| 00:00.00 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: go to my site and mouse over the first link in the middle of the main page. |
| 00:00.09 | oax | Wyzard - I am having awful trouble with the mirrors lately. xorg stuff is all messed up (eg. looking for version 1-4 when only 1-3 is there |
| 00:00.09 | arnon | does this crontab suppose to run every 2 minute? 2 * * * * /root/mailer.sh |
| 00:00.11 | PerfDave | Boter: Just "dpkg" on its own? |
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| 00:00.21 | PerfDave | arnon: No. "man 5 crontab" |
| 00:00.24 | Boter | dpkg "anything" |
| 00:00.25 | oax | Wyzard I came here to find out if this was a known problem or if it was just me |
| 00:00.26 | Boter | says same |
| 00:00.38 | tbx | ... and why having acpi=off is necessary today but wasn't necessary a week ago? |
| 00:00.45 | tbx | Does anyone know why "acpi=off" in my boot command enables my optical drive, but makes my HD I/O dead-monky slow? [Meaning that any traffick between disks absolutely /locks/ up X...]? |
| 00:01.04 | arnon | PerfDave, it doesn't??? |
| 00:01.05 | Wyzard | oax: Ever since the outage of ftp-master a few weeks ago, a bunch of mirrors just haven't updated themselves, even though ftp-master is back up now |
| 00:01.13 | Eonn_ | morning all - or evening =) |
| 00:01.24 | oax | wyzard do you happen to know one (USA) that is updated? |
| 00:01.46 | PerfDave | arnon: No. "man 5 crontab" |
| 00:02.22 | Boter | any idea? |
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| 00:02.50 | arnon | PerfDave, oh it should be */2 * * * * ?? |
| 00:03.20 | Wyzard | oax: I'm trying various servers from the mirror list right now, and haven't found any except *some* of the servers in the http.us.debian.org pool |
| 00:03.39 | daedalus_ | tbx: does it end up switching them into PIO mode? |
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| 00:03.55 | jcole | using sh, i'm sourcing a file from my $HOME/.profile (. $HOME/myprofile)... i put some functions in $HOME/myprofile and they work just fine from the command line after i log in... but, when i run a script that contains these functions they are not found... any one know why? do i need the functions to be "public" or something? |
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| 00:04.05 | PerfDave | arnon: If that's what "man 5 crontab" says ;) |
| 00:04.10 | TCW | I want to pin egroupware* to unstable on a stable box like this >> http://pastebin.com/327205 <<--- but it does not work, apt-cache policy still shows the packages from s.d.o as default... how come? |
| 00:04.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What was your site again? |
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| 00:04.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: deadcat.sshonly.sytes.net |
| 00:04.50 | PerfDave | TCW: Mixing binary packages between stable and unstable won't work, you'll need to backport. |
| 00:04.56 | zope3Headache | i just got zope3 from testing, can't seem to figure out how to literally make it run, can anyone help me? |
| 00:04.59 | Dragon-Eater | Yo guys, how can i configure proftpd to allow NO uploads or changes but do allow downloads? |
| 00:05.02 | Dragon-Eater | per directory |
| 00:05.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: The requested URL /index.cgi was not found on this server.? |
| 00:05.25 | TCW | PerfDave, egroupware are no binary packages, they are just a few php scripts. |
| 00:05.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. the lots of stuff for sale. mouseover it. |
| 00:06.02 | Wyzard | oax: Found one... archive.progeny.com |
| 00:06.05 | tbx | daedalus_: I get a handful of IRQ errors, an attempt to reset the drive [with "no response"], a repeat, then failure, and the boot sequence moves on. Adding the acpi-off elimintated the problem, but now my HD I/O is frozen-mammoth slow. |
| 00:06.13 | oax | wyzard thanks! trying now |
| 00:06.21 | PerfDave | TCW: Maybe they depend on a version of PHP or similar that isn't available in stable? Dunno, I never bothered with pinning. |
| 00:06.29 | TCW | PerfDave, and generally it is wrong that it won't work (mixing stable / testing / unstable) it is just a not so good idea most of the time ;) |
| 00:06.33 | jcole | i can add ". $HOME/myprofile" to every script and they work |
| 00:06.51 | jcole | or adding them to $HOME/.profile works |
| 00:07.01 | zope3Headache | or can anyone tell me what stage is zope3 at with debian? is it usable yet? |
| 00:07.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: okay.. and..? |
| 00:07.12 | tbx | daedalus_: like this: "hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xffffbff8)" |
| 00:07.13 | Dragon-Eater | Yo guys, how can i configure proftpd to allow NO uploads or changes but do allow downloads in /home/nonpub but i still would like to keep /home/www full editable by those who have access to that? |
| 00:07.22 | PerfDave | Dragon-Eater: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 00:07.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the transparent thing pops up when you point the mouse to it |
| 00:07.27 | PerfDave | TCW: Uhm, no. C++ binaries in unstable (and soon in testing) will not work in stable, because they're compiled with different versions of gcc with different ABIs. |
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| 00:07.43 | tbx | daedalus_: ah, yes, now I see to what you were referring. "ide1: BM-DMA at 0x9808-0x980f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio"; then it sees the drive and moves on. |
| 00:07.49 | Dragon-Eater | !tell PerfDave repeat |
| 00:08.00 | Dragon-Eater | !tell repeat PerfDave |
| 00:08.09 | Dragon-Eater | ok then dont :/ |
| 00:08.15 | TCW | PerfDave, I assume your statement will change when etch gets stable? :) |
| 00:08.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ohhhh..! okay... I finally see it now.. hahaha |
| 00:08.30 | TwistedEmotions | im blind. |
| 00:08.36 | daedalus_ | zope3Headache, Uh, seems that there is something like /usr/local/scripts/zstart |
| 00:08.42 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: that;s pimp |
| 00:08.48 | PerfDave | Dragon-Eater: What the fuck are you talking about? |
| 00:08.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you should *lock* your script.. |
| 00:08.55 | exobyte | I'm playing with an embedded system. For some reason, when I start a dialup connection the first time after a boot, it stalls for about 30 sec and then doesn't connect. Subsequent attempts are normal |
| 00:09.00 | Wyzard | TCW: Packages in unstable often depend on other packages (or versions of packages) only available in unstable, so you can't pick individual packages from unstable |
| 00:09.00 | Dragon-Eater | btw PerfDave if you read both my lines u see 2 different lines :/ |
| 00:09.01 | TCW | PerfDave, or in other words... it depends on several things if it's possible or not. |
| 00:09.02 | daedalus_ | zope3Headache, Possibly not in that location..... |
| 00:09.05 | Dragon-Eater | the second one was a corrected one |
| 00:09.17 | PerfDave | TCW: Depends whether there's a new, incompatiable version of gcc out byt hen. |
| 00:09.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: stolen from someone else's site of course (= |
| 00:09.38 | PerfDave | TCW: No, currently C++ binaries from unstable won't work on stable without recompilation :p |
| 00:09.40 | TCW | PerfDave, so far... ack |
| 00:09.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: for a asshole.. per say.. me. Might steal it..! hahahahha! LOSER! |
| 00:09.58 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 00:10.06 | Dragon-Eater | -_^ |
| 00:10.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ;) Jkin.. but that's pimp.. and I probably will steal it once I fugre a use for it.. |
| 00:10.25 | TwistedEmotions | *figure |
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| 00:11.57 | oax | wyzard - works great. thanks! |
| 00:12.29 | oax | is this conversion to xorg automatic or does it require some work? |
| 00:12.37 | TCW | Wyzard, you don't get the point... I can install egroupware from sid if I want and it works... so far for the theory... I want to pin egroupware to unstable because I want it to be upgraded as soon as there is a new version in sid. Remember... just php. no binary foo |
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| 00:14.09 | Dragon-Eater | Yo guys, how can i configure proftpd to allow NO uploads or changes but do allow downloads in /home/nonpub but i still would like to keep /home/www full editable by those who have access to that? Anyone able to help me with this? |
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| 00:15.05 | pepsi | is there an easy graphical nfs/samba setup utility? |
| 00:15.30 | pepsi | i have shares-admin on ubuntu, which is in gnome-system-tools, but gnome-system-tools doesnt include that in debian... in stable anyhow |
| 00:15.43 | togusa | helllo can anyone give me a good tutroial on how to dual boot windows 98 through debian? |
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| 00:17.21 | chipdalf | pepsi: for samba there was swat, i think |
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| 00:17.38 | jcole | pepsi: jcole@jcdebian-p4:~$ apt-file search shares-admin |
| 00:17.38 | jcole | pepsi: gnome-system-tools: usr/bin/shares-admin |
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| 00:17.43 | sadfgg | How can I do this?: echo $"$cfg['Servers'][$i]['auth_type'] = 'config';" | sed -i 's|config|http|' file |
| 00:17.46 | tbx | daedalus_: any ideas? |
| 00:17.56 | jcole | pepsi: it's also in my gnome menus |
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| 00:18.11 | pepsi | jcole, interesting... with stable or testing? |
| 00:18.16 | jcole | pepsi: sid |
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| 00:18.28 | Eonn_ | pepsi what do you need to do? |
| 00:18.36 | jcole | pepsi: you need gnome >= 2.10 |
| 00:18.38 | kendall_ | hey, if i want to add multiple users to a group, do I just do this in /etc/group? |
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| 00:18.41 | kendall_ | audio:x:29:jcarr,kendall |
| 00:18.45 | pepsi | Eonn_, i just want to setup a share easily |
| 00:18.46 | kendall_ | is that correct? |
| 00:18.51 | Nebulous | arg. kerberos is evil. |
| 00:18.56 | Eonn_ | just add a couple of lines in your smb.conf |
| 00:19.05 | kendall_ | is it correct? |
| 00:19.06 | daedalus_ | tbx: hmmmm |
| 00:19.20 | Eonn_ | can you use vi |
| 00:19.23 | Dragon-Eater | Yo guys, how can i configure proftpd to allow NO uploads or changes but do allow downloads in /home/nonpub but i still would like to keep /home/www full editable by those who have access to that? |
| 00:19.29 | jcole | pepsi: it's not rocket science to add/remove shares in samba smb.conf |
| 00:19.36 | pepsi | Eonn_, no, but i can use nano :D |
| 00:19.51 | kendall_ | is it correct to add multiple users to a group by editing /etc/group like this? audio:x:29:jcarr,kendall |
| 00:20.01 | daedalus_ | tbx: did you change your kernel version or anything? |
| 00:20.04 | FieldySnuts | yes, but use vigr to edit the file safely |
| 00:20.09 | pepsi | jcole, ok.. ill do that then.. just wanted to see why i didnt have shares-admin |
| 00:20.11 | kendall_ | how can I make the changes to take effect? |
| 00:20.19 | Dragon-Eater | Can someone help me please? |
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| 00:20.49 | FieldySnuts | Dragon-Eater: #proftpd probably can (if they are not eternally idle), i would also recommend the proftp-user mailing list (info on their home page), it is quite active |
| 00:20.59 | jcole | pepsi: swat is pretty easy also |
| 00:21.13 | Dragon-Eater | yeah but FieldySnuts i only am here for 1 more day |
| 00:21.20 | FieldySnuts | shrug. |
| 00:21.21 | Dragon-Eater | and after that im gone on vacation for 14 days |
| 00:21.22 | Eonn_ | pepsi: is the machine your trying to access a server or just another machine on the network |
| 00:21.24 | jcole | pepsi: apt-get install swat |
| 00:21.32 | Dragon-Eater | so i really hope to get some help now ;-) |
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| 00:21.39 | pepsi | Eonn_, network |
| 00:21.44 | Dragon-Eater | and i tried already in #proftpd |
| 00:21.56 | chipdalf | kendall_: the changes will take effect if you log in the next time with the added user. |
| 00:22.02 | pepsi | i want to setup a share on my debian box |
| 00:22.06 | tbx | daedalus_: prior to the error, no. I was running 2.6.8-2-k7 since immediately after installation [this system is only about two weeks old]. Trying to fix the error, I have installed the 686 version, as well as "reverting" to the i386 verison. |
| 00:22.07 | pepsi | so i can access it from my laptop |
| 00:22.07 | Nebulous | i don't suppose a kerberos expert has logged in here since the last time I asked? |
| 00:22.28 | tbx | daedalus_: error exists in all three. |
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| 00:22.39 | Wise | hello |
| 00:22.53 | Wise | i dotn have debian problems... but i have a problem with windows! |
| 00:22.56 | daedalus_ | tbx: so, one day you sat down at the machine, and it was retarded? |
| 00:22.59 | FieldySnuts | experts are usualy paid |
| 00:23.20 | chipdalf | Wise: shure you got the right channel? *fg* |
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| 00:23.22 | Wise | i got new speakers (logitech x-530), and only the front left/right, and the sub are playing. |
| 00:23.25 | Eonn_ | pepsi |
| 00:23.26 | daedalus_ | Wise: wtf.... this is a debian channel.... go ask in #windows |
| 00:23.26 | tbx | daedalus_: that's what it /seems/ to be. of course, the "truth" is that something got changed, yes? I just have absolutely no idea what it could be. |
| 00:23.31 | Eonn_ | pepsi: go to #flood |
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| 00:23.39 | plopp | Wise: #windows |
| 00:23.48 | FieldySnuts | ~permasunday |
| 00:23.49 | daedalus_ | Wise: that's too bad. I hope you get it fixed |
| 00:23.51 | pdragon | hello, new to debian and linux and having problems getting sound to work (stable 3.1, kernal 2.4.27-2-386). anyone spare some time? |
| 00:23.51 | Wise | but its a hardware issue |
| 00:23.54 | Wise | not the OS |
| 00:23.57 | FieldySnuts | WHICH IS NOT A DEBIAN ISSUE SO GO AWAY |
| 00:24.01 | Nebulous | debian is an os, not hardware |
| 00:24.02 | FieldySnuts | christ what the hell is going on in here today |
| 00:24.02 | plopp | Wise: but this is debian channel |
| 00:24.07 | daedalus_ | tbx: hmm.... |
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| 00:24.27 | daedalus_ | tbx: did it go stupid while running, or on reboot? |
| 00:24.29 | chipdalf | pdragon: just ask... |
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| 00:24.39 | FieldySnuts | we are not mean by default, we are mean when people are morons. |
| 00:24.42 | tbx | daedalus_: upon reboot. |
| 00:24.47 | FieldySnuts | that ends up being more than you'd expect |
| 00:25.00 | daedalus_ | tbx: Did you reboot because the machine freaked, or just a normal event? |
| 00:25.14 | tbx | daedalus_: normal event. |
| 00:25.30 | pdragon | when starting KDE, i get the message "Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (no such device). The sound server will continue, usuing the null output device" |
| 00:25.33 | daedalus_ | tbx: Ok, so I'm going to set aside the notion that your hardware is borked somehow. |
| 00:25.49 | tbx | daedalus_: ... and what is normal about rebooting a linux box? removing a hard drive. |
| 00:26.20 | daedalus_ | tbx: Heh. Have you tried re-installing the hd? |
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| 00:26.36 | tbx | daedalus_: the drive in question )1) works perfectly with a variety of bootable CDs - including a certain bootable distro tohd=/dev/hda3 and then happily ripped a CD to test. |
| 00:27.07 | tbx | daedalus_: )2) I pulled the optical drive in question and took it in to work. Works lovely. |
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| 00:27.29 | tbx | daedalus_: as a matter of fact, yes, all HDs are back into their original place. |
| 00:28.22 | daedalus_ | tbx: ok. Good to know... Hrmm... You are using the stock debian 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:28.32 | tbx | daedalus_: I was hairtearing about this until I found the reference to add "acpi=off" to my boot menu. With that, the drive works now, but my HD I/O is floe-slow. |
| 00:29.07 | tbx | daedalus_: yes, stock apt-[gotten] 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 00:29.17 | zope3Headache | quit |
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| 00:31.12 | NiklasH_work | hi, anyone got some experience with point'n'click printer drivers in samba? |
| 00:31.33 | Nebulous | okay, for future reference. if you enter your FQDN as the hostname (not just the machine name) during debian setup, and try to install a kerberos server, you will have trouble as it maps you FQDN to 127.0.0.1 and if you don't have a reverse lookup for 127.0.0.1 to your FDQN |
| 00:31.38 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.44 | Nebulous | just thought you should know. |
| 00:32.04 | NiklasH_work | i get the driver to install, but when i try to initialize the printer settings i get a protection fault in explorer on the win client |
| 00:32.07 | daedalus_ | tbx: what does hdparm -t say about the hd? |
| 00:32.23 | tbx | green_earz: are my eyes going to bleed reading man hdparm, or do you have a suggestion? :) |
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| 00:33.05 | Nebulous | now if I could just figure out why it isn't actually listening on port 88... |
| 00:33.15 | daedalus_ | tbx: if you just run hdparm on the drive, it should tell you what modes it is/is not in.... |
| 00:33.17 | tbx | daedalus_: heh. "bash: hdparm: command not found" ... apting. |
| 00:33.18 | Nebulous | it has it open, but the STATE in netstat is blank. |
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| 00:33.47 | tbx | daedalus_: woooo, just the act of apting hdparm is causing the machine to choke! |
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| 00:34.02 | tbx | daedalus_: ....stutter. |
| 00:34.23 | tbx | daedalus_: " Timing buffered disk reads: read() failed: Input/output error" |
| 00:34.26 | daedalus_ | yikes |
| 00:34.30 | green_earz | tbx: have look at > http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html |
| 00:35.08 | tbx | green_earz: /sweet/! |
| 00:35.12 | green_earz | np |
| 00:35.22 | peritus_ | how do i change the default terminal? |
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| 00:35.38 | De_Mon | peritus_ huh? |
| 00:35.57 | De_Mon | peritus_ start on F4 instead of F1? |
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| 00:36.03 | Kitty-Kun | hi |
| 00:36.04 | Kitty-Kun | I'm back |
| 00:36.08 | Kitty-Kun | so |
| 00:36.12 | Kitty-Kun | i have x working now |
| 00:36.19 | Nebulous | congrats |
| 00:36.22 | Kitty-Kun | um... |
| 00:36.23 | peritus_ | i want Eterm to start instead of xterm in gnome |
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| 00:36.29 | Kitty-Kun | what drivers should I use now? |
| 00:36.36 | De_Mon | ooh |
| 00:36.40 | Kitty-Kun | b/c 800 x 600 isn't cutting it |
| 00:36.43 | mohohaha | 1MB equals how much bps? |
| 00:36.50 | daedalus_ | tbx: um... |
| 00:36.57 | shingouz | !tell Kitty-Kun about drxx |
| 00:37.01 | tbx | daedalus_: yes? |
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| 00:37.16 | De_Mon | mohohaha 1024*1024*8 |
| 00:37.28 | daedalus_ | ok, so the kernel is choking on the read() call... that's not good. |
| 00:37.40 | Kitty-Kun | WHAT DRIVERS SHOULD I USE NOW? |
| 00:37.41 | tbx | deadcat: yeah. I tried it again, this time with something in the drive [duhr].. " Timing buffered disk reads: read(2097152) returned 1810432 bytes" |
| 00:37.45 | De_Mon | peritus_ did you install eterm? |
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| 00:37.58 | peritus_ | De_Mon: yes |
| 00:38.01 | stew | Kitty-Kun: radeon, don't shout |
| 00:38.10 | green_earz | mohohaha: 8*1012 = 8096 |
| 00:38.12 | De_Mon | so now you right-click and pick eterm from the menu |
| 00:38.16 | daedalus_ | stew: ignore him. He doesn't take advice. |
| 00:38.19 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: the same driver you have ther. and stop shouting for fucks sake |
| 00:38.38 | Kitty-Kun | um |
| 00:38.39 | Kitty-Kun | no |
| 00:38.43 | De_Mon | peritus_ maybe you're talking about a key binding? |
| 00:38.46 | Kitty-Kun | i mean |
| 00:38.55 | stew | Kitty-Kun: stop hitting enter so much, please |
| 00:38.57 | Kitty-Kun | what driver should i change it to so that it goes above 800x600? |
| 00:39.13 | stew | Kitty-Kun: i told you, radeon |
| 00:39.19 | Kitty-Kun | you're sure? |
| 00:39.20 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: stew just told you |
| 00:39.31 | Kitty-Kun | that wasn't a choice when i went i set it up >.> |
| 00:39.32 | Kitty-Kun | why? |
| 00:39.36 | Kitty-Kun | i'm just wondering |
| 00:39.48 | daedalus_ | tbx: oh, try clocking your harddisk, not the optical drive |
| 00:39.53 | tbx | daedalus_: what's the relationship between IRQ erros, acpi being on or off, and hdparm? When the drive /wasn't/ working, the disk I/O was fine. |
| 00:40.05 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: are you really that annoying in person too? what the fsck is that >.> shit you pull off all the time? |
| 00:40.14 | Kitty-Kun | BAD HABIT |
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| 00:40.18 | stew | Kitty-Kun: you can use the ati driver |
| 00:40.24 | Kitty-Kun | you're SURE? |
| 00:40.30 | Kitty-Kun | b/c it never worked before |
| 00:40.32 | stew | Kitty-Kun: i'm positive, it works on my 9200se |
| 00:40.32 | Kitty-Kun | then again |
| 00:40.36 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: stop shouting please. |
| 00:40.39 | tbx | daedalus_: hdparm -t /dev/hda - Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.11 seconds = 1.93 MB/sec |
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| 00:40.47 | tbx | daedalus_: low/eeezy/ that's slow! |
| 00:40.48 | daedalus_ | tbx: Not exactly sure. My mobo-level foo isn't that good yet. |
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| 00:40.52 | Kitty-Kun | if it fails I can always switch back, huh? |
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| 00:40.57 | shingouz | yes |
| 00:41.01 | stew | Kitty-Kun: yeah, just dpkg-reconfigure xsever-xfree86 again |
| 00:41.06 | Kitty-Kun | Yep |
| 00:41.12 | Kitty-Kun | i wish i had known that earlier |
| 00:41.16 | Kitty-Kun | i can use the normal ati driver? |
| 00:41.28 | shingouz | radeon Kitty-Kun. radeon |
| 00:41.45 | Kitty-Kun | IT'S NOT LISTEN |
| 00:41.48 | Kitty-Kun | LISTED* |
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| 00:42.03 | stew | Kitty-Kun: why are you shouting? |
| 00:42.03 | sussudio | !aolify Kitty-Kun |
| 00:42.04 | daedalus_ | tbx: eep... Did you somehow manage to put the drives on the same setting? (have you tried taking them off 'Cable Select' and individually setting Master/Slave?) |
| 00:42.13 | Kitty-Kun | b/c you won't listen to me otherwise |
| 00:42.18 | Nebulous | please stop using caps Kitty-Kun, it's pissing people off even more |
| 00:42.19 | sussudio | !b/c |
| 00:42.19 | dpkg | b/c is probably because, and mind you we are not aol! See u, ne1. |
| 00:42.29 | stew | Kitty-Kun: if you continue shouting fewer people will listen to you |
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| 00:42.38 | Kitty-Kun | please |
| 00:42.39 | reind_ | Anyone know what package includes "unrar" or some other rar decompressor ? |
| 00:42.44 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: you are the one with the listening problem. now please stop being an asshole |
| 00:42.46 | sussudio | !unrar |
| 00:42.46 | dpkg | it has been said that unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 00:42.55 | findme | reind, packages.debian.org |
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| 00:43.05 | Kitty-Kun | would you like a list of the ones that ARE available to me? |
| 00:43.22 | sussudio | pasteflood = ban |
| 00:43.23 | shingouz | no. bye-bye Kitty-Kun |
| 00:43.29 | Kitty-Kun | What? |
| 00:43.34 | Kitty-Kun | I'm trying to give you information |
| 00:43.38 | Kitty-Kun | you keep telling me radeon |
| 00:43.41 | Kitty-Kun | it's not listed |
| 00:43.43 | Kitty-Kun | there's ati |
| 00:43.46 | Kitty-Kun | there's vga |
| 00:43.48 | Kitty-Kun | no radeon |
| 00:43.51 | tbx | daedalus_: since cable select often gives me problems, I *always* do them manually. However, a caveat is that the CDR/DVD drive in question is a /slimline/ - with no jumpers. It's master, end of story. |
| 00:43.56 | findme | reind,http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/unrar |
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| 00:44.09 | Kitty-Kun | ok? |
| 00:44.11 | Kitty-Kun | really |
| 00:44.18 | Kitty-Kun | I'm just a bit angry today |
| 00:44.23 | Kitty-Kun | just bear with me |
| 00:44.24 | Kitty-Kun | please |
| 00:44.27 | tbx | daedalus_: so, it's /dev/hdc and nowhere else. /dev/hdd is not plugged in, so there should be no conflict? |
| 00:44.31 | reind_ | findme odd b/c i did an apt-get install unrar (and apt-cache search unrar and it's not seeing it.) |
| 00:44.34 | rumpl | Kitty-Kun, emacs /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, in the section "Device" -> Driver "radeon" and you'll see it works |
| 00:44.36 | daedalus_ | tbx: Hmm... Does the BIOS detect all the drives in the proper place and note their sizes properly? |
| 00:44.39 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Kitty-Kun about enter. |
| 00:44.46 | shingouz | rumpl: no! |
| 00:44.51 | daedalus_ | tbx: there shouldn't be. |
| 00:44.52 | tbx | daedalus_: yes, and with lightning speed too. |
| 00:44.58 | rumpl | shingouz, no? |
| 00:45.02 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: dpkg-reconfigure, not the emacs stuff |
| 00:45.06 | Kitty-Kun | merp? |
| 00:45.07 | Kitty-Kun | emacs? |
| 00:45.08 | findme | reind, do apt-get update i guess |
| 00:45.13 | rumpl | shingouz, why???? |
| 00:45.15 | shingouz | !tell rumpl about drxx |
| 00:45.24 | Kitty-Kun | what am i supposed to do? |
| 00:45.43 | stew | Kitty-Kun: how many times do you have to be asked to stop hitting enter so much? its really annoying people. |
| 00:45.43 | Kitty-Kun | I'm sorry |
| 00:45.46 | daedalus_ | tbx: Hrmm... Well, we're well on our way to leaving me fresh out of ideas. |
| 00:45.52 | reind_ | findme did |
| 00:45.58 | shingouz | try the frigging ati then Kitty-Kun |
| 00:46.00 | rumpl | shingouz, if Kitty-Kun has only the problem with the driver why should he dpkg... always??? |
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| 00:46.06 | daedalus_ | tbx: So, I take it you are using std IDE stuff, adn not SATA |
| 00:46.07 | findme | reind, download the package and then dpkg -i it |
| 00:46.08 | tbx | daedalus_: awexome. honestly, though, it makes /me/ feel less stupid. |
| 00:46.08 | findme | :)) |
| 00:46.10 | chipdalf | can anyone tell me why apache2 does not list directories with .htacces-files in it? |
| 00:46.15 | tbx | daedalus_: all IDE. |
| 00:46.19 | shingouz | rumpl: yes. or dpkg cannot reconfigure it anymore |
| 00:46.21 | Kitty-Kun | please, explain what you meant about that |
| 00:46.38 | Kitty-Kun | is there something else on here that's not listen under xserver-xfree86? |
| 00:46.39 | rumpl | shingouz, of course it can... |
| 00:46.58 | shingouz | rumpl: you think so? have you been listening to him? |
| 00:46.59 | stew | Kitty-Kun: no |
| 00:47.01 | daedalus_ | tbx: If you leave acpi in the HD slow-ass monkey state, and then remove the optical drive from the chain, what happens? |
| 00:47.02 | tbx | daedalus_: hda, hdb [plugged in but not in use], hdc [optical], and then hd[e-h] are on a pci-ide card. |
| 00:47.12 | Kitty-Kun | well then |
| 00:47.17 | tbx | daedalus_: I'd have to reboot to see. |
| 00:47.21 | Kitty-Kun | what should i do? try the ati drivers? |
| 00:47.22 | rumpl | shingouz, a little, why |
| 00:47.29 | stew | Kitty-Kun: yes |
| 00:47.34 | Kitty-Kun | ok |
| 00:47.43 | Kitty-Kun | if those don't work, would the vga work? |
| 00:47.48 | daedalus_ | tbx: well, I think I'm to that point. See you in a bit? |
| 00:47.54 | stew | Kitty-Kun: yes, but only at svga resolution == 800x600 |
| 00:48.09 | reind_ | findme will do, thx |
| 00:48.16 | Kitty-Kun | is there a way to install the radeon driver? |
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| 00:48.20 | Garabuyo | hi |
| 00:48.23 | shingouz | rumpl: looks to me like he is unable to go with any directions. hacking the config is going to be a pain in the ass on the channel and when he finally manages to hack it and has to drxx it.. i do not want to think about it |
| 00:48.25 | Garabuyo | i make backup of /var/lib/mysql/* and reinstall linux, now i copy backup to /var/lib/mysql.. but how i refresh tables in bbdd? |
| 00:48.29 | stew | Kitty-Kun: yes, but try the ati one first |
| 00:48.32 | tbx | daedalus_: wishinate me luck. |
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| 00:48.38 | Kitty-Kun | ok |
| 00:48.40 | Kitty-Kun | i will |
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| 00:49.28 | reind_ | findme actually, just realized i didnt have non-free in my sources.list |
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| 00:49.40 | findme | reind_, ah |
| 00:49.41 | tug | sorry |
| 00:49.56 | tug | it's asking me to enter an identifier for my video card |
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| 00:50.13 | stew | tug: unless you are on a mac or have 2 cards you can leave it blank |
| 00:51.02 | daedalus_ | holy-mother-of-god.. Kitty-Kun is once again gone... |
| 00:51.14 | shingouz | thank $deity |
| 00:51.19 | tug | Blank? the default is Generic Video Card |
| 00:51.29 | Nebulous | i think you must embrace the inner noob in everyone |
| 00:51.52 | stew | tug: i'm sorry, i thought you were talking about busid |
| 00:52.04 | tug | this is kitty-kun |
| 00:52.05 | stew | tug: that is just a place to make somehting up, like "my ati card" |
| 00:52.11 | tug | Really? |
| 00:52.14 | daedalus_ | Nebulous: total noobs don't refuse to read the "how to ask smart questions" page... they may not follow it, but they at least read it usually.... |
| 00:52.14 | stew | tug: yes |
| 00:52.18 | rumpl | I havent seen the conversation with Kitty, was he really such a pain in the ass?? |
| 00:52.28 | tug | Yes i was |
| 00:52.51 | rumpl | oups |
| 00:52.52 | daedalus_ | rumpl: yes, yes he was... |
| 00:53.05 | Nebulous | i haven't read the how to ask smart questions page |
| 00:53.17 | Nebulous | how do i ask a smart question? |
| 00:53.36 | shingouz | Nebulous: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 00:53.45 | shingouz | at least i think that is what the factoid was |
| 00:53.52 | Nebulous | once again, oreilly comes to my rescue |
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| 00:54.03 | shingouz | o'reilly roxx0rs |
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| 00:54.06 | daedalus_ | !tell Nebulous about smart questions |
| 00:54.07 | Nebulous | the oreilly ldap book is putting me to sleep, but the kerberos one is damn useful |
| 00:54.16 | tug | um |
| 00:54.17 | gravity | Unix Power Tools++ |
| 00:54.27 | tug | how do i unlock it? I got screwed up |
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| 00:54.40 | tug | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 00:54.53 | stew | tug: you have to kill the other dpkg-reconfigure you started |
| 00:54.57 | awj | So, I recently started getting the following error: Bad page state at free_hot_cold_page |
| 00:55.02 | awj | Anyone know what that means? |
| 00:55.11 | Nebulous | no, but it sounds painful |
| 00:55.22 | nono31 | where can I find kde themes debian packages? |
| 00:55.28 | Nebulous | where is the error showing up? |
| 00:55.34 | awj | I'm beginning to think that my hardware is going bad, but I did a badblock scan on the hard drive, and that turned up nothing. |
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| 00:56.02 | awj | Its a kernel message. It shows up on every console, and in the output of dmesg. |
| 00:56.40 | daedalus_ | awj: possibly a memory problem. have you tried running memtest86? |
| 00:56.50 | deja_vu | hi, i'm using an Elsa Winner 2000 with the glint driver and keep getting weird display errors, esp. with GTK2 apps: http://himbeere.shacknet.nu/kram/wuschel.png - Any ideas? |
| 00:56.51 | awj | There's a backtrace along with it in the dmesg output, and it seems to originate with kswapd |
| 00:57.03 | tug | is there a way to backtrack in dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 00:57.05 | awj | Yeah, I've run memtest on it overnight, and it showed no errors. |
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| 00:58.12 | nono31 | Someone knows if there is debian packages of kde themes? |
| 00:58.30 | Jon_PB__ | is there any way using 'ps aux' to isolate the pid of a given program? by piping it through something else? I just need to be able to get just the pid for a script im writing |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | nono31: apt-cache search |
| 00:58.49 | rumpl | tug, what is your problem, paste somewhere your output of the lspci command an of the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
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| 00:59.10 | abrotman | Jon_PB__: what given program? |
| 00:59.11 | tug | i have a ps/2 mouse |
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| 00:59.19 | awj | Jon_PB__: | grep yourprogname |
| 00:59.28 | tug | what should I select for the first mouse question? |
| 00:59.33 | rumpl | good for you tug.. |
| 00:59.43 | stew | !devinputmice |
| 00:59.43 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. Sometimes you need to `modprobe mousedev`. It doesn't always take care of itself. ;-) |
| 00:59.58 | Jon_PB__ | awj: that returns the whole line though, I need just the pid |
| 01:00.11 | nono31 | abrotman: well, except the one in the default apt list of course. ;-) |
| 01:00.19 | abrotman | nono31: apt-get.org ? |
| 01:00.33 | abrotman | Jon_PB__: yes .. do you know how to use awk ? |
| 01:00.36 | nono31 | abrotman: will checj this... |
| 01:00.55 | awj | Jon_PB__: Assuming you're using uax, then | awk -- '{print $2}' |
| 01:01.39 | stew | Jon_PB__: try pidof |
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| 01:02.14 | stew | Jon_PB__: or pgrep |
| 01:02.17 | awj | Hm...you learn something new every day :-) |
| 01:02.20 | tbx | daedalus_: heh. I am not crazy. I am not crazy. I am not crazy..... |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | stew: too easy! .. he should learn some awk |
| 01:02.49 | daedalus_ | tbx: Heh, what now? |
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| 01:03.11 | stew | abrotman: true, true |
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| 01:03.12 | daedalus_ | tbx: it just clear up? |
| 01:03.18 | tbx | daedalus_: rebooted sans "acpi=off". All works fine. Optical works, drives hdparm by default to faster settings. I do not know WTH happened. but it's working now. |
| 01:03.18 | NeoFax99 | Anyone know how to setup a relayhost in postfix? |
| 01:03.43 | abrotman | you mean smarthost ? |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | NeoFax99: ask #postfix .. or www.postfix.org has documents for that |
| 01:04.20 | tbx | daedalus_: ... although I did notice about thirty "APIC error on CPU0: 00(40)" in a row. |
| 01:04.23 | daedalus_ | tbx: freaky. Kind of disappointing though. Would have been interesting to know the concrete solution. Did you change any of the hardware, or just plug/unplug? |
| 01:04.25 | meff | can someone help me out on this mysql-server startup socket error? here's the paste from syslog.. |
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| 01:04.26 | paster | "meff" at 66.143.166.94 pasted "mysql no socket" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/434 |
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| 01:04.51 | tbx | deadcat: actually, to begin with I just rebooted so I could watch very carefully again what was happening. |
| 01:04.54 | Jon_PB__ | abrotman: I do need to learn awk |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | is mysql running ? |
| 01:05.07 | tbx | deadcat: sorry. slightly dyslexic. |
| 01:05.09 | abrotman | Jon_PB__: yes .. you do .. man awk |
| 01:05.19 | tbx | daedalus_: saw what I accidentally said to deadcat? |
| 01:05.24 | Xenguy | Jon_PB__: sometimes 'cut' works in a pinch, depending |
| 01:05.24 | meff | abrotman: nope.. fails with what i pasted |
| 01:05.25 | daedalus_ | tbx: s'ok.. I see it |
| 01:05.34 | abrotman | meff: firewall ? |
| 01:05.52 | meff | abrotman: i use firehol.. dont see how that could effect it though.. |
| 01:05.52 | Sebulba02 | hey, I'm reinstalling sarge after a disk failure and have multiple LVM partitions setup on another disk. Is it possible to just activate these partitions from the setup without formatting them or do I need to find another way of activating them? |
| 01:05.54 | tbx | daedalus_: yes, I would have rather fixed the problem, as opposed to forestalled or temporarily avoided... |
| 01:06.05 | abrotman | meff: it should just be sockets .. but i'm not a mysql user .. |
| 01:06.09 | abrotman | well . i try not to be |
| 01:06.14 | abrotman | it's bad for my health |
| 01:06.37 | abrotman | meff: sarge ? |
| 01:06.41 | meff | hehe np.. just wondering what messed up.. the only thing i did is update to 2.6.12 and now this.. how could it be related? |
| 01:06.44 | daedalus_ | tbx: Huh. Well... cool? ;) If I see anything about that problem later, I'll keep it in mind... |
| 01:07.03 | tbx | daedalus_: yes, thank you very much for your assistance. I appreciate it very much. |
| 01:07.03 | daedalus_ | tbx: what mobo are you using? |
| 01:07.03 | abrotman | meff: no socket support ? .. did you compile the kernle ? |
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| 01:07.15 | tbx | daedalus_: asus a7n266-vm |
| 01:07.33 | stew | meff: is mysql-server definately started? anything in the mysql logs? |
| 01:07.33 | daedalus_ | tbx: no problem. Was a pleasure. |
| 01:07.35 | meff | abrotman: stock 2.6.12 on sid.. i know there will be breakage etc etc.. heh, but i see no bts reports on this |
| 01:07.43 | meff | s/stock/debian pkg/ |
| 01:07.58 | meff | stew: no, it is not started, this is the syslog error |
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| 01:09.07 | abrotman | meff: might want to ask #mysql the typical cause .. then if they can tell you .. we might be able to tell you how to fix it |
| 01:09.18 | Jon_PB__ | awj: ok piping through awk works great, now is it possible using 'ps aux | grep programname' to only return instances of that programname running with certain arguments? |
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| 01:09.34 | abrotman | Jon_PB__: grep ... you might want to try #bash |
| 01:09.49 | awj | Jon_PB__: didn't you see the other suggestions? Try pidof. |
| 01:10.04 | meff | abrotman: will do, thanks |
| 01:10.05 | ricky_clarkson | !do the abrotman |
| 01:10.15 | tbx | daedalus_: last question - would it be appropriate for certain hdparm tweaks to be left off if said drive is "out" on a pci-ide card? This time around, hdparm settings on "directly connected" drives have all the suggested tweaks according to the link green_ears provided.... but the drives on the adapter don't. Is that a safety precaution, or an oversignt? |
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| 01:10.34 | tracysun | hi,all |
| 01:10.44 | stew | Jon_PB__: awk '/patter/{print $2}' |
| 01:10.50 | stew | !awk cheetsheet |
| 01:10.54 | stew | where is that |
| 01:11.07 | awj | Jon_PB__: But you could do ps uax | grep yourprogname | awk -- '{ print $2 }' |
| 01:11.13 | stew | !awk cheets |
| 01:11.13 | bigfishwink | whats the dpkg command for setting up x? |
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| 01:11.21 | stew | !awk cheats |
| 01:11.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, awk cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 01:11.29 | abrotman | like awk is that hard .. jeez |
| 01:11.30 | stew | !drxx bigfishwink |
| 01:11.31 | dpkg | bigfishwink: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:11.42 | stew | bigfishwink: or do you mean /msg dpkg set up x |
| 01:12.25 | bigfishwink | thats it stew |
| 01:12.27 | bigfishwink | ty |
| 01:12.28 | meff | abrotman: it seems to choke on the "old_passwords = 1" line in my.cnf .. which has a caption of "For compatibility to other Debian packages that still use libmysqlclient10 and libmysqlclient12" .. ring a bell? if not, i'll go diggin deeper in a bit |
| 01:12.30 | awj | Or stew's suggestion. He seems to have a better handle on the whole brevity thing than I do. |
| 01:13.08 | tracysun | when i stalled jtag,i run make get"all-recursive] error " ,how can do |
| 01:13.08 | abrotman | meff: yeah .. rings a bell .. /me digs around in his head .. oh yeah .. mysql sucks :) |
| 01:13.13 | stew | what he really wants is pgrep |
| 01:13.15 | meff | abrotman: lol |
| 01:13.30 | abrotman | meff: do you need both libmsysql client thingies ? |
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| 01:14.05 | meff | abrotman: hmm, dunno.. well i'll comment that line and see what happens ;) |
| 01:14.25 | stew | i'm wondering if installing sid's 2.6.12 package on sarge was a bright idea in the first place |
| 01:14.36 | stew | dunno though |
| 01:14.42 | meff | im on sid stew |
| 01:15.15 | abrotman | i'm on stew sid |
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| 01:15.31 | meff | up'd from testing.. and it went pretty well.. i was quite happy of that ;) |
| 01:15.32 | daedalus_ | tbx: probably an oversight. PCI plugin cards shouldn't be any different from the onboard IDE bus. |
| 01:15.47 | tbx | daedalus_: okay. thanks again. will go play [carefully]. |
| 01:15.56 | daedalus_ | tbx: Yep. np |
| 01:16.10 | stew | meff: oh sorry i thought i saw sarge |
| 01:16.15 | stew | meff: did you check the bts? |
| 01:16.23 | meff | yep stew |
| 01:16.34 | meff | ok, commented that line, it starts up now.. gonna test it now. |
| 01:16.39 | stew | !dbugs 320869 |
| 01:16.43 | dpkg | #320869:I[mysql-server] mysqld will not start with old_passwords=1 in conf file Tue, 2 Aug 2005 01:03:07 UTC |
| 01:16.52 | meff | shit |
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| 01:16.57 | meff | i must've missed it |
| 01:16.58 | tracysun | when i run "make",and got "all-recursive error",how to solve it |
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| 01:17.28 | meff | lol stew thanks.. i'll read it.. skimmed past too fast :/ |
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| 01:17.37 | tracysun | oh,anyone here |
| 01:17.58 | stew | tracysun: what are you trying to build? |
| 01:18.02 | abrotman | meff: shit indeed |
| 01:18.09 | tracysun | jtag |
| 01:18.10 | astronut | I'm trying to connect to my wifi network...it works fine when WEP is disabled, but when I enable wep, i can't connect...what am i doing wrong? |
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| 01:18.26 | tracysun | when i install jtag-0,5.1 |
| 01:18.29 | abrotman | astronut: your wep is misconfigured |
| 01:18.38 | astronut | abrotman: ya think? |
| 01:18.42 | abrotman | i do |
| 01:18.49 | astronut | i set the key, i set mode to open, etc |
| 01:18.58 | astronut | but wont' connect |
| 01:19.01 | abrotman | astronut: does it work in win32? |
| 01:19.03 | astronut | i checked router, it is set on open |
| 01:19.08 | astronut | abrotman: ya :-/ |
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| 01:19.16 | abrotman | astronut: does your driver support wep ? |
| 01:19.22 | tracysun | i run "make install",got "install-recursive error" |
| 01:19.24 | astronut | abrotman: i would think...it's ath_pci |
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| 01:19.34 | astronut | and iwconfig says it sets the key ok |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | atheros ? |
| 01:19.38 | astronut | ya |
| 01:19.40 | bigfishwink | is there a simpler dpkg-reconfigure script with less questions? |
| 01:19.48 | abrotman | astronut: did you try asking #madwifi ? |
| 01:20.00 | astronut | didn't know they were there, will ask |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | bigfishwink: you can make it have less questions .. but it's not that many |
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| 01:20.16 | bigfishwink | abrotman, how |
| 01:20.24 | bigfishwink | I don't know anything about this laptop |
| 01:20.38 | dondelelcaro | bigfishwink: set an apropriate priority using the -p option |
| 01:20.44 | abrotman | bigfishwink: man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:21.18 | dondelelcaro | bigfishwink: -p high; or -p medium; |
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| 01:21.24 | abrotman | !tell Solozerk about away |
| 01:21.25 | Xenguy | Solozerk: turn that off please |
| 01:21.33 | Solozerk | oh |
| 01:21.35 | Solozerk | i'm sorry |
| 01:21.43 | Solozerk | won't do it again |
| 01:21.46 | tug | why is apt-get so far behind? |
| 01:21.46 | abrotman | and you should be! |
| 01:21.53 | Xenguy | Solozerk: np |
| 01:21.56 | abrotman | so far behind what? |
| 01:21.59 | _nils | tug: far away behind what? |
| 01:22.03 | bigfishwink | thanks guys |
| 01:22.08 | tug | amarok is on version 1.2.4 i believe |
| 01:22.27 | abrotman | !info amarok sid |
| 01:22.29 | dpkg | amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5761 kB, Installed size: 10496 kB |
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| 01:22.33 | abrotman | looks fine to me |
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| 01:22.43 | tracysun | abrotman:when i run "make",got "all-recursive error" ,what's the problem |
| 01:23.02 | tug | am i doing something wrong? I used 'apt-get install amarok' |
| 01:23.06 | tug | what should i have done? |
| 01:23.11 | abrotman | apt-get update first |
| 01:23.17 | abrotman | tracysun: did you install build-essential ? |
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| 01:23.29 | tug | ok |
| 01:23.33 | tug | that didn't do anything |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | tug: what version of debian are you on ? |
| 01:23.58 | tracysun | i am not sure,what's build-essential |
| 01:24.00 | Monteiro | anyone knows which FS is the faster, reiserfs or ext3 ? |
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| 01:24.04 | tracysun | how to install it |
| 01:24.05 | bigfishwink | so it would be dpkg -p medium -reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 01:24.08 | abrotman | tracysun: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 01:24.20 | abrotman | bigfishwink: close .. dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium xserver-xfree86 |
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| 01:24.25 | stew | tug: what version do you have? |
| 01:24.28 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure .. is a command |
| 01:24.42 | rumpl | tug, what do you have in your sources.list |
| 01:24.49 | ghikla | how to tell if gtk is installed? |
| 01:24.49 | abrotman | stew: guess what .. riding back roads in the montgomery country country side is hard :) |
| 01:24.58 | abrotman | ghikla: dpkg -l | grep gtk |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | ghikla: look for ii lines |
| 01:25.13 | stew | abrotman: i did my first ride in weeks with the regular morning group today |
| 01:25.15 | huhcool | hey guys I am running testing ... i'm trying to compile stella and i'm getting an error that it can't find sdl-config ... where can I get sdl-config? is there a package for testing that I can get it from? |
| 01:25.16 | stew | abrotman: they made fun of me |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | stew: you were slow ? |
| 01:25.27 | stew | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:25.29 | Jon_PB__ | does Debian install well on SATA drives? I know Gentoo was a pain in the ass to get working |
| 01:25.32 | abrotman | huhcool: apt-cache search libsdl dev |
| 01:25.37 | ghikla | abrotman, thks, trying out now. |
| 01:25.38 | abrotman | huhcool: you want the -dev packages |
| 01:25.39 | stew | abrotman: and they were faster than the last time i rode with them by a bit |
| 01:25.42 | rumpl | ghikla, dpkg -l libgtk* |
| 01:25.44 | dondelelcaro | Jon_PB__: if the kernel supports your sata card, yes. |
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| 01:25.49 | abrotman | stew: you're getting old :) |
| 01:25.55 | stew | yup |
| 01:25.59 | stew | and fat |
| 01:26.04 | abrotman | stew: fat i doubt :) |
| 01:26.09 | mcshane | how do i figure out whether or not i have a package installed? (i dont want to just blindly 'apt-get' over it, so to speak) |
| 01:26.13 | tracysun | abrotman: i installed build-essential,but not worked |
| 01:26.21 | mcshane | i forget the dpkg command |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | stew: you weighing in at what now .. 175? |
| 01:26.27 | stew | +10 |
| 01:26.33 | abrotman | mcshane: dpkg -l packagename |
| 01:26.37 | mcshane | thanks |
| 01:26.38 | Xenguy | mcshane: dpkg -l pkgname |
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| 01:27.17 | mcshane | thanks guys.. |
| 01:27.18 | mcshane | later |
| 01:27.33 | abrotman | tracysun: paste the whole error for us .. /msg dpkg paste |
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| 01:27.40 | abrotman | stew: but you're 6'3 ? |
| 01:27.44 | tug | i don't know |
| 01:27.49 | tug | i did a netinstall |
| 01:28.04 | rumpl | tug, you don't know what? |
| 01:28.24 | SDFH_Linux | the packages that were making gaim not work in unstable working again? |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: look in your sources ... /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: try it ? |
| 01:28.41 | tracysun | here it is:make[2]: *** [cmd_detectflash.o] 错误 1 |
| 01:28.42 | tracysun | make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/jtag-0.5.1/libbrux' |
| 01:28.42 | tracysun | make[1]: *** [install-recursive] error 1 |
| 01:28.42 | tracysun | make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/jtag-0.5.1/libbrux' |
| 01:28.42 | tracysun | make: *** [install-recursive] error 1 |
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| 01:28.44 | Kitty-Kun | what am i looking for? |
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| 01:29.32 | drp | do a lot of debian users just use apt-get upgrade to update their packages? |
| 01:29.36 | ghikla | rumpl, there are many files, mostly un, with some ii. from these, how to know if gtk is installed? |
| 01:29.44 | rumpl | goto apt-get.org, search a package, look on what server you can find that pkg, add that server in your sources.list, apt-get update and finnaly apt-get install pkg, So tell me now, waht is your question |
| 01:29.48 | stew | drp: most probably |
| 01:30.06 | abrotman | tracysun: /msg dpkg paste .. like i told you before |
| 01:30.07 | drp | or do alot of people still like to install from source that run debian |
| 01:30.08 | rumpl | ghikla, you did dpkg -l libgtk*??/ |
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| 01:30.31 | abrotman | ghikla: you're looking for libgtk<something> |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | ghikla: what are you trying to do ? |
| 01:30.33 | SDFH_Linux | so gaim working yet i am not able to try it at the moment |
| 01:30.37 | drp | guess that's too general but ... |
| 01:30.41 | Kitty-Kun | somebody said to look at... something |
| 01:31.08 | rumpl | Kitty-Kun, what are you trying to do??? |
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| 01:31.44 | rumpl | ghikla, if dpkg says smt like this: ii libgtk1.2 1.2.10-17, then gtk is installed |
| 01:32.06 | Kitty-Kun | i don't know |
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| 01:32.08 | Kitty-Kun | i can't find it now |
| 01:32.20 | ghikla | abrotman, rumpl, it all started when i had problem to 'make' a glade project. the faq suggested a command 'gtk-config' but this is not recognised. leads me to wonder if gtk is installed. |
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| 01:32.36 | rumpl | Kitty-Kun, you are telling me you are doing smthing and you don't know what?? |
| 01:32.41 | chealer | SDFH_Linux: you need a crystal ball |
| 01:32.46 | Kitty-Kun | I'm trying to make it so that amarok updates to the latest version |
| 01:32.51 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 01:33.01 | abrotman | ghikla: it is .. you need libgtk .. uhm .. apt-cache search libgtk dev .. grab like .. libgtk2.0-dev or whatever it finds |
| 01:33.03 | rumpl | ghikla, apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 01:33.27 | tracysun | make: *** [install-recursive] error 1 |
| 01:33.29 | rumpl | Kitty-Kun, and what is the version you have? |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | tracysun: paste the whole error .. /msg dpkg paste .. DO NOT PASTE IN HERE |
| 01:34.25 | ghikla | abrotman, rumpl, ye sounds about right, i need that development package. will try to install now. |
| 01:34.35 | Kitty-Kun | i don't know how to check |
| 01:34.55 | rumpl | Kitty-Kun, man amarok, amarok --version, amarok -version |
| 01:35.10 | Kitty-Kun | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-k7 #1 Mon May 16 17:18:17 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:35.15 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 01:35.18 | Kitty-Kun | wait |
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| 01:35.27 | holycow | is mysql supposed to have an entry in /etc/init.d? |
| 01:35.31 | meff | isnt there some app i can run on an executable to see if its gcc 3.3.5/4/etc compiled? 'file' and 'ldd -v' dont seem to help |
| 01:35.36 | Kitty-Kun | should i update the kernel first? |
| 01:35.37 | abrotman | holycow: mysqlserver does i think |
| 01:35.43 | holycow | oh! |
| 01:35.46 | chealer | holycow: yes |
| 01:35.48 | holycow | danke |
| 01:36.24 | rumpl | Kitty-Kun, listen, open a term, you konw how to do that rigth... then type : amarok --version |
| 01:36.32 | abrotman | dpkg -l amarok ? |
| 01:36.32 | dpkg | ii amarok 2.9-1 abrotman's private porn collection |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 01:36.38 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 01:36.43 | Kitty-Kun | Qt: 3.3.4 |
| 01:36.43 | Kitty-Kun | KDE: 3.3.2 |
| 01:36.44 | Kitty-Kun | amaroK: 1.2.3 |
| 01:36.50 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:36.52 | shingouz | abrotman: i think you have just been had :p |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | he's running sarge .. |
| 01:36.58 | abrotman | shingouz: dpkg hates me |
| 01:37.00 | Kitty-Kun | what? |
| 01:37.08 | shingouz | abrotman: yea.. |
| 01:37.14 | abrotman | dpkg: you hate me |
| 01:37.22 | abrotman | dpkg: why do you hate me |
| 01:37.22 | dpkg | because you make me sick, abrotman |
| 01:37.25 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:37.29 | shingouz | haha |
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| 01:38.23 | Kitty-Kun | please help i'm really confused and yeah... please help me |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | you're running sarge ... |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | you get amarok 1.2.3 .. end of story |
| 01:38.44 | chealer | Kitty-Kun: what's your native language? |
| 01:38.55 | Kitty-Kun | english |
| 01:38.59 | abrotman | wait |
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| 01:39.13 | chealer | Kitty-Kun: hum, what's your question? what are you trying to do? |
| 01:39.20 | tracysun | abrotman:how to do it |
| 01:39.24 | abrotman | !qotd114 |
| 01:39.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 01:39.27 | daedalus_ | Oh god... Kitty-Kun is back |
| 01:39.29 | Kitty-Kun | there must be some way to update this |
| 01:39.40 | abrotman | tracysun: /msg dpkg paste .. he will tell you how to paste stuff so we can see it |
| 01:39.49 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: why does it matter? .. what's wrong with the one you have ? |
| 01:40.01 | Kitty-Kun | Um... i prefer being up to date |
| 01:40.02 | Kitty-Kun | ok? |
| 01:40.05 | Kitty-Kun | just tell meeeeeee |
| 01:40.22 | shingouz | Kitty-Kun: you are up to date |
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| 01:40.27 | plb | Kitty-Kun: compile it from source? |
| 01:40.30 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: you'd run unstable .. but given your apparently level of linux/debian knowledge . that's a bad idea |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | plb: DON"T SAY THAT |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | fucking ass |
| 01:40.45 | plb | why? |
| 01:41.01 | chealer | did plb make an habit of advising compilation? |
| 01:41.03 | shingouz | plb: because that usually breaks dpkg |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | because .. he can't even use dpkg .. are you going to fix his system when he fucks it up compiling shit? |
| 01:41.07 | cddesjar | anyone running kde3.4 running into many bugs? |
| 01:41.10 | daedalus_ | plb: because K-kun will... and we will be peppered with inane questions like "Why is it broke?" |
| 01:41.11 | abrotman | fucking ass |
| 01:41.15 | chealer | cddesjar: #debian-kde |
| 01:41.24 | Kitty-Kun | thanks |
| 01:41.27 | Kitty-Kun | you know |
| 01:41.31 | rumpl | anyone can tall me whats the name of the current testing version |
| 01:41.32 | dondelelcaro | plb: if you're willing to support Kitty-Kun yourself; go right ahead. Otherwise, that sort of advice leads to pain and suffering on everone's part. |
| 01:41.36 | dondelelcaro | rumpl: etch |
| 01:41.37 | Kitty-Kun | i was really excited about getting the fucking thing to run finally |
| 01:41.37 | shingouz | etch |
| 01:41.41 | Kitty-Kun | thanks for fucking that up |
| 01:41.42 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: we're trying to help you .. not have you compile stuff for fun :) |
| 01:41.46 | plb | dondelelcaro: ah well then sorry ;] |
| 01:41.50 | rumpl | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 01:41.53 | chealer | cddesjar: and that sentence would almost make sense if you'd s/?/. |
| 01:41.54 | maher | Kitty-Kun: why do you need 1.2.4? |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: when you go outside dpkg .. it makes a mess |
| 01:42.10 | abrotman | maher: he wants to be up to date |
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| 01:42.17 | Kitty-Kun | b/c i'm a fucking DEVELOPER! |
| 01:42.23 | daedalus_ | hahahahahahahah |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | of what ? |
| 01:42.28 | aaron | kitty,,,,, ? |
| 01:42.34 | rumpl | Kitty-Kun, you develop what??? |
| 01:42.39 | plb | amarok? |
| 01:42.43 | chealer | I heard there's a new sandbox project |
| 01:42.44 | rumpl | hehe |
| 01:42.46 | Kitty-Kun | AMAROK! |
| 01:43.03 | gravity | ... |
| 01:43.03 | Kitty-Kun | I'm the one who does graphics currently |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: are you really? or are you just being difficult? :) |
| 01:43.09 | Kitty-Kun | please |
| 01:43.17 | Kitty-Kun | i want it to be up to date |
| 01:43.19 | aaron | she's being cute |
| 01:43.22 | abrotman | maher: wait til your fingers get stubby from smacking keys |
| 01:43.23 | Kitty-Kun | O_O |
| 01:43.27 | Kitty-Kun | i'm... a guy |
| 01:43.57 | dondelelcaro | Kitty-Kun: well, your best bet is to get the source package by running apt-get source amarok; then getting your upstream source, and moving the debian directory over and recompiling. |
| 01:43.57 | tracysun | MSG dpkg paste |
| 01:43.57 | aaron | kitty is a woman |
| 01:44.06 | dondelelcaro | aaron: who cares? |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | aaron is not a nice guy |
| 01:44.21 | plb | shouldn't a amarok developer be using the 1.3 betas? |
| 01:44.25 | aaron | don; do you like kittens |
| 01:44.27 | Kitty-Kun | Yeah |
| 01:44.31 | gravity | Kitty-Kun: If you compile from source don't ask us for help. dondelelcaro's advice is best. |
| 01:44.31 | ghikla | being curious, what does amarok do? |
| 01:44.35 | rumpl | Kitty-Kun, listen, emacs or whatever editor you like /etc/apt/sources.list, end whenever you see stable, change it to unstable |
| 01:44.41 | dondelelcaro | Kitty-Kun: also, for mere development work, you typically just compile it locally. |
| 01:44.43 | gravity | ghikla: Media player. A really nice one actually. |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | !info amarok |
| 01:44.45 | dpkg | amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5761 kB, Installed size: 10496 kB |
| 01:44.47 | Kitty-Kun | ok thank you |
| 01:44.52 | Kitty-Kun | thank you very much |
| 01:44.56 | dondelelcaro | (without actually isntalling it) |
| 01:45.00 | shingouz | rumpl: are you going to support him on sid? |
| 01:45.04 | abrotman | he's going to end up needing newer libraries etc |
| 01:45.04 | ghikla | gravity, better than kaffeine? |
| 01:45.13 | gravity | ghikla: No idea |
| 01:45.17 | dondelelcaro | aaron: that has nothing what soever to do with #debian at all. |
| 01:45.19 | aaron | abrot.. im nice |
| 01:45.22 | rumpl | shingouz, well its fun no |
| 01:45.31 | Integral_ | um, sid is largely broken right now |
| 01:45.34 | abrotman | why is nicktab so hard ... |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: neither does anything else he said |
| 01:45.48 | gravity | It's not *that* bad any more |
| 01:45.48 | plb | i believe the amarok in unstable has some broken deps too |
| 01:45.55 | abrotman | Integral_: do you feel dirty ? |
| 01:46.02 | shingouz | abrotman: cuz it duz n0t wrk :p |
| 01:46.04 | Integral_ | heh |
| 01:46.10 | abrotman | Integral_: we'll be nice to you .. |
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| 01:46.33 | rumpl | well he wants to be up to date |
| 01:46.33 | Integral_ | abrotman: well, it's just a good thing I noticed before I started ranting about how developers ought to know this stuff ;-) |
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| 01:46.53 | abrotman | Integral_: it's ok .. we say that all the time in here ... :) |
| 01:46.56 | plb | amarok is nice and all but I'll wait for xmms2 =] |
| 01:46.57 | shingouz | rumpl: but i am not gooing to help him when sid borks his system |
| 01:46.58 | daedalus_ | Integral_: he really ought to know anyway |
| 01:47.05 | aaron | abrot.. i'll be cicil |
| 01:47.07 | tony | join /debianppc |
| 01:47.10 | aaron | civil |
| 01:47.11 | narg | Im changing to offical xorg from old, and somehow I got so x11-common and xorg-common conflict, and apt-get -f install does nothing, and even forcing with dpkg does nothing. Anything I can do? |
| 01:47.16 | abrotman | Integral_: i mean ... jeez .. have oyu seen the state of the xorg packages .. who does that work anyways .. |
| 01:47.20 | shingouz | aaron: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 01:47.28 | Integral_ | rumpl: yeah, but if someone wants to unstick his door I don't hand him a fizzing stick of dynamite.. |
| 01:47.28 | Kitty-Kun | did I use too old of an install cd or something? |
| 01:47.30 | rumpl | shingouz, im unstable and everything works fine |
| 01:47.39 | gravity | narg: There is no xorg-common in Debian |
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| 01:47.48 | shingouz | rumpl: so am i. i also know how to rtfm |
| 01:47.56 | rumpl | Integral_, but like i said its fun no? |
| 01:47.57 | gravity | narg: x11-common is the one you want |
| 01:48.18 | plb | Kitty-Kun: out of curiosity what was your previous distro? |
| 01:48.22 | rumpl | shingouz, well we'll just have to teach him how to do it ... |
| 01:48.34 | shingouz | rumpl: *you* have to teach him |
| 01:48.36 | meff | how do i find out which version of gcc an app was compiled with? |
| 01:48.39 | narg | gravity: xorg-common may not exist, but my box thinks it does, and everything and its monkey depends on it. |
| 01:48.54 | rumpl | shingouz, I ok ok... |
| 01:49.08 | gravity | narg: Well, I don't know what xorg packages you used, but you need to get rid of that package or the packages that depend on it |
| 01:49.18 | shingouz | rumpl: i will sit here and pal |
| 01:49.21 | gravity | narg: Debian's xorg packages don't know about that package |
| 01:49.22 | dondelelcaro | meff: with varying degrees of difficulty. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:49.32 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: no, you were using a version of debian that is not bleeding edge. Bleeding edge debian breaks often, so the installers don't use it by default... you wish to be bleeding edge, so we are facilitating this. |
| 01:49.38 | tracysun | Making install in libbrux |
| 01:49.38 | tracysun | make[1]: Entering directory `/root/jtag-0.5.1/libbrux' |
| 01:49.38 | tracysun | Making install in po |
| 01:49.38 | tracysun | make[2]: Entering directory `/root/jtag-0.5.1/libbrux/po' |
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| 01:49.47 | abrotman | tracysun: /msg dpkg paste |
| 01:49.50 | tracysun | make[3]: Entering directory `/root/jtag-0.5.1/libbrux/po' |
| 01:49.50 | narg | gravity: Hrm, Im going to try to manually dpkg force remove it again then. |
| 01:49.51 | tracysun | : --default-domain=libbrux --directory=.. \ |
| 01:49.52 | abrotman | for the .. fourth time |
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| 01:50.00 | meff | dondelelcaro: just trying to figure out which ver of gcc (3.3.5, 4.0.2 .. yadda) .. tried 'file' and 'ldd -v' but no go |
| 01:50.11 | gravity | narg: You probably have a bunch of packages from your old xorg install that need to be upgraded |
| 01:50.13 | dondelelcaro | meff: yes, but for what purpose? |
| 01:50.15 | abrotman | !tell tracysun about paste |
| 01:50.26 | meff | dondelelcaro: for my knowledge :) |
| 01:50.28 | rumpl | shingouz, i think ther's always a hope, in the end it's not that hard making it all work fine |
| 01:50.51 | shingouz | rumpl: true but i am not going to be holding hands |
| 01:51.20 | narg | gravity: woot, force removing it worked. Thanks, I was trying to whack x11-common before. :) |
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| 01:51.40 | gravity | narg: You're welcome |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | !tell tracysun about paste |
| 01:51.42 | narg | bitchx has saved me more times than I want to count when I stuff X. heh... |
| 01:52.27 | rumpl | shingouz, i know, you'r not here to babysit, btw anyone told Kitty-Kun about google??? |
| 01:52.35 | narg | gravity: Now that I fixed X, I need to go fix my sister's xp box. *cry* I wish windows was as easy to fix as debian... |
| 01:52.47 | gravity | narg: Sorry. Can't help you there :-) |
| 01:53.04 | shingouz | rumpl: about google and a few other things |
| 01:53.06 | dondelelcaro | meff: well, in most cases there's not a good way to tell. For some things you can tell by the symbol names. |
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| 01:54.12 | chipdalf | gravity: shure you can: tell him to format and it setup completly new *fg* |
| 01:54.12 | rumpl | Kitty-Kun, where are you, I'm getting bored, any more problems, questions??? |
| 01:54.20 | gravity | heh |
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| 01:54.31 | narg | I'd consider it if dell drivers wernt so much trouble. |
| 01:54.34 | Nz17 | I need recommendations for wireless PCMCIA NICs. |
| 01:54.46 | narg | Or better yet, just install debian + kde xp theme :) |
| 01:55.29 | chipdalf | narg: xp-theme? |
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| 01:57.06 | derobert | Quick question: How do I turn off echo-back (from microphone to speaker) on my soundblaster card, using ALSA? |
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| 01:58.46 | masoft | I tried to login for 3 times into WEBMIN with wrong passwd. now I'm banned from the server, how can I unban myself ? (/etc/init.d/webmin restard ! didn't work anything) |
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| 01:59.29 | narg | chipdalf: Is there one? I've never wanted one, so I dont know. |
| 02:00.05 | tracysun | oh,anyone see my paste |
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| 02:00.43 | chipdalf | narg: i do not know a theme, but a project for xp-style |
| 02:01.36 | rumpl | tracysun, where is your paste? |
| 02:01.53 | daedalus_ | masoft: did it totally ban you? It may have just kicked you for 5 mins |
