| 00:00.05 | TheMoebius2 | is sid the next version after sarge? |
| 00:00.10 | jim | nope |
| 00:00.11 | abrotman | it's gonna end up one big pile of shit |
| 00:00.12 | jim | etch |
| 00:00.13 | abrotman | !etch |
| 00:00.13 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 00:00.27 | nvz | TheMoebius2: no, sid is sid is sid |
| 00:00.38 | jim | TheMoebius2: sid's always going to be unstable for the forseeable future |
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| 00:01.11 | TheMoebius2 | ok heh. can I get xorg on sarge or is that a bad idea |
| 00:01.11 | elirips | j #debian.de |
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| 00:01.28 | mdh | jim: its what happens when you have thousands of developers... some are bound to be looneys ;) |
| 00:01.29 | jim | TheMoebius2: do you really need it? |
| 00:01.37 | kreg | mwilson, well that maybe so. but since i'm not clueless, and live in an area where telco parts and tools are not "utterly widely available", online is a great alternative. |
| 00:01.44 | jim | :P |
| 00:02.09 | jim | TheMoebius2: like, is xfree86 working for you right now? |
| 00:02.45 | jim | or did you go buy a video card without researching compatibility/ |
| 00:02.45 | jim | ? |
| 00:02.47 | jim | :) |
| 00:02.51 | daesotho | heheh |
| 00:02.59 | TheMoebius2 | jim, not really, but I think its more of an installation error than an incompatability. |
| 00:03.00 | daesotho | who uses sarge anyway? |
| 00:03.09 | jim | I do |
| 00:03.12 | Octalthorpe | I use it on servers at work. |
| 00:03.12 | daesotho | i thought sarge was used for servers without video cards |
| 00:03.17 | mdh | I did the xorg upgrade in sid on the weekend... now my second head has a picture about half the size as normal ;) |
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| 00:03.36 | jim | daesotho: it is, and more |
| 00:03.45 | Octalthorpe | mwilson : Give it some more malfunctioning pixels with a ball-peen hammer. |
| 00:03.48 | kreg | mwilson, newegg is good. hard to beat |
| 00:03.58 | kreg | dunno about the lcd thing tho *shrug* |
| 00:04.30 | daesotho | i upgraded painlessly to xorg on sid |
| 00:04.41 | daesotho | hehe |
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| 00:05.02 | alekzandr | abrotman: which conf file, i looked in apache2.conf, httpd.conf, cgi.conf, cgid.conf, and no sign of it |
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| 00:05.35 | nvz | Octalthorpe: I dont think if pixels shatter with the strike of a ball-peen hammer thats considered malfunctioning. its suppose to do that |
| 00:05.38 | mwilson | kreg: newegg is always overpriced discontinued crap |
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| 00:05.40 | jim | daesotho: how do you like the lack of support you get here, given you run sid? :) |
| 00:05.41 | abrotman | alekzandr: should be in apache2 ... i guess try /var/www/cgi-bin |
| 00:06.02 | daesotho | who needs support? |
| 00:06.04 | neiljp | is subscription to packages.qa.debian.org broken? I subscribed to a package (and got/replied to appropriate emails), but its not showing anyone subscribed? |
| 00:06.09 | kreg | have a good day mwilson. |
| 00:06.10 | jim | good :) |
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| 00:06.42 | TheAsp | ouch |
| 00:07.00 | jvw | neiljp: the number of subscribers is only updated once a day |
| 00:07.05 | alekzandr | abrotman that is the wierd part, there is no /var/www/cgi-bin, as there was in apache 1.3 |
| 00:07.09 | daesotho | i come here and ask stupid questions that people tell me i should already have known the answer to |
| 00:07.35 | daesotho | hehe |
| 00:07.41 | mdh | daesotho: like fermat's last equation? |
| 00:07.44 | abrotman | maybe you have to install a mod-cgi ? |
| 00:08.00 | jim | some guy solved that recently |
| 00:08.11 | narg | abrotman: Any idea why fat32 (vfat from mount) doesnt qualify as a FAT format for syslinux? |
| 00:08.18 | daesotho | hehe i wrote a paper about that one for my writing class |
| 00:08.28 | mdh | jim: I don't think he solved it, I think he simply got breakthrough in getting closer to solving it |
| 00:08.29 | abrotman | narg: nope .. not a single one |
| 00:08.45 | neiljp | jvw: latest subscription was 23/07/05 00:37, now 25/07/05 01:03 by my reckoning...but ok, I'm happy to wait if its really working :) |
| 00:08.49 | jim | right, well he used lots of existing work |
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| 00:09.10 | mdh | I'm with abrotman on this utnubu thing... more than half of it is stuff that's in sid |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | tell Wyzard .. not me :) |
| 00:09.42 | narg | /dev/sda: This doesn't look like a FAT filesystem |
| 00:09.43 | narg | /dev/sda: Sector sizes other than 512 not supported |
| 00:09.46 | narg | *mutter* |
| 00:09.53 | narg | Flash drive is beign annoying again :p |
| 00:09.58 | abrotman | narg: sda1 ? |
| 00:10.01 | jvw | neiljp: I could check... package? |
| 00:10.09 | narg | hrm, Ill try that. |
| 00:10.23 | narg | ... Stupid human errors. |
| 00:10.32 | mdh | narg: kill them |
| 00:10.43 | abrotman | !Mhb |
| 00:10.45 | neiljp | jvw: libggi & libgii |
| 00:11.06 | TheAsp | woo |
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| 00:11.07 | TheAsp | its true |
| 00:11.09 | jvw | neiljp: are you debian.libggi@foo? |
| 00:11.21 | narg | I should write a python script to do zap me every time I make a stupid error. |
| 00:11.28 | jvw | neiljp: if so, that person is subscribed |
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| 00:11.31 | mdh | kill -9 `pidof 'stupid humans'` |
| 00:11.33 | alejandro_ | Hi! |
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| 00:11.48 | neiljp | Jvw: nod |
| 00:11.50 | TheAsp | its funny how hyped ggi was, then never materiliazed |
| 00:11.50 | mdh | narg: just hook the keyboard into the mains |
| 00:12.18 | narg | Well, off to test my usb linux installation. brb. |
| 00:12.19 | alekzandr | it appears to be installed, as there is a cgi.conf file in /mods-available |
| 00:12.20 | mdh | TheAsp: they couldn't get the necessary kernel hooks into the kernel |
| 00:12.22 | SerajewelKS | narg, if you're looking for such a script, i can supply one in shell... for i in /dev/[hs]d[a-z]; do dd if=/dev/zero of=$i; done |
| 00:12.37 | TheAsp | mdh: *nod* |
| 00:12.43 | neiljp | mdh: and now all the fb stuff is in the kernel ;| |
| 00:13.01 | mdh | neiljp: fb is necessary on most non-x86 architectures |
| 00:13.06 | TheAsp | it would have been easier if berlin went somewhere |
| 00:13.23 | alejandro_ | I have an eagle-usb modem. I've installed the repository packages, and the drivers, but I have no idea how to login with my isp |
| 00:13.44 | SerajewelKS | alejandro_, apt-get install wvdial |
| 00:14.00 | alejandro_ | uhmmmm |
| 00:14.09 | neiljp | mdh: well, I wasn't around at the time, but I can't see how fb really differs from kgi/ggi - except perhaps in the whole politics of portable drivers :| |
| 00:14.11 | alejandro_ | i think thats the one I was looking for :) |
| 00:14.15 | alejandro_ | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 00:14.19 | SerajewelKS | alejandro_, np |
| 00:14.23 | neiljp | TheAsp: aka fresco |
| 00:14.30 | Sentia | I've installed Firefox and Realplayer10. How do I get realplayer to fire up when I click a link to a .ram file in firefox? |
| 00:14.38 | jim | is there a moreorless centralized entity that accepts logs of these chumps trying to gain root on people's boxes via ssh? |
| 00:15.07 | mwilson | jim: No. What good would one be? |
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| 00:15.12 | mdh | bbiab |
| 00:15.23 | jim | to find the creeps |
| 00:15.36 | tbj | does anyone know of debian packages for amarok 1.3 (beta)? |
| 00:15.36 | encrypted | thanks for the help Marxist (belated) |
| 00:15.39 | mwilson | jim: And do what with them when you've found them? |
| 00:15.47 | jim | prosecute |
| 00:15.55 | jim | send them to jail |
| 00:15.56 | mwilson | Yeah, right. That'll fly. |
| 00:16.10 | jim | one can dream :P |
| 00:16.18 | mwilson | Most of them aren't in the US. What laws are you going to prosecute them under, again? |
| 00:16.27 | jim | no idea |
| 00:16.50 | encrypted | i've had to turn off Korea / China at several points |
| 00:17.14 | jim | I want to deny anything to korea.com |
| 00:17.22 | jim | I'll get around to it... |
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| 00:18.27 | mwilson | I need to do some more work on blocking networks, rather than individual IP's. My list is beginning to get rather long. |
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| 00:19.05 | mdh | neiljp: the non-x86 arches already had fb... they've needed it to boot. it wasn't like it was favoured over kgi/ggi, it was simply already there just that most x86 people were not aware of it |
| 00:20.05 | mdh | neiljp: I think there was simply too few people to keep kgi in sync such that it was useful *and* work on ggi also simultaneously. |
| 00:20.21 | neiljp | mdh: well, aiui, ggi *was* kgi originally, iyswim |
| 00:20.53 | neiljp | the kgi/ggi separation was a good idea, and a bad idea :| |
| 00:21.06 | mdh | neiljp: I was using that nomenclature to differentiate between the kernel space and userspace components |
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| 00:21.38 | neiljp | mdh: sure |
| 00:21.41 | mdh | the kernel was simply a too-rapidly-moving target for the amount of serious developers (and skills) they had |
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| 00:21.51 | reagent | hi |
| 00:22.04 | neiljp | mdh: yeah, 'tis now too... |
| 00:22.07 | mdh | it wasn't a bad idea, had a lot of input from Linus and Keith |
| 00:22.16 | neiljp | mdh: actually favourable? |
| 00:22.31 | mikson | could someone help me with adding ntfs paritions i editen fstab |
| 00:22.45 | mdh | neiljp: yes. |
| 00:22.59 | SerajewelKS | !spelingsmite mikson |
| 00:23.07 | mdh | neiljp: Linus in the "as long as I don't have to maintain it" sense of favourable ;) |
| 00:23.11 | neiljp | mdh: perhaps I should go and reread that huge lkml thread |
| 00:23.20 | neiljp | :) |
| 00:23.38 | mikson | SerajewelKS, i came here to get some help not get flamed for my spelling errors |
| 00:23.42 | mdh | it's been almost 10 years now... sheesh |
| 00:23.47 | mdh | I'm getting old ;) |
| 00:23.57 | neiljp | mdh: well, just normal f/oss principle: if its not on the main stream of work, please provide a patch :) |
| 00:24.00 | mikson | could someone help me with it |
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| 00:24.42 | neiljp | mikson: what docs have you read/searched? |
| 00:24.54 | narg | meh, usb boot didnt work, but screw it. |
| 00:24.59 | SerajewelKS | mikson, 1) you were smited, not flamed. 2) you were helped with this earlier... did you follow their directions? |
| 00:25.08 | reagent | I think I found a little bug in the bridge interface handling. I'm really not sure, but I think that /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/bridge breaks if I have two blocks in /etc/network/interfaces for the same bridge (inet and inet6 for example). The bridge is created twice and that makes things break.. Could anyone confirm that? |
| 00:25.09 | mikson | neiljp, i looked on net on some random forums |
| 00:25.10 | neiljp | mdh: tell me about it...and I've got the grey hairs to prove it... |
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| 00:25.19 | Wyzard | mikson: What exactly do you mean by "adding" an NTFS partition? You mean mounting it so you can access the files, right? |
| 00:25.31 | mikson | yes |
| 00:25.44 | mikson | i edited fstab added the line dev/hda1 etc... |
| 00:25.56 | Wyzard | mikson: OK, and you've added it to your fstab, but you mentioned earlier that the mountpoint directory didn't exist... did you create it? |
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| 00:26.06 | SerajewelKS | mikson, mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/something -t ntfs |
| 00:26.46 | mikson | i get this |
| 00:26.46 | mikson | mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exist |
| 00:26.47 | neiljp | mdh: unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your POV), sdl has tended to steal the thunder from (new) ggi |
| 00:26.56 | Wyzard | mikson: I told you earlier, you have to create the directory |
| 00:27.13 | mikson | mmm what do you mean |
| 00:27.23 | mikson | im real noob in linux as you can see |
| 00:27.43 | redtime | mkdir /mnt/windows :] |
| 00:27.46 | Wyzard | mikson: Do you know what a directory is? |
| 00:27.52 | mikson | yes |
| 00:28.12 | Wyzard | mikson: Then you should understand what it means that /mnt/windows doesn't exist |
| 00:28.39 | Wyzard | mikson: /mnt exists -- that's created when you install Debian -- but there's no directory within it called "windows" |
| 00:28.40 | mdh | neiljp: that's a little disappopinting really since they're two different things. |
| 00:28.52 | SerajewelKS | mikson, you could always do... mkdir /foo; mount `fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep -m 1 NTFS | awk '{print $1}'` /foo -t ntfs |
| 00:29.13 | mikson | ok you just lost me there SerajewelKS |
| 00:29.16 | mikson | >< |
| 00:29.28 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Right, spout semi-advanced shell at someone who just said he doesn't know what it means to create a directory |
| 00:29.30 | Wyzard | :-) |
| 00:29.39 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, at least i'm having fun |
| 00:29.41 | neiljp | mdh: when was last time you looked into it? |
| 00:29.43 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:29.50 | mikson | ha ha |
| 00:30.02 | Wyzard | mikson: Use mkdir to create directories... redtime told you how a moment ago |
| 00:30.10 | mikson | Wyzard, i know whats directory i just dont know the commands to create it and i have windows directory in mnt |
| 00:30.10 | mdh | neiljp: ggi? years ago :( |
| 00:30.32 | SerajewelKS | mikson, type 'ls -d /mnt/windows' and see what it says |
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| 00:30.57 | neiljp | mdh: now at www.ggi-project.org if you ever feel the inclination... |
| 00:31.01 | mikson | /mnt/windows |
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| 00:31.31 | Wyzard | mikson: Does "cd /mnt/windows" work? |
| 00:31.35 | mikson | yes |
| 00:32.00 | Wyzard | mikson: Then it exists and is a directory... you shouldn't be getting an error message saying it doesn't exist |
| 00:32.16 | SerajewelKS | mikson, type 'mount /mnt/windows' |
| 00:32.26 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, i'm thinking he mistyped the mountpoint in fstab |
| 00:32.38 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: I was thinking that too |
| 00:33.04 | albino | For the record, the sarge installer can do root LVM just fine |
| 00:33.13 | mdh | neiljp: I'll have to check it out when I stabilise more |
| 00:33.22 | mikson | ok did it |
| 00:33.33 | SerajewelKS | mikson, what happened? |
| 00:33.35 | mikson | ok works |
| 00:33.35 | Wyzard | albino: A few days ago I set up a sarge system with root-encrypted-LVM :-) |
| 00:33.50 | mikson | thx alot |
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| 00:33.58 | mikson | ill try to add rest of the partitions now |
| 00:34.01 | albino | Wyzard: Cool, what brand of encryption? |
| 00:34.07 | Wyzard | mikson: Now find and fix the typo in your /etc/fstab |
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| 00:34.23 | Wyzard | mikson: You've mounted it manually for now, but if it isn't correct in /etc/fstab, it won't be mounted automatically when you boot |
| 00:34.27 | neiljp | mdh: you mean sid? |
| 00:34.32 | Wyzard | albino: AES, done by cryptsetup |
| 00:34.35 | mikson | yea i found it already instead of /mnt/windows i hade /media/windows |
| 00:34.42 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, has he mounted it manually? |
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| 00:35.04 | albino | Wyzard: I've got to try that sometime. I had been meaning to do LVM for a while and just figured today was the day. The new installer made it unbelievably easy. |
| 00:35.26 | Wyzard | albino: It's pretty easy... just create an additional LV, apt-get install cryptsetup, and follow the howto in /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup |
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| 00:36.18 | SerajewelKS | i love how GNU utilities resemble a swiss army knife |
| 00:36.28 | SerajewelKS | grep, awk, sed... anything is possible |
| 00:36.29 | Wyzard | albino: You'll be using your unencrypted LV to boot the system, cryptsetup the soon-to-be-encrypted root LV, and copy the contents of the unencrypted LV to the encrypted one |
| 00:37.22 | mdh | neiljp: heh. No, me. Work and home are unstable at the moment. |
| 00:37.41 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, do you have to specify the decryption password/key when you boot? |
| 00:37.48 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 00:37.58 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, that's frelling awesome |
| 00:38.10 | neiljp | mdh: ah right, well good luck with that, I'm moving house next w/e too... |
| 00:38.20 | albino | Wyzard: Wow, that sounds pretty simple |
| 00:38.55 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: I tested it yesterday with a fresh sarge install, and "apt-get install cryptsetup" is the only additional installation that's needed, beyond the standard package set that gets installed automatically |
| 00:38.57 | SerajewelKS | right now encfs works for my sensitive documents, but LVM might be cool... if i decide to get rid of windows, that is |
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| 00:39.13 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: You can use cryptsetup even if you don't use LVM |
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| 00:39.36 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: LVM itself has nothing to do with encryption; it's just a more flexible alternative to partitioning |
| 00:39.36 | SerajewelKS | uh... ? |
| 00:39.45 | SerajewelKS | someone pinch me |
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| 00:40.17 | zone17 | Hi, if I use "aptitude dist-upgrade" I get about 100 packages for upgrade, but if I use "apt-get dist-upgrade" I get 0 packages for upgrade, shouldn't that be the same? |
| 00:40.29 | encrypted | huh...brb |
| 00:40.38 | encrypted | good, screen's working |
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| 00:41.19 | Wyzard | zone17: Theoretically yes, but apt-get and aptitude have different dependency-resolution algorithms so their actions differ sometimes |
| 00:41.28 | Wyzard | zone17: Does apt-get say that those ~100 packages are held back? |
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| 00:41.42 | SerajewelKS | oh, i've been meaning to ask... is there a GNU util something like 'cat', but that does bidirectional I/O on the file (probably a TTY), e.g. 'cat afile | bidi-cat /dev/atty > bfile' |
| 00:41.45 | zone17 | Wyzard, no |
| 00:41.51 | albino | Ahh, I thought aptitude used apt-get underneath |
| 00:42.04 | mikson | how can you scan your system to see all partitions |
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| 00:42.14 | mikson | i mean not the mounted ones |
| 00:42.15 | encrypted | SerajewelKS: looked at uucps/cu? |
| 00:42.17 | SerajewelKS | mikson, fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 00:42.21 | zone17 | I was a bit surprised about the amount of packages |
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| 00:42.25 | Wyzard | albino: They both use the basic "apt" code, but the higher-level stuff is different |
| 00:42.27 | albino | mikson: cat /proc/mount |
| 00:42.33 | SerajewelKS | mikson, if you have more than one IDE drive, then fdisk -l /dev/hdb also |
| 00:42.37 | SerajewelKS | encrypted, what's that? |
| 00:42.55 | zone17 | Wyzard, which one is then preferable? |
| 00:42.56 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: You mean reading from a tty and writing to a file? |
| 00:43.11 | Wyzard | zone17: aptitude's dependency-resolution is considered to be better |
| 00:43.28 | zone17 | Wyzard, ok thanks! |
| 00:43.29 | mikson | another question how do you mount extended partitions |
| 00:43.32 | Wyzard | zone17: but if your apt-get is not even seeing that upgrades are available, that sounds like something different |
| 00:43.34 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, i mean piping data into a file (e.g. `cat afile > bfile`) and then reading from bfile without closing it |
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| 00:43.48 | Wyzard | zone17: "apt-get update" and then try it again... see if that makes a difference |
| 00:43.49 | albino | Wyzard: Is dselect different then too? I mean compared to aptitude and apt-get. |
| 00:43.51 | zone17 | Wyzard, it don't see them at all |
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| 00:44.01 | zone17 | Wyzard, I did that |
| 00:44.38 | Wyzard | mikson: the only difference between a primary partition and an extended partition, for the purposes of mounting them in Linux, is that extended partitions have numbers greater than 4 |
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| 00:44.47 | Wyzard | mikson: You can mount them in the same way |
| 00:44.49 | mikson | ok |
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| 00:44.56 | Wyzard | zone17: Weird... dunno |
| 00:45.08 | zone17 | Wyzard, ok thanks :-) |
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| 00:45.37 | Wyzard | albino: dselect is completely independent of apt by itself, but these days it uses apt-get as a backend for retrieving packages |
| 00:45.47 | Wyzard | albino: It used to use its own HTTP and FTP backends |
| 00:45.48 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, i ask because i wrote a fuse filesystem that lets a program open, say, /mnt/tcpfs/yahoo.com:80 and talk to yahoo.com on port 80 like they'd use a TTY |
| 00:46.00 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, and it'd be damn nifty to write some shell scripts around this |
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| 00:46.13 | albino | Wyzard: Interesting, I thought they were doing the same dependency resolution. Good to know. |
| 00:46.18 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, but it's usually not useful to read from a server without writing anything first |
| 00:47.30 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, if it can be done with shell redirectors like > and < that'd be cool too |
| 00:48.08 | mikson | whats the command to del directory |
| 00:48.09 | mikson | deldir |
| 00:48.11 | mikson | ? |
| 00:48.14 | SerajewelKS | bodaggit |
| 00:48.14 | Octalthorpe | rm -rf |
| 00:48.18 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: You could try something like "my-command > /mnt/tcpfs/yahoo.com:80 0<&1" |
| 00:48.20 | SerajewelKS | looks like bash supports this already |
| 00:48.24 | SerajewelKS | mikala, rmdir |
| 00:48.27 | SerajewelKS | mikson, rmdir |
| 00:48.43 | mikson | ok thx |
| 00:48.50 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: I'm not sure if that's the right syntax since I've never used that form of redirection on stdin, but bash provides a way of making one file descriptor be a clone of another |
| 00:48.58 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, bash supports the virtual files '/dev/tcp/host/port' and '/dev/udp/host/port' already =( |
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| 00:49.25 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: "2>&1" makes stderr (FD 2) be a clone of stdout (FD 1)... so either "0>&1" or "0<&1" (I'm guessing) should make stdin be a clone of stdout |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's a bad bad idea :) |
| 00:50.01 | jim | SerajewelKS: so you want like the reverse of tee? |
| 00:50.04 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, i don't think that does what i'm looking for |
| 00:50.05 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: That way you'd open a single connection and access it both ways |
| 00:50.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: Why? |
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| 00:50.21 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm joking .. i'm done . .i don't like it .. but it's not up to me or you :) |
| 00:50.41 | SerajewelKS | jim, i'm not sure... i want something that will open a file for RW, take stdin, dump it into the file, then read from the file to stdout, like cat |
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| 00:50.46 | Wyzard | abrotman: Oh, that... I thought you meant directing stdin and stdout to the same file handle :-) |
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| 00:51.00 | Octalthorpe | SerajewelKS : So you want to duplicate stdout to a file? |
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| 00:51.14 | SerajewelKS | Octalthorpe, ARG... read what i said again |
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| 00:51.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: no |
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| 00:51.24 | jim | SerajewelKS: you should be able to build something like that |
| 00:51.26 | SerajewelKS | here's what i want to do |
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| 00:51.33 | Octalthorpe | SerajewelKS : I'll read it all Iwant, that's what it seems to me that you're asking. |
| 00:51.34 | CiRuX | Hola a todos |
| 00:51.35 | SerajewelKS | cat afile > bfile; cat bfile > cfile |
| 00:51.41 | abrotman | !sp |
| 00:51.42 | dpkg | hmm... sp is troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 00:51.44 | SerajewelKS | except that bfile shouldn't be closed between read and write |
| 00:51.47 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:51.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:52.03 | SerajewelKS | jim, right, but it's probably been done already |
| 00:52.10 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: You can do that part with "tee", but that doesn't handle input |
| 00:52.13 | jim | possibly |
| 00:52.30 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: cat afile | tee bfile > cfile |
| 00:52.34 | SerajewelKS | no, tee does not do what i want at all |
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| 00:52.44 | SerajewelKS | no |
| 00:52.52 | SerajewelKS | tee passes stdin through |
| 00:53.01 | jim | SerajewelKS: is it ok that the bfile be sent thru to cfile first before the stdin of the second cat is? |
| 00:53.02 | Wyzard | I guess I don't understand what you want, then... this is different from what you were talking about earlier with reading and writing the same file at the same time |
| 00:53.02 | SerajewelKS | i want it to write A into B, then read from B into C |
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| 00:53.19 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, no it's not, not really |
| 00:53.25 | Wyzard | oh, I see |
| 00:53.27 | SerajewelKS | okay |
| 00:53.31 | SerajewelKS | one last time |
| 00:53.36 | SerajewelKS | 1) Open B for read/write |
| 00:53.38 | Wyzard | You want to pipe a response from A into the socket, and then read the socket's response into C |
| 00:53.43 | SerajewelKS | 2) dump stdin into B |
| 00:53.47 | SerajewelKS | 3) read B to stdout |
| 00:53.50 | SerajewelKS | 4) close B |
| 00:54.08 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, right, except in this case it's a socket pretending to be a file |
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| 00:54.18 | Wyzard | Netcat should handle that |
| 00:54.20 | jim | would it not be ok to reverse (2) and (3) |
| 00:54.21 | jim | ? |
| 00:54.36 | Wyzard | A | nc remotehost remoteport | C |
| 00:54.38 | SerajewelKS | jim, no |
| 00:54.51 | jim | so you want the stdin first, then the file |
| 00:55.05 | SerajewelKS | jim, yes, because the file happens to be virtual |
| 00:55.09 | SerajewelKS | implemented in fuse |
| 00:55.11 | Wyzard | I don't know a way to do it with your FUSE module though |
| 00:55.20 | SerajewelKS | it's not a real file, it's a file wrapped around a socket |
| 00:55.43 | SerajewelKS | but if the file is opened for write, closed, then opened for read, the socket gets closed |
| 00:55.59 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: afaik you can't do it with the FUSE virtual file, but netcat is the "bidi-cat" you wished for, specifically for TCP sockets |
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| 00:56.14 | jim | > B |
| 00:56.43 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, well it can be done with the file... i've done it from C/C++, i'm just asking if there's a program that will do read/write for me |
| 00:56.50 | SerajewelKS | i don't want to write another 'cat' if it exists |
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| 00:57.14 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Fair enough... it can be done, but I don't know of any standard tools which would do it |
| 00:57.40 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: I doubt any exist since that sort of usage really only makes sense on sockets, not regular files, and netcat already does it for sockets |
| 00:57.49 | jim | somecommand | (cat > B & tail -f B) > C |
| 00:57.55 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard, that's what i thought |
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| 00:57.57 | jim | would that work? |
| 00:58.00 | SerajewelKS | jim, no |
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| 00:58.13 | jim | why not? :) |
| 00:58.17 | SerajewelKS | jim, bash and tail would have separate handles on the file |
| 00:58.27 | SerajewelKS | jim, the file must be opened exactly once, in read/write |
| 00:58.41 | SerajewelKS | if the file is opened twice, two connections to the server will be established |
| 00:58.47 | jim | ok, so you should write it in maybe C |
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| 00:59.25 | jim | but other than the twice opening, that's what you want right? |
| 00:59.26 | SerajewelKS | jim, are there any shell redirections that will open a file for RW? |
| 00:59.39 | jim | >> |
| 00:59.53 | Wyzard | That's append output |
| 00:59.54 | jim | that's not rw, it's append of course |
| 01:00.23 | SerajewelKS | jim, yes, it's the general idea |
| 01:00.25 | jim | I think this is specialized enough that the best way is to write it |
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| 01:01.17 | jim | and not shell |
| 01:01.50 | SerajewelKS | bash supports the <> redirection... read-write... now i just have to figure out how to use it |
| 01:03.14 | mikson | how can you check whcich kernel your running |
| 01:03.17 | mikson | which |
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| 01:03.33 | Ketter | uname -a |
| 01:04.19 | neiljp | SerajewelKS: can think of a usage perhaps where you use one command in a subshell which opens the file and generates some way of accessing it, and then you use it, but when the subshell closes then it closes the file, much like in a destructor in c++? |
| 01:04.43 | neiljp | (where 'you use it' implies a matching program which uses the generated 'handle') |
| 01:04.44 | mikson | how can you check if you'r running gnome or kde |
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| 01:05.40 | Ketter | mikson: what did you do during the install, and running X, sleep ? |
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| 01:07.32 | Leona | hello , am having problems with kppp on debian sarge , i get kppp executable not faund ? |
| 01:07.47 | mikson | lol |
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| 01:08.31 | jim | Leona: oh, is it installed? |
| 01:08.35 | Ketter | Leona: dpkg -l |grep kppp check if it's installed |
| 01:08.41 | Leona | it is |
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| 01:08.45 | Ketter | what jim said ;) |
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| 01:09.23 | jim | ok, maybe it's in the system tools bins (/sbin or /usr/sbin or possible but not likely /usr/local/sbin) |
| 01:09.30 | Leona | it is install and it is also in the menu |
| 01:09.56 | jim | hmm, maybe your path is set weirdly or something's broken |
| 01:10.07 | Kvant | try "dpkg -L kppp | grep bin" to find out where the binary should be |
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| 01:10.36 | jim | you're in good hands; I gotta go :) good luck |
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| 01:11.21 | Leona | ok brb |
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| 01:12.29 | robroc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:17.26 | Octalthorpe | What's this then eh? |
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| 01:18.50 | nvz | its about time.. 8P homeboy is slow today.. I'll cut him some slack for being sunday though. |
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| 01:22.27 | Atula | hm.... how to do bit torrent on debian |
| 01:22.30 | Atula | !torrent |
| 01:22.38 | Atula | !bittorrent |
| 01:22.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bittorrent is a tool for distributing files. It's extremely easy to use - downloads are started by clicking on hyperlinks. Whenever more than one person is downloading at once they send pieces of the file(s) to each other, thus relieving the central server's bandwidth burden. Even with many simultaneous downloads, the upload burden on the central server remains quite small, since each new downloader introduces ... |
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| 01:23.20 | azbaer | how to add non free or contrib packages to my debian sarge installtion |
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| 01:23.38 | Atula | um, just add it to the end of each line |
| 01:23.44 | daesotho | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:23.48 | daesotho | or use apt-source |
| 01:24.01 | daesotho | um |
| 01:24.04 | daesotho | apt-setup |
| 01:24.12 | Atula | well... just add contrib to the end of the lines.... |
| 01:24.21 | neiljp | Atula: 'do' bt? |
| 01:24.29 | daesotho | yea, apt-get install apt-setup and use apt-setup to setup your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:24.37 | daesotho | if you don't want to edit it by hand |
| 01:24.44 | Atula | neiljp: what you mean? |
| 01:24.47 | azbaer | should i usw non us mirror? |
| 01:25.11 | Atula | azbaer: well, you should stick with mirrors closer to you |
| 01:25.14 | neiljp | Atula: what do you mean by 'doing' bit-torrent on debian? |
| 01:25.17 | daesotho | non-us no longer exists |
| 01:25.20 | daesotho | hehe |
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| 01:25.45 | Atula | neiljp: oh, I installed bittornado a while ago, but couldn't get it to work... I kind of want to get it working... to download some anime.... lemme see if it works.... |
| 01:25.46 | Internat | stupid question, does debian store the old .deb files when say a new version comes out? |
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| 01:26.00 | neiljp | Atula: works fine here |
| 01:26.16 | Atula | neiljp: just apt-get and that's it? |
| 01:26.38 | maher | Internat: old deb files are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives - apt usually doesn't keep them aroudn very long |
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| 01:27.02 | Internat | ok, do .debs get used after they are installed from, so could i safely remove them all if i wanted to? |
| 01:27.07 | simonrvn | man apt-get; /autoclean /clean |
| 01:27.12 | maher | Internat: you can safely remove them |
| 01:27.15 | neiljp | Atula: well, I click links in firefox, and it opens /usr/bin/btdownloadgui |
| 01:27.35 | neiljp | Atula: need to open hole(s) in your firewall to do uploads of course |
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| 01:27.47 | Internat | is there a command to make apt or dpkg remove them? |
| 01:28.39 | neiljp | Internat: check /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
| 01:28.58 | neiljp | Internat: or use the facility in aptitude or whatever to clean the cache of downloaded debs |
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| 01:31.56 | azbaer | Thanks, found out I was FAT figuring the source.list entry |
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| 01:32.34 | abrotman | InterLNK: apt-get clean |
| 01:32.41 | Internat | ah |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | Internat: but only from /var/cache/apt/archives .. so if you're using them off the filesystem .. no |
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| 01:37.06 | Sentia | yea got sound working, any suggestions on what would be the coolest media player, perhaps like winamp? |
| 01:37.33 | nvz | Sentia: xmms is pretty close to winamp. its about the same as winamp 2.x |
| 01:38.01 | Sentia | is there anything newer? |
| 01:38.32 | nvz | Sentia: are you looking for any specific features or just the player with the highest version number? |
| 01:38.33 | chealer | xmms is known as a winamp clone. amarok is good at replacing WMP |
| 01:38.47 | nvz | yeah I was going to suggest amarok next |
| 01:38.56 | nvz | but I am not going to play 20 suggestions here |
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| 01:41.43 | nvz | there is a remote for xmms called kjoful or something that has winamp-modern-like skins |
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| 01:42.10 | nvz | you can hide the xmms main window, and just use that instead to control xmms |
| 01:42.35 | TecnoVM64 | hello, there is a question, can i use a different partition for the /etc, if i can, how can i do it? |
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| 01:43.17 | jimmybgood | TecnoVM64: why do you want to do it? |
| 01:43.41 | TecnoVM64 | the main partition has just 200mb free |
| 01:43.44 | Sentia | sorry was stuck in scrollz help, I'll take a look at amarok. Thank you |
| 01:44.18 | jimmybgood | TecnoVM64: problem is, kernel mounts root partition and expects info in /etc to be there |
| 01:44.32 | abrotman | TecnoVM64: what else is on / ? |
| 01:45.00 | abrotman | usually ... /etc/ is pretty small .. so moving it wouldn't get you much space |
| 01:45.01 | Internat | ur pobably better off moving /home or /var off somewhere else |
| 01:45.06 | abrotman | !ur |
| 01:45.06 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:45.10 | Internat | sorry |
| 01:45.21 | TecnoVM64 | oh, ok |
| 01:45.28 | TecnoVM64 | i'll do it with /var then |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | TecnoVM64: what else is on / ? |
| 01:45.41 | Internat | my bad, ill get used to typing properly in here one of these days, i can admit im lazy :) |
| 01:45.43 | abrotman | how big will your new partition be ? |
| 01:45.48 | TecnoVM64 | 5gb |
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| 01:46.10 | abrotman | oh .. that should be enough :) |
| 01:46.28 | TecnoVM64 | thanks :) |
| 01:46.37 | TecnoVM64 | i'll try to move /var then |
| 01:46.49 | abrotman | or you could try to move /usr ... |
| 01:47.04 | jimmybgood | and/or /home |
| 01:47.21 | TecnoVM64 | i did it with home right now, i think i'll have to move /var or /usr |
| 01:47.27 | TecnoVM64 | which one is bigger? |
| 01:47.43 | jimmybgood | usually /usr |
| 01:48.15 | simonrvn | usr tends to be bigger, unless you have a lot in /var/lib, but /var is usually smaller anyway |
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| 01:48.36 | TecnoVM64 | ok |
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| 01:48.54 | ovikoe | Hi all |
| 01:48.58 | ovikoe | Hi, I use exim, but when I send some mail under my network via my smpt server (exim) I've got this message for example |
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| 01:49.02 | ovikoe | : host smtp.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]: 550 5.0.0 UCE/SPAM IS NOT ACCEPTED HERE |
| 01:49.05 | ovikoe | what's wrong? |
| 01:49.12 | abrotman | ovikoe: you've been blacklisted |
| 01:49.17 | mikson | how to boot linux with new kernel |
| 01:49.20 | simonrvn | it's not accepting spam... |
| 01:49.20 | ovikoe | abrotman: why? |
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| 01:49.24 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | ovikoe: dunno .. not my mailserver |
| 01:49.45 | mikson | how to boot linux with new kernel |
| 01:49.58 | simonrvn | @tell mikson -about repeat |
| 01:50.09 | ovikoe | abrotman: for mailing under my network I need to use relay or not? |
| 01:50.11 | Octalthorpe | mikson : That's not actually a question, you know. |
| 01:50.45 | simonrvn | ovikoe: no, that'll worsen the situation |
| 01:50.59 | mikson | my bad i didnt wanted to say it again it just happened by mistake |
| 01:51.25 | simonrvn | ovikoe: your isp is rather notorious for allowing spam to exist on / coming from its network |
| 01:51.30 | Octalthorpe | mikson : Anyway, compile the kernel, put the image (and possibly the ramdisk image) in the appropriate place, update your bootloader, and reboot. |
| 01:51.33 | simonrvn | np |
| 01:51.52 | abrotman | ovikoe: i don't know .. you need to find out why oyu're blacklisted |
| 01:52.16 | ovikoe | I've got these line in exim.conf |
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| 01:52.20 | ovikoe | domainlist local_domains = @ |
| 01:52.21 | ovikoe | domainlist relay_to_domains = *.unixsaurio.org |
| 01:52.26 | ovikoe | hostlist relay_from_hosts = 127.0.0.1 : 172.16.0.0/16 |
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| 01:52.29 | ovikoe | are ok? |
| 01:52.32 | simonrvn | ovikoe: if this is dialup, you're going to have a hard time |
| 01:52.37 | ovikoe | my domain is unixsaurio.org |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | ovikoe: DON"T PASTE |
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| 01:52.52 | ovikoe | abrotman: ok |
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| 01:52.53 | Mark | Hey, can anyone recommend to me a good Linux compatable webcam? |
| 01:52.56 | ovikoe | sorry |
| 01:52.57 | simonrvn | you don't need to relay to yourself |
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| 01:52.59 | abrotman | !webcam |
| 01:53.07 | Mark | ?? |
| 01:53.16 | Mark | sry, i'm an IRC newbie |
| 01:53.18 | FlimFlamMan | fuzzy question for you - is etch more like sarge or sid? |
| 01:53.19 | abrotman | Mark: sometimes he has suggestions |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: etch is like etch |
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| 01:53.48 | zone17 | Hi, I know this is a stupid question proberly, but if I download the source of mozilla-firefox via apt, where does the source go exactly? |
| 01:53.49 | FlimFlamMan | that wasn't one of the multiple choice options :-) |
| 01:54.13 | Mark | abrotman, i dont get what u mean |
| 01:54.20 | simonrvn | zone17: how did you download it? |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:54.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: it's not like sarge or sid .. it's etch |
| 01:54.39 | zone17 | simonrvn, apt-get source mozilla-firefox |
| 01:54.45 | ovikoe | simonrvn: then, if I want to send mail from my smtp server (exim) what is the way froma some pc on my network? I use POP3 and on my smtp server I put the ip from exim server |
| 01:54.47 | simonrvn | FlimFlamMan: E) non of the above |
| 01:54.53 | FlimFlamMan | abrotman, which version of gnome does it use |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | 2.8 last i checked |
| 01:55.14 | abrotman | ok . fine |
| 01:55.17 | abrotman | don't fucking wait |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | fucking dipshit |
| 01:55.24 | simonrvn | zone17: btw, wait a few days (~2-3) and it'll be updated. no need to build it yourself. in . |
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| 01:55.56 | simonrvn | ovikoe: the smtp doesn't do pop3 |
| 01:55.57 | zone17 | simonrvn, I know :-) I just wanted to look at the source. |
| 01:56.21 | ovikoe | simonrvn: I know |
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| 01:56.36 | Mark | !webcam |
| 01:56.46 | Mark | *man i'm confused* |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | Mark: no .. seems noone here knows .. maybe try ##linux |
| 01:56.51 | abrotman | !what are you |
| 01:56.52 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:56.58 | zebalin | Need grep help. I want to display all lines in a file that are NOT commented with a # : grep ??????? /etc/cups/cups.conf Anyone know the ??? |
| 01:57.00 | ovikoe | simonrvn: But my smtp server can send mail without using a local mta? |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | zebalin: man grep |
| 01:57.28 | simonrvn | ovikoe: mta == mail-transport-agent |
| 01:57.34 | ovikoe | yes |
| 01:57.37 | simonrvn | i.e., smtpd |
| 01:57.38 | Octalthorpe | zebalin : grep -v ^# <file> |
| 01:57.40 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start an mta war |
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| 01:57.41 | dpkg | sendmail rulez |
| 01:57.44 | FieldySnuts | oh hell no |
| 01:57.47 | ovikoe | I use exim |
| 01:58.01 | Octalthorpe | ~start a holy war |
| 01:58.02 | apt | Balrogs have wings! |
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| 01:58.15 | simonrvn | be clear on what you want, and maybe #exim can help you |
| 01:58.16 | ovikoe | simonrvn: But, I can use the smpt from my server using a some PC under my network? |
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| 01:58.47 | ovikoe | like, smtp server = my ip from kmail |
| 01:58.49 | mikson | how to update bootloader |
| 01:58.54 | mikson | >< |
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| 01:59.42 | abrotman | which bootloader ? |
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| 02:01.21 | zebalin | Octalthorpe: That worked great. is there a way to not see blank lines as well? |
| 02:01.38 | Octalthorpe | grep -v ^(#|\$) <file> maybe. |
| 02:02.02 | simonrvn | ovikoe: um, you have to resolve the issue of why you were blacklisted, 'cause no remote server will accept from you directly while you're still on that list. and if you were put on that list for a valid reason, there's no way you're getting off |
| 02:02.24 | simonrvn | AFFK |
| 02:02.29 | ovikoe | thanks :( |
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| 02:04.21 | zebalin | Octalthorpe: got error: root@kano1:/home/al# grep -v ^(#|\$) /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 02:04.21 | zebalin | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 02:04.50 | Octalthorpe | Er, yeah. |
| 02:04.58 | Octalthorpe | grep -v "^(#|$)" |
| 02:05.02 | useruser | zebalin: grep -v '^ *#* *$' |
| 02:05.17 | Octalthorpe | Yeah, that's probably a better solution. |
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| 02:05.28 | Octalthorpe | Although you should use [[:space:]] if you're going to go that far. |
| 02:05.36 | useruser | Octalthorpe: i think you want egrep above |
| 02:05.39 | Octalthorpe | useruser : oh oh, that doesn't work. |
| 02:05.47 | Octalthorpe | useruser : Because that doesn't match #foo |
| 02:05.55 | useruser | Octalthorpe: true |
| 02:05.59 | useruser | zebalin: grep -v '^ *#*.*$' |
| 02:06.09 | Octalthorpe | No, that matches everything. |
| 02:06.11 | useruser | yes :) |
| 02:06.35 | useruser | zebalin: grep -v '^\( *#\)' |
| 02:06.43 | useruser | or something like that... |
| 02:06.56 | useruser | grep -v '^ *#' |
| 02:07.06 | useruser | that's my last word on the subject :P |
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| 02:07.08 | Octalthorpe | That doesn't match blank lines. |
| 02:07.14 | useruser | arse |
| 02:07.24 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 02:07.31 | useruser | grep -v '^ *\(#\|$\)' |
| 02:07.45 | Octalthorpe | I don't think you need the \ if it's in quotes. |
| 02:07.54 | useruser | Octalthorpe: i think you do unless you use egrep |
| 02:08.33 | Octalthorpe | Fair enough. |
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| 02:09.24 | zebalin | useruser: grep -v '^ *\(#\|$\)' worked great. Thanks a bunch. And to you too Octalthorpe. You helped me a lot. |
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| 02:13.57 | Atula | neiljp: yeah, its good! bittorrent... @60kbps/s it's good |
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| 02:20.54 | WhildGurl | My machine is really slow.... doing a ps -ax I see a ton of "./elflbl -l /tmp/_elf_lib" What is that? |
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| 02:22.42 | Internat | i bevlieve its an exploit |
| 02:22.57 | sadfgg | is there any tool that is equivalent to Filemon for Windows? |
| 02:23.02 | nerdy2 | it would appear to be an exploit of a kernel vulnerability http://www.frsirt.com/exploits/20050107.elflbl.c.php |
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| 02:23.58 | WhildGurl | so somebody has root on it? |
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| 02:24.53 | WhildGurl | It's a local exploit... nobody has access to the machine |
| 02:24.53 | sadfgg | is there any file scanner for Linux (like Filemon for Windows)? |
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| 02:26.25 | abrotman | !fam |
| 02:26.26 | dpkg | well, fam is a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
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| 02:31.55 | |ryan| | failed to create instance of plugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::Greylisting: Can't locate object method "new" via package "Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::Greylisting" at (eval 38) line 1. |
| 02:32.15 | |ryan| | I'm getting that from spamassassin when I enable the sa-exim greylisting plugin in sarge. |
| 02:32.23 | |ryan| | anyone know how to fix it? |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | bts ? |
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| 02:33.42 | sadfgg | is there any file scanner for Linux (like Filemon for Windows)? |
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| 02:34.04 | Schiz0 | Anyone know why every single time I run apt-get update it downloads updates? Even if I just updated it? It's like it's not saving the updates in the first place... |
| 02:34.17 | abrotman | !fam |
| 02:34.17 | dpkg | fam is probably a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | sadfgg: ^ |
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| 02:35.01 | ke6isf | Schiz0: From Purdue? |
| 02:35.10 | Schiz0 | Huh? |
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| 02:35.22 | Schiz0 | naw not from there, from ftp.us.debian.org and nerim.net |
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| 02:36.06 | ke6isf | Does the same thing on purdue.edu. I can run it five times in as many minutes, and it pulls fresh files off. |
| 02:36.10 | |ryan| | abrotman: I don't see anything in bts, and another bug report indicates that it's working for someone |
| 02:36.27 | Schiz0 | Yeah I know. |
| 02:36.40 | sgeigerbot | Is there a software way to use software to override the effect of pushing the mute button above the F5 key on a thinkpad? If that button is pressed, no amount of chaning settings in aumix will allow the computer to play a sound. tpb doesn't seem to work ("MIXER ON" in /etc/tpbrc doesn't do the trick.) *SHOULD* I be able to override the mute button? |
| 02:37.50 | metaperl | Hmmm, I dont think I should've been in KDE while doing apt-build --reinstall install kdelibs |
| 02:38.00 | Schiz0 | Haha. |
| 02:38.04 | metaperl | segmentation gault at the end of the operation |
| 02:38.29 | ke6isf | metaperl: Time for another reinstall? =^^= |
| 02:38.40 | metaperl | I dont know yet |
| 02:38.46 | abrotman | metaperl: duh :) |
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| 02:44.29 | Schiz0 | Do you need exim to run a mysql server? It's on the list of dependencies but when I apt-cache show mysql-server-4.1 it doesn't show that it's dependant on it. And I really don't wannta be running exim anyway. |
| 02:44.38 | stew | sgeigerbot: i don't believe its possible |
| 02:44.50 | stew | unless you have a g series, which has no hardware mixer in the first place |
| 02:45.39 | WhildGurl | anyone heard of 'r0nin' ? |
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| 02:49.11 | nvz | Schiz0: you probably want an MTA of some kind |
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| 02:50.10 | omckinley | hiya all, my sarge installation is having problems seeing more than 1 gig of memory. I've got 2 gigs installed in the server at the moment. Is sarge supposed to be able to support 2 gigs of memory out of the box? |
| 02:50.33 | bob2 | it has nothign to do with sarge |
| 02:50.43 | Schiz0 | nvz- why? I wouldn't use it for anything |
| 02:50.43 | bob2 | the linux kernel can only use 896MB of ram by default |
| 02:50.47 | bob2 | (n i386) |
| 02:50.49 | omckinley | well sarge's kernel |
| 02:50.53 | bob2 | if you want more, you need to enable HIGHMEM |
| 02:51.02 | bob2 | which is enabled by default in the sarge -686 kernels |
| 02:51.12 | omckinley | ah i see! |
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| 02:51.25 | omckinley | thanks bob2 :) |
| 02:51.35 | bob2 | (I guess on the assumption that old pc's won't have that much ram) |
| 02:51.41 | bob2 | note that it is a small performance hit |
| 02:51.44 | bob2 | np |
| 02:51.48 | nvz | Schiz0: its just that the package system always wants to have that, its used if for nothing else, local delivery of logs and such |
| 02:51.51 | litage | i added this entry to /etc/sudoers: "nick ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown" but when i try to shutdown (as user nick), it says i have to be root. any suggestions? |
| 02:52.01 | omckinley | that's ok...small performance hit is better than having the other whole gig wasted |
| 02:52.06 | bob2 | litage: as in you did 'sudo shutdown'? |
| 02:52.09 | bob2 | yeah |
| 02:52.28 | litage | bob2: hahahahah my bad =P thanks |
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| 02:54.00 | mrgenixus | does nayone know how to set up ethernet bridging? |
| 02:54.11 | Cyis | anyone think of a good utility for designing database entity relationship schemas... Would rather not have to use M$ Access for this purpose |
| 02:54.21 | bob2 | dia's ok |
| 02:54.29 | findme | erwin rox |
| 02:54.54 | findme | but non free |
| 02:55.29 | Schiz0 | nvz- Do I have to run it? I really don't care much about logs and whatnot, I wannta run a minimal system |
| 02:55.41 | Cyis | how non-free? I'm not opposed to paying for utilities that rox for the job they're supposed to do... had to pay for the plug-in I'm using for the IDE |
| 02:56.01 | bob2 | dia2sql is kinda pimp |
| 02:56.19 | findme | erwin is world leader if you ask me |
| 02:56.58 | Cyis | I just need to work on the entity relationships to design the schema... I'll then use the IDE's function to have the application map that schema to actual SQL |
| 02:57.05 | findme | also as suggested by bob2 -> http://freshmeat.net/projects/dia2sql-stl/ |
| 02:57.11 | Cyis | findme: URL? |
| 02:57.51 | bob2 | (dia2sql is in Debian, too) |
| 02:58.35 | findme | http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Product.asp?ID=260 |
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| 02:58.45 | findme | it went to canada i don't know why :-) |
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| 03:00.06 | nvz | Schiz0: I am sure if you really wanted you could I dont know never tried it |
| 03:00.18 | Schiz0 | hm |
| 03:00.19 | Schiz0 | ok |
| 03:00.19 | Schiz0 | yhsnkd. |
| 03:00.23 | Schiz0 | thanks* |
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| 03:03.32 | Cyis | yeah.. erwin is a bit out of my current budget for ER software :) |
| 03:04.07 | findme | Cyis, then dia is what you want |
| 03:04.12 | Cyis | not to mention the supported platform :) |
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| 03:04.16 | litage | i changed "ALL" to "asterisk-dev1": "nick asterisk-dev1=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown" why does it now say "nick is not allowed to run sudo on localhost."? |
| 03:04.37 | bob2 | because it thinks your hostname is localhost |
| 03:04.52 | ifup | HELP.. I just put linux on a compaq s4000v with a 2.2 ghz cpu and everytime linux boots the system fan and the cpu fan stop running??? is this normal?? |
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| 03:06.29 | findme | ifup, nope it is not normal |
| 03:06.34 | ifup | let me rephrase I put debian sid on it running 2.6.8-2-686-smp then tried 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:06.34 | findme | afaik |
| 03:07.07 | alekzandr | i just got a new hard drive installed my colocated server, and they have partitioned it oncorrectly, /var is in a 3gb partition, i need to move its contents to / and remove the /var, can someone remind me how to do that? |
| 03:07.10 | litage | bob2: `hostname` and `cat /etc/hostname` both return "asterisk-dev1" though |
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| 03:07.39 | Cyis | ifup: haven't had that kinda problem with any of my machines before ... doesn't sound normal... |
| 03:07.39 | ifup | if I let the thing sit at the bios the fans will continue to run the fans once the kernel fires up they stop |
| 03:08.07 | Cyis | I have seen that my system runs cooler temp wise with Linux than say *cough*Micro$haft*cough* |
| 03:08.35 | bob2 | alekzandr: umount it, mount it elsewhere, copy files to /var (whici is now on /) |
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| 03:09.55 | alekzandr | thanks bob2 it has been a long night rebuilding this server, and i am very tired |
| 03:10.06 | TheMoebius2 | how do I tell debian to not go into X at boot? |
| 03:10.15 | ifup | are there any tools to check the system stats for temp etc.? |
| 03:10.17 | bob2 | !+disable dm |
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| 03:10.25 | bob2 | ifup: yes, but they're a pain in the arse |
| 03:10.33 | bob2 | TheMoebius2: remove xdm or whatever from one of your runlevels |
| 03:10.36 | lildude | i got ibm think pad |
| 03:10.49 | lildude | cant get resolition to work propely and f lock |
| 03:11.03 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure thinkpads don't have f-lock |
| 03:11.04 | deadcat | Cyis: linuxpicnic.org/rsvp |
| 03:11.16 | lildude | itt does |
| 03:11.43 | brett | where can I get more info on installing xorg on unstable? |
| 03:11.50 | mdh | !beer bob2 |
| 03:12.14 | bob2 | it has a fn key, which is something different |
| 03:12.17 | mdh | !xorg |
| 03:12.17 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 03:12.32 | ifup | lildude: I have a thinkpad and the f-lock is set in the bios I forget exactly I think you hold the shift key for a few secs to enable it. |
| 03:13.37 | Cyis | deadcat: thanx... if you're in contact with whomever was gonna handle the booth pass my name on... I'm taking 2 days off from work and would help staff it for atleast one of them |
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| 03:13.58 | abrotman | wtf is flock ? |
| 03:14.05 | findme | file lock |
| 03:14.05 | abrotman | i know what flock() is :) |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | i meant the bob2 f lock |
| 03:15.07 | deadcat | Cyis: oh. dondelecaro and mtnman will be the guys you want to contact. |
| 03:15.41 | deadcat | Cyis: let me see if i can find the link |
| 03:17.54 | deadcat | Cyis: http://wiki.debian.net/?lwe2005 i will probably be there on tues for maybe an hour. but i am too lazy to help (= |
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| 03:18.26 | concept10 | Is there a way to 'undo' apt-get upgrades or downgrade in case of problems |
| 03:18.36 | deadcat | Cyis: that rsvp is for the picnic on the same week (sunday) in sunnyvale. |
| 03:18.39 | BrianAnthony | How can I get an iso of the experimental release of Debian |
| 03:18.49 | findme | how about picnic in colorado? |
| 03:18.51 | findme | :-) |
| 03:18.53 | BrianAnthony | I only see iso's for stable and testing |
| 03:18.54 | bob2 | concept10: no |
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| 03:19.08 | bob2 | BrianAnthony: no |
| 03:19.16 | lildude | and flox box resalution wont set up |
| 03:19.17 | bob2 | experimental isn't even a fulldistribution |
| 03:19.18 | Cyis | yeah... fiance and I just rsvp'd for the picnic |
| 03:19.34 | deadcat | cool |
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| 03:19.48 | litage | what's an NIS/NIS+ server? |
| 03:20.03 | deadcat | Cyis: the logo is ugly though. )=... i emailed them my 2 cents HAHAHHA |
| 03:20.10 | BrianAnthony | So I would have to install Sarge to get Sid packages? |
| 03:20.14 | deadcat | litage: network information server |
| 03:20.22 | concept10 | So how often do you guys update your servers? |
| 03:20.28 | BrianAnthony | I want to play arround with the new Xorg in Sid |
| 03:20.29 | litage | deadcat: what exactly is an NIS? |
| 03:20.39 | bob2 | BrianAnthony: sid is unstable, not experimental |
| 03:20.40 | litage | deadcat: ie: what does the NIS do? |
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| 03:20.46 | bob2 | concept10: you use staging servers to test upgrades |
| 03:20.52 | bob2 | or be very very careful |
| 03:20.56 | bob2 | or use lvm snapshots |
| 03:20.58 | bob2 | or backups |
| 03:21.27 | deadcat | litage: you know ldap? the windows thing that allows you to login on any lan machine? |
| 03:21.38 | litage | deadcat: sort of |
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| 03:21.52 | mdh | ldap isn't a windows thing |
| 03:21.59 | Cyis | deadcat: my only conflict during LWE is class on Tuesday :) |
| 03:22.04 | BrianAnthony | bob2: I sitll son't see unstable. I only see testing and stable |
| 03:22.11 | mdh | active directory is a windows thing, which is basically ldap with kerberos auth done badly |
| 03:22.25 | concept10 | bob2, Oh, okay. So you mirror your critical servers and apply updates to the staging sever? |
| 03:22.35 | deadcat | Cyis: what class? where? |
| 03:22.42 | deadcat | litage: thats what it is.. |
| 03:22.46 | deadcat | !tell litage about NIS |
| 03:22.50 | bob2 | BrianAnthony: yes, there are no cds for either |
| 03:23.04 | Cyis | I'm attending UoP's San Jose campus working on my BSIT degree... I'll be in Database Concepts I |
| 03:23.11 | BrianAnthony | bob2: is that also not a complete operating system? |
| 03:23.19 | litage | thanks deadcat |
| 03:23.58 | deadcat | Cyis: ah.. my friend has class (final) on wed so i dont know if hes gonna be there with me on tue. else i will go with him again on thur. but i will be there on tue for sure. |
| 03:25.02 | deadcat | ok. no more debian.org repo in my sources.list, only the berkeley mirror. that sound ok to you guys? |
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| 03:29.11 | litage | does debian have an equivalent to mandrake/redhat's 'chkconfig' program? |
| 03:29.26 | deadcat | litage: update-rc.d |
| 03:29.56 | litage | deadcat: that doesn't list what starts on which runlevel though, does it? |
| 03:30.08 | [ | anyone know what it means when the name servers on a domain are changed to {ns1,ns2}.badwhoisshutdown.com ? |
| 03:30.08 | FieldySnuts | !topicbadger Phated |
| 03:30.11 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that Phated didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 03:30.12 | deadcat | litage: you can use my list-rc.d script |
| 03:30.28 | litage | deadcat: may i see it please? |
| 03:30.29 | Cyis | deadcat: I was gonna take Tues & Wed off... I just have to be in San Jose by 6pm so I was gonna do my key signing and exhibit hopping Tuesday and then help man the booth Wed... |
| 03:30.30 | deadcat | litage: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/bin/list-rc.d |
| 03:30.34 | litage | thanks |
| 03:30.54 | deadcat | Cyis: cool. |
| 03:31.38 | Cyis | I'd take the Mon & Thur off as well... but a) work would tend to frown on it, b) I need the extra days for my wedding in November |
| 03:31.54 | findme | Cyis, congratulations.. |
| 03:32.04 | deadcat | Cyis: hehe. |
| 03:32.05 | Cyis | I miss'd LWE last year, had a blast in '03... made sure I had time scheduled for this year |
| 03:32.23 | deadcat | 03 was good. my first year |
| 03:32.30 | lildude | bye |
| 03:32.49 | Cyis | '03 I left the LJ Hospitality room at the end of the show with a box of booze ;) |
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| 03:33.07 | deadcat | hahha |
| 03:33.11 | Cyis | was a very enjoyable CalTrain ride south |
| 03:33.59 | WhildGurl | anyone heard of 'r0nin' ? |
| 03:34.17 | deadcat | WhildGurl: no |
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| 03:34.58 | narg | What runlevel is X-less? |
| 03:35.07 | deadcat | !tell narg about nodm |
| 03:35.17 | Cyis | I just need to get some biz cards printed up... time to commandeer the HP Color Laserjet at work this week :) |
| 03:35.31 | deadcat | Cyis: what do you do? |
| 03:35.42 | narg | Ok, how would you just get rid of X until you want to start it again? |
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| 03:35.56 | alekzandr | the new server is partitioned wrong, and i need to move /var/www, if i make /var/www a link to elsewhere will that cause me problems in apache? |
| 03:35.59 | aaronlin | I am trying to start XFree86, but it cannot find my mouse because the configuration is messed up. Will the command XFree86 -pointer /dev/input/tty0 work? (I'm not too sure how devices work). I think my mouse is connected to a serial port, and later has a special adapter(?) that helps convert it to USB. |
| 03:36.14 | deadcat | narg: /etc/init.d/<dm you using> stop |
| 03:36.21 | narg | thanks :) |
| 03:36.30 | Cyis | deadcat: what do you mean? for employment? or for the biz cards? |
| 03:36.37 | deadcat | biz card |
| 03:37.12 | maher | alekzandr: no |
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| 03:37.36 | Cyis | deadcat: LaTeX doc ran through pdflatex |
| 03:37.42 | alekzandr | maher: thanks |
| 03:38.32 | NeoXan | sup my friends |
| 03:38.33 | maher | aaronlin: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 03:39.10 | aaronlin | maher: hmm...let me try it now |
| 03:39.21 | aaronlin | I'm not too familiar with debian yet... |
| 03:39.21 | Cyis | I guess I could generate the same with Java using XML-FO templates with FOP module... but haven't bothered to try that yet |
| 03:39.49 | aaronlin | maher: Good. Back to the interactive setup thing. |
| 03:40.13 | deadcat | Cyis: haha. i consider myself a consultant as well, but i never have any clients (=. i am in pittsburg here also. |
| 03:40.24 | aaronlin | maher: What type of Xserver driver should I choose? If I'm not mistaken, ATI was the default before. |
| 03:40.36 | Cyis | deadcat: you're in pittsburg, ca as well? |
| 03:40.46 | NeoXan | you guys know scummvm? |
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| 03:41.00 | deadcat | Cyis: ya. i used to live in sf. now in contra costa |
| 03:41.15 | NeoXan | you guys know scummvm? |
| 03:41.17 | maher | aaronlin: choose the one that corresponds to you graphics chipset |
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| 03:41.27 | Cyis | kewl... might have to have you over for beer and BBQ :) drive the fiance crazy talking geek :) |
| 03:41.31 | NeoXan | you guys know scummvm? |
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| 03:41.34 | Area-51 | anyone know which package has the mono.pc file? ive installed mono-devel but still no luck (debian testing) |
| 03:41.36 | deadcat | Cyis: and you're a debian developer (= wow hehe. |
| 03:41.38 | NeoXan | you guys know scummvm? |
| 03:41.44 | pablum | NeoXan: stfu |
| 03:41.48 | NeoXan | lol |
| 03:41.54 | deadcat | Cyis: hell ya for the bbq. i dont drink (= |
| 03:42.20 | Cyis | back in college I did my best programming while plow'd |
| 03:42.29 | deadcat | damn. |
| 03:42.39 | Cyis | said thing was I could write code that was legible and operated properly while plow'd |
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| 03:42.52 | ubuntu | anyone know of any linux programs that can write to ntfs? |
| 03:43.03 | deadcat | ubuntu: try #ubuntu |
| 03:43.03 | Area-51 | so like who told dpkg to msg me? i hope it didnt do it by itself because thats kinda creepy :P |
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| 03:43.36 | aaronlin | maher: My mouse is a PS/2 Mouse with 6 connector pins |
| 03:43.36 | Cyis | my learning team from class met up here for our meeting last weekend and did a BBQ+beer+coding meeting... clear'd several six packs between noon and 11pm while working on it |
| 03:43.41 | maher | Area-51: i did - doesn't dpkg tell you who did that? |
| 03:43.43 | deadcat | Area-51: dpkg is hitting on you. |
| 03:43.46 | aaronlin | Which mouse port should I choose? |
| 03:43.52 | Cyis | I'm waiting on the instructor to post the grades but expecting an A |
| 03:43.56 | Area-51 | maher: no it didnt say, but thanks :) |
| 03:44.01 | brett | leave #debian |
| 03:44.03 | Area-51 | deadcat: that would be more than im getting now :( |
| 03:44.04 | deadcat | Cyis: damn nice (= |
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| 03:44.10 | maher | aaronlin: the one corresponding to your mouse - do you know which one it is? |
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| 03:44.25 | deadcat | !fuck Area-51 |
| 03:44.27 | aaronlin | Sorry, I know almost nothing about devices. |
| 03:44.32 | deadcat | Area-51: see. dpkg likes you |
| 03:44.36 | Cyis | deadcat: right now I'm working on a small personal Java webapp project relating to my consulting' |
| 03:44.41 | NeoXan | !fuck deadcat |
| 03:45.06 | deadcat | Cyis: so what do you do for debian? packaging? coding? |
| 03:45.11 | Area-51 | so are Hitachi vibrators better than most other ones? wait... does Hitachi actually make vibrators? |
