| 00:00.33 | maher | akhayyat: on unstable? |
| 00:00.39 | StijnT | but I do need the box up & running before I get some sleep coz tomorrow /me gone for few dayz and I want xs :-) |
| 00:00.42 | astronut | mhall: use cd |
| 00:00.50 | astronut | i need to find exactly what chainload means |
| 00:00.54 | astronut | err, does |
| 00:00.57 | mhall | astronut: why not? |
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| 00:01.03 | mhall | astronut: chainload is the chain loader |
| 00:01.04 | akhayyat | i have an external dvd-writer.. if i plug it in using usb2, unplugging halts the system.. if i plug it using firewire, once i unplug it, pluggin again does not work |
| 00:01.09 | akhayyat | maher: testing |
| 00:01.11 | mhall | astronut: it calls a non UNIX loader to load non UNIX |
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| 00:01.16 | mhall | astronut: it's a loader loader |
| 00:01.22 | mhall | astronut: because it loads another loader |
| 00:01.28 | astronut | mhall: where does it get that loader from? |
| 00:01.35 | mhall | astronut: the partition boot sector |
| 00:01.38 | astronut | ah |
| 00:01.44 | mhall | astronut: the nt boot menu is put on mbr |
| 00:01.46 | astronut | so i just need to copy the partition boot sector into the mbr? |
| 00:01.51 | mhall | astronut: no |
| 00:01.59 | maher | akhayyat: my external dvdrw has stopped writing under unstable - still works fine in stable - i think the problem is cdrecord but am too lazy to debug |
| 00:02.01 | mhall | astronut: the partition boot sector does not have menu, etc. |
| 00:02.09 | mhall | astronut: even in ms world, nt loader is a chain loader |
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| 00:02.13 | astronut | mhall: i never used menu |
| 00:02.14 | astronut | ah, ok |
| 00:02.17 | astronut | i see what you mean |
| 00:02.18 | astronut | alright |
| 00:02.19 | d | hmm |
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| 00:02.23 | mhall | astronut: even when you have no menu |
| 00:02.24 | d | very weird, cant get thunderbird to load |
| 00:02.26 | astronut | i'll just go ahead and install ubuntu |
| 00:02.27 | mhall | astronut: it still runs |
| 00:02.30 | d | none of the bugfixes work |
| 00:02.32 | astronut | i see what you mean |
| 00:02.32 | astronut | i get it now |
| 00:02.33 | mhall | astronut: it just does not display menu |
| 00:02.39 | astronut | right |
| 00:02.40 | astronut | i see |
| 00:02.45 | mhall | astronut: cool |
| 00:02.51 | akhayyat | maher: mine works fine as long as it is the first time i plug it in.. if i unplug i have to reboot to get it recognized again |
| 00:02.52 | mhall | astronut: sorry it took so long to explain |
| 00:02.59 | astronut | mhall: i get it now, thanks |
| 00:03.01 | mhall | astronut: but at first i did not understand your problem |
| 00:03.02 | astronut | i appreciate it |
| 00:03.16 | astronut | mhall: oh, trust me, i know the feeling :-) |
| 00:03.18 | RedDrake | mhall: no logs anywhere |
| 00:03.20 | astronut | just glad to get a good answer |
| 00:03.23 | mhall | RedDrake: ! |
| 00:03.23 | maher | akhayyat: well - something's buggy - i assume you've tried restarting hotplug |
| 00:03.32 | RedDrake | auto lo |
| 00:03.32 | RedDrake | iface lo inet loopback |
| 00:03.36 | astronut | so the mbr is gone...and i THINK i don't have recovery, just reinstall, knowing HP...go figure :-P |
| 00:03.37 | Yevgeniy | mac os-x uses hfs? |
| 00:03.39 | RedDrake | this is in interfaces, and looks ok |
| 00:03.46 | mhall | RedDrake: right |
| 00:03.50 | mhall | RedDrake: seems fine |
| 00:03.54 | StijnT | damn this cdrw will be broken if I keep erasing and writing debian-images to it |
| 00:04.03 | mhall | astronut: oh i see why you did not like the CD |
| 00:04.04 | StijnT | :-) |
| 00:04.05 | nkuttler | Yevgeniy: hfs+ |
| 00:04.08 | mhall | astronut: it's not a real windows CD |
| 00:04.14 | mhall | astronut: so it overwrites everything |
| 00:04.16 | Yevgeniy | thanks |
| 00:04.16 | astronut | mhall: actually, i dind't think of that till then |
| 00:04.17 | astronut | ya |
| 00:04.22 | astronut | well, it runs install proccess so it might work |
| 00:04.25 | akhayyat | maher: no.. actually i tried removing usb-storage and related kernel modules and reloading them.. but removing them (modprobe -r) hangs and does not return |
| 00:04.33 | astronut | it's not an image, it's an installer |
| 00:04.39 | mhall | astronut: if you had a real windows cd you could use the command line recovery mode and fix it in 5 minutes |
| 00:04.41 | astronut | and i also have a regular xp pro one |
| 00:04.44 | astronut | ya, i know |
| 00:04.47 | astronut | i've done that before |
| 00:04.47 | mhall | astronut: use XP Pro CD |
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| 00:04.49 | nkuttler | Yevgeniy: in fact, you can chose ufs in the installer iirc |
| 00:04.55 | astronut | mhall: may not work for home |
| 00:04.59 | mhall | astronut: it will |
| 00:05.02 | astronut | well, i'll just use the grub from ubuntu |
| 00:05.04 | astronut | ah, coool |
| 00:05.12 | mhall | astronut: it will believe that you mean to upgrade box |
| 00:05.20 | mhall | astronut: so then it will do upgrade mode if you let it |
| 00:05.29 | mhall | astronut: but recovery mode trick will work anyhow |
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| 00:05.38 | mhall | astronut: just use that instead of going into install |
| 00:05.45 | mhall | astronut: and all should be right and good in the world |
| 00:05.47 | rking | how do people type accented chars in firefox? i can do all the advanced input i want from vim, but i'd like to know how to do this from firefox |
| 00:05.49 | astronut | ya |
| 00:05.51 | astronut | lol |
| 00:05.53 | Yevgeniy | nkuttler : I'm trying to mount an os-x image file |
| 00:05.58 | astronut | well, hopefully ubuntu will handle better than debian |
| 00:06.11 | astronut | my graphics card and 2.4 didnt' like each other, the 2.6 nvidia driver wouldn't load |
| 00:06.34 | mhall | astronut: nvidia drivers are... 'interesting'... |
| 00:06.35 | astronut | it just wasn't worth fooling with...ubuntu live cd is what i tested, and ubuntu is 2.6.11 and xorg, with nvidia already set up |
| 00:06.46 | RedDrake | another strange thing |
| 00:06.46 | astronut | mhall: oh, i know...don't get me started about this boxes nvidia issues |
| 00:06.56 | mhall | astronut: nothing's wrong with ubuntu, so use that if it works |
| 00:07.01 | astronut | ya, that's the plan |
| 00:07.08 | mhall | astronut: good plan imho |
| 00:07.13 | astronut | well, i want to become a dd...but i have 2 debian systems to work on so not a biggie |
| 00:07.18 | mhall | astronut: i'm very pragmatic |
| 00:07.26 | astronut | laptop should be just works anyway, becuase i use it at school |
| 00:07.30 | The_Ultimate_Sam | does anyone here know how to burn an mdf file? |
| 00:07.31 | mhall | astronut: debian didn't work on my laptop because ACPI is teh sux |
| 00:07.37 | akhayyat | i think it is easy to setup nvidia driver under debian: module-assistant a-i nvidia |
| 00:07.38 | astronut | i have a feeling i'll use windows more..that's why i have the laptop, windows |
| 00:07.39 | mhall | astronut: so i'm doing solaris x86 |
| 00:07.42 | astronut | mhall: apm? |
| 00:07.44 | RedDrake | the /var/log/messages says that eth1 down was reported at 09:58:20 |
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| 00:07.54 | astronut | mhall: the ubuntu live cd worked well |
| 00:07.55 | mhall | astronut: 64 bit boxes are ACPI only |
| 00:08.03 | astronut | saw my battery, auto engaged screensaver when i shut lid, etc |
| 00:08.05 | d | sorry to keep bringing this up, but does anyone know a work around to the mozilla/thunderbird bug: Xlib: connection to "0:0" refused by server |
| 00:08.14 | astronut | mhall: ah...well, i didn't get the 64 bit to save 100$ |
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| 00:08.23 | astronut | d: yes....xhost + |
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| 00:08.35 | mhall | astronut: hmm, you threw away some cpu registers |
| 00:08.35 | TicK | Anybody use d-link dwl-g520s under linux? |
| 00:08.39 | astronut | d: also, df -h, make sure not full |
| 00:08.40 | mhall | astronut: oh well |
| 00:08.43 | astronut | mhall: ya, well i know better |
| 00:08.44 | RedDrake | and the /var/log/auth.log says that server was listening at 09:58:19 for a connection |
| 00:08.46 | astronut | TicK: yes |
| 00:08.47 | astronut | wait |
| 00:08.47 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i have an image im trying to burn but its a .mdf file and i k3b cant burn it |
| 00:08.50 | RedDrake | which can't be right |
| 00:08.52 | astronut | g640 i think |
| 00:09.00 | rking | !tell d about mit-magic-cookie |
| 00:09.01 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: try running file <filename> |
| 00:09.02 | The_Ultimate_Sam | anyone know how to burn it |
| 00:09.07 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: see what it thinks is inside |
| 00:09.15 | TicK | astronut: does it work ok? I'm thinking of getting one for my linux box |
| 00:09.19 | The_Ultimate_Sam | hmm |
| 00:09.22 | astronut | TicK: check their website |
| 00:09.23 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ill give that a try |
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| 00:09.29 | astronut | they say mine won't work in linux but it does anyway |
| 00:09.33 | astronut | except my laptop' |
| 00:09.35 | TicK | ya? |
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| 00:09.37 | astronut | s pcmia bus is weird |
| 00:09.42 | TicK | hmm |
| 00:09.47 | astronut | but that's all PCMCIA not just the dlink |
| 00:09.50 | astronut | once i fixed that, it loaded fine |
| 00:09.52 | astronut | but... |
| 00:09.57 | astronut | mine has 4 diff revisions with 4 chipsets |
| 00:10.01 | astronut | google is your firend here |
| 00:10.05 | TicK | indeed |
| 00:10.20 | astronut | is that the PCI one? |
| 00:10.25 | TicK | ya |
| 00:10.29 | RedDrake | oh, I forgot to mention that various commands such as mc also stall the system (when no inet) |
| 00:10.32 | astronut | i think my friend just got one...he's getting linux tuesday, i'm going over to help install |
| 00:10.50 | TicK | there's a linux driver .. but it doesn't seem to be even beta yet |
| 00:10.58 | astronut | TicK: madwifi? |
| 00:10.59 | TicK | but they do say in the docs it works |
| 00:11.01 | TicK | ya that's it |
| 00:11.05 | astronut | TicK: ya, it shouldd work |
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| 00:11.12 | TicK | cool |
| 00:11.19 | astronut | mine says it didn't work, but it worked peachy in ubuntu's live cd once i did the setpci thing |
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| 00:11.39 | TicK | coolbeans |
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| 00:12.59 | akhayyat | madwifi works very well |
| 00:14.42 | The_Ultimate_Sam | mhall:it says "data" |
| 00:14.48 | RedDrake | oki, I'll try installing a dns server |
| 00:14.54 | mwilson | Hm, even after the mirror pulse, the http.us.debian.org mirrors still don't have the right Release.gpg file. |
| 00:14.55 | RedDrake | which one would be recommended |
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| 00:14.57 | d | !tell d sshx |
| 00:15.13 | d | !tell d about sshx |
| 00:15.15 | RedDrake | apt-cache search dns revealed too many options :) |
| 00:15.16 | The_Ultimate_Sam | the odder thing is the mds file says "MED_SONG" |
| 00:15.32 | d | yar, neither of those commands worked |
| 00:15.34 | d | >< |
| 00:15.39 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: damn |
| 00:15.47 | d | it started the profile thing, but quickly exited |
| 00:15.52 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: now i think MDF is from the Alcohol 120 utility |
| 00:16.03 | The_Ultimate_Sam | yes i think so too |
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| 00:16.12 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but i dont have alchohol |
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| 00:16.45 | The_Ultimate_Sam | so i need to know how to burn it |
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| 00:18.07 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: free trial is available |
| 00:18.15 | mwilson | Oh, cute... an uncoordinated binary NMU for apt. |
| 00:18.16 | astronut | The_Ultimate_Sam: try k3b |
| 00:18.27 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: but probably what you really want is a tool like... ultraiso |
| 00:18.32 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: it can convert any to any |
| 00:18.38 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: and should let you get a bin/cue |
| 00:18.46 | mwilson | SOMEONE is going to get their head handed to them, I think. |
| 00:18.47 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: which you can trivially burn on anything |
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| 00:19.01 | The_Ultimate_Sam | hmm |
| 00:19.11 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: i will talk to a friend on aim |
| 00:19.16 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: he's a burning expert |
| 00:19.21 | T3H | IM TEH LEET JOO ALL SUXXORZ!!!!1111one |
| 00:19.23 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: ultraiso is sadly ms tool |
| 00:19.46 | mhall | !ops T3H is being a no-talent ass clown |
| 00:19.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: T3H is being a no-talent ass clown |
| 00:20.24 | deadcat | T3H: bye |
| 00:20.26 | The_Ultimate_Sam | so how do i use it on linux? |
| 00:20.31 | T3H | wow, fast and furious reply! was counting on a kick, but there ya go... |
| 00:20.36 | RedDrake | mhall: set the hostname to localhost (just in case), but still no effect |
| 00:20.37 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: you can try wine |
| 00:20.40 | mhall | RedDrake: ! |
| 00:20.59 | RedDrake | do you have any ideas what MUST be set in order to have good name resolving |
| 00:21.02 | The_Ultimate_Sam | hmm |
| 00:21.06 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: i will ask one of my friends on aim that's more of a burning expert |
| 00:21.11 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: he should know of a method |
| 00:21.15 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: hold pls |
| 00:21.18 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok |
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| 00:21.37 | T3H | I'm happy I'm no linux geek...see yous around |
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| 00:21.59 | dondelelcaro | right then... |
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| 00:22.24 | RvGaTe | is there a good irc bot to replace eggdrop? |
| 00:22.29 | BhaalWK | dpkg -b <directory> is what would normally be used to build a .deb from a debian source package right? |
| 00:22.30 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, BhaalWK |
| 00:22.32 | tech9iner | Paging anyone using Lexmark AIO x4270 or close on sarge please!... paging... ;];] |
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| 00:22.35 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: why would you need to replace it? |
| 00:22.38 | richb | ello all |
| 00:22.39 | dondelelcaro | BhaalWK: no. |
| 00:22.54 | dondelelcaro | BhaalWK: fakeroot debian/rules binary; is what would normally be used. Or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot; |
| 00:23.00 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro: becouse things are not working well, and to explore other packages, to see how they work |
| 00:23.18 | BhaalWK | dondelelcaro: Its been so long since I have done anything like this, Thanks |
| 00:23.43 | cockroach | dammit, running out of space in /boot sucks :) |
| 00:24.02 | mls | smaller feet |
| 00:24.14 | cockroach | *g* |
| 00:24.25 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: well, there are a few hundred bots; all of various degrees of suckiness. apt-cache search irc bot; for a relatively comprehensive list. |
| 00:24.28 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 320025 |
| 00:24.31 | dpkg | DONE:#320025:M[apt] apt-get signature error on http.us.debian.org Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:03:05 UTC |
| 00:24.40 | mwilson | Not to bots, to something else. :) |
| 00:24.44 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 00:25.19 | mwilson | Even after a mirror pulse, half of http.us.debian.org mirrors have either the wrong gpg key for unstable, or a broken one. |
| 00:25.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell TicK about away |
| 00:25.30 | TicK | oops |
| 00:25.50 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yes; I'm not sure if all of those mirrors can actually be pulsed yet since they have access restrictions |
| 00:25.52 | d | heh |
| 00:26.02 | d | I get the same Xlib error when typing xhost +, xhost- |
| 00:26.03 | mwilson | So depending on which you hit, apt whines. :) |
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| 00:26.38 | mwilson | As opposed to what, then? |
| 00:26.48 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: ok sweet I got a link |
| 00:26.52 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion |
| 00:26.55 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: your local mirrors are generally a better bet, since they're usually only a few hours behind |
| 00:27.00 | mwilson | http.us.debian.org is a round-robin of five machines. What's it for, then, if not that? |
| 00:27.04 | mhall | The_Ultimate_Sam: My buddy was not around so I googled a while. |
| 00:27.08 | ke6isf | mwilson: ...pick one of the US based mirrors near you? |
| 00:27.45 | jcarr | what's a mdf file!? |
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| 00:28.09 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Further, http.us.debian.org is what d-i offers you. :) |
| 00:28.10 | exobyte | yay!! I like using the berkeley mirror |
| 00:28.13 | jcarr | Magic iso :( |
| 00:28.35 | mhall | jcarr: alcohol 120% |
| 00:28.43 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: last time I checked by default it runs apt-setup... there's a list of a few hundred of the things. |
| 00:28.43 | mhall | jcarr: windows non-free burning app |
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| 00:28.57 | mhall | jcarr: known for its capabilities on 'broken' CDs |
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| 00:29.03 | dondelelcaro | (but then, it's been a long time since I've actually paid attention to what the "default" installation gets you" |
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| 00:29.27 | jcarr | mhall, anyway to burn it from linux? |
| 00:29.33 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Just for grins I set up a local netbootable installer from the contents of my CD... it doesn't run apt-setup. |
| 00:29.33 | jcarr | (probably not) |
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| 00:29.45 | mhall | jcarr: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion is your best bet from what I found in a talk with The_Ultimate_Sam |
| 00:30.36 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: ah... well, it could be a change in the "lets not ask so many questions" direction; if you do get asked the "pick a mirror" question, it should give you the list... |
| 00:30.45 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: I also see zero reason to get on the "oh no oh no I need to find a faster mirror or I'm going to die" merry-go-round. |
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| 00:31.16 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Which imho is the only reason apt-setup exists. |
| 00:31.51 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: nah; it's built to help spread out the load and reduce transit costs in places where it actually matters. |
| 00:31.53 | jcarr | nice to see linuxquestions.org is going strong |
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| 00:32.03 | jcarr | I used to hang out there a lot back in the day |
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| 00:32.17 | mwilson | jcarr: Have you looked at it lately? The clue level is near zero. |
| 00:32.32 | mwilson | jcarr: Sadly, that happens to most fora of that type. |
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| 00:33.22 | d | grr, anyone know of a different workaround to the thunderbird bug than xhost +/- ? |
| 00:33.27 | jcarr | oh? |
| 00:33.33 | mwilson | "thunderbird bug"? |
| 00:33.33 | jcarr | heh, I just looked at the wiki |
| 00:33.41 | jcarr | I quit using the forums years ago |
| 00:33.56 | mwilson | Personally, I never bother with wiki. |
| 00:33.59 | ke6isf | d: Please clarify, what thunderbird bug? |
| 00:34.00 | d | mwilson: i can load thunderbird, it gives me an Xlib: error |
| 00:34.07 | fas3r | anybody use specter-mysql??? |
| 00:34.13 | jcarr | basically because of idiots making snide remarks about things they don't know :( |
| 00:34.14 | deadcat | firefox 1.0.6 |
| 00:34.28 | d | connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 00:34.36 | d | Gtk-WARNING cannot open display |
| 00:34.39 | d | all Xlib: |
| 00:34.43 | jcarr | you know the type, some kiddie who makes cute little php scripts and thinks they know everything, laughs off OOP as bloatted crap,etc. |
| 00:34.59 | mwilson | jcarr: But I *do* know... having looked at the linuxquestions.org fora. Why would I express an opinion if I hadn't? |
| 00:35.07 | deadcat | jcarr: thats me. HAHAHAHHA |
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| 00:35.27 | d | i read everything I could off google and bug reports.. but nothing worked |
| 00:35.30 | ke6isf | jcarr: I wonder if said luser is Jeff K's cousin or something. |
| 00:35.44 | ke6isf | d: How did you install tbird, and what distro are you running? |
| 00:36.04 | d | debian sarge, I tried it with apt-get and dling manually through mozilla.com |
| 00:36.18 | ke6isf | d: And both get you the same result? =O.o= |
| 00:36.22 | d | yes |
| 00:36.45 | jcarr | \you know the type, the "Everything I knew about programming I read from slashdot.org" types :) |
| 00:36.45 | d | through my digging, ive seen that it usually happens to both firefox and thunderbird.. but my FF works fine |
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| 00:37.17 | mwilson | Hm, I've not bothered with thundercrap in a long time. Is it still as annoying as it's always been? |
| 00:37.28 | aFlag | is there a tool for zipping stuff? |
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| 00:37.32 | d | i guess so |
| 00:37.39 | ke6isf | aFlag: um, yeah. tar and gzip. |
| 00:37.41 | d | mwilson: can you reccomend a different pop3 client? |
| 00:37.42 | mwilson | It was always like it took everything that was bad about Mozilla Mail and didn't add anything else. |
| 00:37.54 | jcarr | I still use evolution for email |
| 00:37.58 | jcarr | it's solid, and I like it |
| 00:37.59 | mls | mutt |
| 00:38.00 | deadcat | why the hell oo.org is 48MB. i just want the word thing. not the other craps. |
| 00:38.06 | ke6isf | sylpheed here. |
| 00:38.09 | aFlag | ke6isf, but does it zip in the windows format? |
| 00:38.11 | exobyte | deadcat: use abiword |
| 00:38.16 | jcarr | d: evolution is the best email client imho |
| 00:38.23 | jcarr | deadcat, 48mb isn't much |
| 00:38.24 | ke6isf | aFlag: Now why would you want to do that?! |
| 00:38.27 | deadcat | exobyte: abiword sucks. i tried it. |
| 00:38.30 | ke6isf | aFlag: =^_^= |
| 00:38.31 | d | yea |
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| 00:38.36 | abrotman | deadcat: use oo.o |
| 00:38.36 | ke6isf | aFlag: Try zip. |
| 00:38.36 | mwilson | aFlag: No, it zips in the *ZIP* format. Perhaps you've heard of it? It's a standard. |
| 00:38.45 | d | through my 2938040892390842980 clicking the same icon, it finally opened |
| 00:38.45 | deadcat | jcarr: too much for me since i dont use the other tools it comes with at all |
| 00:38.49 | aFlag | because my dad really insist that it's zipped in the .zip |
| 00:38.52 | exobyte | deadcat: I like it more than ooword of whatever they call it |
| 00:39.00 | abrotman | writer |
| 00:39.04 | mwilson | jcarr: Surely you jest. Evocrap can't even read its own mail directories without spewing to stderr. |
| 00:39.12 | deadcat | abrotman: i am using oo.org but everytime it upgrades i have to download 41.7MB |
| 00:39.19 | ke6isf | Oh, jeez. |
| 00:39.21 | ke6isf | !elm |
| 00:39.21 | dpkg | from memory, elm is the best damn mail reader ever created, with the possible exception of mailx |
| 00:39.32 | abrotman | deadcat: pick your poison .. quit your bitching .. write your own! |
| 00:39.41 | abrotman | !elmo |
| 00:39.41 | dpkg | somebody said elmo was at http://plaza.v-wave.com/bert/bert007.htm |
| 00:39.45 | abrotman | no |
| 00:39.47 | abrotman | but whatever |
| 00:39.52 | mwilson | jcarr: It used to be highly amusing... install evolution cold, run it once, let it create ~/.evolution, then run it a second time and watch it whine about the directory structure and files *it* had just created. |
| 00:39.59 | ke6isf | deadcat: Just download the fscking package and use it. |
| 00:39.59 | deadcat | abrotman: no. i am gonna stick with bitching. |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | deadcat: good plan |
| 00:40.23 | jcarr | btw, about OO.org... wtf does it always take so long to start? I went ahead and installed crossover office and installed Microsoft Office, and it starts up instantly, as opposed to OO.org |
| 00:40.32 | mwilson | jcarr: You're saying that's gotten better? |
| 00:40.33 | deadcat | ke6isf: cant they just make ooword, oopowerpower, ooothershit, and oo.org containing all those shits or something |
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| 00:40.39 | jcarr | mwilson, yeah |
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| 00:40.47 | jcarr | mwilson, I never had a problem with Evolution |
| 00:40.51 | ke6isf | deadcat: I dunno, I"m not a developer. I just use it and it works. |
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| 00:41.03 | jcarr | I just use it and it works for me :) |
| 00:41.16 | deadcat | ke6isf: when i see those guys i am gonna let them know. then i smack their asses |
| 00:41.16 | jcarr | Evolution 2.0 though |
| 00:41.24 | ke6isf | Though the merge tools are a bit of a bear to get the hang of. |
| 00:41.24 | jcarr | or whatever the latest stable is |
| 00:41.31 | jcarr | (not Debian stable) |
| 00:42.07 | jcarr | :( |
| 00:42.29 | abrotman | yeah .. oracle+laptop .. your life wasted |
| 00:42.37 | mwilson | This was evocrap 2.something the last time I played with it. |
| 00:43.05 | exobyte | how do pon (and whatever it calls) tell a system the dns is x.x.x.x? |
| 00:43.21 | jcarr | abrotman, heh, the install suceeded finally... I just can't get it to work... |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | exobyte: tell the ystem ? |
| 00:43.25 | rking | exobyte: probably dhcp |
| 00:43.27 | ke6isf | exobyte: Parse error. pon? |
| 00:43.36 | abrotman | jcarr: guess it didn't suceed did it ? |
| 00:43.42 | jcarr | I think I'm just gonna get a cheap desktop pc and throw Red Crap on it so i can run it :( |
| 00:43.43 | ke6isf | !pon |
| 00:43.43 | dpkg | i heard pon is want to run pon without root? As root, type: 'adduser <USER> dip', log out, log back in and give it a shot :) and chown -R root.dip /etc/ppp or 'apt-get install ppp' |
| 00:43.52 | ke6isf | Ah, OK. |
| 00:43.53 | exobyte | ke6isf: to connect to the internet. it calles pppd |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | jcarr: you'd probably be wasting your money |
| 00:44.48 | exobyte | rking: hmm.. I might not have a client, that could create a problem, maybe, but ppp0 does get an ip and I can ping out |
| 00:45.07 | liable | exobyte: pppd should do it, add them manually to resolv.conf if it doesnt. |
| 00:45.17 | phogg | exobyte: /etc/ppp/resolv/peername contains the dns info for /etc/ppp/peers/peername, at least on my system |
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| 00:46.11 | rking | exobyte: maybe ppp uses some non-dhcp mechanism of doing a dhcp-like negotiation |
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| 00:46.21 | exobyte | phogg: correct, well, pon foo will be /etc/..../foo, but what if the it's server assigned and .../resolv/foo is empty? |
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| 00:46.41 | exobyte | rking: it might. I didn't give it an ip and it got a valid one |
| 00:46.41 | phogg | exobyte: it shouldn't be server assigned |
| 00:46.48 | mwilson | Man... thunderbird is STILL this slow on-screen? Sheesh. |
| 00:46.49 | exobyte | phogg: dns?! |
| 00:46.58 | phogg | exobyte: in dial up land, it's been a while, but I seem to recall you always entered your nameservers manually |
| 00:47.03 | mwilson | Ok, I'm done with today's experimenting. |
| 00:47.22 | exobyte | phogg: the only reason I don't... Windows doesn't |
| 00:47.37 | mwilson | It prints better, I'll give it that. |
| 00:47.38 | exobyte | phogg: I mean, windows will get the servers |
| 00:47.46 | chealer | mwilson: what do you mean by "on-screen"? |
| 00:47.52 | phogg | exobyte: ah, so you figure there must be a way. |
| 00:47.55 | aeronadix | I am trying to use my cd burner. I am gonna use cdrdao. DO I mount the blank cdrom first to burn on it? Because I am having trouble mounting a blank disc |
| 00:48.12 | phogg | aeronadix: ypou can't mount a blank disc |
| 00:48.18 | exobyte | phogg: some logic, but yeah |
| 00:48.21 | phogg | aeronadix: it has no filesyetem, you see |
| 00:48.24 | mwilson | chealer: <flicker> <flicker> <flicker> <flicker> Like most GTK apps do. Evocrap doesn't do it, I've never understood why, but it's about the only GTK app that doesn't. |
| 00:48.29 | Maliuta | phogg: that was years and years ago, ppp has had the abitlity to set dns for you for about 7 or 8 years now |
| 00:48.29 | aeronadix | phogg: I see |
| 00:48.42 | mwilson | chealer: Gets tiresome to actually be able to watch the windows draw. |
| 00:48.55 | phogg | aeronadix: cdrdao has a device option. Give it your cdrom device and it will tell the device to burn. No mounting needed |
| 00:49.25 | mwilson | chealer: It's one of the reasons I've never bothered much with GTK2 applications. |
| 00:49.32 | exobyte | phogg: one other reason. I have a system that does that |
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| 00:50.01 | phogg | exobyte: a linux system? |
| 00:50.11 | abrotman | mwilson: PURGE! |
| 00:50.34 | rking | mwilson: what graphics card / cpu / ram are you running? |
| 00:50.40 | aeronadix | phogg, thanks, so I can do like this? cdrdao -write file.cue /dev/hdc? |
| 00:50.44 | exobyte | phogg: aye |
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| 00:51.07 | mwilson | abrotman: You betcha. Explain to me please why thunderbird thinks it needs 31 mb of disk space when all of Mozilla (including the browser, the mail client, and I don't know what all else) doesn't eat that much? |
| 00:51.10 | aeronadix | phogg, No i mean: cdrdao -write file.cue -device /dev/hdc? |
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| 00:51.26 | phogg | aeronadix: iirc, you need cdrdao write filename.iso --device /dev/whatever |
| 00:51.49 | phogg | aeronadix: uh yeah. man is your my friend and yours |
| 00:51.54 | mwilson | rking: nVidia GF4/440 AGP 64 mb / Athlon 2600+ / 1.5 gb RAM |
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| 00:52.11 | abrotman | mwilson: because it has .. features! |
| 00:52.13 | mwilson | rking: So yes, you can stuff the whole "upgrade your machine" back where it belongs. |
| 00:52.26 | aeronadix | phogg, thx, what do you mean my friend and yours? |
| 00:52.40 | rking | mwilson: heh, just curious... i don't see any flickering .. but i don't use too many gtk2 apps |
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| 00:53.01 | maher | mwilson: your machine seems substantially better than mine in every way - but i don't recall having any speed issues with thunderbird... |
| 00:53.12 | phogg | mwilson: gtk2 slowness is why I still using gaim 0.5x and an older xchat. I keep hoping one day they'll fix whatever is horribly wrong with it |
| 00:53.12 | abrotman | mwilson: amybe because mozilla-browser installs enough libs ? |
| 00:53.24 | phogg | aeronadix: I mean we can both read man pages |
| 00:53.27 | abrotman | since it requires the browser |
| 00:53.34 | maher | mwilson: maybe i'm just kinda slow myself... |
| 00:53.47 | mwilson | phogg: Well, I've always figured pango was a huge problem of what was wrong with GTK. |
| 00:53.52 | aeronadix | phogg, Oh my bad |
| 00:53.57 | chealer | mwilson: ok, I think I basically understand what you're complaining about. |
| 00:54.02 | abrotman | mwilson: worng with gnome or gtk ? |
| 00:54.02 | phogg | mwilson: that was my understanding as well |
| 00:54.09 | mwilson | phogg: Xchat, of course, is crap no matter what version you use. |
| 00:54.23 | phogg | mwilson: best gui irc app ever |
| 00:54.41 | mwilson | phogg: Then that says little for the state of GUI IRC applications. |
| 00:54.42 | aeronadix | phogg, I just thought maybe you had used it |
| 00:54.47 | phogg | mwilson: which I'll admit says very little for other gui irc programs |
| 00:55.15 | phogg | aeronadix: what, man? All the time. |
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| 00:55.43 | mwilson | maher: It's not slow, exactly... like I said, I can see the windows draw, and it's annoying. Not that thunderbird isn't annoying in general... it's a supremely ugly application, like firefox. |
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| 00:56.24 | mwilson | maher: I'm not sure what more you can expect from it, it being a GTK application and the miserable state of theming for GTK, but there you are. |
| 00:56.59 | mwilson | maher: But you'd expect that it would at least make an attempt to have its buttons all at the same height. |
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| 00:57.56 | maher | mwilson: i just ran thunderbird again - you mean that when you hide/unhide the window you can sometimes see some buttons drawn before others? |
| 00:58.08 | chealer | ah, mwilson and his Qt-centricity |
| 00:58.55 | abrotman | Qt is a pile of doodie |
| 00:59.02 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 00:59.08 | mwilson | chealer: What Qt-centricity would that be, exactly? I'm looking around for any Qt applications on my machine, and I don't seem to find any. |
| 00:59.16 | abrotman | let me rephrase ... KDE is an enormous pile of doodie |
| 00:59.18 | abrotman | Qt just sucks |
| 00:59.24 | chealer | !start a toolkit war |
| 00:59.52 | phogg | mwilson: so you're an athena guy? |
| 00:59.54 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Well don't you know that everybody runs either Gnome or KDE? </sarcasm> |
| 00:59.54 | abrotman | chealer: there are only like 4 main ones .. 5 if you include java :) |
| 00:59.55 | d | diablo:/home/d# gnome-control-center |
| 00:59.55 | d | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 00:59.55 | d | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 00:59.57 | d | :( |
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| 00:59.58 | chealer | !start a sarcasm war |
| 01:00.00 | mwilson | maher: No, I mean that when it pops a dialog, I can see it draw the frame, then the backdrop, then the buttons, then the text on the buttons. From top to bottom. Most GTK applications do the same. |
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| 01:00.12 | abrotman | d: stop running shit as root |
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| 01:00.23 | chealer | abrotman: that's what I was thinking about :) |
| 01:00.36 | d | well, regardless, i get the same error |
| 01:00.40 | mwilson | chealer: Well? |
| 01:01.00 | ke6isf | !tell d about pastebin |
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| 01:01.15 | mwilson | maher: --> http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss07311758.png |
| 01:01.16 | chealer | mwilson: my allusion to your Qt bias was rather indecent sarcasm |
| 01:01.17 | richb | mwilson: GTK is kind of heavy, use mutt:P |
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| 01:01.17 | ke6isf | d: this will help you to *not* get kicked for flooding. |
| 01:01.19 | abrotman | d: stop running shit as root |
| 01:01.27 | mwilson | maher: Thunderbird is remarkably ugly. |
| 01:01.38 | mwilson | richb: I *do* use mutt. |
| 01:01.50 | richb | mwilson: No complaining then!:P |
| 01:02.09 | Yevgeniy | I'm trying to mount a MAC os -X image file, but it returns with an error: ufs_read_super: bad magic number, can anyone help? |
| 01:02.24 | Wojciech | Hi everyone... I have a problem. I tried installing Debian and now when I turn on my computer, I get Error 21 in the GRUB loader, and I can't start anything... I was trying to dual boot with Win XP -- any way I can get back to what I had before? |
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| 01:03.02 | maher | mwilson: i think i can see the frame drawn first, but then everything else appears at once - also i guess i have no aesthetic sense cos it looks like every other app to me... |
| 01:03.12 | richb | Wojciech: IIRC WinXP has a rescue mode from the cdrom, use that I guess |
| 01:03.42 | richb | If you want to remove debian/grub |
| 01:03.52 | mwilson | maher: My GTK2 theme is "Simple". Thunderbird doesn't look like every other GTK2 app using "Simple". |
| 01:04.02 | richb | hehe I remember pine:) |
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| 01:04.25 | Wojciech | richb: Well... Here's the interesting bit. I have an IBM Thinkpad (T42) and it doesn't come with a CD ROM --> the contents of the CD are loaded into a hidden partition of the hard drive. So no access to that. I have a "System Rescue CD" i downloaded that is a Linux OS that boots from a CD, though. |
| 01:04.33 | richb | They use XUL though no? I dont think it is regular GTK |
| 01:04.37 | mwilson | maher: Yeah... most of them are utter crap. |
| 01:04.44 | abrotman | maher: what did you think it was ? |
| 01:04.54 | mwilson | richb: UI elements are XUL. The toolkit is GTK. |
| 01:05.00 | maher | abrotman: a widget toolkit |
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| 01:05.17 | mwilson | maher: Look at gnome-look.org sometime if you really want to be disgusted. |
| 01:05.37 | chealer | mwilson: so, your toolkit of choice is GTK1, bash, or...? |
| 01:05.39 | Yevgeniy | ufs setting for mac os x is ufstype=openstep, correct? |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | maher: i meant that gtk2 wasn't themed :) |
| 01:05.43 | richb | ahh I thought it was more modular than that I remember mozilla using motif or somesuch-and the firefox port to QT |
| 01:05.44 | mwilson | maher: At least it's not as bad as it is for KDE... the KDE people are still trying to recover from that idiot mosfet. |
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| 01:06.15 | ke6isf | !mosfet |
| 01:06.16 | dpkg | well, mosfet is a kde hacker that can be located at http://www.mosfet.org, or site down, try http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/binary-i386/ |
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| 01:06.37 | richb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.44 | mwilson | Mosfet was the self-proclaimed god of KDE theming. |
| 01:06.48 | maher | mwilson: you seem upset about these - who cares what the buttons look like? i put up with sun's motif for years |
| 01:06.54 | abrotman | and where is mosfet now ? |
| 01:07.10 | mwilson | maher: I care because I have to look at the thing. |
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| 01:07.16 | Wojciech | richb (and others): Yes. :) Is there any way I can remove the grub loader through linux console (off a cd)? |
| 01:07.21 | mwilson | maher: Why do you think I use Simple? |
| 01:07.24 | richb | I am using E17 atm, one of the devs made some packages, its rather nice |
| 01:07.34 | ke6isf | mwilson: Being that I don't use KDE, I don't keep up - yet I'm curious, what happened to him? |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | maher: what's wrong with sun motif ? |
| 01:07.42 | mwilson | ke6isf: I have no idea. |
| 01:07.57 | maher | abrotman: actually what i didn't like about the suns was their mice |
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| 01:08.27 | abrotman | maher: the 3 button optical with the funny mouse pad ? |
| 01:08.36 | aeronadix | I am trying to use cdrdao to burn a cue/bin vcd. I am getting error:Cannot retrieve drive capabilities mode page. Also it is using driver SCSI-3/MMC but my drive is an IDE NEC dvd rom. What driver should I use, I can't figure it out |
| 01:08.40 | richb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | maher: i thought those were great .. the crappy PS/2 mice they moved to suck .. bad |
| 01:08.47 | maher | abrotman: i think my dislike of their mouse buttons coloured my whole impression of their gui-thingy |
| 01:09.27 | abrotman | maher: you do mean the opticals right ? |
| 01:09.28 | mwilson | chealer: To answer your question... my choice of toolkits is a null question. I couldn't care less about toolkits. I care about applications. |
| 01:09.46 | richb | Only problem is one of the packages for e17 wont install because libxine is stuck for the gcc4 import:/ |
| 01:09.58 | maher | abrotman: i don't remember now - there were both optical and non-optical mice - its been a few years since i used sun hw... |
| 01:10.07 | mwilson | Sounds like an excellent opportunity to remove Xine, then. |
| 01:10.13 | abrotman | maher: you'd know .. because it would have had the "mirror" mousepad |
| 01:10.20 | tech9iner | Paging anyone using Lexmark AIO x4270 or close on sarge please!... paging... ;];] |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | treekiller! |
| 01:10.40 | Wojciech | richb: Thanks. :) I think I'll be callin IBM tech support, then. |
| 01:10.42 | ke6isf | tech9iner: Just ask the question. |
| 01:10.44 | maher | abrotman: i don't remember mirrored mouse pads... |
| 01:11.04 | richb | Wojciech: good luck man, make sure they dont charge by the minute heh |
| 01:11.07 | abrotman | maher: then it was a crappy PS/2 mouse .. the opticals were distinctive .. let me find a picture |
| 01:11.19 | mwilson | chealer: If there were ever a usable GTK2 file manager, for instance, I'd use it. There isn't one, so I continue to use emelfm. |
| 01:11.32 | mwilson | chealer: Which is GTK1. |
| 01:11.43 | richb | mwilson: Hmm the thunar thing looks nice |
| 01:11.46 | aeronadix | richb, wouldn't you rather get charged by the minute vs by the hour, cause then 15mins would be an hour |
| 01:11.54 | richb | mwilson: But its early beta |
| 01:11.55 | mwilson | thunar? |
| 01:12.02 | tech9iner | ke6isf do you run or know of a driver for Lexmark AIO x4270 for printing / scanning on sarge?.. better? ;];] |
| 01:12.07 | richb | mwilson: New xfce file manager |
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| 01:12.37 | ke6isf | tech9iner: No to all. |
| 01:12.42 | mwilson | Sorry, no xfce here. |
| 01:12.44 | jebba | any good ideas on installing to a system with >2TB disk? I'm thinking installing everything to a single small / partition, booting with a custom kernel, then repartitioning with parted. Is there a better way? |
| 01:12.54 | tech9iner | rofl.. exercise in futility once again.. ;] |
| 01:12.55 | ke6isf | !tell tech9iner about topic |
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| 01:13.16 | richb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | maher: http://images.black-cube.net/sun/SunOpticalMouse.jpg |
| 01:13.20 | mwilson | Ok, THAT looks like something designed off the GTK file dialog stupidity. Not anything I'd ever allow on any of MY boxen. |
| 01:13.25 | macks | will kernel 2.6.12 compile cleanly with the gcc4 in sid? |
| 01:13.36 | tech9iner | yessir richb .. color due diligence done here days back.. |
| 01:13.42 | abrotman | maher: more or less |
| 01:13.43 | mwilson | macks: No. |
| 01:13.50 | abrotman | maher: there are some variations for that type |
| 01:13.53 | mwilson | macks: Nor is it supposed to. |
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| 01:14.03 | robroc | One could argue that Debian has similar advantages, but one should not forget that Debian is an operating system whose reliance on the Linux kernel is accidental. The Hurd and the NetBSD kernel would work just as well, provided the Debian project remembers to update the packages. |
| 01:14.04 | richb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.09 | maher | abrotman: yeah - those were the ones i didn't like |
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| 01:14.26 | ke6isf | fscking trolls. |
| 01:14.31 | abrotman | maher: and you don't remember the mirror thing ? |
| 01:14.32 | mwilson | richb: My gods, but that's ugly. You're supposed to USE this? |
| 01:14.40 | richb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | not even a good troll |
| 01:14.48 | tech9iner | richb gotme.. |
| 01:14.51 | maher | abrotman: maybe that was why it didn't work properly :) |
| 01:14.59 | richb | mwilson: hehe |
| 01:14.59 | tech9iner | checking now via google again richb thanx guv |
| 01:15.17 | abrotman | maher: probably :) .. they're optical .. i think they have to scan the lines on the pad |
| 01:15.32 | richb | tech9iner: If Lexmark do have a driver it will be binary though and probably an RPM |
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| 01:15.50 | mwilson | Wow, what idiot would decide to base an entire application around the GTK stupidity? |
| 01:15.55 | jtth | how do i connect to a bluetooth gps. |
| 01:16.01 | mwilson | You'd think XFCE people would have more sense. |
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| 01:16.05 | abrotman | mwilson: like .. gnome ? :) |
| 01:16.15 | richb | mwilson: well xfce is gtk2 based hehe |
| 01:16.31 | mwilson | abrotman: Gnome's entire UI isn't based around the idiotic GTK file dialog. |
| 01:16.35 | tech9iner | lexmark offers source files richb .. i just SUck at compiling and such.. any 'geekiness' beyond yum / synaptic installs makes hair fall out here is all ;];] |
| 01:16.52 | abrotman | mwilson: that's been changed |
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| 01:17.11 | mwilson | abrotman: The dialog has been, or the basis for their UI has been? |
| 01:17.17 | richb | tech9iner: doubt it will be source-IIRC it was an orrid thing written in TCL when I installed a friends printer |
| 01:17.20 | tech9iner | richb in my 3 yrs on linux.. ive compiled.. whilst holding other mates warm generous hands.. like 3x.. |
| 01:17.27 | abrotman | mwilson: the gtk file dialog has been changed |
| 01:17.36 | mwilson | abrotman: To what? |
| 01:17.37 | jtth | can anyone advise the best way of connecting to a bluetooth gps in debian testing? |
| 01:17.41 | tech9iner | your not saying what i want to hear again richb rofl |
| 01:17.56 | tech9iner | richb thought we talked bout that.. hehe |
| 01:18.06 | abrotman | you're |
| 01:18.12 | richb | tech9iner: Sorry hehe, also the version of TCL the driver was based on was ages out of date |
| 01:18.14 | abrotman | mwilson: something 'better' :) |
| 01:18.18 | tech9iner | richb seriously.. thanks for feedback mate ;] |
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| 01:18.50 | richb | tech9iner: np, gl with it-next time check the CUPS page before you buy-not that this is always possible:/ |
| 01:19.28 | tech9iner | richb gotcha guv.. lol.. this is for pal o mine.. he's the guilty party that went out n bought this pos ;] |
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| 01:19.47 | richb | tech9iner: haha, go ahead and insult then:P |
| 01:20.00 | mwilson | abrotman: It doesn't look like this any more? --> http://members.cox.net/msw/gtk-file-dialog.png |
| 01:20.25 | abrotman | mwilson: i think that's what they changed it to :) |
| 01:20.31 | abrotman | mwilson: the older one was horrible |
| 01:20.31 | SerajewelKS | this is majorly off-topic, but my brother's hard drive appears to be failing. i've hooked it up to my debian box to try to run some tests. i can't even get a S.M.A.R.T. test to run.. does this sound like a drive software problem or physical head damage? |
| 01:20.32 | tech9iner | he bought this cf-71 toughbook from me.. then promptly went out and bought that damn x4270.. and lost the receipt and trashed the packaging!!! ive repainted his colors to eeeedeeeott! ;] |
| 01:20.58 | richb | tech9iner: haha |
| 01:20.59 | mwilson | abrotman: No, the older one worked. THIS one was created by morons. |
| 01:21.10 | tech9iner | someone need me?.. |
| 01:21.21 | tech9iner | did i hear 'moron' evoked? |
| 01:21.22 | tech9iner | heh |
| 01:21.24 | abrotman | mwilson: the older was pretty bad |
| 01:21.32 | richb | mwilson: well gnome is kind of corporate now-they are aiming for business I guess |
| 01:21.47 | abrotman | mwilson: did you read the "new feature" article about gnome2.12 ? |
| 01:21.50 | maher | SerajewelKS: probably hw - just buy a new drive |
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| 01:22.02 | abrotman | mwilson: http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/ |
| 01:22.12 | SerajewelKS | maher, it's not that simple.. he's a composer and all his music is/was on this drive |
| 01:22.29 | mwilson | http://members.cox.net/msw/gtk-file-dialog-old.png |
| 01:22.31 | FieldySnuts | so the data was important, and _not backed up_, is this right? |
| 01:22.39 | mwilson | GTK 2.4 vs 2.6 |
| 01:22.42 | maher | SerajewelKS: if you don't make backups you become very unhappy when your hd fails |
| 01:22.46 | SerajewelKS | FieldySnuts, that's the short of it, unfortunately |
| 01:22.52 | SerajewelKS | maher, yeah, tell me about it |
| 01:22.57 | abrotman | mwilson: i find the first worse .. but it's up to the user i suppose |
| 01:23.02 | SerajewelKS | i'm just hoping i can give him some hope |
| 01:23.28 | abrotman | wtf is memo post mode |
| 01:23.42 | mwilson | abrotman: The first IS worse. It's the new one. The second one is the older, usable one. |
| 01:23.45 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: Your friend is a fool. Sorry. |
| 01:23.49 | maher | SerajewelKS: can you mount the hd? |
| 01:24.00 | SerajewelKS | maher, i can't even `fdisk -l` |
| 01:24.07 | SerajewelKS | dmesg spits out some interesting errors |
| 01:24.10 | FieldySnuts | SerajewelKS: check the obvious. cables, etc. |
| 01:24.16 | mwilson | Oh, and I've seen the Gnome 2.12 preview. Not impressed at all. |
| 01:24.21 | SerajewelKS | FieldySnuts, it was just moved from his box to mine, so the cables are plugged in |
| 01:24.28 | maher | SerajewelKS: give us a sample error |
| 01:24.28 | abrotman | mwilson: i meant the first time-wise .. the 2.4 one |
| 01:24.36 | richb | SerajewelKS: Are you trying to boot from it? |
| 01:24.37 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: Is the disk making any kind of sound? |
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| 01:24.55 | black_Nightmare | just wondering but any of you know about adaptec scsi cards? (more of hardware Q than the distro heh) |
| 01:25.13 | SerajewelKS | maher, hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } [\n] hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } [\n] ide: failed opcode was: 0xb0 |
| 01:25.21 | SerajewelKS | richb, no, ke6isf, no |
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| 01:25.27 | maher | SerajewelKS: the drive is probably dead |
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| 01:25.42 | SerajewelKS | maher, that's what i was afraid of |
| 01:25.56 | mwilson | This one always makes me laugh... "... Gnome's design goals, offering more useful error messages...". Gnome wouldn't know what a useful error message was if you hit Havoc over the head with a rock. |
| 01:25.57 | sophacles | hi all i just did a apt-get upgrade -t testing . now my mouse doesnt want to work in X. anyone able to help here? |
| 01:25.58 | SerajewelKS | the drive sounds fine and feels fine.. like both my drives |
| 01:26.00 | femtoid | Ok, good, it's just dead channels, or being ignored, not a dead client :) |
| 01:26.15 | maher | SerajewelKS: if you have lots of monet you could send it to the data recovery specialists |
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| 01:26.23 | SerajewelKS | maher, well umm... we don't |
| 01:26.25 | maher | SerajewelKS: s/monet/money/ |
| 01:26.28 | abrotman | mwilson: ERROR: Ow! |
| 01:26.31 | richb | mwilson: Well I am sure they are trying, not like you have to use it:) |
| 01:26.32 | SerajewelKS | how much are we talking here? |
| 01:26.33 | FieldySnuts | SerajewelKS: if the data is valuable enough... maher just covered it |
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| 01:26.42 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: Well, you could wave a dead chicken over it... |
| 01:26.43 | femtoid | anyone know of a reason why touching a file over a samba connection (debian -> red hat ent.) could take exactly 30 second if the file exists, and exactly 60 if it doesn't? |
| 01:26.53 | FieldySnuts | SerajewelKS: several hundred at the low end, it can quicly pass us$1000 |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you're talking a large chunk of money .. and there's no guarantee .. and you pay up front |
| 01:27.03 | maher | SerajewelKS: it could be some weird bad hw / kernel interaction so maybe try it in some other hw just in case |
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| 01:27.20 | jcarr | heh |
| 01:27.22 | jcarr | tech9iner, |
| 01:27.23 | SerajewelKS | maher, fails to boot XP on his box, fails to read on mine |
| 01:27.29 | jcarr | tech9 is good |
| 01:27.29 | thingfish | you'll need some onions, mushrooms, and noodles to go with that chicken. |
| 01:27.35 | FieldySnuts | and badgers!! |
| 01:27.39 | FieldySnuts | how could you forget them :( |
| 01:27.42 | SerajewelKS | maher, his BIOS does into net-boot after trying the drive |
| 01:27.43 | abrotman | snake? |
| 01:27.50 | femtoid | can anyone see what I am typing? |
| 01:27.54 | mwilson | Oh, I missed this before... Gnome now thinks it should be managing parts of the system not related to itself, like your MTA, Samba, eth. |
| 01:27.55 | jcarr | I have $.10 to last me till Friday |
| 01:27.57 | jcarr | :( |
| 01:28.00 | ke6isf | femtoid: Yes. |
| 01:28.03 | thingfish | femtoid: no, try typing harder. |
| 01:28.09 | femtoid | \Thanks :) |
| 01:28.13 | femtoid | Ok thingfish: will do |
| 01:28.18 | ke6isf | femtoid: I'm having a very hard time hearing you, however. |
| 01:28.27 | maher | SerajewelKS: hd just die every now and then |
| 01:28.29 | FieldySnuts | SerajewelKS: well hopefully it's just the electronics on the disk that whent fucko, in that case a data recovery company could probably do a good job with it. but they are the professionals, even if you don't think you can afford it, i would investigate that option anyway |
| 01:28.30 | femtoid | HOW ABOUT NOW? ;) |
| 01:28.39 | FieldySnuts | ~insult femtoid |
| 01:28.43 | femtoid | haha |
| 01:28.49 | black_Nightmare | hm noone? |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: how much would you pay to see a real life DD badgerbadger act |
| 01:28.57 | femtoid | This samba problem is killing me! |
| 01:29.02 | FieldySnuts | DD? |
| 01:29.06 | ke6isf | femtoid: Have you tried on #samba ? |
| 01:29.10 | femtoid | .. . ... . ... . ... . .. |
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| 01:29.22 | femtoid | ke6isf: aparently, my volume problems are much worse there |
| 01:29.26 | FieldySnuts | femtoid: about the best place for samba help is the samba-users mailing list, which you can find info on at sambas web pages |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: debian develper .. they could make it while they are at a debconf ... |
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| 01:29.51 | femtoid | FieldySnuts: I apprecate that - unfortunatly, if I don't get this solved RealSoonNow, I'm in deep poop |
| 01:30.23 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: that's a really sick idea. |
| 01:30.31 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: but it would be funny :) |
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| 01:32.21 | femtoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.32 | ke6isf | femtoid: You're on a deadline? =O.o= |
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| 01:32.55 | femtoid | ke6isf: that is an understatement |
| 01:33.35 | ke6isf | femtoid: Well, not being at all familiar with samba, a question - is there a firewall between you and the remote box? |
| 01:34.05 | femtoid | ke6isf: no should be straigt... |
| 01:34.12 | richb | femtoid: Maybe check the logfiles too..see if anything looks odd |
| 01:34.28 | ke6isf | femtoid: OK, is touch(1) the only thing this happens with, or is it any file operation? |
| 01:34.41 | femtoid | richb: that's a weird thing too, I keep ratchting up the log level, and its not giving me any more info. |
| 01:34.52 | femtoid | ke6isf: viming a file takes a while, but not sure exactally how long |
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| 01:35.53 | femtoid | the sytem clocks are off a good amount (4 minutes or so), not sure if that would do anything, but I have NO idea how to sync a RHEL server with an ntp server - /etc/init.d/ntpdate start doesn't work ;) |
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| 01:36.12 | ke6isf | femtoid: ntpdate is not a daemon. |
| 01:36.13 | abrotman | femtoid: sync them |
| 01:36.22 | abrotman | femtoid: why doesn't it work ? |
| 01:36.33 | femtoid | ke6isf: that is what I use on our debian servers to set teh clock |
| 01:36.34 | ke6isf | !rhel |
| 01:36.39 | femtoid | abrotman: b/c its not there ;) |
| 01:37.06 | ke6isf | femtoid: ... =O.o= wonder if your init file is just calling ntpd then. |
| 01:37.17 | abrotman | femtoid: use ntpdate |
| 01:37.18 | femtoid | ntpd isn't runing |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | femtoid: you don't need ntpd |
| 01:37.29 | abrotman | femtoid: use pool.ntp.org |
| 01:37.37 | jebba | femtoid, you can kill ntpd, and run `ntpdate pool.ntp.org` |
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| 01:37.52 | femtoid | Nice! |
| 01:37.54 | femtoid | thanks |
| 01:38.19 | thingfish | rhel is like, what the city of munich *didn't* choose instead of Debian. |
| 01:38.30 | abrotman | who would ever choose RHEL |
| 01:38.42 | femtoid | This vendor we're working with :( our new POS system |
| 01:38.47 | femtoid | touching still takes 30s... |
| 01:38.53 | thingfish | people not taking their medication, probably. |
| 01:38.55 | abrotman | femtoid: check the times on both |
| 01:39.05 | abrotman | femtoid: oh wait .. internal stuff ? |
| 01:39.17 | femtoid | RHEL is light years better then the SCOUnix system our OLD pos system runs on - AND that system was runing an emulator for ALPHAUNIX! ug |
| 01:39.26 | femtoid | all internal network stuff |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | femtoid: DUH! .. SCO sucks .. bad |
| 01:39.31 | femtoid | Real bad |
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| 01:39.40 | abrotman | femtoid: any kind of reverse dns working ? |
| 01:40.02 | abrotman | femtoid: some services don't take well to not being able to find a host by IP or vice versa |
| 01:40.12 | femtoid | lets put dns this way - they had Namserver 127.0.0.1 in reslov.conf for security :) |
| 01:40.21 | abrotman | smart dumbfucks |
| 01:40.36 | femtoid | I think its *really* strange that touch is taking 30/60 EXACTLY |
| 01:40.50 | abrotman | femtoid: it could be the time out for an NS lookup |
| 01:40.50 | narg | Whee... memory leak of Doom. After leaving my box on for 2 weeks, a memory leak snuck up on my 1 gig of ram, and crashed me. |
| 01:40.50 | narg | heh |
| 01:40.55 | femtoid | If they wanted security, they should have cleared /etc/passwd |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. ignore me ... |
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| 01:41.17 | femtoid | abrotman: Sorry, didn't see your last msg |
| 01:41.17 | mwilson | Having now tried the Clearlooks engine, I have to ask how people can voluntarily use it. |
| 01:41.30 | abrotman | so try fixing it |
| 01:41.33 | femtoid | how? |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | the debian machine has static IP ? |
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| 01:41.54 | abrotman | and does the RH box have a dns entry ? |
| 01:41.55 | femtoid | they both have staic, non-routable |
| 01:42.09 | abrotman | femtoid: put an entry for each in the other's /etc/hosts file |
| 01:42.14 | femtoid | Oh, cool idea |
| 01:42.30 | mwilson | That has *got* to be the ugliest d*mn thing there ever was. |
| 01:42.35 | abrotman | what is ? |
| 01:42.40 | ke6isf | abrotman: You're right, I didn't think about ns. |
| 01:42.50 | abrotman | ke6isf: it happens a lot |
| 01:43.03 | richb | mwilson: I would stop using gnome, it seems to annoy you:P |
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| 01:43.08 | ke6isf | abrotman: *looks at his own nameserver* You'd think I'd know. =^^= |
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| 01:43.20 | mwilson | I noticed there was a gtk2-engines-clearlooks package... I installed it to take a look at what that theme is. I find it hard to believe that people voluntarily use it. |
| 01:43.32 | mwilson | richb: I don't use Gnome, I never have. |
| 01:43.50 | abrotman | mwilson: apparently they're making changes for 2.12 |
| 01:44.00 | richb | mwilson: IIRC thats the default theme in 2.12? |
| 01:44.04 | mwilson | abrotman: Supposedly Clearlooks *is* the change for 2.12 |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | mwilson: i meant they are changing clearlooks before 2.12 is released |
| 01:44.22 | ke6isf | - |
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| 01:44.29 | mwilson | ke6isf: What KDE? |
| 01:44.35 | |--linx--| | whats up all.... i got some relatively "newbie" questions about installing a new kernel... her'es the deal hopefully i can get it resolved... |
| 01:44.38 | asg | ke6isf: mwilson uses openbox (at least last time we talked about such things) |
| 01:44.38 | richb | The ubuntu gnome theme is oki-ish |
| 01:44.42 | ke6isf | mwilson: ...sorry, for some reason, I thought you used kde. |
| 01:44.44 | mwilson | ke6isf: There's KDE installed on my box somewhere? |
| 01:44.47 | ke6isf | OK, fine, reverse it. =^_^= |
| 01:44.51 | pimpster | lol i tried ubuntu |
| 01:44.54 | pimpster | i hate it |
| 01:45.01 | mwilson | richb: Not hardly. Ubuntu UI designers take lessons from KDE. |
| 01:45.06 | pimpster | mandrake was the first one i use |
| 01:45.11 | pimpster | i like mandrake |
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| 01:45.22 | thingfish | <choke> |
| 01:45.25 | femtoid | Ok, I put the hosts in, and still same thing :( |
| 01:45.28 | ke6isf | |--linx--|: Feel free to just ask. |
| 01:45.30 | mwilson | Ubuntu's default theme is enough to make you ill. |
| 01:45.41 | pimpster | ya its all brown |
| 01:45.43 | abrotman | |--linx--|: change the annoying nick .. then ask |
| 01:45.45 | |--linx--| | i downloaded the latest 2.6 kernel. used make-kpkg, and after dpkg, when I try to boot, I get "unable to mount root fs" |
| 01:45.47 | ke6isf | pimpster: I left Mandribble for Debian. You figure it out. |
| 01:45.47 | richb | mwilson: I kind of liked it, shame about the OS though:P |
| 01:45.48 | pimpster | and don't got much themes |
| 01:45.53 | |--linx--| | roger, sorry |
| 01:46.06 | pimpster | Mandribble? |
| 01:46.08 | mwilson | Of course, WauWau's answer to why Gnome's default theme was so ugly was that they didn't expect anyone to use it anyway, so why put any effort into it. |
| 01:46.12 | abrotman | wtf was that |
| 01:46.12 | ke6isf | Wonder what was wrong with /nick. |
| 01:46.22 | ke6isf | pimpster: My own nickname for Mandreck's new name. |
| 01:46.34 | pimpster | oh lol i c |
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| 01:46.39 | richb | ke6isf: ignorance possibly:P |
| 01:46.46 | abrotman | linx_: better :) |
| 01:46.50 | ke6isf | richb: Evidently. |
| 01:46.52 | abrotman | linx_: why are you building a kernel ? |
| 01:46.58 | linx_ | sorry... ;) |
| 01:47.01 | ke6isf | linx_: What version are you using? |
| 01:47.07 | pimpster | so wat type of linux do yall use? |
| 01:47.08 | ke6isf | linx_: Debian, that is. |
| 01:47.09 | pimpster | the most |
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| 01:47.12 | linx_ | i need SMP, and the NVidia drivers |
| 01:47.20 | linx_ | I use the stock 3.1 sarge |
| 01:47.21 | abrotman | pimpster: what channel are you in? |
| 01:47.28 | ke6isf | pimpster: Um, Linux? What's that? We use OS/2 here. |
| 01:47.30 | asg | linx_: install a -smp kernel image, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 01:47.33 | abrotman | linx_: what cpu ? |
| 01:47.36 | RedDrake | ciao! |
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| 01:47.46 | linx_ | P4 3.2 HT |
| 01:47.47 | thingfish | well, it's a little-known secret, pimpster, but most people in #debian use suse. |
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| 01:47.52 | pimpster | i'm in a linux channel |
| 01:47.56 | Younes | hello |
| 01:47.57 | abrotman | linx_: apt-get install kernel-image-686-smp |
| 01:47.59 | abrotman | err |
| 01:48.00 | abrotman | shit |
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| 01:48.02 | msg43 | hi |
| 01:48.05 | abrotman | linx_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 01:48.12 | ke6isf | pimpster: No, you're in the "debian" channel. Thus the name #debian . |
| 01:48.14 | abrotman | linx_: then .. when that's done .. come back |
| 01:48.16 | linx_ | thx ... what about the nvidia drivers? |
| 01:48.21 | litage | what permissions should /etc/shutdown.allow have? |
| 01:48.21 | pimpster | well duh |
| 01:48.22 | msg43 | I would like to install debian on a i586 laptop which has only 32MB of ram how does the install work? |
| 01:48.26 | asg | linx_: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 01:48.26 | pimpster | pretty much the same |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | linx_: when that gets done .. come back . we'll tell you how to do the nvidia stuff |
| 01:48.31 | thingfish | msg43: barely |
| 01:48.41 | thingfish | if even that. |
| 01:48.42 | richb | http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html is a kernel howto, if you are intent on compiling your own |
| 01:48.43 | msg43 | thingfish, would it install xorg by default? |
| 01:48.44 | linx_ | cool thanks guys... |
| 01:48.44 | ke6isf | pimpster: That's like saying kosher beef is the same as all other beef. |
| 01:48.50 | Younes | i have a question... is there a sh command line to crypt and decrypt password ? |
| 01:48.54 | thingfish | msg43: not by a long shot. |
| 01:48.59 | ke6isf | pimpster: Or that trout is the same as all other fish. |
| 01:49.04 | abrotman | Younes: man crypt |
| 01:49.06 | pimpster | LMAO |
| 01:49.09 | linx_ | brb... :) |
| 01:49.13 | abrotman | Younes: not command line .. but C is easy :) |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | !fish ke6isf |
| 01:49.32 | msg43 | thingfish, ok I use archlinux as my main distro but its i686 optimized :( |
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| 01:49.41 | pimpster | thanks for that abrotman |
| 01:49.44 | pimpster | he needed that |
| 01:49.45 | ke6isf | QED, |
| 01:49.45 | thingfish | catfish make better slapping fish; they have spikey fins. |
| 01:49.54 | abrotman | !info libc6-i686 sarge |
| 01:50.02 | daedalus_ | thingfish: I do not fear your catfish |
| 01:50.04 | Younes | yes it is but i need it in sh script ;) |
| 01:50.08 | msg43 | Is this what I need? debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 01:50.19 | abrotman | daedalus_: how about my fox that resides in the box ? |
| 01:50.22 | pimpster | just the first binary right? |
| 01:50.28 | mwilson | I'd have to spend forever getting at least the default colors set so it didn't blind me. |
| 01:50.29 | abrotman | msg43: you have broadband ? |
| 01:50.33 | pimpster | ya i'm wondering which ones i need too get too |
| 01:50.36 | femtoid | any other ideas about samba |
| 01:50.42 | abrotman | femtoid: no workie ? |
| 01:50.42 | Kain | i need help configurin my adsl, tryed pppoeconf but still getting erros could anyone assist? |
| 01:50.43 | mwilson | But it's obvious where Ubuntu is getting the browns from. |
| 01:50.46 | msg43 | abrotman, I can't get on the internet with this old laptop |
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| 01:50.52 | FieldySnuts | "browns"? |
| 01:50.54 | abrotman | msg43: why not ? |
| 01:50.59 | femtoid | abrotman: no, the hosts didn't help (that was the last piece of advice correct?) |
| 01:51.02 | daedalus_ | abrotman: A fox in the box, on the other hand, will have to deal with my green eggs and ham |
| 01:51.03 | pimpster | its like the worse version of linux i have found |
| 01:51.06 | sophacles | hi all. can anyone help me with my mouse not working in X? it is a generic ps/2 3 button mouse, and it worked fine before i put the latest XFree from testing on my box, but now it isnt working. same config file i was using before. i also upgraded the kernel to 2.6.11. any ideas? |
| 01:51.06 | abrotman | femtoid: that i saw yes |
| 01:51.08 | thingfish | from where, mwilson? fine corinthian leathers? |
| 01:51.12 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: yeah, Clearlooks has this dirty brown cast to all of its windows. |
| 01:51.13 | femtoid | oh |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | daedalus_: but the fox .. he likes to eat sox ? |
| 01:51.36 | asg | sophacles: what kernel were you using before? |
| 01:51.39 | abrotman | mwilson: they're "changing it to blue" or some crap |
| 01:51.43 | pimpster | so which disks do i need too get for debian anyone and can i find some screenshots? |
| 01:51.45 | sophacles | 2.6.8 |
| 01:51.48 | pimpster | anyone? |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | !d-i pimpster |
| 01:51.51 | dpkg | pimpster, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:51.58 | msg43 | abrotman, no ethernet port |
| 01:52.03 | richb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.05 | msg43 | only a modem |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | msg43: no pcmcia slot ? |
| 01:52.19 | sophacles | richb there is a /dev/psaux yes. |
| 01:52.26 | asg | sophacles: well, verify you have the requisite modules loaded (they should be but check nontheless. /msg dpkg 2.6.mouse) |
| 01:52.31 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice |
| 01:52.35 | mwilson | abrotman: I have to admit, the screenshots in the Prerelease Tour and what the engine installs don't have a whole lot of relationship to each other color-wise. |
| 01:52.36 | msg43 | abolo, I think there a pcmia slot but I don' thave a ethernet card |
| 01:52.52 | pimpster | um ya |
| 01:52.58 | pimpster | but i wanna see what debiean |
| 01:53.00 | pimpster | looks like |
| 01:53.07 | pimpster | some screenshots of it would help |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | mwilson: well .. i don't know how much you read .. seems davey added patches that won't be in 2.12 |
| 01:53.19 | asg | pimpster: stop being a moron. It looks like what you want it to be. |
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| 01:53.23 | richb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.26 | liable | pimpster: it looks like whatever you make it look like |
| 01:53.27 | asg | pimpster: there is no default |
| 01:53.37 | daedalus_ | abrotman: I will have to then give your fox some hard knox for eating sox in a box. |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | daedalus_: i'd like to tell you .. i'd like a bagel with lox |
| 01:53.53 | mwilson | abrotman: I read all sorts of things, but no, I don't waste my time with Gnome mailing lists. Is there a notation about patches on this page that I missed? |
| 01:54.03 | abrotman | mwilson: no .. it was on tha tpage |
| 01:54.10 | pimpster | why does everyone answer back? |
| 01:54.14 | pimpster | when i'm talking too one person |
| 01:54.20 | asg | pimpster: because you addressed the channel |
| 01:54.24 | pimpster | and i don't need smart ass coment |
| 01:54.24 | mwilson | abrotman: The word "patch" does not appear on that page. |
| 01:54.28 | abrotman | mwilson: "These extensions are not officially part of the GNOME Desktop, but some of them may end up as default functionality in the future." etc |
| 01:54.33 | daedalus_ | abrotman: *laughs* Not a good way to get rid of the pox. |
| 01:54.36 | thingfish | pimpster: do you know what an 'easy target' is? |
| 01:54.41 | sophacles | abrotman, was that /dev/input/mice thing for me about my mouse issue? |
| 01:54.48 | asg | pimpster: if you want to address a person, preface what you say with their name. |
| 01:54.49 | femtoid | is there another samba channel? #samba has 73 people sleeping |
| 01:54.51 | pimpster | dude how old u think i am? |
| 01:54.55 | sophacles | abrotman, also have that in /dev |
| 01:54.59 | Kain | pppoeconfig error cannot get debian package could anyone assit me? |
| 01:54.59 | abrotman | sophacles: try it |
| 01:55.01 | pimpster | of course |
| 01:55.08 | richb | pimpster: six or seven?:P |
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| 01:55.15 | ke6isf | pimpster: Who cares? You're making yourself wide open. |
| 01:55.15 | thingfish | hehe richb |
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| 01:55.19 | abrotman | mwilson: i'm pretty sure ross burton just made the nautilus patch that thumbnails in list view the other day |
| 01:55.21 | mwilson | abrotman: That's referring to some collection of stupidities for Nautilus. |
| 01:55.24 | pimpster | lol thats u |
| 01:55.26 | abrotman | mwilson: i know |
| 01:55.27 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:55.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:55.37 | asg | femtoid: have you read Using Samba (www.oreilly.com/openbook)? If not, it may help solve whatever problem you are having while oz is in dreamland. |
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| 01:56.00 | abrotman | daedalus_: we should stop .. before i start pelting you with rocks |
| 01:56.00 | linx_ | alright, im back... after that - apt-get install kernel-image--smp - i got a bunch of module errors, and unable to open dev/console, file not found... |
| 01:56.05 | femtoid | asg: no, thanks for that link, looking now |
| 01:56.05 | aeronadix | I am trying to use cdrdao and I am getting error: cannot retrieve drive capabilities mode page. Any know what to do? |
| 01:56.14 | mwilson | abrotman: If I was required to use Nautilus for file management, I'd remove X and stay with just the console. |
| 01:56.20 | abrotman | mwilson: heh |
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| 01:56.41 | Yevgeniy | is there a way to install java-package in sarge? |
| 01:56.46 | Yevgeniy | it's unstable.. |
| 01:56.49 | asg | Yevgeniy: /msg dpkg install java |
| 01:57.09 | Yevgeniy | asg the info is obsolete I think |
| 01:57.12 | pimpster | nvm i found wat it looks like |
| 01:57.15 | mwilson | Gods nautilus is ugly. |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:57.20 | daedalus_ | abrotman: Aight. It was a good round though... |
| 01:57.22 | pimpster | u gave me a lot o help on that one |
| 01:57.24 | pimpster | ... not |
| 01:57.27 | asg | mwilson: was it ever *not* ugly? |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | daedalus_: it was .. |
| 01:57.29 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:57.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | !screenshots |
| 01:57.38 | ke6isf | pimpster: Glad to assist. |
| 01:57.39 | abrotman | !screenshot |
| 01:57.39 | dpkg | [screenshot] 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:57.47 | asg | Yevgeniy: it's there, it's in contrib |
| 01:57.52 | liable | linx_: I dont really know about h/t, but did you enable it in bios? |
| 01:58.06 | aeronadix | !screenshots |
| 01:58.08 | linx_ | yeah, HT is working... |
| 01:58.11 | thingfish | clearlooks makes it not ugly anymore! |
| 01:58.16 | mwilson | asg: I imagine not. |
| 01:58.29 | mwilson | thingfish: No, clearlooks makes it worse. |
| 01:58.32 | linx_ | im a developer, so I like to have the source... |
| 01:58.45 | abrotman | developer of what ? |
| 01:59.01 | linx_ | whenever I downloaded the kernel source and tried to comile the nvidia kernel, it said uname -r didn't match kernel source |
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| 01:59.23 | linx_ | i also like to trim my kernels ... ;) |
| 01:59.29 | asg | Yevgeniy: if you are still having problems, /msg dpkg java-package howto |
| 01:59.42 | mwilson | Oh, yippee... they're pushing HAL again. |
| 02:00.20 | richb | linx_: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 02:00.22 | linx_ | i didnt seem to have any trouble ~month ago... when I got the stable sarge release, i suddenly had trouble with my kerneles... |
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| 02:00.35 | abrotman | richb: /msg dpkg kp |
| 02:00.39 | abrotman | !tell linx_ about kp |
| 02:00.45 | abrotman | !tell linx_ about nvidia one liner |
| 02:00.53 | richb | abrotman: im obselete >< |
| 02:00.53 | linx_ | yeah i use kernel-package |
| 02:00.59 | abrotman | richb: it happens |
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| 02:01.12 | abrotman | wtf is memo post mode .. stupid band |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | bank |
| 02:01.20 | Kain | i need help configuring eth0 please help |
| 02:01.26 | asg | Kain: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:01.29 | thingfish | oh man, memo post mode is a way they rip you off. |
| 02:01.31 | maher | Kain: try etherconf |
| 02:01.31 | t0urneviiiz | Kain: whats up? |
| 02:01.44 | abrotman | thingfish: i can't do my bills! |
| 02:01.53 | asg | Kain: also see the networking info in our wiki (/topic) |
| 02:01.55 | thingfish | banks are evil, man. |
| 02:01.57 | Kain | ok i got the NETINSTALL |
| 02:02.01 | linx_ | thanks for the help |
| 02:02.04 | maher | abrotman: send me all your money - i will look after it. You can keep the bills... |
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| 02:02.18 | Kain | and i cannot get the package from internet cause it doesnt configure my adsl |
| 02:02.25 | abrotman | maher: mailing change sucks :) |
| 02:02.42 | linx_ | im not sure why my kernel packages (make-kpkg) wont work... never the less, i will keep diggin and use contrib, etc. for nvidia for now... ;) |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | !tell linx_ about nvidia one liner |
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| 02:03.20 | linx_ | that is one long one liner... ;) |
| 02:03.22 | maher | Kain: do you have a usb adsl modem? |
| 02:03.24 | asg | linx_: they probably don't work because you forgot to enable an essential component or compiled an initrd but forgot to tell your bootloader about it. |
| 02:04.22 | Yevgeniy | I can't install java-package , it won't let me |
| 02:04.30 | linx_ | i thought of the initrd, so i added that to the make-kpkg options... dpkg auto found them, and I even checked grubs menu.list just to be sure |
| 02:04.33 | asg | Yevgeniy: it? what error does 'it' give? |
| 02:04.36 | Kain | maher, nope i got eth |
| 02:04.53 | maher | Kain: the netinstall should find that then |
| 02:04.58 | Yevgeniy | asg: depends ion debhelp, but is not going to be installed |
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| 02:05.22 | asg | Yevgeniy: apt-get install debhelper, what error does it give? |
| 02:05.25 | mwilson | Thundebird *really* needs to get with the program. |
| 02:05.26 | linx_ | grub says, cannot mount root fs, but the debian stock kernel has the exact same grub entries |
| 02:05.28 | Kain | maher, yes it finds it and try to use it but it get replies proble3ms |
| 02:05.31 | jebba | any good ideas on installing to a system with >2TB disk? I'm thinking installing everything to a single small / partition, booting with a custom kernel, then repartitioning with parted. Is there a better way? |
| 02:05.56 | asg | linx_: did you compile the fs for your root filesystem statically in the kernel? |
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| 02:06.25 | Yevgeniy | debhelper: Depends: html2text but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:06.26 | linx_ | yeah, I made ext2 and ext3 static, and enabled cram |
| 02:06.38 | ice_1963 | + |
| 02:06.41 | asg | - |
| 02:06.43 | Yevgeniy | Depends: debconf-utils (>= 1.1.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:06.53 | linx_ | i probably didnt meed ext2 but what the heck :) |
| 02:07.41 | asg | Yevgeniy: what debian are you running? what have you done to your sources? |
| 02:07.42 | linx_ | dpkg found my kernel, the initrd, and added it to grubs menu.list (which is the same as my stock kernel) |
| 02:07.43 | dpkg | linx_: what are you talking about? |
| 02:07.49 | elmagozizou | Hi...I just install the first debian cd on my other computer...I want to get all the rest of the packages but I have to set up the internet with usb modem...I don know how to do it... |
| 02:08.04 | linx_ | recompiling kernel |
