| 00:00.23 | deepz | i have configured nagios in sarge |
| 00:00.35 | deepz | and iam checking it in abrowaser in same machine |
| 00:00.40 | TardFour | stryakr: Nothing comes preinstalled in Debian. You have to install Debian, it doesn't come on the computer, or with a neat sticker on the case. |
| 00:00.53 | shingouz | user___: pm? |
| 00:00.58 | user___ | shingouz ? |
| 00:01.10 | TardFour | stryakr: tasksel after you install will get you all the GUI you can eat, though. |
| 00:02.17 | daedalus_ | deepz, Ah. Never used nagios. Sorry. |
| 00:02.25 | deepz | ok thks |
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| 00:02.41 | deepz | hey guys anybody in nagios |
| 00:03.13 | cafuego | goooogle! |
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| 00:03.34 | ma3x | what is statusoverride file ? |
| 00:03.43 | ma3x | where is it? |
| 00:03.59 | stryakr | ya, tasksel was the cmd |
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| 00:04.02 | ma3x | hello, anybody hOME? |
| 00:04.08 | deadcat | ma3x: no |
| 00:04.09 | stryakr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:04.31 | ma3x | deadcat help dude, im getting this error |
| 00:04.35 | ma3x | dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `backuppc' in statusoverride file |
| 00:04.36 | stryakr | im t4h be4st |
| 00:04.46 | ma3x | wether i try to remove or install backuppc |
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| 00:05.54 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 00:06.19 | solemnwarning | i have qt installed but i keep getting this error |
| 00:06.40 | jim | ma3x: about major mistakes in installing things... sure, it's possible you installed a package that would have caused you problems no matter what,,, but, there could also be configuration to do, and understanding of the package in general |
| 00:07.02 | solemnwarning | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 00:07.02 | solemnwarning | For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. |
| 00:07.13 | solemnwarning | what should i do? |
| 00:07.28 | ma3x | jim how do i resolve the problem now? |
| 00:07.29 | daedalus_ | .... |
| 00:07.30 | jim | look at more details about this problem? |
| 00:07.34 | solemnwarning | i did |
| 00:07.36 | solemnwarning | no help |
| 00:07.36 | ma3x | it's not allowing me to install anything (dpkg) |
| 00:07.50 | jim | ma3x: why? |
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| 00:08.05 | ma3x | it's giving me that error for user backuppc in override file |
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| 00:08.16 | ma3x | but what override file is, i have no idea |
| 00:08.17 | daedalus_ | solemnwarning, Well, do you have a version of QT >= 3.0.3? |
| 00:08.25 | solemnwarning | i have whats on apt |
| 00:08.25 | jim | did you install backuppc as a debian package? |
| 00:08.48 | ma3x | yes him |
| 00:08.51 | ma3x | jim* |
| 00:09.00 | stryakr | if i tasksel and install all the options, is there a need for a second computer to ask for help, or with it be ok |
| 00:09.00 | jim | hmm |
| 00:09.07 | FirstLite | ma3x: Just curious, try cat /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
| 00:09.08 | jim | what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:09.15 | stryakr | me? |
| 00:09.18 | solemnwarning | what should i do? |
| 00:09.24 | breedx | jim: when you load snd-virmidi, can you tell me what /dev/midi* and/or /dev/snd/midi* devices you have (before and after loading)? |
| 00:09.25 | stryakr | newest if so |
| 00:09.32 | ma3x | backuppc backuppc 4755 /usr/share/backuppc/cgi-bin/index.cgi |
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| 00:10.00 | jim | damn :) |
| 00:10.10 | jim | cgi is yesterday's petunias :) |
| 00:11.28 | ma3x | FirstLite that solved the problem thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks! |
| 00:11.47 | solemnwarning | what should i do? |
| 00:12.12 | jim | I have /proc/asound/card0/midi[012] |
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| 00:12.20 | FirstLite | ma3x: no prob. Not really sure what I did, though :) Did you just delete that line? |
| 00:12.30 | ma3x | yes |
| 00:12.31 | breedx | jim: right, but what about /dev? |
| 00:12.49 | jim | is there an alsa way to print out all the devices it knows about? |
| 00:13.01 | FirstLite | ma3x: OK, well, glad it worked :) |
| 00:13.08 | breedx | aconnect -lio (?) |
| 00:14.38 | solemnwarning | what should i do??? |
| 00:14.38 | jim | aconnect -o shows among other things.... client 64: 'EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) - Rawmidi 0' [type=kernel] \n 0 'EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART)' |
| 00:15.06 | breedx | jim: yeah, that's the hardware midi port on your sb card |
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| 00:16.07 | jim | ok, that's what I have before loading the modules |
| 00:16.08 | user___ | can you have several things playing on sound? i have alsa... and say when i pause my xmms clinet i want some stuf fin browser to be played. is that possible? |
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| 00:16.30 | bugiam2 | hello |
| 00:16.50 | jim | plus a hardware port for midi input (same as the output one) |
| 00:16.54 | breedx | user___: I assume you mean flash in your browser? i think it only does oss right now |
| 00:17.01 | breedx | I've seen flash block jackd before |
| 00:17.05 | breedx | but it should be compat with alsa |
| 00:17.13 | Anders | Flash is OSS |
| 00:17.17 | breedx | user___: but yes, you can have several things playing at the same time w/ alsa |
| 00:17.39 | user___ | breedx you'd need some sound daemon? |
| 00:17.41 | breedx | xmms and flash should work at the same time. |
| 00:17.50 | breedx | user___: no sound daemon needed....alsa does the mixing. |
| 00:18.18 | breedx | just make sure you're not using "true" oss sound, let alsa do the oss emulation |
| 00:18.22 | user___ | breedx cause for example i have xmms playing and i start mplayer it wont' start untill i stop (not even pause xmms |
| 00:18.38 | jim | breedx: so you got the module you wanted built, yes? and it works too? |
| 00:18.43 | bugiam2 | i just installed debian and can't load X-windows cause i choosed the wrong graphical output, can someone point me to a tutorial on how to fix this maybe? (noob) |
| 00:18.45 | breedx | user___: lsmod | grep oss |
| 00:18.59 | breedx | do you have oss loaded or snd_pcm_oss (you want the latter) |
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| 00:19.06 | jim | !drcx |
| 00:19.09 | user___ | breedx most of the stuff is compiled into the kernel. and no oss |
| 00:19.16 | breedx | bah, that should work. |
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| 00:19.26 | asuffield | alsa doesn't do software mixing by default |
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| 00:20.06 | asuffield | furthermore, it doesn't work for oss emulation |
| 00:20.07 | jim | asuffield: so you'd put software mixers in userland if you wanted that, right? |
| 00:20.32 | breedx | asuffield: well, I just confirmed that mplayer and xmms work at the same time (both outputting audio) |
| 00:20.50 | user___ | breedx let me double check that |
| 00:21.04 | asuffield | breedx: then, assuming you didn't manually configure software mixing, you have *hardware* mixing in your sound card |
| 00:21.11 | jim | porn and bubblegum tunes! |
| 00:21.13 | breedx | asuffield: modinfo snd_pcm_oss-- PCM OSS emulation for ALSA. |
| 00:21.17 | jim | at the same time even! |
| 00:21.20 | asuffield | alsa does support that, and so does oss. assuming that your sound card supports it. |
| 00:21.27 | breedx | asuffield: that's probably it then. |
| 00:21.43 | resiak | !drxx bugiam2 |
| 00:21.43 | dpkg | bugiam2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:21.44 | asuffield | if your sound card doesn't, you're stuck |
| 00:21.50 | breedx | so basically the hw allows multiple clients to connect, and it does the mixing in hardware? |
| 00:22.03 | asuffield | yup |
| 00:22.04 | bugiam2 | thanks resiak |
| 00:22.11 | breedx | werd...thanks for the clear up. |
| 00:22.11 | asuffield | and usually a limited number of streams at once |
| 00:22.15 | asuffield | like 16 or 32 |
| 00:22.37 | asuffield | modern soundblasters usually do this. motherboard ac97 chipsets usually do not |
| 00:22.58 | breedx | user___: sorry for confusing things....I misspoke. you get all that? |
| 00:23.11 | resiak | asuffield: Do you know if it would be infeasible to do dmix for oss emulation? |
| 00:23.13 | jim | is ac97 just have fm sound effects? |
| 00:23.15 | user___ | breedx not quite |
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| 00:23.27 | asuffield | resiak: I don't know. all I know is that currently it isn't done |
| 00:23.44 | breedx | asuffield: directx in windows does software mixing if need be, right? |
| 00:23.47 | resiak | asuffield: Right, I know that from experience. :) |
| 00:23.58 | breedx | asuffield: but defaults to the hardware when available? |
| 00:24.10 | asuffield | breedx: kinda. directx software mixing sucks and should be avoided at all costs |
| 00:24.23 | asuffield | that's why games and shit implement their own software mixing |
| 00:24.39 | breedx | asuffield: cool...I suspect the stuff I was doing was in HW and I didn't know it (just like alsa) |
| 00:24.44 | user___ | so, how does stuff like that works in windows and not in linux? |
| 00:24.48 | asuffield | generally it's just there so that your IM client can interrupt your game with a trumpting noise and screw everything up |
| 00:26.04 | FirstLite | msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 00:27.12 | user___ | LSA lib pcm_direct.c:196:(make_local_socket) connect failed: /tmp/alsa-dmix-8131-1122760589-850199: No such file or directory |
| 00:27.13 | user___ | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:834:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to connect client |
| 00:27.13 | user___ | alsa-init: playback open error: No such file or directory |
| 00:27.17 | asuffield | user___: windows prefers half-arsed solutions. doesn't matter if it's actually broken so long as it works some of the time |
| 00:27.19 | Eonn_ | Can an OP kick my shadow 'Eonn' |
| 00:27.38 | user___ | that is what happens when i try to lay mplayer with xmms on |
| 00:28.06 | orchid | Eonn_: /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 00:28.07 | jim | Eonn_: /help newuser and /msg nickserv help |
| 00:28.09 | bugiam2 | resiak: i get "conflicting commands" |
| 00:28.09 | liquid_ | you do toilet |
| 00:28.22 | Eonn_ | thanks |
| 00:28.25 | resiak | bugiam2: In what context? |
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| 00:28.32 | resiak | bugiam2: And is that the exact error? |
| 00:28.40 | bugiam2 | hold on. |
| 00:28.45 | user___ | s/lay/play |
| 00:29.00 | liquid_ | fuck! |
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| 00:29.53 | ma3x | how to apply the initrd cramfs patch to the kernel that i am installing (debian way) |
| 00:30.02 | resiak | ma3x: Ignore the message. |
| 00:30.03 | jim | resiak: one thing you can do there, is just wait until they provide precise information, and have them msg dpkg smart questions and read every word at that link.... |
| 00:30.12 | jim | that way they never waste your time |
| 00:30.21 | resiak | jim: Do you not think that I do that? |
| 00:30.39 | jim | or you can simply not answer at all |
| 00:30.52 | ma3x | resiak if i ignore it i wont be able to boot |
| 00:30.55 | ma3x | it causes kernel panic |
| 00:31.07 | resiak | ma3x: Where did you get your kernel source from? |
| 00:31.29 | ma3x | aptitude |
| 00:31.40 | ma3x | i mean GRUB is pretty rude |
| 00:31.40 | jim | ma3x: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:31.47 | bugiam2 | resiak: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" gives "command not found". "dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xfree86" gives "conflicting actions --control and --remove" |
| 00:31.50 | ma3x | it doesn't update properly for the new kernel |
| 00:32.05 | resiak | ma3x: And are you sure that it's panicking because it can't read cramfs? The Debian kernel source _has_ that patch. |
| 00:32.08 | ma3x | stable jimbop |
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| 00:32.20 | resiak | bugiam2: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:32.26 | jim | ma3x: you can always boot anyway with grub... (this is not true of lilo) |
| 00:32.48 | bugiam2 | resiak: debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 00:32.57 | resiak | Eeenteresting. |
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| 00:33.20 | alien_ | hello |
| 00:33.35 | resiak | bugiam2: Oh, wait. |
| 00:33.43 | asuffield | resiak: aha, alsa-oss provides userspace oss emulation that uses libasound. that'll work with dmix |
| 00:33.46 | jim | ma3x: it will take a bit of learning on your part about grub to be able to do that reliably... but you can tell grub to drop you into a grub shell upon boot, and from there you can boot anything you have |
| 00:33.52 | resiak | bugiam2: What part of "(as root)" do you not understand? |
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| 00:34.06 | resiak | asuffield: Yes, it does, but you have to run everything with aoss foo. |
| 00:34.09 | asuffield | the kernel-level /dev/dsp emulation has the basic problem that, being in the kernel, it doesn't use libasound, which is where dmix is implemented |
| 00:34.11 | bugiam2 | resiak: i'm completly n00b also. i just logged in and typed that |
| 00:34.14 | jim | "as"! |
| 00:34.16 | asuffield | so that'd have to change |
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| 00:34.23 | Eonn_ | alein hey |
| 00:34.27 | bugiam2 | i'm gonna log in as root, hold on |
| 00:34.36 | asuffield | resiak: yeah, works though |
| 00:34.54 | resiak | asuffield: Yes, but it's annoying. If I had a spare few months... |
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| 00:35.05 | user___ | so, any suggestions how could i make the sound work together at the same time in xmms and player? |
| 00:35.18 | jim | didn't you jsut do that? |
| 00:35.20 | breedx | I swear once I get these friggin issues resolved I'm never going to upgrade another package ever. :) |
| 00:35.25 | breedx | or kernel |
| 00:35.32 | breedx | and never buy another piece of hardware |
| 00:35.35 | user___ | jim, talking to me? no, i pasted errors |
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| 00:35.40 | ma3x | jim look this: if i update-grub it detects root (hd0,1) and its supposed to be 0,0 |
| 00:35.54 | ma3x | and it mounts /dev/hda2, which is not correct |
| 00:35.58 | ma3x | it should mount /dev/hda1 |
| 00:36.03 | jim | once you get the issues resolved, you'll be upgrading kernels and packages like it was nothing :) |
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| 00:36.06 | ma3x | why does it update so silly? |
| 00:36.10 | ma3x | yeah yeah |
| 00:36.13 | jim | it makes a file |
| 00:36.14 | breedx | jim: hardly |
| 00:36.23 | breedx | jim: I'm just tired of the breakage. |
| 00:36.28 | jim | when it detects your devices |
| 00:36.40 | asuffield | resiak: the 'easy' approach would probably be to teach the kernel how to pass audio to userspace, in the same manner that the midi softsynth stuff works |
| 00:36.51 | asuffield | slow as fuck but it works |
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| 00:36.58 | jim | well if you try using packages that were not meant for debian sarge, that could cause problems, you're right there |
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| 00:37.23 | green_earz | bugiam2: bookmark the link "Debian Reference" very use full debian doc > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 00:37.30 | breedx | jim: was that to me? |
| 00:37.34 | resiak | asuffield: Yeah. Again, if I had a couple of months. TBH I'd prefer slow as fuck to the current situation, as long as it could be turned off. |
| 00:37.51 | jim | well, yes, but also to anyone... it's generally true |
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| 00:38.30 | asuffield | user___: xmms can do alsa. mplayer can be replaced with xine which can also do alsa. both of those can then do dmix |
| 00:38.30 | breedx | jim: sure...I'm on unstable, so I kinda expect a degree of breakage...but it's been "exciting" lately. :) |
| 00:38.43 | jonkri | i'm reading instructions for anaconda... what do they mean in "4." obtain a mirror of sarge... http://www.fatofthelan.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=62 |
| 00:38.46 | jim | oh, and the excitement has only begun :P |
| 00:38.56 | breedx | the debian specific stuff I'm fine with...but when it's more kernel related junk it gets frustrating. |
| 00:39.05 | breedx | jim: I know. :) can't wait. |
| 00:39.40 | jim | when people figure out what they want to do with etch, it will start smoothing out |
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| 00:39.57 | breedx | etch will be next stable release, right? |
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| 00:40.04 | jim | but after etch releases, it will go nuts again ;) |
| 00:40.11 | ma3x | why is it unable to boot from the new kernel image that i've installed? |
| 00:40.11 | bugiam2 | resiak: thanks, that worked better :) |
| 00:40.23 | bugiam2 | thanks green_earz |
| 00:40.28 | green_earz | np |
| 00:40.29 | user___ | asuffield you are sayign mplayer is not capable of alsa? |
| 00:40.41 | asuffield | I have no idea and frankly don't care |
| 00:40.44 | breedx | xmms does alsa for sure |
| 00:40.50 | jim | ma3x: what's its filename in /boot? |
| 00:40.51 | aurax | what is the fastest way to upgrade to a new kernel? apt-get install linux-image-.... is enough? |
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| 00:41.15 | jim | aurax: well, then you'd have to reboot |
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| 00:41.41 | user___ | asuffield iti s capable of alsa 0.5 and 0.9 |
| 00:41.48 | ma3x | jim, it's not there |
| 00:41.48 | aurax | ehe |
| 00:41.50 | ma3x | but why? |
| 00:41.56 | ma3x | i used dpkg -i image |
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| 00:42.01 | ma3x | so why didn't it copy it to boot? |
| 00:42.03 | aurax | so its just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 00:42.04 | ma3x | crazy |
| 00:42.06 | jim | not there? |
| 00:42.08 | Eonn_ | aurax - is there any way of using APT to upgrade to the newer 2.10 kernel? |
| 00:42.13 | ma3x | jim, nope , just the current kerne; |
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| 00:42.21 | ma3x | the image is in /usr/src/ |
| 00:42.22 | jim | then you didn't install a debian package of that |
| 00:42.23 | user___ | oh, btw, any idea when x.org will make it to sarge? |
| 00:42.24 | ma3x | from therei installed it |
| 00:42.26 | breedx | 2.10 huh? |
| 00:42.36 | aurax | hee? |
| 00:42.44 | Octane | hi all -- does running uupdate (in order to update a deb file) update the install rules in debian dir? |
| 00:42.47 | aurax | 2.6.8-11? |
| 00:42.49 | jim | ma3x: should be in /boot |
| 00:43.01 | ma3x | ah jim |
| 00:43.03 | ma3x | its there |
| 00:43.05 | ma3x | initrd.img-2.6.8 |
| 00:43.09 | ma3x | vmlinuz-2.6.8 |
| 00:43.12 | jim | yes |
| 00:43.16 | TTimo | user___: I don't think x.org will officially land in sarge, ever. in the next stable release, or in non official packages, yes |
| 00:43.18 | Eonn_ | sorry yeah add a 6.8 between that! |
| 00:43.21 | ma3x | so what now? |
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| 00:43.25 | jim | but is that the version you compiled? |
| 00:43.31 | aurax | Eonn for em64t? |
| 00:43.32 | jim | 2.6.8 |
| 00:43.33 | jim | ? |
| 00:43.39 | ma3x | jim yes i thinkso |
| 00:43.41 | resiak | !tell user___ -about xorg sarge |
| 00:43.50 | ma3x | i mean the current is with -386 at the end |
| 00:43.59 | ma3x | and the new one that ive compiled is without |
| 00:44.00 | jim | man update-grub |
| 00:44.08 | ma3x | ive already done update-grub |
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| 00:44.26 | jim | and does the menu.lst now reflect the new kernel? |
| 00:44.30 | breedx | well, I've wasted most of my day and made like zero progress....I guess I'm going to punt for now. |
| 00:44.31 | ma3x | the kernelimage file that ive isntalled is kernel-image-2.6.8_custom.1.0_i386.deb |
| 00:44.41 | breedx | thanks for the help everybody (jim) |
| 00:44.42 | multi_io | A |
| 00:44.45 | aurax | Eonn_ i can see 2.6.8-11 for amd64, yes.. |
| 00:44.55 | jim | breedx: hope it works out |
| 00:45.11 | Eonn_ | aurax - yeah thats the one |
| 00:45.15 | aurax | yep. |
| 00:45.17 | breedx | jim: thanks...I may end up trying 2.6.13-rcN |
| 00:45.27 | breedx | that and my email to the maintainer are my last resorts. |
| 00:45.27 | ma3x | jim it does reflect the new image, but there was another prolem |
| 00:45.34 | ma3x | like root couldn't be mounted |
| 00:45.39 | ma3x | like invalid block or something like that |
| 00:45.45 | jim | ohh, that is not a grub problem |
| 00:45.45 | ma3x | can't exactly remember the error |
| 00:45.50 | bugiam2 | what kind of option should i choose in xserver setup with a nvidia card? |
| 00:45.52 | ma3x | it might have been kernel panic or something liek that |
| 00:46.00 | jim | you're probably going to have to rebuild the package |
| 00:46.02 | ma3x | jim what kind of problem is it then? |
| 00:46.08 | ma3x | with what options? |
| 00:46.14 | jim | --initrd |
| 00:46.24 | ma3x | i already did that |
| 00:46.29 | jim | oh, you did? |
| 00:46.34 | ma3x | and it sent me out warning for crampfs |
| 00:46.38 | user___ | resiak thanks |
| 00:46.40 | ma3x | and somebody from here told me to ignore it |
| 00:46.44 | jim | what kind of warning? |
| 00:46.48 | ma3x | crampfs |
| 00:46.51 | ma3x | hold on i'll tell you |
| 00:46.56 | jim | sounds painful |
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| 00:47.01 | Octane | when updating a deb package using uupdate how does it take into consideration possible new files when updating the debian<package>.install files? |
| 00:47.28 | ma3x | jim its about The cramfs initrd patch |
| 00:47.34 | jim | ok |
| 00:47.40 | abrotman | ma3x: you need to learn how to sleep |
| 00:47.48 | resiak | ma3x: The warning is normal. You don't have to pay any attention. |
| 00:47.59 | ma3x | abrotman : would you care to teach me? |
| 00:48.10 | ma3x | resiak : it doesn't boot, do you understand? |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | ma3x: you're asking the wrong person .. trust me |
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| 00:48.28 | resiak | ma3x: It's nothing to do with cramfs. The debian kernel source has the patch. |
| 00:48.28 | ma3x | abrotman : you mean you're the wrong person? |
| 00:48.41 | ma3x | so what has to do the kernel panic with? |
| 00:48.46 | resiak | ma3x: Something else? |
| 00:48.55 | bugiam2 | resiak: what should i select as videocard option in the xwindows config? |
| 00:48.57 | ma3x | i can't exactly remember the error |
| 00:48.58 | jim | <Kaa> Trust in meeeee.... just in meeeee.... close your eyyyyes, and trust in meeee.... |
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| 00:49.04 | resiak | ma3x: Well write it down then |
| 00:49.07 | ma3x | i know that it has something to do with root and blocks |
| 00:49.08 | bugiam2 | resiak: i have a nvidia card |
| 00:49.11 | resiak | bugiam2: nv |
| 00:49.14 | ma3x | i need to reboot again |
| 00:49.17 | bugiam2 | ok, thanks |
| 00:49.40 | jim | ma3x: watch the boot process carefully |
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| 00:50.11 | jim | see if it will tell you what happened (and btw, this is not a grub issue... grub has booted fine) |
| 00:50.21 | green_earz | ma3x: did you compile the kernel your self and if so did your initrd and make oldconfig ?? |
| 00:50.30 | ma3x | booted fine, because i edited it |
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| 00:50.38 | ma3x | can't it update properly when i install a new image |
| 00:50.51 | jim | it did update |
| 00:50.53 | ma3x | like why does it put /dev/hda2 when such partition does not exist |
| 00:50.54 | jim | it is booting |
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| 00:51.02 | ma3x | jim it did not, i had to edit it manually |
| 00:51.15 | jim | so it's fully working now? |
| 00:51.30 | jim | what did you put for it? |
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| 00:51.49 | green_earz | bugiam2: for nvidia > http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 00:51.51 | ma3x | jim i replaced root (0,1) with root (0,1) |
| 00:51.57 | ma3x | and /dev/hda2 with /dev/hda2 |
| 00:52.01 | ma3x | but the old image boots |
| 00:52.06 | ma3x | and the new one won't bootup |
| 00:52.09 | ma3x | hold on |
| 00:52.18 | ma3x | in 15 mins i'll tell you the exact error |
| 00:52.23 | ma3x | need to recompile for every case again |
| 00:52.26 | ma3x | and get a shower |
| 00:52.32 | ma3x | i'll be back in 15 mins |
| 00:52.33 | jim | hmmm :) looks like you didn't change anything :) |
| 00:52.37 | ma3x | dont go away |
| 00:52.43 | jim | ma3x jim i replaced root (0,1) with root (0,1) |
| 00:52.51 | jim | ok, so what did that change? |
| 00:52.53 | ma3x | that's a typo of course |
| 00:53.01 | ma3x | with (0,0) |
| 00:53.03 | jim | ma3x and /dev/hda2 with /dev/hda2 |
| 00:53.06 | jim | ok, so what did that change? |
| 00:53.20 | jim | hda1? |
| 00:53.22 | ma3x | heh /dev/hda2 -> /dev/hda1 |
| 00:53.25 | ma3x | yes! |
| 00:53.29 | ma3x | another typo |
| 00:53.33 | ma3x | you see im tired |
| 00:53.38 | ma3x | debian is wasting my powers |
| 00:53.39 | jim | you should sleep |
| 00:53.48 | ma3x | not yet! |
| 00:53.52 | user___ | can somebody in here help me out with getting direct rendeding for ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY with 16mb , it detects like 8Mb for some reason. dri wokrs fine under windows. |
| 00:53.56 | ma3x | i wanna install it |
| 00:53.58 | bugiam2 | graphic core.. wtf. |
| 00:54.04 | jim | well... NOTE CAREFULLY that you can run anything you want :) |
| 00:54.11 | ma3x | and that abrotman is teaching people how to sleep? |
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| 00:54.33 | ma3x | when he has so great desire for the well sleep |
| 00:55.28 | fred | Hi, I cant reach security.debian.org with apt and when I do a traceroot, it loops beetwen 194.109.7.193 and 194.109.7.194... |
| 00:55.38 | jim | I'm saying (and so is abrotman) that if you keep doing complex stuff like this when you're tired, you might make a major mistake not caused by kernel panic or private podunk |
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| 00:56.01 | ma3x | fred: its working fine |
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| 00:57.15 | ma3x | jim, are you referring to murphy's law? |
| 00:57.51 | fred | ma3x: yes, not from everywhere, here some machines can reach it and mine cant, traceroute leave my network and my provider's one |
| 00:58.07 | jim | maybe infering/referring... because lack of sleep produces more conditions under which things can go wrong |
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| 00:58.37 | ma3x | jim, that's right! i volunteer on my risk |
| 00:58.45 | abrotman | lovely |
| 00:58.55 | ma3x | nice to hear that word! |
| 00:59.00 | ma3x | of course its lovely |
| 00:59.04 | ma3x | give me a kiss now :) |
| 00:59.25 | ma3x | if you're the princess of mars |
| 00:59.30 | ma3x | :s |
| 00:59.30 | jim | ok, no problem... but don't complain if your mouse falls on your cat |
| 00:59.59 | ma3x | abrotman is a good boy, he'll pick it up :) |
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| 01:00.43 | ma3x | shower time, standby! |
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| 01:00.56 | kim__ | can i get a little help installing a usb printer? |
| 01:01.13 | jim | this usb printer is new? |
| 01:01.30 | kim__ | no, but the linux install is |
| 01:01.34 | kim__ | debian |
| 01:01.40 | kim__ | testing |
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| 01:01.55 | abrotman | kim__: if you run lsusb. .. do you see the printer ? |
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| 01:02.13 | moparfan90_ | hello. does anyone here use FluxBox???? |
| 01:02.14 | kim__ | i am not familiar with that |
| 01:02.15 | abrotman | and you may need to run update-usbids |
| 01:02.26 | jim | ok, man lsusb |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | moparfan90_: don't take a poll .. just ask |
| 01:02.31 | kim__ | yes |
| 01:02.35 | p4sst00h | hi, who have PL lang for KDE 3.3.2 ? but no rpm files... ? |
| 01:02.36 | abrotman | yay .. |
| 01:02.43 | kim__ | i see the printer |
| 01:02.50 | moparfan90_ | well i want to talk to some one tha uses it |
| 01:02.53 | abrotman | what is your desktop ? |
| 01:03.04 | abrotman | moparfan90_: state your problem .. there are many fluxbox users |
| 01:03.05 | jim | !anyone |
| 01:03.05 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:03.11 | moparfan90_ | is debian better then ubuntu? |
| 01:03.12 | kim__ | gnome |
| 01:03.17 | green_earz | kim__: have a look at " section 3.6.2 CUPS" for the packages you will need > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-cups |
| 01:03.19 | kim__ | mopar yes |
| 01:03.25 | jim | moparfan90_: yes |
| 01:03.26 | abrotman | moparfan90_: you're in #debian .. what do you think we will say ? |
| 01:03.29 | jim | moparfan90_: no |
| 01:03.33 | jim | moparfan90_: maybe |
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| 01:03.50 | DoppelGanger | wtf does tht have to do with fluxbox moparfan90_ |
| 01:03.56 | moparfan90_ | well i have ubuntu. they say its better... whats debian have that ubuntu doest? |
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| 01:04.14 | DoppelGanger | moparfan90_: smarter users |
| 01:04.19 | abrotman | moparfan90_: then go to #ubuntu |
| 01:04.20 | ^arky^ | lol DoppelGanger |
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| 01:04.50 | moparfan90_ | what does debian have that ubuntu doent??? |
| 01:04.56 | DoppelGanger | moparfan90_: smarter users |
| 01:04.58 | jim | moparfan90_: you can always run anything you want... if we try to convince you to run debian, you'll think we have to support you or something... |
| 01:05.01 | Robert | Heh. |
| 01:05.04 | jim | and, NOT! |
| 01:05.14 | jim | so... |
| 01:05.18 | Robert | Some ocaml-nox in apt. |
| 01:05.19 | jim | run anything you want :) |
| 01:05.24 | DoppelGanger | sheesh always have to repeat myself |
| 01:05.25 | Robert | Which is blocking everything else. Fix? |
| 01:05.43 | Robert | er, +screwup up there. |
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| 01:06.46 | abrotman | moparfan90_: sarge has .. almost 16000 packages |
| 01:07.06 | satch_ | hi all - im having problems using debootstrap - it craps out because it cant download base-passwd - any workaround for this ? |
| 01:07.24 | jim | what's a way to download a sarge iso that is the least taxing on mirrors |
| 01:07.36 | maher | satch_: try a different mirror |
| 01:07.43 | abrotman | jim: BT |
| 01:07.50 | ^arky^ | or find a p2p source jim |
| 01:07.50 | Will_ | moparfan90_: ubuntu us more gnome specific and locked down. it might seem 'easier', but it is setup to run a certain, an ubuntu way. If you are new to linux then use it and stop trying to get 'teh bestest lunicks'. You are just wastimg time |
| 01:07.53 | satch_ | maher: done that - every mirror i try is the same thing |
| 01:08.04 | maher | satch_: are you trying to install unstable? |
| 01:08.29 | satch_ | i've tried all 3, sarge, sid and woody |
| 01:08.29 | jim | is BT less taxing than the use of jigdo? |
| 01:08.38 | abrotman | jim: BT taxes users .. not mirrors |
| 01:08.40 | maher | satch_: which version of debootstrap |
| 01:08.43 | moparfan90_ | ok thats nice. i dont care |
| 01:08.48 | satch_ | i'll check |
| 01:08.55 | Will_ | ubuntu people will also take more abuse, and more likely to answer questions like "Why is my sound broken?" |
| 01:08.58 | moparfan90_ | i may switch to debian and delete windows also |
| 01:08.59 | jim | moparts? |
| 01:09.12 | Will_ | Good luck. |
| 01:09.18 | Robert | The ocaml-nox pre-removal script fails.... How can I wipe it out? |
| 01:09.29 | jim | moparfan90_: do it if YOU want to. |
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| 01:09.43 | maher | Robert: fix the script so it works |
| 01:09.49 | Will_ | All the cool kids are using linux. you do want to be cool, don't you? |
| 01:09.54 | satch_ | maher: 0.2.45ubuntu27 |
| 01:09.54 | moparfan90_ | jim, what .... mopar.. is ..well can stuuf not moparts..lol |
| 01:10.00 | Chris`3500 | hey I know this will be really n00bish to like 99% of you guys .. but how do i extract a .zip from the command line in debian? |
| 01:10.06 | Blaze | "Cant't mount no such device.." ?? - dd_rescue -b 512 -B 256 if=/dev/cdrom0 of=/home/blaze/CD-retail-errors.iso |
| 01:10.12 | abrotman | Chris`3500: install unzip |
| 01:10.15 | satch_ | Kubuntu 5.04 is my host OS |
| 01:10.18 | Robert | No way. |
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| 01:10.19 | Chris`3500 | thankz :) |
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| 01:10.21 | maher | satch_: maybe ubuntu bootstrap is broken |
| 01:10.23 | abrotman | satch_: /j #kubuntu |
| 01:10.23 | moparfan90_ | bye |
| 01:10.29 | abrotman | oh wait .. nm |
| 01:10.37 | satch_ | :) |
| 01:10.39 | satch_ | ok |
| 01:10.41 | ^arky^ | ;) he is gone |
| 01:10.58 | Will_ | He wants the besterist lunicks. I can tell |
| 01:11.00 | Will_ | They always do |
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| 01:11.13 | abrotman | Will_: does your ISP suck ? |
| 01:11.25 | Blaze | need a little help with imaging a disk before using it with wine |
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| 01:11.40 | Blaze | any tips for protected disks? |
| 01:11.52 | jim | my linex is bester than yours! |
| 01:12.06 | Will_ | abrotman: A little. Did I do wrong? I've just finished an 11 hour shift at work, so I'm blowing off a little steam before sleep. Some channels I answer question in, some I just add uselessness to |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | Will_: the other day .. you bounced every 2 minutes for about 3 hours :) |
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| 01:13.05 | Will_ | abrotman: Jesus, that's not good. I'd be happy being kicked for that. Sorry if I pissed you off |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | Will_: i thought you were doing it intentionally .. |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:13.29 | abrotman | not intentionally .. but like .. rebooting system etc |
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| 01:14.09 | jim | reboot... oshit, gotta join #debian... fire up client, join channel... |
| 01:14.11 | jim | reboot... oshit, gotta join #debian... fire up client, join channel... |
| 01:14.11 | abrotman | Will_: you didn't get the "STOP BOUNCING" messages ? |
| 01:14.13 | jim | reboot... oshit, gotta join #debian... fire up client, join channel... |
| 01:14.13 | Will_ | Well... I do run this irssi on a shell, but it reboots once every few months, if that. It might be the ISP of the shell though |
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| 01:14.41 | Will_ | abrotman: I work 11 hour shifts, sometimes I am away from the keyboard |
| 01:14.43 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone watched war of the worlds? |
| 01:14.47 | abrotman | Will_: i figured |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: yes .. sucks .. bad |
| 01:15.08 | Dakishi | can any1 assitss me with the instalnet CD?? |
| 01:15.08 | Will_ | abrotman: thanks for the heads up. feel free to /msg me if I do something stupid. I always got theose |
| 01:15.13 | Will_ | TwistedEmotions: Me. |
| 01:15.13 | Dakishi | assist* |
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| 01:15.40 | jim | Dakishi: like wut? |
| 01:15.45 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: can I msg you? |
| 01:15.47 | Dakishi | eehh ok |
| 01:15.49 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: about what ? |
| 01:15.50 | Dakishi | i downlaoded it |
| 01:15.51 | compumike | apt-get update yields GPG error... NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED |
| 01:16.00 | abrotman | !tell compumike about apt-secure |
| 01:16.04 | Dakishi | and tryed to install |
| 01:16.10 | compumike | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:16.11 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: the movie.. I just dont want to screw it up for anyone else.. |
| 01:16.12 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:16.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:16.14 | shingouz | Dakishi: what is installnet CD? |
| 01:16.16 | Dakishi | but it says it doesnt detect my LAN conection |
| 01:16.18 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: i suppose |
| 01:16.25 | Will_ | I was sorely tempted to message abrotman man asking if I could message him |
| 01:16.31 | Dakishi | eehh it is a little CD image |
| 01:16.31 | shingouz | bah. sleepmode for me |
| 01:16.35 | Dakishi | that you download |
| 01:16.46 | Dakishi | it come with a baasic system |
| 01:16.48 | abrotman | Will_: huh ? |
| 01:16.49 | jim | Dakishi: netinst? |
| 01:16.49 | Dakishi | and downlaods the rest |
| 01:16.51 | Will_ | Then I realised I might be guilty of wasting bandwidth, time and cpu time |
| 01:16.53 | ^arky^ | Is it a good idea to sign your bug reports to Debian BTS with your GPG key ? |
| 01:16.54 | Dakishi | yeah that XD |
| 01:17.03 | Will_ | abrotman: Apologies. Like I said. Bored, sleepy and spamming slightly, for fun |
| 01:17.03 | Dakishi | i have installed it |
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| 01:17.05 | jim | Dakishi: ok, don't configure the net... |
| 01:17.10 | Dakishi | but it doesnt detect a connection |
| 01:17.17 | jim | just install the rest |
| 01:17.23 | abrotman | Will_: okeedokee |
| 01:17.25 | Dakishi | eh but it needs |
| 01:17.25 | jim | (which is the base) |
| 01:17.33 | Dakishi | to conect to insternet |
| 01:17.37 | Dakishi | to downlaod rest |
| 01:17.37 | jim | yes yes, do that part later :) |
| 01:17.43 | Dakishi | wich conection it doesnt detect |
| 01:17.45 | jim | it has the base on it |
| 01:17.47 | Dakishi | (o_o) |
| 01:17.51 | Dakishi | oh i see |
| 01:17.58 | Dakishi | so how do i pass it?? |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:18.11 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 01:18.25 | jim | try leaving it blank or something... restart the computer, go again |
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| 01:18.43 | Dakishi | oh so it brings a basic |
| 01:18.47 | Dakishi | OS?? |
| 01:19.02 | jim | yes, -just- enough to solve basic problems and install packages |
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| 01:19.18 | Dakishi | thx a lot JIm |
| 01:19.23 | jim | then we try to figure why it won't configure net |
| 01:19.26 | jim | but... |
| 01:19.33 | meff | anyone know why libapache2-mod-perl is in stable/unstable but not in testing? |
| 01:19.35 | jim | might as well deal with that a little now |
| 01:19.41 | meff | err libapache2-mod-security |
| 01:19.41 | Dakishi | and |
| 01:19.45 | jim | why won't it configure the net? |
| 01:19.54 | Dakishi | (o_O) |
| 01:19.54 | Dakishi | lol |
| 01:19.59 | Dakishi | dont ask me =P |
| 01:20.01 | jim | I like asking why |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | STOP HITTING ENTER |
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| 01:20.10 | jim | it makes people wake up and start thinking |
| 01:20.29 | Dakishi | maybe it is cause |
| 01:20.33 | SargeBaldy | hello, i'm trying to get my wlan to work.. |
| 01:20.35 | Dakishi | the DNS configuration |
| 01:20.35 | Dakishi | =P |
| 01:20.37 | shingouz | Dakishi: please |
| 01:20.38 | maher | meff: try http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
| 01:20.39 | shingouz | do not |
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| 01:20.40 | shingouz | hit |
| 01:20.41 | shingouz | enter |
| 01:20.44 | shingouz | so often |
| 01:20.52 | Dakishi | oh, sorry =P my bad |
| 01:20.54 | jim | b |
| 01:20.55 | jim | ad |
| 01:21.03 | shingouz | thanks. /me & |
| 01:21.13 | Dakishi | eeeehh ok, but like how long does the download is going to take |
| 01:21.20 | Dakishi | with a 56k modem conection =P |
| 01:21.24 | SargeBaldy | ndiswrapper says the driver i fed it is good and it detects the hardware but iwconfig tells me nothing |
| 01:21.27 | Dakishi | if the pass by to system doesnt work |
| 01:21.34 | jim | hmm, that will take quite awhile |
| 01:21.41 | shingouz | 56k modem? forever |
| 01:21.45 | Dakishi | lol |
| 01:21.49 | ^arky^ | lol shingouz |
| 01:21.53 | jim | you'll want to get out and push |
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| 01:21.53 | Dakishi | and in a 384 ADSL?? |
| 01:22.01 | jim | shorter |
| 01:22.10 | shingouz | Dakishi: with taht one it is already somewhet decent |
| 01:22.33 | Dakishi | jejej thx a lot guys =D, and sorry for the enter XD |
| 01:22.39 | shingouz | :) |
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| 01:22.56 | jim | then you'll have the base installed at least |
| 01:23.01 | jim | and we can go from there |
| 01:23.21 | Dakishi | woho, nice is it recomended to stay with windows or can i delete it?? |
| 01:23.25 | jim | this is the same machine you're typing on now? or a different machine? |
| 01:23.31 | Dakishi | cause i really dont like windows it is so simple =P |
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| 01:23.41 | jim | do what you want with that |
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| 01:23.42 | shingouz | Dakishi: windows? what is windows? :p |
| 01:23.43 | Dakishi | windows makes ppl kind of wierd =P |
| 01:23.57 | Dakishi | lol Shingouz |
| 01:24.02 | jim | linux makes people seem very weird :) |
| 01:24.21 | Dakishi | lol no linux makes ppl smart |
| 01:24.29 | shingouz | jim: no. linux makes you think the doze users are weird |
| 01:24.29 | Dakishi | cause you se what you are doing |
| 01:24.31 | jim | that's weird :) |
| 01:24.35 | kl1 | hi guys, any one knows how can i login whith a ftp client from windows to a debian server? |
| 01:24.38 | ^arky^ | anyone using E17 fellows |
| 01:24.51 | jim | what's a E17 fellow? |
| 01:25.00 | Dakishi | a guy with windows says he knows computer cause he install windows = |
| 01:25.13 | ^arky^ | jim I meantE17 |
| 01:25.31 | shingouz | kl1: huh? user: ftp pass: youremail |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | ^arky^: we have .. like two here ... |
| 01:25.37 | abrotman | !e17 |
| 01:25.37 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 01:25.41 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 01:25.44 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 01:25.58 | jim | a guy with linux says he knows computer because he keeps a 500-machine server platform up for years at a time... no reboots... |
| 01:26.06 | ^arky^ | who are other two abrotman |
| 01:26.09 | kl1 | shingouz the server most have ftp installed? |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | ^arky^: i know Gnea uses it ..and he's not here now |
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| 01:26.34 | shingouz | kl1: i think you Yoda must be? in other words, pardon? |
| 01:26.47 | jonkri | what would you guess that anaconda branding files means? i don't know what the word "branding" means |
| 01:26.52 | ^arky^ | oh thanks abrotman |
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| 01:26.58 | das_netz | hi |
| 01:27.13 | shingouz | kl1: you looking for a place to get the install cd? |
| 01:27.22 | kl1 | yes |
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| 01:27.33 | shingouz | !tell kl1 about d-i |
| 01:27.38 | jim | you yoda equiv? |
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| 01:28.09 | kl1 | shingouz i want to install a ftp sever |
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| 01:28.19 | Lanz | Hey guys I have a small problem, how can I get my sid box to pay 2 sounds at once? I can't play a game and go on TeamSpeak simultaniously or one wont have sound. |
| 01:28.42 | jim | dunno what branding is, but blanding is where you take salt out of soup, or a street near a bridge |
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| 01:28.47 | shingouz | <sigh> i must go before i implode. laters, y'all |
| 01:28.59 | ma3x | here is the exact error that i get upon boot of the new kernel: "kernel panic VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) |
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| 01:29.04 | ma3x | need a genius for this matter |
| 01:29.05 | das_netz | are anybody have trouble with QT4... with QSql module |
| 01:29.31 | jim | I like postgres and psql |
| 01:29.33 | lars^ | How to use hostap driver ? i dont want to use wlanng.... I did install the hostap module for my kernel.. What should i do else? |
| 01:29.38 | abrotman | !beer jim |
| 01:29.54 | jim | and aolserver and the nspostgres driver for it :) |
| 01:30.01 | ma3x | jimbo im back! |
| 01:30.04 | das_netz | are anybody have trouble with QT4... with QSql module? |
| 01:30.08 | abrotman | das_netz: might want to ask a channel about Qt |
| 01:30.10 | ma3x | who dares t o |
| 01:30.14 | ma3x | help me? |
| 01:30.23 | abrotman | so close to .. plonk |
| 01:30.41 | das_netz | abrotman, the trouble its only debian |
| 01:30.55 | abrotman | qt4 is in debian? |
| 01:31.07 | das_netz | abrotman, yes |
| 01:31.11 | das_netz | abrotman, unstable |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | you might wish to ask #debian-kde |
| 01:31.35 | kadigibox | If you have an all in one printer scanner copier machine is there a wireless or wired (perferbly wireless) Printserver that you can run sane from as well? |
| 01:31.36 | abrotman | they might also kill you :) |
| 01:31.41 | jim | my next coffee will be in about 18 hours :) |
| 01:31.52 | das_netz | abrotman, thanks |
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| 01:32.04 | das_netz | abrotman, kde-devel |
| 01:32.04 | Lanz | ...can't get 2 sounds to play at once. |
| 01:32.06 | Lanz | Any help? |
| 01:32.07 | abrotman | das_netz: i honestly don't know where else to send you other than BTS |
| 01:32.09 | ^arky^ | jim, who so ... do you live in prison or what |
| 01:32.25 | abrotman | the states .. close enough |
| 01:32.30 | jim | ^arky^: I don't like drinking coffee all the time |
| 01:32.41 | abrotman | jim: wait .. you're in the states .. right ? |
| 01:32.49 | jim | I'm in the states |
| 01:32.49 | ^arky^ | hoover, geeks are supposed to be caffine adicits right |
| 01:32.50 | jim | right |
| 01:33.00 | abrotman | i'm not |
| 01:33.01 | jim | all of them at once too! |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | i drink maybe 2 sodas a day .. and no coffee .. and no soda at night usually |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | now beer .. i love beer :) |
| 01:33.31 | abrotman | but don't keep any at home |
| 01:33.32 | cmorgan | is there something holding up new packages in unstable? kmail has been broken for many days now |
| 01:33.35 | ^arky^ | lol abrotman I guess so |
| 01:33.48 | Lanz | Hey guys I have a small problem, how can I get my sid box to pay 2 sounds at once? I can't play a game and go on TeamSpeak simultaniously or one wont have sound. |
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| 01:34.00 | abrotman | you need a sound daemon |
| 01:34.11 | jim | cmorgan: holding up? unstable?? of course not... it's just dds being dds! |
| 01:34.20 | cmorgan | dds? |
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| 01:34.31 | jim | debian developers |
| 01:34.37 | cmorgan | ahh |
| 01:34.40 | jim | btw, if you run unstable KNOW THIS: |
| 01:34.41 | abrotman | DDs .. not dds |
| 01:34.48 | abrotman | it will break :) |
| 01:34.49 | cmorgan | jim: unstable is unstable? ;-) |
| 01:34.53 | jim | unstable is -allowed- to be unstable |
| 01:34.57 | abrotman | !break |
| 01:34.57 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 01:34.59 | ma3x | jim can you help me now plz? |
| 01:35.03 | cmorgan | jim: this is the first time its been actually unstable for me in years |
| 01:35.12 | jim | nope, haven't had my coffee yet... |
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| 01:35.24 | Chris`3500 | what do i do with .so files? when they come by themselv.es because i have a half-life2 mod dedicated server.. and it has came as a .so.. any reccomendations? |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | cmorgan: big things happening .. xorg and gcc4 at the same time |
| 01:35.38 | jim | cmorgan: you just haven't noticed... :) |
| 01:36.02 | jim | and gcc4 represents new binary interface |
| 01:36.09 | cmorgan | yep |
| 01:36.12 | ma3x | jimmy |
| 01:36.19 | jim | that's big big big |
| 01:36.25 | cmorgan | well, gmail can hold many thousands more emails |
| 01:36.27 | ^arky^ | I just moved over to xorg last nite, it was painless |
| 01:36.28 | cmorgan | so i can wait :-) |
| 01:36.36 | abrotman | ^arky^: not so for all |
| 01:36.51 | ma3x | "kernel panic VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) |
| 01:37.00 | ^arky^ | hoover, I feel sorry for them abrotman |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | ma3x: go to bed ffs .. you've fucked up your kernel |
| 01:37.03 | ma3x | how should i correct that? |
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| 01:37.08 | abrotman | ^arky^: why? |
| 01:37.13 | ma3x | abrotman how did i do that? |
| 01:37.18 | jim | boot earlier kernel :) |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | ma3x: not my kernel .. don't know |
| 01:37.29 | pinko | any nice, friedly apps exist to resize reiser partitions? |
| 01:37.33 | ^arky^ | for those who having trouble with moving over xorg abec0 |
| 01:37.45 | jim | there, I helped you before I got my coffee |
| 01:37.50 | jim | 18 hours before :) |
| 01:37.55 | abrotman | ^arky^: why do you keep talking to hoover? |
| 01:38.09 | ^arky^ | sorry, typos abrotman |
| 01:38.10 | Lanz | Abrotman: I have artsd runnin. |
| 01:38.29 | lars^ | How to use hostap driver ? i dont want to use wlanng.... I did install the hostap module for my kernel.. What should i do else? |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | Lanz: i don't use kde .. artsd is outside my knowledge .. thank god :) |
| 01:38.38 | Lanz | Heh. |
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| 01:38.50 | Lanz | Well how do you do it with esd? that may be relevant. |
| 01:39.02 | ma3x | abrotman: i followed all the steps from dpkg and the .gz'ipped manual |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | Lanz: you could ask #debian-kde .. they would hopefully use artsd .. i do use alsa though |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | ^arky^: erm .. ok |
| 01:40.04 | Lanz | Hmm ok. |
| 01:40.16 | Lanz | What do I need to ask them? what I asked here? I'm noob to this. |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | Lanz: tell them you're trying to play two sounds at once and you think you have artsd running correctly .. could they help you |
| 01:40.48 | Lanz | Thanks man. |
| 01:40.59 | Chris`3500 | what do i do with .so files? when they come by themselv.es because i have a half-life2 mod dedicated server.. and it has came as a .so.. .. can anyone help please? |
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| 01:41.18 | abrotman | jim: think he went to bed ? |
| 01:41.35 | abrotman | Chris`3500: there's no manual with the mod ? |
| 01:41.41 | Chris`3500 | no :( |
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| 01:41.47 | Chris`3500 | just a zip with a .so in it |
| 01:41.52 | jonkri | what do you think path-to-sarge-mirror means in this document? thanks a lot in advance: http://www.fatofthelan.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=62 |
| 01:41.54 | Anders | abrotman, do you have hlds? |
| 01:41.54 | Chris`3500 | "server_i486.so" |
| 01:41.55 | abrotman | Chris`3500: you can try /usr/lib/ .. but i have no idea if that's a good idea |
| 01:42.02 | abrotman | Anders: say again |
| 01:42.15 | Anders | abrotman, say again what? |
| 01:42.20 | abrotman | Anders: hlds ? |
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| 01:42.27 | Anders | abrotman, hlds == half life dedicated server |
| 01:42.41 | abrotman | Anders: i play ps2 .. and not many games otherwise .. enigma is a lot of fun .. |
| 01:42.42 | ^arky^ | abrotman, that's not a good idea to copy them to /usr/lib .. |
| 01:42.52 | abrotman | ^arky^: i don't run HL servers .. i have no idea |
| 01:42.57 | abrotman | if you've a better idea .. help him out |
| 01:43.22 | abrotman | jonkri: don't use that |
| 01:43.25 | ^arky^ | abrotman, I don't have any better idea |
| 01:43.48 | Anders | Chris`3500, get http://www.steampowered.com/download/hldsupdatetool.bin |
| 01:43.48 | david__ | can't you just use steam? (i really haved no idea) |
| 01:43.54 | abrotman | i'm not jumpy .. i just don't know a better place |
| 01:44.01 | Anders | Chris`3500, then chmod +x hldsupdatetool.bin, and ./hldsupdatetool.bin |
| 01:44.04 | Anders | Chris`3500, follow the instructions |
| 01:44.12 | abrotman | ^arky^: it was an idea .. he didnt' pay enough for a solution :) |
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| 01:44.21 | ^arky^ | abrotman, lol |
| 01:44.41 | ^arky^ | abrotman, that's a good response |
| 01:44.50 | jonkri | abrotman, what? why? |
| 01:45.01 | Chris`3500 | yeh cool anders.. but i wonna GMOD server.. garry's mod for half-life2.. i have downloaded a .so for it .. |
| 01:45.05 | abrotman | jonkri: that post is over a year old .. and i'm not sure it's even valid anymore |
| 01:45.24 | jonkri | abrotman, i know... but i can't find anything newer and i would really try to do this |
| 01:45.38 | abrotman | jonkri: you want to use anaconda ? |
| 01:45.41 | jonkri | yes |
| 01:46.05 | jonkri | it's for a debian-based distribution i'm putting together with a couple of friends |
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| 01:46.19 | abrotman | jonkri: but why not base it off the current sarge installer ? |
| 01:46.19 | ricochet | anyone know if sshfs usually works? I'm getting a .." try `modprobe fuse` first" error. |
| 01:46.23 | abrotman | !sfs |
| 01:46.24 | dpkg | well, sfs is secure file system at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Filesystems-HOWTO.html#ss9.24 Self-certifying File System, sorta like AFS and CODA, at http://www.fs.net |
| 01:46.26 | lars^ | How to use hostap driver ? i dont want to use wlanng.... I did install the hostap module for my kernel.. What should i do else? |
| 01:46.27 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 01:46.27 | dpkg | hmm... shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 01:46.45 | maher | ricochet: use m-a to build the fuse module |
| 01:46.49 | Anders | Chris`3500, install Steam via hldsupdatetool, then put server_i486.so in the steam folder |
| 01:46.56 | Anders | Chris`3500, hldsupdatetool is a steam installer for linux |
| 01:47.06 | jonkri | abrotman, we could do that of course but it's for people like my dad and he would very much want a gtk-like graphical installation |
| 01:47.07 | Anders | Chris`3500, although it was a very long time ago i used hlds - so i'm not 100% sure |
| 01:47.10 | abrotman | jonkri: which step are you talking about ? |
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| 01:47.16 | jonkri | step 1 |
| 01:47.17 | Anders | Chris`3500, you should google for "hlds linux tutorial" or so |
| 01:47.19 | Chris`3500 | ok cool i will try it now thanks |
| 01:47.19 | jonkri | step 10 even |
| 01:47.21 | abrotman | jonkri: you could help with the gtk installer already started :) |
| 01:47.26 | maher | jonkri: somehow i think your dad wil cope with ncurses... |
| 01:47.37 | abrotman | jonkri: step #1 ? |
| 01:47.45 | abrotman | 1. Check out Anaconda from the Progeny Subversion repository: ? |
| 01:48.01 | abrotman | ah |
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| 01:48.04 | ricochet | maher: m-a sounds vaguely familiar... |
| 01:48.08 | jonkri | maher, it's not about what he and people like him will cope with, it's about what they would prefer |
| 01:48.10 | kadigibox | If you have an all in one printer scanner copier machine is there a wireless or wired (perferbly wireless) Printserver that you can run sane from as well? |
| 01:48.12 | xoz | lars^: /usr/share/doc/hostapd |
| 01:48.13 | maher | ricochet: module-assistant |
| 01:48.20 | jonkri | abrotman, i had no idea there was such projects, i will most definatly look in to that |
| 01:48.23 | jonkri | abrotman, no step 10 |
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| 01:48.29 | user___ | would you guys happen to have any links on howto progalm lkms for 2.6.x? |
| 01:48.55 | abrotman | jonkri: ah .. gotcha .. you'd pick like .. http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 01:49.12 | abrotman | jonkri: and substitute "us" for your country code |
| 01:49.18 | jonkri | abrotman, thanks! :) |
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| 01:49.34 | abrotman | jonkri: honestly .. i'll be surprised if that works .. |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | jonkri: if you give me a moment .. i'll find another project for you |
| 01:50.03 | jonkri | abrotman, i would be suprised too ;-) that's very kind of you, thanks |
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| 01:51.41 | maher | kadigibox: you mean like saned |
| 01:51.42 | lars^ | xoz: hostapd is not the driver its some sort of an a ap |
| 01:53.05 | kadigibox | well however way I can scan if I have the all in one system on a wireless print server. looking for one that I can be able to do that with |
| 01:53.09 | kadigibox | if there is one |
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| 01:53.59 | xoz | lars^: it is also an authenticator for WEP, WPA, etc... |
| 01:54.32 | lars^ | xoz: thats not was i need i just need to get my card to using hostap driver instead of wlanng... |
| 01:55.04 | maher | kadigibox: you need a wireless print server that will also talk to the scanner |
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| 01:55.23 | kadigibox | maher you know of any? |
| 01:55.28 | xoz | lars^: /usr/share/doc/hostapd/examples/hostapd.wpa_psk ... you'll need this if you connect your card to an AP |
| 01:55.38 | maher | kadigibox: no - this is kind of offtopic |
| 01:55.38 | ricochet | maher, thanks. now it acts like it mounts.. buut ls: . No such file or directory |
| 01:55.44 | xoz | lars^: hostapd drives your hostap driver. |
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| 01:56.02 | lars^ | xoz: listen to me! i need to turn the card into using hostap first! i dont need a lesson on connecting to my AP using WPA |
| 01:56.03 | xoz | lars^: google for hostap website for the explanation. |
| 01:56.03 | kadigibox | not realy cause I am looking for something compatible with debian |
| 01:56.10 | maher | ricochet: what mount command |
| 01:56.10 | ma3x | !kp |
| 01:56.10 | dpkg | hmm... kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 01:56.36 | ricochet | maher: sshfs user@host:~/ /mnt/foo |
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| 01:56.48 | maher | ricochet: does it show up in mount |
| 01:57.03 | xoz | lars^: modprobe hostap. remove wlang driver. use module-assistant. it is very easy using module-assistant. im telling you the difficult part! |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | liable: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD .. that page??? |
| 01:57.32 | xoz | lars^: what you are asking is sooo trivial if you READ the FUCKING manual |
| 01:57.47 | jonkri | abrotman, any luck? :-) |
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| 01:57.55 | ricochet | maher, yep... |
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| 01:58.34 | abrotman | jonkri: i'm looking |
| 01:58.34 | maher | ricochet: but there's no files? are there files in the remote dir? |
| 01:58.49 | jonkri | abrotman, ok :-) |
| 01:58.56 | ricochet | maher, remote dir has files, yes |
| 01:59.13 | maher | ricochet: cp something into /mnt/foo and see what happens |
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| 02:00.23 | liable | abrotman: haha, how did you know I just woke up? :) |
| 02:00.38 | lars^ | xoz: hmm i cant find anyway to remove wlanng using module-assint only how to install things, hm? |
| 02:00.39 | ricochet | maher: cp: cannot create regular file `bla` no such file or dir |
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| 02:01.10 | abrotman | liable: i didn't .. i just found that page :) |
| 02:01.13 | maher | ricochet: are you in #flood? |
| 02:01.30 | liable | abrotman: heh. |
| 02:01.30 | xoz | lars^: ask somebody else. you don't even have to remove it. you just stop it from running. |
| 02:01.52 | abrotman | liable: not it ? |
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| 02:02.33 | ricochet | maher, no |
| 02:02.41 | lars^ | xoz: would you bee so kind and tell me how :)? |
| 02:02.42 | xoz | lars^: modrprobe -r <module> will remove it... and remove it if you have it in /etc/modules ... then install hostap ... and place its name in /etc/modules so that it will be autmatically loaded during boot. |
| 02:02.50 | ricochet | maher: yes |
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| 02:03.09 | xoz | lars^: got to go. good luck |
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| 02:05.49 | lars^ | xoz thanks for the help :) |
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| 02:07.29 | liable | abrotman: hmm, dont think so, will try and find it today, once i've woken up a bit. |
| 02:07.42 | abrotman | !tell liable about custom netinst |
| 02:08.04 | liable | abrotman: but i was just there! |
| 02:08.22 | abrotman | jonkri: ok .. i can't find it to save my life right now .. but .. people are working on a GTK frontend to the debian installer |
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| 02:08.52 | jonkri | abrotman, oh i thought you were looking for some anaconda stuff |
| 02:08.57 | jonkri | i found that project! |
| 02:09.06 | abrotman | jonkri: which project ? |
| 02:09.15 | jonkri | but it wasn't easy... http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerGUI |
| 02:09.29 | jonkri | if that's what you meant |
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| 02:09.41 | SerajewelKS | does madman support BeepMP? |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | jonkri: yeah .. but no URL link |
| 02:10.23 | abrotman | jonkri: i found that too |
| 02:10.44 | jonkri | abrotman, ah, i see. i'm not that impressed by the screenshots... anaconda is much nicer |
| 02:10.47 | abrotman | jonkri: i asked #debian-boot .. but no response yet |
| 02:11.05 | abrotman | jonkri: anaconda isn't the interface . anaconda is the hardware detector IIRC |
| 02:11.21 | liable | abrotman: its the alioth one :) |
| 02:11.22 | abrotman | !anaconda |
| 02:11.23 | dpkg | i guess anaconda is redhat's new installations system, it's GPLed and may come to other distros hopefully it has gtk+ and text based interface, or being ported to Debian by progeny |
| 02:11.27 | abrotman | liable: ah ok |
| 02:11.45 | abrotman | jonkri: guess i'm wrong .. i think that's kudzu now tha ti think of it |
| 02:11.47 | abrotman | !kudzu |
| 02:11.47 | dpkg | kudzu is probably redhat's hardware autodetection and configuration program, which runs each boot to check for and configure any changed hardware on the system. a dip shit, or another word for 'dirty kludge', and a noxious vine which smothers everything it touches. You have been warned. |
| 02:11.55 | ozzloy | is there a way to set it so that my laptop connects to an ap and acts as an access point for someone else? |
| 02:12.19 | jonkri | hehe |
| 02:13.31 | nkuttler | ozzloy: i think you need two wireless NICs to do that |
| 02:13.38 | ozzloy | sorta like a repeater... |
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| 02:14.24 | ozzloy | nkuttler i wanna do it with 1 card. what's the reason for needing 2 cards? can 1 card only handle one connection at a time? |
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| 02:15.17 | dondelelcaro | ozzloy: most cards can only either in managed or ap mode; they can't do both at the same time. |
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| 02:16.58 | elmagozizou | Hi can anyone tell me where to get documentation about networking in GNU/linux |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | what kind of networking docs? |
| 02:17.19 | abrotman | how to set up a NIC? or what? |
| 02:17.44 | elmagozizou | easy doc...beginer |
| 02:17.47 | nvz | I just now realized why this cd sounds out of place. this girl really doesnt know what she's talking about.. she's 13. some 40 year old bald man probably wrote these songs </ot> 8P |
| 02:17.54 | abrotman | elmagozizou: yes .. but to do what exactly ? |
| 02:18.02 | abrotman | nvz: what girl ? |
| 02:18.19 | abrotman | nvz: and if you say Lelia B<something> .. i smack you |
| 02:18.36 | elmagozizou | abrotman, conect to a windows computer in the same network and also another linux computer |
| 02:18.46 | maher | nvz: britnry is wise for her years... |
| 02:18.47 | nvz | abrotman: she goes be Jojo on her "self-titled" album Jojo. Sings about things she obviously knows little about |
| 02:18.51 | abrotman | elmagozizou: guess you want samba |
| 02:18.55 | ozzloy | dondelelcaro, i c in the man page for iwconfig that there is a "repeater" mode. it's description sounds like what i'm looking for, does anyone know of a card that supports that mode? |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | !tell elmagozizou about samba |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | nvz: i know who she is ... |
| 02:19.10 | abrotman | nvz: check out this girl |
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| 02:19.32 | abrotman | nvz: http://www.leliasmusic.com/media.asp |
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| 02:20.03 | dondelelcaro | ozzloy: I'm not aware of one, but you can try your card to see if it does |
| 02:20.03 | elmagozizou | I already have samba...but now I know where docummnetation is.. tnhks |
| 02:20.09 | Octane | i could really use some help updating a package from a new upstream... i run uupdate and then dpkg-buildpackage... but then get some errors about missing files (because it reads the files from the old source's debian dir) |
| 02:20.14 | abrotman | elmagozizou: samba.org has the most docs |
| 02:20.15 | nvz | abrotman: I'm jelous she's holding an acoustic guitar.. |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | nvz: i have two |
| 02:20.57 | ozzloy | dondelelcaro, nope. thanx anywho though. i was thinking maybe there was some voodoo that made any card work in that mode, but it sounds like 1 mode at a time for most cards |
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| 02:21.27 | Octane | I have consulted the deb docs for maintainers but that doesnt really invlude info on the debian/<package>.install files |
| 02:21.35 | nvz | abrotman: I got a Takamine G-Series Acoustic Electric I left in texas and havent had the time/money to get it sent back yet |
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| 02:21.57 | abrotman | nvz: i have a 30+ year old classical .. and a washburn .. i'm trying to find a 12string Martin that i like |
| 02:22.03 | nvz | abrotman: I regret even leaving it there.. I should have either taken it with me or sold it before I left and taken the cash |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | Octane: /msg dpkg nm |
| 02:22.10 | abrotman | Octane: /msg dpkg mg |
| 02:22.48 | Octane | abrotman: thats the maintener's guide which doesnt include much info on multiple packages |
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| 02:22.56 | dondelelcaro | Octane: man dh_install; |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | Octane: ask #debian-mentor |
| 02:23.11 | abrotman | nvz: did you listen to a sound clip of that girl ? |
| 02:23.23 | dondelelcaro | Octane: that's what reads the install files and uses them to move files from debian/tmp (or wherever) to debian/$(PACKAGENAME) |
| 02:23.45 | Octane | dondelelcaro: okay thank you |
| 02:24.18 | nvz | abrotman: nope my sound card was in use playing "Same Ol G" by Ginuwine cause I was sining it comming back from the Bar with my 40oz.. and I couldnt remember the words cause I havent listened to that cd in ages. I sang 40oz to freedom by sublime on the way _to_ the bar 8P |
| 02:24.28 | abrotman | nvz: do it! |
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| 02:24.45 | kl1 | hi |
| 02:24.46 | abrotman | nvz: you're so red ... |
| 02:24.50 | Octane | abrotman: doesnt dh_install get run from within dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 02:24.52 | nvz | abrotman: red? |
| 02:24.56 | abrotman | nvz: neck |
| 02:24.59 | nvz | heh |
| 02:25.03 | abrotman | Octane: no idea .. |
| 02:25.07 | kl1 | any one knows if i can install xpde by apt-get install? |
| 02:25.09 | dondelelcaro | Octane: no, it gets run by the debian/rules file. |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | kl1: check apt-get.org for a source .. last i knew .. not packaged for debian |
| 02:25.42 | dondelelcaro | Octane: dpkg-buildpackage is just a wrapper around various calls to the debian/rules file and dpkg-*. |
| 02:25.43 | kl1 | oh ok |
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| 02:27.07 | Octane | sorry about that abrotman that was meant for dondelelcaro \ |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | i figured |
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| 02:28.36 | dondelelcaro | Octane: hint: run fakeroot debian/rules binary; and you'll be enlightened. |
| 02:28.44 | SerajewelKS | is linux falling apart, or is it just me? |
| 02:29.07 | Octane | finally no errors when running "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" i had to remove all the *.install files from debian dir |
| 02:29.19 | maher | SerajewelKS: things fall apart, the center cannot hold, mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... |
| 02:29.37 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: taking a pudding form really .. not so much falling apart |
| 02:29.50 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: if it is, what does it matter? You've got everything you need to build upon it. |
| 02:29.58 | SerajewelKS | close enough... |
| 02:30.51 | SerajewelKS | i feel like each day my linux desktop is getting more unstable |
| 02:30.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: stop running sid |
| 02:31.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, i'm running etch |
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| 02:31.22 | maher | SerajewelKS: run stable |
| 02:31.22 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: then run stable .. |
| 02:31.22 | SerajewelKS | no support for equalizer for Ogg Vorbis files in XMMS, but BeepMP sucks and isn't supported by MadMan. the kernel or something in that reigion is causing my system clock to drift by a random amount... |
| 02:31.22 | abrotman | it was your decision to run etch ... |
| 02:31.22 | david__ | how do i open a .bin file? |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | for what ? |
| 02:31.55 | SerajewelKS | it's not etch... it's XMMS. it's the kernel. it's every free piece of software out there that is slightly broken. maybe i'm just noticing now that open-source means "it will work when we get around to it.. maybe" |
| 02:32.06 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: then you fix it ... |
| 02:32.12 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: the EQ has never worked for ogg vorbis in xmms. |
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| 02:32.27 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i know that. the bug was reported years ago. |
| 02:32.28 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: this is because of a fundamental difference between the way vorbis and mpeg compression works. |
| 02:32.40 | nvz | abrotman: sounds like Joss Stone in a way. so far I don't know what else to say about it. except that she lacks soul and southern sound that the album title implies. The guitar sounds nice, but I love the sound of an acoustic doesnt much matter to me whats being played |
| 02:32.54 | abrotman | nvz: she's .. 16 :) |
| 02:32.59 | maher | nvz: do you like nina nastasia? |
| 02:33.05 | SerajewelKS | i hear there is a patch for the vorbis input plugin that enables the equalizer |
| 02:33.11 | nvz | maher: never heard of her |
| 02:33.11 | SerajewelKS | but it's not released... and why? |
| 02:33.26 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: so find it and apply it; If it hasn't been released, it doesn't exist. |
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| 02:33.37 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: you'll find that every piece of software everwhere has bugs. If you care about them, fix them. |
| 02:33.58 | SerajewelKS | how exactly do you go about fixing an elusive clock drift bug in the kernel? |
| 02:33.59 | Octane | damnit |
| 02:34.10 | SerajewelKS | not to be a troll, but windows is really starting to look attractive |
| 02:34.13 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: what sort of clock drift are you talking about? |
| 02:34.20 | maher | SerajewelKS: use windows then |
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| 02:34.42 | nvz | well a girl at 16 really doesnt need to be singing about love and blues either.. what the hell has a teenage girl have to be blue about or know about love :P |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | nvz: first crush ? :) |
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| 02:35.08 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i submitted it to the BTS.. but basically, on every boot the kernel seems to pick a random number, and push the system clock ahead by that amount. after 2 hours my clock can be off by as much as 15 minutes. if the drift is too bad, media like videos and audio speed up. |