| 03:45.19 | maher | aaronlin: try cat /dev/ttyS0 and waggle the mouse - if its the right one you'll see stuff on the screen |
| 03:45.28 | deadcat | Area-51: ya. more speed and more durable. |
| 03:45.29 | Cyis | packaging |
| 03:45.35 | aaronlin | maher: I see. I'll give it a shot. |
| 03:45.41 | Area-51 | deadcat: and how do you know? -_- |
| 03:45.59 | Cyis | although of late I've been a bet lax as I've been dealing with bi-lateral tendenitos in both wrists |
| 03:46.01 | pablum | Area-51: your mom told everything (and everyone) |
| 03:46.20 | Area-51 | pablum: wouldnt doubt it |
| 03:46.23 | alekzandr | in moving the /var/www directory to /home/www should i make a symbolic or a hard link? |
| 03:46.40 | Area-51 | alekzandr: why not just change a value in the httpd.conf file? :P |
| 03:47.06 | aaronlin | maher: Ok, X will load now... |
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| 03:47.09 | pablum | oi |
| 03:47.14 | NeoXan | OI! |
| 03:47.17 | deadcat | Area-51: gigigi (= i have several (= |
| 03:47.18 | alekzandr | Area-51: what a great and simple idea, i have been working on this server far too long |
| 03:47.23 | aaronlin | maher: Ok, so I type X on the terminal. Now I get a screen with an X mouse pointer. Am I supposed to be able to move the mouse pointer? |
| 03:47.37 | Area-51 | alekzandr: obviously not long enough ;) |
| 03:47.44 | Area-51 | deadcat: ^.^ |
| 03:47.46 | deadcat | Area-51: the sony one is even better. comes with mp3 (128MB) |
| 03:47.48 | Lanix | how can i upgrade my kernel or install another version of kernel using apt ? |
| 03:47.51 | infie | How would I go about exposing a USB port from my debian box to a windows machine, seen from the window machine as a mass storage device? |
| 03:47.53 | Area-51 | lol |
| 03:47.55 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 03:48.10 | infie | I'm working on an embedded linux system and need to share files via the USB... |
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| 03:48.34 | Area-51 | infie: tail your /var/log/messages and make sure a kernel module is loading for it and its being detected, then mount -t vfat it |
| 03:48.42 | findme | aaronlin, i think you need to bring up a wm window manager , icewm |
| 03:48.46 | maher | aaronlin: yes |
| 03:48.48 | Area-51 | hmm |
| 03:49.13 | aaronlin | maher: I better reboot. I'm not sure if the mouse is connected properly. |
| 03:49.16 | findme | NeoXan, ? |
| 03:49.30 | Area-51 | hey, is there something like f-spot for testing or stable for graphics viewing and organizing and stuff? |
| 03:49.44 | maher | aaronlin: you probably don't need to reboot? just push all the connectors together... |
| 03:49.47 | NeoXan | findme? |
| 03:49.57 | findme | NeoXan, you suck ? |
| 03:50.00 | NeoXan | ?? |
| 03:50.07 | infie | Area-51: Ta. |
| 03:50.07 | NeoXan | why? |
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| 03:50.34 | Area-51 | infie: ? |
| 03:50.44 | maher | infie: you want to make the files on the usb device accessible to windows? use samba |
| 03:50.51 | infie | yes... |
| 03:50.55 | infie | um |
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| 03:51.05 | pepsi | can i use xorg with debian? |
| 03:51.14 | Area-51 | pepsi: yes, i am |
| 03:51.20 | infie | the windows machine sees the linux box as if it was a USB memory stick |
| 03:51.30 | maher | Lanix: apt-get install <name of new kernel> use apt-cache search kernel-image to get a lsit |
| 03:51.37 | maher | pepsi: its in unstable |
| 03:51.38 | infie | is the desired outcome maher |
| 03:51.46 | pepsi | oh |
| 03:51.48 | ke6isf | !tell pepsi -about xorg |
| 03:51.52 | infie | Not sharing via samba / network |
| 03:52.03 | maher | infie: mount the usb device somewhere on the linux box and export it as a samba share |
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| 03:52.18 | maher | infie: how do you want to share the files? |
| 03:52.26 | infie | maher: USB. |
| 03:52.49 | infie | Windows machine has a cable from its usb port to the embedded linux box |
| 03:52.52 | maher | infie: can you see the files? (what sort of linux box?) |
| 03:53.08 | infie | erm, I'm setting up the linux box- never worked with USB before |
| 03:53.12 | maher | infie: oh - the files are on an ext2/3 filesystem? |
| 03:53.15 | infie | yes |
| 03:53.15 | pepsi | oh i see.. i only have stable in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:53.31 | infie | and need to be seen from the windows machine as if my linux box is a mass storage device |
| 03:53.42 | Loof | Anyone here use a usb-storage device under 2.6.11.* that has multiple devices? I can't seem to figure out what device it is using now... it's not using /dev/sd* as it did before. |
| 03:53.43 | maher | infie: you need an ext2/3 fs driver for windows, google: windows ext2 |
| 03:53.58 | pepsi | is unstable really unstable? i know that stable is meant to be stable long term.. like for servers.. but what do most people use? |
| 03:54.05 | findme | NeoXan, i was asking why you typed it above, may be it is the client you are using. Please ignore. |
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| 03:54.11 | maher | Loof: if you're using hotplug it should say what its doing in the logs |
| 03:54.24 | aaronlin | maher: Alright, XFCE loaded for the first time |
| 03:54.28 | aaronlin | but the mouse still isn't picking up... |
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| 03:54.35 | maher | pepsi: unstable is really unstable - why not experiment with it in a chroot |
| 03:54.37 | juanpablo | !es |
| 03:54.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:54.43 | Loof | maher: It says it is using device 'uba' |
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| 03:54.48 | Loof | dev 7 |
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| 03:54.58 | Loof | however this thing has 3 'luns' on it |
| 03:55.02 | pepsi | maher whats testing? |
| 03:55.06 | aaronlin | brb |
| 03:55.13 | maher | aaronlin: grab a console and do cat /dev/ttyS0, 1, 2, etc and see if its one of those |
| 03:55.40 | maher | pepsi: the work in progress for the next stable release - it is less unstable than unstable, but not guaranteed to work |
| 03:55.56 | maher | Loof: that's your multiple devices |
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| 03:56.52 | Lanix | maher: a hole list came up includion kernel image 2.6 thx |
| 03:57.47 | cilkay | Hello. I am trying to install Sarge on an HP LH3000r with a NetRAID controller. It is supposed to use the old megaraid driver. If I boot the 2.6.8 kernel off the minimal installer CD, it locks up. I don't even see a megaraid module. If I boot the 2.4.27 kernel, it does not detect the megaraid module but I can insmod it. However, the installer still doesn't see any partitionable devices. How can I install Debian on t |
| 03:57.47 | cilkay | his machine? |
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| 03:58.14 | pepsi | maher: maybe i should play with stable for a while, eh? :) ive been using ubuntu but i wanted to install debian so i dont have a zillion packages whose purpose is unknown to me |
| 03:58.25 | deadcat | litage: dance rummy |
| 03:58.32 | ke6isf | pepsi: That is wisdom. |
| 03:58.43 | litage | deadcat: what's the rummy dance? |
| 03:58.58 | deadcat | litage: i dont know. but they made homer do it |
| 03:59.03 | maher | pepsi: play with stable till you are bored - then make a testing chroot and play with that |
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| 03:59.08 | Area-51 | are rents designed to be completly stupid? :( |
| 03:59.39 | litage | hahah |
| 04:00.00 | Area-51 | my mum seriously has a 10 second memory and a negative IQ |
| 04:00.05 | Area-51 | :\ |
| 04:00.16 | litage | deadcat: a swedish friend of mine showed 8 of us at 2:30 in the morning outside a bar in the middle of a street their traditional midsummer frog dance |
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| 04:00.39 | ke6isf | Area-51: Your mom is a goldfish? =O.o= |
| 04:00.53 | deadcat | litage: sounds drunk to me |
| 04:00.57 | mdh | ke6isf: goldfish have 20 seconds, not 10 |
| 04:00.58 | litage | deadcat: aye |
| 04:01.04 | ke6isf | mdh: Ah, I see. |
| 04:01.04 | Area-51 | ke6isf: a blonde goldfish -.- |
| 04:01.32 | cilkay | pepsi, even better yet, install Xen. You can then run stable and testing simultaneously. |
| 04:01.39 | pepsi | hrm |
| 04:01.43 | Area-51 | hah |
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| 04:02.03 | pepsi | well i made 2 partitions cause i was going to install ubuntu on the other partition in case i borked debian |
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| 04:02.17 | pepsi | but this is exactly the same pretty much |
| 04:02.20 | lildude | what keys kil flux box |
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| 04:02.23 | keithr | what package is iwconfig, iwpriv,.... in? |
| 04:02.30 | mdh | lildude: ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 04:03.03 | lildude | its starting with nothing on desk top |
| 04:03.05 | lildude | why? |
| 04:03.15 | tictac | mdh: wireless-tools |
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| 04:03.20 | deadcat | keithr: wireless-tools |
| 04:03.34 | Area-51 | lildude: there is no "desktop" fluxbox is just a window manager, which i personally use as my GUI of choice |
| 04:03.39 | keithr | deadcat: thx (again) |
| 04:03.41 | maher | lildude: try right / middle click background |
| 04:03.46 | mdh | lildude: fluxbox doesn't clutter your desktop with crud by default |
| 04:04.06 | deadcat | lildude: killall fluxbox |
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| 04:04.54 | posmerite | anyone know a good java site with lots of code examples plus downloadables |
| 04:05.04 | Area-51 | posmerite: google.com |
| 04:05.11 | lildude | what is right mean |
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| 04:05.32 | Area-51 | lildude: right click on the 'desktop' |
| 04:05.36 | posmerite | i have been googling just havent found what i want yet |
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| 04:05.43 | levander | How bad is ripping an audio CD in grip at 4x? |
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| 04:05.53 | lildude | then what when i click desk top |
| 04:06.07 | Area-51 | levander: not bad at all if it works, but thats up to you |
| 04:06.11 | levander | Should it be that slow because of the cd paranoia stuff? |
| 04:06.13 | deadcat | lildude: theres no desktop. you aint using fluxbox |
| 04:06.24 | levander | Area-51: what speeds you get reported by grip? |
| 04:06.29 | lildude | ok on flux box |
| 04:06.46 | lildude | that window i clicked on |
| 04:06.49 | Area-51 | levander: depends on your grip and hdparm settings and how your cd drive is -- i personally get .5x to 1x on my lappy's 24x cd drive |
| 04:07.03 | levander | Area-51: yikes |
| 04:07.07 | Cyis | deadcat: personally had a chance to have proof that Debian rox better than Ubuntu... apparently Ubuntu broke their system for setting your rootfs on a md software RAID... |
| 04:07.26 | Area-51 | levander: yea i know, but i enable full cd paranoia too, not just standard ripping |
| 04:07.29 | levander | Area-51: this is a brand new CD drive, actually it's a DVD-RW drive. Wanna say it reads CD's at 52x |
| 04:07.35 | maher | lildude: when i click on the background I get some menus - do you? |
| 04:07.50 | deadcat | Cyis: my friend told me ubuntu broke like a little bitch after a upgrade lately (= |
| 04:07.50 | levander | Area-51: yeah, I think grip is set up by default for full paranoia |
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| 04:08.01 | lildude | yeah but not teh one i want |
| 04:08.17 | maher | lildude: what menu do you want? |
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| 04:08.26 | levander | deadcat: firefox is broken apparently in the latest ubuntu repositories, maybe that's what he was talking about |
| 04:08.28 | deadcat | lildude: stop bitching and try openbox |
| 04:08.30 | ke6isf | Cyis: I have a friend who hates Debian because Ubuntu broke. I had to convince him that Ubuntu is Debian as much as Dr. Pepper is Mr. Pibb. |
| 04:08.31 | Loof | maher: Uhm, but how do I know which 'lun' got mapped to what device...or if it did, at all? |
| 04:08.32 | Area-51 | levander: full cd paranoia isnt very quick, but it depends on how you want to rip -- i do it to make sure i dont get any errors in the ripped audio |
| 04:08.33 | lildude | waht one with home [page and google |
| 04:08.43 | maher | Loof: mount them and loko at the files? |
| 04:08.54 | deadcat | levander: he said something about the apt-get, but thats cool. hes using debian now (= |
| 04:09.00 | levander | Dr. Pepper is based on Mr. Pibb? I thought Dr. Pepper was first. |
| 04:09.02 | Cyis | deadcat: a client thought that Ubuntu was a more "stable" distro to use than Debian itself... when I show'd them I could get Debian working with a rootfs md software RAID without problem they drop'd their project after we could find no way to duplicate in Ubuntu |
| 04:09.13 | mfrisch | What music formats do ipod support? is there grip or cdparanoia for 'Doz? |
| 04:09.15 | lildude | how i pick thing on menu |
| 04:09.18 | ke6isf | levander: Was a response to Cyis. Reread the whole comment. |
| 04:09.27 | deadcat | Cyis: heheh. |
| 04:09.32 | Area-51 | lildude: left click? |
| 04:09.34 | litage | in which file do i set system-wide aliases? |
| 04:09.34 | levander | ke6isf: i know, i was giving you hard time... |
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| 04:09.44 | deadcat | lildude: its gui. click around. |
| 04:09.48 | maher | Cyis: did this client have a secret definition of stability no one else knew? |
| 04:09.50 | ke6isf | levander: Phbbbt! =-P |
| 04:10.01 | lildude | nope nothing on left click |
| 04:10.15 | Arrowhead | hey all |
| 04:10.48 | deadcat | lildude: i'm sure you can figure out fluxbox |
| 04:10.59 | lildude | tring to |
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| 04:11.04 | Arrowhead | hey i was wondering if someone can help me out with a little problem i have? |
| 04:11.05 | Cyis | maher: not a clue... But I think I convinced them if they want'd to pursue this avenue that they need'd to move over to Debian proper... |
| 04:11.09 | levander | Area-51: okay, so 4x doesn't sound to bad to you? A guy earlier today was telling he was getting 16x. I didn't get a chance to ask him much more though. And, from googling, I've seen people say they only get 4x and people are telling them to check their hdparm settings. |
| 04:11.29 | Cyis | I've been running "testing" on production machines now for over a year at work... |
| 04:11.29 | levander | Arrowhead: best way to find out is to ask |
| 04:11.35 | Cyis | to date we haven't had a problem |
| 04:11.42 | Area-51 | levander: yup, configure your ripping method to your liking and read up on hdparm and /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 04:11.45 | Arrowhead | levander: heh thx :) |
| 04:11.58 | Arrowhead | my linux machine currently mounts my DVD drive as a CD drive |
| 04:12.06 | Arrowhead | and it reads CD's just fine but can't read DVDs |
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| 04:12.12 | Arrowhead | anyone heard of this before? |
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| 04:12.30 | nvz | you mean like movies? |
| 04:12.39 | Arrowhead | even DVD-Rs |
| 04:12.40 | nvz | I dont think you are suppose to mount those |
| 04:12.43 | levander | Arrowhead: could it be a media problem? Like it's a DVD+RW disc, but the drive only supports DVD-R? |
| 04:12.54 | lildude | its right click |
| 04:13.02 | Arrowhead | leavander: when my box was formerly windows, this drive read the discs just fine |
| 04:13.15 | Arrowhead | but when i reformatted it and installed debian, it stopped reading the dvds |
| 04:13.24 | nvz | I was playing around with various mud/mush servers couldnt figure them out.. heh |
| 04:13.29 | lildude | thanks |
| 04:13.41 | Area-51 | Arrowhead: what type of dvd drive? |
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| 04:13.55 | Arrowhead | area51: it's the generic cheapo brand |
| 04:14.03 | Area-51 | Arrowhead: and how are you trying to mount it? when you mount a dvd (movie) do you see the audio_ts and video_ts folders? |
| 04:14.06 | Loof | maher: And, which files would those be? |
| 04:14.06 | Arrowhead | i can dig up the brand name if you want |
| 04:14.25 | levander | Arrowhead: Hi-Val? |
| 04:14.34 | Arrowhead | area51: i never tried a DVD movie before....i'm trying to mount a DVD+R |
| 04:14.37 | pablum | Arrowhead: you have libdvdread3 installed? |
| 04:14.41 | Arrowhead | or -R (i have both) |
| 04:14.41 | maher | Loof: the files on the device? is their anyway of telling the paritions apart by size or contents? |
| 04:14.52 | maher | Arrowhead: look in the logs for errors |
| 04:14.54 | levander | Arrowhead: and, it was the exact same disc that read fine under windows? |
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| 04:14.55 | lildude | open box whats that |
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| 04:15.17 | Arrowhead | pablum: yeah, i checked dselect before, and it was there |
| 04:15.24 | Area-51 | Arrowhead: is your dvd drive capable of reading +R/-R media? is it a dvd burner? and what happens when you mount it? |
| 04:15.27 | Arrowhead | levander: yup, exact same disc |
| 04:15.32 | Arrowhead | maher: which logs? |
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| 04:15.43 | levander | Arrowhead: two things come to mind, check the disc for scratches, and I wonder if there's some kind of filesystem Windows uses on DVD discs that the rest of the world doesn't |
| 04:15.58 | levander | Arrowhead: I'm not up to speed on DVD filesystem's, so I wouldn't know about that one. |
| 04:15.59 | Arrowhead | the DVD brand name is BTC |
| 04:16.01 | maher | Arrowhead: /var/log/syslog |
| 04:16.23 | tbx | I do aptitude install qtparted, and I get "No candidate version found for qtparted", yet aptitude search parted shows "Bd qtparted - A parted frontend using QT". I don't get it. |
| 04:16.40 | levander | Arrowhead: i'd search for the device file of your dvd drive in the syslog that maher mentioned |
| 04:16.42 | Arrowhead | maher: i'll take a look, but i doubt i'll get log errors (since it makes a funny i-cant-read-this noise when i insert the disc) |
| 04:16.43 | nevyn | B.. as in Broken |
| 04:16.56 | Cyis | what package has dia2sql? tedia2sql says it's not it |
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| 04:17.16 | maher | Arrowhead: that sounds more like a hw issue |
| 04:17.40 | Arrowhead | maher: you may be right....i was hoping it wasn't =( |
| 04:17.48 | Arrowhead | i thought maybe the drivers were wrong or something |
| 04:17.52 | levander | Area-51: you know, I went up from a 0.5x speed ripping CD's to ~4.0x when I stopped ripping to a network share, and just put the WAV file on a local partition. |
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| 04:18.11 | Area-51 | levander: thats just kinda "duh" right there :P |
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| 04:18.28 | natcity | Hey can you guys suggest a name server besides bind that is equiv in quality? |
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| 04:18.31 | maher | Arrowhead: i had a dvd rw drive that wrote exactly one dvd before turning itself into a cdrom... |
| 04:18.35 | Arrowhead | maher: nope, nothing in the syslog |
| 04:18.48 | maher | Arrowhead: try kernel.log and daemon.log as well |
| 04:18.51 | Arrowhead | maher: dang, how'd THAT happen? |
| 04:19.02 | levander | Area-51: why? it's a 100Mpbs network connection, that should be faster than 52 * 150 kpbs? (Actually, lemme do math in another window) |
| 04:19.03 | dli | I got a .wma music file, seems like none of mplayer, xine, totem, xmms can play it |
| 04:19.19 | Arrowhead | kern.log is blank, and daemon.log doesn't have anything |
| 04:19.38 | Area-51 | levander: supposed to and actuallity are different, especially on most consumer equipment |
| 04:19.44 | tbx | dli: you need win32codecs |
| 04:19.59 | kreg | GeForce 6800 Ultra, 6800 GT, 6800 LE and 6800 |
| 04:20.02 | kreg | how do you tell what order they go? |
| 04:20.05 | lildude | cant get this debian lap to turn off |
| 04:20.06 | Arrowhead | is it even possible for the dvd drive to only read CD's? |
| 04:20.09 | levander | Arrowhead: you know, i've gotten that "I can't read this" noise when discs have been scratched in the past. |
| 04:20.16 | dli | tbx: mplayer has some problem in playing audio only files |
| 04:20.18 | Arrowhead | especially with what maher said, maybe my drive did the same thing |
| 04:20.22 | natcity | Hey can you guys suggest a name server besides bind that is equiv in quality? |
| 04:20.36 | tbx | dli: not for me it doesn't. |
| 04:20.59 | maher | Arrowhead: it broke - some sort of hw failure |
| 04:21.07 | tbx | dli: do you have w32codecs installed from marillat source? |
| 04:21.16 | nevyn | natcity: it's hard to find other code that's as bad as bind... |
| 04:21.21 | levander | Area-51: interesting, i wanna tell you something related to this i notice when i get back, 2 min |
| 04:21.28 | dli | tbx: yeah, I have w32codecs |
| 04:21.35 | Arrowhead | maher: :( i guess the only true way to tell is to drop windows back in and see if it reads dvds again |
| 04:21.52 | nevyn | natcity: if you can put up with pretencious wankery you could try djbdns |
| 04:21.53 | litage | what's the difference between /etc/rc[0-6].d and /etc/rcS.d? |
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| 04:22.11 | dli | tbx: but mplayer chooses to use Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders |
| 04:22.24 | Arrowhead | alright, i'm gonna try that angle then.....i think i've got a spare drive somewhere where i can try it out |
| 04:22.27 | tbx | dli: dunno what to tell ya, bro. |
| 04:22.28 | natcity | nevyn: would you suggest djbdns over bind? Im just looking at a security stand point. |
| 04:22.35 | pablum | litage: S.d is shutdown |
| 04:22.39 | tbx | dli: perhaps yer wma file is screwballed. |
| 04:22.40 | pablum | er... single |
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| 04:22.47 | Arrowhead | thanks everyone, for your help (i'll bbl to report if it actually DOES work on win32 but not on linux) |
| 04:23.06 | natcity | I wouldn't be getting a great deal of lookups, so anything that a bit more secure then bind and has decent performance would be fine. |
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| 04:23.11 | litage | pablum: what do you mean? |
| 04:23.35 | dli | tbx: it was ok in windows |
| 04:23.38 | maher | natcity: bind9 has a better reputation than bind8 |
| 04:23.39 | nevyn | does it need to master for any zones? |
| 04:24.08 | tbx | dli: what you mean to say is that whatever player you used autodetected the format better. |
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| 04:24.32 | pablum | litage: rcS.d is the single user runlevel |
| 04:24.33 | natcity | nevyn: mine? no |
| 04:24.36 | Cyis | deadcat: if it wouldn't be a hassle I'd actually bring my AMD64 Debian workstation to the booth... but being as my web server, firewall/gateway for the internal network and my IMAP/POP3 servers run as virtual machines on it... not feasible |
| 04:24.44 | tbx | dli: the file itself may still be screwballed. have you ran from cli mplayer screwball.wma and watched what it says? |
| 04:25.10 | dli | tbx: cli ? |
| 04:25.18 | litage | pablum: then what's rc1.d? |
| 04:25.38 | tbx | dli: command line interface |
| 04:26.02 | natcity | Anyone have any feedback on ev1servers? They are pretty much the biggest out there from my research. I am wondering if that has any drawbacks. |
| 04:26.06 | deadcat | Cyis: you got other machines you can bring to demo? i will be there with my ibook for a while. hope they let me hang around. |
| 04:26.07 | dli | tbx: yes, I only use command line |
| 04:26.44 | tbx | dli: and, what did the output say? what sort of file is it actually? |
| 04:26.52 | Cyis | I will have my Sony Vaio C1 laptop with me... |
| 04:27.00 | deadcat | cool |
| 04:27.00 | Cyis | that's my "commuter" laptop... |
| 04:27.10 | Cyis | can't get the boss to spring for a new T series :) |
| 04:27.12 | lildude | in flux box how you kil the lap top |
| 04:27.17 | lildude | loking for a hammer |
| 04:27.28 | deadcat | Cyis: hahah. |
| 04:27.41 | tbx | lilalinux: try opening a terminal window and typing "halt"? |
| 04:27.51 | deadcat | lildude: what the hell. its fluxbox, mot flux box, its laptop not lap top. you on crack dude? |
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| 04:28.01 | dli | tbx: just tell me what I need to do ? |
| 04:28.03 | maher | litage: if you read /etc/init.d/README it eventually points you to the doc.... |
| 04:28.05 | lildude | nope |
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| 04:28.19 | tbx | lilalinux: sorry. wrong. |
| 04:28.19 | tbx | lildude: try opening a terminal window and typing "halt"? |
| 04:28.39 | Cyis | deadcat: have you seen the specs on the Sony Vaio T Series? |
| 04:28.51 | pablum | litage... same thing, except the S scripts are run before going single... maybe to shut stuff down, but not everything. |
| 04:28.52 | deadcat | Cyis: nah. not into sony laptops. |
| 04:28.53 | mdh | deadcat: its rude to label people from non-english-speaking backgrounds as drug users simply because they're making an effort |
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| 04:29.04 | tbx | dli: what I am saying is that until you know what type of file that WMA actually is, there isn't a whole lot else I can think of. |
| 04:29.19 | deadcat | mdh: i dont know what lang he speaks. and i didnt label him |
| 04:29.21 | Cyis | most have 512MB RAM standard... built-in 802.11b/g as well as Cingular EDGE WAN connectivity built-in |
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| 04:29.28 | tvn | get a Dell |
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| 04:29.35 | tbx | dli: you're using a hostile, alien format that is /designed/ to be hard to play outside of it's mothership. What are you expecting? |
| 04:29.44 | dli | tbx: ASF file format detected |
| 04:29.50 | mdh | deadcat: you claimed they were on crack simply because of bad spelling |
| 04:30.04 | deadcat | mdh: i was making sure hes NOT on crack |
| 04:30.15 | dli | tbx: could be, made for windows |
| 04:30.17 | Overand | What's wrong with IRCing on crack? |
| 04:30.23 | tbx | dli: ... which is just a transport wrapper. that's like saying it's an "avi". Generic. What's the codec? |
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| 04:30.36 | litage | my /etc/inetd.conf has only 1 non-commented line: "ident stream tcp wait identd /usr/sbin/identd identd" is it safe to disable identd? |
| 04:30.41 | deadcat | mdh: see. Overand has no problem with cracking on irc |
| 04:30.53 | tbx | I do aptitude install qtparted, and I get "No candidate version found for qtparted", yet aptitude search parted shows "Bd qtparted - A parted frontend using QT". I don't get it. |
| 04:30.55 | dli | tbx AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/9.07% (ratio: 16002->176400) |
| 04:31.17 | tbx | dli: that's not the codec. |
| 04:31.31 | secher | Heyas all. I've got a process that's kicking off drive activity, and I'd like to know what process it is. Is there a way for me to track which process is accessing the disk, including frequency and duration? Numbers of reads and writes would be good to. Suggestions? |
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| 04:32.08 | WhildGurl | can anyone tell me how I can search my system for files editied on a speficic data? |
| 04:32.10 | dli | tbx Selected audio codec: [ffwmav2] afm:ffmpeg (DivX audio v2 (FFmpeg)) |
| 04:32.16 | bobbyz | I have some custom commands that need to be executed each time my pcmcia wifi card is plugged-in. Are there any script I can modify to take care of this or any addition programs I could install? |
| 04:32.24 | secher | WhildGurl: man find.. it's in there. |
| 04:32.26 | natcity | WhildGurl: man find |
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| 04:32.34 | tbx | dli: there ya go. Do you have ffmpeg codecs installed? |
| 04:32.35 | natcity | secher :> |
| 04:32.38 | dli | tbx: but very likely, mplayer uses a wrong codec here |
| 04:32.45 | celerate | hey everyone |
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| 04:33.02 | dli | tbx: sure |
| 04:33.04 | secher | nacity: :) |
| 04:33.28 | tbx | dli: marillat archives have three different ffmpeg packages. be sure you have all three. ffmpeg, ffmpeg1, ffmpeg2. |
| 04:33.29 | celerate | it's been years since I used Debian, can anyone tell me how the 3.1 version's software compares with what is current |
| 04:33.50 | secher | WhildGurl: did you say data or date? |
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| 04:34.37 | deadcat | celerate: not bad. |
| 04:34.39 | secher | celerate: not too far off.. unstable is more current, obviously. |
| 04:35.12 | celerate | I don't need bleeding edge, actually I was about to go back to Windows when I decided to try Debian. I'm tired of SUSE, MDK, etc.. only working sometimes |
| 04:35.20 | dli | tbx: sorry, but I'm on gentoo |
| 04:35.26 | deadcat | celerate: install 3.1 then upgrade to testing |
| 04:35.42 | tbx | dli: dude, try #gentoo, then. |
| 04:35.57 | secher | celerate: WHAT??? Sacrelige (sp?)! |
| 04:36.09 | Lanix | deadcat: why would he want to do that ? |
| 04:36.11 | Atula | sacreligious |
| 04:36.19 | tbx | dli: what the hell?! |
| 04:36.29 | maher | celerate: why not use stable then |
| 04:36.41 | Lanix | 3.1 is sopose to be stable yes ? |
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| 04:36.45 | celerate | that's what I had in mind |
| 04:36.46 | maher | Lanix: yes |
| 04:36.49 | Lanix | uptodate ? |
| 04:36.59 | Lanix | why go in to testing ? |
| 04:37.13 | maher | celerate: 3.1 was released a month or so ago, so most of the packages are reasonably up to date |
| 04:37.25 | deadcat | Lanix: because he doesnt want bleeding edge and not out of date |
| 04:37.27 | celerate | what is the schedule for the next stable release? |
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| 04:37.34 | deadcat | celerate: when its ready |
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| 04:37.36 | tbx | dli: but as a friendly parting shot, you can unfuck your wma's by doing this: "mplayer stream.dump -ao pcm"; which will output a wav file which then can at least be turned into a flac. |
| 04:37.38 | maher | celerate: use stable till you succumb to versionitis again... |
| 04:37.41 | celerate | or, how old will packages get before there are updates |
| 04:37.45 | Dinuir | does debian support ntfs? |
| 04:37.52 | deadcat | Dinuir: ya |
| 04:37.57 | secher | so no one knows of a way to determine which process is accessing a disk? |
| 04:38.15 | deadcat | secher: lsof or fuser |
| 04:38.23 | maher | celerate: well stable will only get security fixes till the next release, which is at least 18 months away I would expect |
| 04:38.29 | Dinuir | deadcat: I have installed dmraid and can see my raid 0 array - how can i mount a drive (3 partitions exist) |
| 04:38.38 | tbx | secher: there has got to be a way, but I don't know what exactly. .... there ya go. |
| 04:38.43 | maher | Dinuir: but read only |
| 04:38.50 | secher | deadcat: will look, thanks. |
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| 04:39.02 | celerate | I don't see 18 months as being unreasonable, it beats doing clean installations every six months like I used to before |
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| 04:39.21 | ec_ | I am having a dependancy problem with apt on unstable |
| 04:39.30 | tbx | does any body have any idea here: I do aptitude install qtparted, and I get "No candidate version found for qtparted", yet aptitude search parted shows "Bd qtparted - A parted frontend using QT". I don't get it. |
| 04:39.46 | maher | celerate: once every 18th months is fine by me too - the 3 years woody -> sarge was perhaps a bit on the long side... |
| 04:40.04 | ec_ | the latest abiword depends on libenchant1c2, which depends on libmyspell3c2 |
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| 04:40.29 | maher | ec_: gcc transition - read the topic |
| 04:40.30 | celerate | if Debian doesn't work out for me I'll have to fork over $$$ for a mac :-p |
| 04:40.32 | ec_ | but to install that myspell package I have to remove abiword apparently |
| 04:40.54 | celerate | macs are too expensive for someone on minimum wage like myself |
| 04:41.18 | tbx | celerate: what, is there something wrong with your hardware? Else why would you buy a new platform? |
| 04:41.19 | maher | celerate: you cuold buy a second hand mac - and run debian o nit anyway! |
| 04:41.31 | ec_ | ahh sorry |
| 04:41.43 | ec_ | it got scrolled back about 500 lines |
| 04:41.54 | tbx | !topic |
| 04:41.55 | secher | celerate: find a friend who is in college, and get the apple discount, 15% I thihk, which brings them down to regular PC prices. |
| 04:42.04 | litage | when i run `update-rc.d inetd stop 20 3 4 5 .` it says "System startup links for /etc/init.d/inetd already exist" and nothing is changed. why is that? |
| 04:42.17 | celerate | well, afaik every linux distribution I've run on my hardware has had terrible bugs, except debian because it's been years since I've run that. If I don't use Linux though my only other option is Windows since BSD is likely going to have the same problems and I don't want to use Windows so I'd consider getting a Mac |
| 04:42.46 | tvn | secher: but then that person can also get 15% or more for the PC count, which makes the Appl more expensive than PC nevertheless |
| 04:43.14 | celerate | most of the bugs I've run into were in modifications distributors made to the software included, SUSE is especially bad for that |
| 04:43.30 | secher | celerate: Not to start a war here, but OS X is *nice* for a desktop of someone who doesn't like to tinker. |
| 04:43.57 | celerate | I like control, I don't like growing a beard trying to get DVD support to work though |
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| 04:44.15 | celerate | that was what did in SUSE for me, getting DVD support killed one package, and caused another app to crash all the time |
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| 04:45.02 | jimmybgood | litage: add the -f option or delete the existing links RTM |
| 04:45.02 | secher | You can't blame that on GNU/Linux then. That's the HW manufacturers being tight assed with the drivers. |
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| 04:45.32 | maher | litage: do you want to stop inetd from starting? |
| 04:46.44 | WhildGurl | secher date |
| 04:47.12 | litage | maher: yes |
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| 04:47.33 | secher | WhildGurl: Cool. I'd thought so, but wanted to make sure. |
| 04:47.36 | maher | litage: try update-rc.d -f inetd remove |
| 04:47.49 | celerate | I realize it's partly the HW manufacturers, and the RIAA/MPAA, but I've been wondering for a long time why USD$100 doesn't get me good DVD support and proper bug fixes in SUSE. If it was free I could understand, but other distributions have made it really easy to get DVD support manually, in fact distributions that don't tinker too much like Slackware worked very well for me but I'd like a solid package manager on top of that, and tha |
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| 04:48.01 | litage | maher: i'd rather keep the symlinks |
| 04:48.14 | dak | ugh |
| 04:48.38 | tbx | celerate: slapt-get. |
| 04:48.43 | dak | suse is trash |
| 04:48.51 | maher | litage: did you read how rc?.d works? |
| 04:48.56 | celerate | it was my understanding that packages in Debian get thuroughly tested before being released as stable |
| 04:49.14 | dak | yeah celerate and even unstable isnt that unstable |
| 04:49.23 | dak | but stable is real stable |
| 04:49.34 | secher | celerate: agreed, which is why I stick with Debian: stability, apt, rigid adherence to Open Source ideal and the community. |
| 04:49.50 | celerate | then chances are I'll probably like it |
| 04:49.57 | dak | debian needs to make text books so they start using it in schools |
| 04:50.13 | pablum | celerate: they are tested in testing (etch) before the new release. |
| 04:50.34 | celerate | that would be very nice, having a good book on how to use Debian and how to build deb packages |
| 04:51.24 | pablum | celerate: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 04:51.43 | deepan | i am running HTS (http tunneling server) in bioinformatics.org and HTC in my computer. the command for HTC is "htc -F 8888 bioinformatics.org:80". When i try "telnet localhost 8888" .. it say connected to localhost.localdomain(127.0.0.1) and then Escape character ^] ... and then connection closed by foreign host . from the netstat output i see " tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8888 127.0.0.1:1033 TIME_WAIT -" and tcpdump does not |
| 04:51.58 | secher | celerate: seriously, if you want control, stability and current (mostly) applications, then Debian unstable is the way to go. My primary system has an uptime of almost a year, and I've been keeping current with unstable. |
| 04:51.58 | celerate | pablum: thanks |
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| 04:52.22 | ke6isf | deepan: Sounds like whatever server is operating on port 8888 is just dropping the connection. |
| 04:52.38 | tvn | specific operating system to computer users is like specific brand of calculator to mathematicians ..... it's there to help doing tasks ... |
| 04:52.41 | celerate | secher, since it's my first introduction to Debian in a long time, I'd like for things to go as smoothly as possible so for the time being I'll stick with stable. When I want to update my software then I'll go to testing |
| 04:52.53 | tbx | pabl0: do you have any idea here: I do aptitude install qtparted, and I get "No candidate version found for qtparted", yet aptitude search parted shows "Bd qtparted - A parted frontend using QT". I don't get it. |
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| 04:53.01 | tbx | pablumdo you have any idea here: I do aptitude install qtparted, and I get "No candidate version found for qtparted", yet aptitude search parted shows "Bd qtparted - A parted frontend using QT". I don't get it. |
| 04:53.13 | tbx | pabl0: sorry. |
| 04:53.15 | deepan | ke6isf: why should it drop.. any reasons? |
| 04:53.24 | tvn | I need some one to write a book for my xyz graphing calculator .... its official manual is not enough .... |
| 04:53.25 | ke6isf | deepan: What are you running on that port? |
| 04:53.51 | deepan | i am running HTC on that prot ke6isf |
| 04:54.15 | ke6isf | deepan: It can be any reason, honestly. The server won't allow the IP address, it's supposed to do that (though I don't kwow why), whatever. |
| 04:54.18 | pablum | deepan: you didn't hit enter a couple times, or anything? |
| 04:54.35 | maher | tbx: check http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 04:54.41 | deepan | pablum: no.. i never did that.. it happens repetedly |
| 04:55.02 | secher | celerate: agreed. my only suggestion there is you may want to think about upping the kernel once you've settled back in. If you stable is current enought for you, then no need to change, but a lack of current kernel might cause you a bit of a hassle with newer hardware. My $.02. |
| 04:55.33 | tbx | maher: well, yeah. that's what I'm saying. The package exists, but for some reason aptitude thinks it's not there. I've done the obvious apt-get update and all that. |
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| 04:55.40 | celerate | secher: thanks, fortunately my hardware is a little older now, but I'll probably update like you said soon anyway |
| 04:55.48 | tvn | tbx: what debian branch do you use ? |
| 04:55.55 | secher | Kk.. good luck man. |
| 04:56.05 | WhildGurl | secher suggestion besides 'man find'? |
| 04:56.06 | WhildGurl | :P |
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| 04:56.30 | pablum | deepan: and it happens immediately? |
| 04:56.55 | deepan | ya it happens immediately pablum |
| 04:57.09 | secher | WhildGurl: you're trying to look for a particular file of files that have been accessed either on a specific date or within a range of dates, yes? |
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| 04:57.15 | tbx | tvn: unless there is a better way to tell, my apt/sources.list is full of "stable" entries. |
| 04:57.16 | deepan | and you also see that HTC goes to TIME_WAIT state.. |
| 04:57.33 | maher | tbx: qtparted is not in stable or testing, which packages.debian.org would have told you |
| 04:57.41 | tbx | tvn: .... d'oh! |
| 04:58.05 | tbx | maher: slap muh 'fro! thanks... |
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| 04:59.24 | tbx | tvn: so, is it as trivial as changing apt/sources to "unstable", updating, and upgrading? |
| 04:59.43 | tvn | tbx: it's trivial to upgrade ... but it's not trivial to deal with the unstability in unstable |
| 04:59.59 | NeoXan | anyony intrested in gangbang? |
| 05:00.33 | secher | Egad, I"m a slob. my computer room looks like a PC junkyard. |
| 05:00.35 | pablum | deepan: it may be the way you start up both commands. look at the question "How do I get this going through a proxy?" here: http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel/faq.html |
| 05:00.39 | black13 | whenever i try to login i get "Login incorrect" and unable to even enter a password |
| 05:01.13 | pablum | hmm. that's using another proxy. |
| 05:01.19 | secher | black13: can you at least enter a userid? |
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| 05:01.37 | maher | tbx: look on backports.org, or try and manually dl the unstable qtparted, or try and rebuild it on stable |
| 05:01.39 | tbx | tvn: so. how do I get qtparted installed, then? I did try downloading the deb and installing it with dpkg, but I got dependency errors. |
| 05:01.58 | deepan | pablum: i had already read that.. and i am not under a proxy.. |
| 05:02.21 | maher | tbx: get the source and use dpkg-buildpackage on it |
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| 05:02.32 | black13 | secher i can enter root as soon as i backspace i get "Login incorrect" |
| 05:02.44 | secher | backspace? |
| 05:03.06 | maher | tbx: the source for the deb |
| 05:03.43 | black13 | secher sorry i meant enter |
| 05:03.47 | black13 | its late |
| 05:03.55 | dak | uhm |
| 05:03.59 | dak | you got lilo installed |
| 05:04.04 | maher | black13: what have you been doing? |
| 05:04.39 | bob2 | nvz: eh? |
| 05:04.55 | black13 | maher ... coveting a 23 neibor of mine |
| 05:04.56 | dak | black do you have lilo installed ? if so boot to single mode |
| 05:05.03 | dak | even grub should let u |
| 05:05.09 | tbx | maher: okay, I'll go for it. thank you. |
| 05:05.13 | pablum | deepan: it's the hts command invocation where the problem is, I feel sure. you put it on the same port that httpd runs on by default. |
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| 05:05.45 | litage | is it possible to put which console you're logged into in $PS1? (ie: so that you can easily differentiate between ctrl+alt+F1, F2, ...) |
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| 05:06.25 | aFlag | what's the right way to install unsatable stuff on my debian sarge? |
| 05:06.30 | dak | at lilo press the alt or crtl key and type linux single |
| 05:06.32 | pablum | deepan: try hts -F server.test.com:888 80, and htc htc -F 8888 |
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| 05:06.46 | dak | linux single root=/dev/hdxx |
| 05:06.48 | black13 | secher any ideas |
| 05:06.56 | pablum | crap... append : bioinformatics.org:80 |
| 05:07.07 | dak | it will drop you in a suid shell |
| 05:07.19 | pablum | no... bioinformatics.org:888 |
| 05:07.19 | maher | black13: not enough info - how have you hosed your box? |
| 05:07.25 | pablum | so... |
| 05:07.40 | secher | black13: what were you doing before you lost the ability to login? and try what dak said, on boot, boot to runlevel 1. |
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| 05:08.07 | pablum | deepan: htc htc -F 8888 bioinformatics.org:888 |
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| 05:08.10 | dak | he cant login maher |
| 05:08.14 | dak | bad pass |
| 05:08.51 | black13 | maher secher the problem is i am swimming out in deep water i built a chroot from deboostrap and then make it bootable ... this is what i got |
| 05:09.08 | dak | he wont listen to me. |
| 05:09.08 | secher | dak: he can't enter a pass.. it automagically fails him when he hits enter after putting in his userid. Black13: can you enter anotyher userid? |
| 05:09.08 | black13 | it boots when i use rungetty |
| 05:09.10 | dak | so screwm |
| 05:09.16 | dak | hrm |
| 05:09.25 | dak | wrong user id |
| 05:09.30 | black13 | dak sorry man |
| 05:09.34 | maher | black13: see if it still works as a chroot |
| 05:09.41 | dak | black did you try uid 0 ? |
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| 05:09.56 | maher | black13: then check you have the right password |
| 05:10.07 | deepan | pablum: what did you say by that |
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| 05:10.20 | black13 | let me back up and explain i what i did |
| 05:10.24 | NeoXan | anyony intrested in gangbang? |
| 05:10.38 | maher | !ops NeoXan moron |
| 05:10.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: NeoXan moron |
| 05:10.43 | pablum | deepan: you have to modify your hts command (and by default, your htc command) as follows: |
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| 05:10.50 | dak | NeoXan go ask your little sister |
| 05:10.56 | bob2 | dak: no |
| 05:10.59 | pablum | hts -F server.test.com:888 80 |
| 05:11.05 | black13 | george bush? condi rice? |
| 05:11.15 | pablum | htc -F 8888 bioinformatics.org:888 |
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| 05:11.22 | dak | black13 so explain man |
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| 05:11.28 | black13 | sure thanks |
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| 05:11.40 | WhildGurl | secher yes sir |
| 05:11.44 | black13 | first i took passwd and shadow files from a working system |
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| 05:11.58 | nvz | hmm I am starting to understand this thing . . . |
| 05:12.02 | black13 | then put then in this chroot directory |
| 05:12.09 | pablum | deepan: because you seem to've put hts forward port on the server on the same port as that which the webserver is using |
| 05:12.19 | nvz | bob2: Penix is here. |
| 05:12.22 | secher | Kk. one last smoke, and I'm out. it's 1:30 and I have to get up at 5:30 <grumble>. |
| 05:12.40 | dak | your clocks off a little secher |
| 05:12.41 | secher | WhildGurl: yes what? in response to my last comment to you? |
| 05:12.45 | dak | like a good 20 mins |
| 05:12.46 | pablum | deepan: i put 888 just for convenience. you might have a better port to use. |
| 05:12.47 | nvz | bob2: I recall you saying you haven't seen Penix when I spoke of gamp the other day |
| 05:12.49 | black13 | i have a script that builds a an initial ram disk linux kernel and isolinux.bin then runs squashimage on the whole thing |
| 05:13.05 | WhildGurl | secher yes. |
| 05:13.07 | WhildGurl | lol |
| 05:13.27 | black13 | dak it boots and when i use rungetty it boots fine |
| 05:13.42 | bob2 | nvz: ah, right |
| 05:13.45 | litage | does sudo need to be started on bootup to run sudo-commands? |
| 05:13.50 | pablum | deepan: so you go: telnet -> localhost:8888 -> bioinfo.org:888 -> bioinfo.org:80 |
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| 05:14.52 | Marble2 | Can someone help me? I can't get totem-xine to detect my codecs at all, any type of file (except mpg) won't play. it's so frustrating, and it's been like this for a while now |
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| 05:15.32 | black13 | dak my guess is that pam is screwed up or incomplete |
| 05:15.50 | litage | if sudo doesn't have a daemon, why does /etc/init.d/sudo exis? |
| 05:16.05 | secher | WhildGurl: man find and then hit /atime or /ctime or /mtime or /newer . Those all key from the timestamp. I don't know of any other way. |
| 05:16.17 | WhildGurl | thanks |
| 05:16.17 | nvz | these mud things arent easy to figure out |
| 05:16.56 | secher | peace all, I'm out. |
| 05:17.06 | black13 | later |
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| 05:17.12 | nvz | my friend told me about these things some 6 years or more ago.. I am finally checking it out :P |
| 05:17.29 | bob2 | litage: look at what it does |
| 05:17.37 | nvz | if I had a decent video card I wouldnt have to ammuse myself with text games :P |
| 05:18.03 | bob2 | litage: it cleans up in case your system went down hard last time |
| 05:18.21 | black13 | dak any ideas |
| 05:18.30 | nvz | I might grow a new imagination if I start making my own little world on this thing.. heh |
| 05:18.44 | litage | bob2: so it should be run in runlevels 2-5 then, just for safety's sake, right? |
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| 05:18.55 | bob2 | yes, leave the defaults alone |
| 05:19.15 | litage | bob2: by default it's not run in any runlevel (i just installed it via apt-get) |
| 05:19.26 | kunphuzil | What is the support for Linksys WUSB54G in Debian like? |
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| 05:19.58 | bob2 | litage: yes it is, /etc/rcS.d/ |
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| 05:20.07 | bob2 | kunphuzil: same as on any other distro |
| 05:20.14 | bob2 | presumably it's prism54 |
| 05:20.20 | bob2 | which means cvs checkouts for cvs support |
| 05:20.26 | bob2 | er, "usb support" |
| 05:20.47 | saboteur | has anyone built a sarge disk with hostraid support? |
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| 05:23.51 | _blue | can anyone help me out here, i'm looking for an alternative to mondo archive to create backup isos that can be transferred over NFS or samba and then restored.. |
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| 05:25.32 | WhildGurl | secher Mmm not sure that will work.. I want to see what files were created system wide on June 13 2005 |
| 05:25.56 | deadcat | WhildGurl: man find |
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| 05:26.16 | bob2 | that's not that useful |
| 05:26.29 | bob2 | -ctime +something is what you want, I suspect |
| 05:26.50 | pablum | -ctime +something -daystart |
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| 05:30.11 | sunbin | hi |
| 05:30.18 | pablum | WhildGurl: find / -ctime +12 -daystart -print |
| 05:30.58 | kunphuzil | How can I change the mirrors apt-get uses? (Not manually, I forget the command to find the best available mirror..) |
| 05:31.05 | deadcat | kunphuzil: apt-setup |
| 05:31.07 | bob2 | +43, surely? |
| 05:31.19 | deadcat | kunphuzil: that would be apt-spy |
| 05:31.27 | prodope | anyone know why debian.yourku.ca might be returning GPG when trying to apt-get update? |
| 05:31.34 | sunbin | why i can't see the kernel under the directory /usr/src |
| 05:31.35 | prodope | sorry, returning GPG errors |
| 05:31.41 | prodope | invalid signatures |
| 05:31.45 | kunphuzil | Great, thanks |
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| 05:31.49 | deadcat | prodope: because its not authenticated. |
| 05:32.14 | rata | sunbin, because you didn't download it ? :-P |
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| 05:32.26 | ForrestF | how do i configure debian to use my SOCKS5 server for its DNS server |
| 05:32.27 | prodope | deadcat: it was working up until last night |
| 05:32.37 | sunbin | i see |
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| 05:32.52 | deadcat | prodope: because last night you did a upgrade right? or they changed the key. or someone rooted the box |
| 05:33.24 | celerate | time for me to go, thanks for the help everyone. Goodnight. |
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| 05:34.59 | sunbin | i download it and copy it to the directory then ok? |
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| 05:35.55 | rata | sunbin, if you download it there, so you will hace it there... |
| 05:37.06 | sunbin | what's mean "hace it there" |
| 05:37.25 | rata | sunbin, have, sorry :) |
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| 05:38.47 | sunbin | :) |
| 05:38.55 | atrus | any way under linux to check what sizes of sticks of memory i have installed? |
| 05:39.14 | deadcat | atrus: look at the stick. |
| 05:39.21 | rata | sunbin, (you can download the kernel source, using apt-get, or directly from www.kernel.org) |
| 05:39.21 | pablum | heh |
| 05:39.39 | deadcat | atrus: if you dont know i assume its stolen |
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| 05:39.56 | atrus | deadcat: well i'd like to check without rebooting :) |
| 05:40.17 | deadcat | atrus: you dont have to. just look at the stick |
| 05:40.42 | litage | quick question posted: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5tkf7r32.html |
| 05:41.22 | deadcat | litage: how do we know its not advertisement? |
| 05:41.48 | pablum | is it just me or is there a number of people that come here for answers but aren't interested in giving you feedback after getting them? |
| 05:41.49 | litage | deadcat: ?? |
| 05:42.09 | atrus | deadcat: i won't be able to see any printing without removing the stick from the case. |
| 05:42.28 | atrus | anyways, if nobody knows, that's okay. was just curious. |
| 05:42.38 | sunbin | oh,thanks,the version is not matter,yes? |
| 05:42.42 | deadcat | atrus: yes i know. but you can just unplug it |
| 05:43.06 | atrus | deadcat: and i'll avoid having to reboot the computer by.......? |
| 05:43.10 | deadcat | atrus: if you dont even know the size. i assume you wont know how to mount the thing. so its ok to unplug |
| 05:43.24 | deadcat | atrus: its fucking usb. dont have to reboot |
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| 05:43.40 | rata | sunbin, why ? if you will use it to compile something, you must use the same version you are running |
| 05:43.41 | atrus | deadcat: no, the sticks of memory. ram. pc133 sticks :) |
| 05:44.05 | deadcat | oh. |
| 05:44.08 | deadcat | atrus: hahaha. |
| 05:44.11 | atrus | deadcat: my grandmother's computer needs some, and i want to know if it's worth shutting down to donate some :) |
| 05:44.26 | deadcat | atrus: i dont know (= |
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| 05:44.34 | pablum | atrus: if you just want to know the total memory, cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 05:44.35 | deadcat | just make a guess |
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| 05:44.51 | deadcat | type free, but that only tells you how much total. |
| 05:45.28 | atrus | yeah, i've got 512mb total. just not sure if that's 256+256 or 256+128+128 |
| 05:46.27 | deadcat | atrus: i am sure you can open the case without shutting it down |
| 05:46.33 | deadcat | be a man and give it a try |
| 05:46.46 | sunbin | can i download the lastest kernel the compile it |
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| 05:46.50 | pablum | atrus: you can't just pop the cover off and peek inside? |
| 05:46.54 | deadcat | sunbin: kernel.org |
| 05:47.17 | maher | atrus: don't do it! you'll fry for sure! and where's your antistatic bunny suit? |
| 05:47.18 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.20 | atrus | assuming i wasn't terminally lazy, yes. |
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| 05:48.28 | deadcat | maher: nah. i do it all the time |
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| 05:49.15 | atrus | 256+256. oh well. it was partly curiousity anyways. i know memtest86 gets that information somewhere, and was wondering if the kernel exported it too. |
| 05:50.40 | pablum | !poll |
| 05:50.40 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 05:50.53 | pablum | hmm. don't fit |
| 05:51.00 | deadcat | dpkg: no i dont have X and i dont use Y. |
| 05:51.57 | spowers | i've got a non-debian package, meant for sarge, which was linked against libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, and i can't seem to find this in a regular deb package in sarge |
| 05:52.10 | bob2 | that' not meant for sarge |
| 05:52.11 | spowers | (nxclient, by the way) |
| 05:52.16 | bob2 | it's meant for like redhat 6 |
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| 05:52.49 | bob2 | !+redhat crap |
| 05:52.50 | dpkg | well, redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
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| 05:52.55 | bob2 | hm |
| 05:53.03 | bob2 | yeah |
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| 05:53.10 | spowers | wow. you win |
| 05:53.23 | bob2 | maybe redhat 7 then |
| 05:53.33 | bob2 | what's nxclient, anyway?? |
| 05:53.34 | sgeigerbot | ~esr is also perhaps Extended Status Register |
| 05:53.35 | apt | sgeigerbot: okay |
| 05:54.11 | spowers | bob2: nxclient is a pretty good way to run X11 apps over a slow link |
| 05:54.20 | bob2 | ah |
| 05:54.20 | sgeigerbot | bob2: http://freenx.berlios.de |
| 05:54.24 | bob2 | right |
| 05:54.27 | sgeigerbot | bob2: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/freenx/ |
| 05:54.30 | spowers | sort of like citrix only for unix systems |
| 05:54.39 | bob2 | yeah, I know what freenx is |
| 05:54.43 | pablum | berlin? |
| 05:54.50 | bob2 | weird they chose to patch the hell out of xlibs, tho |
| 05:55.06 | spowers | no, i don't think it's wierd at all given what they try to do |
| 05:55.15 | sgeigerbot | spowers: agreed. |
| 05:55.43 | sgeigerbot | Now...what they are trying to do is wierd. :-) |
| 05:55.46 | dimir | Morning. |
| 05:55.52 | spowers | it's sort of like if you take lbxproxy and jack it up to 11 |
| 05:56.29 | spowers | one of my favorite things about nxclient is that when you install it on windows machines, you get a lightweight X server and ssh client (cygwin environment) for free. |
| 05:56.32 | bob2 | oh, as opposed to getting it merged into x.org as an option, I mean |
| 05:56.42 | bob2 | the way they got it to work is pretty clever |
| 05:56.49 | deadcat | bob2: you know whos incharge of xcompmgr and transset? |
| 05:57.01 | bob2 | deadcat: in debian or upstream? |
| 05:57.04 | spowers | well, they have an x proxy and stuff |
| 05:57.09 | deadcat | bob2: debian |
| 05:57.11 | spowers | there are all kinds of x proxies |
| 05:57.18 | pablum | spowers: there is a debian howto on one of those websites sgeigerbot noted. |
| 05:57.23 | spowers | nx is one of the best i've found for that kind of thing |
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| 05:57.32 | spowers | pablum: neat, thanks |
| 05:57.35 | bob2 | deadcat: I dunno, I'm surprisde gravity didn't upload a versin of daniel's ubuntu packages of them |
| 05:57.40 | bob2 | or are they in debian now? |
| 05:58.04 | bob2 | so I guess I mean "no one, but it'd be the XSF's (aka gravity's) problem" |
| 05:58.07 | spowers | i'm using xcompmgr from ubunto on sarge right now |
| 05:58.09 | deadcat | no they arent |
| 05:58.13 | spowers | er ubuntu heh |
| 05:58.19 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:58.28 | spowers | i don't have transset though |
| 05:58.33 | deadcat | spowers: it seems buggy though |
| 05:58.52 | spowers | oh, i'm also using gravity's xorg packages on sarge, heh |
| 05:58.58 | spowers | deadcat: xcompmgr? |
| 05:59.07 | deadcat | spowers: ya |
| 05:59.07 | bob2 | less of a fan, but it intends to be a properly design OS, unlike knoppix |
| 05:59.22 | spowers | i have seen one or two bugs with it |
| 05:59.27 | deadcat | bob2: its the $ issue. |
| 05:59.31 | spowers | like middle click scrolling in firefox |
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| 06:00.29 | sgeigerbot | bob2: It's the liveCD I liked...not necessarily the implementation... |
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| 06:00.41 | jm_ | spowers: are you using NX stuff? |
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| 06:01.49 | spowers | jm_: yes, i'm on my third 30 day server trial |
| 06:02.06 | spowers | it works great for pretending like i'm at work |
| 06:02.36 | spowers | when i'm off in the summers and don't feel like driving the 30 minutes in |
| 06:03.04 | jm_ | spowers: I have one question I was not able to find the answer to in any of the docs I've read - can one do something similar as DISPLAY=blabla clientapp and let it show up on remote NX server? all the docs show how to make the reverse happen |
| 06:03.09 | ForrestF | how can i route all my internet to my SOCKS5 firewall |
| 06:03.27 | saboteur | runsocks ? |
| 06:03.28 | jm_ | ForrestF: there's a kernel module for that, you can find it on freshmeat |
| 06:03.35 | ForrestF | cool! |
| 06:03.42 | ForrestF | you know the name |
| 06:03.43 | jm_ | or just use LD_PRELOAD with your apps |
| 06:03.56 | jm_ | not off top of my head |
| 06:03.57 | ForrestF | ill go with the mod |
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| 06:04.54 | jm_ | ksb.sf.net there it is |
| 06:04.59 | jm_ | Kernel Socks Bouncer |
| 06:05.08 | spowers | jm_: hmm, explain that a different way? i don't know quite what you mean.. like, you want to nxclient to the nx server, and then make things from other (remote, or nx server end) show up on the nx display? |
| 06:06.34 | jm_ | spowers: ok, their documentation explains how to run a single application on the server and have it displayed on the client, I want to do the reverse. Say I can connect to work using telnet/ssh/... and I would run NX server at home and I'd like to start an app at work and have it display on NX server at home |
| 06:07.04 | spowers | ah |
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| 06:07.13 | ForrestF | jim__: does that also work with DNS too |
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| 06:07.27 | jim | hmm? |
| 06:08.05 | chakie_ | hi folks. i'm updating a few months old sid machine, and for some reason aptitude wants to put most packages on "hold" without any explanation. is there any way to find out why that happens? |
| 06:08.10 | ForrestF | jim__: does it route dns resloving too |
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| 06:08.43 | spowers | jm_: you can do that without nx using ssh -X, but it won't be as fast. the part that makes it fast is having nxproxy running on the work end |
| 06:09.19 | jm_ | spowers: well I can't do it because I can't use ssh to connect to work ;) and I have done it with plain X, but it's just too slow so I am wondering if I can do it using NX |
| 06:09.40 | spowers | well, nx uses ssh as a connection method |
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| 06:10.24 | spowers | another trick i used to do before i started using NX is to run Xvnc at work |
| 06:10.36 | spowers | and just leave it going |
| 06:10.49 | sanxiyn | dpkg, test |
| 06:10.50 | dpkg | Sorry, sanxiyn, I didn't get your test. |
| 06:10.51 | jm_ | I can ssh to home machine, that is not a problem, I just have a feeling this is not possible, otherwise someone would explain how to achieve it |
| 06:11.33 | pablum | jm_: could you run your own copy of sshd on an unprivileged port (at work)? |
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| 06:11.37 | kunphuzil | How do I configure X? (something like dpkg-reconfigure x-windw..) |
| 06:11.44 | sanxiyn | !drxx |
| 06:11.44 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! |
| 06:12.09 | kunphuzil | thanks |
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| 06:12.44 | pablum | WhildGurl gets his/her answer and *poof* |
| 06:12.46 | jm_ | pablum: nope, the only possible method to connect is telnet or VPN if one has a laptop with windows on it (what a joke, I know) |
| 06:13.03 | pablum | ew |
| 06:13.27 | kunphuzil | and, what is the command to run the program you get ininitally in the first boot that allows to install X Windows etc.? |
| 06:13.52 | jim | tasksel? |
| 06:14.05 | kunphuzil | i think so |
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| 06:14.31 | kunphuzil | yes thanks |
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| 06:15.44 | kunphuzil | hm, it seems to have changed from what i remember |
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| 06:25.01 | aFlag | what's the best way to install unstable packages on debian sarge? |
| 06:25.33 | EvanCarroll | do you want to purge configurations files left from the package? |
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| 06:27.05 | ricosuave17 | hello |
| 06:27.20 | positrix | is there a "Better Way" to make a custom live cd than dfsbuild? |
| 06:27.57 | nvz | positrix: I don't know wtf dfsbuild is, but there is a package in debian called bootcd that makes live cds |
| 06:28.14 | positrix | !dfs |
| 06:28.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dfs is Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. |
| 06:28.40 | mwilson | aFlag: To not do it at all. |
| 06:28.47 | ricosuave17 | why dont .deb packages work on ubunut |
| 06:28.51 | ricosuave17 | ubuntu |
| 06:28.59 | mwilson | ricosuave17: They do. |
| 06:29.06 | ricosuave17 | not all of them |
| 06:29.07 | pablum | ubu nut. hmmm |
| 06:29.18 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: No, Ubuntu itself uses .deb format. |
| 06:29.28 | mwilson | Of course all of them do. Ubuntu's packages are all .deb |
| 06:29.31 | ricosuave17 | but i have tried certain .deb that dont work |
| 06:29.38 | ricosuave17 | seems there is a difference |
| 06:29.59 | mwilson | ricosuave17: Now, if your *actual* question is why don't Debian packages work on Ubuntu, then the answer should be obvious enough. |
| 06:30.02 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: Where did you get such .deb? |
| 06:30.21 | ricosuave17 | from a gtk theme engine |
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| 06:30.30 | eleusis | g'day |
| 06:30.34 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: Where did you such .deb? |
| 06:30.39 | sanxiyn | get |
| 06:30.55 | mwilson | Since Ubuntu is not Debian, there's no reason to expect any Debian packages to work on Ubuntu. You install such at your own risk. |
| 06:31.09 | ricosuave17 | then what r u supposed to do |
| 06:31.12 | eleusis | heh |
| 06:31.18 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: ? |
| 06:31.23 | mwilson | ricosuave17: Speak English, for one? |
| 06:31.39 | ricosuave17 | i mean if u installing .deb is a risk then waht r u supposed to use |
| 06:31.41 | pablum | !ubuntusmite ricosuave17 |
| 06:31.59 | mwilson | ricosuave17: You're still not speaking English. |
| 06:32.04 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: You are supposed to be on your own. |
| 06:32.12 | ricosuave17 | what do u mean |
| 06:32.16 | pablum | ... thought it'd be something different. Never mind. (was expecting something about naked people) |
| 06:32.29 | mwilson | !u |
| 06:32.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:32.31 | eleusis | wasn't it ian murdock who was saying that ubuntu should maintain compatibility with debian, so that deb packages work on both systems..? :P |
| 06:32.44 | maher | ricosuave17: try rebuilding the deb from source |
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| 06:33.01 | ricosuave17 | how do i do that |
| 06:33.04 | sanxiyn | eleusis: Well, I don't think that's too practical... |
| 06:33.32 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: man apt-get. |
| 06:33.48 | ricosuave17 | well it wont let me how to rebuild the .deb |
| 06:33.59 | maher | eleusis: murdock is obsessed with binary compatibility, probably because he wishes to earn a living selling oracle supprt or something, but unfortunately free sw people don't care about binary compatibility for obvious reasons |
| 06:34.15 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: apt-get source --build. |
| 06:34.15 | eleusis | i'm neither a debian developer nor an ubuntu developer, so i don't know about the practicalities in this situation, but as a user, i'd really like it if i could use packages on both systems |
| 06:34.27 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: You could find out that yourself by reading the manual. |
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| 06:34.53 | eleusis | maher: there's a whole heap of opinion and generalisation in that statement :P |
| 06:34.59 | maher | eleusis: yes |
| 06:35.00 | bilbo_b | can someone give me an update on the status of libfam0, apart from GCC 4 ABI update? :) |
| 06:35.16 | ricosuave17 | but it will give me more info then i need |
| 06:35.19 | sanxiyn | maher: Well, Mozilla foundation seems to care much about binary compat (also C++ ABI). |
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| 06:35.35 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: apt-get source --build. |
| 06:35.46 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: Don't complain if it doesn't work. |
| 06:35.49 | ricosuave17 | in source u mean the file name? |
| 06:35.52 | eleusis | atm i'm using KDE packages from ubuntu because libaspell is broken on sid and this makes debian kde packages uninstallable :( |
| 06:35.54 | maher | eleusis: most packages for debian/ubuntu should build from source on the other one - the ones that don't probably have api issues anyway which could never be solved by binary compatbility plans |
| 06:35.57 | bilbo_b | installing libfam0 wants to remove half of the universe.. yet i need it for libfam0-dev ? and i need that to be able to rebuild kdelibs4 .. phew |
| 06:36.05 | eleusis | mhm |
| 06:36.11 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: If you want to build a package named XYZ from source, do "apt-get source --build XYZ". Understood? |
