| 00:00.02 | PerfDave | concept10: Is the host up? |
| 00:00.11 | abrotman | by IP or name ? |
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| 00:00.19 | Exit83 | concept10: are you trying to access it from oyur own LAN? |
| 00:00.22 | dobsonj | Exit83, hehe, i'm pessemistic about it being any faster. the 2.4.26 kernel loads about twice as fast as the 2.6.7 kernel on my laptop |
| 00:00.30 | concept10 | by IP and name |
| 00:00.37 | dwerf | WhatTheHeck? |
| 00:00.38 | jess_ | dwerf: lucky.. dutch girls are hot :P |
| 00:00.40 | dobsonj | Exit83, and i compiled them both |
| 00:00.47 | Exit83 | dobsonj: odd |
| 00:00.48 | shingouz | dobsonj: just the kernel or the whole bot process? |
| 00:00.50 | concept10 | I can access my the website on my lan |
| 00:00.51 | dwerf | abrotman: i just impregnated one |
| 00:00.59 | abrotman | concept10: can you telnet to the porn ? |
| 00:01.01 | shingouz | s/bot/boot |
| 00:01.09 | abrotman | dwerf: whatthehack . a festival |
| 00:01.11 | joy | Care For Sexy Chat? |
| 00:01.16 | dwerf | where is that? |
| 00:01.19 | dobsonj | shingouz, just loading the kernel through lilo |
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| 00:01.28 | dwerf | www.whattheheck.com ? |
| 00:01.28 | abrotman | dwerf: http://www.whatthehack.org/ |
| 00:01.30 | concept10 | abrotman, i dont use telnet |
| 00:01.33 | shingouz | dobsonj: k.. in that case i shut up |
| 00:01.52 | abrotman | dwerf: more specifically http://www.whatthehack.org/whenwhere/ |
| 00:01.59 | concept10 | PerfDave, What do you mean by host? |
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| 00:02.02 | Exit83 | dobsonj: what laptop do you have? |
| 00:02.05 | abrotman | is the server running |
| 00:02.15 | abrotman | concept10: you can `telnet host 80`... to see if apache is answering |
| 00:02.17 | concept10 | yes, the server is running |
| 00:02.21 | dobsonj | Exit83, IBM ThinkPad a21m |
| 00:02.24 | Aradorn | what do i need to do if i want something to start when the computer boots up? |
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| 00:02.30 | concept10 | abrotman, okay |
| 00:02.34 | abrotman | !tell Aradorn about update-rc.d |
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| 00:02.38 | dwerf | abrotman: are you going there? |
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| 00:02.48 | abrotman | dwerf: no .. i'm not a good coder anymore |
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| 00:03.19 | dwerf | abrotman: i've never coded anything |
| 00:03.26 | concept10 | abrotman, telnet: could not resolve host/80: Name or service not known |
| 00:03.33 | Exit83 | dobsonj: unlike some ppl i dont know every model :p cpu and ram? |
| 00:03.55 | concept10 | Is that something to do with resolv.conf? |
| 00:03.56 | Exit83 | abrotman dwerf: what exactly is what the hack? |
| 00:04.00 | dobsonj | Exit83, hehe, 800 mhz with 256mb ram |
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| 00:04.13 | Exit83 | how long does it take to load 2.6.7?? |
| 00:04.17 | abrotman | Exit83: http://www.whatthehack.org/whenwhere/ |
| 00:04.27 | abrotman | concept10: no / .. telnet host 80 |
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| 00:04.53 | jess_ | Exit83, depends on how many modules and services are enabled really |
| 00:05.05 | abrotman | concept10: telnet serverIP 80 |
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| 00:05.11 | Exit83 | jess_: i know |
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| 00:05.29 | abrotman | uhoh |
| 00:05.31 | Exit83 | jess_: but he says it takes twice as long compared to 2.4.27 |
| 00:05.39 | jess_ | hm |
| 00:05.43 | drew | it should be working heh |
| 00:05.48 | Exit83 | abrotman: it only says when and where, not what it is exactly :( |
| 00:05.49 | jess_ | I haven't noticed that much of a difference |
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| 00:06.00 | Aradorn | so the command update-rc.d ddclient defaults would make the script ddclient start when the comp boots up? |
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| 00:06.08 | Exit83 | jess_: me neither, espescially not after compiling it |
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| 00:06.27 | abrotman | Exit83: bunch of coders in a ffield |
| 00:06.56 | jess_ | the 2.6.x kernel does seem to be a little quick all around but not booting up |
| 00:07.05 | abrotman | Exit83: http://wiki.whatthehack.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 00:07.39 | bier | abrotman: are you there? |
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| 00:08.33 | jcarr | okay abrotman, in the oracle 10g installation, I get to the Configuration Assistant and it gives me this error: "ORA-12547: TNS: lost contact" |
| 00:08.35 | concept10 | abrotman, I was able to telnet into the box |
| 00:08.35 | Exit83 | jess_: i had a 2.6.11 kernel and copied the vmlinuz file of the compiled one |
| 00:08.36 | jcarr | any ideas? |
| 00:08.47 | concept10 | abrotman, what should I check next? |
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| 00:09.02 | Exit83 | jess_: theni copied back after reinstalling laptop but i forgot the initrd file |
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| 00:09.09 | jess_ | doh |
| 00:09.14 | Exit83 | jess_: is the image file useless now? |
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| 00:09.29 | abrotman | bier: no .. |
| 00:09.31 | jess_ | you don't always need a init.rd depends |
| 00:09.38 | k8to | FAQ i'm sure: i'm not finding info on whether debian package uploads are working again. indexes still aren't updated. Are the services still down? |
| 00:09.42 | Exit83 | jess_: depends on what?? :d |
| 00:09.48 | abrotman | concept10: can you `get /` when you telnet in ? |
| 00:09.56 | jess_ | if its compiled to have one |
| 00:09.57 | abrotman | jcarr: that's not good .. |
| 00:10.05 | abrotman | jcarr: i had no such problem |
| 00:10.07 | jcarr | abrotman, I know :( |
| 00:10.22 | abrotman | jcarr: google a bit |
| 00:10.27 | jcarr | time to google I guess :) |
| 00:10.29 | Exit83 | jess_: i just compiled, i never saw a option of doing that :( how do i know? just comment oput the initrd line and try to boot?? |
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| 00:10.42 | jess_ | you don't need it |
| 00:10.49 | abrotman | bier: are you there ? |
| 00:10.55 | bier | abrotman: no.. ;) |
| 00:11.07 | Exit83 | jess_: so i can just comment it out :d |
| 00:11.13 | Exit83 | jess_: or delete it |
| 00:11.14 | bier | abrotman: have to work here... |
| 00:11.15 | concept10 | abrotman, when I telnet into the box, I get html <p>The document has moved <a href="http://localhost.localdomain/apache2-default/public_html/mambo/">here</a>.</p> |
| 00:11.15 | jess_ | Exit83, just make sure you did a make modules && make modules install |
| 00:11.29 | abrotman | bier: someone asked me to go .. but i'm not smart enough :) |
| 00:11.40 | abrotman | concept10: guess what .. that's bad |
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| 00:11.51 | jess_ | Exit83, comment it out.. but its a good idea to have a backup kernel too |
| 00:11.51 | bier | abrotman: maybe i'll be there next time... |
| 00:11.56 | Exit83 | jess_: i did |
| 00:11.59 | jess_ | ok |
| 00:12.02 | bier | abrotman: where are you from? |
| 00:12.08 | abrotman | bier: philly |
| 00:12.12 | jcarr | bah.. I need to check the log file :( |
| 00:12.18 | abrotman | jcarr: duh :) |
| 00:12.19 | Exit83 | jess_: and i do have backup kernels, i ALWAYS keep backup kernels :d |
| 00:12.31 | jess_ | anyway work time is over.. time to go home! |
| 00:12.32 | Exit83 | jess_: i mess up too much not to have backups :d |
| 00:12.49 | Exit83 | oi oi kernel panic |
| 00:12.53 | bier | abrotman: wow, that's far away ;-) i am from germany... and i live next to the netherlands... but i have to work, so i can't be there this year |
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| 00:12.55 | jess_ | lol |
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| 00:13.03 | concept10 | abrotman, bad as in what, have I been hacked? j/k...what do you recommend? |
| 00:13.03 | abrotman | bier: i need a vacation anyways :) |
| 00:13.12 | jess_ | Exit83, make mrproper and try again |
| 00:13.18 | abrotman | concept10: why does it think your host name is localhost.localdomain ? |
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| 00:13.28 | Exit83 | jess_: just make mrproper? |
| 00:13.30 | k8to | Mr. Proper |
| 00:13.48 | concept10 | abrotman, I dont know. where do I change that? Do i just use hostname foo? |
| 00:13.54 | shingouz | Exit83: how about make-kpkg clean? |
| 00:13.54 | secher | Does anyone know what add on to firefox gives vi style manuvering (sp)? |
| 00:13.55 | abrotman | check your apache config |
| 00:13.57 | jess_ | cleans up your source and old config |
| 00:14.07 | jess_ | anyway I'm outta here |
| 00:14.19 | Exit83 | shingouz: i dont know, i never use dpkg |
| 00:14.30 | shingouz | Exit83: poor thing ;) |
| 00:14.48 | bier | abrotman: how about visiting the 22c3 in berlin? it's something like whatthehack.. a bit different, i think. but funny too ;-) |
| 00:14.50 | shingouz | Exit83: in that case either make clean or make mrproper |
| 00:15.05 | k8to | make Mr. Proper clean |
| 00:15.08 | k8to | he needs a bath |
| 00:15.10 | Exit83 | shingouz: i was learned to make image with make modules && make modules_install && make install && make bzImage |
| 00:15.14 | shingouz | k8to: shut up |
| 00:15.22 | k8to | okay! |
| 00:15.22 | abrotman | bier: i was thinking seattle or charleston/savannah :) .. maybe london .. my german .. is .. non-existant |
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| 00:15.34 | shingouz | Exit83: works but it is a hell of a lot easier with make-kpkg |
| 00:15.47 | bier | abrotman: there are lots of english speaking people... |
| 00:16.05 | Exit83 | shingouz: how so? |
| 00:16.10 | bier | abrotman: but the other events are cool too |
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| 00:16.22 | concept10 | abrotman, okay, last question what file do I modify, I know its not /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 00:16.23 | shingouz | Exit83: it creates this wonderful .deb you can install with dpkg |
| 00:16.24 | abrotman | bier: i know .. my family is partially from Tyrol . so i'd like to visit there |
| 00:16.49 | abrotman | concept10: probably /etc/apache2/available-sites/default .. but double check that file name |
| 00:17.01 | Exit83 | shingouz: sorry to sound this stupid but explain further pls :$ |
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| 00:17.11 | shingouz | !tell Exit83 about kp |
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| 00:17.47 | abrotman | Exit83: are you serious? |
| 00:17.52 | concept10 | abrotman, okay, thanks for the direction |
| 00:17.57 | Exit83 | abrotman: about? |
| 00:17.59 | abrotman | you've been coming here for a while .. make-kpkg is .. great! |
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| 00:18.15 | Exit83 | i never used it, maybe it is time to read the readme file :d |
| 00:18.17 | shingouz | Exit83: basically you do not have to make modules_install and modules and whatnot. make-kpkg kernel-image && dpkg -i new.deb is what you do |
| 00:18.20 | zack | grr. apt is giving me the "couldn't stat source package list" error on my local repo, but apache's logs show that the file is being retrieved. what gives? |
| 00:18.39 | shingouz | Exit83: kpkg is muy cool |
| 00:19.05 | WiFiTux_ | I just did fdisk, then n then p then 1 then created a partition of 60GB, the System says Linux, but I can't mmount it. What fs does fdisk defaults to? |
| 00:19.06 | Exit83 | shingouz: lol okay, ill read that readme, isnt it somewhere online instead of apt-getting it?? |
| 00:19.18 | Exit83 | wait |
| 00:19.20 | Exit83 | got it |
| 00:19.33 | shingouz | Exit83: google for kernel the debian way. i need caffeine now or i implode |
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| 00:19.49 | Exit83 | shingouz: i already found it :d |
| 00:20.08 | Exit83 | shingouz: ill read it tomorrow, first, im trying to find more on mrproper :d |
| 00:20.17 | WiFiTux_ | can anyone help me with fdisk? |
| 00:20.26 | jcarr | abrotman, know of any active oracle channels anywhere? |
| 00:20.32 | abrotman | jcarr: you wish |
| 00:20.46 | abrotman | !tell WiFiTux_ about ask |
| 00:20.50 | abrotman | since you shuld know better |
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| 00:21.05 | jcarr | lol |
| 00:21.16 | WiFiTux_ | abrotman: read my previous post. |
| 00:21.27 | abrotman | i'm not scrolling! |
| 00:21.31 | abrotman | !be a scrolling barbie |
| 00:21.32 | dpkg | Aww, scrolling is hard! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 00:21.34 | WiFiTux_ | I just did fdisk, then n then p then 1 then created a partition of 60GB, the System says Linux, but I can't mmount it. What fs does fdisk defaults to? |
| 00:21.51 | abrotman | WiFiTux_: you forgot to write it |
| 00:22.01 | WiFiTux_ | abrotman: I did write it, but can't mount it |
| 00:22.05 | abrotman | and it would probably default to ext2 |
| 00:22.13 | WiFiTux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.13 | WiFiTux_ | /dev/hdc1 1 7296 58605088+ 83 Linux |
| 00:22.20 | abrotman | WiFiTux_: you can fdisk -l /dev/<device> .. like sda |
| 00:22.28 | abrotman | right .. that's ext2 afaik |
| 00:22.55 | WiFiTux_ | abrotman: how can I make it a ext3? help doesn't say much |
| 00:23.04 | jcarr | after downloading something 650mb, you expect it to just work :( |
| 00:23.12 | abrotman | !tell WiFiTux_ about ext2->ext3 |
| 00:23.39 | bier | !tell bier about god |
| 00:23.44 | WiFiTux_ | abrotman: can't I make ext3 with fdisk? |
| 00:23.48 | abrotman | jcarr: it doesn't even 'just work' on the OS's that it's 'designed' for |
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| 00:23.55 | abrotman | WiFiTux_: you can try .. dunno |
| 00:24.03 | jcarr | abrotman, ouch |
| 00:24.12 | Ronin | jcarr: name one os/distro that does that |
| 00:24.15 | jcarr | is that why oracle consultants are so highly paid? |
| 00:24.27 | Ronin | or application |
| 00:24.27 | abrotman | jcarr: some of the oracle consultants get over $500/hour |
| 00:24.27 | jcarr | Ronin, not speaking distros/os |
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| 00:24.35 | jcarr | abrotman, I know! |
| 00:24.36 | Ronin | damn fingers |
| 00:24.39 | WiFiTux_ | abrotman: the tune2fs says I don't have a superblock, bad magic number |
| 00:24.43 | abrotman | Ronin: give me your sword! |
| 00:24.47 | Exit83 | how does mrproper work :o |
| 00:24.48 | mdh | $500/hr is almost as much as lawyers get |
| 00:24.54 | Exit83 | it keeps asking me for a target :( |
| 00:25.02 | Exit83 | no rule to make target |
| 00:25.17 | abrotman | mdh: it's sick .. trust me .. and then you can't fuck with the things for fear .. you break them |
| 00:25.24 | Ronin | abrotman: cant got it pointing towards that damn pinky thats been hitting the enter key too soon lately |
| 00:25.27 | abrotman | mdh: and that's more than some lawyers |
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| 00:26.23 | NOangy17EL | exit83: I've DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:26.39 | DoppelGanger | crack |
| 00:26.40 | NOangy17EL | exit83: :D |
| 00:26.43 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: congrats |
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| 00:27.04 | NOangy17EL | i've used this command, i0ve invented it viewing your |
| 00:27.23 | NOangy17EL | exit83: mount /dev/hda1 /media/fat32 |
| 00:27.23 | mdh | abrotman: I'm thinking of going down the oracle path at my new job... its either that or Windows |
| 00:27.29 | NOangy17EL | exit83: writing only this |
| 00:27.33 | mdh | in this case I think its "better the devil you *don't* know" ;) |
| 00:27.45 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: good |
| 00:28.23 | jcarr | man, I love Cops! "What are you going to arrest us or something?" "Well, you do have marijuana on you." "Oh come on! We just brought some to smoke at home, we're not drug dealers!" *sobs, breaks down in tears* |
| 00:28.25 | NOangy17EL | exit83: so... now i've some packages.. how can i install it? packages....bz2 .deb .tgz |
| 00:28.50 | jcarr | "ma'am, ma'am... You have the right to remain silent, anything you do or say..." |
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| 00:29.43 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: with dpkg, but dude, i hve no idea!!! |
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| 00:29.56 | jcarr | it always gets good when they break down and cry... more chances for them to do something wild and horrible |
| 00:30.03 | NOangy17EL | exit83: ok it's enough u have done for me.. :P |
| 00:30.09 | WiFiTux_ | bah |
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| 00:30.21 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: try googling, there are PLENTY of faqs for adsl modems |
| 00:30.23 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: you install stuff off the debian repositories. you do not install from tgz or bz2 thingies |
| 00:30.34 | Exit83 | shingouz: he doesnt have net access |
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| 00:30.43 | Exit83 | shingouz: he uses a adsl modem |
| 00:30.50 | abrotman | mdh: yeah .. i'd pick oracle |
| 00:30.51 | NOangy17EL | exit83: tgz and bz are compressed file..true? |
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| 00:31.04 | NOangy17EL | exit83: i must use deb |
| 00:31.10 | Exit83 | shingouz: he tries D/L packages on windows and install it from debian after rebooting |
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| 00:31.55 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: Exit83: get the proper debs off the debian repositores and use dpkg to install them. man dpkg (dpkg -i foo) |
| 00:32.01 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: i have not much experiences with installing packages without using the debian repositories, im still a noob |
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| 00:32.28 | Cyis | ack... anyone use LVM on their system able to try and help troubleshoot a problem I'm having with it? |
| 00:32.39 | abrotman | you have to ask |
| 00:32.44 | shingouz | !tell Cyis about ask |
| 00:32.49 | NOangy17EL | shing: ok... but then hw can i configure user and password for access net |
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| 00:33.13 | shingouz | NOangy17EL: how about using the nick completion like i told you? jfc.. |
| 00:33.39 | NOangy17EL | shing: yes |
| 00:33.49 | ba | I have a fresh install of debian with an SB Audigy, and i'm having a problem getting sound to work. modprobe emu10k1 says it can't find the device.. What should I do from here? |
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| 00:34.03 | Cyis | My fiance kick'd the switch on the strip outlet powering my desktop... Now /etc/init.d/lvm responds "LVM driver/module not loaded" when running any of the LVM utilities... but dm_mod *is* loaded |
| 00:34.03 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: did you try reading faqs and readme's? |
| 00:34.05 | shingouz | excellent... /me hits ignore |
| 00:34.26 | dwerf | where can i find an ftp client on a newly installed debian? |
| 00:34.35 | CaT[tm] | apt-get install lftp |
| 00:34.42 | NOangy17EL | exit83: yes but it doesn't work |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | dwerf: wget |
| 00:34.49 | Cyis | I've verified the data on the LVM drives is in still in tact by using the Debian install CD and runnin fsck against them one-by-one |
| 00:34.51 | dwerf | thanx |
| 00:34.57 | thoron | Hi! I want that dhcp will set hostname as what is found for eth0 IP address in reverse dns. How do I do this in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:35.02 | Exit83 | NOangy17EL: how do you know? you havent even treid installing your packages yet |
| 00:35.07 | NOangy17EL | i try with dpkg...ù |
| 00:35.09 | NOangy17EL | brb |
| 00:35.10 | NOangy17EL | :D |
| 00:35.11 | Cyis | my / and /boot partitions are not on LVM just /usr, /var, etc |
| 00:35.26 | dwerf | and a more graphical ftp-client? |
| 00:35.37 | Cyis | any thoughts? |
| 00:35.42 | dwerf | i ain't no nerd, you see |
| 00:35.44 | Ronin | dwerf: a client? gftp |
| 00:35.46 | Exit83 | dwerf gftp |
| 00:35.46 | abrotman | god .. send him to #debian-it .. his english needs help :) |
| 00:35.51 | dwerf | thanx |
| 00:35.58 | Ronin | aint no nerd? so you are one then? |
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| 00:36.17 | Exit83 | im a nerd, but soooo new to linux |
| 00:36.23 | shingouz | abrotman: i noticed /ignore helps :p |
| 00:36.24 | Exit83 | and i aint no coder |
| 00:36.56 | Exit83 | lol @ shingouz |
| 00:37.01 | dwerf | thanx |
| 00:37.01 | abrotman | shingouz: i'm getting there |
| 00:37.05 | shingouz | heh |
| 00:37.07 | abrotman | shingouz: so much less noise i'm sure |
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| 00:37.11 | shingouz | you too, huh |
| 00:37.23 | Exit83 | ? |
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| 00:37.52 | shingouz | Exit83: /ignore? it is a neat thing to ignore people |
| 00:38.03 | mreid | Is anyone else having trouble with apt-get update from ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 00:38.19 | Exit83 | shingouz: i know, but as lon gas they arent spamming, nagging, typing all caps i can stand up with them :d |
| 00:38.20 | shingouz | and the trouble is? |
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| 00:38.28 | Exit83 | shingouz im a patiently man |
| 00:38.41 | shingouz | Exit83: you have not been here long enough then ;) |
| 00:38.53 | Exit83 | shingouz: maybe ;) |
| 00:39.31 | abrotman | shingouz: admittedly ... i started mentally ignoring him .. quite a while ago :) |
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| 00:39.59 | ba | How do I check to see if deb can see my sound card? |
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| 00:40.26 | Wyzard | Is it just me or are there still no updates in unstable? |
| 00:40.43 | Wyzard | ba: You should use ALSA (snd-emu10k1), not OSS (emu10k1) |
| 00:41.01 | Wyzard | ba: It may not have anything to do with the problem you're having, but OSS is deprecated; ALSA is its replacement |
| 00:41.03 | EruditeHermit | hey, which apache2 version would you advise to use? mpm-worker? |
| 00:41.06 | ba | Wyzard: When I try alsaconf it states that it doesn't see a card |
| 00:41.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: how'd you know it was sb ? |
| 00:41.10 | dwerf | why can i trigger some programs from the konsole by typing their names, and other not? |
| 00:41.11 | mdh | Wyzard: its you & me, pal. I guess newsamosa isn't back up yet |
| 00:41.17 | secher | Does anyone know the firefox extension for getting vi style page navigation? |
| 00:41.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: He said so earlier |
| 00:41.19 | abrotman | ba: lspci .. do you see your card ? |
| 00:41.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh |
| 00:41.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm slow :) |
| 00:41.32 | Wyzard | ba: Just try "modprobe snd-emu10k1" |
| 00:41.37 | Exit83 | shingouz: well, i have the luck a good debian user helps me out a lot, but i can understand why people get frustrated and come in here asking annoying questions |
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| 00:41.44 | Wyzard | ba: I think alsaconf is obsolete, actually... just load the module |
| 00:41.52 | ba | abrotman: Ah, yes i see it. |
| 00:42.01 | ba | Wyzard: I'll give it a go |
| 00:42.03 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 00:42.12 | keithr | dwerf: PATH enviroment variable must have directory of program in it |
| 00:42.27 | Cyis | problem with using #debian for help is I usually end up helping more people than actually help me when I have an issue... |
| 00:42.40 | Exit83 | hehe Cyu |
| 00:42.41 | shingouz | Exit83: have you seen a good sunday here? |
| 00:42.45 | gil_ | help with Xfree configuration please: "DRI initialization failed" - is it critcal error? |
| 00:42.58 | Exit83 | shingouz: i mostly enjoy reeal life in the weekends :p |
| 00:43.03 | ba | Wyzard: it doesn't see a snd-emu10k1, however it has an emu10k1 (which gives an error about not seeing a device) |
| 00:43.10 | bier | does anybody know an application to view dvb-s streams with? something like tvtime with dvb-support? i have tried kaffeine, but i don't like kaffeine ... |
| 00:43.10 | dwerf | keithr: where do i find that? |
| 00:43.45 | keithr | dwerf: typing "env" shows it amongst other things |
| 00:43.51 | dwerf | keithr: ok |
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| 00:44.02 | shingouz | Exit83: real life? what is that? |
| 00:44.02 | Cyis | hence why I only come in here after I've exhausted all my own ideas for troubleshooting the problem... usually because it's for naught... |
| 00:44.04 | dwerf | keithr: type that in konsole, right? |
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| 00:44.16 | cybrjackle | how do you exclude a package in apt-get? |
| 00:44.25 | dwerf | keithr: thanx |
| 00:44.34 | Exit83 | shingouz: it involves exposure to a yellowish orb giving natural light and heat... its dangerous |
| 00:44.36 | Cyis | usually cause I get people like shingouz that just use dpkg to respond with quips that are unrelated |
| 00:44.40 | Wyzard | ba: What kernel are you using? |
| 00:44.41 | shingouz | !tell cybrjackle about hold |
| 00:44.48 | keithr | dwerf: if you are trying to use program in current dir the "./prgname" will work |
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| 00:45.06 | shingouz | Exit83: yea, i burst into flames.. |
| 00:45.10 | shingouz | Cyis: ? |
| 00:45.11 | ba | Wyzard: 2.4.27-2 |
| 00:45.15 | dwerf | keithr: thanx |
| 00:45.23 | cybrjackle | thx shingouz |
| 00:45.28 | shingouz | yw |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | Cyis: are you complaining about the support you paid for? |
| 00:45.43 | Wyzard | ba: Sorry, I forgot ALSA isn't in 2.4 kernels; you'd have to install a separate ALSA modules package |
| 00:45.43 | Exit83 | shingouz are you a vampire then? |
| 00:45.55 | dwerf | keithr: where can i change the env options? |
| 00:45.56 | shingouz | no... a geek |
| 00:46.08 | Wyzard | ba: It might be that the 2.4 kernel's emu10k1 driver doesn't recognize newer cards like your Audigy |
| 00:46.09 | ba | Wyzard: I installed alsa-source |
| 00:46.11 | Cyis | abrotman: no... just shingouz's quick firing of "tell about help" as I was typing the subsequent lines... |
| 00:46.11 | WhildGurl | I wanted to switch to a 2.6 kernel and was told to get kernel-image-2.6-686-smp.... but then what? |
| 00:46.16 | abrotman | shingouz: ah ... a dew sucker :) |
| 00:46.30 | Wyzard | ba: You don't need alsa-source unless you're using a custom-compiled kernel... there are alsa-modules packages |
| 00:46.36 | secher | Cyis: as a beginner, help required is simple and plentiful, as you become a master, the help you require becomes less frequent, but more demanding and rarer to find. |
| 00:46.39 | keithr | dwerf: to set path -> "export PATH=/some/dir:$PATH" |
| 00:46.39 | Wyzard | ba: But it'd be better to just upgrade to a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:46.47 | ba | Wyzard: There an easy way to do that/ |
| 00:46.50 | dwerf | keithr: wanna help me get my sound started on my laptop? |
| 00:46.54 | Wyzard | ba: That'll give you ALSA without jumping through hoops, and will quite possibly solve your problem too |
| 00:46.57 | shingouz | Cyis: usually the question should be on one line... helps to follow the conversation |
| 00:46.59 | Wyzard | ba: What processor do you have? |
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| 00:47.05 | ba | Wyzard: athlon 2500 |
| 00:47.08 | cybrjackle | is "unstable" in more of an <unstable> manner? |
| 00:47.10 | abrotman | -k7! |
| 00:47.15 | Wyzard | ba: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6-k7 |
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| 00:47.19 | rabies | hey |
| 00:47.23 | abrotman | !barf |
| 00:47.23 | dpkg | BLECCH |
| 00:47.23 | keithr | dwerf: don't know too much about that ... sorry |
| 00:47.25 | cybrjackle | I've ran it in the past, just curious "udev" stops |
| 00:47.26 | Cyis | secher: I'm far from beginner... I'm a network administrator... I manage over a dozen Debian machines... I came in here because I actually have a problem I have been unable to trouble shoot thinking I *might* find someone else in here that has an idea to try |
| 00:47.36 | shingouz | cybrjackle: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 00:47.41 | Wyzard | ba: ("-k7" is optimized for AMD processors; "-686" is for Intel, and "-386" is for things older than the Pentium Pro) |
| 00:47.42 | dwerf | anybody wanna help me set up my sound card? |
| 00:47.46 | abrotman | Cyis: that's what he's saying .. you're asking some difficult quedstion .. because if it were easy .. you wouldn't be here :) |
| 00:47.55 | Wyzard | ba: oops... apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 (not -source-) |
| 00:48.16 | Exit83 | shingouz are you one of those geeks who are coding all the time? |
| 00:48.21 | dwerf | i installed a few alsa drivers - but they might have been the wrong ones |
| 00:48.24 | abrotman | Cyis: did you check the md5 of the module ? |
| 00:48.27 | ba | Wyzard: Thanks for the help. Updating now. |
| 00:48.38 | shingouz | Exit83: no, not really. i usually work with odd hardware |
| 00:48.38 | abrotman | Cyis: possibly corrupted ? |
| 00:48.44 | jcarr | GOD!! I love watching cops... some guy is on his wife's (who is sperated) property screaming for her to let him take her out and crap, while the police continueously tell him he's trespassing... his wife finally walks out of the house and tells him off.... |
| 00:48.48 | Wyzard | ba: And reboot, of course, so you're running the new kernel |
| 00:48.50 | jcarr | she's a 800 lb gorilla!!! |
| 00:48.58 | Cyis | abrotman: that might help if I had the md5 to compare against prior to the crash |
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| 00:49.03 | jcarr | an he desperately wants her back :) |
| 00:49.05 | Exit83 | shingouz: hehe, i just try to make linux my everyday OS |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | Cyis: self compiled kernel ? |
| 00:49.16 | Cyis | yeah I had to ... |
| 00:49.19 | cybrjackle | thx shingouz, like I said I know how sid is, just wondering if it is worst now since sarge was released. I also run rawhide on the fc side |
| 00:49.22 | keithr | dwerf: once you install alsa you need to set the mixer volume to get it towork -- did you do that? |
| 00:49.31 | abrotman | Cyis: yeah .. that won't help then .. did you use make-kpkg to make your kenrel ? |
| 00:49.46 | Cyis | abrotman: version magic conflicts with gcc on AMD64 when trying to compile VMware modules |
| 00:49.46 | rabies | im trying to reload grub into my bootrecord from a rescue disk, any ideas on what disk to use? |
| 00:49.55 | secher | Ok, last time.. does anyone know of a Firefox extension for vi style page navigation? |
| 00:49.59 | rabies | simpymepis is locking out my /dev/null when chroot into the system |
| 00:50.06 | Cyis | abrotman: yeah I did... unfortunately it's stored on one of the LVM partitions :) |
| 00:50.07 | shingouz | cybrjackle: sid is bad at the moment. it has been worse but it is not for the faint hearted |
| 00:50.08 | rabies | very annoying and it prevents me from doing anything |
| 00:50.11 | Exit83 | secher: try google |
| 00:50.21 | abrotman | Cyis: you can't boot an .. ubuntuCD or something .. and get it ? |
| 00:50.36 | Wyzard | rabies: Ubuntu CD, Knoppix CD, Debian install CD... all would work |
| 00:50.38 | Cyis | ubuntu liveCD failed to load |
| 00:50.44 | secher | Exit83: Google and I are very well acquainted on this topic, thanks though. |
| 00:50.44 | abrotman | Cyis: cute |
| 00:50.47 | jcarr | that's cuz it';s crap! |
| 00:50.50 | Wyzard | rabies: You don't have to chroot into the system to install GRUB |
| 00:50.52 | rabies | Wyzard, i didnt have much luck w/ debian-install cd...damn devfs is annoying |
| 00:50.53 | jcarr | based on a crappy distro! |
| 00:51.00 | rabies | Wyzard, i dont? |
| 00:51.03 | abrotman | Cyis: what happens if you modprobe -r .. then modprobe .. the driver ? |
| 00:51.05 | rabies | Wyzard, just do grub-install? |
| 00:51.06 | Cyis | only my Debian install CD worked but it was i386 so I couldn't chroot into my AMD64 root |
| 00:51.19 | Wyzard | rabies: Nope... maybe grub-install needs that, but it's easy to install without grub-install |
| 00:51.25 | Cyis | abrotman: hang on... let me switch the monitor/keyboard and try |
| 00:51.40 | cybrjackle | shingouz, like I said, I also run rawhide so i'm not faint hearted! ;) |
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| 00:51.48 | Wyzard | rabies: Do you know GRUB's notation for hard drives -- (hd0,0), etc.? |
| 00:52.10 | shingouz | cybrjackle: if you want to have a headache, sid is the one for you ;) /me runs sid on several computers |
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| 00:52.34 | rabies | Wyzard, yes, i do |
| 00:52.53 | Wyzard | rabies: OK... from a prompt, run "grub --no-floppy" to get into the interactive GRUB shell |
| 00:52.53 | Exit83 | shingouz: why sid? i used it on a desktop and i have problems with it all the time :( |
| 00:53.06 | rabies | Wyzard, its weird, but makes sense after pounding my head on a desk for a while :) |
| 00:53.07 | Exit83 | shingouz: i still use it on my desktop :d |
| 00:53.09 | Cyis | abrotman: cleaning up the module and reloading doesn't change anything |
| 00:53.17 | Wyzard | rabies: ("--no-floppy" isn't strictly necessary, but it avoids a potentially lengthy search for floppy drives) |
| 00:53.20 | rabies | Wyzard, running |
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| 00:53.36 | rabies | Wyzard, aye, i know |
| 00:53.43 | shingouz | Exit83: because i am insane? i have two desktops and two laptops on it now |
| 00:53.45 | Wyzard | rabies: Now type "root (hd0,0)", substituting whatever partition you have your kernel on |
| 00:54.04 | Wyzard | rabies: and then "setup (hd0)", substituting whatever drive you want to put the bootloader on |
| 00:54.04 | Exit83 | shingouz: i have trouble making the sound work if i add a new user on SID |
| 00:54.05 | abrotman | Cyis: so the module is loaded .. but the programs think it's not ? |
| 00:54.09 | rabies | Wyzard, 0,5 |
| 00:54.11 | Cyis | abrotman: it's booting up fine... have it in single user mode now... however I don't have access to /usr or /var as their on LVM |
| 00:54.15 | Cyis | abrotman: yep |
| 00:54.15 | Wyzard | rabies: hda6? |
| 00:54.25 | abrotman | Cyis: where'd you keep the kernel images ? |
| 00:54.28 | Cyis | an lvmiopversion responds with the proper version |
| 00:54.29 | rabies | Wyzard, thats it? |
| 00:54.33 | Cyis | abrotman: /usr/src |
| 00:54.34 | rabies | Wyzard, wow, that was easy, thanks man |
| 00:54.36 | shingouz | Exit83: Sid, not SID.... just add the new user to group audio |
| 00:54.40 | abrotman | Cyis: oh .. that sucks :) |
| 00:54.40 | Wyzard | rabies: Yep, that's all you need |
| 00:54.46 | rabies | Wyzard, time to reboot! =D |
| 00:54.46 | Cyis | abrotman: tell me about it :) |
| 00:54.48 | WhildGurl | How can you complie a custom kernel when you're using kernel-image-2.6-686-smp ? |
| 00:54.58 | abrotman | !tell WhildGurl about kp |
| 00:54.58 | Wyzard | rabies: grub-install basically figures out what drive and partition, and then runs those two commands for you :-) |
| 00:54.59 | Exit83 | shingouz: is there a difference bewteen Sid and SID? |
| 00:55.02 | Cyis | abrotman: also considering this machine operated 3 of my servers under VMware |
| 00:55.06 | Wyzard | Exit83: no |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | Cyis: oweeei |
| 00:55.13 | rabies | Wyzard, gee, convient ;) |
| 00:55.19 | Cyis | so my internal network firewall, mail server and web server are offline |
| 00:55.30 | rabies | rebooting |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | Cyis: she's an ex now . right ? :) |
| 00:55.43 | ZibiKebir | i am trying to set up my microsoft mn-510 wireless usb card on ubuntu linux, which is based on debian, i downloaded the tar.gz file, and extracted to a .deb file. i then installed the .deb file. i am pretty much stuck now. i read alot of forums but they dont seem to tell me how to do it step by step. i am still learning thr ropes with this |
| 00:55.57 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:55.57 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 00:56.03 | Ronin | ZibiKebir: try #ubuntu |
| 00:56.07 | Cyis | luckily the other 6 servers in the telco rack are fine and in the DMZ so can get out without the firewall/gateway machine being online |
| 00:56.11 | Exit83 | hmmmm, it seems i took 400+ pics of legoland yesterday |
| 00:56.41 | Cyis | abrotman: not necessarially... she feels bad about it cause she knows how much of a headache it is for me to fix it and that she just won't get any time with me until it's fixed |
| 00:56.54 | Wyzard | ZibiKebir: Generally, installing the .deb file should be all you need to have the software be installed, but you're installing an unofficial package |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | Cyis: hehe |
| 00:57.10 | ZibiKebir | it is on the list for approved devices |
| 00:57.17 | abrotman | ZibiKebir: #ubuntu |
| 00:57.20 | Wyzard | ZibiKebir: The fact that you somehow got a .deb out of a .tar.gz sounds strange, unless you're saying you compiled from source |
| 00:57.46 | ZibiKebir | i had the tar.gz and used alien on it, it extracted to a .deb |
| 00:57.51 | Wyzard | ZibiKebir: But Ubuntu, though being based on Debian, is not the same as Debian... and #ubuntu knows about the specifics that we don't |
| 00:57.53 | Exit83 | maybe he used his magic wand |
| 00:58.10 | Exit83 | ubuntu :( |
| 00:58.11 | Wyzard | ZibiKebir: Oh... then that's not even an unofficial package, it's a mechanically-generated pseudo-package at best |
| 00:58.25 | ZibiKebir | i asked in there, but nobody seems to be answering my question |
| 00:58.30 | Wyzard | ZibiKebir: It doesn't surprise me at all if it doesn't work |
| 00:58.37 | Cyis | abrotman: if it is corrupted... it's not corrupted enough to cause 'modinfo' or any of other module utilities to fail to run |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | https://www.quickbase.com/db/bam6rdiey?a=q&qid=5\ |
| 00:58.44 | Ronin | ZibiKebir: honestly not our problem, wait till they wake up in #ubuntu |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | drr .. wrong channel |
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| 00:58.57 | ZibiKebir | yh but everyone who tried in teh forums said they got it working |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | #ubuntu |
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| 00:59.09 | abrotman | fucking .. take your ass to #ubuntu |
| 00:59.11 | Exit83 | they are all liars |
| 00:59.12 | abrotman | it's not hard |
| 00:59.18 | ZibiKebir | i did |
| 00:59.18 | Exit83 | liars i tell you |
| 00:59.23 | abrotman | ubuntu is not debian |
| 00:59.29 | Ronin | ahh come on abrotman /join #ubuntu is tough to type |
| 00:59.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: The question is only halfway Ubuntu-specific |
| 00:59.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: and the other half ? |
| 00:59.43 | Cyis | nope... an ubuntu actually screw'd up using MD RAID root drives |
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| 01:00.10 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm only addressing the half that isn't :-) |
| 01:00.12 | Cyis | Ubuntu has a problem with taking Debian packages and b0rking them to death |
| 01:00.12 | mdh | !they don't know |
| 01:00.13 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 01:00.32 | jcarr | abrotman, did you download that cpio stuff for oracle? Like disk1, disk2, etc? |
| 01:00.33 | Wyzard | Cyis: It's not even a Debian package... it's a .tar.gz repacked by alien |
| 01:00.47 | DB_ | I can't get pbuilder to create a base tarball for sid...dependency problems with aptitude and util-linux. Is there a workaround I can use? |
| 01:00.47 | abrotman | Cyis: and the system won't boot right . because it can't mount /usr .. irght ? |
| 01:00.49 | Cyis | Wyzard: so they b0rk it worse than I thought |
| 01:00.54 | ZibiKebir | lets just drop it, im getting help already |
| 01:00.56 | abrotman | jcarr: i ordered the cds |
| 01:01.02 | jcarr | oh |
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| 01:01.13 | jcarr | I downloaded what it told me to on the oracle site |
| 01:01.13 | Cyis | abrotman: it boots but can't find any of the LVM partitions... has / and /boot fine as they are non-LVM |
| 01:01.14 | abrotman | jcarr: they were like .. 30$ or something |
| 01:01.30 | jcarr | but reading the debian howto, it seems they used different files |
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| 01:01.49 | Cyis | DB_: I've had that problem before... Build against sarge then upgrade the base image |
| 01:01.53 | Wyzard | ZibiKebir: Do ask in #ubuntu, not here, but I can tell you in a very distro-agnostic way that getting a third-party module like that working is probably going to require a bit of learning on your part... not just run a command and it suddenly all works |
| 01:01.56 | DB_ | Cyis: Thanks |
| 01:02.00 | jcarr | of course, the link they give to the files is to oracle documentation, not the installer :( |
| 01:02.05 | cybrjackle | shingouz, thx for your help, must exit X for gnome/xorg updates, thx again |
| 01:02.18 | shingouz | cybrjackle: have fun ;) |
| 01:02.20 | Exit83 | enybidy know a better image viever then Eye of Gnome |
| 01:02.21 | green_earz | rabies: its a bit late but have a look at "Grub From the Ground Up" > http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm |
| 01:02.21 | Cyis | DB_: ran into that after re-installing last time... I use pbuilder to build all my packages prior to uploading |
| 01:02.23 | fas3r | hi all |
| 01:02.26 | Wyzard | Exit83: gqview |
| 01:02.38 | Exit83 | Wyzard: thx a lot |
| 01:03.03 | abrotman | Exit83: define better |
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| 01:03.31 | Wyzard | abrotman: Hey, btw, I finished FFX last night |
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| 01:03.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: good . i saw a FFVII-II is coming :) |
| 01:03.45 | Exit83 | abrotman: well, sometimes EOG hangs, it opens a new browser field if i open a new mqp |
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| 01:03.53 | Exit83 | abrotman: its just annoying |
| 01:03.55 | mdh | Exit83: feh |
| 01:04.03 | Wyzard | abrotman: Interesting... I didn't like FFVII that much though |
| 01:04.10 | Exit83 | abrotman: i use it for my digital pictures |
| 01:04.11 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | i use eog .. i like it |
| 01:04.23 | Cyis | Exit83: try gthumb? |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | Cyis: did you try kicking the system ? |
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| 01:05.32 | IRCMonkey_ | hello |
| 01:05.56 | Cyis | abrotman: hehe... technical *whap* (tap wasn't enough I thought didn't do much good... |
| 01:06.13 | gil_ | yes |
| 01:06.17 | gil_ | duallie joy |
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| 01:06.24 | Ronin | put on the steel toed boots Cyis and explain who's the boss |
| 01:06.32 | romulo | whats is the processor class of athlonxp ? |
| 01:06.37 | abrotman | -k7 |
| 01:06.59 | romulo | thanks |
| 01:06.59 | Cyis | Ronin: how'd you know I wear steel toed boots... "The Man" must have a camera in my home office ;) |
| 01:07.01 | mdh | Exit83: feh is a neat little image viewer, but for a digital picture collection I'd use something like gthumb |
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| 01:07.33 | abrotman | Cyis: have you tried any other amd64 live cds ? |
| 01:07.36 | Exit83 | mdh thx gqview sucks :( |
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| 01:08.01 | abrotman | such negativity |
| 01:08.10 | thoron | How do I do this better? /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet ' | tr -d '[:alpha:]:' | awk '{print $1}' | xargs dig +short -x | sed s/.$// |
| 01:08.26 | Cyis | abrotman: I think I have to go out in the garage and dig to find my CDs... I have the Ubuntu AMD64 liveCD... I used it when I first got the machine to make sure the devices were compatible before installing Debian |
| 01:08.47 | Exit83 | abrotman: yeah, it has troubles reading in 500 megs of pictures and i cant use arrows or such to navigate, which in eog could be done |
| 01:08.49 | Cyis | C-A-D rox |
| 01:08.52 | IRCMonkey_ | i was using debian gnome desktop on a fresh installation, and then it just froze -- very weird, so i restarted but now the power,hd,and cd lghts stay on w/ nothing showing on the monitor -- i dont think bios starts -- how do i get the computer to start again? |
| 01:08.57 | Exit83 | mdh cad rules |
| 01:09.11 | abrotman | Cyis: maybe .. gentoo or suse ? |
| 01:09.14 | mdh | Cyis: "We Deliver" - 2005/06/04 |
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| 01:09.27 | Ronin | IRCMonkey_: replace video card? monitor? |
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| 01:09.35 | abrotman | Exit83: you might like f-spot .. but don't come after me if everything explodes .. it's like .. 0.13 |
| 01:09.39 | cybrjackle | shingouz, it's alive :) |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | !info f-spot sid |
| 01:09.44 | dpkg | f-spot: (personal photo management application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.13-3 (sid), Packaged size: 416 kB, Installed size: 1736 kB |
| 01:09.49 | abrotman | !info f-spot etch |
| 01:09.56 | ba | Wyzard: It all seems to be set up right, yet I don't appear to have sound. (speakers are in and on..) |
| 01:10.35 | mdh | I also have "The Almighty Twenty" (2005/05/09) |
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| 01:10.53 | IRCMonkey_ | Ronin: i'll try another video card |
| 01:10.55 | Cyis | going through the ole stack-o-CDs |
| 01:11.15 | mdh | it reminded me of a game of RISK I had that weekend |
| 01:11.22 | Exit83 | abrotman: lol |
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| 01:11.31 | Exit83 | damned |
| 01:11.37 | Exit83 | my laptop is freezing up |
| 01:11.42 | Cyis | anyone want a set of Official Oracle 8i for Linux CDs :) |
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| 01:12.03 | abrotman | Cyis: jcarr might :) |
| 01:12.14 | Cyis | got that plus Netware 5 |
| 01:12.19 | mdh | Cyis: 8i ? That's like 2 versions behind! |
| 01:12.19 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 01:12.32 | metaperl | I just brought my laptop in from outside and want it to become aware of the internet. It is plugged into my router now... how might I do this? |
| 01:12.34 | Cyis | mdh: yeah... well it's been over 5 years since I was working with Oracle |
| 01:12.43 | Exit83 | crap |
| 01:12.47 | Exit83 | my laptop is stuck |
| 01:12.50 | Exit83 | it crashed |
| 01:12.55 | abrotman | get out and push! |
| 01:12.55 | Exit83 | and i aint even using sid |
| 01:14.01 | liable | metaperl: man interfaces, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
| 01:15.16 | thoron | In /etc/network/interfaces I have |
| 01:15.16 | thoron | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 01:15.17 | thoron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:15.25 | thoron | Why debian can't do this better? |
| 01:16.07 | abrotman | you have what? |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | you fucked something up |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 01:16.15 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
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| 01:16.28 | metaperl | liable: thanks |
| 01:16.29 | thoron | abrotman, clear your mouth. |
| 01:17.17 | thoron | It will set proper hostname that matches with reverse DNS of IPv4 address set on eth0. |
| 01:17.18 | dondelelcaro | thoron: if you want something like that set automatically (which you almost DEFINETLY don't) write a dhclient hook to do so. |
| 01:17.29 | Cyis | I'm never moving again... being a geek I have too many CDs... found another box-o-CDs |
| 01:17.30 | abrotman | thoron: you seriously fucked it up |
| 01:17.59 | thoron | abrotman, I don't need your help. Be quiet. |
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| 01:18.13 | abrotman | it's going to reset the host name ... while you're bringing up interfaces? |
| 01:18.14 | Wyzard | ba: Run alsamixer and turn the volume levels up from zero :-) |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | that sounds .. like a shitty idea |
| 01:18.24 | abrotman | but what the fuck do i know |
| 01:18.27 | ba | K |
| 01:18.32 | BadMan | hmm forgot my password to identify |
| 01:18.39 | Wyzard | thoron: The system hostname actually has nothing to do with DNS |
| 01:18.45 | bier | try 'tux' |
| 01:18.47 | bier | ;> |
| 01:18.50 | thoron | Wyzard, yes it does. |
| 01:18.52 | Wyzard | thoron: You don't need to change it |
| 01:18.54 | Wyzard | thoron: No, it doesn't |
| 01:19.02 | thoron | Wyzard, I want to change it. |
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| 01:19.05 | Cyis | found the Ubuntu AMD64 LiveCD and Debian Sarge AMD64 Netinst CD |
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| 01:19.14 | Cyis | I just had way too many CDs |
| 01:19.23 | Wyzard | thoron: A system can have multple DNS names, or might not even be on a network, but it always has exactly one hostname. |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh come on ignore him already :) ... he's way smarter than you or i |
| 01:19.41 | initech | Wyzard: nevertheless, the host name of a system should match the dns, as far as possible |
| 01:19.52 | thoron | Wyzard, Which is found on reverse DNS. |
| 01:19.57 | landon | he's being confused by the contents of resolv.conf |
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| 01:20.04 | Wyzard | thoron: If your really want to change it, put a script in /etc/networking/if-up.d |
| 01:20.21 | abrotman | COOKIE! |
| 01:20.22 | Wyzard | thoron: But no, there is absolutely no need for the system hostname to match anything in DNS |
| 01:20.32 | dondelelcaro | thoron: it actually may have more than reverse as well... since it's quite trivial for a machine to have multiple ips |
| 01:20.49 | thoron | Wyzard, yes, there is. For example Postfix needs proper name. |
| 01:20.54 | abrotman | no way .. all machines have one IP and one name |
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| 01:21.12 | abrotman | iirc .. postfix needs to be able to resolve the name it was given ... |
| 01:21.21 | abrotman | and iirc .. doesn't ahve to match the machine name |
| 01:21.34 | ttj | my postfix doesn't have the same name as my machine |
| 01:21.36 | thoron | dondelelcaro, although it is legal to have multiple reverse dns entries, it's not recommended. |
| 01:21.36 | ttj | works perfectly |
| 01:21.39 | Wyzard | thoron: Then tell Postfix what domain it should be receiving mail for, so it doesn't have to fall back on the system hostname as a default |
| 01:21.48 | dondelelcaro | thoron: that may be; but that's why it's not done that way be default. |
| 01:21.57 | jcarr | 8i? No, i need 10g |
| 01:21.59 | ba | Wyzard: Was the "center". All fixed. Thanks a lot. |
| 01:22.13 | abrotman | !love FieldySnuts |
| 01:22.26 | thoron | dondelelcaro, I don't want it to be default, I want it to be easy for those who want to do it. |
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| 01:22.43 | Wyzard | I read something just a few days ago that explained why the system hostname is unrelated to DNS names... I wish I could find it again |
| 01:22.56 | abrotman | because it is :) |
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| 01:23.04 | thoron | Wyzard, This is not about receiving but sending mail. Many server require proper FQDN with EHLO. |
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| 01:23.18 | initech | Wyzard: well it's just rather obvious :) nsswitch.conf and all that |
| 01:23.38 | Wyzard | thoron: It's still an app configuration issue |
| 01:23.39 | BadMan | ftp.us.debian.org apt sources is giving me issues along with ftp.debian.org... is there a more reliable apt source for netinst that someone may recommend? |
| 01:23.51 | dondelelcaro | thoron: well, it is fairly straightforward; a simple script will do it. The only other issue you've got is you're not calling hostname; which you need to do; and you've not set up an entry in /etc/hosts which you also need to do. |
| 01:23.54 | jason^ | jcarr: i'm a jcarr too. jason though, not james |
| 01:23.57 | abrotman | BadMan: doesn't it let you choose the mirrors ? |
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| 01:24.09 | abrotman | i know a chuck carr :) |
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| 01:24.14 | BadMan | abrotman: didnt try that will give it a shot |
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| 01:24.24 | spowers | i am attempting to use pam_group to control access to a service (ftpd) and it seems to be failing to do its job |
| 01:24.34 | Shockwav3 | stupid question, but i'm downloading the ia64 debian cds via jigdo, is there any checksum file for the individual files on the dvd? |
| 01:24.47 | thoron | dondelelcaro, /etc/rcS.d/S40hostname.sh will do it just after /etc/rcS.d/S39ifupdown. |
| 01:24.53 | abrotman | Shockwav3: before you continue .. what kind of CPU ? |
| 01:24.55 | ateoh211 | is there a howto setup ssh-krb5 to handle gssapi-with-mic authentication with forward krb tickets using ssh2? |
| 01:25.02 | Shockwav3 | amd64 3500+ |
| 01:25.08 | abrotman | Shockwav3: tha'ts not ia64 |
| 01:25.09 | Wyzard | Shockwav3: Just check the md5sum of the iso |
| 01:25.12 | abrotman | !tell Shockwav3 about amd64 |
| 01:25.19 | Shockwav3 | ugh |
| 01:25.30 | thoron | dondelelcaro, I and why would I need a entry in /etc/hosts when all data is DNS? |
| 01:25.34 | Wyzard | Shockwav3: Actually, jigdo checks the md5sum for you |
| 01:25.41 | metaperl | on a laptop are the ifup and ifdown commands used and somehow pointed to /etc/pcmcia/network.opts? |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | it honestly amazes me how many people don't know that amd64 isn't ia64 |
| 01:25.46 | Shockwav3 | mkay |
| 01:25.47 | WhildGurl | anyone know where ipchains is under 2.6.x? |
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| 01:25.48 | spowers | where should i go to get help with linux-pam? |
| 01:25.58 | abrotman | WhildGurl: gone .. use iptables |
| 01:26.10 | WhildGurl | ok.. well iptable then |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | it's there |
| 01:26.23 | dondelelcaro | thoron: because DNS servers don't always work |
| 01:26.29 | WhildGurl | under networking? |
| 01:26.29 | Shockwav3 | what's ia64 then? just out of interest |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/iptables/* .. read them |
| 01:26.33 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 01:26.34 | dpkg | from memory, ia64 is the new Intel Architecture, "Itanium", which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II , see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/. |
| 01:26.34 | dondelelcaro | thoron: and you'll need to be able to get the FQDN from /etc/hosts anyway |
| 01:26.55 | gil | setting up dual monitors: mouse can travel through screens but both show the same, and one doesn't respond to mouse clicks - is it driver error, or KDE issue? |
| 01:27.05 | WhildGurl | nooo noo.. when doing a custom kernel |
| 01:27.21 | WhildGurl | I can't find it in the menu |
| 01:27.23 | thoron | dondelelcaro, if DNS server won't work, so won't mail delivery either. |
| 01:27.24 | ateoh211 | !gssapi |
| 01:27.37 | liable | WhildGurl: networking, then in a submenu somewhere. |
| 01:28.15 | BadMan | abrotman: trying mirrors.kernel.org so far at least it is not waiting to test apt sources seems to be working |
| 01:28.27 | Shockwav3 | okay, i'm a dumbass then |
| 01:28.34 | abrotman | BadMan: yay |
| 01:28.57 | BadMan | so far its been some ordeal trying to get this thing going a just a desktop enviroment... |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | BadMan: preferred DE ? |
| 01:29.19 | BadMan | yeah ist for wife and kid |
| 01:29.30 | abrotman | i'm asking you what your preferred DE is |
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| 01:29.33 | ateoh211 | is there anyone here who has had success with gssapi-with-mic authentication as applied to ssh2? |
| 01:29.38 | metaperl | Are these good network settings for a laptop using a PCMCIA interface to a cable/dsl router? http://paste.debian.net/1365 |
| 01:29.38 | BadMan | kde but i dont mind gnome |
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| 01:29.53 | abrotman | BadMan: apt-get install x-window-system kde(or gnome) |
| 01:30.04 | asg | WhildGurl: look for 'Netfilter Configuration' |
| 01:30.22 | Exit83 | metaperl: yes |
| 01:30.31 | Exit83 | metaperl: but why did you use .30?? |
| 01:30.40 | thoron | OK, I moved script to /etc/network/if-up.d/hostname. |
| 01:30.42 | BadMan | I have it all dl'd from the base-config still but it just cannot seem to complete and installation wihtout hanging producing a line with grep: blah bla bla bla |
| 01:30.47 | Exit83 | do you have 28 machines in use already? |
| 01:30.54 | metaperl | Exit83: just a random choice... anything better? |
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| 01:31.22 | WhildGurl | asg go it |
| 01:31.26 | WhildGurl | *got |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | !beer asg |
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| 01:31.31 | Exit83 | metaperl: i use mine in good order 1.1 for the gateway and then .2 for the most important machine and so on |
| 01:31.34 | asg | abrotman: evening |
| 01:31.40 | abrotman | asg: when's vacation? :) |
| 01:31.43 | nylon_ | lo |
| 01:31.46 | nylon_ | anyone know how and where to make a site alias for a folder in /var/www ? |
| 01:31.50 | Exit83 | metaperl once you have some extra stuff added this way you can find them easily on the network |
| 01:31.52 | metaperl | Exit83: yes, it was initiailly .3 |
| 01:31.53 | asg | abrotman: hopefully in a few weeks |
| 01:31.54 | nylon_ | apache? |
| 01:32.04 | metaperl | Exit83: but eth0 was not configured using those settings... |
| 01:32.05 | Exit83 | metaperl its just a tip, it aint required or so |
| 01:32.10 | asg | nylon_: have you asked in #apache yet? |
| 01:32.13 | abrotman | asg: you seem to have been quiet lately .. is spoopin not helping at the office ? |
| 01:32.13 | nylon_ | or am i in the wrong place to ask |
| 01:32.34 | nylon_ | asg: ok, i'll try there, thanks |
| 01:32.39 | asg | abrotman: I've been busy with (bleh) paperwork. |
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| 01:33.13 | Exit83 | metaperl: using the netmask 255.255.255.0 makes all the numbers betweet .1 and .255 useable |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | asg: ewwww ... isn't that why you hired an underling ? |
| 01:33.25 | metaperl | dpkg says to use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts for laptops but does not say how to point a configure tool towards this... |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | Exit83: 254 |
| 01:33.26 | FieldySnuts | .255 would NOT be usable. it is broadcast. |
| 01:33.41 | Exit83 | abrotman: i said between :d |
| 01:33.44 | asg | abrotman: he's working for our Network Administrator; he's not my underling (due to conflict of interest) |
| 01:33.48 | Exit83 | i said BETWEEN |
| 01:33.49 | abrotman | Exit83: then 1 is usable |
| 01:33.51 | FieldySnuts | no you didn't, you said "betweet" whatever that means |
| 01:33.53 | Exit83 | 1 is gateway |
| 01:33.57 | Exit83 | i dont count that |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | that is usable .. and used |
| 01:34.02 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Exit83 |
| 01:34.03 | dpkg | Exit83: hi every1 who uses gnome thx |
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| 01:34.07 | abrotman | your gateway could be 101 .. |
| 01:34.17 | abrotman | asg: hire me! |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.24 | Exit83 | i was explaining in his case |
| 01:34.43 | abrotman | like .. no duh :) |
| 01:34.48 | FieldySnuts | what evahh. |
| 01:34.49 | Exit83 | :p |
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| 01:35.01 | asg | abrotman: I currently only have one underling (myself) so it's kind of an odd incestuous relationship. |
| 01:35.17 | BadMan | screw it this grep: /scrollkeeped thing is driving me nuts starting over |
| 01:35.23 | toresbe | How do I get the 2.6.13-rc3 sources? |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | asg: how does the delegation work there ? |
| 01:35.36 | abrotman | toresbe: from kernel.org .. |
| 01:35.37 | Exit83 | toersbe => kernel;org? |
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| 01:35.46 | toresbe | What do I need to patch the rc3 against? |
| 01:35.57 | nylon | lo |
| 01:35.59 | FieldySnuts | 2.6.12 |
| 01:36.02 | asg | abrotman: I work on things I know need doing while fighting off upper management. |
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| 01:36.08 | toresbe | The first was badly phrased, apologees |
| 01:36.11 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: thanks |
| 01:36.14 | nylon | oops,, sory |
| 01:36.15 | asg | abrotman: then I delegate myself to the pub |
| 01:36.38 | abrotman | asg: and then the wife delegates you home :) |
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| 01:36.59 | asg | abrotman: yes, but I have a special dispensation. |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:37.29 | asg | abrotman: if I come home in {code,work}-head, I get set back to the pub until I'm a normal person again. |
| 01:37.43 | abrotman | asg: that's better than the shed |
| 01:37.51 | asg | abrotman: indeed |
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| 01:38.09 | abrotman | asg: i don't think i really have that problem |
| 01:38.17 | abrotman | i go home .. and work goes away :) |
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| 01:38.28 | asg | abrotman: :) |
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| 01:38.47 | abrotman | asg: works well for me .. |
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| 01:38.56 | abrotman | asg: maybe you should pick up .. rollerblading :) |
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| 01:39.06 | asg | abrotman: yeah, the context switch for me is hell so it takes a bit of time. |
| 01:39.24 | cello | does the kernel in sarge include framebuffer support? |
| 01:39.29 | asg | abrotman: I have an equillibrium imbalance; rollerblading is right out. Walking is bad enough. |
| 01:39.50 | maher | asg: tie a large weight to the other side ofyou |
| 01:39.57 | abrotman | asg: tricycle! |
| 01:40.06 | asg | abrotman: training wheels, there you go. |
| 01:40.12 | corfe | cello: I believe so, just load the appropriate module for your video card |
| 01:40.14 | abrotman | asg: not me .. you :) |
| 01:40.30 | asg | maher: in theory. Getting the balance right is the tough part. |
| 01:40.33 | BadMan | kinda glad I started over forgot to use boot param linux26 noticed at one point it said kernel 2.4.... |
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| 01:41.20 | asg | abrotman: 'there you go' -- colloquial term for 'capital idea' |
| 01:41.24 | corfe | cello: what video card do you have, and what are you trying to get working? |
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| 01:42.00 | cello | corfe: i have a chips and technologies card and I am trying to get a framebuffer going for directvnc |
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| 01:42.31 | abrotman | asg: you mean .. for stupid people! |
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| 01:42.40 | abrotman | i know what colloquial means! |
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| 01:43.11 | corfe | cello: Can you get a more specific name / brand of your card from lspci (you may need to run it as root)? |
| 01:43.19 | SteveBallmer | stupid thing |
| 01:43.21 | alan_k | a phase or sentence used commonly in a comunity or country, which may not be understood outside.. |
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| 01:43.42 | d0ug | i'm fixin' to embed a mp3 (or ogg..) player into a web page on my deb server so to hear my band's tracks people don't just click mp3 links and def get it streamed.. where should i start looking? |
| 01:43.43 | cello | corfe: connor open /proc/bus/pci |
| 01:43.43 | corfe | cello: I have no experience with directvnc, but I can at least try to help you find the module for framebuffer support, and hopefully that will solve your problem |
| 01:43.43 | asg | alan_k: he's in Philly though, there may be different rules |
| 01:43.50 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 01:44.02 | abrotman | d0ug: #web |
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| 01:44.06 | corfe | cello: try as root, or run "sudo lspci" if you have sudo |
| 01:44.07 | d0ug | abrotman: ty |
| 01:44.25 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. we have different rules .. no sauce on your cheesesteak! |
| 01:44.26 | d0ug | abrotman: notice how the question was where to look and not completely OT :) |
| 01:44.34 | cello | corfe: i am root :| |
| 01:44.36 | DB_ | The package lists are out of sync with the archive servers? |
| 01:44.42 | levander | Anybody in here is using udftools? Do I have to patch the 2.6.9 kernel to use that? |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | d0ug: huh ? |
| 01:44.43 | asg | abrotman: other than the whizz |
| 01:44.55 | abrotman | asg: i meant pizza sauce |
| 01:44.55 | corfe | cello: oh - hmm |
| 01:44.57 | shock__ | so my best bet would be going with the i386 release til there's an official amd64 release? or can anyone confirm how well the amd64 release of sarge works |
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| 01:45.09 | abrotman | shock__: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 01:45.16 | shock__ | will do |
| 01:45.16 | DB_ | pool/main/x/xorg-x11/x11-common_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_all.deb doesn't exist on ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 01:45.27 | asg | abrotman: nasty. |
| 01:45.29 | d0ug | abrotman: bad joke nm |
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| 01:45.47 | abrotman | asg: what is ? |
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| 01:46.00 | abrotman | asg: with the pizza sauce or without ? |
| 01:46.01 | corfe | cello: Can you cd to /proc/bus/pci manually? |
| 01:46.04 | asg | abrotman: pizza sauce on cheesesteak |
| 01:46.17 | abrotman | asg: it's not horrible .. but it's gotta be in moderation |
| 01:46.19 | corfe | cello: do all those directories exist? Does one deny you access when you cd directly, or not exist? |
| 01:46.27 | cello | corfe: no such folder as pci |
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| 01:46.33 | abrotman | asg: like .. basically .. the amount of ketchup you'd put on a hotdog :) |
| 01:46.33 | Anders | can someone tell me why unstable is frozen? |
| 01:46.39 | abrotman | Anders: it's not |
| 01:46.50 | Anders | well, there has been no changes really abec0 |
| 01:46.52 | Anders | abrotman * |
| 01:46.53 | asg | Anders: /topic |
| 01:47.03 | abrotman | asg: not in the topic anymore |
| 01:47.05 | corfe | cello: hmm |
| 01:47.07 | cello | corfe: i am using a laptop with inbuilt gfx card |
| 01:47.09 | corfe | cello: what sort of system are you on? |
| 01:47.09 | Anders | what did the topic say? |
| 01:47.17 | FieldySnuts | geez |
| 01:47.17 | corfe | cello: ah - is it an old laptop? |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | Anders: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html |
| 01:47.32 | Anders | thanks |
| 01:47.33 | cello | corfe: probably, 1997 or something |
| 01:47.37 | asg | Anders: that there were not updates for etch and sarge do to newraff and newsamosa being moved to a new hosting provider. |
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| 01:47.50 | corfe | cello: perhaps it doesn't have pci |
| 01:47.52 | asg | s/not/no/ |
| 01:47.54 | abrotman | uhm |
| 01:47.55 | abrotman | !news |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:48.05 | abrotman | !tell me about news |
| 01:48.06 | corfe | cello: just a guess, at that time pci was pretty new, and maybe they didn't put it on laptops |
| 01:48.14 | corfe | cello: (some laptops) |
| 01:48.14 | asg | abrotman: bot news was done away with years ago |
| 01:48.16 | abrotman | ok . |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | asg: no ... |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | asg: try it |
| 01:48.39 | corfe | cello: what folders exist in /proc/bus ? |
| 01:48.49 | asg | abrotman: besides being 185 days out of date? |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | asg: that would be useful for us to put stuff in |
| 01:48.56 | abrotman | asg: like .. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html |
| 01:48.57 | cello | corfe: just usb and pcmcia |
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| 01:49.14 | asg | abrotman: news was abandoned by the ops in favor of the /topic and general larting and smiting. |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | asg: it works so well :) |
| 01:49.45 | d0ug | abrotman: sorry to ask this in this channel but it's security related and this is the smartest channel: can flash .swf files contain malware to F up a viewer's box, any platform? |
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| 01:49.54 | corfe | cello: maybe try a regular VGA or SVGA module, let me see what some are called |
| 01:50.01 | corfe | cello: are you in X right now, or console? |
| 01:50.04 | asg | abrotman: the larting and smiting is. |
| 01:50.09 | BadMan | hmm this is getting odd hanging kernel panics try passing init= option messages what in the worl is going on! |
| 01:50.13 | cello | no, but X works ok with the chips driver |
| 01:50.16 | abrotman | d0ug: i'm not sure .. and that's more suited to #web also |
| 01:50.24 | asg | d0ug: if the viewer is badly written, quite possibly. |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | asg: but we have no sidsmite |
| 01:50.28 | cello | corfe: console |
| 01:50.28 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 01:50.30 | abrotman | !sidsmite asg |
| 01:50.34 | abrotman | fuck |
| 01:50.35 | asg | we do |
| 01:50.40 | d0ug | ok.. |
| 01:50.45 | abrotman | !fubar asg |
| 01:50.55 | abrotman | we should make fubar be like the news :) |
| 01:51.01 | asg | !foobar abrotman |
| 01:51.02 | d0ug | but you gotta admit abrot, this is the smartest channel |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | when sid breaks .. put breakage noticese in there :) |
| 01:51.03 | dpkg | bar abrotman |
| 01:51.07 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | fuck |
| 01:51.09 | FieldySnuts | !insult apt |
| 01:51.10 | dpkg | apt is nothing but an hugger-muggered puddle of spongy bug spit |
| 01:51.17 | abrotman | dpkg: asshole |
| 01:51.18 | dpkg | BillGates: You're being summoned, Dark Lord. |
| 01:51.23 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 01:51.27 | corfe | cello: it looks like there is a "chips 69000" driver in the kernel, but it's not compilable as a module |
| 01:52.00 | cello | ah.. i am using chips 65548 |
| 01:52.05 | click_ | Anyone installed the apache-1.3.x Frontpage2002 extensions successfully on sarge? |
| 01:52.21 | corfe | cello: you could also try the VGA 16-color support (if that sounds decent enough for what you want), vga16fb . You might need to just send the correct parameters to your kernel on bootup to enable it. |
| 01:52.31 | abrotman | this is worse than sunday |
| 01:52.34 | corfe | cello: do you use lilo, or grub? |
| 01:52.38 | metaperl | I figured out my problem. The PCMCIA card has two slots and my dongle fits in either... I had it in the wrong one! |
| 01:52.50 | cello | grub. editing line now |
| 01:53.07 | cello | i tired vesafb but i only got limited console modes |
| 01:53.35 | click_ | abrotman: sundays are my favourite day, don't diss sundays (only day i've got time to get -properly- drunk) |
| 01:53.45 | asg | click_: is there a specific problem you are having or are you just asking in general? |
| 01:54.19 | d0ug | click_: consider the install_registry.reg trick so people can upload with right clicks |
| 01:54.24 | abrotman | click_: that doesn't help me |
| 01:54.33 | litage | does the order of entries in /etc/fstab matter? |
| 01:54.37 | asg | litage: no |
| 01:54.37 | corfe | cello: cool. I'm glad you know how, 'cause I don't remember. |
| 01:54.38 | DB_ | Can someone confirm that x11-common_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_all.deb is MIA? |
| 01:54.41 | litage | thanks asg |
| 01:54.52 | asg | !info x11-common sid |
| 01:54.58 | dpkg | x11-common: (X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 876 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB |
| 01:55.04 | corfe | cello: you may want to try adding vesafb to your /etc/modules, if your card supports VESA framebuffer |
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| 01:55.31 | DB_ | asg: 1-4 isn't in the repository, though |
| 01:55.32 | d0ug | If i got a mission critical prog that seems br0ked, how can i get apt to repair it without un/reinstalling it? in this case, gzip? |
| 01:55.37 | cello | corfe: fyi you can hit 'e' at grub boot to edit the parameters if you wish |
| 01:55.49 | DB_ | asg: ...it's not on ftp.us.debian.org, anyway...Or incoming. |
| 01:56.04 | d0ug | can't apt-get update no more |
| 01:56.17 | corfe | cello: cool, I'll have to try that next time |
| 01:56.30 | asg | DB_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fx%2Fxorg-x11%2Fx11-common_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_all.deb&md5sum=869fff22c1f6e90fad5b5998e318f04e&arch=all&type=main |
| 01:56.43 | d0ug | is there an apt-get repair apt-system thing out there? |
| 01:57.11 | asg | DB_: if it isn't there, then there is likely still an issue with newraff and newsamosa |
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| 01:57.35 | corfe | d0ug: put your debian 2000 service pack 4 CD in the drive, reformat, and reinstall, that's your best hope |
| 01:57.48 | asg | DB_: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/x11-common_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4_all.deb (was downloadable though) |
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| 01:57.51 | cello | damn, are vga16fb and vesafb the only framebuffer drivers available to me ?__? |
| 01:57.55 | corfe | d0ug: just kidding of course |
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| 01:58.12 | d0ug | corfe: lol |
| 01:58.13 | corfe | I don't see any others that look close in my make menuconfig |
| 01:58.26 | corfe | d0ug: what's apt say when you try to update? |
| 01:58.35 | d0ug | corfe: this is a #flood thing ... |
| 01:58.36 | click_ | asg: specific problem actually - installed apache, then hammered in both the fp50-extension and the libapache-mod-frontpage-mirfak package, followed the install procedure, and are now pestered with a bloody not-quite-working-as-espected FP-implementation. Missing graphics, errors in apache logs etc etc (the errors are mostly "web root owned by privileged user", and some others as well, but those were resolved by setting the dirs browsable et |
| 01:59.00 | abrotman | my debian accidentally installed suse |
| 01:59.02 | corfe | d0ug: I'm new to IRC. Do I join #flood to see your error output? |
| 01:59.11 | d0ug | yes |
| 01:59.23 | corfe | d0ug: I'm there, shoot |
| 01:59.39 | asg | click_: any information in /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-frontpage-mirfak regarding issues, warnings, or post-install config? |
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| 02:00.44 | weilawei | http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1261 <- The Hacker's Prayer ? |
| 02:01.17 | click_ | asg: only the standard "enable the frontpage-adminwebs" etc. All followed, all checked, and still having the "web root owned by priv..."-problem |
| 02:02.47 | cello | god i just love it when it takes 2 minutes every startup to calculate the module dependencies |
| 02:02.48 | click_ | starting to think some settings in the package are a bit off, like the FP_UID-settings (which implements "i refuse to work if apache or the web owner has a lower than this uid"-checking) |
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| 02:03.50 | click_ | about to embark on a small headbanging-trip in a few, cleaning the entire test-server, installing base, install apache and the mods, then test again |
| 02:05.10 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 02:05.12 | litage | if you mount a filesystem as nosuid, noexec, and nodev, is `mount -l` supposed to list those options? |
| 02:05.17 | click_ | asg: so the main question is more or less if just someone has gotten the packages to work, as I'm seriously missing out on something :) |
| 02:05.33 | Anders | abrotman, file a bug ;-) |
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| 02:05.48 | cello | when the something awful front page has been updated before you go to bed then you know you are up too late |
| 02:06.05 | metaperl | this gentoo-mockery page is hilarioius: http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | Anders: about what ? |
| 02:06.20 | abrotman | metaperl: yes .. we know |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | !funrollloops |
| 02:06.28 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | !listkeys funroll |
| 02:06.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'funroll' by key (2): funroll-loops ;; unroll funroll-loops. |
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| 02:06.40 | asg | metaperl: we've known about that for quite a while now |
| 02:07.06 | click_ | asg: reinstalling takes me about an hour or two and isn't that much of a problem, but hammering down the system for something i could fix without reinstall, or verifying that is works for others would be nice :) |
| 02:07.14 | abrotman | asg: the beer will warm! |
| 02:07.21 | click_ | s/is/it |
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| 02:07.42 | doug_ | ok corfe |
| 02:07.49 | asg | abrotman: it's just a noisy fan but if it doesn't get fixed, mrs. asg is going to be pissed |
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| 02:08.00 | abrotman | asg: you have fans in your fridge? |
| 02:08.16 | mdh | asg: warm beer isn't going to get her pissed |
| 02:08.18 | corfe | doug_: one moment |
| 02:08.23 | doug_ | np |
| 02:08.31 | abrotman | mdh: warm beer will make her piss :) |
| 02:08.31 | click_ | the ventfan for the engine |
| 02:08.42 | gil | is there a keyword "relationship" or "Interaction" in X config file? |
| 02:09.02 | corfe | doug_: ok, I'm not sure what the problem is |
| 02:09.02 | mdh | gil: highly unlikely |
| 02:09.06 | corfe | doug_: but the first thing I think of |
| 02:09.16 | ttj | what configures which device is called what (like, my wlan is called eth0, my ethernetadapter is called eth1 and so on)? |
| 02:09.18 | doug_ | apparently i can still install stuff, corfe |
| 02:09.22 | doug_ | the gzip error seems incidental |
| 02:09.24 | corfe | doug_: if the problem was sudden and unexpected, do you have free disk space on your main drive? run "df" to check |
| 02:09.33 | corfe | doug_: ok, I guess disk space isn't the problem then |
| 02:09.50 | corfe | doug_: does your /etc/apt/sources.list really have duplicate entries like it says? |
| 02:09.52 | doug_ | 37% used |
| 02:09.52 | abrotman | ttj: luck |
| 02:10.01 | ttj | apparently |
| 02:10.03 | ttj | :/ |
| 02:10.05 | doug_ | i have no idea why it would but hang on |
| 02:10.19 | gil | I'm sure I saw something like: Screen "Screen1" Interaction "Screen2" but I can't google again to where I found it |
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| 02:10.20 | abrotman | !info ifrename sarge |
| 02:10.24 | abrotman | ttj: ^ |
| 02:10.26 | abrotman | err |
| 02:10.33 | corfe | doug_: has your system crashed recently? Do you use a journaled filesystem? |
| 02:10.33 | dpkg | ifrename: (Rename network interfaces based on various static criteria), section net, is extra. Version: 27-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 02:10.34 | abrotman | ttj: ^ |
| 02:10.52 | bob2 | various static criteria? |
| 02:10.57 | ttj | umm |
| 02:10.59 | bob2 | doesn't it just use the MAC address? |
| 02:10.59 | gil | or maybe Screen Screen1 relationship screen2 or something |
| 02:11.03 | abrotman | bob2: dunno . i've never used it |
| 02:11.04 | doug_ | well how about that.. corfe: yeah, got a dupe |
| 02:11.08 | doug_ | removed it |
| 02:11.11 | ttj | thanks, abrotman |
| 02:11.11 | doug_ | no crashes |
| 02:11.21 | corfe | doug_: well, that's one problem solved I guess |
| 02:11.30 | doug_ | checking if it works |
| 02:11.34 | corfe | doug_: alright |
| 02:11.36 | doug_ | bam |
| 02:11.37 | doug_ | it worked |
| 02:11.39 | doug_ | THANKS |
| 02:11.48 | doug_ | now for apt-get update ;) |
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| 02:11.55 | doug_ | i mean upgrade |
| 02:12.02 | corfe | doug_: awesome! |
| 02:12.06 | doug_ | Next time i'll just read the error message :) |
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| 02:12.12 | abrotman | oh .. there's an idea |
| 02:12.16 | corfe | doug_: it's ok, we all do it sometimes :P |
| 02:12.44 | doug_ | yeah well i gotta protect my rep as k-rad elite oldschool dude on this channel, you know? so keep this on the dl |
| 02:12.50 | doug_ | where my +o at |
| 02:12.53 | corfe | doug_: heheh |
| 02:13.47 | abrotman | wait .. is this the same doug as .. uhm .. let me find it |
| 02:13.59 | abrotman | !qotd6 |
| 02:13.59 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
| 02:14.06 | stew | ha |
| 02:14.16 | abrotman | stew: you knew it was coming! |
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| 02:14.37 | stew | no, i had forgotten |
| 02:14.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | !qotd |
| 02:14.47 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 02:14.49 | doug_ | yo dpkg you totally hacked that quote! |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:14.51 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 02:14.51 | doug_ | heh |
| 02:15.06 | corfe | !beer me |
| 02:15.24 | doug_ | abrotman: you got a good memory |
| 02:15.25 | stew | abrotman: is it crazy hot up there too? |
| 02:15.34 | abrotman | doug_: i thought you were in buffalo |
| 02:15.41 | abrotman | stew: i like heat .. i was out riding yesterday :) |
| 02:15.45 | Xenguy | !beer me |
| 02:15.47 | stew | nutz |
| 02:15.49 | doug_ | was upstate in saratoga |
| 02:15.53 | Xenguy | oh yeah :P |
| 02:15.59 | abrotman | stew: after getting like .. 3-4 hours of sleep the night before .. and going to work :) |
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| 02:16.07 | stew | abrotman: i'm actually in south carolina this week, aparantly today was the hottest in a few years |
| 02:16.09 | gil | oh I'm so stupid |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | stew: i didn't go long .. but i hadn't been out in a while |
| 02:16.24 | stew | abrotman: i haven't been on a bike in like 3 weeks becuase i can't handle the heat |
| 02:16.34 | gil | "relationships" is an example word for "RightOf" or "LeftOf" etc |
| 02:16.34 | stew | i've been on a treadmill in air conditioning instead |
| 02:16.38 | stew | untill this week... |
| 02:16.40 | abrotman | stew: my calf muscle feels a bit odd .. i wanted to go again today .. but the rain hammered the area about 2 minutes after i got in the door |
| 02:16.41 | stew | ^ll&l |
| 02:16.55 | litage | what's the difference between the "async" and "sync" options when mounting a filesystem? |
| 02:17.01 | abrotman | litage: man mount |
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| 02:17.05 | saboteur | hey, i've created a custom kernel image and i've built debian-installer (miniiso) but when it goes to boot it says it can't mount the root fs :( |
| 02:17.11 | abrotman | litage: hint .. one is slow :) |
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| 02:17.20 | litage | abrotman: the manpages don't explain what synchronous and asynchronous actually do |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | litage: yes they do |
| 02:17.36 | litage | abrotman: not my manpages then. i've read through them |
| 02:17.43 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | litage: man mount .. /sync |
| 02:18.05 | litage | abrotman: that doesn't explain what "done synchronously" means |
| 02:18.05 | abrotman | or scroll to the -o section |
| 02:18.10 | stew | litage: sync == no caching == safer, async == caching == faster |
| 02:18.15 | abrotman | litage: uhm .. use a dictionary ? :) |
| 02:18.19 | litage | thank you stew |
| 02:18.39 | litage | abrotman: obviously a dictionary wouldn't help in this case because sync/async have specific meanings in this context |
| 02:18.42 | abrotman | litage: sync is really pretty slow ... |
| 02:18.45 | stew | litage: sync most often used with stuff like floppies and usb drives that might be yanked out suddenly |
| 02:18.58 | abrotman | litage: i mean .. wait .. really slow :) |
| 02:19.18 | abrotman | litage: like .. if you had a webserver .. and mounted /var/log sync .. it would be very painful |
| 02:19.37 | abrotman | or a .. ick .. db server |
| 02:19.37 | litage | ah i see. thanks |
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| 02:20.23 | mdh | stew: sync is bad with usb flash keys... wears them out |
| 02:20.27 | abrotman | litage: every thing that would normally be written to disk .. happens immediately .. so even little writes .. immediately |
| 02:20.41 | SavannahLion | howdie guys |
| 02:20.54 | litage | since 'defaults' sets rw, suid, dev, xec, ..., does that mean that if you want to change a single one of those options, say mount with noexec instead, you have to forgo "defaults" and write all of the options? |
| 02:21.15 | abrotman | litage: you can say noexec iirc |
| 02:21.17 | abrotman | or nosuid |
| 02:21.22 | abrotman | or ro etc .. man mount |
| 02:21.25 | litage | abrotman: can you say "defaults,noexec" though? |
| 02:21.30 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:21.48 | luminerd | Hello |
| 02:22.09 | litage | thanks |
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| 02:22.20 | luminerd | I just plugged in my ethernet cable into a Debian-Edu machine...I'm not able to get on the net...what steps need I take"? |
| 02:22.23 | abrotman | litage: everything make sense now ? |
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| 02:22.36 | abrotman | luminerd: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 02:23.05 | mhall | How do I get X.Org to let me connect root's X windows to a non-root X server? xhost +127.0.0.1 and export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1 and copying .Xauthority to root's homedir did not work. Those usually worked on XF86... |
| 02:23.18 | litage | abrotman: aye |
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| 02:23.39 | luminerd | abrotman, thanks, but didnt' work |
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| 02:23.48 | luminerd | says failed to bring up eth0. done. |
| 02:23.50 | stew | mhall: DISPLAY=127.0.0.1 ? or DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0 ? |
| 02:23.56 | stew | or just :0 |
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| 02:24.06 | stew | fuck xhost |
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| 02:24.22 | mhall | Sorry to repeat. Connection glitch... How do I get X.Org to let me connect root's X windows to a non-root X server? xhost +127.0.0.1 and export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1 and copying .Xauthority to root's homedir did not work. Those usually worked on XF86... |
| 02:24.42 | litage | in /etc/fstab what are the <dump> and <pass> parameters? |
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| 02:24.56 | abrotman | litage: man fstab |
| 02:24.59 | mhall | litage: OK dump is the numeric order in which to do backups |
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| 02:25.05 | abrotman | luminerd: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 02:25.05 | Phroziac | eh, i hate to ask this many questions in one day, but, i'm doing an apt-get dist-upgrade off the cd set. (im on disc 1). it ended with some errors, is that just because it needs another disc, or because there's actually a problem? I always used apt repositories before. |
| 02:25.13 | mhall | litage: pass is the numeric order in which to do fsck runs |
| 02:25.16 | Phroziac | i can put the errors on pastebin if you want. |
| 02:25.20 | luminerd | abrotman, nothing returned |
| 02:25.30 | mhall | litage: the idea is to parallelize different disks and serialize identical disks |
| 02:25.32 | abrotman | luminerd: card not detected |
| 02:25.36 | abrotman | luminerd: or is it wlan ? |
| 02:25.39 | luminerd | abrotman, crap. |
| 02:25.41 | luminerd | I have no clue |
| 02:25.48 | luminerd | My laptop connects to wlan |
| 02:25.54 | luminerd | same router |
| 02:25.55 | abrotman | luminerd: dmesg | grep -i wlan |
| 02:25.56 | mhall | litage: i.e. do both hda* and hdb* in parallel but don't do different partitions on hda* in parallel |
| 02:25.56 | SavannahLion | Whenever I want to visit sites like http://www.avasys.jp, I get junk. I tried installing the xfonts packages I figure I need, but it's still showing junk |
| 02:26.04 | luminerd | abec0, still nada |
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| 02:26.12 | SavannahLion | What am I missing? |
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| 02:26.26 | litage | mhall: ah i see. thanks |
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| 02:26.41 | luminerd | err, abrotman sorry |
| 02:26.41 | mhall | litage: please double check the man page |
| 02:26.43 | abrotman | a sane browser |
| 02:26.50 | abrotman | luminerd: yeah .. you need to find a driver for your nic |
| 02:26.50 | mhall | litage: in case i left out a detail or three |
| 02:27.07 | luminerd | abrotman, ...that sucks. I thought it auto-detected when it started up |
| 02:27.11 | FarrisG | Any idea why suddenly CTRL+ALT+<function key> outputs characters PQRS, etc. instead of what it should do? |
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| 02:27.20 | luminerd | err, not when it started up, but when it installed the OS |
| 02:27.33 | litage | btw, it's safe to mount /tmp and /var with "defaults,nosuid,noexec,nodev", right? |
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| 02:28.38 | mhall | FarrisG: what proc architecture, what language, what changed recently |
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| 02:29.13 | FarrisG | mhall: 686, what language do you mean? (en-US) |
| 02:29.22 | mhall | FarrisG: ah ok |
| 02:29.46 | luminerd | abrotman, how would I find that? |
| 02:29.46 | mhall | FarrisG: well since it's keyboard related, i wanted to know what processor arch you had and what language of layout it was |
| 02:29.51 | abrotman | luminerd: lspci |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | luminerd: and google |
| 02:29.59 | mhall | FarrisG: reason being i had stuff like this happen on sparc |
| 02:30.16 | luminerd | abrotman, with slackware for example this is all automatic? |
| 02:30.39 | FarrisG | mhall: This is more or less a fresh installation. Is there some place I need to configure the type of keyboard I have? |
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| 02:31.05 | abrotman | luminerd: lspci .. and google .. |
| 02:31.11 | mhall | FarrisG: well that usually gets asked during install |
| 02:31.11 | abrotman | luminerd: i can't help if i don't know which nic |
| 02:31.24 | mhall | FarrisG: you can try again though just to be sure: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 02:31.25 | WhildGurl | anyone know that one-liner for nvidia cards? |
| 02:32.03 | luminerd | abrotman, lspci tells me 0000:02:08.0 Communication controller: Conexant: Unknown device 2f20 |
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| 02:32.34 | abrotman | luminerd: that's a modem .. |