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| 02:02.07 | tracysun | dpkg |
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| 02:02.40 | masoft | daedalus_, right, but I would like to know where does webmin save my IP ! |
| 02:02.47 | rumpl | tracysun, where is your paste? |
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| 02:03.33 | derobert | masoft: /var --- maybe a /var/lib/webmin ---- would be a good guess. |
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| 02:04.05 | Da_QuiK | does anyone know how i can change the ip lynx uses to browse? i cant find it in the manual or anywhere else. any help would be greatly apreciated :) |
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| 02:04.25 | masoft | derobert, /var/webmin and /var/lib/webmin is not available ! |
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| 02:05.10 | derobert | masoft: not sure, then. Don't have webmin installed here. It should be in /var somewhere. |
| 02:05.13 | tracysun | dpkg |
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| 02:05.50 | rumpl | tracysun, what are you talking about? |
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| 02:06.16 | chupie | im having problems getting my cdrom mounted |
| 02:06.23 | tracysun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.28 | tracysun | do you see it |
| 02:06.47 | chupie | when i try to mount it, it says, the device is not a valid block device |
| 02:07.12 | rumpl | tracysun, nope, where am i supposed to look |
| 02:07.49 | abrotman | tracysun: what is your native language ? |
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| 02:08.38 | rumpl | chupie, what do you have in your /etc/fstab?? |
| 02:08.50 | tracysun | abortman:chinese |
| 02:09.15 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 02:09.20 | rumpl | tracysun, I can't see your paste, paste it somewhere else |
| 02:09.34 | ricky_clarkson | abortman ;) |
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| 02:10.07 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: yeah .. exactly |
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| 02:11.21 | chipdalf | narg: http://www.xpde.com/ *fg* |
| 02:11.23 | tracysun | rumpl:ok, |
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| 02:12.08 | tracysun | in ~rumpl@m41.net81-65-34.noos.fr,see it |
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| 02:13.17 | TwistedEmotions | I setup apache... now I am wondering... how do I see who visited.. who loged in and what did they look at? |
| 02:13.22 | concept10 | I cant reach my server from the net - where should I start troubleshooting? could this be apache problems? |
| 02:14.07 | ryan` | anyone know how to disable autoindent in vim>? |
| 02:14.09 | tracysun | rumpl:got it? |
| 02:14.14 | pureone | tcpdump or ethereal might help |
| 02:14.21 | gravity | ryan`: :set noai |
| 02:14.27 | concept10 | pureone, me? |
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| 02:14.41 | Anders | got root? |
| 02:14.43 | pureone | yes |
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| 02:15.11 | concept10 | pureone, what would i do with tcpdump? |
| 02:16.03 | pureone | concept i donno depends on your set up |
| 02:16.14 | pureone | what does firefox say when you try contact it? |
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| 02:16.42 | concept10 | for some reason I may access the site with firefox but no one else cant |
| 02:17.06 | pureone | how do you normaly connect to it ? |
| 02:17.13 | concept10 | pureone, could you tell me if you may pull this site up? http://ntarieo.ath.cx/apache2-default/public_html/mambo/ |
| 02:17.20 | pureone | ok |
| 02:17.41 | pureone | says connection refused |
| 02:17.53 | pureone | but does it work for you ? |
| 02:18.06 | pureone | with that hostname |
| 02:18.07 | concept10 | see i can pull it up in my browser. but no one else may. |
| 02:18.19 | concept10 | pureone, yes. with that hostname |
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| 02:18.35 | TwistedEmotions | pureone: can you try this link www.virus.com/Ineedyourip/trojan.html |
| 02:18.40 | concept10 | i dont understand that |
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| 02:19.07 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to pull up apache logs? |
| 02:19.31 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh.. got it... |
| 02:19.33 | concept10 | TwistedEmotions, you think im spamming? |
| 02:19.36 | pureone | cocept10 are you behind a router ? |
| 02:19.38 | daedalus_ | TwistedEmotions: uh.... /var/log/apache/... ? |
| 02:19.43 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know of deb repos with kde 3.4.2? |
| 02:19.49 | concept10 | pureone, yes. |
| 02:19.55 | TwistedEmotions | concept10: no.. I guess bad joke... no one laughed. |
| 02:20.12 | pureone | ok |
| 02:20.14 | TwistedEmotions | daedalus_: yeah realized after I thought about it.. |
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| 02:20.38 | pureone | contect open up a terminal as root and type "tcpdump -vA port 80" |
| 02:20.43 | pureone | er |
| 02:20.46 | concept10 | pureone, router with two linux boxes. |
| 02:20.47 | pureone | concept10 |
| 02:20.48 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: still here? does it work now? *g* |
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| 02:21.34 | TwistedEmotions | chipdalf: Weeee ;) |
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| 02:21.52 | chipdalf | TwistedEmotions: i got it working on my lap... *g* |
| 02:22.06 | pureone | got it running concept10? |
| 02:22.12 | concept10 | pureone, this is what I get: tcpdump: WARNING: wifi0: no IPv4 address assigned |
| 02:22.12 | concept10 | tcpdump: listening on wifi0, link-type IEEE802_11 (802.11), capture size 96 bytes |
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| 02:22.32 | pureone | ok |
| 02:22.39 | pureone | tell me if you see anything from my ip |
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| 02:22.48 | ricky_clarkson | chipdalf: *g* *g* *g* |
| 02:22.49 | concept10 | im running the server via wireless |
| 02:23.05 | pureone | ok |
| 02:23.16 | concept10 | pureone, no change |
| 02:23.17 | pureone | did you see anything from my ip ? |
| 02:23.19 | pureone | ok |
| 02:23.31 | pureone | then its not being sent to the server correctly |
| 02:23.43 | concept10 | also, my firewall has a ping blocker |
| 02:23.46 | pureone | either you didnt port forward correctly or the routers being silly |
| 02:23.52 | pureone | http doesnt need icmp |
| 02:24.08 | pureone | try another port |
| 02:24.13 | pureone | 81 or something |
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| 02:24.32 | concept10 | so in theory, I should be able to access my routers setup page if I type my IP address in firefox? |
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| 02:24.43 | citrosack | what is the port for remote desktop connection in ubuntu ...? |
| 02:25.01 | pureone | citrosack try #ubuntu |
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| 02:25.22 | pureone | concept10 i dont know about that |
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| 02:25.58 | pureone | has it ever happen? |
| 02:26.15 | concept10 | I have never been able to access that box from the web. |
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| 02:26.50 | concept10 | I will change the port to 81 |
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| 02:26.51 | a3a | #join ubuntu |
| 02:26.57 | pureone | your router run a web server? |
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| 02:27.13 | citrosack | I WOULD but they took my voice |
| 02:27.21 | citrosack | i was drunk a few nights ago and i was being an ass |
| 02:27.25 | gravity | ... |
| 02:27.33 | pureone | hehe |
| 02:27.37 | gravity | citrosack: Time to install Debian it seems |
| 02:27.43 | Phated | Tip of the day: Being drunk on IRC isn't as funny as you think it was. |
| 02:28.01 | concept10 | pureone, no. Well, maybe not. I dont know what to call it, it has html page for config |
| 02:28.32 | citrosack | how do i get back in the channel once they took my voice? |
| 02:28.48 | Phated | You can get in, but you can't speak. |
| 02:28.49 | pureone | pm the ops and say sorry |
| 02:28.53 | concept10 | beg |
| 02:28.53 | kitty-Kun | Oh btw i used psaux instead of /dev/input/mice and it works. It DIDN'T with /dev/input/mice |
| 02:28.54 | ix | Phated: Hey! |
| 02:28.56 | ix | Phated: YOu rock |
| 02:29.02 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Tip of the day: There's no point tipping at the END of the meal. Tip means To Improve Performance. Unless they've got a time machine then they can't do it retrospectively. |
| 02:29.22 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: I've never tipped a waiter before a meal, y'know. |
| 02:29.23 | toresbe | ix hit me :( |
| 02:29.34 | asuffield | Phated: you don't tip at all, you just flirt |
| 02:29.35 | Phated | ... What? |
| 02:29.35 | citrosack | theres no ops in there! |
| 02:29.43 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know of deb repos with kde 3.4.2? |
| 02:29.51 | ricky_clarkson | citrosack: /msg chanserv access #channel list |
| 02:29.56 | rxc | hi all. i got a new dvd writer (pioneer dvr-109) but i can only record at 4x using cdrecord... dma is enabled. so i dont know how to fix it.. the max speed should be 40x.. can someone help me? |
| 02:29.57 | Phated | asuffield: Waiters are beneath me. |
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| 02:30.03 | asuffield | Phated: that's what I'm saying |
| 02:30.13 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:30.17 | ricky_clarkson | citrosack: That tells you the ops, you could pick one of those who seems active and /msg that one. |
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| 02:32.08 | ix | Phated: toresbe took my machine. :P |
| 02:32.16 | ix | and I did not hit you, toresbe. |
| 02:32.30 | asuffield | maybe you should |
| 02:32.45 | ricky_clarkson | That's a nice virtual black eye there. |
| 02:33.26 | Phated | ix: Why, precisely, should I particularly care? toresbe seems to acquire a lot of machines. As long as he leaves mine alone, I really don't bother with his methods. |
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| 02:33.59 | ricky_clarkson | Does toresbe acquire them physically or, um, electronically? |
| 02:34.09 | Phated | Physically. |
| 02:34.12 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
| 02:34.17 | ioerror | If I want to build a debian package of a given CVS source, what's the best process to create the package? |
| 02:34.24 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: he's a bloody magpie |
| 02:34.26 | ricky_clarkson | ioerror: /msg dpkg newmaint |
| 02:34.28 | Phated | ix is currently physically present at toresbe's. |
| 02:34.28 | ricky_clarkson | I think. |
| 02:34.40 | asuffield | especially if it's shiny and rusty and utterly useless |
| 02:34.48 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 02:35.06 | ricky_clarkson | A mate of mine collects dead laptops and dead sparcs and dead games consoles. |
| 02:35.10 | Phated | Does "shiny" not preclude "rusty" and vice-versa, though? |
| 02:35.23 | ioerror | ricky_clarkson, I didn't see how to build cvs sources as packages as part of newmaint, unless i should just make a normal package which was going to do but i wanted to check anyway |
| 02:35.25 | asuffield | Phated: some people polish their rust |
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| 02:35.39 | ricky_clarkson | ioerror: No idea. |
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| 02:35.45 | gravity | ioerror: There's a cvsbuildpkg package (or something close) |
| 02:35.48 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:35.49 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: That's a horrible thing to say about KDE. |
| 02:35.58 | gravity | ioerror: I don't know if it'll build from a non-debianized cvs source though |
| 02:36.55 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: So, have you a) planned your escape from Singapore? b) baked any cookies for long-distance chomping? |
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| 02:37.06 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: I've moved house twice since you offered to send cookies. |
| 02:37.18 | asuffield | hah |
| 02:37.24 | Phated | a) No, it's hardly time for that yet, and B) Do finalise your address before asking again, imagine if I had! :) |
| 02:37.37 | asuffield | I bet her cooking is horrible |
| 02:37.54 | ricky_clarkson | Newton Building, University of Salford, Salford, England M5 4WT. |
| 02:37.58 | dontpanic | Hi I need to change the boot option in sarge |
| 02:38.05 | asuffield | salford? where the fuck is salford? |
| 02:38.15 | dontpanic | any thoughts? |
| 02:38.21 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: It's the vast expanse of Manchester that isn't called Manchester. |
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| 02:38.26 | gravity | ioerror: Are you the guy on planet ars? |
| 02:38.45 | ioerror | gravity, yes, why? |
| 02:38.47 | asuffield | huh. and this has a university distinct from the university of manchester? |
| 02:38.54 | ioerror | do you also hate my rss feed? |
| 02:39.01 | ioerror | (I'm just being defensive) |
| 02:39.02 | gravity | ioerror: Oh, no. I enjoy your photos. |
| 02:39.04 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Yes, with 19,000 full-time stunteds. |
| 02:39.09 | ioerror | gravity, oh, thanks! |
| 02:39.14 | gravity | ioerror: My pleasure :-) |
| 02:39.18 | pureone | concept10: do a dnslookup on ntarieo.ath.cx |
| 02:39.21 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, did I misspell students again in exactly the same way? Damn. |
| 02:39.24 | ioerror | gravity, a few people have been giving me shit lately and it's annoying the hell out of me |
| 02:39.30 | gravity | ioerror: I'm sorry to hear that |
| 02:39.32 | ix | Phated: by "toresbe took my machine", I meant the comments he made about you via the terminal I left. |
| 02:39.35 | ix | It is his computer :) |
| 02:39.50 | gravity | ioerror: People get touchy about planets |
| 02:39.58 | Phated | Well, one shouldn't leave terminals around toresbe open. |
| 02:40.04 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: There is the University of Manchester (which now includes UMIST, formerly a separate Uni), the Manchester Metropolitan University and Salford University. |
| 02:40.07 | ix | I have learnt that, the hard way. |
| 02:40.15 | ioerror | gravity, yeah, i know. I was invited and specifically told that my blog was good because it wasn't "just" nerd stuff |
| 02:40.16 | asuffield | so he's hitting on phated while pretending to be somebody else. good grief |
| 02:40.16 | ix | ctrl+x :) |
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| 02:40.20 | dontpanic | I am getting a kernel panic and I need to change the boot option |
| 02:40.31 | citrosack | so i /msg like 6 people with 1s of time since last use and none of them responded |
| 02:40.31 | gravity | ioerror: I think every planet needs something like that, to shake it up |
| 02:40.33 | ricky_clarkson | Why would anybody hit on Phated? |
| 02:40.38 | ioerror | perhaps |
| 02:40.38 | gravity | ioerror: Too much of the same gets old |
| 02:40.39 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: duh |
| 02:40.40 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, she's still here. Oops. |
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| 02:40.50 | dontpanic | did google serch not getting a cleaqr answer |
| 02:40.59 | asuffield | I didn't know manchester had a third one. what do they do that's worthwhile? |
| 02:41.02 | dontpanic | clear |
| 02:41.07 | gravity | ioerror: Plus your pics are way more interesting than the standard geek pics that wind up on stuff like planet gnome. I can only take so many flowers :-) |
| 02:41.08 | Phated | Hello, it -is- toresbe. I don't think the rules of normal society apply here. |
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| 02:41.27 | pureone | concept10 noticed anything odd? :) |
| 02:41.30 | ioerror | gravity, i thought it was funny that they chose to bitch me out when there was two posts on the page worth actually getting upset about. One about IE on widnows and another about firefox on winodws and zombie photos |
| 02:41.34 | ioerror | gravity, well thanks |
| 02:41.35 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Salford isn't Manchester. The cities are close, but distinct. |
| 02:41.44 | gravity | heh |
| 02:41.45 | dontpanic | no they do not |
| 02:41.53 | ElllisD | why does my apt-fixup & then apt-update scroll what look like random dependencies files? -forever? |
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| 02:43.02 | dontpanic | I know it is asimple answer |
| 02:43.02 | sly007 | Hello, I just installed gentoo, it works as root, but when I try to play as a normal user, it fails with a permission denied, but my user is in the audio group. What's the problem? |
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| 02:43.12 | gravity | sly007: /join #gentoo |
| 02:43.23 | dontpanic | dam |
| 02:43.35 | ke6isf | sly007: Gentoo is not Debian. |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | gravity: he coudl mean the file manager :) |
| 02:43.35 | dontpanic | dam |
| 02:43.48 | gravity | abrotman: Heh, good point I guess |
| 02:44.04 | dontpanic | that m looks like 2 r's |
| 02:44.16 | ElllisD | anyone here ever mess writing in ruby? |
| 02:44.17 | ricky_clarkson | citrosack: Maybe #ubuntu is full of eejits. Or maybe they really really don't like you. Or, most likely, both. |
| 02:44.21 | ElllisD | w? |
| 02:44.25 | abrotman | $ruby ? |
| 02:44.27 | abrotman | #ruby ? |
| 02:44.34 | gravity | ruby++ |
| 02:44.49 | ricky_clarkson | ruby.net on rails WITH ACTIVEX? |
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| 02:45.09 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you forgot another acronym .. darn managers |
| 02:45.25 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: ETLA. |
| 02:45.40 | ricky_clarkson | I wonder about the Java issuetracker. |
| 02:45.42 | ricky_clarkson | JIRA. |
| 02:45.47 | ricky_clarkson | Java Irish Republican Army? |
| 02:46.07 | citrosack | prolly ricky |
| 02:46.24 | citrosack | irritated tho |
| 02:46.34 | ricky_clarkson | citrosack: Try a mailing list. |
| 02:46.52 | ElllisD | feature? -is apt on sarge using xfs supposed to not work? |
| 02:47.09 | ricky_clarkson | citrosack: For two purposes. 1. Whatever you want to ask in #ubuntu. 2. Without whining, ask why your voice is [still] removed in #ubuntu. |
| 02:47.44 | ricky_clarkson | ElllisD: I'd imagine there aren't any features of apt designed to not work. ;) |
| 02:48.00 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get crash |
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| 02:48.45 | ricky_clarkson | G'night. |
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| 02:49.59 | drp | where are the sources stored for apt-get again |
| 02:50.20 | sly007 | gravity, what makes you believe I'm on gentoo? |
| 02:50.21 | drp | /etc/ |
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| 02:50.31 | fortysixand2 | /etc/apt/sources.list on mine |
| 02:50.34 | GnU-Linux-BsD | \1111110254 |
| 02:50.38 | drp | fortysixand2: thanks |
| 02:50.39 | gravity | sly007: Er... you said you installed gentoo... |
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| 02:50.45 | fortysixand2 | drp: no worries! |
| 02:51.00 | sly007 | where? |
| 02:51.19 | maher | sly007: <sly007> Hello, I just installed gentoo, |
| 02:51.23 | citrosack | ricky_clarkson: mailing list? |
| 02:51.39 | drp | actually does anyone here have a good updated sources list that they could give me |
| 02:52.00 | ke6isf | sly007: You said so at 19:42 PDT according to my lastlog. |
| 02:52.09 | Phated | Ehm? apt-setup, drp? |
| 02:52.15 | sly007 | ke6isf, maher, so you guys keep history on everything and hane nothing else to do that watching a user history when he enters a channel? |
| 02:52.23 | drp | Phated: k, I've never used it before |
| 02:52.26 | ke6isf | sly007: Mu. |
| 02:52.29 | drp | I'll look into it |
| 02:52.36 | drp | thanks Phated |
| 02:52.43 | maher | sly007: i could still see it on the screen |
| 02:52.44 | ke6isf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.54 | ke6isf | oopsie, did I say that out loud? |
| 02:53.00 | maher | ke6isf: no |
| 02:53.10 | sly007 | maher, I did nt say it today |
| 02:53.14 | gravity | sly007: /lastlog sly007 |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:53.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 02:53.25 | sly007 | maher, but last week, om monday |
| 02:53.41 | abrotman | sly007: yes you did .. |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | sly007: i saw it too |
| 02:53.59 | maher | sly007: it was the first thing yousaif when you arrived in the channel just now - try looking at your own irc client.. |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | <sly007> Hello, I just installed gentoo, it works as root, but when I try to play as a normal user, it fails with a permission denied, but my user is in the audio group. What's the problem? |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | sly007: i think you misfired into this channel |
| 02:54.18 | sly007 | abrotman, Aaaaa, I mean ALSA !!! |
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| 02:54.28 | ke6isf | sly007: I keep about 300 lines of a scroll buffer, and it has yet to clear out. Considering it was 11 minutes ago and it's slow right now. |
| 02:54.57 | Phated | Freudian slip? Although when one has Freudian connections with Gentoo, it's a disturbing thought... |
| 02:54.57 | abrotman | ke6isf: only 300 .. you slacker |
| 02:55.11 | ke6isf | abrotman: Well, maybe not that low, but I'm too fscking lazy to look at my config. |
| 02:55.13 | ke6isf | =^^= |
| 02:55.35 | sly007 | I just installed ALSA, it works as root, but when I try to play as a normal user, it fails with a permission denied, but my user is in the audio group. What's the problem? |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | ke6isf: i got pissed about 2k :) |
| 02:55.44 | sly007 | :-p |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | sly007: /msg dpkg audio |
| 02:55.54 | abrotman | sly007: /msg dpkg sound |
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| 02:56.38 | abrotman | that was quick |
| 02:57.05 | ke6isf | abrotman: Heh =^^= |
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| 02:57.22 | sadfgg | How can I do this: sed -i '\|Who want's to be a Monkey|s|Monkey|Gorilla|' file |
| 02:57.23 | dtb | hey guys, i installed a base debian box, and skipped the network config, im now in the system and it has a network card, how to i get netowkring working? |
| 02:57.24 | gravity | heh |
| 02:57.40 | Phated | ... And why would you skip the networking config? |
| 02:57.42 | dtb | i created resolv.conf and setup the ip address and route etc.. but it didnt work |
| 02:57.46 | dtb | cos the guy behind me did it |
| 02:57.50 | dtb | first deb install |
| 02:57.50 | dtb | lol |
| 02:58.13 | abrotman | dtb: you put your route in your resolv.conf ? |
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| 02:58.28 | dondelelcaro | dtb: just man 5 interfaces; and write an interfaces appropriate; or run network-console-config. |
| 02:58.34 | dtb | yea everything man. this has happened before when i did a base install for a friend. |
| 02:58.42 | dtb | there is no network-console-config :( |
| 02:58.47 | dondelelcaro | dtb: so install it. |
| 02:58.48 | abrotman | dtb: your route does NOT go in your resolv.conf |
| 02:58.56 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Without a network? :) |
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| 02:59.14 | ke6isf | phaethon: I suspect it's on netinst. |
| 02:59.19 | dtb | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:59.27 | dtb | resolve.conf > nameserver 131.244.14.1 |
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| 02:59.33 | Phated | No e. |
| 02:59.41 | dtb | but there is other stuff deb does in setup to get netowrking working |
| 02:59.44 | sadfgg | abrotman, you know a bit of sed, right? |
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| 02:59.59 | huhcool | I'm running testing and I'm having trouble with fceu. The video and cpu work perfectly in the emulator but the sound comes out all warbled and noisy. Is there a way to fix that? My sound works perfect in all my other emulators (vice, scummvm, etc) |
| 03:00.24 | dondelelcaro | dtb: yes, that stuff is in the interfaces file; man 5 interfaces; or if you're using dhcp, /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 03:00.36 | ke6isf | oops...phated even. |
| 03:00.40 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, How can I do this (it's close but not correct): sed -i '\|Who want's to be a Monkey|s|Monkey|Gorilla|' file |
| 03:00.53 | abrotman | sadfgg: i've heard |
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| 03:01.21 | abrotman | !sed cheats |
| 03:01.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, sed cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
| 03:01.24 | sadfgg | abrotman, read 3 5 lines up |
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| 03:01.40 | abrotman | i see ... |
| 03:02.03 | dondelelcaro | easier to perl -pi -e 's/(Who want's to be a )Monkey/${1}Gorilla/'; (or sed with the equivalent \\1 ) |
| 03:02.25 | chacho | something is wrong with my rhythmbox |
| 03:02.29 | chacho | it wont let me load any more songs |
| 03:02.37 | chacho | and i removed all the songs, then tried to re-add everything |
| 03:02.52 | chacho | and it would re-add all the songs i had in there before but not the new ones i was trying to add earlier |
| 03:02.55 | dtb | no net-tools installed |
| 03:03.03 | chacho | i also reinstalled it a few times |
| 03:03.16 | chacho | dtb, is that to me? |
| 03:03.41 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: more creatively written as s/(?<=Who want's\[sic\] to be a)Monkey/Gorilla/ |
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| 03:04.10 | abrotman | chacho: did you remove the . directory for it ? or move it ? |
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| 03:04.21 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: yerp |
| 03:04.54 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: I just tend to avoid using zero length look behind since it's really limited |
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| 03:05.25 | asuffield | there's a pair of flies humping on my wall |
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| 03:05.45 | TheAsp | asuffield: record it and sell it in the internets. |
| 03:06.03 | chacho | abrotman, no i didnt |
| 03:06.04 | chacho | ill try that\ |
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| 03:08.16 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, should I be using Pearl or Sed for text manipulation? |
| 03:08.23 | silverton | :-/ j2se-package doesn't exist :-/ |
| 03:08.27 | silverton | clear |
| 03:08.34 | silverton | whoops |
| 03:08.41 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: it's perl; use whatever you like. |
| 03:08.44 | abrotman | did he just say .. Pearl ? |
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| 03:09.16 | silverton | ohh, nevermind |
| 03:10.03 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, ok, what are you using for text manipulation, and why? Im just curious... |
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| 03:10.17 | nvz | sussudio: wanted to know if I could have your logs for #debian for two weeks ago monday-friday |
| 03:10.29 | nvz | sussudio: July 17-23 IIRC |
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| 03:11.20 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: perl primarily, unless I care about startup time. |
| 03:12.08 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, why do you use pearl before sed? |
| 03:12.23 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: it's PERL. NOT PEARL. |
| 03:12.48 | carbnsack | i just installed testing no problems other than i have to restart gdm everytime in order for the keyboard to work (usb logitech corded elite or usb apple pro keyboard) on x86 how do i fix this? |
| 03:12.48 | gravity | $perl |
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| 03:13.04 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: and the reason is simple; perl is an actual language, sed is rather limited. |
| 03:13.27 | carbnsack | i searched google and couldn't find anything relevant to the problem |
| 03:13.27 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, ok |
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| 03:13.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: don't tell them that :) |
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| 03:16.39 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, is there some language that can handle text manipulation directly? |
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| 03:17.03 | gravity | sadfgg: perl, python, ruby, awk |
| 03:17.06 | dondelelcaro | "directly"? |
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| 03:17.46 | gravity | About a zillion others I won't bother to remember |
| 03:17.51 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you know .. change the bits of the character :) |
| 03:18.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, but how can you do that directly? |
| 03:18.43 | gravity | hex editor :-) |
| 03:18.57 | dondelelcaro | unless you have magic super powers to interact with the quantum states of memory or disc... |
| 03:19.07 | sadfgg | gravity, which one of these do you think is best for text manipulation direct in the shell? |
| 03:19.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: assembler :) |
| 03:19.15 | gravity | sadfgg: Depends on what you like. |
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| 03:19.20 | gravity | sadfgg: And your needs of course. |
| 03:19.45 | gravity | sadfgg: If your needs are few, sed will be fine. If your needs are more expansive, go for perl/python/ruby (whichever suits your fancy best) |
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| 03:20.45 | gravity | awk is also a tool worth learning, at least in outline |
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| 03:21.08 | abrotman | did oreilly ever combine sed/awk into a single book ? |
| 03:21.25 | sadfgg | gravity, which language is more like C, perl or python? |
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| 03:21.32 | abrotman | C |
| 03:21.36 | abrotman | neither of those are like C |
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| 03:21.39 | stew | abrotman: were they ever separate? |
| 03:21.41 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, they did. It was Ok. |
| 03:21.54 | gravity | sadfgg: abrotman is right. Neither is like C. |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | stew: i thought they had two .. i don't htink i own any book related to those topics from oreilly |
| 03:22.12 | gravity | sadfgg: Just go look at them. Play with them all. Then pick the one you like and enjoy it. |
| 03:22.17 | gravity | sadfgg: It's the only way you'll be satisfied. |
| 03:22.18 | abrotman | if you want a "scripting language" kind of like C .. use php .. but that's not really a solution |
| 03:22.25 | gravity | abrotman: Don't say that. Ever. |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | gravity: sadly .. it's kind of true :) |
| 03:22.39 | sadfgg | gravity, abrotman so which one is most expansive in different situations? |
| 03:22.42 | stew | i hate php |
| 03:22.48 | gravity | Christ |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | that's not the point :) |
| 03:22.53 | stew | i would probably hate it less if my wife didn't like it so much |
| 03:22.58 | gravity | sadfgg: They *all* are good languages. Try them all. |
| 03:23.03 | abrotman | sadfgg: perl is like the 1578 piece toolbox |
| 03:23.05 | gravity | sadfgg: Now. Go. Do it. |
| 03:23.14 | stew | abrotman: i disagree |
| 03:23.15 | gravity | sadfgg: Report back when you've played with them all. |
| 03:23.34 | stew | abrotman: php has like 2000 functions in the default namespace, compared to perl's 200 |
| 03:23.39 | stew | or something like that |
| 03:23.41 | sadfgg | abrotman, gravity, hehe, which one do you guys prefer, I just have to ask |
| 03:23.51 | abrotman | stew: i meant that perl can do anything .. like your 1578 piece tool box :) |
| 03:23.54 | sadfgg | gravity, yes I will |
| 03:23.57 | stew | ok :) |
| 03:23.59 | gravity | sadfgg: dondelelcaro loves perl. I love ruby. I know a number of people who love python. That's why you have to try them all. |
| 03:24.03 | abrotman | stew: i didn't mean the number of functions |
| 03:24.13 | gravity | sadfgg: It depends on your preference and the way your brain works. |
| 03:24.58 | abrotman | gravity: that ruby tutorial with the comics .. funny stuff |
| 03:25.08 | stew | sadfgg: yeah, spend an evening each with perl / python / ruby, and you will find you feel most comfortable with one |
| 03:25.16 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah. Why rocks. |
| 03:25.17 | abrotman | they won't all make sense |
| 03:25.20 | gravity | I still haven't read the whole thing. |
| 03:25.35 | abrotman | gravity: i did .. i was at a client doing testing .. i had free time :) |
| 03:25.35 | stew | abrotman: comics? do you have a url? |
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| 03:25.42 | abrotman | stew: hrm .. gravity does :) |
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| 03:26.15 | abrotman | stew: http://www.poignantguide.net/ruby/ |
| 03:26.16 | FarrisG | If I use totem-gstreamer, sound works but video doesn't. If I use totem-xine, video works but sound doesn't. Any ideas? :) |
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| 03:26.27 | gravity | I just google it :-) |
| 03:26.30 | sadfgg | gravity, can you explain to me why I don't need to compile perl (I can use it directly in the shell), while this is impossible with C AFAIK (I have never used anything else then PHP/XHTML) |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | FarrisG: codecs suck |
| 03:26.51 | gravity | sadfgg: Because it's interpreted, the same way shell scripts are. |
| 03:26.59 | abrotman | i think you guys are getting trolled now :) |
| 03:27.06 | gravity | More or less |
| 03:27.37 | sadfgg | gravity, perl, python, ruby, awk, all of them are? |
| 03:27.42 | gravity | sadfgg: Yes |
| 03:27.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:27.48 | stew | yeah i went through this guide, i don't remember comics though |
| 03:27.49 | gravity | sadfgg: Just go try them. |
| 03:27.49 | sadfgg | gravity, but not C? |
| 03:27.59 | abrotman | isn't there a #programming ? |
| 03:28.20 | gravity | sadfgg: No. Look, I'm done. Go. I have things to do. |
| 03:28.27 | abrotman | at least noone suggested scheme |
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| 03:28.38 | abrotman | or haskell |
| 03:28.42 | sadfgg | gravity, =), thank you for you're answers |
| 03:28.53 | gravity | sadfgg: You're welcome. Enjoy the languages. |
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| 03:29.03 | sadfgg | gravity, I will try them all |
| 03:29.04 | stew | i've decided that ml or ocaml are the godwin invocations of these discussions |
| 03:29.08 | jrwr | how to i set where i can exe a command at start up |
| 03:29.12 | jrwr | it needs to be run as root *its hdparm* |
| 03:30.35 | dondelelcaro | jrwr: you realize that hdparm installs its own init.d script, right? |
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| 03:31.25 | dondelelcaro | jrwr: and that it has it's own configuration and defaults file? look at /etc/{default,init.d}/hdparm. |
| 03:31.32 | nullman | jrwr apt-get install hdparm ; edit /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 03:31.43 | jrwr | did that already |
| 03:31.54 | jrwr | it does not seem to disable DMA still |
| 03:32.00 | zebalin2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:32.24 | gravity | zebalin2: Sorta. |
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| 03:32.43 | gravity | More transitions are coming, but nothing so jarring as a C++ ABI transition |
| 03:32.48 | dondelelcaro | zebalin2: blindly using dist-upgrade on unstable is often hazardous to your health. Use a real frontend; or drive apt-get manually. |
| 03:33.16 | rxc | jrwr: you can try to move /etc/rcS.d/S07hdparm to /etc/rcS.d/S27hdparm |
| 03:33.20 | dondelelcaro | gravity: well, besides the fact that apt is transitioning too... |
| 03:33.53 | gravity | dondelelcaro: True, but that seems to have gone smoothly, at least as near as I can tell |
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| 03:34.31 | dondelelcaro | gravity: the first one, yes... but it appears that there is a 0.6.39.0.1 |
| 03:35.02 | gravity | Oh man |
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| 03:35.08 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I didn't know that |
| 03:35.43 | zebalin2 | I always do an apt-get in init3. A bit safer I think. But I won't mess with it until people here say it is 'safe(er)'. |
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| 03:36.42 | lakbu | any url on how to setup a Dial-in Server? Thanks |
| 03:36.55 | carbnsack | i just installed testing no problems other than i have to restart gdm everytime on boot in order for the keyboard to work (usb logitech corded elite or usb apple pro keyboard) on x86 how do i fix this? |
| 03:36.56 | lakbu | im using Debian Sarge |
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| 03:39.45 | smacnay | Hello, I am trying to run 'make-kpkg modules_image' in /usr/src/kernel-image-2.6.8 to build my nvidia module but get the following error: |
| 03:39.48 | smacnay | /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found |
| 03:39.49 | NetNuttt | #flood |
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| 03:40.03 | smacnay | that is repeated a few times and then an error message: |
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| 03:40.20 | smacnay | debian/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. |
| 03:40.23 | sadfgg | Can I use Java as a interpreted languages for text manipulation? |
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| 03:40.34 | levander | Anybody can tell me how to use mkisofs graft points? |
| 03:40.36 | Guerin | sadfgg: you have our permission |
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| 03:41.06 | levander | sadfgg: you can, but I don't think it's the best choice. I'd use python. |
| 03:41.15 | nox | why does the last debian don`t comes with xorg ? |
| 03:41.15 | stew | sadfgg: it would be a horrible choice compared to perl/python/awk/ruby... |
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| 03:41.29 | stew | nox: it wasn't ready yet |
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| 03:41.31 | sally_ | this has got to be a faq: when will the mirrors have new packages on them? |
| 03:41.39 | dondelelcaro | sally_: they already do. |
| 03:41.42 | levander | sadfgg: but, unless you've got a big project, just use what you already know, unless you want to learn something new |
| 03:41.48 | nox | stew -> can i update my xfree86 to xorg? |
| 03:41.56 | stew | nox: what version of debian do you run? |
| 03:42.06 | nox | staniel, 3.1 r06 |
| 03:42.14 | stew | !sarge xorg |
| 03:42.18 | Guerin | nox: xorg is in unstable. wait until it reaches testing. |
| 03:42.20 | nox | oops, stew -> 3.1 r06 |
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| 03:42.33 | stew | !xorg sarge |
| 03:42.33 | dpkg | [xorg sarge] http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 03:42.45 | sadfgg | levander, I just want to know my possibilites before I start to learn a new language |
| 03:42.46 | nox | thank you very much |
| 03:42.50 | stew | nox: note the at your own risk part, you will be on your own |
| 03:43.03 | Guerin | sadfgg: if you're picking a language to learn, don't pick java |
| 03:43.18 | levander | sadfgg: so you don't want to learn a new language? |
| 03:43.19 | sadfgg | Guerin, ok, why? |
| 03:43.25 | nox | stew, thats ok, i have been using ubuntu for months now, with x.org. haven`t noticed even one problem. its great |
| 03:43.35 | sally_ | dondelelcaro, what mirror are you using |
| 03:43.40 | sadfgg | levander, that is exactly what I want =) |
| 03:43.43 | Guerin | there's no full-featured free kit for it, you're bound to sun's evilly-licensed implementation |
| 03:43.52 | levander | sadfgg: which language to learn really depends on what you want to *do* with the language. Surely, text manipulation isn't all you want. |
| 03:44.43 | levander | sadfgg: of course, you could pick a language for purely academic reasons, but I wouldn't do that, it's boring. Pick one based on what you want to do. What do you want to do with a programming language? What kind of programs do you want to write? |
| 03:44.46 | sally_ | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ shows no new packages for 10 days |
| 03:44.49 | dondelelcaro | sally_: the main mirrors have pulsed a few times; the subsidiary mirrors should also be updating wherever possible. |
| 03:45.42 | sally_ | ok thanks |
| 03:45.53 | dondelelcaro | sally_: Packages.gz 01-Aug-2005 14:14 3.6M .... from http.us.debian.org; FE. |
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| 03:46.09 | levander | sadfgg: if you don't know what you want to do with it, do you know why you want to learn a language? Maybe that will help pick you a language. |
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| 03:47.03 | sadfgg | levander, have you tried some perl? |
| 03:47.27 | levander | sadfgg: i have, it's in the same "class" of languages as python. Personally, I prefer python. |
| 03:47.39 | sadfgg | levander, Is it possible to tell which language of perl and python that is most expansive? |
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| 03:48.19 | levander | sadfgg: you mean expand the language, or expand like use for a lot of different purposes? |
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| 03:48.34 | Guerin | sadfgg: both are practically limitless |
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| 03:49.09 | Guerin | sadfgg: ie: if you have to ask that, you're years away from finding something they can't do |
| 03:49.17 | levander | sadfgg: language lawyers argue about which is best, but I think it's personally preference really. There are differences, but not so much the differences really fall outside the niche they both fill. |
| 03:51.30 | sadfgg | Guerin, levander Which of them is most common then? |
| 03:52.04 | levander | They're probably equally common. I like python, so maybe that's why I notice more and more companies using python. Like google, Red Hat, and Ubuntu. |
| 03:52.53 | Guerin | i'd say there's much more code out there written in perl than in python, but how much of it is good code is probably arguable |
| 03:53.21 | Xenguy | sadfgg: perl is well-established; python is up-and-coming (if that helps :-) |
| 03:53.30 | tsohg | as a 'newbie' and been scripting windows shite for years python seems to be the way to go for me |
| 03:53.47 | gravity | ruby gets no love :-( |
| 03:53.54 | levander | Xenguy: why would you say python is up and coming? It's been around at least 10 years. |
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| 03:54.25 | Xenguy | levander: my point is that perl is the 'incumbent' if you will |
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| 03:54.45 | tsohg | Xenguy: Agree |
| 03:54.51 | Detox | am looking for a good distro for grade school kids any ideas? |
| 03:55.05 | gravity | Is debian-jr still alive? |
| 03:55.09 | Detox | no |
| 03:55.17 | levander | Xenguy: that's kind of like saying John Kerry is the junior senator from Massachussettes. Both he and Ted Kennedy have been there forever, but Ted Kennedy's been there like four years longer. |
| 03:55.19 | gravity | Sad |
| 03:55.31 | predius | Hey, anyone has any experience packaging? |
| 03:55.31 | Xenguy | Detox: there's a project call Debian Junior or some such |
| 03:55.33 | sadfgg | levander, python depends on libutil out of the box, which ins't present in solaris |
| 03:55.33 | nico22 | hi, i habe a question about overnet.... i am using the command line client.... but i dont know how to connect to the overnet net.... i open the client, try to do search but never get results... and i do not know if i am or not connect to the network, any clue? |
| 03:55.36 | Detox | at least I cannot find a link to DL it |
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| 03:55.46 | Guerin | googlefight: python programming language = 2,860,000 ; perl programming language = 4,400,000 |
| 03:55.53 | Guerin | perl is teh winnar! |
| 03:55.58 | Xenguy | levander: I think you're trying to make a simple point complicated ;-) |
| 03:55.59 | levander | Detox: it won't be finished until October I think, but ubuntu's working on edubuntu |
| 03:56.15 | sadfgg | Guerin, Seems so |
| 03:56.28 | Guerin | sounds like levander is YAPZ |
| 03:56.30 | Detox | great |
| 03:56.34 | Detox | will look for it |
| 03:56.42 | Guerin | anyway, to work :) |
| 03:56.45 | lakbu | any guide on how to setup a Debian Sarge box to be a PPP server? |
| 03:56.57 | levander | sadfgg: find somebody's who already packaged python ready to go for solaris, I can't imagine somebody hasn't done that. Maybe get a CD full of free software, which would include an installation package for perl |
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| 03:58.35 | k-man | what are the chances of getting my linksys wmp54g wireless card to work under linux? |
| 03:58.36 | nico22 | no body uses overnet??? what p2p client do you use? |
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| 03:58.59 | levander | Xenguy: no, it's just really wierd to act like python is somehow new, and up and coming |
| 03:59.17 | bobessutio | hello |
| 04:00.00 | bobessutio | python is cool! |
| 04:00.06 | Xenguy | levander: I didn't say python is "new", did I? It's a relative thing, comparing the two, that's all |
| 04:00.10 | sadfgg | what is the language called if I use this in a script (bash-scripting or BASIC): if [ $type = "p" ]; then |
| 04:00.23 | nico22 | any body there? |
| 04:01.34 | Xenguy | sadfgg: that looks like shell script |
| 04:02.05 | sadfgg | Xenguy, bash-script or shell-script? |
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| 04:02.47 | Xenguy | sadfgg: those are mostly the same thing (sh vs. bash vs csh, etc.) |
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| 04:03.17 | Xenguy | sadfgg: i.e. it uses a 'shell' |
| 04:03.32 | sadfgg | Xenguy, But what should I call it then, I'm about to write a CV so I would like to be as specific as possible |
| 04:03.49 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 04:04.14 | Xenguy | "shell script" would be the generic term me thinks =) |
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| 04:04.33 | lzzmn | hi |
| 04:04.57 | lzzmn | what is time is it now? |
| 04:06.16 | ke6isf | !time |
| 04:06.16 | dpkg | somebody said time was found on http://www.time.com/, or Tue Aug 2 04:06:13 2005 |
| 04:06.21 | levander | Nobody knows how to use mkisofs graft points? |
| 04:06.25 | lzzmn | nobody here? |
| 04:06.46 | wiegehts | running a 2.6.11 kernel and having a default resume partition (swap) set in the kernel, echo "4" /proc/acpi/sleep is working great. Finally , linux is fully functional on my laptop! |
| 04:07.05 | De_Mon | whos this nobody person he seems to know everything |
| 04:07.18 | ke6isf | And lo, wiegehts announced that Linux was fully functional on their laptop. And there was much rejoicing. |
| 04:07.20 | ke6isf | (yay) |
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| 04:13.00 | levander | I've got some file, /etc/printcap, on my system. It's a link to /var/run/cups/printcap. But, that second file doesn't exist. And, I don't have the cups package installed on my system. Anybody know why this is? 'dpkg -S /etc/printcap' says that file belongs to no package. |
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| 04:14.11 | wwallace | how do i print a test page from konsole in a networked printer? |
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| 04:15.40 | daedalus_ | levander: is this a fresh system, or has it been in use? |
| 04:16.16 | levander | daedalus_: it's been in use, about nine months now |
| 04:16.27 | levander | daedalus_: i know i've never had cups out there |
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| 04:18.08 | chacho | alright |
| 04:18.57 | chacho | my rhythmbox wont let me load any more songs, and i have reinstalled it, removed all songs from the playlist and put them back on, and deleted the .gnome2/rhythmbox folder and all combinations |
| 04:19.01 | chacho | and nothing changes |
| 04:19.11 | chacho | it still loads the playlist up until all the songs i added after a certain date |
| 04:19.18 | chacho | then won't add any more |
| 04:19.46 | chacho | its discriminatory by date ripped |
| 04:20.36 | ke6isf | !tell chacho about repeat |
| 04:20.58 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 04:20.58 | dpkg | Yes, twistedemotions, you're still online. |
| 04:21.07 | TwistedEmotions | !tell TwistedEmotions about help |
| 04:21.17 | TwistedEmotions | ohh.. I thought the bot wasnt working.. |
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| 04:21.54 | ke6isf | TwistedEmotions: I've been working with it for the past ten minutes. |
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| 04:22.21 | TwistedEmotions | ke6isf: who broke it? |
| 04:22.27 | TwistedEmotions | ke6isf: Ill eat him. |
| 04:22.34 | chacho | ke6isf, i fail to see the relevance |
| 04:22.48 | chacho | i related my problem once, was offered a solution, and it didnt work, so i came back |
| 04:22.52 | TwistedEmotions | ke6isf: working with it as in trying to fix it... or working as in just using it? |
| 04:22.55 | chacho | to see if any further assistance was availible |
| 04:23.09 | ke6isf | Just been using it. |
| 04:23.18 | ke6isf | chacho: you have asked this more than once now. |
| 04:23.19 | TwistedEmotions | ahhh kk. |
| 04:23.28 | chacho | ke6isf, yes, twice |
| 04:23.32 | TwistedEmotions | chacho: switch to xmms. |
| 04:23.35 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
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| 04:23.39 | TwistedEmotions | There.. solved. |
| 04:23.42 | chacho | lol good idea twisted |
| 04:24.34 | TwistedEmotions | wait... are you talking about a mp3 player (like ipod) or a mp3 player(like software)..? |
| 04:24.44 | chacho | software |
| 04:24.47 | chacho | rhythmbox |
| 04:24.52 | chacho | gnome's music player |
| 04:24.54 | TwistedEmotions | the my solution stands.. |
| 04:24.55 | cddesjar | if i add a experimental source to my sources.list file will it mess up my computer? i am currently running testing and want to download openoffice.org2 via experiemental |
| 04:25.21 | levander | Somebody can tell me why this command fails with the message "mount: Not a directory". The command 'sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 test.iso /mnt/extra' |
| 04:25.32 | chacho | ha yes actually i think i am going to do that right now |
| 04:25.36 | chacho | dont know why i hadnt thought of that |
| 04:25.40 | ke6isf | levander: 'file /mnt/extra' |
| 04:25.45 | TwistedEmotions | cddesjar: no... there should be no major problem... just install whatever package you want and then set it back.. |
| 04:25.49 | ke6isf | levander: Your mount point syhould be a directory. |
| 04:26.07 | levander | ke6isf: /mnt/extra is a directory |
| 04:26.20 | ke6isf | levander: =O.o= |
| 04:26.20 | cddesjar | so add it, get my package, then remove it? |
| 04:26.42 | levander | ke6isf: I wonder if that's a really silly way of saying the iso is corrupt? |
| 04:27.02 | ke6isf | levander: I wonder then if you can fsck an unmounted ISO then. =O.o= |
| 04:27.21 | levander | ke6isf: no way, I'm not even going to try |
| 04:27.33 | levander | lemme look at the fsck man page |
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| 04:27.57 | levander | forget it, it's time for bed |
| 04:27.59 | levander | night buys |
| 04:28.01 | levander | guys* |
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| 04:29.07 | ozzloy | how do i get a listing of all files on my computer with largest files at the bottom? |
| 04:29.14 | kingsley | Is anyone here using the unstable version of apache (1.3.33-6), or has gcc/g++ 4.0 broken it? |
| 04:29.28 | cddesjar | i download the openoffice.org2 snapshots off the internet, used alien to convert them from rpms to deb files, and now i want to uninstall them and install them from experiemental. does anyone have any idea how i would go about doing this? |
| 04:29.35 | dondelelcaro | ozzloy: find with a bit of sort magick will do it. |
| 04:30.46 | blitx | cddesjar, dpkg -r maybe? |
| 04:31.02 | dondelelcaro | ozzloy: find . -type f -printf '%s %p\n'|sort -n; FE. |
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| 04:31.11 | ozzloy | dondelelcaro, thanx! |
| 04:31.17 | cddesjar | blitx: what would i type for <maybe> |
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| 04:31.21 | dondelelcaro | ozzloy: man find; man sort. |
| 04:31.32 | ozzloy | that looks cool. will do |
| 04:31.47 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: find is superfluous, some legerdemain with ls -lS should be fine. |
| 04:31.53 | blitx | cddesjar, package name you installed |
| 04:32.09 | blitx | cddesjar, dpkg -r means remove just like -i meant install |
| 04:32.28 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: the problem set was "a listing of all files on my computer"; which you can't do with ls -SR. |
| 04:32.57 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Ah, OK, I missed that bit. |
| 04:33.23 | dondelelcaro | (not to mention the other issues with using ls that find doesn't have) |
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| 04:34.41 | mage | hey does disc 1 of the 14 set have any good stuff? or would it be silly to use that vs the netinstall disc? |
| 04:34.54 | daedalus_ | Silly |
| 04:35.12 | dondelelcaro | mage: if you've already got it, use it; if not; no point in downloading it. |
| 04:35.19 | joecool | LLLLLL LKMJ |
| 04:35.19 | mage | darn, I dislike wasting space on CDs |
| 04:35.29 | ke6isf | mage: netinst is fine if you have broadband |
| 04:35.38 | daedalus_ | I think disc 1 has essentially the std installer, so you can use it, but a netinstall disk would be a better choice if you can do it. |
| 04:35.46 | joecool | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:35.53 | gravity | ugh |
| 04:36.07 | mage | okay I'll try disc one the next time I install debian then ;) |
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| 04:36.17 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 04:36.18 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Naw, it wa the cat asking for Debian help. =^^= |
| 04:36.20 | glasse | So are people starting to think about the next release? |
| 04:36.32 | daedalus_ | Hahaha |
| 04:36.32 | joecool | ugh.. falled asleep on the keys again |
| 04:36.45 | ke6isf | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 04:36.46 | dinesh_ | Hi Guys, I need to install debian base from the internet how can I doit |
| 04:36.49 | chacho | haha nice joe |
| 04:36.52 | ke6isf | joecool: Go to bed! |
| 04:37.10 | ke6isf | !tell dinesh_ -about netinst |
| 04:37.12 | joecool | dondelelcaro: uh, thanks for wakin me up.. i have xchat set to beep when that happens |
| 04:37.18 | joecool | :) |
| 04:37.18 | mage | ooo i forgot to ask about a possible nocd method |
| 04:37.21 | daedalus_ | !beer dondelelcarlo |
| 04:37.25 | dondelelcaro | joecool: 21:36:03 * dondelelcaro thinks joecool has fallen asleap on his keyboard |
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| 04:37.36 | mage | !tell mage -about netinst |
| 04:37.39 | dondelelcaro | (just in case you were wondering why I was winning) |
| 04:37.42 | dinesh_ | I just went through the docs , unable to understand them |
| 04:37.56 | sadfgg | Which kind of programming language is this in a script?: if [ $whatever = "x" ]; then |
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| 04:38.03 | billions | it's simple =) just download the netinstall image and make a cd |
| 04:38.04 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: shell |
| 04:38.04 | ke6isf | dinesh_: Download the netinst ISO, burn to CD, boot the CD, and have fun. |
| 04:38.14 | ke6isf | sadfgg: Looks like shell script. |
| 04:38.28 | dondelelcaro | (although, it could be perl too... but then, perl can be polymorphic) |
| 04:38.39 | kingsley | Is anyone here using version 1.3.33-6 of apache? |
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| 04:38.45 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, ke6isf yes, its a shell script, but is the academic name of this code "shell"? |
| 04:38.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell kingsley -about ask |
| 04:38.58 | sadfgg | *programming language |
| 04:39.06 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: I don't think a semicolon is used in if statements in shell. |
| 04:39.10 | dinesh_ | Is that all I have to do |
| 04:39.12 | ke6isf | sadfgg: Um, shell. |
| 04:39.13 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: it is. |
| 04:39.15 | dinesh_ | :D |
| 04:39.20 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Ah. |
| 04:39.28 | dondelelcaro | shell is semi-colon happy. |
| 04:39.45 | dondelelcaro | It's primary rule is: when in doubt, add a semi-colon. |
| 04:39.46 | ke6isf | sadfgg: It might be bash, z, korn, tc, or just bourne. |
| 04:39.53 | dondelelcaro | s/'// |
| 04:40.10 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Ah, indeed. I tend not to semicolon my shell scripts. |
| 04:40.15 | dinesh_ | thanks, then Ill be back if I have any problem thanks again Guys |
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| 04:40.37 | ke6isf | sadfgg: Never mind, misunderstood. Yes, it is. |
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| 04:40.51 | necrogami | Here's my problem: i installed Mozilla-Firefox w/ Apt-get and installed Java via the executable bin file on java.com i want to link Mozilla to the java what symlink do i need to put in ??? |
| 04:40.52 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, is it bash-scripting bash BASIC or what =), They all same different things |
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| 04:41.11 | Phated | BASIC isn't shell script. |
| 04:41.28 | ke6isf | fark, I should know better than to be in here when I need sleep. |
| 04:41.40 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: bash is a specific shell; the generic class of scripting is generally called shell if it's written for a POSIX compliant shell. If not, it's said to be written in bash or zsh or whatever. |
| 04:43.00 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, ok, Shell programming and not Shell-scripting? |
| 04:43.09 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: doesn't matter. |
| 04:43.18 | kingsley | What's the URL for debian changelogs? |
| 04:43.25 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, whats most academic of then then |
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| 04:44.11 | SharpShooter | can i get a copy of an sarge apt.conf file? |
| 04:44.11 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: doesn't matter; most people will call it shell scripting, but it really makes no difference |
| 04:44.12 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, Shell it should be, because it can be used directly in the shell and not only as a script, correct? |
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| 04:45.33 | zorton | anything like pftop for iptables? |
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| 04:48.11 | SerajewelKS | the barcode package seems to have broken codabar support -- the last few bars of a real code are replaced with a few more bars not in the code. has anyone had experience with codabar, and are the two different barcodes from the same number compatible with each other? |
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| 04:48.35 | SerajewelKS | and/or is this too off-topic? |
| 04:49.24 | SerajewelKS | to put it another way, every website i come across with codabar examples, the barcode program in the barcode package render the last few bars slightly differently |
| 04:49.41 | SerajewelKS | leading me to believe that the websites are correct and barcode isn't doing codabar right |
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| 04:50.29 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: I'd suggest filing a bug |
| 04:50.48 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, already did that, but the bugs already filed on that package are > 2 years old |
| 04:50.56 | SerajewelKS | seems like a dead package |
| 04:51.16 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: well, that's often the case; your other choice is to fix the problem yourself I guess. |
| 04:51.27 | libertine | libx116,the dead thing |
| 04:51.41 | libertine | i hate it,all dependence |
| 04:52.24 | SimonRaven | die, 1979 tech |
| 04:52.41 | smacnay | Hi, I am trying to compile my nvidia driver (module) using make-kpkg. I am getting an error when the make-kpkg modules_image command calls 'i486-linux-gnu-gcc' - there is no command by that name on my computer. There is, however, a 'i486-linux-gcc-3,3' - should I put a symlink that one? |
| 04:52.53 | SimonRaven | !kill BIOS |
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| 04:53.32 | welson | where's there a template for start-stop-daemon scripts? |
| 04:54.11 | SimonRaven | welson: try looking at /etc/init.d/skeleton and the README there |
| 04:54.46 | welson | SimonRaven, thanks, i knew i saw it somewhere :) |
| 04:54.48 | blitx | how do you set default applications? |
| 04:54.54 | SerajewelKS | mmm |
| 04:55.02 | SimonRaven | you don't |
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| 04:55.04 | blitx | I want to change what opens particular extensions from their defaults |
| 04:55.04 | SharpShooter | can some 1 give me the apt-get list of server for a sarge install cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:55.12 | SerajewelKS | looks like barcode's codabar is appending -* to the end of the codes, while my card has a T at the end |
| 04:55.18 | SerajewelKS | it's a shame they didn't think to let you change that |
| 04:55.21 | croepha | how can i tell ssh to lock out an IP after somany auth failures? |
| 04:55.23 | SimonRaven | blitx: maybe you're thinking of the alternatives system though |
| 04:56.18 | blitx | SimonRaven, eh? I just want to make MP3s open with beep instead of Totem |
| 04:56.44 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, looks like barcode doesn't support codabar start/end letters, assuming that everything starts with "a" and ends with "-*" |
| 04:56.54 | SimonRaven | blitx: set it with gnome or something |
| 04:57.15 | blitx | SimonRaven, any clue on the app that does it? I can't find one |
| 04:57.24 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, if i come up with a patch for this, can you guide me through submitting it or however that kinds of stuff gets done? |
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| 04:58.07 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: sure; but the process is simple: 1) File the bug against bugs.debian.org; 2) Make a patch, test it, submit it to the bug 3) Ping the maintainer to update the package with the patch |
| 04:58.20 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: if the maintainer never responds, take over the maintenance of the package. |
| 04:58.32 | mwilson | <whew> |
| 04:58.37 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, okay, is that a good idea since i really don't know what i'm doing? |
| 04:58.43 | SerajewelKS | taking over the package |
| 04:59.22 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: well, the idea is to learn what you're doing, since it seems that no one else really cares about that package. |
| 04:59.44 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, true, this could be my intro to how debian packages work on the inside |
| 04:59.56 | SerajewelKS | kind of a crash-and-burn intro, so we hope no one else uses this =) |
| 05:00.04 | mwilson | What package? |
| 05:00.05 | ohad | i already asked this on #postfix -- everyone is sleeping -- i am helping this company to host their email server (running postfix) - the want to send emails from one of their windows servers (using asp script) via the smtp of their remote email server (the postfix) but without including any of the info of the windows server in the headers of the sending machine. only the postfix machine. is that possible? |
| 05:00.39 | mwilson | ohad: Really trying hard to get that exploit to work, huh? |
| 05:00.48 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: well, no one will actually apply your patches until they're convinced that they're ready, and a sponsor won't let you upload it either until that's the case; so the worst thing that could happen is you spend time learning how to get work done. |
| 05:00.51 | SerajewelKS | ohad, well, you could always hack up postfix... |
| 05:01.04 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, sponsor? |
| 05:01.19 | SimonRaven | blitx: ok, what are trying to do exactly? what's the environment. details :) |
| 05:01.26 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: You can't upload, you're not a DD. You need a sponsor to upload for you. |
| 05:01.30 | glasse | What would cause a package to appear on packages.debian.org/stable but not in aptitude with stable sources? |
| 05:01.33 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: since you aren't a DD, a DD will have to sponsor the actual upload of the packages into Debian; regardless, fix the bug first. |
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| 05:01.41 | dondelelcaro | glasse: which package? |
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| 05:02.19 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, dondelelcaro, DD? is there a debian glossary? |
| 05:02.24 | dondelelcaro | !dd |
| 05:02.24 | dpkg | from memory, dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer |
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| 05:02.39 | glasse | libxrender1 shows as 0.8.3-7 on the site, but only 0.8.3-1 on the deb source |
| 05:02.39 | SerajewelKS | okay |
| 05:02.57 | mwilson | glasse: Make sure you're looking at the right architecture. |
| 05:03.01 | SerajewelKS | i'll be back after i fix the bug, assuming that i can, and that i'm not just using the barcode syntax wrong |
| 05:03.12 | blitx | SimonRaven, I've got Debian 3.1 and it default plays MP3 files with Totem. Totem is buggy for me and I like beep-media-player (winampish, clean). I want to make MP3 files play with beep. |
| 05:03.26 | dondelelcaro | !info libxrender1 stable |
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| 05:03.37 | SimonRaven | blitx: is this gnome? kde? what? |
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| 05:03.39 | glasse | mwilson: It's listed there for i386, which is the machine I'm running on |
| 05:03.42 | dpkg | libxrender1: (X Rendering Extension client library), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.3-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
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| 05:04.04 | blitx | SimonRaven, Gnome on gdm |
| 05:04.09 | glasse | And it's on the mirrors too, but it doesn't show in aptitude |
| 05:04.17 | mwilson | Myself, I play MP3's with mpg123, but that's just me. |
| 05:04.26 | dondelelcaro | glasse: have you run aptitude update; recently? what mirror are you using? |
| 05:04.52 | glasse | I can paste my sources.list if you like. I pressed "u" in aptitude, that updates it, right? |
| 05:04.55 | SimonRaven | blitx: gdm doesn't have anything to do with this... you can set it via right click on the file you wanna have that set for. it's in the 3rd tab i think |
| 05:05.02 | dondelelcaro | glasse: yes; use the paster bot to do that. |
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| 05:05.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell glasse -about paster |