| 06:36.22 | ricosuave17 | ok dokey dont get mad |
| 06:36.49 | eleusis | anyone here happen to know what the konqueror plugin is called, that lets you see files and directories as rectangular blocks, based on their size? |
| 06:36.54 | eleusis | kind of like spacemonger.. |
| 06:37.39 | ricosuave17 | it says it cant find a source package |
| 06:37.39 | ValheruLord | ricosuave17, #ubuntu |
| 06:38.08 | ValheruLord | aFlag, apt-get -t unstable packagename |
| 06:38.25 | maher | bilbo_b: just put stuff onhold |
| 06:38.32 | pablum | if size were directly correlated with the importance of a file then its visibility relative to other files might have been a useful feature. |
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| 06:38.46 | bilbo_b | maher: too late.. installed the new libs ages ago and heaps of things that depend on them :p |
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| 06:39.12 | maher | bilbo_b: welcome to unstable - try rebuilding from source or wait a bit |
| 06:39.22 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: You need to have deb-src line in your sources.list, of course. |
| 06:39.36 | ricosuave17 | what is the complete name of this repostery |
| 06:39.38 | bilbo_b | maher: i've been waiting for 2 weeks for this one problem ;) |
| 06:39.39 | maher | bilbo_b: or i gues you could retrieve older versions from snapshot.debian.org |
| 06:39.39 | Nocturno | hi |
| 06:39.54 | bilbo_b | maher: yes i thought of that too.. but it becomes very difficult |
| 06:39.55 | sanxiyn | ricosuave17: #debian is not a spoon-feeding room. |
| 06:40.05 | pablum | positrix: do you have the battery module (and acpi) installed? |
| 06:40.13 | ricosuave17 | i know im just curious cuase im trying to jabber at the same time |
| 06:40.27 | maher | bilbo_b: if the abi change exposes bugs in the sw then it may be some time before the rebuilds work... |
| 06:40.27 | ValheruLord | sanxiyn, +1 |
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| 06:40.52 | sanxiyn | eleusis: I found http://www.audiohq.de/articles/speicherplatz/filelight_4.png , but couldn't find what it's called? |
| 06:40.57 | maher | bilbo_b: or if the new toolchain just has a bunch of random bugs... |
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| 06:41.01 | positrix | pablum: yes. lastnight it wouldnt chargeto morethan 38%, then 35%.... it justkept dropping, and nowits dead. |
| 06:41.04 | sanxiyn | elements: Looks interesting indeed. |
| 06:41.10 | sanxiyn | Oops, wrong person. |
| 06:41.37 | pablum | positrix: and the battery's all the way in? :) |
| 06:41.38 | positrix | pablum: infact i thinkthiswhole laptop isfucked, thespace bar is broken. |
| 06:42.05 | eleusis | sanxiyn: hm, yeah, that's the one.. |
| 06:42.05 | pablum | positrix: couldn't have been those chips you were eating? |
| 06:42.13 | maher | sanxiyn: not sure its useful - but kinda cute... |
| 06:42.28 | positrix | pablum: yesits all the way in. i have an ledon the frontsayingthebattery is there,andits charging |
| 06:43.11 | eleusis | aha! |
| 06:43.13 | eleusis | fsviewpart |
| 06:44.15 | Nocturno | any in this channel a GAMERs? |
| 06:44.32 | eleusis | i play games, does that count? :P |
| 06:44.35 | pablum | stupid app... should use access dates instead of file size, or somthing. |
| 06:44.51 | eleusis | pablum: hm? |
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| 06:45.18 | sanxiyn | pablum: Maybe, but idea of using treemap is interesting anyhow. |
| 06:45.29 | positrix | Nocturno: i have an infocom emulator andsome roms, does that count? |
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| 06:45.33 | pablum | sanxiyn: yes. |
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| 06:45.46 | pablum | sanxiyn: for other applications. |
| 06:45.59 | eleusis | why access dates? |
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| 06:46.39 | Skaja | debian net install wont see my modem |
| 06:46.46 | deadcat | Skaja: what kind? |
| 06:46.47 | sanxiyn | Skaja: Too bad... |
| 06:46.54 | deadcat | ^^ better answer |
| 06:47.01 | eleusis | :) |
| 06:47.01 | pablum | eleusis: because size alone isn't a determinant of the files importance, and for that to be a useful app the size a file occupies on the screen should reflect its importance to you. |
| 06:47.14 | Skaja | i have a actiontec pci call waiting modem |
| 06:47.33 | pablum | a readme gets buried next to a bunch of .iso's for example. |
| 06:47.41 | positrix | Skaja: you're trying to net installwitha MODEM? |
| 06:47.42 | eleusis | pablum: um, maybe it's useful if you simply want to see what's taking up space on your disk, rather than some fuzzy concept of 'importance'? :P |
| 06:47.51 | sanxiyn | pablum: I can imagine some use of file-size treemap. |
| 06:47.56 | Skaja | yes |
| 06:48.20 | pablum | sanxiyn: but how often are you looking in a directory for that reason? |
| 06:48.26 | Skaja | none of the linux distros i have wont see the modem |
| 06:48.26 | Nocturno | eleusiues: what games playing now ? wow? |
| 06:48.27 | sanxiyn | (Like, who's mp3s are taking up most disk space, etc.) |
| 06:48.29 | makki_mmx | Skaja: wow, and how long do you think that will take ? |
| 06:48.41 | Skaja | dont know |
| 06:49.01 | eleusis | Nocturno: i play Enemy Territory fairly often |
| 06:49.35 | sanxiyn | I tried NetHack, but never ascended. |
| 06:49.41 | Nocturno | eleusis: is that on line ? |
| 06:49.53 | eleusis | i use the fsviewpart view when looking for useless large files to delete, not when normally browsing through directories.. |
| 06:49.56 | eleusis | Nocturno: yes |
| 06:49.59 | sanxiyn | I also played Dungeon Crawl (NetHack-alike) |
| 06:51.31 | pablum | du -s is much clearer just for file size... |
| 06:51.34 | Skaja | my modem supporta windows , dos , os/2 , linux |
| 06:52.07 | Nocturno | does anny body use mac(macintosh)? |
| 06:52.19 | Coke | ha ha ha! : |
| 06:52.30 | sanxiyn | pablum: You don't see multiple depths with that. |
| 06:52.30 | positrix | Skaja: downloadingjust a moderate selection of packeagesis goingto be about a gig. thats about 11 days on a modem. |
| 06:52.38 | Coke | Nocturno has the nicest spelling along with the nicest question ever! |
| 06:52.54 | Coke | bullcrap! |
| 06:52.59 | Nocturno | huehuehuheu ... :)) |
| 06:53.06 | Skaja | oh ok then i cant do that eather |
| 06:53.08 | Nocturno | yap coke |
| 06:53.16 | Coke | You can DL Debian < 50Mb and get away with it |
| 06:53.23 | sanxiyn | Nocturno: I believe some #debianppc people does. |
| 06:53.32 | Nocturno | ic |
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| 06:54.23 | Coke | Skaja: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
| 06:54.35 | Coke | Skaja: it's a maximum of 180Mb. |
| 06:54.53 | Skaja | i have the cd all set |
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| 06:55.00 | Coke | Skaja: what do you need your GNU system for? If you're just setting up a firewall you could get away with something even smaller. |
| 06:55.07 | Coke | Skaja: so what's the problem with the modem? |
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| 06:55.45 | Skaja | i use kppp the dial up connection cant find the modem |
| 06:55.49 | nvz | I just got my stupid ass shocked 8P |
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| 06:56.56 | mdh | nvz: I'd ask if it feels any les stupid now, but I guess it isn't really feeling anything at all |
| 06:57.45 | nvz | you'd think I'd feel like taking them bitches out of there before it happens again :P |
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| 06:59.29 | user_ | howd do you find what package version is installed? |
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| 06:59.39 | k-man | whats the smallest image one can download for a fresh debian install? |
| 06:59.40 | Skaja | i tryed all of the modem ports and it still wont work |
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| 07:00.16 | nvz | k-man: well if you mean cd image.. its around 30mb |
| 07:00.34 | mdh | user_: dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 07:00.36 | positrix | Skaja: this is going to soundlike astupid question, but it's not a winmodem, is it? |
| 07:00.37 | k-man | nvz, oh... yeah, i mean cd image... what do i look for? |
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| 07:01.04 | nvz | k-man: netinstall business card iso, for i386 is around 30mb |
| 07:01.12 | k-man | ah, thanks |
| 07:01.17 | Skaja | no it should not be |
| 07:01.21 | user_ | mdh thanks |
| 07:01.41 | mdh | k-man: get the standard netinst iso. it's a little bigger than 30 though I think, but has the base packages on it (the business-card one needs to pull that down off the network) |
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| 07:02.02 | nvz | *shrug* all i know is there are ones with or without base |
| 07:02.04 | k-man | mdh, oh, ok |
| 07:02.46 | mdh | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 07:03.21 | mdh | Skaja: when you 'lspci' does it show? |
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| 07:03.45 | k-man | mdh, should i bother with a testing image? |
| 07:03.59 | k-man | or are they a little too bleeding edge? |
| 07:04.05 | Skaja | what is a ispci |
| 07:04.07 | mdh | k-man: no |
| 07:04.31 | spowers | oh man |
| 07:04.37 | spowers | freenx server is the bomb |
| 07:04.38 | mdh | Skaja: "lspci" is a tool. you run it. it tells you stuff. |
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| 07:05.11 | pablum | haha... I love irssi! Ctl-P didn't do what I expected (history scroll) but it moves between windows. |
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| 07:05.51 | mdh | pablum: you can bind the keys to do whatever you want |
| 07:06.04 | Skaja | how do i run ispci |
| 07:06.20 | dimir | /sbin/lspci |
| 07:06.30 | wobbler | Skaja here is a site with some usefull info on your modem http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-40099.html |
| 07:06.36 | pablum | mdh, no I like the defaults! |
| 07:06.42 | dimir | run it with '-v' and you will get more information, '-vv' - even more, '-vvv' ... |
| 07:06.47 | mdh | Skaja: you put your left arm in, your left arm out, your left arm in, and you shake it all about |
| 07:07.26 | Skaja | hay that makes me look like a retard |
| 07:07.29 | dimir | wow, me got it in /usr/bin/lspci :-) |
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| 07:07.47 | dimir | used to be in /sbin AFAIR :-/ |
| 07:08.07 | mdh | dimir: nope, its not required to boot |
| 07:08.30 | dimir | mdh: or was it a RedCap box :-) |
| 07:08.46 | dimir | well, accourding to FHS and LSB - yep |
| 07:09.09 | binghe | '/bin/lspci' is in package 'pciutils' |
| 07:09.21 | mdh | Redhat would probably require you to copmile it yourself and install in /usr/local along with everything else useful |
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| 07:09.45 | dimir | binghe: anyway it's a link to /usr/bin/lspci |
| 07:10.06 | dimir | mdh: hehe, well, the RPM's go to /usr always ;-) |
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| 07:10.20 | dimir | they have it in RPM macros |
| 07:10.32 | deadcat | ah.. rsvp (= |
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| 07:11.41 | mdh | RPM = Redhat: "Pleasured" by Microsoft |
| 07:12.01 | dimir | yeah, it's too americanish :-P |
| 07:12.09 | deadcat | mdh: please explain more on the rpm thing |
| 07:12.41 | mdh | why? |
| 07:12.46 | deadcat | i dont get it |
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| 07:14.37 | Skaja | does debian have a hardware database |
| 07:14.53 | deadcat | Skaja: no |
| 07:15.52 | pablum | linux does... |
| 07:16.04 | dimir | yeah, poor Skaja, modem connection in GNU/Linux is always PITA, especially with winmodems :-P |
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| 07:16.25 | Skaja | its a hardware modem |
| 07:17.39 | makki_mmx | Skaja: That means you can launch minicom and talk to the modem ? |
| 07:17.58 | wobbler | Skaja: your modem should use /dev/ttyS4 on the 2.4 kernel but it may not work on 2.6 because it wont to use /dev/ttyS14 |
| 07:19.00 | Skaja | ok i will be back |
| 07:19.22 | litage | how do i md5-encrypt a password for use with grub? |
| 07:19.50 | mdh | litage: grub-md5-crypt |
| 07:20.04 | litage | thanks mdh |
| 07:20.33 | mdh | amazing what happens when you type grub and hit type |
| 07:20.39 | mdh | s/type/tab/ |
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| 07:21.00 | litage | mdh: for me, nothing |
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| 07:21.42 | mdh | bash? ugh. |
| 07:21.55 | litage | mdh: why ugh? |
| 07:21.56 | pablum | ugh? |
| 07:22.50 | pablum | !start a shell war |
| 07:22.50 | dpkg | pdksh owns posh |
| 07:22.54 | golly | can anyone suggest a program that works well in Debian to make Video DVD from a bunch of AVI files? |
| 07:23.27 | krystalino | is there a tool to make a web site known for google ? |
| 07:23.52 | golly | krystalino: I'm after Debian recommendations, not snide remarks |
| 07:24.01 | pablum | krystalino: yeah, get all your friends and connections to talk about it on their web sites. |
| 07:24.27 | mdh | krystalino: I get email from such tools all the time |
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| 07:24.54 | mdh | in fact, I get email from a lot of tools |
| 07:24.56 | pablum | mdh: heheh |
| 07:25.20 | mdh | making hanging out here on a sunday seem not so bad |
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| 07:25.35 | golly | mdh: is it Sunday where you are? |
| 07:25.43 | krystalino | talking about spam mdh ? |
| 07:25.50 | mdh | golly: not anymore. |
| 07:26.00 | mdh | !tell golly -about permasunday |
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| 07:26.35 | mdh | krystalino: not necessarily ;) |
| 07:26.36 | golly | mdh: ah yes, very good |
| 07:26.54 | golly | mdh: allways like a permasunday |
| 07:27.47 | user_ruser | hey, i've just intalled ion tiled window manager.. i want ot keep kde at the same time... however i don't quite understand how do i start ion i've tried few different things.. but when i run xdm... it fails to find a display on >> Could not connect to X display ':0' |
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| 07:27.54 | ronino | hello |
| 07:28.06 | ronino | in what file can i read what runlevel is the current default one? |
| 07:28.26 | pablum | ronino: telinit might work |
| 07:28.32 | mdh | ronino: /etc/inittab |
| 07:28.37 | pablum | nope |
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| 07:29.38 | mdh | ronino: and running 'ps aux' will show you in square brackets the runlevel the system is in (next to the entry for init) |
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| 07:29.57 | mdh | ps aux | head -2 |
| 07:30.47 | ronino | pablum, mdh: hmm, okay, i'm just trying to fix my system, booting from a rescue system, that means the system i need to get the runlevel of is not running now |
| 07:30.48 | pablum | ah, ronino: runlevel |
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| 07:30.57 | john | wow |
| 07:31.00 | user_ruser | has anyone installed ion (tiled WM) i have troubles starting it |
| 07:31.18 | mdh | ronino: mount it's root filesystem, read its /etc/inittab |
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| 07:31.26 | john | i'm having some problems now. i used to use the host of "blackrain.datadrain.org" - now i need to switch it. What files to i need to edit. I thought just /etc/hosts file |
| 07:31.29 | ronino | mdh: okay, thx |
| 07:31.30 | pablum | ronino: that would be /etc/inittab |
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| 07:31.46 | mdh | pablum: which I said back in the beginning :P |
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| 07:32.00 | pablum | mdh: ok... |
| 07:32.13 | mdh | john: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:32.39 | mdh | john: and the config files of any services including an IP address, eg apache, snort, nagios, .... |
| 07:33.16 | mdh | time for me to make like a drunk on a bridge... and piss off |
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| 07:33.51 | Coke | Could any BASH users confirm a bug in either unstable, testing or stable whether or not environment variables are escaped for file commands. When I type cd $USE<tab> it complets to cd \$USER instead of cd $USER. I filed a bug weeks ago, but it has gotten no response, does this bug exist in stable and/or unstable too? |
| 07:34.21 | user_ruser | Coke on mine it is not escaped |
| 07:34.34 | Coke | user_ruser: what version of BASH and Debian are you usnig? |
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| 07:35.00 | user_ruser | Coke debian 3.1 GNU bash, version 3.00.16(1)-release (i386-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 07:35.08 | Coke | user_ruser: same as me. |
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| 07:39.27 | risel | hiiiiiiiiii............ |
| 07:40.47 | Coke | Hm. How can I make apt-get install --reinstall bash _with_ configuration files? |
| 07:40.58 | jm_ | Coke: use dpkg |
| 07:41.10 | Coke | dpkg -i <deb> ? |
| 07:41.20 | Coke | yep, that's the one! |
| 07:41.23 | jm_ | no, -i won't install config files |
| 07:41.26 | john | i'm having a problem with ".DCOPserver" with KDE apps |
| 07:41.33 | jm_ | you need --force options, use --force-help |
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| 07:42.05 | nvz | jm_: I think the hammer implies force 9P |
| 07:42.12 | nvz | 8P |
| 07:42.14 | Coke | aha, confmiss. |
| 07:42.19 | Coke | jm_: can't this be passed to apt? |
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| 07:42.56 | Zap-W | say i am trying to run a command as a different user /bin/su zapw -c "/usr/blah" but it fails with " su must be run from a terminal" any alternatives? |
| 07:44.00 | Coke | Damn, it's the same file. |
| 07:44.29 | Coke | jm_: what version of Debian are you running? |
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| 07:45.22 | john | anybody know anything about the "dcopserver" |
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| 07:46.10 | Coke | Could someone confirm that BASH completion for "cd $USER" does not escape the environment variable dollar char. The date of my /etc/bash_completion is 2005-05-25 14:59. |
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| 07:47.35 | deadcat | Coke: it escapes it |
| 07:47.42 | deadcat | --<deadcat@hades>-<(=>-- cd \$USER |
| 07:48.11 | Coke | That's just plain wrong. |
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| 07:48.38 | Coke | Some guy named user_ruser had it working correctly. |
| 07:48.43 | deadcat | Coke: ya. it escapes alot of stuff which i find it weird. espeically ssh user@someremoteser<tab> |
| 07:49.22 | litage | would the easiest way to prevent logging in as root while still allowing `su` to work be to comment out every line in /etc/securetty, or is there an easier/better way of doing it? |
| 07:49.29 | pablum | um, without hardware acceleration, glxgears gives me !650fps. Is that good? |
| 07:49.46 | deadcat | pablum: ya. i get ~700fps on my radeon |
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| 07:50.15 | deadcat | i hope thats enough for xcomposite in the future (= |
| 07:50.17 | Coke | patofiero: about five times the FPS I got from my old 3dfx |
| 07:50.46 | deadcat | Coke: what driveR? |
| 07:51.18 | Coke | deadcat: the one that worked with 2.2 kernels |
| 07:51.29 | pablum | Coke: irssi won't give you that nicktab blues. |
| 07:51.50 | Coke | pablum: whut? the tab completion problem is in BASH |
| 07:52.04 | Zap-W | what can i use to run different apps as different users |
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| 07:52.29 | pablum | Coke: you called me patofiero a minute ago.. that TAB completion. |
| 07:52.35 | Coke | someone who can cd $USE and get an unescaped cd $USER, I'd appreciate it a lot if I could get my hands on that /etc/bash_completion file. |
| 07:52.46 | pablum | Coke: irssi does it more intelligently |
| 07:52.54 | Coke | I use irssi |
| 07:53.09 | Coke | and I think it has one of the most stupid tab-completions ever |
| 07:53.31 | Coke | if two nicks are the same it just takes the one that was last seen in the channel instead of presenting me with the alternatives. |
| 07:53.56 | dondelelcaro | Coke: just press tab again. |
| 07:54.01 | pablum | Coke: but you didn't get my name... interesting. Coke taking the last name is a feature for which I abandoned my previous irc client. |
| 07:54.03 | dondelelcaro | Coke: it's not like it's that difficult |
| 07:54.12 | eleusis | :) |
| 07:55.08 | mwilson | I remember someone whining about bash escaping dollar signs once before. |
| 07:55.45 | jm_ | Coke: Sarge from Septmeber or so |
| 07:55.50 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: Cyis sign up to volunteer on wed (LWCE), his laptop is NICE (=.. |
| 07:56.26 | jm_ | Coke: hmm last time I tried this it didn't use \$, now it does ;) |
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| 07:57.01 | mwilson | pablum: he has some reason to belive that cd $USE<tab> should return cd $USER rather than cd \$USER |
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| 07:58.09 | HAMM3R | can someone help me with a ssh problem? |
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| 07:58.21 | dabaR | what is the problem? |
| 07:58.26 | mwilson | Do we have to guess what the problem is? |
| 07:58.28 | user_ | how would one go about chaing the defualt window manager? |
| 07:58.45 | deadcat | HAMM3R: no you need -T option. |
| 07:58.45 | mwilson | Define "default window manager". |
| 07:58.46 | HAMM3R | please look in #flood |
| 07:59.07 | deadcat | user_: you using any display manager? |
| 07:59.18 | user_ | mwilson say i have kde installed. and i want to try out some other WM without actually getting rid of WM? |
| 07:59.28 | user_ | mwilson getting rid of KDE * |
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| 07:59.48 | jm_ | user_: Xnest |
| 07:59.51 | deadcat | user_: install a display manager like kdm/gdm and select from session |
| 07:59.52 | mwilson | user_: (a) KDE isn't a window manager, (b) so launch whatever you want to use instead of KDE. |
| 08:00.15 | jm_ | or just use startx to test one at a time |
| 08:00.23 | HAMM3R | i posted the log from Bitvise Tunnelier in #flood |
| 08:00.34 | HAMM3R | i have an error when connecting to my ssh over a LAN |
| 08:00.36 | Coke | dondelelcaro: yes, it is difficult because when it completes I think that that was the only alternative. |
| 08:00.42 | floppyears | user_: install wathever you want and when your login manager comes up choose the wm or desktop environment. |
| 08:00.43 | user_ | mwilson sorry, i'm not knowelagable in that subject. KDE is what then? |
| 08:00.48 | Coke | dondelelcaro: the behaviour in IRSSI is not consistent with the behaviour I'm used with in BASH |
| 08:00.52 | floppyears | user_: desktop environment |
| 08:01.00 | user_ | okay, wel, i wnat to try ion |
| 08:01.04 | dabaR | user_: using kdm at all, do you get a login screen when you boot, a graphical one? |
| 08:01.11 | dondelelcaro | Coke: well, now you know; and that's not unusual. irssi only has one line to display this sort of thing, displaying everything would suck. |
| 08:01.14 | Coke | pablum: if you ever figure out how to turn that feature of I'd like to know how. |
| 08:01.21 | floppyears | it manages windows, borders, controls, icons, + it has a range of different kapps such as koffice, kcontrol, etc |
| 08:01.22 | deadcat | user_: apt-get istall ion, startx /usr/bin/ion |
| 08:01.23 | user_ | dabaR yes, i've been using xdm and kde for a while now |
| 08:01.40 | dabaR | user_: does xdm havve a sessions button? |
| 08:01.47 | user_ | dabaR no |
| 08:01.48 | mwilson | Somehow I really doubt you're using xdm and KDE together. |
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| 08:02.09 | user_ | mwilson well, i have xdm login screen, when i login it starts kde for me |
| 08:02.10 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I'd rather have it not display the alternatives, but just refuse complete would be better for me. I write > 300 CPS, I don't have time to read what I write. |
| 08:02.21 | HAMM3R | i cannot connect to my ssh over a LAN. Bitwise tunnelier gives me this error: |
| 08:02.21 | user_ | mwilson if i'm not mistaken |
| 08:02.22 | HAMM3R | 03:56:23.994 Session terminated on client's behalf:SSH_DISCONNECT_NO_MORE_AUTH_METHODS_AVAILABLEno authentication methods available |
| 08:02.25 | dabaR | user_: hm...install gdm, then:) I mean, that is what I use, and it has a sessions button from which you can choose among installed wms. |
| 08:02.34 | user_ | dabaR i dont' want gdm |
| 08:02.39 | user_ | :) |
| 08:02.40 | Coke | jm_: what date is your /etc/bash_completion from? |
| 08:02.41 | dabaR | user deadcat told you above what you could do. |
| 08:02.58 | mwilson | No, it has a Sessions button from which you can choose among installed session files. |
| 08:03.00 | user_ | deadcat what about without login on the console? (the last part startx) |
| 08:03.03 | dondelelcaro | Coke: either you use tab completion and you check the output, or you don't, and you type the full nick. It's fairly straightforward. |
| 08:03.11 | user_ | mwilson xmd that is? |
| 08:03.12 | mwilson | Not all window manager packages drop a gdm session file. |
| 08:03.23 | dondelelcaro | Coke: that being said, you've got the source. If you really don't like it, change it. It's not all that difficult to change. |
| 08:03.23 | deadcat | user_: install kdm or gdm |
| 08:03.33 | jm_ | Coke: doesn't matter, it does \$BLA for me too now |
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| 08:03.55 | user_ | deadcat and if i do not want to use any of these for any particular reason? |
| 08:04.11 | deadcat | user_: then startx |
| 08:04.25 | user_ | deadcat how come xdm starts kde for me? |
| 08:04.31 | Coke | dondelelcaro: everything is had to fix with Perl. :) |
| 08:04.32 | pablum | wow, I only type 50wpm |
| 08:04.43 | deadcat | user_: dpkg -L xdm |
| 08:04.43 | Coke | unless you wrote the original code and know by heart what it does. |
| 08:05.06 | user_ | deadcat care to join flood? |
| 08:05.21 | deadcat | Coke: not true. i still have to look it up, but when i wrote the thing i was cool with it |
| 08:05.23 | dabaR | mwilson: hey, I noticed that before, only some make taht file. Anyhow, It works for me here...Im not ready to help anyone yet:) |
| 08:05.25 | deadcat | user_: no |
| 08:05.37 | user_ | deadcat uhm... i'm form console atm so i can't just copy paste |
| 08:05.38 | Coke | jm_: ha-haaa! a'la Nelson :) |
| 08:06.03 | jm_ | Coke: I remember it working like you want last time you asked about it ;) |
| 08:06.10 | user_ | deadcat or i'm not quote following you what exactly do you expect me to do with this cmd? |
| 08:06.16 | dondelelcaro | Coke: that part isn't even written in perl. |
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| 08:07.02 | deadcat | user_: "startx /usr/bin/ion -- :1 |
| 08:07.09 | deadcat | no " |
| 08:07.47 | user_ | deadcat so, you want me to paste you results to some site? |
| 08:08.01 | deadcat | no |
| 08:08.37 | Coke | dondelelcaro: yeah, maybe I'm thinking of BitchX or something. |
| 08:09.07 | user_ | deadcat then what do you want me to do with the output of dpkg -L xdm? |
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| 08:09.11 | Coke | how does BitchX handle nick completion? |
| 08:09.22 | user_ | Coke looks good to me |
| 08:09.30 | deadcat | user_: look for a file that allow you to change the default kde or something |
| 08:09.36 | pablum | Coke: with a segfault |
| 08:09.42 | Coke | he. |
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| 08:10.28 | Coke | Well, IRSSI does everything else rather like I want it so I'm not about to toss it on account of an inconsistency with BASH. |
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| 09:47.21 | NET||abuse | i still have the console login on screen?? |
| 09:47.53 | man_in_shack | Caeies[taff], takes me to http://libusb.sourceforge.net/download.html#stable as expected |
| 09:47.59 | yoh__ | Hi Friends! |
| 09:48.00 | m4lu7 | NET||abuse, is X running? |
| 09:48.01 | NeoXan | damn, no more icetea |
| 09:48.13 | man_in_shack | yoh__, hi guy i don't know! |
| 09:48.28 | yoh__ | Does anyone remember when (what date) unstable was fine in terms of installation of kde/gimp etc |
| 09:48.41 | NET||abuse | m4lu7: nah, doesn't seem to be |
| 09:48.49 | man_in_shack | hell no :) |
| 09:48.58 | yoh__ | now I believe due to recent libraries migrations everything is %ed... so I think to download from snapshot. |
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| 09:49.13 | m4lu7 | NET||abuse, well then. |
| 09:49.13 | yoh__ | so I need a date... 2 month ago?? 1 month? :-) |
| 09:49.45 | man_in_shack | or you could use sarge |
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| 09:49.59 | yoh__ | man_in_shack, you could know me if you were here yesterday around the same time -- I was crying out laud for help :-) I broke server remotely badly... managed to fix it after all ;-) |
| 09:50.20 | NET||abuse | damn it, why does compaq still not ship dvd drives as default... |
| 09:50.26 | NET||abuse | comp->HP |
| 09:50.29 | man_in_shack | hehe |
| 09:50.31 | Caeies[taff] | man_in_shack, thanks |
| 09:50.41 | yoh__ | main_in_shack, probably downgrade on the rest of packages will not go smooth... I'm afraid... I can try though |
| 09:50.54 | man_in_shack | my server went down a couple of days ago. hdd problems, fortunately just a loose connection ;) |
| 09:50.55 | NeoXan | YOu are Just bitches |
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| 09:51.09 | yoh__ | man_in_shack: sarge? I hope you meant testing (etch) |
| 09:51.41 | yoh__ | man_in_shack, I had bad luck on hdds last week - both laptop and desktop drives went to heaven :-/ |
| 09:51.41 | man_in_shack | wouldn't etch be almost as bad as sid now? |
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| 09:51.59 | man_in_shack | yoh__, i've had bad luck in the past |
| 09:52.07 | yoh__ | friends of mine seems to manage installing everything a few days ago, so I believe problems didn't penetrate etch yet |
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| 09:53.17 | yoh__ | btw - anyone using hugin? |
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| 09:55.00 | man_in_shack | well i'm gonna load up xorg |
| 09:55.01 | ronino | i am having an AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+ and want to update to kernel 2.6.11, shall i use kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on 386.)? there doesn't seem to be a special kernel image for amd besides k7, and kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 seems to be only for pentiums (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), what do you recommend? |
| 09:55.05 | man_in_shack | see ya soon i hope |
| 09:55.29 | yoh__ | man_in_shack: I've tried xorg long ago taking it from ubuntu... and now it installed without problems in unstable |
| 09:55.32 | man_in_shack | ronino, use the k7 one |
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| 09:55.38 | Caeies[taff] | ronino, take a look at k7 images |
| 09:55.47 | Caeies[taff] | and 686 at least |
| 09:55.50 | man_in_shack | yoh__, ubuntu's one never installed for me |
| 09:55.54 | man_in_shack | but cya soon |
| 09:56.00 | yoh__ | ronino, yeap - k7 should work |
| 09:56.33 | ronino | man_in_shack, Caeies[taff], yoh__: okay, on your responsibility ;-) |
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| 09:56.42 | yoh__ | kde 3.4 -- tried that one? /it doesn't install in unstable at the moment as well :-/ |
| 09:56.44 | Ronin | ahh haaa thats why im getting all that highlighting from here |
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| 09:59.13 | nikola | what package contains raidhotadd? |
| 09:59.27 | elirips | hello. i have here an old sony vaio laptop. i installed sarge on it. it boots fine, but as soon as i have any pcmcia-card in the slot, it hangs during boot-up, while starting the hotplug subsystem. last line i see is: Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22; options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm]. any ideas whats going wrong? |
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| 10:00.47 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
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| 10:01.29 | JohnFlux | does anyone know of a way to run a program as root from a program? Some way I can do "vfork(); execve_as_root(..); |
| 10:01.31 | JohnFlux | or something |
| 10:01.44 | JohnFlux | the password being supplied as a string |
| 10:01.52 | yoh__ | elirips: I remember having the same problem with sid... upgrade of kernel helped me... you are on 2.6.8? |
| 10:02.05 | JohnFlux | can a progam elevate its own privillages in any way? |
| 10:02.10 | overnout | JohnFlux: configure sudo to do it |
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| 10:03.28 | petemc | elirips: i ran into a problem on an intel chipset before, the pcmcia init script would hang the machine, was a problem with it probing memory ranges |
| 10:03.39 | JohnFlux | overnout: is sudo fairly cross platform? |
| 10:04.26 | elirips | yoh__: i am on 2.4.27 right now. trying to update to 2.6.8, hoping that will help. |
| 10:04.33 | overnout | JohnFlux: works on most unixlike systems |
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| 10:04.58 | yoh__ | elirips: good luck :) |
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| 10:05.35 | JohnFlux | overnout: thanks |
| 10:05.52 | elirips | yoh__: really strange, now i rebooted the machinge, now it boots up with kernel 2.4.x and even already configures the network(?) |
| 10:05.56 | yoh__ | what channel about debian security? |
| 10:06.02 | overnout | JohnFlux: bt if you want to integrate it into a program .. there must be libs doing the user/password interaction |
| 10:06.17 | yoh__ | elirips: so did it "hanged" just once? |
| 10:06.27 | JohnFlux | overnout: it's for the kde program that shows when you press ctrl+esc - task manager style |
| 10:06.41 | JohnFlux | overnout: it works as a gui - daemon |
| 10:06.54 | yoh__ | I now experience about a minute hang out some times on hotplug after resuming from hybernation... |
| 10:07.12 | Saw^ | How do I get Alt Gr to work, it suddenly started to work just as alt |
| 10:07.14 | JohnFlux | overnout: usually I could use kdesu to bring up a dialog, but I can't do that from the daemon - it's C only and it could be on a remote machine |
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| 10:08.02 | nkuttler | Saw^: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 10:08.16 | rixth | Eugh, after 8 days (I know, big deal), of uptime, a reboot is nigh. |
| 10:08.21 | JohnFlux | overnout: i'm thinking of bringing up a gui for the password, then transmitting the password across the network.. :( |
| 10:08.32 | m4lu7 | rixth, NOOOO! |
| 10:08.34 | m4lu7 | don't do it! |
| 10:08.48 | JohnFlux | overnout: but then I have to think of a way to encypt it etc. hum. |
| 10:08.52 | overnout | JohnFlux: you should read about pam then |
| 10:08.55 | elirips | yoh__: it "hanged" twice now: first i booted with a cdrom attached. it hanged. then i booted with network-card attached. it hanged. i rebooted, with the network-card still in the slot, it didn't hang. |
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| 10:09.02 | rixth | m4lu6, Nautilus is broken (won't open any folders), rhythmbox takes 20sec to open, things just get sluggish! |
| 10:09.08 | m4lu7 | my primary dev server, it arrived 52 days ago. i know this, because we have 51 days of uptime on it :) |
| 10:09.15 | rixth | haha |
| 10:09.16 | JohnFlux | overnout: I know a bit about pam, but what in particular are you thinking? |
| 10:09.17 | yoh__ | Is ypbind supposed to jump from one port to another? tiger complains about that constantly... |
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| 10:09.30 | JohnFlux | yoh__: tiger? |
| 10:09.42 | m4lu7 | rebooting because nautilis is sluggish. what a waste. |
| 10:09.43 | yoh__ | JohnFlux: apt-cache show tiger |
| 10:09.51 | m4lu7 | i hope he didn't have anything important in /tmp ;) |
| 10:10.05 | overnout | JohnFlux: man 7 pam ... these are password authendication modules |
| 10:10.05 | yoh__ | JohnFlux: a very nice tool I would say - I've already found a few problems... |
| 10:10.22 | Whisky_ | does Wine run all windows software ? |
| 10:10.27 | overnout | Linux-PAM - Pluggable Authentication Modules for Linux |
| 10:10.31 | yoh__ | Whisky_: no |
| 10:10.45 | yoh__ | Whisky_: but theoretically can probably :-) |
| 10:10.48 | bzk | does anyone know if the boot-image size on the cd has changed from 3.0 to 3.1? (1.44mb-2.88mb?) |
| 10:10.53 | Whisky_ | :| |
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| 10:11.37 | m4lu7 | Maybe someone here has a clue about this... I've got 10 boxes running PXE boot, mounting a rootfs from a gzipped image they download, these boxes all have sshd on them, set to allow the only user, root, in with no password , this is by design, [more] |
| 10:11.59 | m4lu7 | Every time they reboot, they regenerate rsa_key, which borks my .ssh/known_hosts file, |
| 10:12.29 | yoh__ | Whisky_: just try it for specific one... if it is a game or other graphics intensive one, you better try cedega (AKA WineX) |
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| 10:12.36 | m4lu7 | how might i be able to get around this? they've got no HD's, these PXE boxes, so no way to save an individual rsa key (which would be asinine anyway, considering each of the 10 boxes shares a common rootfs.gz) |
| 10:12.45 | rixth | Nice and fresh :) |
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| 10:12.56 | sour | m4lu6 write it down |
| 10:13.23 | m4lu7 | sour, hah. uh.. what?? |
| 10:13.33 | spdf | sour, Good effort :) |
| 10:14.15 | rixth | Somewhere along the line, my hostname got changed to bear..org (two dots), how can I change it? |
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| 10:14.55 | sour | grep -r bear..org /etc/* |
| 10:15.04 | m4lu7 | rixth, hostname --file <hostname> , check init.d/hostname.sh |
| 10:15.12 | Caeies[taff] | man_in_shack, yep ? |
| 10:15.24 | rno | Hello, I've creat 1000 user and run 50 connection at the times to do some testing, after few minutes I've got this message: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host, I've checked on google but they speak only about connection blocked, but in my case I can login but after to much connection at the time it's does not work. |
| 10:15.28 | man_in_shack | Caeies[taff], what was with that link before? |
| 10:15.46 | Caeies[taff] | man_in_shack, ffx on AMD64 segfault |
| 10:15.54 | man_in_shack | ah ok |
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| 10:16.14 | man_in_shack | Caeies[taff], well, i'm not getting segfaults, it's bringing up the download dialog instead of the themes thingy |
| 10:16.21 | Caeies[taff] | man_in_shack, like many other url containing Anchors if I understand how to reproduce it ... |
| 10:16.43 | Caeies[taff] | man_in_shack, perhaps something in the chrome registry |
| 10:16.47 | JohnFlux | rno: maybe self-protection |
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| 10:17.45 | rixth | Awesome thanks! |
| 10:17.48 | rno | JohnFlux, But on my linux more than 100 people can login at the same time... |
| 10:17.51 | rno | very weird... |
| 10:18.05 | rno | I'll ask on openbsd... chan |
| 10:18.11 | rno | thx anyway |
| 10:20.18 | umbop | god damn rdesktop |
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| 10:20.56 | umbop | if i have any inactivity on an rdesktop session, for say 5 minutes, and then go to use my machine, i can't type anything and the rdesktop program hangs, so i have to ctrl +alt +fn and kill rdesktop |
| 10:21.02 | man_in_shack | Caeies[taff], know how to get at the chrome stuffs? |
| 10:22.24 | bzk | [where] can i still download the woody cd images? |
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| 10:23.04 | man_in_shack | bzk, why do you [still] want woody? |
| 10:23.16 | yoh__ | bzk: do you work at museum? |
| 10:24.32 | bzk | because i GUESS that the bootimage size on the cd changed from 1.44 to 2.88 (what noone was able to confirm here yet), because my old buddy here fails to boot the sarge installer saying "1. FD System-Type(00)" |
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| 10:25.08 | weisserRiese | hi folks |
| 10:25.17 | bzk | and i read that may be a problem with old boards not being able to boot 2.88mb images.. |
| 10:25.24 | nkuttler | bzk: did you check www.debian.org/releases ? |
| 10:25.58 | ronino | can i make a backup of the root partition on a running system? |
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| 10:26.06 | jm_ | bzk: how old is his system? |
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| 10:26.37 | simonrvn | ronino: you have our permission |
| 10:26.40 | bzk | hmm the board is an abit pr5 and its a pentium I 120 or such |
| 10:26.57 | jm_ | ahh that's quite old, tried using SBM? |
| 10:27.05 | ronino | simonrvn: hehe, the question wasn't if i am allowed to, but rather if it is possible |
| 10:27.09 | bzk | sbm? |
| 10:27.13 | jm_ | yes |
| 10:27.18 | yoh__ | ronino: well - you can but it might be inconsistent (buffers not flushed etc) especially if /var is under /. if you mastered to have run under LVN - you can make a snapshot |
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| 10:27.38 | bzk | jm_ no idea what that is, will look it up |
| 10:27.44 | yoh__ | ronino: but I believe it shouldn't be a big problem especially if it is currently not under load |
| 10:27.55 | jm_ | bzk: apt-cache show sbm |
| 10:27.56 | ronino | yoh__: okay, thx |
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| 10:28.20 | bzk | nkuttler: cant find the images there, what surprises me.. |
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| 10:29.18 | man_in_shack | ok, i can use nautilus to manually install themes by drag+drop |
| 10:29.32 | man_in_shack | which is pretty stupid, but it works |
| 10:30.19 | bzk | jm_: ah so i have to install sbm here on my runnig system and create a boot floppy, or can the boot floppy images be downloaded as such (cause i doent think i need sbm on 'this' machine..) |
| 10:31.01 | hunter86 | 有ä¸å›½äººå—？ |
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| 10:31.23 | yoh__ | bzk: is woody 3.0? |
| 10:31.27 | bzk | yes |
| 10:31.29 | yoh__ | I don't remember |
| 10:31.36 | yoh__ | look at ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/debian-cd/images/i386/ |
| 10:31.50 | jm_ | bzk: you install sbm and install it on a floppy, I don't remember seeing any images for it |
| 10:31.53 | yoh__ | their mirror is always outdated... thus it keeps old staff alive :-) |
| 10:32.14 | bzk | yoh__ thanks, thats it :) |
| 10:32.24 | spdf | yoh__, quite outdated :) |
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| 10:33.21 | yoh__ | bzk, happy to help :-) ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/ floppies if you like :-) |
| 10:33.24 | Kven | Anyone could recommend visual-c-like proggy for linux? |
| 10:33.25 | thoron | I made little cut'n'paste no-bullshit lisense, I guess this is in with DFSG: "Copyright (c) 2005 First Lastname. This software is provided without warranty. Permission is granted to anyone to use this software for any purpose and to alter it and redistribute it freely. Altered versions should be marked as such." ? |
| 10:33.36 | Coke | Kven: why would anybody recommend such a thing? |
| 10:33.49 | yoh__ | spdf, that is why I have to keep my own mirror of debian and ubuntu because that guys don't bother about their mirror :-/ heh heh |
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| 10:33.53 | sml | I had to move some files out of boot and put them in /, since boot was full. How do I let debians package management system know the location of the new files so that it doesn't think my system is broken ? |
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| 10:34.06 | bzk | Kven: Eclipse? |
| 10:34.07 | Kven | Coke; because I need don't like to work in leafpad on 30 files probably -.- |
| 10:34.10 | Caeies[taff] | bye all |
| 10:34.19 | Kven | Mmk, I'll try that |
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| 10:34.28 | Coke | Kven: I don't understand that sentence |
| 10:35.00 | Coke | Kven: GNU emacs or vim are probably the most popular editors among programmers, but I guess you're looking for a RAD-tool? |
| 10:35.33 | Kven | Yes |
| 10:35.37 | bzk | Kven: eclipse is primarily for java development, but there are also plugins for a multitude of other languages (though never used them) |
| 10:35.48 | Coke | Kven: don't. they'll slow your productivity down. |
| 10:36.10 | yoh__ | I have an idea and have 2 ways to kinda implement it, but I'm not sure may be there is already cleaner way... I want to keep unstable automatically updated in terms of the packages reported in debian security advisory.. so I don't want to have whole distro upgraded but rather a subset which is known to have severe security issues... what would be a nice way to implement??? |
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| 10:36.36 | Coke | Kven: my recommendation to you is GNU emacs and a good shell, like GNU Bash. |
| 10:36.40 | bzk | but Coke is right of course, emacs should always be the "IDE" of your choice |
| 10:36.43 | sml | yoh__: you're better off using stable if you want the security structure |
| 10:36.47 | yoh__ | apt-listbugs can show me some of registered security bugs which are relevant... but I would prefer fetching/parsing DSA knews... |
| 10:36.55 | Coke | bzk: :) |
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| 10:37.11 | yoh__ | sml, well -stable it way too stable... not that I dislike it but it doesn't fit me |
| 10:37.26 | Kven | Hmmk, I'll see these then |
| 10:37.36 | Coke | I just loath RAD tools. They make confused people even more confused. |
| 10:37.46 | Coke | Kven: you want to write C code? |
| 10:37.47 | sml | yoh__: well then you will just have to monitor debians security announce mailing list and wget the files yourself manually. |
| 10:37.56 | Kven | c++ |
| 10:38.04 | yoh__ | sml, the idea is quite simple -- just monitor DSA and upgrade/inform regarding relevant (outdated) packages |
| 10:38.05 | sml | yoh__: or you could write your own script to do it based on email alerts. you could check the md5 of the files, etc |
| 10:38.19 | EmleyMoor | I'm having problems - I selected the realplayer package (from marillat's stuff of course) but it is just "installing" - I would normally expect it to direct me to download the actual package and put it where it's needed - can someone advise why the installer is just "installing" without prompting for anything? |
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| 10:38.41 | Coke | Kven: OK. GNU emacs has a built-in cpp mode, just remember to install the gcc C++ stuff and a debugger and you're all set. |
| 10:38.48 | yoh__ | sml, nooo - I want it automated :) pretty much the same as apt-cron does but just for DSA reported packages... actually may be I just need to "patch" cron-apt... hm... |
| 10:39.19 | cortex | I read that the services provided by newraff and newsamosa would be temporarily moved to other debian machines, eta sometime between saturday and today. Is this progressing smoothly? My broken sid rig wants some new packages =) |
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| 10:40.25 | liable | cortex: guess they will be ready... when they are ready :) |
| 10:41.05 | cortex | liable: obviously, but it'd be great to know about the progress anyway |
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| 10:42.36 | psaxno | does kill takes any time argument? |
| 10:43.13 | elirips | hello. i just installed kernel-2.6.8-2-386, i would like to disable acpi as i get lots of acpi-error-messages on the console, and i guess that old machine has no acpi anyway. anybody by chance knows the option i have to pass to the kernel? |
| 10:43.32 | petemc | psaxno: you dont have the kill man page? |
| 10:43.34 | EmleyMoor | (did anyone answer my question about installing realplayer?) |
| 10:44.15 | simonrvn | psaxno: man kill |
| 10:44.18 | umbop | hmm anyone here use konsole? |
| 10:44.23 | psaxno | petemc: think found something but it is about realtime signals? also signal names without descriptions isn't helpfull so thought to ask |
| 10:44.39 | umbop | i was wondering how i would go about saving ssh sessions, so i dont have to keep typing ssh -p 220 domain etc, and it renaming the session window to the relevant server? |
| 10:44.46 | postel | umbop: no, nobody, you're the only one |
| 10:44.54 | petemc | psaxno: theres a signal man page.. |
| 10:45.00 | EmleyMoor | umbop: .~/.ssh/config is what you need |
| 10:45.05 | psaxno | ha! thanks |
| 10:45.08 | psaxno | all I needed |
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| 10:45.28 | umbop | hmm |
| 10:45.29 | EmleyMoor | umbop: ~/.ssh/config is what you need, even |
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| 10:45.32 | yoh__ | elirips: try both - don't remember which one "noacpi" "acpi=off" |
| 10:45.44 | umbop | that just holds the key and info and such of ssh sessions? |
| 10:45.48 | yoh__ | or jsut lower console verbosity :-) |
| 10:45.51 | elirips | yoh__: thanks. |
| 10:46.13 | EmleyMoor | umbop: hostname, port, compression level, whehter to forward agent, X, other ports... |
| 10:46.20 | EmleyMoor | (keys are in known_hosts) |
| 10:46.26 | umbop | hmm i dont have a config file |
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| 10:46.41 | EmleyMoor | umbop: Well, make one - they're not difficult |
| 10:46.47 | simonrvn | so you create it... |
| 10:46.54 | umbop | ok i need ot read on google then, thanks |
| 10:47.02 | yoh__ | \leave |
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| 10:47.11 | EmleyMoor | umbop: I think man ssh will be of help, to be honest |
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| 10:47.54 | EmleyMoor | Why is it that installing realplayer from marillat's stuff is just plain installing the installer, not bothering about the actual program? |
| 10:47.59 | liable | hehe, silly but funny |
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| 10:49.41 | Limpalot | could anyone point me to a good howto for ltsp/freenx/thin clients? Needs to get ltsp going over IPVPN.. |
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| 10:50.16 | jm_ | FreeNX site has lots of docs about, well, FreeNX |
| 10:50.27 | liable | EmleyMoor: whats apt show about it? |
| 10:50.56 | EmleyMoor | liable: How does apt "show"? |
| 10:50.57 | Limpalot | I know, it's the combination freenx/ltsp I can't seem to find a good explanation too... |
| 10:51.08 | liable | EmleyMoor: apt-cache show foo |
| 10:51.12 | Limpalot | err...to |
| 10:51.25 | Limpalot | or rather on actually |
| 10:52.17 | EmleyMoor | liable: What exactly am I looking for in the stuff it has shown? |
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| 10:52.42 | liable | EmleyMoor: dunno, what it actually is/does? |
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| 10:53.06 | petemc | EmleyMoor: mplayer can do realplayer files |
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| 10:53.33 | EmleyMoor | petemc: To an extent, yes |
| 10:53.43 | peluqui | hola |
| 10:53.45 | petemc | ... |
| 10:53.48 | EmleyMoor | Ah - things seem OK now |
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| 10:54.39 | umbop | hmm .ssh/config - i've implemented in there, but i'm unsure if that's what i want reading documentation, i want to be able to use konsole to select a host, and the connection be automated, i don't want to type even ssh -p 220 host for the host i've defined in the config |
| 10:54.50 | liable | peluqui: #debian-es? |
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| 10:55.17 | jm_ | umbop: use shell completion |
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| 10:55.33 | peluqui | como estas |
| 10:55.34 | possie | is there a nice too which i can send a UDP packet to a certain port? |
| 10:55.46 | EmleyMoor | Turns out the program itself was already on but the installer wasn't! |
| 10:56.00 | simonrvn | possie: knock from knockd |
| 10:56.00 | Limpalot | lol |
| 10:56.11 | possie | simonrvn: k thanks |
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| 10:56.53 | umbop | jm_, shell completion? could you expand |
| 10:57.03 | simonrvn | exactly, expand |
| 10:57.08 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 10:57.19 | simonrvn | foo<tab> |
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| 10:57.29 | umbop | ahh, i see, most shells support than anyway |
| 10:57.42 | simonrvn | foo |
| 10:57.43 | simonrvn | Completing external command |
| 10:58.50 | umbop | but i am wanting to create ssh sessions via konsole hmm i may just create a script and use expect or something to complete the ssh, as i get bored of typing ssh -p all the time |
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| 10:58.52 | possie | simonrvn: wow works great :-) |
| 10:59.00 | umbop | especially when you have about 30+ servers to connect to |
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| 11:00.04 | aspro | anyone here run debian on a powerbook? |
| 11:00.07 | simonrvn | "ohnoz, i gotta do work!!!1!1" |
| 11:00.11 | jm_ | it's ok with us if you're stubborn, just don't repeat your question |
| 11:00.34 | Andy_Joe | hi |
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| 11:00.53 | Andy_Joe | hi everybody |
| 11:01.13 | liable | aspro: plenty, but maybe #debianppc is what your after. |
| 11:01.24 | aspro | ahh, thanks :) |
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| 11:05.24 | kekkerii | 'is this the latest netinst cd ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst |
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| 11:06.16 | bzk | good and bad news. downloaded a woody cd. the old pc boots fine from it. BUT it says something about 2.88mb image while booting. that means: my initial assumption that the boot image size changed from 1.44 to 2.88 is wrong AND that my abit pr5 is able to boot a 2.88mb image. but what the heck could then be the problem with the sarge installer? |
| 11:06.50 | kekkerii | give me logs1 |
| 11:07.24 | kekkerii | :) give me the fucking logs i watch whats the fucking prroblem! |
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| 11:07.57 | kekkerii | send me youre logs via-ftp ? |
| 11:08.12 | bzk | i have no logs. the only relevant line would be what my system spits out when failing to boot: "1. FD System-Type(00)" |
| 11:08.24 | kekkerii | 'is this the latest netinst cd ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso is the tha fnking latest! |
| 11:08.55 | liable | !d-i kekkerii |
| 11:08.57 | dpkg | kekkerii, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:09.19 | JohnFlux | how do I see what is connected to what port? |
| 11:09.28 | JohnFlux | i'm on a machine now, but can't remember what port ssh is on |
| 11:09.33 | liable | JohnFlux: netstat. |
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| 11:10.05 | JohnFlux | liable: and look for what? |
| 11:10.40 | liable | JohnFlux: um sshd? |
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| 11:11.17 | JohnFlux | thanks |
| 11:11.39 | liable | JohnFlux: try netstat -pantu |
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| 11:12.15 | MikeCamel | Anyone got a working non-US line for an unstable sources.list? Mine seems broken... |
| 11:12.26 | jm_ | !topicsmite MikeCamel |
| 11:12.27 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon MikeCamel. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 11:14.00 | Limpalot | If I remember correctly the non-us is out of the tree isn't it? |
| 11:14.32 | Limpalot | And THEN I saw the topic....oh well... |
| 11:14.51 | jerome | morning all |
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| 11:16.29 | jerome | I have some problem with window maximization under sawfish/xorg : windows are maximized over both heads which is annoying. Did someone had the same problem (maybe there are some nice options for xinerama/xorg) ? |
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| 11:17.38 | jm_ | try #sawfish |
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| 11:20.42 | sml | If I move a kernel-images' files to say /, coz /boot is full, do i need to let apt/aptitude know ? |
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| 11:21.01 | JohnFlux | sml: hmmmmmmm |
| 11:21.08 | JohnFlux | sml: make room on /boot instead |
| 11:21.09 | JohnFlux | :) |
| 11:21.15 | sml | JohnFlux: I cant 100% full. |
| 11:21.16 | liable | sml: a vmlinuz? |
| 11:21.21 | JohnFlux | sml: so make room. |
| 11:21.29 | JohnFlux | sml: delete some kernel images you don't want anymore |
| 11:21.32 | jm_ | sml: maybe dpkg-divert could be used for this |
| 11:21.38 | sml | vmlinuz and System.map. I moved them both to / and updated the symlinks and lilo accordingly. it all works good. |
| 11:21.45 | JohnFlux | sml: it works?? |
| 11:21.52 | sml | JohnFlux: yeah it works just fine. |
| 11:22.01 | JohnFlux | sml: so why have a seperate /boot then? |
| 11:22.33 | sml | JohnFlux: Well the new kernel is in /boot. the old one i had to move to / coz there wasn't space for two kerenels |
| 11:22.45 | sml | /dev/hda1 7776 6924 451 94% /boot |
| 11:22.57 | JohnFlux | sml: but can you boot your old one now? |
| 11:23.03 | sml | JohnFlux: well i haven't tried. |
| 11:23.10 | JohnFlux | sml: well try that first |
| 11:23.13 | jm_ | just create /boot on / and move things over |
| 11:23.17 | JohnFlux | sml: its on a different partition |
| 11:23.18 | sml | but its now in /. do you think it wont work ? |
| 11:23.23 | JohnFlux | jm_: assuming that works |
| 11:23.24 | sml | jm_: oh yeah what a good idea lol |
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| 11:23.37 | JohnFlux | sml: get the / image to work first |
| 11:23.42 | sml | Why do people put /boot on a seperate partition anyway ? |
| 11:24.06 | JohnFlux | sml: bugs in old hardware |
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| 11:24.37 | sml | JohnFlux: So I should see if the old kernel works from / , and then if it does.. create a /boot/ on / and move the files over. |
| 11:24.53 | JohnFlux | sounds good |
| 11:25.22 | sml | JohnFlux: It seems strange (to me) that the /vmlinuz.old -> /vmlinuz-2.4.19-k6 |
| 11:25.31 | sml | ... *may* not work |
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| 11:25.56 | sml | when the only difference is that its now on / rather than /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-k6 |
| 11:26.00 | JohnFlux | sml: that's because /boot is its own partition |
| 11:26.47 | sml | JohnFlux: But i thought the only reason you put a /boot is due to old hardisks that dont like the filesystem being beyond a certain cylinder ? |
| 11:26.53 | sml | (or something) |
| 11:27.06 | liable | bios |
| 11:27.10 | sml | ah is it bios. |
| 11:27.35 | rixth | sml, yes, the first 1024 cylinders |
| 11:27.47 | rixth | That still affects many harddrives (in my experience) |
| 11:27.54 | sml | Ok ... |
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| 11:28.09 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:28.11 | sml | well if I cant use /vmlinuz.old.. I'll have to somehow make /boot bigger. |
| 11:28.24 | sml | And since I'm not using LVM... how do I do this ? |
| 11:28.37 | peterS | sml: not old harddisks so much as old BIOS versions |
| 11:28.42 | liable | rixth: what does it have to do with hard drives? |
| 11:28.58 | peterS | sml: if your computer is less than, say, 5 years old, I don't think it'll have this problem |
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| 11:29.09 | sml | peterS: its five years old |
| 11:29.12 | sml | (lol) |
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| 11:29.14 | rixth | liable, Ya know, the bug/issue with some drives where /boot has to be within the first 1024 cylinders |
| 11:29.35 | peterS | sml: it's probably fine for any size hard disk up to 128 GB then, honestly |
| 11:29.36 | toad_ | Failed to get lockfile: /var/lock/logcheck/logcheck.lock |
| 11:29.36 | liable | rixth: its bios innit, not hard drive. |
| 11:29.39 | toad_ | how to fix this? |
| 11:29.46 | Limpalot | It's been more than five years since this was a common problem on new machines... |
| 11:29.47 | toad_ | i'd prefer not to have to reboot... |
| 11:29.48 | sml | Its only that the boot sector needs to be on cylinder <=1024 right ? |
| 11:29.49 | rixth | liable, Oh, well then, I shall remmeber. |
| 11:29.50 | toad_ | logcheck is not running |
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| 11:29.58 | toad_ | the file in question does not exist |
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| 11:30.09 | theb0y | hello, anyone can tell me how to create a ramdisk file of 16384 bytes that i can mount with loop? |
| 11:30.10 | toad_ | i tried creating a zero length one and that did not make any difference |
| 11:30.14 | sml | well there's an easy way to check if its going to work! brb! |
| 11:30.17 | peterS | sml: anything that needs to be read before Linux itself boots up. that means the boot sector, the lilo or grub code, the kernel, the initrd |
| 11:30.21 | sml | rixth, JohnFlux thanks. |
| 11:30.43 | sml | peterS: ah.... well I'm using a initrd on /boot for the *new* kernel only. my old one didn't use an initrd. |
| 11:30.51 | toad_ | i believe logcheck is maintained by debian? |
| 11:30.54 | cover | hi, can someone please tell me how I can make my debian installation to automount (and show icons) in gnome? My mom and fo won't be pleased if they have to use mount and umount manually :) |
| 11:30.59 | toad_ | is my only option to reboot? |
| 11:31.10 | sml | basically i want my 2.4 kernel security tracked so i installed the 2.4-k6 meta package from sarge (i upgrade from woody recently hence the old kernel) |
| 11:31.19 | peterS | toad_: you can probably just remove the lockfile, if you're sure the program isn't running |
| 11:31.19 | jim | cant you stop and restart the service? |
| 11:31.25 | liable | cover: gnome doesnt do that? I thought it did. |
| 11:31.28 | toad_ | peterS: the lockfile does not exist |
| 11:31.29 | sml | however I ran out of space in /boot, so I simply copied the files over to / where there's plenty of space. |
| 11:31.29 | rixth | Accoridng to the time jump between kernel 2.4 and 2.6 (approx two years), 2.8 early 2006? |
| 11:31.41 | toad_ | and the program isn't running |
| 11:31.48 | toad_ | but it still can't acquire the lock for some reason |
| 11:32.04 | cover | liable, I inserted a cd, nothing happened - it is a fresh sarge installation with packageset "Desktop" (kernel 2.4) |
| 11:32.07 | peterS | sml: I'm guessing your BIOS will be fine, if it's from 1999 or 2000. but I don't know that I'd bet *money* on that... |
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| 11:32.17 | sml | how can I check where my /boot is located ? I may as well check to see what cylinder it starts at rather than rebooting. do i just use fdisk ? |
| 11:32.26 | Limpalot | sml: Do you need /boot on a different partition? If not; why not just umount it and use it as a folder in /? |
| 11:32.29 | peterS | sml: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 11:32.47 | peterS | Limpalot: dude, we're trying to establish whether he needs /boot on a separate partition |
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| 11:32.49 | jim | toad_: inability to acquire a lock might be as simple as inability to write in a dir due to permissions |
| 11:32.50 | toad_ | logcheck@amphibian:~$ lockfile-create --retry 1 /var/lock/logcheck/logcheck.lock |
| 11:32.50 | toad_ | lockfile creation failed |
| 11:32.51 | sml | ok i'll see where boot is currently and if its above 1024 then it *must* be ok. that way i'll save a rebot |
| 11:32.54 | sml | s/rebot/reboot |
| 11:33.24 | toad_ | jim: if i su to logcheck, i can create the file |
| 11:33.27 | peterS | sml: also, 'cfdisk /dev/hda' is a friendly interface to see (and change) your partition table. use the 'u' key (or 'units' command on the menu) to switch to cylinders |
| 11:33.32 | jim | toad_: who owns /var/lock/logcheck/ and what are its permissions? |
| 11:33.34 | cover | ah, ok, I found out, ill need kernel 2.6 for automounting |
| 11:33.38 | liable | cover: you have gnome-volume-manager installed? ( I dont use gnome, but was sure it did that stuff for you ) |
| 11:33.41 | toad_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 logcheck logcheck 4096 Jul 25 12:32 logcheck |
| 11:33.52 | toad_ | and as i said i can create the file |
| 11:33.53 | sml | peterS: hmmmmmmmmm its on cylinder 1. I must have put it there for a reason (was a long time ago) |
| 11:34.01 | peterS | sml: yeah, that's typical |
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| 11:34.12 | cover | liable, there is a tool, I started it and gnome told me that I need service hald, but it requires kernel-2.6, I'll install it now |
| 11:34.23 | sml | peterS: cylinder 1 -> cylinder 2. Guess I'll have to reboot after all! wish me luck |
| 11:34.23 | cover | liable, checking if gvm is installed .. |
| 11:34.27 | jim | so you'd have to be logcheck to do whatever you're doing to acquire the lock (and you may or may not need other perms depending on what it does) |
| 11:34.28 | liable | cover: ah, ok. |
| 11:34.36 | peterS | !bless sml |
| 11:34.37 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child sml, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 11:34.43 | toad_ | jim: yes, i su to logcheck, and i can create the file |
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| 11:34.55 | toad_ | but lockfile-create can't |
| 11:35.04 | toad_ | i suppose i ought to strace lockfile-create ? |
| 11:35.05 | cover | liable, yes, it is installed, ok, ill install 2.6, reboot and return back with results :) |
| 11:35.10 | sml | peterS: I was initally more worried about the files being in a non-standard location and confusing dpkg, but now it seems the real problem may be I no longer have an old kernel I can boot into. |
| 11:35.16 | toad_ | oh ****, / is full! |
| 11:35.18 | jim | even if you're su-ed to logcheck when you do lockfile-create? |
| 11:35.21 | toad_ | duhh! |
| 11:35.27 | jim | heh :) |
| 11:35.30 | peterS | sml: yeah |
| 11:35.39 | jim | talk about barking up the wrong tree :) |
| 11:36.05 | toad_ | 16178428 /root |
| 11:36.22 | jim | seems you've been busy :P |
| 11:36.42 | peterS | sml: if you're using lilo, make sure to put 'lba32' in /etc/lilo.conf to tell it to use the access mode that doesn't have the 1024-cyl limit |
| 11:36.44 | jim | 16 mb :) |
| 11:36.59 | toad_ | 16 gb |
| 11:37.06 | jim | gb?? |
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| 11:37.14 | toad_ | that's output from du |
| 11:37.16 | peterS | jim: he's got Star Wars DVD images in there or something |
| 11:37.19 | sml | peterS: its already set to use lba32 ;-) plus the good news is.... *it works* :) |
| 11:37.25 | peterS | sml: heh, cool |
| 11:37.34 | jim | stare whores? |
| 11:38.00 | peterS | no, talking about toad_, not jim |
| 11:38.15 | jim | right, I knew that :) |
| 11:38.16 | sml | peterS: So I copy the files in /boot to /blah, then unmount "boot" and mv blah boot, and fix the fstab. is that the quickest way to turn the partition into a directory under / ? |
| 11:38.22 | peterS | do you have stare whores volume 3 yet? |
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| 11:38.37 | jim | I'm gonna see that movie someday |
| 11:38.44 | sml | lol |
| 11:38.47 | toad_ | oooh, a logfile |
| 11:38.48 | Citizin | hey all |
| 11:38.50 | toad_ | a 13GB logfile |
| 11:38.59 | peterS | sml: mkdir /tmp/x; umount /boot; mount /dev/hda1 /tmp/x; cp -la /tmp/x/* /boot/ |
| 11:39.08 | peterS | sml: then remove /boot from /etc/fstab |
| 11:39.11 | jim | perverbose? |
| 11:39.15 | peterS | sml: then rerun 'lilo' |
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| 11:39.17 | sml | cool thanks peterS |
| 11:39.18 | Citizin | is anyone in here running Phlak? |
| 11:39.18 | liable | !log |
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| 11:39.19 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
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| 11:39.29 | jim | !anyone |
| 11:39.29 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 11:39.31 | peterS | sml: doh, cp -la won't work, use cp -a |
| 11:39.42 | jim | !poll |
| 11:39.42 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 11:40.21 | peterS | sml: by suggesting 'cp -la' to copy stuff between partitions, you can tell I need sleep. off to get some now, good luck with your minor rearrangement job |
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| 11:40.39 | jim | cp -la only works in southern california... |
| 11:40.40 | liable | heh, that log factoid is kinda wrong. |
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| 11:41.47 | peterS | jim: oh, it does fine when you aren't specifically using it on purpose to copy stuff across partition boundaries. (the -l requires you to stay one one filesystem.) |
| 11:42.03 | jim | ahh, that's sometimes useful |
| 11:42.07 | peterS | I'm just used to using 'cp -la' to clone a directory tree - that's what I do in software development all the time |
| 11:42.52 | peterS | it's fast and uses almost no disk space - and 'diff -ur' between the two trees is also very fast since diff knows that two hardlinks will never differ, so it doesn't bother reading the contents of such files |