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| 02:32.41 | abrotman | !tell WhildGurl about nvidia one liner |
| 02:32.45 | mhall | WhildGurl: oh grab the nvidia binary dump, give it a whacked out option like --foobaz, and you will get its help/usage |
| 02:32.45 | luminerd | abrotman, I did a grep nic that's what came up |
| 02:32.57 | abrotman | luminerd: like this |
| 02:32.59 | mhall | WhildGurl: then use what it says will uncompress the dump |
| 02:33.04 | abrotman | 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5901 100Base-TX (rev 01) |
| 02:33.06 | mhall | WhildGurl: go into the extracted dir, and run make |
| 02:33.09 | FarrisG | Hmmm |
| 02:33.28 | luminerd | I would love to paste my lspci in pastebin but if I could I wouldn't need to :P |
| 02:33.44 | mhall | luminerd: lol gpm will give you console mouse |
| 02:33.46 | FarrisG | This is very odd indeed. Even after reconfiguring console-data, when I do "CTRL+ALT+F1" I get a "P" instead of switching to tty0 |
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| 02:34.05 | luminerd | mhall, huh |
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| 02:34.17 | luminerd | ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation: unknown device 0080 (rev a3) |
| 02:34.21 | DB_ | Having some trouble using pbuilder to build a package.. Getting this error: dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `-0.10.diff'. How can I get around this? |
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| 02:34.51 | dondelelcaro | DB_: that should be -0.10.diff.gz or similar; |
| 02:35.02 | luminerd | USB Controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0087 (rev a1) and the same thing device 0088 (rev a2) |
| 02:35.14 | luminerd | abrotman, are any of those the right one? |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | luminerd: are you sure there's a network card in the machine? .. how old is htis machine ? |
| 02:35.40 | DB_ | dondelelcaro: It is; The actual diff file is gzipped, and it's a .gz in the dsc file. |
| 02:35.47 | Cyis | abort: was able to get in under the Ubuntu AMD64 LiveCD... uninstalled the kernel-image and re-installed... rebooted and still no dice |
| 02:35.50 | dondelelcaro | DB_: can you build the source with dpkg-source -b? |
| 02:36.05 | luminerd | abrotman, brand new, bought yesterday, there are 24 of them so there damn well better be one. they told us it had a 10/100 network card |
| 02:36.09 | dondelelcaro | DB_: what is the name of the diff file? |
| 02:36.38 | luminerd | IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0085 (rev a3) |
| 02:36.48 | abrotman | luminerd: should be easy to tell .. look on the back .. see an rj45 jack ? |
| 02:37.13 | DB_ | dondelelcaro: php5_5.0.4-0.10.diff.gz |
| 02:37.14 | luminerd | rj45...uh...it has an ethernet |
| 02:37.15 | Wyzard | luminerd: Looking for your network interface in lspci? |
| 02:37.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: for the device |
| 02:37.32 | Wyzard | luminerd: The device description will begin with "Ethernet controller" |
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| 02:37.36 | deadcat | Cyis: your sony laptop looks really nice.. hows the bat life? sleeping/suspending ok? |
| 02:37.43 | Wyzard | luminerd: but that looks like an nForce board, and I think you need special drivers for those |
| 02:38.06 | abrotman | yay nvidia crap |
| 02:38.07 | luminerd | Wyzard, I think so heh |
| 02:38.09 | dondelelcaro | DB_: hrm... that looks fine... |
| 02:38.23 | luminerd | Wyzard, it is not there |
| 02:38.26 | DB_ | dondelelcaro: I get the same error with dpkg-source -x <dsc> |
| 02:38.33 | Wyzard | luminerd: No ethernet controller? |
| 02:38.38 | Wyzard | luminerd: Maybe it scrolled off the top of the screen? |
| 02:38.40 | luminerd | Wyzard, not in lspci |
| 02:38.41 | luminerd | nope |
| 02:39.08 | Wyzard | luminerd: Well, that's surprising |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | or disappointing depending how you look at it |
| 02:39.34 | dondelelcaro | DB_: basically what is happening is that the revision doesn't match the diff that you've got. |
| 02:39.48 | luminerd | Wyzard, abrotman, ...how can I find it if not with lspci? |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | luminerd: look on the back |
| 02:40.10 | DB_ | dondelelcaro: Actually...I can see how that would happen. I made some changes to the diff, but didn't bump the revision :-\ |
| 02:40.20 | luminerd | abrotman, ... |
| 02:40.27 | Cyis | deadcat: I can go about 4-5 hours on the bat |
| 02:40.29 | luminerd | abrotman, that won't help me :P I know what's there |
| 02:40.31 | Wyzard | luminerd: Maybe it's disabled in the BIOD |
| 02:40.32 | Wyzard | *BIOS |
| 02:40.44 | luminerd | Wyzard, how would I check? |
| 02:40.44 | litage | the Securing Debian HOWTO (http://tinyurl.com/cre3a) mentions /etc/checksecurity.conf and /usr/sbin/checksecurity, but neither of those exist on my system. where can i find them? |
| 02:40.45 | dondelelcaro | DB_: um... when you're using pbuilder, you just make changes to the source package; if you use pdebuild; it'll repack the source package for you. |
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| 02:40.50 | luminerd | reboot into bios and where in there? |
| 02:40.58 | dondelelcaro | DB_: no need to munge about with the diff and stuff. |
| 02:41.00 | Cyis | deadcat: I don't have it actually suspending... I have it setup to just dim the LCD when I close the lib |
| 02:41.01 | Wyzard | luminerd: Reboot, go into BIOS setup, look for a section called "integrated peripherals" or something like that |
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| 02:41.20 | DB_ | dondelelcaro: Is there a better/more automated way to make small changes to debian source packages and recompile as a .deb? Currently, I'm modifying the diff, then regzipping it and writing the new md5 to the dsc. |
| 02:41.23 | luminerd | Wyzard, ok it's there, what should I look for in here? |
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| 02:41.34 | deadcat | Cyis: wow. 4-5 is pretty good. |
| 02:41.36 | Wyzard | luminerd: See if there's an option for enabling the built-in Ethernet controller |
| 02:41.45 | dondelelcaro | DB_: just run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; then make the changes. then dpkg-source -b; |
| 02:41.48 | Cyis | deadcat: I have the double extended battery |
| 02:41.50 | DB_ | dondelelcaro: So, pbuilder will use the extracted directory if it exists? |
| 02:41.51 | luminerd | there's nothing that says ethernet, Wyzard |
| 02:42.05 | deadcat | Cyis: ah... |
| 02:42.07 | dondelelcaro | DB_: not pbuilder; pdebuild. |
| 02:42.08 | Cyis | I didn't opt for the quad |
| 02:42.15 | Wyzard | luminerd: Don't blindly look for an exact word. Is there anything regarding networking at all? |
| 02:42.19 | dondelelcaro | DB_: and rebuilding the source package doesn't take all that long |
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| 02:42.23 | Cyis | the originial single battery I had was lasting about an hour (it was 3-4 years old) |
| 02:42.26 | luminerd | only IDE, OnChip USB, USB mouse, ac97 audio, mac lan(nvidia), onboard serial port 1, onboard parallel port, and parallel port mode |
| 02:42.39 | Wyzard | luminerd: LAN... that's it |
| 02:42.51 | DB_ | dondelelcaro: Ah. Well, I'm using pbuilder so I don't pollute my system with a lot of unneeded packages. Does pdebuild work similarly? |
| 02:42.53 | Cyis | deadcat: right now the laptop is running better than my desktop |
| 02:43.14 | dondelelcaro | DB_: pdebuild is part of pbuilder; it's just a wrapper around pbuilder. |
| 02:43.25 | luminerd | Wyzard, it says mac lan (nVIDIA): [Auto] |
| 02:43.26 | DB_ | dondelelcaro: I see. I'll RTFM now. Thanks :) |
| 02:43.30 | deadcat | Cyis: damn. but is the keyboard too small? you have any action pictures of it? |
| 02:43.43 | Wyzard | luminerd: What are the other options besides auto? |
| 02:43.47 | luminerd | Wyzard, disabled |
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| 02:44.06 | abrotman | and is it ? |
| 02:44.13 | Cyis | deadcat: I'll have to take some pics... unfortunately right now digital camera battery needs to be replaced... fiance took *WAY* too many pics of our two cats |
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| 02:44.16 | Wyzard | luminerd: Then as a guess, "auto" probably means "enable only if another network card isn't installed" |
| 02:44.23 | Cyis | that and I'm trying to fix my workstation :) |
| 02:44.25 | Wyzard | luminerd: But if that's the case, then it should be showing up in lspci |
| 02:44.36 | Cyis | definately could get some at LWE :) |
| 02:44.41 | deadcat | Cyis: hahah. that sounds way too much. |
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| 02:44.54 | Wyzard | luminerd: It's also possible (though I'm still just guessing) that if you were to get the nForce networking driver and load it, it would work anyway |
| 02:45.11 | luminerd | Wyzard, where can I grab that driver? |
| 02:45.21 | Cyis | deadcat: yeah... for some reason after having a power-failure induced crash (compliments of fiance accidently kicking the button on the power strip)... LVM isn't registering properly |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | !nforce |
| 02:45.29 | dpkg | [nforce] a chipset made by nvidia. It is not (properly) supported in kernels older than 2.4.22. if you didn't know this and bought your hardware anyway, boo on you. |
| 02:45.31 | Wyzard | luminerd: It's also possible, though much less likely, that the Ethernet controller is physically defective |
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| 02:46.10 | luminerd | Wyzard, crap I hope that all my crud works with linux because if not I wasted $10,000 |
| 02:46.15 | tbx | why do I get "mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist", when it did exist at the most four days ago, and it certainly exists enough to boot from ten minutes ago...? |
| 02:46.35 | abrotman | !be a due diligence barbie |
| 02:46.36 | dpkg | Aww, due diligence is hard! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 02:46.38 | Wyzard | luminerd: What I'd do is try another OS on the system, such as Windows, and see if it's detected there.. if it is, then get the Linux driver and install it; if it isn't, exchange that board for a replacement |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | !win me |
| 02:46.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 02:47.02 | billions | congrats |
| 02:47.03 | billions | :P@ |
| 02:47.08 | luminerd | Wyzard, no windows disk. It also seems TONS quicker just to get the driver... |
| 02:47.12 | Cyis | luminerd: what does lspci state for it? I believe my AMD64 board has nForce chips on it |
| 02:47.18 | Wyzard | luminerd: OK, then try that first |
| 02:47.23 | tbx | my fstab entry looks like this [normal to me]: /dev/hdc /mnt/dvd iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 02:47.33 | luminerd | Cyis, that's why we're here, there's no lspci entry for it |
| 02:47.37 | Wyzard | luminerd: but if the driver doesn't work, you'll need to use some other OS to determine whether it's a Linux problem or a hardware problem |
| 02:47.50 | WhildGurl | how do I see which modules are active? |
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| 02:47.56 | Cyis | what does it show... was gonna try and compare to some of the "Unknown device" entries in my lspci output |
| 02:48.03 | deadcat | WhildGurl: lsmod? |
| 02:48.18 | Wyzard | luminerd: That's a good point... if you have "unknown device" entries, it *could* be one of those |
| 02:48.24 | abrotman | !pciids |
| 02:48.25 | dpkg | [pciids] run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 02:48.27 | WhildGurl | can lsmod be used to enable modules? |
| 02:48.40 | abrotman | which of course .. you need network for .. but .. you could copy the file with a frooppy |
| 02:48.41 | luminerd | Wyzard, I have tons I posted them man |
| 02:48.48 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 02:48.48 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
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| 02:48.59 | Cyis | luminerd: did you tried the forcedeth driver? |
| 02:49.06 | Wyzard | Anyway, my mouse battery is about to die... gotta go |
| 02:49.12 | luminerd | Cyis, no. |
| 02:49.16 | luminerd | I haven't tried anything |
| 02:49.17 | luminerd | by Wyzard |
| 02:49.18 | Cyis | description: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver |
| 02:49.20 | luminerd | thanks |
| 02:49.37 | Cyis | that's what I use |
| 02:49.42 | luminerd | dammit |
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| 02:49.49 | luminerd | I have no way to get the file to the computer |
| 02:49.54 | abrotman | nvidia sucks |
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| 02:50.01 | luminerd | 1 sec I'll move a bunch of hardware around -_- |
| 02:50.06 | luminerd | abrotman, shut up talkin bro |
| 02:50.12 | luminerd | lol |
| 02:50.12 | jdrake | Where does dpkg store the list of things installed? |
| 02:50.16 | Cyis | abrotman: than you'd hate my vid card as well as my mobo |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | luminerd: aw .. i sorry |
| 02:50.18 | luminerd | nVidia R00lz |
| 02:50.22 | abrotman | Cyis: i sure would |
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| 02:50.47 | abrotman | Cyis: i don't think i own/work on a single piece of equipment with nvidia crap .. and for a resason |
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| 02:51.23 | tbx | abrotman: how else do you suggest one have 3d acceleration in linux? Certainly not from an ATI card, no? |
| 02:51.24 | Cyis | unfortunately I found their dual-head cards to be some of the best which is why I use it to power my dual-head workstations at home and office |
| 02:51.25 | dondelelcaro | jdrake: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 02:51.31 | WhildGurl | I installed |
| 02:51.31 | WhildGurl | kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 02:51.43 | green_earz | jdrake: dpkg -l will list what installed if thats any help ? |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | tbx: why not .. my intel card also has 3d accel .. |
| 02:51.46 | Cyis | I would prefer their drivers be more open-source rather than binary-only |
| 02:51.50 | mangkaryo | hello everybody |
| 02:52.01 | libertine | hello |
| 02:52.09 | abrotman | tbx: i'd rather use an ati card than support a company that fucks all thier customers that dont' run windows |
| 02:52.10 | libertine | i have a questions |
| 02:52.11 | WhildGurl | I installed kernel-image-2.6-686-smp but when x tried to start now it returns a 'failed to load the Nvidia kernel module' any suggestions? |
| 02:52.19 | mtnman | cyis: "more open source" ? afaik, |
| 02:52.19 | luminerd | Cyis, where can I get the driver then? |
| 02:52.38 | abrotman | tbx: some stuff works .. some stuff doesn't .. they should have stuck to video cards |
| 02:52.48 | Cyis | mtnman: well they don't charge for the driver but it is binary-only |
| 02:52.49 | mtnman | afaik, "open source" is either true or not. |
| 02:52.52 | mangkaryo | is anyone have tried to install pgcluster-1.3.0c? |
| 02:53.08 | Cyis | luminerd: the forcedeth driver is in the 2.6 kernels |
| 02:53.14 | mtnman | cyis: free binary is not open source. (as you probably know) |
| 02:53.22 | luminerd | bloody fuckholes |
| 02:53.27 | Cyis | mtnman: yeah... that's my vice with nvidia |
| 02:53.29 | libertine | once i installed xpdf and some other debs,my debian's font was breezing |
| 02:53.32 | abrotman | !nsound |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | bah .. what is that again .. |
| 02:53.39 | libertine | what can i do to change my font |
| 02:53.39 | stew | !nvsound |
| 02:53.40 | dpkg | [nvsound] nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 02:53.42 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:53.44 | luminerd | :( |
| 02:53.47 | luminerd | I don |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | stew: i was close :) |
| 02:53.54 | luminerd | don't have time for all this shit |
| 02:54.05 | stew | abrotman: i only guessed based on your failure :) |
| 02:54.07 | mtnman | cyis: you are free to use a binary driver, however the phrase "more open source" is like saying "more pregnant". one either is or is not. |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:54.28 | Cyis | mtnman: semantics and politics... |
| 02:54.51 | mtnman | cyis: no, precise communication, which is essential to understanding (and being understood) |
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| 02:55.15 | luminerd | Cyis, so no other way? |
| 02:55.23 | luminerd | I have to compile a fucking kernel? |
| 02:55.38 | Cyis | luminerd: I woudln't expect a 2.4 kernel to add it... no reason when 2.6 has it |
| 02:55.42 | libertine | too many people,too disorderly |
| 02:55.58 | Cyis | or just install the kernel-image... use a USB flash drive to transport |
| 02:56.25 | luminerd | Cyis, I don't have time to compile a custom kernel! |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | now .. we see why we don't buy nvidia crap :) |
| 02:56.45 | Cyis | luminerd: grab the proper pre-built debian 2.6 kernel then |
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| 02:57.28 | luminerd | Cyis, there is one? |
| 02:57.39 | luminerd | I thought you had to make your own for your own hardware? |
| 02:57.41 | Cyis | abrotman: not an issue if you buy new hardware... use the latest version of software... why put a 2.4 kernel on new hardware |
| 02:57.46 | dafen | anyone tried to check madwifi via CVS from sourceforge? |
| 02:57.57 | dafen | I can't get their password and login |
| 02:58.03 | dafen | I meant check out |
| 02:58.13 | Cyis | luminerd: more than one actually... at least one for every arch Debian supports |
| 02:58.16 | abrotman | Cyis: it's always an issue:) |
| 02:58.16 | libertine | madwifi |
| 02:58.20 | foka | Hello all! |
| 02:58.37 | libertine | look at his websit |
| 02:58.42 | dafen | I did |
| 02:58.44 | libertine | Hello |
| 02:58.49 | luminerd | abrotman, nothing beats nvidia, and if linux doesn't support nvidia, then we now see why we don't use linux crap. |
| 02:58.54 | foka | I have a question: We have some machines here using static IP. What command may I use to detect an IP address conflict easily? :-) |
| 02:59.00 | deadcat | dafen: theres madwifi source for debian no? |
| 02:59.02 | luminerd | Cyis, well...? |
| 02:59.02 | Cyis | abrotman: only issue for me is having to remember to re-install the nvidia gfx driver when I upgrade the kernel |
| 02:59.02 | liable | dafen: just get the latest snapshot. |
| 02:59.09 | dafen | nope |
| 02:59.11 | stew | !madwifi |
| 02:59.11 | dpkg | i guess madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 02:59.14 | dafen | I can't check out |
| 02:59.15 | abrotman | luminerd: or .. don't buy nvidia shit .. duh |
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| 02:59.28 | abrotman | luminerd: and actually .. you only have nvidia to blame .. |
| 02:59.36 | deadcat | dafen: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/madwifi co madwifi |
| 02:59.40 | deadcat | works here. |
| 02:59.56 | abrotman | foka: ping ? |
| 03:00.16 | libertine | cvs can do it |
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| 03:00.36 | abrotman | !info madwifi-sources |
| 03:00.42 | abrotman | er .shit |
| 03:00.49 | libertine | any body who installed enlightenment 17 sucessfull |
| 03:00.55 | foka | abrotman, what if the machines has blocked ping requests? |
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| 03:01.08 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:01.11 | abrotman | i know it's there |
| 03:01.12 | abrotman | foka: nmap ? |
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| 03:01.31 | luminerd | abrotman, you don't understand what I am saying |
| 03:01.42 | Cyis | abrotman: my only issue with nvidia is the binary-only drivers... otherwise it just works... and for X11 the nvidia driver works worlds better than the nv driver... but I realize that's nvidia's politics keeping it that way... I deal with it until someone can produce a better open-source driver |
| 03:01.59 | luminerd | abrotman, nVidia is the ONLY way to go for work that I do. |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | luminerd: nvidia is crap :) .. the company makes great video cards .. crap sound/lan .. and doesn't release open drivers for any of it |
| 03:02.13 | luminerd | abrotman, it is Linux' job to support nVidia, not nVidia's |
| 03:02.13 | abrotman | luminerd: what kind of owrk is that ? |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | luminerd: not if they don't release open specs ... duh .. how stupid are you |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | nvidia provides drivers for windows |
| 03:02.37 | luminerd | abrotman, fuck you. |
| 03:02.39 | abrotman | not the other way around |
| 03:02.44 | abrotman | fucking moron |
| 03:02.56 | abrotman | how fucking retarded can you be |
| 03:02.58 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: we have no obligation to support nVidia; If they can't provide specs, there's little we can do about it but what we've already done. |
| 03:03.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: just use /ignore already. |
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| 03:03.24 | abrotman | you spend $10000 on machines .. that you don't test .. then say that it's linux's fault that nvidia doesn't release open drivers or specs .. duh |
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| 03:03.52 | luminerd | abrotman, I didn't say that. |
| 03:04.03 | maher | luminerd: sorry - it is your hardware manufacturer's responsibility to get driver support of an os - microsoft dont' write drivers for windows - the oems do |
| 03:04.03 | luminerd | abrotman, I said it was Linux' job to find a way to support nVidia. |
| 03:04.14 | luminerd | nVidia has no obligation to linux, they just make hardware |
| 03:04.35 | luminerd | whatever I'm through with this! Someone just help me make it work!!! |
| 03:04.42 | emRick | how can I get meta information from a jpeg? |
| 03:04.45 | abrotman | or they conform to a spec .. which nvidia doesn't do that either |
| 03:04.49 | dondelelcaro | emRick: you mean the Exif information? |
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| 03:05.46 | luminerd | abrotman, I don't care. nVidia makes great graphics cards that's all I care about. This machine was the CHEAPEST I COULD GET. It's not supposed to be the bomb. I needed 25 of them man! |
| 03:06.24 | emRick | dondelelcaro: when I use "kuickshow", I can right-click on the image and look at "properties" that my digital camera inserts ... I want a command-line program that dumps such information ... with this be Exif information? |
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| 03:06.37 | abrotman | imagemagick ? |
| 03:06.42 | emRick | /with/will/ |
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| 03:06.59 | maher | luminerd: you can buy spare network cards for 5 usd - ina pinch that's only an extra 125 bucks... |
| 03:07.01 | luminerd | I came in here and ASKED if I needed to pay attention to specs of my machine. I ASKED SPECIFICALLY DAMMIT!!! You fuckheads told me I had nothing to worry about, that Linux supported EVERYTHING. |
| 03:07.02 | dondelelcaro | emRick: exif will do that, as will libimage-info-perl; there are a few dozen of them; apt-cache show exif; |
| 03:07.05 | tbx | so, does any person have any suggestions why my machine thinks that there is not optical drive, wnen in fact there is [and was up to at least four days ago]? |
| 03:07.12 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: calm down already. |
| 03:07.12 | libertine | any body who using xfce4 |
| 03:07.19 | dondelelcaro | !tell libertine -about ask |
| 03:07.24 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, no. I just wasted $10,000. |
| 03:07.28 | abrotman | i don't remember being asked about this |
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| 03:07.32 | libertine | i want to change the xfce4's font,who can help me |
| 03:07.52 | emRick | dondelelcaro: awesome ... will install exif debian package now :-) |
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| 03:07.56 | bob2 | that's the lamest rant I've seen all morning |
| 03:08.12 | dondelelcaro | emRick: apt-cache search exif; will give you some more packages if you're interested in them. |
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| 03:08.31 | maher | bob2: wait till you hear my toe-fungus rant |
| 03:08.31 | gravity | bob2: I'm sure things will get lamer. |
| 03:08.39 | deadcat | luminerd: fuck you |
| 03:08.42 | libertine | who can help me |
| 03:09.01 | abrotman | maher: i read that as tongue-fungus .. and don't ask me how i did that |
| 03:09.37 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: that's not necessary either. |
| 03:09.47 | deadcat | my bad (= |
| 03:09.53 | dondelelcaro | especially not after the situtation has already been dealt with |
| 03:10.07 | libertine | i used debian 3.1,and i want to change my windows manager xfce4's font,who can help me |
| 03:10.13 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: if he did wasted all $10,000 i am laughing my ass off |
| 03:10.17 | Cyis | deadcat: Oh... BTW... if you want'd an action shot of the Sony laptop & see how it is to type... just have to come over :) |
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| 03:10.20 | GregM | libetine you could try apps/tools/fontsel |
| 03:10.27 | abrotman | gtkfontsel ? |
| 03:10.30 | emRick | I was using "kuickshow" to view a picture that I took with exposure of 15 seconds ... then, I was was amazed to see a picture emerge when I boosted the "brightness" |
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| 03:10.49 | maher | deadcat: off course he hasn't wasted any money, as a) he could probably get it to work with a bit of patience, and b) he can just buy new networks cards |
| 03:10.50 | abrotman | you should try gimp :) |
| 03:10.50 | dondelelcaro | libertine: #xfce may have more information too. |
| 03:10.54 | deadcat | Cyis: maybe this weekend or something. (= and eat all your food heheh |
| 03:11.04 | Cyis | heheheh |
| 03:11.06 | abrotman | or use linux26 to install ? |
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| 03:11.15 | deadcat | maher: i think he lost all his $ gambling online and now hes mad |
| 03:11.27 | Cyis | deadcat: atleast I know the beer's safe if the food isn't :) |
| 03:11.33 | tung | my workplace has a new firewall, before i could ssh to my home computer from work, now, i cant because of the new firewall, anyone know how to tunnel through port 80 or whatever i need to do get ssh back |
| 03:11.33 | deadcat | (= |
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| 03:11.49 | abrotman | tung: you can't at all ? or it drops you ? |
| 03:11.58 | tbx | dondelelcaro: would you have any idea why my optical drive has disappeared once the debian boots? |
| 03:12.07 | tung | abrotman: cant at all |
| 03:12.11 | maher | tung: before you leave work ssh in to your home box with a port forward to oen a tunnel |
| 03:12.25 | abrotman | tung: you can set your home machine to listen for ssh connections on 80 .. that's one solution |
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| 03:12.29 | maher | tbx: did you chaneg anything? |
| 03:12.35 | dondelelcaro | tbx: you don't have the driver for it loaded? |
| 03:12.49 | abrotman | tbx: check dmesg ? |
| 03:12.57 | libertine | thank you,i did it |
| 03:13.08 | dondelelcaro | libertine: cool. |
| 03:13.11 | tbx | maher: not that I am aware of - I've installed a few packages - this is a relatively new install. |
| 03:13.28 | maher | tbx: lok in the logs / dmseg |
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| 03:13.48 | tbx | dondelelcaro: The drive was alive and kicking as of four days ago when I ripped a CD. No use since, and the machine has been up the whole time. A reboot proved that it's all happy in BIOS land. |
| 03:13.52 | tung | abrotman: i have a webserver running on port 80, can i do both http and ssh? |
| 03:13.53 | tbx | maher: checking dmesg |
| 03:14.08 | abrotman | tung: ok .. pick another port .. like 443 |
| 03:14.11 | litage | any comments/thoughts on switching from inetd to xinetd for a debian 3.1 production server? |
| 03:14.23 | maher | litage: do you really need either? |
| 03:14.35 | abrotman | litage: are you running any services out of inetd ? |
| 03:14.42 | abrotman | and if so .. why? :) |
| 03:14.42 | nevyn | tbx: it shows in the bios detection. I had an issue where a particular motherboard timedout before the drive responded to the identify request and removed the drive from the list |
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| 03:15.02 | tbx | maher: nothing at all out of dmesg | tail but for my recent mount and umount of a usb drive. |
| 03:15.17 | maher | tbx: mount happens when youtry to mount a cd? |
| 03:15.18 | abrotman | tbx: is this the optical drive .. or a usb drive ? |
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| 03:15.35 | tung | abrotman: is there a command you can enter in the windows command prompt to find out which ports are open? |
| 03:15.40 | tbx | maher: mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist |
| 03:15.45 | maher | tung: netstat -pant |
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| 03:15.58 | abrotman | tung: you mean through your firewall ? |
| 03:15.59 | tbx | maher: and fstab is typical: /dev/hdc /mnt/dvd iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 03:15.59 | libertine | i have a questions,where can download xfce4's themes.i did't find it on xfce4's website |
| 03:16.09 | abrotman | libertine: themes.org |
| 03:16.11 | maher | tbx: are you using udev? |
| 03:16.17 | litage | maher, abrotman: hrmm, i'm not sure if i'm running anything out of inetd actually.. |
| 03:16.17 | liable | tbx: I had that problem not long ago, device wasnt showing in logs either. pulled it out, blew it, tapped it, put it back, presto :) |
| 03:16.25 | tbx | maher: apparently. |
| 03:16.29 | abrotman | litage: find out :) |
| 03:16.30 | tung | abrotman, maher: i mean my workplace's firewall |
| 03:16.42 | litage | maher, abrotman: if everything in /etc/inetd.conf is commented out, does that mean that i'm not running anything out of inetd? |
| 03:16.47 | maher | tung: nmap it and see what it blocks |
| 03:16.49 | tbx | liable: to test, when I rebooted I slapped a bootable disk into it, and it works fine, physically. |
| 03:16.50 | abrotman | tung: i'm sure your firewall lets you use common ports .. 21,80,443 |
| 03:17.03 | abrotman | tung: it's not a proxy too is it ? |
| 03:17.11 | abrotman | litage: that's what it means |
| 03:17.16 | litage | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:17.22 | liable | tbx: ah, nothing in the kern logs about it? |
| 03:17.22 | abrotman | maher: he's on windows |
| 03:17.27 | abrotman | libertine: that won't work |
| 03:17.58 | libertine | no,i find it |
| 03:18.02 | maher | tbx: what version of debian and what kernel |
| 03:18.26 | abrotman | tung: you could try to telnet to a known machine with that service running |
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| 03:18.31 | tbx | liable: I do dmesg | tail and get only about ten lines that mention usbcore and /dev/sda, this resultant from recent plugin of a usbdrive |
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| 03:18.50 | abrotman | do we get to -q him now ? |
| 03:18.55 | tbx | maher: 3.1r0a sarge, stable, 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 03:18.58 | libertine | but i don't know how to use it |
| 03:18.59 | abrotman | or will he come back ? |
| 03:18.59 | liable | tbx: look in kern.log, see if was probed at boot. |
| 03:19.11 | libertine | i cant find where to download themes |
| 03:19.12 | abrotman | libertine: oh . i have no idea how to install xfce4 themese |
| 03:19.48 | abrotman | wait .. does xfce have themes e? |
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| 03:19.58 | abrotman | or is it just gtk themes ? |
| 03:20.05 | wobbler | libertine: just apt-get install xfce4-themes |
| 03:20.16 | tbx | liable: okay, I did cat /var/log/kern.log| grep hdc and see "kernel: hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xffffbdfc)" a few times, an attempt to reset, and another failure. |
| 03:20.42 | libertine | apt sources of xfce4-themes,please give me |
| 03:20.56 | abrotman | !info xfce4-themes sarge |
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| 03:21.02 | dpkg | xfce4-themes: (Theme files for Xfce4), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.6-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 323 kB, Installed size: 911 kB |
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| 03:21.15 | tung | abrotman, maher: im not sure if it is a proxy, im gonna try running ssh through port 443 and try tomorrow at work |
| 03:21.19 | jcarr | heh, Shaun of the Dead is pretty funny |
| 03:21.20 | liable | tbx: eek. |
| 03:21.25 | tung | maher: is nmap a dos command? |
| 03:21.32 | jcarr | a DDOS command |
| 03:21.38 | abrotman | tung: nmap is a port scanner |
| 03:21.40 | maher | tung: no - its a linux thing |
| 03:21.43 | abrotman | unix |
| 03:21.57 | tbx | liable: that's not what santa ordered. |
| 03:22.14 | abrotman | tbx: you sohuld talk to luminerd :) |
| 03:22.23 | liable | tbx: heh, no. try a reboot I gues. |
| 03:22.34 | abrotman | tbx: is it a custom kernel ? |
| 03:22.58 | tbx | liable: reboot already tried. |
| 03:23.04 | tbx | abrotman: nope. just aptituded. |
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| 03:23.30 | liable | tbx: other than fiddling with the connectors, technical taps, I dont know.. |
| 03:23.33 | maher | tbx: your box is unhappy - probably at the hw level - you could try a different kernel or changing the cd to slave so its hdd |
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| 03:23.50 | maher | tbx: do you have extra ide slots on the board? |
| 03:23.58 | roler | has anyone uses amavis-new ??? When it runs, is it supposed to listen on 10025? Or how does it work? |
| 03:24.00 | nevyn | tbx: did you try turning the system off and on again |
| 03:24.07 | Cyis | my system is very unhappy with LVM right now... |
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| 03:24.10 | tbx | maher: not a single one, and this was all happy a few days ago, I swayah! |
| 03:24.13 | abrotman | Cyis: still ? |
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| 03:24.19 | nevyn | tbx: rebooting sometimes doesn't give cd's time to respond on modern systems |
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| 03:24.27 | maher | tbx: sometimes things just die - especially cd drives... |
| 03:24.31 | tbx | nevyn: yes, I catually halted the system and then re-powered it up. |
| 03:24.43 | Cyis | abrotman: yep... i can boot with the Ubuntu AMD64 LiveCD and access it... in fact I'm online now using it through chroot |
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| 03:24.51 | nevyn | tbx: the drive get's power... |
| 03:24.53 | nevyn | ? |
| 03:24.56 | abrotman | Cyis: wow .. so you got your kernel ? |
| 03:25.03 | abrotman | shit .. it's late |
| 03:25.12 | Cyis | abrotman: yeah... re-installed it and it didn't change anything... |
| 03:25.17 | tbx | nevyn: sho' nuff. like I mentioned before, after powering up, I slipped a bootable disk in, and it went lovely. |
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| 03:25.23 | Cyis | just got done re-installing lvm10 as well just to be safe |
| 03:25.33 | abrotman | Cyis: oh .. that totally blows |
| 03:25.48 | lorien420 | I have installed many fonts to ~/.fonts, but when I run fc-cache it says "skipping" for that directory. IS there a way to find out why? |
| 03:25.48 | abrotman | Cyis: go get the wife .. point at computer .. "No touch!!!" |
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| 03:25.53 | nevyn | tbx: you havn't removed discover or something silly have you? |
| 03:26.02 | tbx | nevyn: what's that? |
| 03:26.10 | Cyis | abrotman: she already feels bad enough |
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| 03:26.20 | abrotman | Cyis: i'm sure |
| 03:26.55 | tbx | nevyn: ... but it exists as a command, so I assume it's there. |
| 03:27.00 | jcarr | abrotman, man.. that oracle install is unfucking believable... there was no error logs, so I tried installing again, and kept hitting ignore on the errors... finally after the 20th time, it told me it couldnt complete because of errros and wrote 10 log files |
| 03:27.09 | Cyis | abrotman: she can't get online till I get it back online :) |
| 03:27.09 | liable | why would time be listening, even though its set to disable in xinetd? |
| 03:27.18 | abrotman | jcarr: uhm .. you ignore the errors ? |
| 03:27.20 | jcarr | turns out the whole problem was invalid username/password :( |
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| 03:27.24 | Cyis | her machine goes through the gateway machine I run under VMware on my workstation |
| 03:27.24 | abrotman | Cyis: oh jeez .. |
| 03:27.35 | dondelelcaro | liable: are you running xinetd? did you restart it after you disabled it? |
| 03:27.37 | Cyis | no gateway... no connection for her |
| 03:27.37 | jcarr | abrotman, it wouldnt tell me the exact reasons ... until now |
| 03:27.42 | deadcat | Cyis: time for a cheap router/AP maybe? (= |
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| 03:28.02 | Cyis | she is already going through the AP... but it's on an internal network that uses DHCP and NAT |
| 03:28.07 | abrotman | jcarr: yay |
| 03:28.13 | Cyis | usually handled my my gateway machine :) |
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| 03:28.21 | liable | dondelelcaro: its just the default, and it says disable = yes in the conf, like everything else that doesnt run. |
| 03:28.23 | deadcat | hahaah |
| 03:28.42 | deadcat | abrotman: no. you dont sleep until i tell you to |
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| 03:28.59 | abrotman | deadcat: uhm .. no |
| 03:29.00 | dondelelcaro | liable: hrm; just run netstat -plunt; and see what is actually listening on that proot. |
| 03:29.04 | dondelelcaro | s/proot/port/ |
| 03:29.07 | tung | abrotman, maher: thanks |
| 03:29.14 | liable | dondelelcaro: yeah its xinetd |
| 03:29.39 | liable | dondelelcaro: might just comment it and see what gives. |
| 03:29.43 | dondelelcaro | liable: well, try using the paster bot to paste your xinetd.conf; /msg dpkg paster for details |
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| 03:29.55 | liable | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 03:30.10 | sunny|d | hi guys. is there an app for changing gtk(2) themes without having gnome installed? |
| 03:30.19 | tbx | liable: okay, I am goint to try and power down again, just for kicks. |
| 03:30.23 | bob2 | sunny|d: switch2 from gnome-theme-switch |
| 03:30.24 | deadcat | sunny|d: apt-cache search switch |
| 03:30.28 | lorien420 | quit |
| 03:30.31 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 03:30.33 | sunny|d | bob2: unstable? |
| 03:30.38 | bob2 | no idea |
| 03:30.41 | abrotman | really goes |
| 03:30.43 | deadcat | all |
| 03:30.52 | sunny|d | ah |
| 03:30.54 | sunny|d | it isn't |
| 03:31.07 | sunny|d | was gtk-chtheme ever a package? |
| 03:31.22 | deadcat | sunny|d: never heard of that one |
| 03:31.23 | litage | `apt-get remove telnet` returns: "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute pre-removal script: permission denied". i'm pretty sure it's because a partition is mounted noexec,nosuid,nodev |
| 03:31.37 | litage | but the only partitions mounted with those options are /tmp and /var |
| 03:31.43 | liable | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/400 |
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| 03:32.58 | Nurbs | /tmp and /var noexec breaks quite some stuff |
| 03:33.58 | liable | litage: if the scripts are in them dir, then they cant be executed.. |
| 03:34.20 | litage | liable: yup. just discovered that dpkg's scripts are in /var =( |
| 03:34.39 | liable | litage: hehe :) |
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| 03:39.55 | dondelelcaro | litage: not to mention the fact that noexec doesn't really gain you anything; FE, do the following: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /path/to/executable/on/noexec/fs |
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| 03:40.03 | liable | now this is getting weird, I moved the time file, restarted xinetd, and it still shows up! |
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| 03:40.34 | rmac | does anyone know how to add a windows xp hdd to a comp with an existing linux harddrive with grub on it? |
| 03:40.52 | dondelelcaro | rmac: put it in, add the appropriate lines to you menu.lst |
| 03:42.10 | rmac | dondelelcaro what would the appropriate lines look like for menu.lst |
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| 03:42.35 | rmac | i have so far title windows xp root (hd0,1) |
| 03:42.48 | deadcat | rmac: its in the config file. just uncomment them. |
| 03:43.04 | rmac | oh just uncomment the example |
| 03:43.17 | deadcat | rmac: make sure the root line is correct though |
| 03:43.56 | rmac | what would the root line for windows look like |
| 03:44.00 | dobsonj | hey everyone, I have a laptop using the snd-cs46xx alsa driver and everything seems to work... except for recording anything. when using audacity or krecord it only records blank sound, even though my mic plays through the speakers |
| 03:44.05 | dobsonj | any ideas? |
| 03:44.07 | rmac | i have the correct root line for linux set |
| 03:44.42 | deadcat | rmac: i think you just uncomment them. |
| 03:44.57 | rmac | kk ty |
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| 03:45.54 | litage | dondelelcaro: yeah i know, but not everyone knows about that. it's sorta security through obscurity, but meh |
| 03:47.40 | rmac | deadcat it just gets stuck at grub loading please wait.. |
| 03:47.45 | dondelelcaro | litage: sure; just so long as you're aware of that. |
| 03:48.02 | rmac | and the hdd light is solid |
| 03:48.33 | deadcat | rmac: hmm. no clue then. i dont have windows here. |
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| 03:49.32 | mdh | rmac: are you pointing it at the right partition? |
| 03:49.36 | rmac | so if i wanted to start from scratch again with both hdd's (one install debian and one install xp) which would i install first? xp or deb? |
| 03:49.47 | rmac | mdh thats a good question.... |
| 03:50.05 | rmac | i just uncommented the examples in menu.lst grub |
| 03:50.08 | deadcat | rmac: windows. then debian will detech windows and put in grub menu |
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| 03:50.36 | deadcat | Cyis: the cool thing about the picture book is that they have a project page at sf.net |
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| 03:51.11 | mdh | rmac: which disk/partition is xp on? |
| 03:51.16 | rmac | deadcat so that means i have to basically reinstall debian... is there anyway to just reinstall grub to the mbr on the debian disk |
| 03:51.25 | rmac | mdh its on a different hdd |
| 03:51.31 | mdh | rmac: which disk/partition is xp on? |
| 03:51.32 | rmac | a totally seperate hdd |
| 03:51.39 | deadcat | rmac: no. just ask someone who knows how to get windows to work on your grub menu |
| 03:52.26 | LiquiDark | I just compiled a new kernel and installed it, but when I boot to it, I get a kernel panic in VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0). But the stock debian kernel works fine, with an identical GRUB entry. I already recompiled it once, making sure ext3 is compiled in. Anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 03:52.31 | rmac | mdh if i knew what linux named the other hdd i could work with that but linux wont even boot when the other hdd is plugged in |
| 03:52.35 | dondelelcaro | rmac: yes, but is in the secondary master or slave? which partition is it on it? |
| 03:52.57 | mdh | rmac: what linux calls it is irrelevent... you need to setup grub, not linux |
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| 03:53.03 | Cyis | LiquiDark: you using initrd? |
| 03:53.06 | rmac | yes |
| 03:53.12 | rmac | initrd yes |
| 03:53.24 | LiquiDark | cyis: if so, not intentionally. where could I check for that? |
| 03:53.27 | mdh | so, for the third time, which disk/partition is it on? |
| 03:53.51 | LiquiDark | cyis: or rather, should I be using initrd? |
| 03:53.54 | Cyis | LiquiDark: well if you're not than you need to compile all the drivers in the kernel and not use modules |
| 03:53.55 | rmac | mdh its on the secondary ide slot on the cable if thats what you mean... as a slave |
| 03:54.19 | mdh | rmac: and that's the only cable you have in? eg, its primary ide? |
| 03:54.31 | LiquiDark | cyis: all of them? I thought only the ones necessary to mount a root file system. |
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| 03:54.58 | tonyrad | Hello |
| 03:55.14 | mdh | rmac: you most likely need to change the line "rootnoverify (hd0,0)" to "rootnoverify (hd1,0)" |
| 03:55.30 | Cyis | LiquiDark: correct... but sounds like it's not finding the driver for the root drive |
| 03:55.47 | rmac | mdh i have the 2 drives connected to one cable the linux is set to master and the xp is set to slave jumpers... ill try the rootnoverify... |
| 03:56.08 | LiquiDark | cyis: hmmm... I guess I'll check again to make sure I didn't do anything silly like compile IDE support as a module. |
| 03:56.34 | Cyis | you'd need to make sure the IDE support as well as the filesystem support are included |
| 03:56.35 | mdh | rmac: the default grub example is pointing it at primary master, hence why when you simply uncomment it it doesn't work |
| 03:57.57 | tonyrad | I need help setting up software raid. I've got two 40 GB drives. When I installed Debian I tried setting up software raid, but it didn't turn out right. So, I read something on raidtools, and installed that package.. I'm still way confused.. Any help? |
| 03:57.57 | LiquiDark | I know fs support is there, I checked that already |
| 03:57.57 | rmac | mdh ty |
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| 03:58.03 | mdh | rmac: is it working now? I've got to fly soon... |
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| 03:58.05 | liable | tonyrad: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 03:58.06 | foo | What's a nice simple photo app for viewing jpeg pictures? I'm looking for something simple that will load fast... |
| 03:58.17 | rmac | mdh h/o |
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| 03:58.23 | LiquiDark | foo: xv, iirc |
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| 03:58.30 | metaperl | xemacs views jpegs |
| 03:58.31 | foo | LiquiDark: Thanks |
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| 03:58.39 | peterS | foo: eog, feh, pornview |
| 03:58.42 | VTK | hello there :) |
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| 03:59.03 | peterS | foo: xv is nice but non-free and I'm not sure debian non-free even has it anymore, so it's a matter of tracking it down |
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| 03:59.52 | samuel | im on sid and upgraded the xserver to the x.org package... has anyone had any problems with this? it seems my screen resolution is rather small now.... |
| 04:01.29 | rmac | mdh just gets stuck at rootnoverify hd1,0 make active chainloader +1 |
| 04:01.31 | liable | samuel: reconfigure x. |
| 04:01.38 | deadcat | gqview and feh rocks |
| 04:01.46 | lindenle | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 04:01.48 | foo | Hmm, I'm looking for something simpler than pornview. I am writing a bash script that will display each image so I can move it into the correct folder .. something nice and fast. hmm |
| 04:02.08 | peterS | foo: maybe xli |
| 04:02.16 | foo | peterS: thanks |
| 04:02.17 | peterS | foo: or 'display', from imagemagick |
| 04:02.22 | LiquiDark | cyis: well whaddya know. I did something stupid, compiling IDE support as a module. :-) |
| 04:02.40 | samuel | liable, thanks, ill try it again, i thought it would be done by debconf |
| 04:02.43 | peterS | foo: 'feh' is pretty simple too, but I haven't really thought about whether it takes a long time to start or whatever |
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| 04:03.00 | Nurbs | LiquiDark: works fine here :) |
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| 04:03.13 | liable | samuel: it actually just copies over you xfree, but dunno, check it. |
| 04:03.30 | samuel | liable, thanks... doing that now |
| 04:04.10 | Nurbs | LiquiDark: with initrd of course |
| 04:04.20 | mdh | rmac: the parenthesis are required, and "makeactive" is one word not two |
| 04:04.47 | Cyis | LiquiDark: that would cause problems ;) |
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| 04:05.38 | Cyis | well I'm gonna detach and try to boot my workstation again... |
| 04:05.53 | Cyis | bbiaf (hopefully under the systems own power if not the LiveCD again) |
| 04:05.55 | LiquiDark | thanks for the help cyis |
| 04:05.58 | mdh | rmac: you should be able to type those commands into the grub console manually at boot, also when doing the rootnoverify you can tab-complete the hdd :) |
| 04:06.17 | rmac | ok |
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| 04:06.54 | rmac | mdh and you say the second hdd woudl be named (1,0) right? |
| 04:07.03 | mdh | rmac (hd1,0) |
| 04:07.18 | rmac | right |
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| 04:09.14 | rmac | mdh its trying to boot...but still a no-go. says Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7 |
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| 04:10.21 | mdh | rmac: that's okay.. grub can't read ntfs ;) |
| 04:11.06 | pingouin_ | who needs ntfs ?! |
| 04:11.37 | pingouin_ | sad... :) |
| 04:11.44 | rmac | mdh should chainloader +1 be an option for the boot entry |
| 04:11.51 | mdh | rmac: yes |
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| 04:12.26 | rmac | i have makeactive chainloader +1 and root (hd1,0) anything else you can think of? |
| 04:12.39 | mdh | rmac: if you read the example menu.lst there's 4 lines |
| 04:13.09 | mdh | title foo, rootnoverify (hdX,0), makeactive, and chainloader +1 |
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| 04:13.57 | mdh | make sure its "rootnoverify (hd1,0)" not "root (hd1,0)" |
| 04:14.08 | Cyis | well that blew |
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| 04:15.35 | tonyrad | Alright, I followed the directions on that web page liable... but I got an error... mdadm: /dev/hdb1 appears to contain an ext2fs file system |
| 04:15.50 | jarao123^ | where can i get the hostap driver? |
| 04:15.53 | rmac | mdh it just trys and sits there.. ill figure it out later... ty again for patience and help |
| 04:16.10 | liable | tonyrad: sorry, I havent actually done software raid, just thought the link might help :) |
| 04:16.16 | tonyrad | Ok |
| 04:16.25 | tonyrad | Has anybody here done software raid before? |
| 04:16.40 | peterS | the classic forkbomb no longer does? |
| 04:16.50 | LiquiDark | jarao: I think it's at hostap.sf.net |
| 04:17.19 | tonyrad | Thanks for the link liable. That's actually the same link I found earlier today though.. But I lost it because I found it at work |
| 04:17.23 | jarao123^ | thx, in your opinion, is that better than the wlan-ng? |
| 04:17.37 | lindenle | I have lots of software raids... |
| 04:17.48 | LiquiDark | last year I had a laptop with a network card that worked with hostap that I couldn't get to work with wlan-ng |
| 04:18.04 | jarao123^ | okay, thats enough for me! |
| 04:18.06 | LiquiDark | that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but my experience with hostap is good |
| 04:18.06 | deadcat | !compile linux-wlan |
| 04:18.18 | deadcat | !compile wlan-ng |
| 04:18.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, compile wlan-ng is reply "1) apt-get install build-essential kernel-headers-`uname -r` 2) cd /lib/modules/`uname -r` ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` source && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` build 3) download linux-wlan-ng-xxx.tar.gz, untar it, cd to it, make config, make all, make install, update-modules" |
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| 04:19.15 | jarao123^ | now, i dont have the gui yet...is there a way to download the driver from the shell? |
| 04:19.24 | maher | deadcat: doesn't linux-wlan-ng stull complain if you don't have .tmp-versions? i.e. it wants a full source but a random .tm-versions usually shuts itup... |
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| 04:19.35 | fortysixand2 | wget |
| 04:19.59 | deadcat | maher: nah. that instruction works with debian kernel. |
| 04:20.25 | jarao123^ | wget? |
| 04:20.29 | LiquiDark | I want to use a linux box to burn a backup of a windows box to DVDs such that I can both restore it and get a working Windows system and restore individual files without restoring the whole thing. Anyone know a way to do both at the same time? |
| 04:20.57 | maher | deadcat: i finally got a usb wlan device that works with standard kernel + m-a, a netgear ma 101... |
| 04:21.00 | CaT[tm] | split the device, compress, burn |
| 04:21.03 | LiquiDark | jarao: wget or curl, if you know the URL for the thing you want to download. Otherwise, a text browser like lynx or links or elinks |
| 04:21.04 | jarao123^ | thanks! |
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| 04:21.25 | CaT[tm] | you may ned to fiddle with the mbr afterwards and some other things as windows is finacky. |
| 04:21.28 | deadcat | maher: standard as in kernel.org? |
| 04:21.39 | maher | deadcat: no as instandard 2.6 in sarge |
| 04:21.42 | LiquiDark | cat: what do you mean by split the device? |
| 04:22.14 | deadcat | maher: oh cool. linux-wlan-ng debian source? |
| 04:22.20 | CaT[tm] | liquidark: eg: gzip -9 /dev/windowspartition | split -b4000m |
| 04:22.27 | maher | deadcat: no its atwhatever |
| 04:22.43 | deadcat | and m-a works with that? |
| 04:22.46 | liable | tonyrad: dunno if its your error... http://www.spinics.net/lists/raid/msg01433.html |
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| 04:23.01 | maher | deadcat: yeah - there is a m-a entry for the atwhatever driver |
| 04:23.08 | deadcat | cool. |
| 04:23.23 | CaT[tm] | liquidark: eg: gzip -9c /dev/windowspartition | split -b4000m |
| 04:23.29 | CaT[tm] | rather :) |
| 04:23.30 | maher | deadcat: atwhatever = at76c503a |
| 04:23.33 | LiquiDark | cat: that works for the former (restore and get a working windows system), but I can't restore individual files from it, can I? |
| 04:24.02 | CaT[tm] | liqui: I don't believe there's a utiul avail that'll allow you to store aldl the required metadata. could be wrong. |
| 04:24.17 | maher | LiquiDark: look at ntfstools |
| 04:24.38 | Cyis | abrot: I even install'd a new pre-built debian kernel and it failed to load the LVM volumes... |
| 04:24.52 | Cyis | hmm... guess he left and I miss'd it |
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| 04:25.06 | peterS | Cyis: what kernel versions are you talking about? |
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| 04:25.46 | Cyis | peterS: 2.6.8 ... It's been working but had a power-failure induced crash that's left LVM unable to be loaded |
| 04:25.55 | LiquiDark | I know ntfstools can clone a whole ntfs partition, which I presume I can use to restore a working windows system. But I can't mount it to restore a single file without copying the whole thing to disk. I'm trying to figure if there's a way to do both at the same time. |
| 04:25.55 | Cyis | the driver loads but the LVM utils say it's not |
| 04:26.02 | peterS | Cyis: and you're booting a Debian 2.6 kernel as well? |
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| 04:26.07 | Cyis | yep |
| 04:26.25 | Cyis | right now I've had to boot up under the Ubuntu AMD64 LiveCD to get back online |
| 04:26.38 | peterS | Cyis: just making sure - because LVM2 volumes are not compatible with LVM1 (used in kernel 2.4.x) unless you create them as lvm1 volumes specifically |
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| 04:27.05 | Cyis | peterS: system has never ran 2.4 |
| 04:27.23 | peterS | Cyis: right, your mention of amd64 makes this likely (: |
| 04:27.35 | Cyis | need'd the 2.6 drivers :) |
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| 04:28.01 | Cyis | it's odd because Ubuntu is using a 2.6 kernel as well and it has no problem... the Debian i386 install CD has no problem seeing them as well |
| 04:28.26 | Cyis | I'm really not wanting to re-install from scratch |
| 04:28.28 | peterS | Cyis: so I'm unclear on what's going on here. the ubuntu live CD sees the volume group ok? |
| 04:28.49 | Cyis | yep... the liveCD loads up fine and sees the volume group |
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| 04:29.09 | peterS | so ... what kernel doesn't, again? |
| 04:29.20 | Cyis | but under it's own power the system gives "LVM driver/module not loaded?" when /etc/init.d/lvm calls vgscan and vgchange |
| 04:29.36 | Cyis | everything but the system itself |
| 04:29.49 | peterS | Cyis: but lvm *is* loaded at that point? |
| 04:29.59 | Cyis | Debian Sarge i386 install CD, Ubuntu LiveCD and Debian Sarge AMD64 netinst CD are fine |
| 04:30.02 | Cyis | yep |
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| 04:30.15 | Cyis | although it's using the dm-mod which is standard for 2.6 |
| 04:30.17 | peterS | Cyis: does this involve your root filesystem, or is the root fs elsewhere? |
| 04:30.31 | peterS | oh, stupid question |
| 04:30.47 | Cyis | root fs is on hda3 and /boot is on hda1 so that's fine... but every other partition (ie - /usr, /usr/local, /opt, /var, etc) are on LVM |
| 04:30.49 | peterS | /etc/init.d/lvm obviously isn't on lvm itself (: |
| 04:31.15 | Cyis | so I can't even use aptitude when I boot up .. except if chroot'ing in under Ubuntu LiveCD like I am now |
| 04:31.38 | peterS | Cyis: so, boot with 'root=/dev/hda3 rw init=/bin/sh' |
| 04:31.57 | Cyis | however /etc/init.d/lvm checks for dm-mod or lvm-mod |
| 04:31.57 | peterS | Cyis: from there, try loading dm-mod manually and then /etc/init.d/lvm start |
| 04:32.28 | Cyis | hang on... let me detach this BX screen and try rebooting it... if not I'll be back under LiveCD in a few |
| 04:32.58 | peterS | Cyis: the module utils on 2.6 kernels convert - to _ everywhere, so I hope it knows to look for dm_mod with underscore, in lsmod output |
| 04:33.44 | Cyis | lsmod shows dm_mod |
| 04:34.05 | Cyis | like I said it work'd up until the power failure |
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| 04:35.03 | Cyis | brb |
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| 04:39.03 | mrgenixus | I just migrated to xorg -- sort of on accident -- and I, well Xorg won't start and doesn't display any errors, and I can't find the log... does someone know where the log is? are there common problems? |
| 04:39.55 | mrgenixus | hello? |
| 04:40.06 | lindenle | xorg log is /var/log/Xorg.<display>.log |
| 04:40.19 | lindenle | e.g. Xorg.0.log |
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| 04:41.25 | mrgenixus | ok, so there is no log, and no errors and no output when I run startx... |
| 04:41.36 | gravity | mrgenixus: No output at all? |
| 04:41.47 | mrgenixus | none |
| 04:41.50 | mrgenixus | nothing happens |
| 04:41.53 | gravity | mrgenixus: Do you have xbase-clients installed? And xserver-xorg? |
| 04:41.53 | mrgenixus | oh! |
| 04:42.01 | mrgenixus | actually it says server error |
| 04:42.08 | mrgenixus | just that, no more |
| 04:42.10 | gravity | Ok... let's start with that. |
| 04:42.20 | gravity | Do you have xserver-xorg installed? |
| 04:42.47 | gravity | mrgenixus: Run "X -version" |
| 04:43.10 | mrgenixus | looks like something was partially installed, one sec |
| 04:43.41 | mrgenixus | I ran apt-get install xserver-xorg and now it's completeing the earlier install session |
| 04:43.50 | mrgenixus | that's probably the problem |
| 04:43.57 | mrgenixus | still waiting of r it to finish |
| 04:44.06 | mrgenixus | can I get glx accel under Xorg? |
| 04:44.12 | mrgenixus | (via the nvidia driver? |
| 04:44.34 | fortysixand2 | more likely to get it with nvidia than ati :( |
| 04:44.49 | mrgenixus | fortysixand2: yes, well I buy nvidia for a reason |
| 04:45.00 | lindenle | I finally get it for my radeon IGP320M |
| 04:45.06 | lindenle | on laptop with X.org |
| 04:45.17 | fortysixand2 | I gave up on my Xpress 200M |
| 04:45.28 | lindenle | partly why I switched by hand early |
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| 04:45.35 | lindenle | opengl development is fun |
| 04:45.39 | welson | is it ok to have 2048 and 500 for the deframnt and rts respectively? |
| 04:45.54 | gravity | lindenle: Me too :-) |
| 04:46.01 | gravity | Which is why I packaged the thing ;-) |
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| 04:46.16 | lindenle | awesome |
| 04:46.20 | peterS | welson: wtf are you talking about? |
| 04:46.20 | gravity | mrgenixus: Yes, but only with nvidia's driver (nvidia-glx package) and I can't support it |
| 04:46.28 | lindenle | the mirror i am using does not have it yet |
| 04:46.35 | mrgenixus | gravity: how's that? |
| 04:46.36 | lindenle | x.org package |
| 04:46.42 | mrgenixus | I'm pretty familiar with the package, |
| 04:46.44 | gravity | mrgenixus: It's a binary driver |
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| 04:46.55 | peterS | mrgenixus: what, you expect him to support binary-only crap? |
| 04:46.59 | mrgenixus | I've been fighting with it (not much) since I got my r3000 in NOV |
| 04:47.05 | gravity | lindenle: Hopefully it'll hit soon. |
| 04:47.09 | lindenle | ow wait i spokje too soon |
| 04:47.18 | mrgenixus | peterS: no |
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| 04:47.44 | mrgenixus | peterS: I dont' EXPECT linux support from anyone |
| 04:47.48 | Cyis | peterS: that didn't prove fruitful... same error |
| 04:48.08 | mrgenixus | that's like EXPECTING ati to just work, that's just stupid, unfair, and stupid |
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| 04:48.29 | Cyis | I tried with the Debian pre-built 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 kernel and my own 2.6.8-amd64-k8 kernel ... both have since the failure been re-installed |
| 04:48.32 | mrgenixus | yay! am X-server! |
| 04:48.35 | gravity | mrgenixus: Well, there's not much that the Debian X team can do for the proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 04:48.42 | shivraj | how can I deselect all kde packages from my system ?? |
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| 04:48.48 | mrgenixus | gravity: thanls for putting together debs anyhow |
| 04:48.50 | gravity | I'd love to see nvidia drivers that we could support |
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| 04:48.58 | gravity | mrgenixus: No problem. Hope they work well for you. |
| 04:49.03 | peterS | Cyis: is it /etc/init.d/lvm complaining, or vgscan complaining? |
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| 04:49.26 | Cyis | peterS: vgscan and company.. the init.d isn't the one complaining except when it calls them |
| 04:49.33 | mrgenixus | I assume poeple in this channel are debian devs so thanks, sice you're here for all you hard work, I wish I was smart enough to be useful |
| 04:49.33 | streuner | shivraj: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 04:49.35 | Nyle | hey, I have a weird problem, in mozilla or firefox or konq.. if I try to access a website which uses a php file instead of an html file, it always pops a dialogue asking me if i want to save the php or open it with default application, because it doesn't know how to handle a php file. How can I fix this problem? Is this a mime-type issue? |
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| 04:49.43 | Cyis | thinking that lvm utils got corrupted I had re-installed them |
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| 04:49.49 | Schiz0 | Is anyone having problems installing AmaroK v1.2.4 via the package? I install it, run it, and it freezes up. I don't know why, I already spent a hour or so in #amarok, and got nothing. |
| 04:49.50 | peterS | Cyis: almost sounds as though it's trying to run lvm1 binaries instead of lvm2 binaries |
| 04:50.03 | peterS | Cyis: did you reinstall lvm-common as well as lvm2, then? |
| 04:50.10 | Cyis | lvmiopversion responds as 200 |
| 04:50.16 | Cyis | under Ubuntu and debain |
| 04:50.18 | crafteh | I'm trying to install a Template engine for perl (to get bugzilla running) - /usr/bin/perl -MCPAN -e 'install "Template"' - but it keeps failing some tests it runs (make tests auto runs them) ... what should i do? |
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| 04:50.22 | Cyis | s/debain/debian |
| 04:50.25 | lindenle | mrgenixus: Since you are an x.org guy can i ask you a question |
| 04:50.42 | mrgenixus | lindenle: huh? just migrated... sure. |
| 04:50.55 | Cyis | peterS: hmm... didn't re-install lvm-common... let me try that |
| 04:51.09 | lindenle | mrgenixus: oh, well I have what I think is a bug and I am not sure who to file it with. |
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| 04:51.21 | Nyle | anyone? |
| 04:51.21 | gravity | lindenle: What's the bug? |
| 04:51.22 | peterS | Cyis: lvm-common is the bit that decides whether to try running lvm1 or lvm2, depending on the iopversion |
| 04:51.37 | maher | Nyle: does this happen for all php sites or just a few |
| 04:51.40 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: glx on r300 will hopefully work out of the box when we get Xorg 6.9 .... see this: 06:59 < gravity> I'd love to see nvidia drivers that we could support |
| 04:51.43 | fatal__ | err |
| 04:51.47 | fatal__ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/07/msg00778.html |
| 04:52.05 | gravity | I'm working on 6.9. Worked on it a bit tonight. |
| 04:52.06 | nvz | Schiz0: Have you tried running it from a terminal or stracing? |
| 04:52.08 | lindenle | never mind I think it might actually be kde causing it...I have to do a few more tests, sorry |
| 04:52.12 | gravity | It's slow going though. |
| 04:52.19 | mrgenixus | fatal__: it does |
| 04:52.24 | mrgenixus | fatal__: you have r3000? |
| 04:52.27 | Schiz0 | nvz- terminal, yes; stracing, no, I dunno what that is |
| 04:52.33 | mrgenixus | fatal__: are you on the mailing list ? |
| 04:52.33 | fortysixand2 | anyone seen this error with the fglrx drivers? It was in dmesg |
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| 04:52.36 | fortysixand2 | [fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process 3103 using kernel context 0 |
| 04:52.40 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: yes, a Radeon X800 |
| 04:52.52 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: I'm reading the archives. |
| 04:52.57 | nvz | Schiz0: strace catches the signals to see where it hangs |
| 04:52.57 | gravity | Speaking of drivers I can't support... :-p |
| 04:53.04 | peterS | gravity: heh |
| 04:53.07 | Schiz0 | nvz- I'll try that, thanks |
| 04:53.15 | Nyle | maher: only a few php file, some work, and some don't |
| 04:53.21 | fortysixand2 | gravity: thought it was worth a shot. :p |
| 04:53.23 | shivraj | streuner : thanks, ... |
| 04:53.23 | mrgenixus | fatal__: check out the wiki for more info ... http://prinsig.se/weekee |
| 04:53.32 | gravity | fortysixand2: You'll have to ask ati (#ati) |
| 04:53.33 | mrgenixus | fatal__: let me know what you think |
| 04:53.39 | maher | Nyle: its probably a server config issue - nothing to do with your browser |
| 04:53.41 | fortysixand2 | cool |
| 04:53.43 | fortysixand2 | thanks! |
| 04:53.45 | bighead | what package has dos2unix and unix2dos files?? |
| 04:54.00 | peterS | fortysixand2: just arrange to release all the source code to the firegl drivers, and I'm sure he'll be happy to look at supporting them |
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| 04:54.02 | streuner | bighead: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:54.04 | tarzeau | bighead: packages.debian.org can find out |
| 04:54.11 | tarzeau | streuner: morning |
| 04:54.18 | streuner | tarzeau: hi :-) |
| 04:54.19 | gravity | Yeah, and send me a new ATI card too! :-) |
| 04:54.22 | fortysixand2 | peterS: Sure thing. Is tomorrow ok? |
| 04:54.24 | peterS | yeah, of course |
| 04:54.34 | Nyle | maher: well, I have apache running on my box, and my website's index is index.php, it works fine when accessing that, but when I try to isntall this one CMS program, which also uses php file as index.php, instead of opening the file or rendering it in browswer, it asks me to save it |
| 04:54.42 | welson | peterS: for wlan interface |
| 04:54.45 | peterS | fortysixand2: as a paying customer you should demand that ATI meet your needs in this manner |
| 04:54.54 | maher | Nyle: your apache is misconfigured in some way |
| 04:55.09 | Nyle | maher: thanks, i'll try #apache |
| 04:55.13 | gravity | The ati driver guys are really cool. They do a lot of non-proprietary work too. |
| 04:55.21 | welson | wondering if rts should be greater than the degrment thresholg (wlan) currently its set at 2048 and 500(rts) |
| 04:55.29 | mrgenixus | thanks guys, I don't guess I had a problem after all, fatal__ feel free to pm me if you want to talk about those laptops |
| 04:55.32 | litage | is exim/postfix/sendmail needed for delivering mail on localhost? |
| 04:55.33 | shivraj | debian is the king of all linux distros |
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| 04:56.03 | VTK | is there any documentation out there on how to activate apache's mod_rewrite on a debian webserver? |
| 04:56.19 | peterS | litage: delivery is technically done by mail or mailx, but many people inject mail into the queue using /usr/sbin/sendmail which requires exim/postfix/sendmail/whatever |
| 04:56.24 | fatal__ | VTK: use a2enmod |
| 04:56.42 | welson | VTK: you can apt-get the doc.. but its better to follow other's feedbacks (psst ever heard of the apache site?).. |
| 04:56.42 | Schiz0 | VTK- http://httpd.apache.org/docs ? |
| 04:57.11 | Cyis | peterS: okay... just --reinstalled lvm-common... not sure how much that will affect it as it appears only lvmiopversion and lvm-bin-scan are the only two binaries in it |
| 04:57.23 | Schiz0 | VTK- I'm sorry, it's http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ |
| 04:57.26 | peterS | Cyis: yeah, well, you have a very strange problem, so who knows |
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| 04:57.39 | VTK | the apache website explains at lengths what to do with it but not how to make the damn thing work ;) |
| 04:57.39 | maher | Cyis: use debsums to check for corrupt binaries... |
| 04:57.40 | welson | Cyis: you can dpkg -L list it and grep it like this dpkg -L foobar |grep bin |
| 04:57.50 | litage | peterS: so if i remove exim, will local mail delivery (eg: from syslog) still occur? |
| 04:57.56 | peterS | welson: ummm. I suspect he knows this very well |
| 04:58.06 | peterS | litage: depends on what syslogd does |
| 04:58.25 | shivraj | what the heck is gnome-session .. its nothing at all |
| 04:58.49 | litage | hrmmm |
| 04:58.54 | nvz | shivraj: Its obviously something. |
| 04:58.59 | fatal__ | litage: you want to have some sort of MTA installed on your system for it to work well... |
| 04:59.15 | dafen | what's the potential caused flgrx to freeze and slow? |
| 04:59.16 | VTK | is there something like a2enmod for apache 1? |
| 04:59.17 | litage | fatal__: for what to work well? |
| 04:59.19 | shivraj | nvz, u're right |
| 04:59.25 | shivraj | 39 mb worth |
| 04:59.26 | dafen | mine is a ibm t42 raedon 9600 mobile |
| 04:59.37 | welson | peterS: just spent a bithin 10 hour escapade with this twinkie wireless music system-- just verifying if I have good numbers for these packet settings.. |
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| 04:59.41 | dafen | kernel has pnp compiled in, and I suspecte that could be a problem |
| 04:59.41 | Cyis | peterS: I'd be surprised if it's a lvm1 vs lvm2 issue as only the lvm10 and lvm-common packages are installed |
| 04:59.45 | nvz | shivraj: I wouldn't have it any other way. |
| 05:00.00 | peterS | Cyis: what? lvm10 is installed but lvm2 is not? |
| 05:00.01 | fatal__ | litage: example: daemons.... mail is the primary communication medium on a *nix system. |
| 05:00.06 | mrgenixus | Is the old inkscape package broken? |
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| 05:00.26 | litage | fatal__: but as long as mail is installed, all will be fine, no? |
| 05:00.27 | peterS | Cyis: 2.6 kernels do not support lvm10 |
| 05:00.40 | fatal__ | litage: mail(x) is a MUA, not a MTA. |
| 05:00.49 | litage | ah |
| 05:00.50 | peterS | fatal__: also an MDA |
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| 05:00.56 | Cyis | hmm... might be on something here... |
| 05:01.07 | mrgenixus | it depends on libsigc++-2.0.2 or higher, and I have that installed but it says it's not installable can anyone duplicate this problem? |
| 05:01.10 | dafen | and codec_semaphore: semaphre is not ready [0x1][0x700300] |
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| 05:01.17 | peterS | Cyis: lvm10 is for iopversion 10, lvm2 is for iopversion 200 |
| 05:01.24 | dafen | semaphre error related to codec_write |
| 05:01.27 | Cyis | installing lvm2 and gonna try again... thing is I hadn't done any package changes |
| 05:01.29 | welson | peterS: is lvm a slow project? |
| 05:01.45 | peterS | welson: how do you mean? |
| 05:01.50 | The_Ball | hi, i have a el torinto bootable cd image, iso format, is it possible to edit the iso without loosing the bootable capacity? |
| 05:02.04 | peterS | The_Ball: not easily |
| 05:02.05 | Cyis | gonna reboot...have a good feeling about this |
| 05:02.08 | fatal__ | welson: dealing with terabytes of storage, you probably want to be really carefull when doing development... :) |
| 05:02.10 | Cyis | brb peterS |
| 05:02.29 | The_Ball | peterS, how about the hard whay? |
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| 05:03.07 | peterS | The_Ball: the hard way is to copy the contents of the iso into another tree, fiddle with it, then build a new iso, being careful to specify the same el torito images |
| 05:03.07 | welson | fatal__: you bet-- lvm last I read up about pissed me off when I realized resize2fs was buggy with it and its shrinking feature was experimental as well.. so I competely ignored it-- but currently am looking into it again.. |
| 05:03.07 | mrgenixus | who maintains inkscape? |
| 05:03.11 | shivraj | nvz, im not that hardcore, my laptop only has a 12 gig hd, but if I delete all of the porn I should have room |
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| 05:03.41 | welson | fatal__: you have some terabyte server I can test lvm against? |
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| 05:03.58 | peterS | !maint inkscape |
| 05:04.00 | welson | fatal__: just for fun, I'll see if some of the advanced features are finally stable :) |
| 05:04.01 | dpkg | inkscape: Wolfram Quester <wolfi@mittelerde.physik.uni-konstanz.de> |
| 05:04.08 | libertine | is there any software can auto adjust the time on linux system |
| 05:04.08 | The_Ball | peterS, the problem is that iso-info does not output which image is the boot image, just what offset is has |
| 05:04.09 | litage | fatal__, peterS: this is in regards to a production server, so i'm trying to minimize what's installed. so to have local mail delivered, i still need one of exim/postfix/sendmail/etc installed? |
| 05:04.46 | peterS | litage: dude, I haven't tried removing them. since it's a production server, that implies that you have a test server as well. try it on that. |
| 05:05.05 | libertine | query dpkg |
| 05:05.22 | peterS | litage: see also ssmtp and nullmailer which are alternative MTAs that don't do much. I'm not sure if they do local delivery or just forward everything, though |
| 05:05.31 | maher | litage: why not just run exim for local delivery only - you probably want cron to email you with errors etc. |
| 05:05.44 | nvz | shivraj: What are we talking about? |
| 05:05.56 | litage | maher: yeah that's exactly why i need an mta, but only want a small, no-frills one |
| 05:06.14 | libertine | i need a software to adjust the time automacticly .any idea |
| 05:06.20 | shivraj | nvz, size of gnome |
| 05:06.27 | maher | litage: ssmtp |
| 05:06.30 | LiquiDark | libertine: ntpdate? ntp? |
| 05:06.46 | litage | thanks maher, i'll look into ssmtp |
| 05:07.00 | fatal__ | libertine: ntpdate |
| 05:07.04 | maher | litage: that assumes you have some other box with a working mta ssmtp can dump the mail to |
| 05:07.13 | streuner | shivraj: installing GNOME or KDE is almost the same... |
| 05:07.15 | nvz | shivraj: Oh baby, its not the size of the gnome that counts. |
| 05:07.38 | streuner | shivraj: if you want safe space just install a window manager |
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| 05:07.53 | litage | maher: i think i'll leave exim installed until i setup a log server |
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| 05:08.10 | litage | thanks for your help peterS, fatal__, maher |
| 05:08.34 | Cyis | peterS: thank you... that appear'd to be the problem... somehow in the crash it removed lvm2 or corrupted it enough that it wasn't showing up |
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| 05:08.43 | nvz | streuner: How about stop downloading porn. |
| 05:08.44 | peterS | Cyis: oh, cool. that explains much. |
| 05:08.52 | Cyis | only thing now is a slapd startup failure keeping me from loggin in |
| 05:08.52 | libertine | fatal_ could you tell me how to use |
| 05:08.56 | shivraj | streuner : tried a few of them, thy're too minimal |
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| 05:09.14 | peterS | Cyis: so, you don't need lvm10 installed since you don't plan to go back to kernel 2.4 |
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| 05:09.15 | mrgenixus | how do I rebuild a package? the latest bug for inkscape says rebuilding the package will fix its dependency problems |
| 05:09.15 | Cyis | peterS: until I had done a 'aptitude search lvm' I hadn't noticed that lvm2 wasn't showing installed |
| 05:09.20 | shivraj | tried KDE, now Im trying gnome to see which one is nicer |
| 05:09.21 | mrgenixus | what does it all mean??? |
| 05:09.29 | Cyis | nope... I should install lvm10 |
| 05:09.30 | mrgenixus | shivraj: gnome is better |
| 05:09.36 | Cyis | to keep from being confused... |
| 05:09.43 | maher | mrgenixus: apt-get source foo, dpkg-buildpackage foo |
| 05:09.47 | fatal__ | libertine: /etc/init.d/ntpdate start |
| 05:10.38 | peterS | maher: dpkg-buildpackage doesn't take foo as an argument |
| 05:10.48 | shivraj | gotta love apple, its updating the firmware on my imac so that the indicator light is not that bright in the evening ... hehe |
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| 05:10.55 | streuner | shivraj: both tend to look like windows... |
| 05:10.56 | tobiasz | Hi |
| 05:11.01 | mrgenixus | maher: also, um it asks for an arguement when I do that |
| 05:11.09 | tobiasz | I am having problems with creating debbootstrap |
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| 05:11.18 | fatal__ | dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot |
| 05:11.32 | maher | peterS: you are right |
| 05:11.39 | mrgenixus | fatal__: say that in the context of inkscape? |
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| 05:11.41 | tobiasz | E: Couldn't download slang1a-utf8 |
| 05:11.43 | shivraj | streuner : yeah its funny how the model if after windows, but ms spent millions in ui development, might as well make use |
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| 05:12.25 | mrgenixus | fatal__: see bug 319958 |
| 05:12.26 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: I missed the discussion... someone was talking about arguments to dpkg-buildpackage.... the above is what I use when building (my unsigned) packages. |
| 05:12.26 | tobiasz | when I leave screen pbuilder create for sid.. and I am back.. there is no base.tgz |
| 05:12.29 | maher | tobiasz: gcc transition issue / mirrors out of sync due to server move |
| 05:12.47 | tobiasz | maher, thx |
| 05:12.53 | mrgenixus | fatal__: can you look at that and explain what I need, and what I need to do, since you seem to understand |
| 05:13.01 | streuner | shivraj: well, what i want to say, you wouldn't see big difference as user... |
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| 05:13.59 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: yeah, well maher said what you need to do already... I just added some switches to dpkg-buildpackage that you can use. |
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| 05:14.19 | mrgenixus | fatal__: but this doesn't work, do I need the source for inkscape? |
| 05:14.27 | dafen | I wonder if PNP option in kernel will cause any proble m? |
| 05:14.27 | streuner | shivraj: and both are themeable too |
| 05:14.32 | libertine | apt-get install ntpdate,and i using ntpdate to adjust my time,thank |
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| 05:14.38 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: apt-get source .... |
| 05:15.06 | mrgenixus | fatal__: ok, then what.. |
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| 05:15.19 | fatal__ | inkscape? |
| 05:15.30 | mrgenixus | fatal__: after that command, but thanks, lol |
| 05:15.37 | libertine | now ,i have anther questions,did the ntpdate run automaticly.i want it run per 1 hour |
| 05:15.50 | shivraj | streuner : I like gnome more |
| 05:16.00 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: try /lastlog dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:16.10 | mrgenixus | ok |
| 05:16.25 | streuner | shivraj: hm, iam running ob (openbox) and its ok, using KDE or GNOME apps if needed |
| 05:16.27 | mrgenixus | where does it put my deb file? |
| 05:16.45 | tobiasz | maher, do you know how lond will that take ? One more thing.. I am trying to build packages on remote (on sarge) and new pbuilder dont know about etch, and missing slang1a-utf8 are those a gcc4 transition side efects ? |
| 05:17.03 | mrgenixus | streuner: the only problem with that is that your loadin time and disk usage is huge becuase you run two widget sets |
| 05:17.23 | Hemingray | hello? |
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| 05:17.26 | shivraj | streuner : I tried that .. too much like black box |
| 05:17.27 | streuner | mrgenixus: heh? |
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| 05:17.37 | Hemingray | anyone have an idea for a good ICMP tunnel? |
| 05:17.39 | shivraj | streuner : besides gnome seems a lot faster than KDE |
| 05:17.41 | tato | aren't there any cheap mips boards out there i could play with? |
| 05:17.47 | mrgenixus | streuner: buttons and stuff |
| 05:18.00 | mrgenixus | streuner: they're stored in files, and files take up space... |
| 05:18.01 | maher | tobiasz: servers are moved and everything should be in sync tomorrow I would expect - gcc transition migt dragon for a bit |
| 05:18.06 | mrgenixus | streuner: and are loaded, etc |
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| 05:18.29 | mrgenixus | fatal__: so where does it put my package when i builds it from the source? |
| 05:18.29 | maher | tato: linksys nslu2 $80 |
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| 05:18.39 | mrgenixus | or did I do the wrong thing? |
| 05:18.48 | maher | tato: oops - that might be arm |
| 05:18.55 | Cyis | I need to get me a nslu2... saw the hack mention'd on /. and sounds kewl to get one |
| 05:19.22 | tato | hmmmm $80 for arm is still damned cheap... |
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| 05:19.49 | mrgenixus | I need to rebuild the package for inkscape, I presume, based on the instructions you've given. I got the source, and I ran dpkg-buildpacke with those options, and it did some stuff, but I still don't have a deb |
| 05:19.51 | tobiasz | maher, thx and bye |
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| 05:20.23 | maher | tato: maybe the wrt54g is mips... |
| 05:20.29 | mrgenixus | maher: so if I have the source.. can I then, rebuild the package? |
| 05:20.47 | maher | mrgenixus: look in the dir above the source |
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| 05:22.03 | Meep | Anyone got any good pointers to commercial VPN solutions that support Debian systems as clients well? |
| 05:22.20 | mrgenixus | ...build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting? |
| 05:22.30 | mrgenixus | Meep: multitech |
| 05:22.31 | fatal__ | Meep: ipsec based VPNs are a good choice. |
| 05:22.57 | Meep | Any good commercial ones (suitable for corporate deployment?) |
| 05:23.08 | deadcat | Meep: no |
| 05:23.12 | mrgenixus | fatal__: ...build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting? 'd you see? now what's wrong? |
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| 05:23.21 | fatal__ | meep: fortinets fortigate is a linux-based vpn router that I've used. |
| 05:23.42 | mrgenixus | wolfi seems to be in charge of the package, should I just e-mail him? |
| 05:24.03 | maher | mrgenixus: you could read some docs - try apt-get build-depends foo |
| 05:24.14 | Meep | Don't care about Linux as the server - just Linux clients supported well. |
| 05:24.56 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: just wait for the C++ transition to finish... it'll take a while and things like this will happen.... but it doesn't seem like you are in postition to try to speed it up. :] |
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| 05:25.26 | libertine | maher，u say some docs,can you give me |
| 05:25.28 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: this is the time when I'm supposed to tell you that you shouldn't be running UNSTABLE. ;) |
| 05:25.32 | mrgenixus | fatal__: why, cause I'm dumb, a n00b, and don't know the terminology yet? (all valid points) |
| 05:25.40 | mrgenixus | fatal__: ok |
| 05:25.44 | cat | libertine: www.debian.org/doc |
| 05:25.53 | libertine | thank you |
| 05:26.16 | mrgenixus | stable didn't run on my amd64 laptop until sarge... a laptop which I got in NOV |
| 05:26.24 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: unstable is unstable like this sometimes.... that's why it's called unstable. Eighter learn to live with it or reinstall with stable or testing. :) |
| 05:26.26 | mrgenixus | fatal__: thanks for your help anyhow |
| 05:26.43 | mrgenixus | fatal__: any idea when the c++ transistion will be complete? |
| 05:26.46 | GregM | trying to get samba to have access to my ftp dir /home/share but doesnt samba required /home/amba for shares? can I use ln to link it? |
| 05:26.59 | maher | mrgenixus: did you try apt-get build-depends inkscape? |
| 05:27.01 | mrgenixus | GregM: no |
| 05:27.02 | libertine | is there some docs could tell me how to using irc |
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| 05:27.20 | mrgenixus | GregM: samba doens't require anything' like that |
| 05:27.21 | fatal__ | mrgenixus: some weeks or a month I'd guess. |
| 05:27.22 | dabaR | libertine: google irc something |
| 05:27.34 | GregM | hmm |
| 05:27.39 | mrgenixus | maher: build-depends isn't a option for apt-get |
| 05:27.43 | libertine | i want a book |
| 05:28.04 | mrgenixus | maher: you must be thinking of something else |
| 05:28.09 | mrgenixus | maher: I checked the am page |
| 05:28.12 | maher | mrgenixus: man apt-get <-- i'm not going to spoon feed you |
| 05:28.12 | streuner | dpkg, simple sid backport |
| 05:28.12 | dpkg | somebody said simple sid backport was 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 05:28.28 | mrgenixus | maher: I'm reading TFM |
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| 05:28.58 | mrgenixus | ...build-deb... |
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| 05:29.15 | fatal__ | p |
| 05:29.22 | streuner | !lart mrgenixus |
| 05:29.52 | mrgenixus | pardon? |
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| 05:31.16 | liable | hehe, I kept reading mrgenixus as mrgenius too :P |
| 05:31.44 | ke6isf | liable: Eh, I was reading 'mrxgenius' for some reason. |
| 05:31.49 | mrgenixus | liable: Mr. Genisis <-- |
| 05:32.23 | ke6isf | I guess I'm feeling a little cixelsyd tonight. |
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| 05:33.59 | mrgenixus | maher: thanks, I think that did it... |
| 05:35.04 | VoX | i upgraded to xorg a few days ago(no breakage, w00t!) but since then there haven't been any updates. Is something broken, or are there simply no updates for sid in the past week? |
| 05:35.22 | streuner | VoX: read /topic |
| 05:35.48 | jm_ | streuner: topic doesn't mention it anymore ;) |
| 05:35.56 | VoX | i was going to say :P |
| 05:36.14 | streuner | jm_: hehe, true |
| 05:36.40 | VoX | so.. what's the go then? |
| 05:36.50 | streuner | VoX: ftp-master moved to new loaction, thus there wasn't any new packages uploaded in meantime |
| 05:37.03 | VoX | ah |
| 05:37.20 | mrgenixus | I feel like I'm running gentoo |
| 05:37.31 | jm_ | VoX: maybe you should subscribe to some mailing lists if you're running sid |
| 05:37.31 | mrgenixus | I'm compiling inkscape from source... |
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| 05:37.48 | VoX | jm: yeah i probably should |
| 05:38.46 | libertine | i need a place to blog my life,any body can give me a speedful blog provider(of course of free) |
| 05:39.12 | ke6isf | libertine: http://www.livejournal.com |
| 05:39.13 | rajasun | streuner: /topic in #debian-devel says ftp-master is back. Am starting too see some stuff moved from upload area and into incoming. e.g. conglomerate ethereal gltron gphoto2 gqview http://incoming.debian.org/conglomerate_0.9.1-1_powerpc.changes http://incoming.debian.org/gphoto2_2.1.6-2_i386.changes http://incoming.debian.org/gqview_2.0.1-1_i386.changes |
| 05:39.59 | karsten | OT: anyone know how to set a MacOS X term's color? |
| 05:40.12 | reamtS | karsten: #macosx |
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| 05:40.25 | karsten | reamtS: Danke |
| 05:40.54 | streuner | rajasun: good news, thanks. |
| 05:41.25 | rajasun | streuner: np Thank ari. he was raving about it a few hours ago ;) |
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| 05:42.32 | Cyis | no the only casualty from the system crash is a few third-party installs have disappeared |
| 05:42.53 | libertine | thx |
| 05:42.59 | peterS | Cyis: that's good, I guess (: |
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| 05:43.34 | Cyis | namely my entire Java development environment... |
| 05:43.40 | Cyis | JDK and IDE+plugins |
| 05:43.50 | libertine | eclipse,i like it |
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| 05:43.58 | Cyis | good thing was my source code was in CVS |
| 05:44.09 | libertine | hoooo |
| 05:44.12 | Cyis | libertine: eclipse 3.1 + MyEclipse v4.0 |
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| 05:44.24 | libertine | you are right |
| 05:44.48 | libertine | i like it,but i dont like the eclipse in fc4 |
| 05:45.04 | litage | if i'm running kernel 2.4 or 2.6, i can safely remove ipchains, right? |
| 05:45.07 | Cyis | fc4? |
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| 05:45.13 | peterS | litage: if you aren't using it |
| 05:45.34 | litage | peterS: why does 3.1 come with both ipchains and iptables installed by default? |
| 05:45.36 | vasundhar | whats eclipse? |
| 05:45.44 | peterS | Cyis: fc4 == fedora core 4, I guess |
| 05:45.49 | streuner | !eclipse |
| 05:45.49 | dpkg | hmm... eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/ |
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| 05:45.56 | libertine | i think fc4 have a error,when i use eclipse in root,system must dead |
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| 05:46.22 | helio | : ) |
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| 05:46.29 | libertine | you are right ,fc4=fedora core 4 |
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| 05:46.32 | vasundhar | thank you |
| 05:46.33 | peterS | litage: as far as I know it doesn't. if it does, I don't know why. |
| 05:46.38 | Cyis | I'm in the middle of developing a web application to handle consulting clients and invoicing management |
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| 05:47.46 | FarrisG | Can somebody point me to the doc/howto on adding or building a single kernel module? |