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| 05:05.53 | paster | "glasse" at 66.114.70.80 pasted "sources.list" (7 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/435 |
| 05:05.53 | blitx | SimonRaven, excellent--thanks a lot dude |
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| 05:05.57 | rixth | !info mozilla-firefox |
| 05:06.02 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7440 kB, Installed size: 21012 kB |
| 05:06.08 | rixth | !info mozilla-firefox etch |
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| 05:06.26 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 05:06.27 | rixth | *dpkg* Updating debian files... please wait. << Interesting. |
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| 05:06.41 | rixth | Geez! Still 1.0.4. |
| 05:06.42 | mwilson | Now I'm just waiting for the phone calls. :) |
| 05:06.44 | Person | hello |
| 05:07.24 | Person | anyone play cube? |
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| 05:08.46 | dondelelcaro | glasse: that mirror is seriously out of date |
| 05:09.36 | glasse | dondelelcaro: I also tried the mit one listed in the deb-src line. I think the file is on the mirror, maybe the packages list is out of date? |
| 05:10.26 | dondelelcaro | glasse: what are you trying to download? the source package? |
| 05:10.32 | glasse | No, the binary |
| 05:11.05 | dondelelcaro | glasse: well, use the mit one, and run aptitude update; you should then see the -7 package. |
| 05:11.22 | dondelelcaro | glasse: if you don't, use the paster bot to show the output of apt-cache policy; |
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| 05:11.34 | mwilson | <sigh> I *really* wish all the mirrors would sync up. |
| 05:12.02 | dondelelcaro | we're basically waiting on the mirror operators to update the access lists |
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| 05:12.50 | ohad | SerajewelKS, hack it how? |
| 05:13.26 | SerajewelKS | ohad, hack =~ study and modify the sources |
| 05:13.34 | paster | "glasse" at 66.114.70.80 pasted "apt-cache policy" (11 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/436 |
| 05:15.15 | agent0range | anyone help me out with a wifi card that wont get an ip? |
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| 05:15.42 | agent0range | iwlist fonds the router and i have set my ssid |
| 05:15.54 | agent0range | its an open network |
| 05:16.45 | ohad | SerajewelKS,ok |
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| 05:16.55 | agent0range | i have 2 interfaces eth0 and wifi0 on diff routers 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.1 |
| 05:17.24 | agent0range | /etc/resolve.conf has both in there as nameservers |
| 05:17.52 | mwilson | What do nameservers have to do with it? |
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| 05:18.17 | agent0range | im just tellin u what i checked |
| 05:18.28 | mwilson | The card either associates with the access point, or it does not. Does it? |
| 05:18.31 | mwilson | !u |
| 05:18.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:18.33 | ar_m8ty | is there a gui way of telling me what users are logged on my ftp? i use proftpd |
| 05:19.03 | ugly | because Serv-U has a GUI! |
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| 05:19.18 | mwilson | Serv-U also has more holes than wu-ftpd. |
| 05:19.27 | ugly | you have more holes than wu-ftpd |
| 05:19.32 | agent0range | mwilson i cant get an ip from the router .. and i cant check it either |
| 05:19.50 | mwilson | You can't "check" it? What does that mean? |
| 05:20.03 | agent0range | mwilson the router logs |
| 05:20.09 | mwilson | Why not? |
| 05:20.21 | agent0range | i dont have the pass :/ |
| 05:20.23 | mwilson | Let me guess... it's not your router. |
| 05:20.29 | mwilson | Ok, I'm done. |
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| 05:20.43 | mwilson | I don't assist people in stealing services. |
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| 05:21.00 | agent0range | im not stealing anyhing ... its my dads |
| 05:21.06 | DamienK | hey all, newbie to Debian here |
| 05:21.08 | mwilson | Sure it is. |
| 05:21.08 | agent0range | hes asleep |
| 05:21.17 | mwilson | Sure he is. |
| 05:21.21 | ugly | haha |
| 05:21.28 | agent0range | im serious |
| 05:21.41 | agent0range | i just setup debian today |
| 05:21.54 | mwilson | Then when he's awake, you can ask him for his help in connecting to HIS router. |
| 05:21.58 | DamienK | how do I stop NIS when the laptop boots? |
| 05:22.10 | agent0range | i know the ssid and its an open net |
| 05:22.14 | mwilson | Why did you install NIS? |
| 05:22.24 | ugly | agent0range: I'm confused - what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:22.28 | asd | a |
| 05:22.28 | SerajewelKS | remind me not to run `apt-get source` while i'm in /etc/apt |
| 05:22.29 | DamienK | mwilson I didnt, apt-get upgrade did |
| 05:22.33 | asd | Anyone can help me here? |
| 05:22.39 | ugly | agent0range: "I can't get an IP and I can't check it" !? |
| 05:22.41 | asd | is this the iso i shd download http://debian.im.nuk.edu.tw/pub/debian/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 05:22.44 | mwilson | DamienK: Nonsense. |
| 05:22.45 | agent0range | ugly im just trying to get a usable network card setup |
| 05:22.47 | DamienK | can I simply remove it |
| 05:22.56 | SerajewelKS | oh hey, i can run apt-get source without root... how cool is that |
| 05:23.14 | ugly | agent0range: if your wireless card supported? |
| 05:23.18 | ugly | agent0range: or are you using ndiswrapper? |
| 05:23.29 | agent0range | its an areonet card |
| 05:23.30 | mwilson | DamienK: The 'upgrade' target cannot change the installation state of a package, thus it cannot install something that was not already installed. |
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| 05:23.39 | agent0range | its supported |
| 05:23.43 | DamienK | mwilson thats odd |
| 05:23.45 | ugly | asd: if you have a network connection, use the netinst ISO - it's small and the preferred method |
| 05:23.51 | mwilson | agent0range: aironet cards are always fun. |
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| 05:24.02 | mwilson | DamienK: No, it's hardly odd, it's the documented behavior. |
| 05:24.08 | asd | ugly let say I dont have is that the iso i should download? |
| 05:24.26 | DamienK | well it used to boot fast as hell, but since that (apt-get upgrade) is stops for about 5 min on ypbind or NIS |
| 05:24.43 | mwilson | DamienK: Having said that, if you're not using NIS, there's no reason for support for it to be installed. So remove whatever you installed. |
| 05:24.46 | ugly | asd: I don't know what that ISO is offhand - you should use http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso if you have a network connection |
| 05:24.56 | SerajewelKS | DamienK, sure you didn't do a dist-upgrade? |
| 05:25.04 | agent0range | the only think i can think of .. is that it has something to do with the mac id error |
| 05:25.12 | mwilson | asd: You should actually read the installation guide, then you will know what to download. |
| 05:25.18 | ugly | agent0range: are you using WEP or WPA? |
| 05:25.22 | DamienK | DamienK that may have been it |
| 05:25.27 | asd | ok and one more thing. When i boot up with debian installation how to get into the advance mode? |
| 05:25.27 | zoid | anyone having any issues with the mysql upgrade in unstable? i noticed that just mysql-common is getting upgraded and not mysql-server to 5.xbeta, is that right? |
| 05:25.33 | mwilson | agent0range: All this, and you finally get around to describing the fact that you have an error? |
| 05:25.37 | DamienK | SerajewelKS keep in mind I am new to Deb and I was simply playing :) |
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| 05:25.45 | DamienK | its not a major issue |
| 05:25.57 | SerajewelKS | DamienK, dist-upgrade will install new packages to satisfy dependencies for packages being upgraded; upgrade will not install new packages, even if it means you can't install the lastest version of a package you already have |
| 05:26.02 | mwilson | zoid: That's the package state on the mirrors at the moment... whether or not you're going to allow it to take place on your machine is up to you. |
| 05:26.14 | agent0range | mwilson its unkown hardware address type |
| 05:26.34 | agent0range | ugly its not encrypted |
| 05:26.41 | mwilson | agent0range: Well hully gee... if you're getting an error, maybe that's why it's not getting an IP, huh? |
| 05:26.43 | zoid | mwilson: so the mysql-server and everything should be getting upgraded to 5.whatever, the packages just aren't updated? |
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| 05:26.59 | mwilson | zoid: I didn't say anything of the sort. |
| 05:27.13 | agent0range | thats def possible isnt it |
| 05:27.19 | zoid | i thought that's what you had meant, that's why i was clarifying :) guess not, heh |
| 05:27.27 | DamienK | SerajewelKS that is pretty clever |
| 05:27.44 | SerajewelKS | DamienK, yes, but it can cause trouble if you don't know which one does which =) |
| 05:27.52 | asd | ok and one more thing. When i boot up with debian installation how to get into the advance mode? |
| 05:27.59 | DamienK | SerajewelKS this Debian laptop started out as a Auditor Linux CD |
| 05:28.02 | asd | there something to type i remember |
| 05:28.09 | mwilson | zoid: Not being a member of Debian's MySQL team, I have no idea what their intention is. I am confirming to you that what you see in the mirrors is the actual state of affairs. As I said, whether you choose to allow mysql-common to upgrade to that version is your own decision. |
| 05:28.29 | agent0range | mwilson it a dhcpd error though |
| 05:28.37 | agent0range | erm dhclient |
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| 05:28.40 | mwilson | zoid: I imagine reading the changelog for the package might tell you something. |
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| 05:28.45 | zoid | mwilson: i see...just thought i'd try and ask here first, i'll wait a few days and see how things work out :) |
| 05:28.48 | mwilson | agent0range: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 05:28.55 | maher | zoid: why don't you wait a few days and read the bugs for msyql... |
| 05:29.33 | zoid | maher: that's what i'm doing :) (reading the bts now) and waiting a few days, heh |
| 05:30.40 | DamienK | where did the Name Debian come from? whats its meaning? |
| 05:30.48 | mwilson | !debian |
| 05:30.48 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 05:30.59 | DamienK | sorry, stupid n00b question |
| 05:31.06 | jm_ | DamienK: it's explained on the web page |
| 05:31.23 | glasse | dondelelcaro: I found the problem. The versions for libxrender1 are 1:0.8.3-1 and 0:0.8.3-7, so aptitude was maintaining the "higher" 1:0.8.3-1 version. |
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| 05:31.41 | tung | http://code.bulix.org/311 |
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| 05:32.00 | tung | i cant install ruby1.8-dev, ive got sarge installed |
| 05:32.03 | dondelelcaro | glasse: uh, the packages in debian don't have an epoch |
| 05:32.05 | tung | http://code.bulix.org/311 |
| 05:32.21 | DamienK | deb ian, ... smart :) |
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| 05:32.54 | tung | it says: ruby1.8-dev: Depends: libruby1.8 (= 1.8.2-7sarge1) but 1.8.2-9 is to be installed |
| 05:32.54 | mwilson | Didn't the Debian render packages briefly have an epoch? |
| 05:33.01 | tung | anyone know how to get around that? |
| 05:33.09 | dondelelcaro | er, nevermind... they do |
| 05:33.48 | mwilson | Wasn't that one of those evil Daniel Stone tries to hijack a package according to Branden things? |
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| 05:34.35 | mwilson | And then it turns out that isn't what happened and nothing comes of it? |
| 05:34.43 | mwilson | ('cept now we have an epoch) |
| 05:34.45 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, looks like it will be a simple patch. barcode doesn't know about four codabar control codes. |
| 05:34.59 | SerajewelKS | once i figure out the "pattern" syntax it will be a simple matter to add them |
| 05:35.00 | kingsley | Bad news! The American Conservative reports that U.S. vice president Dick Cheney is preparing to nuke Iran. http://amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html |
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| 05:35.46 | mwilson | kingsley: It's bad enough you're spamming #bash with that... do you have to do it here, too? |
| 05:35.49 | Pryon | we need all the fissionable material we have to power his 4-barrel pacemaker |
| 05:35.56 | karsten | !ops kingsley spam |
| 05:35.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kingsley spam |
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| 05:36.45 | karsten | Pryon: Then again, if *that's* the justification, maybe we _should_ use it elsewhere.... |
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| 05:38.10 | glasse | Hmm, firefox hangs on that url, I wonder why? |
| 05:38.32 | glasse | Oh, it's a flash thing |
| 05:38.58 | mwilson | Dunno... links loaded it just fine, no flash. Not that American Conservative is ever worth bothering with. |
| 05:39.10 | mwilson | It's like slashcrap without the amusing bits. |
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| 05:41.16 | ar_m8ty | is there a gui way of telling me what users are logged on my ftp? i use proftpd |
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| 05:42.20 | mwilson | ar_m8ty: And again I ask you, why would you need a GUI for that? |
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| 05:42.43 | ar_m8ty | sorry i didn't see you ask that |
| 05:43.07 | ar_m8ty | mwilson: cuz i want to see whos logged in how fast there downloading from me and stuff like that |
| 05:43.38 | ar_m8ty | mwilson: dont nessasarily need a GUI something cli would be nice tho |
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| 05:44.21 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i think i did it... |
| 05:44.47 | ar_m8ty | mwilson: what do you think.. is there a way i can acces that info ? |
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| 05:45.49 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, no, i didn't... it would be too simple of course |
| 05:46.39 | wobbler | ar_m8ty: jnettop might be what your looking for |
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| 05:49.38 | billatq | Hmm. How do you select a particular gcc version when compiling a kernel? |
| 05:49.48 | billatq | Does the alternates system work with gcc? |
| 05:49.51 | jm_ | by editing a Makefile |
| 05:49.53 | dondelelcaro | billatq: by specifying HOSTCC; read the Makefile. |
| 05:50.07 | billatq | dondelelcaro: Fair enough |
| 05:50.12 | jm_ | well no need to edit it I suppose |
| 05:50.18 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i got it! it turns out to be a two-horned problem. barcode didn't support the character i needed to terminate the barcode, and kbarcode won't let me disable checksumming for codabar. so i could file a patch against both. |
| 05:50.20 | dondelelcaro | (and then you'll make HOSTCC="foomagic") |
| 05:50.37 | billatq | And it's safe to assume that it does the right thing with make-kpkg? |
| 05:50.38 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: cool. file bugs and patches. |
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| 05:51.09 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, so i can get the exact code if i run barcode from the command line... |
| 05:51.12 | dondelelcaro | billatq: no. You have to use the MAKEFLAGS env variable; it's explained in the first 10 lines of man make-kpkg |
| 05:51.26 | SerajewelKS | if kbarcode is pretty simple i should be able to patch it without knowing squat about KDE |
| 05:51.27 | billatq | Ah, so it is |
| 05:51.30 | billatq | Thanks |
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| 05:52.48 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro++ |
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| 05:55.09 | luminerd | Thanks dondelelcaro |
| 05:55.17 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, how exactly do i create the patch, then how do i submit it? i already filed a bug report.. do i submit it there? |
| 05:55.49 | luminerd | Can anyone let me know of a good site to find specific linux drivers? or is google the best for that? |
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| 05:56.08 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: basically, diff -u oldfile newfile >> foopatch.diff; then send the diff as an attachment to bugnum@b.d.o |
| 05:56.39 | Shadowcat | can anyone reach the mplayer homepage? |
| 05:56.43 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, and if i modified more than one file? |
| 05:57.18 | DamienK | SerajewelKS I would rather not remove the NIS, I would rather turn it off |
| 05:57.20 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: then you just repeat the diff -u path/to/old/file path/to/new/file >> foopatch.diff |
| 05:57.28 | DamienK | is that simple to do in deb? if so where/how |
| 05:57.36 | zorton | I need something like top but for iptables, anyone seen or heard of such a beast? |
| 05:58.08 | SerajewelKS | DamienK, unlink the /etc/rc?.d/ entry for nis |
| 05:58.15 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, okay |
| 05:59.03 | DamienK | SerajewelKS --> S19nis -> ../init.d/nis |
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| 05:59.26 | DamienK | it is in rc3 and rc5 |
| 05:59.37 | SerajewelKS | DamienK, so rm in both plaes |
| 05:59.40 | SerajewelKS | places* |
| 06:00.05 | mwilson | Whether it's in 3 or 5 is irrelevant... whether it's in 2, that's what matters. |
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| 06:01.09 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, does it matter what the pathnames are? mine are ../barcode-0.98/codabar.c (old) codabar.c (new) |
| 06:01.15 | SerajewelKS | i'm guessing diff doesn't care when you're applying it |
| 06:01.40 | SerajewelKS | sorry if i'm pestering... i want to make sure i get this right |
| 06:01.46 | DamienK | SerajewelKS thx done.. |
| 06:01.49 | mwilson | Diff doesn't apply patches. Patch does, and yes, it cares about paths. That's kinda the point. |
| 06:02.08 | GullyFoyle | ok so i've installed the base system with the netinstaller and i've configured apt, how should i go about installing X and a desktop? |
| 06:02.12 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, okay... so what should the paths be in this case? |
| 06:02.45 | DamienK | well thats annoying, sshd isnt started by default |
| 06:02.55 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: There's no "should"... that's dictated by the package. You asked if something cared... I answered you. I'm not familiar with the barcode package so I have no idea how it's structured. |
| 06:03.00 | maher | GullyFoyle: try tasksel |
| 06:03.11 | GullyFoyle | mmmmkay |
| 06:03.13 | mwilson | DamienK: it is if you install it. |
| 06:03.16 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, well the package i modified is in barcode-0.98/codabar.c |
| 06:03.25 | DamienK | mwilson sshd is installed |
| 06:03.30 | DamienK | I just started it :) |
| 06:03.31 | SerajewelKS | err, s/package/file/ |
| 06:03.36 | GullyFoyle | lemme install screen so i can work the console |
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| 06:03.52 | mwilson | DamienK: Then it asked you whether or not you wanted it to start automatically when you first installed it, and you said "no". |
| 06:04.12 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: patch cares, but the developer will figure it out. |
| 06:04.20 | DamienK | mwilson I am not running Debian from the official release |
| 06:04.25 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: (assuming you keep the paths consistent, of course. |
| 06:04.32 | DamienK | <-- Linux sioux 2.6.11-auditor-10 |
| 06:04.52 | DamienK | mwilson so there are probably a few differences |
| 06:04.53 | mwilson | DamienK: Then why are you here? |
| 06:05.15 | DamienK | mwilson because I am wanting to learn about deb, is that ok? |
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| 06:05.25 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, they're kind consistent |
| 06:05.28 | SerajewelKS | kinda* |
| 06:05.39 | luminerd | Hello, I don't believe anyone seems to have noticed my question before....I am looking for nVidia 10/100 network drivers. |
| 06:05.45 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: well, so long as you haven't run diff from a different directory, it should be ok. |
| 06:05.47 | DamienK | I discovered Deb via that Bootable CD distro, which was transfered to the HDD |
| 06:05.57 | mwilson | luminerd: The one that's in the kernel doesn't work for you? |
| 06:06.00 | ghikla | cannot run the command 'gtk-config' despite having installed libgtk2.0-dev. what else is missing? |
| 06:06.14 | luminerd | mwilson, well, I'm not sure, it does not work on a fresh install. |
| 06:06.25 | luminerd | mwilson, unless I am doing something wrong... |
| 06:06.26 | mwilson | ghikla: gtk-config is part of GTK 1.x, not 2.x |
| 06:06.32 | jm_ | gtk-config is for GTK 1.2 |
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| 06:06.44 | dondelelcaro | !+find gtk-config |
| 06:06.46 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:06.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk-config' (3): (/usr/bin/gtk-config) in libdevel/libgtk1.2-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtk1.2-doc/gtk-config.txt.gz) in doc/libgtk1.2-doc ;; (/usr/share/icons/gartoon/scalable/stock/gtk-configure.svg) in gnome/gnome-icon-theme-gartoon. |
| 06:06.59 | luminerd | Is someone willing to explain to me a good way to start from scratch setting up a Debian system with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:07.10 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: just boot with linux26 |
| 06:07.14 | ghikla | mwilson, how to know if i have gtk1.2? |
| 06:07.35 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: it's explained in great detail in the installation manual and in the kernel boot prompts |
| 06:07.36 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, thank you, I did that but unfortunately when I get to the screen for language selection my keyboard ceases to work |
| 06:07.56 | mwilson | luminerd: I have no idea whether or not discover can see an interface requiring forcedeth... I'd never own an nVidia motherboard, so the question never comes up. |
| 06:08.00 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: use the nousb or noacpi options hten as appropriate. |
| 06:08.30 | ghikla | jm_, how to know if i have gtk1.2? |
| 06:08.41 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, I do not understand |
| 06:08.50 | dondelelcaro | *** I will be removing ~39 lines worth of bans in 1 minute. /ignore #debian MODES; is strongly recommended *** |
| 06:08.51 | *** join/#debian xcyborg__ (~service@ns.bitdefender.com) |
| 06:09.28 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:10.04 | dondelelcaro | *** Unbanning begins. use /ignore #debian MODES *** |
| 06:10.06 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@194.149.135.63 *!*@66.36.229.204 *!*@bioinfo.stat.harvard.edu] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.06 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@ACC8B7E5.ipt.aol.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.06 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@cpe-204-210-133-72.hvc.res.rr.com *!*@p508B769E.dip.t-dialin.net *!*@c-24-61-227-103.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.10 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@201.240.198.64] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.12 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@p508B4E64.dip.t-dialin.net *!*@193.136.157.2 *!*@u15167125.onlinehome-server.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.15 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@cpe-24-24-200-82.socal.res.rr.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.18 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@ARennes-251-1-52-141.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr *!*@ARennes-251-1-59-46.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr *!*@ARennes-251-1-24-169.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.21 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@ARennes-251-1-52-168.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.23 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@67.18.96.210 *!*@pcp0011185277pcs.brick101.nj.comcast.net *!*@101.Red-81-38-51.pooles.rima-tde.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.27 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@137.Red-213-97-169.pooles.rima-tde.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.29 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@194.165.133.62 *!*@82.153.193.31 *!*@66.188.69.181] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.32 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@cs-wifi2.cdf.toronto.edu] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.34 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@bzq-219-234-229.pop.bezeqint.net *!*@Toronto-HSE-ppp3921757.sympatico.ca *!*@ip68-110-16-114.om.om.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.37 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@emelfm2.org] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.40 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@205.205.17.116 *!*@102.23.97-84.rev.gaoland.net *!*@210.22.80.74] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.42 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@202.83.78.17] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.45 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@212.156.210.196 *!*@cpe-24-58-57-179.twcny.res.rr.com *!*@217.20.114.73] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.47 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@60-240-218-139.tpgi.com.au] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.50 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@200-153-224-220.dsl.telesp.net.br *!*@82.198.109.230 *!*@gamestar.iseek.com.au] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.52 | ghikla | what the hell is this? |
| 06:10.53 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@85.98.101.17] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.53 | DamienK | gezz... cut sick on that banning |
| 06:10.55 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@203.149.72.167 *!*@starbug.ugh.net.au *!*@ADijon-151-1-96-82.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.58 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@81-172-25-105.usuarios.retecal.es] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.01 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@143-30.9-67.tampabay.res.rr.com *!*@S0106000fb5a0a365.vc.shawcable.net *!*@ADijon-151-1-27-254.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.04 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@ip70-186-97-10.ma.dl.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.06 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@ACCE45F2.ipt.aol.com *!*@ce.stclair-isd.k12.mi.us *!*@c-24-131-139-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.09 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@host81-157-41-127.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.12 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@200-77-214-102.ctetij.cablered.com.mx *!*@p54A9A53F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de *!*@c3eea3f2e.cable.wanadoo.nl] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.15 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@jermo.latnet.lv] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.17 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@219.83.4.45 *!*@85.96.160.119 *!*@pcp0011804626pcs.pembroke.ga.savannah.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.20 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@82.198.108.104] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.20 | ghikla | can someone do something? |
| 06:11.23 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@213.197.129.54 *!*@80.232.201.244 *!*@dikky.us] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.25 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@netbsd.amdwebhost.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.28 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@66.90.87.250 *!*adam@godfailed.org *!*@203.130.207.179] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.30 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@194.146.155.22] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.30 | luminerd | ghikla, it's not like it wasn't announced |
| 06:11.33 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@c3eea35fe.cable.wanadoo.nl *!*@81.213.201.24 *!*@adsl-67-127-159-62.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.36 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@cpc2-basf3-3-0-cust56.nott.cable.ntl.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.38 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@cpe-24-208-247-116.twmi.res.rr.com *!*@82.198.109.233 *!*@mellistekm.kylatee.kodu.ee] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.41 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@62.114.126.29] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.42 | don_inlab | ghikla: I told you to /ignore #debian MODES; if you don't want to do that, there's not much I can do for you. |
| 06:11.44 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@213.226.30.193 *!*@toronto-HSE-ppp4054685.sympatico.ca *!*@148.204.74.39] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.46 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@200.202.248.195] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.49 | *** mode/#debian [-bb *!*@ppp83-237-15-104.pppoe.mtu-net.ru *!*@83.230.155.56] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.51 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb slaviero*!*@sharon.eafc.edu.br *!*gomgom@200.61.236.* ekm*!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.54 | *** mode/#debian [-b ekm!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.56 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb snadge!*@* THUG-banga!*@* aysennnnn!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.57 | cougar` | omg |
| 06:11.57 | luminerd | don_inlab, the thing is that does not work. |
| 06:11.59 | *** mode/#debian [-b tgwj!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.01 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb Dizer!*@* BeKo!*@* Aronofsky!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.04 | *** mode/#debian [-b amyb!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.06 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb Maregito!*@* MAxiMuS!*@* awad!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.09 | *** mode/#debian [-b bigwilk!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.11 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb rr72*!*@* Socket!*@* tuffster!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.13 | SerajewelKS | luminerd, then get a decent IRC client |
| 06:12.14 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*banjo@*hstntx.swbell.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.14 | don_inlab | *shrug* find out what the equivalent is for your client then. |
| 06:12.16 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb bahamut!*@* impulze!*@* Monitor!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.19 | *** mode/#debian [-b OPEC!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.21 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb tavo!*@* FreeSTyLe!*@* RUXSPINZ!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.23 | Thasp | This channel has quite a few banns. |
| 06:12.24 | exobyte | what happens if there's a rule in iptables for a non-existant (say, ppp0) interface? |
| 06:12.24 | *** mode/#debian [-b tremere!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.24 | Thasp | bans, even |
| 06:12.25 | luminerd | SerajewelKS, I would consider XChat to be decent. |
| 06:12.26 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb cind17!*@* DiscoMania!*@* *!*@a83-132-100-*.netcabo.pt] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.28 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, patch is on its way |
| 06:12.29 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*kurumin@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.31 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb torpet!*@* lish_!*@* *!root@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.34 | *** mode/#debian [-b mks!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.36 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb Nikos!*@* RA!*@* mcliberlinux!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
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| 06:12.39 | *** mode/#debian [-b protoloco!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.40 | ghikla | what the fuck, go to hell. |
| 06:12.40 | Thasp | I knew an OS could spark trolls, but.. jeez. |
| 06:12.41 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb calin!*@* eOrk!*@* zzyber!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.44 | *** mode/#debian [-b mUstAfA!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.46 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*Baby16_@81.212.112.* pOLice!*@* *!*yyeliz@212.156.60.*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.47 | luminerd | ah well I don't mind it will end soon. |
| 06:12.49 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*Elif___@81.212.13.*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.51 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*HiJyen@81.212.13.* *!*win2lin@61.11.47.* *!*incog@*.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.54 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*x@64.252.189.*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.57 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*dcom@*.bmly.cable.ntl.com *!*eifersuch@*.satxpress.net *!*@*.netvigator.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.59 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*ehe39@*.optonline.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:13.01 | *** join/#debian abauer (~abauer@p5498C351.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:13.02 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*MeTTaL@217.144.13.* *!*nobody@*kbrooks.user mp3j!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:13.04 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@*.eggdrop.lv] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:13.07 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@*.ttnet.net.tr M-A-D-O-N-N-!*@* rofflewaffle!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:13.09 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*SpeeD@81.212.112.*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:13.10 | Thasp | go dondelelcaro. |
| 06:13.13 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb Zombi!*@* *!*soloflyer@*.tmns.net.au *!*@85.97.*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:13.20 | SerajewelKS | sounds like we've been having some fun here =) |
| 06:13.21 | luminerd | lol...39? More like 2500 |
| 06:13.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:13.30 | luminerd | lol |
| 06:13.36 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:13.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*root@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:13.44 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 06:13.54 | exobyte | wtf is wrong here? |
| 06:13.56 | SerajewelKS | luminerd, who said 39? |
| 06:14.03 | SerajewelKS | exobyte, nothing, why |
| 06:14.03 | Thasp | more like 3900.. |
| 06:14.05 | jeh_work | heh, irc:ing as root isn't allowed? |
| 06:14.12 | luminerd | dondelelcaro *** I will be removing ~39 lines worth of bans in 1 minute. |
| 06:14.21 | SerajewelKS | luminerd, ah |
| 06:14.25 | dondelelcaro | well, it was 39 lines; but the modes per line seems to be messed up here. |
| 06:14.31 | luminerd | ah |
| 06:14.35 | welson | i'm having trouble with start-stop-daemon, there's this server that i believe requires -b and still start-stop-daemon is not managing to put it into memory, it's pid file does get written however.. |
| 06:14.38 | mwilson | luminerd: You'd be the only one. |
| 06:15.07 | luminerd | mwilson, actually XChat is the best GUI Irc out there, imo and many others' |
| 06:15.21 | exobyte | SerajewelKS: all the mode stuff |
| 06:15.23 | luminerd | I'm not willing to use Irssi. I know it's quite good, but I cannot stand the colors |
| 06:15.26 | mwilson | luminerd: Which says little for the quality of GUI IRC clients. |
| 06:15.35 | mwilson | So change the colors. Wow, that was hard. |
| 06:15.52 | luminerd | mwilson, mind your own business aight? not here to debate. |
| 06:16.01 | dondelelcaro | A[A[B |
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| 06:16.30 | mwilson | luminerd: Then don't throw out your opinion of what's good and not expect someone to respond to it. |
| 06:16.49 | welson | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.52 | luminerd | mwilson, I don't care to discuss this further, though you are being quite ridiculous |
| 06:17.03 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, So, what do you mean by that last bit before the bans? |
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| 06:17.04 | jm_ | welson: heh |
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| 06:17.29 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: if you have a problem with someone, use /ignore; don't bait them. |
| 06:17.32 | welson | i'm kind of dumb-- i know its a stupid mistake but can't tell where.. |
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| 06:17.50 | jm_ | looks like a bug in this daemon or a problem with your system |
| 06:17.52 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, lol, that's what started the problem: I can't figure out /ignore in this client |
| 06:18.00 | luminerd | but no matter |
| 06:18.12 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: well, you've got the documentation; #xchat is also right over there --> |
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| 06:18.31 | luminerd | thank you. anyway, what were you trying to say about the options to use as needed? |
| 06:18.57 | ghkila | ok, the madness has stopped. |
| 06:18.58 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: use the nousb or noacpi options hten as appropriate; see alt-f{3,4,5} etc. |
| 06:19.42 | dondelelcaro | ghkila: I'd strongly suggest learning the features of your IRC client; it's fairly trivial to ignore modes in most decent ones. |
| 06:19.44 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, I don't know what those are, or when would be appropriate. alt-f3 doesn't work for me yet as I'm not that far into the install |
| 06:19.52 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, kbarcode patch submitted... this is fun |
| 06:19.57 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: cool |
| 06:19.59 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i think i'm liking the open-source thing =) |
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| 06:20.06 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: now, go fix more bugs and submit more patches. ;-) |
| 06:20.21 | ghkila | i ahve got better things to do. you should avoid such crap. |
| 06:20.23 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, a few more days of this and i'm ready for open-source rehab clinic |
| 06:20.34 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: they show up at the very first boot prompt. You did read everything on the very first screen that showed up, right? |
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| 06:20.47 | exobyte | what happens if there's a rule in iptables for a non-existant (say, ppp0) interface? |
| 06:20.50 | ghkila | can't run 'gtk-config', anything missing? |
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| 06:20.53 | dondelelcaro | ghkila: uh, such things are necessary for this channel to function; if you have a problem with that, there's little I can do for you. |
| 06:21.06 | welson | anyone can take a quick peek at my start-stop-daemon script? http://pastebin.ca/19052 |
| 06:21.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell ghkila -about search; |
| 06:21.12 | SerajewelKS | exobyte, it never matches, duh |
| 06:21.13 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, lol, there were only a few words.... |
| 06:21.16 | dondelelcaro | ghkila: install libgtk1-dev already. |
| 06:21.32 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: yes, and one of the words says: for help, press alt-f2 or some such. |
| 06:21.34 | exobyte | SerajewelKS: and then when I bring the connection up? |
| 06:21.35 | HAMM3R | Hey. how do i get a direcotry on apache to get a 403 (no primissions) error? I need to lock the direcotry /var/www/images |
| 06:21.56 | dondelelcaro | HAMM3R: by adding a .htaccess or a <Directory> stanza that denies access. |
| 06:22.04 | ghkila | dondelelcaro, ok, will try that. |
| 06:22.09 | HAMM3R | how would i do that? |
| 06:22.13 | jm_ | welson: let it dump a core file and check that |
| 06:22.25 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, ok, but nonetheless, this does not address my issue regarding problems with my ethernet |
| 06:22.26 | HAMM3R | <Directory> sounds easier |
| 06:22.33 | welson | jm_, dump a core file as with what strace ? |
| 06:22.41 | dondelelcaro | HAMM3R: <Directory /foo/bar/baz> Order allow,deny; Deny From All;</Directory> |
| 06:22.58 | jm_ | welson: no, set an appropriate limit for core file size in the script |
| 06:22.58 | dondelelcaro | HAMM3R: you're going to need to read the apache documentation; or search google for more details. |
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| 06:23.21 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: donde está el caro? |
| 06:23.31 | HAMM3R | ok. now i obviously need to be able to access myself. will that allow me to? |
| 06:23.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell sanmarcos -about meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 06:23.35 | welson | jm_, nothing about size in start-stop-daemon-- what do you mean ulimit ? |
| 06:23.43 | ghkila | dondelelcaro, no such package as libgtkl-dev |
| 06:23.44 | dondelelcaro | HAMM3R: that's why you have to read the documentation. |
| 06:23.47 | HAMM3R | ok |
| 06:23.49 | HAMM3R | thanks |
| 06:23.54 | SerajewelKS | exobyte, i guess it will match again |
| 06:23.56 | luminerd | Ok I have a more specific question for you |
| 06:24.08 | jm_ | welson: uhm man setrlimit, then ulimit -a and find the appropriate option and set it |
| 06:24.11 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: narcissist |
| 06:24.19 | welson | jm_, ah, I think it may have to do with memory because it's kind of a cheap server-- it loads bunch of id3 tag information directly into memory.. |
| 06:24.20 | luminerd | I just got an error screen saying no ethernet card was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your Ethernet card, you can select it from the list. |
| 06:24.33 | welson | jm_, you're right |
| 06:24.37 | luminerd | then it has a list of drivers to select from, I assume I need nforce, but that did not work last time. |
| 06:24.38 | jm_ | welson: then it's a poorly written program |
| 06:24.42 | welson | jm_, it is |
| 06:24.43 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: ? |
| 06:24.47 | SerajewelKS | exobyte, i have several rules for eth0.. every so often i'll bring down eth0 when my brother's computer is idling. when it comes back up the iptables rules still work. |
| 06:24.48 | welson | jm_, apparently |
| 06:25.02 | welson | jm_, it's still a devel in progress |
| 06:25.14 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, if i find any more bugs that are this simple i'll be sure to patch them =) |
| 06:25.17 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: first get the linux26 startup working, then worry about that bit. |
| 06:25.17 | jm_ | welson: well generate a stack trace and send it to developers |
| 06:25.22 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: heh. |
| 06:25.32 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: well, I know for a fact there are a whole host of relatively simple bugs out there; |
| 06:25.50 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, if i find any more bugs *that affect me ;) |
| 06:25.59 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: now you're just being selfish. ;-) |
| 06:26.00 | ghkila | dondelelcaro, it should be libgtk1.2-dev. working now, thks. |
| 06:26.01 | welson | jm_, where's a good resource for stack trace, does tracing with open=all good? |
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| 06:26.14 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, i prefer to think of it as practical =) |
| 06:26.21 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, well, ok |
| 06:26.33 | jm_ | welson: the simplest thing to do is to either set the core file size limit and then use gdb on that, or run the program in gdb and then print stack trace |
| 06:27.15 | welson | jm_, ok |
| 06:27.19 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, oh, remember when we were messing with adjtimex and hwclock? my clock still drifted after adjtimex -t 10000 -f 0 |
| 06:27.43 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes, but when it was drifting, what did adjtimex -p; print out? |
| 06:28.05 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: if it was anything but 10000 for the tick, that's probably why it was drifting. |
| 06:28.19 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, so something is setting adjtime parameters while my computer is on? |
| 06:28.23 | SerajewelKS | because i didn't reboot |
| 06:28.28 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: could be. |
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| 06:28.42 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: without knowing everything that you're running, it's rather hard to tell. |
| 06:28.52 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, well i just did it again, and did --hctosys |
| 06:29.02 | SerajewelKS | if it still drifts i'll be sure to check |
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| 06:30.05 | ast_ar | hello:) my usb problem: i have usbcore, usb-uhci loaded correctly. I connect my Canon camera and i see that it is connected (usbview, cat /proc/usb/bus/devices/... good), but when i run gtkam i get error and i cant access to my camera. What may be wrong ? |
| 06:30.37 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, aside from ntp-simple what are known adjtime-adjusters? |
| 06:30.53 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: hwclock can using an adjfile; there are a few other things that can do it. |
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| 06:32.00 | maher | ast_ar: try gphoto2 -P |
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| 06:33.24 | maher | ast_ar: gphoto2 --auto-detect <-- might be slightly more useful |
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| 06:33.58 | ast_ar | maher : thanks, i'll try this.. |
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| 06:34.29 | luminerd | Alright will an extra partition for /home complicate things in the debian install? |
| 06:34.31 | Guerin | ast_ar: by default you'd need to be root |
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| 06:35.00 | SerajewelKS | luminerd, i doubt it... the installer doesn't care what partition it's on |
| 06:35.04 | Guerin | ast_ar: if you don't want that, and you don't, you can look around for a hotplug script to correctly assign permissions to the device on plugin |
| 06:35.13 | ast_ar | Guerin : and when i'm not a root ? |
| 06:35.31 | Guerin | can even get one to run gtkam automatically when you plug it in |
| 06:35.52 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, isn't that kind of automation against the idea of Linux? ;) |
| 06:36.13 | luminerd | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 06:36.54 | maher | Guerin: my camera works and I don't remember futzing with permissions... |
| 06:37.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no, why? If it's security you're worried about, anyone able to plug in a usb device can pwn you in under a minute, anyhow |
| 06:37.06 | SerajewelKS | the only place i really see Linux trailing behind Windows is the ease with which hardware drivers are loaded and sent to userspace |
| 06:37.15 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, it was supposed to be a joke |
| 06:37.35 | Guerin | maher: maybe new hotpluggery fixes it. Is it a canon, or other non--usb-storage camera? |
| 06:37.38 | luminerd | SerajewelKS, also Windows boots much faster :P |
| 06:37.50 | SerajewelKS | luminerd, yes, there's that too, unfortunately |
| 06:37.58 | maher | Guerin: its canon - its not usb mass storage - i use gphoto2 to talk to it |
| 06:38.03 | SerajewelKS | although i hear fedora boots faster than XP |
| 06:38.04 | Guerin | bah, only for the first few weeks of any given windows install |
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| 06:38.17 | SerajewelKS | or is close to XP boot time |
| 06:38.19 | Guerin | and who cares about boot time when you boot once per kernel |
| 06:38.52 | Guerin | i have a custom kernel and a minimal service set on my laptop, and it boots debian way faster than it did windows |
| 06:38.58 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, (a) i don't install junk on windows.. it still boots great after four months and (b) i have to reboot to play windows games multiplayer |
| 06:39.01 | Guerin | maher: hrm, funky. |
| 06:39.22 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ok, so you don't actually USE it, then. |
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| 06:39.27 | luminerd | SerajewelKS, wow. why fedora and no one else? :/ |
| 06:39.40 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, i use it modestly =) |
| 06:40.02 | Guerin | luminerd: i think it's smoke and mirrors bring-the-login-screen-up-before-everything's-actually-loaded trikery |
| 06:40.12 | SerajewelKS | the worst part about the lengthy boot time is that when the drift problem i'm having makes my music play faster, i have to wait for it to shut down and reboot (about 5 minutes) and hope that it doesn't happen again |
| 06:40.13 | Guerin | which, in fairness, is precisely how windows does it |
| 06:40.37 | luminerd | Guerin, actually my system doesn't use the login screen, and it's still much faster |
| 06:40.48 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, only by virtue of the fact that a lot of windows services run in user-space, and can't be run without a user-space |
| 06:40.53 | luminerd | BIG problem!!! |
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| 06:41.13 | luminerd | I just booted into my new system with that program that walks you through the process and what not |
| 06:41.15 | Guerin | luminerd: windows? so it boots straight into a usable environment before everything's actually working |
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| 06:41.27 | Guerin | and then you get the "i'm in, but i still can't run anything' feeling |
| 06:41.29 | luminerd | Guerin, yea... lol |
| 06:41.41 | luminerd | anyway I can't use my keyboard!!!! |
| 06:41.46 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, explorer loads faster than KDE for me |
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| 06:41.51 | SerajewelKS | couple seconds |
| 06:41.57 | SerajewelKS | KDE takes about 15 before i can do anything |
| 06:42.03 | naoliv | Hi. Is this correct what I am doing? svn checkout svn+ssh://username-guest@svn.debian.org/myproject/ May I use this "username-guest@"? |
| 06:42.05 | luminerd | yea |
| 06:42.09 | luminerd | kde sux0rs imo |
| 06:42.13 | SerajewelKS | party because i keep windows squeaky clean |
| 06:42.14 | luminerd | e17 is where itz at |
| 06:42.23 | luminerd | but why won't my keyboard work?!?!?! |
| 06:42.28 | SerajewelKS | and partly because microsoft has all these optimization things that make it unstable |
| 06:42.33 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: why shouldn't it, it doesn't have anything like the complexity and power |
| 06:42.41 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: and that |
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| 06:42.48 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, that's true... |
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| 06:43.15 | kekkeri | hi, how i can set a time for server ? |
| 06:43.35 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 06:43.35 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 06:43.41 | SerajewelKS | i still like though how on windows when i plug in my thumb drive and assign it a drive letter, that drive letter gets used for my thumb drive every time i plug it in, unless the letter is in use. on linux it could be sda, or sde depending on the order that i plug stuff in |
| 06:43.52 | luminerd | why won't my keyboard work?! PLEASE |
| 06:43.59 | SerajewelKS | luminerd, plug it in |
| 06:44.01 | Guerin | !annoy bob2 |
| 06:44.01 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:44.06 | luminerd | SerajewelKS, it's already in |
| 06:44.11 | SerajewelKS | luminerd, joking |
| 06:44.17 | SerajewelKS | luminerd, USB or PS/2? |
| 06:44.20 | luminerd | lol |
| 06:44.21 | luminerd | ps/2 |
| 06:44.29 | SerajewelKS | does it work on the console? |
| 06:44.32 | Guerin | luminerd: reboot |
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| 06:44.38 | luminerd | SerajewelKS, I wouldn't know |
| 06:44.42 | luminerd | lol ok |
| 06:44.45 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: does the keyboard not work? or has the box hung? have you tried the noacpi option yet? |
| 06:44.51 | Guerin | luminerd: you sometimes can't plug a ps/2 device in with the OS booted |
| 06:44.53 | Guerin | i forget why |
| 06:44.54 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, now now, that kind of advice is for windows ;) |
| 06:45.06 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, no, I dont know what you are talking about |
| 06:45.10 | luminerd | Guerin, it was already in though |
| 06:45.10 | Guerin | it's some hardware thing, aiui |
| 06:45.15 | Guerin | luminerd: ok. |
| 06:45.19 | kekkeri | how i can set my time... date --set ? |
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| 06:45.33 | SerajewelKS | the solution for windows problem X is to reboot, for any value of X |
| 06:45.39 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: uh... you have read the information that's on the help pages when you first boot, right? |
| 06:45.44 | SolozerK | Guerin> huhuhu |
| 06:45.59 | luminerd | keyboard worked to select from the bootloader... |
| 06:46.09 | exobyte | anyone know what .o file coresponds to CONFIG_IP_NF_MANGLE |
| 06:46.09 | Guerin | SolozerK: please remove keyboard from mouth |
| 06:46.18 | luminerd | now that program should come up in a minute to "guide" me throught install... |
| 06:46.20 | luminerd | well it worked |
| 06:46.21 | luminerd | lol |
| 06:46.22 | luminerd | thanks |
| 06:46.23 | SolozerK | *chlump* |
| 06:46.36 | lzzmn | hi everyone |
| 06:46.45 | SerajewelKS | dammit why is there never a ruler around when i need one |
| 06:47.08 | kekkeri | pls help to set a fucking date :) |
| 06:47.10 | kekkeri | hehe |
| 06:47.31 | lzzmn | I'm here hoping improve my english .anyone would like to talk with me? |
| 06:48.06 | Guerin | lzzmn: i'm a professional esl teacher... I charge $30/hour (cheap!) |
| 06:48.29 | lzzmn | so cheap |
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| 06:49.05 | Acerimusdux | date -s MMDDhhmm |
| 06:49.12 | dondelelcaro | lzzmn: this isn't really a general discussion channel; you may have better luck in #linpeople or ##linux or similar... |
| 06:49.20 | Guerin | lzzmn: more seriously, this is quite far from the place to ask. You can just hang out and talk about debian stuff, though. Free. |
| 06:49.23 | luminerd | dang it!!! |
| 06:49.33 | luminerd | it needs to download crap from the net during install |
| 06:49.38 | luminerd | but I don't have a connection |
| 06:49.47 | luminerd | it wants me to get into ppp |
| 06:50.06 | Guerin | luminerd: this 'reading' thing is really giving you trouble, innit? |
| 06:50.45 | jim | luminerd: by the way... if you don't have a connection, how is it you're talking to us now? :) |
| 06:51.03 | mwilson | jim: Telnet to the IRC server? :) |
| 06:51.21 | jim | that's still a connection to the internet |
| 06:51.25 | luminerd | Guerin, ...no. |
| 06:51.29 | luminerd | Guerin, I just read it. |
| 06:51.30 | luminerd | obviously |
| 06:51.39 | luminerd | jim, there's no connection on the machine |
| 06:51.46 | luminerd | jim, because the default drivers are not working |
| 06:51.51 | luminerd | that's my whole effing problem :/ |
| 06:51.56 | Guerin | luminerd: get real hardwar |
| 06:51.58 | Guerin | e |
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| 06:52.07 | luminerd | Guerin, I didn't ask for that. |
| 06:52.09 | jim | ok well can you put a cheap -supported- net card in there? |
| 06:52.16 | luminerd | I have the hardware I have. It was the cheapest I could get. |
| 06:52.28 | jim | was it supported? |
| 06:52.29 | Guerin | luminerd: that sounds like a compelling reason why it doesn't work |
| 06:52.38 | Guerin | what card |
| 06:52.40 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:52.45 | luminerd | Guerin, well if you were the one paying for 25 systems you would want the cheapest as well |
| 06:52.51 | luminerd | guerin, nVidia |
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| 06:53.11 | jim | want a bet??! |
| 06:53.27 | Guerin | luminerd: no, if I was paying for 25, I'd want systems which worked and wouldn't give me grief |
| 06:53.32 | Guerin | luminerd: forcedeth? |
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| 06:53.40 | jim | if I'm paying for 25 systems, they better support the operating system I plan to run on it. |
| 06:53.43 | luminerd | Guerin, nope. |
| 06:53.49 | jim | and they better last for 20 years |
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| 06:54.10 | luminerd | Guerin, don't tell me I have a reading problem when you can't even read what I said before. |
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| 06:54.21 | Guerin | luminerd: what? |
| 06:54.32 | ArodS2000 | jim what type of system are u getting |
| 06:54.47 | Guerin | go to the shop and buy a fucking rlt8139 for $5 |
| 06:54.54 | Guerin | or fish one out of s dumpster |
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| 06:55.02 | luminerd | Guerin, I said a bunch of stuff before. I am NOT going to buy new hardware when what I have should work perfectly fine. |
| 06:55.02 | ArodS2000 | LOL guerin |
| 06:55.05 | jim | ArodS2000: conditional... (starts with "if": reread my statement) |
| 06:55.13 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 06:55.14 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 06:55.17 | Guerin | !tardware |
| 06:55.17 | dpkg | hmm... tardware is the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 06:55.20 | luminerd | Guerin, and the fact is, I need 25 IDENTICAL cards |
| 06:55.21 | Guerin | there you go |
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| 06:55.42 | Guerin | luminerd: i'd rather have 25 different cards WHICH FUCKING WORKED than 25 identical ones which diudn't |
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| 06:55.58 | luminerd | Guerin, you are going on the ignore list (as soon as I figure it out) |
| 06:56.00 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: you only need one to do the initial install; then build a custom kernel that works with your hardware; repeat. |
| 06:56.15 | luminerd | Guerin, you aren't listening, and I'm not going to argue |
| 06:56.34 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: but again, work the problem. Use noacpi; to boot so your keyboard will actually work. |
| 06:56.43 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: if that doesn't make sense, read the first pages of help. |
| 06:56.45 | Guerin | luminerd: do you know this card woirks with the version of the linux kernel you're using? |
| 06:57.06 | Guerin | oh, i think his problem is the network card now, not the keyboard |
| 06:57.10 | Acerimusdux | lum - are you planning to network these machines using ethernet? |
| 06:57.18 | maher | luminerd: http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-24-3Com-Etherlink-10-100-PCI-NIC-3C905C-TX-M_W0QQitemZ5792988059QQcategoryZ51189QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 06:57.33 | jim | luminerd: did you do the necessary research to determine whether the hardware you were ABOUT to buy (as in, BEFORE you bought) was compatible with all of the operating systems you planned on running on them? |
| 06:57.36 | maher | luminerd: buy it now for $70 |
| 06:58.12 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: he's booting with 2.4, which I'm fairly sure doesn't have support for whatever nvidia network card he's using. |
| 06:58.13 | Acerimusdux | do a search on the specific card before you assume it's not supported |
| 06:58.20 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:58.20 | luminerd | Guerin hath been ignored |
| 06:58.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:58.28 | maher | luminerd: next item is 106 random 3com cards for only $125! |
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| 06:58.36 | Guerin | doesn't worry me, mate |
| 06:58.44 | luminerd | maher, wtf..I AM NOT HERE FOR SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT TO BUY! |
| 06:58.49 | luminerd | IT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION!!! |
| 06:58.53 | luminerd | Now, with that out of the way... |
| 06:59.02 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 06:59.05 | Guerin | what a sucka |
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| 06:59.12 | jim | fine. then determine what operating system it's possible to run on it, then run that operating system. |
| 06:59.13 | jm_ | latest 2.4 kernels also support forcedeth |
| 06:59.37 | luminerd | jim, I will be running LINUX. And 2.6 kernel DOES support it. Bloody fuck you guys are hard to work with.... |
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| 06:59.54 | maher | luminerd: have you tried installing with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:59.58 | luminerd | dondelelcaro, I can't even get to help!!!!!! |
| 06:59.58 | jim | so what's the original problem? |
| 07:00.00 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: look, I'm getting tired of repeating myself here. Have you booted with linux26 noacpi yet? |
| 07:00.06 | Acerimusdux | OK - so the problem is getting the 2.6 installed? |
| 07:00.07 | luminerd | maher, YEA! That's what I'm doign!!!!!!!! |
| 07:00.11 | dondelelcaro | luminerd: uh, you do that at the original boot prompt. |
| 07:00.17 | luminerd | DUH!!!! |
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| 07:00.26 | maher | luminerd: and does it recognise the network card? |
| 07:00.29 | Guerin | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 07:00.33 | jim | luminerd: ignore -that- |
| 07:00.44 | jm_ | hehe |
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| 07:02.04 | jim | the thing is, maybe if dondelelcaro determines you've calmed yourself sufficiently to work with us, maybe he'll revoice you |
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| 07:03.11 | streuner | jim: say 'yes' or 'no'? ;-) |
| 07:03.11 | dondelelcaro | jim: unfortunatly, this is the second time I've had to devoice luminerd. |
| 07:03.46 | streuner | hm :-) |
| 07:03.49 | jim | meanwhile, try booting with "boot: <you>linux26<enter></you>" |
| 07:03.50 | Acerimusdux | you're not the one who took away his keyboard too are you? |
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| 07:04.06 | jim | nope, just his vocal chords :) |
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| 07:05.14 | jim | dondelelcaro: first time was for similar behavior? |
| 07:06.20 | jim | anyway, he's still here and we're -still- trying to help him even tho he's devoiced |
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| 07:06.58 | Acerimusdux | what is he booting from, a debian install CD-ROM? |
| 07:07.23 | jim | maybe a netinst (hopefully; at least then he can install the base) |
| 07:08.06 | TypeRite | Hi. I am installing Sarge on a server with the Intel SE7320SP2 (http://support.intel.com/design/servers/boards/se7320sp2/) and a 400GB Seagate IDE (PATA) hard drive on hda. Booting the Sarge CD (3.1r0a netinst) works fine with both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. I partitioned the drive as one whole chunk (guided partitioning) and using XFS and then installed LILO on /dev/hda. Booting up from the hard drive stalls after "BIOS Check Successful" which is right after "L |
| 07:08.06 | TypeRite | oading Linux .......". Any clues as to what could be causing this? |
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| 07:09.06 | jim | that's certainly detailed enough... |
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| 07:09.23 | positrix | which package do i need installedso that i can receive email sent to user@my.domain.com ? |
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| 07:09.52 | jim | does your machine have the IP address associated with my.domain.com? |
| 07:10.18 | positrix | jim: no, i have it associated with positrix.no-ip.org, my.domain.com was an example |
| 07:10.23 | TypeRite | Follow-up: I just reinstalled Sarge and used ext3 instead of XFS, and then Grub instead of LILO. It still stalls on boot. Last message is "boot", nothing else. :( |
| 07:10.43 | Acerimusdux | TypeRite - your getting the lilo prompt right? It fails after you choose the kernel? |
| 07:10.57 | lakbu | im trying to setup a Dial-in server and i got this error in system log: PAP peer authentication failed .. |
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| 07:11.03 | mwilson | grrr |
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| 07:11.17 | lakbu | ive set pppd to authenticate via login |
| 07:11.26 | streuner | jim: After 2 bans and the fact that his NIC doesn't work for him its pretty clear I(His)HO debian wouldn't count anymore. |
| 07:11.30 | man_in_shack | any tips on how to install enlightenment=0.16.999* in sid? |
| 07:11.36 | lakbu | waht could be wrong with my options script? |
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| 07:11.52 | jm_ | TypeRite: it doesn't even print Linux version 2.x.y .... ? |
| 07:11.55 | TypeRite | Acerimusdux: yes, I got both Grub and LILO prompts (depending on which I installed, since I tried both separately), but as soon as a kernel is selected, booting stalls. |
| 07:12.00 | TypeRite | jm_: no, it doesn't. |
| 07:12.01 | mwilson | man_in_shack: It's so hard to download the tarball, read the instructions, and build it? |
| 07:12.04 | man_in_shack | like if you already have 0.16.7 installed |
| 07:12.07 | jim | TypeRite: since you didn't use xfs, grub would have worked... suggest you make two linux partitions, first one on the drive, a small ext2or3 for mounting on /boot, and the rest on /, any fs type |
| 07:12.10 | man_in_shack | mwilson, yes |
| 07:12.15 | man_in_shack | mwilson, it wouldn't compile last time i tried |
| 07:12.35 | mwilson | man_in_shack: Well, then, what's the problem? |
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| 07:13.13 | TypeRite | jim: okay, I'll create a small /boot partition now and see if that helps. |
| 07:13.39 | jim | it has to be at the beginning of the drive |
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| 07:13.53 | jim | (so this would be a reinstall... |
| 07:13.55 | jim | ) |
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| 07:14.17 | TypeRite | jim: yes, of course. in the process of reinstalling. :) |
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| 07:14.46 | jim | do you see why? |