| 02:35.21 | Octane | dondelelcaro: may i ask you a questio |
| 02:35.21 | Octane | n |
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| 02:35.38 | dondelelcaro | Octane: you just did. |
| 02:35.45 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: and what does adjtimex -p; print out when this is happening? |
| 02:35.57 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: what is the content of /etc/adjtime? |
| 02:36.17 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, adjtimex doesn't exist |
| 02:36.20 | afabian | Now he has to ask if he can ask another question after asking the question he's asking. |
| 02:36.26 | jeremywhiting | hi all, I'm a debian noob, but a linux pro, is there anything I need to do differently when building my own kernel for my debian box? |
| 02:36.33 | jeremywhiting | initrd or anything? |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | !tell jeremywhiting about kp |
| 02:36.35 | SerajewelKS | /etc/adjtime -0.414110 1120951755 0.000000 [\n] 1120951755 [\n] LOCAL |
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| 02:36.53 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it's /sbin/adjtimex |
| 02:37.01 | jeremywhiting | kp? |
| 02:37.10 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i said it's not there |
| 02:37.18 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: install it then. |
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| 02:37.37 | Octane | dondelelcaro: i do uupdate (from the source of a package) to the newer version tarball |
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| 02:37.49 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, will that fix the fact that my media speeds up? really i'm looking for a cure for the disease, not a patch to ease the pain... |
| 02:37.54 | Octane | is there anything i need to do between that and running dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 02:37.59 | dondelelcaro | Octane: you can. |
| 02:38.12 | abrotman | jeremywhiting: see what dpkg told you |
| 02:38.23 | dondelelcaro | Octane: depends on what upstream has changed. |
| 02:38.39 | Octane | dondelelcaro: ah ah! thats my question -- how do i find that out |
| 02:38.44 | jeremywhiting | don't see anything about initrd there, but I'll check it out |
| 02:38.53 | dondelelcaro | Octane: you look at the diff between upstream packages |
| 02:39.13 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: The first issue is to solve your clock drift problems; worry about the media stuff later. |
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| 02:39.33 | abrotman | jeremywhiting: do you really want initrd ? |
| 02:39.45 | jeremywhiting | no |
| 02:39.47 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: 15 minutes in 2 hours is a huge drift, and is almost definetly because either your hardware clock is crap, or the wrong settings are being used to step the system clock. |
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| 02:39.55 | abrotman | jeremywhiting: then don't use it :) |
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| 02:40.24 | Octane | dondelelcaro: but how is a diff file created if the software hasn't been compiled |
| 02:40.30 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, it ran fine on 2.6.8 |
| 02:40.34 | rixth | Maybe voice now? |
| 02:40.37 | jeremywhiting | but I seem to remember havind trouble getting my kernel to work the last time around without it |
| 02:40.38 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, but USB and nvidia support for 2.6.8 sucked |
| 02:40.39 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: so run 2.6.8. |
| 02:40.41 | rixth | http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/unix-haters.html Heh. |
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| 02:41.13 | SerajewelKS | so right now i'm stuck between an unusable system where my clock is right, or a usable system where the clock sucks and my audio plays 2x |
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| 02:41.36 | SerajewelKS | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 02:41.40 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: quit complaining already and work the problem; We're not here for confession. |
| 02:41.50 | SerajewelKS | something is changing my master volume controls... |
| 02:42.12 | maher | rixth: are they still hosting that? last time i looked it was all "everything was fine on my lisp box till they made me use unix" |
| 02:42.15 | Octane | i mean where the hell is the diff that uupdate created |
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| 02:42.28 | kerframil | does anyone know the exact nature of the fix provided by the tty-locking-fixes patch in debian's kernel sources? |
| 02:42.30 | dondelelcaro | Octane: you run diff yourself. |
| 02:42.50 | Octane | man its true afterall, packaging stuff IS rocket science! |
| 02:42.59 | rixth | maher, Yep. Interesting to see that IDG was the publisher |
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| 02:43.22 | dondelelcaro | Octane: no, it's not; you just need to be familiar with the package your packaging; otherwise your packages will suck. |
| 02:43.51 | Octane | dondelelcaro: all im trying to do is create a package of a new upstream of something that's already packaged... just an upgrade is all |
| 02:43.57 | dondelelcaro | Octane: the generation of the actualy .diff.gz that is used to patch the orig.tar.gz is done by dpkg-source -b; as part of the dpkg-buildpackage call. |
| 02:44.08 | dondelelcaro | Octane: which package? |
| 02:44.12 | Octane | libtag |
| 02:44.16 | Octane | 1.4 just came out |
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| 02:44.51 | Octane | dondelelcaro: yes i understand... the problem is that i get errors about missing files when i run dpkg-buildpackage since some of the files being pointed to from the debian/ config files are from the old version |
| 02:45.19 | bluefox83 | i don't suppose they have recompiled kernel 2.6.11 with the latest gcc... |
| 02:45.27 | dondelelcaro | Octane: creating a new version of a library package is a non-trivial task, especially when it looks like the soname may have changed. |
| 02:46.00 | Octane | the soname is not the only thing that changed (i tried changing it to 1.4 myself already in the .install file) |
| 02:46.29 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: no. Use gcc-3.4 |
| 02:46.29 | Octane | and i also believe new files have been added |
| 02:46.50 | dondelelcaro | actually, it doesn't look like the soname has changed; but if you don't know how to check that, you really don't want to be packing a new version of a library. |
| 02:46.52 | bluefox83 | dang :/ |
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| 02:47.14 | Octane | soname has changed to reflect the new version |
| 02:47.23 | bluefox83 | why haven't they recompiled the kernel image 2.6.11 with gcc-4.0? |
| 02:48.31 | abrotman | lazy? |
| 02:48.36 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, you know of any kernel boot options that might help? someone suggested noacpi but that didn't work |
| 02:49.28 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: kernel boot options aren't the problem; the options that are being given to the hardware clock most likely are. What is the output of adjtimex -p; when this skew is happening? |
| 02:49.47 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it will also be useful if you give the kernel config that you're using, and the diff between that config and the 2.6.8 config that worked. |
| 02:50.20 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, kernel config? i apt-get installed the new one and rebooted. |
| 02:50.26 | SerajewelKS | new being 2.6.11 |
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| 02:50.56 | yumeng | kernel 2.6.8 support > 1G ram by default? |
| 02:51.10 | bob2 | the -686 ones do |
| 02:51.18 | paster | "SerajewelKS" at 69.95.62.107 pasted "adjtimex -p" (12 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/422 |
| 02:51.27 | abrotman | i think that all do ? |
| 02:51.33 | abrotman | including -k7 etc |
| 02:51.39 | bob2 | maybe |
| 02:51.47 | bob2 | I don't have any others installed to check |
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| 02:54.00 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, get my paste? |
| 02:54.02 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: your tick is set to 9811 which is about 18900 ppm off; you're probably losing at least 28 minutes every day. |
| 02:54.25 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, that sounds about right.. but remember that it changes every boot |
| 02:54.34 | SerajewelKS | one time i went a week with only a few minutes drift |
| 02:54.48 | SerajewelKS | other times i lose almost 10 minutes per hour |
| 02:55.12 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: stop ntp-simple if it's running; run adjtimex -t 10000 -f 0; and delete /etc/adjtimex; |
| 02:55.45 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, don't have ntp-simple installed... did the others, now what |
| 02:56.29 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: now your clock should stop drifting. |
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| 02:57.00 | SerajewelKS | okay... |
| 02:57.21 | SerajewelKS | and will this permanently solve the problem? |
| 02:57.57 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: probably; really depends on what was setting it to an improper value. You'll probably also want to hwclock --systohc; too |
| 02:58.13 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, yeah i was doing that a lot already =) |
| 02:58.26 | SerajewelKS | er |
| 02:58.28 | SerajewelKS | --hctosys |
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| 02:59.14 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: you may also want to install ntp-simple; it's fairly good at combating "sane" levels of clock drift. |
| 02:59.40 | SerajewelKS | does it require a network connection? |
| 02:59.50 | dondelelcaro | yes; I assume you have one. |
| 02:59.57 | SerajewelKS | i have dial-up, yes |
| 03:00.19 | dondelelcaro | well, that won't help much unless you're on dialup all the time. |
| 03:00.26 | SerajewelKS | right |
| 03:01.52 | SerajewelKS | i wonder what changed between 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 that could have caused this |
| 03:01.58 | SerajewelKS | i tried 2.6.12 from unstable and that wasn't any better |
| 03:02.47 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: probably nothing; if you have a bad /etc/adjtime, it will just get worse. |
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| 03:03.05 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i deleted that once, and it didn't help |
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| 03:03.23 | SerajewelKS | i didn't have adjtimex installed at that point either, if that means anything |
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| 03:06.52 | SerajewelKS | oh, and debian-vs-windows people will probably like this: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/20682301/ |
| 03:07.06 | Baloo | I could have sworn KDE announced Google Desktop type search functionality in KDE 3.4. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39164634,00.htm |
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| 03:07.11 | Baloo | In reality, where do I find that? |
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| 03:08.36 | SerajewelKS | wow |
| 03:08.52 | SerajewelKS | who woulda guessed that a hanging CD audio read could lock up my whole desktop |
| 03:08.58 | fortysixand2 | ouch |
| 03:09.26 | SerajewelKS | now xchat is spawning a million help windows?! wtf?! |
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| 03:10.27 | HAMM3R | Im having FTP problems. im using vsftpd. I can connect, and log in, but when i try to write public_html directory, i get a a "no primission" error. |
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| 03:10.37 | HAMM3R | ant ideas? |
| 03:10.51 | SerajewelKS | ants have ideas? |
| 03:11.06 | ke6isf | HAMM3R: It means that you don't have permission to write to the directory. |
| 03:11.35 | HAMM3R | but i do. i log in as hamm3r, and the dir im trying to write to is /home/hamm3r/public_html |
| 03:11.47 | SerajewelKS | HAMM3R, but the FTP daemon isn't run as 'hamm3r' |
| 03:11.49 | ke6isf | HAMM3R: Have you tried chmod? |
| 03:12.00 | HAMM3R | well, yes |
| 03:12.14 | HAMM3R | sudo chmod -Rf hamm3r:hamm3r /home/hamm3r |
| 03:12.14 | sciron | nslookup from bind9.3.1-2, sarge testing branch, enter interactive mode, 'server <any form of address>', nslookup exits. fire it up again, it actually works. thoughts? |
| 03:12.19 | HAMM3R | my friend told me to do that |
| 03:12.20 | SerajewelKS | HAMM3R, so the FTP daemon doesn't have access to your home folder |
| 03:12.45 | ke6isf | forgot, ftp requires access to your own directory. |
| 03:12.57 | ke6isf | HAMM3R: Have you tried using sftp? |
| 03:13.02 | HAMM3R | when i do: sudo chmod -Rf hamm3r:hamm3r /home/hamm3r .... i get chmod: invalid mode string: `haycustoms:haycustoms' |
| 03:13.03 | HAMM3R | yes |
| 03:13.06 | HAMM3R | i use sftp also |
| 03:13.09 | HAMM3R | it works fine |
| 03:13.15 | ke6isf | HAMM3R: OK, use that then. |
| 03:13.18 | SerajewelKS | HAMM3R, chgrp, not chmod |
| 03:13.27 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 03:13.28 | SerajewelKS | chown |
| 03:13.34 | stew | all three |
| 03:13.34 | SerajewelKS | i get those three confused too |
| 03:13.41 | HAMM3R | so whats the full command? |
| 03:13.52 | SerajewelKS | HAMM3R, that depends on what user the FTP daemon runs as |
| 03:14.04 | HAMM3R | hmmm |
| 03:14.05 | ke6isf | hmm, should make dinner |
| 03:14.11 | rixth | !info tleds |
| 03:14.15 | HAMM3R | how could i determine that? |
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| 03:14.20 | dpkg | tleds: (Blinks keyboard LEDs indicating TX and RX network packets.), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.05beta10-8 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 03:14.29 | HAMM3R | i did the apt-get install vstfpd from the user hamm3r |
| 03:14.41 | kimo | I have a list of file names, how can I only filter the ones that are more than 6 months old ? |
| 03:14.54 | SerajewelKS | HAMM3R, how the heck could you install something when you're not root? |
| 03:15.01 | dondelelcaro | kimo: with find or stat. |
| 03:15.02 | HAMM3R | well yes |
| 03:15.11 | HAMM3R | sudo apt-get install vsftpd |
| 03:15.12 | HAMM3R | sorry |
| 03:15.15 | SerajewelKS | okay |
| 03:15.18 | sciron | kimo> man find .... iirc find has a date option |
| 03:15.35 | SerajewelKS | HAMM3R, look in the vsftpd configuration file and see what user/group it runs under |
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| 03:15.46 | HAMM3R | ok, ill try that. brb |
| 03:16.06 | kimo | sciron: I already have the list of files. I can not use find, or it will search for any file that > 6 months |
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| 03:17.06 | sciron | kimo> find has a date filter option if the files are accessible, otherwise you're stuck parsing the text file ;) |
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| 03:17.23 | SerajewelKS | kimo, you could try something like... find [time-finding options] `cat file-list` |
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| 03:18.30 | kimo | SerajewelKS: would this work! lemme try it. thnx |
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| 03:18.39 | iain | Are there any distros which aren't a branch off Debian that use .deb? |
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| 03:19.18 | SerajewelKS | iain, i doubt anyone here cares... |
| 03:19.40 | dondelelcaro | kimo: just do something like perl -ne 'print $_,qq(\n) if (stat($filename))[9] < 6monthsagoepoch' < filelist > oldfiles; |
| 03:19.41 | iain | SerajewelKS: Caring is besides the point. Knowledge is all it takes to answer a question. |
| 03:20.03 | SerajewelKS | iain, you also have to care... or you won't answer it |
| 03:20.04 | daedalus_ | !not debian |
| 03:20.04 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Ubuntu isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here! |
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| 03:20.05 | iain | sciron: Don't they take the original Debian and modify it? |
| 03:20.06 | HAMM3R | i cant find in the config file what user/group it runs under |
| 03:20.07 | dondelelcaro | iain: none to my knowledge; any that did would necessarily use dpkg. |
| 03:20.07 | sciron | and caring to answer it ;) |
| 03:20.13 | sciron | iain> yep, that's not a branch |
| 03:20.22 | kimo | dondelelcaro: that's my one liner :) thnx a mil |
| 03:20.50 | dondelelcaro | perhaps adding a chomp; before the print. |
| 03:20.57 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, or use -lne and scrap the qq(\n) |
| 03:20.57 | dondelelcaro | (or stripping out the qq(\n) |
| 03:20.58 | iain | sciron: What _is_ a branch? |
| 03:21.27 | rebel_ | it's that thing that grows on trees and has leaves on it |
| 03:21.27 | sciron | iain> imo, it's when people that were working on the original fork the development, not when joe bloe decides to release a copy |
| 03:21.28 | t0urneviiiz | Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. |
| 03:21.29 | t0urneviiiz | uh oh |
| 03:21.31 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, it has its uses.. mainly in one-liners |
| 03:21.35 | iain | I guess I ask because Debian supports RPM, in a way. But nothing seems to support .deb |
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| 03:21.47 | sciron | many support .deb |
| 03:21.52 | iain | sciron: Isn't that the case with Ubuntu, though? |
| 03:21.55 | sciron | 270+ English 80x86 distributions out there, MANY support deb |
| 03:22.05 | bob2 | writing dvds takes too long |
| 03:22.06 | dondelelcaro | iain: it's juat an ar archive with tarballs in it; it's not exactly complicated. |
| 03:22.07 | sciron | iain> no idea, it'd be one of the few if it were, if not the first ;) |
| 03:22.22 | bob2 | iain: debian only supports rpm with alien. alien can convert .debs to rpms on other systems, too. |
| 03:22.34 | sciron | mixing packages is quite .... not bright, normally |
| 03:22.41 | iain | sciron: I thought I heard something about many Ubuntu maintainers also maintaining Debian packages. |
| 03:22.48 | iain | bob2: Ah. OK, then. |
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| 03:22.58 | daedalus_ | iain: Ubuntu forks debian regularly and applies their patches to provide a more regular "release" cycle. |
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| 03:23.14 | iain | daedalus_: So it's a modified testing? |
| 03:23.28 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 03:23.29 | daedalus_ | iain: Ubuntu necessarily donates back to the package maintainers. |
| 03:23.43 | bob2 | iain: unstable |
| 03:23.52 | iain | bob2: Oh, OK. |
| 03:23.54 | daedalus_ | iain: Essentially. Go see the ubuntu website or #ubuntu for specifics. This is #debian |
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| 03:24.06 | iain | daedalus_: Sorry, I branched off a bit. |
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| 03:24.14 | daedalus_ | iain: S'ok. It happens |
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| 03:24.24 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, who's "bojan"? |
| 03:24.27 | dondelelcaro | bob2: unfortunatly, not necessarily... but ideally, yes. |
| 03:24.38 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: re alien? |
| 03:24.57 | dondelelcaro | bob2: nah, on the donating back to Debian thing |
| 03:25.03 | bob2 | ah, indeed |
| 03:25.13 | dondelelcaro | it really depends on who is making the changes to the ubuntu package |
| 03:25.30 | iain | dondelelcaro: I think daedalus_ said that. |
| 03:25.42 | daedalus_ | Well, the package maintainers don't have to accept the ubuntu changes ;) |
| 03:25.43 | sciron | iain> developers, not maintainers, fork distributions, imo. it's just semantics though ;) |
| 03:26.03 | dondelelcaro | s/bob2/daedalus_/ |
| 03:26.10 | iain | sciron: Developers are the people who write the software, and maintainers those who supply it? |
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| 03:26.47 | traumator | do kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 is for 32 bits linux ? |
| 03:26.53 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: sure; but in some cases the patches haven't been made easily available to the Debian maintainers. There have been long threads on -devel about this very issue. |
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| 03:27.05 | dondelelcaro | traumator: no, for 64 bit as the name implies. |
| 03:27.20 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: I'll take your word for it. I don't keep up with -devel |
| 03:27.30 | traumator | wich kernel u get for a amd64 on sarge stable 32 bits? |
| 03:27.48 | daedalus_ | Uh |
| 03:27.50 | sciron | iain> I think you'll find most developers would be ticked at the idea of being called 'just' the maintainer of something, if they developed it ;) |
| 03:27.51 | iain | traumator: Wouldn't it be an Athlon kernel? |
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| 03:28.04 | traumator | no |
| 03:28.12 | traumator | there is no athlon kernel |
| 03:28.13 | iain | sciron: I never said the word `just'. Re-read my post. |
| 03:28.23 | Rockret | what is the best dvd player ? (need one that permit change audio track) |
| 03:28.34 | daedalus_ | traumator: That kernel is what you want. A pure64 kernel exists in a pure64 tree elsewhere |
| 03:28.48 | traumator | ok good |
| 03:28.59 | sciron | iain> suppliers/distributors supply it, maintainers keep up with the developers' code by repacking it for their distributions, if we're speaking of distribution package maintainers |
| 03:29.09 | iain | sciron: OK. |
| 03:29.25 | pourritutre | if anyone here uses vlc I would appreciate a hand here ... when I try to apt-get wxvlc is says " wxvlc: Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.4.3.1) but it is not installable" ... however aptitude shows I have 2.4.4 installed |
| 03:29.29 | bob2 | Rockret: mplayer, as long as you don't want menu support |
| 03:29.38 | iain | I'm surprised that you would interpret my post as derogatory to developers and maintainers. |
| 03:29.54 | sciron | iain> you're putting words in my mouth. I was merely stating my own experiences |
| 03:30.08 | iain | sciron: You said I think you'll find most developers would be ticked at the idea of being called 'just' the maintainer of |
| 03:30.11 | iain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:30.19 | iain | sciron: Even though I did'nt use the word `just'. |
| 03:30.45 | sciron | iain> yes, I did. that, in no way implies that I thought what you said was derogitory. it implies developers, in my experiences, have found it derogitory |
| 03:30.52 | daedalus_ | iain: I think he's just clearing up the defn's of the word. I was a little unclear myself |
| 03:31.01 | daedalus_ | sciron: thanks for the info |
| 03:31.05 | iain | sciron: I thought you were scolding me for using the word `just'. |
| 03:31.07 | sciron | np |
| 03:31.12 | sciron | iain> no, not at all |
| 03:31.22 | iain | OK, misunderstanding. |
| 03:31.26 | iain | It happens. |
| 03:31.33 | sciron | happens to me too ;) |
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| 03:31.43 | pourritutre | JUST a misunderstanding? |
| 03:31.46 | pourritutre | hehehe |
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| 03:32.22 | daedalus_ | pourritutre: WHat happens if you try to grab vlc using aptitude? |
| 03:32.38 | daedalus_ | pourritutre, (shouldn't make a difference...) |
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| 03:33.43 | iain | Oh, another thing I came in here to ask, although it's borderline Debian-related: could Synaptic be made to work for more than one package format, so that it could be used on other distros? |
| 03:34.17 | bob2 | yeah |
| 03:34.25 | bob2 | given libapt has presumably been ported to rpm |
| 03:34.42 | sciron | bob2> why would you think so? |
| 03:34.51 | bob2 | using Debian package management tools on other distros doesn't help much, tho, since they don't have Policy |
| 03:34.56 | daedalus_ | I believe it has |
| 03:34.58 | bob2 | sciron: because apt4rpm exists? |
| 03:35.01 | sciron | yum was from either yopper or yellow dog iirc |
| 03:35.01 | brlancer | iain: I think it's almost always "possible", it's all how much work you want to put into it |
| 03:35.04 | sciron | ah, k, didn't know that |
| 03:35.07 | iain | I'm referring specifically to ebuilds. Portage is superficially like apt, to the user. |
| 03:35.09 | pourritutre | daedalus_, (in red) libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.3.3.1) (UNAVAILABLE) |
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| 03:35.20 | daedalus_ | yum == yellowdog update manager |
| 03:35.21 | brlancer | yum is yast |
| 03:35.31 | brlancer | er? I thought it was yast |
| 03:35.45 | iain | brlancer: yum is yast? No, it's very different, in my experience. |
| 03:35.49 | daedalus_ | Far as I know it's yellowdog.... |
| 03:35.50 | sciron | yum is what rh uses, along with other distros, yast is for suse |
| 03:35.54 | bob2 | iain: you can port anything to anything, but I don't think porting synaptic to gentoo would be very useful |
| 03:35.56 | iain | daedalus_: I've heard that too. |
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| 03:36.04 | sciron | lol bob2, how true |
| 03:36.29 | iain | bob2: As it stands, Gentoo has no good graphical package manager. I thought Synaptic was a good model for one. |
| 03:36.36 | brlancer | sciron: Fedora uses yum, Redhat uses there RHN up2date thing |
| 03:36.37 | iain | but you have a point. |
| 03:36.41 | daedalus_ | brlancer, iain, sciron: D'oh I was close: yum - Yellowdog Updater Modified |
| 03:36.45 | sciron | brenda> up2date is yum based |
| 03:36.50 | daedalus_ | Yep |
| 03:36.50 | iain | brlancer: Fedora also uses up2date. |
| 03:37.47 | daedalus_ | I like "update manager" better ;) |
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| 03:38.30 | iain | Under Debian, is it a lot of work to recompile X? Among all the distros I've used, every single Debian-based one crashes my system, while no others do. I'm fairly sure it's X. |
| 03:38.41 | iain | Maybe some weird setting at compile time. |
| 03:39.01 | bob2 | I doubt taht very much |
| 03:39.06 | bob2 | which bug # is your report? |
| 03:39.08 | brlancer | more likely a driver |
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| 03:39.34 | pourritutre | daedalus_, but the package libwxgtk 2.4 is now called libwxgtk2.4-1 ... so I am guessing that the vlc maintainers dropped the ball |
| 03:39.38 | tonsofpcs | ok, I just changed wine [via winesetup] to use a physical partition, and it is still using the virtual partition that i had made prior. How can I fix this? [2.6.10] |
| 03:40.10 | daedalus_ | pourritutre: Suck. What flavor are you using? (sarge?) |
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| 03:40.15 | iain | bob2: I hadn't filed one when I used Debian, and I've been trying the other various distros recently. |
| 03:40.24 | iain | brlancer: Could be. My card is old. |
| 03:40.26 | pourritutre | and I should change the package that I have installed to say that it satisfies libwxgtk 2.4 |
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| 03:40.40 | pourritutre | daedalus_, sid |
| 03:41.10 | brlancer | iain: it crashes your whole box? |
| 03:42.27 | iain | brlancer: Actually, my monitor went black, the green power light turned orange, which indicated it wasn't receiving data, and ctrl-alt-del did't reboot, nor ctrl-alt-backspace. I had to press the reset button on the box. |
| 03:42.54 | iain | It became completely unresponsice. |
| 03:43.00 | iain | unresponsive* |
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| 03:43.25 | iain | Oh, and high CPU or mem usage might be involved, it often crashed in the middle of Audacity processing a file. |
| 03:43.34 | iain | Or GWC. |
| 03:43.51 | bob2 | I'd be very surprised if it was a compile option, but X is trivial to build on Debian |
| 03:43.55 | iain | Strangely, Ubuntu and Knoppix had the same problem. |
| 03:43.55 | pourritutre | daedalus_, see the following http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/wxvlc |
| 03:43.59 | bob2 | it will just take a long time and disk |
| 03:44.04 | brlancer | wait--it boots and runs for a while? how long? |
| 03:44.20 | bob2 | iain: are you sure it's not just DPMS? |
| 03:44.32 | iain | bob2: I probably have enough disk, and it would be better to wait than to constantly lose my data. |
| 03:44.40 | iain | bob2: I disabled it to check that. |
| 03:44.57 | iain | If I ever go back to Debian, I'll file a bug report and try recompiling X. |
| 03:45.14 | iain | However, using a different graphics card seemed to fix it, so it's the driver, perhaps. |
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| 03:45.37 | iain | Unfortunately, my other graphics card is 4MiB, so it's not worth using instead. |
| 03:46.48 | brlancer | iain: I blew one of my monitors on a bad driver - S3 Savage card or soemthing |
| 03:48.35 | iain | brlancer: My monitor hadn't been damaged, but even though it seemed to be a card, it freezed up the system, because I couldn't even restart or use the keyboard when it happened. |
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| 03:50.05 | zebalin | I have 2 HDs. MBR and WinXP is on hda (normal) and linux distros are on hdb. I need to reinstall grub. Does hda have to be mounted in order to write to the MBR? |
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| 03:51.38 | Chass | is it just me, or are there fewer software upates in debian testing lately? |
| 03:51.56 | cheale1 | Chass: it's not just you |
| 03:52.12 | Chass | hmm |
| 03:53.04 | iain | Well, I've had my questions answered. See y'all. |
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| 03:55.10 | bob2 | testing has been disabled |
| 03:55.13 | bob2 | it will be back soon |
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| 03:55.24 | abrotman | zebalin: think about that |
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| 03:55.57 | abrotman | zebalin: you're writing grub to /dev/hda .. was it mounted the first time you did that ? |
| 03:56.08 | cheal | testing has been disabled :?? |
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| 03:57.15 | bob2 | yes |
| 03:57.23 | zebalin | abrotman: You're right. Besides you don't mount drives you mount partitions. Don't know what I was thinking. |
| 03:57.25 | bob2 | ftp-master had to move out fro mthe company that was hosting it |
| 03:57.30 | bob2 | so it was down for a few days |
| 03:57.34 | pourritutre | daedalus_, are you still here ... I got it to work ... |
| 03:57.40 | bob2 | now stuff is moving temporarily to another machine |
| 03:57.54 | sciron | you can mount drives |
| 03:57.57 | abrotman | zebalin: it's late ? |
| 03:58.26 | zebalin | I have deb on sdb4. Does this look right? grub-install --recheck --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/sdb4 /dev/sda Maybe one less since grubu uses a different num. system? |
| 03:58.32 | Eonn_ | guys how to i see what type of filesystem a HDD is formated as - I've run fdisk but it just reports the fs type as linux - is there are way to see if its Ext2, Ext3 or Reiser |
| 03:58.52 | rking | is saying "Cheers," at the end of an email a european thing? |
| 03:58.56 | abrotman | zebalin: usually root is specified in the grub conf file |
| 03:59.45 | zebalin | abrotman: I get confused when to use Linux number system and when to use grub's "one less" numbering. |
| 03:59.53 | bob2 | rking: kinda British |
| 03:59.54 | abrotman | rking: usually . more english i think |
| 04:00.09 | bob2 | Eonn_: try mounting it as each |
| 04:00.12 | bob2 | thats what the kernel does |
| 04:00.24 | rking | bob2/abrotman: ahh, k |
| 04:00.43 | daedalus_ | pourritutre: I'm about |
| 04:00.54 | daedalus_ | pourritutre: What'd you have to do? |
| 04:02.19 | Eonn_ | bob2 - yeah i did and found it to be ext3, but I thought there might be a way of autodetecting the type of fs |
| 04:02.40 | bob2 | Eonn_: "file" might work |
| 04:02.42 | tonsofpcs | rking - you can pretend i'm a newbie and help me :) |
| 04:02.47 | bob2 | with a special option to look through the device node |
| 04:02.56 | rking | tonsofpcs: bring it |
| 04:02.59 | pourritutre | daedalus_, I added a line for etch to sources.list ... updated ... got the libwxgtk ... removed the line for etch from sources.list ... updated again ... got wxvlc |
| 04:03.00 | daedalus_ | mount -t auto ...? |
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| 04:03.15 | tonsofpcs | ok, I just changed wine [via winesetup] to use a physical partition, and it is still using the virtual partition that i had made prior. How can I fix this? [2.6.10] |
| 04:03.18 | daedalus_ | Eonn_: mount -t auto? |
| 04:03.31 | Eonn_ | daedalus - auto hmmm didnt know that was even an option |
| 04:03.48 | rking | Eonn_: this is linux! everything is user-friendly! |
| 04:03.53 | cheal | bob2: ok, I thought testing was back since the temporary moves were done |
| 04:03.54 | Eonn_ | daedalus - but still reports fs as 'Linux' doesnt specify what the filesystem actually is |
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| 04:03.55 | daedalus_ | hahahahaha |
| 04:04.14 | Eonn_ | deadalus - lol |
| 04:04.36 | maher | Eonn: fdisk picks up the partition label, which can be set independently of the fs on the partition |
| 04:04.48 | nerdy2 | Eonn_: after mounted, cat /etc/mtab |
| 04:05.06 | rking | tonsofpcs: hrmm... well, i'm someone who has never set up wine, but let's think about this... have you restarted everything that might possibly need to be restarted, and have you looked at any logs that might be relevant? |
| 04:05.12 | maher | Eonn: file -s may guess the partition, or just mount /dev/hdxx on something and type mount |
| 04:05.14 | daedalus_ | try mount -l -t auto |
| 04:05.32 | rking | Eonn_: I think "Linux" is code for "ext2" |
| 04:05.47 | tonsofpcs | rking - yup, yup, and yup |
| 04:05.54 | Eonn_ | nerdy - yeah good idea |
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| 04:06.04 | Eonn_ | rking - okay |
| 04:06.22 | Eonn_ | does it also report Linux for Ext3? |
| 04:06.22 | abrotman | have you asked #winehq |
| 04:06.55 | rking | tonsofpcs: yeah, what abrotman said |
| 04:07.04 | abrotman | yeah .. what i said! |
| 04:07.05 | Eonn_ | all - righto a few things to try |
| 04:07.25 | daedalus_ | Eonn_: Whoops. Just 'mount -l' |
| 04:07.41 | Eonn_ | deadalus - what does mount - l do? |
| 04:07.43 | daedalus_ | Eonn_: It tells me that ext3 is mounted, not just 'linux' |
| 04:07.44 | tonsofpcs | abrotman - yup, waited for reply for 25 minutes, got a question back, replied to it, been waiting.... |
| 04:08.05 | daedalus_ | Eonn_: lists your mounted fs's with type labels |
| 04:08.13 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: you know .. people sleep sometimes :) |
| 04:08.13 | rking | tonsofpcs: when you say "uses foo partition", do you mean that you're trying to access an existing dos/windows partition, or just set up a new one? (i don't exactly know if both are possible) |
| 04:08.16 | daedalus_ | Eonn_ eg: /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) [/] |
| 04:08.37 | maher | daedalus_: that's a different sort of label from the partition id fdisk sees |
| 04:08.38 | tonsofpcs | rking - use existing |
| 04:09.09 | rking | tonsofpcs: so when it tries to use the physical, you're basically getting C:\ when you want D:\ ? |
| 04:09.28 | abrotman | the wineconf will let you specify the drive letter .. or define other drive letters to be used |
| 04:10.14 | exobyte | Here's what I have set in iptables. How can I unblock everything into and out of ppp0? http://pastebin.ca/18905 |
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| 04:10.23 | tonsofpcs | abrotman, rking - i have C: set to /dev/sdb1, it is using /old/virtual/.partition/file [forget the location] instead |
| 04:10.46 | rking | tonsofpcs: i say strace the bitch |
| 04:10.53 | rking | tonsofpcs: strace -e open for starters |
| 04:10.54 | abrotman | check the .wine/config .. it hink |
| 04:11.09 | rking | tonsofpcs: yeah, that's a good idea - what if your user's conf is overriding some global conf? |
| 04:11.14 | rking | tonsofpcs: what abrotman said |
| 04:11.49 | tonsofpcs | well i can't find the actual wine.conf.... |
| 04:12.14 | rking | tonsofpcs: you'll know exactly which conf files it's looking at if you strace -o the bitch. |
| 04:12.16 | daedalus_ | exobyte: #iptables for one... for two, that paste isn't very usefull without device information (like, it doesn't say if that first INPUT line applies to a particular interface or not...) |
| 04:12.39 | exobyte | daedalus_: umm, see, i really have no idea how it works... |
| 04:12.58 | exobyte | daedalus_: some idiot at netgear was kind sloppy |
| 04:13.03 | daedalus_ | exobyte: How the heck did you.... oh |
| 04:13.40 | exobyte | daedalus_: set the usb drive root ftp share to ../../ and upload telnetenbale to /tmp |
| 04:13.40 | daedalus_ | exobyte: post an iptables -L -v |
| 04:14.28 | exobyte | daedalus_: one minute |
| 04:16.37 | tonsofpcs | rking - don't see any conf file......... |
| 04:17.08 | sciron | why would a configure script think gcc's version is 3.4 when according to 'dpkg -l | grep gcc', 3.4 isn't even installed? |
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| 04:18.10 | rking | tonsofpcs: strace -eopen -o /tmp/asdf winewhatever; nopaste < /tmp/asdf # assuming you have installed the CPAN WebService::NoPaste |
| 04:20.44 | tonsofpcs | can i apt-get nopaste? |
| 04:21.26 | daedalus_ | !info nopaste |
| 04:21.31 | rking | tonsofpcs: not until someone packages it or gives me rights to. =) (i haven't written any mailing lists about it) |
| 04:21.41 | tonsofpcs | lol |
| 04:21.53 | daedalus_ | tonsofpcs: Package 'nopaste' does not exist. |
| 04:22.05 | rking | tonsofpcs: cpan WebService::NoPaste should work, if you've cfg'd cpan before |
| 04:22.18 | tonsofpcs | nope |
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| 04:22.22 | tonsofpcs | not configed |
| 04:22.32 | tonsofpcs | how bout i just open a browser? |
| 04:22.41 | rking | tonsofpcs: yeah, i was going to suggest that. =) |
| 04:22.54 | tonsofpcs | heh |
| 04:23.00 | tonsofpcs | which one do you want it on? |
| 04:23.04 | tonsofpcs | rafb? |
| 04:23.07 | rking | tonsofpcs: sure. |
| 04:23.28 | tonsofpcs | nm, this on ehas file :) |
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| 04:24.18 | drcode | hi al |
| 04:24.26 | tonsofpcs | rking - http://phpfi.com/72140 |
| 04:24.35 | drcode | any one know good psx2 emulator in linux deb? |
| 04:25.00 | rking | tonsofpcs: oh, it's forking... strace -f -e open -o /tmp/asdf |
| 04:25.20 | rking | tonsofpcs: all of those SIGCHLD's hint that there's something more interesting going on in a child proc |
| 04:25.38 | exobyte | daedalus_: http://pastebin.ca/18918 |
| 04:25.55 | tonsofpcs | rking - k |
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| 04:27.11 | WiFiTux | can anyone provide me with the marillat line for unstable? |
| 04:27.18 | litage | how does one permanently change their system's umask? |
| 04:27.26 | tonsofpcs | rking - http://phpfi.com/72141 |
| 04:27.50 | tonsofpcs | rking - sorry, it didn't refresh... |
| 04:28.05 | WiFiTux | anyone? :) |
| 04:28.11 | rking | WiFiTux: 1 minute |
| 04:28.14 | cheal | !tell WiFiTux about marillat |
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| 04:28.32 | rking | yeah, what dpkg said |
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| 04:28.43 | sciron | need to deposit another quarter? |
| 04:29.14 | tonsofpcs | rking - http://www.tonsofpcs.com/winetrace.txt |
| 04:30.45 | daedalus_ | exobyte: Well, my reply didn't work as expected... but the commands to drop ppp0 are in the description of your pastebin |
| 04:30.51 | daedalus_ | exobyte: http://pastebin.ca/18919 |
| 04:31.01 | rking | tonsofpcs: so, reading strace's involves a lot of mental filtering... the average program does a ton of stuff before it does anything... to see the bare-bones example: strace echo foo ... |
| 04:31.49 | daedalus_ | exobyte: and that's a -I if you're wondering |
| 04:32.27 | rking | tonsofpcs: there may be something interesting in this "/tmp/wine.log.6FsAyf" .. but definitely look at "/root/.wine/*" |
| 04:33.05 | exobyte | daedalus_: -I? |
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| 04:34.31 | litage | why is there no manpage for umask? |
| 04:34.40 | sciron | it's a bash thing |
| 04:34.44 | sciron | help umask iirc |
| 04:34.48 | exobyte | daedalus_: will adding two accept rules fix that? |
| 04:35.04 | rking | tonsofpcs: you see where it checks "/root/.wine/config"? somewhere around the 1/3rd mark in the file... after that it starts going crazy looking at all these different /root/.wine/dosdevices/[a-z]:, and it seems to be pretty happy on c:, where it opens c:/windows and c:/windows/system a bunch of times |
| 04:35.17 | daedalus_ | exobyte: What?? The two rules I spec'd are DROP rules |
| 04:35.35 | daedalus_ | exobyte: iptables -I INPUT 2 -i ppp0 -j DROPrniptables -I OUTPUT 1 -i ppp0 -j DROP |
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| 04:36.38 | daedalus_ | exobyte: D'oh... you want to UNblock those ports |
| 04:36.40 | rking | tonsofpcs: i don't know just how painful winesetup/wineconf are, but you might just want to mv /root/.wine /root/dot-wine-old, and try from the top |
| 04:36.48 | daedalus_ | exobyte: Lemme dig some more. Sorry. |
| 04:37.09 | exobyte | daedalus_: yeah.. I'm not sure it's locked, but I can't ping, so the first thing I'd normall check is the firewall |
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| 04:37.44 | daedalus_ | exobyte: well, I suppose if you just change 'DROP' to 'ACCEPT' in the two lines I gave you, it should let it in, no sweat |
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| 04:39.29 | ^Simon^ | hello |
| 04:39.38 | atompngn | greetings |
| 04:39.39 | ^Simon^ | COuld some one help me with debian |
| 04:39.45 | exobyte | daedalus_: hopefully. 1 sec |
| 04:39.45 | rebel_ | probably |
| 04:39.49 | dondelelcaro | !tell ^Simon^ -about ask |
| 04:39.51 | rebel_ | seeing as this is #debian and all |
| 04:40.02 | rebel_ | yeah someone probably knows debian in here not sure though |
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| 04:40.32 | litage | ^Simon^: rather than asking for help, ask a specific question |
| 04:40.38 | ^Simon^ | I have a radeon 9000series video card and i cant seem to get x to run without crashing how do i solve this i choose ati and keep presing enter |
| 04:40.49 | ^Simon^ | then when its done all that bs it still wont owrk |
| 04:41.06 | exobyte | daedalus_: what are the symbols after DROP? irssi highlighted them for some reason |
| 04:41.34 | daedalus_ | There are symbols there? Maybe a html break? |
| 04:41.34 | ^Simon^ | any one know howi can get a list |
| 04:42.00 | daedalus_ | exobyte: DROP should be the last thing you type |
| 04:42.13 | ^Simon^ | well no help here i guess |
| 04:42.21 | daedalus_ | exobyte: well, ACCEPT, since you're replacing it |
| 04:42.23 | Eonn_ | simon - be patient |
| 04:42.55 | Eonn_ | ask again in 10 if you dont get a reply straight off |
| 04:43.12 | ^Simon^ | or uninstall this trash |
| 04:43.17 | ^Simon^ | and use windows lol |
| 04:43.39 | daedalus_ | ^Simon^, Have you checked online for solutions? graphics cards are notorious for being fickle with X |
| 04:43.46 | atompngn | I had to bypass the first boot 'base-config' (on sarge) because of a kernel panic. |
| 04:43.47 | ^Simon^ | yeah i have |
| 04:43.59 | Eonn_ | Right - anyone know how to set debian to feed a 6month old ....brb |
| 04:44.00 | atompngn | So I built a custom kernel to get around this... |
| 04:44.03 | daedalus_ | ^Simon^, If you have that attitude, then I sincerely suggest you do go install windows and stop wasting our time |
| 04:44.21 | atompngn | ...and I don't think I have my apt list setup correctly. |
| 04:44.39 | ^Simon^ | lol wellfuck i have bs'ed with this all day |
| 04:44.41 | atompngn | Is sarge considered testing at this point or stable? |
| 04:44.43 | ^Simon^ | and i should be happy |
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| 04:45.41 | Eonn_ | Simon - you can see it as a problem and give up or an opportunity to learn - either way |
| 04:46.13 | sciron | at0m|c> yes |
| 04:46.15 | sciron | oops |
| 04:46.17 | daedalus_ | ^Simon^: Well, we haven't been wrangling it all day, so cut us some slack for not sharing your feelings... We help faster when we're not being rubbed the wrong way ;) |
| 04:46.18 | sciron | atompngn> yes |
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| 04:47.11 | ^Simon^ | I have a radeon 9000series video card and i cant seem to get x to run without crashing how do i solve this i choose ati and keep presing enter |
| 04:47.19 | atompngn | 2nd part: So if 'base-config' set up my sources.list to point to testing this must be wrong, correct? |
| 04:47.53 | sciron | atompngn> what did you select, testing, stable, or unstable? |
| 04:48.02 | mhall | God I hate Windows. I was trying to burn a CD and it crashed. Then when I rebooted it warned me that directories were unreadably corrupt and I needed to run chkdsk. So when I did, chkdsk had the unquantifiably helpful idea of converting those directories to files, then force-answering yes before I could pick no and attempt to recover data. |
| 04:48.15 | atompngn | 'base-config' didn't prompt for it. |
| 04:48.17 | mhall | Ironically, Windows fucked up so bad I couldn't even use it to burn a Debian CD> |
| 04:48.21 | mhall | Haha. |
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| 04:48.51 | rking | mhall: what were you using to burn? |
| 04:48.58 | atompngn | Probably because I circumvented the "first bootup" setup process because of my little kernel panic. |
| 04:49.03 | mhall | rking: NTI CD Maker |
| 04:49.12 | mhall | rking: came free with the system |
| 04:49.16 | rking | hrm |
| 04:49.18 | sciron | atompngn> did you boot the 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:49.32 | atompngn | 2.6.8 custom |
| 04:49.45 | mhall | Has anybody figured out what you could do to use a Broadcom card on an x86_64 box or should I just use an Atheros PCMCIA and give up? |
| 04:49.48 | ^Simon^ | I have a radeon 9000series video card and i cant seem to get x to run without crashing how do i solve this i choose ati and keep presing enter |
| 04:49.50 | maher | ^Simon^: what version of debian |
| 04:49.57 | ^Simon^ | not sure man |
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| 04:50.12 | ^Simon^ | i just downloaded the first one one the iso site |
| 04:50.13 | atompngn | I had to do that because of a kernel panic with both 2.4 and 2.6 debian kernels on the DVD. |
| 04:50.20 | sciron | atompngn> when it asked for which modules you wanted tested, did you leave them all selected? |
| 04:50.32 | sciron | atompngn> some of the DVDs were known to be bad, iirc |
| 04:50.36 | maher | ^Simon^: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:50.39 | atompngn | no, I tried disabling them |
| 04:50.46 | recall | I just ran a dist-upgrade and noticed after running lilo (for safety =) that my default image no longer existed. It appears support for spaces inside labels has been removed, does anyone know if this is the case? |
| 04:50.56 | atompngn | 'cat /etc/debian_version' = 3.1 |
| 04:51.00 | sciron | atompngn> others in here would know better, but if memory serves, the first batch of dvd isos were not good |
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| 04:51.29 | recall | I understand it's not too important, but I find it odd. |
| 04:51.36 | ^Simon^ | maher whats that |
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| 04:51.53 | maher | ^Simon^: type 'cat /etc/debian_version' it will tell you the debian version |
| 04:52.04 | ^Simon^ | how do i set it up for my radeon 9000 series |
| 04:52.06 | sciron | atompngn> did you d/l the isos ? |
| 04:52.14 | atompngn | yes |
| 04:52.21 | sciron | atompngn> verified md5s? |
| 04:52.32 | atompngn | bit torrent |
| 04:52.51 | atompngn | should have md5summed automatically |
| 04:52.51 | sciron | atompngn> did YOU verify them... BT only d/ls them afaik, depending on your client |
| 04:53.00 | mhall | rking: No worries though. I just jumped onto my desktop box. |
| 04:53.16 | rking | mhall: good. =) |
| 04:53.25 | mhall | rking: I'm afraid I'll have to use an Atheros card instead of the built-in Broadcom though. |
| 04:53.27 | sciron | atompngn> which BT client, btw? |
| 04:53.36 | atompngn | bittornado |
| 04:53.44 | mhall | rking: I doubt loading 32-bit Windows DLLs on 64-bit Linux is supported... |
| 04:53.54 | Wojciech | Hi everyone. I'm new to Debian and trying to set it up for my organization working in North America and Africa. I did the default Debian installation, and don't get a graphical interface. Read the HOWTO and online stuff, and am told a GUI should load automatically. I tried "xstart" but it doesn't work either. Any advice? |
| 04:54.02 | sciron | atompngn> that may, never used it. do you remember when you d/led the isos? were they the first round of dvd isos for sarge/ |
| 04:54.05 | sciron | ? |
| 04:54.14 | mhall | Wojciech: startx |
| 04:54.23 | maher | Wojciech: try using taskel to install a desktop enironment |
| 04:54.32 | atompngn | they were 3.1r0a linked from the official mirror |
| 04:54.39 | ^Simon^ | maher it doesnt tell me the version |
| 04:54.40 | Wojciech | "-bash: startx: command not found" |
| 04:54.40 | ^Simon^ | maher it doesnt tell me the version |
| 04:54.48 | Wojciech | How do I use taskel? :) |
| 04:54.50 | bob2 | Wojciech: then you didn't install a graphical environment |
| 04:54.52 | maher | ^Simon^: what does it say |
| 04:54.54 | rixth | Geez. The JDK is 50mb. |
| 04:54.58 | bob2 | Wojciech: "tasksel", as root |
| 04:54.58 | ^Simon^ | directory notfound |
| 04:54.59 | maher | Wojciech: type tasksel as root |
| 04:55.03 | atompngn | Wojciech> 'tasksel' |
| 04:55.21 | maher | ^Simon^: type: cat /etc/debian_version <-- exactly like that |
| 04:55.22 | sciron | atompngn> i don't know how they do version numbering for the .iso's. have you tried doing the 'expert26' install method as opposed to the default? |
| 04:55.45 | mhall | rixth: ! I knew there was a reason I hated Java... |
| 04:55.50 | atompngn | Yeah, I tried several different install methods. |
| 04:56.07 | recall | Well, to psuedo answer my own question: underscores seem to stand in for spaces in the lilo.conf |
| 04:56.16 | atompngn | Finally have a stable setup after I hand configured a kernel under a chroot. |
| 04:56.19 | Wojciech | This may be a stupid question - but how do I select the "Desktop environment" option from tasksel? I can't type anything, and when I click enter, I return to the terminal. |
| 04:56.28 | maher | Wojciech: is it space? |
| 04:56.29 | ^Simon^ | no such file ordirectory |
| 04:56.41 | Wojciech | yes, it is :) awesome |
| 04:56.43 | Wojciech | thanks :) |
| 04:56.46 | atompngn | Just need to get my sources.list in order before I foobar something |
| 04:56.55 | maher | ^Simon^: try ls -ld /etc |
| 04:56.59 | rking | ^Simon^: cat /etc/*debian* |
| 04:57.13 | rixth | mhall, I'm thinking of learning it. |
| 04:57.14 | exobyte | daedalus_: dude- THANK YOU |
| 04:57.20 | rixth | From a web point of view |
| 04:57.24 | daedalus_ | exobyte: sure, no problem |
| 04:57.57 | rking | rixth: do you already know perl inside and out? |
| 04:58.08 | ^Simon^ | nosuck file or directory |
| 04:58.15 | rking | java:eloi, perl:morlochs |
| 04:58.17 | exobyte | daedalus_: I'm really bad with iptables, and somehow I have to clean these rules up |
| 04:58.22 | rking | ^Simon^: you're not running debian. =) |
| 04:58.24 | exobyte | daedalus_: not now, though |
| 04:58.40 | sciron | atompngn> given that block devices can be checked for md5s, it's the only fast method I can think of for verification. I'm assuming this is for an ia32 machine? |
| 04:58.51 | atompngn | yes |
| 04:58.54 | ^Simon^ | no such file or directory |
| 04:58.55 | Eonn_ | daedalus - you've racked up a few today - |
| 04:59.02 | ^Simon^ | yeah i am |
| 04:59.11 | maher | ^Simon^: did you just install? |
| 04:59.14 | ^Simon^ | i installed debian it says debian for fucks sake |
| 04:59.18 | ^Simon^ | yeah |
| 04:59.22 | rking | hehe |
| 04:59.26 | maher | ^Simon^: where did you get the install disks from |
| 04:59.27 | ^Simon^ | and it updated from the debian sitesandall |
| 04:59.50 | ^Simon^ | i onlygot one disk |
| 05:00.05 | maher | ^Simon^: paste the link |
| 05:00.21 | ^Simon^ | http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=4 i think |
| 05:00.25 | ^Simon^ | i dunno tho |
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| 05:00.39 | theturtle | what version of debian comes with 2.4 kernel? |
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| 05:00.59 | Eonn_ | the turtle - sarge |
| 05:01.25 | rixth | rking, Nope, PHP is the only language I know |
| 05:01.27 | ^Simon^ | yeah i got the one with 2.4 kernal |
| 05:01.43 | maher | ^Simon^: what does dpkg -l libc6 say |
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| 05:02.01 | tonsofpcs | rking - ah, i see, ok, how do i chnage a symlink to retarget from a console? |
| 05:02.04 | rking | rixth: i would definitely learn perl before java. java reeks of pseudoacademic commercialism, if you ask me. (which you didn't. =)) |
| 05:02.16 | atompngn | sciron> md5's check out |
| 05:02.20 | rixth | !perl |
| 05:02.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, perl is the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerfull if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ |
| 05:02.42 | rking | tonsofpcs: are you just asking how you change a symlink from the command-line? if so, just do ln -fs /some/where/that/exists /some/where/that/you/want/to/exist |
| 05:02.44 | sciron | atompngn> what was the specific error you were getting, a segfault? |
| 05:02.48 | rixth | Hey, where was the factiod about making an octopus by nailing 4 extra legs on a dog? |
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| 05:03.17 | tonsofpcs | rking - ln -fs /place/link/is /place/link/goes ?? |
| 05:03.26 | rking | tonsofpcs: yes/that/s/correct |
| 05:03.35 | rixth | WTF, the Perl manual is in PDF |
| 05:03.53 | ^Simon^ | 2.3.2 and it says somthing about half installed |
| 05:03.57 | ^Simon^ | 2.3.2 and it says somthing about half installed |
| 05:04.16 | tonsofpcs | rking - how do i check the link first to be sure it is a symlink, not hard? |
| 05:04.16 | bob2 | rixth: man perloop |
| 05:04.18 | bob2 | etc |
| 05:04.23 | rking | rixth: where'd you get it? is it some open version of the Camel or something? |
| 05:04.23 | atompngn | It was hanging on ohci1394 or i810_audio |
| 05:04.40 | rking | tonsofpcs: file /some/file |
| 05:04.42 | atompngn | Others have reported the same issue with this model of laptop (HP zd7000) |
| 05:04.44 | ^Simon^ | 2.3.2 and it says somthing about half installed |
| 05:04.58 | rking | tonsofpcs: you may have to apt-get install file, i don't know if it's default or what |
| 05:05.08 | Eonn_ | dpkg - I have the option of enroling in a Java Programming Course or Python - which one do you recommend |
| 05:05.22 | maher | ^Simon^: try dpkg -l base-files |
| 05:05.35 | atompngn | i810_audio did have a segfault and it hung shortly after |
| 05:05.42 | rking | Eonn_: java = more realistically lead to a job, python = lead to a job with people with better heads on shoulders |
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| 05:05.59 | sciron | atompngn> unchecking that module still produced a segfault/hang? |
| 05:06.05 | theturtle | Sarge is 3.x< -- ? |
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| 05:06.11 | sciron | 1 |
| 05:06.19 | Eonn_ | rking - yeah not really worried about the job, just wanted to ensure I was using my time the most productively |
| 05:06.19 | rixth | http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ Fromt that URL |
| 05:06.24 | ^Simon^ | thhalf installed shit and 3.1.2 |
| 05:06.24 | rixth | Wait, thats not the Perl manaul |
| 05:06.34 | ^Simon^ | the half installed shit and 3.1.2 |
| 05:06.50 | rking | Eonn_: there is no comparison between the productivity of a Java programmer and a python one |
| 05:07.21 | atompngn | I tried booting up from a rescue disk and edit the discover*.conf files to skip those modules. |
| 05:07.22 | Eonn_ | by productive I meant the most productive for me |
| 05:07.23 | maher | ^Simon^: you system doesn't seem to be very happy - what happens when you do apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:07.47 | atompngn | But it still attempted to load them for some reason. |
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| 05:08.12 | atompngn | btw, I am a converted slackware user, lol |
| 05:08.19 | sciron | atompngn> when you do an 'expert26' install method, and you uncheck the modules, I have never seen them be loaded, or attempted. that's from a netinst CD, however |
| 05:08.21 | theturtle | hrmm |
| 05:08.23 | maher | ^Simon^: don't actually uprade just see if it finds any errors |
| 05:08.24 | ^Simon^ | it givesmea 0 in each category |
| 05:08.33 | theturtle | 3.1r0a versus non-a ? what is that all about? |
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| 05:08.44 | bob2 | non-a is fucked |
| 05:08.45 | bob2 | use a |
| 05:08.48 | bob2 | kthxbye |
| 05:08.50 | ^Simon^ | then goes back to command |
| 05:08.51 | Eonn_ | rking - work with guys that recommend python, apparently it is more intuitive than java...but then again i wouldnt know. Havent learnt a language since 1986 |
| 05:09.04 | maher | ^Simon^: paste a sample line with a 0 |
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| 05:09.06 | atompngn | The build date on the .iso's are 20050607 |
| 05:09.09 | maher | ^Simon^: just one line |
| 05:09.14 | theturtle | non-a is "fucked" ? :D |
| 05:09.23 | ^Simon^ | maher im not onlinux for fucks sake lol |
| 05:09.28 | ^Simon^ | how can i copy itlol |
| 05:10.12 | ^Simon^ | this is my first linux expirience and it sucks lol |
| 05:10.22 | recall | back in the day, we didn't have this fancy middle-click ctrl-v stuff! |
| 05:10.22 | rking | Eonn_: Java: System.out.println("Hello, World\n");, python: print "Hello, world!\n" ...and it gets worse from there |
| 05:10.54 | bob2 | "lol" is not punctuation |
| 05:11.06 | bob2 | and it seems a little unlikely that you're actually laughing out loud |
| 05:11.08 | atompngn | Simon> My first linux experience 7 years ago, I only knew how to do a directory listing. |
| 05:11.23 | rking | bob2: he could be high |
| 05:11.24 | Eonn_ | rking - so what do you reckon. How would you spend your time? Java or Python? |
| 05:11.26 | maher | ^Simon^: if base-files failed to install correctly its amazing anything worked - try apt-get -f upgrade and see if it feels like fixing anything |
| 05:11.30 | atompngn | ...it gets better |
| 05:11.42 | rking | Eonn_: Python! =) |
| 05:11.44 | pipeline | Eonn_: How would you spend your time? Being beaten with a post, or fucked with a chainsaw? |
| 05:11.48 | rking | lol |
| 05:11.56 | rking | pipeline: ok, what lang do you prefer? |
| 05:12.48 | Eonn_ | pipeline - lol so you're not a fan of either? Are you a hardcore C++ user? |
| 05:12.51 | recall | I would not recommend putting a chainsaw anywhere near that area. |
| 05:13.06 | recall | posts, however, may be a request of some users. |
| 05:13.09 | pipeline | Eonn_: C++ is pain well beyond human comprehension. |
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| 05:13.44 | Eonn_ | pipeline: so whats your poison? |
| 05:13.47 | pipeline | rking, Eonn_: Java versus python? I'd take Java AND gouge my eyes out before touching python ever again. Good god what an awful language. That doesn't mean that Java is a lot of fun, but.... |
| 05:13.59 | pipeline | rking: Have you ever tried OO javascript? It's, uh, painful. |
| 05:14.01 | ^Simon^ | MAHER notice your pm |
| 05:14.06 | maher | ^Simon^: is linux currently booted? |
| 05:14.10 | ^Simon^ | yeah |
| 05:14.16 | ^Simon^ | i did it through the boot disk |
| 05:14.17 | maher | ^Simon^: can it talk to the network |
| 05:14.23 | ^Simon^ | because it wont boot theother way |
| 05:14.29 | rking | pipeline: that's pretty generic. i did full-time python, and, though i still fall int the perl camp, i wouldn't mind pythonning again |
| 05:14.29 | pipeline | Eonn_: I like lisp. I tolerate C#. Ruby is OK if speed is not an issue. (Of course, Ruby is still much, much, much faster than python...) |
| 05:14.34 | ^Simon^ | this is time#10 installing it today |
| 05:14.45 | ^Simon^ | yeah it can |
| 05:14.47 | pipeline | rking: Javascript is crippled in important ways. Enough said. |
| 05:14.53 | ^Simon^ | it updated ive downloaded the stuff |
| 05:14.58 | rking | pipeline: i know - i meant it insultingly. =) |
| 05:15.15 | maher | ^Simon^: you're booted to the boot disc? chroot into the main hd |
| 05:15.32 | ^Simon^ | ok so type chroot |
| 05:15.35 | ^Simon^ | ?? |
| 05:15.48 | pipeline | rking: You CAN do some pretty neat things with javascript. Surprisingly, it has something like closures. Accidents of design, I suppose. |
| 05:15.51 | maher | ^Simon^: hang on - when you say you booted to a boot disc what exactly did you do? |
| 05:15.56 | atompngn | chroot = Change Root |
| 05:16.06 | ^Simon^ | well the little floppy it had me make |
| 05:16.17 | ^Simon^ | i had to put that in |
| 05:16.26 | Eonn_ | rking,pipeline: well looks like a toss a coin. Although i must say i was leaning towards python |
| 05:16.29 | ^Simon^ | because other wise it wont start |
| 05:16.55 | pipeline | Eonn_: No matter what the task is, the odds are pretty good that Python is going to be a disastrously wrong choice. |
| 05:17.00 | atompngn | sciron> changed my apt sources from testing to stable. Did an apt upgrade for sec updates. Works like a charm. |
| 05:17.07 | pipeline | Eonn_: Plenty of languages out there. Why tie yourself to a boat anchor? |
| 05:17.12 | Eonn_ | pipeline: hmmmmm, maybe i take up golf? |
| 05:17.18 | atompngn | sciron> thanks |
| 05:17.25 | rking | Eonn_: please don't listen to him. he sounds like a kook. lisp? c#? yeesh |
| 05:17.26 | ^Simon^ | well the little floppy it had me make |
| 05:17.29 | ^Simon^ | i had to put that in |
| 05:17.30 | ^Simon^ | because other wise it wont start |
| 05:17.31 | pipeline | Eonn_: Never heard of it, but it's got to be better than the aforementioned. |
| 05:17.39 | pipeline | rking: I'm not sure whether you're kidding, and that disturbs me. |
| 05:17.54 | Eonn_ | pipleline: you know that game with the little white ball thats played outside |
| 05:18.02 | pipeline | Oh, that game for rich white men. |
| 05:18.08 | pipeline | Not my kind of thing. |
| 05:18.25 | ^Simon^ | wich game theres tons |
| 05:18.29 | maher | ^Simon^: there are many things wrong - if you do apt-get -f upgrade what happens |
| 05:18.30 | Eonn_ | pipeline: yeah probally too much sunlight |
| 05:18.57 | tonsofpcs | ^Simon^ - huh? |
| 05:18.59 | ^Simon^ | nothing other than it say 0 upgrades ect ect |
| 05:19.12 | rking | pipeline: i don't know what kind of work you do, it may be very different from what i do, but i could definitely get the job done in python. lisp is interesting in a way, but it's nowhere near as pragmatic as python/perl/ruby. C#??????????????????????????????????? |
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| 05:19.16 | ^Simon^ | nothing other than it say 0 upgrades ect ect |
| 05:19.16 | pipeline | Eonn_: That, or the part where it costs several times my annual income to be a member of a country club. |
| 05:19.23 | rking | do i even need to elaborate on all the ??'s after C#? |
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| 05:19.38 | ^Simon^ | nothing other than it say 0 upgrades ect ect |
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| 05:19.43 | maher | ^Simon^: well - lets see if we can get it to boot |
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| 05:19.48 | pipeline | rking: Don't knock it until you've tried it. And languages with working garbage collection are, by definition, more pragmatic than python. Python is not in the same class as perl and ruby. You see, the latter two aren't complete crap. |
| 05:19.49 | ^Simon^ | how |
| 05:19.54 | maher | ^Simon^: did you install grub? |
| 05:19.57 | ^Simon^ | how |
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| 05:20.16 | ^Simon^ | idk how man can we talk in pm im haveing trouble readign this crap |
| 05:20.17 | mepha | Whats the package name for mysql? |
| 05:20.24 | maher | ^Simon^: when you say it doesn't boot what does it do? |
| 05:20.25 | mepha | for apt-get |
| 05:20.27 | pipeline | rking: C# is like a new version of Java designed without backwards compatibility concerns. Same shit, different assholes, better smell. |
| 05:20.27 | Eonn_ | pipeline: you need to move to australia then. Membership is only $40 a year |
| 05:20.39 | incubii | the frontend for my companies inhouse trading software is developed using C# |
| 05:20.45 | maher | ^Simon^: if we talk here someone else can help you when i have to leave |
| 05:20.57 | ^Simon^ | it show mbr then down a line it shows letter li |
| 05:21.10 | concept10 | Anyone know how to modify QT/KDE settings while using GNOME? |
| 05:21.14 | sciron | mepha> dpkg -l | grep mysql |
| 05:21.19 | mepha | thanks |
| 05:21.27 | rking | pipeline: umm, no... C# is microsoft's complaint that their "J++" got shot down in the courts |
| 05:21.35 | ^Simon^ | it show mbr then down a line it shows letter li |
| 05:21.43 | mepha | Scrion: no results returned |
| 05:21.46 | maher | ^Simon^: are there any other os's on this machine you want to boot? |
| 05:22.04 | sciron | mepha> that's odd, lemme see |
| 05:22.08 | Eonn_ | brb |
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| 05:22.15 | ^Simon^ | no there isnt |
| 05:22.24 | ^Simon^ | ive fresh installed linux |
| 05:22.33 | pipeline | rking: J++ sucked, and still exists in the form of J#, and still sucks every bit as much. |
| 05:22.52 | pipeline | rking: C# is a different animal. Also, I've not tried the microsoft implementation. I'm pretty pleased with mono, really. |
| 05:22.54 | maher | ^Simon^: do you have files /vmlinuz and /initrd.img |
| 05:23.08 | pipeline | rking: I didn't believe mono was worth shit, either, until I tried it out of boredom. |
| 05:23.09 | ^Simon^ | maher idk |
| 05:23.10 | sciron | mepha> do you have synaptic? |
| 05:23.14 | ^Simon^ | whats is that lol |
| 05:23.18 | mepha | scrion: not that I know of |
| 05:23.25 | sciron | mepha> are you in a GUI? |
| 05:23.34 | mepha | scrion: no ssh only |
| 05:23.43 | sciron | mepha> i couldn't find them with dpkg either, hang on |
| 05:24.05 | mombof | anyone know of a ncurses ver of synaptic? or somthing similar |
| 05:24.05 | ^Simon^ | maher idk |
| 05:24.07 | ^Simon^ | whats is that lol |
| 05:24.10 | ^Simon^ | maher idk |
| 05:24.10 | ^Simon^ | whats is that lol |
| 05:24.29 | maher | ^Simon^: someone else will help you now... |
| 05:24.30 | liable | mombof: aptitude |
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| 05:24.52 | mombof | liable, aptitude scares me |
| 05:24.59 | mombof | :) |
| 05:25.01 | liable | hehe |
| 05:25.09 | ^Simon^ | who is that someo ne else |
| 05:25.12 | ^Simon^ | who is that someo ne else |
| 05:25.18 | mombof | no seriously it does |
| 05:25.20 | mombof | lol |
| 05:25.59 | joeytwiddle | er..what about dselect? |
| 05:27.20 | mombof | joeytwiddle, actually i need to spend some time with both of these i always skip past on netinstall, then add the packages i want later |
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| 05:28.11 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 05:29.50 | daffy-pkf | what packages do i need to use a mysql database and php? |
| 05:31.13 | concept10 | daffy-pkf, php4 php4-mysql mysql-server |
| 05:32.22 | daffy-pkf | concept10> thanks, is php5 ok? |
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| 05:34.07 | concept10 | daffy-pkf, I dont use php5 - check the package requirements for whatever you want to do. I dont use a version just because higher version number, its about requirements and stability for me. |
| 05:34.51 | daffy-pkf | concept10> ok |
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| 05:42.14 | daffy-pkf | what modules should apache load to use php? |
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| 05:43.22 | dondelelcaro | daffy-pkf: libphp4.a (or 3 or 5 depending) |
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| 05:44.05 | dondelelcaro | s/a/so |
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| 05:45.21 | daffy-pkf | dondelelcaro> ok thanks |
| 05:45.37 | daffy-pkf | seems it don't work with php4... strange |
| 05:45.58 | dondelelcaro | daffy-pkf: have you installed libapache-mod-php4? |
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| 05:46.19 | lgmx | hi, how do I re-install the bootloader in sarge? i've tried to boot 'rescue' but no luck.. also mounting /target outputs 'not found in /etc/fstab'. any ideas? |
| 05:46.36 | daffy-pkf | dondelelcaro> yes, but it works with 5, so nevermind |
| 05:46.57 | dondelelcaro | lgmx: either use the appropriate root option; run mount /dev/path/to/root/device /target; |
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| 05:47.20 | dondelelcaro | lgmx: then chroot and install your boot loader as appropriate. |
| 05:47.28 | xkuseme | anybody can tell me what rcS does |
| 05:47.51 | lgmx | dondelelcaro after I chroot, should I go back to the menu to install GRUB? |
| 05:47.53 | dondelelcaro | xkuseme: it's the Start runlevel; less /etc/inittab; and become enlightened. |
| 05:48.04 | dondelelcaro | lgmx: no, just run grub-install from your media. |
| 05:48.13 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you've installed grub; if not, install it. |
| 05:48.40 | lgmx | dondelelcaro okay, will try that. brb |
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| 05:49.11 | xkuseme | dondelelcaro: so how can i use it to add a program to startup |
| 05:49.39 | dondelelcaro | xkuseme: you don't. You add a script to /etc/init.d; then add symlinks to that script in the appropriate runlevels using update-rc.d |
| 05:49.46 | dondelelcaro | xkuseme: in the future, just ask your real question here. |
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| 05:50.07 | xkuseme | dondelelcaro: i wasn't sure if that is what it was |
| 05:50.18 | ciPrulZ | hello |
| 05:50.23 | ciPrulZ | need help please |
| 05:50.27 | dondelelcaro | xkuseme: that's fine; but by just asking the real question, we'll be able to help you faster. |
| 05:50.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell ciPrulZ -about ask |
| 05:50.46 | xkuseme | dondelelcaro: thanks, |
| 05:50.46 | ciPrulZ | from where can I install libtcl.so in Debian GNU/Linux 3.1? |
| 05:51.02 | xkuseme | dondelelcaro: but i still have to figure out how to write those scripts for init.d |
| 05:51.37 | yumeng | apt-cache search libtcl |
| 05:51.42 | dondelelcaro | ciPrulZ: install tcl8.4; or whatever is appropriate. |
| 05:51.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell ciPrulZ -about search |
| 05:52.30 | xkuseme | dondelelcaro: do you know where i can read up on how to do tis |
| 05:52.45 | dondelelcaro | xkuseme: what program do you want to start? |
| 05:52.55 | xkuseme | dondelelcaro: uberkey |
| 05:53.06 | ciPrulZ | [07:52] <ciPrulZ> find tcl8.4 |
| 05:53.06 | ciPrulZ | [07:52] <dpkg> Debian Package Listing of 'tcl8.4' (3): tcl8.4 ;; tcl8.4-dev ;; tcl8.4-doc. |
| 05:53.09 | ciPrulZ | and then? |
| 05:53.15 | ciPrulZ | I'm a new one, sorry |
| 05:53.25 | daedalus_ | xkuseme: use update-rc.d |
| 05:53.48 | daedalus_ | xkuseme, it has a man page |
| 05:54.01 | xkuseme | already reading it |
| 05:54.03 | xkuseme | thanks |
| 05:54.05 | daedalus_ | np |
| 05:54.41 | dondelelcaro | xkuseme: what does uberkey do? |
| 05:54.51 | xkuseme | dondelelcaro: keylog |
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| 05:55.11 | dondelelcaro | ugh. |
| 05:55.19 | dondelelcaro | you almost certainly don't want that running on your machine |
| 05:55.29 | xkuseme | why |
| 05:55.38 | landon| | hi guys. has anyonehere tried compiling a custom kern while using gcc-4.0 on unstable? |
| 05:55.49 | lgmx | dondelelcaro: now "~#: mount /dev/discs/disc1 /target" "says no such file or directory" |
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| 05:56.12 | lgmx | dondelelcaro: /target isn't in the root directory when I enter the shell? |
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| 05:57.49 | dondelelcaro | lgmx: so mkdir it |
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| 05:58.24 | dondelelcaro | lgmx: is this a new install or something? |
| 05:58.39 | shakparl | isn't there a param to tar to just view filenames but not extract them |
| 05:58.50 | dondelelcaro | shakparl: it's called tar. |
| 05:58.54 | dondelelcaro | shakparl: read about the t option |
| 05:59.01 | shakparl | the t option thx |
| 05:59.11 | lgmx | dondelelcaro: I'm dual booting and have accidentally overwritten the mbr. so i'm now trying to re-install GRUB |
| 05:59.33 | dondelelcaro | lgmx: ah, right then. |
| 06:00.14 | lgmx | dondelelcaro: so I enter VT2 and mkdir /target then mount the disk? |
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| 06:03.11 | ohad_ | is there a quick way to enable apmd to my kernel (2.6.11-686)? or activate it on boot? i am trying to get my laptop to go into suspend mode - it can do that now with acpi but i can't get the video card to start after suspend mode. i want to try apmd |
| 06:04.59 | ohad_ | anyone here? |
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| 06:07.54 | bob2 | please don't be obnoxious |
