| 00:01.11 | Agrajag- | i dont understand why debian deletes php session files if they're older than 1440 seconds, anyone know the reasoning behind this? |
| 00:01.23 | FieldySnuts | if you don't like it configure it not to |
| 00:01.26 | dvs | Agrajag-: A preference maybe? |
| 00:02.02 | Agrajag- | but why would you want to do that? it means that if someone comes back to your site > 24 mins since last visit, they wont be 'remembered' |
| 00:02.15 | FieldySnuts | look, change it if you do not like it.... |
| 00:02.23 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: All the more reason for LVM :) |
| 00:02.32 | FieldySnuts | what is |
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| 00:02.47 | billions | im trying to use defoma to install a font ~/shine.pcf |
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| 00:02.54 | Agrajag- | i konw i can change it, but i thought there must be some sane reason behind it that i can't think of |
| 00:02.57 | billions | what is the catagory? |
| 00:03.04 | Agrajag- | and i was wondering what that reason was |
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| 00:03.38 | thyhorror | What's with the on join spam ? |
| 00:03.56 | shingouz | thyhorror: another spammer here? |
| 00:04.19 | billions | can anyone help me install a font real quick? |
| 00:04.20 | thyhorror | shingouz: MI5-Informant |
| 00:04.27 | dunstabulos | Agrajag-, becuase if you dont you could fill you partition with php sessions? |
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| 00:04.57 | Agrajag- | i realise that.. just why 24 minutes, it's such a low value, who visits a php site every 24 minutes |
| 00:05.04 | UdontKnow | thyhorror: shingouz: thanks, klined |
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| 00:05.09 | FieldySnuts | Agrajag-: CONFIGURE IT THE WAY YOU WANT IT for gods sake |
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| 00:05.21 | shingouz | UdontKnow: clit-faced-whore is a nice asshat too |
| 00:05.24 | Agrajag- | ... i already have.. |
| 00:05.27 | FieldySnuts | nice nicks. |
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| 00:05.31 | shingouz | yup |
| 00:05.32 | Agrajag- | calm your farm |
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| 00:05.38 | FieldySnuts | Agrajag-: great. if you want to file a bug with a suggestion, please feel free |
| 00:05.46 | nvz | I think the /srv is just a way of showing that service data isnt the same as variable data. the fact that its not outlined in detail is only because of the vast number of different services one could run. /var which is historically used for services implies that all service data is variable. Not to mention the FHS outlines top-level dirs of /var should only be created when having system-wide effects, which again services vary on what they do and |
| 00:05.47 | UdontKnow | shingouz: same ip |
| 00:05.48 | FieldySnuts | no such nick |
| 00:05.53 | shingouz | UdontKnow: ok |
| 00:05.53 | nvz | I just adlib it |
| 00:05.59 | nvz | fuck I type too much |
| 00:06.01 | dunstabulos | Agrajag-, 1440 was the packagers favourite number? |
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| 00:06.07 | FieldySnuts | --- [clit-faced-whore] (~deleted-bad-slang@202.83.78.17) : f |
| 00:06.10 | FieldySnuts | cute |
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| 00:06.18 | thyhorror | anyways , my quick question is : what's the command to reconfig X ? |
| 00:06.22 | rbochan | !tell thyhorror about drxx |
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| 00:06.41 | shingouz | where the fsck do those asshats spawn in the first place. the hellhole should be nuked... grr.. |
| 00:06.46 | sparr_ | thyhorror: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 00:06.46 | pacroon | Does anybody know if the "--display" attribute to gnome-display-properties is the screen resolution? I can't seem to find a display value that exists |
| 00:06.55 | gilber_ | Hello, i have a question?, when i add a module with modconf, i need restart the system? |
| 00:07.01 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: probably dalnet |
| 00:07.02 | sparr_ | gilber_: no |
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| 00:07.03 | nvz | gilber_: nope |
| 00:07.05 | dondelelcaro | nvz: as an administrator, you can use it; I'm just explaining why Debian isn't currently using it. |
| 00:07.22 | nvz | gilber_: it loads it with modprobe and also adds it to the /etc/modules to be started at boot from now on |
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| 00:07.30 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: grrr... nuke and pave sounds like a good option :( |
| 00:07.34 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 00:07.40 | FieldySnuts | take out undernet too |
| 00:07.44 | shingouz | heh |
| 00:07.46 | gilber_ | ok nvz thanks |
| 00:08.15 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ok. I guess since its not clearly outlined, it wouldnt be logical for debian to ad-lib it then for the outline to be incompatibly written around it. |
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| 00:09.23 | nono31 | Debian sid has no new update since 1 week now in my box... In yours 2? did not see this in 4 years... are they preparing a *huge update? |
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| 00:09.35 | dvs | nono31: They are moving servers |
| 00:09.35 | FieldySnuts | to / for |
| 00:09.38 | stew | nono31: you run sid? |
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| 00:09.44 | PerfDave | nono31: You should be reading debian-devel-announce if you're running sid. |
| 00:09.47 | stew | nono31: you should subscribe to debian-devel-announce mailing list |
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| 00:09.53 | FieldySnuts | copycats heh |
| 00:09.53 | nono31 | stew: yeap. why? |
| 00:09.55 | nvz | six / ate |
| 00:10.13 | nono31 | stew: hum!! I surely do... |
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| 00:10.38 | UdontKnow | hmmm |
| 00:10.46 | UdontKnow | tor is banned here |
| 00:10.51 | PerfDave | !tor |
| 00:10.51 | dpkg | well, tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 00:10.57 | FieldySnuts | yep. irritating |
| 00:10.57 | nvz | heh |
| 00:10.59 | stew | nono31: this is becuase of the ftp-master move |
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| 00:11.18 | nvz | now thats funny, when even the bots know someone isnt allowed around here |
| 00:11.33 | dondelelcaro | UdontKnow: yes, we've had far too many problems with it; we'll add +e's as appropriate if necessary. |
| 00:11.53 | dondelelcaro | (although, most legitimate tor users already have cloaks, so it's not a big deal) |
| 00:11.53 | FieldySnuts | might a solution be to q *!*@*.tor and +v as needed? |
| 00:12.04 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: no, because we were having issues with them join spamming too |
| 00:12.11 | FieldySnuts | oh great. just what tor needs |
| 00:12.23 | nono31 | btw, someone said to me that If I wanted to access a windows bases VPN server from my box, I'm screwd... But it is working perfectly... In fact never been better... windows (at work) was not getting the connection 3/5 times and the connection was closing every 5 min... now in my dear debian box, never get problem to connect, never close the connection... :-D |
| 00:12.26 | nvz | whats a .tor anyhow? |
| 00:12.33 | UdontKnow | nvz: http://tor.eff.org/ |
| 00:12.54 | dondelelcaro | it's a good idea, but it causes as many problems as it solves. |
| 00:13.21 | nvz | yeah seems so |
| 00:13.23 | UdontKnow | dondelelcaro: doesnt cause many if compared with non-tor problems we have network-wide... at least for now |
| 00:13.25 | FieldySnuts | i'm glad it's very slow (512-byte minimum packet size, plus just damn slow), DoS / DDoS kids can't really use it |
| 00:13.36 | nvz | looks like a rock for the scum of the internet to hide under |
| 00:13.56 | dondelelcaro | UdontKnow: your network problems are only a small part of the problems I've seen with people using tor |
| 00:14.16 | UdontKnow | dondelelcaro: shrug |
| 00:14.16 | nono31 | stew: subscribed! :-D |
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| 00:14.41 | stew | nono31: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html <- that is the email you missed |
| 00:14.44 | dondelelcaro | UdontKnow: yeah, it's not really a big deal; I'm just explaining why I'm not interested in wasting too much time on it |
| 00:14.55 | UdontKnow | dondelelcaro: heh |
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| 00:15.49 | nvz | <bs topic="unrelated"> I can't seem to copy/paste using links2 in screen (inside an x-terminal-emulator) though I can with any other apps in screen. whats up with that I wonder? </bs> |
| 00:16.05 | FieldySnuts | annoyance in links2 it'self |
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| 00:16.17 | dondelelcaro | nvz: links2 uses the wierd term mouse support to use a mouse to do things besides selecting text |
| 00:16.34 | stew | nvz: you can make w3m behave similarly |
| 00:17.03 | stew | nvz: its an option in w3m you can set int he options screep, dunno about links2 though |
| 00:17.08 | ArtistAgent | any recommendations for software to compress this folder to a zip? |
| 00:17.19 | stew | ArtistAgent: zip |
| 00:17.28 | PerfDave | I'd like to use tor with openvpn for connecting home over random wireless points in a secure and anonymous fashion ;) |
| 00:17.32 | ArtistAgent | lol im dum |
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| 00:17.41 | nvz | I never liked w3m though I never really gave it a chance. I like the scroll line-by-line in *links* w3m had by default 6 scroll commands that all scrolled page at a time.. it was fucking annoying.. they could have bound one of them to a different type of scroll |
| 00:17.43 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: too damn slow |
| 00:17.49 | nono31 | stew: thx |
| 00:18.13 | |Fo|Ns | Hi, can someone help me with apache, I have been asking in #apache with no results |
| 00:18.24 | stew | nvz: i just use j/k to move the cursor and J/K to scroll line at a time |
| 00:18.25 | FieldySnuts | typical for #apache |
| 00:18.29 | |Fo|Ns | I just need to set up my wiki as the root server page |
| 00:18.48 | stew | |Fo|Ns: DocumentRoot? |
| 00:18.50 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Meh, depends what I'm using it for ;) |
| 00:18.57 | nvz | stew: bah 8P I've never needed a cursor on my web browser. I am not going to start using one now |
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| 00:19.03 | cddesjar | how do i add fonts to KDE? |
| 00:19.08 | FieldySnuts | @hack PerfDave |
| 00:19.14 | FieldySnuts | um |
| 00:19.20 | cddesjar | so that KDE apps and non-KDE apps (i.e. Mozilla) will use them? |
| 00:19.28 | stew | cddesjar: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 00:19.36 | cddesjar | ok |
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| 00:19.58 | stew | oooh its ice cream sundae time! |
| 00:20.09 | |Fo|Ns | stew, nop, the document root is setup correctly as /var/www |
| 00:20.13 | |Fo|Ns | (I think) |
| 00:20.36 | |Fo|Ns | in /var/www I have twiki and gallery |
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| 00:21.04 | Flimzy | How do I create the /dev/fd0u* devices in Debian? |
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| 00:21.27 | |Fo|Ns | fd0u* ? |
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| 00:21.56 | Flimzy | |Fo|Ns: For accessing "large capacity" floppy disks |
| 00:22.00 | Flimzy | > 1.44mb formats |
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| 00:22.47 | |Fo|Ns | Flimzy, dd? |
| 00:23.03 | Flimzy | |Fo|Ns: dd makes device files now? |
| 00:23.14 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: with MAKEDEV, as always. |
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| 00:24.13 | katabroc | my windows ntfs partition is read only, altough i have inserted ntfs write support on kernel, and i did umask=000 on umount cmd... any ideas what might be? |
| 00:24.25 | katabroc | *mount i mena |
| 00:24.27 | |Fo|Ns | Flimzy, you want to create the device file? |
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| 00:24.28 | katabroc | mean |
| 00:24.29 | |Fo|Ns | mknod |
| 00:24.39 | dondelelcaro | !ntfsrw |
| 00:24.40 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. |
| 00:24.49 | Flimzy | |Fo|Ns: aye |
| 00:25.02 | katabroc | !ntfsrw |
| 00:25.02 | PandaKun | yo where are the tutorials to secure your debian box? |
| 00:25.02 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. |
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| 00:25.08 | bsims | hey question, I am thinking of upgrading to an AMD64 processor but have no intention of running a 64bit userland... what kernel should I use (I am currently using a K7 processor and kernel) |
| 00:25.11 | PandaKun | !iptables |
| 00:25.12 | dpkg | i heard iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 00:25.26 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 00:25.32 | PandaKun | thanks man |
| 00:25.34 | |Fo|Ns | Flimzy, if you use devfs or something similar devices should be created automatically |
| 00:25.55 | dondelelcaro | again, just cd /dev; MAKEDEV fd0; it's fairly simple. |
| 00:26.00 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: MAKEDEV doesn't seem to know how |
| 00:26.05 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: sure it does. |
| 00:26.10 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: fd0 is already there. |
| 00:26.30 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I need the high-density format devices to be created. |
| 00:26.38 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: the fd0 option to MAKEDEV makes the appropriate fdu2880 etc. devices. |
| 00:26.49 | dondelelcaro | s/u/0/ |
| 00:27.07 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Not in practice. |
| 00:27.15 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: yes in practice; I've made them myself. |
| 00:27.23 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: what command line did you use? |
| 00:27.28 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: cd /dev; MAKEDEV fd0; |
| 00:27.47 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Well I've done that half a dozen times now, and I'm telling you... fd0 is the *only* device it creates. |
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| 00:28.17 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: what is the output of mount|grep dev |
| 00:28.33 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: the same as the output of mount :P |
| 00:28.39 | dondelelcaro | errr... just /dev partition. |
| 00:28.45 | TheAsp | Flimzy: are you trying to format or read a disk? |
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| 00:28.54 | Flimzy | tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755) |
| 00:28.59 | Flimzy | TheAsp: Format |
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| 00:29.07 | TheAsp | Flimzy: install superformat |
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| 00:29.14 | Flimzy | TheAsp: I have that |
| 00:29.14 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: there you go; you're running udev. |
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| 00:29.24 | TheAsp | Flimzy: i dont think the devices are needed anymore |
| 00:29.30 | Flimzy | TheAsp: really? |
| 00:29.42 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: So I need to control that with udev somewhere, eh? |
| 00:29.53 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: yes; it would have been useful if you had told us that to start iwth. |
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| 00:30.11 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: in your case, they're probably created in /dev/.static/fd0u28880 etc. |
| 00:30.16 | javamaniac_ | hey i have a problem with linux-source |
| 00:30.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell javamaniac_ about ask |
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| 00:30.38 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: ahh, indeed |
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| 00:32.11 | javamaniac_ | well, i compiled the kernel,with bootsplash,and when i run it,it gives me :pivot_root error,EXT3 error,doesnt mount it,and then try to mount it as ext2 |
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| 00:32.32 | javamaniac_ | all of this is not successfully done |
| 00:33.19 | javamaniac_ | and not is the initrd,when i try to boot it directly without it,i have the same problem |
| 00:33.25 | Larry666 | Hello! One question ..... |
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| 00:33.49 | Larry666 | what s happening with debian mirrors? |
| 00:34.02 | black13 | slow? |
| 00:34.04 | javamaniac_ | they are moving |
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| 00:34.42 | Larry666 | since july 21 ?? |
| 00:34.48 | javamaniac_ | yeah |
| 00:35.03 | javamaniac_ | are u using sid?? |
| 00:35.19 | dondelelcaro | raff and samosa have already moved, the mirror pulse should be happening, and things should be coming back into sync shortly. |
| 00:35.21 | Larry666 | one week to move a server?? thats a long time .... |
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| 00:35.27 | dondelelcaro | Larry666: talk to FedEx |
| 00:35.28 | Larry666 | yes! |
| 00:35.30 | PandaKun | yo guys |
| 00:35.30 | PandaKun | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 00:35.41 | PandaKun | apt-get update was executed. |
| 00:35.43 | FieldySnuts | lowercase p? |
| 00:35.52 | PandaKun | ? |
| 00:35.54 | dutharuth | why's gentoo so lame ? |
| 00:35.56 | dondelelcaro | nah, it's the Packages.gz file |
| 00:36.00 | FieldySnuts | dutharuth: please don't troll |
| 00:36.25 | FieldySnuts | I is imtelligent |
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| 00:36.51 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: amd64 isn't supported on security.debian.org yet; see the amd64 FAQ for details. |
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| 00:37.05 | Thanatermesis | Welcome to Elive world Elive_user |
| 00:37.08 | Elive_user | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 00:37.12 | FieldySnuts | !kill Thanatermesis |
| 00:37.15 | Elive_user | alguien me puede dar la explicacion logica de esto ? |
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| 00:37.23 | FieldySnuts | hrm |
| 00:37.28 | Elive_user | porque yo estoy flipando vaya |
| 00:37.29 | PandaKun | where is the amd64 faq |
| 00:37.30 | Elive_user | O_O |
| 00:37.31 | dondelelcaro | Elive_user: dpkg segfaulted. It happens; try running the command again |
| 00:37.31 | Elive_user | O_Oç |
| 00:37.32 | FieldySnuts | !es |
| 00:37.32 | Elive_user | O_Oç |
| 00:37.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:37.34 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 00:37.36 | Elive_user | espera que flipo mas |
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| 00:37.49 | FieldySnuts | Thanatermesis: what are you? |
| 00:38.03 | FieldySnuts | Thanatermesis: !find warez.exe |
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| 00:38.09 | FieldySnuts | oh well |
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| 00:38.41 | PandaKun | !security |
| 00:38.42 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 00:38.44 | FieldySnuts | Elive_user: if you calm down and speak ingles, you might get un-silenced and be allowed to talk again. but I didn't make the decision. |
| 00:38.45 | FieldySnuts | bah |
| 00:38.45 | PandaKun | niceeee. |
| 00:38.47 | PandaKun | !security64 |
| 00:38.56 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: you can /msg the bot. |
| 00:39.01 | dondelelcaro | !tell PandaKun -about amd64 |
| 00:39.03 | PandaKun | yeah i am |
| 00:39.04 | aurax | !he |
| 00:39.04 | dpkg | from memory, he is like gay.. like in beeing a faggot |
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| 00:39.09 | PandaKun | i went to the channel. |
| 00:39.09 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget he |
| 00:39.10 | dpkg | i forgot he, FieldySnuts |
| 00:39.11 | aurax | haha |
| 00:39.13 | javamaniac_ | well, i compiled the kernel,with bootsplash,and when i run it,it gives me :pivot_root error,EXT3 error,doesnt mount it,and then try to mount it as ext2 |
| 00:39.14 | aurax | !il |
| 00:39.14 | dpkg | somebody said il was Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable fucktards. |
| 00:39.21 | FieldySnuts | what the hell |
| 00:39.27 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: factinfo il |
| 00:39.27 | dpkg | il -- created by hoxu <hoxu@dsl-jklgw3i1c.dial.inet.fi> at Fri Apr 11 14:41:42 2003 (839 days); it has been requested 24 times, last by aurax, 13s ago. |
| 00:39.56 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget il |
| 00:39.56 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: i forgot il |
| 00:40.07 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: il is <reply> il was Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable wankers |
| 00:40.07 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: okay |
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| 00:40.32 | FieldySnuts | oh no wonder it didn't reply. |
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| 00:42.57 | zouhair | !ma |
| 00:42.57 | dpkg | somebody said ma was milliampere(s). Morocco |
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| 00:43.26 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: mA |
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| 00:45.29 | cwood | So those servers have finished moving, out of curiosity? |
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| 00:45.45 | dondelelcaro | cwood: yes, they're already set up. |
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| 00:45.59 | dondelelcaro | (that happened > 24 hours ago) |
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| 00:46.36 | cwood | ah, ok. Since I'm always like a child at Christmas at daily upgrade time, any idea when the sid upgrades will return? :) |
| 00:46.50 | dondelelcaro | cwood: they should either happen tonight or tomorrow. |
| 00:47.14 | cwood | cool, ty. |
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| 00:47.36 | cddesjar | i am having trouble get xfontsel to recognize the fonts i just installed |
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| 00:51.53 | c01100011 | with sid upgrades returning could that mean inkscap update !? |
| 00:52.19 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: info inkscape |
| 00:52.26 | FieldySnuts | or something |
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| 00:52.54 | johnsu01 | any suggestions for getting hotplug to start again after it stops responding? I've done /etc/init.d/hotpug restart, and rmmod'd all the modules I know are related to USB, but the kernel is still not responding to any devices being plugged in. |
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| 00:53.57 | johnsu01 | This happens pretty often, usually after putting the laptop to sleep, but restarting the hotplug service always fixes it. |
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| 00:55.14 | johnsu01 | There are error messages involving pciehp and shpchp in kern.log when restarting the service |
| 00:55.25 | fas3r | anybody know what the port for steam (counter strike), |
| 00:55.53 | megatronx | hey anyone use bluetooth here? i would like to know what's the command to transfer files from my pc to laptop (vice versa)? |
| 00:56.03 | PerfDave | fas3r: I think it can run over Cedega, which is a commercial product. |
| 00:56.24 | fas3r | Cedega? what that? |
| 00:56.27 | johnsu01 | megatronx: I use the obex programs to transfer things between my phone and laptop via bluetooth |
| 00:56.29 | PerfDave | megatronx: obexftp on the command line, there should be GUI equivalents. |
| 00:56.47 | PerfDave | fas3r: Cedega is a commercial program to kludge Windows-only software into running on Linux. |
| 00:57.09 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Isn't it mainly for games? |
| 00:57.10 | fas3r | it's for my iptables script .... |
| 00:57.29 | megatronx | PerfDave: where? i've searched and found gnome-bluetooth, but have no luck getting it to install via apt/synaptics nor tar |
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| 00:57.44 | avium | does anyone know how i can set a variable, such as PYTHONPATH, globally? |
| 00:57.49 | PerfDave | Arafangion: No idea, I don't touch it with a barge pole ;) |
| 00:57.54 | johnsu01 | megatronx: apt-cache search obex |
| 00:58.04 | Arafangion | avium: Impossible, what do you really want? |
| 00:58.21 | PerfDave | avium: Globally to what? |
| 00:58.29 | avium | i want a .py script that's executed by apache to load a file from another location |
| 00:58.34 | PandaKun | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.35 | megatronx | ok. done that. |
| 00:58.39 | PandaKun | anyone get that erroring trying to install that chroot shit |
| 00:58.43 | PandaKun | debootstrap --arch i386 sid /var/chroot/sid-ia32 ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 00:58.44 | johnsu01 | megatronx: If you don't have bluetooth set up at all yet, you'll also need bluez-utils |
| 00:58.56 | megatronx | i have bluez-utils installed and running |
| 00:59.15 | avium | i suppose i can set the pythonpath interscript |
| 00:59.32 | johnsu01 | megatronx: So, install obexftp and obexserver, read their man pages, and see where that gets you. |
| 00:59.43 | megatronx | ok |
| 00:59.48 | johnsu01 | megatronx: I don't transfer files that often, so I always have to look it up :) |
| 01:00.03 | megatronx | oh |
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| 01:00.49 | ralf | there are updates in sid today? |
| 01:01.53 | Guerin | ralf: is today a day ending in 'y'? |
| 01:02.01 | Guerin | if so, there are updates |
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| 01:02.28 | megatronx | johnsu01: is it possible to transfer songs (.wav .ogg, etc.) via bluetooth? i'm new to bluetooth and been trying to use it. |
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| 01:02.37 | Andares | Aaaahhhh |
| 01:02.39 | Andares | Hi. |
| 01:02.41 | Andares | libfontconfig1-dev: |
| 01:02.43 | Andares | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.47 | johnsu01 | megatronx: sure, you should be able to transfer any files. |
| 01:03.00 | Andares | Why am I receiving this error? |
| 01:03.12 | megatronx | johnsu01: cool. |
| 01:03.14 | Guerin | Andares: because you're using sid |
| 01:03.21 | Andares | What's sid? |
| 01:03.25 | rbochan | and ubuntu |
| 01:03.28 | Guerin | !faq |
| 01:03.28 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:03.41 | Andares | ;( |
| 01:03.56 | punchman | hello all |
| 01:04.24 | rbochan | Andares: ask in #ubuntu |
| 01:04.44 | Andares | Yea, I did. Their recommendation: "reformat & reinstall" |
| 01:04.44 | megatronx | johnsu01: i've installed obexftp & serv. will there be a gui or all is via commands? |
| 01:05.03 | johnsu01 | megatronx: I'm not sure about gui, I always just use the command line. |
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| 01:05.24 | PandaKun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:05.32 | PandaKun | did anyone get that trying to run debootstrap |
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| 01:06.03 | cwood | We all use screen and praise its usefulness... isn't there something similar for X? I could swear I saw one, but can't find it now. |
| 01:06.08 | punchman | PandaKun, grabage colletion something? |
| 01:06.34 | Gathond | cwood: xmove |
| 01:06.43 | cwood | ty |
| 01:06.48 | punchman | po |
| 01:06.48 | Arafangion | cwood: And arguably ratpoison as well. |
| 01:07.04 | johnsu01 | and vnc |
| 01:07.04 | maher | PandaKun: mirrors are out of sync due to move - try a different mirror or wait till tomorrow |
| 01:07.05 | PandaKun | huh punch? |
| 01:07.12 | PandaKun | any mirror suggestions/ |
| 01:07.59 | PandaKun | googling right now |
| 01:08.01 | PandaKun | !debootstrapmirrors |
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| 01:09.10 | tbx | for some reason, once my system starts, my optical drive disappears. Meaning, it shows in bios, it boots bootable media, but debian says, "mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist"; searching kern.log for references, I get IRQ erros. The fun bit is that this is new, within four days past, I was happily ripping cds. Brand new drive, this is, by the way. Can anyone help? |
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| 01:09.37 | sorush20 | guys is debian as stable as gentoo.. |
| 01:09.39 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: some mirrors are out of sync, if you want to install a sid chroot, you may need to wait. It's not really a big deal. |
| 01:09.52 | PandaKun | ah |
| 01:09.55 | dondelelcaro | tbx: what else have you changed? |
| 01:09.58 | Anders | sorush20, why would it be less stable? |
| 01:10.03 | PandaKun | im just reading a manual on how to install a 32bit app on a 64. |
| 01:10.10 | PandaKun | how long do you think ill need to wait don? |
| 01:10.33 | nerdy2 | i can't imagine gentoo would be as stable as debian (stable) |
| 01:10.35 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: you could try using debian.usc.edu for your mirror. |
| 01:10.40 | dondelelcaro | nerdy2: that's totally OT here. |
| 01:10.43 | PandaKun | thanks don. |
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| 01:10.52 | dondelelcaro | !tell PandaKun -about mirrors |
| 01:10.57 | tbx | dondelelcaro: nothing has changed. when I say brand new drive, I should clarify that the drive pre-dates this install. A few packages have been installed, but just piddly stuff like dictd and the like. |
| 01:10.58 | largezhang | hi all. I need a package: libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 in oldstable, architecture i386. How can I get it? Thanks. |
| 01:11.10 | nerdy2 | dondelelcaro: sorry, was responding to the q, not meant as a troll |
| 01:11.11 | sorush20 | I'm just wondering... on what bases is one better than the other or are they really the same except their names are different.. |
| 01:11.18 | PerfDave | largezhang: From the oldstable repositories? |
| 01:11.21 | dondelelcaro | largezhang: download it from oldstable from your local mirror that has oldstable. |
| 01:11.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell sorush20 -about why debian |
| 01:11.39 | largezhang | you mean by apt? |
| 01:11.43 | PerfDave | largezhang: If all else fails, you should be able to get it from http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 01:11.47 | tbx | dondelelcaro: I did try and install the new version of inkscape [dpkg -i], which failed miserably, so I aptitude removed it, and reinstalled it. |
| 01:11.51 | dondelelcaro | largezhang: no, by wget or whatever. |
| 01:12.01 | PerfDave | largezhang: If you have oldstable repositories in your apt config, you should be able to install it using apt. |
| 01:12.25 | rbochan | what's dpkg's command to search factoids for <text>? |
| 01:12.30 | dondelelcaro | tbx: that shouldn't have anything to do with it. Can you give us the dmesg output regarding that drive and any error messages that you've got? |
| 01:12.34 | dondelelcaro | rbochan: /msg dpkg help |
| 01:12.48 | rbochan | heh, been checking that out |
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| 01:13.05 | PandaKun | hey don debian.usc.edu didnt work |
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| 01:13.15 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: uh, it will work; it just may give you the same error. |
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| 01:13.36 | stouset | Anyone else notice that sid hasn't had an update in like a week? |
| 01:13.38 | PandaKun | letm e try again. |
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| 01:13.53 | hash|work | I have absolutely no applications running, I am in console (booted to it). out of 512 ram, I have like 100mb left, where is all the ram going? is that bad? |
| 01:13.59 | tbx | dondelelcaro: sure. Please pardon me, but I have never used #paste as mentioned in the welcome message.... I don't want to flood here, even though it's only about eight lines. |
| 01:14.00 | michal_ | hi.. what package do i have to reconfigure to turn off world readable home directories? |
| 01:14.01 | PandaKun | ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ <-- i used that |
| 01:14.03 | PandaKun | E: Couldn't download libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
| 01:14.04 | hash|work | close to absolute no apps running* |
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| 01:14.05 | PandaKun | and got that |
| 01:14.20 | stouset | hash|work: cache |
| 01:14.38 | tbx | dondelelcaro: so I am reading, and will paste in a moment. |
| 01:14.44 | hash|work | stouset: could you be a bit more descriptive? |
| 01:14.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell tbx -about paster |
| 01:14.58 | hash|work | I don't quite understand one word answers :) |
| 01:15.34 | michal_ | is it possible? or do i have to make a cronjob whcih fixes the permissions at an interval? |
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| 01:15.43 | paster | "tbx" at 64.139.238.208 pasted "dmesg | grep hdc" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/403 |
| 01:15.49 | stouset | hash|work: What's the point of memory if it's not being used? |
| 01:15.53 | PandaKun | =o |
| 01:16.33 | hash|work | stouset: why is the system using up 300 mb of ram when I hardly hardly any ram consuming apps runnig, I am in console with irssi running, ftpd/apache/and that little bitty mumbo jumbo running |
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| 01:16.39 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: what is the exact command you are running? |
| 01:16.46 | dondelelcaro | !free ram |
| 01:16.46 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 01:16.49 | dondelelcaro | hash|work: ^^^ |
| 01:16.59 | dondelelcaro | free ram is wasted ram |
| 01:17.12 | paster | "tbx" at 64.139.238.208 pasted "sudo cat /var/log/kern.log | grep hdc" (14 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/404 |
| 01:17.14 | hash|work | thank you the don of the delel caro :) |
| 01:17.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell hash|work -about meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 01:17.52 | michal_ | I guess chmod -R u+r,g-w,o-w /home in a cronjob will have to do it :/ |
| 01:17.54 | tbx | dondelelcaro: there's paste from dmesg and kern.log |
| 01:18.15 | hash|work | oracle is splendid |
| 01:18.37 | hash|work | something of the sort, I just workd 12 hours im not up for thinking |
| 01:18.39 | hash|work | but cool |
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| 01:18.52 | rbochan | dondelelcaro: thanks, just missed the one I was looking for |
| 01:18.55 | dondelelcaro | tbx: it's possible the drive has failed or you've got a bad connector or something. |
| 01:18.55 | stouset | hash|work: Memory takes no time to release, so why not keep stuff around, just in case it's useful? |
| 01:19.05 | hash|work | oh so its being cached? |
| 01:19.08 | hash|work | word |
| 01:19.14 | chealer | I still don't really figure out the meaning of dondelelcaro :) |
| 01:19.19 | PandaKun | how about me don the mirror didnt seem to work |
| 01:19.19 | tbx | dondelelcaro: why then does it work fine outside the O.S.? |
| 01:19.21 | hash|work | I get it now, I thought it was like 'leaking' or some such thing |
| 01:19.37 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: what is the exact command you are running? |
| 01:19.44 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: sudo debootstrap --arch i386 sid . http://debian.usc.edu; works just fine here. |
| 01:20.01 | hash|work | so the concept of the 'free your ram' that is in windows doesn't apply to linux at all? |
| 01:20.03 | tbx | dondelelcaro: I have halted the machine several times today, and each time upon restart I place a different bootable CD, and each one works just fine. Knoppix. Mandrake installer. Partition Commander. Partition Magic. And so on. |
| 01:20.17 | stouset | hash|work: check the +/- buffers/cache line, and you can see the "real" free memory |
| 01:20.21 | michal_ | also.. why is it that settting up non-interactive ssh sessions to a Sarge machine from another system is so incredibly difficult? it ALWAYS askes for a password |
| 01:20.22 | dondelelcaro | tbx: well, install the same kernel that you're using on one of those systems on your Debian box. |
| 01:20.23 | hash|work | ahhh |
| 01:20.32 | michal_ | asks |
| 01:20.56 | dondelelcaro | michal_: it's not that difficult; you make your ssh keys, you export them into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys; you make sure the permisions are set properly, and you're done. |
| 01:21.10 | tbx | dondelelcaro: I am using stock kernel image 2.6.8-2-k7, the same one I have /been/ using since I installed this machine, with which the drive was working fine up until sunday. |
| 01:21.19 | michal_ | dondelelcaro, well that's what you do on OTHER systems.. havn't been able to get it working on a sarge system yet though |
| 01:21.20 | dondelelcaro | tbx: well, try reinstalling that kernel. |
| 01:21.37 | dondelelcaro | michal_: well, then you've managed to screw something up. Use ssh -vv; to see what is going on. |
| 01:21.50 | tbx | dondelelcaro: ay, chihuahua! Okay, whadday gotta lose? |
| 01:22.03 | tbx | dondelelcaro: thanks for the assist, it is appreciated. |
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| 01:23.02 | megatronx | johnsu01: well it's going to be a while until i get this, but thank you very much for the help. |
| 01:23.34 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | wow, sid is really b0rked |
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| 01:23.50 | johnsu01 | megatronx: Sure, good luck. I use bluetooth all the time for a modem connection on my laptop, but rarely use it to transfer files. |
| 01:23.51 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: no, it's not; it's sid. This is normal. |
| 01:23.54 | punchman | Was it? |
| 01:24.22 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | dondelelcaro: it is not, you know that. I can't upgrade since 15 days, else it would remove gnome |
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| 01:24.39 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: uh, you are aware that you don't have to upgrade everything in one shot, right? |
| 01:24.54 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: and that's not exactly new either, it takes time for new packages to make it through NEW. |
| 01:24.55 | maher | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: its just the gcc transition - this is not even considered broken for sid |
| 01:25.03 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | dondelelcaro: ye ye |
| 01:25.08 | megatronx | johnsu01: shit. how's the connection? |
| 01:25.11 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | maher: yeah, 4.0 |
| 01:25.28 | maher | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: put stuff on hold if you need to do upgrades for some reason |
| 01:25.35 | dondelelcaro | I mean, we're not even changing libc versions here; this is nothing. |
| 01:25.38 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | maher: yeah, I'm not complaining |
| 01:25.56 | johnsu01 | megatronx: I don't have any numbers on it, but it's not bad. Fast enough to browse the web and download email while traveling :) |
| 01:26.10 | johnsu01 | megatronx: It seems to be at least as fast as a 56k dialup |
| 01:26.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you went to debconf? |
| 01:26.16 | deadcat | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: hahahah. |
| 01:26.21 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yes |
| 01:26.28 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how was it? |
| 01:26.32 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | deadcat: chatting while in restaurant and eating |
| 01:26.32 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: good |
| 01:26.37 | daveb | so any ideas on debugging why ssh-agent never asks for my passphrase. its running. |
| 01:26.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i see alot of ibook on the picture (= |
| 01:26.47 | daveb | but when I login to gdm it doens't ask. |
| 01:27.11 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, there are a lot of them... but apparently not as many as last year; the lack of support for bits of hardware in them is taking its toll |
| 01:27.13 | megatronx | johnsu01: cool. |
| 01:27.51 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: help ;P I cant install k3b |
| 01:28.01 | TwistedEmotions | libaspell15 is not installable ;( |
| 01:28.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont use kde shits man (= |
| 01:28.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What do you use? |
| 01:28.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you have to wait because that might have something to do with gcc4 |
| 01:28.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: gcombust.. weak but works |
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| 01:29.01 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | what pictures? |
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| 01:29.05 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: that things been uninstallable for like 3 months now... ever since I upgraded some shit.. |
| 01:29.14 | TwistedEmotions | gcombust will burn audio cd's? |
| 01:29.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: it should also check out eroaster as well. |
| 01:29.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk.. |
| 01:29.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dont your car cd player thing play mp3 data files? (= |
| 01:30.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: nahh.. |
| 01:30.19 | deadcat | damn. |
| 01:30.57 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how many people? |
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| 01:32.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell crimeboy -about away |
| 01:32.16 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: couple hundred |
| 01:32.24 | deadcat | thats alot |
| 01:32.52 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: http://elonen.iki.fi/photos/debc5/ |
| 01:33.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: that pic is ~100 only |
| 01:34.24 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | dondelelcaro: which one are you? |
| 01:34.34 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | where was that? |
| 01:34.43 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: uh... try closer to 250 |
| 01:34.50 | deadcat | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: find him like waldo |
| 01:34.59 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | deadcat: I know waldo! |
| 01:35.03 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | I dunno him |
| 01:35.07 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | ROTFL |
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| 01:35.14 | deadcat | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: look for waldo's hat |
| 01:35.24 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | there are some hot chicks |
| 01:35.38 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | (unknown) ? |
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| 01:36.08 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | deadcat: lol check the waldo in top right top... dead shirt with hat |
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| 01:36.23 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | read, not dead |
| 01:36.38 | simy | whats that command to see whats using a device? and can it tell me whats locking up a certian ip and port? |
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| 01:36.46 | cwood | lsof |
| 01:36.48 | dondelelcaro | simy: lsof; netstat -plunt; |
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| 01:37.06 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | dondelelcaro: where you? |
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| 01:37.19 | simy | thanks guys (and or gals) |
| 01:37.21 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: if you can't figure out where I am, you don't need to know who I am. |
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| 01:37.42 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | dondelelcaro: why are you so grumpy? dammed. |
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| 01:38.24 | dondelelcaro | It's not like that pictures not anotated with names, nicks, and helpfull links that will show you the face of the person whose name you're looking for. |
| 01:38.36 | rob_lt | Hi. Can anyone recommend a system admin's guide for debian/linux? Suppose I want to setup a linux computer lab... what would you consider the "bible" for setting up a proper network. |
| 01:38.44 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | dondelelcaro: sure, let me move the mouse 400 times! |
| 01:38.51 | PandaKun | dob the mirror didnt work |
| 01:38.56 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: scroll down and become enlightened. |
| 01:39.00 | maher | WiFiTuxOUTBACK: please - you're embarrassing yourself |
| 01:39.05 | simy | is there a way to kill somthing by name instead of PID? |
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| 01:39.06 | tvn | was there publication paper or proceeding etc at DebCon ? |
| 01:39.08 | PandaKun | *don |
| 01:39.12 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: what is the *EXACT* command you're running? |
| 01:39.14 | johnsu01 | simy: killall |
| 01:39.15 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: they should make it mouse-over (= |
| 01:39.16 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | dondelelcaro: oh shit |
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| 01:39.27 | PandaKun | dondelelcaro: i executed debootstrap --arch i386 sid /var/chroot/sid-ia32 ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/ |
| 01:39.42 | johnsu01 | simy: (note the ALL part of that, btw) |
| 01:39.43 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: uh... I said http://debian.usc.edu |
| 01:39.50 | dondelelcaro | s/deadcat/PandaKun/ |
| 01:39.50 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | dondelelcaro: gotcha! |
| 01:39.50 | PandaKun | let me try again |
| 01:39.51 | maher | rob_lt: i found running debian gnu/linux by welsh et al helpful when i started - there is an online debian administrators guide now as well |
| 01:39.56 | PandaKun | what? |
| 01:40.03 | samuel | hello all |
| 01:40.09 | simy | so " ?killall frozenprogram" |
| 01:40.17 | simy | so "killall frozenprogram"? |
| 01:40.20 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | dondelelcaro: lol, your pic doesn't "zoom" |
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| 01:40.28 | johnsu01 | simy: yep. |
| 01:40.39 | simy | johnsu01 thanks:) |
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| 01:40.42 | WiFiTuxOUTBACK | oh it did. |
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| 01:40.45 | PandaKun | didnt work dondelelcaro |
| 01:40.48 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: your server is slow. (= |
| 01:40.51 | deadcat | cpu i think |
| 01:40.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: that's not my server... |
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| 01:41.23 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: which version of debootstrap are you using? |
| 01:41.39 | PandaKun | hold on |
| 01:41.41 | PandaKun | trying to check lmao |
| 01:41.44 | simy | exit |
| 01:41.53 | rob_lt | maher: thanks... I'll look into anything anyone suggests. What I'm not looking for is "here is how to copy a file in linux, here is how to delete a file in linux". What I am looking for is "Your clients machine should mount the home directory via a NFS from the server, etc" |
| 01:41.55 | PandaKun | dont have a clue don |
| 01:42.02 | PandaKun | i did aptget to get it |
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| 01:42.22 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: dpkg -l debootstrap; |
| 01:42.39 | PandaKun | ii debootstrap 0.2.45-0.2 Bootstrap a basic Debian system |
| 01:42.41 | PandaKun | thanks don |
| 01:42.55 | samuel | i just installed gentoo to try it out in another computer... ok... is it just me or is the fact that by the time gentoo is finished compiling its out of date again? damn... once youve finished installing you may even have to buy a new computer its almost obsolete... but what i dont get... where is that speed that is claimed? i really didnt notice it faster... mabe my flags were all screwed up to be fair... but still... |
| 01:42.56 | TheAsp | rob_lt: usually works out ok |
| 01:43.14 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: uh... sarge's debootstrap may not be able to bootstrap sid. |
| 01:43.30 | TheAsp | rob_lt: i'd love to try afs, but i'm paranoid about it's server side |
| 01:43.31 | PandaKun | argh so what now? |
| 01:43.33 | rob_lt | but I'm looking for some sort of literature that would explain to the pros/cons to various ways of managing a linux network. |
| 01:43.40 | maher | rob_lt: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals <-- has some freely available stuff |
| 01:43.55 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: you probably want to run debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /var/chroot/sarge-ia32 http://debian.usc.edu; or similar. |
| 01:44.04 | maher | !gentoosmite samuel |
| 01:44.23 | PandaKun | whoa |
| 01:44.25 | PandaKun | its really slow now =o |
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| 01:44.32 | maher | PandaKun: you could debootrsap sarge and upgrade |
| 01:44.39 | PandaKun | what? |
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| 01:45.03 | samuel | maher, hahahaha - true dat |
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| 01:46.12 | Arafangion | Interesting. |
| 01:46.22 | Arafangion | apt-file does not depend on curl, but it needs it. |
| 01:46.30 | tvn | samuel: the speed up gain (of a optimized compiling and normal compiler) is not noticeable if that app happens to exec fast already. |
| 01:47.06 | samuel | tvn, so whats the point in compiling everything then for hours? |
| 01:47.13 | samuel | i just dont get it... |
| 01:47.21 | tvn | for fun ... some pople like looking at those things |
| 01:47.23 | biffiford | what's the point of putting decals on your car? |
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| 01:47.36 | dvs | biffiford: To make it look crumbier |
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| 01:47.49 | maher | biffiford: it makes your car go faster - duh |
| 01:47.52 | samuel | dvs, hahaha true |
| 01:48.08 | dvs | :-D |
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| 01:48.50 | samuel | i think the more i try other distros the quicker i go back to debian |
| 01:48.56 | TheAsp | http://www.cafepress.com/nucleartacos.26721726 |
| 01:48.57 | TheAsp | heh |
| 01:49.00 | samuel | gotta love debian |
| 01:49.02 | dvs | samuel: Now THAT's true |
| 01:49.06 | TheAsp | woops, wrong channel |
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| 01:49.10 | lindenle | samuel: what6 about ubuntu |
| 01:49.14 | punchman | dvs, your car needs a hammer |
| 01:49.28 | dvs | punchman: No, duct tape. |
| 01:49.32 | samuel | lindenle, i tried it. ran back FAST |
| 01:49.42 | punchman | dvs, fix it |
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| 01:49.47 | samuel | lindenle, no, kiddin, ubuntu is actually quite nice i though |
| 01:49.49 | samuel | t |
| 01:49.49 | lindenle | samuel: yeah me too |
| 01:50.01 | samuel | but sticking to debian |
| 01:50.07 | lindenle | smauel: a little to polished for my taste |
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| 01:50.51 | samuel | lindenle, yeah, and i also didnt like all those silly ubuntu this and ubuntu that all over the place |
| 01:51.01 | lindenle | samuel: :) word |
| 01:51.13 | dvs | samuel: fo shizzle |
| 01:51.16 | tvn | utnubu |
| 01:51.26 | samuel | thats what i like about debian, short of one menu entry... how would you ever know? |
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| 01:53.52 | PandaKun | hey dondelelcaro |
| 01:53.56 | PandaKun | umount: /var/chroot/sarge-ia32/proc/bus/usb: not mounted |
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| 01:54.08 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: yeah, that shouldn't matter. |
| 01:54.16 | PandaKun | ignore it? |
| 01:54.39 | PandaKun | dammit where did i put that manual i closed it rawr. |
| 01:55.46 | nixuser | whats new in debian these days? |
| 01:55.58 | dvs | nixuser: I can't get any updates. |
| 01:56.10 | punchman | no news is good news |
| 01:56.24 | nixuser | from which repository? |
| 01:56.38 | dvs | nixuser: any. They're moving the servers. Grrrrr |
| 01:56.52 | nixuser | oic, hehe, i run ubuntu here anyways |
| 01:56.53 | punchman | really? |
| 01:57.13 | nixuser | wouldnt want to do a deb net install now hehe |
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| 01:57.18 | PandaKun | yo dondelelcaro chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 01:57.31 | dvs | nixuser: you can. But it won't have any really new files |
| 01:57.39 | nixuser | yep |
| 01:57.49 | punchman | PandaKun, tray zsh |
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| 01:57.59 | punchman | PandaKun, try zsh |
| 01:58.04 | PandaKun | didnt work |
| 01:58.06 | nixuser | when they coming back up? |
| 01:58.11 | PandaKun | -bash: zsh: command not found |
| 01:58.20 | dvs | nixuser: supposily Monday |
| 01:58.27 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: use the paster bot to paste the full output of the run; also ls -l the chroot directory. |
| 01:58.28 | nixuser | long time to be down |
| 01:58.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell PandaKun -about paster |
| 01:58.36 | dondelelcaro | nixuser: they are already back up |
| 01:58.42 | PandaKun | what don? |
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| 01:58.51 | nixuser | tell dvs that |
| 01:58.57 | dvs | dondelelcaro: for good? |
| 01:58.59 | PandaKun | where on earth can the chroot directory be |
| 01:59.00 | dondelelcaro | dvs: yes. |
| 01:59.03 | PandaKun | locate chroot sec. |
| 01:59.12 | PandaKun | this? /usr/sbin/chroot |
| 01:59.32 | nixuser | what goes up must come down |
| 01:59.38 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: no. wherever you installed the sarge chroot, the second argument to debootstrap |
| 01:59.39 | punchman | PandaKun, ...... |
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| 01:59.47 | dvs | so I can expect updates tomorrow? |
| 01:59.52 | PandaKun | OH shit |
| 01:59.55 | dondelelcaro | dvs: soon, yes. |
| 01:59.55 | PandaKun | so ls -l /var/chroot/sarge-ia32? |
| 01:59.55 | nixuser | do them now |
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| 02:00.11 | dvs | nixuser: It doesn't work now. |
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| 02:00.22 | nixuser | hmmmm |
| 02:00.22 | fas3r | i have problem with iptables , the port 80 and 443 is open but if i want to connect to windowsupdate.com, i.e. dont want connect... |
| 02:02.03 | deadcat | fas3r: whats that site got to do with your machine? |
| 02:02.08 | Dinuir | I'm new to Debian (Sarge), does anyone know the command to install a sound driver - i have downloaded to driver |
| 02:02.26 | dvs | Dinuir: What soundcard? |
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| 02:02.37 | fas3r | it's for my loca lentwork |
| 02:02.42 | paster | "PandaKun" at 71.108.144.162 pasted "My ls -l entry of my chroot directory." (18 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/405 |
| 02:02.49 | Dinuir | dvs: built into the Gigabyte motherboard |
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| 02:02.58 | PandaKun | http://channels.debian.net/paste/405 <-- |
| 02:03.05 | dvs | Dinuir: /exec -o lspci | grep Eth |
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| 02:03.32 | dvs | Dinuir: Oops! I mean "/exec -o lspci | grep audio" |
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| 02:03.37 | Dinuir | dvs: COuld you please explain the command? |
| 02:03.52 | dvs | Dinuir: Type it right here in your chat client. |
| 02:04.00 | PandaKun | !mysqlbackupscript |
| 02:04.02 | PandaKun | lmao. |
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| 02:04.15 | Dinuir | dvs: no thanks lol |
| 02:04.28 | deadcat | Dinuir: then you on your own |
| 02:04.31 | dvs | Dinuir: Then I don't know what you'll need to load |
| 02:04.51 | Dinuir | dvs: ok |
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| 02:05.32 | Dinuir | exec |
| 02:05.44 | daedalus_ | Dinuir: It runs lspci and filters the output for any lines that say "audio" |
| 02:05.47 | Dinuir | dvs: comes back with error could not find script "-o" |
| 02:05.59 | bob2 | tarzeau: hah, work takes a lot of time, surprisingly ;p |
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| 02:06.55 | PandaKun | dondelelcaro =o look at my paste entry. |
| 02:07.11 | dvs | Dinuir: What chat client are you using? |
| 02:07.38 | Dinuir | dvs: just ran it - forgot linux is case sensitive - Konversation |
| 02:07.42 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: and if you run chroot .; in that directory? |
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| 02:08.17 | dvs | Dinuir: I don't see anything |
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| 02:08.44 | dvs | Dinuir: Just copy and paste what it printed out. |
| 02:08.50 | PandaKun | i think it did |
| 02:08.52 | Dinuir | dvs: still says cannot find script "-o" |
| 02:08.57 | PandaKun | whoa this is crazy don lol |
| 02:09.11 | daveb | ok |
| 02:09.19 | deadcat | Dinuir: just open a terminal and run that command |
| 02:09.24 | daveb | so ssh-agent is running gnome-session |
| 02:09.24 | PandaKun | yeah i think its the same dondelelcaro |
| 02:09.27 | daedalus_ | Dinuir: remove the '-o' |
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| 02:09.32 | daveb | but it never does ssh-add |
| 02:09.32 | dvs | Dinuir: forget the "-o" then. Run it and copy the output to your chat window |
| 02:09.42 | daveb | where can I put the call to run ssh-add when I login to X? |
| 02:10.17 | deadcat | daveb: .xsession ? |
| 02:10.22 | Nurbs | ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession |
| 02:10.23 | PandaKun | damn the chroot doesnt haev no apt-get lol |
| 02:10.24 | daedalus_ | daveb: on the command line |
| 02:10.28 | Dinuir | dvs: do I have to be in a certain location? |
| 02:10.33 | daveb | yeah it works on the command line |
| 02:10.33 | PandaKun | hey don E: Opening /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory) |
| 02:10.54 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: run apt-setup; or write your own sources.list |
| 02:10.58 | daveb | any reason why it doesn't call ssh-add since all the places that say how to setup ssh-agent show called ssh add> |
| 02:11.01 | daveb | ? |
| 02:11.06 | PandaKun | pssh |
| 02:11.07 | dvs | Dinuir: Just do as deadcat says and run "lspci | grep audio" in a command line window and paste the output here |
| 02:11.12 | dondelelcaro | daveb: what are you trying to do, exactly? |
| 02:11.24 | Nurbs | ; ssh-add -t 2h" in ~/.xsession for use with xdm |
| 02:11.26 | Dinuir | dvs: doing it now |
| 02:11.28 | PandaKun | you wish don lolol. thanks man |
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| 02:11.33 | PandaKun | i learned a lot today. |
| 02:11.55 | daveb | i am trying to get ssh-agent to ask for my passphrase when I login |
| 02:12.07 | Dinuir | dvs: command Ispci not found in console windows |
| 02:12.18 | dvs | Dinuir: lowercase "L" |
| 02:12.42 | daveb | everythign I have read says it "just works" in debian |
| 02:12.46 | Nurbs | daveb: is ssh-agent running? |
| 02:12.51 | Dinuir | dvs: the command runs returning nothing |
| 02:12.57 | daveb | so its hard to figure out what's wrong when all the documentation says you don't have to do anything :) |
| 02:12.59 | daveb | yes it is running |
| 02:13.09 | daveb | if I call ssh-add from a terminal in X it works fine after that. |
| 02:13.18 | TheAsp | dave: i think ssh-askpass is broken in sid right now |
| 02:13.18 | daveb | I'll try adding it to ~/,xsession |
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| 02:13.24 | Nurbs | daveb: and you're trying to have it ask from where? |
| 02:13.24 | daveb | ah. |
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| 02:13.52 | Nurbs | ssh-askpass works fine, I think the gnome-version doesn't |
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| 02:13.56 | daveb | i don't know _where_ I just want it to work. supposedly if you have. |
| 02:13.58 | daveb | ah. |
| 02:13.59 | Nurbs | at least it stopped working here |
| 02:14.05 | daveb | using gnome here. |
| 02:14.07 | dvs | Dinuir: Dunno then. If there is an audio chip on your motherboard, it would have printed something. |
| 02:14.20 | PandaKun | argh don another problem |
| 02:14.27 | PandaKun | svn: error: please check that your locale name is correct <-- trying to dl something from svn. |
| 02:14.32 | TheAsp | daveb: set it to /usr/lib/openssh/gnome-ssh-askpass or whatever |
| 02:14.33 | PandaKun | i mean with svn. |
| 02:14.44 | dvs | Dinuir: You could try running "alsaconf" as root |
| 02:14.45 | TheAsp | daveb: i think they have been moved out of /usr/bin |
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| 02:15.25 | Dinuir | dvs: i have the driver - just need to know how to install - what filenames do drivers normally have? i have .sh files etc |
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| 02:15.36 | PandaKun | guys any idea why i get svn: error: environment variable LANG is en_US |
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| 02:16.04 | dvs | Dinuir: I don't know. I just use the drivers in the kernel |
| 02:16.23 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: run dpkg-reconfigure locales; or set LANG=C |
| 02:16.32 | daveb | TheAsp: i'll try that |
| 02:16.39 | PandaKun | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 02:16.39 | daedalus_ | Dinuir: Uh, '.sh' is a shell script |
| 02:16.40 | PandaKun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.40 | PandaKun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.40 | PandaKun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.46 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: don't paste here ever. |
| 02:16.54 | PandaKun | im sorrry =o |
| 02:17.07 | PandaKun | what if its like a 1 line error? |
| 02:17.09 | PandaKun | still use the paster? |
| 02:17.40 | Dinuir | daedalus_: how do you run scripts? |
| 02:17.57 | daedalus_ | Dinuir, ./<filename> |
| 02:18.34 | daveb | i just have x11-ssh-askpass |
| 02:18.37 | Dinuir | daedalus_: Thanks |
| 02:19.33 | PandaKun | hey dondelelcaro it didn't work. |
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| 02:19.43 | Atula | !md5 |
| 02:19.45 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 02:19.58 | Atula | !tell Atula about md5 |
| 02:20.09 | FieldySnuts | !md5 badger |
| 02:20.10 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: run unset LANG LANGUAGE; or apt-get install locales; dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build en_US |
| 02:20.26 | paster | "PandaKun" at 71.108.144.162 pasted "dpkg-reconfigure locales; is what i executed." (16 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/406 |
| 02:20.34 | daedalus_ | !md5 mozilla |
| 02:20.35 | dpkg | dbeb1c32b66fd7717de583d999f89ec3 |
| 02:20.43 | PandaKun | i typed apt-get install locales; and dpkg yeah |
| 02:20.49 | PandaKun | and build en_US? |
| 02:20.53 | PandaKun | i selected that already |
| 02:21.09 | PandaKun | check it out dondelelcaro ^ i pasted it. |
| 02:21.28 | Atula | aaaah damn it, I don't want a freakin' lecture about md5, I just want to learn how to check it when I have a file.... |
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| 02:21.38 | dondelelcaro | Atula: so md5sum foofile; |
| 02:21.44 | FieldySnuts | man md5sum |
| 02:21.45 | Atula | anyone want to point me to a resource |
| 02:21.49 | Atula | cool |
| 02:21.50 | Atula | thanks |
| 02:21.54 | benjamindees | what should I use as a java plugin in Debian? |
| 02:21.59 | dondelelcaro | Atula: and in the future, just ask your actual question. |
| 02:22.08 | dondelelcaro | !tell crimeboy -about away |
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| 02:22.36 | useruser_ | PandaKun: unset $(locale|sed -e 's/=.*//') |
| 02:22.46 | PandaKun | same error. |
| 02:22.53 | PandaKun | the no file such directory |
| 02:22.55 | FieldySnuts | user error |
| 02:23.03 | dvs | !pebkac |
| 02:23.04 | dpkg | methinks pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 02:23.05 | maher | benjamindees: if you install java with java-package it takes care of that |
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| 02:23.17 | FieldySnuts | the hell are picnic and pebrhal |
| 02:23.42 | maher | FieldySnuts: picnic is when you take a packed lunch out on a little trip |
| 02:23.49 | Atula | dondelelcaro: does it take long to md5sum something? |
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| 02:23.53 | dvs | !smack maher |
| 02:23.57 | dondelelcaro | Atula: depends on the size of the file |
| 02:24.08 | PandaKun | so.. |
| 02:25.10 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: you quite clearly don't have locales installed; or they've been purged. Either unset the locale variables; or build the appropriate locale. |
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| 02:25.37 | PandaKun | hmm |
| 02:25.41 | PandaKun | i've done apt-get install locales |
| 02:25.56 | dvs | PandaKun: But have you selected some? |
| 02:25.57 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: ok, then run LANG=C LANGUAGE=C dpkg-reconfigure locales; |
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| 02:26.13 | PandaKun | ah i fixed it don |
| 02:26.18 | PandaKun | i did apt-get remove locales; |
| 02:26.21 | PandaKun | and reinstalled it. |
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| 02:27.24 | benjamindees | ah, I see, thanks maher |
| 02:27.36 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: you need to read man apt-get; and discover the --reinstall option. |
| 02:28.48 | PandaKun | yah lol. |
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| 02:29.30 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: you probably also need to read the quick reference; and you may wish to purchase a book on debian; /msg dpkg quick reference |
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| 02:29.54 | Sentia | ? when I apt-get --purge remove apache2 it only removes 64k worth of files, I know there where more then that installed. Any ideas? |
| 02:29.54 | PandaKun | lol i'm broke. |
| 02:30.11 | aisotton | dpkg |
| 02:30.23 | dondelelcaro | Sentia: uh, that's all the files that are in apache2; there are other parts to apache though. |
| 02:31.16 | Sentia | Dondelelcaro so the purge option will not remove all the created directories? |
| 02:31.33 | dondelelcaro | Sentia: it will remove everything that belongs to the apache2 package. |
| 02:31.45 | dondelelcaro | Sentia: it won't remove anything that you've created, as that's not part of apache2. |
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| 02:33.40 | PandaKun | wasnt there a gcc for 32 bit debians? |
| 02:33.50 | Sentia | Dondelelcaro: So how would I return the machine to it's state before the install? I have to delete all the files that where created by the package. i.e. /var/www? |
| 02:34.38 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: gcc figures out what to build based on the arch. |
| 02:34.45 | PandaKun | ahh |
| 02:34.52 | PandaKun | im running in a chroot |
| 02:35.02 | PandaKun | my machine is reallly a 64 |
| 02:35.02 | dondelelcaro | Sentia: the stuff in /var/www should go away, assuming it was created by the package. |
| 02:35.23 | dondelelcaro | Sentia: however, most of that stuff is created by apache-common or apache2-common which won't dissapear until you remove that package. |
| 02:35.45 | dondelelcaro | Sentia: you probably want to be using aptitude if dealing with automatically installed packages is something that you're not familiar with. |
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| 02:36.00 | Sentia | Dondelelcaro: Ah ok, I'll try that. |
| 02:36.09 | Sentia | Dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 02:36.14 | dondelelcaro | Sentia: np |
| 02:36.15 | tbx | I am attempting to recover data from a blown jfs partition. My new drive showed up today, so I have stripped out all drives save system, blown, and rescue. [hda, hdd, hdc, respectively]. I am doing "dd if=/dev/hdd of=/dev/hdc". Who has some serious suggestions what to do next?; or corrections if I have already misstepped? |
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| 02:37.21 | joesbox | hi |
| 02:37.21 | dondelelcaro | tbx: dd is generally not the right thing to be using unless the disks are exactly the same size. Instead mount both partitions and use cp -a or tar to do the transfer. |
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| 02:39.43 | pattm | dondelelcaro: he's not talking about just copying stuff, he's trying to recover data |
| 02:39.52 | libertine | what can i do to change to x windows's default fonts |
| 02:39.55 | tbx | dondelelcaro: according to jfs_fsck, /both/ partition tables on the blown drive are dead, so there is nothing to mount, so there is nothing to cp. the drives, physically, are twins. |
| 02:39.57 | pattm | I think it all depends on what "blown" means |
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| 02:40.43 | FieldySnuts | !mhb |
| 02:40.46 | pattm | tbx: is it bad hardware? (hdd is a dead/failing drive)? |
| 02:40.53 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: mhb? |
| 02:40.56 | FieldySnuts | :/ |
| 02:41.03 | pattm | the dd thing is a good start even if it isn't bad hardware |
| 02:41.21 | pattm | in that then you have one drive to play with (try various extreme recovery measures) and one that you haven't taken any chances with |
| 02:42.06 | pattm | I don't know much about jfs recovery. I'd think that in general, the more uncommon the filesystem is, the fewer recovery tools available that support recovering data from a messed up one |
| 02:42.16 | pattm | and jfs is pretty uncommon. |
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| 02:42.30 | dondelelcaro | tbx: if the partition is dead, dd'ing it won't help you much; because it will make an exact copy of a dead partition. |
| 02:42.46 | dondelelcaro | (unless it's some sort of transient hardware problem that caused it) |
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| 02:42.54 | pattm | dondelelcaro: It makes sense if you're going to try extreme recovery measures that might potentially cause further corruption |
| 02:42.54 | tbx | pattm: no, it's actually a fairly brand new drive. My mistake was this: I had it in an external USB enclosure attached to ... wait for it... a USB 1.1 socket. And then commenced to copy around 250GB of data. And it was fine and dandy. Then I unplugged it and took it to work, where it worked fine. then I took it home, and it worked for a day and then suddenly everything vanished. |
| 02:43.04 | PandaKun | /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory |
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| 02:43.14 | PandaKun | odd any idea dondelelcaro |
| 02:43.14 | pattm | that way you can have a backup copy if your recovery fails |
| 02:43.19 | libertine | what can i do to change to x windows's default fonts |
| 02:43.21 | PandaKun | i heard its a gcc related problem. |
| 02:43.26 | dondelelcaro | pattm: yes; that's about the only reason... |
| 02:43.36 | tbx | dondelelcaro: well, what else can I do? I am doing this step to at least back up the screwup so I can try and recover the blown paritiion without "care" of screwing it up even worse. |
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| 02:43.46 | dondelelcaro | tbx: sure. that's a reasonable thing to do. |
| 02:43.48 | punchman | PandaKun, binutils |
| 02:43.56 | PandaKun | what? |
| 02:43.58 | pattm | tbx: is there any info about recovering fucked up jfs stuff other than with fsck? |
| 02:44.04 | tbx | dondelelcaro: expensive, too, but hey, 250GB is nothing to piss away! |
| 02:44.06 | FieldySnuts | if you've got money talk to a data recovery company |
| 02:44.06 | pattm | like, on google or the jfs mailing lists or whatever? |
| 02:44.09 | FieldySnuts | not cheap. |
| 02:44.19 | tbx | pattm: I have googled my brains out, and I find nothing useful. |
| 02:44.23 | pattm | FieldySnuts: i REALLY doubt any of them know how to deal with JFS |
| 02:44.27 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why I don't use JFS... |
| 02:44.30 | FieldySnuts | pattm: you'd be surprised |
| 02:44.30 | tbx | pattm: not even any commercial solutions. |
| 02:44.36 | maher | tbx: i have managed to rebuild corrupt starting bits on vfat partitions - you always feel happier playing with a dd'ed disc image arther than the original drive |
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| 02:44.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you mean .. people do ? |
| 02:44.49 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: apparently |
| 02:44.50 | tbx | dondelelcaro: and that's the same reason that I never will again either. |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i thought it was ext3/reiser/xfs |
| 02:45.12 | pattm | tbx: my only thought is to get in touch with jfs developers |
| 02:45.30 | PandaKun | punchman what do you mean by binutils |
| 02:45.33 | FieldySnuts | nobody beleives me but i've had every filesystem I have tried except reiserfs3 fail me. ext2. ext3. jfs. xfs. bunch of others. bad luck, maybe. i know what filesystem I trust (no matter how much I trust it, regular backups are a must) |
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| 02:45.34 | pattm | tbx: if the data's worth enough, try to hire one |
| 02:45.40 | welson_ | i'm in a position that i'd to convert an ogg file to mp3, what's the best or package persay way to reduce loss due to transcoding? |
| 02:45.40 | punchman | PandaKun, ld |
| 02:45.45 | tbx | pattm: hm. Do you have any suggestions where/ how, or should I just start crawling through IBM's site? |
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| 02:45.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: jfs is a bit older than 10 years |
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| 02:46.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: iirc .. it was part of AIX3 |
| 02:46.05 | tbx | pattm: it's has more emotional worth than dollar worth. |
| 02:46.08 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it can apply; that doesn't mean it will be accepted. |
| 02:46.18 | pattm | tbx: groups.google.com, search for jfs, see who has the most usenet posts about it? |
| 02:46.22 | pattm | or mailing lists, whatever |
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| 02:46.27 | pattm | wherever jfs developers hang out |
| 02:46.33 | FieldySnuts | tbx: i'd call some places, at least get an estimate. for now I think if you can get a dd image of it, you're on the right path |
| 02:46.34 | tbx | pattm: okay, that I am on. |
| 02:46.36 | pattm | look for the e-mail addresses/names in the jfs code in the kernel |
| 02:46.43 | pattm | stuff like that |
| 02:46.44 | abrotman | pattm: in suits ... at IBM :)O |
| 02:46.44 | pattm | hehe. |
| 02:47.01 | punchman | hehe |
| 02:47.06 | punchman | evil |
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| 02:47.59 | tbx | FieldySnuts: so, was "dd if=/dev/hdd of=/dev/hdc" the best option, or would "dd if=/dev/hdd of=/dev/hdc/drive.img" & mount -t loop whatever better? |
| 02:48.00 | pattm | tbx: dfsee.com |
| 02:48.06 | pattm | has a tool that claims to do some jfs recovery |
| 02:48.17 | FieldySnuts | tbx: i think the later is better, and then even make a copy of that .img |
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| 02:48.29 | pattm | tbx: a bunch more commercial places claim to do jfs recovery also |
| 02:48.35 | pattm | google for "data recovery" jfs |
| 02:48.35 | joesbox | man i hate being a lurker but i have little knowledge what what you all are talking about |
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| 02:48.57 | welson_ | tbx, that would work but you have to configure the loop device with losetup and set an offset to the partition start |
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| 02:49.04 | abrotman | joesbox: regarding what ? |
| 02:49.13 | pattm | tbx: i think the first is the best option |
| 02:49.19 | maher | joesbox: ignorance is no excuse for not spouting off regularly - look at me... |
| 02:49.23 | pattm | tbx: i'd throw in a bs=2M |
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| 02:49.25 | joesbox | repairing the jfs that got borked and the using dd to fix it |
| 02:49.29 | pattm | tbx: to make it go a little faster |
| 02:49.33 | welson_ | tbx, I believe the offset is 65xxx something.. |
| 02:49.42 | pattm | joesbox: he's not using dd to fix it |
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| 02:49.54 | pattm | joesbox: he's using dd to back up the borked fs before he tries to fix it some other way |
| 02:49.55 | joesbox | well i understand that |
| 02:49.58 | pattm | hehe |
| 02:49.59 | abrotman | joesbox: the idea is that when your FS goes south .. make an image .. BEFORE you start seriously mucking with it |
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| 02:50.19 | pattm | or, you restore from the backup you make every night |
| 02:50.19 | joesbox | but the ultimate goal is to fix the part |
| 02:50.23 | pattm | because you are a good little boy |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | joesbox: if possible .. yes |
| 02:51.10 | PandaKun | hey has anyone experienced the "canont find /usr/bin/file/" problem? |
| 02:51.18 | faigo | does anyone using reiserfs now? I got reiserfs really slow after hard boot several times. |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | joesbox: JFS is a filesystem "given" to linux by IBM .. JFS is used as a default by AIX |
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| 02:51.39 | abrotman | faigo: many people swear by it |
| 02:51.43 | welson_ | tbx, still there? |
| 02:51.43 | joesbox | PandaKun: i have but that is after i moved it or removed the app and forgot |
| 02:51.58 | bob2 | BUT SCO OWNS IT |
| 02:51.59 | bob2 | erm |
| 02:52.01 | abrotman | !find bin/fil |
| 02:52.02 | abrotman | !find bin/file\ |
| 02:52.04 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:52.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/fil' (9 of 30): (/usr/bin/filan) in net/socat ;; (/usr/bin/file) in utils/file ;; (/usr/bin/file65) in devel/xa65 ;; (/usr/bin/filepp) in text/filepp ;; (/usr/bin/filter) in mail/filter ;; (/usr/bin/filterm) in text/konwert ;; (/usr/bin/filter1d) in science/gmt ;; (/usr/sbin/filesnarf) in net/dsniff ;; (/usr/bin/file2) in misc/file-kanji. |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | bob2: only part of it :) |
| 02:52.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/file\' returned no results. |
| 02:52.23 | joesbox | or updatedb;locate <file> |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | joesbox: file is a program in /usr/bin/file |
| 02:52.51 | libertine | thx |
| 02:52.55 | joesbox | yeah |
| 02:53.25 | welson_ | joesbox, $which foobar shows the path -- a trick to know if its a symlink can be done with file as -> $file `which runbin` |
| 02:53.26 | tbx | welson_: yes, sorry, I was ploughing through dfsee... |
| 02:53.28 | joesbox | but if you can't either just use the command or find it in /usr/bin/ |
| 02:54.34 | welson_ | tbx, I have alot of experience with partition blowouts-- use testdisk with knoppix or ultimate boot cd.. if you dd /dev/hd to >img.img -- this would seem pretty unnecessary-- the partition tables don't lie in the partitions-- how many partitions btw? |
| 02:54.35 | joesbox | i guess the first thing i would do is echo $PATH |
| 02:55.02 | tbx | welson_: just one biggie. |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | welson_: they have to support JFS .. which not all rescue disks do . becuase .. not many people use JFS |
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| 02:55.17 | welson_ | tbx, plus the mount cmd won't find a filesystem start-- its why you'd need losetup-- pretty tricky |
| 02:55.18 | PandaKun | odd |
| 02:55.25 | PandaKun | i keep getting that error when i try to compile mysql |
| 02:55.34 | PandaKun | that cannot find usr/bin/file shit |
| 02:55.34 | abrotman | PandaKun: why would you compile mysql ? |
| 02:55.42 | PandaKun | i was told to |
| 02:55.45 | PandaKun | lol |
| 02:55.47 | Sentia | haha |
| 02:55.47 | welson_ | tbx, try the knoppix cd with testdisk |
| 02:55.47 | PandaKun | by a friend |
| 02:55.48 | abrotman | by who ? |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | on debian ? |
| 02:55.55 | tbx | welson_: I just want to get my date copied off to a "safer" place and then not use JFS again. |
| 02:55.55 | Lanix | can any one tell me if an lexmark printer can be configure in debian ? would it work ? |
| 02:56.00 | PandaKun | nah this guy who made this one sfotare |
| 02:56.01 | PandaKun | eAthena |
| 02:56.06 | abrotman | does the printer work with cups ? |
| 02:56.12 | PandaKun | fuck it apt-get |
| 02:56.13 | PandaKun | lol |
| 02:56.16 | PandaKun | yeah abrot |
| 02:56.16 | PandaKun | some do |
| 02:56.23 | tbx | welson_: okay. While I am sitting here waiting for dd to finish, what's testdisk do, exactly? |
| 02:56.33 | rking | Lanix: have you googled for it? |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | PandaKun: not without good reason .. just because some schmuck told you so .. bad idea |
| 02:56.46 | PandaKun | abrot i want a printer that prints things on tshirts =] |
| 02:56.48 | Gathond | lanix, try linuxprinting.org |
| 02:56.53 | Lanix | yes , no answer |
| 02:56.54 | abrotman | it also depends on the version of lexmark printer |
| 02:56.57 | findme | lately this is hanging |
| 02:57.07 | abrotman | mmm beer |
| 02:57.13 | welson_ | tbx, it'll scan for something called magic numbers to determine the filesystem type, and it can recreate your partition table-- according to me i've had more luck with it than gpart |
| 02:57.17 | Lanix | been there |
| 02:57.21 | joesbox | abrotman: sounds good |
| 02:57.24 | PandaKun | ok ill use apt-get install mysql-server |
| 02:57.26 | PandaKun | mysql-devel? |
| 02:57.31 | PandaKun | what was it to install hte headers/libraries? |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | joesbox: i've done my share for the evening :) |
| 02:57.37 | PandaKun | libmysqlclient14? |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 02:57.39 | dpkg | well, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:57.51 | tbx | welson_: okay. that sounds worth a shot. when dd is done, I will unplut original blown drive and try to recover from the rescue copy. |
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| 02:58.12 | tbx | welson_: or, if unplutting it doesn't work, I'll unpluG it. |
| 02:58.20 | welson_ | tbx, if its just the partition table, its ok,-- you can even mount your drive if you know the offset of the filesystem start-- (man losetup) and rather than mount a partition, you mount the whole device with the offset |
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| 02:58.32 | welson_ | tbx, so how many partitions was it? |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | tbx: recovering from a dd image .. isn't going to get you anywhere .. unless perhaps .. you have another drive and you're currently experiencing hardware issues .. |
| 02:58.48 | tbx | welson_: really!? It was just one partition. |
| 02:58.55 | abrotman | tbx: restoring back to the same drive .. probably not worth the effort |
| 02:58.59 | Flimqy | I am unable to get an SBLive to mute the Line In with ALSA... I mute, unmute, change the volume... and the audio keeps coming thru loud and clear to the speakers. what am I doing wrong? |
| 02:59.02 | WillR | hey.... i jsut installed debian (on different pc) the nic im using is a wireless card.... it has an eth0 thats configured but nothing is happeneing i think its the onboard nic... theredoesnt seem to be an eth1 but ls pci lists a wireless driver installed... are wireless cards labeled differently? |
| 02:59.08 | welson_ | tbx, can't list anything of the partition table? |
| 02:59.14 | tbx | abrotman: I doubt very much that this is/was a hardware issue. |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | Will_: depending on the card .. wlan0 |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | or wlanx |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | err wlan# |
| 02:59.36 | tbx | welson_: I confess that very suddenly you have lost me. I don't know anything about that. |
| 02:59.41 | WillR | how will i know which? |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | tbx: are you saying you've lost faith in JFS ? :) |
| 02:59.51 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: who hasn't. |
| 02:59.53 | welson_ | tbx, if its just the partition table, and its only one, it should be very safe to try out testdisk.. |
| 02:59.56 | abrotman | Will_: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 03:00.00 | tbx | abrotman: please pardon the allcaps, but HELL YES! |
| 03:00.02 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: AIX junkies :) |
| 03:00.10 | FieldySnuts | aix doesn't count |
| 03:00.11 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i don |
| 03:00.13 | WillR | thanks... |
| 03:00.14 | PandaKun | hey |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i don't really have a problem with JFS .. but i'd prefer XFS or ext3 |
| 03:00.27 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aix? |
| 03:00.35 | PandaKun | anyone know how ot get apt-get install libmysqlclient14-dev to install into /usr/local/include/ |
| 03:00.39 | PandaKun | instead of /usr/include? |
| 03:00.42 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: date FieldySnuts |
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| 03:00.49 | FieldySnuts | hm. lagged i guess |
| 03:00.54 | FieldySnuts | bed time latah!! |
| 03:00.58 | abrotman | dpkg: only here .. /msg is fine |
| 03:00.58 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 03:01.03 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | fuck |
| 03:01.14 | abrotman | dpkg: forget only here .. /msg |
| 03:01.15 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot only here .. /msg |
| 03:01.18 | PandaKun | /usr/bin/ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `char.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
| 03:01.19 | PandaKun | holycrap! |
| 03:01.20 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: /msg is fine :) |
| 03:01.21 | joesbox | PandaKun: most deb packs will not install to that directory due to packaging rules |
| 03:01.22 | welson_ | tbx, what's the device? |
| 03:01.31 | FieldySnuts | and boring |
| 03:01.34 | PandaKun | any idea? |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | yeah |
| 03:01.43 | abrotman | !aix |
| 03:01.44 | dpkg | hmm... aix is the unix from the universe where Spock had a beard, or pronounced "aches", or more evil than HP-UX, or 'I can't believe it's not Unix'. Err, wait, it's IBM perverted bastard of Unix. |
| 03:01.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:01.54 | FieldySnuts | :( somebody picking on me again i see |
| 03:01.56 | PandaKun | lol |
| 03:01.57 | PandaKun | darnit. |
| 03:02.07 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite dpkg |
| 03:02.08 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you're on ignore again ? |
| 03:02.08 | ravenbird | dpkg: cheerio mate |
| 03:02.09 | PandaKun | should i worry about the error above? ^ |
| 03:02.13 | FieldySnuts | bah weak |
| 03:02.17 | FieldySnuts | i can't complain, i created it |
| 03:02.21 | tbx | welson_: /dev/hdd1 [if that's what you're asking], which is a seagate barracuda 7200.8 300GB drive, not more than a month old [to me]. |
| 03:02.27 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: not on ignore ? |
| 03:02.37 | welson_ | tbx, so how was it mounted previously? |
| 03:02.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:02.58 | joesbox | man am i tired |
| 03:03.04 | joesbox | i hate running. |
| 03:03.04 | abrotman | go to .. bed ? |
| 03:03.16 | tbx | welson_: it was inside an external USB enclosure, and connected to a [gag] usb 1.1 port. |
| 03:03.21 | xsdg | joesbox: tired? how far did you run? |
| 03:03.27 | joesbox | 1.5 miles |
| 03:03.36 | tbx | welson_: ...where it worked dog ass slow, but well enough that I had no serious complaints. |
| 03:03.40 | abrotman | joesbox: that's it ? |
| 03:03.41 | welson_ | tbx, you should check to see if there's an upgrade for that usb enclosure-- |
| 03:03.42 | xsdg | joesbox: err... what did you eat beforehand? |
| 03:03.51 | joesbox | i am no athlete |
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| 03:03.56 | tbx | welson_: the enclosure is fine, it's the MOBO that has only 1.1. |
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | joesbox: i feel bad when i do my "short" 5 mile bike ride :) |
| 03:04.08 | welson_ | tbx, upgrade the mobo's bios |
| 03:04.25 | joesbox | i spend my life dorking around online |
| 03:04.27 | xsdg | abrotman: what sort of bike? |
| 03:04.30 | abrotman | joesbox: that said .. not sure i could run 5 miles |
| 03:04.34 | xsdg | joesbox: what did you eat before running? |
| 03:04.49 | abrotman | xsdg: it's a mt bike .. but during the week .. i do road riding .. after work .. too hard to get to a trail |
| 03:04.52 | tbx | welson_: done, and no improvement. |
| 03:04.53 | Arafangion | How does one use apt-file? (I suspect my version is broken in some way) |
| 03:04.58 | joesbox | i had chicken, red beans and rice and peas about 2 hours before the run |
| 03:05.01 | xsdg | abrotman: ::nod:: |
| 03:05.04 | abrotman | Arafangion: what are you trying to make it do |
| 03:05.16 | abrotman | xsdg: and around philly .. the trails aren't that great to begin with |
| 03:05.20 | welson_ | tbx, wtf are you using a 300G via a slow link and crappy usb? |
| 03:05.21 | xsdg | abrotman: I would be doing road biking, if I weren't waiting for my headset to arrive :o/ |
| 03:05.25 | Arafangion | abrotman: Well, as a test, I want to be able to use it to determine that smb.conf is found in samba. |
| 03:05.25 | abrotman | xsdg: riding on shale .. sucks :) |
| 03:05.33 | xsdg | abrotman: aah :o/ |
| 03:05.39 | abrotman | Arafangion: generated by debconf iirc |
| 03:06.00 | joesbox | it was some good food |
| 03:06.08 | abrotman | xsdg: the place i really like to go is basically all shale .. nice area .. but shale sucks .. too hard to get traction .. tires slip .. end up walking |
| 03:06.24 | Arafangion | abrotman: Interesting. |
| 03:06.26 | abrotman | xsdg: but just short climbs |
| 03:06.27 | tbx | welson_: I wasn't in any hurry! At the time, it seemed prefereable to cracking open my box and jumbling parts around. And I point out that it was well after my mega cp was completed and files verified before things went hell south. |
| 03:06.30 | abrotman | !find smb.conf |
| 03:06.36 | Arafangion | abrotman: Well, seems to work, then ;) |
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| 03:06.44 | xsdg | abrotman: ::nod:: |
| 03:06.49 | abrotman | Arafangion: there you .. it's in samba-common |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | Arafangion: apt-file search smb.conf |
| 03:06.55 | welson_ | tbx, so you just unplugged it just like that? |
| 03:07.09 | tbx | welson_: no, I know how to umount stuff. |
| 03:07.11 | Arafangion | TheRock:~# apt-file list smb.conf |
| 03:07.11 | Arafangion | TheRock:~# |
| 03:07.15 | xsdg | joesbox: hmm; when was the last time you ran 1.5 miles? |
| 03:07.18 | abrotman | Arafangion: apt-file update |
| 03:07.21 | xsdg | (or around that distance) |
| 03:07.26 | welson_ | tbx, in case you didn't know there's usbtools -- a cmd you type so that you can safely dock off the usb device.. |
| 03:07.34 | Arafangion | abrotman: Done that, but I don't think it's _really_ updating |
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| 03:07.43 | abrotman | Arafangion: your mirror oculd be out of date ... |
| 03:07.46 | joesbox | 2 days ago.... before that was 3 months... i got out of the habit and i am starting up again |
| 03:07.56 | abrotman | Arafangion: as a backup .. you can always use packages.debian.org |
| 03:07.57 | xsdg | aah |
| 03:07.58 | Arafangion | abrotman: In any case, updating it is instantanious, and downloads nothing. |
| 03:08.01 | welson_ | tbx, yacking off the usb device i never trust-- there's a soft switch for it.. |
| 03:08.02 | joesbox | i have been a slug |
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| 03:08.16 | xsdg | joesbox: yeah, a couple more times and you should be good to go |
| 03:08.17 | tbx | welson_: does that handle things differently than simply umounting devices? I really don't like automount of /anything/. |
| 03:08.19 | abrotman | Arafangion: sarge ? |
| 03:08.21 | joesbox | unfortunatly... my running is tied in with my job |
| 03:08.27 | xsdg | (in terms of not feeling too bad afterward, that is) |
| 03:08.31 | Arafangion | abrotman: No. |
| 03:08.39 | abrotman | Arafangion: then something is off ... |
| 03:08.40 | libertine | {search for softeware} i need a soft can tell me the weather,not gkrellm,i need a other beauty and have the transparence userface and Graphics show the weather |
| 03:08.40 | joesbox | i have to get it back under 12 minutes |
| 03:08.53 | welson_ | tbx, you were supposed to have it all synced-- that's what umount ensures-- it probably didn't flush-- therefore not everything was copied to the drive-- you may have lost a few bytes here there.. |
| 03:08.54 | Arafangion | abrotman: I'm using unstable. |
| 03:09.01 | libertine | any ideas!!! |
| 03:09.01 | abrotman | joesbox: i was a "long distance" runner in high school .. my mile was like 7 minutes |
| 03:09.08 | abrotman | Arafangion: something is really wrong then |
| 03:09.22 | abrotman | Arafangion: you could use apt-setup to pick another mirror |
| 03:09.25 | welson_ | tbx, you don't need to know how to umount if what you're telling me has /dev/hdd1 mounted-- you can make use of usbtools to disconenct the usb device.. |
| 03:09.26 | tbx | welson_: a few bytes here and there is highly acceptable as contrasted with 250GB. |
| 03:09.40 | joesbox | i have never liked running... i used to ride my bike for miles and miles but never liked running |
| 03:09.44 | Arafangion | abrotman: I think the initial update was messed up, and I noticed that apt-file requires curl, yet has no dependency on curl. |
| 03:09.45 | libertine | <search for softeware> i need a soft can tell me the weather,not gkrellm,i need a other beauty and have the transparence userface and Graphics show the weather |
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| 03:10.00 | xsdg | libertine: please don't repeat |
| 03:10.16 | welson_ | tbx, but you didn't let it complete, apparently, and you should avoid what most people tend to think-- usb is not always safe to simply pull out after connection.. |
| 03:10.17 | abrotman | libertine: which DE do you use ? |
| 03:10.21 | libertine | xsdg:ok, |
| 03:10.21 | drusscol | how can I pipe stderr to a command? I know how to redirect it to a file, how can I pipe it? |
| 03:10.26 | tbx | welson_: okay, noted. I will use usbtools in the future. However, for now, that drive will remain where it has been moved to, and that is /inside/ in an IDE port. |
| 03:10.29 | libertine | abrotman:debian sarge |
| 03:10.30 | joesbox | hell we had a hill that was a 30 degree grade i had rode up on a single gear bike.... |
| 03:10.38 | abrotman | libertine: no .. gnome/kde/etc |
| 03:10.40 | abrotman | ?? |
| 03:10.49 | xsdg | joesbox: single speed or fixie? 8) |
| 03:10.54 | joesbox | fixie? |
| 03:10.56 | libertine | abrotman:xfce4 |
| 03:10.58 | abrotman | joesbox: oddly .. single gear .. is sometimes easier |
| 03:11.14 | welson_ | tbx, well i don't know what the problem is, it could be anything.. but from what it sounds, it sounds that it must of been you pulled it out too soon.. |
| 03:11.15 | abrotman | libertine: hrm .. i know gdesklets does what you're asking .. dunno if they work in xfce5 |
| 03:11.20 | tbx | welson_: btw, aptituded says "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "usbtools"" |
| 03:11.21 | xsdg | joesbox: fixed-gear -- no freewheel |
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| 03:11.28 | joesbox | bmx regular pedal bike like when were a kid |
| 03:11.34 | welson_ | tbx, apt-cache search usb tool |
| 03:11.38 | joesbox | fixed no freewheel |
| 03:11.39 | abrotman | joesbox: coaster brakes!!!! |
| 03:11.41 | tbx | welson_: ah, today's double entendre. Thank you for that. |
| 03:11.51 | libertine | abrotman:gdesklets,thx,i'll try |
| 03:12.00 | abrotman | libertine: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/ |
| 03:12.04 | joesbox | regular back pedal brakes.... |
| 03:12.10 | abrotman | coaster brakes~!!!!} |
| 03:12.52 | paster | "tbx" at 64.139.238.208 pasted "apt-cache search usb tool" (16 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/407 |
| 03:12.59 | tbx | welson_: am I missing something? |
| 03:13.00 | welson_ | tbx, apt-cache search usb device|sort -- anything usb |
| 03:13.04 | xsdg | I never had a bmx bike; just a regular tiny training-wheels-compatible bike and another one, a bit larger, when I was a bit older |
| 03:13.08 | welson_ | tbx, there's also hotplug for usb |
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| 03:13.10 | libertine | abrotman:thx,i got it |
| 03:13.11 | abrotman | tbx: what are you looking for ? |
| 03:13.13 | joesbox | well guys... i am going to get going..... wife is bitching at me for being on the puter too much |
| 03:13.16 | joesbox | later |
| 03:13.20 | xsdg | joesbox: adieu |
| 03:13.27 | abrotman | joesbox: put her in puter ? |
| 03:13.28 | welson_ | !usb |
| 03:13.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
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| 03:13.47 | abrotman | stouset has been quiet lately |
| 03:13.48 | welson_ | thought there can be a hint what usb packages deserve recognition |
| 03:13.51 | WillR | ifconfig -a only shows eth0 ....doesnt show any wireless connections... but lspci shows it as Texas instruments ACX100 22MBS wireless...how do i configure this on my LAN ??? |
| 03:13.51 | tbx | welson_: hotplug is installed. Another point of fact - when the death-of-a-partition occurred, this machine was running another distro that has recently been through several name changes. Diva |
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| 03:14.18 | s0cks | sup debian people. |
| 03:14.22 | tbx | abrotman: welson_ has suggested "usbtools" to manage / not mangle disconnection of a usb drive. |
| 03:14.24 | Flimqy | Grrr... how come ALSA is so hard to get working? |
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| 03:14.34 | xsdg | abrotman: I'm thinking of building up a single-speed (or possibly fixie) for commuting; not really sure yet |
| 03:14.37 | abrotman | tbx: usbmgr i think it's called |
| 03:14.46 | welson_ | tbx, usbmount usbutils and hotplug,usbview are interesting noteworthies.. |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | xsdg: i find my mt bike has *really* crappy gearing for road riding |
| 03:15.02 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah, same here |
| 03:15.04 | abrotman | xsdg: it's a .. trek .. 4300 .. |
| 03:15.06 | welson_ | tbx, I said to look into usb packages |
| 03:15.06 | abrotman | i think |
| 03:15.08 | s0cks | dpkg messages an incomplete message. :-\ |