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| 07:14.57 | man_in_shack | Unpacking libecore0 (from .../libecore0_0.9.9.011-0cvs20050718_i386.deb) ... |
| 07:14.58 | man_in_shack | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.01 | man_in_shack | mwilson, that |
| 07:15.15 | jim | dpkg --force-help |
| 07:15.16 | man_in_shack | and a similar one for libevas |
| 07:15.23 | jim | or |
| 07:15.29 | jim | remove the packages first |
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| 07:15.33 | mwilson | man_in_shack: What does that have to do with building it from source, as I said? |
| 07:16.23 | nkuttler | man_in_shack: if you're too lazy google 'unofficial debian <pkgname>' |
| 07:16.27 | mwilson | --> [00:12] <man_in_shack> mwilson, it wouldn't compile last time i tried |
| 07:16.39 | nkuttler | man_in_shack: you fault if your system breaks |
| 07:16.45 | nkuttler | s/you/your/ |
| 07:17.01 | tarzeau | can anyone connect to news.gmane.org nntp wise? |
| 07:17.08 | tarzeau | i get connection refused... |
| 07:17.26 | mwilson | Didn't even know there was an nntp one. |
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| 07:17.51 | jim | nnTp?? you want to run a news -server-? |
| 07:18.00 | tarzeau | jim: no i want to connect to it |
| 07:18.06 | jim | maybe you want nnrp? |
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| 07:18.22 | GexNZ | hey all. I am attempting to install debian on a 166. It won't boot off the business card cdrom. Hence I am using the the floppy images that come with the cdrom. |
| 07:18.35 | tarzeau | mwilson: i wonder how you've used news.gmane.org if you ever did |
| 07:18.37 | GexNZ | when it gets up to 'Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives' |
| 07:18.40 | man_in_shack | mwilson, what's the point of having packages in apt at all if your answer to any problems you have is to install from source? |
| 07:18.50 | jim | I forgot some of the details... but I thought nnrp was what things like nn and slrn used |
| 07:18.53 | GexNZ | I get Error while running 'modprobe -v ide-detect' <continue> |
| 07:18.55 | tarzeau | man_in_shack: repos also have source packages |
| 07:19.05 | GexNZ | anyone got any solutions? |
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| 07:19.54 | nkuttler | !tell GexNZ about errors |
| 07:20.20 | mwilson | tarzeau: No, I meant that I didn't know that gmane.org provided news service. |
| 07:20.54 | jim | and isn't nntp a server <-> server protocol? |
| 07:21.32 | GexNZ | hitting Alt+F3 I see 'insmod adma100 Segmentation fault' insmod ide-detect modprobe: failed to load module ide-detect |
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| 07:21.56 | mwilson | man_in_shack: Any problems? Not hardly. You asked for tips on how to install an unofficial, unreleased version... I assumed you had sufficient clue to have first looked to see whether it was packaged. Obviously you did not. My bad... next time I won't assume someone has a clue. |
| 07:22.00 | dimir | Morning. |
| 07:22.02 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: if the libecore0_0.9.9.011-0cvs20050718_i386.deb is installing something with a .1 soname, you've got serious issues. |
| 07:22.27 | man_in_shack | dondelelcaro, how so? |
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| 07:22.59 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: the name of the package tells you that it should only contain a library with a soversion of 1 |
| 07:23.40 | man_in_shack | dondelelcaro, complain to the package guys. i just did an apt-get update |
| 07:23.54 | GexNZ | does that message help nkuttler or could you tell me where else to look for a more verbose error? |
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| 07:24.30 | nkuttler | GexNZ: are you running stable with a prepackaged kernel? |
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| 07:24.57 | GexNZ | debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso not sure if that is stable. got it off the debian site |
| 07:25.12 | nonent | how do i go about telling apt that a dependency is satisfied by a non-.deb installed package? |
| 07:26.13 | GexNZ | the debian site says it is stable |
| 07:26.15 | jim | equivs |
| 07:26.53 | nonent | jim: that's what i was looking for, thanks |
| 07:27.00 | Shadur | nonent: equivs, or build a deb package from it |
| 07:27.17 | nkuttler | GexNZ: did you check the bts? |
| 07:28.11 | TypeRite | jim: I created a 100MB /boot partition in the beginning of my 400GB IDE hard drive. / is XFS, /boot is ext3, LILO is installed onto the MBR. Same symptoms: LILO loads, "Loading Linux...", "BIOS data check successful" then nothing. :( |
| 07:28.30 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: that package doesn't even appear to be in Debian; so I guess you'll have to do the complaining... |
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| 07:29.58 | jm_ | TypeRite: does it boot from a floppy? |
| 07:30.06 | man_in_shack | 8| |
| 07:30.16 | TypeRite | jm_: it doesn't have a floppy drive. |
| 07:30.23 | TypeRite | jm_: it boots fine from the CD-ROM drive, though. |
| 07:30.24 | GexNZ | nkuttler where would I find the checksum for the net install? or do you mean run a check from within the debian installer? |
| 07:30.37 | TypeRite | jm_: netinst CD and Knoppix both boot fine. |
| 07:30.45 | nkuttler | GexNZ: try modprobe, does it happen with other modules as well? /msg dpkg bts |
| 07:30.51 | man_in_shack | soulmachine.net. that explains things |
| 07:30.55 | man_in_shack | sorry |
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| 07:31.12 | nkuttler | GexNZ: the checksum should be in the download directory i guess |
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| 07:32.14 | GexNZ | knuttler: there is a list of modules that modprobed successfully prior to the one that segfaulted |
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| 07:33.10 | GexNZ | knuttler: 'modprobe ide-detect' results in 'modprobe: failed to load moule ide-detect' |
| 07:33.11 | jm_ | TypeRite: try creating a bootable CD |
| 07:33.12 | nkuttler | GexNZ: it's bad if modprobe segfaults... nothing more in dmesg? what does that module do? |
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| 07:33.56 | nkuttler | GexNZ: well, is it present in /lib/modules? |
| 07:34.02 | maher | luminerd's main problem seemed to be his network cable wasn't plugged in... |
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| 07:35.09 | GexNZ | nkuttler: i dont' think I need that kernel module that segfaulted. but it just gets automatically loaded in the install process. |
| 07:35.54 | nkuttler | GexNZ: maybe you should file a bug report. include hardware specs, dmesg output etc |
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| 07:36.22 | GexNZ | knuttler: and ide-detect is present /lib/modules/...../drivers/ide/ |
| 07:36.23 | fatal__ | GexNZ: a kernel module can't segfault.... :/ |
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| 07:36.34 | nkuttler | fatal__: insmod segfaults |
| 07:36.48 | fatal__ | yeah... and that's fucked... |
| 07:36.57 | nkuttler | yup |
| 07:37.02 | fatal__ | I'd guess broken hardware or a really broken system... |
| 07:37.08 | Acerimusdux | is there a way you can edit /etc/modules? |
| 07:37.13 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: does anything else segfault? |
| 07:37.22 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: ask GexNZ |
| 07:37.33 | GexNZ | the system i am installing it on runs mandrake 9.3 fine. so hardware should be ok |
| 07:37.52 | nkuttler | Acerimusdux: vi /etc/modules ? |
| 07:37.53 | GexNZ | I dont' think anything else segfaults |
| 07:38.17 | ke6isf | !mandrakesmite GexNZ |
| 07:38.29 | fatal__ | GexNZ: are you using linux 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 07:38.38 | GexNZ | 2.4 |
| 07:38.51 | nkuttler | GexNZ: btw the md5sums are in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 07:39.37 | fatal__ | GexNZ: try installing with linux26 once and see if it differs... the kernel module loader code has been moved into the kernel in 2.6. |
| 07:39.57 | Acerimusdux | nk: I mean GexNE - if he's booting from writable media, he can comment out ide-detect from etc/modules if he thinks he doesn't need it to load |
| 07:40.04 | GexNZ | cd m5d is ok |
| 07:40.08 | mwilson | fatal__: Uh, in 2.4 is when that was done. |
| 07:40.30 | Acerimusdux | but trying 2.6 is probably a better idea |
| 07:40.47 | fatal__ | mwilson: 2.4 uses modutils, 2.6 module-init-tools ... remember? |
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| 07:41.08 | GexNZ | ok. ill give 2.6 a try. to be honest I thought i would have been runnign 2.6 |
| 07:41.12 | mwilson | fatal__: Yes, and that has what exactly to do with the statement you made? Oh, that's right... nothing. |
| 07:41.35 | GexNZ | i got the testing version from http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 07:42.01 | GexNZ | Official businesscard images for the "stable" release |
| 07:42.22 | GexNZ | i dont' think I can get the 2.6 kernel. the floppy images dont' have it on them |
| 07:42.29 | jim | into the kernel?? how does that work? does it need the lsmod/rmmod/insmod to talk to the kernel instead of loading the module outside of the kernel? |
| 07:42.39 | GexNZ | ill be back in 10. dinner. thanks for your help so far guys |
| 07:43.07 | mwilson | jim: He thinks he's referring to kmod. |
| 07:43.34 | jim | what is kmod exactly? |
| 07:43.35 | fatal__ | mwilson: what part don't you understand? Maybe I can explain it better. |
| 07:44.03 | mwilson | jim: The in-kernel module loader that replaced kerneld for 2.4 |
| 07:44.36 | jim | I remember kerneld... but why was it necessary/useful again? |
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| 07:44.55 | mwilson | It was the dynamic module loader. |
| 07:45.22 | gumleef | Where can I get the kernel config for the kernel on the sarge cdrom installs? |
| 07:45.27 | jim | does that have to do with modprobe functionality? (sorry; I forgot all this stuff) |
| 07:46.08 | jim | which kernel version? if you boot and run the shell, then do uname -r, what does it say? |
| 07:46.29 | mwilson | jim: No, modprobe is explicit. You know how the kernel loads a module when it needs one? That was handled by kerneld at one point, then it became kmod. |
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| 07:47.07 | Vyrus001 | does apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 not get the kernel source code ? because i am trying to compile wlan-ng and i keep getting this from the configure script "the kernel header files are pressent but not the full source code..." |
| 07:47.27 | jm_ | Vyrus001: yes it does, read the docs |
| 07:47.49 | jm_ | jim: yes, for auto-loading of modules |
| 07:47.52 | mwilson | Or sr for a SCSI CD, and so forth. |
| 07:47.54 | Vyrus001 | jm_|| which docs ? |
| 07:48.04 | jim | gotcha, thanks. |
| 07:48.09 | SerajewelKS | isn't the short answer that modprobe loads the specified module after loading any modules it depends on, and so on? |
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| 07:48.37 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: The kernel USES modprobe to do that job, yes. |
| 07:48.50 | SerajewelKS | interesting |
| 07:49.31 | jim | that's what they said kerneld was -not- for... there is an association between the major and minor device numbers and which module to load... kerneld told modprobe to load those |
| 07:49.32 | SerajewelKS | the kernel actually runs the "modprobe" program, or is there a call for modprobe (kinda how mknod is both a program and a system function) |
| 07:49.50 | mwilson | The kernel actually runs modprobe. |
| 07:50.06 | SerajewelKS | wow, i'd think that'd be build into the kernel |
| 07:50.11 | mwilson | Why? |
| 07:50.15 | SerajewelKS | you learn something new every day |
| 07:50.20 | SerajewelKS | well... |
| 07:50.32 | jim | seems it would be more convenient if it was that way... |
| 07:50.38 | SerajewelKS | just 'cause i'd think the kernel would take care of itself and not rely on external programs |
| 07:50.39 | jm_ | Vyrus001: uhm /usr/share/doc/kernel-source-foo |
| 07:50.43 | mwilson | There's no reason for that to be happenning in kernel-space. |
| 07:50.59 | SerajewelKS | is there a reason for it to not happen there? |
| 07:51.03 | fatal__ | cat /proc/sys/kerne/modprobe |
| 07:51.08 | fatal__ | cat /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe |
| 07:51.08 | jim | except the request is coming from kernel-space |
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| 07:51.20 | mwilson | The fact that it doesn't need to is enough for it not to. |
| 07:51.28 | kadigibox | Hello I have a Dot Matrex Printer that I cannot seem to get to work in CUPS. I can print text to the printer by "echo 'some text' > /dev/lp0" but I dont know how to set up CUPS |
| 07:51.35 | kadigibox | Anyone able to help me with this? |
| 07:51.43 | fatal__ | mwilson: (I was not talking about the automodule loader..... ) |
| 07:51.46 | SerajewelKS | kadigibox, try the KDE print interface |
| 07:51.49 | mwilson | fatal__: Yes, we all know how to tell the kernel where to find the modprobe binary it should use. |
| 07:52.13 | kadigibox | I dont use KDE sorry |
| 07:52.22 | SerajewelKS | kadigibox, then use gnome's |
| 07:52.39 | kadigibox | and everything that can be done in the interface can be done in the CUPS web interface |
| 07:52.49 | SerajewelKS | kadigibox, well then use that... |
| 07:53.03 | kadigibox | I have been useing that. I dont know what to set up |
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| 07:53.19 | jim | kadigibox: perhaps the docs say something specific about your specific model/make of printer? |
| 07:53.28 | kadigibox | and linuxprinting.org doesnt tell anything about my printer |
| 07:53.47 | jim | how long have you had it |
| 07:54.05 | SerajewelKS | kadigibox, what exactly doesn't make sense about the cups web interface |
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| 07:56.02 | kadigibox | the fact that no matter what I try I cant get the printer to work except for echoing strait to the parallel port |
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| 07:56.36 | dogayonv | Hello everyone |
| 07:56.40 | SerajewelKS | kadigibox, so you can set up the printer with CUPS? |
| 07:57.10 | kadigibox | I cant set it up with cups. thats the problem I am having. I need to be able to set it up with cups |
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| 07:57.22 | kadigibox | I dont know what settings to use |
| 07:57.40 | gumleef | I'm creating a custom installation CD. I'd like to use a newer kernel that the one on the sarge CD, but with the same options. I figured I'd just copy the config into my new tree and run "make oldconfig", but I can find the kernel config for the installation kernel. Any clues? |
| 07:57.59 | jim | ok, so far you've not mentioned anything specific about what you tried and what the results were, specifically and exactly |
| 07:58.02 | gumleef | can=cant |
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| 07:58.46 | sugeng | my name is neo iam indonesia |
| 07:58.50 | jim | kadigibox: so... wanna start being specific now? :) |
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| 07:59.27 | kadigibox | I tried raw, I tried every okidata printer type, I tried testpages for everyone one. the printer is an okidata microline 591 24pin |
| 07:59.29 | sugeng | iam still school in smk cilacap |
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| 08:00.06 | tengulre | hi,all!! my system logs like 'xxx.log.1,xxx.log.2', and I want to know which service runing ? |
| 08:00.23 | ke6isf | !irssi |
| 08:00.23 | dpkg | irssi is probably the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 08:00.27 | jim | and for each thing you tried, what was the result? |
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| 08:01.10 | kadigibox | I dont know how much more specific then that I can be |
| 08:01.31 | jim | you haven't said -anything- about the results you got for each thing you tried |
| 08:01.44 | kadigibox | I said that before. the printer WONT print |
| 08:01.57 | ke6isf | tengulre: That's kind of vague, that your system looks like that. What directory are you seeing these files in? |
| 08:02.00 | jim | error messages? |
| 08:02.03 | sugeng | hi,whats your real name |
| 08:02.07 | gumleef | kadigibox: what do the CUPS logs say? |
| 08:02.09 | kadigibox | the only way to make it print is to use the echo command and route it to /dev/lp0 |
| 08:02.30 | kadigibox | cups didnt log anything |
| 08:02.37 | gumleef | bullshit |
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| 08:02.58 | kadigibox | well as far as I ever seen was no added lines to any logs |
| 08:03.08 | jim | if cups didn't log anything, then: you didn't try to print? |
| 08:03.44 | kadigibox | only logs I have are of me canceling print jobs |
| 08:04.03 | jim | but no logs of the print jobs getting queued? |
| 08:04.08 | gumleef | /var/log/cups ? |
| 08:04.31 | sugeng | hi,why kadibox you dont answer please |
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| 08:04.38 | Guerin | kadigibox: try printoing over ipp to localhost and run tcpdump? |
| 08:05.03 | Guerin | sugeng: my real name is "Fuck off you worthless imbecile" |
| 08:05.07 | kadigibox | ? |
| 08:05.12 | Guerin | you can call me 'bad motherfucker' |
| 08:05.26 | jim | all the bad mothers: RUN! |
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| 08:05.53 | sugeng | ok ,iam sorry |
| 08:06.12 | jim | sugeng: this is not for social chat |
| 08:06.30 | gumleef | how about that local sports team, eh? |
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| 08:06.45 | sugeng | oh ya,but i so regrated |
| 08:07.13 | jim | np... btw, if you want to find out what this is all about... www.debian.org |
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| 08:08.04 | Guerin | gumleef: how about them all blacks |
| 08:08.05 | sugeng | any way you still school or no |
| 08:08.11 | Guerin | yes and no |
| 08:08.35 | jim | sugeng: this is not for social chat |
| 08:08.40 | LordLamer | hello. i have installed xen. i must now install suse as a virtual system in xen. is it possible to install from a cd into xen? or what should i do? |
| 08:08.49 | Guerin | actually displays tolerably on ie, despite being 1.1 strict |
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| 08:09.04 | Guerin | and the pngs are transparent, too |
| 08:09.18 | ke6isf | LordLamer: Wait, you're installing xen in Debian to install suse? =O,o= |
| 08:09.21 | jim | if you want to find out what this is all about (if so, please look here now)... www.debian.org |
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| 08:09.24 | Guerin | LordLamer: any reason on earth why you're asking in #debian? |
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| 08:10.08 | LordLamer | i know to install debian as a virtual system in xen. but how can i install a distribution from a cdrom? |
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| 08:10.28 | LordLamer | yes i am asking. because its not a suse problem or something |
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| 08:11.11 | kadigibox | yah I just ran another print job and nothing from it |
| 08:11.17 | jim | LordLamer: maybe you could run debootstrap? |
| 08:11.24 | Guerin | LordLamer: no, it's a xen issue |
| 08:11.32 | Guerin | jim: helloooo, suse |
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| 08:12.17 | jim | but wait... isn't it possible to run debootstrap in order to produce a debian chroot when running from a different dist? |
| 08:13.02 | jim | or does debootstrap depend heavily on forexample certain bash, perl or python versions? |
| 08:13.02 | Guerin | jim: HELLO ... he's running xen, and wants to install SUSE |
| 08:13.17 | Guerin | jim: no, debootstrap works everywhere sane |
| 08:13.17 | jim | oh |
| 08:13.26 | Guerin | and some places insane |
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| 08:13.45 | jim | so debootstrap is independent? |
| 08:13.59 | jim | just asking |
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| 08:14.39 | jim | just asking because I think I remember it asking whether I already had dpkg installed or something like that |
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| 08:15.43 | HmJ | rytas |
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| 08:16.17 | kadigibox | Only thing I get is the CUPS web interface says that the cable is not connected but when I run an echo command with text and route it to /dev/lp0 it will print that |
| 08:16.27 | Guerin | jim: debootstrap can run anywhere it can build, in theory |
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| 08:17.22 | Guerin | kadigibox: sweet. pipe whatever you need to print through appropriate filters and then into /dev/lp0 as text |
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| 08:17.44 | umbop | hmm what's the benefit of debootstrap compared to just using apt and dpkg? |
| 08:17.49 | kadigibox | filters? |
| 08:17.52 | jim | kadigibox: then it seems to me the cups system or maybe just the web interface does not understand to what interface your printer is connected? |
| 08:17.53 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, you there? |
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| 08:18.46 | kadigibox | jim, I set cups to print to paralell#1 |
| 08:18.48 | Guerin | kadigibox: yeah. Like pdftotext if you want to print a pdf, etc :) |
| 08:19.01 | Guerin | (yeah, it's several light years from optimal ...) |
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| 08:19.05 | cyc | re |
| 08:19.13 | jim | evidently parallel#1 is not your /dev/lpsoemthing |
| 08:19.48 | jim | kadigibox: what other choices are there? |
| 08:19.52 | cyc | I have a problem - apt-get keeps telling me there's md5 sum mismatch for packages from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-amd64/ ... what could be wrong? |
| 08:19.57 | GexNZ | attempting to get a 2.6 kernel floppy installer. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status but even that one's daily still uses kernel 2.4 |
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| 08:20.36 | GexNZ | and it also segfaults on ide/pci/adma100.o |
| 08:21.02 | liable | GexNZ: you need 2.6 for hardware? dont have cdrom? |
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| 08:21.11 | GexNZ | have cdrom |
| 08:21.14 | GexNZ | won't boot of it |
| 08:21.16 | kadigibox | well there is ONLY parallel#1 |
| 08:21.19 | umbop | ach, why does my rdesktop if i am idle for a few mins, literally just hang, and then the window goes black |
| 08:21.23 | kadigibox | and then USB choices |
| 08:21.27 | GexNZ | off* |
| 08:21.35 | jim | ok, I see |
| 08:21.42 | cyc | and --fix-missing does not help ... and even more strange is that if I downlaod that file with wget and install it with dpkg -i, it installs ok ... BUT! apt-get still thinks it has to upgrade that same package |
| 08:21.43 | liable | GexNZ: well you can use the floppy to boot, then install from cdrom. |
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| 08:21.58 | GexNZ | that's what I am trying. I may be going about it the wrong way. |
| 08:21.59 | umbop | but it only happens to a particular server, which is running 2k and terminal server on there |
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| 08:22.20 | GexNZ | I use the floppy install images off the debian netinstall business card. |
| 08:22.24 | jim | you need to make sure that the parallel#1 goes to the correct port (like, why doesn't it directly say /dev/lp1) |
| 08:22.30 | kadigibox | and that setting works for the other parallel printer |
| 08:22.32 | liable | GexNZ: you need the 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:22.33 | GexNZ | but when it loads it gets to adma100.o and segfaults |
| 08:22.35 | GexNZ | nope |
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| 08:22.48 | kadigibox | I just use a printer switch |
| 08:22.49 | jim | other parallel printer? |
| 08:22.50 | GexNZ | just trying it cause I couldn't get the 2.4 kernel to work |
| 08:23.10 | kadigibox | 2 printers useing the same parallel port |
| 08:23.20 | jim | can you get a second parallel port to put in there? |
| 08:23.29 | kadigibox | no |
| 08:23.36 | jim | the switching could be the problem |
| 08:23.40 | umbop | is there a way to update all packages that are already installed? |
| 08:23.45 | umbop | to the latest version |
| 08:23.48 | jim | it may be confusing cups |
| 08:23.52 | kadigibox | its a manual switch. I dont see how that could be a problem |
| 08:23.55 | SerajewelKS | umbop, apt-get upgrade |
| 08:23.56 | Guerin | umbop: yes |
| 08:24.07 | umbop | thanks :) |
| 08:24.28 | jim | aren't you telling cups that one kind of printer is installed on the port, only for it to (sometimes) find another? |
| 08:24.43 | jim | you need to separate them |
| 08:24.50 | SerajewelKS | jim, afaik it doesn't care if another printer is there as long as you're not trying to print to it |
| 08:24.54 | nkuttler | GexNZ: hrm, you could try the woody install floppies and dist-upgrade |
| 08:24.59 | kadigibox | even removeing the other printer doesnt do anything |
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| 08:25.09 | jim | but that is what he;s trying to do |
| 08:25.21 | GexNZ | woody = stable right? |
| 08:25.25 | SerajewelKS | jim, i mean as long as you don't try to print to printer A when B is plugged in |
| 08:25.29 | jim | yes, but so is sarge |
| 08:25.38 | SerajewelKS | jim, CUPS doesn't have the device open unless it's printing |
| 08:25.38 | nkuttler | GexNZ: old stable |
| 08:25.39 | jim | woody is previous stable |
| 08:26.00 | GexNZ | I don't really care which version of debian I install. this machine just needs a basic install. |
| 08:26.04 | jim | sarge is current stable |
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| 08:26.12 | SerajewelKS | kadigibox, try using the "text only" driver for CUPS |
| 08:26.14 | jim | you can install woody if you want' |
| 08:26.27 | kadigibox | I didnt see one |
| 08:26.32 | kadigibox | let me check though |
| 08:26.50 | SerajewelKS | kadigibox, IIRC it's "generic" or something similar |
| 08:26.58 | GexNZ | It seems to me that the problem is caused by the segfault when loading adma100.o. the next modprobe being for ide-detect fails. i think it is because of this. |
| 08:27.04 | Acerimusdux | GexNE: maybe just try downloading the Sarge floppies ...try something other than the businesscard iso |
| 08:27.07 | jim | those okidata printers are different |
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| 08:27.58 | jim | I think 2.6 kernel image was too large to put on floppies |
| 08:28.49 | Guerin | it can be done, but not with a debian kernel |
| 08:28.50 | Acerimusdux | GexNE: if you can acess the floppy to edit, you can maybe tell it not to install that module |
| 08:29.01 | kadigibox | Still nothing |
| 08:29.27 | GexNZ | Acerimusdux: I have the floppy image in this machien now. |
| 08:29.34 | lakbu | can someone help me configure a PPP server? |
| 08:29.44 | jim | please specify what "still nothing" means... there are several possibilities |
| 08:29.45 | GexNZ | Acerimusdux: but I dont' know where to look. it has udeb files |
| 08:29.46 | TypeRite | Has anyone here successfully booted from a hard drive that's > 137GB? |
| 08:29.56 | kadigibox | and error_log only shows me starting a job and canceling it |
| 08:30.08 | jm_ | TypeRite: uhm yes many people have |
| 08:30.52 | kadigibox | how can I specify what is going on when error log tells NOTHING and the printer doesnt do anything |
| 08:30.55 | jm_ | TypeRite: but that shouldn't matter much if you created /boot partition at the start |
| 08:31.01 | jim | when you shake a fizzy drink, it spills in all directions... |
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| 08:31.42 | TypeRite | jm_: should the boot loader be installed in /boot (eg: /dev/hda1) instead of the MBR (eg: /dev/hda), too? |
| 08:31.56 | jim | TypeRite: was it you who was asking about that? |
| 08:32.03 | qwertz_ | Hi! I'm doing a backup every 4 hours on my live server and I'd like to copy the backup to a second debian box, but the second box hasn't that many hd space free so I'd like to copy only every second backup. the naming is backup_db_05_12_24-14_00.tar.gz so is there any way to put this task in a cronjob? |
| 08:32.07 | nkuttler | GexNZ: it may be easier to try to install woody first: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/install |
| 08:32.20 | jim | as long as the /boot is NOT xfs, you should be able to put grub in hda |
| 08:32.38 | GexNZ | nkuttler: ok, ill give it a try |
| 08:32.40 | Acerimusdux | GexNZ - OK -I probably can't help with that then ... I gues it's creating the /etc/modules file after it unpacks - maybe just in ram at that point |
| 08:33.13 | jim | how can I determine the motherboard of a moreorless modern machine (coppermine/p3/celeron) without cracking the case? |
| 08:33.26 | jim | is there something I could cat? |
| 08:34.11 | nkuttler | jim: no manufacturer/model on the case? |
| 08:34.33 | jim | it was probably a fry's special |
| 08:34.38 | GexNZ | Acerimusdux: thanks anyway, i'll try woody. |
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| 08:35.18 | yale | so what should I do if I think I'm being hacked by somebody in Germany? |
| 08:35.36 | jim | nuke germany? |
| 08:35.45 | jim | just kidding :P |
| 08:35.50 | nkuttler | yale: why would you think that? |
| 08:35.53 | dak | ugh |
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| 08:35.58 | jm_ | TypeRite: it should be installed on MBR for it to be activated at boot - its files need to be in /boot too (and kernel etc.) |
| 08:36.22 | yale | nkuttler, like... a ton of ssh connections in syslog |
| 08:36.29 | yale | I assume from inetd... |
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| 08:36.47 | jim | yale: that's typical it seems |
| 08:36.57 | yale | tcpd or whatever it uses - how better could I log ssh connections? |
| 08:37.12 | yale | jim, whats typical? |
| 08:37.16 | jim | btw, just because it's in germany doesn't mean the hacker's not in nigeria for example |
| 08:37.22 | jim | ssh attacks |
| 08:37.36 | yale | well, I nmaped him lol... |
| 08:37.39 | nkuttler | yale: sshd: KNOWN in /etc/hosts.allow fixed that for me |
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| 08:37.51 | jim | I make it very not fun to attack me in several ways |
| 08:38.04 | TypeRite | jm_ and jim: first off, thank you both for having provided inputs since I started asking questions and exploring things about my "booting from a 400GB drive" problem. |
| 08:38.39 | yale | what about keys how do I use those? |
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| 08:38.46 | TypeRite | jm_ and jim: I have already tried creating a 500MB ext3 /boot partition in the start of my hard drive, and have tried both grub and xfs, and have tried 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, all to no avail. |
| 08:38.53 | yale | and how can I tell if he got in? |
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| 08:39.05 | TypeRite | jm_ and jim: bootup always gets stuck as soon as the kernel is loaded. |
| 08:39.14 | jim | how many cyls did the /boot partition take? |
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| 08:39.36 | jim | this is with sarge, right? |
| 08:39.38 | TypeRite | jim: I wasn't able to check that. within how many cylinders should I make sure /boot stays in? |
| 08:39.49 | TypeRite | jim: yes, this is always with Sarge (3.1r0a netinst CD). |
| 08:39.54 | pusling | hmm... any one heard of what is happened to gmane ? |
| 08:39.56 | jim | 1024 from beginning |
| 08:40.09 | jm_ | TypeRite: 500M is a total overkill ;) |
| 08:40.15 | jim | within cyl 0 - cyl 1023 |
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| 08:40.31 | TypeRite | jim: okay. and should it matter that LILO in installed to /dev/hda (eg: MBR)? should I have LILO install itself into /dev/hda1 (/boot) instead? |
| 08:40.38 | jm_ | 500M should fit withing 1024 cylinders, the limit was 523M IIRC |
| 08:40.39 | jim | yes, you don't need 500mb... 50 is possibly overkill too |
| 08:40.41 | ixion | yo! whats the most common dhcpd used? |
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| 08:40.56 | ixion | I need to be able to bind to a specific interface |
| 08:41.10 | yale | jim, how do you make it not fun? |
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| 08:41.20 | yale | I don't want it to be fun |
| 08:41.23 | snail | where would i go to learn about usb wireless devices and debian? |
| 08:41.26 | jim | nmap them with -TInsane, for one :) |
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| 08:41.32 | ixion | snail, what device? |
| 08:41.49 | ixion | snail, first thing you need to do is determine the chipset used by your usb device |
| 08:41.50 | TypeRite | jim and jm_: okay, I will reinstall (again) and will create a 50MB /boot partition at the beginning of the drive and then another large partition for everything else. I will also have LILO install itself onto /boot instead of the MBR. I will get back to you after the install run. Thanks. |
| 08:41.54 | yale | alright jim, Im doing it. |
| 08:42.10 | ixion | snail, atheros/acx1xx etc |
| 08:42.17 | jim | better check your aup |
| 08:42.18 | snail | ixion: it's a buffalo WLI-U2 |
| 08:42.20 | yale | and I'm also monitoring my tcp trafic and it's going insane, am I going to be kicked off of irc |
| 08:42.24 | yale | aup? |
| 08:42.26 | jim | the other thing, are they doing it now? |
| 08:42.34 | jim | if so, just turn off your sshd |
| 08:42.43 | yale | true. |
| 08:42.44 | snail | ixion: it the way i do this booting to windows and looking at the hardware details? |
| 08:42.48 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.55 | jim | that will stop them cold |
| 08:42.55 | yale | yeah... |
| 08:42.57 | ixion | snail, not that I am aware |
| 08:42.58 | jm_ | TypeRite: no, it has to be on MBR |
| 08:43.06 | yale | but I was sleeping when they started... |
| 08:43.20 | snail | ixion: i'll have a look at the docs |
| 08:43.24 | ixion | snail, try google madwifi, look at the list of cards supported incase you have an atheros chipset because they are quite easy to get working |
| 08:43.24 | yale | and on my other box it doesn't go through tcpd - so how can I log the attempts? |
| 08:43.24 | jim | then you can add their ip to /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 08:43.36 | Acerimusdux | I know I'm using 130M right now on my 250M /boot .. and I only have one kernel there now |
| 08:43.46 | Guerin | yale: run your sshd on port 34876 |
| 08:43.49 | Guerin | or some other one |
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| 08:44.00 | jim | don't attempts get logged thru /var/log/auth.log? |
| 08:44.02 | Guerin | it's cheap and dirty, but it catches the automatics |
| 08:44.23 | Guerin | jim: yeah, and it's trivial to monitor them and blacklist ips |
| 08:44.57 | jim | so can you automatically blacklist them and expire blacklist entries? |
| 08:44.57 | yale | jim, yes! |
| 08:45.00 | ixion | guys, whats the most common DHCPD please? |
| 08:45.06 | yale | Invalid user daniel from 83.151.19.230 |
| 08:45.09 | yale | lawl. |
| 08:45.12 | ixion | is it just "dhcpd" ? |
| 08:45.36 | ixion | yale, change your listening port for ssh |
| 08:46.12 | kmap | how can i reconfigure my ip address, gateway, dns etc., i.e. dpkg-reconfigure <what>? |
| 08:46.21 | nkuttler | kmap: man interfaces |
| 08:46.27 | ixion | kmap, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:46.41 | ixion | fine, I will go with dhcpd! |
| 08:46.49 | yale | well it seems they were using jack or something, - initd stopped them after fred. |
| 08:46.52 | kmap | nkuttler, right, nut can't i get the lazy interface which comes up in the installer? |
| 08:47.08 | jim | ixion: you should be able to search for what you want' |
| 08:47.09 | ixion | yes you can... kmap, one sec |
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| 08:47.28 | ixion | jim, I want the opinions of the people in this channel, not some random google one |
| 08:47.29 | GexNZ | Is it possible to use lilo to run a debian install cd? (bios won't let me use cd as first boot device) |
| 08:47.29 | nkuttler | kmap: man interfaces, iface ethX inet dhcp |
| 08:47.45 | jim | !poll |
| 08:47.46 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 08:48.05 | kmap | nkuttler: yes, editing interfaces is what i did, it works |
| 08:48.17 | srbaker | !bad polls |
| 08:48.17 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 08:48.22 | ixion | kmap, apt-get install etherconf and then dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
| 08:48.23 | kmap | nkuttler: but i wanted to check whether dpkg-reconfigure cud do that for me |
| 08:48.33 | kmap | ixion: thanks |
| 08:48.52 | kmap | ixion: I couldn't find that pkg name |
| 08:49.03 | ixion | kmap, honestly, you are better off editing interfaces manually |
| 08:49.23 | ixion | that etherconf thing has a mind of its own and I do not consider it to be reliable |
| 08:49.24 | SuPeRsTaR | When u boot from debian installation cd when they ask u like for extra parameters got text and more... What the parameters for advance optioons? |
| 08:49.25 | jim | kmap: he's right there... then you get used to that; it's the direct approach |
| 08:50.21 | ixion | kmap, bring up the /etc/network/interfaces file and you can problably work it out just by reading the file |
| 08:50.26 | GexNZ | anyone know lilo? can I make it boot an install cd? |
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| 08:50.32 | kmap | ixion: advice well taken |
| 08:50.32 | SuPeRsTaR | anyone/ |
| 08:50.41 | ixion | kmap, to appy your changes ifdown ethX -av and then ifup ethX -av |
| 08:50.42 | jim | lilo: do we know you? :) |
| 08:50.51 | PerfDave | SuPeRsTaR: Read the help on the CD, or the Debian Installation Manual |
| 08:50.53 | kmap | ixion: right |
| 08:51.08 | SuPeRsTaR | PerfDave is it the ncurses? |
| 08:51.12 | Vyrus001 | why does apt-get kernel-source not give me the full soruce code ? |
| 08:51.15 | PerfDave | SuPeRsTaR: Eh? |
| 08:51.25 | SuPeRsTaR | i jus wan to confirm but not too sure. |
| 08:51.29 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: "apt-get kernel-source" won't give you anything, it's not a valid command. |
| 08:51.31 | jm_ | Vyrus001: because you're clueless |
| 08:51.32 | ixion | Vyrus001, have you tried the kernel-headers? they normally do the job fine |
| 08:51.42 | PerfDave | SuPeRsTaR: The Debian installer is ncurses-based, is that what you mean? |
| 08:51.48 | jim | Vyrus001: "kernel-source" is not the full name for the package |
| 08:51.51 | Vyrus001 | ixion|| kernel headers wont work for this compile |
| 08:52.10 | Vyrus001 | jim sorry sp* i did an apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 08:52.15 | ixion | I see, apt-cache search for your uname -r output and grep to kernel should answer your question |
| 08:52.18 | SuPeRsTaR | hrm nvm i try to find out |
| 08:52.24 | jim | you should then have the source in a tarball |
| 08:52.28 | GexNZ | SuPeRsTaR: I think you type 'expert' at the boot command |
| 08:52.33 | Vyrus001 | jm_|| i red doc... but to no avail... sorry im just stuped or somting... i dont understand why it dosent work |
| 08:52.39 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: Why do you think you need kernel source? |
| 08:52.45 | jm_ | Vyrus001: did you even list the files in the package? |
| 08:52.47 | jim | Vyrus001: look in /usr/src |
| 08:52.48 | Vyrus001 | cus im compileing a driver |
| 08:52.53 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: What driver? |
| 08:53.00 | jm_ | you'll need to compile entire kernel this way |
| 08:53.01 | Vyrus001 | wlan-ng |
| 08:53.01 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: And can you configure your IRC client to use : rather than || after a nick? It's irritating ;) |
| 08:53.18 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: Use module-assistant. |
| 08:53.32 | ixion | wtf is wlan-ng ? |
| 08:53.42 | jim | : isn't that good either, ',' is better |
| 08:53.50 | petemc | no its not |
| 08:53.51 | PerfDave | jim: No, : is perfect. |
| 08:54.06 | jim | is too! is too! |
| 08:54.11 | jim | I win! |
| 08:54.32 | Vyrus001 | jm_: im sorry for not being able to comply with the instructions that u gave me |
| 08:54.37 | GexNZ | does lilo allow for manually entering the boot sequence like grub does? |
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| 08:54.59 | jim | sorta, but not in as complete a manner |
| 08:55.20 | ixion | Vyrus001, module assistant will probably build your drivers for you automatically and also meet the depencies |
| 08:55.32 | PerfDave | Hmm, my bad, I thought you could use module-assistant for wlan-ng but it seems that you can't. |
| 08:55.33 | ixion | err dependencies |
| 08:55.34 | Vyrus001 | jm_: all i understand at this point is that the configure file from the source is looking in my build dir for /include/linux/version.h |
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| 08:55.45 | ixion | oh right, ignore me to in that case |
| 08:55.49 | Vyrus001 | ixion: PerfDave ill have to look into that |
| 08:55.53 | Vyrus001 | thanx |
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| 08:56.03 | ixion | but he just said that you cant use it :p |
| 08:56.05 | jim | you can pick one image, with its initrd already configured or none if not, then about all you can do is supply cmd-line parameters to the kernel |
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| 08:56.25 | jm_ | Vyrus001: configure of the driver? |
| 08:56.30 | Vyrus001 | jm_: yea |
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| 08:56.53 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: oh ic... n/m then |
| 08:56.58 | jim | Vyrus001: how do you download the driver itself? |
| 08:57.09 | jm_ | Vyrus001: it shouldn't be looking there - install kernel-headers for your running kernel (it must match exactly!) and then tell it to use /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build symlink to find it |
| 08:57.11 | Vyrus001 | jim i went to the site and downloaded the source |
| 08:57.24 | jim | and it came in a ________? |
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| 08:57.26 | PerfDave | Is wlan-ng another thing for nasty Windows-only wifi cards? |
| 08:57.36 | Vyrus001 | jim tar.gz |
| 08:57.45 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: no |
| 08:57.45 | jim | ok, and what do you do next? |
| 08:57.57 | ixion | Vyrus001, can you not use wireless tools instead? |
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| 08:58.04 | Vyrus001 | this card works.. it just dosent work with kismet because i need drivers that let me use rfmon |
| 08:58.17 | Vyrus001 | it is "working" right now... im on from my lappy over wifi |
| 08:58.35 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: Is it not working because it's a Windows-only driver? ;) |
| 08:58.39 | ixion | from what I am reading wlan-ng is an alternative to wireless-tools |
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| 08:58.59 | yale | Vyrus001, what kind of card is it? |
| 08:58.59 | jim | ok, and what do you do next with this .tar.gz? |
| 08:59.00 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: the card is in use right now useing linux orinoco drivers |
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| 08:59.05 | Vyrus001 | yale: prism2 |
| 08:59.10 | ixion | http://www.tulrich.com/geekstuff/debian_tricks.html under the section "wireless G" |
| 08:59.12 | yale | oh... nice.. |
| 08:59.21 | Vyrus001 | http://cgi.ebay.com/GPS-Antenna-MMCX-connector-for-Navman-Haicom-Delorme_W0QQitemZ5792836277QQcategoryZ14946QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 08:59.29 | Vyrus001 | oops |
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| 08:59.50 | jim | prism2 are not restricted to windows, in fact you can use prism2 as access point |
| 09:00.16 | ixion | linux has native support for prism2 I thought? |
| 09:00.16 | Vyrus001 | jim: i got it out of an ap... |
| 09:00.24 | Vyrus001 | i just put it in my lappy :p |
| 09:00.32 | Vyrus001 | ixion: it does |
| 09:00.34 | Vyrus001 | like i said |
| 09:00.36 | Vyrus001 | im on it right now |
| 09:00.43 | ixion | so use wireless-tools? to change stuff? |
| 09:00.47 | Vyrus001 | i just need drivers that let me do rfmon so i can use kismet |
| 09:00.50 | ixion | whats this wlan-ng stuff about? |
| 09:00.53 | jim | you have to flash its "bios" |
| 09:01.06 | jim | that is, if you want it to do that |
| 09:01.08 | ixion | ok u lost me |
| 09:01.10 | PerfDave | Oh, there are Debian packages for "linux-wlan-ng" but only in sid |
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| 09:01.24 | Vyrus001 | jm_: thanx for the info |
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| 09:01.39 | Vyrus001 | not l337 enough for sid |
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| 09:01.54 | ixion | Vyrus001: deb http://www.fbriere.net/debian/dists/stable ./ |
| 09:01.54 | ixion | deb-src http://www.fbriere.net/debian/dists/stable ./ |
| 09:01.58 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: Backport? :) |
| 09:02.00 | ixion | those sources have wlan-ng |
| 09:02.04 | jim | PerfDave, any reason the package wouldn't build under sarge? |
| 09:02.04 | yale | Vyrus001, have you looked into Whax? |
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| 09:02.42 | ixion | so does this source: deb http://www.linex.org/sources/linex/debian sarge linex |
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| 09:03.12 | aria | haloo... |
| 09:03.14 | ixion | and this one: deb ftp://instantafs.cbs.mpg.de/instantafs/sarge/ / |
| 09:03.17 | ixion | need more? :p |
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| 09:03.43 | jim | so it's already backported, evidently... |
| 09:04.18 | skinny | hi :-) is there a bug on minimal ISO cd netinstaller? It's an error on find CDROM... any idea how to resolv it.. I have to install debian |
| 09:04.25 | aria | haloo...join dong |
| 09:04.46 | jim | don't spam us |
| 09:04.56 | Vyrus001 | jm_: cant apt-get install kernel-headers for my kernel... apt sais it is "not avalible" |
| 09:04.58 | nkuttler | skinny: did you check the md5sums? |
| 09:05.05 | PerfDave | jim: No idea, haven't tried ;) |
| 09:05.05 | Vyrus001 | but it showed up in apt-cache search |
| 09:05.14 | PerfDave | !why is linux-wlan-ng not in testing |
| 09:05.16 | dpkg | linux-wlan-ng is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-wlan-ng |
| 09:05.42 | PerfDave | jim: RC bugs, probably. |
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| 09:06.13 | skinny | nkuttler, no |
| 09:06.16 | aria | haloo..join dong...gag |
| 09:06.26 | PerfDave | jim: Ah. License-violating RC bugs. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293787 |
| 09:07.04 | PerfDave | So wlan-ng doesn't require Windows drivers, but it does require non-Free, binary firmware, which is almost as icky. |
| 09:07.05 | aria | haloo.. |
| 09:07.30 | PerfDave | aria: Hello. Do you have a question about Debian? Feel free to ask. |
| 09:07.33 | ixion | Vyrus001, I just gave you a bunch of sources with wlan-ng on it? |
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| 09:08.04 | Vyrus001 | i just found one site with some debs... but yea all the debs for this pack are scetchy |
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| 09:08.27 | ixion | <ixion> and this one: deb ftp://instantafs.cbs.mpg.de/instantafs/sarge/ / - ? |
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| 09:08.42 | ixion | <ixion> Vyrus001: deb http://www.fbriere.net/debian/dists/stable ./ |
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| 09:08.50 | ixion | u dont like those ones? |
| 09:09.02 | ixion | deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian/ ./ |
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| 09:09.32 | jm_ | Vyrus001: what kernel do you use? |
| 09:09.33 | tosh | when using procmail, how do I get the sender and contents of a mail feeded as arguments to a script? |
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| 09:09.53 | Vyrus001 | jm_: 2.6.8-1 |
| 09:10.01 | Vyrus001 | jm_: 2.6.8-1-686 celleron tyoe |
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| 09:10.03 | PerfDave | ixion: Hmm. I wouldn't try mixing Kanotix sources and Debian ones :) |
| 09:10.03 | Vyrus001 | type* |
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| 09:10.17 | PerfDave | tosh: man procmailrc, you can pipe the whole mail to a script and have the script parse it. |
| 09:10.27 | jm_ | Vyrus001: install 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 09:10.29 | aria | haloo.. |
| 09:10.47 | Vyrus001 | hehe |
| 09:10.52 | Vyrus001 | well there is always that |
| 09:10.53 | PerfDave | debianuser: "Like the one from workaround.org"? What mail server are you using, what IMAP server are you using, what's the url for this thing at workaround.org? |
| 09:11.24 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: Yeah, install a kernel-image that's actually in Sarge. I'm presuming you installed before it went stable :) |
| 09:11.49 | Vyrus001 | yea i think so... dont remember but.. yea |
| 09:11.58 | tosh | PerfDave thanks |
| 09:12.30 | PerfDave | tosh: If you're using Perl, Email::Filter is a handy module for parsing stuff instead of / in addition to .procmailrc. |
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| 09:13.09 | debianuser | PerfDave: postfix / courier imap /http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 09:13.41 | TypeRite | jm_ and jim: Hi, I'm back. Fresh install of Sarge, 2.6.8 kernel. Partitioning as follows: 50MB hda1 /boot ext3, 10GB hda2 / XFS, 380+GB hda5 /opt XFS. Installed Grub on MBR as is the default. Bootup stalls after "boot" (which comes after "savedefault"). |
| 09:14.34 | jim | wow... |
| 09:14.35 | PerfDave | debianuser: Sorry, I don't use postfix or courier, but if you ask your question again including that information, people will be more able to help you :) |
| 09:14.51 | jm_ | TypeRite: ok, might be worth trying latest GRUB, but I suppose that's not simple for you |
| 09:14.54 | PerfDave | 380Gb /opt? *fear* |
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| 09:15.41 | Whisky_ | looool i got DSL :p |
| 09:16.03 | Whisky_ | any idea how to link my Dad's win XP system to my Debian one for DSL? My debian one's the HUB with the router :O |
| 09:16.20 | nkuttler | debianuser: google the error |
| 09:16.27 | TypeRite | jm_: aside from using Grub from Sid and creating a boot CD from which I will boot all the time, what do you recommend? |
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| 09:18.19 | jm_ | TypeRite: I would use GRUB from CVS and try with that, otherwise I would ask on GRUB mailing list |
| 09:19.02 | PerfDave | Whisky_: There's a package to automate this but I can't remember the name; go to http://www.netfilter.org/ and read up on Network Address Translation. |
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| 09:19.20 | Whisky_ | ok hang |
| 09:19.36 | PerfDave | Whisky_: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 09:19.43 | jim | TypeRite: if you create a grub boot floppy, once you understand grub you can boot that floppy and install grub on the hd |
| 09:19.45 | PerfDave | Whisky_: But still read the documentation so you understand *how* it works :) |
| 09:19.50 | jim | using the floppy boot |
| 09:20.02 | Whisky_ | i got GuideDog? :/ |
| 09:20.20 | PerfDave | GuideDog? |
| 09:20.28 | jm_ | TypeRite: you can also install GRUB on floppy and use that (from command line), this takes 30s |
| 09:20.40 | debianuser | nkuttler: i googled the error.. didin't find anything |
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| 09:21.39 | TypeRite | jm_: would you be able to walk me through that last approach you mentioned? |
| 09:21.47 | jm_ | TypeRite: yes |
| 09:22.02 | TypeRite | jm_: please do, that would be great. thanks! (all eyes and ears now) |
| 09:23.00 | jm_ | TypeRite: wait you told me you don't have a floppy drive |
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| 09:24.40 | nkuttler | debianuser: checked the logfiles? /var/log/ |
| 09:24.58 | cuse | Hi! Is it possible that kmail is broken (sid)? I get a segmentatiion fault immediately on startup. |
| 09:25.16 | Slippy_ | cuse: check the bug reports? |
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| 09:25.39 | cuse | Slippy_: i cant acess the server, no response when i enter a search term |
| 09:25.59 | Eclipser | cuse, in sid, everything is possible |
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| 09:27.10 | GexNZ | would any xchat users tell me how to turn of join/departure messages please |
| 09:28.33 | DA_ | GexNZ: it should be in your general preferences methinks |
| 09:28.56 | jond3rd | GexNZ: /close ? :) |
| 09:29.07 | GexNZ | that must be it jond3rd |
| 09:29.41 | GexNZ | it ain't in my prefrences. first time I have used xchat. can't see it anywhere :/ |
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| 09:30.09 | DA_ | GexNZ: heh, been awhile for me... dunno what to tell you |
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| 09:30.13 | asuffield | right-click on the channel tab |
| 09:30.13 | grzesiek | hello, |
| 09:30.18 | asuffield | don't ask why it's there |
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| 09:30.21 | jond3rd | I don't think there's such a settings on xchat |
| 09:30.24 | PerfDave | cuse: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=kmail&archive=no&dist=unstable |
| 09:30.26 | GexNZ | asuffield: thanks. |
| 09:30.32 | asuffield | historically it was in a different, equally stupid, place |
| 09:30.42 | GexNZ | asuffield: I dont' think I would have ever found it :) |
| 09:30.51 | lttlstrwbrr | Can someone help me with initscripts? |
| 09:30.58 | cuse | PerfDave: i finally got a response of bugs.debian.org thanks! |
| 09:31.16 | PerfDave | cuse: Specifically, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317098 :) |
| 09:31.21 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: What do you need to know? |
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| 09:31.32 | grzesiek | After running apt-get upgrade my lappy doesn't see pcmcia cards or minipci cards, anyone have idea why could it be? |
| 09:32.02 | lttlstrwbrr | well, since I installed the last version, my computer doesn t switch off cleanly and on reboot hda has to be checked everytime |
| 09:32.05 | PerfDave | grzesiek: You're running sid? |
| 09:32.13 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: Installed the latest version of what? |
| 09:32.18 | grzesiek | PerfDave yes |
| 09:32.18 | lttlstrwbrr | initscripts |
| 09:32.33 | peritus_ | what do i need to play dvds in debian? totem and vlc fails, I guess I'm missing some package(s)? |
| 09:32.35 | PerfDave | grzesiek: That was kind of a rhetorical question ;) |
| 09:32.40 | DA_ | i forget whats the different between dist-upgrade and upgrade? |
| 09:32.44 | PerfDave | DA_: man apt-get |
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| 09:33.22 | DA_ | ahhh ok |
| 09:33.24 | PerfDave | peritus_: If you want to play region-encoded DVDs, you need a DeCSS-cracked libdvdcss, which is illegal in some countries. There should be a script to download it, somewhere in /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss IIRC, or you can get it from marillat - /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 09:34.05 | peritus_ | ah, PerfDave, thanks |
| 09:34.14 | PerfDave | Ah, the package is libdvdcss2 sorry. |
| 09:34.33 | eXistenZ | hello, I am not able to set my resolution more than 800x600, but I think my video card supports more than this, how can I fix this? |
| 09:34.36 | grzesiek | PerfDave no clues? :( |
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| 09:34.50 | PerfDave | grzesiek: You're running sid, shit happens. Have you checked the BTS? |
| 09:34.53 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 09:35.24 | grzesiek | PerfDave I'll have a look |
| 09:35.48 | lttlstrwbrr | i don t have any idea even how to start looking at the problem |
| 09:35.49 | GexNZ | I have managed to copy the vmlinuz.bin and initrd.gz to my mandrake system. so now I am proceeding with a the install using grub to load the installer from the disk. unfortunately I need to wipe the disk to install debian. any ideas if those two files will need to be accessed again? |
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| 09:36.04 | jim | grzesiek: as a sid user, that should -always- be your -first- stop, not here |
| 09:36.08 | SuPeRsTaR | ned help here urgentl!!! |
| 09:36.10 | PerfDave | grzesiek: Are you installing Debian or Mandrake? |
| 09:36.12 | SuPeRsTaR | i jus install debian |
| 09:36.22 | SuPeRsTaR | but sshd not install how do i install |
| 09:36.27 | PerfDave | SuPeRsTaR: Ask your question in a calm, coherent, preferably well-spelled manner. |
| 09:36.31 | PerfDave | SuPeRsTaR: apt-get install ssh |
| 09:36.45 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: How can I install rpms? |
| 09:36.55 | jim | SuPeRsTaR: your emergency is my sporting event... btw, are you paying? |
| 09:37.08 | GexNZ | PerfDave: I am installing debian. using mandrake as the host system. as detailed http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 09:37.24 | SuPeRsTaR | it says could not find package sshd |
| 09:37.27 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: Generally, installing RPMs on a Debian system is possible, but a horribly bad idea. Why do you want to do this? |
| 09:37.37 | PerfDave | SuPeRsTaR: Read what I said. apt-get install ssh |
| 09:37.46 | jim | SuPeRsTaR but sshd not install how do i install |
| 09:37.50 | jim | PerfDave SuPeRsTaR: apt-get install ssh |
| 09:37.56 | tosh | I have a samba server integrated in the win2003 AD, authentication is handled properly but when opening a share it always takes 10 to 15 secs to open the share. after that it works spontanious to open folders on the server... any ideas? |
| 09:38.01 | jim | SuPeRsTaR it says could not find package sshd |
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| 09:38.08 | jim | SuPeRsTaR: READ |
| 09:38.09 | SuPeRsTaR | it says could not find package ssh |
| 09:38.10 | SuPeRsTaR | same |
| 09:38.14 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: I'm installing an edonkey client, and I downloaded it in the form of rpm |
| 09:38.22 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: Is it not packaged for Debian? |
| 09:38.34 | PerfDave | SuPeRsTaR: Then your apt sources are screwed. Run apt-setup again. |
| 09:38.35 | eXistenZ | I'm not sure, how can I search |
| 09:38.37 | debianuser | i have another problem with postfix / courier now i get the message: "imaplogin: chdir test@turbocar.ro/: No such file or directory" what can be the cause, i can't find anything sefull on google ? |
| 09:38.37 | jim | !info ssh |
| 09:38.40 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:38.43 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.1p1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 09:38.44 | lttlstrwbrr | so nobody knows anything bout initscripts? |
| 09:38.54 | SuPeRsTaR | how now? |
| 09:39.08 | jim | !someone |
| 09:39.08 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 09:39.13 | TwistedEmotions | !tell lttlstrwbrr about ask |
| 09:39.13 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: What do you mean by installing the latest version of initscripts? |
| 09:39.14 | snail | eXistenZ: you almost certianly want to install it from the deb archive instead |
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| 09:39.34 | PerfDave | SuPeRsTaR: Go root, type "apt-setup" |
| 09:39.41 | SuPeRsTaR | ok holkd on |
| 09:39.49 | lttlstrwbrr | imean use synaptic to update all updatable |
| 09:39.56 | PerfDave | GexNZ: Ah, fair enough, I'm not familiar with installing Debian from Mandrake, sorry. |
| 09:40.04 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: You're running unstable? |
| 09:40.06 | snail | lttlstrwbrr: are you running stable or unstable? |
| 09:40.11 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: ... apt-get update? |
| 09:40.11 | lttlstrwbrr | sarge |
| 09:40.13 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: yep, it's not packed |
| 09:40.17 | snail | PerfDave: snap |
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| 09:40.27 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: yup |
| 09:40.32 | jim | lttlstrwbrr: try apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:40.39 | GexNZ | as a general question does a kernel read vmlinuz or initrd.gz once loaded? |
| 09:40.43 | b3nj | hi, what is the package name where 'findsmb' is ? |
| 09:40.47 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: does all available updates... i dont get it.. what is your question? |
| 09:40.54 | lttlstrwbrr | initscript-2.86.dsl-1 |
| 09:41.10 | jim | GexNZ: the initrd is already loaded into ram by the time the kernel loads |
| 09:41.11 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: If you're running Sarge, then you shouldn't have upgraded initscripts unless it has a security hole. |
| 09:41.14 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: my computer poweroffs badly and needs a double hda check next boot |
| 09:41.17 | PerfDave | !info initscripts sarge |
| 09:41.19 | b3nj | ok nwm |
| 09:41.19 | dpkg | initscripts: (Standard scripts needed for booting and shutting down), section base, is required. Version: 2.86.ds1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 09:41.31 | lttlstrwbrr | i upgrade what synaptic tells me to |
| 09:41.38 | jim | lttlstrwbrr: don't let it poweroff badly |
| 09:41.42 | TwistedEmotions | ohhhh.. your trying to update a certain package.. |
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| 09:41.50 | GexNZ | jim: so if I wipe my hard disk to install debian, the installer wont' try to access those files again? (hoping the install goes smoothly else I loose my host ssytem) |
| 09:41.51 | lttlstrwbrr | jim: how |
| 09:41.55 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: You haven't installed a new version of initscripts. |
| 09:42.12 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: and your shutting down properly? init 0 or init 6? |
| 09:42.13 | lttlstrwbrr | PerfDave: havent I? |
| 09:42.25 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: No, that's the version in Sarge. There hasn't been a security update for it or anything. |
| 09:42.26 | jim | lttlstrwbrr: that's left for you to research |
| 09:42.33 | lttlstrwbrr | I just type "poweroff" as I always did since I use linux |
| 09:42.45 | lttlstrwbrr | jim: that s helpful |
| 09:42.51 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: And what happens when you type "poweroff"? |
| 09:43.00 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: is this for a home computer or server? |
| 09:43.02 | jim | nonono, you use shutdown -h <when> |
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| 09:43.21 | lttlstrwbrr | computer goes down, but for some reason it can t umount / |
| 09:43.26 | PerfDave | jim: poweroff works like halt etc. |
| 09:43.33 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: The computer turns itself off? |
| 09:43.44 | TwistedEmotions | jim: never heard of "poweroff"... what does it do? same as shutdown or init 0? |
| 09:43.46 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: Or it hangs during the poweroff cycle? |
| 09:43.48 | lttlstrwbrr | PerfDave: yes |
| 09:43.51 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: man poweroff |
| 09:44.05 | peritus_ | PerfDave: thanks again, now I can watch DVDs :) |
| 09:44.06 | jim | lttlstrwbrr: if you've been using linux for any length of time, you know that any practice you get doing the appropriate research is time well spent |
| 09:44.07 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: Why do you think it can't unmount the root partition? |
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| 09:44.26 | lttlstrwbrr | PerfDave: i have no clue.. always did it ok before... |
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| 09:44.32 | voltagex | KDE was killed, there's an openoffice process still active, how can I get back to it? |
| 09:44.38 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: What makes you think that it can't unmount the root partition? |
| 09:44.56 | SuPeRsTaR | how do i edit the dns server? |
| 09:45.02 | lttlstrwbrr | PerfDave: says "umount: / busy" |
| 09:45.05 | lttlstrwbrr | and repeats it |
| 09:45.17 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: Err... shouldnt make difference HOW you call the command... thought I would recommend using init 0 or shutdown... |
| 09:45.24 | lttlstrwbrr | and then needs to check coz not umounted cleanly the next time |
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| 09:45.28 | SuPeRsTaR | how do i edit the dns server? ip address |
| 09:45.28 | AlexW | heyroom |
| 09:45.31 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: So it doesn't turn itself off? |
| 09:45.34 | AlexW | little problem |
| 09:45.43 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: ok, i can try... but still poweoff works fine on all my computers |
| 09:45.50 | lttlstrwbrr | PerfDave: it does eventually |
| 09:45.54 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: If halt or reboot is called when the system is not in runlevel 0 or 6, in other words when it's running normally, shutdown will be invoked instead (with the -h or -r flag). |
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| 09:46.09 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: so it *shouldnt* make a difference... |
| 09:46.13 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: shutdown -h now produces the same problem |
| 09:46.18 | AlexW | Cannot boot from DVD, works in this computer but in other wont, but in the other computer it will boot from a CD :/, any ideas? It is a DVD drive |
| 09:46.21 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: I tried that |
| 09:46.28 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: is this for a server or desktop? |
| 09:46.33 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: So your problem is "My root partition doesn't unmount cleanly on shutdown", yes? |
| 09:46.35 | Gaza | I just installed Debian. And cannot login to any user other then root, remotley or local. Can someone help me resolve this please? |
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| 09:46.36 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: desktop |
| 09:46.47 | snail | AlexW: not all DVD driver let you boot from them |
| 09:46.58 | PerfDave | Gaza: Did you add other users? How are you trying to log in? What errors do you get? |
| 09:47.03 | snail | AlexW particularly a problem with older DVD drives |
| 09:47.05 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: switch to testing? Why are you running stable on a desktop use computer anyways..? |
| 09:47.06 | lttlstrwbrr | PerfDave: yes.. plus.. "but it always did before this initscripts" |
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| 09:47.17 | snail | AlexW: check the BIOS options though |
| 09:47.18 | AlexW | so are there, floopys that can let me boot from it? |
| 09:47.20 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: sorry? |
| 09:47.24 | AlexW | Yeh checked that... |
| 09:47.31 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: there? |
| 09:47.31 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: You've always had initscripts installed and you haven't upgraded it. initscripts is irrelevant. |
| 09:47.33 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: switch to testing package? |
| 09:47.33 | Gaza | PerfDave: 4 other users are currentley added. Error: Unable to cd to "/home/gaza" |
| 09:47.34 | Whisky_ | ahh |
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| 09:47.42 | Yevgeniy | hello, what utility allows me to see what process/application uses ram and how much? |
| 09:47.43 | SuPeRsTaR | anyone know how to edit the dns server ip |
| 09:47.44 | PerfDave | Gaza: Does the directory /home/gaza exist? |
| 09:47.48 | Gaza | PerfDave: Yes |
| 09:47.49 | SuPeRsTaR | anyone know how to edit the dns server ip wat file is it |