| 11:43.16 | jim | if you're trying to clone whole filesystems, it seems the (cd ... tar c... ) | (cd ... tar x...) is an old faithful |
| 11:43.31 | jim | especially when cloning / |
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| 11:44.01 | liable | peterS: you do debian development? |
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| 11:44.32 | peterS | liable: not so much debian development. I'd like to get into debian development. I mainly develop other random software - personal, professional |
| 11:45.04 | peterS | jim: cp -ax / /mnt is good if you have GNU coreutils (not all unix cp versions support -a or -x) |
| 11:45.16 | balony | is it possible to get pgsql 8 deb packages for sid? |
| 11:45.17 | jim | what's -x? |
| 11:45.30 | peterS | jim: the cp -x forces cp not to cross filesystem boundaries. so you don't back up all of /proc for example |
| 11:45.30 | jim | balony: maybe |
| 11:45.39 | peterS | jim: and so you don't recursively copy /mnt/mnt/mnt/mnt... |
| 11:45.50 | berzerka | so i have everything up and running again, but am still not able to boot the sarge netinst getting the error "1. FD System-Type(00)". the only explanation for that is that the image i downloaded was corrupted.. |
| 11:45.54 | jim | I done that :) |
| 11:46.17 | peterS | jim: yeah, it's fun. anyway, cp -ax is an old friend to me, on debian systems where I know cp has those flags |
| 11:46.20 | jim | at one point, I wondered why rm -rf /mnt/mnt took like a minute... |
| 11:46.20 | liable | peterS: sweet, gonna try for dd? you sound like you know your shit. |
| 11:46.50 | peterS | liable: been thinking about it for about 7 years. eventually I'll do it |
| 11:46.56 | liable | peterS: heh |
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| 11:47.16 | peterS | jim: yeah really |
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| 11:47.31 | peterS | jim: anyway, the cp -ax / /mnt assumes that /mnt is a separate partition, of course |
| 11:48.04 | jim | oh right,,, if it's not, you would recurse |
| 11:48.15 | peterS | yep. cp -ax won't save you then |
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| 11:48.55 | jim | "oops, forgot to mount... WTF??!! ran outta inodes on /?? ..." |
| 11:49.09 | peterS | jim: alternatively: mkdir /tmp/oldroot; mount --bind / /tmp/oldroot; cd /tmp/oldroot; cp -a . /mnt |
| 11:49.16 | cover | will i break something if ill remove exim from the runlevels? (I need some spare performance) |
| 11:49.17 | peterS | jim: mount --bind is great for that sort of thing |
| 11:49.27 | petemc | cover: no |
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| 11:49.51 | jim | cover: man update-rc.d |
| 11:49.56 | cover | petemc, ok, thank you |
| 11:50.00 | petemc | cover: you will probably want something to sort out the mail queue on occasion tho |
| 11:50.10 | liable | cover: but you want get any system mail. |
| 11:50.19 | cover | nah, it is a plain desktop machine |
| 11:50.32 | jim | right, your system will then be unable to send you warning and error messages |
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| 11:50.49 | cover | i need some performance on this C400 with ~350 MB ram |
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| 11:50.58 | petemc | lets not get into the old "does a desktop system need a mta" argument |
| 11:51.07 | peterS | jim: messages that stay on the machine are delivered with /bin/mail, no? so long as you send them with 'mail' rather than with 'sendmail' |
| 11:51.27 | peterS | well, /usr/bin/mail I mean |
| 11:51.31 | jim | are they? I didn't know that |
| 11:51.42 | peterS | it's a separation between MTA and MDA (mail delivery agent) |
| 11:51.53 | peterS | local mail doesn't need to touch an MTA, you can talk straight to the MDA |
| 11:52.05 | jim | right, I was under the impression mailx is a mua |
| 11:52.08 | ricky_clarkson | petemc: I never used to have an MTA, and managed, but yeah, it's a bit stupid not to have one. |
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| 11:52.08 | liable | why does debian require an mta then? |
| 11:52.18 | petemc | .... |
| 11:52.21 | jim | that's a good question |
| 11:52.21 | ricky_clarkson | liable: To send the administrator important messages. |
| 11:52.21 | peterS | now, if the MDA reads /etc/aliases or something and decides to forward something to another host, then it calls the MTA |
| 11:52.36 | liable | ricky_clarkson: thats what I thought |
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| 11:52.48 | JohnnyST | Any recomendations on what USB bluetooth adaptors works in the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 11:53.10 | peterS | liable: well, I could be wrong, possibly /usr/sbin/sendmail is important even for local mail these days |
| 11:53.11 | cover | ok, ill reboot into 2.6 to see if the dms will automount |
| 11:53.17 | Atula | !faq |
| 11:53.17 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 11:53.18 | jim | it still doesn't imo, if a common setup can be defined under which mail is carted off to a smarthost |
| 11:53.45 | jim | do you need an mta on the local machine to have it send mail thru a smarthost? |
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| 11:56.53 | peterS | jim: you need something that knows how to talk to a smarthost, yes. it can be a pretty stripped down MTA, though, like 'ssmtp' or 'nullmailer'. |
| 11:56.54 | cheale1 | I'm looking for information about the BTS's development. like a roadmap, that could explain why the web interface is read-only. did I miss a mailing list, or something else useful? |
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| 11:57.21 | peterS | jim: I'd be in favor of changing exim to nullmailer for default debian installs. people who know they need a real MTA also know how to install one |
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| 11:58.06 | jim | so nullmailer doesn't even listen on 25? |
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| 11:58.38 | stew | chealer: my understanding is that the bts is modified via email so that one can always have an email address for information submitters |
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| 11:59.35 | jm_ | chealer: some people on Debian Planet mentioned it a few times last week |
| 12:00.05 | liable | chealer: they did just include code for subscribing to it too. |
| 12:00.19 | jm_ | yeah something about subscription |
| 12:00.24 | chealer | liable: wah?! |
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| 12:00.43 | liable | chealer: you can subsribe to bugs now. |
| 12:01.01 | peterS | jim: correct, it's outgoing-only. if a message bounces, nullmailer will never receive the bounce |
| 12:01.05 | simonrvn | oh, cool |
| 12:01.11 | chealer | oh yeah, I heard you can subscribe to bugs |
| 12:01.22 | simonrvn | 'bout time ;) |
| 12:01.37 | chealer | :) BTS had 2 good improvements lately |
| 12:01.41 | peterS | chealer: two major bts changes recently. bug subscriptions are the exciting one. tracking which version or versions of a package a bug is known to be present or absent in is the other |
| 12:01.52 | simonrvn | cool |
| 12:02.09 | liable | I think dondelcaro was one of the coders for it. |
| 12:02.19 | peterS | well, they're both exciting features, but bug subscriptions is far more exciting for people like me who have been wanting that for several years now (: |
| 12:02.27 | liable | bah + el |
| 12:02.52 | peterS | yes, kamion and dondelelcaro both do a lot of bts development work these days |
| 12:03.20 | chealer | peterS: I heard about that. what I'm looking for is an explanation from the people involved about why you can't use the web interface to make changes. my understanding is like stew's, but I'd like to be sure |
| 12:03.49 | jim | peterS: so that would work (at least partially) for the cases where the mail is only delivered locally, or delivered thru a smarthost... |
| 12:04.10 | peterS | jim: yeah, as I said I think nullmailer is a great default MTA for debian. people who want a real MTA know where to find them |
| 12:04.32 | jim | right, it's usually just an apt-get away |
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| 12:04.43 | peterS | chealer: web interface for *submitting* a bug report is a desirable feature. web interface for *manipulating* bugs is less so, because of the potential for easy vandalism |
| 12:05.10 | jim | wiki for bugs |
| 12:05.12 | jim | buggy |
| 12:05.22 | chealer | wiki for bugs...ugh, sounds like knoppix |
| 12:05.32 | peterS | buggix? |
| 12:05.41 | jim | nono, "buggy" |
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| 12:06.00 | ralf | what about newraff and newsamosa? aren't they relocated yet? |
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| 12:06.34 | jim | it's 5 in the freekin morning at HP; have -patience- |
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| 12:07.11 | chealer | peterS: so, unless there's registration, right?... I wanted to know what the BTS responsibles thought about registration |
| 12:07.32 | ralf | jim why did you told me that is 5? |
| 12:07.43 | peterS | chealer: pretty much everyone agrees that registration is a PITA. there's a *reason* we aren't using bugzilla |
| 12:08.04 | jim | ralf: isn't that where the machines are going at least temporarily? |
| 12:08.22 | ralf | jim: yep |
| 12:08.31 | ralf | but what matters the time? |
| 12:08.42 | e_mpika | :S |
| 12:08.43 | jim | no one is THERE YET. |
| 12:08.51 | peterS | ralf: nobody at HP wants to set up a server at 5:00 on a Monday morning |
| 12:09.01 | peterS | ralf: if I worked there I wouldn't want to either |
| 12:09.04 | ralf | ah, hp will set up the server? |
| 12:09.13 | jim | it' |
| 12:09.22 | peterS | ralf: they have to at least plug them into their datacenters and give them new IP addresses |
| 12:09.35 | jim | it's to be temporarily located at and hosted by HP, right? |
| 12:09.37 | ralf | this is a temporary housing? |
| 12:09.41 | peterS | yes |
| 12:09.46 | ralf | ok, ok |
| 12:10.04 | tmi | can anyone tell what the "right way" is to get postgresql 8.0.3 onto a stable debian? |
| 12:10.04 | peterS | there have been quite a few offers for better hosting |
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| 12:10.19 | jim | tmi: just build it from source :) |
| 12:10.37 | peterS | tmi: probably switch to etch and then just install postgresql-8.0 |
| 12:10.45 | jim | it's quite robust, but then you maintain it |
| 12:10.51 | ralf | they maybe will set up the server at ~11AM? |
| 12:11.01 | peterS | ralf: maybe. why do you think we will know? |
| 12:11.06 | asuffield | they maybe will set it up this week. why are you asking us? |
| 12:11.12 | liable | ralf: it will be ready... when its ready... |
| 12:11.16 | ralf | ok |
| 12:11.22 | jim | they want to eat at least breakfast first |
| 12:11.24 | tmi | jim: was hoping to avoid that :( |
| 12:11.40 | jim | and then fire 10% of their staff after |
| 12:11.53 | jim | oh, did they do that part already? :) |
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| 12:12.15 | tmi | peterS: etch? |
| 12:12.25 | peterS | tmi: if you have to ask, you don't want to use it |
| 12:12.30 | peterS | tmi: it's the new testing |
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| 12:13.01 | k-man_ | i'm trying to install using a netinst image |
| 12:13.11 | jim | ok |
| 12:13.15 | k-man_ | and when it gets to formatting the hdd, it hangs at 4% of the formatting |
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| 12:13.29 | jim | hmm, you sure the hd is good? |
| 12:13.59 | k-man_ | jim, its a brand new system |
| 12:13.59 | Bklyn | Are all the 404's I'm getting when trying to update the result of "newraff & newsamosa down and being moved"? |
| 12:13.59 | jim | and are you sure all of the geometry of the drive is seen by the bios? |
| 12:14.11 | k-man_ | the supplier claim they install an OS on it before despatch to test it |
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| 12:14.21 | k-man_ | jim, how else can i test it? |
| 12:14.32 | k-man_ | jim, one of the times it hung, it kernel panicked |
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| 12:14.46 | k-man_ | jim, but i didn't write it down and i have been unable to reproduce the panic |
| 12:14.48 | jim | k-man_: wow, that's a good question... but it's good that it's brand new |
| 12:14.52 | k-man_ | but it still hangs |
| 12:14.57 | liable | k-man_: sarge one? or a testing one? |
| 12:15.03 | jim | test the ram |
| 12:15.16 | k-man_ | liabe, the standard one... netinsts 3.1 something |
| 12:15.23 | liable | ok |
| 12:15.32 | k-man_ | jim, thats a good idea, i had some similar problems once and it was a ram issue |
| 12:15.47 | jim | what company did you get this thing from? can you return it today? |
| 12:15.50 | tmi | peterS: ok :| -- guessing there's no good method of using packages from testing/experimental on stable? |
| 12:16.13 | k-man_ | jim, oh, i probably could.. .but it would be a hassal. its 10:00 pm here anyway |
| 12:16.15 | jim | tmi: there might be backports of pg-8 |
| 12:16.18 | chealer | peterS: I understand registration can be perceived as a PITA, but considering the impact not having it probably on the BTS's usability, do you think I could find the opinion of the BTS responsibles about it somewhere? |
| 12:16.20 | peterS | tmi: depends on what 'good' means. it can be done but nobody supports it and we all just laugh at you when something breaks |
| 12:16.40 | liable | tmi: testing, yes, experimental is insane... |
| 12:16.44 | peterS | chealer: I do not know |
| 12:16.54 | jim | k-man_: test the ram... if the ram shows bad, that shows a systemic failure that could be the ram, mobo or video |
| 12:17.07 | k-man_ | jim, ok |
| 12:17.09 | k-man_ | ill do that |
| 12:17.10 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 12:17.21 | jim | so if the ram shows bad, I'd say return the box |
| 12:17.26 | k-man_ | yeah, i will |
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| 12:17.52 | chealer | peterS: ok, thanks anyway |
| 12:18.01 | peterS | chealer: you could ask dondelelcaro, who is after all on this channel. no idea when he's actually *around* |
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| 12:19.00 | Anthro | My home network is offline and I'm at work. I'm trying to find out where to download source (to compile on MacOS X) for the Debian package named "socket." Can someone help? A google search for socket is entirely useless. |
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| 12:19.06 | chealer | peterS: good idea. yet another reason to track that guy :) |
| 12:19.15 | tmi | liable: may I ask how? |
| 12:20.10 | tmi | peterS: good as in "will keep up to date through apt" -- I actually got it installed through experimental, but now it suggests upgrading the entire system to that.. :( |
| 12:20.15 | nkuttler | Anthro: to compile on os x? you may want to look into fink |
| 12:20.29 | liable | tmi: you need to get it from etch by pinning. (or source) google pinning. |
| 12:20.53 | Anthro | nkuttler: Fink doesn't have it. I need to download source and compile it myself. |
| 12:20.54 | peterS | tmi: you don't want to use experimental. testing is much much saner, and still has postgresql 8.0.3 |
| 12:21.06 | nkuttler | Anthro: /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 12:22.02 | e_mpika | :S |
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| 12:22.11 | e_mpika | hey |
| 12:22.20 | Bklyn | Are all the 404's I'm getting when trying to update the result of "newraff & newsamosa down and being moved"? |
| 12:22.22 | tmi | peterS/liable: suppose I'll simply use the testing branch then; thanks. |
| 12:22.29 | e_mpika | has anyone ever tried to get freevo working on deb? |
| 12:22.44 | peterS | Bklyn: no |
| 12:22.48 | Anthro | nkuttler: Great, I can find http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/socket, but that doesn't give me a way to download source. |
| 12:22.50 | liable | tmi: you dont need to do that. |
| 12:23.16 | tmi | liable: pinning is better? |
| 12:23.28 | nkuttler | Anthro: look again |
| 12:23.34 | tmi | liable: nvr mind, google for "debian pinning" got me the info I needed :) thanks |
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| 12:24.09 | Anthro | nkuttler: *sigh* Duh. Yeah, there's the .orig.tar.gz file |
| 12:24.34 | Bklyn | then am I the only one having problems apt-get upgrading w/http.us? |
| 12:25.07 | peterS | tmi: google is very smart (: |
| 12:25.29 | tmi | peterS: as long as you know the right keywords.. :) |
| 12:25.33 | peterS | yep |
| 12:26.14 | liable | !worship google |
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| 12:26.22 | liable | :P |
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| 12:26.35 | getram22 | Help "Bad mode in data abort handler detected: mode IRQ_32" |
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| 12:26.49 | getram22 | what does that "Bad mode in data abort handler detected: mode IRQ_32" meeen |
| 12:27.08 | peterS | ircdevil? |
| 12:27.08 | getram22 | i get the same message when i insert all my kernel PCI modules |
| 12:27.29 | jetx | Bad mode in data abort handler detected: mode IRQ_32 |
| 12:27.33 | ircdevil | peterS: well your eyes have dropped beneath the mouth in your smilies |
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| 12:27.41 | ircdevil | :oP |
| 12:27.43 | nkuttler | getram22: google it |
| 12:27.52 | peterS | ircdevil: oh, ok {: now I have a buck tooth too? |
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| 12:28.01 | getram22 | nkuttler, humm yes i am comming after not much help in google |
| 12:28.07 | jetx | http://www.google.com/linux?q=Bad+mode+in+data+abort+handler+detected%3A+mode+IRQ_32&restrict=linux |
| 12:28.07 | ircdevil | peterS: heh! |
| 12:28.13 | antgel | anyone here building firefox? if so, are you setting PKG_CONFIG or PKG_CONFIG_PATH, and if so, what to? |
| 12:28.59 | liable | doh |
| 12:29.04 | liable | :( |
| 12:29.31 | liable | I meant (: |
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| 12:29.53 | nion | hi |
| 12:30.05 | stew | antgel: why are you building firefox? |
| 12:30.17 | nion | my firefox isn't running anymore as a normal user. i deleted .mozilla but this doesn't help. anyone made the same experience? |
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| 12:30.33 | b3nj | hi, got a little problem, i'm trying to mount a reiserfs3.6 drive on a woody 3.1 and it tells me /dev/blah is not a valid block device. Should I upgrade my kernel ? |
| 12:30.38 | Nod51 | I set up a firewall but now when I ctrl+alt+f1 I get lots of blocked packet information, is there a way to stop that and just log to file only? |
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| 12:30.41 | pete_ | Anyone know if there is a console MSN messenger client? |
| 12:30.49 | stew | b3nj: woody is 3.0 sarge is 3.1 |
| 12:30.49 | nion | pete_: centericq |
| 12:30.51 | liable | peterS: are you left handed? |
| 12:30.53 | Slippy | Yo |
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| 12:31.05 | pete_ | nion: great thanks |
| 12:31.05 | brto | hi everybody, I would like to install a 2.4.19 kernel in a debian system (which is running 2.4.26), but I can't find such package in the debian website. is there a reason for that? |
| 12:31.09 | jm_ | Nod51: yes |
| 12:31.09 | b3nj | stew: then i'm with sarge. |
| 12:31.10 | stew | pete_: bitlbee, naim |
| 12:31.38 | pete_ | stew: hehe, ok more popular than i thoght, whats the best? |
| 12:31.43 | stew | b3nj: what does "uanme -r" say? |
| 12:32.00 | b3nj | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 12:32.00 | antgel | stew: working on a patch for hebrew support |
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| 12:32.23 | b3nj | stew: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 12:32.33 | Nod51 | jm_: nice to know, got a link that I can read how to? |
| 12:32.38 | antgel | stew: do you build it? |
| 12:32.44 | stew | pete_: bitlbee is an irc server that you would connect to with your favorite irc client and it can talk to msn / aim |
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| 12:32.58 | stew | antgel: are you building the debian packge or the source from mozilla.org |
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| 12:33.20 | jm_ | Nod51: /msg dpkg printk console |
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| 12:33.25 | stew | b3nj: a kernel upgrade is unlikely to help |
| 12:33.43 | pete_ | stew: hmm, thats interesting |
| 12:33.44 | liable | damn, I should go to bed, but mythbusters is on... :) |
| 12:33.52 | Nod51 | jm_: thank you. |
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| 12:33.59 | jetx | !test |
| 12:33.59 | dpkg | No, jetx, you're not online any more. |
| 12:34.07 | b3nj | stew: ok no problem. to which kernel ? |
| 12:34.23 | stew | pete_: naim is a pretty snazzy ncurses interface, best if very subjective |
| 12:34.28 | stew | b3nj: UNlikely |
| 12:34.52 | pete_ | stew: i will give them a go :) and i thought i was going to have to use X for something, heh |
| 12:34.52 | b3nj | oh -then what could solve the problem- ? |
| 12:35.13 | pete_ | stew: i am gonna go play, thanks |
| 12:35.16 | stew | b3nj: are you sure you are trying the correct device? fdisk -l? does the /dev/blkdevice file exist? (are you using udev)? |
| 12:35.57 | b3nj | stew: yes i'm sure |
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| 12:36.28 | stew | b3nj: this was working and it suddenly stopped? or what? what has changed? |
| 12:36.28 | antgel | stew: from cvs |
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| 12:36.52 | lindi- | could somebody test "for i in `seq 1 10`; do xterm -e ssh -Xf `hostname` xclock; sleep 1; done" on a sarge system? i'm trying to figure out why it opens only 1-4 xclocks here (the bug disappears if i try to run strace or ltrace...) |
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| 12:37.15 | antgel | found the problem, gtk+-2.0-dev wasn't installed properly :) |
| 12:37.45 | b3nj | stew: no, as i said, i'm trying to mount a partition that was created on another distro. |
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| 12:37.51 | b3nj | stew: and another machine |
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| 12:39.46 | antgel | can anyone install x-dev or libx11-dev from unstable? i'm getting a 404 "not found" |
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| 12:41.32 | peterS | liable: (sorry, was away for a bit) no. "I know something you don't know ... I am not left-handed either." |
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| 12:42.43 | brto | (i will try just once more) hi everybody, I would like to install a 2.4.19 kernel in a debian system (which is running 2.4.26), but I can't find such package in the debian website. is there a reason for that? |
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| 12:43.16 | oKtosiTe | What's a good program to organize mp3s according to their id3 tags? |
| 12:43.22 | PerfDave | brto: Which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 12:43.42 | lindi- | brto: woody? |
| 12:44.02 | antgel | can anyone install x-dev or libx11-dev from unstable? i'm getting a 404 "not found" |
| 12:44.06 | brto | i am using 3.1 |
| 12:44.25 | oKtosiTe | lindi-: 2.4.26 isn't in woody... |
| 12:45.02 | brto | I have a kernel module that runs on 2.4.19 (previously i used a mandrake with that kernel) and i would like to use it once more... |
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| 12:45.11 | PerfDave | brto: Debian generally tries to only keep a small number of useful kernels pre-packaged, because it means they can be security patched more rapidly. 2.4.19 might be available from the Woody archives, or you could get the source from kernel.org and compile itself with make-kpkg |
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| 12:45.15 | dimir | antgel: I have it, using unstable. |
| 12:45.15 | PerfDave | brto: Which kernel module? |
| 12:45.19 | brange | how do I config my network to use dhcp? |
| 12:45.41 | dimir | antgel: I bet the mirror you use is fscked up. |
| 12:45.42 | liable | peterS: heh, ok :) |
| 12:45.43 | PerfDave | brange: Do you mean that you want to run a DHCP server, or have your computer use DHCP as a client? |
| 12:45.50 | brange | as a client |
| 12:46.06 | PerfDave | brange: Look in /etc/network/interfaces, read "man 5 interfaces" |
| 12:46.06 | brto | PerfDave: it's a module developed here in my university |
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| 12:46.11 | lindi- | oKtosiTe: true but it's not in sarge/sid either, they have 2.4.27 |
| 12:46.19 | brange | PerfDave okej, thanks |
| 12:46.25 | PerfDave | brto: Can you not compile it against a later kernel? Look at the module-assistant package. |
| 12:46.30 | chakie_ | regarding the missing non-us repository the topic says to ask dpkg about it, but the page that dpkg gives is 4 years old... :) |
| 12:47.00 | oKtosiTe | lindi-: I think it once was a sarge package before it went stable. |
| 12:47.10 | liable | peterS: what is it? |
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| 12:47.35 | peterS | liable: what is what? |
| 12:47.44 | PerfDave | chakie_: Yes, it was four years ago that the legislation changed. |
| 12:48.12 | liable | peterS: what you know that I dont ( as per your comment) |
| 12:48.12 | chakie_ | PerfDave: ok, so the non-us repositories have been legacy cruft since 2001? |
| 12:48.26 | brto | PerfDave: i tried to compile with the 2.4.26 but i did not worked, too many errors/warnings |
| 12:48.27 | lindi- | oKtosiTe: yeah, possibly |
| 12:48.34 | peterS | liable: oh, that was just a quote from a movie, "The Princess Bride" |
| 12:48.37 | brto | PerfDave: what is woody archives? |
| 12:48.52 | liable | peterS: oh :) |
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| 12:49.04 | PerfDave | chakie_: Not legacy cruft, but there's no way you'd want to change the archive setup during the lifetime of a stable release, so they had to wait for the next release. |
| 12:49.06 | oKtosiTe | lindi-: I think I recall running it at some point, before I ever even tried a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 12:49.25 | chakie_ | PerfDave: ok, thanks for clearing that up |
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| 12:49.44 | antgel | dimir: what version? mine wants to pull in 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 |
| 12:50.00 | PerfDave | brto: Woody is Debian 3.0; you could try adding apt sources for "woody" or "oldstable" and checking whether 2.4.19 is available there. |
| 12:50.02 | peterS | liable: the scene is, two guys are sword-fighting. the one compliments the other on his skill. "so why are you smiling?" "because I know something you don't know" "what's that?" "I am not left-handed." he then switches his sword to his right hand |
| 12:50.20 | peterS | liable: then the other guy does exactly the same thing, a couple minutes later. "I am not left-handed either." - and switches *his* sword to his right hand |
| 12:50.21 | antgel | PerfDave: i seem to recall that Woody didn't contain 2.4.19 |
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| 12:50.23 | PerfDave | brto: You're probably better off just fixing your module to work with a later kernel though. |
| 12:50.32 | liable | peterS: heh, havent seen that one. |
| 12:51.03 | dimir | antgel: same here: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 |
| 12:51.06 | peterS | liable: most quotable movie of all time, or nearly so. anyway, that's the reference. |
| 12:51.41 | liable | peterS: more so than monty python? |
| 12:51.43 | liable | :P |
| 12:51.59 | peterS | liable: about the same. the plot and acting are better |
| 12:52.25 | antgel | dimir: i think it is the mirror. that package works now and i just need libx11-dev and libxkbfile1 to update. thanks |
| 12:52.26 | Bklyn | peterS: TO THE PAIN! |
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| 12:53.01 | liable | peterS: never :) |
| 12:53.01 | peterS | Bklyn: you keep using that word |
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| 12:53.18 | Bklyn | I do not think it means what you think it means |
| 12:53.40 | dimir | antgel: no problemo ;-) |
| 12:53.42 | Bklyn | liable: its a must-see |
| 12:53.44 | peterS | liable: yeah, like, it *has* a plot, and the actors *act*. anyway, the brand of humor is different but IMHO The Princess Bride is eminently quotable. just ask Bklyn |
| 12:53.47 | Bklyn | definite classic |
| 12:53.56 | brto | PerfDave: could you recommend any guide to help detecting the differences between 2.4.19 and 2.4.26 modules? |
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| 12:54.34 | liable | !test |
| 12:54.34 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you're still online. |
| 12:54.41 | brto | PerfDave: I also found a 2.4.18 in "oldstable", I will try it. |
| 12:54.58 | liable | dpkg: thanks |
| 12:54.58 | dpkg | that's ok |
| 12:55.04 | peterS | liable: can't go wrong with cary elwes starring, and it was robin wright penn's first major movie |
| 12:55.18 | peterS | (back before she married mr. penn, just robin wright) |
| 12:55.23 | PerfDave | brto: Sorry, I'm not a kernel hacker. #linux might be able to help |
| 12:55.37 | Bklyn | peterS: and don't forget Wallace Shawn and A the G |
| 12:55.48 | peterS | Bklyn: wallace shawn? |
| 12:55.48 | Bklyn | (Andre the Giant) |
| 12:55.57 | Bklyn | he's um... |
| 12:55.59 | PerfDave | The Princess Bride is an awesome movie; the book is supposedly even better, but I haven't read it yet. |
| 12:56.03 | Bklyn | the older bald bad guy |
| 12:56.13 | peterS | ah, fezzini(sp?) |
| 12:56.32 | liable | isnt he the bond steel jaw? |
| 12:56.36 | PerfDave | If only Dubya had seen The Princess Bride - "Never go into a land war in Asia!" |
| 12:56.53 | TBBle | One of the classic blunders. |
| 12:56.58 | Bklyn | liable: no |
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| 12:57.00 | Phated | Heh. |
| 12:57.02 | Bklyn | liable: thats Richard Kiel |
| 12:57.06 | Phated | Unless in Singapore. |
| 12:57.21 | Bklyn | (and its Jaws) |
| 12:57.22 | liable | hmm ok |
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| 12:57.37 | brto | PerfDave: thank you anyway, the "oldstable" was a good hint, I was unaware of it. |
| 12:57.40 | liable | hah, yes, nit picker :) |
| 12:57.44 | TBBle | Andre The Giant played Fezzick, I think. |
| 12:57.56 | peterS | mawwwage. dat bwessed awangement. dat dweam wiffin a dweam. |
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| 12:58.13 | asuffield | why would anybody go into a land war in singapore? there's nothing there anybody wants :P |
| 12:58.20 | Phated | Ask the Japanese. |
| 12:58.37 | liable | thats sounds like elmer fudd |
| 12:58.50 | peterS | liable: yeah, it's a priest at a wedding in the movie |
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| 12:59.41 | erigato | anybody here can tell me the difference between ubuntu and debian? |
| 12:59.53 | PerfDave | erigato: Ubuntu is brown |
| 13:00.00 | erigato | PerfDave: and debian? |
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| 13:00.04 | peterS | blue |
| 13:00.07 | PerfDave | erigato: Is pretty and multicoloured :) |
| 13:00.15 | TBBle | I'd have thought red, myself. |
| 13:00.16 | liable | erigato: not easily answered.... |
| 13:00.27 | pourriture | I can't apt-get gimp because libexif10 is a dependency, libexif10 is not in unstable , but libexif12 is. It appears that someone forgot to tell dpkg that libexif12 satisfies the dependency for libexif10 (if indeed it does) ... am I better to do this manually on my machine or wait until someone changes the feed? |
| 13:00.33 | erigato | is ubuntu BAD? |
| 13:00.40 | liable | erigato: try em both, you tell us... |
| 13:00.41 | peterS | no, it's mostly just brown |
| 13:00.47 | PerfDave | erigato: Well, I don't like Ubuntu, but other people do :) |
| 13:00.56 | erigato | PerfDave: so not evil? |
| 13:01.05 | peterS | erigato: now ubuntoo, that would be evil |
| 13:01.07 | erigato | PerfDave: why don't u like it? |
| 13:01.13 | erigato | PerfDave: lol |
| 13:01.18 | peterS | or is that ubentoo? |
| 13:01.19 | sml | how do you unmount /boot. keeps saying "device is busy" |
| 13:01.21 | Phated | peterS: Heh. |
| 13:01.27 | sml | umount: /boot: device is busy |
| 13:01.33 | Phated | Erm, PerfDave. |
| 13:01.40 | nkuttler | pourriture: just wait a few days |
| 13:01.41 | sml | peterS: hiya was going to follow through what you told me earlier ( i just popped to lunch) |
| 13:01.43 | TBBle | For a start, you'll never find Princess Bride quotes taking over #ubuntu. (I presume, anyway) |
| 13:01.51 | liable | erigato: dont ask that shit here, it is basically trolling... |
| 13:01.55 | sml | peterS: you know mkdir /tmp/x; umount /boot; mount /dev/hda1 /tmp/x; cp -la /tmp/x/* /boot/ |
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| 13:02.02 | sml | peterS: can umount boot though. |
| 13:02.06 | erigato | dear chat, can i use your fine debian packages on ubuntu as well? |
| 13:02.07 | PerfDave | erigato: It's a matter of opinion. People like Branden (the Debian Project Leader) and Ian (the first DPL) think that Ubuntu is not doing all it could do to work with Debian for the best of both distros, which doesn't endear me to Ubuntu. Mostly I just can't see the point of it. |
| 13:02.08 | peterS | sml: right but without the -l, just cp -a |
| 13:02.23 | Phated | TBBle: #u has no sense of humour. In contrast, #d has a rich and perverted one. |
| 13:02.25 | peterS | erigato: sometimes. sometimes they break and we get bogus bugs filed |
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| 13:02.33 | PerfDave | erigato: Mixing packages between distributions is always a bad idea. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. |
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| 13:02.46 | erigato | PerfDave: shoot |
| 13:02.47 | PerfDave | erigato: But really, don't mix packages unless you *really* know what you're doing. |
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| 13:03.06 | erigato | PerfDave: but they are both dpkg |
| 13:03.11 | mortum | hi |
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| 13:03.27 | pourriture | nkuttler: thanks ... that was my gut instinct ... I learn how to manipulate that stuff from doing a qmail-rocks install (getting rid of exim and satisfying the dependency for MTA) but I didn't want to mess things up, especially as I won't need gimp for a while |
| 13:03.27 | erigato | PerfDave: and ubuntu is based on debian so i wonder what the diff is |
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| 13:03.31 | peterS | erigato: if you've ever lived in the rpm world, you know that there's a lot more to distribution compatibility than using the same package format |
| 13:03.32 | Phated | Yeah, but the brown mucks up everything. |
| 13:03.41 | sml | peterS: but i cant unmount /boot |
| 13:03.46 | TBBle | It's the people. Debian people are all cuddly. ^_^ |
| 13:03.53 | peterS | sml: why not? what does 'lsof /boot' say about it? |
| 13:04.13 | erigato | ubuntu has a nice release cycle unlike debian, right? |
| 13:04.14 | liable | TBBle: cuddly? |
| 13:04.30 | peterS | erigato: depends on what you mean by 'nice'. they release every 6 months |
| 13:04.37 | liable | TBBle: you're a furr? |
| 13:04.41 | TBBle | Well, I'm possibly taking some artistic license there. I didn't try cuddling anyone. |
| 13:04.42 | liable | :P |
| 13:04.47 | PerfDave | erigato: Define "nice". Ubuntu release software on a time-based schedule, Debian release software when it has no serious bugs. I prefer the latter. |
| 13:04.47 | oKtosiTe | In what man page do I find info on the possible options to use for swap devices in /etc/fstab? |
| 13:04.54 | erigato | peterS: isn't that nice then. how long did debian tak |
| 13:05.00 | sml | peterS: unmount says "device busy" |
| 13:05.02 | PerfDave | oKtosiTe: man fstab, or man mount |
| 13:05.05 | TBBle | Wait, furries have hijacked "cuddly" now? |
| 13:05.06 | peterS | oKtosiTe: probably 'man swapon' |
| 13:05.16 | peterS | sml: so, what does 'lsof /boot' say? |
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| 13:05.23 | erigato | PerfDave: i guess that's a good point |
| 13:05.34 | peterS | erigato: different debian releases took different amounts of time |
| 13:05.43 | oKtosiTe | PerfDave: it's not in fstab, and it would seem strange to put it in mount, because one uses swapon, not mount... |
| 13:05.53 | sml | peterS: doesn't display any output |
| 13:05.55 | PerfDave | erigato: The delay in the Sarge release was pretty poor, but that shouldn't happen again. A lot of infrastructural changes have taken place which should make things smoother in future :) |
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| 13:06.00 | oKtosiTe | peterS: nope |
| 13:06.06 | peterS | sml: then it shouldn't be busy. is it the current directory for any of your shells? |
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| 13:06.12 | abrotman | erigato: you're a desktop user .. not a server admin aren't you ? |
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| 13:06.31 | peterS | domo erigato, mr. roboto |
| 13:06.32 | PerfDave | erigato: Oh, and you can upgrade between Debian releases without reinstalling :) |
| 13:06.32 | erigato | PerfDave: but debian is supposed to be little less user friendly huh |
| 13:06.42 | erigato | abrotman: correct |
| 13:06.42 | abrotman | erigato: how so? |
| 13:06.54 | erigato | abrotman: what do you mean |
| 13:06.55 | Phated | TBBle: I recommend you try to cuddle furrywolf sometime. |
| 13:06.57 | PerfDave | erigato: Supposed to be? No, there's nothing in the Debian project which mandates lack of user friendliness. |
| 13:06.59 | abrotman | erigato: that's why you want a quick release .. because you don't care if your data goes in the shitter |
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| 13:07.01 | mikson | could somone help me with gettin sound in debian i changed kernels from 2.6.8 to 2.4 but it didnt help |
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| 13:07.27 | erigato | abrotman: well i got 2 backup drives |
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| 13:07.40 | nkuttler | mikson: /msg dpkg audio, /msg dpkg faq |
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| 13:08.03 | erigato | abrotman: i guess if i had a server i would think twice about putting unstable software on it |
| 13:08.17 | sml | peterS: nope i dont use /boot for any of the shells |
| 13:08.34 | PerfDave | mikson: Downgrading your kernel is probably not going to help you get audio working, 2.6 kernels seem to work better for audio. |
| 13:08.35 | erigato | PerfDave: so in ubuntu you have to reinstall? |
| 13:08.39 | sml | peterS: I do get the error message twice though! |
| 13:08.44 | peterS | sml: then it shouldn't be busy. you'll have to figure out why it is |
| 13:08.45 | mikson | thx |
| 13:08.46 | sml | umount: /boot: device is busy |
| 13:08.48 | sml | x 2 |
| 13:08.54 | sml | peterS: ok... thanks anyway |
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| 13:09.12 | peterS | sml: 'cat /proc/mounts' confirms that /boot is still mounted? |
| 13:09.14 | sml | peterS: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... you need to be root to get info from lsof |
| 13:09.18 | sml | peterS: klogd 417 root 2r REG 3,1 517164 28 /boot/System.map-2.4.27-2-k6 |
| 13:09.20 | peterS | sml: ah, yeah |
| 13:09.22 | aramanth | fo a simple sid backport i want only a deb-src ... unstable line right? |
| 13:09.28 | PerfDave | aramanth: Yes |
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| 13:09.37 | PerfDave | erigato: Most Ubuntu users I know find reinstalling to be the easiest way to upgrade between releases. I have no idea whether you *have* to do it. |
| 13:09.41 | allgood | hi all |
| 13:09.43 | aramanth | PerfDave, ty |
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| 13:09.49 | luulis | erigato: in my experience in theory you could upgrade ubuntu releases but in practice it doesnt work too well |
| 13:09.56 | allgood | can somebody give me a clue about this: Jul 25 09:58:22 isp named[29648]: socket.c:319: INSIST(fd >= 0 && fd < (int)1024) failed |
| 13:09.58 | allgood | Jul 25 09:58:22 isp named[29648]: exiting (due to assertion failure) |
| 13:10.01 | TBBle | Hmm. Experience with IRC suggests that I should do the opposite of any personal advice received from others... |
| 13:10.07 | sml | peterS: so the solution is to shutdown klogd ? |
| 13:10.12 | peterS | allgood: sounds like your daemon isn't running as root |
| 13:10.15 | peterS | sml: yeah |
| 13:10.25 | peterS | sml: /etc/init.d/klogd stop |
| 13:10.36 | allgood | peterS: it's running as 'bind' user |
| 13:11.00 | allgood | peterS: is there a way to fix this without giving it root permissions? |
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| 13:11.15 | PerfDave | aramanth: Are you using the Debian BIND packages? |
| 13:11.16 | peterS | allgood: well, I'm not sure that's the problem - looking at the message again, it looks like something else |
| 13:11.23 | PerfDave | Argh, sorry aramanth |
| 13:11.30 | PerfDave | allgood: Are you using the Debian BIND packages? |
| 13:11.37 | allgood | PerfDave: yep |
| 13:11.37 | aramanth | PerfDave, nope, im trying to install ruby on rails, no worries |
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| 13:12.11 | allgood | I'll give it root again... just to check |
| 13:12.25 | Phated | TBBle: It's not personal, silly. :) |
| 13:12.30 | PerfDave | allgood: Uhm, why did you change the permissions / ownership of the software inside the Debian package? |
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| 13:12.51 | sml | peterS: cool. all done :) |
| 13:12.59 | TBBle | Hmm. s/personal/non-technical/ maybe. |
| 13:13.00 | allgood | PerfDave: I've put '-u bind' on /etc/default/bind9 and chowned /var/cache/bind and /etc/bind to match this situation |
| 13:13.17 | aramanth | and apt-get build dep will not grab any packages from unstable? |
| 13:13.19 | PerfDave | allgood: But *why*? |
| 13:13.21 | peterS | sml: good deal. umount /tmp/x; rmdir /tmp/x then take /boot out of /etc/fstab |
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| 13:13.42 | allgood | PerfDave: bind was refusing to accept the ndc commands... after done that, it was working again. |
| 13:13.50 | PerfDave | aramanth: It shouldn't do, since the build dependencies are binary packages, not source packages. |
| 13:13.55 | sml | peterS: done ;) |
| 13:13.56 | PerfDave | aramanth: You'll want to set a default-release though. |
| 13:14.12 | aramanth | yeah its grabbing from stable |
| 13:14.22 | PerfDave | allgood: I've no idea what ndc commands are, since I don't use BIND, but I would have checked the BTS before taking such drastic action. |
| 13:14.38 | allgood | rndc accepts commands to stop and restart |
| 13:14.51 | allgood | # /etc/init.d/bind9 stop |
| 13:14.52 | allgood | Stopping domain name service: namedrndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 13:15.04 | PerfDave | allgood: And did you check the BTS? |
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| 13:15.33 | PerfDave | allgood: Did you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc, specifically anything that looks like a README.Debian file? |
| 13:15.37 | allgood | about the rndc yep |
| 13:15.39 | Justin | allgood: I wouldn't call "connect failed: connection refused" accepting commands |
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| 13:15.46 | stew | allgood: check daemon.log when it starts, read the README.Debian and make sure you ahve a rndc.key setup correctly |
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| 13:15.58 | erigato | so debian and ubuntu installers are somewhat the same? |
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| 13:16.08 | oKtosiTe | I've noticed that on my server, I can scroll up and down in man pages, where on my desktop machine, I can only move downwards. How can I adjust this behaviour? |
| 13:16.10 | allgood | Justin: do you know how to fix this, and why with "-u bind" it worked? |
| 13:16.27 | Justin | allgood: purge and reinstall the package? |
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| 13:16.36 | nkuttler | oKtosiTe: install less? |
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| 13:17.12 | liable | less is more.. |
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| 13:17.21 | allgood | fixed it |
| 13:17.27 | allgood | was a permission on rndc.key |
| 13:17.29 | liable | gah, stupid, but coldnt help it... |
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| 13:17.43 | allgood | do not know why it was originaly bind.bind with 640 |
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| 13:18.40 | allgood | well... let's see if it continues to stop |
| 13:18.59 | liable | nite.. |
| 13:19.19 | sml | peterS: Hrmm... now on running lilo after doing all of this I get : Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 13:19.23 | sameer | hi people |
| 13:19.41 | greycat | !people |
| 13:19.41 | dpkg | people are stupid |
| 13:19.43 | allgood | well... and, somebody can tell me what means the assertion message that was on the log? |
| 13:19.47 | greycat | !person |
| 13:19.47 | dpkg | somebody said person was like a bot, but squishier |
| 13:19.57 | sameer | can anyone suggest a library i can use to write cds |
| 13:20.06 | peterS | sml: probably a harmless warning. can be caused by various things |
| 13:20.29 | peterS | sml: did you, by any chance, use cfdisk to delete the hda1 partition? |
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| 13:20.31 | yaarg | a library eh |
| 13:20.38 | sml | peterS: seems lilo has noticed that boot is not on its own partition anyjmore ? |
| 13:20.51 | peterS | sml: that in itself isn't worrying |
| 13:20.54 | yaarg | any good library with pcs and cdwriters |
| 13:20.57 | Aglanor | hi there! anyone knows why krita is not on unstable? |
| 13:20.57 | peterS | sml: I mean, lilo shouldn't care |
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| 13:21.14 | peterS | sml: unless you have something like 'boot=/dev/hda1' instead of 'boot=/dev/hda' in lilo.conf |
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| 13:21.24 | sml | peterS: I wonder why I now get the error message. Ive not changed anything other than make /boot a dir off / rather than its own partition |
| 13:21.26 | peterS | sml: but even then you wouldn't get *that* warning |
| 13:21.27 | aramanth | after generating the backport i install with dpkg -i, or is there a better way? |
| 13:21.34 | sml | peterS: in lilo.conf i use /dev/hda |
| 13:21.51 | peterS | sml: good, good. did you change anything when you investigated with cfdisk? |
| 13:21.57 | sml | peterS: nope. |
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| 13:22.04 | sml | i only did fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 13:22.09 | sml | i.e. non interactive. |
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| 13:22.24 | peterS | sml: don't know then. it's usually a harmless warning anyway. how recently had you run lilo before, when it did not give this warning? |
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| 13:22.58 | sml | peterS: i ran it this morning when i installed the latest 2.4-k6 kernel. that was back when i had the old kernel on / and the new one on /boot (coz boot ran out of space). It worked without any errors then. |
| 13:23.05 | Coke | Uhm, how can I tell a job in my print queue to eject? It seems the job just "hangs". |
| 13:23.12 | stew | Aglanor: check wnpp and see if an itp or a rfp have been filed |
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| 13:23.42 | greycat | Coke: well, in SysV land, the command you want is "cancel". In BSD World, it's "lprm". |
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| 13:23.54 | Aglanor | stew: ok, will do now |
| 13:23.56 | sml | peterS: oh.. it *also* says Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' |
| 13:24.01 | Coke | greycat: no, I don't want to remove it, I want the printer to actualy print the page. |
| 13:24.09 | peterS | sml: oh. it's because of the new kernel you booted into. it's using devfs. |
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| 13:24.34 | greycat | Coke: try sending a job that just has a FF (Form Feed, Ctrl-L) in it. |
| 13:24.42 | sml | peterS: and so i need to do anything ? |
| 13:24.48 | peterS | sml: ignore the warning |
| 13:24.48 | sml | I dunno what devfs is. |
| 13:24.52 | sml | peterS: lol. ok. |
| 13:25.03 | Coke | greycat: ah, thank's, I think that's the command character missing. |
| 13:25.13 | Coke | greycat: I always do ctrl+d (which I guess is EOF) |
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| 13:25.30 | peterS | sml: nor should you need to know what devfs is (: it will be removed from kernel 2.6.13 or so |
| 13:25.32 | greycat | it's only EOF if you squint really hard ;-) |
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| 13:26.32 | peterS | greycat is probably one of those dudes who does 'stty eof ^Z' in .bash_profile |
| 13:26.45 | Anders | lol |
| 13:26.54 | mikson | i still have no sound soun card apears to be installed when i tyle lspci and i am in audio group |
| 13:27.03 | mikson | i checked with aumix if its muted but its not |
| 13:27.15 | mikson | type* |
| 13:27.34 | greycat | peterS: no, I meant something more along the lines of "Unix doesn't *actually* write a 0x04 byte into the file, it's just something the tty driver uses ..." |
| 13:27.48 | peterS | greycat: ja |
| 13:27.49 | liable | mikson: um, if doesnt appear in lspci, then.. it prolly fucked. |
| 13:28.01 | mikson | it apears there |
| 13:28.21 | mikson | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 13:28.34 | Coke | greycat: it also helps if the printer isn't broken and dead. |
| 13:28.39 | peterS | mikson: and you have the i810_audio module loaded? |
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| 13:28.52 | mikson | no |
| 13:28.54 | mikson | i dont think so |
| 13:29.16 | peterS | mikson: there are two drivers for that chip: i810_audio and snd-intel8x0. don't try to use both at once |
| 13:29.18 | liable | mikson: think or know? |
| 13:29.49 | mikson | more like know |
| 13:30.01 | mikson | how can you check curent drivers |
| 13:30.10 | abrotman | lsmod is one method |
| 13:30.39 | oKtosiTe | nkuttler: thanks. |
| 13:30.48 | mikson | there is i810 audio |
| 13:31.09 | peterS | mikson: do you have any module loaded that begins with snd_ or snd- ? |
| 13:31.18 | Whisky_ | how do I cd into a dir with spaces between its name? cd this lame dir |
| 13:31.25 | mikson | yes |
| 13:31.25 | peterS | Whisky_: cd 'this lame dir' |
| 13:31.25 | liable | mikson: what kernel? |
| 13:31.30 | plb | cd lame\ dir |
| 13:31.31 | Whisky_ | k |
| 13:31.35 | plb | or what peterS said |
| 13:31.35 | mikson | 2.6.8 |
| 13:31.39 | jm_ | Whisky_: ever heard of tab completion? |
| 13:31.54 | peterS | mikson: you shouldn't. the snd_ modules aren't compatible with i810_audio |
| 13:31.55 | liable | mikson: install alsa-base |
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| 13:32.06 | mikson | how |
| 13:32.12 | mikson | >< |
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| 13:32.50 | greycat | first, decide whether you are doing ALSA or OSS. |
| 13:32.54 | peterS | mikson: btw, if you *do* want to go with the snd_intel8x0 module, don't fall into the trap of loading snd_intel8x0m as well. it's pointless and will confuse you. |
| 13:32.57 | greycat | everything else follows from that. |
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| 13:33.34 | mikson | ok i want to use snd_intel8x0 |
| 13:33.42 | greycat | that smells like ALSA. |
| 13:33.47 | peterS | mikson: right, so install alsa-base as liable said |
| 13:33.51 | greycat | so first make sure you are using a kernel that has ALSA drivers |
| 13:33.57 | peterS | greycat: he's using 2.6 so yeah |
| 13:34.02 | greycat | ok. |
| 13:34.26 | mikson | do i have to remove something |
| 13:34.29 | mikson | or just install it |
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| 13:35.39 | Anders | hi, how can i get a /dev/midi device with my AC97 sound card (ALSA) |
| 13:35.55 | liable | mikson: just install it, then modprobe -r i810_audio, modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
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| 13:36.01 | peterS | doh, he just left |
| 13:36.15 | liable | meh |
| 13:36.34 | jm_ | does your card actually support MIDI? otherwise there's always virtual midi soundcard in ALSA |
| 13:36.35 | darkness | Hi folks. I've had sshd installed and working great since i was using woody. Now i've installed sarge and port 22 is refused and no conection. Now i'm possitive it's not a router fault. Any ideas? |
| 13:36.48 | Anders | jm_, doesn't all cards support midi anyway? |
| 13:37.07 | greycat | darkness: lsof -i :22 |
| 13:37.08 | Anders | anyway i know i've used midi in windows on the same machine |
| 13:37.10 | jm_ | Anders: no |
| 13:37.22 | TBBle | There's also the choice of timidity or vsynth(or something?) to pretend to be a midi device via your PCM output. |
| 13:37.28 | jm_ | Anders: might have been software based midi player, you can do the same in Linux |
| 13:37.36 | Anders | i see |
| 13:38.28 | darkness | lsof: unknown protocol name (22) in: -i 22 |
| 13:38.28 | darkness | lsof 4.74 |
| 13:38.28 | darkness | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.28 | darkness | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.28 | darkness | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:38.47 | mikson | thx guys sound works fine now i just had to isntall asla |
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| 13:38.50 | mikson | alsa |
| 13:39.04 | peterS | mikson: oh good. you might also 'rmmod i810_audio' simply because it's taking up memory for no reason |
| 13:39.21 | mikson | ok thx |
| 13:39.33 | peterS | mikson: and then 'rmmod ac97_codec', also unused |
| 13:39.48 | darkness | Sorry for flood greycat. But thats what i get. |
| 13:40.08 | mikson | done |
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| 13:40.09 | mikson | thx |
| 13:40.10 | mikson | once again |
| 13:40.44 | abrotman | darkness: i thinky ou need to read the man page |
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| 13:41.19 | darkness | But sshd was working fine. |
| 13:41.24 | darkness | So why not now? |
| 13:41.26 | abrotman | i meant on how to use lsof |
| 13:42.01 | oKtosiTe | What's a good program to organize mp3s in a directory structure according to their id3 tags? |
| 13:42.01 | greycat | darkness: you left out the colon in "lsof -i :22", didn't you? |
| 13:42.54 | darkness | That gives me nothing when typed in. |
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| 13:43.11 | Anders | jm_, pmidi -l returns 62:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0, (does that mean i have midi support? playing on that port doesn't work) |
| 13:43.39 | Aradorn | when you install new software in linux, is there any particular place to have it install to? |
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| 13:43.52 | Aradorn | the /home/<user> folder? |
| 13:43.54 | deeLer | Aradorn: no , just use apt-get install |
| 13:43.54 | PerfDave | Aradorn: If you're installing it by hand, put it in /usr/local - /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 13:43.59 | deeLer | if you're debian |
| 13:44.07 | darkness | darkness@darkness:~$ lsof -i :22 |
| 13:44.07 | darkness | darkness@darkness |
| 13:44.15 | PerfDave | Aradorn: If you're installing it by hand as non-root, then $HOME is probably the only place for it. |
| 13:44.33 | PerfDave | Aradorn: If you're installing it through Debian packages, it'll go where the Filesystem Hierarchy says it should go. |
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| 13:44.52 | greycat | darkness: as root. |
| 13:45.07 | Aradorn | k, im installing firefox so i can just stick it in the home/user folder and it should be fine? |
| 13:45.18 | PerfDave | Aradorn: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:45.28 | Overand | How usable is etch? |
| 13:45.28 | Aradorn | <- newb =P |
| 13:45.34 | darkness | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 13:45.34 | darkness | sshd 239 root 3u IPv4 151 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN) |
| 13:45.34 | darkness | darkness:/home/darkness# |
| 13:45.46 | PerfDave | Aradorn: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 13:45.53 | Aradorn | PerfDave: k |
| 13:45.59 | greycat | darkness: if you're getting connection refused on port 22 from that system, it's a firewall issue. |
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| 13:46.38 | darkness | Ok greycat. Totally confusing as i've spoken with netgear technical and upgraded the firmware. Still no dice. |
| 13:46.47 | Aradorn | PerfDave: is there a way to see what packages i can install using apt-get through a broswer? and not the terminal? |
| 13:47.01 | deeLer | apt-cache search Aradorn |
| 13:47.05 | Aradorn | k |
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| 13:47.12 | deeLer | or use synaptic |
| 13:47.13 | PerfDave | Aradorn: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:47.30 | kl12 | hi |
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| 13:47.40 | greycat | darkness: what does "telnet localhost 22" do from that system where sshd is running? |
| 13:47.49 | PerfDave | Aradorn: Out of interest, why did you install Debian if you didn't know about apt-get? And how did you install it without finding out about apt-get? |
| 13:48.05 | darkness | Connects greycat. |
| 13:48.15 | greycat | darkness: does "ssh localhost" work, then? |
| 13:48.17 | deeLer | got a point there PerfDave |
| 13:48.19 | deeLer | :) |
| 13:48.24 | darkness | yes. |
| 13:48.45 | Aradorn | i did know about apt-get just not all the fine details about what i can get from it. I thought it was more for base packages and things like GCC, x, etc... |
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| 13:49.00 | kl12 | anyone know how can i chage the ssh port? |
| 13:49.10 | PerfDave | Aradorn: No, apt-get can be used to install just about everything on a Debian system - the main Debian 3.1 repositories contain over 15,000 packages. |
| 13:49.11 | nkuttler | PerfDave: why would he need apt-get when he installs? |
| 13:49.12 | kl12 | change |
| 13:49.14 | Aradorn | im learning debian because thats what OS my cluster is being setup on. |
| 13:49.20 | deeLer | kl12: sshd.con |
| 13:49.21 | deeLer | f |
| 13:49.23 | nkuttler | kl12: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:49.28 | kl12 | ok :) |
| 13:49.30 | krystalino | is it possible to convert chm files to html ? |
| 13:49.31 | Aradorn | PerfDave: ah ok =) |
| 13:49.33 | sameer | hi people how can i get curved borders with gtk2 |
| 13:49.52 | PerfDave | nkuttler: The installer involves setting up apt repositories and mentions apt-get repeatedly, as does the Installation Manual and other documentation. |
| 13:49.54 | Aradorn | PerfDave: btw did netinstall using CD |
| 13:49.58 | nkuttler | Aradorn: you may want to look into aptitude as well |
| 13:50.06 | kl12 | nkuttler what another port can i use for ssh? |
| 13:50.19 | kl12 | any? |
| 13:50.58 | PerfDave | kl12: You can use any port you like for any daemon, pretty much. |
| 13:51.09 | kl12 | oh ok :) |
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| 13:51.31 | kl12 | thankyou |
| 13:51.38 | nkuttler | PerfDave: i admit it's been a long time since i installed debian |
| 13:51.50 | oKtosiTe | sameer: install a theme that uses curved borders? |
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| 13:52.48 | darkness | greycat: so if ssh localhost works, does that mean definate a router firewall problem? |
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| 13:53.58 | plb | hm |
| 13:54.05 | plb | anyone running fluxbox on stable? |
| 13:55.35 | nkuttler | !tell plb about ask |
| 13:55.50 | plb | heh |
| 13:55.51 | plb | ok |
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| 13:56.10 | plb | seems if i edit ~/.fluxbox/menu it doesn't change anything |
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| 13:56.25 | plb | lol |
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| 13:57.06 | asg | plb: make sure ~/.fluxbox/init actually points to ~/.fluxbox/menu |
| 13:57.14 | plb | hm ok |
| 13:57.29 | EvanCarroll | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:57.48 | Supermonkey | dont think i wanted to do that |
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| 13:57.59 | asg | plb: or rather the Menu configuration bit in ~/.fluxbox/init |
| 13:58.01 | Slippy | e |
| 13:58.15 | Supermonkey | does anyone know how to get an update to exports? |
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| 13:58.51 | Supermonkey | hi guys |
| 13:59.09 | Supermonkey | I've just updated my exports file, how do you make the update take affect? |
| 13:59.44 | plb | asg: thanks wasn't pointing there o_O |
| 14:00.05 | stew | Supermonkey: exportfs -ra |
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| 14:00.15 | Supermonkey | stew: many thanks |
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| 14:00.50 | honschu | Hi, is it possible to print to a local win32-only-shitty-printer? (maybe by wine?) |
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| 14:01.42 | gtigene_ | What is a reasonably simple way to create an exact copy of my Debian host (I have two physically identical computers)? |
| 14:01.51 | liran | someone remind me how to convert unix-time to real time? |
| 14:01.58 | petemc | gtigene_: dd and netcat |
| 14:02.06 | asg | liran: use Perl |
| 14:02.19 | petemc | gtigene_: tho there are numerous clone utilities, have a look at the ultimate boot cd for the most popular |
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| 14:02.30 | Lanix | can java be install on debian ? |
| 14:02.31 | sml | petemc: will dd be able to deal with bad blocks ? |
| 14:02.31 | Supermonkey | everyone is busy today |
| 14:02.32 | honschu | My mum has a printer-scanner-fax-win32-only and I would install linux, but the printer is win32-only. Any chance to get it to work? |
| 14:02.38 | asg | Lanix: /msg dpkg install java |
| 14:02.44 | Coke | gtigene_: there are some backup systems available in Debian which lets you do it in a correct and ordered fashion. |
| 14:02.45 | sml | petemc: or will it just copy then ad hoc ? |
| 14:02.52 | gtigene_ | petemc: where can I find out about ultimate boot cd |
| 14:02.53 | plb | i just installed java myself for shitty limewire woohoo |
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| 14:02.58 | petemc | gtigene_: google |
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| 14:03.17 | gtigene_ | petemc: thank you |
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| 14:03.35 | petemc | sml: im not sure thats relevant to this conversation, but it has some support, and theres an extension called dd_rescue which does |
| 14:03.37 | Supermonkey | check if hardware is supported |
| 14:03.42 | b3nj | what is the best way to automatically load iptables rules at startup (and saving at shutdown) ? |
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| 14:03.43 | kl12 | /etc/ssh/sshd_config as root? to chage the port? |
| 14:03.55 | petemc | gtigene_: its ultimatebootcd.com or some such |
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| 14:04.15 | sml | b3nj: from /etc/network/interfaces file see the post up./down stanzas and call your script from there. |
| 14:04.22 | Carwash | Hi. CAn you recommend me a linux/unix distro that has GUI, is user friendly, highly custimizable, and takes little disc space? |
| 14:04.35 | Supermonkey | Debian |
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| 14:04.37 | petemc | b3nj: the debian iptables init script has an option to save any running rules and load them automatically, think its /etc/init.d/iptables save , or something |
| 14:04.41 | Petaris | Can anyone tell me how well the ATI Radeon X300 works with linux? |
| 14:04.43 | sml | b3nj: /etc/init.d/iptables has been deprecated since you may wish certain rule sets to be activated depending on interface up/down. |
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| 14:04.47 | moi | hello, i wanna startup my dsl connection every boot time. i added S99adslstart to my rc folder. somehow it seems not everything is properly started at this point so adsl-start fails telling me this: pppd[841]: tcflush failed: Bad file descriptor. so my question: how do i execute my adslscript just at the very latest one in the boot process? |
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| 14:05.07 | sml | petemc: /etc/init.d/iptables no longer exists in debian_version>3.0 |
| 14:05.21 | elirips | hello. i am using xfce4 as desktop and gdm as loging manager. i cannot shutdown using the menue from xfce4, it complains about missing right. i added my username to /etc/xfce4/shutdown.allow and also added a line 'myusername localhost= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/xfce4-shutdown' to /etc/sudoers, but that doesn't help either. anyone in here who can shutdown with xfce? i am using sarge. |
| 14:05.28 | liran | asg: is there a way not to use perl? like using date |
| 14:05.41 | buzzrunner | update-rc -f -f service defaults i think moi |
| 14:05.46 | liran | asg: because i think it has a way of showing current time in unix-time format, so it must have a way of converting it |
| 14:05.50 | sml | firewall scripts should now be called from the interfaces file via the pre-up post-down stanzas |
| 14:05.51 | buzzrunner | update-rc.d * |
| 14:05.52 | Supermonkey | last time i checked this was #Debian |
| 14:05.56 | petemc | sml: feh, i still use /etc/rc.boot/ |
| 14:06.08 | b3nj | sml: aha, and how ? |
| 14:06.35 | Supermonkey | liran: indeed it does |
| 14:06.50 | Supermonkey | i did this a while ago but cant remember how |
| 14:07.03 | sml | petemc: the point is that you may wish specific firewall scripts run when certain interfaces are up or down and not just have a generic start/stop/reload like the usual start-stop-dameon scripts in /etc/rc.X |
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| 14:07.10 | mikson | how can you check running processes |
| 14:07.15 | Supermonkey | ps * |
| 14:07.21 | sml | petemc: but its a personal choice. one could simply follow on from woody's way of doing things. |
| 14:07.23 | petemc | sml: i can see how that would be useful |
| 14:07.30 | b3nj | sml: but i *need* general rulew |
| 14:07.34 | b3nj | rules. typo |
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| 14:08.24 | roman | hi, has anybody had a problem with motd after upgrading to sarge? mine has disappeared and can't find a way of getting it back. |
| 14:08.59 | moi | buzzrunner: k i'll check that |
| 14:09.23 | buzzrunner | moi i write like hell sorry, update-rc.d -f service defaults [ only one -f ] |
| 14:09.27 | Aradorn | is the sun JDK a debian package? cause i cnat find it |
| 14:09.51 | Aradorn | i see jikes and hte other JVMs, but is there one for suns? |
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| 14:10.15 | PerfDave | Aradorn: /msg dpkg java |
| 14:10.25 | PerfDave | Aradorn: Sun Java can't be packaged by Debian, because it's not Free Software. |
| 14:10.36 | PerfDave | Aradorn: Sun Java also has a nasty license which restricts your freedom to code. |
| 14:10.45 | Supermonkey | shame on those guys at Sun |
| 14:10.54 | Supermonkey | and they used to be such nice people too |
| 14:11.01 | PerfDave | Supermonkey: They did? When? :) |
| 14:11.04 | Supermonkey | :P |
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| 14:11.45 | Supermonkey | Supermonkey = amorphix (im sick of the association with Morphix so ive had to change my name) |
| 14:11.47 | lindi- | Aradorn: apt-get install free-java-sdk will fetch you jikes compiler and sablevm virtual machine |
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| 14:12.18 | Aradorn | ok tell me why ic ant get tomcat4 either, apt-get install tomcat4 returns: Package tomcat4 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only avilable from another source E: Package tomcat4 has no installation candidate |
| 14:12.44 | lindi- | Aradorn: it's still in contrib |
| 14:12.54 | PerfDave | Aradorn: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 14:13.02 | kl12 | anyone can helpme to edit ssh_config on vi? |
| 14:13.14 | Supermonkey | vi ssh_config |
| 14:13.15 | karnov | hy all, i need a little help... i need to stop a process just after his start (working with lsof) but i'm not too fast to press crtl+Z as quick as i want, someone knows hos to do??? |
| 14:13.20 | greycat | kl12: use nano -w if you don't know vi. |
| 14:13.28 | Aradorn | damn lol. if it isnt one thing its another |
| 14:13.38 | lindi- | karnov: hmm, why do you want to do this? |
| 14:13.41 | kl12 | ok |
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| 14:14.05 | PerfDave | Aradorn: Like I said, Sun's Java is non-Free. tomcat requires Sun's Java, so it's in the contrib repository, which is for Free software which requires non-Free software. |
| 14:14.08 | petemc | karnov: process & |
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| 14:14.16 | karnov | lindi- : need to debug my ldap |
| 14:14.27 | petemc | PerfDave: i used tomcat with blackdown for years |
| 14:14.32 | lindi- | karnov: but why do you awnt to stop lsof? |
| 14:14.38 | PerfDave | petemc: Is Blackdown Free? |
| 14:14.38 | moi | buzzrunner: heh thanks anyway. |
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| 14:14.48 | Aradorn | i guess i dont get how suns JVM isnt free, but ok =) |
| 14:14.54 | petemc | PerfDave: admittedly it broke recently, and i replaces it with suns to fix |
| 14:15.04 | Ungy | Aradorn, it's not opensource |