| 06:07.59 | bob2 | just load the apm module at boot |
| 06:08.05 | bob2 | after telling the kenrle acpi=pff |
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| 06:11.05 | ohad_ | bob2, sorry didn't mean to be obnoxious. just thought my wireless card was stuck. |
| 06:11.37 | landon| | hi guys. has anyone here tried compiling a custom kern while using gcc-4.0 on unstable? |
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| 06:15.01 | ohad_ | bob2, i forgot how to load the apm mod at boot (do i write apmd in /etc/modules?) - and where do i write acpi=off in grub? |
| 06:15.16 | ohad_ | sorry, i did it a long time ago |
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| 06:16.53 | lgmx | dondelelcaro: now mounting it in /target gives off another error: "block device required" |
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| 06:17.16 | bob2 | menu.lst seems pretty straight-forward |
| 06:17.33 | litage | when you run a cmd within a script, how do you grab the error msg if an error occurs? |
| 06:17.52 | zebalin | Can anyone explain why I can't reinstall grub from HD? |
| 06:17.53 | zebalin | root@kano1:/home/al# grub-install --recheck --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/sdb4 /dev/sda |
| 06:17.53 | zebalin | mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/sdb4/boot': No such file or directory |
| 06:17.55 | dondelelcaro | depends where the error message goes. |
| 06:18.38 | dondelelcaro | zebalin: quite simply because /mnt/sdb4/boot doesn't exist; you probably want to chroot into your real root diretory, and run grub-install there. |
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| 06:19.35 | litage | dondelelcaro: in a bash script, can one redirect stderr to a variable? or somehow store stderr in a variable? |
| 06:20.07 | zebalin | dondelelcaro: could I just log in to root in a virtual terminal? |
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| 06:20.36 | lgmx | dondelelcaro: both /dev/discs/disc0 and /dev/discs/disc1 are detected, but mount says they need to be a "block device"? |
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| 06:20.59 | dondelelcaro | lgmx: it'll be /dev/discs/disc0/part0 or something. |
| 06:21.19 | dondelelcaro | zebalin: just chroot into what ever is the real / filesystem. (presumably /mnt/sdb4) |
| 06:21.32 | cygar | litage: nopes, you could use a var and take it out to a file. like $ERR=/tmp/.err$$ and then in your cmd 2>$ERR |
| 06:21.50 | litage | cygar: that's the only way? |
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| 06:22.00 | lgmx | dondelelcaro: oh, alright |
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| 06:22.39 | dondelelcaro | litage: unless you direct stderr to stdout, yes. |
| 06:22.50 | litage | cygar: eg: `ls -T` requires another arg, `ls /asdf` doesn't exist, but both return 1, so i'd like to find out the error message |
| 06:23.07 | rixth | Grr. The New Zealand Debian mirror is down. Connection Refused. |
| 06:23.17 | litage | rixth: use the .au |
| 06:23.27 | litage | rixth: we're close enough =) |
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| 06:23.37 | cygar | litage: it shouldnt return 1 if it was executed ok. |
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| 06:24.03 | litage | cygar: try it: they both return 1: ls -T; echo $? ls /asefds; echo $? |
| 06:24.03 | rixth | litage, Yes but then I have to arse around with apt-update etc etc! I just want links! Oh well, I'll just use the web interface at packages.debian.org |
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| 06:24.49 | cygar | litage: yeap, got 1 and 0. [ supposing that /asefds exists ] |
| 06:25.07 | litage | cygar: i meant that /asefds doesn't exist =P |
| 06:26.00 | litage | cygar: if i redirect stderr to stdout, how would i store stdout in a variable? |
| 06:26.30 | zebalin | dondelelcaro: How do I chroot? I read man and don't quite understand? is it chroot /mnt/sdb4 ??? (sdb4 is my deb linux partition I'm in now.) |
| 06:26.36 | cygar | litage: you would not be able do differenciate between stdout and stderr if you do that. |
| 06:26.44 | dondelelcaro | zebalin: yes. |
| 06:26.57 | cygar | litage: i.e : /bin/ls 2>&1 [ redirect stderr to stdout ] |
| 06:27.18 | zebalin | what does chroot do? |
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| 06:27.50 | cygar | zebalin: changes the "root" [ not the user ] , |
| 06:28.08 | litage | cygar: right, but how would i grab stdout and put it in a variable? |
| 06:28.23 | zebalin | changes 'root' to what? |
| 06:29.25 | cygar | zebalin: i.e I've mounted in /mnt/ my real root of my disk since i can not log into it [ so i start with a mini-distro in ram ] and then i modify my lilo.conf but when i try to execute "lilo" it will try to find /etc/lilo.conf [ and not /mnt/hda1/etc/lilo.conf ] |
| 06:29.40 | cygar | So i chroot /mnt/hda1 to be the new "/" |
| 06:30.00 | cygar | It's used also to "secure" and restrict users to get out of the "chroot jail" |
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| 06:30.37 | cygar | litage: export VAR=/tmp/ll && echo "hola pepe" >$VAR |
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| 06:32.10 | cygar | zebalin: man chroot [ it's 3:31 am ] and there's a lot of documentation |
| 06:33.05 | zebalin | cygar: I'll have to take a look at it. very confusing and I don't want to screw things up. Thanks. |
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| 06:33.22 | cygar | zebalin: info coreutils chroot [ there's an example ] |
| 06:33.23 | premcm | hi all |
| 06:33.45 | premcm | i was looking for native 32-bit cross-compiler toolchain for x86_64 |
| 06:34.16 | premcm | the debianized toolchain-source is a compiletime error |
| 06:34.33 | cygar | good night |
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| 06:38.35 | ohad_ | bob2, the apm=on did not work. my problem is that acpi works but my video card will not start after suspend. any suggestions? |
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| 06:39.15 | bob2 | ohad_: er, you mean "acpi=off", right? |
| 06:39.30 | ohad_ | bob2, is it possible to re-apt-get my kernel with disabling acpi on my kernel's image and enable apm ? |
| 06:39.40 | ohad_ | bob2, yes. apm=on and acpi=off |
| 06:40.33 | ohad_ | bob2, boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro apm=on acpi=off |
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| 06:40.55 | ohad_ | bob2, well with a '/' at the beginning |
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| 06:41.34 | bob2 | ok |
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| 06:42.57 | ohad_ | bob2, is there a way to reinstall my kernel's image with setting certain paramters for apm and acpi when installing the kernel image? |
| 06:44.17 | bob2 | how would that help? |
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| 06:46.56 | ohad_ | bob2, well i read that one guy had problems with acpi and he modified his kernel to only have apmd and not both apm and acpi. he remove acpi from the kernel and kept only apm |
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| 06:47.22 | ohad_ | bob2, my only problem with acpi is that the video card does not start after suspend |
| 06:47.39 | litage | should a production box use "non-free" for its security repository?: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 06:48.12 | fee | anybody know a good program i can get for debian that tracks how much traffic goes to each network client for internet traffic? ? any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 06:48.42 | daedalus_ | define "each client" |
| 06:49.23 | fee | 192.168.0.2 -> 192.168.0.21 |
| 06:49.51 | fee | all sharing internet from 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:49.53 | fee | using squid proxy |
| 06:50.04 | yumeng | how to remove unuse modules on debian 3.1? |
| 06:50.17 | bob2 | ohad_: ok! |
| 06:50.28 | bob2 | ohad_: if you want to do what that ddude di, you will need to rebuild your kernel manually |
| 06:50.31 | bob2 | have fun |
| 06:50.41 | bob2 | and don't forget to file a bug about acpi not working |
| 06:50.48 | daedalus_ | uh, well, I suppose the poor man's method would be to set up an individual rule for each client in iptables (on the routing host) and then check in on the table periodically with iptables -L -v |
| 06:51.13 | daedalus_ | fee, But I'm sure there are better programs out there. I just don't know of one offhand |
| 06:51.30 | fee | dang |
| 06:51.35 | ohad_ | bob2, i was trying to get away from having to compile it manually... ok. i'll do that. thanks |
| 06:51.44 | bob2 | ohad_: well, you don't have to |
| 06:51.44 | fee | i need something that can keep monthly account of usage from each client |
| 06:51.52 | bob2 | you just need to find the correct options to disable acpi |
| 06:52.06 | bob2 | shorewall makes that simple |
| 06:52.13 | ohad_ | bob2, what do you mean? how would i get my suspend to work? |
| 06:52.26 | daedalus_ | bob2: what does shorewall have to do with acpi? |
| 06:52.41 | ohad_ | bob2, shorewall is a firewall no? |
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| 06:53.21 | bob2 | shorewall for fee |
| 06:53.32 | bob2 | ohad_: I mean "go find the correct boot optns to disable acpi" |
| 06:53.35 | daedalus_ | bob2, use direction please ;) |
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| 06:54.00 | daedalus_ | fee: Shorewall is essentially a iptables frontend, but you might find the interface easier. |
| 06:54.10 | d3s | I'm using pine and thinking to move to mutt. Can mutt search a text inside an email. just say that I have a directory of emails and looking for an email with word 'foo' inside. |
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| 06:54.32 | daedalus_ | fee: I can't believe there isn't a "connection administration" bundle out there that doesn't have a util for this though.... |
| 06:55.18 | daedalus_ | d3s: Dunno. Good question. I'm a pine guy, but I've become disenchanted with it's lack of searching capabilities. |
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| 06:57.02 | d3s | daedalus_: try spotlight :-) |
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| 06:57.57 | timo | d3s, you could use grepmail for that |
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| 06:59.02 | ohad_ | is there a way to modify on the .config file of my kernel and reboot to have the changes made? |
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| 06:59.33 | timo | ohad_, not without a recompile |
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| 06:59.54 | ohad_ | timo, what do i need to do afterwards? |
| 07:01.14 | d3s | timo: grepmail... good advice... googling |
| 07:01.24 | timo | d3s, apt-cache show grepmail |
| 07:01.46 | d3s | timo: it's available for pine.. grepine |
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| 07:02.01 | fee | shorewall is a firewall program.. not a access tracking program |
| 07:02.03 | timo | ohad_, you'd need to get the kernel-source package, modify it's .config file and recompile |
| 07:02.16 | ohad_ | i should be able to load those modules that are set as =m in the config file of my kernel with modprobe no? |
| 07:02.27 | timo | ohad_, yes |
| 07:03.32 | ohad_ | i have two things i have on my .config file that i want to modprobe - 1. CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=m and 2. CONFIG_ACPI_IBM=m -- why modprobe acpi_ibm does not work? |
| 07:04.51 | d3s | ohad_: I'm not sure about the name.. . you can try acpi_ibm.. or search for file named somthing with acpi |
| 07:05.12 | liable | ohad_: this is a stock kernel? try ibm-acpi. |
| 07:05.19 | ohad_ | d3s, i am looking at the .config file that is the name.. |
| 07:05.44 | blahdeblah | Hi - where's the best place to get some tips on analysing a compromised system that i think exploited a Drupal/PHP bug? |
| 07:06.01 | blahdeblah | s/exploited/was exploited by/ |
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| 07:06.49 | rixth | Whenever I use gEdit, it makes (what I think) are temp files, they are the name of the file followed by a ~ how can I stop it making them? |
| 07:06.51 | d3s | ohad_: that's not the name.. that the option for the kernel.. the module name is similar but _not_ the same |
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| 07:07.10 | mfrisch | rixth those are backups |
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| 07:07.39 | rixth | mfrisch, Yes, well, when U create a tarfile and upload to SourceForge, those backups often have databse info etc |
| 07:07.46 | rixth | Can I stop gEdit from making them? |
| 07:08.13 | timo | rixth, probably somewhere in gEdit's configuration you can |
| 07:08.17 | mfrisch | rixth its a option. |
| 07:09.07 | rixth | On the first tab too! |
| 07:09.09 | rixth | Okay, thanks |
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| 07:09.51 | mfrisch | rixth kate is better than gedit |
| 07:10.00 | rixth | "Nautilus can't be used now, due to an unexpected error." |
| 07:10.01 | rixth | Wtf? |
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| 07:10.08 | rixth | Nautilus can't be used now, due to an unexpected error from Bonobo when attempting to register the file manager view server. |
| 07:10.20 | pirre | anyone else having problems downloading xorg libs because of "Size mismatch" ? |
| 07:11.08 | mfrisch | pirre no |
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| 07:14.13 | |ryan| | ok |
| 07:14.17 | |ryan| | jigdo rocks |
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| 07:14.38 | |ryan| | I'm maxing out my 6mbit connection :) |
| 07:16.21 | |ryan| | are the debian CDs constructed so that less popular packages are on later CDs? |
| 07:16.31 | theturtle | eh i got 12mbit from ftp |
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| 07:17.22 | mfrisch | theturtle really...are you bridging together connections? |
| 07:19.06 | liable | |ryan|: yes |
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| 07:20.12 | |ryan| | liable: I'm burning CDs for a buddy on dialup, which CDs would you say are worth burning? |
| 07:20.36 | liable | |ryan|: first two should be sufficient. |
| 07:21.08 | |ryan| | ok. |
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| 07:24.36 | theturtle | burn the 2 disc dvd set |
| 07:24.37 | theturtle | :) |
| 07:24.45 | libertine | good news |
| 07:24.46 | tonsofpcs | 2 disc dvd box set? |
| 07:25.01 | theturtle | ya the developers cut |
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| 07:25.26 | ma3x | !kp |
| 07:25.26 | dpkg | methinks kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 07:26.02 | theturtle | well i mean if he's on dialup, you'll want him to have a complete package collection |
| 07:26.08 | theturtle | just incase he wants to install something |
| 07:26.30 | theturtle | he could easily end up having to download several mb's of deps if he doesn't have all the discs |
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| 07:30.51 | mepha | What can I use to backup my system? |
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| 07:34.24 | Eclipser | erm |
| 07:34.54 | Eclipser | gnomeicu doesn't work! it says that I should inform the package maintainter that he/she has forgotten to install some keys or something |
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| 07:35.09 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 07:35.11 | Eclipser | okay |
| 07:35.13 | Eclipser | that's funny |
| 07:35.17 | Eclipser | first time it said that |
| 07:35.19 | Eclipser | now it works |
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| 07:45.41 | patricius | Why can't I use for in Makefile? I've put commands: for FILE in *.eps; do echo $FILE; done and I have an error because I have ILE instead of variable $FILE. Does anyone know why? |
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| 07:46.50 | patricius | thx |
| 07:46.57 | patricius | $$FILE solves the problem |
| 07:46.57 | patricius | ;] |
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| 07:47.52 | woland_ | what size should i make images on my site for people with dialup? |
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| 07:49.06 | valdyn | woland_: 1kb? |
| 07:49.24 | woland_ | sorry, geometry |
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| 07:49.52 | GomoX | Hi |
| 07:49.57 | valdyn | woland_: geomatry isnt relatad directly to net link bandwidth. |
| 07:50.01 | valdyn | woland_: geometry isnt relatad directly to net link bandwidth. |
| 07:50.36 | GomoX | Is there a program I can use in order to log in to a website, and download a file? |
| 07:50.46 | valdyn | GomoX: curl or wget |
| 07:50.55 | Eclipser | but 1kilobits is way too low for any image anyway :) |
| 07:51.11 | GomoX | valdyn: i mean log in using a login form, not HTTP authentication, can they do that? |
| 07:51.38 | Eclipser | GomoX, well, use a webbrowser? |
| 07:51.57 | GomoX | Eclipser: that's actually a good idea |
| 07:52.01 | GomoX | o_O |
| 07:52.05 | Eclipser | *duh* |
| 07:52.10 | valdyn | GomoX: they cant. For a custom login web page, you will need a custom login tool however. |
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| 07:52.58 | GomoX | valdyn: well, it has to be able to send a POST request, grab the cookie, and then download a file, no software to do that? |
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| 07:54.46 | Eclipser | most logins like that don't check the cookie when you download a file though |
| 07:55.30 | GomoX | Eclipser: well, i could try that, but it's a dynamically generated database backup so |
| 07:55.36 | GomoX | I don't think so |
| 07:55.50 | GomoX | http://curl.haxx.se/mail/curlphp-2005-04/0047.html <- looks like curl can do what i want |
| 07:55.53 | GomoX | or something |
| 07:56.07 | valdyn | GomoX: man wget, it can POST, or man CURL, it can POST too. |
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| 08:00.29 | premcm | i was looking for native 32-bit cross-compiler toolchain for x86_64 |
| 08:00.34 | premcm | the debianized toolchain-source is a compiletime error |
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| 08:01.47 | rixth | How can I remove all the contents of a CVS root? |
| 08:01.51 | rixth | IE, what is the command |
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| 08:07.22 | GomoX | rixth: mmm you just delete the directories from the CVSROOT itself |
| 08:07.37 | rixth | GomoX, this is on SourceForge though |
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| 08:08.01 | GomoX | ftp? |
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| 08:21.14 | mepha | Anyone know of a program that can monitor bandwidth usage and log it to a file? |
| 08:21.22 | peterS | channel never sleeps / so they say who are not here / early Sunday morn |
| 08:21.57 | ma3x | is |
| 08:22.09 | ma3x | is Siemens Gigaset PCMCIA Card 54 Mbit/s5D well supported on debian? |
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| 08:22.16 | ma3x | i mean does it work at all? |
| 08:22.20 | peterS | this haiku brought to you by the somewhat unusual phenomenon of 13+ minutes of silence on #debian |
| 08:22.22 | libertine | finding a appliction's name,this appliction can adjust time automactly,look like ***date,help me |
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| 08:23.22 | peterS | libertine: ntpdate |
| 08:23.51 | Eclipser | um hum |
| 08:24.19 | Eclipser | how can I get lilo menu to show up everytime? currently it just sits for five seconds and continues unless I press caps lock |
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| 08:24.29 | Eclipser | with caps lock it shows the menu |
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| 08:24.57 | pulaski | hello |
| 08:25.16 | libertine | peterS:thx |
| 08:25.23 | Eclipser | !thx |
| 08:25.23 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 08:26.02 | Eclipser | :) |
| 08:26.04 | pulaski | I'm configuring my sarge to use an hp 722c printer and the pbmtoppa filter to lpr |
| 08:26.21 | liable | ma3x: find out what chipset it is, then google that. |
| 08:27.34 | pulaski | the pbmtoppa man page says I need To print Postscript on an HP PPA printer, just use Ghostscript with the |
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| 08:28.38 | pulaski | pbmraw or pbm device drivers |
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| 08:28.50 | RichardC | hey |
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| 08:29.12 | RichardC | i need help getting my pci modem to work on my ASUS K8N4-E Deluxe motheboard |
| 08:29.31 | RichardC | from what i can gather, i need to lock the PCI Bus to 33.3mhz, but i dont know how |
| 08:30.12 | pulaski | do i need to rebuild my kernel to obtain those drivers? "lsmod | grep 'pbmraw' " or "lsmod | grep "pbm" |
| 08:30.24 | pulaski | both come up blank |
| 08:30.35 | liable | RichardC: look in the bios/motherboard instructions. |
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| 08:31.44 | liable | pulaski: try modprobe -l |grep pbmraw |
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| 08:32.17 | pulaski | thank you liable |
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| 08:32.27 | liable | RichardC: please dont /msg without asking. |
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| 08:32.59 | RichardC | ..... |
| 08:33.02 | RichardC | ok |
| 08:33.14 | RichardC | i've already checked my manual, and i cant find anything about it |
| 08:34.41 | pulaski | ok liable it appears neither pbmraw or pbm turn up using modprobe. |
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| 08:35.35 | pulaski | These are device drivers. I beleive I need to upbrade my kernel from 2.4.27 |
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| 08:35.54 | liable | pulaski: um, are they actually kernel modules or printer drivers? can you apt-get them? |
| 08:36.33 | pulaski | well I thought they were kernel modules from the description. |
| 08:36.53 | pulaski | let me see if I can paraphrase it for ou liable |
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| 08:38.33 | pulaski | liable, It says to pringt postscript on an HP PPA printer, just use Ghostscript with the pbmraw or (pbm) device driver. |
| 08:40.21 | pulaski | I'm unsure of the differance between a printer driver kernel module. I thought kernel modules were where the myriad drivers lived. |
| 08:40.34 | pulaski | Liable? |
| 08:41.20 | pulaski | or to be more specivic, a device driver |
| 08:42.41 | liable | pulaski: yeah, nothing to do with kernel modules. I dont know anything about it though, keep googling :) try linuxprinting.org |
| 08:43.05 | pulaski | ok that's helpful liable thanks a lot. |
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| 08:43.42 | pulaski | good night to all. |
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| 08:48.55 | blablub-oLpH | hi |
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| 08:49.37 | blablub-oLpH | i need help, because i doesnt know which architecture i should download |
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| 08:53.12 | SammyTheSnake | blablub-oLpH: what machine do you have? |
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| 08:54.26 | blablub-oLpH | amd athlon fx 64 |
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| 08:56.02 | blablub-oLpH | can anybody help me? |
| 08:56.06 | positrix | blablub-oLpH: then you want the amd64 architecture |
| 08:56.10 | liable | !mmap |
| 08:56.10 | dpkg | i heard dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 08:57.30 | jim | blablub-oLpH: you can also use i386 arch |
| 08:58.08 | blablub-oLpH | where i can download the amd64 archi |
| 08:58.13 | blablub-oLpH | i only found the ia64 |
| 08:58.27 | highvoltage | GNU is cool. |
| 08:58.29 | blablub-oLpH | because i want to have a 64 bit system and not a 32 |
| 08:58.32 | liable | !amd-64 |
| 08:58.38 | blablub-oLpH | !amd-64 |
| 08:58.41 | liable | !amd64 |
| 08:58.41 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 08:59.00 | SammyTheSnake | thanks guys :-S |
| 08:59.08 | highvoltage | SammyTheSnake: aptitude is cool |
| 08:59.10 | happy_broccoli | is there any important diff b/t a sata raid and an ide one? |
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| 09:00.11 | Maakuth | i'm here at assembly 2005 in helsinki... microsoft is main sponsor |
| 09:01.03 | highvoltage | microsoft is not cool |
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| 09:01.07 | Maakuth | i've visited their booth practically every day telling about open source.. they gave me "ms premium pack" -dvd, visual studio 2005 beta2 |
| 09:01.13 | SammyTheSnake | what's wrong with apt-get for sarge, then? |
| 09:01.14 | Maakuth | and visual studio t-shirt |
| 09:01.29 | blablub-oLpH | thanks |
| 09:01.35 | SammyTheSnake | btw, changing the cache-limit seems to have worked... |
| 09:02.08 | Maakuth | first day they asked me if i've tested their tool already (they gave visual web developer beta2 to everyone), and i asked them if they knew how to install it in debian... |
| 09:03.08 | Maakuth | they didn't know the answer |
| 09:03.53 | positrix | Maakuth: part of their business model is to buy the competition. they were probably trying to "buy" you by giving you stuff. |
| 09:03.56 | SammyTheSnake | maakuth: try using wine / mono :p |
| 09:04.04 | Maakuth | SammyTheSnake, i should |
| 09:04.08 | highvoltage | mono is not cool |
| 09:04.10 | Maakuth | positrix, i know that |
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| 09:05.24 | Maakuth | i gave them present with message "open source community thanks you for your enlighting presence in assembly" |
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| 09:05.51 | Ick | hello, i have a problem: /dev/sda1 has vanished. it was there last week. |
| 09:06.03 | positrix | Maakuth: i worked out that you can actually make a living from bashing microsoft, and flogging their stuff on ebay. |
| 09:06.19 | Maakuth | damn right.. i should |
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| 09:09.02 | liable | SammyTheSnake: exactly like apt-get, aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 09:09.36 | liable | SammyTheSnake: you can use in on command line exactly like apt, no need to run the ncurses bit. |
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| 09:09.55 | SammyTheSnake | liable: ah, that's the bunny :p |
| 09:10.05 | SammyTheSnake | liable: still, it'd be nice to know the UI too... |
| 09:10.22 | liable | yeah. keep playing then :) |
| 09:10.29 | Ick | does anybody know why /dev/sda1 would vanish? |
| 09:10.34 | Ick | it doesn't show up at all |
| 09:10.43 | Ick | and when i connect my digital camera, i get nothing |
| 09:11.01 | streuner_ | Ick: usb-storage camera? |
| 09:11.01 | happy_broccoli | is there an svn based sorceforge-like deal ? |
| 09:11.02 | liable | Ick: whats dmesg say? |
| 09:12.08 | streuner_ | Ick: you see the camera with 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi'? |
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| 09:12.31 | Ick | cat: /proc/scsi/scsi: No such file or directory |
| 09:12.41 | Ick | liable: what do i look for in dmesg? |
| 09:12.45 | streuner_ | Ick: ok, mount ide-scsi |
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| 09:13.03 | streuner_ | Ick: ist ide-scsi loaded as module? |
| 09:13.27 | liable | Ick: for your camera to be detected and put on /dev/sd* |
| 09:14.06 | cahoot | not sd_mod? |
| 09:14.38 | streuner_ | no |
| 09:14.42 | Ick | i ran "dmesg | grep /dev/s" and it returned nothing |
| 09:15.29 | Ick | i'll play around with /etc/fstab |
| 09:15.32 | streuner_ | Ick: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 09:15.49 | Ick | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30JST 2005 |
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| 09:16.00 | liable | Ick: just plug it in, and tail dmesg |
| 09:16.12 | streuner_ | Ick: might be that your camera has no usb-storage... |
| 09:16.29 | streuner_ | Ick: in this case just use 'gphoto2' |
| 09:16.34 | streuner_ | !info gphoto2 |
| 09:16.37 | dpkg | gphoto2: (The gphoto2 digital camera command-line client), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.1.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 804 kB |
| 09:16.58 | streuner_ | Ick: gphoto2 --list-files |
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| 09:18.19 | Ick | ah |
| 09:18.21 | Ick | i have it working |
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| 09:18.45 | streuner_ | !congratulate Ick |
| 09:18.47 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies Ick, you did it! |
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| 09:20.57 | litage | when removing a pkg, how do you tell apt to also remove the config files?a |
| 09:21.28 | streuner_ | litage: man apt-get (dpkg), look for option 'purge' |
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| 09:22.10 | litage | thanks streuner |
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| 09:24.24 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 09:24.32 | positrix | amorphix: hi |
| 09:25.11 | amorphix | can anyone help with a network problem im having? basically my dev is experiencing errors during NFS large file transfers |
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| 09:25.38 | amorphix | kernel is not happy |
| 09:25.48 | billions | how do i install a pcf font? |
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| 09:27.43 | Deep | úÄÒÁ×ÓÔ×ÕÊÔÅ ÎÁÒÏÄ! |
| 09:28.23 | liable | !ru |
| 09:28.23 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 09:28.32 | streuner_ | Deep: cyrillic chars is a bad idea here... |
| 09:28.54 | Deep | ok |
| 09:29.14 | amorphix | is it a bad idea to have your home folder on a nfs? |
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| 09:30.24 | drac | amorphix: no, as in i've runned whole root / in NFS from time to time. |
| 09:30.29 | jelly | amorphix: I had that in college on Solaris, a nice way to get the same $HOME on many machines |
| 09:30.31 | amorphix | cool |
| 09:30.36 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: not really; there are often better ways of doing things though. |
| 09:30.54 | dondelelcaro | (things like your home directory in a VCS) |
| 09:30.55 | amorphix | yes i find it very good to use a shared home on my network so i can see all my files and data whereever i am |
| 09:31.03 | amorphix | oh |
| 09:31.26 | amorphix | my setup works fine except for on my laptop which seems to have a problem with large files and just freezes up |
| 09:32.02 | dondelelcaro | heh; a laptop which you actually plan on using as a laptop is almost the perfect case for your home directory in a VCS |
| 09:32.06 | amorphix | omnibook kernel: nfs: server 192.168.0.3 not responding, still trying <-- syslog is full of these |
| 09:32.21 | amorphix | why? |
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| 09:32.56 | litage | why does "apt-get --simulate --yes --purge `cat packages.txt | xargs`" fail with "E: Invalid operation gdb"? (packages.txt has 1 pkg per line, and "gdb" is on line 1) |
| 09:32.59 | jelly | VCS? |
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| 09:33.23 | dondelelcaro | litage: uh, that's not a command you want to run at all. |
| 09:33.32 | dondelelcaro | litage: use xargs properly. |
| 09:34.00 | dondelelcaro | litage: and yes, that's the proper error message because gdb is not a valid operation; a valid operation is something like "install" |
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| 09:34.51 | jelly | litage: for a stupid answer, just remove "| xargs" from the line |
| 09:35.04 | amorphix | im seeing a network collision LED flashing on my HUB whenever i access large files via laptop |
| 09:35.04 | amorphix | thats not a good sign |
| 09:35.06 | dondelelcaro | jelly: versioning control system |
| 09:35.18 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: time to get a switch |
| 09:35.47 | amorphix | could the hub be the problem? |
| 09:36.39 | amorphix | is there a paste bin? ive just played an mp3 via nfs and got the full error now from syslog |
| 09:36.46 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 09:36.46 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 09:36.52 | amorphix | thanks |
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| 09:37.13 | litage | that's strange that you have to use "--purge" AND "remove", cuz the apt-get manpage specifically says "Use purge instead of remove" |
| 09:37.15 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: unlikely, but it is a possibility; packets are being dropped at some point, and that's causing the machine not to be able to contact the server |
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| 09:37.48 | paster | "amorphix" at 82.37.56.220 pasted "nfs failure error from syslog" (26 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/423 |
| 09:38.16 | dondelelcaro | litage: yes, that's the command that it uses with dpkg; it purges the package instead of merely removing them. It has nothing to do with apt-get options. |
| 09:38.20 | amorphix | its unlikely yes, because my workstations work fine even with large files |
| 09:38.37 | djtansey | hello. i am using sarge as my primary mail server. I would like to set up one email address to forward to an external (gmail) account. /etc/aliases seems to only work when you are forwarding to other users on your system. How do you set up this kind of forwarding? |
| 09:39.06 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: hrm... that almost looks like there's a bug in the driver for your interface (or the interface is really crappy) |
| 09:39.14 | amorphix | phew |
| 09:39.30 | amorphix | ive been seeing some threads for 3com devices in same range saying this on Google |
| 09:39.37 | litage | dondelelcaro: the manpage doesn't say that though |
| 09:40.01 | dondelelcaro | litage: that's what the manpage means. |
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| 09:40.20 | amorphix | that dev is my onboard 3com on laptop, which is a HP Omnibook |
| 09:40.32 | litage | dondelelcaro: how is one supposed to know that, considering the wording though? |
| 09:41.06 | Phated | Perhaps apt needs the command purge instead of remove --purge. :) |
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| 09:41.12 | amorphix | if its a driver issue whats the best way to proceed? |
| 09:41.31 | dondelelcaro | litage: because --purge is an options; and remove is a command. If you read the synopsis it's fairly clear. |
| 09:42.06 | litage | dondelelcaro: i think it's up to interpretation because it says "Use purge instead of remove" :) |
| 09:42.13 | dondelelcaro | litage: *shrug* |
| 09:42.51 | amorphix | djtansey: aliases will forward to other systems |
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| 09:44.07 | amorphix | maybe i should be using a PCMCIA ethernet card |
| 09:44.29 | litage | i specified --yes for `apt-get --purge remove`, yet it still asked me this: "Do you want to remove /var/spool/lpd?" why wouldn't it automatically say yes? |
| 09:44.30 | Rangitoto | I am installing debian on a computer which is in a peer to peer LAN. What does "Host name" mean? I used the default "debian". |
| 09:44.48 | amorphix | hostname is name of machine |
| 09:44.51 | litage | Rangitoto: that's the name of your machien |
| 09:45.19 | jim | Rangitoto: do you have an ip for that machine that has a hostname assigned to it? |
| 09:46.17 | amorphix | ive found my ring under my bed, its been lost for 3 months im so happy :D |
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| 09:46.50 | Rangitoto | I gave the machine a unique IP address which differed from that of the other computers in the network only in the last of the four parts (after the last dot). |
| 09:47.17 | jim | so, is there a dns that assigns names to all your ips? |
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| 09:47.21 | kl4 | hi |
| 09:47.25 | amorphix | hi |
| 09:47.32 | jim | y |
| 09:47.44 | kl4 | any one knows how can i see how many user i have on terminal? |
| 09:47.49 | jim | pi |
| 09:47.52 | amorphix | who |
| 09:48.08 | kl4 | i mean in total |
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| 09:48.10 | dondelelcaro | or users|wc -w |
| 09:48.13 | amorphix | oh |
| 09:48.22 | kl4 | oh ok =) |
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| 09:48.54 | kl4 | but there is only online users |
| 09:48.55 | Rangitoto | When I set up the router I was told to use 192.168.1.1 for it. The IP addresses of the individual computers differ only in the last of those four numbers. |
| 09:48.58 | toonX | how can i change my login manager from kdm to gdm ? |
| 09:49.01 | amorphix | sid is in a bad state |
| 09:49.08 | toonX | i mean i want gdm to start not kdm |
| 09:49.11 | jim | so don't run sid |
| 09:49.26 | xophEr | On an amd64-system, which arch would you recommend me to install; i386 or amd64? |
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| 09:49.33 | kl4 | toonX uninstall kdm |
| 09:49.36 | amorphix | im running sid on my server |
| 09:49.41 | jim | xophEr: either will work |
| 09:49.43 | tarzeau | xophEr: amd64 of course |
| 09:49.43 | amorphix | but not by choice |
| 09:49.54 | toonX | kl4 k thanks |
| 09:49.54 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: did someone stick a gun to your head or something? |
| 09:49.59 | jim | not by choice? what do you mean? |
| 09:49.59 | kl4 | ok =) |
| 09:50.01 | xophEr | tarzeau, but compatibility wise? |
| 09:50.02 | amorphix | haha |
| 09:50.09 | amorphix | not quite |
| 09:50.17 | tarzeau | xophEr: no idea, we've got two of those at werk with i386 |
| 09:50.17 | xophEr | It seems like I cant get anything to work on this :) |
| 09:50.27 | jim | dondelelcaro: obviously, that's exactly what happened :P |
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| 09:50.38 | Phated | i386 works. |
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| 09:50.59 | kl4 | any one knows how can i see all the uers i have registed on the terminal? |
| 09:51.00 | tarzeau | amorphix: a friend installed it? |
| 09:51.06 | tarzeau | kl4: ls /home ? |
| 09:51.06 | amorphix | i have lots of stuff on hold and i wont need to do kernel upgrade anytime soon |
| 09:51.11 | amorphix | i should be able to ride it out |
| 09:51.13 | xophEr | I think Ill revert back to i386 for a while then.. amd64 is still too ..nicompatible :) |
| 09:51.19 | kl4 | tarzeau ok |
| 09:51.34 | jim | it seems like people buy hardware without checking out what they're going to run on it... and amd64 is supposed to be -expensive- |
| 09:52.41 | jim | buy something like that, it sets you back like 5 thousand dollars, and still haven't checked compatibility... |
| 09:53.00 | jim | come ON folks! you can be smarter than that |
| 09:53.13 | Phated | Stop ranting, you're wasting bandwidth. |
| 09:53.17 | amorphix | i find it annoying that im going to have to use a pcmcia net card when i have onboard net |
| 09:53.32 | jim | why pcmcia? |
| 09:53.34 | Phated | 3com? 3com is supported. |
| 09:53.52 | jim | this is a laptop? |
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| 09:54.01 | amorphix | my onboard just isnt working reliably, i dont know if its the driver or the dev itself |
| 09:54.12 | amorphix | but it just wont handle large file transfers via nfs |
| 09:54.14 | kl4 | any one knows how to delete a user on terminal? |
| 09:54.24 | Crasp | userdel |
| 09:54.27 | dondelelcaro | kl4: use slay or kill off their login process. |
| 09:54.31 | amorphix | yes a hp omnibook |
| 09:54.31 | jim | Phated: but that's important... maybe he lucked out if it's going to work... but what if it went the other way? |
| 09:54.48 | Phated | Eh? |
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| 09:54.58 | jim | follow the conversation :P |
| 09:55.02 | amorphix | 3com is generally ok ive used alot of those |
| 09:55.06 | kl4 | dondelelcaro ok |
| 09:55.19 | paster | "amorphix" at 82.37.56.220 pasted "nfs failure error from syslog" (26 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/424 |
| 09:55.43 | amorphix | if anyone wants to have a butchers at this and see if they can spot anything i'd appreciate it |
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| 09:56.29 | amorphix | ive seen similiar errors reported for all the major dists and no easy solution, most people conclude its a driver issue |
| 09:56.41 | amorphix | seems to be 3com devices |
| 09:57.21 | liable | amorphix: different kernels same thing? |
| 09:57.28 | amorphix | yes |
| 09:57.53 | amorphix | same kernels on all boxes |
| 09:58.00 | amorphix | 2.6.11-1 |
| 09:58.43 | amorphix | this problem is only on laptop and the other machines i use are fine for large file transfers via nfs |
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| 09:59.26 | amorphix | ive noticed during large file transfers the network error/collision led starts flashing on hub when im on laptop, this could just be to signal a network failure tho eh |
| 09:59.38 | jim | amorphix: list all the kernels by their package name and version (if they're debian packages) and version and patches applied otherwise |
| 09:59.54 | jim | where you have tried that kernel |
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| 10:00.53 | amorphix | no patches have been applied, and the kernel is 2.6.11.-1-686 on all machines, nfs server is running unstable, and laptop and other machines all running testing |
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| 10:01.09 | amorphix | no kernel patches applied, running kernel-image on all machines |
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| 10:01.27 | jim | so when liable asked you "different kernel same thing", your "yes" was to a different question? :) |
| 10:01.35 | amorphix | sorry i misread |
| 10:01.41 | jim | ok |
| 10:01.58 | jim | so does your ethernet card otherwise work? |
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| 10:02.46 | amorphix | yeah it works fine, no problems at all until you try to access a big file via nfs.. mp3 file will pause during playback a couple of times, but a movie file will just lockup sys every 3 seconds |
| 10:03.03 | jim | what about a small file? |
| 10:03.09 | amorphix | small files are ok |
| 10:03.16 | amorphix | no error led on hub either |
| 10:03.26 | jim | ok, so this problem is -definitely- not your card |
| 10:03.32 | amorphix | phew |
| 10:03.36 | jim | your card works fine |
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| 10:03.51 | amorphix | i thought perhaps it could be nfs misconfiguration |
| 10:04.05 | amorphix | but its the same config as on my workstations and they work fine |
| 10:04.36 | jim | misconfiguration? maybe, but you're trying to do realtime video streaming over a technology that never even -met- real-time -anything- |
| 10:04.46 | yahh | who has this - Sony DSC-S40 ? |
| 10:04.48 | amorphix | ah |
| 10:04.53 | jim | !poll |
| 10:04.53 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 10:04.57 | Rangitoto | I am installing debian and I am wondering what the select at the "Configuring Exim v4" menu. The computer concerned is part of a peer to peer LAN with the computers connected to the Internet via a router connected to the hub. |
| 10:05.00 | amorphix | but it works on my workstation |
| 10:05.10 | kl4 | anyone knows how can i add a user in sudoers? |
| 10:05.28 | jim | visudo? |
| 10:05.32 | jim | that might be it |
| 10:05.55 | amorphix | i wasnt aware nfs had any such limitations with the type of files you can access |
| 10:06.17 | jim | amorphix: it's not the type, it's that you're streaming it (probably) |
| 10:06.25 | amorphix | oh |
| 10:06.35 | kl4 | anyone knows how can i add a user in sudoers? |
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| 10:06.54 | litage | kl4: `visduo` |
| 10:06.54 | amorphix | apart from copying the file locally whats the solution? |
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| 10:07.05 | jim | nfs implements a moreorless random access capability (you should be able to seek/tell just like local files) |
| 10:07.08 | kl4 | litage ok |
| 10:07.26 | amorphix | yes |
| 10:07.49 | amorphix | i still dont understand why this works fine on my workstations tho |
| 10:07.57 | kl4 | litage bash: visduo: command not found |
| 10:08.04 | jim | Rangitoto: if you're not sure, leave it unconfigured or set to local only and reconfigure it later (write that down so you remember to do it) |
| 10:08.28 | jim | what's the difference in the cards? |
| 10:08.40 | amorphix | well those are real workstations with scsi controller |
| 10:08.43 | jim | btw, do you seem to have one or two net cards? |
| 10:08.50 | amorphix | maybe the laptop just cant handle it? |
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| 10:09.04 | jim | if it's a recent laptop, I doubt that |
| 10:09.18 | amorphix | its a pretty decent one, but the hdd isnt so fast |
| 10:09.23 | amorphix | hp omnibook 6000 |
| 10:09.36 | amorphix | P3-600 |
| 10:10.03 | jim | so it's at least once-removed from curr |
| 10:10.10 | amorphix | jim: net cards in laptop you mean? |
| 10:10.14 | jim | yes |
| 10:10.20 | amorphix | only one |
| 10:10.30 | jim | what is the card exactly? |
| 10:10.33 | kl4 | any one knows the command to add a user in to the sudoers? |
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| 10:10.42 | jim | man visudo |
| 10:10.49 | jim | man vi or man nvi |
| 10:11.12 | kl4 | ok |
| 10:11.12 | litage | kl4: i told you how to edit the sudoers file. read the manpage or a doc for visudo/sudo if you don't know how to edit the file |
| 10:11.34 | s|mon | i run sid, and want to install mysql-server, but this results in unmet dependencies because of libmysqlclient14 and mysql-common-4.1, is this a temporary problem in unstable or am i doing something wrong ? |
| 10:11.44 | amorphix | jim: 3com 3c556 Hurricane CardBus (cyclone) (ethernet) |
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| 10:11.54 | ma3x | how can i wipe free space? |
| 10:12.01 | jim | amorphix: so it's a pcmcia card |
| 10:12.15 | nkuttler | s|mon: temporary, welcome to unstable |
| 10:12.17 | amorphix | no its onboard or internal |
| 10:12.24 | nkuttler | ma3x: rm -f ? |
| 10:12.25 | amorphix | pcmcia slots are free |
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| 10:12.38 | s|mon | ok thx, i didn't find anything in forums or bugs, maybe to dubm to search again ;) |
| 10:12.43 | jim | ma3x: make a big file, write to it, make it bigger till it can't get no bigger no more, then delete it |
| 10:12.45 | ma3x | nkuttler : that just markes the files as deleted, it doesn't wipe them |
| 10:13.13 | ma3x | jim that's what i need, isnt there any tool? |
| 10:13.27 | ma3x | if i start adding text to a file, it would take me 1 year |
| 10:13.32 | jim | of course there is. it's called the bash shell/ |
| 10:13.38 | amorphix | hehe |
| 10:14.01 | ma3x | example? |
| 10:14.03 | jim | and just for the record, you should start learning it at some point |
| 10:14.16 | jim | examples are in info bash |
| 10:14.18 | nkuttler | ma3x: why do you even want to do that? you could use dd |
| 10:14.19 | jim | read up |
| 10:14.38 | ma3x | so the point is copy files?? |
| 10:14.57 | ma3x | you don't understand me! i want to random generate files |
| 10:15.01 | ma3x | with glifs |
| 10:15.04 | jim | you don't have to copy them, you can use /dev/zero or /dev/random or something |
| 10:15.09 | Phated | dd if=/dev/urandom? |
| 10:15.37 | jim | you said "how do I wipe free space" |
| 10:15.41 | ma3x | ok let's say i want to make 1 GB random file |
| 10:15.48 | jim | I gave you a way... |
| 10:15.49 | Phated | man dd. |
| 10:15.55 | ma3x | how do i do it |
| 10:15.56 | ma3x | jim, that's how you wipe it, you fill it with random bshit! |
| 10:15.56 | jim | a primitive way, but a way :) |
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| 10:16.29 | amorphix | jim: the card is a mini-pci card running at 10/100 |
| 10:16.44 | ma3x | aren't there examples of dd? |
| 10:16.50 | jim | ma3x, you're gonna have to learn someday... howbot today |
| 10:16.53 | Phated | In the manpage? |
| 10:16.57 | nkuttler | ma3x: google.com |
| 10:17.03 | ma3x | there aren't any |
| 10:17.11 | ma3x | those options tell me absolutely nothing! |
| 10:17.12 | Phated | Dunno, maybe it doesn't have an examples section, but it certainly EXPLAINS HOW TO USE IT. |
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| 10:17.27 | jim | ma3x: then you have A LOT to learn. |
| 10:17.32 | ma3x | whereis the synopsis |
| 10:17.43 | jim | first thing after the name |
| 10:17.50 | landon| | hi guys, are any of you using nvidia with xorg atm? |
| 10:17.53 | ma3x | it says only options |
| 10:17.55 | landon| | or simply xfree? |
| 10:17.59 | ma3x | and whereis the option for the output file? |
| 10:18.07 | nkuttler | !troll |
| 10:18.07 | dpkg | well, troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html |
| 10:18.08 | jim | it's in there |
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| 10:18.40 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.41 | jim | I've helped you already, given you canned ways to do stuff. it's YOUR TURH |
| 10:18.45 | ma3x | what the hell is stdout? |
| 10:18.52 | landon| | the display |
| 10:18.54 | jim | find out :) |
| 10:18.54 | landon| | what u see |
| 10:18.59 | Phated | Standard output. |
| 10:19.02 | landon| | standard output |
| 10:19.02 | jim | well it's deeper than that |
| 10:19.16 | jim | it's not necessarily what you see |
| 10:19.27 | landon| | so i changed my response |
| 10:19.28 | amorphix | well my 3com pci net dev seems to be well supported in Linux and i cant see any issues, jim was right its not likely to be the card thats acting up |
| 10:19.31 | ma3x | jim you've become a big philosopher! |
| 10:19.32 | landon| | :) |
| 10:19.33 | ma3x | i hate that |
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| 10:19.55 | jim | ma3x: deal wit it :P |
| 10:19.58 | nkuttler | ma3x: google "what is stdout" ... |
| 10:20.06 | ma3x | and what's that bloody word troll |
| 10:20.11 | amorphix | uses the 3c59x driver |
| 10:20.22 | ma3x | im since 10 years on irc, and i see that word becomes modern |
| 10:20.31 | ma3x | it's in fashion since 1 year |
| 10:20.40 | amorphix | troll is someone who comes on irc to wind up people |
| 10:20.54 | Phated | 10 years, and you haven't mastered grammar. |
| 10:20.55 | jim | sorry, you can't be around 10 years and not know "troll" |
| 10:20.59 | jim | that's just out :) |
| 10:21.05 | ma3x | i really don't |
| 10:21.13 | amorphix | hehe |
| 10:21.13 | ma3x | it was not used before |
| 10:21.17 | ma3x | at least not that often |
| 10:21.22 | ma3x | i dunnno from where did the people copy it |
| 10:21.26 | ma3x | harry potter? |
| 10:21.26 | jim | then you can't possibly have been around irc for 10 years |
| 10:21.31 | ma3x | i am! |
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| 10:21.40 | jim | then you know what a troll is |
| 10:21.42 | amorphix | the troll lived under the bridge originally |
| 10:21.43 | nkuttler | ma3x: you don't seem to know much, work on that |
| 10:21.43 | ma3x | well i made a break for 2-3 years |
| 10:21.54 | amorphix | he would jump out and frightened people as they passed |
| 10:21.57 | ma3x | nkuttler like you know everything |
| 10:22.06 | ma3x | there's nothing odd in learning what one does not know |
| 10:22.07 | nkuttler | ma3x: i know how to find information |
| 10:22.14 | landon| | yyeah, the whole troll concept originated from the first novel by J.K.Rowling |
| 10:22.21 | cahoot | huh? |
| 10:22.22 | ma3x | that's right! |
| 10:22.25 | amorphix | read some childrens story books, you missed your childhood :P |
| 10:22.26 | landon| | ... |
| 10:22.28 | ma3x | i agree there landon| |
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| 10:22.50 | landon| | replace "wand" with "wang" in any Harry Potter novel for an even better reading experience |
| 10:22.53 | Phated | Actually, it might have been from the Billy Goats Gruff. |
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| 10:22.59 | jim | maybe not, but either you know what a troll is (or know it by some other name, language-dependent) or else you can't possibly have been around 10 years |
| 10:23.10 | alexis_ | hi people |
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| 10:23.12 | ma3x | heh, does childhood mean watching hollywood movies to you? |
| 10:23.18 | ma3x | or english ones, whatever |
| 10:23.22 | landon| | disney movies, yes |
| 10:23.30 | landon| | that made up a huge chunk of my childhood |
| 10:23.32 | alexis_ | does anybody know what repositories do i have to add |
| 10:23.36 | alexis_ | to sources.list |
| 10:23.44 | alexis_ | in order to install gnome 2.10 ? |
| 10:23.44 | cahoot | landon|: webster described it 1913 - traditional mythicgure in among others swedish lore |
| 10:23.45 | nkuttler | alexis_: to do what? |
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| 10:23.51 | jim | alexis_: any ones you want :) |
| 10:23.51 | Phated | Ehm, what the hell? BGG was a book. Y'know. |
| 10:24.00 | jim | I remember that book |
| 10:24.02 | landon| | cahoot: yeah, i was kiddig ;) |
| 10:24.05 | jim | well the title |
| 10:24.13 | nkuttler | alexis_: on sarge? |
| 10:24.13 | amorphix | all the good movies came after the books! |
| 10:24.15 | cahoot | landon|: got me |
| 10:24.35 | alexis_ | nkuttles : yes i'm using sarge |
| 10:24.36 | landon| | neverending story part 1 |
| 10:24.45 | landon| | yay! falcor! |
| 10:24.52 | amorphix | sheesh kids of today |
| 10:25.02 | amorphix | cant even read half of em |
| 10:25.15 | landon| | besides the harry potter freaks |
| 10:25.32 | nkuttler | alexis_: check backports.org |
| 10:25.33 | ma3x | noun: a fisherman's lure that is used in trolling (Example: "He used a spinner as his troll") |
| 10:25.43 | ma3x | so it's like bate? |
| 10:25.49 | landon| | kathy bates |
| 10:25.53 | amorphix | hehe |
| 10:25.59 | landon| | she's a troll |
| 10:26.05 | amorphix | troll is something you want to step on |
| 10:26.12 | ma3x | damn english |
| 10:26.15 | amorphix | its annoying and ugly |
| 10:26.23 | ma3x | you lookup one word, and the definition gives you 3 more new words |
| 10:26.26 | jim | anyways, what you know or don't know notwithstanding there, ma3x, you do have a lot to learn... you might as well start now |
| 10:26.36 | ma3x | isn't that foreign language? |
| 10:26.50 | ma3x | jim start where? |
| 10:26.52 | alexis_ | thnx nkuttler |
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| 10:27.31 | ma3x | jim maybe i don't want to learn something i don't want to learn |
| 10:27.32 | jim | poke around your system with cd, ls, file, more, man |
| 10:27.43 | amorphix | gremlin in the works |
| 10:27.50 | jim | you shouldn't have installed linux in that case :) |
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| 10:27.56 | omi | Is it documented somewhere how debian compiles kernel packages? |
| 10:28.09 | jim | omi: you can do it too |
| 10:28.10 | omi | I cannot get custom kernel to boot LVM root |
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| 10:28.15 | nkuttler | omi: /msg dpkg kp |
| 10:28.15 | omi | I kno kpkg |
| 10:28.21 | ma3x | jim,why not? is linux only for those who want to learn anything? |
| 10:28.22 | jim | ok, good,,, |
| 10:28.23 | omi | thats not what I'm asking though |
| 10:28.32 | amorphix | learning is good, if nothing else it exercises your brain and stops it shrinking |
| 10:28.36 | jim | ma3x: pretty much |
| 10:28.49 | cahoot | ma3x: obviously if they mean to manage it |
| 10:28.58 | omi | I'm getting a feeling they also play around with things |
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| 10:29.04 | jim | omi: do you do make-kpkg --initrd? |
| 10:29.23 | ma3x | well im not linux manager |
| 10:29.27 | omi | VGS:unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 10:29.37 | Rangitoto | I have just started debian and I can't find how to shut it down. |
| 10:29.37 | omi | I've got 3 scsi drives -> MD ->LVM |
| 10:29.38 | ma3x | omi i know that error |
| 10:29.41 | nkuttler | omi: get the source package for a kernel and inspect it, they have patches |
| 10:29.45 | jim | ma3x: you could become one |
| 10:29.53 | omi | works perfectly under debian kernels |
| 10:29.56 | ma3x | jim : i wouldn't like to |
| 10:30.00 | ma3x | you know why? |
| 10:30.06 | omi | I have initrd |
| 10:30.13 | omi | tried without initrd same story |
| 10:30.14 | nkuttler | omi: source for a kernel-image i mean |
| 10:30.42 | ma3x | omi you miss.config'd it |
| 10:30.49 | nkuttler | omi: or look at the /boot/configfoo |
| 10:30.54 | omi | COPY CONFIG |
| 10:30.56 | jim | wait, install kernels these days have lvm |
| 10:31.01 | omi | +/- few changes |
| 10:31.09 | ma3x | omi : copy /boot/config$version to /usr/src/kernel-source... |
| 10:31.10 | omi | such as remove useless modules for devices I don't have |
| 10:31.10 | jim | so it -should- work |
| 10:31.15 | omi | yeah |
| 10:31.22 | omi | good luck *sigh* |
| 10:31.25 | jim | but you have to make sure to activate the lvm vols |
| 10:31.28 | ma3x | omi : you boot from /dev/hda1? |
| 10:31.35 | omi | no |
| 10:31.47 | omi | scsi ->MD->lvm |
| 10:31.55 | amorphix | im gonna test out my pcmcia card and stream some video over nfs |
| 10:32.00 | omi | /dev/mapper/system-root |
| 10:32.05 | amorphix | if it works i will know my sys can handle it |
| 10:32.07 | omi | how does the kernel activate mapper? |
| 10:32.12 | jim | he probably boots from /dev/nameofvolgroup/nameoflogicalvolume |
| 10:32.15 | omi | I'm totally confused on that issue |
| 10:32.17 | omi | yeah |
| 10:32.26 | ma3x | jim : we interrupted our conversation, you are not interested to continue..? |
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| 10:32.45 | amorphix | ma3x are you Russian? |
| 10:32.46 | jim | not particularly... you have stuff to learn... just do it |
| 10:32.51 | omi | another odity is that I have /boot partition that is not in LVM , I just couldn't get deb-installer to work with everything on LVM |
| 10:33.03 | omi | so things in /boot think they are / |
| 10:33.03 | ma3x | amorphix : are you trying to globalize people? |
| 10:33.07 | omi | (vmlinuz) |
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| 10:33.15 | omi | that might be creating other issues |
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| 10:33.19 | amorphix | no, just find out your nationality |
| 10:33.20 | ma3x | i am citizen of the world |
| 10:33.36 | Will_ | And your only religion is to troll on irc? |
| 10:33.47 | jim | if you're globalized, does that mean you're as tall as you are wide, in every direction? :) |
| 10:33.55 | amorphix | hehe |
| 10:34.16 | launch | hm i dont know the name of button some mouse got but in windows you can scroll up and down a webpage, i got this scroll button but dont work on debian, |
| 10:34.21 | amorphix | he's in all parts of the world simultaneously |
| 10:34.25 | ma3x | jim : no, only victim of racism |
| 10:34.38 | Will_ | amorphix: That must cause major problems when he needs the bathroom |
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| 10:34.44 | jim | sorry to hear that... you still have a lot to learn |
| 10:34.46 | amorphix | ha |
| 10:34.49 | nkuttler | launch: pageup/down? |
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| 10:35.01 | nkuttler | launch: or do you mean a scroll wheel? |
| 10:35.02 | launch | mkuttler i want to use the mouse button |
| 10:35.03 | amorphix | racism sux |
| 10:35.05 | ma3x | Will_ what is YOUR religion then? |
| 10:35.07 | launch | yes scroll wheel |
| 10:35.26 | jim | my religion is the order of the scroll wheel |
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| 10:35.40 | jim | basically, we sit and spin... |
| 10:35.57 | amorphix | i have a scroll wheel on my lappy, i can join that religion :P |
| 10:36.07 | Will_ | ma3x: Buddism/Tao |
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| 10:36.23 | Will_ | I'm not too good at either, but I try my little socks off |
| 10:36.23 | omi | jim, you said "I have ot make sure to activate lvm vols" how do I tell the kernel that? |
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| 10:37.28 | theb0y | hello, how is it possible to tell my linux box to switch to tty5 whenever i issue the reboot command? how can i do that? |
| 10:37.36 | lars^ | Is it possibel to say to echo i want to echo a text over another text?. Fx i want to echo "hello" into file test the hello sentens should be over the text #testing |
| 10:38.04 | yahh | Which better apache version? |
| 10:38.09 | jim | omi: you would have to somehow arrange to run vgchange -a y |
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| 10:38.43 | jim | yahh: aolserver! |
| 10:38.46 | omi | jim, I'm confused a bit about the process of things happening |
| 10:38.49 | jim | oh, that's not an apche |
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| 10:39.03 | omi | jim, debian kernel boots it doesn't care, why when my kernel boots it should? |
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| 10:39.11 | amorphix | strange |
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| 10:39.33 | amorphix | jim: i removed and reloaded the module driver for the 3com and now it seems fine |
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| 10:39.42 | blahdeblah | Hi folks, what software do i need to back up onto DVD+R media? cdrecord says DVD+R support code is missing. Using sarge. |
| 10:39.59 | jim | omi: oh, I see... so you're saying that it works when you use a debian kernel |
| 10:40.01 | jim | yes? |
| 10:40.03 | nkuttler | lars^: some combination of cat, tac, head etc could do it, but why not use perl? |
| 10:40.03 | omi | yeah |
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| 10:40.09 | omi | the system is running perfectly fine |
| 10:40.29 | emergo | which port do I need to open to connect from outside my router ? 141 or 143 |
| 10:40.29 | omi | I copied debian config and changed few things, compiled my kernel doesn't work |
| 10:40.31 | jim | uname -r |
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| 10:40.46 | amorphix | linux is a mystery sometimes |
| 10:40.49 | jim | what did you change? |
| 10:40.56 | jim | linux is huge |
| 10:40.58 | amorphix | hehe |
| 10:41.11 | zmeio | yeah |
| 10:41.26 | omi | ok, just to make sure my fingers are not making things up, I'll repeat the whole process with IDENTICAL config and get back on that issue |
| 10:41.30 | jim | that's part of why it's a mystery; it pretty much includes all of computer science |
| 10:41.30 | zmeio | especially debian |
| 10:41.31 | zmeio | :) |
| 10:41.38 | amorphix | on lsmod i have: mii 4992 1 used by 3c59x |
| 10:41.38 | omi | hehe |
| 10:41.51 | amorphix | and 3c59x is not used by anything |
| 10:41.57 | omi | I shed my tears over debinstaller MD + LVM is so f*king fragile |
| 10:42.06 | amorphix | i loaded up 3c59x module and now nfs works fine |
| 10:42.11 | jim | omi: that would be a very good test... btw, where did you get your kerneo source? |
| 10:42.25 | omi | kernel.org |
| 10:42.45 | jim | ok, and it's not mounting root? |
| 10:42.55 | omi | yeah |
| 10:42.56 | jim | debian kernels have many patches applied |
| 10:43.12 | jim | the named ones, not the versioned ones |
| 10:43.27 | omi | jim, I'm trying to get XEN to run on this box |
| 10:43.38 | jim | what version? |
| 10:43.43 | omi | xen makefile downloads it's own kernel source |
| 10:43.53 | omi | so I have to make sure it works with generic undebianized kenel first |
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| 10:44.00 | omi | otherwise it is completely useeles |
| 10:44.03 | omi | 2.0.6 |
| 10:44.14 | jim | 2.0.6?! |
| 10:44.20 | omi | xen |
| 10:44.23 | jim | oh |
| 10:44.25 | omi | :D |
| 10:44.27 | jim | and your kernel is? |
| 10:44.41 | toresbe | "< omi> 1.3.14" |
| 10:44.42 | toresbe | :P |
| 10:44.53 | omi | 2.6.11.10 and 2.6.13-rc4 |
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| 10:45.01 | omi | those are the once I'm trying to make to work |
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| 10:45.11 | jim | ok, |
| 10:45.30 | omi | shit I don't think I'm sleeping today :) |
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| 10:45.42 | jim | are you using make-kpkg to build the kernel? |
| 10:45.48 | omi | no |
| 10:45.51 | omi | do I need to? |
| 10:45.56 | jim | maybe |
| 10:46.06 | jim | what is this xen thing? |
| 10:46.06 | omi | I don't see much use for it if I'm not going to install it on >1 box |
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| 10:46.31 | peppo | hello. I just migrated from XFree86 4.3.2 to xorg 6.8.2, and applications (in gnome) now suddenly maximize over both screens: this is undesirable for me. relevant xorg.conf info here: http://pastebin.com/325975 |
| 10:46.33 | omi | http://mark.foster.cc/wiki/index.php/Xen_Tips |
| 10:46.36 | omi | trying to follow this |
| 10:46.40 | jim | maybe that it will -work- in the debian env :) (well, maybe not too) |
| 10:46.55 | omi | doesn't work I'm 99% sure due to my setup |
| 10:47.26 | omi | I think MD doesn't find the MD disk on which it should have scanned for LVM volumes, which it didn't do as well and then kernel shits itself for lack of root |
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| 10:47.54 | jim | what is xen? |
| 10:48.11 | omi | have you heard of usermode linux? |
| 10:48.22 | jim | moreorless |
| 10:48.26 | omi | it lets you virtulize |
| 10:48.44 | kl4 | any one knows how can i put back the default permition to sudoers? |
| 10:48.45 | omi | you can create VMs and migrate them over network to different boxes even! |
| 10:48.52 | jim | meaning run multiple /s? |
| 10:49.21 | omi | yeah |
| 10:49.24 | omi | run VMs |
| 10:49.36 | jim | kl4: visudo, make it look like it did before you changed it |
| 10:49.48 | jim | or |
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| 10:49.54 | jim | restore from backup :) |
| 10:50.08 | emergo | what port does samba run on ? |
| 10:50.12 | omi | pfff, backups are for losers |
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| 10:50.22 | omi | 137-139 |
| 10:50.31 | kl4 | i just want to know the permision number |
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| 10:50.37 | omi | those are windows ports right? |
| 10:50.38 | kl4 | 0440? |
| 10:50.49 | jim | no, not having backups is for losers... because if you don't keep backups, you might LOSE. |
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| 10:50.56 | kl4 | whats the permision number for sudoers? |
| 10:51.00 | omi | kidding |
| 10:51.16 | kl4 | any one knows the permitions number for sudoers? |
| 10:51.25 | resiak | kl4: Edit it with visudo |
| 10:51.36 | jim | 440 |
| 10:51.38 | omi | 440? |
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| 10:51.50 | kl4 | 0440? or 440? |
| 10:51.51 | omi | yeah just checked |
| 10:52.02 | jim | well, specify in octal, so 0440 |
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| 10:52.33 | omi | jim, I think I know where my system gets transhed |
| 10:52.42 | omi | I adapted 2.4 series +modifications |
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| 10:53.01 | omi | that was the reason, lets try with 2.6.11-1-686-smp |
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| 10:53.31 | jim | does xen alter the kernel source? |
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| 10:53.47 | omi | it kind of makes two kerneles |
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| 10:53.55 | omi | but yeah |
| 10:54.01 | jim | kernelies? |
| 10:54.11 | omi | as well as some devices |
| 10:54.15 | omi | dom0 and domU |
| 10:54.19 | jim | kernely klinkie |
| 10:54.47 | jim | so there's a kernel running in each vm? a -different- one? |
| 10:54.59 | jim | or at least potentially so? |
| 10:54.59 | omi | dom0 is when you boot, your normal unvirtulized system with your config just different kernel |
| 10:55.01 | shmoo | how's the xen performance ? |
| 10:55.09 | omi | VERY GOOD! |
| 10:55.19 | omi | 100 percent for just cpu things |
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| 10:55.37 | omi | when you get IO it degrades obviously |
| 10:55.41 | holycow | oi jim |
| 10:55.43 | shmoo | how are the memory requirements ? |
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| 10:55.46 | jim | heya rob |
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| 10:55.54 | omi | I guess you need 40 MB ram |
| 10:55.58 | shmoo | I want to set up a dmz using xen ... |
| 10:56.12 | omi | since 32 for Xen and at least 8 for a system |
| 10:56.22 | jim | I would think you'd need multiple gbs of ram |
| 10:56.26 | shmoo | that's pretty good .. |
| 10:56.39 | omi | well lets just say that I have 128 and I'm thinking of buying ram |
| 10:56.47 | omi | 40 is ABSOLUTE min |
| 10:56.54 | omi | it depends on the task |
| 10:56.58 | Linuxdogmatiker | at exim4 the sender ist like "username <username@irgendwas>" i want it like "User Name <username@irgendwas>" how to do? |
| 10:57.07 | shmoo | same here, I just don't have too much ram ... |
| 10:57.08 | jim | heh, don't settle for anything but the KINGston |
| 10:57.19 | omi | if you jus want to run a kernel which routes things ~10 mb would be fine for that VM |
| 10:57.35 | pureone | !confuse Linuxdogmatiker |
| 10:57.35 | dpkg | No, those are your mushroom today, Linuxdogmatiker? trousers of the dictatorship of belarus with extra cream |
| 10:57.38 | omi | for small systems it is reasonably to assume 64-128 |
| 10:57.47 | shmoo | cool! I don't want to run X, just some network stuff .. |
| 10:57.55 | omi | you can run X |
| 10:58.10 | shmoo | postfix, apache , that sort of thing |
| 10:58.20 | jim | Linuxdogmatiker: put your full name in your user spec... man chfn |
| 10:58.28 | jim | that -might- do it |
| 10:58.40 | omi | you know what is THE coolest thing about xen in my oppinion? it exports PCI devices, so you can have 5 pci NICs in your box and export a real nic to each VM |
| 10:58.42 | shmoo | but first I have to use grub ... |
| 10:58.50 | omi | or same with videocards or other hardware |
| 10:58.57 | omi | it uses linux drivers |
| 10:59.14 | omi | also live VM migrate is nice |
| 10:59.15 | jim | that does sound pretty cool |
| 10:59.41 | shmoo | I'm using lilo now, but to run xen, I need grub right ? |
| 10:59.57 | omi | not sure |
| 11:00.07 | shmoo | multiboot and stuff |
| 11:00.19 | omi | shmoo, do you know what GRUB's module command does? |
| 11:00.44 | shmoo | omi: no, but you're gonna tell me, right ? |
| 11:00.45 | omi | thats what xen needs and I'm not sure if lilo does it |
| 11:00.51 | omi | sorry |
| 11:00.54 | omi | not sure |
| 11:00.58 | omi | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/performance.html |
| 11:01.16 | shmoo | no worries ... |
| 11:01.31 | shmoo | grub is manadatory I think |
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| 11:01.35 | omi | regarding VMware though, the version tested is 3.2 since it is the latest version for which you can publish benchmarks |
| 11:01.35 | theboneman | hello |
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| 11:01.46 | omi | yeah grub is really nice |
| 11:01.49 | shmoo | but I really hate messing with my bootloader |
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| 11:02.13 | theboneman | does anybody know how to change permissions on a mount'ed device like my psp |
| 11:02.24 | shmoo | I think I will try creating a grub bootflop first |
| 11:02.35 | shmoo | start the xen kernel from that |
| 11:02.35 | omi | probably by grub 120 they'll have devices which reads user's mind regarding which kernel they want and which parameters |
| 11:03.06 | shmoo | :)) |
| 11:03.08 | theboneman | hello? |
| 11:03.20 | omi | psp? |
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| 11:03.29 | theboneman | its just like an mp3 player |
| 11:03.33 | jim | and by 121, the grub will write your mind... and TELL you what you want! |
| 11:03.35 | theboneman | its telling me its read only |
| 11:03.39 | omi | haha |
| 11:03.46 | petemc | theboneman: for stiff with windows filesystems, you set permissions at mount time |
| 11:03.52 | theboneman | after i mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/psp |
| 11:03.54 | petemc | stuff |
| 11:03.56 | theboneman | oh |
| 11:04.04 | petemc | !vfatrw |
| 11:04.04 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 11:04.19 | theboneman | oh |
| 11:04.37 | petemc | ignore the bit about ntfs, thats bunkkum, you only need umask=022 for ntfs |
| 11:04.45 | theboneman | ok |
| 11:04.47 | omi | theboneman, do you mean let the USER be able to access? |
| 11:04.56 | theboneman | im able to access it |
| 11:05.00 | theboneman | just wont write correctly |
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| 11:05.08 | jim | why? |
| 11:05.11 | omi | hmm not sure |
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| 11:05.40 | omi | jim |
| 11:05.51 | markit | hi, libsmpeg0 has been replaced by libsmpeg0c2, but some programs don't install because of the unresolved dependency. How can I have them install and use the new library? |
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| 11:05.58 | omi | jim, I've read somewhere that you need to specify root dev to grub in hex |
| 11:06.10 | jim | I mean, to theboneman: why? |
| 11:06.47 | theboneman | and then just ld-config? |
| 11:07.31 | jim | hmm, I'm out gang... |
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| 11:07.52 | theboneman | hey |
| 11:07.56 | theboneman | then what ldconfig after? |
| 11:08.05 | theboneman | how to i reload /etc/fstab? |
| 11:08.08 | theboneman | is that a reboot |
| 11:08.19 | liable | theboneman: no, just remount it. |
| 11:08.45 | omi | jim, kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp doesn't work with MD->LVM |
| 11:09.22 | omi | but 2.4 works, depressing |
| 11:10.38 | theboneman | mv: failed to preserve ownership for `/mnt/psp/psp/game/kptest1%/EBOOT.PBP': Operation not permitted |
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| 11:12.33 | jaegerMeister | hi folks |
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| 11:13.05 | theboneman | petemc you around ? |