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| 02:08.30 | ice_1963 | well i jest installed xfce4 on my p 2 266 :0) |
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| 02:08.52 | htedrom | hey all |
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| 02:09.02 | htedrom | i'm trying to install a ATI binary on debian 2.4 |
| 02:09.08 | htedrom | but it's not working....can anyone help me out? |
| 02:09.13 | blitx | hey htedrom, seems like I know you |
| 02:09.16 | linx_ | i got your one liner dpkg... thanks |
| 02:09.17 | rxc | hi... at bootup debian tries to detect scsi0 and scsi1.. but i have no device on scsi1 which causes the system to hang for like 10 sec.. can i disable the detection for scsi1? |
| 02:09.24 | htedrom | hah hey blitx |
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| 02:09.30 | htedrom | so yea...anyone have any ideas? |
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| 02:09.37 | Yevgeniy | asg: sarge and a custom kernel |
| 02:09.55 | asg | Yevgeniy: just sarge or sarge with some stuff from unstable? |
| 02:10.07 | Yevgeniy | asg: backport for xorg |
| 02:10.46 | blitx | is 3.1 sarge or woody? |
| 02:10.56 | linx_ | sarge |
| 02:10.56 | FieldySnuts | yes. |
| 02:10.57 | asg | blitx: sarge |
| 02:11.23 | asg | Yevgeniy: well, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade, and try again. |
| 02:11.41 | femtoid | how is it possible that even google have never heard of my 30/60 problem! |
| 02:11.43 | femtoid | weiird |
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| 02:11.48 | Rangitoto | I want Debian to be dual bootable with DOS. The sarge installer failed to notice that DOS was already installed. Should I install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record? |
| 02:12.18 | jason^ | dos? |
| 02:12.23 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 02:12.23 | ke6isf | !dos |
| 02:12.23 | dpkg | i heard dos is ;ask me about freedos.... C:DOS C:DOS RUN - RUN DOS RUN. Descent Operating System. DOOM Operating System. Disk Operating System, 'cause it supports those new-fangled disk thingies best operating system from microsoft ! |
| 02:12.23 | htedrom | Rangitoto: DOS? |
| 02:12.24 | jason^ | like msdos 6.22? |
| 02:12.32 | asg | jason^: or 4.11 |
| 02:12.33 | Yevgeniy | asg:thanks. |
| 02:12.34 | DoppelGanger | my thoughts exactly |
| 02:12.46 | asg | Rangitoto: did you ever consider using dosemu? |
| 02:12.46 | jason^ | dos 4.11? hrm |
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| 02:13.09 | asg | jason^: maybe it was 4.01 (last DOS I used) |
| 02:13.11 | Yevgeniy | I was sure I did that in the morning... |
| 02:13.12 | njaard | has anyone tried here to compile (kde's) arts on sid? |
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| 02:13.14 | Rangitoto | DOS 6.2 I don't know what dosemu is. |
| 02:13.17 | njaard | particularly with gcc4 |
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| 02:13.23 | ke6isf | !dosemu |
| 02:13.23 | dpkg | i heard dosemu is a DOS emulator for Linux. If you X, graphical DOS programs will be much easier to run than if you set up dosemu to do graphics at the console. Dosemu is kind of buggy and doesn't play games well |
| 02:13.52 | jason^ | Rangitoto: what do you need dos for? |
| 02:14.01 | mwilson | You know, whenever I do this, I always end up in this whole "let's compare all the GUI mail clients and see how messed up they are" thing. Evocrap *still* can't print properly? You'd think they'd finally get that right, but there's still zero control over the printing process. No font control, no page control, no nothing. |
| 02:14.02 | asg | jason^: I'd hope it was for some legacy application |
| 02:14.14 | mwilson | Hm, jcarr is gone. |
| 02:14.18 | Rangitoto | Ancient software |
| 02:14.33 | ke6isf | Rangitoto: It might work in dosemu. |
| 02:14.40 | jason^ | Rangitoto: it might work in dosemu |
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| 02:14.54 | ke6isf | jason^: Woah, deja vu. =^^= |
| 02:14.59 | njaard | oh well |
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| 02:15.03 | Kain | aaahh i cannot install my adsl modem to get package and pppoeconf i get an error that it cannot comunicate with my ISP please help me |
| 02:15.09 | jason^ | great minds think a like |
| 02:15.10 | Webby` | Hi |
| 02:15.17 | togusa | hello can someone help a debian noob |
| 02:15.17 | Webby` | Anyone here running linspire? |
| 02:15.23 | ke6isf | togusa: Sure. |
| 02:15.23 | asg | !tell togusa about ask |
| 02:15.32 | asg | Webby`: try #linspire |
| 02:15.33 | ke6isf | !linspire |
| 02:15.33 | dpkg | i heard linspire is a "newbie-friendly" proprietary distribution with some Debian roots, giving KDE and a restricted selection of old packages for $100. it does NOT run windows applications, nor run anyone or anything as root (try Ark Linux for run-as-root) |
| 02:15.39 | Webby` | Ok cool |
| 02:15.40 | Rangitoto | I would prefer not to use an emulator but, rather, have debian dual bootable with DOS. Is that possible? |
| 02:15.48 | ke6isf | !ask |
| 02:15.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:16.03 | mwilson | It can't remember the default printer, it can't remember the default paper tray, etc, etc, etc |
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| 02:16.20 | asg | Rangitoto: it's possible. Should be both with grub and lilo. |
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| 02:16.55 | togusa | im trying to load debian gui and ive installed everything but now all it shows is my username and and the ~$ how do i load the gui? |
| 02:16.59 | Rangitoto | Since the presence of DOS has not been detected, should I install GRU |
| 02:17.14 | ke6isf | togusa: What version of deb did you install, and what method? |
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| 02:17.24 | togusa | sarge 3.1 |
| 02:17.32 | Rangitoto | GRUB and reconfigure it or just not install GRUB at present? |
| 02:17.34 | tech9iner | Ciao 4 now ;] all.. tanx again for 'bean' here.. 2 days on sarge an allz well here! loadn it up on 2nd lappy.. ;] |
| 02:17.35 | togusa | method of installation u mean? |
| 02:17.43 | ke6isf | togusa: Yes, method of installation. |
| 02:17.46 | togusa | ive been buringin isos |
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| 02:18.06 | togusa | of debian and so far ive installed cd1 and cd 2 |
| 02:18.11 | ke6isf | togusa: OK, look in /etc/apt/sources.list, are there any FTP or web sites? |
| 02:18.29 | ke6isf | togusa: (please don't cat the file into the channel) |
| 02:18.29 | togusa | just a sec |
| 02:18.31 | tech9iner | togusa nonya my biz but ive had fine time installing via broadband and netinstall iso cdrom guv.. For Your Info ;] |
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| 02:18.49 | togusa | its on a seperate computer |
| 02:19.11 | liable | togusa: did you choose 'desktop environment' during install? or get the packages after the base install? |
| 02:19.36 | togusa | get the packages after the base install |
| 02:19.40 | ke6isf | OK, copying will be hard at best. |
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| 02:20.21 | zyg | i want to send mail by smarthost,but after configuration in base-config,it doesn't work.what else should i do? |
| 02:20.23 | abrotman | stpuid memo post mode |
| 02:20.32 | Rangitoto | I had a problem with my last message. Since DOS 6.2 was not detected, should I install GRUB and then configure it manually or should I just leave GRUB uninstalled for the moment? |
| 02:20.34 | abrotman | maybe ... look at the errors |
| 02:20.52 | nse | when I remove gdm apt-get want to remove gnome and gnome-desktop-envirionament too, why!? |
| 02:21.11 | ke6isf | nse: ...don't do that then, if you want to keep gnome. |
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| 02:21.28 | liable | togusa: did you install x-window-system? |
| 02:21.28 | togusa | ok how do i get into that directory ke6isf im windows dummy |
| 02:21.36 | ke6isf | togusa: You're logged in, right? |
| 02:21.41 | togusa | yeah |
| 02:21.45 | togusa | under my username |
| 02:21.54 | elmagozizou | Why I cant get to install the packages of the second debian cd? it doesnt do anythig... |
| 02:21.55 | ke6isf | OK, do 'su - root', and enter the root password. |
| 02:22.25 | ke6isf | togusa: I'm predicting something, so you will want to be root if I'm right. |
| 02:22.44 | nse | ke6isf: but i can't have the gnome desktop evirionament withou the gnome desktop manager? of course i can |
| 02:22.44 | togusa | said su athentication failure |
| 02:23.04 | ke6isf | togusa: That means that you entered the wrong password likely. |
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| 02:23.22 | elmagozizou | I need to setup my usb modem to get the rest of the packages...any help on that? |
| 02:23.39 | togusa | are there two sets of passwords i have to set? |
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| 02:23.48 | togusa | like one for user and one for root? |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | nse: they are metapackages |
| 02:23.56 | ke6isf | togusa: There is invariably a separate root password. |
| 02:24.00 | abrotman | nse: no cause for concern |
| 02:24.04 | Trace | Hello, Does any tool can help me to back MBR? |
| 02:24.09 | liable | elmagozizou: run apt-setup and put in the second cd if it asks. |
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| 02:24.25 | ke6isf | togusa: Usually it's not going to be the same as your basic user password. |
| 02:24.26 | mwilson | Trace: You need something more than dd? |
| 02:24.26 | togusa | wait ti worked now |
| 02:24.35 | femtoid | It looks like the samba issue is a authentication issue |
| 02:24.41 | Trace | mwilson, what do you mean? |
| 02:24.41 | togusa | now it says username;~# |
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| 02:25.11 | elmagozizou | liable, I all ready do that... |
| 02:25.16 | CLucas916 | what cd are the kde packages on? |
| 02:25.17 | ke6isf | togusa: Good. Do 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'. |
| 02:25.17 | mwilson | Trace: You need something more than dd to back up the MBR, assuming that's what you were actually trying to say? |
| 02:25.20 | femtoid | is change_to_root_user normal |
| 02:25.34 | ke6isf | togusa: If there are ftp or http listings in there, great. If not, no problem, there's a solution. |
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| 02:25.57 | nse | abrotman: So then if I don't want gdm, which package I need to ask to know the version of gnome I'm using? |
| 02:26.12 | CLucas916 | what cd are the kde packages on? |
| 02:26.24 | Trace | oh, i just want to backup mbr, because the day before yesterday, i destory my partition tables, i think partition tables are in MBR, so, back up MBR is a good idea. |
| 02:26.31 | asg | CLucas916: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 02:26.52 | redcliffe | hi - i've got sun's j2re software installed my debian system, but when I try to install packages that rely on java apt-get doesn't know about my jre installation - is there a way to make it think i've already got a jre installed? |
| 02:26.56 | abrotman | nse: have you actually looked at gnoem package? |
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| 02:27.00 | abrotman | !info gnome sid |
| 02:27.14 | redcliffe | so that it will still install the java dependant packages? |
| 02:27.16 | ke6isf | !tell redcliffe -about install java |
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| 02:27.23 | asg | redcliffe: /msg dpkg install java (or alternately, install equivs and read it's documentation) |
| 02:27.36 | asg | s/it's/its/ |
| 02:27.38 | redcliffe | ok thanks |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | oh .. ffs |
| 02:27.46 | abrotman | @info gnome sid |
| 02:27.46 | nse | abrotman: it's removed. it was removed by apt-get when i remove gdm |
| 02:27.52 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:27.55 | mwilson | Trace: Yes, so use dd. |
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| 02:28.07 | togusa | ok now it says deb cdrom: DEbian /Gnu linux and after that it says unstable contrib main |
| 02:28.18 | mwilson | abrotman: He can't understand that it's a meta-package. |
| 02:28.18 | Trace | thx, mwilson :-) |
| 02:28.25 | ke6isf | togusa: unstable?! You installed sid? |
| 02:28.29 | abrotman | !metapackage |
| 02:28.29 | dpkg | well, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 02:28.55 | togusa | and then at the bottom $debhttp://security.debian.org/ stable updates |
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| 02:29.20 | ke6isf | togusa: OK, but you're sure you installed sarge, right? |
| 02:29.38 | togusa | i just let the cd install it the one that said dos |
| 02:29.46 | togusa | was i supposed to choose desktop? |
| 02:29.46 | liable | ke6isf: it always says unstable for the cd iirc. |
| 02:29.56 | ke6isf | liable: OK, I didn't know that. |
| 02:29.56 | ofer0 | hey, i`ve been using ubuntu for alot of time now, and i want to switch to debian |
| 02:30.03 | ke6isf | togusa: OK, here's what you're going to do. |
| 02:30.05 | asg | ofer0: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 02:30.11 | ke6isf | togusa: First, at that prompt do 'apt-setup'. |
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| 02:30.23 | ke6isf | When it asks, pick an ftp mirror and select one that you think might be closest to you. |
| 02:30.30 | ke6isf | If it doesn't work, try it again. |
| 02:30.44 | ofer0 | is there something like minimal installation cd, that comes with kernel and apt, so i can build my system on it? |
| 02:30.47 | Trace | BTW, i want to ask a question, if i try to run dd on liveCD such as knoppix in order to restore my MBR, is it OK? |
| 02:30.49 | ofer0 | asg -> what do you mean? |
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| 02:31.02 | Trace | suppose i dd my mbr first. |
| 02:31.02 | redcliffe | i've already previously install the j2re - should i ensure to remove it before installing the jpkg created deb? |
| 02:31.04 | ke6isf | ofer0: netinst |
| 02:31.08 | togusa | umm that computer isnt connected to the internet |
| 02:31.08 | asg | ofer0: type '/msg dpkg d-i' in your irc client, our bot will tell you how to install debian |
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| 02:31.14 | ke6isf | togusa: Ah, thus the CDs then. |
| 02:31.20 | ofer0 | i know how to install debian |
| 02:31.24 | togusa | i just installed the cd roms |
| 02:31.36 | ofer0 | ke6isf, thanx :) |
| 02:31.48 | togusa | ive only installed cdrom 1 and 2 so far |
| 02:31.53 | liable | togusa: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 02:31.55 | ke6isf | togusa: The easiest way to do this though is to wire it in. Is there no way to connect it such as a hub or firewall or something? |
| 02:32.04 | jklama | which is the best tool for GUI development? 'best' means minimum amount of programming. |
| 02:32.17 | asg | jklama: Visual Basic on Windows |
| 02:32.17 | ke6isf | jklama: ed |
| 02:32.27 | redcliffe | ok cool thanks it worked |
| 02:32.28 | asg | !be ed |
| 02:32.28 | dpkg | ? |
| 02:32.28 | saboteur | hehe ed |
| 02:32.34 | togusa | umm the comp over ther doesnt have any network card or modem |
| 02:32.35 | jklama | i am talking about Debian GNU/Linux. |
| 02:32.37 | ke6isf | !ed |
| 02:32.38 | dpkg | somebody said ed was the standard editor! http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~smikes/emacs/ed.html, or http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Jul11.031731.9260@athena.mit.edu&output=gplain |
| 02:32.42 | ofer0 | what are the main differnces between ubuntu and debian ? |
| 02:32.50 | abrotman | jklama: you want an IDE ? |
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| 02:32.56 | ke6isf | ofer0: Well, for starters, ubuntu isn't debian. |
| 02:32.59 | geordie | Trace: do you mean is it ok to boot up knoppix and then run dd to restore your MBR? if so then yes |
| 02:33.08 | jklama | IDE would be a bonus. |
| 02:33.15 | abrotman | jklama: what kind of programming ? |
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| 02:33.34 | asg | jklama: what programming languages are you proficient in? |
| 02:33.45 | jklama | developing of GUI, creating icons, drag-and-drop them, etc. |
| 02:33.53 | Trace | yes, geordie. thanks very much!! |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | jklama: what languages do you know now ? |
| 02:33.58 | ofer0 | ke6isf, i never said it is. i just want to know what are the differnces. |
| 02:34.04 | jklama | i can prog in c and c++. |
| 02:34.26 | abrotman | jklama: anjuta, kdevelop, glade, uhm .. and gazpaucho |
| 02:34.29 | liable | togusa: you can install both kde and gnome from cd1 |
| 02:34.29 | asg | jklama: then look at either kdevelop (for kde type apps) or glade |
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| 02:34.41 | abrotman | asg: have you seen gazpaucho ? |
| 02:34.50 | ke6isf | togusa: You had to make this challenging, dintcha. =^^= liable posted instructions, follow those. |
| 02:34.53 | nse | would be a good idea to install xserver-xorg from sid in my etch desktop? |
| 02:35.00 | asg | abrotman: no |
| 02:35.07 | jklama | are they available as debian packages? |
| 02:35.10 | togusa | just a sec ill try it |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | jklama: yes |
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| 02:35.47 | asg | abrotman: is it non-free? or contrib? |
| 02:35.54 | jklama | why is gtk not mentioned? |
| 02:36.00 | ke6isf | togusa: Also, try aptitude. The interface is kinda funky, but everything you need should be in the help section. |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | asg: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ |
| 02:36.05 | asg | abrotman: oh |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | jklama: glade/gazpacho are gtk |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | jklama: anjuta is a general purppose c/c++ IDE |
| 02:36.26 | asg | jklama: you are welcome to use gtk if you wish. |
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| 02:37.11 | elmagozizou | Hi _How do I set up the second debian cd? I already do the apt-setup thing..It read the cd, but it doesnt seem to get the packages |
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| 02:37.13 | jklama | anjuta with glade a good combo? |
| 02:37.23 | liable | togusa: actually, to make it easy, run 'tasksel' and choose desktop (as root) |
| 02:37.28 | abrotman | jklama: if you want to do gnome/gtk development .. you might want to ask on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:37.31 | ke6isf | ofer0: The only thing I know about Ubuntu is that it was developed by some Welsh folk who wanted a newer Debian than Woody, and gave it their own flavor and marketing twist. |
| 02:37.32 | asg | abrotman: I always cringe when dev tools come with screenshots ;) |
| 02:37.43 | nse | I'm with some problems with keyboard layout configurations. Would it be a good idea to install xserver-xorg from sid in my etch desktop? |
| 02:37.45 | abrotman | asg: oh .. vim has screenshots |
| 02:37.47 | liable | elmagozizou: what happens? |
| 02:38.00 | ke6isf | ofer0: Fairly stable from what I hear, but my wife points out that it's not really suitable for server operations and had trouble with it herself on some older hardware. |
| 02:38.02 | togusa | i typed that one command apt-get install x-window-system |
| 02:38.09 | ke6isf | togusa: What happened? |
| 02:38.12 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 02:38.15 | jklama | i don't know what i specifically need now, that's why i am here, first. |
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| 02:38.25 | abrotman | asg: not just screenshots .. there areflash movies |
| 02:38.41 | togusa | and it says package x-window-system is not availible but is reffered to by another package |
| 02:38.49 | asg | abrotman: of vim? cripes! |
| 02:38.59 | elmagozizou | liable, it says scaning disk for index files and thats it...I tell me if I want to explore another cd... |
| 02:38.59 | ke6isf | togusa: Try 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86'. |
| 02:39.05 | togusa | and it says E: package x-window-system has no installing candidate |
| 02:39.10 | jklama | if i want GUI specifically for KDE, kdevelop alone would be suitable? |
| 02:39.12 | liable | togusa: run 'tasksel' |
| 02:39.21 | ke6isf | togusa: The E: thing is just an error. |
| 02:39.25 | abrotman | asg: gazpacho |
| 02:39.31 | asg | jklama: it should be; the folks in #debian-kde would know for sure. |
| 02:39.33 | liable | elmagozizou: yeah, and when you try and install a package, what happens? |
| 02:39.37 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | jklama: if you want to do gtk/gnome .. it's glade/gazpacho/anjuta afaik |
| 02:39.48 | abrotman | jklama: or vim in place of anjuta |
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| 02:39.59 | abrotman | asg: hve flash installed ? |
| 02:40.08 | Nurbs_ | x-window-system not available? sounds like broken sources |
| 02:40.09 | togusa | ok now what after tasksel? |
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| 02:40.12 | jklama | is gtk/gnome suitable for KDE? |
| 02:40.13 | abrotman | asg: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/videos/uieditor |
| 02:40.14 | asg | abrotman: no, I have no use for it personally. |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | jklama: no |
| 02:40.20 | elmagozizou | liable, I dont know how o try because I dont iven know what packages are in the cd.. |
| 02:40.22 | liable | togusa: choose deskop |
| 02:40.24 | abrotman | jklama: for kde .. use kdevelop |
| 02:40.37 | polm | How can I rip streaming audio, an ASF stream in particular, on my Debian system? |
| 02:40.48 | asg | polm: mplayer most likely (/msg dpkg mplayer) |
| 02:40.50 | liable | elmagozizou: when you try and install something from cd2, apt will tell you to put it in iirc |
| 02:41.12 | togusa | how do i choose the ok button i cant use the mouse |
| 02:41.20 | jklama | ok, narrowed down to kdevelop. is this a IDE for c/c++, or GUI libs or both? |
| 02:41.20 | asg | togusa: TAB |
| 02:41.20 | ke6isf | togusa: tab. |
| 02:41.36 | abrotman | jklama: i know more about gtk dev than KDE .. |
| 02:41.38 | liable | togusa: use tab key, arrows and spacebar |
| 02:41.48 | togusa | i cant select desktop how do i chose it with asterix next to it |
| 02:41.54 | asg | togusa: spacebar |
| 02:42.03 | abrotman | asterisk |
| 02:42.08 | asg | togusa: there should be instructions on how to do this |
| 02:42.18 | ke6isf | togusa: Spacebar selects, up arrow and down arrow navigates, TAB will move you to the notional buttons below. |
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| 02:42.25 | jklama | i have read up about gtk, but it is only suitable for Gnome, right? |
| 02:42.29 | elmagozizou | liable, see..I have my sistem instaled..but only with my first cd...so I do apt-setup and chek the cd and it do what i told you...what else do I do... |
| 02:42.31 | liable | elmagozizou: it doesnt put the cd onto your computer, it just lets apt know what packages are on it. |
| 02:42.37 | abrotman | jklama: you can run apps of both kinds in either |
| 02:42.42 | togusa | ok its installing |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | jklama: is this for work ? |
| 02:42.45 | asg | jklama: gnome was built with it, you don't have to have gnome, however, to write and use gtk apps |
| 02:43.04 | liable | elmagozizou: so, if you try and install something and its on cd2, apt should tell you to put it in. |
| 02:43.19 | togusa | btw this isnt for me this is for my dad he doesnt know how to install it |
| 02:43.33 | togusa | so he said thx for your patience |
| 02:43.41 | jklama | which is the chat group for gtk/gnome? |
| 02:43.59 | abrotman | jklama: on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:44.01 | elmagozizou | liable, what packages are in cd2 ? |
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| 02:44.19 | togusa | ....... he said the cd us fubared |
| 02:44.32 | ke6isf | togusa: Um.. what are the symptoms? |
| 02:44.33 | swim | hey folks, anyone use openmosix on debian? |
| 02:44.44 | jklama | abrotman, thanks forthe irc info. why do you ask if it is for work? is there a diff? |
| 02:45.00 | liable | elmagozizou: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 02:45.13 | abrotman | jklama: there could be |
| 02:45.15 | togusa | it said http error or something |
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| 02:45.23 | jklama | abrotman, how so? |
| 02:45.31 | togusa | but its still installing |
| 02:45.35 | StijnT | hmm, when I click my right mousebutton on my gnome desktop i don't get any menus ? :s |
| 02:45.36 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite gnaa |
| 02:45.36 | ravenbird | gnaa: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 02:45.53 | FieldySnuts | Phated: good night! |
| 02:45.54 | ke6isf | http error could be it's trying to access the network. If it's still installing, don't sweat it. |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | jklama: licensing for gtk/gnome and Qt/KDE differ for commercial uses |
| 02:46.01 | togusa | its configuring libpango 1.0 - common |
| 02:46.06 | ulitz | I made a script that has a command, is executable, and is in /etc/init.d/ but it doesn't seem to get ran.. anyone know why not? |
| 02:46.14 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it always takes a dunny |
| 02:46.29 | elmagozizou | liable, do you how can I setup my USB modem to use apt-get? |
| 02:46.34 | FieldySnuts | yeah i know.. damnit |
| 02:46.38 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite me |
| 02:46.38 | ravenbird | fieldysnuts: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 02:46.39 | jklama | abrotman, but this is Linux, everything is free, no? |
| 02:46.40 | liable | elmagozizou: sorry, no idea.. |
| 02:46.40 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | jklama: kind of |
| 02:46.50 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: literal aussiesmite |
| 02:46.50 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:46.53 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 02:46.57 | abrotman | @literal cmd: aussiesmite (.*?) |
| 02:46.57 | ravenbird | "cmd: aussiesmite (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> $1: ((i wouldnt take a back hander for that bush pig bloody|cheerio|heh im going to the dunny to wank with my donger|why dont ya go spending all your doc on a town bike bloody hell|what the do-dar are you drinking|jeeeez mate who cut the dog in half? better check your bloody dacks) mate|hold on mate im going to the dunny ... |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: yeah .. that'd be why |
| 02:47.13 | FieldySnuts | can't see the end, but i guess it's fine |
| 02:47.15 | FieldySnuts | what is? |
| 02:47.22 | FieldySnuts | heh i don't care right now, screw it bbl |
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| 02:47.27 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:48.57 | togusa | it says if you install dfoma you can run pango something etc do i press ok? |
| 02:48.59 | swim | umoreboot |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | togusa: sure |
| 02:49.23 | liable | togusa: just use defaults. keep pressing enter :) |
| 02:49.34 | ke6isf | togusa: When in doubt, hit enter. =^^= |
| 02:49.45 | togusa | k lol |
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| 02:50.07 | jklama | Ok, roughtly, i am going for gtk. will glade be needed with it? what is glade, another gui lib? |
| 02:50.08 | ke6isf | !k |
| 02:50.08 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 02:50.09 | spazticblue | hey, i'm wondering how to install a package (forced) with broken dependancies? |
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| 02:50.25 | abrotman | spazticblue: man dpkg |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | !glade |
| 02:50.34 | dpkg | glade is probably the Gtk+ GUI builder at http://glade.pn.org, or the company that does annoying "Glade plug-ins" commericals |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | !gazpacho |
| 02:50.39 | spazticblue | i'm using lighttpd and i'm trying to install backuppc via aptitude but it wants apache |
| 02:50.48 | ke6isf | That's right, dfoma, was trying to remember that. |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | !gazpacho is A fresh new GUI builder for the GTK+ toolkit designed to be ultra easy to use: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ |
| 02:51.21 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | !gazpacho is also see <glade> |
| 02:51.33 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 02:51.41 | abrotman | !glade is also see <gazpacho> |
| 02:51.41 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 02:53.29 | ecastro | hi, i would like to know how to use power managment under linux... my bios supports ACPI... i installed the daemon... the modules are loaded... but i do not know who to set up the time for the disk to shutdown, or how to hibernate or suspend the computer... please help! |
| 02:53.44 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 02:53.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
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| 02:54.31 | liable | ecastro: takes a bit of mucking around, theres lots of docs out there though. laptop? |
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| 02:55.01 | dude | anyone set up a SATA raid |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | hardware or software ? |
| 02:55.16 | dude | software |
| 02:55.22 | ecastro | liable: no, desktop... i look around a bit... i found a project at sourceforge... but nothing usefull |
| 02:55.35 | dude | abrotman: why |
| 02:55.36 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 02:55.36 | dpkg | i guess acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | dude: why would i? .. i have money for hardware raid ... |
| 02:56.04 | liable | dude: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/linux-adv/raid.htm |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 02:56.10 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
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| 02:56.17 | Wojciech | richb: Not sure if you're there, but I fixed it, in case you're interested. :P |
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| 02:56.47 | kofj | ecastro,it is not a good idea to suspend your linux, that will cause some strange errors |
| 02:57.09 | liable | depends on the hardware, works quite well for me.. |
| 02:58.27 | ecastro | kofj: why is that? there is not good tools written for suspending yet? |
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| 02:59.08 | swalters | A long time ago I heard talk of a debian branch optimized for the pentium. Did anything happen with that? |
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| 02:59.41 | togusa | what does the hdc: Command error mean? |
| 03:00.04 | dude | abrotman: what does hw raid cost in general |
| 03:00.05 | Baloo | togusa: Your drive wasn't sure how to handle whatever command it was just sent. |
| 03:00.12 | liable | cd drive problems. |
| 03:00.15 | togusa | oh |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | dude: depends on the number of drives you want |
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| 03:00.51 | dude | abrotman: 2,4,8 |
| 03:01.08 | abrotman | dude: a .. uhm .. 4port is $300 for sata |
| 03:01.14 | togusa | it says some of those hdc problems but its still installing is it gonna effect the installation? |
| 03:01.14 | abrotman | for an adaptec controller |
| 03:01.30 | liable | togusa: you'll soon find out :) |
| 03:01.44 | abrotman | dude: and that was months ago .. probably gone down by now |
| 03:01.51 | togusa | wait now its saying a bunch of them hdc errors |
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| 03:02.27 | togusa | is my hard drive crap or does it mean my cd drive is crap? |
| 03:02.41 | bruno_ | mounting problems!! |
| 03:02.44 | bruno_ | need help! |
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| 03:03.16 | liable | if its hdc, and you only have one hard drive, then its your cd drive. |
| 03:03.35 | togusa | k |
| 03:04.03 | bruno_ | i cant access my 2nd windows drive.. |
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| 03:04.11 | bruno_ | it cant find the type.. |
| 03:04.13 | bruno_ | need help |
| 03:04.15 | bruno_ | anyone? |
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| 03:06.09 | ecastro | i have another question, about mldonkey... when i try to run it... it complain about the port 4662 being already in use... and that's not true because i do a netstat and nothing is going on on that port... any clue? |
| 03:06.10 | togusa | it says configuring x server to attempt to autodetect video hardware through x server do i press enter? |
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| 03:06.22 | liable | togusa: yes |
| 03:06.37 | togusa | oh he said press yes or no? |
| 03:06.50 | liable | togusa: yes, yes |
| 03:06.54 | togusa | lol |
| 03:06.55 | togusa | k |
| 03:07.38 | togusa | sorry my dads hard headed he dont listen when i told him to keep press enter |
| 03:08.32 | liable | togusa: with x, he does need to answer the questions if he knows the answers (like video card driver) |
| 03:08.42 | togusa | k |
| 03:09.07 | togusa | it says choose mouse port and he dont which one to choose |
| 03:09.14 | togusa | *know |
| 03:09.27 | liable | what kind of mouse? usb? ps/2? |
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| 03:09.50 | VerusMaya | hey I have a question... I manage a server with dual em64t xeons that got standard i386 debian installed on it... I noticed there is a kernel-image-x.x.x-em64t-p4-smp package in the i386 line, how exactly does this work and what advantages does it offer? and how would I go about upgrading to the amd64 port? |
| 03:09.51 | togusa | its umm the one before ps2 |
| 03:10.04 | liable | togusa: little connection at the back? wide one? |
| 03:10.18 | togusa | nm its ps2 |
| 03:10.30 | togusa | it wasnt connected and he forgot lol |
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| 03:10.33 | togusa | but its ps2 |
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| 03:11.04 | togusa | he picked psaux |
| 03:11.26 | liable | thats ok, or /dev/input/mice |
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| 03:12.15 | ulitz | is this line valid for a modprobe.conf: install /sbin/modprobe ivtv;? |
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| 03:13.43 | liable | ulitz: just put 'ivtv' in /etc/modules (without the ' ) |
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| 03:14.35 | dude | is there a way to set up rsync such that when files are dropped in a dir, they are spread out to multiple locations |
| 03:14.45 | karsten | dude: Clarify. |
| 03:14.45 | ulitz | liable: I must confess that this problem is for a fedora machine.. not sure why he chose fedora.. |
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| 03:14.49 | dude | karsten: how |
| 03:15.04 | ke6isf | karsten: I think he wants to generate multiple destinations from a single drop. |
| 03:15.05 | karsten | dude: What do you mean "spread out to..." ? |
| 03:15.06 | chealer | VerusMaya: advantage as compared to what? |
| 03:15.09 | ke6isf | dude: Is that correct? |
| 03:15.23 | dude | ke6isf: yes. destinations on different machines |
| 03:15.24 | liable | ulitz: *shrug* |
| 03:15.24 | karsten | dude: I'd do that remote side, with regular polling of the rsync server. |
| 03:15.35 | kofj | can gcc4.0 compile vmware? |
| 03:15.37 | karsten | dude: ... alternatively, you could push from local, given a destination list. |
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| 03:15.52 | karsten | kofj: Ask VMWare. Or use Xen. |
| 03:15.59 | kofj | thx |
| 03:16.06 | dude | karsten: im wondering is there a way to do it with a drop directory, not with calling rsync |
| 03:16.20 | karsten | dude: And I repeat: clarify just what it is you're doing. |
| 03:16.37 | dude | karsten: drop a file into a dir and it goes to 2 other machines |
| 03:16.46 | karsten | dude: rsync itself isn't "drop" aware. You'd have to provide support elsewhere. |
| 03:17.01 | dude | so nfs is really better eh? |
| 03:17.03 | karsten | dude: And the two suggestions I've made don't work because ... ? |
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| 03:17.19 | karsten | dude: rsync is a file transmission protocol. It's not a filesystem. |
| 03:17.19 | slit | hi |
| 03:17.26 | slit | does anyone know if i can define an appleshare server ip |
| 03:17.29 | slit | inside a dhcpd.conf? |
| 03:17.29 | karsten | slit: 733 people greet thee. |
| 03:17.45 | dude | karsten: have you seen fully interconnected NFS setups? |
| 03:17.53 | karsten | dude: Yes. |
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| 03:18.01 | dude | karsten: so each machine runs an NFS server ? |
| 03:18.07 | karsten | dude: Um. No. |
| 03:18.17 | karsten | dude: Generally, one server, lots of clients connecting to it. |
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| 03:18.52 | karsten | dude: ... easier to manage that way. Not that you can't do the Windows "everyone's a fileserver" clusterfuck. I'd run screaming though. |
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| 03:19.43 | karsten | kofj: What are you trying to do, BTW, w/ VMWare? Xen or qemu might be alternatives for you. |
| 03:19.48 | stew | its too funny watching this conversation, picturing karsten talking like a surfer... "like dude, rsync is a file transmission protocoll... dude!" |
| 03:19.48 | dude | karsten: i need to have the files on each local machine because its insane to webserve over NFS. each machine really has a need to publish to every machine (3 machines minimum) |
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| 03:20.19 | karsten | dude: Convince me of the insanity. |
| 03:20.53 | dude | karsten: have you webserved over NFS for high volumes? |
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| 03:21.24 | karsten | dude: I haven't. |
| 03:21.27 | TwistedEmotions | What is the command to run comanche? |
| 03:22.00 | karsten | dude: Story here is: You're asking questions (WRT rsync) which flat don't make sense. You're alluding to issues of which I really don't want to play 20 questions to determine. |
| 03:22.18 | karsten | dude: My assessment is that you don't know what you're doing and you're making life difficult for yourself. |
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| 03:22.30 | karsten | dude: If you're willing to demonstrate otherwise, please do, but make it quick. |
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| 03:22.38 | Rumo | where i put the isl3890 firmware (prism54) which directory |
| 03:22.48 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? Comanche? |
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| 03:23.01 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: WTF is comanche? |
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| 03:23.18 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: the gui for apache... ;P Yes I know im a idiot.. |
| 03:23.18 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: dpkg -L <package> | grep bin/ |
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| 03:23.43 | stew | what does a gui for apache do? |
| 03:23.54 | karsten | stew: ... apparently not start. |
| 03:24.05 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Where'd you get it? apt-cache shows no packages. |
| 03:24.11 | outcast7923 | is anyone here good at networking? |
| 03:24.17 | karsten | outcast7923: No |
| 03:24.22 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: got it off the site and alien ;) |
| 03:24.24 | outcast7923 | ok then... |
| 03:24.27 | karsten | !sunday |
| 03:24.28 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:24.43 | outcast7923 | ?? |
| 03:24.46 | Skiz | <-- has arrived dpkg |
| 03:24.48 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Then scope the packages and look what it put in bin / sbin dirs. |
| 03:24.48 | stew | Rumo: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 03:24.52 | Skiz | you point has been proven |
| 03:25.09 | karsten | outcast7923: Ask. |
| 03:25.12 | karsten | !tell outcast7923 about ask |
| 03:25.17 | stew | !comfort Skiz |
| 03:25.18 | dpkg | There, there, Skiz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:25.32 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: http://librenix.com/?inode=1127 |
| 03:26.12 | outcast7923 | is there any way I can share a dialup connection between 1 computer connected to the phone line, and another computer connected to the first with a wireless 802.11b connection, the computer with the phone line runs xp and my other comp runs dsl linux |
| 03:27.01 | saboteur | so it falls back to dialup you mean? that sounds complex |
| 03:27.04 | stew | if you are too scared of httpd.conf you probably shouldn't be running a publicly accessible webserver |
| 03:27.32 | karsten | outcast7923: Yes. NAT. |
| 03:27.38 | outcast7923 | and what is NAT? |
| 03:27.38 | stew | outcast7923: yes but this question is off topic in this channel |
| 03:27.47 | karsten | outcast7923: GIYF. |
| 03:27.49 | outcast7923 | then what channel could i go to? |
| 03:28.07 | outcast7923 | dsl installs as debian... |
| 03:28.15 | karsten | outcast7923: under XP "share network connection" should be all you need. |
| 03:28.26 | outcast7923 | ok, thanks for the pointer |
| 03:28.34 | karsten | outcast7923: DSL != debian |
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| 03:29.11 | stew | outcast7923: #damnsmalllinux for dsl questions. #windows or #winxp or whatever for xp, /msg chanserver list *xp* ; or *windows* |
| 03:29.16 | outcast7923 | karsten: thats what it said it installed as, i just got around to playing with it |
| 03:29.23 | outcast7923 | ah |
| 03:29.23 | stew | outcast7923: it lied |
| 03:29.26 | karsten | stew: I don't think there are any decent 'Doze channels here. |
| 03:29.33 | karsten | outcast7923: NP. Just telling you. |
| 03:29.44 | karsten | outcast7923: DSL is *based* on Debian. It is not, however, Debian. |
| 03:29.59 | stew | karsten: chanserv lists many windows channels |
| 03:30.02 | karsten | outcast7923: I'd suggest you do a full Debian install or Ubuntu (/join #ubuntu) for a full-featured Linux. |
| 03:30.06 | karsten | stew: OK. |
| 03:30.17 | TwistedEmotions | how do you run a .tcl file? |
| 03:30.38 | Maliuta | with #!/usr/bin/tclsh in the top line |
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| 03:30.55 | Maliuta | install tcl |
| 03:31.17 | outcast7923 | like i said, i am on a dialup connection, it took me many hours to download dsl, its one of the largest downloads i have ever done successfully |
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| 03:31.35 | karsten | stew: ... of which none are actually active. |
| 03:31.53 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Should just be able to execute it if you've got a Tcl interpreter installed. |
| 03:31.58 | stew | karsten: *shrug... |
| 03:32.16 | karsten | stew: Sure, me too. But pointing people at empty channels isn't particularly useful. |
| 03:32.40 | positrix | when i apt-get install screen i get E: Internal error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libncursesw5. I am using the offline apt method. |
| 03:32.45 | karsten | outcast7923: I've done Debian netinst over dialup, so long as you can overnight the first package pull. |
| 03:32.51 | Maliuta | karsten: if enough ppl get pointed to them then they won't be empty :) |
| 03:33.15 | karsten | Maliuta: chicken / egg. |
| 03:33.23 | liable | egg! |
| 03:33.28 | redguy | outcast7923: you could order a free ubuntu CD, check http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ |
| 03:33.31 | Maliuta | karsten: in this case the egg is there :) |
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| 03:33.48 | stew | Maliuta: its not really apropriate on this network however |
| 03:34.05 | togusa | ok it done and it says tasksel; aptitude failed username~$ what do i do to get into the gui now? |
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| 03:34.24 | Maliuta | stew: appropriate is a matter of channel |
| 03:34.43 | liable | togusa: err, looks like errors, but try startx |
| 03:35.09 | fooz | photos of tux nude <- appropriate |
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| 03:35.22 | Rumo | Hi i got a script for my soundcard work, in where directory i put it, rc2 3 4 5? please ! i want the sound thanks |
| 03:35.26 | shadow98 | anybody know if there is an icq client for the terminal window that i can run via ssh tunnel |
| 03:35.27 | togusa | when i reboot will it start in debian gui or do i ahve to type a certain command? |
| 03:36.12 | Maliuta | fooz: most photo's of tux have him naked :P |
| 03:36.14 | liable | togusa: it should have installed a dm, so after a boot, you will get graphical login. |
| 03:36.21 | positrix | shadow98: centericq ? |
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| 03:36.32 | stew | Maliuta: no its a matter of network policy |
| 03:36.34 | Rumo | I want a script to be executed at startup to got sound work, in which rc(1-5).d i put this? rc2.d? |
| 03:36.55 | liable | Rumo: /etc/init.d, man update-rc.d |
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| 03:37.03 | togusa | one thing how do i get to my windows 98 that i partitioned will it say it automatically |
| 03:37.17 | togusa | and how do i access my windows 98 fiels through debian? |
| 03:37.20 | Rumo | liable so /etc/init.d/S79sound is ok? |
| 03:37.32 | togusa | do i have to get a windows emulator? |
| 03:37.45 | shadow98 | togusa: just format that thing if you have win98 on it |
| 03:38.21 | togusa | my dad wants to know its not my computer |
| 03:38.26 | liable | Rumo: no, thats for a particular level, look in /etc/inittab for you default run level (prolly 2) |
| 03:38.55 | togusa | and hes got a lot of good roms for mame so he doesnt want to delete it |
| 03:38.55 | positrix | togusa: just mount the partition. something like mount /dev/hda2 t vfat /win98parttn |
| 03:39.04 | Xenguy | togusa: did you set up a dual-boot (debian/W98) ? |
| 03:39.07 | togusa | yeah |
| 03:39.52 | Xenguy | togusa: have you been able to 'mount' files on the W98 partition from while booted into Debian? |
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| 03:42.00 | togusa | umm i dont know debian just loaded up right now so i haventdone anything yet |
| 03:42.44 | Eonn | Xenguy fdisk -l will give you a list of avalible devices |
| 03:43.02 | Eonn | sorry not Xenguy > togusa |
| 03:45.35 | Xenguy | togusa: once you've figured out which partition belongs to W98 (e.g. /dev/hda2 or whatever), then you 'mount' the W98 filesystem at some location within Debian. A typical command might be -> mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt |
| 03:47.07 | Xenguy | togusa: that basically says "mount this /dev/hda2 partition, which is a 'vfat' filesystem (e.g. FAT32) at this location /mnt |
| 03:47.10 | Xenguy | " |
| 03:47.47 | Xenguy | togusa: man mount (for more info on the 'mount' command) |
| 03:48.03 | kofj | is "-t vfat" option support fat16? |
| 03:48.24 | Xenguy | kofj: AFAIK that also |
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| 03:50.43 | togusa | ok hey how do i get a list of partitions i type fdisk -1 and it said to get a list of availible partitions type fdisk -l but when i type fdisk -l nothing happens |
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| 03:54.07 | Xenguy | togusa: you should definitely get output from the 'fdisk -l' command (are you pressing 'Enter' after typing that?) |
| 03:54.28 | Xenguy | togusa: what output do you get? |
| 03:54.44 | togusa | nothing happens |
| 03:54.46 | liable | togusa: fdisk -l, not fdisk -1 |
| 03:54.54 | togusa | yeah fdisk -L |
| 03:54.55 | maher | togusa: you need to do fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 03:55.00 | togusa | ok |
| 03:55.14 | maher | togusa: or whichever hd it is |
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| 03:55.43 | ofer0 | is there a way that i can compile my kernel in debian? |
| 03:55.56 | onedertow | googling for ten minutes provides no instructions on how to make lilo boot winxp....this has never come up for anyone else? |
| 03:56.29 | maher | onedertow: there should be an example at the end of /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 03:56.41 | maher | ofer0: try kernel-package |
| 03:56.51 | mwilson | Why wouldn't you just have NTLDR boot Linux? |
| 03:56.55 | onedertow | maher, i followed that and now im stuck with "NTLDR is missing, press ctrl-alt-del" |
| 03:56.57 | Skiz | onedertow, yes as maher says, change the partition to match, and make sure you rerun lilo after you edit it |
| 03:57.02 | ofer0 | maher -> k, thanx |
| 03:57.39 | onedertow | its not that simple i guess, Skiz. |
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| 03:58.18 | togusa | if it says hda2 is extended does that mean its windows? |
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| 03:58.32 | mwilson | No, that means it's extended. |
| 03:58.33 | Skiz | crap |
| 03:58.33 | togusa | or thats just an extended hard drive |
| 03:58.38 | Skiz | I just cat /etc/X :S |
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| 03:59.06 | togusa | and it says theres an hda5 linux/solaris |
| 03:59.17 | togusa | hmmm it didnt list the windows one |
| 03:59.57 | maher | togusa: how many hd's do you have |
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| 04:00.20 | togusa | i have 1 hard drive |
| 04:00.34 | togusa | if i reboot will it give me a choice to boot to windows98? |
| 04:00.48 | ofer0 | http://singe.rucus.net/blog/archives/270-Gentoo-vs-Ubuntu-vs-Debian.html |
| 04:01.16 | maher | togusa: which partition is the windows partition? |
| 04:01.19 | ofer0 | great review of "Gentoo vs Ubuntu vs Debian" |
| 04:01.44 | togusa | ummm i dont know thats what im trying to find out |
| 04:01.55 | ofer0 | fdisk -l ? |
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| 04:02.29 | togusa | it says hda1 is linux hda2 is extended and hda5 is linux/solaris |
| 04:02.32 | maher | togusa: what do you want to do? |
| 04:02.51 | togusa | try to make windows directory availible in debian |
| 04:02.55 | togusa | was trying to mount it |
| 04:03.09 | togusa | but i think my dad might have formated windows by accident lol |
| 04:03.18 | maher | togusa: you need to find which partition (e.g. hda1) has windows on it |
| 04:03.18 | ofer0 | where is your windows partition at? |
| 04:03.19 | togusa | but he said he partitioned |
| 04:03.27 | togusa | my dad doesnt know |
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| 04:03.33 | togusa | hes the one who did it |
| 04:03.42 | maher | togusa: how many partitions show up i fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 04:03.43 | ofer0 | i told you what to do |
| 04:03.50 | ofer0 | fdisk -l | grep -i ntfs |
| 04:03.52 | ofer0 | and |
| 04:03.55 | ofer0 | fdisk -l | grep -i fat |
| 04:04.10 | ofer0 | one of them should send output |
| 04:04.18 | ofer0 | which one is it? |
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| 04:04.28 | togusa | just a sec |
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| 04:06.32 | ofer0 | togusa, ? |
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| 04:06.39 | togusa | none of them send output |
| 04:06.40 | Xenguy | maher: he wants to mount the W98 partition |
| 04:06.40 | Xenguy | maher: wherever it is ;-) |
| 04:06.48 | onedertow | i cant believe this! |
| 04:06.58 | togusa | i typed fdisk -l | grep -i ntfs |
| 04:06.59 | ofer0 | togusa, so you don`t have windows on this computer. sorry :) |
| 04:07.06 | togusa | haha |
| 04:07.13 | ofer0 | im not kidding |
| 04:07.14 | togusa | he formated it lol |
| 04:07.23 | togusa | its ok it wasnt my stuff |
| 04:07.25 | ke6isf | onedertow: eh? |
| 04:07.34 | togusa | he pwned his self |
| 04:07.42 | ke6isf | togusa: Sucks to be him. |
| 04:07.43 | ofer0 | togusa, you can create a new partition with "cfdisk" |
| 04:07.52 | onedertow | googling for ten minutes provides no instructions on how to make lilo boot winxp....this has never come up for anyone else? ke6isf |
| 04:07.53 | togusa | k just a sec |
| 04:08.06 | ofer0 | togusa, use it wisely ;0 |
| 04:08.23 | maher | togusa: how much stuff in fdisk -l /dev/hda? if its <4 lines paste it here |
| 04:08.25 | ofer0 | onedertow, configure lilo.conf |
| 04:09.11 | ofer0 | maher, he doesn`t have a ntfs/fat partition... |
| 04:09.12 | onedertow | ofer0, i followed the basic example for other=/dev/etcetera, and now i get "NTLDR is missing ctrl-alt-goscrewyourself to restart" |
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| 04:09.30 | onedertow | :( |
| 04:09.39 | mwilson | onedertow: And again I tell you, why not have NTLDR boot Linux? |
| 04:09.48 | ofer0 | onedertow, try again, but first - backup your lilo.conf |
| 04:10.13 | onedertow | every solution is saying that. but that sucks! then microscrew pwns my boot process. i dont like it. |
| 04:11.04 | ke6isf | onedertow: So why are you complaining? Why not just bask in the irony that is Micro$oft bootstrapping Linux for you? |
| 04:11.04 | ofer0 | onedertow, you installed lilo on the mbr? |
| 04:11.28 | onedertow | ke6isf, good angle, hadnt thought of it like that |
| 04:11.34 | onedertow | ofer0, yes. |
| 04:11.41 | onedertow | and that sucks, i now see. |
| 04:11.42 | ke6isf | onedertow: Glad I could help. |
| 04:11.54 | togusa | yeah my dads pissed he said he lost all his mame snes nes geneis atari mastersystem amiga emualtors and roms |
| 04:11.56 | togusa | lol |
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| 04:12.33 | Xenguy | togusa: tell him backups are his friend =) |
| 04:12.43 | maher | ofer0: he could have changed the partition id without overwriting it |
| 04:12.47 | togusa | hes cursing at the computer right now |
| 04:12.57 | maher | togusa: : he could have changed the partition id without overwriting it |
| 04:13.00 | ke6isf | togusa: You set the VCRs in the home, don't you? =^^= |
| 04:13.00 | togusa | but he said how did it format if he told it to partition |
| 04:13.20 | Eonn_ | Guys im looking for someone to program a job for me with PHP experience, if anyone is interested they can contact me on trent@pchomesupport.com.au (im wanting to create an online job ticket system for my IT company) |
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| 04:13.36 | onedertow | can't i have lilo _not_ write to the mbr? i think i can repair ntldr with the xp disc, then i could rerun lilo and point it somewhere else? |
| 04:13.44 | maher | togusa: but if you don't tell us how many partitions there ar eits hard to know |
| 04:13.51 | togusa | therse 3 |
| 04:13.58 | togusa | i said earlier |
| 04:14.27 | togusa | it says hda1 is linux hda2 is extended and hda5 is linux/solaris |
| 04:14.28 | maher | togusa: maybe i missed it - so one has linux on it, another is swap, what is the third? |
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| 04:14.49 | maher | togusa: ok - that's only two partitions hda2 doesnt' count |
| 04:14.56 | togusa | k |
| 04:15.13 | togusa | so they gone for good? |
| 04:15.43 | ke6isf | togusa: Yes. |
| 04:15.47 | onedertow | can lilo boot without being in the mbr? |
| 04:15.48 | maher | togusa: its probably gone - if he hasn't overwritten the data on disc it may be possible to get some back - do you know how the machine was partitioned before? |
| 04:16.06 | togusa | yeah it was partitioned before |
| 04:16.09 | togusa | he installed |
| 04:16.21 | maher | togusa: just one big partition? |
| 04:16.40 | togusa | yeah |
| 04:17.30 | maher | togusa: well - the data would have to be very important for you to want to put the time in to attempting to recover it - and the first chunk of stuff has all been overwrittten by now anyway |
| 04:17.49 | togusa | yeah it was homework stuff he had |
| 04:18.33 | maher | togusa: get your dad a nice bottle of scotch and tell him to start making backups tomorrow... |
| 04:18.43 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 04:19.20 | ke6isf | !backups |
| 04:19.20 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other me's in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other me's in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 04:19.35 | Eonn_ | join #apache |
| 04:19.43 | Eonn_ | oops |
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| 04:21.06 | RoNiS | hi, why kde 3.4 isn't in SID yet? |
| 04:21.37 | mwilson | RoNiS: Why, is there some requirement that it be? |
| 04:22.28 | RoNiS | mwilson: no, i just want to know why SID still with kde 3.3 |
| 04:22.33 | liable | !topicsmite RoNiS |
| 04:22.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon RoNiS. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:22.57 | RoNiS | liable: sorry |
| 04:23.10 | mwilson | RoNiS: No one has seen any particular reason to worry about uploading it. |
| 04:23.17 | RoNiS | mwilson: hum |
| 04:23.33 | togusa | whats linux / swap solaris? |
| 04:23.47 | liable | swap partition. |
| 04:23.49 | RoNiS | mwilson: it is, hum, more beautiful? |
| 04:23.51 | RoNiS | :D |
| 04:23.59 | dude | if i only have 2 new files that i care to distribute doesnt rsync have to check the entire tree though to really see that those 2 files are the only new ones |
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| 04:24.35 | maher | dude: you can tell rsync to look at any dirs / subtrees you like |
| 04:24.54 | maher | dude: in fact you can run rsync on a single file |
| 04:25.08 | dude | maher: tx |
| 04:25.21 | mwilson | RoNiS: It certainly can't be any more ugly. |
| 04:26.22 | RoNiS | mwilson: ehehehhe |
| 04:26.28 | themusicgod1 | where did packages scotty+tkined ( http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2000/10/msg00008.html ) and more importantly tkInet go? |
| 04:26.37 | themusicgod1 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2000/10/msg00012.html |
| 04:26.49 | litage | which CLI command performs substitutions? eg the equivalent of s/OLD/NEW/ |
| 04:26.56 | Maliuta | sed |
| 04:27.01 | Maliuta | hey litage |
| 04:27.05 | litage | howdy Maliuta |
| 04:27.19 | themusicgod1 | sure ethat was 2000, and this is 2005, but I thought debian would still have something that useful around still(mabye in unstable if it's an abomination?) |
| 04:27.48 | maher | themusicgod1: what do you want to do? |
| 04:28.19 | Maliuta | litage: sed will do your whole word subs, you can use tr for single chars or combos |
| 04:28.20 | themusicgod1 | maher: spacial-mapped tracerouting? |
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| 04:29.50 | themusicgod1 | though the entire 'missing package' phenomenon is unsettling; if this package did exist, and it was useful, does this mean that it has to be rewritten from scratch since it appears to have dissapeared? |
| 04:29.51 | litage | Maliuta: gotcha |
| 04:29.54 | maher | themusicgod1: xt! or try apt-cache search traceroute and se if there is something there |
| 04:32.38 | litage | Maliuta: how do you match a space in sed? i've tried [:space:] and \s |
| 04:32.55 | RoNiS | mwilson: just a last question, do you see any problems in upgrade the kde with packages in alioth.debian.org? |
| 04:33.08 | mwilson | RoNiS: I have no idea. |
| 04:33.22 | Maliuta | litage: escape it s+foo\ bar+foobar+g |
| 04:33.26 | RoNiS | mwilson: thanks |
| 04:33.32 | mwilson | RoNiS: I've never bothered with KDE in Debian, I have no idea what quality any unofficial packages would be. |
| 04:33.44 | litage | ah =P |
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| 04:34.07 | RoNiS | mwilson: ok, thanks man! |
| 04:34.08 | Maliuta | litage: or you can use quotes, I think |
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| 04:34.54 | space_cow_boy | how can I list all the files in a *.tar.gz file? |
| 04:35.12 | deadcat | space_cow_boy: man tar |
| 04:35.27 | Xenguy | space_cow_boy: tar ztvf file.tgz |
| 04:36.02 | space_cow_boy | xenguy, thanks |
| 04:36.28 | deadcat | no love from the guy whos teaching him to fish.!!! bastard |
| 04:36.46 | Xenguy | deadcat: heheh |
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| 04:37.12 | kadigibox | Xenguy, is the f switch neccisary? I have a friend say he did it without the f switch |
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| 04:37.26 | deadcat | kadigibox: try it |
| 04:37.41 | Xenguy | kadigibox: I think you need 'f'; 'v' is optional of course |
| 04:37.48 | kadigibox | I need to DL a tar so *shrugs* |
| 04:37.56 | Xenguy | kadigibox: and what deadcat said :-) |
| 04:37.56 | deadcat | kadigibox: make one |
| 04:37.59 | kadigibox | I love v |
| 04:38.35 | kadigibox | I always add the f switch it doesnt matter to me to add that but I just was slightly curious as it was mentioned |
| 04:38.39 | Xenguy | kadigibox: to d/l a tarball, you might try 'wget' |
| 04:38.58 | kadigibox | wget is fun |
| 04:39.15 | kadigibox | I use it to DL my comics LOL |
| 04:40.32 | themusicgod1 | maher: lot's of cool stuff in there but not a spacial traceroute (unless xt is, but it doesn't seem to work. bugchecking...) |
| 04:40.51 | john | So, is there any linux apps that can burn .avi/.mpg to dvd (kind of like nero in windows) .. possibly with menus? |
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| 04:42.08 | kenboo | !nerim |
| 04:42.08 | dpkg | hmm... nerim is http://hpisi.nerim.net/ , a place to get many sound&video editing tools, including mplayer & other fine programs. |
| 04:43.15 | Xenguy | john: k3b ? |
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| 04:43.45 | Xenguy | john: (haven't bothered with it myself, but it may do what you want) |
| 04:44.21 | ice_1963 | k3b is the best |
| 04:44.40 | john | k3b is good, but it's not capable like nero (yet) |
| 04:44.41 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 04:45.02 | john | so i guess i'll have to wait then for k3b to improve ;p |
| 04:45.16 | ice_1963 | + |
| 04:45.37 | ice_1963 | k3b is better then nero |
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| 04:47.01 | ice_1963 | is bill in here ???? |
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| 04:48.18 | travolta | I'm connected to another pc thru a ssh connection and started compiling something awhile ago and its taking too long. can i do a ctrl+z, then run "nohup bg" and have it continue compiling after i log out? |
| 04:49.00 | Xenguy | travolta: 'screen' would be a good idea for future reference |
| 04:49.41 | kofj | In factor ,you should run the compile command with a '&' |
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| 04:49.54 | travolta | yea, too late now :) |
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| 04:50.40 | kofj | after ctrl+z , u can still make it work ,but I forget the command... |
| 04:50.54 | travolta | command is "bg" |
| 04:51.00 | travolta | to make it go in background |
| 04:51.16 | kofj | yes |
| 04:51.20 | travolta | just wondering if i can use those two commands together "nohup bg" |
| 04:51.38 | kofj | I am not sure either |
| 04:52.29 | Xenguy | travolta: I doubt it, but can't say for sure |
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| 04:53.38 | RoNiS | when i ask for a dist-upgrade (in SID) it will remove xserver-xfree86, is it normal now? |
| 04:54.16 | Xenguy | RoNiS: sid has switched over to Xorg AFAIK, but you should google for gotchas me thinks |
| 04:54.18 | kofj | you should cancel this work |
| 04:54.39 | RoNiS | Xenguy: how i can change it here so? |
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| 04:55.09 | Xenguy | RoNiS: what is your question (try again) ? |
| 04:55.28 | themusicgod1 | travolta: I just tried on a gentoo box to use nohup and bg together and it seemed to work |
| 04:55.30 | RoNiS | Xenguy: i'm using XFree86 and i want to go to X.org, so how i can change it? |
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| 04:56.17 | Xenguy | RoNiS: dunno, haven't done that myself, but if it were me, I would google first to see if there are any dangers before you commit :-) |
| 04:56.49 | liable | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 04:56.50 | RoNiS | ok :D |
| 04:56.56 | mls | i took the violent method: use aptitude to purge everything related to x and reinstall |
| 04:57.00 | themusicgod1 | travolta: appears to have the same sort of behavior on linux. |
| 04:57.10 | RoNiS | liable: but somebody told me that nvidia cards have problems in it |
| 04:57.18 | liable | RoNiS: bts |
| 04:57.49 | themusicgod1 | travolta: debian I mean |
| 04:57.58 | liable | RoNiS: yes, I believe there is.. |
| 04:58.06 | themusicgod1 | because we all know debian is the only kind of linux. </sarcasm> |
| 04:58.16 | RoNiS | hum |
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| 05:02.22 | travolta | themusicgod1, cool :) |
| 05:02.49 | themusicgod1 | travolta: does it work for you? |
| 05:03.14 | travolta | no |
| 05:03.30 | travolta | canno run command 'bg'; no such file or dir |
| 05:03.35 | themusicgod1 | er |
| 05:03.38 | themusicgod1 | wait |
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| 05:03.50 | themusicgod1 | let me get this straight; |
| 05:03.54 | RoNiS | liable: there something very strange, the version of xfree86-common is 6.8.2, but in the xfree86 site the last version is 4.5.0, what is happen? |
| 05:03.56 | themusicgod1 | you had |
| 05:04.00 | themusicgod1 | nohup COMMAND& |
| 05:04.05 | themusicgod1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.06 | themusicgod1 | bg? |
| 05:04.20 | DoppelGanger | man bg and fg can be hard he he |
| 05:04.22 | ke6isf | themusicgod1: If you suffix with the & you shouldn't need a bg. |
| 05:04.33 | themusicgod1 | ke6isf: I know that. |
| 05:04.34 | liable | RoNiS: buggered if I know.. |
| 05:04.44 | travolta | no, i already had something compiling (no &) then i ctrl+z and then tried "nohup bg" |
| 05:05.01 | RoNiS | hum |
| 05:05.11 | Penix | RoNiS: read xfree86-common's description |
| 05:05.23 | Penix | RoNiS: it's a transitional package |
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| 05:05.28 | themusicgod1 | why not just nohup COMMAND& ? |
| 05:05.52 | Penix | RoNiS: it's 6.8.2 because it's being used to ease the transition to X.org |
| 05:06.21 | travolta | cause COMMAND has already been running for a while now and i originally ran it without the & |
| 05:06.45 | themusicgod1 | well what if you need to run another command in the future, wouldn't it be nice to know if that worked for you? |
| 05:07.21 | Penix | travolta: what are you trying to do? get an app to come back to the foreground? |
| 05:07.42 | travolta | the command is already running |
| 05:07.47 | Penix | travolta: in the background? |
| 05:08.05 | travolta | i want to do something like ctrl+z then "nohup bg" then log out |
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| 05:08.21 | travolta | was in foreground, now in background |
| 05:08.23 | RoNiS | Penix: so there i won't have problems if i make a dist-upgrade and remove xserver-xfree86, will i? |
| 05:08.59 | liable | RoNiS: you are using sid, of course you might have problems.. |
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| 05:09.33 | RoNiS | liable: hum |
| 05:09.35 | RoNiS | ok |
| 05:10.10 | Penix | RoNiS: xserver-xfree86 should be removed automatically |
| 05:10.20 | Penix | RoNiS: xserver-xorg conflicts and replaces it |
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| 05:10.34 | RoNiS | Penix: but i don't have it |
| 05:10.40 | RoNiS | Penix: and it won't be installed |
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| 05:15.12 | aFlag | is there any console emule client? |
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| 05:25.30 | floppyears | hi |
| 05:25.47 | floppyears | in order to be able to mount an usb thumb drive do I need to recompile the kernel ? |
| 05:25.50 | floppyears | please |
| 05:26.02 | jm_ | not if you're using Debian kernel |
| 05:26.21 | floppyears | jm_: I am using the kernel.org kernels |
| 05:26.31 | floppyears | jm_: what module is it the one that is needed ? |
| 05:26.32 | jm_ | floppyears: then it obviously depends on your kernel configuration |
| 05:26.39 | jm_ | floppyears: several modules are needed |
| 05:27.17 | floppyears | jm_: is there a quick way to figure out if I have the modules or if I am going to be able to mount it ? |
| 05:27.35 | jm_ | floppyears: check your kernel config |
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| 05:28.20 | liable | modprobe -l |
| 05:28.36 | floppyears | ok, what modules am I looking for ? |
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| 05:29.37 | liable | prolly usb-storage, ehci or oh, whatever is 2.0 |
| 05:29.47 | jm_ | you also need SCSI disk support |
| 05:29.59 | jm_ | unless you're using the crippled driver |
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| 05:30.38 | FarrisG | I have a machine with LVM2 running, and a logical volume made up of two usb harddrives |
| 05:30.42 | floppyears | ok thanks a lot ;) guys |
| 05:31.14 | FarrisG | Everything was working fine with it, but the system lost power, and when it came back up, LVM won't recognize the physical volumes, and so won't create the volume group |
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| 05:35.12 | litage | is there a log that details loading the kernel? |
| 05:35.53 | Maliuta | litage: should be in /var/log/messages |
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| 05:36.50 | jm_ | also take a look at dmesg file in there |
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| 05:39.10 | litage | thanks again Maliuta |
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| 05:40.22 | Maliuta | litage: you could always employ me part time ;) |
| 05:40.37 | Maliuta | litage: I could commute via ssh :) |
| 05:41.42 | deadcat | Maliuta: i can pay opensource money |
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| 05:42.33 | Maliuta | deadcat: as in opensourcelabs money or "opensource money"? ;) |
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| 05:44.40 | litage | hahah |
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| 05:46.10 | litage | if `grep "FAIL_DELAY" file` returns "FAIL_DELAY 10", and the whitespace there is a single tab, why does this return nothing?: grep "FAIL_DELAY\t10" file |
| 05:47.31 | Maliuta | hmmm interesting |
| 05:47.46 | maher | litage: try \\ instead of \ |
| 05:48.57 | litage | maher: 'fraid not |
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| 05:51.46 | litage | `grep "FAIL_DELAY[[:space:]]" "login.defs.tmp"` matches the line, but if i add a '+' sign after the ]], the match faile |
| 05:51.48 | litage | fails |
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| 05:52.56 | jm_ | of course it fails |
| 05:53.08 | litage | why? |
| 05:53.14 | liable | poor kurumin users :P |
| 05:53.33 | jm_ | because + is an ordinary character for normal regex |
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| 05:54.19 | litage | ah |
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| 05:57.51 | JoeTehN00b | I'm trying to install Deb on my older P2 Sony for the first time. I press Enter to start it to boot and it continues to load linux. Then my screen goes blank (when it should just go to the first install windows of Debian) and I receive the message on my monitor: INFORMATION: OUT OF SCAN RANGE. I'm still able to load Windows 98, XP, and Knoppix onto the computer though. Does anyone have any advice? Just now it actually cha |
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| 05:59.13 | litage | JoeTehN00b: look through the boot options to see if there's a way to specify the horiz/vert sync rates at the "boot> " prompt |
| 05:59.14 | weirdcreep | ban plz |
| 06:00.55 | weirdcreep | ban plz |
| 06:01.03 | JoeTehN00b | Thankyou litage. |
| 06:01.11 | litage | np JoeTehN00b |
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| 06:03.02 | FarrisG | any lvm pros in here at the moment? |
| 06:03.09 | stevarino | hey, i'm trying to install php4, and apt-get is telling me i have an up-to-date installation, but i can't locate it. any ideas? |
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| 06:03.16 | christor | Hello |
| 06:03.27 | weirdcreep | ban me |
| 06:03.35 | christor | Please is someone know the EDX/CALL ( what means??) |
| 06:03.35 | weirdcreep | ban me |
| 06:03.49 | weirdcreep | ban me |
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| 06:03.55 | weirdcreep | ban me |
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| 06:04.04 | ElectricElf | (Okay. :) |
| 06:04.06 | kofj | every one try '/clear' |
| 06:04.15 | christor | ElectricElf: gg |
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| 06:04.30 | stevarino | hey, i'm trying to install php4, and apt-get is telling me i have an up-to-date installation, but i can't locate it. any ideas? |
| 06:04.42 | christor | I have lauch a soft on debian and I have a message please adjust the edx/call |
| 06:04.45 | jm_ | stevarino: /msg dpkg any ideas |
| 06:05.07 | kofj | stevarino: compile php yourself will be better |
| 06:05.07 | karsten-sleep | stevarino: dpkg -L php4 |
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| 06:06.16 | stevarino | thanks! |
| 06:06.21 | nvz | that was lame |
| 06:06.54 | Mestapheles | has anyone had a faster system putting linux on the top (disk utilty), presumably the start of the disk? |
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| 06:08.04 | nvz | reminds me of the butter battle |
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| 06:09.02 | cmihai | Mestapheles: you mean becouse of the periferical speed of the drive? |
| 06:09.09 | Mestapheles | yes |
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| 06:09.21 | RedDrake | hello |
| 06:09.26 | cmihai | Mestapheles: yup. But now I use RAID-0 :) |
| 06:09.43 | nvz | you know, the Dr Suess book where they have a war because one side likes their butter on top of the bread and the other likes it on the bottom 8) |
| 06:09.46 | Mestapheles | you like? |
| 06:09.57 | kadigibox | why would someone beg to be banned |
| 06:10.01 | RedDrake | in what file must I put what, to make a kernel module autoload at boot with some special options? |
| 06:10.14 | cmihai | just pack the swap closer to the outer tracks... and the stuff like /var. For tmp, use tmpfs :) |
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| 06:10.19 | stevarino | dpkg -L only lists files in /usr/share/doc... that can't be right, can it? |
| 06:10.20 | dpkg | No packages found matching only lists files in /usr/share/doc... that can't be right, can it |
| 06:10.27 | jm_ | redra;man modprobe ; man modules |
| 06:10.31 | nvz | kadigibox: why would someone complain about the side the butter is on? you can flip it over ffs 8) |
| 06:10.33 | RedDrake | ll |
| 06:10.35 | RedDrake | kk |
| 06:10.57 | jm_ | stvear;it is right |
| 06:11.03 | jm_ | gah stupid typos |
| 06:11.09 | cmihai | Mestapheles: but with RAID, it won't make much of a diff... |
| 06:11.37 | stevarino | jm_: k, where are the binaries then? if i want to execute a php script, how? |
| 06:12.26 | Mestapheles | I'm thinking of redoing a dual-partition which is all backed up just to take advantage of this speed |
| 06:12.28 | jm_ | stevarino: install appropriate package - there's one for web server, then there's one which includes PHP4 binary if you want to execute it on command line and whatnot |
| 06:12.58 | stevarino | jm_: yah, i'm actually looking for both, and i thought i had them.. php4 should be the standalone, right? |
| 06:13.09 | jm_ | stevarino: no |
| 06:13.39 | stevarino | oh |
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| 06:16.30 | StijnT | anyone here managed to compile fglrx driver from flavio's packages with 2.6.12 and gcc4 ? |
| 06:17.20 | nvz | you know I never realized the moral to that book when I was a child |
| 06:17.43 | z|bandito | whats the command to scan a port range? |
| 06:17.51 | dondelelcaro | z|bandito: nmap. |
| 06:17.54 | nvz | z|bandito: nmap |
| 06:18.00 | z|bandito | thanks |
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| 06:18.36 | RemyHome | hey folks, anyone know where I can get support for some X problems? |
| 06:18.58 | nvz | RemyHome: X problems? |
| 06:19.00 | RemyHome | I've managed to configure my mouse to one that doesn't work, and am not sure how to change it back from a shell only login |
| 06:19.05 | RemyHome | x windows |
| 06:19.07 | RemyHome | GUI |
| 06:19.15 | liable | !drxx RemyHome |
| 06:19.16 | dpkg | RemyHome: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:19.40 | jm_ | !x windows |
| 06:19.41 | dpkg | It's X dammit!, or ask me about x windows trap. A) The X Window System. B) X |
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| 06:19.48 | z|bandito | how do you attach a windows network share? |
| 06:19.56 | z|bandito | using samba? |
| 06:20.31 | nvz | z|bandito: need to load smbfs driver in kernel and install smbclient and smbfs packages |
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| 06:20.40 | nvz | z|bandito: then use mount or smbmount |
| 06:20.45 | RemyHome | will that work on mandrake linux also, or only on debian ? |
| 06:20.50 | z|bandito | ok thanks |
| 06:20.59 | StijnT | z|bandito: if it's an XP box --> use CIFS |
| 06:21.03 | nvz | !htfswk |
| 06:21.03 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 06:21.26 | z|bandito | CIFS? |
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| 06:21.48 | StijnT | z|bandito: yes; it's also a network filesystem like smbfs but newer and better |
| 06:21.49 | z|bandito | is that part of samba?.. |
| 06:21.57 | z|bandito | i see |
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| 06:22.49 | StijnT | damn fglrx crap :( |
| 06:22.55 | kaharas | hi all.. i've a problem... when i run some application in icewm, the font their uses is too small.. someone knews how to make it bigger? i'm using debian... |
| 06:22.59 | z|bandito | i don't think it's in the ubuntu package tree |
| 06:23.10 | z|bandito | i did apt-cache search cifs |
| 06:23.11 | stevarino | okay, i'm lost... how do i get php setup on debian? |
| 06:23.32 | z|bandito | apt-get install apache , apt-get install php5 |
| 06:23.38 | dondelelcaro | stevarino: install apache, install libapache-mod-php4; live long and prosper. |
| 06:23.38 | jm_ | kaharas: icewm has got nothing to do with the font that applications use |
| 06:23.41 | z|bandito | as root |
| 06:24.04 | stevarino | z|bandito: i'm actually looking for command line parsing first |
| 06:24.13 | kaharas | jm_ ... ok, then how can i change my sisem settings? |
| 06:24.47 | nvz | !yinzersmite kaharas |
| 06:24.50 | jm_ | kaharas: setting for what? |
| 06:24.58 | dondelelcaro | stevarino: then apt-get install php4-cli |
| 06:25.02 | deefzi | what port did ftp use besides 21? for i believe having heard, that it used one port for the actual data-traffic (i.e 21) and another for transferring the directory archives or so. |
| 06:25.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell stevarino -about search |
| 06:25.06 | nvz | his sisem, dont you speak yinzer ;) |
| 06:25.30 | kaharas | jm_ ... how can I make application font bigger? |
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| 06:26.04 | jm_ | kaharas: what kind of application is this? |
| 06:26.14 | jm_ | deefzi: grep ftp /etc/services |
| 06:26.25 | StijnT | z|bandito: you just have to mount -t cifs |
| 06:26.30 | kaharas | jm_ lots of application... vcl, amule and so on |
| 06:26.57 | kaharas | *vlc pardon |
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| 06:27.40 | jm_ | kaharas: what's your DPI set to? |
| 06:28.29 | StijnT | z|bandito: or try (man) mount.cifs |
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| 06:28.46 | z|bandito | how do i find the share first/? |
| 06:28.59 | bhuvan | can any one help me on how to set nvidia drivers on unstable |
| 06:29.02 | bhuvan | system |
| 06:29.05 | StijnT | z|bandito: lol, u should know what share you want to mount ... |
| 06:29.16 | z|bandito | i'm not sure what it's called |
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| 06:29.28 | StijnT | z|bandito: then check it |
| 06:29.39 | Nigel | Anyone know where i could get pgsql7.4 packages still? |
| 06:29.42 | nvz | z|bandito: Install smbclient |
| 06:29.47 | z|bandito | but it would show in the network neighborhood thing under windows, so there must be a way to see available shares, ne? |
| 06:29.57 | z|bandito | i'm trying with smbclient atm |
| 06:30.05 | bhuvan | i have downloaded the src from nvidia site and compiled it it works for the first time but when i restart my x it xserver shows an error saying seg fault caught 11 |
| 06:30.08 | nvz | z|bandito: smbclient -L host |
| 06:30.15 | z|bandito | ah thanks |
| 06:30.56 | deefzi | jm_, humn. my concern was right. 20 is for ftp default-data, but is that required to be open? |
| 06:30.59 | deefzi | jm_, any idea? |
| 06:31.36 | z|bandito | you don't need 20 open to ftp |
| 06:31.40 | z|bandito | only 21 afaik |
| 06:31.46 | bhuvan | deefzi: i thing 21 is the ftp port! |
| 06:31.54 | nvz | depending of course on your configuration |
| 06:31.56 | jm_ | deefzi: it depends on what kind of connections your clients make (passive vs. active) |
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| 06:32.09 | deefzi | bhuvan, i know. |