| 14:15.07 | petemc | PerfDave: off the top of my head, dont know - i dont much care either :) |
| 14:15.10 | karnov | lindi- : no dont want to stop lsof , ... i want to stop genent group , and diff the lsof |
| 14:15.16 | moi | buzzrunner: but it seems as if its still exectutet before some other scripts.. can i hold it with some sleep commands? |
| 14:15.19 | PerfDave | Aradorn: http://www.fsf.org/ - Free as in speech. |
| 14:15.23 | Ungy | Aradorn, Or it isn't distributed under a free lizcence |
| 14:15.28 | lindi- | Aradorn: check http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 14:15.43 | PerfDave | Aradorn: More importantly from a Debian perspective, /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 14:15.43 | Supermonkey | here is a curious problem.. my monitor is full of code like this: IN=eth1 OUT= MAC= SRC=(my ip address) DST=(another IP address) LEN=235 TOS=0x00.. anyone know what could be causing this? |
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| 14:15.57 | xoz | Supermonkey: the firewall |
| 14:16.03 | lindi- | karnov: how about doing "strace -o strace.out -f genent group"? |
| 14:16.14 | Aradorn | ah ok i got ya now =) |
| 14:16.15 | lindi- | karnov: grep open\( strace.out will show what it opened |
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| 14:16.18 | Supermonkey | how do i get rid of that spurious output? |
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| 14:16.46 | buzzrunner | moi why you use adsl-start and not pon command ? only curiosity |
| 14:16.50 | PerfDave | Aradorn: And again, installing Sun's JVM (and possibly others) requires agreeing to a license which restricts your ability to code |
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| 14:17.13 | Delgul | if I want to recompile xorg for debian, what source package do I need? xorg-x11 ? |
| 14:17.13 | moi | pon command? |
| 14:17.26 | greycat | !wayc |
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| 14:17.27 | Aradorn | how does that restrict you ability to code? |
| 14:17.35 | greycat | !listkeys wayc |
| 14:17.36 | PerfDave | Aradorn: Read the license |
| 14:17.37 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wayc' by key (1): CMD: wayc (.*). |
| 14:17.43 | greycat | !wayc Delgul |
| 14:17.43 | PerfDave | !wayc Delgul |
| 14:17.43 | Zambba | How can I get one package from experimental branch and all other packages from stable? |
| 14:17.45 | dpkg | Delgul: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 14:17.48 | petemc | Supermonkey: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 14:17.48 | karnov | lindi : yep but too much sign ... :) , but ... hum i will parse this ... txs |
| 14:17.53 | karnov | babaille all |
| 14:17.53 | Aradorn | are you saying that somewhere in the EULA there is a line that says they can snatch my progs cause i used their language? |
| 14:18.02 | Supermonkey | Zambba: backport |
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| 14:18.13 | PerfDave | Aradorn: /msg dpkg java licensing |
| 14:18.22 | xoz | Supermonkey: man klogd |
| 14:18.33 | PerfDave | Aradorn: No, they can snatch your progs because you installed their JVM. |
| 14:18.36 | Supermonkey | xoz: thanks, that was doing my head in couldnt find a way |
| 14:18.45 | Zambba | I want to get mozilla-firefox from experimental (I haven't found Deer Park from any backports) |
| 14:18.53 | PerfDave | Deer Park? |
| 14:19.09 | Zambba | An alpha/developing version of Mozilla Firefox |
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| 14:19.19 | PerfDave | Zambba: You'll need to backport by hand, I doubt packages from experimental will be binary-compatiable with stable any more. |
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| 14:19.21 | Delgul | dpkg: I need a special driver for the Via XvMC VLD hardware decoder. SUcks, I know, but I dont think there is a way around it... |
| 14:19.22 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Delgul |
| 14:19.55 | Zambba | Okay. I can't make "apt-get dist-upgrade" get mozilla-firefox packages from Experimental? :( |
| 14:19.58 | Delgul | dpkg:? |
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| 14:20.10 | PerfDave | Zambba: Not without trashing your system, no. |
| 14:20.19 | Zambba | Oh, okay |
| 14:20.26 | lildude | what is light desk top for fluxbox? |
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| 14:20.32 | PerfDave | Delgul: Read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages. |
| 14:20.38 | Zambba | I downloaded .deb from experimental and installed it and everything works. |
| 14:20.38 | Aradorn | PerfDave: ok so dosnt taht restrict all non-SUn implementations of the java language? meaning things like Jikes may not utilize all the java API or is it just for programs executed on a different JVM? |
| 14:20.59 | webwolf_27 | how can I set my monitor to 1024x786@60hz, I added it to XFree86Config-4 but I still can't change it |
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| 14:21.12 | torc | why does kernel no 32-bit box with 4GB of memory limit the avail memory to ~3GB ? |
| 14:21.28 | xoz | webwolf_27: make sure it is the default resolution. |
| 14:21.39 | PerfDave | Aradorn: I am not a lawyer. The GNU Java implementations are done in a clean-room style, I'm not sure about non-GNU, non-Sun implementations. |
| 14:21.45 | xoz | webwolf_27: try to comment out other resolutions |
| 14:21.54 | PerfDave | webwolf_27: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 14:21.57 | PerfDave | webwolf_27: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 14:22.15 | aramanth | afaik IBMs is derived from sun code, as is blackdown |
| 14:22.35 | abrotman | blackdown used to package Java for Linux because Sun didn't |
| 14:22.38 | aramanth | Jikes is cleanroom |
| 14:22.41 | webwolf_27 | xoz, I can't change it at all, all it offers right now 800x600@60hz and 640x???@50hz |
| 14:22.49 | lindi- | yeah, but jikes is just compiler |
| 14:22.53 | abrotman | i think IBM is clean-room |
| 14:22.58 | abrotman | you could ask #java :) |
| 14:23.09 | PerfDave | Or just apt-get install free-java-sdk ;) |
| 14:23.11 | xoz | webwolf_27: if the suggestion of dpkg is not possible, edit the configuration manually. |
| 14:23.12 | aramanth | ... they would know he was from here ... |
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| 14:23.55 | Aradorn | gah oh well |
| 14:24.10 | webwolf_27 | xoz, I did |
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| 14:24.31 | PerfDave | xoz: Yeah, better right up until you do something like install xorg and it blows up ;) |
| 14:24.52 | Zambba | uhhm I'm running xorg in sarge |
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| 14:25.03 | lindi- | PerfDave: indeed, gnu classpath is afaik the only practically usable free implementation of java class library at the moment |
| 14:25.18 | xoz | PerfDave: then, there is always complete reinstall of xorg which is trivial :) |
| 14:25.31 | xoz | *purge and *reinstall |
| 14:25.34 | abrotman | i can say that kaffe isn't very good as a JVM for tomcat usage |
| 14:25.43 | Delgul | PerfDave: Well I raid it (again) but it doesnt give me a clue on WHICH package I should use to recompile xorg. xserver-xorg seems to be unavailable (unstable btw) |
| 14:25.44 | PerfDave | xoz: Or just use debconf and not have the hassle in the first place ;) |
| 14:25.45 | Supermonkey | has the command exportfs been superceeded in unstable? |
| 14:25.59 | abrotman | !find exportfs unstable |
| 14:26.05 | lindi- | abrotman: fedora ships tomcat4 compiled with GCC |
| 14:26.09 | Petaris | Can anyone tell me how well the ATI Radeon X300 works with linux? |
| 14:26.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'exportfs' (4 of 25): (/usr/sbin/exportfs) in net/nfs-kernel-server ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/fs/exportfs/exportfs.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/fs/exportfs/exportfs.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/fs/exportfs/exportfs.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686. |
| 14:26.24 | Supermonkey | ah |
| 14:26.35 | dev1 | hi all. I have 30 PCs with the same hardware config. And want to run on them debian for students study. How to fast install/configure/restore debian on them? Please link me |
| 14:26.35 | abrotman | lindi-: i'm just saying that i had really bad issues trying to move from an IBM jdk to kaffe .. |
| 14:26.43 | xoz | PerfDave: there are cases where you have to tweak it and it is a great learning experience especially for options ot offered by debconf |
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| 14:26.47 | abrotman | lindi-: and i mean .. an *old* IBM jdk |
| 14:26.49 | buzzrunner | i can't understand a thing: wajig whichpkg foo works correctly but before show me results send me the annoying : JIG Warning: fping was not found. Consider installing the package fping. I have it correctly installed and in my PATH. |
| 14:26.51 | xoz | *not |
| 14:27.15 | abrotman | buzzrunner: are you trying to compile something ? |
| 14:27.20 | Supermonkey | maybe im confusing something here, is exportfs not used for updating an export used by nfs-user-server? |
| 14:27.24 | PerfDave | xoz: Uhm, there are very rare cases where you have to tweak it. 99.9% of users will never need to touch it. |
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| 14:27.36 | greycat | Petaris: the other day, I think someone said that card had just *recently* gotten support from the X.org driver. I don't know whether Debian's xserver-xorg packages have that yet. |
| 14:27.40 | PerfDave | Delgul: "apt-get source xserver-xorg" doesn't install the right source package for you automatically? |
| 14:27.46 | buzzrunner | no abrotman |
| 14:27.47 | lindi- | abrotman: i can believe that |
| 14:27.59 | Delgul | PerfDave: nope |
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| 14:28.05 | lindi- | abrotman: did you have issues with anything else than tomcat4? |
| 14:28.06 | greycat | Petaris: I would expect it not to have 3D support in XFree86. |
| 14:28.16 | abrotman | lindi-: and if you go to the kaffe site .. i think they say they are currently targeting(not fully done yet) Java1.1 spec or some crap |
| 14:28.23 | abrotman | lindi-: it was a app server .. that's all i cared about :) |
| 14:28.30 | Delgul | Delgul: correction |
| 14:28.30 | darkness | ok, seeing that i've exhausted most firewall problems with ssh not working. Plus i know i've been messing with config files trying to get ttysnoop working, is it an idea to reinstall sshd? |
| 14:28.33 | PerfDave | Delgul: Ah well, it's probably broken because you're running unstable. Have you checked the BTS? |
| 14:28.39 | xoz | PerfDave: well, the reason i use linux is because i like manual vi editing of configs :)... and maybe others. |
| 14:28.43 | abrotman | lindi-: and it might have even been tomcat3 |
| 14:28.46 | lindi- | abrotman: kaffe is 'just' a virtual machine, they are merging class library to gnu classpath |
| 14:28.47 | krystalino | do you know a pdf viewer in wich i could copy text for pasting it elsewhere ? |
| 14:28.52 | PerfDave | xoz: Wow, have you considered running LFS instead of Debian? |
| 14:28.52 | Delgul | PerfDave: it does, but build-dep doesnt work on it... |
| 14:29.02 | PerfDave | Delgul: Ah well, it's probably broken because you're running unstable. Have you checked the BTS? |
| 14:29.03 | abrotman | lindi-: whatever it is .. it's a piss poor implementation :) |
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| 14:29.12 | Delgul | PerfDave: BTS? |
| 14:29.17 | majik | hi all |
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| 14:29.18 | FieldySnuts | !gentoosmite xoz |
| 14:29.21 | abrotman | !btssmite Delgul |
| 14:29.26 | lindi- | abrotman: so all the fixes that go to gnu classpath automatically go to all the 25+ jvm projects ;) |
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| 14:29.33 | majik | im about to install sarge, but first, does it support d-link wireless cards? |
| 14:29.35 | xoz | PerfDave: maybe because i started with slackware. |
| 14:29.45 | Petaris | greycat: ok, thanks |
| 14:29.46 | Supermonkey | time to switch to nfs-kernel-server |
| 14:29.58 | abrotman | lindi-: this was before sarge's release .. might be better now |
| 14:30.05 | lindi- | abrotman: ok, but as i said redhat is really pushing hard to get tomcat4 to their distro. so expect it to work well |
| 14:30.06 | keenan | majik: I'm using a d-link 520+ but I had to compile an external driver |
| 14:30.08 | Delgul | ouch... |
| 14:30.18 | majik | keenan: which driver can i ask? |
| 14:30.21 | Supermonkey | does anyone know what the major difference is between nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server? is there any performance benefit to using kernel-server? |
| 14:30.24 | majik | i have the same card |
| 14:30.27 | keenan | majik: http://rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de/~andi/acx100/ |
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| 14:31.14 | abrotman | lindi-: they should be .. but RH doesn't always get it right on the first try |
| 14:31.25 | xoz | Supermonkey: yep. but your mileage may vary. |
| 14:31.37 | majik | keenan: was it difficult to get it to work? |
| 14:31.40 | Supermonkey | ok |
| 14:31.44 | lestest | hi there ... where (what pakg) do I find libc man pages? they are not in glibc-doc |
| 14:31.53 | abrotman | libc6 ? |
| 14:31.57 | keenan | majik: just apt-get install kernel-build-whatever and compile it |
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| 14:32.16 | lestest | abrotman: yep |
| 14:32.18 | lindi- | abrotman: true :) |
| 14:32.28 | abrotman | lestest: should be there when you install libc6 or libc6-686 |
| 14:32.29 | plb | anyone wanna take a look at my iptables script in progress..its small but my iptables -L output looks a bit off compared to the script |
| 14:32.36 | majik | thats kinda hard isnt it when you dont have a network working? |
| 14:32.37 | abrotman | plb: #iptables |
| 14:32.42 | plb | ok |
| 14:32.44 | keenan | majik: I think Ubuntu supports acx100 cards out-of-the-box |
| 14:32.47 | greycat | lestest: manpages-dev |
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| 14:33.04 | lestest | greycat: thankz |
| 14:33.08 | lestest | abrotman: nope |
| 14:33.17 | abrotman | lestest: like a man page for what exactly? |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | and don't say glibc-doc or anything .. what are you trying to read |
| 14:33.31 | majik | keenan: i dont have a lan card, only wireless. so i need to get everything working from install |
| 14:33.46 | greycat | abrotman: manpages-dev has things like printf(3) |
| 14:34.00 | abrotman | yeah .. but libc6 has man pages |
| 14:34.13 | lestest | abrotman: libc |
| 14:34.19 | greycat | a few. |
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| 14:34.25 | greycat | lestest: WHAT MAN PAGE? |
| 14:34.35 | xoz | what about C++ man pages? is there a info or man for stl, iostream, etc? |
| 14:34.41 | abrotman | lestest: there are many man pages .. which one EXACTLY are you trying to read ? |
| 14:34.52 | abrotman | like .. man printf .. man strstr ? WHAT |
| 14:34.59 | xoz | lestest: try man -a <keyword> |
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| 14:35.22 | keenan | majik: you could try burning the deb packages on a cd or something, but you might need a lot of them to build a kernel module |
| 14:35.33 | keenan | majik: or use Ubuntu as I said |
| 14:35.57 | abrotman | is it madwifi ? |
| 14:36.02 | abrotman | majik: madwifi card ? |
| 14:36.34 | florz | Is there anyone who has a clue of Linux tc and could tell me why http://florz.dyndns.org/gnurgl.txt doesn't prioritize packets to a.b.c.d? |
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| 14:37.00 | xoz | lestest: or apropos <keyword> |
| 14:37.06 | abrotman | man -k ... |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | lots of options |
| 14:37.10 | majik | abrotman: dlink 520+ |
| 14:37.18 | majik | keenan: i havent heard of ubuntu |
| 14:37.21 | abrotman | majik: which chipset .. is it based on madwifi ? |
| 14:37.30 | abrotman | majik: you might want to ask #wireless which chipset it's based on |
| 14:37.36 | PerfDave | majik: ubuntu is a Debian-based distro, and is not supported here. #ubuntu |
| 14:37.37 | keenan | it's acx100 |
| 14:37.43 | keenan | i have a 520+ too |
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| 14:38.21 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=acx100-source |
| 14:38.22 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 14:38.26 | majik | ive found a how to, thanks keenan |
| 14:38.32 | keenan | no prob =) |
| 14:38.35 | abrotman | the source is in debian |
| 14:39.22 | PerfDave | antgel: Yeah, I hope the author gets enough funding to Free qemu-accel |
| 14:39.22 | keenan | majik: oh and keep in mind you need the firmware from the windows cd or something |
| 14:39.34 | cbr | unstable still down? |
| 14:39.43 | PerfDave | cbr: "still down"? |
| 14:39.43 | abrotman | you mean .. newraff .. or whichever it is ? |
| 14:39.52 | abrotman | PerfDave: incoming i think he means |
| 14:39.58 | majik | keenan: yep i have the manufactors cd |
| 14:40.03 | majik | somewhere.... |
| 14:40.07 | cbr | PerfDave: it gets no updates |
| 14:40.08 | cbr | or smth |
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| 14:40.17 | cbr | and ftp.debian.org seems dead |
| 14:40.17 | abrotman | something |
| 14:40.20 | abrotman | it's a word |
| 14:40.36 | abrotman | cbr: they were moving servers over the weekend .. be patient |
| 14:40.40 | JohnnyST | Dose someone have any recomendations on what USB bluetooth dongels that works good in the 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:40.44 | PerfDave | cbr: Yeah, that's nothing to do with unstable though ;) |
| 14:41.01 | PerfDave | JohnnyST: Google for "bluetooth linux" |
| 14:41.05 | Aradorn | how do you uninstall a package? (just for future reference) |
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| 14:41.11 | cbr | PerfDave: well, i'm using unstable, dont care about the rest much :p |
| 14:41.17 | PerfDave | Aradorn: man apt-get |
| 14:41.17 | abrotman | !tell Aradorn about refcard |
| 14:41.27 | PerfDave | cbr: Your problem is not related to unstable ;) |
| 14:41.28 | majik | keenan: could i get a copy of your config file for your wireless? |
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| 14:41.58 | Aradorn | ah ok |
| 14:42.04 | Aradorn | didnt read far enough down thanks =) |
| 14:42.11 | keenan | majik: just put "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:42.28 | keenan | majik: man interfaces |
| 14:42.28 | berzerka | abrotman: you just mentioned a 'libc6-686' package. aptitude show gives me no output. where can i read more about that package? |
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| 14:43.10 | abrotman | gah .. i named it wrong |
| 14:43.11 | majik | mine is not dhcp tho :/ |
| 14:43.16 | elirips | hello. i am using debian sarge with kernel 2.6.8 on an old sony vaio laptop. i am using the kenrel options "acpi=off" and "apm=on" to enable apm and disable acpi. now the system does not power off after shutdown, does someone know how to correct this? |
| 14:43.30 | Justin | elirips: add apm to /etc/modules |
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| 14:43.43 | abrotman | berzerka: libc6-i686 |
| 14:44.01 | abrotman | berzerka: that is the correct name of the package |
| 14:44.10 | cbr | abrotman: is it official? |
| 14:44.20 | abrotman | !info libc6-i686 sarge |
| 14:44.23 | dpkg | libc6-i686: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]), section libs, is extra. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 937 kB, Installed size: 2148 kB |
| 14:44.28 | abrotman | everyone happy? :) |
| 14:44.44 | cbr | can i use that instead of libc6 ? |
| 14:44.44 | berzerka | abrotman: ah, im sorry. but thats strange, aptitude gave me no output at all, normally meaning the package exists but has no description, correct? |
| 14:44.46 | elirips | Justin: thanks, i'll try that. |
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| 14:44.52 | abrotman | cbr: i think you install it with . .. not instead |
| 14:45.00 | KerPlunk | Is xorg going into etch...because I see xorg packages being added to sid |
| 14:45.01 | majik | here goes, hopefully ill see you in a hour or 2... wish me luck |
| 14:45.08 | KerPlunk | Or will xorg be in the next release after etch? |
| 14:45.09 | abrotman | berzerka: i missed the 'i' .. apt-cache search libc6 686 |
| 14:45.22 | abrotman | KerPlunk: eventually |
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| 14:46.22 | berzerka | abrotman: i know, but try 'aptitude show libc6-686', it gives 'no' output, and not package not found, so a package named libc6-686 exists.. |
| 14:46.40 | abrotman | berzerka: libc6-i686 .. notice the I |
| 14:47.04 | xoz | any program to lists all installed packages sorted by size? |
| 14:47.10 | xoz | *list |
| 14:47.11 | berzerka | man you dont get it, i have the description.. thanks anway |
| 14:47.15 | abrotman | xoz: grep? sort? :) |
| 14:47.32 | abrotman | berzerka: i don't use aptitude .. but the package isn't named libc6-686 .. it is named libc6-i686 |
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| 14:48.03 | abrotman | i'm not even sure i have aptitude installed any hwere |
| 14:48.15 | plb | hm iptables script should be placed in /etc/network/if-up.d right? |
| 14:48.26 | berzerka | oh.... |
| 14:48.29 | abrotman | plb: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 14:48.34 | abrotman | berzerka: do you get it now :) |
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| 14:48.48 | cbr | abrotman: do you know of any timetable for libc6 2.3.5 into sid? |
| 14:48.55 | abrotman | cbr: nope ... |
| 14:48.59 | cbr | is there any? |
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| 14:49.09 | berzerka | im sorry i used apt-get until just now.. aptitude just gives no package not found notification... |
| 14:49.12 | cbr | or why isn't it in already |
| 14:49.13 | abrotman | cbr: ask the maintainers ... |
| 14:49.24 | abrotman | berzerka: ah ok |
| 14:49.46 | abrotman | cbr: maybe after gcc4 comes in .. ask the maintainer |
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| 14:49.50 | abrotman | !maint libc6 |
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| 14:49.54 | dpkg | libc6: GNU Libc Maintainers <debian-glibc@lists.debian.org> |
| 14:49.55 | berzerka | whereas apt-get sometimes gives 'no' output for packages that exist.. |
| 14:50.02 | KerPlunk | abrotman: What are those xorg packages on unstable...can I install xorg on unstable now? |
| 14:50.08 | abrotman | cbr: or read that mailing list |
| 14:50.14 | abrotman | KerPlunk: if you're running unstable you can |
| 14:50.19 | cbr | i'll try #debian-glibc |
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| 14:50.39 | kie27 | howdy all, just tightening up the security on my servers, are there any reasons that i should not disable discard and time services? |
| 14:50.45 | abrotman | cbr: http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/ |
| 14:51.23 | abrotman | you know .. for something as "small" as libc .. that's a busy mailing list :) |
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| 14:52.05 | abrotman | xoz: deborphan ? |
| 14:52.13 | abrotman | oh .. dinosaur big . not old |
| 14:52.52 | bleeber | never really heard dino used as big before.. hrmm |
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| 14:53.10 | abrotman | he's a foreigner :) |
| 14:53.14 | bleeber | ahh |
| 14:53.17 | bleeber | :) |
| 14:53.21 | FieldySnuts | kie27: whatever you don't use disable it |
| 14:53.34 | xoz | abrotman: yep. deborphan those dinosaurs. they keep multiplying in my hd eventhough they are engineered to have no sex :) |
| 14:53.53 | FieldySnuts | !shag xoz |
| 14:54.10 | FieldySnuts | haha okay somebody definately modified it to spoof a monty python sketch |
| 14:54.21 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: factinfo shag |
| 14:54.21 | dpkg | shag -- created by crossfire <cf@host62-7-39-193.btinternet.com> at Thu Dec 28 19:54:42 2000 (1669 days); it has been requested 18 times, last by jlj_ at Thu Jun 23 05:12:45 2005. |
| 14:54.34 | FieldySnuts | hrm |
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| 14:56.03 | kie27 | FieldySnuts: don't disable time or discard or both? how about daytime? |
| 14:56.40 | xoz | !cluebat me |
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| 14:56.51 | xoz | heh |
| 14:57.01 | wam | kie27: are you talking about entries in inetd? |
| 14:57.08 | kie27 | yes |
| 14:57.28 | wam | kie27: you can safely disable anything. Except another server (from your farm) depends on it. |
| 14:57.31 | abrotman | !cmd: cluebat (.*?) =~ s/woody/sarge/ |
| 14:57.42 | abrotman | uhm |
| 14:58.04 | abrotman | !smack dpkg |
| 14:58.14 | Phated | abrotman: I think you need to address dpkg by nick. |
| 14:58.19 | abrotman | Phated: i got it in /msg |
| 14:58.23 | Phated | Ah. |
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| 14:59.51 | arnon | what're the steps for changing source code package, recompile that package |
| 15:00.13 | arnon | first of all I don't have the source code for that package |
| 15:00.13 | bleeber | xoz: why? |
| 15:00.20 | arnon | and that package was being installed using apt-get |
| 15:00.21 | abrotman | whihc package? |
| 15:00.27 | arnon | snort |
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| 15:00.36 | abrotman | snort has no source? |
| 15:00.39 | arnon | I need to edit snort source code to add a plugin |
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| 15:00.48 | abrotman | apt-get source snort ? |
| 15:00.56 | cac | anyone speek spanish here ? |
| 15:01.18 | arnon | abrotman, that doesn't work |
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| 15:01.38 | R2_2k | apt-get -b snort |
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| 15:01.57 | xoz | bleeber: mozilla is more stable :) |
| 15:02.07 | Matteus | which apt- or dpkg command to lit files in a .deb |
| 15:02.13 | Matteus | which apt- or dpkg command to list files in a .deb |
| 15:02.14 | abrotman | Matteus: man dpkg |
| 15:02.18 | bleeber | xoz: ahh. |
| 15:02.21 | arnon | R2_2k, Invalid operation snort |
| 15:02.27 | R2_2k | install |
| 15:02.28 | R2_2k | sorry |
| 15:02.29 | R2_2k | ;p |
| 15:02.31 | R2_2k | apt-get |
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| 15:02.32 | Matteus | eek |
| 15:02.34 | xoz | Matteus: dpkg -L? or ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 15:02.35 | R2_2k | you'll see help it list source |
| 15:02.47 | bleeber | apt-get -b install snort |
| 15:02.50 | R2_2k | wee |
| 15:02.53 | Matteus | xoz the .deb is not install yet |
| 15:02.54 | sunbin | i apt-get update,the result "获å–：1 ftp://218.22.45.5 sid/misc Packages [31.8kB] |
| 15:02.56 | sunbin | å‘½ä¸ http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 15:02.56 | sunbin | å‘½ä¸ http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Release |
| 15:02.56 | sunbin | å‘½ä¸ http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib Packages |
| 15:02.56 | sunbin | å‘½ä¸ http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib Release |
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| 15:02.57 | xoz | Matteus: dpkg -L? or ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:03.29 | arnon | R2_2k, I did that, now where did it put the source code...? |
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| 15:04.04 | abrotman | sunbin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 15:05.09 | R2_2k | haha now that is a Better question, im just a noob i only know source option cause of help - i would say defualt install path for snort though, did you see it build ? |
| 15:05.15 | Matteus | hmm I'm s*rewed |
| 15:05.20 | arnon | R2_2k, no... |
| 15:05.31 | xoz | Matteus: why? |
| 15:05.34 | R2_2k | what did apt say after cmd? |
| 15:05.41 | quiet | am I correct that I can cancel in the middle of downloading from an 'apt-get dist-upgrade', shutdown, go to a different location (i.e. - faster connection) and continue.. without hurting anything? |
| 15:05.49 | arnon | R2_2k, snort is already the newest version. |
| 15:05.57 | Matteus | xoz, this ATI radeon drvs doesn't support 7000, 8500 and above |
| 15:06.02 | xoz | quiet: yep. just update first. |
| 15:06.09 | elirips | here on my sony vaio pcg-505e the touchpad is working, but the buttons of the touchpad are not. i have set Device to /dev/psaux and Protocol to "PS/2" in xf86config-4. someone an idea how i might the the buttons of the touchpad working too? |
| 15:06.09 | quiet | before i restart? |
| 15:06.11 | Matteus | xoz, this ATI radeon drvs doesn't support 7000, just 8500 and above |
| 15:06.47 | abrotman | Matteus: the Xfree or ATI drivers? |
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| 15:07.07 | bleeber | elirips, i would set it to /dev/input/mice |
| 15:07.11 | Matteus | abrotman I have X 4.3 need drv for my Rad 7000 |
| 15:07.28 | bleeber | elirips, then mine worked fine |
| 15:07.28 | drac | 7000 has good native support from 2.6 kernel and X.Org, and somewhat same but slower support in XFree86. |
| 15:07.29 | abrotman | Matteus: Xfree86 includes drivers for 7000 |
| 15:07.40 | Matteus | abrotman ahh :) |
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| 15:07.55 | elirips | bleeber: thanks, i'll give that a try. |
| 15:08.09 | elirips | bleeber: protocol is PS/2 on your system too? |
| 15:08.11 | Matteus | I run kernel 2.4.23 atm |
| 15:08.23 | Matteus | Athlon XP 1800 this one |
| 15:08.26 | xoz | elirips: you have to edit manually x config. or check tpconfig, ksynaptic, qtsynaptic |
| 15:08.33 | bleeber | elirips, I think so but down have my thinkpad with me |
| 15:08.40 | cac | need someone hwo can tell me where i can download the debian linux¡¿¿¿¿ |
| 15:08.40 | bleeber | *dont |
| 15:08.44 | Matteus | down = don't |
| 15:09.00 | xoz | cac: www.debian.org |
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| 15:09.03 | bleeber | thanks for the correction Matt |
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| 15:09.11 | Matteus | bleeber np :) |
| 15:09.13 | KerPlunk | abrotman: Do you think it's a good idea to run xorg with unstable..or not yet? |
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| 15:09.17 | jay | I'm using debian sarge and there doesn't seem to be a modprobe.conf file any more. where do I put my aliases and options now? I see modules.conf, but it says I shouldn't edit that file. |
| 15:09.21 | cac | <xoz> how manny cd-s ? |
| 15:09.26 | xoz | KerPlunk: worked for me |
| 15:09.28 | abrotman | KerPlunk: dunno . i run stable .. i like my stuff to work :) |
| 15:09.33 | bleeber | in /etc/modules ? |
| 15:09.44 | bleeber | in /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 15:09.47 | KerPlunk | xoz you have any problems...or it just worked out of the box? |
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| 15:09.58 | elirips | bleeber: unfortunatly it doesnt work.. still touchpad working fine, but buttons not. |
| 15:10.10 | Matteus | I'm runing testing, but non-us doesn't seem to exist anymore |
| 15:10.12 | xoz | cac: get netinsall... one cd only... install the other's after installing the base files which are quiet enough for most apps |
| 15:10.19 | xoz | *others |
| 15:10.21 | elirips | but a double-click on the touchpad works.. strange. |
| 15:10.22 | abrotman | !topicfsck Matteus |
| 15:10.29 | bleeber | elirips, let me go get her |
| 15:10.31 | cac | <xoz> ok......tanks |
| 15:10.32 | xoz | KerPlunk: out of the box |
| 15:10.38 | KerPlunk | k, thanks |
| 15:10.42 | KerPlunk | I'll install xorg then. |
| 15:10.46 | jay | so it's ok to edit modules.conf? |
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| 15:10.56 | quiet | xoz, i do use netinstall.. |
| 15:11.04 | quiet | i am upgrading from stable to testing |
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| 15:11.07 | xoz | KerPlunk: it's just like upgrading to the next version of X althouth the config now is copied to xorg.conf |
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| 15:11.36 | sky0 | jay: /etc/modules.conf is generated by update-modules with data from /etc/modutils; edit the those files and run update-modules. |
| 15:11.39 | quiet | xoz, that's what i am considering cancelling, going homeon my lunch break to finish downloading, then come back to work and finish the upgrade... |
| 15:11.45 | sunbin | i run "apt-get update",but it can't update |
| 15:12.00 | quiet | sunbin, can't connectto server? |
| 15:12.02 | jay | ok, thanks |
| 15:12.05 | omi | hey, would anyone know how to get Korean input working under kde? I think I'm missing the korean keyboard layout since the 'kde keyboard tool' cannot find the layout |
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| 15:12.15 | Matteus | sunbin, are your apt source.list correct? |
| 15:12.23 | quiet | sunbin, try apt-setup and select a new mirror? |
| 15:12.50 | xoz | quiet: err, netinstall is a cd install... what you mean is upgrading from the internet. yeah. you can always interrupt and upgrade later. dpkg is smart enough to download only the files not yet downloaded. |
| 15:12.57 | sunbin | ftp://218.22.45.5 sid/ustc Packages |
| 15:13.07 | sunbin | OK,thanks |
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| 15:13.27 | omi | is there such thing as /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ko ? |
| 15:13.39 | quiet | xoz, yeah that's what i though.. thanks.. (i know netinst is a cd install) i have the whole system already running.. i'm just upgrading to testing.. |
| 15:13.41 | xoz | sunbin: apt-setup and choose the nearest mirror to your place |
| 15:13.45 | omi | or some other daemon needs to be instlaled to get korean input to work? |
| 15:14.27 | sunbin | :) |
| 15:14.28 | xoz | quiet: you can even interrupt now and upgrade... you'll notice that it will fetch from the file it left off. |
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| 15:15.19 | quiet | xoz, yeah, I thought debian was smart enough to handle that stuff.. i was just verifying that it wouldn't break a package database er something... |
| 15:15.21 | xoz | quiet: just apt-get update first when you change the sources.list so that it will update its link to the new sources. |
| 15:15.32 | quiet | ohi did that |
| 15:15.41 | quiet | i changed it from stable to testing and update |
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| 15:15.47 | quiet | now i'm working ont he dist-upgrade |
| 15:15.52 | quiet | on the* |
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| 15:16.10 | abrotman | quiet: depending on your needs .. you might want to point at etch instead |
| 15:16.23 | quiet | i just have a much faster connection at home than at work.. lol |
| 15:16.28 | xoz | quiet: just in case it breaks... just try dpkg --pending --configure. then, upgrade... alternately no more problem. |
| 15:16.33 | quiet | i thoguht etch WAS testing? |
| 15:16.43 | xoz | *until no more problem |
| 15:16.53 | RetroMan | do you guys recommend getting the CD or the DVD release of Debian? Its possible to install from the first CD and use apt-get to get anything else later, right? |
| 15:16.54 | abrotman | it is .. but the name matters .. eventually etch will be released as stable .. and i'm not sure what you're trying to track |
| 15:16.55 | quiet | xoz, okay cool, thanks |
| 15:17.02 | abrotman | !d-i RetroMan |
| 15:17.03 | dpkg | RetroMan, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 15:17.37 | quiet | okay thanks abrotman |
| 15:18.13 | quiet | just an OTW question.. anyone know what's next after etch? |
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| 15:19.05 | abrotman | quiet: Toy Story 2 ? |
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| 15:19.10 | kie27 | thanks all, bye |
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| 15:19.13 | abrotman | i think they're out of characters in TS1 |
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| 15:19.20 | xoz | etchy-bitch-tinny-winny yello polka-dot bikini.... next versions in debian horizon. |
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| 15:19.25 | xoz | *bitchy |
| 15:19.28 | quiet | lol.. they haven't use ALL the names yet have they? |
| 15:19.36 | abrotman | http://imdb.com/title/tt0114709/ |
| 15:19.43 | abrotman | except for Andy ... |
| 15:19.50 | deego | Did anyone receive the 19th july DWN in email?.. (i didn't..) |
| 15:19.57 | abrotman | oh wait .. i see a Scratch |
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| 15:20.13 | lehel | hello |
| 15:20.16 | lehel | tcpdump -i any port 4569 < this is correct? |
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| 15:20.34 | quiet | was there a buzz? |
| 15:20.36 | simonrvn | why don't you try it and see? |
| 15:20.38 | quiet | or rex? |
| 15:20.46 | abrotman | !releases |
| 15:20.46 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 15:20.49 | simonrvn | @buzz |
| 15:20.49 | ravenbird | hmm... buzz is Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg) |
| 15:20.50 | abrotman | quiet: ^ |
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| 15:21.00 | quiet | oh wow. neat |
| 15:21.01 | quiet | okay |
| 15:21.04 | simonrvn | @rex |
| 15:21.04 | ravenbird | i heard rex is the codename for Debian 1.2, released mid-Dec 1996 |
| 15:21.07 | lehel | simonrvn: basically i'm trying but no response.. |
| 15:21.09 | abrotman | i want Stinky Pete!!! |
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| 15:21.17 | quiet | lol |
| 15:21.25 | abrotman | haha .. TS2 has a Wheezy the Pengiun |
| 15:21.29 | petemc | i dont |
| 15:21.36 | simonrvn | then there's either nothing going on that port, or you buggered it |
| 15:21.41 | quiet | wheezy would rock! |
| 15:21.59 | lehel | simonrvn: how could be possible that friday worked.. and today .. nothing (?) |
| 15:22.13 | simonrvn | ^^^^ the first part |
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| 15:22.35 | lehel | what do you mean? "^^^^" |
| 15:22.55 | lehel | there's problem with the first part? |
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| 15:23.09 | elirips | how can i check if the buttons of my touchpad are still okay (not physically damaged)? if i do for example a cat /dev/input/mice i see the movements on the touchpad, but no responses to button-clicks. any idea how to test if the buttons are okay? |
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| 15:23.28 | fatal__ | elirips: try xev |
| 15:24.05 | simonrvn | lehel: no, re-read my first part |
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| 15:24.27 | xoz | elirips: tried tpconfig |
| 15:24.35 | Whisky_ | I want to compress a folder in bzip format. How ? |
| 15:24.38 | quiet | elirips, boot with knoppix and see if they work? |
| 15:24.52 | greycat | Whisky_: /msg dpkg tar |
| 15:24.56 | Whisky_ | k |
| 15:24.59 | drac | Whisky_: tar cvjf |
| 15:25.07 | elirips | fatal__: how "accurate" is xev? it responses to movements, but not to clicks. |
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| 15:25.20 | simonrvn | AFK |
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| 15:25.54 | elirips | xoz: i tried tpconfig, it told me i have a synaptic-touchpad, firmware 8.96 |
| 15:26.07 | greycat | xev will register both mouse presses and mouse releases |
| 15:26.10 | elirips | quiet: thanks.. going to try that... let's start downloading.. |
| 15:26.14 | quiet | elirips, I'm on a notebook with synaptics too |
| 15:26.16 | greycat | just like it registers keypresses and key releases |
| 15:26.26 | quiet | did you install xfree86-driver-synaptics ?? |
| 15:26.33 | elirips | quiet: yes. |
| 15:26.46 | quiet | and you set the driver to 'synaptics' in XF86Config-4? |
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| 15:26.54 | quiet | and the dev /dev/psaux? |
| 15:27.02 | elirips | quiet: yes. |
| 15:27.10 | quiet | with IMPS/2 ? |
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| 15:27.30 | elirips | greycat: if xev does not respond to button clicks, does that mean the buttons are broken (physically)? |
| 15:27.44 | w_emfpilot | Hello all! I'm not able to see my ide dvd player via dmesg, all I C is usb stuff.. Is this somthing in the kernel I need to configure? |
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| 15:28.15 | greycat | elirips: possible. |
| 15:28.27 | elirips | greycat: ... but not 100% sure? |
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| 15:28.41 | dabaR | well the device could be unplugged. |
| 15:28.42 | greycat | elirips: the cable could be loose, etc. |
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| 15:29.30 | xoz | elirips: you may need Option "MaxTapTime" "180" or others specific to your synaptic driver. google for examples. |
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| 15:29.47 | elirips | greycat: okay, let me ask different: if xev does not respond to the buttons, it means a hardware-failure for sure? |
| 15:30.08 | greycat | I'd try a different mouse.... |
| 15:30.08 | elirips | xoz: i will. guess i try a knoppix boot first. |
| 15:30.16 | greycat | but I can't make 100% guarantees |
| 15:30.35 | elirips | greycat: with an external usb-mouse everything works fine. |
| 15:30.44 | green_earz | w_emfpilot: can you see the ide drive in the bios or on the post when the machine boots up ? |
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| 15:31.17 | w_emfpilot | green-earz: yes, I can even burn cd's np |
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| 15:33.54 | w_emfpilot | green_earz: my guess is I enabled something in the kernel... b 4 I enable usb support I was able to view all devices via dmesg now dmesg reports all usb devices and das it no mention of cdrom at all... |
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| 15:35.03 | green_earz | w_emfpilot: have a look in /proc/ide model |
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| 15:35.29 | bnoji | Anyone using e1000 for a dual gbit NIC? |
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| 15:35.57 | Nod51 | is there a script that will analise firewall blocked packets, if port matches a known virus/worm then backtrace the IP, get ISP, and e-mail support@[isp] about possible problem? |
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| 15:36.31 | bnoji | Nod51: snort |
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| 15:37.01 | lindi- | Nod51: you might consider submitting them to dshield.org |
| 15:37.02 | bnoji | You dont want to just match and send an email based on a port number |
| 15:37.03 | Nod51 | I have head of that |
| 15:37.19 | bnoji | Snort uses traffic rules to determine what type of attack... |
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| 15:37.23 | Nod51 | well repeated hits on a port. |
| 15:37.27 | dsw | if I use dpkg --get-selections > packagesfile dpkg --set-selections < packagesfile and then uninstall something with aptitude, will it take all it's libraries with it? If not, how do I do it so it does? |
| 15:37.29 | Nod51 | oh ok |
| 15:37.39 | ValheruLord | when trying to grub-install hda The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly wtf is this? |
| 15:37.50 | bnoji | I've found all kinds of info related to this problem, but nothing definate |
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| 15:38.14 | bnoji | Intel Pro1000 cards screw up when using the e1000 driver |
| 15:38.15 | Nod51 | thanks bnoji and lindi-, I will read the docs |
| 15:38.32 | petemc | dsw: i guess you would read up on where aptitude stores its information and copy that too |
| 15:38.38 | bnoji | No one seems to know exactly why... |
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| 15:39.58 | dsw | thanks, petemc |
| 15:40.02 | stew | dsw: /msg dpkg selections |
| 15:40.04 | stew | maybe |
| 15:41.10 | LSorensen | dsw: aptitude probably keeps it own list of 'auto installed' packages. I don't believe dpkg has that yet, at least not that I am aware of |
| 15:41.36 | LSorensen | dsw: since you tell dkpg to install them all, I imagine they are all treated as normally installed packages rather than auto installed. |
| 15:41.44 | w_emfpilot | green_earz: yes, i see the cdrom in /proc/ide/model ... any idea why demsg doesn't list it? |
| 15:42.03 | green_earz | sorry no |
| 15:42.04 | stew | dsw: oh i totally misread what you were saying, you might wanna look at deborphan though |
| 15:42.22 | dsw | LSorensen: yeah, that's what I was thinking, so there's probably a text file somewhere in /etc/apt that shows the auto-installed part |
| 15:42.25 | w_emfpilot | green_earz: ok thx |
| 15:42.31 | green_earz | np |
| 15:42.39 | dsw | no prob, stew, thanks for the help |
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| 15:43.14 | LSorensen | dsw: well some config/state file for aptitude |
| 15:43.42 | VirtualGod | Anyone know a good guide to setup reverse dns on my ips ? |
| 15:43.54 | LSorensen | dsw: I assume you ran apt-get dselect-upgrade after dpkg --set-selections, so that it actually did the install. |
| 15:44.20 | LSorensen | VirtualGod: bind docs should contain all you need, or any decent bind howto. of course the isp has to provide you with authority for the IPs to do that |
| 15:44.40 | VirtualGod | LSorensen they've done that |
| 15:44.56 | LSorensen | VirtualGod: then it should be easy following a bind howto |
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| 15:45.18 | dsw | LSorensen: actually, I just had run dselect install over and over until it said nothing to install |
| 15:45.31 | LSorensen | VirtualGod: you just have to make entries for the ips then. debian's bind install already does reverse for 127.0.0.1 and should be an ok example to look at too |
| 15:45.32 | petemc | delegating reverse isnt that common, ive got a /27 and my isp (BT) wont do it |
| 15:45.36 | LSorensen | dsw: I don't touch dselect |
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| 15:50.15 | splattnik | do i really need mrtg to use rrdtool? |
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| 15:50.26 | finn | hi |
| 15:50.46 | boguh_ | where can i find all the ctrl+? commands for bash? |
| 15:51.05 | R2_2k | google?/ |
| 15:51.12 | simonrvn | splattnik: no |
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| 15:51.41 | e_mpika | hallo, how can i escape | grep --etc i want to grep for --etc not pass it as an option to grep? |
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| 15:51.54 | dsw | LSorensen: I didn't know. I think in the future, I could just aptitude install, right? |
| 15:52.08 | petemc | e_mpika: "etc" or perhaps grep -- --etc |
| 15:52.15 | petemc | gah "--etc" |
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| 15:52.25 | neoxan | night everyone |
| 15:52.36 | dylan | what is the best linux media player for audio and video files? |
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| 15:52.37 | finn | night neoxan |
| 15:52.44 | dsw | dylan: mplayer |
| 15:52.50 | entheon | is there a way to get resolv.conf populated with DHCP while retaining a static IP address? |
| 15:52.59 | dylan | dsw: how can i get mplayer to play any media file type? |
| 15:53.01 | e_mpika | xine xine xine all the way dylan :P |
| 15:53.16 | finn | mplayer filename |
| 15:53.26 | dylan | is xine better than mplayer? |
| 15:53.29 | dsw | dylan: if you install the marrilat version, it comes with all the codecs |
| 15:53.30 | finn | xmms vor audio, mplayer for video |
| 15:53.31 | e_mpika | i think so |
| 15:53.33 | finn | that's the best way to go |
| 15:53.47 | Matteus | so the driver in X4.3 is radeon for radeon 7000? |
| 15:53.52 | e_mpika | mplayer just doesnt seem to run as well on my box |
| 15:54.10 | dsw | e_mpika: I always struggle with xine, heh. |
| 15:54.12 | finn | xbox media center? |
| 15:54.18 | e_mpika | lol |
| 15:54.25 | takatumi | entheon: if you are using dhclient, man 5 dhclient.conf, look at prepend |
| 15:54.28 | dsw | dylan: it sounds like it might just be a personal preference thing |
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| 15:54.37 | sky0 | boguh_: good question! it should be somewhere in the docs, but I can't find it either. |
| 15:54.40 | entheon | takatumi, ok i suppose i'm prolly using dhclient |
| 15:54.54 | e_mpika | indeed |
| 15:54.58 | e_mpika | id try both |
| 15:55.04 | e_mpika | see which one runs best |
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| 15:55.06 | entheon | takatumi, I'm not on debian right now :) |
| 15:55.07 | entheon | heheh |
| 15:55.14 | dylan | what is marrilat |
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| 15:55.28 | boguh_ | sky0 http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#SEC90 |
| 15:55.30 | dsw | dylan: add this to your sources.list: deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 15:55.46 | dsw | dylan: it works fine with an otherwise stable box |
| 15:55.56 | dylan | how do i add that to my sources.list? |
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| 15:56.06 | e_mpika | im acctaully going to try and start building a frrevo box tonight |
| 15:56.12 | e_mpika | freevo* |
| 15:56.13 | dabaR | dylan: do you use Debian? |
| 15:56.24 | dylan | im using ubuntu because i cant get a connection from #ubuntu |
| 15:56.26 | sabster | is a RAID 0 array constrained by the size of the smallest drive in the array? |
| 15:56.31 | dsw | dylan: it's a text file you edit with root at /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:56.53 | dabaR | dylan: do not add marillat to your sources.list then. |
| 15:57.01 | stew | sabster: yes |
| 15:57.07 | dylan | why not? |
| 15:57.08 | dsw | dabaR: really? what happens? |
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| 15:57.28 | dabaR | dsw: well, are you a newb or just making me type? |
| 15:57.29 | dylan | ok so beep and xmms suck? |
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| 15:57.32 | SuperFly | sigh :( |
| 15:57.43 | dylan | they cannot play video? |
| 15:57.48 | dabaR | dylan: check this out. bmp and xmms are both similarr, work great with music. |
| 15:57.49 | krystalino | is it possible to override the copy / paste protection of a pdf file ? |
| 15:57.55 | SuperFly | turned on a debian server this morning........after bios/scsi crap loads, it gets to LI_ (blinking cursor) |
| 15:58.03 | dsw | dabaR: I thought ubuntu was mostly the same, I thought it would be okay. |
| 15:58.04 | SuperFly | any ideas wtf happened? |
| 15:58.06 | SuperFly | or how to fix it |
| 15:58.08 | TheAsp | SuperFly: you used lilo |
| 15:58.09 | dabaR | dylan: for mplayer add multiverse and universe to your sources.list |
| 15:58.15 | stew | SuperFly: /msg dpkg li |
| 15:58.17 | petemc | krystalino: anything is possible, but not on topic here |
| 15:58.20 | dabaR | dylan: go to #ubuntu btw. |
| 15:58.21 | dylan | i got it |
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| 15:58.25 | dylan | im using synaptic |
| 15:58.29 | dabaR | diont leave if you dont get an answer in a sec. |
| 15:58.29 | dylan | thanks! |
| 15:58.34 | sky0 | boguh_: no, I meant it actually *should* be on the system; not just on the net. It seems to be all over the place in inputrc/readline docs. |
| 15:58.51 | SuperFly | heh |
| 15:58.55 | SuperFly | you guys don't like lilo? |
| 15:59.15 | dabaR | dsw: it is mostly the same, different in where it is not as good as debian;) You know like, if it was better, Debioan would do it itself. |
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| 15:59.23 | finn | grub > lilo |
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| 15:59.35 | SuperFly | do i even need a boot loader? |
| 15:59.41 | SuperFly | can't you just use the MBR on the drive? |
| 15:59.50 | stew | SuperFly: you need a boot loader |
| 15:59.52 | dsw | dabaR: aha, conflicts. [smacks forehead] |
| 16:00.05 | quiet | dabaR, mplayer in the normal debian universe/multiverse?? |
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| 16:01.02 | dabaR | quiet: never heard of debian universe:) I am new to debian, I think I only have main in sources.list. mplayer in debian is in marillat, I believe. in ubuntu, it is in multiverse I believe. |
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| 16:01.29 | quiet | yeah.. okay.. I have always used marillat... that's why i was like o_O ? |
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| 16:01.37 | quiet | lol.. thanks for clearing that one up. |
| 16:01.53 | dabaR | ya. dylan thought his OS is based on debian, I think:) |
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| 16:02.05 | quiet | what OS is he using? |
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| 16:02.06 | dabaR | sure has. |
| 16:02.12 | dabaR | quiet: well, ubuntu... |
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| 16:02.36 | quiet | um, it is based on debian.... |
| 16:02.50 | takatumi | isn't everything? |
| 16:03.06 | dabaR | well, no, I mean, forget it, not really important... |
| 16:03.07 | quiet | lol.. seemslike itmore and more these days |
| 16:03.11 | SuperFly | is the rescue disk on the mirrors? |
| 16:03.41 | stew | SuperFly: there is no rescue dies, you can use an installer disk or any livecd, /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 16:03.43 | takatumi | SuperFly: even a biz card iso should do. |
| 16:03.51 | quiet | and that new 'Enterprise Debian' think that's getting started by all the different companies... I suppose it's a good thing though.. |
| 16:04.05 | takatumi | vapourware. |
| 16:04.16 | quiet | heh.. ya think? |
| 16:04.26 | quiet | isn't that kind of where TurboLinux got it's start? |
| 16:04.34 | quiet | a similar type project |
| 16:04.57 | dsw | why is it everytime I edit sources.list I have to apt-get update before I aptitude update or it errors with: W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files |
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| 16:05.17 | quiet | dsw, duh!? to get the updates for the repo you changed? |
| 16:05.33 | webwolf_27 | can somebody point me to a good sources.list |
| 16:05.35 | dsw | quiet: why doesn't aptitude get it without apt-get? |
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| 16:05.58 | takatumi | dsw: aptitude update or hit 'u' from the UI |
| 16:06.08 | Eclipser | dsw, my aptitude update works great :) |
| 16:06.20 | quiet | dsw, dunno.. i have always used apt-get update... it's what you're supposed to do..i don't use the gui.. |
| 16:06.33 | quiet | gah.. gotta go offsite.. bbl |
| 16:06.36 | Eclipser | debian devs recommend aptitude though |
| 16:07.00 | webwolf_27 | because for some reason apt-get install kdevelop doesn't work |
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| 16:07.58 | splattnik | do i really need mrtg to use rrdtool? |
| 16:08.02 | xoz | webwolf_27: kdevelop3 |
| 16:08.13 | petemc | splattnik: you asked that already, and were told no |
| 16:08.19 | webwolf_27 | xoz, thanks |
| 16:08.24 | splattnik | sorry.. thx. |
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| 16:08.48 | xoz | webwolf_27: it is a great tool. increase productivity many times |
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| 16:08.54 | dabaR | if you have gdm installed, can you somehow kill it after boot? is it just killall gdm? |
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| 16:09.07 | webwolf_27 | xoz, and qt-designer? |
| 16:09.07 | xoz | dabaR: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 16:09.22 | mangux | dabaR sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
| 16:09.26 | dabaR | thanks. |
| 16:09.40 | webwolf_27 | xoz, sorry I'm new to debian and to apt. I'm used to redhat and yum |
| 16:09.55 | liran | just wondering, is it possible to tell a remote device's mac address? |
| 16:09.59 | mangux | debian policy says is better to use invoke-rc.d instead of /etc/init.d/script action |
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| 16:10.16 | thewonderllama | dabaR: you may want to edit /etc/X11/default-session-manager |
| 16:10.18 | xoz | webwolf_27: yep. but haven't tried it in major apps. all my progs are CLI. |
| 16:10.19 | liran | like if i ping irc.debian.org can i tell it's nic/router mac address? |
| 16:10.35 | toad_ | something is using all my CPU, according to vmstat 1, but it doesn't show up on top - how can i get a version of top that actually works? |
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| 16:10.49 | webwolf_27 | xoz, I need them for my cert course in c++ |
| 16:10.51 | dabaR | thewonderllama: for what reason? |
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| 16:10.55 | dabaR | what would I do? |
| 16:10.59 | toad_ | is it possible there are hidden processes? |
| 16:11.02 | thewonderllama | dabaR: then gdm won't start on boot |
| 16:11.03 | stew | liran: no, you'd have to be on the same layer 2 network |
| 16:11.12 | Eclipser | toad_, try `ps aux`? |
| 16:11.13 | dabaR | aha, thanks, I am fine with it for now. |
| 16:11.16 | liran | stew: thanks, just wanted to be sure. |
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| 16:11.33 | greycat | toad_: a fork bomb might not show up in top... |
| 16:11.43 | liran | stew: thats because arp works on data link layer and on, right? |
| 16:11.44 | toad_ | Eclipser: and look for things with long TIME's? |
| 16:11.59 | greycat | lots of short-lived processes that respawn would generate high load but top wouldn't be able to see 'em because they don't stick around long enough |
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| 16:12.08 | green_earz | webwolf_27: bookmark > Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html its a very handy debian doc |
| 16:12.12 | xoz | webwolf_27: GUI is waste of time if all i need are result of mathematical computations :) |
| 16:12.12 | thewonderllama | dabaR: btw, i lied, it's /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 16:12.15 | greycat | toad_: is the CPU load in "user" or "system" time? |
| 16:12.19 | toad_ | there's an su with 28 minutes TIME... |
| 16:12.21 | thewonderllama | that pisses me off btw |
| 16:12.22 | xoz | *results |
| 16:12.26 | Eclipser | shouldn't kernel handle fork bombs nowadays? |
| 16:12.30 | toad_ | greycat: both - around 70/30 |
| 16:12.38 | BR_ | anyone point me to a HOWTO on scripting the Debian Install process? |
| 16:12.40 | thewonderllama | every time gdm gets upgraded, it changes the setting of my /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 16:12.41 | toad_ | 66/34 on average |
| 16:12.44 | webwolf_27 | xoz, true but can you tell me how to get qt designer via apt? |
| 16:12.54 | greycat | toad_: with nothing else running, or is this on a freenet node box? ;-) |
| 16:13.01 | dsw | Thanks, but I was just using the command line: 1) edit sources.list, 2) aptitude update 3) error mssg 4) apt-get update 5) aptitude update -- no errors. Just weird. |
| 16:13.05 | toad_ | node is switched off |
| 16:13.10 | toad_ | i have a ton of stuff running |
| 16:13.20 | toad_ | but nothing shows up in top as using major CPU |
| 16:13.28 | takatumi | dsw: that's not normal. |
| 16:13.34 | dabaR | thewonderllama: ya, I tried, you did lie. um, unfortunately I screwed up my font by running /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 16:13.40 | greycat | system time of 30-35 *could* be a sign of a fork bomb (or lots of other stuff) |
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| 16:13.58 | dsw | takatumi: what is the proper way after editing sources.list? |
| 16:14.08 | Eclipser | apt-setup |
| 16:14.12 | xoz | webwolf_27: qt-dev-tools |
| 16:14.16 | toad_ | load average is 3ish and falling |
| 16:14.18 | xoz | webwolf_27: qt4-dev-tools |
| 16:14.21 | Eclipser | or just a text editor |
| 16:14.28 | takatumi | dsw: and update with any of the tools should suffice. |
| 16:14.34 | arnon | I am doing ./configure for a package that requires libcap header, then I do apt-get install libcap-dev, after that ./configure still spitting out error message saying 'I need libcap' |
| 16:14.49 | thewonderllama | dabaR: you ran /etc/X11/Xsession? er, that's run when X starts, shouldn't be run after it already has been or without an X session starting |
| 16:14.50 | xoz | webwolf_27: includes assistant, designer, linguist |
| 16:14.57 | Eclipser | did you install libcap binaries?-p |
| 16:15.01 | dsw | takatumi: so 1) edit sources.list, 2) aptitude update should have worked without the error? |
| 16:15.07 | takatumi | dsw: yes. |
| 16:15.08 | valdyn | !info libcap-dev |
| 16:15.11 | LSorensen | arnon: did you remove the config.log/config.status after the first run? |
| 16:15.14 | LSorensen | arnon: er config.cache |
| 16:15.16 | dpkg | libcap-dev: (development libraries and header files for libcap), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1:1.10-14 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 16:15.24 | LSorensen | arnon: configure often caches results to save time on fugure runs |
| 16:15.25 | webwolf_27 | xoz, got it over synaptic |
| 16:15.54 | LSorensen | arnon: and read config.log to see what the problem really is. some configure tests are so badly written that some entirely unrelated thing will cause a test to fail |
| 16:15.59 | toad_ | greycat: what's my best option? rebooting? i'm trying to run a simulation (which is switched off right now) which will adjust its speed of starting requests according to the cpu usage |
| 16:16.09 | dabaR | thewonderllama: agreed, it was kind of a slip up on the enter key, I didnt eevn think it would run, cause it was white(my color for text files, I think)_ |
| 16:16.18 | toad_ | since we can't reliably detect timeouts caused by cpu usage (against timeouts caused by bugs) |
| 16:16.27 | dabaR | well, gicves me a reason to log out which I have wanted for soem time now. |
| 16:16.43 | webwolf_27 | xoz, I'm starting to like debian, I just need to get used to it after so much time with redhat |
| 16:16.43 | greycat | toad_: rebooting will very likely fix the problem, but then you'll never know what caused it |
| 16:16.59 | toad_ | greycat: so how do i find out what causes the problem? |
| 16:17.01 | LSorensen | webwolf_27: you get used to it, and then you wonder how you ever lived with redhat |
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| 16:17.15 | thewonderllama | dabaR: ah, that sucks. but prolly can be fixed by either running startx or rebooting |
| 16:17.26 | dabaR | ya, Ill log out now. |
| 16:17.31 | toad_ | oh **** |
| 16:17.33 | toad_ | i know what it is |
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| 16:17.41 | xoz | webwolf_27: the development support in debian is many times better. there are many sci/prog/libs packages in debian that are not in redhat. |
| 16:17.44 | greycat | toad_: *shrug* trial and error, eliminate everything else that you know is "normal", do lots of "ps -fu username" twice in a row and see if they're the same... |
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| 16:17.50 | toad_ | it's some skr1pt k1dd13 |
| 16:18.01 | toad_ | who is trying a dictionary attack on ssh |
| 16:18.06 | greycat | ahhhhh. |
| 16:18.08 | arnon | LSorensen, I don't have config.cache |
| 16:18.09 | majik | keenan: Hi, i tried that wireless howto with the acx driver, got pretty far till i tried to compile the driver |
| 16:18.17 | sky0 | arnon: does configure seach with pkg-config? maybe libcap does not install a pkg-config file, seen something like that before. |
| 16:18.21 | xoz | webwolf_27: if you are programming a *lot*, debian has the best resources. |
| 16:18.22 | webwolf_27 | xoz, but redhat is easier to install for a noob |
| 16:18.24 | FieldySnuts | LSorensen: amen |
| 16:18.24 | toad_ | i can't prove it yet but there are an abnormally large number of sshd instances... |
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| 16:18.37 | dabaR | ya much better. |
| 16:18.41 | FieldySnuts | toad_: brute force ssh attacks, they are common and on the rise quickly lately |
| 16:18.41 | thewonderllama | toad_: now stop sshd and hack his computer ;) |
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| 16:18.46 | arnon | sky0, so what should I do ? |
| 16:18.48 | FieldySnuts | !hack thewonderllama |
| 16:19.03 | toad_ | actually, there's nothing in auth.log |
| 16:19.05 | webwolf_27 | xoz, accually my instructor want's me to use suse. but that won't run on my notebook |
| 16:19.16 | xoz | webwolf_27: yep.. and then you get bored.. or there are many cases you wanna check a library but was not packaged in redhat. |
| 16:19.21 | Phated | thewonderllama: Wank... oh, wait, you can't. |
| 16:19.33 | FieldySnuts | toad_: make sure you don't allow root logins through ssh. make sure all your usernames and passwords are good. switching to keys only is a good idea. another good idea is to not run sshd on the default port (their scans won't find you unless they know the port) |
| 16:19.37 | dabaR | Phated: you just hugged nutz. |
| 16:19.48 | sky0 | arnon: you have a config.log? search for "libcap" or "cap" or some string about cap. probably near the end. |
| 16:19.53 | majik | keenan: What kernel are you running? |
| 16:20.03 | toad_ | FieldySnuts: yeah, i know... there are a few weak passwords but they're not remote-login capable |
| 16:20.05 | webwolf_27 | xoz, like anything that has to do with mp3. I accually considered a LFS |
| 16:20.11 | Phated | dabaR: You have -no- idea how often I get that, really, it's so old it doesn't even provoke me into stabbing people any more, take a number, I'll call when it's your turn to be noticed. |
| 16:20.11 | FieldySnuts | good |
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| 16:20.29 | toad_ | i have a script to auto-block them, but i haven't got around to installing it |
| 16:20.31 | FieldySnuts | we got so very very hard hit with those scans, we changed the default port sshd was on |
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| 16:20.42 | toad_ | but i don't think that's it |
| 16:20.43 | dabaR | Phated: so you hug the guy often, I take...ok, just thought I would point it out. |
| 16:20.50 | FieldySnuts | we were getting on the order of 10,000 login attempts per day on one server |
| 16:20.52 | xoz | webwolf_27: tried suse also... their packages are also many... more than 15,000 packages which is close to debian... but since debian is community-based, the packages are better represented... from medicine to stat to math to sniffing to ids to security to publishing... that's why many distro are based on debian... debian is a superset. |
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| 16:20.53 | toad_ | there are 111 instances of sshd |
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| 16:20.58 | toad_ | but there's zip in auth.log |
| 16:21.01 | arnon | the ./configure trying to do -lpcap on something |
| 16:21.05 | R2_2k | 111 |
| 16:21.32 | sunbin | why i can't run"make menuconfig" |
| 16:21.36 | xoz | webwolf_27: why be contented with the product if you can run the *source* :) |
| 16:21.47 | webwolf_27 | xoz, I was just interested in a non-rpm based distro |
| 16:21.51 | thewonderllama | sunbin: do you have curses installed? |
| 16:21.55 | Paavo | Is there a convenient way for relinking a dynamic executable into a static one? Ie. taking all the dependencies and incorporating them into the binary? |
| 16:22.03 | sunbin | no |
| 16:22.15 | sunbin | what's the command |
| 16:22.20 | Paavo | Assuming you don't have source, that is. Just the binary. |
| 16:22.23 | thewonderllama | sunbin: make menuconfig needs libcurses or libncurses or something |
| 16:22.24 | mangux | sunbin make sure you have the libncurses5-dev package |
| 16:22.34 | toad_ | hmmm it was a bash process |
| 16:22.43 | toad_ | i don't know what it was doing, probably some stupid infinite loop... |
| 16:23.03 | toad_ | would be nice to know, i suppose i'll catch it next time... |
| 16:23.05 | toad_ | maybe... |
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| 16:23.08 | arnon | how do I find out the location of libcap header after doing apt-get install libcap-dev ? |
| 16:23.09 | Phated | Wow, I made him quit. Go me. |
| 16:23.14 | webwolf_27 | xoz, debian looked better to start with then slackware or LFS |
| 16:23.22 | sunbin | how can i get it |
| 16:23.32 | xoz | webwolf_27: well, you should try CLI commands like apt-get, dpkg, apt-cache, etc... instead of synaptic and you'll be amazed about their power and flexibility. |
| 16:23.34 | thewonderllama | sunbin: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 16:24.04 | x04-rpa | n |
| 16:24.07 | toad_ | xoz: what's he trying to do which can't be done in synaptic? |
| 16:24.08 | sky0 | arnon: the "-lpcap" should work, if the library is there; check yourself with "ld -lpcap" and look if /usr/include/pcap.h is there. |
| 16:24.08 | sunbin | oh ,thanks |
| 16:24.11 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.21 | thewonderllama | arnon: dpkg -S libcap-dev |
| 16:24.41 | valdyn | sky0: libcap != libpcap ? |
| 16:24.41 | thewonderllama | arnon: ignore me :) |
| 16:24.50 | FieldySnuts | !win Phated |
| 16:24.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, Phated! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:24.52 | webwolf_27 | xoz, with time, first I need my software to I can finish my homework |
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| 16:25.10 | arnon | ld -lpcap ld: cannot find -lpcap |
| 16:25.21 | xoz | toad_: man dpkg, apt-cache, apt-get... do you think all those options are available in synaptic? |
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| 16:25.23 | ValheruLord | hi all.. i have a system with debian and other partitions.. but my grub is gone :((( is there the possibility to rescue and install grub with debian net install cd??? |