| 03:15.22 | welson_ | tbx, there's usbmount for the sake of usb drives.. |
| 03:15.29 | abrotman | xsdg: not $$$$$ .. but really .. i sohuld at least be able to use the pedals slightly doing downhill :) |
| 03:15.41 | xsdg | abrotman: dunno the Trek models; I've got a K2 mountain bike and a Fuji road bike |
| 03:16.05 | WillR | anybody help with a wireless network config? never done one.... ? whats the differences wirless card isnt labelled as wlan0 or wlan 1.... any ideas? |
| 03:16.10 | rob_lt | Does anyone here using any antivirus software on their debian machines? Not to check mail for windows viruses, but to check a linux machine for linux viruses. I used chkrootkit every now and then. |
| 03:16.10 | abrotman | xsdg: i spend 99% of my time in the lowest 8 gears .. rarely use the other 16 |
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| 03:16.26 | tbx | welson_: aptitude install usbmount usbmgr usbutils :: conflict with already installed hotplug. |
| 03:16.41 | welson_ | tbx, dpkg -L <package>|grep bin -- shows what bins you can manpage up about.. |
| 03:16.51 | abrotman | xsdg: those are much better models i'm sure .. it's a decent bike .. but i wasn't sure how much i would ride .. last bike was a schwinn .. when scwhwinn was good :) |
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| 03:17.17 | abrotman | xsdg: but the bike was basically indestructible .. i gave it away because a gear cable wore through |
| 03:17.19 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah, I did the same thing when I was using my K2 for commuting (of course, that's mainly because my front der stopped working, and so I couldn't get out of the big ring :o) |
| 03:17.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:17.50 | welson_ | tbx, one of those probably usbmgr is conflicting with it-- you can compare the two see which one you like more.. |
| 03:17.50 | abrotman | ah .. when schwinn was good .. i was so young then |
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| 03:18.18 | xsdg | abrotman: same here (of course, I may not have been born yet :o) |
| 03:18.30 | abrotman | xsdg: you're probably older than me .. i'm not yet 30 |
| 03:18.36 | welson_ | tbx, not sure which is better, ask usb geniouses.. |
| 03:18.41 | tbx | welson_: okay. honestly, I will worry about that later... since I have put the ext.enc away for a while. dd is still cruising along. |
| 03:18.58 | abrotman | xsdg: it was bought when mt biking was still a new-ish sport |
| 03:19.00 | welson_ | tbx, dd will take forver, did you make a bs option? |
| 03:19.08 | welson_ | tbx, (bs) bytesize |
| 03:19.16 | xsdg | abrotman: not really... I'm not quite 20 :o) |
| 03:19.34 | abrotman | xsdg: oh .. ok .. you would have been like .. 5 when i got that bike :) |
| 03:19.35 | abrotman | maybe 3 |
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| 03:19.45 | chealer | what's BYHAND (as seens on http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html)? |
| 03:19.54 | tbx | welson_: I did not. Will it be problematic to CTRL-C it? Understand I am a tad jumpy. I saw your bs=2M suggesiton earlier, but didn't realize this would take so terrifically long. |
| 03:20.06 | welson_ | tbx, what was the bytes size? |
| 03:20.23 | welson_ | tbx, I never suggested anything about dd |
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| 03:20.52 | abrotman | xsdg: but like i said .. basically indestructible .. i used to just toss it in streams .. throw it down hills etc .. never failed me until that cable wore through |
| 03:21.03 | tbx | welson_: sorry, that was pattm. He suggested "bs=2M" |
| 03:21.09 | welson_ | tbx, you can also use cat with '>' to make the cmd easier without worrying on setting a readsize-- cat does this nicely (eg: cat /dev/hd >~/myfile.img) |
| 03:21.09 | xsdg | abrotman: heh |
| 03:21.27 | xsdg | abrotman: probably would have been pretty easily repairable/replaceable |
| 03:21.37 | abrotman | xsdg: kind of sad actually .. i should have just gotten the cable fixed ... probably $30 |
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| 03:22.22 | tbx | welson_: having not used a bs, will this frack my backup, or is it just a matter of timewasting? |
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| 03:22.50 | xsdg | tbx: more time, mainly |
| 03:23.06 | its_me | i am trying to install ipw2100, I have apt-get install ipw2100-source and ipw2100-firmware, but I am not sure what to do now |
| 03:23.12 | welson_ | tbx, what's the error of fdisk -l /dev/hdd ? |
| 03:23.32 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 03:23.32 | dpkg | i guess ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
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| 03:23.41 | abrotman | its_me: use m-a |
| 03:24.17 | tbx | welson_: is it safe to do that in the middle of my still-running dd? |
| 03:25.09 | tbx | welson_: wait, I forgot I saved a copy of it... hold on a sec, I'll paste it. |
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| 03:25.16 | xsdg | abrotman: eyeballs? or something else? |
| 03:25.17 | welson_ | tbx, well you can suspend but you can also try fdisk -l -- which should be quick (it shouldn't read more than a few bytres).. |
| 03:25.26 | abrotman | xsdg: shock ... |
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| 03:25.29 | welson_ | tbx, pastebin it.. |
| 03:25.33 | saboteur | how did you get shocked? |
| 03:25.38 | abrotman | xsdg: apparently extra electriciy in the air |
| 03:25.48 | saboteur | hmm |
| 03:25.50 | xsdg | abrotman: wow |
| 03:26.04 | welson_ | is there a pastebin for this channel? |
| 03:26.15 | abrotman | xsdg: you can hear the air crack .. and it builds up on the bike or my clothes .. and sometimes get shocked when i move my hand from the grip to frame |
| 03:26.17 | daedalus_ | saboteur: emi inducing a voltage across the frame amybe? |
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| 03:26.30 | ke6isf | !pastebin |
| 03:26.30 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 03:26.35 | welson_ | ah |
| 03:26.38 | xsdg | abrotman: wow |
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| 03:26.40 | abrotman | xsdg: i go riding near the nuke plant about a mile from my place :) |
| 03:26.47 | xsdg | abrotman: :o) |
| 03:26.48 | WiFiTux | debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso is Sarge small, right? |
| 03:26.51 | saboteur | heh |
| 03:26.52 | welson_ | .ca, my country! |
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| 03:27.04 | abrotman | WiFiTux: that's BC .. probably netinst is better |
| 03:27.12 | xsdg | abrotman: never been riding near high-tension lines |
| 03:27.14 | abrotman | xsdg: i deal with it because the traffic is low |
| 03:27.19 | abrotman | xsdg: it's .. interesting |
| 03:27.28 | WiFiTux | abrotman: I just want to install everything over the network, this one at least has a kernel, right? |
| 03:27.36 | paster | "tbx" at 64.139.238.208 pasted "dev-hdd1+jfs_fscklog" (38 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/408 |
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| 03:27.44 | abrotman | xsdg: the air just crackles everywhere ... and then wham .. shock in your thumb :) |
| 03:27.56 | abrotman | WiFiTux: it should |
| 03:28.21 | abrotman | xsdg: have you ever driven near them ? |
| 03:28.25 | ke6isf | abrotman: Sounds...erm, pleasant. |
| 03:28.36 | WiFiTux | abrotman: I mean, is a T42, no special stuff. Now I was wondering how to part a 26gb drive for a laptop, what could be the smartest way.. |
| 03:28.36 | abrotman | could be worse . i could bike naked i suppose ... |
| 03:28.41 | xsdg | abrotman: not too close, that I could recall |
| 03:28.45 | saboteur | abrot: does it make you forget your kids names? :) |
| 03:28.49 | paster | "tbx" at 64.139.238.208 pasted "fdisk -l /dev/hdd" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/409 |
| 03:28.56 | abrotman | xsdg: if you get near some .. stop the car . roll down the window .. listen .. it's interesting |
| 03:29.08 | abrotman | xsdg: and i mean .. REALLY near some |
| 03:29.24 | abrotman | WiFiTux: probably just / /home and swap |
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| 03:29.30 | xsdg | abrotman: cool |
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| 03:29.34 | abrotman | WiFiTux: it's up to you |
| 03:29.36 | tbx | welson_: interesting... no actual error reported by fdisk -l ?? |
| 03:29.47 | tonyzhang | hi,all |
| 03:29.48 | abrotman | xsdg: cool nothing .. sounds like a van de graaf |
| 03:29.59 | WiFiTux | abrotman: hhmm I was wondetring if I could /var 400 mb? needs more? |
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| 03:30.06 | zu22 | xsdg: ever play netrek by chance? |
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| 03:30.09 | abrotman | WiFiTux: depends on the use of the laptop |
| 03:30.15 | welson_ | tbx, um.. was it the same machine when you formatted the drive? |
| 03:30.22 | abrotman | holy shit .. it's 1130 |
| 03:30.30 | WiFiTux | abrotman: heavy use, but is a laptop, I mean, how much would you use? |
| 03:30.34 | tbx | welson_: no. It has been re-installed since. |
| 03:30.35 | saboteur | 1:30pm here :) |
| 03:30.40 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i meant .. DB .. www . etc ? |
| 03:30.48 | WiFiTux | abrotman: client |
| 03:30.50 | abrotman | saboteur: i've been at a pub since 5pm :) |
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| 03:30.57 | welson_ | tbx, try jfs fsck tools against the drive (it's not supposed to be mounted when doing this) |
| 03:30.58 | its_me | pump is part of what package? |
| 03:31.00 | abrotman | WiFiTux: might work ok |
| 03:31.08 | daedalus_ | its_me: pump |
| 03:31.09 | saboteur | its friday here, so i'll be heading there soonish :) |
| 03:31.11 | tbx | welson_: it's been a bad couple of weeks. I lost the partition, and then mandrake puked on me a few days later. |
| 03:31.19 | WiFiTux | abrotman: your might makes me think that you think is too few |
| 03:31.22 | abrotman | WiFiTux: my laptop's /var/ is 120MB |
| 03:31.24 | xsdg | saboteur: japan? |
| 03:31.26 | welson_ | tbx, you still didn't answer if fdisk -l works-- /dev/hdd1 lists? |
| 03:31.30 | xsdg | saboteur: (or australia?) |
| 03:31.34 | WiFiTux | abrotman: ok |
| 03:31.35 | abrotman | WiFiTux: no DBs or www just .. logs/cache |
| 03:31.36 | tbx | welson_: I pasted that. |
| 03:31.41 | saboteur | xsdg: close timezone-wise, australia |
| 03:32.00 | tbx | welson_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/409 |
| 03:32.11 | tbx | welson_: thank you, by the way, for your help. I mean it. |
| 03:32.21 | WiFiTux | abrotman: is just laptop, no services in it |
| 03:32.50 | abrotman | WiFiTux: 400MB shuld be fine .. but really .. unless you have a specific purpose .. i'd go just / and /home and swap |
| 03:32.52 | welson_ | tbx, this is from the cmd fdisk ? |
| 03:33.11 | tbx | welson_: "fdisk -l /dev/hdd" |
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| 03:33.17 | maher | tbx: did you make a disk image? |
| 03:33.20 | WiFiTux | abrotman: remember the thing kicked off to 800mb syslog.log and kernel.log did it like 5 times |
| 03:33.34 | abrotman | WiFiTux: logrotate.d .. use it .. love it |
| 03:33.43 | WiFiTux | abrotman: I did! |
| 03:33.53 | abrotman | WiFiTux: then something is wrong with the system |
| 03:34.06 | tbx | maher: it's still running. It's been about an hour now... |
| 03:34.09 | welson_ | tbx, if what you're telling is correct, I'm assuming CHS is not playing a grave role in the problem-- try testdisk (apt-get install testdisk) |
| 03:34.14 | WiFiTux | abrotman: true |
| 03:34.23 | its_me | thanks for the help, wireless is now working ! |
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| 03:34.41 | tbx | welson_: what's CHS? |
| 03:34.46 | PinkFreud | uhgh. |
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| 03:34.51 | maher | tbx: look in the disc image for data that ought to be there - use a hex editor if nec, but grep or strings should suffice |
| 03:34.54 | PinkFreud | I have a bit of an issue here. |
| 03:34.55 | welson_ | !CHS |
| 03:35.00 | WiFiTux | tbx: Customer handling Support? |
| 03:35.08 | abrotman | no .. it's a drive measurement |
| 03:35.12 | WiFiTux | oh |
| 03:35.15 | maher | tbx: Cylinders Heads Sectors |
| 03:35.19 | tbx | WiFiTux: Ah. A variant of the EIBKAC. |
| 03:35.25 | WiFiTux | tbx: ? |
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| 03:35.40 | tbx | WiFiTux: Error Is Between Keyboard And Chair. |
| 03:35.46 | welson_ | tbx, if you're drive has been using incorrect CHS / or rather the kernel has been using improper CHS and you've been swapping this from other machines, you may want to read up about it.. |
| 03:35.53 | xsdg | abrotman: see ya |
| 03:36.00 | welson_ | tbx, but I have no clue about it once in usb entourages.. |
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| 03:36.16 | welson_ | brb |
| 03:36.19 | WiFiTux | tbx: oh |
| 03:36.52 | PinkFreud | I have a box built with debian. It's worked well for some time. Recently, I moved it's motherboard + drives to another case. a lilo error came up, so I booted from a debian cd, mounted the hd, and rewrote the mbr. it then started complaining about dev/console not being found. |
| 03:37.09 | tbx | welson_: Let's say that the data is still there, and this is strictly a partition error issue. Let's say this is the case because if it isn't, I shall be very, very, very put out.... |
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| 03:37.31 | welson_ | tbx, testdisk is available? |
| 03:37.59 | PinkFreud | unfortunately, right around then, the cd stopped booting, due to an issue that appears to be bad caps (for the onboard ide - the hard disks are connected to an offboard ide card). i've since moved the disks to another motherboard, and they now live on the onboard controller. |
| 03:38.00 | maher | tbx: if you have another drive of exactly the same size use that to recreate the partition table, then copy it across to theimage |
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| 03:38.05 | tbx | welson_: reslly, though, this machine and the work machine into which the ext.enc was plugged are both essentially the same. At the time they even had the same distro. |
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| 03:38.13 | tbx | welson_: yes, testdisk has installed. |
| 03:38.39 | tbx | maher: hell, I'm still waiting for dd to finish. |
| 03:38.44 | PinkFreud | I've booted from cd, rebuilt the initrd with the correct root device, and modified lilo.conf and fstab to match the new disk layout. I've rewritten the mbr with lilo. |
| 03:38.55 | piero | atualizei de sarge para etch, mas não observei mudanças. a etch não seria igual a antiga sid? |
| 03:39.09 | PinkFreud | However, the dev/console: no such file error persists. |
| 03:39.12 | maher | !portugese |
| 03:39.13 | dpkg | Por favor, fale em ingles quando estiver no #Debian, assim todos poderão entender. Se você quiser usar um outro idioma, entre em #debian-rs. Para ser ajudado em portugues, use o canal #Debian-BR |
| 03:39.17 | tbx | piero: aquie fala ingles. |
| 03:39.28 | piero | tbx, oops! pensei estar em debian-br! |
| 03:39.48 | PinkFreud | Can someone please tell me how the hell the new initrd can not find /dev/hda1? |
| 03:40.05 | maher | PinkFreud: are you using a standard debian kernel? |
| 03:40.08 | PinkFreud | yes. |
| 03:40.14 | PinkFreud | 2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 03:40.23 | tbx | piero: nao problema! |
| 03:40.30 | maher | PinkFreud: does the kernel support the ide chipset of the motherboard |
| 03:40.42 | PinkFreud | it should. |
| 03:41.04 | PinkFreud | generic should work at worst. |
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| 03:42.06 | welson_ | tbx, before you try testdisk, try to repair partition with jfs tools |
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| 03:42.19 | Octalthorpe | How do I change the font resolution in X? |
| 03:42.21 | welson_ | tbx, I thought you aborted dd..? |
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| 03:42.40 | tbx | welson_: you mean jfs_fsck? That has given me "CANNOT CONTINUE". |
| 03:42.43 | welson_ | tbx, how much has been copied? |
| 03:43.09 | tbx | welson_: how to know? Neither is mounted. |
| 03:43.24 | welson_ | tbx, no, don't run any other tools now that I know its still copying-- it was safe with fdisk.. |
| 03:43.42 | welson_ | tbx, I already said you can't fsck a mounted partition |
| 03:43.57 | tbx | welson_: that's what I thought. |
| 03:43.58 | PinkFreud | also, weirdly - i get a lot of errors re: 'FATAL: Module xxx.o not found.' |
| 03:44.00 | PandaKun | hey guys |
| 03:44.02 | PandaKun | usr/bin/ld: warning: i386 architecture of input file `../common/obj/core.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output <-- any idea? |
| 03:44.10 | PinkFreud | when I mount the initrd image, though, the modules are there. |
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| 03:44.41 | tbx | welson_: so, what exactly do you mean by "repair partition with jfs tools". What jfs tools are there other than "jfs_debugfs jfs_fsck jfs_fscklog jfs_logdump jfs_mkfs jfs_tune" |
| 03:44.49 | welson_ | PinkFreud, initrd's path should be mentioned on the kernel bootline |
| 03:45.02 | rixth | Do you think 3 hours of VHS onto DVD would come out at okay quality?" |
| 03:45.20 | Octalthorpe | rixth : It'd come out at VHS quality... |
| 03:45.34 | PinkFreud | initrd's path should not have changed. |
| 03:45.38 | welson_ | tbx, use the 2nd-- but you manpage it first as you're still copying |
| 03:45.42 | rixth | Octalthorpe, what I mean is, you can' |
| 03:45.44 | PinkFreud | other than the devicename change - but that's been updated. |
| 03:45.50 | rixth | t put 3 hours of DVD quality onto a DVD |
| 03:46.08 | rixth | Would I be able to trasnfer 3 hours of VHS at VHS quality onto a DVD |
| 03:46.16 | tbx | welson_: yes, and jfs_fsck is the one that ends miseably saying it cannot continue. |
| 03:46.21 | welson_ | tbx, manpage is with the cmd $man <binname>..i'm sure you know this.. |
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| 03:46.28 | Octalthorpe | rixth: Probably, yes. |
| 03:46.35 | Octalthorpe | rixth: DVD quality is much higher than VHS quality. |
| 03:46.35 | rixth | Thanks |
| 03:46.48 | tbx | welson_: yes, I have been through jfs_fsck's manpage. |
| 03:47.03 | welson_ | tbx, why? is it finished it? |
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| 03:47.11 | welson_ | tbx, /it/yet!? |
| 03:47.37 | tbx | welson_: nope. Still going. gkrellm shows a steady 40M |
| 03:47.46 | PinkFreud | hmmm. |
| 03:47.46 | welson_ | tbx, type sync |
| 03:47.47 | Flimqy | Octalthorpe: DVD has the _capability_ to be higher than VHS |
| 03:47.56 | PinkFreud | any other ideas on dev/console not found? |
| 03:47.58 | Octalthorpe | Flimqy : C'est vrai. |
| 03:48.00 | PandaKun | =o. |
| 03:48.02 | tbx | welson_: rootly? |
| 03:48.06 | PandaKun | no one? |
| 03:48.07 | welson_ | tbx, y. |
| 03:48.16 | ^arky^ | Does anyone know how to enable PDF 1.6 Support for xpdf ... I want to get rid of this warning when I xpdf to read any pdf 1.6 version documents Error: PDF version 1.6 -- xpdf supports version 1.5 (continuing anyway) |
| 03:48.27 | tbx | welson_: returns blank. now what. What did that do? |
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| 03:48.51 | PinkFreud | argh. this used to be a 30 second job. I'm working on two days here. |
| 03:49.01 | welson_ | tbx, it flushes buffers -- it may have increased 40+ up.. what's the size? |
| 03:49.08 | PinkFreud | rewriting the mbr should never be this difficult. |
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| 03:49.29 | welson_ | PinkFreud, lilo is bad, use grub |
| 03:49.40 | chacho | why does my sound juicer go so slow |
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| 03:49.45 | chacho | is there a way i can speed it up? |
| 03:49.50 | tbx | welson_: no, gkrellm disk activity krell still average 40M [37M - 42M] |
| 03:49.51 | PinkFreud | a. I'm not a fan of grub. b. how would it help in this case? |
| 03:49.53 | welson_ | PinkFreud, make use of the find cmd, from a grub boot |
| 03:49.53 | chacho | i swear it went 5x faster on FC3 |
| 03:49.58 | dondelelcaro | ^arky^: it's just a warning; file a bug against xpdf asking for it to be fixed. |
| 03:50.10 | PinkFreud | heh. |
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| 03:50.22 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: it's actually not that difficult to do so; you just have to know all the options of lilo. |
| 03:50.30 | welson_ | tbx, ok |
| 03:50.34 | dondelelcaro | (alternatively, chrooting makes this relatively simple) |
| 03:50.45 | welson_ | tbx, but how much has been done? |
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| 03:50.51 | ^arky^ | ok thx dondelelcaro |
| 03:50.55 | tbx | welson_: I don't know how to tell. |
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| 03:51.07 | welson_ | tbx, damm, the size of the file image? |
| 03:51.10 | maher | tbx: man dd - look for the bit about the signal |
| 03:51.33 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: I'm fairly familiar with lilo. |
| 03:51.49 | tbx | welson_: I'm not making an image. the command is/was dd if=/dev/hdd of=/dev/hdc |
| 03:51.52 | PinkFreud | I've used it since 1996 :) |
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| 03:52.33 | nvz | PinkFreud: well start using chroot now, and problem solved |
| 03:52.38 | nvz | ffs 8P |
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| 03:52.42 | welson_ | tbx, oh, I thought you were making an image? doing this means you might even have further problems if you don't work if off like an image.. |
| 03:52.48 | PinkFreud | nvz: I'm using chroot from the debian cd. |
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| 03:53.00 | tbx | welson_: okay, I'm CTRL-C'ing. |
| 03:53.04 | PinkFreud | I have hda1 mounted, and I'm chrooted inside it. |
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| 03:53.19 | PinkFreud | I've rebuilt the initrd and told it to use hda1. |
| 03:53.32 | PinkFreud | now, I just need to convince it that hda1 actually exists... |
| 03:53.33 | welson_ | tbx, what's on /dev/hdc anyways-- is it the same drive model? |
| 03:53.42 | tbx | welson_: twins. |
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| 03:54.29 | tbx | welson_: okay, it's quit. now I need to mkfs /dev/hdc and restart dd. So, you suggest ext3? |
| 03:54.38 | welson_ | tbx, but that still doesn't guarantee that it is the same-- unless you have done it before-- I never said you should abort it.. but you did anyways.. |
| 03:55.07 | StijnT | is it me, or haven't there been any updates to sid for almost a week? |
| 03:55.26 | tbx | welson_: what's done is done. I got the idea from what you said that I was wasting my time. |
| 03:55.50 | welson_ | tbx, always *test* -- if its something this esoteric and exclusive that anyone barely does-- it really helps to do a test-- doing that dd copy may be of some chances.. |
| 03:56.02 | tbx | welson_: especially since when I aborted it, it said that it had only transferred 60GB. In an hour and a half. |
| 03:56.20 | welson_ | tbx, try fsck against it |
| 03:56.31 | benjamindees | mwilson, funny now that FF has that ebay search, everyone I know has started buying way more crap... |
| 03:56.38 | mwilson | ff? |
| 03:56.44 | StijnT | firefox |
| 03:56.47 | mwilson | Oh. |
| 03:56.51 | mwilson | I wouldn't know. |
| 03:56.52 | benjamindees | dpkg, ff? |
| 03:56.52 | dpkg | ff is, like, even in dutch |
| 03:56.59 | maher | tbx: look in the 60M image and see if any of your data is there |
| 03:57.00 | tbx | welson_: "fdisk -l /dev/hdd" gives the same result as before. |
| 03:57.05 | welson_ | tbx, mind trying something? |
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| 03:57.35 | tbx | welson_: I am game for anything that isn't a serious risk to my data. |
| 03:58.05 | mwilson | Now I'm buying test equipment. Not that I didn't need it, it's just that I need to stop DOING it. |
| 03:58.22 | welson_ | tbx, what is the system? mobo, debian ver# |
| 03:58.48 | welson_ | tbx, moreover, kernel? is your pc intel/amd? |
| 03:59.18 | tbx | welson_: asus a7n266-vm, debian sarge stable 3.1r0a, amd athlon 2100xp+ 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 03:59.25 | Octalthorpe | Heh. |
| 03:59.29 | Octalthorpe | Mav. |
| 03:59.34 | toresbe | It didn't come easy! |
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| 04:00.01 | maher | tbx: is any of your data in the 60G you put on the other drive? |
| 04:00.53 | sameer | hi people |
| 04:00.57 | welson_ | tbx, ok |
| 04:01.00 | tbx | maher: by this you mean, " cat /dev/hdc | grep <something i might recognize>" ? |
| 04:01.01 | PinkFreud | uhgh. anyone? |
| 04:01.40 | sameer | can anyone help me install sarge on the acer travlemate 4000 |
| 04:01.40 | maher | tbx: yeah - or strings /dev/hdc and see what shows up |
| 04:01.40 | PinkFreud | I know it's possible to boot this box - it's been done before. |
| 04:01.40 | welson_ | tbx, try lsof|grep hdd |
| 04:01.40 | sameer | it crashes during the first boot " kernel segmentation fault" |
| 04:01.45 | PinkFreud | seriously - this problem has me going around in circles. |
| 04:01.53 | litage | i installed debian 3.1 on 2 machines from the same CDs. in one machine, i can do ":set nowrap" in vi. on the other, it says 'nowrap' doesn't exist. what gives? |
| 04:01.57 | maher | sameer: did you use the right kernel? |
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| 04:03.47 | tbx | maher: strings: Warning: '/dev/hdc' is not an ordinary file |
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| 04:03.48 | sameer | maher : i tried 2.6 |
| 04:03.48 | tbx | welson_: nothing at all. empty return. |
| 04:03.48 | maher | sameer: right architecture? |
| 04:03.48 | welson_ | tbx, that's fine.. |
| 04:03.48 | sameer | maher : 2.6.8- 386 |
| 04:03.48 | welson_ | tbx, and mount -s |grep hdd, shows nothing as well? |
| 04:03.48 | tbx | welson_: correct. |
| 04:03.48 | rxc | hi all, i got a new IDE disk today, i had three SCSI in my box.. i installed the disk.. partitioned it, mkfs.ext3, however, DMA is not enabled... can anyone give me a hint how to do that (at boottime)? |
| 04:03.48 | maher | sameer: that should worj |
| 04:03.49 | StijnT | rxc: with hdparm and /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 04:03.49 | welson_ | tbx, you tried what line with the jfs_fsck tool? |
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| 04:04.11 | tbx | welson_: "jfs_fsck -n /dev/hdd" to test |
| 04:04.15 | maher | tbx: well strings /dev/hda works for me here |
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| 04:04.28 | welson_ | tbx, modinfo jfs |
| 04:04.33 | sameer | maher : nope it shows a kernel null point dereference |
| 04:04.47 | sameer | maher : should i go for a 2.6.8-686 kernel? |
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| 04:04.55 | tbx | welson_: you want I should paster it? several lines. |
| 04:04.58 | maher | sameer: yeah - try a different kernel |
| 04:05.08 | welson_ | tbx, is it the same kernel# reported? |
| 04:05.08 | sameer | maher : the machine has a centrino processor |
| 04:05.19 | tbx | welson_: yes. |
| 04:05.25 | maher | sameer: 386 should work on that - or 686 afaik |
| 04:05.27 | Aradorn | im reading this tutorial about adding services for startup and it is saying use the command chkconfig --add but in the termial it says that this isnt a command |
| 04:05.28 | rxc | StijnT: i also have another box with two old IDE disks which i installed debian to... i didn't even install hdparm and DMA seems to be working... any insight? |
| 04:05.33 | Aradorn | anyone know what im supposed to use? |
| 04:05.43 | maher | Aradorn: use update-rc.d |
| 04:05.46 | StijnT | rxc: could be the kernel option 'enable DMA by default' |
| 04:05.48 | Aradorn | thanks |
| 04:05.59 | welson_ | tbx, did you check your fstab file for any extended options? |
| 04:06.19 | maher | tbx: as a last resort grab a hex editor and look at the disk with that |
| 04:06.51 | tbx | welson_: extended options for hdd? Recall that hdd never worked in this installation. |
| 04:07.03 | tbx | welson_: ... so there is no fstab entry for hdd at all. |
| 04:07.07 | welson_ | tbx, ok |
| 04:07.19 | rxc | StijnT: very likely... that means i have to recompile the kernel? |
| 04:07.31 | welson_ | tbx, no extended options for the filesystem module for the mountpoint.. |
| 04:07.37 | tbx | welson_: however, for kicks at one point I did try and do a mount -t jfs /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1, and it just failed. |
| 04:07.43 | welson_ | tbx, are you using selinux? |
| 04:07.56 | tbx | welson_: I don't even know what that is. |
| 04:08.10 | StijnT | rxc: not necessary |
| 04:08.23 | welson_ | tbx, dpkg --status selinux |
| 04:08.39 | tbx | welson_: Package `selinux' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 04:08.52 | StijnT | rxc: try enabling dma with hdparm first |
| 04:08.59 | welson_ | tbx, wait a minute.. 'this' installation? what installation are you not telling me about? |
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| 04:09.33 | StijnT | rxc: if that doesn't work then maybe you have to recompile the kernel yes |
| 04:09.47 | PinkFreud | ok, I think this has to be a bug. |
| 04:10.05 | PinkFreud | I'm still not sure *where* it'd be - but this isn't normal behavior. |
| 04:10.18 | rxc | StijnT: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 04:10.18 | rxc | /dev/hda: |
| 04:10.18 | rxc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.18 | rxc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.18 | rxc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:10.26 | tbx | welson_: I *did* tell you that two weeks ago, the partition died. then a few days later, mandrake puked on my in a power outage caused by the fracking power company not telling me they were coming by to switch my meter up to a wireless one. The blown drive had been pulled already at that time. I then rebuilt the system with debian, and later placed the blown drive back in to see if I could recover my data. And here we are today. |
| 04:10.29 | PinkFreud | I've tried having mkinitrd load sis5513 |
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| 04:10.47 | PinkFreud | surprise, surprise. same error. |
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| 04:11.07 | rxc | oops.. how did i flood the server =P |
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| 04:11.29 | maher | tbx: if you can't see any of your data with grep, strings, or hexedit, theres probably not much point carrying on, unless you happen to know that jfs stores the files in some weird format |
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| 04:11.42 | welson_ | tbx, in context 'pull' means you're taking it from the system unit (the computer box) ? |
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| 04:12.01 | rxc | StijnT: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda /dev/hda: setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted using_dma = 0 (off) |
| 04:12.10 | calljair | hello guys, I am sorry but I am trying to get an answer from the samba room but looks like is dead hahaha. |
| 04:12.13 | rxc | StijnT: hdparm doesn't seem to work |
| 04:12.23 | StijnT | rxc: well, what kernel are you using ? |
| 04:12.32 | welson_ | tbx, your data may still be very coherent.. |
| 04:12.42 | calljair | I wonder how could I check if my samba in debian is using tdbsam as a password backend database? |
| 04:12.43 | welson_ | tbx, i doubt you lost much.. |
| 04:12.46 | tbx | welson_: at the time of the partition blowout, the drive was in the ext.enc. I just set it aside. Then the system died, was rebuild. Then I put the drive physically into the position it is now in, e.g. hdd |
| 04:13.01 | welson_ | !ext.enc |
| 04:13.10 | welson_ | tbx, wtf is ext.enc? |
| 04:13.15 | tbx | welson_: external enclosure |
| 04:13.17 | rxc | StijnT: 2.6.11, etch |
| 04:13.35 | StijnT | rxc: check it's config file for IDEDMA |
| 04:13.35 | calljair | etch is using kernel 2.6.11 sounds nice |
| 04:13.43 | welson_ | tbx, geezz stick with proper terms-- you mean the usb external thingy.. |
| 04:13.49 | calljair | although I use sarge scince was testing |
| 04:13.57 | welson_ | tbx, right? |
| 04:13.58 | PandaKun | yo guys |
| 04:14.00 | PandaKun | any idea how to fix /usr/bin/ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `../common/obj/graph.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
| 04:14.18 | tbx | welson_: yes, exactly that - external usb mighty enclos-o-matic jibba jabba gorilla. |
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| 04:14.52 | calljair | PandaKun: I think that the 86-64 works just on 64bit? |
| 04:14.57 | tbx | welson_: made of aluminumunmunmunmmn, even. |
| 04:15.15 | rxc | StijnT: where is it? /etc/idedma? doesn't seem to exist |
| 04:15.37 | StijnT | rxc: lol, cat /boot/config-2.6.11-whatever-ur-version is | grep "IDEDMA" |
| 04:15.45 | welson_ | tbx, this rebuild took what into effect-- just a debian install on top of mandrake? |
| 04:15.50 | daedalus_ | PandaKun: are you running on an amd64 platform, by chance? |
| 04:15.56 | kingsley | Is it possible to change the opacity of text in kword? |
| 04:16.06 | tbx | welson_: not on top of. Mandrake-b-gone. I nuked and paved it. |
| 04:16.09 | welson_ | tbx, i assume mandrake had a similar kernel ver correct? |
| 04:16.23 | tbx | welson_: approximately, yes. |
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| 04:16.58 | tbx | welson_: 2.6.x - I think it was 2.6.8-11 or something like that. |
| 04:17.00 | rxc | StijnT: OHHH! that... let me check..thanks |
| 04:17.07 | welson_ | tbx, ok |
| 04:17.16 | StijnT | rxc: maybe it is compiled as a module, and you have to modprobe it? |
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| 04:17.40 | welson_ | tbx, in this case download the ultimate boot cd as I have suggested and run diagnostics against your mobo's hardware-- memory and drive .. |
| 04:17.41 | PinkFreud | ok, one last try - any other ideas about 'cannot open dev/console: No such file'? |
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| 04:17.51 | welson_ | tbx, OR |
| 04:17.54 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 04:18.05 | welson_ | tbx, try the usb drive on another machine.. |
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| 04:18.22 | maher | tbx: when i run strings on a jfs partition i get things like JFS1 system.posix_acl_access <-- do you? |
| 04:18.30 | rxc | StijnT: i got the kernel from precompiled kernel-image... i have ide-cd, ide-disk, ide-generic, in my /etc/modules |
| 04:18.47 | tbx | welson_: other usb drives mount fine. I have a 9GB laptop drive and a camera which both work fine. |
| 04:18.50 | PinkFreud | ahh, screw it. I guess I'm on my own here. |
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| 04:19.20 | tbx | maher: I couldn't tell you. I have only one jfs partition plugged into the machine right now, and it's the blown one. |
| 04:19.21 | StijnT | rxc: try modprobe ide-dma |
| 04:19.36 | welson_ | tbx, tried another usb port? |
| 04:19.37 | StijnT | rxc: don't know for sure if it's called ide-dma |
| 04:19.44 | tbx | maher: I have one other jfs-formatted drive, but all are sitting this round out right now. |
| 04:19.48 | maher | tbx: what about the 60G of stuff you dd'ed |
| 04:19.49 | tbx | welson_: yes. |
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| 04:20.08 | tbx | maher: dunno, it's not accessible. That operation was not completed. |
| 04:20.18 | maher | tbx: you can run strings on it anyway |
| 04:20.39 | Aradorn | there any open source projects like cpanel that i can apt-get?\ |
| 04:20.43 | rxc | StijnT: i'll take a look |
| 04:20.43 | tbx | maher: "strings: Warning: '/dev/hdc' is not an ordinary file" |
| 04:20.54 | calljair | anyone here with some experience in samba and debian? |
| 04:21.05 | samuel | is it just me or does someone else find it peculiar that all the "independent" comissioned reports on linux vs microsoft are payed for by mycrosoft? |
| 04:21.06 | welson_ | tbx, what's the mknod of /dev/hdd ? (ls -la /dev/hdd) |
| 04:21.43 | tbx | welson_: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 64 2005-07-28 12:28 /dev/hdd |
| 04:21.56 | maher | tbx: weird - i don't that error |
| 04:22.25 | welson_ | tbx, its just possible that the you're not using the right device node-- |
| 04:22.30 | maher | tbx: dd the first 20M of it to a file and run strings on that if strings won't run on /dev/hdc |
| 04:22.36 | tbx | welson_: I ran "testdisk /list", and it sees hdd "Disk /dev/hdd - CHS 36481 255 63 - 286165 MB..." and then a bunch of numbers. |
| 04:22.39 | welson_ | tbx, have you tried modconf? |
| 04:23.08 | welson_ | tbx, ok. |
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| 04:23.19 | tbx | welson_: no command modconf |
| 04:23.20 | welson_ | tbx, you may want to test the firmware |
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| 04:23.57 | DukGalNamu | is there a list of prism based cards anywhere on the net? |
| 04:23.58 | tbx | welson_: okay, I will run UBCD ... later. First priority for me is to try and recover my data... |
| 04:24.02 | welson_ | tbx, I had a very strange problem in which I was never able to boot from a mbr of a physical no matter what I f** did (and this was after a powerfailure).. the controller logic may be corrupted.. |
| 04:24.15 | maher | DukGalNamu: google linux wlan |
| 04:24.18 | DukGalNamu | been googling for a couple of hours |
| 04:24.23 | welson_ | tbx, try to find a way to have a tool to diagnose the controller logic (or firmware) of the hdd |
| 04:24.44 | maher | DukGalNamu: google linux wlan <-- first link has a hw list |
| 04:24.54 | DukGalNamu | ohh |
| 04:24.56 | tbx | welson_: the drive in question was not plugged in at the time of the power failure. |
| 04:24.58 | DukGalNamu | maher: thanks |
| 04:24.59 | rxc | StijnT: umm.. there is no ide-dma... i checked in /lib/modules/2.6.11*/kernel/driver/ide/ |
| 04:25.06 | maher | DukGalNamu: but its not prism specific - has all chipsets |
| 04:25.18 | maher | DukGalNamu: and its a bit out of date |
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| 04:25.57 | welson_ | tbx, maybe the usb logic is screwy on the mobo.. there must be usb diagnostic tools out there.. |
| 04:26.11 | tbx | welson_: so, meanwhile, I feel I should try and take an image of the drive again.... |
| 04:26.20 | welson_ | tbx, why? |
| 04:26.34 | tbx | welson_: maybe so, but as I said, the external enclosure is put away for now. |
| 04:26.47 | Goldfisch | DukGalNamu: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz <--- that is AbsoluteValue, the guys that write the linux-wlan drivers. |
| 04:26.47 | maher | tbx: just do cat /dev/hdc > image, count to 100 and then do strings on the result |
| 04:26.52 | welson_ | tbx, so where's it now as? |
| 04:27.50 | DukGalNamu | Goldfisch: perfect i am set! |
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| 04:28.08 | welson_ | tbx, have you tried knoppix and just to have it as the only drive in the system? |
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| 04:28.36 | tbx | welson_: I am starting to think we are going in circles. |
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| 04:28.43 | welson_ | tbx, no |
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| 04:29.18 | welson_ | tbx, if I were you, I'd run diagnostics tests on the hardware |
| 04:29.18 | brknsoul | well finally! |
| 04:29.34 | brknsoul | stupid velocity driver |
| 04:29.39 | tbx | welson_: noted. |
| 04:29.42 | welson_ | tbx, but since you're so reluctant I guess there's not much I can do ;-) |
| 04:30.09 | Goldfisch | Anybody have the news on unstable updates? There has been nothing to upgrade for days. I don't see anything called out on debian.org or their news page. |
| 04:30.25 | tbx | welson_: not reluctant, I just don't have any direction to take, and as I have said, my priority is to rescue my data. I'll worry about replacing hardware later. |
| 04:30.52 | welson_ | tbx, just because it appears to work to some level, doesn't mean its working complete |
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| 04:31.31 | welson_ | tbx, I already gave you a hint gee, here 's the link (use google:!)http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 04:31.42 | welson_ | tbx, I already mentioned about it at least 2 times.. |
| 04:32.15 | StijnT | rxc: also nothing similiar? |
| 04:32.28 | brknsoul | what's a nice standard set of fonts i could install? |
| 04:32.39 | tbx | welson_: yeah, and I have it downloading. |
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| 04:32.55 | welson_ | tbx, not just the usb external enc but the system as well |
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| 04:33.20 | rxc | StijnT: it has four files starts with ide.. except i already have them all in /etc/modules =P |
| 04:33.25 | bob2 | brknsoul: bitstream vera is nice |
| 04:33.47 | StijnT | ok then, what has the kernel config told you about IDEDMA ? |
| 04:34.00 | welson_ | tbx, so let me get it straight, you've just like 2 minutes ago yanked it out of the usb and it's now in the system box? |
| 04:34.15 | welson_ | tbx, or was it in the system box ever since? |
| 04:34.21 | tbx | welson_: dude. no. |
| 04:34.31 | brknsoul | bob2: i'm thinking more along the lines of a monospace font (a bit like window's terminal, but not like courier) |
| 04:34.38 | tbx | welson_: the drive has been sitting in the system box for over a week now. not in use, just sitting there. |
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| 04:35.10 | bob2 | brknsoul: vera has a monospone one |
| 04:35.14 | rxc | StijnT: CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y |
| 04:35.20 | bob2 | brknsoul: I quite like terminus for coding, but it's too big for terminals, unfortunately |
| 04:35.21 | welson_ | tbx, so what am I missing ? if the usb enclosure was not affected by the power outage then why should the drive be a concern? |
| 04:35.22 | rxc | StijnT: doesn't tell me much |
| 04:35.31 | rxc | StijnT: got a new kernel.. i'll try that first |
| 04:36.02 | PandaKun | =o |
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| 04:36.13 | PandaKun | yo |
| 04:36.17 | PandaKun | calljair |
| 04:36.19 | christor | Hello |
| 04:36.23 | brknsoul | any way of forcing apt-get to grab files from the net, rather than from cdrom? |
| 04:36.32 | PandaKun | any idea how to fix /usr/bin/ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `../common/obj/graph.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
| 04:36.37 | bob2 | brknsoul: of course, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:36.39 | PandaKun | any idea about this error? |
| 04:36.42 | brknsoul | without changing sources.list ;-) |
| 04:36.43 | welson_ | tbx, you probably did the biggest mistake-- hahahaha |
| 04:36.53 | bob2 | sources.list is how you configure apt's sources |
| 04:36.59 | bob2 | PandaKun: how did you manage that? |
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| 04:37.02 | tbx | welson_: I never said that the drive, physically, was of concern. All I have ever said is that the partition in blown. |
| 04:37.03 | PandaKun | chroot. |
| 04:37.04 | brknsoul | i 'spose ;-) |
| 04:37.06 | christor | I have a question , today in logging me on my machine via ssh , I saw a message To work on this machine , dont be stupid..., is it due to an update or??...?? |
| 04:37.27 | welson_ | tbx, you may want to read up about it on the net-- it may have been the worse thing you can do to your data from usb-storage to ide - hahhahaha-- now you're telling me.. |
| 04:37.43 | welson_ | tbx, didn't I tell you to read up about CHS? |
| 04:37.46 | PandaKun | so.. |
| 04:37.49 | PandaKun | any ideas? |
| 04:37.55 | PandaKun | is there a way to install 32bit gcc? |
| 04:37.59 | PandaKun | i forgot what it is called |
| 04:38.04 | calljair | PandaKun: do you have a 64 or 32 bit computer or processor? |
| 04:38.11 | PandaKun | 64. |
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| 04:38.15 | PandaKun | im trying to chroot. |
| 04:38.21 | brknsoul | after using sudo for the 3rd time in a row, it's not asking me for the root passwd, is this right? |
| 04:38.34 | bob2 | PandaKun: if you're running the debian amd64 port, and you want to compile things for i386, you'll need a chroot |
| 04:38.41 | tbx | welson_: I think we're done here. |
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| 04:38.52 | PandaKun | huh |
| 04:38.58 | PandaKun | thats what i just said bob |
| 04:38.58 | welson_ | tbx, the partition is not blown, it's the filesystem.. if it was just the partition table entry, that's not a problem at all-- but it sounds like you really messed up.. |
| 04:38.59 | PandaKun | >.> |
| 04:38.59 | Lanix | glib does not come in debian 3.1 ? |
| 04:39.02 | PandaKun | why else you think im using chroot |
| 04:39.06 | welson_ | tbx, rtfm |
| 04:39.16 | welson_ | tbx, I did say to read up about it.. |
| 04:40.13 | welson_ | tbx, as a light gesture never assume, you must always verify of what you're doing before actually doing it-- in your case, it sounds like you really messed up somewhere.. |
| 04:40.30 | bob2 | PandaKun: youre using a debian kernel? |
| 04:40.33 | PandaKun | what? |
| 04:40.38 | bob2 | perhaps you need to use the linux32 command |
| 04:40.58 | deadcat | PandaKun: maybe you SHOULDNT chroot |
| 04:41.08 | PandaKun | why shouldnti deadcat? |
| 04:41.20 | PandaKun | i wanna try to compile 32bit programs |
| 04:41.21 | bob2 | if you want i386 binaries, you have to chroot |
| 04:41.23 | deadcat | PandaKun: because you dont know what the hell you're doing |
| 04:41.38 | PandaKun | ? |
| 04:41.41 | PandaKun | yeah bob2 i am. |
| 04:41.50 | welson_ | tbx, if it only has been sitting in the ide and barely nothing done against it, you shouldn't keep it in there anylonger and take it out.. |
| 04:42.28 | PandaKun | but then i get \warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `../common/obj/plugins.o' is incompatible with i386 outpu |
| 04:42.50 | bob2 | PandaKun: what does "uname -r" say in the chroot? |
| 04:43.14 | PandaKun | 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 04:43.29 | bob2 | and "uname -a"? |
| 04:43.36 | PandaKun | Linux IC0004 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 #1 Wed Jun 1 01:03:08 CEST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:44.18 | Goldfisch | PandaKun: Have you walked through https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id272001 in setting up your 32-bit chroot? |
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| 04:44.26 | PandaKun | nope |
| 04:44.27 | PandaKun | i will now =] |
| 04:44.30 | PandaKun | wait |
| 04:44.34 | PandaKun | yeah i did |
| 04:44.43 | PandaKun | i had to modify some stuff to sarge-ia35 |
| 04:44.45 | PandaKun | *36 |
| 04:44.53 | brknsoul | lol, silly me, not checking the history line before hitting enter, i got reboot instead of apt-get |
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| 04:46.05 | nicoal | are there any debian kernels that compile in gcc4? |
| 04:46.16 | mwilson | nicoal: No. |
| 04:46.21 | nicoal | shoot |
| 04:46.25 | mwilson | nicoal: Why would you need one? |
| 04:47.07 | brknsoul | is it wise/safe to apt-get install xfonts-* ? |
| 04:47.21 | bob2 | if you want them |
| 04:47.23 | maher | nicoal: mwilson i thought the most recent sid kernel was gcc4? |
| 04:47.25 | PandaKun | so..any ideas. |
| 04:47.28 | bob2 | most are ugly or specific, tho |
| 04:47.29 | nicoal | mwilson, this video card needs nvidia 7667, and there's vermagic |
| 04:47.30 | rking | apt takes asterisks? |
| 04:47.37 | bob2 | PandaKun: try #debian-amd64 |
| 04:47.38 | PandaKun | <Goldfisch> PandaKun: Have you walked through https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id272001 in setting up your 32-bit chroot? <-- did that already |
| 04:47.40 | PandaKun | there inactive. |
| 04:47.45 | bob2 | "they're" |
| 04:47.48 | bob2 | then wait, I guess |
| 04:47.49 | mwilson | nicoal: Why is either one of those a reason to need gcc4 as a kernel compiler? |
| 04:47.52 | brknsoul | rking: afaik |
| 04:47.52 | bob2 | or ask on the debian-amd64 list |
| 04:47.53 | PandaKun | i dont care about grammar here |
| 04:48.03 | mwilson | maher: Oh, did someone go through and do all the fixups? |
| 04:48.05 | PandaKun | i already asked debian-amd64 channel and they havnet responded |
| 04:48.07 | PandaKun | it's been about a hour. |
| 04:48.17 | nicoal | mwilson, I went to sid for xorg- xfree + widescreen = not nice |
| 04:48.21 | Goldfisch | PandaKun: My amd64 system is for running MythTV, so I don't really need any 32-bit stuff. Unfortunately, libc6 has a pthread bug in it, so it doesn't work too well. I haven't had to fight the 32-bit chroot issue personally. Sorry! |
| 04:48.37 | maher | mwilson: well the kernel claims its gcc4 - maybe they just changed the version magic :) |
| 04:48.40 | PandaKun | argh dammit. |
| 04:48.46 | PandaKun | just gotta fix /usr/bin/ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file |
| 04:48.48 | mwilson | nicoal: I'm not sure what you mean by "xfree + widescreen", but what does that have to do with gcc4? |
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| 04:49.25 | mwilson | maher: Perhaps someone did. Anything's possible. Gcc 4.x isn't a recommended kernel compiler, so there's no real reason to use it vs 3.x or even 2.95. |
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| 04:50.28 | zwack | what's the (!) shortcut for xfree reconfig |
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| 04:51.02 | nicoal | mwilson, I can't use xfree with this notebook screen, and I know xorg can handle it. consequently, I upgraded to sid, where gcc4 was present. the kernel's vermagic is 3.3 or something, and I can't compile any modules (namely nvidia) as I've now got gcc4 |
| 04:51.03 | brknsoul | someone wanna give me a reminder on how to install windows ttf fonts on debian? |
| 04:51.18 | mwilson | nicoal: So use 3.3 |
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| 04:51.38 | zwack | !xfree |
| 04:51.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xfree86 is proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "x.org", or something that moves so slowly, it doesn't feel like it's moved in years |
| 04:51.52 | zwack | !xf4 |
| 04:51.53 | dpkg | well, xf4 is XFree86 version 4.x (http://www.xfree86.org/), or packaged by Branden 'Overfiend' Robinson (http://people.debian.org/~branden). For XF4 for potato goto (http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/), or note that xf4 on potato is *not* considered stable, or ask me about xf4.2, or you shouldn't be using potato anyway |
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| 04:52.20 | zwack | !xf |
| 04:52.20 | PandaKun | hrmm. |
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| 04:52.37 | mwilson | nicoal: Personally, I always use 2.95 to build kernels. |
| 04:52.38 | zwack | !xf4.2 |
| 04:52.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xf4.2 is now in Debian unstable (Sid), currently version 4.2.1 |
| 04:52.48 | zwack | argh |
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| 04:53.05 | christor | How to check a file in real time? |
| 04:53.06 | zwack | anyone know the one for xfree and reconfiging |
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| 04:53.34 | zwack | my screen resolution is default too low |
| 04:53.44 | zwack | can't set it any higher for some reason |
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| 04:54.38 | nicoal | mwilson, can't be bothered to mess with the symlinks- it was no biggie anyway, I just thought I'd put debian back on a box to see what happens |
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| 04:54.55 | mwilson | nicoal: No one asked you to mess with any symlinks. |
| 04:55.17 | nicoal | zwack, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 04:55.21 | mwilson | nicoal: Multiple compilers co-exist quite nicely on just about any Linux distribution. |
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| 04:55.32 | zwack | yes |
| 04:55.35 | zwack | thank you |
| 04:55.56 | nicoal | mwilson, yet, the nvidia business can't find gcc-3.x |
| 04:56.01 | zwack | shortcut here explained something about md5 |
| 04:56.03 | PandaKun | =o |
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| 04:56.12 | zwack | if you messed with the config manually |
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| 04:56.40 | rixth_ | Okay, I have not been able to find a video channel on Freenode (VirtualDub is OSS!). I have a Plextor ConvertX but it defaults to capturing DivX not MPEG. How do I set it to capture MPEG? |
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| 04:56.57 | mwilson | nicoal: <shrug> So you alter the Makefile to call whichever compiler you want to use, or you pass CC or GCC or whichever the Makefile uses. |
| 04:58.46 | mwilson | nicoal: It's not like it's a big deal. Unless you're doing something silly like using nVidia's installer, the Debian nVidia packages will auto-detect whatever compiler was used to build the kernel you're currently pointed to. |
| 04:58.57 | ticktoc | When I change out the media in my usb smart media reader, it somehow quits working... I umount it, then any new mounts claim it doesn't find it in fstab or maybe at times says it cant determine the type (even though fstab defines the device filesystem as auto) I can leave the new medai in the reader, reboot and THEN it's ok and works great.. Any help? |
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| 05:00.27 | mepha | Guys, I have a bit of a problem, I just did rm -r /var;/blah/blah so now my var directory is gone. What should I do? |
| 05:00.27 | nicoal | mwilson, what's the latest nvidia-kernel in the repos? |
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| 05:00.42 | bob2 | mepha: reinstall |
| 05:00.43 | freewoody | Is there any firewalls for debian without a GUI interface ? |
| 05:00.44 | mwilson | nicoal: I have no idea. That's what p.d.o is for. |
| 05:00.53 | ticktoc | mepha: pray maybe? |
| 05:00.56 | nicoal | man pdo |
| 05:01.00 | bob2 | or restore backups |
| 05:01.02 | bob2 | freewoody: shorewall |
| 05:01.29 | daedalus_ | freewoody: iptables |
| 05:01.48 | nicoal | mwilson, p.d.o ? |
| 05:01.50 | freewoody | iptables seem abit advanced for me right now |
| 05:01.59 | freewoody | So shorewall is good ? |
| 05:02.09 | vince_ | packages.debian.org ;) |
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| 05:02.29 | Goldfisch | Doesn't "no GUI" often translate as "I want an expert interface, stop helping me"? |
| 05:02.47 | nicoal | I've been away from the debian world a while, forgive me ;) |
| 05:03.13 | freewoody | Is Shorewall just an extension of iptables ? |
| 05:03.24 | vince_ | nicoal: there is a world outside of debian? Where?! |
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| 05:03.29 | bob2 | every firewalling tool on linux is a wrapper for iptables |
| 05:03.46 | rsff | if you where to recomend an RSS news Reader for gnome, which one would it be? |
| 05:04.22 | ticktoc | freewoody: autofw can be run as a daemon and requires NO setup by the user.. |
| 05:04.55 | Goldfisch | Another type of firewall is the $50 appliance down at Best Buy. Just plug it in, and poof! You have a firewall! |
| 05:05.27 | ticktoc | liferea is great.. i just installed it a few days ago and it's actually pretty nice.. think i'll keep it around a while.. |
| 05:05.35 | brknsoul | what option do i use in XF86Config to enable the scrollwheel on my mouse? |
| 05:05.53 | deadcat | brknsoul: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:05.59 | Goldfisch | I wouldn't trust my network to a firewall that does everything automatically. If you want to secure your network, take some responsibility and do your homework. |
| 05:06.18 | freewoody | autofw ? |
| 05:06.29 | ticktoc | freewoody: yup... |
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| 05:07.16 | freewoody | I don't see autofw in apt-cache |
| 05:07.17 | ticktoc | found it somewhere a few months back ... think it's only a source code pkg.. |
| 05:07.18 | PandaKun | hey |
| 05:07.21 | PandaKun | im looking down the list of http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=glibc-devel |
| 05:07.25 | PandaKun | which one would be good for a debian 64? |
| 05:07.28 | ticktoc | let me look.. |
| 05:07.34 | bob2 | so |
| 05:07.39 | brknsoul | deadcat: i just need the Option name, i don't wanna reconfigure the whole file again |
| 05:07.41 | PandaKun | debian 64 thats running in a 32bit chroot environment |
| 05:07.43 | bob2 | installing a rpm of glibc doesn't sound like the smartest option |
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| 05:07.52 | PandaKun | why not/ |
| 05:08.01 | bob2 | I'd put it up there with "swalling razor blades" and "inserting hoat coals into your rectum" |
| 05:08.05 | ticktoc | autofw_0.3.1-1_i386.deb |
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| 05:08.14 | bob2 | perhaps because you'd make every other package uninstallable?? |
| 05:08.16 | deadcat | brknsoul: ZAxisMapping |
| 05:08.19 | PandaKun | oh i see |
| 05:08.19 | bob2 | and probably unrunnable? |
| 05:08.27 | PandaKun | how would i get rid of /usr/bin/ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file then? |
| 05:08.53 | Goldfisch | PandaKun: What's wrong with libc6-dev from debian? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libdevel/libc6-dev |
| 05:08.54 | freewoody | I need a firewall to protect my server which has 6 Nic cards and 6 different IP Pool |
| 05:09.07 | freewoody | Will shorewall work for this type of setup ? |
| 05:09.28 | exobyte | I can't use make menuconfig or xconfig. What's the best way to make a few config changes? |
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| 05:09.47 | bob2 | freewoody: hire a sysadmin |
| 05:09.48 | metaperl | !wmv |
| 05:09.48 | rking | exobyte: vim .config |
| 05:09.48 | dpkg | i heard wmv is http://wiki.debian.net/?WindowsMediaVideo , or a method to get used to pain |
| 05:09.49 | bob2 | freewoody: and yes |
| 05:09.58 | bob2 | exobyte: fix it so you can use them |
| 05:10.07 | bob2 | PandaKun: have you asked on the debian-a,md64 list yet? |
| 05:10.14 | ticktoc | again, autofw will do that too but then I like the other suggestion of a cheap hw solution from bestbuy.. |
| 05:10.15 | freewoody | bob2, I would have hired you if you were here |
| 05:10.16 | PandaKun | odd |
| 05:10.18 | PandaKun | nope bob |
| 05:10.23 | PandaKun | link me? |
| 05:10.27 | exobyte | bob2: uhh, heh |
| 05:10.27 | PandaKun | and yes i have gold |
| 05:10.31 | PandaKun | i already have it installed goldfish |
| 05:10.34 | PandaKun | i mean gold fisch lmao. |
| 05:10.43 | bob2 | PandaKun: http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 05:10.46 | exobyte | rking: and how to I get autoconf.h? |
| 05:11.01 | zwack | restart xserver? |
| 05:11.16 | rking | exobyte: hrm... maybe... run autoconf ? |
| 05:11.18 | zwack | to test new config |
| 05:12.00 | exobyte | rking: you sure? I know menuconfig makes that file |
| 05:12.06 | Goldfisch | Get something like this: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/DG834.php . Plug it in, use a web browser to configure it, run one NIC card into the back, and the thing works regardless of whether your correctly (or incorrectly) configured iptables. |
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| 05:12.37 | rking | exobyte: nope... i'm not sure at all. |
| 05:12.39 | ticktoc | one more time on the smart media card reader problem.. how can I get it to let me change media?? |
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| 05:13.19 | zwack | !xfr |
| 05:13.25 | Goldfisch | iptables can be used as a firewall solution, but I use it for totally different things. I have an Xbox system that I plug into the 2nd NIC on ony my computers, and use iptables to forward packets to my router, so I can get online. |
| 05:13.28 | zwack | !xf86 |
| 05:13.28 | dpkg | xf86 is, like, XFree86, http://www.xfree86.org, or apt-get install task-x-window-system, or apt-get install task-x-window-system-core |
| 05:14.01 | Goldfisch | I don't like the risk that some upgrade or change I make could alter my iptables policy. By offloading all that into a HW appliance, I don't sweat about it..every. |
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| 05:14.04 | Goldfisch | s/every/eve |
| 05:14.13 | Goldfisch | bleah! s/every/ever :) |
| 05:15.17 | freewoody | I can't start shorewall |
| 05:15.25 | freewoody | I get this error: Error: No policy defined for zone fw to zone net |
| 05:15.45 | welson_ | zwack, where can I get a list of virtual package names like what dpkg spat out ? |
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| 05:16.34 | welson_ | or anyone else familiar with this-- i can't seem to find a list |
| 05:16.50 | Goldfisch | PandaKun: Are you using a stock kernel, or did you build it yourself? Is that error about some kernel module getting loaded? Me, I build my own kernels. |
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| 05:17.53 | freewoody | bob2, which country do you live ? |
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| 05:18.28 | zwack | welson i would like to know too |
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| 05:18.43 | zwack | someone helpful here spit it out earlier |
| 05:18.48 | zwack | when i was at work |
| 05:18.53 | zwack | and now i can't remember |
| 05:19.01 | nicoal | zwack, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 05:19.23 | zwack | i got that |
| 05:19.33 | zwack | what about restarting xserver |
| 05:19.36 | zwack | after config |
| 05:20.06 | daedalus_ | zwack:/etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 05:20.10 | zwack | here the scoop |
| 05:20.21 | zwack | ooo thank you daedalus |
| 05:20.48 | daedalus_ | zwack: you may have to sub xdm or kdm for gdm. Depends upon your setup |
| 05:20.51 | daedalus_ | d'oh |
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| 05:21.13 | deadcat | daedalus_: maybe no dm? |
| 05:21.17 | Lanix | how to remove pkg ? |
| 05:21.32 | Goldfisch | I was always kind of partial to ctlr-alt-backspace for restarting X. |
| 05:21.39 | daedalus_ | deadcat: People run without a dm? |
| 05:21.50 | rking | Lanix: apt-get remove foopkg; possibly apt-get remove --purge foopkg; there's docs for all of this. =) |
| 05:22.15 | rking | Goldfisch++ # I love C-A-B for restarting X... some WM's are picky about it, though |
| 05:22.33 | deadcat | daedalus_: why not |
| 05:22.35 | Goldfisch | What do you use? I have KDE/kdm. |
| 05:24.17 | Goldfisch | Now when I was trying to get nVidia working on my AMD64 system hooked up to an HDTV, well that was another story. I didn't have X up in the first place. That took many nights to figure out! |
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| 05:25.22 | Lanix | i get the error i just paest in #flood can any one help me to fix that problem i don't understad it mutch ...? |
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| 05:26.07 | Goldfisch | Lanix: It helps to get somebody looking at flood BEFORE you paste it. Anybody cutting over there now won't see it. |
| 05:26.30 | Lanix | ok paste again ? |
| 05:26.32 | PandaKun | so |
| 05:26.33 | PandaKun | im back |
| 05:26.34 | PandaKun | any ideas? |
| 05:26.42 | Lanix | sorry i'll do that next time |
| 05:26.44 | PandaKun | im using a stock kernal |
| 05:26.56 | Goldfisch | PandaKun: Are you using a stock kernel, or did you build it yourself? Is that error about some kernel module getting loaded? Me, I build my own kernels. |
| 05:27.06 | PandaKun | i said stock =o |
| 05:27.41 | Goldfisch | PandaKun: I thought I read that. Don't know if I have any ideas left. If you are bored -> http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 05:27.42 | Lanix | there |
| 05:27.42 | daedalus_ | deadcat: the whole insta-start x without dropping something in your .rc files is kinda nice... unless I'm missing some other method that doesn't fuxor you when x is misbehaving |
| 05:27.52 | rking | does anyone know of a zsh completion tutorial that is a) up to date, and b) simple? I see functions/Completion/Unix/_subversion right here, and though I've had zsh completion set up in the past, i'm completely lost about how to get it to work again |
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| 05:28.20 | Goldfisch | Lanix: What were doing to generate this error? |
| 05:28.25 | ke6isf | Wow, somebody uses zsh?! |
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| 05:28.34 | Lanix | instalin new vercion of gaim |
| 05:28.43 | rking | ke6isf: what else is there? |
| 05:28.54 | daedalus_ | rking: bash? |
| 05:28.57 | Schiz0 | Anyone know what would cause apt-get update to download updates every single time I run it? |
| 05:29.06 | ke6isf | rking: bash, tcsh, or if you're feeling looney, ksh |
| 05:29.11 | gentgeen__ | where would I get the file "file_put_contents.php" -- I have php installed |
| 05:29.13 | mdh | rking: there's nothing quite as good as zsh though |
| 05:29.18 | Schiz0 | I would run it, it would download, then I would run it when it's done, and it would download more, and it keeps going like that |
| 05:29.35 | ivan | Schiz0, stop apt-get updating then |
| 05:29.38 | daedalus_ | Schiz0: apt-get update does exactly that. |
| 05:29.44 | rking | mdh: that's my point. i can't stand bash for very long when i'm on a machine. if i have root, i'm apt-get install'ing zsh pretty dang quick |
| 05:29.50 | daedalus_ | Schiz0: perhaps you want apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:29.54 | Schiz0 | So how do I know when it's funny updated? |
| 05:29.56 | Schiz0 | No I don't. |
| 05:29.59 | Goldfisch | Or would you put it, "Nothing is quite as good as ze shell, monsieur!" |
| 05:30.02 | Schiz0 | I wannta get updated lists of packages |
| 05:30.11 | ke6isf | ivan, daedalus_: I recognize the problem, I could do apt-get update every five minutes in succession, and purdue would pull down. |
| 05:30.24 | daedalus_ | ke6isf: ah |
| 05:30.30 | ke6isf | ivan, daedalus_: ...and nothing else will. |
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| 05:31.05 | ke6isf | Only explanation I heard on the ML was that it could just be a server error, and if it really bothers you, pull it out of your sources and find another source. |
| 05:31.14 | Schiz0 | Hmm |
| 05:31.14 | Schiz0 | ok |
| 05:31.22 | ivan | that'd be my guess too ke6isf |
| 05:31.27 | Schiz0 | I'm fine with it, I was jsut a bit curious. |
| 05:31.34 | deadcat | !seen gravity |
| 05:31.35 | dpkg | gravity <~david@pool-151-199-27-233.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 36m 21s ago, saying: 'The ati driver guys are really cool. They do a lot of non-proprietary work too.'. |
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| 05:31.43 | Lanix | Goldfisch: did you get to reed me ? |
| 05:31.44 | Goldfisch | Lanix: Not sure I can answer your situation. I don't want to shoot from the hip on this one, and have you bust up your system. |
| 05:31.50 | ke6isf | Schiz0: Which server is it, btw? |
| 05:31.57 | mdh | Schiz0: it uses lms requests, so its known that timezones will screw it over |
| 05:31.58 | Lanix | ok Goldfisch |
| 05:31.59 | Schiz0 | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 05:32.03 | Lanix | thx any way |
| 05:32.05 | ke6isf | Schiz0: Ah, that's right. |
| 05:32.12 | exobyte | What does make config do? (kernel, obviously) |
| 05:32.36 | ke6isf | I think it brings up the kernel configurator. |
| 05:32.46 | mdh | Lanix: what problem do you have? |
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| 05:33.02 | Lanix | is paest on flood |
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| 05:33.08 | exobyte | ke6isf: hmm.. I'm trying to figure out the difference between that and oldconfig |
| 05:33.13 | Goldfisch | exobyte: Make config is the oldest way to configure a kernel. It will prompt you line-by-line. Try either make menuconfig or make xconfig. That will give you a better handle on configuring your kernel. |
| 05:33.14 | mdh | I'm not in #flood |
| 05:33.24 | HappyHobo | Hi folks |
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| 05:33.27 | Lanix | can you see it or do you want me to paest again |
| 05:33.36 | ke6isf | exobyte: It's been ages since I hand crufted a kernel. |
| 05:33.38 | exobyte | Goldfisch: if I have a .config already, will it reprompt me? |
| 05:33.44 | exobyte | ke6isf: lucky you |
| 05:33.44 | HappyHobo | anyone know why the repos aren't updating? |
| 05:33.54 | ke6isf | HappyHobo: Which branch? |
| 05:34.15 | Lanix | mdh: i have just paest it |
| 05:34.15 | exobyte | ke6isf: damn. I have my answer |
| 05:34.22 | exobyte | oops- Goldfisch ^^ |
| 05:34.28 | Goldfisch | exobyte: make oldconfig is a way to configure a newer kernel using an existing config file. It will try to autoanswer the existing prompts and only stop at the new ones not tracked in your old .config. |
| 05:34.39 | HappyHobo | testing |
| 05:34.40 | mdh | exobyte: "make oldconfig" is what you run when you copy your old .config file into a new kernel source directory.. it'll take the values it can and prompt you for the others |
| 05:34.54 | exobyte | mdh: ahh |
| 05:35.00 | Goldfisch | exobyte: Before you dig in too deep, I suggest this doc. I use it all the time when I am building kernels. http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 05:35.26 | HappyHobo | I've searched the web for an answer and I can't find it |
| 05:35.41 | exobyte | Goldfisch: thx. Quick question- how can I get autoconf.h when I just edit .config? |
| 05:35.51 | Goldfisch | HappyHobo: When you find the answer, tell me, okay? :) |
| 05:35.53 | dondelelcaro | HappyHobo: read debian-devel-announce and become enlightened. |
| 05:36.07 | HappyHobo | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 05:36.14 | HappyHobo | how about a quick synposis for us in the cheapseats? |
| 05:36.24 | mdh | Lanix: which debian version are you running? |
| 05:36.28 | jm_ | it's times like this when one thinks using testing/sid would require a password |
| 05:36.50 | Goldfisch | exobyte: Huh? I never edit .config. I may open it and look for certain flags to get a tip-off where to find them in the nested menus of kernel options. I only set stuff via make xyzconfig. |
| 05:36.51 | jm_ | or should rather |
| 05:36.57 | HappyHobo | jm_ why should it? |
| 05:37.12 | jm_ | HappyHobo: so that only competent people would get the password and not ask stupid questions |
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| 05:37.15 | dondelelcaro | !raff and samosa is <reply> Raff and Samosa took a little trip via FedEx. They've arrived now. If you even care about this, you should already be subscribed to debian-devel-announce; subscribe, and read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00018.html |
| 05:37.16 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 05:37.19 | Lanix | 31roa mdh |
| 05:37.27 | Lanix | 31r0a mdh |
| 05:37.33 | HappyHobo | jm_ it's not a stupid question |
| 05:37.37 | jm_ | HappyHobo: yes it is |
| 05:37.52 | HappyHobo | are you always an asshole or do you have to practice? |
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| 05:37.55 | exobyte | Goldfisch: ok. thx. damn menuconfig... |
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| 05:38.17 | jm_ | funny how it's always the clueless who start calling people that know things assholes and the likes |
| 05:38.33 | HappyHobo | No you're just being smug for no reason |
| 05:38.41 | Lanix | mdh: sarge 31r0a and i did do an update and dist-upgrade and whether if it tock me to the latest one , am not sure |
| 05:38.48 | aliasd | heyas.... i am trying to send mail from a webapp, and although exim is installed and all, it cant find sendmail, how do i make sendmail accessable under exim4 by all users? |
| 05:38.48 | dondelelcaro | HappyHobo: if you're running testing or unstable, you should already be subscribed to those mailing lists; if you aren't; you're going to be in for a heap of trouble. |
| 05:39.02 | Goldfisch | exobyte: My upgrade procedure is like this: I use make oldconfig to suck in an old .config file, try my best at answering the rest of the prompted questions. Finally I go into to make menuconfig just to double check things. |
| 05:39.09 | ke6isf | HappyHobo: It is considered wise to subscribe to lists that are relevant to the branch you are using. If you aren't, you will fail to understand what is going on. |
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| 05:39.19 | jm_ | aliasd4;exim provides sendmail compatibility wrapper |
| 05:39.29 | HappyHobo | Thanks |
| 05:39.34 | guk | How do I find what program is running on a port |
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| 05:39.42 | jm_ | maher: :) |
| 05:39.51 | daedalus_ | !lsof |
| 05:39.52 | dpkg | i heard lsof is LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
| 05:39.53 | ke6isf | maher: Ah, but do you *read* them? =^_^= |
| 05:39.59 | golly | Anyone use mdadm to build a RAID array ...... I got a few q's about Raid 5 |
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| 05:40.05 | exobyte | Goldfisch: I'm doing something a little different... It's for an embedded system |
| 05:40.06 | daedalus_ | guk: lsof -i :<port> |
| 05:40.12 | mdh | Lanix: have you ever installed glib from source or some other means? |
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| 05:40.21 | jm_ | guk: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 05:40.39 | mdh | Lanix: if I run pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0 it tells me 2.6.5 (that's on sid) |
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| 05:40.59 | golly | Anyone use mdadm to build a RAID array ...... I got a few q's about Raid 5 |
| 05:41.02 | Lanix | let me see |
| 05:41.15 | HappyHobo | I'm not a debian user I'm a mepis user who uses debian repositories so I'm not a subscriber to any of the debian lists. |
| 05:41.20 | ^arky^ | Does any have the problem with firefox copy buffer issue on sid |
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| 05:41.30 | ke6isf | HappyHobo: mepis is not debian. |
| 05:41.31 | HappyHobo | I can't get any more honest than that. This is why I don't know |
| 05:41.34 | golly | HappyHobo: hey there stranger |
| 05:41.40 | HappyHobo | hi golly |
| 05:41.46 | ke6isf | !debian-based |
| 05:41.46 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 05:41.46 | HappyHobo | I'm aware of this ke6isf |
| 05:41.48 | golly | ke6isf: Mepis IS debian..... |
| 05:41.54 | golly | based |
| 05:42.01 | HappyHobo | dpkg: thank you as well |
| 05:42.10 | Lanix | mdh: i get 0.17.2 |
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| 05:42.11 | Lanix | 2.6.0 |
| 05:42.25 | chealer | !tell golly about based on debian |
| 05:42.39 | jm_ | !knoppixsmite golly |
| 05:42.51 | HappyHobo | The bottom line is Mepis uses the debian repositories and they are currently frozen. I merely want an answer why. |
| 05:42.54 | ke6isf | And it's not even Saturday. |
| 05:42.58 | mdh | Lanix: have you done an apt-get install --reinstall libglib2.0-dev ? |
| 05:43.17 | ^arky^ | lol dpkg |
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| 05:43.23 | golly | jm__ :hmm....... |
| 05:43.27 | mdh | Lanix: pkg-config is just getting that value from /usr/share/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc |
| 05:43.29 | ke6isf | HappyHobo: Why not just go balls-up and install sarge? |
| 05:43.38 | Lanix | i have install 260 from source mdh |
| 05:43.47 | HappyHobo | Because the installer from Mepis configures my laptop better. |
| 05:43.51 | mdh | Lanix: you can "strace pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0" to see it open up the file... |
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| 05:44.25 | ke6isf | !beer barryh_ |
| 05:44.27 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@151.210-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:44.28 | HappyHobo | meauto has excellent hardware detection and management. On most distros my ethernet card doesn't work properly or at all but with mepis it works right out of the box. |
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| 05:44.51 | Lanix | mdh: look it the chanel flood i will paest conplete error |
| 05:45.04 | HappyHobo | So I'm not asking about your distribution or wanting to praise my own I merely want to know why the repositories are frozen |
| 05:45.18 | HappyHobo | Short sweet answer would suffice |
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| 05:45.22 | dondelelcaro | HappyHobo: have you read what dpkg said yet? |
| 05:45.29 | Lanix | mdh: see the conplete error ? |
| 05:45.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell HappyHobo -about raff and samosa |
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| 05:45.50 | HappyHobo | I'm not asking for support for my distribution |
| 05:45.53 | Lanix | is aking for GLib 2.0 but if it is there why is aking for it ? |
| 05:46.00 | Lanix | becase thers more then one vercion ? |
| 05:46.02 | HappyHobo | The repositories are technically separate from the actual install |
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| 05:46.34 | dondelelcaro | HappyHobo: we're all aware of that; read the links that dpkg sent you; if you have specific questions about those e-mails, ask a specific question. |
| 05:47.03 | freewoody | How to I unzip a .tgz file ? |
| 05:47.07 | mdh | Lanix: if you don't need that version you compiled from source, "make uninstall" it, then --reinstall the glib stuff from debian |
| 05:47.12 | dondelelcaro | !tgz |
| 05:47.12 | dpkg | to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ... |
| 05:47.15 | tvn | HappyHobo: you should tweak your question (assuming it is distro-indepdent) so that it seems like you're using Debian. Otherwise, you will get rejected right away. |
| 05:47.24 | angryce | bah , i give up ,, *sigh* , cant fix the damn "screen size" correct, therefor its, well , not clear on x-chat, what can i do ? ;) |
| 05:47.25 | Lanix | from debian ? |
| 05:47.40 | freewoody | just a file with the *.tgz ext. |
| 05:47.43 | HappyHobo | okay for now then my src.list should be edited to spohr.debian.org |
| 05:47.45 | HappyHobo | thanks |
| 05:47.51 | dondelelcaro | HappyHobo: no, it shouldn't. |
| 05:47.54 | Lanix | if i try instaling gaim from apt it wont update the actual one , it will let stay with very old one |
| 05:47.59 | dondelelcaro | HappyHobo: you don't need to change *ANYTHING*. |
| 05:48.12 | jm_ | bwahaha |
| 05:48.16 | ke6isf | HappyHobo: I think the short version is "wait until DNS propagates". |
| 05:48.34 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: no, the pulse has already gone out to the mirrors that can pulse. |
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| 05:48.47 | HappyHobo | thanks for your help dpkg tvn dondelelcaro and ke6isf |
| 05:48.49 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Ah, indeed. |
| 05:49.07 | Bill1 | trying hard to configure iptables to make my tftp client work.. but no luck.. Any Iptables/netfilter expert here? |
| 05:49.16 | golly | hey HappyHobo : dpkg is a machine |
| 05:49.16 | HappyHobo | I check for updates on a regular basis with synaptic and it's quite frustrating |
| 05:49.17 | tvn | HappyHobo: np , use me as example, I don't help anything but still get thanked for .... |
| 05:49.32 | mdh | Lanix: you could have "apt-get build-dep gaim" to get everything you need to compile gaim |
| 05:49.38 | ke6isf | !beer tvn |
| 05:49.41 | daedalus_ | Bill1: #iptables? |
| 05:49.42 | dondelelcaro | HappyHobo: why? You're just using the system; have a drink and relax. |
| 05:50.14 | tvn | hahah ... beer :) |
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| 05:50.29 | Bill1 | you mean.. i need to try in #iptables channel? |
| 05:50.38 | Lanix | mdh: really ? |
| 05:50.38 | HappyHobo | Keep hoping for new stuff dondelelcaro |
| 05:50.39 | jm_ | Bill1: just use logging rules to help you |
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| 05:50.40 | daedalus_ | Bill1: Hai! |
| 05:50.45 | amo-ej1 | hmmz are there issues with unstable package distribution ? |
| 05:50.55 | lvdsn | hello |
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| 05:51.04 | lvdsn | I need help about the |
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| 05:51.19 | lvdsn | packages who are in each Sarge's cd |
| 05:51.21 | sciron | good god, bind9 is borked in the testing branch |
| 05:51.22 | daedalus_ | !tell amo-ej1 about unstable |
| 05:51.26 | lvdsn | do you know how ? |
| 05:51.32 | jm_ | lvdsn: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 05:51.33 | HappyHobo | So the rumors of debian shutting down are just that |
| 05:51.33 | Lanix | mdh: look in flood i did what you sayd abaut the build |
| 05:51.45 | Thanatermesis | what are more best for the final users ? oo1 or oo2 ? |
| 05:51.47 | Bill1 | any iptables/firewall expert here?? |
| 05:51.52 | ke6isf | HappyHobo: If you're that interested in new stuff, watch Freshmeat. If you *really* need the package, as Obi Wan Kenobi would say, "Use the source, Luke". |
| 05:52.29 | amo-ej1 | daedalus_ i know that, but I haven't had any updates since a week which seems odd and therefor i wan't to know are it the .be mirrors or is there a debian problem ? |
| 05:52.31 | lvdsn | jm_, I don't understand |
| 05:52.42 | jm_ | lvdsn: type that in your IRC client |
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| 05:52.48 | lvdsn | cool |
| 05:53.17 | PandaKun | any ideas? /usr/bin/ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `../common/obj/malloc.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
| 05:53.21 | chealer | Thanatermesis: OOo2 is *beta* software |
| 05:53.37 | Thanatermesis | yes, its beta... |
| 05:53.39 | Thanatermesis | works good ? |
| 05:53.43 | lvdsn | jm_, right i do that, but, how about the dependencies |
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| 05:54.01 | jm_ | lvdsn: what about them? |
| 05:54.09 | ke6isf | lvdsn: apt-get takes care of that. |
| 05:54.30 | sciron | mmm.... reportbug being the recommended method, is there another shorter route by chance? |
| 05:54.31 | daedalus_ | amo-ej1, are you: 1)getting updates from debian, or from a mirror. 2)using 'unstable' as the dist instead of something like 'sarge'/'etch'? |
| 05:54.35 | lvdsn | jm_, how can I know in what cd are the dependencies of any package |
| 05:54.41 | lvdsn | ? |
| 05:54.49 | tvn | HappyHobo: There should be dozen of howto's on setting up Debian on your specific laptop. |
| 05:55.00 | jm_ | lvdsn: I think that most things on a given CD don't need things from other CD-s |
| 05:55.16 | jm_ | lvdsn: anyway why do you care about this? just use netinst ISO |
| 05:55.22 | lvdsn | jm_, you thing that ? |
| 05:55.33 | HappyHobo | tvn: why bother with a howto if you have something that sets it up automatically? |
| 05:55.38 | amo-ej1 | daedalus_: nvm, just found out it was a debian problem |
| 05:55.47 | lvdsn | jm_, but how abou the people that don't have Internet |
| 05:55.57 | lvdsn | jm_, but how about the people that don't have Internet ? |
| 05:56.02 | jm_ | lvdsn: they can buy CD-s |
| 05:56.02 | ke6isf | lvdsn: Um... what are you doing here, then? |
| 05:56.12 | jm_ | or DVD-s |
| 05:56.18 | lvdsn | jm_, but which cd's all of them ? |
| 05:56.34 | tvn | HappyHobo: the thing that includes that something caused you whatever problems you're facing and worst yet, you don't get answer for it |
| 05:56.36 | lvdsn | jm_, and someone who need only some cd's ? how about them ? |
| 05:56.44 | jm_ | lvdsn: that largely depends on software *they* want to install, doesn't it? there's no single answer for all the people out there |
| 05:57.14 | ke6isf | lvdsn: apt-get, aptitude, and synaptic should. take. care. of. that. detail. |
| 05:57.16 | lvdsn | jm_, right, but how can I construct something like I say ? |
| 05:57.25 | jm_ | lvdsn: what? |
| 05:57.34 | lvdsn | jm_, something like a databse with that information ? |
| 05:57.45 | ke6isf | *headdesk* |
| 05:57.46 | jm_ | lvdsn: using Packages files |
| 05:58.14 | HappyHobo | jm_ so you think debian should block all other distributions from using their repositories |
| 05:58.18 | lvdsn | jm_, because I have all the cd's and the content of each one, but one friend tell me that need some package |
| 05:58.19 | jm_ | lvdsn: and the files from "cd contents" factoid |
| 05:58.31 | jm_ | HappyHobo: huh? no I never said that |
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| 05:58.40 | lvdsn | jm_, which cd I can give him/her |
| 05:58.55 | HappyHobo | curious because of your password content |
| 05:58.59 | jm_ | lvdsn: ever heard of apt-rdepends and apt-cache policy? |
| 05:59.21 | lvdsn | jm_, no, how about it ? |
| 05:59.21 | jm_ | HappyHobo: that was meant for people who use Debian itself |
| 05:59.23 | HappyHobo | most n00bs and windiots come to linux via the branch distributions and slowly migrate mainstream to debian |
| 05:59.28 | jm_ | lvdsn: investigate it |
| 05:59.47 | marcel | Hmm when will debian have updates/upgrades for sid again ? Aren't those server up yet? |
| 05:59.48 | lvdsn | jm_, right I start with that, but for what ? |
| 05:59.53 | HappyHobo | if the repositories were locked to only be used by debian all branches would surely die off jm_ |
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| 06:00.56 | jm_ | lvdsn: I don't know, to get the list of CD-s you need to give out I suppose |
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| 06:01.43 | HappyHobo | anyways the servers are temporarily down and they will return. Thanks |
| 06:01.54 | Goldfisch | What servers are down? |
| 06:02.00 | lvdsn | jm_, to borrow it |
| 06:02.09 | HappyHobo | relocated whatever |
| 06:02.14 | jm_ | HappyHobo: once again, the idea is not to block that but block inexperienced users from using them and you can be damn sure that my idea is never going to happen anyway |
| 06:02.20 | chealer | Thanatermesis: ask #openoffice.org |
| 06:02.29 | lvdsn | jm_, but what cd i could borrow ? |
| 06:02.30 | Ayano | Hey all, I just did a fresh install on a vm workstation and It will not start x, it says it has been too extensively modified and is no longer supported. Any clues? |
| 06:02.30 | jm_ | lvdsn: yes, that's just what I said |
| 06:02.41 | Thanatermesis | humm... yes |
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| 06:02.44 | lvdsn | jm_, thanks abou thar |
| 06:02.52 | HappyHobo | leaving debian and their repositories only to the experienced and l33t jm_? |
| 06:02.58 | lvdsn | jm_, thanks i start with apt-rdepends |
| 06:03.21 | jm_ | HappyHobo: no, you don't actually read what I say, right? They can freely use Debian stable |
| 06:03.22 | mdh | HappyHobo: you've misunderstood what jm_ said |
| 06:03.32 | Goldfisch | What servers are relocated? |
| 06:03.47 | mdh | Goldfisch: the important ones |
| 06:03.48 | jm_ | !tell Goldfisch -about raff and samosa |
| 06:04.04 | tvn | !tell tvn -about raff and samosa |
| 06:04.25 | jm_ | tvn: "/msg dpkg foo" works equally well ;) |
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| 06:04.32 | tvn | lol :P ... |
| 06:04.50 | Bill1 | any firewall expert here? |
| 06:05.01 | tvn | if I didn't show what I don't know , I wouldn't know that correct thing |
| 06:05.27 | HappyHobo | Well I was figuring it was merely a thinning of the herd since more and more distros pop up with debian management |
| 06:05.38 | jm_ | billatq: I've got two fire-resistant doors in my house, does that count? |
| 06:05.50 | jm_ | Bill1 ^^^^^^ |
| 06:06.40 | jm_ | yes and that's why many people detest distributions like Mepis |
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| 06:06.56 | ^arky^ | Does any have the problem with firefox copy buffer issue on sid |
| 06:06.58 | exobyte | I have a system in vmware. I accidentally had it online with sshd enabled and the root password set to password, but it's only been on maybe an hour or 2 (never more than 30 min) and it's dialup. I wonder if it's been rooted |
| 06:06.58 | HappyHobo | it's merely an elitist attitude I've always figured |
| 06:07.08 | jm_ | no it's not |
| 06:07.15 | HappyHobo | The original is always the best and the rest are nothing more than cheap knockoffs |
| 06:07.37 | jm_ | the issue is not even close to that, but whatever |
| 06:07.39 | Goldfisch | Guys, I feel enlightened. :) |
| 06:07.52 | mdh | exobyte: what's its ip addy? |
| 06:08.12 | exobyte | mdh: 192.168.1.250 |
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| 06:08.33 | exobyte | mdh: don't try anything.. I changed it |
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| 06:08.39 | mdh | exobyte: yeah, I think I got that one |
| 06:08.44 | Goldfisch | exobyte: That's an internal IP. Is there an external ip? |
| 06:08.55 | exobyte | Goldfisch: umm, 127.0.0.1? |
| 06:09.10 | StijnT | lol |
| 06:09.21 | Bill1 | jm_ ... i wonder y u waste ur time like this..like a nasty one.. |
| 06:09.21 | exobyte | I feel like a gentoo user |
| 06:09.30 | Goldfisch | exobyte: Nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk...... |
| 06:09.36 | mdh | I feel like a 18 yr old... any around? |
| 06:09.50 | tvn | you can hack exobyte 's computer by hacking to his current computer now and ssh to 192.168.1.250 and hack it with root and the new password he just set |
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| 06:09.52 | jm_ | Bill1: because you're a stupid dick who comes here and bothers us with questions, yet refuses to read his screen - I told you what to do 15 minutes ago |
| 06:10.15 | lvdsn | jm_, do you have the list of "dpkg commands" like that you give me /msg dpkg cd content ? |
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| 06:10.20 | HappyHobo | Bill1: what's your problem? Maybe I can help? I'm from a polite distribution. LOL |
| 06:10.40 | HappyHobo | There's the difference, we help everybody, it's all linux, it's all good |
| 06:10.42 | mdh | !lol |
| 06:10.42 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 06:10.47 | jm_ | lvdsn: no, you can use "listkeys" and "listvalues" to find them |
| 06:11.08 | HappyHobo | Bill1: hello? |
| 06:11.12 | jm_ | lvdsn: you can also download its entire database |
| 06:11.20 | jm_ | see - doesn't read his screen at all |
| 06:11.52 | lvdsn | jm_, how? /msg dpkg listvalues ? |
| 06:11.58 | jm_ | lvdsn: how what? |
| 06:12.11 | ke6isf | oy, they're starting early this weekend. |
| 06:12.13 | lvdsn | jm_, "listkeys" |
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| 06:12.23 | jm_ | lvdsn: uhm, /msg dpkg listkeys cd |
| 06:12.35 | bmonnens | hey, I'm looking for a server for data storage, I was thinking of a DELL power Edge 750 with serial SATA in raid 1 mode, but when I search after the controller it seems that it isn't supported under linux (or maybe just isn't a real raid controller) and that you have to use software raid, is this correct? |
| 06:12.42 | lvdsn | jm_, ok thanks |
| 06:12.48 | jm_ | lvdsn: bear in mind this only shows limited number of matches, you won't see all of them if there are many matches |
| 06:13.09 | jm_ | bmonnens: Linux SATA page will tell you what is supported |
| 06:13.13 | lvdsn | jm_, right |
| 06:13.27 | jm_ | bmonnens: and yes, 90% of them are software based solutions |
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| 06:15.02 | bmonnens | jm_, thnx will take a look there |
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| 06:17.29 | lvdsn | jm_, thanks |
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| 06:17.40 | Lanix | mdh: thank you sweety |
| 06:17.44 | jm_ | lvdsn: no worries |
| 06:18.10 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 06:19.55 | Lanix | mdh: what vercion of deb ur using ? |
| 06:20.20 | lvdsn | jm_, rdepends funcitions cool |
| 06:20.29 | jm_ | lvdsn: yes, it can be very handy |
| 06:20.35 | mdh | Lanix: sid |
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| 06:20.55 | BeeBux | hello |
| 06:20.56 | mdh | Lanix: on my workstation that is. most servers are running sarge |
| 06:21.08 | BeeBux | how do i enable autocomplete for apt ? |
| 06:21.10 | lvdsn | jm_, I think if i make a script I could link that output with the [parts] of the cd's, don't you ? |
| 06:21.30 | Bill1 | let me try again!! any iptables expert here? |
| 06:22.05 | maher | Bill1: ask a specific question |
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| 06:22.46 | Bill1 | i have firewall setup and can't use my system as a tftp client |
| 06:23.10 | jm_ | lvdsn: that's exactly why I suggested to use it |
| 06:23.19 | jm_ | BeeBux: apt-get? |
| 06:23.25 | BeeBux | yes jm_ |
| 06:23.30 | Lanix | i shud download 3.1 full |
| 06:23.37 | BeeBux | i want to enable autocompete of packages names |
| 06:23.50 | jm_ | BeeBux: enable it in your shell |
| 06:23.53 | Lanix | mdh: when i downlod the netinstall , sarge was not yet freez |
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| 06:24.08 | BeeBux | in my rc config file ? |
| 06:24.18 | Lanix | or do you sugest i get sid insted |
| 06:24.21 | BeeBux | ok I will try that, thank you |
| 06:24.30 | lvdsn | jm_, sorry i don't understand :( |
| 06:24.35 | jm_ | well yes |
| 06:24.38 | ^arky^ | Why does fluxbox themes are reconised as Assembler source by file program ? |
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| 06:25.25 | maher | Bill1: a) do you have ip_conntrack_tftp loaded b) why not turn off the fw temporarily? how often do you need to use ftp anyway? |
| 06:25.35 | maher | Bill1: s/ftp/tftp/ |
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| 06:26.14 | Bill1 | maher.. you are almost there!! |
| 06:26.27 | jm_ | Bill1: like I already said - firewall problems are often easily solved with decent logging rules |
| 06:26.55 | maher | Bill1: don't msg me |
| 06:26.59 | maher | Bill1: lsmod |
| 06:27.00 | hcy | hi, i'm using bittorrent (bittornado) and for the past few days, everything I download gets to like 99% and then keeps saying "piece 0 failed hash check, re-downloading it" over and over again, and never finishes. and the file is unusable as is. Anyone know what's going on, and how to fix it? It's happened on around three files already |
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| 06:27.22 | mepha | How do I mount a USB thumb drive? |
| 06:27.39 | bob2 | if you use gnome in sarge, it will automount |
| 06:27.46 | deadcat | mepha: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1, creaet /mnt/sda1 first. |
| 06:27.52 | mepha | Thank you :) |
| 06:28.00 | bob2 | it may not be sda1 |
| 06:28.04 | hcy | mepha: watch the syslog when you plug it in, find out what the dev is, then mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/thumb |
| 06:28.07 | ^arky^ | hi, how do look at the magic number of a document |
| 06:28.11 | bob2 | /var/log/messages will have the exact value |
| 06:28.15 | Bill1 | maher.. do you have a sample iptables config to enable tftp client function?? |
| 06:28.24 | jm_ | hcy: that's a problem with seeders |
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| 06:28.46 | maher | Bill1: the ip_conntrack_tftp module is meant to do that afaik - I really don't know anything about iptables |
| 06:28.48 | hcy | jm_: is it? 'cause the files have many seeders, and it's happened on more than one already |
| 06:29.01 | PandaKun | any ideas? /usr/bin/ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `../common/obj/malloc.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
| 06:29.04 | hcy | jm_: and it's always piece 0 |
| 06:29.18 | Bill1 | maher.. lsmod on what ?? |
| 06:29.35 | maher | Bill1: lsmod tells you what's loaded |
| 06:30.13 | Bill1 | it's loaded... but how do i enable it or use it in iptables command for tftp cleint |
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| 06:30.34 | jm_ | hcy: I've seen that happen once when they were seeding corrupt file (I know it because I already got a proper copy elsewhere) - I suppose all of them have the same corrupt copy, maybe you could try blocking each of them so it tries to download from the rest that are still unblocked to see if someone has a good copy |
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| 06:32.18 | jm_ | hcy: sometimes one can do without one chunk (usually if it's first or last), depending on its size and the files it covers |
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| 06:32.46 | hcy | jm_: it's an avi file and tells me there's no video stream |
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| 06:32.48 | spowers | what's the widget that debian-installer runs to detect other OSes on the computer for the lilo config and grub config? |
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| 06:33.11 | maher | Bill1: if its loaded it should work - how often are you going to be tftping? why not just turn the fw off temporarily |
| 06:33.56 | Smoked1 | I know that this is going to sound lame but I usually use a DNS service. If I install BIND and setup a zone for a site on the server can I then point the name servers with my registrar to ns.mysite&server.com and host my own DNS? |
| 06:34.01 | Bill1 | maher.. how do u turn off fw?? |
| 06:34.07 | jm_ | hcy: ahh yes, then it's needed |
| 06:34.11 | bob2 | Smoked1: yes |
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| 06:34.19 | maher | Bill1: how do you turn on your fw? did you set up this box? |
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| 06:34.21 | bob2 | Smoked1: doing that on your home dsl is a bad idea, tho |
| 06:34.40 | stouse1 | Fuck I'm lucky. |
| 06:34.43 | Smoked1 | bob2: it's a dedicated server in a data cente |
| 06:34.50 | Smoked1 | center |
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| 06:35.18 | maher | Smoked1: you can do that, but ideally you would want to have two separate dns servers for redundancy |
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| 06:35.20 | PandaKun | so.. |
| 06:35.32 | stouset | I remembered that the Penny Arcade limited edition CTS cel was going up the other day, so I went to ThinkGeek and ordered it. |
| 06:35.34 | PandaKun | =o /usr/bin/ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `../common/obj/malloc.o' is incompatible with i386 output |
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| 06:35.39 | bob2 | Smoked1: 'tis fine then |
| 06:35.39 | stouset | Turns out I hit the magical thirty-minute window before it sold out. |
| 06:35.44 | bob2 | Smoked1: you need backup servers, tho |
| 06:35.50 | bob2 | Smoked1: your isp or host might do that for you |
| 06:35.59 | bob2 | Smoked1: or you can use granitecanyon.com or zoneedit.com |
| 06:36.01 | bob2 | or con your friends |
| 06:36.48 | Smoked1 | I have a few unix and windows servers on the net that I could setup secondary dns on |
| 06:37.00 | Coke | bob2: yeahehe, like the time I borrowed your car for "business purposes" and got arrested on the Nevada state highway with a dead hooker in the trunk. |
| 06:37.12 | bob2 | Smoked1: are they hosted at different places? |
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| 06:37.20 | Smoked1 | yes they are |
| 06:37.24 | stouset | Coke: That dead hooker was my wife, you insensitive clod! |
| 06:37.27 | bob2 | Coke: hey, it's your fault for not dumping it |
| 06:37.49 | maher | Smoked1: if you have simple needs zoneedit would probably suffice - i use zoneedit and they sem to work |
| 06:38.13 | Smoked1 | i could probably use four servers if I needed but never did because I never had a paid dns service go down till now |
| 06:38.18 | bob2 | Smoked1: but yeah, running your dns is a bit complicated, and the consequences of fucking up could be all your mail disappearing |
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| 06:38.29 | bob2 | presumably your registrar will do it for free? |
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| 06:39.14 | Smoked1 | my fear that hosting your own dns is a bitch has been confirmed |
| 06:39.16 | Smoked1 | LOL |
| 06:39.26 | Smoked1 | Exactly why I have put it off |
| 06:39.28 | bob2 | joker certainly does |
| 06:39.28 | stouset | It's not a bitch. |
| 06:39.30 | stouset | It's not even all that hard. |