| 06:32.13 | kofj | how can I write into a fat32 partition?with what option to mount fat32? |
| 06:32.16 | bhuvan | ok |
| 06:32.26 | dondelelcaro | !vfatrw |
| 06:32.27 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 06:32.32 | dondelelcaro | kofj: ^^^ |
| 06:32.36 | bhuvan | deefzi can you help me out on this problem of nvidia |
| 06:32.42 | deefzi | jm_, oh. so 20 is required to be open besides 21, if someone of my clients is using passive connection (nat)? |
| 06:32.49 | kofj | thank you :) |
| 06:32.58 | deefzi | bhuvan, i sucksors @ linux. |
| 06:33.06 | bhuvan | deefzi i have downloaded the src from nvidia site and compiled it it works for the first time but when i restart my x it xserver shows an error saying seg fault caught 11 |
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| 06:33.34 | deefzi | jm_, but 21 alone if connection's active? |
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| 06:34.52 | bhuvan | please some one help me |
| 06:34.53 | bhuvan | on this |
| 06:34.58 | bhuvan | problem of nvidia |
| 06:34.59 | z|bandito | hmm, password needed just to see shares? i thought it didn't ask for a password until you attempt to actually use an available share |
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| 06:36.10 | nvz | z|bandito: most cases you can leave that blank |
| 06:36.21 | z|bandito | oh. heh. |
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| 06:36.39 | usernameDeb01 | ello all |
| 06:36.43 | nvz | z|bandito: as long as there is a mapped guest user on the host it has always worked for me |
| 06:37.16 | usernameDeb01 | does it break sarge to upgrade OOo please? |
| 06:37.26 | z|bandito | Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 06:37.29 | z|bandito | doh |
| 06:37.33 | jm_ | deefzi: you can read about this on the web, http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html |
| 06:37.36 | dondelelcaro | z|bandito: so enter the right username and password. |
| 06:37.40 | dondelelcaro | z|bandito: read about the -U option. |
| 06:37.55 | z|bandito | ok thanks |
| 06:38.00 | dondelelcaro | usernameDeb01: if you must, use a backport; don't use unstable's verison. |
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| 06:38.42 | usernameDeb01 | appreciate input dondelelcaro .. ill google 'backport' thanks |
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| 07:02.24 | dpblnt | how is /tmp created during install or debootstrap? |
| 07:02.59 | dondelelcaro | dpblnt: with mkdir |
| 07:03.59 | dpblnt | dondelelcaro, i guessed it. is it part of any package? i can't find the mkdir command in the debootstrap script. |
| 07:05.23 | deadcat | dpblnt: look harder |
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| 07:07.08 | dpblnt | deadcat, i see it, it's in base-files |
| 07:07.38 | deadcat | dpblnt: good show lad. |
| 07:07.41 | dpblnt | deadcat, but dpkg -S /tmp did nothing :( |
| 07:07.56 | deefzi | does anyone know what port does ddclient use? |
| 07:08.06 | dondelelcaro | dpblnt: because only files are registered. |
| 07:08.12 | deadcat | deefzi: netstat -plunt |
| 07:08.24 | dondelelcaro | there's no point in registering directories with dpkg |
| 07:08.39 | deefzi | deadcat, the problem is that my server is currently n/a :) |
| 07:08.50 | deadcat | deefzi: then no need to ask |
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| 07:11.42 | mwilson | wow |
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| 07:12.21 | dondelelcaro | bsg? |
| 07:12.30 | gavin_s | big sandwich game |
| 07:12.35 | deadcat | let me guess. illegally downloaded |
| 07:13.01 | mwilson | No, scifi channel, silly person |
| 07:13.10 | mwilson | Well, a tape from scifi channe. |
| 07:13.16 | dondelelcaro | oh, battlestar galactica |
| 07:13.21 | deadcat | that channel should be banned |
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| 07:13.32 | mwilson | Oh? Why? |
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| 07:14.11 | mwilson | I shouldn't tape things to watch later? |
| 07:14.13 | deadcat | theres NOTHING good on that channel. although i dont even know what channel that is |
| 07:15.33 | Rangitoto | I am on the "Debian software selection" screen of the sarge installer. What do I put between the square brackets on each line which I want to select? |
| 07:15.48 | deadcat | Rangitoto: exit it |
| 07:15.55 | mwilson | There's little good on television at all... most of it is mindless dribble. But BSG has its moments. |
| 07:16.00 | dondelelcaro | Rangitoto: just hit y or similar. |
| 07:16.18 | dondelelcaro | * also works, iirc. |
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| 07:16.48 | mwilson | Usually right about the time I'm going to discontinue my cable TV, something decent shows up. But one decent program isn't enough. |
| 07:16.59 | liable | Rangitoto: hit the spacbar |
| 07:17.04 | gavin_s | debian for three coffee cakes |
| 07:17.30 | floppyears | hi |
| 07:17.48 | floppyears | some of the folders in my home directory have 000 as their permission bits |
| 07:18.00 | Rangitoto | The space bar worked but "y" didn't. Thanks. |
| 07:18.05 | floppyears | the problems is that if I do chmod -R 755 * it will affect not only the folders but also regular files |
| 07:18.06 | mwilson | floppyears: Yes, so? |
| 07:18.08 | floppyears | any help |
| 07:18.18 | sep | floppyears, that's why you chmod each individual file |
| 07:18.27 | floppyears | sep: I know |
| 07:18.29 | mwilson | So don't use a wildcard. This is supposed to be rocket science? |
| 07:18.41 | floppyears | is there a way to apply a chmod command only to folders ? |
| 07:18.55 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: find . -type d -print0 |xargs -0 chmod... |
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| 07:19.00 | mwilson | You could use find, but you're over-engineering the problem. |
| 07:19.03 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: man find, man xargs, man chmod. |
| 07:19.13 | gavin_s | man this man that |
| 07:19.13 | floppyears | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 07:19.13 | mwilson | How many folders can you possibly have? |
| 07:19.15 | sep | floppyears, if you must, you can do a find for permissions 000 and directories and feed that to chmod. |
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| 07:20.08 | gavin_s | man man |
| 07:20.12 | sep | floppyears, are there content in those directories ? i tend to et 000 to directories intended for mounting, to avoid accidental writing into it. |
| 07:20.18 | mwilson | Or take about five seconds with something like midnight commander or the equivalent, tag them all, and set them however you like. |
| 07:20.51 | floppyears | sep: no these are just regular folders with simple files, I was careless when I did chmod :( |
| 07:20.58 | sep | ahh |
| 07:20.59 | jm_ | or just use a shell that lets you do this directly |
| 07:21.13 | dondelelcaro | chmod isn't directly enough? |
| 07:21.23 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Apparently not. |
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| 07:21.34 | deadcat | he wants the exact command. |
| 07:22.09 | deadcat | floppyears: heres my advice. you might not like it. but ... dont use debian |
| 07:22.22 | dondelelcaro | hrm... counting the number of directories in ~ just in the local filesystem is taking a while... |
| 07:22.39 | jm_ | it is, but many shells won't let you run chmod xyz <dirsonly> |
| 07:23.19 | dondelelcaro | $ find ~ -xdev -type d 2>/dev/null |wc -l; yields 36922... |
| 07:23.29 | peterS | jm_: any shell should let you chmod xyz */ |
| 07:23.34 | floppyears | deadcat: thanks, but I thinkd I'll pass on that advice |
| 07:23.46 | peterS | jm_: the shell will respect the trailing / and only hit dirs or symlinks to dirs |
| 07:23.46 | jm_ | peterS: yes, but then you can't tell it to chmod only the files |
| 07:23.58 | peterS | jm_: right |
| 07:24.28 | floppyears | deadcat: the only reason why I have ever wondered about switching from debian after using it for 3 years is due to certain people like you in their community |
| 07:24.33 | floppyears | who are not welcoming |
| 07:24.34 | floppyears | :( |
| 07:24.43 | jm_ | I always forget the */ thing because I got used to zsh |
| 07:24.45 | deadcat | floppyears: thats life |
| 07:24.45 | peterS | jm_: well, I say "any shell" but I don't actually know this. maybe some shells don't have that behavior for wildcards |
| 07:25.05 | deadcat | floppyears: some people are just not ment to use debian. |
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| 07:25.15 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: dude, that's really not necessary at all. |
| 07:25.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: my bad. (= |
| 07:25.33 | Maliuta | floopyears: some of us get sick of dealing with the same newbie issues over and over again |
| 07:25.36 | floppyears | deadcat: I know, unfortunately some people are very bad at user support |
| 07:25.37 | gavin_s | but sometimes it happens twice |
| 07:25.41 | jm_ | peterS: tried it on Solaris and it works with ksh, but not with sh |
| 07:25.46 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: there's no point in elitism; if dealing with newbie issues is a problem, just ignore the newbies. |
| 07:25.51 | Maliuta | floppyears: and sick of people not reading dam man pages or tryting google |
| 07:26.08 | mwilson | User support, of course, being defined as working out the command for you so that you don't have to. |
| 07:26.21 | floppyears | Maliuta: I had googled that topic but trying to explain it with keywords was hard |
| 07:26.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i didnt say anything about elitism. and i hate this word.. |
| 07:26.52 | dondelelcaro | Maliuta: if that's a serious issue, for you, I strongly suggest avoiding #debian; that sort of stuff happens all the time. (either that, or be prepared to use /ignore a lot.) |
| 07:27.19 | Maliuta | dondelcaro: I think i have hung out here enough to know |
| 07:27.20 | floppyears | mwilson: I'm not typing in the command blindly. I understand 98% of what it does |
| 07:27.41 | floppyears | I just didn't think that find could specify things like directory |
| 07:28.04 | DJ_Necrogami | "hey how do i instaill new software" ... KIDDING .. im only kidding guys |
| 07:28.06 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: find can do a lot of things. It has a entire manual with tens of pages; (and no, the manpage is not the manual) |
| 07:28.28 | gavin_s | man manpage |
| 07:28.33 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: It's part of the real world that person (A) will know things that person (B) does not. That doesn't make that knowledge elitist, it simply *is*. |
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| 07:28.45 | floppyears | dondelelcaro: I had tried reading the man page a few times but unfortunately it has so many lines that it's too much for reading :( |
| 07:28.57 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Yet person (A) will constantly be labeled as such. |
| 07:29.06 | jm_ | heh typical, abandoned reading it because it's big ;) |
| 07:29.09 | tech9iner | k.. lost on reseting display configs Please ? |
| 07:29.14 | tech9iner | must be using wrong terms on google.. |
| 07:29.18 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: no; the atitude itself is the elitist issue; that people have different knowledge bases is a given. |
| 07:29.19 | tech9iner | 2nd laptop didnt get resolution / video configs same as 1st laptop did?.. |
| 07:29.25 | tech9iner | not sure why here.. |
| 07:29.30 | tech9iner | what command to call up video configs Please ?.. |
| 07:29.37 | tech9iner | (i come from 'system-config-display -reset'.. no such beast here.. searched faq wiki.. googled.. lost.. ) |
| 07:29.47 | dondelelcaro | tech9iner: you're going to have to be a whole lot less vague about what you're talking about. |
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| 07:29.53 | jm_ | tech9iner: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 07:30.04 | tech9iner | thanks jm_ ;] |
| 07:30.23 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Personally, I'm quite proud of the fact that I know a lot about certain subjects. |
| 07:30.36 | floppyears | jm_: yes. For example, the fvwm man pages has thousands of lines. How do they expect a user to read that |
| 07:30.36 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: well, if you're going to give up on reading the manpage, there's really not much that we're going to be able to do for you. |
| 07:30.37 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: That too, is not elitist, it simply *is*. |
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| 07:31.12 | floppyears | dondelelcaro: I like reading man pages, but it's not like. I don't have anything to do so I'll just read the whole man page which might contain thousands of lines |
| 07:31.15 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: sure; I'm primarily concerned about an unwillingness to share that knowledge. That's the elitist aspect. |
| 07:31.15 | gavin_s | dondelelcaro: you're saying that if someone won't read 5000 pages, you won't help them? |
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| 07:31.27 | Maliuta | tech9iner: try vi /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 07:31.44 | tech9iner | Maliuta thanks mate.. ;] |
| 07:31.49 | dondelelcaro | gavin_s: read what I said again carefully... |
| 07:31.50 | aaron | gavin_s I will help even if you dont read man pages |
| 07:31.56 | jm_ | floppyears: the point is that you don't need to read it all at once |
| 07:32.00 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Having an unwillingness to prop up someone not willing to do the same work is not elitist. |
| 07:32.04 | gavin_s | dondelelcaro: I read it three times, including your man page |
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| 07:32.42 | floppyears | jm_: true |
| 07:32.50 | floppyears | jm_: but let's say you are a new user to fvwm |
| 07:32.59 | gavin_s | aaron: great |
| 07:33.10 | floppyears | jm_: I don't think in that case reading the man page is a good thing. You will be bored before you get half way done |
| 07:33.13 | jm_ | floppyears: it had very little documentation when I was a new user to fvwm ;) |
| 07:33.16 | mwilson | floppyears: Sounds good... then you most certainly should be reading the documentation. |
| 07:33.47 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: again, there's a difference between proping someone up and imparting the information; However, in neither case is hostility towards the person requesting assistance the answer. |
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| 07:34.09 | dondelelcaro | gavin_s: so where exactly did I state that "if someone won't read 5000 pages, [I wouldn't] help them?" |
| 07:34.36 | gavin_s | dondelelcaro: "well, if you're going to give up on reading the manpage, there's really not much that we're going to be able to do for you" |
| 07:34.43 | floppyears | mwilson: yes, but it should not be thousands of lines. What happened to user friendlines :( |
| 07:35.07 | aaron | gavin & don: back to helping fellow programmers :-) |
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| 07:35.13 | floppyears | mwilson: should dd just say we don't care too much about user friendliness let them go to ubuntu ? |
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| 07:35.55 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: find is a complex program with tons of options; you can do amazing things with find. A few thousand lines is nothing for a manual. |
| 07:36.05 | mwilson | floppyears: Sorry, you're trolling the wrong person... I couldn't care less whether someone switches to Ubuntu or Fedora or anything else. |
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| 07:36.35 | mwilson | floppyears: The software they choose to use, or not use, is entirely their own problem. |
| 07:36.35 | floppyears | dondelelcaro: true, maybe tutorials are more useful in certain cases |
| 07:36.36 | aaron | can someone help me get azureus and java working properly on debian |
| 07:36.48 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: there are tutorials in info find; |
| 07:37.02 | floppyears | aaron: donwload the java executable from sun's website and you're good to go |
| 07:37.04 | aaron | i cant seem to get the "right" java version |
| 07:37.17 | floppyears | dondelelcaro: oh, my :O |
| 07:37.22 | aaron | floppy: i've downloaded and dpkg many versions of the java |
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| 07:37.27 | jm_ | aara;yes, many people can |
| 07:37.28 | aaron | JRE, JVM etc |
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| 07:37.39 | aaron | it keeps telling me i dont have the new version |
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| 07:37.47 | aaron | and i know i have 1.3.whatever |
| 07:37.47 | floppyears | mwilson: true |
| 07:37.51 | kofj | guys ,what msn client are you using in debian? |
| 07:38.02 | jm_ | 1.3? that's very old |
| 07:38.02 | SimonRaven | none |
| 07:38.05 | landon| | kofj: i use irssi for msn |
| 07:38.05 | aaron | msn messenger? |
| 07:38.11 | landon| | kofj: and a plugin, of course |
| 07:38.12 | floppyears | aaron: what version have you installed ? |
| 07:38.18 | kofj | I am using gaim |
| 07:38.24 | aaron | floppy hang on |
| 07:38.29 | landon| | kofj: bitlbee |
| 07:38.32 | kofj | but I am not satisfied |
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| 07:39.15 | kofj | have you tried mercury? |
| 07:39.45 | Bangers | is it possible in VI, to create an alias |
| 07:39.53 | Bangers | I want to create a single keystroke, which either comments the line im on |
| 07:39.56 | aaron | floppy j2se 1.4.2.08 |
| 07:39.56 | Bangers | or removes the comment |
| 07:40.07 | floppyears | aaron: then maybe you don't have the latest version in your $PATH |
| 07:40.22 | aaron | floppy... help me set that up |
| 07:40.26 | nemo | so who here, being familiar with logrotate, can provide a clue why it's rotating postfix logs daily when nothing in any logrotate config indicates daily for anything? |
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| 07:41.07 | floppyears | Bangers: it is complicated because the comment style changes depending on the language |
| 07:41.22 | aaron | floppy: where do i setup the $path for java |
| 07:41.31 | Bangers | I just want to care about bash style comments |
| 07:41.33 | Bangers | with '#' |
| 07:41.45 | Bangers | at the start of the line |
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| 07:41.46 | floppyears | aaron: what version do you have installed ? |
| 07:41.56 | aaron | what version of java? |
| 07:42.06 | aaron | J2SE v 1.4.2_08 JRE |
| 07:42.11 | dimir | Morning. |
| 07:42.43 | floppyears | aaron: what do you get when you do "which java" |
| 07:43.03 | aaron | "nothing" |
| 07:43.35 | floppyears | where do you usually install java ? in /usr/local ? |
| 07:43.48 | floppyears | Bangers: are you trying to comment a whole bunch of lines at once ? |
| 07:44.18 | aaron | i know i did |
| 07:44.20 | aaron | hmm |
| 07:44.31 | Bangers | floppyears: no, well kinda. I would just like to have my OWN predefined alias, so if I hit that key combination |
| 07:44.36 | Bangers | it will comment or uncomment that line |
| 07:44.37 | Bangers | nothing else |
| 07:44.54 | aaron | floppy: i'll start over |
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| 07:46.10 | floppyears | Bangers: I don't know how to create that mapping. To comment a whole bunch of lines at once I do the following in normal mode: ^ , Ctrl+V , j (select lines) , I, # |
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| 07:46.34 | haxor | I was wondering is there anyway to slim down the stuff the kernel loads during boot. stuff like sata is starting and i dont even have an sata harddrive |
| 07:46.44 | jm_ | Bangers: vim has built-in scripting, there's also vim-perl and so on |
| 07:46.56 | tech9iner | okay.. stll lost here sadly mates.. |
| 07:47.00 | Maliuta | haxor: hand com[pile your kernel |
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| 07:47.10 | floppyears | haxor: yes compile your own kernel and compile only the modules you need |
| 07:47.12 | tech9iner | my 2nd sarge install isnt working same as 1st one did? |
| 07:47.20 | Maliuta | haxo: I would recomend using the stuff from kernel-package to doit |
| 07:47.23 | tech9iner | same exact model of laptops strangely |
| 07:47.50 | dimir | haxor: what kernel do you have? |
| 07:47.52 | tech9iner | this one isnt offering me display resolution of 1024x768.. 1st is fine? |
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| 07:48.25 | haxor | dimir, Linux demudi 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 #1 Mon May 30 22:15:15 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:48.28 | tech9iner | so how to reset the probe for display Please ?.. dont know what terminology to ask dpkg here Please |
| 07:48.33 | floppyears | aaron: donwload the jre or jsdk from the sun website. Choose the binary one. |
| 07:48.44 | aaron | floppy: ok i unpacked the JRE... should i move the java folder to /usr/local/bin |
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| 07:48.51 | ke6isf | tech9iner: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:49.11 | tech9iner | some1 else advised same thanks ke6isf but.. |
| 07:49.16 | haxor | dimir, just goto /usr/src make menuconfig? |
| 07:49.21 | floppyears | aaron: you should have a new folder now |
| 07:49.29 | ke6isf | tech9iner: Doesn't work? |
| 07:49.33 | tech9iner | that actually ask for some strange number ive never ever seen in 3 yrs of display changes? |
| 07:49.36 | aaron | floppy: a new folder in usr/local/bin? |
| 07:50.09 | ke6isf | tech9iner: Did you ask dpkg about 'laptop' yet? |
| 07:50.32 | liable | tech9iner: what do you mean? it normally gives a list of resolutions top ick |
| 07:50.41 | tech9iner | rofl.. no ke6isf .. not laptop.. makes silly sense when you ask me though |
| 07:50.53 | floppyears | aaron: can you give me a link to the java version you downloaded so I can follow along ? |
| 07:50.53 | aaron | floppy: i have a new folder that was unpacked.. what do i need to do with it |
| 07:50.56 | dimir | haxor: actually there was a way to configure it not load specific modules during boot, I'm trying to recall what was the cofig file... |
| 07:51.01 | haxor | i thought there was an easier way then recompiling the whole kernel to change the modules that loaded during boot |
| 07:51.04 | floppyears | aaron: you need to go inside that folder |
| 07:51.08 | tech9iner | liable gave me video card brand names.. only one match for neomagic |
| 07:51.13 | aaron | floppy : http://192.18.97.50/ECom/EComTicketServlet/BEGINC775C1BE813F13B5D15FBC1299256E76/-2147483648/976176483/1/606878/606830/976176483/2ts+/westCoastFSEND/j2re-1.4.2_08-oth-JPR/j2re-1.4.2_08-oth-JPR:5/j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin |
| 07:51.15 | ke6isf | tech9iner: It's 00:51 in these parts. Understandable if you're zoning out. |
| 07:51.18 | dimir | haxor: of course, give me a sec |
| 07:51.26 | mwilson | wtf is THAT!? |
| 07:51.31 | tech9iner | ke6isf heh.. thanks for the cya heh |
| 07:51.41 | haxor | dimir, i know it has something to do with depmod |
| 07:51.56 | liable | tech9iner: yeah, but what about resolutions? |
| 07:51.57 | tech9iner | no clue here why 2 identical laptops ended up different for sure? |
| 07:52.28 | dimir | haxor: nope, wait a sec |
| 07:52.30 | haxor | dimir, cant i make menuconfig, edit what i want, exit, make modules_install, depmod |
| 07:52.41 | enyc | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.44 | haxor | o |
| 07:53.20 | tech9iner | during installation it did same as i recall 1st laptop did.. it offered me 1024x768 @60hz.. but.. once all way into desktop.. i arrived at rough looking resolution at 800x600? |
| 07:53.23 | tech9iner | no clue |
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| 07:54.00 | crispynix-v6 | enyc: that was gay |
| 07:54.03 | liable | tech9iner: can you paste the config on paster? |
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| 07:54.42 | aaron | floppy: were you able to get it |
| 07:54.55 | floppyears | aaron: just a sec |
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| 07:55.25 | VerusMaya | hey, does anyone by any chance have any experience with the amd64 port? |
| 07:55.46 | tech9iner | paster liable ?.. sorry.. seen reference to paster but ? |
| 07:55.49 | liable | VerusMaya: #debian-amd64 |
| 07:55.52 | VerusMaya | o0o |
| 07:55.57 | VerusMaya | perfect :) |
| 07:56.00 | VerusMaya | thanks |
| 07:56.11 | liable | !tell tech9iner about paste |
| 07:56.28 | tech9iner | rofl.. |
| 07:56.33 | floppyears | aaron: did you go through the license agreement and all that when you executed the binary ? |
| 07:56.37 | tech9iner | nice bought once u learn its language.. hehe |
| 07:56.58 | tech9iner | he.. auto replace doesnt like 'bot' heh |
| 07:56.59 | larrikin | has anyone successfully gotten ssh to forward a port using the debians openbsdish build of sshd .. with tcpwrappers ? |
| 07:57.00 | aaron | floppy: yes |
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| 07:57.40 | aaron | floppy: it then unpacked a folder which i have |
| 07:57.51 | peterS | larrikin: what does tcpwrappers have to do with port forwarding? once you've opened the ssh connection successfully, I don't think libwrap is called to check anything about forwarded ports |
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| 07:58.07 | larrikin | peterS: yes I think it does.. |
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| 07:58.51 | space_cow_boy | could someone tell me how to install the j2re, so that mozilla can use it? |
| 07:58.55 | space_cow_boy | which directory? |
| 07:58.59 | jm_ | space_cow_boy: /msg dpkg java |
| 07:59.23 | floppyears | aaron: then go into the folder |
| 07:59.31 | aaron | floppy ok |
| 07:59.32 | larrikin | peterS: openssh with tcpwrappers mentions the need for sshdfwd-<port>: ALLOWED-IPS in one of your /etc/hosts.* files |
| 07:59.33 | peterS | larrikin: well, if other services are using tcpwrappers and you're trying to get to those services via ssh forwarding, certainly you have to take that into account |
| 08:00.03 | larrikin | which I've done btw |
| 08:00.12 | peterS | larrikin: oh, maybe this is a new development. I don't remember anything like that |
| 08:01.06 | larrikin | peterS: this sort of stuff happens when the application itself is built with libtcpwrap support |
| 08:01.20 | larrikin | but in any case I can't get it to work.. |
| 08:01.26 | floppyears | aaron: you're done now you have java in your system |
| 08:01.33 | peterS | larrikin: it can. the app has no obligation to do all that. |
| 08:01.35 | floppyears | aaron: now you have to update your path so that it points to it |
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| 08:01.53 | aaron | floppy ok where do i update the path |
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| 08:02.16 | floppyears | aaron: in your ~/.bashrc file |
| 08:02.19 | larrikin | peterS: well openssh talks about being built with libtcpwrap support .. but I don't know about debians use of the openbsd version having same.. |
| 08:02.22 | aaron | ah ok |
| 08:02.52 | peterS | larrikin: debian uses Portable Openssh, and certainly compiles it with libwrap. |
| 08:03.02 | larrikin | I'll look into the bugs against it.. |
| 08:03.03 | floppyears | aaron: what is the full path of the folder that got unpacked ? |
| 08:03.07 | jm_ | larrikin: apt-cache show will answer your question, or ldd |
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| 08:04.25 | SimonRaven | clueless aren't you |
| 08:04.56 | liable | hah, poor bugger. |
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| 08:06.04 | donkeymonkey | hi |
| 08:06.07 | floppyears | aaron: go to the unpacked folder and type "pwd" to find out the full path |
| 08:06.09 | donkeymonkey | I've got a problem with starting XServer. |
| 08:06.16 | SimonRaven | really now |
| 08:06.27 | mwilson | I swear, much as I dislike crapfox, I'm gonna put it on each of these d*mn PC's and remove IE. |
| 08:06.47 | donkeymonkey | when I want to start it it tells me: |
| 08:06.50 | SimonRaven | mwilson: it is better than ie. at least they bother patching it |
| 08:07.26 | SimonRaven | mwilson: be doing the people using those boxen a favour... |
| 08:07.32 | donkeymonkey | fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining |
| 08:07.36 | mwilson | SimonRaven: Now if I could just find a way to block all this crap that's getting installed on machines. |
| 08:07.40 | donkeymonkey | what did I wrong? |
| 08:08.47 | mwilson | If I didn't have VNC-over-ssh through the firewall, I wouldn't be doing it. |
| 08:09.11 | ricky_clarkson | Is it wrong to bounce IRC via my boss's computer? |
| 08:09.16 | SimonRaven | donkeymonkey: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log depending on what you have installed, and see what's there. don't paste in here, use paster (/whois paster) |
| 08:09.34 | donkeymonkey | I can't paste.. I'm using BitchX;) |
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| 08:10.47 | donkeymonkey | Preinit failed for input device "Configured mouse" |
| 08:10.50 | donkeymonkey | hmm |
| 08:10.50 | donkeymonkey | strange |
| 08:10.54 | donkeymonkey | it works on Knoppix |
| 08:10.58 | deadcat | donkeymonkey: dont paste |
| 08:11.03 | deadcat | !tell donkeymonkey about enter |
| 08:11.13 | donkeymonkey | Deadcat |
| 08:11.20 | donkeymonkey | I haven't pasted anyway. |
| 08:11.46 | donkeymonkey | Please help me! |
| 08:11.58 | liable | !drxx donkeymonkey |
| 08:11.59 | dpkg | donkeymonkey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:12.08 | ofer0 | thats im switching to debian right now (from ubuntu). i hope i`ll have phun :P |
| 08:12.20 | dimir | haxor: what was the module you do not want to load? |
| 08:12.24 | ofer0 | (remove the "thats") |
| 08:13.28 | donkeymonkey | which Xserver driver should I select |
| 08:13.38 | donkeymonkey | vga? |
| 08:13.47 | Guerin | donkeymonkey: what card do you have? |
| 08:13.50 | liable | donkeymonkey: the one for your video card of course. |
| 08:13.58 | donkeymonkey | NVidia |
| 08:14.01 | donkeymonkey | but there is no Nvidia |
| 08:14.01 | Guerin | nv |
| 08:14.03 | donkeymonkey | yep |
| 08:14.08 | donkeymonkey | I did that before, too.. |
| 08:14.12 | Guerin | and it worked |
| 08:14.20 | Guerin | the error you got was not about your video card |
| 08:14.29 | liable | donkeymonkey: its your mouse that was wrong from the error you posted |
| 08:14.35 | donkeymonkey | yep |
| 08:14.36 | Guerin | unless you think your video card has something to do with your mouse |
| 08:15.06 | donkeymonkey | No I don't think so.. |
| 08:15.11 | donkeymonkey | what's my mouse input? |
| 08:15.17 | liable | donkeymonkey: what kind of mouse? |
| 08:15.18 | donkeymonkey | -/dev/input/mice |
| 08:15.19 | donkeymonkey | ? |
| 08:15.22 | donkeymonkey | PS2 - Mouse |
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| 08:15.46 | tarzeau | !seen greycat |
| 08:15.46 | dpkg | greycat <rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 11h 37m 22s ago, saying: 'Spec: yes'. |
| 08:15.48 | liable | then yes /dev/input/mice (or psaux) |
| 08:15.54 | tarzeau | i keep getting asked: What licence does the debian-faq-wiki use? |
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| 08:16.17 | tarzeau | i'd love it to be GFDL just to piss of Debian ;) |
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| 08:16.27 | descript | hello |
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| 08:17.14 | gusar612 | What is the recommended way to make bind auto start on boot? |
| 08:17.22 | Guerin | tarzeau: gpl |
| 08:17.39 | Guerin | tarzeau: make people provide WikiSource :) |
| 08:17.47 | tarzeau | Guerin: gnu gpl. and how can we say it's that? shouldn't we ask all the listed contributors at the bottom first? |
| 08:17.52 | Guerin | gusar612: installing it works pretty well |
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| 08:18.08 | tarzeau | Guerin: i'd rather go for artistic license or WTFPL |
| 08:18.26 | Guerin | tarzeau: creative commons sharealike |
| 08:18.31 | tarzeau | Guerin: NO WAY |
| 08:18.34 | Guerin | hahah |
| 08:18.40 | tarzeau | Guerin: i am strcitly against CC anything |
| 08:18.45 | Guerin | you're not seeing the sarcasm yet, are you? |
| 08:18.50 | tarzeau | yes i think i do ;) |
| 08:18.56 | tarzeau | not yet awaky |
| 08:19.04 | Guerin | neither am i |
| 08:19.09 | Guerin | and i'm finished work |
| 08:19.15 | descript | is it normal that bind9 from sid bind two other port different of 53 ? |
| 08:19.18 | Guerin | it's been one hell of a week |
| 08:19.24 | tarzeau | descript: yes |
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| 08:19.31 | descript | why plz ? |
| 08:19.37 | gusar612 | Guerin: it doesnt run for me then... |
| 08:19.41 | donkeymonkey | still the same |
| 08:19.44 | tarzeau | Guerin: why so? today in switzerland is national party day, no werk ;) |
| 08:19.46 | descript | tarzeau: i do not ask it to do that... |
| 08:19.56 | tarzeau | Guerin: and the cool thing, foreigners don't have to werk either, eh |
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| 08:20.08 | tarzeau | descript: so? RTFM |
| 08:20.26 | tarzeau | descript: one is to control it remotely |
| 08:20.35 | tarzeau | descript: which other ports do you mean exactly? |
| 08:20.42 | liable | donkeymonkey: check the log again. |
| 08:20.48 | Guerin | tarzeau: heh, nice |
| 08:20.51 | donkeymonkey | xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice;Configured Mouse: cannot open input device; PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse" |
| 08:20.58 | descript | tarzeau: 3276x |
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| 08:21.42 | Guerin | tarzeau: i spent the whole of last week in china, fell off the great wall, and spent three days hobbling from bar to bar, spent five hours in an emergency room yesterday, and started work at 0830 this am |
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| 08:21.51 | descript | tarzeau: i don't speak about the 53 port |
| 08:21.53 | Solaris444 | Hi all |
| 08:22.13 | liable | donkeymonkey: hmm, try /dev/psaux |
| 08:22.15 | tarzeau | Guerin: though stuff. was that for holidays in china? got some nice photos? |
| 08:22.20 | donkeymonkey | liable: Okay |
| 08:22.22 | tarzeau | descript: yes i know |
| 08:22.22 | Solaris444 | I was wondering, does anyone know when kde 3.4 will be added to sid? |
| 08:22.27 | descript | tarzeau: i don't thinks it's normal... |
| 08:22.32 | tarzeau | descript: yes it's normal |
| 08:22.41 | tarzeau | Solaris444: soon |
| 08:22.42 | Corin | Solaris444, its in experimental, so who cares anyway ;-) |
| 08:22.43 | Guerin | tarzeau: several hundred, haven't even downbloaded them yet |
| 08:22.51 | descript | tarzeau: why !! |
| 08:23.04 | tarzeau | descript: it's all in a paper called "DOCUMENTATION" |
| 08:23.13 | tarzeau | descript: do you want me to paste it? |
| 08:23.21 | Solaris444 | Well the reason is cos my fave distro uses debian sid. It's starting to lag a bit. |
| 08:23.23 | gusar612 | Guerin: Ive installed bind9 and configured it but it wont run for me. You said that it should run automaticly if i just install it right? |
| 08:23.32 | descript | tarzeau: yes |
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| 08:24.10 | liable | gusar612: havent ever used it, but is there a file in /etc/defaults you need to edit? |
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| 08:24.21 | Guerin | gusar612: that's typical. You may have misconfigured it, or it may be a package bug, or they may have changed something so you have to explicitly set it to startr. Read the documentation and logs. |
| 08:24.30 | tarzeau | descript: http://www.bind9.net/manuals |
| 08:24.32 | Guerin | the README.Debian is a good start |
| 08:24.36 | dotterybot | hello all.....I have just accuired libranet linux, curious in the art of an open source OS (I am sick and tired of microsoft)....pretty much my point is, I want to learn everything about linux, I just do not know where to look can I get some help? |
| 08:24.39 | gusar612 | ok ill read some more =) |
| 08:24.40 | gusar612 | thx |
| 08:24.49 | tarzeau | !based on debian |
| 08:24.50 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 08:25.01 | tarzeau | dotterybot: www.debian.org/doc and get debian - NOT libranet |
| 08:25.05 | aeronadix | Anyone use blender, I am having trouble with subsur |
| 08:25.16 | tarzeau | aeronadix: #blenderchat |
| 08:25.26 | Solaris444 | On a config note, does anyone know where the amarok config files are kept? I need to blast them cos they are causing a crash on startup. |
| 08:25.28 | aeronadix | tarzeau, thx |
| 08:25.43 | tarzeau | Solaris444: try dpkg -L amarok ? |
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| 08:25.52 | Solaris444 | mmm? |
| 08:25.58 | DJ_Necrogami | Ubunut / Kubuntu is based on Debian |
| 08:26.02 | tarzeau | Solaris444: otherwise look in your $HOME for .amarok file(s) |
| 08:26.03 | Guerin | Solaris444: what's hard about that? |
| 08:26.04 | dotterybot | any particular reason why not libranet? |
| 08:26.06 | Solaris444 | what does that do tarzeau? |
| 08:26.11 | Guerin | dotterybot: it's not debian |
| 08:26.13 | tarzeau | dotterybot: becasue this here is #debian and not #libranet |
| 08:26.28 | tarzeau | Solaris444: it lists (almost) all files that come with amaraok |
| 08:26.31 | dotterybot | sorry...thanx |
| 08:26.34 | Solaris444 | ah. |
| 08:26.40 | Solaris444 | thanks tar |
| 08:26.44 | tarzeau | dotterybot: any particular reason why not debian? |
| 08:26.51 | tarzeau | !why_debian |
| 08:27.03 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 08:27.03 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 08:27.08 | descript | tarzeau: i am sorry but i don't anythings in relation with these 2 ports. |
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| 08:27.19 | descript | tarzeau: i don't speak about the port 53 ! |
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| 08:27.24 | descript | as i told u |
| 08:27.38 | descript | tarzeau: do you use sid install ? |
| 08:27.40 | tarzeau | descript: you sure it's bind that listens on that port? post the line of netstat -plunt |
| 08:27.46 | tarzeau | descript: yes i do |
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| 08:28.19 | jelly | Solaris444: hmm... isn't amarok KDE stuff? Might be under .kde/share/apps/ or something like that |
| 08:28.25 | tarzeau | eitch_: from which kantönli are you? |
| 08:28.26 | descript | yes tarzeau i am sure |
| 08:28.44 | eitch_ | hi tarzeau I'm from Solothurn, you? |
| 08:28.44 | Solaris444 | jelly, thanks I found it. |
| 08:28.51 | tarzeau | eitch_: Aargau |
| 08:28.56 | eitch_ | cool |
| 08:29.08 | eitch_ | de redsch du jo sicher au chli schwiizerdütsch =)) |
| 08:29.12 | sime | has there being a update to etch since the 22nd of July ? |
| 08:29.18 | descript | tarzeau: when i stop it |
| 08:29.21 | tarzeau | eitch_: ja aber das döfme hie nid, aber z.b im #linux.ch scho |
| 08:29.32 | eitch_ | ok no problem |
| 08:29.47 | descript | the port is being closed |
| 08:31.12 | descript | tarzeau: and the port change in every starting |
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| 08:32.22 | eitch_ | Hey guys I've got a problem. I installed a dhcpd server over apt, I configured it for a 192.168.0.0 network, I can start it up, see it running with ps but the port isn't open. So no client is receiving an IP, has anyone got a wild guess what I did wrong? |
| 08:33.41 | Rizzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.18 | descript | tarzeau: it's really not normal, and i being think that the bind9 is backdoored |
| 08:35.24 | Guerin | descript: run debsums over it |
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| 08:36.02 | descript | Guerin: i have 2 sid |
| 08:36.09 | descript | the checksum it's the same |
| 08:36.29 | Guerin | descript: then it's not cracked |
| 08:36.34 | descript | no man |
| 08:36.40 | descript | i get the same problem on my 2 sid |
| 08:36.50 | descript | brb |
| 08:36.51 | gusar612 | When i boot my server and i can see it saying "starting named". Shouldnt i then be able to see it as a process running? |
| 08:36.53 | Guerin | so run debsums over them both |
| 08:36.55 | descript | i going reversing it. |
| 08:36.56 | Guerin | you damn fool |
| 08:37.20 | descript | Guerin: you using sid ? |
| 08:37.34 | descript | Guerin: try netstat -an | grep UDP |
| 08:37.55 | descript | just have a look if you have 2 strange port like 32769 32768 327** |
| 08:38.13 | descript | if you get it |
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| 08:38.17 | descript | try to stop your bind |
| 08:38.24 | descript | and check again. |
| 08:38.28 | gusar612 | k |
| 08:38.28 | descript | the netstat |
| 08:39.28 | Guerin | descript: i don't run bind on my sid boxen |
| 08:39.50 | descript | okI. |
| 08:39.53 | descript | brb. |
| 08:40.01 | descript | if other one can check that |
| 08:42.01 | donkeymonkey | what do I have to press on my keyboard to deselect a box? |
| 08:42.19 | liable | spacebar |
| 08:42.24 | donkeymonkey | k thx |
| 08:43.13 | Guerin | 206.123.107.15:53 127.0.0.1:53 127.0.0.1:953 ::1:953 206.123.107.15:53 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:2168 :::2169 # what my named listens on, sarge |
| 08:43.35 | Guerin | different protocols |
| 08:43.46 | Guerin | hence multiple entries |
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| 08:45.12 | Dazgar1 | hi |
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| 08:45.47 | Dazgar1 | ? |
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| 08:45.57 | [vinyl] | hi. is there a standard debian way to make gtk-applications use gnome2-default-fonts? |
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| 08:46.54 | nkuttler | [vinyl]: iirc you change or modify the theme, gtk-theme-switch |
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| 08:47.55 | umbop | hmm how can i list all the packages required by another package? |
| 08:48.07 | umbop | i.e to list the depencies of a package |
| 08:48.09 | nkuttler | umbop: apt-cache show pkg |
| 08:48.12 | [vinyl] | nkuttler: that's what i figured. now i only have to find out why gtk-theme-switch doesn't display all fonts gnome knows. |
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| 08:49.04 | dotterybot | so how hard is it to free yourself from the grasp of microsoft |
| 08:49.28 | nkuttler | dotterybot: you turn off your computer? |
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| 08:49.33 | Guerin | dotterybot: depends how dependent you are on their shit |
| 08:49.48 | Guerin | like activex websites and wanking to msn webcam |
| 08:49.49 | Guerin | etc |
| 08:49.56 | dotterybot | I'd rather not be dependant on them at all |
| 08:50.02 | Guerin | which are about as filthy as each other, in my opinion |
| 08:50.14 | Guerin | dotterybot: well, don't be, then. |
| 08:50.41 | dotterybot | I am just torn between all of the different choices in linux.. |
| 08:51.10 | dotterybot | I assume that debian is the most flexable of em all then? |
| 08:51.29 | Corin | Debian is the ultimate uber 31337 answer to all your problems. |
| 08:51.29 | sep | !why debian |
| 08:51.30 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 08:51.33 | Guerin | dotterybot: no, lfs is the most fleible |
| 08:51.41 | Guerin | it's also the most work |
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| 08:53.12 | dotterybot | so where could I get the most information regarding the instructional use of such a powerful peice of software? |
| 08:53.30 | dotterybot | or is it better just to wing it? |
| 08:53.32 | umbop | hmm , i'm having problems with rdesktop, for some reason, when i am connected, at some point it hangs, after usually about 5 - 15 minutes, and won't respond to mouse / keyboard , and then i can't type in any other applications either. i have the latest rdesktop version, and there's another colleague which is also running sarge, and rdesktop, and his works fine, so i'm confused |
| 08:54.15 | DJ_Necrogami | anyone know if the Lightscriber technology has been ported for linux |
| 08:54.24 | Guerin | dotterybot: read the debian reference and the sarge install guide |
| 08:54.35 | Guerin | dotterybot: both on debian.org/doc |
| 08:54.36 | Slippy | anyone tried running user mode services in parallel? -big time difference? |
| 08:54.49 | Guerin | DJ_Necrogami: google knows |
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| 08:55.02 | dotterybot | guerin: thanx alot |
| 08:55.12 | JPh | my fonts with xgnokii and vlc are too small, how can i fix that? |
| 08:55.25 | DJ_Necrogami | Since its gonna be illegal to Use internet Search Engines in Canada |
| 08:55.27 | [vinyl] | ok - i'll redefine my question: is there any way to make gtk1 use truetype-fonts in sid? |
| 08:55.39 | dotterybot | hey no need to be difficult, I am a noob in search of something better than what the media is shoving down my throat |
| 08:55.41 | liable | DJ_Necrogami: what? |
| 08:56.10 | DJ_Necrogami | http://digg.com/technology/Google_could_become_illegal_in_Canada |
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| 08:56.55 | sep | dotterybot, go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer and install debian, |
| 08:57.11 | DJ_Necrogami | All Internet public Search Engines could be come illegal in canada |
| 08:57.12 | DJ_Necrogami | ..... |
| 08:57.12 | DJ_Necrogami | yea |
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| 08:58.24 | DJ_Necrogami | ... uh yea exactly |
| 08:58.44 | JPh | anyone knows how to fix too small fonts with certain appications? i read some where about the gtk-qt-engine; installed it but fix nothing |
| 08:58.48 | dotterybot | sep, thanx alot.....matter of fact thanx to everyone that pointed me in the right direction....I will be back soon....running linux instead of XP |
| 08:58.52 | Guerin | !gtk fontsize |
| 08:58.52 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
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| 08:59.11 | JPh | thnx |
| 08:59.42 | rambo3 | what a hell is wrong with you dpkg |
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| 09:00.19 | liable | rambo3: ?? |
| 09:00.25 | zdom | ?? |
| 09:01.06 | tarzeau | are "&" in email addresses allowed? |
| 09:01.07 | rambo3 | dpkg boot is KDE fanatic |
| 09:01.08 | dpkg | rambo3: okay |
| 09:01.21 | tarzeau | for example foo&bar@whatever.biz |
| 09:01.24 | Guerin | wtf |
| 09:01.32 | Guerin | dpkg, forget boot |
| 09:01.32 | dpkg | Guerin: i forgot boot |
| 09:01.38 | liable | !fuck rambo3 |
| 09:01.46 | Guerin | dpkg, rambo3 is a fucktard who shouldn't play with the bots |
| 09:01.46 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 09:02.04 | Guerin | tarzeau: don't think so |
| 09:02.23 | Guerin | tarzeau: i think it's sometimes used for virtuals, like % |
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| 09:02.54 | tarzeau | Guerin: but for a regular address? nobody ever will have a problem with it? say weblinks mailto: ? |
| 09:03.16 | Guerin | tarzeau: dunno |
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| 09:03.45 | sep | tarzeau, some will have issues with it, since as guerins say, it's sometimes used in virtuals |
| 09:04.18 | sep | tarzeau, i have seen atlest 1 howto on the net that used it in such a way,. |
| 09:05.47 | rambo3 | liable thats realy mature |
| 09:06.11 | liable | rambo3: thank you, I try. |
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| 09:09.11 | streuner__ | Davidwache ist ne Polizeistation in St. Pauli (Hamburg)... |
| 09:09.22 | streuner__ | ops, wrong channel... |
| 09:09.38 | dimir | :-P |
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| 09:15.15 | JPh | Guerin, i quiet dont get the info give by dpkg |
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| 09:18.03 | rabautz | I wanna do sip-calls from my kmail-adressbook. Does anybody know a software i can use for this? I know several sip-phones, but none that supports dialing from third-party-software. |
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| 09:23.30 | eitch_ | does anyone know, if there is a problem with dhcp3-server on a wlan0 interface? I can't seem to get it to work |
| 09:24.26 | tarzeau | eitch_: have you tried running tcpdump on client and server? |
| 09:24.39 | eitch_ | not yet |
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| 09:28.09 | tarzeau | streuner__: streuner1: noch nicht wach? |
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| 09:37.16 | landslide | where abouts is the tftpd serving folder in debian? |
| 09:38.22 | liable | would think /etc |
| 09:38.45 | sep | landslide, what tftpd server ? |
| 09:38.53 | landslide | just apt-get install tftpd |
| 09:39.02 | landslide | no docs in /usr/share/docs |
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| 09:40.07 | tarzeau | crap firefox crashes for other people as well? |
| 09:40.18 | liable | landslide: dpkg -L tftpd |
| 09:40.23 | sep | landslide /usr/share/doc/tftpd |
| 09:40.30 | kofj | install firefox 1.0.6 |
| 09:40.34 | JPh | Guerin, could you elaborate more on te gtk font settings (for vlc and xgnokii and others) |
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| 09:41.15 | landslide | the doc wasn't helpful at all. |
| 09:41.30 | landslide | usually there is a README.debian file that is specific to debian. |
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| 09:44.17 | sep | landslide, man tftpd, but i would have used the atftpd server instead of the tftpd one |
| 09:44.42 | landslide | i'm trying atftpd.. ;) |
| 09:45.10 | mathieu_ | hi, i compiled 2.6.12.3 for kernel.org with the same options as my previous kernels (with oldconfig) to fix the problem with the new udev in sid. However, my USB mouse doesn't got powered on when booting that kernel. What should i look for? |
| 09:45.18 | mathieu_ | for=from |
| 09:45.45 | Slippy | for!=from |
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| 09:46.01 | mathieu_ | s/for/from/ |
| 09:46.03 | mathieu_ | happy now? |
| 09:46.13 | mathieu_ | i didn't say for==from |
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| 09:47.23 | Slippy | maybe you should be looking for some usb stuff in your kernel? |
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| 09:49.26 | mathieu_ | Slippy: that seems ok: uhci-hcd is loaded |
| 09:49.38 | mathieu_ | Slippy: i didn't change the kernel config |
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| 09:50.27 | Slippy | mathieu_: always a good idea to check the new config anyway - how about USB Host Controller Drivers, USB human interface devices and USB input layer support? |
| 09:50.47 | jokin | hello there... has anyone any hint about the following issue ? -- chkrootkit abnormally detects a packet sniffer within dhcpd3. |
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| 09:52.08 | mathieu_ | Slippy: those are all ok |
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| 09:53.17 | PerfDave | jokin: "abnormally"? |
| 09:54.10 | jokin | yes. there's no packet sniffer in it. pretty sure. it's a known issue but i wonder how i could inhibit this false detection... |
| 09:54.35 | Slippy | mathieu_: any sign of your mouse in grep USB /var/log/dmesg? |
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| 09:55.50 | PerfDave | jokin: "pretty sure"? |
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| 09:55.56 | mathieu_ | Slippy: no, only stuff about detecting the usb hubs and about loading HID |
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| 09:56.24 | Eonn | Guys I asked this question earilier but there are a few new faces here now - anyone interesting in some webdevelopment/php outsourcing work? |
| 09:56.26 | jokin | "the sniffer check is just an informational check, it doesn't necessarily mean that you've been rooted. there are several legitimate sniffers out |
| 09:56.26 | jokin | there: snort, p0f, ehtereal, or tcpdump are all sniffers. dhcpd also uses the PACKET interface and will cause false positives." - http://conway.cat.org.au/doc/chkrootkit/README.Debian |
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| 09:57.53 | PerfDave | jokin: So what makes you think that you haven't been r00ted and had a packet sniffer put in place of dhcpd3? |
| 09:58.10 | Slippy | !usbmouse |
| 09:58.11 | dpkg | i heard usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
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| 09:59.11 | mathieu_ | Slippy: i've got all that |
| 09:59.38 | mathieu_ | Slippy: i've got to go. thanks for your help! |
| 09:59.44 | Wojciech | Hi everyone. I was wondering if someone could help me with GRUB? When I start my computer, I enter a screen that says "grub > " and have no idea what to do. |
| 10:00.13 | jokin | I don't think I've been rooted. but i get 4 mails from the chkrootkit cron job about that packet sniffer thing in dhcpd3. it's bugging me. |
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| 10:00.40 | PerfDave | jokin: "don't think"? You're a bit half-arsed about this, aren't you? |
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| 10:01.11 | jokin | yep. |
| 10:02.14 | PerfDave | jokin: So why don't you *check* to see if you *have* been rooted, before you go ignoring warnings that you *might* have been? |
| 10:02.24 | liable | Wojciech: is this a new install or what? |
| 10:02.34 | Wojciech | Yes, it is. |
| 10:02.44 | jokin | PerfDave : do you know how to be sure that my dhcp daemon is clean ? |
| 10:03.01 | liable | Wojciech: do you know what partition your / is on? |
| 10:03.52 | Wojciech | i installed with / on /dev/sda2 and /boot on /dev/sda1 (im doing this on an external HD -- grub is also on the external) |
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| 10:04.21 | PerfDave | jokin: I know that if you boot off a rescue CD or similar, check the md5sum of the binary against the upstream Debian record, and it matches then you should be OK. |
| 10:04.43 | tralala | jokin: boot from a cd, download the same debian package, extract it, compare the md5 sums of dhcpd from the image and from your hdd |
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| 10:05.14 | jokin | PerfDave & tralala : Thanx 2 you ! I'm on my way |
| 10:05.51 | liable | Wojciech: ok, try grub-install --root-directory=/dev/sda2 /dev/sda |
| 10:05.54 | PerfDave | There should be a way to check the md5sums on http://packages.debian.org/ shouldn't there? |
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| 10:06.22 | liable | or use debsums. |
| 10:06.37 | PerfDave | liable: Assuming your rescue CD has it. |
| 10:06.53 | liable | hrm. |
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| 10:07.17 | jam1111 | i ve installed ntp but i dont find ntp.conf why? |
| 10:07.39 | liable | jam1111: dpkg -L ntp |
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| 10:08.41 | jam1111 | liable there isn't |
| 10:08.57 | jam1111 | ntp.conf |
| 10:09.01 | liable | jam1111: when all else fails, read the docs :) |
| 10:09.27 | blahdeblah | jam1111: You want ntp-server. |
| 10:09.56 | jam1111 | i want to set up right time on my pc :) |
| 10:09.58 | liable | Wojciech: um, actually, how you going with that? doesnt work? (prolly shouldnt) |
| 10:10.41 | blahdeblah | jam1111: ntpdate might be what you want also, depending on your configuration. |
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| 10:10.56 | liable | ok.. |
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| 10:11.18 | tralala | PerfDave: of the whole package only. At least I didn't find the sums of the content. |
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| 10:13.44 | oobawoo | Does anyone know of any reason that KoalaTerm would refuse to connect via SSH2 to Debian, but putty would have no problem? |
| 10:13.58 | PerfDave | oobawoo: Anything in /var/log/auth.log on the SSH server? |
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| 10:15.21 | asad2k5 | Help with setserial needed, I have an 8 port PCI card with two ports not working, the ones at port 9000 [size 32] |
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| 10:16.34 | jam1111 | blahdeblha how i get time with ntpdate? |
| 10:17.29 | blahdeblah | jam1111: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 10:17.57 | PerfDave | Or just /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart |
| 10:18.01 | oobawoo | PerfDave: Oh, ah, I'm not really sure what text editor to use, this is my first time using Debian. Let me try and look... |
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| 10:18.32 | oobawoo | Oh awesome, Pico is there. |
| 10:18.49 | PerfDave | oobawoo: Just use "less" - you want to read the file, not edit. |
| 10:18.54 | jam1111 | doesn't work! |
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| 10:19.16 | blahdeblah | jam1111: Define "doesn't work" |
| 10:19.18 | jam1111 | ntpdate[3098]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 10:21.20 | blahdeblah | jam1111: Must be something wrong with either your name resolution, or your connectivity to the 'Net. Try a local server that's running NTP already. |
| 10:21.28 | oobawoo | PerfDave: Assuming it would write to the log immedietly, it is not writing to the log. |
| 10:22.21 | PerfDave | oobawoo: Use less, hit "F" to follow the file when new stuff is written to it |
| 10:23.04 | PerfDave | oobawoo: Also, look at increasing the verbosity of your logging in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (and restart sshd with /etc/init.d/ssh restart); if nothing shows up in the logs when you try to connect with KoalaTerm, then there's something wrong with KT's configuration which means it isn't even getting to the server. |
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| 10:24.33 | oobawoo | PerfDave: log level is set to INFO. What would be a more verbrose option? |
| 10:24.54 | PerfDave | oobawoo: man sshd_config |
| 10:25.21 | oobawoo | Mad. Cheers. |
| 10:27.20 | jokin | PerfDave : I've checked the dhcpd3 sum. It's OK. no rootkit. So - that was my question - how to *not* receive a warning mail about a packet sniffer within dhcpd3 ? (please, excuse my poor english). |
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| 10:28.57 | PerfDave | jokin: Read the chkrootkit documentation? And install something like tripwire, so if the dhcpd3 binary *does* change, you'll know about it. |
| 10:30.05 | jokin | PerfDave : By something like TripWire, you mean AIDE ? |
| 10:30.44 | PerfDave | jokin: I mean something which will detect if your binary changes. Tripwire is one program that will do that for you, there are others. |
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| 10:32.02 | jokin | OK. |
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| 10:34.50 | simplexe | hi |
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| 10:36.00 | Genscher | hi there. I have some problem with debian since the upgrade from woody to the new sarge. |
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| 10:36.26 | bilbo_ | hi |
| 10:36.48 | PerfDave | Genscher: Did you follow the upgrade instructions in the 3.1 Installation Manual? |
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| 10:37.36 | stevarino | hey, i'm having trouble installing php5 from source. it needs the libxml2 directory, and apt-get is reporting that it is installed, but i can't locate it :\ |
| 10:37.37 | Genscher | the problem is that seom guy from work used some wrong default setting (e.g. wrong default paper size) and now the hole latex scripts doesn't work any more. |
| 10:38.12 | Genscher | stevarino: i didn't do the upgrade :( |
| 10:38.20 | bilbo_ | kalhspera |
| 10:38.21 | Jaak | stevarino: you need -dev version too |
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| 10:38.44 | stevarino | Jaak: i'm sorry? (newby) |
| 10:38.53 | Genscher | PerfDave: do you know where to find some "change settings of debian" menu? |
| 10:39.07 | Jaak | stevarino: apt-get install libxml2-dev |
| 10:39.09 | doub | i have installed via deboostrap a full debian system on an USB external hard drive, and now my problem is: being able to boot it on any sort of computer, USB-aware BIOS or not. i tried grub, without luck so far. Has anyone a clue as to what kind of bootloader i may use for this purpose? |
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| 10:39.27 | Jaak | stevarino: regular libxml2 doesn't install development headers |
| 10:39.27 | snail | Genscher: the command is dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 10:39.49 | jumpkick | is there a way to spawn a process from a parent process so that it does not die when the parent dies? (I can't use 'screen' :( ) |
| 10:39.58 | stevarino | Jaak: thanks :) |
| 10:40.08 | doub | jumpkick: nohup <command> maybe? |
| 10:40.52 | stevarino | oh wow, that worked perfectly, lets see if it installs |
| 10:41.06 | doub | jumpkick: that won't prevent it from dying when the parent dies, but if you add a '&' at the end, the parent would be init, which is never killed until reboot/shutdown |
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| 10:42.11 | stevarino | PHP-Mag? |
| 10:42.12 | jumpkick | doub: thanks... now to see if it's available (I'm using an nslu2 box) |
| 10:42.17 | stevarino | d'oh, wrong window |
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| 10:42.39 | Genscher | snail: thank you, that was what i was searching for. the problem is that i don't know which package is the right one to reconfigure to change the default paper size of debian (for latex) |
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| 10:44.07 | SNow | hi guys, please, can you tell me with what compiler i could COMPILE .cpp .h files under my linux debian? |
| 10:44.19 | DJ_Necrogami | gcc |
| 10:44.22 | tarzeau | SNow: g++ |
| 10:44.40 | SNow | does gcc has ant abillity to compile that kind'a stuff ? |
| 10:44.46 | tarzeau | SNow: yes |
| 10:45.22 | SNow | will i get .exe ? |
| 10:45.33 | tarzeau | SNow: in debian you don't have .exe |
| 10:45.41 | tarzeau | SNow: but you'll get an executable binary yes |
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| 10:47.54 | solars | hi, I got a space problem on my /-partition, how can I list all installed packages (sorted by size to find the bigger ones) ? |
| 10:48.12 | gusar612 | Anyone in here that may be able to help me with BIND? (getting error i cant understand, loading master file /etc/bind/db.*: not a valid number) |
| 10:48.39 | peritus_ | how can i get 1400x1050 to work on my Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop? running sarge and xfree86, with nvidia graphic drivers |
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| 10:50.59 | Eonn | solars: du -l |
| 10:51.27 | snail | Genscher: sorry I have no idea. perhaps your best bet is to go to packages.debain.org and find the package that's broken |
| 10:51.27 | mathieu_ | is there a place i can fetch old unstable packages? |
| 10:51.32 | sep | peritus_, do what this say /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 10:51.40 | mathieu_ | (more specifically: udev 0.060) |
| 10:51.43 | nkuttler | mathieu_: /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 10:51.47 | solars | Eonn, thats for files, not installed packages |
| 10:51.49 | petemc | mathieu_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 10:52.00 | snail | Genscher: the package to reconfigure should be one of the ones that it is dependent on, dircetly or indirectly |
| 10:52.05 | liable | mathieu_: its prolly in your cache unless you cleaned it. |
| 10:52.12 | mathieu_ | liable: it's cleaned |
| 10:52.26 | liable | haha :P |
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| 10:52.57 | Genscher | hm, in woody i could run tasksel and select latex and then i was asked about the default system paper size. How can i change it in sarge? |
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| 10:54.14 | jm_ | tried dpkg-reconfigure libpaper? |
| 10:54.15 | ma3x | hi |
| 10:54.17 | ma3x | ii want to remove xfree and install xorg |
| 10:54.19 | jm_ | or libpaperg |
| 10:54.28 | ma3x | how is this possible, what packages should i remove / install ? |
| 10:54.52 | fatal__ | x-window-system-core |
| 10:55.01 | lord_rob | ma3x: should be done automatically, use aptitude |
| 10:55.07 | liable | ma3x: um, are you running sarge again? |
| 10:55.12 | petemc | ma3x: you need to be running sid |
| 10:55.14 | ma3x | yes liable why? |
| 10:55.21 | ma3x | i need to be running sid? |
| 10:55.24 | ma3x | but what for/ |
| 10:55.27 | Guerin | ma3x: you need to not be running sid |
| 10:55.30 | liable | ma3x: cause I seen ya in ubuntu. |
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| 10:55.37 | Guerin | because you appear to be clueless |
| 10:55.44 | ma3x | liable so you think ubuntu is lame? |
| 10:56.08 | stevarino | hey, after installing mysql server and client, how do i locate my mysql base directory for php compiling? |
| 10:56.14 | liable | ma3x: did I say that? I meant because, we cant help you if you are running ubuntu... |
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| 10:56.17 | ma3x | so let's get to this please |
| 10:56.22 | ma3x | liable im loyal to sarge |
| 10:56.25 | ma3x | just tried out ubuntu |
| 10:56.32 | ma3x | and i have to say it supports my graphic card 3d |
| 10:56.40 | ma3x | but probably because of the Xorg |
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| 10:56.55 | ma3x | otherwise don't like it much |
| 10:56.58 | ma3x | its like imposter |
| 10:57.20 | ma3x | okay, now what i go to aptitude and select x-window-system-core? |
| 10:57.25 | ma3x | and it will be done automatically, right? |
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| 10:57.36 | Guerin | ma3x: jesus god |
| 10:57.43 | sep | ma3x, xorg is not in sarge, you have to install a backport for xorg on sarge, |
| 10:57.45 | Guerin | ma3x: don't fucking use sid. Just don't. |
| 10:57.55 | Guerin | just wait, it'll be in etch sooon enough |
| 10:58.01 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.10 | Guerin | then you don't use xorg, either |
| 10:58.12 | sep | but i was of the impression that xfree in sarge had rather good ackported drivers, to support newer cards |
| 10:58.29 | ma3x | well mine is not that new |
| 10:58.32 | ma3x | !backport |
| 10:58.32 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 10:59.04 | ma3x | and how do i remove xfree? |
| 10:59.11 | Guerin | YOU DON'T |
| 10:59.16 | Guerin | GIVE UP |
| 10:59.25 | Guerin | you're not using sid, it's not in sarge, end of story |
| 10:59.26 | ma3x | look dude, i wanna install xorg |
| 10:59.29 | ma3x | 3d accleration doesnt work |
| 10:59.31 | liable | !tell ma3x about xorg sarge |
| 10:59.32 | ma3x | the graphic is shit |
| 10:59.41 | petemc | ma3x: if ubuntu worked, maybe you should just use it |
| 10:59.44 | PerfDave | ma3x: So use the ATI drivers in sarge. |
| 10:59.55 | ma3x | petemc : i already got everything setup on my sarge box |
| 11:00.02 | ma3x | why should i start dealing with ubuntu now? |
| 11:00.04 | ma3x | i don't like it |
| 11:00.43 | Shadowcat | heh sarge backports |
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| 11:00.49 | Shadowcat | might as well run unstable |
| 11:00.52 | sep | ma3x, if you have bad performance your using the wrong drivers in xfree, even if you change to xorg, you still need the proper drivers. |
| 11:00.59 | soulreaper | (j inkscape |
| 11:01.03 | Guerin | Shadowcat: spoken like a true moron |
| 11:01.17 | Anders | ma3x, X -version |
| 11:01.31 | Shadowcat | Guerin: not full blown unstable |
| 11:01.32 | ma3x | what should i say, ive been spending every day 5 hours getting the proper drivers |
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| 11:01.35 | ma3x | and never got them working |
| 11:01.39 | Shadowcat | but if you are gonna run xorg |
| 11:01.44 | sep | ma3x, and you can get xorg on sarge by using a backport (/msg dpkg xorg sarge) but you _still_ must use proper drivers, |
| 11:01.45 | Shadowcat | you might as well run a hybrid system |
| 11:01.49 | ma3x | XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 |
| 11:01.53 | Anders | see |
| 11:01.58 | Shadowcat | but as sep and Guerin said |
| 11:02.06 | Shadowcat | try using xfree with the proper ati driver first |
| 11:02.12 | Shadowcat | if that doesn't work |
| 11:02.17 | Shadowcat | start thinking about xorg |
| 11:02.17 | Shadowcat | ¨ |
| 11:02.18 | ma3x | do you think it's that easy to find the proper driver? |
| 11:02.22 | ma3x | you got no chance |
| 11:02.30 | ma3x | i don't know how ubuntu got them working |
| 11:02.34 | ma3x | its really strange |
| 11:02.41 | sep | ma3x, you have tried /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 11:02.44 | ma3x | how the hell i know which are the proper drivers |
| 11:02.45 | elmig | magic hocus pocus |
| 11:02.56 | Shadowcat | what card are you using? |
| 11:03.00 | Shadowcat | elmig: nah, voodoo |
| 11:03.02 | lord_rob | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.03 | ma3x | sep yeah tried that yesterday, the dpkg referrences, and got xfreeserver fuked |
| 11:03.11 | ma3x | i did already |
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| 11:03.27 | Shadowcat | ma3x: what card? |
| 11:03.30 | ma3x | but is there way to find out what drivers is ubuntu using? |
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| 11:03.40 | ma3x | ATI radeon IGP 340 M |
| 11:03.48 | Shadowcat | IGP? |
| 11:03.52 | Shadowcat | what board is this? |
| 11:04.01 | sep | ma3x, some integrated thing ? |
| 11:04.30 | ma3x | yeah |
| 11:04.33 | ma3x | laptop, btw |
| 11:05.03 | ma3x | xorg has Mesa OpenGL utility and stuff like that |
| 11:05.08 | ma3x | that's why i think its gonna work |
| 11:05.37 | sep | ma3x, what driver are you running now? |
| 11:05.43 | Shadowcat | no |
| 11:05.53 | Shadowcat | you need to find the desktop part that the IGP is based on |
| 11:06.00 | Shadowcat | and then use the driver for that desktop card |
| 11:06.03 | ma3x | "radeon" is written in the XF86Config-4 |
| 11:06.20 | sep | ma3x, tried replaceing radeon with ati ? |
| 11:06.38 | ma3x | yes, it was running by default ati |
| 11:06.43 | ma3x | then i replaced it with radeon |
| 11:06.46 | ma3x | same thing |
| 11:06.57 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.57 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.57 | jtza8 | Since sarge is the new stable release, has sid become the testing release? |
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| 11:07.11 | sep | sid is allways unstable, etch is the new testing |
| 11:07.13 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 11:07.13 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 11:07.45 | jtza8 | thanks |
| 11:07.46 | ma3x | when i start up glxgears i get that Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 11:07.58 | ma3x | so that's the whole fukup, no 3d accel. |
| 11:08.11 | ma3x | extensions missing |
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| 11:08.51 | ma3x | anyway how do i stop/kill XFree? |
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| 11:09.17 | chadder | hi all; TOTALLY off topic: what does "I got five on it" mean...? |
| 11:09.19 | sep | ma3x, well try the xorg backport from /msg dpkg xorg sarge then, and see if that do anything. |
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| 11:10.31 | Guerin | chadder: depends on context |
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| 11:10.43 | chadder | Guerin: I mean in the song by Luniz... |
| 11:10.46 | sep | ma3x, since if i read /msg dpkg ati correctly, the ati drivers in xfree on sarge is lacking is some aspects that are probably corrected in the backport of xorg. |
| 11:10.53 | Guerin | !htfswk chadder |
| 11:10.54 | dpkg | chadder: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 11:11.00 | ma3x | sep : that's what im talking about baby! |
| 11:11.00 | Shadowcat | uhh |
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| 11:11.12 | sep | ma3x, well /msg dpkg xorg sarge and see it it helps |
| 11:11.13 | Shadowcat | ma3x: your core is based off the Radeon VE |
| 11:11.20 | Shadowcat | find a driver for that, and you'll get your card working |
| 11:11.37 | ma3x | radeon VE? |
| 11:11.42 | Shadowcat | yes |
| 11:12.13 | Shadowcat | blegh this core dates back to the radeon 8500 |
| 11:12.16 | chadder | dpkg: because you're all extremely cool? |
| 11:12.19 | Shadowcat | no wonder I didn't recognize the name |
| 11:12.26 | chadder | dpkg: I mean... you're using Debian |
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| 11:12.54 | sep | chadder, your very strange since your talking to a bot... |
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| 11:13.22 | chadder | sep: I'm a bot myself as well |
| 11:13.26 | sep | chadder, if you expect to get anything sanfe from him, you can start with /msg dpkg what are you |
| 11:13.28 | ma3x | forget it launching xorg |
| 11:13.34 | fishdish | i have a very simple question concerning sarge X configuration? |
| 11:13.50 | sep | fishdish, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 11:13.59 | Shadowcat | there's no such thing as a simple question |
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| 11:14.23 | Slippy | Shadowcat: what is two plus two? |
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| 11:14.41 | Shadowcat | 4 |
| 11:14.44 | sep | Slippy, read the damn FAQ! |
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| 11:15.13 | fishdish | in particular,i have a problem with assigning my keyboard for the x aserver, but i know that it's done in the same program that configures the monitor for x |
| 11:15.32 | PerfDave | fishdish: What do you mean, "assigning my keyboard for the x server"? |
| 11:15.35 | Slippy | sep: but hehe |
| 11:15.39 | sep | fishdish, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 11:15.53 | SNow | When I compile .cpp with g++ I get many many erros |
| 11:15.55 | fishdish | dpkg drxx? |
| 11:15.55 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! |
| 11:15.57 | jetx | !tell fishdish about ask |
| 11:16.06 | SNow | ikn windows you need platform sdk to configure, maybe this is the same thing ? |
| 11:16.11 | sep | !tell fishdish abotu msgdpkg |
| 11:16.11 | jetx | !drxx fishdish |
| 11:16.12 | dpkg | fishdish: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:16.23 | sep | !tell fishdish about msgdpkg |
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| 11:17.05 | fishdish | thx alot back to wrk |
| 11:17.05 | row | Hi there, I wanted to resize a ext3 partition with parted, but parted once running thinks the partitiion is a ext2 partition and says it can't deal with this funny ext2 partitiion anyone know a fix or another program I can use inside for debian to resize the said partition? |
| 11:17.37 | sep | row, ext3= ext2 + a journal so parted is right |
| 11:17.42 | sep | from a certain point of view... |
| 11:17.54 | row | but the man page says it can deal with it |
| 11:18.02 | row | so do I need to flag it as ext3? |
| 11:18.04 | jetx | lose the journal |
| 11:18.05 | sep | row, convert it to ext2 first then |
| 11:18.10 | row | ah can I do that |
| 11:18.16 | row | will that not break stuff? |
| 11:18.18 | row | lovely |
| 11:18.21 | sep | man tune2fs iirc |
| 11:18.36 | sep | row, it will break the journal, but you recreate that with tune2fs again afterwards |
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| 11:18.49 | row | cool |
| 11:18.51 | row | cheers |
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| 11:20.51 | row | sep, do I change the has_journal option then? |
| 11:21.00 | row | or do I need to convert the partition in some way? |
| 11:21.42 | sep | row, /msg dpkg ext3->ext2 also ask about ext2->ext3 |
| 11:21.50 | row | ta |
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| 11:23.44 | Genscher | at the first upgrade (from woody to sarge), the debian configuration asked something like "What paper size should be the system default?" <-- how can i change this /or envoke the configuration menu? |
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| 11:25.35 | jetx | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 11:28.33 | Garabuyo | hi.. In start computer lilo don't work.. It put: "LI_" and it blocks the beginning.. how can I restart lilo without cd1 instalacion ? it's posible? |
| 11:28.50 | PerfDave | Garabuyo: /msg dpkg li |
| 11:29.09 | Genscher | jetx: the menus look like the right but he asked me only about language and keyboard setup |
| 11:29.16 | jetx | boot the cd, chroot out when the filesystems get mounted, rerun lilo after you check /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 11:30.24 | SNow | from where I could download Visual C++ ? |
| 11:30.34 | Genscher | dpkg-reconfigure libpaper1 is the slution! thank you for your help |
| 11:30.44 | DJ_Necrogami | Visual C++ is for windows |
| 11:30.49 | DJ_Necrogami | Death to M$ |
| 11:30.53 | SNow | :D |
| 11:31.04 | jetx | SNow: http://microsoft.com/express :p |
| 11:31.18 | Garabuyo | thxs PerfDave , but i haven't physical access to computer.. only with kvm swith.. |
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| 11:31.40 | PerfDave | Garabuyo: Follow the cables from the KVM switch to the computer ;) |
| 11:31.54 | Genscher | how can i remove latex with configuration? (apt-get remove only removes the files...) |
| 11:32.22 | Maliuta | purge |
| 11:32.30 | PerfDave | Genscher: man apt-get |
| 11:32.35 | Maliuta | dpkg --purge |
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| 11:33.21 | jetx | apt-get remove --purge he means |
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| 11:33.41 | jetx | http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/ |
| 11:34.18 | sep | i have a diskdrive here that is a goner, (file corruption, lost partition tables, and sector errors) but it spins, is there a way i can search/scan this partition less drive for a spesific file ? |
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| 11:34.42 | Garabuyo | PerfDave: The computer haven't boot disk that i can use.. |
| 11:35.03 | PerfDave | Garabuyo: So download one already? |
| 11:35.05 | sep | Garabuyo, use a livecd |
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| 11:35.53 | ma3x | how can i give these permissions to a file? |
| 11:35.55 | ma3x | -rw-r--r-- |
| 11:35.58 | Garabuyo | but with kvm I can use my local cdrom in start boot of computer network ? |
| 11:36.02 | PerfDave | ma3x: man chmod |
| 11:36.06 | jetx | 644 |
| 11:36.06 | sep | Garabuyo, and when your on the issue of bootloader now sounds like a opportunity to switch to grub also. |
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| 11:36.25 | sep | Garabuyo, no you need physical access |
| 11:36.27 | PerfDave | Garabuyo: No, a KVM just lets you use one keyboard and mouse and monitor to access multiple machines. It's not a network. |
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| 11:36.35 | PerfDave | sep: The best thing to do would probably be to find some way to transfer *all* the information off onto a good drive - when drives are that screwed, they get worse fast. Then try using recovery tools on your disk image. |
| 11:36.45 | sep | Garabuyo, unless you have one of the new kvm's that emulate a usbcdrom from a cdimage file |
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| 11:37.16 | jim | do the new kvms do that for really? |
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| 11:37.40 | sep | jim, some ipkvm's do that |
| 11:37.57 | Garabuyo | It's the problem.. I haven't physical access and i can't connect a disk boot |
| 11:38.03 | jim | are they essentially using usb for kbd and mouse? |
| 11:38.05 | PerfDave | Garabuyo: Then you're fucked, sorry. |
| 11:38.14 | sep | Garabuyo, then you need to work on getting that access |
| 11:38.14 | ma3x | PerfDave : i can't set it |
| 11:38.18 | ma3x | is it with [] ? |
| 11:38.27 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.29 | PerfDave | ma3x: man chmod |
| 11:38.30 | ma3x | or how? |
| 11:38.30 | sep | Garabuyo, and with grub you'r a lot less likely to be this fucked on such issues |
| 11:38.35 | jetx | ma3x: i told you |
| 11:38.38 | jetx | so did others |
| 11:38.39 | PerfDave | ma3x: READ THE FUCKING MANPAGE |
| 11:38.41 | jetx | 644 |
| 11:38.45 | jim | he won't |
| 11:38.46 | ma3x | oh sorry jetx missed that |
| 11:39.00 | Garabuyo | ok, thxs again |
| 11:39.08 | Shadowcat | if he won't read the manpage |
| 11:39.10 | Shadowcat | we won't help him |
| 11:39.12 | Shadowcat | simple enough |
| 11:39.13 | asg | !wikifaq ma3x Permissions |
| 11:39.14 | dpkg | ma3x: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 11:39.16 | jim | he only wants canned solutions; I recommend you charge him at consulting rates or /ignore |
| 11:39.16 | sep | PerfDave, i havew the disk dd' to a image, but since the partitiontable is a goner the recoverytools dont liek it much |
| 11:39.36 | PerfDave | sep: There should be tools that'll help you recover a partition table from the image. |
| 11:40.00 | sep | PerfDave, they give me bogus info. or no info at all. |
| 11:40.20 | PerfDave | sep: Oh well. Time to fork out tens of thousands of pounds on professional data recovery, or restore from backups :) |