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| 16:25.31 | valdyn | arnon: either you're using and looking for libcap or libpcap, they're not identical |
| 16:25.38 | toad_ | xoz: true |
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| 16:25.45 | Phated | Second, eh. I suppose that will have to do. |
| 16:25.49 | sky0 | valdyn: ups, yes; but the principle is the same. |
| 16:26.10 | SuperFly | k |
| 16:26.33 | enriched | where is the best place to find out about packages when they are not available in unstable ...like libgmp3 right now |
| 16:26.37 | sunbin | i run it,but can't get it |
| 16:26.45 | SuperFly | when i type lilo, after mounting my drive, i get: /bin/sh: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version 'GLIBC_PRIVATE' not found (required by /tar/get/lib/libc.so.6) |
| 16:27.00 | ValheruLord | anyone that can answer me ?? |
| 16:27.05 | webwolf_27 | ok time for me to go, thanks for the help |
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| 16:27.19 | majik | Does anyone have a good howto for updating kernel 2.4 to latest 2.6? |
| 16:27.20 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite ValheruLord |
| 16:27.21 | ravenbird | ValheruLord: why dont ya go spending all your doc on a town bike bloody hell mate |
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| 16:27.46 | sky0 | arnon: sorry, I read pcap; if you are searching for "libcap" just remove the "p" from the cmds I gave. |
| 16:28.15 | FieldySnuts | heh. town bike is a prostitute. get it, town bike, everybody rides her... |
| 16:28.32 | Phated | You didn't need to explain that, y'know. |
| 16:28.37 | macca | can someone help me with compiling a custom module for a stock 2.6.8 debian kernel? which sources etc should i download to compile the module correctly?? |
| 16:28.39 | FieldySnuts | yes i did :) |
| 16:28.50 | arnon | valdyn, yes I was wrong, it should have been libpcap-dev .... |
| 16:28.55 | SuperFly | any ideas on how to get my debian box backup? |
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| 16:28.59 | lindi- | macca: what modules is it? |
| 16:29.03 | sunbin | apt-get install debhelper modutils kernel-package libncurses5-dev |
| 16:29.06 | mangux | macca sources from kernel.org |
| 16:29.14 | arnon | sky0, my bad, I got wrong package |
| 16:29.17 | macca | lindi-: it's a modules for the atmel usb wlan stick |
| 16:29.17 | valdyn | macca: apt-get install kerne-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:29.21 | valdyn | macca: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:29.36 | macca | valdyn: kk let me try that one out |
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| 16:30.00 | Phated | sunbin: Typing your shell commands in your IRC window doesn't help you any. |
| 16:30.08 | macca | valdyn: shouldn't i download the sources as well? |
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| 16:30.18 | lildude | how do do get 2.6 kernal update |
| 16:30.26 | valdyn | macca: no. |
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| 16:30.30 | lildude | i dont ahve that i ahve woody want sarge |
| 16:30.35 | macca | valdyn: kk i'll try BRB |
| 16:30.46 | sunbin | :) |
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| 16:31.01 | sunbin | I make a mistake |
| 16:31.28 | Phated | Evidently. |
| 16:32.18 | ValheruLord | FieldySnuts, give a doc link?? |
| 16:32.21 | ValheruLord | for grub |
| 16:32.25 | majik | Do i need any pre install before going to 2.6.12 from 2.4.27? |
| 16:32.28 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
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| 16:32.32 | ValheruLord | FieldySnuts, is there the possibility... or NOT ?? |
| 16:32.41 | FieldySnuts | !fgi ValheruLord grub |
| 16:32.41 | dpkg | ValheruLord: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=grub |
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| 16:33.40 | majik | can anyone see my text? because im getting no replys |
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| 16:33.48 | rob_lt | majik: I can't |
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| 16:33.56 | majik | phew, at least it is working |
| 16:34.05 | majik | Do i need any pre install before going to 2.6.12 from 2.4.27? can anyone tell me please? |
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| 16:34.26 | ColonelKernel | is there a working 'testing" net install cd yet? |
| 16:34.34 | rob_lt | majik: what do you mean, pre install? |
| 16:34.34 | SuperFly | gay |
| 16:34.36 | SuperFly | fixed now |
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| 16:34.42 | simonrvn | @qm_modules |
| 16:34.42 | SuperFly | why did i have to do that?? will i have this problem in the future? |
| 16:34.49 | simonrvn | @qm modules |
| 16:34.53 | majik | can i jump straight to the latest kernel from where i am? |
| 16:34.55 | simonrvn | fuck it |
| 16:35.09 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: tell SuperFly about gay |
| 16:35.16 | rob_lt | majik: sure, you can install a 2.6 kernel whenever you want |
| 16:35.16 | greycat | majik: yes |
| 16:35.24 | SuperFly | hah |
| 16:35.25 | SuperFly | thanx |
| 16:35.32 | greycat | as long as "where I am" is sarge or later. |
| 16:35.36 | majik | just worried im gonna kill it |
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| 16:35.52 | rob_lt | majik: your 2.4 kernel will still be there too |
| 16:36.03 | Phated | Always. |
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| 16:36.07 | Phated | Ol' Faithful. |
| 16:36.20 | majik | rob_lt: Whats the latest? 2.6.12.1 ? |
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| 16:36.46 | greycat | majik: apt-cache search kernel image 2.6 |
| 16:36.49 | sunbin | apt-get update can't work,why |
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| 16:37.18 | drac | majik: www.kernel.org |
| 16:37.24 | mangux | majik kernel.org :) |
| 16:37.25 | J_P | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.44 | majik | all this for wireless. |
| 16:37.44 | mangux | and goto kernelnewbies.org if your need docs about kernel related subjects |
| 16:37.55 | green_earz | ValheruLord: sarge dose not have a rescue mode on the installer, but i think that the testing net installer as a rescue option. my be worth a look at. > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 16:37.57 | rob_lt | majik: in sarge, the latest compiled kernel is 2.6.8. |
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| 16:38.32 | rob_lt | majik: if you really need it, you can get a 2.6.11 kernel from packages.debian.org in the testing repo, but I would try 2.6.8 from sarge first (if that is what you are running) |
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| 16:39.29 | ColonelKernel | green_earz, the last time I tried that, last week, it didnt work |
| 16:39.33 | majik | rob_lt: I just installed sarge |
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| 16:39.54 | majik | rob_lt: But im trying to compile wireless drivers, and its not working, so im going to try the latest kernel |
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| 16:40.10 | green_earz | ColonelKernel: thanks. its one the look out for |
| 16:40.13 | phimic | hi all |
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| 16:40.36 | phimic | i cannot activate gome system sounds |
| 16:40.47 | phimic | my soundcard works |
| 16:41.03 | rob_lt | majik: FYI, if you use "linux26" as a boot option at the first prompt when using the netinstall, it will use a 2.6 kernel by default. |
| 16:41.36 | majik | i used the dvd install |
| 16:41.53 | ValheruLord | /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly why can this be when grub-install /dev/hda |
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| 16:41.55 | majik | i have already installed it so i guess i have to now update it |
| 16:42.16 | green_earz | majik: same as linux26 at boot for the 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:42.54 | EL_MOMIA | MAY |
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| 16:43.16 | xoz | ValheruLord: try running grub and at shell prompt: setup(hd0) |
| 16:43.32 | ukh | dc5video.debian.net appears slashdotted. any torrents around? |
| 16:43.35 | drac | I wonder if 2.6.12-1-k7 in Unstable is 2.6.12, .1, .2, or .3 :o |
| 16:43.44 | greycat | drac: read the changelog |
| 16:43.45 | xoz | ValheruLord: instead of grub-install |
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| 16:44.08 | greycat | for i in *_*; do echo mv "$i" "${i//_/_COW}"; done |
| 16:44.11 | greycat | oops, ECHAN |
| 16:44.31 | Justin | greycat: MOO |
| 16:44.31 | xoz | ValheruLord: unless you are running it inside chroot |
| 16:44.57 | drac | aye, seems to be 2.6.12.3 |
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| 16:46.18 | bnoji | e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex <- I keep getting this... |
| 16:46.27 | epictetus | heya, an apt-get dist-upgrade overwrote some files I'd customized (stuff in /usr/share that a particular package had), where would it have logged that/backed it up? |
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| 16:46.35 | Justin | bnoji: cable loose? |
| 16:46.42 | epictetus | it was the nagios package, i'd customized a bunch of the webpages in /usr/share/nagios/htdocs |
| 16:46.44 | limbeaux | does anyone know of good software to run a consulting shop with. I would like to schedule, open, close tech calls and be able to put billing info in it as well such as hour. |
| 16:46.53 | bnoji | Justin: Not that I can tell...apparently its common with e1000 |
| 16:46.56 | epictetus | or would apt have just overwritten them without backing them up? |
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| 16:47.02 | bnoji | But I can't find any info on how to fix it |
| 16:47.29 | bnoji | Dell blames it on a driver bug, intel says it has to do with PCI-x |
| 16:47.34 | greycat | epictetus: they're overwritten. |
| 16:47.44 | epictetus | greycat: hehe. nice. |
| 16:47.46 | greycat | or more likely, removed and then created. |
| 16:47.52 | xoz | epictetus: read /var/lib/dpkg/info/nagios.* scripts |
| 16:47.52 | Justin | bnoji: I have a dell with 2 of those in it, it works fine |
| 16:48.00 | bnoji | Justin: PowerEdge 750? |
| 16:48.04 | Justin | bnoji: yep |
| 16:48.06 | bnoji | hmm. |
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| 16:48.14 | bnoji | Thats the model I saw problems with... |
| 16:48.18 | Justin | bnoji: though mine are running at 1000 and plugged directly into cisco routers.. :-) |
| 16:48.20 | bnoji | and the 650 |
| 16:48.40 | bnoji | Do you know what model? |
| 16:48.45 | Justin | bnoji: what model what? |
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| 16:48.57 | bnoji | There are apparently 5 or 6 intel controllers used in the PE750's |
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| 16:49.10 | Justin | Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82547GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 16:49.11 | bnoji | the eth0 controller is different than the eth1 |
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| 16:49.21 | Justin | yeah, the other one says Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82541GI/PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 16:49.32 | Justin | 8086:1075 and 8086:1076 |
| 16:49.37 | bnoji | And some have newer ones... |
| 16:50.05 | bnoji | 0000:01:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82547GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 16:50.07 | bnoji | 0000:03:02.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82541GI/PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 16:50.30 | factor | for apache on install how do I get apt-get to create the /etc/apache.conf files |
| 16:50.41 | bnoji | factor: try dpk-reconfigure |
| 16:50.44 | factor | k |
| 16:50.45 | bnoji | er, dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 16:50.58 | Justin | factor: there is no /etc/apache.conf |
| 16:51.05 | bnoji | Usually, it gives you a default httppd.conf and you edit from there |
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| 16:51.17 | bnoji | er, httpd.conf |
| 16:51.19 | bnoji | my fingers are cold |
| 16:51.21 | pureone | ./etc/apache/httpd.conf :P |
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| 16:51.33 | Justin | pureone: or /etc/apache-perl etc |
| 16:51.53 | pureone | yeah |
| 16:52.46 | factor | bnoji thanks worked. |
| 16:53.01 | bnoji | Justin: The odd thing is, the eth1 controller doesnt have that problem |
| 16:53.04 | bnoji | factor: np |
| 16:53.46 | Justin | bnoji: does the device you are plugging it into log interface status change messages at the same time as the dell? |
| 16:53.52 | bnoji | And from what I've read (and what i can tell so far)...plugging a regular PCI33 card into the PCIX slot fixes the problem for eth0 |
| 16:54.15 | bnoji | Justin: no, its just an unmanaged switch |
| 16:54.24 | Justin | mine also has a 3com card in one of the slots |
| 16:54.28 | ColonelKernel | ok after a netinstall of sarge, what do I need to install to get a working install of gnome? gnome-desktop-environment and what else? |
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| 16:54.41 | Whisky_ | something's badly using my CPU and I dont know what..... |
| 16:54.51 | bnoji | Yeah, I have 2 PE750's here...One using both gbit and one pci33 10/100 |
| 16:54.52 | asg | Whisky_: use top |
| 16:54.56 | bnoji | and one using just one gbit |
| 16:55.14 | Whisky_ | asg, top? |
| 16:55.22 | bnoji | The one with the pci33 works fine, but the one using only one gbit needs it plugged into eth1 |
| 16:55.37 | bnoji | or it gets that watchdog error. |
| 16:55.39 | simonrvn | type top as a terminal |
| 16:55.39 | asg | Whisky_: type 'top' start looking (man top for the plethora of other options) |
| 16:55.42 | simonrvn | s/as/at/ |
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| 16:56.01 | green_earz | ColonelKernel: apt-get install x-window-system-core for xserver |
| 16:56.36 | ColonelKernel | green_earz, thank you - so gnome-desktop-environment and x-window-system-core |
| 16:56.39 | ColonelKernel | brb! |
| 16:56.56 | boycer | having trouble getting a wireless lan connection going. I've got a cardbus wireless adapter in my laptop, which assoc's with my AP, but can't ping it. I think it might be routes... |
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| 16:57.48 | Justin | boycer: why do you think that? |
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| 16:58.15 | Whisky_ | asg, Thanks :) It was wine, heh |
| 16:58.24 | boycer | Justin: cos 'route' pauses for about 10 seconds half way through its output |
| 16:58.37 | simonrvn | use -n |
| 16:58.40 | boycer | Justin: like it's timing out on something |
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| 16:59.07 | Justin | boycer: that is because it is trying to resolve the addreses. use route -n |
| 16:59.09 | boycer | simonrvn: nice n quick. Thanks. still can't ping the damn ap though |
| 16:59.21 | Justin | boycer: why can't you ping it? |
| 16:59.24 | bnoji | route add default gw <gateway ip> |
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| 16:59.36 | Justin | you don't need a route to ping a device on teh same subnet as you... |
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| 16:59.54 | boycer | It's already the default route... |
| 16:59.58 | dsw | for a good but minimul size backup, what else should I tar other than /home, /etc, and /var? |
| 17:00.06 | boycer | hmmm... |
| 17:00.13 | bnoji | what card? |
| 17:00.28 | boycer | bnoji: dlink dwl-650+ |
| 17:00.29 | dsw | s/minimul/minimal |
| 17:00.48 | boycer | I'm using the acx100 driver |
| 17:01.10 | boucman | hello all... is there something wrong with debian mirrors right now ? |
| 17:01.32 | Ronin | nope, just updating a laptop quite nicely right now boucman |
| 17:01.33 | levander | Anybody getting faster than ~4x audio ripping in grip with full paranoia, or is that actually pretty good? |
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| 17:02.08 | boycer | ifconfig reports all fine... the AP reports it connected... ping the ap gets destination host unreach. arg... |
| 17:02.46 | Justin | boycer: what does iwconfig say |
| 17:02.48 | bnoji | boycer: using wlan-ng? |
| 17:02.48 | boucman | well, update/upgrade hasn't brought anything new for a couple of day (using unstable) so I was kind of worried... |
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| 17:03.09 | FieldySnuts | wtf does "act as a linux SME" mean in a job description |
| 17:03.11 | boycer | Justin: shows I'm connected fine - wep and everything. |
| 17:03.24 | levander | Just having trouble figuring out what speed grip is supposed to be ripping these CD's at. Is possible that 4x isn't really bad, but I know it's much lower than the hardware limitations of the drive. |
| 17:03.27 | boycer | bnoji: nope, wireless-tools |
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| 17:03.45 | Justin | boycer: no invalid crypt ? |
| 17:03.45 | bnoji | i only have experience with wlan-ng |
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| 17:04.34 | boycer | Justin: nope. Link quality 82/100 too. |
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| 17:04.43 | boycer | bnoji: thanks anyway :) |
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| 17:04.51 | Justin | boycer: did you get an ip from dhcp or did you hard code one? |
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| 17:05.11 | boycer | Justin: tried both, it's hardcoded right now |
| 17:05.22 | Whisky_ | Is it possible for a Linux PC and a WinXP PC to share DSL internet? |
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| 17:05.49 | Justin | boycer: if dhcp doesn't work hardcoding it is not either |
| 17:06.00 | boycer | Justin: tcpdump on my router shows packets like this when I try pnging: |
| 17:06.01 | boycer | 18:04:48.973363 00:11:95:7e:4e:cc (oui Unknown) sap 18 > Broadcast sap bd I (s=27,r=83,P) |
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| 17:06.16 | boycer | Justin: true, but DHCP times out... |
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| 17:06.42 | Justin | boycer: yes, and if dhcp does not work, then no ammount of hardcoding is going to help you |
| 17:07.28 | abrotman | Whisky_: using a router ? |
| 17:07.30 | boycer | Justin: true. So the question is, why isn't dhcp working? My router sees no DHCP packets, after the laptop connects to the AP |
| 17:07.46 | Whisky_ | abauer, Yes. |
| 17:07.53 | Whisky_ | abrotman, Yes* |
| 17:08.01 | abrotman | Whisky_: why wouldn't it be ? |
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| 17:08.06 | netzize | hi, i've problems configuring my boot-raid device. it always degenerates on boot. i'm using grub as boot-manager. maybe sb. can help? |
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| 17:08.34 | Whisky_ | abrotman, Did'nt know :D Easy to setup through KDE or something or a big mess? |
| 17:08.43 | boycer | I'll try turning wep off. back to the drawing board... |
| 17:08.51 | Justin | boycer: usually that means the wep key is wrong |
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| 17:09.06 | abrotman | Whisky_: you sohuld get dhcp from somewhere .. shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:09.10 | boycer | Justin: just trying it without one... |
| 17:09.26 | Whisky_ | abrotman, dhcp ? |
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| 17:10.08 | abrotman | Whisky_: you know .. DHCP |
| 17:10.20 | boycer | Justin: you're a bloody genius mate! |
| 17:10.21 | xoz | Whisky_: guidedog can help you share connection |
| 17:10.28 | boycer | Justin: that did it! |
| 17:10.34 | Justin | heh |
| 17:10.40 | boycer | Justin: so I'm just a spanner then... :) |
| 17:10.42 | Whisky_ | dpkg rumour has it, dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 17:10.43 | dpkg | Whisky_: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:10.51 | bnoji | Justin: There is definately an issue with the eth0 gbit port on the PE750 |
| 17:10.59 | abrotman | !dhcp |
| 17:10.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 17:11.02 | green_earz | netzize: have a look "Installing Debian Sarge with software RAID" it should be of help > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
| 17:11.05 | Whisky_ | xoz, guidedog? |
| 17:11.10 | boycer | Justin: I can even ping www.google.com. Woohoo! Thanks lots. |
| 17:11.13 | bnoji | I just moved the cable from eth0 to eth1 and all watchdog messages have cleared up |
| 17:11.13 | xoz | !guidedog |
| 17:11.15 | Justin | bnoji: mine seem to work.. granted I only use them for RX |
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| 17:11.24 | xoz | !info guidedog |
| 17:11.27 | simonrvn | http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/ThinGuy?entry=the_war_on_terror_as |
| 17:11.27 | dpkg | guidedog: (NAT/masquerading/port-forwarding configuration tool for KDE), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 123 kB, Installed size: 440 kB |
| 17:11.32 | bnoji | Justin: You said you have a 3com card in there too? |
| 17:11.43 | xoz | Whisky_: ^^ |
| 17:12.03 | Justin | bnoji: yep |
| 17:12.07 | bnoji | I have a USR GBIT card in the pci slot of one system, and that one stopp having problems after i added that card in |
| 17:12.09 | xoz | Whisky_: and you may need guarddog also :) |
| 17:12.27 | Whisky_ | :p |
| 17:12.40 | ongeboren | is the gaim packaged really broken? it depends on libaspellxxx but if I try to install it, half of my system needs to be uninstalled.. |
| 17:12.57 | netzize | thx green_earz |
| 17:13.00 | asg | ongeboren: /topic |
| 17:13.02 | asg | ongeboren: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:13.03 | green_earz | np |
| 17:13.13 | ongeboren | k |
| 17:13.27 | Whisky_ | xoz, guarddog......i'm linking my dad's WinXP pc and my Debian one....will it work ? |
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| 17:13.47 | xoz | ongeboren: gaim and its libs are out of sync. |
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| 17:15.08 | boucman | xoz do you know why ? |
| 17:15.24 | xoz | Whisky_: guidedog will make your debian machine as a router and NAT/masquerade... assuming it has direct connection to internet. make your debian machine the default gateway of winxp and other machines... then, any packet not intended locally will be routed by debian to the internet.. transparently |
| 17:15.28 | ongeboren | "newraff & newsamosa down and being moved" should those 2 names I hear for the first time affect me in some way ? |
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| 17:15.33 | Freaker | Lo all |
| 17:15.44 | simonrvn | ongeboren: yes |
| 17:15.46 | asg | ongeboren: the reason unstable hasn't had updates in a few days. |
| 17:15.47 | bnoji | Whisky_: You can look into ipcop as well. |
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| 17:15.54 | xoz | boucman: about gaim? |
| 17:15.59 | bnoji | It's easy to install, and comes with a nice web gui |
| 17:16.02 | boucman | xoz: yes |
| 17:16.17 | ongeboren | i see.. thanks |
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| 17:16.28 | Freaker | i have a problem i just upgraded my debian packages, and php is upgraded, but after the upgrade php is bugging me with: pg_connect(): Cannot create new link. Too many open links (0), but from console i can connect to the database server, and phpinf(); says that everything is fine anybody had this problem ? |
| 17:16.36 | Whisky_ | W: Unable to locate package ipcop |
| 17:16.58 | splattnik | does anyone have tryed this: http://www.fumanchu.com/ipac-ng-rrd/ ? |
| 17:17.11 | Draconicus | I need to remove gnome-cups-icon from the gnome 'session startup list' but I don't think it's in the basic session list. If you don't know where such a list is (#gnome would likely not be helpful), should I uninstall cups for now? It runs, but I have no printer. It's annoying. |
| 17:17.14 | bnoji | Whisky_: Its not a package |
| 17:17.14 | jochensp | Hi, what is the command to powroff the System after shutdown with ACPI? |
| 17:17.20 | bnoji | It's an ISO install |
| 17:17.38 | Draconicus | If you're wondering, I was once trying to get a Lexmark to work with CUPS and a driver I found. I think you all know how that turned out. |
| 17:17.39 | Whisky_ | ermm. What's its use ? |
| 17:17.44 | abrotman | Draconicus: there does exist #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:17.44 | simonrvn | Draconicus: so remove it. open up sessions from the prefs menu, and stop it |
| 17:17.48 | bnoji | You just find an old box, add enough NICs to support your connected networks and install from CD |
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| 17:18.01 | bnoji | Then manage it through the web interface |
| 17:18.09 | bnoji | www.ipcop.org |
| 17:18.12 | simonrvn | ipcop isn't in debian |
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| 17:18.20 | bnoji | simonrvn: Does it matter? |
| 17:18.34 | simonrvn | " Whisky_ : W: Unable to locate package ipcop" |
| 17:18.45 | Draconicus | simonrvn: That's the problem. It's not in the user session startup, as far as I can see, and I can't run gnome-session-preferences as root while GNOME is as user, for reasons unknown. |
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| 17:18.48 | xoz | boucman: the new lib will replace the old lib... which is unfortunately many packages still depend... the problem is that gaim was replaced by newer gaim without making sure first that the lib it depends on have no conflict with existing packages... eventually, other packages will be upgraded to the new libs... until such time, you will have either to get the gaim from testing or etch or wait or remove those many packages which is not good unl |
| 17:18.49 | Whisky_ | k |
| 17:18.52 | ma3x | hello i have a question |
| 17:19.05 | Whisky_ | yup... |
| 17:19.07 | ma3x | when i parititoned my 250 GB drive, i created the max ext2 partition |
| 17:19.08 | boucman | ok |
| 17:19.15 | ma3x | and df -h shows only 231 GB size |
| 17:19.18 | bnoji | Whisky_: Basically, its a mini-distro that you install and it turns that hardware into a firewall |
| 17:19.19 | ma3x | why is it shortened? |
| 17:19.28 | tcd | i just installed sarge and "upgraded" to unstable and im having some unmet dependancies problems and was wondering if there was a way around this? |
| 17:19.33 | ma3x | shouldn't it be the whole 250G ? |
| 17:19.35 | asg | ma3x: filesystems reserve by default 5% for root's usage. |
| 17:19.36 | bnoji | ma3x: hidden partitions? |
| 17:19.37 | Whisky_ | guarddog and guidedog installed. |
| 17:19.45 | tcd | besides waiting for the developers to fix the dependancies :) |
| 17:19.48 | Whisky_ | bnoji, I dont have computers to spare :) |
| 17:19.48 | Draconicus | Xorg, to me, seems to be buggier than plain XFree86. Is this unlikely? Could I be missing some libs that may improve its performance substancially? |
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| 17:19.50 | ma3x | no hidden partitions |
| 17:20.01 | ma3x | asg: but i already have my system running on the first ext3 partition |
| 17:20.02 | Justin | dpkg: 250*1000*1000/1024/1024 |
| 17:20.02 | dpkg | 238.418579101562 |
| 17:20.02 | greycat | Draconicus: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:20.05 | Justin | ma3x: ^^^^^ |
| 17:20.13 | ma3x | so why would root need another space? |
| 17:20.18 | xoz | boucman: the developers should update their packages with the new libs. gaim was fast but unfortunately, other packages are slow :) |
| 17:20.28 | boucman | :) |
| 17:20.48 | boucman | but I didn't have anything update for a couple of days... |
| 17:20.49 | bnoji | Whisky_: You are trying to run your MASQ stuff from the debian desktop you are working from? |
| 17:21.23 | bnoji | You should only need a few iptables rules and another nic |
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| 17:21.39 | simonrvn | Draconicus: that seems fucked. NFC, sorry. |
| 17:21.58 | Whisky_ | bnoji, Here's what. My dad has a WinXP PC and I have a Debian PC. What we want to do is just link both the systems through a router to share DSL internet. |
| 17:21.59 | pablum | ma3x: you can reduce that percentage reserved to something considerably less than 12.5 G... |
| 17:22.06 | kjs3 | ma3x: The 5% is reserved for root, the thinking being that that way a normal user won't be able to totally fill up a partition. |
| 17:22.11 | asg | ma3x: man tune2fs if you want to change it. |
| 17:22.16 | netzize | green_earz: Did not help me 'cause i've a installed system... |
| 17:22.17 | bnoji | Whisky_: What router do you plan to use? |
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| 17:22.23 | xoz | Whisky_: try the command guidedog and enable NAT/Masquerade... then make this machine as the default gateway in winXP |
| 17:22.29 | Draconicus | Everything's been acting weird lately... I feel like I'm running Windows or something. It's bizarre, to say the least. |
| 17:22.46 | Whisky_ | bnoji, The provider will be giving it to us...will find out tomorrow ;[ |
| 17:22.48 | ma3x | asg i've already tuned to ext3 |
| 17:22.50 | netzize | Does anybody know the correct boot-configuration for raid systems (or maybe some link to a tutorial) ? |
| 17:22.57 | Whisky_ | xoz, k... |
| 17:22.57 | bnoji | Whisky_: And just one IP? |
| 17:22.58 | ma3x | can i free up that reserved space? |
| 17:23.04 | greycat | ma3x: man tune2fs |
| 17:23.05 | Whisky_ | bnoji, I suppse... |
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| 17:23.37 | asg | ma3x: man tune2fs (search for reserved) |
| 17:23.50 | ma3x | -m reserved-blocks-percentage |
| 17:23.53 | ma3x | is that it? |
| 17:24.00 | asg | ma3x: what does the manpage say |
| 17:24.11 | ma3x | Set the percentage of reserved filesystem blocks. |
| 17:24.29 | bnoji | Any warning for setting it to 0 ? |
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| 17:24.35 | Whisky_ | I just dont want my dad yelling at me to get rid of Debian because we are not being able to link :p |
| 17:24.36 | green_earz | netzize: your raid howto is in /usr/share/doc/mdadm |
| 17:24.44 | pablum | bnoji: don't do it! (how's that?) |
| 17:24.47 | bnoji | Whisky_: I would say, wait then... |
| 17:24.57 | ma3x | but again why is the partition 231 GB? |
| 17:24.59 | Whisky_ | k |
| 17:25.05 | asg | ma3x: see what justin said above |
| 17:25.09 | ma3x | shouldn't it be about 250 and in that space %5 reserved for root? |
| 17:25.10 | bnoji | Get up an running with the XP box (probably using DHCP with your ISP) |
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| 17:25.21 | ma3x | or 231 and then the reserved space is outside the partition? |
| 17:25.27 | greycat | ma3x: you can lower it to 2 or 3% |
| 17:25.31 | bnoji | if thats the case, once your debian box is setup for nat, you should just need to swap cables with minimal downtime |
| 17:25.54 | Morden | any bind specialist in here? |
| 17:25.59 | Whisky_ | What should be the best idea....the debian system as the hub or the winxp one ? |
| 17:26.00 | bnoji | Morden: What part? |
| 17:26.00 | asg | Morden: try #dns |
| 17:26.04 | pablum | ma3x: you just need enough free space to allow root to get in (and create temp files) to clean things up when you fill up the hd space. |
| 17:26.05 | Morden | thx :) |
| 17:26.15 | bnoji | I've been looking into ldap2dns lately |
| 17:26.17 | xoz | boucman: the irony is that lib is about spelling-checker. very trivial but widely-used library |
| 17:26.23 | asg | Morden: or #s&m (if you aren't talking about dns) |
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| 17:26.43 | Jacky^ | hi |
| 17:26.55 | ma3x | you didn't answer my question: is the %5 within the partition contained, or out of it (separately) ? |
| 17:27.14 | pablum | ma3x: within |
| 17:27.17 | Morden | I meant dns ^^ |
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| 17:27.33 | Jacky^ | anyone know if is possible to connect a windows machine to a Debian router using a modem ? |
| 17:27.37 | ma3x | pablum so then why is the damn partition 231 GB? |
| 17:27.41 | ma3x | it's supposed to be 250 |
| 17:27.42 | pablum | ma3x: read df, it'll tell you the story in simple arithmetic. |
| 17:27.50 | Schiz0 | I need to run more then one eggdrop bot, now there is a deb package for it, but with that would I be able to run more then one? I've done it all from source in the past. |
| 17:27.51 | asg | ma3x: see what just said above (/lastlog justin) |
| 17:28.07 | Draconicus | I think leaving VLC sleeping all day might have messed with X when xscreensaver came on. It was working fine earlier. When I tried to take a screenshot of VLC with gnome-screenshot, gnome-screenshot's window would grey out (not normal at all) and simply stop responding. VLC's snapshot feature also fails to function. |
| 17:28.22 | ma3x | <Justin> dpkg: 250*1000*1000/1024/1024 <Justin> ma3x: ^^^^^ |
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| 17:28.27 | ma3x | what did he say so special? |
| 17:28.29 | Draconicus | I'm going to try restarting X. That should fix it for now, but this has to stop happening. |
| 17:29.04 | xoz | Jacky^: explain more your setup |
| 17:29.37 | ma3x | asg: are you halucinating? Justin said nothing special |
| 17:30.00 | Justin | 13:20 < Justin> dpkg: 250*1000*1000/1024/1024 |
| 17:30.00 | Justin | 13:20 < dpkg> 238.418579101562 |
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| 17:30.14 | asg | guess I'm not halucinating |
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| 17:30.18 | Skaja | where can i get linux drivers |
| 17:30.22 | xoz | Draconicus: possible that the buffer was corrupted. are you using X through buffer or directly? |
| 17:30.26 | abrotman | Skaja: for what ? |
| 17:30.29 | Draconicus | It certainly reminds me of my Windows days.. Random errors with unknown causes, etc. Terminal output is kind of cryptic.. |
| 17:30.30 | Draconicus | Um.. |
| 17:30.31 | Skaja | modems |
| 17:30.38 | Draconicus | I think directly, xoz. |
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| 17:30.41 | Draconicus | How can I be sure? |
| 17:30.43 | abrotman | Skaja: a winmodem ? |
| 17:30.49 | greycat | real modems don't need drivers. |
| 17:30.59 | xoz | Draconicus: dpkg-reconfigure.... usually the default will be shown |
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| 17:31.11 | ma3x | if it shows 238G, that would be fine |
| 17:31.13 | Jacky^ | xoz: i would like to connect 2 machine just using two modem and about 400 mt of cable, the first using windows the second Debian that is connected to internet, is it possible ? |
| 17:31.16 | abrotman | greycat: yes .. but he may not realize that :) |
| 17:31.17 | ma3x | but my partition is 231G |
| 17:31.18 | ma3x | why ? |
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| 17:31.22 | lindi- | Jacky^: sure |
| 17:31.24 | Skaja | i dont know my modem supports linux but it does linux |
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| 17:31.26 | netzize | green_earz: ok. i will that what is suggested in that doc and reboot my machine, but i think that i will not work 'cause i tried sth. similar already. maybe i just missed sth. will say 'hello', when i'm online again. |
| 17:31.34 | abrotman | Skaja: is it ISA or PCI or something else ? |
| 17:31.35 | fhffhqvb | !confuse Skaja |
| 17:31.35 | dpkg | Yes, those are their mushroom today, Skaja? pants of the republic of belarus with extra ham |
| 17:31.36 | ma3x | i guess i created it with fdisk or qtparted (choosing max space) |
| 17:31.40 | asg | ma3x: what does df -H say |
| 17:31.42 | Skaja | its pci |
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| 17:31.50 | abrotman | Skaja: so .. lspci .. get the type of modem |
| 17:31.53 | ma3x | 248G |
| 17:31.57 | kuja | When using apt to install packages, how can you disclude certain dependencies? |
| 17:32.07 | yanopapi | question.. what is the X server package called? |
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| 17:32.16 | Draconicus | xoz: Alright. I'll give that a shot. |
| 17:32.17 | Jacky^ | lindi-: any idea where to find some howto ? |
| 17:32.18 | abrotman | yanopapi: in which debian ? |
| 17:32.21 | yanopapi | 3.1 |
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| 17:32.29 | Skaja | i do that in the comand line |
| 17:32.35 | abrotman | xserver-xfree86 .. if you want all of X .. apt-get install x-window-system |
| 17:32.39 | ma3x | asg: 248G |
| 17:32.40 | Skaja | using debian |
| 17:32.42 | yanopapi | thx |
| 17:32.45 | xoz | Jacky^: you can try a special cable.. i think it is called crossover cable which will allow you to connect directly between two machines... you can also set it by twisting a pair... google for info or buy from store. |
| 17:33.46 | xoz | Jacky^: you can even connect thru usb-to-usb |
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| 17:33.54 | Jacky^ | xoz: I want to use 2 modem for the connection, not nic, should work |
| 17:34.35 | abrotman | Jacky^: yes .. it would work .. |
| 17:34.46 | kc99 | hi, I am having an interesting problem. I made one of my old debian boxes my firewall. Now from that box I can ping and do whatever I want. Yet when I forward traffic from my local lan it goes out and you can see it goes out from the modem but nothing comes back in to the router or the modem does any one know what can be causing this ? |
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| 17:34.54 | abrotman | Jacky^: you have to dial the debian box .. and have it give IP/router/etc to your windows client |
| 17:35.15 | Jacky^ | for what I understand the windows machine should 'call' the Debian machine using a modem |
| 17:35.21 | levander | I'm evaluating backup solutions for Linux right now. Anybody have an opinion about mondo vs. amanda or other solutions? |
| 17:35.37 | Draconicus | xoz: Did you mean dpkg-reconfigure xorg, or xserver-xfree86 or what? I'm new to using x.org. Will either work? Will attempting one cause problems? |
| 17:35.55 | Jacky^ | abrotman: should be nice if I found some howto :( |
| 17:35.56 | kc99 | levander: use veritas or just tar /ssh |
| 17:36.00 | wobbler | Skaja: i posted this url last night for you that tells about your modem did you look at it? http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-40099.html |
| 17:36.02 | abrotman | Jacky^: did you check tldp.org ? |
| 17:36.04 | levander | kc99: sounds like you need to have NAT enabled |
| 17:36.13 | Draconicus | I'll just try both.. :P |
| 17:36.16 | levander | kc99: why? |
| 17:36.17 | Draconicus | Stupid question anyway. |
| 17:36.19 | kc99 | levander: i have NAT enabled |
| 17:36.23 | deepan | can anyone interpret these tcpdump output for me.. 23:13:00.470538 IP 203.212.229.87.48996 > bioinformatics.org.8888: S 1584792223:1584792223(0) win 2048 23:13:00.976101 IP 203.212.229.87.48997 > bioinformatics.org.8888: S 1584857758:1584857758(0) win 4096 |
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| 17:36.26 | xoz | for xorg, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg... similar with xfree86... just change xorg to xgree86 |
| 17:36.43 | Jacky^ | abrotman: I googled modem - debian - windows .. |
| 17:36.43 | kc99 | levander: my modem does not even pick up any packet comeing back its like a one way connection |
| 17:36.54 | kc99 | levander: i had some experience with backups |
| 17:36.56 | Draconicus | ...Hmm.. |
| 17:37.01 | zOap | a nice firewall? |
| 17:37.02 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 17:37.02 | abrotman | Jacky^: google 'debian dialup server |
| 17:37.03 | abrotman | ' |
| 17:37.06 | Draconicus | Thanks, xoz. |
| 17:37.08 | levander | kc99: the modem is outside the firewall i assume? |
| 17:37.13 | kc99 | levander: yes |
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| 17:37.33 | levander | kc99: just saying you have some experience doesn't really help me figure out the difference kc99 |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | Jacky^: check at TLDP.org .. they should have plenty of docs |
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| 17:37.52 | xoz | Draconicus: try the opposite of what you hvae configured. if buffer is used, disable it, and vice-versa. |
| 17:38.06 | kc99 | levander: the best thing is just write a script with tar archiving everything at low cpu loads and sending it over to a server through ssh and on that server use compression. |
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| 17:38.41 | levander | kc99: okay, re-read issue with your firewall, the problem is obvious having to do with the modem and the remote server from sounds of it |
| 17:38.42 | cmihai | "joke" of the day: |
| 17:38.46 | cmihai | 20:37 <+ALIASS> and what does this do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda becouse it's working my hard drive...` ! |
| 17:39.02 | kc99 | levander: well I can only suggest what i know. and I have some experience with veritas backup solutions and using your own scripts with rsync or just tar /ssh |
| 17:39.09 | kc99 | levander: and thats what works best for me |
| 17:39.14 | levander | kc99: this is just a desktop I'm backing up to it's DVD drive. I don't have access to a server to do the back ups for me. |
| 17:39.17 | zize | green_earz: ok. seems to work. thx a lot! |
| 17:39.28 | kc99 | levander: oh i c |
| 17:39.29 | Jacky^ | abrotman: ok, thanks :) |
| 17:39.49 | levander | kc99: talking about low cpu utilization with tar did give me an idea why you like that |
| 17:40.08 | deepan | please tell me the meaning for S in the above two lines of tcpdump output |
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| 17:40.15 | kc99 | levander: the problem is not with the modem.. you see this is my first drop all script and i had it working for some time then all of a sudden it stopped recieving packets on the external modem. |
| 17:40.44 | levander | kc99: you can see packets going out but not coming in right? |
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| 17:40.54 | kc99 | levander: when i turn back to accept all policy everything works. and for some reason there is no logs at all |
| 17:40.59 | kc99 | levander: yep |
| 17:40.59 | levander | out of the modem* |
| 17:41.07 | asg | deepan: did you read the tcpdump manpage? |
| 17:41.13 | kc99 | levander: yep there the led blinks everything i send from lan |
| 17:41.23 | Draconicus | xoz: I just ran it in a separate console, and changed my mind for some reason... I tried to 'esc' out of all of it, since ctrl+c didn't work... I think I just overwrote whatever setting might have existed with defaults. Is the decision based on system limitations, and if so, what's a rough example of a good situation for the buffered setting? |
| 17:41.24 | deepan | ya .. nothing is there about that asg |
| 17:41.31 | levander | kc99: oh, very interesting, gimme a sec to think |
| 17:41.36 | xoz | kc99: disable your firewall to check if the problem is the config of firewall. |
| 17:41.43 | kc99 | levander: i did and it is |
| 17:41.45 | asg | deepan: The first line says that tcp port 1023 on rtsg sent a packet to port login on csam. The S indicates that the SYN flag was set. |
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| 17:41.54 | kc99 | xoz: i did and it is the scripts problem |
| 17:41.56 | asg | deepan: from the manpage talking about an example |
| 17:42.06 | kc99 | xoz: but there is nothing wrong with the script |
| 17:42.12 | Skaja | ok i did lspci it sees my modem |
| 17:42.13 | deepan | no its not about a example asg: |
| 17:42.29 | xoz | kc99: iptables -L ? |
| 17:42.38 | kc99 | xoz: everthing is normal |
| 17:42.43 | deepan | what does R in the same place mean.. and what are rtsg and csam |
| 17:42.51 | xoz | kc99: new kernel compile? |
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| 17:43.01 | levander | kc99: well, it's a problem with the firewall if when you change it to accept all, everythign works |
| 17:43.04 | kc99 | xoz: that script was working fine for a good few days before all of a sudden and it becomes a one way highway |
| 17:43.10 | kc99 | xoz: no |
| 17:43.18 | xoz | Draconicus: there is a backup ... check ls -ltr /etc/X11 |
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| 17:44.05 | xoz | kc99: what firewall are you using? manually made? |
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| 17:44.09 | kc99 | levander: thats the funny thing that it isn't a script problem and I am sure of it.. I made a backup of a working drop all script the one that worked all the time .. simple script -- no errors .. and it still didnt work, only the accept all script works |
| 17:44.21 | Skaja | ok if debian see my modem then how come i cant do the net install |
| 17:44.22 | kc99 | xoz: yep my own optimized one |
| 17:44.36 | Draconicus | xoz: And what would your answer be regarding my question about system requirements? |
| 17:44.41 | xoz | kc99: you didn't upgrade to kernel? |
| 17:44.42 | asg | deepan: ...opening portion of an rlogin from host rtsg to host csam. |
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| 17:45.04 | kc99 | xoz: nope. |
| 17:45.10 | kc99 | xoz: i didn't do any compiling |
| 17:45.17 | levander | kc99: if one works and the other doesn't, it's got to be the problem of the one that doesn't work from my thinking |
| 17:45.19 | abrotman | Skaja: cause it's a winmodem |
| 17:45.29 | xoz | Draconicus: the advice is to use buffer unless you experience random errors. |
| 17:45.53 | levander | kc99: i realize you're pulling your hair out over this one, but I'd tried to rewrite that script, testing it step by step. |
| 17:45.59 | xoz | kc99: are you using sarge? |
| 17:46.20 | Skaja | i went to actiontec.com found my modem it support linux |
| 17:46.29 | kc99 | levander: thats what i kept telling my self for 2 days already... but yet i followed the packets path to the point it gets accepted by the forward rule and then i see the led on my modem blink and then nothing comes back |
| 17:46.38 | Draconicus | xoz: Okay. Um.. The original is the dated one, right? It's dated eight minutes ago, which is when I did the config, but that's the date of backup and not the date of config creation, right? |
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| 17:46.57 | kc99 | xoz: debian sarge |
| 17:46.58 | wobbler | Skaja: look here http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-40099.html |
| 17:47.00 | mwilson | grrrr |
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| 17:47.13 | abrotman | !tell Skaja about winmodem |
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| 17:47.22 | abrotman | !feed mwilson |
| 17:47.22 | levander | kc99: it's IP traffic your sending through this modem? |
| 17:47.30 | Phated | 01:30 < resiak> | Phated: Meh, whatever. |
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| 17:47.37 | Phated | Eep. |
| 17:47.38 | xoz | Draconicus: the original usually is copied to a file with certain sequence number.. and the new config is xorg.conf |
| 17:47.39 | kc99 | levander: i tested the packet flow step by step inserting log rules after each line and i even rewrote the script from scratch twice.. nothing works. |
| 17:47.54 | abrotman | Phated: misfire! |
| 17:47.55 | Yendor | Has anyone ever had problems running Java GUI programs because your system thinks that your locale is set to "CX"? |
| 17:48.00 | resiak | Phated: ? |
| 17:48.01 | levander | kc99: it's IP traffic your sending through this modem? |
| 17:48.01 | kc99 | levander: yep |
| 17:48.03 | Phated | abrotman: Shuttup. |
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| 17:48.26 | wobbler | bbl gotta go |
| 17:48.31 | abrotman | Phated: yes massah |
| 17:48.45 | Draconicus | xoz: Yeah. I noticed the sequence number is yyyymmddhhmm |
| 17:48.45 | tdonahue | hi all, does anyone have a Asus A7V880 KT880 that they are using the onboard SATA on? |
| 17:48.48 | kc99 | levander: the funny thing is that none of the ports work either no icmp no tcp no udp no ports nada.. its blocking all my rules for forward |
| 17:48.51 | Draconicus | Nifty. |
| 17:49.16 | levander | kc99: you know that each IP packet has a "return address" on it so that the remote machine knows who to respond to. I'm complete networking amateur, but is it possible that the firewall is setting this return address incorrectly somehow? Like maybe it's setting it to internal IP netwoerk addresses that the remote machine can't find? |
| 17:49.20 | Draconicus | There. Original restored. |
| 17:49.48 | Skaja | here is my modem http://www.actiontec.com/support/modems/cwi.html |
| 17:49.49 | kc99 | levander: thats what i am thinking right now.. but how can i find that out.. |
| 17:49.59 | kc99 | levander: and how do i fix it .. would be my next question |
| 17:50.09 | levander | kc99: like I said, i'm networking amateur, i have no idea |
| 17:50.16 | kc99 | levander: cause what you just said makes sense to me |
| 17:50.23 | tdonahue | I'm getting errors when I try to write to the SATA drives and i'm curious if it might be caused by driver issues, or if I received bad drives |
| 17:50.38 | levander | kc99: aren't there programs that let you view the network packet traffic? At the IP level? |
| 17:50.38 | xoz | Draconicus: my experience is that vlc or mplayer using some bad codecs programming sometimes corrupt X and the way to make sure that you have a stable system again is to reboot. it really depends on many things but X can be corrupted by those bad codecs. |
| 17:50.58 | abrotman | X is too fragile .. move to Berlin |
| 17:51.03 | kc99 | levander: like sniffers |
| 17:51.09 | kc99 | levander: tcpdump |
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| 17:51.50 | levander | kc99: also, I wouldn't completely rewrite that script when you debug it. I don't even know what a firewall script looks like, but I'd write a very small script, "one line script" and test that. That works, test the next line, etc. |
| 17:52.00 | levander | kc99: i have no idea what they're called, sniffers sounds familiar |
| 17:52.20 | xoz | levander: isolate... divide and conquer :) |
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| 17:52.32 | lindi- | kc99: i'd use tcpdump if i were you |
| 17:52.34 | levander | xoz: sometimes it's the only way.... |
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| 17:52.51 | kc99 | levander: i rewrote the script after i saw that something was wrong with mine.. my script is optimized but still it is over 10 printed pages at size 10 font |
| 17:53.10 | xoz | levander: oftentimes, it is the sane way. start from the beginning until you reach the end... lewis carol |
| 17:53.14 | levander | kc99: i thought you said this was a very small script that you knew nothign was wrong with? |
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| 17:53.49 | Draconicus | xoz: "kernel framebuffer interface" should be a yes? I assume that's the buffer you speak of. |
| 17:53.54 | kc99 | levander: I have 2 scripts one which was working all the time and the other one which started to work and fails after a few days |
| 17:53.56 | levander | xoz: lewis carol said the whole thing? starting with often times? or, he started with "start from the beginning"? |
| 17:53.58 | xoz | Draconicus: yep. |
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| 17:54.04 | Draconicus | 'kay. |
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| 17:54.15 | levander | kc99: that's the whacky thing, failing after a few days |
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| 17:54.47 | xoz | levander: i think it sounds like that... alice asked the king where to start.... and the king said... |
| 17:54.50 | levander | kc99: trying to imagine what could cause that |
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| 17:55.29 | xoz | levander: yeah, no oftentimes :) |
| 17:55.39 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 17:55.58 | kc99 | levander: i am going to disconnect my network to try out some tcpdumping ... thanx for the help... |
| 17:56.04 | yoo | i receive a curious message in my /var/log/syslog about my tape device |
| 17:56.04 | levander | kc99: i almost wonder if there's a cache somewhere that's making it work for a couple of days? Like a dns cache or something on the network somewhere? |
| 17:56.07 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.07 | yoo | egal Request |
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| 17:56.13 | levander | kc99: good luck!!! |
| 17:56.19 | afabian | Is there a Debian package with mtree in it? |
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| 17:56.28 | greycat | afabian: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:56.31 | xoz | Draconicus: if it's not working well, then negate it. if it's still not working, then look elsewhere :) |
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| 17:56.32 | yoo | but my backup work fine ! |
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| 17:56.33 | afabian | greycat: thanks. |
| 17:56.43 | yoo | What this message mean ? |
| 17:56.43 | kc99 | levander: i don't think its a dns problem cause ping should have still worked for the ipaddress |
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| 17:56.50 | Divi | Anyone got a minute to help me with some info about Debain in PM? |
| 17:56.59 | kc99 | levander: thanx bye bye |
| 17:57.08 | Krito | hola |
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| 17:57.15 | kc99 | xoz: thanx for the help as well... |
| 17:57.15 | xoz | kc99: what about traceroute ? |
| 17:57.24 | Yendor | Has anyone ever had a problem with their locale being surrepititiously set to "CX"? I can't run Java programs (like the ones I need for work) because of this. Am seriously flummoxed by this... |
| 17:57.26 | greycat | !tell Divi about guidelines |
| 17:57.31 | kc99 | xoz: what about it? |
| 17:57.41 | Draconicus | xoz: Thanks for the help, and I apologize for being so clueless. Six months with Linux... you'd think I'd know by now. |
| 17:57.42 | xoz | kc99: forget it :) |
| 17:57.52 | Krito | Hello |
| 17:57.56 | kc99 | xoz: packet does go one way it reaches the destination.. i know it does |
| 17:58.01 | kc99 | xoz: it just never comes back |
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| 17:59.24 | _ad_ | can some1 point me to a decent rss reader? |
| 17:59.35 | Skaja | ok i wound my modem there is a green ok next to it |
| 17:59.39 | abrotman | if you can type in proper english we might |
| 17:59.58 | Laibsch | Is there such a thing as a method/program similar in function to screen but for an X session? |
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| 18:00.28 | Laibsch | screen provides a method to reconnect to a shell after being disconnected. |
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| 18:00.35 | xoz | Draconicus: heh, many here has 10 years of linux and still learning. learning unix takes forever. you'll keep discovering new things. |
| 18:00.43 | Skaja | ok now what do i do |
| 18:00.59 | abrotman | xoz: you're slow :) |
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| 18:02.11 | adjacent | Romeo is trying to seduce me with free pron everytime i join |
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| 18:02.42 | pablum | !ops Romeo is an onjoin spambot |
| 18:02.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Romeo is an onjoin spambot |
| 18:02.50 | xoz | abrotman: i still like kernighan and pike's unix programming environment (c 1984)... the book that inspired me to love programming :) |
| 18:02.52 | abrotman | and RichiH too! |
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| 18:02.57 | abrotman | RichiH: you're always away! |
| 18:02.57 | LoRez | klined |
| 18:03.03 | greycat | LoRez: ok. |
| 18:03.04 | abrotman | LoRez: thanks |
| 18:03.23 | pablum | abrotman: RichiH is a spambot? |
| 18:03.42 | balony | idbm.c:31:16: error: db.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:03.45 | Ronin | heh i dont think so pablum |
| 18:03.46 | abrotman | pablum: no . he's staff .. and he had asked a while ago to bug him if we find another one :) |
| 18:03.49 | balony | anyone have any idea what dev files I might be missing? |
| 18:03.53 | quiet | oi! ugh? anyone know how to get out of full-screen mode in vmware? |
| 18:03.54 | quiet | lol |
| 18:03.59 | pablum | ah, ok |
| 18:03.59 | abrotman | #vmware |
| 18:04.05 | quiet | sry |
| 18:04.13 | greycat | balony: apt-cache search -- -names-only lib db -dev |
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| 18:04.28 | abrotman | balony: is your first name oscar ? |
| 18:04.29 | greycat | oops, put the -- after the --names-only and double up the -- ... |
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| 18:05.05 | balony | huh? apt-cache search -- --names-only lib db -dev |
| 18:05.17 | balony | abrotman: what? |
| 18:05.24 | abrotman | how about `apt-cache search libdb dev` |
| 18:05.31 | abrotman | balony: you're not from the states are you? |
| 18:05.34 | quiet | abrotman, lol.. that's mean |
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| 18:05.50 | balony | abrotman: that's right |
| 18:05.50 | abrotman | or --names-only libdb dev |
| 18:05.52 | abrotman | whatever |
| 18:06.04 | abrotman | balony: if you were born in the states .. it would have made sense .. |
| 18:06.10 | greycat | ok, what the hell is this? |
| 18:06.11 | shotoWork | i'm trying to make a very small distro for a very single use, ne1 know the way i should take? |
| 18:06.12 | greycat | arc1:~$ apt-cache search --names-only lib db dev |
| 18:06.14 | greycat | freecdb - a package for creating and reading constant databases |
| 18:06.27 | greycat | that name does NOT contain lib or dev. |
| 18:06.43 | ke6isf | greycat: apt-cache show freecdb |
| 18:06.48 | deepan | is there a tool that detects loopback communication .. similar to tcpdump.. to find out the traffic from and to 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:06.50 | ke6isf | greycat: I wonder if 'lib' or 'dev' are in that. |
| 18:06.54 | abrotman | ke6isf: that's not the point |
| 18:07.01 | ke6isf | deepan: iptraf, look on localhost. |
| 18:07.10 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.10 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.25 | ke6isf | greycat: Indeed. So it's not supposed to do that. |
| 18:07.30 | xoz | the db of freecdb? |
| 18:07.34 | abrotman | greycat: file a bug! |
| 18:07.45 | abrotman | is it supposed to match all terms .. or just one of the three ? |
| 18:08.02 | greycat | it's pretty stupid the way it is now. |
| 18:08.27 | Skaja | ok i found my modem on http://start.at/modem/ no what |
| 18:08.28 | Draconicus | I'll be back. X restart and such. |
| 18:08.32 | Skaja | now |
| 18:08.35 | greycat | I still get "freecdb" even if I rearrange the order of the search terms |
| 18:08.40 | bnoji | I'm freezing |
| 18:08.45 | bnoji | Someone has the AC all the way down |
| 18:09.02 | greycat | bnoji: our AC is broken. You must have stolen our AC's mojo! |
| 18:09.44 | ke6isf | pablum: Which tree? |
| 18:11.00 | flux | i have installed j2se 5.0 in debian, don't wanna set it as system default with update-alternatives, how do i make it default for mozilla (in kde it's no problem specifying the path to the java binary!) can anyone help please ? |
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| 18:11.32 | xoz | maybe --names-only means any occurence of lib|db|dev |
| 18:11.39 | abrotman | bnoji: tell you what .. you move to philly .. work outside .. then complain |
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| 18:11.59 | abrotman | i think the heat index is about 100 today |
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| 18:12.12 | kunphuzil | The X Window System file to edit is .startxrc right? |
| 18:12.19 | abrotman | no .. only 91 says yahoo .. oh well |
| 18:12.20 | jerome | kunphuzil: .xinitrc |
| 18:12.33 | kunphuzil | Ah, it's been a while since I've used linux, thanks (: |
| 18:12.37 | jerome | kunphuzil: depends what you want to do though |
| 18:12.37 | pablum | ke6isf: firefox would start under fvwm but no window. And it worked fine in gnome (metasomething) |
| 18:12.38 | xoz | kunphuzil: .xsession |
| 18:12.41 | greycat | .xsession is preferred but it's dependent on how you start X. |
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| 18:12.51 | ke6isf | guh, 65% humid out of LosAl ARB. |
| 18:12.54 | kunphuzil | greycat: how so? |
| 18:13.12 | greycat | e.g. gdm is broken and doesn't use either unless you click some motherfuckinglystupid thing with the benighted *mouse* fergodssake. |
| 18:13.12 | ke6isf | pablum: Weird. Which branch of Deb was that in? |
| 18:13.15 | afabian | pablum: I've been using fvwm + firefox since sarge was released. no problems at any time. |
| 18:13.21 | xoz | using .xinitrc is confusing. .xsession is used by both startx and xdm |
| 18:13.24 | pablum | ke6isf: tree? I'm on sid but... is their something in the acknowledgement that'll tell you? or do you want the bug number? |
| 18:13.34 | Rickyx | I created a bochs os image using bximage for size 1000mb of type "sparse". cylinder=2031, heads=16, sectors per track=63, total sectors=2047248. Now how do I create a filesystem on it ? Any help ? |
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| 18:13.47 | pipeline | ke6isf: "At 12:53 PM EST on July 25, 2005: Muncie, Indiana (47302) reports Temp: 91°F/32°C Humidity: 72% Dewpoint: 81°F/27°C" |
| 18:13.49 | ke6isf | pablum: If it's in Sid, it won't affect me - I'm just curious as to where it was. |
| 18:13.52 | brosio | but in debian testing is still xfree or is alredy out xorg ? |
| 18:14.03 | abrotman | xfree last i knew |
| 18:14.09 | pablum | ke6isf: afabian: firefox 1.0.5 and fvwm something, on pure-amd64 |
| 18:14.10 | xoz | kunphuzil: man xsession for explanation |
| 18:14.12 | quiet | yes xfree |
| 18:14.14 | abrotman | pipeline: what's your "Feels like" ? |
| 18:14.16 | quiet | xorg is in sid |
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| 18:14.26 | pipeline | abrotman: I don't know. 110ish, I imagine |
| 18:14.30 | ke6isf | pipeline: Geh, and you're nowhere *near* the ocean. |
| 18:14.31 | abrotman | pipeline: http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USIN0452.html |
| 18:14.39 | pipeline | ke6isf: That's why it's so goddamn hot. |
| 18:14.41 | abrotman | pipeline: close :) |
| 18:14.48 | jerome | brosio: but xorg in sid is pretty and still a bit buggy. |
| 18:14.50 | pablum | ke6isf afabian: it was a 64 bitness bug in fvwm. |
| 18:15.05 | jerome | brosio: pretty recent* |
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| 18:15.22 | ke6isf | pablum: *looks at his Athlon* Effects me absolutely *none* then. Good on you for the fix. |
| 18:15.27 | pipeline | ke6isf: Oceans moderate temperatures and weather. Here, it can be desperately dry, horribly hot, and still get 80% humidity. And the winters are even more fun. |
| 18:15.27 | xoz | jerome: i beg to disagree. |
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| 18:15.38 | barry | hello |
| 18:15.39 | ke6isf | pipeline: So I've heard. |
| 18:15.45 | ma3x | is it OK if i use tune2fs -m %2 /dev/sda1? |
| 18:15.48 | abrotman | pipeline: holy god .. looking at maps.google .. you're not near anything useful :) |
| 18:15.51 | jerome | xoz: about the recent part or the buggy part ? |
| 18:15.54 | ke6isf | pipeline: Could be worse. I've briefly pondered the idea of moving to Memphis. |
| 18:16.08 | Skaja | i did this http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-40099.html my modem starts dialing then just hangs there |
| 18:16.21 | xoz | jerome: it is getting stable. |
| 18:16.23 | jerome | xoz: actually xorg+gcc4 is a bit buggy for now |
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| 18:16.23 | pablum | crap... W: Couldn't stat source package list (and a couple more) and finally: E: Some index files failed to download |
| 18:16.28 | ke6isf | Skaja: It *starts* dialing? Is it completing the dial sequence? |
| 18:16.29 | abrotman | pipeline: oh wait .. do i have to count Indi as useful ? :) |
| 18:16.37 | jerome | xoz: at least for matrox cards |
| 18:16.42 | barry | I keep getting the /dev/sequencer error when I try and play a MIDI, how am I supposed to get rid of that |
| 18:16.43 | yazan | hi all |
| 18:16.46 | pipeline | abrotman: No. |
| 18:16.50 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:16.56 | pipeline | abrotman: Although there is an airport and a fry's |
| 18:16.58 | barry | I know it's a common problem, but I haven't found where the fix is |
| 18:17.00 | xoz | jerome: ah. i think it is more of a transition than really *buggy* |
| 18:17.10 | Skaja | no i does not get that far |
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| 18:17.22 | ma3x | is it OK if i use tune2fs -m %2 /dev/sda1? |
| 18:17.25 | jerome | xoz: well, yes and no, there are some real problems on mga |
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| 18:17.38 | Skaja | i'm using kppp |
| 18:17.40 | abrotman | pipeline: i've been to that airport .. it doesn't count :) |
| 18:17.54 | jerome | xoz: problems that may be described as transitionnal considering how recent gcc4 is |
| 18:17.59 | Skaja | it finds the modem then stops |
| 18:18.39 | xoz | jerome: first time my really unstable machine (transmeta) is running X for more than 6 days without X *corruption*. i must say it is stable than previous xfree86. |
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| 18:18.55 | ke6isf | Skaja: Are you able to determine what dial string it's using? |
| 18:19.10 | Skaja | nope |
| 18:19.13 | xoz | jerome: and i upgrade to sid daily. |
| 18:19.13 | ma3x | hello is it dangerous if i use tune2fs -m %2 /dev/sda1? |
| 18:19.19 | ma3x | is it danger? |
| 18:19.20 | yazan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.26 | ma3x | is there danger that i get the partition eraseD? |
| 18:19.33 | ke6isf | Skaja: What happens if you just do 'ifup ppp0' |
| 18:19.37 | jerome | xoz: my words for brosio were more of a warning than a complain huh ;) |
| 18:19.51 | yazan | the first is with skype i can't hier anything in skype |
| 18:20.00 | Skaja | i dont know never did that |
| 18:20.13 | lordlamer | i use debian woody and have compiled php myself in version 4.3.11. u made an update to version 4.4.0. i get errors with some applications. so i downgrade to version 4.3.11. but now i have i problem with sessions in php. if i go to a site that use phpsessions the session is saved in cookie and in the url. on next pages on this site the session is only be saved in the cookie. why do i have this problem on the first page? |
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| 18:20.15 | greycat | we don't support skype here. It's proprietary and non-free. |
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| 18:20.32 | abrotman | greycat: and not in debian :) |
| 18:20.44 | ma3x | greycat : that's not true, skype is free! |
| 18:20.57 | lordlamer | ma3x: nope |
| 18:20.59 | ke6isf | !skype |
| 18:20.59 | dpkg | from memory, skype is a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols |
| 18:21.04 | jerome | ma3x: free as free software |
| 18:21.07 | markit | I've installed debian sarge (stable) in a old pc, and I've the problem with rtc.ko described here: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2005-January/010859.html any idea? |
| 18:21.15 | ma3x | yes, free as free software |
| 18:21.18 | ma3x | what do you want more than that?! |
| 18:21.23 | greycat | ma3x: free-as-in-beer usually means the same as non-free, which is to say, "Not DFSG Free". |
| 18:21.24 | xoz | jerome: gcc4 and xorg are the right directions... yeah, just beware of breakage. |
| 18:21.33 | greycat | !DFSG |
| 18:21.33 | dpkg | methinks dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 18:21.34 | jerome | xoz: that's it. |
| 18:21.45 | greycat | ma3x: it is NOT FREE SOFTWARE. |
| 18:21.51 | ma3x | it is free for use |
| 18:21.59 | markit | skype is evil, use SIP protocol instead and FWD |
| 18:22.00 | greycat | Free Software is a GNU term and their meaning of Free is not the same as YOUR meaning of 'free'. |
| 18:22.16 | markit | Free=libre |
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| 18:22.27 | ma3x | of course not |
| 18:22.41 | abrotman | free beer .. not free speech |
| 18:22.42 | xoz | jerome: although except for gaim, i haven't encountered breakage which i was looking forward... oh well. |
| 18:22.45 | ma3x | look, skype is free for phoning to other skype users, okay? |
| 18:22.48 | greycat | ma3x: read the DFSG link shown above. |
| 18:22.54 | ma3x | now i dunno about modifying its source and stuff like that |
| 18:22.59 | epictetus | ma3x: It's not free, it just doesn't cost anything. |
| 18:23.00 | ma3x | but you can phone for free |
| 18:23.02 | Skaja | http://www.skype.com/ looks free to me |
| 18:23.02 | abrotman | free beer! |
| 18:23.03 | ma3x | i'll read it later |
| 18:23.07 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 18:23.09 | ma3x | that's right Skaja |
| 18:23.14 | abrotman | it's free as in beer .. not free as in speech |
| 18:23.19 | ke6isf | Free beer would be good. After I get home from work. |
| 18:23.20 | epictetus | just because you don't pay for something, doesn't mean it's free |
| 18:23.21 | xoz | ma3x: kphone, gnomemeeting allow you also |
| 18:23.36 | ma3x | is gnome available for windows too? |
| 18:23.49 | ma3x | cause most of the friends i have all over the world, they use windows |
| 18:23.59 | ma3x | and skype has support for bboth platforms |
| 18:24.01 | ma3x | both* even |
| 18:24.02 | xoz | ma3x: why are you here? |
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| 18:24.13 | ma3x | xoz : why not? |
| 18:24.15 | abrotman | ma3x: gtk is available ... |
| 18:24.16 | markit | ma3x: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ |
| 18:24.18 | greycat | if www.skype.com is "for free" (their words), why do they have links that say "Products" and "Store"? |
| 18:24.28 | ma3x | abrotman that's cool then! |