| 06:39.35 | stouset | It's just prone to catastrophic failure. |
| 06:39.40 | bob2 | yeah |
| 06:39.56 | Bill1 | maher.. how do u turn off fw? |
| 06:40.06 | Jordy | I'm trying to netboot an SGI Indy for installation. After typing bootp(): on the Indy's console, the Indy broadcasts a bootp request, and the bootp server responds. The Indy, however, never sees the response packet. Using dhcp -f -d and tcpdump, I can see that the bootp server is sending and receiving packets. The Indy is running on PROM version 5.3 rev B7. The bootp server is a Pentium 3 running on sarge with the 2.4.27-2-386 kernel. I've tried th |
| 06:40.13 | Smoked1 | well.. catastrophic failure is abitch is it not? |
| 06:40.18 | stouset | Bill1: Depends on what firewall you've installed. |
| 06:40.21 | bob2 | Jordy: which howto are you using? |
| 06:40.29 | bob2 | Jordy: and did you configure the tftp server to only use low ports? |
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| 06:40.39 | maher | Bill1: it depends on what fw sw you are using - how do you turn on your fw? |
| 06:40.56 | Bill1 | maher.. fw-> formware? |
| 06:40.59 | Jordy | bob2: For the second question, I believe ip_local_port_range does that... doesn't it? |
| 06:41.02 | Bill1 | maher.. fw-> firmware? |
| 06:41.03 | maher | Bill1: fw = firewire |
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| 06:41.07 | maher | Bill1: fw = firewall |
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| 06:41.11 | bob2 | Jordy: I don't remember, I installed my indy long ago |
| 06:41.22 | bob2 | I should dist-upgrade before I lose my bandwidth |
| 06:41.27 | Jordy | bob2: As for the howto, I started off with http://www.zorg.org/linux/indy.shtml, but have Googled many more. |
| 06:41.34 | Bill1 | maher.. i use iptable command.. which i can never turn off |
| 06:41.56 | bob2 | Jordy: you're sure the server sees the bootp request? |
| 06:41.57 | stouset | Bill1: Yes you can. iptables --purge |
| 06:42.01 | bob2 | Jordy: and did you try another cable? |
| 06:42.05 | bob2 | worth a shot |
| 06:42.06 | exobyte | I'm hacking some router firmware. I plugged in a usb device, it shows up, dmesg gives it a /dev entry, but there is no such entry. touch creates it, right? |
| 06:42.19 | PandaKun | =o |
| 06:42.21 | maher | exobyte: MAKEDEV |
| 06:42.21 | PandaKun | rwar so no one knows |
| 06:42.23 | ohad_ | i am trying to setup ieee80211 - http://ieee80211.sourceforge.net/. also trying to install ipw2200 - ideas on how tow setup my wireless.. ideas |
| 06:42.24 | stouset | exobyte: is it possible to install udev? |
| 06:42.29 | Jordy | bob2:Y Yes to both. And different router ports. As well, I dropped the wireless card on the bootp server for simplicity. |
| 06:42.30 | bob2 | PandaKun: did you ask on the list yet? |
| 06:42.39 | bob2 | Jordy: ah, ok |
| 06:42.44 | stouset | exobyte: And no, MAKEDEV usually creates device nodes. |
| 06:42.53 | bob2 | ohad_: do you have the ipw2200 driver working by itself yet? |
| 06:43.07 | ohad_ | bob2, nope :/ i am trying to install it.. |
| 06:43.30 | bob2 | ohad_: ignore the first url then |
| 06:43.41 | bob2 | ohad_: and install the ipw2200-source package and follow the instructions |
| 06:43.41 | exobyte | maher: stouset: thx |
| 06:44.28 | bob2 | Jordy: I think I followed http://www.pvv.org/~pladsen/Indy/HOWTO.html, except with dhcp3-server |
| 06:44.37 | bob2 | Jordy: are you using the tftp server the guide recommended? |
| 06:44.46 | bob2 | each tftp server seems to only work for some machines |
| 06:45.14 | Jordy | bob2: I'm not sure that matters -- it doesn't get to the downloading phase of its bootup. |
| 06:45.35 | PandaKun | bob2 |
| 06:45.36 | PandaKun | i already di |
| 06:45.36 | PandaKun | gg |
| 06:45.40 | PandaKun | i fixed it |
| 06:45.41 | PandaKun | i wonder how |
| 06:45.41 | PandaKun | LOL. |
| 06:45.46 | PandaKun | no more errors it seems!! |
| 06:45.53 | PandaKun | what on earth did i do |
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| 06:46.12 | litage | when i quit out of a manpage on 1 of my machines, i get back to the prompt but the last screen-worth of manpage data still shows, whereas on another machine, no manpage data shows after exiting. how can i change the first machine to act like the 2nd? |
| 06:46.24 | ohad_ | bob2, ok |
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| 06:47.08 | Jordy | Maybe I should downgrade the kernel to 2.2. According to Google, ip_no_pmtu_disc was made standards-conformant in 2.4, and that broke PXE and Indy compatibility. |
| 06:47.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You there? |
| 06:47.38 | ohad_ | bob2, when i try to run ipw2200-1.0.6 -- and run 'make' i get the following error ERROR: ieee80211.h not found in '/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/include'. |
| 06:47.58 | bob2 | ohad_: so, you read the instructions that came with the package? |
| 06:48.08 | ohad_ | yes |
| 06:48.14 | dondelelcaro | or you use module-assistant |
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| 06:48.23 | Jordy | bob2: What kernel version were you using when you installed debain-mips last? |
| 06:48.32 | bob2 | Jordy: I don't remember, sorry |
| 06:48.33 | TwistedEmotions | anyone know the name of the program that allows me to run programs without using a terminal? it's for openbox or fluxbox and it just pops open a little box and you type the command in there.. |
| 06:48.39 | bob2 | Jordy: I think I may have used 2.2, now you mention it |
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| 06:48.50 | jm_ | Jordy: you can disable that at run-time |
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| 06:49.11 | jm_ | I have used 2.2 and 2.4 with my NeXT, both worked OK |
| 06:49.30 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: there's a bunch of them; grun is one |
| 06:49.51 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: xexec is another |
| 06:49.53 | chealer | ohad_: use the Debian package |
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| 06:50.13 | ohad_ | chealer, which one? |
| 06:50.27 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: not that it should matter, since most well behaved debian packages should install non-terminal apps into the menu. |
| 06:50.38 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: er... neither work.. I set it up in my hot keys and now I forgot the command... trying to find the hotkey file.. |
| 06:50.43 | chealer | ohad_: ipw2200-source |
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| 06:51.11 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: then less .config/openbox/rc.xml |
| 06:51.16 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you're using openbox) |
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| 06:51.31 | ohad_ | chealer, i am installing it from source |
| 06:51.52 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: no I setup a command that starts a bunch of programs for me but since its a alias it's not working in that program... want to find out why.. |
| 06:52.36 | exobyte | If I'm trying to save space, will stripping a module save a little? |
| 06:52.37 | chealer | ohad_: Debian (contrib) ships the source |
| 06:52.54 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: found it... called fbrun |
| 06:52.55 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: it won't work, because an alias requires a specific shell. |
| 06:52.56 | tbx | maher: I am getting IRQ probe errors on my dvd/cdr. The drive works outside debian, e.g. it shows up in bios and boots bootable disks and runs fine. |
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| 06:52.56 | bob2 | exobyte: I'd think they're stripped already |
| 06:53.14 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: anyway to get around that? |
| 06:53.20 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: if you want something like that, write a shell script that does it instead, and make sure that your path is set correctly. |
| 06:53.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what the f? (= |
| 06:53.42 | exobyte | bob2: I did file one that was JUST compiled, nothing more, and it isn't |
| 06:53.46 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: finished the classes? |
| 06:53.58 | prodope | what's up with apt sources for sid? |
| 06:54.04 | deadcat | prodope: nothing |
| 06:54.14 | bob2 | exobyte: hm, seems they're not in the kernel-packages, either |
| 06:54.16 | maher | tbx: try different kernels / rearrange your hardware cable at random |
| 06:54.20 | bob2 | exobyte: it might save some small amount of space |
| 06:54.25 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: since I cant get fluxbox to run the programs that I want when it starts I made a aliases called "start" and it opens all the right programs but fbrun wont run it ;P |
| 06:54.26 | prodope | i keep getting gpg errors |
| 06:54.36 | exobyte | bob2: yay!! space. At what cost is this space? |
| 06:54.36 | bob2 | exobyte: or it might break them, I'm not sure if strip knows not to touch the elf headers linux kernel modules use |
| 06:54.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: needs a terminal I guess ;P |
| 06:54.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah |
| 06:54.47 | exobyte | bob2: heh eh |
| 06:54.47 | tbx | maher: the drive is a slimline, so no jumpers are available. it is set to be master, so there is only one option for placement. |
| 06:54.53 | litage | how does one change the default pager? |
| 06:54.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you using a .xsession file right? |
| 06:54.57 | maher | TwistedEmotions: can't you just put stuff in .xinitrc |
| 06:54.58 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: got a final project due on monday but thats it.. |
| 06:55.00 | exobyte | bob2: thx. Maybe I'll rethink that |
| 06:55.10 | bob2 | exobyte: back it up, anyway |
| 06:55.10 | maher | tbx: try different kernels then |
| 06:55.13 | bob2 | and have a boot disk |
| 06:55.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I put it in bashrc |
| 06:55.18 | ohad_ | bob2, for some reason i am getting the following error --/ipw2200-1.0.6# make ERROR: ieee80211.h not found in '/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/include'. You need to install the ieee80211 subsystem from http://ieee80211.sf.net and point this build to the location where you installed those sources, eg.: |
| 06:55.26 | bob2 | litage: repoint sensible-pager |
| 06:55.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: thats not the way to go. |
| 06:55.33 | tbx | maher: it /was/ working with this kernel a few days ago. I don't know what changed. |
| 06:55.35 | bob2 | litage: sudo update-alternatives --config sensible-pager |
| 06:55.42 | ohad_ | bob2, am i missing any pkg? |
| 06:55.44 | maher | tbx: random hardware failure |
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| 06:56.12 | ohad_ | bob2, i thoughti didn't have to install ieee80211 |
| 06:56.28 | litage | thanks bob2 |
| 06:56.30 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I still cant get your .xsession file to run when fluxbox opens ;P It works for the other guis that I hate but not fucking fluxbox.. |
| 06:56.38 | chealer | ohad_: why don't you use the debian sources? |
| 06:56.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what the f man. it works. |
| 06:56.57 | bob2 | ohad_: you installed the ipw2200-source debian package, right? |
| 06:56.59 | ohad_ | chealer, i need to find the source for that. i don't have it in my source.list |
| 06:57.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: brb. |
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| 06:57.43 | tbx | maher: that doesn't computer. as I said, I can reboot the machine and it powers right into any bootable disk I care to stick in it. It has to be OS related. |
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| 06:58.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: when I set it for xfce session it works but not fluxbox... brb... going to fluxbox |
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| 06:58.54 | chealer | !contrib |
| 06:58.54 | dpkg | contrib is probably debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
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| 06:59.06 | chealer | ohad_: you need a contrib source |
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| 06:59.32 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 06:59.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont know what to say man.because it fucking works (= |
| 06:59.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah... works for xfce but not flux ;( |
| 06:59.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: where does it fail? |
| 07:00.22 | maher | tbx: use the kernel from one of the bootable discs |
| 07:00.24 | RoundQube | i have deian on a main drive and a free backup 80 gig drive. I cannot install windows on the secondary because the installation requires temp files to be put on 1st drive (where linux resides). What are my options? |
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| 07:00.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: errr..? |
| 07:00.43 | RoundQube | i want to have dual boot but i have too much time invested on this linux box to go install windows first then linux again |
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| 07:00.59 | maher | RoundQube: unplug the linux hd - install windows - replug |
| 07:01.04 | tbx | maher: I am using a stock kernel, and this stock kernel was working with this drive only a few days ago. |
| 07:01.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: want to ssh? |
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| 07:01.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok |
| 07:01.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i HAVE to find out what the f is going on (= |
| 07:01.28 | RoundQube | maher: will i have to make some alterations to grub config? |
| 07:01.30 | maher | tbx: so why should the sw suddenly change? cosmic rays? |
| 07:01.39 | maher | RoundQube: yes |
| 07:01.45 | tbx | maher: that's what I would like to know, bro! |
| 07:01.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: it's open. |
| 07:01.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: so you going to LA tomorrow? |
| 07:01.54 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok |
| 07:02.04 | maher | tbx: run debsums to check the binaries |
| 07:02.29 | TwistedEmotions | dont think so... ;P me and my X-girlfriend broke up again ;) Weeee |
| 07:02.35 | RoundQube | maher: so after i replug them, i should be booting into linux by default again correct? I just need to add the windows partition to the grub config? |
| 07:02.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: that was fast. (= |
| 07:02.48 | maher | RoundQube: yes |
| 07:02.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ip |
| 07:02.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahah we lasted like 8 hours |
| 07:02.58 | TwistedEmotions | hahah whoops forgot that. |
| 07:03.03 | deadcat | haha |
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| 07:03.31 | RoundQube | maher: thanks |
| 07:03.44 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: too much drama eh? my friend said her ex was gonna go over to his place but too much drama so he didnt let her in. (=. he said not worth the sex hahah |
| 07:04.12 | ohad_ | bob2, what is the next step after i apt-get'd the ipw2200-source pkg? |
| 07:04.18 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: in. do it as linux right? |
| 07:04.26 | ohad_ | bob2, can't find any doc for that process... |
| 07:04.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahahahha didnt let her in? good for him... |
| 07:04.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah... screen -x? |
| 07:04.46 | bob2 | ohad_: all packages put documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
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| 07:04.55 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. screen -x as root |
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| 07:08.19 | Jordy | bob2: Hm, 2.2's apparently out of the question. Know if 2.6 implements any changes related to ip_no_pmtu_disc? |
| 07:08.43 | bob2 | no, sorry |
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| 07:08.50 | bob2 | I don't think 2.6 existed last time I instaleld it |
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| 07:09.08 | Jordy | bob2: Okay. Thanks for the help. |
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| 07:09.13 | litage | how does one determine which pkg a file belongs to? |
| 07:09.28 | resiak | dpkg -S |
| 07:09.39 | exobyte | bob2: well, somthing's seg faulting.. so unless having te dev plugged in makes a difference.. |
| 07:09.55 | bob2 | is the kernel oopsing? |
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| 07:10.47 | exobyte | bob2: insmod. stip cut the size down WAY too much |
| 07:11.01 | exobyte | bob2: like 40k to 20k |
| 07:11.06 | bob2 | if insmod is segfaulting, you've probably oopsed the kernel |
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| 07:11.43 | exobyte | bob2: so much for that idea |
| 07:11.50 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:12.08 | litage | bob2: when i run `update-alternatives --config sensible-pager`, it says there aren't any alternatives |
| 07:12.23 | bob2 | then install less |
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| 07:12.29 | bob2 | the package "less" |
| 07:12.53 | litage | bob2: less is installed |
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| 07:13.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you disconnect? |
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| 07:15.53 | concept10 | Why are distros switching from xfree86 to xorg? (including debian) Whats the point? |
| 07:16.04 | bob2 | xfree86 is basically abandoned |
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| 07:16.14 | bob2 | because one of the head idiots changed the license |
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| 07:16.27 | simonrvn | there's a big beautiful point |
| 07:16.27 | bob2 | to something that was at least GPL-incompaitble, and possibly non-free |
| 07:16.29 | gusar612 | Hello! What is the best way to set ip forwarding on? |
| 07:16.45 | bob2 | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 07:16.48 | reamtS | !tell concept10 about xorg |
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| 07:16.58 | gusar612 | k |
| 07:17.21 | simonrvn | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 07:17.44 | simonrvn | and set in /etc/sysctl.conf that way (without the 'sysctl -w') |
| 07:17.48 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:17.53 | bob2 | so now x.org has more features, better drivers, all the smart X people working on it, AND a better license |
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| 07:18.52 | reamtS | bob2: what do you mean by 'better license'? |
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| 07:19.24 | bob2 | it's under the MIT/X11 original license, insetead of the new xfree86 one |
| 07:19.30 | bob2 | which is at least gpl-incompatible |
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| 07:20.07 | reamtS | aaaaah |
| 07:20.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i am going to try the default thing on my machine |
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| 07:20.27 | bob2 | so no more emacs! |
| 07:20.32 | bob2 | tho some people may agree with that |
| 07:20.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk |
| 07:20.47 | kneet | bob2, there's life without emacs? |
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| 07:20.55 | bob2 | not here |
| 07:21.01 | resiak | kneet: Yes. Some people call it heaven. |
| 07:21.01 | bmonnens | Does anybody know a 1U server with a real SATA hardware controller? Can't seem to find one :( |
| 07:21.25 | bob2 | the IBM 1U ones don't have hardware sata? |
| 07:21.30 | kneet | resiak, poor people :) (No - I don't really want to start an editor war :)) |
| 07:21.38 | jm_ | he probably means SATA hardware RAID |
| 07:21.56 | gusar612 | so i add the line "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" in /etc/sysctl.conf and it should work? |
| 07:21.59 | bmonnens | whoeps, yes I did mean SATA hw raid |
| 07:21.59 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason why you can't shoehorn a 3ware card into a 1U server |
| 07:22.01 | bob2 | er, yeah, I meant raid |
| 07:22.05 | bob2 | gusar612: after a reboot, yes |
| 07:22.11 | gusar612 | thanks |
| 07:22.15 | resiak | kneet: Hey, don't look at me. I use cat, echo, sed and awk as my editor ;) |
| 07:22.23 | dondelelcaro | (unless you were planning on using your single PCI card slot on a riser for something else) |
| 07:22.31 | kneet | resiak, weeelll - have to say I use those too :) |
| 07:22.36 | bmonnens | dondelelcaro, nope don't plan to |
| 07:22.42 | resiak | kneet: But _only_ those? |
| 07:22.50 | streuner_ | 10.000.000 bucks is a lot of money, isn't it? ;-) |
| 07:23.13 | buu | Ten dollars?! |
| 07:23.17 | kneet | resiak, no - I spend most of my time in emacs - news, email, programming ..... |
| 07:23.17 | bmonnens | dondelelcaro, done that before? |
| 07:23.43 | dondelelcaro | bmonnens: I've got a 3ware card here that will fit in most of the 1Us that I've seen... but no, I haven't stuck one in a 1U recently. |
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| 07:24.12 | dondelelcaro | bmonnens: just ask your vendor for the max size PCI card that can be stuck in the slot, and see what the size is of the 3ware card you want |
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| 07:24.53 | dondelelcaro | (although, if you really want HW raid, I'd almost go for a 2U server and stick 6-8 drives in the thing |
| 07:25.00 | dondelelcaro | rr... 6-9 |
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| 07:25.53 | bmonnens | dondelelcaro, I'ld prefer that 2 but I got told to search for a 1U server |
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| 07:27.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: your box is fucked (= works fine with flux on gdm here. |
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| 07:27.52 | dondelelcaro | bmonnens: ah... well, I see no reason why it can't be done; just make sure you figure out the size limitations beforehand. |
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| 07:29.25 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know why myspace is always so slow? I know it's a absolutely useless site.. but you would figure with millions of users they would upgrade the "Expert Dsl Package" instead of the basic dsl that they run their servers off of... |
| 07:29.25 | peter__ | hi guys |
| 07:30.11 | bibe | hi peter__ |
| 07:30.16 | peter__ | does anybody know a good smtp relay checker? |
| 07:30.35 | Shadur | peter__: telnet |
| 07:30.41 | peter__ | yes |
| 07:31.15 | peter__ | but i have to scan lots of hosts...customers in my networks. and i don't want them to have an open relay behind our main smtp-server |
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| 07:31.35 | peter__ | so telnet is not very useful in this situation |
| 07:31.39 | bob2 | I've used ordb.org in the past |
| 07:32.14 | peter__ | we use dsbl.org and cbl.abuseat.org. and now we want to send our own customers to block their e-mail traffic if they are an open relay |
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| 07:32.35 | ^arky^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.36 | peter__ | we want to SCAN our own customers... sorry |
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| 07:34.51 | taec | peter__: what MTA are you using? postfix allows this functionality out of the box |
| 07:35.01 | L6C6F6R | hi |
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| 07:36.26 | peter__ | i don't know which smtp-servers my customers use |
| 07:38.13 | taec | Oh, an SMTP relay checker, I thought you meant your clients were relaying through you. |
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| 07:38.38 | r_marvin | peter__: you should take a look at the test you get whn telnatting to relay-test.mail-abuse.org , and make a clone of that |
| 07:39.00 | r_marvin | damn keyboard |
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| 07:40.34 | klark | ? |
| 07:40.39 | L6C6F6R | anyone got a good source.list for sarge? |
| 07:41.07 | klark | what is the program debian uses to install the base components? |
| 07:41.57 | bibe | L6C6F6R : http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/sarge/sources.list.txt and http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/sarge/preferences.txt |
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| 07:42.26 | bibe | use BOTH as /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences |
| 07:42.41 | L6C6F6R | bibe: ok; thanx i'll try that :) |
| 07:43.10 | bibe | you'll have the plain sarge, plus updates, plus volatile (recent versions of ClamAV, Spamassassin, /etc/) |
| 07:43.22 | taec | peter__: with DSBL lists, you simply have to see if for any of your ip addresses 1.2.3.4 that 4.3.2.1.list.dsbl.org resolves. CBL is pretty much the same, you check whether there's an entry in DNS. It shouldn't take more an 10/15 minutes to do up a script that would check every IP address in your network |
| 07:43.45 | bibe | plus Marillat's (multimedia packages with license issues) |
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| 07:44.17 | bibe | and you'll be able to install some packages from testing and/or unstable |
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| 07:46.35 | L6C6F6R | will apt-get update remove the rem-med (#) mirrors? |
| 07:46.52 | bibe | it won't take them into count |
| 07:46.58 | streuner_ | no |
| 07:47.26 | streuner_ | if you talking about those entries which are usually in sources.list |
| 07:47.46 | L6C6F6R | ok thnx |
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| 07:49.27 | L6C6F6R | my overall impression of debian is , that it's faster then redhat and mandrake/mandriva :d |
| 07:49.41 | L6C6F6R | and suse |
| 07:50.11 | cplx | I find it more stable aswell.. |
| 07:50.16 | cplx | alot |
| 07:50.29 | L6C6F6R | yes! no kde crashes :) |
| 07:50.47 | cplx | xfce ;D |
| 07:50.49 | cplx | gdm |
| 07:50.52 | ^arky^ | where can I find libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1), sid has 4.0.0-9 ? |
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| 07:51.29 | L6C6F6R | never tried Xfce |
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| 07:52.43 | L6C6F6R | although artsd does weird things. even when i kill it amarok stops playing music and I here noise with longer interval (must be the decay of or something) |
| 07:52.53 | L6C6F6R | is it artsd coming back? |
| 07:53.08 | L6C6F6R | wasnt able to config that |
| 07:53.09 | bob2 | ^arky^: what your trying to install? |
| 07:53.37 | ^arky^ | xpdf version 3.00-14 |
| 07:53.44 | bob2 | ^arky^: from where? |
| 07:54.26 | ^arky^ | http://ring.asahi-net.or.jp/archives/linux/debian/debian/ |
| 07:54.32 | L6C6F6R | ^arky^: why not install acrobat reader 7 for unix? |
| 07:54.42 | bob2 | just wait then |
| 07:54.50 | bob2 | or compile it from source |
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| 07:55.19 | L6C6F6R | btw; anyone has problems too with vlc not playing sound ? and the mozilla-plugin-vlc? |
| 07:55.29 | belracu | #flood need help in pci resource allocation |
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| 07:56.33 | PandaKun | Cannot access '/dev/pts/4': No such file or directory |
| 07:56.34 | PandaKun | any idea? |
| 07:56.36 | PandaKun | im in a chroot. |
| 07:56.39 | PandaKun | and im trying to use screen |
| 07:56.44 | bob2 | you didn't mount devpts |
| 07:56.47 | PandaKun | how |
| 07:56.52 | bob2 | look at the output of "mount" outside the chroot |
| 07:56.53 | PandaKun | that fstab |
| 07:56.55 | bob2 | look at it again inside it |
| 07:56.58 | bob2 | then mount it |
| 07:57.05 | PandaKun | i moutned /dev |
| 07:57.24 | bob2 | yes |
| 07:57.28 | bob2 | I said devpts, not /dev |
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| 07:58.20 | PandaKun | worked |
| 07:58.21 | PandaKun | thanks bob. |
| 07:58.39 | kimo | anyone got a streaming pr0n source :) |
| 07:58.54 | L6C6F6R | bibe: is it normal that is downgrading gaim to 1.2.1 (i head 1.3.1 if not mistaken) |
| 07:59.16 | streuner_ | kimo: troll somewhere else. |
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| 08:00.07 | wobbler | ^arky^: xpdf3.00-13 is in sarge |
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| 08:01.02 | ircdevil | printer trouble shooting help wanted. print setup used to word, but now this morning it doesnt. i dont believe i have changed anything in my printer setup, so maybe the network administrators changed something (these are network printers) |
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| 08:01.58 | ircdevil | nmap of printers show that they are up and ports are open |
| 08:02.05 | ircdevil | ? |
| 08:02.10 | ^arky^ | wobbler, I have xpdf 3.00-13 install was trying to get and build 3.00-14 |
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| 08:02.31 | PandaKun | finally. |
| 08:02.33 | wobbler | ^arky^: ok |
| 08:02.39 | PandaKun | got my 32bit to compile on my 64 |
| 08:02.39 | PandaKun | rawr. |
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| 08:03.08 | TheScorp | Uhm, this is a little embarrassing, but could someone tell me where I can find a rescue disc? :/ |
| 08:03.13 | TheScorp | Floppy disc that is. |
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| 08:03.43 | bob2 | there aren't any debian ones, really |
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| 08:03.56 | bob2 | a floppy isn't big enough to usefully boot a wide varity of machines anymore |
| 08:04.03 | bob2 | you'd be better off using a livecd |
| 08:04.03 | TheScorp | Urk. |
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| 08:04.14 | TheScorp | The thing is that I have managed to screw my lilo.. |
| 08:04.36 | bob2 | and you can't boot from cd? |
| 08:04.36 | TheScorp | And since my cdrom is on a controller card, which my bios does not recognise from the beginning, I cant really boot from cd.. |
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| 08:04.42 | bob2 | ouch |
| 08:04.51 | bob2 | how did you install it to begi nwith? |
| 08:05.04 | TheScorp | bob2: Well, back then I did not have 14 harddrives in it ;) |
| 08:05.13 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 08:05.20 | TheScorp | And now I am afraid that I will screw up the LVM. |
| 08:05.41 | TheScorp | resiak: Hum, whats that? :) |
| 08:05.52 | resiak | !fgi TheScorp tomsrtbt |
| 08:05.53 | dpkg | TheScorp: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=tomsrtbt |
| 08:06.10 | TheScorp | hehe |
| 08:06.12 | TheScorp | I already did ;) |
| 08:06.20 | resiak | So why did you ask ? :) |
| 08:06.32 | TheScorp | Because I tend to ask to much :) |
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| 08:08.11 | L6C6F6R | who is using mozilla-plugin-vlc and who is usering mplayerplugin (and is there any othe alternative) |
| 08:08.16 | TheScorp | Oh, thank god that I actually have a floppy drive on one of my other computers :p |
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| 08:08.28 | ohad_ | hi, i want to send my laptop to suspend when closing the lid of it |
| 08:08.42 | bob2 | probably not going to happen |
| 08:08.43 | ohad_ | (thinkpad x40) - |
| 08:08.45 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know why unstable is so unstable? |
| 08:08.47 | bob2 | oh, x40 |
| 08:08.50 | bob2 | that'll work fine |
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| 08:09.07 | ohad_ | bob2, how (btw - i got the wireless to work:)) |
| 08:09.09 | ohad_ | bob2, thx |
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| 08:09.40 | ohad_ | bob2, i tried it before and didn't happen. I hope i will not have to recompile my kernel |
| 08:09.50 | bob2 | oh, of course it's not the default |
| 08:09.57 | bob2 | it will fuck up on the vast majority of machines in Debian |
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| 08:10.16 | ohad_ | bob2, i am running sarge on 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 08:10.24 | L6C6F6R | my wirelss ipw2200 worked suddenly |
| 08:10.35 | L6C6F6R | but how...no idea |
| 08:10.44 | L6C6F6R | apt-get upgrade maybe |
| 08:10.53 | bob2 | 2.6.8 is kinda old |
| 08:10.57 | TheScorp | I had a problem with that on my HPC. Had a problem with it shutting down the signal, so had to enable it hardcore. |
| 08:11.02 | bob2 | and cpi-support doesn't appear to be in debian |
| 08:11.04 | bob2 | that's shitty |
| 08:11.05 | L6C6F6R | ive got 2.6.8 too |
| 08:11.07 | TheScorp | That was back when I used gentoo.. |
| 08:11.20 | ohad_ | bob2, suggestions for an easy upgrade? or way to suspend? |
| 08:11.22 | StijnT | bob2: acpi-support is from ubunto afaik |
| 08:11.33 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Because that's why it exists... |
| 08:11.34 | bob2 | yeah, I know |
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| 08:11.57 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: You lie... I think it's just to tick me off... |
| 08:12.08 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Whatever. |
| 08:12.19 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: ;) |
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| 08:12.41 | bob2 | hm, not simply it seems |
| 08:13.26 | sanxiyn | Hm, I heard that MS got a patent on "custom emoticons". |
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| 08:13.41 | sanxiyn | To be precise, "Methods and devices for creating and transferring custom emoticons allow a user to adopt an arbitrary image as an emoticon, which can then be represented by a character sequence in real-time communication." |
| 08:13.47 | resiak | sanxiyn: No, they got a patent on sending them as part of the IM data stream. |
| 08:13.51 | TheScorp | Ok, now for the floppy hunt... |
| 08:13.56 | dcn | Hi all, I'm trying to install sarge from netinst and behind a http proxy. but the auth. failed because my username is composed of 2 words and the password contains a @ ...any idea to let my install debian? |
| 08:13.58 | bob2 | crap patents, film at a11 |
| 08:14.01 | ohad_ | bob2, any ideas? |
| 08:14.09 | ircdevil | oook - i can ftp directly to the printers and put a ps file - and that works. then it is my cups that is fucked? |
| 08:14.16 | bob2 | ohad_: it'll be painful to do without acpi-support |
| 08:14.24 | bob2 | ohad_: I'd probably just get suspend-to-disk working, myself |
| 08:14.57 | ohad_ | bob2, how should i go about doing that? |
| 08:15.08 | StijnT | dcn: try manually editing file in /etc/apt/ where the proxy stuff is in |
| 08:15.48 | ohad_ | bob2, kernel-patch-suspend2? |
| 08:16.03 | bob2 | ohad_: http://www.emcken.dk/weblog/categories/3-Debian |
| 08:16.09 | bob2 | that has lots of info about it |
| 08:16.22 | ircdevil | hmmmmmmmm |
| 08:16.33 | liable | ohad_: theres quite a few blogs from people on the web, saying how they got shit to work on thinkpads. try tuxmobil for a start. |
| 08:16.39 | dcn | well it's the same problem, the syntax used seems to not make possible the use of 2 words and @ .. because their're no separator for special char |
| 08:16.39 | ircdevil | one thought - does privoxy interfere with cups ? |
| 08:16.55 | bob2 | dcn: try foo%20bar |
| 08:17.10 | bob2 | spaces in user names is just dumb, tho |
| 08:17.30 | dcn | bob2: lol, I know it's dumb, just saiy it to my admin |
| 08:17.59 | ircdevil | no - that is not it :o( |
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| 08:19.06 | ohad_ | bob2, so i have to upgrade to 2.6.9 kernel |
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| 08:20.15 | bob2 | ohad_: I didn't on ubuntu, but I don't how much of that was magic patching |
| 08:20.27 | bob2 | ohad_: installing acpi-support from ubuntu will help, I think |
| 08:20.55 | liable | ohad_: for what? I think pretty much everything you need is in the 2.6.8, but I cant remember if its compiled or not. (so you may need to compile a kernel) |
| 08:21.27 | ohad_ | bob2, where do i install/ how do install it from ubuntu? |
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| 08:22.14 | bob2 | ohad_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/acpi-support will let you download it |
| 08:22.22 | bob2 | you'll need vbetool and laptop-mode fro mthere, too |
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| 08:23.34 | sobersabre | hi |
| 08:23.36 | ohad_ | bob2, it says that it is for amd64 |
| 08:23.47 | bob2 | ohad_: then get the ones for your architecture |
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| 08:24.13 | L6C6F6R | anyone experience with bluez and gnokii? |
| 08:24.18 | ohad_ | bob2, i will need to vbetool? what is laptop-mode? |
| 08:24.27 | bob2 | ohad_: read their package descriptions |
| 08:24.31 | TheScorp | Are there anyway to get to reinstall grub, or alter lilo.config by just using the innstallation cd of debian? |
| 08:24.52 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:24.58 | bob2 | chroot into your hard disks |
| 08:25.40 | TheScorp | Ok. Thanks. |
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| 08:27.04 | ohad_ | bob2, these are .deb files. can't i just run dpkg -i on them ? |
| 08:27.20 | bob2 | yes... |
| 08:27.23 | bob2 | if you got the right ones |
| 08:28.04 | TheScorp | Whats the command for reinnstalling lilo? |
| 08:28.06 | daos | can someone help me with host header redirection? I want to do host header redirection and I know iptables won't do it, suggestions on what I can use? will squid redirect on host headers? |
| 08:28.21 | ohad_ | bob2, ok. let me try and install them |
| 08:28.45 | bob2 | daos: is http the magic word you left out of your question? |
| 08:28.50 | bob2 | if so, apace and mod_proxy |
| 08:29.01 | daos | bob2: sorry YES :) |
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| 08:29.38 | daos | bob2: they standard packages? |
| 08:29.58 | liable | no, there ubuntu packages... |
| 08:30.14 | bob2 | you haven't heard of apache? |
| 08:30.33 | sanxiyn | Heh. |
| 08:30.44 | daos | oh right, sorry I wasn't sure what apace was |
| 08:30.53 | liable | gah, wrong person. lart me :P |
| 08:31.02 | daos | I run apache |
| 08:31.11 | bob2 | oh, typo, my mistake, sorry |
| 08:31.25 | daos | all good thanks for the response :DD |
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| 08:33.31 | lesshaste | hi.. where would I find deb packages for bleeding edge kernels? |
| 08:33.33 | ohad_ | bob2, ok. finished install all of those pkgs. should i try it now or should i restart? |
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| 08:34.10 | bob2 | ohad_: restarting acpid should be enough |
| 08:34.17 | ohad_ | bob2, ok |
| 08:34.17 | ethics | lesshaste just grab source and use kpkg |
| 08:34.20 | ohad_ | bob2, thx |
| 08:34.26 | lesshaste | ethics, ok thx |
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| 08:35.41 | ohad_ | bob2, didn't work. tried to close the lid of my laptop. |
| 08:36.06 | bob2 | ok, that still won't do that |
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| 08:36.12 | bob2 | you need to see if suspend actually works or not |
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| 08:36.24 | ohad_ | bob2, did i forget anything? vbetool, laptop-mode, acipd, |
| 08:36.34 | ohad_ | bob2, how do i check that? |
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| 08:37.36 | d03boy | ohad_, i have the same problem, what computer do you have? |
| 08:37.45 | bob2 | sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh |
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| 08:37.48 | ohad_ | d03boy, thinkpad x40 |
| 08:37.54 | d03boy | hrm, nm |
| 08:38.20 | ohad_ | bob2, don't have that script there. - sleep.sh |
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| 08:38.37 | bob2 | it's from acpi-support |
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| 08:38.46 | bob2 | do you really have it installed? |
| 08:39.01 | rndguy | what's the default l/p to CUPS? |
| 08:39.20 | bob2 | root, yourpassword |
| 08:39.33 | rndguy | ah |
| 08:39.38 | itay | hi! I am trying to complie cpp file with some libraries, but I got this error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm". |
| 08:39.39 | ohad_ | bob2, checking |
| 08:39.48 | itay | libxext-dev and libxext6 are already installed. |
| 08:39.57 | rndguy | thanx |
| 08:40.02 | bob2 | !+find libXxf86vm |
| 08:40.06 | dpkg | searching for package name should be fully lowercase! |
| 08:40.06 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libXxf86vm' (3): libxxf86vm-dev ;; libxxf86vm1 ;; libxxf86vm1-dbg. |
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| 08:40.21 | ohad_ | bob2, ok. now i have it;) |
| 08:40.30 | itay | sorry, I meant this error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext" |
| 08:40.35 | d03boy | ohad_, where did you get it? apt-get doesnt show it |
| 08:40.44 | gusar612 | how come i cant find a package for dig (domain information groper) in apt? |
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| 08:41.10 | bob2 | !+find libXext |
| 08:41.13 | dpkg | searching for package name should be fully lowercase! |
| 08:41.13 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libXext' (3): libxext-dev ;; libxext6 ;; libxext6-dbg. |
| 08:41.17 | gusar612 | !+find dig |
| 08:41.18 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'dig' (15 of 20): aprsdigi ;; digikam ;; digikamimageplugins ;; digitaldj ;; digitemp ;; happydigger ;; htdig ;; htdig-doc ;; libcommons-digester-java ;; libdigest-crc-perl ;; libdigest-hmac-perl ;; libdigest-md2-perl ;; libdigest-md4-perl ;; libdigest-nilsimsa-perl ;; libdigest-perl. |
| 08:41.29 | bob2 | gusar612: sure there is, bind8-utils |
| 08:41.40 | itay | but libxext-dev and libxext6 are already installed. |
| 08:41.40 | bob2 | er, dnusutils |
| 08:41.54 | itay | !+find libxext |
| 08:41.56 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libxext' (3): libxext-dev ;; libxext6 ;; libxext6-dbg. |
| 08:41.57 | gusar612 | ok ill install dnsutils then.. thx |
| 08:42.02 | bob2 | itay: and you see the lib in the right place? |
| 08:42.08 | bob2 | and your software is looking there? |
| 08:42.14 | d03boy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:42.17 | bob2 | and the software you're compiling isn't already in Debian? |
| 08:42.33 | ohad_ | bob2, i tried to run /etc/acpi/sleep.sh and nothing happened |
| 08:42.33 | bob2 | d03boy: indeed, packages.ubuntu.com/acpi-support |
| 08:43.09 | itay | bob2, no I can't find the lib |
| 08:43.29 | ohad_ | bob2, i get this error -perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 08:43.30 | itay | now I found |
| 08:43.34 | itay | it's in /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 08:43.42 | bob2 | ohad_: that's fine |
| 08:43.49 | rndguy | hmm, printer refuses to print.. everything seems ok, but nothing happens... |
| 08:43.51 | bob2 | 18:42:15 bob2 | and the software you're compiling isn't already in Debian? |
| 08:43.52 | root | bob2: me? |
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| 08:44.37 | ohad_ | bob2, i am going to reboot and check my bois |
| 08:44.39 | ohad_ | bios |
| 08:44.47 | ohad_ | bob2, see you later. thanks |
| 08:44.52 | itay | now it doesn't find Xxf86vm, which is in /usr/X11R6/lib/ |
| 08:45.08 | bob2 | itay: what are you compiling? |
| 08:45.43 | ethics | sounds like you need to do an include in the command |
| 08:45.54 | itay | a cpp file with irrlichtNX example |
| 08:46.04 | bob2 | no, the gcc invocation is missing -L/usr/X11R6/lib/ |
| 08:46.13 | itay | I did it |
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| 08:46.28 | itay | and I use g++, not gcc |
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| 08:46.37 | amorph | morning guys |
| 08:47.22 | amorph | im receiving email messages for failed cronjobs saying the users dont exist (system upgrade) but the users have been added |
| 08:47.26 | itay | libXxf86vm.so.1 does exist in /usr/X11R6/lib/, but g++ doesn't find it. why? |
| 08:47.28 | amorph | how do I update the system? |
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| 08:47.31 | ircdevil | cups problem. i dont know what triggered this, but all of a sudden i cant print using cups. i can ftp to the network printer and put a ps file. ideas? |
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| 08:48.08 | amorph | whats the error log say? |
| 08:48.27 | priest | which packages is cryptdisc in? |
| 08:48.35 | ircdevil | !tell priest about search |
| 08:49.00 | priest | i'm not on a debian machine right now |
| 08:49.05 | itay | does anybody know how can I make g++ find the lib? |
| 08:49.12 | bob2 | itay: -L |
| 08:49.21 | bob2 | priest: http;//packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:49.37 | itay | bob2, it doesn't work, here is my command: |
| 08:49.46 | itay | g++ a.cpp -L /usr/X11R6/lib/ -l IrrlichtNX -l GL -l GLU -l Xxf86vm -l Xext -l X11 |
| 08:49.58 | ircdevil | cups error: E [29/Jul/2005:10:48:59 +0200] PID 18079 stopped with status 3! |
| 08:50.13 | ircdevil | what does that mean? |
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| 08:50.34 | empty | How does one get a list of installed packages? |
| 08:50.40 | ircdevil | empty: dpkg -l |
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| 08:51.31 | empty | is there any way to get it without the ASCII art etc? Preferably just a list of package names so I can run them together through apt-get |
| 08:51.35 | amorph | why does Mozilla act weirdly sometimes with the search box not allowing input |
| 08:51.36 | dsevilla | itay, what's the error message? |
| 08:51.53 | bob2 | itay: get rid of all those spaces |
| 08:51.57 | itay | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm |
| 08:51.57 | itay | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 08:52.15 | bob2 | empty: dpkg --get-selections | awk '/installed$/ {print $1}' |
| 08:52.24 | itay | bob2, still doesn't work |
| 08:52.25 | dsevilla | itay, let's try to create a link libXxf....so -> libXxf....so.1 |
| 08:52.46 | fatal__ | empty: If you want to clone installed packages between two installs, try dpkg --get-selections > foo and dpkg --set-selections < foo ..... |
| 08:53.14 | ircdevil | D [29/Jul/2005:10:52:26 +0200] [Job 541] Process dying with "Possible error on renderer command line or PostScript error. Check options.", exit stat: 3 |
| 08:53.18 | empty | bob2, no love there... fatal__ excellent thank you |
| 08:53.19 | fatal__ | empty: then run apt-get install |
| 08:53.31 | ircdevil | what the heck does that mean? |
| 08:53.31 | simonrvn | in the nards |
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| 08:54.02 | simonrvn | renderer error. the thing that renders the data into printer-speak |
| 08:54.11 | amorph | hi |
| 08:54.15 | amorph | im receiving email messages for failed cronjobs saying the users dont exist (system upgrade) but the users have been added |
| 08:54.19 | simonrvn | ..or, an error in the postscript processing |
| 08:54.21 | ircdevil | simonrvn: that would be the printer driver? |
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| 08:54.42 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 08:55.01 | fatal__ | empty: bob2's example is nice too, except that it should be "install" rather then "installed" to work. |
| 08:55.08 | ircdevil | simonrvn: postscript hmmmm. i have all sorts of postscript problems here with respect to latex (dvips2ps). i need this fixed. |
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| 08:55.47 | simonrvn | then you should look at it, or get someone to help you over there |
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| 08:57.06 | ircdevil | simonrvn: i have this idea that a conf file was not upgraded when i did woody->sarge |
| 08:57.26 | amorph | is the 2.6.12 kernel available yet? |
| 08:57.30 | simonrvn | possibly. check the mtime |
| 08:57.37 | amorph | ok |
| 08:57.39 | itay | dsevilla, thanks, now it finds the lib, but I got an another error, I guess I need to link one or more libraries |
| 08:57.40 | simonrvn | amorph: available where? |
| 08:57.44 | ircdevil | simonrvn: mtime? |
| 08:57.47 | amorph | in testing |
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| 08:58.02 | simonrvn | modification time. what you get with ls -l |
| 08:58.11 | dsevilla | itay, that depend on your source code... |
| 08:58.47 | ircdevil | simonrvn: that will take forever :o/ - but there is a switch to apt (or dpkg) to reinstall && reconfigure in one go |
| 08:59.04 | ircdevil | now if i could just remember what that is ... |
| 08:59.13 | simonrvn | yes. man apt-get |
| 08:59.19 | ircdevil | i am |
| 08:59.44 | itay | I can't even run binaries that use this lib |
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| 09:00.16 | itay | here is the error: |
| 09:00.18 | itay | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 09:00.18 | itay | No doublebuffering available. |
| 09:00.18 | itay | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 09:00.18 | itay | Fatal error, could not get visual. |
| 09:00.18 | itay | Segmentation fault |
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| 09:00.40 | itay | sorry |
| 09:01.03 | dsevilla | itay, you have problems with your X installation, then |
| 09:01.21 | itay | what can I do? |
| 09:01.36 | dsevilla | try to be able to run glx applications, such as glxgears without problem |
| 09:01.55 | itay | same error... |
| 09:01.56 | dsevilla | either installing nvidia/ati modules or the mesaglx drivers for x |
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| 09:03.23 | itay | I can't find the pkg, what its name? |
| 09:03.47 | dsevilla | it depends on your video card |
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| 09:04.20 | dsevilla | but I think it has to do with your X conf. |
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| 09:04.31 | dsevilla | look for the modules section. You have to have some "GL" library |
| 09:06.12 | slept | itay, do lspci to find out what videocard you have |
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| 09:08.40 | Nitty | hello |
| 09:08.41 | Nitty | please |
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| 09:08.53 | mepha | I feel semi-good about myself. Just recovered from rm -r /var lol |
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| 09:08.57 | Nitty | i need help, where i can found servers to sources.list ? |
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| 09:09.05 | Nitty | i dont know where :( |
| 09:09.05 | jm_ | Nitty: man apt-setup |
| 09:09.14 | Koybe | hello |
| 09:09.30 | mepha | Hi |
| 09:09.30 | Nitty | ah ok :| |
| 09:09.49 | Koybe | can someone help me with backuppc on a fresh sarge install? It never sends notification emails :( |
| 09:09.56 | phreak | Is there a "right" way of editing /etc/shadow? I'm going to add some users from another system. |
| 09:10.09 | jm_ | phreak: use useradd |
| 09:10.10 | phreak | I'll use vipw for passwd, ofcourse |
| 09:10.22 | jm_ | or adduser |
| 09:10.27 | pureone | koybe what do you mean by it never sends notifaction emails ? |
| 09:10.37 | phreak | jm_: You can use password hashes with that? |
| 09:10.51 | jm_ | phreak: man chpasswd |
| 09:11.11 | phreak | Well would you look at that. |
| 09:11.14 | phreak | Thanks. |
| 09:12.07 | Koybe | i want to get email to get information on the backup. I set $Conf{EMailAdminUserName} var to a correct email adress |
| 09:12.12 | phreak | jm_: But really, what can go wrong if I just append the accounts to passwd and shadow? |
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| 09:12.24 | Koybe | then i made a test abckup with an error to see if it send mail |
| 09:12.28 | phreak | jm_: The uid's are fine. |
| 09:12.52 | Koybe | but when i look /var/log/exim4/mailog i see nothing new |
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| 09:13.13 | jm_ | phreak: well it's easy to make an error, you can use vipw + pwconv |
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| 09:13.32 | fatal__ | !+mono |
| 09:13.33 | dpkg | somebody said mono was a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 09:13.41 | phreak | jm_: I'll take my chances ;) |
| 09:14.01 | fatal__ | Anyone have suggestions of where to get a decent backport of mono to Sarge? |
| 09:14.39 | tbf | hmm, wondering how to install tomcat 5 on sarge |
| 09:14.52 | dimir | fatal__: backports.org? Does not have it? |
| 09:15.07 | bibe | tbf: I'm just trying it |
| 09:15.15 | itay | slept, nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420], and I already installed the driver |
| 09:15.16 | fatal__ | dimir: nope. :( |
| 09:15.24 | dimir | fatal__: :-( |
| 09:15.40 | tbf | bibe: with .debs? successfully? |
| 09:15.48 | slept | itay, nvidia or nv ? |
| 09:16.16 | eugenesan | hi all, anyone here by mistake has kernel-headers-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8_2.6.8-12_i386.deb or kernel-sources-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8_2.6.8-12_i386.deb? |
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| 09:17.00 | liable | eugenesan: what are you actually getting at? |
| 09:17.02 | bibe | tbf: look at this repo |
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| 09:17.36 | bibe | http://leapster.org/linux/tomcat/ |
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| 09:17.45 | ircdevil | anyone aware of issues concerning postscript that malbehaves with CUPS and dvips ? |
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| 09:17.48 | bibe | install goes fine |
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| 09:17.59 | eugenesan | liable: i need to build module for this kernel. (Can't upgrade it at the noment :-( ) |
| 09:18.10 | Wisteria | hi all... anyone can help a poor italian girl with mac-debian-a monitor who doesn't work? in private maybe... |
| 09:18.16 | bibe | there are some issues w/ the classpath, I know I have to set it somewhere |
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| 09:19.09 | phreak | How do I copy files over a network, keeping the files and not using nfs? I tried tar lcf - /path | ssh otherbox tar xpf -, but it didn't work :[ |
| 09:19.26 | phreak | s/files/files ownership and perms/ |
| 09:19.34 | bonez39 | any win4lin users in here? |
| 09:19.49 | pabs3 | anyone experience problems with sudo not being able to start x apps? |
| 09:20.00 | taec | DISPLAY env variable probably isn't being set is it? |
| 09:20.15 | phreak | I have to do it "on the fly", since there isn't enough diskspace to make a tar-archive of it first. |
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| 09:21.39 | Slippy | phreak: why not jsut use scp? |
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| 09:21.58 | pabs3 | taec: it is set from a sudo bash |
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| 09:22.26 | fatal__ | phreak: netcat and tar might work? |
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| 09:22.32 | phreak | Slippy: I did yesterday, but it changed perms/owners of _everything_ :) |
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| 09:22.49 | phreak | fatal__: (Does -p's "and modes" include perms/ownership?) |
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| 09:23.02 | phreak | Slippy, even. |
| 09:23.16 | fatal__ | phreak: tar preserves the modes and ownership (if you have permission to set owner when you untar)... |
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| 09:23.49 | phreak | fatal__: I know. But using netcat seems a bit dangerous, how can I be certain that the files stay intact? |
| 09:24.32 | henk | i'm trying to set up a debian with debootstrap. If I "debootstrap sarge ./mnt [mirror]" it says installed successfully, but after i chroot into mnt and do ' base-config' all that does is say "terminated" strace shows this:morphix4 30 127 0 -b--- 177115.2 9630 |
| 09:24.32 | henk | node03 96 63 0 -b--- 2238.6 9696 |
| 09:24.32 | henk | phoebe 12 255 0 -b--- 4767.1 9612 |
| 09:24.32 | henk | ucom 5 95 0 -b--- 375.7 9605 |
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| 09:24.39 | henk | oops sorry |
| 09:25.17 | fatal__ | phreak: tcp is supposed to do resends for you if you lose packets.... if you want to make really sure, do an md5sum of all files and check them when you're done. |
| 09:25.24 | phreak | Slippy: Ok, tried with -p and it did not keep what I wanted. |
| 09:25.25 | henk | strace shows this :open("/dev/ptyp0", O_RDWR) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 09:25.25 | henk | write(2, "openpty failed\n", 15) = 15 |
| 09:25.50 | phreak | fatal__: Hmm, true. Perhaps I'll try that :) |
| 09:26.31 | Slippy | phreak: weird |
| 09:27.11 | jm_ | henk: did you mount it properly? |
| 09:27.44 | Slippy | phreak: tar -cf - /some/file | ssh host.name tar -xf - -C /destination didn't work either? |
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| 09:29.11 | phreak | Slippy: what the heck, I tried that before :-] (That worked) |
| 09:29.26 | phreak | Slippy: Thanks. |
| 09:29.33 | Slippy | phreak: heh great |
| 09:29.44 | phreak | Ah! |
| 09:29.53 | phreak | I used it wrong, forgot the -C |
| 09:30.11 | phreak | (With unrar you can just specifiy the target) |
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| 09:30.29 | henk | jm_ you mean the target system dir ? yes i's a mounted lvm partition with ext3, no problem there. also the debootstrap worked fine. I can do a lot inside the chroot too even do apt-setup and apt-get upgrade/update/install etc. Only base-config is not working it seems. |
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| 09:30.56 | ircdevil | would someone skilled in CUPS please have a log at this CUPS error log entry: http://130.226.106.174/~paste/cgi-bin/cups-log |
| 09:31.02 | jm_ | henk: and not with nodev? |
| 09:31.08 | ircdevil | i would be glad to get a hint on how to resolve this... |
| 09:31.20 | ircdevil | *please have a look* even |
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| 09:32.14 | henk | jm_ i don't know what you mean by that |
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| 09:32.27 | jm_ | henk: it's a mount option |
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| 09:33.27 | tbf | "dpkg -l" gives some human-readable output, which cuts the package names, if the terminal is not wide enought - is there a way to list package names only? |
| 09:33.28 | henk | jm_ ah you mean if i mounted the target_system_device on the hosts filesytem with nodev? hmm let me see |
| 09:33.47 | jm_ | henk: yes, that's a typical mistake |
| 09:34.02 | jm_ | tbf: read the FAQ |
| 09:34.23 | tbf | jm_: where to find? |
| 09:34.38 | jm_ | tbf: read the topic |
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| 09:34.45 | tbf | 'k |
| 09:34.59 | henk | jm_ no, none of the filesystems are mounted with nodev |
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| 09:36.05 | ircdevil | which gs package is best to use? |
| 09:36.22 | jm_ | henk: and you have populated /dev in chroot? |
| 09:37.11 | henk | jm_ debootstrap did that for me. Also i tried MAKEDEV |
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| 09:38.53 | simai | vvvvvvvvvv |
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| 09:39.03 | goonie | hi guys, have any of you come across a hack that likes to start a process called "s" that always runs as process number 31755? |
| 09:39.04 | simai | test.......... |
| 09:39.11 | goonie | s/hack/exploit |
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| 09:39.38 | simai | ? |
| 09:39.40 | tbf | jm_: so just a hack is available. well. better than nothing |
| 09:39.57 | jm_ | tbf: it also mentiones dpkg --get-selections, doesn't it? |
| 09:39.57 | bob2 | if it always runs as one PID, it has root priveleges |
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| 09:40.06 | umbop | hey guys, wondering if i could get some help with prism54 wireless card, netgear WG511, i've read the wiki and it says to get hotplug pciutils etc, which i have done, and i have a 2.6.8-2-686 kernel, i've downloaded the firmware version 1.0.4.3 from the prism54 site, and renamed it /copied to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmward/isl3890 and rebooted the laptop but it's made no diff lspci shows |
| 09:40.07 | gusar612 | auch |
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| 09:40.09 | bob2 | and may have modified your kernel already |
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| 09:40.23 | jm_ | henk: yes, but verify that it's OK and that those device files actually do what they're supposed to do |
| 09:40.38 | umbop | 0000:02:09.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 02) 0000:03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 1faa (rev 03) |
| 09:40.47 | goonie | bob2: if so, wouldn't it be trivial to hide it from "top", which is where I found it was running? |
| 09:40.54 | bob2 | yup |
| 09:41.00 | bob2 | is it running as root? |
| 09:41.04 | bob2 | has it bound any ports? |
| 09:41.08 | henk | jm_ whould it be an idea to bind-mount the hosts /dev to /target/dev/ ? |
| 09:41.12 | goonie | no, it was running as user www-data |
| 09:41.14 | umbop | so i'm unsure what to do next :( |
| 09:41.14 | tbf | jm_: no, it doesn't |
| 09:41.17 | L6C6F6R | anyone experienced problems with dhcp and 2.6.11 ? worked well with ipw2200 under 2.6.8 |
| 09:41.22 | darkskiez | pah, never had a problem with apache before.. installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 and they are enabled, but its working |
| 09:41.32 | bob2 | goonie: ps auxf |
| 09:41.47 | bob2 | goonie: and ls -l /tmp/ |
| 09:41.51 | bob2 | er, ls -la /tmp |
| 09:42.10 | goonie | bob2: I already killed it and |
| 09:42.22 | bob2 | and it will keep coming back |
| 09:42.28 | bob2 | until you fix whatever hole you have in apache |
| 09:42.31 | Esaj | is there a way to compile just a single kernel module? |
| 09:42.46 | bob2 | you need to be more specific |
| 09:42.53 | bob2 | do you mean "single module from the kernel" |
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| 09:42.58 | bob2 | or single external module? |
| 09:43.50 | Esaj | a single module from the kernel |
| 09:43.51 | jm_ | henk: that shouldn't be needed |
| 09:44.03 | bob2 | Esaj: why do you want to recompile it? |
| 09:44.31 | Esaj | it's a module which isn't in the standard debian kernel-image-... |
| 09:44.41 | umbop | hmm is there a channel for prism54 like there is for atheros? |
| 09:44.45 | Esaj | and I don't want to wait hundreds of years for it to compile the entire thing |
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| 09:45.04 | slept | Esaj, maybe you want to use module-assistant |
| 09:45.30 | Esaj | thanks, I'll try that |
| 09:46.56 | goonie | bob2: it seems I'm running the current apache from Debian stable... |
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| 09:47.03 | sml | why isn't mplayer in sarge? restrictive licence ? |
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| 09:47.21 | L6C6F6R | anybody? |
| 09:47.22 | goonie | sml: legal issues, I believe |
| 09:47.29 | bob2 | goonie: yes, with some buggy-ass cgi or php script |
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| 09:47.38 | bob2 | goonie: hence "ps auxf" to find out what it is |
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| 09:47.51 | bob2 | mplayer isn't in debian because the developers were idiots |
| 09:47.56 | bob2 | and violated the GPL |
| 09:48.03 | bob2 | it's cleaned up now and waiting to go in |
| 09:48.08 | tore | anyone got a nice howto to get madwifi working on debian 3.1? |
| 09:48.24 | tore | with -> Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 09:48.47 | umbop | madwifi.sourceforge.net |
| 09:49.12 | umbop | there's a wiki on there |
| 09:49.24 | liable | tore: or #madwifi |
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| 09:49.53 | Maliuta | tore: get the sources and then make; make install; moprobe ath_pci |
| 09:49.55 | henk | lm_ it appears that /dev on the target sytem is indeed only very basic. there seem to missing many devices. MAKEDEV does ot solve this for me. How should i proceed ? (the host has udev afaik maybe that has any bearing?) |
| 09:50.22 | xaero | has anyone had any problems with sarge and the latest versions of webmin? |
| 09:50.24 | Maliuta | henk: udev will cut down on the entries in /dev |
| 09:50.40 | paster | "henk" at 84.24.142.76 pasted "debootstrap / base-config" (69 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/410 |
| 09:50.46 | xaero | when i use webmin to edit dns entries all kinds of bad happens |
| 09:51.06 | Maliuta | webmin is just wrong |
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| 09:51.27 | Maliuta | hand edit your zone files or do it with a script from a db |
| 09:51.31 | xaero | Maliuta: what do you suggest for web admin? |
| 09:51.37 | Maliuta | I don't |
| 09:51.56 | Maliuta | webmin leaves a lot of gaps in config possibilities though |
| 09:52.03 | Maliuta | ssh and sudo |
| 09:52.07 | xaero | well i like the idea so i guess ill just keep using it |
| 09:52.20 | xaero | i usually edit all my apache2 stuff by hand though |
| 09:52.31 | jm_ | phreak: I am not familiar with udev, sorry |
| 09:52.33 | xaero | cause i agree with your config possibliltie wholes |
| 09:52.47 | jm_ | phreak: sorry that was not for you |
| 09:52.49 | Maliuta | there are somethings you just can't do with webmin though, it supports limited subsets of config options |
| 09:52.51 | jm_ | henk: I am not familiar with udev, sorry |
| 09:52.58 | xaero | yea |
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| 09:53.15 | xaero | i was looking at something like ISPconfig? anyone ever tried that out? |
| 09:53.28 | Maliuta | the gaps it leaves justify not using it |
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| 09:53.46 | henk | jm_ do you think my problems could come from having udev on the system that is used for debootstrapping or do you noot know at all ? |
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| 09:53.48 | jm_ | henk: how about /dev/pts? |
| 09:54.00 | jm_ | henk: I don't know |
| 09:54.07 | xaero | well i dont want to take the time to learn all the ins and outs of everything im running so its just as simple to use a web admin interface |
| 09:54.13 | henk | jm_ hmm that is not mounted i guess |
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| 09:54.47 | nomad111 | can any1 help me with setting up mepis |
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| 09:55.28 | tralala | for sure - the real question is will this one be right here, right now? |
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| 09:55.39 | honschu | How to allow relaying in sendmail for LAN-Computers? |
| 09:55.49 | nomad111 | plz any1 |
| 09:56.02 | liable | nomad111: are you serious? #mepis |
| 09:56.15 | nomad111 | they told me to come here earlier |
| 09:56.24 | stew | hah |
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| 09:56.39 | tralala | nomad111: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 09:56.47 | liable | nomad111: wtf, the channel for the distro you are using, told you to come here? |
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| 09:56.57 | Maliuta | honschu: edit /etc/mail/relay-domains |
| 09:57.08 | honschu | Maliuta: thx |
| 09:57.10 | Maliuta | honschu: and remake your dbs |
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| 09:57.31 | jm_ | henk: and /proc? the docs say you must mount this |
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| 09:57.53 | henk | jm_ devpts and proc are mounted inside the chroot, but still no result |
| 09:58.57 | jm_ | henk: base-config is a shell script, should be easy to figure out what fails |
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| 10:00.06 | honschu | Maliuta: 192.168.84.0/24 is this a qualified entry in relay-domains? |
| 10:00.13 | henk | jm_ well strace says that opening a pty is not possible |
| 10:00.34 | Maliuta | honschu: ya |
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| 10:01.46 | degkprux | ioi |
| 10:02.03 | sml | Is there an easy way to keep snort signatures up-to-date when running snort on debian sarge ? |
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| 10:03.07 | henk | jm_ /usr/bin/script seems to be the offending peace of code. it says openpty failed |
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| 10:04.11 | welson | can a tty console bind to just one keyboard? I'm thinking of adding another keyboard/mouse binding for this second video card already on the system but I'd like to know if I can still use tty1-6 without problem |
| 10:05.09 | bob2 | it's not simple |
| 10:05.14 | bob2 | you can do it with X |
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| 10:06.23 | runge | hi. is there any howto on configuring second nic in debian? |
| 10:06.25 | henk | jm_ i'll do the configuring myself. thnx for your help |
| 10:06.38 | drac | runge: man 5 interfaces for /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 10:06.40 | ralf | i get many errors while inserting ide-cd |
| 10:06.59 | runge | thanks drac |
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| 10:07.47 | jm_ | henk: ahh that indicates devpts |
| 10:08.15 | ralf | http://rafb.net/paste/results/WjUSEL27.html |
| 10:08.22 | welson | bob2, ok-- i thought this might have been largely asked by others as I looked into this quite a while ago. |
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| 10:09.13 | sml | !seen golgotha |
| 10:09.14 | dpkg | golgotha <~golgotha@cpc2-cmbg8-6-0-cust56.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 181d 20h 16m 44s ago, saying: 'asg, no i said sarge to woody, it took a reboot, and i had to do some evil things to dpkg, but it worked'. |
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| 10:09.26 | welson | bob2, X should be less a worry-- maybe there's a binding somewhere for getty or another asimilar program no? |
| 10:09.28 | henk | jm_ but it is mounted, i'm guessing some gremlins are trying to spoil my day. I'll just set it up manualy. |
| 10:09.34 | bob2 | I doubt it |
| 10:09.55 | welson | bob2, I remember something though-- |
| 10:10.00 | bob2 | ok |
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| 10:15.16 | Debuser | Hi I run a fileserver (SAMBA) with all my music on it. I want to stop from songs accidently being deleted by someone. nobody:nogroup owns the file, but when I chmod 500 the file can still be deleted (from Windows machines accessing the fileserver). Am I doing something wrong, or won't it work? |
| 10:15.41 | bob2 | share it read-only |
| 10:15.51 | bob2 | don't even let windows touch it at all |
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| 10:16.17 | welson | bob2, i'm think there might be something funny if I somehow changed something to do with /dev/console.. |
| 10:16.42 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure that won't help |
| 10:17.19 | welson | bob2, not the node, but i'll look around -- i'm guessing now if it's possible with anything under /proc... |
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| 10:17.31 | welson | bob2, (well not anything).. |
| 10:17.33 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure it's not |
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| 10:17.38 | welson | ok |
| 10:17.42 | bob2 | "multi seat" is what you want to look at |
| 10:17.49 | StFS | is there a strike? I've gone 3 days or so now without getting a single update from debian/testing? Is there something special going on or is it just a fluke? |
| 10:17.51 | Sigmund | hi all |
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| 10:18.09 | bob2 | StFS: the debian ftp-master macine has been in the post since last week |
| 10:18.13 | bob2 | and is now back |
| 10:18.25 | bob2 | but testing will not be updated in the near future |
| 10:18.40 | StFS | bob2: ok... what do you mean by "in the post"? |
| 10:18.41 | bojangles | my gosh how is Nintendo ever going to compete against this kind of graphics GAMING technology.....the reality is stunning in the XBOX360 here ......http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/07/01/pgr3_screenshots/ |
| 10:18.56 | bob2 | StFS: it was being shipped to a new host |
| 10:18.58 | sml | yeah its nice how they took down ftp-master whilst the mirrors weren't in SYNC |
| 10:19.00 | pusling | StFS: been mailed from one part of us to another ,) |
| 10:19.12 | bob2 | sml: yeah, they did it deliberately to annoy people |
| 10:19.14 | StFS | bob2, pusling: ahh ok :) |
| 10:19.15 | bob2 | that or they had no choice |
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| 10:19.17 | StFS | thanks |
| 10:19.18 | bojangles | those graphics make GTA look like a joke |
| 10:19.25 | sml | bob2: I'm sure they only did it to annoy me ;) |
| 10:20.42 | pusling | sml: you wasn't supposed to know .. |
| 10:21.28 | wiesel | does anyone know the names of the packages for net and system status in this http://myrddin.org/screenshots/20050621-1907.jpg screenshot? |
| 10:22.05 | wiesel | are there any debian packages? |
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| 10:22.32 | Ronin | wiesel: on the right hand side? gkrellm |
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| 10:23.19 | wiesel | yes, on the right! thx |
| 10:23.55 | bojangles | Nintendo's profits are falling through the floor...Sony's losses are staggering in the billions....and how can any of them compete with those kinds of moving graphics on the XBOX360 Supercomputer |
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| 10:25.22 | Morti | bojangles: Microsoft's game division and Sony's game division are both currently operating at a loss. Nintendo is the only one still making a profit. Plus, surely that's a little off topic anyway? |
| 10:25.23 | jm_ | thanks bob2 |
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| 10:26.19 | wiesel | ronin: thanks! do you also know which one is for the KB/s out and in in the gnome pannel? |
| 10:26.25 | migma | the device file /dev/fd0 was accidentally deleted on a machine running sarge with 2.4.27-386.. any ideas on how to restore it? |
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| 10:26.36 | nomed^ | hi |
| 10:27.02 | bob2 | ah, shoulda used lastlog |
| 10:27.04 | nomed^ | is there anyone that uses mrxvt and knows how to disable greek ? |
| 10:27.05 | jm_ | migma: man mknod, read devices.txt (or look at udev docs if you use that) |
| 10:27.11 | jm_ | homed;I use mrxvt |
| 10:27.16 | jm_ | nomed^ ^^^ |
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| 10:27.20 | bob2 | bojangles: if you're just a clueless idiot, instead of malicious, /msg me |
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| 10:27.47 | Ronin | wiesel: you mean in the app gkrellm or something different? |
| 10:27.51 | amorph | hi everyone |
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| 10:28.10 | welson | bob2, thanks for the keyword buzz-- i yet to try it later today.. |
| 10:28.18 | nomed^ | jm_, when i press ALT/GR my keys switch to greek i don't need this but i can't find how to disable this :/ |
| 10:28.24 | migma | jm_: where do I find devices.txt? |
| 10:28.31 | jm_ | migma: kernel docs |
| 10:28.53 | wiesel | ronin: i mean in the right upper corner of the first screen, in the pannel |
| 10:29.11 | jm_ | nomed^: really? well it has greek_keyboard and greektoggle_key resource |
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| 10:29.32 | nomed^ | jm_, i've also checked apt-get source mrxvt and it doesn't seems enabled :/ .. this is drivin me crazy .. |
| 10:29.57 | Ronin | wiesel: no idea but seeing as i dont run gnome its not surprising |
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| 10:30.05 | nomed^ | greek_keyboard [ibm|iso] ... and none ? :P |
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| 10:30.14 | jm_ | nomed^: it is enabled, type mrxvt --help |
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| 10:30.27 | wiesel | ronin: hehe ok, thanks a lot! |
| 10:30.47 | nomed^ | greektoggle_key <?> an ex.? |
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| 10:32.10 | migma | jm_: thanks :-) |
| 10:32.37 | jm_ | migma: np |
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| 10:32.38 | Nitty | where i can find mouse :) |
| 10:32.47 | jm_ | nomed^: you can always rebuild it by disabling this |
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| 10:34.19 | Nitty | ?? |
| 10:34.19 | Nitty | where i can find mouse :) |
| 10:34.28 | drac | Nitty: From your table ? |
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| 10:34.45 | Nitty | no |
| 10:34.47 | Nitty | in debian |
| 10:34.52 | Nitty | i have problem with X server system |
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| 10:34.57 | Nitty | it dont know where is mice :) |
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| 10:36.15 | jm_ | Nitty: you may want to provide us with more details |
| 10:36.23 | jm_ | but it's entirely up to you, we can try and guess ... |
| 10:36.50 | Nitty | cannot open input device |
| 10:36.53 | dimir | OMG! Is banlist ever cleaned up here? :-P |
| 10:36.57 | Maliuta | generally my mouse is on my desk, next to my keyboard :) |
| 10:37.13 | bob2 | generally the people on the ban list should stay there |
| 10:37.23 | bob2 | it's sometimes cleaned up |
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| 10:37.39 | dimir | bob2: I see. |
| 10:39.21 | llama32 | anyone know of an interprited OO language other than smalltalk (preferably simple[r] to implement) |
| 10:39.40 | Maliuta | eifel? |
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| 10:41.58 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: i haven't seen 'hairypotter' |
| 10:42.03 | ricky_clarkson | What was he called? |
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| 10:43.31 | mhall | !tell me about experimental |
| 10:43.41 | Konky | hi |
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| 10:43.54 | Konky | I look for a nice way to download all files (all but ending .LCK) from a remote server (ftp) and delete all downloaded files from the server. |
| 10:44.09 | Konky | anyone knows a nice tool that can do this ? |
| 10:44.32 | pureone | wget ;) |
| 10:44.47 | Konky | :) |
| 10:45.04 | floppyears | wget, curl |
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| 10:45.19 | pureone | a home made bash script ;) |
| 10:45.19 | sml | Konky: lftp. use "mv" |
| 10:45.20 | Konky | those 2 tools can't delete |
| 10:45.26 | Konky | i thought mv is only rename ? |
| 10:45.40 | sml | lftp has shell functionality |
| 10:45.41 | Konky | help mv |
| 10:45.41 | Konky | Usage: mv <file1> <file2> |
| 10:45.41 | Konky | Rename <file1> to <file2> |
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| 10:46.55 | pti-seb_ | hello ! |
| 10:47.10 | pti-seb_ | I have a question ! |
| 10:47.29 | mhall | Konky: here's what i'd try |
| 10:47.37 | Konky | ye gonna try it now;) |
| 10:47.47 | pureone | ftp might beable to read from a file for commands |
| 10:47.51 | pti-seb_ | for build a kernel with debianlogo |
| 10:48.25 | Konky | does not seem to work |
| 10:48.36 | Konky | this is only local i think (the mv command) |
| 10:48.43 | pti-seb_ | --added-patches kernel-patche-debianlogo |
| 10:49.00 | pti-seb_ | or --added-patches debianlogo ? |
| 10:49.31 | ^arky^ | anyone has the repository link to E17 ? |
| 10:49.36 | Konky | only way without goding a bigger tool is to do 3 ftp connections 1. get file list 2. download files 3. delete all downlaoded files |
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| 10:49.43 | Konky | dislike that idea |
| 10:49.55 | kneet | ^arky^, I'm using deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/' |
| 10:50.12 | kneet | without the trailing ' |
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| 10:51.57 | mhall | Konky: take the file listing, then do egrep -v 'LCK$', then pipe it to gawk '{ printf("%s ", $0) } END { print; }' then paste it into ftp |
| 10:52.50 | sml | Konky: like i said, use lftp. |
| 10:52.55 | mhall | Konky: put ; after printf statement ) character |
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| 10:53.09 | Konky | yes but can i pipe the lists in and from a running lftp session ?! |
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| 10:53.30 | sml | Konky: --Remove-source-files remove files after transfer |
| 10:53.31 | Konky | i'd have to get the list -> process it -> put the download request -> process it -> delete the files |
| 10:53.33 | runge | hi. where would one in debian put startup-scripts? |
| 10:53.34 | sml | Konky: man lftp |
| 10:53.46 | Konky | oh |
| 10:54.02 | pureone | runge /etc/init.d |
| 10:54.20 | Konky | sml : what version ? |
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| 10:55.01 | mhall | Konky: the problem i had was lftp screwed with the '' i used to make a gawk script |
| 10:55.09 | mhall | Konky: you could write the gawk script into a file |
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| 10:55.19 | mhall | Konky: and execute in an lftp pipe with gawk -f |
| 10:55.25 | runge | pureone, hmm. how do you mean? can I just put any file there and it will automaticaly gets run during boot? any documentation you can point me to? |
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| 10:55.37 | Internett | hi, is posible to run a domain name from debian server? |
| 10:55.37 | mhall | Konky: also coming from lftp you will want $9 not $0 |
| 10:55.38 | Konky | hmmmmm |
| 10:55.59 | Konky | you mean lftp can run a script and use the script output for the next command ? |
| 10:56.06 | Konky | i am new to lftp (fresh downloaded yesterday) |
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| 10:56.30 | liable | runge: man update-rc.d |
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| 10:57.12 | sml | Konky: you could just use Net::FTP, in perl. would only take a few lines of code to do what you want. |
| 10:57.19 | runge | thanks liable |
| 10:57.20 | Konky | perl isn't possible |
| 10:57.25 | sml | Internett: yes. |
| 10:57.30 | sml | Internett: bind9 |
| 10:57.33 | Konky | it's for an embedded system with limited capabilities |
| 10:57.41 | sml | Konky: how about C ? |
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| 10:57.53 | Internett | sml what is bind9? |
| 10:57.54 | sml | Konky: there is libFTP |
| 10:57.54 | Konky | ya that'S the alternative for the case i can't do it in bash |
| 10:57.59 | sml | Internett: what you asked for. |
| 10:58.02 | Konky | but time requirement is factor 10 ^^ |
| 10:58.04 | Internett | oh ok |
| 10:58.17 | sml | Konky: well if I were you I'd script lftp, it has its own scripting language. |
| 10:58.33 | Konky | that's what i'd prefer too |
| 10:58.41 | possie | if i have a 64bit 66mhz pci card, if i put that into a pci-x 133mhz 64bit slot, the mainboard or the pci-x bus/bridge will automaticly detect it's only a 66mhz pci card right? |
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| 10:59.19 | gusar612 | whats the program called to cat .gz files? |
| 10:59.23 | sml | Konky: IIRC you can create a file with a load of ftp commands in it, then get lftp to process the script. Basically it would do what you require |
| 10:59.30 | stew | gusar612: zcat |
| 10:59.31 | sml | gusar612: zcat |
| 10:59.33 | gusar612 | thx |
| 10:59.36 | Konky | not compeltely sml |
| 10:59.44 | Konky | i need logic between the commands |
| 10:59.59 | sml | Konky: well wrap the lftp script in a bash script ;) |
| 11:00.13 | sml | use hte bash for the control and the lftp script for the ftp processing. |
| 11:00.15 | Konky | i guess you do not have a working example ?:) |
| 11:00.37 | sml | Konky: I dont use lftp anymore i wrote a program in C using libFTP when I had a similar requirement. |
| 11:00.49 | sml | only took me half an hour. |
| 11:01.06 | sml | Konky: I might have an example lying about in Perl, but you said you cant use perl. |
| 11:01.06 | Konky | hmm hmm |
| 11:01.28 | Konky | lftp would be nice, resuming etc |
| 11:01.41 | stew | why not perl? |
| 11:01.47 | Konky | no diskspace for perl |
| 11:01.50 | Konky | i'll search for --Remove-source-files |
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| 11:01.56 | Konky | my lftp version doe snot contain it i think |
| 11:01.58 | Konky | that would do the job |
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| 11:02.05 | Konky | together with a regexp and mirror |
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| 11:02.16 | sml | Konky: well the lftp in sarge supports that command. |
| 11:02.43 | sml | version : 3.1.3-1 |
| 11:02.46 | Konky | ye you are right ;) |
| 11:02.50 | Konky | in help it's not listed |
| 11:02.51 | Konky | but in manpage |
| 11:02.54 | Konky | gonna test this now :-) |
| 11:03.00 | sml | Konky: Have fun. |
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| 11:03.18 | HmJ | happy sysadmin day! |
| 11:03.32 | Konky | ty |
| 11:04.07 | sml | Right. Coffee time. |
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| 11:04.52 | ProgMusic | hello, I'm a newbie and need help to find the configuration file for Kopete. The one with the configuration per user. |
| 11:04.57 | mhall | How do I get apt-get to allow me to upgrade my Alioth KDE packages to those in experimental? |
| 11:05.19 | mhall | ProgMusic: find ~ -print0 | xargs -0 fgrep -i kopete |
| 11:05.31 | ProgMusic | thanks! :-) |
| 11:05.35 | mhall | ProgMusic: search the current dir for files containing the string kopete in any case |
| 11:05.41 | mhall | ProgMusic: oops typo |
| 11:05.51 | mhall | ProgMusic: search _your home dir_ not current dir |
| 11:05.57 | mhall | ProgMusic: current would be . instead of ~ |
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| 11:06.27 | ProgMusic | thanks. Kopete crash after that i added a irc account |
| 11:06.36 | mhall | ProgMusic: ow :-( |
| 11:06.46 | mhall | ProgMusic: i just started using it a couple of days ago |
| 11:06.57 | mhall | ProgMusic: interface is good but it missed lots of features that are in gaim |
| 11:07.16 | ProgMusic | aha, so you recommend GAIM instead? |
| 11:07.32 | mhall | ProgMusic: not for me right now |
| 11:07.39 | ProgMusic | ok |
| 11:07.42 | mhall | ProgMusic: i'm using debian unstable and there's a library problem |
| 11:07.47 | mhall | ProgMusic: so gaim won't install |
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| 11:07.51 | ProgMusic | ok |
| 11:07.56 | mhall | ProgMusic: plus when i've run it before it's been crashy |
| 11:08.00 | mhall | ProgMusic: and kopete hasn't |
| 11:08.09 | mhall | ProgMusic: but so far i only tried the AOL protocol |
| 11:08.21 | ProgMusic | i'm new to Debian and use the stable version |
| 11:08.24 | mhall | ProgMusic: sounds like IRC might be broken but i always used irssi for that |
| 11:08.36 | mhall | ProgMusic: yeah unstable is very hectic right now because of C++ and X changes |
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| 11:08.52 | Slippy | c++ changes? 0_o |
| 11:08.54 | mhall | ProgMusic: it's causing me a lot of issues i wouldn't want to have when new back in 1998 |
| 11:08.57 | stew | mhall: he's not talking about unstable at all |
| 11:09.13 | mhall | stew: i was explaining to him about what it is like to use it |
| 11:09.22 | mhall | stew: and why he was right to choose stable |
| 11:09.23 | ProgMusic | Chatzilla for Firefox is nice too |
| 11:09.31 | bob2 | welcome to unstable! |
| 11:09.32 | stew | ProgMusic: kopete shouldn't crash under stable. Can you reproduce this? |
| 11:09.38 | mhall | bob2: quite right |
| 11:09.43 | mhall | stew: sorry to confuse |
| 11:10.08 | jm_ | !sid++ |
| 11:10.09 | ProgMusic | well I added ICQ and MSN accounts. worked great. |
| 11:10.14 | mhall | Slippy: yeah C++ libs compiled with gcc 3.2/3.3 are not compatible with 3.4/4.0 |
| 11:10.28 | mhall | ProgMusic: i'll experiment with kopete some more then |
| 11:10.33 | ProgMusic | then I added irc.debian.org and it crashes |
| 11:10.50 | tarzeau | has someone got the eclipse* contrib packages (from unstable( for sarge? |
| 11:11.11 | ProgMusic | i want to take it away in the configuration file or start from scratch |
| 11:11.38 | mhall | ProgMusic: yeah backup the config file and see if you can edit it |
| 11:11.46 | mhall | ProgMusic: assuming you could find it with that command |
| 11:11.52 | ProgMusic | ok, thanks for your kind help |
| 11:11.54 | mhall | ProgMusic: if that one did not work, here is another |
| 11:12.08 | stew | ProgMusic: i take it back, after looking at the BTS it looks like kopete has a number of problems that cause it to crash |
| 11:12.12 | mhall | ProgMusic: find ~ -name \*kopete\* -print |
| 11:12.18 | liable | wouldnt a user config for it just be in ~/.? |
| 11:12.24 | mhall | stew: ouch, in stable |
| 11:12.30 | stew | mhall: yeah |
| 11:12.36 | mhall | liable: kde nests their configs in a manner relatively unpredictable |
| 11:12.52 | mhall | stew: that's disappointing what with the length of time between releases |
| 11:13.06 | mhall | stew: in general i was not real proud of the last debian release :-/ |
| 11:13.21 | mhall | stew: but i'm not a dev so it's not so much my right to complain |
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| 11:13.55 | mhall | stew: i don't think the kind of development / unix knowledge i have is the kind that's particularly useful to debian |
| 11:14.12 | tarzeau | has someone built minisip on sarge or sid? |
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| 11:14.27 | mhall | i just know how to write bulletproof POSIX C/C++ programs, console only, generally threading or system I/O stuff |
| 11:14.40 | mhall | not much in the way of good interface, etc. |
| 11:14.42 | stew | mhall: and you don't think thats useful? |
| 11:14.52 | mhall | the kind of thing i might code would be system utilities |
| 11:14.57 | stew | mhall: i'm sure there are plenty of ways you could help |
| 11:14.58 | mhall | most of which are already available |
| 11:15.16 | stew | mhall: as you have noticed, debian needs more people fixing bugs, not more new software |
| 11:15.22 | runge | are there any good forums for debian? |
| 11:15.28 | stew | runge: lists.debian.org |
| 11:15.29 | tarzeau | stew: and more sponsors |
| 11:15.34 | runge | thanks stew |
| 11:15.37 | stew | tarzeau: yup |
| 11:15.54 | mhall | yeah but the thing is by the time you refactor another's code to spec, you could write a better implementation not buried in cruft |
| 11:16.27 | mhall | an example application i wrote recently was what i called a multithreaded directory monitor |
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| 11:16.46 | mhall | it was a way of parallelizing a critical path task on a telephone switch data processing system |
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| 11:17.09 | ProgMusic | You're wonderful my new friends! :-) |
| 11:17.20 | mhall | it has to perform complex analysis of binary files, a large number appear every 5 minutes and latency must be kept to near zero |
| 11:17.39 | mhall | but you can't do this in serial or it won't get done in 5 minutes |
| 11:17.52 | ProgMusic | Now Kopete works again. I think I will stick with Debian. The best Linux distro I've tested so far |
| 11:18.09 | mhall | so i wrote a program that polls the directory the files arrive in, and dispatches parallel threads to process each independently on a separate CPU |
| 11:18.27 | mhall | i had to poll the dir :-( because solaris does not support the imon / dnotify system calls |
| 11:18.38 | stew | mhall: i didn't say anything about refactoring, just bugfixing |
| 11:18.45 | mhall | but it has full exception handling, zero memory leaks, etc. |
| 11:18.49 | mhall | it's really good code |
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| 11:19.18 | mhall | and it abstracts the threaded nature of itself so that the utilities you call need not be aware of this at all |
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| 11:19.25 | mhall | which is what makes it useful |
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| 11:19.39 | mhall | because everybody i work with is pretty much scripters who don't deal with threading stuff |
| 11:19.59 | mhall | it's also 100% posixly correct |
| 11:20.02 | liable | mhall: you sound like you should be more than helpfull, in helping bugfix in sid. Why arent you? |
| 11:20.08 | mhall | so you could run in on about anything |
| 11:20.29 | mhall | liable: well i'm not so sure there are many programs that follow the style i'm good at making |
| 11:20.41 | mhall | liable: not much of the code i download or look at seems to be this sort of code |
| 11:21.02 | stew | "show's some potential but doesn't play well with others" |
| 11:21.09 | liable | hehe |
| 11:21.23 | liable | !beer stew |
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| 11:21.35 | stew | yay, breakfast of champions |
| 11:21.46 | mhall | i mean, sure i file bug reports when it's something important or obscure i don't think people would see right away |
| 11:21.53 | mhall | but often people tell me to go to hell |
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| 11:22.29 | mhall | i think maybe i don't know how to communicate with people in a nonthreatening way |
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| 11:22.35 | mhall | so i must end up sounding adversarial |
| 11:22.46 | stew | patches are pretty non-threatening |
| 11:23.03 | mhall | i've written a couple for the Xerces-C++ library |
| 11:23.16 | administrator | hi |
| 11:23.30 | streuner | mhall: what's up? |
| 11:23.34 | streuner | hi, btw |
| 11:23.35 | mhall | streuner: salutations |
| 11:23.39 | igge | If I have linux fedora installed on a computer and I do lspci to find out the graphics card, is there then a way to know if this will be supported by debian? |
| 11:23.49 | igge | is there a list somewhere on the web or so? |
| 11:23.54 | mhall | streuner: i was discussing my programming style and whether or not it'd be useful to debian |
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| 11:24.10 | mhall | streuner: also i was pondering why most bug reports i file seem to piss people off |
| 11:24.11 | jm_ | igge: XFree86 site, X.org site |
| 11:24.16 | streuner | igge: just use 'usenet' (groups.google.com) |
| 11:24.38 | jantan21 | hi.....can u help me |
| 11:24.57 | tarzeau | jm_: will xfree always be there as a choice, or be removed once xorg doesn't suck anymore? |
| 11:24.59 | jantan21 | how install xmms from ubuntu ? |
| 11:25.00 | streuner | mhall: every (almost) discussion and hint is useful for debian |
| 11:25.16 | ivan | jantan21, apt-get install xmms |
| 11:25.22 | streuner | jantan21: why you asking this here? |
| 11:25.31 | liable | jantan21: and also ?j #ubuntu |
| 11:25.32 | igge | streuner: you mean post a message there? or just search for it? |
| 11:25.41 | jm_ | tarzeau: I think it will be removed because it's probably too much work to maintain both |
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| 11:25.51 | streuner | igge: just search on groups.google.com |
| 11:25.57 | igge | ok |
| 11:25.58 | liable | oh, I see I am becoming a typing tard again... |
| 11:26.07 | streuner | jantan21: /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 11:26.25 | mhall | streuner: well i'm not so sure mine is much valued |
| 11:26.28 | kneet | Gah - what's the cdrecord -scanbus for ide-cd again? Can't get it to see /dev/hdc properly |
| 11:26.33 | mhall | streuner: particularly among #debian ops |
| 11:26.40 | lucaslira | How can i enter on debian-br chanell? |
| 11:26.43 | mhall | kneet: hmm dev=ATA: -scanbus |
| 11:26.55 | mhall | kneet: also try just using dmesg | grep hd |
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| 11:27.02 | liable | lucaslira: /j #debian-br |
| 11:27.08 | kneet | That's what I was trying - just keeps giving Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second. |
| 11:27.08 | mhall | kneet: then see to it that you picked the right hd? |
| 11:27.23 | mhall | kneet: oh yeah i got that |
| 11:27.25 | lucaslira | Thanks ;) |
| 11:27.32 | mhall | kneet: it never used to occur |
| 11:27.36 | kneet | Didn't use to :( |
| 11:27.43 | tarzeau | does everybody in here have popularity-contest installed? |
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| 11:27.55 | mhall | kneet: I have no fucking clue what crazyass Schilling did to his code |
| 11:28.13 | kneet | mhall, neither me - what to burn a CD with else? |
| 11:28.14 | mhall | kneet: but It Just Worked (TM) when i put the hd device from dmesg and did not do a scanbus |
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| 11:28.27 | mhall | kneet: well the bastard has a lock on the market for linux burning |
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| 11:28.50 | mhall | kneet: so he can do all kinds of psychotic ridiculous crap |
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| 11:29.04 | liable | mhall: maybe thats something you could work on? :) |
| 11:29.06 | mhall | kneet: and there is nothing to be done, save work around the shite he does |
| 11:29.13 | mhall | liable: yeah i downloaded the code |
| 11:29.23 | mhall | liable: there's not much comments though |
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| 11:29.35 | mhall | liable: my idea for that code was |
| 11:29.43 | streuner | tarzeau: why are you asking, btw? |
| 11:29.46 | mhall | liable: rip out every line that's not related to linux support |
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| 11:29.57 | tarzeau | streuner: just curious, would be good if much more had it installed. |
| 11:29.58 | mhall | liable: then get others to help me from there once i get a working build |
| 11:30.13 | tarzeau | streuner: popcon.debian.org has only 6655 people that participate |
| 11:30.18 | mhall | liable: and leave behind all of Schilling's insane multiplatform cruft, and psycho device naming schemes, etc! |
| 11:30.28 | liable | mhall: well.... |
| 11:30.45 | mhall | tarzeau: but any sample over 40 is pretty good for most statistical questions, IIRC... |
| 11:30.56 | streuner | mhall: do you know, that he has his own distro now? |
| 11:30.57 | kneet | dmesg | grep hd gives only sda ! |
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| 11:30.59 | mhall | liable: i know, i know, it's nice to have the support |
| 11:31.04 | mhall | liable: yeah, S10 based |
| 11:31.07 | tarzeau | mhall: actually i'm more like interested how many people use debian |
| 11:31.21 | mhall | liable: i googled all about him and what kind of nutty stuff he does |
| 11:31.24 | mhall | kneet: not possible |
| 11:31.36 | mhall | kneet: sd's would not come up in an hd grep...???... |
| 11:31.58 | kneet | ah - string "hdwr" is in it |
| 11:31.59 | mhall | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.59 | mhall | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.59 | mhall | hda: HDS722516VLAT80, ATA DISK drive |
| 11:31.59 | mhall | hdb: WDC WD2000BB-00DAA0, ATA DISK drive |
| 11:31.59 | mhall | hdc: LITE-ON LTR-52246S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
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| 11:32.16 | mhall | whoops |
| 11:32.19 | cahoot | no updates in etch for a week - local problem or something more general? |
| 11:32.20 | mhall | i'm an ass clown! |
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| 11:32.36 | kneet | I get this twice and nothing else: SCSI device sda: 2031616 512-byte hdwr sectors (1040 MB) |
| 11:32.38 | liable | mhall: but if the source is available, cant you just fix it? |
| 11:32.41 | bob2 | cahoot: ftp-master is being moved |
| 11:32.49 | cahoot | bob2: ok thanks |
| 11:32.54 | mhall | liable: well i was thinking about trying it actually |
| 11:32.54 | lord_rob | hi ! I've upgraded sid today and I'm using nvidia proprietary drivers |
| 11:33.01 | lord_rob | and everything is ok |
| 11:33.04 | liable | mhall: DO IT! |
| 11:33.07 | mhall | liable: because i can't stand that bastard but he does write beautiful CD code |
| 11:33.09 | lord_rob | how can I check I'm on xorg ? |
| 11:33.11 | streuner | lord_rob: good luck |
| 11:33.22 | mhall | liable: i'll have to find myself some SCSI API docs and read a lot |
| 11:33.23 | streuner | lord_rob: X --version |