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| 05:48.00 | fas3r | the port for dns is 53? |
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| 05:48.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: check my away message. |
| 05:48.43 | streuner | fas3r: grep -i dns /etc/services |
| 05:48.45 | fatal__ | fas3r: have a look in the /etc/services list. ;) |
| 05:48.59 | fas3r | ok thx all |
| 05:49.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: where? |
| 05:49.17 | TwistedEmotions | aim |
| 05:49.20 | deadcat | k |
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| 05:49.50 | streuner | fas3r: s/dns/nameserver/ |
| 05:50.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i am using centericq. |
| 05:50.25 | fas3r | streuner, s/dns/nameserver/???? what's what |
| 05:50.53 | Cyis | now to watch my mail servers catch up after 11 hour outage |
| 05:51.02 | streuner | fas3r: grep -i dns /etc/services --> grep -i _nameserver_ /etc/services |
| 05:51.05 | jm_ | FarrisG: you enable it, you run make, at least with 2.6 |
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| 05:53.53 | Cyis | I should burn the archives for these software installs to CD so I don't have to re-download them again... having to download 250+ MB all over again is not fun |
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| 05:54.08 | belracu | what is "kusbd" |
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| 05:54.45 | ke6isf | !kusbd |
| 05:55.06 | fas3r | and a other question ..... if i make "iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCET" i have network in my local network , but if i make "iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" and "iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --sport 80 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" i dont have network on my local network... do you know why? |
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| 05:56.20 | dubbaluga | hi! does anybody of you know, how to define default applications in gnome 2.8 for a specific mime type? (i'm using debian sarge at the moment) |
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| 05:58.15 | libertine | tell me some good songs,i like music |
| 05:58.51 | nerdy2 | "the sign" |
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| 05:59.46 | ke6isf | libertine: The Song That Never Ends, as once heard on Shari Lewis |
| 06:00.14 | dave999 | what is the defference between the releases 3.1_r0 and 3.1_r0a? |
| 06:00.27 | dave999 | which one should i download? |
| 06:00.29 | jm_ | a |
| 06:00.31 | dondelelcaro | dave999: the a one. |
| 06:01.01 | dave999 | ok.... this is funny.....but i need little help here guys |
| 06:01.35 | dave999 | which one is newer and is it stable? |
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| 06:02.18 | vasundhar | music is multi varient |
| 06:02.21 | dondelelcaro | dave999: again, the 'a' one. |
| 06:02.37 | dondelelcaro | dave999: if you read the release notes, your questions about why you should use the 'a' one will be answered. |
| 06:02.44 | doug__ | installing postgresql when you already have mysql wont screw up mysql, right? |
| 06:02.50 | dondelelcaro | doug__: no. |
| 06:02.55 | doug__ | k thanks |
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| 06:11.04 | iriver | I have installed kernel 2.6.12 and now my iRiver H340 usb mp3 player isn't detected anymore, any help??? |
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| 06:12.54 | sameer | im using a debian machine as a client .. on a domain with windows machine a server.. how will the windows machines refer to me as.. |
| 06:12.56 | Jamsi | Kernel panic error, how do I get into lilo config? |
| 06:13.01 | iriver | Coke: hi, we talked yesterday about ogg |
| 06:13.01 | Jamsi | Press tab is it? |
| 06:13.10 | Coke | iriver: sounds about right |
| 06:13.29 | Coke | Jamsi: you can't. |
| 06:13.47 | iriver | Coke: I made successfully ogg files with abcde, it is really a good program |
| 06:13.59 | Coke | sameer: it depends on the type of DNS support the domain has and your hostname. |
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| 06:14.10 | Coke | iriver: yes, and there are many like it. |
| 06:14.14 | Jamsi | Coke, what about lilo advanced options |
| 06:14.18 | Jamsi | telling it to boot something else? |
| 06:14.19 | Coke | Jamsi: no. |
| 06:14.21 | Jamsi | Another image? |
| 06:14.27 | Jamsi | where it says boot= |
| 06:14.29 | Coke | Jamsi: reboot and then select another image |
| 06:14.31 | Jamsi | How do i get that up? |
| 06:14.31 | sameer | coke : i made a dns entry in the server which runs windows 2003 but it wont work.. |
| 06:14.36 | Coke | Jamsi: reboot |
| 06:14.38 | Jamsi | It doesn't ask me for an image coke |
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| 06:14.46 | Coke | Jamsi: because you didn't configure it that way. |
| 06:14.50 | iriver | Coke: do you know something about usb detection under kernel 2.6.12?? my i |
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| 06:15.06 | Coke | Jamsi: lilo and it's configuration can only be rewritten while in an operative system. |
| 06:15.10 | iriver | Coke: my iRiver H340 is not detected and thus hotplug doesn't mount it |
| 06:15.17 | sameer | coke : what i want is to assign access permissions to windows files .. but i cant give access to the machine since it cant be identified |
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| 06:15.39 | Jamsi | Ok so is there anything I can do to try and get in without a bootdisk(rescue disk) or debian CD |
| 06:15.56 | Coke | iriver: i don't know anything about hotplug, but you need to have usbfs and scsi device emulation for usb. |
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| 06:16.31 | iriver | Coke: how is scsi emulation activated? my iriver worked fine under 2.6.11 so I assume I had everything ok |
| 06:16.43 | Coke | iriver: I did it with an ipod yesterday, I googled for "linux ipod" and got some hits, but these things usualy emulates Mass Storage Devices, so any MSD HOWTO should work for you. |
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| 06:17.31 | Coke | sameer: setup a Debian server and have it serve Windows machines instead. Or better yet, make it an all Debian network. |
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| 06:17.56 | iriver | Coke: the strange thing is that, under 2.6.11 when I plugged my iRiver it recognized something manufactured by iRiver, but now, dmesg sais Toshiba!! |
| 06:18.01 | Jamsi | Coke, anyway to get the lilo boot prompt up when bootign? |
| 06:18.01 | Coke | Jamsi: yes, you can boot the installation CD, get a prompt and chroot to your root device, then you can edit the lilo configuration files and update lilo. |
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| 06:18.30 | doug__ | in gimp .. uumm, when running on debian :), where the hell is the invert color thing |
| 06:18.33 | Coke | Jamsi: you have to configure lilo to prompt. man lilo.conf or man lilo should do the trick. |
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| 06:18.46 | Jamsi | Ah okay so you have to configure that from within linux |
| 06:18.46 | libertine | toshiba is garbage |
| 06:18.59 | Coke | iriver: it does not matter as long as it uses the mass storage device protocol. |
| 06:19.00 | Jamsi | I know how to make it promptvia the config file, kinda can't get to it now :) |
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| 06:19.03 | jm_ | you can press ctrl to get lilo prompt, or ctrl-something if it's in menu/GUI mode |
| 06:19.19 | jm_ | it mentiones the key on screen |
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| 06:19.21 | Coke | jm_: even if your lilo does not have any menu items? |
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| 06:19.38 | sameer | coke : im helpless .. i cant do anything ..its lucky i have a debian machine :-) |
| 06:20.05 | iriver | I think I will install kernel 2.6.11, with it, at least, my iRiver worked fine |
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| 06:20.06 | Coke | Jamsi: get into your system and install GRUB as fast as you can. it can not only edit menus from boot, but also read ext2/3 partitions. |
| 06:20.10 | dondelelcaro | doug__: there are a couple of dozen ways to do it; using the levels tool is a classic method |
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| 06:20.15 | Fatal | what's up with sid? not a update to packages since july 21. |
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| 06:20.32 | Jamsi | Coke, I need to be on-site though. Trying to tell a non-linux person how to get in |
| 06:20.37 | dondelelcaro | Fatal: if you're using sid; you really need to be subscribed to debian-devel-announce. |
| 06:20.44 | levander | Anybody in here has gotten udftools to work? I'm having trouble figuring out where to get started with it. |
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| 06:20.50 | Jamsi | Would be good if lilo had a key like f8 in Windows :) |
| 06:20.51 | dondelelcaro | Fatal: go and read the d-d-a archives immediately. |
| 06:20.55 | Coke | sameer: well, like I said, if they have some version of bind that can take updates it will work. |
| 06:20.58 | Fatal | dondelelcaro: will do! *bows* |
| 06:21.15 | lvdsn | hello |
| 06:21.34 | Coke | Jamsi: yeah, well, booting the installer CD and chroot'ing is the way I would solve that problem. |
| 06:21.53 | jm_ | Coke: you can still get a prompt |
| 06:21.55 | iriver | hey, just one question, there are kernel images for i686 and i686smp, what does smp mean? |
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| 06:22.05 | Coke | jm_: what good will it do? |
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| 06:22.07 | Jamsi | jm_, do you remember the key? |
| 06:22.24 | Jamsi | Once I get the lilo prompt I should be able to do boot=/blarh |
| 06:22.27 | Coke | jm_: can you switch kernel image from that prompt? |
| 06:22.41 | jm_ | Jamsi: left ctrl or left shift, should be in Lilo docs - keep pressing both until you see it |
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| 06:22.57 | Jamsi | I'll give it a try jm_ |
| 06:23.04 | jm_ | Coke: no, it's not as powerful as GRUB |
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| 06:23.05 | iriver | what does smp in the kernel images mean? |
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| 06:23.07 | Coke | Jamsi: remember to replace lilo with GRUB ASAP. |
| 06:23.15 | Jamsi | Heh yep :) |
| 06:23.22 | Coke | jm_: so to what end would the prompt help? |
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| 06:23.29 | Jamsi | the other thing, I have no idea what the image name would be |
| 06:23.36 | Jamsi | boot=/boot/img-. ? |
| 06:23.43 | Jamsi | linux.old or something>? |
| 06:23.45 | Coke | Jamsi: if you don't know how should we? it's your machine. |
| 06:23.52 | Coke | Jamsi: CHANGE TO GRUB |
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| 06:24.02 | Jamsi | Doesn't it rename the previous one to something like linux.old? If I remember correctly. |
| 06:24.15 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: those are just symlinks, but yes, that's often the way it works. |
| 06:24.17 | lvdsn | hello |
| 06:24.19 | iriver | Coke: why change to GRUB? |
| 06:24.20 | jm_ | Coke: I have no idea, he wants it, not me ;) |
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| 06:24.37 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: ls -l /boot; to see what the image name is. |
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| 06:24.48 | Coke | Jamsi: 1) boot installation cd 2) chroot to your root device 3) install and configure grub 4) enjoy life with a superb bootloader |
| 06:25.12 | Coke | iriver: because EVERYTHING that Jamsi has been dying to do the last five minutes is easily available in GRUB but not in lilo |
| 06:25.13 | lvdsn | hello, I need the list of packages |
| 06:25.20 | dondelelcaro | there's no need to install grub if you're comfortable with lilo. |
| 06:25.32 | dondelelcaro | lvdsn: which list of packages? We only have 17000 of the things. |
| 06:25.33 | lvdsn | that each Sarge's CD have |
| 06:25.39 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 06:25.39 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. |
| 06:25.42 | Coke | Jamsi: from grub you can read ext2/3 which means you can search for your kernel images from the bootloader. |
| 06:25.48 | iriver | Coke: time ago I was also suggested to change to grub, but I notive everything in debian is lilo based |
| 06:26.00 | dondelelcaro | iriver: the default for i386 is grub now; |
| 06:26.00 | jm_ | iriver: no, GRUB is default in Sarge |
| 06:26.03 | Coke | iriver: you noticed wrong |
| 06:26.10 | lvdsn | dpkg, ok ok |
| 06:26.11 | dondelelcaro | but again, it's architecture dependant. |
| 06:26.11 | dpkg | [ok] not ok |
| 06:26.22 | iriver | Ah, perhaps I noticed it in the previous stable |
| 06:26.23 | jm_ | too bad GRUB run on x86 only, apparently GRUB 2 is supposed to run on multiple platforms |
| 06:26.28 | jm_ | runs* |
| 06:26.35 | iriver | the last stable I installed upgrading, not from scratch |
| 06:26.36 | Jamsi | Coke, boot cd is in |
| 06:26.41 | Jamsi | Chroot to root device, how ? |
| 06:26.47 | dondelelcaro | jm_: where multiple platforms is currently only equal to i386, ppc. ;-) |
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| 06:26.56 | Coke | Jamsi: chroot <root device> |
| 06:27.04 | Jamsi | from the boot= ? |
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| 06:27.17 | Coke | no, from a bash prompt |
| 06:27.21 | Jamsi | ah |
| 06:27.39 | Jamsi | Yeah but how do I get to a bash prompt from the isntall CD |
| 06:27.51 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: yup, but I suppose at least its build system and the code are written in a way to easily add more if needed/feasible |
| 06:27.53 | Coke | Jamsi: you start the installer and switch to another TTY |
| 06:27.58 | deadcat | Jamsi: rescue |
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| 06:28.04 | sobersabre | hello |
| 06:28.05 | Coke | oh, yeah. |
| 06:28.07 | Coke | that's right. |
| 06:28.09 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: specify an appropriate root option; or start the installer and run a console. |
| 06:28.10 | fas3r | Jamsi, it's ALT+F2 |
| 06:28.12 | sobersabre | i am trying to firewall nfs server. |
| 06:28.29 | Jamsi | deadcat rescue root= ? |
| 06:28.32 | sobersabre | Is there any consideration on why NOT to set NFS daemons to sit on static ports ? |
| 06:28.40 | deadcat | Jamsi: press F1 or one of the Fx and read |
| 06:28.43 | Coke | Jamsi: do you have anything of importance on that machine? |
| 06:28.49 | Jamsi | Yes haha |
| 06:28.54 | dondelelcaro | jm_: supposedly... but then again, it's a question of people bothering to add them. Most other platforms have saner methods of booting than what i386 does |
| 06:29.04 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: indeed |
| 06:29.42 | Coke | Jamsi: you are way in over your head. don't make your own kernels unless you know these things, don't use lilo and always make an option to use the latest bootable kernel available. |
| 06:30.15 | Jamsi | Coke, someone else updated the kernel without my permission |
| 06:30.26 | lvdsn | dpkg i have de 14 cd's |
| 06:30.32 | Coke | Jamsi: GAARGH! Make them suffer! :) |
| 06:31.15 | lvdsn | dpkg, in the first cd, i don't find any part |
| 06:31.38 | iriver | is there some automated way for changing from lilo to grub? |
| 06:31.38 | lvdsn | dpkg, or i need the jidgo image ? |
| 06:31.39 | Jamsi | Coke, tell me about it. He's a linux guru apparently too. Manages over 200 Linux machines |
| 06:31.46 | Coke | Jamsi: but, in all seriousness, it's pretty difficult to rescue a system when you have no clue as to how it works. You should try to find a how-to, guide or FAQ that tells you step by step how to fix this, print it and then just follow the instructions. |
| 06:31.52 | Coke | Jamsi: what? |
| 06:31.53 | dondelelcaro | lvdsn: the .jigdo file, not the image itself. |
| 06:32.06 | Coke | Jamsi: and can't boot'n'chroot? |
| 06:32.14 | lvdsn | dondelelcaro, ok ok thanks i am look for that |
| 06:32.15 | jm_ | hah it says development versions of GRUB 2 also support sparc64 |
| 06:32.27 | Coke | Jamsi: let me try to help you find that guide on google. |
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| 06:32.44 | Jamsi | Coke, the guy that screwed it :) |
| 06:33.16 | iriver | Coke: is there some automatic way for changing lilo with grub? |
| 06:33.21 | Coke | Jamsi: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO.html |
| 06:33.27 | Coke | iriver: yes, apt-get install grub |
| 06:33.50 | iriver | Coke: if I do so, grub will take my lilo.conf and adapt it? |
| 06:34.04 | Coke | Jamsi: that lilo crash howto is exactly what you want. |
| 06:34.07 | deadcat | iriver: no |
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| 06:34.32 | iriver | deadcat: ah, this is what I wanted, is there some automatic script that does lilo replacement with grub? |
| 06:34.42 | Jamsi | Cheers coke. |
| 06:35.20 | Coke | iriver: I don't know whether or not Debian includes a menu.lst these days, but in the olden days one would have to google for someones menu.lst to use as a template or remember it. |
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| 06:35.59 | deadcat | iriver: no but what you have in lilo? 1 kernel? debian will detect all kernels and dump to the menu.lst file. |
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| 06:36.05 | iriver | Coke: ok, I will place grub in my list of todo things, but I will read first on grub configuration |
| 06:36.06 | Coke | Jamsi: that howto doesn't tell you how to install grub instead, but first make sure that you can boot your system and then worry about upgrading the bootloader. |
| 06:36.26 | Coke | deadcat: Debian does that these days? excellent! |
| 06:36.48 | deadcat | Coke: its been doing that |
| 06:37.19 | Jamsi | Thanks guys, Im in. Thanks to _jm, the ctrl shift thing worked, lilo prompt came up. |
| 06:38.27 | Coke | Jamsi: yeah, but the prompt won't help you. |
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| 06:38.48 | Jamsi | It allowed me to select an older kernel version. |
| 06:38.52 | Jamsi | Its cool, thanks guys. |
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| 06:39.02 | Coke | Jamsi: ah. I thought you said you didn't have it. |
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| 06:39.10 | Jamsi | I will now proceed to kick the guys ass who upgraded the kernel. |
| 06:39.26 | Coke | Jamsi: yes, and don't go soft either. :) |
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| 06:39.46 | Coke | Jamsi: call him a "Windows user" to his face. |
| 06:39.47 | dondelelcaro | Jamsi: yes; you should beat him over the head with man lilo; and the -R option. |
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| 06:40.45 | Jamsi | Believe me I will |
| 06:40.45 | fas3r | the the port using by the command ping ? |
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| 06:41.26 | lvdsn | dondelelcaro, dpkg gracias |
| 06:41.30 | lvdsn | por la ayuda |
| 06:41.33 | fas3r | sorry, what the port using by ping? |
| 06:41.33 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: I have no idea what you're asking for; ping talks ICMP, not tcp or udp. |
| 06:41.42 | fas3r | ha yes ok |
| 06:42.15 | fas3r | because it's using broacasting... |
| 06:42.52 | jm_ | you're utterly confused |
| 06:43.24 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: no, because it's using ICMP. ICMP doesn't things like "ports" |
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| 06:44.32 | Coke | sentence fragment |
| 06:44.50 | Coke | "sentence fragment is sentence fragment" / Lisa Simpson |
| 06:45.03 | dondelelcaro | yes yes... there's a missing "do" there if anyone actually cares. |
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| 06:45.23 | SDFH_Linux | guys have they fixed the files that make gaim work in unstable? |
| 06:45.38 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I was thinking of fas3rs question :) |
| 06:45.45 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: can you apt-get? then no |
| 06:45.46 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: gaim works fine here in unstable; if you're having issues, install an older version of it using snapshot.debian.net |
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| 06:46.08 | SDFH_Linux | wasnt it missing some files that werent uploaded yet? |
| 06:48.34 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: ya. it was missing a config file so they didnt upload the latest |
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| 06:49.24 | SDFH_Linux | so gaim 1.4 is not working yet then |
| 06:49.29 | SDFH_Linux | in unstable |
| 06:49.42 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: if you cant get it. its not working. |
| 06:49.44 | sobersabre | i am considering to filter nfs traffic to nfs server. for this to work i want to set nfs services to be on static ports. are there any reasons NOT to do this ? |
| 06:50.39 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 06:52.56 | jm_ | sobersabre: tried reading NFS HOWTO? |
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| 06:53.30 | bojangles | does anyone have the blobs and clobs working on debian...there seems to be a problem with sarge |
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| 06:54.29 | bojangles | now as you know blobs and clobs are quite useful for free software efforts...so it is important to get this working |
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| 06:55.59 | jm_ | are you talking about blobwars package? |
| 06:56.11 | bojangles | no...man the useful stuff like blobs and clobs |
| 06:56.19 | sobersabre | jm_, i have long time ago... |
| 06:56.20 | dondelelcaro | or is this some wierd discussion about the SQL types BLOB and CLOB? |
| 06:56.30 | bojangles | binary large object and character large object sql support |
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| 06:56.31 | libertine | apt-get install quake2,it need to download the shareware quake2.exe,only download needn't pay for it ? |
| 06:56.40 | jm_ | sobersabre: ok, do it again, because it has a section about NFS and firewalls |
| 06:56.48 | dondelelcaro | bojangles: ok; which database are you talking about? |
| 06:57.09 | bojangles | dondelelcaro, hell i can't get anything debian has to properly support blobs and clobs |
| 06:57.22 | bojangles | dondelelcaro, there still seems to be some problem with the free software. |
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| 06:57.41 | dondelelcaro | bojangles: you'll have to be way less vague if you want anyone's assistance on this channel. |
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| 06:58.56 | bojangles | dondelelcaro, well ok...suppose i was designing a free database of all the world's geographical locations from a binary or picturesque approach....ie...lots and lots of large graphical objects to be stored and manipulated in free databases on free software. |
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| 06:59.03 | lvdsn | dondelelcaro, now, how can I create a table with all dependencies of all packages of any cd ? |
| 06:59.05 | dondelelcaro | bojangles: yes, and? |
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| 06:59.25 | libertine | good things |
| 06:59.58 | dondelelcaro | lvdsn: by using grep-dctrl on the Packages file with some sed (or perl) goodness. |
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| 07:05.55 | sobersabre | jm_, done. thanks. it seems it is a suggestion to use static ports. i maybe miss any consideration why NOT to do it ... is there something about it ? |
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| 07:06.35 | bojangles | and i still don't see how to directly handle muti-keyed arrays...in debian....perhaps i am missing something because i thought debian was thorougly tested. |
| 07:06.58 | jm_ | sobersabre: well there's no real reason for it, except maybe to pick a random, unused port |
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| 07:07.20 | jm_ | heh |
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| 07:09.00 | Coke | where can I see the currently used charset? |
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| 07:13.29 | jeh | are new packages trickling into unstable again after the server fix? |
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| 07:15.17 | sobersabre | jm_, so the only "added value" is the randomness of port. if you are not allowed to get into nfs, you shouldn't be able to access it on any port anyways... |
| 07:15.52 | sobersabre | thanks! |
| 07:16.17 | sobersabre | BTW, jm_ is there any more secure alternatives to DNS ? |
| 07:16.27 | sobersabre | let's say... based on x509 ... ? |
| 07:18.45 | jm_ | sobersabre: randomness doesn't help much there, because you can alwaus query portmapper for the port - so you must ensure you always take protective measures |
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| 07:18.55 | jm_ | sobersabre: you can always rely on /etc/hosts :) |
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| 07:19.34 | sobersabre | jm_, i don't know what takes more resources - to drop a packet with iptables or to deny with tcpwrapper... |
| 07:19.39 | jm_ | sobersabre: you mean things like www.dnssec.net? |
| 07:19.47 | jm_ | sobersabre: the latter |
| 07:19.59 | kenboo | what hash method is used for /etc/shadow? |
| 07:20.04 | sobersabre | jm_, maybe, i haven't heard of dnssec. but sounds nice... |
| 07:20.11 | kenboo | md5 or sha? how to check which one? |
| 07:20.13 | sobersabre | kenboo, depends what you ask it too |
| 07:20.29 | sobersabre | it should be written in the defaults of passwd util. |
| 07:20.44 | sobersabre | kenboo, on debian it is usually md |
| 07:20.56 | kenboo | ic. thanks |
| 07:21.22 | jm_ | Debian asks you about it when you install it, you can also configure it later |
| 07:21.29 | sobersabre | jm_, true. |
| 07:21.40 | sobersabre | usually you want to use md5 though :) |
| 07:21.51 | kenboo | dpkg-reconfigure passwd? |
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| 07:21.58 | sobersabre | kenboo, why not :) |
| 07:22.02 | jm_ | indeed |
| 07:22.06 | libertine | root's password |
| 07:22.22 | eddi3 | SRV194FS:/home/UsersData# for i in *; do chown -R DOM194WNT\\$(basename $i) $i ; done |
| 07:22.22 | eddi3 | chown: `DOM194WNT\\vk94sr': invalid user |
| 07:22.35 | eddi3 | what am i doing wrong? how do i only make \ appear once |
| 07:22.39 | kenboo | hmm it asked me if i want to use shadow but didn't ask me hash method.. |
| 07:22.42 | sobersabre | just make sure you don't logout before changing the password with this new way after the reconfiguration ... :p |
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| 07:23.05 | deadcat | eddi3: thats what you get for having weird names |
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| 07:23.14 | jm_ | yeah I just noticed, passwd in Sarge no longer asks about it |
| 07:23.22 | kenboo | oh really |
| 07:23.26 | eddi3 | deadcat winbind defaults to using '\' |
| 07:23.38 | jm_ | you can check /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 07:24.06 | kenboo | ok that's what i wanted to know. thanks |
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| 07:24.17 | omnikron | hi :) |
| 07:24.25 | libertine | hi:) |
| 07:26.58 | omnikron | I am trying to get basic kde package working cause of the dependency problems in sid (libaspell). I tryed to apt-get source kdelibs4 + dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot but the compilation fail... same with gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0 |
| 07:27.21 | libertine | right,i have the same problems |
| 07:27.26 | omnikron | i could use konstruct tout compile kde, but i prefer debian packages |
| 07:27.29 | omnikron | :) |
| 07:27.31 | libertine | waiting for .... |
| 07:27.49 | omnikron | ...konstruct to* compile... |
| 07:28.06 | libertine | who can tell me some good linux games,i like majiang |
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| 07:28.56 | deadcat | libertine: tetris |
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| 07:29.26 | libertine | introduction |
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| 07:29.55 | jm_ | libertine: xkobo |
| 07:29.58 | possie | do network cards use device files? |
| 07:30.02 | jm_ | torcs |
| 07:30.05 | jm_ | possie: no |
| 07:30.21 | possie | jm_: i knew that, but now the imporant question, why not? :-) |
| 07:30.27 | omnikron | ok second probleme, I am running 2.6.12 kernel... I can build ATI 8.14.13 drivers for xorg but there is a problem on load (cannot init agp)... i applied the following patch : fglrx-2.6.12.patch |
| 07:30.44 | jm_ | possie: I don't remember the details, it's some legacy thing |
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| 07:31.14 | omnikron | libertine: enemy territory |
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| 07:34.18 | golly | hey all....I use KPackage a lot to update my installs......is there a way to search the descriptive text ?? reason : sometimes I don't know the name of the package i need to install |
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| 07:34.57 | dondelelcaro | golly: best to use the command line tools like apt-cache; or similar. debtags may also be of utility. |
| 07:35.06 | dondelelcaro | golly: /msg dpkg search; for details |
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| 07:36.22 | golly | dondelelcaro: yeah but does that allow textual searches? |
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| 07:36.40 | deadcat | textual? |
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| 07:37.50 | Dazgard | hi |
| 07:38.23 | golly | deadcat: as in ....search for "DVD making software" rather than the name of the package |
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| 07:38.46 | golly | deadcat: sorry it should have read "contextual" |
| 07:38.54 | jm_ | golly: debtags was created exactly for this purpose |
| 07:38.55 | golly | deadcat: not textual...... |
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| 07:39.05 | golly | jm_ debtags eh? |
| 07:39.10 | golly | might try that out |
| 07:39.29 | Dazgard | im trying to get postfix + sasl working on debian stable, but it keep on givinbg me the fellowing errors : |
| 07:39.30 | Dazgard | SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
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| 07:39.49 | Milkmannetje | mensen, ik ben gloednieuw in linux, en moet een intel graphics driver installeren... is dat te doen? Ik werk in de grafische omgeving van Ubuntu Linux |
| 07:39.59 | Dazgard | drwx--x--- 2 root sasl 4.0K Jul 28 09:15 /var/run/saslauthd/ |
| 07:40.00 | Dazgard | inetsrv:/etc/postfix# |
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| 07:40.14 | golly | jm_: am on the debtags trail as we speak.....thanx |
| 07:40.18 | Dazgard | inetsrv:/etc/postfix# ls -lhd /var/run/saslauthd/ |
| 07:40.18 | Dazgard | drwx--x--- 2 root sasl 4.0K Jul 28 09:15 /var/run/saslauthd/ |
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| 07:40.49 | liable_ | !nl |
| 07:40.50 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 07:40.57 | Dazgard | and the rights on the files in the directory are : |
| 07:41.03 | Dazgard | inetsrv:/etc/postfix# ls -lh /var/run/saslauthd/ |
| 07:41.03 | Dazgard | total 0 |
| 07:41.03 | Dazgard | srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 28 09:04 mux |
| 07:41.03 | Dazgard | -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jul 28 09:04 mux.accept |
| 07:41.03 | Dazgard | --w------T 1 root root 0 Jul 28 09:04 saslauthd.pid.lock |
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| 07:41.45 | Milkmannetje | he debhelper, heb jij ff tijd voor mij? |
| 07:41.47 | Dazgard | rehi :) |
| 07:41.53 | Dazgard | sorry for the flood |
| 07:42.38 | liable | Milkmannetje: english? |
| 07:42.46 | Milkmannetje | yes, but rather dutch |
| 07:42.56 | Milkmannetje | can you help me then? |
| 07:42.58 | liable | !de |
| 07:42.58 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 07:43.08 | liable | err. |
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| 07:43.46 | Milkmannetje | i need to install a graphics driver (intel) |
| 07:43.50 | Milkmannetje | how do I do that |
| 07:44.00 | Milkmannetje | and yes... im a windowschild :P |
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| 07:44.20 | liable | Milkmannetje: you can try #debian.nl if you prefer dutch |
| 07:44.27 | Milkmannetje | ok.. |
| 07:44.32 | peterS | buu: check with the ops, maybe, but I think we don't need another paste bot in here. we have paster |
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| 07:44.37 | jm_ | Milkmannetje: it comes with XFree86/X.org, but the problem is that you often need more recent version than available |
| 07:45.22 | jm_ | ok go weg then ;) |
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| 07:45.41 | Milkmannetje | The dutch channel is empty :P |
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| 07:46.13 | golly | hey how does debtags work? is there a pretty GUI? |
| 07:46.21 | buu | peterS: Eh? Do you? I've never noticed it. I just had a bunch of channels it usually joins, my bot has been in here for a couple of months now. |
| 07:46.23 | Milkmannetje | i have downloaded linux drivers (intel) and they are on my desktop... And now? |
| 07:46.37 | peterS | buu: oh, well, I never noticed your bot until it cycled just now |
| 07:46.44 | buu | heh |
| 07:46.53 | deadcat | mmilinux driver for what? |
| 07:46.59 | peterS | and yes, I knew immediately who was responsible for something called erxz_paste |
| 07:47.00 | deadcat | Milkmannetje: ^^ |
| 07:47.01 | buu | Yeah, it just hangs around. It doesn't actually get used all that much, but that's ok. |
| 07:47.36 | Milkmannetje | yes I'm a noob ... but is it simply to do? |
| 07:47.43 | deadcat | !noob |
| 07:47.43 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 07:47.55 | Milkmannetje | fff.... okay |
| 07:48.07 | deadcat | Milkmannetje: i am a noob too |
| 07:48.15 | kadigibox | how difficult is it to set up printers if you move from cupsys-bsd to lpr when you use things like gimpprint to run printers |
| 07:48.29 | teufel | I am trying ot use dreamweaver to edit my site via ftp. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. Like it started doing this thing where it freezes on 'retrieving remote folder information' wtf is going on? |
| 07:48.37 | Milkmannetje | deadcat but can you install drivers? |
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| 07:48.48 | deadcat | Milkmannetje: driver for WHAT? |
| 07:49.01 | Milkmannetje | for my graphics card |
| 07:49.11 | Milkmannetje | onboard intel |
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| 07:49.43 | jm_ | kadigibox: from cupsys-bsd to lpr? cupsys-bsd *provides* lpr |
| 07:49.45 | Milkmannetje | Cause now it only runs at 640 resolution |
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| 07:49.57 | IsaacHaze | milkmannetje: WHAT model Intel graphics card |
| 07:50.06 | deadcat | !drxx Milkmannetje |
| 07:50.10 | dpkg | Milkmannetje: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 07:50.27 | Milkmannetje | 845ge |
| 07:50.31 | deadcat | ^^ whatthehell? |
| 07:50.31 | liable | theres a patch for one of em, cant remember its name though. |
| 07:51.12 | Milkmannetje | what? |
| 07:51.13 | jm_ | gotta hate low-end/enterprise PC-s with shitty intel on-board graphics |
| 07:51.23 | deadcat | Milkmannetje: taht wasnt for you. |
| 07:51.33 | jm_ | what's worse, I will probably get one next year at work |
| 07:51.56 | Milkmannetje | ... |
| 07:52.13 | b3nj | hello everybody |
| 07:52.15 | deadcat | Milkmannetje: follow dpkg's instruction |
| 07:52.32 | Milkmannetje | so I understand that there isn't a simple install file... I have to do it manually? |
| 07:52.36 | teufel | I am trying ot use dreamweaver to edit my site via ftp. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. Like it started doing this thing where it freezes on 'retrieving remote folder information' wtf is going on? |
| 07:53.08 | deadcat | Milkmannetje: follow the instruction. if you cant do that. i doubt anyone can help you |
| 07:53.26 | Milkmannetje | ok.... thanks |
| 07:53.26 | kadigibox | jm_, I am wanting to install printbill and it wants to REMOVE cupsys-bsd and install lpr |
| 07:53.27 | b3nj | got a little problem while trying to mount my reiserfs harddrive, it tells me that my partition isn't a valid block device. |
| 07:53.47 | liable | ah, was thinking of 855resolution, wrong chip |
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| 07:54.02 | jm_ | kadigibox: yeah, printbill is a billing system for lprng |
| 07:54.04 | kadigibox | and I need printbill unless there is another program that will work with cupsys-bsd |
| 07:54.55 | jm_ | kadigibox: you can do accounting with CUPS too |
| 07:55.16 | kadigibox | for color? |
| 07:55.55 | kadigibox | cause if I can do that I need to know how cause I rather not remove cupsys-bsd just to get accounting |
| 07:56.07 | jm_ | well you'll have to investigate that |
| 07:56.46 | kadigibox | I tried finding packages for that but couldnt |
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| 07:57.24 | kadigibox | only package that I ever came up with was printbill and it wants to remove cupsys-bsd |
| 07:57.37 | Milkmannetje | how do I reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 07:58.04 | jm_ | Milkmannetje: ffs, you were told 5 minutes ago |
| 07:58.20 | jm_ | kadigibox: CUPS page mentiones PyKota |
| 07:58.22 | Milkmannetje | no.. |
| 07:58.25 | IsaacHaze | !drxx Milkmannetje |
| 07:58.26 | dpkg | Milkmannetje: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:59.00 | Milkmannetje | how do I start it? |
| 07:59.09 | jm_ | yes you were, another moron who comes asking for help and then doesn't bother reading the screen |
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| 07:59.43 | Milkmannetje | I read it. thanks for that, but I have no idea how to acces that config file |
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| 08:00.02 | jm_ | you run that command, you don't touch the file by hand if you're a newbie like you |
| 08:00.29 | liable | Milkmannetje: you just type it into a console. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 08:00.37 | Milkmannetje | ok |
| 08:00.41 | Milkmannetje | sorry |
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| 08:09.46 | tracysun | how to open .iso files |
| 08:10.05 | izn0g | tracysun: mount -t loop ? |
| 08:12.18 | peterS | no, mount -r -t iso9660 -o loop |
| 08:12.44 | jm_ | or use isoinfo |
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| 08:12.57 | tracysun | ok |
| 08:14.54 | deadcat | tracysun: try vi. works for me |
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| 08:20.27 | mlado | eloo |
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| 08:21.28 | straylor | I have tried to signin to ebay using Firefox, Opera and Konquer browsers but all of them hang after I enter by username and password and ides why? |
| 08:21.35 | mlado | i need help ith konfigure ma router, i need suport for pptp and l2tp protocol :-) |
| 08:21.48 | tracysun | how to see the size of a file or a directory? |
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| 08:22.04 | liable | straylor: hmm, someone else was complaining about that the other day. works here though. |
| 08:22.25 | mlado | tracysun: ls -la file |
| 08:22.48 | straylor | liable: I installed debian from the knoppix CD |
| 08:22.50 | tracysun | thans |
| 08:23.03 | mlado | nz |
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| 08:23.04 | straylor | does that make any difference |
| 08:23.52 | Trace | when i tried to set an var through: pathcc="/mnt/C/Documents\ and\ Settings/All\ Users/", but when i try : cd $pathcc, i think it is wrong, but i don't know where, can anybody help me? |
| 08:24.31 | jm_ | Trace: cd "$pathcc" |
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| 08:25.39 | straylor | quiet in here for so many members |
| 08:25.53 | Trace | jm_, also wrong |
| 08:26.05 | straylor | ? |
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| 08:28.23 | jm_ | Trace: lose the backslashes |
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| 08:29.24 | Trace | what do you mean? jm_? |
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| 08:30.09 | Trace | because pathcc is a path that include "blank space" |
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| 08:30.49 | Trace | because i can: cd /mnt/C/Documents\ and\ Settings/All\ Users/, it is ok. so, i set pathcc="/mnt/C/Documents\ and\ Settings/All\ Users/" |
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| 08:31.10 | Trace | but it is wrong when i try to : cd $pathcc |
| 08:31.33 | tamere | Hi there. Does someone have the kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 package available (not the 2.4.27-2-686) ? |
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| 08:32.14 | jm_ | Trace: pathcc="/mnt/c/bla bla/more crap" |
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| 08:34.46 | Trace | jm_, what does bla mean? sorry, i am a newbie |
| 08:34.58 | jm_ | Trace: it means replace it with your own string |
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| 08:36.17 | Trace | jm_. do you mean"/mnt/C/Documents and Settings/All Users/"? |
| 08:36.26 | jm_ | !win trace |
| 08:36.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, trace! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 08:37.35 | Trace | what do you mean? dpkg? |
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| 08:38.01 | peter__ | hi guys |
| 08:38.17 | peter__ | does anybody know a good "SMTP Relay Scanner"? |
| 08:38.19 | Rydekull | jm_: now you confused him :( |
| 08:38.23 | jm_ | Trace: dpkg congratulated you on your successful string substitution ;) |
| 08:38.24 | jm_ | Rydekull: hehe |
| 08:38.48 | petemc | peter__: for yourself? telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org |
| 08:38.58 | peter__ | no, for productive use |
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| 08:39.14 | petemc | peter__: what the fuck is productive use? script kiddie shit? |
| 08:39.14 | peter__ | for a small company... the scanner should be able to scan ip ranges |
| 08:39.19 | peter__ | ?? |
| 08:39.25 | peter__ | no... |
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| 08:39.49 | peter__ | we have customers and we don't want them to have an open relay behind our mail servers |
| 08:40.06 | peter__ | something like dsbl |
| 08:40.24 | peter__ | but only for internal purposes |
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| 08:40.51 | cratos | Has anybody noticed how slow the random generator works with Debian 3.1? |
| 08:40.59 | mdh | peter__: telnet to port 25 on their boxes and speak smtp to it |
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| 08:41.34 | peter__ | do you know which smtp checkers the guys from "dsbl.org" use? |
| 08:41.43 | Trace | oh!! Thx very much!! Jm_ |
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| 08:41.47 | tarzeau | how can i make a Makefile that runs Makefiles in subdirectories? |
| 08:41.48 | jm_ | Trace: enjoy |
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| 08:42.28 | mdh | tarzeau: vim Makefile |
| 08:42.30 | jm_ | tarzeau: pretty simple, info make -> Recursion |
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| 08:43.53 | crocodile | anyone knows how can i put a command on boot (mount FAT32)? |
| 08:44.31 | deadcat | crocodile: what command? |
| 08:44.35 | jm_ | crocodile: you can do that by editing fstab |
| 08:44.48 | Rydekull | !tell crocodile fstab |
| 08:44.50 | tarzeau | jm_: thanks |
| 08:44.55 | crocodile | mount /dev/hda/ media/point |
| 08:45.03 | crocodile | i wanna put this command on boot |
| 08:45.15 | crocodile | i don't wanna write it each time i restart my PC |
| 08:45.31 | Rydekull | we just told ya how |
| 08:45.35 | deadcat | crocodile: read ^^ fstab stuff |
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| 08:46.07 | crocodile | ftsab ok... |
| 08:47.04 | crocodile | can u tell me command for write on FAT32 i can only read it |
| 08:47.28 | cratos | Does anybody have apg installed on Debian 3.1 i386? On Debian 3.1 PPC with 2.6.8 kernel the command takes about 10 minutes, it used to be < 1sec. Any idea why? |
| 08:47.34 | jm_ | crocodile: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 08:47.58 | jm_ | cratos: maybe ask in #debian-ppc |
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| 08:48.43 | cratos | jm_: thanks, but I would like to know if new i386 has the same issue. |
| 08:48.57 | jm_ | cratos: let me try it |
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| 08:49.34 | cratos | jm_: I use CA |
| 08:49.34 | cratos | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.34 | cratos | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.34 | cratos | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.34 | cratos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:49.35 | jm_ | ahh crap I use 2.4 kernel ;P |
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| 08:50.09 | theb0y | help! i've created a ramdisk.. and i fail to write more data then allowed :s root@linux:/# mount -o loop rd /mnt/rd ; du -hs /mnt/rd ; df -h | grep rd ; touch /mnt/rd/test |
| 08:50.10 | theb0y | 357K /mnt/rd |
| 08:50.10 | theb0y | touch: cannot touch `/mnt/rd/test': No space left on device |
| 08:50.10 | theb0y | -> here it says i still have 14M free, but when i want to touch a new file it says no space left, what must i do? |
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| 08:50.45 | mlado | flooders hehe |
| 08:50.48 | mlado | :-) |
| 08:50.48 | cratos | Sorry about that past everybody. |
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| 08:51.09 | jm_ | cratos: well I can only test with 2.4.28 or 2.6.11 |
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| 08:51.31 | jm_ | so it's not that useful for you |
| 08:51.32 | Frode | hi, what arquitecture can i use for a amd xp procesor? |
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| 08:51.51 | mlado | Ferret: sparc |
| 08:51.52 | Slippy | Frode: i386 |
| 08:51.53 | mlado | :-) |
| 08:51.57 | cratos | jm_ : that is ok, try on 2.6.11 the command apg -M SNCL -m 10 -x 10 -a 1 |
| 08:52.07 | Frode | Slippy ah ok |
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| 08:55.20 | dubbaluga | hello, does anybody know, where i can find some information on the mime-settings of gnome 2.8? i can't find the "defaults.list" file, so where does gnome look for its default applications? |
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| 08:56.23 | jm_ | dubbaluga: tried asking in #gnome or on irc.gnome.org? |
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| 08:57.01 | buu_ | This is a tad odd, but I seem to have crashed screen. Normally I would attribute it to just a random bug or something, but I seem to do it on a regular basis. I think I perhaps hit some keystroke that locked it and I don't know how to unlock it. The term I have the screen open won't respond to any key presses, including the screen commands I've tried, and I can't detatch or attach it remotely via screen -D or some such. |
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| 08:57.07 | peter__ | does anybody know a usable "smtp relay checker" |
| 08:57.33 | buu_ | So anyone know if I might have locked it or something? screen -D just hangs around for ever with out returning, for example. |
| 08:57.44 | dubbaluga | jm_, yes, i did,no answer |
| 08:57.53 | wam | buu: try ctrl+q |
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| 08:58.21 | mlado | where i can find some information on the pptp, l2tp for kernel setings and iptables ??? thx |
| 08:58.39 | tracysun | i want to connect lite5200 board to PC,how can i creat the development environment |
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| 08:58.45 | buu_ | wam: SUCESS! |
| 08:58.57 | wam | You hit ctrl+s, which freezes the screen. |
| 08:59.00 | buu | Yay! What exactly d.. ah |
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| 08:59.05 | wam | this can be undone with ctrl+q |
| 08:59.17 | tracysun | mainly the software environment |
| 08:59.20 | buu | Well, that's a new one to me but explains why I manage to do it so damned frequently. Much thanks . |
| 08:59.28 | eatUalive | hi ebody |
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| 09:00.44 | christianp | karsten, are you online? |
| 09:00.47 | christianp | hi all |
| 09:00.58 | doug__ | is there a ssh ftpd out there so i can log in as root easily as with regular ssh? |
| 09:00.58 | tracysun | hi,all |
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| 09:01.53 | cratos | jm_: any succes? |
| 09:02.29 | Slippy | doug__: that would be pretty stupid since ftp isn't encrypted... why on earth do you even want to log in as root thru ssh and ftp? |
| 09:02.52 | doug__ | Slippy: this is gonna start a flame war.. nm.. |
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| 09:03.35 | tracysun | how can i install the bsp.ISO |
| 09:03.51 | jm_ | cratos: sorry, wanted to install it on my system with 2.6 kernel but it wants to mess with my packages and I can't let it do that right now, but it works ok on 2.4.28 (< 1sec) |
| 09:03.53 | eatUalive | I've heard some rumours that there are serious security flaws on sarge ! is it true? |
| 09:04.11 | RabidDog | eatUalive, prolly stareted by MS fans |
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| 09:04.20 | RabidDog | eatUalive, and that'lls tart a flame war |
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| 09:04.23 | RabidDog | start |
| 09:04.41 | eatUalive | radibdog> ah ok lol |
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| 09:05.14 | RabidDog | I am still waiting for sid to start updating though |
| 09:05.23 | eatUalive | rabidog> the truth is that I'm new to dedian and im a little bit scared ;) |
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| 09:05.43 | RabidDog | eatUalive, sacre of what |
| 09:05.47 | cratos | jm_: well after my moronic move of posting my CA PIN codes in this irc chanel I can regenerate my whole PKI envirionment. |
| 09:06.11 | eatUalive | rabiddog> i mean scared of debian |
| 09:06.20 | libertine | eatUalive:sid has dependence problem to install gnome,what can i do |
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| 09:06.34 | RabidDog | libertine, ???? |
| 09:06.42 | RabidDog | libertine, what u asking a noob for |
| 09:06.43 | libertine | why??? |
| 09:06.47 | eatUalive | libertine>that's the pbm with sid... it's not stable |
| 09:06.47 | christianp | i follow Karsten howto (http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html) to backup my files into a tape (DAT). I want the script i use for the cron makes backups of my dirs: /home /var/FileSystem, so i change backupdirs="/home /var/FileSystem", but in this way i obtain the only /home backup. What's the matter? |
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| 09:07.18 | Caeies[taff] | Heya all |
| 09:07.18 | RabidDog | eatUalive, right now sid is going through some transition which doesn happen very often, but usually it's pretty stable |
| 09:07.20 | jm_ | cratos: yes, you have to be careful with that |
| 09:07.20 | eatUalive | libertine> u should try a stable distribution such as sarge i think |
| 09:07.37 | eatUalive | radibdog> ah ... great then |
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| 09:07.52 | RabidDog | eatUalive, I use sid for my home distro |
| 09:07.59 | libertine | but,now i using the unstable version,how can i change the unstable to stable |
| 09:08.11 | Caeies[taff] | any idea on why after a micro electrical interruption mozilla and mozilla-firefox are no more able to be correctly launched ? |
| 09:08.21 | eatUalive | radibdog> normal ... u're already a guru ;) |
| 09:08.29 | Caeies[taff] | I remove the packages / reinstall nothin |
| 09:08.39 | jm_ | Caeies[taff]: try renaming ~/.mozilla and see if it helps |
| 09:08.48 | Caeies[taff] | already done |
| 09:08.49 | libertine | change the apt to stable,and apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:08.52 | Caeies[taff] | without any luck |
| 09:08.59 | RabidDog | eatUalive, if you are worried about stability then try ubunutu |
| 09:09.00 | Caeies[taff] | in fact mozilla is started |
| 09:09.01 | RabidDog | eatUalive, if you are worried about stability then try ubuntu |
| 09:09.04 | Caeies[taff] | but no windows open |
| 09:09.07 | RabidDog | or kanotix |
| 09:09.09 | liable | libertine: you cant really, back up home, and re-install |
| 09:09.13 | cratos | Does anybody else run Debian 3.1 with an 2.6.x kernel who can test the speed of the random generator for me? |
| 09:09.16 | Whisky_ | liable, :) |
| 09:09.20 | RabidDog | liable, since when |
| 09:09.28 | eatUalive | radibdog> no... i love debian ... and i want it to be MY OS u know... |
| 09:09.29 | liable | RabidDog: eh? |
| 09:09.38 | Whisky_ | cratos, sure, whatever that is :\ |
| 09:09.38 | Caeies[taff] | I check with xwinfo and get the windows id, and the only thing I understand is that both windows are unmapped ... |
| 09:09.42 | RabidDog | liable libertine: you cant really, back up home, and re-install <---- beeeeeepp, wrong |
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| 09:09.50 | alexis_ | Hi |
| 09:09.58 | eatUalive | radibdog> it's normal to be afraid at the very beginning i think |
| 09:10.06 | libertine | no,i didn;t want do that,debian can change it state from unstable->stable or from stable to unstable |
| 09:10.12 | liable | RabidDog: you are going to walk him through a downgrade, with the new abi transition? |
| 09:10.16 | RabidDog | libertine, huh |
| 09:10.20 | libertine | i heard this some times |
| 09:10.24 | Whisky_ | cratos, I run Debian 3.1 on a 2.6.x kernel :\ |
| 09:10.27 | Alexmoy | Somebody already had a reboot by doing "iwconfig" ? ^^ |
| 09:10.41 | RabidDog | liable, oh nope.. :) in that situation no it's not possible atm |
| 09:10.52 | cratos | Whisky_: run "apg -M SNCL -m 10 -x 10 -a 1" it should take <1 sec |
| 09:11.02 | eatUalive | radibdog> how long have u been using debian? |
| 09:11.07 | RabidDog | libertine, apt-get install debian-reference-en |
| 09:11.12 | Whisky_ | bash: apg: command not found |
| 09:11.51 | cratos | Whisky_: You need the apg package |
| 09:11.52 | RabidDog | all of you read debian-reference-en at least the first few chapters which will help you understand debian |
| 09:11.57 | libertine | downgrade? lianle please tell me more detail |
| 09:12.22 | Whisky_ | o kkkkkk |
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| 09:12.34 | RabidDog | downgrade is complicated |
| 09:12.43 | liable | libertine: you cant do it easily, way easier to re-install. |
| 09:13.03 | Whisky_ | cratos, hang, getting it |
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| 09:13.56 | liable | RabidDog: wait for the mirrors to sync? |
| 09:14.12 | Whisky_ | cratos, Took <1 second. |
| 09:14.21 | libertine | wait for the GCC4 |
| 09:14.22 | RabidDog | liable, hmm it's been 24 hours, I guess I'll have to wait more |
| 09:14.26 | eatUalive | hey radibdog> how long have u been using debian? |
| 09:14.32 | JohnnyST | About updates shouldn't there be an uppdate soon for Mozilla and firefox is sarge? there was qutie a few security issues in them.. |
| 09:15.03 | RabidDog | eatUalive, since 2002, though I dabbled in gentoo for a whileand came back to debian |
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| 09:15.24 | cratos | Whisky_: ok could you please run it a few times? sometimes it works fast the first 2 times after that about 10 min |
| 09:15.43 | Caeies[taff] | ok found the problem ... |
| 09:15.44 | liable | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 09:15.46 | Caeies[taff] | that's weird |
| 09:15.49 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 09:15.57 | eatUalive | radibdog> ah ok... |
| 09:16.06 | deadcat | firefox, lightweight? HAHAHAHA |
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| 09:16.10 | Whisky_ | cratos, It gets around 1 sec when tried with different perameters. Your parameters take less than a sec. |
| 09:16.13 | RabidDog | deadcat, rotflol |
| 09:16.29 | Caeies[taff] | need to dpkg-reconfigure dependences on fonts ... then it works again (as far as ffx is able to run in sid) |
| 09:16.30 | deadcat | (= |
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| 09:16.50 | Whisky_ | FireFox takes ages to load when its opened. |
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| 09:17.05 | deadcat | Whisky_: ya like ~15sec on my 800mhz |
| 09:17.07 | cratos | Whisky_: thanks a lot, I am off to the debian-ppc channel to see if it is PPC related. |
| 09:17.16 | RabidDog | Whisky_, not realy |
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| 09:17.29 | liable | Whisky_: its not like ie, that loads when windows does... |
| 09:17.29 | eatUalive | radibdog> i've tried to use woody once .. but i have never succeed in running X loll |
| 09:17.38 | RabidDog | deadcat with extensions it tkes a bit to load, with no extensions it's fast |
| 09:17.54 | RabidDog | eatUalive, woody = old old old old stable |
| 09:17.56 | libertine | what's the newest debian version? |
| 09:17.57 | Whisky_ | lol :p |
| 09:18.01 | libertine | sarge |
| 09:18.02 | libertine | ? |
| 09:18.06 | RabidDog | sarge |
| 09:18.10 | Caeies[taff] | \O/ |
| 09:18.13 | deadcat | RabidDog: extention you reffering to? |
| 09:18.19 | RabidDog | etch is next to graduate from testing |
| 09:18.22 | Whisky_ | deadcat, around 15 seconds on my 1.8 GHz too :/ |
| 09:18.25 | eatUalive | rabiddog> lol i know ..; lol |
| 09:18.26 | Caeies[taff] | seems that I solve segfault of ffx too, nice :) |
| 09:18.30 | RabidDog | deadcat, most extension increase ff load times |
| 09:18.50 | deadcat | RabidDog: oh those plugins like adblock eh? ya i got few |
| 09:18.51 | libertine | sarge is already stable |
| 09:19.07 | RabidDog | caedes_, that's a improberly synced lib or kernel on your system |
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| 09:19.20 | Whisky_ | I got none of the plugins, still. |
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| 09:19.41 | deadcat | Whisky_: dang. |
| 09:20.12 | libertine | i need a ftp softeware,who can tell me which is the popular ftp client on linux |
| 09:20.24 | shadower | libertine: ftp |
| 09:20.33 | libertine | ya,ftp |
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| 09:20.42 | libertine | ftp client |
| 09:20.44 | shadower | ... |
| 09:20.44 | CruX_ | is it possible to convert names to uppercase in column in mysql by sql syntax ? |
| 09:20.51 | shadower | libertine: the program is called 'ftp' |
| 09:21.05 | Whisky_ | Anyway, is there a USB wire that has that 'squarish' port at both the ends like the one that you plugin to your USB device ? |
| 09:21.15 | libertine | faint |
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| 09:23.19 | oobawoo | Hey. I was wondering how I might use apt-get to get pine/pico. I was also wondering how I would go about stoping normal users from accessing anything outside their home directory. |
| 09:23.26 | libertine | i need some linux ebook,who can tell me where can get them for free |
| 09:23.33 | tamere | libertine: if you prefer graphic mode, use gftp instead |
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| 09:24.29 | libertine | tamere:thank you,character mode prefer |
| 09:24.44 | sypher | hum ... hey guys ... |
| 09:24.45 | shadower | libertine: faint? |
| 09:24.48 | sypher | a routing question ... |
| 09:24.51 | mdh | libertine: apt-get install ncftp |
| 09:24.54 | libertine | hooooo |
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| 09:25.14 | Whisky_ | ermmm....anyone? |
| 09:25.23 | oobawoo | RabidDog: How do I access it once downloaded? Where did it go? |
| 09:25.33 | shadower | Whisky_: I'd say no. |
| 09:25.41 | sypher | im trying to setup a firewall ... this firewall have 2 NIC ... 1 connected with 3 routers, and the other one connected with the internal LAN. i want that ip from 10.0.0.50-100 will go to a router, and other ip on another router ... someone knowns if this is possible ? |
| 09:25.43 | Whisky_ | omg :O |
| 09:26.00 | libertine | in china,the people always using the word yun(faint) to show he is take a tumble with some thing |
| 09:26.26 | deadcat | libertine: the hell you talking about? |
| 09:26.30 | Whisky_ | so how do i make my USB modem a serial one then? I have a USB-to-Serial thing but it has that 'squarish' thing at one end and the serial port to the other end, cant plugin the USB part :/ |
| 09:26.38 | RabidDog | debian-reference |
| 09:26.44 | zophyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.45 | shadower | 'squarish' - wide or narrow? |
| 09:27.06 | libertine | deadcat:what's your mean |
| 09:27.10 | shadower | libertine: Okay, you don't speak English too well. Here is an answer to your question: You want to use the program ftp |
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| 09:28.06 | Whisky_ | shadower, The part of the USB wire that u plugin into the USB devices, not the part that you plugin into the system =) |
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| 09:28.11 | libertine | shadower:u are right,i only need a ftp client to download something from ftp server |
| 09:28.27 | deadcat | libertine: apt-get install gftp |
| 09:28.32 | shadower | libertine: RUN FTP |
| 09:28.37 | shadower | It's not that hard to grasp the concept. |
| 09:28.53 | transgre1s | how much breakage am i looking at if i were to upgrade to sid from etch? |
| 09:29.12 | shadower | transgre1s: 'upgrade'? You mean downgrade? ;) |
| 09:29.12 | mdh | Whisky_: that "squarish" thing os probably a USB 2.0 connector |
| 09:29.21 | libertine | now,i got it,ftp,gftp,all of them were fulfill the requirement of i needed |
| 09:29.27 | shadower | mdh: There's no difference between USB 1.0, USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 connectors. |
| 09:29.43 | Caeies[taff] | bye all |
| 09:29.48 | Whisky_ | mdh, That's what I'm talking about, the opposite end of a USB wire. |
| 09:29.48 | libertine | bye |
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| 09:29.57 | transgress | shadower: well seeing as the command is umm dist-upgrade... no i don't. |
| 09:30.00 | mdh | shadower: actually there is. |
| 09:30.19 | shadower | mdh: Oh? |
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| 09:31.08 | shadower | transgress: Feh. Just because there isn't a 'downgrade' command... Are you the same as the guy who argued with me for 30mins about Linux having no 'rename' command, despite me telling him on several occasions to use 'mv'? |
| 09:31.25 | mdh | shadower: 2.0 ones are quite square as opposed to quite flattened rectangular. one edge has two bevelled corners. |
| 09:31.50 | Whisky_ | ermmm, can I cut another USB wire and make one my self ? |
| 09:31.54 | shadower | mdh: They're different class/types of connectors, not versions of a protocol. |
| 09:32.05 | deadcat | Whisky_: if you know how sure |
| 09:32.14 | transgress | shadower: nope... definitely not me |
| 09:32.26 | Whisky_ | deadcat, I hope there aint a bunch of wires inside :| |
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| 09:32.40 | shadower | Whisky_: Five IIRC. |
| 09:32.46 | Whisky_ | IIRC ? |
| 09:32.54 | libertine | who can tell me some irc were talking about c/c++ |
| 09:32.59 | shadower | Whisky_: If I Remember Correctly |
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| 09:33.06 | Whisky_ | ahh k. |
| 09:33.09 | Whisky_ | Then no problem |
| 09:33.11 | shadower | transgress: :) Then I'd say there wouldn't be a significant amount of damage. Just some programs not working the same if they're older versions. |
| 09:33.19 | deadcat | libertine: /join #c++ /join #c |
| 09:33.23 | Whisky_ | (i suppose they are different coloured and the same on all? ) |
| 09:33.46 | transgress | shadower: yeah i'm just wondering how much breakage might be going on in sid... since it is... sort of... unstable. |
| 09:34.00 | mdh | transgress: lots |
| 09:34.06 | RabidDog | atm which is not the usual, alot |
| 09:34.32 | shadower | Whisky_: Not too sure. One would assume so, but assumptions just make an ass out of you and me. ;) |
| 09:34.53 | Eonn | Does anyone know what sources I need to add to my APT config file to get more up-to-date application updates (e.g. for gaim, openoffice, and other GNU applications) |
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| 09:35.07 | mdh | an imminent release of stable isn't holding developers back from all the packages they've had waiting |
| 09:35.11 | shadower | Eonn: What release are you using? |
| 09:35.26 | transgress | mdh thanks. |
| 09:35.33 | Whisky_ | np |
| 09:35.48 | mdh | amusingly I installed some packages the other day which hit sid which were originally uploaded 18 months ago |
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| 09:36.48 | echnaton | compiled my own kernel: "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)" and "proc has wrong device number" |
| 09:36.52 | deadcat | libertine: dont /msg me |
| 09:36.55 | transgress | cal 9 1752 <-- does that show up as missing 12 days for anyone else? |
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| 09:37.02 | echnaton | hm maybe its the initrd |
| 09:37.04 | echnaton | that makes problems |
| 09:37.26 | deadcat | libertine: i am here to help/learn only. not planning to get into any online relationships |
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| 09:37.48 | RabidDog | deadcat, :/ ??? |
| 09:37.59 | Slippy | transgress: hmm heh yea |
| 09:38.12 | deadcat | RabidDog: nothing. just a joke. because he /msg me.. |
| 09:38.17 | RabidDog | ah |
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| 09:38.27 | libertine | deadcat:sorry for my questions |
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| 09:38.41 | transgress | hmm how... odd |
| 09:38.47 | transgress | i must write this down |
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| 09:39.23 | deadcat | anyone have video plugin working on a browser? help me see if this work or not: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/video.html |
| 09:39.41 | echnaton | no idea? |
| 09:39.48 | echnaton | anyone compiled his own kernel here? |
| 09:39.58 | transgress | i have before |
| 09:40.01 | deadcat | echnaton: sure. just ask |
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| 09:40.09 | transgress | i normally don't unless i have a good reason though |
| 09:40.10 | gudi | hi |
| 09:40.14 | echnaton | i used the howto README.gz |
| 09:40.17 | echnaton | but didnt work |
| 09:40.17 | cmihai | Well this is intresting... www.sco.com NFT 333 S 520 W Suite 300 Lindon UT US 84042216.250.128.12LinuxApache11-Feb-2005 |
| 09:40.20 | transgress | or if i'm just bored and need ultra geek pron |
| 09:40.21 | cmihai | I wonder if it's debian :) |
| 09:40.29 | gudi | i have attached a usb hdd to my pc how can i figure out which /dev it is |
| 09:40.31 | gudi | ? |
| 09:40.33 | libertine | kaffeine plug-in for mozilla-firefox |
| 09:40.35 | deadcat | echnaton: have you google'ed lately? |
| 09:40.39 | cmihai | gudi: dmesg |
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| 09:40.50 | deadcat | gudi: should be /dev/sda, check /proc/partitions |
| 09:40.54 | echnaton | yes deadcat but nothing worked |
| 09:40.54 | cmihai | Usually mass storage devices are like: sda, sdb (just like sata disks, etc) |
| 09:40.59 | deadcat | echnaton: DONT /msg me. |
| 09:41.07 | deadcat | what the fuck. everybody want to /msg me tonight. |
| 09:41.08 | echnaton | pfff |
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| 09:41.10 | gudi | cmihai, scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 09:41.10 | gudi | WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured |
| 09:41.10 | gudi | USB Mass Storage device found at 2 |
| 09:41.17 | gudi | that the only dmesg say |
| 09:41.28 | cmihai | gudi: dmesg | grep sd |
| 09:41.46 | deadcat | gudi: read my reply ^^ |
| 09:41.54 | gudi | cmihai, nothing just the hdd that are not usb |
| 09:41.58 | echnaton | deadcat, niveler |
| 09:42.02 | echnaton | deadcat, sniveler |
| 09:42.11 | deadcat | echnaton: i wouldnt know what that is |
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| 09:42.28 | deadcat | !tell echnaton about kernel compile |
| 09:42.29 | echnaton | is there a current howto for kernel 2.6 and initrd ? |
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| 09:42.49 | echnaton | /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz i tried but its not current |
| 09:42.59 | igge | if I want some script stuff run at startup, where do I put it? |
| 09:43.00 | echnaton | nothing interesting about initrd and crumfs |
| 09:43.10 | igge | (there is no rc.local?) |
| 09:43.18 | deadcat | igge: /etc/init.d/ then man update-rc.d |
| 09:43.31 | echnaton | /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz sucks |
| 09:43.37 | deadcat | igge: no, debian dont have rc.local. butyou can create your own. |
| 09:43.44 | libertine | everybody attention:myget.sf.net my software mytget,welcome to use |
| 09:43.50 | deadcat | echnaton: then you on your own. |
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| 09:44.12 | deadcat | libertine: stop spamming, if we want a software, we can apt-cache |
| 09:44.14 | echnaton | lol deadcat very helpful |
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| 09:44.24 | deadcat | ^^ fuck head |
| 09:44.27 | cmihai | libertine: isn't sf.net down? :) |
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| 09:45.22 | cmihai | libertine: so, this is aget. Or multi-threaded wget ? |
| 09:45.45 | igge | deadcat: ok.. how would I create my own rc.local? |
| 09:45.46 | libertine | mytget,multi-threaded |
| 09:45.51 | deadcat | igge: vi |
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| 09:46.14 | deadcat | libertine: maybe you should think of a better name. easier to type |
| 09:46.20 | cmihai | So, like, can it use more than one source? Download from multiple different sources? |
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| 09:46.42 | haggisss | i added some sources to /etc/apt/sources.list and get the following at the start of my edited lines E: Malformed line 40 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) line 40 looks like this deb http://debian.hands.com/debian/ im trying kanotix |
| 09:46.43 | igge | deadcat: :) I mean how would I make it run? |
| 09:46.54 | libertine | no,it's the mutil-thread to download from on source, |
| 09:46.58 | deadcat | igge: i told you. read... |
| 09:47.08 | cmihai | libertine: maybe you should change that... |
| 09:47.20 | deadcat | libertine: kinna like wget? |
| 09:47.41 | libertine | deadcat:yes,but more fast than wget |
| 09:47.57 | Slippy | gezz...just type: aptitude show aget |
| 09:48.00 | takatumi | is mytget or myget? |
| 09:48.09 | deadcat | libertine: wget is using all my 150kps, how fast can it geT? |
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| 09:48.25 | libertine | myget is the softeware's name,mytget is command line |
| 09:48.28 | cmihai | Well, there's already aget.. |
| 09:48.37 | deadcat | libertine: thats confusing |
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| 09:49.04 | cmihai | aget (1) - A multithreaded HTTP download accelerator |
| 09:49.16 | ^arky^ | any pppstatus users here |
| 09:49.20 | cmihai | What's does my(t)get have to offer more that that? |
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| 09:49.40 | libertine | i used myget to download mp3 files,wget download it for 102kps,but myget download it 204kps |
| 09:49.46 | deadcat | cmihai: well. hes re-inventing the wheel. |
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| 09:50.11 | ^arky^ | I think pppstatus freezes if you type Ctl+printscreen, anybody know about this and can explain it me or its just a bug |
| 09:50.14 | libertine | a lot more function,but i can't translte them to english |
| 09:50.17 | cmihai | It's the same, it does not support multiple mirrors. Make it support multiple mirrors, and it's cool. (Actually, I'd rather implement thant in wget...) |
| 09:50.24 | libertine | sorry for my poor english |
| 09:50.31 | deadcat | libertine: you saying i can download pron is 1/2 the time? |
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| 09:50.51 | libertine | yes,you can test it |
| 09:51.06 | deadcat | no link |
| 09:51.14 | cmihai | http://myget.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:51.20 | libertine | the break point resume download |
| 09:51.23 | deadcat | cmihai: for porn |
| 09:52.09 | libertine | http://myget.sourceforge.net/release/myget-0.1.0.tar.bz2 |
| 09:52.10 | cmihai | Nee, I use Valknut for that :) |
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| 09:52.25 | jeffro | hey there all |
| 09:52.39 | jeffro | i need some help with my serial joypad |
| 09:52.40 | libertine | mytget -n 10 <url> |
| 09:53.05 | deadcat | libertine: seems like you are trying to advertise your program in #debian |
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| 09:53.32 | cmihai | well, it compiles. |
| 09:53.38 | jeffro | lately i have plugged in my " gravis stinger" joypad in by but i cant get it too work, it uses the serial port, anyone have any idea? |
| 09:54.04 | libertine | i'm a student,i'm fun in programming, |
| 09:54.20 | libertine | no |
| 09:54.29 | jeffro | :( |
| 09:54.34 | cmihai | well, I'm not seeing anything. |
| 09:54.43 | libertine | what? |
| 09:54.45 | deadcat | libertine: i am a student too. you dont see me bragging about it. |
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| 09:55.26 | cmihai | It's not downloading anything so far. |
| 09:55.39 | jeffro | Anyone knows how to install a jostick |
| 09:55.39 | cmihai | myget -n 10 link. Nothing happens. |
| 09:55.41 | deadcat | cmihai: did you read the source? (= |
| 09:55.51 | deadcat | jeffro: no. we dont play games |
| 09:55.52 | cmihai | Running it in qemu :) |
| 09:55.59 | deadcat | bastard (= |
| 09:56.06 | cmihai | I guess it doesn't know about PASV ftp :) |
| 09:56.13 | eatUalive | a joystick.... :( |
| 09:56.15 | libertine | mytget |
| 09:56.20 | libertine | mytget -n 10 |
| 09:56.23 | jeffro | yes a joystick |
| 09:56.24 | deadcat | libertine: HE KNOWS |
| 09:56.27 | libertine | my<t>get |
| 09:56.37 | deadcat | libertine: hes not stupid dude. |
| 09:56.48 | cmihai | libertine: it's not downloading anything. It needs to use passiver |
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| 09:57.13 | jeffro | i tried to use google but i only get dumb long lines of a kernel config file |
| 09:57.21 | cmihai | libertine: well, what about PASV FTP? |
| 09:57.37 | libertine | support |
| 09:58.07 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.10 | libertine | mytget -n 10 http://s022716.stu.cdut.edu.cn/nsbx.mp3 |
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| 09:58.19 | Jacky^ | morning |
| 09:58.20 | jm_ | jeffro: I tested my analogue joystick and a wheel, both work fine |
| 09:58.34 | jeffro | yeah but mine is a serial one |
| 09:58.37 | cmihai | libertine: look, I don't care about that. I have local ftp-s that go up to 5MB/s. I just need it to use PASV |
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| 09:58.49 | libertine | wait a moment for application to creat thread |
| 09:59.05 | deadcat | libertine: oh. now you sharing illegal mp3 too? jesus christ.. |
| 09:59.18 | jeffro | ive already done : apt-get install joystick, apt-get install jscalibrator, apt-get install jslaunch |
| 09:59.24 | jm_ | serial joystick? never heard of that |
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| 09:59.39 | jeffro | when i start jscalibrator it says it cant acces the path or something |
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| 09:59.48 | libertine | sorry for my action |
| 10:00.03 | jeffro | http://www.dansdata.com/stinger.htm |
| 10:00.05 | liable | !confuse jeffro |
| 10:00.07 | dpkg | No, who are my mushroom tomorrow, jeffro? pants of the democracy of swaziland with extra cream |
| 10:00.17 | Jacky^ | I'm tryng to extract some information from a log file: cat /var/log/auth* | grep Failed > mylog.txt but the lines in the new file are not ordered by date. Is there a way to get it by date ? |
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| 10:00.30 | jeffro | !troll liable |
| 10:00.42 | jm_ | Jacky^: no, with your command they are shown as they appear in the file |
| 10:00.43 | liable | jeffro: wtf, asshole. |
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| 10:00.51 | jeffro | im confused |
| 10:00.53 | deadcat | libertine: the bot dont lie. (= |
| 10:00.56 | jm_ | Jacky^: and auth* should be chronologically sorted! |
| 10:01.36 | Jacky^ | jm_: can't i use sort command ? |
| 10:01.41 | libertine | different cuturl prevent the communion |
| 10:01.44 | jm_ | Jacky^: you have my permission |
| 10:02.03 | Jacky^ | :) |
| 10:02.11 | Jacky^ | cool |
| 10:02.15 | Jacky^ | ok, |
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| 10:02.26 | deadcat | !tell Jacky^ about enter |
| 10:02.31 | jm_ | jeffro: did you read kernel docs for it? |
| 10:02.39 | jeffro | but i know its possible, cause when i do a search for gravis stinger linux debian i get pages like http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/kernel-image-2.6.10-i386/kernel-image-2.6.10-i386_2.6.10-3_i386.build and n that file i see a line like: Gravis Stinger gamepad (JOYSTICK_STINGER) [M/n/y/?] m |
| 10:02.59 | cmihai | libertine: well, sorry, but I just couldn't get it to download something from a ftp. PASV mode doesn't seem to work with it. |
| 10:03.09 | jeffro | where are those kernel pages jm? |
| 10:03.16 | liable | hmm, wrong jeffro |
| 10:03.19 | jeffro | il try if i find the solution |
| 10:03.26 | jeffro | wrong? |
| 10:03.31 | liable | jeffro: nm |
| 10:03.32 | jeffro | !enter |
| 10:03.32 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 10:03.50 | jeffro | where are the kernel docs? |
| 10:03.55 | jeffro | on the main webpage? |
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| 10:04.03 | libertine | no matter,the mytget only used for china's net condition |
| 10:04.14 | jeffro | i tried man joystick |
| 10:04.17 | jeffro | does not exist |
| 10:04.19 | cmihai | Made in china? :) |
| 10:04.32 | libertine | yes,i'm chinese |
| 10:04.34 | jm_ | kernel-doc package or part of kernel source |
| 10:04.56 | jm_ | and yes, 2.6 has support for Gravis Stinger gamepad |
| 10:04.57 | jeffro | its a a source i geuss |
| 10:05.07 | jeffro | then how to enable that support? |
| 10:05.20 | jeffro | its plugged in right now |
| 10:05.23 | cmihai | Look, it's not that bad. All you need is to implement multiple mirrors for the multi-threaded download, PASV FTP, and do something about the time it takes to spawn threads. |
| 10:05.40 | cmihai | Take a look at wget / aget / d4x ... |
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| 10:06.18 | jeffro | now im confused : Oops, please create some joystick device nodes with MAKEDEV |
| 10:07.05 | jm_ | load the module? |
| 10:07.14 | libertine | thanks for your advise |
| 10:07.21 | jeffro | don't know how to make device "JOYSTICK_STINGER" |
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| 10:07.34 | jm_ | use Debian kernels, they most likely have it enabled |
| 10:07.47 | jeffro | i dont get it |
| 10:07.51 | libertine | cmihai:your name in chinese is means rice sea |
| 10:07.57 | jeffro | im a real debian n00b right now |
| 10:08.09 | cmihai | libertine: that's ok, I like rice. |
| 10:08.17 | jm_ | try modprobe stinger |
| 10:08.31 | jeffro | done |
| 10:08.39 | jeffro | didnt find it |
| 10:09.08 | jm_ | are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:09.08 | daves | help ... used Kmail (under mandrake 10.0 official) now using thunderbird (under Ubuntu) how / where do i start to look for the address book ?? |
| 10:09.29 | jeffro | yes |
| 10:09.32 | jeffro | i did |
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| 10:09.43 | libertine | vim qustions:i want the vim open the syntax on & set nu automaticly,who can help me |
| 10:09.51 | jeffro | the latest |
| 10:10.00 | jeffro | i upgraded it one week ago |
| 10:10.14 | jeffro | its a serial joystick |
| 10:10.56 | jm_ | run uname -r |
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| 10:11.20 | Slippy | libertine: most likely #vim |
| 10:11.22 | shingouz | daves: you use ubuntu. how about asking in #ubuntu? we do not support ubuntu here at all |
| 10:11.23 | jeffro | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:11.31 | jeffro | see i have the latest |
| 10:11.34 | jm_ | you need a newer kernel |
| 10:11.49 | jeffro | newer then that? |
| 10:12.05 | jeffro | how to update |
| 10:12.06 | daves | shingouz: did no one there at the moment knows so thought i'd ask here :) |
| 10:12.21 | shingouz | !they don't know |
| 10:12.21 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 10:12.40 | shingouz | !based on debian |
| 10:12.40 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 10:12.44 | Rydekull | !ubuntu |
| 10:12.45 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu is a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 10:13.32 | jeffro | um there isnt a newer kernel |
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| 10:13.42 | jm_ | there is, just not in Sarge |
| 10:14.01 | cmihai | libertine: you mean syntax on, or what? |
| 10:14.09 | jeffro | then so i have tro reinstall debian"? |
| 10:14.36 | jm_ | no, you could try getting 2.6.11 kernel deb from unstable and install it |
| 10:15.00 | jeffro | will my debian STAY stable |
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| 10:15.09 | libertine | show line numbert |
| 10:15.20 | jeffro | i dont want my pc to explode -.-" |
| 10:15.27 | daves | folks : i did come here to start an arguement i am wanting to find out where the hell the adressbook would be!!! after that i'll be okay, i've tried doing a slocate search and i have done a bit of a search in google but will try again ! |
| 10:15.34 | libertine | cmihai:show line number |
| 10:15.34 | shingouz | jeffro: yes it will. ftp/wget/http the kernel deb off debian and install it with dpkg |
| 10:15.41 | jm_ | yes, you'll only download kernel.deb with wget/browser/ftp/... and install it, but don't install it if it depends on anything not in Sarge |
| 10:15.48 | cmihai | libertine: not a very nice introduction to myget on your blog :P |
| 10:16.03 | jeffro | now i dont get it |
| 10:16.13 | jm_ | myget sounds like written by someone who has never heard of lftp |
| 10:16.15 | jeffro | it if it depends on anything not in Sarge???????????????????/ |
| 10:16.23 | jm_ | yes |
| 10:16.33 | jm_ | i.e. if it depends on newer module-init-tools |
| 10:16.38 | daves | bye |
| 10:17.00 | jeffro | is there a way back when i done it? |
| 10:17.09 | shingouz | jeffro: if dpkg complains about needing a newer version of something which is not available etc, do not install the kernel |
| 10:17.14 | jm_ | way back ? |
| 10:17.18 | libertine | cmihai:myblog? it written in chinese |
| 10:17.42 | shingouz | jeffro: grabbing a kernel is ok as long as you use dpkg to install it |
| 10:17.49 | jeffro | so |
| 10:17.59 | jeffro | what command do i need to run precisly |
| 10:18.37 | cmihai | libertine: so? |
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| 10:18.42 | jeffro | wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.11-i386/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386_2.6.11-7_i386.deb |
| 10:18.46 | jeffro | like that? |
| 10:18.48 | cmihai | What's wrong with chinese? |
| 10:18.50 | shingouz | jeffro: man dpkg (dpkg --install foo.deb) on the kernel package |
| 10:18.54 | jm_ | yes, but why use a 386 kernel? |
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| 10:19.04 | jeffro | cause i always do so |
| 10:19.17 | shingouz | jeffro: what cpu you have? |
| 10:19.20 | slugbug | How does one add a bitmap font to the font menu that's in X-Chat? (I think that this is XFT) |
| 10:19.24 | jeffro | its just intel celeron 733 mhz |
| 10:19.27 | jeffro | 128 mb ram |
| 10:19.30 | slugbug | for the life of me I cannot figure it out |
| 10:19.32 | shingouz | jeffro: 686 |
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| 10:19.35 | jeffro | i dont want it too go slower |
| 10:19.40 | jm_ | slugbug: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and say Y for bitmapped fonts maybe |
| 10:19.40 | libertine | cmihai:nothing,i think you are not chinese ,amazing |
| 10:20.20 | cmihai | libertine: no, I'm not. I'm just armed with a dictionary and babelfish.. Used to post a while on some chinese forum bords :) |
| 10:20.55 | Dinuir | I have installed Debian 3.1r0 on a sata drive (win xp 2 partitions and linux 2 partitions). On booting into linux I cannot mount an ntfs partition. Linux is mounted on /dev/sda4. Anyone know what I am doing wrong? |
| 10:20.58 | tamere | Does someone have the kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 package available somewhere, like on a CD or a web server (not the 2.4.27-2-686) ? |
| 10:21.19 | libertine | cmihai:haha |
| 10:21.19 | jeffro | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686_2.6.11-7_i386.deb that one\ |
| 10:21.33 | tamere | jeffro: no, 2.4.27-1-686 |
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| 10:21.50 | jeffro | 2.4 0_0 |
| 10:22.10 | jeffro | oh i see, i wasnt replieing to yo |
| 10:22.10 | shingouz | jeffro: the one you mentioned there looks like the kernel you want to have on your own computer |
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| 10:22.23 | jeffro | so that one i must havE? |
| 10:22.34 | tamere | sorry then |
| 10:22.44 | jeffro | wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.11-i386/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686_2.6.11-7_i386.deb ?? |
| 10:23.00 | shingouz | jeffro: why not? |
| 10:23.12 | jeffro | Connecting to http.us.debian.org[128.101.80.133]:80... connected. |
| 10:23.12 | jeffro | HTTP verzoek verzonden, wacht op antwoord... 404 Not Found |
| 10:23.12 | jeffro | 12:23:05 FOUT 404: Not Found. |
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| 10:23.18 | jm_ | tamere: sdn? |
| 10:23.19 | jeffro | sorry |
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| 10:23.35 | tamere | jm_: I don't understand this acronym, sorry |
| 10:23.56 | jm_ | tamere: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 10:24.12 | jeffro | downloading |
| 10:24.28 | tamere | jm_: thx !!! |
| 10:24.29 | jeffro | when i got the package what to do thenb? |
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| 10:24.40 | Dinuir | I have installed Debian 3.1r0 on a sata drive (win xp 2 partitions and linux 2 partitions). On booting into linux I cannot mount an ntfs partition. Linux is mounted on /dev/sda4. Anyone know what I am doing wrong? |
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| 10:25.09 | jeffro | how do i install the kernel i downloaded |
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| 10:25.42 | Eonn | hey guys is there a list of testing sources I can add to the APT config file (so that I can get more up-to-date versions of gaim, openoffice, etc) |
| 10:26.04 | Eonn | sorry asked this question before but had to attend to my 2yr old |
| 10:26.08 | jeffro | oh come on anyone knows how to install a kernel when downloaded i admit me is biggest n00b |
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| 10:26.51 | nkuttler | jeffro: /msg dpkg kp |
| 10:27.11 | jm_ | Eonn: are you already using testing? |
| 10:27.26 | Eonn | jm_ no sarge stable |
| 10:27.34 | jeffro | that explains much..... for super deluxe smart guys... |
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| 10:27.45 | jm_ | Eonn: well are you sure you want testing? |
| 10:27.56 | zl2tod | jeffro: I use "aptitude install kernel-image-foo" with no problems |
| 10:28.12 | nkuttler | !tell jeffro about kp |
| 10:28.15 | jeffro | yes but i downloaded an unstavle one witrh wget |
| 10:28.22 | zl2tod | you might get a quick education in boot loader configuration though so make sure you have a rescue disk |
| 10:28.35 | tamere | jm_: unfortunately the packages from 2004 are lost due to harddisk problems. Any mirror ? |
| 10:28.35 | jm_ | jeffro: man dpkg |
| 10:28.38 | nkuttler | jeffro: if you can't figure it out, don't do it. it's not necessary |
| 10:28.41 | jm_ | tamere: no |
| 10:28.47 | jeffro | then no joystick for me |
| 10:28.50 | jeffro | :( |
| 10:28.58 | tamere | jm_: too bad ! Thanks so much anyway, I've bookmarked this for the future |
| 10:29.19 | jeffro | i need the new kernel for my gravis stinger.. |
| 10:29.32 | Eonn | jm_ yeah for non-critical applications such as gaim it would be nice to use newer versions |
| 10:30.13 | zl2tod | jeffro: stick the file you have downloaded into /var/apt/cache (from memory) and then aptitude install kernel-image-foo should save you downloading it again |
| 10:30.38 | jeffro | how to close a manual |
| 10:30.39 | jeffro | ok |
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| 10:31.04 | jm_ | Eonn: you can't upload just a few, you'll soon see it migrate entirely to testing |
| 10:31.20 | zl2tod | jeffro: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:31.22 | jm_ | no that won't work because aptitude won't know about it |
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| 10:31.44 | slugbug | it would seem that Fontconfig is specifically designed to be as hard to configure as possible |
| 10:31.45 | jeffro | umm |
| 10:31.52 | jeffro | aptitude install kernel-image-foo will delete xserver.. |
| 10:32.26 | liable | well, you seem to have a fairly fucked system.. |
| 10:32.30 | zl2tod | do you perhaps need to install a module to make the joystick work ? |
| 10:32.39 | jeffro | i did |
| 10:32.48 | jeffro | someone said to install a unstable kernel to install it |
| 10:32.55 | jeffro | its a serial joysticj |
| 10:33.26 | jeffro | i found this line i a file on the net: Gravis Stinger gamepad (JOYSTICK_STINGER) [M/n/y/?] m |
| 10:33.35 | jeffro | at this adress http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/kernel-image-2.6.10-i386/kernel-image-2.6.10-i386_2.6.10-3_i386.build |
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| 10:34.00 | antgel | can someone try and listen to a music sample on amazon.com / co.uk? all i get is an offer of a windows executable, hurl.exe. surely they haven't fucked it? |
| 10:34.01 | mud123 | how can I create hard link or cp hard link? |
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| 10:34.23 | nagual_ | mud123: man ln |
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| 10:35.15 | nkuttler | jeffro: what debian version are you running? sarge? |
| 10:35.53 | bibe | antgel : it seems an ASCII text file |
| 10:36.01 | jeffro | dont know |
| 10:36.10 | nkuttler | jeffro: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:36.14 | bibe | containing the url to a .ra (realaudio) link |
| 10:36.28 | jeffro | 3.1 |
| 10:36.58 | antgel | they are such cocks |
| 10:37.35 | nkuttler | jeffro: and you can't apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-whatever because it removes x? |
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| 10:38.02 | liable | !ops Nietzsche88 spammer |
| 10:38.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Nietzsche88 spammer |
| 10:38.13 | jeffro | no |
| 10:38.21 | jeffro | aptitude install kernel-image-foo will delete xserver.. |
| 10:38.42 | liable | jeffro: what about apt-get? |
| 10:38.52 | nkuttler | jeffro: paste /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
| 10:39.01 | mud123 | nagual: ln: creating hard link `a' to `bin': Operation not permitted why?> |
| 10:39.18 | bibe | antgel : this scares me (from a windows point of view): setting up a text file called *.exe containing a malicious url will point the browser/player/system to that url? |
| 10:39.19 | zl2tod | jeffro: how long since you did an upgrade or a dist-upgrade on that system ? |
| 10:39.31 | jeffro | E: Kon pakket kernel-image-foo niet vinden |
| 10:39.35 | nagual | mud123: write permissions on dir? |
| 10:39.35 | jeffro | a week ago |
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| 10:39.53 | jeffro | i just want support for my serial gamepad |
| 10:39.54 | liable | how about the english version? |
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| 10:40.08 | Coke | bibe: I don't think even windows will be able to execute a text-file that contains nothing but an URL |