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| 11:40.37 | ixion | I know how to edit my dns servers using interfaces and doing an ifdown/ifup - but I cant do that at the moment, how would I specify a temporary DNS server? |
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| 11:41.06 | PerfDave | ixion: edit /etc/resolv.conf by hand |
| 11:41.30 | ixion | hmm those entries are correct |
| 11:41.53 | ixion | I can ping the dns server, but nothing is resolving since I brought up the interface using ifconfig instead of ifup |
| 11:42.03 | sep | PerfDave, i did restore from backups, but i had a gpg key, that's been signed that day that hadn't had the nightly backup yet, that's what i would like to restore |
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| 11:42.34 | PerfDave | sep: Well, if your recovery tools won't restore it for you, your options are basically to forget about it or use a professional ;) |
| 11:42.34 | sep | since a resign costs money, (less then a pro data recovery) |
| 11:42.59 | sep | guess it's a resign |
| 11:43.03 | SaneEnglishMonk | ixion: /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 11:43.43 | ixion | the entry there is correct |
| 11:43.45 | sep | what's the best tool for scanning for lost partitions ? mine claim i have ntfs partitions all over the place... |
| 11:44.13 | PerfDave | ixion: Does ifup do anything odd with pre-up / post-up? Why don't you just use ifup? |
| 11:44.14 | liable | gpart? |
| 11:44.25 | sep | that's the one |
| 11:44.26 | jim | ifup <iface> does to <iface> what you program it to, in /etc/network/interfaces.... ifconfig <iface> up does nothing but sets <iface> active (doesn't set the address or netmask, doesn't add routes) |
| 11:44.31 | sep | that dont like my disk |
| 11:44.39 | sep | it's the only one ? |
| 11:44.44 | rabautz | I wanna do sip-calls from my kmail-adressbook. Does anybody know a software i can use for this? I know several sip-phones, but none that supports dialing from third-party-software. |
| 11:44.54 | PerfDave | rabautz: kphone? |
| 11:45.20 | rabautz | PerfDave, but how to dial from kmail? |
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| 11:45.59 | ma3x | this is crazy |
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| 11:46.14 | ma3x | with the same xorg configuration, glx works under ubuntu |
| 11:46.20 | ma3x | on debian won't even give me a hope |
| 11:46.24 | ma3x | now what's that? |
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| 11:46.39 | PerfDave | ma3x: Different distros, different versions of different x servers. |
| 11:46.49 | ma3x | when i launch glxinfo it says name of display: :0.0 |
| 11:46.49 | ma3x | unknown chip id, assuming full radeon support |
| 11:46.55 | edugcj | where can i buy a cheap laptop in new york??? |
| 11:47.02 | PerfDave | ma3x: If you're running Sarge, you have XFree86, not xorg. |
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| 11:47.07 | ma3x | why unknown chip id? it's set in the config |
| 11:47.14 | ma3x | PerfDave backport |
| 11:47.24 | vick | Building goes through compiling here as in gentoo too ? |
| 11:47.32 | PerfDave | vick: What do you mean? |
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| 11:47.43 | PerfDave | ma3x: Then you're not using official Debian packages, and you're probably on your own. |
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| 11:48.07 | ma3x | so how the hell do i reinstall back xfree? |
| 11:48.12 | vick | PerfDave: precompiled packages or do i compile it myself ? |
| 11:48.24 | dimir | vick: both ways are available |
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| 11:48.29 | PerfDave | vick: Debian has precompiled packages, you can compile yourself if you want to but there's rarely any point. |
| 11:48.32 | elirips | hello. does someone know if it is possible to pass driver-options to the xserver while running? to enable tv-out i have to set the options "MonitorLayout" "NONE, AUTO"; "NoTV" "no"; and "TVStandard" "PAL-B" (disable lcd, enable tv-out, set tv-standard), but it is not very comfortable having to restart X each time to do so. any way to tell the driver (fglrx) about these options while X is running? |
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| 11:48.54 | edugcj | does anybody knows where i can buy a cheap laptop in NY? |
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| 11:49.04 | PerfDave | edugcj: No, and that's not really on-topic for #debian :) |
| 11:49.06 | vick | PerfDave: Why would you use debian and not gentoo ? |
| 11:49.07 | dimir | elirips: restarting the X server would be a must |
| 11:49.12 | PerfDave | vick: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 11:49.41 | PerfDave | vick: Though personally, I find that Debian just works, and Gentoo is an unstable, badly-put-together pile of shit, "supported" by masturbating teenagers :) |
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| 11:50.12 | undesktop | after doing a big dist-upgrade today (since 2 or 3 weeks or so), the text-editor scite is broken |
| 11:50.16 | elirips | dimir: but the ati-config-tool can also pass the option "enabletvout" and "tv-standard" while X is running, without needing to restart. only disabling the lcd is not supported by the ati-tool (therefore there stupid tool is totally useless for me). |
| 11:50.19 | Shadowcat | PerfDave: if you can run debian unstable |
| 11:50.23 | Shadowcat | yo ucan probably run gentoo |
| 11:50.30 | Shadowcat | same type of skills |
| 11:50.44 | asg | undesktop: using sid? check the bts |
| 11:50.47 | undesktop | it takes long to start and it doesn't work right, the text is floating around, and it's not useable |
| 11:50.52 | PerfDave | Shadowcat: Debian unstable is IME *far* more stable than Gentoo |
| 11:50.59 | undesktop | yes, debian usntable. bts? |
| 11:51.04 | undesktop | unstable |
| 11:51.05 | asg | !btssmite undesktop |
| 11:51.19 | Shadowcat | PerfDave: that is true |
| 11:51.23 | PerfDave | sep: Have you looked at mondo? |
| 11:51.31 | dimir | elirips: ati-config-tool? Oh well, seems my info is outdated then. :-) |
| 11:51.32 | Shadowcat | but it requires the same troublesorting skills when something breaks |
| 11:51.46 | Shadowcat | so if you can get yourself out of a pam package breakage in debian unstable |
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| 11:51.49 | PerfDave | Shadowcat: But takes about half the time, because you don't have to keep downloading and compiling shit ;) |
| 11:51.54 | ma3x | here is the problem with XFree |
| 11:51.56 | ma3x | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 11:51.58 | knt | i've just plugged my philips pcvc830k usb web cam and loaded pwc module. but still couldn't see any /dev/videoX nodes? (using devfs) any ideas? |
| 11:52.04 | Shadowcat | you probably can recover from something similar in gentoo as well |
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| 11:52.09 | elirips | dimir: this tool that comes with the fglrx-driver. |
| 11:52.20 | Shadowcat | PerfDave: distcc |
| 11:52.22 | Shadowcat | :P |
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| 11:52.34 | PerfDave | Shadowcat: Never got that to work on Gentoo either. |
| 11:52.34 | dimir | elirips: OK, never used it. |
| 11:52.41 | PerfDave | Shadowcat: That's when I gave up and went back to Debian ;) |
| 11:52.47 | vick | PerfDave: I've got from them that there is less flexibility in debian |
| 11:52.53 | ma3x | i will go back to windows |
| 11:52.53 | Shadowcat | PerfDave: bah you suck :P |
| 11:53.16 | elirips | dimir: it has a very nice option "enable tv-out", unfortunatly I only get a garbaged image on my tv as long as the lcd is still working. and as the tool doesn't offer a possibility to disable the lcd, it is a useless piece of software. |
| 11:53.17 | asg | vick: debian does provide source packages which you can tweak if you so desire |
| 11:54.00 | PerfDave | vick: Yes, Debian is very inflexible about things randomly segfaulting, Gentoo is quite flexible about allowing such things ;) |
| 11:54.36 | Shadowcat | I can safely say that there isn't a user alive that's utilizing all the "flexibility" in the gnu software out there |
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| 11:54.45 | Shadowcat | not even Linus Torvalds |
| 11:54.51 | PerfDave | Shadowcat: *shrug* What can I say? Gentoo just wasn't worth my time. It didn't offer me any benefits over Debian, it took fucking ages to even try and get things working, and most of the time they didn't work, and the Gentoo "community" was a bunch of spotty little oiks. |
| 11:55.04 | asg | Shadowcat: that's because using info makes one want to kill things. |
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| 11:56.08 | undesktop | asg: no, there's no such bug reported... however, this seems to be catastrophic to even put it into unstable, so maybe it isn't the packages, but my system |
| 11:56.19 | undesktop | I have to mention, that I didn't reboot after updating |
| 11:56.35 | asg | undesktop: you don't ever need to reboot |
| 11:56.41 | asg | undesktop: unless you install a new kernel. |
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| 11:57.14 | vick | PerfDave: If you were to pick between debian and any other free OS Linux it is or something else, what would you pick ? |
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| 11:57.25 | asg | vick: OpenBSD |
| 11:57.40 | PerfDave | vick: Debian is by far the best Free OS I've used, for server and desktop. |
| 11:57.40 | vick | what about freeBSD ? |
| 11:57.45 | undesktop | asg: yes, the only problem with that is that there are floating around old libraries, that are still used by some programs (that were started before a library update) |
| 11:57.59 | PerfDave | vick: I switched from FreeBSD to Debian :) |
| 11:58.15 | vick | heh |
| 11:58.20 | asg | undesktop: old libraries won't be used by new code so won't be a problem. If you really wish to get rid of unused libs, use deborphan. |
| 11:58.53 | vick | The most important thing for me in the OS |
| 11:59.10 | vick | is that it would be secure, etc...... and doesn't take much CPU/mem |
| 11:59.19 | undesktop | asg: yes, I only meant old, deleted library (these will be displayed as "deleted" under /proc/*/maps) |
| 11:59.29 | vick | PerfDave: As in LFS Vs Fedora core 4 |
| 11:59.37 | undesktop | asg: however, this scite program is horribly broken and absolutely unuseable now |
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| 12:00.06 | asg | undesktop: now, since you are running unstable, these things do occur. You might try to get the previous scite pacakge from snapshot.debian.net to see if it fixes things until the broken one in sid is fixed. |
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| 12:00.17 | PerfDave | vick: Not taking up CPU or memory is usually a feature of the applications you install, not the OS you're using. |
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| 12:01.07 | trueno | Hi! Where can I find a good tutorial on how to deal with apt-get and signatures? I can't manage to get it working properly |
| 12:01.13 | PerfDave | trueno: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 12:01.15 | asg | !apt secure |
| 12:01.15 | dpkg | it has been said that apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 12:01.21 | trueno | PerfDave: thanks |
| 12:01.33 | vick | PerfDave: what do you think of solaris ? |
| 12:01.38 | Shadowcat | slowlaris |
| 12:01.44 | vick | lol |
| 12:01.45 | PerfDave | vick: I used to admin Solaris. It's a steaming pile of junk. |
| 12:01.50 | asg | PerfDave: that's being kind |
| 12:01.56 | PerfDave | vick: The way to use Solaris is to install all the GNU utilities on it and make it as Linux-like as possible ;) |
| 12:01.58 | petemc | its ok for running oracle on |
| 12:01.58 | Shadowcat | agreed |
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| 12:02.04 | Shadowcat | slowlaris sucks |
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| 12:02.59 | sussudio | why does microsoft feel it necessary to change the names of things, like directory/folder partition/volume, etc |
| 12:03.07 | vick | Time to get laid and come back when the CD is finished |
| 12:03.35 | sussudio | you have a fast burner then |
| 12:03.45 | ethics | it doesnt exist tll microsoft make it...see new innovative features |
| 12:04.22 | ethics | enjoy the video vick 8) |
| 12:04.45 | row | anyone here know how to rescuce a partition that you resized with parted, I thought (very silly) that it did not remove data on the partition and just resized the only thing that would lose data is the partition you expanded into but I was wrong itwas a ext2 partition that I would like to fully restore, is there a way to do this? |
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| 12:05.07 | sussudio | badger? |
| 12:05.14 | ethics | row umm gpart or something like r-tools |
| 12:05.20 | row | cheers |
| 12:05.27 | ethics | asa a few ideas |
| 12:05.33 | kofj | clone your disk first ,if your data is very important |
| 12:05.39 | row | nah |
| 12:05.43 | row | its a non system disk |
| 12:05.46 | row | just would rather have it back |
| 12:06.01 | ethics | porn library was safe i assume from the casual nah 8) |
| 12:06.10 | row | hehe |
| 12:06.21 | sep | row, just resize back the partition, when you resize you must remember to resize both partition and filesystem |
| 12:06.35 | row | ah |
| 12:06.39 | row | so it anit changed |
| 12:06.41 | row | its still there? |
| 12:07.14 | sussudio | in soviet russia, partition resizes you |
| 12:07.16 | row | sep can you explain |
| 12:07.21 | row | :) |
| 12:07.47 | sep | row, if you grew a partition the partition you grew shoud be ok, |
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| 12:07.54 | row | I resized it |
| 12:08.03 | row | I don't know how qtparted did that |
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| 12:08.10 | row | but I thought it would be save bet |
| 12:08.16 | row | as I did not know start and end points |
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| 12:09.31 | sep | i think you use something like e2resize on the filesystem after you have grown the partition |
| 12:09.39 | row | ah k |
| 12:10.00 | row | resize2fs |
| 12:10.01 | row | ? |
| 12:10.14 | sep | sounds likely, you have backups i hope |
| 12:10.23 | row | its not important data |
| 12:10.26 | sep | k |
| 12:10.33 | row | but if I do this will I lose all chance of getting it back? |
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| 12:10.47 | sep | i'd say yes |
| 12:11.25 | row | what about if I just run e2fsck will that not correct the size problem? |
| 12:11.56 | row | nah its already been resized |
| 12:11.58 | sep | row, nope |
| 12:12.05 | row | # resize2fs /dev/hda5 |
| 12:12.05 | row | resize2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) |
| 12:12.05 | row | The filesystem is already 14966539 blocks long. Nothing to do! |
| 12:12.26 | sep | row, you used some gui frontend perhaps that did both things for you ? |
| 12:12.33 | row | yes |
| 12:12.37 | row | I wish I had not now |
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| 12:12.45 | row | I normally stay clear of gui |
| 12:12.46 | wombachi | what does "[raggle ]" mean when doing "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" on some packages? |
| 12:12.52 | Slippy | anyone remember what the notice in auth.log is...something with reverse lookup? |
| 12:13.01 | PerfDave | There shouldn't be any problem using qtparted to resize a partition. |
| 12:13.13 | row | there is no data on it now tho |
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| 12:13.20 | row | there was over 30gb of stuff on it |
| 12:13.21 | sep | row, what error you get when mountnig ? |
| 12:13.24 | row | that I kinda would like back |
| 12:13.28 | row | none |
| 12:13.30 | row | mounts fine |
| 12:13.36 | row | and is empty apart from lost+found |
| 12:13.40 | sep | and mounts as ext2 ? |
| 12:14.03 | row | yeah I converted it to ext2 remeber |
| 12:14.05 | row | before resize |
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| 12:16.11 | dude__ | hi, my server not responding to my keyboard..i hv change to new keyboard but still no respond. I can access through ssh. what is going wrong here? what to check? |
| 12:16.38 | row | gui? |
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| 12:16.46 | dude__ | console |
| 12:17.19 | tarzeau | dude__: it's not ctrl-s is it? |
| 12:17.24 | undesktop | asg: I used a version older or equal to the version I used before the big update; but there it's the same: unuseable |
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| 12:17.27 | tarzeau | dude__: try pressing ctrl-q |
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| 12:17.50 | undesktop | asg: so it must be one of the libraries, but that's mainly gtk |
| 12:17.54 | dude__ | tarzeau : also nothing happen |
| 12:18.25 | dude__ | my keyboard work on bios setting..i already test on boot |
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| 12:18.51 | dude__ | im using stable ;( |
| 12:19.30 | rapidmax | dude: it also works in boot manager? |
| 12:19.34 | tarzeau | dude__: no idea, ps/2? usb? |
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| 12:19.55 | dude__ | work on grub, its ps/2 |
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| 12:20.13 | rapidmax | dude: default kernel? |
| 12:20.22 | dude__ | yes default kernel |
| 12:20.57 | dude__ | i can access normally through ssh right now |
| 12:21.04 | PerfDave | dude__: So your kernel works in on boot, works in grub and doesn't work once you get to the login screen? |
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| 12:21.21 | seldon | n |
| 12:21.26 | ThePiratemaster | can anyone help me fix vsftpd 2.0.3, it could not bind listening IPv4 socket |
| 12:21.36 | dude__ | yes |
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| 12:21.49 | dude__ | PerfDave: yes |
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| 12:21.53 | PerfDave | dude__: Does anything happen if you press Alt-F2 or something? |
| 12:21.58 | dude__ | no |
| 12:22.06 | dude__ | nothing happen |
| 12:22.21 | wombachi | dude__ does num lock key work? |
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| 12:22.55 | dude__ | not working ... also on new one |
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| 12:22.57 | rapidmax | dude__: does the keyboard works if you start in single user mode? |
| 12:23.08 | dude__ | i have try 2-3 keybaord alrready |
| 12:23.46 | dude__ | rapidmax : not yet |
| 12:24.05 | wombachi | dude__ I saw similar pblm with ps/2 keyboards : it stopped working if plug'd out then plug'd in, with no explanation (2.4 kernels each time) |
| 12:24.51 | ThePiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.51 | ThePiratemaster | <dude__> yes |
| 12:24.52 | dude__ | wombachi: yes..but still fail if i reboot |
| 12:25.02 | rapidmax | wombachi: you must not plug ps/2 in and out if the machine is running |
| 12:25.26 | qwertz_ | Hi! Can anyone recommend a VoIP programm? Have tried gnomemeeting (locks up when starting the setup wizard) and kphone (locks when the other side hangup its phone) |
| 12:25.45 | row | it found the partition guys |
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| 12:25.48 | row | how do I restore it |
| 12:25.49 | stew | ThePiratemaster: is something already listening to the ftp port? |
| 12:25.51 | ThePiratemaster | wtf is wrong with my pasting, it pasted "thedude__ yes" after my question |
| 12:25.52 | ThePiratemaster | O_O |
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| 12:26.04 | dude__ | well... i can see firewall log on the screen however...... |
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| 12:26.06 | ThePiratemaster | no |
| 12:26.07 | RichiH | !test |
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| 12:26.20 | J_P | hi all |
| 12:26.21 | RichiH | sussudio: i might be time to get out badger |
| 12:26.35 | ThePiratemaster | vsftpd 8527 root 3u IPv4 26208 TCP *:ftp (LISTEN) |
| 12:26.44 | dude__ | maybe this firewall log make my keyboard hang??????? |
| 12:26.48 | wombachi | rapidmax: ok, but it didnt cause problem on another os (m$)... |
| 12:27.01 | J_P | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.04 | Rawplayer | whats (m$) ? |
| 12:27.45 | rapidmax | wombachi: I mean the ps/2 hardware isn't designed to be hotplugged, you may destroy your hardware if you do |
| 12:27.54 | asg | Rawplayer: Microsoft |
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| 12:28.15 | ThePiratemaster | thats a curse word as far as i'm concerned |
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| 12:28.27 | lzzmn | hello |
| 12:28.45 | dude__ | rapidmax: it may destry motherboard or k/board itself? |
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| 12:29.06 | obscuresoul | hi |
| 12:29.07 | lzzmn | I am wolf in qq cluster 1212985, is lnzju here? |
| 12:29.46 | row | sep: gpart gave me the info I need. |
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| 12:29.51 | row | how do I restore it now tho? |
| 12:29.56 | sirius_ | sup my friends |
| 12:29.57 | row | gpart is kinda odd about that |
| 12:29.57 | sirius_ | :) |
| 12:30.28 | asg | J_P: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:30.38 | rapidmax | wombachi: both are possible, but I've to add that it don't most of the times (I even did that when I was too lazy to stop the machine) |
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| 12:32.46 | mastertet | Hello, I installed Sarge on my laptop. During the install, I configured exim to distribute mail locally only. Now, whenever I boot and I'm not connected to internet, boot hangs on starting MTA for more than one minute. How can I fix this? |
| 12:32.50 | wombachi | rapidmax: I've been forced to unplug ps2 keyboards many times without problem, indeed (in previous "helpdesk" job) |
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| 12:33.18 | asg | mastertet: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (choose minimal dns at the end) |
| 12:33.43 | mastertet | thanks asg :) |
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| 12:35.14 | ghikla | is there a chat group for glade? |
| 12:35.22 | asg | ghikla: probably on irc.gnome.org |
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| 12:35.52 | rapidmax | wombachi: as I said, it usually just works, but I saw a machine that was destroyed on this once |
| 12:35.55 | ghikla | asg, that group has no life, any other suggestion? |
| 12:35.56 | wombachi | what does "raggle" mean in apt-get dist-upgrade (lines like "Inst whiptail [0.51.6-23] (0.51.6-26 Debian:testing) [raggle ]")? A grep for "raggle" on apt source code dont show anything. |
| 12:36.18 | asg | ghikla: no sorry. Perhaps mailing lists or Usenet. |
| 12:36.56 | ghikla | i have tried to google for glade mail list, but nothing comes up. |
| 12:36.59 | JohnFlux | are wireless access points all the same? or one manufactorer preffered over another? |
| 12:37.32 | wombachi | rapidmax: amazing. I never saw a box "destroyed" by its keyboard |
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| 12:38.46 | rapidmax | wombachi: well it was an old one |
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| 12:39.44 | sep | JohnFlux, they all should function as wireless accesspotins, but there are several brands ofcouse, and varying quality. as everything else. you get what you pay for. |
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| 12:40.10 | JohnFlux | sep: they all seem the same price - gigabyte, linksys, belkin... |
| 12:40.15 | sep | JohnFlux, i have a fancy for orinoco. but that's just becouse that's what im used to. |
| 12:40.32 | JohnFlux | sep: I'll just pick the one that's the prettiest then |
| 12:40.35 | PerfDave | Every bit of Belkin kit I've ever used has been unmitigated shit :) |
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| 12:40.51 | sep | JohnFlux, from those 3 i'd choose linksuys |
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| 12:41.39 | mastertet | What's the best way to get a gnome desktop without kde, minimal install followed by installing gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 12:41.56 | DoppelGanger | wtf |
| 12:42.01 | speedy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.24 | Akbar | mastertet.. apt-get install gnome-core |
| 12:42.39 | Nod51 | x.org and all its libraries on the repositories yet? |
| 12:42.48 | ixion | does anyone here know about cisco? how can I find out what model router I am connected to? |
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| 12:43.11 | directhex|work | mastertet, you need x-window-system-core and gnome-desktop, i think. you might *like* x-window-system and gnome, though |
| 12:43.27 | wombachi | ixion: connect through serial line and type "show version" iirc |
| 12:43.33 | mastertet | Akbar, gnome-core will give me gnome without all the redoundant app I guess? |
| 12:43.47 | DoppelGanger | the words minimal and gnome should neverbe inthe same sentence |
| 12:43.50 | ixion | cheers |
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| 12:45.54 | speedy_ | gnome sucks |
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| 12:46.41 | mastertet | what do you use speedy_ |
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| 12:46.45 | Anders | no |
| 12:46.51 | undesktop | now I compiled scite by myself and it still doesn't work |
| 12:46.55 | undesktop | that's disgusting |
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| 12:47.08 | speedy_ | i use windows vista |
| 12:47.17 | DoppelGanger | :) |
| 12:47.20 | DoppelGanger | good answer |
| 12:48.07 | speedy_ | anders watch it :) |
| 12:48.40 | undesktop | and Anjuta also doesn't work |
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| 12:49.28 | qwertz_ | Is there a way to simulate input from a microphone, something like cat sound.wav > /dev/mic?# |
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| 12:49.40 | row | I got my files backs guys |
| 12:49.41 | row | :D |
| 12:49.42 | row | cheers |
| 12:49.53 | ricky_clarkson | qwertz_: cat /dev/random > /dev/audio |
| 12:49.57 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, nevermind. |
| 12:50.16 | lzzmn | celebration |
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| 12:51.09 | lzzmn | what's is the CICP VERSION? |
| 12:51.12 | mastertet | speedy_, using AfterStep? wonder if it is the same speedy I know |
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| 12:51.49 | speedy_ | mastertet nope |
| 12:51.54 | CosmoDad | is there a tool to securely erase files (i.e., by overwriting) available as debian package? |
| 12:52.02 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: shred |
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| 12:52.22 | rapidmax | CosmoDad: dd & /dev/random |
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| 12:52.42 | tdonahue | ok, this may be a stupid question, but has anyone else noticed large groups of packages missing from the mirrors? |
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| 12:52.52 | CosmoDad | PerfDave: can't find that on my testing rep, is this unstable/non-official ? |
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| 12:53.00 | speedy_ | what is the best kernel patches for linux hardening? |
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| 12:53.15 | CosmoDad | rapidmax: not much of a comfort... |
| 12:53.24 | wombachi | CosmoDad: wipe |
| 12:53.33 | speedy_ | i'm impressed with grsecurity, but i'm looking for more |
| 12:53.33 | CosmoDad | wombachi: cool thx |
| 12:53.47 | wombachi | CosmoDad try "apt-cache search deletion" by example |
| 12:54.09 | wombachi | CosmoDad then "apt-cache show wipe", etc |
| 12:55.00 | CosmoDad | wombachi: installed it, but the man-page says it's not reliable on journaling file systems... |
| 12:55.11 | CosmoDad | wombachi: have you tested that? |
| 12:55.24 | wombachi | CosmoDad nope, sorry |
| 12:55.54 | CosmoDad | wombachi: ok |
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| 12:58.03 | agent0range | can somone help me out with an "unknown location" error when using debootstrap |
| 12:58.09 | sirius_ | jah jah is real |
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| 13:00.12 | agent0range | E: unknown location ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fdutils/fdutils_5.4-20040228-1_i386.deb is the error .. what can i do, I've tried 2 differnet mirrors |
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| 13:02.49 | Roadrunne | Hi, how can I find out how often the 'RX bytes' and 'TX bytes' from ifconfig had been reset due to 4GB limit? |
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| 13:03.54 | landon| | hi guys, does anyone know how to get exim4 to deliver to a maildir that isn't ~/Maildir/ ? |
| 13:03.59 | rapidmax | Roadrunne: you have to watch the values and count yourself if the value wraps |
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| 13:04.41 | Slippy_ | anyone got a good idea how to get some good grepping on the logs for root-tail? |
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| 13:05.05 | Dazgar1 | hi |
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| 13:05.17 | ryan_ | sd |
| 13:05.18 | abrotman | donde esta dpkg! |
| 13:05.20 | blasty- | Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 13:05.20 | ryan_ | hi,all |
| 13:05.22 | blasty- | hmm.. ? |
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| 13:05.28 | abrotman | blasty-: /topic |
| 13:05.33 | Dazgar1 | where can i get a channel about net snmp plz ? |
| 13:05.41 | blasty- | ah, I see. |
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| 13:05.55 | |dennis| | landon| : in conf file, under maildir_home: section directory = $home/Maildir change Maildir to whatever you want it to be..i think.... |
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| 13:07.06 | Roadrunne | rapidmax: so I have no possibility afterwards? Our provider told me I have caused 10GB and ifconfig shows only 1GB. |
| 13:07.21 | undesktop | I read "gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage!" is that for C++ (isn't the C ABI standardizied) |
| 13:07.29 | undesktop | ? |
| 13:07.34 | landon| | |dennis|: hang on |
| 13:07.43 | undesktop | I thought the gcc C++ ABI was supposed to not change anymore |
| 13:07.54 | Dazgar1 | how can i get net snmp to send link[up/down] <with debian please ? |
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| 13:09.01 | landon| | |dennis|: my conf mentions dc_localdelivery='maildir_home' |
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| 13:09.11 | landon| | |dennis|: is that what you were getting at? |
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| 13:10.01 | |dennis| | landon| no ..read down a little more..there is a section called maildir_home: with a variable called directory = $home/Maildir |
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| 13:11.07 | |dennis| | landon|: you using a single conf or seperated conf files? |
| 13:11.37 | landon| | |dennis|: ah, exim4 generated a rather minimal conf- hardly any comments, and only 15 lines in length |
| 13:11.46 | landon| | |dennis|: single |
| 13:12.13 | landon| | |dennis|: /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf ? |
| 13:12.44 | row | hmm |
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| 13:13.42 | row | how do I recreate a partition if gpart is not seeing it but I know its not been touched and its at the start of the disk? |
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| 13:13.58 | row | so I can access its old data |
| 13:14.11 | caphuso | row: fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, parted, ... |
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| 13:14.20 | row | they all do that cool |
| 13:14.40 | |dennis| | landon|: add directory=$home/yourdir to that file and run update-exim4.conf and see what goes.. |
| 13:14.41 | caphuso | sure, as long, as you know how big the old partition was |
| 13:14.57 | row | yeah its at the start of the disk with a partition infront of it |
| 13:15.02 | row | its as large as it can fit in |
| 13:15.07 | row | there was no space inbetween before |
| 13:15.45 | landon| | |dennis|: k |
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| 13:16.39 | undesktop | is libfreetype in debian delivered with or without truetype bytecode interpreter? |
| 13:16.44 | twisti | hi |
| 13:17.01 | twisti | i need some mips related info, is there a channel for that? |
| 13:17.16 | landon| | |dennis|: /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.config: line 32: directory: command not found |
| 13:17.21 | caphuso | twisti: /msg ChanServ help list |
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| 13:17.31 | landon| | |dennis|: for: directory = $home/mail |
| 13:17.33 | row | caphuso, just so I don't fuck this up again do I use mkpart only not mkpartfs cause I want to keep whats there? |
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| 13:18.09 | caphuso | row: yes |
| 13:18.17 | |dennis| | landon|: you might also wan to try editing /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/30_exim4-config_maildir_home edxit the directory parameter there... |
| 13:18.18 | row | cool |
| 13:19.35 | twisti | caphuso: thx |
| 13:20.33 | landon| | |dennis|: no go |
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| 13:20.49 | landon| | |dennis|: it still delivers to Maildir |
| 13:21.01 | mastertet | Someone knows a gtk latex editor analog to kyle? |
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| 13:21.26 | landon| | mastertet: lyx? |
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| 13:21.57 | landon| | mastertet: strictly latex? |
| 13:22.09 | jeh_work | kile is good |
| 13:22.14 | jeh_work | of course, not gtk |
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| 13:22.22 | mastertet | lyx is not latex... |
| 13:22.26 | mastertet | landon, yeah |
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| 13:23.02 | row | caphuso, I think it all worked I think I am finally back to where I was before ie with all my data :D |
| 13:23.03 | greycat | ${#array[*]} is the size of the array. Let's store that one in "n". |
| 13:23.06 | greycat | bah! ECHAN |
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| 13:23.22 | |dennis| | landon|: restart exim4? |
| 13:23.32 | greycat | % is of course modulus (remainder). |
| 13:23.44 | greycat | Damn. I need to go back to bed or something. |
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| 13:24.07 | directhex|work | greycat, sleep is good |
| 13:24.35 | bodq | how would I make python2.4 the default python? |
| 13:24.52 | greycat | uh, install it? |
| 13:24.57 | landon| | |dennis|: same dealio. Is 30_exim4-config_maildir_home being used at all? |
| 13:25.24 | abrotman | did dpkg die a horrible death? |
| 13:25.30 | greycat | !where is dpkg |
| 13:25.34 | bodq | greycat: it's installed along with 2.3, and 2.3 is the default |
| 13:25.36 | greycat | !where's dpkg |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | right |
| 13:25.41 | greycat | hrm. |
| 13:26.01 | dpkg | here i am |
| 13:26.21 | greycat | well, /usr/bin/python is just a symlink |
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| 13:28.21 | ricky_clarkson | Hi. When I move my mouse, the pointer seems to move by a few pixels, not just one. Is there something I'm missing? |
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| 13:29.33 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: fix your glasses |
| 13:29.48 | vick | heh |
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| 13:32.13 | undesktop | how can I downgrade my whole system (debian unstable) to the state some weeks ago? |
| 13:32.21 | directhex|work | you can't |
| 13:32.32 | directhex|work | which is why you don't run unstable. |
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| 13:32.44 | undesktop | aha |
| 13:32.52 | tarzeau | doesn't torrent work behind NAT? |
| 13:32.56 | undesktop | what to use then? |
| 13:32.58 | sirius_ | undesktop huhu du deutscher |
| 13:32.59 | sirius_ | :D |
| 13:33.06 | undesktop | stable is always ancient |
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| 13:33.15 | sciron | tarzeau> it does, for me |
| 13:33.24 | undesktop | testing is just an automtisized unstable |
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| 13:33.35 | tarzeau | sciron: do i need to say more than btdownloadcurses the.torrent ? |
| 13:33.39 | landon| | undesktop: what?! |
| 13:33.59 | landon| | |dennis|: any additional tips? |
| 13:34.08 | undesktop | lanchow: what?? |
| 13:34.09 | directhex|work | undesktop, um... define "ancient", in the context |
| 13:34.10 | sciron | tarzeau> don't know, never used that client. you would need to know the obvious information, however, if you want to open those ports in iptables.... |
| 13:34.11 | undesktop | err |
| 13:34.14 | tarzeau | sciron: i get like: | error(s):[15:36:39] Problem connecting to tracker - timeout exceeded |
| 13:34.22 | undesktop | damn auto completion, that wasn't for lanchow but for landon| |
| 13:34.28 | tarzeau | sciron: did you open anything? which client do you use? |
| 13:34.46 | undesktop | directhex|work: not the newest stable releases of some big software packages |
| 13:34.53 | undesktop | i.e. KDE |
| 13:35.07 | sciron | tarzeau> i'm not good with iptables setups, and i've only used mldonkey and bittorrents clients, no, I didn't need to open anything, oskar andreason's iptables scripts were decent enough to work with bittorrents |
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| 13:35.15 | directhex|work | undesktop, both sarge and sid have kde 3.3.2 |
| 13:35.22 | directhex|work | undesktop, and what exactly do you need from kde 3.4? |
| 13:35.25 | undesktop | we're at KDE 3.4 |
| 13:35.39 | drac | define "we" |
| 13:35.44 | undesktop | well, mostly Konqueror |
| 13:35.51 | tarzeau | sciron: can i view those oskare andreason's iptables scripts of you? |
| 13:36.06 | undesktop | drac: oh, come on |
| 13:36.11 | sciron | tarzeau> www.iptables.org, look in the howto's, at the bottom, it's listed there |
| 13:36.14 | tarzeau | undesktop: experimental has it, i heard |
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| 13:37.08 | undesktop | anyway, all apps that use scintilla currently are broken under debian unstable |
| 13:37.24 | |dennis| | landon|: check you pm's .. let me know what goes... |
| 13:37.32 | undesktop | at least on my installation |
| 13:37.42 | landon| | |dennis|: whoops. will do. |
| 13:37.51 | directhex|work | undesktop, hold on... debian unstable is behaving in a manner which is not stable? :o |
| 13:38.08 | sciron | tarzeau> i would assume it's as easy as allowing ALL outbound traffic from your LAN, but that's getting a bit off topic I believe |
| 13:38.11 | undesktop | directhex|work: mostly it's just fine |
| 13:38.15 | Shadowcat | directhex|work: damn since when? |
| 13:38.19 | Shadowcat | !sidsmite undesktop |
| 13:38.25 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 13:38.34 | Shadowcat | where's that bot when you need it |
| 13:39.02 | Shadowcat | KDE 3.4 is at alioth |
| 13:39.14 | Shadowcat | I wouldn't recommend running that though |
| 13:39.24 | undesktop | why not? |
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| 13:39.43 | Shadowcat | because most of the packages hosted at alioth are unstable^2 |
| 13:39.57 | landon| | |dennis|: alleluiah |
| 13:40.24 | |dennis| | landon|: cool... :) |
| 13:40.26 | undesktop | btw, stable doesn't really mean to be "stable"... I had crashing programs etc. too when I once used stable |
| 13:40.27 | landon| | |dennis|: thanks a bunch |
| 13:40.33 | landon| | |dennis|: were u researching it all this time? |
| 13:40.47 | Shadowcat | undesktop: stable means it won't crash on it's own or do weird things |
| 13:40.51 | landon| | i editted the /var/... autogenerated one |
| 13:40.52 | Shadowcat | such as randomly segfault |
| 13:40.54 | sussudio | where'd dpkg go. |
| 13:41.00 | Shadowcat | crashes due to user idiocy isn't covered |
| 13:41.03 | dpkg | here i am |
| 13:41.04 | asg | sussudio: left a few hours ago |
| 13:41.04 | nkuttler | undesktop: and of course you filed a bug report? |
| 13:41.06 | directhex|work | undesktop, how do you define "stable"? if you read the documentation, in the debian context, it means it doesn't change unexpectedly |
| 13:41.08 | dimir | :-) |
| 13:41.10 | directhex|work | sussudio, summon badgers |
| 13:41.11 | |dennis| | landon|: nah...i had done the same thing a while ago...was just trying to remember where exactly i did it.... :) |
| 13:41.21 | undesktop | directhex|work: heh, it doesn't change at all |
| 13:41.29 | landon| | |dennis|: :) |
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| 13:41.33 | undesktop | nkuttler: no |
| 13:41.34 | sussudio | directhex|work: i would, but someone was very nasty about me not having badgers quit the instant dpkg came back the last time :-| |
| 13:41.55 | directhex|work | sussudio, so make him only listen to named calls, no shorthand punctuation |
| 13:42.03 | sussudio | mreh. |
| 13:43.18 | greycat | sussudio: nobody was nasty. You were just oversensitive. |
| 13:43.32 | sussudio | meh2. |
| 13:43.41 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 13:43.42 | landon| | FieldySnuts gets put down |
| 13:43.47 | FieldySnuts | I do? |
| 13:44.01 | landon| | in the most inhumane way imaginable |
| 13:44.06 | FieldySnuts | ~fix sussudio |
| 13:44.07 | apt | ACTION takes sussudio to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 13:44.07 | sussudio | weasels |
| 13:44.13 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Death by troll, darling. |
| 13:44.18 | FieldySnuts | Phated: oh. |
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| 13:44.51 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 13:44.55 | sussudio | !test |
| 13:45.00 | greycat | badgers: snake |
| 13:45.01 | badgers | methinks snake is sticky, creepy, or whispers. See also sco. |
| 13:45.03 | landon| | su su su su sudio |
| 13:45.17 | sussudio | %test |
| 13:45.18 | badgers | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
| 13:45.22 | sussudio | ohwell. |
| 13:45.27 | sussudio | i'll just leave it like that i guess. |
| 13:45.35 | greycat | !where's dpkg |
| 13:45.40 | sussudio | or not? |
| 13:45.42 | mastertet | landon, AmyEdit is small gtk based latex editor, but there are no debian packages :( |
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| 13:45.47 | directhex|work | %dachs sussudio |
| 13:45.47 | badgers | sussudio: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 13:46.06 | landon| | mastertet: does it have a decent interface? |
| 13:46.14 | landon| | mastertet: create one for the community :D |
| 13:46.22 | mastertet | landon: http://amyedit.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html |
| 13:46.24 | mastertet | looks nice |
| 13:46.32 | sussudio | !irritate FieldySnuts |
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| 13:46.47 | greycat | %where's dpkg |
| 13:46.48 | sussudio | ehm. |
| 13:46.48 | badgers | Dpkg? Don't know who you're talking about. Haven't seen him. Didn't kidnap him or eat him. *burp* Nope, sorry, no idea. |
| 13:46.49 | FieldySnuts | stop molesting me. |
| 13:47.07 | FieldySnuts | oo |
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| 13:47.27 | sussudio | oh good. it rewrites the blootbot.chan when i sighup. |
| 13:47.43 | landon| | mastertet: and it's been worked on in the past few months to boot! |
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| 13:47.57 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 13:47.59 | sussudio | !test |
| 13:47.59 | badgers | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
| 13:48.14 | landon| | mastertet: i remember a truckload of guis for latex that came out this past year |
| 13:48.18 | sussudio | it's always fun when configfiles are not backwards compatible. |
| 13:48.20 | landon| | mastertet: most of them died out |
| 13:48.26 | eXistenZ | is it better to allocate the space required for debian before or while installing it? |
| 13:48.34 | greycat | eXistenZ: doesn't matter. |
| 13:48.44 | landon| | eXistenZ: get it right the second time round |
| 13:48.45 | mastertet | landon, this one seem prety well alive |
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| 13:48.47 | greycat | do it whichever way you like better |
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| 13:49.05 | eXistenZ | how much space do you suggest me to allocate? |
| 13:49.07 | eXistenZ | for dekstop usage |
| 13:49.11 | eXistenZ | *desktop |
| 13:49.12 | sussudio | anyway, dpkg's latest database, same blootbot cvs version, blabla. should behave the same. |
| 13:49.15 | directhex|work | i found where d-i hides the ntfs resizing abilities. it's one of those "too obvious to notice" jobs |
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| 13:49.49 | ricky_clarkson | Any more sensible answers to this: Hi. When I move my mouse, the pointer seems to move by a few pixels, not just one. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 13:49.51 | directhex|work | eXistenZ, if you mean "gnome or kde desktop", then 10gb should ive ample room to expand. maybe add 5gb if you want to play unreal tournament 2003 or doom3 |
| 13:49.51 | sep | i am mounting a cifs share from an opennas server, to a sarge box. i am mounting with -o username=test,password=test,uid=test,gid=test. but the files are not owned by test when mounted, their owned by 10024 (shows numeric uid since i have no such user on my box), acording to man mount.cifs. this is becouse the remote server support the unix cifs extenstion.. how can i get the normal behavior when all files in the cifs is owned by my normal user, and no |
| 13:49.52 | sep | t this 10024 guy ? |
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| 13:50.00 | asg | ricky_clarkson: 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:50.15 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Yes. |
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| 13:50.20 | sussudio | !status |
| 13:50.20 | badgers | Since Mon Aug 1 13:47:39 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 2m 37s this session, and currently reference 24861 factoids. I'm using about 14968 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5.7/0.13 child 0/0.01 |
| 13:50.36 | asg | ricky_clarkson: try removing one of the two mouse definitions in your X config |
| 13:50.36 | ricky_clarkson | !ignore sussudio |
| 13:50.59 | Anthro | RAID support in the Linux kernel is endian-specific, and set of RAID'd disks cannot be moved from a big-endian machine to a little-endian machine. I consider this a bug. Given that I don't have the expertise to develop a patch to the kernel, what's the best way to get someone interested in fixing this? |
| 13:51.01 | ricky_clarkson | asg: I see what you're getting at. Will do. That requires an X restart, I assume. |
| 13:51.04 | sussudio | blootbot doesn't return a version? |
| 13:51.05 | asg | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 13:51.27 | asg | ricky_clarkson: the only other thing I can think of is a dirty mouse ball or fluff in the ball cavity. |
| 13:51.30 | einsteinmg | what is the recommend way to use capabilities on linux? |
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| 13:51.45 | sussudio | einsteinmg: eh? |
| 13:51.50 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Nah, pretty unlikely. |
| 13:51.56 | directhex|work | modprobe capability? |
| 13:52.11 | einsteinmg | capabilities are crap in the current impelementation... |
| 13:52.22 | einsteinmg | there are a few patches floting around |
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| 13:52.34 | einsteinmg | mount --bind --capabilitie=... file file |
| 13:53.00 | einsteinmg | or patch /usr/include/linux/capability.h and recompile kernel |
| 13:53.04 | sketchy | is it hard to set up debian to use the latest unstable packages, and are they maintained by the apt sources, or do you have to download the source and compile yourself? (im talking about latest ver's of php5 and mysql) |
| 13:53.07 | einsteinmg | or fs capabilities with patch, ... |
| 13:53.20 | einsteinmg | the problem is what's the 'recommend' way to use capabilities |
| 13:53.27 | einsteinmg | eg. useable way ;) |
| 13:53.28 | sussudio | !capabilities |
| 13:53.32 | asg | sketchy: /msg dpkg php5 (you get to keep both halves) |
| 13:53.38 | asg | sketchy: s/dpkg/badgers/ |
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| 13:53.48 | sep | Anthro, give them los and lots of money, so very few need what you ask for. |
| 13:53.49 | greycat | einsteinmg: ask ##linux or something. |
| 13:54.16 | greycat | "I want to use this weird Linux-only feature that's only halfway implemented..." generally means you won't find the answer in #debian. |
| 13:54.30 | Anthro | sep: Surely someone gives a crap about endian issues, right? |
| 13:54.35 | takisd | looking for simple iptables line to block an ip address on local net from going through firewall - all attempts have failed any ideas??? |
| 13:54.46 | greycat | takisd: ask #iptables |
| 13:55.08 | sirius_ | are iptables illegal? |
| 13:55.12 | landon| | takisd: are you filtering all outbound to only a few protocols? |
| 13:55.14 | sussudio | ... |
| 13:55.23 | greycat | sirius_: not in any country of which I'm aware |
| 13:55.26 | takisd | greycat: i literally type that in here right?? sorry for the silly q |
| 13:55.34 | sep | Anthro, sure, but when you take the amount of people that need to move raid disks from a little endian to a big endian, or backwards. and divide by the amount of them that can code well enoughf to do the task. you end up with almost 0 i think. therfor if you want your problem fixed. you pay soemone to care. |
| 13:55.35 | takisd | landon: yes |
| 13:55.39 | greycat | takisd: /join #iptables |
| 13:55.52 | einsteinmg | greycat: every real os has capabilities ;) |
| 13:55.54 | takisd | greycat: of course...sorry thanks.... |
| 13:55.54 | einsteinmg | ok thx |
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| 13:56.04 | Anthro | sep: Hmph. I was hoping for truth and beauty and such. |
| 13:56.09 | greycat | !truth |
| 13:56.10 | badgers | You can't handle the truth! |
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| 13:56.45 | sep | Anthro, most free coding happenes becouse a coder sees a need. as long as a coder dont have that problem. it wont be fixed |
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| 13:57.13 | sep | Anthro, but ofcouse you can pay someone to fix it. that's more common then you'd guess |
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| 13:57.27 | Anthro | sep: So, basically, I need to gain some expertise. Any idea whether such a fix would be accepted (assuming I did it well)? |
| 13:57.52 | sep | Anthro, ask linus |
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| 13:58.26 | sirius_ | linus is god, isnt he? |
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| 13:58.45 | sirius_ | after billgates |
| 13:58.45 | sirius_ | lol |
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| 13:58.49 | undesktop | oh yeah! installed an old libpango, and now apps using scintilla work again |
| 13:58.49 | sep | umm no.. but he do have a say on if a patch is allowed or not |
| 13:58.49 | Anthro | sep: I think I'll put that off until I have the expertise. Hrm. Maybe I could get IBM interested. I'm sure they'd like people to move their RAIDs from x86 to Power. |
| 13:59.07 | vick | in the manual package selection, + to add or - to remove and then in the end 'g' to install them all ? |
| 13:59.12 | sep | Anthro, i think it's easier to hook the things together and just transfer the data. |
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| 13:59.32 | horror_vacui | What |
| 13:59.36 | horror_vacui | ...damn... |
| 13:59.47 | eXistenZ | Does anyone know any guide for dual booting setup with windows xp? |
| 13:59.49 | Anthro | sep: Probably. The niche for cheap RAID solutions being moved from one endian to another is probably pretty small. |
| 13:59.58 | horror_vacui | Whenever I switch keyboards I'm bound to hit enter instead of the apostrophe... |
| 14:00.07 | asg | eXistenZ: install windows first, then debian. That's about it really. |
| 14:00.13 | sep | Anthro, exactly |
| 14:00.16 | horror_vacui | Also: what's the debian way of storing iptables rules and restoring them at boot? |
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| 14:00.33 | asg | horror_vacui: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* lists several preferred ways |
| 14:00.36 | eXistenZ | asg: Do I have to make a boot partition? |
| 14:01.03 | horror_vacui | asg: Thanks. |
| 14:01.03 | asg | eXistenZ: you can but newer systems don't really require them anymore. |
| 14:01.18 | eXistenZ | so instead, I the mbr does the job |
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| 14:02.01 | asg | eXistenZ: yes, let debian install grub in the MBR and it will take care of finding your XP setup. |
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| 14:05.35 | eXistenZ | how can I know what version of installation do I have for my setup cd? |
| 14:05.43 | eXistenZ | where is it written? |
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| 14:06.07 | sussudio | i'm guessing the disk label or some freaking README. |
| 14:06.12 | petemc | eXistenZ: when you boot off it, it should say at the boot prompt |
| 14:06.12 | asg | eXistenZ: should be in a README on the iso |
| 14:06.25 | asg | eXistenZ: if in doubt, /msg badgers d-i |
| 14:06.32 | eXistenZ | asg: it says "Debian GNU/Linux testing "Sarge" - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1" |
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| 14:06.42 | s0n1 | i use kde 3.4 in my notebook, but for more sound i use mp3blase ... don't have icon sound for kde? |
| 14:06.50 | s0n1 | i can use alsa? |
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| 14:07.00 | sussudio | no! you can't. everyone else can. |
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| 14:07.28 | sirius_ | how can i remove linux an install windows? |
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| 14:07.31 | sirius_ | linux sucks |
| 14:07.43 | sussudio | sirius_: byebye |
| 14:07.47 | asg | sirius_: insert windows disc, follow prompts. |
| 14:07.48 | sirius_ | ? |
| 14:07.48 | Slippy_ | sirius_: you suck |
| 14:08.00 | sirius_ | lol, funny |
| 14:08.17 | sussudio | off you go. |
| 14:08.32 | sirius_ | ... |
| 14:08.38 | takatumi | shoo... |
| 14:08.42 | streuner__ | Don't feed trolls... |
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| 14:09.11 | sirius_ | hey, this was just a little test, damn lol |
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| 14:09.27 | sirius_ | linux rules of course |
| 14:09.30 | al_ex | hi |
| 14:09.32 | horror_vacui | sirius_: Trolltest completed successfully. |
| 14:09.37 | sirius_ | xD |
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| 14:10.29 | *** topic/#debian is GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! | OH NO X.org! Beware breakage! | USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 14:10.30 | Phated | All our bot are belong to them? |
| 14:10.32 | sussudio | and it's back |
| 14:10.45 | Zizou | no...it does...but my comp doesnt have ethernet card... |
| 14:10.48 | sussudio | !fix boycer |
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| 14:11.00 | boycer | badgers: thanks |
| 14:11.00 | badgers | boycer: de rien |
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| 14:11.21 | sep | Zizou, then i'd rather get a network card for your computer then to mess with the usb adsl stuff |
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| 14:12.08 | boycer | sussudio: badgers == dpkg then? |
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| 14:12.21 | Phated | Badgers is dpkg's understudy. :) |
| 14:12.21 | badgers | Phated: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:12.32 | Phated | Think so, yeah. |
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| 14:12.36 | boycer | Phated: ah, thanks. |
| 14:12.54 | Phated | nidenou: Talk on-channel, please. |
| 14:12.58 | Kmorph | hi ShmuksAre43v3r |
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| 14:13.22 | sirius_ | !!onethreethreeeleven!! |
| 14:13.29 | abrotman | badgers: you suck |
| 14:13.30 | badgers | Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 14:13.39 | Zizou | sep, you thik? |
| 14:13.44 | sussudio | !sw abrotman |
| 14:13.44 | badgers | abrotman: you stats whore! |
| 14:13.53 | kofj | sh: dpkg-source: command not found what package should I install ?? |
| 14:13.54 | abrotman | sussudio: do you think i really need to whore? |
| 14:14.00 | asg | kofj: /msg badgers search |
| 14:14.01 | abrotman | nidenou: DO NOT MSG ME |
| 14:14.06 | Phated | Piggy: CANNIBAL! |
| 14:14.13 | sirius_ | abrotman nidenou also msgd me |
| 14:14.14 | Shadowcat | !msg |
| 14:14.14 | badgers | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. ... |
| 14:14.25 | abrotman | Piggy: want some milk? |
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| 14:14.46 | Zizou | sep, I I get an ethernet car..I just insert it in the comp and with base-config my sistem will get it? |
| 14:15.03 | Phated | Zizou: A proper card, yes. Something supported, maybe. |
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| 14:15.52 | Zizou | Phated, ok...I will have to buy one...what should i consider? |
| 14:15.57 | Phated | 3com. |
| 14:16.08 | sirius_ | !!onethreethreeeleven!! |
| 14:16.16 | abrotman | Zizou: one that works .. |
| 14:16.27 | abrotman | Zizou: and that you have available |
| 14:16.27 | sirius_ | 13311 |
| 14:16.33 | abrotman | the FA31x cards work well |
| 14:16.57 | directhex|work | abrotman, you got the random msg too? |
| 14:17.12 | sep | Zizou, depends on your adsl provider, you might have to get pppoe configured also |
| 14:17.13 | asg | directhex|work: from nidenou? |
| 14:17.16 | Zizou | abrotman, :S so I will get borrow all the card in the store and try wich ane works |
| 14:17.21 | directhex|work | abrotman, i've seen mixed results with the netgear cards. some systems they're sweet, some they sit & eat the cpu |
| 14:17.23 | directhex|work | asg, yes |
| 14:17.35 | asg | directhex|work: yes, earlier |
| 14:17.55 | abrotman | directhex|work: FA312? |
| 14:18.25 | sep | Zizou, if you have a provider that do ethernet, you should be clear to go, but if you have a provider that require username/password you probably need pppoe or pptp or something like that |
| 14:18.36 | petemc | eh? |
| 14:18.43 | directhex|work | abrotman, yes. some funny national semiconductor chip if i recall correctly |
| 14:18.54 | petemc | you get a adsl modem router that does ethernet, the provider has nothing to do with it |
| 14:19.10 | Zizou | sep, now im conect in ubuntu in my home... in other comp...So I think that I will no have problem with the provider in the debian comp |
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| 14:19.21 | msg43 | hi |
| 14:19.22 | sep | Zizou, then probably not |
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| 14:19.30 | msg43 | does debian come with xorg? |
| 14:19.43 | Zizou | sep, ok...tnks |
| 14:19.49 | Slippy_ | msg43: only unstable has it so far |
| 14:19.51 | jk | msg43: sarge does not, it's in unstable |
| 14:19.53 | sep | petemc, more providers round here give you a dumb adsl modem, your computer/or router must speak pppoe to conenct to network |
| 14:20.02 | msg43 | ok |
| 14:20.08 | petemc | sep: and thats what an adsl modem router does... |
| 14:20.16 | msg43 | what is the best way to update packages |
| 14:20.21 | msg43 | the laptop has no internet connection |
| 14:20.28 | msg43 | but the computer I'm on does |
| 14:20.35 | msg43 | so how can I get all the up to date packages? |
| 14:20.38 | sep | petemc, and adsl modem router is not the same as an adsl modem, you'r variety includes a router. |
| 14:20.47 | petemc | sep: whatever.. |
| 14:20.52 | sep | petemc, it all depends on what your provider sends you |
| 14:21.03 | petemc | sep: you're free to purchase one yourself |
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| 14:21.04 | sirius_ | blubb |
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| 14:21.15 | bodq | what's wrond with wxwindows in Debian? i.e. why isn't it in? |
| 14:21.15 | sep | petemc, i dont want adsl. i have fiber to the home |
| 14:21.21 | sirius_ | where can i buy linux 7.0? |
| 14:21.33 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 14:21.33 | asg | sirius_: cheapbytes.com |
| 14:21.39 | sciron | there's a linux 7? |
| 14:21.42 | Shadowcat | you can't "buy" linux |
| 14:21.45 | Shadowcat | sciron: no |
| 14:21.47 | directhex|work | bodq, "libwxgtk2.5.3 - wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GTK+ runtime)" |
| 14:21.49 | Shadowcat | sirius_ is a troll |
| 14:21.49 | sciron | Shadowcat> I know ;) |
| 14:21.52 | sirius_ | lol |
| 14:22.00 | directhex|work | bodq, did you even try apt-cache search wxwidgets? |
| 14:22.13 | Bodhi-Baum | and there is no Linux7 |
| 14:22.17 | Shadowcat | ops must be sleeping |
| 14:22.17 | sirius_ | can i do: apt-get remove apt-get? |
| 14:22.18 | Zizou | sep, you know..I download the second debian cd...but when I do apt-setup and select the source from cdrom...It read the cd but doesnt do anything..I I explore the cd...What should be on it? |
| 14:22.20 | bodq | directhex|work: is that for sarge? |
| 14:22.26 | Shadowcat | !ops sirius_ is trolling |
| 14:22.27 | badgers | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sirius_ is trolling |
| 14:22.32 | sirius_ | hwy? |
| 14:22.34 | sep | Zizou, dunno,. never used anything but cd1 |
| 14:22.36 | sirius_ | im just asking |
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| 14:22.44 | Zizou | sep, ok... |
| 14:22.46 | asg | sirius_: you have contributed nothing but stupidity to the channel. |
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| 14:22.56 | greycat | sirius_: you can "apt-get remove apt". |
| 14:23.04 | sirius_ | thats an answer |
| 14:23.11 | greycat | apt is the package name for the apt-get command, as you should have known by using "dpkg -S /usr/bin/apt" |
| 14:23.18 | bodq | directhex|work: also, it's not installable |
| 14:23.27 | Shadowcat | dpkg --force-essential remove coreutils |
| 14:23.29 | Shadowcat | type that sirius_ |
| 14:23.31 | Shadowcat | as root |
| 14:23.31 | greycat | err, /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 14:23.38 | sirius_ | i dont have root |
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| 14:23.44 | sirius_ | how can i get root? |
| 14:23.47 | Bodhi-Baum | bye for now |
| 14:23.47 | greycat | sirius_: then you can't remove it, stupid. |
| 14:23.51 | msg43 | How would I go about updating my system? I have no access on the debian system so were can I find the packages to download so I can send them to the debian machine |
| 14:23.56 | directhex|work | bodq, use libwxgtk2.4 then |
| 14:24.00 | Shadowcat | someone just ban him already |
| 14:24.04 | greycat | sirius_: your trolling session is now completed. have a nice day. |
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| 14:24.16 | bodq | directhex|work: it's 2.4 |
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| 14:25.02 | bodq | directhex|work: and, to mention 2.4 again, there's no wxPython for python2.4 |
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| 14:25.32 | asg | bodq: libwxgtk2.4 (on a plain sarge box) |
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| 14:25.39 | n0cturnal | would it be possible to forward port say 1234 from an ip on one interface, to another ip advertised within a private network? is this iptables prerouting ? or what? |
| 14:25.51 | bodq | asg, it's 2.4 :( and I wonder why isn't 2.5.3 installable |
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| 14:26.42 | igge | n0cturnal: you can do this using ssh tunneling |
| 14:26.50 | asg | bodq: because python 2.5 isn't in sarge |
| 14:26.51 | directhex|work | bodq, probably because 2.6 is out, and 2.5.3 was a devel release. try contacting the package maintainer |
| 14:27.00 | msg43 | Does anyone want to help me!!!! |
| 14:27.04 | msg43 | How would I go about updating my system? I have no access on the debian system so were can I find the packages to download so I can send them to the debian machine |
| 14:27.12 | bodq | asg, no i mean wx2.5.3 |
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| 14:27.19 | Shadowcat | msg43: stop repeating |
| 14:27.27 | asg | bodq: oh, disregard what I said then |
| 14:27.41 | Shadowcat | we heard you the first five times |
| 14:27.43 | bodq | directhex|work: it was removed this may, and it said "copiright issues" (???) |
| 14:27.52 | n0cturnal | the addresses are both interfaces on the same box, though i want external users to be able to access an internal service.. though normally only advertised on a private ip address |
| 14:27.55 | eXistenZ | is it preferred to use the Sarge installation method over methods? |
| 14:28.11 | greycat | yeah, methods suck. |
| 14:28.20 | directhex|work | gdmf methods -__ |
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| 14:28.22 | directhex|work | -_- |
| 14:28.51 | msg43 | Shadowcat, I don't think so cause I haven't got a dam reply |
| 14:29.08 | greycat | msg43: subscribe to d-s-a. you will get e-mail whenever a security update is released and it has URLs. |
| 14:29.26 | greycat | meanwhile, read the d-s-a list archives. |
| 14:29.33 | msg43 | greycat, were can I find the files? |
| 14:29.37 | Shadowcat | msg43: repeating will just make people ignore you even more |
| 14:29.43 | asg | msg43: the dsa's provide urls as greycat said |
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| 14:29.51 | asg | s/dsa's/DSAs/ |
| 14:29.55 | msg43 | I'm not worried about secrety |
| 14:30.03 | msg43 | cause this laptop is never online |
| 14:30.09 | directhex|work | he wants an up to date sid system with no intarweb access O_o |
| 14:30.09 | msg43 | I just want to be up todate |
| 14:30.10 | greycat | msg43: not our problem. |
| 14:30.21 | msg43 | so can I be linked to the repo's? |
| 14:30.22 | Shadowcat | directhex|work: that's not possible |
| 14:30.28 | directhex|work | msg43, which version of debian are you running on the laptop? |
| 14:30.29 | greycat | stick it on a network, or sneakernet it. whatever you want. |
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| 14:30.33 | kl1 | hi |
| 14:30.34 | directhex|work | Shadowcat, did i say it was? |
| 14:30.42 | Shadowcat | msg43: you want to be linked to a repository, you have to be online |
| 14:30.45 | msg43 | debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso that the iso Id ownloaed |
| 14:30.47 | Shadowcat | end of story |
| 14:30.49 | kl1 | anyone knows if xpde is on apt-get install? |
| 14:30.57 | sciron | apt-cache search xpde |
| 14:31.03 | msg43 | Shadowcat, can't I download the packages on computer a burn them to a cd send them to computer b? |
| 14:31.08 | directhex|work | kl1, no, because it can't be compiled without (proprietary) tools |
| 14:31.08 | kl1 | ok |
| 14:31.12 | igge | which package is 'ps' in? (I want to find the source) |
| 14:31.16 | greycat | msg43: just fucking DO IT and shut up. |
| 14:31.20 | asg | igge: /msg badgers search |
| 14:31.20 | sciron | pstools? |
| 14:31.21 | greycat | igge: dpkg -S $(which ps) |
| 14:31.25 | msg43 | I don't have dam repo |
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| 14:31.30 | msg43 | right now debian is installing |
| 14:31.30 | Shadowcat | msg43: not unless you know what packages AND dependencies you know |
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| 14:31.34 | greycat | !tell msg43 about dsa |
| 14:31.35 | Shadowcat | need* |
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| 14:31.42 | Shadowcat | and from what you're asking |
| 14:31.51 | greycat | msg43: get all the URLs from that archive. That's all you'll get. |
| 14:31.52 | msg43 | cause I need abiword and openbox |
| 14:31.56 | Shadowcat | you're definately not skilled enough for manual dependency troublesorting |
| 14:32.05 | msg43 | Shadowcat, bullshit |
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| 14:32.07 | greycat | msg43: then FUCKING DOWNLOAD THEM BY HAND WITH FUCKING WGET YOU FUCKING TROLL. |
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| 14:32.16 | msg43 | Greek0, were the fuck is it |
| 14:32.18 | igge | thanks! |
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| 14:32.23 | Shadowcat | hmm |
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| 14:32.29 | greycat | !pdo |
| 14:32.29 | badgers | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 14:32.38 | gbdrbobAFK | hello |
| 14:32.42 | greycat | !sing monday |
| 14:32.43 | badgers | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
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| 14:33.07 | gbdrbob | One of my sw-raid disks just failed :-( |
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| 14:33.54 | dvs | gbdrbob: What type of RAID? |
| 14:34.13 | gbdrbob | raid 1 |
| 14:34.16 | gbdrbob | If I replace it with a larger disk (Gb are so cheap these days) is it ok to use the extra space on the replacement as a non raid partition? |
| 14:34.27 | Shadowcat | gbdrbob: I don't recommend it |
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| 14:34.41 | Shadowcat | and not all raid controllers support that |
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| 14:34.58 | directhex|work | gbdrbob, with mdadm? yes, that's fine |
| 14:35.00 | dvs | Shadowcat: It's software raid but I agree with you |
| 14:35.11 | gbdrbob | it's software raid with mdadm, yes |
| 14:35.39 | directhex|work | gbdrbob, it's fine, then. |
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| 14:35.44 | rapidmax | gbdrbob: it will work, but have performance issues |
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| 14:36.12 | directhex|work | only if you use the raid and non-raid at the same time |
| 14:37.05 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 14:37.13 | gbdrbob | I'm just thinking of using it for non essential file storage (video files), won't have much access (it's a home mail server that will soon become a mythtv backen as well) |
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| 14:38.08 | eXistenZ | is 2.6 the most recent kernel |
| 14:38.10 | rapidmax | gbdrbob: then it's ok |
| 14:38.18 | zophyx | which X is the debian choice ? |
| 14:38.24 | dvs | eXistenZ: 2.6 what? |
| 14:38.34 | gbdrbob | The mail server uses the raid partiton + I'm adding a 200gb drive for mythtv. Thought that I could use the exra space on the replacemnt raid drive for a little extra video storage |
| 14:38.34 | asg | zophyx: xfree for sarge/etch, xorg for sid |
| 14:38.40 | dvs | eXistenZ: The latest one is 2.6.12.3 |
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| 14:38.46 | eXistenZ | I see |
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| 14:38.50 | gbdrbob | thanks for the advice |
| 14:39.00 | zophyx | asg: thanks for that |
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| 14:39.07 | directhex|work | eXistenZ, in terms of debian packages, linux-kernel-2.6.12-* |
| 14:39.17 | eXistenZ | I got the minimal installation CD |
| 14:39.36 | directhex|work | zophyx, xfree86 4.3 with backports on sarge & etch, xorg 6.8.2 on sid |
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| 14:39.44 | dvs | eXistenZ: That has 2.6.8 if you use the linux26 boot option |
| 14:39.44 | drac | s/linux-kernel/linux-image/ |
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| 14:39.58 | directhex|work | eXistenZ, kernel-image-2.6.8-* is the newest in sarge |
| 14:40.03 | directhex|work | drac, yesyesyes |
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| 14:42.03 | mls | ahh, cronenberg |
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| 14:44.56 | igge | it ssems that ps works by accessing the /proc directory, so it is highly linux specific |
| 14:45.02 | igge | is this correct? |
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| 14:45.32 | petemc | igge: every unix has ps |
| 14:45.52 | asg | igge: most unix systems have a /proc (linux just has extra stuff in /proc) |
| 14:46.22 | igge | ok.. so is there some sort of standard for the /proc ? |
| 14:46.48 | igge | petemc: yeah I know but I mean the implementation of ps |
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| 14:47.03 | asg | igge: generally, the only thing you can rely on is that /proc will contain directories corresponding to the PIDs of processes running. Anything else is generally system dependant. |
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| 14:47.37 | igge | ok |
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| 14:48.02 | radmin | hi any of you guys use xandros? |
| 14:48.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | not for a long time |
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| 14:48.41 | nvz | I'll bet the people in #xandros do |
| 14:48.43 | radmin | i just learned how to use the xandros network |
| 14:48.44 | asg | radmin: not likely in here |
| 14:48.49 | nvz | sciron: I didn't |
| 14:48.58 | radmin | xandros is debian |
| 14:49.04 | sciron | nvz> ty ;) |
| 14:49.05 | nvz | radmin: umm no |
| 14:49.08 | pureone | !based on debian |
| 14:49.08 | badgers | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 14:49.13 | abrotman | radmin: it most certainly is NOT |
| 14:49.22 | radmin | oh |
| 14:49.33 | radmin | debian based |
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| 14:49.43 | dunstabulos | is badgers a replacement while dpkg is down? |
| 14:49.53 | asg | dunstabulos: yes, for the time being |
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| 14:49.59 | abrotman | radmin: try #xandros |
| 14:49.59 | dunstabulos | asg, ty |
| 14:50.12 | radmin | how would i type that |
| 14:50.18 | abrotman | radmin: /join #xandros |
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| 14:51.51 | covux | is there a simple lightweigth network-monitoring program for users (_not_ for administrators) who use traffic-limited internet access? |
| 14:52.20 | asg | covux: iptraf perhaps |
| 14:52.54 | antgel | am trying to cross-compile firefox for win32. have install mingw32 packages, but still get: configure: error: w32api version 2.4 or higher required. |
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| 14:52.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | covux: see if your ISP provides one, or there's anyone who has writeen one |
| 14:52.59 | goccia | iptraf is not for users |
| 14:53.07 | covux | asg: its much to overloaded for the "simple" user. |
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| 14:53.20 | antgel | apt doesn't reveal anything about w32api - anyone know if it's available for debian? |
| 14:53.25 | petemc | bwm, nload |
| 14:53.26 | covux | Kamping_Kaiser: ok. |
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| 14:54.46 | goccia | covux: to get some stats : vnstat |
| 14:55.55 | goccia | covux: to have some fun : slurm :) |
| 14:57.00 | covux | goccia: yep. thats more what iam looking for. thanks alot |
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| 15:00.23 | tdonahue | i don't know if anyone that worked on getting Xorg working on debian is here, but if you are thanks for all the hard work you put into it |
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| 15:01.37 | Guerin | you'd want to congratulate dnusinow@debian.org |
| 15:01.40 | jetx | 2005 |
| 15:01.51 | Guerin | he's often on here, but seemmingly not today |
| 15:02.14 | tdonahue | is xorg known for decreasing the amount of memory that the xserver uses? |
| 15:02.25 | goccia | tdonahue: you are absolutely right : i've installed xorg on sarge just to see then i've reinstalled xfree and my system is alive and kicking :) |
| 15:02.25 | Guerin | tdonahue: not ttbomk |
| 15:02.30 | directhex|work | i didn't think that was one of xorg's traits |
| 15:02.35 | tdonahue | Guerin, thanks, i'll send him a note |
| 15:02.41 | goccia | really a good job |
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| 15:03.53 | n0cturnal | iptables -t NAT -A PREROUTING -p tcp,udp -i eth0 -d 202.202.202.202 --dport 27015 --sport 27015 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.1:27015 <-- that likely to work? |
| 15:04.17 | Guerin | tdonahue: there are a bunch of other people to credit as well, but gravity packaged it up and made it go into sid |
| 15:04.27 | aedwards | 6c |
| 15:04.28 | Guerin | n0cturnal: suck and see |
| 15:04.34 | Guerin | n0cturnal: and ask #iptables |
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| 15:04.46 | jc__ | good afternoon |
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| 15:05.28 | jc__ | I have problems with TABLE FULL in the masquerade, what's solution I can try to resolv this ? |
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| 15:05.40 | eXistenZ | is it important to have the latest Sarge installation version? |
| 15:05.51 | dvs | eXistenZ: no |
| 15:05.57 | Guerin | eXistenZ: yes |
| 15:06.07 | dvs | eXistenZ: there's only two official versions though |
| 15:06.12 | tdonahue | Guerin, is there a good mailling list that all/most of the people that worked on it should be on? |
| 15:06.14 | Guerin | the latest one, that being the one which was released, is the one that's not broken |
| 15:06.19 | Guerin | tdonahue: debian-x |
| 15:06.24 | directhex|work | eXistenZ, what do you mean by that? there's 3.1r0, and 3.1r0a which was released a day later |
| 15:06.26 | tdonahue | Thanks |
| 15:06.32 | eXistenZ | I got this version, Debian GNU/Linux testing "Sarge" - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 |
| 15:06.43 | Guerin | jc__: ask #iptables |
| 15:06.51 | Guerin | eXistenZ: what version? |
| 15:07.03 | dvs | Guerin: Where on the CD can you find the version? |
| 15:07.17 | jc__ | ok Guerin thanks |
| 15:07.19 | Guerin | dvs: boot screen |
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| 15:07.41 | Guerin | but testing "Sarge" says it's not a stable installer |
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| 15:08.02 | Guerin | it'll still install, but it might be expecting some package which isn't in sarge, or vice versa |
| 15:08.14 | Guerin | you might have to use expert or something |
| 15:08.17 | dvs | Guerin: Oh? testing sarge? Ok, get the official versioin |
| 15:08.22 | Guerin | depends how old it really is |
| 15:08.28 | eXistenZ | well, a few months |
| 15:08.40 | Guerin | suck and see |
| 15:09.00 | directhex|work | eXistenZ, you'd be advised to use a real 3.1 cd, tis only a 110mb download |
| 15:09.02 | AjLavJo | maybe someone shuold join the project then |
| 15:09.46 | Guerin | 3.1r0a |
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| 15:09.57 | dvs | eXistenZ: yeah 3.1r0a |
| 15:10.05 | eXistenZ | thank you guys for your sincere help |
| 15:10.25 | henk | so does anyone know how php5 is doing on debian? |
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| 15:10.55 | Guerin | henk: it's not doing anything on debian, afaik |
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| 15:11.55 | henk | i'm reading all kinds of flamewars on what package managing system is to be used etc, but php5 has been stable for month now so one whould think there should at least be some actvity |
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| 15:13.59 | jor | henk: it's in unstable, just showed up in the new packages list yesterday |
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| 15:14.09 | KeX | hi |
| 15:14.22 | KeX | anyone using open-xchange under debian ? |
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| 15:14.31 | ftsac | I run " who" and get alot of this line |
| 15:14.33 | usernameDeb01 | wtf? |
| 15:14.34 | ftsac | khoa pts/286 Jun 30 15:06 (:pts/207:S.38) |
| 15:14.42 | usernameDeb01 | dpkg is dead jim? |
| 15:14.50 | ftsac | but that user not connect to my box |
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| 15:15.02 | ftsac | how I can remove these mess |
| 15:15.08 | Guerin | !hello |
| 15:15.08 | badgers | Hi, guerin! |
| 15:15.10 | usernameDeb01 | so bots arent invulnerable after all heh |
| 15:15.21 | dvs | huh? dpkg is in disguise? |
| 15:15.21 | usernameDeb01 | so please sargeMates.. |
| 15:15.22 | usernameDeb01 | ;] |
| 15:15.28 | directhex|work | %dachs usernameDeb01 |
| 15:15.32 | directhex|work | hmph |
| 15:15.34 | directhex|work | !dachs usernameDeb01 |
| 15:15.34 | badgers | usernameDeb01: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 15:15.41 | Guerin | badgers, badgers is dpkg's understudy |
| 15:15.42 | badgers | ...but badgers is already something else... |
| 15:15.50 | Guerin | badgers, badgers |
| 15:15.51 | badgers | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !! |
| 15:15.55 | FromTO | I have a problem compiling 2.12.3 kernel. when I make modules it exists with an error the first of which is "drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:33:19: gamma.h: No such file or directory". I know the gamma functions are marked as broken but what am I supposed to do in this case |
| 15:15.57 | Guerin | badgers, badgers is also dpkg's understudy |
| 15:15.57 | badgers | okay, Guerin |
| 15:16.00 | usernameDeb01 | best text only irc chat client please and thanks ;] |
| 15:16.06 | Guerin | !best irc client |