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| 11:33.40 | streuner | lord_rob: or grab /var/log/X*.log |
| 11:33.41 | mhall | liable: i suppose the one thing i could definitely do would be to try to eliminate all preprocessor macros |
| 11:33.58 | liable | mhall: so.. sounds like a good thing for you to do.. |
| 11:34.03 | mhall | liable: and create a linux-only codebase with no irrelevant confusing undebuggable shit in it |
| 11:34.15 | liable | mhall: exactly.. |
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| 11:34.26 | mhall | liable: and maybe try to curb some of the worst of Schilling blasphemies |
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| 11:34.35 | lord_rob | ok xorg works correctly and 3d accel seems to work :) |
| 11:34.35 | liable | mhall: yes! |
| 11:34.35 | mhall | liable: but one thing, some of his code is flagged unremovable |
| 11:34.36 | kneet | So - why would dmesg not show anything about hda and hdc? |
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| 11:34.45 | mhall | liable: and I can't figure out what the license on it means |
| 11:34.53 | stew | mhall: unremovable? |
| 11:34.57 | mhall | kneet: probably you have all SATA stuff or such |
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| 11:35.06 | stew | mhall: how would that possibly be dfsg compliant? |
| 11:35.19 | mhall | stew: download cdrtools source from schilling and look in cdrecord tree, grep for allowed |
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| 11:35.31 | kneet | mhall, not last time I looked - old laptop - last time I tried to burn CDs with dev=ATA it worked just fine (about 4 months back) |
| 11:35.35 | mhall | stew: it's the weirdest most confusing most fucked up code i've ever ever ever read |
| 11:35.39 | mhall | kneet: hmm |
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| 11:35.42 | prasys | hey guys |
| 11:35.44 | prasys | !slap |
| 11:35.44 | dpkg | it has been said that slap is a form of violence |
| 11:35.52 | liable | mhall: You sound like you need a really good project. I think this is it! |
| 11:35.54 | mhall | kneet: but... with no hd devices you don't have any IDE stuff |
| 11:36.09 | Bipple | hey people, i'm confused on a setup of a box, in the sudoers file there's a User_Alias TIPS=%top TIPS ALL=(ALL) ALL i dont understand what the %top part is? |
| 11:36.18 | mhall | liable: it sure would be satisfying to fork linux cd recording out from under that nutcase |
| 11:36.23 | prasys | do you guys advise me to install debian potato and upgrade the kernel and stuff |
| 11:36.25 | kneet | mhall, I see /dev/hda, hda1, hda2 and hda3 - and I'm running on hda |
| 11:36.28 | liable | mhall: indeed. |
| 11:36.32 | bob2 | prasys: no |
| 11:36.41 | mhall | liable: i need to figure out about what his licensing deal is though |
| 11:36.49 | prasys | its for my old ye' P1-100Mhz pc |
| 11:36.54 | mhall | liable: i'm not sure i could redistribute whatever i did to his stuff |
| 11:37.02 | liable | mhall: go now. SEARCH. |
| 11:37.07 | mhall | liable: and i'm sure it'd be a war with him one way or another |
| 11:37.14 | mhall | liable: i did search but i'm still not sure |
| 11:37.22 | mhall | liable: i think i'd have to post to debian legal |
| 11:37.36 | liable | mhall: post away.. |
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| 11:37.39 | mhall | liable: i'll scour the list archive after work |
| 11:37.55 | mhall | liable: for now, it's nearly 5AM and i must work at 9:30AM |
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| 11:38.03 | mhall | liable: too much soda will do this to you |
| 11:38.06 | mhall | liable: 128oz |
| 11:38.08 | liable | mhall: Sleep! |
| 11:38.18 | mhall | liable: lol! |
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| 11:38.25 | lord_rob | does kernel 2.6.11 compile with gcc 4 ? |
| 11:38.36 | liable | lord_rob: try. |
| 11:38.38 | mhall | liable: you have a way of turning everything into one-word imperatives |
| 11:38.42 | mhall | liable: i admire it |
| 11:38.45 | mhall | lord_rob: hmm |
| 11:38.47 | liable | mhall: yes! |
| 11:39.00 | litage | do you have to do anything special to enable a non-root user's crontab? |
| 11:39.05 | mhall | Linux version 2.6.12.2 (root@themhallbox) (gcc version 4.0.1 (Debian 4.0.1-2)) #1 Thu Jul 14 00:37:39 PDT 2005 |
| 11:39.10 | mhall | lord_rob: ^ |
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| 11:39.33 | liable | lord_rob: just try it, report back. |
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| 11:39.46 | lord_rob | mhall: as I'm using debian kernel trees I still don't have .12 |
| 11:39.52 | mhall | liable: i can confirm this should work, see above |
| 11:40.06 | tarzeau | someone can help me with legal stuff? www.linuks.mine.nu/people/links2/ |
| 11:40.08 | mhall | lord_rob: no worries. i just go to k.o because it's what i've been doing since 1998 |
| 11:40.21 | tarzeau | (sorry about you'll have to find out the order of the emails yourself, though) |
| 11:40.22 | liable | mhall: um, 2.6.12 != 2.6.11 |
| 11:40.23 | mhall | lord_rob: i usually use kernel debs on boxes i set up for others though |
| 11:40.30 | mithi | Do anyone know anythings about ati driver? I have a bit bigger probem and the internet can't help :/ |
| 11:40.34 | mhall | liable: i made a 2.6.11 with it too |
| 11:40.37 | stew | mhall: i'm looking at those "allowed" sections, thats quite bizarre |
| 11:40.40 | mhall | liable: and they aren't that different |
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| 11:40.43 | mhall | stew: i know |
| 11:40.50 | stew | mhall: if debian believed that those were enforcable, it shouldn't be included in debian |
| 11:40.57 | positrix | where can i get a deb of emacs 22? |
| 11:40.59 | lord_rob | that's just because I'm too lazy not to do "apt-get install kenrel-source-2.6.xx" :p |
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| 11:41.09 | mhall | stew: but the problem is, he's the sole author, and it's only in very new versions not in the stable dist |
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| 11:41.28 | stew | hrm |
| 11:41.34 | mhall | stew: and when he's the sole author his terms are valid even if contradictory, to my understanding |
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| 11:42.01 | mhall | stew: but i don't want to fork off of anything that's not the latest code, because keeping up with schilly's changes will be hard enough already |
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| 11:42.14 | mithi | :'( |
| 11:42.24 | mhall | stew: and on top of this he might go totally psycho and quit maintaining his app |
| 11:42.43 | liable | mhall: good reason for you to take it over.. |
| 11:42.55 | mhall | stew: and if that happens i damn sure do not want to be the guy everybody blames for causing schilly to stop coding until i'm totally sure i can make it work right |
| 11:43.06 | stew | mhall: well the fact that these sections are giving you reluctance to work on it is precicely why these comments shouldn't be included |
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| 11:43.21 | mhall | stew: schilly doesn't care |
| 11:43.29 | mhall | stew: look at his lkml posts |
| 11:43.29 | stew | mhall: debian does |
| 11:43.32 | mhall | stew: he's crazy |
| 11:43.35 | stew | mhall: i know, i've seen them |
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| 11:43.48 | stew | and i've seen some of his rantings on his blog... |
| 11:43.58 | mhall | stew: but apparently -legal has discussed some of it |
| 11:44.08 | mhall | stew: so i'll be hunting through the archive tomorrow |
| 11:44.27 | mhall | when not busy working and or getting myself thoroughly drunk on Friday evening... |
| 11:44.40 | mithi | when nowone knows anything about ati driver, do anyone know where the ati support irc channel is? what server? |
| 11:44.43 | mhall | oh yes, and when not occupied chatting with the ladies... |
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| 11:44.52 | kneet | mhall, interesting - in xcdroast stuck in device /dev/hdc (no ATA or anything) and it seems to say OK - will try a test burn |
| 11:44.59 | mhall | kneet: hmm |
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| 11:45.20 | mhall | kneet: one possibility, your dmesg buffer is small and the hd messages got pushed out |
| 11:45.21 | kneet | mhall, very hmm |
| 11:45.40 | kneet | mhall, Aha - could be - I have been modprobeing other tings this session |
| 11:46.11 | mhall | kneet: that's happened to me before and i confused the hell out of myself |
| 11:46.24 | mhall | kneet: could not figure out why certain lines went missing ;-) |
| 11:47.13 | Skiver | how can i check whether a domain name is pointing to which nameserver ? |
| 11:47.31 | stew | hrm, either the lists.d.o search is broken or "Schilling" has never been mentioned on -legal... |
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| 11:47.52 | mhall | stew: hmm what about cdrecord |
| 11:47.53 | Maliuta | skiver: whois |
| 11:48.00 | mhall | stew: maybe they do not call him by name |
| 11:48.04 | Maliuta | skiver: or dig |
| 11:48.15 | mhall | stew: i think he might search for himself, so then calling him by name invites flamage |
| 11:48.36 | mhall | stew: but i can't swear to this, only a hunch |
| 11:48.46 | kneet | mhall, it appears to be burning OK |
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| 11:48.58 | mhall | kneet: sweet |
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| 11:49.11 | stew | mhall: yeah, no matches on schilling / cdrtools / cdrecord |
| 11:49.28 | kneet | I ended up talking to him about something else - something similar to sourceforge in germany - didn't realise who I was mailing to start with |
| 11:49.48 | mhall | kneet: maybe when it's done do a find /cdrom -print on it and see that it likes the directory tree of the disc OK |
| 11:50.02 | mhall | kneet: just to kind of give the disc a bit of a workout |
| 11:50.15 | kneet | Heh - OK |
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| 11:50.45 | mhall | kneet: it's a good way to see that a CD works, at least for me |
| 11:50.59 | mhall | kneet: all the defective ones i ever burnt would give directory errors |
| 11:51.12 | kneet | Mine's under /media/cdrom (this machine runs a combination of udev and autofs on top of lvm2 volumes under evms with ext3 and xfs partitions - so it can get a little confusing at times) |
| 11:51.31 | mhall | kneet: yeah, wherever you put it- there is no rule |
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| 11:51.41 | Skiver | Maliuta : is dig enlisted in unstable repo ? |
| 11:51.45 | mhall | kneet: one of my partitions mounts to ~mhall/data ;-) |
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| 11:52.04 | Maliuta | skiver: yes |
| 11:52.09 | kneet | mhall - It's odd - complicated enough but it mostly _just works_ - apart from (and this is the running theme) cd burning :) |
| 11:52.22 | Maliuta | skiver: what is the domain? |
| 11:52.29 | mhall | kneet: hehe |
| 11:52.29 | Maliuta | skiver: or a host in it |
| 11:52.44 | kneet | Is the 2.6.8+ bug that only root can burn solved in 2.6.11? |
| 11:52.46 | mhall | kneet: well i'm considering trying to do something about the headache that is cd burning |
| 11:53.00 | mhall | kneet: that's not actually a bug in the kernel |
| 11:53.08 | mhall | kneet: it's the result of a critical security patch |
| 11:53.14 | kneet | Daft enough - dvd burning (other machine) is easier - I just used growisofs and it worked |
| 11:53.15 | Skiver | Maliuta : i just want to test. |
| 11:53.34 | Skiver | Maliuta : is htdig the package name ? |
| 11:53.53 | mhall | kneet: Linus and team were notified that the kernel would allow basically anybody with even read access to a drive device to execute SCSI commands that would destroy the data or the firmware |
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| 11:54.07 | kneet | mhall, so - no easy solution then |
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| 11:54.16 | mhall | kneet: so in order to fix this they applied a patch, against which Schily started quite a war |
| 11:54.31 | kneet | I'll bet |
| 11:54.32 | Maliuta | skiver: it's in dnsutils |
| 11:54.47 | mhall | kneet: basically, add yourself to group cdrom with adduser kneet cdrom or set cdrecord suid |
| 11:54.48 | rixth | Still not an updated FF available?! 1.0.6 is out! |
| 11:54.56 | mhall | kneet: but i can't guarantee suid will work |
| 11:55.06 | kneet | I'm in group cdrom (so - as long as group is set OK it works OK?) |
| 11:55.09 | Skiver | Maliuta : alright, thanks a lot. |
| 11:55.14 | mhall | kneet: i myself just set sudo to allow the mhall user to execute anything i want |
| 11:55.26 | streuner | !info mozilla-firefox |
| 11:55.26 | mhall | kneet: so if ever a command fails, i just sudo it |
| 11:55.34 | sussudio | in soviet russia, mhall user gets executed. |
| 11:55.36 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7440 kB, Installed size: 21012 kB |
| 11:55.41 | liable | rixth: its been in sid for about a week. |
| 11:55.47 | mhall | kneet: it keeps me from making typos and frying the box |
| 11:55.59 | rixth | liable, 1.0.6 or .5? Isn't it about time we got it then? |
| 11:56.01 | mhall | sussudio: meh, at 21, i'm already 1/4 dead anyhow |
| 11:56.08 | mhall | sussudio: whaddaya want from me? |
| 11:56.11 | kneet | mhall, image burnt OK |
| 11:56.17 | mhall | kneet: ah sweet |
| 11:56.19 | petemc | mhall: you know you're going to live to 80? impressive |
| 11:56.21 | liable | rixth: 6, I havent updated since the move. |
| 11:56.31 | rixth | Ah yes okay, thanks |
| 11:56.38 | mhall | petemc: it's a rough estimate |
| 11:56.45 | mhall | petemc: notice my sig figs |
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| 11:56.53 | petemc | sig figs? |
| 11:57.01 | mhall | petemc: 1/4 not .25, .250, or 10/40, or 100/400 |
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| 11:57.09 | mhall | petemc: significant figures |
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| 11:57.16 | rixth | Now, DVD authoring tools, I want someone more user/beginner orientated, unlike DVD Styler |
| 11:57.20 | mhall | petemc: the amount of accuracy i put on the number |
| 11:57.27 | liable | mhall: sleep, go! |
| 11:57.33 | lars^ | feddd: DONT USE ROOT FOR IRC! |
| 11:57.42 | mhall | liable: oops, two words that time ;-) |
| 11:57.44 | petemc | mhall: i only notice those things 1/3 of the time... |
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| 11:58.01 | Anthro | I seem to be misremembering something. I am looking for dpkg-repackage, or something a lot like that. I did an apt-cache search for repackage, but didn't find it. What am I actually looking for? |
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| 11:58.09 | stew | lars^: if apt makes that comment, the root user has already been msged you don't need to bother |
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| 11:58.19 | mhall | petemc: sussudio and I don't get along so well. He trolls me pretty often so I just give him half-assed answers. |
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| 11:58.38 | mhall | petemc: I think it started many months ago when I tried to convince him not to pick on some n00b or another... |
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| 11:58.50 | nkuttler | Anthro: what is this something supposed to do? |
| 11:59.02 | pusling | /nick root |
| 11:59.04 | Anthro | nkuttler: Produce a .deb from a currently installed package. |
| 11:59.14 | toor | better. |
| 11:59.17 | toor | np :: ( Oakenfold - Ready Steady Go (Remix) ) (3:00/4:48) |
| 11:59.32 | liable | toor: no, farter makes me giggle :) |
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| 11:59.37 | salvia | haha |
| 12:00.09 | nkuttler | Anthro: apt-cache search dpkg | grep ^dpkg |
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| 12:00.39 | ceee | Hi. Somebody can help me please. I upgraded my system to Sarge and now Have two problems. First ist, dass something seems broken in my LAMP concerning php4-mysql |
| 12:00.42 | Anthro | nkuttler: Ah, it's -repack, not -repackage. |
| 12:01.09 | Anthro | nkuttler: Just a little brainfart. |
| 12:01.28 | ceee | getting "Call to undefinded function: mysql_connect()" but I have all packages: php4-mysql, php4, libpache-mod-php4, |
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| 12:01.37 | kneet | Talking about dmesg and things - boot time - is there a way to log everything that floats up the screen - I see errors (that are I think to do with config files to removed packages) but nothing in /var/log - some kind of boot log thing I think I remember hearing about |
| 12:02.05 | salvia | ceee : apache2? |
| 12:02.12 | mhall | ceee: include / requires right? |
| 12:02.21 | liable | kneet: bootlogd, /etc/defaults, but just use ctrl S, ctrl Q |
| 12:02.25 | ceee | salvia: apache 1.3.33-6 |
| 12:02.34 | kneet | liable, thx |
| 12:02.37 | Anthro | ceee: Do you have mysql-client installed? |
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| 12:02.42 | salvia | ah |
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| 12:03.08 | ceee | mhall: I upgraded an did not change something in php code. So i guessed all have to work .. |
| 12:03.14 | kneet | liable, I'm not usually present when it boots (remote host) - but I can turn it on for one boot run :) |
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| 12:03.35 | ceee | Anthro: I have mysql-client-4.1 |
| 12:03.36 | chealer | ceee: did you restart apache? |
| 12:03.55 | ceee | chealer: yes, and again and again |
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| 12:03.56 | liable | kneet: bootlogd may work then, fucker wont for me though. |
| 12:04.02 | salvia | ceee what are you trying to do |
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| 12:04.06 | kneet | liable, worth a try :) |
| 12:04.15 | saitan | why su is changing LC_ALL ? couldn't find any dot file or doc justifying it |
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| 12:04.32 | kneet | liable, if I have to I can get into where the box is - so c-S and Q should work |
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| 12:04.44 | ceee | salvia: in the php code that produces the error? |
| 12:04.45 | chealer | saitan: how do you invoke it? |
| 12:05.05 | liable | kneet: its good, and definately works, timing is everything :) |
| 12:05.07 | saitan | chealer, su - ,username> or just su - |
| 12:05.16 | chealer | saitan: look at the BTS |
| 12:05.25 | salvia | ceee, i still dont understand what are you trying to do |
| 12:05.33 | cahoot | ceee: the perms on the db are unchanged? |
| 12:05.34 | Anthro | ceee: hrm. php4-mysql depends on libmysqlclient12, but mysql-client-4.1 depends on libmysqlclient14. Try installing mysql-client instead. |
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| 12:05.58 | salvia | ceee, u using apt right/ |
| 12:06.00 | salvia | ? |
| 12:06.05 | saitan | chealer, BTS? |
| 12:06.16 | chealer | !topicsmite saitan |
| 12:06.19 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon saitan. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 12:06.28 | liable | !btssmite saitan |
| 12:06.38 | ceee | salvia: I had an working LAMP with woody+dotdeb and now upgraded to sarge. the old php code with the DB won't work anymore. yes using apt-get and aptitude |
| 12:06.47 | mhall | saitan: when you invoke it like that, you need to remember that it's reading root's profile and environment |
| 12:06.55 | mhall | saitan: and in the process LC_ALL will change |
| 12:06.56 | Anthro | !aussiesmite liable |
| 12:06.56 | dpkg | liable: yee bloody yank |
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| 12:07.17 | mhall | saitan: if you ran the same thing with su and no '-' or with sudo this change will not occur |
| 12:07.21 | jerome | hum, during base-install, we're asked for the user whose root mails are redirected to, what's the name of the pkg to dpkg-reconfigure to change that ? |
| 12:07.23 | mhall | !mansmite saitan |
| 12:07.27 | salvia | weird |
| 12:07.35 | Anthro | jerome: It's written to /etc/aliases, IIRC |
| 12:07.39 | mhall | Anthro: I just guessed that smite. |
| 12:07.40 | liable | !abuse Anthro |
| 12:07.42 | mhall | Anthro: score! |
| 12:07.43 | kneet | mhall, burning works well - to /dev/hdc - but a nice line in cdrecords logs - "Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported." |
| 12:07.46 | salvia | !abuse * |
| 12:07.47 | dpkg | *: You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert! |
| 12:07.49 | ceee | Anthro: trying to install mysql-client will uninstall my mysql-server-4.1 |
| 12:07.51 | salvia | lol |
| 12:07.54 | mhall | kneet: that's Schily for you |
| 12:07.59 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: do you have the line 'extension=mysql.so' in your php.ini? |
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| 12:08.11 | saitan | mhall, but login root or login <username> gives the right LC_ALL I will have a look in bts |
| 12:08.18 | mhall | kneet: from what i read and hear it's actually more reliable than his idea |
| 12:08.19 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: (which is probably at /etc/php4/apache/) |
| 12:08.37 | dimi3 | how to mount a ntfs mount -t nfts umask=0 ro /dev/hda1 /mnt/C |
| 12:08.39 | bibe | ceee: tried mysql-client-4.1 ? |
| 12:08.41 | mhall | saitan: hmm. you better check on your locales configuration |
| 12:08.43 | kneet | mhall, well - it sounds simpler (although I know nothing of the internals) |
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| 12:08.48 | petemc | dimi3: umask=022 |
| 12:08.54 | mhall | saitan: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:09.10 | Anthro | ceee: Do you need 4.1 rather than 4.0? It's not clear that php4-mysql plays nice with mysql 4.1. Though... let me check if there's a php4-mysql-4.1 |
| 12:09.17 | mhall | saitan: that's what I always try when having these sorts of issues... |
| 12:09.29 | salvia | sql 4.0 is stable right, 4.1 is dev.. ? |
| 12:09.34 | ceee | SaneEnglishMonk: No. Do I have to have this in that file? is this something new.. |
| 12:09.45 | saitan | mhall: thanks , btw I am using sarge |
| 12:10.02 | bibe | salvia : the two branches are "stable", dev is 5.0 |
| 12:10.04 | mhall | saitan: i'm sorry i cannot provide more detailed input |
| 12:10.08 | Anthro | ceee: It looks like php4-mysql only plays with mysql 4.0 |
| 12:10.17 | salvia | aight |
| 12:10.20 | mhall | saitan: i'm pretty new to locales, having just switched UTF8 on a few weeks ago |
| 12:10.20 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: Yes, try adding the line, and restart apache |
| 12:10.35 | Anthro | mhall: very nice (mansmite) |
| 12:10.46 | weedar | During bootup are there any other placement than the rcX.d directories that make programs start? |
| 12:10.48 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: (the Dynamic Extensions section is a good place to add it) |
| 12:10.48 | mhall | Anthro: yeah it was quite a beautiful piece of work |
| 12:10.59 | mhall | Anthro: somebody put real time and effort into it |
| 12:11.26 | kneet | Anthro, I'm using php4-mysql against mysql 4.1 - haven't had an issue |
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| 12:11.44 | Anthro | mhall: dpkg is truly a community-built work of art. That, or it's a pile of crap. Not sure which. |
| 12:11.48 | nomed^ | i would use a shell script like "while read i ;do echo $i ;done<file" using chroot .. the man is orrible .. do you know how to do this? |
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| 12:12.07 | mhall | Anthro: 05:11 <dpkg> CMD: mansmite (.*?) -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@archimedes.ucr.edu> at Mon Sep 13 08:04:46 2004 (319 days). |
| 12:12.18 | Anthro | kneet,ceee: hrm. Well, I'm at the end of my LAMP expertise. Call me back when you're using PostgreSQL and JSP/Struts. |
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| 12:12.25 | mhall | Anthro: there's why. dondelelcaro is a pretty literate guy |
| 12:12.35 | Anthro | mhall: Yeah, he's entertaining. |
| 12:12.52 | mhall | Anthro: lol you just _HAVE_ to develop using nonstandard stuff, huh |
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| 12:13.01 | mhall | Anthro: always gotta be different from everybody else |
| 12:13.06 | mhall | Anthro: elitist |
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| 12:13.08 | mhall | Anthro: ;-) |
| 12:13.19 | ceee | SaneEnglishMonk: I found that extension=mysql.o and uncommented it. apache restartet. nothing changes |
| 12:13.20 | kneet | mhall, well - I also use struts - but not postgresql |
| 12:13.43 | Anthro | mhall: Oh, yeah, I know. I'm all picky about data integrity, normalization, nested queries, and pushing processing into the database. It's a failing. |
| 12:13.53 | mhall | Anthro: :-) |
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| 12:14.10 | mhall | Anthro: at least it's not oracle *shudder* |
| 12:14.21 | mhall | !mhallsmite Oracle 10g |
| 12:14.22 | dpkg | Fuck Oracle 10g. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
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| 12:14.34 | petemc | i use oracle on solaris, and postgres on linux |
| 12:14.35 | Anthro | mhall: And actually, these days, I'd probably use ASP.NET with Mono rather than JSP/Struts. My last work project was an ASP.NET webapp (on Windows, sigh), and it was a pleasure to work with. |
| 12:14.36 | liraz | I'm trying to compile btsco. I've followed all the instructions from http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/ succesfully - but when I modprobe snd_bt_sco I get: FATAL: Module snd_bt_sco not found.. There were no errors through ./bootstrap ./configure or make or make install |
| 12:14.38 | petemc | both v good |
| 12:15.07 | mhall | Anthro: people make fun of C# but from what I can tell it's like Java without all the stupid crap |
| 12:15.08 | Anthro | mhall: PL/SQL isn't too bad, but OMFG why is there no Boolean column type? WTF is wrong with those people? |
| 12:15.22 | mhall | Anthro: you've got me |
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| 12:15.39 | mhall | Anthro: we work with horrifyingly gigantic non-normalized data |
| 12:15.44 | mhall | Anthro: terabytes |
| 12:15.47 | mhall | Anthro: it's ugly |
| 12:15.48 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: hmmmm. Which file did you edit? |
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| 12:16.01 | mhall | Anthro: a Sun E25K barely keeps up. |
| 12:16.16 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: And are you using php as cgi or as an apache module? |
| 12:16.19 | mhall | Anthro: with over 100GB RAM and several hundred GB swap |
| 12:16.44 | ceee | /etc/php4/apache/php.ini. using libapache-mod-php4 |
| 12:16.51 | mhall | Anthro: I bet if we compared against MySQL 5 (upcoming, I hear) 10g would be thoroughly pwnt. |
| 12:17.00 | Anthro | mhall: C# is Java (the language) done right. None of this crackheaded naming convention shit for fake "properties" but real, runtime-supported, reflectable properties. No more bullshit with a million listener interfaces, but working, OO "function pointers" used as callbacks. It's great. Oh, and I'm looking forward to the 2.0 features of generics (of course) and "yield return." |
| 12:17.26 | mhall | Anthro: I need to try using C# for something. |
| 12:17.55 | mhall | Anthro: But my big thing is, I know if my C/C++ code doesn't work, it's my own damn fault, and with these new languages I never can tell if it's me or the library... |
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| 12:18.05 | Anthro | mhall: If I need a DB, I use PostgreSQL (when I have the choice). When I need a scalable, commercial DB, I'll use DB2. Fuck Oracle, fuck SQL server (though it does have decent design tools), and double-fuck Sybase and Informix. |
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| 12:18.10 | kneet | mhall, we've just started on it here - surprisingly pleasant to work with |
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| 12:18.28 | mhall | kneet: on C#? |
| 12:18.37 | kneet | yes |
| 12:18.48 | mhall | kneet: people say a lot of good about it |
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| 12:19.17 | lord_rob | how can I see which gcc version my kernel was compiled with ? |
| 12:19.24 | kneet | mhall, Been playing with the mono libs in unstable - works pretty well |
| 12:19.26 | mhall | lord_rob: look at /proc/version |
| 12:19.29 | Anthro | mhall: The .NET libraries from Microsoft are astonishingly well-implemented and bug-free, especially for a 1.1 release from them. I haven't tried Mono. I'm not a fan of MS, but I'll give credit where credit is due. They did C# and .NET and ASP.NET *right*. |
| 12:19.34 | mhall | /bin/sh: /proc/version: Permission denied |
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| 12:19.40 | ceee | SaneEnglishMonk: php works. e.g. phpinfo() is working. seems to be something with the mysql-part? |
| 12:19.51 | kneet | Anthro, forming the same impression here too |
| 12:20.13 | mhall | Linux version 2.6.12.2 (root@themhallbox) (gcc version 4.0.1 (Debian 4.0.1-2)) #1 Thu Jul 14 00:37:39 PDT 2005 |
| 12:20.36 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: does php_info() have a 'mysql' section? |
| 12:20.41 | mhall | Anthro: I think it's a sign that they take the threats seriously. |
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| 12:21.00 | mhall | Anthro: I hear their latest 2 or 3 VS.NET compilers are killer and very much standard compliant. |
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| 12:21.23 | sciron | and buugy if you mean m$ |
| 12:21.34 | Anthro | kneet: I want to see Mono really take off, and come out from under the cloud of IMPENDING PATENT DOOM. I want to see .NET and a large standard core library (much more than is in the ECMA standard) get deployed and used across all platforms. This is a framework on which I would be happy to see all future built. |
| 12:21.48 | mhall | Anthro: not me |
| 12:21.52 | sciron | me either |
| 12:21.53 | Anthro | future *software*, and that's not counting realtime stuff. |
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| 12:22.02 | mhall | Anthro: I don't like stuff I can't hard compile. |
| 12:22.18 | Anthro | mhall: Compile to native? Eh, it's overrated. |
| 12:22.24 | mhall | Anthro: I'm in a field where 'unlimited CPU power' reaches its limits. |
| 12:22.42 | mhall | Anthro: not when C++ XML Validation is 4x the speed of that in Java 5. |
| 12:22.55 | mhall | Anthro: And Java 5 runs 1.5x slower than Java 4. |
| 12:23.04 | mhall | Anthro: I don't trust runtimes for performance. |
| 12:23.14 | ceee | SaneEnglishMonk: mysql only as compile-option and as supported db. but no own section. (I sent you the link to phpinfo) |
| 12:23.33 | Anthro | mhall: The really nice thing about an intermediate language like MSIL or Java bytecode is that optimizations can be made at runtime (read up on hotspot) that simply can't be determined statically. Of course, for sheer number-crunching we will always be using C or FORTRAN. |
| 12:23.42 | sciron | don't suppose anyone else noticed the bind9 /etc/init.d/script is borked in testing? |
| 12:23.47 | mhall | Anthro: I'm not saying I want always to compile to native, 9/10 times scripting is 1337. |
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| 12:24.04 | mhall | Anthro: But I want the option. I read on Hotspot. It doesn't work for me well at all on what I do. |
| 12:24.17 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: got the link - I see what you mean |
| 12:24.24 | liable | wow! |
| 12:24.27 | sciron | */etc/init.d/bind9 |
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| 12:25.25 | mhall | I do not want to be stuck in a dead end language where I cannot write a device driver or put in some inline asm, or whatever. |
| 12:25.36 | sceig | what command do i have to type in order to see the lines added in real time in /var/log/syslog file ? |
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| 12:25.42 | sciron | tail -f |
| 12:25.44 | Anthro | mhall: Java and .NET are very well-suited to certain applications, particularly end-user (if not for the crackheadedness of AWT/Swing), web applications, distributed systems (e.g. web services, not parallel computing), etc. I'll back down from all software. |
| 12:25.49 | sceig | tks |
| 12:25.51 | mhall | I want one language that allows the full spectrum of programming tasks to be addressed, albeit in slightly different ways... |
| 12:25.55 | tralala | C#, .NET, mono... all seem a *bit* overhyped to me. Do I need yet another java? I didn't find any use of the existing one, I don't think I'll find from the future ones. And what's wrong with all the interpreted languages out there? Are they any worse than Java or C#? |
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| 12:26.36 | mhall | tralala: Java looked at C++, said, eew! we can do better, then C# looked at Java, and did the same... |
| 12:26.49 | mhall | tralala: But that said, I'm a hardcore C++ programmer. |
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| 12:27.00 | tralala | heh, you seem to have a point here :) |
| 12:27.13 | sciron | c# isn't worth the space it occupies on the installation CD, imo |
| 12:27.15 | Coke | mhall: yet all of them keep on failing |
| 12:27.21 | Wyzard | mhall: Then Nemerle looked at C# and said, eew! we can do better... |
| 12:27.23 | mhall | I'll give up my g++ binary when my drive is pried out of my cold dead fingers. |
| 12:27.34 | mhall | Wyzard: that's language design for you |
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| 12:27.46 | ceee | SaneEnglishMonk: it's working now |
| 12:27.47 | Anthro | tralala: The main thing that Java or .NET gives you is a good tradeoff between speed and flexibility. A scripting language is more flexible, but slower. C and C++ are fast, but lack a lot of runtime support (other than exceptions and RTTI, there's nothing). |
| 12:27.51 | mhall | Wyzard: people are motivated by their anger and dislike, then they try to do better |
| 12:27.57 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: excellent |
| 12:28.02 | sciron | only thing worse than C# put out by m$ that i've seen is j# |
| 12:28.03 | Coke | Then Guido van Rossum said "all these languages are crap, let's borrow stuff from functional programming, yet use the simple approach of object orientation" and thus Python was born. :) |
| 12:28.10 | Coke | !start langauge war |
| 12:28.10 | mhall | Anthro: polymorphism, function pointers, user exits, etc. |
| 12:28.10 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, how do you launch X in Cygwin these days? |
| 12:28.18 | mhall | Anthro: don't forget those |
| 12:28.39 | ceee | SaneEnglishMonk: ARG, there was a typo in the line where i removed the ";" in php.ini |
| 12:28.41 | mhall | Anthro: operator overloading, generic functions (not runtime, but pretty sweet) |
| 12:28.49 | mhall | Anthro: dynamic casts |
| 12:28.54 | Anthro | mhall: Don't get me wrong, I love C++. I consider Java a poor point in the tradeoff, sitting between C++ and C#. |
| 12:29.06 | sciron | go VB! |
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| 12:29.12 | Coke | Anthro: Java and C# trade off too many OO ideas. |
| 12:29.18 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: ah, right - I was about to ask you about that line anyway (just checking what apache rather than apache2 wanted) :) |
| 12:29.25 | saitan | mhall: I think this is the prob http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=202840 . I think I better explicit assing LC_All for al my users |
| 12:29.28 | mhall | Anthro: another cool thing, with C++ you can decide whether your methods need the overhead of being virtual |
| 12:29.30 | SaneEnglishMonk | ceee: good to know it's fixed |
| 12:29.47 | ceee | Oh, that fix also fixed my second bug. hu? |
| 12:29.53 | saitan | mhall: thanks again |
| 12:30.01 | Anthro | mhall: Dude, I love C++. I truly love static type-checking, which is one of the things that Java tossed out the window. Java with generics and C# with generics brought it back to some extent. |
| 12:30.04 | tralala | Anthro: faster that scripting but still slower than compiled... seems like a niche market to me |
| 12:30.13 | Coke | Anthro: Java has static type checking |
| 12:30.16 | Anthro | mhall: C# also supports non-virtual functions. |
| 12:30.19 | ceee | I have segmentation faults in apache childs when accesing https. Now after the fix at php/mysql https works |
| 12:30.31 | Anthro | Coke: It does, but much of the library requires you to cast. A lot. |
| 12:30.44 | saitan | signing off |
| 12:30.49 | mhall | saitan: that's definitely your bug |
| 12:30.51 | Coke | Anthro: so? still static typing, which I consider sucks to the maxx |
| 12:30.52 | Anthro | tralala: It's a pretty large niche, actually. It's the middle ground. |
| 12:30.55 | sciron | what's the bug report lookup binary called? |
| 12:30.58 | mhall | !tell saitan about source |
| 12:31.00 | sciron | query<somethine> |
| 12:31.02 | sciron | *something |
| 12:31.03 | mhall | sciron: reportbug |
| 12:31.13 | sciron | the other one, i'm not ready to report it yet |
| 12:31.17 | sciron | need to do research first |
| 12:31.29 | mhall | sciron: it'll help you do that |
| 12:31.30 | sciron | haven't had coffee yet, brain is non-functional |
| 12:31.32 | sciron | k |
| 12:31.34 | liable | sciron: apt-listbugs |
| 12:31.39 | mhall | ah that too |
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| 12:31.45 | Coke | people here are confusing terminology. what language discussed so far is not compiled? |
| 12:31.49 | sciron | querybts! |
| 12:31.57 | Coke | also, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what defines a scripting language. |
| 12:32.08 | mhall | Coke: Java and C# are half-compiled |
| 12:32.12 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: A language is a scripting language if you use it to write scripts. |
| 12:32.13 | sciron | Coke> it's when the source code isn't altered to produce an executable |
| 12:32.16 | Coke | mhall: no, they are fully compiled |
| 12:32.18 | mhall | Coke: they don't generate valid assembly code |
| 12:32.19 | ricky_clarkson | Static typing and dynamic typing are NOTHING to do with compiled or interpreted. |
| 12:32.23 | Anthro | Coke: The biggest downside of C++ is a lack of (universally applicable) garbage collection. The biggest benefit of C++ is that much of the testing one needs to do on a system is done by the compiler rather than following execution paths. |
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| 12:32.43 | UmInAsHoE | hey all |
| 12:32.45 | Coke | mhall: so? i386 is not valid assembler code on m68k, yet it is compiled |
| 12:32.48 | ricky_clarkson | Every programming language's runtime does interpretation, just at different levels. |
| 12:32.55 | tralala | Coke: bah, who needs to clarify terminology when everybody knows what is being discussed? |
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| 12:33.00 | mhall | Coke: there is no processor that runs JVM or CLR |
| 12:33.07 | liable | wow, when did #debian become #programming? |
| 12:33.07 | Coke | mhall: so? |
| 12:33.08 | mhall | Coke: as its native bytecodes |
| 12:33.20 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: Java isn't limited to being bytecode. |
| 12:33.32 | Coke | mhall: it's not binary code usable directly by any processor we know of, but make no mistake about it; it's binary and it's very much compiled. |
| 12:33.34 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: Yes it is. Name one Java hard-compile that works. |
| 12:33.37 | UmInAsHoE | how many debain cds do i need to do a stable install with kde? |
| 12:33.39 | Gathond | mhall: actually SUN have made MCU's running java natively |
| 12:33.40 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: gcj. |
| 12:33.41 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: I looked for it forever. |
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| 12:33.45 | Anthro | mhall: Well, Sun did spec out a chip that ran Java bytecode natively, but I don't think anyone ever built one. |
| 12:33.48 | liable | UmInAsHoE: iso1 |
| 12:33.53 | UmInAsHoE | that it? |
| 12:33.54 | Coke | tralala: because otherwise people will misunderstand. |
| 12:33.56 | mhall | Coke: I acknowledge your statement but do not accept it. |
| 12:33.58 | liable | yes |
| 12:34.00 | UmInAsHoE | sweet |
| 12:34.01 | Coke | sciron: I don't understand your sentence |
| 12:34.03 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: javac. ;) |
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| 12:34.10 | UmInAsHoE | so whats on the rest of them :S? |
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| 12:34.18 | Coke | mhall: then you do not accept the definition of the words set by the world. |
| 12:34.18 | shank | is gnome/kde broken in sid? |
| 12:34.23 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: gcj XMLJ support and AWT and Swing are teh b0rk3dd |
| 12:34.27 | sciron | Coke> there are two basic forms of processed languages: compiled and scripted (excluding minor variants that don't matter) |
| 12:34.31 | Anthro | shank: Most of the time, yes. |
| 12:34.42 | mhall | Coke: It's 5:30 AM and I've been up all night. I do not give the tiniest shit. |
| 12:34.46 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: Oh, and a JVM tends to compile to processor code at runtime, ever heard of JIT? |
| 12:34.46 | liable | shank: probably, deal.. |
| 12:34.46 | Wyzard | mhall: gcj's native compilation *does* work... on the other hand, it's possible to compile other languages, including C++ I believe, into Java bytecode |
| 12:34.52 | Coke | mhall: if you look the words up you'll see that compilers need not produce binary code for specific processors. |
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| 12:34.56 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: Yeah, it sucks for XML processing. |
| 12:35.01 | mhall | Coke: I disagree. |
| 12:35.05 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: Ok, even Sun Java has a JIT. |
| 12:35.06 | sciron | Coke> the foundation is that a) a compiled language is one in which the source code is parsed into a binary program natively understood by a CPU |
| 12:35.06 | Anthro | Wyzard: Yes, but it won't pass the JVM validation. |
| 12:35.09 | Coke | mhall: it's not a matter of oppinion in this case. |
| 12:35.10 | tralala | Coke: Giving people unnecessarily sophisticated definitions is what makes them misunderstand stuff |
| 12:35.18 | mhall | Coke: I'm working from a descriptive interpretation not a prescriptive one. |
| 12:35.22 | Coke | sciron: no. the binary code does not have to be understood by a CPU |
| 12:35.29 | sciron | Coke> then of what use is it? |
| 12:35.45 | sciron | Coke> it HAS to be understandable by a CPU ;) |
| 12:35.47 | mhall | Coke: Therefore I'm allowing myself the freedom of using a definition widely held by those with whom I am primarily conversing at this point in time. |
| 12:35.48 | lars^ | Did anybody in here tryd buying a used linux book from amazon? |
| 12:36.00 | Coke | tralala: yes, and they made it too complicated by adding that it has to be for a working and existing CPU. |
| 12:36.05 | Coke | sciron: no. |
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| 12:36.22 | Wyzard | This *was* an interesting discussion about programming languages, and now it's bickering over the meaning of the word "compiled" |
| 12:36.27 | UmInAsHoE | thanks liable |
| 12:36.32 | Coke | sciron: both Java and Python have compilers and they both produce binary code niether of which has any hardware implementations (that I know of) |
| 12:36.32 | Gathond | Wyzard: hehe:) |
| 12:36.45 | sciron | Coke> BASIC has a compiler too, yet it's not a compiled language... |
| 12:36.49 | Anthro | sciron: It's a matter of Turing completeness. Any Turing complete processor (i.e. pretty much anything called a CPU) can execute any program... but it may require transformation or interpretation. |
| 12:36.52 | liable | lars^: wtf has that to do with #debian? (even though the main conversation here also has fuck all to do with it :) |
| 12:36.59 | Wyzard | Java is compiled, but not (in its typical usage) into the native code of any existing processor |
| 12:37.01 | shank | liable, such friendly banter |
| 12:37.05 | ricky_clarkson | Why is it important that a language compiles to native bytecode? |
| 12:37.06 | Anthro | sciron: Depends on the BASIC implementation. VB6 is compiled. |
| 12:37.14 | sciron | Anthro> I know.... he's arguing the basic foundation of scripted vs. compiled..... |
| 12:37.20 | sciron | Anthro> VB isn't basic |
| 12:37.22 | mhall | Anthro: And whenever it does require this, count on it fucking up when you try to process big data really quickly. |
| 12:37.23 | liable | shank: bite me :) |
| 12:37.25 | lars^ | liable: k then ill take it somewhere else. |
| 12:37.40 | TBBle | Man, and I thought the 'test -a' bug was a futile way to spend time... |
| 12:37.44 | Coke | I've looked "compile" up and it says the binary code should be "machine language" and luckily for that both java and python have virtual machines. |
| 12:37.46 | sciron | VB is VB, basic requires line numbers and a few other not-so-niceties |
| 12:37.52 | TBBle | "reading the" rather. |
| 12:37.52 | Anthro | sciron: That's what the B stands for, you know. And there was an older BASIC implementation (GW or something) that was compiled. |
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| 12:38.19 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: No particular reason other than that all of the non-hardcode languages I've used have inadequate performance for the applications I run. |
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| 12:38.20 | sciron | Anthro> GW and Q are not even close to being original implementations.... |
| 12:38.21 | tralala | Coke: so since you asked for definition, here is mine: compiled languages - that are like C, interpreted languages - like lisp, prolog, perl, python, in the middle (half-compiled, half-interpreted) - java. Simple, isn't it? |
| 12:38.33 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: If somebody fixes it, I'll use one. But it's doubtful. |
| 12:38.43 | TBBle | QBasic doesn't require line numbers. Applesoft BASIC (and all the Usbourne BASIC books) did though. |
| 12:38.43 | Anthro | sciron: Um, there never was a BASIC standard, if that's what you're getting at. No one gave a shit. |
| 12:39.05 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: VM languages require ugly bitshifting to run. Bitshifting bullshit is inherently extremely inefficient to implement. |
| 12:39.14 | sciron | Anthro> and what color is purple? indigo? violet? ;) |
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| 12:39.24 | sciron | depends on who's looking at it.. |
| 12:39.25 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: Because of that, I doubt there will ever be a VM language adequate for my situation. |
| 12:39.26 | Phated | lilac. |
| 12:39.32 | Anthro | mhall: Eh? Bit-shifting is very efficient. |
| 12:39.36 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: What's your situation? |
| 12:39.36 | sciron | lol Phated |
| 12:39.44 | mithi | hi, where can i find the xorg.conf? |
| 12:39.44 | mhall | Anthro: not literally << and >> stuff |
| 12:39.46 | Anthro | sciron: You need to be more precise. Give me a Pantone number. |
| 12:39.52 | TBBle | If you're travelling fast enough, then blue is too. |
| 12:39.57 | drac | mithi: /etc/X11 |
| 12:39.59 | liable | mhall: same place as xfree.. |
| 12:40.02 | igge | mhall: what are you going to do? why not just use C? |
| 12:40.03 | mhall | Anthro: I mean twiddling the bits in the VM opcodes into native CPU instructions. |
| 12:40.04 | Anthro | mhall: I'm talking about on the processor. Bit-shifting is cheaper than an add. |
| 12:40.06 | sciron | y'all are processing my point exaclty |
| 12:40.06 | Phated | If you're on enough crack, it's acid green. |
| 12:40.08 | sciron | *exactly |
| 12:40.10 | mhall | igge: I do. |
| 12:40.10 | xoz | mhall: what about transmeta's way of virtualization? |
| 12:40.12 | liable | mhall: sorry |
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| 12:40.18 | igge | ok |
| 12:40.26 | sciron | i only came in to bitch about bind9 in the testing branch 8-) |
| 12:40.30 | mithi | hum nothing :( |
| 12:40.33 | peterS | lilac isn't a color |
| 12:40.35 | Anthro | mhall: Ah. Well, it's a compilation step. Mind you, it's a *very* small performance hit on long-running programs. |
| 12:40.36 | igge | what is this discussion about then? (it seemed interesting) |
| 12:40.39 | mhall | xoz: Theirs is kind of like a programmable gate array. |
| 12:40.47 | mhall | Anthro: not in my experience |
| 12:40.54 | peterS | obviously, if lilac were a color, it would show up in /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
| 12:41.02 | sciron | lol |
| 12:41.04 | liable | peterS: of course it is. |
| 12:41.07 | Anthro | mhall: Your experience has probably been with pre-1.4 Java. |
| 12:41.10 | mhall | Anthro: Why is Xerces-C++ 4x faster than Xerces-J when the code algorithms are nearly identical. |
| 12:41.10 | TBBle | lilac by any other name would still be purple. |
| 12:41.12 | xoz | !dict lilac |
| 12:41.14 | dpkg | Dictionary 'lilac' (1 of 2): Lilac \Li"lac\ (l[imac]"lak), n. [Also lilach.] [Sp. lilac, lila, Ar. l[=i]lak, fr. Per. l[=i]laj, l[=i]lanj, l[=i]lang, n[=i]laj, n[=i]l, the indigo plant, or from the kindred l[=i]lak bluish, the flowers being named from the color. Cf. Anil.] 1. (Bot.) A shrub of the genus Syringa. There are six species, natives of Europe and Asia. Syringa vulgaris, the common lilac, and S. Persica, the Persian lilac, are ... |
| 12:41.18 | peterS | liable: nah. /etc/X11/rgb.txt has all the colors fit to print |
| 12:41.22 | Phated | peterS: Pish posh, acid green isn't in there ether. |
| 12:41.24 | liable | peterS: otherwise it wouldnt have a name :P |
| 12:41.28 | mhall | Anthro: Also, why is Java 1.5 1.5x slower at XML processing than Java 1.4? |
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| 12:41.44 | xoz | *the flowers being named from the color* |
| 12:41.46 | Anthro | mhall: That mostly has to do with memory management. Java is INSANELY wasteful about memory allocation, particularly Strings. |
| 12:41.49 | peterS | liable: then again, they're not *really* fit to print because they're given in uncalibrated RGB rather than some calibrated form of CMYK |
| 12:41.50 | liable | peterS: oh, now your just being technical :P |
| 12:42.06 | mhall | Anthro: It's impossible to do decent profiling and analysis on Java. I have no idea why that code fucks up. |
| 12:42.20 | Phated | peterS: If lilac were not a colour, I wouldn't have had to argue about whether a pillow was lilac or lavender with some woman. |
| 12:42.34 | peterS | Phated: ha! |
| 12:42.39 | Phated | Friday? It's Sunday you want to watch out for. |
| 12:42.43 | mithi | hum and how can i configure fglrx? what is the command? |
| 12:42.48 | mhall | Anthro: What I know is, when I use a more efficient, better designed, hardware-respecting language that cares about what real hardware does instead of fake hardware, I get extremely better performance. |
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| 12:42.57 | liable | Phated: um, dunno about that.. |
| 12:42.59 | Phated | peterS: yeS, ha to you too. :) |
| 12:43.02 | Anthro | mhall: And here you're talking Java. Remember, C# looked at Java and said "we can do better" |
| 12:43.03 | kneet | Phated, Catch me sitting in #debian on a sunday - going to be sitting by a lake in the middle of a forest |
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| 12:43.05 | mhall | Anthro: I believe VM languages promote a wasteful low-quality programming philosophy. |
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| 12:43.06 | TBBle | And thanks to timezones, the moment it stops being Friday anywhere, it's Sunday somewhere. |
| 12:43.14 | drac | mithi: fglrxconfig, but backup config first. |
| 12:43.18 | peterS | Phated: I had a Wednesday week. it was really weird. on Tuesday I was sure it was Wednesday. eventually I noticed that it wasn't. then yesterday (Thursday) I thought it was Wednesday again. |
| 12:43.23 | Phated | kneet: How awful for you. Remember your bug spray. |
| 12:43.24 | mhall | Anthro: Sorry, I'm just letting my honest and true bias show out. |
| 12:43.29 | xoz | java is just a horrible idea. compile once, run everywhere is only good for you don't run it often. otherwise, you better compile into machine code and be satisfied with run *often* instead of run *everywhere* |
| 12:43.33 | Anthro | mhall: VM languages waste computer time to save development time. It's a tradeoff. |
| 12:43.36 | peterS | Phated: what exactly I thought on Wednesday, I cannot remember |
| 12:43.42 | Phated | peterS: Oh, I know what you mean. I once missed an entire day of school because I thought it was a Monday. |
| 12:43.44 | antgel | does cron-apt do the dist-upgrade by default? i've jsut installed it and looks that way, but i can't believe it would. |
| 12:43.54 | FieldySnuts | like the deja vu sketch from monty python heh |
| 12:44.02 | Wyzard | mhall: We're in an era where we can usually afford to "waste" a few bytes or a few processor cycles in exchange for allowing more-maintainable code written at a higher level of abstraction |
| 12:44.02 | peterS | Phated: you normally skip school on Mondays? |
| 12:44.04 | tarzeau | Anthro, mhall remember java copied just Objective-C |
| 12:44.17 | peterS | FieldySnuts: I don't think I've ever had a week with three apparent Wednesdays before. very odd sensation. |
| 12:44.17 | Tenkawa | Wyzard: yes we are but the question is "why waste it" |
| 12:44.25 | mhall | Anthro: My situation is that I work on a data processing team for a phone company. We collect billing information from the cellular phone network and convert it / clean it up then send it to other groups in the company. |
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| 12:44.26 | Tenkawa | thats why crap os so bloated nowadays |
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| 12:44.37 | Tenkawa | err is |
| 12:44.44 | Anthro | mhall: I'm not going to tell you that C# or Java will execute as fast as or faster than C++, but I will tell you that developing and maintaining a large Java or .NET application over the course of years is much less human-intensive. |
| 12:44.45 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i'm not willing to wait for software to start showing me damned splashscreens on multitasking computer of today: openoffice, gnome, kde |
| 12:44.45 | Phated | peterS: No, I normally start school at 10 on Mondays. On this day, I forgot to leave the house and ended up realising I would arrive at school just as it ended. |
| 12:44.48 | mhall | Anthro: Java and friends are so horrifyingly inefficient that they bring a fully loaded Sun E25k to its knees. |
| 12:44.52 | tralala | Anthro: precisely like scripting languages lower the development time even further |
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| 12:44.56 | Tenkawa | we've gotten away from writing efficient code |
| 12:44.58 | peterS | Phated: ahh. |
| 12:45.14 | mhall | Anthro: Of course mindless monkey code requires fewer humans. |
| 12:45.21 | Tenkawa | mhall: ROFL |
| 12:45.21 | Anthro | tarzeau: And they did a bad job, leaving some of the most important parts of Obj-C (dynamic messages, selectors) on the floor. |
| 12:45.22 | mhall | Anthro: But I don't think that's good. |
| 12:45.28 | tarzeau | Anthro: exactly |
| 12:45.30 | Phated | peterS: Indeed. I was horrified yet amused. |
| 12:45.40 | tarzeau | Anthro: you've got anything todo with sun.com? |
| 12:45.45 | mhall | Anthro: I think we need to make humans work smarter, harder and better, rather than less. |
| 12:45.51 | Anthro | tarzeau: Nope. |
| 12:45.52 | xoz | Anthro: are you saying that C++ is not as maintainable as Java? well, it was created to address those problems in C. they failed somehow? |
| 12:45.56 | mhall | Tenkawa: Funny but also sad, my friend. |
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| 12:46.01 | Tenkawa | mhall: agreed |
| 12:46.02 | tarzeau | xoz: yes c++ failed |
| 12:46.05 | peterS | Phated: this week hasn't been a total wash. a few hours ago I did something I'd never done before. bike ride of 135 km without stopping (except at a couple of stoplights, and once for 60 seconds or so to adjust something on the bike) |
| 12:46.05 | tralala | mhall: you are forgetting however that not all the apps need max performance. There are a lot that merely need min devel time. |
| 12:46.17 | xoz | tarzeau: i beg to disagree. |
| 12:46.20 | peterS | 5 hours exactly. |
| 12:46.24 | sciron | why don't the options in /etc/defaults/bind9 get passed to bind? |
| 12:46.25 | FieldySnuts | http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/dejavu.htm |
| 12:46.28 | FieldySnuts | weird one. have fun |
| 12:46.30 | tarzeau | xoz: i beg you check out objective-c |
| 12:46.37 | Tenkawa | tralala: yes but a short deadline does not mean get sloppy |
| 12:46.38 | mhall | tralala: Well the ones I see that achieve that goal usually turn out not to be implemented so well. |
| 12:46.48 | mhall | tralala: So I'm not altogether very sympathetic. |
| 12:46.56 | Tenkawa | if you are going to write it. do it right |
| 12:46.58 | Phated | peterS: Well -done-, you. Here, have a cookie and regain your calories. :) |
| 12:47.01 | Anthro | xoz: C++ can be used really well. The fact of the matter, though, is that while a highly talented C++ programmer is at least as productive as a highly talented C# programmer, a mediocre C++ programmer is much more dangerous and much less useful than a mediocre C# programmer. |
| 12:47.03 | Wyzard | Tenkawa: I just explained "why waste it" -- because it lets you write your code at a higher level of abstraction, where you don't have to get bogged down with low-level details and worry about making low-level mistakes |
| 12:47.17 | Anthro | xoz: And there are a lot more mediocre programmers than highly talented ones. |
| 12:47.25 | mhall | I do not want to make programming easier for mediocre programmers. |
| 12:47.28 | xoz | tarzeau: no point of comparison. we are talking of C++ and my experience tells me that i don't have any problem reading my program after so many years. |
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| 12:47.34 | stew | sciron: how are you starting bind? |
| 12:47.40 | mhall | I believe that coddling the incompetent is bad for the future of our profession. |
| 12:47.41 | stew | sciron: via the init script? |
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| 12:47.44 | peterS | Phated: thanks, I binged a bit on calories when I got back a couple hours ago. 135 km / 5h == 27 km/h, which made me happy enough for that long of a ride |
| 12:47.47 | sciron | stew> yep |
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| 12:47.47 | Tenkawa | Wyzard: I disageww with the philosophy.I feel if you are going to do something such as programming you _need_ to know the details |
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| 12:47.50 | xoz | Anthro: the problem is not C++. it's the programmer |
| 12:48.02 | tralala | Tenkawa: of course not, but that wasn't my point. |
| 12:48.03 | Phated | peterS: Aye. |
| 12:48.03 | sciron | stew> apparently if you add a -d1 switch to defaults, it NEVER gets parsed by bind |
| 12:48.04 | Tenkawa | err disagree |
| 12:48.06 | mhall | All of the morons that came into to computer science to capitalize on the .bomb era need to be show the door. |
| 12:48.07 | Wyzard | Tenkawa: Then why don't you write everything in assembly? |
| 12:48.19 | stew | sciron: and id assume you mean /etc/default/bind9, not /etc/defaults/bind9? |
| 12:48.20 | Tenkawa | Wyzard: thats what I learned programming in |
| 12:48.22 | Anthro | mhall: It isn't about mindless monkeys. Not the sigma below the average, but everyone below one sigma above the average. |
| 12:48.23 | Wyzard | Tenkawa: *Every* language other than raw machine code makes that tradeoff... just to different extents |
| 12:48.28 | Tenkawa | many decades ago |
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| 12:48.38 | Wyzard | Tenkawa: OK, but do you actually use it when you write programs these days? |
| 12:48.41 | Tenkawa | nope |
| 12:48.43 | sciron | stew> yes, still working on my 1st cup of coffee :-) |
| 12:48.48 | Wyzard | Tenkawa: Why not? |
| 12:48.55 | mhall | Anthro: I always thought of programming as being a 1 sigma above profession. |
| 12:49.04 | Tenkawa | Because I like C better now |
| 12:49.05 | stew | sciron: look at the init script, it should be one of the first non-commented lines |
| 12:49.07 | mhall | Anthro: It's a branch of engineering. |
| 12:49.25 | Wyzard | Tenkawa: And why do you like C better? :-) |
| 12:49.26 | Tenkawa | I gave up on assembly quickly |
| 12:49.32 | tralala | mhall: the implementation elegance and the efficiency (in terms of CPU cycles) don't always matter |
| 12:49.36 | mhall | Anthro: I'm not sure I like the idea of life being easy for people who don't care about or understand implementation details. |
| 12:49.41 | SimonRaven | w00t |
| 12:49.42 | lord_rob | when booting I see : "Cleaning /tmp. find : warning : you have specified the -depth option after a non option argument (...)". This message is displayed three times. How can I fix this problem ? |
| 12:49.51 | Tenkawa | Wyzard: heheh.. I dunno.. I picked it up and liked how it was low level yet readable |
| 12:50.02 | Wyzard | mhall: It's not an issue of not caring or not understanding |
| 12:50.07 | liable | lord_rob: sid, its an init bug/ |
| 12:50.08 | sciron | stew> the only commented line at the top is an English sentence |
| 12:50.11 | Anthro | xoz: It's a matter of tradeoffs. Which safety nets are made available? C++ gives you incredible static checking, but you can shoot yourself in the foot with memory management far too easily. C# and Java give a safety net (garbage collection) that is useful to more programmers. |
| 12:50.16 | Tenkawa | when you get into java, and similar languages its too wrappered |
| 12:50.21 | sciron | stew> my fault, derned vim |
| 12:50.34 | stew | sciron: you should have one that says "test -f /etc/default/bind9 && . /etc/default/bind9" |
| 12:50.39 | lord_rob | liable: so I just have to wait 'till the problem is fixed ? |
| 12:50.40 | Tenkawa | I have just recently started to look at C# |
| 12:50.41 | mhall | Anthro: I'd like to see GC be a language feature, but configurable. |
| 12:50.42 | liable | lord_rob: look in bts |
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| 12:50.46 | mhall | Anthro: like in the D Language |
| 12:50.47 | lord_rob | ok |
| 12:50.50 | sciron | stew> no |
| 12:50.52 | liable | lord_rob: there is a work around. |
| 12:50.56 | Tenkawa | going to make some opinions about it soon |
| 12:50.57 | mhall | Anthro: It defaults to GC but allows for hand management. |
| 12:50.59 | stew | sciron: what version of debian? |
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| 12:51.08 | mhall | Anthro: Why force it when you could let people choose? |
| 12:51.08 | sciron | stew> sarge testing, bind9-9.3.1-2 |
| 12:51.12 | Wyzard | Tenkawa: But C is so inefficient? You don't know the numeric opcodes of the instructions you're writing, so you can't use them as constants; you have define separate, redundant constants elsewhere in the program. |
| 12:51.14 | Anthro | mhall: You're thinking of an ideal world, where you get to choose what you work on. When I, as a highly talented programmer, get called in to work on a project, I will be working with mediocre programmers. I have no choice. I'd rather they had less opportunity to fuck things up. |
| 12:51.15 | lord_rob | ok thanks liable. querybts'ing init right now |
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| 12:51.18 | liable | lord_rob: if you arent willing to wait or fix, dont use it. |
| 12:51.19 | peterS | lord_rob: move the -maxdepth 0 before the -perm -002 in /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh |
| 12:51.32 | stew | sciron: oh, hmm, i was looking at stable, i'll check testing here... |
| 12:51.38 | sciron | stew> found what appear to be 3 issues with bind9, although the br is ~117 long |
| 12:51.39 | dimir | oops |
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| 12:51.51 | Tenkawa | Wyzard: granted.. however you know what they are .. they dont just mysteriously appear |
| 12:51.51 | mhall | Anthro: That's why C++ has _cast operators. So you can grep the code for abuse real quick. :-) |
| 12:51.56 | peterS | lord_rob: or maybe it's the -depth in the next find command, the one with -xdev $TEXPR. put the -depth right after the " . " |
| 12:52.03 | mhall | Anthro: The same could be done with hand management. |
| 12:52.03 | peterS | lord_rob: there are two of those in a row, do both |
| 12:52.07 | Anthro | mhall: You need runtime support for garbage collection, period. Otherwise you can't guarantee correctness, and that's really bad. |
| 12:52.22 | peterS | lord_rob: you can change all 3 instances without problems |
| 12:52.25 | Anthro | mhall: How do I grep for a C cast? And what's hand management? |
| 12:52.30 | Wyzard | Tenkawa: And the compiler won't automatically generate "special" instructions like SSE stuff, etc. |
| 12:52.34 | Tenkawa | true |
| 12:52.42 | mhall | Anthro: Right, so make GC required for implementation of the language. But make it so that you can do the manual mode as well. |
| 12:52.50 | Wyzard | Tenkawa: You exchange those things for being able to write more readable, structured code |
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| 12:52.59 | mhall | Anthro: There is now a compiler flag to warn on C casts. |
| 12:53.00 | stew | sciron: i just installed bind9 in etch: 9.3.1-2 and i *do have that line in the init script |
| 12:53.09 | Anthro | mhall: Actually, C# does that. You can write "unmanaged" code that does its own memory management and such. |
| 12:53.16 | sciron | stew> sarge testing, i didn't know etch was in testing already? O-O |
| 12:53.19 | mhall | Anthro: Hand management is the equivalent of new/delete malloc/free. |
| 12:53.24 | Tenkawa | Wyzard: yeah.. |
| 12:53.30 | peterS | Anthro: you sure? I thought C# could only do managed code. C++.NET lets you do both |
| 12:53.38 | mhall | Anthro: Right but the D language allows this to be done per identifier. |
| 12:53.38 | stew | sciron: sarge is stable, etch is testing, that line appears in both versions |
| 12:53.41 | Anthro | mhall: Ah, I see. You mean managing by hand. |
| 12:53.52 | Anthro | peterS: Yes, C# allows unmanaged code. |
| 12:53.53 | sciron | stew> so the testing branch i'm using after a sarge install is really from etch, eh? |
| 12:54.04 | SimonRaven | sciron: yes |
| 12:54.06 | peterS | Anthro: for native code, or only for calling external APIs? |
| 12:54.07 | Anthro | mhall: Per identifier? Meaning, per variable? |
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| 12:54.09 | sciron | k |
| 12:54.20 | sciron | stew> the only two comments I have at the top are English sentences |
| 12:54.23 | Wyzard | Tenkawa: Languages like Java just exchange a bit more low-level code for a bit more abstraction... for example, you can declare a method "synchronized", and entering and exiting it will automatically obtain a mutex on the object on which it's called, so you don't have to add locking and unlocking code to the method and worry about whether you overlooked a possible exit point, etc. |
| 12:54.30 | mhall | Anthro: The toughest thing about GC for me is that in threaded apps, all threads must be stopped to do the GC cycle. |
| 12:54.32 | sciron | stew> no dist-upgrade in ~2 days available |
| 12:54.34 | Anthro | peterS: I think you still compile to MSIL, but you can play games with pointers and direct memory access. |
| 12:54.45 | mhall | Anthro: The other features of it don't bother me really. |
| 12:54.50 | Anthro | mhall: That's only one implementation of GC. |
| 12:54.59 | stew | sciron: i said "non-comment" |
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| 12:55.09 | mhall | Anthro: I'm not so experienced on the topic. I need to try it out more. |
| 12:55.14 | sciron | stew> just poured that cup, gotcha |
| 12:55.15 | xoz | Anthro: i hate memory management... specially it is unpredictable. |
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| 12:55.26 | Anthro | mhall: Look into C#. It's better than you think. |
| 12:55.38 | peterS | mhall: it should be possible to allocate thread-local variables which the runtime then won't allow to be embedded in non-thread-local vars - some sort of tag - then those can be GC'd without stopping other threads |
| 12:55.43 | mhall | Wyzard: You have to watch out though. Synchronized is a dangerous keyword fraught with race conditions. |
| 12:55.44 | sciron | stew> yes, I do have that |
| 12:55.46 | SimonRaven | that's the thing that holds me back getting into C is having to do the mem mgt. yikes |
| 12:55.50 | Montip | hello |
| 12:55.54 | mhall | Wyzard: It's not the panacea it sounds like. |
| 12:55.55 | sciron | stew> but how would that affect debug not working? |
| 12:55.57 | SimonRaven | xoz: ^^^^ |
| 12:56.00 | peterS | mhall: but I don't know if this is worthwhile, or if anyone has specified it in a real language |
| 12:56.10 | stew | sciron: what do you mean by "debug not working?" |
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| 12:56.12 | mhall | Wyzard: What's needed it a language with true atomicity support. |
| 12:56.14 | Anthro | xoz: That does make things annoying, I agree. There are APIs to control it, though, which helps to some extent. And if you have a time-critical app, you don't even want to use malloc. |
| 12:56.19 | lord_rob | does make-kpkg still select gcc-3.3 to build my kernel ? I've just updated sid so gcc is 4.0 now but my kernel seems to be compiled with 3.3 |
| 12:56.19 | Montip | is there an up-to-date debian repository? |
| 12:56.25 | peterS | SimonRaven: yeah, C memory management is a PITA until you're used to it, and sometimes even then |
| 12:56.29 | sciron | stew> pass a -d1 switch in /etc/default/bind9, named never outputs debugging information.... |
| 12:56.32 | mhall | Wyzard: Or a language with integrated transaction / rollback capability. |
| 12:56.52 | Anthro | mhall: Frighteningly, .NET has that. Integrated with SQL server. |
| 12:56.56 | sciron | stew> using named.conf's default logging config (i.e. nothing defined IN named.conf) |
| 12:56.58 | SimonRaven | sciron: oooh nice one |
| 12:56.59 | liable | Montip: use debian.org us |
| 12:57.07 | mhall | Anthro: Yeah but SQL server is overhead. |
| 12:57.10 | Tenkawa | scp'ing to a flash drive is SLOOOOWW |
| 12:57.11 | sciron | oh, I spent 20 freakin' hours with bind9 just because of this danged script :| |
| 12:57.14 | peterS | Montip: eh? any debian mirror. some are/were temporarily out of date because of the ftp-master move, but they should all be syncing back up in the next few hours, if they aren't already |
| 12:57.18 | Wyzard | mhall: Multi-threaded code is always subject to race conditions. But at least you know that when you exit from the method, no matter by what means, the lock will be released... there's no such thing as accidentally leaving a way to exit the method with the object still locked |
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| 12:57.22 | SimonRaven | named [-4|-6] [-c conffile] [-d debuglevel] |
| 12:57.22 | mhall | Anthro: univ of wash designed a language that can do it with an old-school stack |
| 12:57.23 | xoz | Anthro: which defeats its purpose in the first place... you used something and use another thing to manage it? |
| 12:57.26 | SimonRaven | nice :) |
| 12:57.31 | Anthro | mhall: Yeah, that's why it's frightening. I like the idea, not the implementation. |
| 12:57.35 | mhall | Anthro: very fast |
| 12:57.50 | Wyzard | mhall: Stuff like transaction/rollback support would be in a language even higher-level than Java :-) |
| 12:57.50 | sciron | and here I though my zone files were wrong |
| 12:57.52 | stew | sciron: how do you pass the -d1 switch. can you make sure that there are no copies of named running before running /etc/init.d/bind9 start? can you verify that switch is missing when you "ps auxw | grep named" ? |
| 12:57.54 | liable | peterS: no ,au still isnt, just changing at this minute. |
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| 12:58.00 | mhall | Wyzard: it wouldn't have to be |
| 12:58.11 | Anthro | xoz: Nononono. The transaction support just lets you spread a SQL transaction across multiple method calls and even across distributed systems. |
| 12:58.13 | sciron | stew> yes, checking now (99% sure, but re-verifying) |
| 12:58.24 | Wyzard | Anyway, gotta go to work |
| 12:58.27 | peterS | liable: apparently some of the mirrors had hard-coded IP address limitations for who was allowed to push updates to them, and when ftp-master changed IPs, these refused to update. presumably this will be fixed RSN. |
| 12:58.27 | mhall | Wyzard: you could implement it with one keyword, a corresponding lexical scope, a stack, and CAS proc instructions |
| 12:58.49 | sciron | stew> simply appending it IN the quotes in /etc/default/bind9 |
| 12:59.00 | xoz | Anthro: are we still talking about mem mgt? |
| 12:59.03 | mhall | Wyzard: and you could make mutexes unnecessary |
| 12:59.11 | liable | peterS: ahhh. :) |
| 12:59.11 | Anthro | xoz: No, transaction support. |
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| 12:59.12 | mhall | Wyzard: which would be a very great thing |
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| 12:59.24 | xoz | Anthro: i meant mem mgt above |
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| 12:59.31 | mhall | Wyzard: because like we agre, mutexes are often ugly |
| 12:59.45 | Anthro | xoz: Ah. Well, it's a matter of optimization. What are you optimizing for? |
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| 12:59.46 | TBBle | Gah. What's that file you look at on a mirror to see when the last update was? |
| 12:59.49 | stew | sciron: OPTIONS="" <- those quotes? |
| 12:59.49 | peterS | mhall: mutexes are always needed unless you have some other low-level primitive that can be updated atomically |
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| 13:00.03 | Anthro | mhall: monitors are a FAR nicer primitive. And semaphores have their uses as well. |
| 13:00.12 | xoz | Anthro: nope. it's just control. you want to avoid hidden behvaiour. |
| 13:00.16 | mhall | peterS: well that's the idea of the CAS assembly instruction |
| 13:00.27 | peterS | mhall: not familiar with the acronym |
| 13:00.27 | sciron | stew> yes, and new discoveries... |
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| 13:00.46 | Anthro | xoz: No, you either want to optimize for ease of development, or for consistent performance behavior. It's a tradeoff. |
| 13:00.46 | mhall | peterS: and a language keyword that implements (compare and swap) an 'atomic' keyword using CAS and a stack |
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| 13:00.57 | mhall | peterS: there was a CS proof about how atomicity works |
| 13:01.03 | sciron | stew> 1) i had been using ...../bind9 restart ... that would ALWAYS make my nslookup <hostname> return an NXDOMAIN for proper zone files.... |
| 13:01.06 | mhall | peterS: in order to get it you have to have CAS |
| 13:01.09 | peterS | mhall: ah, like 80486 cmpxchg |
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| 13:01.39 | xoz | Anthro: to program something is for the program to follow every bit of your instruction with no hidden operations..which is happening randomly with mem mgt |
| 13:01.41 | sciron | stew> 2) I just killed named, verified, modified the default/bind9 file, and used bind9 start. the switch is there and it logs, HOWEVER, I get NXDOMAIN responses from nslookup for a properly defined zone file |
| 13:01.52 | mhall | peterS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compare-and-swap |
| 13:02.00 | sciron | stew> 3) when I start named as 'named -ubind -d1' my zone files work. |
| 13:02.04 | Anthro | peterS,mhall: all synchronization primitives are equally powerful, and you can implement one in terms of another. It's just a matter of which interface is most useful for a given task. |
| 13:02.10 | mhall | peterS: once you have CAS, you can atomize things and create lock-free designs |
| 13:02.17 | mu | So, since yesterday i try to install my ati drivers but nothing helps. http://home.arcor.de/celu/Mine/Log.log and http://home.arcor.de/celu/Mine/Log1.log are the logs of XFree86 when i try to start X |
| 13:02.23 | mu | could anyone help |
| 13:02.44 | sciron | stew> or did I miss something with rndc? |
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| 13:02.51 | Anthro | xoz: Even malloc's performance is non-deterministic. It depends on things like paging. It's a *tradeoff*. |
| 13:03.03 | mhall | the other issue I need to study is SMP memory barrier stuff |
| 13:03.12 | mhall | that is seriously weird weird weird shit |
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| 13:03.21 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: You never answered - what are you doing? |
| 13:03.23 | peterS | mhall: yeah, particularly when the SMP system is loosely coupled |
| 13:03.24 | liable | peterS: where did you gleam that info from btw (about the mirrors) |
| 13:03.28 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: i did answer |
| 13:03.39 | Anthro | mhall: Learn MPI. It has very simple, obvious primitives. |
| 13:03.42 | peterS | liable: ryan murray mentioned it on another irc channel. he's one of the debian sysadmins |
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| 13:03.59 | sciron | stew> needless to say I have several custom zone files, the one I used for testing purposes is one that defines a forward lookup for a private domain with the DNS server being the SOA, and no access to root servers, doubt THAT matters much though |
| 13:04.02 | xoz | Anthro: since all languages encounters it so useless point :) |
| 13:04.04 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: You didn't mention my name in the answer, and I've been flitting between rooms (physical rooms, not channels). |
| 13:04.13 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: So I can't find it. |
| 13:04.14 | liable | peterS: ok. |
| 13:04.15 | mhall | Anthro: My situation is that I work on a data processing team for a phone company. We collect billing information from the cellular phone network and convert it / clean it up then send it to other groups in the company. |
| 13:04.24 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: My situation is that I work on a data processing team for a phone company. We collect billing information from the cellular phone network and convert it / clean it up then send it to other groups in the company. |
| 13:04.42 | Anthro | xoz: In realtime systems, you do not. And the point is that you are trading off between performance determinism and ease of development. Don't fool yourself into believing in absolutes. |
| 13:04.49 | kneet | mhall, I wondered what was so large. Was doing the same for a voip company - the data sizes are ridiculous |
| 13:04.57 | mhall | kneet: right |
| 13:05.04 | Anthro | mhall: And you're doing this with a single shared memory machine? |
| 13:05.08 | mhall | kneet: I use C, C++, and GAWK for everything |
| 13:05.16 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: You could throw more hardware at it. |
| 13:05.24 | xoz | Anthro: oh well. there is no point to continue this conversation. i will stick with C++. |
| 13:05.25 | mhall | Anthro: The architecture does not yet support horizontal scalability. |
| 13:05.28 | stew | sciron: this is starting to sound more like a question for #dns |
| 13:05.37 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: Sun E25K already is maxed out. |
| 13:05.38 | stew | sciron: sorry i dunno |
| 13:05.39 | Anthro | mhall: So... it's a serial process? |
| 13:05.42 | mu | Can't anyone help? |
| 13:05.52 | nkuttler | mu: grep the log for those EE lines |
| 13:05.57 | sciron | stew> I already fixed my DNS issues with their aid, that and proper named parsing is how I know my zone files are correct ;) |
| 13:05.58 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: Some of the vendor application uses ORBA and cannot talk to itself any faster either. |
| 13:05.58 | Anthro | xoz: That's dandy. It says that you have chosen the tradeoffs that suit your needs/preferences. |
| 13:05.58 | SimonRaven | bust ATM. later i can |
| 13:06.08 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: Ran out of threads to distribute across processors. |
| 13:06.21 | mu | nkuttler, how to do that? |
| 13:06.22 | sciron | stew> i quit using the script and my zones are processed properly, there's something in the start function that's borking it |
| 13:06.22 | peterS | liable: <neuro> ftp-master has pulsed what mirrors it can <bob2> due to bandwidth limits? <neuro> no <neuro> due to mirrors having ip restrictions that need to be updated <neuro> so, it looks like 4 top levels got updated |
| 13:06.29 | mhall | Anthro: Yes. For now. Until we get upgraded software. |
| 13:06.29 | nkuttler | mu: grep EE filename |
| 13:06.32 | peterS | liable: bob2 you know. neuro is ryan murray. this was 8 1/2 hours ago. |
| 13:06.49 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: Sounds like nothing that wouldn't be fixed by a rewrite. |
| 13:06.59 | Anthro | mhall: Sad. Oh, well. What's your current throughput, and what's your desired throughput? |
| 13:07.01 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: Can't. Production critical. |
| 13:07.04 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: Maybe that's not practical.. |
| 13:07.15 | mu | nkuttler, i change to linux, i come back again |
| 13:07.15 | mhall | Anthro: Well we're maybe 10-20% above our input load. |
| 13:07.22 | sciron | stew> it would appear, at least. i'm still pursuing a br |
| 13:07.24 | liable | peterS: what channel is this from? |
| 13:07.28 | mhall | Anthro: Which is bad if there is growth or an outage. |
| 13:07.29 | ricky_clarkson | You don't have to deploy it as production until it's fully tested; that wouldn't stop a rewrite. |
| 13:07.37 | stew | sciron: compare the command line that works to the command line the script uses |
| 13:07.38 | peterS | liable: it's actually on a different irc network |
| 13:07.39 | mhall | Anthro: And more hardware does not make the code faster. |
| 13:07.43 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: But the cost does. |
| 13:07.47 | xoz | Anthro: C++ allows you to use some libs to do mem mgt. that's a better option than to force programmers to use mem mgt like in java. |
| 13:07.51 | sciron | stew> I don't use the --pidfile option ;) |
| 13:07.51 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: Right, that's fair enough. |
| 13:07.55 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: It might cost $100 million or something. |
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| 13:08.02 | sciron | stew> that's the only difference i can see |
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| 13:08.16 | Anthro | mhall: Ah. So you have just enough extra capacity to keep you going until you can develop a replacement. And is a replacement being developed? |
| 13:08.19 | stew | sciron: run it by hand with the --pidfile option |
| 13:08.24 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: So your problem with languages that have intermediate bytecode is that your code isn't written in one of them. ;) |
| 13:08.29 | cantona | #debian become #C#? |
| 13:08.32 | Anthro | xoz: ...for you |
| 13:08.38 | mhall | Anthro: Yes. A horizontal scalibility project. |
| 13:08.38 | sciron | cantona> uh huh |
| 13:08.41 | Anthro | cantona: Actually, you mean ##csharp |
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| 13:08.53 | liable | peterS: what is it? (if you dont mind) |
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| 13:08.58 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: No this vendor code is mostly Java and Tcl. |
| 13:09.08 | xoz | Anthro: i pretty much agree with strostroup regarding the design decisions of C++. |
| 13:09.11 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: and it uses ORBA and unnormalized database tables |
| 13:09.16 | Anthro | mhall: What does horizontal scalability mean in this context? |
| 13:09.28 | sciron | stew> incidently, /etc/init.d/bind9 stop doesn't seem to stop named, it's still functioning |
| 13:09.31 | ricky_clarkson | Anthro: It means you can throw hardware at it. |
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| 13:09.41 | mhall | Anthro: Well the system is being rearchitected to allow for using distributed servers. |
| 13:09.46 | sciron | stew> that may have been a big part of my issue before using restart |
| 13:09.48 | abrotman | Anthro: it's vertical vs horizontal .. throw hardware at it .. it gets faster |
| 13:09.49 | mhall | Anthro: as opposed to a central E25k |
| 13:09.53 | abrotman | err throw machines |
| 13:09.59 | Anthro | xoz: Great. Go to. Do you think I gave up C++ for the new religion of C#? I still use C++ for fun and profit. |
| 13:10.08 | cantona | Anthro: why there is two ## ? |
| 13:10.12 | xoz | Anthro: heh |
| 13:10.17 | Anthro | ricky_clarkson,abrotman,mhall: Ah, got it. |
| 13:10.31 | ricky_clarkson | cantona: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming |
| 13:10.35 | Anthro | cantona: It's a freenode thing, as I understand it. |
| 13:10.35 | sciron | stew> rndc stop doesn't unload named |
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| 13:10.49 | mhall | They're switching from monolithic mainframe-style design to more of a Lin/Win style cluster architecture |
| 13:10.57 | mhall | But I doubt it will perform much better. |
| 13:11.10 | abrotman | Anthro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalability |
| 13:11.13 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: Maybe not, but it at least has the potential to. ;) |
| 13:11.17 | mhall | The code and design is still wasteful, inefficient, and implemented in the wrong languages. |
| 13:11.24 | sciron | stew> which is what the script uses to stop bind9. still checking --pidfile |
| 13:11.31 | Anthro | mhall: What is the task? You're aggregating and reporting on billing records, or what? |
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| 13:11.31 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: Yes. I hope against hope it will be better but doubt it. |
| 13:11.51 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: It did not get any better when we switched from 6800 to 6900 to E25k |
| 13:12.05 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: How do other similar groups do it? |
| 13:12.13 | Anthro | abrotman: Ah, thanks. Yeah, I wasn't familiar with the terminology. |
| 13:12.21 | sciron | stew> named reports --pidfile isn't a valid option |
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| 13:12.26 | mhall | Anthro: Well that, and stripping duplicates, and correlating records from multiple sources, and converting to massive XML files, etc. |
| 13:12.43 | mhall | Anthro: Plus we're doing it for over 40 million customers. |
| 13:12.43 | Anthro | mhall: Sounds pretty parallelizable to me. |
| 13:12.51 | sciron | stew> according to the manpage, there is no switch for the pidfile, it's in named.conf ;) |
| 13:12.55 | mhall | Anthro: not so much as you might think |
| 13:13.12 | ricky_clarkson | Well if you're actually generating massive XML files, then parrellisation is probably difficult. |
| 13:13.16 | mhall | Anthro: Because eventually it all has to get multiplexed into one database where all records are visible at the same time |
| 13:13.19 | sciron | stew> checking arm9 |
| 13:13.23 | ricky_clarkson | That's just like swapping Excel sheets for XML. |
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| 13:13.26 | mu^ | nkuttler: so, should i make "grep EE XFree86.0.log" ? |
| 13:13.26 | mhall | Anthro: in order to correlate them against each other |
| 13:13.33 | Anthro | mhall: correllating can be hard, but aggregation is easy. |
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| 13:13.59 | mhall | Anthro: also, it's not really possible to have more than one thread doing an xml file write |
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| 13:14.18 | abrotman | it is .. but it's messy :) |
| 13:14.18 | mhall | Anthro: yeah correlating just one kind of records takes 3 pages of 10-point SQL |
| 13:14.27 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: The massive XML file thing sounds like a reverse example of slurping; which is a bad idea. |
| 13:14.33 | mhall | Anthro: and the tables are not normalized. so it's very slow |
| 13:14.34 | sciron | stew> obviously, we already knew ISC's bind documentation is terrible. still trying to find switch refences |
| 13:14.35 | ricky_clarkson | !slurp |
| 13:14.35 | dpkg | slurp is, like, i slurp wang on command |
| 13:14.42 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: mandated by external consumers |
| 13:14.48 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: has to be done that way |
| 13:14.50 | Anthro | mhall: Not so. You can write XML fragments and assemble the final file as an aggregation. |
| 13:14.54 | xoz | not normalized? that's odd |
| 13:15.00 | stew | sciron: oh, --pidfile is a start-stop-daemon option, not a bind option |
| 13:15.02 | stew | i think |
| 13:15.05 | mhall | xoz: vendor design decision |
| 13:15.12 | sciron | stew> AH! |
| 13:15.15 | ricky_clarkson | !no, slurp is to read a large data file entirely into memory before working on it. |
| 13:15.21 | sciron | stew> that makes sense.... i didn't catch that in the script |
| 13:15.33 | mu^ | nkuttler: there is: (EE) fail to load module "fglrx" (module requirement missmatch, 0) (EE) no drivers available |
| 13:15.35 | xoz | mhall: enroll that vendor to systems analysis and design. |
| 13:15.41 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: luckily there is the mmap() and madvise() calls |
| 13:15.46 | stew | sciron: you should be comparing the command line used by the script by looking at it with ps |
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| 13:15.50 | mhall | xoz: can't, i'm a temp |
| 13:15.53 | ricky_clarkson | mhall: Sometimes you can change a vendor's mind without losing the vendor. |
| 13:16.02 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: not likely |
| 13:16.07 | sciron | stew> so what's different then besides using start-stop-daemon vs. manually? rechecking |
| 13:16.09 | xoz | mhall: they might even thank you! |
| 13:16.14 | mhall | ricky_clarkson: somebody tried it and we almost lost out on the deal |
| 13:16.20 | kneet | mhall, you doing just the billing or the generation of call data? |
| 13:16.29 | mhall | xoz: not likely anybody would show me much gratitude |
| 13:16.29 | ricky_clarkson | Heh, sounds like a dying vendor anyway then. |
| 13:16.44 | mhall | kneet: we collect it and ship it off to mainframes programmed in COBOL |
| 13:16.45 | stew | sciron: you shouldn't care, you should just care about the options and environment that the named process is started with |
| 13:17.00 | abrotman | mhall: if i'm not mistaken .. the problem you described with multiple threads and an XML file is normally referred to as dining philosophers |
| 13:17.02 | xoz | mhall: you can perhaps demonstrate to that vendor the advantages of a normalized table |
| 13:17.04 | mhall | kneet: but we have to clean it up a lot with huge database kludgery first |
| 13:17.13 | mhall | abrotman: yeah it sux |
| 13:17.22 | kneet | mhall, I had to process the call data to CDR for one lot - with a system that would flag call start more than once :) |
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| 13:17.25 | mhall | xoz: they don't care, they are not good coders |
| 13:17.29 | Anthro | mhall: Sounds like you need some pipelining as part of your parallelization strategy. |
| 13:17.32 | xoz | mhall: it's like having a dictionary not in alphabetical order :) |
| 13:17.35 | abrotman | mhall: you said it wasn't possible .. but it is .. it's just complex |
| 13:17.39 | mhall | Anthro: we do pipeline it |
| 13:17.48 | mu^ | :'/ :/ :[ :( :< |
| 13:17.48 | mhall | abrotman: i believe i said not very possible |
| 13:17.53 | Anthro | mhall: On more than one machine? |
| 13:17.58 | abrotman | mhall: it is very possible .. just difficult |
| 13:18.00 | mhall | Anthro: no but we will soon |
| 13:18.06 | sciron | stew> because 'rndc stop' does not unload named, none of the new /etc/default/bind9 options get loaded |
| 13:18.19 | mu^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.19 | mhall | abrotman: well i'm taking into account the developers in question |
| 13:18.23 | abrotman | and you said "not really possible" .. |
| 13:18.23 | mhall | abrotman: not very possible for them |
| 13:18.32 | abrotman | dumb developers :) |
| 13:18.38 | mhall | abrotman: should have said not very |
| 13:18.42 | mhall | abrotman: tired; sorry |
| 13:18.46 | Anthro | Okay, later... |
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| 13:18.48 | ricky_clarkson | mu^: Stop spamming here and go and ask somewhere more relevant - #xfree86 or something. |
| 13:18.50 | mhall | time to go sleep |
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| 13:19.02 | ricky_clarkson | mu^: Or log a bug on bugs.debian.org |
| 13:19.03 | xoz | they just want to slow down the processing, otherwise, more jobs will come |
| 13:19.50 | mu^ | ricky_clarkson: sry i'm only angry 'cause i always get such problems with debian |
| 13:20.14 | ricky_clarkson | mu^: You will get less problems with Windows, or Mac OS X, or a calculator. |
| 13:20.22 | sciron | stew> neither rndc halt nor rndc stop unload named |
| 13:20.45 | stew | wierd |
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| 13:20.58 | sciron | stew> may wind up being a bind issue :D |
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| 13:21.16 | sciron | stew> don't know how it was built though, I might try the source next if I have time |
| 13:21.27 | mu^ | ricky_clarkson: i don't give up so fast -.- |
| 13:21.39 | ricky_clarkson | mu^: Try keeping calm then. |
| 13:21.53 | sciron | stew> if named is stopped successfully, then the script reloads the options, but I STILL received NXDOMAIN from nslookups, only when I started named manually were my zones parsed properly |
| 13:21.56 | sml | I once read something about Mac OS and why it was a very secure system to run for a web server etc... but i cant remember why now. |
| 13:21.59 | sml | anyone remember ? |
| 13:22.07 | ricky_clarkson | mu^: IRC isn't the only available resource. Try a mailing list, Usenet, google, RTFM, asking a friend, etc. |
| 13:22.16 | stew | sciron: there must be a difference in how it is being started then |
| 13:22.33 | stew | sciron: check ps auxw and ps auxwe |
| 13:22.42 | sml | ricky_clarkson: or ask the audience ;) |
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| 13:23.14 | mu^ | ricky_clarkson: i will try |
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| 13:23.53 | ricky_clarkson | sml: *cough*. |
| 13:24.13 | sml | 50/50. phone a friend. |
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| 13:24.19 | sciron | stew> i do get differences with ps auxwe ... should there be ~60 bytes difference? |
| 13:24.35 | sciron | stew> i'm not THAT fluent with ps, looking up the e switch atm |
| 13:25.07 | ricky_clarkson | sml: *cough* *cough* *splut*A*ter* |
| 13:25.08 | sciron | rechecking agains ps auxw |
| 13:25.22 | stew | sciron: e shows you environment variables |
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| 13:25.38 | sciron | stew> so theoretically ps auxwe should be identical for both start scenarios? |
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| 13:25.57 | rking | anyone happen to have a ~/.mlterm/color file that's legible on a white background? i'm painstakingly tweaking each color (i've always used a black background, but now that my cow-orkers are pretty much all white bg's, i'm switching) |
| 13:25.57 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Do you know what I'm on about? http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=788&id=461942003 |
| 13:26.06 | stew | sciron: i'm saying that if they are behaving differently , you should find a difference there |
| 13:26.26 | sciron | stew> is comparing outputs of auxwe a valid test? |
| 13:26.44 | sciron | stew> i'm trying to make sure my actions are rational ;) |
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| 13:27.09 | Nitty | please |
| 13:27.12 | Nitty | where i can find MOUSE |
| 13:27.14 | sml | ricky_clarkson: I heard about that Major cheating yes ;) |
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| 13:27.19 | Nitty | in /dev/input/mouse isnt |
| 13:27.20 | ma3x | is there a .pps viewer for debian? |
| 13:27.20 | Nitty | :\ |
| 13:27.28 | ricky_clarkson | What's pps? |
| 13:27.32 | ricky_clarkson | !pps |
| 13:27.33 | Nitty | powerpoint |
| 13:27.34 | sciron | mayes |
| 13:27.37 | ricky_clarkson | That's ppt |
| 13:27.40 | sciron | ma3x> yes |
| 13:27.41 | liable | Nitty: how about some more info? |
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| 13:27.45 | Nitty | openoffice |
| 13:27.52 | ricky_clarkson | openoffice can view and edit powerpoint stuff. |
| 13:27.53 | Nitty | i need start X window system |
| 13:27.57 | Nitty | but it said |
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| 13:27.59 | ma3x | sciron ? |
| 13:28.01 | sciron | stew> only differences in output with script vs. manual with auxw is /usr/sbin/named vs. named. |
| 13:28.10 | Nitty | it dont know where is mouse |
| 13:28.18 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice |
| 13:28.21 | sciron | stew> trying to check auxwe differences atm |
| 13:28.24 | abrotman | !drxx Nitty |
| 13:28.27 | dpkg | Nitty: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:28.32 | ricky_clarkson | Nitty: It's on your desk. |
| 13:28.42 | sml | ricky_clarkson: lol. I find the power surge hilarious though ;) |
| 13:28.43 | sciron | good god |
| 13:28.45 | liable | Nitty: STOP, start from the beginning, and explain so we actually know wtf you are on about. |
| 13:28.48 | sml | ricky_clarkson: When was it shown on TV ? |
| 13:28.49 | Nitty | ? |
| 13:28.53 | Nitty | if i disable mouse support |
| 13:28.56 | Nitty | for x window system |
| 13:29.04 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Power surge? Dunno when it was shown. |
| 13:29.04 | Nitty | it say no screens found |
| 13:29.05 | Nitty | :\ |
| 13:29.06 | sciron | stew> I have the outputs of auwxe saved as files, but..... but.... the contents! |
| 13:29.10 | liable | ok, thanks again. |
| 13:29.19 | sciron | my eyes! |
| 13:29.22 | abrotman | Nitty: stop hitting enter after every damn word |
| 13:29.31 | Nitty | ok |
| 13:29.40 | abrotman | thank you |
| 13:29.44 | ricky_clarkson | you're |
| 13:29.45 | ricky_clarkson | welcome |
| 13:29.50 | Nitty | but if i disable mouse support for x window system, it said no screens found :( what i must do |
| 13:29.51 | abrotman | !smack ricky_clarkson |
| 13:29.55 | ricky_clarkson | Mmm, smack. |
| 13:29.56 | abrotman | !drxx Nitty |
| 13:29.57 | dpkg | Nitty: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 13:30.34 | liable | Nitty: what do you mean by disable mouse support? |
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| 13:30.36 | sml | ricky_clarkson: That article at that URL you gave me talks of a power surge when the alleged incident was re-shown with commentary on what was alledgedly going on (the coughing). Apparently it attracted a very large audience, and caused a spike. |
| 13:30.38 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Hah, I actually read the article now. ;) |
| 13:30.58 | ricky_clarkson | sml: The last paragraph is good, wrt Coronation Street. |
| 13:31.12 | sml | ricky_clarkson: I knew about the Major cheating.. but didn't know any of the more interesting stuff in that article like the corantion street quote lol. |