| 09:47.54 | PerfDave | SuPeRsTaR: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:47.55 | Whisky_ | The DSL guy says I need to get another LAN card, put it in my system and then link my dad's lan card and my 2nd one. |
| 09:48.00 | snail | AlexW: not sure, sorry |
| 09:48.00 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: is this relevant to my problem? |
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| 09:48.09 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: yeah.. I dont quite think that the init script is the problem.. chances are it's a unmounting problem.. |
| 09:48.10 | lttlstrwbrr | PerfDave: ok, any suggestion? |
| 09:48.13 | PerfDave | Gaza: Are the permissions on /home and /home/gaza sufficient to allow the user gaza to log in? |
| 09:48.26 | SuPeRsTaR | THANK YOU guys Love u job done :) |
| 09:48.27 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: I was just suggesting since you wanted to update initscripts.. |
| 09:48.28 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Don't encourage newbies to run testing, they'll lose security updates. |
| 09:48.36 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: ok, but i have no clue how to debug it |
| 09:48.42 | PerfDave | Whisky_: What is connected to your system? |
| 09:48.53 | Gaza | PerfDave: Should be as I have not changed anything since adding the users. How do I check/modify this? |
| 09:48.56 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: sounded smart enough to me ;) |
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| 09:48.59 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: LAN card through a Router. |
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| 09:49.09 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: How can I run .deb file? |
| 09:49.12 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Then you will need a second LAN card, yes. |
| 09:49.18 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: You don't. You can install it with dpkg. man dpkg |
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| 09:49.38 | TwistedEmotions | lttlstrwbrr: there is a shutdown log... errr... I dont remember where it is.. brb |
| 09:49.41 | VoltageX | back now.... any ideas on how to restore an openoffice process? fg didn't do it |
| 09:49.48 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: i ll check it |
| 09:49.51 | umbop | bah madness http://www.tiscali.com/press/releases/10552825f1a.html |
| 09:49.51 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Sarge is perfectly adequate for a desktop anyway. lttlstrwbrr doesn't need to update initscripts. I have no idea why they're barking up that tree in the first place. |
| 09:50.13 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Thanks. And yes, is that wire (connecting my LAN card to the router) different from telephone wires? |
| 09:50.17 | PerfDave | Gaza: use "ls -ld /home", "ls -ld /home/gaza" |
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| 09:50.47 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: Where would the mount/umount log be for shutdown..? Basically where should he search for errors? |
| 09:50.47 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Yes. Network cable is usually Cat5E, with RJ45 terminators. Phone wires are some different cable system, with RJ11 terminators. |
| 09:51.01 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: I wasn't aware that shutdown kept logs. |
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| 09:51.14 | Gaza | PerfDave: drwxrwx--- 2 gaza gaza 4096 2005-08-02 20:18 /home/gaza |
| 09:51.29 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: I know you can.. cant you? Do you need to turn on loging for shutdown? |
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| 09:51.41 | lttlstrwbrr | PerfDave: everything logs in linux... |
| 09:51.54 | TwistedEmotions | hutdown, the same as booting, is logged to /var/log/messages |
| 09:51.56 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions, lttlstrwbrr: I've got some things in /var/log/messages from shutdown, but it's not very informative. Then again, my systems shut down cleanly :) |
| 09:51.57 | TwistedEmotions | *S |
| 09:51.57 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Thanks again. And just once more question, what do I need to link the two systems after I get the 2nd lan card and the 2 systems connected :S |
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| 09:52.33 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: ;) |
| 09:52.42 | PerfDave | Whisky_: "apt-get install ipmasq"; read the documentation on http://www.netfilter.org/ as I said before. You might also want to look into the "ifrename" package to give more meaningful names to your network interfaces ("eth-dsl" instead of "eth1" for example) |
| 09:52.49 | GexNZ | well formatting the hdd that I was installing off didn't prove to smart :) 'Debootstrap Error. No such script: /usr/lib/debootstra/scripts/etch' |
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| 09:53.05 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: When you start up your system, do you let fsck run fully and without error? |
| 09:53.12 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Thanks. |
| 09:53.25 | AlexW | Argh how annoying, spent all day waiting for dvd isos, burn them and it wont even boot :( |
| 09:53.36 | lttlstrwbrr | PerfDave: yes |
| 09:53.41 | TwistedEmotions | AlexW: just mount and play ;) |
| 09:53.51 | GexNZ | no matching physical volumns found |
| 09:53.53 | AlexW | mount what? |
| 09:54.08 | lttlstrwbrr | TwistedEmotions: no mistakes on varlogmessages |
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| 09:54.20 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: What do you think about, "guidedog - NAT/masquerading/port-forwarding configuration tool for KDE" |
| 09:54.41 | PerfDave | Whisky_: No idea, never used it. Things like that tend to stamp over Debian-specific tools for such things. |
| 09:54.51 | Whisky_ | kk |
| 09:54.52 | PerfDave | AlexW: You can use the DVD ISOs to generate CD ISOs without re-downloading. In fact, you should be able to make a netinst CD from the DVD, boot from the netinst CD, and install packages from the DVDs :) |
| 09:55.23 | Davincii | hey all, I am trying to get a citrix client to work, I have downloaded it from the citrix site, in tar form, and extracted it but I am lost in how to install it |
| 09:55.25 | PerfDave | Hee: "ACPI disabled because your bios is from 97 and too old" |
| 09:55.36 | PerfDave | Davincii: Read the Citrix documentation? :) |
| 09:55.39 | Davincii | has anyone here played with citrix |
| 09:55.49 | jm_ | TypeRite: are you still here? |
| 09:55.50 | TwistedEmotions | AlexW: ignore that comment I thought you were trying to play a movie that was a .iso file.. |
| 09:55.52 | Davincii | PerfDave, I have :) |
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| 09:56.06 | PerfDave | Davincii: Citrix isn't packaged for Debian :) |
| 09:56.07 | lttlstrwbrr | so how to debug this? |
| 09:56.09 | Gaza | PerfDave: "ls -ld /home/gaza" = drwxrwx--- 2 gaza gaza 4096 2005-08-02 20:18 /home/gaza |
| 09:56.12 | jm_ | Davincii: WFM |
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| 09:56.21 | Davincii | jm_, thx :) |
| 09:56.29 | PerfDave | Gaza: That should be OK. Sorry, got distracted. |
| 09:56.45 | Davincii | ok I think Ifound the way |
| 09:56.51 | jm_ | Davincii: I just used their wfica client, but we no longer use it so ... |
| 09:56.57 | Davincii | one too many red wines....... I missed a dir |
| 09:57.10 | Gaza | PerfDave: Is understandable, you seem rather busy this evening :P. Any ideas on it though? |
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| 09:57.49 | PerfDave | Gaza: How are you trying to log in again? Is /home/gaza listed as the home directory for user gaza in /etc/passwd? |
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| 09:58.24 | Gaza | PerfDave: SSH2 remotley, but cannot logon localy either. Will also check that now. |
| 09:58.26 | GexNZ | I attempted to do a net-stall using mandrake as a host system. In a gamble I formatted the drive hoping the installer wouldn't look at vmlinuz again. unfortunately the install is dying. I can access the contents of the net install cd. how can I manually put the contents of the hard disk or something similar to get a basic booting debian install? |
| 09:58.48 | Gaza | PerfDave: Yes it is in the passwd |
| 09:58.48 | lttlstrwbrr | you guys have any ideas? |
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| 09:58.53 | Davincii | BRB |
| 09:59.04 | PerfDave | Gaza: Is there anything more useful in /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 09:59.56 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: I can only suggest booting from a rescue floppy or CD, and doing a full fsck of every hard drive partition. If it's not unmounting cleanly, you might want to check the disk for bad sectors (again, using fsck) |
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| 10:00.09 | Gaza | PerfDave: Following 3 lines is what it says: Aug 2 21:47:24 localhost su[1059]: + pts/0 root:gaza |
| 10:00.09 | Gaza | Aug 2 21:47:24 localhost su[1059]: (pam_unix) session opened for user gaza by r |
| 10:00.09 | Gaza | oot(uid=0) |
| 10:00.09 | Gaza | Aug 2 21:47:24 localhost su[1059]: unable to cd to `/home/gaza' for user `gaza' |
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| 10:00.11 | concept10 | GexNZ, what do you mean the install is dying? |
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| 10:00.18 | Gaza | Oops! |
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| 10:01.45 | PerfDave | Gaza: /msg dpkg paster :) |
| 10:01.50 | TwistedEmotions | If I wanted to remove files except something... like rm *.tst expect test.tst... what would the proper syntex be? |
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| 10:02.24 | GexNZ | concept10: any further progress in the installer results in errors. I have lost them now. but I did just get a message saying "/target" doesn't have a partition mounted in it. so ill try manually mounting a partition in /target |
| 10:02.30 | concept10 | What is the easy way to install wireless on initial install without internet? copy modules to a disk? |
| 10:02.33 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: The easiest way is just to move your test.tst elsewhere (such as /tmp) while you perform the rm |
| 10:02.50 | Gaza | PerfDave: Ok, will remember that. Apologies. So anything springing to mind on this weird issue? |
| 10:02.54 | PerfDave | concept10: Depends on the wireless. Do you mean "sucky wireless that doesn't work without crappy non-Free drivers"? :) |
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| 10:02.58 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: kk thanks ;) Was hoping that wasnt the only way... |
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| 10:03.07 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: It's not the only way, it may be the easiest. |
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| 10:03.23 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: man rm? |
| 10:03.26 | concept10 | PerfDave, Yes. >.> |
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| 10:03.58 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: You could do something like this (untested, my sh is a little rusty): for file in *.tst; if [[ "$file" ne "test.tst" ]]; then rm "$file"; fi; done |
| 10:04.37 | PerfDave | concept10: Hmm. Don't know, since I avoid such things like the plague ;) |
| 10:04.51 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: To remove a file whose name starts with a `-', for example `-foo', use one of these commands:rm ./-foo |
| 10:04.56 | concept10 | It works now with the hostap drivers |
| 10:04.58 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: ;) looked it up.. |
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| 10:05.14 | concept10 | I want to be able to load those drivers on default |
| 10:05.42 | PerfDave | concept10: What do you mean, "load those drivers on default"? |
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| 10:06.15 | concept10 | PerfDave, during the install so I dont have to bring the box back here, I can do a net install over wireless |
| 10:07.38 | PerfDave | concept10: Make a customised install disk with hostap-modules-2.6.8-2-386 (and dependencies) on it, or a kernel containing the same? |
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| 10:08.28 | concept10 | PerfDave, okay. |
| 10:08.37 | concept10 | Thanks, later |
| 10:09.28 | Gaza | Hm |
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| 10:09.59 | PerfDave | Gaza: I'm not thinking of anything useful, really. Is /home on the root partition, or somewhere seperate? |
| 10:10.43 | Gaza | PerfDave: lol. Yes, it is on the root partition. |
| 10:11.11 | PerfDave | Gaza: Bah, there shouldn't be a mounting problem then. |
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| 10:11.23 | PerfDave | Gaza: Have you tried just logging in at a text tty? |
| 10:11.37 | Gaza | PerfDave: Yea, I found it rather weird myself |
| 10:12.53 | gumleef | from "man find": find [-H | -L] path ... [operand_expression ...] |
| 10:12.56 | gumleef | $ find -H . -type d |
| 10:12.56 | gumleef | find: invalid predicate `-H' |
| 10:13.15 | Gaza | PerfDave: I only have SSH2 open, which I cannot log into it with. But CAN logon locally |
| 10:13.22 | gumleef | is there a man page for find that matches the installed version? |
| 10:13.30 | Gaza | PerfDave: Wait, not locally either |
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| 10:14.29 | kittenbot | man -a find ? |
| 10:14.46 | PerfDave | Gaza: Locally using kdm or something, or just using a text tty? |
| 10:15.11 | jim | gumleef: umm... your prompt is just $? |
| 10:15.17 | Gaza | PerfDave: text |
| 10:15.28 | gumleef | jim, i clipped the rest |
| 10:15.31 | PerfDave | gumleef: Are you running Debian? |
| 10:15.42 | jim | oh, ok... but where are you reading that man page? |
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| 10:17.23 | TwistedEmotions | ;P idiots |
| 10:17.25 | Nigel | :S |
| 10:17.26 | VoltageX | wow that was fun |
| 10:17.27 | PerfDave | Gah. |
| 10:17.35 | Nigel | ummmm, might want to |
| 10:17.38 | Nigel | -i |
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| 10:17.57 | PerfDave | Gaza: What error do you get when you log in at a text tty? |
| 10:18.03 | VoltageX | why on earth do people bother doing that? |
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| 10:18.15 | Eonn | right back to the show |
| 10:18.16 | PerfDave | VoltageX: Because they have very small penises. |
| 10:18.19 | zophyx | i understood every word they said |
| 10:18.24 | Eonn | lol |
| 10:18.31 | VoltageX | PerfDave: thought so. |
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| 10:18.41 | Gaza | PerfDave: Same error as I do when remotley. 'Cannot cd to /home/gaza' |
| 10:18.43 | Whisky_ | loool |
| 10:18.50 | Whisky_ | Nice reason PerfDave :p |
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| 10:19.17 | jim | remotley recrue? |
| 10:19.22 | PerfDave | Gaza: And it doesn't let you log in at all? Because on my system, when I can't cd to my home directory when i log in, I just get dumped in / |
| 10:19.25 | Nigel | people get creative during the floods, thats why we run to the source of the water, instead of the hills :P |
| 10:20.12 | PerfDave | Gaza: Are you using some weird PAM shit? |
| 10:20.41 | Gaza | PerfDave: Nope, just installed Debian fresh about an hour ago. Have made the usernames, now wanted to login to them to install stuff and got denied |
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| 10:21.06 | jim | Gaza: how exactly did you make them? |
| 10:21.11 | PerfDave | Gaza: I have to admit that I'm stumped. |
| 10:21.20 | Gaza | jim: adduser |
| 10:21.24 | Gaza | PerfDave: Ok, thanks anyway |
| 10:21.39 | PerfDave | Gaza: /msg dpkg further help |
| 10:21.46 | jim | from a fresh install of sarge? |
| 10:21.50 | PerfDave | Gaza: Probably worth asking on debian-user |
| 10:22.13 | Gaza | jim: Fresh install |
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| 10:22.21 | Gaza | PerfDave: Ok, will check it out, thanks :) |
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| 10:22.57 | jim | as root, can you cd /home/gaza? |
| 10:23.24 | Gaza | jim: Yes |
| 10:23.31 | jim | ok, ls -ld |
| 10:23.51 | jim | and df . |
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| 10:24.08 | Gaza | jim: "ls -ld home" ? |
| 10:24.17 | jim | no |
| 10:24.24 | jim | cd to /home/gaza |
| 10:24.27 | jim | as root |
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| 10:24.33 | ixion | have you tried changing the users's password? |
| 10:24.37 | bob2 | ? |
| 10:24.37 | jim | then ls -ld ; df . |
| 10:25.35 | libertine | linuxsir.org dead |
| 10:25.42 | paster | "Gaza" at 203.79.115.230 pasted "Attn jim:" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/437 |
| 10:25.42 | jim | bob2: someone can't log in as the user they created, and it seems to be a dir perm problem |
| 10:25.52 | bob2 | no, wrt spammers |
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| 10:26.35 | sam_ | is there a app with gui that can search and find files by name or content ? |
| 10:26.39 | jim | all gone I guess |
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| 10:27.21 | jim | gaza: grep gaza /etc/passwd |
| 10:27.27 | jim | should produce -one- line |
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| 10:27.35 | ixion | sam, yes, you can do both |
| 10:27.42 | jim | you can paste that line here |
| 10:27.44 | sam_ | how |
| 10:28.05 | ixion | locate is the easiest way for file name - be sure to updatedb before using locate |
| 10:28.08 | Gaza | jim: gaza:x:1000:1000:Gaza,,,:/home/gaza:/bin/bash |
| 10:28.15 | ixion | to search for text within a file you will need to use grep.. man grep |
| 10:28.34 | jim | ok, grep gaza /etc/group |
| 10:28.34 | ixion | I dont know the syntax for grep otherwise I would tell you |
| 10:28.39 | jim | again, one line |
| 10:29.02 | Gaza | 7 lines there |
| 10:29.07 | jim | 7?? |
| 10:29.12 | Gaza | Yes |
| 10:29.16 | jim | one sec |
| 10:29.42 | jim | ok, grep ^gaza /etc/group |
| 10:30.01 | Gaza | gaza:x:1000: |
| 10:30.12 | xav_ | hmm |
| 10:30.13 | jim | it all looks fine |
| 10:30.27 | Gaza | That's the problem, looks but isn't, lol |
| 10:30.41 | jim | do you run x? |
| 10:30.56 | ixion | Gaza, how are you trying to login? locally? at the terminal? |
| 10:30.58 | Gaza | No |
| 10:31.00 | ixion | or remotely? |
| 10:31.05 | Gaza | ixion: Both |
| 10:31.08 | jim | you do not run x... |
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| 10:31.33 | Gaza | The guy on the machine at the moment having a look said 'no' when I asked him if we ran X |
| 10:31.41 | ixion | Gaza, have you tried rebooting, I've had odd problems with not being able to login, but after a reboot it works, the box runs fine for months then suddenly I cant login again and I have to reboot |
| 10:31.49 | jim | ok, can you switch to another vc and try logging in as gaza |
| 10:32.09 | Gaza | ixion: Rebooted about 5 minutes ago |
| 10:32.12 | ixion | k |
| 10:32.38 | ixion | and you've looked at var/log/auth |
| 10:32.45 | VoltageX | why does APT now want to verify everything with gpg? |
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| 10:33.03 | ixion | because you changed something |
| 10:33.15 | ixion | what a pointless question |
| 10:33.16 | Gaza | ixion: Yes |
| 10:33.25 | Gaza | jim: Same thing |
| 10:33.38 | jim | show the message again please? |
| 10:33.45 | ixion | you haven't installad samba or winbind have you gaza? |
| 10:33.49 | Gaza | Unable to cd to'/home'gaza' |
| 10:33.54 | VoltageX | aaaah! why does libaspell want to remove kde??? |
| 10:33.55 | Gaza | Er '/home/gaza' |
| 10:34.00 | Gaza | ixion: No |
| 10:34.12 | jim | ok, try this... |
| 10:34.12 | ixion | ok ill stop butting in now, sorry jim |
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| 10:34.24 | Gaza | Is ok, thanks for trying ixion |
| 10:34.30 | jim | no problem, I'm purposely here so anyone can butt in :) |
| 10:34.54 | ixion | cool, so auth doesnt give you any errors or what? |
| 10:35.22 | jim | as root... chmod 775 /home/gaza |
| 10:35.27 | jim | then try logging in |
| 10:35.40 | Gaza | locally? |
| 10:35.49 | PerfDave | VoltageX: Because you're running sid :) |
| 10:35.50 | jim | sure, or at any root login |
| 10:35.58 | kneet | power cut last night - one of the two IDE disks has lost its partition table (it's part of an lvm group - so that won't start properly either). So - I have no /usr, /var, /etc or /tmp. I have no idea how to start trying to get this back |
| 10:36.04 | VoltageX | PerfDave: ah |
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| 10:36.12 | VoltageX | all I want to do is install gaim |
| 10:36.20 | PerfDave | VoltageX: Don't run sid ;) |
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| 10:36.36 | Gaza | jim: Unable to cd to "/home/gaza" |
| 10:36.40 | VoltageX | PerfDave: I like my software newer than a year old. |
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| 10:37.16 | jim | Gaza: and this is after a -fresh-, -unmodified- install of sarge? |
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| 10:37.35 | PerfDave | VoltageX: So do I, that's why I run Sarge. |
| 10:37.43 | Gaza | jim: Fresh install just over an hour ago |
| 10:38.10 | jim | hmm... why is your home dir 770? |
| 10:38.43 | Gaza | ?? |
| 10:38.45 | PerfDave | jim: During install, you're asked what permissions you want to use for home directories. 770 is the "don't allow anyone else to look at my stuff" option. |
| 10:39.09 | jim | oh, ok |
| 10:39.33 | jim | gaza: do you just have the base installed atm? |
| 10:39.45 | Gaza | YEs |
| 10:40.03 | Gaza | + ggc, make, automake, c++, ircu |
| 10:40.19 | jim | ok, is this a netinst cd? or did the installer pieces and base packages download? |
| 10:40.31 | Gaza | From CD |
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| 10:40.46 | jim | ohh, from a full cd #1? |
| 10:40.56 | Gaza | Yes |
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| 10:41.39 | jim | ok, could you try reinstalling and not using the "don't allow ..." thing for "my stuff"? |
| 10:41.53 | Gaza | If I have to I guess, lol |
| 10:42.11 | Gaza | Cannot do it now though, have work in the morning. Will do it tomorrow when I get home |
| 10:42.12 | DaViDeX | do you know why my debian 3.0 can't find my net adapter?? |
| 10:42.23 | jim | I'm totally stumpped about the problem you're having |
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| 10:42.45 | Gaza | It's cool, I haven't really done anything on it, so I won't lose anything |
| 10:42.46 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 10:42.46 | jim | because absolutely everything looks good except for this one part |
| 10:42.48 | PerfDave | DaViDeX: Not without more information. But why are you using 3.0 and not 3.1? |
| 10:42.50 | leminhteo | i am a newbie |
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| 10:43.04 | PerfDave | jim: Uhm, the "don't allow other people" thing WFM, FWIW :) |
| 10:43.11 | PerfDave | leminhteo: It's OK, we can tell :) |
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| 10:43.32 | leminhteo | does debian like redhat |
| 10:43.50 | DaViDeX | because i'm from polish and polish version of debian www page is very old now i'm downloading iso images of sarge |
| 10:43.51 | dimir | no |
| 10:43.57 | Gaza | PerfDave: jim: I thank you both for trying to help me, I will re-install tomorrow night. Have a good day :) |
| 10:44.08 | jim | my guess, is a non-gaza user (and non-root) is trying to cd to your home dir upon login |
| 10:44.09 | jtza8 | Where I come from we don't use dollars. Which package shoud I dpkg-reconfigure to change my locale? |
| 10:44.31 | leminhteo | can i mutiboot with debian |
| 10:44.39 | jim | sure |
| 10:44.59 | leminhteo | davidex r u there |
| 10:45.00 | DaViDeX | lilo, grub etc |
| 10:45.09 | PerfDave | Gaza: I'd e-mail your problem to debian-user and see if they can help. |
| 10:45.12 | dimir | no, it's not like RedHat, it's better :-P |
| 10:45.17 | PerfDave | jtza8: /msg dpkg locales |
| 10:45.23 | leminhteo | devidex ok |
| 10:45.27 | leminhteo | Devidex thanks |
| 10:45.34 | DaViDeX | ok |
| 10:45.35 | jtza8 | PerfDave, thx |
| 10:45.37 | PerfDave | leminhteo: "Debian" doesn't like anything, it's an operating system, incapable of human emotion :) |
| 10:45.54 | umbop | hmm how would i get the volum controls on this thinkpad ibm to work |
| 10:46.02 | umbop | i.e. mute, increase and decrease |
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| 10:46.40 | jim | except my guess is not quite good, because after you chmoded the dir it should have been possible for anyone to cd to your dir |
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| 10:47.25 | jim | as root, ls -ld /home/gaza |
| 10:47.42 | jim | once more, so I can just make sure it's right |
| 10:48.04 | jim | btw, debian also doesn't dislike anything... |
| 10:48.37 | leminhteo | can i use command in redhat for debian |
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| 10:49.02 | Gaza | jim: drwxrwxr-x 2 gaza gaza 4096 2005-08-02 20:18 /home/gaza |
| 10:49.08 | PerfDave | leminhteo: Not all commands are the same, no, but there are usually equivalents. |
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| 10:49.31 | jim | gaza: the command did what we expected |
| 10:49.31 | leminhteo | PrefDave thanks |
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| 10:50.43 | Gaza | jim: That's ok, will re-install tomorrow night, am off to bed now. Thanks for your help |
| 10:50.46 | jim | one last thing, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:51.45 | Gaza | jim: 3.1 |
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| 10:51.57 | jim | yep, it all looks good |
| 10:52.18 | jim | ok, seeya tomorrow (or some of us will :) |
| 10:52.33 | Gaza | lol, thanks for your help :) it is all appreciated |
| 10:52.36 | Gaza | G'night |
| 10:53.19 | DaViDeX | my God: fourteen images; 350 kb/s |
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| 10:54.46 | PerfDave | DaViDeX: Why are you downloading all Debian images? |
| 10:55.01 | PerfDave | Still, 350kb/s is nice and fast :) |
| 10:55.29 | DaViDeX | because this is uncle's computer and i'm on holiday |
| 10:56.07 | PerfDave | DaViDeX: You don't need all of them to install Debian, you know :) |
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| 10:56.24 | PerfDave | Argh, somebody remind me what "tty" is supposed to stand for? |
| 10:56.34 | Phated | teletype |
| 10:56.52 | jim | try try yourself |
| 10:57.02 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 10:57.31 | leminhteo | bye all |
| 10:57.37 | leminhteo | gl to all |
| 10:57.38 | leminhteo | bb |
| 10:57.57 | jim | but in most unix contexts, it really refers to a "terminal" (which a teletype is one kind of) |
| 10:58.02 | herbi | hmm |
| 10:58.14 | herbi | wondering if anyone can help me with a totally off topic problem |
| 10:58.17 | herbi | but an interesting one |
| 10:58.20 | herbi | and for a good cause |
| 10:58.33 | jim | ooooh, a -cause-! |
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| 10:58.40 | herbi | a while ago, i was doing some freelance webdev for a guy |
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| 10:58.43 | amorphix | morning guys |
| 10:58.54 | herbi | i work for the government now, but he called me up the other day and asked for some changes to be made |
| 10:59.01 | herbi | and im like sure! ill even do it for free |
| 10:59.06 | hcy | hi, sed question: How can I use sed to capitalize the first letter of sentences? |
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| 10:59.30 | amorphix | I'm having a problem with a module which isnt loading up with the right values, is there a way to fix this so it loads up right instead of doing it manually everyday? |
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| 10:59.39 | jim | hcy: first you have to determine how to figure out where a sentence is |
| 10:59.52 | herbi | now the last time i remember ftping in, and i had to CWD to some weird directory to have write access, the "/" you get into by default is read only |
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| 11:00.07 | herbi | unfortunately the last time was a long time ago |
| 11:00.11 | DaViDeX_ | the computer was restart itself!!!!!!!!!;((( |
| 11:00.13 | herbi | and i no longer remember the path of that directory |
| 11:00.37 | herbi | the server is microsoft ftp on windows 2000 |
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| 11:00.39 | dimir | amorphix: yes, /etc/modules.conf is for specifying the options to the modules which are loaded whoever by |
| 11:00.45 | herbi | has anyone seen this before in their travels? |
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| 11:01.07 | PerfDave | herbi: You're asking us how to deal with Microsoft FTP on Windows 2000? How is that relevant to Debian? |
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| 11:01.29 | PerfDave | herbi: And do you really have to press return after every half-dozen words? |
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| 11:01.37 | herbi | PerfDave, youre questioning what i said without reading what i said? |
| 11:01.38 | amorphix | dimir: many thanks |
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| 11:01.53 | herbi | im just trying to propagate some good in the universe |
| 11:01.59 | dimir | amorphix: no problemo |
| 11:02.03 | PerfDave | herbi: #windows |
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| 11:02.18 | hcy | jim, well it's the first letter of a line, or the first letter after a period, question mark or exclamation mark. |
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| 11:02.38 | herbi | ugh |
| 11:02.43 | PerfDave | herbi: Propogate some good in the world by getting this friend fo yours to install Debian. |
| 11:02.54 | dimir | amorphix: the keyword is 'options', like: options loop max_loop=64 |
| 11:03.03 | amorphix | aha thanks, i was just wondering ;-) |
| 11:03.07 | herbi | PerfDave, he isnt a friend, get off my case im a fucking debian sysadmin yeah? |
| 11:03.19 | herbi | im just trying to do a good deed for a small businessman |
| 11:03.21 | herbi | thats all |
| 11:03.34 | PerfDave | herbi: That's nice. If you're a Debian sysadmin, you should be clueful enough to know where to ask questions about Microsoft FTP server, and that #debian isn't that place. |
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| 11:03.54 | PerfDave | herbi: I'm a Debian sysadmin. Do I ask #debian about my IPCop firewall? No, because it's not relevant here. |
| 11:04.00 | dimir | :-) |
| 11:04.07 | herbi | oh right i see the problem here |
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| 11:04.37 | PerfDave | herbi: The problem here is that you're spamming #debian with questions about Windows :) |
| 11:04.41 | zophyx | heh, that off/on switch can cause a problem or two :) |
| 11:05.04 | herbi | you feel that if the sequence of characters i type doesnt match your perception of whats right, the universe may fall the pieces |
| 11:05.29 | PerfDave | herbi: No, the universe doesn't care about you, or your Windows problem. And neither do I :) |
| 11:05.30 | dimir | lol, no doubt the guy is working for govrenment |
| 11:05.33 | jim | herbi: but a better deed would be to tell the small business guy the story of ernie ball string co, who tried to do the right thing wrt licensing windows, but microsoft took them for $100,000 and so they immediately got rid of all their windows software, all of it, and switched to linux |
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| 11:05.57 | knt | hi all, i'm searching for a tool to watch the system source usage statics of a running program. any suggestions? |
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| 11:06.37 | jim | that's -not- a better deed? |
| 11:07.18 | dimir | knt: like, you need to test your program's system resource usage, like memory, or what? |
| 11:07.20 | Phated | You -are- saving him a hungred G. |
| 11:07.23 | Phated | hundred* |
| 11:07.27 | knt | dimir, memory and cpu. |
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| 11:07.33 | jim | or more, or less... |
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| 11:07.47 | pureone | knt grkellm? |
| 11:07.49 | herbi | yeah cos this guy didnt just type web hosting into google and click the cheapest link he cuold find |
| 11:07.50 | herbi | no |
| 11:07.57 | knt | pureone, i need to save 'em to a logfile. |
| 11:07.59 | herbi | he went and spent $100,000 on microsoft licenses |
| 11:08.02 | herbi | doesnt everyone? |
| 11:08.06 | xumz | hi guys |
| 11:08.07 | dimir | knt: Well, if I understood you correctly, I use valgrind to test my applications' memory usage. |
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| 11:08.16 | pureone | ok, i dont know of any programs like that |
| 11:08.23 | dimir | knt: and utility 'time' to test their speed. |
| 11:08.25 | knt | pureone, furthermore gkrellm displays stats for whole system. i just need for one process. |
| 11:08.32 | xumz | could i possibly ask someone for advice on partitioning a hard drive for use with debian and windows?? |
| 11:08.42 | PerfDave | Gosh, that took a long time to get someone to realise that Windows questions aren't relevant on #debian ;) |
| 11:08.47 | PerfDave | xumz: You can ask ;) |
| 11:08.58 | knt | dimir, i need time statics. like mem usage graph in an hour. |
| 11:09.02 | PerfDave | xumz: If I were you, I'd partition 100% of your hard drive for Debian, and 0% for Windows ;) |
| 11:09.04 | ixion | what port does nntp use again? |
| 11:09.08 | ixion | 139? |
| 11:09.16 | dimir | knt: oh, it's a daemon? |
| 11:09.22 | knt | dimir, yes. |
| 11:09.23 | PerfDave | ixion: grep ntp /etc/services |
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| 11:09.27 | dimir | knt: no help from me, then :-P~ |
| 11:09.28 | Noid | PerfDave: i bet he could have found the answer by himself in that time |
| 11:09.34 | ixion | I dont have nntp, I want to block it |
| 11:09.45 | ixion | ill just google it, thought someone might know off hand |
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| 11:09.51 | PerfDave | ixion: grep ntp /etc/services |
| 11:10.02 | pureone | ixion port 123 |
| 11:10.05 | dimir | knt: So, you need a daemon, to record your daemons resources usage :-P |
| 11:10.05 | jim | ntp? or nntp? |
| 11:10.07 | pureone | i think |
| 11:10.17 | ixion | if I dont have a nntp service how will it show up in services? |
| 11:10.19 | jim | or nnrp? |
| 11:10.23 | xumz | i have a large hard disk which is partitioned as FAT32. there is no OS installed on it - just about 40gb worth of MP3s. i want to install debian on it but i am worried about losing all that music if i have to repartition the drive |
| 11:10.28 | xumz | is there any way around this? |
| 11:10.31 | pureone | !nntp |
| 11:10.31 | dpkg | it has been said that nntp is the protocol for news servers |
| 11:10.48 | pureone | !wb dpkg |
| 11:10.49 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
| 11:10.51 | jim | !port nntp |
| 11:10.52 | ixion | ah PerfDave, I see what you are getting at, its nntp not ntp :) |
| 11:10.54 | Noid | xumz: copy the files elsewhere, then partition |
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| 11:11.06 | Noid | xumz: ALWAYS back up your files |
| 11:11.09 | xumz | i don't have anything i can back the stuff up onto |
| 11:11.14 | ixion | its port 119 for anyone that wanted to know |
| 11:11.15 | lttlstrwbrr | if I do a shutdown immediately / stays busy |
| 11:11.18 | xumz | 40gb is a lot |
| 11:11.19 | lttlstrwbrr | if I do a |
| 11:11.29 | lttlstrwbrr | init 1 and then a init 0 I have no prob |
| 11:11.34 | Noid | xumz: not really, it's less than 10 dvds |
| 11:11.37 | lttlstrwbrr | what can I do? |
| 11:11.39 | ixion | lttlstrwbrr, does "fg" shed any light ? |
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| 11:11.57 | PerfDave | ixion: Doesn't matter, it'll still show up in that grep ;p |
| 11:12.04 | xumz | is it not possible to install debian straight onto the drive, bearing in mind that there is no OS installed on it? |
| 11:12.08 | Whisky_ | why does my eth0 link suddenly die and then I have to reboot to use the Internet again ? |
| 11:12.15 | lttlstrwbrr | ixion: i ll check |
| 11:12.39 | petemc | Whisky_: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 11:12.41 | PerfDave | xumz: You should be able to resize your FAT32 partition to make room for Debian without incident, but it's always worth backing up when you resize partitions. |
| 11:12.52 | xumz | hmm |
| 11:12.58 | lttlstrwbrr | but even if I boot and don t log in, just use gdm to shutdown, or log in text and say shutdown -h now it / stays busy |
| 11:13.03 | PerfDave | xumz: I presume you want to keep your mp3s, right? :) |
| 11:13.08 | xumz | i imagine i can resize the partition in fdisk?? |
| 11:13.13 | xumz | yes, i do |
| 11:13.21 | PerfDave | xumz: No, fdisk is to edit a partition table, not resize. |
| 11:13.24 | Noid | xumz: there are several tools to repartition, but if they wipe out your mp3, don't say you weren't warned |
| 11:13.38 | xumz | ha! |
| 11:13.43 | asad2k5 | I have a folder in /root and configuration files in /etc and would like to create a tar file so that if extracted will put the folder and files in the right place |
| 11:13.45 | PerfDave | xumz: If you wan to resize, boot a Knoppix CD and use qtparted. It's worked for me for resizing FAT32 partitions, but there's no warranty ;) |
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| 11:14.08 | ztrajp | Hi, i try to make an xdm thin-clinet solution, it's login into a windows 2003 ads machine, and here is , my problem: how to mount the home directory from the 2003 machine after username and password in xdm? |
| 11:14.11 | Whisky_ | petemc: I am using a lan card and a router for DSL. Without any good reason, the link suddenly fails and when i reboot, its perfectly ok. |
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| 11:14.28 | xumz | knoppix?? is that dist that can book linux under a windows environment? |
| 11:14.31 | lttlstrwbrr | init 1 -> init 0 clean reboot |
| 11:14.35 | PerfDave | xumz: No, it's a Linux liveCD. |
| 11:14.37 | lttlstrwbrr | else not |
| 11:14.39 | lttlstrwbrr | any idea |
| 11:14.39 | lttlstrwbrr | ? |
| 11:14.39 | petemc | Whisky_: check dmesg. /var/log/messages, run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:14.46 | xumz | where can i get it? |
| 11:14.49 | TypeRite | jm_ and jim: after much hardware shuffling, it turns out that my problem is NOT because I'm booting off of 400GB drives, but because I'm using a Promise Ultra133 TX2 (I have three 400GB drives, although not yet set up with Software RAID). For things to work I fine I just need to remove all drives from the Ultra133 TX2 which causes it to disable its BIOS. Otherwise it interferes with the mobo's BIOS and the whole booting process. I'm still stuck, but at lea |
| 11:14.50 | TypeRite | st now I know it's not an issue with the 400GB drives. |
| 11:14.55 | PerfDave | xumz: http://www.knoppix.net/ |
| 11:14.56 | TypeRite | jm_ and jim: thank you very much for your patience earlier. |
| 11:15.16 | PerfDave | ztrajp: libpam-mount will let you use your username and password to mount a SMB share from a Windows fileserver. |
| 11:15.16 | xumz | thanks |
| 11:16.42 | lttlstrwbrr | I start to think PerfDave is a bot: it writes a lot, doesn t read and never answer a question lol |
| 11:16.42 | ztrajp | PerfDave: okey, thanx for the tip.. do u have an example url: or something, i can look at ?? |
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| 11:17.05 | ixion | !crontab |
| 11:17.06 | dpkg | format: min, hour, day of month, month, day of week, command. or see cron, or see crontab demystified |
| 11:17.16 | Whisky_ | petemc: Thanks. |
| 11:17.17 | PerfDave | lttlstrwbrr: Well, fuck you, you shit. I've spent fucking ages trying to help you, you ungrateful little cunt. |
| 11:17.17 | jm_ | TypeRite: yay, good work |
| 11:17.34 | lttlstrwbrr | yup, now I am sure it s a bot |
| 11:17.35 | PerfDave | ztrajp: apt-cache show libpam-mount |
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| 11:17.46 | Phated | !beer PerfDave |
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| 11:19.12 | Mole | when will xorg be fixed in sid? i havent been able to run apt-get upgrade for a long time now :/ |
| 11:19.23 | kekkeri | i need to know bicause im installing coppermine fotogallery |
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| 11:20.27 | jim | kekkeri: what's a command that would be in imagemagick? |
| 11:20.37 | petemc | convert |
| 11:20.46 | Ronin` | well i see i still havent fixed irssi |
| 11:20.53 | billions | hey guys.... what's the terminal command to create a new directory? +_= |
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| 11:20.58 | jim | kekkeri: which convert |
| 11:20.59 | Phated | mkdir. |
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| 11:21.02 | billions | thx |
| 11:21.03 | ixion | anyone see the error with this? : 25 12 00 00 00 /root/scripts/./block119 |
| 11:21.06 | ixion | crontab entry |
| 11:21.26 | kurtak | quick question: when do 'make oldconfig' and you're asked the question "Local version - append to kernel release []" is it better to put something there, especially if you patched the kernel? |
| 11:21.37 | jim | kekkeri:; -no- private help. |
| 11:21.44 | kurtak | or does it really matter? |
| 11:21.45 | kekkeri | aham :) |
| 11:21.47 | kekkeri | :9 |
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| 11:21.56 | Whisky_ | petemc: Apparently it died coz of this: Aug 2 13:09:46 gigiani pppoe-discovery: Timeout waiting for PADO packets |
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| 11:22.23 | jim | that way, I can disappear away from here any time I want |
| 11:22.27 | kekkeri | petemc: ?? |
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| 11:22.53 | petemc | kekkeri: what? |
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| 11:23.05 | kekkeri | what my imagaemagick path |
| 11:23.15 | petemc | Whisky_: means nothing to me, i use a little bit of hardware to do my pppoa |
| 11:23.25 | PeterB | ixion: The 00's are wrong. |
| 11:23.27 | Whisky_ | hardware ? |
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| 11:23.32 | petemc | kekkeri: dpkg -L imagemagick |
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| 11:23.54 | billions | what about cut/paste or otherwise moving files in term? |
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| 11:24.19 | Phated | billions: moving? mv. cut/paste between files? cat/echo. Get a linux basics book. |
| 11:24.33 | billions | -.- ty |
| 11:24.51 | kekkeri | petemc: what u prefear me to put there.. coz im begginer to isntall coppermine.. |
| 11:25.26 | knt | how can i get the meaning of fields in /proc/{stat,loadavg} files? |
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| 11:25.42 | jm_ | knt: read kernel docs/source |
| 11:26.04 | jm_ | RedHat Linux Reference Guide also explains many of the files in there ;) |
| 11:26.26 | kekkeri | petemc: /usr/share/doc/imagemagick/images/ ?? |
| 11:26.56 | knt | jm_, thanks. (Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt seems to be my wanswer.) |
| 11:27.07 | petemc | kekkeri: ive no idea what coppermine is, im not sure which of the tools it wants to know the location of, and i dont know why you're asking me directly |
| 11:27.33 | kekkeri | petemc: i was thinking u got experience.. |
| 11:27.40 | petemc | not with coppermine... |
| 11:27.40 | jm_ | knt: yup |
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| 11:29.09 | xumz | does anyone know if an ipod can be configured to work in debian? |
| 11:29.16 | positrix | what's a free replacement for pine? |
| 11:29.21 | streuner | !pine |
| 11:29.22 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
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| 11:29.36 | jm_ | mutt |
| 11:29.38 | petemc | kekkeri: does the app you're trying to install not look in /usr/bin/ by default? if it doesnt, its stupid |
| 11:30.37 | notty | i have a problem with my postfix server and sasl: i get this error: warning: SASL authentication failure: incorrect digest response any ideea what i can do ? |
| 11:30.46 | Whisky_ | !router |
| 11:30.47 | dpkg | from memory, router is A device that bridges an internal network to another network. Take a ferry as an example: cars that need to go to the other side of a body of water (another network) need to use the ferry (the router). If they want to stay on their side, they simply don't go on the ferry. Also a device used to bridge a computer to a long distance digital communications network, such as ISDN. |
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| 11:32.30 | Casanova | how do i create a deb package from a source package? |
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| 11:33.44 | jm_ | whisk;I noticed there are two different scripts for pppoe in Debian, one is in /usr/share/doc/ppp/examples, the other is in /etc/ppp/peers - I had troubles with the former, but the latter worked (the docs tell you to use the former) |
| 11:33.50 | jm_ | doh |
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| 11:33.57 | berzerka | Casanova: dpkg-buildpackage.. dont know the exact use though, look in the man page |
| 11:34.15 | Casanova | berzerka: i will look into it thanx |
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| 11:34.29 | D3v1L | http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 11:34.59 | berzerka | Casanova: you need the package dpkg-dev |
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| 11:35.21 | Casanova | i see |
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| 11:36.05 | kitty-Kun | When i'm using apt-get is there a way to have it get all the packages that start with gimp? Like, I wanna download gimp-gap and gimp-svg at the same time. IS there a way? |
| 11:36.18 | fatal__ | Casanova: you probably want -uc -us -rfakeroot if it's a one time only build.... |
| 11:36.44 | Casanova | fatal__: i dont get you |
| 11:36.50 | rking | kitty-Kun: have you already tried apt-get install gimp-\* ? i doubt that would work, but it's worth a shot |
| 11:36.51 | Casanova | what are those things you mentioned |
| 11:36.52 | fatal__ | Casanova: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:36.57 | Casanova | oh ok |
| 11:37.23 | Casanova | fatal__: the package is supposed to be distributed |
| 11:37.48 | drp | can you write to a drive with an ntfs file system from debian |
| 11:37.49 | rking | kitty-Kun: really, what i'd do, is this: apt-get search gimp | sort > pkgs; vim pkgs (and remove all irrelevant lines, and all descriptions... so it's just one big list of packages i want), then: apt-get install `<pkgs` |
| 11:38.04 | fatal__ | Casanova: then you might want to sign it ... (ie. don't use -uc -us) |
| 11:38.06 | drp | it's an external drive that I have attached to my debian machine via usb 2.0 |
| 11:38.19 | berzerka | kitty-Kun: you want the search pattern functionality of aptitude. look in the documentation on how to use it. |
| 11:38.21 | kitty-Kun | So i can reference a file? |
| 11:38.28 | Casanova | fatal__: i have never created a package b4.. will the man page be fine? |
| 11:38.41 | fatal__ | Casanova: read the new maintainer guide instead... |
| 11:38.50 | Casanova | at ... ? |
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| 11:39.02 | Casanova | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 11:39.02 | Casanova | ? |
| 11:39.08 | eXistenZ | how can I grant permissions for a certain user in gnome |
| 11:39.12 | Phated | !new maint |
| 11:39.12 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 11:39.19 | Phated | Casanova: ^ |
| 11:39.55 | Slippy | Casanova: what are you going to package? |
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| 11:40.43 | Casanova | Slippy: ldtp -- > http://gnomebangalore.org/ldtp/index.php/Main_Page |
| 11:40.50 | berzerka | kitty-Kun: http://doc2.inf.elte.hu/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html |
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| 11:42.20 | ixion | PeterB, u still there? |
| 11:42.28 | drp | anyone anyone ... buehler |
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| 11:42.37 | berzerka | eXistenZ: could you rephrase/clarify your question? |
| 11:42.37 | PeterB | ixion: Maybe. |
| 11:42.49 | ixion | you say the 00's are wrong? 25 12 00 00 00 /root/scripts/./block119 |
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| 11:43.13 | PeterB | ixion: Yes. man 5 crontab and look for 'allowed values' |
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| 11:44.25 | eXistenZ | berzerka: well, for exmaple certain users can download install new packages and others cannot. so I don't know why I cannot download and install packages unless I log in as a root. |
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| 11:44.35 | PeterB | ixion: You want to run it every day at 12:25? |
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| 11:44.56 | ixion | yeah, the man says 0 is allowed, I have tried just 0 with same result |
| 11:45.12 | ixion | am I supposed to use * maybe? |
| 11:45.38 | PerfDave | ixion: 0 and * have very different meanings in a crontab. |
| 11:46.00 | ixion | @daily Run once a day, "0 0 * * *" | ok I think its supposed to be an asteriks |
| 11:46.23 | ixion | ok so that accepted it, 25 12 * * * - thats every day at 12:25 right? |
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| 11:47.11 | zap | hi. does anyone know how to delete a passphrase cached in gpg-agent? |
| 11:47.15 | ixion | whats the command to force a reload of crontab entries? |
| 11:47.29 | ixion | nm, ill restart it |
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| 11:47.39 | knt | hi all, while trying to modprobe pwc module it dumps "FATAL: Error inserting pwc (/lib/modules/.../pwc.ko): No such device" error. but i'm sure that file exists. any ideas? |
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| 11:47.52 | eka | hi all |
| 11:48.02 | berzerka | eXistenZ: it is normal that you can only install packages system-wide if you are root, and also supposed to be that way. |
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| 11:48.19 | PeterB | ixion: 0 isn't a valid value for the day of month and month fields. |
| 11:48.27 | eka | i have to set up a VPN on my debian server running kernel 2.4.9 what recommendation? |
| 11:48.29 | eXistenZ | I see |
| 11:48.40 | petemc | eka: an updated kernel |
| 11:48.43 | PerfDave | eka: 2.4.9? Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 11:48.54 | eka | stable |
| 11:48.57 | eka | woody |
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| 11:49.11 | PerfDave | eka: Woody is no longer stable. Sarge (3.1) is now stable. |
| 11:49.11 | eXistenZ | berzerka: now, if I want to add more languages in firefox for example, am I supposed to insert only the fonts? I ain't speaking about interfaces, simply to be able to see and write in these languages. |
| 11:49.15 | berzerka | eXistenZ: you can of course install a package in your home folder or maybe configure sudo in a way that allows normal users to install packages.. |
| 11:49.46 | eka | PerfDave: so i have to do apt-get update and upgrade and so on? and recompile for new kernel? |
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| 11:50.19 | berzerka | eXistenZ: you mean a specific charater set.. phew let me think how this is configured in X.. do you use gconf? |
| 11:50.38 | eXistenZ | I am not sure. |
| 11:50.49 | PerfDave | eka: No, no and no. Read the Debian 3.1 manual about upgrading from 3.0. And once you've done that, install a kernel-image package (preferably install grub first), don't compile a new one. |
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| 11:50.58 | blastman | hi |
| 11:51.10 | berzerka | well how do you configure anything on your system, resolution or whatever? |
| 11:51.18 | eka | PerfDave: where can i get the upgrading manul? |
| 11:51.21 | kekkeri | petemc: yeah it was there /usr/bin/ |
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| 11:51.26 | PerfDave | eka: http://www.debian.org/ of course :) |
| 11:51.35 | PerfDave | eka: It's in the 3.1 Installation Manual |
| 11:51.46 | eka | PerfDave: thx |
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| 11:57.44 | kneet | usb external hard disk. Plug in - modprobe usb_storage. Log files show module loaded (no udev/devfs etc). Can't see a partition on any of the /dev/sd? - what did I miss/where should I look? usb_storage, core, and the three USB hcd modules are loaded |
| 11:58.42 | nkuttler | kneet: dmesg? |
| 11:58.53 | Iconsumed | I want to access my gateway to configure it, but "route" gives no ip and the standard ip (192.168.1.1) doesn't work... what do I do now? |
| 11:59.19 | StijnT | anyone here using sid's snmpd ?? |
| 11:59.40 | kneet | nkuttler, shows "Initializing USB Mass Storage driver, registered new driver usb-storage, USB Mass Storage support registered" and no more |
| 11:59.41 | ixion | I've created a cronjob to execute a script @ a certain time, restarted cron and in the syslog file I can see the script being executed, but the script didnt do what its supposed to - how can I troublsheeot?? |
| 11:59.42 | jerome | kneet: do you have any scsi modules compiled ? |
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| 11:59.45 | ixion | err shoot |
| 11:59.54 | jerome | kneet: mod_sd or mod_sg ? |
| 12:00.01 | kneet | jerome, 'sec |
| 12:00.13 | PerfDave | Iconsumed: What do you mean, "the standard IP", and what do you mean, "doesn't work"? |
| 12:00.19 | ixion | manually running the script works fine |
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| 12:00.31 | jerome | kneet: mod_sd might be required to actually create the device |
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| 12:01.08 | kneet | sd_mod is in |
| 12:01.10 | Iconsumed | PerfDave, the manual says the standard ip is 192.168.1.1 and when I try it in a browser or telnet it doesn't give anything |
| 12:01.23 | kneet | sg_mod/mod_sg (it's sg_mod on a different box) says not found |
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| 12:01.36 | PerfDave | Iconsumed: Back up. Give us more information. How is your network laid out? |
| 12:01.50 | ixion | is this an "out of the box" router or something? |
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| 12:03.10 | Iconsumed | I'm not connecten via the router because it seams to block my traffic, so I can't connect, and it doesn't connect itself tho I configured it to |
| 12:03.24 | ixion | what router? |
| 12:03.31 | Iconsumed | I'm connected via a ZyXel Prestige 660 |
| 12:03.32 | ixion | dude, you cant presume we know what you are talking about |
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| 12:03.35 | berzerka | Iconsumed: ping -b 255.255.255.255 and look which ips respond.. |
| 12:03.39 | Iconsumed | D-Link router |
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| 12:03.53 | ixion | so you want your linux machine to connect to your router? |
| 12:03.56 | nkuttler | Iconsumed: do _you_ have an ip? did you run dhclient? |
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| 12:04.01 | ixion | and act as your firewall or such ? |
| 12:04.07 | PerfDave | Hang on guys, don't flood Iconsumed with questions. |
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| 12:04.40 | nkuttler | Iconsumed: i have the same router and am at arcor as well |
| 12:04.47 | ixion | ok try it this way, tell us what you want to acheive, and tell what you have done so far to try and acheive this goal :) |
| 12:04.54 | ixion | PerfDave, feel like helping me? :) |
| 12:05.30 | liable | hmm, my cdrom isnt being detected lately, (laptop) no errors, just no ide probe past ide0, controller or cdrom? I know its hard to say but, thoughts. |
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| 12:06.01 | PerfDave | ixion: Actually, I was about to go get some curry out of the fridge and call it breakfast ;) |
| 12:06.05 | jerome | kneet: well, try with MAKEDEV |
| 12:06.12 | tug | HOw do i set up my sound card? |
| 12:06.14 | nkuttler | kneet: :) |
| 12:06.15 | ixion | cool, maybe later then :) |
| 12:06.24 | nkuttler | tug: /msg dpkg audio, /msg dpkg faq |
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| 12:06.33 | Iconsumed | I want the gateway to do the PPPoE connection so I can use the win2k machine also via the router |
| 12:06.34 | kneet | nkuttler, jerome, I'll just check the bios :) |
| 12:06.47 | Iconsumed | No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 12:06.47 | Iconsumed | No working leases in persistent database. |
| 12:06.47 | Iconsumed | Sleeping. |
| 12:07.13 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: what email client do you prefer? |
| 12:07.16 | ixion | Iconsumed, can you please tell us what you are trying to do, and what you have done |
| 12:07.23 | ixion | Iconsumed, and how its connected |
| 12:07.25 | nkuttler | Iconsumed: how are you connected to the router? cable? what does your providers documentation say about configuration? |
| 12:07.36 | jerome | kneet: before you check the BIOS, check /proc/bus/usb/... |
| 12:07.42 | jerome | and dmesg |
| 12:07.43 | tech9iner | hello dMates.. ;] |
| 12:07.51 | tech9iner | so whom maintains dpkg Please |
| 12:07.53 | Iconsumed | I want both machines to have internet, one debian and one win2k (to be continued) |
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| 12:08.02 | nkuttler | tech9iner: apt-cache show dpkg |
| 12:08.19 | tech9iner | ? |
| 12:08.24 | liable | tech9iner: dondelecaro (the bot that is) |
| 12:08.24 | ixion | lol |
| 12:08.27 | Iconsumed | I can't get the router to connect via PPPoE even tho I configured it... |
| 12:08.31 | tech9iner | thanks.. |
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| 12:08.52 | Whisky_ | im just simply so confused :| |
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| 12:09.07 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: mutt |
| 12:09.10 | Iconsumed | I can only connect from the client in my computer when connected directly to the gateway (ZyXel Prestige 660) |
| 12:09.13 | tech9iner | dead end links on '/msg dpkg tell me about vmware' dondelelcaro For Your Info ;] |
| 12:09.14 | jerome | kneet: when you said "sd_mod is in" you meant, it's compiled in the kernel, or it's loaded ? (as a module I meant) |
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| 12:09.31 | ixion | arg french |
| 12:09.38 | jerome | et alors ? |
| 12:09.39 | billions | comment ca-va =D |
| 12:09.46 | nkuttler | Iconsumed: what is 1. the client 2. connected directly? |
| 12:09.48 | Whisky_ | tres fraid, tres fin, tres kutas :p |
| 12:09.48 | kneet | jerome, modprobed |
| 12:09.53 | Whisky_ | frais* |
| 12:10.00 | liable | tech9iner: you can change dpkg's factoids, he doesnt actually keep an eye on the database as much.. |
| 12:10.01 | Iconsumed | So I thought that if I let the gateway connect (which the internetdocumentation says it can) I can surf via the router with both computers |
| 12:10.07 | jerome | kneet: oki, after loading sd_mod, try dmesg | tail |
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| 12:10.24 | jerome | it should report the device creation, if the device was created of cours |
| 12:10.25 | jerome | e |
| 12:10.28 | billions | ls -a /yourmum 0/0 |
| 12:10.30 | ixion | tech9iner, you cant get vmware installed? |
| 12:10.40 | tech9iner | liable be glad to do my bit chum.. except im lost upon arrival and thus no trust of me talents.. lol |
| 12:11.06 | liable | tech9iner: heh, what links need changing? |
| 12:11.10 | jerome | Whisky_: is that a pure malt ad ? |
| 12:11.16 | Iconsumed | nkuttler, 1 I don't know the name, I just ran pppoeconf I think it's "pon" 2 with an ethernet cable |
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| 12:11.42 | Whisky_ | jerome: No, it means "Too cool, too fine, too elite" |
| 12:11.47 | Whisky_ | i had that as my msn nickname :p |
| 12:11.51 | tech9iner | ixion thanks for feedback guv.. havent tried just last 30 mins looking for info on vmware on sarge .. sadly need vmware to get this damn POS Lexmark x4270 AIO scanner/printer to work on a sarge lappy ;[ |
| 12:11.52 | Whisky_ | liable: Need some step by step instructions on linking my box with dad's winxp box for sharing DSL. a second ethernet card will be here any minute for linking the two systems. Don't know what's next :| |
| 12:12.05 | jerome | bier_, Whisky_ , these alcohol nicks are popular nowadays |
| 12:12.16 | Whisky_ | jerome: Everyone's copying me :p |
| 12:12.18 | petemc | Whisky_: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 12:12.22 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Insert card. Turn on computer. apt-get install ipmasq. As I told you several hours ago ;) |
| 12:12.28 | Whisky_ | petemc: I have that :) |
| 12:12.29 | liable | Whisky_: shorewall, or ipmasq |
| 12:12.29 | tech9iner | just posted it liable ;];].. dead end links on '/msg dpkg tell me about vmware' dondelelcaro For Your Info ;] |
| 12:12.37 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Installed. But im too scared to ask you again :s |
| 12:12.50 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Why scared? |
| 12:12.54 | tech9iner | oops.. extra *dondelelcar* ping unintended ;] |
| 12:13.02 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I don't want someone to be mad at me :S |
| 12:13.02 | ixion | tech9iner, whats wrong with vmware? |
| 12:13.08 | nkuttler | Iconsumed: why do you use pppoeconf? isn't the router supposed to handle the connection?? |
| 12:13.10 | tech9iner | ??? |
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| 12:13.25 | ixion | oh you were looking for info, soz |
| 12:13.29 | tech9iner | who said anything was wrong with vmware again?.. no i |
| 12:13.30 | Iconsumed | nkuttler, yes, but it doesn't |
| 12:13.32 | tech9iner | no/not |
| 12:13.36 | nkuttler | Iconsumed: why not? |
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| 12:13.54 | ixion | you have to have vmware to get a scanner working wtf |
| 12:13.59 | tech9iner | only thing i dont like bout vmware is its excuse rofl.. used to emulate windBLOWz lol |
| 12:14.08 | Iconsumed | nkuttler, I don't know, I entered the right user and pass and to use pppoe |
| 12:14.27 | liable | Whisky_: shorewall can do nat, and is pretty configurable, and fairly easy. |
| 12:14.36 | nkuttler | Iconsumed: what is your provider? |
| 12:14.44 | Whisky_ | ok :S |
| 12:14.47 | tech9iner | so any generous clarifying reference URL's to get me started towards vmware on sarge success Please chums? |
| 12:14.55 | tech9iner | btw |
| 12:14.56 | tech9iner | fwiw |
| 12:15.05 | ixion | Whisky_, you could use quicktables and iptables |
| 12:15.06 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Why would I be mad at you? :) |
| 12:15.06 | ixion | for NAT |
| 12:15.07 | Whisky_ | Someone once recommended Guidedog, i have that too. |
| 12:15.19 | liable | Whisky_: http://www.shorewall.net/1.3/ |
| 12:15.21 | ixion | altho I have no idea what you want though |
| 12:15.29 | ixion | so im probably talking crap |
| 12:15.29 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Mostly people hate college kids asking for help again and again :[ |
| 12:15.31 | tech9iner | my 3 yrs on linux are 99% rpm experienced .. so this whole apt/deb packaging bit fresh n new.. handle with care Please rofl |
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| 12:15.52 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You seem to be pretty clueful and willing to learn, I don't get mad at people like that. |
| 12:15.52 | ixion | rpm bleh |
| 12:16.00 | Iconsumed | nkuttler, eurobell |
| 12:16.01 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Thanks :D |
| 12:16.03 | ixion | PerfDave, eat your curry |
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| 12:16.06 | PerfDave | tech9iner: Ask vmware support? :) |
| 12:16.08 | littlefae | Hello there. |
| 12:16.19 | littlefae | How do I disable tap-to-click, using the CLI? |
| 12:16.27 | ixion | tech9iner, its easy to get it running |
| 12:16.33 | tech9iner | funny.. too funny |
| 12:16.45 | ixion | tech9iner, download it from vmware, the tar.gw that is, extract it, and run the configuration script |
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| 12:16.47 | tech9iner | t h a n k y o u ixion ;] |
| 12:16.53 | ixion | tar.gz |
| 12:16.58 | Iconsumed | nkuttler, I ran the wizard in the router, and the only thing I didn't enter was a PPPoE service name which it said was optional |
| 12:17.15 | ixion | I have vmware running on a few sarge boxen |
| 12:17.28 | tech9iner | appreciate it ixion .. u covered my biggest question.. me ignorance assumed i'd need a special 'debian' pckg ;] |
| 12:17.35 | kneet | nkuttler, jerome, bios enable it, then after start - loaded usb_storage, sd_mod and scsi_mod (not sure if the last is needed - my other box has it) and it found /dev/sda |
| 12:17.49 | ixion | there might be a dpkg, you want me to check? |
| 12:17.51 | jerome | great |
| 12:18.05 | tech9iner | pretty heavy step to use just to use this pos lexmark eh ixion rofl |
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| 12:18.34 | ixion | erm, get the tar and do it that way |
| 12:18.34 | kneet | jerome, wish I'd remembered about the BIOS first :) Now I can tar off anything that remains after the power cut/partition table destruction of last night before a reinstall |
| 12:18.35 | jerome | kneet: consider using udev+hotplug in the future, that's pretty neat now. |
| 12:18.51 | tech9iner | ixion id appreciate it.. but lets practice principle of teach versus give a fish ;];].. and show me how to search meself next time if you have time chum.. and thanks agian ixion ;] |
| 12:18.57 | littlefae | No idea? Kk, never mind |
| 12:19.05 | kneet | jerome, use them on my laptop all the time (and that "just worked" with the drive. This is a web server that has less need for these things |
| 12:19.19 | ixion | eh |
| 12:19.20 | nkuttler | Iconsumed: did you do what's in http://www.eurobell.se/zyxel.htm |
| 12:19.31 | jerome | kneet: oki then :) |
| 12:19.31 | ixion | oh, I just search for a package thats all :p |
| 12:19.40 | ixion | they look a bit weird, so fook it |
| 12:19.47 | Whisky_ | Shorewall installed. No further questions asked until i have the second card. I'll take a break for a while, thanks. |
| 12:19.50 | tech9iner | ixion on synaptic then ixion ? |
| 12:19.57 | tech9iner | fook? |
| 12:20.07 | tech9iner | new 1 one me |
| 12:20.19 | ixion | nope, not on synaptic, google |
| 12:20.19 | tech9iner | one *on* me heh |
| 12:20.20 | Iconsumed | nkuttler I had a telephone conversation with eurobell and they didn't know, so I didn't look at theirhomepage, but I'll check it out |
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| 12:20.24 | kneet | jerome, just wish I didn't have the reinstall to do. Thankfully I have some partitions (/etc) and all user data is on the tapes here |
| 12:20.38 | ixion | you'd have to have the source edited in before you could synaptic |
| 12:20.46 | ixion | something like vmware wouldnt exist in the standard sources |
| 12:20.46 | Iconsumed | nkuttler, yes I did it |
| 12:20.48 | liable | Whisky_: no is a good chance to read some docs on shorewall and NAT, you may also want to look at ifrename.. |
| 12:20.56 | tech9iner | aha.. thanx again.. next born named after you chap ;] |
| 12:20.59 | liable | Whisky_: s/no/now |
| 12:21.02 | Iconsumed | nkuttler, the ip 192.168.1.1 doesn't respond |
| 12:21.35 | Iconsumed | and there is something wrong when I run dhclient |
| 12:21.36 | tech9iner | ixion similar to folks building rpm's for other distros then eh.. |
| 12:21.41 | liable | Iconsumed: um is your interface up? |
| 12:21.46 | nkuttler | Iconsumed: you have a cable plugged in? |
| 12:21.52 | ixion | no, for debian, not other distros |
| 12:22.04 | ixion | anyway, go download vmware |
| 12:22.14 | ixion | gsx server is what you are looking for I beleive |
| 12:22.24 | Iconsumed | nkuttler, well I am chatting thru the very same gateway |
| 12:22.27 | tech9iner | ixion you missed my 'similar' [in principle in other words ;] |
| 12:22.34 | Iconsumed | liable, how do I check? |
| 12:22.53 | ixion | well it would be similar to folks buiding rpm's for the same distro then :p |
| 12:23.07 | liable | Iconsumed: you are on the net with the router now? ifconfig. |