| 10:40.10 | jeffro | i have a dutch version |
| 10:40.14 | nkuttler | liable: can't find package |
| 10:40.19 | jeffro | it means, couldnt find |
| 10:40.22 | nkuttler | jeffro: you have to give an _existing_ package name |
| 10:40.33 | nkuttler | jeffro: apt-cache search kernel-image | less |
| 10:40.35 | jeffro | can i add a unstable source |
| 10:40.40 | nkuttler | jeffro: _no_ |
| 10:40.42 | Coke | bibe: and how would that be different from creating an exe file that opens an URL? |
| 10:40.45 | Whisky_ | so i combined two USB wires manually and made my USB Fax modem a serial one. Debian picks it up on almost all ports :| on ttyS0 it says modem ready but cant initialize it, on others it says modem is busy. and guess what? Even if i detach the modem it says modem ready :| |
| 10:40.52 | jeffro | then i cant get a newer kernel |
| 10:40.53 | antgel | bibe: i don't know or care how it works. it's amazing how these large corporations can't bring themselves to do anything properly |
| 10:41.12 | nkuttler | jeffro: how do you know the 2.6 in sarge is not recent enough for you? |
| 10:41.13 | jeffro | and the newer kernel supports gravis stinger, so someone in this channel said |
| 10:41.17 | Coke | antgel: it's amazing, but all to real. |
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| 10:41.34 | jeffro | jeffro 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:41.34 | jeffro | jeffro see i have the latest |
| 10:41.34 | jeffro | jm_ you need a newer kernel |
| 10:41.35 | liable | jeffro: uname -r |
| 10:41.41 | bibe | Coke : it hides the url to the user |
| 10:41.44 | harleyg | guys i have kernel 2.6.8-2-386, but i want the latest, ive compiled it/configed it etcetc, but to make the eg mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1 2.6.8.1, it dont work :( |
| 10:41.52 | mud123 | nagual : no chmod 777 already |
| 10:42.00 | liable | jeffro: did you actually install that kernel, they told you to download? |
| 10:42.11 | jeffro | that one is installed |
| 10:42.12 | luh | hi |
| 10:42.18 | jeffro | i did it a week ago |
| 10:42.23 | liable | jeffro: well, reboot into it.... |
| 10:42.27 | jeffro | i did |
| 10:42.30 | liable | jeffro: no |
| 10:42.39 | luh | i'm missing a key on my keyboard |
| 10:42.41 | nkuttler | jeffro: what is the module name, is it loaded? lsmod |
| 10:42.51 | liable | jeffro: the 2.6.11 one |
| 10:42.53 | luh | it's the one, which is supposed to have the smaller/greater than and pipe sign |
| 10:42.59 | jeffro | yes |
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| 10:43.05 | luh | i just modefied the XF86Config-4 |
| 10:43.07 | jeffro | dont know the module name |
| 10:43.16 | luh | to have the XkbModel changed to 105 |
| 10:43.17 | liable | jeffro: you did dpkg -i kernel-blah? |
| 10:43.20 | luh | but it still doesn't work |
| 10:43.26 | jeffro | dont know |
| 10:43.28 | luh | can someone help me please? |
| 10:43.33 | vasundhar | about ? |
| 10:43.34 | jeffro | some people got me trhough it |
| 10:43.39 | Bwl_ | Anyone know if you can update an SSL-certificate -- or that's equal to create a brand new with make-ssl-cert? |
| 10:43.49 | jeffro | but this kernel does not support my joystivk |
| 10:43.52 | jeffro | but this kernel does not support my joystick |
| 10:43.57 | jeffro | the newer does |
| 10:43.57 | liable | jeffro: ffs, find the .deb file that you downloaded, install it with dpkg, reboot the machine... |
| 10:44.11 | Coke | bibe: why would that matter? oh, I don't know what you're talking about anyway. |
| 10:44.12 | jeffro | where is the deb file |
| 10:44.18 | jeffro | i did wget blablabla |
| 10:44.29 | Bwl_ | jeffro: Try looking in the pwd. |
| 10:44.30 | nkuttler | !tell luh about ask |
| 10:44.32 | liable | jeffro: whatever directory you were in when you ran wget. |
| 10:44.32 | jeffro | oh its in my home |
| 10:44.43 | jeffro | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686_2.6.11-7_i386.deb |
| 10:44.53 | jeffro | hen wats the command to install it |
| 10:44.56 | jeffro | no man plz |
| 10:45.00 | jeffro | just the command |
| 10:45.01 | Bwl_ | jeffro: man dpkg |
| 10:45.06 | jeffro | xD |
| 10:45.23 | Eonn | bwl: lol |
| 10:45.25 | bibe | Coke: sorry for the OT, I was just wondering why Amazon could even think to do something like that. |
| 10:45.29 | liable | jeffro: dpkg -i ker<tab> |
| 10:45.31 | jeffro | just give me the command dpkg install?? blabla |
| 10:45.36 | jeffro | ok |
| 10:45.43 | Coke | bibe: I don't know what they did, but it doesn't matter. |
| 10:45.47 | luh | nkuttler, i run debian sarge |
| 10:45.54 | luh | there is not more i missed |
| 10:46.10 | jeffro | its busy now |
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| 10:46.24 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.25 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.25 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:46.53 | jeffro | i think it is done |
| 10:46.56 | nkuttler | luh: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 10:46.58 | jeffro | il reboot |
| 10:47.29 | liable | jesus. |
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| 10:47.36 | luh | nkuttler, i changed already between a few keymaps |
| 10:47.40 | nasembuto | i've mounted FAT32 on debian... i can read it but not write.. can u tell me how can i write it?.....then i don't wanna write each time i reboot my com command for mount it... help me |
| 10:47.49 | luh | qwertz-latin1 |
| 10:47.51 | Bwl_ | He'll be back to ask how he's supposed to reboot. |
| 10:47.53 | luh | qwertz-latin1-nodeadkeys |
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| 10:48.16 | liable | !tell nasembuto about vfatrw |
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| 10:49.17 | luh | afk |
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| 10:50.09 | nasembuto | liable: i dunno what i must write in uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID |
| 10:50.29 | liable | nasembuto: did you run 'id'? |
| 10:50.35 | igge | is there a good gui tool to edit the /etc/rc#.d/ stuff? |
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| 10:50.47 | liable | igge: sysvconfig |
| 10:50.59 | nasembuto | liable: i m on gnome environment, i run with my username |
| 10:51.02 | liable | igge: ncurses, but close enough.. |
| 10:51.19 | liable | nasembuto: do what the factoid tells you... |
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| 10:51.33 | jeffro | booted into the new kernel |
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| 10:51.39 | igge | liable: ok will give it a go... |
| 10:51.58 | jeffro | now how to correctly install my gravis stinger joystick |
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| 10:52.12 | liable | igge: id, then put those fields in. not hard. |
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| 10:52.50 | trc | whats the deal now?, linux-image instead of kernel-image as the name of the package? |
| 10:53.17 | jeffro | its kernel-image |
| 10:53.53 | jeffro | anyone can help me now with my serial joystick |
| 10:54.06 | igge | liable: yeah it worked quite ok.. |
| 10:54.28 | liable | trc: apparently in the future, there will be non linux kernels available.. |
| 10:54.32 | igge | not quite as smooth as system-config-services for redhat though, actually.. :( |
| 10:54.36 | trc | hmm, last kernel-image is 2.6.11, then there is linux-image 2.6.12, providing the kernel image |
| 10:54.52 | nkuttler | jeffro: no offense, but honestly, /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 10:55.04 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.16 | trc | liable: such as |
| 10:55.28 | liable | jeffro: was the joystick plugged in when you booted? |
| 10:55.35 | jeffro | yes it was |
| 10:55.43 | liable | trc: dunno, hurd and such |
| 10:55.57 | simonrvn | mostly. plus bsd kernels |
| 10:56.00 | jeffro | Compaq:/home/jeffro# joystick-device-check Oops, please create some joystick device nodes with MAKEDEV first!Compaq:/home/jeffro# |
| 10:56.11 | vasundhar | well have u searched over groups ? |
| 10:56.11 | vasundhar | I think its there some time back in google groups |
| 10:56.14 | trc | liable: i didnt know hurd was ready, that would be great |
| 10:56.19 | liable | jeffro: lsmod, is there a joystick module loaded, fucked if I know, find out what you need for the thing. |
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| 10:56.31 | luh | !tell luh question |
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| 10:56.41 | luh | !tell luh about |
| 10:56.52 | liable | trc: I dont really know what is coming, just found out today myself.. |
| 10:56.59 | luh | hmm, it still doesn't work |
| 10:57.02 | simonrvn | luh: what is it you need help with? |
| 10:57.22 | jeffro | nothing |
| 10:57.24 | luh | simonrvn, i have a key, (greater, smaller than, + pipe) which doesn'twork |
| 10:57.35 | simonrvn | luh: because you're not doing it quite right. close, but you're missing some arguements to the commands |
| 10:57.45 | jeffro | how do i know what modules i need |
| 10:57.59 | liable | jeffro: why not google it? |
| 10:58.03 | luh | using debian sarge + kernel 2.6 |
| 10:58.10 | jeffro | cause it shows weird pages |
| 10:58.17 | zl2tod | jeffro: read the error message you pasted |
| 10:58.22 | luh | simonrvn, i changed the model to pc105 |
| 10:58.27 | jeffro | yes i tried makedev |
| 10:58.28 | luh | i have nodeadkeys enabled |
| 10:58.35 | jeffro | but i dont know how it work or what i need |
| 10:58.49 | luh | I don't know what else to do |
| 10:58.49 | zl2tod | jeffro: no-one here has your joystick, we don;t know either |
| 10:58.53 | liable | jeffro: well, learn to read the weird pages, how the hell would we know about every weird bit of hardware out there. |
| 10:59.01 | simonrvn | luh: i assume this is x? (mention of pc105 and nodeadkeys tells me as much) |
| 10:59.14 | Whisky_ | Here's what: I combined two USB wires manually and made my USB Fax modem a serial one. Debian picks it up on almost all ports :| on ttyS0 it says modem ready but cant initialize it, on others it says modem is busy. and guess what? Even if i detach the modem it says modem ready :| |
| 10:59.35 | luh | simonrvn, right |
| 10:59.45 | jeffro | http://www.slackware.se/hakans_slackware/doc/rc.modules.html this is what i get the most |
| 10:59.52 | jeffro | search for stinger on the page |
| 11:00.02 | simonrvn | luh: what kind of keyboard is it? |
| 11:00.06 | *** part/#debian ^arky^ (~^arky^@59.144.37.91) |
| 11:00.08 | jeffro | # Gravis Stinger gamepad: #/sbin/modprobe stinger |
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| 11:00.15 | luh | standard german keyboard, nothing specal simonrvn |
| 11:00.33 | simonrvn | jeffro: which modules to use is found out by using such tools as lspci, hwinfo, and the like |
| 11:00.42 | nkuttler | luh: isn't that 107? |
| 11:01.08 | luh | i can give it a try nkuttler |
| 11:01.13 | simonrvn | luh: so you picked out pc105 (could be 104 possibly?) and de? |
| 11:01.22 | simonrvn | listen to nkuttler :) |
| 11:01.26 | luh | simonrvn, i had 104 before |
| 11:01.30 | luh | and de enabled too |
| 11:01.41 | luh | every key works fine, also the "umlaute" ö ä ü |
| 11:01.42 | jeffro | bash: hwinfo: command not found |
| 11:01.52 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 11:01.52 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 11:02.11 | luh | i'm going to try it, afk |
| 11:02.18 | jeffro | with lspci i dont see my serial port |
| 11:02.29 | liable | jeffro: dmesg |
| 11:02.32 | jm_ | of course you don't, serial port is on ISA bus, not on PCI bus |
| 11:02.47 | simonrvn | lspci is for the pci bus |
| 11:02.53 | jm_ | cat /proc/ioports |
| 11:02.57 | jeffro | i dont understand that |
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| 11:03.36 | jeffro | shoeld i paste it in the channel flood? |
| 11:04.02 | simonrvn | there are several busses for the various peripherals, etc. on an x86, there's one called isa |
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| 11:04.39 | luh | re |
| 11:04.46 | luh | that did not work (pc107) |
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| 11:05.01 | jeffro | Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 48 ports, IRQ sharing enabled |
| 11:05.07 | nkuttler | luh: german keyboard with numpad? |
| 11:05.12 | luh | right |
| 11:05.24 | nkuttler | luh: i'll paste my config in #flood |
| 11:05.30 | luh | (numpad == the numbers on the right hand side?) |
| 11:05.43 | SilverspurG | mornin' |
| 11:05.44 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 11:06.46 | jeffro | is it so hard to just get my joystick working!!! |
| 11:06.48 | luh | nkuttler, is that the XF86Config-4 or the one without the 4? |
| 11:07.03 | luh | i also just figured something weird, on tty1-6 it works fine |
| 11:07.03 | nkuttler | luh: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 11:07.08 | jeffro | in win95 i press left mouse button 7 times and it worked... |
| 11:07.16 | jeffro | now i pressed it 83 times |
| 11:07.23 | jeffro | and still doesnt work!!!! |
| 11:07.28 | nkuttler | luh: x keymap handled by x |
| 11:07.56 | nkuttler | jeffro: there aren't any games for linux anyhow, a keyboard will do :) |
| 11:08.01 | luh | nkuttler, my config looks exactly the same as yours |
| 11:08.22 | nkuttler | luh: what key doesn't work? |
| 11:08.28 | simonrvn | there's plenty of games |
| 11:08.42 | luh | the greater/smaller pipe key |
| 11:08.51 | sypher | oh guys, someone else got problems with libaspell ? |
| 11:08.54 | luh | right next to the shift key |
| 11:08.55 | liable | jeffro: what exactly is this thing called? |
| 11:08.59 | nkuttler | !tell luh about keymap |
| 11:09.03 | sypher | i cant install anymore quanta or bluefish because of that problem... :/ |
| 11:09.06 | zl2tod | jeffro: figure out the makedev |
| 11:09.18 | nkuttler | luh: xev if useful iirc |
| 11:09.23 | nkuttler | luh: and xmodmap |
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| 11:09.31 | simonrvn | s,makedev,/dev file, |
| 11:09.41 | liable | sypher: if you run sid, why are you asking. |
| 11:09.43 | jeffro | Gravis Stinger |
| 11:09.47 | luh | I'll give it a try, afk |
| 11:10.06 | sypher | liable, asking if someone does know a temporary solution for that, cuz i need quanta for work ... |
| 11:10.06 | jeffro | nkuttler: visualboyadvance, tuxracer, wine |
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| 11:10.33 | nkuttler | jeffro: yhbt |
| 11:10.34 | simonrvn | sypher: apt-get install equivs and read the docs |
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| 11:11.00 | simonrvn | @yhbt |
| 11:11.00 | ravenbird | You Have Been Trolled. see also IHBT |
| 11:11.15 | luh | bok |
| 11:11.18 | jeffro | bash: yhbt: command not found |
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| 11:11.25 | simonrvn | ... |
| 11:11.26 | luh | how can i figure out the keynumber? |
| 11:11.35 | nkuttler | luh: xev iirc |
| 11:11.42 | luh | xev is weird |
| 11:11.48 | luh | gives me plenty of output |
| 11:11.53 | liable | xev is good |
| 11:11.57 | nkuttler | luh: read it? |
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| 11:12.03 | liable | luh: look for keycode.. |
| 11:12.23 | jeffro | liable: its called Gravis Stinger, originaly designed for laptops, works on 95 98 and LINUX/DEBIAN |
| 11:12.27 | simonrvn | state 0x0, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES, |
| 11:12.34 | simonrvn | from xev |
| 11:12.41 | liable | jeffro: apparently not :P |
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| 11:13.00 | luh | keycode 94 |
| 11:13.16 | jeffro | liable: http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/1/30/58 search for stinger... |
| 11:13.42 | libertine | join # |
| 11:14.06 | jeffro | liable: better example http://debian.jones.dk/slamuf/pool/sid-jones/kernel-image-2.6.0-i386/kernel-image-2.6.0-i386_2.6.0-1.0.jones.1_i386.build seach for stinger again |
| 11:14.12 | liable | jeffro: no. you search for it. |
| 11:14.41 | liable | jeffro: dunno who told you about 2.6.11, but I found it in my 2.6.7, sec.. |
| 11:14.42 | jeffro | il past the text in it |
| 11:14.49 | liable | no |
| 11:14.56 | luh | if I'd know how to tell the keymap what the sign is, I'd have an easier job |
| 11:15.27 | luh | can someone tell me what i have to put into the de-latin1-nodeadkeys.kmap.gz when i configure the keycode 94? |
| 11:15.41 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.45 | zl2tod | jeffro: pay attention to the bloody error message and figure out the makedev |
| 11:15.47 | nkuttler | luh: man xmodmap |
| 11:15.51 | luh | k |
| 11:15.54 | luh | afk |
| 11:16.22 | jeffro | so i need to learn how makedev works and spend 10000 million dollars becoming a linux expert who knows how the devices work |
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| 11:16.32 | zl2tod | yes |
| 11:16.58 | jeffro | thats too expensive |
| 11:16.58 | igge | jeffro: no just 10000 hours |
| 11:17.13 | jeffro | seriously i need to have it work today... |
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| 11:17.50 | jeffro | http://debian.jones.dk/slamuf/pool/sid-jones/kernel-image-2.6.0-i386/kernel-image-2.6.0-i386_2.6.0-1.0.jones.1_i386.build but it is supported to this file says: Joysticks (INPUT_JOYSTICK) [Y/n/?] y Gravis Stinger gamepad (JOYSTICK_STINGER) [M/n/y/?] m |
| 11:17.56 | zl2tod | jeffro, given that your joystick-sanity-check utility tells you what needs to be done, it seems very likely that that is explained in more detail in the doc ... Have you looked for a joystick HOWTO ? |
| 11:17.56 | Madkiss | What do I have to do in order to have a german keyboard layout after boot? |
| 11:18.09 | jeffro | yes i did |
| 11:18.17 | jeffro | but its for joystick for GAMEPORT |
| 11:18.21 | jeffro | but its a SERIAL |
| 11:18.24 | nkuttler | Madkiss: in x? |
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| 11:18.50 | liable | jeffro: why cant you just modprobe 'stinger'? |
| 11:18.56 | Madkiss | nkuttler: console, please |
| 11:19.01 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 11:19.05 | nkuttler | Madkiss: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 11:19.13 | jeffro | i did liable |
| 11:19.19 | jeffrin | does many proxies in the world run squid |
| 11:19.23 | liable | jeffro: itsn in my stock 2.6.7 kernel.. |
| 11:19.24 | jeffro | but i dont see an difference |
| 11:19.36 | Madkiss | jeffro: I need it non-interactive. |
| 11:19.37 | jeffro | what? |
| 11:19.41 | libertine | good |
| 11:19.45 | libertine | i like it |
| 11:19.45 | Madkiss | oh, sorry |
| 11:19.50 | Madkiss | nkuttler: I need it non-interactive |
| 11:20.02 | nkuttler | Madkiss: hm? |
| 11:20.02 | liable | jeffro: well, the module is loaded, work out what you need to make it work. |
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| 11:20.15 | jeffro | but |
| 11:20.16 | Madkiss | nkuttler: I need it non-interactive |
| 11:20.25 | nkuttler | Madkiss: you said that, what do you mean? |
| 11:20.27 | jeffro | i use: joystick-device-chack |
| 11:20.29 | zl2tod | jeffro ... tried googling on the error message ? |
| 11:20.30 | jeffro | i use: joystick-device-check |
| 11:20.33 | jeffro | no |
| 11:20.37 | murf | Hello. I have installed kernel-headers 2.4.27-10. But /usr/include/linux/version.h shows me 2.6.0-test7!? Some pcogram complain when compiling that there is 2.6 headers, but i'm running 2.4 kernel. So what i have wrong? Its a fresh installation. |
| 11:20.41 | Madkiss | nkuttler: Well, it must work without user-interaction |
| 11:20.44 | zl2tod | get on with it then :P |
| 11:20.51 | nkuttler | Madkiss: did you read the factoid? |
| 11:21.00 | Madkiss | the what? |
| 11:21.00 | Madkiss | 7 |
| 11:21.09 | nkuttler | !tell Madkiss about keymap |
| 11:21.12 | jeffro | now i googled for it |
| 11:21.20 | jeffro | i get scary spanish pages |
| 11:21.27 | jeffro | i cant red spanish |
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| 11:21.32 | Madkiss | nkuttler: I would say "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" is pretty interactive. |
| 11:22.11 | nkuttler | Madkiss: did you try it? |
| 11:22.22 | Madkiss | yes |
| 11:22.30 | nkuttler | Madkiss: did you reboot? |
| 11:22.33 | Madkiss | no. |
| 11:22.38 | nkuttler | ... |
| 11:22.39 | jeffro | so now i have to spen 150 euros to learn spanish.......... |
| 11:22.44 | Madkiss | it even tells me "Looking for keymap to install: NONE" |
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| 11:22.58 | zl2tod | jeffro: try something other than "I'm feeling lucky" (you aint) |
| 11:23.10 | jeffro | i dont use im feeling lucky |
| 11:23.18 | jeffro | that option does not exist in dutch google |
| 11:23.21 | zl2tod | so hocome I am getting english hits ? |
| 11:24.01 | jeffro | ok i made some device nodes |
| 11:24.07 | jeffro | still get the same problem |
| 11:24.16 | jeffro | MAKEDEV -v js |
| 11:24.18 | murf | nobody knows? |
| 11:24.31 | jeffro | joystick-device-check Oops, please create some joystick device nodes with MAKEDEV first |
| 11:24.37 | jeffro | so i did!!! |
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| 11:24.56 | nkuttler | Madkiss: did you 'select keymap from arch list'? |
| 11:25.00 | Phated | Someone needs a chill pill. |
| 11:25.39 | Naigler | murf: what does 'uname -a' show? |
| 11:25.44 | sobersabre | does anybody know what do people do with mellanox ib cards ? |
| 11:26.08 | Madkiss | nkuttler: No, that question was not there |
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| 11:26.26 | murf | Naigler: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 11:26.37 | nkuttler | Madkiss: what frontend do you use? not dialog? |
| 11:26.45 | Madkiss | yes, dialog. |
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| 11:26.50 | murf | Naigler: dpkg -l | grep header -> kernel-headers 2.4.27-10 |
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| 11:26.57 | liable | jeffro: others may lart me here, but install udev. |
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| 11:27.12 | jeffro | ok |
| 11:27.16 | nkuttler | Madkiss: hm, what debian version? |
| 11:27.22 | liable | jeffro: and reboot |
| 11:27.33 | Madkiss | Sarge |
| 11:27.34 | jeffro | i allrady have it |
| 11:28.04 | jeffro | i have runned udev but i dont see anythin |
| 11:28.05 | liable | jeffro: well, maybe the thing is fucked... |
| 11:28.08 | nkuttler | Madkiss: that's odd, you should have a selection what policy for keymaps you want |
| 11:28.09 | jeffro | ill reboot |
| 11:28.24 | Madkiss | nkuttler: I know I should ;) |
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| 11:29.12 | nkuttler | Madkiss: check the bts |
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| 11:30.10 | libertine | i need a task manager software,that can managed the task run on my computer,and kill the dead thread |
| 11:30.15 | libertine | who can help me |
| 11:30.55 | liable | no one if you dont explain what you atually want to do... |
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| 11:31.51 | libertine | i need a appliction to kill the dead process, |
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| 11:31.58 | Naigler | murf: where does your /usr/src/linux symlink point? |
| 11:32.00 | liable | !zombies |
| 11:32.00 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 11:32.06 | igge | libertine: kill ? |
| 11:32.38 | libertine | but i dont know the dead process's id, |
| 11:32.43 | murf | Naigler: there is no symlink, i just install headers |
| 11:32.55 | igge | libertine: use ps aux |
| 11:33.08 | igge | ps aux | grep <programname> |
| 11:33.19 | libertine | ps aux not list the process, |
| 11:33.20 | znx | pgrep prog |
| 11:33.25 | liable | libertine: read what dpkg just said |
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| 11:33.36 | jeffro | still not working |
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| 11:34.04 | zl2tod | jeffro, dpkg-reconfigure joystick |
| 11:34.23 | znx | libertine: if its not in ps .. its not running :? |
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| 11:34.46 | jeffro | i did |
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| 11:35.04 | jeffro | when it asked to create some device nodes i did yes |
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| 11:35.19 | jeffro | then i used joystick-device-check |
| 11:35.20 | libertine | but its graphics userface alway show |
| 11:35.20 | booteco | Hi |
| 11:35.24 | jeffro | same error message |
| 11:35.37 | doug__ | i need help trying to import a .sql backup into a clean db .. |
| 11:35.37 | booteco | I'm with alsa problems |
| 11:35.45 | doug__ | man pages are frying my brain |
| 11:35.48 | jeffro | how can i make device nodes for my serial prot? |
| 11:35.48 | libertine | how can do to clean the dead graphics userface |
| 11:35.50 | booteco | anybody here can help me?? |
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| 11:35.59 | jeffro | port |
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| 11:36.09 | znx | libertine: xkill then click on it |
| 11:36.11 | znx | ? |
| 11:36.23 | nkuttler | doug__: get the mysql-doc package, 'importing data' or something like that |
| 11:36.26 | liable | jeffro: read kern.log in /var/log |
| 11:36.43 | doug__ | ok |
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| 11:37.11 | Naigler | murf: /usr/include/linux/version.h comes from linux-kernel-headers not kernel-headers-2.4.27. kernel-headers-2.4.27 puts most of its files in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 11:37.15 | liable | booteco: you will have to give more info than that if you want help.. |
| 11:37.16 | jeffro | what do i have to look for liable |
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| 11:37.23 | libertine | xkill do it,thx |
| 11:37.42 | znx | :) |
| 11:37.44 | booteco | I have a sis hardware |
| 11:37.50 | liable | jeffro: shit to do with your stinking pad, if you dont see anything, then the fucker is prolly broken.. |
| 11:38.08 | jeffro | it isnt broken |
| 11:38.13 | booteco | and this fu** hardware doesn't work |
| 11:38.14 | jeffro | it works in 98 |
| 11:38.17 | jeffro | and 95 |
| 11:38.25 | libertine | znx:pgrep prog (what's mean) |
| 11:38.30 | jeffro | its because it isnt gamepad |
| 11:38.40 | znx | libertine: returns the pid of a program |
| 11:38.49 | znx | you also have pkill |
| 11:38.49 | liable | booteco: what soundcard, what kernel? |
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| 11:39.06 | jeffro | its using a serial port |
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| 11:39.15 | liable | jeffro: great, just look in the logs. |
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| 11:39.22 | booteco | Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 11:39.31 | libertine | znx:ps aux | grep <programe name> return? |
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| 11:39.40 | booteco | kernel 2.6.0.1 |
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| 11:39.56 | znx | libertine: that returns the ps line of the program |
| 11:40.01 | liable | booteco: um, what distro are you running? |
| 11:40.07 | jeffro | cant find anything |
| 11:40.08 | booteco | debian |
| 11:40.23 | liable | booteco: again, what kernel? |
| 11:40.25 | zl2tod | jeffro, ls /dev/js* |
| 11:40.28 | znx | libertine: also use.. ps aux | grep -i <prognam> |
| 11:40.42 | jeffro | star must be |
| 11:40.55 | libertine | znx:return the ps line,list the dead process,and its pid,but i use kill pid,return a error,no such pid |
| 11:41.17 | booteco | liable: I'm sendd to /dev/dsp a .wav and makes a sound |
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| 11:41.20 | znx | libertine: no such pid.. its dead and gone |
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| 11:41.46 | libertine | znx:ok,thx |
| 11:41.49 | booteco | but im xmms or anyfing then I try to use doesn't work!!! |
| 11:42.00 | jeffro | cant find anything |
| 11:42.04 | liable | booteco: change the driver in xmms. |
| 11:42.05 | znx | libertine: pstree pid |
| 11:42.07 | jeffro | like the nodes arent made |
| 11:42.13 | booteco | I try |
| 11:42.17 | jeffro | but i did makedev -v js |
| 11:42.19 | booteco | but ... |
| 11:42.21 | liable | jeffro: /dev/input/? |
| 11:42.24 | znx | that will return the tree that the pid is in.. allowing you to see the parent |
| 11:42.35 | jeffro | event0 event1 event2 mice mouse0 ts0 |
| 11:42.51 | Whisky_ | How do i create Swap Space ? |
| 11:42.53 | libertine | znx:thx |
| 11:43.12 | jak | hello. ive got a general question. i want to use mutt and thunderbird (or any imap client), but imap is designed to create directories called .<dirname> and mutt doesnt recognize theese dirs... anyone tried this before? |
| 11:43.19 | libertine | did you know how to remove the scim input mothed |
| 11:43.37 | liable | Whisky_: man mkswap |
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| 11:43.48 | Whisky_ | k :) |
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| 11:44.00 | jeffro | liable: feedback is event0 event1 event2 mice mouse0 ts0 |
| 11:44.02 | booteco | I used alsaconf and he find that sound!!! |
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| 11:44.10 | ijurisic | hello |
| 11:44.10 | nkuttler | jak: yes, but i gave up :/ |
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| 11:44.19 | jak | nkuttler: :) |
| 11:44.21 | booteco | in lsmod the modules are there!!! |
| 11:44.32 | booteco | But the sound, nothing |
| 11:44.38 | jeffro | MAKEDEV -v js is the right command to make them right?! |
| 11:44.46 | ijurisic | I install Debian 3.1 sarge, kde,etc...but when I try print I have "cancel job" (I use cupsys) |
| 11:44.57 | ijurisic | My printer is HP deskjet 6122 |
| 11:45.02 | ijurisic | Please help |
| 11:45.25 | liable | booteco: run alsamixer, put the levels up. |
| 11:45.36 | booteco | I try this too |
| 11:45.44 | liable | ijurisic: apt-cache search hpjs |
| 11:45.44 | booteco | noo n ono |
| 11:45.45 | markit | hi :) is it normal that in the last 3-4 days, using Sid, apt-get update/upgrade gives me no new releases? |
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| 11:46.21 | liable | booteco: does xmms show the levels moving when a song plays? |
| 11:46.29 | zl2tod | markit, yeah, the master servers are being moved and all the developers have been accumulating hangovers in europe |
| 11:46.33 | booteco | the song dont play |
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| 11:46.46 | booteco | give me a errror |
| 11:46.50 | libertine | maybe you need xmms-mp3 |
| 11:47.00 | ijurisic | I try print from openoffice,and kwrite |
| 11:47.04 | booteco | really?? |
| 11:47.04 | zl2tod | booteco, what is the error ? |
| 11:47.10 | booteco | I'll try |
| 11:47.26 | liable | booteco: and input plugin is set to alsa? |
| 11:47.37 | ijurisic | Plese help, I need some links if we don't have time for print job problem |
| 11:47.43 | booteco | in xmms? |
| 11:47.44 | booteco | Yes |
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| 11:47.59 | liable | ijurisic: ah, just not from mozilla? |
| 11:48.13 | murf | Naigler: hmmm do you know how can i show what kernel headers are installed (i thought that dpkg -l | grep header shows it to me) |
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| 11:48.18 | Anthro | Does any Linux kernel support RAID6 or "double parity" RAID? |
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| 11:48.26 | liable | ijurisic: install cupsys-bsd |
| 11:48.29 | booteco | theres no package with xmms-mp3 name |
| 11:48.57 | liable | booteco: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 11:48.58 | [GABRI] | any people have cpufreq with amd mobile sempron? |
| 11:49.02 | doug__ | trying to import a backed up db into a db .. at the my sql prompt, do i want to type something like \. backup source /home/doug/g2sqlbackup.sql ? |
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| 11:49.06 | liable | booteco: what desktop? |
| 11:49.14 | booteco | gnome |
| 11:49.28 | liable | booteco: run that lspf command |
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| 11:49.30 | Anthro | doug__: What DB? |
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| 11:49.43 | Anthro | doug__: Sorry, I mean what DBMS? |
| 11:49.45 | booteco | sorry |
| 11:49.54 | doug__ | for gallery2 .. it snafued on an upgrade, oh you mean . mysql |
| 11:49.55 | Whisky_ | liable, I dont get the 'blocks' part of the man page? How many blocks do i want to create ? |
| 11:49.59 | matthieu_ | #ubuntu |
| 11:50.03 | liable | booteco: kill -9 artsd |
| 11:50.06 | matthieu_ | lol |
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| 11:50.13 | liable | Whisky_: dunno |
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| 11:50.24 | booteco | oq |
| 11:50.29 | Anthro | doug__: Ah. Sorry, I know PostgreSQL (and a few commercial DBMSs), but not MySQL. |
| 11:50.45 | Whisky_ | :| |
| 11:50.46 | doug__ | ah oh well thanks anyway anthro |
| 11:50.52 | jak | Whisky_: simply make a partition which is designed for swap space and then mkswap /dev/<partition> |
| 11:51.07 | matthieu_ | i m french so can anyone help me to install Nv driver pleazzzzz... |
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| 11:51.44 | matthieu_ | ?? |
| 11:51.46 | markit | zl2tod: is it a joke? |
| 11:51.47 | Whisky_ | /dev/hda2 4925 6229 10482412+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 11:51.53 | matthieu_ | its not! |
| 11:51.56 | booteco | I dont have the artsd running |
| 11:52.03 | liable | !tell matthieu_ about nvidia one liner |
| 11:52.05 | matthieu_ | i think |
| 11:52.17 | Whisky_ | how do i see what files are on that partition? I dont have windows installed :| |
| 11:52.43 | liable | booteco: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 11:52.48 | booteco | ok |
| 11:52.48 | jak | Whisky_: mount it... mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/<make a new dir called windows or so> |
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| 11:53.00 | Whisky_ | k |
| 11:53.02 | booteco | theres nothing |
| 11:53.13 | Naigler | doug__: I think you type mysql -u user -p < /home/doug/g2sqlbackup.sql |
| 11:53.15 | [GABRI] | any people have cpufreq with amd mobile sempron? |
| 11:53.17 | liable | Whisky_: thats the extended partition iirc |
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| 11:53.43 | Whisky_ | liable, extended partition ? |
| 11:53.44 | Naigler | doug__: or use phpmyadmin |
| 11:54.03 | doug__ | Naigler: the database's name is gallery2 (if i even need a clean database to import this .sql into) .. |
| 11:54.06 | liable | Whisky_: primary, then logical are inside the extended.. |
| 11:54.34 | doug__ | would i specify that db name in the command? |
| 11:54.46 | liable | booteco: so you can cat a file into /dev/dsp though? |
| 11:54.46 | Naigler | does your backup file have a USE line at the top? |
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| 11:54.54 | booteco | Yes |
| 11:54.55 | doug__ | i'll check |
| 11:55.01 | booteco | the sound plays |
| 11:55.13 | jeffro | where can i see what modules there exist |
| 11:55.16 | jeffro | on my machine\ |
| 11:55.17 | booteco | a little "freak" but works |
| 11:55.19 | Whisky_ | liable, I created this Linux partition as a Primary partition and I have one NTFS drive that I have files on. Apart from that nothing. Is it safe to make a swap on that partition? /dev/hda2 ? |
| 11:55.38 | liable | booteco: can you paste 'lsmod |grep snd*' to flood |
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| 11:55.57 | jak | jeffro: what do you want to do? normally, they are in /lib/modules/<kernel>/ |
| 11:55.59 | doug__ | Naigler: doesn't look like it |
| 11:56.01 | booteco | I've been rigth back |
| 11:56.17 | jeffro | because i want to load all modules till my jostick works |
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| 11:56.42 | liable | Whisky_: post fdisk -l to #flood |
| 11:56.43 | jak | jeffro: :) well, are you sure that there is such a module? |
| 11:56.50 | jeffro | yes |
| 11:57.03 | jeffro | joystick calibrator gives me a error |
| 11:57.15 | jeffro | and wants me to make sure the modules needed are loaded |
| 11:57.24 | Naigler | doug__: you'll need to do mysql -u user -p gallery2 < /home/doug/g2sqlbackup.sql then |
| 11:57.30 | liable | jeffro: lsmod, is stinger loaded? |
| 11:57.38 | jak | jeffro: you can check which modules are loaded - with lsmod |
| 11:57.46 | shmoo | is it hard to create a grub bootflop ? |
| 11:57.50 | zl2tod | markit: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050724 |
| 11:57.57 | doug__ | ok thanks , trying |
| 11:57.58 | zl2tod | wups - he left |
| 11:58.13 | jeffro | yes it is loaded |
| 11:58.18 | jeffro | i loaded is myself |
| 11:58.22 | jeffro | with modprobe stinger |
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| 11:58.59 | liable | Whisky_: your windows partition is inside an extended partition, did you delete some or something? |
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| 11:59.29 | Whisky_ | liable, During Debian setup, yes...2 windows partitions :s |
| 11:59.43 | shmoo | nobody has done anything with xen ? |
| 11:59.50 | liable | ijurisic: do you have cupsys-bsd installed? |
| 12:00.08 | bob2 | ijurisic: you seem to be ignoring the help people are giving you |
| 12:00.10 | liable | Whisky_: make swap on your linux one |
| 12:00.12 | bob2 | that plan seems kinda shit |
| 12:00.25 | bob2 | shmoo: #xen is probably a better place to ask |
| 12:00.34 | Whisky_ | liable, what about hda2? Should I get rid of it :| |
| 12:00.50 | shmoo | bob2: figures, thanx ... |
| 12:00.50 | liable | Whisky_: you cant really. |
| 12:00.53 | jeffro | you could not acces the specified paths, verify that the paths are specifid correctlyand you have sufficient permissions to acces them. Also make sure that the joystickdriver/moudle is loaded (type modprobe <driver_name> |
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| 12:01.04 | Whisky_ | k :| |
| 12:01.04 | booteco | hi I'm back |
| 12:01.04 | bob2 | shmoo: replacing lilo with grub is fairly easy, tho |
| 12:01.29 | booteco | liable: here is my lsmod |
| 12:01.30 | shmoo | bob2: really ? I'm afraid of totally screing up my system .. |
| 12:01.32 | booteco | snd_intel8x0 28932 0 |
| 12:01.32 | booteco | snd_ac97_codec 45956 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 12:01.32 | booteco | snd_pcm_oss 46884 0 |
| 12:01.32 | booteco | snd_mixer_oss 15872 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 12:01.32 | booteco | snd_pcm 87460 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss |
| 12:01.32 | booteco | snd_timer 22916 1 snd_pcm |
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| 12:01.36 | [GABRI] | any people have cpufreq with amd mobile sempron? |
| 12:01.52 | bob2 | [GABRI]: it should work fine with a default kernel |
| 12:02.01 | liable | meh, I said to flood :( |
| 12:02.06 | streuner_ | k7 for AMD Sempron here |
| 12:02.11 | simonrvn | how many people have pasted in here in the last few hours? /me checks lastlog |
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| 12:02.30 | liable | booteco: didnt I say paste to #flood? |
| 12:02.32 | jeffro | cant nonone helpt me... |
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| 12:02.41 | booteco | I'm new on this |
| 12:02.48 | booteco | and brasilian |
| 12:02.52 | liable | booteco: /j #flood |
| 12:02.54 | simonrvn | 7 since 08:08 yesterday |
| 12:02.55 | [GABRI] | mmm streuner_ how? |
| 12:02.58 | doug__ | Naigler: it just goes to the next prompt line, and phpmyadmin reveals no change to the empty database |
| 12:03.05 | liable | booteco: /j #debian-br |
| 12:03.12 | [GABRI] | mmm bob2 my cpufreq can not detect any drivers in my kernel for my laptop |
| 12:03.13 | simonrvn | localtime, which is EDT (-0400 UTC) |
| 12:03.22 | doug__ | Naigler: perhaps i should delete it? |
| 12:03.25 | streuner_ | [GABRI]: use a whole sentence, like Why is the earth round? |
| 12:03.26 | bob2 | [GABRI]: when using the default kernel? |
| 12:03.27 | booteco | I know but they cant help me |
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| 12:03.55 | Naigler | doug__: what kinda stuff is in the backup file? |
| 12:04.05 | liable | booteco: well, thats not really a good excuse then :P |
| 12:04.08 | [GABRI] | mm bob2 i use 2.6.12.3 kernel but in my kernel cpu scaling i put all as * |
| 12:04.18 | booteco | I know heheheh |
| 12:04.22 | bob2 | [GABRI]: does a Debian kernel work? |
| 12:04.28 | doug__ | Naigler: the program's gallery2, a web photo album thing.. dynamic stuff |
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| 12:04.46 | streuner_ | [GABRI]: so its a custom kernel? |
| 12:04.56 | [GABRI] | yes |
| 12:04.59 | Naigler | doug__: i mean is it loads of CREATE TABLE and INSERT statements, or comma seperared data |
| 12:04.59 | doug__ | Naigler: the images were in one dir, and i guess the sql file has user comments, image view counts, the like |
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| 12:05.07 | doug__ | checking |
| 12:05.08 | [GABRI] | the kernel have a default config of debian |
| 12:05.14 | bob2 | [GABRI]: so, when you use the kernel it came with, does it work or not? |
| 12:05.46 | [GABRI] | mm bob2 i use the kernel that come with debian "netinstall" that is 2.6.5 |
| 12:05.53 | [GABRI] | but y have 2.6.12.3 too |
| 12:05.59 | doug__ | oh yeah bunch of create table and insert entries |
| 12:06.00 | simonrvn | being brasilian is not a valid reason for crapflooding. you not knowing isn't either. asking where you can paste stuff is the sensible thing to do, however. and that applies to any channel methinks. it's just courteous |
| 12:06.17 | bob2 | [GABRI]: no, a netinstall would not have 2.6.5 |
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| 12:06.23 | simonrvn | booteco: may i talk with you in private? |
| 12:06.26 | bob2 | [GABRI]: does the default 2.6.8 kernel work or not? |
| 12:06.32 | [GABRI] | yeeee |
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| 12:06.36 | [GABRI] | [bob2] sorry |
| 12:06.38 | simonrvn | booteco: i have some questions that you might be able to answer |
| 12:06.41 | [GABRI] | yeahh yeahh |
| 12:06.45 | booteco | simonrvnOk |
| 12:06.48 | weedar | On my home network I use DHCP, but I want to make sure the computer running apache always gets the same IP-adress. Is there a way to do this? |
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| 12:06.59 | |Lupin| | Hello everybody. |
| 12:07.00 | bob2 | [GABRI]: so it does work? |
| 12:07.13 | liable | booteco: um, join #flood, the paste the result of 'lspci |grep audio' |
| 12:07.24 | [GABRI] | yes bob2 |
| 12:07.26 | |Lupin| | Please, how to create a Debian package from the files control.tar.gz data.tar.gz and debian-binary ? |
| 12:07.28 | bob2 | weedar: you can configure the DHCP server, if it's running on a Debian or other Unix machine |
| 12:07.44 | bob2 | |Lupin|: dude, don't use file-roller or karchive or whatever on .debs |
| 12:07.54 | Naigler | doug__: you could try using phpmyadmin to load the file |
| 12:08.02 | doublehp | if there is still room in the topic, could some OP add an url about the travel/migration of update and LDAP servers ? |
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| 12:08.11 | doublehp | it d avoid stupid trolls |
| 12:08.23 | [GABRI] | mm bob2? |
| 12:08.25 | weedar | bob2: unfortunately the router running the dhcp-server is a belkin wifi-router, so I can't configure it on that side I think |
| 12:08.26 | doug__ | Naigler: ok, didn't see any obvious places to import (export's there) .. i'll read mans and tinker |
| 12:08.46 | bob2 | weedar: it should give the same ip to each machine, anyway |
| 12:08.50 | doublehp | bob2: maybe YOU can update the topic L |
| 12:08.51 | doublehp | ? |
| 12:08.52 | bob2 | weedar: every dhcp server I've ever seen has done that |
| 12:08.54 | |Lupin| | bob2: I'm obliged. Trying to fix wrong dependencies... |
| 12:09.01 | bob2 | doublehp: I don't understand what you said |
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| 12:09.07 | petemc | weedar: tho belkin are crap, it should still let you map mac addresses to fixed addresses |
| 12:09.08 | bob2 | |Lupin|: no, sorry, just don't do it. |
| 12:09.16 | Naigler | doug__: on the sql tab, there's a text box and browse button to choose the location of an sql file to load |
| 12:09.17 | bob2 | |Lupin|: and try #debian-fr |
| 12:09.19 | weedar | bob2: Well, it did to that, but after I got home from vacation the webserver got a different IP-adress.. |
| 12:09.25 | doublehp | bob2: to put in the topic a line about the fact no more update are available since 21st ... |
| 12:09.27 | shmoo | the silence is deafening on ##xen |
| 12:09.34 | drasko | hi all. it seems like my firewall is blocking http://72.13.227.46 and I want to enable this. What to do, where to check? |
| 12:09.38 | weedar | petemc: Ah, I'll have to check that out, good idea |
| 12:09.40 | |Lupin| | bob2: There MUST be a way... I tried with ar, but it didn't work, jhereas I could extract the files from the .deb thanks to ar... |
| 12:09.40 | shmoo | ah well, it can wait ... |
| 12:09.46 | streuner_ | doublehp: read debian-devel |
| 12:09.50 | [GABRI] | mm bob2? |
| 12:09.51 | bob2 | weedar: well, just set it manually, I guess (ie don't use dhcp) |
| 12:09.54 | bob2 | doublehp: they're back now |
| 12:10.06 | bob2 | [GABRI]: then you misconfigured the kernel, or it's buggy. why do you want 2.6.12? |
| 12:10.07 | doug__ | Naigler: i'm seeing a box for Create new database |
| 12:10.10 | streuner_ | doublehp: Ryan Murray told us... |
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| 12:10.31 | bob2 | drasko: Debian has no firewall by default |
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| 12:10.36 | bob2 | drasko: perhaps your ISP is blocking it |
| 12:10.43 | [GABRI] | mm bob2 because in 2.6.8 the cpufre can not work with sempron users |
| 12:10.54 | Naigler | doug__: select the database then click the sql tab |
| 12:10.56 | bob2 | |Lupin|: what on earth are you doing? download the .deb again and install it with dpkg |
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| 12:11.06 | bob2 | |Lupin|: if you managed to destroy dpkg, reinstall, you're screwed |
| 12:11.15 | bob2 | (yes it's fixable, no, you're not likely to find someone to walk you through it) |
| 12:11.30 | |Lupin| | bob2: it is dot possible. The dependencies are wrong. Check bug reports for the darcs package, you'll see. |
| 12:11.30 | doug__ | Ahh |
| 12:11.33 | bob2 | [GABRI]: ... you said it worked on 2.6.8 |
| 12:11.35 | simonrvn | fixable, but arduous to fix... |
| 12:11.47 | doug__ | Naigler: i'm guessing i should bang in the location of the backup .sql |
| 12:11.51 | bob2 | |Lupin|: #debian-fr, darcs being broken has nothing to do with you attacking .debs with ar |
| 12:12.01 | zl2tod | drasko: iptables --list -n -v |
| 12:12.02 | [GABRI] | mm bob2 i work on 2.6.8 and 2.6.12.3 too |
| 12:12.08 | simonrvn | need some decent *nix skillz to fix it properly |
| 12:12.12 | drasko | bob2, no I am using firestarter, and I added a host 72.13.227.46 to be alowed, but still not working... |
| 12:12.12 | bob2 | [GABRI]: I don't understand you, sorry |
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| 12:12.23 | Naigler | doug__: yup |
| 12:12.34 | |Lupin| | bob2: I would like to fix the wrong dependency. I don't see what is wrong here... |
| 12:12.34 | bob2 | |Lupin|: the bug on darcs is not serious, just remove it and all will be well |
| 12:12.43 | bob2 | |Lupin|: then rebuild it from source |
| 12:13.00 | |Lupin| | bob2: hmm, don't wantto install Haskell. |
| 12:13.05 | [GABRI] | mmm bob2 i recompiled the kernel 2.6.12.3 i nedd that my pc work with cpufrew but cpufrq can not detect any drivers on the kernel for my pc |
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| 12:13.08 | bob2 | |Lupin|: awesome |
| 12:13.09 | drasko | bob2, I can see line in iptables: ACCEPT all -- 46-227-13-72.cosmoweb.net anywhere |
| 12:13.29 | bob2 | |Lupin|: then wait for it to be fixed, or learn to use dpkg-deb and dpkg-repack |
| 12:13.47 | stew | or reinstall etch or sarge |
| 12:13.52 | [GABRI] | mm bob2? |
| 12:13.58 | |Lupin| | bob2: why didn't you mention these programs at first. This is for sure what I was looking for... |
| 12:14.00 | stew | [GABRI]: what does mm mean? |
| 12:14.03 | takatumi | [GABRI]: try http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling |
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| 12:14.19 | bob2 | |Lupin|: because I didn't know what you were talking about |
| 12:14.30 | bob2 | [GABRI]: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying |
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| 12:14.36 | Caeies[taff] | re all |
| 12:14.42 | |Lupin| | bob2: so!ry if I wasn't clear enough. |
| 12:15.14 | eatUalive | hello ebody |
| 12:15.23 | cortex | When I boot my debian 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 kernel I get lots of "ERROR removing device blabla: resource busy" blabla looks like kernel medules for various disk drivers and such. Is this bad? How can I fix it? |
| 12:15.26 | Caeies[taff] | I'm looking after somebody having some experience in writing USB drivers or applications with libusb ... a question about packet length |
| 12:15.34 | ValheruLord | hi all. i am suing zoom x4 adsl modem via dhcp and wanna open my ports. 10.0.0.2 brings me the modem settings. So what can bring me my apache page(local) |
| 12:15.38 | drasko | zl2tod, I can see line: 44 1936 LS all -- eth1 * 72.0.0.0/8 212.62.62.0/24 |
| 12:15.47 | liable | booteco: lsof /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 12:15.50 | |Lupin| | bye all, and thanks, bob2. |
| 12:16.15 | booteco | nothing |
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| 12:16.35 | bob2 | ValheruLord: you'll need to read your modem manual |
| 12:16.40 | bob2 | that's entirely modem-specific |
| 12:16.55 | ValheruLord | bob2: aha found it:) 10.0.0.9 |
| 12:16.57 | bob2 | cortex: dunno if anyone here knows, but #debian-amd64 might know more |
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| 12:17.07 | stew | !permasunday |
| 12:17.07 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 12:17.47 | liable | booteco: I have no idea then, play around in gnome. If you can cat a file to /dev/dsp it obviously works, dunno why xmms wont. |
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| 12:18.08 | zl2tod | drasko ... I think you are correct that your firewall is stopping that ip, but I dunno what your firewall is so I can't help you to remove the rule cleanly |
| 12:18.10 | booteco | but in text mode too |
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| 12:18.23 | booteco | doesn't work |
| 12:18.48 | harleyg | with kaffeine, where do i put wmvdmod.dll for it to play wmv files? |
| 12:19.02 | libertine | /usr/share/win32 |
| 12:19.09 | harleyg | thanks |
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| 12:19.32 | jeffro | booteco |
| 12:19.36 | jeffro | whats your soundcard |
| 12:19.40 | jeffro | intel 810? |
| 12:19.42 | booteco | hi |
| 12:19.52 | doug__ | Naigler: "Your SQL query has been executed successfully" :) |
| 12:20.01 | doug__ | yay! THANKS man thank you |
| 12:20.02 | booteco | Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 12:20.11 | jeffro | wow |
| 12:20.13 | jeffro | strange |
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| 12:20.21 | aurax | !mirrors |
| 12:20.22 | dpkg | mirrors is probably at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 12:20.33 | jeffro | in your output i saw : intel8x0 |
| 12:20.38 | harleyg | libertine: still deosnt work |
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| 12:20.50 | libertine | i want make a application autorun when system boot |
| 12:20.51 | jeffro | i think you selected the wrong drivers |
| 12:20.58 | libertine | what can i do |
| 12:21.14 | eatUalive | libertine> a service or a real application? |
| 12:21.28 | libertine | a real application,gkrellm |
| 12:21.44 | booteco | whit mpg321 works |
| 12:21.48 | libertine | and a chinese input appliction fcitx |
| 12:21.56 | eatUalive | oh sorry ... don't know |
| 12:21.58 | jeffro | and not with xmms? |
| 12:22.07 | jeffro | try rythmbox |
| 12:22.19 | booteco | I will try |
| 12:22.21 | jeffro | xmms has a sh*tty font anyway |
| 12:22.25 | libertine | eatUalive:how to make the appliction boot with system |
| 12:22.40 | eatUalive | libertine>perhaps u should make a file scripts ... and u execute it at boot |
| 12:22.43 | stew | libertine: read /etc/init.d/README and /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 12:22.53 | Slippy | libertine: ~/.xinitrc |
| 12:22.59 | aurax | !dpkg backports |
| 12:23.00 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 12:23.09 | eatUalive | libertine> u put the command line that run the application in a file |
| 12:23.12 | liable | booteco: do you get system beeps? for shits and giggles, run alsamixer again, and put them all up |
| 12:23.34 | booteco | I'll try |
| 12:23.43 | eatUalive | libertine> and u place a link in /etc/inittab i think |
| 12:23.45 | booteco | wait a second please |
| 12:23.57 | stew | eatUalive: /msg dpkg iydkdg |
| 12:24.00 | eatUalive | libertine> that's just an idea .. i have never tried it |
| 12:24.00 | takatumi | booteco: did you unmute? (with 'm') |
| 12:24.12 | booteco | no no |
| 12:24.16 | jeffro | mpg321 works for him |
| 12:24.20 | booteco | I'll make a logoff |
| 12:24.25 | eatUalive | stew? |
| 12:24.25 | jeffro | s it cant be that |
| 12:24.30 | booteco | wait a little Ok? |
| 12:24.33 | jeffro | ok |
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| 12:24.44 | stew | !tell eatUalive about iydkdg |
| 12:24.45 | takatumi | booteco: if mpg321 works the problem is elsewhere. |
| 12:25.02 | jeffro | did he delete oss properly? |
| 12:25.20 | jeffro | maybe oss is interrupting |
| 12:25.29 | eatUalive | stew iydkdg? what's it? |
| 12:25.43 | liable | jeffro: if you install alsa-base, it blacklists oss generally. |
| 12:25.43 | jeffro | or maybe he had a another application run using the alsa driver |
| 12:25.48 | jeffro | oh |
| 12:25.49 | jeffro | ok |
| 12:26.00 | stew | eatUalive: if you don't know don't guess. why are you telling him to edit inittab? |
| 12:26.29 | eatUalive | ok |
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| 12:27.26 | gabri | powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.00.09b) |
| 12:27.26 | gabri | powernow-k8: BIOS error: maxvid exceeded with pstate 0 |
| 12:27.27 | aurax | how can i know my debian version ? |
| 12:27.32 | aurax | what command should i use |
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| 12:27.35 | gabri | why this error? |
| 12:27.47 | izn0g | aurax: /etc/debian_version ? |
| 12:27.53 | liable | aurax: you really dont know? |
| 12:28.02 | aurax | its a dedicated |
| 12:28.05 | aurax | say's testing/unstable |
| 12:28.11 | aurax | how can i upgrade it to stable? |
| 12:28.19 | stew | aurax: you would have to reinstall |
| 12:28.23 | izn0g | aurax: you can't |
| 12:28.25 | aurax | fuck that |
| 12:28.27 | aurax | gees |
| 12:28.32 | jeffro | or wait till a stable version commes out |
| 12:28.34 | liable | um, that would be a *downgrade* |
| 12:28.34 | BobW | what does the contrib part of the sources.list entry mean?? |
| 12:28.39 | aurax | sarge went stable, no? |
| 12:29.00 | stew | aurax: do you see: sarge or testing or etch or stable or woody or sid or unstable in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 12:29.06 | liable | aurax: yes, but if you have testing in sources... |
| 12:29.25 | aurax | i see testing main |
| 12:29.40 | liable | well, thats etch now. |
| 12:29.50 | aurax | that means ? |
| 12:29.55 | jeffro | etch is very unstable |
| 12:29.56 | stew | aurax: you can change that to etch and you will be on stable when etch releases, which could be years from now |
| 12:30.02 | takatumi | aurax: /msg dpkg releases |
| 12:30.14 | liable | aurax: it means its not sarge, or stable :) |
| 12:30.31 | aurax | so what is it ? |
| 12:30.32 | aurax | etch? |
| 12:30.36 | aurax | gees |
| 12:30.39 | stew | !etch |
| 12:30.39 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 12:30.40 | aurax | thats no good |
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| 12:30.55 | liable | aurax: how many times you need to be told? |
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| 12:31.09 | jeffro | aurax: just get the nwetwork install for sarge |
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| 12:31.19 | stew | aurax: you should bludgeon whomever had the brilliant idea to move a server to testing |
| 12:31.36 | stew | jeffro: he said its a dedicated server |
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| 12:31.42 | jeffro | oh |
| 12:31.42 | booteco | It works!!! |
| 12:31.49 | jeffro | rythmbox? |
| 12:32.00 | booteco | On xmms |
| 12:32.06 | jeffro | thats great |
| 12:32.15 | booteco | The problem was the groups |
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| 12:32.22 | stew | aurax: since you have a server running testing you win a free subscription to the debian-security-announce mailing list |
| 12:32.42 | booteco | the user was not on group audio |
| 12:32.46 | liable | haha, didnt even think of that. |
| 12:32.54 | aurax | rofl |
| 12:32.54 | aurax | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 |
| 12:33.00 | jeffro | lol |
| 12:33.01 | aurax | but i still see sarge in the packages |
| 12:33.05 | morgajelWork | stew: you can hardly blame him- he's been running testinf ro the last year. |
| 12:33.07 | Danar | i haven't seen any updates in several days... have there been no updates, or is something wrong on my end? |
| 12:33.13 | booteco | Now another doubt |
| 12:33.23 | stew | aurax: so you are running a mix of sarge and etch which is not good |
| 12:33.38 | aurax | that stupid company |
| 12:33.40 | aurax | FUCK CANADA |
| 12:33.40 | booteco | I dont have a framebufer working here |
| 12:33.41 | stew | morgajelWork: all the more reason |
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| 12:33.56 | gabri | why this error |
| 12:33.57 | gabri | Jul 28 16:25:26 debian kernel: powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.00.09b) |
| 12:33.58 | stew | aurax: do you know the last time apt-get upgrade was run? |
| 12:34.00 | gabri | Jul 28 16:25:26 debian kernel: powernow-k8: BIOS error: maxvid exceeded with pstate 0 |
| 12:34.01 | volki_ | hallo |
| 12:34.03 | aurax | few days ago |
| 12:34.03 | booteco | What i cam use to make this work hard?? |
| 12:34.06 | stew | !tell gabri about repeat |
| 12:34.07 | aurax | i did it right now |
| 12:34.12 | stew | doh |
| 12:34.23 | stew | aurax: if it hadn't been run in months it might have been sarge |
| 12:34.25 | booteco | I want to use the fbi |
| 12:34.38 | booteco | What I need to run this |
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| 12:35.00 | jeffro | geez what a problem with audio support |
| 12:35.03 | aurax | no, not monthds |
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| 12:35.09 | aurax | box is up for two weeks |
| 12:35.14 | jeffro | we really need a easier way to let drivers install |
| 12:35.17 | volki_ | i hve a small proplem with my mta |
| 12:35.17 | aurax | is there another way to check the dist releae? |
| 12:35.38 | stew | aurax: then its a sarge etch mix, soon it will break if you don't move it completely to etch becuase of the abi transition |
| 12:35.47 | Danar | anyone? |
| 12:35.51 | jeffro | like if you have intel 8x0 you do a apt-get install alsa-intel8x0 that would be so much easier |
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| 12:36.14 | takatumi | stew: why do you think so? if he has testing in sources and upgraded? |
| 12:36.14 | bob2 | jeffro: easier than what? having hotplug load it automatically? |
| 12:36.25 | zl2tod | Danar: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050724 |
| 12:36.26 | jeffro | no |
| 12:36.38 | jeffro | but there is some very bad support for certain devices |
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| 12:36.45 | zl2tod | Danar: the master servers are being moved and all the developers have been accumulating hangovers in europe |
| 12:36.46 | stew | aurax: you are not on any one release, you are straddling two, you can check the versions of individual packages against http://packages.debian.org/pkgname |
| 12:36.47 | jeffro | like my joystick |
| 12:36.51 | bob2 | jeffro: bad support how? |
| 12:37.01 | bob2 | jeffro: then hire someone to write a driver for it |
| 12:37.02 | stew | takatumi: he has shown us that for instance he still has sarges ssh package |
| 12:37.05 | jeffro | xD |
| 12:37.06 | bob2 | jeffro: or ask the manufacturer to do it |
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| 12:37.10 | jeffro | there is a driver for it |
| 12:37.22 | jeffro | and the manufactor dont want to do it anymore |
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| 12:37.29 | jeffro | he skipped winxp too |
| 12:37.58 | liable | jeffro: its been supported since 2,4 from what I briefly saw, you just need to do some homework. |
| 12:38.05 | Danar | zl2tod: ok, thx |
| 12:38.07 | jeffro | yes |
| 12:38.10 | volki_ | where in the exim4 ist the right place for AUTH_CLIENT_ALLOW_NOTLS_PASSWORDS |
| 12:38.17 | libertine | but i always dont know how to make appliction boot with system |
| 12:38.17 | takatumi | stew: ok. |
| 12:38.23 | jeffro | but if there was a function like apt-get install joystick-stinger |
| 12:38.49 | jeffro | i want to do that omework |
| 12:38.52 | liable | jeffro: if its all too hard, stay with windows... |
| 12:38.55 | jeffro | NO |
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| 12:38.59 | jeffro | WINDOS SX |
| 12:39.02 | jeffro | SUX |
| 12:39.12 | jeffro | plus |
| 12:39.12 | FieldySnuts | @lart jeff |
| 12:39.16 | FieldySnuts | ro. |
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| 12:39.30 | jeffro | there isnt a single driver for windows xp for my joystcik |
| 12:39.37 | zl2tod | jeffro: tried 'aptitude purge joystick && aptitude install joystick' ? looked at inputattach ? man jstest ? |
| 12:39.43 | jeffro | !troll FieldySnuts |
| 12:39.48 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 12:39.57 | jeffro | lol |
| 12:40.07 | jeffro | inputattach?! |
| 12:40.09 | jeffro | thats new |
| 12:40.32 | zl2tod | also aptitude show joystick |
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| 12:41.11 | jeffro | wow |
| 12:41.18 | jeffro | program inputattach (1) - attach a serial line to a joystick device |
| 12:41.27 | jeffro | will that include serial port? |
| 12:41.32 | Phated | Ello, FieldySnuts got trolled. |
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| 12:41.45 | FieldySnuts | hihi |
| 12:41.52 | zl2tod | no idea, I can't stand joysticks |
| 12:41.56 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.57 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 12:41.58 | liable | and didnt retaliate :) |
| 12:42.19 | FieldySnuts | yet |
| 12:42.38 | liable | hah |
| 12:42.40 | jeffro | inputattach: invalid mode |
| 12:43.14 | zl2tod | better to google it than paste it here |
| 12:43.21 | liable | jeffro: c'mon dude, try and do some homework and see how you go... |
| 12:43.52 | jeffro | ok |
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| 12:44.08 | jeffro | it seems that my device doesnt shjow |
| 12:44.14 | stew | libertine: read /etc/init.d/README and /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 12:44.15 | jeffro | Compaq:/home/jeffro# inputattach --stinger js0 |
| 12:44.15 | jeffro | inputattach: No such device |
| 12:44.38 | jeffro | but i made the device!!!! |
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| 12:44.52 | stew | jeffro: which module did you load? |
| 12:45.04 | liable | !ignore jeffro |
| 12:45.05 | jeffro | modprobe stinger |
| 12:45.07 | gabri | Jul 28 16:25:26 debian kernel: powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.00.09b) |
| 12:45.10 | stew | jeffro: No such device is different than file not found, btw |
| 12:45.10 | gabri | Jul 28 16:25:26 debian kernel: powernow-k8: BIOS error: maxvid exceeded with pstate 0 |
| 12:45.17 | gabri | why this error |
| 12:45.34 | jeffro | i did MAKEDEV -v js |
| 12:45.46 | jeffro | then the device doesnt exist again.. |
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| 12:45.55 | stew | jeffro: do you use udev? |
| 12:45.55 | FieldySnuts | please don't repeat, we saw it the first time |
| 12:46.08 | FieldySnuts | gabri: i've never seen that and I work with opterons. i would put part of that error into google, see what you get |
| 12:46.12 | liable | jeffro: thats prolly becuse you are using udev. |
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| 12:46.24 | jeffro | yup |
| 12:46.32 | jeffro | then how to make he devices in udev? |
| 12:46.44 | stew | jeffro: /usr/share/doc/udev/* |
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| 12:47.06 | FieldySnuts | @annoy udev |
| 12:47.12 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 12:47.19 | jeffro | damn man's |
| 12:47.35 | jeffro | can i create a device without udev deleting it?> |
| 12:47.36 | FieldySnuts | he's not dead, he's just resting. or pining for the fjords. |
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| 12:47.48 | jeffro | come on im SOOO close |
| 12:47.51 | FieldySnuts | you're not supposed to make devices manually with udev of devfs |
| 12:48.02 | FieldySnuts | but instead configure them to create those devices (no I don't knwo how) |
| 12:48.05 | jeffro | then |
| 12:48.09 | jeffro | im out of options!!! |
| 12:48.17 | jeffro | i need to make js |
| 12:48.18 | FieldySnuts | uh you are? configure it duh? |
| 12:48.22 | jeffro | and js0 |
| 12:48.24 | liable | jeffro: yes, go kill yourself :) |
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| 12:48.28 | Phated | Yeah, please. |
| 12:48.31 | jeffro | then i can attach stinger to it |
| 12:48.33 | jeffro | and it works |
| 12:48.35 | FieldySnuts | not even willing to TRY configuring it, obviously |
| 12:48.39 | FieldySnuts | have fun |
| 12:48.42 | jeffro | ....... |
| 12:48.57 | zl2tod | jeffro - try and avoid using makedev. let debian do it. 'aptitude purge joystick && aptitude install joystick' |
| 12:49.28 | jeffro | but i cant attach it |
| 12:49.42 | jm_ | jeffro: doesn't udev provide you with /dev/.static ? |
| 12:49.43 | stew | !tell jeffro about enter |
| 12:49.48 | roo9 | anyone know how to do the math to convert ipv4 dotted-quad to decimal? |
| 12:50.17 | ravenbird | udev: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
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| 12:50.18 | ravenbird | que tal, fieldysnuts |
| 12:50.18 | Phated | Uhm? dotted-quad IS decimal, surely? |
| 12:50.22 | jm_ | roo9: yes, many people do |
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| 12:50.26 | jeffro | what is .static? |
| 12:50.42 | Phated | Perhaps not. I withdraw. |
| 12:50.42 | liable | wow, ravenbird is only slightly lagged.. |
| 12:50.48 | stew | jeffro: stop chatting and start reading /usr/share/doc/udev |
| 12:50.50 | roo9 | jm_: could you possibly give me an idea of the formula involved instead of a smart-ass response? |
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| 12:51.06 | jeffro | i am doing so |
| 12:51.06 | jm_ | roo9: could you please learn to ask smart questions? |
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| 12:51.17 | jeffro | i learned that you CANT make new devices |
| 12:51.22 | jeffro | and that udev doews it for you |
| 12:51.26 | roo9 | jm_: could you please learn to stop being a complete ass? |
| 12:51.33 | jeffro | but it doesnt make js for me |
| 12:51.37 | stew | jeffro: you need to enable the new devices in /etc/udev/ |
| 12:51.41 | jm_ | roo9: no |
| 12:52.06 | jeffro | udev.conf? |
| 12:52.39 | roo9 | jm_: at least your honest about it |
| 12:52.45 | stew | jeffro: is that what the docs told you? |
| 12:52.52 | jm_ | roo9: and you're still clueless about the issue |
| 12:52.55 | stew | !spoonfeed jeffro |
| 12:52.55 | dpkg | Silly jeffro, Unix tricks are for bots. |
| 12:53.04 | stew | silly |
| 12:53.13 | jeffro | it told me that it detects itself |
| 12:53.24 | jeffro | and that i dont have to do anything... |
| 12:53.25 | Whisky_ | what Ethernet card should I get that works with Debian ? |
| 12:53.28 | miz | roo9; http://www.tcp-ip.nu/tcp-ip/subpages/dotlessip/ might be what you want? |
| 12:53.37 | stew | jeffro: you don't once its configured |
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| 12:53.53 | zl2tod | roo9: it's kinda easy ... w.x.y.z => (((((w*256)+x)*256)+y)*256)+z ... but that's most unlikely to be of any use to you |
| 12:53.54 | jeffro | if i type udev in a command line i see nothing |
| 12:53.54 | gabri | any people have amd mobile sempron? |
| 12:53.57 | petemc | Whisky_: any that work with the linux kernel, most should |
| 12:54.09 | stew | jeffro: what did you expect typing udev at the command line to do? |
| 12:54.15 | Whisky_ | petemc, And what router for sharing DSL ? |
| 12:54.19 | jeffro | configuring |
| 12:54.29 | jeffro | dpkg reconfigure udev cant |
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| 12:55.05 | petemc | Whisky_: linksys are ok in my book |
| 12:55.06 | stew | jeffro: what on earth made you believe that typing udev would cause it to configure itself? |
| 12:55.18 | zl2tod | jeffro - try and avoid using makedev or udev (it's for usb). let debian do it. 'aptitude purge joystick && aptitude install joystick' |
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| 12:55.23 | BadMan | I went through this once before but have forgotten got Sarge installed and kde up but now i cant seem to get the sound card up, ISA CMI8330 I have isapnp tools installed anyone got a wuick howto for sucha card? |
| 12:55.27 | Whisky_ | ok thanks |
| 12:55.28 | stew | jeffro: lemme guess, you don't like reading so you just type shit and hope it will work? |
| 12:55.29 | Whisky_ | later... |
| 12:55.48 | liable | zl2tod: eh? udev is for usb? |
| 12:56.08 | liable | zl2tod: where did you here that? |
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| 12:56.14 | abrotman | stew: you must bike today! .. provided it doesn't rain |
| 12:56.15 | liable | hear |
| 12:56.16 | zl2tod | udev is a program which dynamically creates and removes device nodes from /dev/. It responds to /sbin/hotplug device events and requires a kernel not older than 2.6.12. |
| 12:56.25 | jeffro | I DID zl2tod |
| 12:56.27 | stew | abrotman: my bikes are 1000 miles away from here |
| 12:56.33 | abrotman | stew: where are you? |
| 12:56.38 | roo9 | zl2tod, miz: thanks :-) |
| 12:56.39 | stew | abrotman: south carolina |
| 12:56.44 | jeffro | it asked me if it could make device nodes |
| 12:56.46 | stew | abrotman: myrtle beach |
| 12:56.47 | abrotman | stew: please tell me you're not on vacation |
| 12:56.47 | jeffro | i said yes |
| 12:56.52 | stew | abrotman: working vacation |
| 12:56.53 | jeffro | but there isnt make any |
| 12:56.57 | zl2tod | i'd be amazed if a joystick generates hotplug events |
| 12:57.06 | gil | is it possible to install X 4.5 for sid without causing trouble? |
| 12:57.16 | stew | abrotman: we're staying with my in-laws in a condo on the beach with dsl, we're working during the day then playing at night |
| 12:57.20 | abrotman | gil: XFree 4.5 isn't in Debian |
| 12:57.41 | abrotman | and i'm not sure why anyone would want xfree4.5 |
| 12:57.46 | abrotman | or xfree anything at this point |
| 12:57.55 | gil | ti supports my card |
| 12:58.00 | gil | *it |
| 12:58.02 | abrotman | which card ? |
| 12:58.06 | gil | radeon |
| 12:58.12 | abrotman | which radeon |
| 12:58.13 | Phated | SHouldn't xorg support it, too? |
| 12:58.17 | abrotman | it should .. |
| 12:58.27 | gil | xorg is in debian? |
| 12:58.30 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:58.36 | abrotman | keep up in the back there :) |
| 12:58.39 | jeffro | zl2tod: i did what you said |
| 12:58.44 | stew | gil: in unstable only currently |
| 12:59.04 | abrotman | gil: apt-cache search xorg (assuming you're on sid) |
| 12:59.05 | jeffro | but it isnt working because i canrt use inputattach because the device js0 does noet exist! |
| 12:59.08 | Phated | Isn't xorg supposed to be the magical thing that supports every new card around? :) |
| 12:59.23 | stew | jeffro: how did you configure udev for js0? |
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| 12:59.31 | abrotman | Phated: you'd think so based on the amount of fuss it caused when sarge released without it :) |
| 12:59.32 | takatumi | xorg provides native DRI for radeon here. |
| 12:59.33 | jeffro | how do you do that? |
| 12:59.38 | Phated | abrotman: Yeh. |
| 12:59.45 | gil | abrotman: nothing |
| 12:59.57 | jeffro | i tried udev.conf |
| 12:59.59 | gil | abrotman:isn't sid stable? |
| 13:00.03 | abrotman | gil: no |
| 13:00.04 | stew | jeffro: what did you try? |
| 13:00.05 | jeffro | but i dont know what to do there |
| 13:00.05 | abrotman | sarge is stable |
| 13:00.06 | Phated | ... HAHAHAHAH. |
| 13:00.08 | stew | 08:46 < stew> jeffro: /usr/share/doc/udev/* |
| 13:00.15 | abrotman | gil: sid is unstable .. etch is testing |
| 13:00.18 | jeffro | I HAVE READ THE WHOLE MANUAL |
| 13:00.21 | gil | ouch |
| 13:00.21 | abrotman | experimental is fucked |
| 13:00.26 | gil | im on sarge |
| 13:00.36 | jm_ | there are backports for Sarge |
| 13:00.37 | abrotman | ok .. then you can get the xorg backport if you want .. |
| 13:00.52 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 13:00.52 | dpkg | xorg sarge is, like, http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
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| 13:01.18 | libertine | stew:thx |
| 13:01.20 | gil | I don't have good memories from backport |
| 13:01.30 | gil | abrotman : thnanks |
| 13:01.41 | booteco | Hi people |
| 13:01.51 | booteco | here am I again... |
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| 13:02.04 | booteco | Now I have anothert thing |
| 13:02.16 | booteco | anybody here uses fbi?? |
| 13:02.21 | jeffro | UDEV IS FOR USB!!! |
| 13:02.35 | jeffro | i dont use usb for my joystick! |
| 13:03.45 | stew | jeffro: udev is not for usb |
| 13:03.53 | stew | jeffro: but you already know that since you read all the docs |
| 13:04.08 | jeffro | echo "/sbin/udev" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug |
| 13:04.18 | jeffro | hotplug = usb mostly |
| 13:04.21 | jeffro | not for serial |
| 13:04.42 | jeffro | i want to use inputattach -stinger js0 |
| 13:04.50 | jeffro | but js0 does not exist |
| 13:05.00 | stew | jeffro: you need to configure it in udev |
| 13:05.00 | ethics | mkdev? |
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| 13:05.08 | stew | ethics: he can't he's using udev |
| 13:05.25 | ethics | stew ahh... so unload it hehe |
| 13:05.27 | gil | question:how much different sid is from sarge in terms of installation/hardware support? |
| 13:05.37 | jeffro | how to unload it |
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| 13:05.40 | carcrashnights | When I 'su' using X, root can't open the display. Is there a way to change that? |
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| 13:05.44 | stew | jeffro: apt-get remove udev |
| 13:05.47 | jm_ | carcrashnights: yes |
| 13:05.50 | ethics | gil not much its more a kernel thing |
| 13:06.03 | jeffro | will all my hardware still be supported? |
| 13:06.14 | stew | jeffro: yes, but gnome-volume-manager wont |
| 13:06.17 | Phated | Newer software. |
| 13:06.20 | Phated | In sid. |
| 13:06.22 | jeffro | i dont use gnome |
| 13:06.24 | jeffro | :P |
| 13:06.27 | jeffro | i use kde |
| 13:06.44 | ethics | gvm can do any wm |
| 13:06.47 | jeffro | whole gnome will be deleted xD |
| 13:07.02 | stew | jeffro: gnome is only a meta-package |
| 13:07.03 | gil | sid has broken packages? |
| 13:07.10 | jeffro | when its deleted i can use MAKEDEV |
| 13:07.17 | stew | gil: many, especially now |
| 13:07.19 | jeffro | without reboot? |
| 13:07.20 | ethics | gil probably |
| 13:07.23 | Phated | gil: Yeah, likely. |
| 13:07.37 | stew | gil: if you have to ask, you really don't want to be using sid |
| 13:08.12 | gil | thanks |
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| 13:08.25 | jeffro | still cant make device js |
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| 13:08.36 | jeffro | do i have to reboot? |
| 13:08.44 | aum | hi - i had exim4 running fine over adsl, but my ISP has dumped me into temporary dialup hell, and incoming emails aren't arriving - any ideas? |
| 13:08.52 | carcrashnights | jm_: Is it an xauth issue? |
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| 13:08.59 | sciron | changing /etc/default/bind9 to include a -d1 doesn't seem to enable logging for bind. any ideas how to do so? |
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| 13:09.19 | jm_ | carcrashnights: correct - /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 13:10.02 | PerfDave | carcrashnights: /msg dpkg sux |
| 13:10.07 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:10.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 13:10.13 | PerfDave | Damn, beaten to it :) |
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| 13:13.32 | BadMan | damnit I was in sucha friggin hurry to get windows off that computer I didnt get the info for the ISA card off of it... CRAP! |
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| 13:14.03 | lwolf | hi, i'm looking for help on installing Apache2::AuthenNTLM perl module on debian sarge apache2 server, does one of you know something about this ? |
| 13:14.04 | abrotman | BadMan: isapnpdump |
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| 13:14.09 | abrotman | god .. ISA sucks |
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| 13:14.18 | abrotman | is there a worse architecture ? |
| 13:14.21 | jeffro | ok |
| 13:14.22 | sciron | mca |
| 13:14.29 | jeffro | now i have a really nasty problem |
| 13:14.30 | sciron | isa modems are better than pci modems, imo ;) |
| 13:14.37 | BadMan | abrotman: yeah its in and i Dumped the file but I cant find a working combo for the CMI8330 snd card |
| 13:14.41 | stew | sciron: blasphemy, mca was a great architecture |
| 13:14.43 | jeffro | now i cant start xserver |
| 13:15.03 | abrotman | wtf is a CMI8330 card ? |
| 13:15.06 | abrotman | oh .. sound |
| 13:15.10 | BadMan | Crystal Media |
| 13:15.11 | sciron | stew> admittedly I only ever had one experience with it, so my information is based on wide ignorance |
| 13:15.15 | jeffro | anyone? |
| 13:15.19 | abrotman | BadMan: is it ISAPNP... or does it have jumpers ? |
| 13:15.27 | stew | jeffro: why not? |
| 13:15.27 | BadMan | abrotman: pnp |
| 13:15.33 | abrotman | BadMan: i'm sorry |
| 13:15.39 | jeffro | it cant it cant find the file |
| 13:15.43 | BadMan | yeah yeah yeah 8-/ |
| 13:15.45 | jeffro | when it bootes |
| 13:15.53 | stew | jeffro: "the file" |
| 13:15.57 | stew | christ |
| 13:16.08 | jeffro | executeable for xserver |
| 13:16.13 | abrotman | sciron: and ISA modems aren't better than PCI .. ISA Modems are better than the average PCI modem .. which is a winmodem .. they make hardware PCI modems .. which are great |
| 13:16.17 | BadMan | I know this card works as I used it under Caldera eDesktop setup like 3 or 4 years ago.... |
| 13:16.18 | stew | jeffro: you removed xserver? |
| 13:16.23 | jeffro | not that i know |
| 13:16.31 | jeffro | after i remover udev |
| 13:16.38 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 13:16.38 | dpkg | somebody said isapnp was a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump |
| 13:16.40 | sciron | abrotman> yeah, but how many REAL modems that are PCI have you seen? in my country, they have always been rare |
| 13:16.41 | zl2tod | he did say aptitude was threatening to remove xserver earlier |
| 13:16.41 | jeffro | and rebooted i cant start xserver |
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| 13:16.47 | abrotman | sciron: moment |
| 13:16.50 | stew | jeffro: is it installed? |
| 13:16.59 | jeffro | how to check? |
| 13:17.10 | stew | jeffro: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:17.17 | stew | jeffro: what version of debian do you run? |
| 13:17.18 | abrotman | sciron: http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?sku=USR5610B |
| 13:17.20 | BadMan | abrotman: I have isapnptools instaleld and then did pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf and got my file etc... |
| 13:17.20 | jeffro | [3.1 |
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| 13:17.49 | jm_ | BadMan: that shouldn't be needed with 2.4 or 2.6 kernel |
| 13:17.54 | abrotman | sciron: doesn't matter how many .. as long as you know one that's still being made/sold |
| 13:18.10 | jeffro | i see something |
| 13:18.14 | sciron | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.18 | jeffro | rc xserver blablabla |
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| 13:18.24 | jeffro | 4.3.0 |
| 13:18.26 | stew | jeffro: r = removed |
| 13:18.33 | abrotman | BadMan: uhm .. i think you have to edit that file a bit :) |
| 13:18.42 | jeffro | how to install it again |
| 13:18.42 | abrotman | BadMan: and you might have to have your bios reserve an irq etc |
| 13:18.51 | jeffro | aptitude xserver-xfree86? |
| 13:18.56 | jeffro | or is there a better |
| 13:18.57 | jeffro | one |
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| 13:19.02 | abrotman | !refcard |
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| 13:19.03 | dpkg | [refcard] http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 13:19.06 | BadMan | abrotman: ok, got a link/howto or tips page that might help me? I have nothing against reading.... |
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| 13:19.22 | abrotman | BadMan: you get a prize :) |
| 13:19.46 | BadMan | jm_: btw, the kernel is 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 13:19.49 | jeffro | il try xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:19.56 | stew | jeffro: dude, you really need to read. your unwillingness to read is what got you into this mess, you decided to uninstall udev becuase you were too lazy to read the documentation and examples so you decided to uninstall it, when you uninstalled it it told you that it was going to uninstall xserver-xfree86 but you were too lazy to read what it was going to uninstall so you let it. if you are not going to be willing to read than i don't think debian is th |
| 13:20.10 | abrotman | http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
| 13:20.12 | abrotman | BadMan: ^ |
| 13:20.36 | abrotman | BadMan: that's the source site .. you might need a bit more |
| 13:21.00 | abrotman | BadMan: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Plug-and-Play-HOWTO.html .. also |
| 13:21.01 | jm_ | BadMan: yes, it has isapnp support, docs are in pnp.txt |
| 13:21.04 | BadMan | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 13:21.09 | gil | am I doing it right: deb-src for sid is: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free ? |
| 13:21.12 | jeffro | ok i will nevr use aptitude again it deletes programs |
| 13:21.16 | stew | haha |
| 13:21.18 | sciron | yep |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | gil: no |
| 13:21.20 | jeffro | with apt-get it wont |
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| 13:21.23 | libertine | hah |
| 13:21.23 | sciron | apt-get ricks |
| 13:21.25 | sciron | *rocks |
| 13:21.25 | gil | *unstable |
| 13:21.27 | abrotman | gil: use apt-setup |
| 13:21.38 | libertine | unstable,i like it |
| 13:21.42 | jeffro | im gonna delete aptitude |
| 13:21.47 | jeffro | damn program |
| 13:22.01 | stew | yeah, blame the program |
| 13:22.05 | jeffro | yes |
| 13:22.11 | sciron | or debians' default aptitude setup |
| 13:22.17 | jm_ | BadMan: ALSA also has docs for this card |
| 13:22.18 | stew | its not like it deletes stuff without telling you |
| 13:22.20 | FieldySnuts | dpkg -i motivation |
| 13:22.25 | jeffro | i did aptitude install xserver-xfree and it wanted to delete 99 programs |
| 13:22.26 | FieldySnuts | wtf? heh that's new |
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| 13:22.32 | BadMan | jm_: thanks |
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| 13:23.01 | sciron | jeffro> were you intermixing the use of apt-get and aptitude install? |
| 13:23.07 | jm_ | yup, ALSA module has isapnp parameter |
| 13:23.29 | gabri | powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.00.09b) |
| 13:23.29 | gabri | powernow-k8: BIOS error: maxvid exceeded with pstate 0 |
| 13:23.34 | gabri | any people know how fix this error? |
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| 13:23.48 | jeffro | how to reconfigure xfree |
| 13:23.57 | PerfDave | !drxx jeffro |
| 13:23.58 | dpkg | jeffro: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:23.58 | jeffro | dpkg blabla xserver? |
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| 13:24.01 | gil | abrotman : all I want is to add a source for sid backport |
| 13:24.08 | abrotman | sid backport? |
| 13:24.09 | jeffro | ok |
| 13:24.18 | abrotman | !simple sid backport |
| 13:24.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 13:24.31 | gil | yes I'm on stage 1 |
| 13:24.38 | abrotman | gil: deb-src <host> sid main |
| 13:24.45 | abrotman | gil: let me see the line again |
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| 13:24.59 | gil | am I doing it right: deb-src for sid is: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free ? |
| 13:25.03 | abrotman | gil: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 13:25.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:25.11 | ZibiKebir | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.12 | gabri | can i help me? |
| 13:25.21 | FieldySnuts | !confuse gabri |
| 13:25.22 | dpkg | No, who was my gouda yesterday, gabri? wellies of the republic of micronesia with extra ham |
| 13:25.35 | abrotman | who mounts a usb wifi adapter? |
| 13:25.40 | jm_ | gabri: looks like you can't help yourselff ;) |
| 13:25.47 | gil | ok thanks |
| 13:25.51 | ZibiKebir | well the sysetm aint recognizing it by itself |
| 13:25.51 | gabri | powernow-k8: BIOS error: maxvid exceeded with pstate 0 |
| 13:25.58 | gabri | i have this problem |
| 13:26.09 | jm_ | well google for it or try updated kernel |
| 13:26.17 | jeffro | now i cant start xserver!!!! |
| 13:26.28 | jeffro | error something with the fonts |
| 13:26.30 | ZibiKebir | when i isntalled the linux-wlan0ng and ran the command it says that device does not exist |
| 13:26.37 | ZibiKebir | but i did an lsusb and it was there |
| 13:26.44 | GregM | if its prism based and you have the drivers modprobe prism2_usb |
| 13:26.56 | ZibiKebir | it is prism based |
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| 13:27.28 | ZibiKebir | and i didi that |
| 13:28.14 | jeffro | PLEASE |
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| 13:28.57 | jeffro | the error message is: fatal server error, could not open default font: "fixed" |
| 13:29.09 | GregM | ZibiKebir: ifup ? ;) |
| 13:29.17 | ZibiKebir | then i tyepd sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid=setton authtype=opensystem |
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| 13:29.26 | ZibiKebir | whats ifup? |
| 13:29.34 | jeffro | someone help me plz |
| 13:31.03 | ZibiKebir | the erorr message i get is wlanctl-ng: no such device |
| 13:31.09 | lobz | jeffro: try apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 13:31.25 | jeffro | ok |
| 13:31.28 | ZibiKebir | ill be back in 5 |
| 13:31.44 | FieldySnuts | !date Phated |
| 13:31.50 | Phated | EW! |
| 13:31.53 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 13:32.24 | FieldySnuts | neh. |
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| 13:33.18 | Phated | :O |
| 13:34.02 | abrotman | open wide! |
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| 13:35.12 | philips_ | Anyone recognize these lines? I compiled a new kernel and I am getting them in my system log- killing my performance PROTO=6 127.0.0.1:6600 127.0.0.1:1699 L=52 S=0x00 I=19002 F=0x4000 T=64 |
| 13:35.16 | philips_ | ip_local_deliver: bad skb: PRE_ROUTING LOCAL_IN LOCAL_OUT POST_ROUTING |
| 13:35.19 | philips_ | skb: pf=2 (unowned) dev=lo len=69 |
| 13:35.32 | philips_ | What kernel option might turn it off? |
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| 13:35.46 | sciron | that's an iptables log entry it looks like |
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| 13:36.08 | jm_ | philips_: you want to turn off sending of such messages to console? |
| 13:36.14 | doub | hi there |
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| 13:36.37 | philips_ | jm_: I don |
| 13:36.46 | philips_ | jm_: I don't want them in my console or logs |
| 13:37.00 | philips_ | jm_: I get them almost twice a second |
| 13:37.21 | jm_ | philips_: so adjust your firewall rules |
| 13:37.30 | Rydekull | Anyone have a suggestion on some nice looking webmail-gui, squirrelmail is so fugly :/ |
| 13:37.48 | PerfDave | Rydekull: Horde? |
| 13:37.53 | Ronin | Rydekull: so modify it then, tons of plugins etc |
| 13:38.23 | Rydekull | PerfDave: well, that's quite alot more then 'squirrelmail' is, its a full system :P |
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| 13:39.18 | Ronin | Rydekull: used to know of an italian based one that looked, well i hate to say it but exchange like |
| 13:39.24 | PerfDave | Rydekull: AIUI you can just install the webmail part of horde. |
| 13:39.33 | PerfDave | Rydekull: Or, y'know, just tweak the Squirrelmail templates. |
| 13:39.33 | doub | Rydekull, i thought the point of having a webmail interface was being able to access it from quite everywhere, not to have fancy overloaded graphics that take a while to load. But maybe that's just me |
| 13:39.40 | abrotman | philips_: fix your iptables .. ask #iptables |
| 13:39.59 | abrotman | Rydekull: horde/imp are VERY nice |
| 13:40.02 | Rydekull | doub: didnt want it fancy, heh, just a clean interface that doesnt look liek.. well the first webpage I ever made :P |
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| 13:40.11 | abrotman | Rydekull: horde.org |
| 13:40.20 | Rydekull | abrotman: yeah, I know where it is, thanks |
| 13:40.21 | Rydekull | :) |
| 13:40.24 | gil | Build-Depends dependency for xserver-xorg cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libxrender-dev can satisfy version requirements - is it broken? |
| 13:40.27 | abrotman | Rydekull: use it! |
| 13:40.35 | doub | Rydekull, there's IMP then, part of Horde. but it's a PITA to set up correctly |
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| 13:40.46 | abrotman | gil: why not use the backport for sarge that's already compiled ? |
| 13:40.51 | abrotman | doub: is not! |
| 13:40.52 | Ronin | Rydekull: so modify it man dont be so lazy :) |
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| 13:40.57 | Rydekull | doub: yeah, heard about that, that's why I am reluctant to it :) |
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| 13:41.01 | Rydekull | Ronin: hah |
| 13:41.07 | abrotman | Rydekull: it's very easy to setup |
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| 13:41.19 | abrotman | Rydekull: and the guys in #horde are friendly(when present) |
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| 13:41.22 | gil | abrotman : I'm just following the stages |
| 13:41.23 | doub | abrotman, it was last time i tried (1 year ago) |
| 13:41.38 | Rydekull | abrotman: friendly helpers, now that is not so usual ;) |
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| 13:41.41 | abrotman | doub: i've modified the one we have here .. employees prefer it over OWA |
| 13:42.09 | abrotman | Rydekull: it's really not that hard to get setu |
| 13:42.10 | abrotman | setup |
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| 13:42.32 | abrotman | if mit and upenn can use it .. the average dork ought to be able to get it going |
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| 13:42.43 | gil | abrotman : should I just manually install the bunch of .debs from http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/ ? |
| 13:43.06 | abrotman | gil: you sohuld put that source in your source.list .. and then apt-get install xorg |
| 13:43.33 | abrotman | and erm .. the source would be .. erm .. crap |
| 13:43.35 | doub | abrotman, the hardest part i remember, was 1/ have an IMAP server set up, there's something i must have missed somewhere as to which one fits better with IMP, and 2/ horde/imp setup, which walk on the other's foot, IIRC |
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| 13:43.49 | gil | abrotman : it doesn't find it |