| 13:31.35 | ricky_clarkson | sml: What's your nationality? |
| 13:31.41 | sml | ricky_clarkson: English. |
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| 13:31.44 | antgel | i have a cvs tree of a project. i also have a patch file to apply. do i have to checkout the affected files manually or is there an automatic way to do this? |
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| 13:32.03 | jm_ | antgel: the former |
| 13:32.13 | abrotman | antgel: i beileve you'd have to check out the files .. apply patch .. and commit |
| 13:32.20 | kneet | sml, technically thats not a nationality |
| 13:32.23 | sml | antgel: hmmm do you use the same nick on debian-user (the mailing list) ? |
| 13:32.25 | Nitty | aaahm i need help: i have usb mouse: it said set port of mouse ?? what is USB MOUSE ?? |
| 13:32.27 | antgel | ok, that sucks but it's doable |
| 13:32.31 | abrotman | !usb-mouse |
| 13:32.34 | antgel | sml: yep |
| 13:32.34 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 13:32.35 | dpkg | usbmouse is, like, [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
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| 13:32.46 | sml | kneet: Well I could say I'm British (which is) but I'm proud of where I'm born ;) |
| 13:32.54 | sciron | stew> why would ps auxwe show _=/sbin/start-stop-daemon for both a manual execute AND the script? |
| 13:33.00 | sml | antgel: I read a few of your posts earlier ;) |
| 13:33.04 | kneet | sml, Oh - I knew what you meant - just being picky :) |
| 13:33.04 | sciron | stew> just because it's sysv style? |
| 13:33.06 | antgel | sml: i stopped reading and posting for a while, but then got back into it as i can read it like a newsgroup which is less painful |
| 13:33.09 | sml | kneet: =) |
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| 13:33.38 | sml | antgel: Just use a decent MUA :) |
| 13:33.45 | sciron | stew> think I just found it.... |
| 13:34.11 | antgel | sml: and? i hope i'm not coming across as cranky, but the list is high-enough traffic without people asking the same thing a million times. don't want to discourage cluebies though. |
| 13:34.16 | sml | God I'm not drinking that much tequila again for a while. |
| 13:34.31 | ricky_clarkson | kneet: "The name England is often used to refer to all of Great Britain". |
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| 13:34.52 | harfooz | hi all -- I have a fresh installation of 3.1 on a Mac G4 Sawtooth, but no sound. no terminal bell, no sound from the cd player. I've installed alsa-base, alsa-oss, and discover, and turned up the volume on Gnome's Volume Control. |
| 13:35.02 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: s/used/incorrectly &/ ;p |
| 13:35.09 | kneet | ricky_clarkson, I know - but I've some friends from Scotland that get a _little_ annoyed at that :) |
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| 13:35.13 | sciron | stew> http://pastebin.com/324611 |
| 13:35.17 | sciron | stew> check that out ;) |
| 13:35.35 | sml | antgel: I extract info by skim reading parts of interest. I wouldn't have the time to read it all fully. So I'm not sure how you come across... I just recognise the nick :) |
| 13:36.07 | sciron | stew> run from two different ssh logins that should contain identical environments, excepting, obviously, the ttyN |
| 13:36.18 | sml | antgel: I did wonder what a "deer park" build of firefox was though |
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| 13:36.20 | sml | antgel: ;) |
| 13:36.30 | antgel | sml: i do, but it's still painful. even sorted into a folder. |
| 13:37.01 | antgel | sml: so did i until i started doing some mozilla hacking. good fun though. |
| 13:37.09 | sciron | stew> THAT appears in the same place in both outputs... I assume the 'root' that begins the 1st one is the UID, and 'bind' that begins the second one is also the UID? |
| 13:37.09 | sml | antgel: I use procmail to stick it in its own mbox then I read and archive it so I can grep it :) |
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| 13:37.30 | antgel | sml: it's very hard to get into mozilla terminology and development. they know it's a problem and want to improve it. |
| 13:37.39 | sml | antgel: I did like your comment about using the unstable distribution ;) |
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| 13:37.51 | ricky_clarkson | kneet: answers.com says that London is the national capital of England. |
| 13:37.58 | sciron | might explain why I'm getting NXDOMAIN when run from the script :-} |
| 13:37.58 | ricky_clarkson | kneet: Suggests that England is a nation. |
| 13:38.18 | simonth | What is the distribution, with the newest updates? I can't remember - is it "testing" or "unstable"? |
| 13:38.30 | sciron | unstable |
| 13:38.31 | sciron | i think |
| 13:38.34 | sml | Simonth: unstable/sid |
| 13:38.36 | abrotman | unstable |
| 13:38.38 | abrotman | !unstable |
| 13:38.39 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 13:38.40 | Simonth | okay, thanks |
| 13:38.45 | kneet | ricky_clarkson, can't help that - you can't get an English passport |
| 13:39.03 | ricky_clarkson | kneet: "some states comprise several nations, such as Belgium, United Kingdom and Spain". |
| 13:39.16 | antgel | sml: it's true although i'm trying hard to not be like one or two of the knobs who were offputting when i started to use debian. |
| 13:39.17 | kneet | depends on your definition of nationality |
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| 13:39.22 | Nitty | hh |
| 13:39.23 | Nitty | please |
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| 13:39.34 | Nitty | !dhcp |
| 13:39.34 | dpkg | methinks dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
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| 13:39.40 | sciron | yes |
| 13:39.41 | Nitty | !dhcp client |
| 13:39.41 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 13:39.42 | sml | antgel: lol. Well you certainly don't come across as a knob :) |
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| 13:39.56 | liable | Nitty: you can /msg dpkg |
| 13:40.11 | ricky_clarkson | kneet: You can always look that up. |
| 13:40.14 | sml | Where has greycat been recently ? |
| 13:40.16 | Nitty | ah i need help how to reset interface to get new dhcp information for eth0 ?? |
| 13:40.25 | xoz | !seen greycat |
| 13:40.26 | Nitty | ifconfig eth0 restart ?:| |
| 13:40.27 | dpkg | greycat <rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 17h 2m 3s ago, saying: 'Spec: yes'. |
| 13:40.29 | antgel | sml: that list is so busy though, and every second question lately is "why is my mirror showing 404". i filed a bug on the website saying that it should say that unstable users should subscribe to devel.announce. |
| 13:40.34 | liable | sml: visit #bash |
| 13:40.38 | Nitty | hm ? |
| 13:40.39 | PerfDave | Nitty: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 13:40.45 | ricky_clarkson | kneet: I'm sticking with England as a nation, a country and a state, part of a union of states called the United Kingdom. |
| 13:40.53 | sciron | well put |
| 13:41.01 | sml | antgel: Yeah a lot of people just dont bother reading the list, and post even when the same question has been answered a zillion times. |
| 13:41.12 | sml | antgel: Especially the main debian mirror goign down |
| 13:41.21 | sml | antgel: or how to upgrade from woody to sarge, which has been covered 1000 times. |
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| 13:41.49 | sml | oops. s/mirror/ftp. :) |
| 13:41.51 | kneet | ricky_clarkson, fair enough - but you won't get the authorities to agree :) But - all I meant was that nationality can be as you use it or as agreed by the registration authorities - one is a fairly loose meaning - the other a technical description |
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| 13:42.02 | sml | antgel: What mail program you use ? |
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| 13:42.15 | sciron | can anyone tell me what line 2 means in output from ps auxwe? |
| 13:42.24 | sciron | the beginning? |
| 13:42.25 | sml | antgel: You can use something cool like gnus that will allow you to score mailing lists like slrn does with USENET |
| 13:42.27 | sciron | 1st entry.. |
| 13:42.55 | sml | antgel: The only real problem with gnus is that you have to use Emacs (yuck). |
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| 13:43.34 | kcollins | Anyone know how to redirect the output of CUPD-PDF to somewhere other than a home directory? |
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| 13:43.42 | Magically_Foo | Does any know of a good mail server appliance under debian... I am looking for something that I can just put a CD in, and when finished, I will have a full blown mail server... With postfix, and cyrus, anti-spam/anti-virus crap... Oh, and it need to work under LDAP... :) |
| 13:43.54 | sciron | stew> http://pastebin.com/324618 is better |
| 13:43.56 | abrotman | Magically_Foo: ask #postfix .. they may know |
| 13:44.03 | abrotman | Magically_Foo: but i really really doubt it |
| 13:44.15 | Nitty | and now ending problem ?! i need help with X window system it say: NO SCREENS FOUND :( |
| 13:44.24 | abrotman | Magically_Foo: of course .. what they know may not be debian .. but at least they might have a clue with some distro |
| 13:44.25 | SimonRaven | Magically_Foo: wha. no |
| 13:44.26 | Nitty | how to fix this ?! |
| 13:44.31 | abrotman | find the EE lines |
| 13:44.37 | Nitty | EE ? |
| 13:44.40 | SimonRaven | abrotman: such a thing around? |
| 13:44.47 | Tenkawa | you know.. 256 is just way too small of a usb drive |
| 13:44.51 | Tenkawa | err 256 meg |
| 13:44.52 | abrotman | SimonRaven: not that i'm aware .. but #postfix might know .. |
| 13:45.00 | lindenle | Nitty: EE is error lines in X log file |
| 13:45.00 | SimonRaven | grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log |
| 13:45.00 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i have no idea why you'd want such a thing... |
| 13:45.06 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 13:45.14 | SimonRaven | i don't. that's why i was wondering |
| 13:45.21 | abrotman | SimonRaven: got sick of your old nick ? |
| 13:45.34 | Magically_Foo | abrotman: Yeah, the closest I can to that was something based sarge... Close but now cigar... :) |
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| 13:45.59 | SimonRaven | yeh. i figured i have room to spread a bit ;) (nick length is longer than 9, 16 IIRC) |
| 13:46.16 | jm_ | spread the wings and fly away |
| 13:46.20 | peterS | yeah, it can go to 16 |
| 13:46.27 | peterS | someone tell jm_, his is way too short |
| 13:46.43 | Nitty | PROBLEM parsing the config file , Error from xf86handleconfigfile() |
| 13:46.44 | jm_ | hah, used to be justme_ back then |
| 13:46.57 | peterS | jm_: oh, is that what jm means? |
| 13:46.59 | kcollins | Anyone know how to redirect the output of CUPD-PDF to somewhere other than a home directory? |
| 13:47.03 | jm_ | peterS: yup |
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| 13:47.17 | abrotman | SimonRaven: /nick SimonRaven-CAW! |
| 13:47.19 | jsc | hi.. |
| 13:47.25 | Nitty | what i must do |
| 13:47.27 | peterS | jm_: like the character in Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash" who goes by YT - it means 'yours truly' |
| 13:47.43 | SimonRaven | hehe :) |
| 13:47.44 | Nitty | PROBLEM parsing the config file , Error from xf86handleconfigfile() |
| 13:47.51 | Nitty | where is this config file |
| 13:48.05 | ma3x | what's that xen? |
| 13:48.07 | ma3x | !xen |
| 13:48.07 | dpkg | i heard xen is A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. in plain english for morons, it's yet another virtual machineriser |
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| 13:48.38 | peterS | a big-iron tool for white-box PCs? terrible description. |
| 13:48.44 | SimonRaven | Nitty: /etc/X11 |
| 13:48.59 | ma3x | peters, just try to understand the idiotic description |
| 13:49.06 | ma3x | dont bother otherwise |
| 13:49.07 | Nitty | bi |
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| 13:49.08 | Nitty | no |
| 13:49.09 | Nitty | there is not |
| 13:49.10 | peterS | xen is a virtual environment manager, so you can run multiple virtual machines on one physical machine |
| 13:49.22 | peterS | it requires a custom kernel, I think - it doesn't try to virtualise *everything* like VMware does |
| 13:49.23 | SimonRaven | Nitty: no what? |
| 13:50.00 | ma3x | can you run the stupid windows simultaneously? |
| 13:50.10 | sml | vmware is a fucking nightmare if you run arpwatch. |
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| 13:50.20 | peterS | ma3x: not sure. I'm thinking not, you need vmware or its clones for that |
| 13:50.34 | PerfDave | So Xen is basically somewhere between UML and qemu? :) |
| 13:50.34 | kcollins | Anyone know how to redirect the output of CUPS-PDF to somewhere other than a home directory? |
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| 13:50.49 | ma3x | with vmware probably, but you're gonna have terrible resolution and display right? |
| 13:50.50 | peterS | PerfDave: I think so |
| 13:50.58 | Nitty | ?? |
| 13:51.01 | sml | kcollins: You've asked that question three times now, I suggest you read the CUPS documentation. The answer is out there. |
| 13:51.01 | Nitty | what ? |
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| 13:52.26 | liable | !tell Nitty about no screens found |
| 13:52.34 | Nitty | :| |
| 13:52.56 | SimonRaven | read what the bot told you. it's helpful. |
| 13:53.08 | ma3x | hi Simon |
| 13:53.09 | ma3x | hi liable |
| 13:53.13 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 13:53.17 | ma3x | how ya all doin people |
| 13:53.23 | liable | ma3x: HI! |
| 13:53.24 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 13:53.24 | sml | Hi ma3x |
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| 13:53.37 | Kuun-Lann | hi all |
| 13:53.41 | ma3x | are there any big important news coming up for debian? |
| 13:53.49 | peterS | ma3x: not really |
| 13:54.06 | peterS | ma3x: debian infrastructure will all be working again soon, after the minor disruption of the past week. |
| 13:54.07 | ma3x | oh boy , the old good debian |
| 13:54.07 | Nitty | what i must do ?? |
| 13:54.12 | Nitty | with NO Screens found |
| 13:54.27 | SimonRaven | @wir |
| 13:54.27 | ravenbird | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 13:54.29 | ma3x | is there a debian newsletter |
| 13:54.39 | SimonRaven | DWN |
| 13:54.39 | peterS | ma3x: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ |
| 13:54.42 | ma3x | like if new kenel package comes out .. |
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| 13:54.49 | sml | Wasn't gcc upgraded recently in sid. I guess that was a major change. |
| 13:54.52 | ma3x | that's cool |
| 13:55.01 | SimonRaven | yes. went to 4.0.1 |
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| 13:55.04 | liable | Nitty: /msg dpkg troubleshootin x (as the last one told you) |
| 13:55.06 | sciron | incidently, why is the 2.6.11 kernel image missing the broadcom tigon3 module? |
| 13:55.08 | peterS | sml: yeah, and that is still being sorted out - it'll take another week or three, I suppose |
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| 13:55.30 | peterS | sml: that's not really big news for the public though, just for people who run unstable. then again, the service outage is the same way |
| 13:55.43 | drac | sciron: Because it was non-free (license issue) but it's fixed at least since 2.6.13-rc* kernels and included again. |
| 13:55.44 | ma3x | SimonRaven what went to 4.0.1? |
| 13:55.46 | ma3x | kernel?? |
| 13:55.51 | peterS | sciron: because broadcom won't license its module firmware as GPL |
| 13:55.52 | sciron | ah, ok |
| 13:55.54 | SimonRaven | gcc |
| 13:55.57 | ethics | scrin ..issue with non free firmware...fixed by broadcom...back in 2.6.12 there are non free modules in repositories tho |
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| 13:56.05 | peterS | sciron: they say it is, but it doesn't come with source code, so it can't be |
| 13:56.18 | sciron | it comes with most 2.6.n vanilla source trees I've used :| |
| 13:56.24 | sml | peterS: Well architecturaly its a major change going from gcc3 to gcc4. Other than that the only announcements I 've had of late are more bleeding problems with zlib ;) |
| 13:56.26 | sciron | and it works |
| 13:56.39 | ma3x | how old is actually debian? |
| 13:56.41 | peterS | sml: end-users don't care about compiler versions. or they shouldn't. |
| 13:56.43 | ma3x | when was it created? |
| 13:56.50 | sciron | 1993 iirc |
| 13:56.50 | ethics | i beleive the issue was fixed...read 2.6.12 changelogs to confirm |
| 13:56.51 | peterS | ma3x: debian was created in 1993 |
| 13:56.59 | sciron | understood |
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| 13:57.17 | ma3x | 12 years, oh dear, that's a lot |
| 13:57.23 | Petrov | is debian good for desktop? |
| 13:57.23 | Nitty | what I MUST do with NO SCREENS FOUND ?! |
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| 13:57.30 | sml | peterS: that is true. but end users should know the consequences (breakage) of upgrading certain packages |
| 13:57.31 | ma3x | Petrov : of course |
| 13:57.40 | ma3x | Petrov : what did you think, crapy windows is better? |
| 13:57.41 | sml | peterS: Otherwise how can they make informed decisions. |
| 13:57.52 | Petrov | ma3x: :p |
| 13:58.06 | peterS | sml: things break in unstable all the time. end-users don't run unstable, for exactly that reason. by the time the end-users get the next version of debian, it'll have a lot of new versions of everything, some due to the gcc4 transition but most due to simple package churn |
| 13:58.09 | Petrov | i go install sarge :d |
| 13:58.13 | ma3x | Nitty didn't you get that information from dpkg? |
| 13:58.22 | ma3x | Petrov good luck! |
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| 13:58.34 | liable | Nitty: didnt we tell you? (or didnt dpkg) |
| 13:58.44 | Simonth | I have an AMD64Bit 3000+ CPU, but which version of Debian should I download? I can see there is a ia64 and i386, but that versions wont work with my CPU I think... |
| 13:58.58 | edugcj | how do i install jabber to run with msn? |
| 13:58.59 | peterS | Simonth: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
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| 13:59.05 | harleyg | how do i see what debian im using (stable/unstable/tetsing)? |
| 13:59.12 | peterS | Simonth: amd64 is not officially part of debian, but it's what you want to use |
| 13:59.14 | ma3x | edugcj : did you try gaim? |
| 13:59.15 | sml | peterS: In reality, if you read the debian mailing lists, you will see lots of end-users run sid when they shouldn't. |
| 13:59.18 | Petrov | ma3x : thx |
| 13:59.24 | liable | harleyg: you dont know? |
| 13:59.26 | ma3x | Petrov : np dude! |
| 13:59.28 | peterS | sml: yeah, well. |
| 13:59.29 | edugcj | ma3x i mean the jabber server |
| 13:59.30 | harleyg | i forget things.. |
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| 13:59.33 | sml | harleyg: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:59.37 | harleyg | i forget most thigns tbh |
| 13:59.38 | harleyg | :) |
| 13:59.38 | edugcj | ma3x to run it internal |
| 13:59.40 | liable | harleyg: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 13:59.44 | theb0y | hello, when I start my ram disk, it says: EXT3-fs: Magic mismatch, very weird and also: Kernel panic: not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (1,0) wtf is that? |
| 13:59.47 | peterS | sml: we need more gcc4 library transitions to remind them not to do that (: |
| 13:59.48 | harleyg | thanks |
| 13:59.50 | ma3x | edugcj : can't help you there,sorry |
| 13:59.57 | sml | peterS: True ;) |
| 14:00.00 | edugcj | ma3x tnx |
| 14:00.06 | Simonth | peterS: Okay, thanks |
| 14:00.13 | ma3x | nothing to thank for |
| 14:00.16 | ma3x | try some googling |
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| 14:00.20 | liable | theb0y: debian kernel? |
| 14:00.46 | sml | peterS: Lots of people also had "stable" in their sources.list and had a shock when their system suddenly started tracking sarge lol. |
| 14:01.07 | sml | peterS: The recent release has taught a lot of people what the differences are between the releases. |
| 14:01.08 | peterS | sml: heh, right |
| 14:01.09 | antgel | Simonth: i386 will work. amd64 is WIP afaik. |
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| 14:01.24 | sml | Which is a good thing. I think before they just guessed which one to run. |
| 14:01.32 | peterS | Simonth: actually amd64 is quite well supported. but if it fails, you *can* install the i386 version instead |
| 14:01.47 | Simonth | antgel: Iam not so good to english...what means "WIP afaik"? |
| 14:01.54 | TBBle | I assume people were flipping some kind of three-sided coin. |
| 14:02.02 | peterS | Simonth: WIP == "work in progress" - unfinished. but the amd64 port is quite good |
| 14:02.09 | antgel | work in progress as far as i know. i haven't used it as don't see the point yet on a workstation |
| 14:02.15 | antgel | depends what your needs are |
| 14:02.24 | edugcj | how do i install jabberd to run with msn? |
| 14:02.42 | liable | Simonth: there is a unofficail amd-64 sarge version.. |
| 14:02.48 | peterS | liable: I told him |
| 14:02.53 | Simonth | peterS: Okay, I will try - Currently Iam running the Windows 64bit 120days trial but soon I cant use it anymore.. |
| 14:03.00 | liable | peterS: yes, I am slow :) |
| 14:03.07 | antgel | Simonth: that's a _good_ thing |
| 14:03.21 | Simonth | antgel, my needs is not so high..workstation just, writing, programmings and so on.. |
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| 14:04.00 | antgel | Simonth: then i would go with the supported i386 sarge. but i admit i haven't used the amd64 port, if people say it's good then give it a go. |
| 14:04.26 | Simonth | antgel, a good thing that my trial version of Windows wont work anymore soon? Hmm...maybe - but I cant run my 3 games on Linux ;) |
| 14:04.40 | peterS | Simonth: I recommend the netinst CD image - 84 MB - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:04.53 | Simonth | antgel: I can try with the amd64 version, and if it dont work I can easily change.. |
| 14:05.00 | peterS | Simonth: that installs a base system, everything else is downloaded later |
| 14:05.10 | antgel | Simonth: buy a gamecube. :) everyone thinks it's crap because they don't have good marketing and games are dead cheap second-hand. :) |
| 14:05.25 | abrotman | antgel: there are no games |
| 14:05.49 | antgel | abrotman: incorrect. there are definitely less games, but there is a much higher ratio of quality. |
| 14:05.54 | ethics | gamecubes weret popular because they took 2.5 years to pirate for |
| 14:05.55 | sml | I'm going to buy a ps2 when that Godfather game comes out |
| 14:06.02 | abrotman | antgel: i'm being generous .. dreamcast had negative games :) |
| 14:06.03 | antgel | ethics: lol |
| 14:06.14 | ethics | faster a box is hacked the faster the buzz gets around.. |
| 14:06.19 | antgel | abrotman: i never had one but i understand it didn't stink that much |
| 14:06.30 | abrotman | antgel: no .. it didn't .. bad timing .. screwed sega .. |
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| 14:06.43 | ethics | xbox 360 could be a dangerous thing to microsoft if they hack it quickly tho |
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| 14:06.48 | peterS | dreamcast? isn't that some SuperH Linux box? |
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| 14:06.54 | antgel | imo (and let's not fight here), ps2 and xbox have 95% rubbish titles on the shelves |
| 14:06.55 | abrotman | antgel: i'm joking about gamecube .. there are games .. i don't agree about quality .. but i'm probably a different market than thier target market |
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| 14:07.03 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
| 14:07.03 | antgel | e.g. "realistic car driver vol 34" |
| 14:07.11 | antgel | it's too much about simulating real life |
| 14:07.18 | antgel | for my taste - no imagination |
| 14:07.25 | ethics | dreamx is a suped up xbox. dream cast was sega's console...good specs under sold |
| 14:07.32 | sml | I like games like Elite, Lemmings, Street Fighter 2, Legend of Zelda etc |
| 14:07.34 | Simonth | peterS: Okay, thanks (again) - Is it correct, what I have understood... AMD64 can all the normal Debian commands including apt-get - it is just AMD64 ? |
| 14:07.39 | abrotman | antgel: i don't play many of those .. currently still playing .. uhm .. Shadow Hearts i think .. i just beat uhm .. XIII(which was great IMO) |
| 14:07.42 | peterS | Simonth: yes |
| 14:07.48 | sml | YOu can get a penguin lemming game for linux but i think it has like, one level. |
| 14:07.56 | abrotman | happypengiun.com |
| 14:07.59 | abrotman | maybe .org |
| 14:08.01 | Simonth | Okay, good...then I have no reasons to NOT try the amd64 ;) |
| 14:08.02 | peterS | Simonth: the main reason it is "unofficial" is that, at the time of release, there was not space on the Debian mirrors to carry it as an official archive |
| 14:08.11 | ethics | sml...dosbox and a website called aboandonia...and a google of abandonware may make your night... |
| 14:08.13 | antgel | abrotman: but it's not just that. e.g. is fifa 2005 the year 2005 or the 2005th version? ;) |
| 14:08.18 | FieldySnuts | badger ~ # screen -r |
| 14:08.18 | FieldySnuts | There is a screen on: |
| 14:08.18 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.18 | FieldySnuts | There is no screen to be resumed. |
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| 14:08.19 | abrotman | peterS: and sarge kept releasing RSN :) |
| 14:08.21 | wombats | Jees, hehe, enough people in the channel...? |
| 14:08.26 | wombats | :-) |
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| 14:08.31 | peterS | Simonth: the Debian mirrors are over 100 GB of data - not every mirror had space for even more stuff |
| 14:08.38 | abrotman | antgel: duh .. 2005 .. nintendo does the same thing |
| 14:08.39 | liable | !lart FieldySnuts |
| 14:08.40 | FieldySnuts | sorry, my mistake. didn't even see any return chars |
| 14:08.55 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: don't paste here ;) /me giggles |
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| 14:09.04 | Simonth | peterS: 100 gb? damn! |
| 14:09.06 | peterS | trust Fieldy to run a machine called badger |
| 14:09.12 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: you want -x |
| 14:09.18 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 14:09.25 | FieldySnuts | no i want to detach it first (i'm a dummy) |
| 14:09.26 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
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| 14:09.31 | peterS | Simonth: yeah. Debian supports 11 official architectures, everything from Itanium to Motorola 680x0 |
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| 14:09.33 | FieldySnuts | peterS: yeah it's our main server here hehe |
| 14:09.38 | Simonth | Currently downloading the netinstallation now - I want bigger internet connection, 220 kb/s :( |
| 14:09.40 | peterS | Simonth: amd64 makes 12, there just wasn't room for that 12th one |
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| 14:09.42 | antgel | abrotman: sometimes, sometimes not. the ea games' popularity encourages people to not use their imagination in the games they demand |
| 14:09.47 | abrotman | Simonth: now .. take that .. multiply by .. roughly 2 .. then by .. what .. 11 architectures .. then add oldstable/testing/unstable |
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| 14:09.57 | Danar | anyone know how much a dual layer dvd burner cost 1 yr ago? |
| 14:10.05 | FieldySnuts | wtf kind of question is that |
| 14:10.06 | abrotman | antgel: i did thoroghly enjoy MLB2004 :) |
| 14:10.18 | antgel | abrotman: i don't understand baseball, i'm british |
| 14:10.22 | peterS | Simonth: is that 220 kbyte/s or 220 kbit/s? |
| 14:10.24 | FieldySnuts | the ESPN Sports series has been very good, NHL 2005 is great |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | antgel: cricket .. hold the bat up :) |
| 14:10.30 | ethics | sml: the-underdogs is another one you may like although i find them awkward in wine to config sometimes hehe |
| 14:10.32 | FieldySnuts | especially for their first version of it, can't wait to see the next |
| 14:10.35 | rking | am i on #chat? |
| 14:10.36 | TBBle | A year ago, I don't think you could buy them... |
| 14:10.36 | Simonth | abrotman, I dont think my calculator can take that big numbers ;) |
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| 14:10.37 | antgel | abrotman: all i'm saying is that it's such an underrated box and it's a shame |
| 14:10.37 | ^arky^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.44 | abrotman | Simonth: yeah .. i konw |
| 14:10.46 | FieldySnuts | online play was good though some minor bugs, anxiously awaiting 2006 |
| 14:10.55 | sml | rking: lol |
| 14:10.57 | FieldySnuts | better than EA's 2005 for sure |
| 14:11.00 | abrotman | antgel: it's not the first time .. but i'm all about the games! .. |
| 14:11.00 | Simonth | peterS: 220 kbyte/s (KB) |
| 14:11.03 | FieldySnuts | much better </OT> |
| 14:11.07 | peterS | Simonth: oh, quit your whining then (: |
| 14:11.12 | antgel | abrotman: as am i :) |
| 14:11.12 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i wish i could find NHL from EA .. noone sells it becuase there was no season |
| 14:11.29 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: it was a letdown, don't worry about it |
| 14:11.33 | ethics | FieldySnuts, ea was making deals to try cut alot out...i think baseball did it but nfl said no...not sure tho or on what others |
| 14:11.34 | runge | hi. is there a howto on setting apache2 up with ssl? (minding virtual hosts if needed) |
| 14:11.40 | abrotman | antgel: and PS2 has a larger library .. by far .. i read somewhere the other day ... like 17,000 games including PS1(which can be played on PS2) |
| 14:11.43 | antgel | abrotman: for me, a console only needs about 30 great games. i never own more than 15-ish |
| 14:11.51 | Simonth | peterS: I know I know.. but I think my upload is like **** ;) 512 kbit/s - but in Denmark they dont have bigger internet connections than 2048/512 kbit/s :/ |
| 14:11.54 | FieldySnuts | antgel: good point |
| 14:12.01 | abrotman | antgel: choice is good :) |
| 14:12.17 | peterS | Simonth: so it takes 7 minutes to download the netinst. it's probably almost done now. |
| 14:12.19 | abrotman | antgel: i can sit through a crappy game .. i mean .. shit . i used to play Dolphin on the atari :) |
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| 14:12.24 | antgel | abrotman: i'm not disputing the quantity, i'm disputing the ratio of quality games to lookalike tps etc |
| 14:12.30 | ethics | playstation is by far the market holder but xbox took second place surprisingly quicvkly and at more market share than others before |
| 14:12.33 | Simonth | peterS: 43% - yes |
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| 14:12.53 | abrotman | antgel: many lookalikes .. but still many quality games .. i have a good number of great games .. XIII was horribly underrated .. but it was sooo much fun to play |
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| 14:12.58 | ethics | the asian countries are extremely playstationed |
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| 14:13.04 | peterS | Simonth: you know, not *too* long ago, your download speed was about the same as the speed you could burn a CD |
| 14:13.13 | peterS | (you are downloading between 1x and 2x for a CD) |
| 14:13.27 | ethics | and anyways playstations are easier to put into a car |
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| 14:13.43 | antgel | abrotman: all i'm saying is that cubes are dirt cheap second hand now as people don't know how good they are. get one, get zelda, and i'll see you in a few weeks. :) |
| 14:13.43 | abrotman | antgel: the one thing i feel all current consoles are missing are good flight sims .. esp WWII era stuff |
| 14:13.45 | liable | ps in a car? |
| 14:13.57 | abrotman | antgel: i don't have time to play the PS2 games i have .. i don't need another console :) |
| 14:14.01 | antgel | abrotman: traditionally, on pc's they needed all 102 keys lol |
| 14:14.01 | ethics | wives shut up more on long drives |
| 14:14.02 | liable | abrotman: flightgear! |
| 14:14.08 | abrotman | liable: PS2 |
| 14:14.09 | ethics | 8) |
| 14:14.19 | abrotman | antgel: i know .. but still .. at least more than 3 would be nice |
| 14:14.29 | antgel | lol |
| 14:14.47 | Simonth | peterS: Yes - For "many"(cant remember...1998 I think) years ago I downloaded with 2 ISDN modems, damn it goes fast ;) I was downloading the newest Winamp - 3 mb..takes loong time.. |
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| 14:15.00 | abrotman | they have the ace combat series .. battle antilla or whatever it was .. and secret weapons over normandy .. and i think that's it |
| 14:15.02 | Wille88 | is it possible to run lilo under chroot? |
| 14:15.06 | ethics | nothing like a game of super puzzle fighter or bejeweled to make a drive pleasurable |
| 14:15.08 | peterS | Simonth: heh, right |
| 14:15.10 | petemc | Wille88: yeah |
| 14:15.21 | peterS | Wille88: sure |
| 14:15.24 | antgel | i'm looking forward to the revolution. but i won't be buying one until i've finished all my cube games, by which time it will also be dirt cheap as hordes of people run to buy tony theft auto 43 for the xcock 720 ;) |
| 14:15.27 | petemc | hey peterS |
| 14:15.28 | ethics | not to mention the mp4 player and dvd |
| 14:15.31 | peterS | hey petemc |
| 14:15.35 | abrotman | you kids and your ISDN .. i used to downloads games on a 9600 from gopher in UMinn |
| 14:15.41 | abrotman | i was a loser |
| 14:15.45 | peterS | another instance of answering the same question in a very similar way. hmmm. |
| 14:15.48 | ricky_clarkson | I've been looking forward to the revolution all my life. |
| 14:15.53 | antgel | abrotman: i used to play spectrum games from tape |
| 14:15.56 | LSorensen | abrotman: I only had a 2400 |
| 14:15.56 | petemc | heh |
| 14:15.59 | abrotman | antgel: and i |
| 14:16.00 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Me too. |
| 14:16.10 | abrotman | LSorensen: no .. this was my own PC .. we had an apple with a 300 :) |
| 14:16.11 | ricky_clarkson | I got fed up of waiting, that's why I got into programming. |
| 14:16.12 | antgel | this must be the coolest room in irc |
| 14:16.13 | mxn | Hi. I'm running kernel 2.6.12.3. Sound "works" - xmms can play an MP3 using ALSA output. But I can't hear anything; I think I need to sort out my mixer settings. How can I do this? |
| 14:16.14 | ricky_clarkson | At age 6. |
| 14:16.18 | LSorensen | abrotman: a 14400 was such an amazing speed upgrade when I got one |
| 14:16.19 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: -20C, dude. |
| 14:16.23 | abrotman | LSorensen: damn right |
| 14:16.31 | peterS | antgel: the cool people in the room call it a channel |
| 14:16.32 | rking | mxn: i think i'm having the same problem |
| 14:16.33 | abrotman | 0 kelvin ? |
| 14:16.39 | ethics | mxm alsa mixer m = unmute 8) |
| 14:16.44 | LSorensen | abrotman: and the courier 56k was nice too. I still use that one as a backup |
| 14:16.45 | antgel | peterS: i don't know what came over me (ooer) |
| 14:16.48 | ethics | mxm alsamixer rather |
| 14:16.53 | TBBle | ricky_clarkson: Scary, me too. _also_ at age six. |
| 14:16.58 | antgel | i guess it got a bit teenage l33t for a sec |
| 14:17.04 | ricky_clarkson | TBBle: Still programming? |
| 14:17.05 | SimonRaven | what arch is the PS2 again? MIPS, or PPC? |
| 14:17.08 | Simonth | You can still, if you have the right hardware, download with about 1kb/s over radio.. |
| 14:17.11 | abrotman | LSorensen: i sold mine .. but i have a 33.6 Dialup router still :) |
| 14:17.12 | ethics | ppc |
| 14:17.14 | TBBle | Yup. ^_^ |
| 14:17.17 | LSorensen | : mips I believe. |
| 14:17.17 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 14:17.23 | SimonRaven | nice :). |
| 14:17.26 | peterS | right, PS2 is PPC, GC is mips - right? |
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| 14:17.29 | ethics | oh 2 is mips 3 is ppc |
| 14:17.34 | LSorensen | SimonRaven: PS2 is not ppc. |
| 14:17.39 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: me too. how old are you? i'm 28 |
| 14:17.39 | SimonRaven | mips |
| 14:17.41 | peterS | hrrrm. I was mistaken. |
| 14:17.42 | ricky_clarkson | 24 |
| 14:17.47 | rking | mxn: if it turns out to be more than alsamixer + unmute, try looking in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver - i'm pretty sure the ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz has some relevant info for my problem (although i haven't had time to test it) |
| 14:17.48 | LSorensen | peterS: gamecube was the first ppc console |
| 14:17.49 | tarzeau | ethics: 1 is mips too |
| 14:17.50 | darkskiez | i've got a problem with apache2, its really slow, dns is fine, and the ldap servers seem ok |
| 14:18.06 | peterS | tarzeau: so what endian are they? |
| 14:18.08 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: you program for a living? |
| 14:18.11 | ricky_clarkson | Yep. |
| 14:18.15 | LSorensen | peterS: nintendo used to use mips as well as far as I remember. and z80's for sound on early ones |
| 14:18.15 | tarzeau | peterS: they can be both |
| 14:18.17 | ethics | tarzeau, never tried to put linux on one heheh it was my pre linux everything stage |
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| 14:18.21 | LSorensen | peterS: but everyone used z80's for sound |
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| 14:18.31 | peterS | tarzeau: why would a console have that as a runtime config? |
| 14:18.32 | mxn | rking: I can't/haven't tried to get a mixer to work (they can't access a mixer device). |
| 14:18.37 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: who for? self? |
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| 14:18.49 | tarzeau | peterS: the cpu has it configurable. no idea what the ps has set |
| 14:18.52 | LSorensen | peterS: no the architecture has that as an option. a specific system almost always boots and runs in one of them only |
| 14:18.56 | peterS | tarzeau: right, I was asking about the PS/PS2 |
| 14:19.00 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: salford.ac.uk |
| 14:19.05 | peterS | LSorensen: right, I know. I was asking about the consoles |
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| 14:19.17 | ma3x | i have added option domain-name-servers ns1,ns2.... to the dhclient.conf and still it resets my /etc/resolv.conf to nameserver 192.168.0.1. why? |
| 14:19.24 | LSorensen | peterS: I would suspect big endian, but that's just because I think it makes more sense :) |
| 14:19.32 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: cool. if you ever investigate the opportunities in london give me a shout! :) |
| 14:19.35 | peterS | LSorensen: BE does not make more sense! |
| 14:19.44 | ethics | mxn sounds like your running oss not alsa lsmod and look for sound chips etc |
| 14:19.45 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Why, are you an employer in London? |
| 14:19.48 | LSorensen | peterS: it does to the hardware designer |
| 14:19.51 | SimonRaven | it's MIPS alright |
| 14:19.55 | rking | mxn: well, you may have a different problem than i do, entirely... do you have your lspci / modprobe stuff all sorted out? |
| 14:19.56 | LSorensen | peterS: at least I think it does |
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| 14:20.02 | sciron | ma3x> failover maybe, can you paste you dhcp config and resolv.conf? |
| 14:20.03 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: yep, small (embryonic) i.t. company |
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| 14:20.10 | peterS | LSorensen: BE makes sense if you want to make your arch as source-compatible as possible with big unix boxes, to make life easier on ISVs |
| 14:20.11 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Doing what? |
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| 14:20.16 | LSorensen | peterS: if it was that easy though, you probably would only have one endianess in use |
| 14:20.16 | peterS | LSorensen: otherwise LE makes sense (: |
| 14:20.24 | mxn | rking: I think it's sorted. As I said, xmms plays when ALSA is selected as output (but I can't hear it because I don't know how to access the "in-kernel mixer", if that's correct) |
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| 14:20.49 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: www.wayforth.co.uk (but it is work in progress). support, development, etc. two of us at the moment but hope to add someone in next 6-12 months. |
| 14:21.00 | SimonRaven | PS2 : CPU: The CPU is a general purpose MIPS variant CPU with its own FPU, 128 bit SIMD integer multimedia extensions, ICACHE, DCACHE and a special on-chip "Scratch pad" memory of 16K. |
| 14:21.01 | LSorensen | peterS: if I view a file in a hex editor, bigendian files show the bytes in the right order, while little endian has them backwards. |
| 14:21.07 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: whatever people will pay for :) |
| 14:21.10 | ethics | mxn, if the modules loaded are prefixed with snd- then they are alsa if not its oss and you need to run alsaconf and maybee blacklsit |
| 14:21.12 | SimonRaven | so BE |
| 14:21.15 | peterS | LSorensen: only because humans are trained to think BE for numbers |
| 14:21.31 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: "You can talk to us about what you need in familiar terms, without any technical jargon" |
| 14:21.31 | LSorensen | peterS: well no only because I am used to reading left to right :) |
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| 14:21.41 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Does that mean you don't understand the technical jargon? ;) |
| 14:21.42 | peterS | LSorensen: with LE you can read or write a field which is zero-padded, without agreeing on field size |
| 14:21.54 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: what does jargon mean? ;) |
| 14:22.14 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: It's what happens when you delete a Java program. |
| 14:22.17 | peterS | LSorensen: interestingly, arabic numerals are called that because we got them, kind of indirectly, from a language which reads right-to-left. I wonder if numbers in Arabic are actually LE |
| 14:22.19 | ma3x | sciron: there is only search domainname and nameserver 192.168.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:22.24 | LSorensen | peterS: well the first one at least. :) good luck finding the second field :) |
| 14:22.43 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: I admired the funny text on an Arabic newspaper once, and the numerals were the same. |
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| 14:22.49 | ma3x | and in /etc/dhclient.conf everything is by default with # in the front, just that i uncommented option domain-name-servers ns1,2,3,4 |
| 14:22.53 | SimonRaven | AFK |
| 14:22.56 | peterS | LSorensen: the point is, you can leave padding in a struct, mandate that it be zero-filled, and if you later decide you need bigger numbers, all your existing data is still valid |
| 14:22.59 | useruser_ | antgel: you should spell-check your website :P |
| 14:23.01 | sciron | ma3x> which domainname though, that's why I wanted to see both ;) |
| 14:23.01 | LSorensen | peterS: it seems the numbers were the same order we have them |
| 14:23.18 | antgel | doesn't really matter, no one looks at it |
| 14:23.19 | peterS | LSorensen: with BE you have to pad to the *left* of the field, which seems strange |
| 14:23.20 | antgel | YET |
| 14:23.23 | sml | antgel: lol |
| 14:23.26 | Simonth | I dont think it is possible but...Are there any Sony Ericsson k500i drivers to Linux? So I can connect my mobilephone to my computer? |
| 14:23.28 | LSorensen | peterS: I don't think I support hacks like that |
| 14:23.31 | ma3x | sciron : my ip's reserve name |
| 14:23.44 | ma3x | sciron : but it's not commented in dhclient.conf |
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| 14:23.52 | sciron | ma3x> this will be next to impossible without seeing them |
| 14:23.53 | shingouz | Simonth: drivers? you mean to use the k500 as a modem? |
| 14:24.06 | mxn | ethics/rking: Ah, I just needed to install alsa-base and alsa-utils, then unmute in alsamixer. Cheers, sorted. |
| 14:24.12 | LSorensen | peterS: it does fit well with intel's add more bits to the architecture style of cpu development of course. just keep padding the bigger bytes after the smaller ones |
| 14:24.24 | Simonth | shingouz: Yes but also maybe to use the k500 to tranfser files/sms messages and so on.. |
| 14:24.39 | peterS | LSorensen: also something to be said for reading just one byte from a field, if you intend to mask off the high bits, and never have any confusion about which byte that would be |
| 14:24.47 | ethics | mxn ahh alsa-utils thats normally a dependency of something |
| 14:25.09 | ma3x | sciron where should i paste? |
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| 14:25.29 | sciron | ma3x> pastebin.com or at the place mentioned when you came into the room ;) |
| 14:25.33 | shingouz | Simonth: to use it as a modem on gprs, just dial it up with wvdial. to access the other records i am not sure |
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| 14:25.50 | Petrov | how can i install the xfree86? |
| 14:26.02 | Eclipser | is there any midi tracker for linux? |
| 14:26.06 | LSorensen | peterS: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 14:26.14 | LSorensen | Eclipser: rosegarden among others |
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| 14:26.38 | Eclipser | let's see |
| 14:26.42 | peterS | LSorensen: oh well, if you're IBM, SGI, Cray, Apple or Sun, you obviously prefer BE. if you're DEC or Intel, you prefer LE. |
| 14:26.50 | Petrov | LSorensen : thx |
| 14:26.54 | Eclipser | too bad my phone can't play sid's :( |
| 14:26.58 | Simonth | shingouz, Okay, I have before used a program called "floAt's Mobile agent"(http://fma.sourceforge.net/index2.htm), but I think it is only to Windows :/ |
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| 14:27.30 | shay | yo folks, how can I use grep to show me lines that begins with X word? |
| 14:27.39 | shingouz | Simonth: i have no idea how to access the phonebook etc on the phone. i do know how to connect with the gprs though |
| 14:27.40 | peterS | shay: grep ^Xword |
| 14:27.41 | Nitty | OKE |
| 14:27.45 | sml | ricky_clarkson: do you program for *nix or win32 ? |
| 14:27.47 | Nitty | X window system running |
| 14:27.48 | Nitty | but |
| 14:27.50 | shay | peterS, thanks :-) |
| 14:27.52 | Nitty | mice nothing |
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| 14:27.56 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Java. |
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| 14:28.03 | Simonth | shingouz: Okay, but thanks anyway - I will try to search on Google.. |
| 14:28.07 | sml | ricky_clarkson: Ah. Cool :-) |
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| 14:28.30 | ma3x | sciron : http://pastebin.com/324646 |
| 14:28.36 | sorush20 | guys I'm trying to install KDAR and I keep getting this error.. make[2]: *** [archiveHandle.o] Error 1 |
| 14:28.36 | sorush20 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sam/Desktop/kdar-2.0.6/src' |
| 14:28.36 | sorush20 | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 14:28.36 | sorush20 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sam/Desktop/kdar-2.0.6' |
| 14:28.36 | sorush20 | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 14:28.37 | peterS | Simonth: too bad it's not palmos compatible, lots of stuff can talk to palms in linux |
| 14:28.37 | darkskiez | anyone know why apache2 would totally stall ? |
| 14:28.38 | sceig | how can i display in real time all sql requests to my mysql db ? |
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| 14:29.30 | Simonth | peterS: Can a HP iPAQ hw6515 work with Linux? I maybe get one of these Pocket PCs.. |
| 14:30.00 | peterS | Simonth: the iPAQ platform in general can *run* Linux. I have no idea how well its native OS integrates with Linux. |
| 14:30.02 | SimonRaven | i hear the ipaqs do linux |
| 14:30.07 | SimonRaven | some anyway |
| 14:30.18 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I'm going to translate your site to English. |
| 14:30.19 | sml | sceig: tcpdump will work quite nicely. I've used tcpdump to work out the SQL behind queries being run, so that I could optimise the database (putting appropriate indexes in place etc) |
| 14:30.20 | Eclipser | grr |
| 14:30.40 | Eclipser | why has someone always made a program I plan to make :< |
| 14:30.41 | sml | ricky_clarkson: What language is it currently in ? |
| 14:30.47 | peterS | Simonth: iPAQ can even run Debian - at least, a stripped-down version. www.handhelds.org apparently knows about 2 Linux distributions for iPAQ, both derived from Debian |
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| 14:31.06 | Simonth | peterS: Okay... Maybe HP e-mail support knows something ;) Until now they have answered nine of my e-mails ;) |
| 14:31.10 | sciron | ma3x> why is it you list only one name server? ; is EOL in dhcp configs ;) |
| 14:31.24 | TBBle | You can turn on the heavy mysql logging and tail -f the logfile... |
| 14:31.25 | peterS | Simonth: heh. I don't own any gadgets like that so I really have no idea |
| 14:31.29 | sciron | ma3x> actually, dhcpd doesn't complain on startup? |
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| 14:31.53 | sml | "Jack Chalker has just sent you $26.00 USD with PayPal [893296]" anyone else get thousands of these pesky phishing scams ? |
| 14:32.01 | Simonth | peterS: Iam not intersted(cant spell :/) in running Linux on a iPAQ because there is a legal Windows version on it allready, with contact books and so on ;) |
| 14:32.08 | sml | I'm the luckiest guy on the planet i get at least 100 a day. |
| 14:32.11 | Simonth | peterS: heh - they are very expensive.. |
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| 14:32.36 | peterS | sml: that's nothing, people offer to let me in on money laundering schemes worth millions |
| 14:32.48 | sml | peterS: LMAO. |
| 14:33.16 | sciron | ma3x> uhm, that's dhclients' config, isn't it? i thought you wanted server? |
| 14:33.26 | peterS | sml: haven't seen the paypal phishing thing yet. I get all kinds of ebay phishing, because I haven't bothered to filter it yet |
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| 14:34.27 | ma3x | sciron : client! |
| 14:34.40 | ma3x | sciron : where is in my list only one server? |
| 14:34.46 | ma3x | there are 4 ns's |
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| 14:34.57 | sciron | ma3x> bad case of head in my butt, sorry, that ; comment was applicable to server. |
| 14:35.00 | blackout | are there any linux alternatives to iTunes out there? Anywhere we can get "all the latest tunes of today" from? |
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| 14:35.26 | blackout | I saw Linspire's Lsongs - anything helpful in debian? |
| 14:35.34 | sciron | ma3x> do you know if the dhcp server sends DNS server information? |
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| 14:35.41 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Marketese. |
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| 14:35.57 | sml | ricky_clarkson: Ah. |
| 14:36.03 | sciron | ma3x> debians' default setup for dhclient rewrites resolv.conf, at least mine does... |
| 14:36.04 | LSorensen | peterS: I thought some powerpc systems were little endian, but I am not sure. Specifically I thought some older IBM powerpc systems were little endian. I may have imagined that though. I know mips cpus are little endian in dec as you said and big endian in sgi. |
| 14:36.05 | ma3x | sciron : i know, it doesnt |
| 14:36.07 | sml | ricky_clarkson: Sounds like an italian dialect ;) |
| 14:36.10 | ricky_clarkson | sml: antgel: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/tmp/antgel.txt |
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| 14:36.14 | PerfDave | blackout: http://www.mperia.com/ :) |
| 14:36.24 | LSorensen | sciron: the docs do say how to make a dhclient config file to stop that sillyness. :) |
| 14:36.28 | peterS | LSorensen: powerpc has some little-endian features but from my reading of the manual it's kind of a half-baked effort |
| 14:36.36 | ma3x | sciron : but is it good - my dhclient.conf ?| |
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| 14:36.51 | LSorensen | peterS: yeah. of course arm can do both as well. Too many configurable chips out there. |
| 14:36.59 | peterS | LSorensen: I mean, it's got an endian flag in a control register and that changes behavior some, but AFAICT that just confuses matters since it's not *thoroughly* bi-endian |
| 14:37.08 | peterS | LSorensen: right, and don't forget ia-64 |
| 14:37.10 | sciron | ma3x> i must appologize, my familiarity with the client side conf is limited, i really thought you were looking for server help |
| 14:37.16 | LSorensen | peterS: ah, just some byte swapping probably |
| 14:37.28 | sciron | ma3x> i don't even know if dhcp-client is the one from ISC... :| |
| 14:37.45 | peterS | LSorensen: yeah. ia-64 needed to be bi-endian since it was developed by HP and Intel. HP needed big-endian for compatibility with pa-risc, Intel needed little-endian for compatibility with i386 |
| 14:37.55 | ma3x | sciron np,tnx |
| 14:38.02 | blackout | PerfDave, ha... funny. |
| 14:38.02 | LSorensen | peterS: oh no, that one too? |
| 14:38.14 | sml | ricky_clarkson: that is hilarious :) |
| 14:38.23 | peterS | LSorensen: yep. Linux and WinXP/2003 run it in little-endian mode, HP-UX runs it in big-endian mode |
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| 14:38.29 | LSorensen | peterS: but the i386 was being emulated anyhow, why not just emulate the endianess. :( |
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| 14:38.51 | peterS | LSorensen: too confusing when the kernel has to know about 32-bit system calls, etc. |
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| 14:39.06 | LSorensen | peterS: perhaps. |
| 14:39.09 | blackout | darn - that's really problematic for me, getting folks switched over from windows. Does iTunes run nice under wine? |
| 14:39.16 | LSorensen | Arafangion: some think network order should be changed |
| 14:39.23 | peterS | ArtistAgent: network byte order is an abomination. don't be sneaky, admit that you're talking about the EVIL BIG-ENDIAN |
| 14:39.29 | peterS | errr ... Arafangion |
| 14:39.36 | ricky_clarkson | Big Endian makes sense. |
| 14:39.39 | Arafangion | I'm talking abut 12345678 |
| 14:39.48 | Arafangion | first bit first, last bit last. |
| 14:40.00 | LSorensen | Arafangion: I prefer it too. |
| 14:40.24 | LSorensen | Arafangion: getting bites 7 to 0, then 15 to 8 and so on is just weird |
| 14:40.28 | LSorensen | er bits |
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| 14:40.31 | peterS | Arafangion: "first bit first" is circular reasoning because you haven't demonstrated why the high bit should be considered the first one |
| 14:40.46 | peterS | LSorensen: no, no, you get bits 0 to 7, then 8 to 15 |
| 14:40.56 | Arafangion | peterS: Well, why _shouldn't_ it be? |
| 14:41.04 | ricky_clarkson | !antgel |
| 14:41.16 | ricky_clarkson | !antgel is <reply>http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/tmp/antgel.txt |
| 14:41.16 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 14:41.20 | LSorensen | peterS: That's not how I understand little endian systems to do things |
| 14:41.28 | LSorensen | peterS: endianess is about byte order, not bit order |
| 14:41.29 | peterS | Arafangion: in LE, the first byte always means 0-255, the next byte always means 256-65280 |
| 14:41.34 | grigora | does anyone know why parted cannot resize an ext2 partition? thanks |
| 14:41.39 | peterS | Arafangion: in BE, the bytes change meaning depending on field width |
| 14:41.43 | xoz | logic design makes it easier to do the thing we humans find it awkward |
| 14:42.04 | PerfDave | blackout: What's funny? |
| 14:42.05 | stew | 65280? |
| 14:42.11 | peterS | stew: 255 * 256 |
| 14:42.20 | peterS | stew: I guess I meant 0 - 65280 |
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| 14:42.27 | Arafangion | peterS: Hmm, so it's an architectual thing. |
| 14:42.30 | peterS | since it's (0..255) * 256 |
| 14:42.37 | sciron | 65536 |
| 14:42.37 | ricky_clarkson | 0..65535 |
| 14:42.44 | sciron | eh, nvm, I can't read today |
| 14:42.44 | sciron | sheesh |
| 14:42.47 | ricky_clarkson | !256*256-1 |
| 14:42.48 | dpkg | 65535 |
| 14:42.50 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: no, the second byte can only represent 256*255, not 256*256-1 |
| 14:42.51 | blackout | PerfDave, i was looking for an iTunes substitute, and you gave me that. |
| 14:43.05 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: 0..255? |
| 14:43.09 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: you need to add the first byte in order to get to 65535 |
| 14:43.15 | stew | righto |
| 14:43.18 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: That's 256 values. |
| 14:43.34 | xoz | !2^16-1 |
| 14:43.34 | dpkg | 13 |
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| 14:43.36 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: yes, the second byte represents 0 to 65280, in steps of 256. |
| 14:43.37 | PerfDave | blackout: You asked for, and I quote, 'Anywhere we can get "all the latest tunes of today" from?' |
| 14:43.38 | stew | peterS: is correct (as usual) |
| 14:43.39 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: I'm completely context-free, sorry. |
| 14:43.42 | xoz | !2**16-1 |
| 14:43.42 | dpkg | 65535 |
| 14:43.44 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: I incorrectly said 256-65280 at first |
| 14:43.54 | blackout | PerfDave, ha, that i did. |
| 14:44.11 | ricky_clarkson | !64*64*64*64/256 |
| 14:44.12 | dpkg | 65536 |
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| 14:44.37 | peterS | anyway ... that's what I like about little-endian. the first byte *always* means "0 to 255, in steps of 1", the second byte *always* means "0 to 65280 in steps of 256", etc. |
| 14:44.50 | peterS | assuming there is a second byte, of course - if not, the endianness hardly matters (: |
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| 14:44.55 | ricky_clarkson | Wibble. |
| 14:45.15 | Arafangion | peterS: Now that I think about it, LE also makes sense. |
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| 14:45.27 | LSorensen | Arafangion: they both make sense depending on what you are doing. |
| 14:45.39 | peterS | Arafangion: it's really pretty arbitrary. the advantages of LE, and for that matter the advantages of BE, are mostly a matter of external compatibility with some existing system or data |
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| 14:46.02 | peterS | Arafangion: the only reason I prefer LE is that I like the logic of it. in practical terms it rarely makes anything easier or harder |
| 14:46.04 | LSorensen | Arafangion: when intel made the x86, it was simpler to be backwards compatible by using little endian, so they did. most designs that start from scratch seem to prefer big endian |
| 14:46.08 | nuit_22 | help-me please |
| 14:46.12 | nuit_22 | ?? |
| 14:46.39 | Arafangion | peterS: Well in a manner of speaking, BE could be could be considered to be in network order if you use 8-bit number systems. |
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| 14:47.19 | LSorensen | Arafangion: 8bit numbers aren't in any endianess since they are single bytes so byte order is irrlevant (does hte only byte come first or last?) |
| 14:47.21 | asuffield | both ways make sense. that's the problem. it's purely a matter of writing them down correctly |
| 14:47.24 | peterS | Arafangion: yes, network byte order is a synonym for big-endian. that BE is commonly used in binary network protocols is an artifact of Internet legacy - mainly, I suspect, that Sun workstations have always been BE |
| 14:47.32 | LSorensen | now middle endian doesn't make sense at all. |
| 14:47.48 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, seeing as the middle is not an end. |
| 14:48.01 | nuit_22 | can scp from servidor1 x servidor2 with pemitions username:groupname |
| 14:48.02 | peterS | now, middle earthian might make sense for some geeks |
| 14:48.03 | LSorensen | peterS: big endian makes sense on netowrks since you send all the bits in order biggest to smallest. hardware likes that |
| 14:48.12 | ricky_clarkson | Mediterranean byte-order? |
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| 14:48.32 | peterS | LSorensen: what do you mean, hardware likes that? that makes no sense. the hardware can't interpret the number properly until it all arrives anyway. |
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| 14:48.39 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: so you like the site then? |
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| 14:48.57 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Er.. |
| 14:49.10 | peterS | LSorensen: nobody but the NIC and modem vendors cares whether the *bits* are LE or BE |
| 14:49.14 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Did you actually read what I wrote? |
| 14:49.28 | LSorensen | peterS: having to send bits 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 is simple. sending 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 is more painful to implement. needs more logic |
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| 14:49.37 | xoz | logic design |
| 14:49.37 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: yeah. we like it. |
| 14:49.43 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Hehe. |
| 14:49.46 | peterS | LSorensen: the NIC takes care of bit order. the CPU takes care of byte order. no reason for the two to have anything to do with each other |
| 14:49.58 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: we wish we had 3rd-class degrees lol |
| 14:50.01 | asuffield | LSorensen: actually, it makes no difference at all |
| 14:50.07 | peterS | LSorensen: unless you're implementing a software modem, aka winmodem, and even then it's different parts of the stack (: |
| 14:50.19 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I have a Desmond 2:2. |
| 14:50.25 | asuffield | in hardware, bit ordering does not matter. it's only an issue in software |
| 14:50.35 | LSorensen | peterS: well maybe it is just because sun had to much say in network protocols then |
| 14:50.44 | abrotman | too |
| 14:50.46 | peterS | LSorensen: I suspect that's it. everyone had sun workstations when the internet was young. |
| 14:50.49 | ricky_clarkson | !que |
| 14:50.50 | dpkg | [que] the spanish word for "what?" Probably means you should join #debian-es |
| 14:50.57 | peterS | LSorensen: well, except that everyone also had VAXen, which are little-endian. |
| 14:51.03 | LSorensen | peterS: an no one cared what dec thought? |
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| 14:51.16 | peterS | right, so I don't know why Sun endian won out |
| 14:51.18 | abrotman | or ibm ? |
| 14:51.24 | LSorensen | peterS: and what about the people with the 36bit machines? |
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| 14:51.32 | FarrisG | Does anyone know of a reliable way to create a disk partition that spans multiple volumes on USB 2.0 drives? LVM is good if your disks stay in one spot, but I'll need to mount and umount daily |
| 14:51.34 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: for the record we have 2:1s and chris (my colleague) has a phd to boot. he even has social skills :) |
| 14:51.43 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: "Goes down the pub". |
| 14:51.45 | toresbe | The decsystem 10s were big in the early days |
| 14:51.50 | sciron | FarrisG> lvm2, evms, raid 0 |
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| 14:51.53 | peterS | LSorensen: hey, did you read RFC 4042? |
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| 14:51.58 | LSorensen | FarrisG: buy a bigger disk sounds simplest |
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| 14:52.01 | toresbe | The PDP-11s were plentiful and they have their own thing going |
| 14:52.05 | LSorensen | peterS: hmm, not that I recall. |
| 14:52.13 | abrotman | !antiquecomputersmite toresbe |
| 14:52.16 | FarrisG | LSorensen: Not an option for this particular project |
| 14:52.16 | toresbe | some odd endian system |
| 14:52.31 | toresbe | abrotman: It's there, you just have to wait for the DB lookup |
| 14:52.43 | abrotman | not funny |
| 14:52.43 | ma3x | how can i restore /etc/dhclient.conf? |
| 14:52.47 | LSorensen | FarrisG: well lvm uses unique disk IDs so it won't actually care if the disk order changes as long as they are all present |
| 14:52.57 | peterS | LSorensen: RFC 4042 rules - a unicode encoding for 36-bit machines. complete with a PDP-10 assembly language implementation |
| 14:53.11 | peterS | LSorensen: needless to say it was published on 1 April |
| 14:53.12 | LSorensen | peterS: scary. :) |
| 14:53.13 | buu | Is there any way I can use mod_vhost and a regular virtual host together? |
| 14:53.15 | toresbe | peterS: yeah, nice one |
| 14:53.16 | buu | As in, I've got a mod_vhost set up that I want everything except one specific subdomain to use. |
| 14:53.22 | ma3x | how do i reinstall /etc/dhclient.conf? |
| 14:53.30 | resiak | Is it possible to create a multiuser screen(1) to which any user has access? I can create one to which specific named users have access, but that's not helpful in this situation. |
| 14:53.31 | buu | Under apache at least. |
| 14:53.35 | FarrisG | LSorensen: That's the theory, but I've found in practice that those "unique" disk IDs change if you've got identical drives plugging and unplugging, so the volumes become extremely unstable |
| 14:53.42 | toresbe | peterS: Well, might be implemented on the Linux-for-PDP-10 project? :> |
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| 14:53.51 | LSorensen | FarrisG: no, pvcreate assigns the ID. |
| 14:53.54 | peterS | toresbe: I had no idea such a project existed |
| 14:54.08 | toresbe | pdp10.nocrew.org |
| 14:54.11 | toresbe | wasn't it? |
| 14:54.15 | peterS | toresbe: UTF-9 is a pretty funny concept, though. and the RFC is quite detailed - I was impressed |
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| 14:54.24 | LSorensen | FarrisG: yo run pvcreate on each disk and it assigns a UUID to each. that's what VG uses to find the right disks |
| 14:54.28 | simplexe | hi |
| 14:54.32 | buu | peterS: Hi! |
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| 14:54.40 | peterS | toresbe: so many 1 April RFCs are just silly jokes with little depth. this one had some depth to it |
| 14:54.41 | FarrisG | LSorensen: VG? |
| 14:54.45 | peterS | buuuuuuuu |
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| 14:54.52 | toresbe | peterS: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:oSSSqa1qdsEJ:pdp10.nocrew.org/linux/+PDP-10+linux&hl=no&client=firefox |
| 14:54.55 | toresbe | the site is down |
| 14:54.55 | LSorensen | FarrisG: at should actually work pretty well. PV = physical volume, vg = volume group, lv = logical volume. |
| 14:55.03 | FarrisG | LSorensen: Oh, yes |
| 14:55.11 | dogmeat | anyone know if libstdc++6 (the gnu standard c++ library v3), and libstdc++6-4.0-doc (doc files) are the same version? |
| 14:55.16 | peterS | toresbe: ph34r |
| 14:55.28 | CJYHZQN | hi,any chinese here? |
| 14:55.31 | LSorensen | FarrisG: you setup PVs and then create a large VG to contain them. then you partition the VG inot one or more LVs which you put a filesystem on |
| 14:55.32 | toresbe | peterS: It's fairly dead |
| 14:55.39 | simplexe | i'm on sarge 2.6.8 and i have no sound my card is Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02). |
| 14:55.43 | CJYHZQN | i had some quession about debian |
| 14:55.44 | peterS | dogmeat: 'apt-cache show libstdc++6 | grep Source' and same for the other. decide for yourself |
| 14:56.03 | ricky_clarkson | !chinese |
| 14:56.03 | dpkg | methinks chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese |
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| 14:56.14 | ma3x | peterS : where do i download copy of dhclient.conf? |
| 14:56.20 | sassytomato | simplexe, http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d98-jas/debian/debian-install-alsa.txt |
| 14:56.30 | LSorensen | FarrisG: the PV's UUIDs will never change (if you changed them, the VG would not work anymore) |
| 14:56.33 | peterS | ma3x: you don't, you create one, or it's already there because you installed dhcp3-client or whatever |
| 14:56.33 | CJYHZQN | thanks |
| 14:56.50 | LSorensen | FarrisG: so it doens't matter if they show up as sda or sdf or sdz for all it cares as long as you tell pvscan to search for /dev/sd* |
| 14:56.51 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Was it you who suggested bouncing rubbish off the walls? It works! |
| 14:56.59 | abrotman | CJYHZQN: if you can handle english .. you can ask here |
| 14:57.03 | FarrisG | LSorensen: I did precisely that, and each time I tried, the whole thing broke if I didn't plug/unplug the drives in precisely the correct order, because the system seemed to be basing the "unique" ID purely on model. So with 4 identical disks, no matter what you've labelled everything, the first disk you plug in will always be "A" to LVM |
| 14:57.05 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: uhm .. no |
| 14:57.07 | yoo | Hi all ! |
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| 14:57.23 | LSorensen | FarrisG: but you ran pvcreate on each one? |
| 14:57.28 | CJYHZQN | no chinese chennal |
| 14:57.29 | LSorensen | FarrisG: once and only once? |
| 14:57.30 | FarrisG | LSorensen: Yes I did |
| 14:57.31 | peterS | FarrisG: that should not happen. it should be scanning the UUIDs on the PV partitions |
| 14:57.41 | FarrisG | peterS: I agree, it shouldn't happen. :) |
| 14:57.59 | peterS | FarrisG: as one possible source of glitches - did you partition the disks into one big partition each? |
| 14:58.08 | abrotman | CJYHZQN: what do you want to know about debian ? |
| 14:58.10 | LSorensen | FarrisG: and of course you MUST stop lvm before unplugging any drives |
| 14:58.23 | sciron | heh |
| 14:58.23 | peterS | FarrisG: if you leave a disk *unpartitioned*, some software doesn't detect stuff right. I don't remember if vgscan is such software |
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| 14:58.29 | FarrisG | peterS: No, I didn't. |
| 14:58.35 | FarrisG | LSorensen: But, I did NOT know you must stop LVM |
| 14:58.36 | sciron | lvm2 doesn't care if the disk is even partitioned... |
| 14:58.41 | FarrisG | LSorensen: I'll give it another try |
| 14:58.57 | LSorensen | FarrisG: you can't start lvm until all the disks are conencted, and you can't remove the drives until lvm is stopped since it is using the drives. |
| 14:58.57 | peterS | sciron: once it's assembled, true. does vgscan remember to scan the whole disk though? |
| 14:59.02 | sciron | petemc> yep |
| 14:59.04 | sciron | dern it |
| 14:59.08 | sciron | peterS> yep |
| 14:59.08 | peterS | good to know |
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| 14:59.14 | sciron | peterS> consider evms though |
| 14:59.17 | sciron | more robust |
| 14:59.19 | LSorensen | FarrisG: consider lvm as a form of mounting. it finds and activates the lvm after which you can mount the LV |
| 14:59.24 | peterS | I still recommend that people create a partition table on every hard drive - it avoids problems with other tools |
| 14:59.33 | ouch | how do i configure the kernel so that i can compile? |
| 14:59.34 | LSorensen | peterS: vgscan is configurable. I tend to have it scan /dev/md* |
| 14:59.40 | FarrisG | I'll give it a shot |
| 14:59.44 | sciron | peterS> not only that, if you bork your MBR on an unpartitioned LVM2 drive, you're kinda screwed |
| 14:59.59 | FarrisG | So what exactly is evms? |
| 15:00.07 | peterS | LSorensen: right, which brings us to - how does mdadm behave when disks aren't partitioned? |
| 15:00.11 | sciron | FarrisG> think of it as the next level above lvm2... |
| 15:00.12 | abrotman | CJYHZQN: what do you want to know about debian ? |
| 15:00.21 | LSorensen | peterS: I don't know. I always use partitions with md |
| 15:00.21 | FieldySnuts | heh he said mount huh huh |
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| 15:00.55 | LSorensen | peterS: I find it simpler since then I can have a partition type indicate it should be used with md. |
| 15:01.01 | peterS | LSorensen: right. I seem to remember helping at least one person on this channel with problems detecting md volumes - once I had him reformat with real partition tables it all worked |
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| 15:01.11 | LSorensen | peterS: and loosing a bit of one track is irrelevant |
| 15:01.17 | avu | a/win 18 |
| 15:01.21 | avu | oops |
| 15:01.25 | ricky_clarkson | !lose avu |
| 15:01.26 | dpkg | avu: You Lose. |
| 15:01.34 | sciron | peterS> recovering lvm2 isn't too bad, partitioned or not |
| 15:01.42 | abrotman | ouch: don't /msg me |
| 15:01.55 | abrotman | ouch: don't /msg me |
| 15:01.56 | ouch | how do i configure the kernel so that i can compile |
| 15:01.58 | ouch | sry |
| 15:02.09 | ricky_clarkson | ouch: apt-get install kernel-image-whichever |
| 15:02.11 | FarrisG | If I'm using a stock debian kernel, would I need to patch it to use evms? |
| 15:02.16 | ricky_clarkson | !evms |
| 15:02.16 | dpkg | somebody said evms was Enterprise Volume Management System, http://evms.sf.net/ |
| 15:02.18 | abrotman | ouch: why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 15:02.23 | avu | peters: now you hilightet me back here ;) |
| 15:02.33 | LSorensen | FarrisG: not sure. I looked at evms before and found it much too confusing. lvm2 I can understand |
| 15:02.33 | ouch | i did that, it still tells me kernel not configured Stop. |
| 15:02.39 | peterS | FarrisG: I think current 2.6 kernels are fine as-is with evms. not sure if current 2.4 kernels are. |
| 15:02.46 | abrotman | ouch: why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 15:03.00 | ouch | i am trying to compile a program...not the kernel |
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| 15:03.12 | abrotman | !b-e ouch |
| 15:03.14 | dpkg | ouch: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 15:03.26 | ouch | already installed |
| 15:04.22 | FarrisG | Hmm... Maybe I should stick to LVM if I can get it working. I need to get this junk up and working today |
| 15:04.30 | ouch | stil get makefile:35: ***the kernel source is not configured. Stop. |
| 15:04.31 | greg_work | my ISP is routing 192.168.1.1 .. (my internal network is 10.x.x.x) how do I get iptables to drop that? -A INPUT -d 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j DROP doesn't seem to work |
| 15:04.36 | abrotman | ouch: than what's the error you get when you compile ? |
| 15:04.46 | abrotman | greg_work: #iptables |
| 15:04.52 | ouch | stil get makefile:35: ***the kernel source is not configured. Stop. |
| 15:04.57 | ouch | thats the error |
| 15:05.00 | hilacha | hi.. plz.. about squid.. i have "acl usuarios_full proxy_auth "/etc/squid/acl_usuarios_full" and http_access allow usuarios_full. I autenticate with a right user, but i get: ' The request GET http://housecall-p.activeupdate.trendmicro.com:80/activeupdate/server.ini is DENIED, because it matched 'usuarios_full'!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:05.05 | abrotman | what kernel source? ... what the hell are you compiling ? |
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| 15:05.16 | abrotman | hilacha: what you say!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:05.17 | peterS | FarrisG: evms is supposed to handle *all* aspects of partitions and lvm and stuff, all at once. it's a big overarching system. I haven't bothered with it because I understand lvm and linux raid and stuff just fine. so I don't know if evms is better or not |
| 15:05.21 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Maybe it's nvidia drivers or something. |
| 15:05.34 | hilacha | abrotman, squid... do u can help me? |
| 15:05.40 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:05.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 15:05.43 | sml | ricky_clarkson: do you know of any good online job websites for NON-IT roles ? (in the Uk, hence me asking you :) ) |
| 15:05.47 | ouch | i am trying to compile the new orinoco drivers...i am in sarge 2.4.27 |
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| 15:06.00 | petemc | sml: tesco.co.uk/jobs ;) |
| 15:06.04 | sml | ricky_clarkson: My mate wants to find a job in agricultural engineering. |
| 15:06.06 | useruser_ | sml: what kind of jobs? |
| 15:06.06 | abrotman | orinoco drivers come with the kernel .. maybe you sohuld try a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 15:06.11 | useruser_ | sml: ah |
| 15:06.11 | peterS | ouch: you want to use module-assistant if possible |
| 15:06.12 | sml | petemc: cool :) ta. |
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| 15:06.22 | petemc | sml: that was a joke :) tesco are a supermarket chain |
| 15:06.34 | useruser_ | sml: the guardian has some good job adverts i think |
| 15:06.37 | abrotman | hilacha: and no .. i don't use squid |
| 15:06.53 | FarrisG | peteS and LSorensen: THanks a lot for the help! Folks like you are the reason I still hang out here |
| 15:06.56 | ouch | peterS: how do i get the module-assistant? I don't have it and it is not a apt-get package |
| 15:06.56 | peterS | sml: are you related to xml? |
| 15:07.01 | useruser_ | sml: jobs.guardian.co.uk |
| 15:07.05 | ricky_clarkson | sml: I used to. Now I'm an ex-tractor fan. |
| 15:07.11 | hilacha | :( |
| 15:07.14 | PerfDave | ouch: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 15:07.20 | abrotman | !tell ouch about m-a |
| 15:07.26 | ouch | the orinoco drivers that came with the kernel do not support monitor mode |
| 15:07.27 | peterS | ouch: it certainly is a package |
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| 15:07.43 | ouch | ill try it again...last night i got package not found |
| 15:08.19 | peterS | make sure it's spelled correctly. easy to misspell 'assistant' |
| 15:08.28 | ouch | k |
| 15:08.35 | abrotman | ouch: why not try a 2.6 kernel ? .. the drivers might be newer |
| 15:08.35 | ricky_clarkson | asisstent |
| 15:08.58 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: know where I can find a jobs site for an administrative asisstent? |
| 15:09.06 | sml | peterS: xml ? the markup langauge ? |
| 15:09.16 | peterS | sml: yeah. you two have the same last name, I figured you might be related |
| 15:09.18 | abrotman | hilacha: maybe try #squid ? |
| 15:09.26 | ricky_clarkson | peterS: josb.ac.uk |
| 15:09.27 | sml | peterS: That's my evil twin brother. |
| 15:09.29 | ouch | i will try 2.6 as soon as I get back on the road...i only have dial-uip at the house... |
| 15:09.37 | ouch | it sucks |
| 15:09.39 | hilacha | i'm there, but just 20 ghosts there |
| 15:09.44 | ouch | bad! |
| 15:09.47 | peterS | sml: slap him one for me, would ya? he causes pain everywhere |
| 15:09.48 | ricky_clarkson | hilacha: scary. |
| 15:10.04 | sml | peterS: by the way I thought the tesco thing may be genuine after all they do credit cards and motor insurance ! ;) |
| 15:10.19 | peterS | heh. I have no idea, I'm not in the UK |
| 15:10.23 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 15:10.27 | sml | peterS: Not as much pain as my evil cousin edi. |
| 15:10.31 | Eclipser | is there a simple way to test if my irda works properly? |
| 15:10.37 | useruser_ | peterS: www.secrecruit.co.uk |
| 15:10.39 | sml | peterS: If you worked with EDI you'd be thankful of using XML! ;) |
| 15:10.43 | abrotman | hilacha: patience |
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| 15:10.53 | basix | hi people. my isp uses cyberoam employee management system to distribute bandwidth and put a lot of restrictions. This "cyberoam" has terrible linux support. Their client doesnt work with the server that my isp is now using. The client that i was using is called linc-daemon (http://sourceforge.net/projects/linc/). It worked with older versions of the cyberoam server. These guys don't have any plans to continue linux client support. I asked my ISP and they |
| 15:10.56 | peterS | sml: I'll be happy to take your word for that one |
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| 15:11.35 | quiet | is there a debian handbook/manual that can be printed?? Like the Slackware essentials book.. or the FreeBSD handbook |
| 15:11.40 | PerfDave | basix: Get a better ISP? BTW, your line terminated at 255 chars, after " I asked my ISP and they" |
| 15:11.42 | abrotman | !manual |
| 15:11.47 | PerfDave | quiet: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 15:11.49 | abrotman | quiet: check the debian website |
| 15:12.06 | quiet | thanks guys |
| 15:12.20 | basix | PerfDave: ... and they aren't very cooperative about Linux support. I cant change my ISP. It's either them or back to dial-up :( Any help would be appreciated |
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| 15:12.38 | peterS | PerfDave: probably closer to 512 chars - minus overhead, you know |
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| 15:13.30 | xsdg | peterS: it's 512, minus 2 (\r\n), minus nick length, iirc |
| 15:13.33 | qpee | is there a way to have 2 harddrives but leave one unmounted (thus unused, so i save power) and only boot it up when i'm in linux for data backups? |
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| 15:13.44 | qpee | like one running and one is waiting ... |
| 15:14.02 | snail | basix: do you actually roam, or is this a sttai install? |
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| 15:14.09 | xsdg | qpee: "only boot it up when I'm in linux": so this is a windows question? (if so, no idea) |
| 15:14.15 | PerfDave | basix: I've never heard of this cyberoam thing. You could hassle whoever writes it for a Linux client. |
| 15:14.27 | peterS | qpee: can be done with hdparm -y, but you'd have to know how to script this |
| 15:14.34 | Xik0 | is there any repository where i can find w32codecs and mplayer? |
| 15:14.37 | snail | basix: do you actually roam, or is this a static install? |
| 15:14.43 | quiet | Xik0, marillat |
| 15:14.47 | xsdg | ~marillat |
| 15:14.54 | quiet | Xik0, google 'debian marilalt' |
| 15:14.57 | quiet | marillat* |
| 15:15.00 | Xik0 | ok, thks :) |
| 15:15.04 | boycer | !marillat |
| 15:15.04 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 15:15.04 | xsdg | apt: ping |
| 15:15.05 | apt | pong |
| 15:15.08 | SimonRaven | xsdg: hi :) |
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| 15:15.22 | xsdg | SimonRaven: hey |
| 15:15.23 | SimonRaven | w00t, the address is still good :) |
| 15:15.31 | xsdg | SimonRaven: didn't recognize you with the extra vowels :o) |
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| 15:15.45 | SimonRaven | hehe. i grew some vowels =) |
| 15:15.54 | basix | PerfDave: have a look www.cyberoam.com |
| 15:15.58 | peterS | he grew a couple of capital letters too |
| 15:16.07 | basix | snail: have a look at that link (www.cyberoam.com) |
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| 15:16.14 | peterS | I approve of the capital S in particular, that one has always worked out well for me |
| 15:16.15 | qpee | xsdg: well no, i'm on linux and want to have my usual debian system as i have it now on a certain hdd. but i would like to mount (?) a second hdd for backup-usage. the ting is i would not like it to be to be on all the time for power-saving issues |
| 15:16.20 | TNKS | hi all. I'm getting tired of all the little daemons that pop up that I don't need. Where's the script I need to change to prevent xscreensaver from loading with every X session? |
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| 15:16.30 | qpee | peterS: how do you mean "skript it"? i'll check the man, sec |
| 15:16.36 | SimonRaven | oh, gotta fix my highlight =) |
| 15:16.48 | qpee | hdparm |
| 15:16.50 | peterS | qpee: you will have to write scripts to do 'hdparm -y' at appropriate times |
| 15:16.51 | xsdg | qpee: oh; well, your BIOS should take care of that |
| 15:16.53 | Ungy | listing for ip is in /etc/network/interfaces usually right? |
| 15:16.58 | ouch | got module-assistant, ready to compile...Thanks!! |
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| 15:17.13 | xsdg | qpee: (the drive should automatically spin down after a certain amount of non-usage |
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| 15:17.49 | basix | brb guys |
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| 15:17.53 | qpee | peterS: well ok, i'll handle that. thanks, i just will read the man and reask if i get problems i can't solve. thx; xsdg: ohh, ok. i'll check my bios settings as well |
| 15:18.11 | snail | basix: I would be tempted either to hassle them about a linux client or recycle an old windows box as a gateway/router/whatever to bridge between your debian box and this crap |
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| 15:18.56 | xabier98 | hi how can i open ports for azuresu |
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| 15:20.08 | drac | !confuse xabier98 |
| 15:20.10 | dpkg | No, how was your snake tomorrow, xabier98? wellies of the monarchy of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
| 15:20.46 | qpee | peterS: after a hdparm -y, how could i "wake it up" again? |
| 15:20.54 | peterS | qpee: use it |
| 15:21.00 | peterS | qpee: better yet, RTFM |
| 15:21.11 | Ungy | could I bother someone to look at my interfaces file and tell me if they see why only my initial interface and not any of my aliases are working? http://pastebin.com/324689 |
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| 15:22.03 | M0ffe | Ungy: You miss "auto eth0:1" etc. |
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| 15:22.19 | ma3x | hi, i deleted /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 15:22.19 | Ungy | ahh thanks |
| 15:22.20 | L6C6F6R | eej |
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| 15:22.22 | ma3x | how do i restore it? |
| 15:22.45 | L6C6F6R | dhclient.save dhclient.org like dhclient.rpmsave maybe... |
| 15:23.33 | ma3x | thereis no dhclient.save |
| 15:23.36 | sciron | oot. 2 bug reports submitted, so long, and thanks for all the fish |
| 15:23.37 | ma3x | where do you find that? |
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| 15:24.18 | calljair | users |
| 15:24.24 | L6C6F6R | if you install/update it would make a copy in the same directory (folder for you windows users) |
| 15:24.25 | calljair | how are you all doing today? |
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| 15:24.34 | SimonRaven | ma3x: probably in /var/lib/dhclient* |
| 15:24.37 | calljair | anyone here use bitchx? |
| 15:24.43 | drac | calljair: taking a poll? |
| 15:24.49 | L6C6F6R | calljair: yes |
| 15:24.55 | SimonRaven | no |
| 15:25.05 | calljair | drac what do you mean? |
| 15:25.06 | SimonRaven | #polls is >> that way |
| 15:25.11 | L6C6F6R | Drac: +1 funny |
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| 15:25.27 | ma3x | SimonRaven ther's only dhclient.leases dhcpd.leases dhcpd.leases~ |
| 15:25.29 | calljair | hmm did not understand very well english jokes... |
| 15:25.38 | ma3x | i tried to reinstall dhcp3-client but that didn't return the dhclient.conf file |
| 15:25.43 | peterS | calljair: "does anyone use some software" is off-topic |
| 15:25.56 | peterS | calljair: if you want to discuss IRC client software, #debian isn't the place |
| 15:25.59 | calljair | ohh ok perfect sorry |
| 15:26.04 | calljair | I got it |
| 15:26.09 | SimonRaven | ma3x: hmm, check man dhclient and dhclient3 |
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| 15:26.11 | calljair | thanks |
| 15:26.32 | calljair | peterS how have you been? |
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| 15:26.59 | calljair | peterS you help me last time with couple of things don't remember what but i know you did. :) |
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| 15:27.17 | peterS | calljair: possible - I help a lot of people, don't remember your nick |
| 15:28.08 | abrotman | peterS: he's normally jair |
| 15:28.24 | abrotman | i think anyways |
| 15:28.41 | SimonRaven | trying to get someone to call you? |
| 15:28.50 | calljair | peterS probably because I was as "jair" |
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| 15:29.05 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 15:29.09 | abrotman | oh crap .. DSA for gopher .. /me runs to install! |
| 15:29.12 | peterS | that sounds a bit more familiar but I honestly have no idea what I might have helped you with |
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| 15:29.27 | abrotman | peterS: lots and lots :) |
| 15:29.44 | peterS | abrotman: heh, reported by cosmicray. who just might be the last gopher user. |
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| 15:30.03 | peterS | abrotman: his love of that protocol is well-known, because it is so rare |
| 15:30.15 | peterS | abrotman: actually I lie, I know exactly one other gopher fan |
| 15:30.17 | abrotman | peterS: i used it in college .. over 10 years ago :) |
| 15:30.25 | SimonRaven | gopher is neat protocol though |
| 15:30.33 | abrotman | peterS: it actually was a nice setup .. but not much there .. even 10 years ago |
| 15:30.35 | qpee | peterS: now i read it and am not knowing more about how to reactivate the hdd using that tool |
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| 15:30.40 | abrotman | UMinn had a great gopher server |
| 15:30.40 | bonez39 | I am installing debian on a new hard drive...should I use xfree86 or go for X.org? |
| 15:30.49 | abrotman | bonez39: which version of debian ? |
| 15:30.52 | peterS | abrotman: they should have, they invented the system |
| 15:30.56 | SimonRaven | does need a bit of tweaking, but the basics are there to make it really nice |
| 15:30.58 | antgel | crontab question - is it normal to put cronjobs in a user crontab rather than /etc/crontab? i'm guessing that /etc/crontab could get overwritten by an upgrade. |
| 15:31.04 | abrotman | peterS: this was 10 years ago .. dunno if it even exists anymore |
| 15:31.17 | peterS | antgel: both work. /etc/crontab is only accessible to the root user |
| 15:31.21 | tdonahue | can anyone swing the cluebat my way and point me toward the server that has the package snapshots? |
| 15:31.21 | ma3x | i can't the fuk restore dhclient.conf |
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| 15:31.34 | ma3x | the stupid dhcp3-client won't restore it on reinstall |
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| 15:31.40 | bobbyd | hi |
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| 15:31.43 | SimonRaven | ma3x: unpack a .deb, and get oit from there. this is where you learn about backups |
| 15:31.47 | SimonRaven | it* |
| 15:31.49 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 15:31.59 | ma3x | okay SimonRaven |
| 15:32.03 | bobbyd | is there some standard way to select which installed version of gcc to use? or do I just update the symlinks by hand? |
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| 15:32.34 | SimonRaven | i wouldn't edit the symlinks unless you know what you're doing, as you can fuck things up |
| 15:32.49 | bonez39 | abrotman: I have installed 3.1.... Sarge... |
| 15:32.51 | FarrisG | Another LVM question: Can you change a volume group name without screwing up your logical volumes in it? |
| 15:32.52 | SimonRaven | but do it carefully, and it's certainly possible |
| 15:33.01 | qpee | peterS: am i able to reactivate the hdd using the same tool (hdparm)? |
| 15:33.07 | peterS | qpee: maybe |
| 15:33.20 | bonez39 | abrotman: I did the net install, from floppy then over to network download to install the rest |
| 15:33.26 | bobbyd | SimonRaven, I just want to use gcc3.4, should I just remove the other versions? |
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| 15:33.47 | Eclipser | nngh |
| 15:33.53 | Eclipser | setting up irda is a pain in the ass :< |
| 15:34.28 | peterS | abrotman: hmm, I could have sworn the guy who reported the gopher security hole (I was gonna say "gopher hole" but that'd be kind of a pun) had a gopher.complete.org, but that name doesn't resolve, so I could be wrong |
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| 15:34.36 | SimonRaven | bobbyd: well, problem is that if you compile things with 3.4, you're going to run into problems. and gcc 4.x.x is stricter about code than 3.x ever was, so you might need patches to make it work if it's not building properly. |
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| 15:35.30 | peterS | abrotman: ahh, quux.org is a gopher server. that must be what I was thinking of |
| 15:35.36 | tdonahue | anyone have any thoughts where I can find the old 2.6.10 kernel image package as well as the kernel source package? |
| 15:35.44 | SimonRaven | peterS: yup |
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| 15:36.06 | bobbyd | SimonRaven, I specifically need 3.4 |
| 15:36.07 | antgel | !old packages |
| 15:36.07 | dpkg | it has been said that old packages is look in /var/cache/apt/archives/, or try snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:36.11 | qpee | peterS: it's not possible. |
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| 15:36.38 | SimonRaven | bobbyd: ok. so if you need it, go ahead. i get the feeling you do know |
| 15:36.49 | peterS | bobbyd: other things might require gcc-4.0 to stay on the system, but there's no reason you can't use gcc-3.4 for whatever you need it for |
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| 15:37.08 | peterS | bobbyd: if you want the default gcc on your system to be gcc-3.4, do this: ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/local/bin/gcc |
| 15:37.10 | bobbyd | peterS, ok I'll just leave them both |
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| 15:37.15 | peterS | bobbyd: (likewise for g++, etc) |
| 15:37.35 | bobbyd | peterS, that's what I was asking :) whether there was some program to do that automatically or if I should just do it myself |
| 15:37.45 | peterS | bobbyd: a symlink in /usr/local/bin is by far the simplest way |
| 15:37.54 | bobbyd | peterS, ahh ok, I'll do that |
| 15:38.00 | peterS | bobbyd: you can mess with dpkg-divert but that's more trouble than it's worth for this sort of thing |
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| 15:38.22 | bobbyd | peterS, ok thanks |
| 15:38.45 | peterS | bobbyd: if you build official debian packages, expect people to whine about how you used gcc-3.4 instead of gcc-4.0. other than that, I don't foresee you having any problems. |
| 15:38.46 | sml | someone was talking about GCC (good chinese cooking , within the context of the usenet group's conversation) and some geek said the best place to get gcc is from ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/sources.redhat.com/pub/gcc/, lol. its geeky friday, it wasn't even a computer related newsgroup. |
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| 15:39.45 | sml | I remember when redhat released a broken gcc compiler with version 7 |
| 15:39.58 | peterS | sml: yeah, that was a mess |
| 15:40.02 | peterS | sml: "gcc 2.96" |
| 15:40.04 | sml | surely gnu.org would be a better place ;) I might follow up |
| 15:40.26 | peterS | sml: no, the best place to get gcc is Debian's huge mirror network. any mirror of ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc/ |
| 15:40.30 | sml | peterS: That's the last time I used DeadRat. I had to use kgcc, do you know what kgcc(is/was) ? |
| 15:40.32 | peterS | sml: or rather, ..../gcc-4.0/ |
| 15:40.34 | bobbyd | the new optimization architecture in 4.x looks like it has a lot of potential |
| 15:40.58 | peterS | sml: yep. gcc 2.91.66, mainly for compiling kernels, but also a lot less broken than gcc 2.96 in the early days of RH7 |
| 15:41.09 | sml | bobbyd: I'll take your word for it, I'm ignorant of compiler optimisation code. I know the flags though ;) |
| 15:41.15 | cddesjar | lol, linspires K menu icon says "Launch |
| 15:41.18 | sml | peterS: Exactly :) |
| 15:41.38 | peterS | bobbyd: afaict it's already compiling to smaller binaries than gcc 3.3 did. this makes a noticeable difference in size of new packages in unstable |
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| 15:41.54 | florin299 | hi |
| 15:42.00 | peterS | sml: apparently by the time RH 7.3 rolled around, the RH gcc 2.96 was sufficiently patched to be usable again |
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| 15:42.15 | peterS | sml: but I didn't use RH at that time (or any other time), so this is secondhand information |
| 15:42.23 | X2 | hi |
| 15:42.42 | bobbyd | peterS, yeah, it looks to have a lot more ability in optimizing tings for SIMD istruction sets as it takes a higher level view than the previous system |
| 15:42.46 | theb0y | hello, when I start my ram disk, it says: EXT3-fs: Magic mismatch, very weird and also: Kernel panic: not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (1,0) wtf is that? |
| 15:42.52 | salvia | !dpkg downgrade |
| 15:42.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 15:42.55 | peterS | bobbyd: oh, I've heard nothing but good things about it |
| 15:43.30 | PissedTrixBunny | I'm trying to edit a config file with a script, so I used this line in the script: "sudo echo "New Text" >> /etc/apache2/someconfigfile" and that didn't work because it says I don't have permission..... I did put sudo.... how do I make it work correctly? |
| 15:43.42 | X2 | how can i have the mouse under X and text mode, when switching? if i stop gpm works in X else works in text |
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| 15:44.23 | peterS | X2: what kernel version? what type of mouse? |
| 15:44.33 | peterS | X2: answer me these questions three and I can make it work (: |
| 15:44.36 | X2 | imps2, kernel 2.4 |
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| 15:45.21 | X2 | device=/dev/psaux repeat_type=ms3 |
| 15:45.21 | X2 | type=imps2 |
| 15:45.30 | sml | peterS: Well I started on Slackware, but spent half my time fixing broken shit, it was like Gentoo but only without portage, and then i moved onto redhat, and then debian. I've been using debian since slink, and havent' used any other linux since (apart from one toy workstation that runs gentoo) |
| 15:45.31 | peterS | X2: so far so good |
| 15:45.36 | X2 | (gpm.conf) |
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| 15:45.49 | peterS | X2: in XF86Config-4, use mouse protocol "Intellimouse" and device "/dev/gpmdata" |
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| 15:45.54 | X2 | Section "InputDevice" |
| 15:45.54 | X2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.54 | X2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.54 | X2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.54 | X2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:46.00 | justnulling2 | i am trying to install sarge remotly with pxe, what kernel image should i use? |
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| 15:46.13 | PissedTrixBunny | I'm trying to edit a config file with a script, so I used this line in the script: "sudo echo "New Text" >> /etc/apache2/someconfigfile" and that didn't work because it says I don't have permission..... I did put sudo.... how do I make it work correctly? I have used sudo in script before and it works.... but do you think it's because sudo doesn't work with "echo" command? |
| 15:46.33 | PissedTrixBunny | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.40 | JohnnyST | PissedTrixBunny: Type su |