| 18:24.32 | abrotman | ma3x: and gnomemeeting uses h232 or whatever it is .. which netmeeting understands |
| 18:24.37 | ke6isf | greycat: Maybe they sell coffee cups. =^_^= |
| 18:24.38 | asg | greycat: t-shirts? |
| 18:24.39 | abrotman | you know .. open, standard, protocols |
| 18:24.41 | ma3x | because they have other products |
| 18:24.46 | ma3x | like phones, headsets, etc.... |
| 18:24.52 | ma3x | click and check yourself |
| 18:24.54 | xoz | ma3x: follow your friends... birds of the same feather flock together or birds of the same flock, feather together... isn't it. |
| 18:24.57 | petemc | and skype out credits |
| 18:25.03 | ma3x | yeah and skype out credits |
| 18:25.21 | ma3x | gotta go, will miss my train |
| 18:25.21 | ma3x | later |
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| 18:25.24 | greycat | ``and works with most computers.'' -- now *there's* a phrase to strike fear in the hearts of Unix users. |
| 18:25.38 | Draconicus | Is it safe to delete everything in /tmp? It's all temporary files, right? |
| 18:25.39 | jerome | hum, k3b still can't be installed. ... libaspell15/libaspell15c2 |
| 18:27.10 | greycat | Draconicus: some of them may be in use. |
| 18:27.10 | asg | jerome: keep checking the bts, it will tell you when things are back to normal. |
| 18:27.10 | Draconicus | Wait... this is kb... oh... nevermind. :P |
| 18:27.10 | greycat | Draconicus: it's usually safe to delete anything in /tmp with an mtime more than 24 hours ago |
| 18:27.10 | ke6isf | greycat: I don't think you can nuke a file if it's in use... can you? |
| 18:27.10 | jerome | asg: I was just doing it :) |
| 18:27.10 | markit | so no one has the rtc-kop problem...? |
| 18:27.10 | greycat | ke6isf: you can unlink it, and it will continue to occupy disk space as long as it's still open. But some application may be expecting to reopen the file by name. |
| 18:27.10 | markit | so no one has the rtc-ko problem...? |
| 18:27.10 | ke6isf | greycat: Ah, indeed. |
| 18:27.10 | deepan | i was running HTC ( http tunneling client ) which was listening to port 2323 ... i did a "telnet localhost 2323" .. but connection to localhost host got closed with the reply "connection closed by foreign host" .. tcpdump has dumped the traffic on port 2323 .. can some one interpret that and tell me why the connection got closed. look for the tcpdump output from http://pastebin.com/320410 |
| 18:27.14 | Draconicus | Are there any big caches anywhere that can be cleaned other then apt's cache, or any large apps that have much smaller, useful alternatives, that I should know about? |
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| 18:28.13 | ke6isf | Draconicus: You could always do 'du -m --max-depth=1 /', and narrow it down from there. It will probably be safe to *not* delete anything in /usr though. |
| 18:28.18 | xoz | Draconicus: ~/.xsession-errors ... sometimes, it gets too huge for some reasons. |
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| 18:29.06 | ke6isf | Draconicus: Hint - do this as root. |
| 18:29.06 | abrotman | ls / | xargs du -sk |
| 18:29.06 | xoz | Draconicus: or kdirstat if you want *icecandy* view of big files |
| 18:29.09 | ke6isf | abrotman: Even better, but any reason why k over m? |
| 18:29.12 | Draconicus | Okay... alternatively, is there any way to resize partitions to take space from a user partition and give it to the root partition? |
| 18:29.30 | abrotman | ke6isf: i work with small values ? :) |
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| 18:29.35 | abrotman | ke6isf: habit |
| 18:29.41 | ke6isf | abrotman: Heh, good reason. =^^= |
| 18:29.42 | abrotman | ke6isf: why not -h ? |
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| 18:30.05 | ke6isf | abrotman: Never considered it, actually. =^^+ |
| 18:30.25 | xoz | Draconicus: depends on your expertise playing with the partition. it may require a livecd to make sure you avoid shooting your own foot. use qtparted or parted |
| 18:30.26 | stew | i use -k over -h becuase -k is sortable |
| 18:30.31 | ke6isf | ...and now I gotta go to work. Laters. |
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| 18:30.54 | stew | and why not du -sk /* and skip xargs? |
| 18:31.00 | Draconicus | xoz: And what is the risk of data loss by accidental overshooting? |
| 18:31.17 | resiak | Draconicus: Back up. |
| 18:31.18 | Draconicus | With careful measurements beforehand, of course. |
| 18:31.24 | xoz | Draconicus: well, backup |
| 18:31.26 | abrotman | stew: i know :) |
| 18:31.32 | resiak | Draconicus: If you resize partitions, you _must_ expect to lose everything. |
| 18:31.42 | abrotman | stew: uhm .. that's the way i learned .. nfc .. i blame .. wait |
| 18:31.44 | abrotman | !mhb |
| 18:31.49 | stew | abrotman: unless you have more that 1024 files in / :) |
| 18:31.49 | abrotman | yes .. i blame RH |
| 18:31.59 | abrotman | stew: i should hope not ... |
| 18:32.03 | asg | stew: he has used Solaris |
| 18:32.03 | resiak | Draconicus: You _probably_ won't. But if you do, and don't back up, we will all point and laugh. |
| 18:32.07 | xoz | Draconicus: and run a livecd... not the system you gonna partition. |
| 18:32.28 | resiak | Draconicus: Of course, if you've made a full backup, the easiest thing to do is just repartition then restore everything. |
| 18:32.30 | abrotman | asg: i have .. quite a bit |
| 18:32.32 | Draconicus | Hmm... maybe I'll just see if I can get a second harddrive to mount. I need space, particularly root space, for odd reasons. Is there a way to actively expand partitions into a second drive? |
| 18:32.45 | asg | abrotman: where the home or root is / |
| 18:32.58 | Draconicus | That probably isn't the best idea, though.. |
| 18:32.58 | resiak | Draconicus: If you used LVM, yes, but you didn't :) |
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| 18:33.00 | abrotman | home of root user is / .. yes |
| 18:33.19 | xoz | Draconicus: if you wanna play with resize, just backup your important data. it's a good learning experience. next time, you may be able to write a howto:) |
| 18:33.22 | abrotman | asg: i don't think solaris does taht .. but i'm not 100% certain |
| 18:33.37 | asg | abrotman: well, 2.6 does. |
| 18:33.41 | Draconicus | xoz: I don't think I can take the stress. :P |
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| 18:34.18 | abrotman | asg: perhaps it still does .. hopefuly by now they've stopped doing that .. kind of dumb :) |
| 18:34.32 | abrotman | asg: i used a lot of 7 .. so i guess it probably did to |
| 18:34.34 | abrotman | too |
| 18:34.40 | Draconicus | Final question: If I backup all of my compiled binaries, files, etc, and drop them into a fresh installation of Debian with the appropriate kernel updates, will everything run as it should? |
| 18:35.07 | Draconicus | Assuming I have testing again, too, of course. |
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| 18:35.09 | xoz | Draconicus: you can also use ln to link dir to another.... i move some files like /var/cache/apt or /var/lib/dpkg to /usr and make a link... to have more free space for root. |
| 18:35.12 | jerome | Draconicus: assuming you'll forget some libs around, it won't |
| 18:35.16 | pablum | now I test... |
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| 18:35.32 | abrotman | now is the time on sprockets that we dance |
| 18:35.46 | calyth | Sorry to be OT, but anyone know a site that compares tape backup tech and have a list of manufacturers who make tape drives? |
| 18:35.49 | asg | |o/ |
| 18:35.53 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:36.05 | asg | abrotman: can I touch your monkey? |
| 18:36.12 | xoz | Draconicus: just make sure you don't move some root dirs that are needed during boot-up operation. |
| 18:36.14 | abrotman | asg: if you ask nicely |
| 18:36.27 | xoz | *root subdirs |
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| 18:36.55 | xoz | calyth: goole have millions of links |
| 18:36.59 | xoz | *google |
| 18:37.04 | Draconicus | xoz: The problem with that is I'm tight for root space even with a clean apt package cache. I made the mistake of limiting the root partition's size, thinking I'd have enough space for what I'd be installing (I didn't think I'd need so many things). It's getting so bad that I'm uninstalling some apps that I can live without.. |
| 18:37.12 | barry | hey, how do you set up MIDI to work, I get the /dev/sequencer not found error all the time |
| 18:37.17 | calyth | xoz: tape backup gave me sites that seems unreliable... |
| 18:37.24 | calyth | xoz: but oh well i'll look again |
| 18:37.38 | calyth | xoz: I meant google tape ackup... |
| 18:37.44 | xoz | Draconicus: you don't have separate partition for /usr or /home? |
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| 18:38.19 | Draconicus | barry: You can either get timidity, learn how to use qsynth (midi hardware synthesizer), or find the appropriate software to work with your sound hardware. If you have a Soundblaster Live! card, you can use sfxload to load a soundfont to your card, and then play. |
| 18:39.16 | barry | k. thanks |
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| 18:39.22 | xoz | Draconicus: you can move /usr file in another partition in the second hd. /usr are not needed during boot so if you are in init 1, you don't even need a livecd to move /usr to a new place and edit your /etc/fstab |
| 18:39.34 | barry | how do you use timidity |
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| 18:39.52 | Draconicus | barry: The latter will let you use sequencing apps and such (I think qsynth will, too), while timidity will only let you play midi files with specific instrument patches. |
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| 18:39.55 | pablum | too damn many open windows... say goodbye to gnome, and hello to fvwm! |
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| 18:40.23 | xoz | pablum: try openbox or fluxbox. it's clean like vi. |
| 18:40.24 | Draconicus | barry: The nifty thing about timidity is that, although it's a software synth, you can swap individual midi patches. |
| 18:40.39 | liran | what do i need exim for? |
| 18:40.56 | mwilson | As an MTA, of course. |
| 18:40.57 | greycat | for mail. |
| 18:40.57 | liran | it doesnt look like i got any mta software installed (like postfix/sendmail) |
| 18:41.03 | liran | exim is mta? |
| 18:41.07 | mwilson | Did you even bother to read the package description? |
| 18:41.14 | liran | lol ;) |
| 18:41.21 | liran | never used it heh |
| 18:41.27 | valdyn | !why an mta |
| 18:41.27 | dpkg | you need an mta because you are too clueless to understand the subtle building blocks of a multi-tasking/multi-user operating system that unlike microsoft does not need a reboot every x minutes because it has mechanisms with which to control system communications |
| 18:41.41 | mwilson | I didn't ask you if you'd ever used it, I asked you if you'd read the package description. |
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| 18:42.00 | liran | no i haven't. sorry. |
| 18:42.03 | valdyn | liran: various packages that you have aswell require an mta like exim to function properly. |
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| 18:42.09 | Draconicus | liran: It's usually the default system mail client. It can also do email, I think, but it's generally used so the system can send you messages in similar form. I never check mine, but Debian doesn't like to boot without an MTA thing. |
| 18:42.11 | Draconicus | That's what I know, anyway. |
| 18:42.36 | mwilson | Draconicus: Uh, exim has never been and never will be a "system mail client". |
| 18:42.38 | greycat | exim isn't a mail *client*. |
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| 18:42.42 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 18:42.45 | asg | !mail tutorial |
| 18:42.45 | dpkg | methinks mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 18:42.45 | liran | well i've never used it so im thinking of a removal. ill be installing postfix/sendmail instead if i need to |
| 18:42.58 | asg | mwilson: exim -bt Debian-exim |
| 18:43.01 | Draconicus | Sorry... I hate it when I give inaccurate information. |
| 18:43.01 | liran | mwilson: what do you mean how i checked it? |
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| 18:43.12 | valdyn | liran: sure, you're free to use any other mta, just keep one. |
| 18:43.35 | Draconicus | I thought I knew about that. Anyway, yeah, listen to the experts, liran. I've only been on Debian for six months or so. I shouldn't have said anything. |
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| 18:44.00 | Draconicus | I'll be going back to a user x session, now. |
| 18:44.07 | deepan | how do i make tcpdump to listen to two ports simultaneously |
| 18:44.26 | mwilson | deepan: You run two instances of tcpdump, of course. |
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| 18:45.02 | asg | deepan: why don't you figure out why the daemon is disallowing your connection. Does it have a log? Can you put it in debug mode? |
| 18:45.03 | Draconicus | Craps. |
| 18:45.14 | Draconicus | I'm getting XKB errors. |
| 18:45.23 | stew | deepan: tcpdump port x or port y |
| 18:45.25 | Draconicus | Only in this GNOME session. It's user-end, no doubt. |
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| 18:46.02 | deepan | asg: i think i can put it debug mode.. i will check that |
| 18:46.05 | Draconicus | And the error is returned with HTML text tags? Bizarre. |
| 18:46.17 | asg | deepan: also, if tcpwrappers are involved, look at /var/log/auth.log too |
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| 18:47.37 | xoz | deepan: did you happen to be in ICONIP in india? |
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| 18:48.16 | pablum | yes... this is right (must still update fvwm2rc...) |
| 18:48.18 | Draconicus | My keyboard has been kind of weird. With a normal 104 layout configuration, previously the function keys have returned weird labels. "XF86AudioPlay", "XF86AudioStop", etc. |
| 18:48.25 | Draconicus | Now it's giving errors. Any ideas? |
| 18:48.46 | dan2_ | asg: Ahoy! |
| 18:49.09 | asg | dan2_: hiya |
| 18:49.30 | Draconicus | It's a very generic, and old keyboard. It's similar to that classic IBM keyboard that has been popular for 20 years... big steel plate inside and such. What was that model? Anyway, it's a very normal keyboard. |
| 18:49.55 | mwilson | Model M |
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| 18:50.45 | drac | How do I get 'cvs' automatically enter empty password when logging in as anonymous.. my script is fetching some files from one branch and it's annoying pause in middle of it. |
| 18:50.54 | Draconicus | Yeah. That. Ah, I think I found the problem. A GNOME keyboard vs. X keyboard collision. |
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| 18:51.02 | Draconicus | The configurations, that is. |
| 18:51.13 | liran | i was runing apt-get remove and i got 1 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 1 to remove and 299 not upgraded. |
| 18:51.20 | liran | removing exim |
| 18:51.21 | mwilson | Why does Gnome think it should have anything whatsoever to do with the keyboard configuration? |
| 18:51.27 | liran | heh |
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| 18:51.46 | Nathan75 | list |
| 18:52.00 | xoz | the unix philosphy is messed up by desktop |
| 18:52.19 | mwilson | Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 18:52.44 | asg | xoz: the whole desktop metaphor is broken anyway |
| 18:53.00 | Draconicus | The XF86Audio stuff is still persisting, though. |
| 18:53.03 | Draconicus | Any idea regarding that? |
| 18:53.58 | Draconicus | ... |
| 18:54.09 | Draconicus | Firefox won't launch... |
| 18:54.28 | xoz | asg: there should never be a desktop. just window manager, file manager, xserver, just small apps which you can collect to make your own *desktop*. |
| 18:54.57 | xoz | asg: control should be to you... now, the desktop has taken over the control :) |
| 18:55.14 | Nathan75 | no file manager either... |
| 18:55.27 | asg | xoz: I mean the whole 'desktop' concept just doesn't work. The only thing my desktop (the thing I sit at) and the X screen and xterms have in common is the fact that they are all cluttered with shit that, seemingly, only I am able to find. |
| 18:55.36 | levander | I'm evaluating linux backup strategies. Anybody got opinions on mondo vs. amanda or other solutions? |
| 18:56.05 | xoz | yeah, why not just window manager+apps. |
| 18:56.11 | asg | !pubtime |
| 18:56.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:56.20 | Draconicus | Was trand's quit message in Japanese? |
| 18:57.07 | valdyn | levander: mondo is for backing up your debian installation, most other solutions are better suited to store data which isnt directly part of debian. |
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| 18:57.47 | Nathan75 | Levander: It depends mostly on what you plan to backup |
| 18:57.52 | Draconicus | Does anyone know where the bookmark files are kept for the packaged firefox? |
| 18:57.55 | mwilson | Draconicus: And that's bad, somehow? |
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| 18:59.01 | Draconicus | mwilson: The quit message being in Japanese or the fact that Firefox won't launch? |
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| 18:59.14 | scott | anyone know of a terminal program that changes common text representations of progress bars to graphical representations or allows textured fonts (like jaderholm.com/files/font.jpg)? also, what is a good file manager that lends itself to being used from the keyboard, and has graphics (useful and limited ones)? finally, have there been any new window managers with a noticably different approach to come out in the last year or two? |
| 18:59.17 | mwilson | That crapfox won't launch. |
| 18:59.27 | tarzeau | why must all software follow the FHS in debian? |
| 18:59.34 | encrypted | mwilson: tried dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-firefox? |
| 18:59.59 | mwilson | encrypted: "tried" it for what? |
| 19:00.03 | valdyn | brice_: it probaly does not support that, if you're looking for a feature rich gnome webbrowser, then galeon might be what you're looking for. |
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| 19:00.17 | Nathan75 | mwilson:Did you disable java and javascript ? |
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| 19:00.24 | encrypted | mwilson: your firefox won't launch? |
| 19:00.26 | mwilson | Nathan75: In what? |
| 19:00.26 | nicknicknick | UML rules |
| 19:00.33 | Draconicus | mwilson: Do you prefer the original Mozilla or what? |
| 19:00.38 | mwilson | encrypted: Mine? I don't even have crapfox installed. |
| 19:00.52 | dan2_ | tarzeau: because FHS is a debian policy |
| 19:00.53 | encrypted | mwilson: ah yeah, that'll do it...lol |
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| 19:01.00 | valdyn | brice_: why? epiphany tries to have few features. |
| 19:01.15 | encrypted | mwilson: i've been wanting to play around with another browser -which one are you using? |
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| 19:01.44 | mwilson | encrypted: links2 for the most part, mozilla when a site is crap and won't work otherwise. |
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| 19:01.48 | AquaVixen | HEy there |
| 19:01.50 | vIkSiT | greetings people |
| 19:01.51 | brice_ | query |
| 19:01.52 | Nathan75 | mwilson: I think you can do the disabling isuing a parameter after the firefox command |
| 19:02.04 | brice_ | b |
| 19:02.07 | AquaVixen | i need to figure out a login script i can put in all of my user's home folders, that will prevent them from logging in via SSH |
| 19:02.08 | tarzeau | dan2_: but os x applications don't fit the FHS |
| 19:02.09 | mwilson | Nathan75: Am I supposed to have some idea of what you're talking about? |
| 19:02.11 | brice_ | sorry for that! |
| 19:02.12 | vIkSiT | having just shifted from Fc to Deb.. a teething roblem.. |
| 19:02.21 | tarzeau | dan2_: why are they so narrow eyed brain dead? |
| 19:02.25 | brice_ | quit |
| 19:02.26 | valdyn | !scponly |
| 19:02.33 | vIkSiT | X starts up, but my monitor goes off in the deal |
| 19:02.41 | vIkSiT | i mean, no X error logs, nothing. |
| 19:02.52 | AquaVixen | can anyone help ? |
| 19:02.56 | encrypted | vIkSiT: misconfigured X for video more than likely |
| 19:03.05 | xoz | encrypted: dillo browser |
| 19:03.07 | vIkSiT | encrypted, hmm, and how would i fix that then? |
| 19:03.18 | vIkSiT | XF86Config-4 has nothingi i can gauge |
| 19:03.28 | tarzeau | what was the debian-legal irc channel again? |
| 19:03.41 | valdyn | vIkSiT: so your display probably does not support the mode your X is using |
| 19:03.49 | valdyn | !drxx vIkSiT |
| 19:03.50 | dpkg | vIkSiT: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
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| 19:03.56 | xoz | at last, tty will be cleaned up by Alan |
| 19:04.00 | StarFire | Hi all |
| 19:04.06 | valdyn | vIkSiT: ^^^ and dont enter values that your display does not support. |
| 19:04.14 | encrypted | viksit: what dpkg showed :D |
| 19:04.29 | vIkSiT | valdyn, oh, i haven't entered any values yet.. everything was default |
| 19:04.33 | encrypted | (thanks to valdyn for the quick dpkg...LOL) |
| 19:04.33 | vIkSiT | Thats it? |
| 19:04.40 | encrypted | VIkSiT: usually that's the case |
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| 19:04.50 | vIkSiT | oh hehe, i haven't tried it yet.. but i will in ten minutes |
| 19:04.55 | levander | Nathan75: I've got a desktop machine I use for development. I'm just going to backup to a dvd-rw. I'm thinking I'm just going to backup /home, some dirs in /var/lib, /etc, and dpkg --get-selections output. |
| 19:04.55 | vIkSiT | this is another machine heh |
| 19:05.04 | Nathan75 | mwilson ; try to type "firefox -safe-mode" in order to start. this will disable any extension |
| 19:05.17 | StarFire | ftp.de.debian.org is not updated. Does anyone know anything about that? |
| 19:05.19 | valdyn | vIkSiT: most modern displays report back what they support, so 'default' would work perfectly fine, maybe your's does not ( or not correctly ) |
| 19:05.20 | vIkSiT | another thing - i've got eth0 AND a wifi card on this aforementioned machine. for the card, a dpkg trick to do something? |
| 19:05.31 | AquaVixen | do i need to ask again ? |
| 19:05.31 | vIkSiT | valdyn, samsung 17", about a year old |
| 19:05.40 | liran | how can i just remove exim, apt-get remove exim suggest me to remove exim but install exim4 |
| 19:05.59 | valdyn | liran: dont 'remove', simply apt-get install <some other mta> |
| 19:06.02 | encrypted | AquaVixen: I missed your Q, what was it? |
| 19:06.02 | AquaVixen | liran: maybe... apt-get remove exim4 ? |
| 19:06.12 | levander | mwilson: if firefox won't start, look in your firefox profile directory for a file called lock. Delete it, then try starting firefox again. |
| 19:06.20 | StarFire | liran: There mus be another package that depends on exim or a mail server |
| 19:07.16 | valdyn | liran: 'apt-get install postfix' or whatever mta you want. |
| 19:07.16 | encrypted | I just have a null config for exim |
| 19:07.16 | AquaVixen | I'm hoping someone can point me to some type of login, or bash script that will disconnect someone immedetely after they login via ssh, that i can put in their home folders |
| 19:07.16 | valdyn | liran: and dont even try to go w/o an mta. |
| 19:07.16 | levander | Nathan75: have recommendations for how to back that stuff up to DVD-RW? |
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| 19:07.16 | AquaVixen | i want my users to login via ftp, but NOT ssh |
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| 19:07.17 | encrypted | AquaVixen: you can set SSH to only allow certain users...check google.com for that info |
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| 19:07.20 | AquaVixen | um |
| 19:07.24 | Mr-R | AquaVixen: point the login shell to /bin/false |
| 19:07.31 | AquaVixen | That'll do it ? |
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| 19:07.38 | xerophyte | russian way to stop spam http://mosnews.com/news/2005/07/25/spammerdead.shtml lol |
| 19:07.41 | AquaVixen | in the passwd/shadow file ? |
| 19:07.41 | StarFire | AquaVixen: Set the shell to /dev/null, or was it /bin/null? |
| 19:08.06 | StarFire | Ah yes, /bin/false |
| 19:08.09 | StarFire | AquaVixen: yes |
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| 19:08.12 | AquaVixen | Thanks |
| 19:08.13 | encrypted | yes |
| 19:08.14 | Mr-R | AquaVixen: the login shell just closes the link... |
| 19:08.14 | AquaVixen | i'll try that :) |
| 19:08.18 | Nathan75 | levander: then you don't have to use amanda or else, simply use udftools (apt-cache show udftools) |
| 19:08.22 | vIkSiT | lol @ xerophyte |
| 19:08.23 | vIkSiT | :) |
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| 19:08.30 | encrypted | time to dwell into the world of graphviz :D |
| 19:09.16 | StarFire | Has anyone an idea, why ftp.de.debian.org is not updated for some days now? (Debian unstable) |
| 19:09.16 | abrotman | StarFire: none have |
| 19:09.16 | mwilson | StarFire: You mean other than the announced fact that ftp-master is off-line while it looks for new hosting? |
| 19:09.18 | StarFire | abrotman: Do you know why? |
| 19:09.23 | abrotman | StarFire: see mwilson |
| 19:09.33 | abrotman | StarFire: and see /topic |
| 19:09.38 | StarFire | mwilson: thanks |
| 19:10.02 | StarFire | mwilson: Do you mean newraff & newsamose are the main ftp servers? ;-) |
| 19:10.04 | mwilson | After all, it was only on debian-users, and debian-devel, and in the topic here, and gods only know where else |
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| 19:11.06 | StarFire | mwilson: I am not on those two lists (but debian-curiosa, -laptop, -OOo) |
| 19:11.28 | MidgetARG | hey guys, I want to upgrade my python 2.3 to 2.4. I tried just installing the 2.4 packages via Synaptic and, while it did install 2.4, 2.3 is still there (and is what I get when I run `python'). how can I replace 2.3 wath 2.4? |
| 19:11.38 | quitte | is there some way to create $HOME on the first login? |
| 19:11.48 | nerdy2 | setting the login shell will not prevent them from ssh'ing into the box |
| 19:11.56 | mwilson | MidgetARG: You don't. |
| 19:12.01 | nerdy2 | they can just ssh -c /bin/bash, or whatever |
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| 19:12.21 | StarFire | Is there an -announces list? |
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| 19:12.33 | Nathan75 | quitte: what about a login script loaded in /etc/profile ? |
| 19:12.36 | MidgetARG | mwilson: so python can't be upgraded, I have to run both versions at the same time? |
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| 19:12.43 | s0n1 | hi |
| 19:12.49 | mwilson | MidgetARG: If you like. |
| 19:12.51 | s0n1 | in compile kernel this error.. |
| 19:13.00 | quitte | Nathan75: it would have to run as root, no? |
| 19:13.04 | s0n1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.04 | s0n1 | arch/i386/kernel/cpu/common.c: In function `cpu_init': |
| 19:13.04 | s0n1 | arch/i386/kernel/cpu/common.c:591: error: `per_cpu__cpu_gdt_table' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 19:13.09 | s0n1 | someone knows this? |
| 19:13.16 | mwilson | MidgetARG: Why do you think you need to replace the system Python version? |
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| 19:13.31 | s0n1 | is .config i runnig kernel 2.6.11 and copy for use 2.6.12 and this error |
| 19:13.42 | MidgetARG | mwilson: I'm developing a python app and need to use 2.4-specific functions. |
| 19:13.49 | encrypted | s0n1: FYI, before you get snapped at this like I did last night ( |
| 19:13.50 | MidgetARG | or features rather. |
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| 19:14.04 | mwilson | MidgetARG: And that has what to do with replacing the system python version? |
| 19:14.11 | encrypted | s0n1: you may want to go to http://channels.debian.com/paste for your pasting |
| 19:14.15 | abrotman | MidgetARG: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 19:14.36 | MidgetARG | abrotman: sarge I think (3.0) |
| 19:14.43 | abrotman | sarge is 3.1 .. you need to be sure |
| 19:14.45 | abrotman | woody is 3.0 |
| 19:14.55 | abrotman | MidgetARG: apt-cache search python 2.4 |
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| 19:14.58 | mwilson | How can you not know, and yet think you need to replace system services? |
| 19:15.02 | MidgetARG | mwilson: python myfile.py runs it with 2.3, I need it to run it with 2.4 |
| 19:15.13 | ColonelKernel | does sid use gnome 2.10? |
| 19:15.17 | AquaVixen | do i have to reboot my server to let it reload/rehash the passwd file ? |
| 19:15.17 | mwilson | abrotman: He's not complaining that it's not available, he's complaining that it's not the system version. |
| 19:15.22 | tony | what does : WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 19:15.22 | AquaVixen | or is that just parsed when they login ? |
| 19:15.25 | tony | mean? |
| 19:15.29 | abrotman | MidgetARG: ls -l `which python` |
| 19:15.38 | mwilson | tony: Probably what the message says, oddly enough. |
| 19:15.41 | abrotman | mwilson: so .. change it? :) |
| 19:15.51 | tony | mwilson, don't be a smartass |
| 19:15.56 | encrypted | AquaVixen: i don't think you'll need to reboot, the pwd file is referenced only on logins |
| 19:16.02 | tony | why would apt-get return that error for udev? |
| 19:16.02 | abrotman | mwilson: it can only destroy his whole system .. what's the problem ? |
| 19:16.04 | mwilson | tony: It's not my fault that you can't read. |
| 19:16.07 | sky0 | s0n1: might be a gcc version problem; you should probably ask in kernel channel. |
| 19:16.15 | AquaVixen | tony: the package didn't come with an md5 checksum from the author, therefore it can't be authenticated that it actually came from the author, or isn't broken |
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| 19:16.22 | Nacho27 | hy |
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| 19:16.33 | tony | AquaVixen , nice, thank you, very kind |
| 19:16.42 | AquaVixen | tony: if your using "unstable" from an offical mirror, your package will probly be fixed in a few days, try again later |
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| 19:17.01 | tony | AquaVixen, aaaah, you're right, i did change my sources.list last night |
| 19:17.04 | encrypted | anyone swithed lilo to grub? |
| 19:17.09 | levander | udftools is how you use the rewrite feature of DVD-RW's and CD-RW's? E.g., not just write once, but can write to the disk multiple times? |
| 19:17.14 | mwilson | encrypted: No, no one ever has. |
| 19:17.17 | mwilson | !poll |
| 19:17.18 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:17.28 | tony | encrypted, pay no attention to mwilson, he's a kook |
| 19:17.34 | AquaVixen | FRIENDLY TIP #1 FOR TODAY: apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 19:18.40 | mwilson | tony: Neither is it my fault if you can't ask the question you actually wanted an answer to. |
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| 19:18.40 | winex | hi |
| 19:18.40 | winex | somebody uses WineX-Cedega here ??? |
| 19:18.40 | abrotman | no |
| 19:18.45 | Nacho27 | hello? |
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| 19:18.51 | MidgetARG | abrotman: ok so I can change that symlink... but what about stuff like the dev headers and modules? how can I ensure the 2.3 versions aren't being used? |
| 19:18.53 | tony | mwilson, eventually you will learn that in order to get respect, you should give it |
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| 19:19.06 | Morti | Does Debian Sarge only have the source for kernel 2.6.8 in apt? |
| 19:19.08 | AquaVixen | winex: make sure your video driver's DRI module is loaded, then cedega will work with winex, no one here will help you get your video drivers working |
| 19:19.15 | mwilson | Morti: Of course. |
| 19:19.20 | abrotman | MidgetARG: unsure .. you'll have to try it and see .. you shuld know rather quickly |
| 19:19.26 | Morti | mwilson: Why's that? |
| 19:19.29 | Mr-R | Morti: there is the source of 2.4.27 too. ;) |
| 19:19.34 | mwilson | abrotman: He's quite determined to screw things up, isn't he? |
| 19:19.34 | Nacho27 | anybody readed my problem? |
| 19:19.38 | Morti | 2.4 doesn't count. ;) |
| 19:19.39 | abrotman | winex: try #cedgea |
| 19:19.41 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:19.42 | abrotman | winex: try #cedega |
| 19:19.48 | AquaVixen | Nacho27: what problem ? |
| 19:19.50 | abrotman | mwilson: not my problem when he does :) |
| 19:19.53 | mwilson | Morti: Sarge released with kernel 2.6.8... how could it possibly contain anything later? |
| 19:19.55 | Nacho27 | aqua |
| 19:19.57 | MidgetARG | abrotman: ok, thanks for your help. |
| 19:20.00 | Nacho27 | i have a problem installing debian with the minimal cd. When it starts it stopped in 84% searching for cd-rom |
| 19:20.01 | AquaVixen | repeat please ? |
| 19:20.13 | AquaVixen | sure your cd's clean ? |
| 19:20.15 | Morti | Mmm, s'pose. |
| 19:20.17 | Nacho27 | yes |
| 19:20.17 | winex | AquaVixen: My problem is with Diablo2... LAN game doesnt works |
| 19:20.20 | Nathan75 | quitte: Probably I think it's mostly like cdparanoia, this has to be confirmed anyway |
| 19:20.25 | mwilson | Morti: I suppose you think the CD's could be magically altered or something to retrofit new kernels? |
| 19:20.31 | Nacho27 | it is burned with nero |
| 19:20.34 | Morti | I'm used to having a mass of kernels because before Sarge went stable I used Sid all the time. |
| 19:20.35 | encrypted | Nacho27: I had that happen; in my case it was a bad burn on a cheap CD |
| 19:20.42 | liran | debian is so leet heh |
| 19:20.52 | abrotman | MidgetARG: as another possible option .. try #python .. MAKE SURE you tell them it's a debian/sarge system .. and see if anyone there knows how to do what you're asking |
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| 19:20.55 | liran | apt-get install sendmail is installing sendmail and removing exim automatically. heh |
| 19:20.59 | Nacho27 | so it is a burn problem then? |
| 19:21.02 | mwilson | Morti: So? |
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| 19:21.25 | Nacho27 | then, sorry, for me bad english |
| 19:21.25 | Morti | I suppose they could have earlier ones but that wouldn't really make much sense either. |
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| 19:21.53 | liran | excuse my enthusiasm, its kinda of first time with debian |
| 19:22.12 | shimano55 | Question, What is the name of the package that has the program where you can get the RBG and html# for any color? |
| 19:22.17 | Nacho27 | hello? |
| 19:22.22 | Spec[x] | shimano55: gimp |
| 19:22.31 | Morti | On that note, how would I go about switching my mouse buttons about so 2 becomes 1 and 1 becomes 2? |
| 19:22.33 | mwilson | shimano55: Which one? There's probably a couple dozen, at least. |
| 19:22.40 | Morti | Switching left and middle, like. |
| 19:22.46 | shimano55 | mvlison, a good one that u know of? |
| 19:22.53 | shimano55 | mvlison, I just need one |
| 19:22.54 | mwilson | shimano55: Not to mention something simple like just reading rgb.txt. |
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| 19:26.11 | AquaVixen | HEy guys |
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| 19:26.11 | AquaVixen | do i have to restart my server for it to reload/rehash the passswd file ? |
| 19:26.12 | AquaVixen | or is that just parsed on login ? |
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| 19:26.12 | quiet | logout/ log back in |
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| 19:26.12 | AquaVixen | k |
| 19:26.12 | AquaVixen | thanks |
| 19:26.12 | AquaVixen | your /bin/false worked |
| 19:26.12 | AquaVixen | yay :) |
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| 19:26.13 | encrypted | AquaVixen: excelsior :D |
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| 19:27.34 | jbmigel | any ideas why when i upgrade a totally fresh sarge install to 2.6.8-2 kernel I lose my /dev/hdc? I can no longer mount or fdisk or SEE my extra IDE drive? whereas with 2.4 kernel it was fine |
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| 19:29.19 | thohal | #join debian.de |
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| 19:29.49 | lindi- | jbmigel: parallel ata drive? |
| 19:29.58 | jbmigel | It's the darndest thing you see... cuz the /dev/hdc drive has the MBR for the system so it boots deb on /dev/sda then dissapears i guess |
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| 19:30.08 | jbmigel | lindi yes /dev/hdc is PATA |
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| 19:31.46 | supermonkey | hi guys |
| 19:31.57 | StarFire | hi supermonkey |
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| 19:32.12 | supermonkey | has anyone in UK managed to get xawtv or tvtime to work? |
| 19:32.24 | bauu | anyone can help me ? |
| 19:32.27 | lindi- | jbmigel: hard to say, can you see it in knoppix? |
| 19:32.32 | abrotman | !ask |
| 19:32.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 19:32.46 | mwilson | bauu: Not if you expect people to guess what you think you need help with. |
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| 19:33.07 | jbmigel | lindi yes... It works fine with knoppix... also it works fine with stock debian kernel... its only after i upgrade to 2.6.8-2 kernel that it disappears... |
| 19:33.09 | skovlic | Is pekwm in apt-get? |
| 19:33.15 | skovlic | I cannot find what it might be named.. |
| 19:33.15 | bauu | <mwilson> need help about linux - debian |
| 19:33.25 | supermonkey | hehe that narrows it down |
| 19:33.25 | mwilson | skovlic: In the time it took you to ask, you could have looked for yourself. |
| 19:33.27 | abrotman | bauu: don't be so vague |
| 19:33.35 | FieldySnuts | !irritate annoying nick completes |
| 19:33.36 | dpkg | annoying nick completes: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
| 19:33.47 | FieldySnuts | especially when they make it look like you are pasting what someone else said (they didn't) |
| 19:33.49 | skovlic | mwilson: i tried searching, could not find it |
| 19:33.56 | skovlic | mwilson: so my next logical step was to ask |
| 19:34.02 | bauu | <abrotman> hmmm |
| 19:34.11 | ugly | is there a way to redirect cdparanoia's progress information to a file? 'cdparanoia <flags> > file.log 2>&1' gives me "outputting to track01.cdda.wav" but not the information regarding whether there were skips, etc. (the smilies) |
| 19:34.28 | mwilson | Couldn't find it, then it must not be there, right? That IS what the official package source (with attached search engine) is for, right? |
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| 19:35.45 | skovlic | I do not think the "cannot find it so it doesn't exist" theory is a very good one to believe in. |
| 19:35.52 | supermonkey | has anyone managed to watch tv remotely across a network? |
| 19:35.52 | bauu | anyone know where i can download the linux DEBIAN ? |
| 19:35.56 | abrotman | !d-i bauu |
| 19:35.58 | dpkg | bauu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:36.11 | encrypted | skovlic: try going to apt-get.org; it's a list of unofficial repositories that may have what you need |
| 19:36.17 | simonrvn | @ff abrotman |
| 19:36.27 | simonrvn | eh |
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| 19:36.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: ok |
| 19:36.37 | skovlic | encrypted: thanks |
| 19:36.38 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 19:36.43 | mwilson | skovlic: Let's see... we go to packages.debian.org, we look in the official package list, there's no pekwm there, so of course what's ACTUALLY going on is that the black helicopters have HIDDEN all records of the package, and it's actually included in the distribution. |
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| 19:36.47 | FieldySnuts | not here |
| 19:36.49 | FieldySnuts | still not here |
| 19:36.50 | supermonkey | hi |
| 19:36.54 | mwilson | Do people ever listen to themselves? |
| 19:36.56 | simonrvn | duh |
| 19:36.57 | Frommhold | when will newraff & newsamosa be back? |
| 19:36.59 | abrotman | simonrvn: he's a quick one .. gotta get him while he's here :) |
| 19:36.59 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: only the wise ones |
| 19:37.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:37.07 | abrotman | Frommhold: when they're back .. no sooner |
| 19:37.15 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
| 19:37.37 | simonrvn | i had *just* sent a kill signal to it. doh! |
| 19:37.38 | abrotman | !lose ravenbird |
| 19:37.39 | dpkg | ravenbird: You Lose. |
| 19:37.42 | abrotman | doh |
| 19:37.45 | abrotman | not what i thought it would be |
| 19:37.48 | Frommhold | abrotman: when will the be back? |
| 19:37.50 | Frommhold | :D |
| 19:37.56 | abrotman | Frommhold: when they're back .. no sooner |
| 19:38.03 | Frommhold | i miss apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:38.19 | Frommhold | abrotman: hey first u make me addicted to dist-upgrade with unstable |
| 19:38.19 | StarFire | abrotman: I think they had some kind of migration plan... |
| 19:38.22 | simonrvn | well, now's your chance to go cold turkey |
| 19:38.23 | mwilson | Frommhold: Why do you use dist-upgrade? |
| 19:38.23 | Frommhold | and now u take it away |
| 19:38.24 | abrotman | Frommhold: i'm not an admin of debian systems .. maybe read some mailing lists to try and find an answer |
| 19:38.37 | abrotman | Frommhold: i did no such thing .. i'm not a sid advocate |
| 19:38.53 | Frommhold | nah i dont like outdated stuff |
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| 19:39.24 | simonrvn | ok, not to fetch the info i wanted |
| 19:39.24 | jetx | what's the upgrade newness? aka dist-upgrade? |
| 19:39.30 | simonrvn | s/not/now/ |
| 19:39.35 | supermonkey | wheres me tv channels :-/ |
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| 19:40.17 | supermonkey | is it possible to share device like tv/video card across a network? |
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| 19:40.37 | jetx | ah nm |
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| 19:41.37 | jbmigel | so has anyone seen this problem with a pata MBR drive dissapearing after it boots a sata drive with stock 2.6.8-2 kernel? |
| 19:42.03 | supermonkey | linuxtv |
| 19:42.32 | dfx | is something up with the http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free mirror? I'm getting a lot of package not found errors when doing an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:43.12 | abrotman | dfx: does the topic help ? |
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| 19:43.43 | Nathan75 | jbmigel: what about loading modules ? |
| 19:43.48 | dfx | abrotman: no |
| 19:43.52 | skie | xterm and gnome terminal can use any font I've installed so far, and other gtk apps can see them. however, neither rxvt nor eterm will recognize any of them, and will always default back to 'fixed' |
| 19:44.05 | Shadowcat | heh abrotman |
| 19:44.07 | skie | any ideas in directions to look? |
| 19:44.14 | abrotman | !tell dieguito about away |
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| 19:44.40 | abrotman | dfx: look .. harder |
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| 19:45.11 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html |
| 19:45.12 | mwilson | dfx: You have to actually READ it. |
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| 19:45.29 | dfx | abrotman: I'm looking at the faq-wiki.... am I missing something from the topic that would explain why I'm getting a lot of packages not found? |
| 19:45.42 | reddi | hi - i only installed a new debian and i only have 16 colors and everything is very slow - where can i change graphics / mon configuration? |
| 19:45.46 | dfx | abrotman: and I read the topic before I asked the question :) |
| 19:45.51 | abrotman | dfx: newraff and newsamosa are gone |
| 19:45.54 | sepski | reddi, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 19:46.03 | abrotman | dfx: it's possible you're resolving to one of those |
| 19:46.07 | dfx | abrotman: what exactly are those? |
| 19:46.10 | StarFire | dfx: These are the main servers I was told... |
| 19:46.14 | dfx | abrotman: hostnames? |
| 19:46.17 | mwilson | abrotman: You have to understand he's the typical unstable user, and therefore clueless. |
| 19:46.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:46.20 | jbmigel | Nathan75: I dont change anything from 3.1R0a install... other than upgrade kernel image and headers, are there extra modules i need to add now to see a pata drive? |
| 19:46.25 | abrotman | mwilson: i'm trying to be patient :) |
| 19:46.59 | abrotman | dfx: to test .. see which IP you're resolving to when you apt-get update .. then check the IPs of newraff and newsamosa |
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| 19:47.22 | dfx | abrotman: I'm assuming that would be newraff and newsamosa .debian.org ? |
| 19:47.44 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:48.28 | nkantado | hola, necesito conocer las frecuencias de refresco vertical y horizontal de un compaq mv500 |
| 19:48.35 | mwilson | abrotman: I'm wondering why James bothered to announce it at all, since it seems like zero people paid attention. |
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| 19:48.39 | dfx | abrotman: no, I'm not using either of those ... ftp.us.debian.org resolves to mirrors2.kernel.org |
| 19:49.00 | nkantado | somebody knows de refresh frequency for monitor compaq mv500? |
| 19:49.07 | abrotman | mwilson: i paid attention .. i even contemplated trying to host one here .. you know ..cause i have like .. TONS of spare bandwidth :) |
| 19:49.09 | dfx | mwilson: I apologize for not knowing those were hostnames for package repositories |
| 19:49.15 | mwilson | dfx: If ftp-master is not available, exactly what do you think other mirrors are going to be updating from? |
| 19:49.20 | abrotman | dfx: IPs .. not hostnames |
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| 19:50.05 | abrotman | dfx: and yes .. additionally .. mwilson is right .. ftp-master has been offline since friday .. so no updates since then .. and if you suspect your mirror is out of whack .. use apt-setup .. pick another |
| 19:50.37 | encrypted | i've been having issues with ftp as well; same reason |
| 19:50.41 | ma3x | how can i view the reserved-blocks-percentage of a device? |
| 19:50.51 | dfx | abrotman: thanks for your help ... sorry to be so "clueless" |
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| 19:51.08 | abrotman | dfx: i was just trying to help .. but try apt-setup .. see if another mirror has the same issue |
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| 19:51.13 | Nathan75 | jbmigel : /usr/lib/2.6.8-2/kernel/drivers/ <- there should be an answer here. Else try and build your own kernel, I never faced any pata problem. |
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| 19:51.28 | dfx | abrotman: I'm doing that now |
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| 19:51.40 | abrotman | dfx: if you're running sid .. and you have spare time .. you may want to subscribe to debian-devel-announce .. it usually tells people when bad stuff like this is gonna happen |
| 19:52.10 | mwilson | abrotman: Now come on... why would an unstable user ever want to know what was going on? They might be able to prepare for it, that way. |
| 19:52.24 | abrotman | it was just a suggestion :) |
| 19:52.42 | abrotman | though .. oddly .. i bet a lot more people would read d-d-a if it were available via RSS |
| 19:53.20 | mwilson | I wouldn't. RSS is one of the more stupid things to come out in the last few years. I've fiddled with it multiple times and can't figure out what the attraction is. |
| 19:53.26 | jbmigel | ok Nathan75 ill look into it more, I really think it has something to do with GRUB messing up since the MBR is on a different drive than the debian system but i cant get my mobo to boot off sata when a pata is plugged in :( |
| 19:53.37 | abrotman | mwilson: i didn't say it was a good thing .. just that more people would read it |
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| 19:54.19 | greycat | I'd rephrase that as "if you're running sid, you'd better subscribe to debian-devel-announce, or we're going to point at you and laugh" |
| 19:54.24 | Loren | what's the command to login as admin to your channel? i just finished regging one and can't figure out how to log in? it's something like /cs admin #channel right? |
| 19:54.39 | abrotman | no |
| 19:54.58 | abrotman | aren't there freenode docs for that .. and #freenode |
| 19:55.09 | Loren | thansk |
| 19:55.25 | dfx | abrotman: yeah, I'm running sid ... looks like I should subscribe so I won't seem like a retard next time :) |
| 19:55.25 | sepski | dfx: just to unconfuse you a bit... what abrotman means is newsamosa = 208.185.25.35, ftp.us.debian.org = one of [208.185.25.35 216.37.55.114 35.9.37.225 128.101.80.133 204.152.191.7 204.152.191.39] so you are on evey 6'th name resolution trying to reach a nonexsistant server. |
| 19:55.25 | nkantado | somebody knows de refresh frequency for monitor compaq mv500? |
| 19:55.26 | Nathan75 | ma3x : try man tune2fs |
| 19:55.27 | dfx | sepski: I didn't realize that it was just a round robin DNS name ... thanks for the clarification |
| 19:55.27 | sepski | nkantado, the only place i can think of that would know that is www.compaq.com... what you should do is to select simple instead of advanced when you get the choide of how you want to configure your monitor |
| 19:55.27 | ronino | i resized an ext3 file system with resize2fs, do i have to resize the partition, too, or is this the same, resizing a partition/file system, i'm not sure, cause the machine doesn't boot, i resized the root parrtition |
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| 19:55.28 | epictetus | ronino: they are very different |
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| 19:55.28 | Nathan75 | ronino : any backups ??? |
| 19:55.28 | ice_1963 | i need hellp |
| 19:55.28 | epictetus | the filesystem sits on top of the partition |
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| 19:55.28 | sepski | Ronin, if you grow you must first grow the partition , then the filesystem, if you shrink you must first shrink fs, then shrink partition |
| 19:55.28 | nkantado | sepski, I was looking in that place and i didn´t find any information about it |
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| 19:55.45 | ronino | sepski: i shrinked, how to resize the partition? |
| 19:55.58 | sepski | Ronin, parted i imagine |
| 19:55.59 | abrotman | dfx: and you of course subscribe to the -security list right? :) |
| 19:56.00 | Nathan75 | jbmigel: any bios booting order ? |
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| 19:56.23 | Glanzmann | What replaces raidtools again? |
| 19:56.25 | mwilson | greycat: I really wish that it worked the same way oBSD does regarding GENERIC. |
| 19:56.28 | sepski | Glanzmann, mdadm |
| 19:56.29 | ronino | Nathan75: yes, i got a backup, but the partition is still mountable in a different system |
| 19:56.36 | abrotman | dfx: the d-d-a list is actually pretty low traffic .. |
| 19:56.36 | mwilson | Glanzmann: Nothing does. mdadm is a poor substitute. |
| 19:56.40 | ice_1963 | were can i get a driver for my HP photosmart printer PL ?????? |
| 19:56.51 | abrotman | !phillysmite jethro |
| 19:56.55 | dfx | abrotman: I just subscribed to debian-develop-announce and am looking at the other ones too ... thanks for letting me know about those |
| 19:56.57 | Glanzmann | Thanks. |
| 19:56.59 | sepski | ronino, when you boot do you get to grub or not ? |
| 19:57.08 | abrotman | dfx: a whole big list at http://lists.debian.org |
| 19:57.21 | Nathan75 | ronino: is /etc/fstab ok ? |
| 19:57.21 | abrotman | dfx: though .. be warned .. some are very high traffic |
| 19:57.21 | dfx | abrotman: that's where I am |
| 19:57.31 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 19:57.31 | ronino | sepski: i don't know, i'm on a remote server |
| 19:57.52 | jbmigel | Nathan75 it is some retarded ASUS board and it only lets me select a pata if there is one plugged in... if i unplug it then i can boot from sata... its stupid i hope one day a bios update fixes it |
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| 19:58.42 | Glanzmann | That was easy. |
| 19:58.43 | Glanzmann | (mephisto) [~] mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hd[ab]1 |
| 19:58.44 | Glanzmann | thanls. |
| 19:58.47 | Nathan75 | jbmigel: did you try to tell it at boot time something like root="drive to boot" |
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| 19:59.21 | Salih_ | we have debian sarge gateway |
| 19:59.21 | Salih_ | we can not play online Age of empires |
| 19:59.21 | Salih_ | how can i fix this problem with iptables ? |
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| 19:59.40 | Ronin | you open whatever ports the game requires |
| 19:59.41 | abrotman | #iptables |
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| 20:00.05 | Salih_ | how ? |
| 20:00.14 | Ronin | you join #iptables actually |
| 20:00.16 | Salih_ | please help |
| 20:00.21 | reddi | what is the best method to control a debian linux from windows: vnc? |
| 20:00.24 | deepan | xoz: what is ICONIP.. |
| 20:00.24 | Salih_ | ok |
| 20:00.28 | encrypted | reddi: SSH |
| 20:00.30 | encrypted | :D |
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| 20:00.52 | FieldySnuts | ssh |
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| 20:01.04 | FieldySnuts | putty is a nice free open source ssh/telnet client for windowx |
| 20:01.05 | FieldySnuts | s |
| 20:01.09 | sky0 | abrotman: do you think the iptables chan will appreciate that question? I have my doubts;-) |
| 20:01.11 | Nathan75 | Salih_: try iptables -A -s <your_source> [-sport <port>] -d <the_destination> <port> -j ALLOW |
| 20:01.28 | Salih_ | thanx |
| 20:01.34 | ronino | Nathan75, epictetus: this is what i did: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FWnqCp16.html |
| 20:01.45 | abrotman | sky0: they support iptables .. don't they? |
| 20:02.04 | abrotman | sky0: is it not an iptables question ? |
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| 20:02.20 | dfx | abrotman, mwilson: thanks for your help ... none of the mirrors I've picked are working so I'll just wait until tomorrow ... thanks again! |
| 20:02.25 | abrotman | sky0: please correct me if i'm wrong |
| 20:02.35 | abrotman | dfx: try again tomorrow .. have a nice .. come again |
| 20:02.40 | abrotman | err have a nice day |
| 20:02.54 | dfx | abrotman: yup, later |
| 20:03.01 | dfx | abrotman: you too |
| 20:03.05 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:03.07 | abrotman | sky0: ? |
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| 20:03.25 | sky0 | abrotman: sure; like the "how do I compile my kernel own kernel q." is answered here. |
| 20:03.49 | abrotman | sky0: which we send to #kernel ... |
| 20:03.54 | abrotman | or tell them to use make-kpkg |
| 20:04.03 | sky0 | abrotman: you are truly a genius! |
| 20:04.09 | abrotman | sky0: it's a #iptables question .. |
| 20:04.56 | abrotman | i'm rather confused what sky0's problem is |
| 20:04.57 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 20:06.29 | Nathan75 | ronino: hum, inode removal ?? where there any concurrent partitions ? |
| 20:06.41 | phanter | how can I install ttf font in ubuntu> |
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| 20:06.51 | pippijn | hi all |
| 20:06.52 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 20:06.53 | shingouz | phanter: ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:07.04 | pippijn | does anyone know how to set up an NTP server? |
| 20:07.07 | phanter | sorry wrong forum... |
| 20:07.12 | abrotman | pippijn: apt-get install ntpd ? |
| 20:07.18 | simonrvn | forum? |
| 20:07.19 | ronino | Nathan75: i used that howto to convert from ext3 to ext2 to use resize2fs: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm#_three2two |
| 20:07.21 | pippijn | abrotman: and then? |
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| 20:07.29 | FieldySnuts | badgers? |
| 20:07.31 | pippijn | I can't sync from other computers |
| 20:07.32 | encrypted | pippjin: apt-get install ntpd and then read the info/man for configuring the ntp.conf file |
| 20:07.35 | abrotman | pippijn: sorry .. ntp |
| 20:07.37 | Whisky_ | lol @ ubunu && forum |
| 20:07.38 | abrotman | pippijn: firewall ? |
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| 20:07.39 | Nathan75 | ronino : did you use fdisk afterwards ? |
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| 20:07.40 | ronino | Nathan75: there is only a swap partition and the root partition |
| 20:07.42 | pippijn | abrotman: none |
| 20:07.45 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 20:07.49 | ronino | Nathan75: nope, not yet, just fiddling with it |
| 20:07.59 | abrotman | pippijn: last try .. package is ntp-server :) |
| 20:08.05 | pippijn | yeah |
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| 20:08.09 | pippijn | I have that installed |
| 20:08.10 | abrotman | pippijn: no firewall at all ? |
| 20:08.14 | pippijn | ntp-server and ntp-simple |
| 20:08.18 | abrotman | pippijn: ntp requires tcp and udp iirc |
| 20:08.20 | Nathan75 | ronino: You have to, cause the filesystem has to reflect the size of the partition. |
| 20:08.21 | ronino | Nathan75: that tutorial didn't say anything about fdisk for that step |
| 20:08.22 | pippijn | abrotman: not in my local net |
| 20:08.34 | deepan | can some one tell me .. what these line exactly mean... "tunnel_new_client ("203.212.229.87", 80, "(null)", 8080, 102400) Â Â Â Â tunnel_connect()" .. these are part of debugging outu |
| 20:08.36 | abrotman | pippijn: can you telnet to the port on the server ? |
| 20:08.37 | Nathan75 | ronino: read "man resize2fs" |
| 20:08.44 | pippijn | let me try |
| 20:08.45 | ronino | Nathan75: i'm about to |
| 20:09.02 | pippijn | nope |
| 20:09.17 | abrotman | pippijn: then either it's not running .. or you've a firewall :) |
| 20:09.26 | pippijn | well |
| 20:09.28 | Whisky_ | Whats better/convenient....a debian system as the hub or a WinXP one for sharing DSL via a router ? |
| 20:09.32 | pippijn | it is running... |
| 20:09.33 | abrotman | pippijn: netstat -an .. on the server .. |
| 20:09.35 | pippijn | ok |
| 20:09.42 | ronino | Nathan75: do you have a hint on how to find out the correct size of the partition? |
| 20:09.53 | abrotman | pippijn: you tried port 123 right ? |
| 20:09.56 | simonrvn | Whisky_: the linux box is easier, and safer |
| 20:10.00 | pippijn | abrotman: yes |
| 20:10.03 | pippijn | it's not listening |
| 20:10.04 | simonrvn | easier to make safe anyway |
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| 20:10.06 | shingouz | Whisky_: what do you think people will answer you if you ask such things on a channel called #debian? |
| 20:10.12 | deepan | can some one tell me .. what these line exactly mean... "tunnel_new_client ("203.212.229.87", 80, "(null)", 8080, 102400) Â Â Â Â tunnel_connect()" .. these are part of debugging output by HTC ( http tunneling client) .. the traffic does not reach the other end (203.212.229.87) because tcpdump does not dump any traffic at port 80.. please look http://pastebin.com/320496 for the full debugging output |
| 20:10.25 | abrotman | pippijn: you may have to configure it a bit |
| 20:10.30 | Whisky_ | shingouz, Linux isnt famous for being convenient =) |
| 20:10.34 | pippijn | hm |
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| 20:10.47 | pippijn | abrotman: I configured it as described in he example ntp.conf |
| 20:10.53 | Whisky_ | simonrvn, thanls |
| 20:10.56 | Whisky_ | thanks* |
| 20:11.04 | abrotman | pippijn: but it's not listening at all ? netstat -an | grep 123 shows zip? |
| 20:11.10 | Nathan75 | ronino: fdisk will show the actual values in block, cylinder (and heads ?) I guess. |
| 20:11.20 | abrotman | pippijn: mine are all listening on udp |
| 20:11.25 | pippijn | abrotman: it's there but not State LISTEN |
| 20:11.41 | abrotman | its udp ? |
| 20:11.45 | shingouz | Whisky_: and XP is really a smiley, any windows users face will look like it after a short while |
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| 20:12.11 | abrotman | pippijn: none of your udp services show as LISTENING |
| 20:12.14 | abrotman | errr LISTEN |
| 20:12.31 | Whisky_ | shingouz, lol |
| 20:12.35 | pippijn | I see |
| 20:12.36 | sky0 | deepan: the "(null") might indicate that one ip address is not defined? |
| 20:12.42 | pippijn | udp 0 0 172.16.200.1:123 0.0.0.0:* |
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| 20:12.48 | abrotman | pippijn: the only line ? |
| 20:12.52 | pippijn | no |
| 20:12.57 | pippijn | udp 0 0 192.168.27.1:123 0.0.0.0:* |
| 20:12.59 | abrotman | but more like that i assume |
| 20:13.01 | pippijn | udp 0 0 192.168.0.131:123 0.0.0.0:* |
| 20:13.07 | pippijn | udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:123 0.0.0.0:* |
| 20:13.13 | pippijn | and finally |
| 20:13.14 | pippijn | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:123 0.0.0.0:* |
| 20:13.18 | abrotman | i didn't want to see them all :) |
| 20:13.19 | pippijn | it is on all IPs |
| 20:13.19 | abrotman | i just asked |
| 20:13.37 | pippijn | as you see in the last one it is on all IPs of my server |
| 20:13.38 | abrotman | pippijn: what are you using for a client ? |
| 20:13.44 | pippijn | abrotman: ntpdate |
| 20:14.20 | abrotman | pippijn: ntpdate serverip ? |
| 20:14.25 | abrotman | and what is the error ? |
| 20:14.47 | Q-FUNK | howdy! d-i tells me "The CD-ROM contains a non-Debian CD. Please insert a Debian CD to continue with the installation." what does it use to detect whether the CD indeed is a proper Debian installation media? if it's related to a mkisofs option, which one was it and where can I read about the format of string d-i expects to find? |
| 20:14.54 | pippijn | abrotman: no server suitable |
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| 20:15.08 | ronino | Nathan75: fdisk and parted list a partition size of 159 GB, though the filesystem is only 5 Gigs |
| 20:15.14 | abrotman | pippijn: have you considered your time is so far off .. it won't sync(i believe the man page tells you that) |
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| 20:15.36 | abrotman | pippijn: as an alternative .. ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 20:15.55 | Nathan75 | ronino: weird... what is the size of the disk ? |
| 20:15.55 | abrotman | just to try it |
| 20:15.56 | keir | can somebody tell me why i can no longer accsess virtual termianls (ctrl + alt + F1-6) after upgrading to X.org? |
| 20:16.12 | ronino | Nathan75: 160 gigs, 159 root, 1 swap |
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| 20:16.29 | makki_mmx | keir: No problem with this here... |
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| 20:16.48 | keir | makki_mmx, it possibly started before the upgrade... not sure |
| 20:16.56 | quiet | what's the command to unload a module? (specifically usb-storage) |
| 20:16.57 | pippijn | abrotman: I can't do that |
| 20:17.00 | keir | i cant change the resolution with the usual key shortcuts |
| 20:17.01 | pippijn | but wait |
| 20:17.13 | pippijn | hm no |
| 20:17.17 | pippijn | it still doesn't work |
| 20:17.22 | dddss | what prog i can install to upgrade automatically my time? |
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| 20:17.40 | abrotman | pippijn: can't use pool.ntp.org ? |
| 20:17.55 | pippijn | abrotman: the client I am talking about has no outside access at all |
| 20:18.00 | abrotman | pippijn: check the date on the server .. and the date on your workstation |
| 20:18.05 | abrotman | s/workstation/client |
| 20:18.12 | abrotman | err s/date/time |
| 20:18.19 | pippijn | off by 2 seconds or so |
| 20:18.23 | pippijn | if I see it well |
| 20:18.25 | abrotman | that's HORRIBLE! |
| 20:18.48 | abrotman | uhm ... |
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| 20:19.02 | pippijn | abrotman: ntpq -p shows: |
| 20:19.05 | pippijn | No association ID's returned |
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| 20:20.29 | abrotman | pippijn: moment |
| 20:20.29 | Nathan75 | ronino: you had /dev/hda10 ? If it was extended then it should have been /dev/hda5. Why did you resize hda2 if you worked on hda10 ? |
| 20:20.29 | greycat | a machine without a man is like a fish without.... |
| 20:20.36 | abrotman | greycat: it was a woody->sarge upgrade .. same box that also failed to upgrade bind .. and it's a dns server :) |
| 20:20.46 | ronino | Nathan75: no, i didn't use hda10 or 5, hda1 is swap for me, and hda2 is root |
| 20:20.48 | abrotman | well .. not failed to upgrade .. removed and didn't upgrade :) |
| 20:21.18 | abrotman | pippijn: ntpdate -B ? |
| 20:21.25 | pippijn | I'll try |
| 20:21.33 | abrotman | also try -d |
| 20:21.42 | abrotman | pippijn: did you setup keys at all ? |
| 20:21.46 | Draconicus | The firefox source configure script is complaining that I need libIDL 0.6.3 or higher, but I have 0.8.5. Do I need an older version? |
| 20:22.01 | abrotman | or -v |
| 20:22.17 | ronino | Nathan75: ah yes, i had the wrong command on the page i linked, but it did the correct command on my server |
| 20:22.23 | abrotman | Draconicus: -dev |
| 20:22.26 | pippijn | abrotman: no |
| 20:22.33 | abrotman | didnt' work ? |
| 20:22.35 | pippijn | abrotman: how is that done? |
| 20:22.37 | pippijn | no |
| 20:22.39 | pippijn | neither worked |
| 20:22.43 | abrotman | pippijn: no .. i'm just asking .. |
| 20:22.47 | abrotman | if you didn't .. shouldn't be a problem |
| 20:22.50 | pippijn | ok |
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| 20:23.09 | pippijn | nothing happens |
| 20:23.15 | Nathan75 | ronino: Ok then, you have to delete /dev/hda2 then recreate it 5Gb and then it should work, DON'T FORMAT ! |
| 20:23.18 | pippijn | -d doesn't show much more |
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| 20:23.34 | pippijn | abrotman: can I send you my ntp.conf? it's 4 lines |
| 20:23.38 | pippijn | you can look if something misses |
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| 20:23.57 | abrotman | pippijn: you can use a paste site or #flood .. just let me know if you're going to #flood |
| 20:24.00 | Dubian | where can i download mod files? To use with soundtracker |
| 20:24.07 | pippijn | abrotman: I will go to #flood |
| 20:24.12 | encrypted | pippijn: http://channels.debian.com/paste for the paste stuff, btw |
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| 20:24.27 | pippijn | encrypted: okay thx |
| 20:24.42 | ronino | Nathan75: okay, i'll try that, thx |
| 20:24.57 | Whisky_ | Debian is pronounced as; "deb.....ya.....n", right? |
| 20:25.00 | Nathan75 | No problem. Hope I helped. |
| 20:25.15 | Nathan75 | ronino :No problem. Hope I helped. |
| 20:25.25 | Dubian | no It'S a play on words with Dub (the music) and Debian |
| 20:25.47 | Dubian | lol |
| 20:25.54 | greycat | DEB-ee-un |
| 20:27.13 | Whisky_ | and Linux? :S |
| 20:27.20 | Doobian | aww, someone already claimed it' |
| 20:27.25 | Ronin | however you want to say it Whisky_ |
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| 20:28.13 | Whisky_ | Lie-Nix :\ |
| 20:28.27 | Whisky_ | or Lin-iks ? or Lin-uks ? |
| 20:28.41 | Ronin | does it really matter? |
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| 20:28.51 | Whisky_ | Ronin, yup =p |
| 20:29.08 | Ronin | then you definaly need a hobby |
| 20:29.09 | viqas | hm i have a problem connecting to my debian server from my apple ibook :| |
| 20:29.18 | viqas | the iptables rules are all set to accept |
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| 20:30.13 | Salih_ | hi |
| 20:30.14 | Salih_ | we have debian sarge gateway |
| 20:30.14 | Salih_ | we can not play online Age of empires |
| 20:30.14 | Salih_ | how can i fix this problem with iptables ? |
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| 20:30.34 | Salih_ | we have debian sarge gateway |
| 20:30.34 | Salih_ | we can not play online Age of empires |
| 20:30.34 | Salih_ | how can i fix this problem with iptables ? |
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| 20:30.36 | Ronin | trien in #iptables Salih_ |
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| 20:30.47 | greycat | and don't stick so many newlines in your questions |
| 20:31.17 | Anders | ....and don't repeat |
| 20:31.33 | Salih_ | sorry |
| 20:31.35 | Ronin | and didnt' we just go through this already Salih |
| 20:31.38 | streuner_ | question, add..., add..., would work too ;-) |
| 20:31.57 | Draconicus | abrotman: Sorry about the delay. I have the -dev package, too. |
| 20:32.05 | abrotman | Draconicus: that was my idea |
| 20:32.17 | Draconicus | 'kay. |
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| 20:34.32 | finn | hm |
| 20:34.46 | greycat | harleyg (~harleyg@82-44-218-103.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) is asking to be unbanned. Anyone know whether I should or shouldn't? |
| 20:36.08 | fhffhqvb | greycat: debian.log.20050707:[18:36] <HarleyG> guys you know the bombing around london <HarleyG> gnaa admits it was them <HarleyG> http://news.****.**/?u=smeera HarleyG kicked from #debian by greycat: greycat |
| 20:36.26 | streuner_ | hahaha |
| 20:36.27 | greycat | ah. him. |
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| 20:36.54 | greycat | well, he's asking pretty nicely... |