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| 13:44.12 | abrotman | deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
| 13:44.12 | abrotman | deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
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| 13:44.30 | abrotman | gil: use those |
| 13:44.34 | stew | yikes |
| 13:44.58 | abrotman | yikes ? |
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| 13:45.17 | sciron | xorg beats xfree86 hands down, imo, unless one has a really old video card |
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| 13:45.23 | abrotman | doub: dunno .. i had ours against imap .. then we moved to exchange .. i changed three lines .. yay .. it works :) |
| 13:46.05 | stew | god i hate imp |
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| 13:46.22 | doub | abrotman, i must admit i have an old reluctancy as to configuring mail related stuff, it's all black magic to me, too. |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | stew: there are worse things .. like .. that horrible perl mail thingie .. the one that refuses to use mod_perl .. so it spawns a perl process for every page :) |
| 13:46.56 | gil | E: Couldn't find package xorg |
| 13:47.08 | abrotman | gil: ffs .. apt-cache search xorg .. find one that looks right :) |
| 13:47.15 | FieldySnuts | sciron: definately |
| 13:47.30 | snappete | Hello, I'm here with a question; I have a woody-half-sarge system installed, I used aptitude to mark packages to upgrade/install etc.; I'd like to get a list of the files to be downloaded so that I can download those somewhere else (e.g. at university, where there's a better connection) |
| 13:47.41 | stew | abrotman: i just particularly dislike imp because i have to maintain a heavily customized install |
| 13:48.03 | gil | oh |
| 13:48.04 | stew | abrotman: and it got chosen over squirrelmail only becuase of its glitzyness |
| 13:48.06 | snappete | and then copy them to a pendrive and take them home; I skimmed manpages but I didn't find the information about what to do what I need |
| 13:48.11 | doub | snappete, apt-zip is your friend |
| 13:48.12 | gil | sorry |
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| 13:48.23 | liran | not being able to su from a normal user to root is because /bin/su is missing the s (set uid) flag? |
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| 13:49.16 | abrotman | stew: i prefer imp because it's PHP and i can change it :) .. ours here is custom .. but only slightly .. |
| 13:49.17 | snappete | doub: wonderful, very kind of you |
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| 13:50.11 | canis | Hello? |
| 13:50.20 | abrotman | noone's home |
| 13:50.21 | petemc | abrotman: the perl webmail client you mentioned, are you refering to openwebmail? |
| 13:50.35 | abrotman | petemc: i think that might have been it .. did they finally move to mod_perl ? |
| 13:50.45 | liran | guys? |
| 13:50.48 | stew | abrotman: squirrelmail is also php, i just think squirrelmail is a lot easier to use |
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| 13:51.01 | abrotman | stew: i've been using horde .. for a long long time |
| 13:51.05 | stew | liran: do you have a question? |
| 13:51.09 | petemc | abrotman: theres been no development as far as i cant tell, i have it on a 600 user system and its a pita |
| 13:51.10 | doub | stew, having your local one on CVS or SVN might help in this respect |
| 13:51.19 | liran | stew: yeah thanks |
| 13:51.23 | stew | doub: yeah its in svn |
| 13:51.24 | liran | stew: not being able to su from a normal user to root is because /bin/su is missing the s (set uid) flag? |
| 13:51.25 | abrotman | petemc: load killer isn't it :) |
| 13:51.41 | stew | liran: yes |
| 13:51.48 | canis | Can anyone help me with my file permissions? |
| 13:51.52 | rss | What happened to "reed" the text pager with bookmarks and all the nifty features? |
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| 13:51.55 | petemc | abrotman: actually, thats not too bad, the real problem is it onyl using mbox, and the way it structures folders |
| 13:51.56 | abrotman | you have to ask first |
| 13:51.57 | rss | it was in Sid |
| 13:52.04 | abrotman | petemc: eww .. mbox |
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| 13:52.09 | petemc | yeah :( |
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| 13:52.26 | rss | its creator I think was a debian maintainer |
| 13:52.28 | canis | this is me asking |
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| 13:52.41 | abrotman | canis: you have ot ask .. more specifics are needed |
| 13:52.51 | canis | right, okay ... stand by ... |
| 13:52.56 | canis | thankyou |
| 13:52.57 | abrotman | !ask |
| 13:52.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:53.03 | stew | !wikifaq canis Permissions |
| 13:53.04 | dpkg | canis: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:53.23 | snappete | doub: really thanks very much |
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| 13:53.30 | rss | is there a good text pager that supports bookmarks |
| 13:53.58 | rss | that is to bookmark a part of the text |
| 13:54.03 | liran | stew: any ideas how to get it back there remotely. i only have ssh access (with remote root login disabled) to it, no physical access. |
| 13:54.21 | stew | liran: sudo? |
| 13:54.32 | rss | to read Project Gutenberg textx |
| 13:54.33 | wam | On a server with apache/http, tomcat (java), exim4: Is it bad to chmod 600 /sbin? |
| 13:54.48 | wam | argh - 700 |
| 13:55.02 | liran | stew: how can i use it? |
| 13:55.03 | stew | liran: (if you hadn't previously setup sudo you will get nowhere with it now) |
| 13:55.04 | PerfDave | wam: Why would you change the permissions on anything like /sbin? |
| 13:55.05 | canis | I've installed Debian sarge, apache and ftpd. Apache expects my users to put their webpages in /home/<user>/public_html, okay so far? Now, when they ftp their files, and make the directory, upload their webpages to it - the 'www-data' user doesn't have permission to read the directory, or the files contained therein. How can i circumvent this problem without having to go into great lengths with each user about how to set the files |
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| 13:55.23 | abrotman | canis: set the umask |
| 13:55.27 | liran | stew: ahh, i haven't really set it up, and thats the problem i guess... any OTHER way :) ? |
| 13:55.30 | wam | PerfDave: To restrict my ssh-users a little. I know it's not perfect - but I can keep my (sometimes modified) bins away from them. |
| 13:55.39 | canis | set the umask? Whats that? |
| 13:56.02 | abrotman | !umask |
| 13:56.02 | dpkg | from memory, umask is 'man 2 umask' |
| 13:56.08 | abrotman | dpkg: less than helpful |
| 13:56.17 | Alexmoy | :) |
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| 13:56.28 | canis | 'okay, i'll rtfm on umask |
| 13:56.38 | canis | thanks :-) |
| 13:56.42 | stew | canis: read the permissions faq |
| 13:56.57 | abrotman | you mean wiki on permissions ? |
| 13:57.00 | petemc | canis: you would probably do that in your ftpd, i can upload files straight into public_html without any issues |
| 13:57.04 | parassimpa | server irc.irchighway.net |
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| 13:57.29 | stew | liran: i dunno, you should have setup sudo at least for apt-get :) |
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| 13:57.38 | canis | 'petemc> Any idea what i'd do to ftpd to make it happen? |
| 13:57.49 | abrotman | canis: which ftpd |
| 13:57.56 | xpato | hi, how can i know which is the resolution displayed? |
| 13:58.00 | PerfDave | wam: What on earth are you talking about? |
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| 13:58.06 | canis | 'just the one that came with 'apt-get install ftpd' :-) |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | canis: these are morons(technically speaking) that are uploading web stuff ? |
| 13:58.12 | canis | 'sorry, i'm very new to linux |
| 13:58.13 | abrotman | xpato: xdpyinfo |
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| 13:58.25 | wam | PerfDave: Will my system work clean when I chmod 700 /sbin? |
| 13:58.34 | petemc | canis: try proftpd |
| 13:58.58 | canis | 'abrot> Yes |
| 13:59.07 | abrotman | proftpd is bestest .. IMHO |
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| 13:59.22 | abrotman | canis: i was going to suggest scp .. but if they won't know it .. don't bother |
| 13:59.25 | canis | 'i'll install that and see where it takes me :-) |
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| 14:00.01 | abrotman | canis: and dont' forget to set thier shells to something they can't get a shell with |
| 14:00.09 | abrotman | yeah .. cause that wasn't confusing or anything |
| 14:00.10 | PerfDave | wam: I'm still not seeing why you want to do this. |
| 14:00.12 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 14:00.26 | abrotman | to me? |
| 14:00.30 | PerfDave | wam: You can't do anything destructive with files in /sbin unless you have root anyway. |
| 14:00.44 | abrotman | wam: your system will not |
| 14:00.50 | canis | 'abrot> About shells - Why? Can they get shell access using ftp? |
| 14:01.04 | abrotman | canis: is there a firewall blocking ssh/telnet ? |
| 14:01.13 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 14:01.14 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 14:01.24 | wam | PerfDave: I'd like to make it more difficult to - e.g. call ifconfig. Users will at least have to upload any binary first before they can do it. |
| 14:01.24 | canis | 'abrot> telnet, yes. SSH, no. |
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| 14:01.42 | abrotman | canis: you know that telnet is REALLY insecure .. right ? |
| 14:01.50 | PerfDave | wam: But users can't do anything with ifconfig if they don't have root. |
| 14:02.05 | canis | 'abrot> I mean they can't telnet in, only SSH |
| 14:02.08 | wam | PerfDave: They can see the output and Networktraffic e.g. |
| 14:02.10 | abrotman | canis: ignore me .. i misinterpretted |
| 14:02.17 | canis | *grin* |
| 14:02.18 | abrotman | canis: do you want them to be able to have a shell ? |
| 14:02.19 | PerfDave | wam: What network traffic? |
| 14:02.26 | PerfDave | wam: They can't change anything. |
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| 14:02.27 | sciron | no kidding.... |
| 14:02.33 | wam | PerfDave: How many MB taversed ethX |
| 14:02.38 | sciron | if you can't run ifconfig, you can't run ifconfig..... |
| 14:02.40 | abrotman | wam: who the hell cares |
| 14:03.01 | wam | abrotman: I do. I'm just curious if I can prevent them from doing this (and other things) |
| 14:03.09 | canis | 'abrot> I'd like them to have shell access, so they can move files around withint their home directories. But i really dont want to have to explain to them how to set permissions. |
| 14:03.10 | XandriX | in debian once i have edited /etc/network/interfaces i haveto restart my network card right if so what ifconfig parameter should i use if nto what should i do then |
| 14:03.17 | abrotman | wam: /proc/net/dev .. what are you going to do with that ? |
| 14:03.27 | wam | abrotman: that's the next step. |
| 14:03.29 | sml | Dont wanna get into a distro war but I have a question that relates to Ubuntu and Debian. Someone asked me why Ubuntu users cannot use the debian repositories (say if packages are unavailable in ubuntu). I said coz the versioning between the two distro's is not kept in sync and could lead to dependency issues and broken systems (this is my own view on the situation). Am I right or do I need to go back to them and tell them I was talking bullshit ? |
| 14:03.35 | abrotman | wam: you're crazy |
| 14:03.41 | abrotman | sml: mixing is bad |
| 14:03.42 | PerfDave | wam: That's not anything useful. |
| 14:03.44 | sciron | XaMaD> if you're using interfaces, ifup and ifdown is what you're looking for |
| 14:03.54 | abrotman | wam: you're making extra work for no benefit |
| 14:03.56 | sciron | XaMaD> */etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:04.08 | abrotman | who cares how many bytes you've transmitted |
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| 14:04.17 | PerfDave | sml: You're right. Mixing packages between distros may occasionally work, but it's never a good idea. |
| 14:04.20 | brosio | xorg is also in testing or not ? |
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| 14:04.30 | abrotman | brosio: not yet |
| 14:04.32 | sciron | xorg does not appear in my testing branch.... |
| 14:04.33 | abrotman | brosio: getting there |
| 14:04.43 | sciron | wooohoooo! kudos to debian for that! |
| 14:04.53 | sml | PerfDave: I guess the ultimate answer to this question is that debian is debian and ubuntu is ubuntu! different distros' hence different packages, and dependencies! |
| 14:04.54 | dendrite | wam: If you want to prevent ramdom users from executing /sbin files, then something like chmod 0710 root.staff might do it. |
| 14:04.56 | anhi | if you want to prevent users from detecting your traffic you will have to do plenty of stuff, since the package headers in the default unix kernel give plenty of information about the OS and the traffic of a machine |
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| 14:05.30 | stew | sml: afaik (which might not be much) the ubuntu versioning uses a -ubuntu.1 version appended to the debian version similar to what security.debian.org does to make their versions supercede the debian versions |
| 14:05.32 | sml | PerfDave: But just wanted to make sure that what I said was correct, I dont wanna be hurting the Ubuntu or Debian cause by making false accusations. |
| 14:05.32 | PerfDave | sml: Yes. Ubuntu don't take any steps to ensure binary compatiability, and indeed take several steps to break it. Branden and Ian have complained about this in the past. |
| 14:05.38 | abrotman | that's really quite stupid .. and would probably result is mass breakage of /sbin |
| 14:06.04 | abrotman | wait .. not my box .. what do i car |
| 14:06.04 | stew | wam: the bottom line is that if you don't trust the users, don't let them have shell acess |
| 14:06.05 | wam | ok - that's all I wanted to know. Thanks! |
| 14:06.05 | abrotman | care |
| 14:06.10 | abrotman | !secure debian |
| 14:06.10 | dpkg | [secure debian] at http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/host_security/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 14:06.15 | abrotman | !debian secure |
| 14:06.18 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:06.23 | sml | wam: look into chroot. |
| 14:06.33 | petemc | or selinux |
| 14:06.38 | abrotman | !securing debian |
| 14:06.38 | dpkg | i heard securing debian is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 14:06.39 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:06.53 | anhi | who needs Ubuntu now that there is Utnubu ( http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/07/msg00165.html ) |
| 14:07.03 | abrotman | anhi: that's a really dumb idea |
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| 14:07.37 | anhi | abrotman: what? Utnubu is taking the ubuntu patches and checks if they should be added to the debian package as well |
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| 14:07.47 | abrotman | anhi: bad idea |
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| 14:07.57 | anhi | abrotman: and whys that? |
| 14:08.07 | abrotman | anhi: how is it a good one? .. |
| 14:08.14 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 14:08.22 | abrotman | if you want to use ubuntu .. use ubuntu |
| 14:08.49 | solemnwarning | how can i setup my server to allow people in the webdevelopers group to use /etc/init.d/apache2 start\stop\restart? |
| 14:08.49 | stew | i for one am glad that some of the ubuntu changes are making it into debian |
| 14:09.01 | anhi | abrotman: why would i want to use ubuntu? debian is (imho) better, but in some parts ubuntu might have a few patches or fixes that debian still misses |
| 14:09.17 | abrotman | why not just have ubuntu develpoer directly for Sid .. then every 5 months .. freeze it .. release it |
| 14:09.39 | abrotman | err develop |
| 14:09.41 | stew | EGRAMMER |
| 14:09.49 | stew | err |
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| 14:09.57 | stew | like apt-secure |
| 14:10.04 | abrotman | anhi: i haven't found anyhting in ubuntu that i'd want in debian |
| 14:10.10 | abrotman | stew: ? |
| 14:10.20 | PerfDave | Uhm, apt-secure was a Debian project originally. |
| 14:10.23 | stew | oh |
| 14:10.23 | anhi | ubuntu has it's (well paid) crew, if some of their ideas/patches/fixes could enhance debian i am all for it |
| 14:10.42 | abrotman | anhi: shuttleworth could pay them to work directly on debian |
| 14:10.44 | Rydekull | I think it's a great thing to widen this all to the 'broader' debian-project |
| 14:10.48 | PerfDave | abrotman: Some Ubuntu developers don't develop for Debian too. It seems that one of Utnubu's aims is to encourage such Ubuntu devs to work with Debian, or to get Debian developers to translate their packages into sid. |
| 14:10.57 | abrotman | PerfDave: right .. some are gnome devs .. i know that |
| 14:11.08 | anhi | abrotman: well, but he doesn't, so we have to make the best of it |
| 14:11.09 | PerfDave | abrotman: Well, fuck Gnome up its stupid, ugly, unconfigurable ass ;) |
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| 14:11.23 | abrotman | PerfDave: btw .. did i show you the 'new' default theme ? |
| 14:11.36 | abrotman | anhi: or we could ignore them? :) |
| 14:11.50 | PerfDave | abrotman: Nope... |
| 14:11.55 | anhi | abrotman: definitly no |
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| 14:12.21 | solemnwarning | how can i setup my server to allow people in the webdevelopers group to use /etc/init.d/apache2 start\stop\restart? |
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| 14:12.40 | stew | solemnwarning: sudo |
| 14:12.46 | solemnwarning | without sudo |
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| 14:13.07 | corfe | I think the most basic way is to make those scripts owned by the webdevelopers group, and give the owner execute permissions |
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| 14:13.18 | solemnwarning | any1 can execute |
| 14:13.18 | corfe | but I think that might interfere with the way the debian package manager set things up for you |
| 14:13.21 | wam | solemnwarning: put apache in the same group and let it run on port > 1024. Then users can do whatever they want. |
| 14:13.27 | solemnwarning | but they they get access problem |
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| 14:13.47 | abrotman | anhi: sure you can |
| 14:13.51 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 14:13.51 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 14:13.57 | stew | corfe: unless they have root privleges they cant open port 80 |
| 14:14.11 | samuel | is it ok to use ubuntu packages if i cant find debian ones? or should i just build from source? |
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| 14:14.22 | corfe | stew: you're right, I forgot |
| 14:14.22 | PerfDave | samuel: Define "OK" :) |
| 14:14.28 | stew | solemnwarning: if you don't want to use sudo you'd have to make a suid root script, which is far worse |
| 14:14.37 | solemnwarning | suid root script? |
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| 14:14.44 | stew | solemnwarning: what do you have against sudo |
| 14:14.47 | stew | solemnwarning: yes |
| 14:14.50 | abrotman | anhi: i argued about this the other day .. i still think it's a piss poor idea .. but more seem to like it than not .. so i'm sure it will happen |
| 14:14.52 | samuel | PerfDave, wont break anything and will work |
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| 14:14.57 | solemnwarning | full root powers maybe? |
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| 14:15.13 | PerfDave | samuel: Probably not. Mixing packages between distros is never a good idea, especially if you don't know what you're doing. |
| 14:15.27 | abrotman | solemnwarning: change the group of the script .. put users in group .. make it g+x |
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| 14:15.52 | stew | abrotman: that doens't get around the low port problem |
| 14:16.06 | samuel | PerfDave, well... i never know what im doing though... so thats quite normal... :) thanks, thinks ill just build it |
| 14:16.10 | stew | solemnwarning: do you want apache to be on port 80 or is a port > 1024 ok? |
| 14:16.11 | samuel | easier |
| 14:16.16 | PerfDave | samuel: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 14:16.22 | abrotman | stew: oh .. whoops .. sorrry |
| 14:16.25 | abrotman | stew: make the script SUID ? |
| 14:16.31 | stew | yuck |
| 14:16.40 | abrotman | stew: find another solution then :) |
| 14:16.43 | stew | sudo |
| 14:16.51 | solemnwarning | whats a suid script? |
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| 14:17.09 | stew | i'm reluctant to even say |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | stew: oh .. why doesn't that work ? |
| 14:17.12 | abrotman | !suid |
| 14:17.13 | dpkg | methinks suid is "set user ID". unix supports a special bit in a file's permissions that will allow a program run by a user to run with the ID of the file owner |
| 14:17.20 | sml | solemnwarning: setuid runs as the user that owns the script. setuid(0) is very dangerous. |
| 14:17.34 | solemnwarning | hmm |
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| 14:18.00 | solemnwarning | why is letting 1 script run as root dangerous when sudo isnt? |
| 14:18.01 | kneet | solemnwarning, why not use sudo to give a group access to the apache commands only? |
| 14:18.24 | sml | solemnwarning: if someone can modify that script they could get a rootshell. |
| 14:18.35 | solemnwarning | u can set sudo to only allow /etc/init.d/apache2 start\stop\restart? |
| 14:18.46 | solemnwarning | if root owns script how can they modify?? |
| 14:18.52 | stew | solemnwarning: if you make that script setuid root then when someone runs it they get root privileges, but if they ever get the ability to edit the suid script they get full root priveliges to do whatever they want on the box |
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| 14:19.10 | kneet | solemnwarning, man sudoers for lots of examples |
| 14:19.11 | dendrite | solemnwarning: It is very easy to write a shell script that has security holes. Consider $PATH, for instance. |
| 14:19.13 | sml | solemnwarning: security vulnerability leading a local user to be able to modify a file owned by root, or shite permissions.. etc etc. Basically LOADS of ways. |
| 14:19.21 | gil | xorg is 4% faster than xf86 4.3 |
| 14:19.29 | PerfDave | !gentoosmite gil |
| 14:19.46 | stew | gil: depends on many factors |
| 14:19.53 | sml | solemnwarning: someone could cat $SCRIPT, read it and look for a way to trojan any of the binaries called by the script etc etc. |
| 14:20.13 | gil | stew: yes, you're right |
| 14:20.27 | sml | gentoosmite lmao. |
| 14:21.03 | sml | PerfDave: I hope you have a quote on there about using a cluster to compile proggies using distcc. |
| 14:22.35 | solemnwarning | i cant find the sudo line i need |
| 14:23.03 | dendrite | solemnwarning: You spent less than five minutes looking. |
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| 14:24.02 | Slippy | solemnwarning: man sudoers |
| 14:24.05 | wam | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s-kernel-root-prompt says to mount /tmp like this: "/dev/hda7 /tmp ext2 defaults,nosuid,noexec,nodev 0 2". That's crap. Some preinstall-Scripts execute Shellscripts, which are placed in /tmp before. And when /tmp has noexec set, that wont work. |
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| 14:25.26 | stew | wam: they also recommend you mount /usr readonly which certainly wont work when installing software |
| 14:25.28 | abrotman | wam: that's not crap |
| 14:25.42 | stew | wam: you have to remount filesystems when installing new software |
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| 14:25.50 | abrotman | wam: if you're installing .. you can change the mount option .. |
| 14:25.53 | wam | ah - they also mention a bug ;) http://bugs.debian.org/116448 That's what I meant... |
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| 14:28.30 | canis | who |
| 14:28.33 | canis | oops |
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| 14:29.30 | pattm | Hi there. I am trying to do an apt-get update and it just sits at "waiting for headers", but I can hit the apt source it is using just fine with a browser, and it was working with the same source before. I also tried some other sources. |
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| 14:30.16 | pattm | I also have a line that says deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main |
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| 14:30.22 | pattm | could that line be messing it up? |
| 14:30.27 | canis | I have another question, if you dont mind. At boot time, when the filesystems are mounted on various drives - what config file is used to define the mountings? |
| 14:30.56 | pattm | hmm, i got rid of the security.debian.org line and I have the same issue. |
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| 14:33.23 | Dazgard | hi here |
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| 14:33.53 | Dazgard | can somebody tells me what sasl version is standar for debian stable plz |
| 14:33.54 | Dazgard | ? |
| 14:34.16 | Dazgard | im configuring postfix to do smtp auth with sasl |
| 14:34.43 | Dazgard | is it v1 or v2 ? |
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| 14:35.56 | StijnT | Dazgard: I'm using smtp auth with sasl, it's sasl2 |
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| 14:36.21 | StijnT | but don't know for the "standard" version in stable |
| 14:37.08 | dendrite | Dazgard: Do you have a stable box you can access? If so, apt-cache search / show will tell you... |
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| 14:37.54 | Phated | packages.debian.org? |
| 14:38.06 | Dazgard | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.07 | Dazgard | i got one |
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| 14:41.13 | Dazgard | oh yes, i think V2 is standard |
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| 14:41.28 | stew | pattm: can you hit *every url in your sources.list? |
| 14:41.33 | phreak | With dovecot, how do I change where to store imap-folders? Now they end up in ~/mail/, but I need them in ~/ (migrating an old server) |
| 14:41.36 | stew | canis: /etc/fstab |
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| 14:43.02 | TTB | i lost underscore key after upgrading to unstable version, can anybody give me a hint to find it back? |
| 14:43.06 | mushed | i switched to debian recently (i got sarge 2 days ago), i have a question, how could i make it so that, my iptables rules, are restored at bootup? (i'm thinking init scripts) |
| 14:43.12 | stew | TTB: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 14:43.55 | stew | mushed: there used to be a /etc/init.d/ipables script but it might have been deprecated |
| 14:44.07 | mushed | stew: right |
| 14:44.11 | stew | iptables rather |
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| 14:44.14 | mushed | i haven't found so a script anyway |
| 14:44.17 | mushed | such* |
| 14:45.02 | mushed | stew: would it make sense for me to make my own? (i have already) |
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| 14:45.24 | mushed | well, did |
| 14:45.49 | kimo | guys, I'm on a limited budget, & wanna buy Tecra8200 (P3 - 1Ghz) laptop! Is this too old/slow? Can it play movies (I tend to watch a lot). Lemme know ur thoughts |
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| 14:46.17 | Akbar | did someone get snd_emu10k surround working? |
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| 14:47.33 | abrotman | probably |
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| 14:48.06 | TTB | To stew: I have tried all possible options, but nothing helps. Some more hint please? |
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| 14:48.21 | deepan | i installed java run time environment rpm.. when i try to install macromedia plugin for firefox... it says "no suitable plugin found" |
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| 14:49.12 | stew | TTB: have you played with xkeycaps? |
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| 14:49.22 | stew | deepan: /msg dpkg install java |
| 14:49.35 | TTB | yes, but it define my underscore as NoSymbol |
| 14:49.51 | stew | TTB: redefine it with xmodmap |
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| 14:50.45 | aurax | stew, what will happend if i change the repositories of etch to sarge main in source.list |
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| 14:50.52 | aurax | bad idea? |
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| 14:52.17 | aurax | !dpkg etch |
| 14:52.17 | dpkg | etch is, like, the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 14:52.33 | mushed | hmm |
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| 14:53.20 | jussesit0 | hola |
| 14:53.33 | jussesit0 | espanish? |
| 14:53.39 | simonrvn | #debian-es |
| 14:53.43 | jussesit0 | ok |
| 14:53.45 | jussesit0 | thx |
| 14:53.47 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 14:54.32 | abrotman | how come simonrvn gets all the easy spanish people .. when i try .. they msg me for further help .. *in* spanish :) |
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| 14:55.02 | simonrvn | heh. they know i don't speak much, but are multi-lingual ;p |
| 14:55.08 | simonrvn | j/k |
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| 14:56.14 | Phated | Heh. |
| 14:56.20 | abrotman | simonrvn: i had to have damog translate for me the other day :) |
| 14:56.26 | Phated | Haha. |
| 14:56.35 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 14:58.44 | joel_ | damnit, I just can't understand why my ipod file system suddenly is read only.. |
| 14:58.52 | stew | aurax: you don't want to do that. if you want to move from etch to sarge, you reinstall |
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| 14:59.57 | aurax | aight, gotcha |
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| 15:00.05 | aurax | just thinking now about all the backups ill have to make cuz of it |
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| 15:01.12 | Alexmoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.18 | pipeline | Jeebus: split + join ? |
| 15:01.44 | jarao123 | how can i get back to the config, or switch default to xdm? |
| 15:01.46 | pipeline | jarao123: That's very, very bad. I suggest you disable the drm driver causing the problem. |
| 15:01.53 | JViz | !seen LG |
| 15:01.54 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'lg', JViz |
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| 15:02.42 | Jeebus | pipeline: can I split the file one piece at a time? I didn't see a way to do that in the man page. |
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| 15:02.59 | pipeline | Jeebus: You use the command "split" |
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| 15:04.25 | Jeebus | pipeline: I understand how to use split if I want to take a 40GB partition image and make it into 10 4GB partition images. But I don't have enough space for that, so I want to make it into 1 4GB image at a time. Do you know how to do that? |
| 15:04.28 | dendrite | Jeebus: Perhaps a careful application of 'dd', piped into commands that send directly to DVD fs would work... |
| 15:04.58 | jarao123 | how can i change my default from gdm to xdm? |
| 15:04.59 | aurax | !dpkg etch |
| 15:05.00 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 15:05.07 | Jeebus | dendrite: that might work |
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| 15:05.56 | aurax | is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso the stable release? |
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| 15:06.16 | simonrvn_ | yes |
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| 15:06.17 | jarao123 | yes |
| 15:06.21 | aurax | aight, thx |
| 15:06.31 | jarao123 | how can i change my default from gdm to xdm? |
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| 15:06.45 | boycer | jarao123: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 15:06.51 | jarao123 | thx |
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| 15:07.05 | tbx | I know this is OT, but... I need a web-based upload-my-pdf-and-have-it-faxed service that is per-use based, meaning, I don't care at all to ever /receive/ anything - just the occasional send. Does anyone know of anything? I have googled my brains out and no dice. |
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| 15:07.28 | Phated | Email? :) |
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| 15:07.39 | Jeebus | tbx: in some cases you can use tpc.int, which is free |
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| 15:08.13 | tbx | Jeebus: yes, I checked that, but there are no nodes in the area into which I need to send. |
| 15:08.14 | boycer | !test |
| 15:08.14 | dpkg | Sorry, boycer, I didn't get your test. |
| 15:08.15 | tbx | Holy mole, what in tarnation was that! |
| 15:08.19 | BourneAgain | What would be the right channel to ask in about how many linux channels have Microsoft employees as ops in? And if a policy should be adopted by the Open Source community to exclude them from any such role? |
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| 15:08.49 | go3or | what means ASAP |
| 15:08.52 | dendrite | tbx: Do you mean you're looking for a third party service to do this, or are you looking for software to do it yourself? |
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| 15:09.09 | tbx | dendrite: actually, it doesn't matter to me, so long as it works. |
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| 15:09.19 | tbx | dendrite: ... know that I don't have a land line. |
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| 15:09.33 | petemc | BourneAgain: #bullshit-questions |
| 15:09.36 | pattm | BourneAgain: Nobody gives a fuck who you work for. |
| 15:09.38 | dendrite | tbx: Ah, so you need a third party solution. |
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| 15:09.53 | BourneAgain | pattm: They should. |
| 15:10.02 | tbx | dendrite: probably. I was unsure if there were some tricky app or not. |
| 15:10.35 | pattm | BourneAgain: the whole point of the GPL is there are no restrictions on who works and contributes. GPL license makes it perfectly legitimate for Hitler to use GPL'ed software to run his jew-burning ovens, and if he did, hitler would contribute any modifications he made back to the community, just like anybody else |
| 15:10.36 | dendrite | tbx: Well, sending a FAX requires the ability to make a telephone call. I suppose you could use a cellular comm link... |
| 15:10.40 | canis | You mean there's microsoft people in here? |
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| 15:11.00 | dendrite | canis: Hopefully. |
| 15:11.05 | boycer | canis: whisper it, they;ll hear you... |
| 15:11.17 | petemc | i know one person who works for ms and helps out in here |
| 15:11.17 | pattm | like if you made a program that said it was free to use except for microsoft employees, that would not meet the debian free software licensing guidelines |
| 15:11.19 | canis | *grin* |
| 15:11.43 | pattm | it's not really free unless everyone is free to use it and get involved, no matter who they are |
| 15:11.49 | petemc | BourneAgain: what business is it of yours who someone else works for? |
| 15:11.50 | tbx | dendrite: probably best a 3rd party. After pages and pages of googling, all I seem to be finding are those that want to sell big fancy packages of services that include ongoing monthly fees. I just need the occasional outbound, and that's it. |
| 15:11.51 | pattm | that's the whole point to freedom |
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| 15:12.40 | tbx | BourneAgain: it's a double-edged sword - freedom means freedom also for those that seek to destroy it. |
| 15:12.55 | dendrite | tbx: Another approach might lie in VoIP... |
| 15:12.56 | BourneAgain | petemc: Well considering suppression of speech by Gates at Berkeley on Open Source and the support of it by many in the educational community I was wondering. But I understand the comments here. |
| 15:13.21 | qwertz__ | Hi! When I use "find /home/backup -mtime +30 -exec rm {} \;" as cronjob to remove all backup files that are older than 30 days do I have to escape the brackets or can I use them like in bash? |
| 15:13.26 | tbx | dendrite: perhaps in the future... that would be more of a transition than I am able to make at this point. Especially when I have a fax that needs to go out today... :) |
| 15:13.51 | BourneAgain | I am just curious why Microsoft employees would contribute if it were not seen as damageing by them in some way to the Open Source community. |
| 15:14.04 | boycer | jarao123: I think you need dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but I may well be wrong there. Ask the channel, someone here will know. |
| 15:14.07 | dendrite | tbx: Maybe contact a local print shop? |
| 15:14.21 | jarao123 | k, thanks |
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| 15:14.32 | dendrite | BourneAgain: It's not why the would, it's that they're free to. |
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| 15:14.45 | dendrite | s/the /they / |
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| 15:14.57 | tbx | dendrite: which I have done in the past, and which I will probably have to do today. But I was hoping to find a better solution. Web based. The technology exists, but I just fail to find a service that suits my minimal needs. |
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| 15:15.14 | BourneAgain | dendrite: Understand. |
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| 15:15.34 | dendrite | tbx: Well, such a service would have to spend a lot of effort to make sure they weren't being abused to send illegal "junk fax" messages. |
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| 15:16.16 | tbx | dendrite: which it appears that they each/all are )1) already doing, or )2) actually promoting; depending on which service. Snarf! |
| 15:16.23 | metaperl | I honestly dont believe my sound device is busy... |
| 15:16.31 | asg | !beer lilo |
| 15:16.36 | BourneAgain | The answer to why I would be concerned about if someone worked for Microsoft and wanted to work with me on an opensource project should be fairly obvious. It would raise flags. I would probably not allow it. That is within the rules right? |
| 15:16.45 | metaperl | In fact, I can hit control-g and hear it immediately, yet apps are claiming it is in use |
| 15:17.01 | lilo | BourneAgain: you don't have to accept patches from anyone you don't want to |
| 15:17.04 | tbx | BourneAgain: No, dude. Freedom is absolute. It either exists or is in jeopardy. |
| 15:17.09 | petemc | BourneAgain: you can do whatever you want, its when you try to force your will on other people thats the problem |
| 15:17.12 | BourneAgain | So I could lead an initiative that would specifically exclude Microsoft contributions. |
| 15:17.13 | dendrite | BourneAgain: If it's your project, you can make up any rules you like. |
| 15:17.24 | BourneAgain | dendrite: Gotcha |
| 15:17.44 | go3or | when i login "su username" I still have root privileges? please help |
| 15:17.45 | lilo | BourneAgain: you do want to make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot though |
| 15:18.00 | defcon8 | hello lilo |
| 15:18.18 | lilo | BourneAgain: if you're too careful accepting contributions, you might create to an atmosphere which would make it hard for people to contribute to established projects |
| 15:18.22 | dendrite | BourneAgain: But beware, freedom is a balancing act, and once you fall from it, it's very hard to get back. |
| 15:18.29 | lilo | BourneAgain: there are always things to watch for |
| 15:18.34 | lilo | hey defcon8 |
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| 15:18.53 | solemnwarning | yay \o/ |
| 15:19.02 | solemnwarning | why does #deb have an overflow?? |
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| 15:19.37 | lilo | solemnwarning: for cases where people can't join |
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| 15:19.51 | solemnwarning | why is there a limit? |
| 15:19.52 | lilo | solemnwarning: having a separate channel, you can use the topic and possibly the entry message to explain the situation |
| 15:19.58 | lilo | solemnwarning: kiddie attacks |
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| 15:20.03 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 15:20.15 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: It stops joinflood attacks bringing down the server. |
| 15:20.21 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 15:20.22 | pattm | BourneAgain: If you think about it, it's like, we can't have freedom of speech if we don't allow the Ku Klux Klan to march |
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| 15:20.49 | nvz__ | solemnwarning: helps prevent join flooding. in addition to the eggdrop bot that controls it |
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| 15:21.01 | lilo | PerfDave: more that it stops attacks on the channel |
| 15:21.06 | solemnwarning | eggdrop? |
| 15:21.07 | PerfDave | lilo: Fair enough :) |
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| 15:21.21 | solemnwarning | i prefer xchat and a perl script over eggdrop |
| 15:21.27 | BourneAgain | pattm: I understand that I think, but I don't have to march with em :) |
| 15:21.46 | lilo | it's clear the US patent system needs cleaning up |
| 15:21.50 | lilo | software patents are a problem |
| 15:21.55 | eps | yes, yes they are |
| 15:21.57 | solemnwarning | yep |
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| 15:22.03 | TTB | to stew: Thank you very much! I got my underscore back! |
| 15:22.04 | mushed | europe is software patent-free |
| 15:22.15 | eps | mushed for now |
| 15:22.22 | solemnwarning | and the uk is patent free i think \o/ |
| 15:22.23 | lilo | in fact, I would have to say that anything that restricts the implementation of free software is getting to be a big problem from a political standpoint, and it' s our job to make sure that becomes more and more the case ;) |
| 15:22.23 | mushed | eps: yeah |
| 15:22.34 | lilo | solemnwarning: I'm not sure |
| 15:22.36 | LSorensen | solemnwarning: no the uk has patents |
| 15:22.37 | nvz | I didnt read extensivly about the stuff.. but from what I did read it was just silly. for people to try and claim clicking inside a window as a patent or something |
| 15:22.43 | solemnwarning | oh :( |
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| 15:22.57 | LSorensen | solemnwarning: msot western countries do |
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| 15:23.32 | websdale | solemnwarning:the UK doesn't have Software patents though & that's the issue |
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| 15:23.47 | mushed | iirc, the EU rejected the directive for software patents |
| 15:23.57 | mushed | at least, EU-wide software patents |
| 15:24.00 | canis | for now ... but we're becomming more and more american evrryday |
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| 15:24.24 | nvz | oh well I got to move along. go to the office, do some paperwork.. heh |
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| 15:25.16 | mushed | canis: ya |
| 15:25.20 | xoz | nvz: you still have paper in your office? this is a paperless civilization now :) |
| 15:25.41 | canis | *fdl @ paperless* |
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| 15:26.03 | BourneAgain | lilo: I appreciate the comments. I do not have warm feeling at all in regard to the lies Microsoft tells the world every day about Open Source, or the suppression of free speech at places like Berkeley when it comes to challenging those statements in a public forum. |
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| 15:26.09 | nvz | xoz: well when I say go to the office to do paperwork, I mean the toilet the tp.. |
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| 15:26.27 | lilo | BourneAgain: well, there are problems in the US, problems in EU, problems elsewhere |
| 15:26.50 | lilo | BourneAgain: as an American I don't consider Microsoft an American corporation so much as a problem that started here first |
| 15:27.01 | lilo | BourneAgain: not that they are an unusual problem |
| 15:27.07 | Maliuta | lilo: problems everywhere because of US FTA |
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| 15:27.13 | BourneAgain | lilo: Right |
| 15:27.23 | sour | silly american pride :P |
| 15:27.36 | lilo | Maliuta: if everyone out there were pristine and innocent, the problems would not exist ;) |
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| 15:27.56 | canis | I would beware of anyone who claims to 'own' an idea. That basically meansi'm not allowed to think certain things. |
| 15:28.07 | mushed | heh, i agree |
| 15:28.12 | esk | canis: you aren't allowed to think about that |
| 15:28.16 | TTimo | lo. mirrors still not updating? |
| 15:28.19 | lilo | canis: stop thinking that please |
| 15:28.21 | sour | hey that's my idea |
| 15:28.27 | canis | rats! Somebody patented that thought already! :-) |
| 15:28.34 | canis | *chuckle* |
| 15:28.35 | mushed | :) |
| 15:28.52 | lilo | canis: I'll have to talk with them, I've patented patenting a thought |
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| 15:29.04 | mushed | here come the lawsuits |
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| 15:29.08 | sour | i've patented patenting a patent ! |
| 15:29.09 | BourneAgain | sour: I am a US citizen. I was made about H1Bs and L1s, but not for the reason most people would think. I wanted to make them citizens, not send them back. I see, firsthand, the vile exploitation of fellow software developers from India, and it makes me very angry. |
| 15:29.11 | canis | you cant - i've patented verbal communication |
| 15:29.22 | BourneAgain | I am mad ... that is |
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| 15:29.35 | mushed | :) |
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| 15:30.14 | sour | BourneAgain would it make you angry that company i work for outsources work to india? :P |
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| 15:30.16 | mushed | hell, he'll sue us all! |
| 15:30.16 | lilo | I own you all ;) |
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| 15:30.20 | mushed | :) |
| 15:30.42 | lilo | aktinos: I'm sorry, I'm afraid as organic material you're going to have to pay me a royalty to do that :) |
| 15:30.43 | Whisky_ | Help. How many blocks of Swap should I create if I want to make a 512mb Swap ? |
| 15:30.56 | mushed | i order everyone off the server! |
| 15:31.00 | lindenle | ***test |
| 15:31.01 | Jeebus | I suspect the answer is no, but is there a way to do a chkdsk/fsck-type check on an ntfs filesystem from linux? |
| 15:31.10 | canis | bourneagain> I'ts not just software - it's shoes, car parts, tea, coffee, in fact everything. The UK owes the whole industrial revolution to the exploitation of Africa. It's not a new thing. |
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| 15:31.17 | simonrvn | Jeebus: no |
| 15:31.34 | simonrvn | canis: 500+ years |
| 15:31.37 | tdela | Is xorg in the latest debian release or any of the versions? |
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| 15:31.41 | BourneAgain | sour: It makes me angry to see expoitation of fellow professionals. Outsourcing itself is not exploitation. |
| 15:31.44 | dendrite | Whisky_: Using fdisk? Perhaps you can just specify a size as 512M ? |
| 15:31.50 | Whisky_ | :/ |
| 15:31.54 | xoz | tdela: /topic |
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| 15:32.17 | Whisky_ | Usage: mkswap [-c] [-v0|-v1] [-pPAGESZ] [-L label] /dev/name [blocks] |
| 15:32.18 | tdela | breakage? |
| 15:32.23 | tdela | errrr? |
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| 15:32.28 | Whisky_ | mkswap /dev/hda1/ 512 err?? |
| 15:32.34 | tdela | whats going on with it, url for it? |
| 15:32.41 | roler | I am running exim4 on my debian box for my outgoing SMTP server and there is a delay, about 30 seconds before emails are sent out... when I telnet to port 25, its the same thing. I don't get a greeting until about after 30 seconds. How can I get rid of this delay? |
| 15:32.42 | dendrite | Whisky_: Else, what's the block size of your device? |
| 15:32.42 | simonrvn | fuck, fluxbox causes serious xserver bloating |
| 15:32.42 | ma3x | this is fukin stupid, why does my /etc/resolv.conf get reset every 1-2 days? |
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| 15:32.50 | simonrvn | nothing fancy enabled too... |
| 15:32.53 | petemc | ma3x: dhcp |
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| 15:33.06 | ma3x | petemc: because of the dhcp? |
| 15:33.08 | petemc | yes |
| 15:33.11 | roler | ma3x; yes |
| 15:33.11 | sour | roler perhaps it's DNS causing that |
| 15:33.12 | petemc | most likely |
| 15:33.17 | BourneAgain | lilo: Yeah, sorry. It just makes my blood boil thinking about what has happened to some of my fellow workers that were here on H1B. |
| 15:33.20 | Whisky_ | 8578710 blocks |
| 15:33.24 | ma3x | can i disable the reseting? |
| 15:33.35 | roler | sour; no.. it connects instantly. TCP connection is open and waiting. it's just delaying the greeting |
| 15:33.39 | csdgp | ma3x: you can set an option in your dhclient.conf to ignore nameserver settings from the dhcp server |
| 15:33.40 | dendrite | Whisky_: I mean, what is the size of one block... |
| 15:33.51 | lehel | hello |
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| 15:33.56 | Whisky_ | dendrite, i dont know :| |
| 15:34.09 | xoz | ma3x: are you using dhcp? |
| 15:34.10 | petemc | ma3x: sure, dhclient has options, or you can use something like resolvconf |
| 15:34.15 | sour | roler yeh, only reason i am saying this is because i've had a simular instance with another application, it connects fine, then just waits to say "Hello <hostname." |
| 15:34.19 | ma3x | xoz: yeah |
| 15:34.30 | lehel | ppl what do you think?.. if i have an ISDN Fritz card.. can i use as a modem, to try to call out? |
| 15:34.31 | dendrite | Whisky_: Well, you have the size of the device in blocks, now just divide the size of the device, in M, by that number... |
| 15:34.32 | solemnwarning | when will apt include clamav version 0.86.2? |
| 15:34.34 | xoz | ma3x: there is an option in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 15:34.37 | Whisky_ | k |
| 15:34.38 | roler | hmm |
| 15:34.42 | xoz | ma3x: not to reset it |
| 15:34.48 | solemnwarning | i need to upgrade my mail server because of an exploit |
| 15:34.52 | petemc | solemnwarning: i use debian volatile to keep up to date with clamav |
| 15:35.10 | solemnwarning | whats the package name for 0.86.2 then? |
| 15:35.22 | petemc | solemnwarning: its the same name... |
| 15:35.23 | websdale | ma3x:what is the problem with it being reset? |
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| 15:35.56 | ma3x | what's that setting? |
| 15:35.59 | csdgp | ma3x: take the "domain-name-servers" out of the "request" line in dhclient.conf & that should do it. |
| 15:36.03 | BourneAgain | The Debian distribution of linux is the greatest current threat to Microsoft, IMHO. I will do everything in my power to get IBM to contribute to its development :o) |
| 15:36.03 | aurax | how can i check the distribution version with a command on command line ? |
| 15:36.05 | petemc | ma3x: check the docs, dont be so lazy |
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| 15:36.20 | mithi | hi |
| 15:36.26 | ma3x | in dhclint.conf there is # in all of the lines |
| 15:36.34 | ma3x | that means everythig is ignored! |
| 15:36.42 | petemc | oh gn0! |
| 15:36.45 | mithi | I have a littlle question: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html I have to configure some modules but i can't find them. It lists only module names butnot where they are. I can't find them in the kernel config which i open in /usr/src/linux with make menuconfig . Is there any other commands where i can configure modules? |
| 15:36.47 | dave | aurax: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:36.52 | canis | BourneAgain> You really hate M$, eh? |
| 15:36.56 | roler | sour; the delay is exactly 30 seconds too each time. It has got to be a configuration option |
| 15:37.20 | mithi | a stupid question i know |
| 15:37.21 | mithi | ^ |
| 15:37.22 | kern | aurax: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:37.32 | dave | mithi: modconf or vi /etc/modules |
| 15:37.33 | csdgp | roler: might be reverse dns lookup taking a while |
| 15:37.36 | xoz | ma3x: option domain-name-servers ip-address [, ip-address... ]; man dhcp-options |
| 15:37.44 | aurax | i would like to know if its sarge or etch |
| 15:37.47 | BourneAgain | canis: I don't hate em. I work for IBM :) |
| 15:37.48 | roler | csdgp; but exactly 30 each time? |
| 15:37.51 | aurax | my dedicated hosting provider installed me unstable version |
| 15:37.52 | aurax | i just found out |
| 15:37.53 | BourneAgain | Just kidding |
| 15:38.03 | aurax | but i would like to know if its sarge or etch |
| 15:38.09 | aurax | how can i tell |
| 15:38.10 | dave | aurax: that would depend on the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:38.27 | aurax | it says testing/unstable |
| 15:38.28 | mithi | dave: yeah thx ^ maybe i have a senior moment ^ |
| 15:38.30 | abrotman | aurax: sarge is stable .. etch is testing .. sid i sunstable |
| 15:38.33 | abrotman | err is unstable |
| 15:38.34 | solemnwarning | can i get the latest version of clamav from apt? |
| 15:38.37 | petemc | roler: ident - rfc1413_query_timeout = 0s |
| 15:38.43 | abrotman | aurax: look in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:38.48 | aurax | it say's testing |
| 15:38.49 | dave | mithi: what is a "senior moment" ? |
| 15:38.50 | aurax | so its etch |
| 15:38.57 | abrotman | aurax: you have a bad bad hosting company |
| 15:38.59 | aurax | but if the provider installed from old sarge cd? |
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| 15:39.07 | aurax | ja abrotman |
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| 15:39.14 | petemc | roler: exim -bP |grep rfc , will show 30s |
| 15:39.19 | abrotman | aurax: when was the last time they got updates ? |
| 15:39.21 | mithi | when u forget a lot of things ^ |
| 15:39.22 | Whisky_ | gigiani:~# mkswap -L swapX /dev/hda1/ 524288 |
| 15:39.23 | Whisky_ | /dev/hda1/: Not a directory |
| 15:39.24 | aurax | i have no clue |
| 15:39.25 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:39.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:39.35 | Whisky_ | I thought we I had to give the device name? |
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| 15:39.39 | solemnwarning | i cant get any up to date version of clam av can i? |
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| 15:39.52 | BourneAgain | canis: I am a VB.NET developer. I LOVE microsoft :) |
| 15:39.52 | petemc | solemnwarning: i told you already, debian volatile |
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| 15:40.00 | solemnwarning | how do i get that? |
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| 15:40.18 | petemc | solemnwarning: this is where you go off and google rather than sitting waiting to be spoon fed |
| 15:40.20 | abrotman | aurax: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/lock .. what's the date ? |
| 15:40.26 | abrotman | oh wait .. that won't be right |
| 15:40.29 | solemnwarning | ive had to shutdown the mail server because of that exploit |
| 15:40.30 | dendrite | Whisky_: Um, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 15:40.31 | roler | i do believe we have a winner |
| 15:40.33 | roler | petemc; thanks |
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| 15:40.37 | petemc | solemnwarning: what exploit? |
| 15:40.38 | abrotman | aurax: but it would at least be close |
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| 15:40.47 | Whisky_ | dendrite, Create Swap space? |
| 15:40.54 | solemnwarning | the 1 in version of clamav that ARNT UP TO DATE |
| 15:41.04 | dendrite | Whisky_: Because it looks like you are about one typo away from zapping /dev/hda1, which is probably not what you want to do... |
| 15:41.10 | abrotman | aurax: ls -l /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin |
| 15:41.29 | abrotman | aurax: what's the date on that ? |
| 15:41.31 | ma3x | thanks |
| 15:41.39 | petemc | solemnwarning: feel free to package clamav yourself if you're not happy |
| 15:41.43 | Whisky_ | :O |
| 15:41.47 | zpn | I've been trying to run radmin using wine for a while, but i can't get it to work. |
| 15:41.50 | Whisky_ | oops. :s |
| 15:41.51 | zpn | i've tried winex |
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| 15:42.01 | zpn | wine from winehq |
| 15:42.03 | qwertz__ | Hi! When I try to edit the crontab of root and write my edited crontab says: crontab: no changes made to crontab and rejects my changes - has anybody ever experienced this behavior? |
| 15:42.10 | zpn | wine's deb package |
| 15:42.11 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 15:42.19 | dendrite | Whisky_: Do you have a disk partition that you want to use for swap? Or are you trying to set up a file as a swap volume? |
| 15:42.22 | skel | do I have to restart after modifying /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 15:42.24 | aurax | -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 2005-07-28 11:35 /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 15:42.31 | simonrvn | skel: no |
| 15:42.36 | dave | qwertz__: what command do you issue to edit crontab? |
| 15:42.44 | zpn | i'm pretty lost. any ideas? |
| 15:42.44 | Whisky_ | dendrite, I want to setup a file as I dont have any other partitions for swap. |
| 15:42.44 | aurax | abrotman the system was installed 2 weeks ago |
| 15:42.46 | roler | it's so nice and fast! |
| 15:42.48 | roler | woopie!! |
| 15:42.54 | skel | simonrvn: so I should see the changes with ulimit -a upon logging in again? |
| 15:43.04 | abrotman | aurax: then why the hell is it pointing at testing ? .. what a bunch of morons |
| 15:43.07 | csdgp | zpn: what error does it give you? |
| 15:43.17 | simonrvn | should. some daemons might need restarting if they have a setting |
| 15:43.20 | kern | qwertz__ crontab -e |
| 15:43.20 | zpn | won't run in MS-DOS mode. |
| 15:43.25 | zpn | i hvae it set for win98 |
| 15:43.29 | zpn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.34 | zpn | neither worked |
| 15:44.05 | ZWACK | newbie >>>>ZWACK |
| 15:44.10 | dendrite | You need to man mkswap. |
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| 15:44.19 | dendrite | Whisky_: You need to man mkswap. |
| 15:44.27 | csdgp | zpn: what command line are you using to start it? |
| 15:44.31 | skel | simonrvn: ok thanks :) |
| 15:44.32 | qwertz__ | dave, kern I'm using crontab -e ( and my default editor is vim) |
| 15:44.36 | Whisky_ | dendrite, I read it earlier but not the file part though :/ |
| 15:44.38 | zpn | 'wine radmin.exe' |
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| 15:44.47 | aurax | abrotman |
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| 15:44.51 | aurax | even if i run apt-setup |
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| 15:44.57 | mithi | so it's better |
| 15:45.01 | aurax | it points to testing |
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| 15:45.26 | csdgp | zpn: what did you do at the point that it stopped working? |
| 15:45.34 | ZWACK | gnome res settings only go to 800x600 is this normal? |
| 15:45.37 | dendrite | Whisky_: And note the part in the man page about using dd. |
| 15:45.52 | zpn | i checked the debugs and tried to reconfigure it |
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| 15:46.02 | Whisky_ | dendrite, #flood please... |
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| 15:46.16 | mithi | @dave ehm i don't have modconf where can i read the modules with vi editor? |
| 15:46.22 | jarao123 | i get error that says restart gdm when it is configured correctly. How can I reconfigure the monitor res/refresh rate settings? |
| 15:46.36 | valdyn | !drxx jarao123 |
| 15:46.37 | kern | qwertz__ sorry, that's all I know |
| 15:46.37 | dpkg | jarao123: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:46.41 | dave | mithi: /var/lib/modules/{kernel-version} |
| 15:46.50 | ZWACK | i have a VP201B (20.1 lcd monitor) and FX5500 card and the settings for the desktop only go to 800x600 |
| 15:46.51 | dave | mithi: or apt-get install modconf |
| 15:47.03 | valdyn | !drxx ZWACK |
| 15:47.03 | dpkg | ZWACK: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:47.07 | jarao123 | thx |
| 15:47.09 | aurax | abrotman im checking in sources.list : #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
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| 15:47.19 | dendrite | Whisky_: man dd. |
| 15:47.26 | aurax | but the other lines are : deb http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 15:47.27 | aurax | etc |
| 15:47.33 | Whisky_ | :s |
| 15:47.33 | Whisky_ | k. |
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| 15:47.46 | mithi | dave: yeah that's easier :) thx |
| 15:47.52 | dave | welcome |
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| 15:48.42 | affe_ | is something going on w/ unstable's pool? I've been getting 404's after doing an 'apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade' for the last couple of days |
| 15:48.43 | zpn | i've read that you need to use a specific version of wine...i've tried them out, but non of them work. any help would be appreciated |
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| 15:48.58 | qwertz__ | kern, when I use crontab -l > file, edit file and use crontab file it works without problems |
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| 15:49.04 | sanxiyn | affe_: 404? Sounds like a mirror problem? |
| 15:49.12 | csdgp | zpn: I'm not sure -- I would check the config & make sure it's configured for windows mode. Also, you could try forcing windows mode on the command-line (man wine will tell you what you need to type) |
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| 15:49.40 | kern | affe_ me too |
| 15:49.54 | xoz | affe_: nope. change your mirror. |
| 15:49.56 | TTimo | affe_, some debian machines are in transit, the mirrors haven't got any updates for more than a week now |
| 15:50.02 | affe_ | sanxiyn: Yeah, that's what I thought -- I changed my mirror from mirrors.kernel.org straight to http.us.debian.org |
| 15:50.20 | TTimo | they keep saying things will be back up 'any day now', but that can mean anything really |
| 15:50.28 | sanxiyn | affe_: Aren't they the same? |
| 15:50.46 | Malin | hey, can debian with 2.4.27-2-386 kernel handle fat32 partitions? |
| 15:50.56 | sanxiyn | Malin: Yes. |
| 15:51.00 | kern | TTimo: where did you find that info? |
| 15:51.03 | Malin | :/ |
| 15:51.03 | TTimo | any mirrors you'll look on the status page will have a timestamp of July 20th or 21th |
| 15:51.06 | ZWACK | apache2 basics for a noob? |
| 15:51.08 | TTimo | from here a few days ago |
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| 15:51.15 | TTimo | and from looking at the mirror status page |
| 15:51.16 | affe_ | yeah, they are the same (so it's not just a mirror thing) |
| 15:51.16 | Phated | ZWACK: apache.org? |
| 15:51.32 | Malin | thanks sanxiyn |
| 15:51.34 | sanxiyn | ZWACK: You can /join #apache |
| 15:51.38 | affe_ | but what do you mean that they're in transit? that the boxes themselves are being shipped to different physical locations? |
| 15:51.39 | ZWACK | kthx |
| 15:51.44 | TTimo | yeah |
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| 15:51.51 | valdyn | !thx |
| 15:51.51 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 15:51.51 | sanxiyn | affe_: Exactly. |
| 15:51.56 | feross | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.07 | feross | disregard wrong room |
| 15:52.28 | sanxiyn | affe_: My understanding is that unstable stalling was not the intention, but some service on the said machine proved to be critical to Debian infrastructure... |
| 15:52.32 | affe_ | sanxiyn: ah! more than a week now eh? |
| 15:52.43 | simonrvn | s,room,channel, |
| 15:53.00 | abrotman | aurax: it's too late .. you're stuck on testing now |
| 15:53.03 | TTimo | fortunately it doesn't seemed to have left unstable stalled in a majorly broken state |
| 15:53.07 | ZWACK | thanks (instead of thx :) ) |
| 15:53.10 | tucoz | Hi, I am having trouble trying to burn a cd. cdrecord-scanbus don't report the devices |
| 15:53.37 | valdyn | tucoz: cdrecord -dev=/dev/whatever someiso.iso |
| 15:53.45 | affe_ | so is it limited just to unstable? Not testing? |
| 15:53.53 | sanxiyn | TTimo: Yes. Miraculously, currently I have no hold, no whatsoever with unstable! |
| 15:54.13 | sanxiyn | affe_: Testing transition doesn't happen too... |
| 15:54.15 | zpn | i'll try it again, thanx man |
| 15:54.18 | tucoz | valdyn: Yes, but I do not know the device. How do I find this without scanbus? |
| 15:54.22 | TTimo | affe_, I think that affects everything |
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| 15:54.45 | abrotman | aurax: best advice .. switch it to etch instead of testing |
| 15:54.46 | like | is it possible using ksnapshot to capture the mouse cursor also? |
| 15:54.50 | valdyn | tucoz: 'uname -r' first please |
| 15:54.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: bruce banner? |
| 15:54.58 | sanxiyn | affe_: Read http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200507260932 |
| 15:55.17 | affe_ | TTimo: wow -- it's hard to believe that they'd overlook something that would foobar things so badly |
| 15:55.18 | tucoz | 2.6.11-1-386 |
| 15:55.25 | sanxiyn | "However, I have to admit that the impact is larger than I first thought..." |
| 15:55.32 | simonrvn | abrotman: no, just tired of the fucking exhaust pouring into our windows |
| 15:55.38 | sanxiyn | affe_: Read the link I pasted above. |
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| 15:55.50 | affe_ | sanxiyn: I'm checking it right now |
| 15:55.51 | abrotman | simonrvn: agreed .. you'll be selling your car next week then .. right? :) |
| 15:55.54 | tucoz | It reports that there are issues with kernel > 2.5 |
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| 15:55.55 | valdyn | tucoz: 'lsmod | grep scsi' please |
| 15:56.17 | valdyn | tucoz: ignore that report, its bullshit. |
| 15:56.18 | affe_ | my question is why this isn't on the "News" part of debian.org |
| 15:56.25 | ph8 | ok guys |
| 15:56.26 | ph8 | want an enigma?> |
| 15:56.35 | abrotman | no |
| 15:56.37 | simonrvn | abrotman: i don't have one. never even had a learner's permit |
| 15:56.41 | ph8 | No matter what mode i boot from the cd in when trying to install deb, i get a blank screen |
| 15:56.43 | tucoz | valdyn: scsi_mod 126280 6 sd_mod,sata_promise,libata,sr_mod,sbp2,usb_storage |
| 15:56.46 | ph8 | it happened with ubuntu as well |
| 15:56.48 | abrotman | simonrvn: ewww .. you shuld at least know how to drive |
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| 15:56.59 | abrotman | ph8: you tried 2.6 and 2.4 kernels ? |
| 15:57.10 | kern | sanxiyn: thanks |
| 15:57.10 | abrotman | ph8: and the vga=xxx options ? |
| 15:57.14 | simonrvn | i know how to ride a bike. that's good enough for me =) |
| 15:57.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: freddie mercury? |
| 15:57.26 | ph8 | i'm just trying 2.6 |
| 15:57.28 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 15:57.38 | abrotman | maybe try 2.4 ? |
| 15:57.39 | valdyn | tucoz: cd /proc/ide/ && ls |
| 15:57.43 | abrotman | maybe try the vga=xxx stuff |
| 15:57.56 | simonrvn | hey, freddie mercury was a good singer |
| 15:58.00 | ph8 | same effect with the 2.6 |
| 15:58.03 | ph8 | (As the 2.4) |
| 15:58.06 | stew | doesn't d-i just use vga=normal |
| 15:58.10 | asg | simonrvn: mama mia, mama mia |
| 15:58.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:58.15 | abrotman | ph8: laptop ? |
| 15:58.17 | sanxiyn | (Debian installer < beta 2 had problems without vga tweak on my machine, for example.) |
| 15:58.18 | tucoz | valdyn: drivers hda ide0 |
| 15:58.20 | simonrvn | asg: :D |
| 15:58.29 | ph8 | yes |
| 15:58.34 | ph8 | what's the vga syntax look like? |
| 15:58.37 | ph8 | linux vga=? |
| 15:58.43 | abrotman | ph8: did you read any of the other screens? .. like the one that says vga=771 ? |
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| 15:58.52 | aurax | abrotman wouldnt it be best to reinstall the os as sarge stable ? |
| 15:58.52 | ph8 | what other screens? ;) |
| 15:58.54 | abrotman | ph8: try hitting f4 when it boots |
| 15:59.01 | sanxiyn | ph8: Try some function keys. |
| 15:59.01 | valdyn | tucoz: oh, 'modprobe ide-cd' |
| 15:59.03 | abrotman | aurax: yes .. if you can get that done |
| 15:59.09 | aurax | aight |
| 15:59.12 | abrotman | ph8: the ... *help* screens |
| 15:59.13 | simonrvn | he was a professionally trained singer |
| 15:59.16 | mithi | Do anyone know where i can configure the agppart module? i can't find that in modconf :/ |
| 15:59.21 | ph8 | oo |
| 15:59.22 | ph8 | :p |
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| 15:59.32 | tucoz | valdyn: ok, done |
| 15:59.42 | valdyn | tucoz: ls again |
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| 15:59.51 | sanxiyn | mithi: It's spelled agpgart, not agppart. |
| 16:00.00 | tucoz | drivers hda ide0 |
| 16:00.01 | abrotman | mithi: it's like .. char/agpgart .. or something |
| 16:00.16 | valdyn | tucoz: hda is your harddisk isnt it? |
| 16:00.18 | sanxiyn | char/agp/agpgart, indeed. |
| 16:00.19 | abrotman | drivers/char/agp/agpgart |
| 16:00.22 | roler | I need help quick with exim4. I can send/receive email from our windows boxes using the debian exim4 server is the incoming/outgoing server. But I cannot send emails to any other outside internet host, it says 550 relaying denied. |
| 16:00.22 | mithi | sanxiyn: a little fault ;), thx |
| 16:00.29 | mithi | abrotman: ok i try it thx |
| 16:00.48 | sanxiyn | roler: Eh, perhaps that means relaying is denied. |
| 16:00.49 | PerfDave | roler: You mean that you can send e-mail from machines on your LAN, but not from machines on the Internet? |
| 16:00.51 | simonrvn | roler: um, and? |
| 16:01.04 | tucoz | valdyn: I am not sure :). I just installed debian (used to suse) on my laptop yesterday. It's a sata-controlled harddisk. |
| 16:01.09 | simonrvn | there's nothing you can do about that |
| 16:01.10 | Belping-- | someone willing to help a noob getting x to run? |
| 16:01.12 | mithi | yeah :) |
| 16:01.18 | valdyn | tucoz: cat hda/model |
| 16:01.18 | somiaj | roler: does your isp allow for you to send mail directlly from your debian box, or do you need to set it up to relay the mail though your isp's mail server? |
| 16:01.21 | PerfDave | Belping--: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 16:01.47 | Belping-- | PerfDave: ok thanks! |
| 16:01.54 | tucoz | valdyn: hehe, that is the cd-writer :D |
| 16:01.57 | roler | I set it up so my box can be a relay server itself for our company |
| 16:02.01 | roler | thats how I want it |
| 16:02.04 | ph8 | good call guys |
| 16:02.17 | ph8 | anyone know the diff between en_gb utf/iso/plain? |
| 16:02.20 | tucoz | valdyn:_NEC DVD+/-RW ND-6500A |
| 16:02.28 | valdyn | tucoz: alright -> 'cdrecord -dev=/dev/hda some.iso' |
| 16:02.33 | sanxiyn | ph8: Doesn't matter much, I think. |
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| 16:02.53 | sml | oh great someone's DDoS'ing the upstream gateway of a co-location box of mine :'( |
| 16:02.53 | tucoz | valdyn: excellent. Thank you ever so much. Nice to get to know the tricks, |
| 16:02.58 | petemc | roler: you have an internal lan using private ip addresses? just tell exim to allow that range |
| 16:03.00 | simonrvn | roler: and that doesn't mean remote hosts will allow relaying from your MTAs |
| 16:03.01 | PerfDave | roler: What problem are you having then, exactly? |
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| 16:03.52 | sml | What can one do in the event of an attack on that kind of scale. Surely you can't make the traffic just simply dissappear.. do you need to follow the source back to the largest pipe and instruct the admin of that pipe to filter the traffic , or route it to nowhere ? |
| 16:03.53 | MasterYoda | my system is doing strange things, after using it for a few days firefox stops starting, and 'ps x' hangs |
| 16:03.55 | simonrvn | it's a non-issue from someone who doesn't understand local/remote and that plain simple fact properly configured MTAs won't allow relaying from just anyone |
| 16:03.57 | MasterYoda | a reboot fixes this |
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| 16:04.03 | MasterYoda | it seems like some kind of network issue |
| 16:04.11 | MasterYoda | host name look up or something |
| 16:04.14 | MasterYoda | any ideas? |
| 16:04.26 | sanxiyn | MasterYoda: Strange indeed. |
| 16:04.42 | PerfDave | sml: Generally, just report it to your hosting company, let them deal with it. They should have contacts for the people with whom they peer routing. |
| 16:05.10 | sml | PerfDave: Well they say they are working on it.. but cant give me an ETA. my 100mbit box just dropped off the fucking net :( |
| 16:05.23 | simonrvn | ouchie |
| 16:05.41 | PerfDave | sml: These things do take time. Generally they're sorted out by phoning people, which means getting people out of bed at 4am ;) |
| 16:05.45 | sml | PerfDave: fortunately because its the upstream gatway being hit, its affected many of their clients. |
| 16:05.58 | sml | PerfDave: this is TeleHouse in the UK. this is going to affect a large part of the uk net. |
| 16:06.13 | Belping-- | PerfDave: i got it to work, thanks a lot man!! |
| 16:06.19 | PerfDave | sml: *nods* I'd expect Telehouse to know how to deal with this though ;) |
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| 16:06.24 | PerfDave | Belping--: Good good :) |
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| 16:06.47 | sml | PerfDave: They said they were trying to blackhole the traffic. |
| 16:06.54 | Belping-- | PerfDave: my mouse was set up on a wrong port, didn't know that would keep x from booting |
| 16:07.04 | sml | PerfDave: What does that mean? |
| 16:07.06 | cadu | why all that noise on x.org <-> xfree switch ? |
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| 16:07.15 | cadu | i'm still very happy with xfree :) |
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| 16:07.30 | PerfDave | sml: That means just dropping it, not routing it at all. If they can blackhole it near its source, then it should minimise its affect. |
| 16:07.34 | PerfDave | effect even. Gah. |
| 16:07.49 | dave | cadu: licensing issue. current xorg is a fork of xfree |
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| 16:07.57 | simonrvn | sml: means that they're setting up some null routes and sending traffic from that (set of) host(s) to through those routes |
| 16:08.16 | stew | cadu: just /ignore -regex x\.?org and continue to be content :) |
| 16:08.16 | sml | simonrvn: Ok cool. Well fingers crossed. |
| 16:08.20 | simonrvn | bad grammar alaert |
| 16:08.26 | simonrvn | bad typing alert |
| 16:08.30 | simonrvn | @lart me |
| 16:08.34 | Phated | Heh. |
| 16:08.38 | simonrvn | ow. |
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| 16:08.48 | sml | simonrvn: is a null route, just one to 127.0.0.1 or.. ? |
| 16:08.55 | StuckMojo | does x.org require xfs? |
| 16:09.00 | roler | the smtp server is remote from our office. I want to allow our office dsl IP to be able to relay through the exim4 server I just set up |
| 16:09.23 | sanxiyn | http://bugs.debian.org/301511 (Something bad. Fortunately already fixed.) |
| 16:09.25 | simonrvn | sml: well, i'm calling it a null route, but there's diff4erent ways of doing this. there's a recent RFC on one of the techniques |
| 16:09.44 | simonrvn | StuckMojo: no. nor did/does xfree86 |
| 16:09.50 | StuckMojo | nevermind, it works again |
| 16:09.52 | cadu | dave, stew : but actually is xorg better for a fast computer than xfree? (i have a athlon xp 2.6 with 512mb ram and a Geforcefx5200) ...someone said i could get better performance on Doom3 using X.org ... i'm getting a lot less frames than on the windows doom3 :'( |
| 16:09.56 | StuckMojo | had to install x-window-system-core |
| 16:10.09 | sanxiyn | "Every seven or eight days, I couldn't login through ssh, or even through serial consoles. A reboot solves all the problem, but there was nothing in the log files for me to investigate..." |
| 16:10.09 | vixfiles | hello, any estimate time to the end of c/c++ abi transition? |
| 16:10.12 | StuckMojo | something was missing causing x.org to not be able to find "fixed" font |
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| 16:10.23 | roler | I have this in my update-exim4.conf.conf dc_relay_domains='209.11.240.163:71.108.135.34' |
| 16:10.25 | TTimo | vixfiles, afaik it's done |
| 16:10.34 | dave | cadu: at this point, they are nearly identical, since one is a fork of the other. |
| 16:10.36 | StuckMojo | simonrvn that's what i thought, but it couldnt' find the default font, and x-window-system wanted to install xfs |
| 16:10.40 | StuckMojo | simonrvn thx |
| 16:10.44 | stew | cadu: i wouldn't know. even if i was running xorg, i don't know how i would know |
| 16:10.50 | simonrvn | probably wanted xfonts-base |
| 16:10.55 | cadu | dave: ok thanks |
| 16:11.01 | StuckMojo | simonrvn had that |
| 16:11.01 | sanxiyn | cadu: The motivation was the licensing, and Debian was actually the first to declare switch from XFree86. |
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| 16:11.10 | StuckMojo | simonrvn er..i had that |
| 16:11.12 | sml | simonrvn: Cool. I'm just curious because usually when I get DDoS attacks I dont have the bandwidth to filter it out, bin it, coz I'm on ADSL so I ususually phone up my ISP and get them to filter it for me (which they usually do, which is nice of them). I'm thinkig that if telehouse have a problemm on this scale (it took out my 100mbit box and many many others) then they're going to have to speak to THEIR provider or someone with more bandwidth than even they have, |
| 16:11.14 | cadu | sanxiyn: but was the last doing it :'( |
| 16:11.21 | sml | simonrvn: and im hoping of going home soon! |
| 16:11.22 | mithi | when i install modules with modconf, they aren't compiled into the kernel, are they? |
| 16:11.25 | StuckMojo | simonrvn apparently it converted over some configs or something |
| 16:11.26 | dave | sanxiyhn: and one of the last to actually implement the change... |
| 16:11.26 | cadu | can i get x.org on my testing install ? |
| 16:11.33 | sanxiyn | cadu: No. |
| 16:11.39 | cadu | sanxiyn: not even a small chance? |
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| 16:11.48 | sanxiyn | cadu: Well, it's not in testing, yet. |
| 16:11.58 | roler | oh boy ... |
| 16:12.06 | cadu | will i hose my system switching to unstable just to instal xorg ? (*grins*) |
| 16:12.09 | simonrvn | sml: yes. i'm having to do that too when i get DDoSed. i do the same, as well. must be a rather large DDoS... |
| 16:12.11 | grigora | I have emacs configured to read Unicode documents, however I think I am missing some fonts because when I open the doc, I get question marks, does anyone know which package provides cyrillic fonts? thanks |
| 16:12.16 | ph8 | erm |
| 16:12.18 | stew | cadu: hech you can get it in sarge, but it woudlnt' be supported here |
| 16:12.19 | sml | simonrvn: you got a reference number for that RFC ? |
| 16:12.25 | simonrvn | StuckMojo: xfree86 -> xorg? yup |
| 16:12.31 | ph8 | i have a windows partition already which i've just resized with the installer, should the new debian partition be primary or logical? |
| 16:12.43 | sanxiyn | ph8: Doesn't matter. |
| 16:12.45 | simonrvn | sml: google 'rfc bgp null route' |
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| 16:12.54 | ph8 | what's the difference? |
| 16:12.56 | sml | simonrvn: Well nothing i can do about the attack I'm just a leaf-node my box isn't even seeing the traffic from the attack its just affecting my default gw |
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| 16:13.02 | PerfDave | cadu: If you have to ask about running unstable, you shouldn't. |
| 16:13.03 | dave | grigora: xfonts-cyrillic |
| 16:13.08 | roler | so can anyone tell me how to make exim4 allow a certain IP for relaying? I am so in trouble at the moment |
| 16:13.15 | simonrvn | sml: sorry, don't remember the exact number. it's in one of my bookmarks files ... |
| 16:13.16 | sml | simonrvn: cool, i'll go read whilst they work their magic |
| 16:13.17 | StuckMojo | ok, im out. thx simonrvn! (even though you didn't do anything ;) |
| 16:13.17 | PerfDave | roler: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 16:13.35 | simonrvn | TTimo: 'sok |
| 16:13.40 | simonrvn | TTimo: sorry |
| 16:13.48 | vixfiles | TTimo, what means "afaik"? |
| 16:13.54 | stew | !afaik |
| 16:13.54 | dpkg | it has been said that afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
| 16:13.55 | sanxiyn | As Far As I Know. |
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| 16:14.03 | detwolf | good day all. |
| 16:14.06 | cadu | PerfDave: things break ;'( |
| 16:14.08 | aacosta | hi |
| 16:14.09 | TTimo | !imnkatf |
| 16:14.09 | dpkg | hmm... imnkatf is I May Not Know All That Far |
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| 16:14.17 | vixfiles | :) |
| 16:14.18 | PerfDave | cadu: Yes, that's why it's called "unstable" |
| 16:14.20 | TTimo | gee |
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| 16:14.45 | cadu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.50 | roler | PerfDave; Please enter here the domains for which you accept to relay the mail. |
| 16:15.03 | roler | PerfDave; on this screen I put in two IPs |
| 16:15.03 | detwolf | relative newb, working on Alpha UDB-Multia..anyone avail to answer a few "installer" questions? |
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| 16:15.06 | PerfDave | cadu: Unstable is that unstable. |
| 16:15.13 | aacosta | how can I apt-get the header file ndbm.h?. I need this file to install the Apache source |
| 16:15.32 | PerfDave | !wayc aacosta |
| 16:15.33 | dpkg | aacosta: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 16:15.41 | simonrvn | roler: networks (IP_address/netmask, same for IPv6, but you need to double the colons [:]) also work |
| 16:15.47 | sanxiyn | cadu: I don't think "just" getting x.org would cause any problem, but YMMV. |
| 16:15.59 | roler | I GOT IT |
| 16:16.02 | stew | cadu: you woudn't be able, to for instance use gaim |
| 16:16.04 | roler | i put them in the dang wrong screen |
| 16:16.04 | stew | cadu: or darcs |
| 16:16.05 | roler | sob |
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| 16:16.13 | PerfDave | sanxiyn: Installing xorg from unstable on etch would break a lot of stuff, I expect. |
| 16:16.16 | simonrvn | heh |
| 16:16.25 | aacosta | PerfDave, the apache that I'm running has a very specific compilation, that's way |
| 16:16.32 | cadu | stew: serious? why? |
| 16:16.36 | cadu | stew: gaim won't run on x.org ? |
| 16:16.42 | aacosta | PerfDave, now I need a new auth module |
| 16:16.43 | ph8 | What's the difference between linux and linux-image in my kernel options? |
| 16:16.44 | stew | cadu: no, gaim is broken in unstable |
| 16:16.48 | ph8 | And how l33t is the 2.6 kernel these days? |
| 16:16.50 | PerfDave | aacosta: Read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages. |
| 16:16.50 | sanxiyn | cadu: Unrelated unstable breakage. FWIW, I run Gaim fine on unstable. |
| 16:16.55 | sanxiyn | stew: No. |
| 16:16.59 | cadu | sanxiyn: okz |
| 16:17.09 | PerfDave | cadu: Basically, DON'T RUN UNSTABLE |
| 16:17.10 | simonrvn | @l33t |
| 16:17.10 | ravenbird | from memory, l33t is emmett, or core, or jeramy. Ben Herrenschmidt, or lordknow1 or Nero. Pi, or a categorization reserved for lame script kiddies |
| 16:17.13 | stew | oh i might be wrong, at least it was broken... |
| 16:17.15 | sanxiyn | ph8: It's pretty common, nothing l33t. |
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| 16:17.32 | cadu | Ben Herrenschmidt ahhaahah |
| 16:17.44 | sanxiyn | stew: darcs broke? |
| 16:17.46 | cadu | @benh |
| 16:17.46 | ravenbird | benh maintains a powerpc kernel rsync tree, see http://penguinppc.org/~benh/, or see factoid 'ppc rsync' |
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| 16:17.50 | simonrvn | one of the ppc kernel hackers, heh |
| 16:17.54 | cadu | y know ;) |
| 16:17.57 | cadu | s/y/i |
| 16:18.00 | simonrvn | oh boy, gotta edit that |
| 16:18.02 | sanxiyn | stew: darcs works fine here... |
| 16:18.07 | aacosta | PerfDave, I have a read a couple of docs but I don't know how to know shich package contains ndbm.h |
| 16:18.25 | einsteinmg | aacosta: dpkg -S <file>, or apt-file search |
| 16:18.44 | roler | thanks |
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| 16:18.53 | einsteinmg | the first if searches only installed packages, the second all packages ;) |
| 16:18.54 | einsteinmg | np |
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| 16:19.09 | sanxiyn | stew: (Yes, I have libgmp3 on hold.) |
| 16:19.12 | PerfDave | aacosta: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:19.14 | stew | aha! :) |
| 16:19.24 | ma3x | in KDE there is Desktop Sharing |
| 16:19.26 | simonrvn | @benh |
| 16:19.27 | ravenbird | he's one of the PowerPC kernel hackers. All their stuff is now in mainline (AKA vanilla, AKA kernel.org) kernel code. |
| 16:19.40 | ma3x | I've configured it , and now when i connect via WEB it says RFC 003.003 |
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| 16:19.48 | ma3x | what's wrong? |
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| 16:19.53 | simonrvn | even for 2.4, fyi |
| 16:19.56 | ma3x | should i install something additionally ? |
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| 16:20.01 | stew | sanxiyn: i was just trying to give some concrete examples of current breakage to discourage him from moving to unstable just to get xorg when he's already said he's perfectly happy with xfree |
| 16:20.10 | ma3x | don't i connect via web:port ?| |
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| 16:20.19 | aacosta | PerfDave, apt-file search ndbm.h did not bring anything |
| 16:20.22 | sanxiyn | stew: Okay. |
| 16:20.24 | ph8 | when i select linux-image-2.6 for my kernel choice initrd errors |
| 16:20.26 | simonrvn | ma3x: again, what's the context? |
| 16:20.33 | ma3x | simonrvn rdp! |
| 16:20.36 | ph8 | can i install 2.4 and upgrade to 2.6 once it's online? |
| 16:20.39 | sanxiyn | stew: I actually held libgmp3 to save kaffe, not darcs, but anyway... |
| 16:20.44 | ma3x | Desktop Sharing |
| 16:20.50 | ma3x | is that not like remote desktop? |
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| 16:21.44 | PerfDave | aacosta: Check on packages.debian.org |
| 16:21.44 | sanxiyn | RDP is great, IMO. |
| 16:21.45 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me what the shell command is to know what services are running on which port? |
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| 16:21.45 | ma3x | sanxiyn how do u connect? |
| 16:21.45 | simonrvn | be nice if it was encrypted traffic ... |
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| 16:21.45 | sanxiyn | ma3x: With rdesktop? |
| 16:21.46 | sanxiyn | !info rdesktop |
| 16:21.47 | TTimo | netstat -nptl will show you listening TCP sockets |
| 16:21.52 | PerfDave | Belping--: netstat -nlp |
| 16:21.52 | dpkg | rdesktop: (RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 96 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
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| 16:22.00 | simonrvn | Belping--: netstat. netsta -plaunt |
| 16:22.00 | Belping-- | thanks PerfDave and TTimo |
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| 16:22.01 | nse | Hello everybody, my Gnome desktop has gone weird. the wallpaper disappeared, all my icons disappeared, the mouse is no longer working in the desktop except in the panel, what has caused all that!? |
| 16:22.01 | kern | Belping-- man netstat |
| 16:22.05 | simonrvn | er, netstat* |
| 16:22.12 | ma3x | sanxiyn : can you connect via web? |
| 16:22.25 | ma3x | like if i go to some other place that has no debian |
| 16:22.28 | ma3x | but web access |
| 16:22.29 | ph8 | initrd errors every time i try to install a kernel |
| 16:22.32 | ma3x | can't i access it via web? |
| 16:22.33 | sanxiyn | ma3x: You need applet or similar to do that. |
| 16:22.42 | nse | I've tried apt-get install --reinstall gnome, but it doesn't work |
| 16:22.47 | stew | ph8: we could help better if you told us the actual error |
| 16:22.47 | ma3x | sanxiyn : yeah but when i connect to the web it won't pop up for applet |
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| 16:23.06 | dunstabulos | netstat -ano | grep portnumber |
| 16:23.12 | sanxiyn | ma3x: I am a happy user of http://wiredx.net/ , but there's other services, or you may have your own. |
| 16:23.12 | ma3x | sanxiyn how do i get the applet? |
| 16:23.15 | grigora | dave: thanks, but what if I don't have X installed? I am opening emacs after logging in through ssh |
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| 16:23.31 | sanxiyn | Okay, wiredx.net is non-free and evil. Whatever. |
| 16:23.32 | dabaR | is there a way to have rhytnmbox display only in the notification area of the gnome panel, and not in the bottom panel as well? |
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| 16:23.58 | sanxiyn | ma3x: I think MS provides RDP web interface too. Forgot the details. |
| 16:24.09 | stew | grigora: you are running ssh from a text console? |
| 16:24.30 | dabaR | called the window list, that is teh bottom, I dont want it shown there, only in the notification area, like gaim, when you minimize it it goes only there. |
| 16:24.38 | sanxiyn | grigora: You want cyrillic font on console? |
| 16:24.40 | ph8 | stew: I don't know it, when i choose a kernel on the 'install base system' option it says there was an initrd error and to check /var/log/messages |
| 16:24.47 | ph8 | which of course i can't get to since i'm installing the os! |
| 16:24.50 | suman | someone did apt-get remove kde sometime back .... but at that point it failed, now i am unable to install new packages as kde will be removed...how can i unmark the packages? |
| 16:25.15 | stew | ph8: hit alt-f2 to get to a console |
| 16:25.16 | detwolf | Has anyone here attempted to install Sarge onto an Alpha Multia? I can install ANY version (subversion) of Woody, but Sarge hangs |
| 16:25.19 | sanxiyn | grigora: You may want to try console-cyrillic. |
| 16:25.39 | grigora | stew: yes, from xterm |
| 16:25.44 | ph8 | oo |
| 16:25.47 | ph8 | it said check console 3 |
| 16:25.50 | grigora | sanxiyn: thanks, I'll give it a shot |
| 16:25.50 | sanxiyn | grigora: Ah, xterm? Should work with X font. |
| 16:25.55 | sanxiyn | grigora: Oh, no. |
| 16:26.06 | stew | grigora: then you need to install fonts on your local machine, not the remote machine, so you want xfonts-cyrillic or some such |
| 16:26.21 | sanxiyn | grigora: Get xfonts-cyrillic on client side. |
| 16:26.24 | ph8 | it's a dpkg problem |
| 16:26.35 | sanxiyn | Eh, server side. Whatever. Confusing X terminology. |
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| 16:28.09 | fas3r | hi all |
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| 16:28.36 | fas3r | do you know what the port use by steam.... for iptables... |
| 16:29.05 | dos000 | anyone explain why when i do netstat -plate i get "tcp 0 0 192.168.0.105:32846 72.14.207.104:www TIME_WAIT root 0 -" i dont remember connecting to google as root |
| 16:29.32 | ph8 | stew: how do i get back to the installer? |
| 16:29.40 | grigora | stew: sanxiyn: well, I have those already installed on the client machine, cause when I copy the file over, and open emacs, I can see the correct letters, most of them at least |
| 16:29.42 | stew | ph8: alt-f1 |
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| 16:30.11 | ph8 | ok so it's a dpkg problem, it's getting errors |
| 16:30.14 | ph8 | anyway around that? |
| 16:30.24 | stew | ph8: we could help better if you told us the actual error |