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| 15:46.49 | peterS | X2: ok, don't paste here. change Device to "/dev/gpmdata" and Protocol to "Intellimouse" |
| 15:46.50 | X2 | sorry for flood :( |
| 15:46.54 | cddesjar | X2 don't paste |
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| 15:46.58 | cddesjar | bad bad |
| 15:47.04 | cddesjar | !punch X2 |
| 15:47.17 | peterS | X2: then restart X and all should be happy |
| 15:47.18 | X2 | ok, i learned my lesson |
| 15:47.20 | PissedTrixBunny | JohnnyST, dude, su would be super user.... I'm using it in a script... I only want certain commands to be used as root |
| 15:47.36 | bonez39 | abrotman: suggestions? on X.org versus xfree86 |
| 15:48.20 | cddesjar | x.org is only available in sid right now correct? |
| 15:48.22 | peterS | PissedTrixBunny: you can use su -c 'your command here' |
| 15:48.23 | edison | Help i installed debian and i get msg : "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03" ? |
| 15:48.30 | drac | cddesjar: correct |
| 15:48.33 | peterS | cddesjar: sid and ubuntu and most other linux distributions, yes |
| 15:48.50 | cddesjar | well yes i knew about ubuntu and other distros |
| 15:48.54 | PissedTrixBunny | peterS, with su -c 'command' that would make my user enter password everytime? |
| 15:48.56 | JohnnyST | PissedTrixBunny: Well change the premissions on /etc/apache2/someconfigfile then. |
| 15:49.01 | cddesjar | it's been in slackware since 10.0 right? at least 10.1 |
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| 15:49.06 | cddesjar | so that's last year |
| 15:49.09 | peterS | PissedTrixBunny: yes |
| 15:49.27 | PissedTrixBunny | JohnnyST, dude, why the hell would I want to change permission for apache config file? |
| 15:49.37 | PissedTrixBunny | peterS, sudo doesn't work? |
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| 15:49.44 | peterS | PissedTrixBunny: you tell me |
| 15:50.17 | PissedTrixBunny | sudo works with some command... but when I use it with echo.... it wouldn't work in script |
| 15:50.45 | Eclipser | should siemens S55 work with irda in linux? |
| 15:50.57 | tdonahue | PissedTrixBunny, sudo does not change your uid, so it will not work with redirection to files that the executing user can't access |
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| 15:51.08 | Eclipser | I got irda working at least (irdadump says something :p) but it doesn't find my phone |
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| 15:51.50 | cddesjar | how does one switch from xfree86 to xorg? simply by installing xorg and then is there a prompt that asks if you wish to use xorg as default? or has xorg made xfree86 obsolete? |
| 15:51.54 | tarvok | Anybody know how to get an ISA Soundblaster 64 working under Sarge? |
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| 15:52.46 | peterS | tarvok: kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 15:52.46 | tdonahue | cddesjar, Xorg replaces xfree86, if you look in aptitude the xfree86-server conflicts with the xorg-server |
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| 15:52.54 | Buc | hi all my system time is wrong and /etc/init.d/ntpdate start does not set it properly. how do i set the correct date? |
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| 15:53.16 | stew | cddesjar: xorg replaces xfree |
| 15:53.25 | peterS | tdonahue: they don't conflict, you can have both installed at once |
| 15:53.26 | X2 | thanks, worked :) dont know why it didn't from begining this way.. |
| 15:53.28 | tarvok | peterS: 2.4 |
| 15:53.29 | cddesjar | so does installing xorg remove xfree? |
| 15:53.29 | antgel | Buc: man date. check your timezone. finally consider installing ntp-simple. ntpdate only runs on boot afaik. |
| 15:53.47 | cddesjar | i think i'll wait till it's in testing |
| 15:54.12 | peterS | tarvok: I think it's a simple matter of using kernel module "sb" |
| 15:54.26 | justnulling2 | where can i get kernel image for pxe boot? |
| 15:54.57 | tarvok | peterS: How do I do that? |
| 15:55.08 | peterS | tarvok: try 'modprobe sb' |
| 15:55.22 | peterS | tarvok: you might also want 'modprobe awe_wave' to get wavetable support |
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| 15:55.26 | X2 | while i was running apt-get dist-upgrade i closed the terminal... what to do now ? |
| 15:55.40 | peterS | tarvok: if those work - then just add "sb" and "awe_wave" to /etc/modules, so it will happen next time you boot |
| 15:55.45 | Buc | antgel i just installed ntp-simple. how do i fix timezone ? |
| 15:55.48 | peterS | X2: just run it again |
| 15:55.52 | abrotman | bonez39: which vrsion of debian? |
| 15:56.06 | peterS | X2: if it is in an inconsistent state, you may need "apt-get -f install" first |
| 15:56.11 | antgel | !timezone |
| 15:56.11 | dpkg | well, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 15:56.36 | peterS | tarvok: you can also do 'dmesg | tail' to see if the modules you load registered in any interesting way with the kernel |
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| 15:57.09 | drac | tarvok: If methods mentioned before doesn't work, try: "apt-get install isapnptools alsa-base", "pnpdump -c > /etc/isapnp.conf", "isapnp", "alsaconf" (Don't ask :)) |
| 15:57.14 | edison | Help i installed debian and i get msg : "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03", I don't know if is my lilo.conf config ? |
| 15:57.24 | X2 | PeterS: seems like it was finnished meantime (i know it was setting configs, pcmcia last time) but.. how do i check for consistency.. apt-get dist-upgrade says OK |
| 15:57.37 | Buc | antgel my time is is US/Central and it still says Fri 29 23:59 which is not right |
| 15:57.38 | peterS | X2: then it's OK |
| 15:57.51 | tarvok | peterS: modprobe sb returned nothing; modprobe awe_wave returned "no such device". I'll try dmesg | tail now. |
| 15:57.57 | peterS | Buc: does ntpdate work fine if run manually? "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" |
| 15:57.58 | sml | edison: are you using an initrd ? |
| 15:58.07 | edison | sml, no |
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| 15:58.18 | antgel | buc: set it manually with man date. then ntpd should keep it in check |
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| 15:58.43 | sml | edison: is your root=/dev/blah correct in your lilo ? |
| 15:58.56 | Buc | peterS that did the trick |
| 15:58.59 | edison | sml, yes |
| 15:59.08 | shingouz | edison: custom kernel? |
| 15:59.08 | edison | /dev/hda3 |
| 15:59.15 | edison | no |
| 15:59.15 | Buc | peterS why did i have to do it manually? will it stick this time? |
| 15:59.19 | peterS | Buc: then check /etc/default/ntpdate to make sure it has NTPSERVERS="pool.ntp.org" or similar |
| 15:59.31 | jtza8 | I know that this varies from distro to distro so is ~/.bash_profile the right place to set my PS1 environment variable? |
| 15:59.31 | shingouz | edison: ok... what kernel did you install there? |
| 15:59.31 | tarvok | peterS: dmesg return looked good, except for the "SB16: Bad or missing 16 bit DMA channel" |
| 15:59.42 | sml | edison: what file system is your root partition ? |
| 15:59.44 | antgel | buc: man ntp.conf- ntp is very complicated but hopefully once working will need no tweaking. most importantly, ntp won't alter your clock if it's out over a threshold set in the config. |
| 15:59.49 | Buc | peterS yea it has that in there already |
| 15:59.55 | edison | sml, ext2 |
| 15:59.59 | antgel | peterS: i told him to use ntp-simple, not ntpdate |
| 15:59.59 | peterS | tarvok: I have no idea if that's important or not. the last SB I used was an sb16, long ago |
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| 16:00.09 | sml | edison: It's a kernel-image ? |
| 16:00.15 | peterS | antgel: yeah, and ntp-simple won't do much good if your clock is off by 11 hours |
| 16:00.22 | antgel | indeed :) |
| 16:00.25 | peterS | like his is |
| 16:00.27 | peterS | or was |
| 16:00.41 | peterS | tarvok: now test to see if you've got sound |
| 16:00.47 | edison | sml, ide-pci-2.2.4 |
| 16:00.58 | bonez39 | abrotman: debian 3.1..... runs on my new hard drive....on this now it is 3.0 |
| 16:01.02 | tarvok | peterS: YES! |
| 16:01.06 | abrotman | bonez39: sarge has xfree ... |
| 16:01.16 | shingouz | edison: wow. and you installed woody? |
| 16:01.17 | peterS | tarvok: ok so add a line "sb" to /etc/modules so it will load next time you boot |
| 16:01.22 | sml | edison: ok good so you do have ide support in your kernel ? |
| 16:01.29 | Buc | thanks all |
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| 16:01.31 | tarvok | peterS: That's a heck of a lot easier than the kernal recompile Jimmy was suggesting the other day. :) |
| 16:01.33 | edison | sml, yes |
| 16:01.34 | sml | edison: and your root filesystem is on what kind of drive ? |
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| 16:01.41 | SimonRaven | ntpdate to set it right, then ntp-simple to fine tune it |
| 16:01.41 | peterS | tarvok: don't know about awe_wave, it's for SoundBlaster AWE32 - thought the sb64 might have the same chip but maybe not |
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| 16:01.43 | edison | sml, /dev/hda3 |
| 16:01.48 | peterS | tarvok: hehe |
| 16:01.57 | shingouz | edison: not that. what kind of hardware you run there? |
| 16:01.58 | sml | edison: well fucked if I know then. Sorry. |
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| 16:02.16 | edison | sml, if i boot from floppy with option "rescue root=/dev/hda3" it can boot |
| 16:02.17 | tarvok | peterS: It's playing my mp3s fine, so probably it's not important. What would fail to work if it does matter? |
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| 16:02.21 | bonez39 | abrotman: ok....have you use X.org too? just curious, cause when sarge set up on my new hdd....it has max 800x600 resolution running, yet on 3.0 on this same machine, but older drive....I have 1280x1024 at least....I guess Need to run through xf86config to set that up? or is there an easier way? |
| 16:02.32 | abrotman | bonez39: what kind of card ? |
| 16:02.46 | sml | edison: seems you've missing something in your kernel that allows it to read your root filesystem |
| 16:02.51 | peterS | tarvok: well, it's for wave-table synthesizer support. like custom MIDI voices. most people don't play MIDI files much if at all, so it's not terribly important, but it *is* something you paid big bucks for back in the day |
| 16:03.06 | shingouz | edison: what hardware you have there. i need to know inorder to figure out what is wrong |
| 16:03.08 | edison | sml, if i try another kernel it happen the same thing |
| 16:03.22 | EvanCarroll | vim qusetion: Does anyone know how to make vim wrap lines and maintain the indention in the wrapping, so if i indent 5 times, and type 1000 characters without a newline, each of those lines will apear to be indented 5times |
| 16:03.23 | sml | edison: If you're SURE you have root=/dev/hda3, in your lilo.conf and it works ok from a boot floppy... then you're missing something you need to mount the rootfilesystem. |
| 16:03.28 | edison | shingouz, that an laptop ide 4gb |
| 16:03.36 | sml | edison: have you run "lilo" command ? |
| 16:03.43 | SimonRaven | i need to find a decent sound card. this PAS16 is a headache |
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| 16:03.47 | tarvok | peterS: Heh, I bought this thing for a few bucks for compatability with some of my old DOS games. I preferred the way the SB16 played music, anyway (never liked the midi later sound cards provided) |
| 16:03.47 | edison | sml, yes |
| 16:04.01 | peterS | SimonRaven: heh, do you use the SCSI interface on that PAS16 too? (: |
| 16:04.08 | abrotman | SimonRaven: jump into the 90s ... get PCI :) |
| 16:04.23 | tarvok | ...now if only I had a computer powerful enough to run dosbox... |
| 16:04.24 | shingouz | edison: and what laptop is that then. information man, information... something odd is going on with the hardware now |
| 16:04.25 | peterS | SimonRaven: originally intended for CD-ROM drives back before IDE CDROM drives were available ... but it *is* a SCSI interface, you could plug anything into it |
| 16:04.29 | sml | edison: well the only thing I can think of if you have ext2 support compiled into your kernel is that you're missing some kinda IDE support necessary to mount the /. |
| 16:04.31 | SimonRaven | peterS: scsi? eh? |
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| 16:04.40 | SimonRaven | oh. |
| 16:04.49 | shingouz | sml: ide-pce.2.2 has ext2 and ide in it |
| 16:04.51 | sml | edison: I'll leave it to these othe knowledgable people to advise you on how to proceed, coz I'm all outta ideas. |
| 16:04.52 | peterS | SimonRaven: not very fast SCSI, but yeah |
| 16:05.01 | tarvok | peterS: Thanks a lot. And thanks to all of you that frequent this channel. You all rule. 8-) |
| 16:05.02 | SimonRaven | this is why lsisa would be nice |
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| 16:05.05 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 16:05.12 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you wish |
| 16:05.15 | edison | sml, shingouz : it was working before i do an chroot /dev/hda3 /bin/bash and the run lilo from here |
| 16:05.18 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 16:05.19 | peterS | tarvok: np, glad your problem was that easy to solve |
| 16:05.32 | bonez39 | abrotman: video? not sure....hold on... |
| 16:05.37 | peterS | SimonRaven: heh. 'pnpdump' is what you are looking for, but its output is rather cryptic |
| 16:05.41 | sml | edison: hey boot up but put root=/dev/hda3, on the command line when you get the lilo prompt |
| 16:05.45 | sml | edison: tell me what it does. |
| 16:05.49 | shingouz | bah |
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| 16:06.05 | peterS | SimonRaven: and yes, if I remember correctly, the PAS16 is ISAPnP compatible |
| 16:06.07 | edison | sml, it does the same thing |
| 16:06.08 | bonez39 | abrotman: VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ViRGE/DX or /GX (rev 01) |
| 16:06.13 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 16:06.14 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 16:06.17 | SimonRaven | peterS: totally cryptic. i have no idea what i'm looking at. |
| 16:06.21 | sml | also could this be an rdev issue ? |
| 16:06.22 | peterS | bonez39: great old cards, the ViRGE chips. |
| 16:06.24 | abrotman | bonez39: and there you have it |
| 16:06.33 | shingouz | SimonRaven: i think some pcmcia package had the lsisa. pcmcia-cs maybe? i keep forgetting |
| 16:06.39 | tarzeau | is there a global ban on .tr ? |
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| 16:06.40 | SimonRaven | shingouz: cool |
| 16:06.40 | bonez39 | abrotman: there I have WHAT? |
| 16:06.44 | peterS | bonez39: don't listen to the S3 naysayers, ViRGE cards ruled |
| 16:07.02 | sussudio | peterS: :-| |
| 16:07.07 | edison | I think i need to repart the hard drive |
| 16:07.08 | sml | edison: what is the output of /usr/sbin/rdev ? |
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| 16:07.25 | bonez39 | peterS: where do I use that knowledge with my new 3.1 installation? how do I set it so it will run at highest available resolution? |
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| 16:07.31 | edison | sml, i think i have corrupt the partition table |
| 16:07.35 | sussudio | 0000:00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ViRGE/DX or /GX (rev 01) |
| 16:07.42 | peterS | bonez39: install xserver-xfree86 and tell it you have an s3v chip |
| 16:07.57 | shingouz | edison: boot onto the rescue disk and install a real kernel on the damn thing. the kernel you have there right now is just an install kernel. for a laotop you really shoudl have used sarge instead of woody in the forst pplace. and if you insist on using woody, the install should have be done with the vanilla boot floppies instead of the ide-pci |
| 16:08.00 | sml | edison: Ok. Hope you have backups ! :) |
| 16:08.12 | nomeata | Hi. I am trying to make my bind forward a subdomain to a different DNS server (actually DNS tunnel) on the same box. Can anyone spot the flow in : zone "tun.ehbuehl.net" { type forward; forward only; forwarders { 127.0.0.1 port 5353; }; }; ? |
| 16:08.23 | sussudio | nomeata: #bind |
| 16:08.26 | peterS | bonez39: hmm, it's called s3virge actually. but whatever |
| 16:08.35 | stew | nomeata: or #dns |
| 16:08.35 | shingouz | edison: the repartitioning is the wrong way. |
| 16:08.43 | nomeata | stew: thx, I'll try that. |
| 16:08.59 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: i don't see one |
| 16:09.17 | bonez39 | peterS: since the gui, Gnome already loads up...I have xserver-xfree86 already installed, right? |
| 16:09.23 | peterS | bonez39: yep |
| 16:09.31 | bonez39 | do I just run the config program and tell it S3virge? |
| 16:09.32 | edison | shingouz, i played with the boot.b backup and "dd if=/boot.b of=/dev/hda" |
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| 16:09.54 | peterS | bonez39: no need, you've apparently got a running system. if it's using the VESA driver, you want to tell it the s3virge driver instead as it'll be faster. |
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| 16:10.07 | bonez39 | peterS: is there anything i can query or probe to tell it the other parameters, for the config program? |
| 16:10.09 | peterS | bonez39: to see what it's using, and change it if necessary, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:10.14 | shingouz | edison: whatever floats your boat then. reinstall but do it with sarge, now woody. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 16:10.23 | shingouz | s/now/not |
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| 16:10.36 | edison | shingouz, ok |
| 16:10.49 | bonez39 | ok.... |
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| 16:11.13 | shingouz | edison: also /msg dpkg laptop |
| 16:11.18 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: is there one on valherulord.user ? |
| 16:11.47 | diepes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:12.08 | shingouz | edison: you should find all kinds of neat install manuals on the laptop sites, helps to figure out how to install and what special problems you might have on the still unnamed laptop |
| 16:12.14 | hussam | heloo, im trying to install monodevelop on debian , i installed mono with no trouble , but im trying to find a source for monodevelop for apt-get, i always cant find packeges such as libgconf2.0-cil, any suggestions?! |
| 16:12.40 | hussam | other than manual download! |
| 16:12.43 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: /bans in irssi and other clients |
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| 16:13.17 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: hm dunno then, he seems not be able to join. thanks for looking |
| 16:13.19 | peterS | hussam: it's all available in debian unstable. you can either install the unstable versions of these things, or backport them to stable |
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| 16:13.59 | hussam | hmm, Thanks peterS , ill try again with unstable |
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| 16:14.07 | jeffro | hey there |
| 16:14.11 | jeffro | got a problem with dpk |
| 16:14.12 | jeffro | got a problem with dpkg |
| 16:14.30 | jeffro | i try to install a debian package but it says its locked |
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| 16:14.38 | antgel | hussam: peterS may know more than me, but i can't see libconf2.0-cil in unstable either |
| 16:14.38 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: confirmed, i don't see it |
| 16:14.42 | jeffro | nvm |
| 16:14.43 | tarzeau | jeffro: because something else is installing a package already? |
| 16:14.46 | jeffro | got it |
| 16:14.51 | jeffro | had synaptic running |
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| 16:15.03 | peterS | antgel: you mean libgconf2.0-cil? |
| 16:15.19 | antgel | hussam: tell a lie |
| 16:15.26 | hussam | ?! |
| 16:15.29 | sml | what is synaptic ? |
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| 16:15.37 | antgel | hussam: basically ignore me |
| 16:15.44 | hussam | :) |
| 16:15.51 | tarzeau | sml: $ whatis synaptic |
| 16:15.52 | tarzeau | synaptic (8) - graphical management of software packages |
| 16:15.54 | shingouz | sml: gui aptitude |
| 16:16.02 | sml | Oh its a gui to aptitude |
| 16:16.14 | sml | fair enough. right im off down the pub! |
| 16:16.16 | tarzeau | sml: to apt-get actually |
| 16:16.17 | sml | later fokls |
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| 16:17.01 | jeffro | got another problem |
| 16:17.11 | jeffro | i cant install a certain application |
| 16:17.16 | tarzeau | jeffro: which? |
| 16:17.20 | peterS | jeffro: maybe you could tell us what application |
| 16:17.22 | shingouz | !tinfoil jeffro |
| 16:17.23 | dpkg | jeffro: If you really are going to be that vague, you should take off your tinfoil hat so that we could read your mind. |
| 16:17.27 | jeffro | gnomeboydadvance |
| 16:17.32 | jeffro | but |
| 16:17.40 | jeffro | i need python-gnome2 |
| 16:17.43 | shingouz | !tell jeffro about enter |
| 16:17.54 | tarzeau | jeffro: that doesn't exist |
| 16:18.01 | jeffro | so i tried to install that and then it told me i needed python2.3-gnome2 |
| 16:18.02 | dogmeat | how do i get dpkg to list the packages that match libstdc++ ?\ |
| 16:18.03 | tarzeau | jeffro: mind telling us where you have that crap from? |
| 16:18.04 | peterS | jeffro: have you tried the debian package of visualboyadvance? |
| 16:18.09 | jeffro | yes |
| 16:18.18 | jeffro | gnomeboyadvance is a frontend to vba |
| 16:18.26 | shingouz | dogmeat: apt-cache search helps |
| 16:18.28 | jeffro | http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1650 |
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| 16:18.38 | peterS | jeffro: so ok. what's the problem with it? |
| 16:18.40 | jeffro | i downloaded the debian package there |
| 16:18.57 | jeffro | i tried to install it with dpkg -i gnomeboyblabla.deb |
| 16:19.01 | peterS | yeah... |
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| 16:19.08 | antgel | dogmeat: or dpkg -l *libstdc++* if just searching installed pkgs |
| 16:19.11 | jeffro | then it told me i need python-gnome2 |
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| 16:19.18 | peterS | jeffro: run this: apt-get -f install |
| 16:19.36 | stew | jeffro: did you try to install python-gnome2? |
| 16:19.41 | peterS | jeffro: it will magically notice that you need python-gnome2 and whatever else you need, and install it |
| 16:19.42 | jeffro | yes i did |
| 16:19.58 | jeffro | it told me to to install python2.3-gnome2 |
| 16:20.07 | jeffro | and then it told me to install anther package |
| 16:20.09 | jeffro | and so on |
| 16:20.10 | peterS | jeffro: do what I said. "apt-get -f install", by itself |
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| 16:20.18 | jeffro | im doing right noe |
| 16:20.20 | jeffro | im doing right now |
| 16:20.30 | sciron | is there a method to force a static /etc/resolv.conf for a machine that requires dhcp? |
| 16:20.47 | LSorensen | sciron: depends on the dhcp client (but yes all of them can be configured that way) |
| 16:20.48 | peterS | sciron: what you do is edit /etc/dhclient.conf to tell it what you want to put in resolv.conf |
| 16:20.49 | jeffro | wow i had a old version of gnome... 2.8 now installing 2.10 |
| 16:20.59 | sciron | LSorensen> I meant specificly with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:21.03 | jeffro | i have kde as default so ii didnt notice |
| 16:21.07 | shingouz | sciron: i am not sure if this is the correct way to do it but i hit it with chattr to make it immutable :p |
| 16:21.15 | stew | sciron: man dhclient.conf |
| 16:21.22 | sciron | shingouz> heh, that's one way |
| 16:21.39 | sciron | guess i'm back to where ma3x was |
| 16:21.46 | jeffro | another question |
| 16:21.55 | jeffro | how can i run a command at the startup |
| 16:22.01 | LSorensen | sciron: you have to create a config file for dhchlient to tell it not to touch resolv.conf. it doesn't have anything to do with /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:22.09 | peterS | stew: does dhclient.conf have a manpage? packages.debian.org indicates that it does not |
| 16:22.11 | LSorensen | shingouz: eww |
| 16:22.11 | sciron | LSorensen> gotcha, still learning debian methods... |
| 16:22.18 | sciron | peterS> yep |
| 16:22.19 | stew | peterS: yes |
| 16:22.22 | jeffro | cause i want my pc to start inputattach --stinger ttyS0 at the startup |
| 16:22.22 | LSorensen | peterS: I think it's documented on the dhclient man page. |
| 16:22.42 | peterS | ahh, wrong search parameters |
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| 16:22.54 | stew | dhcp-client: /usr/share/man/man5/dhclient.conf.5.gz |
| 16:22.54 | shingouz | LSorensen: seems to be the only way to stop wvdial fuxxoring with the file when used with a gprs |
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| 16:23.17 | jeffro | btw now i notice hw smal deb packages are |
| 16:23.17 | hussam | i added this http://www.apt-get.org/text/?site=567 to my source.list, im still new, it didnt work |
| 16:23.20 | jeffro | ^_^ |
| 16:23.37 | Saw^ | what could be the reason for a deb-package's data.tar.gz not to extract correctly? xlibs behaved like this and it took me some time to find it out (Alt gr did not "work" at all) |
| 16:23.38 | peterS | jeffro: they have to be small because there are so many of them. some 15000 in all |
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| 16:23.50 | jeffro | wow |
| 16:23.53 | LSorensen | shingouz: I can't imagine wanting to use wvdial ever so welll... |
| 16:24.04 | shingouz | LSorensen: i am lazy ;) |
| 16:24.13 | LSorensen | sciron: I know with pump the file is /etc/pump.conf (I prefer pump to dhclient). |
| 16:24.17 | jeffro | hey it automatticly installed gnomeboyadvance |
| 16:24.21 | jeffro | how can this be :? |
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| 16:24.25 | peterS | jeffro: magic |
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| 16:24.26 | LSorensen | shingouz: pppconfig and pon/poff works better in my opinion |
| 16:24.27 | thorie | hi |
| 16:24.29 | cahoot | shingouz: might look at /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz |
| 16:24.33 | jeffro | lmao |
| 16:24.35 | sciron | LSorensen> i don't use dhclient, i prefer dhcp3 personally, as I need the server too |
| 16:24.39 | shingouz | LSorensen: true :) |
| 16:24.39 | sciron | never tried pump though |
| 16:24.47 | thorie | how do i display a text file sorted by longest lines first? |
| 16:24.49 | LSorensen | sch: ehm, which client do you use? |
| 16:24.52 | LSorensen | er sciron |
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| 16:24.53 | peterS | jeffro: when you did 'dpkg -i' earlier it installed it, but was not able to complete the configuration because of the missing dependencies. 'apt-get -f install' just finished the job |
| 16:25.03 | jeffro | ah thats nice |
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| 16:25.06 | jeffro | i see |
| 16:25.16 | jeffro | its cause i went from stable to unstable |
| 16:25.22 | sciron | LSorensen> dhcp3-client |
| 16:25.26 | jeffro | so it needs new unstable packages |
| 16:25.30 | jeffro | o_6 |
| 16:25.31 | LSorensen | sciron: ah. |
| 16:25.33 | jeffro | o_^ |
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| 16:25.44 | LSorensen | sciron: Does it work (other than messing with resolv.conf)? |
| 16:25.46 | stew | jeffro: you went to unstable? are you nuts? |
| 16:25.46 | daedalus_ | LSorensen, or pump |
| 16:25.51 | sciron | LSorensen> still looking for the manpage ;) |
| 16:25.53 | jeffro | no im not |
| 16:25.56 | peterS | thorie: perl -e 'open F, "filename"; @ary = <F>; print sort { length $a <=> length $b } @ary' |
| 16:25.59 | jeffro | i like the new kde ^_^ |
| 16:25.59 | peterS | thorie: untested |
| 16:26.10 | cahoot | sciron: might look at /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz |
| 16:26.15 | LSorensen | sciron: and the dhcp3 server and client are completely independant. |
| 16:26.15 | thorie | huh |
| 16:26.18 | sciron | cahoot> ty |
| 16:26.18 | peterS | thorie: "filename" is your input file, it prints to standard output |
| 16:26.24 | LSorensen | sciron: you can use dhcp3 server and pump on the same machine. |
| 16:26.28 | jeffro | and unstablew has support for my joystick ^_^ |
| 16:26.29 | peterS | thorie: so redirect to filename.sorted |
| 16:26.48 | thorie | i don't understand |
| 16:26.49 | sciron | LSorensen> except for dhcp3-common ;) |
| 16:26.51 | thorie | what is perl? |
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| 16:27.00 | LSorensen | sciron: really? Hmm. |
| 16:27.03 | peterS | thorie: perl is a language that makes it easy to do things like what you are asking |
| 16:27.12 | peterS | thorie: so, something like: perl -e 'open F, "filename"; @ary = <F>; print sort { length $a <=> length $b } @ary' > filename.sorted |
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| 16:27.31 | thorie | i tried to do this: cat myfile.txt | sort --longest-lines |
| 16:27.34 | shingouz | cahoot: i'll rtfm that one, thanks. the box i use the ugly solution is a laptop and gets connected to all kinds of different things. gprs, wlan, dial-up, lan, infrared, bt.. i am just a lazy basterd basically ;) |
| 16:27.45 | thorie | but there is no --longest-lines flag for sort |
| 16:27.54 | sciron | LSorensen> it's personal choice, but I do prefer to use the standards architets' clients/servers where applicable |
| 16:28.13 | sciron | *architects |
| 16:28.14 | peterS | thorie: so, I just tested my script and it works, but it does shortest line first, not longest first |
| 16:28.20 | LSorensen | sciron: and who's ssh server/client do you run? |
| 16:28.26 | sciron | LSorensen> touche ;) |
| 16:28.34 | LSorensen | sciron: yeah I thought so. |
| 16:28.35 | thorie | i don't understand do i need to type that into a file? |
| 16:28.39 | peterS | thorie: to get longest first, change { length $a <=> length $b } to the opposite, { length $b <=> length $a } |
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| 16:28.42 | LSorensen | sciron: still in the case of dhcp it seems reasonable |
| 16:28.46 | sciron | LSorensen> that's the only exception I can think of off the top of my head |
| 16:28.48 | sciron | is ssh |
| 16:29.02 | thorie | what do i put for those values? like <F> ? |
| 16:29.03 | LSorensen | sciron: which shell do you use? |
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| 16:29.11 | thorie | what is <F> ? do i put in the filename? |
| 16:29.14 | sciron | LSorensen> learning pksh actually |
| 16:29.16 | peterS | thorie: type it exactly as shown, except your filename instead of "filename" |
| 16:29.28 | thorie | ok |
| 16:29.33 | sciron | LSorensen> i don't like it, still like bash better |
| 16:29.34 | thorie | do I need quotes around myfile.txt ? |
| 16:29.35 | LSorensen | sciron: well a shell isn't a client/server anyhow |
| 16:29.37 | omi | there are several IO schedulers enabled in the kernel. How can you tell the kernel not to use one of them without recompiling? or to switch to one of them |
| 16:29.38 | peterS | thorie: so at a command prompt, type: perl -e 'open F, "your_filename"; @ary = <F>; print sort { length $b <=> length $a } @ary' > your_filename.sorted |
| 16:29.45 | LSorensen | sciron: ksh isn't the original shell either |
| 16:29.47 | peterS | thorie: yes, "" just as shown |
| 16:30.01 | peterS | thorie: note that my latest paste switched the $a and $b so you'd get longest lines first |
| 16:30.16 | sciron | LSorensen> I know, but it's the posix-standard shell ;) |
| 16:30.25 | sciron | er, ksh at least, pksh being the package name |
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| 16:30.46 | peterS | sciron: pksh? you mean pdksh? |
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| 16:30.57 | LSorensen | sciron: ehm, I am not sure it is posix shell. It is one posix compliant shell (I hope) but far from the only one. might as well use ash or dash or whatever else. |
| 16:31.05 | thorie | peterS: cool thx man |
| 16:31.05 | sciron | peterS> probably so, still new to debian (few months) |
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| 16:31.22 | LSorensen | sciron: ksh has many extensions, just as bash does that aren't posix. |
| 16:31.23 | sciron | LSorensen> korn shell is the posix standard shell |
| 16:31.30 | peterS | sciron: note that 'ksh' and 'pdksh' are two different debian packages - pdksh is a clone of ksh88, ksh is the *real* ksh93, which was open sourced not too long ago |
| 16:31.33 | ma3x | wtf it takes forever on KDE startup |
| 16:31.39 | mithi | Do anyone know where i can ask for help because of ATI drivers, fglrx module, xorg and xfree86?? #ati, #xorg, #xfree86 is almost dead... noone ever answer to me |
| 16:31.46 | ma3x | it stays 3 hours on initializing system servcices |
| 16:31.49 | LSorensen | sciron: as long as it's not based on mks ksh :) |
| 16:31.49 | mithi | i canT' solve my problem |
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| 16:32.08 | StijnT | mithi: google for "debian fglrx" |
| 16:32.11 | sciron | tcsh I still find more acceptable than ksh :\ |
| 16:32.12 | LSorensen | mithi: My solution was to stop buying ATI many years ago. |
| 16:32.18 | mithi | google also doesn't help |
| 16:32.27 | BradP | could someone answer a quick 2.6 kernel question? |
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| 16:32.43 | StijnT | mithi: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html does the trick here .. |
| 16:32.43 | LSorensen | sciron: I can't deal with lower shells than bash. I like zsh. csh derivatives is simply not toleerable |
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| 16:32.55 | LSorensen | BradP: can you ak a quick question about it? |
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| 16:33.03 | sciron | LSorensen> never used zsh, always looked at it as more of a curiosity. because I sco, I must learn to deal with ksh |
| 16:33.03 | mithi | was my first guide |
| 16:33.07 | mithi | nothing helps |
| 16:33.13 | StijnT | mithi: :/ |
| 16:33.17 | sciron | *because of |
| 16:33.26 | peterS | LSorensen: debian 'ksh' is the shell written by David Korn. mks ksh is a port of this to windows, as I'm sure you know (: |
| 16:33.42 | mithi | StijnT, hum but wait one way is there which i didn't test |
| 16:33.49 | LSorensen | peterS: a broken port apparently. :) |
| 16:34.01 | peterS | LSorensen: so I've heard. I'm fortunate in not ever having had to use it |
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| 16:34.07 | StijnT | mithi: if you are running sid then it wont work |
| 16:34.13 | StijnT | afaik |
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| 16:34.57 | LSorensen | peterS: A friend of mine worked at MKS tech support when David called with a problem. A few people thought it was very amusing afterwards when the poor person handling the call discovered they had been trying to convince David Korn that the mks ksh was completely ksh compatible. :) |
| 16:35.12 | peterS | LSorensen: oh dear |
| 16:35.12 | mithi | i have Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (sarge) ! |
| 16:35.17 | idnar_ | StijnT: why not? I'm using flavio's packages on sid with no problems |
| 16:35.23 | BradP | ok, same dell servers, one with 2.4 kernel compiled with SMP support shows 4 processors, onew with 2.6 kernel SMP and HT support shows 2 processors |
| 16:35.32 | StijnT | idnar: huh, it won't compile here :/ |
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| 16:36.33 | xoz | BradP: have you enable HT in bios? |
| 16:36.44 | sciron | ok, i've not dinked with this much outside of using makewhatis, why would man -k <something> show a manpage, and the manpage not exist? |
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| 16:37.15 | BradP | haven't checked, but it is supposed to come by default, I'm assuming it's not supposed to only show 2 in 2.6 kernel correct? |
| 16:37.36 | xoz | BradP: depends whether it is enabled in bios. |
| 16:37.37 | peterS | sciron: you don't need to run makewhatis, the system does so periodically |
| 16:37.51 | sciron | peterS> do you know the cron frequency? |
| 16:38.08 | peterS | sciron: actually I believe it uses some other scheme for the whatis cache |
| 16:38.18 | mithi | Does it matter when i work with kernel-source-2.6.8 when i have kernel 2.6.12.3?? |
| 16:38.36 | BradP | so in 2.6 kernel, if HT is on in BIOS, and kernel has been compiled with HT and SMP, then /proc/cpuinfo should show 4 processors on a dual HT system? |
| 16:38.37 | stew | mithi: "work with"? what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:38.47 | StijnT | mithi: yes, it certainly does |
| 16:38.55 | stew | BradP: yes |
| 16:38.58 | StijnT | you have to build against the same kernel version |
| 16:39.00 | mithi | stew, Build with the make-kpkg command |
| 16:39.00 | mithi | cd kernel-source-2.x.y |
| 16:39.00 | mithi | fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-flavour" --added-modules fglrx modules_image |
| 16:39.00 | mithi | "-flavour" is supposed to be a placeholder. You need to replace it with the correct value for your kernel, for example something like "-1-686" for prepackaged Debian kernels. Refer to 2.1. Kernel source for more details. |
| 16:39.00 | mithi | This will build a new package, which you will have to install: |
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| 16:39.24 | tripod | man grml-x |
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| 16:39.32 | mithi | stew, oops sorry too long |
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| 16:39.42 | peterS | sciron: anyway, the man index database is generated from /etc/cron.daily/man-db so that's every day at 6:25 local time |
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| 16:39.50 | BradP | stew, everyone, thanks; Dell must have messed up again |
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| 16:40.09 | mithi | StijnT, thx |
| 16:40.15 | xxenon | I installed g++3-4 , what shall I do to get a link from "g++" to "g++-3.4" (automatically, I mean) |
| 16:40.16 | xoz | BradP: usually the default is no HT. |
| 16:40.22 | StijnT | mithi: np |
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| 16:40.29 | peterS | sciron: (cron.daily is run from /etc/crontab so that's where you can see that it runs at 6:25, and change this if you wish.) |
| 16:40.41 | mithi | StijnT, i will come back ^, when i have tested it ^ |
| 16:41.00 | peterS | xxenon: if you really want this, the simple solution is: ln -s /usr/bin/g++-3.4 /usr/local/bin/g++ |
| 16:41.06 | StijnT | mithi: ok, let me know |
| 16:41.13 | peterS | xxenon: that is, the obvious unix solution - no debian hackery involved |
| 16:41.14 | rayo | hi, i would like to buy a wlan pci card (800.11g), which cards are good supported? |
| 16:41.27 | xxenon | peterS - I meant, the debian way (alternatives or something...) |
| 16:41.40 | xoz | or use anacron if you shutdown your computer often |
| 16:41.43 | hussam | im not able to get a good repository for source.list, and downloading by hand is too ugly, can someone help with that |
| 16:41.47 | peterS | xxenon: gcc doesn't use the alternatives system. the other debian way is dpkg-divert, but ln -s to /usr/local/bin is so much simpler |
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| 16:41.59 | xxenon | peterS - ok. |
| 16:42.09 | mrou | how do I activate Motherboard beep from command line? |
| 16:42.22 | lord_rob | does the new apt accept only official debian mirrors ? aptitude complains with ftp.nerim.net (marillat mirror) and also with download.videolan.org. How do I fix that ? |
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| 16:42.52 | xoz | apt-setup |
| 16:43.07 | lord_rob | ok |
| 16:43.08 | peterS | lord_rob: tell those mirrors to produce "Release.gpg" files, and put the gpg key for those mirrors in your /etc/apt/trusted.gpg keyring |
| 16:43.22 | xoz | deb http://debian.nsu.ru/mirrors/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main |
| 16:43.52 | stew | !marillat key |
| 16:43.53 | dpkg | if you are using apt > 0.6 and it is complaining about a missing gpg key for marillat's repository, read here: http://debian.video.free.fr/, or ask me about <apt secure> |
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| 16:44.08 | stew | dunno about videolan though |
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| 16:46.39 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 16:47.19 | Eclipser | I can't get any sound when I try to play midi files :< |
| 16:47.27 | jeffro | who can help me with the following that i dont understand? : # If Y is greater than 0, it means joystick number Y-1 and it uses the # following format for XXX # - if XXX < 20, XXX is the axis number multiplied by 2. An even number means # movement to the negative side (on the X axis, it means left). An odd # number means movement to the positive side (on the X axis, it mean # right). For the Y axis, negative means up |
| 16:47.27 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.38 | hussam | im not able to find a repository where i can find all those *-cil packesges !! :'( , can someone give me a hint where to find those!! |
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| 16:48.11 | sciron | peterS> thought so.... uhm, any idea where I can begin to look since mine is way outta sync? |
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| 16:48.22 | sciron | sorry, got it, i scrolled back |
| 16:48.32 | jeffro | eclipser: apt-get install qsynth |
| 16:48.45 | Schiz0 | Is there a way I can run the logrotate command manually? |
| 16:48.48 | jeffro | you need qsynth to play midi files |
| 16:48.50 | peterS | sciron: yeah, you can just run /etc/cron.daily/man-db as a regular script |
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| 16:48.56 | Schiz0 | I had a problem when it ran itself last night, and I fixed it and I wannta run it again |
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| 16:49.30 | peterS | sciron: not true of files in /etc/cron.d, btw, but it *is* true of files in /etc/cron.hourly, /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.weekly, /etc/cron.monthly |
| 16:49.43 | Eclipser | jeffro, let's see |
| 16:49.50 | sciron | got it, i found mandb. ty a ton. |
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| 16:50.24 | peterS | np |
| 16:50.30 | jeffro | eclipser get qsynth set the right parameters in the setup of the gui (you should have no other program running using the sound even not the kde deamon |
| 16:50.50 | jeffro | who can help me with my problem |
| 16:50.57 | Eclipser | my comp couldn't even dream of handling anything kde related :p |
| 16:51.05 | jeffro | :P |
| 16:51.23 | stew | jeffro: 42 |
| 16:51.29 | jeffro | 42? |
| 16:51.29 | Eclipser | hehheh |
| 16:51.39 | Eclipser | it's the universal answer to all questions |
| 16:51.50 | Eclipser | or something |
| 16:51.52 | stew | and since he didn't ask one... |
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| 16:51.59 | jeffro | i did |
| 16:52.02 | tarvok | Quick console command help: I have an entire directory tree I want to change to rw-rw-r. What's the fastest way to do this? |
| 16:52.11 | jeffro | jeffro who can help me with the following that i dont understand? : # If Y is greater than 0, it means joystick number Y-1 and it uses the # following format for XXX # - if XXX < 20, XXX is the axis number multiplied by 2. An even number means # movement to the negative side (on the X axis, it means left). An odd # number means movement to the positive side (on the X axis, it mean # right). For the Y axis, negative m |
| 16:52.11 | jeffro | eans up |
| 16:52.11 | jeffro | jeffro and positive means down. # X axis is usally axis number 0 and Y is axis number 1. # - if 20 >= XXX > 30, then XXX is the HAT number multiplied by 4 plus the # direction: 0 for up, 1 for down, 2 for right and 3 for left. Example: # 0021 is HAT 0 down, 0026 is HAT 1 right. # - if 80 >= XXX > 100, XXX is the joystick button number (XXX-080). |
| 16:52.18 | Schiz0 | tarvok- chmod -R |
| 16:52.19 | peterS | he asked a question by pasting a bunch of text from some README about joysticks |
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| 16:52.22 | RichardC | has anyone here successfully installed linuxant hcf drivers on their debian machine? |
| 16:52.26 | Leimy | abrotman! |
| 16:52.26 | peterS | jeffro: I didn't hear your question |
| 16:52.31 | jeffro | i dont GET IT |
| 16:52.33 | Leimy | got that momentum apache board |
| 16:52.38 | Leimy | dual PPC970FX |
| 16:52.39 | tarvok | Schiz0: trying... |
| 16:52.40 | Leimy | runs debian |
| 16:52.48 | Leimy | doing that mega-update to it now |
| 16:52.53 | Schiz0 | tarvok- -R means recursive |
| 16:52.55 | jeffro | i just want to set a axis for my up-down-left-right movement |
| 16:53.08 | Schiz0 | so it goes into all the dirs/files under it |
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| 16:53.25 | jeffro | and dont tell me to read the f*cking manual because that is the f*cking manual |
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| 16:53.38 | stew | its great, jeffro's unwillingness to read anything himself has gone so far that he's pasting the README's here to get people to read for him |
| 16:53.52 | jeffro | I READ IT |
| 16:53.59 | jeffro | i read it 9 times.. |
| 16:54.06 | jeffro | that why i ask i t here |
| 16:54.29 | jeffro | exam-ple xxx <20 what the fuck means that?! |
| 16:54.32 | Eclipser | jeffro, I probably need some soundfonts? |
| 16:54.36 | jeffro | yup |
| 16:54.43 | jeffro | there was some site |
| 16:54.49 | jeffro | hammersomething.com |
| 16:54.50 | Eclipser | now where would I find one, hmm... |
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| 16:54.52 | peterS | jeffro: you gave us no context. clearly you're talking about joystick configuration. you tell us *nothing* about what part of joystick configuration you are talking about |
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| 16:55.18 | furry | Hello. I have a supposedly fresh server install and I get a segfault when I try to start apache via init.d |
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| 16:55.24 | jeffro | ok i want to setup my ini of Visualboyadvance and i want to set up-down-left-right for my axis |
| 16:55.32 | jeffro | but i dont know what numbers to fill in |
| 16:55.49 | jeffro | Joy0_Left=0114 Joy0_Right=0113 Joy0_Up=0111 Joy0_Down=0112 |
| 16:56.08 | tarvok | Schiz0: Thanks. |
| 16:56.15 | Schiz0 | ;-) |
| 16:56.18 | Hostile | how do I get java going, I read java-package...but I still dont understand how to do it |
| 16:56.30 | rcs | I'm having issues setting up an installation. I have a computer with no cd drive. Currently trying to install woody. I get to "Select Installation Medium", and I have no option for the USB CD-ROM I'm using. |
| 16:56.35 | Schiz0 | Hostile- /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:56.39 | stew | furry: running sarge? does it always segfault at the same spot? |
| 16:56.52 | Hostile | Schiz0, I said I already read all that. |
| 16:56.53 | furry | stew ? |
| 16:57.09 | Schiz0 | Hostile- 1 sec, I saw a walkthrough on debian-administration.org |
| 16:57.17 | Hostile | k |
| 16:57.20 | jeffro | furry he asks if you run sarge, sid or ethc |
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| 16:57.23 | furry | stew Linux dev01.********.com 2.4.27-2-686 #1 Mon May 16 17:03:22 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:57.27 | jeffro | or woody |
| 16:57.28 | peterS | rcs: woody? much better support for that sort of thing (newer kernels, etc) in sarge |
| 16:57.49 | furry | probably sarge |
| 16:58.00 | Schiz0 | Hostile- http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 16:58.03 | furry | stable |
| 16:58.11 | jeffro | that sarge or woody.. |
| 16:58.16 | rcs | I have a sarge install iso snapshot, but that didn't give me an option for the usb-cdrom. It should come up under "select installation medium", right? |
| 16:58.18 | jeffro | probably sarge |
| 16:58.23 | Hostile | ty Schiz0 |
| 16:58.44 | peterS | rcs: should. I forget what modules are loaded by the time it needs to access your cdrom |
| 16:58.48 | jeffro | anyone halp me with my dumbness? |
| 16:58.52 | Schiz0 | Hostile- I tried that before, and it wouldn't work, I left a bunch of comments and the guy said one of the packages is broken, so I just installed it from the bin file following the directions on java.com |
| 16:59.02 | Schiz0 | I don't know if they updated the package yet so you can try |
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| 16:59.07 | Schiz0 | it might just be my system |
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| 16:59.31 | samuel | hello all |
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| 16:59.33 | illsci | how do you get a 2.6 kernel on debian from install |
| 16:59.33 | illsci | ? |
| 16:59.38 | illsci | im at the boot prompt |
| 16:59.41 | abrotman | illsci: linux26 |
| 16:59.48 | illsci | damn is that not part of sarge? |
| 16:59.57 | furry | stew jeffro probably sarge. Why would apache2 crash/"hang" -- I have it working on another machine |
| 16:59.58 | illsci | only sid? |
| 17:00.01 | abrotman | illsci: i just told you |
| 17:00.04 | abrotman | !ig |
| 17:00.04 | dpkg | [ig] for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 17:00.06 | samuel | ive been thinking about reinstalling linux using reiserfs, any ideas? or should i stick with ext3? how abour xfs? |
| 17:00.14 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 17:00.14 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem comparison was http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 17:00.17 | illsci | i just typed linux26 at the boot prompt befor i even came in here |
| 17:00.20 | sciron | samuel> xfs is fastest in my experience |
| 17:00.26 | illsci | and it says it didnt find the kernel image |
| 17:00.27 | jeffro | !botabuse |
| 17:00.27 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 17:00.48 | abrotman | dumb ass |
| 17:00.49 | shingouz | illsci: what install medium you use? |
| 17:00.50 | antgel | samuel: depends what you're doing. if you're like me you'd never notice the difference |
| 17:00.55 | abrotman | illsci: which install image ? amd64 ? |
| 17:00.56 | illsci | a cd |
| 17:01.01 | illsci | x86 |
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| 17:01.07 | abrotman | and you got the sarge netinst ? |
| 17:01.10 | shingouz | illsci: nice. and what cd might that be? |
| 17:01.13 | samuel | abrotman, sciron, antgel thanks |
| 17:01.24 | illsci | no http://ftp.lug.udel.edu/pub/distributions/debian-cd/3.0_r4/i386/debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 17:01.26 | illsci | that one |
| 17:01.31 | abrotman | !d-i illsci |
| 17:01.32 | dpkg | illsci, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:01.37 | shingouz | illsci: that is woody |
| 17:01.39 | abrotman | illsci: don't use the woody installer |
| 17:01.50 | illsci | damn |
| 17:01.58 | abrotman | illsci: you have broadband ? |
| 17:01.59 | illsci | so its 3.1 |
| 17:01.59 | illsci | right |
| 17:02.07 | illsci | i have a very very fast connection |
| 17:02.08 | shingouz | illsci: yes. sarge |
| 17:02.11 | illsci | ok |
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| 17:02.14 | illsci | thats what messed me up |
| 17:02.21 | abrotman | illsci: go to that url above .. get the 105MB netinst image for i386 |
| 17:02.24 | illsci | they must not have it on there mirror |
| 17:02.36 | antgel | amazes me how people get to the wrong images - there's about a million links to sarge mirrors on the www |
| 17:02.49 | illsci | obviously its not that obvious |
| 17:03.05 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 17:03.09 | antgel | illsci: why is it obvious that it's not obvious? |
| 17:03.09 | illsci | i went to the mirrors and thats what they had and im not new to this at all |
| 17:03.17 | illsci | anyway |
| 17:03.20 | illsci | thanks |
| 17:03.44 | shingouz | illsci: did you already install the whole system? |
| 17:03.45 | rcs | And I downloaded and used the sarge installer and it tells me I have no RELEASE file on the CD. Awesome. |
| 17:03.57 | rcs | Sorry. "Release". |
| 17:04.03 | illsci | probalby because people go to the Get Debian link |
| 17:04.06 | illsci | and hten to the mirrors linnk |
| 17:04.08 | shingouz | illsci: i mean, if you did, just upgrade to sarge |
| 17:04.10 | illsci | and all the mirrors have woody |
| 17:04.21 | illsci | its a new install im going to install over rhel 4 |
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| 17:04.52 | jeffro | can someone explain to me what number to fill in for up left down right? i want to use my axis |
| 17:05.16 | stew | furry: if it always crashes at the same place, i'd say its a bug. if not i'd guess a hardware problem |
| 17:05.31 | abrotman | jeffro: probably 4 5 |
| 17:05.39 | stew | furry: what version of apache? dpkg -l apache2 |
| 17:05.44 | antgel | illsci: i'm not having a go at you, but http://www.debian.org/CD/ says that latest stable is 3.1rev0a |
| 17:05.44 | jeffro | 4 and 5 ? |
| 17:05.59 | abrotman | jeffro: don't do that |
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| 17:06.08 | jeffro | ok |
| 17:06.14 | abrotman | jeffro: /msg dpkg guidelines .. if you're confused |
| 17:06.22 | jeffro | so i cant /msg |
| 17:06.23 | illsci | yeah and then you go to the mirrors and most of them dont have it |
| 17:06.32 | illsci | i see the main site does... so i guess thats what ill use |
| 17:06.35 | shingouz | jeffro: and why is that then? |
| 17:06.37 | antgel | and http://www.debian.org notes that the latest stable release of debian is 3.1 |
| 17:06.38 | illsci | but the us mirrors all have woody |
| 17:06.49 | antgel | that is _not_ a desirable situation |
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| 17:06.55 | jeffro | i just want to seupt visualboyadvance for my joystick |
| 17:06.59 | illsci | the rutgers mirror and psu mirror |
| 17:07.02 | jeffro | but i dont get all the numbers |
| 17:07.09 | ma3x | how to delete everything in iptables? |
| 17:07.13 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 17:07.14 | shingouz | jeffro: why is it that you cannot /meg dpkg? |
| 17:07.18 | illsci | iptables -F target |
| 17:07.19 | shingouz | msg even |
| 17:07.20 | jeffro | not dpkg |
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| 17:07.25 | sciron | ma3x> is it modular? |
| 17:07.31 | jeffro | i ment to abortman |
| 17:07.35 | antgel | anyone else aware of this? sarge has been out for a while and i would have hoped that mirrors would updated by now |
| 17:07.44 | jeffro | to message a giant readme |
| 17:07.51 | ma3x | sciron what's modular? |
| 17:07.55 | ma3x | what means? |
| 17:08.00 | sciron | ma3x> then illsci is right ;) |
| 17:08.02 | shingouz | jeffro: please /msg dpkg guidelines, /msg dpkg enter |
| 17:08.10 | abrotman | jeffro: you sohuldn't /msg or dcc chat to anyone without permission |
| 17:08.20 | sciron | ma3x> it means it's the firewalling modules are modular as opposed to static in the kernel |
| 17:08.21 | jeffro | i dont know i cant flood... |
| 17:08.24 | abrotman | shingouz: except guidelines doesn't mention not to /msg people :) |
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| 17:08.34 | ma3x | sciron modular yes |
| 17:08.49 | abrotman | jeffro: /msg dpkg msg |
| 17:09.01 | Eclipser | kind of stupid to have to run another application to get midi sounds |
| 17:09.01 | xnando- | LINUX |
| 17:09.02 | shingouz | abrotman: i would be happy if he learned not to use the fucking enter this much... and be a bit less vague |
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| 17:09.06 | sciron | ma3x> illsci pointed out 'iptables -F'.. of course, you may have to set the rules to accept as default |
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| 17:09.07 | xnando- | OWNZ |
| 17:09.10 | xnando- | ;) |
| 17:09.15 | abrotman | shingouz: i'd be happy with another course of action |
| 17:09.19 | abrotman | xnando-: done ? |
| 17:09.25 | ouch | i got my card working with the orinoco driver...it goes into monitor mode and begins capturing packets(airodump). A few seconds in, i get 'read: Network is down device eth1 left promiscuous mode. |
| 17:09.30 | xnando- | i love debian PLATFORM |
| 17:09.39 | shingouz | abrotman: meaning a nice small addition to a perticular list? ;) |
| 17:09.46 | HolyGoat | Bah, any other way to write to ntfs partitions? I've tried captive but didn't get it to work, failed dependencies and stuff like that. |
| 17:09.47 | illsci | when your playing with your iptables firewall remotely its good to do like iptables whatever ; sleep 5; iptables set policys allow |
| 17:09.55 | abrotman | shingouz: particular .. yes :) |
| 17:09.58 | illsci | that way if you screw yourself you can get back in in a bit |
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| 17:10.09 | abrotman | HolyGoat: not relliably |
| 17:10.16 | jeffro | If Y is greater than 0, it means joystick number Y-1 and it uses the following format for XXX: if XXX < 20, XXX is the axis number multiplied by 2. An even number means movement to the negative side (on the X axis, it means left). An odd number means movement to the positive side (on the X axis, it mean right). For the Y axis, negative means up and positive means down. X axis is usally axis number 0 and Y is axis number 1. if 20 >= XXX > |
| 17:10.16 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.21 | shingouz | ouch: you did not get it into "monitor" mode, you had it in "promiscuous" mode. two completely different things |
| 17:10.24 | abrotman | jeffro: are you fucking stupid .. don't paste |
| 17:10.32 | jeffro | i didnt paste |
| 17:10.35 | HolyGoat | abrotman: Unreliably meaning, I could lose all data on the disk? |
| 17:10.36 | jeffro | i typed it over... |
| 17:10.38 | antgel | he's killing me |
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| 17:10.40 | abrotman | HolyGoat: yes |
| 17:10.43 | jeffro | without entering |
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| 17:10.53 | xnando- | what abrotman ? |
| 17:11.11 | ouch | shingouz: i use iwconfig eth1 mode monitor...then an iwconfig shows mode:monitor. |
| 17:11.12 | HolyGoat | abrotman: Hmm thanks.. I'll just back up the disk and partition it from scratch. |
| 17:11.25 | abrotman | HolyGoat: /msg dpkg listkeys ntfs |
| 17:11.32 | shingouz | jeffro: how about a new course of actio. apparently no-one knows the solution, try it out yourself ffs! |
| 17:11.46 | shingouz | ouch: do you have a patched kernel? |
| 17:12.22 | ouch | no...i am running sarge...with the newest orinoco driver 0.15rc2 |
| 17:12.22 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:12.41 | nagytalp | re |
| 17:12.56 | antgel | any devs care to comment on the lack of sarge on some cd mirrors? it seems like low quality to me - perhaps they need a kick up the arse. |
| 17:13.29 | abrotman | antgel: you'd have to ask the ftp team |
| 17:13.36 | nkuttler | jeffro: you can spend 50 for an usb joystick |
| 17:13.40 | jasoncohen | i just receivedc DSA-769-1 for gaim. It fixes CAN-2005-2370 but this is not shown on http://gaim.sourceforge.net/security/. Also, CAN-2005-1934 AND CAN-2005-1269 remain unfixed. anyone know where this CAN came from? |
| 17:13.41 | shingouz | ouch: to get rfmon on the orinoco-cs, you need to patch the source and do a custom kernel. 0.15 does not do what you like it to do. www.kismetwireless.net for more information on the orinoco rfmon |
| 17:13.42 | abrotman | antgel: i think it's optional for mirroring |
| 17:13.55 | jeffro | apperantly most people understand they just want that i go and pay some 100 euros cause they dont want to help me with that anymore because the 1. think i didnt read the manual or 2. that i am a very n00bish n00b..... |
| 17:13.58 | peterS | antgel: that's such a great attitude |
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| 17:14.11 | antgel | actually, and illsci i hope you're listening, i've just clicked on 3 random mirrors and all of them have sarge. seems you got unlucky with some bad apples. |
| 17:14.12 | ouch | thanks |
| 17:14.42 | shingouz | jeffro: do you want some cheese with that whine? |
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| 17:14.44 | antgel | peterS: not the devs needing a kick - the mirror admins! |
| 17:14.49 | furry | so apache2 doesn't work on sarge and simply segfaults? |
| 17:15.05 | nagytalp | please help me: how can i detect new ethernet cards(ISA) under debian? |
| 17:15.09 | jeffro | nkuttler, it isnt the joystick, its the config file for visualboyadvance |
| 17:15.16 | ma3x | on boot eth1 is set, how can i remove it? |
| 17:15.20 | jeffro | my joystick FULLY works |
| 17:15.20 | abrotman | furry: works for me .. on many boxes |
| 17:15.20 | ma3x | i already have eth0 |
| 17:15.37 | nkuttler | jeffro: congrats, you will work that out too |
| 17:15.42 | jeffro | but i dont know what "parenthsis" numbrs to fill in |
| 17:15.48 | antgel | peterS: i have nothing but respect for any debian dev - the effort put in to make it what it is is massive. |
| 17:15.50 | sciron | ma3x> edit /etc/network/interfaces, while reading the debian manual ;) |
| 17:16.06 | stew | furry: what version of apache? dpkg -l apache2 |
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| 17:16.30 | abrotman | could be his thread modem |
| 17:16.32 | abrotman | err model |
| 17:16.40 | nkuttler | jeffro: google the config file name |
| 17:16.43 | shingouz | jeffro: try something yourself too and stop whining. it should be pretty apparent by now that no-one has the answer you are looking for. read the manual and experiment with a few settings |
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| 17:16.52 | stew | he won't read |
| 17:17.00 | shingouz | he sure will not :( |
| 17:17.11 | shingouz | nagytalp: what nic do you have? |
| 17:17.12 | jeffro | so you thik i didnt read the manual |
| 17:17.13 | jeffro | i did |
| 17:17.19 | ma3x | sciron : there is auto lo; iface lo inet loopback; auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 17:17.21 | jeffro | i dont get that xxX<20 stuff |
| 17:17.22 | shingouz | *plonk* |
| 17:17.23 | ma3x | which one do remove? |
| 17:17.35 | abrotman | shingouz: no shit |
| 17:17.40 | jeffro | i cant put in xxx-x1 till i reach 999 |
| 17:17.42 | sciron | ma3x> the debian manual lists those configuration settings |
| 17:17.48 | sciron | ma3x> your turn ;) |
| 17:17.54 | nagytalp | hmmm... |
| 17:17.59 | nagytalp | i forget :) |
| 17:18.13 | shingouz | nagytalp: knowing what the hardware is usually helps a bit ;) |
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| 17:18.33 | nagytalp | but i have 3 pci realtek 8029as |
| 17:18.41 | sciron | ma3x> I also don't recall exactly what you needed, so in order for me to get some work done, you'll have to take a peak @ www.debian.org |
| 17:18.47 | shingouz | nagytalp: ah. in that case ifconfig -a |
| 17:18.47 | ma3x | sciron : i'll tell you what fishing is! |
| 17:18.51 | nagytalp | and the problem is same |
| 17:18.55 | exobyte | are ppp and pppd both at ppp.samba.org? (yes, source) |
| 17:18.58 | ma3x | sciron : i want only eth0 and loopback |
| 17:19.11 | shingouz | nagytalp: ifconfig -a, see how many interfaces you have |
| 17:19.19 | nagytalp | ok |
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| 17:19.41 | ma3x | sciron : 4, dont need eth1, sit0 |
| 17:19.53 | ma3x | and local loopback i guess i need |
| 17:20.01 | sciron | it's handy to have |
| 17:20.09 | nagytalp | that see only one |
| 17:20.22 | nagytalp | eth0 |
| 17:20.34 | yoo | /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 17:20.36 | shingouz | nagytalp: but you have three nics in the computer now? or? |
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| 17:21.05 | nagytalp | now just two |
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| 17:21.16 | jeffro | ok i googled for the file name of the config |
| 17:21.20 | jeffro | i got one problem |
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| 17:21.23 | ke6isf | !beer all the sysadmins on the channel |
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| 17:21.30 | ma3x | sciron how to delete eth1 and sit0? |
| 17:21.32 | jeffro | they are all WINDOWS related that doesnt help me |
| 17:21.35 | yoo | psk="HOW much caracters " |
| 17:21.39 | ma3x | come on babym, boost it up! |
| 17:21.41 | sciron | ma3x> with a text editor of course ;) |
| 17:21.41 | nagytalp | an unknown isa and one integrated |
| 17:21.49 | jeffro | and after putting linux behind |
| 17:21.49 | yoo | please |
| 17:21.51 | sciron | ma3x> it's a text file afterall |
| 17:21.52 | ma3x | sciron do not kid me. what file? |
| 17:21.54 | shingouz | nagytalp: the other one is the realtek then i guess. hmm.. |
| 17:21.57 | sciron | ma3x> i already told you |
| 17:22.09 | ma3x | but there is no sit0 and eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:22.16 | RichardC | hey |
| 17:22.20 | shingouz | nagytalp: any chance of you cracking open the box for a quick look-see? ;) |
| 17:22.25 | ke6isf | !hey |
| 17:22.26 | dpkg | Hello |
| 17:22.30 | sciron | ma3x> all is explained in the debian manual... |
| 17:22.32 | jeffro | it still doesnt find something good |
| 17:22.33 | RichardC | can someone help me install my linuxant hcf drivers? |
| 17:22.37 | nagytalp | yeah :) |
| 17:22.45 | ma3x | sciron need link to the exact page of those interfaces |
| 17:22.58 | nagytalp | just one minuto |
| 17:23.11 | jeffro | nvm me nobody listens anyway... |
| 17:23.25 | shingouz | nagytalp: of course if you are lazy, check dmesg for possible cards, then modconf the appropriate module in place |
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| 17:24.04 | takatumi | RichardC: where are you stuck? |
| 17:24.24 | RichardC | takatumi: when i first tried to install them, it told me to install the 2.4 kernel-headers |
| 17:24.41 | RichardC | takatumi: so i did, but now it says my kernel wasnt compiled with some option |
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| 17:25.10 | bnoji | Is anyone using the debian samba package with OpenLDAP? |
| 17:25.12 | takatumi | RichardC: what option? |
| 17:25.19 | bnoji | I keep getting LDAP timeouts from smbd |
| 17:25.23 | bnoji | Anders: tcp 0 0 localhost.localdo:32911 localhost.localdom:ldap TIME_WAIT |
| 17:25.27 | bnoji | From netstat |
| 17:25.28 | RichardC | takatumi: so i was thinking of updating my kernel to 2.6 (like what ubuntu had when i installed these drivers there) |
| 17:25.29 | nagytalp | so few minits and i come back :) |
| 17:25.34 | nagytalp | thanx |
| 17:25.36 | shingouz | k |
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| 17:26.35 | takatumi | RichardC: it's been a while but the drivers did work with 2.6 and the appropriate headers, the one I needed was hsf though. (please keep in on main) |
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| 17:26.54 | balony | What imap daemon has PAM support? (except cyrus) |
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| 17:27.11 | nagytalp | good apetite shingouz |
| 17:27.26 | ma3x | where the hell i read on network interfaces? |
| 17:27.47 | RichardC | takatumi: since synaptic isnt installed, and i cant connect to the internet in debian, what packages should i get to install the newest stable kernel? |
| 17:28.01 | stew | balony: afaik, they all do, courier-imap being the most popular |
| 17:28.03 | ke6isf | balony: Doesn't uw-imapd carry it? |
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| 17:28.41 | balony | ke6isf: can't find the damn config file with uw-imap. heh |
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| 17:28.48 | ke6isf | !etc |
| 17:28.49 | dpkg | somebody said etc was something marginally brain-dead people say when they know their statement is incomplete, but they can't figure out how to complete it or /etc, the directory that contains all the config files |
| 17:28.55 | black13 | what is the "old lsmod" |
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| 17:29.03 | balony | ke6isf: nah, can't find it there... |
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| 17:29.20 | asg | balony: uw-imap doesn't have a configuration file. uw-imap is basically a cry for help. Dovecot, Binc, and courier should all support pam. |
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| 17:29.40 | ma3x | how do i delete eth1? |
| 17:29.42 | ma3x | and sit0 |
| 17:29.54 | black13 | i get an error "Kernel requires old lsmod, but couldn't run lsmod.modutils: No such file or directory" |
| 17:29.56 | stew | !depends uw-imapd |
| 17:29.58 | lord_rob | and what do the letters etc stand for in unix ? |
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| 17:30.03 | ma3x | come on guys |
| 17:30.04 | takatumi | RichardC: what version of debian? |
| 17:30.05 | dpkg | uw-imapd: depends on libc-client2002edebian, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libssl0.9.7, debconf (>= 1.2.0), openssl, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-13.1), netbase |
| 17:30.07 | ma3x | show a little bit respect |
| 17:30.15 | RichardC | takatumi: 3.1 r0a |
| 17:30.16 | ma3x | im begging you all day |
| 17:30.19 | ma3x | pzllz plz plz |
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| 17:30.27 | dbernar1 | I wwas wondering, what does it mean when aptitude gives you a name of a package when you search, and beside it there is a letter v? You can not install those... |
| 17:30.30 | RichardC | takatumi: just installing the correct kernel-image package will work, right? |
| 17:30.33 | ke6isf | ma3x: If you continue to beg, we just might help you by /ignoring you. |
| 17:30.38 | jeffro | someone help me |
| 17:30.40 | RichardC | takatumi: or do i need to install others as well? |
| 17:30.41 | stew | balony: uw-imapd depends on libpam0g (but i wouldn't recommend uw-imapd, i'd recommend dovecot or courier) |
| 17:30.47 | jeffro | i downloaded some software but i need to compile it |
| 17:30.55 | ke6isf | !readme |
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| 17:30.56 | jeffro | the README says |
| 17:31.07 | nicoal | ma3x, remove the module? |
| 17:31.08 | jeffro | that i should type the command make |
| 17:31.10 | stew | ma3x: remove the driver |
| 17:31.11 | asg | ma3x: remove ipv6 support from your kernel and whatever other drivers are tagged as eth1 (use dmesg) |
| 17:31.11 | jeffro | i did |
| 17:31.14 | balony | stew: what do you think about cyrus? |
| 17:31.15 | jeffro | it didnt work |
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| 17:31.22 | stew | balony: i've had no experience with it |
| 17:31.24 | ma3x | with modprobe -r eth1? |
| 17:31.26 | sciron | jeffro> 'it didn't work' is awful vague... |
| 17:31.29 | jeffro | Compaq:/home/jeffro/qtvba/qtvba-0.2# make |
| 17:31.29 | jeffro | make: *** Geen regel voor aanmaken doel `/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', nodig voor `Makefile'. Stop. |
| 17:31.30 | ke6isf | !doesn't work |
| 17:31.30 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:31.46 | takatumi | RichardC: yes, and the kernel-headers |
| 17:31.46 | stew | ma3x: no the hardware driver, what kind of card? |
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| 17:31.53 | asg | jeffro: we don't speak chef; can you paste the error in English. |
| 17:31.57 | RichardC | takatumi: i need the -686. so is kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 right? |
| 17:32.00 | jeffro | umm |
| 17:32.02 | jeffro | il try |
| 17:32.03 | furry | stew apache2 2.0.54-4 |
| 17:32.07 | RichardC | takatumi: alright |
| 17:32.18 | ma3x | stew: the network card is Silicon Integrated Systems |
| 17:32.26 | dbernar1 | I guess you are all apt-get users... |
| 17:32.30 | jeffro | no rule to make target '/mkspecs/default/gmake.conf' needed for makefile stop |
| 17:32.32 | stew | ma3x: then modprobe -r sis900 or something |
| 17:32.50 | ma3x | but stew i want eth0 to work, and to remove eth1 and sit0 |
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| 17:32.59 | ke6isf | dbernar1: How astutue. |
| 17:33.01 | ma3x | so what's that sit0? |
| 17:33.02 | ma3x | !sit0 |
| 17:33.43 | dbernar1 | ke6isf: is that bad? |
| 17:33.43 | peterS | ma3x: IPv6 encapsulation |
| 17:33.43 | dbernar1 | Not sure what the word means... |
| 17:33.43 | dbernar1 | maybe I should dict. |
| 17:33.43 | ke6isf | dbernar1: No, it's kind of necessary for apt-get, in fact. |
| 17:33.43 | asg | jeffro: well, you'll either have to hack the Makefile, ask the author what targets are supposed to be used, or simply look at the README/INSTALL and see if there are instructions. |
| 17:33.43 | ke6isf | dbernar1: Oops... debian, even. |
| 17:33.44 | jeffro | there is one other thing in the reamde |
| 17:33.50 | asg | jeffro: other targets to try are 'make all', and maybe 'make install' |
| 17:33.53 | RichardC | takatumi: how can i generate a list of the packages i have installed? |
| 17:33.59 | ma3x | peterS : what about it? |
| 17:34.05 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 17:34.06 | peterS | ma3x: that's what sit0 is for |
| 17:34.08 | stew | furry: i'd try removing some of the mod_'s until you figure out which is causing the segfault, i doubt it's apache itself |
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| 17:34.11 | dbernar1 | ke6isf: hey, I meant, like, you all dont use aptitude...here at thsi time... |
| 17:34.15 | jeffro | if that doesn't work and you have a proper qt devel environment installed: qmake qtvba.pro > Makefile make |
| 17:34.20 | peterS | ma3x: it's there because you have the ipv6 module loaded |
| 17:34.20 | RichardC | thanks abrotman |
| 17:34.23 | stew | furry: do you have any non-dpkg installed apache mods? |
| 17:34.23 | ke6isf | Oh, that's different. I've used aptitude, what do you want to know? |
| 17:34.24 | RichardC | brb |
| 17:34.32 | abrotman | or dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:34.35 | stew | furry: and check the BTS of course |
| 17:34.53 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# modprobe -r ipv6 |
| 17:34.53 | ma3x | fatal__: Module ipv6 is in use. |
| 17:34.57 | asg | jeffro: for the qt stuff, /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
| 17:35.07 | dbernar1 | astute - adj : marked by practical hardheaded intelligence... |
| 17:35.14 | dbernar1 | ok, well, I was wondering... |
| 17:35.15 | jeffro | il try |
| 17:35.19 | jeffro | i hope it isnt TOO hard |
| 17:35.20 | dbernar1 | I wwas wondering, what does it mean when aptitude gives you a name of a package when you search, and beside it there is a letter v? You can not install those... |
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| 17:35.36 | peterS | ma3x: ipv6 cannot be removed once it is loaded. except by rebooting. it's a limitation of that particular module |
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| 17:35.42 | ke6isf | dbernar1: All those abbreviations are in the Help section of aptitude. |
| 17:35.49 | dbernar1 | thanks. |
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| 17:36.11 | peterS | ma3x: you can put "alias net-pf-10 off" in /etc/modutils/aliases, in place of the line about ipv6 |
| 17:36.12 | ke6isf | According to the help file, a 'v' is a Virtual package |
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| 17:36.27 | peterS | ma3x: or if you're using a 2.6 kernel, /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 17:36.37 | ke6isf | ...doh! |
| 17:36.48 | phlak | Hey |
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| 17:36.59 | jeffro | umm |
| 17:37.01 | peterS | ma3x: that should prevent ipv6 from loading next time you boot |
| 17:37.05 | phlak | I have a little problem |
| 17:37.06 | dbernar1 | anyone know what a virtual package means? |
| 17:37.07 | setuid | How much longer before the package breakage/C++ ABI breakage in Sid is ironed out? |
| 17:37.09 | ma3x | lias net-pf-10 ipv6 |
| 17:37.15 | ma3x | can't i just put # in front of it? |
| 17:37.15 | phlak | I want to buy Fedora Core 4 online |
| 17:37.22 | dbernar1 | I mean, someone myust know...What is a virtual package? |
| 17:37.25 | StijnT | heh, you don't buy linux |
| 17:37.26 | peterS | setuid: another week or three. use sarge or etch, that's what they're for |
| 17:37.30 | StijnT | you get it for free |
| 17:37.31 | setuid | etch? |
| 17:37.33 | ke6isf | dbernar1: You don't have screen installed, do you? |
| 17:37.36 | peterS | setuid: 'testing' |
| 17:37.36 | sciron | dbernar1> sounds like a meta package |
| 17:37.39 | setuid | ah |
| 17:37.43 | jeffro | i messaged dpkg and it sended me to a page about explaining what the error message: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! means but i dont have that problem |
| 17:37.43 | dbernar1 | ke6isf: why you ask, cause I part? |
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| 17:37.47 | named | hi |
| 17:37.48 | ke6isf | dbernar1: Yep. |
| 17:37.48 | phlak | StijnT, you don't understand, I want the CD shipped to my house |
| 17:37.49 | sciron | dbernar1> i'm probably wrong though. |
| 17:37.53 | setuid | I'll wait it out |
| 17:38.03 | dbernar1 | sciron: well, you cant install them at all. |
| 17:38.04 | StijnT | phlak: why would you wanna do that ? |
| 17:38.05 | named | how do you select the interface using ping in debian? for something ping -I doesn't work!! |
| 17:38.12 | dbernar1 | StijnT: he asid he has a problem... |
| 17:38.12 | peterS | dbernar1: a package name which doesn't correspond to a real package, but which one or more real packages provide as alternate names |
| 17:38.12 | asg | phlak: then go to cheapbytes.com |
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| 17:38.26 | dbernar1 | peterS: ah, that makes sense. |
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| 17:38.41 | nagytalp | shingouz... :) |
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| 17:38.46 | phlak | StijnT, Don't have time to download |
| 17:38.51 | peterS | dbernar1: for example, "c-compiler" is provided by all versions of gcc as well as some other compilers. you could try to install 'c-compiler' and you'd get any of those |
| 17:39.07 | bwlang | what are the relative advantages of dhcp3 and dhcp2 ? |
| 17:39.17 | ke6isf | StijnT: Never underestimate the bandwidth of a Debian CD set in a FedEx package. =^^= |
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| 17:39.34 | nagytalp | i installed now an realtek 8029AS and one readylink2000A-PnP isa card |
| 17:39.37 | jeffro | oh i dont understand |
| 17:39.37 | StijnT | ke6isf: hehe |
| 17:39.44 | jeffro | i want the program |
| 17:39.46 | FieldySnuts | !lart ISA |
| 17:39.50 | nagytalp | can u help me? |
| 17:39.54 | FieldySnuts | !u |
| 17:39.58 | FieldySnuts | hm. |
| 17:40.04 | StijnT | I don't have that problem with my unlimited bandwidth :) |
| 17:40.05 | peterS | nagytalp: fun. you need the two modules "ne2k-pci" and "ne" |
| 17:40.17 | peterS | nagytalp: *two* NE2000-compatible cards in one system ... the horror |
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| 17:40.26 | jeffro | !ops Fieldysnuts are you opped? |
| 17:40.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Fieldysnuts are you opped |
| 17:40.30 | nagytalp | :)) |
| 17:40.34 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 17:40.38 | edugcj | does anyone knows how to install and configure jabber? |
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| 17:40.41 | FieldySnuts | why annoy the ops with that |
| 17:40.42 | peterS | nagytalp: actually I don't know if your ISA card is a NE2000 compatible, but from the model name it sounds like it |
| 17:40.42 | jeffro | !u |
| 17:40.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:40.43 | asg | jeffro: don't do that |
| 17:40.44 | nagytalp | ok |
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| 17:40.58 | mentor | hey! |
| 17:41.03 | LoRez | mentor: feel free to ban ;) |
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| 17:41.19 | FieldySnuts | punked |
| 17:41.23 | peterS | nagytalp: I can look it up for sure if you print the ISAPNP ID spit out by the 'pnpdump' program, which comes in the 'isapnptools' package |
| 17:41.24 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 17:41.30 | FieldySnuts | Phated: !! hi! |
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| 17:41.35 | miernik | why is aptitude so slow? I mean even moving the bar up and down is slower than I can press the arrow key on a pentium 166 machine, in all other textmode software its bleeding fast, like in mutt, midnight commander, tin, ELinks, why is aptitude so slow? |
| 17:41.47 | peterS | nagytalp: that, if you can figure out which is the PNP ID. it will be 3 letters and 4 digits |
| 17:41.54 | jeffro | what did i did wrong LoRez? |
| 17:41.57 | ke6isf | miernik: ...um, top? |
| 17:42.07 | LoRez | jeffro: used !ops w/ absolutely no f'n reason |
| 17:42.09 | nagytalp | wow |
| 17:42.23 | jeffro | i just wanted too see why Fieldysnuts couldnt use a bot |
| 17:42.23 | nagytalp | thanx |
| 17:42.32 | FieldySnuts | doesn't really matter |
| 17:42.55 | abrotman | dumb |
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| 17:43.00 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you've been ignored again ? |
| 17:43.17 | Somefilename | I'm out |
| 17:43.18 | ke6isf | jeffro: you do that. |
| 17:43.19 | abrotman | mentor: mine does! |
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| 17:43.27 | FieldySnuts | ~breastfeed jeffro |
| 17:43.27 | apt | ACTION gives jeffro the right nipple |
| 17:43.37 | mentor | abrotman: do you have one? |
| 17:43.39 | peterS | nagytalp: if you find an ID in the pnpdump output that looks like "PNP80d6" or "EDI0216", that's what I am looking for |
| 17:43.56 | ke6isf | exobyte: *cringe* that has to hurt. |
| 17:43.59 | abrotman | mentor: no .. IBM TP G40 :) |
| 17:44.08 | abrotman | mentor: sorry to get you excited :) |
| 17:44.14 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:44.19 | jeffro | !troll Fieldysnuts |
| 17:44.25 | exobyte | ke6isf: heh heh.. |
| 17:44.27 | abrotman | !idiot jeffro |
| 17:44.28 | named | how do you select the interface using ping in debian? for something ping -I doesn't work!! |
| 17:44.31 | FieldySnuts | lay off |
| 17:44.32 | jeffro | i done that with my magic powers |
| 17:44.36 | mentor | abrotman: I've been doing logic with mathematical pednats too long to get excited before checking. :) |
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| 17:44.50 | abrotman | mentor: that sounds creepy |
| 17:44.51 | ke6isf | !lart jeffro |
| 17:44.57 | jeffro | eww |
| 17:44.59 | exobyte | ke6isf: it was an ughh, pain, if that helps |
| 17:45.04 | abrotman | if only |
| 17:45.16 | ke6isf | exobyte: I'll take you on your word there. =^^= |
| 17:45.19 | abrotman | mentor: he's been here for days .. no .. wrong answers .. and generally annoying |
| 17:45.22 | FieldySnuts | useful to abuse (i'm done by the way) |
| 17:45.25 | peterS | mentor: I very much doubt he will progress from asking questions to answering them, if that's what you mean |
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| 17:45.32 | jeffro | !kill Fieldysnnuts |
| 17:45.34 | harleyg | is dpkg an eggdrop? |
| 17:45.39 | peterS | jeffro: enough |
| 17:45.39 | asg | harleyg: blootbot |
| 17:45.40 | peterS | harleyg: no |
| 17:45.40 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 17:45.40 | FieldySnuts | moron, i stopped, you could too |
| 17:45.41 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 17:45.44 | harleyg | ok |
| 17:45.45 | miernik | ke6isf: while moving the bar, top shows: |
| 17:45.46 | miernik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.47 | jeffro | i did now |
| 17:45.51 | mentor | jeffro: Stop that now, please... |
| 17:45.58 | FieldySnuts | yyyeah righto mate |
| 17:46.02 | jeffro | i DID |
| 17:46.10 | FieldySnuts | brb, work to do |
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| 17:46.16 | ke6isf | Would somebody just pull the plug on him? |
| 17:47.02 | ke6isf | miernik: That's kinda weird. |
| 17:47.02 | RichardC | what version of the 2.6 kernel-image comes on the debian 3.1r0a cd? |
| 17:47.02 | asg | RichardC: 2.6.8-2 |
| 17:47.03 | peterS | RichardC: a reasonably patched 2.6.8 |
| 17:47.03 | ke6isf | miernik: What would happen if you reniced it to 19? |
| 17:47.03 | RichardC | thanks asg |
| 17:47.03 | nicoal | http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg |
| 17:47.03 | ke6isf | miernik: No, disregard. You'd have to kill it. |
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| 17:49.07 | jeffro | I appologize for all my actions but can someone debianize the following package? http://www.apex.net.au/~twalker/qtvba/qtvba-0.2.tar.gz |
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| 17:49.13 | stew | nicoal: if you are going to post that one, might as well post them all: http://www.livejournal.com/users/alanhorkan/3445.html |
| 17:49.33 | asg | stew: there should be an OpenBSD one that says 'Just fuck off in general' |
| 17:50.03 | nicoal | stew, nice |
| 17:50.08 | stew | asg: yeah wouldn't even need a picture |
| 17:50.20 | asg | stew: nope |
| 17:50.41 | ke6isf | miernik: Hey, how much ram do you have in that 166 you're having trouble with? |
| 17:51.13 | ke6isf | abrotman: Not yet. He hasn't inflamed me quite that much yet, but he's close. =^^= |
| 17:51.37 | jeffro | what did i did wrong now |
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| 17:51.54 | jeffro | i just appoligize and ask if some can debianize that package |
| 17:52.23 | ke6isf | It's not 'now', it's what you've been doing, which pretty much revolves around "being annoying". Apologies don't get through /ignore filters either. |
| 17:52.29 | bwlang | jeffro: i doubt that's going to happen in real time... |
| 17:52.34 | takatumi | jeffro: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 17:52.39 | furry | stew yes, I compiled lib_apreq and mod_perl2 |
| 17:52.43 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.49 | jeffro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:52.53 | jeffro | desnt work... |
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| 17:52.57 | furry | stew I've done the same thing on another server where it worked |
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| 17:53.02 | asg | jeffro: remove the leading space |
| 17:53.07 | ke6isf | jeffro: ...because you are putting a fscking space infront of the /. |
| 17:53.15 | jeffro | ok ok sorry |
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| 17:53.21 | stew | furry: have you tried starting without this modules? |
| 17:53.28 | ke6isf | Thank you, God! |
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| 17:55.08 | jeffro | too hard for me to make a debian package..... |
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| 17:55.36 | ke6isf | *headdesk* |
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| 17:55.56 | mymyopen | test |
| 17:56.21 | ke6isf | fail |
| 17:56.25 | ke6isf | fail |
| 17:56.35 | miernik | ke6isf: 160 MB |
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| 17:57.04 | jeffro | whats wrong i just want to use the program qtvba: http://www.apex.net.au/~twalker/qtvba/ but im too fucking dumb/stupid on how to install that |
| 17:57.22 | goccia | jeffro: you need qt-dev |
| 17:57.42 | ke6isf | miernik: That's weird. Running it now on a faster proc with less RAM, runs fine. |
| 17:57.45 | jeffro | oh ok il try and install that |
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| 17:57.48 | ke6isf | miernik: Are you running X on that box? |
| 17:58.01 | elirips | hello. how can i find out if my libc is version 5.2.18 or later? |
| 17:58.49 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc ? |
| 17:58.51 | dpkg | ii libc 1.1-11.3 abrotman's private gamp collection |
| 17:58.54 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 17:58.55 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 17:59.13 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 17:59.27 | jeffro | which one do i need libpoppler-qt-dev, libsmokeqt-dev, libsoqt-dev, libtulip-qt-2.0-dev or python-qt-dev |
| 18:00.02 | elirips | abrotman: couldn't find package libc |
| 18:00.09 | abrotman | yeah .. didn't think so |
| 18:00.10 | honschu | When I do "nslookup sdfkjifif.de" server can't find sdfkjifif.de: NXDOMAIN -> but "ping sdfkjifif.de" tries to ping 209.123.16.9 |
| 18:00.24 | miernik | ke6isf: yes, but only about 40 MB RAM is used |
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| 18:00.36 | miernik | and it doesn't mind the RAM at all |
| 18:00.54 | miernik | it just uses huge amount of CPU power |
| 18:01.06 | miernik | when moving the bar etc |
| 18:01.38 | miernik | and it was like that on evey Pentium I machine I ever had since ever |
| 18:01.44 | SimonRaven | jeffro: to do what? |
| 18:01.55 | jeffro | compile qtvba |
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| 18:02.37 | SimonRaven | do you know what the build deps are? install those first, then build it. visit new maintainer's guide at www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 18:02.38 | Ronin | PAss1word# |
| 18:02.43 | Ronin | damn it all |
| 18:02.49 | jeffro | i dont know |
| 18:02.52 | pusling | hmm.. my mplayer (marillats packages) crashes on unstable when using -vo sdl |
| 18:02.52 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 18:02.54 | Ronin | good thing its just a temp password reset |
| 18:03.03 | jeffro | does it matter i use unstable sources? |
| 18:03.03 | pusling | http://pastebin.com/324803 |
| 18:03.05 | FieldySnuts | pusling: ask them then not us |
| 18:03.09 | SimonRaven | oh i thought you were joking |
| 18:03.13 | FieldySnuts | we didn't make the packages |
| 18:03.14 | pusling | FieldySnuts: them as in ?? |
| 18:03.19 | SimonRaven | jeffro: no |
| 18:03.27 | wfs | Is it ok to ask an xfree86 question in here since #xfree86 is kind of empty? =) |
| 18:03.41 | abrotman | on debian? |
| 18:03.44 | SimonRaven | jeffro: you're using sid, and you don't know how to figure out build deps? |
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| 18:03.51 | jeffro | ypu |
| 18:03.53 | SimonRaven | good luck |
| 18:03.58 | wfs | abrotman: yeah |
| 18:04.00 | abrotman | !sidiot |
| 18:04.00 | dpkg | hmm... sidiot is anyone who runs sid without knowing how to deal with problems. Sidiots often have no idea what the BTS is, how to operate strace, gdb, or what fakeroot and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" fakeroot debian/rules binary; are useful for. |
| 18:04.02 | jeffro | im using sid because i want to use latest software |
| 18:04.07 | abrotman | wfs: ask away |
| 18:04.25 | wfs | Is it ok to ask an xfree86 question in here since #xfree86 is kind of empty? =) |
| 18:04.28 | wfs | sorry.. |
| 18:04.33 | wfs | I need help, i can't get my xserver to work with any other resolution than 360xXXX and only with vga driver, i tried changing the 'vga' for something else like 'nv' and the resolution in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 but nothing happends, any ideas? |
| 18:04.45 | drac | DEB_BUILD.. what dpkg just mentioned compiles package with all debugging flags ? |
| 18:04.45 | D3v1L | haha! sidiots |
| 18:05.01 | jeffro | oh so now im and idiot... |
| 18:05.01 | SimonRaven | got me too :) |
| 18:05.02 | abrotman | wfs: what card ? |
| 18:05.14 | SimonRaven | jeffro: it's not meant mean |
| 18:05.24 | jeffro | whats wrong with using the latest software |
| 18:05.29 | jeffro | i love the nwew kde |
| 18:05.32 | wfs | abrotman: I have a nvidia Geforce2 card innit, wait, lemme see what xdebconfiguration says |
| 18:05.37 | jeffro | and its speech function ^_^ |
| 18:05.39 | SimonRaven | well, you also have to have an idea how to fix it |
| 18:05.39 | D3v1L | jeffro 3.4? |
| 18:05.42 | jeffro | yup |
| 18:05.44 | jeffro | 2.4.0 |
| 18:05.44 | wfs | Geforec2 MX/MX 400 |
| 18:05.46 | jeffro | no |
| 18:05.47 | jeffro | 3.4.0 |
| 18:05.50 | SimonRaven | when it breaks. it's called debugging |
| 18:05.59 | abrotman | wfs: you might want to pick the vesa driver .. you should be able to get at least 800x600 out of that |
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| 18:06.07 | jeffro | as now |
| 18:06.13 | SimonRaven | for example |
| 18:06.13 | jeffro | kde is the only one unstable |
| 18:06.19 | D3v1L | jeffro which are the improvements? |
| 18:06.22 | goccia | jeffro: how come i'm using kde3.4.1 on sarge ? |
| 18:06.28 | jeffro | speech function for example |
| 18:06.44 | D3v1L | for english only |
| 18:06.44 | D3v1L | ] |
| 18:06.45 | D3v1L | ... |
| 18:06.50 | jeffro | cause you added unstable sources to the list |
| 18:06.55 | jeffro | d3v1l |
| 18:06.56 | goccia | nope |
| 18:07.03 | drac | unstable doesn't have 3.4.x yet |
| 18:07.05 | wfs | abrotman: trying :) |
| 18:07.16 | abrotman | does the nv driver support geforce2 ? |
| 18:07.17 | jeffro | il look up that page it has some highlights |
| 18:07.21 | drac | abrotman: yes |
| 18:07.26 | peterS | abrotman: 2D, yeah |
| 18:07.59 | goccia | sarge rocks so it works with a 2.6.11 fireforx 1.0.6 kde3.4.1 and more more :) |
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| 18:08.22 | jeffro | d3v1l: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.4.php |
| 18:08.30 | jeffro | actualy |
| 18:08.33 | D3v1L | jeffro thanks |
| 18:08.37 | wfs | abrotman: big improvement, i get 800x600 now atleast (what i said i wanted in XF86Config-4) and refreshrate 86hz (whatever that is.) |
| 18:08.41 | jeffro | i had stable sarge first |
| 18:08.45 | wfs | abrotman: but it still looks like crap, i have like 12 colours :) |
| 18:08.48 | jeffro | then i added unstable sources |
| 18:08.58 | jeffro | so i can use kde 3.4.0 |
| 18:09.04 | wfs | abrotman: if i substitute 'vesa' or 'vga' with 'nv' gdm says 'cant start xserver' |
| 18:09.07 | wfs | abrotman: any clues? :) |
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| 18:09.23 | jeffro | D3v1l: make sure you get 3.4.0 not 3.4.1 or 3.4.2 |
| 18:09.28 | SimonRaven | you're lucky you can still do that. libc6 might change, and you wouldn't be able to install sid to sarge |
| 18:09.33 | abrotman | wfs: don't make me give you a CGA monitor :) |
| 18:09.40 | jeffro | 3.4.0 is the most stable version of the unstable right now ^_^ |
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| 18:09.58 | wfs | abrotman: no clue what that is... i really don't know much about hardware.. :) |
| 18:09.58 | jeffro | oh and if you dont have kddts ksayit will crash |
| 18:10.32 | abrotman | wfs: super old monitor .. 8 colors iirc |
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| 18:10.42 | abrotman | wfs: look in the error log |
| 18:10.49 | wfs | abrotman: right, sec |
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| 18:11.08 | simplexe | hi |
| 18:11.49 | jeffro | but back to my problem whats the easiest way to make qtvba work on me pc (debian) |
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| 18:12.26 | simplexe | i insert a usb flashkey that contains data i can see it by lsusb but how can i acced to data ?? |
| 18:12.35 | jeffro | or is it easier to download mandrakes rpm and convert that or something? |
| 18:12.42 | wfs | abrotman: it's so big.. ;D |
| 18:12.43 | goccia | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 18:12.46 | wfs | *reading* |
| 18:12.52 | drac | simplexe: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 18:12.54 | abrotman | wfs: you want EE lines |
| 18:13.13 | asg | abrotman: not a quote one wants to see out of context |
| 18:13.22 | PandaKun | hey |
| 18:13.25 | PandaKun | if im running under a chroot |
| 18:13.28 | PandaKun | 32bit environment |
| 18:13.29 | jeffro | !hi |
| 18:13.29 | dpkg | hello, jeffro |
| 18:13.32 | PandaKun | should i install a iptables |
| 18:13.34 | abrotman | asg: i didn't do it! |
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| 18:13.38 | asg | abrotman: < wfs> abrotman: it's so big.. ;D |
| 18:13.42 | PandaKun | outside inside the 32bit environ or outside? |
| 18:13.46 | abrotman | asg: i know |
| 18:13.47 | asg | PandaKun: outside |
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| 18:13.54 | abrotman | asg: i get that all the time |
| 18:13.58 | PandaKun | alright |
| 18:13.58 | ke6isf | PandaKun: You kinda need iptables for anything remotely related to firewalling, IIRC. |
| 18:13.59 | PandaKun | thanks asg |
| 18:14.07 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 18:14.16 | PandaKun | ke6 and asg do you guys have like a template for a good itpables |
| 18:14.18 | jeffro | i guess noone knows what the easiest way is... |
| 18:14.33 | asg | PandaKun: if you known nothing about iptables, look at firehol or shorewall to generate one for you |
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| 18:14.39 | LSorensen | pad: iptables has to be one matching your kernel. 64bit kernel -> 64bit iptables needed. |
| 18:14.40 | abrotman | or ask #iptables |
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| 18:14.41 | ke6isf | PandaKun: It all depends on what you need. What asg said. |
| 18:14.43 | LSorensen | er PandaKun |
| 18:14.48 | abrotman | dpkg doesn't do rdepends ? |
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| 18:14.59 | wfs | abrotman: didnt get any (EE) lines at all actually.. |
| 18:15.04 | PandaKun | im asking itpables |
| 18:15.05 | PandaKun | ther ianctive |
| 18:15.05 | PandaKun | lol |
| 18:15.09 | wfs | abrotman: i think it's my config file that's a bit wacky, hmm |
| 18:15.11 | abrotman | wfs: what's the last line say? |
| 18:15.12 | ke6isf | PandaKun: I'm running services, so using my rules would be a Bad Thing in the firsst place. |
| 18:15.13 | PandaKun | and i just need to allow mysql connections |
| 18:15.13 | mrou | How do I use the motherboard "speaker" from command line ? (like console sound)? |
| 18:15.15 | PandaKun | and ssh. |
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| 18:15.34 | wfs | abrotman: Mouse0 ... succeeded |
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| 18:15.40 | wfs | (II) before that |
| 18:15.40 | LSorensen | PandaKun: if you run a 64bit kernel you must use iptables that are 64bit due to an alignment issue of some kind in the kernel interface |
| 18:15.42 | ke6isf | PandaKun: Install shorewall, tell it to open ports 22 and...well, whatever mysql does. |
| 18:15.50 | PandaKun | shorewlal |
| 18:15.52 | PandaKun | you 100% sure? |
| 18:16.01 | ke6isf | PandaKun: No, I'm 110% sure. |
| 18:16.01 | goccia | shorewall is very nice |
| 18:16.10 | PandaKun | are you 110% sure? |
| 18:16.16 | PandaKun | kidding. |
| 18:16.33 | ke6isf | =/ |
| 18:16.37 | wfs | abrotman: is there a setting somewhere that says how many colours or so i should be using |
| 18:16.47 | abrotman | !drxx wfs |
| 18:16.48 | dpkg | wfs: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:16.54 | PandaKun | .google shorewall configuration |
| 18:16.55 | PandaKun | rawr. |
| 18:16.57 | ke6isf | PandaKun: Also install nmap. |
| 18:16.57 | PandaKun | !google shorewall configuration |
| 18:16.58 | lanchow | Results for shorewall configuration on Google: |
| 18:16.58 | lanchow | http://www.<b>shorewall</b>.net/<b>configuration</b>_file_basics.htm |
| 18:17.01 | PandaKun | what does nmap do |
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| 18:17.03 | jeffro | ok the one that makes qtvba-0.2 on http://www.apex.net.au/~twalker/qtvba/ work for debian gets a virtual cookie!!! |
| 18:17.04 | dpkg | Google says shorewall configuration is at http://www.shorewall.net/configuration_file_basics.htm or http://www.shorewall.net/Documentation_Index.html or http://www.shorewall.net/1.4/configuration_file_basics.htm or http://www.shorewall.net/ipsets.html or http://www.shorewall.net/1.4/starting_and_stopping_shorewall.htm |
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| 18:17.12 | ke6isf | PandaKun: It tells you what ports are accessible on a given machine. |
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| 18:17.13 | LSorensen | PandaKun: tries to connect to ports to list which are open |
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| 18:17.24 | PandaKun | ooo thanks |
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| 18:17.45 | PandaKun | shorewall is just like iptables |