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| 15:16.15 | Guerin | stuuuuupid badgers |
| 15:16.18 | Guerin | irssi-text |
| 15:16.35 | usernameDeb01 | thanks Guerin ;] |
| 15:16.45 | Guerin | FromTO: not compile your own kernel unless you have sufficient clue? |
| 15:17.02 | Guerin | FromTO: regardless, this is exactly 0% by weight on-topic |
| 15:17.27 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
| 15:18.00 | directhex|work | considering there's a 2.6.12 package in sid... |
| 15:18.03 | Lee__ | I think FromTO has coded a new version of the Linux kernel! |
| 15:18.14 | Lee__ | you should submit it to kernel.org! |
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| 15:18.16 | henk | jor really... hmm will it install on sarge ? |
| 15:18.26 | Guerin | henk: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 15:18.53 | henk | Guerin does badgers know ? dkpg is gone |
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| 15:19.03 | FieldySnuts | ~smite badgers |
| 15:19.07 | FromTO | ok so it was a typo mistake but can you guys help or just talk bs... the kernel 2.6.12.3 |
| 15:19.12 | sussudio | !irritate FieldySnuts |
| 15:19.12 | badgers | FieldySnuts: hi every1 who uses kde plz msg me, asad2k5 |
| 15:19.18 | Lee__ | dpkg is gone!? |
| 15:19.18 | Guerin | henk: ask |
| 15:19.28 | directhex|work | !wayc FromTO |
| 15:19.28 | badgers | FromTO: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 15:19.30 | Guerin | !wayc FromTO |
| 15:19.32 | FieldySnuts | FromTO: doesn't really matter anyway, as Guerin already covered |
| 15:19.36 | Guerin | pwn3d |
| 15:20.00 | henk | Guerin ah yes backports.org is missing he apache2 module. god knows why |
| 15:20.07 | henk | the even |
| 15:20.19 | Guerin | henk: there are other methods |
| 15:20.24 | Guerin | anyways |
| 15:20.26 | Lee__ | !tell FromTO about make-kpkg |
| 15:20.27 | Guerin | bedx0rz |
| 15:20.32 | FieldySnuts | later |
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| 15:21.05 | FromTO | Guerin: the reason why I am building the kernel because I mistakenly updated udev and now I cannot use apt-get it needs later version of kernels |
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| 15:21.29 | directhex|work | !info linux-image-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 |
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| 15:21.50 | henk | Guerin other methods for getting sid's packages backported to sarge you mean? |
| 15:22.00 | directhex|work | stupid bot |
| 15:22.08 | Guerin | henk: ask about simple sid backport |
| 15:22.12 | Guerin | really bedtime now |
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| 15:22.40 | henk | Guerin thnx |
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| 15:24.58 | Mindship-01 | how do I indicate the start of a new line in the description part of the debian/control file? |
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| 15:26.43 | Yevgeniy | 0.0 |
| 15:26.48 | Yevgeniy | where's my buddy dpkg |
| 15:26.48 | Mindship-01 | sorry |
| 15:26.53 | Mindship-01 | I know agsin |
| 15:26.54 | greycat | !where's dpkg |
| 15:26.55 | badgers | Dpkg? Don't know who you're talking about. Haven't seen him. Didn't kidnap him or eat him. *burp* Nope, sorry, no idea. |
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| 15:27.11 | Yevgeniy | :0 |
| 15:27.17 | Mindship-01 | stupid me... |
| 15:27.20 | sussudio | !botsex Yevgeniy |
| 15:27.33 | kneet | If both dpkg and badgers are blootbots then I have to sometimes wonder what badgers has been taking |
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| 15:27.51 | Yevgeniy | yuck |
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| 15:28.51 | Yevgeniy | hm |
| 15:28.56 | Yevgeniy | badgers looks cute |
| 15:28.57 | badgers | Yevgeniy: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 15:29.41 | nse | I recently upgraded to Gnome 2.10 and Totem has no sound now. The volume is high and other apps such as XMMS is working fine. How to go round this? |
| 15:29.41 | elirips | hello people. it's an OT question, but does anyone know what the critical temperature for a pentium mobile is? i am a little bit worried, because as soon as I do something cpu-intensive the temperature goes very quickly up to around 85-90°C? Is that okay? |
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| 15:29.55 | femtoid | anyone want to try something and see if its funky for you? if you have a samba share, mount it on localhost then try touching a file on it, does it freeze for you? |
| 15:30.29 | asg | elirips: Thermal 1: ok, 42.0 degrees C (I've never seen this go above 56 or so.) |
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| 15:30.36 | abrotman | funky .. mount .. no thanks |
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| 15:30.47 | _linuxAS_ | hi |
| 15:30.48 | femtoid | abrotman: :) oh come on, its fun. |
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| 15:31.00 | abrotman | femtoid: could i not . i mean .. my users are using that thing |
| 15:31.18 | femtoid | you can mount it more then once right? |
| 15:31.33 | tarzeau | greycat: i was asked about the license of the contents at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ again... |
| 15:31.35 | femtoid | any of your users using it FROM a linux distro? |
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| 15:31.38 | morphinex | Hi... I have a rather scary problem with my debian distro. Last nite I suddenly started getting errors from all programs that my file system was read-only. it started with something as simple as some errors when loading my pages i apache, then apache shutdown when restarting, complaining about the same thing... and after trying to reboot, the system halts before loading completely with a grub error 17... i'm in desperate need for some help! |
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| 15:32.00 | Justin | morphinex: time to buy a new hard drive |
| 15:32.02 | elirips | asg: uuhh.. my cpu usually never goes bellow 50°C.. what's wrong here? defect fan? any way to test the fan? |
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| 15:32.20 | tarzeau | elirips: open the computer, look at the fan |
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| 15:32.22 | asg | elirips: do you hear it running? It should be quite noticable. |
| 15:32.25 | tarzeau | elirips: you mean above , not below |
| 15:32.27 | femtoid | this just keeps getting weirder.. |
| 15:32.32 | greycat | tarzeau: well... that's a complex issue. |
| 15:32.32 | morphinex | Justin: f**k... i was hoping that wasn't the answer... are my files lost? |
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| 15:32.48 | aaronlin | How do I go about configuring my soundcard on Debian? |
| 15:32.52 | tarzeau | greycat: is that what i should answer him? |
| 15:32.54 | asg | aaronlin: /msg badgers sound |
| 15:32.55 | elirips | asg: it is running, i can hear it. well, now that compiling stoped, it quickly goes down to 55°C again. |
| 15:33.09 | femtoid | RHEL->localhost: no freeze, RHEL->debian: no freeze, debian->localhost: freeze, debian->RHEL: freeze |
| 15:33.20 | greycat | tarzeau: what does he actually want to know? |
| 15:33.25 | asg | elirips: well, compiling will put a strain on hardware. Try either throttling the cpu down or nicing the compile process to see if that helps. |
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| 15:33.35 | elirips | tarzeau: nope, unfortunatly I mean below. My cpu temp never goes bellow 50°C. |
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| 15:33.37 | nse | I recently upgraded to Gnome 2.10 and Totem has no sound now. The volume is high and other apps such as XMMS is working fine. How to go round this? |
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| 15:33.44 | greycat | nse: stop running gnome? |
| 15:33.50 | greycat | no, wait, that would be too sensible. |
| 15:33.55 | greycat | we couldn't have *that*. |
| 15:34.01 | asg | no, we couldn't |
| 15:34.12 | nse | greycat: what do you mean |
| 15:34.23 | greycat | j#bash |
| 15:34.26 | tarzeau | greycat: "What licence does the debian-faq-wiki use?" |
| 15:34.28 | elirips | asg: let's say if in theoretically my cpu would burn-out, would that be covered by the ibm-warranty? |
| 15:34.38 | greycat | tarzeau: none has been selected. |
| 15:34.44 | boogie | well, the sensible thing would've been to use what worked: gnome 2.8. |
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| 15:34.53 | asg | elirips: well, that depends on if IBM sanctions the use of linux on the hardware. |
| 15:34.58 | greycat | tarzeau: and any license which the wiki maintainer may select *now* would not retroactively apply to posts made in the past. |
| 15:35.02 | jor | nse: probably need to set the gstreamer back-end (should be somewhere in the preferences), atleast my guess would be that totem uses that by default nowadays |
| 15:35.05 | tarzeau | greycat: that means? no copying around and translating? |
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| 15:35.17 | tarzeau | greycat: unless talked to the wiki maintainers and getting their agreements |
| 15:35.27 | femtoid | smbfs, is that in the kernel? |
| 15:35.36 | tarzeau | greycat: any suggestion on what license to set for from now on? |
| 15:35.37 | Lee__ | femtoid: yes, as a module |
| 15:35.41 | aaronlin | thanks asg |
| 15:35.46 | greycat | tarzeau: depends on how anal you want to be about it. I can't think anyone that contributed would object to someone translating their entries. |
| 15:35.49 | elirips | asg: you really think that using linux might cause them to refuse to repair it on warranty? not really, or?? |
| 15:35.53 | eXistenZ | is it preferred to print the manual or any documents before heading into installing it? |
| 15:36.01 | eXistenZ | through sarge installation |
| 15:36.04 | femtoid | so.. if I'm having a problem with smbfs, I'd need to upgrade my kernel? |
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| 15:36.18 | Lee__ | femtoid: what's the output of 'modinfo smbfs' |
| 15:36.21 | femtoid | how can I find out the version of smbfs I'm using? |
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| 15:36.23 | femtoid | ok lemme check |
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| 15:36.33 | gniretar | hi everyone |
| 15:36.36 | asg | elirips: it might, it's hard to say and IANAL |
| 15:36.44 | dvs | eXistenZ: Well, whichever why is easiest to read for you |
| 15:36.46 | Papaya^ | how do i modprobe my kernel modules? |
| 15:36.53 | greycat | Papaya^: man modprobe |
| 15:36.55 | nse | jor: the totem's preferences is very simple. i can't find nothing like you're saying |
| 15:36.56 | asg | tarzeau: provided it's a license that's free, you have my vote on the content I've put up. |
| 15:36.57 | gniretar | modprobe 'modulename' |
| 15:36.57 | dvs | s/why/way |
| 15:36.58 | greycat | Papaya^: see also man modules |
| 15:37.02 | femtoid | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.ko |
| 15:37.05 | elirips | asg: well, thanks. let's hope i dont need to test it.. and.. whats the meaning of 'IANAL'? |
| 15:37.06 | Papaya^ | thanks |
| 15:37.10 | Papaya^ | ;) |
| 15:37.10 | asg | !IANAL |
| 15:37.11 | badgers | Keeping in mind that I am not giving legal advice, or otherwise practicing as a lawyer without legal qualifications and official registration, however, it is my opinion that "IANAL" means "I Am Not A Lawyer." - Therefore I am a nice person. |
| 15:37.21 | Lee__ | femtoid: so your kernel's fine. looks like it's a user configuration problem. what's up? |
| 15:37.27 | Papaya^ | :* |
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| 15:37.36 | abrotman | asg: didn't you stay at a holiday inn express last night ? |
| 15:37.39 | mtoups | does anyone know of a debian package like "CD Architect" in windows? it is for mastering audio CDs. i want to take a large .wav file and master it to a cd with track breaks, without having to manually go through and make seperate .wav files in audacity (which is what i have been doing) |
| 15:37.40 | tarzeau | asg: wtfpl, artistic or gfdl, gnu gpl? |
| 15:37.45 | asg | elirips: look into cpu throttling though (underclocking) to reduce the load and hopefully your system will behave a little better. |
| 15:37.53 | femtoid | if I connected from the localhost to the share, and touch a file, it freezes, if I connect (with smbmount) from redhat ent. to that share, and touch, its fine |
| 15:37.59 | Lee__ | mtoups: I believe cdrecord takes a TOC file. |
| 15:38.01 | jor | nse: no, I mean the general gnome preferences. there usually something in there called 'multimedia selection' or whatever it's called nowadays in gnome |
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| 15:38.12 | elirips | asg: yep, cpu throttling is working fine on kernel 2.6.11.9. i'm often using it to save some battery. |
| 15:38.22 | asg | abrotman: last time I stayed in one, I had an itch for days afterwards. |
| 15:38.27 | nse | jor: ah ok. you mean gnome preferences. I'll set it |
| 15:38.52 | morphinex | I have a rather scary problem with my debian distro. Last nite I suddenly started getting errors from all programs that my file system was read-only. it started easy, but when trying to reboot, the system halted before loading with a grub error 17... justin here says it's time to buy a new harddrive. does this mean my files are lost? |
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| 15:38.53 | abrotman | asg: does your wife know? |
| 15:38.59 | mtoups | Lee__: yeah but i want something interactive to let me find gaps in the audio to insert track breaks |
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| 15:39.07 | Kylixen | I am having difficulty configuring my samba server on my debian box to use LDAP for authentication. I can't seem to find samba.schema. It's supposed to be included with samba, but it wasn't with the apt package. |
| 15:39.08 | asg | tarzeau: gfdl, but I'm not that bothered. I didn't contribute as much as others such as greycat. |
| 15:39.15 | Kylixen | Anybody have any pointers for me? |
| 15:39.20 | asg | abrotman: who do you think scratches it whilst I'm typing? |
| 15:39.31 | cahoot | mtoups: gramofile has that kind of functionality |
| 15:39.36 | Lee__ | femtoid: what's the samba log say? Perhaps you should try #samba? |
| 15:39.37 | abrotman | asg: your kid? .... |
| 15:39.37 | row | at what sector would a partition start on a hdd? |
| 15:40.04 | row | ie if I want to restore a partition from the start of the disk to a set sector how would I find the start...? |
| 15:40.07 | femtoid | Lee__: #samba is far less then helpful... the says nothing during or after the freeze (even at level 10), and it seems to only be on debian :/ |
| 15:40.11 | abrotman | asg: so not funny .. i should be beat |
| 15:40.15 | asg | abrotman: haha, we have made a decision not to spawn |
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| 15:40.31 | monmat | Hello guys |
| 15:40.32 | abrotman | asg: that's right .. i don't want to be feeding your kids! |
| 15:40.38 | monmat | Anyone from the UK ? |
| 15:40.46 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:40.52 | asg | monmat: originally yes, but I don't live there anymore. |
| 15:40.54 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 15:41.04 | mtoups | cahoot: gramofile looks interesting. thanks! |
| 15:41.04 | Lee__ | femtoid: I'd guess it's a NetBIOS name lookup problem. Are you on a Windows domain? |
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| 15:41.18 | monmat | How much money get a web oriented software developer in the south of the UK ? per month |
| 15:41.35 | femtoid | Lee__: no... can I disable netbios lookups? ... it ONLY happesn when the client tries to update the timestamp |
| 15:41.38 | abrotman | monmat: you'd do better to look for a salary survey |
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| 15:42.37 | Whisky_ | what command line player can i use to play some alert sounds ? |
| 15:42.43 | tarzeau | Whisky_: play |
| 15:42.48 | abrotman | monmat: http://www.payscale.com/salary-survey/vid-18070/fid-7217 .. etc |
| 15:42.49 | Lee__ | femtoid: that might be a limitation of smbfs in the kernel. Try mounting it with the "noatime" option. |
| 15:42.50 | tarzeau | Whisky_: from pkg "sox" |
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| 15:42.58 | femtoid | Ok, just tried a third Deiban box... same thing :( |
| 15:43.11 | femtoid | Lee__: in -o? |
| 15:43.13 | abrotman | but damn .. if i can make that doing PHP in london .. i'm moving |
| 15:43.14 | cahoot | Whisky_: aplay if you already have alsa |
| 15:43.22 | Lee__ | yes. |
| 15:43.25 | monmat | thanks abrotman |
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| 15:43.40 | abrotman | monmat: google "England salary survey" |
| 15:43.49 | femtoid | Lee__: didn't help :( |
| 15:43.56 | Lee__ | femtoid: could you make a bug report and submit it to bugs.debian.org? |
| 15:44.05 | glasse | Is it considered bad practice to email a package maintainer with a question about the package? |
| 15:44.15 | jtza8 | before I write one, is there a script in /etc/init.d or some place where I can set my LEDs? |
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| 15:44.46 | femtoid | Lee__: I will... but for now, I need to get something working:) |
| 15:44.54 | Whisky_ | k |
| 15:45.03 | sciron | jtza8> which kernel version? |
| 15:45.05 | antgel | jtza8: you can set numlock on/off in /etc/console-tools/config |
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| 15:45.15 | dvs | glasse: Did you ask here first? |
| 15:45.23 | jtza8 | Thanks |
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| 15:46.03 | jtza8 | antgel: is there a manual for these kind of Debian specific things. |
| 15:46.22 | greycat | glasse: asking the debian-user list is preferred |
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| 15:46.50 | femtoid | Lee__: where is noatime documented? |
| 15:46.50 | glasse | dvs: No, it's a very specific question about the internals of the package libvte4, I didn't expect anyone here would be able to answer. |
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| 15:47.03 | Lee__ | femtoid: either mount or fstab manpages |
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| 15:48.23 | femtoid | what is osyncisdsync? |
| 15:48.31 | antgel | jtza8: there is documentation on www.debian.org. other than that, a combination of experience, the d-u mailing list, and here. |
| 15:49.12 | greycat | femtoid: something like micasaessucasa perhaps? |
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| 15:49.17 | jtza8 | antgel: Thanks, atleast that will keep me from asking stupid questions. :) |
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| 15:50.14 | femtoid | thanks gc |
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| 15:51.09 | femtoid | noatime option is less then useful. This Sucks.. this is the first time I've seen RH work out of the box better then debian, my virgin eyes are scared, I can't unsee this |
| 15:52.01 | SimonRaven | sacrilege |
| 15:52.04 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 15:52.10 | femtoid | :) |
| 15:52.36 | Lee__ | femtoid: Debian has no box! |
| 15:52.52 | usernameDeb01 | so dMates.. |
| 15:52.56 | Lee__ | aka, think outside of the box. |
| 15:53.00 | usernameDeb01 | on this laptop |
| 15:53.01 | femtoid | :) |
| 15:53.07 | femtoid | I know |
| 15:53.10 | Lee__ | femtoid: if you submit a bug report, you may get more useful feedback. |
| 15:53.11 | usernameDeb01 | exact same model as 1st sarge install |
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| 15:53.36 | usernameDeb01 | is refusing to allow 1024x768 resolution @ 15bit color?? |
| 15:53.49 | usernameDeb01 | its exact sister installed and allowed res ?? |
| 15:54.03 | usernameDeb01 | no clue diff tween exact same installs please? |
| 15:54.05 | femtoid | Lee__: and I will do that... but if I don't get this debian machine talking to this RHEL machine shortly, I might be out of a job.... and they DO talk, but a 30 second pause after EVERY file operation isn't cutting it ;) |
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| 15:54.15 | lestat | hi all |
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| 15:54.41 | Lee__ | femtoid: why are you using SMB for Linux->Linux communication? |
| 15:54.42 | lestat | question: is there a way to make dselect (or dpkg) "forget" selections? |
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| 15:55.01 | usernameDeb01 | hmmm |
| 15:55.07 | usernameDeb01 | and dpkg is down? |
| 15:55.10 | dvs | lestat: If you still are in deselect, X |
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| 15:56.05 | lestat | dvs: nah, I set some days ago some selections, then I worked with synaptic, and now I want to start with a "clean" dselect |
| 15:56.11 | mwilson | I think someone asked him that last night, when he was complaining about it. |
| 15:56.16 | SimonRaven | answer: no, but can change settings |
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| 15:57.44 | lestat | so, I have to change each package's setting, right? |
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| 16:00.18 | femtoid | how can I figoure out my versions of smbfs? |
| 16:00.47 | asg | femtoid: apt-cache policy smbfs |
| 16:00.55 | mwilson | femtoid: You still haven't answered... why are you using SMB to communicate between these two machines? |
| 16:00.59 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:01.15 | femtoid | so the kernel driver doesn't matter? |
| 16:01.36 | Lee__ | femtoid: please don't use SMB for linux->linux communication. there are many, many better ways. |
| 16:01.49 | Lee__ | SMB should stay in the Windows ghetto. |
| 16:01.51 | femtoid | Lee__: like what? I'm 100% open to something else |
| 16:01.57 | femtoid | NFS is nasty |
| 16:02.04 | gniretar | femtoid: depending on what you need to do, SCP is porlly the easiest way |
| 16:02.07 | Lee__ | femtoid: ssh is the fastest. |
| 16:02.13 | greycat | NFS is the standard way. |
| 16:02.17 | gniretar | prolly* |
| 16:02.19 | greycat | unless you have security requirement |
| 16:02.23 | femtoid | I understand taht, but I'd much rather mount it |
| 16:02.25 | gniretar | NFS is bitchy to set up |
| 16:02.33 | greycat | NFS is *trivial* to set up |
| 16:02.36 | greycat | what fucking planet are you people on? |
| 16:02.39 | philips | and a security risk |
| 16:02.40 | greycat | vi /etc/exports; exportfs -a |
| 16:02.41 | greycat | DONE! |
| 16:02.44 | Lee__ | if you need to mount a network volume stick with NFS. if you are on a secure LAN it's really simple. |
| 16:02.47 | mwilson | When did NFS become anything OTHER than trivial? |
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| 16:03.05 | mwilson | Your only problem is going to be synchronization of UID's. |
| 16:03.08 | greycat | it's probably "bitchy" to set up because he has some super-l33t iptables skr1pt |
| 16:03.16 | gniretar | lol |
| 16:03.18 | femtoid | I have a lot of scripts, and what I need to do is check if files exist (-e) before reading from other files... so I couldn't figure out how do to that OVER scp in a perl script |
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| 16:03.19 | tarzeau | gniretar: NFS is a oneliner to set up |
| 16:03.23 | mwilson | And depending on what you're doing, that more than likely isn't a problem. |
| 16:03.24 | tarzeau | samba is teh bitch |
| 16:03.36 | gniretar | samba is the bitch 2 |
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| 16:03.49 | greycat | femtoid: you want to check whether a file exists on some *other* system? |
| 16:03.52 | Lee__ | femtoid: yes you can. read about the authorized_keys file for ssh users. |
| 16:03.55 | gniretar | scp is fast (relatively)and easy |
| 16:03.57 | gniretar | with no setup |
| 16:03.59 | greycat | femtoid: why? why not just run the script *on* the other system? |
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| 16:04.17 | tarzeau | gniretar: but it's not mountable |
| 16:04.24 | asg | tarzeau: shfs |
| 16:04.26 | gniretar | dunno, i have had issues with NFS between solaris/bas/linux |
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| 16:04.33 | femtoid | greycat: b/c I am not in control of this box, it is maintined by our vendor (thus RHEL and not debian), and I don't trust that they won't squash my scripts |
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| 16:04.36 | gniretar | and since i run a mixed house |
| 16:04.41 | gniretar | it isnt worth metting with |
| 16:04.50 | gniretar | messing* |
| 16:05.00 | greycat | femtoid: you set up *SAMBA* on a box you don't control, but you think NFS is off limits? |
| 16:05.06 | femtoid | lee__: we have the authorized keys working... but how can we -e it? |
| 16:05.06 | greycat | !pal femtoid |
| 16:05.11 | mls | scp script server:; ssh server script |
| 16:05.17 | gniretar | if you are using 2 linux boxes |
| 16:05.19 | tarzeau | asg: hey wait i think i built those, at gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 16:05.22 | gniretar | hen NFS for the win |
| 16:05.23 | tarzeau | asg: you tell me how to use it? |
| 16:05.24 | gniretar | then* |
| 16:05.26 | eXistenZ | well, I installed debian through Sarg installation, and now the screen appears seemingly without any GUI ;/ am I supposed to install one |
| 16:05.26 | greycat | badgers: pal $1 is <action> points at $1 and laughs(| hysterically) |
| 16:05.27 | badgers | okay, greycat |
| 16:05.27 | Lee__ | femtoid: search CPAN for the ssh Perl module |
| 16:05.29 | femtoid | greycat: I didn't say NFS was off limits, I just don't know if things like locking will work etc... |
| 16:05.44 | greycat | WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NEED LOCKING TO CHECK WHETHER A FILE EXISTS? |
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| 16:05.52 | asg | tarzeau: shfsmount user@machine:/mnt/point /mnt/point |
| 16:05.53 | femtoid | as of right now, NFS is the way I'm going to go |
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| 16:06.06 | femtoid | what is shfs? |
| 16:06.07 | mwilson | greycat: Because he actually has no idea how NFS works? |
| 16:06.07 | greycat | and what space alien told you that SAMBA would let you lock files on a unix box? samba server-side isn't even in kernelspace! |
| 16:06.07 | tarzeau | asg: wow, that really sounds easy. anyone can do that, or only root? |
| 16:06.25 | nse | jor: both of the input and the output in the audio system is setted to oss. is there any trouble with that? |
| 16:06.28 | asg | tarzeau: anyone if shfsmount is suid. |
| 16:06.35 | femtoid | greycat: Ok, the locking line was lame, sorry :) |
| 16:06.49 | asg | tarzeau: sudo is also a way around that as well as autofs |
| 16:06.51 | tarzeau | asg: do you have yours suid root? |
| 16:07.14 | greycat | asg: doesn't shfs require kernel support? |
| 16:07.18 | femtoid | Ok, I guess I'll try nfs |
| 16:07.20 | asg | tarzeau: I do but this isn't a multi user box. I'd probably not have it suid on a multi-user system and look at other avenues. |
| 16:07.23 | asg | greycat: it does |
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| 16:07.35 | jor | nse: should work, but note that only 1 app can use it at a time. Also make sure gnome's annoying esd servers isn't enabled |
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| 16:07.41 | asg | greycat: m-a makes short work of that. |
| 16:07.54 | greycat | ah. |
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| 16:08.06 | greycat | (of course that doesn't help in a heterogeneous environment) |
| 16:08.08 | femtoid | greycat: your NFS oneliner, I run that on both boxes? |
| 16:08.16 | greycat | femtoid: are you *completely* ignorant? |
| 16:08.19 | greycat | never mind. don't answer that. |
| 16:08.31 | asg | greycat: for simple things, it's pretty handy. |
| 16:08.55 | nse | jor: do you have any good option for me then? which one i should use to be able to play sound with two applications? How to know if esd servers are enabled? |
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| 16:09.03 | greycat | I mean, sure, it's a pain in the ass that Debian/Linux has to use a totally different exports(5) syntax from everything else, but still... |
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| 16:09.16 | greycat | you'd think anyone who's moving to samba has at least *used* NFS previously. |
| 16:09.17 | mwilson | greycat: I didn't find it to be THAT different. :) |
| 16:09.18 | tarzeau | is it possible it has some pretty under the belt black humour? |
| 16:09.22 | femtoid | 20+ year old tech that has been used in numerious exploits. |
| 16:09.24 | gorby | My debian box's primary net adapter is its wireless lan card (on a static ip useing wpa) I want to set up the boxs wired connection for dhcp relay from my router (useing a hub and a peice of x-over) Will eth0 need more than a static address/subnet in ../network/interfaces ? |
| 16:09.40 | greycat | mwilson: /home -access=foo:bar:baz,root=backupserver |
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| 16:10.03 | Snadder | anyone remember what the chat protocol.. with support for messages crypted for a group of people is named? |
| 16:10.08 | femtoid | greycat: that is a totally false assumption - SMB is the de facto standard for talking to a mixed envrion (win/linux), why in the hell would you use NFS in that situation? |
| 16:10.12 | greycat | mwilson: compared to /home foo(rw,sync) bar(rw,sync) baz(rw,sync) backupserver(rw,no_root_squash,sync) |
| 16:10.26 | Yevgeniy | from personal experience - is Canon i250 printer "driver compatible" with any Bj-### model? |
| 16:10.30 | stranger | hi everybody |
| 16:10.36 | gorby | My debian box's primary net adapter is its wireless lan card (on a static ip useing wpa) I want to set up the boxs wired connection for dhcp relay from my router (useing a hub and a peice of x-over) Will eth0 need more than a static address/subnet in ../network/interfaces ? |
| 16:10.41 | greycat | femtoid: NFS is the de facto file sharing technology on Unix systems, since 1985 or so. |
| 16:10.41 | stranger | how to restart the sound |
| 16:10.43 | mwilson | femtoid: Amazingly enough, you're NOT talking about a mixed environment, eh? |
| 16:10.50 | greycat | samba is a fucking upstart. |
| 16:11.01 | Lee__ | Samba is the de-facto standard for crazy complicated ways to do simple things. |
| 16:11.06 | jor | nse: well, gnome's default way is still with esd. which can be enabled somewhere in the gnome preferences. But then you need to set the gstreamer backend to also use esd and everyother application. Newer way is using alsa with dmix plugin, but that's a bit experimental and harder to set up |
| 16:11.08 | stranger | I started kde and it said the sound system is not avilable |
| 16:11.10 | tarzeau | Lee__: well said |
| 16:11.12 | Kylixen | exit |
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| 16:11.30 | Lee__ | Try reading the Samba docs. OMG. You will hate Microsoft even more. |
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| 16:11.47 | femtoid | mwilson: no, in this case I am not. I am going from a box that IS in a mixed envrionment to one that is unix->unix. I have been told numerious times that nfs is inhernetly insecure. |
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| 16:11.55 | mwilson | Lee__: So, you're another one that automatically assumes MS created SMB, huh? |
| 16:12.09 | tarzeau | femtoid: what unix exactly? |
| 16:12.14 | greycat | femtoid: samba is inherently insecure. |
| 16:12.20 | Lee__ | mwilson: no, but the Samba docs reveal a lot of what's behind Windows networking. |
| 16:12.22 | greycat | There. Now you have been told that samba is inherently insecure. |
| 16:12.24 | greycat | Feel better? |
| 16:12.25 | femtoid | greycat: I know this as well. |
| 16:12.38 | Lee__ | Computer networks are inherently insecure |
| 16:12.39 | femtoid | tarzeau: Linux, better? |
| 16:12.42 | tarzeau | femtoid: it's up to the user/root to make things secure |
| 16:12.54 | greycat | So now that you have been told that BOTH solutions are inherently insecure, can you look PAST that one little point and choose the RIGHT ONE for the job? |
| 16:13.06 | tarzeau | femtoid: who the fuck tells you numerious times that nfs is inherently insecure? |
| 16:13.30 | sciron | gssapi is a bit of help |
| 16:13.35 | femtoid | greycat: Oh, you mean like I admited I was going to do, then asked for a small bit of help since A) I've obviously never used it and B) you seemed to have an easy way to do it? |
| 16:13.36 | greycat | *god damn* we need a new NFS. |
| 16:13.56 | greycat | something simple to use but with a modicum of security. and ubiquitous. |
| 16:14.16 | greycat | 'course I might as well dream of FTP finally dying while I'm out here in neverland |
| 16:14.31 | asg | greycat: we can get one, it's getting the proprietary os folks to get on the bandwagon. |
| 16:14.37 | tarzeau | greycat: hahahaha |
| 16:14.38 | greycat | femtoid: man exports. that's the server side. |
| 16:14.50 | femtoid | greycat: thank you. |
| 16:14.52 | greycat | asg: and it must not involve LDAP. Period. |
| 16:15.08 | stouset | greycat: Yeah, instead of LDAP we'll use XML! |
| 16:15.10 | asg | greycat: of course, authentication and authorization should be pluggable. |
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| 16:15.23 | greycat | asg: ugh, that's even worse. |
| 16:15.41 | stouset | greycat: XML and Java! And .NET! |
| 16:15.46 | tarzeau | asg: please no PAM |
| 16:15.49 | stouset | greycat: And some RSS too! |
| 16:16.03 | mls | i'm just going to write everything down on a piece of paper |
| 16:16.17 | Lee__ | How bout a network mountable FTP-based filesystem over the Internet with security?</sarcasm> |
| 16:16.25 | nse | jor: ok. in the gstreamer backend I have two options avaliable: oss and custom. nothing that sounds like esd. what's the way to set up esd? |
| 16:16.32 | mls | like the gmail filesystem? |
| 16:16.46 | greycat | webdav can actually be used in a filesystem-ish way |
| 16:16.48 | asg | tarzeau: the concept is good, the implementation is odd and brittle. |
| 16:16.49 | Zizou | Hi...Im instaling debian firts cd...I just install an ethernet card and aparently my sistem recognize it...but when is configuring DHCP ..it tells me an error |
| 16:16.52 | stouset | nse: You need the esd plugin |
| 16:16.52 | liran | im suddenly seeing some weird ports opened which i haven't seen before |
| 16:17.02 | asg | liran: fuser, lsof |
| 16:17.06 | tarzeau | does someone know NetInfo ? |
| 16:17.08 | jor | nse: to get the esd backend you need to install gstreamer-esd |
| 16:17.11 | liran | asg: right, let me check. |
| 16:17.11 | stouset | nse: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins |
| 16:17.17 | Lee__ | tarzeau: you mean the OS X thing? |
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| 16:17.27 | tarzeau | Lee__: no, the NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP thing |
| 16:17.32 | liran | asg: alright so lsof is kinda huge, checking fuser |
| 16:17.35 | Lee__ | inherited by OS X |
| 16:17.40 | tarzeau | Lee__: but yes, they've just bought it |
| 16:17.44 | greycat | liran: lsof -i |
| 16:17.52 | greycat | or (*GASP*) read the man page? |
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| 16:18.10 | mqduck | could anybody point me to a site with information about what kinds of video cards are well-supported by the kernel? |
| 16:18.16 | Lee__ | no, I fear netinfo. You can't even use the /etc/hosts file on OS X because of it. |
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| 16:18.34 | liran | greycat: heh yeah, using those commands for the first time, gimmie a min to catch it's thingie :) |
| 16:18.35 | nse | stouset: my sound isn't working in totem. gnome should came with all the packages that do normal things, such as playing sounds. ? |
| 16:18.38 | tarzeau | Lee__: at least it scales. unlike unix /etc/hosts or nis |
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| 16:18.46 | usernameDeb01 | is dpkg bot down mates? |
| 16:18.46 | greycat | grepping out java helps. |
| 16:18.51 | greycat | !where's dpkg |
| 16:18.51 | badgers | Dpkg? Don't know who you're talking about. Haven't seen him. Didn't kidnap him or eat him. *burp* Nope, sorry, no idea. |
| 16:18.53 | stouset | mqduck: If you're going to be running X, then it's X video card support you're interested in. |
| 16:18.57 | tarzeau | Lee__: you know there's tools to import/exoprt to unscalable unix like /etc/hosts ... |
| 16:19.00 | Lee__ | I love it when my sleek OS X workstation scales :) |
| 16:19.01 | Danamania | (and /etc/hosts seems to work happily here) |
| 16:19.17 | tarzeau | Lee__: you've missed OPENSTEP. really |
| 16:19.28 | Lee__ | yeah I did. It sounded pretty cool. |
| 16:19.30 | greycat | mqduck: the kernel generally isn't the place where you need video card support, for most purposes... what were you planning to do? |
| 16:19.31 | mqduck | stouset: well, you know where i can find information about that? |
| 16:19.40 | Lee__ | I'm not trolling, I just fought with netinfo a lot. kinda bitter. |
| 16:19.53 | tarzeau | Lee__: it's not too late: ftp://ftp.sunwizard.net/pub/ ftp://ftp.sunwizard.net/pub/MiscOS/NeXT/OpenStep/ |
| 16:20.04 | Lee__ | I can run it on my NeXT cube! |
| 16:20.29 | tarzeau | Lee__: you know. women can be bitter. not computers |
| 16:20.39 | greycat | operating systems can be bitter, though |
| 16:20.59 | tarzeau | greycat: even if you like one? |
| 16:21.00 | Lee__ | when I put my tongue to the battery on my motherboard, it tastes bitter. |
| 16:21.01 | mqduck | greycat: well, apparently what i mean to ask for was about X support :) |
| 16:21.15 | usernameDeb01 | dpkg? anyone?.. 3rd or so day here n no clues.. not a one ;] |
| 16:21.29 | SimonRaven | Lee__: netinfo is a pita |
| 16:21.38 | greycat | mqduck: for 3d gaming, nvidia card + XFree86 (sarge) + binary nvidia drivers (/msg dpkg nvidia one-liner) |
| 16:21.39 | Lee__ | !tell usernameDeb01 about badgers |
| 16:21.42 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: anything better that scales? |
| 16:21.52 | stouset | mqduck: Sec. |
| 16:21.52 | greycat | mqduck: for anything else, an older Radeon + X.org (sid) |
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| 16:21.56 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: eh? |
| 16:22.01 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: NetInfo |
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| 16:22.17 | Lee__ | tarzeau: LDAP? :) |
| 16:22.30 | SimonRaven | i'm just commenting because i sometimes have to deal with it, and it's such a pain |
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| 16:22.36 | Lee__ | Active Directory!!! |
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| 16:22.38 | SimonRaven | openldap++ |
| 16:22.39 | stouset | mqduck: apm ark ati atimisc chips cirrus cirrus cirrus cyrix dummy fbdev glide glint i128 i740 i810 imstt linux mga neomagic newport nsc nv r128 radeon rendition riva128 s3 s3virge savage siliconmotion sis tdfx tga trident tseng vesa vga via vmware |
| 16:22.41 | tarzeau | Lee__: please |
| 16:22.42 | SimonRaven | ad-- |
| 16:22.46 | Lee__ | j/k |
| 16:22.47 | stouset | mqduck: Those are the supported chipsets in unstable |
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| 16:23.00 | mqduck | greycat: all i need is a very cheap card. i just want to know which architecture will give me the least trouble |
| 16:23.00 | usernameDeb01 | alas.. lost in irssi must be says yoda |
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| 16:23.20 | greycat | mqduck: if you're prepared to run x.org, the radeon will be far better and easier |
| 16:23.26 | stranger | hi all.. |
| 16:23.27 | SimonRaven | mqduck: ppc |
| 16:23.29 | stouset | mqduck: Get an old nvidia card, GeForce 3 or something. They're cheap as hell now, and well supported by xorg. |
| 16:23.31 | greycat | mqduck: but I can't tell you which specific models are supported |
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| 16:23.57 | greycat | general linux rule of thumb #27358: any hardware more than 2 years old works pretty well. |
| 16:24.12 | mqduck | :) alright then |
| 16:24.15 | Lee__ | FireGL X2 supported with x.org here |
| 16:24.21 | stranger | I installed kde and when it starts it gives me this error 'Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied) The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
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| 16:24.34 | liran | heh thats weird. BitchX is listening on port 2649 UDP... and sendmail on port 587 which is submission... whatever that is. anyone got a clue? |
| 16:24.39 | stouset | mqduck: You'll probably have better luck with nvidia than ati. ati cards are supported okay under X nowadays, but still have some problems with framebuffer consoles |
| 16:24.40 | asg | stranger: adduser <user> audio |
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| 16:25.19 | mo79 | which player plays wma files |
| 16:25.23 | asg | liran: 587 is a local tcp injection port for mail |
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| 16:25.26 | sciron | vlc and mplayer |
| 16:25.30 | stouset | mo79: totem-xine |
| 16:25.31 | greycat | mo79: mplayer with w32codecs |
| 16:25.36 | liran | asg: which is bad right? |
| 16:25.38 | usernameDeb02 | k.. gave up on irssi real quick.. |
| 16:25.44 | greycat | asg: "local"? |
| 16:25.54 | usernameDeb02 | have to rtfm on it 4sure |
| 16:25.54 | eXistenZ | asg: am I supposed to install user interface manually? because after I installed debian with Sarge it wasn't installed |
| 16:25.58 | stouset | liran: is it listening only on the lo interface? |
| 16:26.06 | asg | greycat: local as in to your internal network |
| 16:26.13 | stouset | eXistenZ: the CLI is a user interface |
| 16:26.14 | asg | eXistenZ: yes |
| 16:26.15 | mo79 | thank you |
| 16:26.21 | liran | stouset: looks like it. tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:587 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 16:26.26 | eXistenZ | well, a graphical user interface |
| 16:26.34 | stouset | eXistenZ: But assuming you mean a desktop environment, it's up to you to install GNOME or KDE or the environment of your choosing |
| 16:26.52 | tarzeau | eXistenZ: or GNUstep he means |
| 16:26.53 | greycat | asg: the intention of the "other SMTP port" is that it should be open to the world but it should require users to be authenticated for mail submission. |
| 16:26.57 | eXistenZ | stouset: I see, and what browser is installed automatically with Sarge? |
| 16:26.59 | SimonRaven | oh i see someone saw that movie |
| 16:27.00 | Lee__ | !tell eXistenZ about install x |
| 16:27.01 | tarzeau | i'm so angry and mad |
| 16:27.01 | eXistenZ | I couldn't find lynx |
| 16:27.12 | asg | greycat: ah, then I misunderstood its intent. |
| 16:27.13 | stouset | eXistenZ: none, as far as I know. |
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| 16:27.25 | asg | greycat: thanks for the clarification |
| 16:27.27 | stouset | eXistenZ: links, maybe |
| 16:27.29 | Lee__ | I think wget is installed with the base system |
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| 16:27.36 | stouset | Lee__: it is |
| 16:27.37 | greycat | !info wget sarge |
| 16:27.46 | stouset | greycat: dpkg is down :) |
| 16:27.52 | eXistenZ | stouset: neither links =/ |
| 16:27.55 | greycat | badgers doesn't do !info? |
| 16:27.56 | badgers | greycat: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:27.58 | tarzeau | streuner1, streuner__ where are you? |
| 16:27.59 | greycat | ~info wget sarge |
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| 16:28.18 | eXistenZ | stouset: what is the best user enivronment used? |
| 16:28.26 | greycat | doesn't say 'base' there. |
| 16:28.27 | stouset | eXistenZ: Then install it. apt-get install links2 |
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| 16:28.35 | naddar | how i can start the editor |
| 16:28.50 | tarzeau | naddar: type "mcedit" |
| 16:28.58 | greycat | eXistenZ: the best user environment? probably your mom's basement, with all the pizza you can eat. |
| 16:29.00 | Lee__ | eXistenZ: fluxbox, or xfce4, or gnome. |
| 16:29.02 | stouset | eXistenZ: It depends on what you want. I prefer GNOME. Others prefer KDE, XFCE, WindowMaker, Fluxbox, Blackbox, Enlightenment... |
| 16:29.06 | naddar | tarzeau: i'm on linux |
| 16:29.13 | tarzeau | naddar: so what? |
| 16:29.15 | naddar | but i seen on the filescreen run |
| 16:29.15 | stouset | !start a de war |
| 16:29.23 | tarzeau | naddar: the kernel doesn't have an editor |
| 16:29.23 | naddar | it whont work mcedit |
| 16:29.31 | naddar | ok |
| 16:29.35 | naddar | i understand |
| 16:29.39 | tarzeau | naddar: you want to apt-get install mc, of course |
| 16:29.40 | naddar | i'm new at it |
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| 16:30.20 | naddar | tarzeau: thanks |
| 16:30.20 | YargoFlick | naddar: or try nedit, vim, emacs, etc... |
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| 16:31.04 | davrieb_ | naddar: or tell us what kind of editor zou want |
| 16:31.05 | stouset | eXistenZ: We're really not trying to be difficult. Honest. If you want a console web browser, then do apt-get install links2 (or lynx, or whatever you prefer). If you want to install GNOME or KDE, do apt-get install gnome, apt-get install kde, apt-get install xfce4, or whatever other desktop environment you want to run. |
| 16:31.35 | naddar | davrieb_: yesterday i have a editor where i can write the code and then click run and left of me i see the example |
| 16:31.41 | naddar | but i forget what it whas |
| 16:31.45 | liran | btw, how should i relate to raw enteries in netstat? like raw 0 0 0.0.0.0:17 0.0.0.0:* 7 |
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| 16:31.52 | nse | jor, stouset: You are not going to believe me. The Totem volume was mute, there was a bug latest version, which setting it to the lower or to the higher produced the same effect, now it's fixed, i think. I was mute. :S |
| 16:31.53 | Lee__ | he may be looking for the "linux" desktop. some of my friends think that means Gnome. |
| 16:32.17 | stouset | nse: hehe |
| 16:32.50 | sussudio | info? |
| 16:32.51 | greycat | nobody should be given gnome as their first desktop, unless it's with the sadistic intention of then going on to give them something better |
| 16:32.55 | stouset | Lee__: I think he didn't know about apt, which is why he asked for a web browser when we mentioned he had to install the DE himself. |
| 16:32.58 | nse | jor, stouset: It was a strange situation that Gnome do not come with all the packages to do normal things such as playing sounds. |
| 16:33.06 | stouset | Lee__: Was probably gonna grab the sources and compile by hand. |
| 16:33.10 | davrieb_ | naddar: doesn't soud for familar to me. |
| 16:33.20 | stouset | nse: It does, by default. |
| 16:33.20 | sussudio | mreh. timriker probably moved it to another configfile. |
| 16:33.22 | sussudio | !info test |
| 16:33.26 | naddar | np i can use vi or something |
| 16:33.29 | naddar | thanks anyway |
| 16:33.38 | Lee__ | nse: yes it does. |
| 16:33.50 | davrieb_ | naddar: what code did you edit? c, c++, or something else |
| 16:34.04 | naddar | i'm new so i start to learn python |
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| 16:34.06 | naddar | :) |
| 16:34.09 | sussudio | !dict badger |
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| 16:34.20 | naddar | have too find a good tutorial |
| 16:34.24 | sussudio | ... |
| 16:34.35 | usernameDeb02 | k mates.. having devil of a time with display resolution?? |
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| 16:34.47 | usernameDeb02 | have 2 exact same toughbook models.. |
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| 16:35.15 | usernameDeb02 | one installed / configured display as i chose.. 1024x768 @ 15bit color.. |
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| 16:35.35 | naddar | davrieb_: is python good to learn programming? |
| 16:35.38 | usernameDeb02 | my 2nd only experience installing sarge on 2nd identical toughbook.. |
| 16:35.43 | sciron | naddar> depends on who you ask |
| 16:35.52 | usernameDeb02 | REfuses to accept same exact settings ?? |
| 16:36.04 | naddar | like to write a program for my video collection |
| 16:36.12 | sciron | naddar> that's an awful subjective question |
| 16:36.13 | usernameDeb02 | ugly rough fonts and max 800x600 res? |
| 16:36.14 | naddar | the i can add them and search |
| 16:36.38 | usernameDeb02 | any clues where to start troubleshooting this diff tween identicfal laptops please? |
| 16:36.39 | davrieb_ | naddar: i found python quite nice, but i am not relly experienced with it |
| 16:36.44 | usernameDeb02 | thanks |
| 16:36.56 | naddar | davrieb_: ic |
| 16:36.57 | sciron | naddar> and my own personal opinion is I don't like python, but it's just that: opinion |
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| 16:37.08 | naddar | sciron: why you dont like it? |
| 16:37.12 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: Did catch what the problem was |
| 16:37.13 | davrieb_ | naddar: maybe it was an python ide, like drpython |
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| 16:37.20 | gniretar | nevermind |
| 16:37.23 | Internett | hi |
| 16:37.35 | Internett | anyone knows the command to see the ram memory? |
| 16:37.39 | gniretar | top |
| 16:37.44 | gniretar | internett: top |
| 16:37.46 | usernameDeb02 | anyone present running sarge on a cf-71 toughbook perchance experienced this? |
| 16:37.54 | Internett | oh ok |
| 16:37.55 | gniretar | yo |
| 16:38.03 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: patience |
| 16:38.04 | sciron | naddar> it might have been the syntax, it might have been the way functions and variables are handled, i don't know, i liked perl better, but dropped that too. i still prefer c, am currently learning java |
| 16:38.17 | liran | i must share this with you |
| 16:38.18 | usernameDeb02 | gniretar, excuse me? |
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| 16:38.26 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: be patient |
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| 16:38.34 | liran | the only bad thing in debian is it's logo |
| 16:38.41 | liran | heh |
| 16:38.42 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: we are looking, wait a few minuts between repeatingh questions |
| 16:38.46 | naddar | sciron: i know c is cool but i'm 100% new on programming |
| 16:38.55 | greycat | liran: did you see the one *before* the swirl? |
| 16:38.57 | liran | whose with me? we'll petition lol |
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| 16:39.03 | usernameDeb02 | gniretar, i didnt realize i needed that pt mate?.. lol |
| 16:39.05 | liran | greycat: nop, i havent |
| 16:39.17 | sciron | naddar> my 'opinion' is that i don't like scripted languages unless it's shell scripting. that's just me though, I'm sure many others like scripted languages |
| 16:39.32 | liran | dude that swirl has GOT to go |
| 16:39.32 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: are u using Xord or Xfree? |
| 16:39.36 | gniretar | Xorg* |
| 16:39.41 | usernameDeb02 | gniretar, did i allow mistaken impression i was repeating same ?'s over an over or ?? |
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| 16:39.48 | davrieb_ | naddar: maybe you should look at http://diveintopython.org/ |
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| 16:39.52 | sciron | naddar> even those you will find with 'foundations' to their opinions of languages, they will still just be 'opinions'. |
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| 16:39.58 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 16:40.00 | Danamania | greycat: was that the red tape penguin? |
| 16:40.04 | usernameDeb02 | whatever comes with default sarge net install ?.. xfree86 no? |
| 16:40.10 | naddar | yeah treu |
| 16:40.13 | greycat | Danamania: yes, called "captain blue eyes" |
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| 16:40.25 | narg | !xorg |
| 16:40.25 | badgers | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 16:40.26 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: you seemed to be asking questions regarding the same thing quickly cuz there were no answers. that, however is inconcuquencial now |
| 16:40.29 | davrieb_ | naddar: and toy a bit around with the python shell and see if you like |
| 16:40.30 | greycat | or possibly "captain blue eye" |
| 16:40.31 | narg | peer... what happened to dpkg? |
| 16:40.34 | sussudio | !info wget sarge |
| 16:40.51 | usernameDeb02 | gniretar, thanks.. not intentional.. just refining info is all guv |
| 16:41.00 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: what i need to know is if your config files are identical |
| 16:41.01 | badgers | wget: (retrieves files from the web), section web, is optional. Version: 1.9.1-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 416 kB, Installed size: 1460 kB |
| 16:41.02 | sciron | naddar> david__ is quite right, play with what you want to try out, that's the best way to figure out what suits you |
| 16:41.04 | naddar | ok i gone check it now |
| 16:41.10 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: and if the output of lspci si identical |
| 16:41.14 | naddar | thanks |
| 16:41.15 | tarzeau | !seen jm_ |
| 16:41.15 | badgers | jm_ <jm@febrile.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12d 2h 49m 45s ago, saying: 'l33tch: yes'. |
| 16:41.25 | naddar | if i have a program quistion i can return here? :) |
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| 16:41.30 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: could be same model but different chipset (minor revision that is) |
| 16:41.31 | narg | You have to totally remove all traces of unoffical Xorg before you upgrade to debian xorg, right? |
| 16:41.32 | usernameDeb02 | hmm.. hadnt checked that yet gniretar thanks.. |
| 16:41.35 | tarzeau | naddar: yas af caurse |
| 16:41.39 | naddar | lol |
| 16:41.40 | greycat | narg: probably. |
| 16:41.42 | naddar | thanks |
| 16:41.44 | naddar | cya all |
| 16:41.47 | usernameDeb02 | great start pt gniretar ;] |
| 16:41.58 | naddar | i will stay here online cool channel thanks for the help |
| 16:42.03 | narg | greycat: Nods, off to kill x then :) |
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| 16:42.31 | narg | Whats the x shutdown thing, '/init/kdm stop'? |
| 16:42.32 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: TY |
| 16:42.46 | greycat | narg: /etc/init.d |
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| 16:42.50 | queuetue | Hello. apt-get upgrade is telling me "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" ... how do I actually learn what the error is? |
| 16:42.50 | gniretar | narg: /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
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| 16:43.12 | narg | thanks |
| 16:43.29 | gniretar | queuetue: are you at a terminal window or a real VT? |
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| 16:43.42 | queuetue | gniretar, sshed in. |
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| 16:43.58 | gniretar | queuetue: what is your actual command? |
| 16:44.15 | tarzeau | i'm curious how many of you guys live in a city with more than 100'000 people (population) |
| 16:44.19 | queuetue | gniretar, "sudo apt-get upgrade" |
| 16:44.26 | greycat | !Polls |
| 16:44.27 | badgers | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 16:44.39 | queuetue | tarzeau, Not I - I *know* most of the people in my town. ;) |
| 16:44.40 | usernameDeb02 | k thanks again gniretar but lspci out is identical |
| 16:44.42 | gniretar | queuetue: do it as true root. ti shouldnt make a diff but it is good form |
| 16:45.01 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: OK, are your XFREE86 config files identical? |
| 16:45.19 | usernameDeb02 | gniretar, etc/X11 blah blah yes? |
| 16:45.27 | gniretar | usernameDeb02: yes |
| 16:45.32 | sussudio | !dict badger |
| 16:45.32 | KerPlunk | I want to rip a cd to mp3 |
| 16:45.36 | usernameDeb02 | gniretar, thanks |
| 16:45.37 | queuetue | gniretar, No difference - how do I get the actual error? |
| 16:45.38 | KerPlunk | What is a good program to do it with? |
| 16:45.56 | gniretar | kerplunk: kaudiocreator |
| 16:45.59 | greycat | KerPlunk: cdparanoia to make the .wav files, then /msg dpkg lame |
| 16:45.59 | Whisky_ | KerPlunk: KAudioCreator |
| 16:46.00 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: try jack |
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| 16:46.01 | sussudio | stupid unnecessary config file changes in blootbot |
| 16:46.04 | KerPlunk | Thanks tarzeau |
| 16:46.06 | KerPlunk | k* |
| 16:46.07 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 16:46.12 | gniretar | kerplunk: but you need lame to make then MP3 |
| 16:46.12 | KerPlunk | I don't want to load kde libs |
| 16:46.18 | KerPlunk | k, I have lame |
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| 16:46.38 | gniretar | kerplunk: sry, i am a KDE man, i dont know gnome programs |
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| 16:47.53 | r3m | Hi, debian got a handbook like freebsd? for the installation and configuration please |
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| 16:48.01 | sciron | www.debian.org |
| 16:48.08 | sciron | click on the docs button at the top |
| 16:48.11 | sciron | or on the left |
| 16:48.14 | r3m | thanks ! |
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| 16:48.19 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 16:48.30 | sussudio | !dict badger |
| 16:48.32 | badgers | Dictionary 'badger' (4 of 13): tasso ;; [bædʒər] broc ;; \Badg"er\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Badgered}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Badgering}.] [For sense 1, see 2d {Badger}; for 2, see 1st {Badger}.] 1. To tease or annoy, as a badger when baited; to worry or irritate persistently. [1913 Webster] 2. To beat down; to cheapen; to barter; to bargain. [1913 Webster] ;; ... |
| 16:48.53 | goccia | tasso ? |
| 16:48.56 | goccia | hihih |
| 16:48.58 | sussudio | !tasso |
| 16:49.02 | mls | oooo, IPA |
| 16:49.06 | sussudio | !tasso goccia |
| 16:49.17 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 16:49.23 | goccia | sussudio: some european wrote it :) |
| 16:49.28 | sussudio | goccia: tasso tasso tasso tasso fungo fungo |
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| 16:49.40 | HEE | ¶Ô×Ådebhelper˵µÀ:¡î HELLO ¡î |
| 16:49.46 | HEE | ¶Ô×Ådebhelper˵µÀ:¡î HI ¡î |
| 16:49.52 | sussudio | !kill HEE |
| 16:49.56 | goccia | sussudio: magic ones fungos ? |
| 16:50.00 | sussudio | nein |
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| 16:50.04 | sussudio | serpente! |
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| 16:50.35 | greycat | HEE: English. |
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| 16:51.01 | tarzeau | i'm not sure if i like these blatant movies |
| 16:51.03 | sussudio | http://www.liceoariosto.it/unpodiparco/sitiambienti/images/figura%2023.jpg < tasso. |
| 16:51.09 | HEE | ¶Ô×Ågreycat˵µÀ:¡î ÎÒ²»Á˽âÓ¢ÎÄ ¡î |
| 16:51.13 | HEE | ¶Ô×Ågreycat˵µÀ:¡î ¶Ô²»Æð ¡î |
| 16:51.23 | greycat | HEE: speak english here, or you will be silenced. |
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| 16:51.27 | gniretar | !dict pest |
| 16:51.30 | badgers | Dictionary 'pest' (5 of 8): [pɛst] Pest ;; pest ;; a persistently annoying person ;; pestilence, plague ;; pestilence, plague. |
| 16:51.43 | gniretar | haha |
| 16:51.46 | greycat | !chinese |
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| 16:51.47 | badgers | it has been said that chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/international/chinese/, or at Talk it in #Chinese, or http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/ |
| 16:52.00 | HEE | ¶Ô×Ågreycat˵µÀ:¡î ÎÒÏÂÁËÃ÷ÌìÀ´°¡ ¡î |
| 16:52.01 | sussudio | greycat: for some reason, someone (probably timriker) made all the config options in blootbot case sensitive and/or moves them to different config files. |
| 16:52.08 | space_cow_boy | what program should I use to view a file with a suffix = "dvi"? |
| 16:52.09 | goccia | sussudio: yeahhh that's a tasso/dpkg/badger |
| 16:52.23 | nkuttler | space_cow_boy: apt-cache search dvi, xdvi |
| 16:52.24 | HEE | ¶Ô×Ågreycat˵µÀ:¡î ÎÒÃ÷ÌìÕÒ¸ö·ÒëÓ¢ÎĵÄÍøÕ¾À´ºÍÄãÁÄÌì ¡î |
| 16:52.28 | greycat | space_cow_boy: for starters, use file(1) |
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| 16:52.48 | tarzeau | nkuttler: how're you? |
| 16:52.49 | space_cow_boy | it is produced by latex that is what file says |
| 16:52.57 | nkuttler | tarzeau: hungry and tired |
| 16:53.05 | tarzeau | space_cow_boy: perfectly normal |
| 16:53.39 | usernameDeb02 | hmmm gniretar they are NOT identical.. no clue wtf 1 install w same choices recorded diff conf file??? |
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| 16:53.47 | usernameDeb02 | gniretar, did i mention 'hhmmmmm' yet? |
| 16:53.50 | usernameDeb02 | gniretar, ;] |
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| 16:54.21 | LU_Na | hola |
| 16:54.23 | usernameDeb02 | gniretar, may i just copy one working file to nonworkg lappy safely please? |
| 16:54.39 | LU_Na | alguien habla español |
| 16:54.46 | greycat | !es |
| 16:54.47 | badgers | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:57.10 | narg | Hrm, can someone paste a deb mirror? Im getting 404s with mirrors.kernel.org |
| 16:57.16 | goccia | where's ravenbird ? |
| 16:57.20 | usernameDeb02 | anyone please.. any known dire warnings if i have 2 identical laptops |
| 16:57.22 | tarzeau | narg: try an official one |
| 16:57.27 | tarzeau | narg: telnet linuks.mine.nu for the one i use |
| 16:57.32 | usernameDeb02 | of just copyhing over working xfree86 4 conf file |
| 16:57.32 | chrysopa | how to make an user without password? |
| 16:57.36 | goccia | i mean : badgers ravenbird ... |
| 16:57.38 | greycat | @where are you |
| 16:57.38 | ravenbird | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 16:57.40 | usernameDeb02 | from one with drivers/resolution i prefer.. |
| 16:57.42 | sktrdie | ok all, I'm a total noob with Debian.... now I dunno why but my current version of GNOME is very unstable and full of bugs, I would like to go back to the stable version, do you guys have any idea on how to re-install GNOME on Debian? |
| 16:57.42 | usernameDeb02 | to laptop with wrong configs/resolutions please? |
| 16:57.42 | Lee__ | usernameDeb02: no, you should be fine. |
| 16:57.43 | tarzeau | chrysopa: create it, then edit /etc/shadow |
| 16:57.47 | goose | hello@all, i have problem with my radeon 7000 gfx adapter. i try to run a tv and a tft at once, but it wont work. the tv picture is all messed up. do i need speicial divers for such fancy things or where should i start to get this done? |
| 16:57.57 | usernameDeb02 | Lee__, thanks guv.. muchly ;] |
| 16:57.59 | tarzeau | chrysopa: but really you don't want to do that. or why would you? |
| 16:58.06 | narg | tarzeau: err... telnet can be used as a repository source? |
| 16:58.09 | Lee__ | usernameDeb02: if they are truly identical, you can even use tar or rsync to get an OS on the second one. |
| 16:58.11 | abrotman | goose: might get more help out of #ati |
| 16:58.17 | chrysopa | tarzeau, and delete the password field? |
| 16:58.18 | Lee__ | or bootcd |
| 16:58.19 | tarzeau | narg: i have setup a sources.list telnet server |
| 16:58.25 | goose | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:58.26 | narg | ah, I see. |
| 16:58.34 | abrotman | sktrdie: which version of debian? |
| 16:58.37 | tarzeau | chrysopa: exactly |
| 16:58.46 | narg | Thanks :) |
| 16:58.53 | chrysopa | tarzeau, yes, is a leptop for common use. |
| 16:58.55 | chrysopa | thanks |
| 16:58.56 | usernameDeb02 | Lee__, whoa.. new learnings on sarge!! woohoo.. ;];].. any quickie help for sarge newb on howto please? |
| 16:58.57 | sktrdie | abrotman: sarge |
| 16:58.58 | chrysopa | I try it |
| 16:59.06 | tarzeau | chrysopa: and it's never on the internet? |
| 16:59.14 | abrotman | sktrdie: the version of gnome in sarge hasn't changed since release ... what version of debian are you running |
| 16:59.20 | tarzeau | chrysopa: and doesn't run any network services? |
| 16:59.58 | astronut | i can't get my card to see my wireless network... it's an atheros based, got it working ok in OS, but can't attach to network..it worked fine in a hotel, but having issues with my home network |
| 17:00.04 | usernameDeb02 | still scratch'n me head on why these identical laptops ended up with slightly diff display configs?.. TTMYWTS.. hmmmm.. |
| 17:00.15 | Lee__ | usernameDeb02: quickie? no sorry. What are you looking to accomplish? |
| 17:00.18 | sktrdie | abrotman: I dunno what happened, but I needed to try out an unstable app that was in apt-get, so in my source.list I've added "unstable"... next thing I now I have GNOME 2.10 instead of my old 2.8 |
| 17:00.27 | row | hehe I know this was a stupid mistake to make after maxing a already large mistake but when restoring a patition with gpart I did not know that I had to make sure it did not remove current partitions anyway it removed a partition at the start of the disk I have tried to replicate the partitions detials in gpart it I have the size I kow it started at 32kB and where the next partition is ofcourse so what would be the best way to rest |
| 17:00.27 | row | ore this partition? thanks. |
| 17:00.38 | usernameDeb02 | Lee__, now worries and nm chum.. thanks thanks 4 pointer ;] |
| 17:00.41 | abrotman | sktrdie: now you're running unstable .. either you will have to upgrade all the way to unstable .. or reinstall and go back to sarge |
| 17:01.01 | Lee__ | row: try using punctuation, it makes it much easier to understand you. |
| 17:01.06 | sktrdie | abrotman: but only GNOME is unstable, and I've gone back to "stable" in my source.list |
| 17:01.10 | row | sorry |
| 17:01.15 | goccia | row: are you talking about a primary partition ? yes ? savee the f* mbr :) |
| 17:01.17 | sktrdie | abrotman: I think I just need to reinstall GNOME |
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| 17:01.25 | row | I was typing under lot of lag .:/ |
| 17:01.37 | Lee__ | sktrdie: IIRC you have to reinstall. once you go to unstable, you can't go back. |
| 17:01.48 | goose | abrotman: they seem to be dead at the channel, any other idea |
| 17:01.52 | abrotman | sktrdie: you can try to purge all traces of gnome .. but i doubt it would work |
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| 17:02.04 | abrotman | goose: nope .. they are sleepy .. wait a bit .. |
| 17:02.07 | row | goccia I thought I had saved it, but I can't find it now I ran find over the whole hdd. |
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| 17:02.10 | sktrdie | abrotman: so what should I do? |
| 17:02.40 | sktrdie | but I mean only GNOME has gone unstable |
| 17:02.44 | row | yes it is a primary parition, sorry. |
| 17:02.48 | sktrdie | I guess |
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| 17:02.55 | goose | abrotman: somone dit answer.. |
| 17:02.55 | abrotman | sktrdie: then begin removing those packages .. and guessing is a bad thing |
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| 17:03.07 | TLS | hi you all.... |
| 17:03.16 | sktrdie | abrotman: what is the good thing to do, to go back to stable |
| 17:03.26 | TLS | who knows a good tool to keep track of changes you make to your config files... ? |
| 17:03.27 | abrotman | sktrdie: i told you ... |
| 17:03.32 | abrotman | TLS: cvs .. |
| 17:03.33 | narg | Is there some meta-package that will get rid of unoffical Xorg for me, or do I have to hunt it all down. |
| 17:03.37 | TLS | svn I know... |
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| 17:03.49 | abrotman | TLS: fam? |
| 17:03.52 | abrotman | !tell tls about fam |
| 17:03.57 | sktrdie | abrotman: well I tried apt-get remove gnome :D |
| 17:04.05 | abrotman | sktrdie: that's a metapackage .. that won't work |
| 17:04.10 | TLS | fam... hmm.. I'll chaeck that out |
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| 17:04.22 | sktrdie | abrotman: and whats the GNOME package |
| 17:04.30 | abrotman | sktrdie: it's a metapackage |
| 17:04.37 | goccia | row: your partition table was in there i don't' think you'll get it back doing a find : gpart does the recover of lost partitions |
| 17:04.40 | abrotman | sktrdie: you'd have to remove all the libraries |
| 17:05.13 | kadigibox | Are there any maped GPS programs? |
| 17:05.14 | Lee__ | fam is lame. It makes it hard to eject my USB music player. |
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| 17:05.18 | row | goccia: I can't get back any of the data at all on the partition? |
| 17:05.18 | sktrdie | abrotman: isnt there a way to reinstall? isntead of deleting |
| 17:05.33 | TLS | svn is to bing of a drag.. and it's mainly smapp config files so keeping diffs or a complete copy of the config is not a problem... |
| 17:05.40 | Lee__ | sktrdie: yeah, insert the installation CD and reformat your disk. |
| 17:05.46 | r3m | apt-get install x-window-system-core to install X? |
| 17:05.51 | sktrdie | lol |
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| 17:06.00 | Lee__ | sktrdie: I'm serious. |
| 17:06.02 | abrotman | sktrdie: no .. i tihnk i've been pretty clear |
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| 17:06.26 | Lee__ | !tell r3m about install x |
| 17:06.28 | tosh | how do you make vi follow tabs when you paste? |
| 17:06.37 | abrotman | TLS: see what badgers told you about fam |
| 17:06.38 | sktrdie | abrotman: but how do I find out all the packages |
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| 17:06.46 | goccia | row: well prymary partition maybe yes but i think extended will be hard : you can get back a primary partition by trial and error if you remember the size : you should have savede the first 512=mbr |
| 17:07.04 | abrotman | sktrdie: there is no easy way .. try removing libgtk,libpango |
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| 17:07.24 | abrotman | !tell sktrdie about remove gnome |
| 17:07.32 | row | goccia, its the primary only, I have every thing else back. |
| 17:07.35 | abrotman | sktrdie: but that only kills gnome .. not gtk |
| 17:08.05 | sktrdie | abrotman: it's wierd cuz if I do apt-get install gnome I get this wierd message |
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| 17:08.11 | goccia | row: mount them read only when you check it : you can do a trial and error |
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| 17:08.38 | sktrdie | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 17:08.39 | sktrdie | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 17:08.55 | sktrdie | even when I try purging the packages |
| 17:08.56 | usernameDeb02 | i suck!! at nano editor.. ;[ |
| 17:08.58 | yuggly | any ideas on why my wireless card stops showing up? |
| 17:09.12 | usernameDeb02 | anyone tell me how to copy all text in open file in nano please? |
| 17:09.26 | Danamania | is it possible to mark a package "never to be installed" so that even if other packages depend on it, attempting to install those will not work either? |
| 17:09.26 | row | goccia:I do not understand, you I can't restore what was the first primary partition on the hdd, how can I mount it if I can't even see a partition :/ |
| 17:09.28 | sktrdie | copy & paste? |
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| 17:09.39 | DoppelGanger | usernameDeb02: RTFM |
| 17:09.40 | Danamania | (I'm only asking out of curiosity) |
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| 17:10.26 | usernameDeb02 | ty DoppelGanger lol |
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| 17:10.37 | DoppelGanger | your welcome |
| 17:10.38 | row | DoppelGanger, if you put the package on hold it should do it no? |
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| 17:10.43 | row | er |
| 17:10.44 | row | ffs |
| 17:10.55 | abrotman | sktrdie: are you root ? |
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| 17:11.05 | sktrdie | abrotman: yes |
| 17:11.12 | row | meant to say Danamania |
| 17:11.16 | Farhan | ok. i hav an issue, my bios are stupid. and won'tboot from the debian cd.... i downloaded a .img file, did the whole wrote it to disk.i'm sitting here at the boot prompt and wanting to install from the cd. help? |
| 17:11.19 | abrotman | sktrdie: are you really sure ? |
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| 17:11.33 | abrotman | Farhan: did you try `linux26` ? |
| 17:11.35 | sktrdie | abrotman: yes |
| 17:11.36 | mastertet | Where are the bibtex bst files in debian? I made a document with the plain bibliography style and bibtex complain that plain.bst is missing... |
| 17:11.36 | elmagozizou | Ho do i configure my DHCP? debian doenst did it it self when I install... |
| 17:11.36 | goccia | row: you can repartition your disk if you remebere even vaguely the size using any gnu tools : you just write in the first 512 bytes but you must mount it read only otherwise you'll lost your data |
| 17:11.37 | abrotman | Farhan: does the CD boot ? |
| 17:11.41 | abrotman | sktrdie: you have a stale lock file |
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| 17:11.51 | sktrdie | o shit |
| 17:12.00 | sktrdie | opps really wierd |
| 17:12.09 | Farhan | the cd can boot |
| 17:12.10 | Farhan | but |
| 17:12.13 | row | goccia, I have the exact sectors :) |
| 17:12.14 | yuggly | elmagozizou : dhclient worked for me |
| 17:12.16 | Farhan | myu bios on this other pc are crappy |
| 17:12.18 | Farhan | but |
| 17:12.22 | goccia | row: so what's the problem ? |
| 17:12.39 | row | goccia, apart from where it the first partittion starts |
| 17:12.51 | mls | elmagozizou: interfaces(5) |
| 17:13.00 | Farhan | i've install debian like 10 times before with the boot from cd |
| 17:13.00 | row | goccia, I tried entering the info into gpart and its not working |
| 17:13.06 | Farhan | i just dn't no. with the boot floppy |
| 17:13.15 | Farhan | i have the root floppy but i wana install from the cd |
| 17:13.16 | goccia | row: leave gpart : use something else |
| 17:13.18 | row | goccia, showing up as unkown format or something |
| 17:13.25 | row | goccia, what shall I use? |
| 17:13.41 | goccia | any gnu tools |
| 17:13.47 | usernameDeb02 | well who'd a guessed that?.. man nano is clear as mud as all damned man pages are to non geeks.. arg |
| 17:13.52 | mls | Farhan: begin install with floppy, point apt to cd during install |
| 17:14.01 | Farhan | your not understanding me |
| 17:14.05 | Farhan | i booted with a floppy |
| 17:14.14 | elmagozizou | mls, ok..Im in there..but all is fine... |
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| 17:14.21 | usernameDeb02 | rtf nano m and still no clue howto copy entire text of file for paste to other file? |
| 17:14.23 | Farhan | i'm sittign here at a prompt that says if i have the root disk press enter. |
| 17:14.35 | elmagozizou | the problem is with other computer obiusly that doenst get the internet |
| 17:14.43 | row | goccia, I don't know of any to do the job... |
| 17:14.44 | Farhan | uh? |
| 17:14.46 | Farhan | no |
| 17:14.49 | goccia | row: cfdisk crappy fdisk parted : you just write the numbers in it |
| 17:15.09 | row | I did |
| 17:15.11 | row | hmm |
| 17:15.11 | goccia | then you mount read only and eyeball till you are satisfied |
| 17:15.11 | mls | elmagozizou: then you asked the wrong question. |
| 17:15.12 | row | infact |
| 17:15.13 | Tenkawa | usernameDeb02: well I can tell you a not as simple way to do it |
| 17:15.14 | row | not parted |
| 17:15.21 | row | will try parted |
| 17:15.25 | Farhan | i personally like fdisk |
| 17:15.28 | mls | Farhan: what happens when you follow directions? |
| 17:15.29 | yuggly | elmagozizou: try typing dhclient in terminal |
| 17:15.29 | Farhan | but what ever. |
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| 17:15.45 | Farhan | i tryed the media_install_dev=/dev/hdc. nothing |
| 17:15.49 | Farhan | it don't work |
| 17:16.09 | elmagozizou | mls, I install the first debian cd in that machine and it doenst configure DHCP...so i did it manualy but doesnt work..What can i do? |
| 17:16.14 | yuggly | why does my wireless card keep disappearing??? |
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| 17:16.28 | row | goccia, if I use parted do I usemkpartfs or mkpart? |
| 17:16.34 | abrotman | yuggly: no leash |
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| 17:16.47 | sktrdie | help guys :( |
| 17:16.49 | TLS | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.51 | yuggly | thanks abrotman |
| 17:16.54 | sktrdie | I cant install anything |
| 17:16.59 | abrotman | and why not ? |
| 17:17.05 | abrotman | yuggly: if you ifconfig -a .. is it there? |
| 17:17.16 | elmagozizou | yuggly, I dont have that jet..I just install the first debian cd... |
| 17:17.16 | mls | elmagozizou: /var/log/daemon* probably has an error message for you |
| 17:17.17 | usernameDeb02 | Tenkawa, im all ears for anyone generous enough to take the time mate ;] |
| 17:17.19 | Tenkawa | sktrdie: got to tell us whats wrong first (unless I missed it) |
| 17:17.26 | goccia | row: it's all the same : all those tools wrtie in the first 512 bytes : in your case doesn't matter what : your data are safe |
| 17:17.27 | Tenkawa | usernameDeb02: can I msg you? |
| 17:17.35 | TGM | mirrors.kernel.org seems to be missing most x packages of version 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 despite having them in the Packages file. whats up? |
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| 17:17.47 | Tenkawa | TGM: yeah I noticed that too |
| 17:17.53 | goccia | row: they are still there |
| 17:17.55 | usernameDeb02 | ohyea Tenkawa ;] |
| 17:17.57 | Tenkawa | at least 2 days ago |
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| 17:17.57 | mls | TGM: /topic |
| 17:18.13 | elmagozizou | mls, noup |
| 17:18.24 | yuggly | abrotman: yes it does |
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| 17:18.27 | row | goccia, but parted has two commands mkpart and mkpartfs,will the fs option remove data or is that or do I need th fs option? |
| 17:18.49 | abrotman | yuggly: so it's nto disappearing ? |
| 17:18.54 | yuggly | abrotman: but it fails to connect to an access point or pull ip address |
| 17:19.05 | narg | !reinstall |
| 17:19.05 | badgers | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 17:19.27 | mls | elmagozizou: then run tcpdump on both machines; look for dhcp requests and answers |
| 17:19.29 | yuggly | abrotman: dhclient responds not hardware found |
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| 17:19.39 | abrotman | yuggly: /etc/init.d/networking restart .. does what ? |
| 17:19.43 | TGM_ | damn router. |
| 17:19.46 | goccia | row: do not format anything : just give the dimensions |
| 17:19.51 | TGM_ | is it currenly updating? |
| 17:20.02 | yuggly | abrotman: will try and see |
| 17:20.40 | elmagozizou | mls, this machine is running ubuntu..and its fine...son I conect this cable to the debian machine and manualy pu the ips...that fine right? the same ipas... |
| 17:21.02 | row | goccia, what sector would the first partition start from, if I remeber rightly it was like 32kB into the disk but does that matter? |
| 17:21.03 | TGM_ | what is the x.org breakage anyway? does it affect clients, I use an external x server? |
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| 17:21.21 | elmagozizou | mls, I dont have tcpdump in the debian machine..I just install the firt cd... |
| 17:21.24 | yuggly | abrotman: will have to wait till I get home to test, no wireless herre, tnx |
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| 17:21.39 | drac | TGM_: I think it was or is problem with package dependencies, like with Gnome or KDE. |
| 17:22.03 | goccia | row: paryted say 0.031 |
| 17:22.08 | TGM_ | i have no desktop system installed fortunately. |
| 17:22.33 | row | goccia, how would I convert that to sectors? |
| 17:22.54 | r3m | what the goal of /etc/modutils directory |
| 17:22.56 | goccia | row: 32 is next to 31 :) |
| 17:23.05 | row | ah k got ya |
| 17:23.06 | TGM_ | Was X.org 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 pulled? |
| 17:23.06 | row | :) |
| 17:23.25 | r3m | what the goal of /etc/modutils directory please |
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| 17:23.59 | greycat | TGM_: what does the BTS say? |
| 17:24.08 | row | goccia, I just did it and the system col does not list a fs type ie ext2 or ext3, this is the problem I got with gpart too. any ideas? |
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| 17:24.09 | goccia | row: try fdisk as well |
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| 17:24.21 | row | k |
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| 17:24.40 | TGM_ | i dunno... i have not checked... all i know is that mirrors.kernel.org has a packages file that includes them, but not the packages themselves |
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| 17:24.51 | blastmanu | hi |
| 17:24.59 | greycat | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 17:25.13 | badgers | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 5511 kB, Installed size: 15544 kB |
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| 17:25.50 | Tenkawa | TGM: no problem |