| 11:13.10 | theboneman | i must be doing something wrong |
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| 11:14.38 | jelly | theboneman: that 'failed to preserve ownership' is normal, vfat has no concept of ownership |
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| 11:14.43 | Greek0 | hi |
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| 11:14.51 | theboneman | oh |
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| 11:15.22 | jelly | theboneman: you'll also notice that permissions (may) have changed |
| 11:16.04 | theboneman | heh |
| 11:16.11 | theboneman | nothing really changed |
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| 11:21.57 | Greek0 | I was wondering whether glibc in debian supports uses sysenter for syscalls if available. I've been looking at the source, found some comments, but no code path that uses sysenter. |
| 11:22.35 | Greek0 | I thought libc6-i686 may be what I need, but it's also built from the glibc source.. |
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| 11:23.16 | jamesm_ | Hello, |
| 11:23.18 | theboneman | yeah |
| 11:23.21 | theboneman | nothing is copying |
| 11:23.22 | Greek0 | so does anyone have an idea if glibc uses sysenter on debian? |
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| 11:24.10 | Eclipser | is there some software which would load HTML docs like man does manpages (so that I wouldn't have to search for it and type the path to firefox or something) :) |
| 11:24.20 | jamesm_ | Does anyone know if the debian netinstall leaves a kernel .config file lying around after the initial install that I could use when configuring a new kernel so I get all the right drivers etc |
| 11:24.42 | miz | Eclipser; lynx? ;p |
| 11:24.48 | Eclipser | I have boost docs in /usr/share/doc/boost/HTML or something |
| 11:24.51 | valdyn | jamesm_: /boot/config-whatever or /proc/config.gz |
| 11:24.51 | Greek0 | jamesm_: uh, I think you should find the config of the kernel in /boot |
| 11:24.52 | Eclipser | pft |
| 11:24.56 | peppo | I recently upgraded to xorg 6.8.2 from XFree86 4.3 in Debian (unstable), and I have two monitors. suddenly windows maximize over both monitors, not the current one. I do not want this behaviour (GNOME 2.10.2, xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4). here is the relevant part of xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/325990 |
| 11:25.02 | Eclipser | miz, I'd still have to look for the docs manually :< |
| 11:25.17 | jamesm_ | Greek0: thanks I'll take a look |
| 11:25.22 | omi | Eclipser, konqueror is nice in that regard |
| 11:25.30 | omi | man:/ start typing |
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| 11:26.23 | theboneman | blah |
| 11:26.42 | jamesm_ | Greek0: Thanks, there appears to be a config for the old kernel there. |
| 11:26.55 | Oryn | peppo: sounds like you have xenarama |
| 11:27.05 | peppo | Oryn, no. twinview. |
| 11:27.09 | Oryn | oh |
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| 11:27.47 | peppo | xorg fucked it. |
| 11:27.58 | theboneman | dude |
| 11:27.58 | peppo | it must pertain to my twinview configuration I guess |
| 11:28.00 | theboneman | petemc |
| 11:28.01 | Oryn | peppo: I'd love to be able to run 2 monitors, but although my hardware supports it, linux doesn't :( |
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| 11:28.32 | markit | can't install slune game in debian sid due to broken dependencies :( how to fix it? |
| 11:28.47 | valdyn | markit: just dont run sid |
| 11:29.02 | Oryn | markit: you might try building it from source |
| 11:29.10 | markit | valdyn: slune installed fine, but now there is a change in one library |
| 11:29.17 | Brendo | how to download dvdiso. com down carupt |
| 11:29.19 | markit | libsmpeg0 has been replaced by libsmpeg0c2, but some programs don't install because of the unresolved dependency. How can I have them install and use the new library? |
| 11:29.20 | Oryn | markit apt-get source -b <package> |
| 11:29.47 | valdyn | markit: that is the ABI change the /topic is referring to. |
| 11:29.52 | markit | Oryn: will I get rid of that dependency problem, using sources? (sorry, newbie here) |
| 11:30.38 | Oryn | markit: it will let you build your package using the libs that you have currently |
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| 11:30.55 | markit | valdyn: ah, but since sline is in python, should use old libraries and they should work, instead the old one has been removed, and the new one does not meet dependency |
| 11:30.58 | Oryn | markit: it might fix your problem |
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| 11:32.05 | valdyn | markit: no it shouldnt work during the ABI transition, breakage is expected. Recompiling can fix this. Using sid as a 'newbie' however is not recommended, /msg dpkg sid. |
| 11:32.14 | Brendo | hot to download dvd iso come down corrupt?... |
| 11:32.21 | Brendo | ***how |
| 11:32.51 | theboneman | um |
| 11:33.15 | valdyn | Brendo: sew your warez source? |
| 11:33.23 | valdyn | Brendo: sue your warez source? |
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| 11:34.16 | Brendo | i download via ftp/http disc1 say 327mb disc 2 say 127mb |
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| 11:34.36 | Brendo | not happy :( |
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| 11:35.24 | Trewas | Brendo: did you download with wget? it can't handle >2gb files correctly |
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| 11:36.03 | m4lu6 | Anybody have a clue why 'hostname -f' would be returning "hostname: AU01: Unknown host" (where AU01 is the name set by hostname --file /etc/hostname) ?? |
| 11:36.40 | Brendo | i try download with windows |
| 11:36.56 | nkuttler | Brendo: what kind of dvd? |
| 11:37.05 | Brendo | new debian dvd |
| 11:37.29 | nkuttler | Brendo: try a different source. why not the netinst cd? |
| 11:37.48 | Brendo | i will try |
| 11:37.49 | litage | /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh says that it mounts "the NFS file systems in /etc/fstab if needed". what does it regard as NFSs? |
| 11:37.53 | Brendo | thank you |
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| 11:38.49 | Greek0 | Does anyone know if glibc in debian uses sysenter for syscalls or how I can get a glibc that uses it? |
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| 11:40.15 | libertine | i want find a rss reader,who can tell me |
| 11:40.24 | nkuttler | Greek0: try the mailing list |
| 11:40.32 | litage | libertine: try google |
| 11:40.35 | nkuttler | libertine: apt-cache search rss? |
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| 11:41.15 | kl4 | any one can help me please |
| 11:41.27 | nkuttler | kl4: maybe if you ask a question |
| 11:41.39 | kl4 | ok |
| 11:41.41 | dotz | Guys, what do you think about Ubuntu in terms of usability? |
| 11:41.45 | kl4 | i have problems |
| 11:41.46 | vick | What decent package manager is recommended to be used (which could work on any linux distribution) ? |
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| 11:42.25 | dotz | vick: What? |
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| 11:43.01 | kl4 | i have problems please anyone help me http://pastebin.com/326001 |
| 11:43.44 | vick | dotz: What package manager would you recommend which would work on another linux distribution ? |
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| 11:44.01 | FieldySnuts | that's usually a poor idea and very annoying to keep working |
| 11:44.18 | dotz | vick: Different package management is one of things that make Linux distributions different from each other. |
| 11:44.28 | vick | heh |
| 11:44.30 | dotz | vick: For portable build / packaging system, I'd use pkgsrc from www.pkgsrc.org :) |
| 11:44.49 | dotz | vick: apt-get is also portable. |
| 11:45.11 | vick | apt-get Vs portage Vs pkgsrc Vs yum |
| 11:45.25 | vick | i think yum is out heh, but i can't really judge since i've never used the others |
| 11:45.30 | kl4 | any one knows how to give a new host key to the server? |
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| 11:46.59 | dotz | kl4: You don't give new host key to server. |
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| 11:47.15 | dotz | kl4: This message means, that that host's keys have been changed. |
| 11:47.35 | kl4 | and how can i fix that? if posible |
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| 11:47.40 | omi | in ssh? |
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| 11:47.55 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite SCO |
| 11:47.56 | kl4 | yes |
| 11:47.56 | ravenbird | SCO: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 11:47.58 | dotz | kl4: This is not your fault. |
| 11:48.03 | nkuttler | kl4: you probably want to fix ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 11:48.09 | shmoo | when I do "apt-get install grub", will it mess up my existing lilo installation ? |
| 11:48.30 | dotz | shmoo: Only if you tell it to, I believe. |
| 11:48.49 | kl4 | nkuttler what can i do there? |
| 11:49.08 | nkuttler | kl4: is it your own server you're connecting to? |
| 11:49.18 | kl4 | yes |
| 11:49.20 | shmoo | dotz: so it should just install the package and not try to do anyrthing clever ? |
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| 11:49.40 | kl4 | nkuttler yes |
| 11:49.44 | vick | dotz: what would you pick between apt-get pkgsrc portage and others ? |
| 11:49.45 | nkuttler | kl4: did you upgrade it, change your network config or something |
| 11:50.08 | kl4 | nkuttler i change the ip from the name server |
| 11:50.34 | nkuttler | kl4: the fix is to remove the line with that host. but you read the warning |
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| 11:50.51 | sEcretz | hey :) just wanted to know which tool is used to encrypt a file |
| 11:51.11 | nkuttler | sEcretz: gnupg |
| 11:51.18 | sEcretz | gnupg? |
| 11:51.19 | barongas | Anyone know anything about the netdriver sheep_net? I'm trying to compile it to give Basiliskii access to the internet but it won't compile. |
| 11:51.25 | kl4 | nkuttler is no other solution? |
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| 11:51.49 | omi | there's LVM crypt target |
| 11:51.54 | nkuttler | kl4: Add correct host key in /home/kl1/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. |
| 11:52.14 | nakee | LOL I guess the topic answers on my why doesn't anything new get into testing question:) |
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| 11:52.22 | sEcretz | aha are they already installed or are as rpm packages |
| 11:52.25 | sEcretz | or is it hard to find |
| 11:52.28 | kl4 | nkuttler so i just need to put the hist key from the new server? |
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| 11:53.06 | nkuttler | kl4: probably, i just remove the host when i know the key is supposed to have changed |
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| 11:53.22 | kl4 | ok |
| 11:54.11 | test | Hello, I have used dpkg --get-selections, saved the output to "packages" now I want to install those "pacakges" on the box, I tried dpkg --set-selctions < packages but that doesn't work |
| 11:54.26 | nkuttler | test: why not? |
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| 11:54.50 | cn | somebody know how to use adsl from a pc with cellular? |
| 11:54.53 | Mondoshawan | hi all |
| 11:55.01 | test | nkuttler: nvm |
| 11:55.04 | Mondoshawan | Ok, i have installed ftpd and i create a new user ... (with ssh i can connect with this user and the homedir. ist the right one) but i can not connect to ftp with this account why? |
| 11:55.12 | Mondoshawan | can somebody help me? |
| 11:55.47 | nkuttler | test: um, remove nvm? |
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| 11:56.12 | kl4 | nkuttler the problem is i dont have that user in the new server |
| 11:56.31 | test | nkuttler: i had to ; with apt |
| 11:57.15 | test | dpkg tell nkuttler about selections |
| 11:57.24 | nkuttler | kl4: what do you mean? fix the ~/.ssh/known_hosts on the client machine |
| 11:57.33 | kl4 | oh ok |
| 11:57.34 | nkuttler | test: i know about selections. |
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| 11:57.39 | nkuttler | !tell test about errors |
| 11:57.42 | test | k, that's what I asked nkuttler |
| 11:58.10 | test | nkuttler: because there was no error |
| 11:58.27 | nkuttler | test: so where's the problem? |
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| 11:58.48 | test | invoking dpkg --set-selections < packages , was ok, but I forgot the apt part therefore there was no error |
| 11:58.56 | kl4 | nkuttler i fix it with vi? |
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| 11:59.12 | nkuttler | test: like apt-get update, apt-get upgrade? |
| 11:59.22 | stew | apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 11:59.30 | test | nkuttler: no, like apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 11:59.38 | nkuttler | test: yeah, much better |
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| 11:59.55 | Calibra | hello |
| 12:00.04 | miz | Anyone has a clue where I can get alternate keyboard layouts for SCIM? I can hardly type with russian yawerty |
| 12:00.16 | Calibra | how can i use msn messeger in knoppix |
| 12:00.23 | nkuttler | Calibra: #knoppix |
| 12:00.40 | kl4 | nkuttler how can i fix /.ssh/known_hosts |
| 12:00.41 | Calibra | nobody is answerin there |
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| 12:00.46 | Calibra | they must be idle |
| 12:00.51 | simosx | Hi. I am helping someone who wants to submit a font as a new Debian package. How do we start for the submission of the package? How do we add it in "testing"? |
| 12:00.54 | stew | Calibra: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:01.10 | nkuttler | kl4: just remove the line with that host. |
| 12:01.21 | litage | how can one obtain the output from a command that initially requires user input? (eg: grub-md5-crypt) |
| 12:01.35 | kl4 | nkuttler yes, but how can i go there in terminal? vi? |
| 12:01.51 | nkuttler | simosx: apt-get install maint-guide |
| 12:01.53 | valdyn | litage: man tee |
| 12:02.00 | stew | simosx: the need to find a sponsor for the package, you should read /msg dpkg mg ; and once a good package is prepared post it to the debian-mentors mailing list and try to find a sponsor |
| 12:02.06 | litage | thanks valdyn |
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| 12:02.13 | Calibra | 10x |
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| 12:03.11 | kl4 | nkuttler vi ~/.ssh/known_hosts ? |
| 12:03.12 | simosx | nkuttler, stew: cheers. I am not sure he has debian yet, I'll forward him the "/msg dpkg mg" output. |
| 12:03.30 | stew | simosx: nm.debian.org has lots of info |
| 12:03.40 | nkuttler | kl4: you know how to use a editor? |
| 12:03.58 | kl4 | i jnow vi only |
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| 12:04.10 | kl4 | nkuttler i know vi only |
| 12:04.42 | nkuttler | kl4: so use it... |
| 12:04.57 | stew | simosx: if what he is packaging is a font, it might make more sense for him to try to figure out which of the existing debian font pacakges it belongs in, and mailing the maintainer of that package |
| 12:05.01 | kl4 | ok |
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| 12:05.59 | litage | valdyn: how will tee help? i don't need to write the command's output to a file; just store it in a variable |
| 12:06.11 | simosx | stew: it's a nepali (=devanagari) font, and I assume that it will be an individual package named after ttf-xxxxx. |
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| 12:06.28 | abrotman | stew: did they let you drive? |
| 12:06.45 | stew | to the airport? no |
| 12:06.47 | kl4 | nkuttler i dont see any ~/.ssh/known_hosts in home |
| 12:07.08 | stew | kl4: /home/kl4/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 12:07.12 | abrotman | stew: the plane! |
| 12:07.22 | kl4 | stew ok |
| 12:07.44 | nkuttler | kl4: ~/ is you home directory |
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| 12:07.57 | stew | kl4: perl -ni -e "print unless 1.2.3.4" ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 12:08.07 | stew | kl4: where 1.2.3.4 is the ip address you are trying to remove |
| 12:08.15 | kl4 | oh ok |
| 12:08.37 | stew | err |
| 12:08.38 | stew | no |
| 12:08.44 | stew | don't do that |
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| 12:08.58 | stew | perl -ni -e "print unless /1.2.3.4/" ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 12:09.01 | stew | (doh) |
| 12:09.40 | kl4 | perl -ni -e "print unless /iphere/" ~/.ssh/known_hosts ? like this |
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| 12:12.58 | DJ_Necrogami | ello? |
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| 12:13.21 | DJ_Necrogami | anyone avaliable online for support? |
| 12:13.59 | nkuttler | DJ_Necrogami: just ask |
| 12:14.14 | DJ_Necrogami | ive got a 2 Wire PCMCIA Wireless card im trying to get to detect |
| 12:14.18 | DivideByO | Isn't there any kernel package for kernel security patches? I'd like to install something like openwall, lids or grsecurity 'the debian way', but i can't find anything similar in the sarge package list.. |
| 12:14.22 | kl4 | stew i just need to chage the ip for the newone? |
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| 12:15.36 | nkuttler | DivideByO: you can build your own package iwth kernel-package |
| 12:15.59 | DivideByO | nkuttler: yeah, i guess that's my only option. thanks. |
| 12:16.20 | kl4 | how can i make a ssh-rsa? |
| 12:16.27 | nkuttler | DJ_Necrogami: find out what chipset they have and if there's a driver |
| 12:16.45 | t0urneviiiz | hey guys, when upgrading my kernel it crashes right here |
| 12:16.45 | t0urneviiiz | Freeing unused kernel memory: 92k freed |
| 12:16.45 | t0urneviiiz | modprobe: modprobe: cannot create /var/log/ksymoops/19991231.log Read-only file system |
| 12:16.45 | t0urneviiiz | INIT: version 2.86 booting |
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| 12:16.55 | t0urneviiiz | hrm sorry |
| 12:17.21 | kl4 | stew do i need to edit the new ip there? |
| 12:17.24 | t0urneviiiz | it crashes at INIT: version 2.86 booting (that line is replaced by a kernel panic error) |
| 12:17.26 | nkuttler | DJ_Necrogami: look at dmesg output |
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| 12:18.35 | DJ_Necrogami | it dosnt detect |
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| 12:18.40 | DJ_Necrogami | <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> |
| 12:18.40 | DJ_Necrogami | <body><FONT face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="2">It was based off of the Agere/Orinoco Silver/Gold wireless card</FONT></body> |
| 12:18.49 | DJ_Necrogami | O.o |
| 12:18.50 | DivideByO | t0urneviiiz: kernel version? |
| 12:18.51 | nkuttler | DJ_Necrogami: don't flood |
| 12:18.56 | DJ_Necrogami | didnt mean to |
| 12:18.56 | kl4 | any one knows about ssh-rsa? |
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| 12:19.08 | t0urneviiiz | DivideByO: 2.4.31 |
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| 12:19.24 | nkuttler | kl4: man ssh-keygen? |
| 12:19.34 | kl4 | ok |
| 12:19.50 | DJ_Necrogami | when i plug it in my bios detects it it makes 2 beeps |
| 12:19.52 | nkuttler | kl4: "apropos rsa" |
| 12:20.06 | kl4 | oh ok |
| 12:20.09 | DJ_Necrogami | cs: unable to map card memory! |
| 12:20.23 | DJ_Necrogami | but dmesg says "cs: unable to map card memory!" |
| 12:21.19 | nkuttler | DJ_Necrogami: dmesg, /var/log/messages, what chipset, do you even know if there is a driver for it? |
| 12:21.33 | DJ_Necrogami | Chipset is Orinoco |
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| 12:22.20 | nkuttler | DJ_Necrogami: google chipset + error message |
| 12:22.32 | emergo | what port does samba run on ? need to open router but what ? |
| 12:23.41 | nkuttler | emergo: man smb.conf |
| 12:23.56 | DivideByO | emergo: by default, they should be 137, 138 and 139 |
| 12:24.31 | stew | emergo: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 12:24.48 | stew | kl4: that perl line i gave you was just going to remove the line it was complaining about |
| 12:24.53 | DivideByO | emergo: and 445/tcp, too. |
| 12:24.57 | t0urneviiiz | DivideByO: any idea? |
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| 12:25.35 | kl4 | stew some one edit it before and is has a ssh-rsa key |
| 12:25.55 | DivideByO | t0urneviiiz: well, i can only give you a general advice. remove as much hardware drivers from your custom kernel as possibile, and try to see if the stripped-down version works |
| 12:26.15 | abrotman | why not start with a working config .. and go down ? |
| 12:26.21 | t0urneviiiz | it is already stripped down |
| 12:26.47 | abrotman | and it works? .. and this is bad ? |
| 12:26.54 | DivideByO | t0urneviiiz: you can boot fine on the same machine with at least another kernel, right? |
| 12:26.56 | t0urneviiiz | no it doesnt work :) |
| 12:27.00 | abrotman | and why not ? |
| 12:27.07 | t0urneviiiz | DivideByO: yes i can |
| 12:27.13 | abrotman | since it seems you got kicked before the error appeared |
| 12:27.17 | t0urneviiiz | abrotman: because .31 won't let me load INIT for some reason |
| 12:27.20 | abrotman | and please .. don't paste it again |
| 12:27.29 | t0urneviiiz | no i wont dont worry |
| 12:27.30 | stew | t0urneviiiz: why are you compiling your own kenrel instead of just apt-getting one? |
| 12:27.35 | abrotman | t0urneviiiz: so as i said .. start with a working config .. and go down .... |
| 12:27.58 | t0urneviiiz | stew: because i'm using a cobalt and i cant apt a new one, its .27 and buggy as hell, network goes down all the time |
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| 12:28.17 | abrotman | you iknow .. people stopped using those things for a reason |
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| 12:28.36 | abrotman | and why not try a 2.6 ? |
| 12:28.42 | Exi1 | hello |
| 12:28.45 | abrotman | you know .. if you're gonna screw it up .. do it right! |
| 12:28.49 | t0urneviiiz | because ive been trying for 2 days straight and the kernel wont build the network driver |
| 12:28.58 | t0urneviiiz | (on 2.6) |
| 12:29.00 | stew | which driver? |
| 12:29.04 | t0urneviiiz | tulip |
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| 12:29.09 | abrotman | oh ffs ... |
| 12:29.23 | abrotman | there's no room for another nic? |
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| 12:29.39 | Exi1 | damned |
| 12:29.43 | t0urneviiiz | no, its got only on-board nic |
| 12:29.45 | abrotman | tulip used to be wonderful . too many cards poorly do tulip .. and not worth the hassle any more |
| 12:29.47 | DivideByO | tulip driver is so buggy in 2.6? |
| 12:29.49 | t0urneviiiz | its a cobalt raq2 |
| 12:30.14 | abrotman | t0urneviiiz: you did try the other related drivers .. right ? |
| 12:30.26 | t0urneviiiz | well i gotta go to work, i guess i'll later when i get back |
| 12:30.31 | t0urneviiiz | related drivers = ? |
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| 12:31.02 | abrotman | i think there's one called old_tulip .. and the de4x5 is sometimes one that works better on certain cards |
| 12:31.14 | t0urneviiiz | when building a kernel with tulip support (for my specific chipset) would give MANY ioread32 and iowrite32 errors and then crash |
| 12:31.20 | Exi1 | there is a command that makes dpkg give a link to different suspend software for notebooks. Does anybody know the command or te link?? |
| 12:31.25 | stew | the fact that the kernel fails to even build seems odd to me |
| 12:31.31 | abrotman | t0urneviiiz: look in the tulip folder .. there are like 6 or 8 of them |
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| 12:31.44 | DivideByO | Exi1: apt-cache search suspend |
| 12:31.49 | t0urneviiiz | and building smb support does the same as well |
| 12:31.57 | stew | Exi1: look up your notebook on tuxmobile.org or linux-laptops.net and figure out how others got it working |
| 12:32.02 | abrotman | t0urneviiiz: are you on sid ? |
| 12:32.08 | Exi1 | DivideByO: heh, that would be a good start also :s |
| 12:32.12 | t0urneviiiz | nope, sarge freshly installed |
| 12:32.26 | t0urneviiiz | (3.1 is sarge, right?) |
| 12:32.31 | abrotman | t0urneviiiz: there are so many other drivers in the tulip dir .. you sure one isn't a better fit for your card ? |
| 12:32.36 | stew | Exi1: errr, linux-laptop.net |
| 12:32.36 | Starfury | lo got a mobo failure so gonna have to move the hd to a new box, but its a different cpu, so i need to change kernel installed as its k7 at the moment, problem is xserver is auto running and crashing and locking up the box, how can i get to the prompt without the xserver attempting to run |
| 12:32.57 | t0urneviiiz | abrotman: well the one im selecting corresponds to the chipset number on my card |
| 12:33.14 | t0urneviiiz | gotta go, thanks for your help guys |
| 12:33.15 | Exi1 | stew: will do |
| 12:33.31 | stew | Starfury: boot into single user mode and /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:33.38 | fatal__ | Starfury: boot with a rescue cd or in single user mode... |
| 12:33.42 | Exi1 | DivideByO: acpi or apm support?? its a fairly new laptop... |
| 12:34.08 | Starfury | isnt there a ctrl keypress that you hit to cancel boot up and drop to prompt? |
| 12:34.15 | stew | no |
| 12:34.18 | abrotman | tulip stuff sucks now |
| 12:34.57 | Starfury | ok |
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| 12:37.55 | Starfury | it seems new system is alreayd a a |
| 12:37.57 | Starfury | k7 |
| 12:38.03 | DJ_Necrogami | Anyone know of any TV Tuner/Capture software Possiably w/ FM Capture/Tuner |
| 12:38.03 | Starfury | so it should just be plug and prey |
| 12:38.04 | Starfury | :) |
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| 12:40.18 | DJ_Necrogami | anyone? |
| 12:40.40 | petemc | Starfury: vdr |
| 12:40.44 | petemc | ermm |
| 12:40.48 | petemc | DJ_Necrogami: ^^^ |
| 12:41.20 | DJ_Necrogami | ? |
| 12:41.24 | petemc | vdr |
| 12:41.28 | DJ_Necrogami | oh |
| 12:41.43 | GregM | DJ_Necrogami: what about the likes of mythtv and freevo |
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| 12:42.42 | DJ_Necrogami | do you know if any of them support FM tuner cards |
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| 12:42.48 | DJ_Necrogami | my TV Card has FM tuner built in alos |
| 12:42.56 | abrotman | why don't you go read thier sites and see .... |
| 12:43.30 | DJ_Necrogami | well that was next |
| 12:43.41 | DJ_Necrogami | i was just seeing if someone already knew the answer |
| 12:43.43 | DJ_Necrogami | ~.~ |
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| 12:44.52 | spackx | re |
| 12:45.54 | jamesm_ | Does anyone know why the current net install cds fail on "Detect Hardware" step? |
| 12:45.56 | stew | DJ_Necrogami: #mythtv-users will know much more |
| 12:46.20 | stew | jamesm_: have you tried the 2.6 kenrel? |
| 12:46.21 | abrotman | jamesm_: did you get a daily or a sarge released ? |
| 12:46.27 | jamesm_ | daily |
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| 12:46.47 | jamesm_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 12:46.51 | jamesm_ | From there ^ |
| 12:46.53 | stew | jamesm_: the sarge d-i will have a much greater chance of sucsess |
| 12:46.56 | abrotman | jamesm_: ask #debian-boot .. or try a 2.6 kernel . using a daily last i heard was not a good idea |
| 12:47.10 | jamesm_ | abrotman: right, I'll try the boot guys |
| 12:47.17 | stew | jamesm_: try the 2.6 kenrel first |
| 12:47.27 | DJ_Necrogami | thanks |
| 12:47.28 | stew | abrotman: (#debian-boot isn't a help channel) |
| 12:47.41 | abrotman | stew: it is if thier installer don't detect |
| 12:47.50 | stew | they don't agree |
| 12:48.09 | abrotman | maybe they should hide the channel then .. |
| 12:48.11 | jamesm_ | stew: what do you mean by trying the 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:48.28 | jamesm_ | I thought that the installer used the 2.6 kernel |
| 12:48.35 | stew | jamesm_: the installer comes with both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, type linux26 at boot |
| 12:48.37 | abrotman | jamesm_: for x86 ? |
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| 12:48.42 | abrotman | jamesm_: really ... don't use a daily |
| 12:48.59 | stew | jamesm_: (hit f3 at the boot prompt for all the options) |
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| 12:49.07 | stew | at least i think its f3 |
| 12:49.09 | jamesm_ | stew: ok I'll give that a try first, I thought that it was 2.6 by default... interestingly an older 2.4 installer works |
| 12:49.21 | stew | jamesm_: then use an older installer and upgrade |
| 12:49.37 | spackx | if a passwd looks like this: root:x:0:1:Super-User:/:/sbin/sh, is there a password set??? |
| 12:49.43 | DJ_Necrogami | "vdr: please turn off UTF-8 before starting VDR" how would i turn of UTF-8 |
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| 12:50.02 | abrotman | spackx: yes |
| 12:50.16 | spackx | abrotman: but shadowed? |
| 12:50.17 | jamesm_ | stew: I tried that but had some problems with initrd |
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| 12:50.25 | viper | I`ve got a network related problem |
| 12:50.31 | abrotman | spackx: yes |
| 12:50.50 | viper | I`ve got a wireless network alwyas worked fine .. but now some of my neigbours has one too ... |
| 12:51.04 | stew | abrotman: #debian-boot is hidden btw |
| 12:51.09 | abrotman | pick another channel viper |
| 12:51.09 | spackx | abrotman: is there something like master.passwd for linux? or something |
| 12:51.15 | viper | problem is .. his wireless network is on the same channel .. and my NICs only connect to his network not to mine |
| 12:51.15 | abrotman | stew: it didn't used to be |
| 12:51.26 | abrotman | spackx: like .. /etc/shadow ? |
| 12:51.26 | viper | how could this be solved |
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| 12:51.34 | spackx | abrotman: right |
| 12:51.46 | abrotman | viper: pick another channel |
| 12:52.01 | abrotman | viper: and don't let your machines connect to his .. |
| 12:52.09 | abrotman | or do .. and turn yours off |
| 12:52.13 | spackx | abrotman: what if there's no /etc/shadow? |
| 12:52.18 | stew | viper: specify the wireless_essid you want to connect to in /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces) |
| 12:52.25 | shingouz | viper: use another essid and wpa the network |
| 12:52.28 | abrotman | spackx: there is |
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| 12:52.36 | viper | ok thanks :D |
| 12:52.42 | spackx | abrotman: not on the machine i'm talking about... |
| 12:52.44 | shingouz | viper: or stop paying for broadband yourself and use his |
| 12:52.50 | abrotman | spackx: it's debian ? |
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| 12:53.15 | abrotman | spackx: why isn't there a /etc/shadow ? |
| 12:53.22 | spackx | good question... |
| 12:53.32 | abrotman | spackx: ls -l /etc/shadow |
| 12:54.24 | abrotman | spackx: ls -l /etc/shadow* even |
| 12:54.36 | miz_ | If shadow passwords aren't enabled in base-config then there's no shadow in etc I believe |
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| 12:55.00 | abrotman | miz_: he has an x in the passwd file .. |
| 12:55.21 | Jordy | Hey, I've got a quick question regarding netbooting. In the 2.4 kernel that sarge uses, does ip_no_ptmu_disc work for UDP packets when set? |
| 12:55.33 | spackx | abrotman: can i pmsg you (one sentence)? |
| 12:55.45 | stew | we don't know how that line got put into the passwd file though |
| 12:55.45 | abrotman | spackx: you can paste it here ... |
| 12:55.56 | spackx | abromatn: there's nothing to paste :) |
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| 12:56.08 | abrotman | spackx: so you'd /msg me with what? :) |
| 12:56.20 | spackx | abrotman: uhm... a joke :) |
| 12:56.32 | spackx | a one-sentence-joke |
| 12:56.32 | abrotman | stew: that is a decent point .. are the rest of the lines shadowed .. or salted ? |
| 12:56.44 | abrotman | spackx: ^ |
| 12:56.44 | spackx | is that an ok? |
| 12:56.55 | abrotman | spackx: are you serious ? |
| 12:57.07 | spackx | uhm, yup |
| 12:57.07 | abrotman | spackx: fine |
| 12:57.07 | spackx | cool |
| 12:57.07 | abrotman | spackx: where's the rest of the file |
| 12:57.19 | libertine | who can tell me some good msn software run on linxu |
| 12:57.26 | abrotman | man man ? |
| 12:57.26 | nerverfeltsolost | helo, i just installed debian and then connected my old harddrive to mount its partions. it has got two ntfs partitions. ive tried several things to mount it, but practically i really dont know where to start and all my tryings had no success. can someone please give me hint how access to the harddrive? thanks... |
| 12:57.38 | yam | need to build up a firewall for a network with 32 public ips... any good suggestion under debian? |
| 12:57.41 | valdyn | libertine: kopete for kde i guess, gaim for gnome |
| 12:58.14 | yam | nerverfeltsolost: compile kernel with ntfs support or build it as a module |
| 12:58.27 | abrotman | !ntfs |
| 12:58.27 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 12:58.43 | valdyn | yam: shorewall |
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| 12:59.10 | pureone | mmm root |
| 12:59.19 | shingouz | yam: suggesting a custom kernel to a self-confessed noob is not a really good idea |
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| 12:59.57 | valdyn | yam: and btw, ntfs support is in stock debian kernels. |
| 13:00.06 | libertine | valdyn:some others,look like kmess |
| 13:00.36 | nerverfeltsolost | how can i find out wehat name a harddrive has got? |
| 13:00.50 | shingouz | nerverfeltsolost: dmesg |
| 13:00.57 | Starfury | will a dlink dfe-530tx gett auto found? |
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| 13:01.57 | shingouz | Starfury: no idea, depends on the system you have. how about trying it? |
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| 13:03.57 | cn | yError occurred during initialization of VM |
| 13:03.57 | cn | java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object |
| 13:04.26 | cn | java/lang/Object |
| 13:04.27 | cn | pCould not read ack from child process |
| 13:04.27 | cn | ePlugin: Java VM process has died. |
| 13:04.40 | cn | plugin: java process exited with status 1 |
| 13:04.40 | cn | Could not start JavaVM! |
| 13:04.46 | cn | who can hel pme? |
| 13:05.19 | eowo | I have uploaded all the filed on to my debian webserver box, and when i loadup index.html all the images are broke, i checked the file and folder permissions and they are fine, and when i check all the files on my windows box the website loads fine, can anyone help? |
| 13:05.41 | stew | cn: how did you install java? |
| 13:05.43 | findme | eowo, open one of the image files do they open fine |
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| 13:05.58 | stew | cn: i'm guessing you didn't use make-jpkg |
| 13:06.10 | eowo | findme: no |
| 13:06.11 | cn | stew: i have downloaded jre |
| 13:06.19 | stew | cn: how did you install it? |
| 13:06.25 | eowo | i cant access the images folder |
| 13:06.33 | abrotman | spackx: btw .. there is also #proftpd |
| 13:06.35 | abrotman | err |
| 13:06.36 | findme | eowo, you have to research why? |
| 13:06.39 | abrotman | might just be #proftp |
| 13:06.54 | cn | stew: i've cp plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugin |
| 13:06.55 | nerverfeltsolost | iv just found out what the nam of my connected harddrive is. i tried to mount it, but i get following massage: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on...". i used the following command: "mount -t ntfs /dev/hdd2 /ntfs". any idea whats wrong. is it possable, that there is no ntfs support on my system? |
| 13:06.57 | spackx | abrotman: thanks for the hint |
| 13:07.11 | stew | cn: /msg dpkg install java |
| 13:07.21 | eowo | findme: soddy i dont understand your question |
| 13:07.27 | eowo | sorry |
| 13:07.35 | shingouz | nerverfeltsolost: try mounting it as vfat |
| 13:08.23 | Starfury | shingouz, What i mean is it a default supported network card in the kernel |
| 13:08.25 | stew | cn: if you insist on not installing it the debian way, i believe you should be symlinking not copying, but this then becomes a #java problem not a #debian problem |
| 13:08.26 | findme | eowo, look for the image path from your index.html then simulate opening the file through the webbrowser. |
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| 13:08.57 | eowo | findme: i tried i just get a 404 error |
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| 13:09.06 | shingouz | Starfury: i think you need to check your current kernel config for that. |
| 13:09.16 | cn | stew: should i use debian way? |
| 13:09.20 | nerverfeltsolost | how would the command look like? sorry, iam new to this... when i use: "mount -t vfat /dev/hdd2 /ntfs" i get the same massage back |
| 13:09.23 | stew | cn: yes |
| 13:09.23 | Starfury | its a stock kernel |
| 13:09.28 | cn | stew: ok |
| 13:09.35 | shingouz | Starfury: the easiest way is to just try the damn card |
| 13:09.35 | Starfury | why not just say you dont know |
| 13:09.47 | findme | eowo, what is your directory structure, webserver root and stuff. |
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| 13:10.02 | Starfury | not really because its 10 minuts to put the machine back in and 10 minutes to pull it out again if it dont |
| 13:10.05 | eowo | findme: /var/www/ |
| 13:10.17 | shingouz | Starfury: check the kernel config then |
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| 13:10.28 | cn | stew: and how can i do in debian way i don't have idea |
| 13:10.31 | eowo | findme: then all my images are in /var/www/images/ |
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| 13:10.36 | stew | cn: /msg dpkg install java |
| 13:11.12 | litage | if grub-md5-crypt changes the salt each time and gives you a different hash for the same plaintext, how can it determine whether you've typed the correct password when you try to access grub? |
| 13:11.12 | Jordy | I'm attempting to setup netbooting to install Debain sarge on an SGI Indy. When the Indy sends a bootp packet to the network, the bootp server responds, but the Indy never sees the response. I have tried the ip_no_pmtu_disc workaround, but have read that it won't work for UDP packets in 2.4. I have also tried the portrange workaround. What should I try? |
| 13:11.12 | stew | cn: once you have installed java-package read the docs in /usr/share/doc/java-pacakge/* |
| 13:11.12 | findme | eowo, give a image file location |
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| 13:11.12 | nerverfeltsolost | shingouz: how would the command look like? sorry, iam new to this... when i use: "mount -t vfat /dev/hdd2 /ntfs" i get the same massage back |
| 13:11.14 | eowo | for you to look at? |
| 13:11.15 | shingouz | Starfury: most of the nics are suppported unless they are somethign really exotic in anycase |
| 13:11.29 | shingouz | nerverfeltsolost: are you root when you try to mount it? |
| 13:12.08 | cn | stew: the problem is that i dont' know how to do to install java pack |
| 13:12.08 | nerverfeltsolost | yes |
| 13:12.08 | findme | eowo, no just post it here , link="/images/abc.gif" |
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| 13:12.08 | cn | i do dpkg.. |
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| 13:12.08 | mage_ | any QOS guru here ? |
| 13:12.08 | abrotman | Jordy: there's no other way to install it ? |
| 13:12.08 | stew | cn: yeah, thats why i'm pointing you to the docs that explain this |
| 13:12.08 | eowo | <IMG SRC="/images/header_01.jpg" ALT="" WIDTH=326 HEIGHT=184 border="0"></TD> |
| 13:12.16 | abrotman | !tell cn about install java |
| 13:12.21 | Jordy | abrotman: Nope, I can't get the case open to install a CD drive. |
| 13:12.30 | abrotman | Jordy: say what ? |
| 13:12.30 | shingouz | nerverfeltsolost: and are you sure you have something on the drive in the first place. try 'fdisk -l /dev/hdd' and check what partitions you have there |
| 13:12.35 | abrotman | Jordy: why not ? |
| 13:12.35 | mage_ | cn: install make-jpkg |
| 13:12.35 | stew | mage_: if you have a question, just ask it, don't poll first |
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| 13:13.06 | findme | eowo, and you checked ls -ltr images/ all directory / files have read permissions |
| 13:13.13 | stew | mage_: there is no make-jpkg package |
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| 13:13.17 | abrotman | Jordy: whata bout a floppy drive ? |
| 13:13.21 | mage_ | how can I find the optimal burst size for a TBF queue ? |
| 13:13.21 | Jordy | abrotman: I've followed the case-opening instructions and walked away with a closed Indy and bruised fingers -- I suspect I'm either doing it wrong, or the Indy's welded shut by dust. |
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| 13:13.28 | abrotman | Jordy: every time i've tried a tftp install .. it's not worked |
| 13:13.35 | eowo | i doen chmod a=rwx on the folder and files |
| 13:13.42 | abrotman | Jordy: you're doing something wrong :) |
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| 13:14.27 | abrotman | Jordy: it has no froppy drive either ? |
| 13:14.27 | nerverfeltsolost | i get back: Disk /dev/hdd: 1769.3 GB, 1769318342656 bytes |
| 13:14.27 | nerverfeltsolost | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 215107 cylinders |
| 13:14.27 | nerverfeltsolost | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 13:14.27 | nerverfeltsolost | Disk /dev/hdd doesn't contain a valid partition table |
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| 13:14.27 | eowo | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11913 2005-07-31 04:28 header_01.jpg |
| 13:14.27 | GojiraTx | I hope someone can help me...my system hangs when it tries to load LILO. |
| 13:14.27 | Jordy | abrotman: No floptical drive, either. Unless it detached itself and fell into the case, which would explain the rattling noise. |
| 13:14.27 | mage_ | cn: apt-get install java-package |
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| 13:14.27 | findme | eowo, I think you need indexes option in your apache config file. Check #apache |
| 13:14.31 | shingouz | nerverfeltsolost: thou shalt not paste here |
| 13:14.39 | eowo | ok thank you for your help findme. |
| 13:14.44 | cn | mage : ok |
| 13:14.46 | cn | :) |
| 13:14.49 | shingouz | nerverfeltsolost: in anycase, there is nothing on the drive for you to mount, it is not even partitioned |
| 13:14.56 | Jordy | abrotman: By the way, how did your previous tftp installs fail? |
| 13:15.02 | abrotman | Jordy: nm .. no floppy images |
| 13:15.05 | findme | eowo, didn't do much, but check INDEXES option in your config file. |
| 13:15.14 | abrotman | Jordy: probably because i'm stupid .. and it was an alpha :) |
| 13:15.17 | nerverfeltsolost | but i used it under windows without problems |
| 13:15.25 | FieldySnuts | yeah, that matters. |
| 13:15.36 | GojiraTx | hello? |
| 13:15.38 | shingouz | nerverfeltsolost: "contains no valid partition table" <-- just what it says |
| 13:15.48 | findme | eowo, http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web/Web_Servers/Apache/Q_20319588.html |
| 13:16.05 | abrotman | GojiraTx: welcome to uncle bob's wacky fun show .. watch your step .. and don't sit in the goo .. have a good time |
| 13:16.29 | valdyn | nerverfeltsolost: what kind of drive? we've already had issues with partitions that are found on windows but not on linux before.. |
| 13:16.31 | nerverfeltsolost | hm, any other possability. i dint do anything with that drive since i last accessed on it in windows |
| 13:16.39 | petemc | nerverfeltsolost: your drive claims to be nearly 2 terabytes |
| 13:17.04 | Jordy | abrotman: Have you ever opened an Indy case? Was it really hard to get it to move? |
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| 13:17.12 | GojiraTx | I had a question...my system is hanging when it tries to start LILO. Is there anyway to fix that? |
| 13:17.13 | shaunw | if you download images with jigdo, do you need to put all 14.jigdo files in to the batch file to get a cd set? |
| 13:17.19 | shingouz | petemc: good catch, i didn't even look at the units there |
| 13:17.19 | nerverfeltsolost | its a seagate barracuda 120 GB harddrive |
| 13:17.23 | abrotman | Jordy: i used to own an indigo2 .. not the same obviously .. but the case was a chore |
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| 13:17.29 | valdyn | nerverfeltsolost: connected how? |
| 13:17.45 | cn | mage_: there isn't java-package |
| 13:17.45 | nerverfeltsolost | the second ide connector |
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| 13:18.26 | Jordy | abrotman: I guess I'll just have to try again. Wearing gloves, or something. Thanks for the help. |
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| 13:18.44 | valdyn | nerverfeltsolost: i know nothing about it then, i'd back up the data and repartition. |
| 13:18.45 | abrotman | Jordy: or find a friend who plays guitar to try .. they usually have strong hands |
| 13:18.58 | abrotman | that sounds .. wrong .. |
| 13:18.59 | caphuso | damn, IRC isn't fun without your very own customized environment :-( |
| 13:19.05 | abrotman | i'm a guitar player .. stop reading into that :!?!!? |
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| 13:19.12 | Jason_ | hello, world |
| 13:19.17 | abrotman | caphuso: you're alive! |
| 13:19.30 | nerverfeltsolost | ok, thanks for your help anyways |
| 13:19.38 | Jason_ | can anyone there see "www.productionttube.net"? |
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| 13:19.49 | stew | cn: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:19.54 | nerverfeltsolost | bye |
| 13:19.58 | caphuso | abrotman: yeah, but crippled |
| 13:20.04 | abrotman | caphuso: really? |
| 13:20.07 | Jason_ | i meant "www.productiontube.net" |
| 13:20.28 | cn | stew: netinst |
| 13:20.48 | abrotman | Jason_: the DNS works .. web does not |
| 13:20.49 | shingouz | Jason_: it would be easier if you left the quotations off.... ;) |
| 13:20.49 | caphuso | stupid laptop keyboard, fuckin' windows and unbearable chatzilla... not a pleasant combination |
| 13:20.57 | cn | stew: before sarge now testing |
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| 13:21.04 | petemc | !comfort caphuso |
| 13:21.05 | abrotman | caphuso: win32 xchat is not that bad |
| 13:21.06 | dpkg | There, there, caphuso. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:21.07 | shingouz | caphuso: need a beer? |
| 13:21.24 | Jason_ | abrotman, so it gives you an error message? |
| 13:21.37 | valdyn | Jason_: 10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 9000ms |
| 13:21.37 | abrotman | Jason_: yeah .. can't connect :) |
| 13:21.48 | valdyn | Jason_: PING www.productiontube.net (68.250.41.155) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 13:21.50 | caphuso | abrotman: sucks just as much. it's not irssi... |
| 13:21.53 | abrotman | see .. valdyn did a better test |
| 13:22.14 | petemc | caphuso: you dont have a box to ssh to? |
| 13:22.16 | abrotman | caphuso: dunno .. i think it's ok .. but i think xchat for linux is fine .. |
| 13:22.18 | caphuso | shingouz: no. got work to do later :-( |
| 13:22.21 | Jason_ | valdyn, well, i can see it from my local network |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | Jason_: we can't .. fix it! |
| 13:22.42 | Jason_ | abrotman, i know |
| 13:22.44 | Jason_ | this sux |
| 13:22.55 | valdyn | Jason_: if its part of your local network then that diagnosis is nearly meaningless.. |
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| 13:23.31 | caphuso | petemc: none that's reliable enough for IRC |
| 13:24.00 | GojiraTx | what's the protocol here for asking for help? |
| 13:24.10 | petemc | GojiraTx: /msg dpkg ask |
| 13:24.25 | r3m0t | GojiraTx: you need to stand on your head first |
| 13:24.26 | r3m0t | (: |
| 13:24.34 | GojiraTx | ok...standing on my head |
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| 13:24.48 | stew | cn: you need contrib ; /msg dpkg java-package ; /msg dpkg contrib |
| 13:24.50 | r3m0t | O: that was all too easy. |
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| 13:25.15 | GojiraTx | how can I fix LILO? can't boot |
| 13:25.33 | r3m0t | first, sit the right way up. then tell us what you see |
| 13:25.33 | abrotman | vagueness!!! |
| 13:25.35 | findme | !broke |
| 13:25.51 | GojiraTx | it gets as far as LI then hangs |
| 13:25.54 | r3m0t | !broke GojiraTx |
| 13:25.57 | abrotman | !li |
| 13:25.57 | petemc | GojiraTx: if you dont have access to a working kernel, use a boot disc |
| 13:25.59 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 13:26.04 | r3m0t | *shurg* |
| 13:26.30 | GojiraTx | it was running until I did an apt-get to upgrade lilo...now it doesn't boot |
| 13:26.44 | abrotman | you need a rescue disk .. boot .. run lilo |
| 13:27.23 | GojiraTx | is a rescue disk image on the web site? I did an network install about two years ago. |
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| 13:27.41 | MrLaminar | hie everyone |
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| 13:28.28 | MrLaminar | does anyone have any experience with the ultrasparc version of debian? |
| 13:28.30 | resiak | GojiraTx: Just get a livecd. |
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| 13:30.15 | cn | i've downloaded manually java-package_0.25_all.deb |
| 13:30.16 | stew | !tell GojiraTx about ask |
| 13:30.19 | debian | !test |
| 13:30.20 | dpkg | Sorry, debian, I didn't get your test. |
| 13:30.30 | cn | now apt-get installa java-package... ? |
| 13:30.44 | valdyn | cn: why did you download it manually ? |
| 13:30.44 | stew | damb lag |
| 13:31.04 | valdyn | !info java-package sarge |
| 13:31.06 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 13:31.24 | stew | cn: did you /msg dpkg contrib? |
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| 13:31.31 | stew | cn: did you /msg dpkg java-package? |
| 13:31.34 | cn | stew yes |
| 13:31.35 | Starfury | where are the logs for the xserver kept? |
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| 13:31.42 | cn | sure |
| 13:31.42 | Starfury | \var\log |
| 13:31.45 | abrotman | /var/log ... oddly enough |
| 13:31.51 | moparfan90_ | how do you configure openbox? |
| 13:31.51 | Starfury | whats the file name hto |
| 13:31.52 | Starfury | tho |
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| 13:32.03 | Jason_ | abrotman, could you try it again? www.productiontube.net |
| 13:32.05 | abrotman | XFree86.0.log |
| 13:32.09 | Starfury | ts |
| 13:32.11 | Starfury | ta |
| 13:32.18 | stew | cn: you didn't need to download it manualy, just apt-get install java-package |
| 13:32.29 | abrotman | Jason_: no workie |
| 13:32.41 | cn | but i don't how modify sources to contrib |
| 13:32.52 | cn | sources.list |
| 13:33.21 | cn | don't know* |
| 13:33.23 | valdyn | cn: add 'contrib' to the source line(s) containing 'main' |
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| 13:33.32 | stew | cn: you mean you don't know how to modify or you don't know what modifications to make? |
| 13:33.34 | moparfan90_ | how do you configure the openbox window managewr????? |
| 13:33.59 | nkuttler | moparfan90_: /usr/share/doc/openbox/? |
| 13:34.08 | cn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.08 | cn | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 13:34.08 | cn | deb http://freedom.dicea.unifi.it/ftp/pub/linux/debian/ testing main |
| 13:34.24 | cn | deb-src http://freedom.dicea.unifi.it/ftp/pub/linux/debian/ testing main |
| 13:34.24 | cn | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 13:34.25 | Starfury | hmmmm the xserver wont start and the last error i got was "Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!" also when it says it cant start it with blue screen and asks if i want to see the log it locks the system up too, is that gfx card hardware failure? |
| 13:34.34 | moparfan90_ | no when i ight click theres a boton obconfig... but i cant open it |
| 13:34.44 | drac | cn: Make that "main contrib non-free" instead of "main", and remove whole security line. |
| 13:34.51 | valdyn | cn: so add contrib to each of those lines ( the last 3 lines ) |
| 13:34.57 | Starfury | its done the same in two different boxes only same thing is the HD/Install and the GFX card] |
| 13:35.02 | abrotman | debhelper: wake up |
| 13:35.17 | abrotman | Starfury: apt-get install xfs |
| 13:35.35 | cn | contrib or contrib non-free |
| 13:35.36 | stew | those sources are messed up. mixed sarge and testing, ewww |
| 13:36.02 | Starfury | abrotman, whats likely to have caused it to uninstall... ? |
| 13:36.09 | drac | stew: where do you see sarge in those sources.. ? |
| 13:36.16 | abrotman | btw .. i'm soooo fucking pissed . they closed the KFC in my town!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:36.17 | stew | oh |
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| 13:36.20 | valdyn | cn: if you want non-free software add non-free, if you just need contrib software add just contrib.. |
| 13:36.21 | Starfury | lol |
| 13:36.21 | stew | nm |
| 13:36.23 | abrotman | Starfury: it didn't |
| 13:36.40 | Starfury | we call it chicken, you think its chicken, lets just call it chicken |
| 13:36.54 | abrotman | all i wanted for dinner last night was meat .. but i was too tired after driving hour .. ride 20 .. back an hour .. but nooooo .. they were gone! |
| 13:36.58 | cn | valdyn java is non -free? |
| 13:37.14 | Starfury | apt xfs |
| 13:37.14 | apt | i guess xfs is a journaling file system |
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| 13:37.19 | valdyn | cn: java is not in any debian repository so why does that matter |
| 13:37.20 | abrotman | stew: btw .. biking with people who don't go anywhere nearly as quickly paced as you're used to ... seriously blows |
| 13:37.29 | abrotman | Starfury: wrong xfs |
| 13:37.42 | Starfury | k |
| 13:37.43 | stew | abrotman: i got on my bike yesterday for the first time in like 3 weeks, i'm a wimp now |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | Starfury: apt-cache show xfs |
| 13:38.07 | Starfury | installed it already |
| 13:38.08 | abrotman | stew: i did 20 yesterday .. but 16 of it .. was so slow .. my mom could have kept up :) |
| 13:38.15 | stew | abrotman: did lots of running and swimming, but that doesn't help with biking at all |
| 13:38.18 | Starfury | it said reselecting preiously deslected package |
| 13:38.22 | stew | abrotman: i did 20 yesterday to, probably do 30 today |
| 13:38.25 | abrotman | stew: admittedly .. the guy who was slow .. does need the exercise |
| 13:38.30 | stew | heh |
| 13:38.30 | Starfury | excuse the lame typing i am sat on the floor |
| 13:38.31 | barongas | The debian package for Basiliskii doesn't seem to install the sheep_net properly. And it won't compile. Anyone know if I need any special libs to compile this kind of netdriver? |
| 13:38.46 | stew | abrotman: yeah riding with very slow people can get old fast |
| 13:38.48 | abrotman | stew: i'm not sure i will .. i should go again .. i should see if i can get another guy to do some .... |
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| 13:39.09 | abrotman | stew: may not help the riding .. but alternating is good |
| 13:39.47 | abrotman | Starfury: and you restarted the X server ? |
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| 13:39.59 | Starfury | startx woudltn work so i just rebooted |
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| 13:40.01 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i know. but i think alternating during the week is better than alternating months :) |
| 13:40.05 | Starfury | said unknown command |
| 13:40.07 | abrotman | stew: nice that it's not so hot .. of course .. i see it's supposed to get hot again tomorrow :) |
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| 13:40.22 | stew | which means i'll probably be on the treadmill in the AC again tomorrow |
| 13:40.24 | abrotman | stew: yeah . alternating good |
| 13:40.24 | Starfury | here goes |
| 13:40.31 | cn | ok now works apt-get |
| 13:40.42 | Starfury | it flicks to nvidia then back to tty1 |
| 13:40.47 | Starfury | 3 times |
| 13:40.48 | abrotman | to nvidia? |
| 13:40.58 | Starfury | nvidia flash screen |
| 13:41.09 | abrotman | stew: err .. i guess it's tuesday |
| 13:41.13 | abrotman | tomorrow should be ok |
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| 13:41.18 | cn | after apt-get install java-package i have installed java? |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | Starfury: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 13:41.24 | Starfury | i cannot start the xserver blah would you like to diag etc |
| 13:41.42 | valdyn | cn: /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 13:41.55 | valdyn | cn: or apt-cache show java-package |
| 13:41.57 | abrotman | !tell cn about install java |
| 13:42.05 | Mondoshawan | has somebody a sample ftpd.conf file for "ftpd" server? i need to activate PASV mode on my ftpd |
| 13:42.06 | Starfury | its been working fine for over a year abrotman |
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| 13:42.25 | Starfury | now on blue screen and system has completely locjed |
| 13:42.28 | abrotman | Starfury: did you install a new kernel ? |
| 13:42.31 | valdyn | Starfury: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 13:42.50 | valdyn | Starfury: ( or 'grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log' ) |
| 13:42.52 | Starfury | abrotman, yeah a few days back and i recompiled the drivers for the new kernel |
| 13:42.59 | abrotman | ok ... |
| 13:43.05 | Starfury | valdyn, gotta reboot into recovery first |
| 13:43.14 | Starfury | abrotman, and its been working... |
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| 13:43.34 | abrotman | Starfury: check the EE lines |
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| 13:43.42 | Starfury | i had issues with a network card going mad with actvitiy (hardware before os loads) so i rebooted it and its been happening since |
| 13:43.45 | Starfury | there are no ee |
| 13:43.51 | Starfury | oh |
| 13:43.55 | Starfury | in Xorg |
| 13:43.58 | Starfury | hmmm |
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| 13:43.59 | Starfury | one min |
| 13:44.02 | valdyn | Starfury: there certainly are EEs |
| 13:44.06 | Starfury | lol |
| 13:44.10 | Starfury | not in XFree86 |
| 13:44.15 | Starfury | but not checked the xorg |
| 13:44.15 | FieldySnuts | plonk |
| 13:44.15 | valdyn | Starfury: and if its just the lines explaining what EE means.. |
| 13:44.29 | Starfury | let me get to a prompt and i will tell you |
| 13:44.30 | peppo | I recently upgraded to xorg 6.8.2 from XFree86 4.3 in Debian (unstable), and I have two monitors. suddenly windows maximize over both monitors, not the current one. I do not want this behaviour (GNOME 2.10.2, xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4). here is the relevant part of xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/325990 |
| 13:45.15 | valdyn | peppo: that is just what twinview and metamodes does.... |
| 13:45.21 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you reached the limit of your client yet? |
| 13:45.49 | FieldySnuts | no i clear it out daily |
| 13:45.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:45.55 | valdyn | peppo: dont use any of this, read nvidias howto |
| 13:46.12 | peppo | valdyn, no. this didn't happen with xfree86 4.3.2! |
| 13:46.37 | valdyn | peppo: hmm, you want xinerama but you do not want windows to maximise over both screens? |
| 13:46.48 | Jason_ | abrotman, i fixed it..i had tp update my dns server..it should work soon |
| 13:46.58 | Jason_ | abrotman, thankyou for your time |
| 13:47.18 | peppo | valdyn, kwin for example, does not maxaimize over both screens |
| 13:47.22 | peppo | valdyn, I'm not using xinerama. |
| 13:47.30 | peppo | valdyn, I am using two monitors with twinview. |
| 13:47.45 | cn | well steve: i need to add fakeroot? |
| 13:47.59 | cn | or only make-jpkg |
| 13:48.00 | Starfury | OK here goes: "Could not init font path element /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo, removing from list"........ then some bumf, then Fatal server error, Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
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| 13:48.09 | valdyn | peppo: alright, its likely an issue whith your window manager then. |
| 13:48.09 | abrotman | Jason_: yay |
| 13:48.15 | valdyn | peppo: metacity i guess |
| 13:48.18 | peppo | valdyn, that'd be metacity |
| 13:48.36 | peppo | which ought to be up-to-date with xorg one would think |
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| 13:49.28 | peppo | it's at 2.10.3, which seems to be somewhat recent |
| 13:49.40 | Starfury | signal 11 is a segmentation fault isnt it? |
| 13:49.48 | abrotman | and bad |
| 13:50.02 | TyreseJones | how can connect my computer to another X-server? I want to view the screens on my thinclient server |
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| 13:50.34 | Starfury | abrotman, any ideA? |
| 13:50.41 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 13:50.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 13:51.06 | Starfury | i know that bit i read it off dpkg :) |
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| 13:51.16 | abrotman | TyreseJones: what kind of server? |
| 13:51.20 | Starfury | its not failing ram as its doing it in two completely differnet systems, |
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| 13:51.29 | Starfury | with different ram, cpu, mobo |
| 13:51.39 | Bizzeh | hey, does debain sarge install cd start an sshd by default? |
| 13:51.47 | Starfury | only thing the same is the install, hard drive and graphics card |
| 13:51.48 | valdyn | peppo: i dont see a gconf setting for metacity applying to maximising windows, so uh, i'd check with the bts and upstream |
| 13:51.49 | abrotman | Starfury: why don't you try to stop using the nvidia drvers .. try vesa .. see if it still happens |
| 13:52.02 | abrotman | Bizzeh: the install CD ? |
| 13:52.11 | Starfury | is it still hte xf86config file for the xorg? |
| 13:52.11 | Bizzeh | so i can do an install without having to have a keyboard or monitor |
| 13:52.12 | TyreseJones | abrotman: It's a thin client server, running under debian - i just want to make sure that i can connect remotly. I've having problems getting my clients to boot |
| 13:52.13 | Bizzeh | yes |
| 13:52.14 | abrotman | Bizzeh: or the installed system ? |
| 13:52.20 | Bizzeh | install cd |
| 13:52.38 | abrotman | Bizzeh: not by default .. i think you can start one if you go into expert mode |
| 13:52.39 | peppo | valdyn, yeah, i just checked gconf... |
| 13:52.48 | Bizzeh | cant do that |
| 13:52.54 | valdyn | peppo: since kwin seems to do the right thing however and metacity does not, the source of error does seem clear.. |
| 13:52.57 | Bizzeh | damit, no linux dist does this anymore |
| 13:53.00 | Bizzeh | they all used to do it |
| 13:53.03 | abrotman | TyreseJones: X forwarding over ssh ? |
| 13:53.17 | TyreseJones | abrotman: No, i'm on the same subnet |
| 13:53.18 | abrotman | Bizzeh: why not? ... |
| 13:53.21 | peppo | valdyn, I can't believe metacity can't be made to work with this |
| 13:53.28 | peppo | valdyn, given that it worked fiine with xfree86 4.3.2 |
| 13:53.33 | Bizzeh | i have a amd k6-2 500 system with no gfx card and a broken keyboard port and no usb |
| 13:53.41 | abrotman | !tell TyreseJones about remote x |
| 13:53.47 | Bizzeh | so i wanna set it up over ssh to be a small server |
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| 13:54.00 | grendel | hello everyone.... |
| 13:54.06 | abrotman | Bizzeh: so put a display on it for 5 minutes |
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| 13:54.20 | TyreseJones | abrotman: thanks |
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| 13:54.47 | grendel | does anyone know what I need to do in debian unstable with dual monitors to make windows maximize only on one monitor and not on both ? |
| 13:55.00 | Bizzeh | abrotman: with no gfx card... and no pci gfx cards around me |
| 13:55.03 | moparfan90_ | is sarge stable |
| 13:55.08 | grendel | I just to have that feature, I upgraded and now the expand through the whole screen. |
| 13:55.18 | Bizzeh | and then, how would i give input with a broken ps/2 port |
| 13:55.36 | abrotman | Bizzeh: does your bios beep when there's no display? |
| 13:55.44 | Bizzeh | no |
| 13:55.50 | abrotman | Bizzeh: who knows .. maybe it would start a serial console .... but i doubt it |
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| 13:56.14 | valdyn | peppo: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors, look at the very bottom |
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| 13:56.40 | Starfury | where does xchat in linux store its server list and configuration files? |
| 13:56.56 | grendel | valdyn, thanks.. |
| 13:57.10 | peppo | valdyn, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320589 |
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| 13:57.25 | abrotman | Starfury: ~/.xchat2 |
| 13:57.45 | Starfury | in home..? |
| 13:57.47 | Starfury | k |
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| 13:57.53 | valdyn | peppo: so maybe just enable xinerama? |
| 13:57.59 | Starfury | got em |
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| 13:58.14 | peppo | valdyn, no, twinview emulates xinerama |
| 13:58.17 | peppo | valdyn, it's a metacity bug |
| 13:58.19 | TyreseJones | i've having some issues with my thin clients - they get thier IP address just fine, but for some reason, they just won't download anything via TFTP |
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| 13:58.32 | valdyn | peppo: yea |
| 13:58.39 | Atula | when I saw that my car has a parking ticket last night, I decided to just leave it there and go watch a movie with my girl, when I came out.... the ticket is gone... dang, now I'm a bit worried... |
| 13:58.53 | moebius | hid3, i've just upgraded my debian to kernel 2.6.12, and now I'm flooded by a lot of these messages: kernel: ip_local_deliver: bad skb: PRE_ROUTING LOCAL_IN LOCAL_OUT POST_ROUTING kernel: skb: pf=2 (unowned) dev=lo len=40 |
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| 13:59.03 | moebius | *hi |
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| 13:59.30 | cmihai | moebius: so boot in 2.6.11 and enjoy. |
| 13:59.51 | moebius | cmihai, is it a known issue? |
| 14:00.18 | cmihai | Check the bug tracking lists... |
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| 14:00.45 | OleMoudi | how long it takes aprox to compile a kernel on a 3Ghz machine ? Just to know if I have to plan it in advance because it takes very long time |
| 14:00.52 | cmihai | I upgraded to 2.6.12 myself, but never had time to boot it... it's still running 2.6.11. |
| 14:00.55 | drac | OleMoudi: 3 minutes |
| 14:01.01 | drac | OleMoudi: or less |
| 14:01.04 | cmihai | OleMoudi: depends on your config. A few minutes. |
| 14:01.05 | fatal__ | OleMoudi: depends heavily on how much features you include. |
| 14:01.09 | moebius | i've already checked, and somebody wrote that disabling netfilter_debug should stop these messages, but it didnt |
| 14:01.11 | drac | and that :) |
| 14:01.20 | peppo | thanks for the help valdyn |
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| 14:03.25 | HolyGoat | damn, mldonkey-server is a memory beast. |
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| 14:06.34 | me_here | how can i prevent the message load of my firewall (kmyfirewall) at boot time and later on my tty's ? |
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| 14:07.16 | me_here | it's ugly, overwrites everything |
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| 14:07.21 | Starfury | how far behind sid is woody? |
| 14:07.31 | shakeadilic | hello all you debian people, i have a problem with my resolution. after installation i have a resolution of 800 600 px. but i would lik to have 1280 1024. ive tried to add the information to the XF86Config-4 file, but after restarting i only got weired things to see. i have a HIS Excalibur Radeon 7000 gfx adapter with two outputs and a s-video output. any suggestions how to fix that, do i need special drivers? |
| 14:08.09 | Anthro | Can someone explain to me why Azureus, with all its fanciness and wonder, can't get better than 15k/s from a torrent that btdownloadcurses manages over 300k/s on? |
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| 14:08.43 | cmihai | Anthro: it can't connect to the trackers? |
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| 14:09.09 | cmihai | Are you on NAT Anthro / |
| 14:09.30 | valdyn | Anthro: bittorrent does not work deterministic that way, you'll need more tests to compare |
| 14:09.32 | nkuttler | Starfury: woody is the _old_ stable release, it's more or less obsolete now |
| 14:09.44 | Starfury | ok |
| 14:09.48 | valdyn | Anthro: ( or longer test(s) ) |
| 14:09.54 | Starfury | whats the current stable release and how far is it behind unstable? |
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| 14:10.06 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 14:10.06 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 14:11.10 | Anthro | cmihai: Yes, I'm on a NAT. And I have the appropriate ports forwarded, both for Azureus and vanilla bittorrent. |
| 14:11.12 | Starfury | i am going to do a new install and wondering if i should stay on unstable or go back to stable |
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| 14:11.28 | Anthro | valdyn: I have experienced the same issues with numerous torrents from numerous sources. |
| 14:11.52 | websdale | Starfury:try testing as a compromise :) |
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| 14:12.00 | cmihai | Anthro: does Azureus tell you something about that? There's some yellow / red / green lights that tell you if it can connect to the trackers right. If it's yellow, it's slow as hell. |
| 14:12.07 | Anthro | Starfury: Start with stable. If, in some way, it doesn't suit your needs you can always upgrade later. |
| 14:12.29 | cmihai | Haven't bothered much with Azureus anyway, btdownloadcurses.py is all I need here. Maybe bittornado.curses. |
| 14:12.33 | shakeadilic | noone any idea according to my gfx problem? i would be thankful for any advice. iv searched on google, but could find anything helpful, i am completely new to debian/linux |
| 14:12.44 | GojiraTx | if I install a new version of Debian over my current one, will it just upgrade the OS and leave existing files alone or will it wipe the disk? |
| 14:12.50 | Anthro | cmihai: Nope, happy and grteen. Just fucking slow. in this case, it lists 40ish peers as "fully established" and the swarm is large and healthy. |
| 14:13.08 | nkuttler | shakeadilic: /msg dpkg resolution |
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| 14:13.16 | valdyn | GojiraTx: installing will erase your old install, upgrading is done by explicitely upgrading. |
| 14:13.20 | valdyn | !upgrade |
| 14:13.20 | dpkg | from memory, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 14:13.21 | Starfury | i could probably run on stable to be honest i only use it for web and irc :) |
| 14:13.42 | GojiraTx | does the installer ask or does it assume new install? |
| 14:13.47 | Anthro | cmihai: Well, I like the Azureus interface and the various information screens it provides, but it's dog slow. |
| 14:13.53 | valdyn | GojiraTx: the installer is not an upgrader |
| 14:14.01 | nkuttler | shakeadilic: or /msg dpkg set up x |
| 14:14.15 | Anthro | cmihai: I started wth btdownloadcurses, and it's looking like I'll be going back to it. |
| 14:14.15 | valdyn | GojiraTx: you dont use any installer to upgrade, apt-get ( or aptitude ) is for that. |
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| 14:14.26 | Anthro | Starfury: So stick to stable until your needs change. |
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| 14:15.05 | valdyn | GojiraTx: what are you trying to upgrade to what? |
| 14:15.22 | linoleum | hello , what is the command line, to set up the level of question when you install a package : dpkg-reconfigure ????? |
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| 14:16.20 | Penix | wenas |
| 14:16.23 | valdyn | linoleum: debconf |
| 14:16.45 | linoleum | yeaa tkx :) |
| 14:17.09 | linoleum | bye |
| 14:17.19 | shakeadilic | nkuttler: thanks for the advice. i tried the things, who where listed ther, but when i change my resolution the whole picture is completly messed up. what should i do? |
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| 14:17.48 | findme | how do i build a web page quiz? |
| 14:17.50 | nkuttler | shakeadilic: don't change it, start with the size you want? |
| 14:18.25 | GojiraTx | my system hangs at lilo...just trying to boot the system somehow or replace lilo |
| 14:18.26 | nkuttler | findme: learn html, perl, php, whatever |
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| 14:18.46 | shakeadilic | i try that. but when i dit the last time it was also completly messed up... but i try it once more |
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| 14:18.57 | findme | nkuttler, I know all that, don't want to code, kind of like docbook. Xml pages, write there run shell done. |
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| 14:19.28 | nkuttler | findme: ah, don't know of such a thing |
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| 14:19.50 | findme | nkuttler, no worries, I am sure you are aware of docboook though. |
| 14:20.16 | nkuttler | findme: you didn't say irc quiz :) |
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| 14:20.40 | astronut | what's every 20 minutes in cron? */20 * * * * foo? |
| 14:20.58 | Spark | im having problems with vsound on debian (vsound is an LD_PRELOAD hack to intercept /dev/dsp IO and route to a file), apps, e.g. dd do not seem to call the overridden open() function, is it possible they are inlined, can i get around this without compiling dd again? (ultimately i need to vsound firefox) |