| 16:30.37 | ph8 | errors were encountered while processing: postfix/at/mailx/mutt/postfix-tls/unbuntu-base |
| 16:30.42 | ph8 | /bin/dpkg error |
| 16:30.47 | sanxiyn | grigora: Hm... |
| 16:31.17 | stew | ph8: ubuntu? wtf, wrong channel, /join #ubuntu |
| 16:31.22 | ph8 | it's a debian base |
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| 16:31.26 | ph8 | and they're not being very helpful |
| 16:31.30 | sanxiyn | !ubuntusmite ph8 |
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| 16:31.33 | stew | !they don't know |
| 16:31.34 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 16:42.17 | ph8 | it's a debian question :) |
| 16:42.17 | mithi | hmm, I have to set CONFIG_FB_VESA and CONFIG_FB_RADEON and CONFIG_TMPFS.... could anyone help? :/ |
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| 16:42.17 | stew | ph8: why would we help with a broken ubuntu package? |
| 16:42.17 | asg | ph8: then look at the pre/post inst/rm files and fix the problem. |
| 16:42.17 | PerfDave | ph8: Ubuntu is not Debian. It's based on Debian, but it's not Debian. Their installer is configured differently from Debian's. You've just been wasting people's time coming here with your Ubuntu problem. Go. |
| 16:42.17 | ph8 | i may just install debian like i was going to originally |
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| 16:42.17 | ph8 | Some bright spark said 'hey! try this!' |
| 16:42.18 | ph8 | :p |
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| 16:42.18 | asg | sanxiyn: then you help him |
| 16:42.18 | detwolf | ok, simpler question, after no takers... |
| 16:42.18 | sanxiyn | Me lazy. |
| 16:42.18 | pngwn | heh |
| 16:42.18 | mithi | ^^ |
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| 16:42.18 | detwolf | is it possible to start the debian installer even if you didn't boot off of a debian cd? |
| 16:42.18 | black13 | I am getting "User account has expired" |
| 16:42.18 | sanxiyn | detwolf: Yes. Explained in the manual. |
| 16:42.18 | detwolf | I have a pseudo woody install, but would like a clean Sarge install |
| 16:42.18 | black13 | when i try to login as root |
| 16:42.18 | PerfDave | detwolf: Have you read the Debian Installation Manual for ways to launch the installer? |
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| 16:42.18 | asg | black13: then you'll need to fix things. man usermod and /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 16:42.18 | detwolf | yeah, I have manual up currently me=stupid new person |
| 16:42.19 | detwolf | will continue reading |
| 16:42.19 | detwolf | please excuse |
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| 16:42.19 | cadu | zulema: oooon tá tristinha |
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| 16:42.19 | cadu | :-) |
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| 16:42.19 | zulema | cadu: :-D |
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| 16:42.20 | grigora | sanxiyn: stew: I installed console-cyrillic, but still no go |
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| 16:42.20 | black13 | asg i am thinkg that the problem stems from pam.d/login file settings |
| 16:42.20 | stew | grigora: you need to change what font your xterm is using |
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| 16:42.21 | Schiz0 | is there a package for the flash plugin on mozilla? |
| 16:42.21 | black13 | asg how does account expire? |
| 16:42.21 | asg | black13: probably from usermod expiry settings in /etc/shadow |
| 16:42.21 | Schiz0 | nevemrind, I found it |
| 16:42.21 | ercin | does sarge's grub have support for LVM? |
| 16:42.21 | PerfDave | Schiz0: flashplayer-nonfree bit it's non-free. |
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| 16:42.21 | E0x | hello |
| 16:42.21 | fas3r | anybody play counter strike? |
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| 16:42.21 | black13 | asg ok i do some research thanks for the pointer |
| 16:42.21 | Schiz0 | What do they mean by non-free anyway? Like you can't get the source and modify it or whatever? |
| 16:42.21 | sanxiyn | Schiz0: Yes. |
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| 16:42.22 | cadu | Schiz0phrenic : unfortunately, yes |
| 16:42.22 | Jason_ | hello world |
| 16:42.22 | sanxiyn | 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 |
| 16:42.22 | lars^ | hello root |
| 16:42.24 | grigora | stew: thanks, I will see if I can figure out how to do that |
| 16:42.24 | kern | Schiz0: apt-cache search |
| 16:42.24 | mithi | hmm, I have to set CONFIG_FB_VESA and CONFIG_FB_RADEON and CONFIG_TMPFS.... could anyone help? :/ I'm not good enough with lynx, so i can't find it in the internet :/ |
| 16:42.24 | sanxiyn | grigora: I think you need to set some Xresources? xterm manpage? |
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| 16:42.24 | stew | grigora: i control that with .Xdefaults, "man xrdb" and "man 7x X" and read about RESOURCES |
| 16:42.24 | skel | I've modified /etc/security/limits.conf to add the nofile limit I want, and i've ensured that /etc/pam.d/sshd and login have pam_limits specified and I've gone as far as restarting the server and the ulimit -aH still shows open files as 1024 |
| 16:42.24 | skel | any advice? |
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| 16:42.24 | dos000 | anyone if netstat reveals that my machine is connecting to google as root (while i never do it myself) does that mean its hosed ? |
| 16:42.25 | E0x | i have a netgear pcmcia card in sarge using tulip module , i can make ping another host in the lan in the box with netgear card but i can't make ping to the box with the netgear pcmcia card , and i can't make ping outside of the network ( to internet ) front the box with the netgear card |
| 16:42.25 | Slippy | mithi: that's something you enable in your kernel |
| 16:42.25 | E0x | any idea ? |
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| 16:42.25 | mithi | Slippy: ye i Know but i can't find it |
| 16:42.25 | nse | Hello everybody, my Gnome desktop has gone weird. the wallpaper disappeared, all my icons disappeared, the mouse is no longer working in the desktop except in the panel, what has caused all that!? |
| 16:42.25 | nse | I've tried apt-get install --reinstall gnome, but it doesn't work |
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| 16:42.26 | CruX_ | 18:40 <@djG> CruX: opera just uses a ie core, modified to work on multiple os'es |
| 16:42.26 | CruX_ | is that true ? |
| 16:42.26 | skel | nse: try and move your .gnome to a backup and startup again |
| 16:42.26 | sanxiyn | CruX_: No, absolutely not. |
| 16:42.26 | Slippy | mithi: it's under device drivers -> and graphics support if I remember correctly |
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| 16:42.30 | Jason_ | i installed a lamp system on a debian server in a network of winxp computers. people can see my web content from the wordl wide web, but the problem is that users on the local workgroup cannot see the web content. |
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| 16:42.42 | sanxiyn | CruX_: If opera used IE engine, there'd be no reason to check window.opera in JS... |
| 16:42.51 | black13 | asg ok /etc/shadow contains quite a bit of time info ... ok i didnt know that, how you set shadow to have the account to never expire? |
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| 16:43.17 | ixion | I've tried everything to get my ACX111 based wifi card to work with no luck, could someon tell me what ndis wrapper is? |
| 16:43.19 | sanxiyn | Opera does have its share of quirks, although quite compliant. |
| 16:43.19 | xinel | hey guys i have the weirdest problem and ive been reading the ubuntuforums for hours, when i boot into gnome there is two desktops one above the other. I find that changing the resolution fixes it but the resolution will not stay. Ive made the res i want the only one in xorg.conf and even set it in panel any ideas? |
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| 16:43.39 | sanxiyn | xinel: /join #ubuntu |
| 16:43.42 | grigora | sanxiyn: stew: thanks, I'll give it a shot |
| 16:43.45 | xinel | am |
| 16:43.48 | Ronin | wrong channel xinel |
| 16:43.51 | xinel | they are no help |
| 16:43.54 | nse | skel: what do you mean, to reinstall gnome, then backup my .gnome, restart x and then past the backup to the normal place? |
| 16:44.08 | streuner_ | !they don't know |
| 16:44.09 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 16:44.09 | xinel | and chatting amungst themselves on how good it is |
| 16:44.26 | xinel | dpkg i have |
| 16:44.29 | xinel | nice answer |
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| 16:44.42 | tag | when is the gaim package going to be fixed? |
| 16:44.52 | skel | nse: I'll bet something in your .gnome in your ~ is screwed up. move it to like .gnome-bak or something as well as all the .gstreamer and .gconf stuff |
| 16:44.54 | sanxiyn | nse: No, just mv your .gnome* directories away, and restart X session. |
| 16:45.02 | mithi | Slippy: I found it now under grachic drivers not char driver but i can't find TMPFS |
| 16:45.14 | black13 | asg it has a field "Days after which password must be changed" would i put 0 or some fantastically large value |
| 16:45.31 | LSorensen | black13: what does the man page for passwd say? |
| 16:45.38 | sanxiyn | nse: If it works, good, but you may need to configure your desktop all again... :( |
| 16:45.57 | black13 | LSorensen well im looking at it and im trying to decipher what it says |
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| 16:46.50 | sanxiyn | Rarely I did envy Windows .reg file. |
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| 16:46.52 | LSorensen | black13: hmm, it seems to say nothing. is blank an option? -1? |
| 16:46.53 | solemnwarning | is there a way to make apt install somthing and not download dependencies? |
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| 16:46.58 | Slippy | mithi: that would be under file systems -> pseudo filesystems |
| 16:46.58 | solemnwarning | i need clamsmtp |
| 16:47.07 | solemnwarning | but it wants to dl clamav |
| 16:47.08 | LSorensen | black13: I only make accounts using adduser which doens't ask. |
| 16:47.15 | solemnwarning | and i have clamav installed from source |
| 16:47.27 | stew | solemnwarning: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 16:47.55 | sanxiyn | solemnwarning: You can force things, but working around Debian dependency is probably a better idea. See equivs. |
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| 16:48.26 | jeffro | hey there, remember me from the joystick problem? |
| 16:48.33 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: Why not use Debian's clamav package? |
| 16:48.38 | black13 | LSorensen i am going to hit google |
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| 16:48.39 | sanxiyn | Oh, this is cool: http://mochikit.com/ |
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| 16:49.30 | jeffro | i couldnt get my serial port joystick to work before |
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| 16:49.44 | jeffro | everything what has been said didnt work |
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| 16:49.52 | solemnwarning | PerfDave: because its old |
| 16:49.59 | solemnwarning | and has a big exploit |
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| 16:50.40 | jeffro | then, i did my homework :P i fully read the manual 7 times and just now i figured out that i had to make ttyS0 before and inputattach it |
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| 16:50.57 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: Which version are you talking about? What makes you think that it has an exploit? |
| 16:51.00 | jeffro | i've been busy for 4 hours but i got the joystick working |
| 16:53.29 | solemnwarning | several articles? |
| 16:53.29 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 16:53.29 | Atula | I created a folder as root... I later changed owner to a user with chown command, however, I still can't make it so that all files/folder inherits the same permission and owner... meaning I have to become a root to be able to creat files in that folder which is suppose to be own by the user... |
| 16:53.29 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: Which articles? |
| 16:53.29 | Eclipser | my touchpad is losing sync every once in a while |
| 16:53.29 | Randall64 | Anyone happen to know where to get a statically compiled dpkg? |
| 16:53.29 | Atula | how do I make it right? |
| 16:53.29 | solemnwarning | http://www.osvdb.org/displayvuln.php?osvdb_id=18259 |
| 16:53.29 | Eclipser | then I'll get 4~6second pause in everything :< |
| 16:53.29 | LilAero | chown user:group * -R |
| 16:53.29 | solemnwarning | i need latest version to fix |
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| 16:53.29 | nse | No, it didn't work, the startx created another .gnome and .gnome2 folders, but any icon, any wallpaper, even my launchers in my panels are all gone! |
| 16:53.29 | LilAero | -R = recursive |
| 16:53.29 | Atula | thanks |
| 16:53.29 | solemnwarning | so apt is useless |
| 16:53.29 | jeffro | one question though, how can i make sure that inputattach --stinger ttyS0 run at the startup? |
| 16:53.29 | solemnwarning | apt never has up to date packages for some reason |
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| 16:53.30 | sanxiyn | solemnwarning: I must agree, for some packages that's true. :( |
| 16:53.30 | spike | hi, I've got this old box and I need to boot from floppies |
| 16:53.30 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:53.31 | solemnwarning | sarge |
| 16:53.31 | sanxiyn | nse: Too bad. |
| 16:53.31 | nse | skel: it didn't work, look above my sentence |
| 16:53.31 | spike | with the woody floppies,when it looks for the kernel, that the "floppy isn't the right one" |
| 16:53.31 | nse | sanxiyn: so, what to do now? |
| 16:53.31 | jeffro | Spike: do a network boot if you have other pc's |
| 16:53.31 | spike | and stops there |
| 16:53.31 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: Uhm, you don't read debian-security-announce? |
| 16:53.31 | sanxiyn | nse: Start it all again? Not an option? |
| 16:53.31 | spike | neither the root.bin, nor the rescue.bin are recognized as "good floppy" |
| 16:53.31 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 16:53.31 | solemnwarning | the what? |
| 16:53.31 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: You don't know how security works in Debian, do you? |
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| 16:53.31 | LSorensen | spike: did you verify the floppies were 100% ok before starting? |
| 16:53.31 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 16:53.32 | LSorensen | spike: and woody is obsolete |
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| 16:53.45 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: http://security.debian.org/ - this problem has been fixed in Sarge's clamav packages on the security server. |
| 16:53.47 | nse | sanxiyn: i think i have a bigger problem. my right click in the desktop background don't show me any list or menu, nothing works |
| 16:53.51 | spike | LSorensen: ok, with the sid disks I get a different error: it goes on 'till installing the base system, and there it stops with errors |
| 16:54.00 | solemnwarning | but its old version |
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| 16:54.07 | spike | LSorensen: it says something about initrd-tools went wrong |
| 16:54.08 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: Indeed. |
| 16:54.13 | jeffro | spike |
| 16:54.14 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: Debian doesn't switch to new versions in its stable release to fix security problems, it backports the security fix to the version in stable. |
| 16:54.17 | jeffro | install sarge |
| 16:54.19 | sanxiyn | solemnwarning: Well, old version, but without exploit. |
| 16:54.23 | jeffro | not sid or woody |
| 16:54.23 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 16:54.27 | solemnwarning | dammit |
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| 16:54.32 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: http://security.debian.org/ |
| 16:54.33 | jeffro | those are unstable |
| 16:54.34 | spike | jeffro: do you think the sarge bootdisks will work? |
| 16:54.43 | spike | jeffro: mh, k, I'll try the sarge one, tnx |
| 16:54.48 | jeffro | i think so sarge is the most stable of them all |
| 16:54.49 | LSorensen | spike: sid is currently broken |
| 16:55.03 | Slippy | LSorensen: liar |
| 16:55.21 | LSorensen | spike: I get the impression my amd64 sarge netinst cd is the only debian install at this time with a 2.6.12 kernel... Much to my surprise |
| 16:55.23 | jeffro | one question though, how can i make sure that inputattach --stinger ttyS0 run at the startup |
| 16:55.26 | sanxiyn | solemnwarning: Specifically, that problem is fixed in http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-737 |
| 16:55.27 | JohnnyST | Hi dose someone know of a shell script somewhere that one can use to kill a process that have been using 100% after a specified amount of time? |
| 16:55.32 | Atula | see, I changed the owner of the folder which was created by root, now everytime I want to create something in it, I still have to become su.... how do I make it so that it's okay for user, who currently owns the folder to be abel to create files/dirs inside without trouble? |
| 16:55.39 | LSorensen | Slippy: really. Well yesterday a lot of them certainly didn't boot properly |
| 16:55.46 | sanxiyn | (Same day with Gentoo and Mandrake, FWIW.) |
| 16:55.47 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: You should have had security.debian.org in your sources.list at install time. You can check the changelog in /usr/share/doc/clamav |
| 16:56.09 | FarrisG | can anyone give me a hand compiling tun-source? |
| 16:56.25 | Slippy | LSorensen: it's "unstable" ...not broken - and mine is running fine, you just need to know what you're doing when running unstable |
| 16:56.45 | LSorensen | Slippy: sure. Did you doa new install in the last couple of days? |
| 16:56.50 | nse | sanxiyn: is there a way to reinstall the whole gnome |
| 16:56.53 | cadu | Slippy: 'need to know' = holding some packages ? :) |
| 16:56.54 | exobyte | when I patch something, is it normally -p1 |
| 16:57.15 | asg | exobyte: it depends where the patch is in relation to the source tree |
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| 16:57.25 | LSorensen | Slippy: What I said (not very clearly I admit) is that the sid install disks appear to be broken at this time |
| 16:57.46 | LSorensen | Slippy: sid itself is fine if you don't mind dealing with dependancy issues |
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| 16:58.06 | Slippy | LSorensen: ah fair enough...don't know about that - thought you meant the dist as a whole |
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| 16:58.17 | exobyte | asg: ahh.. well, the file listed after +++ exists in . |
| 16:58.26 | Slippy | cadu: yeah holding a couple of packages once in a while |
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| 16:58.34 | LSorensen | Slippy: no it was meant to answer the question about sid floppy boot |
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| 16:58.45 | asg | exobyte: then -p0 is probably what you want. 'man patch ; /-pnum' (for the full explanation) |
| 16:58.51 | Atula | see, I changed the owner of the folder which was created by root, now everytime I want to create something in it, I still have to become su.... how do I make it so that it's okay for user, who currently owns the folder to be abel to create files/dirs inside without trouble? |
| 16:58.57 | Atula | sorry about reposting |
| 16:59.09 | exobyte | asg: thx |
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| 16:59.16 | PerfDave | solemnwarning: It's also worth noting that not all security flaws in software will affect the Debian version, and that some will only affect the Debian version. It depends on what patches Debian applies to things. Subscribing to debian-security-announce is the best way of staying on top of things. |
| 16:59.21 | dunstabulos | Atula, man chmod |
| 16:59.28 | mithi | Slippy: sry for so many question ^^But when the modules which i have to set , are written in that style: CONFIG_KMOD, CONFIG_MTRR (which i will never find alone) so there perhaps an easier way to find such modules |
| 16:59.42 | stew | jeffro: /etc/init.d/README |
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| 17:00.07 | black13 | LSorensen still havent gotten it |
| 17:00.12 | asg | mithi: look at a Debian kernel's /boot/config* file. Search for the KEYWORD, then look up in the file for the section. |
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| 17:00.57 | Loof_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.58 | LSorensen | black13: what thing is asking you to fill that in? |
| 17:00.59 | asg | mithi: you can verify if you've found it in menuconfig by looking at the 'help' for the item, it will list the KEYWORD as the title. |
| 17:01.02 | mithi | asg: aaah , ok , thank you |
| 17:01.03 | Slippy | mithi: yeah, what asg said |
| 17:01.14 | hoover | I am getting GPG signatures were invalid while doing apt-get updates, how can I fix this? |
| 17:01.20 | jeffro | hey stew |
| 17:01.26 | jeffro | finnally got it to work |
| 17:01.50 | jeffro | ^_^ is there any program i can use to emulate keyboard key to jostick |
| 17:01.53 | jeffro | ^_^ is there any program i can use to emulate keyboard key to joystick |
| 17:01.57 | sanxiyn | hoover: You have some 3rd party repositories? |
| 17:02.02 | jeffro | like joytokey for windows |
| 17:02.06 | jeremywhiting | hi all |
| 17:02.06 | PerfDave | hoover: It's a new feature in sid. You need to get a chain of trust to the Debian signing key, or disable signature checking. |
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| 17:02.31 | sanxiyn | hoover: There's --allow-unauthenticated if you're stuck. |
| 17:02.31 | gilber | Hello, i have problems with movies vcd, i cannot play its with totem, what i need? |
| 17:02.35 | stew | hoover: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 17:02.41 | black13 | LSorensen i have build or am trying to build embedded system from debian sarge ... which mostly works if i use rungetty to auto login im find but a straigt getty login logging in as root isnt possible so i ask about this hesitantly |
| 17:02.45 | jeremywhiting | is the only way to install unstable packages from testing to download and dpkg --install? |
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| 17:02.48 | jeffro | !apt secure |
| 17:02.49 | dpkg | hmm... apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated |
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| 17:02.58 | hoover | sanxiyn: I do have 3rd party. I will coment it out and see what happens |
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| 17:03.03 | jeremywhiting | and will this break anything? aptitude, etc? |
| 17:03.05 | PerfDave | jeremywhiting: You don't want to do that. /msg dpkg backport |
| 17:03.05 | hoover | stew: thanks |
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| 17:03.18 | medvidek | :]] |
| 17:03.45 | psi | Gimp is not installable in unstable because libexif10 doesn't exist. is there a way around this? |
| 17:04.01 | stew | psi: did you check the bts? |
| 17:04.08 | psi | the what? |
| 17:04.11 | stew | the bts |
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| 17:04.38 | psi | bug tracking system i presume |
| 17:04.40 | stew | psi: did you read the topic? |
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| 17:05.15 | jeffro | ^_^ is there any program i can use to emulate keyboard key to joystick |
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| 17:05.25 | nse | My Gnome desktop has gone weird, all my configuration files are messed up, is there a way to reinstall the gnome desktop envirionament removing all the configuration files with it? |
| 17:05.46 | jeremywhiting | is unstable usable at this point then? |
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| 17:06.00 | sanxiyn | nse: Yes, but you will lose all your configurations. |
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| 17:06.21 | stew | jeremywhiting: if you have to ask you don't want unstable, especially not right now |
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| 17:06.25 | sanxiyn | jeremywhiting: Yes. I'd say it's actually in quite good state. |
| 17:06.35 | nse | sanxiyn: this has already happened |
| 17:06.59 | sanxiyn | nse: Delete all dot files. |
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| 17:07.42 | jeremywhiting | sanxiyn, I'm new to debian, but very profficient in linux, but I heard unstable is bleeding now since sarge was released |
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| 17:07.51 | sanxiyn | Or, delte .gconf, .gconfd, .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome2_private. |
| 17:07.58 | sanxiyn | jeremywhiting: True. |
| 17:08.04 | sanxiyn | delete |
| 17:08.34 | jeremywhiting | I just want to use my pcmcia memory card with a 2.6 kernel, but it seems 2.6.8 doesn,t have pcmciamtd module at all |
| 17:08.44 | nse | sanxiyn: I mean, some of my configurations are lost, some are not, like my fonts and other stuff. But my icons, lanchers, desktops, this has all gone. I'm with the backup files is said for me to hold. Is there a way to make things normal once again whithou purging everything? |
| 17:08.46 | Akbar | I'm getting the feeling video and sound isn't synchronized |
| 17:08.53 | jeremywhiting | at least not the debian kernel-image of it |
| 17:08.59 | sanxiyn | nse: I don't know. |
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| 17:09.31 | mithi | Do I have to look for words with :b commands in the vi editor, don't I? .... the manual is complicate :/ |
| 17:09.31 | sanxiyn | Well, setting up all launchers etc. is easy enough for me that I usually don't bother if things break, but you may differ... |
| 17:09.33 | abrotman | jeremywhiting: what's the omdule name? |
| 17:09.42 | jeremywhiting | pcmciamtd.ko |
| 17:09.56 | jeremywhiting | afaik that is |
| 17:10.01 | abrotman | !find pcmciamtd.ko |
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| 17:10.21 | nse | sanxiyn: Ok, I don't mind loosing all my configurations, but is there a canonical way to do the reinstallation? Like trought dpkg or apt-get ? |
| 17:10.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pcmciamtd.ko' (3 of 5): (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/kernel/drivers/mtd/maps/pcmciamtd.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-386/kernel/drivers/mtd/maps/pcmciamtd.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/kernel/drivers/mtd/maps/pcmciamtd.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686. |
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| 17:10.26 | djansa | bonjour |
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| 17:10.35 | abrotman | jeremywhiting: i guess that's your answer .. |
| 17:10.50 | stew | nse: there is no way to remove configuration in $HOME with dpkg, only to remove configuration in /etc/ |
| 17:10.51 | sanxiyn | nse: Remove all things you want to reinstall, then install them again. |
| 17:10.55 | mithi | sanxiyn: maybe nse didn't lost those things. Instead of that he could deactivate the icons |
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| 17:11.03 | jeremywhiting | and since 2.6.11 is unstable I have to upgrade to unstable then? |
| 17:11.04 | psi | stew: there wasn't anything about it in the bts |
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| 17:11.07 | Loof_ | What's the deal with all these 'untrusted source' packages now? |
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| 17:11.20 | jeremywhiting | or downgrade to 2.4 ekkkk |
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| 17:11.29 | abrotman | jeremywhiting: you can try just getitng JUST the kernel image from etch/sid .. and try to install it .. but it may not work |
| 17:11.44 | abrotman | jeremywhiting: i'd try from etch first |
| 17:11.46 | sanxiyn | !tell Loof_ about apt secure |
| 17:11.47 | asg | Loof_: /msg dpkg apt security |
| 17:11.55 | abrotman | apt-secure ? |
| 17:11.57 | LSorensen | jeremywhiting: it is possible to install the kernel package from unstable without upgrading anything else |
| 17:11.59 | stew | !depends gimp |
| 17:12.01 | jeremywhiting | after I intsall will it break aptitude though? |
| 17:12.02 | dpkg | gimp: depends on wget, gimp-data (= 2.2.8-6), libaa1 (>= 1.2), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libexif10, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.7), libgimp2.0 (>= 2.2.0+rel), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libmng1 (>= 1.0.3-1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libsm6 | ... |
| 17:12.07 | nse | mithi: I didn't, my right-click in the desktop is no longer working, some of my launchers in my top panel disappeared. |
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| 17:12.25 | mithi | nse: Ok :) |
| 17:12.26 | JoshH | jeremywhiting: no |
| 17:12.29 | LSorensen | jeremywhiting: it did break aptitude for me installing 2.6.11 on sarge |
| 17:12.36 | sanxiyn | Okay, for other's benefit, here's my list of hold packages in my unstable GNOME desktop: |
| 17:12.38 | jeremywhiting | ok, thanks I'll try it |
| 17:12.39 | abrotman | why would it break aptitude ? |
| 17:12.56 | goccia | i'm using a kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 on sarge |
| 17:13.03 | goccia | non problems |
| 17:13.06 | goccia | no* |
| 17:13.07 | jeremywhiting | on sarge stable or before it was stable? |
| 17:13.08 | stew | psi: if gimp is uninstallable and there is no bug filed, file one |
| 17:13.13 | sanxiyn | slang1a, libsigc++, libcairo, libexif, libfam, libgmp, libmyspell, libstlport, libwpd. |
| 17:13.14 | mithi | Do I have to look for words with :b commands in the vi editor, don't I? .... the manual is complicate :/ |
| 17:13.23 | djansa | comment allez vous? |
| 17:13.37 | goccia | i'm using kde3.4.1 and firefox too : sarge rocks |
| 17:13.44 | nse | sanxiyn: How to know which things I want to reinstall, all that I know is that gnome is messed up. How to associate this with the files I need to remove? |
| 17:13.52 | sanxiyn | nse: No idea. |
| 17:13.55 | sanxiyn | nse: Don't ask me. |
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| 17:14.35 | Whisky_ | ermm what program could I use to sync my IP with some hostname; like using DynDns.org's service :/ |
| 17:14.47 | nse | My Nautilus is lo longer working too. Everything is fucked here, I'm going to kill myself.. |
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| 17:15.04 | Whisky_ | nse, get KDE, heh |
| 17:15.09 | Loof_ | I tried adding the keys in /usr/share/apt... but it still didn't fix it |
| 17:15.19 | Anders | KDE sucks |
| 17:15.22 | Loof_ | The great majority of the packages are now 'suddenly' untrusted. |
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| 17:15.33 | sanxiyn | Whisky_: apt-cache search dyndns |
| 17:15.35 | Loof_ | I assume that this apt-secure has been merged with mainline apt/aptitude? |
| 17:15.41 | Whisky_ | k |
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| 17:15.52 | psi | stew: someone has already filed a bug for libexif10 apparently (the same bug). |
| 17:15.55 | sanxiyn | Whisky_: For example, ez-ipupdate supports many dynamic DNS services. |
| 17:16.04 | Whisky_ | sanxiyn, thanks. |
| 17:16.11 | goccia | kde works fine if you don't get the full bloated thing |
| 17:16.11 | Warp4 | hi all. i was wondering what i would need to do to have email coming from my domain instead of localhost.localdomain? |
| 17:16.15 | psi | stew: do I still want to notify the gimp people? |
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| 17:16.27 | Akbar | where's dvdrecord? |
| 17:16.30 | sanxiyn | Loof_: Yes, it's in mainline now. |
| 17:16.41 | Akbar | which package? |
| 17:16.59 | streuner_ | Akbar: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:17.17 | Akbar | yeah apt-cache search |
| 17:17.17 | nse | All the gnome configurations files for a particular user may be in .gnome directories in $HOME, right? |
| 17:17.24 | Akbar | but can't find it ;/ |
| 17:17.28 | sanxiyn | nse: No. |
| 17:17.44 | sanxiyn | nse: There's also .gconf. |
| 17:17.45 | vixfiles | dvdrtools |
| 17:17.58 | Akbar | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 17:17.58 | Akbar | E: Couldn't find package dvdrtools |
| 17:18.00 | Akbar | mmm.. |
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| 17:18.28 | Warp4 | ok found it in /etc/hosts |
| 17:18.41 | nse | sanxiyn: And that's all? |
| 17:18.46 | Loof_ | Hmm, I did the 'apt-key add ...' process. |
| 17:18.54 | Loof_ | Any way to get the latest keyring, etc. |
| 17:18.56 | sanxiyn | nse: Maybe others. No idea. |
| 17:18.57 | Loof_ | something isn't quite 'right' |
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| 17:19.05 | sanxiyn | ls |
| 17:19.09 | sanxiyn | oops |
| 17:19.25 | simonrvn | wrong window ;p |
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| 17:20.15 | Whisky_ | which browser do you recommend for a light weight and efficient browser than doesnt hog the system? |
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| 17:20.29 | abrotman | links |
| 17:20.33 | simonrvn | text-based one |
| 17:20.38 | Warp4 | lynx |
| 17:20.41 | simonrvn | w3m, links, lynx, .... |
| 17:20.48 | Warp4 | w3m |
| 17:20.49 | Warp4 | :) |
| 17:20.50 | yam | I have download/compiled postfix source on my debian box... I did got rid of exim4 overriding dependencies... Now cannot get it to upgrade anything.. It asks for -f install, which would install some other mta... my question is... is there any dumb mta package sdo those dependencies are solved? |
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| 17:20.53 | abrotman | do they still make skipstone ? |
| 17:20.56 | Whisky_ | erm, i mean apart from text based ones :| |
| 17:21.06 | Warp4 | yam you should have run dpkg-install postfix |
| 17:21.14 | Warp4 | rather apt-get install postfix |
| 17:21.22 | sanxiyn | w3m wins if you browse non-latin websites. |
| 17:21.31 | yam | warp: I installed postfix manually |
| 17:21.36 | Whisky_ | i just need english =) |
| 17:21.47 | sanxiyn | w3m still wins anyway. :-) |
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| 17:21.51 | IsaacHaze | Whisky_: opera! =] |
| 17:21.51 | Warp4 | yam heh try using apt-get to download and install PostFix and any dependencies. |
| 17:21.53 | abrotman | Whisky_: for sarge ? |
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| 17:22.01 | Whisky_ | abrotman, yup. |
| 17:22.09 | Whisky_ | IsaacHaze, I almost forgot it existed =p |
| 17:22.17 | Anders | Whisky_, dillo |
| 17:22.18 | Anders | ;) |
| 17:22.21 | Whisky_ | :s |
| 17:22.25 | goccia | links2 |
| 17:22.30 | Anders | lynx |
| 17:22.33 | abrotman | Whisky_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/ .. there's tons of browsers there |
| 17:22.35 | sanxiyn | dillo with patch. |
| 17:22.48 | simonrvn | what patch? |
| 17:23.00 | simonrvn | i/.e, what does it do/change? |
| 17:23.05 | yam | warp: sarge postifx is quite old |
| 17:23.06 | simonrvn | er, i.e. |
| 17:23.22 | goccia | ;) |
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| 17:23.34 | Whisky_ | k |
| 17:23.46 | Whisky_ | by the way I signed up for DSL, 256k :D |
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| 17:24.04 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: So called dillo-i18n-patches, which is actually a merge of several patches. |
| 17:24.20 | aaronlin | I'm trying to generate a key for GnuPG, but everytime I do, the program crashes. Is GPG unstable? |
| 17:24.22 | simonrvn | i se |
| 17:24.24 | simonrvn | e |
| 17:24.38 | simonrvn | Works Here(tm) |
| 17:24.46 | albo | are there security updates for testing as well as stable? |
| 17:24.51 | simonrvn | no |
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| 17:24.56 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Summary: frames, tabbed browsing, antialiased font, UTF-8, multibyte charset, gettext, charset autodetection, SSL, gui configuration, referer, gzip, ... |
| 17:25.10 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: holy fuck, making it useful ;) |
| 17:25.19 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: http://teki.jpn.ph/pc/software/index-e.shtml |
| 17:25.23 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: That's the main site. |
| 17:25.30 | adaran | i'm having trouble with a cd in what appears is a non-red book format. it seems to be an 'enhanced' cd - i can mount it, but i cannot play the audio tracks |
| 17:25.30 | simonrvn | meegwetch |
| 17:25.39 | abrotman | albo: nope .. |
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| 17:25.40 | nse | I have to say something very hard, I'm going to change to KDE, gnome is killing me with crashing windows and configuration files. |
| 17:25.51 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: means thanks, fyi |
| 17:25.52 | abrotman | sounds like you buggered up gnome :) |
| 17:26.04 | adaran | windows xp can read it without any third party tools, so i guess there is no copy protection (unless someone decided to just exclude non-windows users). any idea? |
| 17:26.45 | abrotman | adaran: you don't mount audio cds |
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| 17:27.02 | nse | abrotman: KDE will be a good choice? |
| 17:27.14 | eeyore- | sanxiy: what are those patches for, again? |
| 17:27.14 | DanC | wierd... useradd doesn't seem to create a home directory... nor does the gnome Users and Groups tool |
| 17:27.16 | abrotman | nse: not for me .. or any sane person :) |
| 17:27.21 | adaran | abrotman, it's an 'enhanced' cd. it actually has a video file that i can play |
| 17:27.31 | simonrvn | eeyore-: visit the site, it lists them |
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| 17:27.33 | abrotman | adaran: which you have to mount for that .. but audio cds don't need to be mounted |
| 17:27.37 | eeyore- | simonrvn: which site? |
| 17:27.43 | simonrvn | http://teki.jpn.ph/pc/software/index-e.shtml |
| 17:27.47 | abrotman | adaran: at least i don't think so |
| 17:27.49 | nse | abrotman: so you're meaning that Gnoem is the choice? all thing here are fucked |
| 17:27.51 | adaran | abrotman, http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2003-February/002243.html -- that's why i mounted it |
| 17:27.58 | Sixer | how would I find out the current $DISPLAY for a running X session ? |
| 17:27.59 | abrotman | nse: i prefer gnome .. and mine works fine |
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| 17:28.10 | asg | Sixer: echo $DISPLAY |
| 17:28.11 | adaran | abrotman, cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize (dmesg when inserted into cd-r drive) |
| 17:28.22 | abrotman | adaran: ok . if you mount it . what do you see? |
| 17:28.30 | Sixer | asg: I'm afraid I've already overwritten that variable |
| 17:28.38 | Anders | why is thunderbird in debian called "debian thunderbird"? |
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| 17:28.47 | eeyore- | is "dillo" like a lightweight browser or something? |
| 17:28.48 | abrotman | trademark issues probably |
| 17:28.53 | abrotman | !dillo |
| 17:28.53 | dpkg | well, dillo is a GTK+ based browser that's small, stable, developer-friendly, usable, fast, and extensible. http://dillo.sourceforge.net/, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/dillo.png, or damned fast, but no frames |
| 17:28.56 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:29.03 | asg | Sixer: xdpyinfo |head -n1 |
| 17:29.24 | mithi | nse: hum |
| 17:29.25 | adaran | abrotman, same i see when opening it under windows: file. there's a file called kettcar#2.mpg (kettcar is the band name) and two subfolders, one named cdextra and one named images or similiar (sorry, ripping the cd on a win machine atm) |
| 17:29.35 | mithi | nse: ups |
| 17:29.38 | adaran | abrotman, http://www.disctronics.co.uk/technology/cd-rom/cdrom_ecd.htm -- matches with this |
| 17:29.42 | abrotman | adaran: and you can't play the mpg files ? |
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| 17:30.01 | Sixer | asg: That also returns my wrongly set variable. Shall I just restart X11 ? |
| 17:30.06 | adaran | abrotman, sure i can. i just can't play the audio! |
| 17:30.17 | abrotman | ok .. where's the freaking audio ? |
| 17:30.21 | abrotman | in a subdir ? |
| 17:30.25 | black13 | asg i notice besided /etc/pam.d/login file there is a file /etc/login that contains references to pam so files how is file used or what man page should i be reading aobut? |
| 17:30.28 | nse | abrotman: Ok so I need a gnome guy to go round this. Look, suddenly all my icons disappeared, some of my lauchers in the top panel disappeared. My background paper disappeared, right-click in the background do not show me a menu. Do I have to reinstall Gnome purging all the files to make it work? What can I do? |
| 17:34.59 | abrotman | nse: sounds like nautilus crashed .. start it |
| 17:34.59 | adaran | abrotman, my ancient cd player plays the cd |
| 17:34.59 | adaran | abrotman, so i guess it's tracks |
| 17:34.59 | eeyore- | abrotman: does it do css? |
| 17:34.59 | abrotman | adaran: did you try to play it without mounting ? |
| 17:34.59 | adaran | abrotman, yes |
| 17:34.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: damned if i know .. i use opera :) |
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| 17:34.59 | abrotman | adaran: no workie ? |
| 17:34.59 | eeyore- | simonrvn: does dillo handle css? |
| 17:34.59 | adaran | abrotman, tried kcd, vlc, kscd, kaudiocreator |
| 17:34.59 | adaran | abrotman, mplayer and xmms |
| 17:34.59 | eeyore- | nse: killall gconfd-2; rm -fr ~/.gnome* ~/.gconf* |
| 17:34.59 | jarao123 | i am trying to compile the hostap driver. I get make:***No rule to make target '/usr/src/linux/.config'. Stop. what am i doing wrong? |
| 17:35.00 | Sixer | asg: n/m. :0 will do. thanks |
| 17:35.00 | eeyore- | nse: oh wait, do the other things before deleting files in massive ways :-) |
| 17:35.00 | abrotman | right after i get rid of all my 33s |
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| 17:35.00 | adaran | abrotman, i haven't played audio cds before, but i once ripped one with kaudiocreator |
| 17:35.00 | eeyore- | nse: yeah, and if you care about your bookmarks, you'd better save them first |
| 17:35.00 | nse | abrotman: Yes it does! Everything started with a Nautilus crashing! One of those "Nautilus is not responding" windows appeared, but after clicking close the window came again, and again |
| 17:35.00 | adaran | abrotman, (ironically, same label, same ba |
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| 17:35.00 | abrotman | nse: did you try to mv uhm ... .nautilus out of the way ? |
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| 17:35.00 | abrotman | adaran: can you play a normal cd ? |
| 17:35.00 | jarao123 | i am trying to compile the hostap driver. I get make:***No rule to make target '/usr/src/linux/.config'. Stop. what am i doing wrong? |
| 17:35.00 | eeyore- | jarao123: you haven't configured your kernel |
| 17:35.01 | adaran | abrotman, i'll double check, to make sure |
| 17:35.01 | abrotman | jarao123: read the instructions |
| 17:35.01 | simonrvn | eeyore-: it might with that patch. i'll check |
| 17:35.38 | adaran | abrotman, now that you mention it... |
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| 17:36.04 | abrotman | adaran: do i get a prize? |
| 17:36.25 | simonrvn | eeyore-: hmm, doesn't say. i'll give it a run |
| 17:36.25 | adaran | abrotman, if you explain to me why this isn't working, you'll get my everlasting thanks |
| 17:36.32 | edson | l |
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| 17:36.39 | abrotman | adaran: you do of course have the little cable going from CD to audio card .. right ? |
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| 17:36.55 | abrotman | adaran: and you're NOT mounting the audio cd ... right? |
| 17:36.57 | nse | abrotman: I removed Nauitilus, is it time to restart x? What is the directory .gnome2_private ? |
| 17:37.11 | abrotman | nse: nfc .. logout .. login .. see what happens |
| 17:37.44 | takatumi | jarao123: try module-assistant, it'll help. |
| 17:37.45 | adaran | abrotman, as for the cable - i don't know. but i'd expect to be able to at least rip a disk |
| 17:37.51 | adaran | abrotman, and no, i'm not mounting it =) |
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| 17:38.04 | stew | psi: this has nothing to do with gimp, but with debian's packaging, don't bother the gimp people |
| 17:38.07 | abrotman | adaran: ripping doesn't involve that little cable |
| 17:38.16 | aaronlin | What types of diagnostic tools should I get to monitor how my computer is doing? |
| 17:38.23 | aaronlin | For Debian. |
| 17:38.23 | mithi | hum what would be the best way to upgrade my testing version of sarge to stable? |
| 17:38.24 | psi | stew: thank you |
| 17:38.46 | eeyore- | adaran: alsamixer, check the "cd volume" :-) |
| 17:38.48 | adaran | abrotman, that's what i though |
| 17:38.51 | simonrvn | sarge *is* stable. testing is 'later', newer s/w |
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| 17:39.05 | adaran | abrotman, dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error -- shouldn't this work at least? |
| 17:39.06 | eeyore- | adaran: ripping just reads byte by byte from the audio cd |
| 17:39.16 | adaran | eeyore-, yes, i'd like to get that running =) |
| 17:39.41 | eeyore- | adaran: you want to rip? "cdparanoia" |
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| 17:40.22 | abrotman | adaran: assuming /dev/cdrom is pointing at the correct place |
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| 17:40.30 | adaran | eeyore-, 004: Unable to read table of contents header |
| 17:40.30 | eeyore- | adaran: "/dev/cdrom" is possibly a symlink. it may or may not exist. it may exist but may not point to the actual cdrom device. so, no "shouldn't this work at least" is asking too much (too many unknown variables) |
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| 17:40.32 | abrotman | eeyore-: he's actually trying to listen |
| 17:40.41 | mithi | only changing the source.list? |
| 17:40.47 | fffffh | LOL redhat.con down |
| 17:40.52 | Schiz0 | Is there a command to convert a password from encripted to standard? and vise-versa? I'm having trouble with the debian-sys-maint user. |
| 17:40.55 | eeyore- | adaran: is cdparanoia trying to read from /dev/cdrom? see above comment |
| 17:41.16 | adaran | eeyore-, abrotman i don't care whether it's listen or rip atm =). i'm aware i won't HEAR anything if my cable is not connected ,but that's not the point atm. however, /dev/cdrom is pointing at the correct place, /dev/hdd |
| 17:41.18 | simonrvn | 'encrypted', 'vice-versa' |
| 17:41.35 | Schiz0 | I'm a bad speller. |
| 17:41.40 | adaran | eeyore-, abrotman i'm sure because eject /dev/cdrom ejects the right drive |
| 17:41.48 | PerfDave | Schiz0: There's no way short of brute forcing to turn a crypted / hashed password back into a plaintext one. |
| 17:41.54 | liran | i'm stuck in ssh normal user without being able to su root or use sudo (cause i havent configured it). what options do i have to restore root access? (no physcal access to the box) |
| 17:42.12 | adaran | eeyore-, abrotman the cd i put in is homemade by an amateur band and as far as i know red-book standard |
| 17:42.25 | adaran | eeyore-, abrotman i can't find my "michael jackson - thriller" cd at the moment, however :P |
| 17:42.32 | Schiz0 | PerfDave- is there a way to have it go from plaintext and convert into crypted? |
| 17:42.39 | eeyore- | adaran: "cdparanoia -Q" |
| 17:42.45 | liran | i know the root password, im just unable to get to it cause i also disabled root logins from ssh :) |
| 17:42.47 | PerfDave | Schiz0: Yes, you can crypt a password using perl or something. |
| 17:42.51 | adaran | eeyore-, 004: Unable to read table of contents header Unable to open disc. Is there an audio CD in the drive? |
| 17:42.57 | abrotman | adaran: check the closet |
| 17:43.00 | PerfDave | liran: You don't need to configure su |
| 17:43.03 | Whisky_ | why do I have to have my username as my ident on IRC? |
| 17:43.28 | eeyore- | adaran: is the disk burned in some screwed ways? |
| 17:43.30 | liran | PerfDave: i was saying that im unable to use su to change to root. and sudo is NOT configured. |
| 17:43.32 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You don't. |
| 17:43.33 | Schiz0 | So there's no quick command to convert/view it? |
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| 17:43.41 | adaran | eeyore-, okay, i got an even better sample |
| 17:43.41 | PerfDave | Schiz0: It's a one-liner |
| 17:43.47 | adaran | eeyore-, a "hit sampler" from 1993 =) |
| 17:43.51 | Whisky_ | PerfDave, I do have oidentd installed. |
| 17:43.52 | adaran | eeyore-, well 1994 actually =) |
| 17:44.19 | adaran | eeyore-, i'm pretty sure it's a software problem because i once ripped the CD i just put in =) |
| 17:44.24 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Is your identd accessible from Freenode? |
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| 17:44.36 | Whisky_ | PerfDave, I dont know :s |
| 17:44.40 | jarao123 | trying to compile hostap...i dont have the /usr/src/linux directory...help |
| 17:45.01 | adaran | hmm could my drive be b0rked? |
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| 17:45.21 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Well, does freenode pause for 30 seconds while you connect, until the identd times out? :) |
| 17:45.21 | eeyore- | adaran: put it a "normal" audio cd, e.g., one you buy from store, and "cdparanoia -Q" |
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| 17:45.29 | goccia | adaran: are you using kde ? |
| 17:45.38 | Whisky_ | PerfDave, No, I can connect fine :/ |
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| 17:45.44 | adaran | goccia, yes |
| 17:45.48 | liran | PerfDave: my su is not set-uid which is why i cant use it |
| 17:45.53 | adaran | eeyore-, i did. told ya, 1993 sampler, store bought |
| 17:45.57 | simonrvn | liran: so fix it |
| 17:45.58 | goccia | adaran: is kdemultimedia-kio-plugins installed ? |
| 17:46.04 | liran | simonrvn: how? |
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| 17:46.12 | simonrvn | info chmod |
| 17:46.16 | takatumi | jarao123: use module-assistant to compile, it'll get the appropriate kernel-header as well. |
| 17:46.19 | simonrvn | look for setuid |
| 17:46.20 | liran | simonrvn: i cant do chmod +s /bin/sh because its owned by root.root |
| 17:46.37 | liran | sorry, i meant /bin/su |
| 17:46.37 | adaran | goccia, yes |
| 17:46.38 | jarao123 | thanks |
| 17:47.06 | goccia | adaran: so you should be able toi navigate that cd with konqueror |
| 17:47.09 | simonrvn | fyi, chown root:root, not root.root. using the : is POSIX, whereas the . isn't. but i'm nitpicking |
| 17:47.17 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 17:47.45 | adaran | goccia, nope wont' do |
| 17:48.07 | simonrvn | liran: so you login as root on the console, use sudo, or any number of ways (like booting fom a live cd for instance) |
| 17:48.17 | goccia | must be the f* plastic |
| 17:48.30 | liran | simonrvn: as i was saying, i can access it remotely only (with ssh) |
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| 17:48.54 | adaran | goccia, plastic? |
| 17:49.05 | goccia | i mean the cd maybe |
| 17:49.06 | adaran | gocca 4th i tried =) |
| 17:49.19 | adaran | goccia, and once of those, i even ripped/played before |
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| 17:49.29 | simonrvn | liran: do you have sudo configured? |
| 17:49.33 | adaran | goccia, i'll try rebooting, because i can't unload the CD moudles |
| 17:49.49 | goccia | wrong |
| 17:49.50 | PerfDave | liran: Phone up your colocation company, get them to log in as root on the console. |
| 17:50.02 | adaran | goccia, okay, i'm always open to suggestions |
| 17:50.03 | tag | How is it |
| 17:50.12 | tag | that we can have a project manager for the open source team |
| 17:50.13 | liran | simonrvn: that box is sitting in our data center and its like 1 hour drive and tomorrow is friday... no i dont. my normal user isn't in /etc/sudoers and its owned root:root as well |
| 17:50.17 | tag | that doesn't know shit about open source software |
| 17:50.28 | liran | PerfDave: im wondering if i can do it without letting them do it physcall |
| 17:50.43 | liran | *physcally |
| 17:50.50 | PerfDave | liran: Short of finding a local privilege elevation security hole, then you're probably stuffed. |
| 17:51.05 | ribnitz | tag: is that a requirement? |
| 17:51.13 | PerfDave | liran: This is why you should always colocate your servers in such a way that you can get to a serial console remotely ;) |
| 17:51.14 | tag | I guess! |
| 17:51.29 | tag | I thought the project manager for open source software would know OSS right |
| 17:51.30 | liran | hehe |
| 17:51.38 | liran | right dave :) |
| 17:52.18 | tag | after all, they were specifically hired for the OSS division, and dealing specifically with the OSS teams...we have MS people, they're on the *other* side of the building. Wtf. |
| 17:52.25 | lindenle | is there a way to use dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections to remove as well as install packages |
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| 17:52.47 | tag | She's like "It's in the T drive." |
| 17:52.51 | tag | I give her a funny look |
| 17:53.02 | tag | she's like "When they set up you system, they gave you a T drive." |
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| 17:54.38 | tag | I said "You do realize I am an open source developer right?" she said "Yeah of course." I said "Well then, you should know that I use my workstation as a dev environment right?" she's like "Sure." I said "Well then you should know I don't have a T drive. I don't even have back slashes in my filesystem." She gave me this blank stare, "How is that possible?" |
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| 17:55.13 | tag | thank god for wine |
| 17:55.50 | lindenle | hello |
| 17:55.55 | lindenle | any help for me out there |
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| 17:56.14 | lindenle | any dpkg/apt wizards in the audience |
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| 17:57.47 | goccia | adaran: i use abcde jack or mprc to rip audio just to avoid flames : konqueror does stupid thing sometimes like keeping devices occupied and such |
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| 17:59.08 | jeffro | hey there, i cant find the game cube on apt-cache search |
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| 17:59.51 | nse | Removing all the .gnome* and .gconf* files from my ~ didn't worked. Is tehre a way to remove all the configuration files created by gnome? |
| 17:59.59 | jeffro | hello, anyone know how to install cube on debian |
| 18:00.13 | jeffro | nse: reinstall debian? |
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| 18:00.39 | goccia | nse: this is the case uoi do the worst thing : log as su and see if the problem is a config one |
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| 18:01.16 | xenolith | on my system, 'hostname' returns 'caelum', yet other computers on my lan don't associate 'caelum' with my computer's ip address. where should I look to set this up? |
| 18:01.34 | Phated | xenolith: /etc/hosts on those computers. |
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| 18:01.47 | Aradorn | anyone know of a good hosting company that offers JSP and Servlets for pretty cheap? |
| 18:01.50 | adaran | goccia, hmm i'll reboot, then run cdparanoia -Q |
| 18:02.05 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 18:02.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 18:02.08 | goccia | adaran: mp3 doesn't need it |
| 18:02.10 | xenolith | Phated: what if those computers are windows boxes? |
| 18:02.12 | goccia | mp3c |
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| 18:02.25 | Phated | xenolith: Windows has a hosts file, too. |
| 18:02.29 | mithi | could anyone give me a tip how to upgrade my sarge from testing to stable ? everything.. only with changes in the sources.list i thinnk that won't upgrade sarge |
| 18:02.47 | goccia | adaran: ops i'm wrong sorry |
| 18:02.49 | pattm | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.55 | nse | goccia: How to know if the problem is a config one? |
| 18:02.57 | tarzeau | bob2: ping, what happened, you're like on place 25 |
| 18:03.03 | Phated | xenolith: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts |
| 18:03.09 | Phated | God, I feel so dirty. |
| 18:03.16 | jeffro | i downloaded a game called cube but how to install/run it |
| 18:03.29 | goccia | nse: if you log as a different user you'll see |
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| 18:03.47 | aaronlin | How do I write an iso onto a floppy with linux? |
| 18:04.02 | pusling | has anyone got any sid updates since server moving ? |
| 18:04.05 | Phated | aaronlin: cdrecord -data dev=whatever isofile.iso. |
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| 18:04.19 | stew | Phated: cdrecord wont write to a floppy |
| 18:04.37 | Phated | Oh. I saw iso and stopped, sorry. |
| 18:04.41 | Phated | aaronlin: dd, then. |
| 18:04.50 | Phated | Do they make isos for floppies? |
| 18:05.00 | lars^ | which program should i use if i want to cryptate my /home dir fx. |
| 18:05.01 | Aradorn | er kinda |
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| 18:05.06 | Aradorn | isnt the debian boot floppy an ISO? |
| 18:05.07 | mithi | but it says that everything is updated... but i still have testing# |
| 18:05.09 | aaronlin | stew: I'm trying to get memtest |
| 18:05.10 | nse | goccia: Ahh, ok. I did this. I logged in as root and gnome is just working fine for him. |
| 18:05.12 | stew | aaronlin: mount the iso with -o loop then copy files |
| 18:05.15 | aaronlin | and run that...no clue where to start. |
| 18:05.21 | goccia | nse: so is a config |
| 18:05.23 | Phated | It's a .img, not sure if it's an ISO, but all right. |
| 18:05.33 | goccia | nse: no need to reinstall |
| 18:05.41 | nse | goccia: what to do then? |
| 18:05.44 | stew | aaronlin: did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/pkgname? |
| 18:05.47 | jeffro | delete your user |
| 18:05.54 | jeffro | then recreate your user |
| 18:06.26 | goccia | nse: rename every dotted gnome and let the magic doit again for you :) |
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| 18:06.37 | abrotman | and the nautilus files .. all of them .. move them |
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| 18:06.59 | abrotman | jeffro: and that's a really DUMB thing to say |
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| 18:07.09 | stew | suprise |
| 18:07.14 | hybrid_goth | where can i find some those GNU/Warez? |
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| 18:07.19 | jeffro | whats dumb about it |
| 18:07.20 | abrotman | !d-i hybrid_goth |
| 18:07.21 | dpkg | hybrid_goth, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:07.22 | inemo | hey everyone!! |
| 18:07.22 | inemo | :D |
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| 18:07.38 | hybrid_goth | i n33dz warez f0r my d3b!@n |
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| 18:07.56 | Phated | hybrid_goth: I sincerely hope you're being deeply sarcastic. |
| 18:08.05 | inemo | just popping in to see if anyone can help me install XP onto my debian install so I can run notepad |
| 18:08.06 | jeffro | there isnt any (except nerolinux and suxh) |
| 18:08.07 | adaran | goccia, rebooted - now everything works fine =(* |
| 18:08.09 | stew | jeffro: first of all deleting a user and re adding it doens't delete his home, if you were to delete his home he'd lose everything which is probably not what he wants |
| 18:08.13 | nse | goccia: I did this too. I moved to a backup everything like .gnome* and .gconf*, even removed then. But when I log in again, nothing changes. |
| 18:08.19 | goccia | adaran: konqueror :) |
| 18:08.21 | pusling | inemo: notepad runs fine with wine |
| 18:08.30 | inemo | pusling: wine makes me sick though |
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| 18:08.38 | inemo | and I prefer windows to wine |
| 18:08.38 | nalioth | inemo: one of the few things that runs fine with wine |
| 18:08.45 | adaran | goccia, boy, am i relieved =) |
| 18:08.48 | inemo | how do I install windows onto debian?! |
| 18:08.55 | jeffro | ... |
| 18:08.56 | pusling | inemo: all you need is notepad.exe |
| 18:08.58 | lars^ | which program should i use if i want to cryptate my /home dir fx. |
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| 18:09.06 | pusling | inemo: or else - go buy vmware |
| 18:09.07 | inemo | pusling: but I want windows! |
| 18:09.10 | resiak | inemo: Are you on crack? What's wrong with every other text editor? |
| 18:09.11 | adaran | inemo, you'll need an emulator |
| 18:09.11 | jeffro | inemo if you really want to install windows get vmware |
| 18:09.13 | Randall64 | cryptate? |
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| 18:09.18 | nalioth | lars^: gnupg, i'd imagine |
| 18:09.21 | inemo | resiak: its sentimental value |
| 18:09.24 | jonkri | if my computer dies after 8-15 hours of usage that probably means broken ram, right? |
| 18:09.26 | adaran | inemo, vmware, bochs/plex, qemu |
| 18:09.26 | inemo | and I just want windows |
| 18:09.31 | jonkri | even though it _can_ mean just about anything |
| 18:09.33 | adaran | inemo, well, then just install windows |
| 18:09.36 | goccia | nse: maybe when you log out gnome save again : check it |
| 18:09.38 | inemo | how? |
| 18:09.39 | jeffro | inemo get vmware |
| 18:09.39 | nalioth | jonkri: it could be anything |
| 18:09.46 | inemo | jeffro: costs money |
| 18:09.47 | jeffro | or use wine |
| 18:09.48 | pusling | inemo: or try qemu |
| 18:09.50 | inemo | adaran: how? |
| 18:09.50 | jeffro | trial |
| 18:09.54 | jeffro | then buy |
| 18:09.57 | inemo | pusling: sounds like a disease, not touching it |
| 18:09.58 | adaran | inemo, insert your windows XP cd |
| 18:09.59 | jeffro | or reverseengineer te exe |
| 18:10.00 | inemo | don't like trial |
| 18:10.00 | jonkri | nalioth, yes, but what is the most probable thing? |
| 18:10.05 | stew | don't feed the troll |
| 18:10.08 | adaran | inemo, at boot time it will say "press any key to run setup from this CD" |
| 18:10.11 | inemo | I don't have a windows XP cd |
| 18:10.11 | adaran | inemo, press enter |
| 18:10.18 | inemo | I have a .dmg file that is it apparently |
| 18:10.19 | adaran | inemo, well then you'll need to buy one |
| 18:10.20 | resiak | Gods... |
| 18:10.34 | nalioth | jonkri: it could be anything. does it do it at the same set time each time? |
| 18:10.34 | pusling | /kick inemo |
| 18:10.35 | nse | goccia: Got it! So now I know what to do... give a sec, lemme just try some things. |
| 18:10.36 | adaran | inemo, sorry, you can only install a genuine copy of windows |
| 18:10.37 | pusling | oops |
| 18:10.40 | Phated | resiak: This is hell. Gods do not live here. |
| 18:10.42 | jonkri | nalioth, no |
| 18:10.46 | jeffro | !troll inemo |
| 18:10.48 | inemo | ah its ok, someone in #red-hat is more helpfull than you lot, bye lamers |
| 18:10.50 | stew | adaran: please stop this is off-topic |
| 18:10.52 | tag | ok |
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| 18:10.59 | tag | I have a bunch of *old* packages I need |
| 18:11.06 | tag | but I want to keep the new packages |
| 18:11.13 | adaran | inemo, stew is right. you should check http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/default.mspx?displaylang=en |
| 18:11.18 | nalioth | jonkri: it could be your power supply, ram, something on the mobo |
| 18:11.20 | jeffro | he left.. |
| 18:11.21 | tag | is there a way I can create a seperate environment to host the old packages? |
| 18:11.21 | abrotman | right .. you konw .. have two versions of the same package installed at the same time .. good plan |
| 18:11.25 | jonkri | nalioth, ok thnx |
| 18:11.30 | abrotman | tag: chroot |
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| 18:11.38 | tag | chroot...AH! |
| 18:11.45 | pusling | Have anyone got updates from sid after servers are back up ? |
| 18:11.45 | tag | why the hell didn't I think of that |
| 18:11.48 | resiak | Phated: I think we need ops :) |
| 18:12.04 | Phated | resiak: You don't say. |
| 18:12.04 | edson | hi |
| 18:12.19 | jeffro | !motivation jeffro |
| 18:12.27 | mrou | is that normal that linux only detects 884MB of my 1GB memory? is that a way to make linux use 1GB? |
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| 18:12.37 | jeffro | mrou |
| 18:12.39 | resiak | mrou: Use a kernel that supports it? |
| 18:12.40 | jeffro | swap memory |
| 18:12.50 | nalioth | mrou: it sounds like a hardware thing to me |
| 18:12.51 | jeffro | i think its used as swap area |
| 18:12.54 | zinx | mrou: yes |
| 18:13.00 | Phated | jeffro: Dude, stop guessing answers if you don't actually know. |
| 18:13.05 | lindenle | mrou: you will only get 960 MB unless you compile kernel with 4GB option |
| 18:13.07 | zinx | mrou: there are many ways of supporting the full 1gb |
| 18:13.09 | resiak | jeffro: Shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about. |
| 18:13.11 | stew | mrou: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:13.20 | zinx | mrou: the easiest and safest is probably enabling "highmem" support |
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| 18:13.47 | lindenle | mrou: you have (at least in 2.4.31) a choice between 4GB and 64GB high meme |
| 18:13.54 | adaran | goccia, thanks =) |
| 18:13.57 | adaran | abrotman, you too! |
| 18:14.05 | abrotman | que? |
| 18:14.20 | abrotman | adaran: does it paly ? |
| 18:14.22 | abrotman | play? |
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| 18:14.26 | adaran | abrotman, le probleme de la cd b0rke! |
| 18:14.30 | nalioth | y'all have fun |
| 18:14.31 | SadSoul | hi, how to unrar a file? |
| 18:14.33 | abrotman | adaran: fixed it ? |
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| 18:14.35 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 18:14.35 | dpkg | from memory, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 18:14.36 | adaran | abrotman, no, because the cable isn't connected. but i want to riup anyways |
| 18:14.41 | mrou | stew: 2.6.11 |
| 18:14.42 | resiak | Hmm, I vaguely remember that there are stock himem kernels. |
| 18:14.47 | abrotman | adaran: ah .. so the cable was missing .. that's a problem :) |
| 18:14.49 | adaran | abrotman, yes. had to reboot, some program locked the device i think |
| 18:14.51 | jeffro | !unrar-free |
| 18:14.51 | dpkg | from memory, unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 18:14.52 | abrotman | resiak: 2.6 kernels are |
| 18:14.56 | adaran | abrotman, no, not the cable =) |
| 18:14.57 | SadSoul | http://www.freewebtown.com/h4ck3r/kaiten.full.rar |
| 18:14.58 | adaran | abrotman, i want to rip =) |
| 18:15.00 | SadSoul | how to unrar it? |
| 18:15.07 | mrou | stew: I compiled myself... but I did not see anything about > 1GB... there is things about supporting > 4GB ... |
| 18:15.07 | abrotman | adaran: ok .. mount .. rip |
| 18:15.11 | pusling | SadSoul: unrar e filename |
| 18:15.15 | stew | mrou: so a self compiled kenrel? in that case you need to select the 4gb option |
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| 18:15.21 | mrou | lindenle: thx |
| 18:15.25 | resiak | abrotman: Oh really? I've never had the chance to try. |
| 18:15.29 | goccia | adaran: konqueror sucks :) |
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| 18:15.39 | SadSoul | bash: unrar: command not found |
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| 18:15.42 | adaran | goccia, it's a decent browser |
| 18:15.43 | SadSoul | how to install it? |
| 18:15.44 | resiak | !installit |
| 18:15.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 18:15.53 | pusling | SadSoul: apt-get install unrar or something |
| 18:15.56 | jeffro | LOL :P |
| 18:16.04 | adaran | goccia, and to be honest, i think gnome's even worse (woohoo, flamewar) =) |
| 18:16.07 | goccia | adaran: yeah it's fast but it does nasty tricks :) |
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| 18:16.22 | jeffro | kde is better :P |
| 18:16.25 | adaran | goccia, well, i'm not sure if it is really responsible |
| 18:16.26 | snoke | is there way launch apps when blackbox is used as wm, not in users .xinitrc but allusers and only when using blackbox ? |
| 18:16.28 | adaran | jeffro, no way! |
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| 18:16.36 | adaran | jeffro, err, wait! i meant i agree |
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| 18:16.41 | jeffro | lol :P |
| 18:16.42 | goccia | adaran: time ago it locked up partitions in a way mount failed |
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| 18:16.48 | inemo | hey all |
| 18:16.52 | inemo | red hat kicked me |
| 18:16.54 | tarzeau | !start a browser war |
| 18:16.54 | dpkg | Mosaic is more useful than w3m! |
| 18:16.54 | pachi | hi all |
| 18:16.54 | inemo | I still |
| 18:17.01 | inemo | need to get windows installed |
| 18:17.01 | jeffro | gnome has his own will |
| 18:17.04 | tarzeau | resiak: LOL |
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| 18:17.17 | adaran | inemo, don't worry, you'll always be welcome here! |
| 18:17.17 | tarzeau | inemo: #windows |
| 18:17.24 | jeffro | !lol |
| 18:17.24 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a ubuntu user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 18:17.27 | inemo | adaran: thank you kind s1r |
| 18:17.29 | nse | Yes my problem is Nautilus. Gnome is working fine again, for god sake. But Nautilus is crashing when started. I reinstalled it, didn'r work. |
| 18:17.31 | pachi | does anybody know whether there is any problem now with the C++ transition so gnome and aspell conflict and can't be upgraded in Sid? |
| 18:17.38 | resiak | /ignore -time 3600 tarzeau |
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| 18:17.46 | inemo | adaran: now I need to install the OS X finder into debian |
| 18:17.48 | inemo | how can I? |
| 18:17.56 | tarzeau | inemo: apt-get install gworkspace.app |
| 18:18.00 | adaran | inemo, install windows first |
| 18:18.06 | pachi | and have package updates for sid been stalled this last couple of days or is just my apt-sources list that is broken? |
| 18:18.09 | inemo | tarzeau: no no, I want it out of OS X |
| 18:18.16 | adaran | inemo, then get "OS X finder for windows for debian" and install that |
| 18:18.18 | inemo | not from apt-get whatever stupid thing that is |
| 18:18.24 | inemo | adaran: too stupid |
| 18:18.32 | inemo | I just want the OS X Finder from my OS X install |
| 18:18.35 | tarzeau | inemo: no no no you want GNUstep GWorkspace.app |
| 18:18.36 | inemo | is that not possib;e? |
| 18:18.37 | hybrid_goth | can debian run on my PPC dell |
| 18:18.41 | inemo | tarzeau: I know what I want |
| 18:18.45 | resiak | !ppc |
| 18:18.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 18:18.47 | adaran | inemo, sorry to hear that |
| 18:18.48 | jeffro | inemo apt-get is a essential program for debian |
| 18:18.52 | tarzeau | inemo: then no. it's not possible |
| 18:18.57 | inemo | tarzeau: thats crap |
| 18:19.03 | tarzeau | inemo: if you want OPENSTEP, i can point you to an url |
| 18:19.03 | resiak | !ddasmite pachi |
| 18:19.04 | hybrid_goth | what about dell ppc |
| 18:19.15 | tarzeau | hybrid_goth: since when has dell ppc? |
| 18:19.20 | inemo | you spend all this time building an OS that's "good" and it can't even run the OS X finder. |
| 18:19.24 | black13 | hybrid_goth ... what is a hybrid/goth part speed metal part ??? |
| 18:19.25 | inemo | how l4m3 |
| 18:19.31 | lindenle | lindenle |
| 18:19.32 | hybrid_goth | it said it was a powerfull pc thats ppc right? |
| 18:19.32 | goccia | jeffro: apt-get is debian :)) |
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| 18:19.41 | Phated | inemo: I thought you said #rh was more helpful. Why don't you ask -them-? |
| 18:19.44 | goccia | i love it |
| 18:19.46 | jeffro | yup thats what makes debian so easy |
| 18:19.47 | ribnitz | inemo: it doesnt need to. |
| 18:19.54 | inemo | Phated: they're worse at help than you lot |
| 18:19.56 | hybrid_goth | black13: HUH? |
| 18:20.01 | nse | Nautilus is crashing when started. What to do? |
| 18:20.05 | ribnitz | Phated: greetings to the free world. :) |
| 18:20.10 | inemo | ribnitz: if it doesn't run OS X Finder then how can it be called an OS? |
| 18:20.12 | jeffro | i just type in apt-get install VisualBoyAdvance and i have my favorite emulator |
| 18:20.21 | black13 | hybrid_goth just being strange attention seeking behavior |
| 18:20.21 | Phated | inemo: Calling a collective group lamers doesn't help your case. |
| 18:20.24 | inemo | wtf is this apt-get shit? |
| 18:20.25 | hybrid_goth | what version is debian up to? |
| 18:20.26 | resiak | nse: Move your .gnome stuff out the way, try again. Run it from a console, see what the error is. |
| 18:20.28 | jeffro | and in other linux/gnu's you have to compile |
| 18:20.30 | adaran | jeffro, my favorite emulator is vmware, because it plays starcraft =) |
| 18:20.32 | Phated | ribnitz: /msg? There's a qotd I don't want to paste in here. :) |
| 18:20.37 | jeffro | of course |
| 18:20.37 | hybrid_goth | is debian Y2k compatiable? |
| 18:20.38 | inemo | Phated: well just answer my question then |
| 18:20.48 | ribnitz | inemo: there are worse things than that, and they are also calles OS. |
| 18:20.48 | inemo | yeah does it run after 2000? |
| 18:20.51 | adaran | hybrid_goth, i don't think it is. |
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| 18:20.55 | Phated | inemo: Whatever for? I'm simply enjoying watching you make a fool of yourseld. |
| 18:20.56 | resiak | tarzeau: :) |
| 18:20.58 | inemo | adaran: that really is crap then |
| 18:20.59 | hybrid_goth | ah ok |
| 18:21.00 | adaran | hybrid_goth, but, since the year 2000 is over, you won't run into problems |
| 18:21.02 | ribnitz | Phated: ok. no probs with me. :) |
| 18:21.08 | hybrid_goth | adaran: nice! |
| 18:21.10 | inemo | doesn't run OS X finder, and doesn't work in the year 2k |
| 18:21.13 | hybrid_goth | what about 2038?? |
| 18:21.15 | inemo | HOW DUMB ARE YOU PEOPLE? |
| 18:21.25 | adaran | inemo, we adapt quickly =) |
| 18:21.31 | hybrid_goth | isnt all unix going to crash in 2038 |
| 18:21.43 | inemo | adaran: well you're a few years late |
| 18:21.47 | adaran | hybrid_goth, scary, isn't it? |
| 18:21.58 | inemo | did ya'll just stop using debain during 2k? |
| 18:21.59 | hybrid_goth | adaran: what? |
| 18:22.05 | hybrid_goth | yall patxhed it right? |
| 18:22.07 | jeffro | by that time, i bet there is a fix to that |
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| 18:22.14 | adaran | hybrid_goth, the big y2.038k crash |
| 18:22.17 | inemo | 2038 is like 2nmoro |
| 18:22.23 | adaran | jeffro, wrong |
| 18:22.23 | stew | !ops inemo is a troll |
| 18:22.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: inemo is a troll |
| 18:22.26 | adaran | there will be no fix |
| 18:22.33 | hybrid_goth | NONE?!?!?!? |
| 18:22.36 | adaran | but you can buy one of my y2.038 survival kits |
| 18:22.37 | zippp | any tcp experts? have a problem with tcp win size and connection resets |
| 18:22.41 | nse | resiak: Ok, I'll do this. That is the first error that appear before the naitulus crash: The Application "nautilus-audio-view" has quit unexpectedly. |
| 18:22.43 | inemo | !ops, i'm not a troll, just trying to ind info |
| 18:23.04 | helix | inemo: just stop please |
| 18:23.08 | resiak | nse: Run nautilus from a console, and see what it spews into that. |
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| 18:23.16 | jeffro | !ops tell inemo about how to use these functions |
| 18:23.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: tell inemo about how to use these functions |
| 18:23.18 | hybrid_goth | helix: isnt that the FOSS real? |
| 18:23.18 | resiak | !tell zippp about ask |
| 18:23.21 | helix | oh ffs |
| 18:23.22 | stew | jeffro: stop |
| 18:23.25 | inemo | helix: so how do I install my ps2 copy of gt3 into debian to play it? |
| 18:23.32 | helix | inemo: I don't know? |
| 18:23.33 | adaran | hybrid_goth, containing a lot of canned food, a tent and enough lead to build your own anti-radiation vest, they're a steal at $9999 a piece |
| 18:23.41 | inemo | helix: well thats crap |
| 18:23.43 | helix | hybrid_goth: what? |
| 18:23.44 | inemo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.46 | jeffro | inemo there isnt a single ps2 emulator |
| 18:23.48 | hybrid_goth | adaran: ROFLMFAO |
| 18:23.50 | adaran | inemo, use the os x finder to install gt3 |
| 18:23.50 | helix | ok well |
| 18:23.52 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 18:23.53 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@81-178-13-208.dsl.pipex.com] by helix |
| 18:23.53 | *** part/#debian inemo (~inemo@81-178-13-208.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 18:23.53 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 18:23.57 | stew | helix: thanks |
| 18:24.03 | resiak | !cake helix |
| 18:24.05 | resiak | :( |
| 18:24.10 | zippp | can anyone tell why this ssh session is dying: http://pastebin.ca/18725 |
| 18:24.17 | hybrid_goth | i want !cake |
| 18:24.17 | zippp | it seems the win size just keeps growing |
| 18:24.23 | Phated | !vegan helix ? |
| 18:24.26 | Phated | :) |
| 18:24.31 | adaran | helix, you killed the entertainment for tonight! =) |
| 18:24.33 | helix | it ma be vegansnack? |
| 18:24.36 | tarzeau | zippp: gnome terminal? |
| 18:24.37 | TonyRad | I've got a quick question.. I've got a samba file server running. I need to access some folders of users who are no longer using the system. How can I override the folder permissions? |
| 18:24.38 | adaran | helix, err, banned rather |
| 18:24.42 | tag | helix: ever set up virtual private servers? |
| 18:24.48 | helix | adaran: you need more sophisticated entertainment |
| 18:24.52 | helix | tag: no |
| 18:24.53 | zippp | tarzeau, no this is a tcp issue |
| 18:25.06 | tarzeau | TonyRad: can you not use nfs? |
| 18:25.14 | adaran | helix, probably. but i only had 10 minutes to kill until my mp3s (thanks again) finished encoding |
| 18:25.16 | tag | helix: weak |
| 18:25.17 | jeffro | people, is there a keyboard emulator for joystick availble for debian? |
| 18:25.19 | TonyRad | What do you mean tarvok? |
| 18:25.19 | tag | I got a cool new job |
| 18:25.20 | resiak | zippp: That's a _really_ unhelpful paste. We have no way of knowing what the computers each are running, or what exactly you're trying to do. |
| 18:25.21 | helix | tag: bite me |
| 18:25.21 | hybrid_goth | well thanks all i got to find a Y2K able OS |
| 18:25.24 | tag | why |
| 18:25.25 | tarzeau | zippp: how much seconds/minutes later does it die? |
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| 18:25.25 | helix | tag: another one? |
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| 18:25.32 | tag | helix: ok, I will. |
| 18:25.37 | tag | helix: Yes, another one |
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| 18:25.44 | tag | this one is much cooler because I can wear jeans to work |
| 18:25.45 | helix | tag: doing what? |
| 18:25.46 | tag | and sandals |
| 18:25.48 | helix | yay jeans |
| 18:25.48 | Phated | jeffro: The arrow keys. |
| 18:25.48 | tag | and a t-shirt |
| 18:25.49 | zippp | resiak, linux 2.4.26, trying to ssh from one box to the other |
| 18:25.51 | helix | sandals ain't gangsta |
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| 18:25.57 | zippp | tarzeau, about 15 seconds |
| 18:25.57 | tag | yeah they are |
| 18:25.58 | black13 | y2k was more about applications not O/S ... |
| 18:26.00 | zippp | give or take some |
| 18:26.05 | resiak | zippp: Don't tell me, I'm not very well-versed. |
| 18:26.05 | adaran | allright, bye ya'll |
| 18:26.07 | tag | flip-flop type sandals |
| 18:26.17 | tag | they are *mad* gangsta |
| 18:26.17 | helix | tag: what kinda job is it? |
| 18:26.18 | jeffro | phated i mean when i press a button on my joystick it emulates the leter m for example |
| 18:26.23 | tag | Sr. SE |
| 18:26.23 | helix | and yeah I wear that stuff to work too, it rocks |
| 18:26.26 | tarzeau | zippp: can you run ssh verbosely? could it be bad/out of memory on a side? |
| 18:26.27 | helix | ah cool |
| 18:26.33 | tag | yeah |
| 18:26.35 | goccia | watching all this from here listening to b52 make me reallly really happy :) |
| 18:26.36 | Phated | jeffro: <shrug> |
| 18:26.42 | tag | You know, psuedo-management |
| 18:26.43 | tag | hehe |
| 18:26.45 | helix | heh |
| 18:26.54 | zippp | tarzeau, no all persistent tcp connections fail, even when using these systems as routers |
| 18:26.58 | zippp | not a mem issue |
| 18:26.59 | tag | its cool |
| 18:27.01 | TonyRad | Can anyone help me with how to override folder permissions? |
| 18:27.10 | jeffro | or you must know how t configure joysticks in VisualBoyAdvance |
| 18:27.12 | tag | I'm the lead of one of our two OSS teams. |
| 18:27.15 | resiak | TonyRad: man chmod; man chown; what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:27.19 | tarzeau | zippp: do you run anything firewall like? anything else between the two computers/cables? |
| 18:27.32 | zippp | tarzeau, no |
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| 18:27.33 | goccia | TonyRad: use recursion -R |
| 18:27.50 | zippp | this is a tcp issue, look at the tcpdump, the win size shouldn't grow like that |
| 18:28.00 | resiak | TonyRad: Oh, I just scrolled up. Do you have root on this box? If not, you can't circumvent the permissions --- that's the whole point. |
| 18:28.05 | nse | resiak: that is the only output i receive in the console: (nautilus:2900): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme directory scalable/emblems of theme Flat-Blue has no size field |
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| 18:28.09 | TonyRad | I am root |
| 18:28.18 | resiak | TonyRad: On the samba server ? |
| 18:28.21 | tarzeau | zippp: well i give up then. can you post your tcp settings? sysctl -a ? |
| 18:28.21 | TonyRad | Yes |
| 18:28.25 | goccia | the almighty root ? |
| 18:28.30 | resiak | TonyRad: Then just look at the files. |
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| 18:28.41 | tarzeau | zippp: is that debian systems? both? openssh? |
| 18:28.43 | tag | yay vps |
| 18:28.50 | tag | even though jail would have been sufficient |
| 18:28.55 | TonyRad | I need to copy them to another server though |
| 18:29.00 | zippp | tarzeau, pebble linux |
| 18:29.04 | zippp | based from debian |
| 18:29.14 | tarzeau | !base on debian |
| 18:29.15 | Phated | #pebble? |
| 18:29.21 | TonyRad | And I can't view them as administrator on that server |
| 18:29.21 | Phated | tarzeau: !based on |
| 18:29.27 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 18:29.27 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 18:29.37 | resiak | nse: Have you tried logging out, moving ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf* away , then logging back in? |
| 18:29.55 | nse | resiak: Yes I have. |
| 18:29.58 | zippp | http://pastebin.ca/18727 <-- sysctl -a |
| 18:29.59 | resiak | TonyRad: Well, if you don't have permission to put them onto the second server, then you, erm, can't, which is the whole point. |
| 18:30.06 | Yokalosh | i want to add my windows drive in fstab so it is readable and writable by all, is this suitable? : /dev/hda1 /media/Windows vfat rwx,rwx,rwx 0 0 |
| 18:30.11 | resiak | nse: Create a new user, and see if it happens to them too? |
| 18:30.11 | nse | resiak: But I'll try it more one time. |
| 18:30.18 | resiak | !tell Yokalosh -about vfatrw |
| 18:30.19 | TonyRad | How can I create permissions to do so |
| 18:30.34 | nse | resiak: I logged in as root, things went just fine. It's a configuration problem. |
| 18:30.44 | resiak | nse: Try a new user? |
| 18:31.14 | nse | resiak: No. Is there a diference between a root user and a normal user in this case? |
| 18:31.20 | Yokalosh | resiak that is confusing :S |
| 18:31.25 | resiak | Yokalosh: It's also right. |
| 18:31.37 | TonyRad | I mean, is there a file somewher I can edit which contains a list of folders which are public and private? |
| 18:31.47 | Yokalosh | but i dont understand it :S |
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| 18:31.57 | resiak | TonyRad: /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 18:32.22 | abrotman | nse: root is different than a common user .. it's like superman vs. the bus driver |
| 18:32.38 | jeffro | rofl |
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| 18:32.39 | Yokalosh | sorry i do understand it |
| 18:32.40 | jeffro | !rofl |
| 18:32.41 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 18:32.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, rofl is Rolling Over Fat Lesbian |
| 18:32.43 | goccia | lol |
| 18:32.50 | jeffro | !lol |
| 18:32.50 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a ubuntu user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 18:33.02 | resiak | Yokalosh: What's your user id and group id? Use `id` to find out if you don't know. Then just substitute those in, and replace /dev/partition and /mount/point with the correct ones for you, and you're done. |
| 18:33.02 | abrotman | !tell jeffro about botabuse |
| 18:33.09 | Coyctecm | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.17 | jeffro | i dont abuse the bot |
| 18:33.24 | Phated | jeffro: Oh, yes you do. |
| 18:33.25 | Coyctecm | chkrootkit warns about that? should I worry? |
| 18:33.30 | resiak | Coyctecm: dhclient isn't a packet sniffer, it's a dhcp client |
| 18:33.34 | resiak | man dhclient |
| 18:33.34 | jeffro | i wanted to know if !rofl existed |
| 18:33.36 | Tenkawa | Any of you run debian on a umsdos filesystem? |
| 18:33.38 | goccia | chkrootkit lies |
| 18:33.45 | abrotman | jeffro: /msg dpkg moron |
| 18:33.46 | Coyctecm | ok =) |
| 18:33.47 | abrotman | err .. |
| 18:33.47 | stew | jeffro: /msg the bot or play in #debian-bots |
| 18:33.49 | Phated | jeffro: Then /msg the bot. |
| 18:33.50 | abrotman | well .. you get the idea |
| 18:34.13 | *** part/#debian zippp (~zip@63.98.170.221) |
| 18:34.17 | jeffro | well im sorry, i dont see a rule from keep me using the bot |
| 18:34.28 | POVaddict | isnt umsdos dead? |
| 18:34.34 | Tenkawa | POVaddict: nope |
| 18:34.37 | abrotman | jeffro: then keep abusing the bot .. |
| 18:34.44 | Tenkawa | usb flash drive distribsutions rely on it mostly |
| 18:34.46 | black13 | who uses umsdos? |
| 18:34.47 | goccia | i use chkrootkit and i spent hal of my life chasing ghosts : i home sometimes to be really owned |
| 18:34.54 | goccia | hope* |
| 18:34.57 | jeffro | i dont want to abuse i just wanted to check |
| 18:35.00 | Tenkawa | black13: I am running it currently |
| 18:35.13 | Tenkawa | on another box |
| 18:35.14 | POVaddict | Tenkawa: i'd rather use ext2 in a loop mounted file |
| 18:35.15 | black13 | Tenkawa for what kind of project? |
| 18:35.16 | stew | jeffro: /msg dpkg guidelines for the channel guidelines which includes /msg the bot |
| 18:35.21 | Tenkawa | router |
| 18:35.26 | stew | jeffro: you were told to read these guidelines when you /joined |
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| 18:35.31 | Tenkawa | POVaddict: usb flash drives are picky what they can boot |
| 18:35.49 | jeffro | yeah but i wanted everyone to now what rfl means here |
| 18:35.52 | black13 | Tenkawa are you talking about the file system or the the OS |
| 18:35.53 | Tenkawa | although yeah I cou;d create a one file umsdos image and mount it |
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| 18:36.16 | Tenkawa | black13: well getting umsdos to run is easy. Just wondering if anyone's installed debian to one |
| 18:36.18 | stew | jeffro: nobody asked |
| 18:36.36 | Tenkawa | I use slack via umsdos currently |
| 18:36.44 | jeffro | well when someone says lol there is somebody who does a !lol |
| 18:37.06 | black13 | Tenkawa so its slackware linux on top of umsdos file system? |
| 18:37.10 | Tenkawa | black13: yup |
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| 18:37.31 | Tenkawa | the problem is most of the usb distributions have too much junk in them |
| 18:37.35 | Tenkawa | so I spend more time cleaning |
| 18:37.48 | Tenkawa | debian is nice because I can start off barebone. |
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| 18:37.51 | sly007 | How do I get entries in /dev/loop? I need to mount -o loop a filesystem. |
| 18:38.13 | black13 | Tenkawa i see i thought you meant the umsdos O/S i gather it existed at one time |
| 18:38.18 | Tenkawa | sly007: do you have loop compiled/moduled in? |
| 18:38.20 | stew | sly007: modprobe loop |
| 18:38.40 | Tenkawa | black13: oh sorry bout that. Should have been more specific |
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| 18:39.06 | sly007 | Tenkawa, stew, it seems that it is not compiled. Anyone knows under which section is is in menuconfig? |
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| 18:39.15 | Tenkawa | blockl devices I think |
| 18:39.18 | Tenkawa | err block |
| 18:39.26 | POVaddict | sly007: cat /proc/devices | grep loop |
| 18:39.27 | Tenkawa | without looking of course |
| 18:39.29 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 18:39.53 | black13 | Tenkawa do you build this router yourself? |
| 18:39.59 | Tenkawa | black13: yeah |
| 18:40.09 | sly007 | POVaddict, mo entries |
| 18:40.10 | Tenkawa | works well.. I am just not a big fan of slackware |
| 18:40.11 | stew | sly007: either block devices or filesystems don't remember which |
| 18:40.24 | POVaddict | sly007: so you don't have loop support in kernel |
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| 18:40.34 | POVaddict | sly007: try "modprobe loop" |
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| 18:40.45 | black13 | Tenkawa i am working on an embedded system its based on ubuntu/sarge ... |
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| 18:41.04 | Tenkawa | black13: nice |
| 18:41.06 | Yokalosh | i can't unmount my windows drive for some reason, it says the device is busy |
| 18:41.08 | POVaddict | sly007: if that fails, you need to change the kernel config and recompile modules |
| 18:41.10 | Yokalosh | got any ideas? |
| 18:41.15 | M4hd1 | anyone knows a good burning software for gnome to duplicate dvds? |
| 18:41.23 | goccia | Yokalosh: kde ? |
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| 18:41.31 | Yokalosh | i'm using gnome |
| 18:41.44 | Tenkawa | Yokalosh: you tried fuser -cu on it? |
| 18:41.52 | Yokalosh | no, how do i do it? |
| 18:41.53 | Tenkawa | err -mu |
| 18:42.01 | black13 | Tenkawa i put everyting in an iso image but i am interesed in using a compact flash or how useing compact flash |
| 18:42.02 | Tenkawa | fuser -mu /mountpoint |
| 18:42.10 | Tenkawa | that will tell you whats holding it up |
| 18:42.37 | resiak | M4hd1: gnomebaker? |
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| 18:43.08 | jeffro | wow i found a nice program: synaptic ^_^ |
| 18:43.16 | jeffro | great for n00bs like me |
| 18:43.32 | Tenkawa | oh boy |
| 18:44.10 | M4hd1 | resiak, tkz =D i'll try it |
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| 18:44.23 | resiak | Woah |
| 18:44.26 | Tenkawa | jeffro: what apt-get is not easy enough? |
| 18:44.28 | ijurisic | hi |
| 18:44.33 | ijurisic | I have error in kppp |
| 18:44.41 | resiak | I have seen all kinds of retarded ways to say thanks, but never before tkz. |
| 18:44.52 | ijurisic | Exit status: 15 |
| 18:44.55 | ijurisic | Exit status: 15 in kppp |
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| 18:45.08 | ijurisic | What is 15 err. no. in kppp? |
| 18:45.16 | black13 | Tenkawa i use deboostrap to create a basic image of the debian packages i need then copy selectvie using rsynch then chop i t channel it and make it into a clown car! |
| 18:45.19 | Tenkawa | 15 is hangup signal usually |
| 18:45.21 | Tenkawa | errr |
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| 18:45.43 | Tenkawa | terminate |
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| 18:46.02 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.22 | ijurisic | Tenkawa: but error "The link was terminated because the peer is not responding to echo requests." |