| 12:23.25 | ixion | I've created a cronjob to execute a script @ a certain time, restarted cron and in the syslog file I can see the script being executed, but the script didnt do what its supposed to - any ideas? executing the script manually works fine |
| 12:23.30 | Iconsumed | liable, without the router... with only gateway |
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| 12:24.04 | liable | Iconsumed: can you plug the win box into the router and try from there. |
| 12:24.09 | Iconsumed | liable, well it shows eth0 |
| 12:24.32 | Iconsumed | liable, it is plugged in, but what to try? |
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| 12:24.45 | liable | Iconsumed: the routers admin address |
| 12:24.57 | ixion | ping it |
| 12:25.20 | Iconsumed | liable, oh yes, but I want the adress of the gateway not the router |
| 12:25.27 | ixion | :S |
| 12:25.45 | Iconsumed | liable, I have already configured the router, but it doesn't connect anyway |
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| 12:25.57 | liable | Iconsumed: ok, what is it that you are calling the gateway? |
| 12:26.30 | Iconsumed | liable, the ZeXel Prestige 660, which is connected to the phoneline |
| 12:26.42 | Iconsumed | liable, ZyXel even |
| 12:26.43 | ixion | then whats teh router |
| 12:26.45 | liable | Iconsumed: thats a modem? |
| 12:26.57 | nkuttler | liable: dsl modem |
| 12:26.59 | eXistenZ | what is the package for the java runtime environment |
| 12:27.08 | ixion | !java |
| 12:27.08 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 12:27.09 | kaharas | hi all... i'm trying to install planeshift, a mmorpg game based on opengl32 api... but it return to me those errors: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cKTrhN88.html .. someone can help me to set in a proper way my opengl library and XF86Config file to make him work? |
| 12:27.09 | Iconsumed | liable, yes |
| 12:27.26 | ixion | there ask him about install java |
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| 12:27.37 | liable | Iconsumed: ok, so the router has a setup to run pppoe? |
| 12:27.39 | Iconsumed | the router is a dlink something that splits the line |
| 12:27.44 | Iconsumed | yes |
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| 12:28.00 | matthew | by chance, does anyone here speak korean? |
| 12:28.08 | Iconsumed | liable, and the gateway/modem ALSO has one |
| 12:28.24 | ixion | man im confused |
| 12:28.31 | ixion | I hope u're following liable |
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| 12:28.45 | Iconsumed | hum... |
| 12:28.50 | PerfDave | !java |
| 12:28.50 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive, consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). |
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| 12:29.12 | nkuttler | of course the easiest thing for him would be to fix the zyxel and let it run dhcpd |
| 12:29.29 | Iconsumed | I have a modem, but with only one LAN connection for ethernet, so I also have a router to split the line so 2 comps can use internet |
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| 12:29.43 | ixion | ever heard of a switch |
| 12:29.47 | ixion | hub |
| 12:29.49 | ixion | bridge |
| 12:29.54 | sciboy | Hi guys, i am looking to help some guys with learning HTML (XHTML and CSS), wondering what collaborative tools you could recommend. |
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| 12:29.59 | Iconsumed | ixion, yes |
| 12:30.01 | s0n1 | hi |
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| 12:30.15 | tech9iner | rofl.. no wonder you're so generous ixion rof... you are member of same club! ;].. confused ;] |
| 12:30.15 | s0n1 | exist boot debian with suport RAID 1 ??? |
| 12:30.23 | liable | Iconsumed: so your running pppoe through the modem? |
| 12:30.27 | pureone | !repeat |
| 12:30.27 | dpkg | it has been said that repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 12:30.32 | sciboy | Gobby would be nice if the dependencies weren't broken. |
| 12:30.45 | PerfDave | s0n1: Collaborative tools? I just learned by reading the specs and using http://validator.w3.org/ :) |
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| 12:31.06 | fatal__ | liable: the modem probably sets up the pppoe connection for him and does NAT. |
| 12:31.17 | sciboy | PerfDave: These guys are completely new and they got taught by a school teachers, needless to say, they are worse than when they started =/ |
| 12:31.31 | nkuttler | the zyxel has a built-in dsl modem... do you have _another_ one? |
| 12:31.34 | Iconsumed | liable, Iam running pppoe through the modem, but it is not tho modem that connects, it is "pon" as I ran pppoeconf on the debian machine |
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| 12:31.38 | fatal__ | liable: AFAIK zyxel ships their products default configured like that, but it can also be told to go into bridge mode. |
| 12:31.41 | liable | fatal__: yeah, i'm not exactly sure what is going on, I thought he said he did ppoeconfig.. |
| 12:31.54 | sciboy | PerfDave: I'm use to teaching independence with computers in person, but if i'm going to do it online, i'm going to need some tools. |
| 12:32.01 | Iconsumed | nkuttler, only one modem |
| 12:32.09 | nkuttler | Iconsumed: only the zyxel? |
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| 12:32.25 | PerfDave | sciboy: Send them to w3.org and to http://www.webmonkey.com/ ? |
| 12:32.30 | s0n1 | PerfDave : exist ou don't? |
| 12:32.45 | Iconsumed | nkuttler, only the zyxel |
| 12:32.58 | sciboy | PerfDave: They are going to need more than tutorials if i'm going to get them coding within this year. |
| 12:33.13 | PerfDave | sciboy: Yes, they'll need a text editor ;) |
| 12:33.19 | Iconsumed | either the zyxel should go into bridgemode so the router can connect or it should connect itself |
| 12:33.29 | sciboy | PerfDave: Any idea how i could fix the dependencies with gobby? |
| 12:34.00 | liable | Iconsumed: and the router wont run pppoe? |
| 12:34.20 | liable | s0n1: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 12:34.46 | PerfDave | sciboy: I have no idea what gobby is. |
| 12:35.00 | Iconsumed | liable, I think it tries to run pppoe but that the modem isn't in bridgemode |
| 12:35.00 | ixion | that thing in lord of the ring aint it |
| 12:35.25 | sciboy | PerfDave: Collaborative text editor, its in the official repository, but dependencies are broken all over the place and some are impossible for me to find. |
| 12:35.53 | Iconsumed | liable, anyway it doesn't work |
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| 12:36.31 | goccia | sciboy: bluefish ? |
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| 12:36.38 | liable | Iconsumed: stick another card in your box and run it as router :) |
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| 12:37.18 | sciboy | goccia: I'm not looking for an IDE, i'm just looking for something that'll allow me to work in real-time with these guys code. |
| 12:37.20 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 12:37.26 | Iconsumed | liable, which gives the problem of my computer always having to be on, and the cost of a new card... |
| 12:37.38 | sciboy | goccia: Gobby seems perfect for the job, but dependencies are majorly broken. |
| 12:37.47 | Iconsumed | liable, I mean I have the right stuff, why won't it work!? |
| 12:37.53 | ixion | I still dont get whats hes trying to do? he has <dsl "modem"> -> <router> -> 2XEthernet -> 2XComputers ? |
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| 12:38.32 | liable | Iconsumed: dunno, I dont know the hardware or what it can do, up to you to try and work out why the router wont run the connection, can only suggest mucking with the settings.. |
| 12:38.53 | Iconsumed | ixion, that is what I want to have, right now it is <modem> --> <debian-box> |
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| 12:39.20 | ixion | ok, so what is the purpose of the second router? |
| 12:39.26 | Iconsumed | liable, I can't access the settings |
| 12:39.45 | ixion | by saying second router, I am referring to the dsl modem as a router |
| 12:39.45 | Iconsumed | ixion, my modem can only connect to 1 computer |
| 12:40.03 | ixion | I see, and you dont have a switch/hub ? |
| 12:40.08 | tug | what's the usbled module do? |
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| 12:40.33 | ixion | oh hangon, that dsl modem, is that designed to plug directly into a computer? |
| 12:40.42 | Iconsumed | ixion, well no |
| 12:40.48 | ixion | USB or Ethernet? |
| 12:40.58 | liable | Iconsumed: reset it, plug in, run ifconfig eth0 up dhcp, then access the thing with a browser.. |
| 12:41.01 | Iconsumed | ixion, ethernet |
| 12:41.16 | tech9iner | ruh roh.. gotta buy a dell now that me future wife, Sheryl, is hawking them lol |
| 12:41.24 | liable | Iconsumed: read the manual :) |
| 12:41.31 | Iconsumed | liable, I have |
| 12:41.43 | Iconsumed | liable, it says 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:41.44 | ixion | so is this router designed to plug into a DSL modem and "route" ? |
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| 12:42.14 | liable | Iconsumed: does it give dhcp out by default? |
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| 12:42.37 | Iconsumed | ixion, yes, and it worked where I lived before, with 3 computers |
| 12:42.37 | ixion | if its a router, its not going to broadcast the dhcp requests across |
| 12:42.41 | AjLavJo | can i connect to a wireless network with a bloodhound? |
| 12:42.44 | tech9iner | btw dMates.. |
| 12:42.53 | faber2 | whats a good program to keep two directories (remote / local) in perfect sync? fiddling with rsync does not give me what I want (especially if people start deleting files...) |
| 12:43.10 | ixion | then you have done something wrong with rsync |
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| 12:43.17 | ixion | I suspect... :) |
| 12:43.18 | Iconsumed | liable, I don't know what dhcp out means, but I think I have a problem with it |
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| 12:43.29 | Iconsumed | No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 12:43.29 | Iconsumed | No working leases in persistent database. |
| 12:43.29 | Iconsumed | Sleeping. |
| 12:43.41 | liable | Iconsumed: can you paste your interfaces file somewhere? |
| 12:43.48 | nkuttler | faber2: cvs? unison? |
| 12:43.53 | ixion | #spam |
| 12:44.01 | faber2 | ixion: well, rsync assumes that one of the directory is the "master" and the other is the "slave". what i want is two people working in the "same" dir. |
| 12:44.15 | tech9iner | is there a great 'how to get started computing with debian on board' ;] URL perchance Please .. this lappy belongs to redneck pal that knows squat bout puting, much less debian.. if anyone would know of such a beast.. it'd be someone here.. ;] |
| 12:44.16 | tech9iner | thanks |
| 12:44.20 | goccia | Iconsumed: so what : i'm connected to one modem and i'm using debian as router/firewall/coffemachine : i have two cards but i'm sure aliasing the eth0 i could connect to the swithc as well : am i wrong ? |
| 12:44.30 | faber2 | nkuttler: i need something which runs as a cronjob. cvs wont do. whats unison? |
| 12:44.40 | ixion | tech9iner: http://www.tulrich.com/geekstuff/debian_tricks.html |
| 12:45.23 | tech9iner | ixion thanks ;];];].. damn you are good mate ;] gotta turn in a requisition for your next raise huh ;] |
| 12:45.31 | ixion | I've created a cronjob to execute a script @ a certain time, restarted cron and in the syslog file I can see the script being executed, but the script didnt do what its supposed to - any ideas? executing the script manually works fine |
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| 12:45.42 | Iconsumed | goccia, I don't know what you mean |
| 12:45.43 | ixion | eek |
| 12:46.09 | goccia | Iconsumed: you said ypou do not want to get a second card ? |
| 12:46.36 | Iconsumed | goccia, right, I want the stuff I have to work |
| 12:46.38 | nkuttler | ixion: add debugging info to your script. $PATH is probably different |
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| 12:47.10 | liable | Iconsumed: in the cocumentation for the router, doe sit say it does dhcp? |
| 12:47.26 | liable | hehe, documentation... |
| 12:47.38 | ixion | nkuttler, sorry u lost me, how do I add debuggin... its a simple iptables block port / allow port |
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| 12:48.02 | chenz | how do i find out with which gcc version a kernel was compiled? |
| 12:48.08 | ixion | gcc --version ? |
| 12:48.16 | ixion | er |
| 12:48.17 | ixion | nm |
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| 12:48.26 | nkuttler | ixion: iptables -v? set -x? |
| 12:48.40 | Iconsumed | liable, hum... no |
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| 12:48.52 | PeterB | chenz: cat /proc/version works for me. |
| 12:48.56 | liable | Iconsumed: ok, whats the default ip? |
| 12:49.03 | tech9iner | oh and while im 'gettin lucky' ;].. anyone gotta good portal or ?? URL for spanish/latino linux/debian maybe?.. same redneck peer is latino.. ;].. |
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| 12:49.08 | liable | Iconsumed: for the router |
| 12:49.18 | tech9iner | i bet there's a spanish debian irc maybe? |
| 12:49.26 | nkuttler | !es |
| 12:49.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:49.27 | chenz | PeterB: thanks |
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| 12:49.41 | ixion | nkuttler, Im still confused, executing the script manually it works fine, its only from the cronjob that it fails. if I add debugging to my script, where is it going to debug when executed from a cronjob? |
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| 12:49.42 | Iconsumed | liable, 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:50.06 | nkuttler | ixion: i think the default is to mail it to the owner of the cronjob |
| 12:50.17 | tech9iner | nkuttler thanks chum ;] |
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| 12:51.42 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 12:52.12 | chenz | hmm, now why would i get "Invalid module format" on loading a lkm (fuse) when i built it with the same version as the kernel (gcc-3.3)? |
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| 12:52.44 | gypsymauro | I need to build a script that launch an application only if another process bind a port..if not wait until the other starts..how can I loop until a port is binded (in bash)? |
| 12:52.48 | snail | chenz: same kernel version and same compiler version? |
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| 12:53.36 | ixion | what do you add to the top crontab to specify the mailto? |
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| 12:53.43 | chenz | snail: fuse is from fuse-source and kernel is 2.6.12.2 built w/ make-kpgp... |
| 12:53.44 | ixion | I know its mailto, but I forget the syntax |
| 12:53.50 | kitty-kun | hi |
| 12:53.54 | kitty-kun | back again |
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| 12:54.01 | rumpl | hi kitty-kun |
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| 12:54.16 | sciboy | kitty-kun: tug is the same username a friend of mine has. |
| 12:54.31 | sciboy | kitty-kun: Gave me a little bit of a shock there. XD |
| 12:54.41 | kitty-kun | Right... |
| 12:55.01 | chenz | snail: /proc/version says gcc-3.3.6 and i did "CC=gcc-3.3 ./configure ..." to build fuse |
| 12:55.04 | kitty-kun | I have a question |
| 12:55.13 | kitty-kun | about the boot process |
| 12:55.23 | ixion | looks like a statement to me |
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| 12:55.39 | Anthro | gypsymauro: You would have to poll. I'd use netstat or lsof to check for the bound port. |
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| 12:55.59 | kitty-kun | How do i stop all the things I don't need from starting up at boot? I mean, I don't think I need appletalk >.> |
| 12:56.02 | sciboy | Okey, as a temporary solution, MoonEdit will have to do. |
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| 12:56.22 | nkuttler | kitty-kun: remove it, man update-rc.d, install rcconf |
| 12:56.23 | Anthro | kitty-kun: If you don't need it, remove it. |
| 12:56.39 | kitty-kun | ok |
| 12:56.47 | rumpl | kitty-kun, /etc/init.d/ there you have all the scripts |
| 12:57.13 | kitty-kun | Ok, thank you |
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| 12:59.25 | liable | kitty-kun: or install sysvconfig |
| 12:59.26 | DoppelGanger | oh god |
| 12:59.52 | Anthro | liable: I prefer sysv-rc-conf, personally |
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| 13:00.04 | DoppelGanger | kitty-kun: i see you made it through the install |
| 13:00.07 | liable | ok, whatever floats you boat :) |
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| 13:00.14 | kitty-kun | Yeah |
| 13:00.19 | kitty-kun | i finished the install last night |
| 13:00.21 | pureone | i prefer rcconf myself |
| 13:00.26 | kitty-kun | now If i could just get the sound to work |
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| 13:01.24 | nkuttler | kitty-kun: /msg dpkg sound, /msg dpkg faq |
| 13:01.32 | nkuttler | kitty-kun: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 13:01.45 | liable | dont forget alsa :P |
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| 13:02.07 | rumpl | kitty-kun, so you are not a amarok developer , just that your sound doesn't work and you thought that if you install the latest version everything would be ok, hehe |
| 13:02.13 | nkuttler | uh, that audio factoid is a little outdated |
| 13:02.14 | warhead | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.40 | liable | warhead: um, /msg nickserv help :P |
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| 13:02.49 | DoppelGanger | he he rumpl trust me that makes sense if you were here yesterday when he was in here |
| 13:02.54 | warhead | liable: AHaah tnx. |
| 13:03.02 | warhead | liable: Copy/Paste ..... |
| 13:03.12 | nkuttler | !sound is also For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 13:03.12 | dpkg | okay, nkuttler |
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| 13:03.30 | nkuttler | !audio is also For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 13:03.30 | dpkg | that's too long, nkuttler |
| 13:03.58 | warhead | Nice |
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| 13:04.25 | warhead | Ok, I need package dh_help, please...I seek on google.com hm.... |
| 13:04.30 | warhead | any help... |
| 13:05.14 | liable | !info dh_help |
| 13:05.16 | umbop | has anyone here ever had a data recover company recover data from a harddrive? as i've got a load of files such as 0CHH328A for example, which contain the data, and if i look it's ascii characters, as a directory / files, but i'm unsure what i'm suppose to do with it |
| 13:05.25 | rumpl | DoppelGanger, I was here... made me lough |
| 13:05.28 | warhead | !info dh_help |
| 13:05.34 | DoppelGanger | :) |
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| 13:05.44 | warhead | liable: [dpkg] Package 'dh_help' does not exist. |
| 13:05.58 | liable | warhead: apparently yes.. |
| 13:06.11 | nkuttler | umbop: hm, you paid them, they should have told you |
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| 13:06.23 | nkuttler | umbop: run file on them |
| 13:06.30 | colde89 | where cold i find info to backup-manager? |
| 13:06.47 | DoppelGanger | warhead: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/05/msg03131.html |
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| 13:07.03 | nkuttler | colde89: /usr/share/doc/backup-manager ? |
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| 13:07.13 | DoppelGanger | look 2nd link on goodle |
| 13:07.19 | jairo | es debian en español? |
| 13:07.21 | DoppelGanger | unless you click the first and then re |
| 13:07.28 | DoppelGanger | !es |
| 13:07.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:07.29 | nkuttler | !tell jairo about es |
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| 13:07.35 | karthick | hi |
| 13:07.38 | jairo | gracias |
| 13:07.45 | warhead | but when I try to make packages for clip (itk.ru) I have error ... make[1]: dh_dhelp: Command not found |
| 13:08.01 | karthick | i am tryin to download deb dvd which is 4.4g |
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| 13:08.05 | karthick | via ftp |
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| 13:08.27 | karthick | but in my download manager it shows only 386mb |
| 13:08.31 | warhead | ok ok, I'm in work I seek dh_dhelp not dh_help |
| 13:08.39 | warhead | ok ok, I'm in wrong I seek dh_dhelp not dh_help |
| 13:08.53 | nkuttler | warhead: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:08.55 | karthick | what seems to be the problem |
| 13:08.57 | blahdeblah | Hi all - i have a private apt repository (accessed via http), and whenever i do an apt-get update && apt-get install from it, i seem to get old data. Is there a way i can use .htaccess to give me better latency when i update the repository? |
| 13:08.59 | liable | karthick: use jigdo |
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| 13:09.15 | karthick | but speed via that is slow |
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| 13:09.26 | ulitz | does the command /usr/bin/mtd & in rc.local allow the bootup to continue.. like will it freeze? |
| 13:09.47 | karthick | liable |
| 13:09.53 | karthick | ? |
| 13:09.56 | umbop | comes back as http://sial.org/pbot/12170 |
| 13:09.59 | umbop | if i do a file |
| 13:10.01 | bodq | was there any incompatible ABI changes between GCC 3.3 and 4.0 ? |
| 13:10.08 | rumpl | karthick, why do you need the wholw dvd, download a cd |
| 13:10.17 | liable | karthick: pick another mirror.. |
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| 13:10.22 | karthick | it's 14 cd's |
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| 13:10.39 | karthick | all mirrors are the same i think only checked 8 |
| 13:10.54 | liable | karthick: do you really need the whole lot? |
| 13:11.02 | karthick | yeah |
| 13:11.05 | rumpl | karthick, nope, i have a 1 cd install |
| 13:11.06 | nkuttler | umbop: so... you can run strings on those 'data' files... do you miss much data? |
| 13:11.18 | karthick | no |
| 13:11.19 | umbop | well i'm not sure how i'm suppose to use each file |
| 13:11.22 | umbop | each file contains the data |
| 13:11.26 | nkuttler | umbop: is the gif really a fig |
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| 13:11.30 | nkuttler | gif even |
| 13:11.35 | karthick | mine does not support network |
| 13:11.38 | DoppelGanger | fom what i am seeind dh_dhelp is also in dhelp |
| 13:11.39 | colde89 | nkutter: yes there is somthing but not mutch. is ther no docu else? |
| 13:11.55 | nkuttler | colde89: google? |
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| 13:12.06 | karthick | well thx anyway |
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| 13:12.18 | colde89 | nkutter: have not find somthing usefull |
| 13:12.39 | colde89 | nkutter: will try again .. |
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| 13:12.58 | blahdeblah | What does "mode (+l 810 ) by debhelper" mean? |
| 13:13.28 | umbop | hmm well the file is full of ±ÂlBÉ·FÃyÂU^G¡î^Wj»ÃZÍjWÃÂîV·ÂÃÃ6Ã(^¿Âá1ðX |
| 13:13.30 | chaps0063 | how do I configure my wireless to pass credentials to authenticate against a wireless network that has PEAP enabled? |
| 13:13.32 | timo | blahdeblah, limits the number of people on the channel to 810 |
| 13:13.36 | umbop | random ascii characters |
| 13:13.41 | blahdeblah | timo: Thanks |
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| 13:13.51 | liable | blahdeblah: its a throttling thing debhelper does, so if a mass join happens, it stops joins. |
| 13:13.52 | umbop | it's basically rescued data from a disk, so i'm not sure whta format it is in :-S |
| 13:14.18 | blahdeblah | timo/liable: I was afraid i'd done something stupid like made my question above too long... :-) |
| 13:14.33 | liable | haha :) |
| 13:14.49 | blahdeblah | So any ideas on how i can get my apt-repository to respond more quickly? |
| 13:15.23 | bodq | blahdeblah: switch to http? |
| 13:15.30 | blahdeblah | bodq: I'm using http |
| 13:15.40 | liable | blahdeblah: apt-spy.. |
| 13:15.47 | bodq | blahdeblah: oh |
| 13:15.48 | blahdeblah | liable: what does that do? |
| 13:16.05 | liable | blahdeblah: ask apt-cache |
| 13:16.20 | blahdeblah | Just did - it's not what i want. |
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| 13:16.40 | bodq | blahdeblah: can you explain what is "old data"? |
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| 13:16.59 | blahdeblah | I have my own apt repository connected via 100 Mbps LAN. Whenever i update it via rsync from my development machines, my client machines seem to lag in getting the latest release file. |
| 13:17.24 | Guerin | blahdeblah: do it on cron in the middle of the night |
| 13:17.29 | kneet | Am recovering data from a PC prior to scratch reinstall. I've got the user data on backup tape, and a tar of etc, home, repository and web. I've stored the dpkg --get-selections - anything else people would recommend dumping to the backup disk? |
| 13:17.33 | bodq | blahdeblah: like, are you using any http cache? |
| 13:17.44 | blahdeblah | Guerin: but i want to update the machines *now* :-) |
| 13:17.58 | blahdeblah | bodq: Though that might be it, so i turned it off. Made no difference. |
| 13:18.18 | Rawplayer | hi how can i run something in realtime in PS1 prompt |
| 13:18.28 | bodq | blahdeblah: I don't get it. the data on the drive is correct, but your clients get something older? |
| 13:18.36 | blahdeblah | bodq: Yep |
| 13:18.49 | bodq | blahdeblah: or do you want to update Release file before all other files? |
| 13:18.55 | blahdeblah | kneet: Sounds like you've got it mostly covered. |
| 13:19.13 | blahdeblah | bodq: I don't care - i just want to be able to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade immediately |
| 13:19.21 | chrisj_ | how is it possible to get gcc3.x working in sid? mine won't compile c++ stuff :/ |
| 13:19.23 | Guerin | kneet: anything in /var or /usr/local? |
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| 13:19.40 | Guerin | !mhallsmite paster |
| 13:19.40 | Rawplayer | pasha: DIE |
| 13:19.42 | dpkg | Fuck paster. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
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| 13:19.48 | Whisky_ | ok the card's here |
| 13:19.51 | Guerin | !mhallsmite salahuddin66 |
| 13:19.52 | dpkg | Fuck salahuddin66. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 13:19.53 | Whisky_ | im gonna shutdown and put it in |
| 13:19.55 | Rawplayer | !ops someone is buggin us |
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| 13:19.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: someone is buggin us |
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| 13:20.38 | Guerin | LoRez: aye |
| 13:20.41 | goccia | where's badgers today ? |
| 13:20.43 | LoRez | Rawplayer: someone? give me a break.... don't be so damn lazy next time. |
| 13:20.53 | nkuttler | goccia: use dpkg |
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| 13:21.09 | kneet | Guerin - I've got mailmans /var/lib, /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/java - can't think of anythiing else. I guess I'm happy I've got my app data - more interested in the debian bits - if I have the same sources list and same selections list I should be able to get back to the same state (then copy config in from the /etc backup)? |
| 13:21.33 | Guerin | kneet: sounds likt you have the situation in hand |
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| 13:21.55 | Guerin | salahuddin66: please to fuck off and die |
| 13:22.11 | kitty-kun | O_o |
| 13:22.23 | kitty-kun | Jesus |
| 13:22.31 | Guerin | don't bring jesus into this |
| 13:22.33 | jetx | what is the reinstall factoid? |
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| 13:22.41 | liable | loljesus |
| 13:22.42 | nkuttler | jetx: reinstall what? |
| 13:22.55 | nkuttler | jetx: /msg dpkg listvals reinstall? |
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| 13:23.04 | jetx | i mean is that what kneet was asking or did he just find out.. yeah that |
| 13:23.06 | aroman | hi |
| 13:23.09 | jetx | i think |
| 13:23.19 | Guerin | jetx: nope |
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| 13:23.35 | Guerin | bizarrely as it may seem, he appears to know what he's doing |
| 13:23.55 | aroman | I have a kernel module compiled with module-assistant (FUSE). When I upgrade the kernel through apt-get (dist-)upgrade, will that kernel module be built automatically? |
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| 13:23.57 | jetx | calender |
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| 13:24.02 | blahdeblah | bodq: ping - am i barking up the wrong tree? Perhaps i have something wrong with my overrides file or something like that? |
| 13:24.04 | Guerin | calendar |
| 13:24.07 | jetx | it's not sunday? |
| 13:24.14 | jetx | omg |
| 13:24.15 | kneet | jetx, no - it's not sunday |
| 13:24.25 | Guerin | kneet: did you sploffle the whatsits? |
| 13:24.38 | kneet | Guerin, auto-fnarg does that for me |
| 13:24.41 | goccia | kneet: i think you should have /var/log as well just in case you need to do a check |
| 13:25.05 | Guerin | kneet: ah. i bet it groobs the schamozzle vectors as well |
| 13:25.18 | bodq | blahdeblah: that is possible. i don't think you have any problems with repository access... |
| 13:25.21 | jetx | frond |
| 13:26.20 | kneet | All this from a powercut that blatted the partition table of an lvm2 partition - lvmcreate recovery got most of it back - but not /usr (some fs errors). Don't feel secure enough just to replace the broken binaries - so will repartition the box and start from scratch with the net installer |
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| 13:27.40 | blahdeblah | bodq: Is the correct arch for non-architecture-specific packages "all" or "any"? |
| 13:27.55 | Guerin | blahdeblah: all |
| 13:28.07 | Guerin | there's no 'any' arch, afaik |
| 13:28.46 | blahdeblah | Guerin: it seems to work when i build using that, but it creates an arch-specific package. |
| 13:28.52 | chaps0063 | has anyone gotten peap to work? |
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| 13:29.31 | kneet | Close one - nearly forgot /var/lib/mysql |
| 13:29.37 | Guerin | chaps0063: no, it exists purely for the amusement of its creators, who delight in watching people fail to use their software |
| 13:29.40 | liable | !fuck salahuddin66 |
| 13:29.40 | drac | salahuddin66: Don't do that. |
| 13:29.44 | Guerin | kneet: see, /var IS important! |
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| 13:29.50 | Guerin | !ops salahuddin66 again |
| 13:29.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: salahuddin66 again |
| 13:29.52 | chaps0063 | Guerin: i see... |
| 13:30.09 | kneet | Guerin, some of /var is damaged - I don't want to take too much |
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| 13:30.15 | kneet | Guerin, being very careful here |
| 13:30.17 | Guerin | kneet: fair enough |
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| 13:30.35 | Guerin | !beer abrotman |
| 13:30.39 | chaps0063 | Guerin: this sucks then, looks like I can't connect to wifi at work. |
| 13:30.41 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 13:30.44 | abrotman | !wine Guerin |
| 13:30.52 | Rawplayer | LoRez: sorry i'am lazy :) |
| 13:31.08 | abrotman | not too lazy to put an extra apostrophe instead of a space |
| 13:31.29 | abrotman | Guerin: slacker |
| 13:31.32 | Guerin | abrotman: i know |
| 13:31.43 | Guerin | gone are the times when they were five a week |
| 13:31.51 | asg | asg in |
| 13:32.15 | abrotman | tag team! |
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| 13:32.23 | abrotman | don't tell mrs. asg |
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| 13:36.32 | huhcool | hey guys i'm having trouble with FCEU. both the video and CPU work perfectly but the sound is coming out all warbled, distorted, and basically sounds bad. My other emulators (ie VICE, scummvm, etc) have great sound. Any way to fix fceu? Any EMU's with better sound out there? |
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| 13:37.49 | liable | !test |
| 13:37.50 | dpkg | Sorry, liable, I didn't get your test. |
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| 13:39.08 | maja | !bluetooth |
| 13:39.08 | dpkg | somebody said bluetooth was , like, a wireless communications protocol |
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| 13:40.15 | huhcool | bluetooth |
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| 13:40.22 | asg | geez, is that like the 'my first barbie bluetooth' factoid |
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| 13:41.19 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: What IRC client do you use? |
| 13:41.40 | goccia | somebody said bluetooth was , like, a hairless communications protdoll |
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| 13:42.12 | gogo3or | hello how can I find certain dir? |
| 13:42.15 | goccia | /prot/pr0n |
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| 13:42.30 | asg | gogo3or: find(1) |
| 13:42.31 | eXistenZ | I mounted two of my ntfs paritions into two folders as a root, how can I enable other users to view this folder as well? |
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| 13:42.45 | gogo3or | asg i know type d |
| 13:42.49 | eXistenZ | I tried to change permissions, but it won't let me |
| 13:42.55 | asg | gogo3or: and -name '*the bit you remember*' |
| 13:43.16 | dogwater | Does anyone know what the name of the ssh packaage is? i tried apt-get install ssh |
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| 13:43.39 | asg | dogwater: openssh-server, openssh-client in sid now and maybe etch |
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| 13:43.55 | Whisky_ | ok 2nd ethernet card installed |
| 13:43.58 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: you there ? |
| 13:44.04 | asg | !seen PerfDave |
| 13:44.06 | dpkg | perfdave is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 28142 messages. Is idling for 1h 9m 20s |
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| 13:44.15 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 13:44.19 | Whisky_ | woa |
| 13:44.26 | fatal__ | !tell eXistenZ about ntfs |
| 13:44.26 | rumpl | Yo yoo |
| 13:44.37 | Whisky_ | 2nd Network card inserted, both winxp and debian boxes linked via cable. No idea what to do next :\ |
| 13:44.51 | yoo | i have aproblem with acpid on 2.6.11 kernel |
| 13:45.03 | abrotman | gogo3or: locate / find |
| 13:45.21 | gogo3or | abrotman, ? |
| 13:45.33 | yoo | acpi support compiled in hard with thermal processor fan |
| 13:45.38 | liable | Whisky_: um, did you bother to read that shorewall page, or find out about ifrename? |
| 13:45.44 | yoo | apt-get install acpid |
| 13:45.50 | yoo | i reboot my PC |
| 13:45.57 | yoo | and acpi -t |
| 13:46.07 | yoo | No support for device type: battery |
| 13:46.11 | yoo | No support for device type: thermal |
| 13:46.16 | abrotman | so you don't have support |
| 13:46.21 | yoo | i don't understaand |
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| 13:46.34 | yoo | but i compiled in my kernel |
| 13:46.36 | abrotman | and iirc .. acpi MUST be a module .. but i oculd be wrong |
| 13:46.38 | asg | yoo: does it work with the debian kernels? |
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| 13:46.41 | liable | yoo: worked for other kernels? |
| 13:46.49 | Whisky_ | liable: I bothered to get a hold of the shorewall package :S |
| 13:46.53 | yoo | ang gkrellm is OK with my fan and temperature |
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| 13:47.07 | yoo | i don't know |
| 13:47.09 | Whisky_ | liable: eth1 is up as well using "ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" |
| 13:47.14 | liable | Whisky_: so, read the page, configure it, and your ood to go.. |
| 13:47.19 | yoo | it's a myself compiled kernel |
| 13:47.21 | liable | *good |
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| 13:47.42 | asg | !custom kernel |
| 13:47.42 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 13:47.43 | Whisky_ | liable: Can you give me the link again ? |
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| 13:48.10 | goccia | Whisky_: there are precooked configs 1/2/3 interfaces on shorewall site |
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| 13:48.16 | liable | Whisky_: google shorewall, you want the 1.3 docs, and the two interface howto.. |
| 13:48.29 | Whisky_ | goccia: hang |
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| 13:48.40 | libertine | thx |
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| 13:49.17 | Whisky_ | something bothers me. Why isnt the light in the new card turning on ? |
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| 13:49.45 | asg | Whisky_: does /sbin/ifconfig -a show the interface? Does dmesg indicate the kernel has support for it? |
| 13:49.51 | goccia | Whisky_: did you heard a click while intering it ? :) |
| 13:49.52 | xst | I know there exists some listener that can tell if the owner of an IP address on a LAN changes. What is it called? |
| 13:49.58 | goccia | insert* |
| 13:50.15 | Whisky_ | goccia: I entered it with my PC shut. |
| 13:50.19 | Whisky_ | asg: just a second |
| 13:50.34 | Whisky_ | asg: show: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
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| 13:51.00 | Whisky_ | but i got 2 network cards, one is through which im connected right now. If its not found, am i not connected? :| |
| 13:51.01 | Whisky_ | heh |
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| 13:52.17 | goccia | that's called "xp curse" |
| 13:52.22 | Whisky_ | :s |
| 13:52.36 | Whisky_ | I curse you with XP ! :p |
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| 13:53.15 | goccia | Whisky_: haha you conna own my beloved sarge by using xp ? hahahah :) |
| 13:53.18 | goccia | g* |
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| 13:53.28 | Petaris | Anyone here use enlightenment 16 |
| 13:53.28 | huhcool | hey guys i'm having trouble with FCEU. both the video and CPU work perfectly but the sound is coming out all warbled, distorted, and basically sounds bad. My other emulators (ie VICE, scummvm, etc) have great sound. Any way to fix fceu? Any EMU's with better sound out there? |
| 13:53.35 | Whisky_ | lol no my dad loves XP and we're sharing :p |
| 13:53.48 | asg | that's like sharing needles |
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| 13:54.06 | tosh | asg lol |
| 13:54.19 | Whisky_ | I just got rid of it shorewall and installed Guidedog :| |
| 13:54.25 | Whisky_ | it has a GUI :p |
| 13:55.09 | Whisky_ | so ? |
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| 13:55.35 | chelsea_FC | hi all |
| 13:55.54 | Whisky_ | ok what address should i enter for enabling IP masquerade? 192.168.0.1 or .2 ? |
| 13:55.55 | chelsea_FC | can anyone direct me to SimplyMepis repositories? |
| 13:56.16 | asg | chelsea_FC: did you ask in #mepis? |
| 13:56.31 | chelsea_FC | not yet doh'' |
| 13:56.54 | chelsea_FC | no one there at the mo |
| 13:57.09 | chelsea_FC | must be having an afternoon siesta! |
| 13:57.14 | asg | chelsea_FC: there's 34 people in there. If noone is answering, check their /topic for info on where you might look. |
| 13:57.19 | plb | hrm freedomtoaster |
| 13:57.25 | goccia | oh! no more mepis users in this planet ? |
| 13:57.56 | liable | goccia: not in #debian at least.. |
| 13:58.15 | goccia | liable: i cry a "goccia" into a river :) |
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| 13:59.17 | Whisky_ | asg: Can you look at 2 pictures of Guidedog setup? Its a dialogue based setup with something about masquerading etc. ? :s |
| 13:59.31 | plb | hrm anyone get to freedomtoaster link on /. before it died |
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| 13:59.38 | Whisky_ | http://tinypic.com/9tfnfk.png && http://tinypic.com/9tfnlk.png |
| 13:59.44 | asg | Whisky_: probably better to wait for PerfDave, he seems to have some idea about what you are trying to do. |
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| 14:00.05 | Whisky_ | ok :| |
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| 14:01.16 | _Hug[o]_ | what package is for emacs? |
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| 14:01.49 | asg | _Hug[o]_: emacs21 |
| 14:02.08 | _Hug[o]_ | right |
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| 14:03.19 | Whisky_ | asg: Could you please tell me how I can know if my second ethernet card is connected ? |
| 14:03.41 | asg | Whisky_: does /sbin/ifconfig -a show eth0 and eth1 or just eth0 |
| 14:04.20 | Whisky_ | asg: eth0, eth1, lo and sit0 |
| 14:04.29 | Petaris | Anyone here use enlightenment 16? |
| 14:04.39 | asg | Whisky_: okay, then the kernel has recognized 2 cards (dmesg output can verify that) |
| 14:05.00 | _Hug[o]_ | What is the best package for extracting zip files? |
| 14:05.05 | asg | _Hug[o]_: unzip |
| 14:06.01 | Whisky_ | asg: But i brought up eth1 with eth0's ip address. Should I have done it using 192.168.0.1 ? And yes, dmesg says its been recognized :) |
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| 14:06.13 | huhcool | hey guys i'm having trouble with FCEU. both the video and CPU work perfectly but the sound is coming out all warbled, distorted, and basically sounds bad. My other emulators (ie VICE, scummvm, etc) have great sound. Any way to fix fceu? |
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| 14:06.56 | bush | huhcool: fceu-sdl? |
| 14:07.13 | asg | Whisky_: I've no idea, I don't know what you are trying to do. |
| 14:07.17 | mackrock | Are AMD processors much worse in speed than those provided by Intel ? And are both equally supported by linux ? |
| 14:07.37 | bush | mackrock: raw Mhz does not equal speed or power |
| 14:07.52 | rumpl | mackrock, AMDs are great |
| 14:07.53 | bush | in fact, the slower clockspeed AMDs outperform 'faster' p4s |
| 14:08.03 | Whisky_ | asg: i want to share a DSL connection between my dad's win xp system and my debian system. My debian system is the hub and has a router connected to it. Now I want to share this connection with my dad's WinXp system. |
| 14:08.15 | huhcool | bush> umm just regular fceu ... the package thats available in testing. i don't see a fceu-sdl. |
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| 14:09.04 | PerfDave | mackrock: Both AMD processors and Intel processors (and many many others) are supported by Linux. AMD seems to be better than Intel, but Intel can be had more cheaply, usually. |
| 14:09.16 | Whisky_ | PerfDave !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:09.18 | Whisky_ | :D |
| 14:09.40 | Whisky_ | Welcome back :p |
| 14:09.45 | mackrock | bush: eg, AMD Athlon 64 3800+ 2.4GHz Vs. Intel Pentium M Processor 740, 1.73GHz, with Centrino Technology Vs. PowerPC G4 1.5GHz Processor ? |
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| 14:10.15 | bush | mackrock: amd |
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| 14:10.39 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You've got your second card in? |
| 14:10.47 | d | d |
| 14:10.48 | goccia | what about the free-bios problem ? AMD seem to be more supportive |
| 14:11.02 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Yup, i got it up using "ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" |
| 14:11.11 | Whisky_ | where 10.0.0.5 is the address of eth0 |
| 14:11.13 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 14:11.18 | wers | I need help with getting a bootsplash to display,, im runing grub and i installed all relevant packages ( i think) ,, what can i dO?+ |
| 14:11.47 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Ive connected the WinXP system with mine using the 2nd card. |
| 14:11.49 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You shouldn't really use ifconfig - it only applies to the current session. When you reboot, you'll lose everything. If you specify things in /etc/network/interfaces then it'll persist between reboots. |
| 14:12.03 | tosh | I made a change to login.defs, when do these changes become active? |
| 14:12.05 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I got the settings there too :) |
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| 14:12.12 | Whisky_ | wise, aint i ? :p |
| 14:12.24 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Cool. So your Debian machine is online with both NICs (network cards) installed? |
| 14:12.25 | Mole | is there a cli-browser with support for java? links/w3m doesnt seem to work..need to login to my isp |
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| 14:12.30 | Whisky_ | yup |
| 14:12.35 | PerfDave | Mole: I doubt it. |
| 14:12.48 | PerfDave | Mole: Why does your ISP require you to use Java to "log on"? |
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| 14:13.09 | mackrock | bush: I asked the same question in gentoo and i got that the G4 will beat both of them, what do you think ? |
| 14:13.09 | Mole | PerfDave : i dunno..i just reach a page that says "javascript needs to be enabled" while trying to login :/ |
| 14:13.10 | wers | Mole .. u can probably use a netcat script |
| 14:13.22 | wers | Mole... An active portal |
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| 14:13.44 | Mole | wers : ok. are there any premade ones? :D |
| 14:13.45 | PerfDave | Mole: JavaScript is not the same thing as Java. I believe that there is a Javascript-enabled version of w3m. |
| 14:13.55 | wers | Mole.. yes.. plenty.. whats your ISP? |
| 14:13.56 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/327559 |
| 14:13.58 | d | stop calling me |
| 14:14.00 | bush | mackrock: if you want to go PPC |
| 14:14.05 | Whisky_ | That's the output of just "ifconfig" |
| 14:14.08 | Jalexxi | I think I'm in the right place for solving my little (basic) problem. Debian won't allow me to set my resolution higher than 800x600, maybe due to the fact that I failed to supply a card bus for xfree86 during install. Cany anyone help me with that? |
| 14:14.10 | PerfDave | Mole: What are you trying to log in to your ISP for? |
| 14:14.17 | PerfDave | Jalexxi: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 14:14.18 | bush | im talking x86, ppc is in its own league |
| 14:14.26 | Jalexxi | Thanks. |
| 14:14.26 | Mole | PerfDave : to get an ip from dhcp..need to login first |
| 14:14.31 | PerfDave | Jalexxi: You shouldn't need to specify a PCI bus ID to xfree86 |
| 14:14.37 | notty | hello i get this error in my mail.log: postfix/smtpd[958]: warning: dict_nis_init: NIS domain name not set - NIS lookups disabled any ideea how can i resolve it ? |
| 14:14.40 | PerfDave | Mole: How can you log in with a web browser if you don't have an IP? |
| 14:15.18 | Mole | PerfDave : i get some internal ip just to be able to login..dun ask me why..using tiscali in sweden :D |
| 14:15.25 | mackrock | bush: What's PPC ? |
| 14:15.27 | wers | u could try lynx http://10.0.0.6/sd/init |
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| 14:15.36 | Whisky_ | mackrock: Pocket PC |
| 14:15.37 | asg | PerfDave: the upstream port is probably blocked until he authenticates. We do similar things with wireless. |
| 14:15.39 | PerfDave | mackrock: PPC is the PowerPC architecture, used by Macs and IBM PowerServers. |
| 14:15.40 | bush | mackrock: power pc |
| 14:15.45 | Whisky_ | :| |
| 14:15.48 | wers | Mole Ill get u a script. |
| 14:15.50 | PerfDave | asg: that's suitably crack-laden. |
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| 14:16.05 | Mole | wers : thx :P |
| 14:16.26 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Hmm, that looks wrong, you've got the same IP on eth0 and eth1... |
| 14:16.28 | asg | PerfDave: yes, but useful for wireless; dumb as shit for ISPs unless they are using radius for provisioning and need the login to occur. |
| 14:16.34 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: yeah :s |
| 14:16.41 | yam | I have an Adaptec SATA Raid with 16 devices... costs $USD 700... its me or its shitty card? |
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| 14:16.55 | PerfDave | asg: I don't think some Javascript-based login is particularly useful for wireless either ;) |
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| 14:16.56 | Whisky_ | i brought it up using the same IP as eth0. Maybe I should have used 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 14:17.11 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Wait a minute, back up. eth0 is the interface connected to the cable router? |
| 14:17.19 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: yeah... |
| 14:17.34 | PerfDave | Whisky_: OK, so if you type "ifdown eth1" then everything stays working? |
| 14:17.44 | asg | PerfDave: on the Javascript, I agree. |
| 14:17.53 | Whisky_ | ifdown: interface eth1 not configured |
| 14:17.54 | Whisky_ | :| |
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| 14:18.16 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Ah, that's because you brought it up with ifconfig, not ifup. Try "ifconfig eth1 down" instead. |
| 14:18.24 | Whisky_ | ok! |
| 14:18.24 | mackrock | bush: That's the G4 ? or AMD ? |
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| 14:18.36 | Whisky_ | ok down |
| 14:18.46 | PerfDave | Whisky_: And everything still works from the Debian box? |
| 14:18.47 | gusar612 | How do i get dig to show me domain names? |
| 14:18.55 | Whisky_ | yeah, im online right now talking to you :/ |
| 14:18.58 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Sweet :) |
| 14:19.00 | petemc | gusar612: eh? |
| 14:19.01 | Whisky_ | :p |
| 14:19.18 | gusar612 | petemc: it cant do that? |
| 14:19.31 | asg | gusar612: no, your question is vague |
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| 14:19.33 | petemc | gusar612: you need to clarify exactly what you mean? |
| 14:19.39 | gusar612 | humm |
| 14:19.40 | sciron | is it me or is there some reason that qmail doesn't qualify and an SMTP server as far as apt goes (it still tries to force me to use exim)? |
| 14:19.46 | PerfDave | Whisky_: OK, can you show me the output of "route"? |
| 14:19.49 | PerfDave | sciron: How did you install qmail? |
| 14:19.59 | Whisky_ | yes, wait .... |
| 14:19.59 | sciron | PerfDave> afaik, building it is the only way |
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| 14:20.02 | asg | sciron: if you didn't use qmail-src, you'll need to use equivs to build a dummy package. |
| 14:20.05 | gusar612 | Ok.. i want to test if my reverse zones are working for my local dns |
| 14:20.09 | Gathond | sciron: is qmail installed through apt-get? |
| 14:20.13 | petemc | gusar612: dig -x ip |
| 14:20.14 | sciron | Gathond> yes |
| 14:20.18 | PerfDave | sciron: If you built it from the qmail-src package in apt, it will just work. |
| 14:20.19 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/327562 |
| 14:20.24 | gusar612 | ok thanks |
| 14:20.27 | sciron | PerfDave> testing branch? |
| 14:20.40 | sciron | (sarge, of course) |
| 14:20.46 | sciron | (probably etch by now) |
| 14:20.48 | Gathond | sciron: does the package installed list itself as surpluing the smtp meta package? (cant remember its name, but exim should include the same) |
| 14:20.55 | PerfDave | sciron: Uhm, Sarge is the stable branch. |
| 14:20.57 | sciron | Gathond> no |
| 14:21.04 | sciron | ok, it'd be etch then |
| 14:21.10 | Gathond | sciron: probably that is the reason then |
| 14:21.16 | PerfDave | Of course, the easy option is just to use exim rather than turdy non-free djb crackware ;) |
| 14:21.17 | sciron | k, thanks, will check into it |
| 14:21.23 | sciron | lol |
| 14:21.35 | Gathond | since packages depending on that meta package wont see your qmail as fullfilling it |
| 14:21.36 | petemc | sciron: you're living in the past ;) |
| 14:21.49 | sciron | Gathond> gotcha, thanks. |
| 14:22.03 | sciron | i actually put postfix on it due to the metapackage issue |
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| 14:22.09 | sciron | i'd rather have sendmail almost :/ |
| 14:22.10 | gusar612 | thanks alot petemc! It works! You just made me a very happy man! |
| 14:22.54 | PerfDave | Whisky_: OK, cool. So basically you've got one two-machine network, between your Debian box on 10.0.0.5 and your router on 10.0.0.2. The next step is to set up a second network between your Debian box and your WinXP box. The third step is to allow packets to flow between those networks, with ipmasq. |
| 14:23.22 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: What's the first step of the 2nd step? :s |
| 14:23.43 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Did you read those tutorials on netfilter.org? |
| 14:24.13 | sciron | ok, now for the weird one: When I use a mozilla-driven web browser, and hit a place such as asus.com (or even mail.yahoo.com did it to me a few minutes ago), rectangular chunks of the entire xwindows display (gnome, gah) go .... wonky (looks almost like the default X background, with twm) |
| 14:24.14 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Basically, we need to pick a private IP space to use for the second network, which doesn't overlap with the one we're already using. 192.168.0.0/24 will do nicely. |
| 14:24.30 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I tried to search but I was unable to determine what I was looking for :| |
| 14:24.38 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: So what do I need to do on the WinXp Box ? |
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| 14:24.44 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Leave the WinXP box for now. |
| 14:24.49 | Whisky_ | ok... |
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| 14:25.23 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Configure eth1 with the address 192.168.0.1, netmask 255.255.255.0 in /etc/network/interfaces and bring it up with ifup |
| 14:25.37 | Whisky_ | okk |
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| 14:26.03 | Whisky_ | gateway 10.0.0.2 ? |
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| 14:26.08 | PerfDave | Whisky_: No gateway |
| 14:26.14 | Whisky_ | ermm ok |
| 14:26.29 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You can't have a gateway that isn't on your network, and 10.0.0.2 isn't on the 192.168.0.0/24 network :) |
| 14:26.37 | Whisky_ | k :p |
| 14:26.44 | Whisky_ | 192.168.0.0/24 ? |
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| 14:27.20 | Whisky_ | ok eth1 is up on 192.168.0.1 and broadcasting on 192.168.0.255 |
| 14:27.24 | PerfDave | Whisky_: 192.168.0.0/24 is the shorthand way of saying "The network between 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.0.255" :) |
| 14:27.34 | Whisky_ | oh kk :p |
| 14:27.59 | PerfDave | Whisky_: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//networking-concepts-HOWTO-4.html :) |
| 14:28.06 | Whisky_ | thanks |
| 14:28.18 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 14:28.21 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Also, see the "ipcalc" package for an easy way to examine and manipulate network notation :) |
| 14:28.29 | Whisky_ | ok :D |
| 14:29.00 | PerfDave | Whisky_: OK, now you want to set up your WinXP box with an IP address of 192.168.0.2, netmask 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.0.1 |
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| 14:29.26 | Whisky_ | Ok....I am not really good at networking in WindowsXp either but i'll give it a shot. |
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| 14:30.18 | Whisky_ | asking in a windows channel, brb. Will be back within 8 miniutes max with everything done =) |
| 14:30.35 | dogwater | 8 minutes is pretty exact, not 10.. or 5? |
| 14:30.45 | Whisky_ | :p |
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| 14:31.16 | FieldySnuts | 8.4 |
| 14:31.23 | kneet | Of the standard groups installed - which is nearest in concept to the bsd wheel group? adm? staff? I guess this has no fixed answer - just curious |
| 14:31.41 | asg | kneet: look at /etc/pam.d/login |
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| 14:31.45 | kneet | OK |
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| 14:32.19 | asg | kneet: err, /etc/pam.d/su |
| 14:33.14 | goccia | kneet: i do have wheel |
| 14:33.42 | goccia | kneet: debian hardening docs explain very well |
| 14:34.08 | kneet | goccia, I really will have to get into that one in more detail soon |
| 14:34.22 | goccia | kneet: it is worth :) |
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| 14:34.47 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Done. What should I have entered for DNS? i left it blank. So, what's next ? |
| 14:34.55 | kneet | Oh I know - I have it here - just not had time to sit down and go thru it |
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| 14:35.15 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Eventually, you'll want want your ISP's nameservers, same as on your Debian box. But that's for later. |
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| 14:35.30 | PerfDave | Whisky_: From you Debian box, you should now be able to type "ping 192.168.0.2" and get a response. |
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| 14:35.44 | Whisky_ | nothing :S |
| 14:35.44 | Thanatermesis | how to configure the printers ? |
| 14:36.00 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You've connected the two machines? |
| 14:36.13 | Whisky_ | I disabled the connection there and re-enabled it. It says "Connection Established". Suddenly it said "A network cable is unplugged" |
| 14:36.17 | Whisky_ | yes, they are connected. |
| 14:36.25 | PerfDave | Whisky_: How are they connected? |
| 14:36.44 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: a wire leading from eth1 to the xp box's ethernet card. |
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| 14:36.58 | tosh | when making changes to login.defs, how do I enforce the changes? |
| 14:37.10 | drp|work | can you not write to an ntfs file system from debian? |
| 14:37.17 | PerfDave | Whisky_: What sort of wire? |
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| 14:37.37 | asg | tosh: logout, login. Remember, some settings may be overridden in dotfiles. |
| 14:37.39 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: The wire that is connecting my router and eth0. The tech guys at dad's office gave it to us. |
| 14:37.42 | PerfDave | drp|work: You can't from Linux, without a fair amount of difficulty. NTFS itself is nasty shit. |
| 14:37.45 | knt | isn't it possible to define CFLAGS in one Makefile and then use it in others? (i'm calling other makefiles with "make -C subdir") |
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| 14:38.08 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Hang on, you unplugged your router to wire the two PCs togetehr? |
| 14:38.22 | drp|work | PerfDave: k ... thats what I thought but was just checking, thanks |
| 14:38.37 | Whisky_ | No, my router is exactly like it was. Eth0 and the router were not modified. just inserted eth1 and linked it to my dad's system. |
| 14:38.47 | goccia | hmmm |
| 14:38.55 | sciron | it's easier imo to get an ext2/3/reiser driver for winderz |
| 14:39.00 | PerfDave | Whisky_: "inserted eth1", or inserted a cable into eth1? |
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| 14:39.43 | kneet | OK - the reinstall factoid - "dpkg --set-selections < package && apt-get install" - what's missing? "apt-get install" says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 14:39.44 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Inserted eth1 (while the system was off), inserted a cable into eth1 and linked to Xp system's card, booted my debian box, booted the xp box. |
| 14:39.44 | yam | anyone have adaptec hardware under debian? |
| 14:39.50 | gniretar | ya |
| 14:39.54 | gniretar | power supply |
| 14:39.55 | sciron | yam> yep |
| 14:40.02 | yam | raid card? |
| 14:40.07 | gniretar | no, sry |
| 14:40.07 | PerfDave | Whisky_: So eth1 is recognised on the Debian box, up and configured with the right IP? |
| 14:40.08 | abrotman | !tell kneet about debian clone |
| 14:40.09 | sciron | nope, scsi cards |
| 14:40.18 | sciron | *non-RAID |
| 14:40.23 | yam | sciron: heard about aaccli? |
| 14:40.29 | kneet | abrotman, thx |
| 14:40.29 | gniretar | !dict raid |
| 14:40.32 | dpkg | Dictionary 'raid' (2 of 7): 2. An attack or invasion for the purpose of making arrests, seizing property, or plundering; as, a raid of the police upon a gambling house; a raid of contractors on the public treasury. [Colloq. U. S.] ;; There are permanent conquests, temporary occupation, and occasional raids. --H. Spenser.. |
| 14:40.33 | sciron | yam> no, hardware or software raid? |
| 14:40.37 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/327586 |
| 14:40.40 | sciron | lol @ raid |
| 14:40.40 | Whisky_ | have a look =) |
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| 14:41.13 | yam | sciron: have a 16 devices sata raid card... and tried to use aaccli from redhat distro over the kernel.org aac driver |
| 14:41.22 | FieldySnuts | sata raid heh |
| 14:41.30 | yam | it sucks... and its an expensive card.. thinking about giving it back to my supplier |
| 14:41.31 | PerfDave | Whisky_: OK, that seems to be in order. So there's one bit of network cable going between eth1 on the Debian box and the network card on the XP box? No hub or switch in the middle? |
| 14:41.47 | FieldySnuts | we tried sata raid here, true disaster. the performance is horrid |
| 14:41.50 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Nothing, direct link. |
| 14:41.53 | gniretar | if ti is hardware RAID then it should be platform independadt |
| 14:41.53 | FieldySnuts | stick with scsi |
| 14:41.57 | Xytek187 | does GNome need Xserver? is it as "user friendly" as KDE? |
| 14:41.58 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: software or hardware ? |
| 14:41.59 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Is it a crossover cable? |
| 14:42.04 | FieldySnuts | gniretar: no sata raid card is 100% hardware |
| 14:42.07 | Whisky_ | crossover ? |
| 14:42.08 | abrotman | Xytek187: yes and yes |
| 14:42.11 | PerfDave | Xytek187: All GUIs need an X server. I don't think it's half as good as KDE. |
| 14:42.14 | yam | gniretar: well... but how do you hot manage raid? :) |
| 14:42.18 | abrotman | Xytek187: apt-get install gnome x-window-system |
| 14:42.20 | FieldySnuts | since there really is no such thing as real sata raid |
| 14:42.22 | FieldySnuts | it's all a hack |
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| 14:42.35 | asg | PerfDave: it would have been better to just get him to buy a $20 linksys 4 port switch ;) |
| 14:42.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i don't think that's quite true |
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| 14:42.38 | yam | field: card costed 700$ |
| 14:42.38 | PerfDave | Whisky_: If you're connecting two machines directly, you need a different cable than if you're connecting them via a hub. The internal wiring is different. |
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| 14:42.51 | gniretar | yam, that should be platform independant 2 |
| 14:42.55 | Xytek187 | now wonder it didnt work, I installed xserver-xfree86 instead of x-window-system lol :/ |
| 14:43.01 | yam | gniretar: how? |
| 14:43.01 | gniretar | yam. ahhh, i see what you mean |
| 14:43.07 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: just that the cost of a true hardware .. might as well go scsi :) |
| 14:43.17 | yam | :) |
| 14:43.33 | Thanatermesis | its normal to Im have only 10 or 15 models of printers ? |
| 14:43.34 | yam | this card has a builtin CLI |
| 14:43.43 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I'm connecting them directly. The cable is the fat telephone like one's that fit exactly into the ethernet card :p (The same kinda cable is linking eth0 and the router) |
| 14:43.52 | Thanatermesis | Im remember in woody have a very long database of a lot of printers... |
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| 14:43.56 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: afaik .. the 2410SA is true hardware .. |
| 14:44.11 | yam | abrotman: I have the 21610SA |
| 14:44.20 | FieldySnuts | ~tasso abrotman |
| 14:44.24 | FieldySnuts | boo. |
| 14:44.28 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: tasso? |
| 14:44.29 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: no idea |
| 14:44.31 | PerfDave | Whisky_: the cable is the same, the wiring inside the connectors is different. You either need a cross-over cable to directly connect the Windows and Debian boxes, or two standard cables and a hub or switch. |
| 14:44.33 | FieldySnuts | ;/ |
| 14:44.40 | abrotman | yam: the kernel drivers should work fine for that .. but .. the monitoring stuff.. i have no idea .. are you on a 64bit machine ? |
| 14:44.50 | Xytek187 | Well I'm going to go continue my install... shibby wind0ze comp.. :/ |
| 14:44.54 | PerfDave | Whisky_: I'd go for the switch - they're cheap enough, and mean you can add more machines to the network. |
| 14:45.14 | yam | abrotman: ya have the 2410SA? |
| 14:45.22 | abrotman | yam: i've worked on machines with it |
| 14:45.41 | yam | abrotman: with debian? |
| 14:45.43 | abrotman | !tasso FieldySnuts |
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| 14:45.44 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: tasso tasso tasso tasso fungo fungo serpento! serpento! |
| 14:45.48 | abrotman | yam: pure64 debian .. yes |
| 14:45.48 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: The XP box did pick the network and said the network is connected but then suddenly says everything's down :s |
| 14:45.57 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 14:45.59 | goccia | again tasso ? |
| 14:46.09 | FieldySnuts | italian? |
| 14:46.10 | yam | abrotman: how did you hot swap drives? |
| 14:46.14 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Yeah, that's making me think that you've got the wrong cable, though I don't use XP so I can't confirm that. |
| 14:46.26 | Whisky_ | :[ |
| 14:46.44 | goccia | italians or english badgers are badgers :) |
| 14:46.44 | FieldySnuts | ~blaireau abrotman |
| 14:46.47 | FieldySnuts | oh come on :( |
| 14:46.48 | thingfish | our local greek restaurant is called "Tasso's"/ |
| 14:46.48 | abrotman | yam: we don't .. it's housed in a secret location at MIT |
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| 14:46.57 | abrotman | yam: iirc .. RAID1 |
| 14:47.10 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: !blaireau yourself since I can't |
| 14:47.18 | abrotman | !blaireau me |
| 14:47.19 | dpkg | ENOUGH! |
| 14:47.21 | abrotman | heheh |
| 14:47.22 | FieldySnuts | oh lame |
| 14:47.28 | yam | abrotman: but well... some kind of raid monotoring must be done, swap disks, define spares and so on |
| 14:47.31 | FieldySnuts | sussudio should fix that |
| 14:47.33 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I'll go for a reboot and try again (The XP box I mean ( |
| 14:47.34 | Whisky_ | )* |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | yam: 64bit machine ? |
| 14:47.40 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You might want to look in /var/log/messages for references to eth1, see if it has any useful information. |
| 14:47.54 | yam | abrotman: welll... its a dual xeon 3.0ghz machine |
| 14:47.59 | abrotman | yam: 64bit machine ? |
| 14:48.00 | goccia | Whisky_: check the sequence colors at the ends of the cable : if it's the same it is not "twisted" and it won't work |
| 14:48.01 | FieldySnuts | just answer: yes or no. |
| 14:48.05 | abrotman | it's a yes or no question |
| 14:48.08 | yam | no |
| 14:48.18 | abrotman | yam: have you tried to alien the RPMs from the adaptec site? |
| 14:48.26 | yam | ofcourse :) |
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| 14:48.38 | abrotman | yam: the hotswap iirc is defined in the controller .. the RPM interfaces the card for status .. |
| 14:48.41 | yam | thats where I got aaccli out from |
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| 14:49.14 | acid2 | Hi there |
| 14:49.19 | abrotman | yam: and it doesn't work ? |
| 14:49.26 | acid2 | Im having some trouble setting up my X config file |