| 14:21.04 | findme | astronut, afaik, 0,20,40,60 |
| 14:21.18 | astronut | findme: can't you do the / one? |
| 14:21.51 | nkuttler | astronut: man 5 crontab helps |
| 14:22.13 | drac | astronut: what you said first, was correct |
| 14:22.26 | PeterB | findme: 60 isn't a valid value. |
| 14:22.44 | astronut | drac: thanks |
| 14:22.53 | astronut | nkuttler: have it open, didn't see /s but have seen others using them |
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| 14:23.06 | astronut | oh wait, yes i do see it in page |
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| 14:23.50 | shakeadilic | how do i restart the server which does my grafikal output (xserver), without rebooting my system |
| 14:23.52 | valdyn | astronut: 0-59/20 * * * * |
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| 14:24.12 | astronut | valdyn: * is supposed to be valid |
| 14:24.15 | astronut | */20 * * * * pgrep pppd >/dev/null|| pon |
| 14:24.19 | astronut | i found it in the manpage |
| 14:24.21 | GojiraTx | so, is there no way to replace the boot record with a fresh install of lilo without wiping out the disk with a new install? |
| 14:24.22 | astronut | does that look right? |
| 14:24.25 | Jordy | I just tried to pry my Indy open with a flathead screwdriver. I think it's cursed. |
| 14:24.27 | drac | */20 * * * * IS correct. |
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| 14:24.32 | nkuttler | shakeadilic: ctrl+alt+backspace kills it |
| 14:24.34 | valdyn | astronut: possibly, just know that above line works. |
| 14:24.52 | astronut | well it didn't yell at me when i saved it |
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| 14:26.09 | Spark | could someone test vsound on their system so we can see if its just my system where there is a problem |
| 14:26.12 | Spark | just something like vsound -v dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp bs=1024 count=10 |
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| 14:26.16 | Starfury | whats the difference tehn beyween xfree86 and xorg? |
| 14:26.28 | positrix | can someone recommend a good book for learning regexps? |
| 14:26.32 | Slippy | Starfury: license and some extentions |
| 14:26.47 | valdyn | GojiraTx: boot any linux, mount your root filesystem ( and /boot in that if you have that extra ), chroot to it, run lilo |
| 14:26.50 | Starfury | is xorg replacing xfree86 |
| 14:26.58 | FieldySnuts | slowly but surely, yes |
| 14:26.59 | Slippy | Starfury: yes |
| 14:27.11 | Starfury | is it in stable yet |
| 14:27.11 | r3m0t | Starfury: me too! I mean, "yes" |
| 14:27.34 | valdyn | Starfury: why dont you look yourself? |
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| 14:27.49 | positrix | Starfury: no, not yet. |
| 14:27.56 | Spark | vsound doesnt work on any of my debian systems :/ |
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| 14:28.04 | enyc | Hrrrm..... Version: 1.0.4-2 |
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| 14:28.27 | Starfury | valdyn, coz its easier to ask people who know |
| 14:28.35 | valdyn | Spark: firefox already has pluggable audio, so why does it need to be vsound? |
| 14:28.40 | enyc | Is debian sarge mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2 patched to include firefox-1.0.5/1.0.6 security-fixes [?] |
| 14:28.44 | Spark | valdyn: libflash |
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| 14:28.54 | Spark | valdyn: does that go through firefox's audio system? |
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| 14:29.18 | enyc | I don't remember seeing any DSA's abuot firefox recently... |
| 14:29.37 | r3m0t | scridget |
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| 14:30.22 | barongas | How do I select which gcc version I want to use as standard in debian= |
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| 14:30.41 | goccia | Starfury: i'ìm running sarge on a old pII : yesterday i've installed xorg from unstable and later reinstalled xfree : my system still working but i did not notice any speed improvement |
| 14:31.04 | grendel | does anyone know how to prevent new windows to gain the focus? this is extremely annoying... |
| 14:31.12 | valdyn | goccia: thats as expected for most cases. |
| 14:31.20 | valdyn | Spark: no idea. |
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| 14:31.44 | goccia | valdyn: the thing is : sarge rocks :) |
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| 14:33.07 | shakeadilic | kletter: ive started the system with a new resolution, but it was totaly messed up. so ive undo my changes any idea how i get this working |
| 14:33.25 | Starfury | well the only change i have done to my xserver is move from xfree86 to xorg and it aint working anymore |
| 14:33.32 | Starfury | i dont know if my gfx card is gone |
| 14:33.36 | Starfury | so i will try a new install |
| 14:33.44 | goccia | shakeadilic: are you running kde ? |
| 14:33.50 | shakeadilic | yes |
| 14:33.53 | goccia | so |
| 14:34.04 | FieldySnuts | @badger |
| 14:34.05 | ravenbird | it has been said that badger is something to do with bodger... and mashed potato!!! |
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| 14:34.16 | goccia | it freeze whit funny colours ? |
| 14:34.45 | shakeadilic | yea, it ist like the picture goes through a blender before displaying |
| 14:35.16 | goccia | shakeadilic: try some bloody ticks in that f* control center :) |
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| 14:35.37 | shakeadilic | like what, iam a total noob |
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| 14:35.54 | nico__ | hi |
| 14:36.04 | shakeadilic | but i think is has soemthign to do with the driver |
| 14:36.11 | positrix | shakeadilic: ctrl-alt-plus a few times shouldchange your res, just cycle through them till you find one that works |
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| 14:36.40 | shakeadilic | there is only one resolution that works, and that is 800x600 |
| 14:36.56 | shakeadilic | every other resolution brings weird things on my monitor |
| 14:37.12 | shakeadilic | and i need x |
| 14:37.24 | shakeadilic | 1280x1024 |
| 14:38.28 | barongas | I seem to be trying to compile something that doesn't compile under gcc4. Is there a way to tell the Makefile to use another version? |
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| 14:40.01 | elwood | hi all |
| 14:40.05 | goccia | shakeadilic: check what the f* control center say about the resolution : peripheral/display/screen size |
| 14:40.09 | elwood | someone using pam_usb on debian? |
| 14:40.13 | stevarino | heh, i have a very similar problem.. gnome is not allowing me to set my display to any other resolution besides 640x480 (it takes 1024x768 naturally). any way i can force this change? |
| 14:40.28 | abrotman | !drxx stevarino |
| 14:40.30 | dpkg | stevarino: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:40.34 | abrotman | stevarino: pick only 1024 if that's what you want |
| 14:41.05 | Mindship-01 | Hi everyone. I'm back from my holidays and onto my problem again. How/where to change the control file of the kernel-source? |
| 14:41.07 | stevarino | abrotman: Thanks! |
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| 14:43.51 | stevarino | /msg dpkg !xmd5 |
| 14:44.14 | stew | without the ! |
| 14:44.16 | stevarino | oopps |
| 14:44.28 | abrotman | and actually a /msg :) |
| 14:44.35 | litage | when diff says something like "28a29" what does the 'a' mean? |
| 14:44.44 | stew | add a line |
| 14:44.49 | stevarino | yah i got that. scoldings not necessary, humiliation is complete :) |
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| 14:45.41 | findme | litage, man diff |
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| 14:45.52 | cn | thanks my jva works |
| 14:46.42 | litage | findme: i read through the manpage but it doesn't mention it |
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| 14:47.47 | clown | lo, just enabled sound, but "cat some.wav >/dev/dsp" does nothin. I checked mixer; seems ok. What else? |
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| 14:48.57 | TURK | hi all |
| 14:49.05 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 14:49.05 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 14:49.10 | stevarino | hm... about forcing gnome to a certain resolution, the files and commands dpkg gives me seem to be missing. any idea whats up? |
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| 14:49.41 | coywolf | anyone would correct my csh plz |
| 14:49.42 | coywolf | ? |
| 14:49.43 | TURK | i all.. dpkg gives errors and it does'nt remove postgresql |
| 14:49.51 | TURK | what can i do.. i want it to remove this |
| 14:49.51 | stevarino | dpkg-reconfigure is not found, but other dpkg commands are available (none similar though) |
| 14:50.39 | jetx | stevarino: sounds like it's not in your path, suppy the path or do su maybe |
| 14:51.06 | TURK | help me pls |
| 14:51.14 | findme | litage, afaik, append, a line was appended, c for change , d for deleted, i may be wrong so read.. a little |
| 14:51.34 | litage | thanks |
| 14:51.58 | TyreseJones | Is it possible to have more than one terminal server running, and have all the new clients logging onto the one with the least users? - Big question, i know, but just for future refrence |
| 14:52.00 | stevarino | jetx: haha! su did it! |
| 14:52.04 | TURK | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.08 | findme | litage, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff |
| 14:52.10 | stevarino | jetx: thanks! |
| 14:52.14 | jetx | np |
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| 14:52.44 | drac | Hey, what is "jasper", "jpeg2k", "jpeg 2000" ?! image format ? |
| 14:52.54 | jetx | TURK: try dselect, or if that fails, man dpkg --force-help' |
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| 14:53.48 | coywolf | anyone help me with csh |
| 14:53.48 | coywolf | ? |
| 14:54.12 | findme | coywolf, what is the issue just the issue ! not whole code debugging dude. Join #bash |
| 14:54.23 | shakeadilic | how can i rechoose my gfx-driver? what driver shoul i choose? i have got a HIS Excalibur Radeon 7000 with two outputs and a s-video output... thanks for any advise. |
| 14:54.35 | coywolf | findme, i mean csh, not sh |
| 14:54.40 | jetx | !hwinfo |
| 14:54.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 14:55.01 | jetx | errr |
| 14:55.12 | jetx | !drxx shakeadilic |
| 14:55.13 | dpkg | shakeadilic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 14:55.47 | stevarino | once dpkg-reconfigure has run and i've updated my display settings, how do i get the changes to display? |
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| 14:57.48 | shakeadilic | what busid should i set? never hurt of a busid... |
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| 14:58.10 | Starfury | i am doing an ftp transfer to a iis6 box, it opens the data connection and transfers the file but doesnt seem to be able to close it again |
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| 14:58.17 | jetx | shakeadilic: you can leave it blank for agp |
| 14:58.36 | abrotman | get a real ftp server :) |
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| 14:58.49 | Starfury | abrotman, that helps... no really cheers |
| 14:58.54 | Starfury | :) |
| 14:58.56 | jetx | Starfury: that may be 'passive' ftp |
| 14:59.02 | Starfury | its all internal |
| 14:59.05 | Starfury | lan |
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| 14:59.14 | Zizou | Hi...How do i configure my computer to acces internet from a usb modem? |
| 14:59.21 | Zizou | doc or somethig.... |
| 14:59.27 | Mindship-01 | Hi everyone. I'm back from my holidays and onto my problem again. How/where to change the control file of the kernel-source? |
| 14:59.27 | jetx | iis likes passive ftp i heard once upon a time |
| 14:59.42 | abrotman | Starfury: check the event log .. this isn't #windows .. you're having a windows problem |
| 14:59.45 | jetx | control file? |
| 15:00.51 | Mindship-01 | jetx: yes, for description etc. |
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| 15:02.57 | jtza8 | What is the easiest way to get fonts to have the right size in GTK apps? |
| 15:03.11 | jtza8 | (When you don't run Gnome) |
| 15:03.17 | jetx | hahaha |
| 15:03.27 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch ? |
| 15:03.33 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 15:03.33 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 15:03.44 | abrotman | !gtk font |
| 15:03.44 | Starfury | .tar file is a binary file yeah? |
| 15:03.44 | abrotman | hrm |
| 15:03.56 | jetx | Starfury: it's a zip file sorta |
| 15:04.08 | illustir | anybody know why i don't get any updates anymore (testing) ? |
| 15:04.08 | jetx | you're not worthy |
| 15:04.08 | Starfury | jetx binary over ascii |
| 15:04.08 | jetx | sacrifce a goat |
| 15:04.21 | goccia | jtza8: using a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file |
| 15:04.33 | jetx | ah yeah binary |
| 15:04.45 | Mindship-01 | jetx: who me? |
| 15:04.57 | jetx | no the goat was updates |
| 15:04.57 | jetx | you i know nothing |
| 15:05.10 | Starfury | cant work out why the debian ftp client is confirming completion of the file transfer and disconnecting |
| 15:05.10 | jetx | man make-kpkg maybe |
| 15:05.10 | abrotman | illustir: developers were on vacation last week |
| 15:05.15 | jetx | Starfury: iis like passive ftp |
| 15:05.17 | Mindship-01 | tried that jetx |
| 15:05.18 | jetx | likes |
| 15:05.20 | Starfury | i ahve tried both |
| 15:05.23 | illustir | aha |
| 15:05.24 | stevarino | do i have to restart something to get my resolution to change after a fix through dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 15:05.30 | Starfury | and i have done it in the past from this machine to it |
| 15:05.42 | jetx | restart the xserver |
| 15:05.43 | abrotman | stevarino: X ... |
| 15:05.57 | jetx | /etc/init.d/?dm restart functions |
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| 15:06.56 | Mindship-01 | perhaps its /usr/share/kernel-package/control? |
| 15:07.14 | Mindship-01 | but that's not very handy to compile multiple kernels |
| 15:07.24 | Mindship-01 | I prefer something more 'local' |
| 15:07.40 | jtza8 | Thanks for the help on the fonts... |
| 15:07.42 | stevarino | sorry guys, new to linux (but so far love debian - best i've tried)... how should i restart the xserver? |
| 15:07.51 | stevarino | i'm looking at init.d right now |
| 15:08.10 | bioanarchism | !thx |
| 15:08.10 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 15:08.32 | jtza8 | The quick way is to press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 15:08.37 | findme | stevarino, at prompt $startx ; at x-windows "ctrl+alt+backspace" |
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| 15:08.45 | jtza8 | stevarino, In an X session |
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| 15:10.07 | jetx | stevarino: yeah what i said would need a ?dm being installed |
| 15:10.11 | jetx | what findme/jtza8 said |
| 15:10.56 | m4lu6 | which file in proc/[pid] holds CPU usage information? |
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| 15:11.08 | Zizou | where can I get docummnetation on how to setup an usb modem? |
| 15:11.41 | abrotman | status maybe ? |
| 15:11.53 | abrotman | !usb modem |
| 15:12.00 | abrotman | see .. they don't exist |
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| 15:12.14 | m4lu6 | abrotman, not that i can see |
| 15:12.18 | nono31 | what is pure64? i read about amd64... and somewhere in the net they talk about pure64... But I did not get it yet? is that different from amd64? |
| 15:12.36 | jetx | Zizou: is this wireless, or jsut a dialup modem, or what (model# brand type protocol?) |
| 15:12.36 | m4lu6 | unless 100-SleepAVG is my cpu usage... |
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| 15:13.21 | abrotman | m4lu6: did you try reading .. like .. man top ? |
| 15:13.29 | m4lu6 | i'm thinking man proc. :) |
| 15:13.39 | m4lu6 | Aha. |
| 15:13.46 | m4lu6 | lookut that. |
| 15:13.53 | abrotman | nono31: pure64 is amd64 in all 64bit binaries .. there is another project called multiarch ... |
| 15:14.05 | abrotman | nono31: right now .. pure64 is the only optinos |
| 15:14.09 | abrotman | err option |
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| 15:14.55 | nono31 | abrotman: so When I'll get my amd64, i'll have to install pure64.... but all links are for amd64... I'm still a little bit confused... |
| 15:14.56 | Zizou | jetx, is a DSL modem, but my comp doesnt have an ethernet card... |
| 15:15.23 | gbrach | i'd like to see the text of a file as it is transfered over an ethernet connection with tcpdump but don't ever see any - i've used -X -s etc |
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| 15:16.22 | jetx | Zizou: model? brand? chipset? i can't help you with it, but i can help you ask the question :( |
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| 15:16.44 | abrotman | nono31: pure64 is part of amd64 ... it's the only option you currently have .. pure64 is what you want |
| 15:17.15 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 15:17.16 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 15:19.03 | Mindship-01 | I'm going to try making a debian/control from scratch. Should I post the results somewhere? |
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| 15:19.14 | kl4 | hi |
| 15:19.15 | nono31 | abrotman: was reading these already :-) so I just need to get http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/amd64/current/ a netinstall, install and it will transparent to me? |
| 15:19.30 | Zizou | jetx, well I dont know to much...Is a Strarbridge modem... |
| 15:21.56 | abrotman | nono31: that will install sid |
| 15:21.56 | m4lu6 | section 6a of the top manpage. funny. |
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| 15:21.56 | jtza8 | I installed the gnome-control-panel to change my fonts in GTK apps, it seems that if I click on it's "fonts" icon, it launches the gnome-settings-daemon. Which also changes my desktop's background. Which - to understate - I don't appreciate. |
| 15:21.56 | nono31 | abrotman: yeap, sid is waht I need! |
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| 15:21.57 | abrotman | nono31: sure ... give it a whirl .. btw ..sid has been a mess lately .. have fun :) |
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| 15:21.57 | Starfury | jetx, iso file just transferred fine, it doesnt like this tar file i made |
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| 15:21.58 | nono31 | abrotman: I'll receive my amd64 in 2 weeks... sid has been mess lately yes... but not broken! :-) |
| 15:21.59 | jtza8 | ... and font's don't look right without the gnome-settings-daemon running. |
| 15:22.08 | jetx | Starfury: i know nothing... but 'maybe' see what happens if you try a different client |
| 15:22.09 | abrotman | nono31: just so you're aware |
| 15:22.16 | jetx | tryp gftp |
| 15:22.16 | ralf | what ANNEX are UK adsl? |
| 15:22.25 | FieldySnuts | who's anne? |
| 15:22.38 | jetx | some xstar |
| 15:23.07 | Starfury | just trying changing owner of the file |
| 15:23.07 | Wojciech | Hi everyone. I'm currently installing Debian on a few laptops that will be donated to an organization in Africa: am using Debian as OS, and am trying to make it look like XP to decrease initial learning curve. I am trying to install the "eXperience engine" but am having trouble using the "make" command to compile the src code. gives me a "No targets specifies and no makefile found. Stop." -- any ideas? |
| 15:23.11 | Starfury | it was root staff |
| 15:23.20 | elwood | what do you think fo ubuntu? |
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| 15:23.37 | Pego | hi |
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| 15:23.47 | FieldySnuts | i think it's offtopic here ( ask #ubuntu or something please ) |
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| 15:23.47 | abrotman | elwood: wrong channel |
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| 15:23.57 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 15:23.57 | apt | Brits will one day stomp the IRA! |
| 15:24.00 | jtza8 | Wojciech, use ubuntu? |
| 15:24.09 | FieldySnuts | actually that's not accurate anymore, seems they don't need to |
| 15:24.18 | dippo | does anyone know of a good wireless ESSID/WEP selection gui package in the debian repository? |
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| 15:24.21 | Zizou | Wich of the iso images of debian has the grafic interface? |
| 15:24.26 | dippo | I don't see anything other than waproamd |
| 15:24.33 | elwood | abrotman, i know,but i am just curios to see what debian users think of it, if i am off-topic i will shut-up |
| 15:24.38 | jetx | none. it's an ncurses gui lookalike |
| 15:24.40 | abrotman | jtza8: what the FUCK does ubuntu have to do with that? .. have hyou even used ubuntu .. how fucking stupid is that .. god |
| 15:24.42 | jetx | they all should |
| 15:24.58 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite jtza8 |
| 15:24.59 | ravenbird | jtza8: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
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| 15:25.03 | FieldySnuts | damnit quit picking that one |
| 15:25.06 | abrotman | elwood: yes .. you are .. it's a distro based on debian .. like so many others |
| 15:25.25 | FieldySnuts | apt: start an editor war |
| 15:25.25 | apt | vim sucks |
| 15:25.29 | FieldySnuts | that'll do it |
| 15:25.30 | jetx | !debian-based |
| 15:25.31 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 15:25.32 | abrotman | Wojciech: you might want to look at icewm .. |
| 15:25.40 | nforbes | emacs rulez teh world |
| 15:25.46 | Wojciech | I looked into Ubuntu, but from my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) the minimum requirements are higher than those of Debian. I'm not dealing with high quality laptops here. :) |
| 15:25.46 | jetx | icewm is the best! |
| 15:25.53 | dippo | notepad.exe is the best |
| 15:25.59 | nforbes | DIE WINDOWS LUSER |
| 15:26.00 | FieldySnuts | ex |
| 15:26.01 | FieldySnuts | ed |
| 15:26.02 | abrotman | !xpde |
| 15:26.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xpde is a desktop environment attempting to make it easier for the newbie. stands for "XP Desktop Environment.", or at xpde.com for more info. |
| 15:26.13 | Pego | is there a way to put sql request in conf file for have a dynamic conf file ? |
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| 15:26.16 | Wojciech | Abrotman: is icewm a theme? (Will check it out in Google.) |
| 15:26.24 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 15:26.30 | dippo | Pego: depends on what reads the conf file |
| 15:26.34 | abrotman | Wojciech: no .. it's a window manager that can be made to kind of look like windows |
| 15:26.37 | Wojciech | dpkg: I tried xpde earlier and had a hell of a time installing it in Fedora Core. I hear it's very unstable. |
| 15:26.45 | Wojciech | Okay, I will look into it then. Thank you. :) |
| 15:26.59 | nforbes | abrotman: It looks more like Windows than it should |
| 15:26.59 | Starfury | errr whats gzip -c file.tar file.tar.gz do as my screen went mental and i have a wierd corrupted font now |
| 15:27.02 | nforbes | :\ |
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| 15:27.07 | jetx | Wojciech: icewm is very windows-y |
| 15:27.12 | Pego | dippo little soft:/ it depend on every soft ? |
| 15:27.13 | jetx | and lite |
| 15:27.15 | nforbes | My Network Places and Recycle Bin *shudder* |
| 15:27.38 | dippo | Pego: configuration files are read by software. if the software doesn't expect SQL then it won't work |
| 15:27.46 | Gunk | anyone know of a good guide to install X on debian? |
| 15:27.47 | Wojciech | jetx: Will it change the way I currently have "Applications, Actions, etc" -- my biggest worry is when they get the laptops, they'll ask "Where's the Start menu?" and I won't be there to help until December. :P |
| 15:27.47 | abrotman | Wojciech: http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/xp__/ .. see |
| 15:27.50 | Starfury | like i type reboot and i get 6 white squares |
| 15:27.55 | abrotman | nforbes: what does ? |
| 15:27.56 | Spods | i recently tried xpde 0.51, wasnt bad, but the functionality needs work, if it was more advanced it would be a handy window manager to assist in the win -> linux migration process |
| 15:28.01 | nforbes | abrotman: xpde |
| 15:28.08 | jetx | Wojciech: there won't be a question about where's the start menu :) |
| 15:28.10 | abrotman | nforbes: so what .. don't like it .. don't use it .. |
| 15:28.16 | Pego | dippo:/ there not sort of solution ? |
| 15:28.19 | nforbes | ... I won't :P |
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| 15:28.34 | abrotman | jetx: http://themes.freshmeat.net/screenshots/26549/27935/ .. close enough? :) |
| 15:28.40 | Wojciech | Perfect. :) Because I'm dealing with people who only know Word and Excel, and nothing more. So I'm trying not to make any assumptions. |
| 15:28.45 | jetx | Wojciech: same place. the biggie would probably be the 'control panel' |
| 15:28.55 | jetx | not one |
| 15:28.56 | Wojciech | I doubt they'd need it. |
| 15:28.57 | jetx | per se |
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| 15:29.06 | Wojciech | I *hope* they won't, anyway. :) |
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| 15:29.17 | jetx | icewm and oo they could hardly tell the diff, imo |
| 15:29.32 | goccia | jtza8: i'm using a simple ~/.gtkrc-2.0 with two lines : gtk-theme-name="Simple" and gtk-font-name="Sans 12" see if it's ok for you |
| 15:29.37 | abrotman | or .. just give them gnome .. and let them figure it out :) |
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| 15:30.19 | jtza8 | goccia, Thanks |
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| 15:30.30 | Wojciech | haha I already made a few promises I can't back out on. :P I wish I could just throw the basic package together, but unfortunately no. |
| 15:30.40 | Wojciech | The option is either this, or Windows 98, which I'd like to avoid |
| 15:30.46 | abrotman | gnome! |
| 15:30.53 | FieldySnuts | twm! |
| 15:30.59 | abrotman | Wojciech: http://themes.freshmeat.net/search/?q=xp&trove_cat_id=925§ion=trove_cat&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 .. more than one to try |
| 15:31.00 | rattler414 | fluxbox |
| 15:31.05 | FieldySnuts | ~start a wm war |
| 15:31.05 | apt | olwm is the ONLY wm to use! |
| 15:31.16 | Gunk | anyone know of a good guide to install X on debian? |
| 15:31.34 | drac | Gunk: Guide: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 15:31.37 | abrotman | Gunk: apt-get install <yourfavoritedesktop> x-window-system |
| 15:31.49 | Gunk | thx! |
| 15:31.53 | Wojciech | abrotman: Wow... There's quite a few! |
| 15:31.59 | Spods | Wojciech: you should know better than to give a promise in IT ;) |
| 15:32.10 | abrotman | Wojciech: yes .. it's a popular idea .. yo're not the first :) |
| 15:32.10 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 15:32.47 | rattler414 | My only IT promise was "I'll be here tomorrow, I may or may not do anything for you" |
| 15:32.55 | Wojciech | haha I'm learning, I'm learning. I don't have much experience in the field. :) No promises from now on. haha At first glance in the linux community, I wouldn't expect so many XP themes. :P (I'm very new to Linux, in case you can't tell) |
| 15:32.57 | FieldySnuts | sounds reasonable |
| 15:33.00 | Wojciech | haha |
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| 15:34.12 | rattler414 | then they would ply me with food and I would plug in the mouse for them or delete the "odd" wallpaper I had "pushed" to them |
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| 15:34.14 | Spods | Wojciech: having an XP based theme is an advantage for the totally clueless, however I've found the state of such themes to be so lacking, it's usually just easier how to teach someone how to use something different |
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| 15:34.44 | abrotman | Spods: they're in africa .. i think he's trying to avoid an on-site visit |
| 15:34.57 | Starfury | errr whats gzip -c file.tar file.tar.gz do as my screen went mental and i have a wierd corrupted font now |
| 15:35.10 | jtza8 | The .gtkrc-2.0 thing worked. Thanks. |
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| 15:35.17 | edgarin | Hi |
| 15:35.27 | Spods | abrotman: oh, didn't know that, I've been in and out of converation, Jaws is on TV, so I'm kinda distracted :) |
| 15:35.27 | edgarin | I'm have a problem |
| 15:35.29 | Wojciech | Spods: I agree, and the goal is to do that. The plan at this stage (from the project manager) is to send a laptop early, so they can get familiar with it, and then in December, I'm flying over there to spend three weeks running workshops and teaching. I don't want to send this computer over and have it sitting around until I get there. |
| 15:35.31 | shaunw | Does any one know whether you must download all 14 .jigdo files to get a cd set? |
| 15:35.40 | edgarin | the problem is with my mouse is a PS/2 with Scroll |
| 15:35.48 | edgarin | but howto activate the scroll?? |
| 15:36.11 | edgarin | I change the option zAxis Mapping "4 5" |
| 15:36.26 | jetx | edgarin: when you reconfigure, choose imps2, not ps2 (which is not the ps2 plug, that's psaux) |
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| 15:36.56 | edgarin | ok |
| 15:37.05 | edgarin | thanks jetx I'm try this |
| 15:37.10 | drac | edgarin: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5", and yeah, Protocol "ImPS/2" or "ExplorerPS/2" |
| 15:37.31 | Spods | Wojciech: fair enough |
| 15:38.12 | Wojciech | :) |
| 15:38.13 | Gunk | cool, any other apt-get programs you all reccomend getting? |
| 15:38.24 | jetx | shaunw: i don't know, but why not just d/l a full on iso or a net install image |
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| 15:38.59 | jetx | apt-get install read-edid mdetect (modconf, localepurge, cron-apt) |
| 15:39.08 | Gunk | i just did a net install in about 15 mins, so much for gentoo |
| 15:39.14 | jtza8 | Does apt-get have a log of installed packages? |
| 15:39.16 | korhalf | has anyone here been able to stream wmv's online? |
| 15:39.23 | polux | jtza8, dpkg -l |
| 15:39.27 | Gunk | apt-get install read-edid modconf? |
| 15:39.27 | jetx | dpkg -l (L) jtza8 |
| 15:39.29 | dpkg | ii L jtza8 3.1-13 jetx's private stamp collection |
| 15:39.30 | FieldySnuts | with mplayer and the win32codecs, maybe |
| 15:39.34 | korhalf | its always plugin content, which is obviously not supported |
| 15:39.35 | jetx | ahahaha |
| 15:39.38 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 15:39.44 | FieldySnuts | dpkg -i clue |
| 15:39.47 | shaunw | jetx: debian website reccomends jigdo, but doesnt say whats the minium amount of .jigdo files i need |
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| 15:40.01 | korhalf | on debian, where are the codecs for mplayer stored? |
| 15:40.03 | Gunk | you dont need jig shaun if you have internet |
| 15:40.06 | jetx | L for list, i for install |
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| 15:40.17 | jetx | korhalf: on marillat |
| 15:40.25 | korhalf | no, i mean computer wise |
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| 15:40.29 | jetx | !info mozilla-mplayer |
| 15:40.31 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.85-1 (sid), Packaged size: 77 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 15:40.31 | korhalf | i dont have that source in my list anymore, i have to find it |
| 15:40.40 | shaunw | gunk: I dont have the internet on the box I plan to install to |
| 15:40.44 | korhalf | i need it for opera |
| 15:40.47 | korhalf | !info opera-mplayer |
| 15:40.54 | Yevgeniy | question - will I have problems running sarge wfter I upgrade the kernel to 2.6 (hopefully "debian way" ) ? |
| 15:40.55 | jetx | don't think there is one |
| 15:40.56 | jtza8 | dpkg -l is fine but I'd like to know which packages I installed recently. |
| 15:40.56 | dpkg | No packages found matching is fine but I'd like to know which packages I installed recently. |
| 15:41.02 | kane_ | i just ran an 'apt-get upgdate; apt-get upgrade' and now i see: |
| 15:41.03 | kane_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded. |
| 15:41.11 | jetx | korhalf: try apt-cache search <searchterm> in a console |
| 15:41.13 | kane_ | these 50 are 'held back' -- what does this mean? |
| 15:41.21 | korhalf | i dont have the marillat source |
| 15:41.25 | korhalf | it wont return anyhting, but okay |
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| 15:41.35 | jetx | Kane32: dist-upgrade will 'probably' kick it off |
| 15:41.38 | edgarin | jetx?? |
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| 15:41.41 | jetx | !dselect |
| 15:41.41 | dpkg | well, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 15:41.46 | edgarin | not work IMPS/2 |
| 15:41.47 | kane_ | i'll give it a go |
| 15:42.12 | jetx | edgarin: did you restart the xserver? |
| 15:42.12 | Slippy | !aptitude |
| 15:42.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 15:42.18 | jetx | craptitude |
| 15:42.20 | edgarin | yes |
| 15:42.22 | korhalf | can someone msg me or give me the sources for mplayer |
| 15:42.25 | korhalf | on marillat or w.e |
| 15:42.29 | jtza8 | jetx, thanks |
| 15:42.31 | Slippy | jetx: why? |
| 15:42.34 | jetx | !tell korhalf about marillat |
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| 15:42.52 | Spods | korhalf: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marilliat/ stable main |
| 15:42.58 | Spods | or whatever distro |
| 15:43.08 | jetx | Slippy: just the way i percieve it |
| 15:43.20 | jetx | Slippy: it functions, ignore me |
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| 15:43.55 | jetx | edgarin: it is a ps2 mouse? or a usb. |
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| 15:44.16 | Slippy | jetx: fair enough... but you can use it jsut like regular apt-get |
| 15:44.36 | eps | how does one update the system time to current ntp time via the console? |
| 15:45.14 | Spods | eps: ntpdate should do it. |
| 15:45.18 | eps | thanks :) |
| 15:45.55 | eps | hehe, it is suddenly ten minutes earlier :D |
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| 15:46.23 | goccia | eps: 10.123456789 ? |
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| 15:46.42 | eps | hehe |
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| 15:47.45 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a badger war |
| 15:47.45 | ravenbird | no idea, FieldySnuts |
| 15:47.49 | FieldySnuts | asshole |
| 15:47.52 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a badger war |
| 15:47.57 | FieldySnuts | PECKER |
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| 15:48.12 | landon| | anybody here uisng syslog-ng on stable? |
| 15:48.24 | korhalf | should i apt cache search for the windows cdecs? |
| 15:48.46 | korhalf | wcb: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 15:48.51 | korhalf | why am i getting errors with marillat? |
| 15:49.07 | Yevgeniy | where should I install an application that can be accessed by al users? |
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| 15:49.18 | korhalf | /usr/bin? |
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| 15:49.37 | Wojciech | Really basic question... I'm looking at iceWM install, and it says I must "Run './configure'" -- What command do I do to run it? |
| 15:49.39 | Yevgeniy | maybe usr/share? |
| 15:49.39 | Spods | korhalf: it's pretty slow. i sometimes get updates, sometimes not. |
| 15:50.15 | korhalf | im getting errors tho |
| 15:50.18 | Wojciech | never mind :P |
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| 15:50.30 | Spods | Wojciech: ./configure is the configuration script when compiling a package, you shouldnt need it if you have installed iceWM within the debian system (dpkg) |
| 15:50.46 | Spods | korhalf: let me check mine |
| 15:50.50 | takatumi | korhalf: take a look at http://debian.video.free.fr/ to fix those errors |
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| 15:51.03 | korhalf | thank you sir |
| 15:51.08 | Wojciech | Spods: I'm installing it now. Just downloaded the package from Freshmeat.net |
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| 15:51.29 | abrotman | Wojciech: apt-get install icewm |
| 15:51.40 | abrotman | Wojciech: why are you compiling anyhting? .. |
| 15:51.55 | korhalf | lol |
| 15:51.55 | korhalf | go use gentoo if u want to compile |
| 15:52.09 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:52.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:52.19 | Spods | Wojciech: would you have used dselect or apt-get to get it from a debian mirror? |
| 15:52.23 | korhalf | grammar nazi |
| 15:52.30 | FieldySnuts | ~gentoosmite korhalf |
| 15:52.34 | kevinz | Hi, I don't see updatable package in aptitude for several days, so aren't there any update to some common packages? I wonder if the mirror i am using is wrong |
| 15:52.38 | FieldySnuts | geez apt is missing lots of good stuff |
| 15:52.51 | Wojciech | It's what the readme tells me to do? :P I'm not very familiar with any of this stuff. |
| 15:52.52 | abrotman | korhalf: don't type like an idiot .. that won't happen |
| 15:52.58 | Spods | kofholf: mine works, lemme look at the address again |
| 15:52.59 | jetx | kevinz: try taking the .us out |
| 15:53.32 | kevinz | jetx: ? I don't use a us mirror |
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| 15:53.38 | Spods | korholf: and I go so far to say the *BSD's would be more stable than Gentoo if you wanted to compile stuff |
| 15:53.38 | jetx | Wojciech: apt-get install icewm icewm-themes iceme icepref |
| 15:53.46 | kl4 | hi anyone knows how can i close ports? |
| 15:53.54 | kl4 | or stop servces |
| 15:53.54 | jetx | kevinz: then change the us to <your_country_code) and take that out |
| 15:54.00 | Wojciech | jetx: thanks, I will try this |
| 15:54.01 | korhalf | yes check ur rc folders and kill the daemons |
| 15:54.12 | korhalf | just switch the S to a K i believe |
| 15:54.14 | korhalf | i have a script for it |
| 15:54.20 | korhalf | but i bet theres somethign for debian thats faster |
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| 15:55.42 | kevinz | jetx: oh i see. so do you think the mirror i am using has some problem? |
| 15:55.42 | abrotman | !ur |
| 15:55.42 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 15:55.42 | SimonRaven | !folder |
| 15:55.42 | dpkg | well, folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
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| 15:55.42 | jetx | kevinz: i had problems that just using ftp.debian.org instead of ftp.us.debian.org fixed... ymmv |
| 15:55.42 | korhalf | alright i install mozilla mplayer |
| 15:55.42 | Spods | korhalf: whoops, i gave you a bum steer :) try deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marilliat/ stable main |
| 15:55.42 | korhalf | so now i start up mozilla and what? do i have to do any configurations |
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| 15:55.42 | SimonRaven | um, typo in URI |
| 15:55.42 | Tired_ | Hello, I was wondering how i can find out how bug 241630 was resolved? |
| 15:55.42 | Spods | i missed out the 'deb' |
| 15:55.46 | jetx | korhalf: iirc it should 'jsut work' |
| 15:55.47 | SimonRaven | marillat |
| 15:55.47 | kevinz | jetx: ok, i try it, thanks |
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| 15:56.00 | abrotman | Tired_: look at it ? |
| 15:56.06 | kane_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:56.06 | kane_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.07 | Tired_ | I still have the bug in Sarge. |
| 15:56.07 | abrotman | !dbugs 241630 |
| 15:56.13 | dpkg | #241630:N[installation-reports] [i386] [beta3] [various] all boot methods fail during boot (moreinfo) Fri, 2 Apr 2004 05:33:03 UTC |
| 15:56.14 | Tired_ | it doesn't say |
| 15:56.14 | kane_ | this means the package is flagged as broken, right? |
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| 15:56.24 | jetx | !tell kane_ about fix-unmet |
| 15:56.42 | goccia | Tired_: what bug in sarge ? |
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| 15:56.50 | Wojciech | So when I'm using apt-get install icewm, do I have to have the package downloaded somewhere? It's giving me a "Couldn't find package icewm" error. |
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| 15:57.10 | Tired_ | 241630, all boot methods fail installing Debian on Dell precision 610 |
| 15:57.13 | abrotman | Tired_: you have the official netinst ? |
| 15:57.31 | Tired_ | no, ok, maybe it's a different bug, but the symptoms are the same |
| 15:57.35 | abrotman | Wojciech: are you using debian or something else ? |
| 15:57.42 | Wojciech | Debian |
| 15:57.50 | abrotman | Wojciech: apt-cache search icewm |
| 15:57.57 | abrotman | Wojciech: do you see anything ? |
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| 15:58.07 | Spods | Wojciech: sounds like your /etc/apt/source.list isn't pointing to a mirror/cd collection that has it |
| 15:58.09 | Tired_ | i downloaded the install cds within the last week, from a mirror |
| 15:58.16 | abrotman | !d-i Tired_ |
| 15:58.17 | dpkg | Tired_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:58.26 | pepelor | how do I recover grub, It doesnt load, I am using a live cd and chrooting the partition but I get a lot of permission errors... |
| 15:58.37 | abrotman | Wojciech: if it doesn't find anything .. run `apt-setup` .. pick an http source |
| 15:58.46 | Wojciech | It's not saying anything, just returns to hthe debian:home/wojciech/... stuff |
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| 15:59.00 | Starfury | hmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 15:59.03 | Wojciech | However... |
| 15:59.04 | Starfury | interesting |
| 15:59.18 | Tired_ | abrotman -> for my own good, and everyone elses, follow the thread first. this is an outstanding issue since 2004. |
| 15:59.32 | abrotman | Tired_: i did |
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| 15:59.46 | Wojciech | When I installed Debian I told it to look only in the CD for any updates or packages, because the laptops I will be installing don't have net access. |
| 15:59.48 | NeoFax | Hello everyone! |
| 15:59.49 | Tired_ | and you think this website will help how? |
| 16:00.01 | abrotman | Tired_: how f'in old is this machibne ? |
| 16:00.01 | Wojciech | Right now, I'm testing this on a desktop to ensure I can do what I need to do. |
| 16:00.05 | Tired_ | since i downloaded it and it didn't work. ALL boot methods fail |
| 16:00.14 | NeoFax | Would someone let me know how to change the dir_colors? |
| 16:00.15 | Tired_ | 1999-200ish |
| 16:00.26 | abrotman | Wojciech: then you will need to download all 14 CDs and pack them with the laptops |
| 16:00.31 | abrotman | Wojciech: or 2 dvds |
| 16:00.33 | Spods | Wojciech: Debian Sarge comes on something like 9 CD's, it possible that you only have the entry for the first |
| 16:00.48 | Wojciech | Ahh... Fair enough. Yes, I only downloaded the first CD. |
| 16:01.02 | drac | Spods: 14 CD's |
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| 16:01.12 | Tired_ | it's a server. it doesn't need to be new. |
| 16:01.20 | abrotman | Tired_: is it x86 ? |
| 16:01.26 | Tired_ | yes, dual xeon |
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| 16:01.42 | t0urneviiiz | hey abrotman |
| 16:01.45 | Tired_ | dell precison 610 |
| 16:01.46 | Spods | drac: yeah, i knew it was big, but i have actually dowloaded CD's since potato |
| 16:01.48 | Wojciech | So would I download all 14 (the laptops don't have DVD readers) CDs, burn 'em, and install? How will I know which CD to use to get the icewm stuff running? Also -- is there no easier way? All I want is iceWM :) |
| 16:01.53 | t0urneviiiz | i think i've figured out why i cant load using my new kernel |
| 16:01.58 | t0urneviiiz | Kernel command line: console=ttyS0,115200 root=/dev/hda1 |
| 16:02.00 | abrotman | Tired_: and you tried regular,expert,linux26 and expert26 ? |
| 16:02.06 | t0urneviiiz | root should be /dev/hda4 |
| 16:02.11 | abrotman | duh :) |
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| 16:02.19 | t0urneviiiz | but its set correctly in my boot loader |
| 16:02.21 | abrotman | Tired_: where does it fail ? |
| 16:02.24 | Tired_ | abrotman -> you don't understand |
| 16:02.26 | t0urneviiiz | i dont know where it gets that hda1 from |
| 16:02.27 | Tired_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=241630 |
| 16:02.30 | Tired_ | it does that |
| 16:02.30 | abrotman | Tired_: i read it |
| 16:02.36 | abrotman | Tired_: WHERE DOES IT FAIL? |
| 16:02.36 | Tired_ | it will not boot to anything |
| 16:02.41 | abrotman | it just goes black? |
| 16:02.44 | Tired_ | at OK, uncompressing the kernel |
| 16:02.45 | abrotman | !dell |
| 16:02.45 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap |
| 16:03.09 | abrotman | Tired_: would you be interested in trying a woody installer ? :) |
| 16:03.25 | Tired_ | is it experimental? |
| 16:03.31 | abrotman | Tired_: i assume you're trying to get to sarge right ? |
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| 16:03.41 | abrotman | Tired_: no .. it's the version before sarge .. the isntaller is so stupid .. it might work :) |
| 16:03.46 | Tired_ | i'm trying to get away from XP |
| 16:03.49 | Spods | Wojciech: you could create a custom disc with what you want. or there might be a way to do that with jigdo, but i don't use it so I'm unfamiliar with it |
| 16:04.02 | abrotman | Tired_: you could try a daily netinst also |
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| 16:04.20 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 16:04.20 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 16:04.24 | Tired_ | i've tried several versions. this isn't the first time trying this |
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| 16:04.39 | takatumi | Tired_: back in 2004 or a recent iso? |
| 16:04.40 | Tired_ | and it also happens with knoppix, ubuntu, any other debian based distros i've tried |
| 16:04.44 | Tired_ | both |
| 16:04.46 | Spods | Wojciech: you may find a popular package like iceWM is on the second/third/fourth CD, so if iceWM is all you want, you may not have to download a whole 14 CD;s |
| 16:04.46 | abrotman | Tired_: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050731/ .. try the netinst 104MB one |
| 16:04.51 | abrotman | err 115 now |
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| 16:04.59 | Lord_Psyco | hi is there someone that help me? |
| 16:05.05 | abrotman | Tired_: and i'll find url for woody installer |
| 16:05.26 | Wojciech | And if I burn them all, do I just put the CD in the drive, and type "apt-install icewm" -- it will know to check the CD? |
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| 16:05.45 | abrotman | you can give it a CD to check .. there are some additional steps .. but roughyl .. yes |
| 16:05.45 | Wojciech | Also -- there's no way to actually *check* what's on the CDs online? |
| 16:05.54 | Tired_ | ok, let me download that and try it. lucky me i have two boxen here. |
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| 16:06.12 | takatumi | Wojciech: why are you getting the CDs? no network? |
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| 16:06.35 | Wojciech | takatumi: Yup. :) |
| 16:06.50 | abrotman | Tired_: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/debian-cd/oldimages/3.0_r5/i386/ .. is the woody installer .. which may or may not work .. but it might be worth a shot .. you'd only need the first CD |
| 16:06.57 | Tired_ | abrotman -> you realize this is a kernel issue, not an installer one, right? |
| 16:07.06 | Wojciech | Well... There's a net connection on my desktop, where I'm testing everything, but not on the machines I will be installing the "final version" :P |
| 16:07.09 | korhalf | its not streaming, it buffers and everything and then it just stays at the little gray box |
| 16:07.16 | korhalf | and it has the options to stop and pause the stream and what not |
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| 16:07.27 | abrotman | Tired_: i do .. woody has 2.2 and 2.4 kernels .. and a different build process |
| 16:07.36 | abrotman | Tired_: but the machine is old enough it may not matter |
| 16:07.38 | Tired_ | 2.6 kernels also fail |
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| 16:07.49 | Spods | Wojciech: dunno about if it knows about the different CD's, i install the base operating system and take everything else from the Internet |
| 16:08.01 | abrotman | Tired_: if you get woody installed .. you should easily be able to upgrade to sarge/etch/sid |
| 16:08.03 | harraps | Hello i have got problem to connect my internal modem to a regular phone line -- somebody can help me -- i'm new in linux and i have got a lot of problem |
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| 16:08.17 | Tired_ | yeah, it's just getting the install cd kernel to boot |
| 16:08.19 | abrotman | !fr |
| 16:08.19 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 16:08.21 | Tired_ | then i'm set |
| 16:08.21 | Spods | Wojciech: I would assume there's some mechanism to do it, maybe some of the other can let you know? |
| 16:08.30 | abrotman | Tired_: yeah .. your'e trying all different versions of the same variation |
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| 16:09.06 | Yokalosh | has anyone ever successfully set up liveice-xmms? |
| 16:09.06 | takatumi | Wojciech: pop in additional CDs and run apt-cdrom |
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| 16:09.24 | abrotman | takatumi: doesn't he need to scan them woith dpkg-scanpackages ? |
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| 16:09.40 | Tired_ | what is testing-businesscard ? |
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| 16:09.58 | abrotman | not that |
| 16:10.02 | abrotman | use the netinst |
| 16:10.05 | takatumi | abrotman: I have never tried loading CDs actually. *shrug* |
| 16:10.09 | Yokalosh | liveice wont recognise that xmms is installed when i ./configure :( |
| 16:10.12 | Tired_ | ok, but what is the other? |
| 16:10.17 | Yokalosh | anyone know what might be the problem |
| 16:10.19 | abrotman | the BC is a CD with less than the netinst .. basically. .. no packages . just kernel |
| 16:10.23 | kevinz | How to get lamp for my debian ... ? |
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| 16:10.32 | Tired_ | wouldn't that be enough to see if it will boot? |
| 16:10.35 | abrotman | use postgresql :) |
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| 16:12.03 | Yokalosh | ? |
| 16:12.03 | abrotman | Tired_: get the netinst .. it's a much better idea .. not much more space |
| 16:12.03 | Tired_ | just didn't wanna overuse your bw |
| 16:12.03 | bibe | Yokalosh : did you try ./configure --help ? Perhaps from there you can "force" the configure script to look for xmms in the real directory |
| 16:12.03 | Spods | abrotman: but that would be lapp? :) |
| 16:12.03 | idis | abrotman: what are the cons of BC? |
| 16:12.03 | abrotman | Spods: yes .. and the preferred solution |
| 16:12.03 | harraps | Some one just talk about support in french. Can i have the channel again |
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| 16:12.04 | Yokalosh | thankyou bibe, i'll give it a go |
| 16:12.04 | abrotman | idis: it has no packages .. i think i just said that |
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| 16:12.04 | abrotman | idis: you MUST download everything from the internet |
| 16:12.04 | abrotman | so if your NIC isn't supported .. you're fucked |
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| 16:12.07 | xanadu | Can't use KDE for root, only GNOME. Other users OK. Ideas? Bug? |
| 16:12.10 | Spods | haha |
| 16:12.18 | harraps | Some one just talk about support in french. Can i have the channel again |
| 16:12.19 | harraps | Some one just talk about support in french. Can i have the channel again |
| 16:12.23 | abrotman | !fr |
| 16:12.23 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 16:12.23 | bibe | Yokalosh : not at all. And if it fails... did you install xmms-dev package? |
| 16:12.33 | idis | abrotman: isn't there problem also with testing keeping in sync with available packages? |
| 16:12.36 | harraps | merci |
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| 16:12.39 | syp | hey |
| 16:12.51 | abrotman | idis: uhm ... no idea what you're tlaking about :) |
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| 16:13.08 | syphox | i have a problem... i need to start nfs + portmap etc.. on my debian server.. but i don't know how |
| 16:13.12 | syphox | anyone have a good how-to ? |
| 16:13.13 | idis | abrotman: BC for testing contains a list of packages, which may not be actual anymore |
| 16:13.20 | syphox | it's going to be the nfs server |
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| 16:13.34 | Lord_Psyco | i have a problem with fluxbox,because i have a problems with many dependence that have.So there is a program that resolve it download from internet in automatic mode? |
| 16:13.49 | abrotman | idis: doesn't amtter .. gets a new one .. interesting method .. just sucks if your NIC doesn't work |
| 16:14.01 | abrotman | !It |
| 16:14.01 | dpkg | hmm... italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 16:14.22 | kane_ | jetx: there seems to be something else wrong.. the dependency it says can't be installedis already on the system. http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/3562 |
| 16:14.25 | kane_ | any advice appreciated |
| 16:14.27 | Yokalosh | wait, where is xmms installed to :S |
| 16:14.35 | Yokalosh | i am using the net inst of sarge |
| 16:14.37 | Spods | bene grazie |
| 16:14.41 | idis | abrotman: well, since I maintain a proxy on my router, i'm pretty much used to BC... |
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| 16:15.09 | abrotman | kane_: apt-cache show mysql-server |
| 16:15.16 | Wojciech | Okay... I did apt-setup just to install it on my desktop and get it over with. I was wondering, though -- is there a good reference site or whatnot that lists all these tools and commands (like apt-get, apt-setup, etc. etc.) and can introduce me to new ones? |
| 16:15.20 | abrotman | idis: good |
| 16:15.36 | takatumi | Wojciech: qref.sourceforge.net |
| 16:15.45 | abrotman | !tell Wojciech about refcard |
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| 16:15.53 | kane_ | http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/3563 |
| 16:15.54 | syphox | anyone here know how to start nfs on debian |
| 16:16.00 | Wojciech | Thank you. |
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| 16:16.18 | syphox | ns20510:/etc/init.d# rpcinfo -p localhost |
| 16:16.18 | syphox | rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused |
| 16:16.18 | syphox | ns20510:/etc/init.d# |
| 16:16.21 | Spods | Wojciech: you want the debian manuals: http://debian.org/doc/ |
| 16:16.23 | syphox | thats the error i get :( |
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| 16:16.48 | Wojciech | Awesome. Both sites look good. Thanks. :) |
| 16:17.08 | syphox | and i can't find any nfs tuts for deb |
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| 16:18.19 | Tired_ | ok, burned and booting to cd now |
| 16:18.57 | zl2tod | howcome some servers in the http.us.debian.org rotation give me a sid/main Packages file of 2830kB while others give me a file of 3746kB ? I assume the 2830kB files are from very stale mirrors. Where are such things managed ? |
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| 16:19.16 | Tired_ | same problem |
| 16:19.32 | takatumi | Tired_: where did it get stuck? |
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| 16:19.49 | daedalus_ | zl2tod: yikes |
| 16:19.49 | Tired_ | after I hit enter to boot |
| 16:19.55 | Tired_ | same as always |
| 16:20.07 | Tired_ | won't uncompress the kernel |
| 16:20.19 | xanadu | Anyone successfully using the KDE DM for the root account? |
| 16:21.01 | Tired_ | did Dell debian-proof my server? |
| 16:21.03 | goccia | xanadu: i never do that but i know it works |
| 16:21.08 | abrotman | what? |
| 16:21.21 | abrotman | !dell |
| 16:21.21 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap |
| 16:21.23 | zl2tod | syphox: that sounds scary. I start nfs with /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start |
| 16:21.25 | resiak | abrotman: Nothing. |
| 16:21.26 | Tired_ | cd boots fine on another box |
| 16:21.40 | zl2tod | daedalus ... I've been seeing it for quite a while |
| 16:21.42 | takatumi | Tired_: the screen goes totally blank? |
| 16:21.57 | Tired_ | no, it hangs at ok, uncompressing the kernel........................ |
| 16:22.07 | Yevgeniy | is it normal that I can apt-get only kernel-image 2.6.8 while there are newer stable ones? |
| 16:22.17 | abrotman | !dell is also http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
| 16:22.17 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 16:22.22 | ralf | i noticed that there are debian packages written in java |
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| 16:22.27 | xanadu | Three people including myself cannot use KDE as the root default. I had to use a Knoppix Live-CD to regain control! |
| 16:22.27 | goccia | xanadu: open a terminal and do as root /etc/init.d/kdm start and see what happen |
| 16:22.30 | thingfish | Yevgeniy: for sarge, yes. |
| 16:22.34 | mwilson | Yevgeniy: Of course. |
| 16:22.45 | Yevgeniy | ok thanks |
| 16:22.48 | Spods | Yevgeniy: yes, that is the current kernel in sarge, and bugfixes are backported to that source tree |
| 16:22.54 | xanadu | goccia, you can try it. <g> It hoses up the X11. |
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| 16:23.21 | goccia | xanadu: are you running debian ? |
| 16:23.21 | ralf | could it be compiled with gcj instead of distributing .class files? |
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| 16:23.38 | xanadu | Yes, Sarge, as well as the other two. |
| 16:23.40 | Tired_ | ok, i'll try one of those Dell isos |
| 16:23.48 | Yevgeniy | another question: is there a magor reason why I should use newer kernel than 2.6.8? |
| 16:23.55 | Yevgeniy | *major |
| 16:24.03 | resiak | No. |
| 16:24.09 | abrotman | Tired_: you also might have luck with a woody installer .. but that's 650MB to download (or a few floppies) |
| 16:24.11 | Tired_ | 2.6.11 supports newer Lite-On dual layer dvdrs |
| 16:24.21 | Spods | Yevgeniy: probably not |
| 16:24.24 | streuner_ | Yevgeniy: read changelog and find out - you need it or not |
| 16:24.27 | zl2tod | Yevgeniy, only if you need functions in later kernels (new hardware support for example) |
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| 16:24.38 | TeLLuS | xanadu: You don't need Knoppix to use KDE as root.. |
| 16:24.48 | goccia | xanadu: i have both lde 3.3 and 3.4 but no problems at all |
| 16:24.53 | Yevgeniy | thanks |
| 16:25.00 | xanadu | TeLLuS, you missed the point. |
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| 16:25.08 | Tired_ | the Dell-spcific installer says it should boot on my model, so i'll try that first, but i have your other link logged. |
| 16:25.13 | Tired_ | thank you. :) |
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| 16:25.25 | abrotman | Tired_: did you pray first? |
| 16:25.32 | xanadu | goccia: So you DO use KDE under root without any problems? |
| 16:25.34 | Tired_ | of course. it's Sunday |
| 16:25.46 | abrotman | !sunday |
| 16:25.46 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 16:25.50 | goccia | xanadu: sure |
| 16:25.56 | Tired_ | lmfao |
| 16:26.11 | Spods | haha, good thing it's monday here |
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| 16:26.22 | xanadu | OK. We all must be doing something wrong (and we haven't caoched each other <g>). |
| 16:26.25 | Tired_ | while i'm here, how are the raid tools in debian? |
| 16:26.29 | Slippy | still sunday here for another 5.5 hours |
| 16:26.40 | abrotman | Tired_: sw or hw ? |
| 16:26.40 | d | what is apt-get firefox? |
| 16:26.42 | Tired_ | sw |
| 16:26.47 | abrotman | no idea there .. |
| 16:26.59 | Slippy | d: a command |
| 16:27.01 | abrotman | d: what? |
| 16:27.04 | abrotman | Slippy: no it's not |
| 16:27.06 | Tired_ | i'm used to mdadm, i hope debian has it |
| 16:27.10 | d | im trying to install firefox |
| 16:27.20 | abrotman | apt-cache search firefox ... |
| 16:27.21 | d | but apt-get install firefox doesnt find it |
| 16:27.23 | Slippy | abrotman: uhm? |
| 16:27.24 | abrotman | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 16:27.24 | Spods | d: a command, which probably wont work, it's probably apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 16:27.36 | abrotman | Slippy: there was no action .. just apt-get firefox |
| 16:27.39 | d | ahh, excelltn |
| 16:27.43 | d | thx |
| 16:27.45 | zl2tod | xanadu: the search order for the X confs is different for the root user ... man XF86Config-4 |
| 16:27.48 | astronut | where is info on network boot install for debian? |
| 16:27.51 | Slippy | abrotman: still a command...thoguh faulty |
| 16:28.01 | abrotman | Slippy: so .. not really a command :) |
| 16:28.02 | syphox | anyone what packages i need to start nfs? i have portmap and status atm |
| 16:28.08 | takatumi | astronut: the release notes? |
| 16:28.10 | syphox | is there a package called netfs ? |
| 16:28.14 | Slippy | abrotman: it was a wannabe-command |
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| 16:28.16 | abrotman | astronut: check the ig |
| 16:28.18 | abrotman | !ig |
| 16:28.18 | dpkg | it has been said that ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 16:28.23 | astronut | wasn't in the install section of the wepgae |
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| 16:28.32 | astronut | abrotman: i know where it is...i was looking at the "Get Debian" link |
| 16:28.38 | abrotman | ok |
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| 16:29.12 | goccia | xanadu: stop kde log as root and do it agaain : before read /etc/init.d/kdm |
| 16:29.20 | Tired_ | this is gonna take a while. i'll report my progress later. thanks again :) |
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| 16:29.50 | zl2tod | syphox: nfs-kernel-server nfs-user-server |
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| 16:30.03 | zl2tod | syphox: aptitude search nfs |
| 16:30.29 | syphox | what aptitude ? |
| 16:30.39 | FieldySnuts | geez |
| 16:30.43 | zl2tod | you could try apt-cache search nfs |
| 16:30.45 | abrotman | apt-cache search nfs |
| 16:30.48 | syphox | ty |
| 16:30.50 | zl2tod | snap |
| 16:30.59 | syphox | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://mir1.ovh.net testing/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mir1.ovh.net_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 16:31.04 | syphox | :( |
| 16:31.13 | abrotman | pick a new mirror ... |
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| 16:31.29 | syphox | hoiw ? |
| 16:31.31 | zl2tod | is there a mailing list where the administration of the mirrors is done ? |
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| 16:32.07 | astronut | meh...usb boot mihgt be easier |
| 16:32.39 | syphox | how can i select a new mirror? |
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| 16:33.18 | syphox | anyone pls ? |
| 16:33.19 | FieldySnuts | @noob |
| 16:33.19 | ravenbird | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 16:33.23 | syphox | i know |
| 16:33.29 | syphox | im a slack/fedora guy |
| 16:33.34 | takatumi | syphox: apt-setup or edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:33.39 | syphox | thx u |
| 16:33.44 | goccia | very nice bot |
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| 16:34.02 | abrotman | syphox: apt-setup |
| 16:34.04 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:34.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:34.05 | syphox | thanks :) |
| 16:34.20 | takatumi | !abrotman |
| 16:34.20 | dpkg | somebody said abrotman was someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
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| 16:34.28 | takatumi | eh? |
| 16:34.36 | david__ | how does one uninstall a program? |
| 16:34.36 | abrotman | yeah .. i know |
| 16:34.37 | syphox | i still get the same error ? |
| 16:34.41 | abrotman | luckily .. the poll is down |
| 16:35.07 | abrotman | takatumi: blame psuebodot |
| 16:35.09 | takatumi | syphox: apt-get update |
| 16:35.34 | syphox | i just tried |
| 16:36.02 | d | im trying to dual head with an ATI radeon, how can I go about that? |
| 16:36.03 | takatumi | syphox: try ftp.debian.org |
| 16:36.04 | syphox | is there a website were i can paste the errors? |
| 16:36.08 | syphox | ok, thx |
| 16:36.40 | goccia | syphox: if you are a slack user why don't you edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? :) |
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| 16:37.20 | syphox | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 16:37.20 | syphox | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://mir1.ovh.net testing/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mir1.ovh.net_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 16:37.28 | syphox | i keep getting that error :( |
| 16:37.34 | goccia | syphox: non us ? |
| 16:37.37 | goccia | normal |
| 16:37.41 | syphox | ? |
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| 16:37.53 | syphox | i just want to apt-get install and it won't let me.. |
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| 16:38.00 | zl2tod | david__, apt-get remove packagename or aptitude remove packagname or aptitude purge packagename |
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| 16:38.10 | mwilson | syphox: As announced repeatedly, non-us is no more. |
| 16:38.14 | syphox | yes |
| 16:38.16 | syphox | i've changed to us |
| 16:38.26 | syphox | us mirror ftp.debain.org |
| 16:38.32 | syphox | but it still gives me that error |
| 16:38.56 | goccia | syphox: topic :) |
| 16:39.07 | syphox | im confused :( |
| 16:39.11 | Spods | zl2tod: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ has information about debian mirrors, im sure you could poke around there to find what you want |
| 16:39.26 | mwilson | Yes, as I said and has been announced repeatedly, there is no more non-us archive. |
| 16:39.31 | takatumi | syphox: what exactly do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list? paste is somewhere. |
| 16:39.45 | FieldySnuts | been in the damn topic for how long now..? |
| 16:40.02 | syphox | where shall i paste? :) |
| 16:40.03 | mwilson | So asking apt to fetch packages from it, no matter what mirror you use, is not going to work very well. |
| 16:40.19 | syphox | http://nopaste.snit.ch |
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| 16:40.32 | mwilson | Therefore, stop attempting to use that which does not exist. |
| 16:40.33 | zl2tod | syphox: comment the lines that have non-US |
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| 16:40.40 | FieldySnuts | heh snit.ch |
| 16:40.48 | Phated | HEH. |
| 16:40.50 | syphox | http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/3564 |
| 16:40.51 | zl2tod | Spods: thanks |
| 16:40.52 | takatumi | he apparently changed it to ftp.debian.org. why is he getting errors for ftp://mir1.ovh.net? |
| 16:41.01 | syphox | i used apt-get setup |
| 16:41.04 | syphox | and changed it there |
| 16:41.06 | FieldySnuts | my proxy doesn't allow that rearded post so no thanks |
| 16:41.12 | FieldySnuts | s/post/port/ |
| 16:41.13 | syphox | but it's still trying that mirror |
| 16:41.40 | Phated | update? Or check to see if apt-setup only appended it instead of replacing? |
| 16:41.43 | takatumi | syphox: comment out all the cruft, leave just ftp.debian.org |
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| 16:41.53 | syphox | ok. ty |
| 16:42.19 | syphox | muuuch better :) thank you |
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| 16:44.43 | parsemall | hi @ all... does anyone know why my custom kernel does autodetecting RAID arrays differentli then debian-kernel does? debian detects my array as /dev/md0 and /dev/md1, custom kernel finds /dev/md1 and /dev/md2... so booting with custom kernel fails |
| 16:44.52 | kaouete | yo |
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| 16:45.19 | Starfury^ | what in debian could cause the activity of the network to flash like mad when plugged into a switch but no other network card in that switch is flashing, ie it seems to be talking to itself |
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| 16:45.30 | kaouete | is sid actually usable or should i wait before upgrading it ? i didnt since about 1 month |
| 16:45.41 | Starfury^ | kaouete: it is useable |
| 16:45.48 | Starfury^ | i been using it for 4yrs |
| 16:45.53 | kaouete | ok, i hope you aru right :> |
| 16:45.59 | takatumi | kaouete: bad time to upgrade now, wait a while. |
| 16:45.59 | kaouete | hm ? |
| 16:46.04 | kaouete | ok :] |
| 16:46.10 | Starfury^ | just if something gets messed up you gotta wait for them to fix it, where as stable doesnt get messed up |
| 16:46.26 | Starfury^ | i think |
| 16:46.58 | kaouete | Starfury^: i'm using sid too :] i'm asking if now is ok or if i should wait for gcc4/xorg to be ok before doing it :] |
| 16:47.04 | goccia | Starfury^: i think they are spammers on the 1027 and 1026 doors courtesy to micro$hit |
| 16:47.27 | Starfury^ | goccia: thing is its from the debian box to the switch not the net to the sytstems |
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| 16:47.57 | astronut | i did the usb thing, but it won't mat |
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| 16:48.06 | goccia | on my system i have blacklisted an awful lot of ip's |
| 16:48.09 | Starfury^ | i got 6 systems on this switch and the port where the debian's nic card is connected to is getting a lot of traffic |
| 16:48.23 | astronut | i think the instructions should be /dev/sda1 not /dev/sda |
| 16:48.49 | kaouete | Starfury^: try to see with tcpdump if there is something |
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| 16:49.14 | kaouete | or maybe it's trying to get an ip with dhcp ? :> |
| 16:49.57 | astronut | yes..they should be |
| 16:50.21 | goccia | Starfury^: install iptraf or iptstate and check |
| 16:51.39 | Starfury^ | ok |
| 16:52.02 | Starfury^ | goccia: odd thing is there is no other system connected to the switch which is showing same activity patterns ie it doesnt seem to be connecting to anything |
| 16:52.02 | pimpster | can anyone tell me how too config my modem on linux so i can get too the internet? |
| 16:52.13 | pimpster | cause i have no clue i am new too it |
| 16:52.23 | takatumi | pimpster: winmodem? |
| 16:52.36 | pimpster | its a rockwell |
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| 16:52.48 | pimpster | i'm guessing it is |
| 16:52.53 | zl2tod | Starfury^, I think I see that when the switch and the sid box are powered up at roughly the same time ... I haven't analysed it ... unplugging the cat 5 and plugging it back in seems to solve it |
| 16:52.58 | pimpster | well it came with my ibm aptiva |
| 16:53.04 | pimpster | when i bought it |
| 16:53.19 | Starfury^ | zl2tod: well yeah because its no longer connected tot he switch if you do that |
| 16:53.20 | shingouz | pimpster: mwave |
| 16:53.30 | Starfury^ | and the switch been powered on for days |
| 16:53.33 | goccia | Starfury^: an mta looking for dns ? |
| 16:53.34 | pimpster | mwave wats that? |
| 16:53.40 | zl2tod | yeah - which maybe points to an autonegociation bug |
| 16:53.42 | Starfury^ | hmmm |
| 16:54.15 | Starfury^ | nowt |
| 16:54.18 | Starfury^ | on iptraf |
| 16:54.20 | shingouz | pimpster: it is a winmodem. you need the mwave module in the kernel somehow. i am not sure if the standard debian kernels support it. be smart and get a real modem instead |
| 16:54.20 | pimpster | so can anyone help? |
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| 16:55.00 | pimpster | like wat kinda modems will support it/ |
| 16:55.12 | Starfury^ | it was doing same with anothejr network card |
| 16:55.24 | pimpster | i know that u.s robitic modems arent' supported |
| 16:55.25 | Starfury^ | and then one of the network cards i had in the link light was pulsing.... |
| 16:55.34 | pimpster | on linux |
| 16:55.42 | zl2tod | pimpster: have you looked at http://www.linmodems.org/ ? |
| 16:55.44 | shingouz | pimpster: what do you mean? the modem you have is an mwave modem. it sucks eggs, get a real modem instead, something that connects to your serial port preferably |
| 16:55.50 | Starfury^ | tehre is quite a bit of traffic on this one before the os starts loading too |
| 16:55.50 | pimpster | nope i haven't |
| 16:56.31 | pimpster | another thing |
| 16:56.41 | pimpster | how do i know wat port or the server is? |
| 16:56.44 | Starfury^ | goccia: iptraf isnt even registering each activity light flicker as a packet |
| 16:56.51 | shingouz | pimpster: huh? |
| 16:56.52 | Starfury^ | its as though the os knows nowt about it |
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| 16:57.14 | zl2tod | Starfury^, which indicates it hasn't got up to the IP layer yet |
| 16:57.15 | pimpster | like how do i know wat port i have |
| 16:57.23 | zl2tod | port ? |
| 16:57.32 | Jhonny | i need help with netinstall please someone help me |
| 16:57.36 | pimpster | nvm |
| 16:57.37 | shingouz | pimpster: what are you talking about? what server? where? who? |
| 16:57.46 | zl2tod | pimpster, lspci |
| 16:57.59 | shingouz | Jhonny: just ask. do not ask to ask |
| 16:58.14 | Jhonny | ok |
| 16:58.19 | pimpster | well is there a webiste where i can know how too config my network? |
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| 16:58.24 | pimpster | i mean internet |