| 18:17.45 | PandaKun | o_o |
| 18:17.47 | ke6isf | PandaKun: Note, though, that nmap 127.0.0.1 from inside and thusly on your address from outtside may yield different results. |
| 18:17.48 | wfs | abrotman: ok ill try that |
| 18:18.04 | PandaKun | oo |
| 18:18.10 | ke6isf | PandaKun: No, shorewall *uses* iptables. If you apt-get install shorewall it should pull in iptables if it's not already in,. |
| 18:18.21 | PandaKun | can u guys show me a example |
| 18:18.24 | PandaKun | of how to allow port 22 |
| 18:18.24 | abrotman | helix: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318596 .. did you really file that ? |
| 18:18.25 | PandaKun | never used shorewall |
| 18:18.30 | PandaKun | yeah i got shorewall |
| 18:18.32 | PandaKun | configging right now |
| 18:18.37 | helix | abrotman: no, one of the ftpmasters was trolling me |
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| 18:18.47 | helix | abrotman: if you look at the return-path, it's pretty clearly james troup |
| 18:18.55 | jeffro | o guess im muted......... |
| 18:19.03 | abrotman | helix: ok .. i wasn't sure .. i didn't look at the whole text |
| 18:19.09 | LSorensen | PandaKun: no shorewall USES iptables |
| 18:19.14 | helix | yeah, I definitely did NOT file that :) |
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| 18:19.21 | abrotman | helix: i was pretty sure your grammar wasn't that bad :) |
| 18:19.21 | PandaKun | yes they alread said that lol |
| 18:19.27 | PandaKun | i just need a example of how to allow port 22 (ssh) |
| 18:19.30 | ke6isf | PandaKun: Also pull in shorewall-doc, and an easy yet painful interface would be webmin-shorewall - though I try not to recommend webmin if I can help it. =^^ |
| 18:19.30 | goccia | PandaKun: with shorewall you do something like ACCEPT fw loc tcp 22 in its rules config |
| 18:19.44 | helix | abrotman: well, his isn't either, he was faking it :) |
| 18:19.53 | simplexe | drac: how to load the modules usb-storage ... ? |
| 18:19.54 | abrotman | helix: i would hope so :) |
| 18:20.02 | LSorensen | ke6isf: the webmin interface is no easier than manual editing (which is mostly what it makes you do except with a web form instead of a nice editor of your choice) |
| 18:20.02 | PandaKun | shorewall/params.mgmt? |
| 18:20.08 | PandaKun | or /etc/.../shorewall.conf? |
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| 18:20.11 | helix | abrotman: how did you come across that? |
| 18:20.11 | MisterX | !hey |
| 18:20.12 | dpkg | Hello |
| 18:20.24 | drac | simplexe: as root, modprobe usb_storage and modprobe sd_mod |
| 18:20.25 | abrotman | helix: looking for sudo upgrade bugs .. trying to help a friend with a ppc box .. |
| 18:20.25 | ke6isf | LSorensen: True, but for point and drool, it kind of works - though you still need the state and documetnation. |
| 18:20.32 | illsci | hey im install sarge and installing lilo into /dev/hda fails for some reason |
| 18:20.36 | LSorensen | PandaKun: I tend to copy the defaults from /usr/share/doc/shorewall to /etc/shorewall, and then customize the files from there |
| 18:20.41 | drac | simplexe: modprobe loads, and to make them autoloaded on boot, add to /etc/modules |
| 18:20.41 | illsci | I have it setup to use LVM partitions |
| 18:20.45 | abrotman | helix: no .. i don't go looking for bug reports you've submitted :) |
| 18:20.46 | helix | abrotman: ah |
| 18:20.50 | illsci | is there some other place I should be installing the bootloader |
| 18:20.51 | helix | abrotman: no,I didn't think so |
| 18:20.53 | simplexe | okay drac :) |
| 18:20.57 | D3v1L | illsci try to setup in mbr |
| 18:20.59 | LSorensen | illsci: doesn't it default to grub? |
| 18:21.01 | asg | helix: and you believe him? |
| 18:21.07 | illsci | no it didnt |
| 18:21.08 | abrotman | helix: the package version is nice too |
| 18:21.10 | illsci | i wish it did though |
| 18:21.14 | helix | abrotman: oh god, yeah |
| 18:21.19 | illsci | I was trying to set it up in the mbr |
| 18:21.20 | LSorensen | illsci: and I don't think you can have /boot on lvm yet |
| 18:21.25 | PandaKun | ah i see |
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| 18:21.26 | MisterX | Anyone knows a good step by step instruction to compile a program which includes a makefile? |
| 18:21.27 | PandaKun | thanks soren |
| 18:21.29 | LSorensen | illsci: sarge does. |
| 18:21.30 | illsci | ahhh that would explain it |
| 18:21.40 | illsci | damn its not and it is sarge with linux26 |
| 18:21.42 | LSorensen | illsci: unless you are using woody, it should default to grub |
| 18:21.42 | asg | MisterX: the instructions should be in the tarball's README or INSTALL file |
| 18:21.47 | illsci | hmmm |
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| 18:21.52 | PandaKun | hey how come last time i used iptables |
| 18:21.53 | illsci | its 3.1 |
| 18:21.54 | PandaKun | and i got stuff from mysql |
| 18:21.56 | asg | MisterX: if not, 'make, make test, make install' usually do the trick. |
| 18:22.02 | PandaKun | saying "too_many_connections" and i turn off mysql and it went away? |
| 18:22.04 | LSorensen | illsci: odd. always defaults to grub for me. |
| 18:22.04 | abrotman | helix: maybe you should append the bug :) |
| 18:22.06 | grigora | does anyone know why parted would give such an error: "No Implementation: This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout!" I tried to resize my linux partition, so I resized the filesystem, then tried to resize the partition using parted but the got the above error. thanks |
| 18:22.07 | PandaKun | i mean turnde off iptables |
| 18:22.07 | illsci | damn |
| 18:22.09 | ontheDL | Ok, so I just installed the unstable distro, installed glutg3, but I can't get my openGL program to compile. Does anyone know where the GL/glut.h file is? |
| 18:22.13 | MisterX | I'll try that, thank you |
| 18:22.13 | illsci | it says Install base system |
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| 18:22.16 | helix | abrotman: dude, bdale was so pissed about that bug too |
| 18:22.17 | illsci | Install Lilo boot loader |
| 18:22.20 | abrotman | helix: why? |
| 18:22.23 | LSorensen | illsci: although I don't put /boot on lvm (nor / personally for that matter, everything else (swap /home, etc is on lvm) |
| 18:22.25 | helix | no idea |
| 18:22.29 | illsci | is there anyway to make sure this is sarge from the installer |
| 18:22.29 | abrotman | helix: it's legit ? .. or a total goof ? |
| 18:22.30 | illsci | ? |
| 18:22.35 | helix | but luckily we were all at debconf together, so I made elmo go apologize to him |
| 18:22.36 | asg | MisterX: if you haven't already, make sure to install 'build-essential' to get the standard compile and tools. |
| 18:22.42 | goccia | grigora: is a new sarge install ? |
| 18:22.46 | LSorensen | illsci: doesn't it say on the first page of the installer? how about at the boot prompt? |
| 18:22.46 | helix | abrotman: no, it was a TROLL |
| 18:22.54 | illsci | illr eboot it and see |
| 18:22.55 | illsci | hehehe |
| 18:22.55 | MisterX | ok Thank you |
| 18:22.56 | LSorensen | illsci: what does uname -r say on the second console? |
| 18:23.04 | abrotman | helix: i realize the bug file was .. i wasn't sure about the space thing .. i dn't see why bdale would get upset ... |
| 18:23.10 | PandaKun | wait so basically |
| 18:23.15 | abrotman | oh well |
| 18:23.18 | PandaKun | copy things from /usr/share/doc/shorewall/ and put it in /etc/shorewall? |
| 18:23.19 | wfs | abrotman: that was a really nice reconfigure, but it didnt write a new config file to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, hmmm, do you know where it goes? ;) |
| 18:23.22 | helix | abrotman: oh, the actual issue is real (and minor) |
| 18:23.28 | asg | wfs: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 18:23.30 | abrotman | !drxx wfs |
| 18:23.31 | dpkg | wfs: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:23.32 | Eclipser | is there a program to edit gif animations frame by frame? |
| 18:23.32 | LSorensen | PandaKun: the default config files yes. like rules and policy and such |
| 18:23.33 | helix | abrotman: bu I think bdale was unamused by the style |
| 18:23.35 | abrotman | wfs: see the last part |
| 18:23.41 | abrotman | helix: i can see that :) |
| 18:23.46 | honschu | When I do "nslookup sdfkjifif.de" server can't find sdfkjifif.de: NXDOMAIN -> but "ping sdfkjifif.de" tries to ping 209.123.16.9 |
| 18:23.55 | LSorensen | PandaKun: without them, that is what it does anyhow. having the defaults shows what it does now, and also has nice examples and documentation in them |
| 18:24.08 | abrotman | helix: hopefully they had a tiny laugh out ofit |
| 18:24.08 | illsci | no it doesnt say anything about sarge on the boot screen |
| 18:24.12 | SimonRaven | helix: :) |
| 18:24.15 | illsci | but there is a linux26 boot image to boot off of |
| 18:24.18 | mtnman | honschu: nslookup is deprecated. try "host" |
| 18:24.19 | LSorensen | illsci: what does it say for version? |
| 18:24.20 | illsci | which there wasnt on other disks i had |
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| 18:24.33 | ontheDL | Also, does anyone know if there is a package of FLTK available? |
| 18:24.34 | helix | abrotman: I think they did eventually... but none of the germans there seemed to understand that I didn't file it |
| 18:24.37 | illsci | uname -r on the console is |
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| 18:24.41 | ke6isf | honschu: what does dig return? |
| 18:24.42 | grigora | goccia: I am actually trying to do this from a Knoppix CD so that I don't have to mount the root partition |
| 18:24.45 | wfs | abrotman xf86cfg doesnt write it to the proper place either tho? =) |
| 18:24.47 | abrotman | helix: yeah .. well .. that will happen |
| 18:24.50 | helix | abrotman: I was conspired against by the bts admins too :( |
| 18:24.50 | illsci | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 18:24.53 | asg | honschu: is sdfkjifif.de defined in your /etc/hosts file? |
| 18:24.58 | LSorensen | illsci: sounds like sarge. |
| 18:25.00 | honschu | asg: no |
| 18:25.02 | abrotman | wfs: don't use xf86cfg .. use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:25.09 | abrotman | helix: those bastards! |
| 18:25.15 | honschu | I always get to 209.123.16.9 |
| 18:25.15 | illsci | i wonder why I dont get to use grub |
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| 18:25.20 | wfs | abrotman: i did, but it didnt write the config at the right place, (or at all?) :) |
| 18:25.24 | w_emfpilot | Hello all. I'm trying to install http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/audacity however the last pkg 'dependent' libwxgtk2.4 is not available.... why have that pkg listed then? |
| 18:25.25 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 18:25.25 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 18:25.27 | asg | honschu: if you install dnsutils, does dig 'sdfkjifif.de' also product the same result? |
| 18:25.28 | abrotman | wfs: ^^^ |
| 18:25.44 | honschu | asg: I always get to 209.123.16.9, it doesn't matter what "unknown host" I ping |
| 18:25.45 | asg | s/dig '/' dig/ |
| 18:25.52 | wfs | abrotman: now i get it, thanks :) |
| 18:25.54 | honschu | asg: I have dig |
| 18:25.55 | PandaKun | shorewall is a pain in the ass to use |
| 18:26.02 | honschu | asg: it's a lot of output |
| 18:26.07 | asg | honschu: well, that's odd. |
| 18:26.17 | ke6isf | honschu: OK, so what is that host then? |
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| 18:26.45 | asg | honschu: 9.16.123.209.in-addr.arpa. 86399 IN PTR signature.visual.com. (is that what dig returns) |
| 18:26.59 | honschu | ke6isf: No matter what "unknown" host I'll try to ping: I'll always get to this annoying webpage 209.123.16.9 |
| 18:27.13 | honschu | asg: no, dig doesn't return this |
| 18:27.22 | goccia | grigora: try with qtparted : if you see some funny hideen partition use cfdisk to resize |
| 18:27.24 | honschu | asg: dig or host says that this host is not availible |
| 18:27.25 | LSorensen | illsci: may have something to do with your choice of lvm setup. |
| 18:27.27 | asg | honschu: what nameservers do you have configured in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 18:27.29 | ke6isf | OK, so like I said, what is that host? What does 'host 209.123.16.9' return? |
| 18:27.35 | jayeola | hey chaps, do i need to reboot for `dpkg-reconfigure console-data` to take effect? i'm trying to get a uk-based keyboard on a laptop |
| 18:27.39 | LSorensen | illsci: where did you get the image from? |
| 18:27.43 | honschu | asg: t-online ones, I tried a lot |
| 18:27.46 | honschu | asg: one moment |
| 18:27.49 | ke6isf | asg: Heh, you're ahead of me. =^^= |
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| 18:27.59 | honschu | asg: 194.25.2.129 |
| 18:28.06 | asg | honschu: is that your isp's nameserver? |
| 18:28.12 | MisterX | I didnt work, i get this error when trying: make, make test and make install: No rule for making target '/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', need for 'Makefile'. Stop. I translated this because english is not my primary language. |
| 18:28.12 | honschu | ke6isf: 194.25.2.129 yes |
| 18:28.14 | honschu | asg: yes |
| 18:28.21 | Quibus | Help! I suddenly can't login anymore! The login process hangs when it shows the GNOME Splash screen! Any idea what's going on!? |
| 18:28.28 | abrotman | !hurry |
| 18:28.29 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 18:28.39 | ke6isf | asg: Wonder if t-online's dns got hijacked or something. |
| 18:29.17 | honschu | ke6isf: Other people told me _not_ to have this problem. Maybe in here is a willing t-online user who would test this. |
| 18:29.17 | asg | ke6isf: dunno, it's odd though |
| 18:29.25 | w_emfpilot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.32 | Quibus | I'm not in a hurry, but I i'm astonished by this sudden behaviour :( |
| 18:29.41 | PandaKun | so for shorewall |
| 18:29.41 | PandaKun | ACCEPT net fw tcp 22 |
| 18:29.44 | PandaKun | is that acceptable? |
| 18:29.47 | honschu | asg: It shouldn't be - I block this ip in my firewall - but it still sucks with dns email lookups |
| 18:29.50 | asg | Quibus: CTRL+ALT+F1, log in at console |
| 18:29.53 | PandaKun | in /etc/shorewall/rules ? |
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| 18:30.03 | Quibus | asg - I did that and started BitchX in it :P |
| 18:30.15 | asg | Quibus: what debian? have you upgraded lately? |
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| 18:30.26 | PandaKun | huh |
| 18:30.31 | goccia | yeah |
| 18:30.45 | Quibus | asg - testing, I update every day, but it worked a few hours ago and I didn't do upgrades then. I only changed my network config from DHCP to fixed IP |
| 18:30.57 | honschu | Is in here a willing t-online user who would tell me what they get when they do a " ping asdflkjdsflkj.de" |
| 18:31.06 | Quibus | asg - failsafe or other WM's also don't get it going. Not even xdm |
| 18:31.24 | asg | Quibus: if you kill the *dm and type 'startx' from console, does it hang? |
| 18:31.29 | zrf | i've loded the modules usb-storage but still can acceed to data ! |
| 18:31.32 | illsci | LSorensen: from here: http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:32.02 | asg | zrf: did you find out from 'dmesg' which drive it attached to and try to mount that (mount /dev/sdXY /mnt/point)? |
| 18:32.12 | w_emfpilot | allllrighty then thx all |
| 18:32.20 | Quibus | asg - I then get just an "X" background, nothing more... Seems hanging indeed |
| 18:32.26 | LSorensen | illsci: ill: you went and got how many of those? |
| 18:32.29 | asg | Quibus: no mouse moving? |
| 18:32.33 | illsci | just 1 |
| 18:32.36 | illsci | the first iso |
| 18:32.39 | kadigibox | !lol |
| 18:32.39 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a lOler. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 18:32.42 | Quibus | asg - mouse moves, that's not the problem |
| 18:33.04 | asg | Quibus: sounds like gnome is teh borked. Does the same happen with another window manager? |
| 18:33.09 | illsci | hehehe |
| 18:33.17 | illsci | hey its asking for grub now |
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| 18:33.18 | wfs | abrotman: works perfectly now! thanks alot! i owe you one! you totally made my day! kudos to you! |
| 18:33.20 | illsci | weird |
| 18:33.22 | goccia | PandaKun: see /usr/share/shorewall |
| 18:33.25 | grigora | goccia: doesn't qtparted use parted in the back? |
| 18:33.32 | Quibus | asg - I tried to login with fvwm from gdm, same result |
| 18:33.34 | Termina | Hey, I was hoping someone could help me. I'm missing /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon |
| 18:33.34 | abrotman | wfs: don't forget to tell the important people i'm a nice guy :) |
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| 18:33.41 | illsci | i guess my messed up partitioning scheme made it choose lilo for some reason |
| 18:33.43 | Termina | I do have it installed though |
| 18:33.48 | Termina | could someone send me it? xD |
| 18:33.48 | illsci | i had /boot on the lvm partition |
| 18:33.51 | asg | Quibus: anything in ~/.xsession-errors and/or /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:33.51 | illsci | and thats fixed now |
| 18:33.56 | LSorensen | illsci: that mirror is outdated. 3.1_r0a was released like 1 or 2 days after 3.1_r0 because there was a mistake on the cd |
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| 18:34.01 | Quibus | asg- nothing special AFAICS |
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| 18:34.17 | wfs | abrotman: i won't, ty alot =) bye |
| 18:34.18 | goccia | grigora: qtparted it won' work as well but you'll see lots of hidden partitions |
| 18:34.21 | asg | Quibus: okay, if you swtich from static ip back to dhcp, does it work? |
| 18:34.22 | illsci | jesus |
| 18:34.25 | illsci | i get to make another cd |
| 18:34.27 | LSorensen | illsci: besides if you just want one cd, use the netinst image (which is only 110M). It actually works better if you intend to update over the network later. |
| 18:34.37 | SimonRaven | w_emfpilot: it needs a rebuild. i built it locally. fetch at http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/debian/pool/main/a/audacity/ |
| 18:34.43 | illsci | well i want to put like a minimal system down |
| 18:34.52 | MisterX | asg: I didnt work, i get this error when trying: make, make test and make install: No rule for making target '/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', need for 'Makefile'. Stop. I translated this because english is not my primary language. |
| 18:34.53 | illsci | will that work with the netinst cd |
| 18:34.55 | honschu | I'm banned from #debian.de? Is this a mistake? How to get more info about the why? |
| 18:34.59 | LSorensen | illsci: netinst should give pretty minimal system yes |
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| 18:35.11 | illsci | well hmm i dont know rather just have a cd1 |
| 18:35.12 | mtnman | illsci: the change that was made for 3.1_r0a was to /etc/apt/sources.list. you could edit that yourself after installing. |
| 18:35.17 | zrf | asg: vfat as type ? |
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| 18:35.22 | illsci | ok |
| 18:35.25 | illsci | yeah thats no biggie |
| 18:35.26 | Quibus | asg - yep, works |
| 18:35.31 | Quibus | asg - I got on this IRC e.g. |
| 18:35.33 | illsci | its all done installing already anyway |
| 18:35.36 | asg | MisterX: well, you're going to have to look in the Makefile for viable targets then (the look like 'word: ') |
| 18:35.41 | illsci | i want to move over to debian from rhel 4 |
| 18:35.47 | w_emfpilot | SimonRaven: Right on thank you |
| 18:35.51 | Termina | Could I get /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon from someone? It's installed, and didn't come with it |
| 18:35.59 | asg | Quibus: true. That's just damn odd. |
| 18:36.08 | Quibus | asg - yes it is |
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| 18:36.17 | illsci | one of the guys who works here is a debian developer |
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| 18:36.36 | Quibus | asg - no other ideas? I did get a new gnome-session manager on the 26th, it seems |
| 18:37.03 | asg | Quibus: When you tried fvwm, was that via gdm or via startx? |
| 18:37.06 | Quibus | asg - but still, it worked a few hours ago, before changing that network config |
| 18:37.10 | Quibus | asg - via gdm |
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| 18:37.44 | asg | Quibus: well, if you get a chance, try to use startx (just exec the window manager in ~/.xsession) and see if it works. |
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| 18:38.23 | NekoNeko | oh people >_> |
| 18:38.32 | asg | Quibus: the only thing I can think of is some weird lockfile hanging around or perhaps disk corruption. Maybe the folks on irc.gnome.org have some ideas (or you could ask again here.) |
| 18:38.33 | grigora | goccia: can it have something to do with the fact that it's an ext3 and not ext2 partition? |
| 18:38.33 | MisterX | asg: maybe i found something usefull, it quits with that error message and i found the following in the makefile: Makefile: qtvba.pro $(QTDIR)/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf so do i have to point out where that file qmake.conf is specified? |
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| 18:38.39 | Quibus | asg - hey, that works |
| 18:38.47 | goccia | grigora: no |
| 18:38.48 | NekoNeko | anyone know the turn around time for when say a new kernel is relased and it shows up on the debian package list? |
| 18:39.07 | asg | NekoNeko: well, 2.6.12 hasn't arrived yet and it's been around for a while. |
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| 18:39.11 | SimonRaven | it's back |
| 18:39.23 | asg | NekoNeko: oops, apparently it has arrived. |
| 18:39.28 | Quibus | asg - so it does seem to be a GNOME problem |
| 18:39.33 | goccia | grigora: i won't start a flame but i use an old sarge installer... |
| 18:39.42 | asg | Quibus: or a gdm problem. You said fvwm exhibited the same behaviour |
| 18:39.49 | asg | s/our/or/ |
| 18:39.54 | NekoNeko | asg, just asking cause thinking about switching from gentoo |
| 18:40.10 | Quibus | asg - I'll try that again |
| 18:40.14 | illsci | whats the best way to automate debian installs |
| 18:40.15 | asg | NekoNeko: well, you can always use vanilla kernels, gentoo kernels, etc on debian. |
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| 18:40.22 | grigora | goccia: so why is it even complaining about the filesystem, shouldn't the partition be independent of ext2/3,reiserfs, etc |
| 18:40.24 | grigora | ? |
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| 18:40.48 | jshriver | Greetings.. anyone here use a Vid capt card? seeking recommendations... |
| 18:41.03 | stew | illsci: dunno about best, but fai is something to look at |
| 18:41.05 | jshriver | I'm looking at a Hauppage WinTV Go and WinTV Pro, and a ATI All in Wonder |
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| 18:41.19 | MisterX | jshriver: this is like an poll |
| 18:41.24 | stew | jshriver: last i loked all in wonder had no linux support whatsoever |
| 18:41.42 | stew | for capture at least |
| 18:41.44 | illsci | ive used the ati all in wonder card |
| 18:41.46 | honschu | asg: When I do a "dig fjlskdfjlaskdfj.adsf" I get _no_ "ANSWER SECTION" but I always get to 209.123.16.9 ! traceroute shows that I'll always get to "signature.visual.com" |
| 18:41.48 | goccia | grigora: try cfdisk |
| 18:41.49 | illsci | it worked for watching tv |
| 18:41.54 | asg | NekoNeko: the default stable kernels in Debian are patched 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 18:41.56 | illsci | using the bttv driver |
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| 18:42.04 | illsci | it was a while ago since it was working though |
| 18:42.11 | MisterX | asg: maybe i found something usefull, it quits with that error message and i found the following in the makefile: Makefile: qtvba.pro $(QTDIR)/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf so do i have to point out where that file qmake.conf is specified? |
| 18:42.14 | illsci | i think it was when i was using gentoo |
| 18:42.14 | asg | honschu: then I expect there is a routing issue upstream |
| 18:42.16 | jshriver | I've heard Hauppage was nice, and only $59 where I work, but also heard ATI All in Wonders where nice, but wasn't sure about support |
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| 18:42.41 | asg | MisterX: did you install the qt development packages? (/msg dpkg compile kde stuff) |
| 18:42.43 | jshriver | I was wanting to use either MythTV or mencoder for use as a DVR |
| 18:42.48 | asg | MisterX: also, #debian-kde might know more about that. |
| 18:42.48 | illsci | yeah i used to sit here and watch tv at work :) using mythtv |
| 18:42.53 | Quibus | Hmm |
| 18:42.56 | stew | jshriver: i'm happy with my hauppage 250s. but you shoule ask in #mythtv-users they'll know more |
| 18:42.58 | honschu | asg: You thing I report a error to my isp? |
| 18:43.01 | illsci | and xawtv too |
| 18:43.02 | jshriver | ok thanks |
| 18:43.03 | honschu | ask: think |
| 18:43.12 | Quibus | FVM does work, it just doesn't show anything, because I have no .fvmw file :) |
| 18:43.19 | MisterX | i have allready been to that site |
| 18:43.20 | Quibus | FVWM I mean, asg |
| 18:43.27 | asg | honschu: if the traceroute shows it leaving your network and going to theirs before landing at 209.123.16.9, yes. |
| 18:43.34 | MisterX | what package contains qmake? |
| 18:43.38 | illsci | does debian default to using exim? |
| 18:43.41 | asg | Quibus: oh, so a gnome/gdm issue |
| 18:43.44 | asg | illsci: yes |
| 18:43.48 | illsci | wow why? |
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| 18:43.57 | Mark62756 | hey |
| 18:43.57 | asg | illsci: because postfix wasn't written when woody was released |
| 18:44.02 | illsci | ahh ok |
| 18:44.04 | Quibus | asg - seemingly |
| 18:44.05 | illsci | but this is sarge |
| 18:44.07 | grigora | goccia: but cfdisk cannot resize partitions, right? |
| 18:44.11 | asg | illsci: and now with sarge, they just kept it. |
| 18:44.16 | illsci | k |
| 18:44.25 | illsci | i just hate having things i dont need or will ever use on my system |
| 18:44.25 | honschu | asg: Sorry for that question: But I do not know what you mean with network. |
| 18:44.26 | weedar | where/when does debian set the setterm attributes? |
| 18:44.29 | asg | illsci: a simple apt-get install postfix, qmail-src, sendmail, etc. will take care of things though. |
| 18:44.31 | illsci | im trying to build a bare bones mail server |
| 18:44.39 | jshriver | 1 more. anyone here know if a Lite-On 16x Dual Layer DVD+/-RW will work under linux? |
| 18:44.48 | Quibus | asg - but I get the same with xdm |
| 18:44.51 | Mark62756 | anyone know how to move from python2.3 to 2.4? can i just aptitiude remove python2.3 and apt-get python2.4 and it will be all good? |
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| 18:44.57 | asg | honschu: well, if the traceroute shows router hops you don't own, then I'd call your isp because they have an upstream issue. |
| 18:45.05 | MisterX | nvm i did a apt-cache search and found qt3-dev-tools should i download designer and assisten to? |
| 18:45.21 | asg | Quibus: weird |
| 18:45.21 | Mark62756 | =/ |
| 18:45.51 | MisterX | jshriver |
| 18:46.04 | MisterX | is it specified as dvd-ram in windows |
| 18:46.14 | jshriver | ? |
| 18:46.17 | MisterX | because it could be the same as i use at my other pc |
| 18:46.21 | jshriver | meant can I use xcdroast w/ it |
| 18:46.22 | illsci | wow like 450Megs used after installing |
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| 18:46.29 | MisterX | yes you can |
| 18:46.32 | asg | illsci: installing what? |
| 18:46.35 | illsci | debian |
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| 18:46.36 | MisterX | i have the same one ^_^ |
| 18:46.40 | illsci | this is a good thing :) |
| 18:46.45 | MisterX | its a great dvd-burner |
| 18:46.49 | asg | illsci: if you used sarge and it's dumb aptitude, then it will install a bunch of shit you don't need. |
| 18:46.56 | asg | s/it's/its/ |
| 18:47.13 | Quibus | asg - just tried again. With xdm I also get the GNOME splash and it hangs there |
| 18:47.15 | illsci | I didnt choose any default types of packages |
| 18:47.18 | LSorensen | illsci: js: most likely any dvd writer will work |
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| 18:47.25 | LSorensen | @#$@#$ |
| 18:47.26 | asg | illsci: for a barebones system, chose manual package install and quit aptitude. Then apt-get install what you need. |
| 18:47.33 | illsci | yeah thats what i did |
| 18:47.34 | asg | illsci: a barebones sarge is like 160M |
| 18:47.38 | illsci | oh word |
| 18:47.40 | LSorensen | jshriver: in my experience, most dvd writers just work using growisofs |
| 18:47.40 | dips | I want to install a production server, with samba+ldap and easy administration, what version do I use-I have never used debian before |
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| 18:47.51 | jshriver | 'k thanks :) |
| 18:47.51 | illsci | im going to reinstall then |
| 18:47.59 | asg | Quibus: how long have you let it hang before giving up? |
| 18:48.10 | stew | dips: stable is the only sane option for a server, /msg dpkg install debian |
| 18:48.18 | Quibus | asg - about 5 minutes |
| 18:48.25 | LSorensen | Quibus: any chance gnome has changed and is barfing on an old or broken gnome config file? |
| 18:48.52 | Quibus | LSorensen - well, testing has partly gnome 2.10 now |
| 18:49.06 | Quibus | LSorensen - but I didn't change it today! Just the network stuff |
| 18:49.12 | asg | eeep, partly gnome sounds bad |
| 18:49.14 | LSorensen | Quibus: you mean part of the transition mess in sid has hit testing? |
| 18:50.26 | Quibus | asg - yes, testing. gnome-session is 2.10 |
| 18:50.55 | BradP | is the 2.6 kernel compiled with SMP and HT support supposed to show 2 or 4 CPUs in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 18:51.26 | BradP | on a dual Xeon machine |
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| 18:51.40 | asg | Quibus: I think LSorensen is on the right track about a broken or old config. Something you can try is creating a fresh, new user, and logging in with them to see if the symptom shows up. If it doesn't, then your personal config has gone wacky somewhere. |
| 18:51.46 | asg | BradP: it should show 4 |
| 18:52.02 | BradP | mine isn't, any suggestions? |
| 18:52.08 | BradP | HT is on in the BIOS |
| 18:52.09 | asg | BradP: did you enable it in the BIOS |
| 18:52.17 | BradP | yes |
| 18:52.29 | asg | BradP: if you use a debian kernel image instead of a custom compile, does that also show 2 or 4? |
| 18:52.41 | Quibus | damn, my text console is all messed up. |
| 18:52.44 | BradP | haven't tried |
| 18:52.55 | Quibus | asg - do you suggest to make a new user and let it log in, to test? |
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| 18:53.06 | asg | BradP: I'd try that first, you might have missed something in your compile. |
| 18:53.09 | BradP | I downloaded the kerenl and used kpkg to make it |
| 18:53.11 | asg | Quibus: yes |
| 18:53.15 | BradP | always worked fine with 2.4 |
| 18:53.24 | dips | I have highpoint sata raidwith deb dirver for 3.0r2 , can I download 3.1 deb and install this driver?? http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/bios_rr1820a.htm |
| 18:53.25 | Quibus | asg - OK, I'll try |
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| 18:54.01 | asg | BradP: I know but you might have missed a config option. I know debian's smp kernel images work and produce the right results. That's just one way to verify if it is a kernel issue or perhaps a hardware/bios issue. |
| 18:54.07 | sciron | BradP> how many processors did you tell it to have when you compiled it? |
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| 18:54.08 | BradP | asg: are you 100% sure? what all options could I have missed? |
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| 18:54.33 | BradP | sciron: I told it max 8 |
| 18:54.35 | bwlang | i'm trying out qemacs... the status bar is a bit screwy... i think it's because it's expecting vt100 and i have TERM=xterm... how to i fix this? |
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| 18:55.22 | quiet | i see you |
| 18:55.23 | foo | What should I use to control my sound in debian? |
| 18:55.26 | foo | CLI if possible |
| 18:55.28 | quiet | alsamixer |
| 18:55.29 | joesbox | i see you too quiet |
| 18:55.30 | Quibus | asg - OK, hangs also with new user |
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| 18:55.44 | tarzeau | foo: aumix is what i use. but VolumeControl.app is sexy |
| 18:55.50 | joesbox | what about the alsa mixer? |
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| 18:55.53 | dips | does debian support rpm |
| 18:56.00 | joesbox | i use aumix too.... |
| 18:56.01 | foo | joesbox: What if I don't have alsa and am using oss? |
| 18:56.02 | shay | !tell Hermes about root |
| 18:56.13 | quiet | foo, then aumix should be fine |
| 18:56.22 | quiet | foo, else, apt-get install alsa |
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| 18:56.26 | nafra | hi there |
| 18:56.42 | tarzeau | dips: it has rpm package. but i wouldn't call that support |
| 18:56.48 | tarzeau | dips: what do you really want to do? |
| 18:56.56 | joesbox | yeah aumix basicly just helps work with /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer.... what ever is running those devices is a seperate beast |
| 18:57.07 | sbk | If I wanted to turn journalling off, and then back on, on a filesystem [this is to run some tests either way] will it use the same sizes/areas/etc when I re-enable the journal? [I'm going to use tune2fs -O has_journal to do this.] |
| 18:57.17 | sbk | oh, it's an ext3fs system |
| 18:57.34 | Quibus | cu |
| 18:57.52 | BradP | asg: any idea what all config options are neccessary? |
| 18:57.53 | nafra | each time I reboot the machine I have to stablish again the route table (route add default gw ...), any idea why this happens? |
| 18:58.07 | dips | tarzeau: I want samba + ldap + easy administration. I have fedore core 3 downloaded , should I being trying debian also |
| 18:58.19 | sciron | dips> i've never heard anyone call ldap admin easy.. |
| 18:58.21 | tarzeau | dips: haha. samba always sucks. |
| 18:58.27 | tarzeau | dips: ldap, nightmare |
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| 18:59.03 | tarzeau | dips: what's easy admin for you? webmin crap? yast shit? |
| 18:59.18 | dips | tarzeau: what do I do for the 300 xp nodes I have |
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| 18:59.36 | sciron | dips> convert them ;) |
| 18:59.38 | chill|LOMOR | _/-=- ( May I serve you ? ) - =-_ |
| 18:59.39 | nafra | dips: samba... |
| 18:59.46 | tarzeau | dips: you know. make that 300 OPENSTEP nodes |
| 18:59.58 | tarzeau | dips: OPENSTEP scales so much easier, one man can do all those... |
| 19:00.02 | dips | tarzeau: easy admin meaninf IMC or smbldap-tools |
| 19:00.03 | drac | chill|LOMOR: One Diet Cola, please. |
| 19:00.12 | tarzeau | dips: seriously, what do those nodes do? what kind of users you have? |
| 19:00.47 | nafra | Any idea why I have to restablish the route table each time I start the system? |
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| 19:01.14 | dips | tarzeau: I can't change the node type- client requierment but I can choose server - nodes are for medical transcription |
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| 19:01.59 | tarzeau | dips: hm, so you're cought in the edge |
| 19:02.05 | Spec | I'm trying to install a package (opennms), and it has a dependency of "j2sdk1.4", which is installed, but not by apt; how do I tell apt-get to ignore that dependency? |
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| 19:02.37 | goccia | nafra: up route add default gw xxxx in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:02.39 | goron | Is it illegal to remove copyright notices in a GPL file and then distribute it? Yes, it's unethical and in the case of a license change impractical..etc.., but that's not what I am asking. |
| 19:02.42 | dips | tarzeau: all client applications/hardware are for winxp |
| 19:03.07 | Spec | goron: read the GPL, I think it states that the GPL needs to be distributed with it |
| 19:03.34 | tarzeau | dips: what country/company? |
| 19:03.35 | smhar | why do I have always have errors when accessing non-us and non-free stuff from the sources.list? |
| 19:03.51 | dips | tarzeau: I have fedora core 3 installed, but I need some stability, I have driver issues for deb I think so I was wondering whicih version to download |
| 19:03.55 | Spec | !non-us |
| 19:03.56 | dpkg | non-us is probably where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 19:03.57 | tarzeau | !topicbadger smhar |
| 19:03.57 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that smhar didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 19:04.10 | Quibus | OK, I found the problem :) |
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| 19:04.23 | dips | tarzeau: country - india |
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| 19:04.38 | Quibus | asg - LSorensen: the problem was that I accidentally disabled the loopback device in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:04.58 | nafra | goccia: sorry but I don't understand what you mean completely... I have to write "up route add blabla" at /etc/network/interfaces file? where exactly in the file? |
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| 19:05.12 | goccia | nafra: bingo :) |
| 19:05.15 | Quibus | thanks for your suggestions though :) |
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| 19:05.42 | Quibus | advice: never accidentally disable your loopback device! :) |
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| 19:06.03 | smhar | !crypto |
| 19:06.04 | dpkg | Cryptographic software is classified as munitions (military weapons) under US export laws. This has changed a bit recently, but it's still legally problematic to export cryptographic software from inside the US. That's why the non-US (cryptographic) section of Debian is hosted on machines that are NOT physically or politically inside the US. Ask me about "non-US" or "non-US mirrors". |
| 19:06.19 | goccia | nafra: it's very very hot in here and i'm watching erwin crocodile :) |
| 19:06.31 | goccia | snakes at the full monty |
| 19:06.42 | Spec | is it possible to get apt-get to ignore a dependency? |
| 19:06.50 | Quibus | thanks and cu later |
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| 19:07.03 | relbs | How can I setup a .login file (or equivalent)? On some other unix systems, $HOME/.login would execute on each console or remote login, but that doesn't seem to be happening with my debian sarge system.. |
| 19:07.17 | stew | Spec: that is rarely a good idea, why do you want to? |
| 19:07.37 | dips | tarzeau: http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/bios_rr1820a.htm gives me driver for deb 3.0r2 , will this work with deb 3.1 , I need to dowload and try so I ask |
| 19:07.40 | Spec | stew: dependency is j2sdk1.4, which i've installed sun's .bin version of...not a dpkg |
| 19:07.42 | idis | relbs: that depends also on your shell |
| 19:07.47 | stew | Spec: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:07.50 | nafra | goccia we don't have that kind off stuff here in Spain, or at least I don't know them :( |
| 19:07.52 | tarzeau | dips: you have to try, dunno |
| 19:07.54 | zinx | Spec: use java-package |
| 19:08.04 | tarzeau | relbs: what's your $SHELL ? |
| 19:08.10 | Spec | what, so you're not supposed to use the .bin at all? |
| 19:08.15 | goccia | nafra: next to broadcast it will do |
| 19:08.21 | zinx | Spec: you're supposed to use it in conjunction with java-package |
| 19:08.21 | illsci | hey to get a bare bones system..... Im the Debian software selection in the Debian Configuration |
| 19:08.22 | tarzeau | there'll be a great talk on ZSH soon, www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ |
| 19:08.23 | goccia | next line i mean |
| 19:08.26 | relbs | idis: oh okay, so for bash it's .bash_login ? |
| 19:08.31 | illsci | if I choose select packages manually |
| 19:08.31 | tarzeau | illsci: get mac mini? |
| 19:08.39 | illsci | naw |
| 19:08.44 | illsci | :) |
| 19:08.45 | idis | relbs: you also have .bashrc for env settings |
| 19:08.51 | illsci | but how do i get outa here so i have like 160M install |
| 19:09.00 | zinx | Spec: java-package turns whatever .bin you downloaded in to a .deb |
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| 19:09.05 | illsci | if i choose install packages manually will it install stuff I dont neet |
| 19:09.06 | illsci | need |
| 19:09.07 | idis | relbs: .bash_profile indeed |
| 19:09.11 | zinx | Spec: so that dependencies can be properly handled |
| 19:09.15 | zinx | Spec: among other things |
| 19:09.18 | rbochan | illsci: why would it? |
| 19:09.19 | relbs | thanks! |
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| 19:09.50 | rbochan | illsci: by definition, basically, if you tell it exactly what to install, it'll install all you need |
| 19:09.55 | idis | relbs: there is a lot of doc in the info/man about the order the files are used, but mainly .bash_profile is what you want i guess |
| 19:09.56 | illsci | i dont know thats what i selected befor |
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| 19:10.10 | coywolf | !gentoo |
| 19:10.11 | dpkg | i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 19:10.14 | dips | tarzeau: will there be any advantage if I try debian after ermovinf fedora core 3 for samba production |
| 19:10.31 | illsci | and i didnt end up with a 160M install |
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| 19:11.44 | nafra | goccia something like this in the "iface ra0 inet static" entry: "up route add defautl gw 192.168.1.1 dev ra0"? |
| 19:11.47 | tarzeau | dips: try apt-get moo. yes there's a difference |
| 19:11.53 | tarzeau | dips: the difference is #debian |
| 19:11.53 | Zta_ | svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions. What device is it, I need permissions to? |
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| 19:13.08 | illsci | yeah damn |
| 19:13.10 | illsci | its like 400M |
| 19:13.19 | smhar | !non-us |
| 19:13.19 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 19:13.28 | Roadrunne | hi, how can I add a second IP to eth0? |
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| 19:13.51 | idis | smhar: non-us has been deprecated with sarge |
| 19:13.57 | goccia | nafra: up does the magic : yoy write up before route add bla bla at the end of thet file |
| 19:14.29 | smhar | !non-US mirrors |
| 19:14.30 | dpkg | non-us mirrors are the same as all other mirrors, or http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian-non-US/, or (for xx != us) |
| 19:14.30 | illsci | i wonder if he meant to get out of it befor it trys to go to a mirror and pull down the security updates and stuff |
| 19:14.46 | goron | Spec: I was not talking about the license itself. |
| 19:16.04 | nafra | goccia ok, but I had never done it before and it worked fine... what may be different/wrong now? (When I modified the route table it remained modified all the time) |
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| 19:17.07 | Zta_ | y |
| 19:17.10 | Nitty | anyoe help me with mouse in vmware ? |
| 19:17.10 | illsci | is there a debian command like chkconfig to turn services on and off? |
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| 19:17.28 | Nitty | anyoe help me with mouse in vmware ? |
| 19:17.29 | rbochan | man update-rc.d |
| 19:17.31 | Nitty | i have problem |
| 19:17.32 | shingouz | illsci: man update-rc |
| 19:17.39 | Nitty | if x window system running |
| 19:17.39 | illsci | k thanks |
| 19:17.43 | Nitty | mouse dont running |
| 19:17.49 | goccia | nafra: you said :"each time I reboot the machine..." if you do that way yo'll solve this problem |
| 19:17.51 | Nitty | i dont know what i must do |
| 19:17.55 | Nitty | !mouse |
| 19:17.55 | dpkg | well, mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG |
| 19:17.58 | smhar | Nitty, I have vmware on debian and the mouse works fine |
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| 19:18.13 | illsci | hmm its not on this box |
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| 19:18.25 | nafra | goccia yes, all right. thkxz |
| 19:18.34 | Nitty | !vmware |
| 19:18.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily |
| 19:18.38 | Nitty | !vmware mouse |
| 19:18.43 | Nitty | !vmware mice |
| 19:18.43 | Nomad__ | I'm running VMWare GSX on a linux laptop right now and it's fine in both X and VMW |
| 19:18.50 | shingouz | Nitty: /msg dpkg foo |
| 19:18.55 | Nitty | but |
| 19:19.03 | Nitty | in dpkg is not help for mouse |
| 19:19.17 | goccia | nafra: all the guru thinga are in "man interfaces" :) |
| 19:19.17 | Nitty | where i can found in linux usb mouse |
| 19:19.18 | Nitty | :\ |
| 19:19.33 | shingouz | Nitty: also, tell us what the problem is. what you run, does the mouse work in the console, X... |
| 19:19.36 | Roadrunne | hi, how can I permantently add a second IP to eth0? |
| 19:19.43 | nafra | goccia ;) |
| 19:19.59 | goron | Spec: Suppose you have written some piece of source code and licensed it under the GPL and you put a copyright notice at the top of the file (i.e. Copyright 2005 your name), and if I then would remove that copyright notice and distribute it again under GPL, would that be illegal? |
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| 19:20.47 | nafra | goccia: just another question: why I haven't ever need to set the route table in /etc/netwok/interfaces before? what has changed? |
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| 19:21.31 | Spec | goron: oi, i don't know :p |
| 19:21.35 | idis | Roadrunne: man ip? |
| 19:21.37 | Spec | goron: i see what you're asking though =p |
| 19:21.38 | Nitty | i dont know |
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| 19:21.44 | hecate | hi girls |
| 19:21.44 | Spec | !greenhouse |
| 19:21.45 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 19:21.48 | Nitty | i dont know how test mouse in console |
| 19:22.09 | nafra | Who needs a transltaion from spanish... I may help |
| 19:22.12 | SimonRaven | cat -v /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux |
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| 19:22.29 | rbochan | Roadrunne: clicky clicky... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=multihome+eth0&btnG=Search |
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| 19:22.38 | SimonRaven | nafra: ask in #freenode, lilo |
| 19:22.46 | hecate | can you tell me what's the best (user friendly,fast running) "mounting" program...eg how can i get my stuff into my floppies without much effort? |
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| 19:22.54 | nafra | SimonRaven aha... |
| 19:22.58 | Nitty | :| |
| 19:23.02 | hecate | because fstab @ xfce4 is buggy |
| 19:23.07 | SimonRaven | nafra: sorry, WALLOP lilo: Hi all. Can someone who can help with translation please message me? I'm talking with someone from Spain |
| 19:23.07 | hecate | !troll hecate |
| 19:23.24 | justin` | anyone know why during the sarge install it won't detect my dhcp settings? I'm using a simple 3com nic and a linksys router. |
| 19:23.33 | SimonRaven | hecate: use mount. easiest |
| 19:23.34 | sciron | uhm, dhcp isn't enabled? |
| 19:23.54 | goccia | nafra: maybe the new installer did it for you but i don't really know what the new installer does |
| 19:24.00 | justin` | sciron: uhm, no. |
| 19:24.05 | hecate | SimonRaven: im newbie, theres so different arguments and stuff, im a troll, please tell me something what has "ui" |
| 19:24.11 | hecate | SimonRaven: too much windows for me |
| 19:24.25 | sciron | Justin`> sorry, couldn't resist ;) |
| 19:24.30 | idis | hecate: just edit /etc/fstab once and for all |
| 19:24.35 | rbochan | hecate: try konqueror |
| 19:24.38 | sciron | justin`> never had a problem with sarges installed not picking it up |
| 19:24.43 | sciron | *installer |
| 19:24.43 | justin` | i've only had this problem with debian |
| 19:24.44 | idis | hecate: for floppies just use the mtools |
| 19:24.45 | nafra | goccia ah, thanks again... |
| 19:24.48 | hecate | rbochan: wasnt that some mozilla-like browser? |
| 19:24.49 | shingouz | hecate: mount /floppy, do whatever copying and whatnot, umount /floppy |
| 19:24.59 | rbochan | hecate: it's the KDE file mangler/browser |
| 19:25.11 | sciron | justin`> how many nics in the machine? |
| 19:25.12 | rbochan | you can mount and unmount stuff with it |
| 19:25.14 | PandaKun | hey |
| 19:25.17 | justin` | sciron: just one |
| 19:25.19 | PandaKun | where are plain text rules at for iptables? |
| 19:25.25 | PandaKun | the /etc/sysconfig/ doesnt exist |
| 19:25.35 | sciron | PandaKun> iptables -L .... you have to save them yourself ;) |
| 19:25.39 | grigora | I am using the the minimal Sarge CD and am trying to create a RAID1 device, everything works fine until it tries to create the filesystem, it them comes back with an error that the creation failed. I have tried different disks, but they all result in the same error, anyone is experiencing similar issues? thanks |
| 19:25.44 | sciron | justin`> it finds the nic ok? |
| 19:25.45 | PandaKun | argh |
| 19:25.45 | PandaKun | lol |
| 19:25.48 | PandaKun | i wanted to use the text thing |
| 19:25.51 | PandaKun | =[ |
| 19:26.01 | sciron | PandaKun> iptables-{save,restore} ... there is no de facto iptables front end |
| 19:26.12 | justin` | sciron: I assume so, it detects hardware then goes on to automatically configure the network for dhcp, then fails |
| 19:26.19 | hecate | idis: well, atm my cdrom type is iso9660 and floppy type auto |
| 19:26.24 | hecate | idis: what to edit there? |
| 19:26.26 | sciron | justin`> right @ the network detection phase, flip to another console |
| 19:26.35 | PandaKun | huh |
| 19:26.41 | sussudio | PandaKun: google for "panda slam" |
| 19:26.47 | PandaKun | ? |
| 19:26.55 | sciron | PandaKun> iptables-save and iptables-restore ... there is NO standard front end for iptables... |
| 19:27.07 | PandaKun | oh dammit |
| 19:27.23 | idis | hecate: /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto |
| 19:27.33 | hecate | idis: so it says |
| 19:27.43 | idis | hecate: /media/floppy auto rw,user,noauto |
| 19:27.44 | hecate | idis: isnt ro read-only? |
| 19:27.49 | PandaKun | so i minus will just use shorewall |
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| 19:27.51 | hecate | idis: because i have cd writer aswell |
| 19:27.52 | idis | hecate: indeed |
| 19:27.53 | sciron | justin`> right before the DHCP part I mean... you'll get more flexibility out of install26 from the boot prompt |
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| 19:27.58 | hecate | idis: i changed it to rw? |
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| 19:28.05 | hecate | hecate: i mean i change |
| 19:28.10 | idis | hecate: that doesn't work this way simply |
| 19:28.19 | sciron | justin`> *expert26 |
| 19:28.21 | rbochan | hecate: if you have a blank cd in there, you don't have it mounted to begin with |
| 19:28.22 | idis | hecate: you don't mount to write, you burn |
| 19:28.25 | justin` | sciron: that boots 2.6 I assume? |
| 19:28.31 | idis | hecate: then you mount ro to read |
| 19:28.35 | hecate | rbochan: thanks |
| 19:28.36 | Gokee2 | how do I zip something up from the console? "zip file file file" does not work it says zip command not found but I was able to unzip...... Any help? |
| 19:28.43 | sciron | justin`> uhm, I think it's linux26 for the default 2.6 kernel, I've never used anything but expert26 |
| 19:28.44 | hecate | idis: but i have wierd bug with fstab |
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| 19:28.50 | rbochan | Gokee2: install zip |
| 19:28.56 | justin` | sciron: what does expert26 do then? |
| 19:28.58 | hecate | idis: sometimes i cant get my cd out from the reader |
| 19:29.02 | hecate | idis: when i try to get something from it |
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| 19:29.08 | hecate | idis: it works all well otherwise |
| 19:29.08 | idis | hecate: it's still mounted |
| 19:29.32 | hecate | idis: ah ok now i figure it out, never knew what this mount and unmount really do |
| 19:29.36 | idis | hecate: and it's mounted because an app still uses it |
| 19:29.38 | sciron | justin`> loads the 2.6.n kernel and offers (i'm assuming) many more options during the install process... it's quite powerful |
| 19:29.39 | Gokee2 | rbochan, O thanks... why is zip not part of unzip? O well |
| 19:29.43 | hecate | idis: nod, thanks for help |
| 19:29.50 | justin` | sciron: i'll go try that |
| 19:29.57 | sciron | justin`> who'd have thunk of installing via ssh IN the installer? |
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| 19:30.30 | rbochan | Gokee2: because zip is unnecessary, but unzip sometimes is necessary |
| 19:30.38 | idis | hecate: mount means let the files become available to process |
| 19:30.42 | Schein | hi, how do i execute "touch /var/lock/foobar" as a system user? |
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| 19:31.17 | idis | hecate: unmounting is done for maintenance, and media removal |
| 19:31.28 | goccia | rbochan: good point : should be the same for rar/unrar |
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| 19:31.37 | Schein | su -c "touch /var/lock/foobar" systemuser doesn't work because a system user doesn't have a shell |
| 19:31.40 | hecate | idis: scramble/unscramble @ fstab is same as mount/unmount? |
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| 19:31.47 | rbochan | goccia: aren't therre seperate packages for that as well? |
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| 19:31.58 | idis | hecate: never used scramble? |
| 19:32.10 | hecate | idis: i barely know the meaning of that word, of coz i never used it |
| 19:32.19 | akhayyat | gdm login hangs.. i have to kill esd each time i wan to login (from tty console).. even after a reboot |
| 19:32.24 | hecate | idis: i used to be a bill gates worshipper:( |
| 19:32.27 | goccia | rbochan: i found the bloody licence warning one day and i got rid of that shit :) |
| 19:32.33 | akhayyat | after killing esd.. login succeeds |
| 19:32.37 | rbochan | I haven't used rar in ages |
| 19:32.53 | tech9iner | pardon.. 1st ever experience with sarge.. attempting netinstall iso.. no finding checksum on site for debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso Please ? |
| 19:32.54 | rbochan | but I believe the rar pacakge includes unrar |
| 19:33.13 | Gokee2 | rbochan, I see now about useing zip how do I tell it were to zip to? zip file file file zips but where? |
| 19:33.17 | hecate | idis: so what that scramble could do? |
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| 19:33.32 | rbochan | man zip |
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| 19:33.37 | idis | hecate: donno, not in fstab man page, maybe for encrypted fs |
| 19:33.48 | hecate | idis: ok thx |
| 19:34.15 | multi_io | is there documentation on how and when dpkg tries to check the signature of packages to install? |
| 19:34.16 | goccia | rbochan: exacty i just need unrar as for unzip |
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| 19:34.19 | idis | tech9iner: in a file next to where you downloaded your image |
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| 19:34.48 | justin` | sciron: odd, it does look like there is an issue loading the appropriate nic module, my card is 3c905 |
| 19:35.04 | sciron | justin`> that works perfectly on mine, you have a boomerang/vortex chipset? |
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| 19:35.18 | rbochan | goccia: unrar is freeware, rar is shareware |
| 19:35.20 | multi_io | I mean, I justr upgraded dpkg and now I can'T install any more packages ("Verification on package <bla> failed") |
| 19:35.38 | sciron | justin`> do you manually select the modules for it to attempt to load or let it do it's thing? |
| 19:35.45 | justin` | sciron: I forgot, it's either one of those or tornado |
| 19:36.02 | sciron | justin`> iirc, the tornado is a different module, not 100% sure though |
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| 19:36.08 | Gokee2 | rbochan, "zip [-aABcdDeEfFghjklLmoqrRSTuvVwXyz!@$] [-b path] [-n suffixes] [-t mmddyyyy] [-tt mmddyyyy] [ zipfile [ file1 file2 ...]] [-xi list]" I did it with -p test.zip and I still found no trace of a ziped file? |
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| 19:36.19 | tech9iner | idis thanx yet no.. got image from http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ .. Please show me ANY reference to checksums there.. links are direct download calls... not ftp / folders with checksums ? |
| 19:36.20 | goccia | rbochan: i see two of them : unrar and unrar-nonfree |
| 19:36.23 | justin` | sciron: let it do its thing. though when i ran the expert26 it said it couldn't load the module for the nic card |
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| 19:36.43 | sciron | justin`> that's a start. try to deselect the rest, I'll lookup the tornado |
| 19:36.47 | idis | tech9iner: md5sum file anywhere? |
| 19:36.56 | rbochan | Gokee2: since there's no '-p' switch for zip, I'm not surprised |
| 19:36.58 | tech9iner | nada.. http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 19:37.13 | shingouz | Gokee2: zip this-is-the-zipfile /and/this/is/what/you/zip/up |
| 19:37.27 | justin` | sciron: 3C905C-TX |
| 19:37.31 | multi_io | akhayyat: so it wants to play a song over OSS when logging in |
| 19:37.33 | sciron | justin`> typhoon? |
| 19:37.48 | multi_io | either deactivate that, or tell it to play the song over esd |
| 19:37.57 | idis | tech9iner: just copy the link and remove the file name in your browser |
| 19:37.57 | abrotman | tech9iner: md5s here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:38.04 | sciron | justin`> I have the list, trying to verify, that's a vortex I though |
| 19:38.05 | rbochan | goccia: hadn't seen the unrar-free before, must be recent |
| 19:38.05 | sciron | t |
| 19:38.07 | multi_io | or better yet, help making ESD die by uninstalling it |
| 19:38.14 | Gokee2 | Ok I got it |
| 19:38.18 | tech9iner | abrotman thanx mate.. thanx idis ;];] |
| 19:38.18 | Gokee2 | thanks :) |
| 19:38.19 | rbochan | goccia: it's also crippled |
| 19:38.32 | sciron | justin`> tornado it is... |
| 19:38.33 | salvia | i have a question, if i see in /var/log/debian-installation : |
| 19:38.34 | salvia | Jul 29 12:25:35 cdrom-detect: Searching for Debian installation media... |
| 19:38.34 | salvia | Jul 29 12:25:35 cdrom-detect: CDROM-mount succeeded: device=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 |
| 19:38.34 | salvia | Jul 29 12:25:36 cdrom-detect: Detected CD 'Debian GNU/Linux testing "Sarge" - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20041121)' |
| 19:38.34 | salvia | Jul 29 12:25:39 cdrom-detect: Detected CD with 'testing' distribution |
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| 19:38.41 | salvia | sorry... |
| 19:38.43 | abrotman | !tell salvia about paste |
| 19:38.43 | salvia | that means that its unstable version ? |
| 19:38.48 | salvia | yeah yeah abrotman sorry |
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| 19:38.55 | goccia | rbochan: my bad : apt-get -s install unrar The following packages will be REMOVED: unrar-nonfree so debian rules as usual :) |
| 19:38.57 | abrotman | it means .. it's an old sarge installer ... |
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| 19:39.10 | salvia | its okay to use ? |
| 19:39.12 | shingouz | salvia: no. it is an ancient sarge install cd. get a new one, sarge is stable |
| 19:39.13 | sciron | justin`> what happens if you're in the second console and try 'modprobe vortex'? |
| 19:39.20 | abrotman | !d-i salvia |
| 19:39.21 | dpkg | salvia, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:39.21 | sciron | justin`> or at least select the vortex module from the list? |
| 19:39.37 | rbochan | goccia: the unrar-free package won't handle rar v3.0 files, which basically won't let it use anything from the last 4 years or so |
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| 19:40.55 | ma3x | what will happen if i remove the swap partition, will system crash? |
| 19:41.07 | barry | ma3x: maybe |
| 19:41.08 | Nitty | hey |
| 19:41.14 | TheAsp | ma3x: without doing swapoff? |
| 19:41.15 | Nitty | Anyoe |
| 19:41.19 | barry | ma3x: depends how many programs you run |
| 19:41.19 | abrotman | ma3x: depends if you use all your RAM or not |
| 19:41.21 | goccia | rbochan: that's why i have the REMOVE on my dirty soul |
| 19:41.22 | Nitty | i need help with mouse under KDE |
| 19:41.23 | Nitty | :\ |
| 19:41.29 | Nitty | i have usb mouse |
| 19:41.32 | Nitty | and it dont work |
| 19:41.33 | abrotman | ma3x: as soon as you use all RAM .. system dies! .. or processes get killed |
| 19:41.34 | ma3x | well i have 1 G ram |
| 19:41.36 | shingouz | Nitty: just ask your question |
| 19:41.39 | Nitty | i have WMvare |
| 19:41.40 | shingouz | dammit |
| 19:41.41 | Nitty | ?? |
| 19:41.41 | ma3x | and the df -h shows 0 of swap is used |
| 19:41.42 | goron | Suppose someone has written some piece of source code and licensed it under the GPL and you put a copyright notice at the top of the file (i.e. Copyright 2005 your name), and if I then would remove that copyright notice and distribute it again under GPL, would that be illegal? |
| 19:41.47 | Nitty | what |
| 19:41.53 | TheAsp | ma3x: df doesn't show swap usage. |
| 19:41.55 | abrotman | goron: probably |
| 19:42.13 | shingouz | Nitty: do not msg me |
| 19:42.22 | shingouz | !tell nitty about ask |
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| 19:42.27 | Nitty | ? |
| 19:42.28 | shingouz | !tell nitty about msg |
| 19:42.38 | ma3x | ok, i want to delete the swap, what should i do? |
| 19:42.39 | abrotman | goron: maybe ask #gnu ? |
| 19:42.55 | justin` | sciron: I have 9 million nics laying around I'll use one with a different chipset for the install :P |
| 19:43.01 | sciron | gotcha |
| 19:43.05 | barry | Ok, I moved from Kubuntu, which I was not happy with, a month or so ago...one feature I miss is being able to start a new KDM session without having root permissions |
| 19:43.38 | abrotman | barry: wrong channel |
| 19:43.44 | abrotman | barry: oh wait .. moved to what ? |
| 19:43.51 | barry | debian, of course |
| 19:43.57 | abrotman | maybe ask .. #debian-kde ? |
| 19:43.58 | nomeata | Hi. Would it possible for cups to provide an inet.d-based mode, for people that want their RAM and print rarely? |
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| 19:44.28 | TheAsp | nomeata: that is what swap is for |
| 19:44.41 | Nitty | why |
| 19:44.54 | Nitty | WHERE i can FIND settings about mice |
| 19:45.01 | Nitty | and testing program for mice if it is up |
| 19:45.27 | hecate | idis: hmm still the same problem |
| 19:45.36 | hecate | idis: when i use fstab and copy something from cd |
| 19:45.37 | idis | Nitty: for console testing you can apt-get install gpm |
| 19:45.37 | abrotman | mdetect ? |
| 19:45.40 | hecate | idis: it works, but then i close fstab |
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| 19:45.55 | ma3x | i did 'swapoff -a' can i delete it now? |
| 19:46.02 | hecate | idis: and cant get cdrom out from the device, since the button wont respond and beating it with a sledgehammer dosnt help neither |
| 19:46.18 | idis | hecate: tried unmounting first? |
| 19:46.22 | ma3x | i want to delete the swap because there is another ext partition which i cant delete without deleting the swap |
| 19:46.29 | ma3x | and i want to erase that windows partition |
| 19:46.30 | TheAsp | hecate: use eject |
| 19:46.33 | ma3x | stupid fuk win |
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| 19:46.36 | hecate | idis: couldnt find the unmount stuff, check once more i tought it auto-unmounts,shrug |
| 19:46.46 | idis | umount /media/cdrom/ |
| 19:46.59 | TheAsp | ma3x: do you have swap as a file or something? |
| 19:46.59 | barry | ma3x: when you swapoff, it's unmounted, I believe, so you can remove the partition |
| 19:47.03 | idis | hecate: or eject as mentionned |
| 19:47.10 | barry | ma3x: or delete the file |
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| 19:47.20 | ma3x | where is the swap file located at? |
| 19:47.25 | shingouz | hecate: umount the cdrom. umount, not unmount |
| 19:47.30 | Aradorn | anyonehere know much about dyndns and setting it up with apache that could give me some help? |
| 19:47.36 | barry | ma3x: do you have a swap partition or a swap file? |
| 19:47.38 | TheAsp | ma3x: why did you say that df said you swap was 0% used? |
| 19:47.46 | _cds | Length: 391,739,392 [text/plain] <--- is that right for the DVD ISO Disk 1? |
| 19:47.55 | ma3x | TheAsp : got confused, it was the TMP |
| 19:47.59 | TheAsp | ah |
| 19:48.12 | ma3x | barry: i believe swap partition |
| 19:48.17 | idis | _cds: check with md5sum |
| 19:48.28 | TheAsp | ma3x: ok, why do you think you need to remove your swap? |
| 19:48.30 | ma3x | but is the tmpfs using the swap partition? |
| 19:48.35 | hecate | idis: ok worked |
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| 19:48.39 | ma3x | TheAsp: hold on i'll tell u |
| 19:48.46 | nomeata | TheAsp: Why loading something into memory and then move it to swap, when you probably don't use it anyway? |
| 19:48.51 | TheAsp | ma3x: tmpfs uses ram or swap. if you swapoff'd then its only using memory |
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| 19:49.06 | TheAsp | nomeata: you said you printed occasionally |
| 19:49.10 | _cds | idis: I did that, they both failed.. but I know at least disk 2 is currupt by the filesize |
| 19:49.12 | idis | hecate: sometimes umount would say cannot umount, that means a process still accesses the disk |
| 19:49.24 | TheAsp | nomeata: if its in swap, its not in memory, but still effectivly running |
| 19:49.31 | ma3x | TheAsp : i want to remove it because i have one extended partition and swap is attached to it |
| 19:49.31 | idis | hecate: then you would need to kill that process |
| 19:49.34 | ma3x | can i make swap alone? |
| 19:49.35 | Nitty | !set up |
| 19:49.35 | dpkg | i heard set up is in woody |
| 19:49.37 | Nitty | ahh |
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| 19:49.47 | TheAsp | ma3x: oh, you ment msdos extended partition, not ext? |
| 19:49.48 | Nitty | how to resetup any aplicatioon ? |
| 19:49.49 | abrotman | !mdetect |
| 19:49.49 | idis | _cds: then you have your answer |
| 19:49.55 | abrotman | Nitty: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:49.58 | TheAsp | ma3x: yes, after swapoff it's safe to delete |
| 19:50.01 | shingouz | Nitty: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 19:50.02 | abrotman | !tell Nitty about refcard |
| 19:50.17 | ma3x | hey this is stupid |
| 19:50.22 | _cds | idis: Do you have the dize for disk 1 in bytes? |
| 19:50.26 | ma3x | i can't remove the fukin winnie partition now |
| 19:50.27 | _cds | size* |
| 19:50.41 | idis | _cds: I never downloaded a full cd, just a businesscard |
| 19:50.48 | ma3x | well /dev/hda1 is win, /dev/hda2 is deb |
| 19:50.52 | barry | ma3x: I kept mine...make sure it isn't mounted |
| 19:50.59 | ma3x | why it's not allowing me to rm it? |
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| 19:51.07 | _cds | idis: ah, nm then :) |
| 19:51.11 | barry | ma3x: make sure it isn't mounted |
| 19:51.13 | ma3x | barry: make sure it's not mounted what? |
| 19:51.15 | tarzeau | !seen caphuso |
| 19:51.17 | dpkg | caphuso <foobar@p5481D7E3.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13d 12h 38m 12s ago, saying: 'kzjx'. |
| 19:51.28 | tarzeau | 13 DAYS ? wtf happened? |
| 19:51.28 | ma3x | barry: what did you kept, the swap? |
| 19:51.30 | barry | ma3x: wait, what are you using to remove partitions? |
| 19:51.36 | ma3x | qtparted |
| 19:51.39 | ma3x | maybe i should fdisk it |
| 19:51.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: vaca ? |
| 19:51.48 | TNKS | hi all. I started compiling my kernels with --append-to-version, but update-grub isn't quite putting the kernels in the order I prefer. What's a nice way to deal with this? |
| 19:51.49 | ma3x | barry: make sure it isn't mounted what?!? |
| 19:51.55 | ma3x | the win partition? |
| 19:51.59 | barry | ma3x: yes |
| 19:52.04 | ma3x | it isn't! |
| 19:52.09 | ma3x | now i'll try fdisk |
| 19:52.16 | ma3x | the old good blacksmith!> |
| 19:52.20 | barry | ma3x: I'd be careful |
| 19:52.20 | goccia | but you are in the same disk |
| 19:52.25 | shingouz | ma3x: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:52.35 | barry | ma3x: if you're not careful, fdisk will f your disk |
| 19:52.39 | ma3x | shingouz : get rid of winnie :)) hehehee |
| 19:52.56 | shingouz | ma3x: why not just mkfs that partition then |
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| 19:52.57 | ma3x | shingouz the musketeer |
| 19:53.09 | stuarta | TNKS: put the one you want to boot first at the top of the list in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:53.20 | ma3x | shingouz : i see mkfs is to build a filesystem |
| 19:53.23 | shingouz | ma3x: and what do the musketeers have to do withy anything |
| 19:53.25 | ma3x | how would that delete win? |
| 19:53.36 | stuarta | TNKS: The comments will tell you where to put it so update-grub doesn't nuke it. |
| 19:53.41 | barry | it would format the partiton |
| 19:53.43 | shingouz | ma3x: about the same thing as format c: in windows... |
| 19:53.49 | idis | TNKS: or add a default option in your grub file |
| 19:53.55 | ma3x | The Shingouz, three fellows selling everything |
| 19:53.56 | ma3x | that can be sold, and even the rest if they get an additional pay. |
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| 19:54.06 | ma3x | those fellows are the 3 musketeers |
| 19:54.16 | barry | ma3x: and then you'd still have the partition, but it would be a linux partition, like ext2 or reiser3 |
| 19:54.23 | shingouz | ma3x: true. i have a perfectly good brooklyn bridge for sale. can i interest you in one? |
| 19:54.39 | ma3x | a bridge? |
| 19:54.43 | TNKS | idis, stuarta, I' |
| 19:54.45 | ma3x | better flying super boots! |
| 19:54.47 | TNKS | I'll look into it. |
| 19:54.57 | PandaKun | hey |
| 19:55.00 | ma3x | ok, why do we make this so comlicated |
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| 19:55.04 | PandaKun | what should i do if my firewall knocks me out of ssh |
| 19:55.07 | ma3x | can't i just run fdisk and delete /dev/hda1 (win) ? |
| 19:55.18 | shingouz | ma3x: just format the damn partition |
| 19:55.27 | ma3x | that's right boy! |
| 19:55.29 | idis | PandaKun: edit your iptables more carefully? |
| 19:55.34 | PandaKun | lol |
| 19:55.37 | PandaKun | i cant now im locked out. |
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| 19:55.45 | shingouz | oops |
| 19:55.50 | idis | PandaKun: too late then |
| 19:55.50 | goccia | PandaKun: AllowSSH fw loc AllowSSH loc fw :))) |
| 19:55.55 | PandaKun | yeah |
| 19:55.56 | PandaKun | i forgot to add that |
| 19:55.57 | PandaKun | LOL. |
| 19:56.05 | PandaKun | i was like SHIT I FORGOT |
| 19:56.06 | PandaKun | tried to cancel |
| 19:56.08 | PandaKun | but bam. |
| 19:56.13 | shingouz | PandaKun: you have just been fscked :( |
| 19:56.21 | PandaKun | yeah |
| 19:56.22 | PandaKun | =[ |
| 19:56.24 | PandaKun | i hate installing firewalls |
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| 19:56.27 | PandaKun | this was my greatest fear |
| 19:56.48 | idis | PandaKun: you won a free ticket to your beast |
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| 19:57.34 | ma3x | hey i was wondering |
| 19:57.38 | ma3x | is there a nice backup tool? |
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| 19:57.47 | shingouz | ma3x: tar :p |
| 19:57.48 | ma3x | with a boot cd? |
| 19:57.52 | idis | ma3x: no, there are many! |
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| 19:58.19 | goccia | i see in shorewall.conf : FOR ADMINS THAT REPEATEDLY SHOOT THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT bla bla bla :) |
| 19:58.26 | J-Ph | hi |
| 19:58.32 | ma3x | ok i want to backup everything on DVD, and make the dvd bootable and to autorestore in case somthing fuksup |
| 19:58.33 | coreyo | is there a package that will give me the xfree86 source that corresponds with the version that I am using in stable, or at least provide the xf86Version.h file so that I can compile my wacom_drv.o for it? |
| 19:59.03 | J-Ph | does anyone knows how to write directories in vfat that has capitals in their directory name? or is it due to another problem? |
| 19:59.03 | shingouz | Nitty: *DO NOT MSG ME* |
| 19:59.15 | shingouz | this is the second time in the past 30 minutes |
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| 19:59.22 | TheAsp | coreyo: apt-get source xserver-xfree86 should pull it down |
| 19:59.35 | idis | coreyo: no xserver-xfree86-dev or something -dev? |
| 19:59.41 | ma3x | shingouz : how do you tar.gz the whole partition? |
| 20:00.02 | TheAsp | idis: nah, all those are built by the same source package |
| 20:00.03 | coreyo | idis: on such luck on that front... at least not that I was able to find |
| 20:00.04 | J-Ph | in /etc/fstab >>> /dev/hda8 /home/jph/data vfat rw,user,auto,umask=0000 0 0 |
| 20:00.05 | shingouz | ma3x: i just tar the directory on the partition |
| 20:00.11 | coreyo | TheAsp: will it stick that in /usr/src ? |
| 20:00.19 | TheAsp | coreyo: no, ./ |
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| 20:00.35 | ma3x | shingouz : and then if your partition gets erased, you install debian again? |
| 20:00.44 | idis | TheAsp: anyway xfree is too big a trunk for me to parse it |
| 20:00.57 | shingouz | ma3x: depends on the situation but that is the basic idea |
| 20:01.09 | TheAsp | idis: hmm? |
| 20:01.18 | coreyo | TheAsp: so yes... if I'm in /usr/src :) |
| 20:01.23 | shingouz | ma3x: of course backing the rootfs up is a nice thing to do too.. ;) |
| 20:01.26 | ma3x | shingouz : is there like boot cd to browse for the tar and unpack it? |
| 20:01.27 | idis | TheAsp: would never get that one from source |
| 20:01.36 | J-Ph | anyone? |
| 20:01.42 | ma3x | so i won't have to install debian all over again |
| 20:01.43 | TheAsp | coreyo: cheater :) |
| 20:01.46 | shingouz | ma3x: almost any linux livecd |
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| 20:02.27 | ma3x | cool, know any small sized distro to download it in a hurry? |
| 20:02.45 | TheAsp | debian? |
| 20:02.46 | TheAsp | :) |
| 20:02.51 | shingouz | ma3x: hehe... tomsrootboot :p |
| 20:03.01 | fortysixand2 | puppy |
| 20:03.27 | shingouz | ma3x: define small btw |
| 20:03.41 | goccia | i say toms but if you are a pervy : trinux :) |
| 20:03.52 | idis | shingouz: creating #debian-philo ? |
| 20:03.53 | ma3x | small like to put it on a floppy :) |
| 20:04.09 | shingouz | ma3x: tomsrootboot i think |
| 20:04.13 | shingouz | goccia: huh? |
| 20:04.24 | shingouz | goccia: sorry. idis: huh? |
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| 20:04.27 | goccia | tomsrtbt |
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| 20:04.51 | TheAsp | hah |
| 20:04.57 | TheAsp | i dont even know if my floppy drive works |
| 20:05.00 | chupie | how do i add web sources to apt-get ? |
| 20:05.12 | shingouz | chupie: apt-setup |
| 20:05.17 | goccia | but i love trinux |
| 20:05.27 | chupie | shingouz, k |
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| 20:06.10 | idis | chupie: or learn to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:06.55 | abrotman | no .. use apt-setup |
| 20:07.04 | ma3x | well that tomsrootboot says Floppix has no hard drive support |
| 20:07.12 | pwned | I want a repository with amd k7 builds for most packages |
| 20:07.26 | ma3x | so how the hell u gonna restore the tar bkup? |
| 20:07.27 | abrotman | pwned: not from debian |
| 20:07.29 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:07.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:07.37 | shingouz | ma3x: wtf is floppix then. tomsrtboot, not floppix |
| 20:07.41 | idis | abrotman: years of newbie guiding created this script right? |
| 20:07.57 | pwned | abrotman: is there a debian reason for that? (= |
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| 20:08.18 | lvdsn | hello |
| 20:08.27 | nih_guy | hi everyone... i have a question about debian 3.1 (kernel 2.6): i have a shuttle PC (sb83g5) with a built in Gigabit Lan card... when i type dmesg i get this error: eth0: -- ERROR -- Class: internal software error Nr: 0x19e Meg: vpd: cannot read VPD keys....can anyone help |
| 20:08.31 | shingouz | ma3x: damnsmalllinux, zipslack, any livecd including knoppix (pardon my french) |
| 20:08.32 | lvdsn | how can I start at gdm with root ? |
| 20:08.41 | lvdsn | it can't allowed |
| 20:08.42 | pwned | it doesn't have to be officially approved by debian staff. |
| 20:08.44 | shingouz | lvdsn: you dont |
| 20:08.47 | ma3x | shingouz you okay? |
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| 20:08.54 | shingouz | ma3x: yes? why? |
| 20:08.58 | lvdsn | shingouz, but, why ? security ? |
| 20:09.01 | abrotman | idis: you think? |
| 20:09.12 | shingouz | lvdsn: yes, security |
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| 20:09.19 | abrotman | pwned: because .. the archives are already over 100GB ? .. |
| 20:09.28 | lvdsn | shingouz, is there any way to activate ? |
| 20:09.31 | idis | abrotman: just a guess |
| 20:09.35 | lvdsn | shingouz, is there any way to allow ? |
| 20:09.35 | ma3x | im on taht page http://www.wlug.org.nz/TomsRootBoot |
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| 20:09.45 | shingouz | lvdsn: why the hell would you like to do that then? |
| 20:09.46 | ma3x | but i don't see a link to the floppy version |
| 20:09.47 | websdale | pwned:I think I saw something like that on apt-get.org (for sarge maybe) |
| 20:09.53 | ma3x | only says Now comes in CD flavour as well |
| 20:09.53 | ma3x | [link]http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 20:09.54 | goccia | shingouz: ahhhh it's debian based this floppix :nice! |
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| 20:10.03 | illsci | hey |
| 20:10.08 | ma3x | ah got it, hold on |
| 20:10.10 | illsci | why does rc-update.d not work right |
| 20:10.15 | shingouz | goccia: i have no frigging idea what you are talking about now |
| 20:10.17 | illsci | sdf:/etc/rc0.d# update-rc.d portmap start 20 0 . |
| 20:10.17 | illsci | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.17 | illsci | sdf:/etc/rc0.d# update-rc.d portmap stop 20 0 . |
| 20:10.17 | illsci | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.17 | illsci | sdf:/etc/rc0.d# |
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| 20:10.25 | lvdsn | shingouz, it's only for test |
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| 20:10.32 | illsci | sorry |
| 20:10.38 | lvdsn | shingouz, do you know how ? |
| 20:10.40 | abrotman | illsci: don't flood ... |
| 20:10.40 | illsci | i didnt think it was that big |
| 20:10.48 | ma3x | what the hell ya doin illsci |
| 20:10.52 | salvia | abrotman |
| 20:10.53 | ma3x | go get some rest |
| 20:10.58 | illsci | tossin monkey wrenches :) |
| 20:10.59 | illsci | my bad |
| 20:11.00 | shingouz | illsci: what do you want to do. shut off portmap? |
| 20:11.02 | abrotman | salvia |
| 20:11.03 | salvia | u are using stable sarge? |
| 20:11.03 | illsci | yeah |
| 20:11.05 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:11.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:11.07 | illsci | its not working for me |
| 20:11.09 | abrotman | salvia: i am |
| 20:11.10 | salvia | YOU |
| 20:11.13 | salvia | cool |
| 20:11.15 | abrotman | salvia: thank you :) |
| 20:11.19 | salvia | can you send me /var/log/debian-install/syslog ? |
| 20:11.24 | salvia | the 4 lines say's detect cdrom... |
| 20:11.26 | idis | !wayttd illsci |
| 20:11.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, illsci? |
| 20:11.28 | salvia | those i posted earlier ? |
| 20:11.42 | salvia | pm me * |
| 20:11.42 | illsci | I am trying to turn off services with update-rc.d |
| 20:11.46 | abrotman | salvia: huh ? |
| 20:11.51 | illsci | and im doing something wrong |
| 20:11.54 | shingouz | illsci: permanentlyh or just once? |
| 20:11.59 | abrotman | salvia: why would you want those ? |
| 20:12.02 | illsci | permentatly |
| 20:12.07 | salvia | can you go to /var/log/debian-installer/syslog |
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| 20:12.20 | ma3x | uhm, excuse moi, how do i format a floppy ? |
| 20:12.22 | salvia | to see the difference between the server |
| 20:12.25 | salvia | my server installation |
| 20:12.33 | abrotman | salvia: can i ... ? on your server ? |
| 20:12.38 | shingouz | illsci: i think you need to remove the links, not create new ones. re-read the man |
| 20:12.44 | salvia | no |
| 20:12.46 | salvia | on your box |
| 20:12.49 | RolandU | hi all |
| 20:12.55 | illsci | update-rc.d portmap stop 20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . |
| 20:12.56 | illsci | dood |
| 20:12.57 | salvia | i would like to see what logs the installer of debian stable |
| 20:12.59 | illsci | what do you think i did |
| 20:13.03 | illsci | stop would remove them right |
| 20:13.04 | salvia | and compare it |
| 20:13.23 | shingouz | illsci: no. it would create symlinks to stop them at those runlevels |
| 20:13.24 | idis | illsci: would it not create stop links instead? |
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| 20:13.43 | illsci | hmm |
| 20:13.45 | ma3x | HOWTO format floppy? |
| 20:13.49 | abrotman | salvia: why would you want that ? |
| 20:13.50 | illsci | so how do you stop the service as well |
| 20:13.54 | abrotman | salvia: every machine is different |
| 20:13.58 | RolandU | Is it correct that laptop-net is supposed to find connections no matter whether they use static or dhcp-ips? |
| 20:13.59 | illsci | as make it so they will be off in those runlevels |
| 20:14.02 | idis | ma3x: mtools ? |
| 20:14.04 | salvia | because my sysadmin @ my isp tells me he installs stable |
| 20:14.06 | shingouz | damn. i do not want to rtfm update-rc.d |
| 20:14.10 | salvia | and i see 'testing' distribution in the install logs |
| 20:14.12 | salvia | so i want to compare. |
| 20:14.12 | shingouz | <sighs> |
| 20:14.16 | abrotman | salvia: easy enough to check .. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:14.22 | illsci | hey shingouz |
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| 20:14.26 | salvia | abrotman can u just do so |
| 20:14.26 | idis | illsci: just remove the links, or reread man |
| 20:14.28 | illsci | i read the man page |
| 20:14.32 | salvia | or ill ask another one |
| 20:14.39 | illsci | let me read it again |
| 20:14.40 | abrotman | salvia: i'm telling you how to check |
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| 20:14.43 | illsci | this is so frustrating |
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| 20:14.48 | salvia | yes, but can you just check those 4 lines, |
| 20:14.52 | idis | illsci: what you did just added more links to "stop" |
| 20:14.53 | salvia | for me. |
| 20:14.58 | shingouz | illsci: update-rc.d name remove |
| 20:15.06 | idis | illsci: you just need "not to launch" which is different |
| 20:15.18 | illsci | there are two sets of links |
| 20:15.20 | illsci | start and stop |
| 20:15.22 | shingouz | illsci: line seven on the manpage |
| 20:15.32 | illsci | stop should lnk it to a Kservice name |
| 20:15.38 | idis | illsci: and there is also "no link at all" |
| 20:15.45 | illsci | which would be remove |
| 20:15.46 | illsci | right |
| 20:15.46 | shingouz | illsci: you *remove* the links, you do not create links to stop or start |
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| 20:15.56 | abrotman | salvia: i don't have a machine here that i used the official released installer on .. sorry |
| 20:15.59 | illsci | well the outcome of making links to the stop |
| 20:16.02 | abrotman | salvia: i used RC3 for a few of mine |
| 20:16.16 | Toastie_ | My compilations die on stddef.h:214: error: syntax error before 'typedef' |
| 20:16.17 | Jeebus | does anyone happen to know if dvdrecord can burn, and windows and/or linux can mount, fat32 fs images directly? |
| 20:16.18 | illsci | OMG |
| 20:16.18 | abrotman | heh .. i'm not sure i've ever used the official one |
| 20:16.20 | illsci | dood |
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| 20:16.23 | illsci | i used stop |
| 20:16.33 | idis | illsci: that creates a command to ask for stopping the daemon, but that happens when you leave the runlevel |
| 20:16.37 | illsci | so why is there still S32portmap |
| 20:16.37 | abrotman | salvia: check your sources .. where do they point ? |
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| 20:16.42 | shingouz | illsci: no. the stop links make the services stop. removing them makes the services not available in the forst place. you cannot stop something that is not there |
| 20:16.42 | illsci | in rc0.d |
| 20:16.54 | illsci | hey can i just talk to one of you |
| 20:16.56 | illsci | because |
| 20:17.07 | illsci | this is annoying |
| 20:17.08 | abrotman | salvia: or ... dpkg -l adduser |
| 20:17.12 | abrotman | and tell me the version |
| 20:17.12 | illsci | I know what it does |
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| 20:17.14 | shingouz | illsci: update-rc.d portmap remove |
| 20:17.21 | illsci | i understand |
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| 20:17.45 | tech9iner | deb noob here mates.. G'Day 2 all.. an welcome to me ;] |
| 20:17.51 | illsci | when you do stop wouldnt it create a link to a K service name |
| 20:17.51 | shingouz | illsci: or just rm the links manually. you can also rename the /etc/init.d/portmap to _portmap or something |
| 20:17.53 | illsci | in that dir |
| 20:17.53 | salvia | i just need the 4 lines from stable install logs /var/log/debian-installer/syslog those start with Jul 29 12:25:35 cdrom-detect: |
| 20:17.53 | thingfish | hi tech9iner |
| 20:17.54 | Jeebus | Also, how can I prevent /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm from getting installed (and throwing me to a gui login) every time I update gnome packages, or similar for kde/kdm? |
| 20:17.56 | salvia | cd-rom-detected |
| 20:17.57 | salvia | to compare |
| 20:17.59 | illsci | ? |
| 20:18.04 | idis | illsci: true |
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| 20:18.08 | illsci | OK |
| 20:18.09 | tech9iner | at point of email config choice via sarge's THINGFISH.. PAL O MINE!! COO! ;] |
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| 20:18.11 | illsci | i didnt do that |
| 20:18.16 | idis | illsci: but that happens when you "leave" the runlevel |
| 20:18.16 | tech9iner | .. hehe |
| 20:18.18 | illsci | thats what im saying |
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| 20:18.20 | abrotman | salvia: mine are the same .. i told you .. i used RC3 .. check your sources file .. or dpkg -l adduser .. either will tell me what you're running |
| 20:18.31 | tech9iner | anyhoo thingfish or any one Please |
| 20:18.36 | illsci | hey idis |
| 20:18.49 | tech9iner | at netinstall iso cd email config step.. |
| 20:18.54 | illsci | this is the command i used : update-rc.d portmap stop 20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . |
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| 20:18.57 | ubuntu | hello |
| 20:18.58 | tech9iner | embarrassedly.. not sure which one.. |
| 20:18.59 | ubuntu | when I type |
| 20:19.01 | illsci | wouldnt that create links to everyone of those runlevels |
| 20:19.03 | shingouz | illsci: and that is the wrong command |
| 20:19.04 | illsci | to a K script |
| 20:19.05 | ubuntu | when I type "passwd" I get: passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 20:19.06 | illsci | ? |
| 20:19.08 | illsci | shingouz |
| 20:19.09 | illsci | go away |
| 20:19.15 | illsci | i cant talk to you at the same time |
| 20:19.23 | shingouz | illsci: once more. update-rc.d portmap remove |
| 20:19.23 | illsci | i appreciate the help |
| 20:19.23 | tech9iner | typical windBLOWz style email via evolution-2 here.. |
| 20:19.27 | illsci | I know |
| 20:19.38 | illsci | i want to know why its stop doesnt do what i think it does |
| 20:19.41 | thingfish | tech9iner: use the one that mentions SMTP |
| 20:19.44 | illsci | not how to do what you think i want to do |
| 20:19.48 | idis | illsci: right, but all you want is not to ask for stop, you want "not to start" |
| 20:19.58 | tech9iner | two mention smtp thingfish |
| 20:20.00 | illsci | well if im right |
| 20:20.00 | shingouz | illsci: in that case you need to tell me what you want to do |
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| 20:20.23 | illsci | and it creates links to K scripts in each rcrunlevel dir |
| 20:20.31 | illsci | well its not doing that |
| 20:20.31 | tech9iner | internet site directly via smtp?.. or smarthost via smtp or fetchmail? |
| 20:20.33 | tech9iner | Please |
| 20:20.44 | thingfish | tech9iner: yes, that one, internet site etc. |
| 20:20.44 | illsci | there is still Sportmap in rc0.d |
| 20:20.44 | shingouz | illsci: so do you want the service to start at each reboot? |
| 20:20.49 | tech9iner | for evolution-2 to use Please |
| 20:20.52 | idis | illsci: true, and they will be launched when you leave the runlevel |
| 20:20.56 | tech9iner | thanks thingfish ;];] |
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| 20:21.03 | thingfish | yes, the top option is the one you want. |
| 20:21.06 | tech9iner | funny meeting you here thingfish rofl |
| 20:21.16 | thingfish | hehe man, I'm glad to see you here! |
| 20:21.18 | illsci | idis, when the system reboots if there is Kscripts it will stop the service in each runlevel correct? |
| 20:21.26 | shingouz | illsci: no. |
| 20:21.32 | idis | illsci: you mistake the state and the command |
| 20:21.37 | illsci | ok |
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| 20:21.44 | idis | illsci: creating a K link is a command |
| 20:21.49 | tech9iner | btw thingfish .. |
| 20:21.52 | illsci | to do what |
| 20:21.55 | thingfish | tech9iner: yes? |
| 20:21.57 | illsci | stop the service in that runlevel? |
| 20:21.58 | shingouz | illsci: lets back up a bit. do you want the service to start in the first place? |
| 20:22.04 | idis | illsci: to stop when leaving the runlevel |
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| 20:22.15 | tech9iner | this install flew like the wind me matey!! ;] |
| 20:22.21 | illsci | well if its set to stop when leaving every possible run level |
| 20:22.24 | illsci | its not going to start is it |
| 20:22.25 | illsci | ? |
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| 20:22.31 | idis | illsci: stop is not done when you enter a level, but when you exit it |
| 20:22.40 | shingouz | illsci: just answer my question please. do you want it to start or not? |
| 20:22.42 | illsci | well if its set to stop when leaving every possible run level |
| 20:22.43 | illsci | its not going to start is it |
| 20:22.45 | illsci | ? |
| 20:22.45 | tech9iner | quite the antithesis of 4 days = still no install complete of 'you know which distro' thingfish rofl |
| 20:22.49 | thingfish | tech9iner: I hope the rest of your experience with debian is as positive. It's a great distro. |
| 20:22.51 | illsci | upon reboot |
| 20:22.52 | illsci | im asking |
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| 20:23.01 | idis | illsci: it's simpler not to start it first place |
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| 20:23.07 | illsci | idis |
| 20:23.08 | thingfish | hehe tech9iner yes, no need to mention *that* other distro. |
| 20:23.25 | tech9iner | rofl.. xactly thingfish |
| 20:23.32 | hecate | ok, can anyone tell me why is my AC_97 soundcard using maestro3 module instead of sb, and tells me some weird error while i use "modprobe sb" ? |
| 20:23.37 | illsci | for the love of god if there is no links, or links to Kservice name in all run levels, the service will not start? |
| 20:23.39 | jonkri | i have a lot of packages which i want to download, but when i type apt-get -f install <packages> it says "already installed"... |
| 20:23.40 | illsci | correct? |
| 20:23.40 | tech9iner | so now thingfish |
| 20:23.42 | jonkri | what should i do? |
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| 20:23.50 | idis | illsci: true |
| 20:23.52 | illsci | OK |
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| 20:24.01 | idis | illsci: but you don't need the K scripts at all |
| 20:24.03 | illsci | then if i use that command to make links to K service name |
| 20:24.07 | illsci | i realize that |
| 20:24.09 | illsci | i know this |
| 20:24.23 | tech9iner | i just logged in thingfish .. and im at a prompt?.. resolve me ignorance Please and point this gui-dependent foo to a desktop Please ;] |
| 20:24.28 | illsci | im saying that when i do the command i have pasted 10 times |
| 20:24.32 | shingouz | illsci: why do you need th K links ? |
| 20:24.33 | illsci | it does not create links to Kservice name |
| 20:24.40 | illsci | I DONT |
| 20:24.44 | illsci | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.45 | ma3x | how can i resize running linux partition? |
| 20:24.49 | illsci | thats not what im asking |
| 20:24.50 | deadcat | ma3x: you dont |
| 20:24.55 | shingouz | illsci: they already exist. that is what your pastes said |
| 20:24.57 | tech9iner | is there a default / preferred desktop like kde/gnome on sarge thingfish ? |
| 20:24.58 | ma3x | deadcat : why not, i want to |
| 20:25.05 | Morti | Yeah, you don't. |
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| 20:25.08 | deadcat | ma3x: remvoe the partition and redo then |
| 20:25.10 | thingfish | tech9iner: did you select desktop environment when you got the text menu? |
| 20:25.14 | illsci | yeah they exist but they point to an Sservice name script |
| 20:25.16 | tdonahue | ma3x, usually you backup your data, remove the partition and restore your data |
| 20:25.18 | tech9iner | yes i did thingfish |
| 20:25.18 | illsci | and not a K service name script |
| 20:25.22 | illsci | does it not change them? |
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| 20:25.32 | ma3x | how can i backup the whole / |
| 20:25.39 | shingouz | illsci: can you please tell us what you want to accomplish. please |
| 20:25.48 | deadcat | ma3x: tar or whatever commadn you know |
| 20:25.55 | hecate | ok whatta hell is maestro3, can anyone tell me? |
| 20:25.57 | thingfish | tech9iner: oh, well then, it didn't get your vidcard. do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to set it up. |
| 20:26.05 | illsci | I want to use rc-update.d stop 20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . and have it create a link to Kservice name |
| 20:26.07 | idis | illsci: the S and K script would point to the actual script which is the same, just launched with different command at the end |
| 20:26.11 | illsci | in rcrunlevel.d |
| 20:26.17 | tech9iner | mainly my recall was .. oh.. cool tanx thingfish ;] |
| 20:26.18 | deadcat | hecate: sound driver. |
| 20:26.21 | jonkri | i want to use apt-get to download a package which i have already installed but cleaned out of the cache. what do i type? apt-get -f install didn't work (says package already installed) |
| 20:26.24 | illsci | but there is not two scrpts |
| 20:26.27 | illsci | there is just hte S one |
| 20:26.30 | illsci | there is not S and K |
| 20:26.31 | shingouz | illsci: update-rc.d [-n] name defaults [NN | NN-start NN-stop] |
| 20:26.36 | tech9iner | assuming that'd be as 'su -' thingfish ? |
| 20:26.37 | illsci | i read the man page |
| 20:26.45 | thingfish | tech9iner: of course. |
| 20:26.58 | hecate | deadcat: but shouldnt AC_97 use sound blaster driver? |
| 20:27.04 | idis | illsci: shingouz sorry for the confusion |
| 20:27.07 | thingfish | tech9iner: when you select 'Desktop Environment', you get both KDE and Gnome. |
| 20:27.19 | thingfish | so they'll both be there. |
| 20:27.19 | Morti | How would one cat many folders recursively? |
| 20:27.22 | hecate | deadcat: since maestro3 aint working, im using aumix as a mixer and xmms still tells me that something is wrong with input |
| 20:27.25 | illsci | idis your actually helping |
| 20:27.25 | deadcat | hecate: dont know. my sblive5.1 uses emu10k1 |
| 20:27.38 | tech9iner | sounds like same o as where we met eh thingfish ;] |
| 20:27.43 | hecate | anyone here with AC_97 soundcard? |
| 20:27.51 | illsci | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2005-07-29 13:49 S32portmap -> ../init.d/portmap |
| 20:27.54 | illsci | See that |
| 20:27.55 | sussudio | !anyone |
| 20:27.55 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:27.58 | shingouz | illsci: the pastes you did here already show that you have the links there. you cannot recreate them |
| 20:28.00 | illsci | thats what i get after i run |
| 20:28.02 | deadcat | illsci: mv the link the |
| 20:28.10 | illsci | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.14 | illsci | OK |
| 20:28.17 | ma3x | is tar.gz better compressed than .tar only? |
| 20:28.17 | illsci | so it doesnt remove the link |
| 20:28.18 | shingouz | hecate: /msg dpkg ac97 |
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| 20:28.19 | illsci | and create a new one |
| 20:28.21 | illsci | to a K script |
| 20:28.25 | jetx | grok your chipset and google |
| 20:28.26 | idis | illsci: then all you need to know is there is one true script in /etc/init.d/, and it is called differently when linked with K or with S |
| 20:28.28 | illsci | thats the answer? |
| 20:28.32 | clarkk | ma3x: tar only is not compressed |
| 20:28.33 | deadcat | !tell illsci about enter |
| 20:28.36 | idis | illsci: you can only have one per runlevel |
| 20:28.38 | clarkk | so yes, tar.gz is more compressed |
| 20:29.10 | illsci | I know |
| 20:29.23 | salvia | who got here sarge-stable installed |
| 20:29.26 | illsci | I know how run levels work, im trying to figure out how rc-update.d works |
| 20:29.30 | deadcat | salvia: no one |
| 20:29.31 | tarzeau | salvia: yeh? |
| 20:29.38 | sussudio | !tell salvia about polls |
| 20:29.39 | DeadHorse | ?? |
| 20:29.43 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 20:29.44 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 20:29.51 | idis | illsci: if your point is just never to launch that thingy, you can just remove all links, it doesn't harm anything else |
| 20:29.51 | shingouz | i just have no idea why you would like to stop the service at all runlevels, illsci |
| 20:29.52 | illsci | so the deal is rc-update.d doesnt remove the link in /etc/rc0.d/Sportmap when I do : update-rc.d portmap stop 20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . |
| 20:30.01 | salvia | tarzeau can you go to /var/log/debian-installer/syslog and post me 4 lines starting with : cdrom-detect: |
| 20:30.03 | hecate | well sound worked before, i got some ess1988 something..sound card when i type lspci |
| 20:30.08 | shingouz | salvia: it is sarge or stable. it is not sarge-stable |
| 20:30.18 | illsci | your have remove it first befor you can add stop links |
| 20:30.20 | illsci | ? |
| 20:30.20 | hecate | but it stopped working and i dunno wheres the problem, maybe driver is buggy |
| 20:30.21 | salvia | sussudio let me ask my questions |
| 20:30.26 | salvia | sarge |
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| 20:31.07 | abrotman | salvia: not everyone has those lines .. |
| 20:31.15 | sussudio | fool |
| 20:31.15 | MisterX | Hey there ppl, what program comes closest to pbrush (paint from windows) except for gimp |
| 20:31.26 | salvia | k i just like to know |
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| 20:31.29 | idis | illsci: since in the end you don't want either start or stop, just have the links removed... it would be all simpler, and then try getting it done with rc-update.d |
| 20:31.34 | salvia | this is important for me. |
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| 20:31.38 | salvia | i payed over 1500$ for this server. |