| 14:49.33 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: ok. |
| 14:49.35 | PerfDave | acid2: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 14:49.46 | yam | well, I can open the aac device, and show disk list... but on any serious operation, it hangs out |
| 14:49.51 | Whisky_ | goccia: Sequence colors? It's the same wire with 2 endings :/ |
| 14:49.56 | PerfDave | Whisky_: If you do have the wrong cable, you might just want to get a second identical cable and a switch. |
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| 14:50.15 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: How much would a switch cost ? |
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| 14:50.55 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Uhm, no idea in your local currency. I'd expect to pay somewhere between 10ukp and 20ukp for one. |
| 14:51.00 | yam | abrotman: but aaccli is from 2003 |
| 14:51.08 | acid2 | It says that it can't find any screens - so im trying to reconfigure. I did lspci and I got "0000:02:00.0 Vga compatible controller... etc" |
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| 14:51.08 | Whisky_ | cheap, ok. |
| 14:51.11 | goccia | Whisky_: i know : check both endings : if it's twisted you'll see |
| 14:51.16 | abrotman | yam: well .. it's probably severely outdated |
| 14:51.16 | grigora | hi, I am trying to run a daemon in chroot, the binary is installed in [chroot]/usr/sbin/ so I am trying to run "chroot [chroot] /usr/sbin/clamd" but it complains that there is nousr/sbin |
| 14:51.21 | acid2 | How would I enter that as the sbus? |
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| 14:51.25 | yam | abrotman: not sure if its still being developed or there's a newer version |
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| 14:51.47 | abrotman | yam: the package from adaptec ? |
| 14:51.49 | grigora | ... there is no /usr/sbin/clamd, which there isn't under root, but there is under chroot |
| 14:51.52 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You want a 4-port or 8-port, 100Mbit switch. |
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| 14:52.16 | yam | abrotman: havent found aaccli (aacapps) in any of latest adaptec rpms |
| 14:52.32 | abrotman | yam: http://adaptec.com/worldwide/support/drivers_by_product.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=/Product/AAR-21610SA |
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| 14:52.46 | abrotman | yam: there are many files far newer than 2003 |
| 14:52.53 | grigora | I have the exact same command working on a RedHat system so I am wondering whether Debian's chroot is somehow different from RedHat's |
| 14:53.02 | d | yam was my chars name in world of warcraft |
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| 14:53.26 | abrotman | it's a sweet potato! |
| 14:53.27 | travisat | when I install grub to the mbr it halts when it says its loading stage 1_5. I can't seem to figure out how to get grub to work again. |
| 14:53.31 | PerfDave | grigora: Have you read "man chroot"? :) |
| 14:53.48 | abrotman | yam: and no .. i don't know which file you need .. my situation was odd because the machine was pure64 ... |
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| 14:54.10 | goccia | abrotman: that "serpento" it is wrong : should be "serpente" |
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| 14:54.44 | grigora | PerfDave: as hard as it may seem, yes, i have read the man page |
| 14:54.50 | abrotman | goccia: and? |
| 14:54.50 | acid2 | Ok, I've got the error from my xfree86 log file: No devices detected. When I do lspci I see the device at "0000:02:00.0" - what would this be as a BusID? |
| 14:55.02 | abrotman | acid2: leave it blank |
| 14:55.09 | acid2 | ok, ill try that |
| 14:55.26 | sussudio | !factinfo cmd: tasso (.*?) |
| 14:55.26 | dpkg | CMD: tasso (.*?) -- created by resiak <~will@host217-42-190-23.range217-42.btcentralplus.com> at Wed Jun 15 01:36:04 2005 (48 days). |
| 14:55.31 | goccia | abrotman: a factoids typo ? |
| 14:55.36 | sussudio | resiak: you suck at teh badgers. |
| 14:56.04 | acid2 | it workies :) |
| 14:56.06 | sussudio | !cmd: tasso (.*?) =~ s/serpento! serpento!/serpente oooh serpenteeee!/ |
| 14:56.06 | abrotman | goccia: i don't speak italian |
| 14:56.07 | acid2 | Thanks abrotman |
| 14:56.11 | Whisky_ | goccia: And by twisted you mean? They are straight :/ |
| 14:56.16 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Not working :[ |
| 14:56.17 | sussudio | !tasso goccia |
| 14:56.18 | dpkg | goccia: tasso tasso tasso tasso fungo fungo serpento! serpento! |
| 14:56.21 | sussudio | mreh. |
| 14:56.23 | goccia | hehehehe |
| 14:56.31 | Whisky_ | better get another wire and a switch... |
| 14:56.38 | PerfDave | Whisky_: What's not working? |
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| 14:57.29 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: What confuses me is that the green light in eth1 isnt on :/ |
| 14:58.11 | abrotman | it should be |
| 14:58.19 | Whisky_ | but it isnt :/ |
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| 14:58.27 | abrotman | it should be |
| 14:58.30 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Well, different network cards mean different things by different LEDs. If you're using the wrong cable, it might be detecting that you don't have a good connection (like Windows is doing) and not lighting the LED. |
| 14:58.36 | FieldySnuts | ~samir |
| 14:58.36 | apt | Yes, this is horrible, this idea! |
| 14:58.46 | Whisky_ | k :S |
| 14:58.53 | abrotman | Whisky_: can you check the switch ? |
| 14:58.56 | Whisky_ | ok im going out for a while to get the stuff. |
| 14:59.04 | grigora | so does anyone know why "chroot /var/lib/amavis/ /usr/sbin/clamd" would not work on Debian? |
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| 14:59.08 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Take the existing cable with you, see if the shop can test it. |
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| 14:59.23 | PerfDave | abrotman: He's trying to connect two machines directly with what I think is a pass-through cable. |
| 14:59.33 | goccia | sussudio: get magic steve erving to crush "serpento" balls |
| 14:59.44 | Whisky_ | abrotman: No k |
| 14:59.45 | sussudio | !texugo goccia |
| 14:59.46 | dpkg | goccia: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 14:59.54 | goccia | hahahaha |
| 15:00.11 | abrotman | oh .. a crossover ? |
| 15:00.15 | sussudio | no. |
| 15:00.21 | abrotman | no? |
| 15:00.23 | abrotman | no! |
| 15:00.24 | sussudio | nein. |
| 15:00.33 | abrotman | not a crossover cable ? |
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| 15:01.07 | PerfDave | abrotman: Apparently not a crossover cable. The LED not lighting when he connects the machine indicates this. |
| 15:01.23 | abrotman | could be .. a bad cable? |
| 15:01.27 | abrotman | is it homemade? |
| 15:01.40 | goccia | eyeball the f* endings and check |
| 15:01.42 | PerfDave | abrotman: That's why I suggested Whisky_ take it to the shop where he's about to buy a switch, and get it tested :) |
| 15:02.07 | PerfDave | And while Whisky_ is at the shop, I'm going to go and pick up my newly-repaired, fully-spoked bike wheel :) |
| 15:02.23 | abrotman | PerfDave: why did you take spokes out ? |
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| 15:02.34 | PerfDave | abrotman: One snapped. |
| 15:02.35 | yam | abrotman: yeah.. there are files from 2005, but not containing the aacapps (which has aaccli bin) |
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| 15:02.49 | yam | anyway.. tnx for the info |
| 15:02.54 | kneet | PerfDave, last time I broke a spoke I didn't notice - then - at perhaps 20mph 6 of them went :( |
| 15:03.06 | StarOfDeath | Hi |
| 15:03.09 | PerfDave | kneet: See, this is why I got my wheel repaired and rebalanced :) |
| 15:03.11 | StarOfDeath | How are you! |
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| 15:03.13 | StarOfDeath | :-) |
| 15:03.21 | stew | i think i'm the only bike rider i know that has never broken a spoke |
| 15:03.27 | Acerimusdux | grigora: have you checked to make sure the clamd binary is not dynamically linked? |
| 15:03.28 | kneet | PerfDave, heh - mine was beyond repair - new wheel |
| 15:03.43 | abrotman | yam: you checked them .. all ? |
| 15:03.48 | PerfDave | stew: I never broke a spoke until about a fortnight ago :) |
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| 15:04.00 | abrotman | stew: i haven't broken one .. |
| 15:04.13 | abrotman | stew: i've bent .. not broken |
| 15:04.17 | stew | abrotman: you weigh like 110 pounds though, right? :) |
| 15:04.44 | sceig | how can i mount the content of a cdrom in /mydirectory/ ? |
| 15:05.01 | rumpl | man mount |
| 15:05.08 | abrotman | stew: uhm .. currently .. 150ish |
| 15:05.11 | kneet | Nearly finished with the dselect-upgrade after a set-selections :) Now all I have to do is decide what from the old /etc should not be copied back (like - the old lvm2 config for example) :) |
| 15:05.12 | abrotman | maybe 160 |
| 15:05.35 | StarOfDeath | You know how can I know what is the motherboard, how much bank of memory the mogherboard has, and so on my server ? I think this information is on /proc |
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| 15:05.55 | abrotman | cat /proc/meminfo ? |
| 15:06.12 | sceig | which file list the partition mounted on my system |
| 15:06.39 | stew | sceig: /etc/mtab |
| 15:06.40 | rumpl | /etc/mtab |
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| 15:06.50 | StarOfDeath | cat /proc/partitions |
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| 15:07.01 | stew | StarOfDeath: no thats all known partitions, not mounted partitions |
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| 15:07.25 | sceig | tks |
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| 15:07.53 | StarOfDeath | fdisk -l |
| 15:08.05 | grigora | Acerimusdux: yes I have, but even if I hadn't, it should not have caused a "No such file or directory" error |
| 15:08.09 | corallis | I've got a bunch of useless services running on my machine.. is there a program I can get from apt-get that will let me go through and remove the ones that I don't want? |
| 15:08.14 | stew | StarOfDeath: thats the same as /proc/partitions |
| 15:08.18 | goccia | wgat ? df !!! |
| 15:08.19 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: ok turns out the guys at the office were linking the same way we are right now. They gave the wire from their current setup :/ |
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| 15:08.32 | abrotman | StarOfDeath: stop giving wrong answers |
| 15:08.34 | stew | corallis: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 15:08.45 | grigora | Acerimusdux: I have copied all the libraries to the chroot as well |
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| 15:08.52 | RvGaTe | M4g3 ? |
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| 15:09.34 | grigora | any other ideas? |
| 15:09.34 | corallis | stew: that did me no good... he just told me about using netstat |
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| 15:09.57 | Vladi_here | StarOfDeath is right fdisk -l shows mountpoints |
| 15:10.01 | stew | corallis: edit /etc/inetd.conf ; and restart inetd, apt-get remove any other services you don't want |
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| 15:10.20 | stew | corallis: or use rcconf | update-rc.d to prevent services from starting (aside from the inetd ones) |
| 15:10.30 | abrotman | Vladi_here: does it show what is currently mounted ? |
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| 15:10.56 | Whisky_ | abrotman: ok turns out the guys at the office were linking the same way we are right now. They gave us the wire from their current setup. But the light still wont turn on in eth1 :S |
| 15:10.58 | Mage\wor1 | no transset / xcompmgr under debian ? |
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| 15:11.22 | Vladi_here | it shows at least fs's |
| 15:11.22 | abrotman | Mage\wor1: no what? |
| 15:11.31 | stew | Vladi_here: fdisk -l doesn't show mountpoints, it show partitions that are listed in /proc/partitions |
| 15:11.33 | corallis | stew: thanks, rcconf was what I was looking for |
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| 15:11.46 | Mage\wor1 | abrotman: transset, the program which come with X.org |
| 15:12.11 | Mage\wor1 | I want to test "true" transparency, just for curiousity .. |
| 15:12.28 | abrotman | !find bin/transset sid |
| 15:12.39 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/transset' returned no results. |
| 15:12.47 | Mage\wor1 | >:o |
| 15:12.48 | abrotman | Mage\wor1: sure tha'ts what it's called ? |
| 15:12.51 | Mage\wor1 | yes |
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| 15:13.05 | antgel | anyone out there running any per-user crontabs under /var/spool/cron/crontabs/<user>? i'm looking to know if crontabs in here are generated with the username column. the comment at the to of /etc/crontab suggests that they shouldn't. |
| 15:13.51 | abrotman | maybe it's not in the bin folder |
| 15:14.04 | abrotman | Mage\wor1: nope .. hrm .. |
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| 15:14.34 | Mage\wor1 | it's the program to "play" with transparency under X.org |
| 15:14.52 | abrotman | hrm |
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| 15:15.52 | abrotman | Mage\wor1: i don't see anything like that .. and the guy who packged xorg isn't here right now |
| 15:15.56 | stew | there is no transs* in the xorg source package |
| 15:16.11 | stew | nor the binary packages |
| 15:16.16 | Whisky___ | abrotman: inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 15:16.25 | Whisky___ | eth1 is broadcasting on 192.168.0.255 :/ |
| 15:16.26 | abrotman | Whisky___: and ? |
| 15:16.31 | abrotman | what's wrong with that ? |
| 15:16.58 | Whisky___ | and I entered the IP as 192.168.0.1 on the WinXP box, sybnet 255.255.255.0 and gateway 192.168.0.2 |
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| 15:17.06 | abrotman | sybnet ? |
| 15:17.10 | abrotman | oh .. subnet |
| 15:17.28 | Acerimusdux | grigora: have you tried chroot with another binary? like 'ls' or something, just as a test...I can't think of a reason to not find the file; |
| 15:17.31 | abrotman | Whisky___: that's the right netmask .. can you paste your interfaces file somewhere(NOT HERE) |
| 15:17.34 | tosh | I have a sendmail setup, and it only has to accept mail for 1 user, being a local user. I configured sendmail to run on the correct ipaddress instead of just localhost, I put the recipient-address in virtusertable as "name@domain local_unix_account_name", I added the ipaddress of the box in the "access" file, but when I try to send mail to that user, it says it denies the recipient... anything I forgot? |
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| 15:18.07 | Whisky___ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/327608 |
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| 15:19.18 | abrotman | Whisky___: are yo trying to setup a router ? |
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| 15:19.44 | Whisky___ | abrotman: The router's already setup. I'm connected to the internet using eth0 via the router. I want to share the connection with the XP box too. |
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| 15:20.14 | Mage\wor1 | Whisky___: have you setup masquerading ? |
| 15:20.26 | Mage\wor1 | and ipv4 forwarding ? |
| 15:20.30 | Whisky___ | Mage\wor1: No :/ |
| 15:20.31 | abrotman | Whisky___: if you ifconfig -a .. can you see the itnerface ? |
| 15:20.44 | abrotman | can the windows box ping the linux box ? |
| 15:20.45 | Whisky___ | abrotman: yup, there. |
| 15:20.48 | TTimo | mh .. I thought M-x toggle-truncate-lines would switch my buffer between truncate and wrapping the text ? |
| 15:20.49 | goccia | Whisky___: did you inster the new eth before ? yes : if the led is dead i guess you did not inserted completely the card |
| 15:20.50 | stew | what is the problem? |
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| 15:21.04 | TTimo | oh wait wrong chan :) |
| 15:21.10 | Whisky___ | goccia: Im not blind :| |
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| 15:21.24 | sml | quick question guys ... can i download just the first 4Gb dvd for a successful install? |
| 15:21.24 | Whisky___ | abrotman: let me try pinging, the network is dead though at the windows end |
| 15:21.27 | goccia | Whisky___: that happened to me and i'm not blind either :) |
| 15:21.44 | jetx | sml yeah think so |
| 15:21.51 | Whisky___ | but no masquerading/forwarding setup, don't know anything about those (I do know the definitions) |
| 15:21.57 | yoo | Somebody here have competence about acpi ? |
| 15:22.10 | sml | ok .. lets see how it goes |
| 15:22.11 | abrotman | he shuldn't need the routing/masqing just to ping the linux box from the windows box |
| 15:22.13 | sml | :0 |
| 15:22.16 | abrotman | yoo: just ask |
| 15:22.17 | stew | yoo: if you have a real question, ask it, don't poll, or ask to ask |
| 15:22.26 | yoo | because i recompile a kernel with thermal processor fan |
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| 15:22.34 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 15:22.36 | yoo | acpi support in hard |
| 15:22.44 | jetx | fine so and |
| 15:22.46 | yoo | acpi dsee work fine |
| 15:22.49 | yoo | look : |
| 15:22.49 | abrotman | i think i told you before .. i'm 99% sure acpi has to be a module |
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| 15:23.01 | yoo | simpson:~# cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/info |
| 15:23.02 | jetx | i compile acpi in it seems to work all i know |
| 15:23.07 | yoo | processor id: 0 |
| 15:23.14 | yoo | acpi id: 1 |
| 15:23.15 | abrotman | DO NOT PASTE IN HERE |
| 15:23.24 | yoo | oki |
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| 15:23.29 | yoo | but |
| 15:23.31 | abrotman | !tell yoo about paste |
| 15:23.35 | goccia | antgel: easy : no username column/fiels just a usernamefile in /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
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| 15:23.42 | goccia | fields* |
| 15:23.42 | jetx | !tell yoo about hoo |
| 15:23.43 | abrotman | and if you use #flood .. tell us before you paste |
| 15:23.49 | yoo | ok |
| 15:23.55 | yoo | acpi -t |
| 15:24.06 | Whisky___ | pinging 10.0.0.5 (eth0's IP), it says hardware error. Pinging 192.168.0.2 (The gateway setup for the XP box) it says host unreachable |
| 15:24.14 | yoo | No support for device type: thermal |
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| 15:24.19 | abrotman | and people wonder why we have a !beer factoid |
| 15:24.19 | yoo | it strange |
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| 15:24.29 | Whisky___ | and i figured WinXP will say "LAN connection established" for a few seconds even if there isnt a wire connected, heh |
| 15:24.33 | sciron | because of the ByMeABeer license? |
| 15:24.35 | yoo | so my temperature module in e17 can read temperature |
| 15:24.40 | abrotman | Whisky___: but the IP of the linux box is .1 |
| 15:24.42 | yoo | can't read |
| 15:24.44 | goccia | i'll have a campari red factoid thanks |
| 15:24.45 | kneet | abrotman, right now I could do with a large scotch factoid |
| 15:24.46 | yoo | sorry |
| 15:24.53 | abrotman | !liquor kneet |
| 15:24.53 | grigora | Acerimusdux: no go, I can't do it with ls either |
| 15:24.54 | stew | yoo: modprobe thermal? |
| 15:24.56 | abrotman | oh well |
| 15:24.57 | Whisky___ | abrotman: Tried that too, host unreachable. |
| 15:24.57 | sciron | toss a Crown factoid in there too ;) |
| 15:25.11 | abrotman | Whisky___: does it say if the network is up or down? ... |
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| 15:25.26 | Whisky___ | Nothing on the Xp Box that i can judge from |
| 15:25.33 | goccia | a snakebite factoid to my friend tasso |
| 15:25.33 | yoo | stew : no |
| 15:25.37 | yoo | it's loaded |
| 15:25.37 | Whisky___ | i know alot more about networking on Linux then Windows :p |
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| 15:25.42 | yoo | the same problem |
| 15:25.52 | stew | yoo: are you sure you hardware supports it? |
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| 15:26.25 | yoo | my motherboard you mean |
| 15:26.37 | antgel | goccia: clear as mud |
| 15:26.42 | yoo | via KT400 A-V |
| 15:26.52 | moret | Hello |
| 15:26.53 | goccia | antgel: i prefere slime :) |
| 15:27.04 | yoo | perhaps i must look in the bois |
| 15:27.05 | goccia | better looking girls |
| 15:27.06 | yoo | bios |
| 15:27.22 | Whisky___ | abrotman: Any ideas ? |
| 15:27.34 | moret | I want to buy a webcam, which is better supported by Linux? My friends say Quickcam of Logitech |
| 15:27.35 | stew | yoo: google for other people with the same motherboard and see what they did |
| 15:27.41 | yoo | okay |
| 15:27.46 | Whisky___ | now where did PerfDave go........... |
| 15:27.49 | yoo | my cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone exist |
| 15:27.54 | stew | Whisky___: to the bike store |
| 15:27.56 | yoo | but it's empty |
| 15:28.05 | PerfDave | Whisky___: Hang on a second, what's the IP address you've set on the WinXP box? |
| 15:28.08 | Whisky___ | stew: That's all left to do :s |
| 15:28.16 | Whisky___ | yay PerfDave to the rescue! |
| 15:28.28 | Whisky___ | PerfDave: 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:28.31 | Whisky___ | wait a minute |
| 15:28.36 | Whisky___ | ermmmm |
| 15:28.52 | abrotman | Whisky___: that's bad |
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| 15:29.04 | PerfDave | Whisky___: Uhm, that's not what I said :) |
| 15:29.09 | Whisky___ | PerfDave: 192.168.0.2 :| |
| 15:29.10 | abrotman | Whisky___: your linux box and XP box can't have the same IP |
| 15:29.11 | yoo | IO APIC |
| 15:29.11 | yoo | |
| 15:29.11 | yoo | Yes |
| 15:29.14 | Whisky___ | ok im safe |
| 15:29.22 | PerfDave | 15:28 < PerfDave> Whisky_: OK, now you want to set up your WinXP box with an IP address of 192.168.0.2, netmask 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.0.1 |
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| 15:29.35 | PerfDave | Whisky___: If you set two machines with the same IP address, things *will* break :) |
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| 15:29.44 | yoo | so i think my motherboard KT400 is Ok for ACPI |
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| 15:30.00 | Whisky___ | PerfDave: It was different, i said it wrong. Was set to .2 |
| 15:30.08 | stew | yoo: apic != acpi |
| 15:30.11 | DaViDeX | hi |
| 15:30.41 | Whisky___ | PerfDave: i figured WinXP will say "LAN connection established" for a few seconds even if there isnt a wire connected, heh |
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| 15:30.51 | dabaR | yo, peeps;) anyhow, I was wondering if one of you has a clue for me on making a picture snapshot out of a video file. |
| 15:30.56 | yoo | stew : oh yes |
| 15:30.57 | PerfDave | Whisky___: Oh, OK. Damn, it's not an easy answer. |
| 15:31.09 | Whisky___ | :p |
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| 15:31.16 | DaViDeX | How many debian 3.1 sarge cd I MUST to have?? I don't want to download all fourteen:( |
| 15:31.21 | znh | Does anyone know that installation that goes via floppy? |
| 15:31.24 | abrotman | didn't see that coming .. didja |
| 15:31.25 | PerfDave | DaViDeX: Read the Installation Manual |
| 15:31.26 | Whisky___ | david__: 1st |
| 15:31.26 | stew | DaViDeX: 1, or just a netinst |
| 15:31.34 | yoo | so i reboot |
| 15:31.40 | yoo | and look inmy bios |
| 15:31.42 | PerfDave | Whisky___: So to recap, you've got two machines - Debian on 192.168.0.1 and XP on 192.168.0.2, with a network cable between them, and no connection showing? |
| 15:31.52 | Whisky___ | Exactly. |
| 15:32.06 | Whisky___ | The guys at the office had the wires connected exactly like this but both machines were Windows. |
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| 15:32.19 | PerfDave | Whisky___: They were using the same cable to connect two Windows machines? |
| 15:32.23 | antgel | Whisky_: jumping in late, do you have a crossover cable? |
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| 15:32.29 | dabaR | make sure you give them both the same netmask. |
| 15:32.32 | Whisky___ | Yup, they gave dad the cable from their own setup. |
| 15:33.06 | antgel | Whisky_: open a command prompt on the winshit machine, and type ipconfig |
| 15:33.10 | stew | looks like he pulled the wrong cable |
| 15:33.22 | Whisky___ | antgel: ok :/ |
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| 15:33.41 | PerfDave | Whisky___: Hmm. It's possible the Windows machines had different network cards that could detect and correct that they were being networked incorrectly, but I'm not aware of any consumer-grade network cards which can do that :/ |
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| 15:34.15 | Whisky___ | ipconfig on the Win box says Media State...............Media Disconnected |
| 15:34.17 | FieldySnuts | what a penis. my boss has an error on the printer, and tells me not to print to it from linux any longer "because i only have that problem when you print to it", typical windows "admin" |
| 15:34.19 | DaViDeX | maybe debian don't show your netcard? |
| 15:34.22 | jetx | read the cable see if it has patch printed on it |
| 15:34.34 | antgel | Whisky___: it's the cable or the hardware |
| 15:34.40 | Whisky___ | PerfDave: lol they pwn :p |
| 15:34.42 | FieldySnuts | I suppose I get my own printer then, yay! |
| 15:34.55 | Whisky___ | antgel: Two Lan cards, connected by a cable. |
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| 15:35.04 | antgel | Whisky___: yes, that. |
| 15:35.20 | Whisky___ | PerfDave: I have a small karamba widget on my desktop, it shows eth1 as connected too. |
| 15:35.24 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: your boss .. not Mensa is he? |
| 15:35.26 | dabaR | well, his ipconfig is showing no IP on the windows... |
| 15:35.38 | PerfDave | Whisky___: Fundementally, something is broken. But without knowing what the cable is *supposed* to be, it's hard to say. |
| 15:35.43 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: no. |
| 15:35.53 | PerfDave | dabaR: Whisky___ said that he'd configured the IP 192.168.0.2 on the WinXP machine. |
| 15:36.00 | antgel | Whisky___: it ain't connected. if winshit says media disconnected, the cable is wrong, broken, or your hardware is. that's _it_. |
| 15:36.01 | stew | Whisky___: how long is the cable? is it 2 meters long or longer? or is it shorter than 2 meters? |
| 15:36.02 | PerfDave | Whisky___: BTW, type "/nick Whisky" into your IRC client :) |
| 15:36.11 | dabaR | Whisky___: when you type in ipconfig and hit enter in the prompt it does not say 192.168.0.2 anywhere? |
| 15:36.29 | stew | Whisky___: wait, do you get link lights on the cards? |
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| 15:36.37 | antgel | dabaR: the media is disconnected ffs |
| 15:36.51 | dabaR | so he has no ip, right? has to set up the windows better. |
| 15:37.01 | Whisky___ | omg so many messages :s |
| 15:37.04 | dabaR | ya |
| 15:37.08 | stew | dabaR: no, he has a layer 1/2 problem forget layer 3 and up |
| 15:37.10 | antgel | dabaR: nothing to do with that it's the fucking cable or hardware |
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| 15:37.16 | stew | Whisky_: how long is the cable? |
| 15:37.19 | antgel | for the umpteenth time |
| 15:37.28 | Whisky_ | That's what Ive been saying, eth1 doesn't have a light turned on! |
| 15:37.32 | Whisky_ | stew: around 20 meters |
| 15:37.34 | antgel | fuck this |
| 15:37.48 | dabaR | stew: dunno, to me it seems he has to have the IP anyhow. |
| 15:37.58 | dabaR | and, the cable has nothing to do with an IP address afaik |
| 15:38.18 | Whisky_ | This is soooooooo annoying :[ |
| 15:38.20 | antgel | dabaR: that's the problem. afayk. ydns! |
| 15:38.20 | dabaR | il bot windows. |
| 15:38.25 | dabaR | haha |
| 15:38.27 | dabaR | ok |
| 15:38.29 | dabaR | well see |
| 15:38.31 | Justin | Whisky_: um, you connected the computers directly with an ethernet cable? |
| 15:38.39 | Whisky_ | Justin: yeah |
| 15:38.40 | stew | Whisky_: you have a link light on one side, but not the other? |
| 15:38.53 | Justin | Whisky_: and um, did you use a CROSSOVER CABLE? |
| 15:39.24 | Whisky_ | stew: The card in the WinXP one is all inside, just the part where you insert the cable is out, can't see the light and no light on my side. |
| 15:39.26 | Whisky_ | Justin: no. |
| 15:39.37 | antgel | Whisky_: ffs, that's the fucking problem |
| 15:39.42 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 15:39.43 | PerfDave | Justin: Don't have a go at Whisky_, man. You don't know what's going on. We've already established that we don't know what type of cable it is, but that it's successfully been used to directly connect two Windows machines. |
| 15:40.00 | goccia | Whisky_: do you see your card in xp control-center or what is name ? |
| 15:40.04 | Whisky_ | antgel: Why do you have to be so abusive ? |
| 15:40.05 | stew | Whisky_: if you are sure its not a crossover cable, thats almost definately the problem |
| 15:40.13 | stew | Whisky_: just ignore him |
| 15:40.19 | antgel | PerfDave: if it's the same cable or if it's not broken. |
| 15:40.29 | stew | Whisky_: if you are not sure if its a crossover cable i can tell you how to tell |
| 15:40.35 | Guerin | but if it's already been used to connect two machines directly... |
| 15:40.37 | Whisky_ | stew: Sure. |
| 15:40.38 | PerfDave | antgel: Well, that's what Whisky_'s been told, that's the information we are working with. |
| 15:40.41 | Guerin | look at the connections |
| 15:40.54 | antgel | Whisky_: because you are ignoring the problem. media disconnected in windows indicates that there is a cable problem or other hardware fault. |
| 15:41.26 | antgel | Whisky_: but i do not mean to come across as abusive, it's hot and late in the day and i do apologise if i have caused offence |
| 15:41.30 | PerfDave | antgel: And we've already established that the cable has worked in another situation. It's illogical, but there you go :) |
| 15:41.30 | Justin | PerfDave: I believe apple laptops at least have nics with auto mdi/x |
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| 15:41.44 | PerfDave | Justin: That is one possibility which I have previously mentioned :) |
| 15:41.45 | antgel | PerfDave: perhaps the cable is now fucked? |
| 15:41.50 | Whisky_ | antgel: PerfDave's literally been trying *ALOT* to help me out for the last couple of hours, i think we've been through this. Ofcourse ! |
| 15:41.59 | Whisky_ | antgel: Its not damn it ! |
| 15:41.59 | Guerin | it takes a lot to fuck cat5e |
| 15:42.07 | PerfDave | antgel: If you're hot and bothered, then /part and chill out for a bit, really. |
| 15:42.09 | stew | Whisky_: hold the connector with the little platic tab thingy facing down, look at the colors of the left most two wires, then check the other connector, if the wires are the same color all the way on the left it is NOT a crossover cable |
| 15:42.19 | antgel | Whisky_: you got a cat5 tester? |
| 15:42.20 | PerfDave | antgel: No offence, but you're not likely to do anybody any good if you're pissed off :) |
| 15:42.29 | goccia | stew: i told him one hour ago |
| 15:42.34 | antgel | PerfDave: i understand, i already apologised |
| 15:42.53 | Whisky_ | No, I have no idea what a cat5 tester looks like. |
| 15:43.00 | Whisky_ | stew: ok, hang. Both ends of the same wire ? |
| 15:43.06 | antgel | Whisky_: if you can beg or borrow one, that would be good. |
| 15:43.16 | tosh | I have a .forward file but it doesn't seem to work. i want to pipe all mail of a certain account through a program. I have "|/home/user/bin/script.pl" in my .forward file. the mail is stored in my mailbox, but the .forward file isn't used? |
| 15:43.17 | PerfDave | Personally, I'd just go out and buy two bog-standard Cat5 cables and a switch. It's not expensive, and it's 99.9% certain to Just Work. It's not worth all this fucking around :) |
| 15:43.20 | abrotman | is it possible for a NIC to do the MDI/MDX thing ? |
| 15:43.25 | Guerin | best cat5 tester == known-functional pair of boxen |
| 15:43.26 | stew | Whisky_: yeah, if both ends have the colors in the same order it is NOT a crossover |
| 15:43.32 | PerfDave | abrotman: There's no reason why it shouldn't be :) |
| 15:43.44 | PerfDave | abrotman: I've not seen it in desktop-grade kit, only on servers. |
| 15:44.05 | petemc | tosh: which mta? |
| 15:44.10 | stew | PerfDave: all macs now are mdi mdix auto switching afaik |
| 15:44.11 | tosh | petemc sendmail |
| 15:44.16 | abrotman | PerfDave: yeah .. but no telling where he got the nic |
| 15:44.18 | PerfDave | stew: Yeah, I'm talking about real computers :) |
| 15:44.19 | petemc | tosh: pass |
| 15:44.29 | tosh | petemc :) |
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| 15:44.42 | stew | PerfDave: and recently i bought the cheapest 1000bt switch i could find and it was as well |
| 15:44.46 | Whisky_ | back |
| 15:44.57 | Whisky_ | stew: The brown wire is on the left at my side and on the right at the other end |
| 15:45.05 | Whisky_ | colors inverted at the other end |
| 15:45.11 | PerfDave | stew: Well, "cheapest 1000baseT switch" is not exactly the same as "cheapest 100baseT switch", is it? ;) |
| 15:45.25 | sciron | what's the URL for the fs comparisson? |
| 15:45.26 | Guerin | that makes it a crossover cable |
| 15:45.28 | stew | Whisky_: you had one of the connectors flipped over, the brown should have been all the way on the right both times no matter what |
| 15:45.31 | Guerin | !filesystems |
| 15:45.31 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 15:45.34 | sciron | tyvm |
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| 15:45.48 | Whisky_ | err ? |
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| 15:46.00 | Whisky_ | It wouldnt fit in the card if it was flipped over :| |
| 15:46.02 | stew | Guerin: no if it was a crossover the wire in posistion 0 would have moved to position 4 |
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| 15:46.11 | abrotman | Whisky_: http://gccprinters.com/support/doc/crossover.html .. double check |
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| 15:46.26 | Guerin | stew: hrm, i'll take your word since all mine are plugged in right now |
| 15:46.28 | abrotman | since .. what he said .. doesn't seem quite right |
| 15:46.31 | goccia | if i remember well it shouold be only one couple of wires in a different order |
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| 15:46.41 | Whisky_ | stew: ok let me check the exact colours again and say them accordingly |
| 15:46.41 | Whisky_ | brb |
| 15:46.43 | stew | Guerin: i've probably hand made 500 ethernet cables |
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| 15:46.47 | abrotman | 4 wires are switched .. the rest are not used |
| 15:46.49 | antgel | Whisky_: you need to be holding the plugs up next to each other, conductors facing the ceiling |
| 15:46.59 | dabaR | yup, you were right, it says that. |
| 15:47.03 | antgel | Whisky_: not conductors facing each other |
| 15:47.03 | abrotman | antgel: FLOOR .. not ceiling .. jeez |
| 15:47.12 | antgel | abrotman: lol |
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| 15:47.26 | stew | either way, as long as he does both side the same |
| 15:47.36 | Justin | Whisky_: what color is the ethernet cable? |
| 15:47.37 | Guerin | heh |
| 15:47.38 | antgel | stew: indeed |
| 15:47.38 | stew | Whisky_: and we don't care about the brown wires, we care about the orange and green |
| 15:47.46 | antgel | i'm very excited |
| 15:47.50 | abrotman | Justin: oh come on .. you know that shouldn't matter |
| 15:47.50 | Guerin | OMFG, i have a REVERSE-ETH cable! |
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| 15:47.57 | tuxJr_14 | hi |
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| 15:48.04 | Guerin | all the wores are in EXACT OPPOSITE order!!!1 |
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| 15:48.27 | stew | Guerin: if you want to use that cable you have to set your mtu to a negative value |
| 15:48.27 | abrotman | coke |
| 15:48.32 | Justin | abrotman: it depends, premade crossover cables(or at least every one I have around here) are usually red or orange |
| 15:48.37 | Whisky_ | Brown Orange Blue Green......That's on my side....brb, checking on the other |
| 15:48.37 | goccia | can i paste a url of a twisted cable ? |
| 15:48.43 | antgel | i'm trying to connect a pc and my kettle with token ring but it doesn't work |
| 15:48.44 | Guerin | stew: does that mean I get higher upload than download? |
| 15:48.49 | p8m-work | crosstalk! |
| 15:48.54 | abrotman | Justin: usually .. but i've also seen blue ones at bestbuy .. not sure who's bright idea that was :) |
| 15:49.04 | stew | Guerin: it means you are impervious to haxors |
| 15:49.17 | Morti | antgel: Are they both running Debian? |
| 15:49.20 | Guerin | stew: sweet thx d00d |
| 15:49.21 | Justin | abrotman: I've also seen a few premade ones that are clearly marked as crossover along the edge of the cable |
| 15:49.38 | Whisky_ | Orange Blue Green Brown |
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| 15:49.43 | abrotman | Justin: yeah .. but it could still be that it's blue/grey etc ... |
| 15:49.47 | Guerin | i have some cross which are red-tipped and some which are blue |
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| 15:49.54 | goccia | Whisky_: google for " ethernet twisted cable" the second from the top will show you a clear picture |
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| 15:50.00 | abrotman | Whisky_: your cable better have more than four wires .. and if it does .. learn how to name them |
| 15:50.03 | grigora | folks, I have been banging my head against this for a few hours and I don't understand why something that I do on a daily basis just stopped working, would it help if I pasted the output of "strace chroot ..."? thanks |
| 15:50.05 | abrotman | goccia: http://gccprinters.com/support/doc/crossover.html |
| 15:50.07 | Guerin | it's real confusing, i had to put different colours of gaffer tape to distinguish |
| 15:50.11 | Acerimusdux | I just looked at my own crossover - the two ends are switched - it's a crossover; otherwise the wires are all in the same position |
| 15:50.13 | abrotman | goccia: i already showed him that |
| 15:50.41 | antgel | Morti: no, the kettle runs ubuntu |
| 15:50.43 | goccia | abrotman: ops : i was lookig for it :) |
| 15:50.43 | Whisky_ | damn. Im exchausted :S |
| 15:50.51 | goccia | nggggg**** |
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| 15:51.42 | stew | Whisky_: you had one end flipped again, or its not an ethernet cable. but we'll just assumed you had it flipped in which case it sounds like a crossover to me |
| 15:52.08 | zuuluu1212 | anyone familiar with dfsbuild? it aborts with "Updating from local Packages files... cd: 1869: can't cd to /customcd/target/var/lib/apt/lists" |
| 15:52.08 | stew | i'm with PerfDave on that one |
| 15:52.23 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I was going to do the same, guests :( |
| 15:52.24 | Justin | PerfDave: preferably one with auto mdi/x ports, even harder to screw that up :-) |
| 15:52.39 | PerfDave | Justin: I've not seen auto mdi/x on cheap desktop kit :) |
| 15:52.47 | Whisky_ | anyway brb all |
| 15:52.50 | antgel | Whisky_: you could try playing with the cable, see if the light on the back of the pc flickers. |
| 15:52.52 | Whisky_ | ill be back in 30 minutes |
| 15:52.52 | dabaR | is crossover faster than a switch? |
| 15:52.59 | PerfDave | dabaR: Not noticably. |
| 15:53.03 | Whisky_ | it isnt :[ |
| 15:53.10 | Justin | PerfDave: I have a 5 port 100m switch I got for $0 after rebates that has auto ports :-) |
| 15:53.12 | dabaR | mine seems to be... |
| 15:53.26 | PerfDave | I mean, theoretically there'll be some microsecond latency on a switch, but it's really not anything you'd ever notice. |
| 15:53.46 | stew | but it should not affect throughput |
| 15:53.54 | dabaR | Justin: hate to bust the bubble, what personal infoo did you have to give for the rebate...:) I mean, may noot be applicable, it seems that is how they wwork... |
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| 15:53.57 | Justin | PerfDave: I'm using it at work as a media converter because the cisco switch under my desk doesn't have auto ports and I couldn't find a longer crossover cable :-) |
| 15:54.05 | antgel | dabaR: it's all up here <points to head> |
| 15:54.21 | dabaR | antgel: the seems part? |
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| 15:54.25 | Justin | dabaR: me? none, I had my dad get it for me at the time as a "present".. I always screw up the rebate forms :-) |
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| 15:54.36 | tosh | as debian has no real rc.local implementation... I need to load ip_conntrack_ftp at boot... where would I put this? |
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| 15:54.59 | dabaR | ya, I guess. Not that I could care if its 578 Mbps, or 678... |
| 15:55.01 | Guerin | !rc.local |
| 15:55.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 15:55.03 | rob_lt | tosh: I usually make an /etc/init.d/local file and add it using update-rc.d |
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| 15:55.31 | joju | hi ! in kde i cannot assign shotcuts to the windows keys? can on help me ? woody/kde3.1 |
| 15:55.39 | Justin | tosh: /etc/modules is where a sane person would put it |
| 15:55.50 | trilluser | quick simple question. is there a command to find out what version kernel you are using? |
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| 15:55.52 | Guerin | joju: woody and kde 3.1? WHY? |
| 15:55.57 | Guerin | trilluser: uname -a |
| 15:55.59 | antgel | tosh: as detailed above - you can edit /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 15:56.06 | trilluser | thx |
| 15:56.08 | antgel | Triffid_Hunter: uname -r |
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| 15:56.11 | antgel | doh |
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| 15:56.25 | joju | Guerin: installation is from my university |
| 15:56.25 | permee | hi peeps just dl'd debian 3.1 r0a and got a question about the installcd's |
| 15:56.33 | Guerin | joju: also, kde has exactly nothing to do with shortcut keyas - it's all X. /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 15:56.42 | Guerin | joju: that's just sick |
| 15:57.00 | permee | dl'd iso 1 and 2 now i need the 2.6.8 kernel is it on those cd's? |
| 15:57.09 | Guerin | permee: yes |
| 15:57.20 | permee | thanks guerin |
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| 15:57.26 | wwallace | how do i increment the number of commands the system saves when i clikc the arrows from console |
| 15:57.27 | Guerin | permee: read the screen you get when you boot for instructions |
| 15:57.43 | Guerin | wwallace: wtf are you on about? |
| 15:57.50 | permee | do i get the option to install 2.6.8 at install? |
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| 15:57.56 | abrotman | wwallace: it's a bash option |
| 15:57.58 | antgel | permee: type linux26 |
| 15:58.03 | Guerin | permee: wouldn't be much use if you didn't |
| 15:58.03 | PerfDave | permee: Yes, read the Installation Manual or the help screen on boot. |
| 15:58.09 | wwallace | abrotman: right where do i edit that? |
| 15:58.13 | abrotman | HISTFILESIZE |
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| 15:58.21 | abrotman | wwallace: systemwide or just for you ? |
| 15:58.27 | permee | okay people thanks very much,will install right away,see ya later |
| 15:58.31 | wwallace | system wide lets say |
| 15:58.32 | abrotman | and HISTSIZE |
| 15:58.40 | Guerin | abrotman: how did you figure out what he meant by 'clikc the arrows from console'? |
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| 15:58.43 | wwallace | exactly hitssize |
| 15:58.44 | joju | Guerin: xkeykabs knows when the key is pressed, but kcontrol, doesnot recognise keypresses |
| 15:58.46 | abrotman | wwallace: /etc/profile |
| 15:58.48 | wwallace | where is that at? |
| 15:58.57 | abrotman | Guerin: i assumed he meant bash history |
| 15:59.04 | dabaR | hmm...what is a good enough, so it works great, computer hw configuration for a web/ftp/ssh/dhcp(ip forwarding, I guess router type thing) server for personal use? really recreational, just for myself here... |
| 15:59.12 | Guerin | joju: i defined it in my .xsession |
| 15:59.21 | abrotman | wwallace: /etc/profile |
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| 15:59.28 | joju | Guerin: how you did it ? |
| 15:59.30 | Guerin | dabaR: sarge |
| 15:59.37 | dabaR | hw |
| 15:59.44 | korhalf | i have an issue with split |
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| 15:59.45 | korhalf | i read the manual |
| 15:59.50 | korhalf | yet i cant find a way to specify an extension |
| 15:59.50 | wwallace | abrotman: thank you |
| 15:59.55 | Guerin | joju: xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key' & |
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| 15:59.56 | korhalf | i want to split a huge mp3 file, into smaller ones |
| 15:59.58 | wwallace | and thanks to the others |
| 16:00.05 | korhalf | without having to rename all of them with the .mp3 extension |
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| 16:00.13 | dabaR | like what processor would be good, a p3 with like 128 ram, would that work nice, anyone have experience? |
| 16:00.19 | dabaR | any0ne |
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| 16:00.50 | Guerin | korhalf: split foo bar && rename 's/$/.mp3/ filename.*' |
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| 16:01.13 | Guerin | dabaR: 486 with 32 should work alright |
| 16:01.34 | korhalf | Guerin, foo bar = the name of the mp3 right? |
| 16:01.35 | joju | Geurin: I did that in an xterm, and tried to assign hotkey to the left windows key+(some key) but it kcontrol did not rekognize it ? |
| 16:01.39 | goccia | dabaR: i use a PII 400 196 ram and i prefere it to the f* xeon 3giga : it is more relaxing |
| 16:01.40 | dabaR | ya? great, and no glitches whatsoever you think? so I can go for anything pretty much for a server of that sort? |
| 16:01.47 | PerfDave | dabaR: Uhm, I use a Pentium with 24Mb RAM for that :) |
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| 16:01.57 | joju | Geurin: what desktop environment you use ? |
| 16:02.03 | Guerin | korhalf: whatever your options are to split, I don't recall the syntax offhand |
| 16:02.08 | Guerin | joju: evilwm |
| 16:02.48 | joju | Guerin: some other hints you can give for that problem ? |
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| 16:03.31 | Guerin | joju: perhaps kde grabs that keystroke, I dunno. Should work if you just run it from the shell, though. Presuming that keystroke matches the key; check xev to be sure |
| 16:03.36 | PerfDave | korhalf: Do you want your mp3s to be *playable* after they're split? |
| 16:03.40 | dabaR | PerfDave: ya, I guess I can then forward ports and that stuff on it, that will be fun to learn...but basically, there is no reason for it to slow down my Internet connection, ya, actually, that makes sense, the other comp will be as fast for whatever, and the Internet connection has to go down a bit, hm...Ill get a cheap one somewhere... |
| 16:03.47 | korhalf | PerfDave: Yes! |
| 16:03.52 | korhalf | PerfDave: it doesnt matter what they're called |
| 16:03.56 | Guerin | actually, I think 117 is right windows key (menu key) on my machine |
| 16:03.56 | korhalf | as long as they have a .mp3 extension |
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| 16:04.01 | PerfDave | korhalf: Then "split" isn't really the right tool for this job. |
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| 16:04.07 | korhalf | PerfDave: what is? |
| 16:04.13 | PerfDave | korhalf: No idea, I don't use MP3s. |
| 16:04.18 | korhalf | oh., |
| 16:04.31 | Zizou | Hi...I just install debian first cd...and I have a problem with the ethernet card...it supose to be a rtl8139 but I thik I dont have the mnodule... |
| 16:04.40 | PerfDave | korhalf: split is used for splitting data so it fits onto floppies etc. I doubt that the segments you get will be recognisable or playable as MP3 files. |
| 16:04.41 | korhalf | anyone have an idea how to properly split a mp3 |
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| 16:04.52 | korhalf | please |
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| 16:04.53 | stew | korhalf: open it with audacity |
| 16:04.54 | Zizou | Ho do I do..I need to acces internet to get the rest of the packages for my sistem |
| 16:04.57 | Justin | !tell korhalf about search |
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| 16:05.00 | PerfDave | korhalf: "apt-cache search mp3 split" |
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| 16:05.21 | goccia | korhalf: audacity ? |
| 16:05.30 | korhalf | audacitys weak |
| 16:05.33 | korhalf | i dont want to edit everything |
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| 16:05.37 | korhalf | i want a quicker way |
| 16:05.46 | PerfDave | Plus audacity will involve re-encoding, I expect, which will lose quality. |
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| 16:05.50 | PerfDave | korhalf: "apt-cache search mp3 split" |
| 16:05.57 | korhalf | i did |
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| 16:06.08 | korhalf | mp3splt - Splits MP3 and Ogg Vorbis files without reencoding |
| 16:06.12 | PerfDave | korhalf: Then you should see a utility to do what you want :) |
| 16:06.19 | korhalf | its perfect |
| 16:06.21 | PerfDave | korhalf: So install it already. |
| 16:06.21 | qzio | hi there. Wich apt-packet do I want if i want support for the struct (libnet_ip_hdr)? |
| 16:06.26 | korhalf | i am.. |
| 16:06.27 | korhalf | relax lol |
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| 16:07.01 | Spherical` | Hi, is there any upto date guides on compiling a Debian-specific kernel? Last time I remember the use of kpkg was required is this still the case? |
| 16:07.05 | Guerin | hrm |
| 16:07.08 | korhalf | wcb: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marilliat_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 16:07.12 | Guerin | split actually works, though |
| 16:07.13 | korhalf | fuck these stupid marillat errors |
| 16:07.14 | joju | Guerin: okay, thx, 117 is the Context-Menu-Key, that KDE can assign already, with 115 and 117 i have problems (Windows Left, Windows Right) That should be Super_L/R AFAIK ? |
| 16:07.25 | korhalf | can someone give me a source that works for marillat?! |
| 16:07.25 | Guerin | joju: hell if I know |
| 16:07.42 | joju | Guerin: thx anyway :) |
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| 16:07.45 | Guerin | korhalf: apt-get update |
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| 16:07.55 | PerfDave | korhalf: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:08.02 | Whisky_ | back |
| 16:08.04 | Whisky_ | im going PerfDave |
| 16:08.09 | PerfDave | Spherical`: You don't *need* to use make-kpkg, it just makes life about a million times easier :) |
| 16:08.09 | Whisky_ | 100mb switch and what cables? |
| 16:08.17 | Guerin | Spherical`: use of make-kpkg has never been REQUIRED, but it's a really stupid idea not to use a script that does all the work for you |
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| 16:08.23 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Just two bog-standard Cat5 network cables. Not crossover :) |
| 16:08.29 | Spherical` | ok :) |
| 16:08.31 | Whisky_ | ok :D |
| 16:08.32 | Whisky_ | bye |
| 16:08.45 | Spherical` | Is the 2002 documentation still usable? |
| 16:08.47 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Tata :) |
| 16:08.52 | Spherical` | (I.e. for kpkg) |
| 16:08.58 | PerfDave | Spherical`: Should be. Why are you compiling anyway? |
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| 16:09.26 | Spherical` | PerfDave, I have some patches that I want to apply to my kernel for better memory management. |
| 16:09.35 | PerfDave | Spherical`: Fuck me, a good reason :) |
| 16:10.03 | Spherical` | :) As always. |
| 16:10.10 | Zizou | How can get the rtl8139 module? and how do I installit? |
| 16:10.14 | Guerin | Spherical`: as never, in this channel. |
| 16:10.15 | LSorensen | Spherical`: what makes it better memory management? |
| 16:10.17 | d | :D |
| 16:10.19 | ixion | could someone lend a hand? I'm getting: /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx: error while loading shared libraries: libXtst.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:10.31 | LSorensen | Zizou: the kernel already includes 8139too |
| 16:10.32 | d | does anyone know a good guide to get ATI drivers working? |
| 16:10.36 | Guerin | Zizou: you don't, and it is. You want 8139too and/or 8139cp |
| 16:10.37 | ixion | running the vmware-config.pl script |
| 16:10.42 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 16:10.42 | dpkg | well, ati debs is http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 16:10.55 | d | perfect, thx |
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| 16:11.04 | Zizou | LSorensen, is for a machine that has instaled just the first debian cd...and doesnt get my card |
| 16:11.13 | abrotman | !find libXtst.so.6 |
| 16:11.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libXtst.so.6' (2): (/usr/X11R6/lib/{libXtst.so.6|libXtst.so.6.1}) in libs/libxtst6 ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/debug/{libXtst.so.6|libXtst.so.6.1}) in libdevel/libxtst6-dbg. |
| 16:11.34 | ixion | woah, wtf does that mean |
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| 16:11.40 | Lanz | Hey guys, how can I make my Debian box a samba server so windows clients can read/write to a share on its drive? |
| 16:11.51 | Zizou | LSorensen, and I do modprobe to see If I had the module but dont... |
| 16:11.55 | PerfDave | Lanz: apt-cache search samba |
| 16:11.57 | LSorensen | Zizou: using 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:12.01 | Zizou | 2.4 |
| 16:12.06 | LSorensen | Zizou: so modprobe 8139too doesn't work? |
| 16:12.13 | LSorensen | Zizou: any reason not to use 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:12.22 | Spherical` | I haven't written the patch myself LSorensen but it improves the efficiency of management. |
| 16:12.32 | LSorensen | Lanz: apt-get install samba samba-doc; then man smb.conf |
| 16:12.33 | korhalf | wcb: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 16:12.35 | Zizou | LSorensen, Where can I get the firs debian cd with 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:12.41 | LSorensen | Spherical`: if you say so. :) |
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| 16:12.43 | Spherical` | I don't know whether this is a bug in Debian but my Firefox etc seems to keep closing recently. |
| 16:12.53 | LSorensen | Zizou: it already has it. just type linux26 at the boot: prompt |
| 16:13.00 | ixion | perhaps a bug in firefox :p |
| 16:13.06 | mcmanus | Anyone using an nvidia card? I'm using the 2.6 kernel, but nvidia-kernel-source seems to want a 2.4 kernel (I'm using 3.1 stable) |
| 16:13.10 | PerfDave | korhalf: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 16:13.11 | Spherical` | Well it happens with Xchat too :) |
| 16:13.12 | LSorensen | Spherical`: mine does that a lot if I have flash plugin in use |
| 16:13.13 | ixion | abrotman, what am I supposed to do with that output from dpkg? |
| 16:13.19 | PerfDave | mcmanus: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:13.19 | wwallace | abrotman: how many commands are saved by default? |
| 16:13.20 | abrotman | ixion: install the package |
| 16:13.21 | Zizou | LSorensen, you mean before to get in in the instalation? |
| 16:13.21 | stew | mcmanus: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:13.22 | LSorensen | mcmanus: works fine here using 2.6 |
| 16:13.25 | Spherical` | LSorensen, that's exactly when it happens :) |
| 16:13.26 | wwallace | LSorensen: hi |
| 16:13.29 | abrotman | wwallace: `set` will tell you |
| 16:13.39 | LSorensen | Spherical`: the flash plugin is terrible |
| 16:14.19 | ixion | abrotman, ok, ill see what I can find that looks similar to that |
| 16:14.29 | wwallace | LSorensen: long time ago u help me alot thank u again we se my network card and my sound card we also add my 6 hd's to the fstab we also share them in the network thanks again |
| 16:14.34 | LSorensen | Zizou: yes. it's an installer boot option |
| 16:14.38 | abrotman | !tell ixion about search |
| 16:14.39 | mcmanus | stew: excellent! thanks! |
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| 16:14.48 | LSorensen | Zizou: like the lovely documentation it tells you about at the boot prompt has in it :) |
| 16:14.51 | Zizou | LSorensen, ok thenks man |
| 16:15.05 | LSorensen | Zizou: I have used the garbage 8139 before, so it should work. |
| 16:15.09 | ixion | I can search, its just that I've already tried that and the results I get back from apt-cache are a bit random |
| 16:15.15 | goccia | Spherical`: i keeep the flash-killer extension running all the time :) |
| 16:15.39 | Petaris | Anyone here use enlightenment for there window manager? |
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| 16:16.41 | wwallace | abrotman: this is my .profile i dont see set i dont see HISTSIZE: |
| 16:16.44 | wwallace | http://pastebin.com/327645 |
| 16:17.37 | ixion | oic I can search for files used by a specific package :) |
| 16:17.45 | Spherical` | Petaris, yes I do. |
| 16:17.47 | ixion | if that makes any sense how I typed it |
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| 16:18.48 | wwallace | abrotman: ? |
| 16:18.48 | abrotman | wwallace: you have to set it in there |
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| 16:18.59 | wwallace | where i dont see it? |
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| 16:19.07 | abrotman | wwallace: you like export VAR = value |
| 16:19.15 | abrotman | wwallace: add it .. ? |
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| 16:19.28 | stew | abrotman: without the extra spaces :) |
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| 16:19.50 | Zizou | LSorensen, hey..but it happens the same with this kernel... |
| 16:19.51 | abrotman | stew: well .. whatever .. he could read man bash :)( |
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| 16:20.19 | Zizou | LSorensen, in the instalation when is configuring dhcp tel me an error |
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| 16:20.40 | Zizou | LSorensen, doenst conect |
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| 16:21.09 | JarJarBinks | hi my system is currently downloading 180 mb of packages to install, but I only have 64 MB space left, can I tell apt-get to download and install one package at the time |
| 16:21.21 | mh01 | I'm looking for precompiled cc or gcc binaries (need compilers) -- apt-get is broken on this machine. Anyone know where to get them? |
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| 16:21.38 | antgel | mh01: you can get them via packages.debian.org |
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| 16:21.42 | wwallace | how do i print man bash? |
| 16:21.57 | antgel | mh01: assuming that dpkg works, that is |
| 16:22.06 | mh01 | Thanks. I'd just download the .dep and dpkg -i? |
| 16:22.08 | antgel | wwallace: man bash | lpr |
| 16:22.14 | antgel | mh01: .deb |
| 16:22.16 | kittenbot | a2ps ? |
| 16:22.19 | wwallace | my printer is a network printer |
| 16:22.20 | mh01 | Typo :) |
| 16:22.29 | wwallace | is ok? |
| 16:22.47 | antgel | wwallace: try it and see, it's ok if you can normally print with lpr |
| 16:22.48 | XYTTY | are you french? |
| 16:23.02 | Zizou | Why does my debian instalation doesnt configure my dhcp? either with 2.4 or 2.6 kernel...my card supose to be an rtl8139 |
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| 16:23.33 | abrotman | !qotd114 |
| 16:23.33 | dpkg | qotd114 is probably <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 16:23.48 | wwallace | modprobe rtl8139 |
| 16:23.49 | Lur | hi |
| 16:24.00 | antgel | wwallace: actually, i think i had to decrease the number of colums otherwise it looked silly with lines wrapping. |
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| 16:24.14 | Lur | anyone here know anything about ndiswrapper? |
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| 16:24.20 | wwallace | hmn? |
| 16:24.30 | stew | !ndiswrapper |
| 16:24.30 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is, like, a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 16:24.31 | Zizou | LSorensen, are u there? |
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| 16:24.43 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:24.43 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:24.55 | antgel | wwalace: COLUMNS=78; man bash | lpr |
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| 16:25.14 | Lur | every time I reboot, I have to do iwconfig (insert encryption key here), then go to the network thing in gnome and activate the wireless setup |
| 16:25.28 | Lur | it's a nuisance |
| 16:25.31 | stew | Lur: man interfaces |
| 16:25.39 | wwallace | antgel: thank you i'll try |
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| 16:26.02 | kadigibox | Anyone have a suggestion for a low cost color laser printer that is very compatible with Linux? |
| 16:26.10 | antgel | wwallace: you might not need to set COLUMNS |
| 16:26.15 | kadigibox | in particular CUPS |
| 16:26.16 | wwallace | antgel: ok |
| 16:26.24 | Lur | ok, thanks |
| 16:26.55 | antgel | kadigibox: not the lowest cost but we have a samsung clp-550n. colour, duplex, ethernet, about £300. but any postscript printer is going to be painless |
| 16:27.14 | wwallace | http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi |
| 16:27.16 | antgel | kadigibox: the clp is postscript as well |
| 16:27.43 | kadigibox | Thank you antgel |
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| 16:27.59 | FieldySnuts | dorks. |
| 16:28.26 | wwallace | FieldySnuts: whats a dork? |
| 16:28.34 | pureone | hehe |
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| 16:28.55 | FieldySnuts | 69.5% of this channel |
| 16:28.58 | wwallace | hey pureone |
| 16:29.03 | wwallace | how are you? |
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| 16:29.13 | kadigibox | antgel, nice. its not too bad in price |
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| 16:29.16 | pureone | im good :) |
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| 16:29.27 | pureone | how are you? |
| 16:29.33 | wwallace | ok |
| 16:29.37 | wwallace | still learning |
| 16:30.04 | wwallace | is sussudio still around in this 3? |
| 16:30.08 | wwallace | # |
| 16:30.13 | antgel | kadigibox: even comes with cups .ppd files. didn't bother with samsung's setup software. works perfectly. |
| 16:30.33 | kadigibox | antgel, you know an aproximate cost per page with that machine? |
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| 16:30.44 | sussudio | oh good. it's the ban evader fucktard. |
| 16:30.47 | yoo | stew, no my bios is well configured for ACPI |
| 16:30.54 | wwallace | i have to go look for my spoon |
| 16:31.00 | mbuf | can i ask on feather linux and syslinux or is there any other channel for it? |
| 16:31.07 | antgel | kadigibox: we don't print enough to care too much. |
| 16:31.14 | wwallace | im out of here' |
| 16:31.18 | wwallace | bye and thanks |
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| 16:31.35 | sussudio | why isn't he k-lined? |
| 16:31.48 | kadigibox | oh well it should be cheaper then inkjet or bubble jet |
| 16:32.09 | antgel | kadigibox: way cheaper. |
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| 16:32.20 | kadigibox | and alot faster |
| 16:32.41 | yoo | If somebody know why my/proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty, please tell me ! |
| 16:32.54 | d | f |
| 16:32.55 | yoo | ps : i do modprobe thermal |
| 16:33.00 | yoo | :) |
| 16:33.10 | antgel | kadigibox: indeed |
| 16:33.18 | coreyo | since I upgraded to the 2.6.12-1 kernel, my laptop's swappable dvd drive is no longer recognized. Any suggestions for modules or options to try? |
| 16:33.21 | Lanz | Ok I made a bit of progress with smb. when I open Konqueror and type smb:/ my desktop shows up and it shows up on another Debian system too. |
| 16:33.25 | Lanz | How can I share files? |
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| 16:34.31 | Justin | Lanz: the default samba configuration already shares your home directory |
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| 16:34.53 | Lanz | Well when I click on the desktop's entry from the other computer... I see nothing. |
| 16:34.57 | Lanz | It doesn't open it. |
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| 16:35.37 | degaf | my debian can't shut down automatically... can u help me? |
| 16:35.42 | thingfish | Applications>Network Servers always works for me, no configuration required. |
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| 16:36.18 | antgel | degaf: you mean switch off automatically? install acpi |
| 16:36.24 | degaf | yeah |
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| 16:36.40 | d | !firewire |
| 16:36.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, firewire is Apple's name for the connection also known as Sony i.Link and IEEE1394. A fast 400Mbit/sec (or 800mbit/sec) connection, designed for transferring large data streams. Also suitable for network connections. See http://www.linux1394.org/ |
| 16:36.40 | degaf | acpi? is it a package? |
| 16:36.48 | antgel | !acpi |
| 16:36.48 | dpkg | well, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 16:37.31 | d | !tell d IEEE1394 |
| 16:37.40 | d | hm |
| 16:37.43 | d | !tell d about IEEE1394 |
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| 16:38.28 | Yevgeniy | just message the bot |
| 16:38.51 | euth | if I install i386 Debian on an amd64 machine, am I likely to run into any problems? Can I later get full 64 bit support by upgrading the kernel to an amd64 kernel and adding a few libraries? |
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| 16:39.29 | antgel | euth: no to first question, not sure about second. |
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| 16:39.44 | Lanz | No progress with smb... |
| 16:39.46 | oKtosiTe | Does anyone know where I can find some info on setting Debian up as a router? |
| 16:39.54 | antgel | !tell euth about amd64 |
| 16:39.59 | Lanz | Can someone send me a sample smb.conf? |
| 16:40.14 | Lanz | Maybe mine is just horribly wrong ;) |
| 16:41.11 | takatumi | laptop on lap for long time, scrotal heat, any issues? |
| 16:41.13 | Justin | Lanz: did you change your smb.conf? |
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| 16:41.25 | lewis | hi |
| 16:41.42 | cougar` | Could anyone tell me how do I password protect and encrypt a file? I a rather personal file that I would like to do the a fore mentioned with. |
| 16:41.56 | Justin | cougar`: gpg ? |
| 16:42.02 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.06 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.14 | lewis | what do I have to have apart from installed and working nvidia module, to have mplayer detecting xv driver during ./configure ? |
| 16:42.16 | cougar` | gpg? |
| 16:42.29 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.33 | takatumi | lewis: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 16:43.05 | takatumi | Lanz: don't we all, read the docs. |
| 16:43.44 | Justin | Lanz: purge and reinstall samba. don't change the config this time |
| 16:43.55 | Lanz | K. |
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| 16:44.00 | Lanz | Ill try that. |
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| 16:44.07 | cougar` | Justin : What is gpg? |
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| 16:44.27 | znh | How big is debian's base installation? |
| 16:44.34 | znh | *base system |
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| 16:44.58 | takatumi | cougar`: apt-cache show gnupg |
| 16:45.11 | cougar` | ahhhh |
| 16:45.24 | cougar` | I was searchin for gpg |
| 16:45.32 | znh | such a easy question.. and nobody knows it? |
| 16:45.36 | antgel | Lanz: if you can't browse on a winshit box, make sure there is no "personal" i.e. shit firewall running, including ms's own internet connection firewall (that's on xp) |