| 17:25.50 | blastmanu | I am french |
| 17:25.53 | Tenkawa | oops |
| 17:26.02 | tarvok | Why exactly is this thing auto-joining me in a channel called "Romeo?" |
| 17:26.02 | TGM_ | hmm... then why is kernel.org missing them |
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| 17:26.19 | blastmanu | sorry for my english but i am problem of sound |
| 17:26.24 | Tenkawa | TGM: sounds like mirrors.kernel.org is out of sync |
| 17:26.48 | goccia | row: i suggest you save the mbr now : dd if=/dev..... of=mbr bs=512 count=1 |
| 17:26.48 | TGM_ | damn it... I really don't want to add a second set of servers to my apt config. |
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| 17:26.53 | Tenkawa | because I definitely had the same issue |
| 17:27.03 | Tenkawa | moved to different server and picked them right up I believe |
| 17:27.11 | blastmanu | I am not sound, my controler of volume stay a zero |
| 17:27.17 | Tenkawa | now I'm using the ppc branch so take that into account |
| 17:27.22 | tarvok | Can someone help me get my sound started again? Someone told me to run some file "sb" last time, but I forgot where it is, or how to run it. |
| 17:27.31 | Tenkawa | I'm not running x86 architecture |
| 17:27.34 | TGM_ | Tenkawa: i686 here. |
| 17:27.48 | Tenkawa | at least not on my debian box |
| 17:28.08 | blastmanu | can you help me please ? |
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| 17:28.21 | TGM_ | ok... to be honest i've never used a non x86 boxxen except via ssh |
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| 17:28.26 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 17:28.33 | Tenkawa | I'm primarily ppc |
| 17:28.43 | Tenkawa | with a few x86 boxes for gaming |
| 17:28.54 | tarvok | blasmanu: I wish I could. I'm having sound trouble, as well. |
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| 17:28.56 | TGM_ | ppc from mac? or from other vendors? |
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| 17:29.08 | Tenkawa | ya |
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| 17:29.39 | tarvok | Man, I wish I wrote that command down. I'll do it this time. I promise. |
| 17:30.07 | ambroseL | !ops, Romeo is spamming on join |
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| 17:30.25 | useruser | where does greasemonkey store its scripts? |
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| 17:30.48 | TGM_ | k. I've never used mac. Back before OS X there would have been no point. an underpowered system with no killer apps. Now at least it is a genetic UNIX. (despite the funny nextstep stuff). |
| 17:31.03 | stew | useruser: dpkg -L pkgname ; /usr/share/doc/pkgname* |
| 17:31.10 | abrotman | !tell BlindGlobe about away |
| 17:31.17 | useruser | stew: ooh, is greasemonkey packaged? |
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| 17:31.25 | goccia | TGM_: genetic ? kinda OGM ? :) |
| 17:31.27 | stew | useruser: oh i dunno, i assumed it was since you asked here |
| 17:31.49 | useruser | stew: you assumed wrongly, it seems |
| 17:31.54 | Yevgeniy | I'm trying to register a printer, why can't I use "lpadmin" command ? |
| 17:32.01 | Tenkawa | TGM_: yeah prior to os x I wouldnt have touched one |
| 17:32.05 | stew | useruser: you asked wrongly, it seems |
| 17:32.05 | row | did it! |
| 17:32.20 | goccia | row: hahahah :===)) |
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| 17:32.46 | tarvok | I'm trying to get an old ISA Soundblaster 64 working under Sarge, kernel version 2.4. I know I need to run some module called "sb," but I forgot how. Can someone help me? |
| 17:32.50 | row | cheers for that mate |
| 17:32.52 | curado | Hello every body |
| 17:32.58 | Tenkawa | sb64.. ouchie |
| 17:33.09 | mfonda | I am having trouble getting kde/x to start. Fresh install, just did apt-get install kde, but I cannot seem to get kde to start. kdm does nothing, and startx produces error "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory". Any ideas on how I can get kde up and running? |
| 17:33.15 | TGM_ | genetic Unixes are those based at least in part on actual UNIX code, susch as bsd. Trademark UNIX is OS that have been Certified Posix-compatible. Then you have posix-complient OS's like Gnu/linux that are not actuall UNIX. |
| 17:33.27 | curado | I need a console command which gives me my inet assigned ip... Does anyone knows ????? |
| 17:33.32 | mls | tarvok: man -k modules |
| 17:33.47 | Tenkawa | TGM_: at least they arent MS Win-Stuff |
| 17:33.58 | abrotman | curado: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 17:33.59 | greycat | curado: curl http://wooledge.org/myip.cgi |
| 17:34.06 | TGM_ | Well OS X defaults to IE. |
| 17:34.13 | abrotman | mfonda: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 17:34.17 | Tenkawa | no.. Safari |
| 17:34.19 | abrotman | mfonda: apt-get install x-window-system kdm |
| 17:34.35 | TGM_ | Tenkawa: Only on the more recent ones. |
| 17:34.39 | Tenkawa | true |
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| 17:34.43 | TGM_ | the older ones defaulted to IE |
| 17:34.49 | TGM_ | i remeber that. |
| 17:35.02 | TGM_ | i suck at spelling. |
| 17:35.05 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
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| 17:35.21 | greycat | and yes, myip.cgi is a 4-line shell script. |
| 17:36.10 | curado | greycat, PERFECT!!! |
| 17:36.14 | curado | greycat, Thanks a lot man! |
| 17:36.22 | tarzeau | greycat: mind putting a ln -s myip.cgi myip.txt ? although it's probably just an echo $REMOTE_ADDR (or _HOST) |
| 17:36.25 | Tenkawa | hey greycat you ever messed with umsdos filesystems? |
| 17:36.36 | greycat | tarzeau: oh, you want to see it? |
| 17:36.43 | tarzeau | greycat: actually i've got my own ;) |
| 17:37.03 | greycat | tarzeau: done. http://wooledge.org/myip.txt |
| 17:37.07 | tarzeau | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/you.cgi |
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| 17:37.36 | greycat | tarzeau: heh, that's a bit less useful for scripts ;) |
| 17:37.44 | greycat | HTML that has to be parsed.... *shudder* |
| 17:37.48 | Tenkawa | heheheheheh |
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| 17:38.36 | _sadrack_ | someone could help with a compaq nx6125 on debian? |
| 17:38.44 | tarzeau | _sadrack_: what's the problem? |
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| 17:38.51 | goccia | mfonda: you need psmouse in /etc/modules maybe |
| 17:38.53 | sussudio | compaqqq |
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| 17:39.12 | Tenkawa | *shudders* |
| 17:39.40 | _sadrack_ | apic error in cpu0 |
| 17:39.48 | abrotman | _sadrack_: help how |
| 17:39.51 | resiak | !noapic |
| 17:39.53 | abrotman | noapic |
| 17:40.03 | resiak | dpkg: where are you??? |
| 17:40.17 | abrotman | badgers: where is dpkg |
| 17:40.18 | badgers | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
| 17:40.22 | _sadrack_ | I think is something related with kernel |
| 17:40.23 | resiak | badgers: apic |
| 17:40.24 | badgers | it has been said that apic is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... |
| 17:40.26 | greycat | abrotman: "where's" because of the "is" |
| 17:40.29 | resiak | badgers: noapic |
| 17:40.29 | badgers | resiak: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 17:40.39 | resiak | :( |
| 17:41.24 | _sadrack_ | the error is kernel: apci kernel on cpu0: 40 (40) |
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| 17:41.42 | _sadrack_ | i'm trying to install debian sarge |
| 17:41.53 | tarzeau | _sadrack_: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 17:41.58 | _sadrack_ | 2.6 |
| 17:42.06 | tarzeau | _sadrack_: and when you try 2.4? |
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| 17:42.18 | _sadrack_ | tarzeau, not yet .... |
| 17:42.46 | _sadrack_ | tarzeau: let me try ... thank you. |
| 17:42.56 | abrotman | greycat: oh yeah |
| 17:43.01 | alvanson | is there an apt repository for enlightenment dr17? (checked google and asked the bots to no avail) |
| 17:43.05 | _sadrack_ | tarzeau, could I call you later? |
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| 17:43.22 | curado | bye everyone |
| 17:43.25 | takatumi | _sadrack_: try appending acpi=force in your bootloader |
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| 17:43.50 | curado | tnks again greycat |
| 17:43.53 | _sadrack_ | takatumi, ok... |
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| 17:44.21 | tarzeau | _sadrack_: sure, but i'll be asleep after 4 or 5 hours |
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| 17:44.35 | tarzeau | _sadrack_: or do you mean by phone? |
| 17:44.39 | tarzeau | takatumi: :) |
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| 17:44.55 | sktrdie | !tell about remove gnome |
| 17:45.04 | abrotman | !tell sktrdie about remove gnome |
| 17:45.11 | _sadrack_ | tarzeau, I'm from brazil .... but I thank you so much |
| 17:45.14 | abrotman | sktrdie: /msg badgers remove gnome |
| 17:45.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: i think _sadrack_ wants a date |
| 17:45.39 | sktrdie | hey abrotman: ok right nowim in fluxbox because I am not able to install GNOME back |
| 17:45.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't want any dates. at least not with men |
| 17:45.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: and not with women for a while |
| 17:45.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: sure it's a guy ? |
| 17:45.54 | takatumi | tarzeau: that actually works in some cases. :) |
| 17:45.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: dogs ? .. cats ? |
| 17:45.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: pretty much, yes |
| 17:46.05 | tarvok | mls: Okay, I've looked over the manpage you specified, as well as the manpages of the commands listed. I'm still not sure where to begin. sb is in my modules file, and it is listed when I run lsmod, and it has worked before, it just isn't working any more. |
| 17:46.09 | SimonRaven | horses? bunnies? |
| 17:46.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you say cats and dogs, this joke comes to mind: |
| 17:46.34 | abrotman | SimonRaven: horses? .. that's just sick |
| 17:46.38 | mls | tarvok: good. what does dmesg say? |
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| 17:46.45 | mfonda | ok, x and kde up and running, but the max resolution is 800x600, how can increase this? |
| 17:46.47 | tarzeau | Dog thinks, "He feeds me, he gives me shelter, he must be a god." Cat thinks, "He feeds me, he gives me shelter, I must be a god." |
| 17:46.52 | abrotman | !drxx mfonda |
| 17:46.52 | badgers | mfonda: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:46.54 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: maybe dolphins |
| 17:47.02 | SimonRaven | heheh, reminds me of that joke gwb's wife told about him |
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| 17:47.25 | SimonRaven | with the horses in the barn, plus the daily show spin on the joke. that was fuckinh hilarious |
| 17:47.38 | SimonRaven | fucking* |
| 17:47.52 | abrotman | sktrdie: don't do that! |
| 17:48.04 | abrotman | sktrdie: talk in here ... |
| 17:48.08 | abrotman | sktrdie: apt-get -f install |
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| 17:48.14 | sktrdie | sorry it was just a big message |
| 17:48.20 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:48.21 | badgers | well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. |
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| 17:49.01 | sktrdie | abrotman: still wont work |
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| 17:49.14 | abrotman | sktrdie: dpkg --forget-old-unavail |
| 17:49.30 | abrotman | hrm .. i think this is why we said reinstalling was easier |
| 17:49.32 | tarvok | mls: do you want me to past the entire thing over at pastebin.com, or just the section that talks about isapnp, sb, and SB16 over at #flood? |
| 17:49.55 | mls | !paste |
| 17:49.56 | badgers | rumour has it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. |
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| 17:50.07 | mls | whole thing, please |
| 17:50.10 | usernameDeb02 | so |
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| 17:50.56 | usernameDeb02 | scp 'ing over copy of x configs Tenkawa .. worked!! ;];].. thanks thanks muchly chum ;] |
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| 17:51.20 | grigora | is there any reason why the minimal installation CD (Sarge) wouldn't be able to create a root partition on an RAID1 device? |
| 17:51.22 | takatumi | tarzeau: http://moon.google.com/ (zoom in max) |
| 17:51.30 | tarzeau | takatumi: i've seen that already. |
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| 17:52.00 | takatumi | tarzeau: :( |
| 17:52.03 | tarzeau | takatumi: where do you live currently? |
| 17:52.12 | _sadrack_ | tarzeau: I really need help... and I'm not a guy |
| 17:52.13 | ricky_clarkson | If something's always cack, is it a cacophany? |
| 17:52.28 | takatumi | tarzeau: Kuwait, your ip.cgi identified wrongly btw. |
| 17:52.33 | tarzeau | i can't stand lies |
| 17:52.37 | sktrdie | pls abrotman: I cant isntall gnome :( |
| 17:53.01 | tarzeau | sktrdie: stable? |
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| 17:53.20 | tarzeau | takatumi: check the ip.txt to contact the right person with the wrong data |
| 17:53.28 | sktrdie | yea |
| 17:53.38 | abrotman | sktrdie: did you do the dpkg --blahblahblah thing i just said ? |
| 17:53.39 | tarzeau | sktrdie: checkd bugs.debian.org yet? |
| 17:53.48 | takatumi | tarzeau: yeah right. |
| 17:53.50 | usernameDeb02 | whoa.. 2 cool 4 school on moon.google blah.. |
| 17:53.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. he put unstable in stable |
| 17:53.59 | tarzeau | takatumi: kuwait. i don't wanna go there |
| 17:54.04 | abrotman | usernameDeb02: can you not talk like a loser? |
| 17:54.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: ouf. why does he do so? |
| 17:54.19 | sktrdie | abrotman: dpkg --forget-old-unavail? yea |
| 17:54.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha someone should /topicbadger sktrdie |
| 17:54.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: right .. like i know |
| 17:54.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: and he wonders why he can't install gnome. LOL cracks me up. it's weekend |
| 17:54.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: !topicfsck |
| 17:54.51 | abrotman | sktrdie: and what happens now ? |
| 17:54.53 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 17:54.53 | badgers | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 17:55.00 | tarzeau | sktrdie: go ahead, read that |
| 17:55.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: he mixed sources |
| 17:56.44 | phreak | Whats the best way of haveing a temporary route? For programs which doesn't support to change what source-interface/address to use, I'd like to add a route that does that instead. (Like the -I flag to ping, but for other programs) |
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| 17:57.07 | phreak | The coolest thing would be if you could have different routes depending on what pid is used :) |
| 17:57.21 | greycat | phreak: lartc.org |
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| 17:57.33 | sktrdie | I've read that |
| 17:57.33 | greycat | you can (in theory?) route packets by UID, etc. |
| 17:57.41 | sktrdie | :( im stuck with fluxbox |
| 17:57.44 | Yevgeniy | I'm lost. what package contains glib ? |
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| 17:57.51 | abrotman | Yevgeniy: libc6 ? |
| 17:57.55 | tarzeau | sktrdie: be proud! infidel |
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| 17:58.01 | takatumi | grep -L '<UL>' blah, what's the <UL> for? |
| 17:58.04 | phreak | greycat: Ok, but no easy hack with a "default" setup then? |
| 17:58.07 | greycat | Yevgeniy: libglib1.2-dev |
| 17:58.09 | abrotman | sktrdie: if you type `apt-get install gnome` .. what happens .. and please paste it somewhere |
| 17:58.09 | sktrdie | ok im never changin stable to unstable again |
| 17:58.17 | Yevgeniy | doh |
| 17:58.20 | greycat | phreak: no. |
| 17:58.32 | phreak | greycat: Mkay. |
| 17:58.40 | tarzeau | sktrdie: you know, there's no "undo" button |
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| 17:58.48 | greycat | in vi, there is. |
| 17:58.57 | tarvok | mls: I pasted the limited section at #flood... |
| 17:59.04 | Yevgeniy | greycat : I have it installed but there's an error " you need glib", while trying to compile a driver |
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| 17:59.07 | greycat | except you can't undo a Ctrl-U that just erased a whole paragraph, which sucks. |
| 17:59.17 | kevinv | Having trouble with flash, it seems to work fine on my other Debian Sarge partition. |
| 17:59.25 | paster | "sktrdie" at 81.208.83.231 pasted "unstable packages" (16 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/427 |
| 17:59.27 | FieldySnuts | ask macromedia |
| 17:59.39 | kevinv | The Mozilla plugin finder in firefox seems to be failing at installing flash now. |
| 17:59.40 | sktrdie | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 17:59.52 | greycat | kevinv: I wouldn't expect it to work in the first place. |
| 18:00.14 | sktrdie | oops |
| 18:00.27 | sktrdie | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/427 |
| 18:00.33 | deadcat | rbash is useless. |
| 18:00.44 | kevinv | greycat: It works perfectly on my other partition, it used to work in this one too, but now it doesn't. |
| 18:01.06 | kevinv | I can show you a screenshot of my other partition running flash flawlessly |
| 18:01.27 | kevinv | It's Macromedia's version |
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| 18:01.43 | kevinv | My friends even played those flash games with it too. |
| 18:01.50 | sadfgg | How can I check my maximum bandwidth speed? |
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| 18:02.05 | goccia | kevinv: why just don't you copy it up ? |
| 18:02.09 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 2004-09-06 22:14 /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so -> /usr/local/lib/flash/libflashplayer.so* |
| 18:02.18 | greycat | There. That's how you install Flash. |
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| 18:02.44 | takatumi | kevinv: which flash package have you installed? |
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| 18:02.54 | greycat | just watch out for C++ ABI compatibility issues. |
| 18:03.01 | kevinv | greycat: I have tryed that, it doesn't seem to work, I think I'm missing a lib I have in my other partition. |
| 18:03.24 | greycat | kevinv: you can use ldd(1) on your libflashplayer.so |
| 18:03.26 | kevinv | Firefox just closes and dies if I do that, or install any flash plug-in. |
| 18:03.39 | kevinv | good idea, will do |
| 18:03.41 | kevinv | thanks. |
| 18:03.42 | greycat | sounds like a library compatibility problem to me. |
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| 18:04.24 | mls | tarvok: that looks ok. other things to check: are you in the audio group, have you checked that the mixer is not muted, and have you tried a "cat file > /dev/dsp"? |
| 18:04.35 | tech13 | in gnome, how do i set an application's running icon? (multi-gnome-terminal, emacs21, rdesktop all show blank page icon when running.) |
| 18:05.03 | goccia | i keep ibflashplayer.so only in ~/mozilla/plugins |
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| 18:05.42 | [sr] | howdy :P |
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| 18:05.55 | [sr] | need some help |
| 18:06.01 | [sr] | on limiting bandwidth with squid |
| 18:06.02 | abrotman | sktrdie: can you do the same with your /etc/apt/sources.list .. thanks |
| 18:06.06 | [sr] | anyone has some tips ? :P |
| 18:06.12 | greycat | ask #squid |
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| 18:06.16 | [sr] | ya |
| 18:06.17 | [sr] | already asked |
| 18:06.20 | dockane | hi all ... i am on sarge and downloaded qc-usb from sourceforge to get my logitech quickcam running. the README says to run ./quickcam.sh for an experimental automagic compile and installation. during this process it tells me, that my kernel is build with a different gcc (3.3.5-12) than the installed one (3.3.5-13) and recommends to abort. will i get in trouble going on with that ? |
| 18:06.22 | [sr] | they're all dead :p |
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| 18:06.35 | [sr] | no one? |
| 18:06.50 | [sr] | i'm searching the web also but didn't found anything till now.. |
| 18:07.15 | [sr] | you should :P |
| 18:07.28 | paster | "sktrdie" at 81.208.83.231 pasted "sources.list" (19 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/428 |
| 18:07.29 | mls | why should he? |
| 18:07.40 | mo | are there anyway to emulate a lilo splashboot. I want to do this coz i need the cordinates for the menu, and getting preatty of rebooting. :) |
| 18:07.43 | sktrdie | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/428 |
| 18:07.47 | greycat | limiting bandwidth = packet filter = OpenBSD+PF |
| 18:07.51 | tarvok | mls: there is no audio group, my mixer is not muted, and there seems to be no file or directory called /dev/dsp |
| 18:07.57 | [sr] | no!!! |
| 18:07.57 | greycat | nothin' to do with web proxies. |
| 18:08.00 | [sr] | i usec tc |
| 18:08.07 | [sr] | hey |
| 18:08.14 | [sr] | squid can limit also i'«m sure |
| 18:08.35 | greycat | [sr]: oh ok, I'll just tell my squid.conf to throttle the outgoing bandwidth used by bit torrent... |
| 18:08.46 | goccia | hehehe |
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| 18:08.51 | [sr] | oh hum |
| 18:09.03 | [sr] | i want to limit the incoming :P |
| 18:09.17 | tech13 | [sr], try googling: squid bandwidth throttle |
| 18:09.27 | abrotman | sktrdie: did you apt-get update at all ? |
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| 18:09.37 | [sr] | tech13 gonna do it :) |
| 18:09.40 | greycat | [sr]: oh ok, I'll just tell my squid.conf to throttle the incoming bandwidth used by bit torrent... |
| 18:10.00 | greycat | seriously, why are you concerned about HTTP bandwidth, *especially* incoming? |
| 18:10.29 | greycat | I dunno about you, but all of *my* big downloads are done via OpenFT or Bit Torrent or Freenet. |
| 18:10.32 | [sr] | because i don't used to steel bandwidth from the servers |
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| 18:10.38 | [sr] | i have a limited connection:| |
| 18:10.59 | greycat | I think you need to talk to #iptables instead. |
| 18:11.06 | [sr] | nah |
| 18:11.08 | stew | or lartc |
| 18:11.11 | sktrdie | abrotman: yes |
| 18:11.11 | sktrdie | wait |
| 18:11.13 | greycat | yes, or lartc.org |
| 18:11.16 | goccia | lartc |
| 18:11.17 | [sr] | i have a wierd network configuration |
| 18:11.23 | [sr] | doesn't work with that |
| 18:11.31 | greycat | assuming you don't break your web to the point that you can't reach http://lartc.org/ any more. |
| 18:11.31 | sktrdie | abrotman: yes I did |
| 18:11.33 | abrotman | sktrdie: make sure |
| 18:11.34 | [sr] | i used to use cqb.init and worked fine |
| 18:11.39 | [sr] | but now its difrent |
| 18:11.43 | tech13 | greycat, some people have more bandwidth then policy allows them. but they policy writters don't bother getting the hardware to enforce it. just the stuff to watch you break policy. |
| 18:11.48 | abrotman | sktrdie: apt-cache show gnome .. what version does it say ? |
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| 18:12.28 | sktrdie | abrotman: 64 |
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| 18:12.36 | PissedTrixBunny | blah! |
| 18:12.39 | PissedTrixBunny | !sex |
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| 18:12.46 | abrotman | PissedTrixBunny: stop |
| 18:12.53 | PissedTrixBunny | abrotman, okay. |
| 18:13.02 | PissedTrixBunny | abrotman, just a bit frustrated.... |
| 18:13.15 | abrotman | sktrdie: and what bout apt-cache show gnome-desktop-environment ? |
| 18:13.27 | PissedTrixBunny | abrotman, but it's okay.... everything I thought this week has broken.... I'm a technological curse |
| 18:13.37 | PissedTrixBunny | but its okay... things will be better.... |
| 18:13.45 | abrotman | PissedTrixBunny: get a cheesesteak .. settle down .. |
| 18:13.50 | sktrdie | abrotman: still 64 |
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| 18:14.22 | abrotman | sktrdie: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment .. and show the paster what it says |
| 18:14.31 | abrotman | sktrdie: the WHOLE thing |
| 18:14.35 | stew | sktrdie: what version of debian? |
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| 18:14.41 | abrotman | stew: he mixed |
| 18:14.42 | greycat | tech13: ok, granted that such things exist... squid ain't the solution. |
| 18:14.47 | tarzeau | PissedTrixBunny: could you please install popularity-contest ? |
| 18:14.53 | abrotman | stew: he's trying to get back to sarge's gnome |
| 18:14.56 | greycat | not even a transparent squid. |
| 18:14.59 | stew | uhh |
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| 18:15.09 | PissedTrixBunny | tarzeau, what the heck? |
| 18:15.16 | tarzeau | PissedTrixBunny: just do it |
| 18:15.18 | paster | "sktrdie" at 81.208.83.231 pasted "asdfa" (15 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/429 |
| 18:15.19 | abrotman | stew: yes .. we told sktrdie to reinstall ... he dosn't like that option .. so we're wasting time :) |
| 18:15.31 | sktrdie | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/429 |
| 18:15.34 | abrotman | sktrdie: now show me apt-get install gnome-core |
| 18:15.37 | sktrdie | reinstall my system?? |
| 18:15.42 | sktrdie | I have importan files |
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| 18:16.03 | PissedTrixBunny | tarzeau, why? |
| 18:16.04 | dupondje | hi, i'm trying to install debian sarge, but when install loads, screen goes black :s |
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| 18:16.22 | abrotman | sktrdie: they make these things .. they're called .. backups ;) |
| 18:16.27 | paster | "sktrdie" at 81.208.83.231 pasted "asdfdd" (17 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/430 |
| 18:16.30 | tarzeau | PissedTrixBunny: it's not broken, and i'll make you less frustrated |
| 18:16.35 | HolyGoat | Can I somehow force the removing of packages with apt disregarding dependencies? Something went wrong and because of it apt will no longer install anything. |
| 18:16.41 | sktrdie | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/430 |
| 18:16.43 | tarzeau | PissedTrixBunny: you'll be helping debian for http://popcon.debian.org |
| 18:16.48 | plb | hrm dpkg isn't here =\ is there a site for nvidia packages? |
| 18:16.51 | PissedTrixBunny | I guess so |
| 18:16.55 | greycat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:16.55 | badgers | apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick ... |
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| 18:17.00 | sktrdie | abrotman: I know, but if there's a way to fix this without reinstallint would be better |
| 18:17.03 | greycat | stupid truncating bots. |
| 18:17.12 | plb | !nvidia |
| 18:17.13 | badgers | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html. Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby... - ... |
| 18:17.20 | abrotman | sktrdie: and you did the dpkg --forget-old-unavail ? .. your system seems to really thing it can't get any sarge packages .. `apt-get update` did work right ? |
| 18:17.35 | sktrdie | yea |
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| 18:17.44 | abrotman | do them again ... |
| 18:17.51 | abrotman | but it's getting to the point where your computer hates you ... |
| 18:17.57 | abrotman | sktrdie: this is why we don't mix sources |
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| 18:17.59 | plb | !nvidia debs |
| 18:17.59 | badgers | i heard nvidia debs is Justin_ has built a set of nvidia debs for woody, sarge, and sid. See http://www.bouncybouncy.net:8000/nvidia_debs/APT_SOURCES or try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT or deb http://kambing.vlsm.org/DLL/debian-local stable lokal |
| 18:18.04 | tuomas_ | i have a question about reconfiguring a sound device in debian sarge |
| 18:18.07 | abrotman | sktrdie: repeat after me "I WILL NOT MIX SOURCES!" |
| 18:18.16 | sktrdie | i will not mix sources |
| 18:18.17 | sktrdie | ever |
| 18:18.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: :) |
| 18:18.21 | sktrdie | again |
| 18:18.24 | mls | tarvok: this line is in /etc/group: audio:x:29:mls, and that group owns many files in /dev, like audio, dsp, mixer, etc. how does yours differ? |
| 18:18.50 | abrotman | sktrdie: good .. now you can graduate to the "slightly educated debian user" class :) |
| 18:18.51 | tuomas_ | most probably i have an ac 97 integrated card, but i donät know that how to do it |
| 18:19.03 | sktrdie | abrotman: awesome |
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| 18:19.04 | dupondje | how can i get install working? cause its difficult with a black screen |
| 18:19.21 | abrotman | sktrdie: you have to know what you're doing before you do that .. it can turn into a real mess as you see |
| 18:19.39 | tuomas_ | i think i have a mess with my sound drivers |
| 18:19.48 | PissedTrixBunny | abrotman, I was wondering, can I create a user with a home directory (homedir1).... will I be able to add a second directory? I want to create a user for vsftpd with a certain homedir.... but I want to use that account with samba as well |
| 18:20.09 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 18:20.09 | badgers | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 18:20.17 | sktrdie | abrotman: all I wanted to do is isntall this app (unstable app), so since I couldnt find it I realized it was in the unstable part of apt-get... so I did it.. but everything got messed up |
| 18:20.21 | tarvok | Heh, it's in there. I guess it just didn't show up in the "users and groups" gui tool. I have it, with the difference being my name instead of yours. |
| 18:20.26 | abrotman | PissedTrixBunny: i don't use vsftpd |
| 18:20.32 | abrotman | sktrdie: which app ? |
| 18:20.35 | tarvok | mls: Heh, it's in there. I guess it just didn't show up in the "users and groups" gui tool. I have it, with the difference being my name instead of yours. |
| 18:20.43 | sktrdie | abrotman: tomboy |
| 18:20.47 | tuomas_ | maybe it is cos i tried to install xine |
| 18:20.48 | abrotman | tomcat ? |
| 18:20.54 | tuomas_ | ona stable sarge |
| 18:21.07 | tuomas_ | and fscked up |
| 18:21.08 | mls | tarvok: good. do you obtain a result from ls /dev/dsp* ? |
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| 18:21.27 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 18:21.29 | badgers | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable(doesn't apply until sarge is released to stable) |
| 18:21.30 | Shadur | What's the name of the partitioning software that the debian-installer uses, and can it be called from a running system? |
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| 18:21.39 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to tell wget to treat all redirects (300-level errors) as not-found? e.g., don't follow any redirections at all? (i've scoured the manpage and can't find any such option...) |
| 18:21.40 | abrotman | greycat: which is obviously out of date |
| 18:21.42 | dunstabulos | tarzeau, its names like popularity-contest that make you go searching to see if a package really exists, and this time, it did |
| 18:21.56 | abrotman | greycat: no good ? |
| 18:22.01 | tuomas_ | this si not fun.... |
| 18:22.13 | tuomas_ | i really really need my sound working |
| 18:22.23 | greycat | abrotman: hmm.. I hadn't considered the plastic-toy angle. |
| 18:22.23 | takatumi | dupondje: try starting the installer with vga=791 |
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| 18:22.29 | tuomas_ | or i go and switch on to macintosf |
| 18:22.32 | tarzeau | dunstabulos: yep. and the results are interesting, especially if you maintain one or a few packages |
| 18:22.36 | abrotman | greycat: i like it ... i made it .. i think last year about this time :) |
| 18:22.39 | tarzeau | tuomas_: go ahead |
| 18:22.46 | tarvok | I get the result: /dev/dsp /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp2 /dev/dsp3 |
| 18:22.57 | tarvok | mls: I get the result: /dev/dsp /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp2 /dev/dsp3 |
| 18:22.58 | dunstabulos | tarzeau, almost makes me want to set up email on this box |
| 18:23.09 | tarzeau | dunstabulos: you don't need email anymore w/ the latest version |
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| 18:23.20 | tarzeau | dunstabulos: they finally fixed THAT |
| 18:23.36 | tarzeau | dunstabulos: in 1.30 |
| 18:23.39 | dunstabulos | ooh, latest version, or latest in stable? |
| 18:23.47 | abrotman | greycat: kind of makes sense since sarge is a plastic toy soldier in the movie |
| 18:23.50 | tarzeau | dunstabulos: pity sarge needs email set up (get nullmailer) |
| 18:23.52 | greycat | abrotman: yes. |
| 18:23.57 | dunstabulos | tarzeau, only got 1.28 avail from synaptic |
| 18:24.06 | tarzeau | dunstabulos: well, get "nullmailer" then |
| 18:24.15 | mls | tarvok: good. and when you run "cat myfile > /dev/dsp" where "myfile" is a tiny file in your cwd? |
| 18:24.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: like www.linuks.mine.nu/sarge-acupuncture.jpg ? |
| 18:24.39 | ddddd | i want to run a command to reboot how i do? |
| 18:24.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: wrong! |
| 18:24.50 | greycat | ddddd: shutdown -r now |
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| 18:24.58 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 18:25.01 | ddddd | greycat :) |
| 18:25.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: wrong, what? |
| 18:25.06 | tarvok | mls: Huh. Now it says /dev/dsp: device or resource busy. |
| 18:25.10 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 18:25.10 | apt | Muslims rule! |
| 18:25.14 | SerajewelKS | ddddd, also try "reboot" |
| 18:25.17 | ddddd | nooo |
| 18:25.24 | ddddd | i mean another thing |
| 18:25.35 | ddddd | to execute a script |
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| 18:25.47 | greycat | ddddd: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 18:25.48 | ddddd | at reboot |
| 18:25.50 | SerajewelKS | ddddd, you want to reboot a script? |
| 18:25.59 | sktrdie | abrotman... there's no solutionfor this? |
| 18:26.03 | SerajewelKS | ddddd, ah, so you meant "at reboot" not "to reboot" |
| 18:26.10 | ddddd | yes sorry |
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| 18:26.35 | abrotman | greycat: and append this? http://www.darrenknightgallery.com/artpages/hout_pg/hout_4.jpg |
| 18:26.41 | SerajewelKS | isn't there an option for wget to limit the maximum number of redirects it will follow? |
| 18:26.48 | pgimeno | hi, the greylistd-setup-exim4 script has broken /etc/exim4/conf.d/40_exim4-config_check_data - how can I restore it? |
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| 18:27.05 | abrotman | sktrdie: there are other more invasive things .. what if you try to install gedit ? |
| 18:27.10 | FieldySnuts | yes, man wget |
| 18:27.14 | PissedTrixBunny | I was wondering, can I create a user with a home directory (homedir1).... will I be able to add a second directory? I want to create a user for vsftpd with a certain homedir.... but I want to use that account with samba as well |
| 18:27.21 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i couldn't find anything |
| 18:27.26 | SerajewelKS | FieldySnuts, the manpage doesn't list any such option over here, but i recall seeing it when i ran redhat |
| 18:27.26 | greycat | abrotman: doesn't look like flame damage. |
| 18:27.30 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: doesn't really make sense to limit that |
| 18:27.35 | greycat | looks more like bullet wound |
| 18:27.35 | abrotman | greycat: no .. but he does look to be dying :) |
| 18:27.57 | sktrdie | abrotman:wierd, same thing :( |
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| 18:28.06 | abrotman | greycat: if i think about it .. maybe i'll buy some and melt them :) |
| 18:28.07 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau, then most wget options don't make sense =P |
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| 18:28.11 | abrotman | sktrdie: what error .. paste! |
| 18:28.14 | greycat | Stupid google images! Your search - melt plastic army man - did not match any documents. |
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| 18:28.24 | r3m | strange when i go outside with my laptop and i plug it i receive boot failed from grub but in my house its ok what the fuck? |
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| 18:28.29 | greycat | that's twice today I've been denied! It can't find "debian captain blue eyes" either. |
| 18:28.29 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: no i disagree |
| 18:28.40 | sktrdie | abrotman: the same thing as when isntalling gnome, but this time depends on gedit-common |
| 18:28.41 | saabin | hello debian! |
| 18:29.08 | greycat | nor "melt plastic soldier". How lame. |
| 18:29.20 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau, you can't think of any instances when you want to get a file, but don't want to if it would require a redirect? |
| 18:29.30 | saabin | I have a question how is RAID 10 on linux? compare with other ones? |
| 18:29.33 | mls | tarvok: google says lsof will give you the owner of /dev/dsp |
| 18:29.35 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: no i can't |
| 18:29.38 | InfraRed | how do i 'downgrade' from unstable to stable ? |
| 18:29.46 | stew | InfraRed: reinstall |
| 18:29.51 | InfraRed | ouch :) |
| 18:29.51 | goccia | greycat: James A.Treacy ? |
| 18:29.55 | abrotman | sktrdie: it's really a pain to undo what you've done .. you sure you can't backup the data and reinstall ? |
| 18:29.56 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: when i want to get a file, i want to get a file. no matter what |
| 18:30.02 | InfraRed | stew: no easy way ? |
| 18:30.06 | tarzeau | InfraRed: no |
| 18:30.15 | InfraRed | ok fair enough |
| 18:30.21 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau, well when i want to get a file, i want to get it too. not a redirect to index.html. |
| 18:30.21 | stew | InfraRed: to reinstall? sure it's easy :) |
| 18:30.27 | mls | InfraRed: ask sktrdie if there's an easy way. ;-) |
| 18:30.40 | InfraRed | reinstall is PITA |
| 18:30.44 | InfraRed | anyway |
| 18:30.47 | InfraRed | needs to be done |
| 18:30.48 | tarzeau | InfraRed: then stay what you're on |
| 18:30.55 | plb | where there is a will there is a way!! |
| 18:31.01 | sktrdie | abrotman: well I could just transfer evetything but its a lot of stuff |
| 18:31.02 | tarzeau | InfraRed: have you tried experimental addons yet? |
| 18:31.05 | tarvok | mls: I pasted the results in #flood. I think it means I'm the owner. |
| 18:31.41 | tarzeau | plb: i wish that always worked |
| 18:31.51 | InfraRed | tarzeau: what kind of experimental addons ? |
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| 18:32.01 | tarzeau | plb: life can be so bitter at times |
| 18:32.07 | tarzeau | !experimental |
| 18:32.08 | badgers | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 18:32.19 | saabin | no one has experienced, or heard anything? ***how is RAID 10 on linux? compare with other ones? |
| 18:32.22 | abrotman | sktrdie: you can try to move /var/lib/dpkg/available to /var/lib/dpkg/available.org .. and apt-get update .. but you're really having a problem here .. have you removed ALL of gtk also ? |
| 18:32.37 | tarzeau | InfraRed: pretty nice stuff |
| 18:32.49 | abrotman | sktrdie: like .. libgtk etc .. |
| 18:32.53 | mls | tarvok: esd is the process that owns it, which is *mumble* sound daemon. |
| 18:33.52 | r3m | kernel 2.6 use modprobe.d instead of modutils but i dont got the modprobe.d directory.. wtf |
| 18:34.08 | tarvok | mls: This is very strange. I added sb to /etc/modules, rebooted, and it worked before. Now, it doesn't. I don't know why. |
| 18:34.15 | dvs | r3m: Did you install module-init-tools? |
| 18:34.21 | r3m | yes |
| 18:34.46 | r3m | dvs can i use the tradiniotal way? |
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| 18:34.59 | dvs | r3m: "Traditional" way? |
| 18:35.06 | tarzeau | !stream |
| 18:35.10 | abrotman | !pee |
| 18:35.13 | r3m | putting the script into modutils directory |
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| 18:35.30 | mls | tarvok: because esd is controlling access to your card. you need to install software that will talk to it. alternatively, you can uninstall esd. |
| 18:35.39 | tarzeau | !stream is http://streamlocator.de/ |
| 18:35.40 | badgers | tarzeau: okay |
| 18:35.45 | sktrdie | abrotman: no I just did the gnome stuff I guess |
| 18:36.02 | abrotman | sktrdie: you must remove libgtk i'm sure .. the libgtk you pulled in .. is not in sarge |
| 18:36.11 | abrotman | sktrdie: and it won't downgrade |
| 18:36.32 | sktrdie | so what I do? |
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| 18:36.37 | sktrdie | apt-get remove libgtk? |
| 18:36.37 | abrotman | remove libgtk |
| 18:36.48 | sktrdie | mm |
| 18:36.49 | abrotman | no .. you have to find it .. dpkg -l | grep libgtk .. then remove it |
| 18:36.52 | r3m | strkdie use windows :p |
| 18:36.57 | tarvok | mls: Why wouldn't x based sound programs (xmms, for example) talk to esd? I know little about this. What will happen if esd is uninstalled? |
| 18:37.10 | abrotman | r3m: yeah .. modules work better in windows |
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| 18:37.22 | fishdish | ahh... |
| 18:37.30 | fishdish | configure-debian installed |
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| 18:37.32 | greycat | tarvok: you would have to explicitly *tell* them to use esd. |
| 18:37.39 | fishdish | still sound not working |
| 18:37.47 | mls | tarvok: ask aptitude if anything depends on esd. |
| 18:37.47 | K_Dallas | hi guys! any program to draw flowcharts easily? (i am teachign the concept of a computer program to the kids and want them to use flowchart) thanks -ot, i know- sorry |
| 18:37.51 | fishdish | how to add a device |
| 18:37.53 | tarzeau | fishdish: 2.4 or 2.6? alsa or oss? |
| 18:38.04 | fishdish | 2.4 alsa |
| 18:38.12 | fishdish | debian sarge |
| 18:38.13 | r3m | i just want to know i put a startup script in rc2.d what i do after that? i run the update? how? |
| 18:38.23 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau, specifically, i would like such a wget option for use on servers that redirect to an error page instead of returning a 404 |
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| 18:38.39 | abrotman | r3m: that was a mistake |
| 18:38.48 | r3m | abrot explain me please |
| 18:38.59 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 18:39.09 | abrotman | badgers: smack badgers |
| 18:39.16 | r3m | abrotman: better? |
| 18:39.21 | Phated | Self abuse! |
| 18:39.33 | abrotman | r3m: put the script in init.d .. link to rc2 .. or use update-rc.d |
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| 18:39.43 | r3m | thanks ! |
| 18:39.46 | abrotman | r3m: but maybe windows is more your speed .. you seem to push it on others |
| 18:39.59 | r3m | lol |
| 18:40.12 | abrotman | !lol |
| 18:40.13 | badgers | methinks lol is Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
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| 18:40.27 | fishdish | i think my sound went berserk when i tried to install xine-lib |
| 18:40.39 | r3m | lol again |
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| 18:40.44 | r3m | Im lamer wouhoo |
| 18:40.47 | tarzeau | fishdish: 2.4 of debian or your own? |
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| 18:41.00 | fishdish | debian 2.4 |
| 18:41.04 | fishdish | .27 |
| 18:41.04 | sktrdie | abrotman: there are many libgtk packages, all of them |
| 18:41.13 | abrotman | sktrdie: show me all of them in paste |
| 18:41.13 | freeborn | greetings |
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| 18:41.15 | sktrdie | there is like libgtk1.2-comm libgtk2.0 |
| 18:41.15 | tarvok | Heh, I checked in Synaptic instead, and it said Gnome depends on it. |
| 18:41.25 | tarzeau | streuner__: bist nun wach? |
| 18:41.28 | tarvok | mls: Heh, I checked in Synaptic instead, and it said Gnome depends on it. |
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| 18:41.36 | streuner__ | tarzeau: na ja |
| 18:41.48 | abrotman | sussudio: time to resync badgers with dpkg i think |
| 18:42.02 | sktrdie | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/431 |
| 18:42.23 | freeborn | Can anybody help me setting up a bootsplash? |
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| 18:42.41 | necrogami | Anyone here have Cisco Equipment w/ IOS Software? If so .. you should read this ... [14:11] *dose* ftp://62.213.204.106/michael_lynn_cisco_hole.pdf |
| 18:42.42 | abrotman | sktrdie: how about you paste your entire dpkg -l |
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| 18:42.46 | mls | tarvok: probably a gnome multimedia program will use it properly. |
| 18:42.59 | abrotman | necrogami: wrong channel |
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| 18:43.43 | robin_sz | badger badger badger badger? |
| 18:43.51 | abrotman | !who are you |
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| 18:43.51 | badgers | I'm a chimp! |
| 18:43.51 | sktrdie | abrotman its soo long I canteeven select |
| 18:44.00 | abrotman | sktrdie: dpkg -l > filename |
| 18:44.01 | InfraRed | wankbadger |
| 18:44.13 | necrogami | nope Giving the world the Heads up on ISS Findings |
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| 18:44.54 | freeborn | Can anybody help me setting up a bootsplash? (Repeat 1 of 3) |
| 18:45.05 | sussudio | abrotman: badgers is running dpkg's latest available dump. |
| 18:45.10 | abrotman | sussudio: no way ... |
| 18:45.10 | greycat | take a crayon. draw a picture on the monitor. |
| 18:45.13 | abrotman | sussudio: there's stuff missing |
| 18:45.17 | highvoltage | freeborn: don' threaten the channel with repeats. |
| 18:45.17 | fishdish | imgoing to remove alsa |
| 18:45.17 | freeborn | thanks :P |
| 18:45.22 | sussudio | abrotman: not my fault. |
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| 18:45.31 | abrotman | sussudio: i balem you! |
| 18:45.33 | fishdish | trying with the oss driver itäs much simplier |
| 18:45.35 | abrotman | blame too :) |
| 18:45.40 | sktrdie | abrotman: in nano hwo do I select all? |
| 18:45.40 | sussudio | abrotman: i stab you. |
| 18:45.55 | abrotman | in soviet russia .. you stab i! |
| 18:45.57 | abrotman | wait ... |
| 18:46.00 | sktrdie | sorry for my noobish |
| 18:46.03 | sussudio | it's running http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/apt_dump.gz |
| 18:46.07 | dvs | oop! |
| 18:46.09 | tech9iner | wtf is badgers telling me about ''apt-get install shiraz'' when asking about wine Please ? |
| 18:46.10 | abrotman | sktrdie: i don't use nano .. and haven't for quite some time |
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| 18:46.29 | tech9iner | then if i ask bout shiraz'.. no clue.. |
| 18:46.32 | freeborn | sktrdie: i dont think you can |
| 18:46.36 | abrotman | !wine |
| 18:46.36 | badgers | i guess wine is at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 18:46.47 | freeborn | !bootsplash |
| 18:46.48 | badgers | bootsplash is probably http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates) see also gensplash |
| 18:46.54 | tech9iner | that just cute lines like im seeing on dpkg ? |
| 18:46.56 | abrotman | tech9iner: it's apt-get install wine |
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| 18:46.59 | freeborn | tried |
| 18:47.12 | abrotman | sussudio: somehow out of sync |
| 18:47.17 | tarvok | mls: Huh. Totem seems to think it's playing sound, but nothing comes out of the speakers. "Music Player" (whatever that is) claims /dev/dsp is already in use by another program (I couldn't tell you which one). xmms continues to simply say it can't use a sound device. |
| 18:47.28 | tech9iner | abrotman i just used synaptic to install all wine libs etc.. need more? |
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| 18:47.49 | abrotman | tech9iner: possibly .. try it |
| 18:48.14 | tech9iner | abrotman sorry.. but u mean go ahead and CLI install it again?.. or just try running it? |
| 18:48.41 | sussudio | abrotman: blame dondelelcaro then. |
| 18:48.43 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:48.44 | badgers | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:48.49 | abrotman | sussudio: he's in sooo much trouble :) |
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| 18:49.07 | abrotman | tech9iner: try running whatever windows app you're trying to use |
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| 18:49.18 | tech9iner | thanks abrotman |
| 18:49.53 | mls | tarvok: i believe esd is a moderator between other programs and the sound drivers. you probably have to do like greycat says and configure each to use esd. |
| 18:49.55 | tech9iner | btw.. im not finding 'services' ? must be here somewhere, no? |
| 18:50.15 | tech9iner | system-config-services not doing me any good rofl |
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| 18:50.51 | tech9iner | nevermind |
| 18:50.56 | tech9iner | gotta get used to bots in here.. |
| 18:51.02 | sktrdie | I guess I have to reisntall |
| 18:51.11 | sktrdie | :( |
| 18:51.15 | sktrdie | it sucks |
| 18:51.40 | tech9iner | great.. badgers is tight lipped bout services |
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| 18:51.53 | greycat | !rcconf |
| 18:51.54 | badgers | from memory, rcconf is a frontend to the update-rc.d |
| 18:51.54 | greycat | !services |
| 18:51.55 | badgers | For a buck ninety five, I'll do YOU right! |
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| 18:52.20 | stew | tech9iner: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:52.23 | SimonRaven | i did once when i started out. after a while you find out how to recover from really bad shit |
| 18:52.28 | greycat | 4.8 milligrams. |
| 18:52.31 | SimonRaven | sktrdie: ^^^ |
| 18:52.32 | greycat | sounds like a small dose to me. |
| 18:52.48 | freeborn | Ok. kernel patch requires sources in /etc/src/linux. but /usr/src/ is empty. |
| 18:52.51 | tech9iner | eh.. find services.. running services.. to see whats running.. check on wine running etc? |
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| 18:53.16 | greycat | ps |
| 18:53.18 | SimonRaven | freeborn: and using mv and ln is too hard? |
| 18:53.22 | greycat | pgrep, pkill |
| 18:53.26 | freeborn | yes, for me :) |
| 18:53.29 | greycat | you know, NORMAL UNIX COMMANDS. |
| 18:53.31 | philips | How do you bring up an interface on link? |
| 18:53.34 | DoppelGanger | freeborn: #windows |
| 18:53.34 | philips | I have googled allover |
| 18:53.38 | freeborn | -_- |
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| 18:53.56 | SimonRaven | then start reading: man ln; man mv |
| 18:53.59 | freeborn | where can they be found :P |
| 18:54.04 | tarvok | mls, greycat: hmm... how do I do that? |
| 18:54.05 | freeborn | i mean the source |
| 18:54.07 | FarrisG | Anyone know of a tool to convert a dwg to a pdf? |
| 18:54.13 | SimonRaven | $command --help is ok |
| 18:54.14 | HolyGoat | Hm.. anyone ever had this with cdrdao? "ERROR: Cannot retrieve write parameters mode page." |
| 18:54.16 | stew | freeborn: what are you tring to install? |
| 18:54.30 | freeborn | i have to patch my kernel for a bootsplash |
| 18:54.38 | greycat | "have to". |
| 18:54.51 | tarvok | greycat, mls: Never mind, I figured it out! |
| 18:54.51 | freeborn | so it says |
| 18:54.53 | Shadowcat | I don't see why a boot screen is a necessity |
| 18:54.54 | greycat | right. |
| 18:55.01 | mls | tarvok: what was it? |
| 18:55.15 | freeborn | so? |
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| 18:55.52 | freeborn | this will also teach me to patch kernels :) |
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| 18:56.04 | stew | freeborn: you might wanna look at splashy which doesn't require a patch |
| 18:56.07 | tarvok | mls: Under xmms, I changed my output plugin (under preferences) from the OSS Sound Driver to the eSound Output Plugin. |
| 18:56.10 | freeborn | like? |
| 18:56.23 | Shadowcat | xmms is a pain |
| 18:56.23 | tech9iner | JHChrist!! .. i get too tired of the window pane behaviors of nautilus.. just bout worst fm i could've nightmared up.. lol |
| 18:56.33 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 18:56.37 | Shadowcat | I get tired of gnome |
| 18:56.40 | Shadowcat | that's why I use KDE |
| 18:56.43 | Shadowcat | much friendlier |
| 18:56.44 | tarzeau | tarvok: wanna try Cynthiune.app ? |
| 18:56.48 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: wanna try gnustep ? |
| 18:56.51 | mls | tarvok: excellent, welcome to Linux. :-) |
| 18:57.00 | stew | actually splashy is only in experimental it seems |
| 18:57.14 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: uhh no :P |
| 18:57.14 | freeborn | i know. i already installed the exp. kernel |
| 18:57.21 | tarvok | mls: I still don't know why it worked before, but not now, but I'm happy with it. I suspect that a package installation spree I went on earlier did something to my system. |
| 18:57.24 | tech9iner | prefer gnome.. but Use konqueror ;] |
| 18:57.27 | stew | freeborn: what's an "exp. kernel"? |
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| 18:57.40 | mls | tarvok: likely it installed esd. |
| 18:57.45 | freeborn | experimental. 2.6.11 in my case |
| 18:57.58 | tech9iner | konq in mc mode rules over naut.. hehe 'nuat'.. |
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| 18:58.13 | stew | freeborn: have you compiled your own kernel before? |
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| 18:58.18 | freeborn | no. |
| 18:58.20 | tech9iner | nautilus is an intuitive file mngr.. Naut! ;] |
| 18:58.20 | tarzeau | tech9iner: got screenshot of the mc mode? |
| 18:58.26 | stew | freeborn: you would have to if you were going to patch one |
| 18:58.27 | goccia | tech9iner: krusader or konq ? |
| 18:58.27 | tarvok | Well, thanks guys. |
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| 18:58.47 | freeborn | stew: thats ok |
| 18:58.48 | Nebulous | does anyone know of a good introduction to kerberos, pam and ldap? |
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| 18:58.56 | tech9iner | tarzeau no but gotta b a zillion of them on google mate ;] |
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| 19:00.52 | dupondje | hi guys, i installed debian, but i want to change language from swedish to english, how can i do this ? |
| 19:01.06 | tarzeau | dupondje: x or console? |
| 19:01.10 | dupondje | console |
| 19:01.10 | tarzeau | or kde? |
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| 19:01.17 | ALEJANDRO | hi guys, anyone could explain me this discrepancy. I had apt-gotten wu-ftpd server, but I've already removed it. However, nmap localhost scan says that port 21 is open. why? |
| 19:01.24 | Shadowcat | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:01.27 | tarzeau | dupondje: have you installed "locales"? |
| 19:01.30 | Shadowcat | dpkg-reconfigure console-common |
| 19:01.36 | Shadowcat | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 19:01.40 | tarzeau | ALEJANDRO: what says telnet localhost 21 ? |
| 19:01.41 | Shadowcat | (correct me if I'm wrong here) |
| 19:01.53 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: that was for potato or woody or so |
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| 19:02.01 | mls | ALEJANDRO: did you run ftpd through inetd? |
| 19:02.05 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: or is keyboard input in console |
| 19:02.11 | ice_1963 | i have a hp printer i jest installed gnome from sarge which cup's shud i install ???? |
| 19:02.14 | ALEJANDRO | tarzeau: let me few seconds |
| 19:02.25 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: so what is it for sarge then? :P |
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| 19:02.49 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: don't remember, i use loadkeys to fix it whenever i get annoyed of the wrong setting |
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| 19:02.54 | ALEJANDRO | mls: yes I did, in the past it started automatically at boot time |
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| 19:03.32 | w_emfpilot | Hello all.. any opinions about sarge? good, bad, indifferent??? |
| 19:03.48 | ALEJANDRO | tarzeau: Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 19:03.49 | greycat | good. |
| 19:03.54 | Nebulous | sarge stole my lunch money and made me run ten laps around the field |
| 19:04.00 | mls | w_emfpilot: i'm here to keep people from using it. |
| 19:04.03 | pngwn | w_emfpilot, stable |
| 19:04.10 | greycat | Nebulous: when he said "give me 20", he didn't mean dollars. |
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| 19:04.18 | w_emfpilot | mls |
| 19:04.20 | w_emfpilot | ? |
| 19:04.52 | s4tiro | I need a help about SNORT! |
| 19:04.53 | mls | w_emfpilot: it's working so far. |
| 19:05.02 | tarzeau | takatumi: got a webcam from where you live? |
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| 19:05.28 | w_emfpilot | mls: ok thx |
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| 19:05.59 | Nebulous | I don't suppose anyone here has any experience with the unholy union of LDAP, Kerberos 5, courier-imap and Samba ? |
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| 19:06.07 | ALEJANDRO | it seems that nmap lies saying "Discovered open port 21/tcp on 127.0.0.1" |
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| 19:06.17 | greycat | LDAP and samba? /me runs screaming and fetches a priest. |
| 19:06.41 | freeborn | thanks for your help folks. |
| 19:06.41 | mls | ALEJANDRO: and what does nestat tell you? |
| 19:06.41 | Nebulous | greycat: well, in theory, it would be kerbos 5 and samba, with kerberos talking to ldap... |
| 19:06.46 | greycat | ALEJANDRO: alias nmap="for ((i=1; i<=20; i++)); do echo I will not run nmap; done" |
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| 19:06.52 | greycat | ALEJANDRO: lsof -i :21 |
| 19:06.54 | Nebulous | but, the more i study into this, the more my head spins |
| 19:07.05 | stew | ALEJANDRO: why would you use nmap on a local machine? |
| 19:07.12 | greycat | because he's ignorant |
| 19:07.19 | caphuso | stew: ignorance |
| 19:07.33 | Shadur | Okay, advice needed: I've got a live system mounted as /, and a set of partitions mounted under /mnt/target/ that I need to move all of / on to. What's my best bet? Tar or rsync? |
| 19:07.36 | robin_sz | but ignorance is bliss? no? |
| 19:07.36 | tech9iner | so Dmates.. |
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| 19:07.57 | tech9iner | attempting to install windBLOWz drivers for this lexmark printer via wine.. |
| 19:08.10 | greycat | robin_sz: 2+2 = 4. Cry, cry! |
| 19:08.10 | tech9iner | which would be the defualt best 1st attempt Please ?.. |
| 19:08.25 | tech9iner | w98 drivers installs?.. |
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| 19:08.37 | tech9iner | ..or xp2k driver set on sarge Please ? |
| 19:08.40 | greycat | tech9iner: #winehq |
| 19:08.42 | grigora | does anyone know why the installer cannot create a root partition on a RAID1 device? I have been trying to figure this out for 2 days and can't seem to find out anything. thanks for any ideas! |
| 19:09.04 | justnulling2 | how can i alias bond interface with another ip? |
| 19:09.13 | tech9iner | without winehq will have better feel for that specific to sarge than debianites would?.. hmmmm |
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| 19:09.32 | gnewbie | I installed sarge without X Window and after updated to UNSTABLE |
| 19:09.41 | grigora | justnulling2: I think you can do ifconfig eth0:0 to assign an IP alias |
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| 19:09.53 | gnewbie | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 19:10.05 | Vilim | tech9iner: wine doesn't care that much which distro you are running, any problems you encounter are likely to be wine ones |
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| 19:10.26 | justnulling2 | grigora: shouldn't it be ifconfig bond0:0? |
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| 19:10.56 | gnewbie | but, gnome-core, gnome, gimp is broken packages? |
| 19:10.58 | sean_micken|wtf | hey i just built a 2.6 kernel package with make-kpkg, but i just built the kernel image.. should i also build and install the headers or is that not necessary? |
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| 19:11.17 | nkuttler | gnewbie: broken packages in unstable? impossible! |
| 19:11.24 | mls | sean_micken|wtf: do you need them? |
| 19:11.28 | grigora | justnulling2: not sure what "bond" does ... you can have multiple IP addresses on the same ethernet interface, and I thought the way you'd do it was through the eth0:0 notation |
| 19:11.34 | nkuttler | sean_micken|wtf: just keep the source |
| 19:11.34 | tech9iner | Vilim thanks 4 clarity mate |
| 19:11.46 | gnewbie | nksen, EOG find the libexif10 packages, but its no exists! |
| 19:11.53 | gnewbie | nkuttler, , EOG find the libexif10 packages, but its no exists! |
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| 19:11.57 | nkuttler | !tell gnewbie about sid |
| 19:12.00 | sean_micken|wtf | mls: well im not sure if they are needed or not.. when would i need them? |
| 19:12.05 | tech9iner | now.. not holding me breath for #winehq.. been there many times to no avail.. lol |
| 19:12.14 | gnewbie | nkuttler, only libexif12 |
| 19:12.20 | mls | sean_micken|wtf: if you were compiling software against the running kernel. |
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| 19:12.45 | nkuttler | gnewbie: use stable if you want a stable box |
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| 19:12.56 | gnewbie | nkuttler, not |
| 19:13.08 | Vilim | I didn't know you could use printer drivers from windows on linux using wine. Then again the linux printer driver has worked swimmingly for all the printers I have tried so I had no need to |
| 19:13.08 | gnewbie | nkuttler, i want learning gtk/gnome 2.10 and 2.12 |
| 19:13.09 | justnulling2 | grigora: bond creates one virtual interface from eth* interfaces |
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| 19:13.39 | nkuttler | gnewbie: what does 'learn' mean? |
| 19:13.40 | gnewbie | nkuttler, how updated my distro to sid and gnome-2.10 |
| 19:13.48 | tech9iner | rofl.. lotsa help in winehq lol.. ''..hardware should be handled by linux, don't think you can use any hardware with wine that doesn't run with linux drivers..'' |
| 19:13.49 | sean_micken|wtf | mls: i will be doing that... installing the "drbd" kernel module... can't i just point it at /usr/src/linux when building? |
| 19:13.58 | gnewbie | nkuttler, hack gnome-panel and gnome-menu |
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| 19:14.08 | greycat | tech9iner: and you are laughing because...? |
| 19:14.13 | mls | sean_micken|wtf: sure, that will work. |
| 19:14.18 | nkuttler | gnewbie: i guess you better build gnome from source then, as a start |
| 19:14.22 | Vilim | do the linux drivers not work? |
| 19:14.41 | mls | sean_micken|wtf: assuming you leave your kernel source there |
| 19:14.47 | tech9iner | greycat cause im lost.. laughing at >>> tech9iner <<< so u know.. not wine people hehe |
| 19:14.51 | gnewbie | nkuttler, Why debian seek libexif10 for eog installation? but in sid its no exists, only libexif12? |
| 19:15.02 | dupondje | can't get console back to english :( |
| 19:15.06 | dupondje | still fucking swedish |
| 19:15.06 | dupondje | :( |
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| 19:15.14 | nkuttler | gnewbie: sid==unstable==possibly broken |
| 19:15.16 | Lee__ | that sounds plesant. swedish... |
| 19:15.19 | sean_micken|wtf | mls: ok.. so if i were to build the headers i would run make-kpkg -rev myrev kernel_headers ? |
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| 19:15.38 | asuffield | gnewbie: sid breaks. deal with it. |
| 19:15.40 | gnewbie | nksen, ghmmmm, good! nome-2.10 is broken in sid! |
| 19:15.40 | tech9iner | Vilim there arent any specific drivers for linux for this specific model lexmark guv |
| 19:15.53 | gnewbie | asuffield, testing have gnome-2.10? |
| 19:15.58 | asuffield | like I care |
| 19:16.02 | justnulling2 | grigora: ok seems that bond0:0 works, thanks |
| 19:16.11 | tech9iner | stuck helping out buddie that knows way less than i.. if thats poss hehe.. that bought this pos is all.. |
| 19:16.22 | Lee__ | tech9iner: guess you can't use it than. there's a Linux hardware incompatibility list. Search for that on google. |
| 19:16.29 | darkstego | If I have 2 connections to the internet how do I set up 1 default gateway during boot? |
| 19:16.32 | tech9iner | Lee__ thanks |
| 19:16.33 | Vilim | I don't know, see if lexmark has any drivers for download, and check out http://www.linuxprinting.org |
| 19:16.44 | Lee__ | !tell darkstego about networking |
| 19:16.49 | mls | sean_micken|wtf: looks right. make-kpkg(1) will help there. |
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| 19:17.40 | darkstego | Lee__, I know about those |
| 19:17.46 | darkstego | I have everything set up |
| 19:18.09 | darkstego | but I don't know the proper "debian" way to choose one primary gateway at boot |
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| 19:19.01 | Lee__ | just define one interface with a gateway in /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 19:19.56 | chrysopa | Hi |
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| 19:20.15 | chrysopa | How to discover if my cpu is 386, 486, 586 or 686? |
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| 19:20.24 | greycat | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:20.51 | chrysopa | greycat, I try it, but the information dont help. Look: |
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| 19:21.00 | chrysopa | model name : Celeron (Coppermine) |
| 19:21.01 | streuner__ | dont flood |
| 19:21.06 | greycat | celeron is 686 |
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| 19:21.23 | chrysopa | OK |
| 19:21.26 | chrysopa | thanks |
| 19:21.42 | mls | wt |
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| 19:24.23 | dupondje | how can i set default language to en_US:en ? |
| 19:24.23 | dupondje | :s |
| 19:24.29 | w_emfpilot | HI! Sarge comes with kernel 2.4.27 or 2.6.8? lemme guess 2.4.27 upgradable to 2.6.8 or whatever? |
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| 19:24.43 | streuner | both |
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| 19:24.57 | mls | dupondje: locales |
| 19:25.00 | PissedTrixBunny | w_emfpilot, you can type: linux26 to get 2.6 but "default" is 2.4 |
| 19:25.09 | dvs | w_emfpilot: you can INSTALL sarge with either kernel |
| 19:25.28 | w_emfpilot | so this is an install option then, yes? |
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| 19:25.43 | dvs | w_emfpilot: yup |
| 19:25.50 | w_emfpilot | ok thx all |
| 19:25.54 | dvs | w_emfpilot: Hit Alt-F2 at the startup screen |
| 19:26.20 | mugur | debian sid seems to be kind of broken, there are some unresolved dependencies for kde and k3b |
| 19:26.28 | w_emfpilot | dvs: gotcha thx |
| 19:26.34 | mugur | so unstable is finally unstable ? :) |
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| 19:26.41 | darkstego | hehehe |
| 19:26.49 | darkstego | and it was so stable for some time |
| 19:26.50 | streuner | mugur: what does BTS say? |
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| 19:27.22 | dupondje | mls |
| 19:27.31 | mugur | bts being... |
| 19:27.34 | dupondje | slecting it in dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't work :s |
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| 19:28.36 | tech9iner | ok.. heres a question for you yutes.. |
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| 19:29.03 | tech9iner | on one laptop on my network i can access my NFS shared folder.. |
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| 19:29.19 | tech9iner | on the other one 'contents could not be displayed' ? |
| 19:29.20 | mugur | ddpkg does'n seem to be online, to msg him about bts |
| 19:29.37 | streuner | mugur: use 'badgers' instead |
| 19:29.50 | tech9iner | again.. identical laptop installs of sarge.. amazing how diff the installs turned out ?? |
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| 19:30.00 | mls | dupondje: probably /etc/environment willl help |
| 19:30.10 | tech9iner | fixed the one 's resolution / display.. now.. |
| 19:30.21 | tech9iner | the other one cant access NFS shares?.. rofl |
| 19:30.33 | tech9iner | how does murphy know im late |
| 19:30.40 | mugur | yap, exactly what I was looking for, thanx |
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| 19:30.47 | greycat | murphy knows all. |
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| 19:31.30 | FollowMe | If a SCSI device errs, and no one in userspace can hear it, does it make a sound? |
| 19:31.39 | tech9iner | do i need to open nautilus as root maybe?.. [su in the debian tongue ;] |
| 19:32.53 | dvs | FollowMe: As long as you don't get the "click of death" ;-) |
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| 19:33.20 | greycat | FollowMe: depends on whether the inhabitants of userspace can type dmesg |
| 19:33.30 | cn | /usr/lib/opera/plugins/operamotifwrapper-3: error while loading shared libraries: libXm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:33.36 | cn | what does it means? |
| 19:33.45 | streuner | cn: it doesn't exist? |
| 19:33.53 | cn | and how can i solve |
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| 19:34.18 | streuner | badgers, find libxm.so.3 |
| 19:34.32 | dvs | I miss dpkg |
| 19:34.35 | kojiro | Hi, can someone please point me to a doc on how to install Debian to an external USB hd? |
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| 19:35.12 | greycat | !fuck dvs |
| 19:35.22 | badgers | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libxm.so.3' returned no results. |
| 19:35.31 | dvs | greycat: Not THAT kind of "miss" |
| 19:35.51 | streuner | cn: what app do you want to start at all? |
| 19:35.55 | Nebulous | dpkg sounds so much better than... badgers |
| 19:35.57 | cn | opera |
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| 19:36.10 | cn | it starts but give that |
| 19:36.23 | greycat | that's an older CMD: fuck, too. |
| 19:36.27 | greycat | dpkg's is more complex |
| 19:36.56 | streuner | cn: well, opera isn't in debian... |
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| 19:37.24 | abrotman | cn: i think i had that problem .. i think i linked the file |
| 19:37.26 | FarrisG | I'm using lvm2 and have a logical volume made of two usb drives. It was all working fine, but the system lost power, and when it came back up, LVM was unable to recognize one of the PVs |
| 19:37.27 | streuner | cn: what branch do you running? |
| 19:37.35 | streuner | cn: sarge? |
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| 19:37.43 | Nebulous | does anyone know a public available ntp server? |
| 19:37.55 | abrotman | Nebulous: pool.ntp.org |
| 19:38.04 | streuner | Nebulous: ntp.nasa.gov |
| 19:38.05 | abrotman | !tell Nebulous about ntp |
| 19:38.06 | cn | testing |
| 19:38.14 | drac | cn: hrr, install non-free/libs/libmotif3 |
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| 19:38.28 | Nebulous | than you |
| 19:38.28 | streuner | cn: use firefox instead - go to mozilla and download binaries |
| 19:38.45 | cn | i like opera |
| 19:38.51 | abrotman | cn: ilbmotif3 |
| 19:38.54 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:38.56 | FarrisG | It's very strange because "pvdisplay" says "couldn't find device with uuid 'XXX...', but then lists both devices, one with that exact UUID, except that the PV Name says "unknown device" |
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| 19:39.08 | cn | apt-get install libmotif3? |
| 19:39.16 | streuner | abrotman: they packaged opera wrong |
| 19:39.31 | tech9iner | k mates.. tryng to mount an NFS share folder on sarge.. |
| 19:39.37 | abrotman | streuner: no .. they just didn't put a depends in :) |
| 19:39.37 | drac | cn: Yes, if you have 'main contrib non-free' in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:39.41 | abrotman | streuner: it still runs .. |
| 19:39.45 | pipeline | cn: Get the static package of opera. |
| 19:39.47 | streuner | abrotman: ok :-) |
| 19:39.52 | abrotman | pipeline: static has the same issue |
| 19:40.00 | Nebulous | okay, i think i'm getting this kerebos end of things... at least the basics |
| 19:40.01 | pipeline | abrotman: Oh, so they just completely screed the pooch. |
| 19:40.02 | streuner | using opera is not very clever |
| 19:40.08 | tech9iner | tried mount -t auto.. replace auto with 'nfs' ?.. or 'vfs' ? dont recall Please .. thanks |
| 19:40.11 | pipeline | Opera for linux is awful anyway. |
| 19:40.23 | pipeline | It only bears a passing resemblance to the win32 version. |
| 19:40.26 | abrotman | pipeline: IMO .. better than the windows one :) |
| 19:40.26 | Lee__ | yeah, opera was for, like, 2001. |
| 19:40.26 | pipeline | Waste of your time, really. |
| 19:40.44 | HolyGoat | Damnit.. cdrdao detects my cdrom writer just fine when I do cdrdao scanbus, but when I try to burn a cue/bin pair, it complains.. here is the error message. http://hashphp.org/pastebin?pid=4563 |
| 19:40.46 | cn | opera is fast |
| 19:40.50 | drac | opera is fast on kde |
| 19:40.51 | abrotman | pipeline: that's the one i use on linux |
| 19:40.51 | pipeline | abrotman: You're a weird one, then. Win32 Opera is really a very nice browser. UNIX opera is a pain in my ass. |
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| 19:41.08 | Lee__ | hell, so is my 1.8ghz CPU. DO web browsers need to be faster anymore?\ |
| 19:41.14 | pipeline | drac: Not really. It only uses Qt, none of the rest of the KDE apparatus, so it's sinfully ugly under all desktops :) |
| 19:41.17 | abrotman | pipeline: pain why? |
| 19:41.18 | greycat | Lee__: they need to be less buggy. |
| 19:41.23 | pipeline | Lee__: Heh, Opera's renderer is /noticably/ faster. |
| 19:41.42 | abrotman | greycat: they need to have patches for security issues |
| 19:41.56 | Lee__ | they need an integrated word processor and audio editor |
| 19:41.57 | pipeline | Lee__: For example, Opera doesn't cache pre-rendered pages. It doesn't have to. It renders pages on the fly, while they're downloading, re-rendering dozens of times a second if needbe :P |
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| 19:42.10 | drac | pipeline: err, Opera 'detects' KDE on first startup.. is that there for nothing? :/ |
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| 19:42.42 | pipeline | drac: As far as I know, yes. Opera doesn't take advantage of any KDE features. Maybe it reads KDE-specific Qt font / theme settings? |
| 19:42.44 | Lee__ | I'm not joking about the audio editor http://www.odeo.com/ |
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| 19:43.05 | abrotman | drac: it uses Qt .. not KDE afaik |
| 19:43.14 | sandman10_99 | what package is the lp command in? lpr seems to be it but i don't see /usr/bin/lp in the file listing, only /usr/bin/lpr (and others) |
| 19:43.16 | drac | pipeline: Yeah, it's prolly just for theming.. |
| 19:43.16 | greycat | abrotman: they also need to have "strict modes" and reject invalid HTML with warnings to the user who is presumably the page's author as well and wants to know where he fucked up. |
| 19:43.20 | abrotman | drac: i have no KDE or Qt libs on my computer afaik .. i got the static opera ... works fine |
| 19:43.22 | drac | Now that I think of it |
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| 19:43.33 | abrotman | greycat: i htink there is a browser for that ... |
| 19:43.45 | badblody | how can i replace a single character with many characters with tr ? |
| 19:43.45 | abrotman | greycat: but i'm referring to the remarks from joey and 'joey' about firefox |
| 19:43.54 | abrotman | sed ? |
| 19:44.00 | FollowMe | greycat: Hmm... inhabitants of userspace expect a userspace response. I have a piece of (closed source) software that works on 2.4 kernels, but not on 2.6 |
| 19:44.18 | karim | hem is it possible to disable encryption with rsync ? |
| 19:44.21 | karim | or ssh .. |
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| 19:45.02 | Lee__ | use rsh or an rsync server |
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| 19:45.30 | pipeline | sandman10_99: cupsys-client |
| 19:45.34 | FollowMe | Is there a channel for linux-scsi issues somewhere? I need some clues. |
| 19:45.39 | pipeline | sandman10_99: If you're using anything but cups in this day and age, I pity you. |
| 19:45.50 | sandman10_99 | pipeline, using cups |
| 19:45.53 | pipeline | FollowMe: I suggest you just ramble about your problem in this channel and hope someone takes an interest. |
| 19:45.54 | obscuresoul | which is the printer's device? /dev/lp0 ? |
| 19:45.57 | sandman10_99 | pipeline, helping a friend |
| 19:46.14 | pipeline | sandman10_99: well, cupsys-client is the relevant package for /usr/bin/lp -- also, cupsys-bsd for the bsd-ish lpr |
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| 19:46.19 | porridge | hi |
| 19:46.28 | porridge | does anybody use LVM snapshots? |
| 19:46.31 | pipeline | sandman10_99: debian calls CUPS cupsys because the "CUPS" name is trademarked or something. |
| 19:46.43 | pipeline | porridge: I do not, but I have heard that LVM snapshots are dodgy in LVM 2 :( |
| 19:46.46 | porridge | does 'lvdisplay /the/snapshot/device' display anything? |
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| 19:47.26 | FollowMe | pipeline: ok, my stupid backup app won't work in 2.6 kernels, while it works in 2.4. 2.6 gives no errors back to userspace. I can see them in kern.log if I turn on debugging for st module, but the app. expects some kind of userspace response. |
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| 19:47.58 | dvs | !worked in 2.4 |
| 19:47.59 | badgers | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 19:48.01 | Lee__ | FollowMe: does your backup app author have anything to say about 2.6 kernels? |
| 19:48.14 | pipeline | FollowMe: My solution would be to use 2.4 :( |
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| 19:48.32 | FollowMe | Lee__: they don't support it yet. I'm looking for a workaround. |
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| 19:48.41 | abrotman | FollowMe: what kind of errors ? |
| 19:48.43 | Lee__ | could that work around be a 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:49.00 | FollowMe | abrotman: for example, no end-of-tape is detected |
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| 19:49.27 | stew | what i wouldn't give to convince this client he shouldn't be ftping new database files over a running mysql database |
| 19:49.42 | stew | yes, ftp. yes, running mysql |
| 19:49.55 | tech9iner | Ciao 4 now ;] all an thanks.. ;];] |
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| 19:50.07 | porridge | stew: don't give him access to the db dir |
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| 19:50.45 | richb | stew: break it, blame it on him, then charge him to fix?:P |
| 19:50.50 | abrotman | FollowMe: you say that like it's a bad thing ;) |
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| 19:50.53 | FollowMe | abrotman: Since I'm not really knowledgeable about SCSI, I'd like to know at least how does it work in 2.4. |
| 19:51.04 | michael__ | does anybody know where modprobe.conf is located |
| 19:51.14 | abrotman | michael__: locate modprobe.conf |
| 19:51.22 | stew | richb: its broken |
| 19:51.22 | michael__ | tried that |
| 19:51.27 | abrotman | michael__: might have to updatedb first |
| 19:51.27 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.40 | richb | stew: PROFIT!!! |
| 19:51.43 | abrotman | FollowMe: the st driver is loaded ? |
| 19:51.44 | stew | richb: i will charge him to fix it, of course. I'd just rather be doing more interesting work |
| 19:51.45 | michael__ | i need it to apply to my wireless usn card |
| 19:51.47 | streuner | michael__: playing with modprobe.conf causes serious headaches ;-) |
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| 19:52.02 | valdyn | michael__: look into /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 19:52.03 | FollowMe | abrotman: umm... when a 10 hours / 400GB backup is aborted because there was no early end-of-tape detected by the software, and I have to run it by hand again, it makes me slightly annoyed. ;-) |
| 19:52.05 | michael__ | how else can i get my microsfot mn-510 wireless usb card working |
| 19:52.14 | mls | stew: automate the recovery, then read slashdot while it gets fixed. |
| 19:52.16 | Caldrin | Is there any way to force postfix to use a maildir in /var/spool/mail/? I only found the trailing / in home_mailbox, but this puts the maildir in /home/$user/. |