| 16:58.25 | richb | mm there is a bug compiling kernel-2.6.8 with gcc4 on unstable-current_menu is declared static in one file and extern in a header |
| 16:58.41 | pimpster | i'm using ubantu linux |
| 16:58.50 | shingouz | pimpster: join #ubuntu |
| 16:59.05 | pimpster | but thinkin about switching too debiean mandrake or fedora |
| 16:59.25 | shingouz | pimpster: this is #debian, not ubuntu. or ask in #mandrake or #fedora |
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| 16:59.27 | richb | Why are you in #debian then 0.0 |
| 16:59.31 | takatumi | pimpster: either way that modem won't work without quite a bit of pain, google. |
| 16:59.35 | Dakishi | i pased to the basic system of deabian, and when i rin pppoeconfig it detects my ethe0 but cannot recive information because the DNS have not been configure, and when i try to dhconfig nothing happens, what can i do_ |
| 16:59.39 | streuner_ | pimpster: Our new installer works auto - just try it |
| 16:59.51 | pimpster | wat new installer? |
| 16:59.51 | streuner_ | !d-i pimpster |
| 16:59.51 | dpkg | pimpster, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:59.55 | takatumi | streuner_: with a winfuckingmodem? no way! |
| 16:59.58 | Dakishi | rin = try |
| 16:59.59 | cn | what obex package i need to transfer file with bt? |
| 17:00.03 | shingouz | wat? *what*! |
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| 17:00.26 | shingouz | cn: obex push i think |
| 17:00.42 | Wojciech | Hi everyone. I just installed IceWM and am now trying to make it load automatically. I looked on Google and got "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" and usr/bin/icewm is the default, but it still loads the old one. Any ideas? |
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| 17:00.56 | pimpster | hey thanks for ur help all download debiean |
| 17:01.01 | streuner_ | takatumi: WHO use a fucking winmodem? those router/gateways are cheap |
| 17:01.13 | d | D |
| 17:01.18 | richb | hah, its already reported:) |
| 17:01.18 | pimpster | well i had windows on it first |
| 17:01.23 | jamesm_ | Hello. I have a problem with my XF86Config-4 file. It's empty. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it doesn't appear to write anything back to the file. Any ideas whats gone wrong? |
| 17:01.26 | streuner_ | takatumi: We get mostly our router from our ISP in germany |
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| 17:01.29 | shingouz | streuner_: the mwwave pimpster wants to use... |
| 17:01.31 | pimpster | i'm guessing yall hate windows? |
| 17:01.35 | pimpster | lol |
| 17:01.38 | zl2tod | pimpster ... try googling for "networking tutorial" or "TCP/IP tutorial" to help you understand basic networking ... you might find useful HOWTO files on your system drive too |
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| 17:01.44 | izzyk | its not that we hate windows |
| 17:01.47 | streuner_ | pimpster: We love debian ;-) |
| 17:01.49 | izzyk | its that windows sucks |
| 17:02.00 | shingouz | pimpster: no we do not hate windows anymore. we do not have windows anywere so the hate is not needed these days |
| 17:02.02 | pimpster | true |
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| 17:02.13 | Dakishi | >_> |
| 17:02.28 | eps | is there an eta on when libaspell15c2 will be fixed on sid? I'm getting a nice backlog of about 30 apps that wont upgrade because they can't |
| 17:02.30 | Dakishi | eehh i cannot conect to internet to download the softwares for deabian can anyone help? |
| 17:02.30 | pimpster | ya windows crashes too much |
| 17:02.33 | izzyk | anyways, if any of you see bah, tell him he sucks |
| 17:02.35 | Starfury^ | this is just wierd |
| 17:02.41 | eps | you have to restart windows to often :P |
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| 17:02.45 | pimpster | dakishi |
| 17:02.49 | pimpster | try emule |
| 17:02.53 | pimpster | or bearshare |
| 17:02.55 | eps | amule :) |
| 17:02.58 | Dakishi | no no |
| 17:03.02 | takatumi | hah |
| 17:03.03 | Dakishi | i already installed debian |
| 17:03.05 | shingouz | pimpster: that is nto the correct answer |
| 17:03.09 | Dakishi | the basic system |
| 17:03.09 | mwilson | eps: It's not broken. |
| 17:03.11 | zl2tod | Dakishi, you ARE connected to the internet |
| 17:03.16 | Dakishi | cyberchat =P |
| 17:03.18 | pimpster | wat isn't? |
| 17:03.26 | shingouz | pimpster: emule etc |
| 17:03.31 | mwilson | eps: Applications that *depend* on it that haven't been recompiled... they're what's broken. |
| 17:03.34 | pimpster | why? |
| 17:03.37 | eps | mwilson when I try installing it aptitude install libaspell15c2 it gives me the lovely option of basically uninstalling all of x and the WMs :P |
| 17:03.43 | pimpster | yes it is u can get it off of those |
| 17:03.48 | eps | mwilson ah okay, |
| 17:03.49 | shingouz | pimpster: we use apt-get. go use ubuntu now |
| 17:03.56 | streuner_ | pimpster: Can you use an extern modem? |
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| 17:04.02 | Dakishi | in the basic system i try to use pppoeconfig to install my adsl but it needs the DNS what can i do? |
| 17:04.03 | mwilson | eps: Uh, no. Nothing in X or any window manager depends on aspell. |
| 17:04.09 | pimpster | ya i got an externale modem |
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| 17:04.18 | pimpster | the only reason i use ubuntu |
| 17:04.22 | pimpster | was that i got it |
| 17:04.23 | pimpster | for free |
| 17:04.27 | pimpster | and a computer store |
| 17:04.29 | shingouz | pimpster: the |
| 17:04.30 | pimpster | so i tried it |
| 17:04.31 | shingouz | enter is |
| 17:04.33 | shingouz | annoying |
| 17:04.35 | eps | The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: <-- mwilson under that heading gtk and gnome make the list |
| 17:04.36 | pimpster | and i said this sucks |
| 17:04.43 | pimpster | and took it off |
| 17:04.44 | streuner_ | dpkg, enter |
| 17:04.44 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 17:04.45 | mwilson | eps: No. |
| 17:04.57 | eps | 0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 428 to remove and 12 not upgraded. |
| 17:04.58 | eps | Need to get 1052kB of archives. After unpacking 789MB will be freed. |
| 17:04.58 | eps | Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n |
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| 17:05.25 | eps | mwilson what do you suggest needs to be done then? |
| 17:05.26 | mwilson | eps: Neither Gnome nor GTK are a window manager, nor are they "all of X". |
| 17:05.33 | goccia | Dakishi: dns are supposed to go in /etc/resolv.conf : one per line as "nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" |
| 17:05.33 | mwilson | eps: Not use unstable. |
| 17:05.58 | mwilson | eps: Or even easier, simply not update aspell until the transition is complete. |
| 17:06.01 | eps | mwilson so it will never ever be fixed then? |
| 17:06.08 | FieldySnuts | troll |
| 17:06.11 | takatumi | eps: just wait a few days. |
| 17:06.18 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: sunday.... |
| 17:06.22 | eps | takatumi I've waited about three days to a month :P |
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| 17:06.31 | mwilson | eps: Until the applications depending on the new aspell are rebuilt, which is what I originally said. |
| 17:06.46 | eps | I'm happy to wait longer, just don't want to find out in five months time that I am screwed and need to do some thing very painful to update |
| 17:06.53 | zl2tod | eps: it'll be fixed, unstable is likely to be considerably unstable for a week or so |
| 17:06.55 | Dakishi | goccia: and how can i enter to that archive i am very new to Linux, so it is a little hard to find commands |
| 17:07.01 | mwilson | eps: <shrug> Then you shouldn't be using unstable. |
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| 17:07.45 | FromTO | a few days ago I upgraded udev on sid and now it is broken and cannot use apt-get . Is there a way to fix this. This is a bug that it needs kernel kernel 2.6.12 |
| 17:07.47 | cantona | composite on xorg cannot be turned off , bug? |
| 17:07.53 | mwilson | zl2tod: Unstable is likely to be considerably "unstable" for quite a lot longer than a week. |
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| 17:08.27 | mwilson | FromTO: Yes, as it told you right up front when you installed the updated package. Downgrade it again, if you're not going to install the kernel it requires. |
| 17:08.34 | zl2tod | are the master servers back up ? |
| 17:08.34 | shingouz | Dakishi: "echo 'nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' >> /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 17:08.56 | eps | mwilson I understand the downsides of using unstable though as I don't understand the proccess (in detail) of how packages go through the system I was just interested in what sort of time frame or effects woudl happen when the package come through. |
| 17:09.35 | eps | mwilson is it possible to learn about the debian package system and help out with package creation/maintance? |
| 17:09.39 | shingouz | eps: when and what are uncertain, that is why unstable is called unstable |
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| 17:09.50 | d | how do I search for apt-get package names (mainly.. flash) |
| 17:10.00 | eps | aptitude search package |
| 17:10.01 | shingouz | d: apt-cache search foo |
| 17:10.04 | mwilson | d: man apt-cache |
| 17:10.06 | jcs | (not a debian user, interested developer): is gtkmm 2.6 in unstable yet? |
| 17:10.28 | FromTO | mwilson: I actually did not see any messages. and there is only one udev version in the mirror sites |
| 17:10.46 | shingouz | jcs: /msg dpkg info gtkmm |
| 17:10.49 | mwilson | FromTO: Except that there are multiple versions, of course. |
| 17:11.19 | shingouz | jcs: /msg dpkg info gtkmm sid even.. ;) |
| 17:11.28 | eps | shingouz why still use apt instead of aptitude? |
| 17:11.36 | goccia | Dakishi: it is a file : learn how to edit e file using cat vi or whatever i think google will help you |
| 17:11.50 | mwilson | FromTO: Not to be mean, or snide, or anything else, but yes, it told you that it needed 2.6.12 when you installed it, and yes, there are multiple versions in all mirrors. There's even the previous version you upgraded from, still on your box, unless you deliberately deleted it. |
| 17:11.55 | shingouz | eps: because aptitude sucks in kitchen sink. i do not like such automagical stuff |
| 17:11.56 | Dakishi | shingouz, thats all i need to configure my ADSL ETHE0 to start downloading debian package?, or should i have to have another thing in mind? |
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| 17:12.00 | Starfury^ | this is driving me nuts, its gotta be doing 20packets a sec, but nothing is registering on iptraf and its not communicating to any other computers on the switch |
| 17:12.05 | goccia | Dakishi: i don't' want you mess your system up : learn that first |
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| 17:12.23 | mwilson | eps: Because aptitude has a bug list a mile long and acts inconsistently depending on how you invoke it. |
| 17:12.23 | takatumi | shingouz: why so? |
| 17:12.26 | Dakishi | goccia, it is just i cannot reinstall windows so i am trapped without internet, i need to learn all now so i can try and fix it today |
| 17:12.34 | shingouz | Dakishi: i am not sure. i am sure that there is no ETHE0 on debian at all. eth0 should exist |
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| 17:12.42 | FromTO | mwilson: no problem. All I want is to fix the problem |
| 17:12.46 | shingouz | takatumi: huh? |
| 17:12.55 | takatumi | shingouz: never mind. |
| 17:12.55 | eps | mwilson shingouz hehe, interesting, okay |
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| 17:12.58 | jcs | shingouz: /msg dpkg info libgtkmm-2.4-1 sid even :-) Yay package naming! Thanks. |
| 17:13.00 | Dakishi | goocia, lol it is eth0 xD sorry i am a litle confused |
| 17:13.12 | Starfury^ | Dakishi: you got another box laying around 486 p1 p2 or something? |
| 17:13.12 | kl4 | hi, anyone knows how can i see all users on my machine? |
| 17:13.13 | shingouz | jcs: np |
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| 17:13.26 | FieldySnuts | kl4: w or who |
| 17:13.34 | takatumi | jcs: packages.debian.org might help as well. |
| 17:13.34 | mwilson | FromTO: So go into the cache and re-install the previous version. |
| 17:13.37 | Dakishi | Starfury^, i dont know whats that |
| 17:13.38 | FieldySnuts | logged in anyway. else look at /etc/passwd |
| 17:13.40 | goccia | Dakishi: you must do it as root so you will go into troble if you don't' know how to go su : take it easy :) |
| 17:13.47 | kl4 | FieldySnuts ok |
| 17:13.51 | Starfury^ | 486 cpu, pentium1, pentium2 |
| 17:14.07 | mwilson | Not that he's here to feel the poke. :) |
| 17:14.16 | Dakishi | Starfury^, i got a pentium 4 dont know what kind of it, it says unknow |
| 17:14.27 | FromTO | mwilson: I just tried that And it gave me an error: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 17:14.30 | Starfury^ | Dakishi: have you any older boxes laying around not doing anything? |
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| 17:14.47 | Dakishi | goccia, yes i know that i need to be on root =P, not that noob xD |
| 17:15.09 | choe | is there any grafical tool like partition magic for linux available |
| 17:15.17 | Dakishi | Starfury^, mmm i dont know what you mean sorry =/ i am not that experience /?/ |
| 17:15.19 | choe | to partition a hdd |
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| 17:15.42 | Starfury^ | you not experienced enough to know if you have any old PC's laying around doing nothing? |
| 17:15.43 | Starfury^ | wow |
| 17:15.44 | Starfury^ | lol |
| 17:15.54 | Dakishi | Starfury^, lol xD |
| 17:16.10 | Dakishi | Starfury^, well nope i dont got an old pc laying around doing nothing =P |
| 17:16.17 | mwilson | FromTO: I don't allow udev on any box I control, so I'm probably not the best person to help you debug why the package might fail in that manner. |
| 17:16.21 | FromTO | mwilson: I just want apt to forget about previous errors concerning udev so I can install stuff |
| 17:16.23 | Starfury^ | ok then ipcop wont be of any interest |
| 17:16.23 | shingouz | Starfury^: he might have so many pc's there that he is not sure which is actually doing something useful ;) |
| 17:16.30 | Starfury^ | ;) |
| 17:16.39 | mwilson | FromTO: No, that is most certainly not what you want. |
| 17:16.45 | Dakishi | shingouz, =P |
| 17:16.50 | goccia | Dakishi: i've scrolled up and i've seen shingouz told you already :) |
| 17:16.54 | Starfury^ | right sod it i am going to transplant this HD into another box.... back in a bit |
| 17:16.57 | choe | how can i partition a new installed hdd? |
| 17:17.02 | Dakishi | shingouz, hey i am only 14 years old treat me easy guys =P |
| 17:17.02 | FromTO | mwilson: my system is running I just cannot use apt-get |
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| 17:17.10 | shingouz | choe: cfdisk |
| 17:17.22 | shingouz | Dakishi: trying not to lart too hard |
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| 17:17.39 | EL | Alguno que hable castellano |
| 17:17.50 | mwilson | FromTO: And if you make it "forget" about the broken state of udev, the next time you try to boot the box will more than likely be most interesting. |
| 17:17.54 | jcs | Could anyone tell me which package contains the manpages for standard C functions like memcpy? |
| 17:17.57 | Starfury^ | back |
| 17:17.57 | Starfury^ | :) |
| 17:18.26 | zl2tod | gnite all |
| 17:18.26 | choe | shigouz: my computer sais : command not found |
| 17:18.27 | idnar | jcs: manpages-dev, I believe |
| 17:18.27 | Dakishi | Starfury^, hey it says that it finds eth0 but cannot connect to server =P |
| 17:18.32 | shingouz | mwilson: "most interesting"? :) |
| 17:18.45 | Dakishi | shingouz, and he sets ip 10.0.0.2 to router and 10.0.0.1 to server =P |
| 17:18.46 | FromTO | mwilson: Ok I will try and compile the kernel and see where that takes me |
| 17:18.47 | pureone | !tgz |
| 17:18.47 | dpkg | to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ... |
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| 17:19.09 | mwilson | FromTO: I don't know why you'd replace the kernel to solve this problem. |
| 17:19.23 | shingouz | choe: are you root? did you read the manual page for it? if it is not there, how about installing it? |
| 17:19.45 | shingouz | !tell choe about nicktab |
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| 17:19.48 | FromTO | mwilson: because it needs a newer kernel. Apparently that is the bug. it needs 2.6.12 |
| 17:19.50 | mwilson | Why in the world does the new openoffice.org package dep on libxinerama1? |
| 17:20.06 | Starfury^ | ok get this what can make a network card activitiy light go mental whislt sat in the bios |
| 17:20.11 | goccia | Dakishi: 14 year old ? i am just a debian user but i welcome you :) |
| 17:20.15 | mwilson | FromTO: Replacing one kernel with another is not going to do anything to clear a particular package state that apt may or may not have. |
| 17:20.23 | jcs | idnar: that was it, thank you. |
| 17:20.44 | Dakishi | goccia, =D thank you |
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| 17:20.53 | mwilson | FromTO: Unless putting the newer udev back avoids the preinst error. |
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| 17:21.22 | choe | shingouz: iam root and i tried apt-get install cfdisk |
| 17:21.35 | shingouz | choe: and? |
| 17:21.35 | choe | shingouz: but he could find anything |
| 17:21.40 | FromTO | mwilson: that is what I am thinking of. |
| 17:21.50 | mwilson | Oh... because it's built with --dynamic-xinerama, whatever the hell that means. |
| 17:21.50 | shingouz | choe: man cfdisk |
| 17:22.21 | shingouz | choe: if that is not there, rty fdisk which is a bit more austere but works just as well |
| 17:22.27 | Dakishi | [another] question, when i finish installing the internet how do i make it get package with apt-get or with wget??? |
| 17:22.40 | shingouz | Dakishi: man apt-get |
| 17:22.55 | choe | shingouz: it is there |
| 17:22.59 | shingouz | Dakishi: basically "apt-get install foo" |
| 17:23.07 | shingouz | choe: read the manual then |
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| 17:23.44 | choe | shingouz: is there any gui for that program available? iam not very firm with partitioning hdd |
| 17:24.17 | Dakishi | thank you all =D i hope i see you guys in my debian system chatting here again =P |
| 17:24.20 | shingouz | choe: <sigh> /msg dpkg search |
| 17:24.21 | mwilson | choe: How does there being or not being a GUI for it change you not being "very firm" with partitioning a HD? |
| 17:24.32 | shingouz | Dakishi: i'll keep mu fingers crossed |
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| 17:24.57 | mwilson | Hm... it sounds like this patch is supposed to allow OOo to function correctly whether or not xinerama is present, so whyinhell is it now a dep? |
| 17:24.58 | Dakishi | shingouz, xD |
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| 17:25.24 | shingouz | Dakishi: it'll work. just keep working on it, it'll work |
| 17:25.33 | choe | shingouz: well, what i really looking for is something like partition magic or the hdd manager on windows. or just an interface as when i install debian. that is quite easy for me |
| 17:26.01 | shingouz | choe: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:26.04 | yxa | is the transition from woody to sarge smooth? |
| 17:26.36 | mwilson | choe: You use Partition Magic just to partition a disk? Isn't that like using a nuclear weapon with a malfunctioning trigger to kill a flea? |
| 17:26.48 | Dakishi | shingouz, hope so cause i dont know why it doesnt install windows again, guess it made pc smarter and do not accept windows again =P (sarcam) |
| 17:26.53 | shingouz | choe: besides, you havent even checked out the cfdisk yet. it is definitely not too hard. suer, you have to use a keyboard instead of a mouse |
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| 17:27.15 | shingouz | Dakishi: hehe. it has turned into an AI |
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| 17:28.27 | Dakishi | shingouz, lol guess you are important tonight, to all of us that got problems =P |
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| 17:28.30 | thingfish | yxa: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606, last paragraph before 'About Debian'. |
| 17:29.11 | shingouz | Dakishi: typo = i am hitting the wrong keys all the time |
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| 17:29.31 | choe | shingouz: but i have to set values just like cylinders and so on. i dont know very much about that. |
| 17:29.38 | Dakishi | shingouz, =P nervious =P |
| 17:29.40 | shingouz | maybe installing some caffeine would help... lets see |
| 17:29.42 | coywolf | plz help me, this is the screen shot: http://ahbl.org/~coywolf/pub/dpkg-e2fsprogs.jpeg |
| 17:29.51 | coywolf | i got problem during upgrade to sarge |
| 17:30.02 | shingouz | choe: no you do not. just try the damn software before you start dissing it ffs |
| 17:30.27 | Dakishi | "echo 'nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' >> /etc/resolv.conf", what does the >> means ?? |
| 17:30.34 | Phated | Append. |
| 17:30.36 | shingouz | choe: do you know how big partitions you want to have? |
| 17:30.44 | Dakishi | or do i tupe it like that and thats all? |
| 17:30.44 | lvdsn | hello |
| 17:30.51 | Phated | Dakishi: Yes. |
| 17:30.52 | Dakishi | type* |
| 17:30.54 | coywolf | anyone help? |
| 17:30.56 | lvdsn | one software for network administration ? |
| 17:31.02 | Dakishi | oki thx |
| 17:31.05 | shingouz | Dakishi: of course change the x'es for numbers |
| 17:31.20 | shingouz | lvdsn: route |
| 17:31.43 | Dakishi | shingouz, lol i understand that part =P |
| 17:31.55 | choe | shingouz: two partitions, each 50 % of the available space |
| 17:31.55 | shingouz | !beer Dakishi |
| 17:32.02 | coywolf | i got problem during upgrade to sarge, e2fsprog can't be upgraded |
| 17:32.08 | lvdsn | shingouz, only route ? but that give me information like pc's inventory |
| 17:32.09 | lvdsn | ? |
| 17:32.13 | shingouz | choe: can you actually calculate how much half of the drive is? |
| 17:32.36 | choe | shingouz: about 50 GB |
| 17:32.37 | shingouz | lvdsn: you asked "one software for network administration" |
| 17:32.55 | Dakishi | dpkg, with a whu??? (O_O), i am not a good english talker =P |
| 17:32.55 | choe | shingouz: i mean 55 GB (it is a 120 GB HDD) |
| 17:32.56 | lvdsn | shingouz, ok, right, but another ? |
| 17:32.57 | shingouz | choe: exellent. fire up cfdisk and try to see if you can actually figure it out |
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| 17:33.11 | shingouz | choe: 50% of 120 is 60 |
| 17:33.18 | Phated | Heh. |
| 17:33.23 | shingouz | lvdsn: ifconfig |
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| 17:33.47 | shingouz | lvdsn: i can keep on going like this all night. more information on what you really need |
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| 17:33.51 | choe | shingouz: well, it is called 120 GB, but in fact its about 110 |
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| 17:34.37 | shingouz | choe: just try the software ok? you can actually put in there 50% if i recall. geee.... |
| 17:34.38 | mwilson | <sigh> I suppose I really should allow the apt transition... |
| 17:34.39 | lvdsn | shingouz an opensource software like Tivoly, you know ? |
| 17:34.54 | lvdsn | shingouz or nearly |
| 17:35.04 | shingouz | lvdsn: i cannot say i know. what is it supposed to do? |
| 17:35.58 | lvdsn | shingouz, ok, sorry. |
| 17:36.35 | d | can i apt-get the latest kernel? |
| 17:39.00 | tarzeau | d: 2.4 or 2.6? |
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| 17:39.23 | d | 2.6.12.3 |
| 17:39.33 | oi-polloi | how do i change the resolution on kde without going into it from the command line, just done a fresh install and it's at 800*600 and i carnt change it |
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| 17:40.22 | Jaak | oi-polloi: i think you need to tweak your xorg/xfree config files to add larger resolutions if they are not already there |
| 17:40.32 | Jaak | file* |
| 17:41.04 | trc | how do i load the sound applet in the gnome panel (sarge)?, i can't find it |
| 17:41.11 | mfrisch | oi-polloi dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86 |
| 17:41.27 | oi-polloi | mfrisch: thanks |
| 17:41.28 | mfrisch | oi-polloi dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 17:42.47 | eitch_ | hi everyone. I've got a little problem. I've got my USR5410 PCMCIA and PCI Cards working. My computer has got eth0 10.0.0.69 and wlan0 192.168.0.1, my gateway is over 10.0.0.1, going over eth0. Now My laptop has 192.168.0.4. I can ping 192.168.0.1, so that will be my computer on wlan0. Does anyone know how I can get my laptop to access my real gateway on 10.0.0.1? I know it's some routing, but I don't know where. Thanks for any help |
| 17:42.51 | Dakishi | [another] question when i put ed "filename" it says file not found and starts doing something and i dont know how to exit that, how do i exit =P? |
| 17:43.30 | coywolf | i got problem during upgrade to sarge, e2fsprog can't be upgraded |
| 17:43.31 | mfrisch | eitch_ man route |
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| 17:43.36 | coywolf | plz help me, this is the screen shot: http://ahbl.org/~coywolf/pub/dpkg-e2fsprogs.jpeg |
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| 17:44.10 | eitch_ | I know man route. But it doesn't help me to know the syntax of route, if I don't know what to write where =)) |
| 17:44.21 | mfrisch | coywolf have you tried another source? |
| 17:44.56 | coywolf | mfrisch, not yet |
| 17:45.11 | coywolf | mfrisch, but I"ve downloaded twice |
| 17:46.24 | coywolf | mfrisch, and it's from http.us.debian.org |
| 17:46.24 | coywolf | mfrisch, the error happens when --unpack |
| 17:46.24 | coywolf | how xprt related/ |
| 17:46.24 | coywolf | ? |
| 17:46.24 | kingsley | coywolf: Have you goggled the error message? |
| 17:46.24 | mfrisch | coywolf ew weird... |
| 17:46.27 | coywolf | kingsley, not yet |
| 17:49.02 | kingsley | coywolf: Have you checked for known bugs in the e2fsprogs package? |
| 17:49.02 | kingsley | coywolf: If you're using unstable, I suppose it could be related to the new gcc/c++ 4/0 ABI in sid. See topic. |
| 17:49.02 | mfrisch | kingsley he's going woody to sarge. |
| 17:49.02 | mfrisch | I think |
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| 17:51.07 | dvhart | can some tell me how to view the packages that apt thinks it has source for? |
| 17:51.07 | dvhart | (apt-get source keeps saying it can't find source for a package) |
| 17:51.15 | goccia | oi-polloi: if you insist using gui : control center > peripherals> display |
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| 17:52.50 | goccia | dvhart: sources ? deb-src http://ftp.xxxxxxxx |
| 17:53.43 | Pold-zZzZ | Good afternoon |
| 17:54.32 | dvhart | goccia, that tells me the source line, I was hoping to find a list of packages it new about |
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| 17:54.55 | trc | my system is not beeping, what should i check for? |
| 17:55.12 | dvhart | goccia, this is the line I have int /etc/apt/sources.list: |
| 17:55.15 | dvhart | deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe |
| 17:55.23 | goccia | dvhart: ubuntu ? |
| 17:55.29 | goccia | universe ? |
| 17:55.42 | goccia | i like stable unstable testing :) |
| 17:55.42 | dvhart | goccia, yes, I was trying to ask generic questions and not ubuntu specific |
| 17:55.58 | dvhart | goccia, I run debian on my boxes too - this is someone elses machine |
| 17:56.19 | goccia | dvhart: ok ok |
| 17:56.33 | d | yes |
| 17:56.38 | dvhart | I need a more recent version of a package and am trying to build it from their experimental repo |
| 17:56.45 | dvhart | but I can't seem to ge tthe source |
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| 17:57.02 | goccia | i new "universe" but breezy .... |
| 17:57.06 | goccia | hahahahah |
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| 17:58.13 | hoover | I have an installed deb system. I need to reinstall. Is there a way to install over an existing system without a cdrom or floppies? |
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| 17:58.31 | Jaak | reinstall? |
| 17:58.38 | Jaak | ¬_¬ |
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| 18:00.01 | goccia | dvhart: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 18:00.11 | d | do not reinstall! |
| 18:00.12 | d | fix! |
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| 18:00.25 | Jaak | exactly |
| 18:00.50 | TwistedEmotions | If I want to run a normal, standard website mainly used to browse my files... should I go with apache or apache 2? And how come there are two different versions? |
| 18:00.56 | dvhart | goccia, thanks! |
| 18:01.12 | d | 2, its the latest one |
| 18:01.17 | mbonnet | is it possible to stop a process, record it on disk and later continue this process from previously stored data ? |
| 18:01.20 | Jaak | TwistedEmotions: depends, if you have multiple cpu' |
| 18:01.21 | dvhart | goccia, turns out the package I wanted was in main... not universe... so I just another drooling idiot... sigh |
| 18:01.22 | Jaak | s then 2 |
| 18:01.35 | polux | hi |
| 18:01.45 | TwistedEmotions | Jaak: I have SMP.. |
| 18:02.02 | daedalus_ | mbonnet: there are folks working on suspend to disk |
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| 18:02.33 | Jaak | then go with 2 |
| 18:02.36 | Col_Kernel | Hi. I have a problem with my raid array. I created a mirror array with one (!) disk. After copying the data, I wanted to add the old partition as second disk to the array. I get no error message from mdadm, but it doesn't start syncing? |
| 18:02.39 | goccia | dvhart: do not tell me "breeze" cause i will die :) |
| 18:02.40 | daedalus_ | mbonnet: but there is no official, tried-n-true (a-la M$) method for linux yet |
| 18:02.59 | dvhart | goccia, nah, main |
| 18:03.02 | obtix | when apt-get is asking about verification and if the package should still be installed what package am i missing? i know its something simple, i just forgot |
| 18:03.03 | abarbaccia | anybody here can help me setup an ssl-enabled apache2 server? |
| 18:03.14 | TwistedEmotions | Jaak: thanks. |
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| 18:03.29 | polux | i have a debian sid with some unofficial sources (kde 3.4.1 and mono) but that where not involved in today's upgrades. on top of that i sometimes install some packages i build with checkinstall. today i tried to install beagle and, at the same time, i did an upgrade. I don't know when exctly, but since this time, i can't execute a file or chdir as a user, and therefore i can't log anymore except as root |
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| 18:04.05 | mbonnet | daedalus_ : thank you ; you speak about suspend to disk ACPI function ; I just need to do that for 1 process |
| 18:04.09 | j4cbo | speaking of sid breakage |
| 18:04.14 | daedalus_ | !tell polux about unstable |
| 18:04.26 | goccia | polux: is a kde/konsole problem ? |
| 18:04.45 | resiak | mbonnet: Probably possible... You might be able to make it dump core, then turn that back into a binary... Why the hell do you want to, though? |
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| 18:04.48 | cn | what program can i use to see jp? |
| 18:04.49 | polux | ok thank you for ttelling me unstable is unstable, i know it very well |
| 18:04.51 | cn | jpg? |
| 18:04.58 | resiak | polux: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 18:04.59 | j4cbo | apparently libxinerama1_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4.deb is 404ing |
| 18:05.08 | cn | what program can i use to see jpg files? |
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| 18:05.10 | j4cbo | my mirror is debian.lcs.mit.edu |
| 18:05.12 | polux | i just wanted to know where i should look at first to try to fix it |
| 18:05.16 | polux | have you any idea ? |
| 18:05.27 | resiak | The BTS. |
| 18:05.28 | obtix | when apt-get is asking about verification and if the package should still be installed what package am i missing? i know its something simple, i just forgot |
| 18:05.31 | polux | resiak, i don't know which package is involved |
| 18:05.32 | mwilson | Hmm... do all the mirrors that make up http.us.debian.org not have keys yet? As 'apt-get update' moves through the mirror round-robin, some of them verify, some of them complain about BADSIG. |
| 18:05.33 | j4cbo | cn: i just use konq |
| 18:05.33 | dvhart | cn, eog, display, gimp, gqview, f-spot, gthumn, mozilla..... etc etc etc |
| 18:05.40 | cn | :) |
| 18:05.42 | mbonnet | resiak: cause it's a very long process : weeks and i just want to stop my system for hardware reason |
| 18:05.45 | cn | one light |
| 18:05.46 | cn | ! |
| 18:05.57 | j4cbo | obtix: gnupg, i think |
| 18:06.00 | resiak | mbonnet: If you're stopping the whole system... then swsusp2 |
| 18:06.07 | polux | goccia, no it isn't a kde problem, i wasn't logged in kde btw |
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| 18:06.14 | resiak | polux: login would be a good start |
| 18:06.23 | daedalus_ | polux, chances are, it's part of sid brokenness... in which case, you have paid the toll for using sid, and you get to wait until someone fixes it. |
| 18:06.42 | obtix | j4cbo: thanks, let me see if that was it |
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| 18:07.26 | close_to_debian | how do i change the time in which updatedb runs |
| 18:07.33 | daedalus_ | polux, which is unhelpful, I know, but in general we don't support sid. |
| 18:07.35 | resiak | Edit its cronjob. |
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| 18:07.47 | close_to_debian | I cant find it |
| 18:07.50 | polux | ok, i'll look at the bts and wait tonight's upgrades |
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| 18:08.18 | mbonnet | resiak: what package is needed for swsusp2 ? |
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| 18:08.46 | resiak | !fgi mbonnet swsusp2 |
| 18:08.47 | dpkg | mbonnet: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=swsusp2 |
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| 18:09.05 | polux | daedalus_, i know i don't have to ask support for sid, but this problem is more general, it was "what should i try to do to find why i get this error", but i din't know good linux general questions channels |
| 18:09.06 | daedalus_ | hahaha |
| 18:09.24 | daedalus_ | polux: Hmm |
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| 18:10.02 | cahoot | close_to_debian: looks like it's /etc/cron.daily/find you want |
| 18:10.18 | htedrom | polux: i don't think it worked...maybe it's something in my .kde folder? i was messing around in there because my last session kept crashing on restore...but maybe it's related |
| 18:10.21 | Kvant | close_to_debian, updatedb is run by the "cron.daily" line in /etc/crontab |
| 18:10.22 | daedalus_ | polux: Hmm... can you su to a user from root? |
| 18:11.00 | polux | daedalus_, no, neither "su - user" nor "su user" work, i get an error by ssh too |
| 18:11.20 | polux | each time i get a message saying it can't launch bash or it can't chdir |
| 18:11.24 | ke6isf | close_to_debian: anacron seems to be running it. Look in /etc/cron.daily . |
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| 18:11.42 | daedalus_ | polux: does it give you an error or leave anything usefull in /var/log/auth? |
| 18:11.44 | polux | when the problem happened, i was still logged on some terms |
| 18:12.00 | polux | and i couldn't launch a programm or cd anymore |
| 18:12.00 | daedalus_ | polux: does bash exist? |
| 18:12.11 | polux | yes i does |
| 18:12.22 | polux | looking at auth |
| 18:12.39 | polux | /var/log/auth: No such file or directory |
| 18:12.50 | polux | oh ok |
| 18:12.52 | polux | auth.log |
| 18:13.00 | daedalus_ | does /etc/passwd exist (and contain the necessary users?) |
| 18:13.03 | goccia | polux: could be the path messed up |
| 18:13.22 | abrotman | cron.daily won't change the time .. it's part of the cron.daily directory .. which is run by the system crontab at nromally .. 552am i think |
| 18:13.35 | polux | daedalus_, yes both passwd and shadow are ok |
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| 18:13.44 | daedalus_ | goccia: the full path should be specified in /etc/passwd... so I'm not thinking it's a PATH problem |
| 18:13.52 | ke6isf | abrotman: How does one edit the system crontab? |
| 18:13.55 | polux | /etc/group is ok too |
| 18:14.07 | polux | goccia, i would still be able to change dir |
| 18:14.13 | goccia | daedalus_: no : time ago i've done a very stupid thing and i lost the path for the user |
| 18:14.16 | abrotman | ke6isf: you need kung-fu grip! |
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| 18:14.19 | mbonnet | resiak: http://www.suspend2.net/ but no packages even unstable |
| 18:14.25 | resiak | mbonnet: Oh no! |
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| 18:14.48 | mwilson | Huh... apparently all the mirrors do NOT have a Release.gpg file. |
| 18:14.51 | mwilson | How odd. |
| 18:14.54 | abrotman | they shuld dam nit! |
| 18:15.01 | mwilson | Should they? |
| 18:15.08 | abrotman | no .. really i don't care . i'm still on sarge :) |
| 18:15.16 | abrotman | i'm so lazy |
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| 18:15.36 | mwilson | I can update from one in the round-robin, and get a Release.gpg from it, then update again, it hits the next in the r-r, and et voila! there's no .gpg file |
| 18:15.44 | resiak | mbonnet: apt-cache show hibernate. You'll have to patch your kernel to add swsusp2 support. |
| 18:15.48 | mwilson | Then do it a third time, and there is one again. |
| 18:16.00 | goccia | polux: can't remember at the moment but i'm sure it was the path |
| 18:16.02 | abrotman | mwilson: if it's r-r .. they shuld all have it .. or not .. not half/half |
| 18:16.09 | mwilson | Trying now to figure out which one doesn't have it, so I can look for myself. |
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| 18:17.02 | mwilson | http.us.debian.org is *five* machines now, not four. |
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| 18:17.51 | daedalus_ | polux: hmm... well you can check hte path stuff in /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 18:18.00 | polux | ok |
| 18:18.03 | goccia | polux: yes : i was exporting a path and i lost everything |
| 18:18.07 | mbonnet | resiak: thank you very much, that's the answer |
| 18:18.13 | resiak | mbonnet: No problem. |
| 18:18.31 | daedalus_ | polux: I'm also wondering about your ld setup (or libc...) |
| 18:19.00 | cmihai | Note to self: stop playing Zork |
| 18:19.01 | cmihai | >open jar |
| 18:19.02 | cmihai | You drop your light cannon as you being a valiant struggle to open the jar of pickled eggs. Despite years of intense masturbation, your mighty grip is not enough to free the delicious eggs from their glassy prison. |
| 18:19.04 | polux | the paths are ok |
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| 18:19.32 | polux | daedalus_, are the rights handled by the libc ? |
| 18:19.35 | xirtam | are there any tools to convert char-set of a textfile to utf8? |
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| 18:19.59 | mwilson | I think it's a sync issue. So far they all have Release.gpg, but they're not all the same date. |
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| 18:20.47 | polux | daedalus_, it is maybe an error with the lib that handles the rights, i don't know at which level (kernel or lib) they are checked |
| 18:21.26 | mwilson | And they're not all the same file, either. :) |
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| 18:22.11 | daedalus_ | polux: rights? |
| 18:22.46 | polux | daedalus_, permissions sorry |
| 18:24.31 | mwilson | umn.edu has a .gpg file from the 30th, and it validates... |
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| 18:25.45 | TwistedEmotions | What is the search command in linux? Locate has to update or whatever right? So what about files newly installed? |
| 18:25.59 | Slippy | TwistedEmotions: find |
| 18:26.02 | mwilson | progeny.com has a valid key |
| 18:26.05 | sciron | christ, I've been chasing this down for about 6 days now. http://pastebin.com/326250 ... am I correct in that 'host localhost' receiving all those 'Resource temporarily unavailable' messages causing an NXDOMAIN response? I'm asking in here because the precedes another BR for bind9.3.1-2 |
| 18:26.18 | TwistedEmotions | Slippy: tricky basterds.... then what is grep? |
| 18:26.31 | daedalus_ | polux: pam.d handles that I think.... |
| 18:26.40 | TwistedEmotions | !grep |
| 18:26.40 | dpkg | grep is probably at http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/grep.html (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.) or called that because of ed's g/RE/p command, which does the same thing or "Marvel at the beautiful plumage of the wild grep as it glides lazily through the thick morning ASCII.". Global Regular Expression Print |
| 18:26.47 | Slippy | TwistedEmotions: man grep |
| 18:26.56 | TwistedEmotions | bah.. kk thanks ;) |
| 18:27.16 | mwilson | Yeah, only two of the five have .gpg files dated the 30th. |
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| 18:27.32 | mwilson | They validate. |
| 18:27.34 | Slippy | TwistedEmotions: can't really explain it better than the manual |
| 18:27.38 | TwistedEmotions | Slippy: I dont have a find command? I need to install it? |
| 18:27.48 | TwistedEmotions | Slippy: I know.. I dont doubt you ;) |
| 18:28.13 | choe | hello guys, itry and try, but didnt get it. how can i first delete al partitions on one hdd and then creat two new partitions 50% each as primary in ext3? |
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| 18:28.47 | Slippy | TwistedEmotions: I'm pretty sure it's part of a base installation... but install "findutils" |
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| 18:28.58 | choe | i tried it with parted and cfdisk |
| 18:28.58 | mwilson | choe: As you were told... run cfdisk, delete all partitions, then create two, each at 50%. |
| 18:29.35 | TwistedEmotions | Slippy: no your right.. it's there.. |
| 18:29.55 | choe | mwilson: well, i dont understand the comands the man pages are trying to tell me, i am totally lost with the syntax. |
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| 18:30.53 | Slippy | TwistedEmotions: aight :) |
| 18:31.53 | mmiikkee12 | can i get the dpkg bot in my channel? |
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| 18:32.08 | mwilson | choe: You ran cfdisk, but don't see the "[Delete]" on the menu? |
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| 18:33.52 | fuhr | I'm having a problem with the unstable mirror non-US. Something wrong? |
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| 18:34.31 | sciron | 'the' unstable mirror? |
| 18:34.35 | mwilson | fuhr: As repeatedly announced, there is no non-US. Hasn't been since the release of Sarge. |
| 18:34.46 | choe | mwilson: sorry, i just dont started the program. i thought i have to give the program directly commands. now i started the interface and it is quite easy |
| 18:35.18 | fuhr | mwilson, thanks man! |
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| 18:36.16 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here ever used comanche? |
| 18:36.21 | Slippy | people never read the release notes... |
| 18:36.44 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to install comanche? |
| 18:36.52 | TwistedEmotions | I mean how to run it.. |
| 18:36.55 | TwistedEmotions | I already installed. |
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| 18:38.26 | fuhr | mwilson, which mirros I use for unstable? |
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| 18:39.16 | zenit_ | I'm running debian testing. I've configured my sources.list with pinning and added sources from unstable too. I know I can use apt-get -t unstable to install an unstable package. But can I somehow use apt-cache to show information about unstable packages? |
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| 18:39.32 | ma3x | how can i transfer the picture (while i watch DVD) to the TV? |
| 18:39.39 | ma3x | via s/video, but with what program? |
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| 18:39.45 | ma3x | is there a software to do that |
| 18:39.50 | choe | what command do i need to reboot my machine? |
| 18:39.53 | ma3x | or is it just plugin the cable and its automatic? |
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| 18:40.41 | Blitx | sup |
| 18:40.43 | TwistedEmotions | Is there any debian package that provides a gui for apache? |
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| 18:41.06 | fuhr | Which mirros I use for unstable? |
| 18:41.16 | Baloo | TwistedEmotions: webmin-apache? Though Apache's not *that* hard to set up |
| 18:41.20 | Slippy | TwistedEmotions: check out webmin |
| 18:41.21 | exobyte | jffs2 is a rw fs, right? |
| 18:41.50 | FieldySnuts | vague? |
| 18:41.54 | OsRo | tengo intencion de comprar una tarjeta wireless para mi portatil, alguien me recomienda alguna? |
| 18:41.59 | TwistedEmotions | Baloo: I just dont know where the directories are located ;P Where is the directory where I dump all the files? |
| 18:42.09 | TwistedEmotions | http://ovaici.homelinux.com |
| 18:42.21 | Baloo | TwistedEmotions: /var/www |
| 18:42.28 | TwistedEmotions | hahah weeee ty |
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| 18:43.31 | mmiikkee12 | can i have the dpkg bot on my channel? |
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| 18:44.09 | goccia | mmiikkee12: ask ravenbird |
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| 18:44.39 | Blitx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.41 | ma3x | how can i broadcast via s/video from laptop to TV while i watch DVD??? |
| 18:45.00 | FieldySnuts | uh no idea |
| 18:45.05 | mmiikkee12 | huh? |
| 18:45.13 | mmiikkee12 | there's a dpkg manual? |
| 18:45.13 | svenson | Hallo. habe eine fritzcard und bekomme den treiber nicht hin. kann mir jemand helfen? |
| 18:45.23 | goccia | Blitx: what about "handy" dialog ? |
| 18:45.27 | FieldySnuts | svenson: en hut Nederland? |
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| 18:46.03 | mmiikkee12 | goccia: ravenbird told me to RTFM, and I don't think there is a dpkg manual. |
| 18:46.09 | FieldySnuts | @lart mmiikkee12 |
| 18:46.15 | Baloo | mmiikkee12: Yes. http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=runman&location=dpkg/1 |
| 18:46.23 | goccia | mmiikkee12: ravenbird rocks :) |
| 18:46.25 | FieldySnuts | that is all I can say in Nederland, I am sorry I speak english |
| 18:46.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. apache you on your own. no gui hahahah. i know redhat/fedora has, but weak |
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| 18:46.55 | daedalus_ | mmiikkee12: man dpkg for one...... |
| 18:47.02 | mmiikkee12 | !slap ravenbird |
| 18:47.05 | daedalus_ | mmiikkee12: google for another.... |
| 18:47.09 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 18:47.14 | mmiikkee12 | the manual to the dpkg bot! |
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| 18:47.21 | resiak | mmiikkee12: Google for blootbot. |
| 18:47.21 | daedalus_ | oh |
| 18:47.24 | FieldySnuts | there isn't one! |
| 18:47.29 | Baloo | Even my site's search pulled up lots of dpkg info. |
| 18:47.30 | goccia | mmiikkee12: from dpkg manual :This manual is intended for users wishing to understand... |
| 18:47.30 | Baloo | http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=dpkg+manual&cmd=Search%21 |
| 18:47.34 | mmiikkee12 | exactly |
| 18:47.42 | Blitx | goccia: not familiar with that |
| 18:48.00 | ma3x | hello |
| 18:48.04 | ma3x | why nobody knows that!?!? |
| 18:48.16 | resiak | !confuse mmiikkee12 |
| 18:48.17 | dpkg | No, where was their gouda tomorrow, mmiikkee12? lederhosen of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 18:48.18 | resiak | Erm... |
| 18:48.22 | resiak | Sorry mmiikkee12. |
| 18:48.31 | deadcat | is it wrong for me to still use apache 1.3 instead of 2? |
| 18:48.33 | SimonRaven | ma3x: you have a talent for saying things out of context |
| 18:48.36 | mmiikkee12 | !kill resiak |
| 18:48.42 | SimonRaven | !irritate ma3x |
| 18:48.42 | dpkg | ma3x: HELP ME!!! who uses gnome plz msg me, chad |
| 18:48.43 | FieldySnuts | he needs to fully read smart questions |
| 18:48.43 | resiak | deadcat: Yes. You are evil. |
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| 18:48.48 | mmiikkee12 | !log |
| 18:48.49 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 18:48.49 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 18:48.51 | goccia | Blitx: run dpkg-reconfigure blabla and you'll see :) |
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| 18:48.56 | resiak | mmiikkee12: What are you trying to do? |
| 18:48.56 | FieldySnuts | @botabuse |
| 18:49.01 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
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| 18:49.07 | resiak | Saucy. |
| 18:49.10 | deadcat | resiak: i thought 1.3 is better. |
| 18:49.18 | SimonRaven | !better |
| 18:49.18 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 18:49.22 | ma3x | how can i broadcast via s/video from laptop to TV while i watch DVD??? |
| 18:49.26 | daedalus_ | !logfile |
| 18:49.26 | dpkg | Back in the good old days, we would just look in the system log file to see what was really going on. The new crowd of Linux users would rather not have to do that, however; they expect the system to tell them, politely, that their hardware is on fire and that they are about to deeply regret not having run any backups since sometime last winter. Logs are typically found in /var/log/ |
| 18:49.28 | ma3x | i already asked my qustion 3 times |
| 18:49.32 | ma3x | im waiting for an answer |
| 18:49.33 | ma3x | forever |
| 18:49.39 | ma3x | and you don't know that simple question? |
| 18:49.41 | deadcat | ma3x: we dont know |
| 18:49.43 | sciron | okie, when host makes a sendmsg call for 'host localhost', it receives an EAGAIN signal to try again (Resource temporarily unavailable messges).... resource usage is negligible, and I get an NXDOMAIN response. any thoughts? |
| 18:49.47 | resiak | ma3x: YOU GOOGLE |
| 18:49.53 | ma3x | deadcat never connected your computer to tv? |
| 18:49.56 | ma3x | that's strange |
| 18:50.00 | SimonRaven | ma3x: start getting patient, or start getting ignored |
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| 18:50.05 | deadcat | ma3x: you said broadcast |
| 18:50.12 | ma3x | well transfer the picture |
| 18:50.15 | ma3x | how should i say? |
| 18:50.29 | resiak | ma3x: Depends on the chipset. If you were to ask a smart question, saying what chipset, etc, you might get an answer. /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 18:50.40 | FieldySnuts | he said broadcast and I assumed transmit... damn, you really need to read smart questions |
| 18:50.42 | ma3x | chipset = ati radeon |
| 18:50.42 | FieldySnuts | @smart questions |
| 18:50.43 | ravenbird | i heard smart questions is "Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html" |
| 18:50.48 | mmiikkee12 | !meow |
| 18:50.48 | dpkg | Meow! |
| 18:50.55 | ma3x | broadcast = transmit?? |
| 18:50.55 | FieldySnuts | mmiikkee12: shut up |
| 18:51.43 | ma3x | how should i google?? |
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| 18:52.01 | resiak | ma3x: I think what you mean is "Hi. I have an ATi Radeon $model_number, and I'd like to display its output on my TV rather than on my screen. Can anyone point me to documents on how to achieve this?" |
| 18:52.02 | cn | when i use: device bind /dev/blabla address how can remove it? |
| 18:52.33 | deadcat | ma3x: what card? |
| 18:52.37 | resiak | ma3x: Google for "radeon your_model tv", perhaps. It's not actually that hard. |
| 18:52.43 | SimonRaven | @addignore mmiikkee12 |
| 18:52.53 | cn | when i use : bind /dev/blabla address how can i remove after this bind ? |
| 18:53.07 | resiak | !tell cn -about repeat |
| 18:53.17 | cn | sorry :) |
| 18:53.36 | ma3x | deadcat : ati radeon IGP 340M |
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| 18:54.28 | Gokee2 | There is a way to restart the newwork card I heard once something like /etc/init.d/eth0 restart? My nework is down after it got unpluged |
| 18:54.40 | deadcat | ma3x: http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/ he always has good stuff |
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| 18:55.11 | resiak | Gokee2: ifup eth0 |
| 18:55.17 | sciron | what's the next best thing to do before submitting a BR? i'm unable to verify if what I'm seeing is a bug or misconfigured system, but I'm pretty sure I know where things are failing |
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| 18:55.29 | Gokee2 | Anyone know what I am talking about? |
| 18:55.35 | FieldySnuts | wow what was my quit? |
| 18:55.44 | ma3x | deadcat: that helps |
| 18:55.45 | resiak | FieldySnuts: . |
| 18:55.53 | FieldySnuts | weird. |
| 18:56.01 | resiak | sciron: What are you seeing? |
| 18:56.01 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: it was "bitchx, just do it!" |
| 18:56.05 | FieldySnuts | yeah ok |
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| 18:56.17 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: (Remote closed the connection) |
| 18:56.18 | takatumi | 21:55:25 sciron | what's the next best thing to do before submitting a BR? i'm unable to verify if |
| 18:56.27 | takatumi | bah |
| 18:56.52 | sciron | resiak> 'host localhost' receives an EAGAIN signal due to 'Resource temporarily unavailable' messages. so far, it almost looks like a bug for that thread on an SMP system with bind9.3.1-2 |
| 18:57.01 | sciron | i don't know where to look next :| |
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| 18:58.20 | resiak | sciron: I'd say file a bug then. They'll guide you as to where to look next. |
| 18:58.22 | goccia | Gokee2: less /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 18:58.32 | sciron | fantastic |
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| 18:58.55 | sciron | resiak> thanks... wasn't sure if submitting one under those circumstances was a good idea or not... i'll browse the BR list first, obviously |
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| 18:58.59 | Gokee2 | goccia, thats it! thanks! |
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| 18:59.29 | resiak | sciron: It's worth documenting what exactly you've tried so far, and why you're coming to the conclusion that you are. The less work the maintainer has to do, the more likely you are to get a timely response :) |
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| 18:59.50 | sciron | understandable |
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| 18:59.54 | resiak | simonrvn: Decreasing literacy! |
| 19:00.06 | d | how do I disable all sound? (rmmod sound didnt work) so I can install oss? |
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| 19:01.16 | resiak | SimonRaven: ? |
| 19:01.18 | Dakishi | >_> |
| 19:01.21 | Dakishi | Help!! |
| 19:01.30 | resiak | !help |
| 19:01.34 | resiak | Oh ARSE. |
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| 19:01.36 | SimonRaven | resiak: bot admin |
| 19:01.37 | deadcat | dont panic! |
| 19:01.47 | resiak | dpkg: I'm sorry. |
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| 19:01.50 | resiak | SimonRaven: Ohh |
| 19:02.09 | resiak | SimonRaven: I never did get that stuff working with my blootbot. |
| 19:02.24 | deadcat | simonrvn: stick with this nick |
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| 19:02.55 | ma3x | deadcat : what should i download from http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/ ? |
| 19:02.58 | Dakishi | (error message) sorry i scanned 1 intergace but the acces connect of your provider did not respond, PPPoE error still dont know what to do please help me -_- |
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| 19:03.28 | SimonRaven | resiak: edit blootbot.user and add yourself as bot owner (see regFlagsUser in src/Dynaconfig.pl) |
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| 19:03.36 | TaLi`off | debian-fr |
| 19:03.37 | deadcat | ma3x: read his config files |
| 19:03.44 | SimonRaven | resiak: err, DynaConfig.pl |
| 19:03.48 | resiak | SimonRaven: raseac still ignores me. Oh well, it's no big deal. |
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| 19:04.05 | SimonRaven | edit that file while the bot isn't running |
| 19:04.11 | SimonRaven | @die |
| 19:04.12 | ravenbird | I'll murder you simonraven! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
| 19:04.18 | TaLi`off | http://www.nuxo.net/article-337-geek-of-wood-et-le-schnaps-enchante.html |
| 19:04.19 | SimonRaven | yeh yeh |
| 19:04.26 | resiak | Hmm, that could be it. I'll try this another another day. |
| 19:04.41 | FromTO | I am trying to compile kernel 2.6.12 but it gives me an error with "drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:33:19: gamma.h: No such file or directory" any ideas |
| 19:04.44 | ma3x | deadcat : his configs are for xorg |
| 19:04.48 | ma3x | i have XFree |
| 19:04.51 | deadcat | ma3x: they the same |
| 19:05.01 | FieldySnuts | no, they're not |
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| 19:05.32 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: just the keysetting. change freom xfree to xorg or xfree86 to xorg |
| 19:06.04 | ma3x | deadcat after i configure my files, how do i activate the screen on the TV? |
| 19:06.07 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: i am using xfree and sym link my xorg.conf and works fine. |
| 19:06.13 | FieldySnuts | want a medal? |
| 19:06.15 | ma3x | when i plugin the cable it activates automatically |
| 19:06.20 | deadcat | ma3x: channel 3 maybe? |
| 19:06.21 | ma3x | or i should write a command or something? |
| 19:06.34 | ma3x | deadcat: what's channel 3? |
| 19:06.39 | ma3x | program, command? |
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| 19:06.49 | deadcat | ma3x: restart x server |
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| 19:07.06 | FieldySnuts | @nickometer SimonRaven |
| 19:07.08 | ravenbird | 'SimonRaven' is 0.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
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| 19:08.46 | Phated | The Very Brief Return Of simonrvn? |
| 19:08.46 | usernameDeb01 | gd mates.. |
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| 19:09.36 | narg | Anyone have any idea what the ".ram" file extension is, and what plays it? |
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| 19:09.46 | SimonRaven | realplayer |
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| 19:10.15 | narg | ah, thanks :) |
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| 19:14.20 | krakras | on a sarge system, can i safely install gnome-core 2.10 from unstable? |
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| 19:14.40 | mwilson | Of course not. |
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| 19:14.52 | krakras | not complete yet? |
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| 19:15.04 | mwilson | Whether or not it's complete has nothing to do with it. |
| 19:15.09 | Ireul | hi |
| 19:15.38 | krakras | i see what you mean, better to wait for testing |
| 19:15.47 | mwilson | You specified "safely". It's not safe, nor is it meant to be even *possible*. If it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces. |
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| 19:16.03 | Ireul | please I've got a problem with udev + hotplug + scsi scanner... udev or hotplug didn't set the right permission on the scsi device... so I can't use it with a normal user... |
| 19:16.14 | krakras | i know that, i just wait |
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| 19:17.03 | mwilson | Easy... don't use udev. Harder... configure udev to set the permissions the way you want them. Hotplug doesn't have anything to do with it. |
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| 19:18.16 | d | how can I setup sound with ALSA on my system? |
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| 19:19.31 | drac | d: Install 2.6 kernel-image and alsa-base. Then boot and run alsaconf. |
| 19:19.38 | Ireul | please I've got a problem with udev + hotplug + scsi scanner... udev or hotplug didn't set the right permission on the scsi device... so I can't use it with a normal user... |
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| 19:19.49 | SimonRaven | !tell Ireul -about repeat |
| 19:19.55 | mwilson | Ireul: Repeating it doesn't get you a different answer. |
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| 19:20.18 | abarbaccia | anybody here know somehting about setting up ssl servers |
| 19:20.21 | Ireul | mwilson: which answer? |
| 19:20.24 | abarbaccia | ssl web servers (apache2) |
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| 19:21.14 | jbmigel | I figured it would be best to wait till sunday to ask this ;) Are the ftp servers fixed in regards to installing gnome or kde from sid? I tried last week and got many unmet dependencies for both |
| 19:21.19 | Yevgeniy | compiling a kernel - should I enable OSS support? |
| 19:21.35 | Gokee2 | Hey guys I am ziping some files, but I want to do it by adding all files in the folder "files" and putting the zip in the dir I am in right now. If I do "zip myzip.zip files/*" it makes a zip with a filder called files and all my files in that.... What can I do to get my files at the root of the zip? |
| 19:21.37 | SimonRaven | fixed |
| 19:21.40 | mwilson | The "ftp servers" weren't broken. |
| 19:21.52 | mwilson | Updates to mirrors had merely stopped. |
| 19:22.25 | mwilson | Whether or not KDE or Gnome are currently installable from unstable would be a dependency issue. |
| 19:22.27 | goccia | Gokee2: zip -r |
| 19:22.28 | jbmigel | mwilson that sounds like the same thing to me... but if they are fixed now er reconnected then thanks! |
| 19:22.58 | mwilson | You are not guaranteed to be able to install any particular package or collection of packages from unstable at any given time. |
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| 19:23.27 | goccia | Gokee2: zip -r foo.zip foo |
| 19:23.38 | jbmigel | mwilson well it was obvioulsy broken last week, where i would get "package X depends on package Y which is uninstallable" |
| 19:23.41 | Gokee2 | goccia, ok all try that |
| 19:24.05 | Dakishi | goccia, T_T help me dude |
| 19:24.06 | mwilson | jbmigel: No, that is a dependency issue, and has nothing to do with a particular ftp server being "broken" or not. |
| 19:24.08 | Fox_1_ | anyone know where can i find IRC server commands. I want write irc client. |
| 19:24.15 | SimonRaven | jbmigel: machines got moved. updates stopped. deal. |
| 19:24.23 | Gokee2 | goccia, no affect |
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| 19:24.36 | mwilson | jbmigel: Unstable is going through the C++ transition. Many packages need to be rebuilt. Some are installable, some are not. |
| 19:24.36 | abrotman | or cry! |
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| 19:25.08 | abrotman | whoever said sid needed an intelligence test .. clearly lied |
| 19:25.10 | goccia | Gokee2: impossible |
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| 19:25.16 | mwilson | jbmigel: Others *should* be rebuilt, but haven't been identified as such yet. |
| 19:25.18 | astronut | just installed sarge, then upgraded to kernel-image-2.6.11-2-686 |
| 19:25.30 | mwilson | abrotman: Oh? |
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| 19:25.35 | astronut | and now my /dev is fairly empty |
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| 19:25.39 | astronut | esp /dev/input |
| 19:25.40 | jbmigel | mwilson so you saying that even though the servers were moved blah blah I still might not be able to install gnome today? |
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| 19:25.41 | abrotman | joke!!! |
| 19:25.54 | mwilson | jbmigel: Or tomorrow, or next week, or next month. |
| 19:26.05 | abrotman | jbmigel: it's possible .. it's called unstable for a reason .. |
| 19:26.12 | wireddd | it would be so nice if I could just apt-get sun-j2se |
| 19:26.16 | abrotman | jbmigel: if you don't like it .. stop using it .. move to woody |
| 19:26.18 | Gokee2 | goccia, the line I used was zip -r test.sxc files/* |
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| 19:26.22 | astronut | just installed sarge, then upgraded to kernel-image-2.6.11-2-686 and now my /dev is fairly empty, especially /dev/input.... |
| 19:26.24 | SimonRaven | s/woody/sarge/ |
| 19:26.25 | Phated | abrotman: sarge, maybe... |
| 19:26.36 | goccia | Gokee2: no : zip -r dir.zip dir |
| 19:26.36 | abrotman | no .. woody |
| 19:26.47 | abrotman | sure to never change ... shit won't be uninstallable .. he shuld use woody |
| 19:26.50 | tech9iner | G'Day me fellow 'Sarge'nts' ;].. |
| 19:26.52 | SimonRaven | astronut: yes, and? using udev i bet. do 'mount | grep .dev' |
| 19:26.53 | tech9iner | so.. |
| 19:27.06 | Dakishi | problems conecting to PPPoE to download package please assist me |
| 19:27.13 | wireddd | gamerscomplete you really shouldn't chat as root.... |
| 19:27.13 | goccia | Gokee2: put'em in a dir and zip it |
| 19:27.16 | tech9iner | anyone have a clue wtf the mouse preferences ignores large cursor config Please ? |
| 19:27.22 | SimonRaven | Dakishi: please ask you question |
| 19:27.23 | astronut | SimonRaven: what in there am i looking for? |
| 19:27.26 | SimonRaven | your* |
| 19:27.35 | jbmigel | mwilson is the C++ transisiton you talk of to 3.4 or 4.0? |
| 19:27.41 | astronut | devpts? |
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| 19:27.46 | SimonRaven | astronut: the grep argument should tell you that... |
| 19:27.52 | mwilson | tech9iner: "mouse preferences"? "large cursor config"? |
| 19:27.56 | astronut | SimonRaven: did you mean to escape the .? |
| 19:28.05 | astronut | i have some devs....is it devpts? |
| 19:28.07 | SimonRaven | doesn't matter this time |
| 19:28.07 | mwilson | jbmigel: In unstable? To 4.x, as documented. |
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| 19:28.18 | SimonRaven | specifically '/.dev' |
| 19:28.20 | tech9iner | mwilson ?? |
| 19:28.32 | astronut | SimonRaven: no, i don't have a /.dev |
| 19:28.33 | abrotman | jbmigel: don't you read d-d-a ? |
| 19:28.37 | tech9iner | what isnt clear about that? |
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| 19:28.55 | astronut | tmpfs x2... 2 partitions |
| 19:28.59 | astronut | and devpts on /dev/pts |
| 19:29.01 | Gokee2 | goccia, I may have to do that but I am doing the zip inside a program so I was looking for the nicest way to do it |
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| 19:29.19 | jbmigel | mwilson ok sorry for sounding so nub, looks like ill be waiting a while longer before i switch up |
| 19:29.34 | tech9iner | ooooookay then.. no clue whats so confusing about my ?.. any clues appreciated here |
| 19:29.36 | mwilson | tech9iner: "mouse preferences" is a nonsense statement without any context. *I* certainly have no application providing "mouse preferences" other than xset, which has no "large cursor config" option. |
| 19:29.44 | SimonRaven | astronut: nm that, do df -a and look for tmpfs 10240 48 10192 1% /dev |
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| 19:29.50 | goccia | Gokee2: in a script ? |
| 19:29.51 | tech9iner | my my my.. |
| 19:29.56 | astronut | yes, it is there |
| 19:29.59 | tech9iner | mwilson on gnome desktop |
| 19:30.02 | SimonRaven | @dict nub |
| 19:30.04 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'nub' (3 of 6): a small piece; "a nub of coal"; "a stub of a pencil" ;; \Nub\, n. A jag, or snag; a knob; a protuberance; also, the point or gist, as of a story. [Colloq.] [1913 Webster] ;; a small lump or protuberance . |
| 19:30.06 | tech9iner | mwilson on sarge |
| 19:30.07 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.14 | astronut | SimonRaven: how do i get the stuff i need? |
| 19:30.16 | astronut | mouse, etc? |
| 19:30.28 | tech9iner | just got to desktop preferences mwilson |
| 19:30.33 | tech9iner | then mouse mwilson |
| 19:30.38 | tech9iner | and omg! |
| 19:30.41 | SimonRaven | astronut: yeh. udev. udev creates devices on the fly. like devfs, but marginally better (it being userspace, you can stop it) |
| 19:30.52 | tech9iner | there they are JUST as i described huh mwi |
| 19:30.53 | astronut | SimonRaven: if i stop, other stuff comes back? |
| 19:30.55 | tech9iner | mwilson |
| 19:31.02 | tech9iner | amazing huh.. |
| 19:31.08 | tech9iner | but thanks for playing |
| 19:31.08 | astronut | ah, cool |
| 19:31.11 | SimonRaven | astronut: you'll get the original /dev dir. |
| 19:31.12 | Gokee2 | goccia, a perl script |
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| 19:31.20 | astronut | esp after hearing all the stuff on d-d |
| 19:31.22 | abrotman | get it .. make your life interesting |
| 19:31.24 | mwilson | tech9iner: And omg, as I said, *I* have no such thing. So, unless *you* think the whole world uses Gnome, actually providing some context so that people can actually *help* you is usually a good idea. |
| 19:31.26 | Phated | tech9iner: In... -what- window manager or desktop environment? Quit being a wanker, not everyone uses the same software you do. |
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| 19:31.33 | astronut | crap, gnome depends on it |
| 19:31.36 | gamerscomplete | has anyone tried to netinstall etch yet? |
| 19:31.52 | abrotman | gamerscomplete: last i read that joey said .. the netinst didn't do etch yet |
| 19:31.53 | SimonRaven | astronut: hal does, as well as gnome-volume-manager |
| 19:32.02 | tech9iner | my my .. and good and friendly morn to you two 'yutes' likewise rofl |
| 19:32.14 | gamerscomplete | I downloaded the netinstall for etch and it is missing scripts |
| 19:32.14 | mwilson | <sigh> wafm |
| 19:32.15 | rbochan | oh crap, it's sunday |
| 19:32.21 | astronut | ya... i get removed: "gnome gnome-destop-environment gnome-volume-manager hal udev" |
| 19:32.23 | mwilson | SimonRaven: You and me both. |
| 19:32.23 | goccia | Gokee2: check zip -help then |
| 19:32.27 | abrotman | tech9iner: you watch too much tv ... no more 'my cousin vinny' for you |
| 19:32.29 | Ireul | please could anyone help me to setup udev for my scsi scanner??? |
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| 19:32.39 | Phated | mwilson: Coo, a new four-letter word. |
| 19:32.49 | Tibby | Hi, I have an Net install Problem |
| 19:32.52 | astronut | what's the update-rc.d command to have it turn off? |
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| 19:33.03 | abrotman | man update-rc.d ? |
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| 19:33.07 | mwilson | astronut: udev? None. |
| 19:33.10 | rbochan | Hi, my cat Mittens likes milk |
| 19:33.10 | tech9iner | tudes 'certainly' bit of a 'wanker' letdown after my 1st truly enjoyable 24hours on sarge.. sad the arrogance versus the welcomes.. rofl |
| 19:33.13 | Gokee2 | goccia, ok I just read the man page |
| 19:33.16 | astronut | err |
| 19:33.21 | abrotman | rbochan: newsflash |
| 19:33.22 | astronut | i'll just del it from rc.d |
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| 19:33.27 | gamerscomplete | I cant get into gdm because it says xserver wont start, any ideas on what could cause that? |
| 19:33.35 | mwilson | astronut: There's a reason to break your system in that manner? |
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| 19:33.45 | Tibby | Anyone know a WORKING mirror to download packages ? |
| 19:33.46 | abrotman | gamerscomplete: check your logs in /var/log |
| 19:33.46 | astronut | mwilson: well, mouse breaks, x won't start, etc |
| 19:33.52 | abrotman | Tibby: apt-setup |
| 19:33.57 | d | how do I get rythmbox to use ALSA? |
| 19:33.59 | tech9iner | so now.. |
| 19:33.59 | Stormchaser | Hi! Where can I find Sun's Java? |
| 19:34.04 | SimonRaven | Ireul: edit /etc/udev/links.conf and /etc/udev/permissions.rules, and i suggest you read udev's docs and backup everything there before you go fucking with it |
| 19:34.09 | mwilson | On Sun's web site? |
| 19:34.13 | Tibby | yeah i can seem to connect to any of those they ping out |
| 19:34.19 | rbochan | gamerscomplete: try cat /var/log/XFree86.log |grep EE |
| 19:34.22 | Stormchaser | mwilson: I ment in apt repository |
| 19:34.28 | relb1 | what are some easy ways to cut down system startup time? I just installed sarge and put a 2.6.11-1-686 kernel in it, and it takes almost three minutes to boot. |
| 19:34.29 | mwilson | Stormchaser: Nowhere, of course. |
| 19:34.31 | SimonRaven | Ireul: it's not something you can easily deal with on irc |
| 19:34.34 | abrotman | d: i think you have to have gstreamer do that |
| 19:34.38 | tech9iner | running sarge release on toughbook cf-71 Pll 355 / 128ram with gnome desktop .. |
| 19:34.38 | Stormchaser | mwilson: how come? |
| 19:34.42 | d | abro: ok |
| 19:34.47 | rbochan | !tell Stormchaser about java |
| 19:34.51 | asuffield | Stormchaser: sun do not allow java to be redistributed or altered in any way, and the downloads they provide aren't Debian packages |
| 19:34.52 | SimonRaven | relb1: be happy, my main box takes 7-8 |
| 19:35.00 | mwilson | Stormchaser: Sun doesn't allow it. |
| 19:35.03 | tech9iner | that better for the pigtail pulling hall monitors here?.. roflmfao |
| 19:35.21 | Stormchaser | mwilson, rbochan: Thanks |
| 19:35.29 | rbochan | good luck |
| 19:35.32 | mwilson | asuffield: Haven't seen you in a while. :) |
| 19:35.35 | ba | I'm trying to figure out how to change the localhost name listed in logs and such as seen: Jul 31 15:32:11 localhost proftpd[7064]: localhost.localdomain |
| 19:35.46 | goccia | relb1: i guess you wait for exim to time out |