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| 20:37.16 | Rydekull | greycat: will you get anything out of it? :P |
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| 20:38.39 | ryan` | How do i create a catch-all address for a domain in exim4? |
| 20:38.43 | streuner_ | !wb harleyg |
| 20:38.44 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! harleyg has returned! |
| 20:38.54 | harleyg | hi |
| 20:38.59 | greycat | you probably don't want a catch-all. it'll get all the spam for <randomstring>@yourdomain |
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| 20:40.46 | ryan` | greycat, I know about that, I want to do it anyway. |
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| 20:41.51 | streuner_ | !greycat++ |
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| 20:42.18 | wiseguy_ | hellow people |
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| 20:42.32 | Draconicus | Any idea as to why the firefox compiler's configure script is complaining that libIDL 0.6.3 or higher does not exist when 0.8.5 (and the dev stuff) does? |
| 20:42.46 | wiseguy_ | anyone using cyrus+pam_mysql? |
| 20:42.56 | greycat | read config.log if it exists, or ask #firefox or #mozilla, probably on irc.mozilla.org |
| 20:43.14 | viqas | Draconicus: why not use the debian packages? |
| 20:43.31 | Draconicus | viqas: Because the firefox debian packages are utter shit. :) |
| 20:43.40 | viqas | i see |
| 20:43.49 | viqas | glad idont use debian as a desktop anymore |
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| 20:44.03 | Draconicus | :P |
| 20:44.36 | mwilson | Actually, crapfox is utter sh*t, but don't let that stop you. |
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| 20:45.15 | greycat | !frankenbuild |
| 20:45.15 | dpkg | i heard frankenbuild is a loose collection of miscellaneous random components, pasted together into a lurching, shambling behemoth that somehow staggers on, if you're lucky. The term applies to both software and hardware. See also <mozilla>. |
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| 20:47.07 | greycat | !factinfo firefox |
| 20:47.08 | dpkg | firefox -- last modified at Fri Apr 1 04:12:43 2005 by chealer!chealer@chealer.student.supporter.pdpc; it has been requested 37 times, last by greycat, 33s ago. |
| 20:47.28 | greycat | !factinfo mozilla-firefox |
| 20:47.28 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox -- last modified at Fri Apr 1 04:12:27 2005 by chealer!chealer@chealer.student.supporter.pdpc; it has been requested 43 times, last by greycat, 54s ago. |
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| 20:49.01 | naoliv | Hi! I am having some doubts about a license (http://biolinux.df.ibilce.unesp.br/naoliv/COPYRIGHT). It says that it's GNU GPL, but says that if someone is going to use the program commercially, he/she must enter in contact to get a permission. Could someone take a look at this license and says to me if the program can go on main? Thank you. |
| 20:49.03 | wiseguy_ | anyone using cyrus with saslauthd ant pam_mysql? |
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| 20:49.47 | Fatal | anything specific going on, it seems there hasn't been any updates to packages for a few days? |
| 20:50.13 | guk | naoliv: as long as your changes are opensource ... I wouldn't see an issue ... maybe a contract to make it closed source ? |
| 20:50.14 | pablum | naoliv: as far as I know, you can't restrict a GPL software to non-commercial: it's no longer GPL if you do. |
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| 20:50.39 | mwilson | naoliv: Did you actually READ the license before asking your question? |
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| 20:50.57 | naoliv | mwilson: Yes, I read. Sorry if I didn't understand it correctly. |
| 20:50.59 | valdyn | naoliv: its gpl as explicitely written, its explicitely available under different license(s) too. |
| 20:51.15 | dacat | i want to download source. i am not root. the admin does not havea deb-src in the sources.list file. i created my own sources.list file and im using apt-get -o dir:etc:sourcelist=~/sources.list source apname and it still comes back with 'put some sourc uris in your sources.list'. any ideas |
| 20:51.26 | valdyn | naoliv: the 2nd is irrelevant for being able to get into debian main. |
| 20:51.37 | lindi- | naoliv: but there is ".. unless your source code is made freely available" |
| 20:51.47 | mwilson | naoliv: The product is GPL. If you want to use it in a non-GPL manner, you may contact the copyright holder, who will negotiate with you for licensing not under the GPL. Seems pretty straightforward. |
| 20:51.51 | lindi- | naoliv: so you can use it commercially if the source code is available :) |
| 20:52.21 | mwilson | naoliv: Since he or they are the copyright holder, they may license and re-license it under whatever terms they like, however many times they like. |
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| 20:52.52 | mwilson | naoliv: The "commercial vs non-commercial" is irrelevant. |
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| 20:53.30 | naoliv | Hummm.. so it's OK to go to main, right? |
| 20:53.40 | mwilson | <sigh> Does it meet the DFSG? |
| 20:54.12 | naoliv | I think that yes. |
| 20:54.22 | mwilson | Whether it's GPL or not is irrelevant. Whether it meets the DFSG is what's relevant. |
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| 20:54.54 | naoliv | OK. Thank you all for helping me. |
| 20:55.23 | mwilson | I have problems with para 3, but that doesn't preclude it meeting the DFSG. |
| 20:56.14 | abrotman | naoliv: it's dual licensed .. but that shoulndn't keep it out .. it's the user's responsibility to pay if they need to .. email debian-legal .. ask them |
| 20:56.41 | abrotman | and what moron called it squid |
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| 20:57.04 | abrotman | naoliv: first thing .. email them and ask them to change the name of the package |
| 20:57.08 | mwilson | Someone who isn't a network engineer and doesn't know there's already a proxy by that name. |
| 20:57.18 | abrotman | or a moron :) |
| 20:57.33 | naoliv | I talked with upstream and he said the name can be changed to biosquid. |
| 20:58.14 | abrotman | naoliv: much better ... |
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| 20:58.26 | naoliv | He said that he started working on his "squid" before the squid that everybody knows. Also said that everybody that distributes his squid, change the name to biosquid to avoid problems. |
| 20:58.36 | abrotman | i seriously doubt that ... |
| 20:58.47 | abrotman | squid has been around .. 5+ years |
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| 20:58.58 | abrotman | though .. his copyright does say 1992 :) |
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| 20:59.04 | naoliv | Well, I don't know too, but that was what him said. |
| 21:00.15 | abrotman | naoliv: email debian-legal .. find out |
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| 21:00.28 | naoliv | abrotman: OK. Thank you! |
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| 21:02.05 | zarathustra | hi everybody, do you know where to find an article or tutorial where it explains how to use the soundcard using only ioctl() and linux/soundcard.h ??? |
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| 21:03.37 | valdyn | zarathustra: why would someone do this when oss is being obsoleted? |
| 21:03.40 | encrypted | zarathustra: tried groups.google.com? |
| 21:04.02 | Boucman | hello all |
| 21:04.15 | zarathustra | encrypted, not yet : ) |
| 21:04.41 | Boucman | I'm trying to upgrade from 2.6.11 to 2.6.12 but my input (kbd and mouse) don't work anymore.... |
| 21:04.47 | Boucman | modules are loaded properly |
| 21:04.52 | Boucman | is this a known issue ? |
| 21:05.00 | outlaw84 | I am having some problems with my cdrom, once I mount it. I cant umount it... the kernel just keeps saying the device is busy |
| 21:05.15 | citral | outlaw84: go out of /media/cdrom/ |
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| 21:05.29 | Boucman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.33 | encrypted | outlaw84: or kill any process that's currently using cdrom |
| 21:05.37 | encrypted | (/cdrom) |
| 21:05.38 | Boucman | (could be a udev problem, I don't know) |
| 21:05.45 | mwilson | So don't use udev. |
| 21:05.57 | Boucman | outlaw84: usually the shell you're using is still in the cdrom |
| 21:06.04 | Boucman | mwilson: I'll try that... |
| 21:06.15 | valdyn | Boucman: modprobe evdev |
| 21:06.31 | Boucman | Valdyn I'll try that too |
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| 21:06.37 | Boucman | (after my next reboot ;) |
| 21:06.43 | valdyn | Boucman: now if you are using a custom kernel, then that would be your problem, possibly |
| 21:06.51 | outlaw84 | it worked once I killed krusader... but I wasn't in the folder of the cdrom |
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| 21:07.25 | encrypted | outlaw84: ps aux | grep cdrom to check if a process has it |
| 21:07.36 | chris | hrm i have 2 gigs of ram in this machine, debian with a apt-get install kerne-image-2.6.8-11 .... only recognizes 900 megs of it. do i have to compile my own kernel to support more than this amount of memory ? |
| 21:07.57 | mwilson | I imagine there's a HIGHMEM kernel in Sarge. |
| 21:08.08 | Spec | chris: you might wanna try to turn on highmem and see what happends |
| 21:08.24 | mwilson | Spec: How is that an answer to his question? |
| 21:08.27 | NoGodNoMaster | i'm just curious: there haven't been updates on the servers for several days ... is that right? |
| 21:08.34 | resiak | !topicsmite NoGodNoMaster |
| 21:08.35 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon NoGodNoMaster. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:08.40 | resiak | (The first bit.) |
| 21:08.43 | encrypted | resiak: beat me to it :P |
| 21:08.47 | Boucman | NoGodNoMaster: ftp-server is being migrated |
| 21:08.49 | outlaw84 | encrypted: the grep command didn't find it... but now I am sure its krusader looking it down |
| 21:08.52 | abrotman | resiak: topicfsck! |
| 21:08.57 | Spec | mwilson: he can turn on highmem, recompile his kernel, and see if that shows 2gigs of memory ;-) |
| 21:09.01 | drac | chris: At least Debian Unstable's 2.6.12 kernels are compiled with HIGHMEM support. |
| 21:09.05 | mwilson | Ah, another clueless unstable user. |
| 21:09.06 | chris | hrmmm |
| 21:09.09 | Boucman | topic is not very clear if you don't know what is on what machine... |
| 21:09.24 | abrotman | there is a highmem kernel in sarge .. all 2.6 default to 4GB .. 2.4 is still the 9xxMB thingie |
| 21:09.25 | NoGodNoMaster | *ducking away* ... oops, sorry ... but thanks anyway |
| 21:09.34 | chris | god i'm an idiot running 2.4 arg, thx |
| 21:09.45 | abrotman | chris: make sense? :) |
| 21:10.24 | mwilson | Boucman: Someone who thinks they should be running unstable is expected to have a clue. |
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| 21:10.52 | encrypted | outlaw84: grep pas to see if you have any hung krusaders :D |
| 21:10.58 | encrypted | *ps |
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| 21:11.01 | Boucman | mwilson: everyon starts as a beginner.... it takes time to learn, you don't have a clue right away |
| 21:11.26 | mwilson | Boucman: Then why are you running unstable? Want some ketchup for that foot? |
| 21:11.54 | Boucman | mwilson: to learn things |
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| 21:12.16 | outlaw84 | encrypted: seams I did |
| 21:12.38 | liran | "steveb:aepUCbzGnw8DM |
| 21:12.48 | liran | is that a regular unix passwd file syntax? |
| 21:12.55 | pablum | oi |
| 21:12.56 | liran | heh :) |
| 21:13.04 | outlaw84 | encrypted: but the strange thing was that once i closed krusader I was able to umount the device even before the lost krusader was killed |
| 21:13.05 | Spec | unstable teaches you how you can upgrade and break your system |
| 21:13.16 | abrotman | liran: for salted or md5 ? |
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| 21:13.28 | encrypted | outlaw84: yeah, process was hung :D |
| 21:13.36 | abrotman | and shadowed or not |
| 21:13.47 | mwilson | Spec: Unstable is *always* broken. The question is, does whatever is broken at the moment affect you. |
| 21:13.49 | liran | abrotman: thats what im trying to find out. how can i check in what method was that password encrypted? (or there isn't a way...) |
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| 21:14.11 | abrotman | liran: sure there is .. what's the passwd file look like .. is there an 'x' in one of the fields? |
| 21:14.11 | Spec | mwilson: good point! :p |
| 21:14.17 | abrotman | liran: /etc/passwd i mean |
| 21:14.46 | liran | abrotman: no, it's a www-board/passwd file |
| 21:14.58 | abrotman | liran: oh .. so .. an apache file ? |
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| 21:15.21 | liran | abrotman: i dont know, im asking you :p |
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| 21:15.36 | liran | abrotman: i think its just some file that wwwboard stores its encrypted file in |
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| 21:15.43 | abrotman | liran: where did you find it .. what's the file name ? |
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| 21:16.42 | liran | abrotman: inside one of my servers machine |
| 21:16.47 | liran | abrotman: i figured someone installed it |
| 21:16.54 | abrotman | the .. file .. name |
| 21:17.00 | mwilson | Ouch |
| 21:17.06 | mwilson | xv doesn't like gcc 4.x |
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| 21:19.17 | mwilson | *((unsigned char *)ip)++ = (xcol>>8) & 0xff; |
| 21:19.23 | mwilson | Now THAT'S pretty |
| 21:19.49 | fortysixand2 | lol |
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| 21:20.09 | mwilson | Is that even valid C? |
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| 21:20.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:20.56 | abrotman | damn ugly though |
| 21:21.02 | darkskiez | yes, ugly |
| 21:21.03 | TheAsp | my eyes! |
| 21:21.06 | fortysixand2 | looks like crap |
| 21:21.14 | darkskiez | for it is not obvious what it does. |
| 21:21.14 | mwilson | 4.x doesn't like it. |
| 21:21.16 | Spec | I think it's pretty.... |
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| 21:21.22 | mwilson | error403: invalid lvalue in increment |
| 21:21.24 | Slippy | no...that code is like a fine Claude Monet! |
| 21:21.24 | fortysixand2 | not that I could write anything better |
| 21:21.33 | Spec | The &'s and the >'s and the *'s and the ++'s.... |
| 21:21.58 | abrotman | mwilson: yeah ... you could ask #c .. but i'm pretty sure it's valid |
| 21:22.09 | Slippy | of course it's calid |
| 21:22.13 | Slippy | valid even |
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| 21:22.41 | abrotman | the right side is certainly valid .. the left is a little suspect |
| 21:22.53 | mwilson | 2.95 thinks it's OK |
| 21:23.00 | mwilson | lessee what 3.x thinks |
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| 21:24.00 | mwilson | Hm, it HAS been a while since I've built xv. 3.3 doesn't like it either |
| 21:24.22 | error403 | mwilson, ? |
| 21:24.25 | error403 | :O |
| 21:24.47 | cis | I can't login to kde as a root. How could I change this? |
| 21:24.50 | mwilson | 3.3 provides this --> warning: use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated |
| 21:24.50 | error403 | sorry mwilson, i thought you said my name, which you did... my nick is annoying at times... |
| 21:24.58 | opengab_ | hi |
| 21:25.12 | mwilson | cis: You don't. You have no reason to log into KDE as root. If you think you do, you are mistaken. |
| 21:25.30 | error403 | hehe |
| 21:25.34 | mwilson | So apparently 4.x says you can't use a cast as an lvalue? |
| 21:25.43 | mwilson | That seems rather arbitrary. |
| 21:25.51 | fortysixand2 | cis: log in as normal and use sudo or su |
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| 21:28.13 | mwilson | Ugh. ip is an unsigned short and it's casting it to an unsigned character pointer? |
| 21:28.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:28.41 | abrotman | seems like a bad thing IMO |
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| 21:29.14 | opengab_ | http://wmi.modprobe.de/index.php/WMI/Home |
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| 21:29.23 | bahamat | how do I tell courier that my fraking mail spool is suposed to be in /var/mail? |
| 21:29.25 | opengab_ | someone knows wmii ? |
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| 21:29.34 | xkuseme | has anybody tried the network installation? |
| 21:29.46 | abrotman | xkuseme: lots of us ... |
| 21:29.59 | xkuseme | abrotman: do you prefer it? |
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| 21:30.09 | abrotman | i do .. i have broadband |
| 21:30.18 | bahamat | xkuseme: of what? |
| 21:30.45 | xkuseme | abrotman: for noob, will i know what to do, or will the cd set give a nice standard installation? |
| 21:30.46 | outlaw84 | there was this command tail something which you could use to see the latest system messages ( the same as you get with dmesg ) |
| 21:31.02 | abrotman | xkuseme: as long as your NIC is supported off the start .. you'll be fine |
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| 21:31.31 | xkuseme | abrotman: ok i'll try the network then |
| 21:31.36 | abrotman | !d-i xk |
| 21:31.37 | dpkg | xk, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:31.38 | abrotman | !d-i xkuseme |
| 21:31.38 | dpkg | xkuseme, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:31.51 | opengab_ | so? |
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| 21:32.03 | opengab_ | someone ? |
| 21:32.29 | liran | abrotman: decrypting md5 passwords? |
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| 21:32.45 | xkuseme | for my own good and everyone elses??? |
| 21:33.05 | outlaw84 | does anyone know what command I am talking about? |
| 21:33.47 | outlaw84 | !anyone |
| 21:33.47 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:34.01 | Slippy | outlaw84: tail /var/log/messages? |
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| 21:34.36 | useruser | what program creates the /dev/cdrom symlink? |
| 21:34.49 | Boucman | udev, I gues... |
| 21:34.53 | xkuseme | abolo: you think debian is an ok distro for noob? |
| 21:34.55 | outlaw84 | Slippy: yea that was it, thanks |
| 21:34.55 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 21:35.02 | useruser | Enquiring Minds Want To Know |
| 21:35.11 | outlaw84 | Boucman: you can use udev for automounting? |
| 21:35.25 | Boucman | no, I don't think so |
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| 21:35.42 | Boucman | it's here to populate /dev |
| 21:35.45 | ma3x | how can i mount a virtual cd file? |
| 21:35.48 | ma3x | .vc4? |
| 21:36.10 | Boucman | ma3x: is a vurtual cd fila an iso iamge ? |
| 21:36.12 | Boucman | image |
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| 21:36.19 | ma3x | Boucman no, vc4 |
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| 21:36.29 | ma3x | well an image of course |
| 21:36.31 | ma3x | but not an iso |
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| 21:37.06 | streuner_ | ma3x: what does 'file' say about? (out of interest) |
| 21:37.09 | outlaw84 | ma3x: did you try the "normal" mount command? |
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| 21:37.38 | ferdez | #test |
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| 21:37.54 | ma3x | streuner_ : it says data |
| 21:37.56 | green_earz | xkuseme: bookmark the link > Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html its a very use full debian doc. allso have a look on amazon for the "debian bible" |
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| 21:38.07 | ma3x | outlaw84 : the normal mount command doesnt work |
| 21:38.11 | Pumpkin_Pie | I have 216.140.120.20_25.html and im only trying to decrement the '25' |
| 21:38.15 | mwilson | grrr... hacking on xv is ALWAYS fun |
| 21:38.19 | streuner_ | ma3x: paste the whole output |
| 21:38.22 | outlaw84 | ma3x: what does it say? |
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| 21:38.28 | bnoji | Any samba experts? |
| 21:38.29 | ma3x | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 21:38.36 | ma3x | and when i specify iso9660 |
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| 21:39.04 | mwilson | I have NO idea what's to be changed here. |
| 21:39.09 | ma3x | it says mount: FILE.000 is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?) |
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| 21:39.26 | ma3x | and with -o loop wrong fs type, bad option and so on..... |
| 21:39.26 | outlaw84 | ma3x: did you try -o loop ? :) |
| 21:39.33 | ma3x | yes |
| 21:39.37 | ma3x | it says to try dmesg | tail |
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| 21:39.50 | ma3x | and that says Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
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| 21:40.05 | outlaw84 | ma3x: sorry I cant helt you then... I am gething the same when trying to mount my MMC with fat filesystem |
| 21:40.09 | ma3x | brb wash dishes |
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| 21:41.00 | Boucman | ma3x: seems your virtual cds are not a known type of filesystem, try googling for it.... |
| 21:41.07 | useruser | dpkg: ping |
| 21:41.07 | dpkg | pong |
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| 21:41.36 | green_earz | ma3x: mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path-to-iso /mount-point |
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| 21:41.54 | Boucman | green_earz: his file is aparently not iso9660 |
| 21:41.54 | Landy | hello dave |
| 21:42.00 | green_earz | ok |
| 21:42.39 | outlaw84 | and he went away anyways to do the dishes :) |
| 21:42.46 | Landy | anyone seen this behaviour before? |
| 21:42.47 | Landy | Jul 25 06:25:01 deathstar su[2628]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 21:42.47 | Landy | Jul 25 06:25:01 deathstar su[2628]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
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| 21:42.59 | mwilson | Landy: Yes, what about it? |
| 21:43.04 | Landy | what is it |
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| 21:43.08 | mwilson | Landy: It's cron.daily running. |
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| 21:43.12 | honschu | How to get info about a _not_ installed package? |
| 21:43.15 | finn | my problem with the openbox menu: http://s23.org/wiki/User:Finn/openbox |
| 21:43.21 | opengab_ | http://wmi.modprobe.de/index.php/WMI/Home |
| 21:43.22 | opengab_ | ;) |
| 21:43.29 | outlaw84 | honschu: apt-get show -f <package> |
| 21:43.31 | finn | anybody have an idea? |
| 21:43.32 | Landy | ahh, so nothing to worry about then |
| 21:43.35 | outlaw84 | ops |
| 21:43.39 | xkuseme | sarge uses kernel 2.4 as default? what is the difference to 2.6? |
| 21:43.41 | outlaw84 | apt-cache |
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| 21:44.13 | honschu | yes |
| 21:44.14 | honschu | thx |
| 21:44.15 | mwilson | So now you're going to spam over here about wallpapers? |
| 21:44.27 | finn | what? |
| 21:44.37 | opengab_ | question please... |
| 21:44.46 | mwilson | Apparently you didn't like the answer you got from Mika. |
| 21:45.02 | opengab_ | how will you react from |
| 21:45.11 | opengab_ | a question from a ubuntu user ? |
| 21:45.22 | mwilson | You'll be told to go to #ubuntu |
| 21:45.25 | opengab_ | which has a lib's conflit |
| 21:45.49 | Boucman | opengab_: #ubuntu is probably better for that kind of problems |
| 21:45.49 | opengab_ | i am with him in #ubuntu-fr thx |
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| 21:46.08 | opengab_ | don't sure of that |
| 21:46.57 | opengab_ | i advice him to set the debain sources... |
| 21:47.16 | opengab_ | so a ubuntu/debian problem ? :) |
| 21:47.19 | ma3x | seems this guy is having the same problem http://www.eglug.org/node/1160 |
| 21:47.35 | ma3x | the first post where says: Hi Every One .. |
| 21:47.58 | dondelelcaro | chealer: ? |
| 21:48.08 | opengab_ | libc6 conflict |
| 21:48.10 | ma3x | yes darlin? |
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| 21:52.12 | ma3x | how can i view all types of fsystems? |
| 21:52.22 | spi3 | clear |
| 21:52.22 | spi3 | ls |
| 21:52.26 | spi3 | oops |
| 21:52.38 | ma3x | heh, you like clear and ls |
| 21:52.40 | ma3x | just like me |
| 21:52.57 | ma3x | the one after the other |
| 21:53.16 | ferdez | i'm running a woody machine with a 124 day uptime (not much really) with a weird problem: I can do "ls /etc/fstab" and it shows but "ls /etc" doesn't show the file; and it's not a single case... :-( any thoughts? |
| 21:53.31 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: there are a whole host of them; what exactly are you looking for? |
| 21:53.43 | dondelelcaro | ferdez: what filesystem is this? |
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| 21:53.52 | dondelelcaro | ferdez: sounds like you need to fsck it. |
| 21:54.11 | ma3x | dondelelcaro: the correct filesystem for virtual cd (http://www.virtualcd-online.com/) |
| 21:54.24 | ferdez | dondelelcaro: ext2; yes, but i'm afraid the files go to lost+found |
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| 21:54.32 | dupondje | hi guys, i got a verry weird problem, i cant fdisk /dev/hda (Unable to open /dev/hda) but, hda3 is just mounted ?? (/dev/hda3 55G 24G 28G 47% /) ??? |
| 21:54.40 | angy17 | how can i install Debian, i've first CD of it, but i dunno where i can start to install.. must i reboot my pc on this cd? |
| 21:54.54 | krystalino | lol |
| 21:54.55 | finn | yes |
| 21:55.00 | TheAsp | *blink* |
| 21:55.03 | angy17 | ok thnx |
| 21:55.07 | finn | wait haha |
| 21:55.08 | krystalino | rofl |
| 21:55.15 | Shadowcat | he'll so be back |
| 21:55.23 | Shadowcat | "What does /dev/hda mean?" |
| 21:55.27 | finn | do you have a free partition on your hard drive? |
| 21:55.30 | DancesWithJava | That was you at some point |
| 21:55.33 | finn | oh, already gone |
| 21:55.38 | Shadowcat | DancesWithJava: nope |
| 21:55.39 | ma3x | ferdez: maybe it's hidden |
| 21:55.46 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: hahahaha; no one using Debian would ever use such a thing. |
| 21:55.46 | ma3x | ferdez: try ls -a /etc |
| 21:55.46 | Shadowcat | I actually RTFM before I installed linux |
| 21:55.55 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: if you need compression, use a compressed loopback filesystem |
| 21:56.06 | Shadowcat | PeterB: which part? |
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| 21:56.10 | ma3x | dondelelcaro: i use, because i have one dictionary virtual cd left from windows |
| 21:56.15 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: it's probably some sort of compressed iso9660/udf8. |
| 21:56.20 | PeterB | Shadowcat: angy17 |
| 21:56.44 | ma3x | so how do i view all the filesystems? |
| 21:56.52 | Shadowcat | PeterB: nah |
| 21:56.52 | PeterB | dupondje: Are you root? |
| 21:56.54 | Shadowcat | not stupid enough |
| 21:57.24 | dupondje | yes PeterB |
| 21:57.54 | spi3 | how do I turn off the beep on console? something > set -b off ??? |
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| 21:58.16 | nvz | setterm -blength 0 |
| 21:58.18 | nvz | IIRC |
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| 21:58.39 | LuNaTiK^GuY | i've installed kwin-baghira from repos....but its not in my control centre....how do i fix it? |
| 21:58.41 | spi3 | woohoo thx |
| 21:58.42 | ferdez | max3: not hidden; "ls -a" also doesn't show all files; also tried with "find" and "echo *" |
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| 21:59.04 | ForrestF | are there deb package for xchat |
| 21:59.11 | FieldySnuts | first thing i'd do is install, update and run chkrootkit and rkhunter |
| 21:59.36 | TheAsp | ferdez: lsattr |
| 22:00.10 | TheAsp | anything weird about that file? |
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| 22:00.17 | opengab_ | so here i am |
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| 22:00.28 | opengab_ | anyone knows wmii? |
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| 22:01.20 | FromTO | a while back I used a program to join short vido clips taken from my camera into longer ones. I forgot what it is called. I need something with a --join option to output one longer sequence of bunch of little movies any ideas |
| 22:01.37 | opengab_ | it's a window manager...no ? |
| 22:01.40 | outlaw84 | I am having trouble mounting an udf cdrom... I have got the module for it loaded and even passed -t udf command to mount but I still get wrong fstypr |
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| 22:02.12 | ferdez | TheAsp: lsattr lists the same subset of the files that shoud be on /etc and doesn't show fstab, also |
| 22:02.33 | outlaw84 | If I do a "normal" mount then I get an windows excuteable named udfrinstall.exe and and autorun.ini |
| 22:02.34 | TheAsp | ferdez: sounds like it could use a fsck |
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| 22:03.09 | TheAsp | outlaw84: i'd guess you need another track |
| 22:03.20 | outlaw84 | TheAsp: ? |
| 22:03.24 | ma3x | outlaw84 we are having the same trouble, huh? |
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| 22:03.46 | outlaw84 | TheAsp: how do I select track? |
| 22:04.00 | ferdez | TheAsp: yes, but i'd like to understand the problem; the system is working now, but i dunno after the fsck ;-) |
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| 22:04.57 | sky0 | FromTO: avimerge can do that; part of the "transcode" package |
| 22:05.36 | runa | hey :) I've logrotate 3.7-5 installed but when I try to install apache I get: apache: Depends: logrotate (>= 3.5.4-1) but it is not going to be installed. Im upgrading to debian stable (from an old stable/dotdeb/backports.org system) |
| 22:06.08 | outlaw84 | runa: apt-get -f install |
| 22:06.18 | TheAsp | outlaw84: session=0? |
| 22:06.24 | TheAsp | maybe 1? |
| 22:06.25 | runa | outlaw84: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 105 not upgraded. |
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| 22:06.49 | outlaw84 | TheAsp: just add that to the mount command? |
| 22:06.53 | FromTO | skyo: thank you |
| 22:06.55 | TheAsp | outlaw84: -o option |
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| 22:07.49 | runa | outlaw84: other ideas? |
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| 22:09.00 | patter | erf, how can Ifind out what a process is waiting on (stat from ps = Ssl) |
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| 22:09.15 | outlaw84 | runa: Do an "apt-get update" and an "apt-get dist-upgrade" and retry what you where trying to install in the first place |
| 22:09.35 | runa | outlaw84: I tried that, but it wants to uninstall apache (and hundreds of other packages) |
| 22:09.46 | spi3 | what is a good package to check for network bandwidth? |
| 22:09.54 | spi3 | under console. |
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| 22:10.06 | runa | spi3: ntop |
| 22:10.08 | runa | spi3: iptraf |
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| 22:10.39 | outlaw84 | spi3: nload is the simples |
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| 22:11.28 | outlaw84 | runa: why not let it uninstall them? |
| 22:11.35 | spi3 | okay, thx for the input. |
| 22:11.36 | megatronx | hey anyone own a sd/mmc card reader? |
| 22:11.42 | runa | outlaw84: because.... I need apache? :) |
| 22:11.47 | outlaw84 | megatronx: yea I do |
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| 22:12.34 | megatronx | i was wondering if they work under linux because i want to order this one for my pc: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1348627&CatId=0 |
| 22:12.34 | outlaw84 | runa: Well I don't know then... perhaps it needs to uninstall the old so I can install the new or something.... |
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| 22:12.51 | outlaw84 | runa: else I cant help you :/ |
| 22:12.59 | runa | outlaw84: tnx, anyway |
| 22:13.34 | outlaw84 | megatronx: lol 42 in 1 :) |
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| 22:14.10 | megatronx | i have like no clues as to why it's a 42 in 1. i want to use the memory stick and sd |
| 22:14.43 | yanopapi | umm hi, i need some help with my debian 3.1, i installed it with a netinstall it should have dled and installed the desktop but once the instaation of the OS was done it stayed in text mode, so some1 told me to do apt-get x-window-system so i did, once it was fully dled i had to config it, but when i got to the mouse part i hited esc cause i wanted to re-read something but it just went on, so aftr im done config (mouse part unfinished) i entered de command |
| 22:14.43 | yanopapi | starx.. and it gave me a fatal error |
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| 22:14.50 | Jacky^ | hi |
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| 22:14.59 | outlaw84 | megatronx: guess false marketing is not a crime in usa.... mines got two more wholes and still "only" supports 13 cards :) |
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| 22:15.17 | PeterB | !drxx yanopapi |
| 22:15.18 | dpkg | yanopapi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 22:15.21 | megatronx | heh |
| 22:15.44 | yanopapi | umm thx |
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| 22:15.52 | outlaw84 | megatronx: it should work just make sure your kernel got the supports needed..... |
| 22:16.05 | megatronx | kernel 2.6.12? |
| 22:16.38 | outlaw84 | megatronx: Its not about the version... its about what things you have incompiled |
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| 22:17.09 | yanopapi | once i reconfigure it and select the proper mouse it should run fine and i should have a desktop? |
| 22:17.27 | megatronx | outlaw84: so you have yours compiled in kernel correct? |
| 22:18.04 | megatronx | just want to make sure before i order |
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| 22:18.36 | karthik | Hello all |
| 22:18.42 | FieldySnuts | yum lbl.gov |
| 22:19.15 | outlaw84 | megatronx: yes you need USB storage, SCSI support, MMC/SD.... all located under Device Drivers |
| 22:19.26 | karthik | Can anyone help with installing gcc |
| 22:19.41 | karthik | apt-get install gcc gives "Broken packages" error |
| 22:19.51 | fhffhqvb | !b-e karthik |
| 22:19.53 | dpkg | karthik: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 22:19.59 | outlaw84 | also make sure your kernel has got support for vfat because thats the filesystem most of these cards uses |
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| 22:20.28 | karthik | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:20.29 | karthik | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.29 | karthik | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.29 | karthik | E: Broken packages |
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| 22:20.44 | ralf | newraff isn't bringed up yet, damn |
| 22:20.54 | karthik | dpkg, build-essential also has the same error |
| 22:21.13 | outlaw84 | karthik: apt-get -f install the retry |
| 22:21.32 | ferdez | leave #debian Thanks for the talk! |
| 22:21.41 | FieldySnuts | @pee on ferdez |
| 22:21.42 | FieldySnuts | fuck |
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| 22:22.42 | karthik | ferdex, apt-get -f install has the same error as well |
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| 22:23.11 | dan2_ | her leg ? |
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| 22:23.50 | outlaw84 | karthik: try to fix things with base-config |
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| 22:24.29 | karthik | What exactly do I mess with in base-cofig, outlaw? |
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| 22:26.34 | cbr | is a kernel compiled for amd64 that will run in 32bit mode different than in 64bit mode ? |
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| 22:27.27 | DGJiban | alguem pode me dizer como instalar o modo grafico do debian |
| 22:27.56 | madclicker_ | i have two dns servers, one is finding a certain doamin and the other does not. Can some one help me with this? |
| 22:27.57 | Jacky^ | is there an efficent way to shape network download traffic ? |
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| 22:28.22 | DGJiban | se alguem sabe configurar a GEforce4 64Mb tbm me interessa |
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| 22:29.22 | lildude | what is debain -reboot in shell |
| 22:29.29 | PeterB | !debain |
| 22:29.29 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 22:29.30 | dondelelcaro | lildude: shutdown -r now |
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| 22:31.09 | lildude | flux defalt |
| 22:31.34 | grendal_prime | hey i got this cron job...it runs fetchmail, the thing sends an email to the user every time it runs...where do i disable that? |
| 22:31.36 | lildude | what is the decsk background |
| 22:32.11 | pureone | grendal_prime: commands > /dev/null |
| 22:32.27 | smo_ | hi all what this please : 902/tcp open iss-realsecure-sensor ?? |
| 22:32.41 | grendal_prime | pureone, |
| 22:32.43 | pureone | smo_ netstat -tupln | grep :902 |
| 22:32.44 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 22:32.54 | grendal_prime | that ummm disables all of those? |
| 22:32.56 | smo_ | ok |
| 22:32.57 | pureone | grendal stick > /dev/null in your crontab command |
| 22:33.05 | grendal_prime | oooo |
| 22:33.06 | lildude | fluxbox defalt background? |
| 22:33.08 | grendal_prime | ok thanks man |
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| 22:33.50 | pureone | its not a script running from /etc/cron.* is it ? |
| 22:34.03 | smo_ | strange |
| 22:34.18 | karthik | Can anyone help with installing gcc? |
| 22:34.30 | karthik | I keep getting broken packages |
| 22:34.38 | karthik | with trying to "apt-get install gcc" |
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| 22:36.20 | eeyore- | www.tomshardware.com/game/200507231/index.html --- "Saturday Gamer: Too much violins?" |
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| 22:36.21 | lildude | thanks |
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| 22:36.21 | eeyore- | that's a rather perplexing title |
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| 22:40.13 | Tartarus | should regular folks be using etch right now? I ask since any X app I try (ia32) is giving me "relocation error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6: undefined symbol: XcmsCIELuvColorSpase" but I don't see anything about it in a quick search |
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| 22:40.34 | smo_ | rpc.statd 5808 root ??? |
| 22:40.50 | dondelelcaro | Tartarus: you can if you want; that sure sounds like you've got a strange version of libX11.so.6 installed, though. |
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| 22:41.14 | Tartarus | dondelelcaro, I've got what's current in etch (upgraded from sarge this am) |
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| 22:42.18 | dondelelcaro | Tartarus: well, then you should see something like $ nm -D /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.2 |grep XcmsCIELuvColorSpace |
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| 22:42.21 | dondelelcaro | 000c91f8 D XcmsCIELuvColorSpace |
| 22:42.41 | Tartarus | nada |
| 22:42.46 | Tartarus | i'll try a --reinstall on libx11 |
| 22:42.46 | outlaw84 | does anyone of you got RealMedia player for linux installed? |
| 22:42.48 | Tartarus | thanks |
| 22:43.40 | Tartarus | that did it, how odd... |
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| 22:43.52 | Tartarus | thanks! |
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| 22:44.05 | transgre1s | does audacity rip to mp3s? |
| 22:44.16 | smo_ | apt-cache search realplayer |
| 22:44.16 | smo_ | realplayer - RealPlayer 10 based on the open source Helix player |
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| 22:44.46 | litage | quick PAM/passwd question posted: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VwbEi919.html |
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| 22:44.51 | DekaPink | Woo... I hope I'll be able to work the netinstall. x) |
| 22:44.53 | yanopapi | question do i need all them cds from the cd set to set up debian? |
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| 22:45.39 | outlaw84 | smo_: you most have unclean in your apt source list.... I dont get that |
| 22:46.33 | outlaw84 | smo_: I was actually wondering if Realplayer craps down the computer like it does in Windowz |
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| 22:47.00 | yanopapi | ok so i was configuring my x-window-system and i get to this part where it says something about a DRI.. "write default DRI section to configure file?" if i select yes i get back to text mode.. if i select no i get back to text mode ... what do i do? |
| 22:47.11 | grendal_prime | anyone use clamav with exim-heavy? |
| 22:47.27 | Jacky^ | anyone know if shaping limit traffic on a server work only for upload ? |
| 22:47.34 | cadence | using debian ppc 3.1 on ibook 900mhz, anyone know how to set up sleep/suspend when tray is closed? |
| 22:47.37 | dondelelcaro | yanopapi: that's the end of the configuration. |
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| 22:47.57 | dondelelcaro | yanopapi: to actually start X, run startx, or install a DM. |
| 22:48.02 | yanopapi | dondelelcaro: ohh.. so if i have no idea wtf is dri i should put? |
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| 22:48.12 | dondelelcaro | yanopapi: 'yes' is a reasonable answer. |
| 22:48.12 | ThreeM | wont complete install because of "too many errors"? do i have to start install again from scratch if it gives me login or can i start where it left off? |
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| 22:48.39 | dondelelcaro | ThreeM: uh... that just means that dpkg looped somehow. Just try repeating the install that you were doing. |
| 22:48.41 | yanopapi | thx |
| 22:48.57 | ThreeM | ok but what command do i use? |
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| 22:49.05 | dondelelcaro | ThreeM: where did you actually get this bug? |
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| 22:49.23 | ThreeM | after it asked about video card |
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| 22:49.37 | ThreeM | video card Bus identifier |
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| 22:49.57 | yanopapi | o0 threeM ur configuring x? |
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| 22:50.14 | ThreeM | yeah i would assume...but then it bugged out on me after that |
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| 22:50.24 | dupondje | how can i disable ipv6 on eth1 ? |
| 22:50.50 | yanopapi | ThreeM: lol.. i was configuring it like 2 mins ago... i left it blank cause i only have 1 video card... |
| 22:51.23 | ThreeM | oh ok so blank is a valid config answer...i was wondering...how do i get back to the config from command prompt? |
| 22:51.28 | amorphix | hi |
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| 22:51.43 | amorphix | has anyone tried to get a BT848 tvcard to work with Linux? |
| 22:52.21 | yanopapi | ThreeM: have u gotten to the mouse part? it says something about the ports and then just gives u a list of things like /dev/something/mice |
| 22:52.22 | yanopapi | :S |
| 22:52.36 | ThreeM | yes i just set it to ps/2 |
| 22:52.46 | yanopapi | i didnt see that option :S |
| 22:53.02 | ThreeM | its a laptop so i dont know what the touchpad lists under |
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| 22:53.35 | yanopapi | i have a question.. if i only dl disc 1 of the set.. does it have everything to run debian? |
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| 22:54.23 | afabian | yanopapi, it will install, boot, and run, and there are a fair number of packages on the first cd too, i'd imagine. |
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| 22:54.25 | simonrvn | /dev/input/mice |
| 22:54.25 | useruser | yanopapi: yes, provided you have internet access |
| 22:54.45 | yanopapi | yeap i have internet.. |
| 22:55.11 | yanopapi | ok but it will run with desktop and all? not like netisntal |
| 22:55.32 | PenguinBoyDave | Hello All! I have a sound question. I am running Debian 3.1r0a on a Dell C640 Laptop. I don't think my install found my sound card. Can anyone suggest anything? |
| 22:55.34 | FieldySnuts | !confuse ravenbird |
| 22:55.34 | dpkg | Yes, who are our pants tomorrow, ravenbird? pants of the republic of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
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| 22:56.11 | geck | hi, i have an AMD DURON 800 mhz... when i try to install debian amd64, it say i can't use bcs my processor support only 32bit.... which Debian must i download? |
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| 22:56.40 | roler | what is the best debian pop3 server? |
| 22:56.46 | FieldySnuts | !best |
| 22:56.47 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 22:56.56 | yanopapi | umm |
| 22:56.59 | yanopapi | kmail? |
| 22:57.13 | FieldySnuts | kmail is an MUA. pop3 is a pop3 server |
| 22:57.18 | roler | thats a client |
| 22:57.21 | dondelelcaro | roler: there are a bunch, some people like courier, I like dovecot; choose your own. |
| 22:57.29 | ThreeM | yeah i try to get back into the config using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" but it sends -bash cmd not found to try to reconfig from point |
| 22:58.01 | roler | thanks! |
| 22:58.04 | yanopapi | im tired of the netinstal.. it jsut wont end.. |
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| 22:58.40 | geck | ehy people can u help me?! :( |
| 22:59.04 | dondelelcaro | geck: you need to install the amd64 port. /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 22:59.19 | janeiro | Hi |
| 22:59.21 | janeiro | It's possible to use courier-imap with mbox instead of Maildir? |
| 22:59.33 | dondelelcaro | geck: read /topic and do not /msg me. |
| 22:59.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell geck -about amd64 |
| 22:59.40 | WiFiTux | someone knows the project that switches the desktops in a 3d way when doing ctrl+alt left or right? |
| 22:59.40 | kyu | I just apt-get install grub, where is all the stuff that's usually in /boot/grub? |
| 22:59.53 | kyu | I accidently chose lilo during the install heh |
| 23:00.05 | ThreeM | well im going to try the install from scratch again see if it works this time. |
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| 23:00.15 | yanopapi | ThreeM: do me a favor.. |
| 23:00.20 | yanopapi | remeber everything u did.. |
| 23:00.21 | ThreeM | yeah |
| 23:00.35 | yanopapi | btw.. |
| 23:00.45 | yanopapi | i think i just though of a way i can solve my problems |
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| 23:00.54 | yanopapi | maybe by cehking the thing i need to dl.. |
| 23:01.13 | ThreeM | well my install didnt exactly work i was going to do it again and stay in this channel and ask as i go this time |
| 23:01.29 | sky0 | amd64 on duron 800? you must be joking... geck: you need i386 CDs. |
| 23:01.32 | yanopapi | the good thing of having 2 pcs.. |
| 23:01.38 | ThreeM | yep |
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| 23:02.01 | oskie | is it "expiry time" or "expire time"? |
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| 23:02.21 | yanopapi | second |
| 23:03.09 | roler | i have another problem.. I have two servers. one server's hostname is www.something.com, another is mail.something.com... when I send mail to username@something.com where it should actually go out onto the internet and contact mail.something.com, instead www.something.com is hijacking the emails |
| 23:03.10 | oskie | yanopapi: thank you |
| 23:03.25 | yanopapi | oskie: no problem.. simple grammar |
| 23:03.28 | yanopapi | =D |
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| 23:04.10 | yanopapi | ThreeM: how u going? |
| 23:04.25 | ThreeM | configuring the network right now |
| 23:04.35 | ThreeM | partitioner... |
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| 23:04.49 | yanopapi | ohh rgr |
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| 23:05.07 | yanopapi | btw if u had 200gb free space would u partition it in more than 1? |
| 23:05.24 | ThreeM | i would for at least the swap drive |
| 23:05.46 | yanopapi | yeah well assuming u already have swap drive |
| 23:06.11 | ThreeM | i also like to have a backup drive so that my critical data doesnt ever get lost |
| 23:06.28 | yanopapi | thats what i though... but its more complicated |
| 23:06.45 | ThreeM | unless you have a network drive you use that for...otherwise i dont think it matters a whole lot |
| 23:06.47 | boguh | how can i set the position of xterm when starting it? |
| 23:06.49 | yanopapi | i have no clue how u call the 2nd ext3 partition |
| 23:07.14 | amorphix | has anyone tried to get a BT848 tvcard to work with Linux? |
| 23:07.32 | yanopapi | srry amorphix nope |
| 23:07.48 | janeiro | It's possible to use courier-imap with mbox instead of Maildir? |
| 23:07.53 | ThreeM | yeah neither do i yet...but thats the point of installing it rather figure it out now rather than in class when my code fails because of the schools config |
| 23:08.32 | ThreeM | <--never coded for non-windows system b4 |
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| 23:08.55 | yanopapi | ive never coded.. |
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| 23:10.17 | ThreeM | finishing install going into first boot of debiean |
| 23:10.24 | yanopapi | o0 |
| 23:10.25 | stuarta | amorphix: yep, what flavour do you have? |
| 23:10.26 | sky0 | boguh: like "xterm -geometry 80x25+200+100"? read "man 7 X" and search for "geometry" |
| 23:10.33 | yanopapi | that was fast.. |
| 23:10.45 | ThreeM | 2.4Ghz with a gig of ram |
| 23:10.46 | yanopapi | did u check everything in the list for dl? |
| 23:10.55 | ThreeM | got both dvds |
| 23:11.06 | yanopapi | ohh.. |
| 23:11.15 | yanopapi | i though u were in netinstall.. |
| 23:11.49 | ThreeM | nah it takes only 3 hours do dl a dvd so i just grabbed both last night |
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| 23:12.04 | yanopapi | o0.... im on netinstall... |
| 23:12.08 | yanopapi | its a pain |
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| 23:12.15 | ThreeM | ahh |
| 23:12.28 | cadu | OT: for CD and DVD recording under linux in general, it's better to use the new 2.6 *direct* IDE interface or should i stick with ide-scsi ? |
| 23:12.42 | ThreeM | that sounds lenghthy i knew i would mess up so getting the dvd was best choice for me |
| 23:13.23 | yanopapi | ThreeM: i can tell u that its hard for newbs like me =D |
| 23:13.37 | dupondje | how can i release ip in debian ? |
| 23:14.42 | yanopapi | dupondje: dunno but i know knoppix had a program for dhcp. it released and renewed it selft |
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| 23:20.25 | yalu_ | anyone who uses dvd::rip? is there a way to let dvd::rip encode several titles at once, instead of clicking title, encode, click title, encode, etc |
| 23:20.37 | yanopapi | ThreeM: how u doing? |
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| 23:20.46 | ThreeM | ok its asking about software to install |
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| 23:20.53 | yanopapi | ohh ok |
| 23:21.18 | ThreeM | i assume that i only need desktop file server and sql database for standard system...right? |
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| 23:21.40 | deadcat | the 2 server still down? |
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| 23:22.20 | WiFiTux | deadcat: looks like sometimes they work |
| 23:22.30 | WiFiTux | deadcat: but no updates latelly. |
| 23:23.03 | yanopapi | ThreeM: i woudnt know :S |
| 23:23.09 | ThreeM | ok yahopapi installing packages |
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| 23:23.36 | liran | can i use wget to entirely download a web directory? |
| 23:23.41 | ThreeM | i dont think i need them since its not a web server of any kind just network system... |
| 23:23.43 | deadcat | liran: ya. -r |
| 23:24.09 | deadcat | liran: i prefer wget -r -np -c |
| 23:24.21 | liran | thanks |
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| 23:24.46 | Mirkus | 'sera |
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| 23:24.53 | felesh | hi |
| 23:25.25 | felesh | when x.org will be instalable in Sid perfectly? Someone know? |
| 23:25.36 | deadcat | felesh: now |
| 23:26.34 | ThreeM | so can i leave the Video card's Bus Identifier blank or do i have to input somthing for a laptop? |
| 23:26.38 | felesh | but, when i do a dist-upgrade apt say me that some packages will not be installed |
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| 23:26.44 | felesh | gaiksaurus gtranslator libgtkspell0 openoffice.org openoffice.org-bin |
| 23:26.44 | felesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.44 | felesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.49 | felesh | this packages |
| 23:26.52 | ThreeM | ?? |
| 23:26.59 | dondelelcaro | felesh: what about it? those are just random packages. |
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| 23:27.17 | drac | ThreeM: Blank is good, if you don't have other cards in the same machine. |
| 23:27.18 | deadcat | felesh: whats oo got to do with xorg? |
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| 23:27.50 | felesh | deadcat, x-window-system-core is xorg |
| 23:27.53 | ThreeM | thx |
| 23:28.37 | drac | felesh: apt-get install x-window-system-core? |
| 23:28.42 | ThreeM | i already know mouse detection wont work, its a touchpad do i just use PS/2? |
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| 23:28.55 | Mirkus | qualcuno conosce le differenze tra debian e slackware? |
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| 23:29.09 | drac | Mirkus: English please. |
| 23:29.11 | ThreeM | or /dev/psaux? |
| 23:29.23 | felesh | drac, if i install x-window-system-core, some packages are removed |
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| 23:29.44 | vini | he's asking the difference between debian and slackware |
| 23:29.57 | WiFiTux | deadcat: you have a ppc right? |
| 23:30.19 | Mirkus | yes vini |
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| 23:30.41 | vini | Mirkus, I don't know... i'm looking for this too |
| 23:30.48 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ya. ppc is the ibook |
| 23:30.52 | drac | Both uses Linux kernel.. is there something else same in them? |
| 23:31.26 | WiFiTux | deadcat: do you use DesktopManager when in OsX? |
| 23:31.29 | Mirkus | my english is very bad |
| 23:31.47 | vini | Mirkus, my italian and my english is bad too |
| 23:31.51 | vini | :) |
| 23:32.05 | Mirkus | alleluia! |
| 23:32.22 | eeyore- | my swahili is atrocious |
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| 23:32.38 | WiFiTux | my patois sucks too |
| 23:32.51 | vini | can I install mplayer with apt? |
| 23:32.59 | WiFiTux | vini: use marillat |
| 23:33.06 | vini | WiFiTux, is a player? |
| 23:33.15 | deadcat | WiFiTux: i dont use osx |
| 23:33.16 | WiFiTux | vini: a source where the files are. |
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| 23:33.23 | WiFiTux | deadcat: oh, shame. |
| 23:33.24 | felesh | i dont understand why some packages are not installed |
| 23:33.26 | vini | WiFiTux, oh yes... :P |
| 23:33.33 | WiFiTux | !tell vini about marillat |
| 23:34.06 | WiFiTux | felesh: if all the packages were installed, you would be using Fedora |
| 23:34.37 | vini | WiFiTux, I'm using marillat... but... which mplayer I have to install? mplayer-386? |
| 23:34.41 | felesh | WiFiTux, some pakages that i want to install, not all the packages |
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| 23:34.46 | yanopapi | ok one stupid question... if i mess up the initial config in debian whats the worst that can happen? |
| 23:34.47 | eeyore- | felesh: people's needs are different |
| 23:34.50 | WiFiTux | vini: uname -a |
| 23:35.08 | WiFiTux | yanopapi: delete your music partition |
| 23:35.08 | eeyore- | felesh: so, if you want a package, go install it. that's why you have package management frontends |
| 23:35.12 | vini | WiFiTux, Linux lazev 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri Jun 24 16:53:01 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:35.23 | WiFiTux | i686? |
| 23:35.34 | vini | WiFiTux, is Ubuntu |
| 23:35.34 | WiFiTux | vini: same thing. |
| 23:35.43 | WiFiTux | vini: then go to #ubuntu |
| 23:35.46 | drac | vini: /part #debian, /join #ubuntu |
| 23:35.47 | felesh | my problem is that when i do a dist-upgrade apt say me that somepackages not be installed, like xorg or openoffice |
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| 23:35.57 | vini | drac, WiFiTux, sorry men |
| 23:36.06 | WiFiTux | felesh: Sid? |
| 23:36.11 | felesh | WiFiTux, yes |
| 23:36.17 | WiFiTux | felesh: read the topic |
| 23:36.21 | yanopapi | what is the option for ps/2 mouse port? |
| 23:36.35 | WiFiTux | ./dev/psaux ? i don't rememver |
| 23:36.37 | WiFiTux | b |
| 23:36.40 | ThreeM | ok finished with the mouse and vid stuff well see if it finishes this time or dies again... |
| 23:36.47 | yanopapi | kt hx |
| 23:36.48 | ThreeM | i used /dev/psaux |
| 23:36.55 | felesh | WiFiTux, i dont spead english very well, The topic mean the xorg packages is broken? |
| 23:37.04 | WiFiTux | felesh: Sid is broken. |
| 23:37.08 | yanopapi | ill be back in like 3 hours saying or ·$"·%·$% or wohooo =D |
| 23:37.17 | WiFiTux | felesh: has ben for days, and will be for much more. |
| 23:37.27 | yanopapi | another thing... is this a valid command apt-get install xchat? |
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| 23:37.34 | felesh | WiFiTux, very much? |
| 23:37.49 | drac | felesh: The actual X.Org packages work, but packages depending on it, or XFree86 might be broken. |
| 23:38.06 | WiFiTux | felesh: nop. But yes. |
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| 23:38.24 | ThreeM | well thx for the help guys its doing its unpack stuff so ill bbl |
| 23:38.27 | WiFiTux | xorg is not broken for me, actually, only gaim :( |
| 23:38.33 | drac | felesh: So, install x-window-system-core, xserver-xorg, and let it uninstall what it wants if you want X.Org. |
| 23:38.51 | deadcat | xorg works fine here on the x86 |
| 23:39.03 | drac | here too |
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| 23:39.16 | felesh | drac, i preffer user xfree that uninstall programs |
| 23:39.31 | deadcat | felesh: then why you asking all these question then |
| 23:39.36 | deadcat | if it works. stick with it |
| 23:39.37 | drac | !confuse felesh |
| 23:39.38 | dpkg | No, them are your mushroom yesterday, felesh? lederhosen of the people's republic of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 23:39.41 | WiFiTux | felesh: what is going to kill? |
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| 23:41.08 | felesh | i have asked because is rare that some packages will not to be installed with a dist-upgrade, and i haven amule neither azureus, etc... And i wanted to be the problem, this is all |
| 23:41.09 | eeyore- | xorg works fine here, too |
| 23:41.15 | eeyore- | (but it's gentoo) :-> |
| 23:41.19 | deadcat | hahah |
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| 23:42.23 | Nazxul | Gentoo. Save CPU cycles by using more CPU cycles. ;) |
| 23:43.03 | WiFiTux | Nazxul: sure, once the CPU is burned out after a week of being at 90C |
| 23:43.16 | eeyore- | Nazxul: i used gentoo initially because i wanted Xorg/unichrome/xvmc and a host of other EPIA-specific things |
| 23:43.23 | deadcat | heres my thing about source vs binary.. if i have a 400mhz machine. i want the software installed NOW... if i have a 2gig cpu. i want the software install NOW except its gonna be faster than before.. |
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| 23:43.29 | felesh | Gentoo get that all your program work faster. But you are always compiling a new program and your system is finally slower :) |
| 23:43.41 | Nazxul | felesh Exactly! |
| 23:43.51 | WiFiTux | !gentoo |
| 23:43.51 | dpkg | i guess gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 23:43.55 | WiFiTux | :) |
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| 23:44.16 | deadcat | reasons for using debian: i am lazy, i am impatience. (= |
| 23:44.35 | felesh | but in debian you have apt-build too deadcat |
| 23:44.39 | WiFiTux | deadcat: you got it |
| 23:44.47 | WiFiTux | felesh: who builds |
| 23:44.47 | jay | I'm having a hard time finding libmp3lame for the amd64 architecture. Can anyone help me out here? |
| 23:44.48 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 23:45.09 | deadcat | felesh: i know. but i dont like compiling. waste of time. |
| 23:45.20 | bob2 | just build it yourself |
| 23:45.29 | eeyore- | felesh: while you may have apt-build, installing things in debian that would be out-of-the-norm (e.g., Xorg, before the move to Xorg officially) is still not something to be taken lightly |
| 23:45.30 | felesh | WiFiTux, 2 persons in the world but you have the posibbility if you want |
| 23:45.31 | bob2 | it'll only be in marillat's archive, anyway |
| 23:45.35 | bob2 | !+marillat |
| 23:45.35 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 23:45.40 | bob2 | jay: ^ |
| 23:45.41 | eeyore- | felesh: unless you're talking about recompiling packages |
| 23:45.45 | jonkri | what does it mean when apt-get tells me a package is not authenticated? |
| 23:46.23 | jay | ok, I'll give that a try. thanks a lot |
| 23:46.30 | deadcat | jonkri: apt secured |
| 23:46.31 | felesh | jonkri continue reading and say you that you need a package |
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| 23:46.50 | jonkri | thanks |
| 23:47.01 | xidaux | Does motorolla design their own chips or does IBM design them ? |
| 23:47.13 | FieldySnuts | how would we know |
| 23:47.24 | xidaux | FieldySnuts: Tech heads |
| 23:47.25 | xidaux | :) |
| 23:47.33 | FieldySnuts | righto. |
| 23:47.34 | xidaux | s/motorolla/motorola/g |
| 23:47.39 | xidaux | FieldySnuts: :) |
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| 23:48.13 | xidaux | FieldySnuts: Not totally off topic since Debian has chip/circuit schematic programs to design your own CPUS and circuits |
| 23:48.19 | xidaux | :P |
| 23:48.34 | mwilson | Cool... #c helped me figure out what to fix in xv. |
| 23:48.53 | FieldySnuts | I was under the impression xv was eternally broken |
| 23:49.00 | mwilson | Hardly. |
| 23:49.02 | xidaux | FieldySnuts: Or to perhaps look at certain chip designs |
| 23:49.11 | mwilson | But it doesn't build under gcc 4.x |
| 23:49.19 | FieldySnuts | lots of stuff doesn't, irritating |
| 23:49.20 | mwilson | or it didn't, anyway. :) |
| 23:49.20 | xidaux | mwilson: TenDRA |
| 23:49.27 | FieldySnuts | oh well people weren't pedantic enough, serves em right |
| 23:49.27 | xidaux | :)) |
| 23:49.29 | mwilson | TenDRA being... what? |
| 23:49.36 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 23:49.48 | xidaux | mwilson: mwilson Open source compiler |
| 23:50.01 | mwilson | gcc is an open-source compiler |
| 23:50.06 | mwilson | So what's your point? |
| 23:50.10 | xidaux | mwilson: I'm aware of that |
| 23:50.17 | FieldySnuts | who else is talking? Must be someone I ignored |
| 23:50.27 | xidaux | mwilson: Nothing just thought I'd bring it up randomly to see if people ever heard of it |
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| 23:50.45 | xidaux | mwilson: Get it some exposure |
| 23:50.48 | mwilson | Isn't TenDRA that thing that oBSD hopes to replace gcc with? |
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| 23:51.12 | xidaux | mwilson: I guess but I'm not interested in Theos prejudices |
| 23:51.23 | xidaux | mwilson: Niether should you be |
| 23:51.41 | mwilson | Kindly do not tell me what I should or should not be interested in. |
| 23:51.57 | xidaux | mwilson: Right-o |
| 23:51.59 | deadcat | moron, i am reading this t23 thinkpad page with debian, the guy said "The laptop has a built in LCD screen, SuperSavage server works out of the box." no shit |
| 23:52.31 | eeyore- | xiddaux: why do you want to know? |
| 23:52.44 | licued | heya |
| 23:52.45 | xidaux | mwilson: I just meant that what Theo wants to do should have no bearing on the actual merit or lack thereof of the project unless he is directly behind it which he isn't |
| 23:52.48 | xidaux | mwilson: So I was using logic |
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| 23:53.14 | xidaux | mwilson: I have poor social graces as geek obviously |
| 23:53.22 | xidaux | mwilson: So I can seem rather abrasive |
| 23:53.31 | FieldySnuts | heh i had 54 entries on my ignore list (xidaux was one of them) |
| 23:53.39 | Jacky^ | anyone know if a free implementation of TCP window manipulation exist ? |
| 23:53.51 | FieldySnuts | Jacky^: that does not make sense to me, can you rephrase that? |
| 23:54.03 | FieldySnuts | oh you mean networking |
| 23:54.08 | Jacky^ | yeah |
| 23:54.09 | eeyore- | xiddaux: Motorola, like many 'chip companies', constantly experiment with various different methodologies for producing their chip designs. there's no single answer |
| 23:54.11 | Jacky^ | shaping |
| 23:54.19 | FieldySnuts | got me |
| 23:54.41 | xidaux | eeyore-: Thank you very much |
| 23:54.48 | mdh | Jacky^: try the linux kernel |
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| 23:55.05 | xidaux | eeyore-: I was just wondering if they where IBM's whore or something in someways |
| 23:55.43 | Jacky^ | mdh: I mean to limit inbound traffic |
| 23:55.49 | eeyore- | xidaux: what they do is their business ... you mean "does ibm produce the physical chips for them"? |
| 23:55.52 | ThreeM | hey i got a quick question about linux since someone brought up motorola...will debian linux install easily on an I-Mac?? |
| 23:56.06 | FieldySnuts | better off asking a hardware channel anyway |
| 23:56.09 | mdh | Jacky^: you can't shape inbound traffic at your end, you have to do it at the other |
| 23:56.16 | eeyore- | xidaux: if you're asking about "how do they get there from ideas to physical products", the answer will be very lengthy :-) |
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| 23:56.27 | cadu | OT: for CD and DVD recording under linux in general, it's better to use the new 2.6 *direct* IDE interface or should i stick with ide-scsi ? thanks |
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| 23:56.54 | Jacky^ | mdh: i reade in some place.. until a better implementation such as TCP window manipulation can be used |
| 23:57.01 | eeyore- | cadu: i use ATAPI: transport mechanism, still slow, but ide-scsi is slower still |
| 23:57.06 | Jacky^ | so, I asked for this.. |
| 23:57.11 | pipeline | cadence: That's not off-topic. If you can use the direct interface, it's probably best. |
| 23:57.16 | cadu | eeyore-: so the new ide stack is better in every way ? |
| 23:57.23 | mdh | Jacky^: that's a load of crap |
| 23:57.36 | xidaux | eeyore-: No rather does motorolla design their own chip schematics. Of the ARM-IBM-Motorola alliance I know ARM doesn't design their own usually. |
| 23:57.40 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite Jacky^ |
| 23:57.40 | ravenbird | Jacky^: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 23:57.42 | Jacky^ | mmhh.. no idea.. |
| 23:57.48 | cadu | eeyore-: coz cdrecord spits 10e2 warnings like *WARNING THIS IDE INTERFACE IS UNTESTED FALL BACK TO IDESCSI BLABLA* |
| 23:57.52 | cadu | eeyore-: y'know :) |
| 23:57.52 | Kerr | Trying to play Ragnarok Online with cedega, but when i try to install the patches... it just extracts a gpf file and idles. How can i install/use one of those files? :-/ |
| 23:57.59 | eeyore- | cadu: i wouldn't say that. 2.6's IDE maintainer (not alan cox) appears to have screwed up, depending on whom you ask. Alan Cox wasn't happy with him, and we *might* see a new IDE stack for 2.6 soon. |
| 23:58.03 | pipeline | cadence: cdrecord is written by a madman |
| 23:58.11 | Jacky^ | couldnt possible ? |
| 23:58.28 | cadu | eeyore-: so ide-scsi is still better/more reliable for cd/dvd burning ? |
| 23:58.37 | eeyore- | xidaux: "ARM doesn't design their own"? |
| 23:58.46 | mdh | Jacky^: think about it. you have a network link of bandwidth X, endpoints A and B where B is you. |
| 23:58.47 | eeyore- | xidaux: what do you mean by that? :-) |
| 23:58.58 | abrotman | eeyore-: admit it .. ARM doesn't design crap ... |
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| 23:59.04 | FieldySnuts | arm rules |
| 23:59.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: hey! |
| 23:59.07 | xidaux | eeyore-: Exactly what what I said |
| 23:59.10 | abrotman | eeyore-: hiya |
| 23:59.12 | xidaux | abrotman: Exactly |
| 23:59.19 | cadu | eeyore-: what did you mean about *slower* ? |
| 23:59.25 | abrotman | ARM is actually a great CPU IMHO |
| 23:59.31 | abrotman | for its market anyways |
| 23:59.32 | mdh | Jacky^: traffic comes down that link from A to B, and you're trying to say you want to alter the size of the TCP window on B so that the traffic B has never seen before it reaches it gets there slower somehow. |
| 23:59.40 | eeyore- | xidaux: well, first of all, ARM is an "IP" company. ARM doesn't actually make any chips for sale to general public ... |
| 23:59.46 | cadu | eeyore-: you can write things in higher speeds under atapi direct transport than using the scsi host emulation ? |
| 23:59.52 | Jacky^ | :( |
| 23:59.53 | deadcat | drac: do i meed v4l in xorg.conf? i do use webcam |
| 23:59.56 | Jacky^ | okay.. |