| 20:31.42 | shingouz | MisterX: good question, i have never used pbrush |
| 20:31.43 | tarzeau | salvia: Jun 27 10:39:19 anna[1025]: DEBUG: ask for cdrom-detect, is installer item |
| 20:31.46 | tarzeau | Jun 27 10:39:19 anna[1025]: DEBUG: lowmem: 0, debconf status: net-retriever |
| 20:31.48 | tarzeau | salvia: Jun 27 10:39:19 anna[1025]: DEBUG: ask for cdrom-modules-2.4.27-2-386-di, matche |
| 20:31.48 | abrotman | salvia: everything you showed me points that you're using sarge(proper) .. if you're in doubt ... get the ISO i pointed you to .. and intsall it on a crap machine |
| 20:31.51 | tarzeau | s kernel |
| 20:31.54 | tarzeau | Jun 27 10:39:19 anna[1025]: DEBUG: lowmem: 0, debconf status: net-retriever |
| 20:32.02 | hecate | lol |
| 20:32.07 | illsci | I swear to god you guys could make a sane person kill himself |
| 20:32.08 | hecate | my new user dont have audio group |
| 20:32.11 | curt | i have a few general questions if someone has the time |
| 20:32.18 | hecate | what was the syntax for giving user a group permission? |
| 20:32.25 | hecate | eg add audio etc to new users groups? |
| 20:32.35 | shingouz | illsci: the problem we have here is that we do not kow what you want to accomplish |
| 20:32.37 | idis | illsci: the problem is sometimes the helper scripts make it worse than the initial problem |
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| 20:32.56 | jetx | gimp is nothing like paint |
| 20:32.58 | MisterX | ok i want an basic easy paint program where i can just color, draw and that kind of stuff without the extra stuff gimp and psp and ps has |
| 20:33.00 | PandaKun | =o |
| 20:33.09 | idis | if no S link for a daemon in the /etc/rc*, then no service launched |
| 20:33.13 | shingouz | MisterX: imagemagick? |
| 20:33.17 | curt | my monitor and video card aren't proforming at top speed |
| 20:33.20 | MisterX | il try that thank you |
| 20:33.23 | jetx | there are many. how about apt-cache search paint |
| 20:33.24 | mtnman | misterx: inkscape |
| 20:33.32 | MisterX | il try that one too |
| 20:33.33 | curt | would gnome desktop affect that |
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| 20:34.04 | MisterX | il try that too jetx ;) |
| 20:34.05 | curt | i have a 20.1" lcd and geforce fx5500 card |
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| 20:34.15 | illsci | I want to use rc-update to control the scripts that start and stop, dont give me alternatives, I want to accomplish understanding what the hell rc-update does exactly, because I have scripts in rc0.d that start with S and when i do update-rc.d portmap stop 20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . the Sportmap script is still sitting in rc0.d, so that would lead me to belive that it just doesnt delete the Sscripts it just creates Kscripts.....so do you have to use another |
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| 20:34.30 | abrotman | salvia: and for future reference .. don't /msg anyone in #debian without permission |
| 20:34.31 | curt | and can't get xserver-xfree86 to go past 1280x1024 |
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| 20:34.40 | MisterX | its because i just want something as close to paint as it can get just as close as xmms is to winamp ;-) |
| 20:34.46 | curt | should be able to go at least 1600x1200 |
| 20:34.48 | illsci | you can use update-rc.d portmap stop 20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . to create the Kportmap script |
| 20:34.55 | curt | anyone |
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| 20:35.27 | idis | illsci: I guess so |
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| 20:35.44 | jetx | curt: you can try hwinfo --monitor, note the v&h refresh rates, and see if they match up in your xf86config |
| 20:35.44 | idis | illsci: but that doesn't solve your problem |
| 20:35.49 | illsci | I dont have a problem |
| 20:36.00 | jetx | curt: not sure how great that is on an lcd though |
| 20:36.00 | shingouz | illsci: you have been trying to add links to stop the service when entering any runlevel. you cannot do that because there are already links to do so. if you do not want the service to start to begin with, just remove all the links and the service will not start at reboot |
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| 20:36.02 | illsci | I want to know what the tool does |
| 20:36.08 | muesli | hey guys |
| 20:36.09 | tdonahue | MisterX, inkscape is similar to adobe illustrator, KDE has KolourPaint which looks almost exactly like MS Paint |
| 20:36.12 | muesli | where is debian's non-us stuff nowadays? |
| 20:36.12 | idis | illsci: you don't want a Sportmap script at all in the end |
| 20:36.24 | MisterX | thank you tdonahue |
| 20:36.29 | jetx | curt: also, apt-get install read-edid (and mdetect while you're at it) |
| 20:36.34 | illsci | No i dont |
| 20:36.39 | jetx | and gpaint for gnome |
| 20:36.43 | illsci | i want to see a Kscript |
| 20:36.50 | jetx | less one |
| 20:36.52 | idis | illsci: so adding a stop link doesn't help |
| 20:36.54 | MisterX | yup its good tdonahue |
| 20:37.07 | idis | illsci: no you don't want or need a k script at all |
| 20:37.12 | illsci | NO SHIT |
| 20:37.16 | MisterX | i see kde is actually a kind of windows/linux clone o_o |
| 20:37.18 | curt | jetx i have the monitor info entered into the xf86config |
| 20:37.20 | illsci | but doesnt update-rc.d portmap stop 20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . create them |
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| 20:37.45 | idis | illsci: trust me you don't need a stop script if you don't want to start a script |
| 20:37.51 | jetx | okie curt i told you all i know :( |
| 20:38.00 | illsci | can you get over that fact and just assume for a second that I did want one there |
| 20:38.02 | shingouz | illsci: for the very last time before a nice /ignore. 'update-rc.d portmap remove' and portmap will not start anymore. '/etc/init.d/portmap stop' kills the daemon immediately |
| 20:38.10 | illsci | shingouz please ignore me |
| 20:38.14 | illsci | you would be doing me a huge favor |
| 20:38.18 | kadigibox | Is there a way to copy print jobs so you can make a single print job run 50 times or is there a PDF program that can let you print 50 times of a document |
| 20:38.24 | shingouz | *plonk* |
| 20:38.25 | idis | illsci: that is mixing the command to stop and the state "not to start" |
| 20:38.26 | MisterX | anyone know how to get the print screen button working in debian |
| 20:38.28 | curt | just as an example polyhedra screensaver at full speed and it just kinda crawls |
| 20:38.50 | shingouz | i just love cluebies without ears |
| 20:38.59 | idis | illsci: if you don't want the server to start, then no link at all, be it K or S in whole /etc/rc* |
| 20:39.00 | curt | that suold be blasting back and forth faster than you can see it at full speed |
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| 20:39.25 | illsci | idis: does update-rc.d portmap stop 20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . put a Kscript in rc0 rc1 rc2 rc3 rc4 rc5 rc6 ? |
| 20:39.27 | jetx | i feel so special |
| 20:39.42 | illsci | dont worry about what it does or what affect it has |
| 20:39.44 | MisterX | i got so much letters from microsoft |
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| 20:39.49 | dondelelcaro | illsci: it puts a K link, yes. |
| 20:39.53 | jetx | curt: what driver are you using? |
| 20:39.54 | MisterX | just because i was a betatester :P |
| 20:39.55 | illsci | OK |
| 20:39.58 | illsci | its not doing that |
| 20:39.59 | jetx | if you say nv i'll laugh |
| 20:40.12 | Spec[x] | MisterX: do you have vista? |
| 20:40.17 | illsci | it says there is already a link there, which I assume is because of the link to the Sserver |
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| 20:40.22 | MisterX | what is vista |
| 20:40.31 | MisterX | !tell jeffro about vista |
| 20:40.33 | Spec[x] | you're a microsoft beta tster? |
| 20:40.36 | curt | driver is the nv |
| 20:40.43 | SeTog3 | hi |
| 20:40.44 | jetx | curt: that's why |
| 20:40.45 | MisterX | sort of |
| 20:40.45 | Spec[x] | ...vista is microsoft's new OS that just went beta |
| 20:40.48 | idis | illsci: so then what |
| 20:40.48 | akhayyat | esd keeps hanging my desktop upon login.. i have to kill it to be able to login successfully.. any solution? |
| 20:40.51 | MisterX | oh |
| 20:40.53 | MisterX | yeah i have it |
| 20:40.53 | dondelelcaro | illsci: yes, you first have to remove the link with update-rc.d -f portmap remove; then install the links you want. |
| 20:40.56 | illsci | So you have to remove those links first befor you can add links to Kservice ..... |
| 20:40.57 | curt | both read-edid and mdetect are already at the newest version |
| 20:41.00 | Spec[x] | you didn't even know what it was ... |
| 20:41.00 | curt | when i apt-get |
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| 20:41.02 | SeTog3 | I have a problem with ssh X11 forwarding, I don't understand why it don't work |
| 20:41.02 | jetx | curt: you need to use the nvidia-glx stuff that's in non-free/contrib |
| 20:41.02 | MisterX | forgot longhorn was renamed to vista |
| 20:41.09 | illsci | THANK you! |
| 20:41.13 | jetx | curt: or the nvidia binary |
| 20:41.14 | dondelelcaro | illsci: frankly though, all you need to do is just remove the start links in rc{2,3,4,5} |
| 20:41.21 | illsci | yeah i know |
| 20:41.23 | dondelelcaro | (and leave the other stop links) |
| 20:41.31 | curt | im on it jetx |
| 20:41.33 | curt | thank you |
| 20:41.37 | jetx | np hth |
| 20:41.37 | illsci | i just wanted to know what rc-update.d did and now i know it doesnt automattically remove the S links |
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| 20:42.02 | MisterX | but specx if you want it il encourage you to get a older version of longhorn 4092 is one of the best releases |
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| 20:42.12 | illsci | amazing |
| 20:42.18 | Spec[x] | MisterX: I don't want it, I've got debian ;) |
| 20:42.24 | MisterX | yeah |
| 20:42.36 | MisterX | im happy with it and it get updated each time ;-) |
| 20:42.42 | albo | what happens in raid5 (2 disk) when one disk goes down |
| 20:42.44 | Spec[x] | I heard all these new features vista's coming with...but linux has had 'em for a bit |
| 20:43.01 | tdonahue | albo, you can't have raid5 with only 2 disks |
| 20:43.08 | MisterX | i only get windows for comptaible |
| 20:43.12 | MisterX | software |
| 20:43.13 | albo | tdonahue: whats the minimum |
| 20:43.15 | tech9iner | kernel.org mirrors always have been bout fastest 4 me thingfish |
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| 20:43.27 | lvdsn | hello |
| 20:43.29 | MisterX | damn still cant spell combetabile right |
| 20:43.32 | tdonahue | albo, 3 disks is the minium for raid 5 |
| 20:43.35 | Spec[x] | MisterX: compatable |
| 20:43.37 | Spec[x] | maybe :p |
| 20:43.39 | Spec[x] | !dict compatable |
| 20:43.40 | MisterX | nope |
| 20:43.41 | dpkg | could not find definition for compatable |
| 20:43.41 | spark_ | Hi there, I was wondering: is it allowed to use GPL graphics on a possibly commercial website? |
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| 20:43.45 | shingouz | compatible |
| 20:43.47 | Spec[x] | !dict compatible |
| 20:43.50 | dpkg | Dictionary 'compatible' (2 of 6): (1998-01-15) ;; 220 aspen.miranda.org dictd 1.9.15/rf on Linux 2.4.27-2-k7 <auth.mime> <297475.28732.1122669826@aspen.miranda.org> 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "compatible" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" compatible. |
| 20:43.52 | tech9iner | thingfish 504kb/s as i type.. woo hoo ;];] |
| 20:43.53 | MisterX | yes that was it |
| 20:43.54 | Spec[x] | whee, spelling 101 :) |
| 20:44.16 | Spec[x] | really fast intarweb speeds reminds me: i get fios on monday *hops* |
| 20:44.17 | MisterX | its because im dutch |
| 20:44.27 | tech9iner | thingfish heh.. kinda helps when i dish out that damn 85 bux per month here ;] |
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| 20:44.38 | MisterX | But i can speak english/american very well. |
| 20:44.39 | tech9iner | thingfish helps justify it that is |
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| 20:44.59 | MisterX | You'll be suprised to hear im just a boy 15 years old. |
| 20:45.07 | MisterX | ^_^ |
| 20:45.14 | tdonahue | albo, if you lose one of the disks in a raid 5 array, it will run in degraded mode using the parity data on the other 2 disks until the array is rebuilt |
| 20:45.29 | tech9iner | so.. anyone Please |
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| 20:45.35 | SeTog3 | someone can help me with ssh ? I have set the X11forwarding variable to yes |
| 20:45.51 | tech9iner | using a lexmark AIO x4270 on debian perchance please? |
| 20:45.53 | tdonahue | albo, and by rebuilt, i don't mean erased, I mean the data on the 3rd disk is restored |
| 20:45.54 | SeTog3 | but when I run ssh with -X , I have this error ** CRITICAL **: Unable to open display |
| 20:45.54 | SeTog3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.57 | SeTog3 | wtf ? |
| 20:46.10 | titoxx69 | Have you notice that the wiki hosting the FAQ is being heavily spammed ? |
| 20:46.11 | tech9iner | k thanx thingfish |
| 20:46.14 | jetx | jsut think about all that time you would waste if you didn't shell out that 85 bucks (like me) |
| 20:46.21 | MisterX | but is there a way that i can use the print screen button or is there a program to take screenshots? |
| 20:46.32 | Spec[x] | If I add a raid chip to a server, and a new harddrive, and mirror the new harddrive with the pre-existing harddrive, will the new harddrive 'mirror' the old one? |
| 20:46.34 | titoxx69 | Because I see "cock" seems to be a new package ^^ |
| 20:46.34 | shingouz | MisterX: scrot is one |
| 20:46.40 | MisterX | il try scrot |
| 20:46.42 | illsci | how do you turn off ipv6 networking ? |
| 20:46.52 | MisterX | btw |
| 20:46.53 | Spec[x] | gimp, imagemagick |
| 20:46.59 | spark_ | noone here knows enough about the GPL to be able to tell me how it has to be interpreted with regard to graphics? |
| 20:47.12 | MisterX | is it me or does apt-cache lists software i have compiled? |
| 20:47.21 | tdonahue | MisterX, nope... that doesn't surprise me, it seems that half of MS's beta testers are <18 years old..... |
| 20:47.29 | Spec[x] | MisterX: no, it doesn't |
| 20:47.30 | tech9iner | any lexmark printer users here.. actually its the x4270 AllinOne type.. |
| 20:47.33 | ba | How do I list my NIC's and see which is eth0 eth1? |
| 20:47.39 | MisterX | Thats really strange |
| 20:47.43 | Spec[x] | !any |
| 20:47.48 | Spec[x] | !anyone |
| 20:47.48 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:47.52 | MisterX | i used alien to convert a package |
| 20:47.58 | MisterX | now it is on apt-cache |
| 20:48.16 | Spec[x] | that's not a package you compiled |
| 20:48.16 | dogmeat | what's the best way to check the resources under debian: 'top', 'xload' ? |
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| 20:48.27 | Spec[x] | dogmeat: gnome-system-monitor is pretty cool |
| 20:48.37 | Spec[x] | dogmeat: ps/free are good, too though |
| 20:48.58 | craigevil | if you convert a app using alien then install it, it shows up in Synaptic |
| 20:49.05 | dogmeat | Spec[x] thanks |
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| 20:49.22 | MisterX | ahh i seew |
| 20:49.28 | levander | There is an alternative to using Rock Ridge when creating CD's that still maintain UNIX file permissions? |
| 20:49.46 | tech9iner | no 'lexmark'ers' about today? ;].. an associate of mine ran down and bought it before checking with me on linux compatibility.. and already lost the receipt / box / etc.. ;[ |
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| 20:50.00 | sciron | rotf |
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| 20:50.09 | MisterX | !rotf |
| 20:50.09 | dpkg | rotf is, like, a 1337 h4X0rrz script kiddie acronym for Rolling On The Floor |
| 20:50.10 | bigfishwink | can someone help me get my pcmcia ethernet working...? I have a token-Ring auto 16/4 credit card adapter and a ibm 390x laptop . thanks |
| 20:50.14 | jetx | i heard tell lexmark + linux aint a really happening thing, but no idea for sure |
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| 20:50.34 | tech9iner | so sure hoping that debian can talk to it someway? |
| 20:50.37 | ma3x | its showing /dev/hda1 10 GB as hidden partition |
| 20:50.40 | ma3x | how to delete it? |
| 20:50.43 | jetx | i do know they don't like aftermarket cartridges being able to be made for their printers |
| 20:50.59 | jetx | but, you can get a lexmark at walmart for 29.95 so who cares |
| 20:51.01 | levander | I'm coming up against restriction where the 8.3 generated filenames for Rock Ridge are conflicting when I'm trying to backup my system. These conflicts are going to happen. I can't prevent them on the filesystem. Need a way to prevent mkisofs from caring about them. |
| 20:51.02 | abrotman | linux-printing.org |
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| 20:51.21 | jetx | tar |
| 20:51.26 | dogmeat | is there undelete in debian? |
| 20:51.31 | jetx | not really |
| 20:51.42 | bigfishwink | I can find a driver for the card but its for 2.2 and 2.4 kernel |
| 20:51.47 | ma3x | hey |
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| 20:51.58 | ma3x | how do i make hidden partition unhidden? |
| 20:52.04 | afaict | Hi folks.. I installed Debian SARGE and how can I save my iptables rules...? With woody I do /etc/init.d/iptables save active... and now ? |
| 20:52.10 | lamp__ | xorg on debian unstable is bad stuff :p |
| 20:52.20 | jetx | change the partitions id/type |
| 20:52.28 | bigfishwink | its called ibmtr_CS |
| 20:52.33 | jetx | my kid runs xorg on sid |
| 20:52.39 | ma3x | jetx how exactly? |
| 20:52.55 | jetx | ma3x: i use cfdisk. |
| 20:53.10 | tech9iner | linux-printing.org?.. thats hokey search engine redirect? |
| 20:53.14 | jetx | ma3x: you mean the hidden w95 one eh? |
| 20:53.16 | levander | You can't do hard links for directories?? |
| 20:53.16 | shingouz | bigfishwink: i am not sure if the module is in debian kernels but it is in 2.6.11 source at least |
| 20:53.22 | afaict | lamp__, why its bad stuff ? |
| 20:53.24 | bigfishwink | ok |
| 20:53.37 | tech9iner | replete with 3 or 4 ad cookie attempts arrrrgh! ;[ |
| 20:53.47 | shingouz | bigfishwink: is this just to install debian ? |
| 20:54.09 | ma3x | jetx : yeah! |
| 20:54.18 | bigfishwink | no I have it installed shingouz , but I need it to connect to the web etc |
| 20:54.20 | ma3x | just deleted win partition, and it didn't free up the space |
| 20:54.34 | ma3x | i see it as free space (hidden) in parted |
| 20:54.39 | shingouz | bigfishwink: does cardservices see the card? |
| 20:54.49 | bigfishwink | how do I check? |
| 20:55.10 | shingouz | bigfishwink: does your laptop say anything when you plug the card in? |
| 20:55.15 | jetx | ma3x: i'm just guessing, but maybe it was an extended partition |
| 20:55.16 | shingouz | as in beep |
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| 20:55.42 | idis | shingouz: does it start, or does it not start ;-) |
| 20:55.43 | ma3x | jetx : for some reason it doesn't display it as hidden anymore |
| 20:55.47 | jetx | ma3x: cfdisk should do anything you need it to do though |
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| 20:55.49 | bigfishwink | shingouz, no Im running a broken enlightenment install, maybe I should install gnome to get this working |
| 20:56.00 | shingouz | idis: go use update-rc.d :p |
| 20:56.02 | craigevil | i still have xfree86 on my debian sid system |
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| 20:56.23 | shingouz | bigfishwink: umm.. no. cardservices have nothing to do with gnome |
| 20:56.25 | ma3x | now i have it like this: 01 /dev/hda-1 free; 02 /dev/hda2 ext; 03 /dev/hda-1 free |
| 20:56.26 | grandpuba | when apt-get needs to authenticate packages and asks me if i want to install with out verification what package do i need? |
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| 20:56.34 | ma3x | how do i make 01 and 03 together? |
| 20:56.37 | ma3x | how to join them? |
| 20:56.38 | me_here | Part |
| 20:56.42 | me_here | sorry |
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| 20:56.43 | me_here | ciao |
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| 20:56.48 | idis | shingouz: i'm not a postinst |
| 20:56.51 | bigfishwink | shingouz, how do I use cardservices? |
| 20:56.57 | titoxx69 | I would like to install Debian on a recent laptop : should I choose Sarge or the current testing version ? |
| 20:57.02 | jetx | ma3x: back the data on hda2 up and delete hda2 is how |
| 20:57.13 | jetx | then make a new one |
| 20:57.13 | shingouz | bigfishwink: does your computer recognize any pcmcia cards? |
| 20:57.21 | bigfishwink | I don't know? |
| 20:57.34 | shingouz | bigfishwink: do you have any other cards? |
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| 20:57.58 | ma3x | can i back up the data on DVD ? |
| 20:58.02 | bigfishwink | shingouz, I installed kudzu , hal, and dbus and it detects it at boot, but no I have no other cards and this is my first laptop |
| 20:58.18 | ma3x | does tomsrootboot mount dvd/cd? |
| 20:58.23 | shingouz | bigfishwink: kudzu? what debian you have there? |
| 20:58.31 | shingouz | ma3x: it should |
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| 20:58.40 | bigfishwink | regular |
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| 20:58.49 | bigfishwink | its in my cd set |
| 20:58.57 | shingouz | bigfishwink: there is no regular debian. what distro did you install? |
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| 20:59.05 | ma3x | shingouz and external firewire hdd? |
| 20:59.13 | shingouz | ma3x: no idea |
| 20:59.15 | bigfishwink | shingouz, the 3.0 I think , the current release |
| 20:59.19 | sean_micken|wtf | i have a sata harddrive, but no ata or atapi cdroms... can i leave ata/atapi support out of the kernel? |
| 20:59.24 | bigfishwink | just downloaded it |
| 20:59.29 | shingouz | bigfishwink: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:59.59 | bigfishwink | shingouz, SRY 3.1 |
| 21:00.24 | ma3x | shingouz is it a good idea to .tar.gz the whole / or only tar? |
| 21:00.31 | lamp__ | afaict, Because gdm would not start anymore i'm running xfree86 again :p |
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| 21:00.44 | shingouz | bigfishwink: to the best of my knowledge that is not debian |
| 21:01.01 | shingouz | ma3x: tar.gz if you want to save some space |
| 21:01.12 | tech9iner | 520megs n 20 mins an life is good |
| 21:01.37 | idis | shingouz: kudzu is RH, but there is a package for it in debian |
| 21:01.40 | bigfishwink | I downloaded it from the debian website here http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ from bittorent |
| 21:01.50 | jetx | hey debian 3.1, wfw 3.11.... one day debian will catch up... |
| 21:01.50 | shingouz | idis: reayy? eeek |
| 21:01.56 | jetx | :o |
| 21:02.00 | idis | yup, even the -dev thingy |
| 21:02.13 | shingouz | bigfishwink: ok.. i may be wrong. lsmod | grep yenta |
| 21:02.33 | dddss | how can i install java for firefox? |
| 21:02.51 | bigfishwink | ok I have a ibmtr_cs,ds,yenta_socket loaded |
| 21:03.01 | jetx | !java |
| 21:03.01 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 21:03.02 | bigfishwink | for pcmcia_core |
| 21:03.09 | idis | some ppl like kudzu AND discover |
| 21:03.10 | jetx | /msg dpkg blah |
| 21:03.15 | shingouz | bigfishwink: there you go, you have the card seen and the correct module is there. ifconfig -a |
| 21:03.18 | dddss | .. |
| 21:03.44 | bigfishwink | how can I check my connectioni? |
| 21:03.46 | jetx | hey at least your nick isn't ssdd |
| 21:03.49 | shingouz | idis: not me. i do not like discover, hotplug or kudzu |
| 21:03.58 | shingouz | bigfishwink: ifconfig -a |
| 21:04.33 | shingouz | bigfishwink: do you see the loopback and the tokenring? |
| 21:04.53 | jetx | discover & hotplug are useful when you don't know what modules need loading... then you find out and --purge hotdiscplugover |
| 21:04.54 | bigfishwink | I see local loopback |
| 21:05.17 | bigfishwink | its just pppoeconf doesn't detect my connection, and I cant get www.google.ca in dillo |
| 21:05.31 | abrotman | as opposed to remote loopback? |
| 21:05.33 | shingouz | bigfishwink: pppoe has nothing to do with the tokenring |
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| 21:05.50 | abrotman | shingouz: thank god :) |
| 21:05.56 | bigfishwink | shingouz, i understand, but I need to put a username and password to connect to my isp |
| 21:05.56 | idis | what do you have as equivalent for auto launch of scripts like cp photo/* /home/photo |
| 21:06.04 | shingouz | abrotman: stop dissing tr. it is good :) |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | shingouz: for what? |
| 21:06.29 | ma3x | how do i tar.gz the whole / ? |
| 21:06.37 | shingouz | bigfishwink: that is not tr stuff at all. i have personally no idea about pppoe except it is evil |
| 21:06.42 | shingouz | !lart abrotman |
| 21:06.48 | sour | tar zcvf blah.tgz / |
| 21:06.52 | bigfishwink | shingouz, i quite aggree |
| 21:07.02 | sour | tho, that'll try tar blah.tgz with it |
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| 21:07.14 | sour | which is amusing to watch if you're in root directory |
| 21:07.18 | abrotman | shingouz: tr runs great .. as long as nothing breaks .. but when it does .. look the hell out .. "Hey guys .. look .. it's a loose token .. doh .. there's another ... " |
| 21:07.23 | gavin | how do i get 1024 screen in x on deb 3.1 |
| 21:07.36 | levander | Back when I first installed warty, I installed some programs by compiling them from sources. Now, I want to get rid of those. I know there's a trick about generating an un-install file list from either configure scripts or Makefiles. Anybody got a link to how to do this trick? |
| 21:07.37 | shingouz | !tell gavin about drxx |
| 21:07.37 | bigfishwink | shingouz, maybe I download roaring penguins tool, or if anyone knows of one I can use |
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| 21:07.53 | hecate_ | ok, anyone knows whats the problem with my cd-recording? |
| 21:07.56 | hecate_ | i can tell error |
| 21:07.59 | shingouz | levander: sure. #ubuntu |
| 21:08.03 | hecate_ | using graveman on xfce4 ran as root |
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| 21:08.25 | levander | shingouz: sorry, wrong window. But that trick isn't really ubuntu specific. |
| 21:08.27 | bigfishwink | a gnome or kde tool perhaps |
| 21:08.31 | levander | anybody here know it? |
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| 21:08.50 | shingouz | bigfishwink: there has to be something like pppoeconfig or such on debian. apt-cache search pppoe might help |
| 21:08.56 | phogg | levander: checkinstall |
| 21:09.12 | hecate_ | i got some weird packet command error on hdd when trying to write iso from cd-rom |
| 21:09.14 | bigfishwink | shingouz, thats what I use now is pppoeconf |
| 21:09.23 | shingouz | hm |
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| 21:09.38 | levander | phogg: great, looks like ubuntu has a package for that, i'm checking it out |
| 21:09.44 | hecate_ | no clue whats wrong since it works on windows (the cd-recorder it is9 |
| 21:09.55 | shingouz | bigfishwink: when pppoe is mentioned i think i will hide under the couch instead. /me goes into hiding for a while |
| 21:10.08 | bigfishwink | lol ;) |
| 21:10.21 | bigfishwink | thanks for helping find out that it is detected mind you |
| 21:10.29 | shingouz | :) |
| 21:11.12 | shingouz | bigfishwink: man interfaces for more information on making the ip and other settings permanent :) |
| 21:11.29 | bigfishwink | shingouz, sure |
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| 21:11.50 | ma3x | is /dev/hdc cd/dvd rom? |
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| 21:12.11 | levander | I've got a bunch of device files that were created by udftools pksetup. Now that I can't get udftools to work and have given up on it, is it same just to 'rm' these files? Have never removed a device file before. |
| 21:12.30 | nkuttler | ma3x: check dmesg, probably |
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| 21:12.41 | shingouz | ma3x: on my system it is /dev/sr4 iirc |
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| 21:13.36 | shingouz | ..which is not a very useful piece of information of course.. /me goes to install caffeine |
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| 21:14.00 | Jacky^ | hi |
| 21:14.00 | idis | shingouz: start coffe.el |
| 21:14.08 | ma3x | how do i create tar.gz? |
| 21:14.20 | ma3x | with tar or with gz? |
| 21:14.22 | ma3x | what manpage |
| 21:14.23 | grandpuba | when apt-get needs to authenticate packages and asks me if i want to install with out verification what package do i need? |
| 21:14.24 | nkuttler | ma3x: man tar |
| 21:14.25 | shingouz | man tar |
| 21:14.43 | Jacky^ | apt-get update wont go on at: 99% [Connessione a minkirri.apana.org.au (203.12.237.33) in corso] , any idea ? |
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| 21:14.58 | abrotman | Jacky^: hit ctrl-c .. try again |
| 21:15.12 | abrotman | !apt-secure |
| 21:15.12 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-secure is the working name of a project to add to APT the ability to verify the authenticity of Debian. See http://monk.debian.net/apt-secure/ |
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| 21:15.15 | Jacky^ | abrotman: already tried.. |
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| 21:15.26 | ma3x | nkuttler didn't find any info on how to create gz |
| 21:15.27 | afaict | In sarge where is /etc/init.d/iptables ?? How can I save iptables rules ?????/ |
| 21:16.03 | ma3x | only to gunzip |
| 21:16.04 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone help me with sudo config? |
| 21:16.08 | EruditeHermit | specifically can I pm someone? |
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| 21:16.33 | nkuttler | ma3x: -z |
| 21:18.56 | shmoo | man sudoers |
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| 21:18.56 | Jacky^ | abrotman: cannot connect http://monk.debian.net/apt-secure/ :\ |
| 21:18.56 | EruditeHermit | shmoo: I have it set up correctlyu I think, but its not working |
| 21:18.56 | ba | what package contains sshd? |
| 21:18.56 | idis | afaict: once upon a time there was a start-stop script which allowed to save iptables rules, but I guess you're on your own now |
| 21:18.56 | abrotman | Jacky^: hrm .. might be offline |
| 21:18.56 | idis | ba: ssh |
| 21:18.56 | nkuttler | ba: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:18.56 | Jacky^ | abrotman: some other url about ? |
| 21:18.56 | ba | well, i have ssh, but not sshd |
| 21:18.56 | shmoo | syntax ... |
| 21:18.56 | afaict | idis, :| |
| 21:18.56 | EruditeHermit | shmoo: can I message you what I have? |
| 21:18.56 | abrotman | Jacky^: i'm looking .. but that wasn't for you |
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| 21:18.57 | EruditeHermit | shmoo: maybe you can see something that is wrong |
| 21:19.00 | nkuttler | ba: /usr/sbin/ in your PATH? |
| 21:19.09 | afaict | cHaPlinux, para de entrar e sair... :D |
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| 21:19.46 | idis | afaict: zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:19.48 | shmoo | fire away |
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| 21:20.07 | KerPlunk | What is a good mp3 player to buy? |
| 21:20.08 | ba | alright, i see now. How do I get sshd to come up with the system? |
| 21:20.32 | idis | ba: dpkg-reconfigure it and allow for server use? |
| 21:20.33 | nkuttler | ba: it should if you didn't touch it |
| 21:20.41 | abrotman | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 21:21.00 | ba | idis: I'll give it a go |
| 21:21.02 | neolynx | hello, I have a kde development question, unstable: kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libfam-dev E: Broken packages |
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| 21:21.32 | dogmeat | is there a way to reallocate /dev/hda space from /home to / ? |
| 21:22.07 | cureless | dogmeat: not easily. |
| 21:22.46 | ma3x | what's the file /z for? |
| 21:22.52 | dogmeat | cureless: what are my options, parted, reinstall ? |
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| 21:23.14 | cureless | KerPlunk: kind of OT no? on that note, depends on what you're looking for. |
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| 21:23.44 | cureless | dogmeat: parted for sure, but moving ext2/3 partitions is not always easy. Neither is growing backwards. |
| 21:24.27 | ma3x | anybody have that file 'z' in / ? |
| 21:24.44 | dogmeat | ma3x: apparently only you have such a file |
| 21:24.44 | cureless | dogmeat: you don't have to do a full reinstall, you might be able to grow one of them (the one near the beginning) and just recreate the other. Next time use something like LVM to allocate space to partitions. |
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| 21:25.00 | cureless | ma3x: what's the file? what type? |
| 21:25.18 | ma3x | dogmeat : i typed 'tar -cfz /' and i think it was created |
| 21:25.27 | DeadHorse | HELLO |
| 21:25.37 | ma3x | it says POSIX tar archive |
| 21:25.40 | pureone | !caps |
| 21:25.41 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put an underscore( "_" )_ on both sides of them. |
| 21:25.42 | cureless | ma3x: yep, that might be because you used that command. |
| 21:25.56 | albo | for raid1 (2 disk) do i set 1 disk to primary,1 to logical ? |
| 21:25.59 | nkuttler | !tell ma3x about tar |
| 21:26.01 | cureless | ma3x: -f means use the file named ... so -fz did that |
| 21:26.10 | DeadHorse | im on the Mac-on-Linux site and it says theres a file i need but the link dont work? .... http://people.debian.org/~jensen woody/ |
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| 21:26.50 | bigfishwink | what cd is gcc and cc on? |
| 21:26.58 | DeadHorse | anyone here used Mac-on-Linux ? |
| 21:27.11 | cureless | bigfishwink: first one? (I've no idea) |
| 21:27.25 | shmoo | hermit: I don't know, maybe you disallowed a lot, but not specifically allowed anything .. |
| 21:27.31 | bigfishwink | i have like five cd's and nothing! |
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| 21:27.39 | bigfishwink | gcc sure, but not cc or cl |
| 21:28.04 | ohad | what kernel version is the current d-i is using? |
| 21:28.04 | shmoo | what I normally do is mess around with it till it works |
| 21:28.09 | cureless | bigfishwink: you don't have /usr/bin/cc? |
| 21:28.10 | ohad | 2.6.x? |
| 21:28.15 | shmoo | and then take it from there |
| 21:28.30 | bigfishwink | cureless, none |
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| 21:28.31 | shmoo | oh, and google :) |
| 21:28.34 | DeadHorse | no one ? |
| 21:28.35 | ma3x | why does it say tar: Removing leading `/' from member names ? |
| 21:28.49 | bigfishwink | and I need to compile a package to connect to the net |
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| 21:29.15 | cureless | bigfishwink: and what's wrong with gcc? |
| 21:29.15 | FieldySnuts | huh |
| 21:29.22 | nkuttler | DeadHorse: #maconlinux ? |
| 21:29.26 | ohad | what are the main differences between debian and Ubuntu? are there any? |
| 21:29.33 | ma3x | shit im bothering fukin 3 hours for one command |
| 21:29.35 | FieldySnuts | we would know? |
| 21:29.37 | bigfishwink | I don't know, I keep getting no gcc with ./configure |
| 21:29.50 | ma3x | i want to copy whole / to /media/backup/ |
| 21:29.56 | bigfishwink | and i have it installed 3.4 |
| 21:30.02 | ma3x | like to create /media/backup/backup.tar.gz of the whole / |
| 21:30.05 | ma3x | so why is it giving damn errors? |
| 21:30.07 | DeadHorse | nkuttler heh no one there |
| 21:30.16 | mtnman | ohad: one of the main differences is that debian is supported on this channel. ubuntu is not. |
| 21:30.23 | cureless | bigfishwink: didn't you say you had gcc? |
| 21:30.27 | ohad | mtnman, ha! |
| 21:30.29 | albo | for raid1 (2 disk) do i set 1 disk to primary,1 to logical ? |
| 21:30.40 | bigfishwink | right but configure doesn't see it. so I don't know what the problem is |
| 21:31.01 | cureless | bigfishwink: so you can execute gcc --version and get an answer? |
| 21:31.17 | ma3x | apt, yeah yeah talk |
| 21:31.18 | bigfishwink | gcc not found |
| 21:31.23 | bigfishwink | but if I synaptic |
| 21:31.27 | bigfishwink | i have it iinstalled |
| 21:31.42 | nkuttler | bigfishwink: what gcc did you install? |
| 21:32.08 | nkuttler | bigfishwink: type gcc<tab><tab> |
| 21:32.10 | bigfishwink | sry gcc 3.3base |
| 21:32.26 | dogmeat | cureless: when is VLM installed? didnt see that debian was using that sw |
| 21:32.36 | bigfishwink | I installed and removed gcc3.4 and nothing yesterdau |
| 21:32.47 | nkuttler | bigfishwink: apt-get install gcc |
| 21:32.54 | dogmeat | cureless: s/VLM/LVM |
| 21:32.55 | ma3x | why the tar backup is ignoring stuff like tar: ./var/cache/roxen4/socket: socket ignored |
| 21:33.04 | bigfishwink | nothing it just says gccmakedep |
| 21:33.07 | nkuttler | ma3x: man tar should explain that |
| 21:33.22 | cureless | dogmeat: normally when you install, I don't remember if the current installer suports it, I haven't reinstalled in a while. |
| 21:33.35 | cureless | dogmeat: but you can do it later too, at least to a part of the disk |
| 21:33.35 | ma3x | nkuttler i don't see why |
| 21:33.44 | nkuttler | ma3x: if you want to backup / look into a real backup program, like backuppc |
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| 21:34.07 | ma3x | nkuttler you know another one too? |
| 21:34.07 | clown | ma3x: or just plain 'dump' of / is ext2/ext3. |
| 21:34.15 | titoxx69 | bonne nuit |
| 21:34.49 | shmoo | SET BEEP_WHEN_AWAY |
| 21:34.56 | cureless | beep! |
| 21:35.04 | shmoo | honk! |
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| 21:36.50 | bigfishwink | nkuttler, ok I have it installed now what? |
| 21:37.03 | cureless | bigfishwink: try gcc again |
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| 21:37.20 | bigfishwink | ok now its say gcc 3.4 |
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| 21:38.03 | ma3x | i removed windows, and did update-grub, but the choice still exists |
| 21:38.03 | cureless | bigfishwink: try configure now |
| 21:38.04 | ma3x | why |
| 21:38.05 | bigfishwink | now if i ./configure again no gcc is found |
| 21:38.16 | bigfishwink | tisk tisk |
| 21:38.28 | nkuttler | bigfishwink: apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:39.29 | bigfishwink | nkuttler, I can't see it |
| 21:39.38 | bigfishwink | dh-buildingo? |
| 21:39.42 | bigfishwink | *info |
| 21:40.48 | nkuttler | bigfishwink: what can't you see? |
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| 21:41.16 | bigfishwink | nkuttler, build-essential, its not there |
| 21:41.31 | Jeffro | hey hey, here's MisterX |
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| 21:41.35 | nkuttler | bigfishwink: what debian version? |
| 21:41.42 | bigfishwink | nkuttler, 3.1 |
| 21:41.49 | bigfishwink | with five cd's |
| 21:41.50 | albo | Kamion: the way its set up now, i have 3 listings in the installer menu. primary raid device, logical raid device. actual raid1 device. i create a new partition on the raid1 device, and then it says the rest of the space is unusable |
| 21:41.59 | bigfishwink | nkuttler, I have not connection to the net |
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| 21:42.16 | swast | hi giys |
| 21:42.18 | bigfishwink | brb |
| 21:42.24 | swast | i have a little strange need |
| 21:42.26 | idis | !nickometer ma3x |
| 21:42.26 | dpkg | 'ma3x' is 31.000% lame, idis |
| 21:42.33 | idis | gee |
| 21:42.33 | swast | a have a debian on 3 dvd |
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| 21:42.44 | swast | and a computer with dvd rw |
| 21:42.50 | Jeffro | idis try nickometer on me :P |
| 21:42.52 | nkuttler | !tell swast about enter |
| 21:42.54 | swast | also i have notebook without dvd |
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| 21:43.14 | swast | ow can i install debian on that notebook using dvd rom from mu computer |
| 21:43.23 | Jeffro | !nickometer Jeffro |
| 21:43.37 | Jeffro | dpkg the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for Jeffro is 0.000%, jeffro |
| 21:43.37 | dpkg | Jeffro: that's too long |
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| 21:44.26 | bigfishwink | nkuttler, ib |
| 21:44.28 | Overand | How straightforward is it to set up a reasonably secure FTP server, and can I add users who *don't* get login rights on the box (via ssh/local/whatever)? |
| 21:44.46 | Overand | (secure as in, no anonymous logins, etc) |
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| 21:45.02 | Overand | (Like i'm aware passwords get sent via plaintext etc via standard ftp) |
| 21:45.18 | bigfishwink | nkuttler, so what should I do for builld-essential |
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| 21:45.47 | nkuttler | bigfishwink: install it |
| 21:46.00 | shmoo | pulp fiction |
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| 21:46.53 | Jeffro-aka-Miste | dpkg the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for Jeffro is 0.000%, jeffro |
| 21:46.53 | dpkg | that's too long, Jeffro-aka-Miste |
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| 21:47.50 | hecate_ | btw |
| 21:47.57 | hecate_ | anyone knows how to get FixedSys fonts to linux? |
| 21:48.00 | hecate_ | the ones what windows have |
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| 21:48.10 | hecate_ | need em for my terminal, to make my tintin look like jmc |
| 21:48.25 | Jeffro-MisterX | what is jmc? |
| 21:48.31 | neolynx | hecate: msttcorefonts ? |
| 21:48.38 | hecate_ | neolynx: thanks |
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| 21:49.15 | hecate_ | neolynx: hmm nothing on apt-cache atleast |
| 21:49.33 | finny | hello, I'm running debian with a 2 disk raid0 setup, unfortunately I did an apt-get upgrade or something and now the machine kernal panics on boot, can anyone point me in the direction of how to remount my raid setup? |
| 21:49.37 | neolynx | hecate: apt-get install msttcorefonts ? |
| 21:49.39 | Jeffro-MisterX | hecate: search for fotns |
| 21:49.43 | albo | why does it say unusable in the raid setup |
| 21:49.43 | Jeffro-MisterX | fonts |
| 21:49.48 | Jeffro-MisterX | or install apt-file |
| 21:49.59 | Jeffro-MisterX | and do a apt-file msttcorefonts |
| 21:50.01 | neolynx | finny: you need your /etc/raidtab |
| 21:50.04 | Jeffro-MisterX | and do a apt-file search msttcorefonts |
| 21:50.10 | neolynx | finny: boot a knoppix |
| 21:50.21 | neolynx | finny: put your /etc/raidtab |
| 21:50.22 | finny | neolynx, will do, ty |
| 21:50.29 | neolynx | finny: mount your raid |
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| 21:50.50 | finny | neolynx, do I have to make a knoppix cd? |
| 21:51.10 | Jeffro-MisterX | Compaq:/home/jeffro# apt-file search msttcorefonts msttcorefonts: etc/defoma/hints/msttcorefonts.hints |
| 21:51.10 | Jeffro-MisterX | msttcorefonts: usr/share/doc/msttcorefonts/changelog.gz msttcorefonts: usr/share/doc/msttcorefonts/copyright |
| 21:51.43 | Jeffro-MisterX | i think that the files are named different |
| 21:51.47 | finny | neolynx: no cd on the machine, any bootdisk alternatives? |
| 21:52.09 | finny | been trying the debian boot and root disk to no avail, alas this is unfamilar territory for me |
| 21:52.15 | Jeffro-MisterX | finny: you could do a networkd boot |
| 21:52.20 | Jacky^ | I'm using unstable, can anyone tell me what i'm missing on sources.list ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/MUTp9m68.html |
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| 21:52.55 | chealer | Jacky^: missing for what? |
| 21:53.02 | Jacky^ | apt-get update stop at 99% [Connessione a minkirri.apana.org.au (203.12.237.33) in corso] |
| 21:53.11 | Jacky^ | can't go on |
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| 21:53.16 | [IDR]RedDrake | Empty JPEG image (DNL not supported) |
| 21:53.21 | bigfishwink | I don't have it |
| 21:53.21 | [IDR]RedDrake | what package am I missing? |
| 21:53.30 | finny | Jeffro, is that what the debian boot and root disk does, it seems to install some raid tools, mdadm etc, but I'm not sure how to go mounting the raid setup, did it ages ago through the installer |
| 21:53.35 | bigfishwink | if I new what cd to download with it I would |
| 21:53.38 | chealer | Jacky^: try another mirror? |
| 21:53.39 | Jeffro-MisterX | jacky^ add the official servers |
| 21:53.45 | Jeffro-MisterX | but |
| 21:53.47 | neolynx | finny: you can do it by bootdisk |
| 21:53.59 | Jeffro-MisterX | it is not good to have both stable and unstable AND testing |
| 21:54.03 | neolynx | finny: you need a kernel with raid support and raidtools installed |
| 21:54.06 | Jacky^ | where can i get the official server ? debian.org ? |
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| 21:54.25 | Jeffro-MisterX | do a apt-setup |
| 21:54.25 | thingfish | hey tech9iner |
| 21:54.29 | chealer | Jacky^: just # apt-setup |
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| 21:54.37 | Jeffro-MisterX | there add a http or a ftp |
| 21:54.38 | Jacky^ | ok, thanks |
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| 21:54.58 | neolynx | finny: if you have such a kernel booted, restore your raidtab and then you should be able to mount the raid |
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| 21:55.15 | bigfishwink | nkuttler, could you build the package and deb |
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| 21:55.39 | Jeffro-MisterX | finny: i know that a network boot boots from a source on the network but i dont know how it exactly works |
| 21:55.40 | bigfishwink | nkuttler, and drop load them to ? |
| 21:55.47 | bigfishwink | *me |
| 21:55.47 | finny | neolynx, do I need to mount md0 to get the raidtab? |
| 21:55.54 | finny | restored |
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| 21:57.33 | neolynx | finny: no, you need the raidtab to get md0 |
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| 21:57.54 | neolynx | finny: if you remember the md0 raidtab entry, you can just write it |
| 21:58.03 | albo | is there a guide to the raid feature in the installer |
| 21:58.12 | neolynx | finny: put the disks in the right order ! |
| 21:58.20 | omi | is it possible to do software resume (suspend) on LVM partition? |
| 21:59.28 | finny | neolynx, hmm, can't recall anything |
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| 21:59.56 | finny | should of installed the raid setup manually :( at least I would have a clue now, lol |
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| 22:00.20 | hecate_ | how can i place *.ttf font into linux? |
| 22:00.23 | hecate_ | i mean "install" it |
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| 22:00.45 | mandioca | defoma? |
| 22:00.49 | nkuttler | hecate_: /msg dpkg truetype |
| 22:01.07 | neolynx | finny: look at an example somewhere |
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| 22:01.25 | finny | looking at http://www.parisc-linux.org/faq/raidboot-howto.html atm |
| 22:01.56 | omi | anyone here did software resume? |
| 22:02.07 | finny | is mdadm --create destructive? |
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| 22:04.01 | tarzeau | hecate_: put into /usr/share/fonts |
| 22:04.41 | mandioca | that is not enough |
| 22:04.44 | Jacky^ | chealer i tried many different mirros: won't work 93% [Connessione a minkirri.apana.org.au (203.12.237.33) in corso], any idea ? :( |
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| 22:05.38 | chealer | Jacky^: you got that mirror from apt-setup? |
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| 22:06.02 | ma3x | if i do 'tar cfz /media/usb/backup.tar.gz ./' that will make backup of /media/usb as well, no? |
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| 22:06.20 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: that won't work at all. |
| 22:06.25 | Jacky^ | chealer: sure, I tried a variously.. nothing to do |
| 22:06.31 | ma3x | why not dondelelcaro ? |
| 22:07.05 | meff | is testing not having any incoming pkgs or am i using a broken mirror? apt-get update shows nothing new.. |
| 22:07.06 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: f has to go immediately before the file; and wether or not /media/usb is read depends on what . is. |
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| 22:07.23 | chealer | Jacky^: when you say it stops, what does it do exactly? |
| 22:07.43 | ma3x | dondelelcaro how do i void /media/usb (exclude) ? |
| 22:07.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell meff -about raff and samosa |
| 22:07.52 | Jacky^ | mmhh.. it in italian:\ I dont know if i can traduce it.. |
| 22:08.00 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: with the various exclude options of tar. |
| 22:08.02 | Jacky^ | E: Impossibile scaricare alcune file di indice, essi verranno ignorati, oppure si useranno quelli precedenti. |
| 22:08.22 | Jacky^ | said is not possible to download some index |
| 22:08.28 | ma3x | dondelelcaro f has to go immediately before the file <- you mean the f in cfz? |
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| 22:08.33 | ma3x | !tell me about tar |
| 22:08.44 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: like --exclude or -l |
| 22:08.48 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: yes. |
| 22:08.55 | ma3x | dondelelcaro : what about the . ? |
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| 22:09.12 | Jacky^ | cannot get: http://minkirri.apana.org.au/pub/debian-local/./Packages.gz timeout |
| 22:09.34 | chealer | Jacky^: use export LANG=C; apt-get update |
| 22:09.37 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: . is just the current directory. Since you haven't told us what that is, there's not much we can say on that issue. |
| 22:09.45 | Jacky^ | chealer: ok |
| 22:09.52 | dondelelcaro | chealer: better for him just to LANG=C apt-get update |
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| 22:09.58 | ma3x | dondelelcaro : current = where i type the command ? |
| 22:10.04 | chealer | dondelelcaro: probably |
| 22:10.10 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: yes. |
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| 22:10.49 | ma3x | dondelelcaro : this is strange, when i type / it says tar: Removing leading `/' from member names.... and when i type ./ it says nothing |
| 22:11.00 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: because ./ doesn't have a leading / |
| 22:11.12 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: this sort of stuff is all covered in the tar info page or in any suitable introductory unix book. |
| 22:11.57 | ma3x | dondelelcaro thanks for the assistance, appreciate it |
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| 22:13.15 | ma3x | dondelelcaro : when creating backup.tar.gz is it good to have the lading / or no? |
| 22:13.20 | Jacky^ | chealer: i did export LANG=C but it's always IT |
| 22:13.29 | ma3x | i don't actually understand the option, that's why i ask you |
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| 22:13.51 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: generally you don't want it; in the cases where you think you do, you just use the -C option. |
| 22:13.57 | ma3x | in another words, is the leading / necessary for backup.tar.gz? |
| 22:14.23 | ma3x | dondelelcaro the case is - backup up the whole / |
| 22:14.56 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: no, it's not. |
| 22:15.04 | ba | I just installed kdm to replace gdm, yet when I login with kdm it just takes me back to the login screen. If I switch the default back to gdm, it just goes to blank gray screen after loading. How do I fix this? |
| 22:15.27 | chealer | Jacky^: hum...no idea |
| 22:15.50 | hecate_ | well, i got fixedsysTTF worked on linux yes, but they only appear as bold (style "monospaced"??)...i want normal fixedsys fonts like windows have |
| 22:16.05 | ma3x | dondelelcaro nice nickname! |
| 22:16.22 | Jacky^ | chealer: anyway, can't connect to minkirri.apana.org.au:80 (203.12.237.33) timeout.. |
| 22:16.27 | Karhuton | hecate, get Fixedsys Excelsior 2.00 |
| 22:16.32 | shmoo | ba: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 22:16.38 | Karhuton | It's a better truetype version of Fixedsys |
| 22:16.41 | hecate_ | Karhuton: okay |
| 22:16.52 | hecate_ | Karhuton: do i get normal fixedsys then? not bold sloppy ones? |
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| 22:17.19 | cj | What's the difference between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 22:17.22 | Karhuton | Ummm. Atleast on my gnome it's normal |
| 22:17.42 | albo | how can i check if debian's installer really gave me a raid |
| 22:17.58 | Karhuton | Is Sid's Xorg broken or is the topic just a general warning? |
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| 22:18.11 | tarzeau | lilo: dear, can we have write access to #windows again, plase? |
| 22:18.18 | tarzeau | Karhuton: it's broken |
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| 22:18.37 | lvdsn | hello, anyone have the package lists of any cd ? |
| 22:18.51 | tarzeau | lvdsn: no |
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| 22:19.16 | lvdsn | hello, anyone have the package lists of any Sarge's cd ? |
| 22:19.27 | streuner_ | !cd contents |
| 22:19.27 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. |
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| 22:20.02 | daxxar | Hm. |
| 22:20.10 | lvdsn | streuner, thans right but in each Sarge's cd it have a package file |
| 22:20.14 | ba | shmoo: I've switched it between kdm and gdm using that. Neither works now. |
| 22:20.15 | daxxar | Was the 2.6.12 source-package renamed from kernel-source to linux-source? |
| 22:20.23 | daxxar | i.e. compared to previous versions |
| 22:20.24 | lvdsn | streuner, how can I get the information from that ? |
| 22:20.32 | ba | shmoo: In fact, it's stuck on gdm as I can't seem to get to a terminal at this point |
| 22:21.02 | streuner_ | lvdsn: download the CD? |
| 22:21.31 | ohad | does anyone know if there's a d-i out there witn kernel ver 2.6.12 |
| 22:21.32 | ohad | ? |
| 22:21.40 | streuner | nope |
| 22:21.57 | shmoo | ba: what's in your runlevel ? are you starting them both ? |
| 22:22.01 | streuner | why do you think you need 2.6.12? |
| 22:22.51 | lvdsn | streuner, yes |
| 22:23.27 | lvdsn | streuner, and read the package file, but I need to take package information about that |
| 22:23.28 | toni_ | can anyone point me on some form of HOWTO using dpatch? |
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| 22:23.56 | toni_ | i've been googling for it, but no trace of a document, apart from sporadic thread on mail lists. |
| 22:24.31 | streuner_ | lvdsn: what are you trying to do? |
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| 22:25.27 | ma3x | this i can't believe, i just did tar -zcf of 3 GBytes / and the .tar.gz turned out 1.1 GByte |
| 22:25.29 | ma3x | is it for real? |
| 22:25.40 | FieldySnuts | z uses gzip compression so yes |
| 22:25.47 | MyOwnLittlWorld_ | ma3x: yup. 's that good. |
| 22:25.50 | FieldySnuts | try j instead, uses bzip2 compression which is slower, but it will then be even smaller |
| 22:26.07 | lvdsn | streuner, i try to generate a database about all the packages, with it's dependencies and then it's location in each Sarge's cd |
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| 22:26.30 | ma3x | now if i were to extract that file to / what do i type? |
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| 22:27.32 | ma3x | umh, rebotee |
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| 22:28.23 | exobyte | in the case of a usb device, insmod should be run after plugging it in, right? Does it matter? |
| 22:28.28 | Veratien | Have installed Debian. Much likee. However, fonts != readable. They're all 8/9 pt in 800x600 on a 23" screen. Much pixellation is occuring. How fix? |
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| 22:28.39 | xenolith | how do you install startup scripts? |
| 22:28.44 | banedon | how do I get lilo to see windows |
| 22:28.44 | lvdsn | streuner, is this easy ? |
| 22:28.48 | banedon | I have windows on 13 gig |
| 22:28.52 | nkuttler | banedon: man update-rc.d |
| 22:28.55 | banedon | linux deb 3.1 on 67 gig |
| 22:29.05 | banedon | ? |
| 22:29.07 | banedon | lilo |
| 22:29.19 | banedon | lilo jsut starts laoding linux without giving me windows ro linux option |
| 22:29.43 | nkuttler | banedon: sorry, wasn't meant for you |
| 22:29.47 | Veratien | It's mainly things like xChat that the problem's occuring with; I'm in KDE at the moment, and IIRC xChat uses GTK... |
| 22:29.54 | banedon | help |
| 22:29.55 | nkuttler | banedon: vi /etc/lilo.conf |
| 22:29.57 | banedon | how do I fix lilo |
| 22:30.00 | banedon | ok |
| 22:30.03 | nkuttler | !tell banedon about enter |
| 22:30.04 | shmoo | Veratien: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:30.11 | tarzeau | nkuttler! |
| 22:30.11 | banedon | and aht do I put to tmake ti give that menu screnn upon boot |
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| 22:30.17 | nkuttler | tarzeau! |
| 22:30.18 | shmoo | change font load order |
| 22:30.20 | s0n1 | hi |
| 22:30.30 | shmoo | worked for me |
| 22:30.34 | tarzeau | nkuttler: you weren't here for like ages! |
| 22:30.35 | nkuttler | finally, 3 years later, i have dsl again :) |
| 22:30.36 | Veratien | shmoo: Thanks. :) |
| 22:30.41 | s0n1 | hi |
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| 22:30.45 | tarzeau | nkuttler: WHOA *warm welcome back* |
| 22:30.48 | Veratien | nkuttler: THREE YEARS?! |
| 22:30.50 | shmoo | hope it works ... |
| 22:30.51 | Veratien | You poor thing... |
| 22:30.52 | s0n1 | k3b in debian have suport a .wma???? |
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| 22:31.02 | nkuttler | i've been idling here though |
| 22:31.05 | tarzeau | s0n1: try |
| 22:31.19 | tarzeau | nkuttler: you've missed nothing on the weekends ;) |
| 22:31.23 | s0n1 | tarzeau : don't have.. |
| 22:31.27 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 22:31.28 | s0n1 | have plugin for download? |
| 22:31.28 | tarzeau | s0n1: apt-get install k3b |
| 22:31.33 | s0n1 | tarzeau : yep |
| 22:31.39 | tarzeau | s0n1: apt-cache search k3b wmv rape |
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| 22:32.07 | s0n1 | don't have ... |
| 22:32.16 | s0n1 | in apt don't |
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| 22:32.25 | Veratien | brb |
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| 22:33.29 | jomomo | Hello. How do I remount a partition read write? |
| 22:33.48 | tarzeau | jomomo: mount -o rw,remount /what/ever |
| 22:33.48 | nkuttler | jomomo: mount -o remount,rw partition |
| 22:33.52 | Przewdnik | mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint |
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| 22:34.54 | jomomo | So here's the deal |
| 22:34.56 | levander | There is any way to quiet the output of cdrecord, for running from cron? |
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| 22:35.24 | edison | Help, i have an image of floppy, does it have an way to boot on that image with the hard drive ? |
| 22:35.25 | ma3x | is there a driver for the cd/dvd rom that needs to be loaded? |
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| 22:35.56 | tarzeau | edison: using qemu ? |
| 22:36.13 | tarzeau | levander: why not run in in screen ?= |
| 22:36.24 | jomomo | i have an old debian partition I want to wipe out expet my home, don't have any other partitions, anywy I want to install debian on that machine after runnign debootstrap or something on it etc.. etc. The only cd I have is ubuntu cd, yes i know crisis. After I remounted it a and tried to remove things it said Read-only file system. Now i'm a bit confused here, why isn't this thing mounting properly? |
| 22:36.26 | edison | tarzeau, hum the real boot with lilo |
| 22:36.28 | omi | 2>/dev/null ? |
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| 22:36.40 | levander | tarzeau: why would I run cdrecord in screen when I'm running it from cron? |
| 22:36.47 | jomomo | /dev/hdc1 on /mount type ext3 (rw) is as it gives when invoking mount |
| 22:37.05 | tarzeau | levander: because screen is nice if you run it from cron? |
| 22:37.12 | Veratien | note to self: Timestand that include dates only work when you can put your screen resolution over 800x600... |
| 22:37.17 | tarzeau | edison: forget it |
| 22:37.20 | Veratien | *timestamps |
| 22:37.22 | levander | tarzeau: okay, but why is screen nice if I run it from cron? |
| 22:37.39 | tarzeau | levander: let's you reattach to it |
| 22:37.45 | daxxar | Where can I find /Documentation from the linux kernel online? (2.6.12, pref) |
| 22:37.54 | stew | screen is nice period |
| 22:38.05 | omi | levander, does cdrecord suppress output if you do cdrecord ............................. >/dev/null |
| 22:38.08 | jomomo | root@ubuntu:/# mount -o rw,remount /mount |
| 22:38.08 | jomomo | mount: block device /dev/hdc1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 22:38.17 | exobyte | in the case of a usb device, insmod should be run after plugging it in, right? Does it matter? |
| 22:38.29 | stew | exobyte: doens't matter |
| 22:38.33 | omi | but screen is useless in his case! |
| 22:38.44 | edison | tarzeau, because i have an laptop without floppy and cd, linux is installed on it but i want to install dos. Can i install dos under linux ? |
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| 22:39.03 | tarzeau | edison: it's tricky but possible, yes |
| 22:39.05 | exobyte | stew: cool.. thx |
| 22:39.09 | tarzeau | edison: you might want to check ms-sys |
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| 22:39.15 | levander | omi: yes, but I lose error messages if I do that. When you write a script that runs under cron, you usually don't want any output on success, only on failure. That way, you only get an email if something goes wrong. |
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| 22:39.33 | ma3x | how do i prevent 'eisa' from loading on boot? |
| 22:39.37 | edison | tarzeau, ok |
| 22:39.48 | omi | cdrecord .......... >/somewhere/logfile-`date %Y%m%d` or osmething similar |
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| 22:40.02 | omi | I assume you're doing some sort of backup |
| 22:40.17 | levander | is there an alternative command line utility to cdrecord, i thought remember someone mentioning one |
| 22:40.19 | CVirus | I downloaded Debian 3.1 r0a which is supposed to be "etch" and now I opened the first CD readme.html to find "3.1 r0a "sarge" written on the top !!! |
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| 22:41.06 | omi | levander, what is the issue with cdrecord? |
| 22:41.06 | punkass | ok this is going to sound like a really dumb question...just got a new Intel P4 64bit HT processor....what version of debian i am supposed to run? |
| 22:41.08 | tarzeau | CVirus: that's all right |
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| 22:41.16 | CVirus | tarzeau, ! |
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| 22:41.20 | tarzeau | punkass: i386 one |
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| 22:41.22 | abrotman | punkass: amd64 |
| 22:41.25 | omi | lol |
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| 22:41.30 | levander | omi: i can't suppress the output that it prints out when it succeeds |
| 22:41.30 | [sr] | howdy |
| 22:41.35 | Whisky_ | how do i change the permissions of a file to prwx------ ? |
| 22:41.51 | [sr] | after a sucessfull login in a ssh console |
| 22:41.51 | omi | levander, why not log it? |
| 22:41.54 | punkass | is there no 64bit debian port for intel? |
| 22:41.59 | [sr] | wich files does he read for motd? |
| 22:42.08 | CVirus | tarzeau, isnt the current stable "sarge" and the testing is "etch" ? |
| 22:42.12 | shmoo | levander: 1>/dev/null ? |
| 22:42.16 | abrotman | punkass: the intel is a copy of amd64 |
| 22:42.16 | tarzeau | CVirus: yeah that's right |
| 22:42.17 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.17 | shmoo | stdout |
| 22:42.21 | abrotman | !tell punkass about amd64 |
| 22:42.23 | tarzeau | CVirus: and testing does not exist on cd |
| 22:42.26 | tarzeau | CVirus: nor dvd |
| 22:42.36 | CVirus | tarzeau, i got the ISOP |
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| 22:42.38 | CVirus | ISO* |
| 22:42.44 | tarzeau | CVirus: no you don't |
| 22:42.44 | levander | shmoo: I tried this, cdrecord isn't respecting the output redirect some reason |
| 22:42.52 | punkass | abrotman: a thought you were kidding |
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| 22:42.57 | CVirus | tarzeau, r u sure ? |
| 22:42.59 | abrotman | punkass: i am not |
| 22:43.01 | tarzeau | CVirus: it's not official. it's to be installed over the network |
| 22:43.02 | abrotman | !r |
| 22:43.02 | dpkg | it has been said that r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 22:43.03 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:43.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:43.04 | punkass | crazy |
| 22:43.10 | tarzeau | CVirus: i are vry sur |
| 22:43.11 | levander | omi: i can't log it because cdrecord isn't obeying the output redirect |
| 22:43.18 | aum | hi - how do i get a list of progs which are accessing /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 22:43.20 | omi | ahh |
| 22:43.22 | Veratien | Is there an apt package for the nVIDIA Geforce 4 driver? |
| 22:43.22 | levander | there is a good command line alternative to cdrecord? |
| 22:43.25 | omi | let me check something |
| 22:43.26 | tarzeau | aum: minicom is |
| 22:43.29 | Whisky_ | anyone? |
| 22:43.31 | Whisky_ | how do i change the permissions of a file to prwx------ ? |
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| 22:43.36 | abrotman | haha .. new kernel development model |
| 22:43.37 | punkass | abrotman: i had no idea intel did that....thanks for the info |
| 22:43.38 | jetx | Veratien: nvidia-glx, non-free/contrib |
| 22:43.40 | CVirus | tarzeau, ok .. now I want to install a testing release .. how can i ? |
| 22:43.46 | tarzeau | Whisky_: try stat on/such/file |
| 22:43.50 | abrotman | punkass: tis true ... you should have bought amd :) |
| 22:43.57 | jetx | !woody->sarge |
| 22:43.59 | tarzeau | CVirus: install stable first |
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| 22:44.03 | Veratien | jetx: Thanks, I couldn't find it for some reason. :/ |
| 22:44.04 | abrotman | jetx: only in /msg |
| 22:44.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah cracked me up too ... kernel devel model hahaa |
| 22:44.17 | punkass | lol yeah...thanks again |
| 22:44.19 | CVirus | tarzeau, no other way ? |
| 22:44.19 | tarzeau | !myass |
| 22:44.19 | dpkg | i heard myass is http://jovan.ru/pics/even-more-crap/Bender.jpg |
| 22:44.22 | jetx | Veratien: it's in non-free, you gotta change your sources.list if it's not in there |
| 22:44.26 | tarzeau | CVirus: no. other. way. |
| 22:44.47 | omi | cdrecord ......................... >/dev/null 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null |
| 22:44.47 | jetx | abrotman: i forgot today is sunday :) |
| 22:44.48 | Whisky_ | tarzeau, that just shows the file stats :/ |
| 22:44.50 | MyOwnLittlWorl1 | how do I install dmseg? someone told me to use "dmseg | grep (something)" to fix a wireless problem, but whenever I try to do that (whether root or not), it tells me "dmseg: command not found" |
| 22:44.52 | omi | does the job |
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| 22:44.56 | abrotman | jetx: yeah it is |
| 22:44.58 | tarzeau | Whisky_: as in Access: (0660/crw-rw----) |
| 22:44.58 | aum | some prog is constantly sending the chars 0x1a 0x0d 0x41 0x54 0x0d out ttyS0 |
| 22:45.04 | jetx | MyOwnLittlWorl1: just type it |
| 22:45.12 | tarzeau | aum: mouse? |
| 22:45.17 | Veratien | jetx: It's in there, but I get the "no installation candidate" error. |
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| 22:45.23 | tarzeau | aum: gpm maybe? |
| 22:45.24 | daxxar | MyOwnLittlWorl1, it's "dmesg" |
| 22:45.25 | Veratien | jetx: So, technically, I spose, it's not in there. :p |
| 22:45.29 | keir | why are xorg packages missing from us.debian.org? anyone know which mirror actually has packages? (need xorg for new laptop, vid card not supported in xfree) |
| 22:45.29 | MyOwnLittlWorl1 | jetx: whenever I do that, it just says "dmseg: command not found" - I've got no dmseg |
| 22:45.31 | MyOwnLittlWorl1 | hahahahah |
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| 22:45.39 | jetx | MyOwnLittlWorl1: spell it right |
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| 22:45.43 | tarzeau | !nickometer MyOwnLittlWorl1 |
| 22:45.43 | dpkg | 'MyOwnLittlWorl1' is 99.941% lame, tarzeau |
| 22:45.44 | aum | mouse? do those look like mouse cmds? |
| 22:45.44 | Whisky_ | tarzeau, ok but how do i change to that 0660 ? :s |
| 22:45.53 | jetx | keir: change sources, take out the .us |
| 22:45.54 | tarzeau | Whisky_: using chmod |
| 22:46.02 | Veratien | MyOwnLittlWorl1: Try dmesg. |
| 22:46.02 | Whisky_ | k |
| 22:46.19 | MyOwnLittlWorl1 | wow... dmseg was what they told me for help... typos are evil. hahahahahaha |
| 22:46.21 | omi | keir, simpler to install ubuntu then upgrade to debian |
| 22:46.38 | Veratien | MyOwnLittlWorl1: And people with irritating nicnkames are worse. :p |
| 22:46.38 | drac | keir: xorg is not missing from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 22:46.42 | jetx | omi: is it? are you ready to fix his box? |
| 22:46.53 | CVirus | tarzeau, can I make an internet install for etch ? |
| 22:46.57 | Veratien | !nickometer Veratien |
| 22:46.58 | omi | jetx, I installed laptop recently this way |
| 22:47.01 | omi | seems fine |
| 22:47.08 | tarzeau | CVirus: sure, install only a minimal sarge first |
| 22:47.16 | omi | need to install server |
| 22:47.17 | CVirus | tarzeau, is this a must ? |
| 22:47.19 | omi | then xorg |
| 22:47.21 | jetx | CVirus: when you install, choose expert26, and when asked (eventually) choose testing |
| 22:47.21 | CVirus | tarzeau, and why should i ?! |
| 22:47.26 | omi | then switch apt to debian repository |
| 22:47.32 | jetx | CVirus: use any install disk |
| 22:47.33 | tarzeau | CVirus: i386? |
| 22:47.37 | CVirus | tarzeau, yes |
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| 22:48.02 | keir | there we go, i had an extra yorku sourc at the top that was not workirng |
| 22:48.11 | Veratien | I love that KDE 3.3 does that bouncy icon thing. :D |
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| 22:48.31 | banedon | ok |
| 22:48.34 | banedon | lilo sucks |
| 22:48.42 | omi | keir, are you also having issues with debian.yorku.ca as well? |
| 22:48.48 | banedon | I uncommented the menu for windows on /dev/hda1 |
| 22:48.51 | banedon | what the hell |
| 22:48.53 | Veratien | banedon: Don't say that to his face. :p |
| 22:48.56 | Whisky_ | tarzeau, Ive been trying every number :S isnt there a place on the web where i could see what permissions are set with what mode string ? |
| 22:49.02 | banedon | can I paste my lilo dual boot and see if anyone can debug it? |
| 22:49.18 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:49.18 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 22:49.22 | tarzeau | Whisky_: try 1700, 2700, 3700... |
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| 22:49.39 | tarzeau | banedon: full ack. lilo sucks |
| 22:49.43 | canis | l |
| 22:49.53 | canis | Can anyone help me with Exim? |
| 22:49.56 | Veratien | banedon: Install GRUB instead. ;p |
| 22:49.57 | aum | is there a way to show all the progs which are accessing ttyS0 ? (i uninstalled gpm, strange chars still being sent) |
| 22:49.59 | tarzeau | canis: #exim |
| 22:50.04 | canis | 'thankyou |
| 22:50.07 | jetx | grub bites, lilo sucks... wtf to do? |
| 22:50.13 | abrotman | write your own |
| 22:50.17 | paulswm | Whisky_: yes, "man chmod" |
| 22:50.17 | Whisky_ | tarzeau, noops :[ |
| 22:50.19 | jetx | lilo is easier |
| 22:50.34 | abrotman | jetx: define .. easier :) |
| 22:50.36 | aum | grpb is more flexible |
| 22:50.39 | paster | "banedon" at 69.175.214.236 pasted "lilo problem getting lilo to give me a menu for windows or linux not booting into linux" (135 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/411 |
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| 22:50.44 | abrotman | jetx: i find grub to be easier when it barfs |
| 22:50.46 | jetx | abrotman: i know how |
| 22:50.50 | tarzeau | Whisky_: what file is that? |
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| 22:50.57 | banedon | can anyone tell me where I am going wrong? |
| 22:51.03 | Whisky_ | tarzeau, splashy.fifo |
| 22:51.06 | jetx | OMFG my cat's butt STINKS! |
| 22:51.06 | abrotman | banedon: with regard to .. what? |
| 22:51.14 | abrotman | jetx: you moron .. sniff his ear ... |
| 22:51.18 | banedon | "banedon" at 69.175.214.236 pasted "lilo problem getting lilo to give me a menu for windows or linux not booting into linux" (135 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/411 |
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| 22:51.25 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
| 22:51.29 | jetx | 'she' jumped in my lap |
| 22:51.33 | tarzeau | good night, |
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| 22:51.37 | banedon | goal is to get a nice little boot menu with windows or debian |
| 22:51.40 | banedon | when iboot |
| 22:51.42 | abrotman | banedon: so .. no menu ? |
| 22:51.45 | banedon | nope |
| 22:51.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: night ? |
| 22:51.48 | banedon | loads debian |
| 22:51.52 | banedon | without asking questions |
| 22:51.59 | banedon | kinda nazi like little bugger |
| 22:52.03 | keir | omi, yeah, debian.yorku.ca seems incomplete |
| 22:52.10 | abrotman | banedon: have you ever used lilo ? |
| 22:52.15 | jetx | banedon: edit /etc/lilo.conf, go to the bottom, uncomment the other= lines, change em up to match your box, run lilo (type it) |
| 22:52.20 | banedon | only in a mandrake kinda way |
| 22:52.20 | abrotman | banedon: you need to uncomment prompt/timeout/delay lines |
| 22:52.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's 1 am here. and i'm like dead fucking tired |
| 22:52.22 | streuner_ | RichiH: good night |
| 22:52.24 | omi | I complained to people who run it but they say they are up to date |
| 22:52.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: wussy! |
| 22:52.28 | abrotman | RichiH: morning! |
| 22:52.29 | jetx | oh and that too |
| 22:52.30 | banedon | other =lines? |
| 22:52.33 | omi | this was a while ago |
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| 22:52.37 | jetx | yes |
| 22:52.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: amina koyim! |
| 22:52.42 | omi | keir, which packages are you missing |
| 22:52.43 | abrotman | hasta manana! |
| 22:52.46 | RichiH | abrotman: too early for that |
| 22:52.46 | jetx | they're at the bottom, banedon |
| 22:52.51 | abrotman | RichiH: heh |
| 22:52.53 | RichiH | streuner_: jo |
| 22:52.58 | prock | tarzeau: it's 7 here, and I probably just as tired |
| 22:53.02 | abrotman | banedon: then rerun lilo .. reboot |
| 22:53.09 | jetx | i think they say hurd by default |
| 22:53.13 | streuner_ | RichiH: Is there something in munich? |
| 22:53.13 | prock | (7pm) |
| 22:53.29 | streuner_ | RichiH: at this time? ;-) |
| 22:53.32 | jetx | the label |
| 22:53.45 | RichiH | streuner_: there's munich pretty much all over the place |
| 22:53.56 | tarzeau | prock: and you've been sad for the last few days too? |
| 22:54.22 | prock | tarzeau: sadness makes one tired |
| 22:54.36 | omi | being sad is selfish! |
| 22:54.39 | abrotman | banedon: all squared away ? |
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| 22:54.51 | Veratien | Woah, ok, Firefox does not play nicely on here... Anyone have any idea why all the buttons are wonky? Every time I hover and unhover, an 'imprint' of the button is left (outline sort of sticks on the screen). Same with menus. |
| 22:54.52 | abrotman | banedon: i told you exactly what to do |
| 22:55.05 | banedon | ok |
| 22:55.10 | banedon | did you look at the paste? |
| 22:55.15 | banedon | "banedon" at 69.175.214.236 pasted "lilo problem getting lilo to give me a menu for windows or linux not booting into linux" (135 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/411 |
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| 22:55.20 | abrotman | banedon: yes .. i did .. i told you what to do |
| 22:55.37 | exobyte | anyone here ever use makedevs? |
| 22:55.52 | Zero00oo | can somebody help me plz i got an error when i want to install ieee80211 driver plz #zero |
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| 22:56.14 | canis | i think everyone is dead at their keyboards in #exim :-) |
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| 22:57.48 | jetx | no i didn't look but i will. however, you've been told what you need (unless you really barfed your box somehow) |
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| 22:57.57 | keir | omi, pretty much all of the packages needed to install x-window-system. after that i switched to just debian.org |
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| 22:58.19 | jetx | abrotman knew all |
| 22:58.25 | abrotman | i am a god |
| 22:58.29 | jetx | uncomment the prompt and delay, rerun lilo |
| 22:58.30 | abrotman | well .. at least in my apartment |
| 22:58.37 | abrotman | jetx: and timeout! |
| 22:58.41 | abrotman | always gotta have time out |
| 22:58.44 | jetx | oh yeah and timeout |
| 22:58.58 | jetx | timeout is : 150 = 15 seconds |
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| 22:59.03 | jetx | 50 = 5 seconds |
| 22:59.06 | omi | Anyone knows why when I create MD device with debianinstaller (from 3 scsi drives if you're curious) and create partitions on /dev/md/0 system doesn't create /dev/md/0p1 p2 ...... ????? |
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| 22:59.18 | jetx | that's how long you will see the menu before it boots the default |
| 22:59.54 | paster | "banedon" at 69.175.214.236 pasted "ok take 2 with lilo dual boot menu prob" (135 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/412 |
| 22:59.59 | banedon | ok hows this look |
| 23:00.06 | streuner_ | RichiH: http://www.wanadoo.fr/bin/frame.cgi?service=ma_ville&u=http%3A//paris.tourismeville.wanadoo.fr/index.php%3Ftheme%3Dwebcam |
| 23:00.06 | omi | or perhaps someone remembers numbers to create /dev/md/0p1 ? |
| 23:00.31 | banedon | ok |
| 23:00.34 | banedon | hows that look |
| 23:00.36 | jetx | ya good. run lilo |
| 23:00.44 | banedon | "banedon" at 69.175.214.236 pasted "ok take 2 with lilo dual boot menu prob" (135 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/412 |
| 23:00.53 | abrotman | banedon: uncomment delay |
| 23:00.53 | banedon | should this give me a menu |
| 23:00.56 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 23:01.01 | banedon | delay=20 |
| 23:01.01 | jetx | abrotman: yeah there's 2 |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | banedon: i'd up delay a bit .. |
| 23:01.07 | abrotman | banedon: but otherwise .. fine |
| 23:01.09 | banedon | liek 40? |
| 23:01.18 | banedon | this should give me menu |
| 23:01.21 | banedon | i can pick windows |
| 23:01.22 | jetx | yes |
| 23:01.22 | banedon | ? |
| 23:01.22 | abrotman | yep .. |
| 23:01.27 | banedon | ok |
| 23:01.31 | abrotman | banedon: gotta remember to rerun /sbin/lilo |
| 23:01.37 | jetx | as root |
| 23:01.44 | jetx | or sudo it' |
| 23:01.46 | omi | Anyone remembers numbers to create /dev/md/0p1 ? |
| 23:02.22 | paster | "banedon" at 69.175.214.236 pasted "when i run lilo as root" (7 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/413 |
| 23:02.25 | banedon | ok |
| 23:02.32 | banedon | when I run lilo as root I get this |
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| 23:03.04 | banedon | should I comment out that linux.old shit |
| 23:03.08 | abrotman | no |
| 23:03.09 | abrotman | leave it |
| 23:03.11 | banedon | ok |
| 23:03.18 | banedon | shoud i reboot to try it out? |
| 23:03.22 | abrotman | i forget if that thing about partitions is important |
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| 23:03.24 | abrotman | jetx: is it ? |
| 23:03.47 | jetx | what? |
| 23:03.52 | abrotman | jetx: read his paste |
| 23:03.55 | banedon | heh |
| 23:03.57 | abrotman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/413 |
| 23:04.04 | jetx | yeah don't sweat that one |
| 23:04.06 | banedon | 8-) |
| 23:04.11 | banedon | reboot n try? |
| 23:04.18 | abrotman | apparently |
| 23:04.18 | banedon | it keep going str8 into linux b 4 |
| 23:04.25 | jetx | me, i'd comment the alias back |
| 23:04.25 | banedon | no menu |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | banedon: Linux is still the default |
| 23:04.32 | jetx | in the windows one |
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| 23:04.47 | jetx | but yeah you WILL get a menu that you can choose windoes from |
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| 23:05.22 | banedon | comment out alias=2 |
| 23:05.23 | banedon | ? |
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| 23:05.41 | banedon | ? |
| 23:06.04 | banedon | jatx? |
| 23:06.07 | banedon | jetx? |
| 23:06.27 | aalex | Hi! I am looking for a laptop. What would be best for Debian ? I would like to have my sound card working out of the box if possible. I might choose the distro Agnula (Debian). Should I go P4 rather than AthlonXP ? |
| 23:06.29 | jetx | look at your config? |
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| 23:06.33 | Veratien | jetx: Still can't find a mirror with nvidia-glx on it. Does apt have a similar system to portage for masking packages? Do I need to pass an equivilent of ACCEPT_KEYWORDS to grab it, or is it telling me to go to the website and wing it myself? :p |
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| 23:06.49 | abrotman | aalex: uhm .. |
| 23:06.52 | Veratien | 'Cause, y'know, 800x600 on this screen is painful... :p |
| 23:06.59 | jetx | Veratien: do you have non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:07.08 | jetx | !find nvidia-glx |
| 23:07.10 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'nvidia-glx' (2): nvidia-glx ;; nvidia-glx-dev. |
| 23:07.21 | abrotman | aalex: just install debian .. |
| 23:07.23 | jetx | !info nvidia-glx |
| 23:07.24 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 23:07.25 | Veratien | jetx: as "stable main non-free" I'm assuming? |
| 23:07.29 | jetx | yes |
| 23:07.33 | Veratien | No. :p |
| 23:07.35 | Veratien | Thanks. |
| 23:07.36 | abrotman | aalex: and we can't tell you which kernel unless you tell us which CPU you have |
| 23:07.42 | jetx | add contrib if you're gonna add non-free (imo) |
| 23:07.44 | Whisky_ | jetx, i want to set permission on a file to prwx------ but chmod only sets in numbers and i tried around more than 2 dozens, none worked :[ |
| 23:07.58 | jetx | chmod +x blah functions |
| 23:08.16 | Whisky_ | :/ |
| 23:08.27 | jetx | wtf is p |
| 23:08.29 | abrotman | Whisky_: you need to read man chmod |
| 23:08.37 | jetx | but hey try chmod +p |
| 23:08.37 | abrotman | jetx: special file iirc |
| 23:08.49 | francisquillo | holaaaa maja |
| 23:08.55 | salvia | how much time does it takes to a fresh registered domain to get on zoneedit ? |
| 23:08.58 | abrotman | jetx: like .. /dev/xconsole |
| 23:08.58 | salvia | around .. |
| 23:09.02 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:09.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:09.21 | Whisky_ | abrotman, im too tired :[ 4:10 am :s |
| 23:09.27 | abrotman | you're too lazy to read? |
| 23:09.36 | jetx | salvia: they say up to 24 hours to propagate |
| 23:09.41 | abrotman | fucking read .. don't be so god damned lazy |
| 23:09.45 | Whisky_ | too tired to |
| 23:09.45 | salvia | im waiting over 48 |
| 23:09.47 | salvia | weird |
| 23:09.50 | [IDR]RedDrake | nighty night |
| 23:09.58 | Veratien | jetx: Ah, I needed contrib as well in order to install it anyway. Thanks for the help. :) |
| 23:10.00 | salvia | ** server can't find new-age-pub.org: SERVFAIL |
| 23:10.01 | Whisky_ | ive been reading since morning, heh |
| 23:10.06 | thingfish | too much pot makes you lazy. |
| 23:10.06 | jetx | np |
| 23:10.07 | salvia | jetx whats SERVFAIL |
| 23:10.17 | jetx | a server failed? i dunno |
| 23:10.20 | salvia | aight |
| 23:10.21 | xsdg | salvia: DNS failure |
| 23:10.33 | xsdg | salvia: check your DNS server logs, I'd say |
| 23:10.41 | abrotman | salvia: try whois .. not nslookup |
| 23:10.42 | salvia | zoneedit |
| 23:11.06 | abrotman | salvia: dig -tANY new-age-pub.org |
| 23:11.26 | abrotman | though .. ti's not consistant |
| 23:11.27 | salvia | seems ok |
| 23:11.39 | abrotman | like one of your servers has it .. and the other doesn't |
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| 23:11.47 | abrotman | salvia: do it more than once |
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| 23:12.07 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite abrotman |
| 23:12.07 | ravenbird | abrotman: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 23:12.11 | salvia | seems ok |
| 23:12.14 | abrotman | !phillysmite FieldySnuts |
| 23:12.24 | FieldySnuts | i was gonna laugh if you got ignored too |
| 23:12.30 | abrotman | salvia: i'm getting different answers |
| 23:12.39 | FieldySnuts | what is with the clothespin |
| 23:12.51 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's a landmark in philly .. let me find a picture |
| 23:13.07 | salvia | abrotman what that means |
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| 23:13.22 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: http://www.gophila.com/culturefiles/publicart/cityhallarea/Near-CityHall.white.jpg |
| 23:13.30 | abrotman | salvia: huh? |
| 23:13.39 | salvia | what the different answers means |
| 23:13.54 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: http://lib.nu/g/phl/mg_metro.jpg |
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| 23:14.06 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's a place called .. Love Park iirc |
| 23:14.21 | abrotman | salvia: servers not in sync .. give it a bit .. it will work itself out |
| 23:14.32 | jetx | what would i type to see if exim4 is running? psaux | grep -i exim ? |
| 23:14.34 | salvia | hmmm, how much is it usualy takes |
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| 23:14.47 | abrotman | salvia: not my provider .. nfc |
| 23:14.51 | ma3x | peeople |
| 23:15.02 | ma3x | when i boot with tomsbootroot and i enter /cdrom and type 'ls' |
| 23:15.14 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: curious |
| 23:15.15 | ma3x | and it says bad data or something |
| 23:15.21 | ma3x | using "crumb" |
| 23:15.26 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i'll say :) |
| 23:15.27 | ma3x | what's crumb and why does it show that? |
| 23:15.32 | salvia | abrotman remember as we talked about the sarge installation, you sure 100% that its not safe using the testing distribution |
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| 23:15.39 | jetx | bash: psaux: command not found ?? |
| 23:15.41 | salvia | even if u change sources.list on post installation |
| 23:15.53 | jetx | did i have a brainfart and forget the command? |
| 23:15.57 | abrotman | salvia: it's just unknown what you would have installed had it been done with a testing source line |
| 23:16.09 | abrotman | jetx: ps aux :) |
| 23:16.12 | pngwn | ps aux |
| 23:16.13 | jetx | ahh thankee |
| 23:16.19 | abrotman | !tard jetx |
| 23:16.20 | wcs | does any one know if there is an issue with the netfilter patch-o-matic cvs server? |
| 23:16.41 | ma3x | hello |
| 23:16.42 | salvia | so its okay leaving it with this system or should i argue with the sysadmin to reinstall |
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| 23:16.51 | ma3x | anybody used tomsrootboot? |
| 23:17.24 | nkuttler | ma3x: why? |
| 23:17.27 | alexk_ | Hi, I'm running the tiger auditor and when it runs chkrootkit it says Possible LKM Trojan installed but when I run chkrootkit from the command line it says everything is fine. Any ideas as to why there would be a difference? |
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| 23:18.55 | abrotman | salvia: that's up to you .. |
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| 23:19.51 | ma3x | nkuttler i just booted |
| 23:20.00 | ma3x | and did 'ls' in /cdrom |
| 23:20.17 | ma3x | and it showed something like 14 MB file instead of 1,1 GByte |
| 23:20.32 | ma3x | and it said using crumb or crump option |
| 23:20.40 | ma3x | i dunno whats that supposed to mean |
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| 23:21.07 | ma3x | i mean i mounted the dvd with -t iso9660 |
| 23:21.10 | ma3x | that's what it is right? |
| 23:21.57 | ma3x | nkuttler wher did you go pal? |
| 23:22.12 | ma3x | don leave me alone plz |
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| 23:23.02 | spiorf | ma3x, hi! |
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| 23:24.08 | abrotman | dpkg: bring KFC to my house |
| 23:24.32 | ma3x | yo sp! |
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| 23:25.12 | ma3x | is dvd iso9660? |
| 23:25.24 | Veratien | Don't think so. |
| 23:25.31 | shay | ufs.. |
| 23:25.37 | Veratien | That one. |
| 23:25.43 | ma3x | is it ufs? |
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| 23:25.45 | ma3x | really? |
| 23:25.47 | Veratien | Yerp. |
| 23:25.59 | ma3x | damn, no wonder it showed me 14 mb instead of 1GB |
| 23:26.08 | Veratien | hehe |
| 23:26.21 | ma3x | ufs, not udf? |
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| 23:27.33 | ma3x | ive become debian addict |
| 23:28.04 | ma3x | lalalalalaa |
| 23:28.16 | ma3x | have you people thought about getting 1 day free |
| 23:28.22 | Veratien | ? |
| 23:28.29 | Veratien | Strange little man... |
| 23:28.31 | ma3x | no computer, no keyboard |
| 23:28.42 | Veratien | BLASPHEMY! |
| 23:28.44 | wcs | does any one know where to find ip_conntrack_pptp |
| 23:28.51 | ma3x | completly stay way out from the box |
| 23:28.54 | wcs | that applys CLEANLY to 2.6.SOMETHING |
| 23:29.04 | ma3x | 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:29.13 | wcs | yes... |
| 23:29.45 | wcs | this is fucking bullshit... ready for prime time networking my ass. I should have used open bsd for this bullshit |
| 23:30.03 | ma3x | why dude, deb's fine |
| 23:30.26 | abrotman | #iptables ? |
| 23:30.27 | ma3x | bsd users are way too high |
| 23:30.36 | ma3x | but their girlsfriends are sweet! |
| 23:30.40 | wcs | ma3x: Do you know how to get iptables to sucessuly forward gre protocol over masqurading |
| 23:30.49 | wcs | ma3x: if you don't know how to do this |
| 23:30.57 | wcs | ma3x: stfu when it comes to me ratning |
| 23:31.06 | wcs | abrotman: I asked their no answer |
| 23:31.31 | abrotman | wcs: i wouldn't htink you'd need to patch to get that |
| 23:31.58 | wcs | abrotman: ya do, but none of them are cleanly applying, and while I'm fine diving into hunks of code on my home box |
| 23:32.02 | wcs | this is production |
| 23:32.27 | abrotman | wcs: you're trying to forward pptp traffic ? |
| 23:32.36 | wcs | abrotman: yeah |
| 23:32.48 | wcs | abrotman: fuckers won't listen to me here about using ipsec |
| 23:32.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:32.59 | abrotman | you could just .. do it ? |
| 23:33.14 | wcs | abrotman: but then I'd have to support it |
| 23:33.19 | wcs | that's a no go |
| 23:33.20 | abrotman | wcs: this isbad ? |
| 23:33.29 | canis | heh, still not a single word on #exim :-) |
| 23:33.38 | wcs | abrotman: I've been here at work for an extra 4 hours |
| 23:33.39 | wcs | so far |
| 23:33.41 | abrotman | peopel sleep sometimes |
| 23:33.48 | wcs | so yeah, it's a little annoying if nothing else |
| 23:34.02 | abrotman | wcs: and you said #iptables is silent ? |
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| 23:34.09 | wcs | iptables and netfilter |
| 23:34.11 | wcs | are dead |
| 23:34.19 | TheAsp | what kernel |
| 23:34.27 | wcs | 2.6.11.3 |
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| 23:34.34 | macsimm | hi |
| 23:34.34 | abrotman | wcs: are you trying to patch a kernel.org kernel .. or a debian one ? |
| 23:34.39 | TheAsp | have you tried others? |
| 23:34.40 | wcs | kernel.org |
| 23:34.52 | TheAsp | like, the current kernel? |
| 23:35.04 | wcs | sorry |
| 23:35.07 | wcs | it's 2.6.12.3 |
| 23:35.10 | wcs | it's the current one |
| 23:35.13 | abrotman | wcs: no readme in the sources to tell you what to patch against ? |
| 23:35.23 | wcs | they have there own little program |
| 23:35.27 | wcs | that applys the patchs for you |
| 23:35.35 | wcs | and it's applying against the right files |
| 23:35.38 | wcs | just not cleanly |
| 23:35.42 | wcs | I could force it |
| 23:35.44 | wcs | and see what happens |
| 23:35.47 | wcs | but that's not kosher |
| 23:35.54 | macsimm | I've got this url, where I want to add the http://ftp.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/debian/ to my sources.list but I don't find the syntaxe |
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| 23:36.23 | wcs | because everytime this box gets rebooted our entire office network goes up and down |
| 23:36.27 | abrotman | macsimm: deb http://ftp.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/debian/ sarge main .. or something simlilar |
| 23:36.57 | macsimm | abrotman: I try |
| 23:37.32 | macsimm | abrotman: no :/ |
| 23:37.39 | abrotman | macsimm: why not ? |
| 23:37.40 | zOap | when installing rpms, is alien preferred or apt4rpm. what is the differences? what about dependencies? |
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| 23:37.53 | abrotman | zOap: alien .. |
| 23:37.55 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
| 23:38.04 | abrotman | zOap: what are you trying to alien ? |
| 23:38.08 | TheAsp | wcb: have you tried asking on the mailing list? |
| 23:38.21 | abrotman | wcs: |
| 23:38.23 | zOap | abrotman, ok, no, nothing really, just reading, and learning:) |
| 23:38.27 | TheAsp | zOap: apt4rpm is for rpm based dists |
| 23:38.33 | zOap | ok |
| 23:38.44 | wcs | abrotman: yes? |
| 23:38.51 | macsimm | any japanese here ? who can tell me in the website if they give the syntaxe ? |
| 23:39.02 | abrotman | wcs: TheAsp asked you a question |
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| 23:39.06 | abrotman | but misfired |
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| 23:39.10 | TheAsp | ahh |
| 23:39.11 | TheAsp | i did |
| 23:39.21 | abrotman | macsimm: why not use apt-setup ? |
| 23:39.32 | wcs | ah he spelled my name wrong and I missed it sorry |
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| 23:39.39 | wcs | TheAsp: not yet. |
| 23:39.45 | macsimm | abrotman: I try :) |
| 23:39.48 | wcs | TheAsp: I'm sitting here at work |
| 23:40.06 | TheAsp | wcs: how about trying 2.6.11? |
| 23:40.07 | soukihei | any ideas how i can get kdevelop3 installed on my unstable box? |
| 23:40.14 | ecliptik | sorry not debian related, but is there any sci-fi where two earth-like planets orbit one another, and a civilization like ours sends a manned mission to explore it? |
| 23:40.50 | wcs | TheAsp: might be worth a shot. |
| 23:40.51 | TheAsp | ecliptik: hmm, that sounds like it could be the secret in lost . . . :P |
| 23:41.02 | X2 | hi, im having a bit of trouble with JACK. Everytime i try to start the jack audio server it says that it could not load the driver module alsa. Could anyone help? thanks |
| 23:41.17 | abrotman | X2: setup alsa |
| 23:41.40 | abrotman | ecliptik: might also want to ask #linux or another large channel |
| 23:41.54 | ecliptik | TheAsp, haha good idea |
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| 23:42.07 | ecliptik | abrotman, alrite cool, sorry it's not really debian, just thought someone here may know |
| 23:42.13 | X2 | abrotman: i did |
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| 23:42.41 | X2 | abrotman: what other module/lib would it need? |
| 23:42.45 | abrotman | ecliptik: i know .. that's why i said to maybe ask another large channel |
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| 23:43.17 | abrotman | X2: nfc .. did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 23:43.46 | ecliptik | on a debian related note though I heard from a friend who works at Progeny that after Linuxconf there's going to be some big news |
| 23:44.05 | X2 | abrotman: no, im using the premade ome |
| 23:44.09 | X2 | abrotman: one ** |
| 23:44.15 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 23:44.24 | X2 | cannot lock down memory for jackd (Operation not permitted) |
| 23:44.31 | X2 | ? |
| 23:44.34 | abrotman | odd error |
| 23:45.26 | TheAsp | ecliptik: is it about how their current version of cups is b0rked for rh7.3? :) |
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| 23:45.43 | ecliptik | TheAsp, haha no, it was something about DCC |
| 23:46.05 | abrotman | ecliptik: you should read murdocks blog |
| 23:46.25 | ecliptik | abrotman, I do every other day |
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| 23:47.07 | TheAsp | i even speelt it right a few times too |
| 23:47.29 | abrotman | ecliptik: i'd guess you already know then |
| 23:48.08 | abrotman | ecliptik: i'm not sure what other news Progeny would have |
| 23:48.19 | abrotman | ecliptik: unless they landed some damn big contract |
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| 23:49.04 | X2 | abrotman: i can play using normal alsa but i'd like to use jack because XMMS is being a bitch and i'd like to use MOC so it has clean playback. |
| 23:49.10 | ecliptik | abrotman, I dunno either, she just said she coudln't say anything until after linuxconf is over |
| 23:49.21 | abrotman | ecliptik: which linuxconf ? |
| 23:49.31 | abrotman | ecliptik: the one this week in SF ? |
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| 23:49.49 | ecliptik | abrotman, I believe so, she wasn't specific, I'll ask her more when she signs back online |
| 23:50.06 | abrotman | X2: xmms works fine with alsa .. i use it every day :) |
| 23:50.32 | abrotman | ecliptik: err .. i just linuxworld isn't till two weeks form now |
| 23:50.34 | abrotman | from now |
| 23:50.38 | abrotman | err guess .. not just |
| 23:50.43 | abrotman | ffs .. i'm stupid |
| 23:50.44 | X2 | abrotman: i know, but lately, xmms has been a bitch and i want to use MOC with jack with an equalizer |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | X2: on sarge or sid ? |
| 23:51.06 | X2 | sarge |
| 23:51.17 | abrotman | did you check the BTS ? |
| 23:51.18 | X2 | wait .. etch or testing or whatever it is |
| 23:51.25 | X2 | not yet |
| 23:51.28 | ecliptik | abrotman, I'm going to assume it's the on in SF Aug 8-11 |
| 23:51.36 | ecliptik | I'll find out more tonite and let you know |
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| 23:51.46 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 23:51.54 | abrotman | X2: you might want .. might be known |
| 23:52.07 | X2 | okay, i'll have a look |
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| 23:56.57 | X2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.03 | X2 | ARRAgh |
| 23:57.05 | X2 | thats my card |
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| 23:57.58 | abrotman | X2: argh! |
| 23:58.19 | abarbaccia | hey guys - i installed a multiuser install of debian but its telling me that in /var/lib theres no room and i only installed a webserver and desktop! |
| 23:58.49 | phogg | abarbaccia: no room? No disk space? |
| 23:58.53 | X2 | then i guess there is no room? |
| 23:58.53 | cureless | abarbaccia: so is there no room? |
| 23:58.58 | X2 | lol |
| 23:59.38 | FieldySnuts | sftp> lrm *.png invalid command |
| 23:59.40 | FieldySnuts | peice of shit |
| 23:59.57 | X2 | well thats a pain in the posteria. stupid yamaha cards. |