| 19:35.46 | d | actually, I have an iPod and a lot of mp3s, whats a good program that can handle both? |
| 19:35.47 | tech9iner | any clues wtf THOSE mouse preferences are being ignored by sarge / gnome's desktop Please ? |
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| 19:35.55 | mwilson | d: iTunes. |
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| 19:36.03 | d | iTunes for debian? :D |
| 19:36.07 | SimonRaven | ba /etc/hostname, /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 19:36.17 | mwilson | Did I say there was a version for Debian? |
| 19:36.20 | ba | SimonRaven: Thanks. |
| 19:36.30 | SimonRaven | ba: also /etc/hosts |
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| 19:36.45 | d | I wouldnt be asking in debian if I expected a answer for a different OS |
| 19:37.08 | petemc | d: gtkpod |
| 19:37.08 | rbochan | d: you'd be surprised at those who do |
| 19:37.10 | juikop | hey sweethearts, ive got a problem with mounting two partitions with the system start |
| 19:37.21 | astronut | ok, how do i get udev to do my mouse? |
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| 19:37.38 | abrotman | it was so .. non-sunday this morning .. what happened :) |
| 19:37.39 | fr500 | hello |
| 19:37.41 | SimonRaven | try starting x =) |
| 19:37.44 | juikop | ive installed them into the /etc/fstab |
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| 19:37.50 | rbochan | abrotman: I woke up =/ |
| 19:37.53 | juikop | but the do not mount at startup |
| 19:37.56 | astronut | SimonRaven: me? |
| 19:38.02 | tech9iner | everything else in mouse preferences worked?.. controlkey hilites cursor.. |
| 19:38.04 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 19:38.06 | d | petemc: thx this is just want I wanted |
| 19:38.11 | astronut | x fails on startup, it complains about /dev/input/mice not existing |
| 19:38.11 | abrotman | juikop: i think you'd have to paste your fstab somewhere |
| 19:38.15 | astronut | that was the whole point |
| 19:38.20 | nkuttler | juikop: show your fstab in #flood |
| 19:38.21 | phogg | d: I believe in giving a man a fish: apt-cache search ipod |
| 19:38.26 | tech9iner | acceleration.. |
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| 19:38.27 | tech9iner | etc |
| 19:38.28 | SimonRaven | *sigh* fucking udev |
| 19:38.31 | abrotman | !tell astronut about 2.6 mouse |
| 19:38.36 | tech9iner | just not the cursor size setting ? |
| 19:38.40 | phogg | er, teaching a man to fish. Whatever. |
| 19:38.43 | ba | SimonRaven: Any way for it to use them without a reboot? They are set correctly |
| 19:38.46 | mwilson | SimonRaven: What kernel did he say he was running? |
| 19:38.48 | abrotman | SimonRaven: my udev works just fine ... |
| 19:38.55 | SimonRaven | mine too |
| 19:39.01 | SimonRaven | some 2.6 thing |
| 19:39.02 | tech9iner | am i missing some cursor files / libs / ?? maybe anyone Please |
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| 19:39.09 | astronut | abrotman: psmouse loaded on startup, i saw it |
| 19:39.14 | astronut | it's udev, not psmouse |
| 19:39.16 | YargoFlick | tech9iner I'm and icewm dude, you might have better luck in the gnome channel, more gnome folks there who know about these strange mouse preferences you speak of. |
| 19:39.28 | SimonRaven | ba: yeh, but don't expect everything to have it, unless you rstart it |
| 19:39.35 | SimonRaven | ba: restart* |
| 19:39.41 | juikop | nkuttler: the disk is hdc |
| 19:39.45 | astronut | i upgraded to 2.6 |
| 19:39.47 | ba | ah, okay |
| 19:40.08 | astronut | somethings werid with graphics...once x starts, terminal is unusable..it was like this on knoppix but not ubuntu livecd |
| 19:40.12 | SimonRaven | restart the daemon i mean. other things will take it up immediately |
| 19:40.16 | astronut | i think it's the nv driver vs nviia |
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| 19:40.23 | tech9iner | great point YargoFlick .. thanx for the reasonable input guv.. makes perfect sense once suggested it does.. lol.. thanks |
| 19:40.24 | Slippy | I'm bored...anyone got a suggestion for some night time reading? |
| 19:40.26 | astronut | nvidia |
| 19:40.30 | astronut | SimonRaven: me or ba? |
| 19:40.33 | tech9iner | prolly gnome anyhoo |
| 19:40.38 | Ireul | SimonRaven: :( |
| 19:40.38 | SimonRaven | ba |
| 19:40.46 | nkuttler | juikop: what does mount /mnt/data1 do? |
| 19:40.55 | tech9iner | join #gnome |
| 19:40.57 | tech9iner | dammit |
| 19:41.07 | tech9iner | ;] |
| 19:41.09 | SimonRaven | Ireul: basically, you want your user to be a member of scanner, and the right /dev file to be root:scanner 660 |
| 19:41.19 | astronut | SimonRaven: how do i get udev to have these devices? |
| 19:41.21 | juikop | nkuttler: what do you mean? |
| 19:41.31 | nkuttler | juikop: type mount /mnt/data1 |
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| 19:41.39 | SimonRaven | astronut: dunno, behaves ok here. been a while since i fucked with it |
| 19:41.47 | phogg | Slippy: zless /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/* |
| 19:41.50 | jcarr | hey, hasn't someone here installed oracle on Debian? |
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| 19:42.00 | astronut | grrr...guess i may rever to 2.4 kernel |
| 19:42.10 | Dakishi | i need help please assist me T?T |
| 19:42.26 | SimonRaven | @tell Dakishi -about smart questions |
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| 19:42.29 | jcarr | I followed this howto, the installation completed successfully, but it doesn't seem to start :( |
| 19:42.43 | Slippy | phogg: blala |
| 19:42.44 | juikop | nkuttler: it sais wrong fs type |
| 19:42.46 | juikop | ... |
| 19:42.49 | nkuttler | juikop: there you go |
| 19:42.52 | gamerscomplete | I tried to check my logs on why xserver wont start and it doesnt say anything abotu why it wnt start |
| 19:42.59 | astronut | ah, MAKEDEV -v input |
| 19:43.10 | abrotman | EE lines |
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| 19:44.05 | juikop | nkuttler: oh, its ext2 and not ext3, what would be the better choice when i format my disk? |
| 19:44.05 | rbochan | gamerscomplete: try cat /var/log/XFree86.log |grep EE |
| 19:44.24 | nkuttler | !tell juikop about ext2->ext3 |
| 19:44.30 | Dakishi | lol i cannot configure my PPoE, it still says it doesnt got a reply from server what can i do? |
| 19:44.34 | Vladi | hi, im trying to tie in snort and shorewall can somone recommend something? |
| 19:44.43 | rbochan | ;p |
| 19:44.43 | PeterB | !tell rbochan about uuoc |
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| 19:45.33 | goccia | Dakishi: is the eth0/1 up ? |
| 19:45.35 | astronut | hhmm..that didn't do it over reboto |
| 19:45.48 | Dakishi | goccia, yes |
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| 19:46.14 | Dakishi | goccia, i tryed the echo thingy |
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| 19:46.30 | goccia | Dakishi: are running pppoeconf ? |
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| 19:46.38 | Dakishi | goccia, well not right now |
| 19:46.44 | Dakishi | goccia, but i runned it |
| 19:46.52 | Dakishi | goccia, and i get this message |
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| 19:46.55 | goccia | let debian do it for you : #pppoeconf |
| 19:47.09 | Dakishi | goccia, ok |
| 19:47.11 | SimonRaven | s/runned/ran/ |
| 19:47.20 | Esotericisms | who owns dpkg? |
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| 19:47.23 | Baloo | There's always the "Get a real ISP" option for PPPoE users, too... |
| 19:47.28 | Phated | !who owns you |
| 19:47.28 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 19:47.31 | resiak | dpkg: Who owns you? |
| 19:47.31 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 19:47.33 | resiak | Bah. |
| 19:47.36 | Phated | resiak: :D |
| 19:47.40 | Dakishi | goccia, i already did it |
| 19:47.42 | gamerscomplete | alright in the log it says "failed to load module "GLcore" modeule does not exist. what would cause that? |
| 19:47.44 | Dakishi | goccia, still same error |
| 19:47.50 | astronut | some config file |
| 19:47.51 | va | how do i start a new X session on the 8th console without quitting from the current session? |
| 19:48.03 | goccia | Dakishi: your isp is awake ? |
| 19:48.03 | gamerscomplete | also it has failed to initialize glx extension (nvidia x driver not found) |
| 19:48.04 | resiak | va: gdmflexiserver! |
| 19:48.10 | Eludias | va: startx -- :1 & |
| 19:48.10 | resiak | va: Do you use GDM? |
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| 19:48.20 | Dakishi | goccia, i scanned 1 interface but the access (dont know what word) of your provider did not respond |
| 19:48.37 | Esotericisms | anyone know what the underlying script/package/program is that controls dpkg? |
| 19:48.42 | gamerscomplete | im trying to use GDM |
| 19:48.45 | va | resiak: yes, i do use gdm |
| 19:48.47 | SimonRaven | Dakishi: check if the ethernet cable is plugged into the modem |
| 19:48.56 | idis | hi, some X and xfce question, does anyone know how xfce mouse settings work together with Xserver configuration? |
| 19:48.59 | goccia | Dakishi: are you sure your eth is up ? : ifconfig |
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| 19:49.09 | Dakishi | SimonRaven yes cause i can make ping to it |
| 19:49.14 | Dakishi | SimonRaven and i get reply |
| 19:49.27 | Dakishi | goccia, cannot run ifconfig, nothing happens |
| 19:49.37 | jcarr | Hallowed are the Ori |
| 19:49.38 | jcarr | :P |
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| 19:49.48 | goccia | Dakishi: as root |
| 19:49.50 | gamerscomplete | I just insno one has any ideas? |
| 19:49.59 | struggler_ | I keep getting 'Could not open the requested SVN filesystem' when trying to access subversion via apache2. Can anyone help? |
| 19:50.24 | Dakishi | goccia, yes i am root =P |
| 19:50.52 | Dakishi | goccia: i got the basic system, so later i can download rest of package |
| 19:50.59 | Dakishi | goccia: and almost nothing works |
| 19:51.08 | Stormchaser | Question (another): How can I replace XDM with KDM? |
| 19:51.10 | usernameDeb01 | hey hey buddy.. nice to catch a reasonable face here alreday this am thingfish rofl ;];] |
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| 19:51.40 | Kerr | is therea simple way to undelete a recently deleted file in ext3? |
| 19:51.42 | gamerscomplete | hello cans omeone help me please |
| 19:51.42 | SimonRaven | Stormchaser: install it |
| 19:51.44 | FieldySnuts | @fartfish usernameDeb01 |
| 19:51.44 | ravenbird | usernameDeb01: fartfish |
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| 19:51.58 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 19:52.08 | resiak | va: Then in the Debian menu, Apps -> System -> GDM flexiserver |
| 19:52.10 | resiak | Kerr: No. |
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| 19:52.23 | gamerscomplete | how do I install nvidia-glx I tried apt-get install nvidia-glx but it doesnt seem to do anything |
| 19:52.26 | ryushe | Stormchaser > edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:52.44 | resiak | Kerr: because apt-cache show e2undel wouldn't help, nor would apt-cache show recover :) |
| 19:52.53 | resiak | !tell gamerscomplete -about nvidia one-liner |
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| 19:53.01 | Stormchaser | SimonRaven: heh... If it would be tthat easy... I compiled KDE on my own, but I don't know, how to perswaide the bootup sctipt to point to kdm instead of xdm |
| 19:53.08 | goccia | Dakishi: why are you still root ? did you restarted ? |
| 19:53.22 | ryushe | Stormchaser > see above message |
| 19:53.26 | Stormchaser | ryushe: Tried that... It tells me it's not valid XDM manager |
| 19:53.32 | SimonRaven | Stormchaser: that's not how it works. see resiak's point |
| 19:53.35 | Dakishi | goccia, right now i am on a ciberchat |
| 19:53.42 | Dakishi | goccia, i cannot enter to internet on my pc |
| 19:53.52 | Dakishi | goccia, i need to configure the DNS |
| 19:54.04 | resiak | SimonRaven: My point ? |
| 19:54.07 | ryushe | Stormchaser > do you actually have KDM? |
| 19:54.16 | Dakishi | goccia, but i tried the echo verizon 196.3.81.5 >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:54.18 | Stormchaser | ryushe: Yep... |
| 19:54.22 | Dakishi | goccia, and nothing happened |
| 19:54.24 | SimonRaven | resiak: sorry, wrong nick |
| 19:54.28 | resiak | SimonRaven: Figured :) |
| 19:54.33 | cockroach | are the openoffice spellcheckers in sid currently broken? |
| 19:54.39 | resiak | cockroach: BTS? |
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| 19:54.44 | goccia | Dakishi: i guess you didn't restarted and yoiu did not finish |
| 19:54.47 | cockroach | resiak: couldn't find anything so far |
| 19:54.59 | resiak | cockroach: Do you know about the abi transition? |
| 19:55.07 | wireddd | i wish I was brave enough to run sid |
| 19:55.16 | resiak | wireddd: No, you don't. |
| 19:55.27 | goccia | Dakishi: sarge does all the networking job for you |
| 19:55.33 | SimonRaven | nothing to do with bravery |
| 19:55.41 | Stormchaser | Yep... The path is perfectly valid and workable |
| 19:55.47 | cockroach | resiak: i heard about it, but not in detail. |
| 19:55.53 | Dakishi | goccia, iget this message when it finishs |
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| 19:56.06 | Dakishi | goccia, i scanned 1 interface but the access (dont know what word) of your provider did not respond |
| 19:56.15 | resiak | cockroach: AFAIK aspell hasn't been rebuilt yet. |
| 19:56.18 | SimonRaven | access point |
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| 19:56.29 | gamerscomplete | can I get the directions on how to install the nvidia-glx drvagain since I cant scroll up |
| 19:56.47 | SimonRaven | !tell gamerscomplete -about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:56.47 | Mindship-01 | is anyone known with the kernel-package script? |
| 19:57.01 | cockroach | resiak: hmm, i thought it had when it finally got updated today, but maybe i was wrong. anyway, maybe i should just spellcheck it on my sarge box :) |
| 19:57.06 | cn | what program can i use to open xls files? |
| 19:57.13 | tdela | openoffice. |
| 19:57.17 | FieldySnuts | depends what an xls file is (extensions don't mean much in our world) |
| 19:57.19 | resiak | cockroach: oh, I don't know. |
| 19:57.24 | SimonRaven | cn: apt-cache search xls convert |
| 19:57.25 | FieldySnuts | use "file whatever.xls" and tell us the output |
| 19:57.29 | goccia | Dakishi: are the modem leds up ? |
| 19:57.41 | tdela | its a data spreadsheet |
| 19:57.48 | tdela | windows access im assuming |
| 19:57.48 | miz | Where can I get the list of cards supported by xorg? |
| 19:57.51 | Dakishi | goccia, yes i do ping 10.0.0.1 and it replies, all light status green |
| 19:57.51 | SimonRaven | stupid M$hit unecel files |
| 19:57.57 | SimonRaven | err, unexcel |
| 19:58.02 | FieldySnuts | @insult microsoft office |
| 19:58.03 | cockroach | miz: x.org, probably :) |
| 19:58.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 19:58.07 | ravenbird | hey |
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| 19:58.14 | FieldySnuts | ~insult microsoft office |
| 19:58.20 | gamerscomplete | !tell gamerscomplete -about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:58.20 | cn | :) |
| 19:58.23 | SimonRaven | !insult microsoft office |
| 19:58.24 | dpkg | microsoft office is nothing but a squishy ooze of frothy waffle-house grits |
| 19:58.30 | SimonRaven | ok. hmm |
| 19:58.31 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 19:58.45 | resiak | !tell gamerscomplete -about msgdpkg |
| 19:58.45 | cn | i just need to open an xls file! |
| 19:58.47 | Dusk | how do I get firewire to load? I hooked up a firewire HDD and I couldnt get debian to boot.. unplugged it and went right in |
| 19:58.48 | FieldySnuts | anyway. probably openoffice, cn. |
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| 19:58.58 | cn | openoffice is too big |
| 19:59.01 | cockroach | cn: try gnumeric |
| 19:59.05 | miz | There right now... Can't see any 'supported blah list' |
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| 19:59.10 | FieldySnuts | have fun not opening then, next time use a non-proprietary format. |
| 19:59.12 | resiak | cn: apt-cache search spreadsheet ! |
| 19:59.13 | kadigibox | !insult microsoft works |
| 19:59.15 | dpkg | microsoft works is nothing but a churlish pile of headless jizzum |
| 19:59.21 | FieldySnuts | yech! |
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| 19:59.28 | goccia | Dakishi: check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:59.33 | gamerscomplete | !tell gamerscomplete -about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:59.42 | Dakishi | goccia, get erro message |
| 19:59.48 | FieldySnuts | ~insult dpkg |
| 19:59.50 | Dakishi | goccia, -bash access denied |
| 19:59.53 | FieldySnuts | yay |
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| 20:00.24 | tech9iner | ditto that thingfish .. twould appear that gnomes mouse cursor sizing is dead.. <funeralMusicHere> ;] |
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| 20:00.53 | thingfish | tech9iner: yes, well thank goodness it's trivial. |
| 20:00.56 | tech9iner | thingfish well on lappies with dim lcd's.. larger mouse cursor can be handy in bright areas |
| 20:01.01 | Dusk | how do I get firewire to load? I hooked up a firewire HDD and I couldnt get debian to boot.. unplugged it and went right in |
| 20:01.01 | thingfish | ah |
| 20:01.04 | SimonRaven | lemme guess, it's a built-in |
| 20:01.09 | goccia | Dakishi: so you can't find ifconfig nor /etc/network/interfaces : i suggest you restart your installation or wait for some guru "around" :) |
| 20:01.17 | FieldySnuts | badgers |
| 20:01.32 | FieldySnuts | splat |
| 20:01.36 | FieldySnuts | now he's really away. |
| 20:01.42 | Dakishi | goccia, whats a guru?? |
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| 20:01.57 | resiak | tech9iner: Why did you just /me there? |
| 20:02.06 | goccia | Dakishi: the only guru in at the moment in ravenbird : call him |
| 20:02.07 | SimonRaven | @tell Dakishi about guru |
| 20:02.47 | tech9iner | lemme guess.. some freakish rules on /me in here too..?? rofl.. i can type fuck.. but must be careful on /me ?? roflmfao |
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| 20:02.57 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck tech9iner |
| 20:03.05 | FieldySnuts | okay i know that worked before |
| 20:03.08 | resiak | tech9iner: No, I'm wondering why you did it, honestly. It made no sense whatsoever. |
| 20:03.10 | Dakishi | goccia, it is a prob cause in my country DOminican Republic noone knows how to use Linux |
| 20:03.24 | Dakishi | i am so dammed -_- |
| 20:03.33 | goccia | tech9iner: are you missing crappy mouse trrail ? install f* kde and you'll be back at home : it bounce like a kangooroo |
| 20:03.51 | SimonRaven | Dakishi: just take it easy. rule #1: don't panic |
| 20:03.53 | tech9iner | goccia rofl.. like a joey eh.. |
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| 20:04.05 | resiak | tech9iner: And a lot of people appear to use /me when it makes exactly no sense. What you said was not an action, and I honestly want to know why people do it. |
| 20:04.35 | Dakishi | SimonRaven, well i cannot reinstall windows cause it do not boots =P |
| 20:04.38 | resiak | GUSSET! |
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| 20:04.41 | goccia | Dakishi: be the first : you are 14 so you'll run a nice debian down there rep later on :) |
| 20:04.45 | Phated | Gleep. |
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| 20:05.10 | wasabi | So, I had to hard reboot, and I use xfs, and some files in /var/lib/dpkg are trashed. |
| 20:05.11 | tech9iner | never knew that before .. been 2 yrs since i logged onto a kde desktop .. maybe time i tasted kde again eh.. after all.. a dont abide nautilus here.. and always load enough kde libs to have konqueror used 50x a day here on my gnome desktop hehe |
| 20:05.12 | Dakishi | goccia, i cannot afford for another HDD =P, so i really need to fix this |
| 20:05.13 | SimonRaven | you know those battery operated thingys that are just a set of teeth, clacking away? those |
| 20:05.17 | wasabi | Any ideas on how to rebuild them? |
| 20:05.18 | Dakishi | goccia, cannot live without a comp T_T |
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| 20:05.58 | tech9iner | hehe.. clackety teeth... rofl |
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| 20:06.16 | tech9iner | hmm.. brings me x to mind for some strange reason.. lol |
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| 20:07.33 | tech9iner | i say to each his own and peace for all.. rulz be damned within social/human rights limits resiak lol.. in other words .. wtf cares when/why use /me?.. ;].. waste of bloody time isay |
| 20:07.41 | gamerscomplete | what source should I add to my sources.list to be able to get my kernel headers for 2.4.25-1-386? |
| 20:07.53 | resiak | tech9iner: Because it looks retarded, takes more effort and I don't see the point! |
| 20:07.58 | goccia | Dakishi: listen : if you did not do a reboot i think you did not complete the installation |
| 20:08.28 | goccia | Dakishi: to install sarge it take 3 minutes |
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| 20:08.44 | daedalus_ | gamerscomplete: you shouldn't have to add any unusual source for that. |
| 20:08.46 | tech9iner | well then see, at your discretion guv, my favorite rule #1 then.. to each his own and peace for all resiak .. hehe |
| 20:08.56 | gamerscomplete | daedalus it doesnt find it |
| 20:08.57 | resiak | tech9iner: Right. |
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| 20:09.16 | daedalus_ | gamerscomplete: define "doesn't find it"? |
| 20:09.19 | tech9iner | is debhelper a bot? |
| 20:09.24 | resiak | tech9iner: No, it's a banana. |
| 20:09.44 | tech9iner | of course thats not retarded eh?? rofl.. ;];] |
| 20:09.50 | tech9iner | muahahah |
| 20:09.55 | tech9iner | funny.. |
| 20:09.57 | gamerscomplete | daedalus apt-get says that it doesnt have them I forget the exact message but its the message that comes up when it cant get the package |
| 20:10.02 | goccia | Dakishi: when you restart you are supposed to login as user not as root and eventually became root to finish up |
| 20:10.05 | FieldySnuts | it's the weekend, "retarded" is a way of life, temporarily here |
| 20:10.17 | daedalus_ | tech9iner: So, "to each his own" works just fine, until you enter turf that isn't yours (eg. debian support channels). Play nice. |
| 20:10.25 | tech9iner | FieldySnuts great point ! heh |
| 20:10.30 | Dakishi | goccia, yes i did reboot |
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| 20:10.42 | Dakishi | goccia cause it automaticaly unmount CD and reboots =P |
| 20:10.42 | goccia | Dakishi: but what about ifconfig ? |
| 20:10.54 | Dakishi | goccia, i put ifconfig |
| 20:11.08 | tech9iner | daedalus_ wtf ? since when have i not played nice guv?.. i ALways play nice For Your Info ;];] |
| 20:11.10 | Dakishi | goccia, and the shell opens again and dosnt do a thing |
| 20:11.13 | goccia | Dakishi: and /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 20:11.21 | goccia | Dakishi: too many missing points |
| 20:11.24 | Dakishi | goccia, acces denied |
| 20:11.26 | gamerscomplete | I get that it cant find the headers when I try the nvidia onne-liner |
| 20:11.31 | obscuresoul | does anybody know the meaning of the /usr/share being shareable among all archs of a given OS? |
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| 20:11.49 | goccia | Dakishi: nothing is denied to root |
| 20:11.55 | tech9iner | exactly daedalus_ lol.. |
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| 20:12.04 | daedalus_ | tech9iner: use /me when it's appropriate... don't redefine "appropriate"..... |
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| 20:12.29 | daedalus_ | gamerscomplete: Right. Um, what flavor are you using (sarge?) |
| 20:12.36 | tech9iner | incredible.. indeed.. lol |
| 20:12.49 | goccia | Dakishi: tyoe : file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:13.01 | goccia | Dakishi: type... |
| 20:13.03 | Dakishi | goccia then i dont got any other login seccion |
| 20:13.16 | Dakishi | goccia, in the user i put Root |
| 20:13.29 | goccia | Dakishi: azz |
| 20:13.31 | Dakishi | goccia, in the pass my root password and it logins normaly puts debian# |
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| 20:14.07 | goccia | Dakishi: anyway type : "file /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 20:14.22 | goccia | Dakishi: tell me idf this file exist |
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| 20:14.32 | Dakishi | goccia, lol i need to get to my house then =P |
| 20:14.43 | Dakishi | goccia, i am not on my pc right now |
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| 20:15.29 | goccia | Dakishi: tell ravenbird your address and he will go there for "us" :) |
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| 20:16.10 | RProgramme1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:16.34 | Dakishi | Ravenbird, Dominican Republic, Santiago, La Loteria calle #2, House number 9, apartment 2b =P |
| 20:16.34 | ravenbird | Dakishi: You are moron #1 |
| 20:16.46 | goccia | lol |
| 20:16.49 | Dakishi | Ravenbird, thx +P |
| 20:16.49 | ravenbird | i don't know, Dakishi |
| 20:17.03 | daedalus_ | hahaha |
| 20:17.28 | daedalus_ | Sounds like a good excuse for a vacation to the DM |
| 20:17.32 | daedalus_ | err DR |
| 20:17.52 | goccia | Dakishi: you are the only debian user of the Dominican Republic : keep on rolling :)) |
| 20:18.15 | Dakishi | goccia, thx but i am being called a moron =P and thats not a good thing =P |
| 20:18.54 | goccia | Dakishi: of course : you gotta pay for ravenbird feed : give him a nice banana :) |
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| 20:19.52 | htedrom | hey guys...everything in kde keeps saying MIME type not found...application/octet-stream |
| 20:19.53 | Dakishi | Ravenbird, me gives you a banana =P |
| 20:19.53 | ravenbird | moi? |
| 20:19.55 | daedalus_ | Dakishi: if they're calling you a moron, at least they're not ignoring you ;) |
| 20:20.09 | Dakishi | daedalus, good point =P |
| 20:20.16 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to setup password access when it comes to accessing certain directories when it comes to apache2? |
| 20:20.17 | htedrom | yea great point |
| 20:20.50 | TwistedEmotions | I want to share files with friends.. but not public... just want to make them logons and have them access. |
| 20:20.54 | Dakishi | and how do i know if iam a root cause i get acces denied >_> from bash >_> even if i put as username root >_> |
| 20:21.12 | htedrom | TwistedEmotions: check out .htaccess |
| 20:21.16 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
| 20:21.24 | htedrom | TwistedEmotions: google it get a tutorial |
| 20:21.26 | htedrom | TwistedEmotions: np |
| 20:21.26 | PeterB | Dakishi: whoami |
| 20:21.40 | Dakishi | PeterB, thx man |
| 20:21.50 | Dusk | how can I get firewire to load as a module? |
| 20:22.00 | TwistedEmotions | htedrom: does that come with apache2? |
| 20:22.10 | TwistedEmotions | htedrom: or do I install later? |
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| 20:22.50 | nemik | hello, sorry for this noob question but when downloading the full binaries, it goes 1-14, do i need them all? |
| 20:22.59 | Dusk | no, get the netinst |
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| 20:23.33 | colk | Ok I am setting up a box |
| 20:23.40 | mwilson | nemik: No, actually read the installation guide, it will tell you what you need. |
| 20:23.42 | htedrom | TwistedEmotions: google it |
| 20:23.43 | nemik | well i tried that but it never detects my serial ports, and i tried on 2 computers already |
| 20:23.48 | Dusk | how can I get firewire to load as a module? |
| 20:23.49 | TwistedEmotions | htedrom: kk. |
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| 20:24.06 | colk | i use netselect-apt to select a good mirror but when I go to install packages from it it times out Every time |
| 20:24.26 | gamerscomplete | does anyone know of a good source I coudl add to get the kernel headers for 2.4.25-1-386? |
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| 20:26.57 | Schmock | I have a problem with debian: i can install the basic system, but can't install additional packages, because there are hdd bad sectors... i checked the partitions for errors with partition magic and there are errors... when i use fsck repair, the system is unbootable... anyone know a solution? under windows there is no problem with my harddisk |
| 20:28.17 | Whisky_ | How do i play a sound from command line on Debian? Nothing from the outside, just the default installation ? |
| 20:28.48 | mcsmurf | aplay ? |
| 20:28.58 | mcsmurf | ok that might not be default actually :) |
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| 20:29.39 | colk | cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 20:29.43 | colk | :P |
| 20:29.44 | Whisky_ | :O |
| 20:29.48 | Dusk | how can I get firewire to load as a module? |
| 20:30.00 | colk | rebuild the kernel |
| 20:30.10 | mcsmurf | hehe |
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| 20:30.27 | Schmock | does noone know a solution for my problem? |
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| 20:30.50 | shingouz | Schmock: i get the feeling you have a bad hd |
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| 20:31.13 | Schmock | but under windows there is no problem! |
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| 20:31.25 | Elive_user | I have installed postgresql in a chroot environment and stoped the daemon, after this chroot working in a "normal system", but the daemon of postgresql not are posible to launch, the message are: Error: cluster is not running. Any idea ? |
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| 20:31.48 | shingouz | Schmock: but you are not using the disk under windows now. windows is braindead and does not know how to handle hardware in real life |
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| 20:32.40 | resiak | Surely you could run fsck.ext2 -cc ? |
| 20:32.47 | shingouz | Schmock: you have already used three different tools to work on the drive. fsck, partition magic and doze. two of the three tell you the drive is bad |
| 20:32.56 | mcsmurf | Schmock: ever run Scandisk on Windows? |
| 20:33.03 | Schmock | yes |
| 20:33.05 | mcsmurf | there are also special hdd testing tools |
| 20:33.13 | mcsmurf | from Samsung or Seagate |
| 20:33.19 | Schmock | hmmmmm i didnt use doze... |
| 20:33.23 | mcsmurf | which test a bit more |
| 20:33.36 | shingouz | mcsmurf: smartmontools |
| 20:33.52 | Schmock | can i get them on the manufacturer's page? |
| 20:33.59 | mcsmurf | normally yes |
| 20:34.13 | mcsmurf | but tools from other vendors work most of the time, too |
| 20:34.14 | shingouz | Schmock: smartmontools are the same but are already on debian |
| 20:34.27 | tech9iner | thingfish honey's even on 2day.. the opposite of Em hehe |
| 20:34.50 | thingfish | yeah, I saw honey in there the other day too...glad she's feeling better. |
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| 20:35.04 | Schmock | hmmmmm how can i use smartmontools? |
| 20:35.22 | shingouz | Schmock: on debian? install and read the manual on them |
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| 20:35.40 | EmeraldCat | Hello. Could anyone recommend a Linux distro that can be run as an HTTP, S/FTP, SSH, DNS and internal File server on an older Dual Processor Pentium MMX @ 200 Mhz with 128 MB RAM? |
| 20:36.04 | resiak | EmeraldCat: Come _on_. You're in #debian. What do you _think_ we're going to suggest? |
| 20:36.14 | buu | EmeraldCat: I'm definately thinking you want windows. |
| 20:36.27 | goccia | EmeraldCat: here i am on a PII 400 196 ram enjoing sarge |
| 20:36.37 | EmeraldCat | resiak: ;) |
| 20:36.39 | Schmock | are they installed with the basic installation? |
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| 20:37.01 | shingouz | EmeraldCat: dual P1-133 with a bunch of ram. works as a desktop right now |
| 20:37.30 | EmeraldCat | buu: I tried installing Windows 2000 Server, but it couldn't install due to some unknown hardware conflicts. |
| 20:37.58 | shingouz | EmeraldCat: install sarge and stop complaining ;) /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:38.05 | EmeraldCat | I'm looking for a distro/release that incorporate all of the aforementioned servers. |
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| 20:38.17 | goccia | it is called monopolistic drama not "hardware conflicts" |
| 20:38.33 | mwilson | EmeraldCat: Except that pretty much all of them do, so... |
| 20:38.42 | trc | i have no beep in sarge, any ideas what to check for |
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| 20:39.07 | Schmock | does anyone how this hdd testing tool for samsung hdds is called? |
| 20:39.25 | aurax | yeh |
| 20:39.33 | aurax | WormFool.32 |
| 20:39.43 | EmeraldCat | mwilson: Debian "sarge" incorporates those servers during initial installation? |
| 20:40.06 | mwilson | EmeraldCat: Installs them, you mean? I have no idea, but I doubt it. |
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| 20:40.17 | mwilson | EmeraldCat: Contains them? Certainly. |
| 20:40.43 | shingouz | aurax: wtf? |
| 20:40.45 | goccia | EmeraldCat: sarge inconporates over 15.000 packages : i'm sure you'll be relally really happy |
| 20:40.58 | mwilson | EmeraldCat: I've never installed Sarge anywhere, I don't know what its default installation package set looks like. |
| 20:40.59 | EmeraldCat | mwilson: Ah ok. So I will get Apache, BIND, etc. with Debian "sarge"? |
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| 20:41.09 | RichiH | does sarge base install contain anything written in c++? |
| 20:41.21 | shingouz | EmeraldCat: yes. if you install them. and it is Sarge, not "sarge" ;) |
| 20:41.23 | mcsmurf | :D ? |
| 20:41.25 | mwilson | RichiH: No doubt. But why does it matter? |
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| 20:41.27 | trc | solved: modprobe pcspkr |
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| 20:41.34 | resiak | RichiH: I suspect aptitude of being C++, but can't remember why. |
| 20:41.34 | RichiH | mwilson: just curious |
| 20:41.48 | richardshelley | positive feedback and and ebook for just 1p !!! no catch |
| 20:41.48 | richardshelley | please take a look |
| 20:41.48 | richardshelley | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5602685539&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 |
| 20:41.51 | RichiH | resiak: i really hope aptitude is not in base ;) |
| 20:42.00 | RichiH | richardshelley: don't spam |
| 20:42.03 | resiak | RichiH: It's used during the install... |
| 20:42.08 | mcsmurf | *rofl* |
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| 20:42.21 | richardshelley | hehe just thought i'd let you all know! |
| 20:42.35 | richardshelley | it's a good offer ya know |
| 20:42.38 | concept10 | richardshelley, why go there. We can just get that a torrent? |
| 20:42.39 | shingouz | richardshelley: thou shalt not spam |
| 20:42.40 | RichiH | richardshelley: and i just thought i'd let you know |
| 20:42.46 | EmeraldCat | I heard earlier versions of Debian worked well with older hardware. Is this still true with Sarge? |
| 20:42.49 | mwilson | richardshelley: Thought you'd let everyone know you're an idiot? Or that you're committing fraud? |
| 20:42.49 | DarkerArchon | hey, is there a known problem of sarge resolving ips? |
| 20:42.52 | RichiH | resiak: oh. personally, i prefer apt-get |
| 20:43.01 | RichiH | DarkerArchon: i highly doubt that |
| 20:43.07 | resiak | RichiH: Personally, I don't think that either is perfect. |
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| 20:43.21 | shingouz | EmeraldCat: i run Sid with custom 2.6'es on even 486 class computers. |
| 20:43.23 | DarkerArchon | i can reach every host, like debian.org etc |
| 20:43.45 | DarkerArchon | but i cannot reach hosts, which have more than one ip |
| 20:43.46 | shingouz | EmeraldCat: Sid is not healthy for you in anycase, use sarge and you are a lot happier |
| 20:43.50 | DarkerArchon | like google.com |
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| 20:44.00 | cn | how can i attach my linux box to a win network with dhcp? |
| 20:44.17 | cn | just to navigate |
| 20:44.22 | secher | Heyas all. Does anyone know why I cannot find a viable executable for Freeciv? I just finished installing the debs, and I can't figure out how to get it to start. |
| 20:44.25 | mcsmurf | hm get a dhcp-client? |
| 20:44.47 | resiak | secher: civclient |
| 20:45.04 | cn | what dhcp client can i use? |
| 20:45.18 | secher | resiak: Thanks! |
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| 20:45.29 | shingouz | cn: any of them |
| 20:45.33 | resiak | secher: No problem. |
| 20:45.46 | cn | but if the network wants authentication it works? |
| 20:45.58 | mcsmurf | NTLM auth you mean? |
| 20:46.16 | cn | yes |
| 20:47.08 | wasabi | dhcp has nothing to do with ntlm |
| 20:47.19 | FieldySnuts | nothing at all |
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| 20:47.29 | wasabi | So, I had to hard reboot, and I use xfs, and some files in /var/lib/dpkg are trashed. |
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| 20:47.32 | wasabi | Any ideas on how to rebuild them? |
| 20:47.41 | resiak | Yay for XFS! |
| 20:47.46 | cn | ok i attach linux to hub run dhcp client and i 'm on? |
| 20:48.03 | mcsmurf | yes but depends what you want to do after that :D |
| 20:48.07 | shingouz | resiak: xfs = eXtremely Fucked System? ;) |
| 20:48.09 | cn | navigate |
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| 20:48.22 | wasabi | cn: "on"? Sure. |
| 20:48.28 | wasabi | cn: dhcp only assigns an IP address to a client. |
| 20:48.30 | resiak | shingouz: Possibly. Then again, it worksforme. |
| 20:48.32 | wasabi | It has nothing to do with anything else. |
| 20:48.35 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 20:48.35 | dpkg | [filesystem comparison] http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 20:48.39 | abrotman | read the one .. uhm |
| 20:48.51 | DarkerArchon | no one has an idea on the resolv problem (possible to surf on debian.org but impossible to surf to google.com) |
| 20:48.51 | cn | wasabi: after i'have an ip can i connect to internet? |
| 20:48.53 | abrotman | about reiser .. it pertains to xfs too |
| 20:48.57 | wasabi | cn: I don't know. |
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| 20:49.16 | shingouz | DarkerArchon: your DNS is screwed |
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| 20:49.31 | EmeraldCat2 | Wow there are 7 install CDs!! How much time does it take to install Debian on average? |
| 20:49.46 | abrotman | for what? |
| 20:49.52 | shingouz | EmeraldCat: 14 for Sarge. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:49.54 | pureone | 2 hours at the most with netinstll :) |
| 20:49.56 | abrotman | for a base instlal . using the netinst .. about 15 minutes IMO |
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| 20:50.26 | daedalus_ | EmeraldCat2: That's the full dist... when you install, you won't be using most of the packages on the disks... |
| 20:50.42 | shingouz | !tell EmeraldCat about d-i |
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| 20:51.03 | EmeraldCat2 | Is a 6 GB Hard Drive enough to contain a typical (default) installation? |
| 20:51.21 | daedalus_ | Absolutely |
| 20:51.23 | shingouz | EmeraldCat the default is whatever you install. this is not ubuntu or mandrake |
| 20:52.04 | cn | how can i run dhcp client? |
| 20:52.09 | tarzeau | cn: dhclient |
| 20:52.12 | shingouz | DarkerArchon: do not msg me ever again |
| 20:52.21 | cn | tarzeau :) |
| 20:52.36 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
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| 20:52.38 | EmeraldCat2 | Is there any technical support provided by/for Debian? |
| 20:52.46 | daedalus_ | us? |
| 20:52.51 | tarzeau | EmeraldCat2: sure |
| 20:52.56 | tarzeau | EmeraldCat2: yes 6 gb is fine |
| 20:52.57 | shingouz | EmeraldCat: debian can be made to sit nicely on smaller drives too, it is very easy to go under 1G |
| 20:53.22 | streuner_ | EmeraldCat2: you need a brain in order to running debian |
| 20:53.52 | cn | if i connect to a wireless lan and run dhclient i receive the ip from that lan? |
| 20:53.56 | EmeraldCat2 | daedalus_: Heh ;) |
| 20:53.59 | lindenle | /create #raid |
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| 20:55.14 | nkuttler | cn: you could try and tell us what happens |
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| 20:55.39 | cn | i ve not access point |
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| 20:55.42 | cn | now |
| 20:55.44 | stouset | Mornin' |
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| 20:56.50 | nkuttler | cn: you may have to add things like essid or keys... apt-get install wireless-tools and read the manpages |
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| 20:57.29 | daedalus_ | cn: yes, assuming the wireless net has a dhcp server running, and you've got your WEP keys in line |
| 20:57.31 | Alver | Hello... is there a way to tell apt-get not to check a package? I've downgraded kdelibs4 to fix the kmail segfault issue, but whenever I try to install/update anything, it wants to overwrite it, and pinning it in apt/preferences makes it want to remove half of kde. |
| 20:57.44 | stouset | Alver: Do you use aptitude? |
| 20:57.55 | cn | yes all right |
| 20:58.02 | cn | its' true |
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| 20:58.13 | Alver | stouset: I don't use it since I haven't seen a need for it... could it fix this issue? |
| 20:58.30 | nkuttler | Alver: /msg dpkg hold |
| 20:58.33 | daedalus_ | Alver: synaptic would also be an applicable tool |
| 20:58.45 | stouset | Alver: Yes, and you should probably always be using it. apt-get is nice, but having a frontend can seriously help with this and lots of other fairly common situations |
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| 20:58.47 | daedalus_ | !tell Alver about hold |
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| 20:59.09 | stouset | Alver: In aptitude, navigate to the package you want to keep at the current version, and hit the = button. This will "hold" it, which prevents it from getting upgraded. |
| 20:59.09 | mwilson | Especially aptitude, that'll break your entire system on a whim. |
| 20:59.19 | stouset | Alver: You can also do this from the shell, but it's not fun. |
| 20:59.29 | Alver | aha... okay, thanks for the help everyone. |
| 20:59.38 | mwilson | stouset: Don't forget to tell him that an aptitude hold is ignored by every other package tool in Debian. |
| 21:00.06 | stouset | mwilson: Isn't every hold in every package app ignored by every other package tool? |
| 21:00.13 | mwilson | stouset: No. |
| 21:00.20 | stouset | mwilson: I see. Why aptitude, then? |
| 21:00.31 | mwilson | Because aptitude is crap? |
| 21:00.35 | Alver | daedalus_: the 'hold' didn't fix it, it still wants to overwrite it |
| 21:00.51 | stouset | Alver: Because other packages want the new version. You have to hold those as well. |
| 21:00.58 | Yevgeniy | a sound problem. /dev/dsp doesn't exist, even after I MAKEDEV audio. does that mean my kernel doesn't recognize my audoi hardware? |
| 21:01.01 | stouset | Alver: See which packages depend on that particular one's new version. |
| 21:01.01 | mwilson | stouset: Since when? |
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| 21:01.14 | Alver | stouset: half of kde, I bet. :) |
| 21:01.16 | stouset | mwilson: Hm? |
| 21:01.30 | Alver | kdelibs4 is pretty large |
| 21:01.44 | mwilson | stouset: Since when does package management work in the way you describe? Other than under aptitude, which as I said is crap. |
| 21:01.44 | nkuttler | Yevgeniy: /msg dpkg audio, /msg dpkg faq |
| 21:01.57 | stouset | Alver: Probably. I assume they'll eventually make an automated way of putting a package, plus all packages that depend on a newer version of that package, on hold. Don't think it exists as of yet, though. |
| 21:02.09 | Alver | Oh, that's a pity... |
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| 21:02.13 | mwilson | Alver: If you placed the hold with aptitude, then returned to apt-get, your hold is being ignored. |
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| 21:02.39 | stouset | mwilson: It was an assumption. Feeling particularly aggressive today for some reason? |
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| 21:03.15 | mwilson | stouset: If it was an assumption, rather than fact, then identify it as such so that the person over there who doesn't knwo better doesn't get confused. |
| 21:03.28 | stouset | mwilson: I was making the assumption to you. |
| 21:03.35 | Alver | Don't worry, I'm not _that_ much of a complete newb. |
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| 21:03.50 | Alver | I'm just not too used to the more complex functions of apt |
| 21:04.02 | stouset | Alver: Don't worry. mwilson's just being grouchy today =P |
| 21:04.28 | mwilson | Alver: aptitude thinks it owns the universe, thus it pretty much ignores established standards in favor of its own pseudo-standards. |
| 21:04.42 | Alver | Biggest problem is that I can't install any packages because of this... perhaps I'd better just overwrite the package, do my stuff, and manually downgrade again. |
| 21:04.48 | mwilson | Alver: Put the package on hold. |
| 21:05.02 | mwilson | Alver: With *dpkg*. |
| 21:05.15 | Alver | mwilson: I did. It didn't change the slightest thing. |
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| 21:05.29 | Alver | I still either wanted to overwrite the package, or remove half of kde. |
| 21:05.38 | abrotman | i vote for removing kde |
| 21:05.44 | mwilson | Then you either didn't do it right, or you're giving explicit permission for the package to be replaced by using the 'dist-upgrade' target. |
| 21:05.50 | stouset | abrotman: Always a good choice! |
| 21:05.59 | Alver | I didn't |
| 21:06.09 | abrotman | i vote for removing kde |
| 21:06.17 | stouset | abrotman: Always a good choice! |
| 21:06.20 | Alver | but the other packages depending on this new version probably caused the hassle |
| 21:06.29 | Alver | anyway, I'll figure it out. Thanks for the help. |
| 21:06.31 | abrotman | i like this country .. i get to vote twice ... |
| 21:06.35 | stouset | Haha. |
| 21:06.45 | stouset | Even more in some states! |
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| 21:07.01 | Epod69 | hey, I just did a fresh install of debian 3.1 net inst and kdm loads up when I boot up the computer and when I log in and kde starts to load it just reboots during load up.. anyone know what could cause this ? |
| 21:07.04 | mwilson | Alver: If the package you're trying to install requires the kdelibs upgrade, then apt will do it, if you're explicitly specifying the package name. As documented, the assumption is that if you request a single operation, you know what you're doing. |
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| 21:07.58 | mwilson | Alver: It *has* to, regardless of the hold state, otherwise the explicit operation you've requested will fail. |
| 21:08.14 | stouset | Epod69: You log into your fresh new Debian system, in KDM, and the computer reboots? Is it a hard reboot (i.e., screen goes blank, all of a sudden you're at your BIOS) or a clean reboot (i.e., services shutting down, etc.)? |
| 21:08.26 | Alver | mwilson: the particular situation is me wanting to install cvs with apt-get, while kdelibs4 (totally unrelated) is a downgraded version. |
| 21:08.45 | Alver | But like I said, screw it, I already wget'ed the .deb and manually installed |
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| 21:09.13 | Epod69 | umm, it hard i guess, it just reboots |
| 21:09.21 | mwilson | And broke the database while you were at it. Congratulations. |
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| 21:09.53 | tonix | hi guys, is there a way to burn file larger than 2gb with dvd-rw-tools? thanks a lot |
| 21:10.12 | mwilson | tonix: You think there should be something special about that? |
| 21:10.49 | mwilson | tonix: Coulda sworn that growisofs had large file support for ages. |
| 21:10.57 | tonix | yes, it's a growisofs limit! |
| 21:11.08 | mwilson | According to whom? |
| 21:11.30 | tonix | google.. |
| 21:11.33 | tonix | :-) |
| 21:12.31 | tonix | joking apart, i'm not able to burn file larger than 2 GB, growisofs seems work fine on my server with file smaller than 2 gb. |
| 21:13.04 | obscuresoul | "/usr/share is shareable among all archs of a given OS" , this means that the software inside of it can be used in any arch? |
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| 21:13.22 | mwilson | tonix: "google" is a non-answer. |
| 21:13.34 | stouset | obscuresoul: Yes. It's mostly nonexecutable code or arch-independent scripts. |
| 21:13.39 | me_here | isn't there a wine channel on irc ? |
| 21:13.41 | mwilson | tonix: It would seem much more likely that your problem is a mkisofs limit. |
| 21:13.57 | stouset | obscuresoul: Although I think scripts probably don't belong in there, except in a few special cases. |
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| 21:14.06 | tonix | yeah, sorry, you are right, it's a mkisofs limit! |
| 21:14.10 | Epod69 | me_here, its like winehq |
| 21:14.12 | Epod69 | i think |
| 21:14.27 | mwilson | tonix: Yes, so get 2.1 or later of mkisofs, which are large file enabled. |
| 21:14.28 | me_here | tonix: thx very much |
| 21:14.36 | stouset | Epod69: Are you running Sarge or Sid? |
| 21:14.38 | cn | if i want see the source of a prog how can ido? |
| 21:14.52 | stouset | apt-get source packagenmae |
| 21:14.54 | Epod69 | umm...stable, i dont know the name for it |
| 21:15.00 | obscuresoul | stouset, thank you :) |
| 21:15.03 | cn | and to see it? |
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| 21:15.08 | cn | in what dir |
| 21:15.17 | stouset | in the dir you run it in. |
| 21:15.19 | SimonRaven | a pager. apt-get install less |
| 21:15.20 | tonix | thanks mwilson |
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| 21:15.31 | cn | and to remove after it? |
| 21:15.33 | SimonRaven | ...to see it |
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| 21:15.43 | stouset | rm? |
| 21:15.45 | cn | lol simon |
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| 21:15.55 | cn | ok |
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| 21:16.15 | cn | thanks |
| 21:16.20 | SimonRaven | @tell aaaa -about root |
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| 21:17.13 | mathieu_ | hi, i'm on sid. after a reboot /dev/input/mice doesn't exist anymore. what should i be checking? |
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| 21:17.35 | mathieu_ | no /dev/input either |
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| 21:17.42 | Epod69 | did you try /dev/psaux |
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| 21:18.05 | stouset | mathieu_: Do you have hotplug and udev installed? |
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| 21:18.20 | TCW | oh lord... why the hell is #ldap so sleepy?! :) |
| 21:18.31 | Yevgeniy | doh |
| 21:18.38 | SimonRaven | because it is |
| 21:18.44 | mathieu_ | stouset: yes |
| 21:19.15 | stouset | mathieu_: lsmod | grep mouse |
| 21:19.24 | Yevgeniy | didn't include my sound module, that's why it doesn't work |
| 21:19.32 | mathieu_ | stouset: nothing |
| 21:19.38 | resiak | mathieu_: Are you using a 2.6.12 ? |
| 21:19.54 | mathieu_ | resiak: 2.6.10 |
| 21:19.55 | resiak | !btssmite mathieu_ |
| 21:20.21 | mathieu_ | the kernel didn't change since last reboot |
| 21:20.38 | stouset | mathieu_: can you modprobe mousedev and psmouse, just for shits and giggles? |
| 21:20.39 | resiak | mathieu_: But udev did. It now needs 2.6.12. |
| 21:21.11 | stouset | resiak: *blink* what?! |
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| 21:21.36 | SimonRaven | stouset: yes. current sid udev needs 2.6.12 |
| 21:21.41 | resiak | stouset: So I heard, at least. |
| 21:21.44 | mathieu_ | resiak: thanks |
| 21:21.56 | resiak | mathieu_: Oh look! On bugs.debian.org/udev there is a bug with _your_ _issue_ as the subject! |
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| 21:22.13 | SimonRaven | *amazing* |
| 21:22.25 | astronut | geeze...the default kernel config takes FOREVER to compile |
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| 21:22.47 | mwilson | Yes, and the amazing maintainer doesn't think there's anything wrong with having uploaded to unstable a udev that won't work with any kernel currently in unstable. One wonders how he managed to test the package... |
| 21:22.54 | t0urneviiiz | astronut: thats what happen when you're still using a 386 |
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| 21:23.37 | astronut | t0urneviiiz: athlon xp mobile 3000+ |
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| 21:24.29 | astronut | mwilson: i don't run a debian kernel...a lot don't |
| 21:24.39 | astronut | if you do any kind of custom compilation, you probably use upstream source |
| 21:24.42 | mwilson | astronut: How is that relevant? |
| 21:24.44 | SimonRaven | mwilson: that's no longer the case |
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| 21:24.56 | Yevgeniy | astronut : the default kernel configuration includes a lot of modules |
| 21:24.56 | astronut | mwilson: "One wonders how he managed to test the package..." |
| 21:25.08 | mwilson | SimonRaven: Oh? d'Itri became sane again? Or there's been a 2.6.12 uploaded? |
| 21:25.10 | astronut | Yevgeniy: i know this...i was just commenting because it's been compiling a while |
| 21:25.18 | SimonRaven | mwilson: there's a 2.6.12 |
| 21:25.23 | mwilson | astronut: Yes, one wonders how he tested it. |
| 21:25.42 | astronut | if you do any kind of custom compilation of your own kenrel (like most people), you probably use upstream source |
| 21:25.45 | mwilson | astronut: Since the use of upstream source is not at all relevant. |
| 21:25.46 | astronut | hence, testing isn't hard |
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| 21:25.56 | astronut | mwilson: i was running 2.6.12 b4 the udev issue |
| 21:25.59 | t0urneviiiz | astronut: how can that take forever, my mips 250mhz builds one in 4h :) |
| 21:26.02 | mwilson | astronut: Good for you. |
| 21:26.19 | astronut | mwilson: so was he probably |
| 21:26.21 | astronut | was my point |
| 21:26.34 | mwilson | astronut: At the time, there were no 2.6.12 packages. Therefore, the package could not be tested. End of sentence. |
| 21:26.59 | mwilson | astronut: Being able to pull in random unpackaged sources is not relevant. |
| 21:27.17 | astronut | mwilson: ever hear of make-kpkg? |
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| 21:27.32 | mwilson | astronut: Ever hear of "there were no 2.6.12 packages"? |
| 21:27.35 | FromTO | I am having a problem compiling 2.6.12 because of drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o; drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:33:19: gamma.h: No such file or directory. How do I compile the kernel without this driver. I am using my existing config file which does not have this driver |
| 21:27.44 | astronut | well, he had a 2.6.12 package, there just wasn't one in apt |
| 21:27.57 | astronut | it was packaged...just not in the archive |
| 21:28.01 | astronut | and not the official package |
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| 21:28.14 | mwilson | astronut: It's a simple concept... I'm not sure why you have such a problem with the idea that package (A) requiring package (B), when package (B) is not in Debian, might be a problem. |
| 21:28.30 | astronut | mwilson: see 'aspell' |
| 21:28.37 | mwilson | astronut: That is one of the definitions of a 'grave' bug. |
| 21:28.42 | astronut | mwilson: serious actually |
| 21:28.50 | mwilson | astronut: Why would I see 'aspell'? The two aren't at all related. |
| 21:29.20 | astronut | mwilson: err, gaim, sorry |
| 21:29.27 | mwilson | Or gaim. |
| 21:29.32 | astronut | gaim depends on aspell libs that haven't hit unstable yet |
| 21:29.50 | mwilson | Uh, no, sorry, but you're quite wrong. |
| 21:30.14 | astronut | mwilson: really? part of the G++ transition...i'm repeating vorlon's explanation |
| 21:30.27 | abrotman | bah .. vorlon .. what does he know |
| 21:30.39 | astronut | abrotman: assuming sarcasm? |
| 21:30.47 | mwilson | rei $ sudo apt-get install gaim |
| 21:30.51 | abrotman | astronut: does it matter? |
| 21:30.51 | mwilson | gaim is already the newest version. |
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| 21:31.03 | astronut | mwilson: in unstable? |
| 21:31.04 | mwilson | Wow... what happened to those not-available libraries? |
| 21:31.10 | astronut | mwilson: do you have aspell-bin and aspell-en? |
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| 21:31.46 | astronut | doing apt-get install gaim forces an upgrade, breaks aspell's recommends and removes the -bin and -en packages, which breaks aspell |
| 21:31.54 | mwilson | aspell-bin is deprecated. Don't you read changelogs? |
| 21:32.31 | FieldySnuts | normal users read change logs? (even most advanced ones), yeah right |
| 21:32.33 | mwilson | debian/control: merged aspell-bin back into aspell, since there really |
| 21:32.34 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.12 | astronut | aspell-en still is broken |
| 21:33.17 | mwilson | And yes, I have aspell-en installed. aspell wouldn't be much use without it. |
| 21:33.18 | astronut | so aspell is broken |
| 21:33.20 | astronut | Error: No word lists can be found for the language "en_US". |
| 21:33.35 | mwilson | rei $ dpkg -l | grep aspell-en |
| 21:33.35 | mwilson | ii aspell-en 6.0-0-5 English dictionary for GNU Aspell |
| 21:33.39 | astronut | meh...it wasn't there yesterday... |
| 21:33.40 | mwilson | Uh, huh... try again. |
| 21:33.50 | t0urneviiiz | hey, does anyone know how I can pass some commands to my kernel upon boot, because I get a kernel panic (it's trying to load root as hda1 but in fact root is hda4 |
| 21:34.12 | t0urneviiiz | im trying to pass the args to it via colo (im using a cobalt) but it dont seem to accept them |
| 21:34.17 | mwilson | Sure it wasn't there yesterday... after all, the changelog entry is only dated the 21st. |
| 21:34.27 | nse | Hello everybody, Nautilus is crashing when started whit the msg "nautilus-audio-view crashed". Nautilus if working fine for other user, it is a configuration problem. I've tried to move .gnome* and .gconf* out of the way without results, it is just crashing all the time. How can I go roud this? |
| 21:34.37 | astronut | mwilson: which was while ftp master was moved, hence it didnt' hit arvhive |
| 21:34.37 | abrotman | nse: again ? |
| 21:34.41 | FieldySnuts | t0urneviiiz: root=/dev/hda4 (guessing) |
| 21:34.41 | mwilson | I don't know why people claim things that are so easily checked to be wrong. |
| 21:34.42 | astronut | was it not? |
| 21:34.55 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: ego. they think they are right, and be damed if they are wrong |
| 21:35.01 | t0urneviiiz | FieldySnuts: thats what i'm trying, but for some unknown reason the kernel will still load /dev/hda1 |
| 21:35.03 | nse | abrotman: the problem is not fixed yet :( |
| 21:35.22 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:35.27 | t0urneviiiz | thats my command line: 2> execute root=/dev/hda4 console=ttyS0,115200 |
| 21:35.27 | FieldySnuts | t0urneviiiz: probably have to edit lilos config or grubs config or something, how you do that remotely i dunno, get a colo staff to help. if they won't help, host somewhere else |
| 21:35.35 | t0urneviiiz | and thats what the post says: Kernel command line: console=ttyS0,115200 root=/dev/hda1 |
| 21:35.59 | FieldySnuts | not sure. brb |
| 21:36.03 | t0urneviiiz | im hosting right here under my monitor, colo is the boot loader |
| 21:36.23 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: *I* always read changelogs. I run unstable, don't I? |
| 21:36.34 | SimonRaven | col == colocation / colocated |
| 21:36.38 | SimonRaven | err, colo |
| 21:36.47 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: you have common sense. 95.900009% of users don't. and 23.9% of devs don't. |
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| 21:37.11 | t0urneviiiz | SimonRaven: colo is also a boot loader as in CObalt LOader |
| 21:37.18 | astronut | anyway to have apt show changelogs prior to installing? |
| 21:37.19 | t0urneviiiz | http://www.colonel-panic.org/cobalt-mips/ |
| 21:37.32 | mwilson | astronut: apt-listchanges |
| 21:37.34 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 21:38.00 | astronut | mwilson: you have to do it manually or is there a way to tie it into apt-get upgrade? |
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| 21:38.34 | mwilson | astronut: Read the documentation, and then you will know. |
| 21:38.45 | SimonRaven | astronut: install it. use it. it'll set it up for you according to what you answer in its debconf screens |
| 21:39.00 | astronut | ah, ok, cool... |
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| 21:39.16 | david__ | what's a good ftp client? |
| 21:39.23 | david__ | err server ;( |
| 21:39.25 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: No, I have no common sense at all. I have *intelligence*. |
| 21:39.30 | t0urneviiiz | glftpd |
| 21:39.37 | FieldySnuts | ok |
| 21:39.37 | bucky | proftp |
| 21:39.46 | t0urneviiiz | glftpd is 1337 |
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| 21:39.56 | SimonRaven | .. |
| 21:40.03 | t0urneviiiz | :) |
| 21:40.38 | bucky | glftpd isn't in sarge |
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| 21:40.44 | t0urneviiiz | of course not |
| 21:40.47 | RichiH | where can i set the keymap for the virtual terminals, again? |
| 21:40.51 | t0urneviiiz | its probably not even in a single distro |
| 21:40.53 | micropal | How can I make debian turn of my computer after some time of inactivity? |
| 21:40.58 | david__ | bucky, isnt' in sarge? |
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| 21:41.10 | bucky | t0urneviiiz, which distro are you using? |
| 21:41.11 | mwilson | micropal: You don't. |
| 21:41.24 | t0urneviiiz | bucky: sarge |
| 21:41.24 | cmihai | micropal: I thought the Power Company took care of that... |
| 21:42.06 | david__ | ok, trying out proftp |
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| 21:43.43 | mathieu_ | resiak: i first had to know that udev was the problem to check that page. but thank you anyway for your help |
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| 21:44.33 | bucky | t0urneviiiz, so what did you do build glftpd? |
| 21:44.46 | t0urneviiiz | i didnt say i was using it |
| 21:45.04 | nse | Hello everybody, Nautilus is crashing when started with the msg "nautilus-audio-view crashed". Nautilus is working fine for other users, it is a configuration problem. I've tried to move .gnome* and .gconf* out of the way without results, it is just crashing all the time. How can I go roud this? |
| 21:45.28 | FieldySnuts | dumb gnome app |
| 21:45.35 | david__ | where do i find the proftp files? |
| 21:45.51 | bucky | t0urneviiiz, what are you doing giving advice in here and running windows? |
| 21:46.32 | t0urneviiiz | whats wrong with having a windows workstation when you are a graphical designer? and dont go telling me to use gimp please |
| 21:46.32 | bucky | david__, apt-get install proftpd |
| 21:46.42 | t0urneviiiz | i have 2 raq servers running debian, one being my router and my laptop has ubuntu |
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| 21:46.56 | david__ | bucky, it's installed, i meant the config files |
| 21:47.12 | t0urneviiiz | now please stop those lame lines |
| 21:47.33 | karim | t0urneviiiz, just ignore the trolls |
| 21:47.36 | bucky | t0urneviiiz, why tell someone to use something not in the repository? |
| 21:47.59 | t0urneviiiz | bucky: you mean, if its not in the repository, it cant be used? |
| 21:48.03 | bucky | david__, edit /etc/proftpd.conf and uncomment the right lines and restart it |
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| 21:48.11 | david__ | thanks :D |
| 21:48.24 | anso | hi |
| 21:48.39 | bucky | t0urneviiiz, you don't want to make it easy for him? |
| 21:48.55 | bucky | or do you just want to stroke your own ego |
| 21:49.04 | t0urneviiiz | im sorry but he only asked what was a good ftp server, not how to install it |
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| 21:49.25 | t0urneviiiz | and i dont have such a big ego, im just answering questions that i can |
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| 21:49.54 | t0urneviiiz | now lets get over this, its ending up nowhere and we are wasting everyone's bandwith and active pixels |
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| 21:50.16 | abrotman | GAH .. mY PIXELS!!!!! |
| 21:50.31 | t0urneviiiz | haha |
| 21:50.33 | bucky | bobby@0wnz.vizi0n.com == EGO |
| 21:50.51 | t0urneviiiz | no, thats called user@host |
| 21:50.54 | abrotman | bucky: or a poor speller |
| 21:50.54 | bucky | you forgot the o in com.. it should be a '0' |
| 21:51.09 | t0urneviiiz | yeah, whatever |
| 21:51.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:51.30 | t0urneviiiz | just go and buy me vizion.com and i will change it, i swear |
| 21:51.39 | cn | if a proxy gives a prompt of login on a win client it will happen also for a linux one? |
| 21:51.48 | cn | in a lan |
| 21:52.10 | FieldySnuts | depends on the server |
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| 21:52.50 | abrotman | cn: probably |
| 21:52.51 | FieldySnuts | if the proxy is a windows server, it's probably NTLM and won't work with any linux browser, except maybe mozilla with ntlm support (good luck on that). if the server is linux, and say squid, then any browser can use it. and the browser can be configured what username and password to use |
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| 21:53.38 | cn | firefox too? |
| 21:54.11 | cn | mozilla is natively with ntlm support? |
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| 21:54.22 | FieldySnuts | i have no idea, unlikely |
| 21:54.30 | mwilson | cn: Yes. |
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| 21:54.36 | mwilson | cn: Since 1.7 |
| 21:54.47 | cn | mwilson : then it works? |
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| 21:55.48 | mwilson | cn: Why do you ask me a question like that? |
| 21:55.50 | arweed | ok, im noob. anyway, what is that pack called, the one you can get right after you've installed debian? (i know.. my english sucks) |
| 21:56.16 | cn | mwilson : so |
| 21:56.28 | FieldySnuts | @annoy cn |
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| 21:56.29 | ravenbird | cn: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
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| 21:57.05 | bucky | arweed, the service pack ? |
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| 21:57.24 | FieldySnuts | hello mhall |
| 21:57.38 | arweed | guess so, bucky :P |
| 21:57.47 | ma3x | hello guys, do you know where can i download open source drivers for my graphic card (ati radeon igp 340 M) |
| 21:57.50 | zamolxes | arweed: what do you need to do? |
| 21:57.50 | bucky | SP1 or SP2 ? |
| 21:58.02 | Kerr | ? |
| 21:58.03 | arweed | it got lots of "usefull" things |
| 21:58.04 | streuner_ | ma3x: /msg dpkg ati |
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| 21:58.15 | SimonRaven | 'useful' |
| 21:58.23 | arweed | whatever :P |
| 21:58.35 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
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| 21:58.48 | zamolxes | arweed: you mean aptitude maybe? |
| 21:58.53 | Kerr | How can i see what repository an installed deb came from? |
| 21:58.57 | arweed | yeah maybe |
| 21:59.08 | streuner_ | Kerr: you can't |
| 21:59.18 | zamolxes | this is like sharades over irc |
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| 21:59.34 | streuner_ | Kerr: ones they are installed you have to live with this package... ;-) |
| 21:59.41 | Kerr | irssi-snapshot on my uni pc just downgraded me to 0.8.6 ... where as on this box it's 8.10 ? |
| 21:59.45 | SimonRaven | you can |
| 22:00.00 | SimonRaven | man apt-cache |
| 22:00.20 | arweed | is there any packages containing things you need for compiling ++ ? :P |
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| 22:00.33 | streuner_ | !b-e arweed |
| 22:00.34 | dpkg | arweed: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 22:00.39 | SimonRaven | yes. see aforementioned man page |
| 22:00.43 | arweed | aha! |
| 22:00.47 | wishie[bbs] | ftp-master is alive again ? |
| 22:00.53 | streuner_ | yes |
| 22:01.04 | mhall | FieldySnuts: 'lo! |
| 22:01.04 | wishie[bbs] | when are the mirrors expected to be up to date ? |
| 22:01.15 | ZibiKebir | can anybody help me set up a wireless mn-510 usb card, pm me |
| 22:01.16 | SimonRaven | wir |
| 22:01.29 | SimonRaven | !pm me |
| 22:01.35 | SimonRaven | !msg me |
| 22:01.36 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg simonraven. |
| 22:01.58 | mhall | Well I tried using Debian on my new 64-bit laptop, and it's not happening because the ACPI Battery driver is hopelessly fucked. |
| 22:02.00 | yam | ugh... on one of my servers I'm getting errors like this: |
| 22:02.01 | yam | line 1: auto: command not found |
| 22:02.08 | mhall | And a laptop without that driver is essentially useless. :-/ |
| 22:02.10 | yam | executing some simple commands |
| 22:02.10 | yam | awk |
| 22:02.12 | yam | w |
| 22:02.16 | yam | more |
| 22:02.19 | mhall | So now it's time to try Solaris 10. |
| 22:02.22 | yam | any clue what has happened? |
| 22:02.25 | streuner_ | mhall: hehe |
| 22:02.30 | ZibiKebir | can anybody help me set up a wireless mn-510 usb card |
| 22:02.35 | mhall | That's the first box I've had that couldn't do Debian. |
| 22:02.43 | wishie[bbs] | bbs |
| 22:02.44 | streuner_ | mhall: why, its a SUN laptop? |
| 22:03.07 | mhall | streuner_: Since it's an Acer 64-bit laptop and Sun actually uses them as their official PC laptops, they are VERY well supported by Solaris 10. |
| 22:03.13 | SimonRaven | ZibiKebir: just ask. state your problem, what the h/w is, and so on |
| 22:03.14 | Rangitoto | After installing debian on a computer which is in a peer to peer LAN, the other computers didn't recognise it. When setting up the networking in Debian, the only thing I wasn't sure of was the host name; I used "debian". I noticed that the Windows 98 computers both had the host name as "Quicksilver". Any suggestions? |
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| 22:03.27 | TCW | ZibiKebir, see what SimonRaven did and what dpkg answerd... and try to understand it. |
| 22:03.31 | arweed | best way to get apache, php & mysql = ? :P |
| 22:03.37 | mhall | streuner_: All the Sun guys use Acer Ferraris. I have the non-Ferrari model but the guts are almost 100% the same |
| 22:03.44 | streuner_ | mhall: Haver you ever used /msg dpkg laptop? |
| 22:03.46 | SimonRaven | arweed: install them |
| 22:03.58 | petemc | unlucky for the sun guys |
| 22:04.12 | cmihai | mhall: isn't that ugly red laptop?? |
| 22:04.14 | arweed | SimonRaven: can i install them all in 1 apt-get ? |
| 22:04.27 | mhall | cmihai: I have the _non_ Ferrari version. |
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| 22:04.33 | SimonRaven | arweed: of course. this isn't M$-DO$ |
| 22:04.39 | mhall | cmihai: Plus you can get it in carbon fibre gray, which looks sweet. |
| 22:04.39 | arweed | cool. how? |
| 22:04.47 | ZibiKebir | ok the problem with my adapter is that it is recognized when i do a lsusb command, meanign its found in the bios but its not found as one of the network interfaces |
| 22:04.48 | cmihai | Ah :). |
| 22:04.50 | SimonRaven | man apt-get |
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| 22:04.58 | arweed | bah |
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| 22:05.10 | cmihai | mhall: 64 bit...what proc, AMD64? |
| 22:05.18 | mhall | cmihai: Turion 64 |
| 22:05.21 | SimonRaven | you want silver platters, go install winbloze |
| 22:05.24 | mhall | cmihai: 800 / 1600 mhz |
| 22:05.24 | Yevgeniy | 0.0 |
| 22:05.30 | ZibiKebir | when i do ifconfig only eth0 is found and lo is found but no wlan |
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| 22:05.42 | concept10 | I want a silver platter |
| 22:05.48 | nigga | hi |
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| 22:05.50 | nigga | I've got a problem |
| 22:05.52 | nigga | I can't start the XServer |
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| 22:06.27 | concept10 | what a great nick |
| 22:06.40 | SimonRaven | nigga: a) please change your nick b) just ask the question. describe the problem, etc. |
| 22:07.11 | poncha|work | hi guys, anyone played around with video encoding? i am trying (unsuccessfully) to downscale DV video ... if i'm recoding DV into other format (mpeg for example) i can resample the framesize... but not if output format is DV (which i neeD) |
| 22:07.22 | cmihai | Turion is sweet ;) |
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| 22:08.02 | SimonRaven | ZibiKebir: did you configure it? |
| 22:08.21 | simonbp | so, I need some general conceptual help with bind9 |
| 22:08.21 | simonbp | <simonbp> I've got a cable internet subscription and am trying to ste up a home ntwor |
| 22:08.21 | simonbp | <simonbp> The cable is connected to a linksys router |
| 22:08.22 | simonbp | <simonbp> The router uses NAT, so all my machines look like they have the same ip from the wan |
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| 22:08.33 | abrotman | simonbp: read the TOPIC |
| 22:09.00 | cmihai | mhall: yeah, Solaris works nice on AMD 64 cpu's.... |
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| 22:09.07 | ZibiKebir | i dont know how |