| 19:52.23 | usn | michael__, usn-card? .-) |
| 19:52.29 | michael__ | usb |
| 19:52.38 | abrotman | FollowMe: you need a faster drive .. problem solved :) |
| 19:52.53 | FollowMe | abrotman: yes, the software uses the st devices, it better be loaded ;-) |
| 19:52.55 | abrotman | FollowMe: what is the difference between you doing it manually and your script ? |
| 19:53.07 | abrotman | FollowMe: and which device are you using for your tape ? |
| 19:53.15 | FollowMe | abrotman: oh, then I'd get 2 hr/400GB backups aborted ;-) |
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| 19:53.50 | michael__ | unless you know another way to get it wokring, linux found it when i did lsusb and lsmod found the drivers for it |
| 19:54.03 | stew | mls: and i have much much more interesting things to do than read slashdot |
| 19:54.06 | michael__ | but iwconfig did not find it |
| 19:54.11 | Caldrin | Is there any way to force postfix to use a maildir in /var/spool/mail/? I only found the trailing / in home_mailbox, but this puts the maildir in /home/$user/. |
| 19:54.37 | mls | stew: do they include developing a sense of humor? |
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| 19:54.48 | abrotman | FollowMe: another option for backup is the linus torvalds method :) |
| 19:54.51 | FollowMe | the problem is in 2.4, the userspace somehow knows when the logical-EOT occurs, and stops dumping to that tape. In this case, it goes straight to physical EOT and ends in an I/O error. |
| 19:55.07 | abrotman | sussudio: i can't search!!! |
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| 19:55.24 | FollowMe | abrotman: Unfortunately our data is not that interesting that anyone would want to mirror it ;-) |
| 19:55.42 | abrotman | FollowMe: you never know ... |
| 19:55.42 | uboyo | how would I explicitly use gcc 3.3 when building a kernel? |
| 19:55.48 | abrotman | gcc3.3 ? |
| 19:56.23 | abrotman | FollowMe: you might want to ask #kernel .. they may have some idea ... or check the kernel bug tracker |
| 19:56.28 | FollowMe | abrotman: ... and I think the users might not like that. |
| 19:56.43 | FollowMe | Yes, #kernel sounds nice |
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| 19:56.58 | abrotman | FollowMe: did you look for options to the tape drive ? |
| 19:57.01 | abrotman | err tape driver |
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| 19:57.10 | uboyo | abrotman, yes, It defaults to gcc-4.0, and menuconfig fails |
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| 19:57.28 | abrotman | uboyo: i meant .. use the command gcc3.3 ? |
| 19:57.30 | FollowMe | abrotman: not many options in 2.6's st. |
| 19:57.31 | sussudio | abrotman: now what |
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| 19:57.36 | abrotman | sussudio: i told you |
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| 19:57.45 | abrotman | sussudio: listvals blah .. no workie :) |
| 19:57.47 | sussudio | abrotman: google? what? |
| 19:58.08 | abrotman | sussudio: google ? .. what is this google you speak of .. |
| 19:58.15 | sussudio | abrotman: kill TimRiker. |
| 19:58.26 | abrotman | !kill TimRiker |
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| 19:58.30 | abrotman | sussudio: done ... |
| 19:58.53 | abrotman | did don say what happened to dpkg ? |
| 19:58.58 | FollowMe | !mushroom |
| 19:58.59 | badgers | [mushroom] A snake, a snake! |
| 19:59.01 | sussudio | !listvals badger |
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| 19:59.20 | uboyo | abrotman, is there a environment variable I can set for menuconfig? |
| 19:59.29 | abrotman | uboyo: export CC ? |
| 19:59.47 | abrotman | oh shit .. now badgers died! |
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| 19:59.57 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 20:00.00 | sussudio | !listvals kill |
| 20:00.01 | abrotman | badgers: wb |
| 20:00.03 | badgers | Factoid search of 'kill' by value (1): CMD: wb (.*?). |
| 20:00.03 | badgers | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 20:00.03 | goose | wich command tells my what devices are connected to my computer (eg usb) |
| 20:00.06 | greycat | @wb badgers |
| 20:00.07 | ravenbird | Welcome back badgers, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 20:00.21 | abrotman | sussudio: in /msg .. still no workie :) |
| 20:00.22 | uboyo | abrotman, ok, I must be doing something else wrong, thanks |
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| 20:00.30 | tarzeau | hey something is wrong |
| 20:00.38 | tarzeau | did nobody ever ask about ubuntu? |
| 20:00.46 | sussudio | !listvals abrotman |
| 20:00.48 | badgers | Factoid search of 'abrotman' by value (15 of 16): abrotman ;; broadcom woody ;; buckabeer ;; cheesesteak ;; crabpaste ;; fixed ;; flw17 ;; iaaf ;; qotd101 ;; qotd40 ;; qotd53 ;; qotd60 ;; sarge pool 4 ;; sing abrotman ;; thinkpad. |
| 20:00.51 | tarzeau | or i forgot that i had a ignore on it |
| 20:00.53 | abrotman | uboyo: are you running ubuntu ? |
| 20:00.59 | sussudio | wtf. |
| 20:01.06 | goose | wich command tells my what devices are connected to my computer (eg usb) |
| 20:01.06 | abrotman | sussudio: indeed! |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | goose: lsusb |
| 20:01.39 | maher | goose: lsusb / usbview |
| 20:01.54 | goose | maher: thanks |
| 20:01.58 | sussudio | what sort of anal person makes config options case sensitive |
| 20:02.06 | abrotman | sussudio: a perl monger? |
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| 20:02.08 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 20:02.15 | tarzeau | sussudio: java person? |
| 20:02.18 | abrotman | sussudio: yay |
| 20:02.33 | abrotman | !beer sussudio |
| 20:02.36 | cddesjar | oh no where is dpkg? |
| 20:02.44 | abrotman | cddesjar: vacation .. south pacific |
| 20:02.44 | greycat | !where's dpkg |
| 20:02.45 | badgers | Dpkg? Don't know who you're talking about. Haven't seen him. Didn't kidnap him or eat him. *burp* Nope, sorry, no idea. |
| 20:02.52 | tarzeau | cddesjar: she went shopping, her sister apt is still here |
| 20:02.53 | streuner | abrotman: hehe |
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| 20:02.58 | tarzeau | and their girlfriend badgers |
| 20:03.15 | streuner | only dondelelcaro knows... |
| 20:03.21 | abrotman | and he's not saying |
| 20:03.27 | cddesjar | how do i ask dpkg a question about java? |
| 20:03.34 | abrotman | ask badgers |
| 20:03.38 | greycat | cddesjar: /msg badgers java |
| 20:04.37 | abrotman | !petsmite greycat |
| 20:04.49 | goose | how do i mount a usb device? is it possible, that devices who are connected through usb mount automatically - like windows does? |
| 20:05.02 | abrotman | goose: what's the device ? /dev/??? |
| 20:05.07 | greycat | goose: they generally show up as scsi disks. /dev/sd* |
| 20:05.08 | abrotman | goose: dmesg may help here |
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| 20:05.20 | sussudio | in soviet russia, usb device mounts you |
| 20:05.29 | abrotman | maybe they should move those to /dev/ums* |
| 20:05.33 | sussudio | goose: lsusb. |
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| 20:06.20 | goose | ok ill try the commands |
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| 20:07.52 | sijmen | I was talking about parallel 'init' last day, and I've written my own init replacement thingy. |
| 20:08.07 | sijmen | Last boot, I was able to use it to boot my system and get to the Ubuntu GDM login screen :D |
| 20:08.10 | tarzeau | sussudio: in nethack, when you mount your pet, you must also ride it |
| 20:08.26 | greycat | tarzeau: but you can't ride bareback. |
| 20:08.31 | goose | abrotman: but is it possible to configure it, so that i dont have to do any commands after plugging in the usb drive? |
| 20:08.37 | abrotman | goose: it is .. |
| 20:09.17 | goose | abrotman: would you like to tell me? or at least give me a hint... please. |
| 20:09.27 | abrotman | sijmen: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html |
| 20:09.29 | greycat | sounds like one of those icky udev/hal things. |
| 20:09.36 | abrotman | goose: depends on your DE |
| 20:09.45 | greycat | oh, that's even worse. a udev/hal/gnome thing. |
| 20:09.54 | abrotman | i have no idea how kde does it |
| 20:10.02 | abrotman | greycat: it's actually gnome-vfs iirc |
| 20:10.08 | abrotman | or gnome-volume-manager |
| 20:10.22 | tarzeau | my right breast hurts so much |
| 20:10.23 | darkskiez | is udev/hal not a good thing? |
| 20:10.25 | abrotman | whichever .. i've not done it yet .. and probably wont |
| 20:10.27 | abrotman | ack |
| 20:10.28 | abrotman | won't |
| 20:10.30 | greycat | so you can't just have some NON-GUI daemon mount your USB mass storage device on /mnt/usbkey without a GUI? |
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| 20:10.34 | goose | abrotman: what do you mean? debian sarge, using kde as gfx-interface |
| 20:10.37 | FollowMe | greycat: hey, when DEs have own VFS layers, its a sure sign something's very wrong. |
| 20:10.41 | abrotman | greycat: not that i've seen .. except autofs maybe |
| 20:10.49 | greycat | FollowMe: indeed. |
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| 20:11.03 | abrotman | goose: might want to ask #debian-kde .. i am not sure if kde has that .. but they would know how to do it automagically |
| 20:11.08 | tarzeau | FollowMe: single applications have vfs layers as in browsing/manipulating files in tar.gz / zip archives... |
| 20:11.13 | greycat | might ask #kde too. |
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| 20:11.29 | ricky_clarkson | Ribbit. |
| 20:11.32 | oukki2 | hola |
| 20:11.36 | oukki2 | como estan? |
| 20:11.36 | abrotman | !frog ricky_clarkson |
| 20:11.37 | goose | abrotman: thanks, ill try that |
| 20:11.38 | ricky_clarkson | Said the frog to the Durex manufacturer. |
| 20:11.38 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:11.39 | badgers | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:11.40 | concept10 | could someone suggest a good RSS reader..? I need one that will allow me to add feeds from Firefox |
| 20:12.00 | tarzeau | concept10: apt-cache search rssreader |
| 20:12.16 | concept10 | im looking for suggestions |
| 20:12.27 | abrotman | apt-cache search rss ? |
| 20:12.30 | sijmen | abrotman: That's about the same yes. |
| 20:12.32 | asuffield | the obvious answer would be thunderbird... |
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| 20:12.39 | asuffield | rss is crap though |
| 20:12.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: opera! |
| 20:12.50 | Nebulous | i tried a few extensions in firefox for rss reading |
| 20:12.53 | Nebulous | i didn't like any of them |
| 20:13.06 | Nebulous | atom, sage... what else... |
| 20:13.11 | concept10 | asuffield, I use Thunderbird already for RSS feeds but I would like to add feed links from Firefox |
| 20:13.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: yuck! please no |
| 20:13.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: crashes less often :) |
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| 20:13.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: i like safari.app and omniweb.app |
| 20:13.42 | quiet | hey guys, i need some help.. i just got a call from our ISP saying that something is sucking up bandwidth on our connection, and he can't see what it is, because he can't get through our firewall obviously.. is there some kind of application that will tell me what is eating so much bandwidth?? I think ethereal would work.. but i would have to configure the switch to direct all traffic through that port... which I can't do at the moment. |
| 20:13.46 | concept10 | asuffield, RSS is the future! |
| 20:13.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: ew |
| 20:14.01 | tarzeau | quiet: yeah check a sniffer or iptraf |
| 20:14.09 | tarzeau | quiet: got skype? |
| 20:14.16 | quiet | no i don't have skype |
| 20:14.18 | abrotman | quiet: stop using bittorrent |
| 20:14.23 | quiet | not using bittorrent |
| 20:14.25 | abrotman | no more gntutella! |
| 20:14.30 | abrotman | gnutella either |
| 20:14.36 | concept10 | I predict APT will be based on RSS in the future |
| 20:14.36 | quiet | unless someone else is |
| 20:14.40 | quiet | that's what i need ot know |
| 20:14.41 | asuffield | and download less porn |
| 20:14.46 | quiet | this is corp. |
| 20:14.50 | FollowMe | abortman: Opera is better because it can at recover the session correctly after it crashes. ;-) |
| 20:14.53 | abrotman | quiet: and ? |
| 20:14.58 | asuffield | then it's full of porn |
| 20:14.59 | abrotman | FollowMe: that is one advantage |
| 20:15.16 | Nebulous | well, you could always firewall the ports that all the p2p programs use |
| 20:15.18 | mls | quiet: why did your ISP call you about this? |
| 20:15.18 | quiet | so i need to know if someone is running gnutella or something.. but how do i check? |
| 20:15.21 | abrotman | is it ... nettop? |
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| 20:15.28 | robin_sz | quiet: ask them? |
| 20:15.36 | quiet | mls, as a courtesy, because we generally don't use very high bandwidth |
| 20:15.40 | supo | eloo all |
| 20:15.48 | mls | it's like the gas station asking you why you drive so much. weird |
| 20:15.50 | quiet | robin_sz, yeah, that'll work |
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| 20:16.47 | supo | i used distro sarge and athetos wireless card ath0, bud i don`t seen the ath0 card in iptraf, any ideas, thanks... |
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| 20:16.58 | FollowMe | mls: It's also polite. When our customers have dial-on-disasters, we contact them too. |
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| 20:17.03 | robin_sz | quiet: well, do you have the skills and ability to set up a monitoring port on the switch, write a tcpdump filter recipie, put your ethernet card into "promiscuous" mode and then analyze the results? |
| 20:17.12 | Nebulous | um, does anyone know what blocking list or organization AOL uses? |
| 20:17.15 | mls | quiet: set a usage policy of no file sharing, then fire one of the more usless employees and fire them messily. |
| 20:17.24 | mls | s/fire/find/ |
| 20:17.49 | quiet | robin_sz, the ability yes... the skills no.. |
| 20:18.12 | quiet | we do have a no file sharing policy... |
| 20:18.22 | robin_sz | quiet: well, then I suggest just going and asking them, its going to be safer. |
| 20:18.28 | abrotman | nettop ? |
| 20:18.29 | quiet | it's a 99% windows environment too |
| 20:18.31 | abrotman | is that what it's called ? |
| 20:18.42 | boogie | there's iftop |
| 20:18.51 | abrotman | it hink that's what i'm thinking |
| 20:19.03 | abrotman | though .. something called jnettop exists |
| 20:19.08 | abrotman | !info jnettop sarge |
| 20:19.12 | badgers | jnettop: (View hosts/ports taking up the most network traffic), section net, is extra. Version: 0.10.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 20:19.22 | abrotman | and that's all i know about it! |
| 20:19.22 | robin_sz | neato |
| 20:19.36 | abrotman | hrm |
| 20:19.48 | robin_sz | no point |
| 20:19.49 | concept10 | I cant believe Fry's has started bundling WinXP with motherboards |
| 20:19.58 | abrotman | OEM! |
| 20:20.21 | robin_sz | its got J infront of it ... |
| 20:20.24 | greycat | I can't believe you'd buy a motherboard from a place called "fry's" |
| 20:20.26 | abrotman | holy crap .. jnettop is interesting |
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| 20:20.29 | quiet | of course, that's just going to analyse traffic to/from my notebook running jnettop right? |
| 20:20.29 | abrotman | robin_sz: i'ts not java |
| 20:20.35 | robin_sz | sure? |
| 20:20.36 | lindenle | frys rules |
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| 20:20.44 | concept10 | who cares what the place is called. |
| 20:20.52 | robin_sz | abrotman: the J is enough to scare me off |
| 20:20.56 | greycat | I should start a restaurant chain called "puke's" |
| 20:20.58 | abrotman | robin_sz: try it .. it's interesting |
| 20:21.06 | abrotman | greycat: oh .. now that's a business idea |
| 20:22.30 | robin_sz | abrotman: OK, you win .. it *is* interesting ... not bad |
| 20:22.39 | concept10 | greycat, do you make your purchase decisions based on the name of the store? |
| 20:22.49 | abrotman | greycat: there was a diner near where i grew up called the Blue Comet .. it got the nickname "Blue Vomit" |
| 20:22.53 | ricky_clarkson | "Don't buy from PC World". |
| 20:22.57 | abrotman | robin_sz: see! :) |
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| 20:23.07 | robin_sz | see spot compile? |
| 20:23.17 | robin_sz | see spot run ... |
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| 20:23.25 | robin_sz | see spot fandango on core! |
| 20:23.31 | concept10 | You guys have been shopping with your girlfriends (real or imaginary) toooo much. |
| 20:23.33 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: In Amsterdam there is a restaurant that claims to do crap food and warm beer. |
| 20:23.49 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Unlike all the others in Amsterdam, it does the opposite. |
| 20:24.10 | ricky_clarkson | warm food and crap beer. ;~) |
| 20:24.15 | abrotman | concept10: or we ourselves have standards |
| 20:24.33 | robin_sz | never mind all that ... does anyone know how to set up the backstop on a Promecam 50 tonne press? |
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| 20:24.41 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: Carefully. |
| 20:24.54 | concept10 | abrotman, the name of a business doesnt have anything to do with standards |
| 20:25.05 | abrotman | concept10: right .. like Microsoft |
| 20:25.19 | ricky_clarkson | Small and soft. How is that good? |
| 20:25.43 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: its a good ting in girlfriends |
| 20:25.44 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: depends what you're talking about |
| 20:25.47 | concept10 | abrotman, ethics maybe - standards, not. quality of product? Yes. |
| 20:25.55 | hackeron | hmm, whatever happened to watch files? - http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/no_upstream.html < this looked so promising a few years back :( |
| 20:25.57 | abrotman | concept10: ok .. you keep dreaming |
| 20:26.05 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: hard and large is (generally)0 a bad thing in gf's |
| 20:26.06 | abrotman | quiet: find it yet? |
| 20:26.13 | abrotman | robin_sz: or livers |
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| 20:26.28 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: The gfs disagree. |
| 20:26.33 | quiet | nope :\ i don't see anything being a major hog... |
| 20:26.39 | abrotman | robin_sz: that wins as the oddest/neatest tool i've seen in a while |
| 20:26.45 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: are they hard and large? |
| 20:26.49 | abrotman | quiet: what are you checking with ? |
| 20:27.00 | robin_sz | abrotman: I agree, its damn cute |
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| 20:27.07 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: I don't feel like being crude in the channel. Think over it. |
| 20:27.09 | quiet | i'm running ethereal on one machine and jnettop on another |
| 20:27.17 | ricky_clarkson | I said *think*, you... |
| 20:27.18 | robin_sz | ahh, 'k |
| 20:27.20 | concept10 | abrotman, Tell me this: What does the name Fry's have to do with anything related to any standard? (or purchasing decision) |
| 20:27.22 | greycat | that's ok, we'll be crude for you. |
| 20:27.26 | abrotman | quiet: could it be something outside the firewall |
| 20:27.32 | ricky_clarkson | !roger greycat |
| 20:27.32 | badgers | Bend over, greycat and take it like a man! |
| 20:27.36 | abrotman | concept10: is this like shopping at Dollar Store ? |
| 20:27.43 | ricky_clarkson | !roger moore |
| 20:27.43 | badgers | Bend over, moore and take it like a man! |
| 20:27.44 | quiet | if it's outside the firewall.. it's no on our network.. |
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| 20:29.52 | abrotman | quiet: you have nothing outside that firewall ? |
| 20:30.19 | quiet | no.. the firewall is between us and our ISP... |
| 20:30.26 | quiet | everything else is on the internal network |
| 20:30.32 | FollowMe | Is the firewall itself running Windows, perhaps? ;-) |
| 20:30.38 | quiet | Cisco PIX |
| 20:30.46 | abrotman | then how are you running jnettop ? |
| 20:30.57 | abrotman | and doesn't that pix have some reporting crap ? |
| 20:31.02 | quiet | from a notebook inside the network.. |
| 20:31.08 | quiet | not that i know of.. |
| 20:31.16 | abrotman | crappy firewall :) |
| 20:31.17 | quiet | i don't run the pix |
| 20:31.21 | quiet | indeed |
| 20:31.24 | abrotman | so ask the guy that does |
| 20:31.28 | quiet | if i could, i would replace it with a smoothwall |
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| 20:32.38 | FollowMe | quiet: I you ran the PIX, you might use NetFlow to see what's going through it. |
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| 20:33.24 | quiet | wow.. i'm getting flooded with things like: 'computer.domain.local' <-> 192.200.0.255 |
| 20:33.36 | quiet | where computer.domain.local is various PC names on the networ |
| 20:33.44 | quiet | but what does that mean? |
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| 20:33.48 | FollowMe | NetBIOS? |
| 20:33.52 | quiet | maybe |
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| 20:33.57 | FieldySnuts | means you're on a lame windows network, or badgered samba |
| 20:34.07 | quiet | lame windows indeed |
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| 20:38.06 | abrotman | quiet: i'd be asking the firewall admin |
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| 20:39.21 | Vilim | On an completely unrelated note, does anyone know if it is a long weekend currently in the united states? |
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| 20:39.51 | pipeline | Vilim: I don't know of any interesting holidays today. |
| 20:39.52 | yanqi | ça pète |
| 20:40.05 | pipeline | Vilim: Obviously, it varies state to state, county to county, city to city, agency to agency.... |
| 20:40.17 | Vilim | in which case it is probably not, thanks :) |
| 20:40.32 | abrotman | Vilim: no |
| 20:40.37 | Vilim | it is a long weekend in Canada, and I am attempting to calculate when an order shipped from the states will arive |
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| 20:40.57 | abrotman | Vilim: wait .. today is Aug 1st ... |
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| 20:41.27 | yanqi | i've been looking for {codecs,divx} with apt-cache search under sarge, but it seems that there's no package like that. do i need to install them manually ? |
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| 20:41.44 | abrotman | !tell yanqi about marillat |
| 20:41.45 | ReleaseX | I have a laptop with a dell truemobile 1150 wlan mini pci card it uses orinoco_cs, and works on installing, but scanning does not seem to work, is this common, or rather how can i get it to scan |
| 20:42.17 | Vilim | yeah, august long weekend in Canada :D not only do I get to stay home from work, I get paid for it :D |
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| 20:42.53 | agent0range | anyone know why modprobe is spiting out --> QM MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 20:43.30 | abrotman | 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 20:43.35 | agent0range | yeah |
| 20:43.50 | jvh | I have a Acer laptop with a Ati x700 gfx, is all hope lost for me to get some distro working with X ? |
| 20:43.59 | abrotman | !ati |
| 20:44.00 | badgers | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. ... |
| 20:44.07 | abrotman | agent0range: did oyu install module-init-tools ? |
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| 20:44.27 | agent0range | abrotman no but im guessing i should |
| 20:44.33 | agent0range | this is my first debian install |
| 20:44.35 | Nebulous | how do I search for a package containing a progrma file? |
| 20:44.43 | Nebulous | program. damn dyslexia. |
| 20:45.01 | Nebulous | looking for one called kinit |
| 20:45.06 | nkuttler | nemo: /msg badgers searching |
| 20:45.09 | nkuttler | oops |
| 20:45.15 | nkuttler | Nebulous: /msg badgers searching |
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| 20:45.31 | jvh | been there... done that. I tryed like 9-10 different distros and no X with any of them |
| 20:45.33 | nkuttler | no, that's wrong |
| 20:45.42 | Nebulous | so, your suggestion is to use google? hehe |
| 20:45.45 | agent0range | abrotman is there anyway to load my net module other than modprobe |
| 20:45.48 | abrotman | agent0range: did you compile your own 2.6 kernel ? |
| 20:45.58 | agent0range | abrotman yeah i did |
| 20:46.04 | abrotman | agent0range: big mistake :) |
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| 20:46.08 | abrotman | agent0range: why did you compile your own? |
| 20:46.11 | glasse | Nebulous: If it's installed already, try dpkg --search |
| 20:46.12 | pepidsn | hi |
| 20:46.12 | agent0range | its got loadable module support |
| 20:46.19 | abrotman | ok .. not a big mistake .. big newbie mistake :) |
| 20:46.22 | nkuttler | Nebulous: /msg apt search |
| 20:46.28 | abrotman | agent0range: doesn't amtter .. why did you compile your own? |
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| 20:46.42 | abrotman | jvh: ask #ati for a recommendation |
| 20:46.46 | agent0range | abrotman cause i like to :P |
| 20:46.51 | abrotman | agent0range: but you're not good at it :) |
| 20:46.56 | pepidsn | do anyone know who is the owner of dpkg or if the bot can be downloaded somewhere to be used in other channels |
| 20:47.01 | Nebulous | thta works |
| 20:47.08 | agent0range | abrotman why do u say that? |
| 20:47.09 | pipeline | pepidsn: I think dpkg is just a blootbot |
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| 20:47.16 | abrotman | pepidsn: dpkg is dead currently |
| 20:47.22 | abrotman | !blootbot |
| 20:47.23 | badgers | extra, extra, read all about it, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're ... |
| 20:47.41 | abrotman | agent0range: because it didn't work :) |
| 20:47.43 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:47.43 | jvh | thank you abrotman |
| 20:47.43 | badgers | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:47.53 | pepidsn | Thanks both :) |
| 20:47.54 | abrotman | agent0range: what kind of CPU do you have ? |
| 20:47.54 | Nebulous | i don't like badgers |
| 20:48.04 | agent0range | abrotman i did a deboostrap and got the base-install |
| 20:48.09 | abrotman | agent0range: what kind of CPU do you have ? |
| 20:48.18 | agent0range | mmx 386 |
| 20:48.21 | abrotman | no |
| 20:48.26 | agent0range | pentium |
| 20:48.27 | abrotman | 386 don't have mmx |
| 20:48.50 | abrotman | agent0range: which pentium ? |
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| 20:49.57 | abrotman | agent0range: ? |
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| 20:50.11 | agent0range | it gave meme this error before i complied the kernel |
| 20:50.32 | abrotman | agent0range: what kind of CPU do you have ? |
| 20:50.33 | agent0range | why do u think its a kernel problem ... im trying to load a module |
| 20:50.36 | abrotman | agent0range: what kind of CPU do you have ? |
| 20:50.42 | abrotman | agent0range: god damn it .. i'm trying to help you .. |
| 20:50.47 | deepz | the serevrs defined in snort.conf eg: SMTP_SERVERS .SQL_SEREVRS etc |
| 20:50.51 | agent0range | pentium mmx |
| 20:50.57 | deepz | are they standard or can i define them |
| 20:50.59 | abrotman | agent0range: a 586? .. 686? ? |
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| 20:51.25 | agent0range | its a 386? |
| 20:51.31 | abrotman | no .. 386 doesn't have MMX |
| 20:51.45 | abrotman | what is the Speed of the CPU? .. it will tell you when you turn the computer on |
| 20:51.58 | cddesjar | i am trying to install the mozilla-mplayer plugin and i can't seem to get it to work |
| 20:52.01 | occy | hey gang, I have booted up to single user mode: linux single and when I press enter, it waits 10 seconds and then returns back to asking for the login screen. |
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| 20:52.27 | abrotman | agent0range: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 ... after that installs .. then try to compile your kernel again |
| 20:52.34 | occy | as a side note... heh. I think this box was comprimised with an xml-rpc exploit. (I TOLD them to upgrade... but they didn't want listen) |
| 20:52.55 | occy | got a clean copy I was going to wget onto the box... but, I can't even login to it. |
| 20:52.56 | abrotman | agent0range: that will get all the stuff you need to run a 2.6 on a debian machine .. and if you can tell me the ACTUAL SPEED of your CPU .. i might be able to give you a better kernel to try |
| 20:53.06 | deepz | the serevrs defined in snort.conf eg: SMTP_SERVERS .SQL_SEREVRS etc |
| 20:53.07 | znx | Shadowcat: :p |
| 20:53.18 | deepz | can idefine my own servers |
| 20:53.27 | agent0range | abrotman its 233MHZ |
| 20:53.54 | abrotman | agent0range: it's a PII ? |
| 20:54.04 | abrotman | deepz: try #snort ? |
| 20:54.14 | agent0range | abrotman i dont think so |
| 20:54.42 | abrotman | agent0range: it's either PII or PPro |
| 20:54.47 | abrotman | or AMD |
| 20:55.03 | agent0range | its not an amd so its prolly a ppro |
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| 20:55.14 | deepz | yes tryin |
| 20:55.26 | abrotman | agent0range: install the -386 .. then try to compile your own .. |
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| 20:55.29 | sussudio | there's 233Mhz P1's |
| 20:55.37 | abrotman | as a side note .. why would you compile your own kernel if you don't even know the CPU ? |
| 20:55.43 | abrotman | sussudio: yeah .. rare though |
| 20:55.59 | sussudio | abrotman: nope, very common. they even made some 266 versions. |
| 20:56.06 | agent0range | i was pretty sure it was just an mmx |
| 20:56.16 | tarzeau | yeah pick the precompiled one, http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 20:56.19 | abrotman | sussudio: compared to a PI 200 or 166 .. or PII 233-266 .. rare :) |
| 20:56.29 | tarzeau | i386 will work on all (with or without mmx) |
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| 20:56.37 | sussudio | abrotman: there's TONS for sale. |
| 20:56.40 | abrotman | agent0range: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 20:56.45 | miz | Is there a way to limit traffic from the pc to a specific ip, or for the worst case limit the whole network card? |
| 20:56.45 | Nebulous | do I need the ppp* stuff if I'm only running ethernet? |
| 20:56.49 | abrotman | sussudio: i just said rare compared to the otheres |
| 20:56.50 | tarzeau | Nebulous: no |
| 20:57.07 | sussudio | abrotman: nope. there's probably more 233's than 200's. |
| 20:57.13 | abrotman | sussudio: let's bet! |
| 20:57.18 | Nebulous | okay, just checking. it wouldn't be the first time i killed a debian setup by removing something that I thought I didn't need |
| 20:57.18 | vollmer | Looking for some help with Yada, getting an error that says the Package or Source field isn't defined, but it's right there in my packages file, after google and rtfm'in the readme I'm at a loss anyone? |
| 20:57.37 | abrotman | sussudio: if i win .. you have to rename Piggy to .. Tinkerbell :) |
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| 20:58.47 | abrotman | sussudio: admittedly .. i have NO idea where to find that info |
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| 20:59.36 | sussudio | P200's are like the DX2-50... everyone went for the 233/DX2-66 |
| 20:59.45 | Dazgard | hi |
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| 20:59.57 | Dazgard | what about kde in unstable ? |
| 21:00.03 | abrotman | sussudio: i had a DX2/66 |
| 21:00.07 | abrotman | Dazgard: what about it ? |
| 21:00.13 | Dazgard | i would like ti install rosegarden4 :D |
| 21:00.14 | tarzeau | Dazgard: you want the experimental one |
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| 21:00.27 | Dazgard | abrotman: yes |
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| 21:00.57 | abrotman | yes? |
| 21:01.05 | agent0range | abrotman is that just the kernel image? |
| 21:01.11 | Dazgard | tarzeau: experimetal ? |
| 21:01.12 | abrotman | sussudio: you know you really wanted a dx4/100 or 133 |
| 21:01.12 | Dazgard | :s |
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| 21:01.15 | abrotman | agent0range: yes .. |
| 21:01.24 | abrotman | agent0range: but it will get the stuf you need to run a 2.6 kernel on debian |
| 21:01.33 | covux | which command deletes a package and all its dependences? |
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| 21:01.37 | pipeline | sussudio: PPro 200s are fairly common :P |
| 21:01.47 | abrotman | pipeline: i ahve 2 here .. in one machine :) |
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| 21:01.56 | agent0range | abrotman u mean it will get all the other binaries |
| 21:01.58 | tarzeau | covux: yuck, you don't want to do that |
| 21:02.03 | tarzeau | covux: but check deborphan |
| 21:02.08 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, does it have the early, broken chipset? |
| 21:02.10 | abrotman | agent0range: i mean you should install that .. then try to compile your own kernel if you still want to |
| 21:02.19 | abrotman | pipeline: uhm .. it's a big honkin Dell .. nfc |
| 21:02.20 | covux | tarzeau: thanks |
| 21:02.26 | abrotman | pipeline: you tell me how to check .. and i will |
| 21:02.40 | sussudio | pipeline: i'm not talking about ppro. i'm talking about P1. |
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| 21:02.51 | abrotman | pipeline: one of the PSUs blew last year .. 500W .. the replacement waas either 500W or a 725W :) |
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| 21:04.14 | fuhr | Which unstable mirrors I must use? |
| 21:04.18 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 21:04.21 | sussudio | nein. |
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| 21:04.24 | abrotman | fuhr: pick one |
| 21:04.25 | tarzeau | fuhr: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
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| 21:04.45 | concept10 | off topic: Is it possible to run GNOME on Darwin? |
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| 21:04.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: jeez |
| 21:05.00 | vollmer | has anyone in here even used yada before, and if so ya'll have the time to help a poor wanna-be package builder? |
| 21:05.03 | hruske | how can postgresql die with a message FATAL: XX000: failed to initialize lc_messages to "" |
| 21:05.03 | hruske | LOCATION: InitializeGUCOptions, guc.c:1867 |
| 21:05.04 | abrotman | concept10: #opendarwin |
| 21:05.14 | tarzeau | concept10: that's so masochist |
| 21:05.35 | abrotman | that's liek trying to run gnustep ... |
| 21:05.38 | abrotman | freaks .. all of 'em |
| 21:05.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: come on, gnustep is at least consistent. unlike the fucked up file selectors in all gnomes |
| 21:05.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: masochistic ? |
| 21:06.05 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, if you had the broken chipset, you would know. The first few Intel MP chipsets for PPro had "issues" with PCI bandwidth. Couldn't saturate a 100 mbit link. |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: they're consistent .. if they use gtk2 .. |
| 21:06.18 | concept10 | tarzeau, why is that? |
| 21:06.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's so brainfuckingdead |
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| 21:06.26 | fuhr | hmmm, thanks! |
| 21:06.27 | abrotman | pipeline: saturate where .. the partial T1 we have ? |
| 21:06.33 | abrotman | pipeline: it's a webserver |
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| 21:07.29 | sean_micken|wtf | is there a way to create a block device that is associated with a directory on the system? |
| 21:07.32 | pipeline | abrotman: I mean, the total system bandwidth was too little to sustain a single NIC. That goes for everything that hangs off the southbridge -- disks, NICs, coprocessors... |
| 21:07.35 | sean_micken|wtf | like an emulated partition. |
| 21:07.48 | pipeline | sean_micken|wtf: Sure. The loopback device. |
| 21:08.01 | abrotman | pipeline: oh .. i don't think it has that problem :) |
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| 21:08.03 | sean_micken|wtf | pipeline: hmm.. not sure how i'd go about doing that? |
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| 21:08.06 | Manoj_ | grr. so, if upgrading to Sid poroceeds to remove aptitude, and it refuses to reinstall since libpat-pkg-li;bc6.3 is uninstallable, where does one go from there? |
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| 21:08.14 | Nebulous | hmm, my kerberos isn't binding to a port :( |
| 21:08.18 | pipeline | sean_micken: losetup. Or is it loconfig? One of the two. |
| 21:08.22 | abrotman | Manoj_: use .. apt-get ? |
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| 21:08.27 | deadcat | whaht do i need for incoming mail server and outgoing mail server in order to setup a yahoo.com email address with evo or thunderbird? |
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| 21:08.46 | abrotman | deadcat: check the docs at yahoo.com ? |
| 21:08.48 | Manoj_ | abrotman, which is an inferior interface. How does one get aptitude back? |
| 21:08.51 | pipeline | deadcat: You'll have to consult yahoo. I don't think they'll allow you to do that. |
| 21:09.10 | Nebulous | apt-get install aptitude ? |
| 21:09.18 | agent0range | abrotman i just needed the module-init-tools .. thanx |
| 21:09.19 | covux | tarzeau: is there a similar tool like deborphan which checks if all or which files on harddisk are part of packages? |
| 21:09.25 | abrotman | Manoj_: wait? .. it is sid/unstable .. i know you don't want to hear that .. but .. |
| 21:09.31 | abrotman | agent0range: i KNOW! |
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| 21:09.37 | abrotman | agent0range: i told you that .. like an hour ago |
| 21:09.38 | tarzeau | covux: what do you really want to do? |
| 21:09.51 | abrotman | agent0range: but i figured if you installed the kernel .. you'd get a working config to start from |
| 21:09.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh :) |
| 21:09.53 | abrotman | !tell agent0range about kp |
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| 21:10.11 | stew | deadcat: they should have given you instructions with your receipt when you paid for pop access |
| 21:10.14 | covux | tarzeau: clean up my debian. delete packages/files/whatever i dont need to save diskspace... |
| 21:10.14 | tarzeau | no way apt-get is inferior to aptitude |
| 21:10.16 | Manoj_ | abauer, yeah, I was afraid of that. But they, I knew whaty it was when I signed up to use Sid |
| 21:10.28 | abrotman | deadcat: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/pop/pop-02.html |
| 21:10.39 | abrotman | Manoj_: aren't you the voting guy? |
| 21:10.39 | agent0range | abrotman my config is fine it is an mmx all i wanted was to load my modules |
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| 21:10.46 | tarzeau | covux: debian is already clean, you can make sure with vrms though |
| 21:10.49 | Manoj_ | tarzeau, not what the Sarge release notes say |
| 21:10.53 | abrotman | agent0range: yes .. you need module-init-tools .. and i did tell you that |
| 21:10.54 | stew | deadcat: btw you can get pop access for free with yahoo.fr accounts |
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| 21:11.02 | covux | tarzeau: k. thanks |
| 21:11.03 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: Manoj is the secretary. Voting is only part of his duties. |
| 21:11.08 | agent0range | abrotman i heard u too ... and im saying thanx |
| 21:11.09 | Manoj_ | abauer, hush. I am here incognito |
| 21:11.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you're alive .. more than i can say about dpkg :) |
| 21:11.21 | abrotman | Manoj_: right .. because you hide it so well :) |
| 21:11.23 | Manoj_ | I mean abrotman |
| 21:11.26 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 21:11.26 | dpkg | Since Mon Aug 1 21:09:44 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 1m 38s this session, and currently reference 25865 factoids. I'm using about 13760 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4.13/0.13 child 4.81/0.49 |
| 21:11.26 | badgers | Since Mon Aug 1 20:01:38 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 19 questions, 4 dunnos, 0 morons and 8 commands. I have been awake for 1h 9m 45s this session, and currently reference 24863 factoids. I'm using about 15072 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 14.22/0.57 child 2.68/0.1 |
| 21:11.29 | abrotman | poor abauer |
| 21:11.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you were saying? |
| 21:11.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he came back! |
| 21:11.39 | abrotman | badgers: go away |
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| 21:11.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he died a threaded death again ? |
| 21:12.12 | abrotman | Manoj_: abauer gets that a lot .. i know to watch for it :) |
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| 21:12.23 | abrotman | Manoj_: is there a bts entry for it ? |
| 21:12.30 | eXistenZ | I got problem here with X environment, can anyone help me with it? |
| 21:12.38 | tarzeau | eXistenZ: be more verbose |
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| 21:12.52 | abrotman | agent0range: sorry about being a poopiehead .. it's usually easier to just have people install a packaged kernel to start |
| 21:13.21 | braniff | how do i change my timezone in debian ?? |
| 21:13.26 | Manoj_ | abrotman, well, no. There is no real package that is buggy -- just a matter of timing. you were correct in telling me to just wait util it gets untangled |
| 21:13.27 | dondelelcaro | braniff: tzconfig or set TZ |
| 21:13.32 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah; I have to track that one down at some point. |
| 21:13.42 | eXistenZ | tarzeau: in what directory inside the var can I check it? |
| 21:13.49 | braniff | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 21:13.54 | eXistenZ | I'm in windows right now |
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| 21:14.07 | abrotman | Manoj_: actally .. i think i see two that are related |
| 21:14.15 | tarzeau | eXistenZ: maybe you tell us x client, x server? both? xfree or xorg? sid, stable? |
| 21:14.16 | abrotman | Manoj_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316072 |
| 21:14.33 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 316072 |
| 21:14.34 | abrotman | Manoj_: check the "Resolved" section for bugs.debian.org/aptitude |
| 21:14.36 | dpkg | #316072:N[aptitude] [aptitude] Cannot install package in SID Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:33:04 UTC |
| 21:14.38 | badgers | #316072:N[aptitude] [aptitude] Cannot install package in SID Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:33:04 UTC |
| 21:14.45 | abrotman | badgers: who owns you |
| 21:14.45 | badgers | sussudio owns me |
| 21:15.01 | abrotman | Manoj_: there are quite a few of them .. but all resolved |
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| 21:15.44 | britt | can anybody tell me which module to install to get php4 to work with apache2? I tried libapache2-mod-php4, but all I get from my browser is a blank screen |
| 21:16.00 | abrotman | britt: libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 21:16.05 | dondelelcaro | britt: that's the module; you may not have it loading for some reason. |
| 21:16.17 | abrotman | britt: you may have to enable it .. and restart apache ... |
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| 21:16.36 | eXistenZ | tarzeau: I think xfree |
| 21:16.38 | tarzeau | !.pe |
| 21:16.51 | abrotman | !pe |
| 21:16.51 | dpkg | !!!!!!!!!!!lleH .... llA ..... sA ..... gnitatirrI .....s'tI !!!!!!!!!!!noitautcnuP !!!!!hcuM !!!!!oS !!!!gnisU !!!potS |
| 21:16.51 | badgers | !!!!!!!!!!!lleH .... llA ..... sA ..... gnitatirrI .....s'tI !!!!!!!!!!!noitautcnuP !!!!!hcuM !!!!!oS !!!!gnisU !!!potS |
| 21:16.54 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:17.00 | darxeth | hmm |
| 21:17.03 | britt | abrotman: where would I go to enable it? I remember something like that, but i last installed debian while back |
| 21:17.17 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: forget pe |
| 21:17.17 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: i forgot pe |
| 21:17.26 | abrotman | britt: hrm .. /etc/apache2/modules-available .. and look in modules-enabled or something like that ... |
| 21:17.30 | darxeth | i heard someone talkin knoppix had a new name, does anyone know anything about it? |
| 21:17.35 | britt | TerminX: hey whats up? |
| 21:17.39 | tarzeau | darxeth: #knoppix |
| 21:17.39 | dondelelcaro | darxeth: try #knoppix |
| 21:17.58 | abrotman | britt: mods-enabled or mods-available .. there shuld be a link from -enabled to -available |
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| 21:18.15 | abrotman | britt: ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 21:18.32 | abrotman | britt: if you don't see two entries for php4 .. that could be why .. secondly .. make sure you restart apache |
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| 21:18.59 | abrotman | Manoj_: did you find it ? |
| 21:19.27 | ilan | hey, anyone know the default user for postgres8 on debian? |
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| 21:20.02 | abrotman | postgres .. usually |
| 21:20.02 | britt | abrotman: both php4 modules are enabled |
| 21:20.10 | abrotman | britt: and you restarted apache? |
| 21:20.18 | britt | abrotman: yup. still nothing. |
| 21:20.28 | abrotman | britt: try a simple page like <? phpinfo(); ?> .. and see if that works |
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| 21:21.14 | britt | abrotman: uhoh. i think i figured it out. |
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| 21:21.41 | nebbit | Anyone here have any info on DSL linux distro? |
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| 21:22.43 | abrotman | britt: uhoh ? |
| 21:22.46 | ticker | Hello, anyone running ntop 3.1 on sarge? |
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| 21:22.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell ticker -about ask |
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| 21:23.02 | stew | nebbit: they have a channel at #damnsmalllinux iirc |
| 21:23.05 | dondelelcaro | nebbit: we only have information about Debian here; try distrowatch or something. |
| 21:23.06 | britt | abrotman: i was trying to run phpbb, and i forgot about the mysql stuff. |
| 21:23.12 | Nono | Hi guys. I've been trying to find out the command line using make-kpkg that the kernel package maintainers are using. Any ideas? Thanks for your participation. ;) |
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| 21:23.22 | britt | abrotman: i'm making the phpinfo page |
| 21:23.47 | loohntatzu | hey guys: have a usb stick problem. does not mount. dmesg sais: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x66f/0x8000) is not claimed by any active driver |
| 21:23.56 | loohntatzu | what should i do |
| 21:24.07 | nebbit | dsl linux is a derivative of Debian. |
| 21:24.09 | nebbit | how easy is Debian to install to an older laptop? |
| 21:24.10 | ticker | The issue I have running ntop 3.1 on Sarge is that ntop complains with this error: **ERROR** pcap_findalldevs() call failed [getifaddrs: Connection refused] |
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| 21:24.16 | Nazxul | nebbit: But it's not Debian. |
| 21:24.22 | chipdalf | good evening... |
| 21:24.24 | ticker | i'm running ntop as root FYI |
| 21:24.26 | Nazxul | Based on Debian, but it isn't Debian. |
| 21:24.37 | stew | nebbit: debian is pretty easy to install these days |
| 21:24.41 | Yevgeniy | yay!! |
| 21:24.41 | fatal__ | !based on debian |
| 21:24.41 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 21:24.42 | badgers | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 21:24.44 | Yevgeniy | it prints!!! |
| 21:25.01 | stew | nebbit: especially easy on older hardware |
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| 21:25.04 | eXistenZ | can anyone tell me please where I can find the logs for xfree86 ? |
| 21:25.07 | gnd | Hi. I see this error at the end of dmesg: EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock |
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| 21:25.12 | gnd | what do I do? |
| 21:25.14 | stew | eXistenZ: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 21:25.51 | chipdalf | can anybody tell me what gconfd it dooing? i cannot find something realy useful... |
| 21:25.53 | nebbit | OK Knoppix is not Debian. |
| 21:25.55 | nebbit | Is there any good install guides to install on older laptops? |
| 21:26.08 | stew | nebbit: /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:26.22 | saman | gnd: do a fsck.ext3 check |
| 21:26.26 | eXistenZ | where can I upload my xfree86 log so someone can help me out |
| 21:26.48 | nkuttler | eXistenZ: grep it for (EE) |
| 21:26.53 | TwistedEmotions | http://www.davesdaily.com/out.php?id=8053&url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20050730-08555400-bc-us-skillet.xml |
| 21:27.01 | TwistedEmotions | ^^ hahaa read it.. fucked up. |
| 21:27.03 | drac | eXistenZ: pastebin.com |
| 21:27.04 | chipdalf | eXistenZ: i think this would be here... #flood |
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| 21:27.18 | saman | #flood |
| 21:28.20 | chipdalf | does anybody have a idea what gconfd does? |
| 21:28.52 | saman | chipdalf: Gnome Configuration daemon or something |
| 21:28.59 | gnd | saman: fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hda1. Could this be a zero-length partition? |
| 21:29.04 | hexxeh | serves gconf data |
| 21:29.25 | eXistenZ | ok, I uploaded it. Can anyone now help me with the following details in this page: http://pastebin.com/327100 ? |
| 21:29.39 | chipdalf | saman, hexxeh: i am running kde, so i does not need it? |
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| 21:29.58 | eXistenZ | I got ATI 9200 btw. |
| 21:30.00 | hexxeh | chipdalf, do you run any apps which use gconf to store their config? |
| 21:30.32 | chipdalf | hexxeh: i do not think so... but i am not shure about that... |
| 21:30.47 | TwistedEmotions | eXistenZ: something is fuckered up with the xconfig for your video card.. |
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| 21:30.55 | saman | gnd: is /dev/hda1 your root partition? |
| 21:31.03 | chipdalf | hexxeh: is there a possibility to check that? |
| 21:31.04 | gnd | saman: no |
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| 21:31.20 | farphadet | hello all |
| 21:31.38 | farphadet | sorry for my bad english, i'm a young french |
| 21:31.51 | hexxeh | chipdalf, you could try removing the gconf packages & see if your life becomes a pain |
| 21:32.13 | chipdalf | hello farphadet, until now yours is better than mine... *g* |
| 21:32.14 | eXistenZ | TwistedEmotions: I didn't configure it, I think it was included in my Sarge installation as I chose the option for desktop environment |
| 21:32.17 | drac | eXistenZ: I believe that is known problem with some 9200/9250 cards and XFree86, and some ChipIDs they have. Detection problem. |
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| 21:32.22 | boogie | that's ok; I doubt that many of us would even attempt french, farphadet. |
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| 21:32.43 | marcin | hi all |
| 21:32.48 | saman | gnd: do a `fsck.ext3 -p -d /dev/hda1` |
| 21:33.02 | chipdalf | hexxeh: okay... that was my idea... but i wanted to test it an other way... *g* |
| 21:33.07 | hexxeh | eXistenZ, if drac is correct, and he probably is, you'd need to use xorg (from sid) |
| 21:33.11 | drac | eXistenZ: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon#head-465a5bcb4ff2a8459736c469bfac6c242de7f3c1 |
| 21:33.17 | nkuttler | what's funny is that many french look down on people who can't speak french really good. |
| 21:33.27 | marcin | I got a question - could someone tell me howto create deb package with sources checked out from cvs? |
| 21:33.37 | TwistedEmotions | Did anyone read the link I posted? |
| 21:33.45 | hexxeh | ooh, manual chip detection overrides. clever |
| 21:33.48 | marcin | I don't have *.tar.gz with sources - just cvs checkout |
| 21:33.49 | spundun | hi all... question... what packages do I need to install to be able compile a kernel module for kernel 2.6.11-1-mckinley ? |
| 21:33.49 | drac | eXistenZ: It says there, you need to add: ChipID 0x5964 or ChipID 0x5961, in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, below line: driver "ati" |
| 21:33.52 | boogie | !tell farphadet about fr |
| 21:33.54 | chipdalf | nkuttler: who wants to speak french? *g* |
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| 21:34.19 | Rienzilla | christ this channel is huge :) |
| 21:34.24 | gnd | saman: I get the same error |
| 21:34.24 | drac | eXistenZ: or like hexxeh said, you could use X.org -- it doesn't suffer same problem. |
| 21:34.38 | tarzeau | Rienzilla: you haven't been here on a weekend |
| 21:34.39 | hexxeh | or there's fglrx, but that may be more trouble than it';s worth |
| 21:34.42 | Vilim | j |
| 21:34.48 | Rienzilla | tarzeau: correct :) |
| 21:34.54 | TwistedEmotions | Rienzilla: christ is here too.. |
| 21:34.55 | Vilim | oops, ignore me |
| 21:34.59 | chipdalf | Rienzilla: what i thought when i joined... *g* |
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| 21:35.14 | saman | gnd: sorry, don't have any advise ... a search on google may give u something |
| 21:35.30 | nkuttler | marcin: you may want to get the maint-guide package |
| 21:35.54 | Rienzilla | hey... I have a question. Could anyone explain to me what an apt-get dist-upgrade does exactly? According to the manpage it 'intelligently solves changing dependencies' but I wonder how exactly that is accomplished |
| 21:36.12 | marcin | nkuttler: with maintainer quide docs? |
| 21:36.16 | tarzeau | greycat ... gone |
| 21:36.24 | hexxeh | Rienzilla, voodoo. it asks the debian servers to sacrifice a goat, and uses the entrails to give back useful data |
| 21:36.35 | Rienzilla | cool |
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| 21:36.38 | nkuttler | marcin: ? |
| 21:36.41 | TwistedEmotions | hexxeh: no.. that's windows update. |
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| 21:36.46 | tarzeau | asg: so you wouldn't mind ubuntu documentation team copying debian-faq-wiki stuff they can use? |
| 21:36.47 | satch5150 | hi all - is it possible to combine both debian 3.1 dvd iso's onto 1 iso for burning onto a dvd+r dl ? If so, is it just a simple matter of copying the stuff from iso 1 and iso 2 into the same directory or do some files need to be edited like with redhat/fedora ? |
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| 21:37.10 | marcin | nkuttler: why should I get maint-guide? |
| 21:37.18 | nkuttler | marcin: to read it? |
| 21:37.20 | Shadowcat | satch5150: you can assemble a dl dvdr using jigdo |
| 21:37.39 | htedrom | hey all....someone want to help me out with installing the ATI drivers? |
| 21:37.49 | satch5150 | Shadowcat - well, ok, but, I already have both isos downloaded :) |
| 21:37.52 | htedrom | can't get em working |
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| 21:38.03 | hexxeh | not really. it's a pain. just listen and obey what flavio stanchina's website says |
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| 21:38.08 | marcin | nkuttler: to read something like this: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide ? |
| 21:38.22 | saman | htedrom: error? |
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| 21:38.26 | satch5150 | Shadowcat: could jigdo be used in conjuction with the isos ? |
| 21:38.44 | satch5150 | or does it just have to download everything from scratch again ? |
| 21:38.44 | eXistenZ | drac: can you please re-paste the link, my internet was disconnected |
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| 21:39.04 | Shadowcat | !tell satch5150 about jigdo |
| 21:39.22 | htedrom | saman: yea, it's just not working for me |
| 21:39.22 | drac | eXistenZ: Said all 3 lines again, in private. |
| 21:39.34 | htedrom | saman: found some other people with my prob...think it has to do with the binary |
| 21:39.38 | saman | htedrom: What error is it showing! |
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| 21:39.57 | eXistenZ | thank you drac |
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| 21:40.28 | htedrom | saman: well sometimes the binary doesn't install right, but when it does, when i run fglrxinfo it sticks with the MESA drivers |
| 21:40.36 | farphadet | I wan't compile a new kernel on my debian, (no troll please) it is by morbid curiosity, i have my rootfs in ext3 but in kernel options I have choose ext3 in module. |
| 21:40.36 | farphadet | thus so that that functions it is necessary that I create a initrd, but in spite of a initrd I have a kernel panic. |
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| 21:40.44 | htedrom | saman: even after making a new xfconfig-4 |
| 21:40.45 | sussudio | !test |
| 21:40.46 | dpkg | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 21:41.08 | farphadet | someone can help to solve this problem |
| 21:41.28 | hexxeh | sigh. go on then, what's the problem |
| 21:41.32 | marcin | nkuttler: ok I got it and this package contains the same webpages that I can see online |
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| 21:41.41 | Rienzilla | maybe I'd better explain some background why I want to know this... I have a very thin (stripped) debian install which lives in only 64MB diskspace. Amongst other things, the install is somewhat crippled, because apt is removed (The apt database takes almost 25% of the available space) and has been replaced by a sort of proxy client which gets it information from another machine (which in turn runs the real apt)... This 'apt proxy client' is capable of i |
| 21:41.56 | marcin | nkuttler: but there is no word about packaging software checked out from cvs |
| 21:42.04 | chipdalf | hexxeh: okay... a little apt-get --purge remove gnome* did solve my problem... and it does not seem to get painfull... but we will see after a restart *g* |
| 21:42.06 | hexxeh | htedrom, what do you mean by "the binary". are you using flavio stanchina's debian packages or not? |
| 21:42.16 | saman | htedrom: I covert the ATI drivers from RPM, and they work fine - use that instead |
| 21:42.35 | marcin | nkuttler: so if you know something about it - then please give me a hint - don't send me to useless docs |
| 21:42.35 | htedrom | hexxeh: i tried both...when i tried alien'ing the rpm it didn't work |
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| 21:42.47 | hexxeh | for the love of god USE FLAVIO'S PACKAGES |
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| 21:42.53 | htedrom | saman: when i downloaded the custom made deb it worked |
| 21:43.40 | htedrom | i'm on kernel 2.4 btw |
| 21:43.51 | nkuttler | marcin: well what's different if you've got a cvs source? |
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| 21:44.28 | d | hi, im used mozplugger to try and get WMV to show, configed it right (i thought), now it just says FILE REMOVED or I don't get video (but in this instance, i do get sound) |
| 21:44.29 | htedrom | hexxeh: what's the url for flavio just to be sure i got the same pkg? |
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| 21:44.58 | hexxeh | htedrom, you have yet to actually state what you're doing, what the expected outcome is, and what the outcome you get is. what's so hard about giving the basic info needed to attempt to diagnose a problem? -_- |
| 21:45.01 | hexxeh | !ati drivers |
| 21:45.01 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 21:45.15 | KrazyP | i have an ide cdrw at /dev/hdc I am trying to burn something, but am not able too. I am trying to get cdrecord to notice it, and I am running 'cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI' and it doesn't find the cdrw. What do I gotta do to get this to work? |
| 21:45.32 | htedrom | hexxeh: what info am i missing? |
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| 21:45.43 | hexxeh | KrazyP, use dev=/dev/foo |
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| 21:45.56 | marcin | nkuttler: well following this guide I should run dh_make first, right? |
| 21:46.00 | htedrom | hexxeh: i installed the deb binary, made my xfconfig 2 different ways, neither worked |
| 21:46.15 | KrazyP | hexxeh: okay, so just 'cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=/dev/foo' ? nothing else special is needed eh? |
| 21:46.24 | htedrom | hexxeh: X crashes and i get kicked to the console |
| 21:46.24 | hexxeh | htedrom, all of it! for the love of god. architecture. debian version. kernel version. where your package came from & how. |
| 21:46.27 | marcin | nkuttler: dh_make -f <file> where file is my original source archive |
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| 21:46.48 | hexxeh | KrazyP, every time you use dev=/dev/idedevice, jorg schiilling cries. please, use it with impunity |
| 21:47.02 | marcin | nkuttler: while I don't have 'original source archive' - I just got directory with checked out files |
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| 21:47.14 | nkuttler | marcin: so? doesn't the cvs source have a make target to build one? |
| 21:47.15 | hexxeh | htedrom, oh look, a new detail. know what?? i cannot be bothered. get your facts into a coherent form that can be analysed, and maybe i can help |
| 21:47.15 | d | anyone know how to get WMV to show video? |
| 21:47.17 | KrazyP | hexxeh: heh okay. thanks. |
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| 21:47.30 | ulf__ | hi, i want to play a dvd but starting ogle, i get: libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd |
| 21:47.40 | nkuttler | marcin: if not i wonder how they distribute their project |
| 21:47.52 | ulf__ | but i can read a data dvd |
| 21:47.58 | htedrom | hexxeh: thanks :) |
| 21:47.58 | KrazyP | hexxeh: that didn't work :( |
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| 21:48.13 | KrazyP | hexxeh: get this msg cdrecord: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/hdc'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 21:48.34 | hexxeh | KrazyP, are you in the cdrom group? |
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| 21:48.56 | KrazyP | i'd hope, i'm logged on as root on that machine... |
| 21:49.16 | hexxeh | okay, try ATAPI:0,0,0 |
| 21:49.17 | spundun | hi all.. I am trying to write a module.. when I try to load it, I get three errors about unknown symbol iounmap ioremap etc. |
| 21:49.28 | KrazyP | hexxeh: so, think i could have found some of the problem... using a 2.4 kernel version... so ill upgrade to 2.6 and try again... |
| 21:49.39 | spundun | I get the same error while building it also... anyidea what am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:49.56 | KrazyP | hexxeh: thanks |
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| 21:50.17 | marcin | nkuttler: ehhhh |
| 21:50.47 | marcin | nkuttler: ok then an example - I check out something from cvs |
| 21:50.52 | marcin | nkuttler: let's say emacs |
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| 21:51.18 | nkuttler | marcin: vim rather please |
| 21:51.19 | ixion | error while loading shared libraries: libXtst.so.6 |
| 21:51.21 | ixion | any ideas? |
| 21:51.26 | d | anyone know how to get WMV to show video? |
| 21:51.27 | ixion | google not prooving to much help |
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| 21:51.31 | marcin | nkuttler: ok - vim |
| 21:51.51 | marcin | nkuttler: I check it out to ~/cvs/checkouts/20050801/vim |
| 21:51.57 | ixion | im trying to use the vmware gsx configuration script and getting that error |
| 21:52.12 | nkuttler | marcin: why are you telling me a story? |
| 21:52.20 | marcin | nkuttler: then I mkdir ~/debs/vim-[someversion] |
| 21:52.32 | d | actually, i cant get any multimedia to play |
| 21:52.33 | marcin | nkuttler: and I cd to this dir and run dh_make |
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| 21:53.02 | marcin | nkuttler: and with dh_make -f ~/cvs/checkouts/20050801/vim |
| 21:53.21 | marcin | nkuttler: I get "Source archive you specified was not found!" |
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| 21:54.05 | xgm | I endded up with two panels, according to the message at login Gnome. Cannot get rid of oone of 'em.Where I find it? |
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| 21:54.40 | zdennis | if i open a file read/write, does it use one or two file descriptors to manage the read/write functionality ? |
| 21:54.47 | zdennis | and does the same go for sockets? |
| 21:54.50 | hexxeh | d, install the w32codecs package from the marillat repository |
| 21:55.21 | cureless | anyone want to share their experiences/thougts on voip/sip phones for Linux? kphone, etc? |
| 21:55.51 | Fabio | I downloaded jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin. How can I install it on my system? |
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| 21:55.59 | cureless | Fabio: run it. |
| 21:56.04 | marcin | nkuttler: so my question is - again - what should I do to use these sources with dpkg? |
| 21:56.04 | epidemic | Hey, anyone use minicom? |
| 21:56.12 | Fabio | how can I run it? |
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| 21:56.22 | hexxeh | Fabio, don't listen to him |
| 21:56.27 | cureless | Fabio: ./jre..... (make sure it's executable) |
| 21:56.35 | cureless | Fabio: but dont' listen to me :-) |
| 21:56.36 | hexxeh | Fabio, install java-package, and run make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin |
| 21:56.40 | xgm | Fabio, just follow the instructions in Java's page |
| 21:56.49 | cureless | oh, yeah, you can do that too. |
| 21:56.51 | Fabio | thanks |
| 21:57.03 | cureless | hexxeh: do the make-jpkg better. |
| 21:57.14 | nkuttler | marcin: so? doesn't the cvs source have a make target to build an archive? |
| 21:57.27 | cureless | Fabio I meant... |
| 21:57.43 | marcin | nkuttler: yes there is a make target |
| 21:57.48 | hexxeh | Fabio, you may need java-package 0.25 for that version of the jre, get it from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/java-package |
| 21:58.07 | nkuttler | marcin: so _use_ it |
| 21:58.12 | floppyears | hi |
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| 21:58.41 | floppyears | can netselect work behind a router ? |
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| 21:59.15 | marcin | nkuttler: so I need to create all these 'debian specific' files from scratch? |
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| 22:00.45 | nkuttler | marcin: i can't help you |
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| 22:01.35 | Kitty-Kun | hi |
| 22:02.08 | Kitty-Kun | I need some help |
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| 22:02.45 | marcin | nkuttler: ehhhh you could just tell me to run dh_make without -f option |
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| 22:03.06 | marcin | nkuttler: sorry ;) |
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| 22:03.51 | ixion | is there a debian "way" to install madwifi ? |
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| 22:04.20 | stew | !install madwifi |
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| 22:04.25 | stew | hrm |
| 22:04.37 | ixion | lol |
| 22:05.12 | xgm | See you| |
| 22:05.15 | stew | !madwifi-install |
| 22:05.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, madwifi-install is to install madwifi drivers built against the Debian standard kernel builds for sarge/sid, add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 22:06.35 | meff | is sid, in it's current state, usable if one is knowledgeable about dpkg/apt? testing is getting too far behind for my tastes.. |
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| 22:07.18 | grendal_prime | hey whats the proper syntax for limiting login attempts on sshd? |
| 22:07.32 | grendal_prime | faild_attempts =10 |
| 22:07.36 | grendal_prime | somthing like that |
| 22:07.39 | ixion | thanks |
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| 22:07.42 | grendal_prime | man does not seem to explain it |
| 22:08.27 | ixion | is that " supposed to be there? after uname -r in that instruction |
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| 22:09.19 | Kitty-Kun | hey |
| 22:09.25 | Kitty-Kun | what video drivers should I use? |
| 22:09.42 | ixion | wtf |
| 22:09.46 | ixion | the correct ones |
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| 22:09.52 | meff | lol |
| 22:10.00 | rbochan | grendal_prime: man sshd_config and look at the MaxAuthTries setting |
| 22:10.04 | DoppelGanger | ah ah |
| 22:10.04 | stew | Kitty-Kun: what card? |
| 22:10.15 | TwistedEmotions | Kitty-Kun: your going to need to give us more info.. |
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| 22:10.36 | ofer0 | hey, i just installed debian and i have a problem |
| 22:10.42 | ixion | lmao |
| 22:10.44 | TwistedEmotions | ofer0: congratz. |
| 22:10.45 | DoppelGanger | TwistedEmotions: how about and answer like "um the card in my computer doh" |
| 22:10.49 | stew | grendal_prime: did you man sshd_config? |
| 22:10.50 | DoppelGanger | an* |
| 22:10.54 | rbochan | ofer0 : my cat Mittens likes milk |
| 22:11.03 | Kitty-Kun | ati |
| 22:11.06 | epidemic | ofer0: welcome to debian :D |
| 22:11.09 | Kitty-Kun | ati drivers hate me |
| 22:11.09 | DoppelGanger | ha ah |
| 22:11.10 | ixion | lol |
| 22:11.12 | TwistedEmotions | DoppelGanger: haha |
| 22:11.19 | DoppelGanger | we have a winner |
| 22:11.24 | Kitty-Kun | actually what i wanna know more is whether i should use kdm or gdm |
| 22:11.24 | DoppelGanger | hes got an ati card everyone |
| 22:11.28 | Kitty-Kun | b/c those hate me too |
| 22:11.30 | TwistedEmotions | Kitty-Kun: it's not only ati drivers that hate you.. |
| 22:11.35 | ofer0 | im t xchat-text because i can`t enter the graphical interface |
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| 22:11.48 | ofer0 | i installed with netinst |
| 22:11.59 | ofer0 | and installed gnome and x11 ofcourse |
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| 22:12.18 | TwistedEmotions | ofer0: whats the error you get when trying to start it? |
| 22:12.19 | DuskoDugousko | for all penguin fans - a must see! :) http://stuff.kralizec-hq.org/dusko/misc/penguinOnDrugs.mpeg |
| 22:12.22 | rbochan | !tell ofer0 about drxx |
| 22:12.32 | hexxeh | ofer0, there's no "x11" package. |
| 22:12.33 | ofer0 | i can`t find gdm, and when i type startx" it says he can`t find the binary "/usr/bin/X11/X" |
| 22:12.43 | hexxeh | ofer0, x-window-system. |
| 22:13.05 | Kitty-Kun | Oh i can't remember |
| 22:13.09 | ixion | "m-a a-i madwifi" - wtf does that do ? |
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| 22:13.10 | Kitty-Kun | i'll tell you in a while |
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| 22:13.15 | rbochan | ofer0: you don't have startx because you didn't install the xbase-clients package |
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| 22:13.23 | hexxeh | ixion, module-assistant auto-install madwifi. |
| 22:13.25 | Kitty-Kun | >.> |
| 22:13.31 | hexxeh | ofer0, x-window-system package. chop chop. |
| 22:13.34 | Kitty-Kun | hey |
| 22:13.45 | ofer0 | so what took thanx |
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| 22:13.47 | Kitty-Kun | would debian/kubuntu run well on a 900 mhz processor? |
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| 22:14.06 | ixion | nice |
| 22:14.14 | ixion | Kitty-Kun, yes... |
| 22:14.18 | ixion | it would run on a 133 |
| 22:14.22 | dli | kingsley, I ran debian for long on a 700 MHz PIII-Mobile |
| 22:14.23 | ixion | well, walk |
| 22:14.23 | DoppelGanger | dunno about kubuntu |
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| 22:14.28 | hexxeh | Kitty-Kun, depends on what you try to run |
| 22:14.37 | ofer0 | xbase-clients is already the newset version |
| 22:14.38 | ofer0 | =\ |
| 22:14.46 | hexxeh | ofer0, why won't you install x-window-system?# |
| 22:14.54 | ixion | <hexxeh> ofer0, x-window-system package. chop chop. |
| 22:14.57 | ixion | ^^ !! |
| 22:15.02 | ofer0 | becuase there is no package called "x-windows-system" |
| 22:15.06 | ixion | erm |
| 22:15.07 | DoppelGanger | hexxeh: he cannot comprehend text in a non gui setting |
| 22:15.07 | TwistedEmotions | Kitty-Kun: any gui would be *decently* slow on a 900... but not horrible. |
| 22:15.12 | hexxeh | no, there isn't. you can't type. |
| 22:15.15 | Kitty-Kun | K |
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| 22:15.27 | ixion | x-window-system - X Window System |
| 22:15.27 | dli | ofer0, maybe, you should run "tasksel" |
| 22:15.31 | ixion | the package exists |
| 22:15.34 | DoppelGanger | perhaps ascii |
| 22:15.43 | ixion | maybe his sources file is screwed |
| 22:15.50 | hexxeh | he's mistylingh |
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| 22:15.55 | hexxeh | ffs he keeps typing windows |
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| 22:16.00 | hexxeh | X-WINDOW-SYSTEM |
| 22:16.05 | hexxeh | for the FOURTH time |
| 22:16.06 | xenwryly | I've tried to read the sudoers man page several times, and I appear to be deficient and unable to grasp the syntax it tells me is simple. Can anyone tell me how I just allow one user to use sudo to run a command as root? |
| 22:16.18 | dli | hexxeh, stop, that's in capital |
| 22:16.23 | ofer0 | wait a minute, if i installed gnome and |
| 22:16.37 | hexxeh | !violent stupidity |
| 22:16.37 | dpkg | [violent stupidity] idiocy so strong, so overwhelmingly stupid, that it reaches out from your IRC client and punches you in the face |
| 22:16.40 | dli | ofer0: good idea, "apt-get install gnome" |
| 22:16.41 | ofer0 | i mean, i installed package called "gnome" and i think it should download x11 too, in order to run |
| 22:16.51 | ofer0 | it downloaded something like 300mb |
| 22:16.53 | hexxeh | ofer0, but gnome doesn't need xfree86 to run |
| 22:16.55 | cyberix | Can reporsitory entries in sources.list in some case point to asingle file instead of a directory? |
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| 22:16.58 | ixion | ofer0, do it the proper way ffs |
| 22:17.10 | ixion | apt-cache search x-window-system |
| 22:17.14 | ixion | do you get no results?? |
| 22:17.27 | ofer0 | nope |
| 22:17.29 | oKtosiTe_ | ofer0: just listen to what these guys are saying, they're right. |
| 22:17.29 | rbochan | ofer0: x-windows is not a pre-req for gnome, as other xservers exist |
| 22:17.29 | hexxeh | yes, he gets reuslts |
| 22:17.34 | hexxeh | he just refuses to sort his problem |
| 22:17.40 | grigora | what was the command to have a shell script print out all the commands as it executes them? |
| 22:17.41 | grendal_prime | stew |
| 22:17.41 | ixion | is your debian CD in the drive? |
| 22:17.42 | grendal_prime | doing that now |
| 22:17.59 | hexxeh | it's a basic display of the violently stupid: refuse to follow the one-command answer to a problem |
| 22:18.07 | nkuttler | grigora: set -x |
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| 22:18.09 | ofer0 | nope mixion, i chose to use other sources such as http and ftp, not the debian cd |
| 22:18.10 | grigora | nkuttler: thanks |
| 22:18.19 | ixion | ofer0, have you typed apt-get update ? |
| 22:18.24 | rbochan | hexxeh: but it's fun to play with on a moday evening ;p |
| 22:18.25 | ofer0 | no |
| 22:18.27 | ixion | althou apt-setup should do that tbh |
| 22:18.27 | ofer0 | ill type it now |
| 22:18.34 | ixion | look out for errors during update |
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| 22:19.07 | hexxeh | he doesn't need to. he just needs to learn to type window not windows |
| 22:19.07 | hexxeh | fuck it, this isn't doing my blood pressure any good |
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| 22:19.19 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate hexxeh |
| 22:19.19 | apt | hexxeh: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde kk |
| 22:19.19 | ixion | lol |
| 22:19.29 | ofer0 | im going to install irssi or something, xchat-text is driving me crazy |
| 22:19.38 | by_ruffo | hello people! |
| 22:19.39 | rbochan | geez |
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| 22:20.14 | hexxeh | GOD ALL FUCKING MIGHTY HOW FUCKING STUPID DID ONE PERSON MANAGE TO BE IN A FIVE MINUTE SPAN? |
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| 22:20.23 | rbochan | I wonder if he's related to ma3x? |
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| 22:20.39 | shingouz | hexxeh: and this is not even sunday |
| 22:20.40 | Yevgeniy | I'm getting i/o error while trying to read from another computer |
| 22:20.50 | Yevgeniy | cute |
| 22:20.52 | ixion | err |
| 22:20.53 | RichiH | shingouz: stealth sunday? |
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| 22:21.01 | rbochan | faux-sunday |
| 22:21.01 | by_ruffo | how i can install ident on ubuntu ? |
| 22:21.01 | shingouz | RichiH: permasunday |
| 22:21.02 | grendal_prime | doesnt seem to discuss it in there ither |
| 22:21.08 | by_ruffo | oidentd ? |
| 22:21.09 | ixion | after m-i a-i madwifi do I have to reboot or something? |
| 22:21.10 | dondelelcaro | by_ruffo: ask in #ubuntu |
| 22:21.10 | hexxeh | why did i come back? i took july off, it was much more peaceful |
| 22:21.11 | TwistedEmotions | anyone know I am trying to make a private directory with apache and I cant figure out how to lock it out... can someone please take a look at my .htaccess file and tell me whats wrong? |
| 22:21.11 | RichiH | !ubuntu |
| 22:21.12 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu is a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
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| 22:21.14 | oKtosiTe_ | does mounting a filesystem "sync" make it (much) slower? |
| 22:21.15 | shingouz | by_ruffo: who cares, ask #ubuntu |
| 22:21.18 | hexxeh | by_ruffo, we don't know, this isn;'t ubuntu support |
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| 22:21.28 | by_ruffo | ok |
| 22:21.30 | d | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ ? |
| 22:21.31 | by_ruffo | thx |
| 22:21.36 | d | that gives me an error when I load apt |
| 22:21.52 | rbochan | that's very funny |
| 22:21.54 | hexxeh | d, that';s because it'w rong. you need to define the arch and pool, e.g. sarge and main |
| 22:21.57 | TwistedEmotions | Is this .htaccess file correct? ----> AuthName "restricted stuff" AuthType Basic AuthUserFile /usr/local/etc/httpd/users require valid-user |
| 22:22.03 | rbochan | a fly marrying a bumblebee |
| 22:22.06 | d | i thought I did |
| 22:22.12 | drac | d: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html, read it. |
| 22:22.13 | hexxeh | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main |
| 22:22.13 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: looks right. |
| 22:22.20 | d | with / stable main |
| 22:22.21 | d | okay |
| 22:22.28 | shingouz | rbochan: and that makes waht? a busybee? |
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| 22:22.39 | rbochan | ;) |
| 22:22.40 | chipdalf | d: or with testing. if you run testing. |
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| 22:22.52 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: so I just put it in the directory /var/www/private/ and it should stop people from being able to access it right? |
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| 22:24.09 | ixion | ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Invalid argument |
| 22:24.11 | ixion | wtf?! |
| 22:24.11 | stew | TwistedEmotions: you need to AllowOverride AuthConfig for that directory |
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| 22:24.20 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: i would say so... if the path to the authuserfile ist correct |
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| 22:24.31 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: it is.. |
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| 22:24.43 | ofer0 | ok im good now |
| 22:24.45 | TwistedEmotions | stew: wait... let me look that file up.. brb |
| 22:25.09 | stew | TwistedEmotions: i'm talking about a <Directory> entry in your apache config |
| 22:25.10 | ofer0 | now, can somebody please tell me what packages do i need to install inorder to have gnome running? |
| 22:25.20 | stew | ofer0: /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 22:25.22 | ixion | we have told you, about 30 times |
| 22:25.24 | Garabuyo | hi |
| 22:25.34 | ixion | x-window-system |
| 22:25.39 | ixion | if you cant find that then you are doing something wront |
| 22:25.42 | ixion | -t +g |
| 22:25.48 | hexxeh | is that the sixth or seventh time he's been told? |