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| 18:46.31 | resiak | Well then YOU HAVE YOUR ERROR |
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| 18:46.34 | jeffro | what is the latest kde version? |
| 18:46.35 | ijurisic | Tenkawa: How to fix that error? |
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| 18:46.42 | resiak | Gods, why is it so hard to ask a good question? |
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| 18:46.50 | goccia | jeffro: 3.4.1 |
| 18:46.58 | jeffro | wow need a newer version |
| 18:47.01 | jeffro | i got 3.3 |
| 18:47.04 | scorphus | hi, besides mutt, what email program can I use on console? |
| 18:47.11 | ijurisic | in log file I see ...Jul 28 20:30:18 localhost pppd[3515]: No response to 4 echo-requests |
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| 18:47.23 | ijurisic | Tenkawa: Jul 28 20:30:18 localhost pppd[3515]: No response to 4 echo-requests how to fix? |
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| 18:47.49 | ijurisic | etc .. Jul 28 20:28:48 localhost pppd[3515]: appear to have received our own echo-reply |
| 18:47.54 | SquareRt | what's the highest transfer rate on a single 10krpm ultra160 (aka ultra3) drive? I'm looking to get hold of a controller cheaply for my (tentative link here) debian machine |
| 18:48.08 | stew | jeffro: 3.3 is the latest version in debian |
| 18:48.16 | ijurisic | Tenkawa: My link work cc 2 min then...Jul 28 20:30:18 localhost pppd[3515]: Sent 33190 bytes, received 210637 bytes |
| 18:48.17 | nse | resiak: Nothing worked, and I lost all my configurations. |
| 18:48.24 | ijurisic | Tenkawa: Jul 28 20:30:18 localhost pppd[3515]: Connection terminated. |
| 18:48.28 | Tenkawa | sounds like your ppp connection is bad |
| 18:48.34 | Tenkawa | noise on your line possibly |
| 18:48.43 | resiak | nse: Dude, you didn't just delete them did you? That's why I said to move them away. |
| 18:48.58 | ijurisic | Tenkawa: I use vodafone (GSM) no noise that is dig. |
| 18:48.59 | resiak | !tell scorphus -about search |
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| 18:49.06 | HagGis | any1 in UK here with a goooood apt-get sources.list mine is corrupt |
| 18:49.10 | resiak | scorphus: (but why would you want to use anything other than mutt?) |
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| 18:49.15 | resiak | HagGis: apt-setup |
| 18:49.29 | HagGis | ok resiak |
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| 18:49.42 | jeffro | strange |
| 18:49.51 | jeffro | there isnt a newer kde to download |
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| 18:49.58 | jeffro | it says i have the latest |
| 18:50.09 | scorphus | resiak: thx (think I'll have to man mutt a lot then) |
| 18:50.25 | nse | resiak: I didn't delete them. mv .gnome .gnome-bak logged in, nothing worked, them i logged out and mv .gnome-bak .gnome but that's not whats seems to be looking at my desktop. all the configs in the panels are lost. I don't know why. |
| 18:50.36 | pusling | jeffro: you need to go experimental to get newer kde. and that is not supported in here. |
| 18:50.48 | jeffro | oh ok |
| 18:50.51 | jeffro | then its fine |
| 18:50.52 | resiak | scorphus: Uhm, there are plenty of examples on the net. |
| 18:51.01 | goccia | jeffro: i've downloaded from alioth time ago |
| 18:51.01 | resiak | nse: Did you do anything to .gconf* ? |
| 18:51.13 | jeffro | got2go for a wgile |
| 18:51.14 | pusling | (but kde 3.4 rocks) |
| 18:51.14 | jeffro | while |
| 18:51.18 | jeffro | see you later |
| 18:51.19 | pusling | jeffro: thanx |
| 18:51.26 | jeffro | !!! |
| 18:51.26 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 18:51.31 | jeffro | dont hate me! |
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| 18:51.50 | resiak | nse: If not, then you should try moving those away too. |
| 18:52.11 | bigcx2_ | anybody have experience with dput? |
| 18:52.15 | resiak | !anyone know |
| 18:52.15 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 18:52.18 | resiak | !tell bigcx2_ -about ask |
| 18:52.19 | Tharkis | ok what FM do I have to RT to figure out how to change the screen size in console? |
| 18:53.38 | nse | resiak: I did the same thing with .gnome2 and .gconf |
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| 18:53.48 | ribnitz | Tharkis: much as I try, my 19" monitor stays 19". |
| 18:53.49 | goccia | nse: try a diff from those old *.bak and the brand new ones |
| 18:53.51 | resiak | nse: *shrug* I think you missed one. :) |
| 18:54.10 | resiak | nse: I can't think of anything else to try. Did you try a new user? Did it work for them? |
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| 18:54.25 | goccia | i guess gnoe rewrite them |
| 18:54.29 | Tharkis | ribnitz, hah my 21 inch is the same.. guess there's some things linux just can't do |
| 18:54.46 | nse | goccia: I don't have the old -bak 's anymore, I just mv them. |
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| 18:55.02 | resiak | Tharkis: try appending vga=791 to your kernel boot line. |
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| 18:55.23 | goccia | nse: those moved |
| 18:55.25 | c01100011 | what file do i setup so i can ping by name on my network ? |
| 18:55.40 | resiak | c01100011: You need to have a dns server. |
| 18:55.50 | goccia | nse: you get new config after you login ? |
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| 18:56.51 | ncick | hi, i have apache2 installed in my new debian server.. i want install also latest mysql serv and php support.. |
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| 18:56.56 | ncick | how to do it |
| 18:57.01 | nse | goccia: Yes. A completely clean and new one. I lost everything, but it'll be fun to make it all again! :( |
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| 18:57.21 | Gathond | install mysql-server and php4 packages, those are the newest ones in debian |
| 18:57.25 | resiak | ncick: apt-cache search --names-only php; apt-cache search --names-only mysql; install stuff. |
| 18:57.30 | goccia | nse: so check with diff if they are really new |
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| 18:57.57 | nse | resiak: I didn't try a new user. Don't know how to crate them al all, have to search first. Give a moment. |
| 18:58.17 | ncick | Gathond: appget install mysql-server apt-get install php4 ? |
| 18:58.35 | ncick | Gathond: apt-get install mysql-server && apt-get install php4 ? |
| 18:58.38 | ncick | like this :) ? |
| 18:58.58 | resiak | nse: man adduser :) |
| 18:58.59 | nse | goccia: diff between which and which? I just have one set of configuration files, my backups were moved to the original place, but something happened which I don't know what that makes everything clean. |
| 18:59.00 | Gathond | ncick: I think aptitude is the suggested tool now, but otherwise that will work, but you dont need 2 times apt-get |
| 18:59.06 | aacosta | Hi, can any of you tell me whereis ld.so.conf in Debian??? it's not in /etc |
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| 18:59.15 | struggler_ | Using 2.6.8-2smp kernel, both cpus show in dmesg, but only one cpu in gnome-system-monitor... which do I believe and/or which is broken? |
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| 18:59.41 | ncick | Gathond: how that work |
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| 19:00.14 | lindenle | go |
| 19:00.19 | Gathond | ncick: aptitude mostly I have found, is syntax equivalent to apt-get when used from the command line |
| 19:00.33 | ncick | Gathond: i have that installed allready |
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| 19:01.01 | ncick | Gathond: let me test it :) aptitude mysql-server && php4 ? |
| 19:01.29 | Gathond | ncick: no, syntax equivalent, aptitude install package1 package2 ... packagen |
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| 19:02.08 | ncick | Gathond: so like this aptitude install mysql-server php4 ? |
| 19:02.19 | Gathond | ncick: yes |
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| 19:03.08 | leo2 | resiak, Yes Nautilus works just fine for this new user. |
| 19:03.26 | resiak | leo2: So you've got some buggered configs. |
| 19:03.54 | nse | resiak, What to do then? |
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| 19:04.20 | gLoB` | Hi... can anyone direct me to a resource/tutorial that gives detailed information with regards to debugging core dumps using gdb ? |
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| 19:04.42 | resiak | nse: I'm 100% certain that you didn't move all your gnomish config out of the way ... but I'd say prod gconf. |
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| 19:04.53 | fhffhqvb | !fgi gLoB` resource/tutorial that gives detailed information with regards to debugging core dumps using gdb ? |
| 19:04.54 | dpkg | gLoB`: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=resource/tutorial that gives detailed information with regards to debugging core dumps using gdb |
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| 19:05.09 | exobyte | How bad of an idea is it to use a module with different kernel version? The module is older |
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| 19:05.16 | struggler_ | Using 2.6.8-2smp kernel, both cpus show in dmesg, but only one cpu in gnome-system-monitor... which do I believe and/or which is broken? |
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| 19:05.38 | ralf | !pita |
| 19:05.39 | dpkg | pita is, like, pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 19:05.49 | thingfish | struggler_: I see the same on my system. I tend to believe dmesg. |
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| 19:06.25 | ribnitz | Has smartd been adapted to cope with new sata features ? |
| 19:06.27 | lvdsn | hello |
| 19:06.31 | lvdsn | hello |
| 19:06.37 | lvdsn | I need help about |
| 19:06.38 | struggler_ | thingfish: I couldn't find where it was a reported bug anywhere.... |
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| 19:07.02 | nse | resiak, Let me go back to my normal user, this user is very ugly. |
| 19:07.04 | thingfish | struggler_: I'm looking now at bugs.debian.org/gnome-system-monitor |
| 19:07.05 | ncick | evv :( i just installed apache2 mysql-server php4 and phpmyadmin. I cant loggin from phpmyadmin in my mysql databases, What is my pass? |
| 19:07.09 | lvdsn | the packages that are in each one of the SARGE's cds |
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| 19:07.14 | lvdsn | please |
| 19:07.18 | struggler_ | thingfish: thanks... |
| 19:07.23 | Fuwex | I need some kind of a wireless usb hub... Like, to connect to a USB device over a wireless network... I haven't had much luck googling yet, and I was wondering if somebody here has got any knowledge on the subject? |
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| 19:07.37 | aacosta | Hi, can any of you tell me whereis ld.so.conf in Debian??? it's not in /etc |
| 19:07.44 | fhffhqvb | lvdsn: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 19:07.49 | lvdsn | i download the .jigdo files |
| 19:07.59 | resiak | ncick: You chose it during the mysql install |
| 19:08.08 | PerfDave | Fuwex: I believe there are bluetooth devices for this, though bluetooth is insecure. |
| 19:08.20 | lvdsn | fhffhqvb, but I need a list of the packages by SARGE's CD |
| 19:08.28 | fhffhqvb | aacosta: yes it is |
| 19:08.29 | fhffhqvb | lvdsn: and it's there. |
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| 19:08.35 | Fuwex | PerfDave, security isn't so important, just a small project at home. |
| 19:08.47 | thingfish | I don't see anything regarding this issue, though. |
| 19:08.54 | lvdsn | fhffhqvb, but how ? |
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| 19:09.08 | ncick | resiak: it didnt ask anythink about password |
| 19:09.13 | lvdsn | fhffhqvb, someone explain to me that I need the .jigdo files |
| 19:09.13 | nse | resiak: There is no problem in loosing my configs. It's ok for me to do them all again. My real problem is nautilus. |
| 19:09.55 | PerfDave | Fuwex: Well, it depends what the devices you want to connect are really. If you use bluetooth, the connection can basically be owned by anyone within a mile or so. |
| 19:09.59 | lvdsn | fhffhqvb, and there is, in the [part] |
| 19:10.00 | aacosta | fhffhqvb, you mean I can create /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig and it should work? |
| 19:10.03 | struggler_ | thingfish: so you will file a bug report then? |
| 19:10.15 | lvdsn | what do you thing ? |
| 19:10.17 | resiak | nse: Right. So logout; log into a console; cd; mkdir aoeu; mv .g{conf,confd,gnome}* aoeu/; log out; log into gnome. |
| 19:10.37 | fhffhqvb | aacosta: if you don't have an /etc/ld.so.conf you're not running debian |
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| 19:10.45 | fhffhqvb | !faq |
| 19:10.45 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:10.48 | thingfish | struggler_: maybe, but not just yet. |
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| 19:11.18 | struggler_ | thingfish: ok, thanks |
| 19:11.20 | nse | resiak: OK. |
| 19:11.25 | stew | resiak: you use dvorak? |
| 19:11.29 | lvdsn | hello |
| 19:11.34 | lvdsn | I need help about |
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| 19:11.40 | lvdsn | the packages that are in each one of the SARGE's cds |
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| 19:12.02 | thingfish | struggler_: you're using sarge? |
| 19:12.11 | struggler_ | thingfish: yes. |
| 19:12.24 | thingfish | ok, just checking. |
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| 19:12.39 | resiak | stew: You're very observant, congratulations! I was wondering if anyone would notice. |
| 19:12.46 | resiak | stew: You do too? |
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| 19:13.12 | Mousenray | i wanted to know about installing debian. is it like the installation of gentoo, or is the installation based on graphics |
| 19:13.31 | resiak | Mousenray: It's text, but nothing at all like that of Gentoo. It's really easy. |
| 19:13.34 | Fuwex | PerfDave, it's just a webcam, but I can't just have a long cable, as it's going to reside outside of our house, and the cables can't go through walls |
| 19:13.42 | Mousenray | ok thanks |
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| 19:13.55 | Phated | Fuwex: It can go around. |
| 19:14.18 | lauro | I don't speak inglish |
| 19:14.37 | stew | resiak: i've spent some time with dvorak7min, but i'm not proficient enough yet |
| 19:14.39 | resiak | !br |
| 19:14.40 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:14.45 | lvdsn | someone who helps me ? please |
| 19:14.52 | PerfDave | Fuwex: You can get webcams with built-in 802.11b |
| 19:14.55 | lauro | ok |
| 19:14.59 | stew | resiak: how long ago did you switch? |
| 19:15.09 | Fuwex | PerfDave, ;o Are they expensive? |
| 19:15.19 | lvdsn | dpkg, do you nkow how to make a list of the packages of each SARGE's cd ? |
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| 19:15.39 | PerfDave | Fuwex: No idea :) |
| 19:15.53 | resiak | stew: Just go cold turkey. I tried about three times to switch, and failed, then the fourth time just forced myself through the first week and then it was fine. About a month now. It can be really inconvenient, particularly at work when I have to type on other people's computers. |
| 19:16.02 | Coyctecm | do I need antivirus for my debian desktop? |
| 19:16.10 | Coyctecm | is there viruses for linux? |
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| 19:16.17 | resiak | Coyctecm: Basically, no. |
| 19:16.34 | nse | resiak: This is not working, I did this many time. It didn't work. |
| 19:16.40 | Gathond | Coyctecm: very few, and none really succesfull ones, so dont bother |
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| 19:16.44 | stew | resiak: do you type faster or slower or the same as you did on qwerty a month ago? |
| 19:16.47 | resiak | nse: Meh, I don't know. Mess around with your dotfiles. |
| 19:16.50 | Fuwex | PerfDave, okay, thanks for your help, I'll do some searching |
| 19:16.55 | lvdsn | I need help about the packages that are in each one of the SARGE's cds |
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| 19:17.12 | resiak | stew: About the same, but it's much more comfortable. I would say don't switch for speed (I didn't) but switch for comfort (I am developing RSI). |
| 19:17.22 | PerfDave | lvdsn: Why are you saying SARGE instead of capitals? It's "Sarge". And what do you want to know? |
| 19:17.35 | nse | resiak: to mess around with my dot files? this mean nothing to me :) I just don't know what to do now |
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| 19:17.50 | Phated | Walk... walk. I have heard of this... walk. |
| 19:17.51 | lvdsn | PerfDave, so sorry |
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| 19:18.24 | lvdsn | PerfDave, i need the list of packages who are in each Sarge's cd, do you know how can I get it ? |
| 19:18.38 | Ronin | lvdsn: i have to ask but why do you need that list? |
| 19:18.43 | lvdsn | PerfDave, i used the .jigdo file |
| 19:19.53 | lvdsn | Ronin, because, I have the 14 cd's of the distro, and when I need some package i just go to that cd |
| 19:19.55 | tarzeau | who was it that had that turkish girlfriend in here |
| 19:20.12 | resiak | nse: In your home directory, there are lots of files and directories starting with . which makes them hidden (ish). They have configuration stuffs in them. You want to figure out where that is wrong, basically. |
| 19:20.12 | PerfDave | lvdsn: You've downloaded all 14 CDs? |
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| 19:20.20 | lvdsn | PerfDave, yes |
| 19:20.24 | joesbox | lvdsn: why not run /usr/sbin/base-config to get all of the cd's in your sources list... comment out the "online" servers and then apt-get update; apt-cache -l |
| 19:20.26 | tarzeau | here's the woman that my friend couldn't get, heh http://raptoid.yer6.org/kan1.jpg |
| 19:20.27 | Ronin | lvdsn: its probibly on debian.org somewhere but i think your the first person ive talked to do get all the cds |
| 19:20.30 | emRick | is there an app to convert regular jpeg images into exif images that I could download to my digital camera? |
| 19:20.34 | PerfDave | lvdsn: Have you added them all to your sources.list with apt-cdrom? |
| 19:20.55 | joesbox | is that right? ----> apt-cache -l |
| 19:21.03 | LSorensen | lvdsn: apt-get will just ask you to insert cd #whaetever when you ask for a package |
| 19:21.17 | LSorensen | lvdsn: if you used apt-cdrom to add all 14 to the package index |
| 19:21.37 | joesbox | or will apt-cache -l only list what is installed |
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| 19:21.45 | LSorensen | lvdsn: I find the 2 dvds would be much more convinient although net install is even better |
| 19:21.54 | lvdsn | LSorensen, thats right, but when someone need some cd's |
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| 19:22.02 | thingfish | yes, net install is the way to go, if you have a fat connection. |
| 19:22.09 | PerfDave | You can use the DVDs to generate CDs with jigdo ;) |
| 19:22.09 | lvdsn | LSorensen, how can I know where is any package |
| 19:22.13 | joesbox | i follow the instructions on OSNews |
| 19:22.26 | PerfDave | Or jigit, which is supposed to be faster. |
| 19:22.28 | joesbox | just install the base and add what you want |
| 19:22.32 | LSorensen | thingfish: I usd to run sid with upgrades every couple of days over 56k dialup. :) |
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| 19:22.45 | thingfish | LSorensen: hehe me too, but I got tired of it. |
| 19:22.49 | LSorensen | lvdsn: apt-cache search blah will tell you the package name, apt-get install packagename will ask for the right cd. |
| 19:22.50 | lvdsn | LSorensen, if him/her doesn't have Internet, and no need all the cd's |
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| 19:23.04 | jeffro | hey |
| 19:23.09 | edson | hey |
| 19:23.16 | lvdsn | LSorensen, i use some .jigdo files |
| 19:23.18 | joesbox | jeffro?? are you from LQ |
| 19:23.22 | jeffro | got ANOTHER question |
| 19:23.25 | jeffro | lq? |
| 19:23.26 | BobW | how do i make a connection (using stunnel i guess) to a port 443 webserver to get data from the cmd line |
| 19:23.30 | jeffro | what is lq? |
| 19:23.38 | lvdsn | LSorensen, and in the [part] it says the names, but how about the dependencies ? |
| 19:23.40 | joesbox | i will take that as a no.... lq is linuxquestions.org |
| 19:23.43 | PerfDave | If you've added all your CDs to apt with apt-cdrom, then "apt-cache policy" should show you which CD the package is on. |
| 19:23.45 | jeffro | no |
| 19:23.48 | jeffro | sorry |
| 19:23.50 | joesbox | someone there has that name |
| 19:23.53 | LSorensen | lvdsn: well, which files are on each cd, well, you could mount and ls the pool dir I guess on each one. There probably is a list somewhere, but really it's not intended to be used that way |
| 19:24.05 | joesbox | anyway what isthe Q |
| 19:24.22 | LSorensen | lvdsn: that's why the idea is to have a complete set, or just the netinst or first cd and get anything else as needed by internet |
| 19:24.23 | jeffro | the question is: does the newer kde (3.4) has extra features worth of switching from 3.3 to 3.4? |
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| 19:24.37 | LSorensen | lvdsn: the dependancies could be anywhere just about. most popular software is on earlier CDs |
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| 19:24.52 | joesbox | sorry i don't know... i like small wm |
| 19:24.56 | joesbox | sorry |
| 19:25.04 | jeffro | whats small wm? |
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| 19:25.08 | resiak | fhffhqvb: Where is the list of the CD contents on debian.org? I can't find it. |
| 19:25.11 | jeffro | window manager? |
| 19:25.18 | joesbox | cut short.... i mean i like small window managers like blackbox and jwm |
| 19:25.27 | joesbox | wm => window manager |
| 19:25.29 | resiak | Damn, 3600 seconds isn't a long enough /ignore -time . |
| 19:25.31 | jeffro | oh |
| 19:25.31 | jeffro | ok |
| 19:25.44 | joesbox | ever heard of jwm? |
| 19:25.44 | Yokalosh | ok i finally managed to mount my windows drive by putting this into fstab: /dev/hda1 /mount/Windows vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 19:25.54 | PerfDave | dpkg: Ask #debian-kde what the differences are between 3.4 and 3.3 |
| 19:25.54 | dpkg | PerfDave: that's too long |
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| 19:25.57 | Yokalosh | now what would i do to get it into 'computer' ? |
| 19:25.58 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 19:25.59 | jeffro | thats freat yokalosh |
| 19:26.14 | PerfDave | jeffro: Ask #debian-kde what the differences are between 3.4 and 3.3 |
| 19:26.15 | LSorensen | Yokalosh: into what? |
| 19:26.22 | Yokalosh | 'computer' |
| 19:26.22 | jeffro | il do it |
| 19:26.30 | joesbox | good luck jeffro |
| 19:26.38 | jeffro | perfdave |
| 19:26.39 | LSorensen | Yokalosh: you actuall _like_ capitals in your dir and file names? |
| 19:26.41 | Yokalosh | u know the linux equivalent of 'my computer' i guess |
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| 19:26.47 | jeffro | do you want me out of this channel? |
| 19:26.48 | LSorensen | Yokalosh: there is no such thing |
| 19:26.54 | jeffro | debian-kde :That channel doesn't exist |
| 19:27.00 | Yokalosh | well it is sat on my desktop.... |
| 19:27.12 | jeffro | oh sorry i see the problem |
| 19:27.16 | lvdsn | LSorensen, I need it because in some places don't have internet |
| 19:27.36 | jarao123 | i just installed the hostap driver, and now i cant connect to my ap or go into monitor mode |
| 19:27.37 | LSorensen | lvdsn: then you get the whole set if you want to be sure. otherwise you only install what apt-get will let you install |
| 19:27.44 | nse | resiak: This is not easy for me. But I'll do what I can. |
| 19:27.54 | LSorensen | lvdsn: if a dependancy is missing, apt-get will say 'can't install that' |
| 19:27.55 | resiak | nse: Sorry, I don't have time to walk you around :) |
| 19:27.56 | lvdsn | LSorensen, and don't need all the 14 cd's |
| 19:28.01 | Yokalosh | u know when you are on your desktop and you go into 'computer' and it has your floppy drives, usb devices etc |
| 19:28.08 | Yokalosh | how do i get my windows drive in there |
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| 19:28.19 | lvdsn | LSorensen, i need a way to make a list of all the packages by Sarge's cd |
| 19:28.20 | nse | resiak: That's Ok. I'll make it right. Thanks for the help! |
| 19:28.22 | LSorensen | lvdsn: I suspect most people won't need anything past cd 5 or 6 |
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| 19:28.34 | LSorensen | lvdsn: it gets pretty obscure by then |
| 19:28.51 | Yokalosh | Lsorensen? |
| 19:28.52 | lvdsn | LSorensen, i thing so, but if i have that list it could be beeter, don't you ? |
| 19:28.52 | jeffro | i bet visualboyadvnce isnt on 1 til 6 |
| 19:28.54 | PerfDave | Yokalosh: Uhm, what are you talking about? If you mount your Windows drive, it'll show up in the "devices" section of Konqueror, which is probably the closest thing. |
| 19:29.07 | Yokalosh | aww |
| 19:29.10 | jeffro | konqueror isnt a great program |
| 19:29.18 | Yokalosh | but i wanted it in 'computer' :( |
| 19:29.24 | jeffro | i too need another program |
| 19:29.36 | jeffro | yokalosh do u use gome or kde? |
| 19:29.38 | Yokalosh | oh btw if it helps i am in gnoe here |
| 19:29.40 | jeffro | yokalosh do u use gnome or kde? |
| 19:29.43 | LSorensen | Yokalosh: I have never seen 'computer' on a linux system. it's a dub windows concept |
| 19:29.46 | Yokalosh | lol i just remembered i should probably tell you |
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| 19:29.53 | jarao123 | i just installed the hostap driver, and now i cant connect to my ap or go into monitor mode |
| 19:29.57 | jeffro | he uses gnome |
| 19:30.03 | Yokalosh | yeh gnoooome |
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| 19:30.18 | Yokalosh | kde is too windowsish |
| 19:30.20 | jeffro | that means that konqueror isnt is the standard file manager |
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| 19:30.24 | TTimo | how can I configure an interface to go up with dhcp, but not write a new resolv.conf from the dhcp info |
| 19:30.33 | jeffro | "computer" is windowsis |
| 19:30.40 | Yokalosh | but its in gnome |
| 19:30.49 | Yokalosh | pah |
| 19:30.52 | Yokalosh | anyway |
| 19:30.52 | jeffro | you need another file manager |
| 19:30.57 | Yokalosh | is there a way or not? |
| 19:31.00 | jeffro | yes |
| 19:31.03 | RichiH | !find extract-eps |
| 19:31.12 | Yokalosh | how? |
| 19:31.14 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'extract-eps' returned no results. |
| 19:31.22 | jeffro | make a shortcut to konqueror on yor desktop and name it computer |
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| 19:31.29 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 19:31.33 | jeffro | that should do |
| 19:31.39 | Yokalosh | but what about computer that is there |
| 19:31.41 | jeffro | !tell Yokalosh about lol |
| 19:31.43 | Yokalosh | it will be sad :( |
| 19:32.01 | jarao123 | i just installed the hostap driver, and now i cant connect to my ap or go into monitor mode |
| 19:32.03 | mrou | stew: thx for the 4GB tips for compiling my kernel... But why is it written 4GB if it is need to handle 1GB? |
| 19:32.07 | jeffro | delete that shortcut then |
| 19:32.23 | stew | mrou: its the "up to 4gb" setting |
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| 19:32.37 | jarao123 | where can i update the software for iwpriv |
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| 19:33.18 | jeffro | aptget |
| 19:33.30 | TTimo | how can I configure an interface to go up with dhcp, but not write a new resolv.conf from the dhcp info |
| 19:33.35 | resiak | Yokalosh: In your line in fstab, add ,user,noauto to the end of the options field, then umount the disk, then mount it as your user. |
| 19:33.43 | jarao123 | i get a package not found from aptget |
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| 19:34.13 | Yokalosh | thankyou resiak |
| 19:34.16 | Yokalosh | :) |
| 19:34.26 | stew | jarao123: figure out what package its in with dpkg -S; /msg dpkg search |
| 19:34.31 | mrou | stew: maybe I missread the help... |
| 19:34.47 | lvdsn | hello |
| 19:34.58 | dwerf | I got a serious problem - i've got (after installing a few progs through synaptic) two different kernels installed, and my windows-partition is no longer an option in grub!!! |
| 19:35.09 | lvdsn | LSorensen, please do you help me with this ? |
| 19:35.23 | wiegehts | dwerf, that is an easy fix |
| 19:35.30 | dwerf | thank god! |
| 19:35.50 | jarao123 | thanks stew |
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| 19:36.06 | Yokalosh | also, resiak, is there any way to make it not go on the desktop or not? |
| 19:36.16 | dwerf | weigeths: how? |
| 19:36.19 | resiak | Yokalosh: Oh gods, why is it such a big deal? |
| 19:36.25 | resiak | Yokalosh: Ask the Gnome people. |
| 19:36.25 | lvdsn | Please, i need the list of packages who are in each Sarge's cd, do you know how can I get it ? |
| 19:36.26 | Yokalosh | dunno |
| 19:36.29 | wiegehts | root (hd0,0) |
| 19:36.29 | wiegehts | savedefault |
| 19:36.29 | wiegehts | makeactive |
| 19:36.29 | wiegehts | chainloader +1 |
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| 19:36.41 | ribnitz | lvdsn: what for? |
| 19:36.44 | edson | root |
| 19:36.46 | stew | mrou: "Select this if you have a 32-bit processor and between 1 and 4 gigabytes of physical RAM." |
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| 19:36.48 | Yokalosh | thanksyou, i will stop pissing you all off with my n00bishness now :D |
| 19:36.50 | edson | savedefault |
| 19:36.51 | lvdsn | ribnitz, because |
| 19:36.53 | Yokalosh | ciao |
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| 19:37.00 | Yokalosh | thankyou for letting me waste your time |
| 19:37.03 | Yokalosh | :D |
| 19:37.05 | Yokalosh | ;) |
| 19:37.06 | stew | !tell wiegehts about flood |
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| 19:37.08 | wiegehts | dwerf add that to your grub |
| 19:37.11 | edson | :q |
| 19:37.13 | edson | ; |
| 19:37.14 | lvdsn | ribnitz, some friends need the cd's but no the 14, only someones |
| 19:37.16 | edson | ;q |
| 19:37.20 | edson | ;D |
| 19:37.23 | edson | k |
| 19:37.29 | resiak | fhffhqvb: Put me out of my misery? |
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| 19:37.31 | nse | How to make the icons in the Gnome desktop smaller? They are very big. |
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| 19:37.39 | ribnitz | lvdsn: MOst is covered by the first few cds. |
| 19:37.41 | lvdsn | ribnitz, but they don't know which of them ? |
| 19:37.51 | lvdsn | ribnitz, I know that |
| 19:37.59 | ribnitz | lvdsn: 1-3, 1-4 perhaps |
| 19:38.04 | lvdsn | ribnitz, but where is the list of packages |
| 19:38.10 | dwerf | where are the grub settings? |
| 19:38.23 | ribnitz | dwerf: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:38.28 | IRCMonkey | what do you have to do to play mp3s on sarge? |
| 19:38.31 | lvdsn | ribnitz, for this ? |
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| 19:39.03 | ribnitz | lvdsn: no idea. Used a netinstall image. |
| 19:39.04 | lvdsn | ribnitz, i download .jigdo files, and in the [parts] there is, but how can I know the dependencies ? |
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| 19:39.14 | stew | dwerf: first off do you know if you use grub or lilo? |
| 19:39.33 | ribnitz | lvdsn: packages.debian.org/putthepackagenamehere |
| 19:39.53 | thingfish | totem should handle mp3s fine. |
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| 19:40.01 | lvdsn | ribnitz, thahts richgt, but one by one, how about all of them ? |
| 19:40.20 | ribnitz | IRCMonkey: graphical proggy, text-mode proggy... |
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| 19:40.55 | dwerf | stew: i use grub |
| 19:40.55 | TTimo | made resolv.conf readonly |
| 19:40.59 | TTimo | we'll se |
| 19:41.10 | ribnitz | lvdsn: apt-cache show package |grep Depends: |
| 19:41.14 | dwerf | stew: i now am in grub's menu.lst |
| 19:41.21 | wiegehts | dwerf, did you get the pm? |
| 19:41.38 | stew | dwerf: do you know which partition has windows on it? |
| 19:41.45 | lvdsn | ribnitz, ricght, i could start by that |
| 19:42.00 | lvdsn | and then how can I get the cd' where is ani dependencies |
| 19:42.11 | dwerf | stew, weigehts: what's a pm and no, i don't know exactly |
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| 19:42.23 | stew | dwerf: fdisk -l |
| 19:42.53 | ribnitz | stew: usually the first partition on the first drive. |
| 19:42.59 | wiegehts | dwerf, was this a windows machine before you installed linux? |
| 19:43.09 | phreak | Is there some sort of tool for making keyboard-shortcuts for the console? |
| 19:43.10 | dwerf | weigehts: yes |
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| 19:43.21 | jeffro | hello |
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| 19:43.43 | jeffro | what package should i get to upgrade kde 3.3 to 3.4.0 |
| 19:43.44 | dwerf | /dev/hda1 791 852 498015 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 19:43.44 | dwerf | /dev/hda2 * 913 2736 14651280 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 19:43.44 | dwerf | /dev/hda3 2737 4863 17085127+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 19:43.44 | dwerf | /dev/hda4 1 790 6345643+ 83 Linux |
| 19:43.44 | dwerf | /dev/hda5 2737 4863 17085096 7 HPFS/NTFS |
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| 19:43.57 | jeffro | i already have the source in my list |
| 19:44.19 | brknsoul | where can i find a list of mirrors for sources.list? |
| 19:44.19 | stew | jeffro: we've told you already that kde3.4 isn't available in debian officially |
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| 19:44.34 | phreak | dwerf: That was stupid, use #flood or a pastebin. |
| 19:44.40 | jeffro | never mind i got it |
| 19:44.45 | dwerf | sorry people |
| 19:44.55 | dwerf | i'm so silly |
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| 19:45.13 | dwerf | stew? |
| 19:45.21 | LSorensen | lvdsn: looks like the jigdo files if you gunzip them have a list of which packages would be on that cd |
| 19:45.48 | stew | dwerf: at the bottom of menu.lst do you have an entry for windows? under the DEBIAN AUTOMATIC BLAHLBAH LIST? |
| 19:45.53 | lindenle | #flood |
| 19:46.04 | lindenle | d |
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| 19:46.16 | dwerf | stew: i do not |
| 19:46.32 | dwerf | my windows is on hda3 |
| 19:46.37 | m0rbid | I installed openssl, but a compile fo something says it cannot find openssl, is there a pkg I may be missing? |
| 19:46.51 | LSorensen | m0rbid: openssl-dev or something? |
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| 19:47.22 | wiegehts | http://pastebin.com/324097, but change root to your partition |
| 19:47.31 | stew | dwerf: look at /usr/share/doc/grub/examples ; copy the example for Windows NT, but change the rootnoverify to use hd0,2 |
| 19:47.35 | LSorensen | m0rbid: libssl-dev |
| 19:47.40 | stew | dwerf: put it at the very bottom of menu.lst |
| 19:47.40 | dwerf | thanx |
| 19:48.04 | Schiz0 | What's a good media player for debian? All I need to play is music, I tried AmaroK but it's not working. |
| 19:48.24 | stew | cplay |
| 19:48.27 | stew | + mpg321 |
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| 19:49.08 | dwerf | windows xp = windows nt? |
| 19:49.09 | Schiz0 | stew- Command line? |
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| 19:49.54 | POVaddict | Schiz0: xmms, mp3blaster (console) |
| 19:50.23 | Schiz0 | I'm looking for something with a GUI |
| 19:50.28 | m0rbid | sweet |
| 19:50.29 | m0rbid | thanks |
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| 19:50.35 | POVaddict | Schiz0: xmms has a gui |
| 19:50.40 | resiak | !tell Schiz0 -about search |
| 19:50.47 | resiak | !tell Schiz0 -about doesn't work |
| 19:50.50 | brknsoul | booting debian seems to give me all these 'already loaded' messages, looks like it's starting hotplug manager twice. any hints? |
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| 19:51.00 | stew | Schiz0: yes |
| 19:51.11 | exobyte | If I go into the dir for a module, how can I make just that module? |
| 19:51.12 | Schiz0 | resiak- I'm not trying to get amarok working, I'm saying it doesn't work and I wont' be using it. |
| 19:51.17 | brknsoul | Schiz0: xmms |
| 19:51.22 | Schiz0 | Alright thanks guys |
| 19:51.34 | stew | xterm -e cplay |
| 19:51.35 | JohnnyST | Hi is there something I could do to increase the PCI bandwith? I have an D865PERL motherboard. |
| 19:52.24 | exobyte | JohnnyST: I really doubt it |
| 19:52.31 | PerfDave | xmms is the One True Media Player |
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| 19:53.01 | exobyte | JohnnyST: ideally, you what a 66mhz 64 bit wide bus |
| 19:53.09 | exobyte | JohnnyST: but then you need a card that uses all that |
| 19:53.33 | PissedTrixBunny | hi everyone, I had my ~/bin working before... with both root and user... but now, only the user works,,, not root. it seems like root doesn't recognize the ~/bin in path. I was wondering how to fix it so that scripts in ~/bin can wok as root. thanks |
| 19:54.16 | mct | do you mean ~root/bin/ or ~username/bin/ ? |
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| 19:54.59 | LSorensen | : given an 865 is a desktop chipset, I doubt it can do more than 32bit 66mhz pci. you want more bandwidth, get a workstation/server board with PCI-X or at least 66mhz 64bit PCI, or better yet, go get a PCIe board |
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| 19:55.18 | PissedTrixBunny | mct, $HOME/bin |
| 19:56.05 | PissedTrixBunny | mct,should I coppy it in /root/bin then? |
| 19:56.31 | LSorensen | er JohnnyST that is |
| 19:56.33 | mct | who's home? root or a specific user? |
| 19:56.43 | LSorensen | and make that 32bit 33mhz pci. :( |
| 19:56.43 | PissedTrixBunny | mct, user;s home |
| 19:57.24 | nite613 | Is there a quicktime plugin available for firefox in debian? |
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| 19:57.38 | mct | okay, then you need to modify root's PATH, using ~root/.profile |
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| 19:59.02 | PissedTrixBunny | mct, there isn't a .profile in /root, do you mean /ect/? |
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| 19:59.45 | mct | you can modify /etc/profile, root/.profile root/.bash_profile, your choice |
| 20:00.23 | mct | of course I don't recommend doing this on a non-personal system |
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| 20:01.14 | wiegehts | please excuse my ignorance, but if I have gcc 3.4.3 installed and set as default, my kernel compile will be made with 3.4.3? |
| 20:02.14 | dwerf | wiegehts: mir get's nicht so gut ... why can't i change the grub file? |
| 20:02.29 | wiegehts | dwerf, are you root? |
| 20:02.49 | _rene_ | wiegehts: if 3.4.3 is the default, yes. but if you are sane, you don't have 3.4 as default |
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| 20:02.59 | dwerf | wiegehts: sorry for this stupid question, but how do i become it? |
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| 20:03.07 | PissedTrixBunny | dwerf, su |
| 20:03.20 | wiegehts | _rene_, i am *in*sane, obviously |
| 20:03.23 | _rene_ | wiegehts: woody/sarge/etch have 3.3 as default, sid 4.0. everything else is broken and you are on your own. |
| 20:03.30 | dwerf | for super user? |
| 20:03.31 | PissedTrixBunny | root's bin and user's bin are different> |
| 20:04.02 | PissedTrixBunny | dwerf, yes. type into terminal: "su" |
| 20:04.08 | PissedTrixBunny | to become root |
| 20:04.15 | dwerf | ok |
| 20:04.24 | Ungy | I prefer su - |
| 20:04.27 | mct | PissedTrixBunny, yes but I thought you want one copy of scripts in ~user/bin/ |
| 20:04.36 | jeremywhiting | hi all, anyone wanna tell a debian noob how to re-install my kernel-image package without un-installing? |
| 20:04.52 | PerfDave | jeremywhiting: Why do you need to reinstall your kernel? |
| 20:04.57 | JohnnyST | exobyte, LSorensen thanks. |
| 20:05.00 | PissedTrixBunny | mct, I want the scripts to still work when I'm in root... |
| 20:05.01 | Ungy | apt-get --reinstall install package |
| 20:05.01 | wiegehts | _rene_, i had no luck with 4.0 but 3.4 seems to be working just fine |
| 20:05.07 | lindenle | apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
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| 20:05.17 | jeremywhiting | cause it didn't overwrite the old /lib/modules |
| 20:05.21 | Ungy | lindenle, I finally beat someone typing |
| 20:05.27 | _rene_ | wiegehts: then let 4.0 as default |
| 20:05.45 | _rene_ | wiegehts: and use 3.4 in the kernel makefile or per CC or per MAKEFLAGS="GGC=.." |
| 20:05.54 | dwerf | what's the command for opening a certain file with the associated program? |
| 20:05.56 | _rene_ | but let the damn default as it is. it is there for a rwason |
| 20:05.57 | jeremywhiting | maybe I just need to redo the configuration part, I'm not sure |
| 20:05.59 | _rene_ | reason |
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| 20:06.08 | dwerf | from konsole? |
| 20:06.15 | PissedTrixBunny | how do I make my /home/username/bin works when I'm as root? |
| 20:06.26 | travolta | put it in your path |
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| 20:06.33 | wiegehts | _rene_, will do |
| 20:06.48 | travolta | PissedTrixBunny, put that in your path |
| 20:07.08 | mct | export PATH="$PATH:/home/username/bin" as root |
| 20:07.23 | dwerf | what is the exact command for opening /boot/grub/menu.lst as superuser in the associated program? |
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| 20:07.36 | dwerf | or any text editor? |
| 20:07.40 | resiak | dwerf: $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:07.47 | dwerf | thanx!!! |
| 20:07.49 | resiak | dwerf: Use su to become root. |
| 20:07.53 | jeremywhiting | isn't there a way to re-install a package without un-installing and re-installing? |
| 20:08.01 | stew | dwerf: run-mailcap <file> is the general mechanism |
| 20:08.01 | resiak | jeremywhiting: man apt-get; man dpkg; yes there is. |
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| 20:08.08 | resiak | stew: You're a bastard :) |
| 20:08.12 | jeremywhiting | ok, thanks |
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| 20:08.16 | stew | its true though :) |
| 20:08.33 | dwerf | unknown id? |
| 20:08.39 | deepan | www.nic-nac-project.de/ssh/ssh.html ... i visit this website .. firefox closes |
| 20:08.47 | resiak | What exactly did you type, dwerf? |
| 20:08.57 | dwerf | title Windows NT / Windows 95 boot menu |
| 20:08.57 | dwerf | rootnoverify (hd0,0) |
| 20:08.57 | dwerf | makeactive |
| 20:08.57 | dwerf | chainloader +1 |
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| 20:09.04 | stew | thats twice |
| 20:09.06 | wiegehts | rofl |
| 20:09.16 | resiak | deepan: BTS; If there isn't already a bug, make a testcase, file a bug |
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| 20:09.28 | resiak | Oh, wait, it's java shit. Don't do that. |
| 20:10.02 | stew | !tell dwerf about flood |
| 20:10.20 | dwerf | what's flood? |
| 20:10.22 | brknsoul | dwerf: whack c&p's in a text editor first ;-) |
| 20:10.23 | lindenle | what is flood |
| 20:10.27 | wiegehts | #flood |
| 20:10.29 | stew | dwerf: is that what you have in your menu.lst? |
| 20:10.37 | lindenle | #flood |
| 20:10.43 | stew | dwerf: dpkg should have just messaged you |
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| 20:10.58 | wiegehts | that dpkg sure can type fast |
| 20:11.02 | dwerf | no, i'm trying to open the file as superuser in a text editor... |
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| 20:11.25 | |rockinnerd| | how do you install a locale? |
| 20:11.32 | stew | dwerf: su <enter> ; nano /path/to/file |
| 20:11.33 | resiak | dwerf: What did you type? |
| 20:11.47 | stew | |rockinnerd|: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:11.50 | |rockinnerd| | thanks |
| 20:11.52 | Whisky_ | how much kbps does one get on a 256k DSL line ? |
| 20:11.54 | resiak | (And why the hell did you paste that stuff again?) |
| 20:12.00 | resiak | Whisky_: 256/8 |
| 20:12.03 | dwerf | i typed su $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:12.04 | wiegehts | dwerf, try nano -w /boot/grub/menu.1st, make changes and use control x to save, then Y to save changes |
| 20:12.06 | deepan | www.nic-nac-project.de/ssh/ssh.html ... i visit this website .. firefox closes |
| 20:12.22 | stew | dwerf: hit enter after su |
| 20:12.35 | resiak | deepan: Check the BTS; make sure Java works. |
| 20:12.40 | |rockinnerd| | and what's the usbfs line to /etc/fstab? |
| 20:12.40 | dwerf | ok |
| 20:12.41 | Whisky_ | resiak, why/8 ? |
| 20:12.44 | PissedTrixBunny | okay. |
| 20:12.48 | deepan | what is bts .. resiak |
| 20:12.51 | resiak | !bts |
| 20:12.52 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:12.54 | lindenle | wiegehts: what is flood for |
| 20:13.08 | wiegehts | lindenle, to paste many lines |
| 20:13.08 | samuel | this conversation reminds me of a while back when i spent almost half an hour chatting with dpkg trying to figure out wtf |
| 20:13.11 | resiak | Whisky_: Because 256k in that context is 256kbits/second, and 8 bits == 1 byte. |
| 20:13.12 | PissedTrixBunny | how do I make ~/bin works in root? there was a suggestion that |
| 20:13.13 | lindenle | oh ok |
| 20:13.14 | brknsoul | if i'm not gonna use em, is it ok/safe/wise to comment out unstable/testing in source.list? |
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| 20:13.21 | stnick | hey, i'm having a dependency problem that is affecting apt/dpkg.... ymessenger (yahoo messenger) says it depends on libssl0.9.6 and apt will only install libssl0.9.7.... i've used the --force-depends option to get ymessenger installed and it works fine, but now i cannot get apt-get upgrade to work cleanly.... is there a way to make the system permanently ignore depends for ymessenger, or a way to change the dependency on libssl0.9 |
| 20:13.21 | stnick | .6 (or trick the system into thinking it is installed)? |
| 20:13.23 | PissedTrixBunny | stupid keyboard... |
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| 20:13.31 | lindenle | so you "/join #flood" |
| 20:13.32 | Whisky_ | ahh damn that means just 32kbps :/ |
| 20:13.33 | stew | resiak: get ready with the inevitable how do i save in vi questions... |
| 20:13.39 | lindenle | wiegehts: and then paste |
| 20:13.50 | resiak | stew: ^X^S ! ;) |
| 20:14.06 | wiegehts | lindenle, get who ever is helping to join also then paste there |
| 20:14.14 | |rockinnerd| | stnick, try amsn, it downloads and installs it 4 u |
| 20:14.15 | brknsoul | stew: shift-ZZ |
| 20:14.17 | lindenle | wiegehts: clear |
| 20:14.19 | wiegehts | lindenle, or use www.pastebin.com |
| 20:14.23 | lindenle | wiegehts: thx |
| 20:14.24 | brknsoul | :wq |
| 20:14.25 | stew | unless he listened to wiegehts, in which case it will be why do i get permission denied when i try to save |
| 20:14.25 | dwerf | stew, after hitting su and typing the root password, i still get 'permission denied' |
| 20:14.34 | resiak | Yay! |
| 20:14.41 | |rockinnerd| | dwerf, are you in the wheel group? |
| 20:14.46 | wiegehts | lindenle, and paste the link here |
| 20:14.48 | stnick | |rockinnerd|, amsn? is that an apt-gettable package? |
| 20:14.53 | resiak | |rockinnerd|: Wheel isnt' enabled by default in Debian. |
| 20:14.58 | stew | dwerf: what does "whoami" say? |
| 20:14.59 | |rockinnerd| | ah. |
| 20:15.00 | resiak | stnick: You can use apt-cache search, you know. |
| 20:15.01 | PissedTrixBunny | how do I make ~/bin works in root? there was a suggestion that I fix PATH as root, but I use "export PATH" in my .bashrc file.... man someone freakin' help me with this.... I'm going bald over here darn it! |
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| 20:15.11 | |rockinnerd| | stnick, i believe so |
| 20:15.11 | brknsoul | if i'm not gonna use em, is it ok/safe/wise to comment out unstable/testing in source.list? |
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| 20:15.19 | dwerf | it says 'root' |
| 20:15.23 | brknsoul | sources.list* |
| 20:15.24 | resiak | brknsoul: Have you installed stuff from them ? |
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| 20:15.31 | stnick | resiak, yes, i know, on my dist 0.9.6 is not installable |
| 20:15.31 | |rockinnerd| | dwerf, dont sudo if you're root |
| 20:15.32 | brknsoul | resiak: no, new system |
| 20:15.34 | samuel | dwerf, do you have root access= |
| 20:15.44 | stew | is nobody reading? |
| 20:15.48 | resiak | brknsoul: Why are they there in the first place. |
| 20:15.56 | wiegehts | out |
| 20:15.56 | dwerf | sudo? |
| 20:16.02 | dwerf | i have root access yes |
| 20:16.04 | stew | dwerf: nevermind him |
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| 20:16.22 | |rockinnerd| | !sudo |
| 20:16.22 | dpkg | methinks sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 20:16.24 | brknsoul | resiak: it's technically a knoppix knx2hd install (/duck) |
| 20:16.27 | quiet | anyone using initng? |
| 20:16.29 | resiak | stew: No, they're not. #debian is full of total tards, as ever. Congratulations. |
| 20:16.43 | resiak | brknsoul: In short, get the hell into #knoppix. |
| 20:16.45 | stew | dwerf: are you SURE you get permission denied as root? |
| 20:16.51 | stew | dwerf: you really shouldnt' |
| 20:16.55 | brknsoul | resiak: hence the /duck |
| 20:17.06 | resiak | brknsoul: Right. Go ask them. |
| 20:17.21 | brknsoul | resiak: it's not a knoppix system anymore |
| 20:17.22 | stew | dwerf: what do you get when you ls -l /boot/grub/menu.lst? something like -rw-r--r-- ? |
| 20:17.30 | resiak | brknsoul: Yes it is! *plonk* |
| 20:17.33 | lamp_ | can i install xorg on debian unstable or can i better wait |
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| 20:17.38 | resiak | !tell samuel -about msg |
| 20:17.42 | stew | brknsoul: sorry we can't help with knoppix |
| 20:17.51 | dwerf | if i 1) type su 2) type my root password 3) type $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst i get 'permission denied' |
| 20:17.55 | resiak | !tell samuel -about tard |
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| 20:17.59 | stew | dwerf: oh |
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| 20:18.08 | stew | dwerf: replace $EDITOR with nano |
| 20:18.09 | samuel | resiak, thx |
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| 20:18.13 | dwerf | if i type 'whoami' i get 'root' |
| 20:18.15 | resiak | !tell samuel -about thx |
| 20:18.15 | dwerf | ok |
| 20:18.16 | stew | dwerf: the EDITOR variable is aparantly unseet |
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| 20:18.20 | LSorensen | lamp_: well x.org did install for me yesterday during a dist-upgrade, but I havent' tested it yet |
| 20:18.26 | brknsoul | what's the difference with a debian install, and a debian knx2hd install? |
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| 20:18.29 | samuel | resiak, haha |
| 20:18.30 | WiBY | Hi there. Why would ls -l segfault but ls not segfault? |
| 20:18.36 | dwerf | ok |
| 20:18.44 | samuel | resiak, takes one to know one i guess |
| 20:18.45 | stew | brknsoul: one is knoppix and one is debian, the knoppix one has non-debian stuff, and we can't support it |
| 20:18.46 | LSorensen | brknsoul: one is done using a debian isntalelr and the other is not |
| 20:18.51 | WiBY | a variety of other apps enjoy segfaulting aswell |
| 20:18.54 | dwerf | and i can use kedit aswell if i want? |
| 20:18.58 | LSorensen | brknsoul: so one is debian and the other isn't |
| 20:18.59 | Whisky_ | resiak, need help from dpkg regarding mounting my USB card reader to read my phone's memory card. |
| 20:19.05 | brknsoul | stew, LSorensen: point. |
| 20:19.09 | resiak | Whisky_: And you're asking me why? |
| 20:19.13 | stew | brknsoul: point at what? |
| 20:19.21 | stew | dwerf: sure, when that complains about connection refused, /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 20:19.28 | LSorensen | brknsoul: anything installed any other way than the debian isntaller is just too likely to be different |
| 20:19.28 | resiak | Whisky_: Is the memory card + reader just usb-storage ? |
| 20:19.30 | stew | dwerf: try nano, its easy |
| 20:19.32 | PissedTrixBunny | I need to run some commands as root.... and the scripts wouldn't work |
| 20:19.39 | Whisky_ | resiak, tried /msg dpkg USB storage.....USB devices....nothing :S |
| 20:19.47 | samuel | Whisky_, is it an MMC type card? |
| 20:19.47 | brknsoul | ok, maybe someone can help me with why my debian (from first 3 cds) dies while booting |
| 20:19.48 | jeffro | do you have to reboot after upgrading kde? |
| 20:19.53 | |rockinnerd| | PissedTrixBunny, sudo |
| 20:19.56 | resiak | !tell Whisky_ -about usb-storage |
| 20:19.56 | LSorensen | brknsoul: I don't ven trea the systems I have done using debootstrap to be 'real' debian systems. |
| 20:19.57 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: define "didn't work" |
| 20:20.00 | Whisky_ | resiak, U put the memory card into the card reader. Yes, MMC. |
| 20:20.01 | drini | no, but you may want to restart X |
| 20:20.02 | ouch | I installed hostap and it doesn't work. I try to bind my card back to orinoco_cs, but to no avail. Please tell me how I can get rid of the hostap! |
| 20:20.08 | jeffro | ok |
| 20:20.10 | jeffro | i will |
| 20:20.12 | stew | brknsoul: did you try the 2.6 kernel on the install? |
| 20:20.22 | stew | jeffro: no |
| 20:20.23 | brknsoul | stew: yup (i really hate 2.6) |
| 20:20.26 | LSorensen | brknsoul: only if you have the excaft error messages it gives when it fails to boot |
| 20:20.34 | brknsoul | LSorensen: looking it up... |
| 20:20.41 | resiak | samuel: Wait, you're calling me a tard? |
| 20:20.46 | LSorensen | brknsoul: and of course which hardware you run on, etc |
| 20:20.50 | stew | brknsoul: you tried both 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 20:21.14 | Whisky_ | resiak, Thanks. Well i tried that before a format but I couldnt write to the card eventhough it showed the files got copied but in real they were not :/ |
| 20:21.18 | samuel | resiak, it was a joke, lol, sorry... |
| 20:21.26 | resiak | samuel: It's okay. |
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| 20:21.33 | brknsoul | stew: not really 2.4 yet, i thought i'd try to stay with 2.6... |
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| 20:22.02 | resiak | Whisky_: *shrug* |
| 20:22.02 | stew | brknsoul: try the 2.4 while installing you can always upgrade later |
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| 20:22.14 | Whisky_ | :p |
| 20:22.17 | ouch | Can anyone tell me hoe to get rid of hostap? |
| 20:22.20 | resiak | Whisky_: Why are you asking me, anyway? The channel as a whole could probably help you too. |
| 20:22.24 | stew | Whisky_: did you sync the disk before removing it? |
| 20:22.28 | LSorensen | brknsoul: what kind of machine is it? |
| 20:22.31 | ejoy | Can anyone recommend a dselect replacement with gui? |
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| 20:22.35 | brknsoul | LSorensen: can't rmmbr exact wording, but it seems to start hotplug twice, give me all these 'xyz already loaded' messages, and stalls at starting usb. |
| 20:22.43 | brknsoul | LSorensen: Abit KV8 Pro |
| 20:22.43 | Whisky_ | stew, sync? :s |
| 20:22.47 | LSorensen | : aptitude is the replacement in sarge (at least what sarge uses by default) |
| 20:22.48 | stew | Whisky_: did you umount it? |
| 20:22.53 | Whisky_ | resiak, coz you r the 1337 hax0r :p |
| 20:22.55 | stew | Whisky_: man sync |
| 20:22.56 | LSorensen | brknsoul: sata or ide? |
| 20:23.01 | brknsoul | LSorensen: ide |
| 20:23.05 | samuel | Whisky_, i found MMC would never be recognized by debian, tried two different readers, and ended up just transfering with bluetooth |
| 20:23.06 | resiak | Whisky_: Oh. No, I'm really not, but okay. |
| 20:23.12 | BobW | How can i do a reverse lookup from the command line??? |
| 20:23.17 | ejoy | LSorensen: actually I find aptitude is harder to use than dselect. |
| 20:23.20 | stew | BobW: host 1.2.3.4 |
| 20:23.26 | BobW | ah |
| 20:23.30 | stew | BobW: (from dnsutils) |
| 20:23.39 | LSorensen | ejoy: ehm, no it isn't. not even close. the keys in aptitude actually make some sense. if you want graphics try synaptic |
| 20:23.51 | ouch | Can anyone tell me hoe to get rid of hostap? |
| 20:24.00 | BobW | stew, thats awesome thank you |
| 20:24.05 | BobW | i knew it was something simple |
| 20:24.06 | Whisky_ | ermm k |
| 20:24.09 | stew | BobW: you're welcome |
| 20:24.10 | Whisky_ | samuel, sigh :[ |
| 20:24.16 | Whisky_ | resiak, You cant take a compliment ? |
| 20:24.25 | Whisky_ | errr complement or compliment ? |
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| 20:24.27 | stew | Whisky_: did you umount the disk before removing it? |
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| 20:24.34 | Whisky_ | stew, Yup. |
| 20:24.34 | brknsoul | LSorensen: sata's been disabled in bios, since i don't have any sata drives |
| 20:24.46 | obtix | ok, i finally after years switched to grub on this new laptop i am building when i just loaded kernel 2.6 when i boot i get a panic... VFS: Cannot open root device "hda2" or unknown-block(0,0) Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
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| 20:24.56 | LSorensen | : I don't have much ide left except for cd/dvd drives :) |
| 20:24.58 | samuel | Whisky_, its odd since ive tried all others, including SD which is i think an older version of MMC |
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| 20:25.02 | ouch | anybody? |
| 20:25.14 | Whisky_ | samuel, Bluetooth's easy to configure ? |
| 20:25.16 | LSorensen | obtix: tends to mean you forgot the driver for your ide controller in the new kernel |
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| 20:25.36 | samuel | Whisky_, yes, very... lemme get you a link |
| 20:25.42 | obtix | LSorensen: oh, ok i thought it was grub back to the kernel |
| 20:25.44 | resiak | Whisky_: Yeah, I can. I'm just being modest. |
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| 20:26.00 | ouch | Can anyone tell me hoe to get rid of hostap? |
| 20:26.11 | mct | dpkg -r hostap ? |
| 20:26.12 | resiak | apt-get remove hostap! |
| 20:26.13 | Whisky_ | samuel, ok. |
| 20:26.24 | ouch | THANK YOU!! |
| 20:26.32 | Whisky_ | resiak, =p Loaded those modules, nothing like /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
| 20:26.40 | resiak | ouch: IS IT REALLY THAT HARD?!?!+!?!?!?!?!?1=/12=/l211 |
| 20:26.40 | LSorensen | obtix: could also be an incorrect kernel line in menu.lst of course. |
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| 20:27.36 | Whisky_ | lol @ resiak's caps :p |
| 20:28.11 | dwerf | what does (hd0,2) signify in the boor settings? |
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| 20:28.17 | dwerf | boot settings |
| 20:28.38 | brknsoul | LSorensen: still there? or given up on me? ;-) |
| 20:28.39 | liable | hda3 |
| 20:28.49 | samuel | Whisky_, http://debian.usefulinc.com/ for debian repository, install gnome-bluetooth, then edit /etc/bluetooth/pin to change your pairing pin number. also edit /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf to add your deviceid (you can get that by running hcidscan when the phones bluetooth is turned on) |
| 20:28.57 | dwerf | why 3? |
| 20:29.11 | liable | dwerf: man grub |
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| 20:29.28 | Whisky_ | thanks samuel . |
| 20:29.39 | samuel | Whisky_, oops, that would be "hcidtool scan" |
| 20:29.53 | Whisky_ | k :) |
| 20:30.20 | CSWookie | What is the debian equivalent of /usr/local/var? I'm trying to install Kerberos, and I think it's got its paths in the tutorial primed for a differnt OS (BSD I'm thinking). |
| 20:30.23 | brknsoul | ok, maybe someone can help me with why my debian (from first 3 cds) dies while booting. 2.6 kernel, seems to start hotplug twice, and stall while starting usb, Abit KV8Pro |
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| 20:30.38 | dwerf | what's the command for a list of mountable partitions? |
| 20:30.40 | resiak | brknsoul: Have you tried the 2.4 kernel? |
| 20:30.56 | brknsoul | resiak: deja vu ;-) |
| 20:31.05 | brknsoul | resiak: ok, i'll try that then |
| 20:31.06 | IsaacHaze | dwerf: cfdisk |
| 20:31.24 | WiBY | CSWookie: /var |
| 20:31.30 | PissedTrixBunny | stew, I have some scripts in /home/user/bin/ and as a user, all those scripts work and register to PATH (autocompletion in shell and all). However, most of those scripts has commands that need root priviledges (groupadd/useradd...), how do I make it register to root's PATH so that they can run without the "./" protocols |
| 20:31.40 | PissedTrixBunny | anyone's help is greatly appreciated |
| 20:31.41 | PissedTrixBunny | thanks |
| 20:31.47 | liable | brknsoul: or try expert mode. |
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| 20:32.07 | WiBY | PissedTrixBunny: edit the roots path via /etc/profile or in their homedirectory's shell rc |
| 20:32.10 | DYnamo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:32.24 | CSWookie | WiBY: Thanks. |
| 20:32.27 | WiBY | PissedTrixBunny: be careful, that can be dangerous thou. Be sure to put it at the end of the path |
| 20:32.42 | CosmoDad | can I do something like this with scp: "scp foo@remote:file1 foo@remote:file2 ." without authenticating twice but just once? |
| 20:33.03 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: the best thing is not to refer to "groupadd" but to "/usr/sbin/groupadd" in your scripts |
| 20:33.30 | stew | PissedTrixBunny: DO NOT add . to PATH |
| 20:33.33 | CSWookie | WiBY: /var or /var/local? What is the different between the two? |
| 20:33.42 | CSWookie | WiBY: Usage-wise, I mean. |
| 20:34.26 | WiBY | CSWookie: be aware, I dont use debian and am speaking from BSD experience. local is for things you install in addition to the base. For example, when I install wget on my bsd machine, it goes into /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin like on linux |
| 20:34.38 | LSorensen | brk: sorry just checked email |
| 20:34.42 | WiBY | CSWookie: the idea behind this is you can just back up local, reinstall and put local back |
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| 20:34.53 | WiBY | CSWookie: and hence, no need to recompile a bunch of software |
| 20:34.59 | stew | WiBY: this is not they way it works in debian |
| 20:35.12 | PerfDave | CSWookie: /usr/local is for software installed by hand. apt will put everything in /var, /bin or wherever as the FHS dictates. |
| 20:35.12 | WiBY | stew: Im aware, on debian they put it all into /usr/bin |
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| 20:35.15 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: no |
| 20:35.31 | PerfDave | CSWookie: Why are you installing kerberos by hand instead of using the Debian packages? |
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| 20:35.53 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: you can do: ssh foo@remote cp file1 file2 |
| 20:36.01 | CSWookie | PerfDave: I did use the debian packages... Wait, did I ever type that one command... hhmmm. :-) |
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| 20:36.27 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: which would of course also be much faster than what you proposed (if that was even possible) |
| 20:36.28 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: that would copy file1 to file2 on the remote machine only, wouldn't it? |
| 20:36.47 | WiBY | in any case, /var would be for things the system installed, and /var/local/ would be for things the user installed, correct? |
| 20:36.50 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: oh I missed your '.' |
| 20:36.52 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: what I want is: copy file1 and file2 to *my* machine with a single authentication |
| 20:36.56 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: ok |
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| 20:37.06 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: what are the real names of file1 and file2? |
| 20:37.06 | CSWookie | I think Jim already did part of it by hand. |
| 20:37.11 | dwerf | can i mount a windows partition in linux? |
| 20:37.12 | CSWookie | That's obnoxious. |
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| 20:37.16 | dwerf | and open files? |
| 20:37.16 | WiBY | this is the convention of putting local into each folder, as opposed to putting each folder into /usr/local |
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| 20:37.25 | mct | CosmoDad> use public key to reduce typing passwords |
| 20:37.35 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: if they were file1 and file2 I would do: scp foo@remote:file[12] . |
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| 20:37.41 | WiBY | CosmoDad: mct is wise. |
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| 20:37.43 | PerfDave | WiBY: No, /usr/local/var would be for non-apt-installed things, |
| 20:37.50 | mct | dwerf> yes, if your kernel has necessary filesystem support (vfat or ntfs) |
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| 20:37.55 | PerfDave | dwerf: Yes |
| 20:38.07 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: I cannot apply wildcards on this... |
| 20:38.15 | WiBY | PerfDave: then whats the difference between /var/local and /usr/local/var? |
| 20:38.15 | dwerf | mct, this is not a debian default option? |
| 20:38.18 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: or do: ssh foo@remote, and then from there scp file1 file2 foo@local: |
| 20:38.20 | scott | [OT] anyone know if gmail, hotmail or yahoo mark messages sent to a large number of their accounts as spam even if just the content doesn't warrant being marked as spam if sent to one account? I have to send emails out to about a thousand new students and I'm wondering if I need to spread them out over a few days to avoid getting marked as spam or if it doesn't matter. any ideas? |
| 20:38.26 | PerfDave | WiBY: Read the FHS :) |
| 20:38.38 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: or use rsync with a filelist |
| 20:38.42 | WiBY | man heir dosnt exist :( |
| 20:38.53 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: I also had this possibility in mind, but I'd prefer to be able to do it from my local machine |
| 20:39.00 | PerfDave | WiBY: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 20:39.11 | stew | neither will be in fhs |
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| 20:39.14 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: well as long as you can specify all the files as one argument, it works. |
| 20:39.31 | mct | dwerf, ntfs & vfat are in sarge 2.6 default kernel as modules |
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| 20:40.07 | dwerf | mct, i'm a linux greenhorn |
| 20:40.09 | stew | /var/local should be treated the same as /usr/local/var its up to the administrator to use whichever depending on what partition one wants the data in |
| 20:40.19 | stew | afaik |
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| 20:40.35 | PerfDave | I can't say I've ever heard of /var/local being used for *anything* |
| 20:40.36 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: but if I do it remote->my_machine, it'd use my "local upload" as I see, which is much slower than my downspeed |
| 20:40.40 | WiBY | ok, can anyone tell me how to reinstall coreutils without axing the rest of the system |
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| 20:40.54 | PerfDave | WiBY: Why do you need to reinstall? |
| 20:41.12 | WiBY | PerfDave: ls, tf, tail, etc are segfaulting |
| 20:41.17 | WiBY | well |
| 20:41.21 | WiBY | ls dosnt segfault |
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| 20:41.24 | WiBY | but ls -l does |
| 20:41.28 | WiBY | tail dosnt seg fault |
| 20:41.32 | WiBY | but tail -f does |
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| 20:41.45 | PeterB | !tell WiBY about enter |
| 20:41.45 | PerfDave | WiBY: "apt-get --reinstall install coreutils" may do what you want. |
| 20:41.45 | stew | WiBY: apt-get install --resinstall ; you might wanna look at debsums |
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| 20:42.06 | CSWookie | Hmm. Where is this mystic kadmin.local program? |
| 20:42.08 | exobyte | Is there a way to compile a specific module, not all of them? |
| 20:42.40 | WiBY | thanks PeterB. |
| 20:42.44 | PerfDave | CSWookie: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:42.52 | mct | exobyte, normally no. some kernel modules are available with their own framework |
| 20:43.13 | mct | like from dell.com for RAID controller driver, but normally no |
| 20:43.22 | exobyte | mct: ah, ok. thx |
| 20:43.29 | dwerf | mct: (hd0,4) refers to hda5 in my boot settings? |
| 20:43.55 | WiBY | PerfDave, stew: thanks, that also segfaulted. I think this system might just be hosed |
| 20:43.59 | aurax | what's debian8-sarge4 ? |
| 20:44.00 | aurax | etch? |
| 20:44.02 | mct | dwerf, I am not man grub, but yes |
| 20:44.02 | x2 | hi |
| 20:44.12 | wilotas | Someone knows how can i install lm-sensors in kernel 2.6.12? |
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| 20:44.14 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: how do you figure that? |
| 20:44.30 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: a transfer from remote to local is a tranfer from remote to local no matter which end starts the transfer |
| 20:44.35 | PerfDave | WiBY: Yep. I'd check your disk for bad sectors, perhaps. |
| 20:44.36 | dwerf | is there a kind sheppard in the Linux-realms that has the kind heart to introduce me to some linux fundamentals? |
| 20:44.45 | aurax | anyone what's debian8-sarge4 > |
| 20:44.47 | PerfDave | aurax: Where did you find "debian8-sarge4"? |
| 20:44.53 | aurax | on my new dedicated server |
| 20:44.53 | WiBY | PerfDave: its a shell =\ |
| 20:44.54 | DYnamo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.10 | PerfDave | aurax: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 20:45.12 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: if you can somehow come up wtih a wildcard that matches all the files, it will work, otherwise you get asked once per file (unless you use an ssh key and ssh-agent) |
| 20:45.14 | PerfDave | Whoops |
| 20:45.16 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: if people log into my FTP server, they can only upload as fast as my upstream provides... |
| 20:45.17 | aurax | er? |
| 20:45.18 | PerfDave | dwerf: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 20:45.18 | aurax | :) |
| 20:45.35 | PerfDave | aurax: It's a filename? |
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| 20:45.38 | aurax | noo |
| 20:45.42 | aurax | nvm |
| 20:45.45 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: can I use "negative wildcards"? i.e., copy everything but *foo* ? |
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| 20:45.52 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: you mean they can only download from you as fast as your upstream speed |
| 20:45.53 | aurax | is sarge4 acctualy etch |
| 20:45.57 | aurax | or it should say 3.1 |
| 20:45.59 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: ehm, depends on the shell on the remote. |
| 20:46.09 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: anything the shell on the remote end things is valid, you can do |
| 20:46.11 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: yeah you're right, that was pretty dorky from me |
| 20:46.15 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: bash |
| 20:46.17 | mcaustria | i was just wondering - so question you may have heard hundred of times b4 - if linux derived from unix but unix is still under developement also with GNU-policie why not stick together |
| 20:46.22 | jair | I know that this is not a #samba room but guys to change the hostname or name of my server?? they are two different things? |
| 20:46.30 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: if you had zsh, you could probably do just about anything :) |
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| 20:46.44 | dwerf | PerfDave: where do i type /msg dpkg newbiedoc to get to the file you are mentioning? |
| 20:46.48 | WiBY | mcaustria: linux is not derived from unix. It is a unix clone. |
| 20:46.52 | PerfDave | dwerf: In your IRC client. |
| 20:46.55 | LSorensen | CosmoDad: the file list is expended by the shell you use on the remote machine, so that's you limiting factor (be happy you don't use csh) |
| 20:47.00 | jair | example: name: xenon hostname: xenon.element.us |
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| 20:47.11 | PerfDave | mcaustria: I don't believe there are any GPL-licensed Unices. |
| 20:47.23 | PerfDave | !tell dwerf about msgdpkg |
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| 20:47.31 | DYnamo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.41 | WiBY | mcaustria: most unix distros actually avoid the gpl whenever possible |
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| 20:47.47 | jair | it is a command on debian where i can see the type of processor I have an some other information like the memory and the hardware??? |
| 20:47.48 | mct | mcaustria> linux is an unix-like kernel. GNU/Linux is a Unix like system |
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| 20:48.10 | LSorensen | PerfDave: true, but there are BSD licensed which is even more free than GPL |
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| 20:48.15 | |rockinnerd| | uh.. could some1 look in #flood and help me with my errors? |
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| 20:48.19 | LSorensen | jair: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:48.21 | PerfDave | LSorensen: Depending on your definition of freedom ;) |
| 20:48.37 | LSorensen | PerfDave: what can you do under the gpl you can't do under bsd license? |
| 20:48.46 | PerfDave | LSorensen: Freedom from co-option by propriatery software ;) |
| 20:48.49 | mct | jair> as root, hostname xenon.element.us |
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| 20:49.11 | jair | LSorensen, got it thanks... |
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| 20:49.26 | LSorensen | PerfDave: bsd is more free to the end user and everyone else. what it lacks from the gpl is forcing certain behaviours on people |
| 20:49.27 | mcaustria | which is faste unix or linux |
| 20:49.30 | CosmoDad | LSorensen: well thx for helping, I'll make something up.. |
| 20:49.32 | jair | LSorensen, that is the one I will make sure write it down in a goo place :) |
| 20:49.33 | mct | jair> cat /proc/cpuinfo free(8) |
| 20:49.40 | WiBY | mcaustria: theyre basically the same |
| 20:49.40 | PerfDave | LSorensen: It's all a matter of definition and semantics. |
| 20:49.51 | |rockinnerd| | oops http://pastebin.com/324133 |
| 20:49.52 | |rockinnerd| | go here |
| 20:50.03 | mcaustria | concerning stability |
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| 20:50.09 | LSorensen | PerfDave: as a license the gpl is much more restrictive than the bsd license. |
| 20:50.10 | |rockinnerd| | i've never understood what it meant when i got this error |
| 20:50.22 | PerfDave | LSorensen: It's all a matter of definition and semantics. And I'm not going to argue it because it's pointless. |
| 20:50.29 | WiBY | uh, I may get myself in trouble but I generally find unix more stable than linux. These are simply opinons |
| 20:50.34 | xaluc | a quick question: do i need to enable something in particular in the kernel options in order to boot from an adaptec 2120s raid card? The stock debian 2.6 kernel works fine, but my custom kernel doesn't |
| 20:50.36 | LSorensen | PerfDave: if you don't think people should be allowed to keep modifications to free source code to themselves, well then the bsd license is too free for you |
| 20:50.42 | mct | mcaustria> monkeys are faster, the question is nonsense |
| 20:50.45 | xaluc | i've added scsi support, aac, and the proper filesystem/codepage support.. |
| 20:50.47 | grigora | anyone knows what the following rsync error means: "error writing 4092 unbuffered bytes - exiting: Broken pipe; error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(463)" thanks |
| 20:50.48 | LSorensen | WiBY: you haven't used phux have you? |
| 20:50.56 | WiBY | LSorensen: nope |
| 20:50.59 | LSorensen | er hpux |
| 20:51.02 | simonrvn | or slowaris |
| 20:51.04 | WiBY | I got ya (; |
| 20:51.06 | PerfDave | LSorensen: Stop trolling. |
| 20:51.11 | WiBY | uhhh dont talk about slowaris |
| 20:51.12 | jair | mct, the thing is that I am trying to change the name server and hostname but I don't know what i should do with the line default : 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost xenon |
| 20:51.26 | LSorensen | PerfDave: excuse me? |
| 20:51.30 | WiBY | please, I had to install solaris 10 onto a 4 gig harddrive with a 250mhz proccess |
| 20:51.40 | WiBY | the default solaris install is like 9 gigs |
| 20:52.00 | PerfDave | LSorensen: You're just deliberately trying to provoke an argument, and I'm not going to play. |
| 20:52.04 | simonrvn | that's worse than say a fedora install... |
| 20:52.07 | WiBY | and the package management on the custom install is godawful |
| 20:52.17 | WiBY | as in, manual dependancies, both upstream and downstream |
| 20:52.19 | aniseed | anyone knows how to determine whether nfs service is running on sarge? |
| 20:52.20 | PerfDave | LSorensen: This is not the correct channel for a GPL vs BSD licensing debate. Now drop it, or I'll just /ignore you. |
| 20:52.35 | LSorensen | PerfDave: no I am just disagreeing that bsd licensed code isn't more free than gpl'd code. |
| 20:52.43 | simonrvn | aniseed: rpcinfo -p on the server end. should see nfsd in the listing |
| 20:52.47 | PerfDave | LSorensen: And I've already said that it's a matter of semantics. *plonk* |
| 20:52.52 | mct | jair> delete xenon from the end add a new line |
| 20:53.00 | LSorensen | how pathetic |
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| 20:53.06 | mct | 123.456.789 xenon.whatever.us xenon |
| 20:53.12 | |rockinnerd| | http://pastebin.com/324133 |
| 20:53.19 | |rockinnerd| | i dont understand my error here |
| 20:53.28 | WiBY | while youre at figured out which license is best, would you mind going over vim vs emacs and getting back to me when youre done? (; |
| 20:53.42 | simonrvn | WiBY: hehe |
| 20:53.42 | LSorensen | WiBY: there is no argument there. |
| 20:53.49 | |rockinnerd| | s/vim vs emacs/kde vs gnome |
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| 20:53.57 | simonrvn | WiBY: it'll take forever |
| 20:53.57 | PerfDave | WiBY: Oh, that one's easy, vim ;) |
| 20:54.15 | aniseed | thanks simonrvn, i don't see nfsd. i've run /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server, is that supposed to get it up? |
| 20:54.17 | LSorensen | PerfDave: I personally agree with that one |
| 20:54.29 | WiBY | I was reading cryptonomican again last night. I really dislike stephenson when he talks about OrdoEmacs |
| 20:54.39 | simonrvn | aniseed: should if there's exports to be exported |
| 20:54.43 | WiBY | to the point where I was considering writing OrdoVim, just to be cooler |
| 20:55.02 | crystalremo | |rockinnerd| that package doesn't exist any more |
| 20:55.09 | mct | rockinnerd> the package isn't available |
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| 20:55.15 | |rockinnerd| | ugh.. i need it |
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| 20:55.44 | mcaustria | just really starting out on other systems then window ..... sorry pure noob - but just one last question if i devote myself to studiing linux will i still be able to handle the unix code |
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| 20:56.18 | PerfDave | mcaustria: What do you mean? |
| 20:56.25 | WiBY | mcaustria: the transitions are fairly minor. check out this article: http://news.zdnet.com/2102-9590_22-5806608.html?tag=printthis |
| 20:56.39 | PerfDave | mcaustria: Most application code is portable between UNIX and Linux, thanks to interface standards like POSIX. |
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| 20:56.46 | WiBY | simonrvn is doing the same thing my entire /bin directory is =\ |
| 20:56.49 | mct | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:57.48 | mcaustria | feel stupid about the question but had to ask .. just in case i missed something |
| 20:58.22 | mcaustria | so thanks for now ... cya |
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| 20:58.45 | aniseed | thanks simonrvn, but i still don't get nfs on rpcinfo -p. i'll go read the NFS-HOWTO... |
| 20:58.51 | WiBY | hmm anyone know a way of checking disk space usage besides df? I poked around in proc but to no avail |
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| 20:59.10 | simonrvn | aniseed: nfsd, not nfs. nfs is when something's mounted via nfs |
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| 20:59.35 | dwerf | where can i find nice themes for debian? |
| 20:59.50 | PerfDave | dwerf: What sort of themes did you have in mind? |
| 20:59.56 | WiBY | heh, ubuntu and knoppix |
| 20:59.59 | WiBY | themes of debian |
| 21:00.03 | mct | WiBY> entire disk? no. subdirectories, du |
| 21:00.19 | PerfDave | "du -s /"? |
| 21:00.35 | WiBY | hmm |
| 21:00.37 | mct | PerfDave> nice themes for bash? |
| 21:01.09 | simonrvn | aniseed: but yeh, hfs howto should help |
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| 21:02.23 | aniseed | simonrvn, apparently rpcinfo should show just nfs, not nfsd when server is running |
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| 21:02.39 | Aradorn | stupid question, but ive just installed the jdk on my box and now i want the ability to use the java compiler and jVM in any dir. What files do i need to edit to make this possible? (Environment variable or whatever its called) |
| 21:02.57 | simonrvn | aniseed: sec |
| 21:02.58 | WiBY | mct: (cd /;du)/cat /proc/ide/hda/capacity works (: |
| 21:03.15 | simonrvn | aniseed: yeh, that's right. sorry about that |
| 21:03.19 | WiBY | psudeo code division not to be confused with /'s |
| 21:03.29 | mct | Aradorn> PATH, edit ~/.bash_profile |
| 21:03.31 | fatal__ | Aradorn: export PATH="$PATH:/path/to/jdk/bin/" |
| 21:03.50 | WiBY | its been fun, thanks for the help |
| 21:03.52 | aniseed | hey thanks for your time., this was my first visit to the debian. channel... nice place... |
| 21:03.53 | WiBY | adios |
| 21:04.16 | Aradorn | ok which one? =P |
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| 21:04.21 | Aradorn | lol |
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| 21:04.28 | Aradorn | two different answers =) |
| 21:04.35 | simonrvn | aniseed: np. have fun :) |
| 21:04.40 | sour | aniseed your first question is free, the second you must pay for |
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| 21:05.24 | aniseed | yeah, i know. questions are cheap, answer aren't |
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| 21:05.41 | jmuniz | hi. how can I configure exim4? i tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4 but nothing happened. |
| 21:05.44 | mct | sour, all answers are distributed under GPL... :) |
| 21:05.53 | LSorensen | jmuniz: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:05.56 | Aradorn | fatal__: Thanks =) |
| 21:06.05 | LSorensen | jmuniz: or something like that. exim4 is NOT the package with the config :) |
| 21:06.18 | dwerf | what's the command for a list of extension to application associations? |
| 21:06.18 | jmuniz | LSorensen, thank you. |
| 21:06.24 | ncick | what is good ftp server ? |
| 21:06.31 | dwerf | gftp |
| 21:06.33 | LSorensen | ncick: proftpd? vsftpd? |
| 21:06.50 | mct | dwerf> gftp is a ftp client |
| 21:06.57 | ncick | allright tnx 4 answer |
| 21:06.57 | dwerf | sorry |
| 21:07.20 | LSorensen | ncick: I know ftp.kernel.org runs vsftpd, so it can handle traffic :) |
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| 21:12.36 | x2 | how can i install mplayer ? |
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| 21:13.17 | ma3x | hello guys,any suggestion for bandwidth up/down little tiny precisely monitor display tool or applet? (KDE) |
| 21:13.21 | ma3x | x2: apt-get install mplayer |
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| 21:13.38 | x2 | does not work |
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| 21:13.53 | fatal__ | !mplayer |
| 21:13.54 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
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| 21:14.01 | LSorensen | : does if you have marillat archives in your sources.list |
| 21:14.04 | ma3x | x2: mplayer-586 |
| 21:14.09 | ma3x | apt-get install mplayer-586 |
| 21:14.22 | x2 | has no instalation candidate |
| 21:14.23 | ma3x | ah, right, he has to add marillat first :) |
| 21:14.36 | x2 | can i have the address please ? |
| 21:14.45 | ma3x | hold on ... |
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| 21:14.57 | liable | !tell x2 about marillat |
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| 21:15.05 | x2 | thank you |
| 21:15.07 | ma3x | debian.video.free.fr |
| 21:15.16 | blobaugh | do you guys have any good links to a uml tutorial for debian? |
| 21:15.17 | ma3x | go there follow the instuctions for sources.list |
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| 21:15.29 | ma3x | hey liable, any suggestion for bandwidth monitor applet/tool? |
| 21:15.51 | blobaugh | ifconfig? |
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| 21:16.05 | blobaugh | you could right a script to read it for you ma3x |
| 21:16.10 | TheAsp | ma3x: gnome? |
| 21:16.13 | liable | ma3x: not applet. ntop, or iptraf are tools though. |
| 21:16.18 | ma3x | TheAsp : KDE |
| 21:16.24 | blobaugh | ma3x: torsmo |
| 21:16.27 | PerfDave | blobaugh: There's a UML article on http://www.debian-administration.org/ but note that the UML packages aren't in Sarge or Etch, it's best to use the upstream UML utilities. |
| 21:16.53 | TheAsp | UML should find another set of initials, damnit! |
| 21:16.54 | blobaugh | PerfDave: thanks. you run a uml at all? |
| 21:17.05 | blobaugh | TheAsp: why? |
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| 21:17.13 | ma3x | liable : is iptraf tiny? |
| 21:17.16 | TheAsp | blobaugh: UML is also UML |
| 21:17.30 | ma3x | ok, we got a list here |
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| 21:18.21 | Gospel | hi |
| 21:18.26 | Aradorn | how do i add an Environment Variable? |
| 21:18.31 | Gospel | is there a mepis program where I can change my IP address on IRC? for example; change my current domain IP address to 777.debian.org |
| 21:18.49 | PerfDave | Gospel: Why are you asking #debian about MEPIS problems? #mepis |
| 21:19.01 | Gospel | i have no p[roblems |
| 21:19.06 | Gospel | its running great |
| 21:19.07 | mct | Aradorn> I answered that once already for you, 10 minutes ago |
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| 21:19.17 | Gospel | PerfDave, mepis is debian, isnt it? |
| 21:19.25 | Ronin | Gospel: no its mepis not debian |
| 21:19.39 | PerfDave | Gospel: No, Mepis is Mepis. |
| 21:19.40 | Ronin | !based on |
| 21:19.41 | PerfDave | !mepis |
| 21:19.41 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 21:20.04 | Gospel | see? even the bot says "MEPIS is a Debian..." |
| 21:20.13 | dwerf | i can still not configure /boot/grub/menu.lst so i can boot windows |
| 21:20.15 | Ronin | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution |
| 21:20.23 | dwerf | what are the settings? |
| 21:20.25 | Ronin | it says that Gospel not that it is debian |
| 21:20.31 | Rydekull | http://www.dataretentionisnosolution.com/ <-- important, signup |
| 21:20.35 | PerfDave | Gospel: It says it is *based* on Debian. It also says "It is NOT real Debian". Now go to #mepis. |
| 21:20.38 | Gospel | Ronin, so should I use Debain instead of mepis? |
| 21:20.44 | PerfDave | !debain |
| 21:20.44 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 21:20.57 | PerfDave | Gospel: Yes, because #mepis are hopeless ;) |
| 21:21.00 | Gospel | PerfDave, why are you so rude and nasty? |
| 21:21.06 | Ronin | Gospel: debian, its a personal call use what you want but go to the correct channel for support |
| 21:21.08 | TheAsp | Gospel: sport. |
| 21:21.13 | TheAsp | :) |
| 21:21.23 | PerfDave | Gospel: I'm being perfectly polite to you. I'm just correcting your misconception that Mepis is the same thing as Debian. |
| 21:21.44 | Gospel | PerfDave, why are you so self righteous? dont you realise ego/pride and self righteoussnes is very very ugly :( and this attitude will keep you lonely with no friends ever |
| 21:21.51 | Lanix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.55 | Gospel | goodbye |
| 21:21.57 | Gospel | im leaving |
| 21:22.04 | PerfDave | Gospel: Please don't resort to ad hominem attacks. |
| 21:22.06 | Gospel | PerfDave, is very very nasty and rude and self righteous |
| 21:22.08 | blobaugh | wow you guys argue alot in here |
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| 21:22.12 | dwerf | what is the commands for listing my bootable devices? |
| 21:22.27 | Ronin | actually PerfDaves being on good behavior right now |
| 21:22.35 | Ronin | bah too late |
| 21:22.49 | PerfDave | Gosh, I'm going to go sobbing in my lonely lifestyle when I'm in bed with my beautiful girlfriend tonight :) |
| 21:22.49 | Phated | Actually, Gospel was an idiot. |
| 21:22.51 | blobaugh | Ronin: lol |
| 21:22.53 | streuner_ | Ronin: well, who asking you? |
| 21:23.02 | dwerf | what is the commands for listing my bootable devices? |
| 21:23.05 | Ronin | same person asking you streuner_ |
| 21:23.06 | Phated | PerfDave: The ever-lovely Eveeeee. |
| 21:23.19 | PerfDave | Phated: Yes, my life is terrible, and I have no friends. |
| 21:23.24 | streuner_ | dwerf: there isn't one, AFAIK |
| 21:23.34 | Phated | PerfDave: What an awful thing to say! *pat* |
| 21:23.43 | streuner_ | dwerf: there is fdisk |
| 21:23.49 | dwerf | thanx |
| 21:23.56 | PerfDave | dwerf: fdisk -l will list partitions on devices, which will tell you which partitions are bootable. |
| 21:24.07 | streuner_ | dwerf: which partitions marked as bootable, but if they bootable that's another question... |
| 21:24.19 | mct | streuner_> that knows nothings of bootable devices (CD, USB drives, floppies) |
| 21:24.27 | ansong | dwerf, your BIOS will also have something to do with it |
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| 21:24.33 | streuner_ | mct: scroll up |
| 21:24.37 | dwerf | i used to have a bootable windows partition in grub - not anymore |
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| 21:24.49 | dwerf | that is the problem |
| 21:24.51 | viper2k | hey I want to scan a subnet in my local network for active IP's whats the best way to do so ? |
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| 21:25.05 | PerfDave | dwerf: You can specify the kernels and partitions in your /boot/grub/kernel.lst |
| 21:25.08 | PerfDave | viper2k: nmap |
| 21:25.16 | x2 | viper2k : nmap -sP 10.10.10.* like this |
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| 21:25.22 | mct | viper2k> hping2 but nmaps works too |
| 21:25.22 | dwerf | PerfDave, that sounds very advanced |
| 21:25.28 | viper2k | thanks guys |
| 21:25.29 | CSWookie | Hmm. I'm having some problems getting this kerberos to work. When I do kinit alehmann, there's a long wait, and then it says "kinit(v5): Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm while getting initial credentials." I've run krb5_newrealm and done addprinc alehmann in kadmin.local. |
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| 21:25.35 | CSWookie | Can someone here help me? |
| 21:25.45 | PerfDave | dwerf: It's just a file you can read in a text editor. What did you do to make it disappear in the first place? |
| 21:25.57 | PerfDave | CSWookie: You probably want to /msg chanserv list *kerberos* |
| 21:26.22 | dwerf | PerfDave: after installing a second kernel, 2.4 |
| 21:26.29 | PerfDave | dwerf: How did you install the second kernel? |
| 21:26.54 | x2 | !tell x2 chkconfig |
| 21:26.55 | dwerf | PerfDave, i think by accident, through the package manager |