| 22:09.07 | simonbp | I'm running the nameserver on debian... |
| 22:09.20 | donkeymonkey | i enter startx |
| 22:09.25 | donkeymonkey | then |
| 22:09.29 | concept10 | I did some bad things yesterday, I need help... |
| 22:09.29 | SimonRaven | ZibiKebir: then go find out how. read the docs |
| 22:09.30 | cmihai | mhall: try Solaris Express or OpenSolaris on that... :) |
| 22:09.40 | ZibiKebir | what docs |
| 22:09.42 | donkeymonkey | fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X Server":0,0" |
| 22:09.47 | SimonRaven | concept10: kiss my brown behind |
| 22:09.51 | ZibiKebir | ive been reading forums for two weeks |
| 22:09.54 | SimonRaven | concept10: hehe |
| 22:09.56 | ZibiKebir | cant find anything that can help me |
| 22:09.56 | donkeymonkey | after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining |
| 22:10.00 | donkeymonkey | do you know whyß |
| 22:10.02 | nse | Hello everybody, Nautilus is crashing when started with the msg "nautilus-audio-view crashed". Nautilus is working fine for other users, it is a configuration problem. I've tried to move .gnome* and .gconf* out of the way without results, it is just crashing all the time. How can I go roud this? |
| 22:10.07 | concept10 | SimonRaven, huh? |
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| 22:10.09 | SimonRaven | ZibiKebir: did you read the package's READMEs and such? |
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| 22:10.13 | abrotman | nse: still ? |
| 22:10.23 | concept10 | SimonRaven, is it really brown? |
| 22:10.27 | ZibiKebir | you mean the driver help pages? |
| 22:10.30 | abrotman | nse: did you try irc.gnome.org .. ? |
| 22:10.33 | SimonRaven | nse: fixed in new sid. see BTS |
| 22:10.44 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 22:10.47 | SimonRaven | concept10: medium |
| 22:10.50 | ZibiKebir | yes i did try them |
| 22:10.51 | abrotman | see .. simon says |
| 22:10.52 | exobyte | when listing modules in /etc/modules.conf, should one that depends on another be listed later? |
| 22:11.08 | SimonRaven | ZibiKebir: did you *read* them? |
| 22:11.22 | ZibiKebir | yh i *read* them |
| 22:11.26 | concept10 | SimonRaven, like Raven Simone medium? |
| 22:11.32 | ZibiKebir | whatever that sipposed to mean |
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| 22:12.02 | SimonRaven | concept10: no, paler |
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| 22:12.09 | concept10 | SimonRaven, heh |
| 22:12.16 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 22:12.41 | abrotman | wander .. not wonder |
| 22:12.49 | mhall | cmihai: Yeah that's what I am going to do. Acer laptops are Sun's official PC laptop so I think I will have better luck. |
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| 22:13.09 | concept10 | abrotman, I know .. |
| 22:13.12 | mhall | cmihai: I would have done Debian if not for the broken ACPI battery driver in the Linux kernel. You just can't use that. |
| 22:13.20 | nse | abrotman: Good idea. |
| 22:13.35 | nse | SimonRaven: what do you mean? that's a known problem? |
| 22:13.37 | cmihai | mhall: worth trying BSD also if Solaris doesn't deliver. |
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| 22:13.46 | mhall | cmihai: I don't think they do ACPI |
| 22:14.03 | SimonRaven | nse: like i said, see the BTS |
| 22:14.09 | streuner_ | dpkg, mhallsmite cmihai |
| 22:14.10 | dpkg | Fuck cmihai. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 22:14.12 | SimonRaven | nse: IOW, yes |
| 22:14.21 | mhall | streuner_: ? |
| 22:14.32 | pureone | lol |
| 22:14.47 | streuner_ | mhall: well, he thinking we are in #opensource and not in #debian |
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| 22:15.34 | streuner_ | dpkg, acpi |
| 22:15.34 | dpkg | well, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
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| 22:15.57 | streuner_ | dpkg, factinfo acpi |
| 22:15.57 | dpkg | acpi -- last modified at Fri Feb 18 05:59:47 2005 by chealer!chealer@chealer.student.supporter.pdpc; it has been requested 62 times, last by streuner_, 22s ago. |
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| 22:16.11 | mhall | streuner_: Man, I gave Debian a fair shot! |
| 22:16.16 | concept10 | SimonRaven, I already did some crazy stuff yesterday, maybe I can further that some more? |
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| 22:16.38 | mhall | concept10: drunken crazy, or ...? |
| 22:16.43 | streuner_ | mhall: that's not enough |
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| 22:16.56 | SimonRaven | nah, not today ;) |
| 22:17.00 | concept10 | heh |
| 22:17.02 | mhall | I might end up going out with a girl that works for Microsoft as a recruiter. Now that's crazy! |
| 22:17.14 | rok49 | how do you fix Packages.gz 404 Not Found, when trying to update sid |
| 22:17.15 | Bilskinir | whats a good torrent client other then bittorrnado and azurerus with a GUI |
| 22:17.18 | mhall | She freaked out when she found out I'm a UN*X guy... |
| 22:17.27 | SimonRaven | eew |
| 22:17.29 | nerdy2 | haha |
| 22:17.30 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 22:17.34 | mhall | Bilskinir: lol what's wrong with those? |
| 22:17.42 | Bilskinir | azureus is giving probs |
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| 22:17.50 | Bilskinir | i cant even find anything to start bittorando |
| 22:17.52 | SimonRaven | an m$hit recruiter? oh my, talk about a fucked job |
| 22:17.53 | concept10 | mhall, put it this way: me, two girls that were friends may not be friends next week. :) |
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| 22:18.09 | mhall | concept10: what happened? you happened? |
| 22:18.09 | ticktoc | two openoffice problems... 1) No Templates, why? 2) Why such an old version? 2.0 is already out and offical from oo.org? |
| 22:18.18 | concept10 | SimonRaven, I will take that job |
| 22:18.18 | abrotman | why does noone help me!!! |
| 22:18.32 | SimonRaven | abrotman: because. stop whining. |
| 22:18.32 | mhall | abrotman: Cause I already helped your mom last week! |
| 22:18.34 | streuner_ | !comfort abrotman |
| 22:18.34 | pureone | bilskinir have you tryed opening a torrent file with it? |
| 22:18.35 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:18.46 | SimonRaven | abrotman: ;) |
| 22:18.46 | Bilskinir | pureone, how do i run bittorrnado |
| 22:18.50 | Bilskinir | i cant find where it lives |
| 22:18.52 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you're not that nice to the clubies!?!?! |
| 22:19.05 | pureone | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.12 | concept10 | mhall, it will be extremely off topic, I might get kicked for talking about the path of destruction I _layed_ down last night. :) |
| 22:19.13 | SimonRaven | which foo |
| 22:19.17 | valdyn | ticktoc: wrong, oo.org released the first beta. |
| 22:19.23 | Bilskinir | pureone, no such fir |
| 22:19.25 | mhall | concept10: /msg |
| 22:19.26 | Bilskinir | dir* |
| 22:19.42 | valdyn | ticktoc: err, a beta ( not the first probably ) |
| 22:19.49 | pureone | ls /usr/bin | grep bit |
| 22:19.51 | ticktoc | sorry... my mistake... still, 1.2 IS out and we get 1.1.3-9? |
| 22:20.04 | maher | ticktoc: life is hard |
| 22:20.12 | Ferrara | ati 3d drivers work better in xfree than in xorg ? |
| 22:20.20 | Bilskinir | pureone, i see heaps of em |
| 22:20.21 | abrotman | ask #ati |
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| 22:20.27 | SimonRaven | life sucks, then you end up in the bottom of a vacuum cleaner bag |
| 22:20.34 | prima | hi |
| 22:20.39 | pureone | then look for the correct one |
| 22:20.41 | ticktoc | you bet!! <g> but still, what about the templates? I click from template and there's nothing in the list.. |
| 22:20.42 | redguy | I got a program without a proper install script. I figured that I can move the executable to ~/bin and add it to $PATH, but when I move the libraries to /usr/local/lib and edit ld.so.conf so it contains /usr/local/lib, ldconfig -v doesn't find the libs. Is there anything more I should have done? Change permissions? |
| 22:21.00 | prima | can u tell me where is web xmms ? |
| 22:21.01 | Bilskinir | pureone, they have foo.bittorrent and stuff like that |
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| 22:21.03 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:21.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:21.05 | maher | ticktoc: where is oo 1.2 btw? did you actually bother going to the openoffice website? |
| 22:21.07 | prima | or how install xmms |
| 22:21.09 | SimonRaven | redguy: ld.so already includes /usr/local/lib |
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| 22:21.18 | streuner_ | prima: apt-get install xmms? |
| 22:21.21 | abrotman | redguy: did you run ldconfig ? |
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| 22:21.35 | ticktoc | maher: no.. i wanted official oo*.deb to install |
| 22:21.39 | pureone | btdownloadgui.bittornado |
| 22:21.46 | pureone | that should be it |
| 22:21.48 | prima | apt-get install xmms |
| 22:21.49 | Bilskinir | yup i see it |
| 22:21.52 | Bilskinir | how do i start it? |
| 22:22.00 | prima | apt-get install xmms <<<warning |
| 22:22.04 | redguy | abrotman: yup, it doesn't seem to see the libs at all |
| 22:22.08 | valdyn | ticktoc: why do you keep telling us about oo.org versions that do not exist? |
| 22:22.08 | streuner_ | prima: as root in a shell |
| 22:22.17 | prima | ok |
| 22:22.42 | redguy | SimonRaven: point taken, but adding /usr/local/lib should't do any harh, right? |
| 22:22.48 | ticktoc | like??? 1.2 exists only in my mind? |
| 22:23.03 | abrotman | redguy: afaik .. that's all you have to do |
| 22:23.13 | epitron | is there a way to make an empty virtual package whose sole reason is to satisfy a dependency? |
| 22:23.17 | Bilskinir | hmm it doesnt have btdownloadgui |
| 22:23.20 | valdyn | ticktoc: right. |
| 22:23.23 | dondelelcaro | epitron: read about equivs. |
| 22:23.23 | abrotman | redguy: what if you try -l ? |
| 22:23.25 | maher | ticktoc: paste a link to openoffice 1.2 |
| 22:23.28 | epitron | dondelelcaro: danke! :) |
| 22:23.48 | prima | streuner_ : where is location for shell ? |
| 22:23.49 | dondelelcaro | epitron: it won't be a virtual package, it will just be a very small one. |
| 22:23.56 | SimonRaven | redguy: no, but it's pointless |
| 22:24.38 | epitron | dondelelcaro: that's fine :) |
| 22:24.44 | ticktoc | http://itinfo.mit.edu/product.php?vid=680&platform=Linux |
| 22:24.49 | streuner_ | prima: you don't know how to open a shell (xterm, rxvt, aterm...)? |
| 22:24.50 | epitron | dirty problems call for dirty solutionjs! |
| 22:24.51 | ticktoc | 1.2.2 |
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| 22:25.32 | redguy | abrotman: well -l has this 'experts only' thing in man. don't want to do this since I don't understand what I would do |
| 22:25.53 | abrotman | redguy: be an expert! :) |
| 22:26.05 | streuner_ | prima: what version of debian do you running actually? |
| 22:26.13 | rok49 | do i need a non-us line if running sid/testing ? |
| 22:26.21 | SimonRaven | no |
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| 22:26.39 | ticktoc | actually, we are getting away from my immediate concern.... the darn missing templates for impress |
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| 22:26.42 | streuner_ | prima- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [i686/401.61MHz] |
| 22:26.43 | redguy | abrotman: I'm not drunk enough... :-) |
| 22:27.05 | hackeron | anyone knows where I can find an APE (the lossless monkey codec) decoder? - I saw one a while back but cant find it. |
| 22:27.16 | terryburtonuk | Any tetex maintainers online? |
| 22:28.01 | PerfDave | hackeron: Last I heard, the Monkeysaudio crap only worked badly under WINE. |
| 22:28.03 | abrotman | terryburtonuk: you should really just ask |
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| 22:28.08 | PerfDave | hackeron: Use FLAC already :) |
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| 22:28.22 | maher | ticktoc: congrats - i can't find 1.2.2 on openoffice.orgs website, but the 1.9 beta is in experimental if you want to grab it |
| 22:28.28 | hackeron | PerfDave: I want a /*decoder/* - not an encoder thank you very much :) |
| 22:28.42 | hackeron | PerfDave: the whole point is to take all this ape shit people are sending me and convert it to flac :) |
| 22:28.45 | redguy | SimonRaven, abrotman : does it matter to ldconfig if the libs are not stripped? (whatever that means?) |
| 22:28.50 | hackeron | PerfDave: and stick it on my karma too |
| 22:28.58 | abrotman | redguy: put some clothes on your limbs!! |
| 22:29.05 | PerfDave | hackeron: Tell them to use FLAC already ;) |
| 22:29.15 | cmihai | streuner_: well, just for your information, Debian isn't just about Linux. So $SMITE you. |
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| 22:29.30 | ticktoc | maher: i looked at the setup for that and it talked about 'SVN' and i'm not sure exactly what they were referencing.. |
| 22:29.41 | SimonRaven | redguy: no |
| 22:30.10 | hackeron | PerfDave: they wont listen |
| 22:30.10 | terryburtonuk | I'm wondering when the new PSTricks package for LaTeX called pst-barcode is likely to make it into Sarge/Etch. pst-barcode was uploaded to CTAN last week. |
| 22:30.19 | PerfDave | ticktoc: SVN == Subversion, a post-CVS version control system. |
| 22:30.20 | abrotman | redguy: what happens if you .. eep .. put them in /usr/lib ? |
| 22:30.28 | PerfDave | hackeron: What sort of music is this anyway? |
| 22:30.36 | redguy | abrotman: maybe ldconfig doesn't like stripping... |
| 22:30.40 | maher | ticktoc: its in debian's experimental archive - you can dl the debs and install them on unstable |
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| 22:30.46 | abrotman | terryburtonuk: if it's not in sarge now .. it won't ever be |
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| 22:30.49 | SimonRaven | redguy: nothing to do with it |
| 22:30.53 | abrotman | terryburtonuk: is it in sid now ? |
| 22:30.57 | hackeron | PerfDave: classical of course |
| 22:31.02 | hackeron | PerfDave: well, and Jazz :) |
| 22:31.05 | PerfDave | hackeron: Who's providing it to you? |
| 22:31.08 | strk | what's the easy command to distribute symlinks under the /etc/rc.* trees ? |
| 22:31.22 | SimonRaven | strk: get rcconf |
| 22:31.23 | PerfDave | strk: update-rc.d |
| 22:31.23 | hackeron | PerfDave: a windows using moron friend of mine :) |
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| 22:31.28 | pablo_ | hi |
| 22:31.33 | PerfDave | hackeron: What's he encoding it from? |
| 22:31.38 | hackeron | PerfDave: CD |
| 22:31.40 | strk | rcconf vs. update-rc.d ? |
| 22:31.42 | abrotman | terryburtonuk: ? |
| 22:31.45 | terryburtonuk | Not yet. I was wondering whether there were any tetex packagers online who I could nudge ;-) |
| 22:31.45 | ticktoc | maher: i have not worked with the experimental archive before... is there a url for that for the sources.list? |
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| 22:31.49 | SimonRaven | strk: should learn a bit how update-rc.d works, can come in handy later |
| 22:31.51 | pablo_ | how can i burn a mdf image? |
| 22:31.57 | abrotman | !maint tetex |
| 22:32.12 | SimonRaven | @maint quik |
| 22:32.22 | abrotman | !stats |
| 22:32.22 | dpkg | Since Sat Jul 30 04:42:35 2005, there have been 10 modifications, 657 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 270 commands. I have been awake for 1d 17h 49m 44s this session, and currently reference 25864 factoids. I'm using about 15028 kB of memory. With 1 active fork. Process time user/system 299.2/14.56 child 285.59/19.59 |
| 22:32.25 | redguy | abrotman: the same thing, perhaps I should be talking to the program developer? |
| 22:32.39 | maher | ticktoc: they are in pool - you are best off dl them manually and installing with dpkg unless you know what you are doing - you don't want to accidently install extra things from experimental |
| 22:32.41 | ticktoc | PerfDave: thanks for the info... |
| 22:32.45 | SimonRaven | crap. 'does not exist'... hmm... |
| 22:32.46 | abrotman | redguy: what if you put them in /usr/lib .. i know it's not normal .. but just to see what happens |
| 22:32.51 | hackeron | PerfDave: actually, thats what he says, but it may very well be 128kbps MP3s re-encoded, lol |
| 22:33.25 | ticktoc | ok... i can do that much... thanks.. |
| 22:33.25 | abrotman | wtf is the name of the tetex package? |
| 22:33.35 | SimonRaven | redguy: no, do this ldd /path/to/binary/inquestion, then see if you see any obvious errors, like msissing sets of numbers, or such |
| 22:33.45 | strk | SimonRaven, if a search update-rc.d I get file-rc and rcconf |
| 22:33.46 | PerfDave | hackeron: So go buy the CDs yourself, rip to FLAC. Problem solved. |
| 22:33.47 | abrotman | !maint tetex-bin |
| 22:33.52 | terryburtonuk | The PSTricks package is in tetex-extra |
| 22:34.08 | SimonRaven | strk: see the description for each of those |
| 22:34.12 | hackeron | PerfDave: I dont like CDs |
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| 22:34.16 | strk | oh.. thank you |
| 22:34.28 | dpkg | tetex-bin: teTeX maintainers <debian-tetex-maint@lists.debian.org> |
| 22:34.32 | hackeron | PerfDave: and I'm not buying a CD to throw it away... |
| 22:34.34 | abrotman | nice |
| 22:34.36 | strk | I do have update-rc.d manual, I'll use that |
| 22:34.46 | SimonRaven | sure |
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| 22:35.06 | abrotman | holy fuck .. dpkg must be dying |
| 22:35.24 | SimonRaven | probably just lagged |
| 22:35.33 | redguy | abrotman: did it, the same thing. ldconfig does't seem to see it at all. I know it would work, since ld.so is looking for libs in /lib and /usr/lib if it doesn't find them in the cache. |
| 22:35.36 | abrotman | that's a horrible lag |
| 22:35.39 | PerfDave | hackeron: You can buy a CD, rip it, stick it in the loft :) |
| 22:35.51 | abrotman | redguy: sounds like the libs are messed up .. i guess .. |
| 22:35.54 | hackeron | PerfDave: my loft is full enough :) |
| 22:35.57 | terryburtonuk | !maint tetex-extra |
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| 22:36.08 | SimonRaven | redguy: please do what i asked. then paste it with paster (/whois paster) |
| 22:36.14 | abrotman | terryburtonuk: sid and etch have the same version of tetex-extra |
| 22:36.26 | PerfDave | hackeron: *shrug* Well, if you're pirating music, you deserve to have to deal with shit like Monkey :p |
| 22:36.37 | pingouin_ | what is mpeg-4 SP with B-frames ? |
| 22:36.39 | dpkg | tetex-extra: teTeX maintainers <debian-tetex-maint@lists.debian.org> |
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| 22:36.46 | hackeron | PerfDave: the performers I'm interested in are long dead anyway and I'm not the record company supporting type of guy ;) |
| 22:37.01 | abrotman | thief |
| 22:37.18 | terryburtonuk | Okay... is there an easy way to get the revision date? |
| 22:37.25 | redguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.25 | redguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.25 | redguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.25 | redguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:37.28 | abrotman | terryburtonuk: revision date of what ? |
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| 22:37.33 | PerfDave | hackeron: By pirating music, you're still increasing its intrinsic value. Get out-of-copyright recordings, or give your money to independent artists. |
| 22:37.34 | hackeron | abrotman: copyright violation is not theft by all definitions ;) |
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| 22:37.42 | SimonRaven | considering they make money off artists' backs... most artists don't see 1% of the money the labels rake in in their name |
| 22:37.44 | abrotman | hackeron: yes it is |
| 22:37.47 | redguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.49 | redguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.51 | redguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.51 | abrotman | redguy: STOP |
| 22:37.53 | redguy | oops |
| 22:37.53 | abrotman | redguy: STOP |
| 22:37.54 | Anthony | Hello |
| 22:37.59 | SimonRaven | NOT EHRE |
| 22:38.00 | abrotman | redguy: /msg dpkg paste |
| 22:38.08 | pingouin_ | !paste |
| 22:38.08 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 22:38.09 | hackeron | abrotman: ofcourse it isnt silly :) |
| 22:38.09 | redguy | SimonRaven: maybe you would look in #flood instad? |
| 22:38.13 | SimonRaven | HERE even |
| 22:38.15 | terryburtonuk | date of last upload of a deb package to the Deb repository |
| 22:38.19 | abrotman | hackeron: sure it is moron |
| 22:38.26 | abrotman | terryburtonuk: yep .. |
| 22:38.28 | pingouin_ | !mpeg-4 SP |
| 22:38.28 | SimonRaven | ^^^^ |
| 22:38.34 | PerfDave | abrotman: Copyright violation isn't theft, actually. That doesn't mean it's right, but it's not theft. |
| 22:38.50 | pingouin_ | fuck them all |
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| 22:38.52 | abrotman | PerfDave: it seems to be in this country |
| 22:38.54 | pingouin_ | they stole ours rights |
| 22:39.00 | pingouin_ | let's stole them |
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| 22:39.16 | PerfDave | abrotman: Nope. Not even in .US is copyright violation the same thing as theft. |
| 22:39.24 | abrotman | terryburtonuk: snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:39.41 | Anthony | I'm in the process of installing Debian at the moment. I have a quick question regarding software raid though.. How should I partition my drives so that I can maximize my available space for my /home directory? I have 2 40 GB HDs and I just want to do a simple linear raid. |
| 22:39.44 | abrotman | terryburtonuk: in the second box .. enter tetex-extra .. hit enter .. it will show dates |
| 22:39.47 | Anthony | Any help would be nice |
| 22:39.53 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: it's missapropriation; the difference between that and theft is splitting hairs. |
| 22:40.00 | abrotman | terryburtonuk: make sense ? |
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| 22:40.09 | pingouin_ | they tried to pull a gag on us in europe with brevets to stop free software |
| 22:40.15 | terryburtonuk | Excellent, thanks. :-) |
| 22:40.16 | pingouin_ | let kill Majors |
| 22:40.22 | pingouin_ | before they control internet |
| 22:40.22 | hackeron | abrotman: totally different laws, different punishments. Copyright volation is the opposite of theft ;) - it prevents theft |
| 22:40.22 | dondelelcaro | pingouin_: uh, that's wildly OT here. |
| 22:40.24 | abrotman | Sargeants! |
| 22:40.28 | pingouin_ | kill hollywood ;) |
| 22:40.39 | abrotman | hackeron: buzz off .. you're wrong. . i don't care .. enjoy your fine from RIAA .. |
| 22:40.42 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Not at all. There's a very real difference, and the record industry like to conflate the two to confuse the public. |
| 22:40.46 | pingouin_ | with they shity movie |
| 22:40.46 | dondelelcaro | pingouin_: please take the threats to a different channel. |
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| 22:41.14 | Anthony | I'm in the process of installing Debian at the moment. I have a quick question regarding software raid though.. How should I partition my drives so that I can maximize my available space for my /home directory? I have 2 40 GB HDs and I just want to do a simple linear raid. |
| 22:41.41 | hackeron | abrotman: right, and that fine will be a completely different fine compared to theft ;) |
| 22:41.44 | PerfDave | Anthony: Why not just have two mirrored drives? If you want to maximise space for /, then use LVM and not RIAD ;) |
| 22:41.52 | stouset | Anthony: Easiest thing to do (although not the best) is just allocate 5-10G for / and the rest for /home |
| 22:41.55 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave, abrotman, hackeron: that's great; regardless, it's wildly OT here. Consider discussing it in #politics or similar. |
| 22:41.59 | Anthony | I just thought of LVM... |
| 22:42.01 | abrotman | hackeron: buzz off .. leave me alone |
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| 22:42.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: just use /ignore already. |
| 22:42.18 | PerfDave | I'm not saying that copyright violation is morally justifiable, but it's not the same thing as theft. I recommend giving your money to non-RIAA-affiliated artists instead of pirating RIAA CDs as a response ;) |
| 22:43.02 | Anthony | I have / set to 10 /swap set to 1 and /home set to 29 on hda. Then hdb is set 40 to /home |
| 22:43.15 | abrotman | hackeron: DO NOT MSG ME |
| 22:43.32 | Anthony | I've been trying to set up software raid but it keeps saying I don't have any partitions labeled correctly for it |
| 22:43.34 | SimonRaven | PerfDave: good point |
| 22:43.47 | abrotman | hackeron: DO NOT MSG ME |
| 22:44.05 | abrotman | hackeron: i've asked you repeatedly to not message me or address me.. Please stop |
| 22:44.08 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: please; you're becoming more anoying than he is. |
| 22:44.15 | SimonRaven | PerfDave: though doing so as a political statement, and being public about it, to attract attention to the issue, is certianly legit, imo |
| 22:44.27 | SimonRaven | certainly* |
| 22:44.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: right, because he's not flooding your client in /msg |
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| 22:45.12 | PerfDave | SimonRaven: I disagree. Boycotting and drawing attention to it is legit. Pirating and drawing attention to it isn't, IMHO. Civil disobedience only makes sense to protest against legislation, not companies. |
| 22:45.13 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: your client has /ignore... if it's bad, ask for an IRCOP for assistance in #freenode. |
| 22:45.14 | stouset | abrotman: clearly, you need to flood him back with cheap American pisswater beer |
| 22:45.19 | Anthony | PerfDave: Reason for not mirroring, I don't really need to mirror this one, I won't be putting any super important files on it and anything that is important I will have backed up on a few different areas. I'm looking more for space for other things I use. |
| 22:45.25 | abrotman | stouset: dont make me phillysmite you |
| 22:45.40 | stouset | Haha |
| 22:45.48 | PerfDave | Anthony: Then why do you want RAID at all, if you're not storing important files? |
| 22:45.52 | SimonRaven | PerfDave: um, companies can get away with literally murder because of legislation. |
| 22:45.55 | concept10 | stouset, busch beer or maybe duff's? |
| 22:46.04 | stouset | concept10: Michelob Ultra Lite. |
| 22:46.08 | SimonRaven | PerfDave: sanctioned corporate genocide |
| 22:46.17 | PerfDave | SimonRaven: I'm aware of that. But pirating RIAA music has nothing to do with that. |
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| 22:46.21 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: speed is one reason. |
| 22:46.23 | Anthony | PerfDave: I was told by another person that setting RAID in such a manner would be the best way to combine my 2 hard drives |
| 22:46.36 | SimonRaven | PerfDave: no, but you do see my point, right? |
| 22:46.36 | PerfDave | Anthony: Combine in what way? I think you want LVM, not RAID. |
| 22:46.51 | concept10 | stouset, I drink that.. only because my friend that a body builder is a CARB GEEK |
| 22:46.52 | SimonRaven | PerfDave: i'm sure we agree on the essentials |
| 22:46.56 | stouset | Anthony: If you're mirroring, then you're not really "combining" them. You're just making them redundant. |
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| 22:47.17 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Not really relevant for a home system, most of the time. |
| 22:47.20 | Anthony | PerfDave: Sounds good then. Would my current partition table sound appropriate for LVM then? For what I am looking into? |
| 22:47.22 | dondelelcaro | Anthony: your friends hopefully mentioned striping (aka RAID0) or similiar. |
| 22:47.26 | stouset | concept10: What does your friend having some sort of unhealthy obsession with avoiding carbohydrates have to do with you drinking crappy beer? =P |
| 22:47.28 | ralf | what a mirror push! |
| 22:47.37 | dondelelcaro | Anthony: but in the most trivial cases, LVM is what you really want. |
| 22:47.40 | Anthony | dondelelcaro: Yes, he said RAID0 |
| 22:47.53 | PerfDave | Anthony: Basically, you treat the two 40Gb drives as one "logical" 80Gb drive, and partition that 80Gb up how you want. The Debian installer supports LVM. |
| 22:48.08 | PerfDave | SimonRaven: Not really, no. There is bad legislation, and there are ways to protest against that. But pirating RIAA music isn't a way to protest against corporate manslaughter :) |
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| 22:48.20 | concept10 | stouset, i just buy for the crowd when we get out, which is not much. |
| 22:48.21 | phaedral | hi all |
| 22:48.31 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven, PerfDave: folks, #politics is that way ---> |
| 22:48.31 | abrotman | hackeron: got no balls eh? |
| 22:48.40 | Anthony | PerfDave: Ok, so by running the lvm it would just make it all 1 80 GB and from there I can partition it out appropriately? |
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| 22:48.49 | SimonRaven | PerfDave: hehe, well, i need to think of a better way, that was off the top of my head |
| 22:48.51 | PerfDave | Anthony: Yes. |
| 22:48.53 | stouset | concept10: Let them buy their own crappy beer ;) Guinness, Boddingtons, and |
| 22:48.57 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: i'm done |
| 22:48.59 | stouset | Sweetwater for me, thank you |
| 22:49.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: please, that's totally not necessary. If you continue, you will be devoiced. |
| 22:49.07 | phaedral | was wondering if anyone can recommend a music program that basically assigns my qwerty keyboard an octive or so of notes? |
| 22:49.13 | Anthony | Alright, cool. That sounds like what I need then. More than RAID |
| 22:49.21 | ulf__ | since i use debian onmy laptop sometimes my cpu fan didnt stop running, how can i switch the fan off with some linux command, by using sensors |
| 22:49.27 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i did ignore him |
| 22:49.47 | SimonRaven | phaedral: i've been looking for such a thing |
| 22:49.57 | PerfDave | ulf__: What makes you think that sensors is what you want to switch off the fan? You probably want some general laptop control daemon. |
| 22:50.01 | phaedral | SimonRaven: well, at least i'm in good company |
| 22:50.14 | SimonRaven | phaedral: i haven't been able to get jackbeat to work, due to jackd issues, maybe check it out |
| 22:50.28 | SimonRaven | phaedral: not sure if it's what we have in mind |
| 22:50.30 | ulf__ | well after using acpi nothing changed |
| 22:50.47 | stouset | ulf__: ACPI is just an interface for monitoring that stuff |
| 22:50.54 | phaedral | thx; i don't really want to spend the time to learn midi...unless someone can point to a super-noob's tutorial ;) |
| 22:51.05 | concept10 | SimonRaven, phaedral there are VST plugins that do that. |
| 22:51.09 | redguy | SimonRaven: Not sure if I understood you correctly, but all the missing libs are provided by the program. If I execute or ldd it from a dir containing a libs/ subdir with the missing libs everything seems to be ok. |
| 22:51.17 | mhall | stouset: s/interface/foobarred interface/g |
| 22:51.30 | stouset | mhall: Bah, it's better than APM |
| 22:51.32 | ulf__ | so what can i do, if i run longer debian, i can buy a new fan |
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| 22:51.40 | dondelelcaro | redguy: have you added that directory to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 22:51.42 | SimonRaven | redguy: looks like it needs to be rebuilt/relinked if it's that fucked |
| 22:51.43 | mhall | stouset: more features but seems to be flakier |
| 22:52.01 | stouset | mhall: The implementations are flaky, but that was true for APM too. |
| 22:52.12 | abrotman | shouldn't adding hte line to ld.so.conf change that var ? |
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| 22:52.28 | mwilson | No. |
| 22:52.29 | stouset | mhall: Quite a few laptops have heavily bugged implementations. Thankfully, I managed to get one that seems to work just fine. |
| 22:52.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no, that just adds another search directory. |
| 22:52.46 | abrotman | you'd think one would do the other .. oh well |
| 22:52.59 | redguy | dondelelcaro: so why doesn't ldconfig find those libs? |
| 22:53.11 | SimonRaven | concept10: and how would i get that to work? |
| 22:53.24 | redguy | dondelelcaro: and no, I didn't try to add it to LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 22:53.25 | mhall | stouset: On mine, the ACPI battery driver would print out a 10-line printk every 2 seconds. |
| 22:53.27 | concept10 | SimonRaven, gimme a sec |
| 22:53.32 | SimonRaven | sure |
| 22:53.45 | dondelelcaro | redguy: who cares about ldconfig? You want ld.so to find them. That's what setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH does. |
| 22:53.47 | mhall | stouset: I had to mute logging with sysrq key and disable battery, but without the battery driver, cpufreq does not work. |
| 22:54.13 | SimonRaven | you can alwayd comment those printks out... |
| 22:54.31 | SimonRaven | always* |
| 22:54.39 | dondelelcaro | redguy: if you're still having issues, use the paster bot to paste the output of ldd /path/to/binary; and ls -l /path/to/libs/dir |
| 22:54.40 | redguy | dondelelcaro: since I want to run the exec from cron, would adding LD_LIBRARY_PATH to my crontab solve the issue? |
| 22:54.54 | SimonRaven | ugh |
| 22:55.01 | dondelelcaro | redguy: just run them as LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/foo/bar/baz" fooexecutable |
| 22:55.03 | ma3x | hey guys, how can i locate the path to the ffmpeg=/path/to/your/compiled/ffmpeg/tree |
| 22:55.10 | SimonRaven | make a wrapper script instead, or that ^^^ |
| 22:55.41 | concept10 | SimonRaven, I cant quickly find the link but www.kvr-vst.com is a great VST information repository. I used to have a VST that let me use the keyboard to play instruments. |
| 22:55.47 | mhall | SimonRaven: Well the thing is, I believe they were documenting a null pointer dereference somwhere deep in the ACPI code. |
| 22:56.04 | concept10 | SimonRaven, or buy a cheap midi controller. Keyboards suck for music. |
| 22:56.13 | mhall | SimonRaven: So I do not believe the driver was even functional so far as I could ascertain. |
| 22:56.22 | SimonRaven | mhall: i see. but for your own use i don't think it'll matter, unless you want to help them out ;) |
| 22:56.27 | SimonRaven | aah |
| 22:56.43 | mhall | SimonRaven: I would be willing to help if I had more expertise in the area. |
| 22:56.48 | SimonRaven | concept10: no $$. yeh i know, but for now that'll do me fine |
| 22:56.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: wouldn't he want to append that var? |
| 22:57.00 | SimonRaven | concept10: thanks. phaedral ^^^^ |
| 22:57.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: eh? |
| 22:57.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: doesn't replacing that var .. omit the libs for the app ? |
| 22:57.20 | mhall | SimonRaven: All I could do would be, paste kernel config, uname output, and printk message, and I very much doubt this would get any more out of lkml than go to hell, lazy user. |
| 22:57.39 | redguy | SimonRaven, dondelelcaro: though this would work, isn't it a workaround? I just wanted to copy the libs to /usr/local/lib and run the executable normally |
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| 22:57.53 | dondelelcaro | redguy: what is this app that we're talking about anyway? |
| 22:58.04 | mhall | SimonRaven: unfortunately my development expertise has to do with threads, C, C++, the POSIX API, and some XML |
| 22:58.15 | SimonRaven | *nods* |
| 22:58.18 | mhall | SimonRaven: I want to be able to do better in the area of drivers, etc. |
| 22:58.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no? |
| 22:58.37 | redguy | dondelelcaro: hydranode, a p2p client... |
| 22:58.38 | mhall | SimonRaven: But for now I can't. A person must admit to his/her limits. |
| 22:58.43 | concept10 | SimonRaven, you just inspired me to crank up my keyboard today. |
| 22:58.55 | SimonRaven | mhall: for sure :) |
| 22:59.01 | SimonRaven | concept10: aaw, cool :) |
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| 22:59.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: that var isn't normally set; so you'd have to give the path of all libraries involved. |
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| 22:59.20 | _Gus_ | hola |
| 22:59.22 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i guess the last time i really dealt with that var was Solaris . where you kind of need it :) |
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| 22:59.36 | _Gus_ | alguien esta aqui |
| 22:59.44 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 22:59.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:59.48 | _Gus_ | helpme |
| 23:00.15 | asuffield | abrotman: glibc systems use, in order, $LD_LIBRARY_PATH, /etc/ld.so.cache, and a hardcoded list of paths which includes /usr/lib and /lib |
| 23:00.17 | concept10 | SimonRaven, http://www.djcj.org/LAU/quicktoots/toots/vst-plugins/ |
| 23:00.25 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 23:00.32 | abrotman | asuffield: yeah .. solaris doesn't do that :) |
| 23:00.38 | _Gus_ | veri nice |
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| 23:00.51 | asuffield | there's actually more stuff that I left out but it's not very interesting |
| 23:00.53 | ma3x | !no screens found |
| 23:00.53 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
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| 23:01.01 | damog | abrotman is wrong! |
| 23:01.02 | damog | :) |
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| 23:01.11 | _Gus_ | some spanish |
| 23:01.14 | ma3x | Hello my error begins with (EE) no screens found |
| 23:01.16 | asuffield | (note that /etc/ld.so.conf is not in that list) |
| 23:01.20 | ma3x | how can i solve this? |
| 23:01.32 | jdrake | If I install the stable debian i386, can I easily later convert it over to an amd64 install? |
| 23:01.34 | damog | _Gus_: #debian-es |
| 23:01.40 | abrotman | asuffield: you're such a slacker |
| 23:01.41 | ma3x | it says (EE): no devices detected |
| 23:01.50 | ma3x | guys can you help me please? |
| 23:01.50 | jdrake | I am having issues getting a boot cd for etch that boots properly |
| 23:01.51 | _Gus_ | helme |
| 23:01.56 | _Gus_ | helpme |
| 23:02.22 | damog | _Gus_: what kind of help do you need? |
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| 23:02.32 | ma3x | damog ask me too |
| 23:02.36 | damog | _Gus_: ¿qué ayuda necesitas? :) |
| 23:02.41 | stouset | jdrake: Get a Sarge CD and upgrade to etch |
| 23:02.43 | _Gus_ | a bueno |
| 23:02.49 | damog | ma3x: what kind of help do you need? |
| 23:02.51 | _Gus_ | hablas español |
| 23:02.51 | damog | :) |
| 23:03.00 | ma3x | damog: with startx, it says (EE): no devices detected |
| 23:03.01 | _Gus_ | damog |
| 23:03.08 | ma3x | and then no screens found |
| 23:03.08 | _Gus_ | hablas español |
| 23:03.08 | damog | _Gus_: No, tengo un robot automático que traduce mis frases al español. |
| 23:03.10 | nkuttler | _Gus_: no, va a #debian-es |
| 23:03.18 | _Gus_ | ok |
| 23:03.34 | _Gus_ | tengo problemas con la distribucion de linux |
| 23:03.42 | damog | ma3x: Then there is no device found. In the device section, on your XF86Config. |
| 23:03.48 | damog | _Gus_: ¿A poco? |
| 23:03.55 | _Gus_ | si de veras |
| 23:03.58 | shingouz | !es |
| 23:03.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:04.03 | damog | shingouz: |
| 23:04.06 | damog | shingouz: Thank you. |
| 23:04.08 | _Gus_ | no he podido ingresar al latin chat |
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| 23:04.19 | _Gus_ | tu sabes que puedo hacer |
| 23:04.24 | damog | _Gus_: Lee lo que dijo dpkg. |
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| 23:04.51 | _Gus_ | no te entiendo |
| 23:04.57 | damog | Chale. |
| 23:04.58 | _Gus_ | ayudamme |
| 23:05.05 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:05.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:05.10 | SimonRaven | please, #debian-es |
| 23:05.18 | damog | _Gus_: Teclea esto, en el X-Chat: /join #debian-es |
| 23:05.34 | ma3x | damog: the device is already there |
| 23:05.34 | SimonRaven | gracias |
| 23:05.45 | ma3x | i haven't changed XFree config |
| 23:05.55 | ma3x | I don't know why it says that now, it won't start suddenly |
| 23:06.04 | _Gus_ | ok gracias |
| 23:06.07 | shingouz | ..check the log... |
| 23:06.19 | ma3x | shingouz was that for me? |
| 23:06.21 | _Gus_ | pero con ese comando ya puedo ingresar al latinchat |
| 23:06.24 | shingouz | ma3x: yup |
| 23:06.26 | ma3x | !no screens found |
| 23:06.26 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 23:06.41 | shingouz | ma3x: and you *can* msg dpkg |
| 23:06.43 | concept10 | I wish I had some Firefox extension that automatically adds a RSS feed to thunderbird |
| 23:06.49 | _Gus_ | damog estas ahi |
| 23:07.06 | abrotman | _Gus_: english here .. no spanish |
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| 23:07.18 | ma3x | (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:05:0 |
| 23:07.18 | ma3x | (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device |
| 23:07.18 | ma3x | (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 23:07.53 | shingouz | ma3x: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:07.54 | aFlag | what does "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." means? |
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| 23:08.05 | damog | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
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| 23:08.11 | stouset | aFlag: do apt-get moo |
| 23:08.12 | abrotman | aFlag: apt-get moo |
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| 23:08.52 | abrotman | that worked well |
| 23:08.59 | _Gus_ | I dont speaker english |
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| 23:09.14 | stouset | _Gus_: Which is why you should /join #debian-es |
| 23:09.17 | shingouz | _Gus_: /join #debian-es |
| 23:09.21 | aFlag | even after i mooed it still doesn't have super cow powers |
| 23:09.34 | stouset | aFlag: It likely never will. |
| 23:09.38 | ryan_ | is there any way to figure out which of the official CDs a given package is on? |
| 23:09.38 | aFlag | :( |
| 23:09.41 | shingouz | aFlag: it is a joke |
| 23:09.45 | redguy | aFlag: maybe that is the super co power? |
| 23:09.57 | damog | aptitude moo |
| 23:10.00 | ma3x | shingouz i reconfigured it, and it still doesn't work |
| 23:10.16 | stouset | !paster |
| 23:10.16 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 23:10.36 | ma3x | stouset are you telling me about paster? |
| 23:10.36 | stouset | ma3x: Paste your xorg.conf/XF86Config file there, as well as your log. |
| 23:10.41 | ma3x | ok |
| 23:11.07 | ma3x | hm, do i have to open lynx ? |
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| 23:12.02 | stouset | ma3x: Or upload it somewhere. |
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| 23:15.25 | Rangitoto | I installed debian and, with regard to networking, the only things I wasn't sure about were the host name and the domain name. My Windows 98 computer won't recognise it. |
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| 23:15.51 | stouset | Rangitoto: Those have nothing to do with windows file sharing |
| 23:15.55 | stouset | Rangitoto: apt-get install samba |
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| 23:15.57 | phaedral | SimonRaven: best i've found is some java piano applets |
| 23:16.16 | phaedral | currently playing with the one at http://heima.olivant.fo/~finnur/piano/piano.html |
| 23:16.20 | paster | Someone at 194.158.241.198 pasted "XFree" (124 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/425 |
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| 23:16.31 | ma3x | http://channels.debian.net/paste/425 |
| 23:16.38 | ma3x | that's my xfree |
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| 23:16.46 | ma3x | phew,it took me 10 mins to paste it |
| 23:16.53 | stouset | ma3x: Need logs, too =\ |
| 23:16.55 | drac | ma3x: Remove VideoRAM line. |
| 23:16.55 | Zizou | if the md5 of an iso is not the same of the one it should be...it wont work? |
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| 23:17.05 | drac | ma3x: It's wrong, and it gets autodetected. |
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| 23:17.37 | stouset | Zizou: If the md5 is different, then the file you downloaded is corrupted somehow. |
| 23:17.59 | ma3x | drac: that didn't play any role on successful startup |
| 23:18.10 | ma3x | can't i upload the log somewhere? |
| 23:18.21 | stouset | ma3x: Found the problem. |
| 23:18.32 | stouset | You have two "Screen" sections, when one should be a "Monitor" section. |
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| 23:18.54 | Zizou | stouset, is the second debian cd...do you think tha works? my conexion is very slow and it took me a lot time to get it... |
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| 23:19.09 | stouset | In fact, the first one is sort of a weird amalgamation between a Screen and Monitor section. |
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| 23:19.22 | stouset | Zizou: There is no way to know whether or not it will work. |
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| 23:19.40 | ma3x | stouset : the one is at Screen "Default Screen" |
| 23:19.47 | stouset | Zizou: The ISO filesystem itself could have been corrupted, or just one of the files on the CD, or the bootable section, or anything. |
| 23:19.57 | _Gus_ | ayuda |
| 23:20.00 | ma3x | i mean the one is at the section server layout |
| 23:20.02 | _Gus_ | helpme |
| 23:20.02 | stouset | ma3x: Join #paste |
| 23:20.03 | ma3x | should i remove it from there? |
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| 23:20.20 | Rakeleer | Ever since upgrading to Sarge I have a couple of servers where cron has lost its mind. Unfortunately, ps, /proc/<pid>/cmdline and pgrep aren't any help figuring out WHAT those 200 cron threads are doing. Anyone have an idea? |
| 23:20.57 | _Gus_ | helpme |
| 23:21.23 | tonix | hi guys, i'm using dvd+rw-tools to growisofs an image larger than 2gb. I upgraded mkisofs to 2.01 version to solve this limit. Now the problem is that the final size of the file burned on dvd is 11 mb only instead of 2gb....where is the problem? thankx |
| 23:21.34 | _Gus_ | alguien que hable español |
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| 23:21.54 | Eonn | morning all (or evening) |
| 23:22.05 | Rakeleer | Eveing. :) |
| 23:22.06 | liable | _Gus_: how many times do you have to be told? /j #debian-es |
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| 23:22.14 | stouset | _Gus_: /join #debian-es |
| 23:22.23 | _Gus_ | soun people speaker spanish |
| 23:22.41 | shingouz | !tell _Gus_ about es |
| 23:22.48 | PerfDave | Does someone want to try /inviting _Gus_ to #debian-es? |
| 23:23.15 | prima | how linux open web am in yahoo messenger ? |
| 23:23.24 | mls | I just checked manually, and the Packages.gz is extant on my favorite debian.org mirror, but apt-get and aptitude are returning with a 404 error, and, as a result, apt is ignorant of all packages. Any ideas? |
| 23:23.28 | prima | how linux open web cam in yahoo messenger ? |
| 23:23.29 | n0dez | _Gus_: entra en el canal #debian-es |
| 23:23.40 | maher | tonix: iso9660 doesn't support files > 2G |
| 23:23.41 | _Gus_ | donde es eso |
| 23:23.43 | ma3x | can i upload the log somewhere or the entire xfree config? |
| 23:23.53 | maher | tonix: split the file into smaller files |
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| 23:23.57 | n0dez | _Gus_: teclea /join #debian-es |
| 23:24.03 | petemc | mls: have you ran apt-get update recently? |
| 23:24.08 | _Gus_ | en donde |
| 23:24.21 | n0dez | _Gus_: donde escribes |
| 23:24.26 | mls | petemc: yes, every day. it's been like this for a week or so. |
| 23:24.27 | shingouz | n0dez: tell him about /part #debian too ;) |
| 23:24.45 | _Gus_ | aqui en el renglon donde escribo |
| 23:24.52 | _Gus_ | nodez |
| 23:24.56 | n0dez | shingouz: he doesn't even know where to type /join #debian-es |
| 23:25.08 | n0dez | _Gus_: si |
| 23:25.08 | _Gus_ | ya lo hice y no ocurre nada |
| 23:25.08 | liable | ah. |
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| 23:25.17 | ma3x | can you please help me with the XFree? |
| 23:25.25 | ma3x | it's not working anymore, im sure i have the right config file |
| 23:25.32 | tonix | thanks maher |
| 23:25.38 | ma3x | but for some reason it won't fire up, IE no device |
| 23:25.39 | n0dez | _Gus_: seguro? |
| 23:25.41 | maher | tonix: if all your files are small you have some other problem... |
| 23:25.48 | _Gus_ | no pasa nada |
| 23:25.51 | liable | ma3x: did you install the ari drivers, and then this started happening? |
| 23:25.55 | Eonn | Gus: si usted habla español usted puede ir # debian-debian-es |
| 23:25.55 | drac | ma3x: Tried removing VideoRAM -line ? |
| 23:25.56 | n0dez | _Gus_: que cliente usas? |
| 23:25.59 | ma3x | liable yes! |
| 23:26.01 | _Gus_ | o tengo que ir al x chat |
| 23:26.04 | ma3x | drac: YES |
| 23:26.24 | liable | ma3x: well, maybe try removing them. :) |
| 23:26.30 | drac | btw, IGP 340 is not supported by ATi propietary drivers |
| 23:26.33 | _Gus_ | lo que ocurre es que hace poco trabajo linux |
| 23:26.49 | Eonn | Gus: No hablo inglés que soy justo con un traducto |
| 23:27.05 | _Gus_ | y tengo un cafe internet con una distribucion debian |
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| 23:27.09 | n0dez | _Gus_: da igual el cliente. entra en #debian-es |
| 23:27.12 | n0dez | !! |
| 23:27.12 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 23:27.43 | _Gus_ | que es el cliente? |
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| 23:27.46 | ma3x | liable : i can't |
| 23:27.54 | vali | _Gus_: en vez de escribir lo que estas escribiendo, escribe /join #debian-es |
| 23:27.56 | _Gus_ | es el mismo usuario en windows? |
| 23:27.57 | n0dez | oh man this mission impossibloe |
| 23:28.04 | ma3x | i installed them from autorun file, and i don't know how to uninstall them now |
| 23:28.11 | vali | _Gus_: por si no lo sabes en el irc todo lo que se escribe empezando con / es un comando |
| 23:28.16 | Wojciech | Hi. Can anyone tell me if it's possible to install Debian on an external hard drive? |
| 23:28.20 | paster | "mls" at 65.172.152.13 pasted "aptitude error messages" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/426 |
| 23:28.24 | _Gus_ | ok |
| 23:28.28 | vali | y da lo mismo si es windows, linux, o la madre del cordero XD |
| 23:28.29 | shingouz | just +b him.... <sigh> |
| 23:28.31 | n0dez | _Gus_: que pone arriba? xchat? |
| 23:28.31 | _Gus_ | eso lo entiendo |
| 23:28.36 | shingouz | Wojciech: yes it is. somehow |
| 23:28.54 | Wojciech | shingouz: Great, I think. Is the "somehow" exceedingly difficult? |
| 23:28.56 | Wojciech | :P |
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| 23:29.22 | shingouz | Wojciech: depends on the hd you have. depends a little bit on the computer too of course. it is certainly doable |
| 23:29.39 | _Gus_ | lista de servidores,nueva,cargar guion o extencionsepara pestaña,cerrar pestaña y salir |
| 23:29.42 | Wojciech | Shingouz: ahh, perfect. I have pretty new equipment, so as long as it's possible, I will try it. |
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| 23:29.47 | Wojciech | Thank you! |
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| 23:29.53 | _Gus_ | o voy a irc |
| 23:29.57 | drac | !ops _Gus_ doesn't understand a hint. |
| 23:29.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: _Gus_ doesn't understand a hint. |
| 23:30.06 | ma3x | liable did you say something |
| 23:30.07 | shingouz | Wojciech: it is easier if you just install it on an internal drvie of course |
| 23:30.18 | n0dez | lol |
| 23:30.21 | liable | ma3x: no, maybe try #ati if there is one. |
| 23:30.27 | _Gus_ | nodez estas ahi |
| 23:30.30 | Wojciech | On that note, then: can I partition a hard drive without having to format it? Say, after I defragment it or something? |
| 23:30.34 | n0dez | he's/she's pretty clueless |
| 23:30.47 | OvrLrd-Q | anybody else getting a GPG error when running apt-get update? It says 'run apt-get update to correct these problems' which doesn't really help |
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| 23:30.52 | shingouz | Wojciech: not really. partitioning means that you must format it |
| 23:31.02 | drac | ma3x: Reinstall *mesa* packages, plus xserver-xfree86, xserver-common packages. I doubt if that (experimental) installer has uninstall option. |
| 23:31.04 | _Gus_ | helpme |
| 23:31.11 | shingouz | Wojciech: hmm.. unless you resize the partitions somehow of course |
| 23:31.19 | n0dez | _Gus_: que pone en el titulo de la ventana??? |
| 23:31.36 | mls | OvrLrd-Q: I'm developing the impression that apt is broken atm. |
| 23:31.44 | Eonn | poor gus |
| 23:31.48 | Wojciech | shingouz: do you mean, something like manually setting where they start/end? |
| 23:31.59 | OvrLrd-Q | mls: yea it seems like it only prints that error like every other time too :/ |
| 23:32.03 | shingouz | completely clueless our mr _Gus_ here |
| 23:32.18 | n0dez | Eonn: he or she doesn't even know what a client is |
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| 23:32.29 | n0dez | that's right |
| 23:32.41 | mls | OvrLrd-Q: I was seeing GPG errors for a while, now I get only 404s, even though the Packages.gz is on the server. |
| 23:32.50 | shingouz | Wojciech: no. there should be some tools to resize the partitions. it is better to install on a freshly partitioned drive without other systems underneath but that is just my opinion |
| 23:32.52 | Eonn | lol |
| 23:32.56 | OvrLrd-Q | mls: yea I get those too :( |
| 23:33.13 | n0dez | lol |
| 23:33.18 | Eonn | NoDez: yeah i was using babblefish to try and see what he was saying |
| 23:33.24 | OvrLrd-Q | actually nm, i get packages.gz but all the .deb's are 404's |
| 23:33.24 | mls | OvrLrd-Q: I guess we chalk it up to living with an unstable jerk like Sid. :) |
| 23:33.25 | Eonn | looked a little confused |
| 23:33.33 | PerfDave | OvrLrd-Q: You've got apt 0.6 installed, which has digital signature support enabled by default. |
| 23:33.53 | Wojciech | shingouz: Don't get me wrong - I fully agree. I'm just trying to see if there are other options. I have quite a large amount of programs and files on my computer, and backing it all up would be a pain. |
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| 23:34.07 | ma3x | how to reinstall the whole X11 ? |
| 23:34.20 | OvrLrd-Q | PerfDave: so I should just ignore the error that says the debian automatic master key is bad ;) |
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| 23:34.25 | shingouz | Wojciech: if you are going to resize the partioons you really should back them up in anycase |
| 23:34.29 | mhall | dondelelcaro: don't you mean 'usted debe saber mejor' for the kick reason? |
| 23:34.32 | PerfDave | OvrLrd-Q: No, you should respond to the error. |
| 23:34.43 | Wojciech | shingouz: haha Good point. :) |
| 23:34.50 | drac | ma3x: find out package names (dpkg --get-selections, dpkg -l) and do apt-get --reinstall install on them (look for mesa, and xserver) |
| 23:34.59 | Wojciech | I guess I'll try the external hard drive first, and if that fails, I will do the partitioning. |
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| 23:35.09 | shingouz | Wojciech: you should back the data up even without the repartitioning for that matter |
| 23:35.17 | PerfDave | ma3x: There was an article on reinstallation on http://www.debian-administration.org/ recently |
| 23:35.36 | ma3x | unfortunately unable to open browser |
| 23:35.42 | liable | is the ati driver a kernel module though? |
| 23:35.44 | PerfDave | ma3x: Why? |
| 23:35.58 | Wojciech | shingouz: I usually do, it's just a matter of "Doing it this weekend and still having time left over." I guess I'm lazy. :) |
| 23:36.19 | shingouz | Wojciech: there are bound to be other people on the channel who know a lot more about resizing partitions. i tend to do installs on nuked drives |
| 23:36.46 | ma3x | PerfDave because i can't launch XFree |
| 23:36.52 | astronut | how can i uninstall grub and restore the windows bootloader? |
| 23:36.52 | Wojciech | shingouz: I will take your advice and avoid that for now, and will try the external HD route first. If that fails, I'll come back. Thanks so, so much for your help! I really appreciate it. |
| 23:36.59 | ma3x | and i don't want to browse in lynx, i got headache |
| 23:37.07 | shingouz | Wojciech: check the install manual |
| 23:37.20 | ma3x | why when i type dpkg -l it doesn't list the complete names |
| 23:37.31 | Wojciech | I will. Thanks agaiN! |
| 23:37.35 | shingouz | :) |
| 23:37.35 | PerfDave | ma3x: So browse in w3m, or links, or one of the other available text mode browsers ;) |
| 23:37.51 | astronut | ma3x: precede it with COLUMNS=200 dpkg.... |
| 23:37.55 | PerfDave | ma3x: So your problem is not that you can't launch a browser, it's that you choose not to :p |
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| 23:38.30 | exobyte | at what stage in booting would a device like ppp get created? |
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| 23:38.50 | liable | ma3x: what video driver shows in lsmod? |
| 23:38.52 | astronut | exobyte: init.d, when ifup is called |
| 23:38.57 | mhall | astronut: that's actually one of my favorite incantations |
| 23:39.03 | astronut | mhall: hmm? |
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| 23:39.06 | astronut | COLUMNS or? |
| 23:39.08 | mhall | astronut: like for the guy who recursive chmoded his box |
| 23:39.24 | OvrLrd-Q | PerfDave: so how, and to who, do I respond to the error :) |
| 23:39.25 | astronut | mhall: i've done recursive chown before.... |
| 23:39.39 | astronut | mhall: but what's the ncantation you're refering to? |
| 23:39.40 | ma3x | liable: none |
| 23:39.48 | mhall | astronut: COLUMNS=1000 dpkg -l | awk '{ print $1; }' | xargs apt-get install --reinstall |
| 23:39.48 | ma3x | liable: i just loaded radeon, but it didnt help |
| 23:39.56 | PerfDave | OvrLrd-Q: Read the fucking documentation :) |
| 23:39.56 | astronut | mhall: ah |
| 23:40.08 | astronut | i have a friend who wrote a script to do it in chunks |
| 23:40.17 | liable | ma3x: where did you get this driver? |
| 23:40.24 | exobyte | astronut: ah- as in ifup ppp0, or when something like pppd needs it? |
| 23:40.33 | shingouz | mhall: and that is what? reinstalls everything? |
| 23:40.42 | astronut | exobyte: the network init.d script |
| 23:40.43 | mhall | shingouz: pretty much |
| 23:40.43 | astronut | err, networking |
| 23:40.50 | shingouz | mhall: eeek :) |
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| 23:40.59 | mhall | shingouz: well after you recursive chmod... |
| 23:41.14 | PerfDave | OvrLrd-Q: Read the GnuPG documentation concerning chains of trust, and /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 23:41.14 | mhall | shingouz: there could be serious security problems if you don't fix it properly |
| 23:41.15 | exobyte | astronut: ohh |
| 23:41.18 | exobyte | astronut: ok |
| 23:41.22 | ma3x | liable, from dpkg's referrences |
| 23:41.32 | shingouz | mhall: yes, i think i have a pretty good idea on what happens then.. bad things. at least interesting things |
| 23:41.47 | exobyte | astronut: thx |
| 23:41.49 | nse | is gnome the name of the package for the gnome desktop envirionament? |
| 23:42.06 | OvrLrd-Q | PerfDave: i think the problem is more then the keys since 1/2 the time I'm getting 404's when it's trying to dl the debs on an apt-get upgrade |
| 23:42.08 | ma3x | oh, this really pisses me off |
| 23:42.12 | astronut | nse: gnome-meta-package |
| 23:42.19 | ma3x | im gonna format the whole drive if i don't solve this soon |
| 23:42.33 | PerfDave | OvrLrd-Q: That's a different matter, not related to signatures. |
| 23:42.41 | PerfDave | nse: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 23:43.05 | astronut | how can i uninstall grub and restore the windows bootloader? |
| 23:43.26 | RedDrake | I get an error saying: Temporary failure in name resolution. This happens at rcS.d when ntpdate is started, and it stalls the system for about 90seconds. |
| 23:43.31 | RedDrake | How to fix it? |
| 23:43.38 | liable | astronut: with the windows cd, fixmbr |
| 23:43.42 | RedDrake | running sarge and kernel 2.6.12.3 |
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| 23:43.50 | mhall | RedDrake: ok, this means your network is not set up right |
| 23:43.57 | astronut | liable: the bootloader is still there, because grub launches it |
| 23:43.58 | mhall | RedDrake: so it cannot connect and sync your system clock |
| 23:44.04 | astronut | there's a lilo option to uninstall and restore |
| 23:44.12 | mhall | RedDrake: so you most probably need to either fix the network or uninstall the package |
| 23:44.15 | RedDrake | yes, but it must work in both cases, if there is net or if it isnt |
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| 23:44.20 | OvrLrd-Q | PerfDave: well that didn't help at all |
| 23:44.25 | OvrLrd-Q | imported the key, still says it's invalid |
| 23:44.27 | astronut | if i uninstall grub, will it restore the previous bootloader? |
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| 23:44.30 | RedDrake | I would just like to remove the stall |
| 23:44.31 | mhall | RedDrake: er, then you might need to modify the init script |
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| 23:44.48 | mhall | RedDrake: /etc/init.d/ntpdate and make it start the daemon in the background |
| 23:44.48 | RedDrake | well, here lies the problem |
| 23:44.56 | mhall | RedDrake: on my box the timeout is only a couple seconds |
| 23:45.11 | RedDrake | ntpdate is not the problem |
| 23:45.16 | RedDrake | I think |
| 23:45.36 | RedDrake | because ntpdate has timeout set to 2 seconds |
| 23:45.46 | mhall | RedDrake: ah, then maybe it's your mail server |
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| 23:45.56 | RedDrake | nope, I removed it already |
| 23:45.56 | ma3x_ | my experience. |
| 23:45.56 | RedDrake | :) |
| 23:46.07 | fas3r | hi all |
| 23:46.12 | mhall | RedDrake: you aren't supposed to have no mail server on a deb box btw |
| 23:46.12 | RedDrake | hello |
| 23:46.35 | RedDrake | mhall: I know, but it's so custom I really don't need it |
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| 23:46.44 | aFlag | i have a usb disk thing that stores stuff, like an hard disk or something and i wonder how i'm supposed to access it |
| 23:46.52 | mhall | RedDrake: ok sure, just making sure i notified you |
| 23:47.02 | mhall | RedDrake: some unclueful types remove it without thinking |
| 23:47.03 | dondelelcaro | astronut: no, it won't. Use the mbr program to do so. |
| 23:47.16 | aFlag | how do i access usb stuff? |
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| 23:47.29 | astronut | dondelelcaro: hmm? the bootloader is still intact...i think it's the "chainloader +1" thing in grub |
| 23:47.47 | dondelelcaro | astronut: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 23:47.54 | aFlag | anyone? :( |
| 23:48.03 | astronut | dondelelcaro: uninstall deb, without killing my bootloader |
| 23:48.04 | RedDrake | so, umm any idea, how I could detect if there is an valid ethernet connection, and then decide whether to start ntpdate or not? |
| 23:48.06 | deadcat | aFlag: mount it |
| 23:48.21 | dondelelcaro | astronut: where did you install grub to? If you installed it to the MBR, you'll have to use mbr to replace it. |
| 23:48.23 | aFlag | how? |
| 23:48.28 | deadcat | aFlag: man mount |
| 23:48.29 | aFlag | i'm completely lost hehe |
| 23:48.38 | deadcat | aFlag: debian is not for you then |
| 23:48.39 | aFlag | but where's the device? |
| 23:48.42 | dondelelcaro | astronut: if you didn't, just remove the bootloader. |
| 23:48.44 | aFlag | i can't find anything on /dev |
| 23:48.55 | astronut | dondelelcaro: default of install, assuming mbr...let me read man mbr |
| 23:49.00 | deadcat | aFlag: ls -l /dev/ |
| 23:49.01 | mfrisch | aFlag it is scsi /dev/sd* |
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| 23:49.27 | mhall | RedDrake: but I thought you said it was not ntpdate's fault |
| 23:49.54 | RedDrake | yes, ntpdate tries to resolve pool.ntpservers.org (or something like that) |
| 23:50.03 | RedDrake | which causes an error with name resolving |
| 23:50.09 | mhall | RedDrake: right, and on my box when this fails the timeout is still 2 sec |
| 23:50.17 | RedDrake | :\ |
| 23:50.17 | mhall | RedDrake: that is why i am confused by your problem |
| 23:50.19 | astronut | dondelelcaro: phhh...mbr has no manpage |
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| 23:50.42 | RedDrake | maybe I am missing something in my custom distro |
| 23:50.51 | mhall | RedDrake: i doubt that |
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| 23:50.56 | RedDrake | because there are also stalls at: starting syslogd and statd |
| 23:51.00 | mhall | RedDrake: er, hmm |
| 23:51.05 | RedDrake | statd = NFS |
| 23:51.07 | mhall | RedDrake: do you have dns server |
| 23:51.07 | astronut | hmm... |
| 23:51.08 | nkuttler | astronut: isn't that a dos program? |
| 23:51.13 | mhall | RedDrake: is your hosts file valid |
| 23:51.16 | astronut | dondelelcaro: mbr contains install-mbr |
| 23:51.21 | StijnT | this is really sad: the sarge kernel's e1000 driver doesn't recognize the most recent Intel PRO/1000 cards |
| 23:51.22 | nkuttler | astronut: mbr /help or so |
| 23:51.24 | RedDrake | brb |
| 23:51.43 | astronut | nkuttler: no no...grr..trying to move the windows bootloader back into mbr from wherever grub put it |
| 23:51.44 | mhall | StijnT: that's why there is Sid DI |
| 23:51.53 | RedDrake | hummm |
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| 23:51.55 | RedDrake | that could be it |
| 23:51.59 | StijnT | mhall: that, my dear,i is crashing like hell |
| 23:52.07 | henryb | i have php4-cli, and php4-pgsql. when i run phpinfo(), it says it is compiled --without-postgresql, and using a function such as pg_connect('...'); fails with 'undefined function'. what other packages do i need? |
| 23:52.08 | nkuttler | astronut: grub is your friend! keep it. |
| 23:52.09 | RedDrake | etc/hosts only has 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 23:52.11 | henryb | or configuration |
| 23:52.15 | RedDrake | but the hostname is not localhost |
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| 23:52.22 | mhall | StijnT: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/ |
| 23:52.27 | astronut | nkuttler: dumping linux for reinstall, don't want next install to loose windows |
| 23:52.28 | mhall | StijnT: what about etch DI |
| 23:52.28 | StijnT | mhall: I know dude |
| 23:52.35 | StijnT | mhall: same kernel as sarge |
| 23:52.39 | mhall | StijnT: damn |
| 23:52.43 | RedDrake | I totally didn't see that problem o.O |
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| 23:52.50 | StijnT | mhall: the only sid-installer that does not crash = 20050721 |
| 23:52.59 | nkuttler | astronut: just safe the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:53.00 | StijnT | the newer crash during 'detect hardware' |
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| 23:53.18 | mhall | StijnT: hmm, tried expert mode? |
| 23:53.20 | StijnT | mhall: and the 20050721 version installs kernel-image-2.6.8 so I am again screwed after install |
| 23:53.23 | astronut | nkuttler: hmm? safe what? |
| 23:53.34 | nkuttler | astronut: erm, save is the verb, right? |
| 23:53.39 | d | I apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird, I try the icon, ntohing happens, anyone know? |
| 23:53.42 | astronut | nkuttler: in context |
| 23:53.51 | mhall | d: try it from terminal |
| 23:53.56 | astronut | oh, got it...yes |
| 23:53.56 | StijnT | mhall: nope, but I guess that'll give the same |
| 23:53.56 | mhall | d: then you can see the errors |
| 23:53.59 | nkuttler | astronut: just use the working menu.lst in your next install |
| 23:54.04 | maher | StijnT: the unstable d-i is a bit unstable at the moment - do you have a cd drive in this machine? |
| 23:54.05 | astronut | nkuttler: i see what you're saying |
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| 23:54.21 | astronut | i'm just affraid grub has the bootloader for windows in a file |
| 23:54.25 | astronut | i'm not sure exactly where it is |
| 23:54.37 | StijnT | maher: yes I have, but I've been apt-getting stuff on other debian box and writing /var/cache/apt/archives/* to a cd and every time it needs something else :( |
| 23:54.42 | mls | mmm, might help if i gave apt a proper URL. :( |
| 23:54.42 | d | mhall: xlib: conntion to :0.0" refused by server, Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:54.43 | mhall | StijnT: because the trick is in expert mode, you can disable insert of modules you do not want |
| 23:54.43 | d | wtf? |
| 23:54.56 | mhall | d: that's certainly odd, i never got that error before |
| 23:54.56 | maher | StijnT: is there some kernel which works with the network cad? |
| 23:55.01 | StijnT | mhall: well I don't think the crash is caused by some module |
| 23:55.04 | mhall | d: try google and also maybe somebody here has seen it |
| 23:55.07 | StijnT | maher: yes 2.6.11, 2.6.12, running fine |
| 23:55.16 | astronut | the thing says root (hd0,0) and chainloader +1 |
| 23:55.20 | mhall | StijnT: so the detector crashes one of your peripherals or something such? |
| 23:55.31 | henryb | the answer to my question about how to get php4-pgsql working was simply dpkg-reconfigure php4-pgsql |
| 23:55.33 | maher | StijnT: why can't you install with the working d-i and then write the working kernel to cd and copy it over? |
| 23:55.40 | StijnT | mhall: it just says after detection went to 100% 'blabla failed' |
| 23:55.41 | nkuttler | astronut: no idea, if yes it should be mentioned in the grub doc |
| 23:55.51 | RedDrake | mhall: fixed the hosts file, but still the problem |
| 23:56.00 | RedDrake | do I really need a dns server then? |
| 23:56.01 | RedDrake | :\ |
| 23:56.05 | mhall | RedDrake: hmm what about /var/log/messages |
| 23:56.05 | deepfrze | astronut: what windows? |
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| 23:56.14 | astronut | deepfrze: xp home |
| 23:56.14 | mhall | RedDrake: and /var/log/syslog |
| 23:56.18 | mhall | RedDrake: and dmesg |
| 23:56.18 | RedDrake | moment, so that it boots up |
| 23:56.23 | astronut | man menu.lst does nothing :-( |
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| 23:56.24 | StijnT | maher: ok, but I wanted to compile the kernel on the newly installed machine |
| 23:56.35 | mhall | RedDrake: there has _GOT_ to be some kind of timeout error somewhere |
| 23:56.35 | nkuttler | astronut: the documentation, not the man page |
| 23:56.48 | nkuttler | astronut: grub-doc |
| 23:56.49 | astronut | nkuttler: well, i didn't have grub-doc i just found |
| 23:56.51 | maher | StijnT: well once the network is working you download what you need... |
| 23:56.55 | astronut | e:f;b |
| 23:56.59 | mhall | RedDrake: other thing, make sure lo interface is set up in /etc/network/interfaces and is flagged as auto |
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| 23:57.08 | d | hm |
| 23:57.10 | StijnT | maher: I guess i'll just download the intel driver from intel.com then |
| 23:57.26 | StijnT | bleh :( |
| 23:57.27 | d | it says type XRE_IMPORT_PROFILES=1 mozilla-thunderbird in # but still doesnt work |
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| 23:57.31 | StijnT | sad :( |
| 23:57.51 | deepfrze | astronut: I think win xp has to have the mbr, and linux boot record will be in it's own partition |
| 23:57.58 | maher | StijnT: if its any consolation i have always found intel's most recent mb's to be a royal pita to get working |
| 23:58.07 | redguy | a-ha! so no one told me that ldconfig expects the libraries to begin with lib! |
| 23:58.10 | RedDrake | astronut: check #flood for an example of a win xp loader in grub |
| 23:58.20 | StijnT | maher: it's an Abit TH7-II RAID, almost 4 years old ... |
| 23:58.26 | astronut | deepfrze: yes, i know...currently grub loads the xp bootloader, i need to restore it to the mbr |
| 23:58.33 | mhall | maher: i got one of their latest boards going great with 2.6 sata |
| 23:58.41 | mhall | maher: fast fucking box that was |
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| 23:59.10 | mhall | astronut: need to restore which to the mbr? |
| 23:59.13 | StijnT | mhall: true, normally it isn't such a problem |
| 23:59.16 | astronut | mhall: the xp bootloader |
| 23:59.26 | StijnT | but it seems the Intel PRO/1000 GT is a bit too knew :( |
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| 23:59.30 | mhall | astronut: boot xp cd into recovery command line mode |
| 23:59.32 | StijnT | 0000:02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 107c (rev 05) |
| 23:59.39 | maher | StijnT: oh - its just the network card? stick a spare 10mbit card in for the install... :) |
| 23:59.40 | astronut | mhall: i'd rather not do it unless i have to |
| 23:59.42 | mhall | astronut: fixmbr command will restor boot sector |
| 23:59.47 | akhayyat | anybody experiencing any problems with external dvd/cd-writers?? |
| 23:59.53 | StijnT | maher: well, my vga-heatpipe-fan is in the way |
| 23:59.57 | mhall | astronut: not do what? |
| 23:59.59 | StijnT | and I don't feel like screwing arround :( |