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| 22:25.52 | hexxeh | i lost track |
| 22:25.52 | ixion | 31st |
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| 22:26.05 | ixion | its more than 7 times |
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| 22:26.19 | dli | ofer0: tasksel is a good idea for new users |
| 22:26.35 | ofer0 | hey, don`t be mad at me.. i couldn`t see what ya`ll writing. try using xchat-text with a broken keyboard and no mouse |
| 22:26.37 | hexxeh | no, because everyone gave him enough credit to not screw up in typing a single command, so started blaming apt/dpkg/whatever |
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| 22:26.52 | stew | ofer0: did you ask dpkg for the "install gnome" factoid? |
| 22:26.54 | hexxeh | ofer0, why do you need a keyboard to read a single package name written almost 10 times? |
| 22:26.57 | rbochan | ofer0: x wont' start without amouse |
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| 22:27.06 | TwistedEmotions | stew: this is what I have in there now.. I know it's all wrong...<Directory /var/private/> Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order deny,allow Deny from all Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128 </Directory> |
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| 22:28.08 | Kitty-Kun | what drive should i use? |
| 22:28.08 | d | i followed the directions, added deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main to my sources.list still wont load |
| 22:28.27 | stew | TwistedEmotions: you need to change /var/private to /var/www/private and change AllowOverride None to AllowOverride AuthConfig |
| 22:28.46 | stew | d: what do you mean "wont load" |
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| 22:28.57 | hexxeh | d, did you run apt-get update? |
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| 22:29.03 | d | yesh |
| 22:29.13 | ixion | are you supposed to have that trailing / ? |
| 22:29.13 | stew | d: if you got an error message tell us the error message |
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| 22:29.42 | TwistedEmotions | stew: ty ;) I will love you forever if this works.. |
| 22:29.50 | hexxeh | "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main" that is exactly as it appears on 2 of my machines, which are fine |
| 22:30.11 | ofer0 | hexxeh -> i just couldn`t have read what you all writing with xchat-text. its like talking using netcat and telnet. |
| 22:30.34 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: i think there have to be a "AllowOverride AuthConfig" |
| 22:30.48 | ixion | why ask for help if you cant read? |
| 22:31.00 | hexxeh | ofer0, so is x-window-system installed yet? |
| 22:31.01 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: yeah I got it... |
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| 22:31.09 | ofer0 | stew -> thanx, it helped me (that bot, dpkg) |
| 22:31.11 | cureless | "keyboard error: press any key to continue" |
| 22:31.18 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: sorry... did not see the post from stew |
| 22:31.19 | ixion | I got madwifi source using apt, used module assistant to install it and then modprobed ath_pci (not sure if that last step was correct) iwconfig shows my interface but I cant assosicate with anything |
| 22:31.25 | ofer0 | hexxeh -> im currently installing it using the help "dpkg" (the bot) told me |
| 22:31.29 | ixion | I also get: ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Invalid argument |
| 22:31.37 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: ;) All good... your just helping |
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| 22:31.46 | dondelelcaro | ixion: yes, that just means that ath0 can't support scanning. Not all wireless cards can. |
| 22:31.52 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... okay... so it now sais forbidden... but didnt ask for a logon? |
| 22:31.52 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: just trying... *g* |
| 22:31.58 | ixion | any suggestions on why I cant associate? |
| 22:32.06 | stew | ixion: you've tried setting the essid / channel / key with iwconfig? |
| 22:32.10 | ixion | the access point just comes up with 00:00:00 |
| 22:32.21 | d | well, its not so much an error msg, when I try and load a WMV in firefox i get the sound, but no video |
| 22:32.36 | ixion | yes, iwconfig shows it as associated, but the mac shows as 00:00:00 etc, no signal, noise etc |
| 22:32.42 | d | i followed every guide I could find, installed everything I thought was needed |
| 22:32.50 | PerfDave | d: You probably don't have the right codec loaded for the wmv. Try installing w32codecs from marillat, or just give up on WMV as being a shit thing ;) |
| 22:33.00 | d | i did install w32 |
| 22:33.05 | d | i know wmv is a shit thing |
| 22:33.12 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: hm... could there be a problem with the access-rights? |
| 22:33.15 | d | but.. I started working on this about an hour ago and im not giving up :D |
| 22:33.20 | ixion | I lie, it does mention a signal etc, but its wrong: Link Quality=0/94 Signal level=-95 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm |
| 22:33.35 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: is it suppose to ask for a logon by default? |
| 22:33.51 | hexxeh | d, get ahold of a .wmv file and try to play directly with mplayer |
| 22:34.08 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: or do I have to set up a script for that? |
| 22:34.09 | ixion | now its changed to FF:FF:FF:FF etc |
| 22:34.11 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: i would say so... what apache are you running? |
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| 22:34.26 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: apache2 |
| 22:34.34 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: imho not... |
| 22:34.44 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 22:34.51 | d | sec, dling mplayer-686 |
| 22:35.23 | darxeth | ubuntu? |
| 22:35.26 | darxeth | that's new shit for me |
| 22:35.27 | Kitty-Kun | driver* |
| 22:35.28 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: it should work without a skript... |
| 22:35.44 | FieldySnuts | or just shit |
| 22:35.46 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: kk brb.. thanks by the way. |
| 22:36.08 | hexxeh | d, use mplayer-386 |
| 22:36.11 | Wyzard | hmm... seems like a bunch of the Debian mirrors haven't resumed their mirroring following the recent server move |
| 22:36.36 | hexxeh | d, -386 uses runtime cpu detection, which means it'll probably be faster/less intensive on post-1996 hardware |
| 22:36.49 | d | okay |
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| 22:37.19 | d | let me try that |
| 22:37.30 | d | in totem it does the same thing |
| 22:37.44 | TwistedEmotions | how do I set access rights to a directory... currently I cant do shit in that directory without using sudo... requires root access even to create files.. |
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| 22:38.03 | Kitty-Kun | HEY |
| 22:38.07 | Kitty-Kun | i would like some help |
| 22:38.11 | shingouz | ask |
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| 22:38.15 | Kitty-Kun | what video driver should i use? |
| 22:38.22 | FieldySnuts | TwistedEmotions: as many, many things should be left. |
| 22:38.23 | d | the universal one |
| 22:38.23 | zinx | the one for your video card |
| 22:38.26 | shingouz | no idea Kitty-Kun |
| 22:38.29 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 22:38.56 | TwistedEmotions | FieldySnuts: agreed... but I need more access to this folder.. |
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| 22:39.01 | hexxeh | d, you're very good at not giving detail. |
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| 22:39.04 | FieldySnuts | you access folders on windows. ignored. |
| 22:39.15 | hexxeh | d, run mplayer pathtoamsvideo.wmv, and look for errors or messages |
| 22:39.21 | Kitty-Kun | ati drivers will not work |
| 22:39.26 | d | heh, well, it works in Mplayer |
| 22:39.33 | FieldySnuts | that's just a known fact about ati-drivers |
| 22:39.34 | zinx | use the drivers for your video card |
| 22:39.38 | d | but i get a weird error on top |
| 22:39.39 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: and your video is what? |
| 22:39.41 | Kitty-Kun | I CAN'T |
| 22:39.41 | d | something about ALSA |
| 22:39.44 | hexxeh | Kitty-Kun, WHICH ati drivers? what are you trying to do? |
| 22:39.51 | Kitty-Kun | install debian >.> |
| 22:39.55 | d | alsa-cntrl: bto findsimpl PCM -0 |
| 22:39.55 | ixion | routerlin1:~# ifconfig ath0 up |
| 22:39.56 | ixion | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error |
| 22:39.58 | Kitty-Kun | I'm gonna try to |
| 22:39.58 | hexxeh | !vagueness |
| 22:39.58 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 22:40.01 | ixion | now Im lost |
| 22:40.03 | TwistedEmotions | FieldySnuts: okay.. directory... how do I change access to it? |
| 22:40.04 | Kitty-Kun | but every time i've tried before |
| 22:40.05 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: and if you are using a matrox card with ati drivers it will not work |
| 22:40.07 | Kitty-Kun | it dies >.> |
| 22:40.15 | hexxeh | Kitty-Kun, GIVE TOME FUCKING DETAIL |
| 22:40.21 | zinx | if the drivers you're trying don't work, then they're either misconfigured or aren't the ones for your video card |
| 22:40.26 | hexxeh | fuck it, i quit. for the forseeable future, not just a month |
| 22:40.28 | FieldySnuts | you're not giving us enough details anyway |
| 22:40.30 | Kitty-Kun | i'm using ATI DRIVERS WITH A FUCKING ATI CARD! |
| 22:40.31 | FieldySnuts | hexxeh: cheers. |
| 22:40.32 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: what rights are set now? |
| 22:40.34 | ofer0 | when i run "startx" it tells me i need to install "x-windows-system", but when i "apt-get install x-windows-system" it tells me that there is no packge called that way. yes, i did "apt-get update" |
| 22:40.34 | d | hexxeh: how can i get this to wrko as a pugin |
| 22:40.35 | d | eeeeeee |
| 22:40.40 | ixion | Kitty-Kun, ATI only made one card? |
| 22:40.40 | hexxeh | my brain cannot take the negative IQs in here |
| 22:40.41 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: which fucking ati card |
| 22:40.44 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: how do I check? |
| 22:40.45 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: there are several ATI drivers and several ATI video cards |
| 22:40.52 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: various combinations do/do not work |
| 22:40.53 | Rawplayer | ati suc |
| 22:40.54 | Rawplayer | ks |
| 22:40.54 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: ls -la ? |
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| 22:40.56 | Wyzard | ofer0: People have told you about ten times, it's "x-window-system", not "x-windows-system" |
| 22:40.57 | Kitty-Kun | Ok |
| 22:41.01 | drac | Rawplayer: Yes, you do. |
| 22:41.13 | ofer0 | thanx wyzard :) sorry im so stupid =\ |
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| 22:41.15 | Kitty-Kun | i have ati 9200 pro according to every hardware detection i have |
| 22:41.18 | ixion | ofer0, what the fuck is wrong with you man |
| 22:41.19 | shingouz | bah. dpkg -i blessed-silence |
| 22:41.30 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-08-01 15:18 private |
| 22:41.41 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: you should use the "radeon" driver, and define how it doesn't work; that driver will give you 2d for sure, with nearly no configuration |
| 22:41.43 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: basically root only.. |
| 22:41.50 | Kitty-Kun | ok |
| 22:41.52 | ixion | hexxeh specifically said to you on multiple occasions that its window not windows |
| 22:42.03 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: if it's not working, there is a misconfiguration of something else, most likely |
| 22:42.03 | stew | Kitty-Kun: you want the ati driver |
| 22:42.05 | Kitty-Kun | thank you so much ^^ |
| 22:42.07 | daedalus_ | !tell kitty-kun about smart questions |
| 22:42.07 | Kitty-Kun | well |
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| 22:42.21 | Kitty-Kun | >.> |
| 22:42.22 | Kitty-Kun | sorry |
| 22:42.24 | Kitty-Kun | but |
| 22:42.31 | nkuttler | !tell Kitty-Kun about enter |
| 22:42.34 | drac | stew: err, why would he want ATi drivers? 9200 has Direct Rendering by kernel and X. |
| 22:42.35 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: if you were trying the "ati" driver previously, it is the same.. it just auto-detects whether it needs "radeon" or "rage128" or such |
| 22:42.35 | Kitty-Kun | if it asks kdm or gdm? |
| 22:42.37 | daedalus_ | S'ok... we all need to learn sometime |
| 22:42.50 | stew | drac: shit i dunno, i have a 9200 and the ati driver worksforme (tm) |
| 22:42.52 | Kitty-Kun | would that be the problem? |
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| 22:43.01 | Kitty-Kun | the gdm/kdm problem? |
| 22:43.12 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: if gdm/kdm run, then it's working.. |
| 22:43.17 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: the rights would be right... but you should set it to the user of apache... but do not ask me what it is called... but you should find that in the config-file |
| 22:43.31 | alvanson | dpkg isn't answering me, is there an alternative bot? |
| 22:43.32 | dpkg | alvanson: okay |
| 22:43.47 | Kitty-Kun | yeah |
| 22:43.55 | Kitty-Kun | it says that gdm/kdm can't start |
| 22:44.03 | stew | dpkg: forget isn't answering me |
| 22:44.03 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'isn't answering me' to forget, stew |
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| 22:44.29 | shingouz | dpkg: forget isn't answering me, |
| 22:44.30 | dpkg | shingouz: i forgot isn't answering me, |
| 22:44.32 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: Can I just change it to all access? So I dont have to specify? |
| 22:44.43 | stew | Kitty-Kun: read /var/log/XFree86.0.log and look for lines starting with EE |
| 22:44.43 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: does it give any more information than that? |
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| 22:44.54 | Kitty-Kun | Um |
| 22:44.57 | Kitty-Kun | i can't >.> |
| 22:44.59 | zinx | (note: do not paste more than one line in here) |
| 22:45.04 | stew | Kitty-Kun: why not? |
| 22:45.06 | alvanson | oops, sorry about that (forgot fully how the bot works) |
| 22:45.12 | Kitty-Kun | Uh |
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| 22:45.19 | Kitty-Kun | i wanna install it on this computer |
| 22:45.23 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: you can... but is it secure? |
| 22:45.26 | ofer0 | thanx guys i have gnome up and running! ill be back in 2 minutes from xchat |
| 22:45.27 | ofer0 | exit |
| 22:45.34 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: it is already installed by the point X can run |
| 22:45.40 | Kitty-Kun | Um |
| 22:45.41 | Kitty-Kun | yeah |
| 22:45.43 | Kitty-Kun | >.> |
| 22:45.47 | Kitty-Kun | it's not running |
| 22:45.52 | Kitty-Kun | i'm USING fc4 right now |
| 22:45.53 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: yes it is, it's just exiting. |
| 22:45.56 | alvanson | I had made an openoffice.org-java package, but I don't remember how I made it. I'm pretty sure it was just a program run at the command line. Any ideas or am I on crack? |
| 22:45.58 | Kitty-Kun | b/c i can get it to WORK |
| 22:46.15 | Kitty-Kun | if debian works for me, I'll GLADLY use it |
| 22:46.16 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: I just want a few friends to be able to access a directory with music... I dont REALLY care if people access that folder.. just dont want OPEN/EASY access. |
| 22:46.17 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: if you're configuring X and executing the binary, then it is installed |
| 22:46.27 | Kitty-Kun | I'M NOT FUCKING RUNNING X! |
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| 22:46.35 | Kitty-Kun | IT IS NOT INSTALLED! |
| 22:46.43 | Kitty-Kun | THERE IS NO FUCKING LOG FILE! |
| 22:46.45 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: stop yelling. check the logs for errors |
| 22:46.52 | stew | Kitty-Kun: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 22:46.56 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: if it's not installed, then that's obviously why it's not running |
| 22:47.03 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: install X before trying to run it |
| 22:47.03 | stew | Kitty-Kun: please stop shouting and saying ">.>" |
| 22:47.04 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: okay... |
| 22:47.04 | Kitty-Kun | I want to |
| 22:47.09 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: I found it |
| 22:47.11 | Kitty-Kun | and I've tried to install debian before |
| 22:47.17 | Kitty-Kun | what command do i use to install it? |
| 22:47.18 | alvanson | oh nm I am on crack |
| 22:47.23 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:47.26 | TwistedEmotions | the user is called www-data... group www-data... |
| 22:47.42 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: how do I add that to have access to that directory? |
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| 22:47.46 | peritus_ | when will xorg be in testing? |
| 22:47.48 | DoppelGanger | ha hes still at it |
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| 22:47.59 | Kitty-Kun | wait |
| 22:48.00 | DoppelGanger | peritus_: when will youlearn to use a search engine |
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| 22:48.10 | Kitty-Kun | wait |
| 22:48.16 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: chgrp -R www-data /path/to/directory |
| 22:48.17 | drac | !why xserver-xorg is not in testing |
| 22:48.18 | dpkg | xserver-xorg is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xserver-xorg |
| 22:48.23 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: I'd suggest installing "x-window-system-core" rather than "x-window-system"... the latter will pull in some things you probably don't need, like xdm (the old ugly one) and twm |
| 22:48.32 | Kitty-Kun | startx returns an error... so it must be there |
| 22:48.33 | Kitty-Kun | right? |
| 22:48.42 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: if you have startx, then you have X installed |
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| 22:48.45 | Guerin | Kitty-Kun: no, startx is in xbase-clients |
| 22:48.46 | Kitty-Kun | i know |
| 22:48.47 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: and you also have logs |
| 22:48.47 | Kitty-Kun | so |
| 22:48.47 | stew | Kitty-Kun: yes, and you shoudl look for EE lines in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 22:48.54 | peritus_ | drac: thanks |
| 22:48.54 | predius | hello, I'm trung to package a .deb, it goes smoothly, but when I install it, it doesn't put the binary where I instructed it to put it. |
| 22:48.57 | predius | any suggestions? |
| 22:48.58 | Kitty-Kun | I'm NOT RUNNING DEBIAN RIGHT NOW! |
| 22:49.08 | stew | Kitty-Kun: so run debian |
| 22:49.08 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: logs are required to troubleshoot your problem further |
| 22:49.09 | rbochan | then piss off |
| 22:49.11 | Guerin | Kitty-Kun: SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU BOTHERING US? |
| 22:49.18 | Guerin | you fucking twat |
| 22:49.18 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: no one in here can be any more help at all without logs. |
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| 22:49.23 | stew | Kitty-Kun: again, there is no reason to shout |
| 22:49.24 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: You're trying to get X working on a Debian system, right? |
| 22:49.24 | DoppelGanger | ha ah |
| 22:49.26 | Guerin | piss off to #fuckingimbeciles |
| 22:49.37 | shingouz | !beer Guerin |
| 22:49.45 | Kitty-Kun | No |
| 22:49.54 | Kitty-Kun | i'm trying to solve the problem i've had every other time |
| 22:49.57 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: Then what are you trying to do? |
| 22:50.05 | Kitty-Kun | i've tried to install it before |
| 22:50.05 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
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| 22:50.18 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: You sound like you're trying to troubleshoot a problem with an installation you don't have |
| 22:50.19 | Guerin | Kitty-Kun: the fucking problem is that you don't know how to follow the fucking instructions in 'set up x' |
| 22:50.20 | thingfish | dpkg, do you have any nice gins? |
| 22:50.21 | stew | Kitty-Kun: boot debian, try to start x, irc from a text console and we can help you diagnose the problem from there |
| 22:50.22 | Guerin | !set up x |
| 22:50.22 | dpkg | from memory, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge, etch or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. in sid, ... |
| 22:50.25 | Kitty-Kun | what is the most compatible setup for drivers and gdm/kdm/etc? |
| 22:50.40 | stew | Kitty-Kun: compatible with what? |
| 22:50.48 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 22:50.48 | Kitty-Kun | how do i irc from a text console? |
| 22:50.49 | DoppelGanger | omg |
| 22:50.55 | DoppelGanger | hes back to the beginning |
| 22:50.57 | stew | Kitty-Kun: install irssi-text, and run irssi |
| 22:51.03 | Kitty-Kun | ati radeon 9200 pro i guess |
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| 22:51.07 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: When you install the X server, its configuration will ask you about what type of video card and monitor you have, if it can't detect them automatically |
| 22:51.10 | Guerin | !guess |
| 22:51.11 | DoppelGanger | ha ah you guess |
| 22:51.11 | dpkg | somebody said guess was a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 22:51.16 | ofer0 | how come that many programs came with "apt-get install gnome" ? programs like "evolution", "gimp" etc... that was my whole point when i installed thru NetInst - installing only the programs i need. |
| 22:51.16 | Kitty-Kun | how do i configure x? |
| 22:51.23 | DoppelGanger | Kitty-Kun: RTFM |
| 22:51.24 | Guerin | you just fucking install it |
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| 22:51.26 | DoppelGanger | and carefully |
| 22:51.29 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: If you have an ATI card and don't have ATI's proprietary driver installed, you'll need to use the "svga" driver initially |
| 22:51.34 | Guerin | it configures itself in the vast majority of cases |
| 22:51.34 | nkuttler | !feed Kitty-Kun |
| 22:51.39 | Kitty-Kun | so wait |
| 22:51.39 | Guerin | this is not rocket science, people |
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| 22:51.41 | Kitty-Kun | during install |
| 22:51.42 | stew | Kitty-Kun: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:51.43 | karim | what means "scuffle" ? |
| 22:51.48 | Kitty-Kun | i should select svga? |
| 22:51.48 | DoppelGanger | ah ah |
| 22:51.52 | Guerin | karim: google |
| 22:51.55 | DoppelGanger | oh god this is funny |
| 22:52.04 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: Once you have X running using the "svga" driver (which provides just basic unaccelerated 2D), then you can worry about installing the ATI accelerated driver |
| 22:52.06 | Kitty-Kun | I don't like reading manuals >.> |
| 22:52.13 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: and it shows |
| 22:52.19 | polux | re |
| 22:52.19 | Guerin | Kitty-Kun: then we don't like helping you |
| 22:52.20 | Kitty-Kun | Leave me alone >.> |
| 22:52.21 | shingouz | jfc.. |
| 22:52.23 | Guerin | no |
| 22:52.23 | Kitty-Kun | well |
| 22:52.25 | stew | Kitty-Kun: stop ircing us until you are running debian, or we can't help you |
| 22:52.29 | Kitty-Kun | Um |
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| 22:52.43 | Kitty-Kun | i'm try to fix the problem before it comes up |
| 22:52.43 | predius | use bitchx |
| 22:52.44 | predius | or irssi |
| 22:52.53 | Guerin | Kitty-Kun: you've been told how to |
| 22:52.56 | Guerin | now go and do it |
| 22:53.01 | stew | Kitty-Kun: you can't fix the problem from redhat |
| 22:53.07 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: and we cannot help you unless we have the information we need to diagnose the problem |
| 22:53.14 | DoppelGanger | i think i will have a problem in 2 hrs now i'm not sure but i could use some help |
| 22:53.34 | shingouz | DoppelGanger: apt-get install jeeves |
| 22:53.41 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 22:53.51 | shingouz | he should have the answer fro anything :p |
| 22:54.06 | Kitty-Kun | No |
| 22:54.06 | wolfe | i need to convert base94 to base10 and visa versa |
| 22:54.06 | wolfe | the base94 is in ascii |
| 22:54.06 | wolfe | I use debian, and would like to put this in a gnubash |
| 22:54.06 | wolfe | any idea on where i can get help on this? |
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| 22:54.08 | Kitty-Kun | when i try to install it |
| 22:54.18 | Kitty-Kun | it asks me a whole bunch of questions |
| 22:54.22 | Kitty-Kun | how do i configure x again? |
| 22:54.23 | DoppelGanger | oh no |
| 22:54.24 | Kitty-Kun | >.> |
| 22:54.25 | DoppelGanger | questions |
| 22:54.25 | ofer0 | can anybody answer my question? sorry for being stupid before :] |
| 22:54.28 | DoppelGanger | ahhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:54.32 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: answer the questions |
| 22:54.36 | Kitty-Kun | NO SHIT |
| 22:54.37 | ixion | ping? |
| 22:54.38 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:54.39 | Kitty-Kun | i mean |
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| 22:54.58 | Kitty-Kun | does it matter for gdm/kdm? >.> |
| 22:55.01 | stew | no |
| 22:55.05 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: how the hell would we know what your monitor is or how big frequencies does it take |
| 22:55.18 | shingouz | and quit saying >.> |
| 22:55.20 | DoppelGanger | shingouz: your not psychic, wtf |
| 22:55.21 | shingouz | asshat |
| 22:55.29 | shingouz | DoppelGanger: nope. sorry |
| 22:55.31 | Kitty-Kun | I mean |
| 22:55.32 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: gdm is the gnome display manager, kde is the KDE display manager.. which you choose depends on your personal preference, and don't worry they both work with the other desktop environemnt |
| 22:55.41 | Kitty-Kun | What would you recommend for defaults? |
| 22:55.44 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: No, GDM doesn't care about your X config |
| 22:55.45 | shingouz | !tinfoil DoppelGanger |
| 22:55.45 | dpkg | DoppelGanger: If you really are going to be that vague, you should take off your tinfoil hat so that we could read your mind. |
| 22:55.50 | shingouz | ;) |
| 22:55.56 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 22:56.04 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: personally, I run without a display manager |
| 22:56.08 | karim | Guerin, thanks |
| 22:56.15 | Kitty-Kun | eh? |
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| 22:56.22 | Kitty-Kun | WHAT would you recommend for defaults? |
| 22:56.31 | stew | Kitty-Kun: defaults for what? |
| 22:56.31 | Kitty-Kun | b/c i found my netinst disk? |
| 22:56.32 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: The monitor configuration has some defaults available |
| 22:56.33 | Kitty-Kun | >.> |
| 22:56.34 | zinx | Kitty-Kun: as i said, it's a matter of personal preference |
| 22:56.35 | PerfDave | Kitty-Kun: kdm and kde :) |
| 22:56.36 | Kitty-Kun | no ? sorry |
| 22:56.36 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: HOW the FUCK would we know |
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| 22:56.48 | shingouz | jcf... /ignore |
| 22:57.00 | Kitty-Kun | and uh... how do i install gnome and kde? |
| 22:57.01 | meff | read.. research.. answer .. learn to use google and read your hardware's manuals, its not THAT hard Kitty-Kun .. |
| 22:57.02 | Kitty-Kun | i know |
| 22:57.06 | Kitty-Kun | i know |
| 22:57.08 | stew | Kitty-Kun: apt-get install gnome ; apt-get install kde |
| 22:57.08 | PerfDave | Kitty-Kun: Will you please knock off the >.> shit and the "pressing enter after every three words" trick? |
| 22:57.11 | Kitty-Kun | i'm an idiot |
| 22:57.20 | Kitty-Kun | my hardware's manuals only pertain to linux |
| 22:57.28 | shingouz | blessed silence :) |
| 22:57.29 | Kitty-Kun | windows not linux >.> |
| 22:57.38 | polux | i still have the same problem as ysterday : i can't log anymore as a user since i don't have any permission when i'm not root. /etc/passwd and friends are all ok and the binaries and dirs have the rights permissions enabled. could someone look at the strace of 'su - polux' if i paste it in a pastebin ? |
| 22:57.43 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: STOP saying >.>... look up your monitor on the web and find it's specs. To install shit in debian, you do apt-get install >whatever> |
| 22:57.49 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: Monitor timings are not specific to any operating system |
| 22:57.51 | PerfDave | Kitty-Kun: Your monitor manual should have the refresh rates in, that's independent of operating system. |
| 22:58.02 | meff | sigh |
| 22:58.06 | dli | Kitty-Kun, apt-get install gnome :) |
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| 22:58.32 | Kitty-Kun | Um |
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| 22:58.38 | Kitty-Kun | this monitor has no manual >.> |
| 22:58.39 | Nebulous | so hostile... |
| 22:58.39 | DoppelGanger | he would need more than a clue |
| 22:58.46 | Kitty-Kun | i got it at a yard sale |
| 22:58.52 | nkuttler | Kitty-Kun: google |
| 22:58.54 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: then look it up on the fucking web |
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| 22:59.03 | daedalus_ | !stfw |
| 22:59.03 | DoppelGanger | www.fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 22:59.03 | dpkg | stfw is, like, Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
| 22:59.04 | Kitty-Kun | folks |
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| 22:59.08 | Kitty-Kun | ur not helpful at all |
| 22:59.15 | FieldySnuts | Nebulous: he's been providing almost zero details etc. he needs to learn how to ask smart questions. |
| 22:59.17 | FieldySnuts | ~smart questions |
| 22:59.17 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, smart questions is http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 22:59.17 | Guerin | yes we fucking are |
| 22:59.19 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: You are not helping yourself |
| 22:59.22 | rbochan | I reiterate, piss off |
| 22:59.22 | meff | apt-get install natural-selection |
| 22:59.23 | nkuttler | Kitty-Kun: you're not trying to learn |
| 22:59.24 | Kitty-Kun | maybe if you people would just ANSWER QUESTIONS instead of bitching, a lot more people would use debian |
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| 22:59.28 | Kitty-Kun | yeah i am |
| 22:59.29 | Guerin | you just need to learn how to help yourself |
| 22:59.35 | Kitty-Kun | i learn BETTER by asking people |
| 22:59.36 | FieldySnuts | Kitty-Kun: YOU AREN'T ASKING SMART FUCKING QUESTIONS READ THAT URL |
| 22:59.39 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: If it's a name-brand monitor, you can find it on the manufacturer's website. If not, just choose a default setting, and later you can look in your X logs to see what ranges the monitor itself reports. |
| 22:59.42 | FieldySnuts | why is this fucknut still here |
| 22:59.42 | DoppelGanger | ha ah |
| 22:59.45 | Danamania | Guerin: "How do I do that?" |
| 22:59.45 | nkuttler | !+q |
| 22:59.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, q is C * V, or quadra |
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| 22:59.47 | dli | Kitty-Kun, have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ? |
| 22:59.51 | nkuttler | hm |
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| 23:00.01 | Kitty-Kun | um... no ..> |
| 23:00.02 | nkuttler | dli: he's not running debian |
| 23:00.09 | meff | dli: how can s/he if they dont even have it installed lol |
| 23:00.23 | dli | meff hehe :) |
| 23:00.40 | Guerin | Kitty-Kun has had it installed, but x didn't work, so they're now running fc4 |
| 23:00.47 | Kitty-Kun | THANK YOU |
| 23:00.51 | meff | haha |
| 23:00.53 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: Alright... have you read any of the links we've thrown at you? |
| 23:00.56 | Kitty-Kun | No |
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| 23:01.02 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 23:01.07 | meff | oh shit, this one has too many questions.. REDHAT HERE I COME! ;) |
| 23:01.09 | Kitty-Kun | i prefer asking people |
| 23:01.10 | Kitty-Kun | besides |
| 23:01.18 | Kitty-Kun | it's not like it's making you knowledgable |
| 23:01.20 | Kitty-Kun | christ |
| 23:01.24 | polux | :) |
| 23:01.27 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: wait,wait.... we gave you a resource, and you didn't follow it? |
| 23:01.28 | dli | Kitty-Kun, I don't like redhat, buggy "stable" releases |
| 23:01.29 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: You're not going to get very far if you refuse to read any documentation and insist on having people spoon-feed you instead :-) |
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| 23:01.33 | Guerin | but Wyzard and others have given plenty of instructions as to how to get it working, so really all that's needed is to follow them ... |
| 23:01.34 | polux | this guy is really funny :) |
| 23:01.35 | Kitty-Kun | less knowledgable |
| 23:01.38 | stew | Kitty-Kun: if you were to reboot into debian, and irc from there, then we could help you better, is there any reason why you won't do that? |
| 23:01.44 | Kitty-Kun | I KNOW |
| 23:01.51 | Kitty-Kun | that's why i'm trying to run debian |
| 23:02.00 | Kitty-Kun | and i can't run ubuntu |
| 23:02.04 | meff | stew: yeah its not installed on his box |
| 23:02.04 | concept10 | I just want to know WTF is >.> |
| 23:02.05 | DoppelGanger | oh no |
| 23:02.09 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: The links we gave you detail how to ask smart questions. It's very informative. It will get your questions answered FASTER. |
| 23:02.16 | Kitty-Kun | Ok |
| 23:02.18 | Kitty-Kun | here |
| 23:02.21 | Danamania | concept10: it's the symbol for asshat |
| 23:02.23 | dli | Kitty-Kun, get a sarge CD, it's easy |
| 23:02.30 | daedalus_ | concept10: THey're japanese smiley face type things... |
| 23:02.31 | Kitty-Kun | you want your fucking 3 step shit? that's what everyone else uses |
| 23:02.33 | PerfDave | I think that if Kitty-Kun isn't going to read instructions, and expects to be spoon-fed everything by hand, then we should all put them on /ignore and just do something else :) |
| 23:02.34 | Nebulous | i think it's a kirby? |
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| 23:02.40 | meff | concept10: some anime eye expression shit in irc |
| 23:02.44 | Kitty-Kun | I can only do a netinst |
| 23:02.44 | concept10 | Danamania, thats so damn funny |
| 23:02.50 | ixion^^ | I know Im not supposed to ask to ask, but before I ask, does anyone have experience with wireless pci, namely atheros based cards? |
| 23:03.00 | Kitty-Kun | look |
| 23:03.08 | Kitty-Kun | i've only been using linux for 6 months |
| 23:03.08 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: I've already told you everything you need to do to set up X and how to choose the right monitor timings |
| 23:03.10 | DoppelGanger | 0_0 |
| 23:03.12 | Kitty-Kun | cute me some slack |
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| 23:03.21 | predius | anyone here has experience in packaging debs? |
| 23:03.22 | meff | 6 months and you CANT READ A MANUAL? |
| 23:03.22 | Kitty-Kun | cut >.> |
| 23:03.24 | ixion^^ | how long have you been talking english? |
| 23:03.25 | Kitty-Kun | cut!!!! |
| 23:03.25 | meff | good lord.. |
| 23:03.29 | Kitty-Kun | >.> |
| 23:03.42 | Kitty-Kun | look |
| 23:03.47 | nkuttler | look |
| 23:03.48 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: We are, by not igorning you straight off. However, we don't tolerate someone who doesn't follow our advice and refuses to read docs. |
| 23:03.49 | Kitty-Kun | i JUST WANT IT TO WORK |
| 23:03.53 | nkuttler | >.> |
| 23:03.56 | Durin | ixion^^: no problem using the unofficial madwifi packages |
| 23:03.58 | Kitty-Kun | ok |
| 23:03.58 | RichiH | < Kitty-Kun> I don't like reading manuals >.> |
| 23:04.02 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: I'VE TOLD YOU HOW TO MAKE IT WORK |
| 23:04.04 | Nebulous | linux isn't very good at things 'just working' unfortunately |
| 23:04.05 | nkuttler | me got problem!!11! helps!11! |
| 23:04.07 | thingfish | one doesn't "talk" english; one speaks it. |
| 23:04.17 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: You asked several questions, I (and others) gave you answers |
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| 23:04.27 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: Is there anything else you want to ask? |
| 23:04.29 | ixion^^ | Durin: iwconfig/ifconfig doesnt even list the device? any ideas? I have tried modprobe ath_pci |
| 23:04.36 | stew | i'm starting to think this is a troll and a half |
| 23:04.38 | dli | Kitty-Kun, get a disk and start installing, then ask here |
| 23:04.42 | Danamania | Kitty-Kun: in order for it to work you *HAVE* to do some things yourself. We don't know the timings of your monitor - only you know your monitor model and you can download the manual or google its specs. Once you have that information you're 30% of the way there. Take that as step one, and head off to find that info. |
| 23:04.42 | knightsilver | anyone know what to do to make alsa work in gnome-alsamixer? |
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| 23:04.59 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: I know. We all wish it would just work. However, for us to help you, you need to follow some guidelines (like how to ask a good question that doesn't waste our (or your) time) |
| 23:05.02 | DoppelGanger | stop using gnome he eh |
| 23:05.05 | Kitty-Kun | can you please tell me everything you told me wyzard? I'm getting very confused |
| 23:05.08 | PerfDave | You don't even need to know the monitor timings, if you're prepared to put up with sub-optimal display. |
| 23:05.08 | Kitty-Kun | >.< |
| 23:05.09 | thingfish | troll or not it's pretty good free entertainment. |
| 23:05.10 | Kitty-Kun | i'm really sorry |
| 23:05.22 | ixion^^ | can you please stop that >.< thing |
| 23:05.25 | DoppelGanger | irc logs |
| 23:05.31 | concept10 | heh |
| 23:05.32 | DoppelGanger | read them |
| 23:05.33 | Nebulous | only if you take that ^^ out of your name too, ixion |
| 23:05.40 | dli | is >.< something in Chinese? |
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| 23:05.49 | Kitty-Kun | sorry |
| 23:05.49 | Wyzard | Kitty-Kun: Again, since you apparently didn't read the first time... choose the "svga" driver, and either look up your monitor's timings on the manufacturer's website, or choose defaults during the configuration. |
| 23:05.50 | ixion^^ | sorry, I got disconnected my clone is around here somewhere |
| 23:05.50 | Kitty-Kun | habit |
| 23:05.51 | RichiH | Nebulous: hah, good one |
| 23:05.54 | Kitty-Kun | bad habit i know |
| 23:05.56 | thingfish | sweet Nebulous hehe |
| 23:05.56 | daedalus_ | it's a asian emoticon... |
| 23:05.57 | PerfDave | dli: I think it's some wanky anime shit |
| 23:06.01 | Kitty-Kun | ok thank you! |
| 23:06.02 | knightsilver | dli yes.. it's a face. |
| 23:06.05 | concept10 | RichiH, that was good |
| 23:06.05 | Kitty-Kun | is that all? |
| 23:06.06 | knightsilver | just like :) is in english |
| 23:06.16 | Nebulous | it's part of some new age smiley thing. we've moved beyond :) and (: and even the more sophisticated =) and it's mirror counterpart, the (= |
| 23:06.20 | knightsilver | only it's a little upset.. like squinting |
| 23:06.23 | knightsilver | ~.~ |
| 23:06.27 | knightsilver | X_X |
| 23:06.31 | knightsilver | $_$ |
| 23:06.32 | Nebulous | so now we have things such as x_x and 0_o and -_- and ^_^ |
| 23:06.33 | stew | knightsilver: stop |
| 23:06.35 | RichiH | ixion2: use nickserv ghost |
| 23:06.38 | PerfDave | knightsilver: OK, we get the hint. |
| 23:06.49 | concept10 | they ALL suck |
| 23:06.50 | knightsilver | stew he asked.. |
| 23:06.51 | Nebulous | i don't get the < and > ones yet |
| 23:06.52 | ixion2 | can I just keep ixion2 ? :) |
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| 23:06.55 | Guerin | i get ^_^ and >.< and so on in handwritten work from my korean students |
| 23:06.56 | Z0l | hello |
| 23:07.03 | knightsilver | nebulus it depends which way the pupil of the eye works |
| 23:07.04 | Nebulous | people's eyes don't open or close that way |
| 23:07.05 | daedalus_ | Nebulous: look left, look right |
| 23:07.05 | meff | Guerin: hahaha |
| 23:07.07 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 23:07.13 | RichiH | ixion2: well, okk |
| 23:07.26 | meff | woooohoo |
| 23:07.27 | ixion2 | atheros cards anyone? :s |
| 23:07.29 | DoppelGanger | Amen |
| 23:07.30 | Z0l | anyone using gnome-blog here? it doesn't start for me, i get a python error :( couldn't find anything about it by googling for 2 hours now |
| 23:07.55 | pablum_ | asshat: (_ô_) |
| 23:08.01 | polux | Z0l, did you look at the bts ? |
| 23:08.04 | DoppelGanger | h aha |
| 23:08.05 | PerfDave | Z0l: You know, if you told us what error you were getting, it's more likely that people will be able to tell you, whether they run gnome-blog or not. |
| 23:08.06 | knightsilver | hmn libgdchart-gd2-noxpm wouldnt install for me |
| 23:08.20 | RichiH | pablum_: hah |
| 23:08.30 | Z0l | SystemError: NULL result without error in PyObject_Call |
| 23:08.34 | Z0l | this :) |
| 23:08.38 | Danamania | pablum_: best ever :) |
| 23:08.52 | Z0l | well, there are several lines above, but i don't want to flood the channel |
| 23:08.52 | PerfDave | Z0l: And what causes this error? /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 23:09.00 | PerfDave | Z0l: /msg dpkg paster |
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| 23:09.13 | stew | Z0l: what version of debian? did you check the bts? |
| 23:09.22 | Z0l | sid |
| 23:09.26 | Z0l | what is bts? |
| 23:09.30 | PerfDave | !btssmite zOap |
| 23:09.31 | stew | !btssmite Z0l |
| 23:09.36 | Z0l | oh |
| 23:09.37 | Z0l | sure |
| 23:09.38 | PerfDave | Whoops, sory zOap ;) |
| 23:09.42 | Z0l | :) |
| 23:09.46 | Z0l | i always start with that |
| 23:09.56 | Z0l | it isn't there |
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| 23:10.18 | PerfDave | Z0l: Report it? |
| 23:10.31 | knightsilver | what irc channel for ppc debian? |
| 23:10.32 | RichiH | PerfDave: blasphemy!11 |
| 23:10.41 | RichiH | knightsilver: #debian-ppc |
| 23:10.42 | Z0l | i thoguht i'm lame becouse i couldn't find anythinh about it |
| 23:10.44 | PerfDave | knightsilver: /msg dpkg ppc |
| 23:10.54 | Z0l | that's why i didn't want to report it |
| 23:11.31 | paster | "Z0l" at 80.99.126.39 pasted "My error" (15 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/432 |
| 23:11.35 | PerfDave | Z0l: Why don't you want to report it? |
| 23:11.36 | daedalus_ | Z0l: bts == Bug tracking systeem |
| 23:11.51 | Z0l | daedalus_: yeah, i figured it out :) |
| 23:12.07 | concept10 | you guys ran off the evening entertainment |
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| 23:12.20 | anurag | I am trying to install gmake using: apt-get install gmake |
| 23:12.26 | anurag | but it keeps telling me package not foudn |
| 23:12.30 | anurag | any help? |
| 23:12.31 | Z0l | PerfDave: becouse i thought that i have f*d something with my python. i only report bugs i'm sure i'm innocent :) |
| 23:12.33 | Guerin | anurag: gmake is make |
| 23:12.39 | Guerin | !b-e anurag |
| 23:12.40 | dpkg | anurag: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 23:12.46 | Wyzard | anurag: GNU make is in the package called "make" |
| 23:12.52 | daedalus_ | concept10: What, mr. deaf-to-the-world? |
| 23:13.01 | PerfDave | Z0l: Reinstall python ;) |
| 23:13.07 | PerfDave | anurag: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:13.13 | concept10 | daedalus_, heh. Yes. |
| 23:13.16 | Z0l | PerfDave: do you think that would solve it? |
| 23:13.23 | anurag | Wyzard: thing is, my program (made of pthreads) works fine on Redhat, but on debian it crashes after sometime |
| 23:13.25 | Z0l | i was thinking on installing 2.4 instead of 2.3 |
| 23:13.27 | anurag | i thought gmake is the problem |
| 23:13.30 | PerfDave | Z0l: Dunno. It would isolate whether the problem is with gnome-whateveritis or python. |
| 23:13.38 | Guerin | !works on red hat |
| 23:13.43 | PerfDave | Z0l: If gnome-whateveritis requires python 2.4, it should depend on it. |
| 23:13.44 | Guerin | bah, humbug |
| 23:13.59 | Wyzard | anurag: "gmake" is just a nickname for GNU make. Redhat uses GNU make too. |
| 23:14.01 | Z0l | PerfDave: what does the "<<" dependency mean? |
| 23:14.08 | anurag | oki |
| 23:14.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you there? /msg me |
| 23:14.20 | Durin | ixion2: i just followed the instructions at http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi and then it worked |
| 23:14.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. just got to sj |
| 23:14.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: wtf you doing in SJ? |
| 23:15.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: pick up my badges and sold my basestation at sf today. (= too me over 2 hour to config that shit for the buyer.... |
| 23:15.33 | Z0l | PerfDave: btw i already installed everything what matched gnome|xml|python|rpc |
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| 23:15.50 | Guerin | Z0l: you poor bastard |
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| 23:16.05 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahaha... im sorry ;( |
| 23:16.08 | TwistedEmotions | Badges? |
| 23:16.22 | deadcat | linux badges. |
| 23:16.25 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: like mushooms |
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| 23:16.37 | trc | i want to load pcspkr module at boot time automatic, w/o having to modprob it, how do i do it? |
| 23:16.39 | Z0l | Guerin: you don't get nervous, when you find out, that something works for everybody but you? i do :) |
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| 23:17.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I got them in mail... |
| 23:17.04 | hms77 | hello what i need for making a cd bootable, i wanna test some splash.rle |
| 23:17.12 | Guerin | Z0l: installing all that shit is bound to make stuff not work |
| 23:17.17 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. i send them to sj. |
| 23:17.18 | cooly | hi. if i plug off cable of power of hard disk and then plug off ide cable of this hard disk while running linux, would it be dangerous? |
| 23:17.25 | Z0l | Guerin: well, it didn't work without it either |
| 23:17.30 | Ohpoo | hey all I got a question. What's the difference between Debian and FreeBSD? I was thinking about trying both |
| 23:17.41 | Durin | trc: add it to /etc/modules, run update-modules |
| 23:17.45 | Guerin | Ohpoo: one's a gnu/linux OS, the other is a BSD |
| 23:17.50 | Wyzard | cooly: Unless your drive is designed for hotplugging, which it probably isn't unless it's SATA, you can damage it that way |
| 23:17.53 | trc | Durin, thanks |
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| 23:18.02 | Guerin | Ohpoo: so lots of differences. |
| 23:18.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. after the basestation is sold i got another offer... what the f. i post $70 no one want. $65 theres like 2-3 |
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| 23:18.22 | Ohpoo | Guerin, ok cool. Does debian have more programs? |
| 23:18.24 | cooly | wyzard : ok it is already damaged, this is the reason i wanna plug it off and send it to service, but can i damage anything else? |
| 23:18.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahah |
| 23:18.45 | Wyzard | cooly: Probably not, but it'd be best to shut down first, just to be safe |
| 23:18.47 | bsims | yeah the controler on the MB |
| 23:18.54 | polux | Ohpoo, there are many diffrences, you can look at wikipedia.org |
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| 23:19.06 | Ohpoo | polux, ok thanks |
| 23:19.10 | Guerin | Ohpoo: debian is the biggest free software OS there is, it's got way, way more shit packaged than any BSD, though most of that software can also run on a bsd. |
| 23:19.15 | PerfDave | Ohpoo: The standard Debian 3.1 install has ~16,000 packages available, I don't know how many are available in FreeBSD's ports tree, but probably not as many. |
| 23:19.17 | jaymzh | I'm having a problem where firefox and thunderbird get connection refused form my X server, but all other x apps are fine |
| 23:19.17 | cooly | wyzard : its because 231 days uptime :) but ok, i'll turn it off. thanx for suggestion |
| 23:19.19 | jaymzh | brand new testing box |
| 23:19.25 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 23:19.25 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 23:19.41 | astronut | i can't get attached to my wireless network..i did to a network at a hotel, but not at home... i thought i set everythign right, i can see the network, the router shows a connection with that MAC address on it, but i can't get a dhcp lease (or set it up using static values).... |
| 23:19.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: care to SSH? |
| 23:19.53 | jaymzh | seems to be a duplicate cookies: |
| 23:19.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok. |
| 23:20.00 | jaymzh | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:20.00 | jaymzh | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 23:20.12 | Ohpoo | PerfDave, so what made you switch? |
| 23:20.23 | Wyzard | cooly: FWIW, the Serial ATA interface is designed to be hot-pluggable, so it'd be electrically safe if you were using that :-) |
| 23:20.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I just want to you figure out this logon shit... I sohuld have access to the directory.. but for some reason blocks EVERYONE from /var/www/private instead of asking for logon and only blocking wrong passwords. |
| 23:20.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok what am i doing? |
| 23:20.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok |
| 23:20.53 | jaymzh | I've tried switching from xfree to xorg, I've tried rmeoving Xauthority, I've tried all kinds of things |
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| 23:20.57 | jaymzh | any ideas |
| 23:20.58 | jaymzh | ? |
| 23:21.01 | PerfDave | Ohpoo: Debian's just easier to work with, IMHO. FreeBSD has *much* better documentation, so it makes a good starting point to Unix-like operating systems, but Debian made my life as a sysadmin easier. |
| 23:21.08 | trc | Durin: from the man pages, update-modules - obsolete command |
| 23:21.17 | Z0l | well, thx for your help, i'll report my bug then |
| 23:21.22 | cooly | wyzard, nope, im using old-style ATA :/ |
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| 23:21.30 | Ohpoo | PerfDave, cool |
| 23:21.35 | bigfish | can someone tell me how to tell what my eth0"" connection is? I have a pcmcia connection to the network ty.. |
| 23:21.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: why you have the passwd file there? |
| 23:21.48 | Z0l | byez |
| 23:21.52 | PerfDave | bigfish: What do you want to know about your network connection? |
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| 23:21.57 | Durin | trc: Thanks (never read it since potato :) |
| 23:22.05 | jaymzh | I'm having a problem where firefox and thunderbird get connection refused form my X server, but all other x apps are fine |
| 23:22.08 | daedalus_ | bigfish: ifconfig eth0 |
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| 23:22.29 | bigfish | PerfDave, I need to find out what its called, im used to eth0 but its not working out with my laptop, im noob with laptops |
| 23:22.46 | Ohpoo | PerfDave, I run ubuntu now and it's awsome. But I was thinking about trying Debian because I think it may be more flexable |
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| 23:23.01 | PerfDave | bigfish: "ifconfig -a" will show you all interfaces recognised by your kernel. |
| 23:23.11 | bigfish | daedalus_, its asys error fetching interfaxe info: Device not found |
| 23:23.22 | PerfDave | Ohpoo: Fair enough. I've not seen any reason to run Ubuntu instead of Debian. |
| 23:23.24 | daedalus_ | daedalus_: PerfDave is right. I thought you were after different info |
| 23:23.34 | jaymzh | no one? |
| 23:23.50 | oax | is there a known problam with xorg? all my apt-get upgrades are dying |
| 23:23.51 | daedalus_ | jaymzh: How are you launching firefox/moz? |
| 23:23.54 | bigfish | PerfDave, I have lo, sit0, and tr0 |
| 23:24.00 | jaymzh | daedalus_, "firefox" |
| 23:24.17 | daedalus_ | jaymzh: through some sort of menu, or on the command line? |
| 23:24.25 | jaymzh | type it from bash |
| 23:24.27 | bigfish | I think its TR0, its says token ring |
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| 23:24.41 | bigfish | PerfDave, what do you think |
| 23:24.44 | PerfDave | bigfish: Hmm, looks like your network card isn't being recognised by your kernel. |
| 23:24.54 | bigfish | ... |
| 23:25.02 | bigfish | PerfDave, what should I do? |
| 23:25.09 | daedalus_ | jaymzh: if you do a 'whoami', does the user shown match the user you logged into X as? |
| 23:25.10 | PerfDave | bigfish: What network card is it? |
| 23:25.26 | jaymzh | phil |
| 23:25.29 | bigfish | pcmcia token ring auto 16/4 |
| 23:25.40 | Nebulous | odd. I've lost the ability to type r in my ssh shell. |
| 23:25.50 | jaymzh | daedalus_, sorry, didn't prefix your name, I know there's a lot of traffic in here... I'm logged in as "phil" |
| 23:26.01 | PerfDave | bigfish: It's a token ring card? Then tr0 is probably what you want :) |
| 23:26.11 | daedalus_ | jaymzh: did 'whoami' return 'phil'? |
| 23:26.18 | PerfDave | bigfish: Why not use an Ethernet card like everybody else after 1985? ;) |
| 23:26.26 | jaymzh | daedalus_: yes |
| 23:26.52 | daedalus_ | bigfish: you have a token ring network??? |
| 23:27.01 | bigfish | I have to log off to see, but if it works I well come with good news. for your q" well I don't know much and was looking for a linux compatible card of ebay so this waht I have until I go wireless |
| 23:27.18 | daedalus_ | bigfish: uh-oh |
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| 23:27.25 | PerfDave | bigfish: If you have a token ring card, I wouldn't expect it to work on an Ethernet network. |
| 23:27.27 | bigfish | daedalus_, whaaa? |
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| 23:27.38 | daedalus_ | bigfish: see perfDaves comment |
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| 23:27.51 | Nebulous | for a while, linksys made combo tokenring/ethernet cards |
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| 23:28.02 | bigfish | daedalus_, I hope for my sake your wrong, i will be back to tell you if I can connect |
| 23:28.03 | daedalus_ | jaymzh: does firefox give you any sort of error? |
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| 23:28.09 | Wyzard | bigfish: You can get RTL-8139 Ethernet cards for around $5 |
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| 23:28.18 | Wyzard | bigfish: 3Com 3c59x for not much more |
| 23:28.20 | Ohpoo | PerfDave, hey do you use mplayer? |
| 23:28.27 | PerfDave | Ohpoo: Nope |
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| 23:28.34 | joecool | hey, i'm trying to download a file with a server.. but i don't have space... is there anyway to pipe it to a second server via a tool like scp? |
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| 23:28.49 | PerfDave | joecool: What do you mean "with a server"? From a server? To a server? |
| 23:28.50 | daedalus_ | joecool: that made no sense |
| 23:28.52 | joecool | the second server is firewalled so i can't do the download directly |
| 23:28.55 | bigfish | well if they don't work I will have to auction them |
| 23:29.04 | ixion2 | he wants to send the file from server to anther, without bypassing his server |
| 23:29.06 | joecool | ok.. here is what i am doing |
| 23:29.06 | bigfish | brb with good news I hope |
| 23:29.09 | ixion2 | I mean bypassing his server |
| 23:29.26 | ixion2 | how can I add boot options to grub please someone? I want to diable acpi? |
| 23:29.28 | Wyzard | FXP? |
| 23:29.29 | concept10 | he is trying to pipe porn from one server to the next |
| 23:29.35 | joecool | i need to download a file thats 700mb... the server has 500mb free space.. i am wondering if it is possible to pipe wget to a tool like scp |
| 23:29.47 | joecool | so i can pipe it to a high capacity server that is firewalled |
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| 23:30.29 | Wyzard | joecool: You can pipe into something like: ssh remotehost "cat > outfile" |
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| 23:30.42 | daedalus_ | joecool: you can scp to the server, but you can't ssyh to it??? |
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| 23:30.49 | daedalus_ | err ssh |
| 23:30.55 | cougar` | Wyzard : You gettin' my PMs? |
| 23:30.56 | jaymzh | daedalus_: yes, it did: |
| 23:31.05 | jaymzh | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:31.05 | jaymzh | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 23:31.06 | j4cbo | is it considered safe (relatively speaking, i know) to upgrade to xorg in sid? |
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| 23:31.13 | joecool | daedalus_: i can ssh into it.. i just cannot wget the file directly to it |
| 23:31.37 | ixion2 | you cant what? |
| 23:31.43 | joecool | j4cbo: its safer then running xfree lol |
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| 23:32.02 | j4cbo | joecool: really |
| 23:32.10 | cougar` | Wyzard? |
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| 23:32.18 | joecool | ixion2: I cannot download a file with the one server.. because the port the file is hosted on is oddball and firewalled |
| 23:32.22 | nvz | sussudio: If you get a chance I would like to know if you could possibly tar up logs for #debian for last month July 17th-23rd that would be two weeks ago. Its not a real big deal, but I know you have complete logs. |
| 23:32.36 | Durin | ixion2: add the option to the line '# kopt=...' in /boot/grub/menu.lst, run update-grub |
| 23:32.50 | joecool | ixion2: and the other server does not have the space... so i want to download it with that server, and simulataneously send it to the other |
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| 23:32.53 | joecool | can it be done? |
| 23:33.03 | j4cbo | oh colloquy why do you taunt me :( |
| 23:33.55 | j4cbo | anyway what about the nvidia drivers? should i expect breakage there? |
| 23:33.58 | Pingu12- | can i stop mysql's log_bin without restarting mysql ? |
| 23:34.01 | PerfDave | joecool: So you want to run wget from one machine, and pipe the output over the network to a second machine and spool to the second machine's disk? |
| 23:34.01 | Ohpoo | PerfDave, thanks much for info :). I get interested about learning new things but ofcourse I got to figure out what's best for my goals |
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| 23:34.14 | FieldySnuts | @pee |
| 23:34.15 | joecool | PerfDave: that is correct |
| 23:34.15 | ravenbird | Ok. |
| 23:34.22 | ixion2 | DurinL thanks |
| 23:34.27 | ixion2 | err without the L |
| 23:34.33 | PerfDave | joecool: You can do that with wget and either scp or netcat, I expect. |
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| 23:34.50 | simplexe | hi |
| 23:34.50 | joecool | PerfDave: scp doesn't handle named pipes :( |
| 23:34.50 | bigfishwink | daedalus_, yeah this sucks, they don't work , persay |
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| 23:35.09 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: factinfo pee |
| 23:35.10 | ravenbird | pee -- it has been requested 5 times, last by FieldySnuts, 55s ago. |
| 23:35.11 | Ohpoo | Guerin, thanks for info :) |
| 23:35.14 | bigfishwink | wtf do i do with them now, can I not symlink tr0 to eth0? |
| 23:35.17 | FieldySnuts | ... was looking for who made it |
| 23:35.26 | daedalus_ | bigfishwink, Wouldn't expect them to. I'm actually quite suprised you found a TR pcmcia card... |
| 23:35.36 | FieldySnuts | that's not how it works with ethernet devices |
| 23:35.41 | simplexe | my debian is changing all names of files (fat32) , i wanna ask if there is a way to correct this ? |
| 23:35.42 | bigfishwink | daedalus_, what was the ones you recomend again |
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| 23:35.58 | PerfDave | joecool: So use netcat ;) |
| 23:36.01 | daedalus_ | bigfishwink: totally different protocol. The switch/router will not understand the language your card is speaking, and the reverse is also true |
| 23:36.12 | PerfDave | simplexe: What do you mean, it's changing names? |
| 23:36.16 | nvz | simplexe: you could start by being more specific |
| 23:36.23 | jaymzh | daedalus_: did you see the error? |
| 23:36.38 | FieldySnuts | some network drivers seem to think that they are actually in bsd (tr0 etc) |
| 23:36.42 | FieldySnuts | annoying |
| 23:36.48 | daedalus_ | bigfishwink: Uh, RTL-8139 Ethernet, or 3Com 3c59x |
| 23:36.51 | bigfishwink | daedalus_, well they're going back on ebay, i suspect that I may have to give them a way |
| 23:36.51 | joecool | PerfDave: but the servers are on two seperate networks.. i can do that? |
| 23:36.53 | jaymzh | daedalus_: I just tried a "apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-firefox" and it said "it cannot be reinstalled because it cannot be downloaded" /?? |
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| 23:36.56 | PerfDave | bigfishwink: Your device is called tr0 because it's a token ring device, not an ethernet device. Token ring devices are not compatiable with ethernet networks. |
| 23:36.59 | daedalus_ | jaymzh: Yeah.. 'sec |
| 23:37.06 | PerfDave | joecool: Assuming you can get some TCP between them. |
| 23:37.08 | FieldySnuts | !win PerfDave |
| 23:37.12 | FieldySnuts | come on work |
| 23:37.14 | sussudio | nvz: wha? |
| 23:37.17 | bigfishwink | PerfDave, is that why you said its old??? |
| 23:37.22 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: huh? |
| 23:37.30 | simplexe | PerfDave: nvz : a file with a long name with caracters like [(... change name like an abreveation ! |
| 23:37.31 | PerfDave | bigfishwink: Token ring networking is, generally, old technologh. |
| 23:37.32 | FieldySnuts | token ring is VERY old |
| 23:37.32 | Nebulous | how would i purge any package that isn't currently installed? |
| 23:37.38 | PerfDave | joecool: Can you not use ssh instead? |
| 23:37.41 | joecool | PerfDave: no netcat on the box :) |
| 23:37.44 | tbx | THe Saga So Far: Rather suddenly about a week ago, my optical drive stopped working /inside debian/. A multitutde of bootable CDs worked perfectly. I tried re-installing my kernel and installing other kernels. No dice. Finally I stumbled across a post somewhere out there on the net that suggested adding "acpi=off" to my boot command. Bingo. Optical drive works. But now HD I/O is ___DOG___ slow. What in tarnation? Especially since everything was working peachy kee |
| 23:37.44 | tbx | n, as I said, up until about a week ago. Wherein lies the conflict between ACPI and IRQ [that being where the errors were spewed].. Can anyone help? |
| 23:37.46 | daedalus_ | jaymzh: try just "firefox" or use dselect/etc. SOmetimes the name changes |
| 23:37.48 | PerfDave | joecool: So install it. |
| 23:37.49 | FieldySnuts | @kill tbx |
| 23:37.53 | daedalus_ | !info mozilla-firefox |
| 23:37.58 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7440 kB, Installed size: 21012 kB |
| 23:37.59 | joecool | PerfDave: i don't have root access, thats a problem |
| 23:38.08 | daedalus_ | !info firefox |
| 23:38.14 | bigfishwink | daedalus_, well I thought they were just a brand name |
| 23:38.16 | FieldySnuts | then why are you trying to configure anything .... |
| 23:38.19 | tbx | @bite FieldySnuts |
| 23:38.19 | PerfDave | joecool: So install it locally ;) |
| 23:38.23 | joecool | PerfDave: yes, i can use ssh.. how would i go about doing it |
| 23:38.28 | daedalus_ | bigfishwink: heh, nope. |
| 23:38.32 | FieldySnuts | hey only Phated can do that! |
| 23:38.32 | jaymzh | daedalus_: got it reinstalled |
| 23:38.35 | jaymzh | daedalus_: same error |
| 23:38.40 | daedalus_ | jaymzh: Hmm |
| 23:38.42 | jaymzh | daedalus_: no improvement :( |
| 23:38.52 | bigfishwink | daedalus_, well im checking oout ebay, ty for helping me figure this out.. |
| 23:38.53 | daedalus_ | jaymzh: Oh, I can't seem to find your error. I spoke in haste |
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| 23:39.11 | daedalus_ | bigfishwink, np. PerfDave carried most of it. |
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| 23:39.26 | bigfishwink | PerfDave, ty too |
| 23:39.28 | shimano55 | Question, Is there anyway to view WMV files in Debian???? Pleas ehelp. |
| 23:39.32 | simplexe | PerfDave: nvz :debian changes all names files and directory in my fat32 mounted partition !! |
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| 23:40.27 | radmin | do any of you guys run xandros? |
| 23:40.30 | PerfDave | joecool: wget $url -q -O - | ssh $otherserver 'cat - > $outputfilename' |
| 23:40.35 | PerfDave | !xandros |
| 23:40.35 | dpkg | somebody said xandros was a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 23:40.37 | agent0range | i've installed fluxbox and x-server and edited my .xinitrc in my hoedir but i only get a generic xserver with an X mouse but not fluxbox. Any ideas? |
| 23:40.42 | bigfishwink | daedalus_, I cant get a result on ebay for these names RTL and 3com |
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| 23:40.56 | ElPolloLoco | anyone have an idea as to why there are certin characters that does not show correctly in either weechat, bitchx or ircII but fine every where els on the system? |
| 23:41.00 | PerfDave | simplexe: What makes you think it's changing names at al? |
| 23:41.19 | asuffield | he probably mounted a vfat filesystem as msdos |
| 23:41.25 | radmin | im running xandros it was giving me trouble but it is really easy to install off the xandros network |
| 23:41.30 | PerfDave | radmin: Xandros is not supported on #debian. |
| 23:41.43 | radmin | oh really |
| 23:41.43 | aeronadix | agent0range, Did you apt-get install fluxbox? |
| 23:41.44 | bigfishwink | daedalus_, any other recs, or some canadian links to sales for these |
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| 23:41.52 | PerfDave | radmin: Yes, really :) |
| 23:41.56 | agent0range | aeronadix yes i did |
| 23:42.01 | bigfishwink | ore PerfDave too, need some links |
| 23:42.02 | radmin | xandros runs deb and rpms |
| 23:42.18 | jaymzh | daedalus_: got it! |
| 23:42.21 | aeronadix | agent0range, try this $startx -e fluxbox |
| 23:42.23 | PerfDave | radmin: That's nice for it. It's still not supported on #debian, since it's not Debian :) |
| 23:42.24 | agent0range | aeronadix along with s-server and xfree-86 |
| 23:42.45 | aeronadix | agent0range, why didn't you do apt-get install x-windows-system? |
| 23:42.47 | agent0range | aeronadix my Xserver is started via "X" |
| 23:42.52 | jaymzh | I temporarily disabled acls (xhost +), ran it, renabled acls (xhost -), and it works |
| 23:42.53 | PerfDave | bigfishwink: I have no idea. Just get any common PCMCIA ethernet card and it should work in Debian :) |
| 23:43.10 | agent0range | aeronadix i also did that |
| 23:43.13 | aeronadix | agent0range, woow, what is it start via then? |
| 23:43.19 | joecool | PerfDave: seems to be working :) |
| 23:43.23 | tbx | Does anyone know why "acpi=off" in my boot command enables my optical drive, but makes my HD I/O dead-monky slow? [Meaning that any traffick between disks absolutely /locks/ up X...]? |
| 23:43.25 | Morti | INIT: Id "3" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes <--- why do I keep getting that and how do I fix it? |
| 23:43.29 | bigfishwink | PerfDave, THIS LOOK GOOD? http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64051&item=5792740153&rd=1 |
| 23:43.49 | PerfDave | joecool: Sweet. I gave it a quick test and it seemed to :) |
| 23:43.59 | tbx | ... and why having acpi=off is necessary today but wasn't necessary a week ago? |
| 23:44.14 | joecool | this seems to be the last semi-good distro channel :P |
| 23:44.18 | PerfDave | bigfishwink: I'd expect a 3Com card to work in Linux. Don't hold me to that though ;) |
| 23:44.40 | bigfishwink | ill research to see |
| 23:44.50 | radmin | so what is xandros |
| 23:45.04 | PerfDave | radmin: It's a commercial Linux distribution, that isn't Debian :) |
| 23:45.10 | radmin | it really seems like a basterd |
| 23:45.11 | joecool | bigfishwink: the tornado integrated is a bitch.. all other 3com cards seem good though |
| 23:45.20 | PerfDave | radmin: Some of its software is based on Debian, but it's not Debian, and not supported here. |
| 23:45.27 | radmin | you can run windows on it |
| 23:45.29 | agent0range | aeronadix is there some way i can debug it more fully? |
| 23:45.30 | bigfishwink | joecool, thanks |
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| 23:45.40 | shimano55 | Hello??? |
| 23:45.49 | shimano55 | Is there anyway to play wmv's in Linux? |
| 23:45.51 | joecool | mii-tool << saved my life two days ago... got stuck in half-duplex mode |
| 23:45.53 | aeronadix | agent0range, Yes, go to /usr/share/doc/fluxbox |
| 23:45.54 | bigfishwink | the one I saw wasn't tornado I don't think |
| 23:46.04 | PerfDave | simplexe: Depends on the WMV. Not easily, certainly. Just leave WMV alone, it's shit :) |
| 23:46.07 | stew | joecool: and that was life threatening? |
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| 23:46.10 | tbx | shimano55: mplayer, and install win32codecs |
| 23:46.12 | simplexe | Pwmv ?? |
| 23:46.17 | joecool | stew: yes.. my net was going like shit |
| 23:46.25 | joecool | stew: i was about to go find a bridge |
| 23:46.28 | simplexe | PerfDave: wmv ?? |
| 23:46.36 | joecool | not a network bridge either |
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| 23:46.39 | tbx | shimano55: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:46.39 | PerfDave | simplexe: Whoops, sorry. |
| 23:46.46 | PerfDave | shimano55: Depends on the WMV. Not easily, certainly. Just leave WMV alone, it's shit :) |
| 23:47.05 | aeronadix | whats the deal with these kernels, I have to recompille a new one to get wireless networking, I have been putting this off for all of 2005 |
| 23:47.08 | outlaw84 | when you create users on a GNU/Linux system the password a encrypted in some way... what tool is used to encrypt these password? I wanna use the same tool for my application |
| 23:47.08 | stew | joecool: heh |
| 23:47.24 | Wyzard | outlaw84: It's an MD5 hash, not encryption |
| 23:47.30 | stew | aeronadix: you probably don't need to recompile. what kind of wireless card? |
| 23:47.31 | simplexe | PerfDave : the names changes like my documents in mydoc~ |
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| 23:48.00 | TeLLuS | shimano55: Use transcode to convert WMV to ogg xvid mpeg or something. |
| 23:48.01 | outlaw84 | Wyzard: so I might as well use CRC32 then? |
| 23:48.07 | aeronadix | stew, usb D-Link DWL-122 |
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| 23:48.19 | radmin | dave it is funny you said that xandros doesn't even support xandros |
| 23:48.19 | PerfDave | simplexe: It looks like you've tried mounting a FAT32 partition as FAT16 or something. It's not renaming anything, just displaying the names differently. Or you're using a CD without Rock Ridge extensions (or whatever the long filename support is called). |
| 23:48.23 | stew | aeronadix: do you know what chipset that uses? |
| 23:48.26 | tbx | TeLLuS: ... which creates further loss, and is completely unecessary. |
| 23:48.30 | bsims | Hrm when is a good time to update Sid |
| 23:48.33 | PerfDave | radmin: That sounds like a good reason not to use Xandros ;) |
| 23:48.39 | Wyzard | outlaw84: CRC32 isn't cryptographically strong... it's easy for an attacker to figure out a passphrase to match a given CRC value |
| 23:48.39 | radmin | hahahaha |
| 23:48.47 | sussudio | !pity bsims |
| 23:48.48 | dpkg | I pity da fool bsims! |
| 23:48.56 | aeronadix | stew, yeah but I can't remember what is called right now, let me look, 1 sec |
| 23:48.58 | radmin | well i guess ill know something nobody else know |
| 23:49.01 | radmin | lol |
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| 23:49.05 | Wyzard | PerfDave: Long filenames != FAT32 |
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| 23:49.10 | PerfDave | aeronadix: If you buy hardware that's well-supported by Linux, you shouldn't need to recompile a kernel ever. |
| 23:49.16 | simplexe | PerfDave: for a fat32 i mut use msdos in mount command ? |
| 23:49.19 | TeLLuS | tbx: Yes but it is always good to know how to get rid of wmv |
| 23:49.23 | PerfDave | simplexe: What mount command did you use? |
| 23:49.32 | Wyzard | simplexe: Use "vfat", not "msdos" |
| 23:49.33 | simplexe | in fstab |
| 23:49.40 | tbx | shimano55: just use mplayer and the win32codecs package. I actually have fewer issues playing WMVs than MOVs [but gag on both]. If you are /creating/ content, then yes, by all means use XviD or even DivX. But if you are just downloading loot from theforce.net, a recode is pointless waste of time. |
| 23:49.41 | simplexe | okay :) |
| 23:49.44 | Wyzard | simplexe: They're basically the same, except "vfat" supports long filenames and "msdos" doesn't |
| 23:49.55 | aeronadix | stew, it should work with prism aparantly from my research |
| 23:49.58 | radmin | xandros has debian preinstalled packages |
| 23:50.13 | Wyzard | simplexe: Both support all variants of FAT (FAT12, FAT16, FAT32) |
| 23:50.14 | PerfDave | radmin: It's still not Debian, and it's still not supported on #debian :) |
| 23:50.17 | aeronadix | PerfDave, I don't buy anything, I get what I can from friends and family |
| 23:50.20 | maher | aeronadix: i have one of those - i never got it to work... |
| 23:50.26 | tbx | TeLLuS: Oh, yes, don't get me wrong. I shriek, DEATH to all propriatary codecs.... |
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| 23:50.42 | aeronadix | maher, you must recompile the kernel for it, then it will work |
| 23:50.48 | PerfDave | aeronadix: Ok, "obtain" Linux-supported hardware. It's easier than faffing about with kernel recompiles and shit. Life is too short :) |
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| 23:50.50 | radmin | on their network i use them thats why xandros is different you can search their network and find packages already compiled and ready to go |
| 23:51.03 | PerfDave | radmin: You can do that on Debian too, and you don't even have to pay for it :) |
| 23:51.17 | radmin | i don't have to pay for it |
| 23:51.30 | tbx | radmin: maybe not dollars.... |
| 23:51.38 | radmin | thats what it does is installs deb files |
| 23:51.39 | aeronadix | PerfDave, DWL-122 is supported but it needs a specialy compiled kernel, I will do it one day, hopefully before 2006, lol |
| 23:51.47 | glasse | What's the deal with aspell in sid? |
| 23:51.50 | bigfishwink | has anyone successfully used usb to connect to a modem? |
| 23:51.54 | PerfDave | aeronadix: Supported as in has Free drivers and firmware? |
| 23:52.02 | PerfDave | radmin: Why are you telling us this? We know what Xandros is. We choose to use Debian. Xandros is not Debian, and not supported on #debian. If you have a Xandros problem, don't bother us with it ;) |
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| 23:52.18 | bsims | glasse: your mirror is outa date change it to main and see if that fixes things |
| 23:52.27 | stew | aeronadix: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:52.28 | glasse | Thanks |
| 23:52.36 | Wyzard | glasse: IIRC, the maintainer did the ABI transition for it, and then realized that it didn't need to change since it only exports a C API, and agreed to transition it back |
| 23:52.45 | aeronadix | PerfDave, I don't know too much about the details, but I remember finding papers that described how to get it to work, Linux supports everything, we get drivers often faster then proprietary |
| 23:52.52 | shimano55 | tbx, Where do I get all this stuff that you're talking about? |
| 23:53.05 | tbx | shimano55: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 23:53.24 | tbx | shingouz: type that here. |
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| 23:53.29 | stew | aeronadix: if its prism it will be supported |
| 23:53.29 | aeronadix | what is this iirc? |
| 23:53.30 | radmin | xandros is debian based |
| 23:53.37 | shingouz | tbx: huh? |
| 23:53.39 | PerfDave | aeronadix: I don't tend to use hardware unless it's supported by drivers in the main kernel trees. And I don't use stuff that doesn't work without non-Free drivers. |
| 23:53.41 | togusa | hello i need help partitioning debian i went to root termianl and typed cfdisk now what do i do? |
| 23:53.44 | stew | aeronadix: you probably just have to: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ; then m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng |
| 23:53.49 | tbx | shingouz: sorry. Bad tab completion. |
| 23:53.52 | francis | .. |
| 23:53.53 | sussudio | !debian based |
| 23:53.54 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 23:53.57 | tbx | shimano55: type what I said here. |
| 23:53.59 | stew | aeronadix: (after you apt-get install build-essential and module-assistant) |
| 23:54.04 | aeronadix | stew, yeah, but the prism modules don't work for some reason, you must compile into kernel with some options included |
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| 23:54.13 | Boter | hello |
| 23:54.18 | stew | aeronadix: not if you compile as module with m-a |
| 23:54.25 | Wyzard | grr... what's up with all these out-of-date mirrors lately? |
| 23:54.32 | PerfDave | radmin: Debian-based distros are not supported on #debian, only Debian itself is supported here. Xandros is not Debian, ergo it's not supported here :) |
| 23:54.33 | Boter | just one question |
| 23:54.34 | Boter | dpkg |
| 23:54.34 | Boter | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 23:54.35 | Wyzard | Even some of the mirrors in the http.us.debian.org rotation are outdated |
| 23:54.35 | togusa | i need help partitioning debian i went to root termianl and typed cfdisk now what do i do? |
| 23:54.36 | Boter | wtf? |
| 23:54.55 | aeronadix | stew, whats m-a? THanks for build-essential and module-assistant, I never heard of them, I will try those |
| 23:55.07 | PerfDave | aeronadix: m-a is a built-in shortcut for module-assistant. |
| 23:55.11 | francis | Can anyone answer me a question about zope3 on debian? |
| 23:55.18 | sussudio | nein |
| 23:55.20 | aeronadix | PerfDave, cool thx |
| 23:55.36 | PerfDave | francis: Why don't you ask a question about zope3 on Debian, and see for yourself? ;) |
| 23:56.06 | daedalus_ | !tell francis about ask |
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| 23:56.22 | Wyzard | togusa: What's your goal in your repartitioning? |
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| 23:56.32 | francis | After installing through apt how do we start zope3? |
| 23:56.38 | tbx | shimano55: have you gotten info on marillat? |
| 23:56.45 | paster | "Boter" at 193.95.206.26 pasted "some error" (2 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/433 |
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| 23:57.03 | Boter | please help |
| 23:57.15 | deadcat | !tell Boter about ask |
| 23:57.22 | maher | Boter: how did you produce the error |
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| 23:57.40 | tbx | !tell shimano55 about marillat |
| 23:57.43 | Boter | maher dont know |
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| 23:57.52 | Boter | it's my cousins machine |
| 23:57.56 | PerfDave | Boter: What command did you type, that gave you that error? |
| 23:58.00 | Boter | he's new at debian |
| 23:58.05 | daedalus_ | francis: I have no idea, but did you check the man pages for zope3? (a guess) |
| 23:58.06 | Boter | PerfDave, only 'dpkg' |
| 23:58.09 | Boter | dpkg dont work |
| 23:58.14 | Boter | dpkg anything dont work |
| 23:58.23 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 23:58.23 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 23:59.05 | PerfDave | Boter: You typed in "dpkg", on its own, at a command prompt? Logged in as a regular user, or as root? |
| 23:59.15 | Boter | as root |
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