| 21:27.02 | resiak | PerfDave: menu.lst, not kernel.lst |
| 21:27.28 | PerfDave | dwerf: You installed a kernel-image package? That shouldn't have upset your Windows entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst (cheers resiak) |
| 21:27.33 | x2 | there is an chkconfig (rh,suse,mdk) like ? |
| 21:27.47 | dwerf | PerfDave, is that a serious problem? |
| 21:27.47 | PerfDave | x2: Dunno, what does chkconfig do? |
| 21:27.50 | mct | chkconfig is a redhat-ism |
| 21:28.02 | dwerf | PerfDave, or is it easily fixed? |
| 21:28.05 | x2 | chkconfig sets the active services at boot |
| 21:28.17 | mct | and included with those derived/share with from redhat |
| 21:28.18 | PerfDave | dwerf: Personally, I'd find not being unable to boot Windows a problem ;) |
| 21:28.19 | x2 | on each runlevel |
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| 21:28.27 | PerfDave | x2: update-rc.d |
| 21:28.29 | x2 | PerfDave : lool |
| 21:28.35 | PerfDave | x2: But there's no need to play with runlevels on Debian. |
| 21:28.45 | samuel | PerfDave, amen to that! |
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| 21:28.51 | saman | x2: look into update-rc.d |
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| 21:28.54 | jetx | hey apt-file gives me this (and yes apt-get update & apt-file update are up2date) : zcat: /var/cache/apt/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_Contents-i386.gz: unexpected end of file |
| 21:29.02 | x2 | yes, i got it, thanks |
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| 21:29.04 | PerfDave | dwerf: I'm trying to work out how this Windows entry disappeared in the first place. It was in your grub menu before you installed this 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:29.23 | CSWookie | It'd be a problem for me... It would mean my laptop is broken. |
| 21:29.25 | dwerf | PerfDave, yes it was |
| 21:29.27 | PerfDave | dwerf: It shouldn't be a problem to "fix", I'm just trying to work out what went wrong in the first place. |
| 21:29.28 | streuner_ | jetx: try switching the mirror |
| 21:29.28 | jair | mct, excuse me I was busy I am at work now... |
| 21:29.55 | dwerf | PerfDave, after installing the 2.4 kernel, the grub settings had changed |
| 21:30.04 | blobaugh | http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page << is there something like this but for debian? |
| 21:30.07 | jetx | grubupdate or something automatically moves/deletes what you typed in menu.lst |
| 21:30.13 | yoo | Please help me ! |
| 21:30.16 | yoo | openoffice.org: Damnit! I can't find OpenOffice's conffiles. |
| 21:30.22 | PerfDave | dwerf: That's very strange. Installing Debian kernel-image packages should just add them to the list, not remove anything. |
| 21:30.22 | jair | mct, so you were telling me that I should create a new line that will look like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost caracas |
| 21:30.24 | yoo | Did you delete or modify /etc/openoffice/autoresponse.conf manually? |
| 21:30.31 | yoo | To restore the files you should purge openoffice.org and reinstall, |
| 21:30.33 | jetx | streuner_: okie. but i did.. oh wait i did on OTHER box... |
| 21:30.34 | dwerf | PerfDave, I know |
| 21:30.35 | streuner_ | blobaugh: of course |
| 21:30.36 | jair | mct, sorry 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost xenon |
| 21:30.39 | yoo | or use 'dpkg --force-confmiss' to reinstall the openoffice.org .deb |
| 21:30.42 | Rydekull | Hmm, all european guys/girls, this is important, sign up on this one: http://www.dataretentionisnosolution.com/ |
| 21:30.43 | blobaugh | streuner_: link? |
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| 21:30.44 | PerfDave | dwerf: Try running "update-grub" as root? |
| 21:30.45 | dwerf | PerfDave: it sucks |
| 21:30.55 | dwerf | PerfDave: in konsole? |
| 21:30.58 | jair | mct, and you are saying create a new line under this one? |
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| 21:31.07 | yoo | i don't known dpkg --force-confmiss |
| 21:31.21 | yoo | How do use it |
| 21:31.21 | PerfDave | dwerf: Yeah, or any other xterm / terminal ;) |
| 21:31.31 | jair | mct, but in the one that start with 127.0.0.1 I just have to delete the "xenon" at the end? |
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| 21:31.36 | dwerf | it finds both kernels, 2.4 as well as 2.6 |
| 21:31.42 | mct | jair> remove the word xenon from the line with 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:31.44 | dwerf | PerfDave: it finds both kernels, 2.4 as well as 2.6 |
| 21:31.54 | jair | mct, ok I got that. |
| 21:31.55 | PerfDave | dwerf: but no mention of your windows partition? |
| 21:31.57 | mct | then add a new line with the IP and the hostname |
| 21:32.08 | dwerf | PerfDave: nothing |
| 21:32.11 | mct | 123.456.789 hostname hostname.domain.us |
| 21:32.22 | jair | mct, perfect |
| 21:32.27 | PerfDave | dwerf: Does "grep -i windows /boot/grub/menu.lst" return anything? |
| 21:32.30 | streuner_ | blobaugh: Have you ever tried google? |
| 21:32.51 | jetx | i told you about the magically disappearing entries |
| 21:32.51 | streuner_ | blobaugh: and /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 21:32.52 | jair | mct, so we never should delete the line or change the line of the 127.0.0.1 right? |
| 21:33.09 | jetx | there's something else you have to change (that i got disgusted trying to find) |
| 21:33.14 | blobaugh | wow this room is amazing |
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| 21:33.32 | jair | mct, otherwise i will have problems because that is the local something? |
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| 21:33.38 | jetx | so they aint fixed the ftp master problem yet i take it |
| 21:33.39 | LSorensen | blo: what it only has 800 people in it. Now 10000 would be amazing. :) |
| 21:33.49 | mct | jair> the loopback is important, never remove that entire line |
| 21:33.52 | streuner_ | LSorensen: he left |
| 21:33.57 | dwerf | PerfDAve: # title Windows 95/98/NT/2000 |
| 21:34.02 | streuner_ | !customer |
| 21:34.02 | mikson | how can i check what program uses what device |
| 21:34.02 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 21:34.04 | jair | mct, perfect I got it loopback |
| 21:34.15 | jair | mct, thank you very much for your help. |
| 21:34.17 | ansong | a while back, i installed cups-pdf and everything configured itself nicely. everything could print to a pdf file that was automagically stored in ~/Xprintjobs . i boot up yesterday and my options to print to pdf are gone. does anyone know how to get that back? |
| 21:34.22 | dwerf | PerfDave: that's odd |
| 21:34.22 | PerfDave | dwerf: OK, that's the example in the config file. |
| 21:34.25 | jetx | thanks streuner_ it fixed it |
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| 21:34.36 | jair | mct, do you know anything about samba server? |
| 21:34.38 | mikson | im getting this error oss devide /dev/dsp is already in use by other program |
| 21:34.40 | mikson | or software |
| 21:34.47 | PerfDave | dwerf: I'm going to paste the bottom of my /boot/grub/menu.lst for you, you need to put something similar at the bottom of yours. God knows why it's not there already. |
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| 21:34.57 | jair | mct, I just have two little questions about it |
| 21:35.04 | mct | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:35.30 | jair | and the people in #samba are kind of sleepy. |
| 21:35.35 | mct | jair> samba is evil, and my rates are expensive :) |
| 21:35.40 | dwerf | PerfDave: where can i find it? |
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| 21:35.47 | greenfly | mikson: are you using Gnome or KDE or something else? |
| 21:35.50 | mikson | kde |
| 21:35.57 | StarFire | hi all |
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| 21:35.58 | mikson | it fixed it self |
| 21:36.01 | greenfly | KDE probably has aRts turned on |
| 21:36.09 | mikson | im getting it when i try to play some songs |
| 21:36.10 | paster | "PerfDave" at 80.5.160.8 pasted "Bottom of /boot/grub/menu.lst for dwerf" (15 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/402 |
| 21:36.14 | dwerf | PerfDave: shouldn't i first figure out what exact partition my windows boot is located? |
| 21:36.24 | PerfDave | dwerf: You'll need to know which is your Windows partition, yes. |
| 21:36.26 | greenfly | mikson: check the sound settings in the KDE control center and see if the sound server is enabled |
| 21:36.32 | mikson | ok |
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| 21:36.39 | mikson | and if its not enable it ? |
| 21:36.51 | StarFire | Anyone knows when the ftp master servers go back online? |
| 21:36.53 | PerfDave | dwerf: You should already have the "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" at the bottom. |
| 21:36.53 | greenfly | no, if it's enabled, disable it |
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| 21:37.05 | greenfly | mikson: either that, or use an audio player that supports aRts |
| 21:37.15 | mikson | ok |
| 21:37.23 | mikson | how can i check if it supports arts |
| 21:37.31 | mikson | im kidna noob in linux just started |
| 21:37.41 | greenfly | mikson: what music player are you using? |
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| 21:37.47 | mikson | amoroK |
| 21:37.50 | dwerf | PerfDave: i use fdisk to see which partition is which? |
| 21:38.01 | greenfly | mikson: it should, go into its preferences |
| 21:38.16 | greenfly | mikson: you should see something that mentions "OSS" maybe "ALSA" maybe "ESD" |
| 21:38.22 | mikson | ok |
| 21:38.27 | PerfDave | dwerf: fdisk -l will list the partitions on a disk. You can use a tool like qtparted as well, which will give a more graphical representation. |
| 21:38.47 | greenfly | mikson: apt-get install amarok-arts |
| 21:38.57 | greenfly | mikson: then amarok should have the aRts engine it needs |
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| 21:39.18 | jetx | StarFire: workaround for me was change ftp.us.debian.org to ftp.debian.org |
| 21:39.19 | sean_micken|wtf | after installing the kernel-image-2.6.8 kernel (upgrade from 2.4) i get a kernel panic (something about dev/console missing and something about pivot_root?)... i am using sata drives and i tried changing to root=/dev/hda3 to root=/dev/sda3 in grub, but it didn't help... ideas? |
| 21:39.19 | greenfly | mikson: at that point go to the amarok preferences, go to the engines section, and select the aRts engine |
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| 21:39.49 | mikson | thx man |
| 21:39.53 | greenfly | mikson: np |
| 21:39.58 | jetx | sean_micken: try apt-get install module-init-tools (iirc) |
| 21:39.59 | StarFire | jetx: Thanks I'll probably do that... |
| 21:40.03 | mikson | o and i have other problem i have to configure alsa every time i run linux |
| 21:40.05 | chris____ | how do you enable completion for apt? |
| 21:40.09 | mikson | is there a fix for that |
| 21:40.11 | chris____ | tab compleltion |
| 21:40.14 | deadcat | chris____: . /etc/bash_completion |
| 21:40.16 | sean_micken|wtf | jetx: i've got that. |
| 21:40.17 | StarFire | On the other hand: The servers can't be away forever... |
| 21:40.18 | chris____ | i forget what |
| 21:40.20 | chris____ | deadcat thx |
| 21:40.20 | dwerf | PerfDave: two partitions are HPFS/NTFS, one is W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
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| 21:41.07 | PerfDave | dwerf: Which ones have the bootable flag? |
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| 21:41.24 | chris____ | deadcat i thought there was a package that needed to be installed too... |
| 21:41.28 | jetx | sean_micken: i know nothing about sata drives :( i tried... |
| 21:41.31 | dwerf | PerfDave: what is the bootable flag? is it the asterix? |
| 21:41.35 | mct | dwerf> the Ext'd is a logical partition (i.e. not what you're looking for) |
| 21:41.38 | jetx | yes the asterisk |
| 21:41.41 | PerfDave | dwerf: yes |
| 21:42.04 | dwerf | that points to a HPFS/NTFS partition |
| 21:42.11 | dwerf | PerfDave: that points to a HPFS/NTFS partition |
| 21:42.13 | PerfDave | dwerf: Which partition? |
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| 21:42.19 | mithi | hi i still have a problem with the ati driver: i could create the right modules in the kernel. But when i try to install the ati driver i get an error: /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/agpgart_be.c In Function >>agp_find_supported_device<< nxt line: /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/agpgart_be.c :7136 error: structure has no member named 'slot_name'. there are more such lines but almost the same ones. Do anyone one know what to do. I caN# |
| 21:42.34 | jetx | sean_micken: 'maybe' after you changed it to sda from hda grub-update ? but i know nothing of grub either |
| 21:42.41 | dwerf | hda2 |
| 21:42.46 | chris____ | deadcat nm, got it |
| 21:42.46 | jair | mct, ohh ok sorry |
| 21:42.47 | chris____ | thx |
| 21:42.49 | dwerf | PerfDave: hda2 |
| 21:42.59 | greenfly | mikson: I don't seem to have that issue. make sure alsa-utils is installed |
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| 21:43.07 | jetx | alsa-base |
| 21:43.12 | jair | mct, but seriusly thank you for not charging me in the question i did to you before. :) |
| 21:43.14 | PerfDave | dwerf: OK, you want "root (hd0,1)" in your menu.lst |
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| 21:43.21 | greenfly | i'll let jetx take over |
| 21:43.26 | jetx | nonono |
| 21:43.37 | jetx | i hate alsa also |
| 21:43.38 | mct | mithi> read the ATI docs, I have no interest in supporting closed source software |
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| 21:43.49 | streuner_ | jetx: why? |
| 21:44.02 | jetx | it's not simple and easy streuner_ |
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| 21:44.09 | streuner_ | there is NO reason to hate ALSA, most users just use ALSA |
| 21:44.31 | lawnjam | is there anything in debian that can alert when a disk is getting full? |
| 21:44.36 | streuner_ | jetx: well, using 2.6.x kernel and running 'alsaconf' is damn easy? |
| 21:44.42 | saman | mitchi: did u install the driver using the new ATI installer or converting from an RPM package? |
| 21:44.52 | mikson | ok |
| 21:45.16 | jayeola | um, where's the plain old mplayer in sarge? not in the repo? |
| 21:45.19 | jair | I think that people if come to this channel should be able of 1) Ask questions to get support and 2)People with knowledge and goodwill of help be able of provide those answers, it is ridiculus ask for a rate or hours of payment or collaboration $$$ this is a open source server we should not be talking about ridiculus Money $ |
| 21:45.21 | jetx | streuner_: afaik, you don't have to run alsaconf with a 2.6. it actually works out of the box with a fresh install |
| 21:45.34 | shingouz | jayeola: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:45.38 | jetx | which is weird. and it doesn't sound shitty anymore on my sblive |
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| 21:45.39 | jayeola | ty! |
| 21:45.47 | jayeola | thank you shingouz |
| 21:45.49 | shingouz | np |
| 21:45.52 | streuner_ | jetx: in linux nothing works out of the box ... ;-) |
| 21:45.57 | mithi | mct: i did everything like in the official guide and i tried (almost the same) the help guides from the internet :-/ |
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| 21:46.06 | jair | If I am here is because i want to help those newbies than me and get support from thouse that are more experienced than me. |
| 21:46.12 | jetx | streuner_: yeah, but alsa did! (this time) |
| 21:46.17 | mct | jair> you asked me to help you with a specific topic, I am not your personal helper |
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| 21:46.27 | mct | if you have a question, ask the channel, please |
| 21:46.37 | saman | mitchi: did u install the driver using the new ATI installer or converting from an RPM package? |
| 21:46.48 | jayeola | heh - i got help in 30 seconds. must be a record ;-) |
| 21:47.02 | jetx | mct: how do i fix this thingy here that doesn't werk... (j/k) |
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| 21:47.07 | mct | and I get paid forwork with Linux, they don't expect to answer questions for free |
| 21:47.18 | streuner_ | jetx: if your soundcard is _supported_ in ALSA its easy... |
| 21:47.21 | shingouz | jayeola: yea. or a mistake on my part. or maybe i am just growing soft lately |
| 21:47.24 | shingouz | ;) |
| 21:47.39 | streuner_ | jetx: so what soundcard do you have? |
| 21:47.51 | jetx | streuner_: it sucked previously. and there are still sblive issues. but it does function. |
| 21:47.53 | mct | mithi> most likely cause is a version mismatch, which version of X are you using? |
| 21:47.55 | mithi | saman: i tied all ways, but with the ati installer i always get this errors. With the rpm file i could make it without erorrs but after reboot nothing happens :/ i tried x.org and xfree86 |
| 21:47.55 | jetx | sblive |
| 21:48.14 | mct | what X servers does the ati download support? |
| 21:48.18 | streuner_ | jetx: emu10k1 is pretty well supported in ALSA or OSS |
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| 21:48.33 | mithi | mct: the newest one, 4.3... i have a pci express card |
| 21:48.37 | streuner_ | jetx: Audigy? |
| 21:48.49 | saman | mitchi: what kernel? If you don't know, do a uname -r |
| 21:49.03 | mithi | saman: 2.6.12.3 |
| 21:49.13 | jetx | streuner_: my sound card works with both alsa and oss. it's an sblive 5.1. i love you man! |
| 21:49.43 | mithi | saman: sarge should be up-to-date ^^ |
| 21:49.59 | mct | mithi> 4.3 is quite old, I don't know if it will support pci-express |
| 21:50.02 | jetx | the master volume doesn't control the back speakers though |
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| 21:50.22 | jetx | least it doesn't sound crappy like it did before with alsa |
| 21:50.24 | mithi | mct: but i tried that also with x.org6.8 |
| 21:50.50 | saman | saman: are you using sid/etch? I trust that you tried converting the RPM package using alien? |
| 21:51.06 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 21:51.07 | mithi | The Problem is the fglrx module :/ |
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| 21:51.21 | jayeola | man - i really need help with "gpm". installed from netsinstall cd. kinda stuck |
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| 21:51.28 | jetx | yoo: where is hoo |
| 21:51.34 | cadu | how do i use udev with debian ? |
| 21:51.46 | yoo | hi jetx :) |
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| 21:51.49 | Derkommissar | im trying to run the ulimit -something command from a shell script |
| 21:51.51 | Derkommissar | and it doesnt work |
| 21:51.57 | yoo | use 'dpkg --force-confmiss' to reinstall the openoffice.org .deb |
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| 21:52.02 | Derkommissar | :-/ now i cant locate the bin for ulimit |
| 21:52.10 | TheAsp | there is no bin for ulimit |
| 21:52.13 | yoo | somebody can help me |
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| 21:52.22 | Derkommissar | how can i invoque it from a shell script ? |
| 21:52.23 | mct | mithi> sorry I don't have any advice for you |
| 21:52.27 | yoo | i can't launch openoofice |
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| 21:52.34 | yoo | i can't launch openoffice |
| 21:52.36 | mithi | mct: ok, but thx |
| 21:52.41 | Derkommissar | i though it migth be in /bin/local/ulimit but is not |
| 21:52.46 | jayeola | is /dev/psaux ok for a laptop? [configguring mouse with gpm] |
| 21:52.49 | TheAsp | Derkommissar: it's part of the shell |
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| 21:52.51 | yoo | i have purge him and réinstall it's the same |
| 21:52.59 | Derkommissar | :-/ |
| 21:52.59 | TheAsp | Derkommissar: just like there is no /usr/bin/if |
| 21:53.02 | saman | mithi: I have an ATI card and it seemed to work fine with the XFree available in Sarge |
| 21:53.08 | jetx | !gpm |
| 21:53.08 | dpkg | gpm is, like, if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
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| 21:53.12 | mct | Derkommissar> man bash |
| 21:53.14 | fatal__ | jayeola: if you're using a 2.6 kernel you probably want to go with /dev/input/mice .... |
| 21:53.22 | mct | assuming you're using bash shell |
| 21:53.22 | Derkommissar | so how can i invoque it from a shell script ? |
| 21:53.27 | Derkommissar | yes |
| 21:53.34 | fatal__ | jayeola: (and that's always a IMPS2, no matter which mouse you have btw...) |
| 21:53.49 | jetx | unless you don't have a scrollwheel iirc |
| 21:53.59 | jetx | but who doesn't |
| 21:54.11 | jayeola | nah - this is a laptop |
| 21:54.15 | ch | jetx, silly question. What does IIRC mean? |
| 21:54.22 | jetx | !iirc |
| 21:54.22 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 21:54.37 | mithi | saman: i never saw any kind off window-system on my new card. Since i installed Linux i can't start kde, gnome or x-window ... |
| 21:54.37 | ch | ok |
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| 21:54.51 | mithi | saman: -f |
| 21:55.21 | jetx | ch: i had to ask once too |
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| 21:55.42 | saman | mithi: what error does kde/gnome/x-window give you? |
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| 21:56.17 | mct | Derkommissar> #!/bin/bash ulimit -c 1000 |
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| 21:56.37 | jayeola | fatal__: !!!!! it works. i got a mouse!! |
| 21:56.38 | jetx | !xwontstart |
| 21:56.39 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 21:56.42 | cadu | !lmao |
| 21:56.42 | dpkg | from memory, lmao is laughing my ass off, or see lol |
| 21:56.45 | cadu | !lol |
| 21:56.46 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
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| 21:56.48 | da4n1 | can dpkg-reconfigure or detect my mouse somehow? |
| 21:56.49 | FieldySnuts | !irritate cadu |
| 21:56.50 | dpkg | cadu: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound plz msg me, netman1 |
| 21:57.11 | jetx | da4n1: apt-get install mdetect read-edid |
| 21:57.12 | cadu | !kill FieldySnuts |
| 21:57.13 | FieldySnuts | poor netman1 |
| 21:57.14 | jetx | then maybe |
| 21:57.26 | jayeola | fatal__: nice one! thank you! |
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| 21:58.02 | jetx | xorg autodetects much more nicely |
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| 21:58.32 | mithi | saman: Errors from xbcomp are not fatal to the X Server No Core Pointer Fatal Server Error: failed to initiliaze core devices |
| 21:58.41 | jetx | no mouse |
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| 21:59.03 | jetx | try modprobe mousedev, it used to work |
| 21:59.07 | mct | see the error log, look for first (EE) in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 21:59.11 | PissedTrixBunny | to add something to the end of a txt file, you use: echo "stuff" >> file.... how do you add something to the top of the file? |
| 21:59.12 | jetx | but i think that one got fixed |
| 21:59.15 | jp- | anyone know what if it's possible to disable the delay for the connect success response of postfix? yes i know it's for helping preventing spam. |
| 21:59.27 | kantai | hmmm, my usb sound card works over OSS, but doesn't appear as an alsa card, I've got usb-snd-audio and usb-snd-lib loaded, anyone know what else I would need? |
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| 21:59.35 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 21:59.35 | dpkg | i guess alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
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| 21:59.49 | cadu | is it hard to set udev on debian ? |
| 22:00.03 | PissedTrixBunny | !udev |
| 22:00.03 | dpkg | udev is probably at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 22:00.07 | Aradorn | if i want a program to run when the comp boots what comamnd is that? |
| 22:00.09 | saman | mithi: then the problem is not the ATI driver, but the fact that XFree/XOrg doesn't detect a mouse ... |
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| 22:00.31 | jetx | !info udev |
| 22:00.35 | cadu | PissedTrixBunny: so i'm better off using the normal /dev ? |
| 22:00.36 | mithi | saman: XIO: fatal IO error 104 /Connection reset by peer) on X Server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known command) with 0 events remaining. xauth:(argv):1: bad display name "Woody:0" in "remove" command |
| 22:00.37 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.063-1 (sid), Packaged size: 286 kB, Installed size: 888 kB |
| 22:00.42 | mct | PissedTrixBunny> echo >/tmp/myfile ; cat filename >>/tmp/myfile ; mv /tmp/myfile filename |
| 22:00.49 | kantai | jetx, that doesn't help, both snd-pcm-oss and snd-seq-oss would need to be loaded before snd-usb-audio, so both are already loaded |
| 22:00.54 | jetx | udev is weird |
| 22:00.58 | jetx | ok |
| 22:01.02 | mithi | saman: the end of the error |
| 22:01.08 | FarrisG | Is there a way to background a process so that it does not get killed when the console that started it dies or is closed? |
| 22:01.10 | cadu | jetx: okz |
| 22:01.10 | PissedTrixBunny | mct, haha I guess that's going to be the way,,, |
| 22:01.14 | dwerf | is W95 Ext'd (LBA) the bootable windows partition? |
| 22:01.23 | cadu | FarrisG: use 'screen' |
| 22:01.24 | saman | dwerf: no |
| 22:01.28 | elmig | i installed Debian and FreeBSD on the same computer. Running glxgears on both i get: ~250 FPS on DEbian's Xorg and ~1500 on FreeBSD's Xorg. Can anybody explain me the difference? It's the compilation of both? drivers? ?? |
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| 22:01.32 | jetx | an extended partition shouldn't be bootable |
| 22:01.38 | dwerf | saman: what is? |
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| 22:01.53 | cadu | FarrisG: or 'nohup <cmd> &' |
| 22:01.55 | FarrisG | FarrisG: Is screen the only way to do it? |
| 22:01.55 | Warp4 | hi all anyone here using cnews, nntp and suck? |
| 22:01.56 | jetx | hda usually, can be different (b c d) |
| 22:02.03 | FarrisG | ahh |
| 22:02.07 | Skyblaze | is there a debian for a p4 @ 64 bit? |
| 22:02.09 | Gathond | elmig: I bet the debian one runs software OpenGL |
| 22:02.18 | cadu | FarrisG: but the latter is worse...screen does it finely :) |
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| 22:02.24 | jetx | i think i heard amd64 is for both? |
| 22:02.25 | mithi | saman: but when i can't install the fglrx module correctly then the ati driver can't work, too |
| 22:02.27 | elmig | Gathond, how can i check that? |
| 22:02.33 | dwerf | saman: i have 2 NTFS partitions |
| 22:02.39 | Gathond | elmig: glxinfo, look for the Direct rendering line |
| 22:02.47 | Skyblaze | jetx, maybe.....but it is not official anyway...true? |
| 22:02.49 | jetx | one of the ntfs parts is 'probably' your boot part |
| 22:02.56 | jetx | true |
| 22:02.56 | Skyblaze | i don't see it in the net install page isos |
| 22:02.57 | PissedTrixBunny | mct, yeah... if the process happens to breaks in between... I'm doom! haha.... I'm trying to add stuff to config files.... |
| 22:03.01 | cadu | Gathond: is it true that xorg has better performance than xfree? i'm getting such low framerates in Doom3 and i get usually far more in windows...one said it could be because i'm using still xfree... |
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| 22:03.16 | saman | dwerf: do a "fdisk -l`, the partition which has an asterix in the "Boot" column is the the windows partition |
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| 22:03.23 | mct | elmig> most likely different X configs, does one use binary drivers? |
| 22:03.33 | jayeola | what's a decent text-based mail client to use? mutt/pine? |
| 22:03.34 | elmig | norris, off the shell |
| 22:03.36 | FieldySnuts | cadu: definately. not huge but noticeable |
| 22:03.38 | Gathond | cadu: dont think so, the drivers included in specific versions and your card might influence it though |
| 22:03.39 | jetx | mutt |
| 22:03.42 | jayeola | ty |
| 22:03.48 | elmig | norris, off the shell - both |
| 22:03.53 | cadu | Gathond: nvidia drivers |
| 22:03.59 | jetx | jayeola: it 'should' already be installed |
| 22:04.03 | jayeola | k |
| 22:04.03 | Gathond | X.org could easily have a better driver for some card then XFree86 and vice versa |
| 22:04.15 | PissedTrixBunny | !xorg |
| 22:04.16 | cadu | Gathond: i'm getting 19~46 fps in windows and 10~25 in Debian sarge |
| 22:04.16 | dpkg | from memory, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 22:04.24 | Gathond | cadu: dont know much about their drivers, but check if DRI is enabled anyhow |
| 22:04.24 | elmig | In Debian's glxinfo: direct rendering: No |
| 22:04.32 | Gathond | elmig: so software OpenGL |
| 22:04.39 | jetx | jayeola: pine is in non-free, and you have to compile it, if you wanna. |
| 22:04.42 | cadu | Gathond: it's :) i can run stepmania/quake3/etc etc |
| 22:04.50 | FieldySnuts | cadu: not a big enough difference to matter in gaming however |
| 22:05.08 | cadu | FieldySnuts: so why is the windows version far faster? o_O |
| 22:05.13 | cadu | :( |
| 22:05.16 | saman | mitchi: sorry, don't have any advise - but both the installers and the coverted-RPM should work as long as you have the kernel osurces/headers installed. I've converted the RPM to a DEB and use it on 4 different machiones, and it has worked so far |
| 22:05.22 | jayeola | k jetx |
| 22:05.27 | Gathond | cadu: those would also run in software OGL probably, although probably not with 10 FPS, more like 0.01 |
| 22:05.31 | Derkommissar | i want a terminal for x that would not hug up as much as the gnome-terminal does... but that would give me funtions like copy-n-paste and scroll back,,, something as ligth as xterm but with the basic features |
| 22:05.32 | elmig | Gathond, and FreeBSD's Xorg uses Direct Rendering: yes |
| 22:05.32 | jetx | you remove glcore and dri and yes to glx and say no to framebuffer, for nvidia |
| 22:05.33 | FieldySnuts | cadu: hell if i know, couldn't care less anyway, closed game |
| 22:05.36 | elmig | hummm |
| 22:05.46 | saman | mithi: is it a pci-express? |
| 22:05.52 | mithi | saman: yes |
| 22:05.54 | jayeola | piza-express |
| 22:05.56 | elmig | any reason for debian using Software rendering? |
| 22:05.59 | Gathond | elmig: so congrats :) getting DRI enabled has always given me headaches |
| 22:06.01 | mithi | ^^ |
| 22:06.06 | FieldySnuts | probably because you didn't configure it right (user error) |
| 22:06.12 | cadu | FieldySnuts: oh you're one of those opengames only ? |
| 22:06.27 | jetx | doom will be open eventually |
| 22:06.32 | cadu | Derkommissar: xterm |
| 22:06.36 | saman | mithi: have you checked that the current ATI drivers support the PCI-E card? |
| 22:06.40 | ouch | I installed hostap drivers for my senao 2511 ext2. They don't work, I am trying to go back to the orinoco_cs drivers. I have taken all references out of the config file(and replaced with "orinoco_cs"), and uninstalled hostap packages. It is still loading the host ap drivers. Please help! |
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| 22:06.59 | cadu | jetx: doom? freedoom .wad you know...but the doom/doom2 .wads are still copyrighted :) |
| 22:07.00 | ryan` | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 22:07.00 | ryan` | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 22:07.08 | ryan` | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 22:07.09 | CSWookie | .leave |
| 22:07.11 | FieldySnuts | cadu: i wouldn't use debian if I didn't care about free/Free software. you're a hypocrite if you use debian and used closed software. |
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| 22:07.13 | Derkommissar | xterm doesnt let you copy and paste,nor it lets you scroll back |
| 22:07.22 | jetx | cadu: yes now, but eventually it will be opensource. one year. |
| 22:07.24 | mithi | saman: yes. that is the newsone from ATI and in the change log is writen that is support all cards from x300-x800 and i have x300 |
| 22:07.29 | jetx | or some year rather |
| 22:07.45 | cadu | FieldySnuts: so i'm a hypocrite coz i like to play some games? i think you're a os nut :) |
| 22:07.46 | fortysixand2 | other than disabling services and recompiling the kernel, what can I do to speed up boot time? |
| 22:08.11 | saman | mithi: sorry, don't have any advise - but both the installers and the coverted-RPM should work as long as you have the kernel sources/headers installed. I've converted the RPM to a DEB and use it on 4 different machines, and it has worked so far |
| 22:08.13 | ryan` | fortysixand2, get a faster computer? ;) |
| 22:08.14 | mct | Derkommissar> xterm does, just not as pretty |
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| 22:08.20 | jetx | fortysixand2: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and tell it you have dialup |
| 22:08.25 | fortysixand2 | ryan`: 2Ghx turion with 1.5GB RAM |
| 22:08.27 | cadu | FieldySnuts: so if someone gives a .rar i can call him idiot and force him to use 7-zip or tar.bz2 or other? don't think so, doesn't works this way , i think people can choose |
| 22:08.28 | fortysixand2 | Ghz |
| 22:08.33 | fatal__ | fortysixand2: don't reboot? ;) |
| 22:08.41 | mithi | saman: yeah u already wrote that :), but thank you :) |
| 22:08.41 | jetx | ? |
| 22:08.52 | fortysixand2 | it's a laptop; shutdowns are inevitable |
| 22:08.54 | saman | mithi: try the ATI forums (if there are any, i don't know) or try contacting them directly (I will be surprised if you get any response) |
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| 22:09.07 | mithi | saman: hrhr |
| 22:09.23 | ouch | I installed hostap drivers for my senao 2511 ext2. They don't work, I am trying to go back to the orinoco_cs drivers. I have taken all references out of the config file(and replaced with "orinoco_cs"), and uninstalled hostap packages. It is still loading the host ap drivers. Please help! |
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| 22:09.25 | fatal__ | fortysixand2: suspend might work... but it's probably more headache then it's worth setting up right now. |
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| 22:09.38 | mithi | saman: Gn8 then :) and thank you |
| 22:09.50 | jetx | the biggest timewaster on_boot is exim4 |
| 22:09.50 | fortysixand2 | fatal__ I have been playing with it, with no luck :( |
| 22:10.01 | jetx | i wasn't kidding btw |
| 22:10.26 | fortysixand2 | I don't have exim4 installed |
| 22:10.41 | jetx | you sure? it's installed by default |
| 22:11.07 | cadu | FieldySnuts: and let's be sincere , opensource still doesn't make the best games out there :) |
| 22:11.19 | fortysixand2 | yeah, I did apt-get install exim4, and it wanted to install it, its base, etc |
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| 22:11.51 | ouch | I installed hostap drivers for my senao 2511 ext2. They don't work, I am trying to go back to the orinoco_cs drivers. I have taken all references out of the config file(and replaced with "orinoco_cs"), and uninstalled hostap packages. It is still loading the host ap drivers. Please help! |
| 22:12.07 | fortysixand2 | when booting, I notice it does some things twice, like loading evdev and usb |
| 22:12.19 | fortysixand2 | I'll try to attack that next |
| 22:12.21 | jetx | was that once a woody box, or a very old testing, fortysixand2 ? |
| 22:12.45 | fortysixand2 | It was once a kanotix liveCD |
| 22:12.50 | fortysixand2 | not anymore though |
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| 22:12.55 | jetx | fortysixand2: blacklisting, for hotplug and discover, is how to fix those loading things |
| 22:12.58 | jetx | ahh |
| 22:13.12 | fortysixand2 | jetx: wil check that out. Thanks! |
| 22:13.13 | aurax | i can't belive it my service provider installed on my dedicated box etch and when i asked him to change installation to sarge he changed /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/debian_version and said 'fixed' |
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| 22:13.40 | jetx | lol@aurax's sp |
| 22:13.47 | ouch | I installed hostap drivers for my senao 2511 ext2. They don't work, I am trying to go back to the orinoco_cs drivers. I have taken all references out of the config file(and replaced with "orinoco_cs"), and uninstalled hostap packages. It is still loading the host ap drivers. Please help! |
| 22:14.01 | aurax | total lol |
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| 22:14.49 | jetx | ouch: there's update-modules (might help) and /etc/modules.conf could have been altered by that hostap thing... no idea. but that's where you 'might' wanna look |
| 22:15.10 | ouch | thanx, i'll try that |
| 22:15.16 | aurax | jetx if i live it this way and upgrade the with apt-get it will get fucked right? |
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| 22:15.53 | jetx | aurax: maybe. /msg dpkg downgrade, all i know. (it says 'doesn't work' btw) |
| 22:15.54 | aurax | leave* |
| 22:16.28 | FarrisG | cadu: What's the problem with using nohup? |
| 22:16.51 | Warp4 | hi all anyone here using cnews, nntp and suck? |
| 22:16.59 | HagGis | what program do u use to do the equivelent of windows disk cleanup |
| 22:17.09 | FieldySnuts | !u |
| 22:17.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:17.09 | phogg | HagGis: none |
| 22:17.12 | jetx | i suck! but no cnews or nntp |
| 22:17.13 | FieldySnuts | HagGis: rm |
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| 22:17.19 | cadu | FarrisG: nohup saves stdout to a file.... say...nohup.out...if your program spits a lot of (unnecessary to you) text you'll easily fill some MBs of text :) |
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| 22:17.43 | saman | HagGis: don't use any, as long as you do --purge when removing things |
| 22:17.44 | cadu | FarrisG: like nohuping a compiling...totally useless as you don't need all that text...you just need to compile a thing...so screen does better.... |
| 22:17.48 | phogg | HagGis: apt-get autoclean |
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| 22:17.51 | IsaacHaze | HagGis: rm -rf / |
| 22:17.52 | aurax | jetx this is sad |
| 22:17.56 | aurax | my isp is very lame |
| 22:17.59 | Warp4 | basically trying to set up a news server on my Ultra 5 under Etch and sorta trying to figure out how to get newsgroup articles into and out of the server. |
| 22:18.05 | jetx | !comfort aurax |
| 22:18.06 | dpkg | There, there, aurax. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:18.07 | cadu | FarrisG: just run 'screen' ... run your program and hit Ctrl-a 'd' to detach screen from your terminal.... |
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| 22:18.22 | HagGis | what about tmp files programs use |
| 22:18.29 | Gathond | HagGis: deborphan, or dpkg -l and look for programs you dont want anymore and remove them |
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| 22:18.30 | cadu | FarrisG: when you wanna comeback and see what's happening open some terminal/xterm and use 'screen -r' to reattach that screen to you |
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| 22:18.37 | Gathond | HagGis: /tmp is cleared during boot |
| 22:18.40 | phogg | HagGis: they mostly put them in /tmp, so rebooting deletes them |
| 22:18.57 | Gathond | HagGis: so the windows like filling it up thing generally never happens |
| 22:18.58 | HagGis | ok thanks |
| 22:19.04 | saman | HagGis: they are stored in /tmp ir /var/tmp, and will be deleted after each reboot |
| 22:19.05 | elmig | Gathond, any tips to enable DRI on Debian? |
| 22:19.10 | jetx | did they fix that find problem, in the tmp cleaning bootscript? |
| 22:19.15 | Gathond | HagGis: but if you really want you can probably delete them without anything bad happening |
| 22:19.22 | aurax | no clue |
| 22:19.38 | phogg | HagGis: you can rm -rf /tmp/* if you like, but it may cause a running app to become unhappy |
| 22:19.39 | Gathond | jetx: no idea, didn't know there were a problem |
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| 22:19.47 | bier | how can i add comments to the grub boot menu? |
| 22:19.55 | aurax | i just got email saying you had sarge installed, not etch, and debian_versions says testing/unstable |
| 22:19.56 | HagGis | well when u burn loads of iso's you tmp soon fills up |
| 22:20.01 | Gathond | elmig: ensure you have the DRI driver for your chipset loaded in the kernel |
| 22:20.02 | aurax | he just changed it to 3.1 damn lame |
| 22:20.07 | george_007 | Are there any new packages in unstable? apt-get didn't dowload anything to my machine fort hree days. |
| 22:20.16 | phogg | HagGis: so just rm /tmp/*iso |
| 22:20.17 | FarrisG | cadu: thanks man |
| 22:20.18 | jetx | error msg's on boot about the order of the switches |
| 22:20.34 | jetx | i forget |
| 22:20.47 | jetx | and reboot as little as possible |
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| 22:20.50 | HagGis | ok phogg thanks |
| 22:20.55 | aurax | nope |
| 22:20.57 | aurax | nothing |
| 22:21.00 | Gathond | elmig: I have also found using xlibs-mesagl (or what it is called) is alot better than mesa3-gl |
| 22:21.04 | HagGis | and every1 else |
| 22:21.06 | aurax | he just changed apt/debian_version |
| 22:21.11 | phogg | HagGis: and get kdirstat, cause it's just fun |
| 22:21.11 | saman | bier: do you mean to the configuration file or the actual menu |
| 22:21.27 | bier | saman: to the menu |
| 22:22.17 | harleyg | is it possible to get portage on debian? |
| 22:22.24 | PerfDave | harleyg: Why would you want it? |
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| 22:22.39 | harleyg | for emerge.. |
| 22:22.50 | HagGis | cheers phogg apt-get install kdirstat now :-) |
| 22:22.52 | PerfDave | harleyg: Why do you want emerge on Debian? We have apt-get. It works very well. |
| 22:22.56 | harleyg | yes |
| 22:23.07 | harleyg | but it doesnt update packages often enough.. |
| 22:23.07 | saman | bier: just add "title comment" (in a new line) and then "root" in a new line after that in /boot/grub/menu.1st |
| 22:23.11 | harleyg | i prefer emerge |
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| 22:23.20 | PerfDave | harleyg: So run Gentoo. |
| 22:23.20 | aurax | Jul 21 12:59:36 kernel: Linux version 2.4.27-1-386 (joshk@trollwife) (gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9)) #1 Fri Sep 3 0 |
| 22:23.24 | cadu | PerfDave: Perfect, Dave |
| 22:23.26 | cadu | (the answer) |
| 22:23.35 | cadu | sure thing, apt-get rocks |
| 22:23.35 | PerfDave | harleyg: The rate at which Debian updates packages is dependent on which branch of Debian you run. |
| 22:23.36 | harleyg | but i prefer debian for many other reasons |
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| 22:23.46 | bier | saman: thanks, i'll try it... |
| 22:23.49 | sabster | Can someone redirect me to a good channel for Windows support? Someone at work brought in a WinXP laptop and I'm lost as hell. |
| 22:23.50 | PerfDave | harleyg: Why do you prefer Debian? |
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| 22:23.56 | cadu | harleyg: is gentoo a bit strange/untidy? |
| 22:23.56 | PerfDave | sabster: #windows? |
| 22:24.04 | harleyg | because it is faster |
| 22:24.04 | HagGis | kdirstat: cannot connect to X server :0.0 BooooHoooo phogg |
| 22:24.08 | Shadowcat | sabster: #windowsxp at irc.efnet.org |
| 22:24.09 | harleyg | everything is done for you |
| 22:24.10 | sabster | PerfDave: I tried it :) Oh well, thanks anyways. |
| 22:24.11 | harleyg | unlike gentoo |
| 22:24.14 | sabster | Shadowcat: thanks |
| 22:24.15 | PerfDave | harleyg: Faster for what? |
| 22:24.16 | harleyg | where its manual install |
| 22:24.20 | harleyg | faster install |
| 22:24.21 | harleyg | ;) |
| 22:24.28 | aurax | jetx |
| 22:24.28 | PerfDave | harleyg: It's very simple. Either run Debian and use apt-get, or run Gentoo and use emerge. |
| 22:24.30 | aurax | i gothem ! |
| 22:24.30 | aurax | [01:24] <aurax> Jul 21 12:59:50 cdrom-detect: Detected CD 'Debian GNU/Linux testing "Sarge" - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20041121)' |
| 22:24.30 | aurax | [01:24] <aurax> Jul 21 12:59:53 cdrom-detect: Detected CD with 'testing' distribution |
| 22:24.36 | aurax | haha, lame |
| 22:24.40 | harleyg | yes but that wasnt my question |
| 22:24.46 | aurax | they installed testing and fucked around with the indentifiers. |
| 22:24.51 | harleyg | is it possible to get portage on debian |
| 22:24.54 | PerfDave | harleyg: If you want newer software in Debian, you can run the testing or unstable branches. But you won't get security updates, and you'll have more bugs. |
| 22:25.08 | harleyg | i do run testing/unstable |
| 22:25.10 | jetx | aurax: sarge used to be testing |
| 22:25.17 | aurax | yes, but its not |
| 22:25.18 | Warp4 | aurax did you download the 3.1rev0a images? |
| 22:25.20 | jetx | it's an old cd |
| 22:25.28 | PerfDave | harleyg: As far as I know, there is no way to use portage on Debian. It would make no sense to do so. |
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| 22:25.30 | jetx | and has the sources listed as testing |
| 22:25.31 | aurax | but better install the fresh new cd |
| 22:25.31 | aurax | right? |
| 22:25.42 | harleyg | it has been done.. i think |
| 22:25.42 | harleyg | lol |
| 22:25.45 | x2 | bye guys |
| 22:25.51 | cadu | a question |
| 22:25.52 | aurax | but still, its downloads the testing repositories |
| 22:26.01 | PerfDave | harleyg: Like I say, it would make no sense. |
| 22:26.04 | Warp4 | aurax you can change that |
| 22:26.08 | aurax | its okay? |
| 22:26.11 | aurax | without reinstalling |
| 22:26.14 | PerfDave | aurax: Uhm, you appear to be using a snapshot CD, not an official release. |
| 22:26.19 | cadu | i have a debian machine far away from any highspeed connection ... is there a way to download updates to it in other machine and bring them to that place using some program? |
| 22:26.27 | aurax | no good? |
| 22:26.31 | Warp4 | aurax just download the rev0a ISOs and do a fresh install from that. |
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| 22:26.44 | aurax | k, that's what i wanted to know |
| 22:26.50 | Warp4 | aurax you need to download the official release CDs |
| 22:26.56 | PerfDave | aurax: If your sources.list is pointing to Etch, you've installed software from Etch and can't downgrade the versions to Sarge. |
| 22:26.57 | jetx | cadu: just burn a up2date dvd |
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| 22:27.08 | aurax | PerfDave its sarge/testing |
| 22:27.11 | jetx | s/a/an/ |
| 22:27.13 | FieldySnuts | phew. that smells. |
| 22:27.14 | aurax | and not the official cd |
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| 22:27.24 | Warp4 | FieldySnuts LOL! |
| 22:27.27 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a world war |
| 22:27.27 | apt | Muslims rule! |
| 22:27.31 | cadu | jetx: no way to doing it other way? |
| 22:27.33 | aurax | lol |
| 22:27.56 | PerfDave | aurax: sarge/testing now makes no sense. |
| 22:28.09 | PerfDave | aurax: If your sources.list says testing, you need to reinstall. If it says sarge, you don't. |
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| 22:28.16 | aurax | it doesnt |
| 22:28.17 | aurax | thats the point |
| 22:28.18 | twirl83 | anyone uses mutt? |
| 22:28.19 | aurax | testing main |
| 22:28.20 | cadu | jetx: like...saving the machine's DB and taking it to other debian with highspeed connection and using some kind of (it exists?) program to download new packages for THAT db, then you would only burn some CDRW and get it to your old machine |
| 22:28.24 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: anyone use |
| 22:28.24 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:28.32 | jayeola | heh |
| 22:28.42 | PerfDave | aurax: Then you're running etch. |
| 22:28.49 | jetx | cadu: just download a full iso from debian.org, burn it, use it as a source on the other machine |
| 22:28.52 | jayeola | they made it for ppl not to use |
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| 22:29.03 | cadu | jetx: those debian-weekly isos ? |
| 22:29.12 | aurax | PerfDave : that's from the installation logs : Jul 21 12:59:50 cdrom-detect: Detected CD 'Debian GNU/Linux testing "Sarge" - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20041121)' |
| 22:29.18 | twirl83 | in mutt. set spoolfile =+ Inbox, what is the =+ for? I know that = is for the set folder thing, but =+ confused me |
| 22:29.23 | cadu | jetx: this is the point...having to download all packs for just using some.... |
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| 22:29.49 | jetx | cadu: or just d/l what you want from pdo |
| 22:29.51 | jetx | !pdo |
| 22:29.51 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 22:29.51 | jazzanova | how can i find out the font that is used by default by uxterm ? |
| 22:29.52 | PerfDave | aurax: Have you done an apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade off Internet sources since you installed? |
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| 22:30.07 | aurax | yes |
| 22:30.09 | aurax | of curz |
| 22:30.27 | PerfDave | aurax: Then you're running the current testing distribution, which is etch. |
| 22:30.40 | jayeola | where do these names come from? |
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| 22:30.54 | jayeola | woody, sarge, etch? |
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| 22:30.58 | PerfDave | aurax: If you want to run the current stable distribution, then you need to reinstall, from an official 3.1r0a ISO. |
| 22:31.01 | PerfDave | jayeola: Toy Story. |
| 22:31.07 | jayeola | !doh! |
| 22:31.07 | dpkg | well, doh is what homer simpson says when sid crashes |
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| 22:31.41 | jayeola | hrm, so what's next? buzz? |
| 22:31.52 | PerfDave | jayeola: No, buzz has been done. |
| 22:31.56 | PerfDave | jayeola: /msg dpkg releases |
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| 22:32.38 | jazzanova | how do i find a utf8 font that has the size of 9x15 ? |
| 22:32.40 | jayeola | thanks PerfDave |
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| 22:33.18 | phogg | PerfDave: wasn't there a 1.0? |
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| 22:33.38 | PerfDave | phogg: Not officially. I can't remember why, it was before my time :) |
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| 22:34.33 | yarko | Hi All... what is your favourite setup to have Wifi automatically configure itself for different networks which use WEP and don't broadcast their ESSID? |
| 22:34.49 | PerfDave | yarko: You mean to break into other people's networks? :) |
| 22:34.52 | tag | anyone familiar with user mode linux? |
| 22:35.18 | yarko | PerfDave: no no -- not today :-) |
| 22:35.33 | PerfDave | phogg: /msg dpkg debian history |
| 22:35.41 | saman | tag: I don't run a User Mode Linux, but I have a machine which runs a "virtual server" under UML |
| 22:35.43 | yarko | PerfDave: I even forgotten to install kismet on my fresh box |
| 22:35.56 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 22:36.01 | tag | yeah |
| 22:36.03 | tag | well |
| 22:36.05 | phogg | PerfDave: excellent. My thanks. |
| 22:36.05 | tag | thats what I'm trying to create |
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| 22:36.10 | tag | a virtual server under uml |
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| 22:36.28 | greenfly | yarko: i like to leverage the /etc/network/interfaces map feature with a custom perl script I wrote that uses iwlist to scan |
| 22:36.37 | greenfly | yarko: but that only works if a network returns something when iwlist scans it |
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| 22:36.54 | PerfDave | yarko: I've had a bit of a play with laptop-net but not much. |
| 22:37.11 | greenfly | laptop-net comes into play /after/ you are connected to the network |
| 22:37.22 | greenfly | but yeah, I use laptop-net as well once I'm on the network |
| 22:37.23 | detwolf | exit |
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| 22:37.32 | yarko | greenfly: well - I can probably do the same + part interfaces for a list of essid which might not broadcast... |
| 22:37.36 | saman | tag: and ... ? You should read the UML guides ... |
| 22:37.37 | PerfDave | greenfly: It does? I thought it came into play when you plugged in your wireless card. |
| 22:37.45 | PerfDave | tag: There was a UML article on http://www.debian-administration.org/ recently. But UML isn't packaged in Sarge, and for good reason; use the upstream sources for now. |
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| 22:37.54 | tag | saman: Which one? I've been reading lots of how-tos and crap with no luck |
| 22:38.04 | greenfly | PerfDave: it has a component that can detect link via mii |
| 22:38.09 | greenfly | PerfDave: and it'll ifup the interface |
| 22:38.10 | tag | I use unstable |
| 22:38.19 | greenfly | but generally its focus is on what to do after you have an IP |
| 22:38.20 | PerfDave | greenfly: And it handles plugging and unplugging PCMCIA cards. |
| 22:38.45 | greenfly | are you sure? when did they add that? |
| 22:39.05 | PerfDave | greenfly: No idea, but it works for me. |
| 22:39.22 | PerfDave | greenfly: I plug in my pcmcia card, it does ifup eth1 ;) |
| 22:39.25 | saman | tag: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ seems to be a good start, as I said - I haven't actually set one myself, I just use a virtual server under UML (I'me a customer at linode.com) |
| 22:39.29 | yarko | greenfly: so what would be appropriate mods for interfaces to make it jump through different definitions - I thought that guess-ifupdown would do it but it doesnt... or I misconfiured it |
| 22:40.13 | tag | oh I see |
| 22:40.16 | tag | I'm missing "tun" |
| 22:40.19 | jayeola | a stable kernel version is 2.6.12?? |
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| 22:40.54 | streuner_ | .08, .10,.10 are stable |
| 22:40.56 | PerfDave | jayeola: Define "stable". There are no 2.6.12 kernels in Debian Stable. |
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| 22:41.03 | jayeola | oh |
| 22:41.06 | streuner_ | by definination |
| 22:41.24 | streuner_ | from Linux Kernel folks |
| 22:41.38 | PerfDave | !kernel of instability |
| 22:41.39 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 22:41.47 | jayeola | yeah - but i thought that the numbering system has changed |
| 22:41.54 | jayeola | <-- debian noob |
| 22:42.18 | jayeola | heh - already beat me to it mate |
| 22:42.32 | PerfDave | jayeola: Kernel versions are decided by the kernel maintainers, not by the Debian project. |
| 22:43.02 | jayeola | k |
| 22:43.30 | jayeola | i have a few o'reilly books that i have aquired - ima gonna bone up on deb |
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| 22:43.50 | jayeola | g-g-g-g-g-g-G-UNIX! |
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| 22:44.27 | SerpentWolf | Gnu's not Unix. |
| 22:44.30 | flawd | trying to configure unrealircd with ssl. I give /usr/lib/ssl as path to ssl, yet I get [warning] unrealircd.conf:127: listen with SSL flag enabled on a non SSL compile when I run unreal |
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| 22:48.10 | PerfDave | flawd: Did you compile it yourself, or use the Debian packages? |
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| 22:49.39 | flawd | unrealircd is compiled. ssl with debs |
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| 22:49.54 | flawd | PerfDave, unrealircd is compiled. ssl with debs |
| 22:50.41 | PerfDave | flawd: It looks like you didn't compile it properly - you'll probably need to do a ./configure --with-ssl as well as pass the correct path to the ssl libs. |
| 22:50.51 | PerfDave | flawd: Also, make sure you compile into /usr/local - /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 22:51.08 | flawd | ty |
| 22:51.13 | PerfDave | flawd: No worries |
| 22:51.28 | PerfDave | flawd: And if you get it running, consider making it a Debian package ;) |
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| 22:52.47 | mfrisch | does anyone know how to setup crypttab? |
| 22:53.00 | nyetzsche | is there a way to be able to select a font, such as "Arial", in both, aliased and anti-aliased flavours? I had this accidentally way back, but don't know how to set that up now... |
| 22:53.06 | harleyg | can all sources be made with make? |
| 22:53.12 | FieldySnuts | vague? |
| 22:53.29 | dunstabulos | hi, im trying to set up a printer shared off a windows 2000 server, using the CUPS web interface, but it is failing on authentication, and doesnt apper to save the password when i enter the printer address as smb://username:password@servername/printequeue |
| 22:53.30 | mfrisch | harleyg no |
| 22:53.32 | nyetzsche | I mean have "Arial" *available* on both flavours... |
| 22:54.00 | PerfDave | harleyg: That's a very vague question. Many applications will come with files to enable them to be compiled with a make-like utility. Some need GNU make, some need BSD make, others Solaris make, other autoconf and automake... ;) |
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| 22:54.11 | PerfDave | harleyg: This is one reason to just use .deb packages and be done with it ;) |
| 22:54.52 | harleyg | lol |
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| 22:55.05 | PerfDave | Actually, I believe that recent Solaris installs come with GNU make, but I haven't used Solaris for *years* fortunately. |
| 22:55.05 | harleyg | how do ya unpack .deb files then? |
| 22:55.11 | FieldySnuts | geez |
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| 22:55.22 | FieldySnuts | whip me beat me, make me use AIX |
| 22:55.26 | fhffhqvb | ... |
| 22:55.30 | PerfDave | harleyg: Why would you want to unpack them? You just install them with dpkg, or automate the whole process and dependency resolution with apt-get. |
| 22:55.46 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: I'm happy to do the first two, but the last is a hard limit, sorry. |
| 22:55.53 | FieldySnuts | er heh |
| 22:56.12 | harleyg | ok |
| 22:56.28 | harleyg | well whats a command i can use to install a .deb package with dpkg |
| 22:56.30 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: You need to be a d-o regular, damn your eyes. |
| 22:56.34 | PerfDave | harleyg: man dpkg |
| 22:56.38 | harleyg | ok |
| 22:56.50 | ouch | how can i tell what version orinoco_cs driver i have? |
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| 22:57.21 | saman | harleyg: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 22:57.41 | FieldySnuts | what evah |
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| 22:57.45 | wilotas | Someone knows how can i configure lm-sensors? |
| 22:57.51 | harleyg | that installs it? |
| 22:57.52 | wilotas | i cant get it |
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| 22:58.04 | saman | ouch: is that a kernel module? |
| 22:58.18 | fhffhqvb | wilotas: why don't you read the file that says QUICKSTART |
| 22:58.25 | PerfDave | wilotas: Install it, run sensors-detect as root. |
| 22:58.27 | ouch | yes |
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| 22:59.07 | ouch | saman: it was installed with sarge...but it doesn't have monitor mode available |
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| 22:59.13 | dunstabulos | harley, dpkg -i package.deb will install it |
| 22:59.16 | ma3x | how do i list all installed packages? |
| 22:59.28 | PerfDave | ouch: Look in /var/log/dmesg and see if it tells you what version it is? |
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| 22:59.29 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 22:59.30 | ABRAXAS77 | hello, im looking for dedicated server with internet speed not less then 10mbps |
| 22:59.30 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
| 22:59.41 | saman | ouch: I *believe* the module version is same as that of the kernel version, to get the kernel version do uname -r |
| 22:59.42 | ouch | k |
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| 22:59.44 | fhffhqvb | ABRAXAS77: wrong channel |
| 22:59.49 | PerfDave | ouch: That's probably dependent on your card chipset, not the driver. |
| 22:59.53 | dondelelcaro | ABRAXAS77: find a ISP; they're everywhere. |
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| 22:59.57 | ouch | ok |
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| 23:00.04 | PerfDave | ouch: Or at least, the interaction between your card chipset and driver. |
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| 23:00.25 | mfrisch | does anyone know how to setup crypttab? |
| 23:00.32 | FieldySnuts | google might |
| 23:00.37 | fhffhqvb | ... |
| 23:00.49 | FieldySnuts | !insult fhffhqvb |
| 23:00.50 | dpkg | fhffhqvb is nothing but a fen-sucked quart of warped pond scum |
| 23:00.54 | FieldySnuts | kidding :)( |
| 23:01.18 | ABRAXAS77 | dondelelcaro isp dont make spam :-) |
| 23:01.26 | FieldySnuts | wth? |
| 23:01.30 | wilotas | PerfDave, i have installed it but when i run sensors-detect gives me a modules that i cant select it into my i2c support in kernel |
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| 23:01.38 | theb0y | help! i've created a ramdisk (file) with dd and mke2fs and the file is named initrd. when i want to copy about 11 MB to the ramdisk (which is 16M) it says after 10MB: cp: cannot create regular file `./anotherfile.tbz2': No space left on device -> however df -h shows me that the ramdisk still has 5 MB free; how is that possible? kernel bug? |
| 23:01.48 | PerfDave | wilotas: Sorry, can you try rephrasing that in a way that I can understand? |
| 23:01.54 | FieldySnuts | joining a channel and pasting immediately is fun |
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| 23:02.30 | fhffhqvb | !doe theb0y |
| 23:02.40 | FieldySnuts | what does that mean, and what language is it |
| 23:02.49 | mfrisch | germa |
| 23:02.51 | CaT[tm] | theb: what does df -i say? |
| 23:03.01 | fhffhqvb | !lose mfrisch |
| 23:03.02 | dpkg | mfrisch: You Lose. |
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| 23:03.19 | mfrisch | fhffhqvb dutch? |
| 23:03.22 | ouch | okay, i know that the card supports monitor because i use it in a different kernel...i guess i'll just update to the newest driver....thanks to all |
| 23:03.42 | CaT[tm] | woo. heh. the gay spambot is still with us. |
| 23:04.03 | FieldySnuts | which one is that...? |
| 23:04.08 | robin_sz | is someone going to to kick that? |
| 23:04.23 | FieldySnuts | so nevermind |
| 23:04.29 | robin_sz | nirvana |
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| 23:05.08 | FieldySnuts | happy i hope |
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| 23:05.25 | robin_sz | getting better :) |
| 23:05.35 | FieldySnuts | flesh wound? |
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| 23:05.55 | exobyte | ppp dialup compression should not help speeds when downloading an mp3, right? |
| 23:06.08 | FieldySnuts | nope, because an mp3 is already highly compressed and patent encumbered |
| 23:06.11 | robin_sz | it might help a teeny bit |
| 23:06.12 | fhffhqvb | :-| |
| 23:06.12 | FieldySnuts | strike that last part |
| 23:06.33 | robin_sz | but only by the slightest amount |
| 23:06.53 | asuffield | ppp compression is either lzo or DEFLATE, neither of those works on mpeg audio |
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| 23:07.06 | WiFiTux | is it easy to mount a new drive as a current mount point? And what point could I use? |
| 23:07.09 | asuffield | lzo is best at images, and DEFLATE is strictly for text |
| 23:07.31 | Warp4 | ugh cant get fetchnews to download anything :( |
| 23:07.35 | *** part/#debian FieldySnuts (rSEIvSni5W@fieldysnuts.user) |
| 23:07.37 | Warp4 | at least not article wise. |
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| 23:07.54 | robin_sz | asuffield: because the compression is on the link, not just the data, its possible to see some minor improvements .. but its going to be in the 2% sort of region |
| 23:07.54 | theb0y | help! i've created a ramdisk (file) with dd and mke2fs and the file is named initrd. when i want to copy about 11 MB to the ramdisk (which is 16M) it says after 10MB: cp: cannot create regular file `./anotherfile.tbz2': No space left on device -> however df -h shows me that the ramdisk still has 5 MB free; how is that possible? kernel bug? |
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| 23:08.16 | FieldySnuts | heh nice part |
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| 23:08.30 | asuffield | robin_sz: it'd be fucking amazing if it managed as high as .2% |
| 23:08.37 | FieldySnuts | aardvark: anything? i didn't get shit |
| 23:08.44 | saman | WiFiTux: what exactly do you mean? |
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| 23:09.36 | exobyte | FieldySnuts: wait.. how does the patent change anything? |
| 23:09.58 | robin_sz | asuffield: well, it will stillmake some minor compression of the data, but its going to be non-significant 2% is a fair gfuess |
| 23:10.01 | FieldySnuts | Patent/IP |
| 23:10.10 | robin_sz | open source beer! |
| 23:10.16 | exobyte | FieldySnuts: in compression land |
| 23:10.17 | WiFiTux | yeah |
| 23:10.20 | FieldySnuts | dunno |
| 23:10.31 | robin_sz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4718719.stm |
| 23:10.39 | asuffield | robin_sz: lzo tends to do nothing to mpeg. DEFLATE tends to make it slightly larger |
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| 23:10.39 | WiFiTux | I think there are join spammers |
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| 23:10.50 | exobyte | asuffield: lol |
| 23:11.05 | robin_sz | asuffield: bored now, discovered open source beer, everyting else is pointless |
| 23:11.09 | mfrisch | does anyoe know what codec lingo uses? |
| 23:11.09 | exobyte | asuffield: that's the sign that mpeg isn't wasteful |
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| 23:11.26 | FieldySnuts | mpeg compression is generally very good |
| 23:11.26 | asuffield | exobyte: nah, more that using compression algorithms from the 1970s on top of ones from the 1990s is pointless |
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| 23:11.39 | robin_sz | does debian ship with any open source beer? |
| 23:11.40 | stew | !ops 202.152.26.26 is onjoin spammer |
| 23:11.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: 202.152.26.26 is onjoin spammer |
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| 23:11.45 | stew | changing nicks rapidly |
| 23:12.09 | UdontKnow | stew: dealt |
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| 23:12.45 | stew | UdontKnow: thanks |
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| 23:13.34 | cadu | this means "bash this IP" ? |
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| 23:13.44 | UdontKnow | cadu: no |
| 23:13.49 | cadu | UdontKnow: means? |
| 23:13.57 | UdontKnow | cadu: we are against all kinds of bashing |
| 23:14.00 | WiFiTux | so, any idea on how can I mount a left over partition as "more space" for / ? |
| 23:14.05 | UdontKnow | cadu: I applied a server ban on that ip |
| 23:14.06 | cadu | UdontKnow: nice ! but !ops is for what ? |
| 23:14.12 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: LVM |
| 23:14.18 | cadu | UdontKnow: cool! you're a freenode supporter ? |
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| 23:14.22 | UdontKnow | cadu: yes |
| 23:14.29 | cadu | UdontKnow: go team supporter go! |
| 23:14.30 | cadu | :) |
| 23:14.33 | Gathond | WiFiTux: you cant, without using some form of LVM in advance .. not sure you can convert you current partition to LVM |
| 23:14.36 | UdontKnow | (1122592410 20:13) [freenode] ircname : UdontKnow!udontknow@udontknow.staff.freenode (Evaldo Gardenali) |
| 23:15.04 | WiFiTux | perf? |
| 23:15.22 | WiFiTux | oh |
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| 23:15.48 | WiFiTux | Gathond: then to mount the extra part as some high used current /folder |
| 23:15.55 | Gathond | WiFiTux: more realisticly depending on your current layout you might be able to move a directory from / to another partition and mount that |
| 23:16.35 | Gathond | WiFiTux: that is an option, if you have highly used directories on you / partion that is not /sbin /etc /lib or other stuff that the boot process needs |
| 23:16.43 | mls | maybe move /var or /home to a new partition? |
| 23:16.47 | WiFiTux | Gathond: ok, I got 24GB in that part and 6GB in whole / part |
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| 23:17.35 | Gathond | WiFiTux: mooving /var, /home or /usr is good optione, if those resides on the / partition now |
| 23:17.45 | enveezee | damn that girl |
| 23:17.48 | resiak | Argh! Where did php4's mysql stuff go?! |
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| 23:17.58 | WiFiTux | Gathond: is there a how-to, or just move and change fstab? |
| 23:18.02 | enveezee | she was on here last night and got me all confused |
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| 23:18.25 | resiak | Oh, wait, it's already installed which is why zsh wasn't tab completing it. \o/ |
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| 23:18.39 | Gathond | WiFiTux: might be, but I usually just use tar (out of habit) cp -a or some such should do as well |
| 23:19.32 | nvz | hmm.. I think that about covers it |
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| 23:20.23 | WiFiTux | Gathond: so create each part, copy the stuff there and then mount the paritions in fstab? |
| 23:20.36 | pacroon | Hi - is there a command-line way for changing your screen resolution in X? |
| 23:20.42 | WiFiTux | and rename the currents |
| 23:21.01 | WiFiTux | pacroon: you can use sed |
| 23:21.25 | Gathond | WiFiTux: basically, mount new drive somewhere, copy/move stuff in a way that contains all username/group/permission information, single user mode, delete old data from current /, edit fstab, reboot |
| 23:21.34 | WiFiTux | pacroon: or simply edit xorg.conf or consfigure xserver |
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| 23:21.40 | Gathond | single user mode might be the first one |
| 23:21.48 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!~suss@*] by mentor |
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| 23:21.55 | pacroon | WiFiTux: I wanna do it on-the-fly like the ctrl+alt+numpad thing, is that possible? |
| 23:22.00 | Gathond | so as to prevent writing to the date you are copying |
| 23:22.04 | WiFiTux | Gathond: cool, is gthere a cp gthat will copy the whole deal? cp -a? |
| 23:22.22 | mentor | drive by banning... |
| 23:22.31 | Gathond | WiFiTux: I think I have seen people suggest cp -a, usually I use tar |
| 23:22.34 | WiFiTux | heh |
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| 23:22.47 | rbochan | pacroon: why not just use the ctrl+alt+numpad thing? |
| 23:22.49 | nvz | mentor: what was that for 8P |
| 23:22.53 | Gathond | but that is mostly because I used that the first time and I dont bother fixing something that works for me :) |
| 23:22.54 | WiFiTux | Gathond: sure, tar the deal and untar. |
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| 23:23.11 | pacroon | rbochan: Well, my question is about the possibility of a console command :) |
| 23:23.13 | Gathond | (cd /; tar -cl .) | (cd /mnt/nyroot; tar -xvp) |
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| 23:23.24 | dunstabulos | WiFiTux, i like the idea of piping to the same program |
| 23:23.32 | rbochan | pacroon: short of reconfiguring X, I can't say |
| 23:23.39 | mentor | nvz: So I feel effective. |
| 23:23.39 | Gathond | that will do the trick with the first . as the start dir and /mnt/nyroot as the destination |
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| 23:23.55 | dunstabulos | WiFiTux, its extra overhead vs cp -a though surely? |
| 23:23.58 | Gathond | the "v" part can be skipped |
| 23:24.04 | pacroon | rbochan: What about an imitation of the ctrl+alt keypresses? |
| 23:24.15 | Gathond | dunstabulos: surely less efficient yes :) |
| 23:24.17 | rbochan | in console mode, I've no idea |
| 23:24.32 | nvz | mentor: heh, banning sussudio makes you feel "effective"? |
| 23:24.39 | dunstabulos | Gathond, it has a strange appeal to it tho |
| 23:25.05 | Warp4 | anyone run a news server on their boxes? |
| 23:25.06 | Gathond | dunstabulos: dont know if cp can du the -l bit tar can though |
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| 23:25.19 | Gathond | dunstabulos: can you tell cp not to cross partition boundaries? |
| 23:25.33 | Wyzard | Gathond: -x |
| 23:25.36 | mentor | nvz: There was some onjoin spam earlier :) |
| 23:25.37 | cogumelo | mreh? |
| 23:25.47 | mentor | Udontknow got it I think. |
| 23:25.48 | Gathond | Wyzard: ok |
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| 23:25.52 | dunstabulos | *man cp |
| 23:25.54 | Sisma | Wow |
| 23:25.56 | Sisma | Autojoin |
| 23:25.58 | Sisma | lol |
| 23:26.01 | nvz | mentor: yeah I backlogged a bit/ but it was comming from sussudio's network? |
| 23:26.21 | Sisma | Re to all |
| 23:26.31 | dunstabulos | Gathond, -x or --one-file-system |
| 23:26.43 | Gathond | dunstabulos: yean, Wyzard said as much :) |
| 23:26.55 | mentor | damn, I need to get some better scripts going |
| 23:26.56 | Gathond | but anyway as I said, the tar|tar thing is mostly habit:) |
| 23:27.12 | Wyzard | Gathond: tar|tar is useful when there's a netcat in the middle |
| 23:27.13 | FieldySnuts | !fuck spammers |
| 23:27.14 | dunstabulos | ty Wyzard, was too busy reading the man page ... i never realised cp had so many options |
| 23:27.33 | UdontKnow | heh |
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| 23:27.44 | ABRAXAS77 | spam rocks |
| 23:28.26 | cogumelo | mentor: what are you on? don't abuse your ops... i'm not spamming and you know it |
| 23:28.28 | UdontKnow | ABRAXAS77: spam & eggs? |
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| 23:28.40 | mentor | ah. |
| 23:28.50 | ABRAXAS77 | UdontKnow spammer |
| 23:28.53 | ABRAXAS77 | s |
| 23:28.56 | ABRAXAS77 | give me money |
| 23:29.00 | ABRAXAS77 | what can i do? |
| 23:29.05 | ABRAXAS77 | i havent job and i need money |
| 23:29.17 | Wyzard | ABRAXAS77: Get a job? |
| 23:29.24 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 23:29.28 | ABRAXAS77 | Wyzard is not easy |
| 23:29.31 | ABRAXAS77 | im searching |
| 23:29.40 | *** mode/#debian [+e *!*@sussuido.user] by mentor |
| 23:29.42 | Wyzard | ABRAXAS77: or sell some possessions, or take out a loan |
| 23:29.46 | cogumelo | UdontKnow: ? |
| 23:29.53 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 23:29.54 | Wyzard | mentor: s/sussuido/sussudio/ |
| 23:29.55 | nvz | cogumelo: thats what I was saying ;) |
| 23:29.57 | cogumelo | sussuido? |
| 23:30.02 | mentor | feh |
| 23:30.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 23:30.10 | shingouz | +e? |
| 23:30.12 | mentor | Yeah, well this worked well. |
| 23:30.16 | Sisma | I part |
| 23:30.20 | Sisma | Good bye |
| 23:30.23 | Wyzard | ABRAXAS77: You sound like you're saying that spamming is an acceptable way to earn money |
| 23:30.23 | ABRAXAS77 | Wyzard give me a job and ill stop spam :- |
| 23:30.24 | ABRAXAS77 | ) |
| 23:30.24 | *** mode/#debian [+e *!*@sussudio.user] by mentor |
| 23:30.31 | *** mode/#debian [-e *!*@sussuido.user] by mentor |
| 23:30.31 | cougar` | Hey all |
| 23:30.41 | mentor | I shouldn't bother really. |
| 23:30.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 23:30.51 | nvz | mentor: you |
| 23:30.51 | ABRAXAS77 | Wyzard if the capitalist society dont give me chanche to get money,why ill respect them? |
| 23:31.02 | nvz | mentor: you're op-fu isnt what it used to be it seems |
| 23:31.08 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:31.08 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@80.178.150.227.adsl.012.net.il] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:31.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:31.19 | cogumelo | nvz: do you sit in #invites on another network to get an invite or give them out? |
| 23:31.20 | dondelelcaro | ABRAXAS77: that's way OT for #debian; please take it elsewhere. |
| 23:31.38 | mentor | no. |
| 23:31.38 | nvz | cogumelo: wtf are you talking about? |
| 23:31.41 | mentor | Obviously not. |
| 23:31.47 | cogumelo | nvz: OiNK |
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| 23:32.06 | nvz | cogumelo: you never cease to confuse me |
| 23:32.07 | Wyzard | ABRAXAS77: Nobody "owes" you a job or anything else, and if I had a job to offer, I wouldn't give it to a spammer |
| 23:32.09 | Wyzard | ABRAXAS77: Go away |
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| 23:32.32 | Viperb0y | Hi, is there a pine package for Debian avaiable`? |
| 23:32.40 | nvz | cogumelo: I dont know why I didnt just keep my mouth shut and let mentor quiet you up awhile with his clumsy fingers |
| 23:32.44 | nvz | heh |
| 23:32.44 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: he's already been devoiced, you can drop it now... |
| 23:32.48 | Gathond | Viperb0y: perhaps in non-free |
| 23:32.57 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I noticed... just finishing what I was typing already |
| 23:32.59 | dondelelcaro | Viperb0y: it's source only and is in non-free; /msg dpkg pine |
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| 23:33.07 | Viperb0y | Gathond: pine isn't free? |
| 23:33.08 | Viperb0y | k |
| 23:33.19 | FieldySnuts | nope |
| 23:33.27 | dondelelcaro | Viperb0y: yerp; you're probably better off using mutt too... |
| 23:33.43 | cogumelo | nvz: nvz is a@cpe-66-24-239-163.stny.res.rr.com * nobody < that's not you? |
| 23:33.45 | Gathond | Viperb0y: no, pine is a very far way from free (as in speech) |
| 23:33.50 | dunstabulos | Viperb0y, not DFSG free, but somewhat free |
| 23:33.52 | Viperb0y | Hm.. okay *g* |
| 23:33.55 | cougar` | Hey Wyzard : Real quick : What is done to the systemu.ulog when it is rotated? Is it dumped? It is reading 43 MBs and I can't imagine it's 43 MBs in 1 day. |
| 23:34.07 | nvz | cogumelo: nope sure isnt. doesnt seem to be on my ISP or even in my state |
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| 23:34.22 | dunstabulos | Viperb0y, possibly try elm |
| 23:34.25 | eowo | can anyone advise me on how to set up webdav? |
| 23:34.26 | Viperb0y | I asked because there is a gentoo ebuild that I use local :D But my Servers are gentoo free :D |
| 23:34.45 | dunstabulos | !gentoosmite Viperb0y |
| 23:34.46 | Wyzard | cougar`: It gets renamed to have a number at the end of its filename (.1, .2, .3, .4, then deleted) |
| 23:34.49 | Viperb0y | dunstabulos: k :) I'll try it :D |
| 23:34.56 | Viperb0y | dunstabulos: Hehe :D |
| 23:35.15 | cougar` | Wyzard : Mine is not doin' that. Can you help me troubleshoot it plz? |
| 23:35.17 | dunstabulos | Viperb0y, one day look at the dpkg database dump ... its an education |
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| 23:35.42 | Wyzard | cougar`: I've never done any configuration of ulogd or logrotate; that's the default behavior |
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| 23:36.01 | cougar` | Wyzard : Mine is not doin' that :( |
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| 23:36.21 | FieldySnuts | cogumelo: unlikely. |
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| 23:36.30 | cougar` | Wyzard : paste me contents of your /etc/logrotate.d/ulog again plz |
| 23:36.30 | jarping | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.41 | cogumelo | must be something in the water. |
| 23:36.56 | nvz | I cant believe I've only had nvz registered a little less than 2 years. (99weeks) seems like I've been hanging out on freenode for 5 years.. must have taken me a long time to get registered |
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| 23:37.27 | Wyzard | cougar`: see #flood |
| 23:37.31 | nvz | I still never asked for a user cloak either. which is I think why I registered in the first place |
| 23:37.52 | cogumelo | anyway, don't need this c-nick anymore. |
| 23:38.05 | cougar` | Wyzard : Look in #flood |
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| 23:38.45 | Viperb0y | I'll use mutt.. looks okay :) |
| 23:38.49 | Viperb0y | Thanks for you help :) |
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| 23:39.06 | crafteh | What should I do if ./configure thinks cpp is in /lib/cpp when its /usr/bin/cpp ?? |
| 23:39.17 | sussudio | crafteh: cry? |
| 23:39.20 | FieldySnuts | ./configure --help and tell it where it is |
| 23:39.30 | Viperb0y | nano -w configure and edit it ;)? |
| 23:39.36 | dondelelcaro | crafteh: run away screaming from whoever wrote that software |
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| 23:39.46 | Wyzard | crafteh: /lib/cpp does exist in Debian, and is a symlink to the real one |
| 23:39.51 | dvs | crafteh: Go into a complete rage |
| 23:39.53 | daesotho | why is gstreamer-properties, used to configure gstreamer, in gnome-media instead of gstreamer-tools? |
| 23:40.04 | crafteh | hm.. you're right Wyzard |
| 23:40.18 | crafteh | it says my cpp is failing a sanity check |
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| 23:41.13 | c01100011 | glad i missed that one, sounds like nvzLovesAnalsex was fun to have around |
| 23:41.13 | dondelelcaro | crafteh: do you actually have build-essential installed? |
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| 23:41.27 | crafteh | the build essentials? |
| 23:41.30 | nvz | heh |
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| 23:41.35 | crafteh | i think i do |
| 23:41.37 | nvz | wtf are you talking about |
| 23:41.38 | crafteh | i've built a bunch of things |
| 23:41.43 | crafteh | who me or him? |
| 23:41.55 | crafteh | is build-essential an actual thing? |
| 23:42.08 | Flimzy | I have 3 PCs on my LAN, all with 10/100 NICs. A can scp to B at ~2mbytes/sec, and B can scp to C at ~2mbytes/sec, but A gets < 1mbyte/sec to B. WTF is up with that? |
| 23:42.16 | dunstabulos | crafteh, its a package |
| 23:42.29 | dondelelcaro | crafteh: yes, it's an actual package. Regardless, if you're sure you've got everything, read through the configure and config.log to see why it's failing. |
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| 23:42.49 | ryan` | Flimzy: slow computer? |
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| 23:43.37 | crafteh | the last few lines of config.log are #ifdef __cplusplus \ void exit (int); \ configure: exit 1 |
| 23:43.39 | Flimzy | ryan`: If any one of the computers was slow, then I wouldn't get 2mbyte/sec at any time. |
| 23:43.52 | eowo | how would i allow ftp to /var/www/ so i could upload pages from dreamweaver, i looked online for tutorials on how to set up webdav but couldnt find any :( |
| 23:44.06 | Flimzy | ryan`: A<->B is fast, B<->C is fast. A<->C is slow. |
| 23:44.06 | FieldySnuts | ew... no. use ftp damnit geez |
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| 23:44.33 | TiCpu | is there any way to rescan IDE bus ? |
| 23:44.33 | Flimzy | ryan`: (Yesterday A<->C was very fast) |
| 23:44.33 | nvz | eowo: newsflash /var/www isnt used anymore. at least by FHS compliant OSs like Debian |
| 23:44.49 | TiCpu | without rebooting of course |
| 23:45.07 | eowo | nvz: thats where the readme told me was the defaultr folder was |
| 23:45.12 | c01100011 | nvz- my appache still uses /var/www and it will always be that way |
| 23:45.18 | Flimzy | TiCpu: probably rmmod/modprobe would do it... if IDE is modular. |
| 23:45.21 | FieldySnuts | um... righto |
| 23:45.29 | Flimzy | TiCpu: beyond that, I have no idea |
| 23:45.44 | TiCpu | mm not module |
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| 23:46.34 | nvz | c01100011: yeah well you are a moron. we knew that when you came in and started talking about me for some reason. |
| 23:47.02 | dunstabulos | nvz, my fresh debian stabel installed at the weekend has a /var/www |
| 23:47.08 | eowo | what is FSH? |
| 23:47.13 | eowo | what is FHs*? |
| 23:47.18 | nvz | eowo: dunstabulos, yeah well according to the FHS data for network services is to be stored in /srv, /var is for something else entirely |
| 23:47.19 | FieldySnuts | fhs is a waste of time and annoyance to admins |
| 23:47.35 | dondelelcaro | filesystem hierarchical standard; Debian generally follows it save when the FHS is on crack |
| 23:47.50 | eowo | i made a test index.html and cp'd it to /var/www |
| 23:47.50 | FieldySnuts | some of where they want things to go is nuts |
| 23:47.54 | nvz | I think its a good idea. and fairly well outlined |
| 23:47.58 | eowo | and it works |
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| 23:48.26 | FieldySnuts | ircing from mail hosts, neat |
| 23:48.39 | nvz | the structure of the filesystem is one of the very key things that separates the good from the bad and the ugly |
| 23:48.49 | eowo | look i dont want an argument all i want to know is how i can automaticly upload my webpage and all images without having to use a command line |
| 23:48.52 | aurax | eheh |
| 23:48.59 | dondelelcaro | dunstabulos: it's not like it matters anyway; any moderately complicated server doesn't use the default apache configuration anyway. |
| 23:49.01 | FieldySnuts | don't be lazy. use ftp. |
| 23:49.23 | dondelelcaro | eowo: use ftp or rsync or scp to any directory, and change the apache configuration to read from that directory. |
| 23:49.30 | PerfDave | eowo: Install SSH, use an SFTP client. Change permissions on /var/www so it (and subdirectories) are readable by www-data and writable by the user responsiblef or them. |
| 23:49.30 | dondelelcaro | eowo: it's fairly straightforward. |
| 23:49.36 | nvz | we could be like windows users and have our 3rd part apps install wherever they please, combining binaries with shared static, and even dynamic user files all in the same place with equal permissions |
| 23:49.47 | dunstabulos | eowo, use an ftp client program with a nice gui, or write a script in ncftp, or use rsync, or use scp, or sftp ... |
| 23:49.58 | xoz | structure is no longer necessary if you have a good smart filter mechanism like the way apple or google does it |
| 23:49.58 | eowo | thank you all |
| 23:50.02 | ioerror | Does anyone here know which debian package in testing would supply xsp? it almost seems like it's been replaced with apache |
| 23:50.02 | dondelelcaro | nvz: that's great; we didn't do that even before the FHS. |
| 23:50.08 | FieldySnuts | shit. we have thousands of windows clients submit crap via a batch script which calls ncftpput |
| 23:50.12 | dvs | !find xsp |
| 23:50.14 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xsp' (2): mono-xsp ;; xspecs. |
| 23:50.22 | FieldySnuts | note: not my place to decide for or against ftp (their screwup) |
| 23:50.24 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/xsp |
| 23:50.26 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:50.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xsp' (3): (/usr/bin/xspim) in non-free/electronics/spim ;; (/usr/bin/xspect) in contrib/otherosfs/spectemu-x11 ;; (/usr/bin/xsp, /usr/share/dotnet/bin/xsp.exe) in web/mono-xsp. |
| 23:50.41 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah well I understand that. I've been using linux longer than FHS was around too ;) I just think having an official outline to follow makes it easier to keep things sensible. |
| 23:50.42 | dvs | xsp.exe? |
| 23:50.44 | dunstabulos | dondelelcaro, i try to keep mine as close to default as possible, on the KISS principle, plus its all behind the firewall at the moment so i'm not too worried |
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| 23:50.48 | ioerror | dvs, that's the one |
| 23:50.49 | FieldySnuts | all they do is "drag and drop" an individual file on the batch script, connects, sends, waits for a keypress on fail or succeed done |
| 23:50.56 | dondelelcaro | dunstabulos: *shrug* |
| 23:51.01 | dunstabulos | :) |
| 23:51.19 | nvz | dondelelcaro: obviously people's opinions differ on whats sensible.. and when I read FHS 2.3 it seemed like it left plenty of room for users and admins to make changes without failing to comply |
| 23:51.20 | dondelelcaro | nvz: sure; again, when FHS makes sense, Debian follows it. However, in the cases where it's on crack, we ignore it. |
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| 23:51.40 | mejo | hello |
| 23:51.43 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Describe a case where they're "on crack"? |
| 23:51.44 | dondelelcaro | (it's much like the LSB... there are some things in the LSB that have no rationale whatsoever) |
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| 23:52.20 | mejo | i try to build a driver for x. it requires the header file xf86str.h. unfortunately it looks like no package in debian provides this file. |
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| 23:52.37 | mejo | the upstream author of the x driver told me that the header file is part of the x development kit. |
| 23:52.40 | Wyzard | mejo: It'll be in some -dev package |
| 23:52.40 | mejo | shouldn' |
| 23:52.46 | PerfDave | mejo: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:52.50 | mejo | t it be in some x*-dev package then? |
| 23:53.01 | dvs | mejo: yes |
| 23:53.04 | ioerror | What's the best way to install a package from unstable without ever pulling down anything except that package set? (ie: mono-xsp and mono-utils but not anythign else) |
| 23:53.07 | Wyzard | mejo: yes... where the "x*" part is generally the same as the name of the library package it corresponds to |
| 23:53.20 | shingouz | ioerror: dpkg |
| 23:53.24 | sater | can someone boot hugeKikePenii please, I just got the most disturbing msg |
| 23:53.29 | dvs | ioerror: backports.org? |
| 23:53.41 | p8m | ioerror: pinning works sometimes |
| 23:53.44 | dvs | sater: I hate that "java" |
| 23:53.50 | dunstabulos | !simple sid backport |
| 23:53.50 | dpkg | from memory, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 23:53.57 | PerfDave | ioerror: Onto a stable system? You want to backport from source. |
| 23:53.57 | mejo | /msg dpkg search xf86str.h <- gave no result. |
| 23:54.04 | Wyzard | sater: Say "!ops hugeKikePenii offensive on-join spam" |
| 23:54.10 | PerfDave | !tell mejo -about search |
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| 23:54.30 | sater | !ops hugeKikePenii offensive on-join spam |
| 23:54.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: hugeKikePenii offensive on-join spam |
| 23:54.41 | dvs | sater: Uh... too late |
| 23:54.51 | UdontKnow | klined |
| 23:54.53 | FieldySnuts | "Penii" ..? |
| 23:55.03 | nvz | morons, go figure |
| 23:55.05 | FieldySnuts | multiple dongs? |
| 23:55.07 | Will_ | FieldySnuts: Many penises |
| 23:55.10 | sater | dvs: klined eh? nice |
| 23:55.11 | FieldySnuts | weirdos |
| 23:55.20 | mejo | Wyzard: apt-file and packages.debian.org both claim that the file doesn't exist in a debian package. |
| 23:55.22 | sater | talk about a weird place to do that kind of stuff |
| 23:55.26 | dunstabulos | ioerror, short answer is to only add deb-src lines for sid, then no packages other than source ones will be pulled, which you can then compile ... but sometimes you have to grab dependencies manually |
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| 23:55.36 | dondelelcaro | dvs: the primary case being /srv at the moment; it's a solution looking for a problem... the structure of it hasn't been fleshed out at all. |
| 23:55.38 | Wyzard | mejo: dunno then |
| 23:55.39 | FieldySnuts | not getting it |
| 23:55.57 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Yuck! that's stupid. Yeah, that's on crack. |
| 23:55.59 | ioerror | dunstabulos, :-( |
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| 23:56.19 | FieldySnuts | what annoys me is if I put my content in /wherever and I have made that it's own partition, then you go and change that, grr |
| 23:56.29 | FieldySnuts | easy enough to change the mount point... but on a bunch of servers, grr |
| 23:56.31 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I just use my imagination.. so far all I got in there is /srv/samba/ and inside is the homedirs of all Samba (windows) clients that dont have local shell accounts |
| 23:56.36 | dunstabulos | ioerror, no really simple sid backport really is simple (i did one of Ruby on Rails the other day) ... its The Way Forward (tm) |
| 23:57.42 | dunstabulos | ioerror, check the package descriptions on the debian website first, and check that all the dependencies are in stable, otherwise things get inconvienient |
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