| 16:45.39 | takatumi | cougar`: that'll work too, apt-cache search gpg |
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| 16:45.56 | Lanz | K. |
| 16:46.03 | takatumi | znh: ~250MB iirc |
| 16:46.19 | znh | takatumi: ah just a bit too large for my 260MB laptop disk then |
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| 16:47.17 | takatumi | znh: you could try and squeeze it in, but I would recommend obsd for something that small. |
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| 16:47.30 | znh | I'll try DSL, i have that already on CD |
| 16:47.32 | znh | that's only 50megs |
| 16:47.38 | lewis | takatumi: ok, I can add this repository to my sources.list, bud what do I have to install next? |
| 16:47.52 | lewis | it just simply does not detect xv |
| 16:48.12 | takatumi | lewis: don't know about xv, but it works fine here. |
| 16:48.17 | lewis | ;]]] |
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| 16:48.29 | antgel | lewis: apt-cache search mplayer |
| 16:48.30 | lewis | that's what I was asking about... the *xv* ;/ |
| 16:48.45 | antgel | lewis: apt-get update first |
| 16:48.49 | hyde | lewis: xv is already compiled into marillat's mplayer |
| 16:49.00 | antgel | lewis: then apt-get mplayer-<arch> |
| 16:49.00 | lewis | but I want to compile it myself |
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| 16:49.11 | lewis | and thats the only thing I don't kno |
| 16:49.15 | antgel | lewis: you sure? |
| 16:49.15 | hyde | lewis: why would you want to do that |
| 16:49.16 | takatumi | !gentoosmite lewis |
| 16:49.22 | lewis | antgel: yes |
| 16:49.42 | astronut | !ubuntusmite astronut |
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| 16:49.56 | lewis | hyde: because there's exactly what I want, ot works better, faster, and apt-geted mplayer doesn't work in here |
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| 16:50.19 | lewis | I know there may be another, better apt source, but I just want to make it by myself |
| 16:50.21 | Morti | Anyone know if it's possible to sync Outlook and Evolution? |
| 16:50.25 | antgel | lewis: if i was still in a pissy mood, i'd say that if you can make that decision, you should be able to build the thing ;) |
| 16:50.34 | lewis | nvm, anyways, what does xv need? |
| 16:50.43 | antgel | lewis: where were you getting apt-get mplayer from? |
| 16:51.02 | hyde | lewis: marillat's packages are pretty decent as is, i'm sure you'd have an easier time gettin those packages to work rather than compiling it yourself |
| 16:51.13 | hyde | lewis: but suit yourself |
| 16:51.23 | Morti | lewis: libx11-dev |
| 16:51.26 | Morti | IIRC |
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| 16:51.36 | Morti | xlibs-dev also good. |
| 16:51.37 | lewis | antgel: leave apt-get.. really, even if I'd managed to properly apt-get it, it would still bother me, why couldn't it see xv in the first place |
| 16:51.48 | takatumi | lewis: no harm in compiling, godspeed. :) |
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| 16:51.52 | Morti | Or just apt-cache search xv lib dev |
| 16:51.53 | antgel | lewis: i know what you mean |
| 16:51.57 | hyde | lewis: maybe your x isn't configured for xv? |
| 16:51.59 | lewis | Morti: I do have libx11-dev |
| 16:52.08 | micnet | teste... |
| 16:52.12 | lewis | also extmod enabled and loading properly in my xorg.conf |
| 16:52.17 | antgel | !test |
| 16:52.17 | dpkg | No, antgel, you're not online any more. |
| 16:52.19 | hyde | lewis: does xvinfo give you anything? |
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| 16:52.38 | antgel | hyde: would that matter at _compile_ time? |
| 16:52.43 | lewis | hyde: yes it does, a whole lot of things |
| 16:52.44 | antgel | hmm |
| 16:52.46 | antgel | !teste |
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| 16:52.56 | hyde | antgel: he'd need the headers for compiling, we're talking about the marillat debs atm |
| 16:52.58 | lewis | I have Xorg running on nvidia right now |
| 16:53.06 | dsw | how do I disable the synaptics touchpad for just one X user? Debian Sarge/stable, laptop |
| 16:53.12 | hyde | lewis: did you actually try using -vo xv when calling mplayer? |
| 16:53.21 | antgel | hyde: i thought it was his compile that couldn't see xv. i don't think he has a working binary. |
| 16:53.21 | lewis | hyde: indeed |
| 16:53.25 | antgel | ok |
| 16:53.29 | astronut | how do i get apt to automatically use apt-listchanges? |
| 16:53.30 | antgel | misunderstood |
| 16:53.38 | astronut | apt-get* |
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| 16:53.59 | tikka | Sorry to be a pain but I am looking for information to understand .dsc packages |
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| 16:54.31 | hyde | lewis: and it "just doesn't work" -- no error messages? |
| 16:54.35 | lewis | antgel: I do have working binary, it just won't run anything throug -vo xv |
| 16:54.47 | lewis | hyde: let me translate it.. .it's in polish ;] |
| 16:55.15 | lewis | "error opening/initialisation of chosen video device (-vo)" |
| 16:55.24 | lewis | and the command line is: |
| 16:55.35 | lewis | /usr/local/bin/mplayer Lisbon\ Story\ \(1994\)\ -\ Wim\ Wenders.avi -vo xv |
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| 16:55.47 | tug | hi |
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| 16:55.49 | hyde | oh i thought we were talking about marrilat's debs |
| 16:56.00 | hyde | which don't install into local |
| 16:56.01 | lewis | no no.. the latest source from mplayerhq.hu |
| 16:56.16 | hyde | lewis: that's what i'm telling you, you'd have a much easier time just using his debs |
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| 16:56.35 | hyde | lewis: mplayer has quite a few dependencies to get right |
| 16:56.40 | hyde | lewis: if compiling |
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| 16:57.03 | lewis | :< |
| 16:57.28 | valdyn | lewis: if you used the debs then it would probably 'Xv: could not grab port 270' and just use a different output method.. |
| 16:57.51 | tug | Hooray |
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| 16:57.54 | antgel | lol |
| 16:57.58 | tug | I almost have a fully functioning system |
| 16:58.00 | valdyn | lewis: but as it looks you possibly simply didnt compile in xv support |
| 16:58.03 | catch | Hi all, if I am using ubuntu hoary, and I need a package from ubuntu breezy installed, can someone point me to the best way of doing it please? |
| 16:58.04 | hyde | i would go further and say the xv would probably just work |
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| 16:58.19 | nkuttler | catch: #ubuntu |
| 16:58.21 | antgel | did i kill dpkg? |
| 16:58.36 | catch | nkuttler : yeah they don't bother replying :( |
| 16:58.41 | antgel | i was just doing some /msg dpkg helps |
| 16:58.45 | tug | Is there a way to install drivers that aren't listed ? |
| 16:58.51 | antgel | !tell catch about ubuntu |
| 16:59.02 | goccia | ahhhh freenode ... debian .... Wim\ Wenders.avi ... : nirvana |
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| 16:59.17 | lewis | valdyn: yes, I know, the question is, how can I compile it in? |
| 16:59.21 | lewis | goccia: :> |
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| 16:59.40 | goccia | lewis: :) |
| 16:59.44 | valdyn | lewis: thats offtopic, try mplayers irc channel or use the debs.. |
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| 17:00.00 | Yevgeniy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.02 | lewis | what's mplayers irc # ? |
| 17:00.03 | Yevgeniy | poor fellow |
| 17:00.19 | Whisky_ | omg im back |
| 17:00.28 | Whisky_ | with a switch and 2*35 meter wires :P |
| 17:00.31 | lewis | oh |
| 17:00.38 | lewis | the #mplayer persumably ;] |
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| 17:00.56 | valdyn | lewis: that asid, that compile option is probably dependent on the availability of the appropriate headers. ( apt-get build-dep mplayer , after adding the marillat sources ) |
| 17:01.20 | lewis | oh, that could be the solution |
| 17:01.21 | Whisky_ | now where's PerfDave |
| 17:01.21 | lewis | thx valdyn |
| 17:01.31 | abrotman | PerfDave: hide! |
| 17:01.43 | Whisky_ | :O |
| 17:01.47 | Whisky_ | lol abrotman :p |
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| 17:02.09 | goccia | 2*35 meter ? quite kinky :) |
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| 17:02.18 | Whisky_ | kinky? |
| 17:02.28 | Whisky_ | 2 wires, each 35 meters :p |
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| 17:02.50 | igge | how can I get a new IP address via DHCP (like doing ipconfig /renew in windows)? |
| 17:02.55 | hyde | still don't understand why you'd want to build your own packages over marillats |
| 17:03.17 | kitty-kun | Hey |
| 17:03.21 | abrotman | igge: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:03.22 | kitty-kun | how DO you build packages? |
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| 17:03.33 | stew | kitty-kun: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 17:03.37 | Whisky_ | now i'll be needing professional guidance, like, ermmm........ abrotman !!! :D |
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| 17:04.14 | abrotman | Whisky_: plug everything in .. done |
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| 17:05.09 | Whisky_ | Everything in = Place switch in the mid, get one wire from the XP card to the switch and put it in port 2. Get another wire from eth0 on my box and put it in port 1 ??? |
| 17:05.30 | abrotman | whatever port1 is .. sure |
| 17:05.53 | Whisky_ | like it's a 8 port switch |
| 17:05.57 | antgel | Whisky_: any port |
| 17:05.59 | lewis | shoot me.. please |
| 17:06.05 | lewis | ;]]] libxv-dev |
| 17:06.08 | Whisky_ | k |
| 17:06.09 | abrotman | !shoot lewis |
| 17:06.09 | lewis | :* thx all |
| 17:06.10 | antgel | !shoot lewis |
| 17:06.15 | Whisky_ | looooooool |
| 17:06.15 | antgel | lol |
| 17:06.16 | bluefox83 | how can i remove all the spaces in the filenames of files with a specific extension? |
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| 17:06.34 | igge | abrotman: thanks alot! |
| 17:06.40 | abrotman | yay |
| 17:06.44 | lewis | bye |
| 17:06.48 | Justin | bluefox83: man rename? |
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| 17:07.02 | bluefox83 | Justin, i want to do it to a lot of files, not just one.. |
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| 17:07.16 | Klowner | anyone care to give me permission to beat my friend with a cluebat after asking why "apt-get install ./coldfusion-70-lin.bin -i silent" doesn't work? |
| 17:07.20 | bluefox83 | nevermind.. |
| 17:07.31 | Lanz | Ok I reinstalled samba and have it set to share the home directories. |
| 17:07.33 | Justin | bluefox83: good thing the rename program can do that then eh? |
| 17:07.35 | abrotman | Klowner: because CF sucks ? |
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| 17:07.41 | Justin | Lanz: it already shares the home directories by default. |
| 17:07.43 | Lanz | The other computer sees a folder called "homes" |
| 17:07.54 | Lanz | But when I open it it says folder doesn't exist. |
| 17:07.54 | Klowner | abrotman: yes, because of that, and also his complete misunderstanding of the whole apt-get functionality |
| 17:07.58 | Justin | Lanz: if you changed something again, you probably broke it |
| 17:08.02 | Lanz | Note that I am running as root. |
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| 17:08.13 | Lanz | Would /root be shared? |
| 17:08.18 | abrotman | Klowner: just smack him and say 'man apt-get' |
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| 17:08.23 | timo | bluefox83, rename -s 's/\s//g' *.extension |
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| 17:08.40 | Klowner | abrotman: hehehe |
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| 17:09.13 | gerald | hello |
| 17:09.22 | gerald | are there channels or the like? |
| 17:09.24 | bluefox83 | how odd, it doesn't recognise -s |
| 17:09.38 | timo | bluefox83, my bad, remove the -s |
| 17:09.42 | abrotman | gerald: for what? |
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| 17:09.53 | gerald | looking for help with snmptradd |
| 17:09.57 | gerald | trapd |
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| 17:09.59 | miz | Is there a way to limit bandwidth on a network card? |
| 17:10.03 | abrotman | try /list .. see if that helsp |
| 17:10.14 | zinx | miz: on the network card itself? usually not |
| 17:10.22 | bluefox83 | oops..i think i should have said..how to i replace them with _ :p |
| 17:10.29 | bluefox83 | my fault.. |
| 17:10.38 | gerald | ouch |
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| 17:10.56 | stew | miz: you can control bandwidth with iptables (man iptables) or with tc, http://lartc.org |
| 17:11.27 | miz | Mmk, thanks |
| 17:11.39 | gerald | i would recommend you control the bandwidth further away |
| 17:11.42 | gerald | in the router |
| 17:12.39 | smagy2 | hi folks, i believe this is a distribution independent question since it has to do with the kernel. how to change the hard limit system wide for the number of open files. ulimits -n gives 1024 and /proc/sys/fs/file-max give 41K would appreciate some help |
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| 17:13.09 | miz | gerald; I would like that, but my router doesn't allow that |
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| 17:13.57 | gerald | can anyone direct me to a good resouce for snmptrapd, snmptrapdfmt, snmptrapdfmthdlr? google turns up litte? |
| 17:14.11 | gerald | didn't know your setup miz |
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| 17:15.05 | abrotman | !snmp |
| 17:15.05 | dpkg | snmp is, like, the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 17:15.28 | gerald | nod, trying to integrate with nagios |
| 17:15.32 | gerald | for passive checks |
| 17:15.42 | gerald | !snmp |
| 17:15.42 | dpkg | methinks snmp is the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 17:15.58 | antgel | !rfc1149 |
| 17:15.58 | dpkg | [rfc1149] Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 17:16.24 | gerald | abrotman is !snmp a room |
| 17:16.37 | abrotman | no ... it's a factoid |
| 17:16.42 | abrotman | there is no snmp channel |
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| 17:16.57 | gerald | sorry new to irc |
| 17:16.58 | Starfury^ | lo whats that dist that is a bootable cd? |
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| 17:17.08 | Starfury^ | the whole thing is on cd |
| 17:17.14 | Starfury^ | and runs from it |
| 17:17.17 | Ronin | couple of dozen like that Starfury^ |
| 17:17.23 | gerald | abrotman have you used snmptrapd to receive traps |
| 17:17.29 | abrotman | nope |
| 17:17.33 | Starfury^ | Ronin: list me some |
| 17:17.33 | antgel | !livecd |
| 17:17.45 | Starfury^ | dpkg livecd |
| 17:17.47 | abrotman | Starfury^: /j #ubuntu |
| 17:17.53 | Starfury^ | no ubuntu |
| 17:17.56 | Starfury^ | its another one |
| 17:17.57 | stew | Starfury^: distrowatch.com there are hundreds |
| 17:18.02 | antgel | !knoppix |
| 17:18.02 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 17:18.02 | gerald | anyone here use snmptrapd? snmptrapdhdlr? |
| 17:18.04 | Ronin | Starfury^: distrowatch.com |
| 17:18.05 | Starfury^ | knoppix |
| 17:18.07 | Starfury^ | thats the bugger |
| 17:18.07 | Starfury^ | ta |
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| 17:18.28 | abrotman | Will_: are you gonna be bouncy again? |
| 17:18.29 | Starfury^ | the std edition |
| 17:19.24 | Whisky_ | abrotman: Its ok with the WinXP system. The lan card has the light turned on and the network connection is established. But on my side, the lan card has its light turned off and the switch's light for PORT 2 (on which my card is connected) is blinking :S |
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| 17:19.38 | abrotman | BLINKING! |
| 17:19.42 | Whisky_ | yup |
| 17:19.45 | abrotman | blinkenlights! |
| 17:19.55 | Whisky_ | well :/ |
| 17:20.03 | goccia | strobelight ? party time |
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| 17:20.11 | abrotman | Whisky_: does the manual say what BLINKING lights mean? |
| 17:20.15 | stew | emory? |
| 17:20.38 | Whisky_ | nothing :/ |
| 17:20.44 | abrotman | stew: ivory ? |
| 17:20.59 | abrotman | i know stpt.wi! |
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| 17:21.16 | abrotman | Whisky_: did you start the linux box with the cdable plugged in ? |
| 17:21.24 | antgel | how do i modify a dpkg factoid if i get it wrong? |
| 17:21.25 | Whisky_ | no :/ |
| 17:21.27 | Whisky_ | reboot ? |
| 17:21.30 | stew | no |
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| 17:21.36 | abrotman | oh .. let him |
| 17:21.39 | stew | why? |
| 17:21.40 | Whisky_ | :| |
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| 17:21.51 | stew | Whisky_: are you still using the crossover cable? |
| 17:21.52 | shruggar | is there an rpm which, rather than saying "use alien", will call alien itself? |
| 17:22.01 | stew | Whisky_: is the cable on the linux box a new cable? |
| 17:22.13 | Whisky_ | stew: No, I just got a 8 port switch and 2 CAT5 wires :D |
| 17:22.13 | antgel | Whisky_: could be a half / full duplex thing. don't know if you guys went through that before |
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| 17:22.19 | abrotman | stew: he said he bought 2*35m cables! |
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| 17:22.30 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 17:22.32 | Whisky_ | The light on the xp box's card is ok now and it says network connected |
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| 17:22.37 | stew | shruggar: no. you probably shouldn't be using alien in the first place |
| 17:22.40 | solemnwarning | what should i use to extract .rar files? |
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| 17:22.48 | stew | Whisky_: sounds like the card in the linux box is bad |
| 17:22.50 | Whisky_ | light still blinking for my connection to the switch |
| 17:22.56 | shruggar | stew: explain? |
| 17:22.58 | Whisky_ | I thought so as well |
| 17:22.59 | antgel | solemnwarning: unrar, i think, but it's not in debian afaik |
| 17:23.03 | Whisky_ | maybe i'd reboot and see again |
| 17:23.04 | skx_ | solemnwarning: unrar |
| 17:23.06 | mz_work | imap problem: telnet 127.0.0.1 imap2 works just fine but i can't log in because...well i have no idea what username/password to use - i don't ever recall setting one - how to change it? |
| 17:23.07 | Whisky_ | brb |
| 17:23.20 | stew | shruggar: in most cases there is a better solution than using alien, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:23.24 | abrotman | mz_work: it would be YOUR username/password |
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| 17:23.30 | Lanz | Ok could someone just send me a working smb.conf that will share root's directory? |
| 17:23.33 | skx_ | antgel: it is in non-free |
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| 17:23.34 | Lanz | This just isn't working. |
| 17:23.41 | abrotman | Lanz: uhm .. hell no? |
| 17:23.49 | Lanz | Why? |
| 17:23.49 | shruggar | run an install program which calls rpm |
| 17:23.52 | antgel | skx_ thanks |
| 17:23.54 | nkuttler | Lanz: apt-get install samba-doc |
| 17:24.02 | Lanz | Did I offend you by asking for an example one that works? |
| 17:24.02 | stew | shruggar: what rpm? |
| 17:24.05 | Lanz | I've been there. |
| 17:24.14 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.14 | astronut | Lanz: cause sharing root's dir is an idiotic thing to do |
| 17:24.15 | shruggar | a bunch of db2 rpms |
| 17:24.17 | antgel | really appreciate it if someone would tell me how to modify a factoid |
| 17:24.28 | astronut | Lanz: samba-doc has example configs |
| 17:24.31 | alundra | hi i have a problem with my debian installation, debian is unable to connect to my network with dhcp, physical liaison is ok and i dont know what s wrong |
| 17:24.43 | astronut | apt-get install samba-doc; cd /usr/share/doc/samba-doc, ls.... |
| 17:24.59 | nkuttler | alundra: can you ifconfig eth0 up? |
| 17:25.09 | astronut | alundra: make sure dhcp-client is installed |
| 17:25.12 | bizkit_ | hi, since /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated and i can see an iface dsl-provider inet ppp in /etc/network/interfaces.. i ask myself whats the right way to manually redial the dsl connection? will ifconfig dsl-provider down and then up do the job now or do i have to use the old fashioned poff dsl-provider pppd call dsl-provider? (I need this to let my 24h disconnect be at night..) |
| 17:25.27 | antgel | Lanz: the software is fine. you're doing something wrong. |
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| 17:25.39 | antgel | Lanz: did you check the winshit firewall? |
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| 17:25.48 | Lanz | Yeah its off. |
| 17:25.49 | alundra | i have 2 network cards, one on my motherboard but doesnt work and the second is ok |
| 17:25.52 | shruggar | stew: a bunch of db2 rpms |
| 17:25.54 | Lanz | A Linux machine can't access it either. |
| 17:26.04 | alundra | i finish install and i ll see with ifconfig |
| 17:26.06 | Lanz | This is a home LAN so sharing root isn't idiotic at all. |
| 17:26.14 | shruggar | stew: and I am not calling them duirectly. rpm is only a part of the setup proccess |
| 17:26.15 | mz_work | abrotman: hmm no luck |
| 17:26.17 | skx_ | Lanz: in that case chmod -r 777 /root ? |
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| 17:26.24 | julietta^^^ | hi there, which command line could i use to hash a string directly from prompt like sha1sum << echo mypassword, thanks |
| 17:26.41 | avu | 7set theme mine |
| 17:26.43 | skx_ | julietta^^^: echo 'mypasswd' | sha1sum |
| 17:26.52 | nkuttler | Lanz: doing this is incredibly simple if you just rtfm |
| 17:26.59 | julietta^^^ | skx_: thank you |
| 17:27.00 | mz_work | abrotman: using courier-imap (if it matters) |
| 17:27.09 | skx_ | julietta^^^: echo 'test' | sha1sum | awk '{ print $1 }' |
| 17:27.21 | skx_ | julietta^^^: if you don't want anything but the hash itself |
| 17:27.49 | stew | shruggar: you can install rpm on your machine, but i dunno about using rpm -i ; it would break stuff. rpm would not know how to tell if the proper dependencies were installed on your machine |
| 17:28.03 | stew | shruggar: does db2 only support redhat? |
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| 17:28.32 | kadigibox | oh crap. How do I remove anything that is being sent to a device. I canceled a print job but its printing bunch of crap |
| 17:28.44 | astronut | !kernel |
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| 17:28.46 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.12.3, prepatch: 2.6.13-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.12-git10, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-rc4-mm1 |
| 17:28.49 | kadigibox | and only way to stop it is to pull the parallel port |
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| 17:29.01 | kadigibox | but I plug the port back in and it starts all over |
| 17:29.02 | nkuttler | Lanz: kadigibox /var/spool/foo/* ? |
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| 17:29.14 | nkuttler | kadigibox: turn off the printer, it probably has some memory |
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| 17:29.42 | shruggar | as far as I know, yes, db2 only is supported on redhat |
| 17:29.52 | nkuttler | kadigibox: /var/spool/-printing sytem-/* |
| 17:29.59 | Lanz | I'm not sharing a printer. |
| 17:30.00 | shruggar | but then, so is oracle, and no problem installing that with alien |
| 17:30.01 | kadigibox | I have turned off the printer |
| 17:30.01 | Lanz | Just files. |
| 17:30.07 | goccia | i can't believe it |
| 17:30.09 | nkuttler | Lanz: sorry, was not for you |
| 17:30.12 | kadigibox | it starts all over again when I plug the parallel port in |
| 17:30.29 | nkuttler | kadigibox: empty the spool |
| 17:30.38 | FlopsyPete | hi. I have a new hard disk in a USB attached enclosure thats seen as /dev/sda. how do I format it with a FAT32 fs and mkdosfs? |
| 17:30.44 | alundra | how can install "dhcp-client" ? |
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| 17:30.54 | Whisky_ | bad ass card. |
| 17:30.56 | kitty-kun | fdisk |
| 17:31.08 | kitty-kun | right? |
| 17:31.08 | nkuttler | alundra: apt-cache search dhcp client |
| 17:31.15 | Lanz | W00t it works. |
| 17:31.16 | Lanz | GG |
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| 17:31.36 | antgel | !w00t |
| 17:31.36 | dpkg | w00t!!! |
| 17:31.42 | FlopsyPete | kitty-kun: ta |
| 17:31.50 | kitty-kun | ta? |
| 17:31.53 | FlopsyPete | thanks |
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| 17:32.06 | FlopsyPete | its English |
| 17:32.09 | aFlag | is there some open real player? |
| 17:32.09 | kadigibox | How do I empty the spool? |
| 17:32.14 | kitty-kun | ah |
| 17:32.16 | kadigibox | without clearing another print job |
| 17:32.19 | sussudio | aFlag: google for it |
| 17:32.20 | kitty-kun | do you know how to use fdisk? |
| 17:32.23 | mz_work | FlopsyPete: you have to partition a drive then format the partitions |
| 17:32.29 | alundra | nkuttler apt-cache found it how can i install it ? |
| 17:32.42 | kitty-kun | both of which can be done with fdisk |
| 17:32.43 | nkuttler | alundra: apt-get install, man apt-get |
| 17:32.54 | alundra | thank you |
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| 17:33.36 | FlopsyPete | mz_work: yeah, I've got my brain-dead head on today, I'm supposed to know that. thanks |
| 17:33.38 | abrotman | mz_work: you could ask #courier |
| 17:33.40 | Whisky_ | antgel: It is almost certain that eth1 is a bad card. It's light isnt turning on and on the XP box ipconfig now lists the network ip's etc. |
| 17:34.00 | alundra | nothing works :/ |
| 17:34.12 | kitty-kun | what's udev? |
| 17:34.18 | kitty-kun | and why won't the package work? |
| 17:34.25 | hid3 | Is there any tool to investigate which device comsumes most cpu interrupt % ? |
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| 17:34.29 | abrotman | !udev |
| 17:34.29 | dpkg | udev is probably at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 17:35.04 | kitty-kun | so what is it? |
| 17:35.07 | antgel | Whisky_: is it an old card? what card is it? anything funny in dmesg? |
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| 17:35.26 | Whisky_ | its a "Baynet" lan card |
| 17:35.31 | takatumi | kitty-kun: apt-cache show udev, querybts udev etc. |
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| 17:35.59 | antgel | Whisky_: you ever used the card successfully? |
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| 17:36.05 | kitty-kun | what does querybts do? |
| 17:36.07 | Whisky_ | antgel: Never, i got it today. |
| 17:36.08 | Ferhat | hi |
| 17:36.18 | kitty-kun | ah |
| 17:36.19 | kitty-kun | i see |
| 17:36.28 | Ferhat | how to mount iso images for /media/cdrom ? |
| 17:36.29 | antgel | Whisky_: you using a stock kernel? version? |
| 17:37.02 | Whisky_ | 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 17:37.36 | antgel | Whisky_: did they go through ifconfig with you before? |
| 17:37.43 | abrotman | Ferhat: you mount over loopback |
| 17:37.49 | Whisky_ | yup :/ |
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| 17:38.12 | antgel | Whisky_: dmesg |grep eth |
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| 17:38.53 | Whisky_ | antgel: #flood |
| 17:39.00 | predius | anyone has any experience using cdbs |
| 17:39.14 | antgel | Whisky_: just arrived there, paste again please |
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| 17:39.35 | stew | predius: try #debian-mentors |
| 17:39.46 | predius | tryed already. |
| 17:39.53 | eka | hi all |
| 17:39.56 | predius | one active, is unactive now. |
| 17:40.00 | eka | i'm having troubles with imapd |
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| 17:40.30 | eka | when the computer starts everything goes right but after some time i end with a load average of 29 and 36 or some imapd processes |
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| 17:40.33 | eka | any clue? |
| 17:40.37 | eka | was not happening |
| 17:40.57 | Aaronslife | In Debian is their a way to send files from it to FTP? |
| 17:41.12 | abrotman | you mean .. an ftp client ? |
| 17:41.18 | Aaronslife | Sure, |
| 17:41.25 | stew | Aaronslife: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:41.28 | abrotman | like .. ftp ? |
| 17:41.31 | nTr1pY | Aaronslife: why not just use "ftp" |
| 17:41.33 | oKtosiTe | I would like to decrease the size of about forty .xpm files to about 67% of their original size. Is there a command I can use to do them all at once? |
| 17:41.40 | antgel | Whisky_: how many ethernet cards you got in that box? |
| 17:41.41 | Aaronslife | I just wanna take some settings off Debian to my PC |
| 17:41.43 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: imagemagick |
| 17:41.46 | Aaronslife | err files*** |
| 17:42.11 | nTr1pY | Aaronslife: just setup samba file sharing |
| 17:42.21 | PerfDave | oKtosiTe: Reduce the size how? Scale the pixels? Compress the data? |
| 17:42.23 | Aaronslife | I've Got Samba... |
| 17:42.34 | Aaronslife | I'm Just not sure how to send and Recive files... |
| 17:42.39 | Aaronslife | with it. |
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| 17:42.47 | nTr1pY | Aaronslife: lol...google it up |
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| 17:43.04 | oKtosiTe | PerfDave: scale the image |
| 17:43.07 | abrotman | Aaronslife: you share a dir from your win computer .. and use smbclient iirc |
| 17:43.18 | PerfDave | oKtosiTe: Then abrotman is correct, you want to use one of the utilities in imagemagick. |
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| 17:43.36 | predius | thanks anyway, I fixed it. |
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| 17:44.22 | eXistenZ | I got an error while I was trying to compile some program it says it cannot find the version of the kernel in The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h , what alternative path shall I provide? |
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| 17:44.38 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: What program? Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 17:45.05 | eka | anyone with courier? |
| 17:45.06 | eXistenZ | it's a sound driver |
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| 17:45.14 | riteshsarraf | I see linux-image-2.6.12 instead of kernel-image-2.6.12 by the Debian Kernel Team. Has the naming scheme officially changed ? |
| 17:45.15 | abrotman | #courier ? |
| 17:45.20 | stew | eXistenZ: should be /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include/linux/version.h |
| 17:45.21 | stew | riteshsarraf: yes |
| 17:45.23 | PerfDave | riteshsarraf: Yes |
| 17:45.25 | eka | thx |
| 17:45.26 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: What sound driveR? |
| 17:45.29 | riteshsarraf | But when did that happen ? |
| 17:45.32 | Nebulous | hello. I'm having a strange problem with the debian testing krb5 kdc and client packages. It looks like the krb5-kdc isn't binding on port 88 tcp like it should be, only port 88 udp. and the krb5 client utils are trying to connect to port 88 tcp. I can't find any options that would limit or tell it to serve only udp |
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| 17:45.32 | PerfDave | riteshsarraf: Recently |
| 17:45.38 | stew | eka: if you have a real question, ask it instead of polling |
| 17:45.38 | eXistenZ | well, it's the soundmax program |
| 17:45.54 | riteshsarraf | I had been doing `apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.12` for weeks everyday :-( |
| 17:46.02 | rumplstiltzkin | if you have a sis video card, don't even bother to try transparency with xorg... |
| 17:46.20 | riteshsarraf | So that means soon Debian will officially release other kernels too, namely hurd. |
| 17:46.20 | PerfDave | riteshsarraf: If you're running sid/unstable, you should be subscribed to debian-devel-announce |
| 17:46.29 | REyM | how can I "rescue" a linux partition without it activating X ? |
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| 17:46.35 | PerfDave | riteshsarraf: Debian already officially releases other kenels. |
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| 17:46.42 | PerfDave | REyM: What do you mean? |
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| 17:46.48 | alundra | my debian doesnt want to connect to my network, and dhcp-client is installed, i dont understand why |
| 17:46.52 | riteshsarraf | I am subscribed to it. But I didn't receive it. Okay! Let me check before I say that confidently |
| 17:46.53 | Whisky_ | antgel: Yes, sorry was away. Only 2. |
| 17:47.11 | riteshsarraf | But it doesn't support them officially. |
| 17:47.13 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I got the switch and the wires, all connected but now it seems like eth1 just sucks. |
| 17:47.17 | PerfDave | riteshsarraf: Yes it does. |
| 17:47.21 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Broken hardware? |
| 17:47.22 | antgel | Whisky_: does the other card work? |
| 17:47.23 | riteshsarraf | Which one ? |
| 17:47.27 | stew | alundra: did you setup dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 17:47.30 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: I got ALC850 incorporated into my mobo, now there are 3 more channels for subwoofer, rear and front. My sound works but I need to activate these channels as well |
| 17:47.31 | PerfDave | riteshsarraf: http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 17:47.40 | alundra | how can i do that ? |
| 17:47.44 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: What driver are you trying to compile? |
| 17:47.48 | REyM | PerfDave atm I noobed my lilo conf now it won't start anymore. I am trying to rescue it with a debian install cd using rescbf24. but then it starts gdm automatically and at that moment I can't input anything, I can't press ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 17:47.48 | riteshsarraf | PerfDave, But I guess they don't have the security support in place, Do they ? |
| 17:47.49 | Whisky_ | antgel: im connected through eth9 |
| 17:47.51 | Whisky_ | 0* |
| 17:47.56 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: sadly "[ |
| 17:47.58 | Whisky_ | :[ |
| 17:48.04 | Aaronslife | Thank You Everyone. I've Done it ^_^ |
| 17:48.13 | PerfDave | riteshsarraf: Fucked if I know, I don't use them :) |
| 17:48.18 | PerfDave | riteshsarraf: I presume so |
| 17:48.20 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: alsa-driver-0.9.6 |
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| 17:48.32 | kuene | in what package is the programm called ip. its a replacement for ifconfig. |
| 17:48.37 | PerfDave | kuene: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:48.58 | antgel | Whisky_: have you tried swapping cards eth0 and 1? |
| 17:49.04 | Whisky_ | nah :/ |
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| 17:49.07 | Whisky_ | ill try that too |
| 17:49.11 | kuene | PerfDave, with a two letter word its not funny... :( |
| 17:49.24 | Whisky_ | k brb |
| 17:49.28 | alundra | stew the file "contains iface lo inet loopback" ?? |
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| 17:49.52 | PerfDave | kuene: Shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 17:50.14 | REyM | I think I got it |
| 17:50.16 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Oh well, new NICs are pretty cheap. Duff hardware happens occasionally. |
| 17:50.29 | SimonRaven | kuene: hint, add route to the search |
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| 17:50.43 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: Not the same thing as contained in Debian's alsa-source package? |
| 17:51.06 | takatumi | 'ip addr' is cute. |
| 17:51.19 | kitty-kun | hey |
| 17:51.37 | Nebulous | can someone try to help me troubleshoot this krb5 server before I make a bug report and make a fool out of myself? |
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| 17:52.00 | PerfDave | Nebulous: Try asking on #kerberos? |
| 17:52.09 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: I'm not sure, I'll try it out. |
| 17:52.09 | Nebulous | i did, nobody answered after 12 hours |
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| 17:52.21 | takatumi | Nebulous: no bugs filed? |
| 17:52.21 | PerfDave | Nebulous: Kerberos mailing list? :) |
| 17:52.22 | Nebulous | nobody said a thing :P |
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| 17:52.45 | Nebulous | takatumi: no, I checked, there is only one bug listed and it's 4 years old and not the same. I checked the past bugs, and didn't see anything similair |
| 17:53.01 | FlopsyPete | is mkdosfs supposed to give you visual feedback on how much its done? its not so I don't know if its doing anything. 'top' says its using memory, atleast |
| 17:53.13 | takatumi | Nebulous: googled? |
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| 17:53.15 | sciron | not afaik |
| 17:53.24 | PerfDave | Nebulous: A trivial google gives http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/kerberos as a place you might want to check :) |
| 17:53.29 | Nebulous | takatumi: only thing relevant i could find googling for it was a bug from 3 years ago |
| 17:53.46 | takatumi | Nebulous: what about PerfDave google-fu ^^ |
| 17:53.54 | Nebulous | PerfDave: I don't know if this is a general krb5 bug or a debian specific compilation bug |
| 17:53.55 | takatumi | s/Dave/Dave's |
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| 17:54.04 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: am I supposed to download the "alsa-base "? |
| 17:54.09 | FlopsyPete | any ideas how long 250GB would take (Duron 700 CPU, USB 1.1) |
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| 17:54.26 | riteshsarraf | PerfDave, Okay! So it was announced on debian-kernel only |
| 17:54.36 | riteshsarraf | I missed that. |
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| 17:54.55 | Nebulous | it's very possible that this is only present in the debian packages |
| 17:55.01 | PerfDave | Nebulous: Well, try asking on the Kerberos list, they may be able to tell you. There don't seem to be any Debian Kerberos people here at the moment. Or e-mail debian-user. |
| 17:55.31 | PerfDave | Can you make an MS DOS filesystem on 250Gb? |
| 17:55.46 | sussudio | nein. ffs. |
| 17:56.07 | Justin | PerfDave: no file system should be that big heh |
| 17:56.07 | Nebulous | fat32 might support that... but regular fat definately won't |
| 17:56.09 | FlopsyPete | PerfDave: I don't know. it didn't complain. I'm only used to NTFS but I wanted this to be r/w across multiple systems |
| 17:56.15 | FlopsyPete | this is FAT32 |
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| 17:56.35 | mcmanus | anyone know what file dpkg-reconfigure writes to when you reconfigure xserver-xfree86? It's not writing my XF86Config-4 |
| 17:56.39 | PerfDave | FlopsyPete: Use ext3, mount it over a network to Windows desktops :) |
| 17:56.42 | PerfDave | mcmanus: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 17:57.04 | takatumi | why doesn't anyone recommed dexconf? |
| 17:57.10 | FlopsyPete | PerfDave: its USB attached, I want to be able to take it to clinet's systems and back them up |
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| 17:57.33 | PerfDave | FlopsyPete: You want to back up to FAT32? Ick. |
| 17:57.52 | Nebulous | i'm not seeing anything similair to my problem on the kerberos mailing archive, so I'm thinking this is a debian package only issue |
| 17:58.03 | PerfDave | Nebulous: ...or you being stupid ;) |
| 17:58.09 | FlopsyPete | PerfDave: what choice is there, that is r/w on both Debian and Windows 2000 |
| 17:58.11 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: what's the problem? |
| 17:58.20 | takatumi | Nebulous: isn't there a debian-kerberos mailing list? |
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| 17:58.38 | PerfDave | FlopsyPete: Get a Linux laptop, stick it on the network ;) |
| 17:58.49 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: the debian kerberos kdc daemon isn't binding to port 88 tcp, only udp. the debian kerberos client packages try to connect to port 88 tcp |
| 17:59.00 | PerfDave | FlopsyPete: I believe there are packages to read and write ext[23] from Windows. |
| 17:59.02 | mcmanus | PerfDave: thanks! |
| 17:59.22 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: do you have something there in your kdc conf that's making it do that? |
| 17:59.35 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: that is it in a nutshell. There are no configuration options that I Can see that would tell it to bind or not bind to a specific protocal, I've checked several sources, man pages, my oreilly book. |
| 17:59.40 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: i use heimdal stuff, not mit, fyi |
| 17:59.51 | FlopsyPete | PerfDave: I have a Linux laptop. not everyone I visit has a network. its a lot easier to attach a USB hard disk. I'm used to the ext2 r/w program on Windows but its not as elegant as a FAT32 formatted disk |
| 17:59.53 | SimonRaven | 'protocol' |
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| 18:00.35 | PerfDave | FlopsyPete: Well, I guess you'd best work out how to make a 250Gb FAT32 partition ;) |
| 18:00.50 | takatumi | Nebulous: this any good? http://mailman.boxedpenguin.com/pipermail/debian-kerberos/ |
| 18:00.51 | Nebulous | where does apt-get source place the packages? I'm about to try compiling it myself to see if there are any errors |
| 18:01.11 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: that is weird. never saw it do that when i used mit krb |
| 18:01.11 | PerfDave | Nebulous: In the directory where you run the command. Read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages. |
| 18:01.13 | takatumi | Nebulous: . |
| 18:01.16 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: . |
| 18:01.44 | takatumi | SimonRaven: we are the lazies. |
| 18:01.45 | Justin | FlopsyPete: what files do you work with that are over 200GB? |
| 18:01.47 | abrotman | $PWD ! |
| 18:01.55 | goccia | FlopsyPete: a 250Gb FAT32 takes ages to defrag |
| 18:02.02 | abrotman | ages? |
| 18:02.04 | abrotman | eons ... |
| 18:02.08 | goccia | hehehe |
| 18:02.12 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: yes, the only thing I found semi relevant was a post from 3 years ago, when some library changed the behavior of some tcp library. |
| 18:02.16 | FlopsyPete | Justin: I don't, thats just a regular size that new hard disks come in |
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| 18:02.42 | Nebulous | takatumi: that list hasn't been updated in almost a year... the only post this year is a spam for cheap viagra, lol |
| 18:02.50 | Justin | FlopsyPete: you are aware that there is this thing you can do called partioning, where you make multiple, smaller drives out of one big one? |
| 18:02.51 | takatumi | Nebulous: hah. |
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| 18:03.28 | elmagozizou | Hi ...I install debian first cd with woth kerbels and neither of them install the rtl8139 module? I can acces internet! |
| 18:03.28 | takatumi | Kitty-Kun: are you tugging at yourself in distress? |
| 18:03.35 | abrotman | Justin: no way! .. are you serious? |
| 18:03.40 | Justin | abrotman: way! |
| 18:03.58 | sussudio | takatumi: don't feed the tards |
| 18:03.59 | PerfDave | elmagozizou: "woth kerbels"? |
| 18:04.01 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:04.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:04.07 | abrotman | i tihnk |
| 18:04.14 | elmagozizou | PerfDave, 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 18:04.19 | takatumi | sussudio: didn't notice a pattern, will look harder. |
| 18:04.24 | stew | Justin: blech forget that, just one big partition and lvm :) |
| 18:04.24 | PerfDave | elmagozizou: What does "woth kerbels" mean? |
| 18:04.29 | swatikiss | i want to upgrade my kernel-image ... i forgot what i must do with my nvidia drivers (using debs) - do i have to uninstall the nvidia drivers first or what? |
| 18:04.30 | Nebulous | maybe i should try heimdall... but if this is a bug, it's a pretty major one. I'd like to do my tester duty and report it. |
| 18:04.45 | PerfDave | swatikiss: No, just reinstall them after you upgrade the kernel - /msg dpkg nvidia. |
| 18:04.50 | FlopsyPete | Justin: very much aware yes. I just have no use for multiple partitions. now, if its technically recommended to do that then thats a different matter. I've just put the disk in a Windows 2000 machine and its formatting it with FAT32. is there a good reason to partition it? |
| 18:04.54 | swatikiss | PerfDave, k, thanks |
| 18:05.02 | elmagozizou | PerfDave, both...I dont know I realy speak spanich but in bebian-es nobody knows my problem |
| 18:05.08 | PeterB | elmagozizou: Try 8139too |
| 18:05.13 | swatikiss | PerfDave, would it be the same if i end up upgrade them after i install the new image ? |
| 18:05.31 | PerfDave | swatikiss: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean |
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| 18:05.38 | elmagozizou | PeterB, all ready do that...and 8130.o |
| 18:05.39 | goccia | FlopsyPete: i do not think it can do a 250Gb partition |
| 18:05.48 | sussudio | windows 2000 refuses to create fat32 paritions bigger than 32GB |
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| 18:06.56 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: yeh, see what the maintainer has to say, do a search in the BTS for the bug, too |
| 18:07.02 | swatikiss | PerfDave, sorry - i also wish to upgrade my kernel drivers after i install the kernel-image.... would i just install the new drivers after i install the new kernel-image ? |
| 18:07.03 | aurax | hello, does anyonw knows how to restart loopback interface? |
| 18:07.05 | Justin | FlopsyPete: if you think you can manage a single 250G partition, go right ahead :-) |
| 18:07.09 | aurax | i have to reboot to do that ? |
| 18:07.11 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: I searched the BTS already, I couldn't find the bug |
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| 18:07.18 | PerfDave | swatikiss: What kernel drivers are you talking about? |
| 18:07.19 | abrotman | it is sunday? |
| 18:07.20 | SimonRaven | :| |
| 18:07.28 | swatikiss | PerfDave, nvidia drivers |
| 18:07.36 | PerfDave | swatikiss: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:07.40 | swatikiss | testing |
| 18:07.44 | aurax | anyone ? |
| 18:07.49 | elmagozizou | PerfDave, the main problem is that in the instalation aparently my sistem detect the net card but when is configuring DHCP tells me that cant conect...so I check before the instalation for the modules because the ethernet card has a readme txt that says that works with this module |
| 18:08.05 | Nebulous | I'll email the maintainer |
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| 18:08.08 | PerfDave | elmagozizou: Does your network have a DHCP server on it? |
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| 18:08.29 | PerfDave | swatikiss: Just install your new kernel-image, and follow the instructions that dpkg gave you. It'll install the latest nvidia-kernel-source available in testing. |
| 18:08.31 | aurax | can anyone help me out with restarting the loopback device? |
| 18:08.47 | elmagozizou | PerfDave, yeah I gess, righ know Im in ubuntu and the dhcp configure is the same |
| 18:08.48 | stew | aurax: ifdown lo ; ifup lo |
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| 18:08.56 | aurax | doesnt work |
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| 18:09.02 | FlopsyPete | Microsoft say FAT32 can deal with drives of 2 terabytes but partitions cannot be larger than 32GB. so why doesn't mkdosfs say so? its a shame Debian doesn't have RW or NTFS |
| 18:09.15 | stew | aurax: /etc/init.d/networking restart; be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 18:09.23 | PerfDave | FlopsyPete: FAT32 partitions can be larger than 32GB. Microsoft is lying to you. |
| 18:09.34 | ke6isf | !tell stew about doesn't work |
| 18:09.42 | stew | ke6isf: why? |
| 18:09.44 | aurax | stew, im on a remote box, it will d/c me right |
| 18:09.50 | stew | aurax: yes |
| 18:09.52 | PerfDave | FlopsyPete: Windows refuses to create FAT32 partitions greater than 32GB because Microsoft want you to use NTFS. |
| 18:09.53 | ke6isf | stew: Sorry, wrong nick. Insufficient caffeine effor. |
| 18:09.55 | aurax | aight, sec. |
| 18:09.57 | swatikiss | PerfDave, k, thanks |
| 18:09.58 | ke6isf | !tell aurax about doesn't work |
| 18:10.02 | ke6isf | oops.... error |
| 18:10.14 | PerfDave | elmagozizou: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "yeah I gess" |
| 18:10.16 | aurax | stew can i message you my error / |
| 18:10.17 | aurax | ? |
| 18:10.18 | stew | aurax: ifdown / ifup should work |
| 18:10.23 | stew | aurax: use paster or #flood |
| 18:10.25 | FlopsyPete | PerfDave: perhaps its 2000 in particular: "You cannot format a volume larger than 32 GB in size using the FAT32 file system in Windows 2000" |
| 18:10.28 | aurax | k |
| 18:10.33 | swatikiss | PerfDave, k, thanks |
| 18:10.38 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: i think that's just FAT32 ... |
| 18:10.40 | hyde | FlopsyPete: xp has the same limitation i believe |
| 18:10.40 | elmagozizou | PerfDave, I think so |
| 18:10.47 | PerfDave | elmagozizou: You think *what*? |
| 18:10.50 | goccia | yeah : they put a 130 limit somehow and you need some tools or whatever from the hd producer |
| 18:10.51 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: google "FAT32 partition size limit" |
| 18:11.04 | elmagozizou | PerfDave, that my network has DHCP |
| 18:11.16 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp |
| 18:11.22 | PerfDave | elmagozizou: You're confusing me. You just said you didn't. |
| 18:11.23 | abrotman | i even did it for you .. took .. 5 seconds! |
| 18:11.41 | PerfDave | elmagozizou: I'm sorry, I can't help you, your English is too poor for me to understand. You'll just have to wait until someone on #debian-es is available. |
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| 18:12.23 | FlopsyPete | Windows won't write >23GB but will read any size. its a shame this, as FAT32 is a very common format for removable media |
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| 18:12.39 | hyde | abrotman: flopsypete: but as that article says, it's not a fat32 limit, it's a windows xp/2k limit |
| 18:12.51 | elmagozizou | PerfDave, noo! I say that I guess that I have DHCP because I have installed fedora and ubuntu and I doesnt have problems with that |
| 18:12.51 | zuralin | fat32 has a 2 or 4GB limit |
| 18:12.55 | abrotman | hyde: 100% sure ? |
| 18:13.00 | abrotman | zuralin: for files .. not partitions |
| 18:13.05 | abrotman | and it's 4GB |
| 18:13.06 | hyde | abrotman: i have fat32 partitions over 32gb |
| 18:13.11 | Ronin` | zuralin: neither |
| 18:13.17 | hyde | abrotman: oh i thought we were talking partitions |
| 18:13.19 | zuralin | oh thought you were talking about writing to files |
| 18:13.23 | hyde | abrotman: my bad |
| 18:13.25 | FlopsyPete | hyde: yet people are saying mkdosfs won't do it either |
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| 18:13.39 | tinker | whois thinker |
| 18:13.43 | Ronin` | but to be honest its been a long time since i looked |
| 18:13.56 | zuralin | /dev/hdb1 58G 39G 20G 67% /mnt/win |
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| 18:14.04 | zuralin | a fat32 partition |
| 18:14.14 | hyde | FlopsyPete: i don't think that's right, i think it was mkdosfs that i used to create my fat32 partition |
| 18:14.16 | PerfDave | FlopsyPete: People are saying that there is a finite limit on the size of FAT32 partitions, but that it's not 32GB. |
| 18:14.20 | abrotman | hyde: you win .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table |
| 18:14.33 | abrotman | hyde: says it's much larger .. just that win32 won't create larger than 32gb |
| 18:14.50 | goccia | last time i heard of FAT3 |
| 18:14.52 | hyde | abrotman: nodnod |
| 18:15.00 | FlopsyPete | well if Windows 2000 fails in its current operation I'll try mkdosfs again and let you know how I got on |
| 18:15.02 | Mxyzpltk | is there any problem by getting vanilla kernel 2.6.11 from kernel org into a testing system and using make-kpkg to build it? |
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| 18:15.06 | abrotman | though .. when you read that .. fat sucks :) |
| 18:15.15 | stew | Mxyzpltk: no |
| 18:15.16 | goccia | 2 it was a 130 GB limit and that guy told he got a maxtor tools |
| 18:15.22 | Mxyzpltk | stew: great |
| 18:15.29 | PerfDave | Mxyzpltk: No inherent problem. |
| 18:15.32 | Lanz | Hey guys, any idea why samba quits working upon reboot? |
| 18:15.42 | PerfDave | Lanz: Because you rebooted? :) |
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| 18:15.46 | Lanz | LOL |
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| 18:15.51 | Whisky_ | yes! |
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| 18:15.59 | Lanz | Well how can I make it work after the reboot automatically? |
| 18:16.02 | Mxyzpltk | now, is there a pure64 specific channel or just ask here? |
| 18:16.05 | Whisky_ | i just switched wires between the cards and both of them were working |
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| 18:16.22 | zuralin | any reason that unstable repositories havent been updated in a while? at least the multiple ones that I have tried |
| 18:16.22 | FlopsyPete | Lanz: you're asked a question regarding that whebn you install Samba |
| 18:16.31 | Whisky_ | so i used common sense and modified /etc/network/interfaces accordingly and internet is now working here. I also tried to ping the Linux box from the windows one and its being pinged! :D |
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| 18:16.42 | SimonRaven | Mxyzpltk: except that i wouldn't use 2.6.11, is has security issues |
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| 18:16.42 | Whisky_ | PerfDave !!!! :D |
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| 18:16.46 | abrotman | zuralin: raff and samosa were down a couple of weeks ago |
| 18:16.47 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.55 | Whisky_ | abrotman: Linux box being pingable :p |
| 18:17.02 | Whisky_ | both cards working, everything set. |
| 18:17.02 | abrotman | this is good ? |
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| 18:17.18 | stew | gotta love intermittency |
| 18:17.35 | FlopsyPete | Lanz: I can't remember the wording |
| 18:17.40 | Lanz | Hmm. |
| 18:17.44 | Justin | Lanz: did you edit the samba config again? |
| 18:17.47 | Lanz | Well I never saw the option... |
| 18:17.51 | Lanz | NO!!1 lol. |
| 18:17.54 | Whisky_ | abrotman: How do i enable forwarding now so I can share internet ? I have GuideDog, it has options for Masquerading/Forwarding |
| 18:17.55 | Lanz | I'm afraid to do that. |
| 18:18.00 | Lanz | It breaks eaily! |
| 18:18.03 | Mxyzpltk | SimonRaven: I see, will try 2.6.12-3 then |
| 18:18.04 | abrotman | i have nfc what guidedog is |
| 18:18.07 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 18:18.07 | dpkg | IP masquerading allows several machines to share one Internet connection. Learn about it at http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html or don't mix the slink ipmasq deb and a 2.2.x kernel, or available at ipmasq.cjb.net, or ipmasq package is evil, before coming here to ask help with unexpected network problems, first remove it! See also: masq |
| 18:18.16 | Whisky_ | abrotman: Ok i have that too |
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| 18:18.31 | abrotman | Whisky_: dunno .. i've always just installed it .. and it worked |
| 18:18.34 | abrotman | Will_: bouncy! |
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| 18:19.09 | Mxyzpltk | is there a reason why there are no nvidia-kernel debs in testing other than common? or is it my mirror? (it's from pure64 testing) |
| 18:19.16 | Whisky_ | abrotman: Ok i did dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq and pressed enter accordingly |
| 18:19.16 | Whisky_ | done ? |
| 18:19.25 | abrotman | did you try it ? |
| 18:19.33 | Whisky_ | no :/ |
| 18:19.36 | Whisky_ | do i need to reboot ? |
| 18:20.00 | stew | pretty much never |
| 18:20.38 | Whisky_ | stew: Ok MSN messenger works now but Internet Explorer wont browse, heh |
| 18:20.49 | SimonRaven | only lame OSes need to reboot for something that simple |
| 18:20.55 | Whisky_ | :p |
| 18:21.00 | sciron | lol |
| 18:21.04 | takatumi | except probably for kernel upgrades and disabling ipv6. |
| 18:21.11 | stew | Whisky_: oh if you were talking about windows then who knows whether you need to reboot, but probably |
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| 18:21.21 | blastmanu | hi |
| 18:21.28 | SimonRaven | crashes, and similar crap, too |
| 18:21.28 | Nebulous | okay, i fired off an email to the package maintaner |
| 18:21.34 | Whisky_ | stew: Can't browse sites only |
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| 18:21.42 | Whisky_ | I guess im done with Linux configuration :) |
| 18:21.59 | Whisky_ | thanks abrotman, stew, PerfDave, antgel |
| 18:22.03 | stew | Whisky_: i'd check dns settings, but we are now officially off topic |
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| 18:22.19 | Whisky_ | Yup, don't have DNS configured |
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| 18:22.20 | takatumi | Nebulous: another 12 hours of wait? |
| 18:22.21 | Whisky_ | thanks anyway |
| 18:22.25 | Nebulous | hmm, source doesn't compile either. |
| 18:23.04 | PissedTrixBunny | I was wondering: can one user join two groups? (chgrp?) |
| 18:23.17 | antgel | Whisky_: np, glad to help believe it or not :) |
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| 18:23.29 | Whisky_ | antgel: Thanks :) |
| 18:23.38 | Nebulous | takatumi: i guess so |
| 18:23.45 | rob_newbie | I am lost with this tar file work anyone able to help |
| 18:23.57 | rob_newbie | ??? |
| 18:24.06 | s_ward | PissedTrixBunny, usermod -G |
| 18:24.06 | stew | rob_newbie: /msg dpkg tar |
| 18:24.30 | Lanz | Ok guys seems like if I wait a few minutes samba magically starts itself. |
| 18:24.35 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.36 | Lanz | Laters. |
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| 18:24.58 | Kitty-Kun | udev package will not install |
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| 18:25.20 | takatumi | Kitty-Kun: file a bug, I don't see any that says that. |
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| 18:25.40 | stew | Kitty-Kun: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:26.01 | znh | does anyone know how big the base installation is? |
| 18:26.12 | rumpl | znh, about 50mb |
| 18:26.13 | s_ward | Kitty-Kun, new udev won't install with kernel < 2.6.12 |
| 18:26.19 | znh | rumpl: you sure? |
| 18:26.24 | rumpl | znh, yes |
| 18:26.28 | SimonRaven | no, about 120 MB |
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| 18:26.40 | takatumi | and I've heard upto 300MB |
| 18:26.42 | rumpl | 50mb when i installed it... |
| 18:26.42 | zuralin | i can verify that udev wont install with kernel < 2.6.12 as well |
| 18:26.53 | takatumi | zuralin: file a bug. |
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| 18:26.56 | zuralin | from unstable anyways |
| 18:27.00 | rumpl | no X and all |
| 18:27.02 | SimonRaven | rumpl: probably didn't run aptitude/dselect |
| 18:27.06 | valdyn | zuralin: that 'bug' is already filed. |
| 18:27.08 | s_ward | it's not a bug, it's a dependency |
| 18:27.08 | zuralin | could have sworn there was one |
| 18:27.18 | znh | SimonRaven: like I said a base installation.. only the kernel and required apps to run |
| 18:27.25 | valdyn | zuralin: it is a bug. |
| 18:27.31 | rumpl | SimonRaven, nope i really needed the base install... that's what the man is asking |
| 18:27.32 | stew | its not a bug |
| 18:27.36 | stew | its in the pacakge description |
| 18:27.45 | zuralin | it wasn't originally |
| 18:27.46 | SimonRaven | like i said, about 120 MB |
| 18:27.46 | rumpl | znh, i told you 50MB |
| 18:27.46 | znh | Iam still a boy :-P |
| 18:27.51 | takatumi | zuralin: it warns you prior to install as well. |
| 18:27.51 | valdyn | stew: so there's a 2.6.12 kernel-image package now? |
| 18:27.56 | znh | rumpl: ok I believe you |
| 18:27.58 | zuralin | no there isnt |
| 18:28.02 | s_ward | it's called linux-image |
| 18:28.03 | rumpl | :) |
| 18:28.04 | stew | valdyn: yes |
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| 18:28.15 | valdyn | stew: alright then its not a bug ( anymore ) ) |
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| 18:28.29 | tony | i have two machines behind a router, and two printers connected to the newest machine. How can I use the printer from the other machine? According to cups manual, for the printer to be used, it would have to be directly assigned some ip |
| 18:28.32 | valdyn | s_ward: yea true, naming changed |
| 18:28.42 | zuralin | bah those bastards! i didnt know they changed the name |
| 18:29.05 | stew | but in any case Kitty-Kun is hopefully not on sid, so this should not be his problem |
| 18:29.12 | zuralin | there should be a virtual package for kernel-source-2.6.12 |
| 18:29.12 | takatumi | zuralin: hopefully this will stick now. |
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| 18:29.35 | stew | zuralin: no its linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 18:29.36 | rumpl | if Kitty-Kun followed my instructions he sould be instable... hehe |
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| 18:29.50 | zuralin | stew, i know.. thats why it should be a virtual package |
| 18:30.11 | jorgeu | hi! |
| 18:30.29 | rumpl | hi |
| 18:30.43 | SimonRaven | rumpl: then you get to help him/her pick up all the pieces from the borked sid install |
| 18:30.51 | jorgeu | rumpl, how are you gentlemen |
| 18:30.58 | stew | rumpl: you told him to upgrade to unstable, you are nuts. he should not be running unstable, no way. DON'T tell random cluebies to upgrade to unstable |
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| 18:31.22 | SimonRaven | rumpl: UNSTABLE IS NOT AN UPGRADE |
| 18:31.26 | rumpl | stew, SimonRaven it's fun |
| 18:31.35 | SimonRaven | rumpl: no it isn't |
| 18:31.36 | stew | rumpl: no, its not funny |
| 18:31.36 | takatumi | unstable rox0rs! |
| 18:31.39 | stew | stop |
| 18:31.40 | rumpl | SimonRaven, let him if he wants to be unstable |
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| 18:31.47 | SimonRaven | @ops /lastlog rumpl |
| 18:31.57 | SimonRaven | !ops /lastlog rumpl |
| 18:31.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: /lastlog rumpl |
| 18:31.59 | rumpl | SimonRaven, what? |
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| 18:32.10 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 18:32.13 | Kitty-Kun | wait |
| 18:32.18 | Kitty-Kun | what? |
| 18:32.19 | rumpl | SimonRaven, it would be nice if you stop shouting |
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| 18:32.50 | rumpl | SimonRaven, what do you want with that dpkg??? |
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| 18:33.04 | jorgeu | <flamewar> ubuntu is gaining users because debian is old or REAL unstable </flamewar> |
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| 18:33.12 | SimonRaven | there are consequences to your actions. |
| 18:33.15 | Kitty-Kun | Yeah |
| 18:33.24 | Kitty-Kun | i know |
| 18:33.28 | sciron | <flame off/> |
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| 18:33.33 | goccia | jorgeu: bullshit |
| 18:33.33 | FieldySnuts | ~start a distro war |
| 18:33.33 | apt | Progeny 0wnz! |
| 18:33.37 | martman | kind of a long shot question bu does any netinstall disk have serial console support?\ |
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| 18:33.42 | znh | rumpl: 50 MB eh? |
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| 18:33.49 | FieldySnuts | jorgeu: you're a troll. worse yet, an uneducated one. |
| 18:33.50 | stew | martman: yes |
| 18:33.55 | zuralin | are they going to change nvidia-kernel-source to nvidia-linux-source? |
| 18:33.58 | rumpl | znh, yese when i installed it on my machine |
| 18:34.01 | antgel | jorgeu: bothered |
| 18:34.02 | martman | stew which one? |
| 18:34.03 | jorgeu | FieldySnuts, thanks! |
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| 18:34.06 | SimonRaven | martman: run the install from serial console? dunno, i know it can via ssh |
| 18:34.11 | znh | rumpl: ok |
| 18:34.14 | rumpl | znh, you want to do what? |
| 18:34.17 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite jorgeu |
| 18:34.18 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:34.20 | stew | martman: all of them /msg dpkg install debian |
| 18:34.25 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 18:34.27 | FieldySnuts | ;( to whoever deleted that |
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| 18:34.36 | martman | SimonRaven yeah, that was my plan, insall ocver serial |
| 18:34.40 | martman | stew thanks |
| 18:34.41 | SimonRaven | no, should be back now |
| 18:34.46 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite jorgeu |
| 18:34.47 | ravenbird | jorgeu: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 18:34.57 | FieldySnuts | why it keeps saying that one phrase I can't figure out though |
| 18:35.00 | antgel | good point. how do i modify a dpkg factoid? |
| 18:35.14 | FieldySnuts | don't have time now either |
| 18:35.24 | stew | martman: there should be instructions in the install guide, but i'm not sure, iirc you can pass CONSOLE=/dev/ttyS0 to the kernel upon boot |
| 18:35.26 | usn | hi all |
| 18:35.29 | smagy2 | hello folks, can some one help me with why ssh session is failing. it kind of hangs on when it comes to "debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type 2" i guess this is where it is trying ssh protocol 2 |
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| 18:35.48 | antgel | lol this is funny. here at work we amuse ourself with impressions of fictional aussies. they use the word dunny a lot. |
| 18:35.56 | SimonRaven | uh, why are you sshing with root user? |
| 18:35.57 | antgel | their catchphrase is "how hard can it be?" |
| 18:36.09 | invisibility | hi, could you tell me how to change the enviromental variables... i want to change the LANG=C part to another language. |
| 18:36.17 | FieldySnuts | antgel: say this to them "geez mate, who cut the dog in half?" |
| 18:36.22 | valdyn | invisibility: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:36.42 | FieldySnuts | jorgeu: it's not that, ubuntu users continually irritate us on a daily basis because they think we support it here |
| 18:36.43 | martman | stew thanks alot |
| 18:36.46 | martman | this should be easy now |
| 18:36.52 | FieldySnuts | so we tend to get pissy at the very mention. |
| 18:36.53 | SimonRaven | jorgeu: sure we do, but it's one thing to make a joke, and another to suggest unstable to a newbie |
| 18:36.53 | smagy2 | SimonRaven: well the systems are setup for password less root user login, by the admins, i am just trying to fix something broken, dunno why they have this policy |
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| 18:36.55 | martman | and ill be playing with my quad zeon soon i think :) |
| 18:37.01 | martman | gotta love ebay at times... |
| 18:37.03 | FieldySnuts | SimonRaven: he did that? lame. |
| 18:37.06 | SimonRaven | smagy2: oh my, poor you |
| 18:37.15 | antgel | FieldySnuts: like it. our characters were inspired from one of our customers who used to be a builder. he's now a photoshop "guru". |
| 18:37.16 | SimonRaven | FieldySnuts: no someone else did |
| 18:37.19 | stew | FieldySnuts: rumpl had Kitty-Kun upgrade to unstable |
| 18:37.25 | SimonRaven | yeh |
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| 18:37.36 | FieldySnuts | oh great, so we can expect that annoyance to be worse |
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| 18:37.46 | FieldySnuts | i have it ignored thankfully |
| 18:37.52 | smagy2 | SimonRaven: so any ideas what could be the cause , or point to where i could ask or read more about it |
| 18:37.58 | antgel | "can you come up with some artwork for me please?" aussie: "well, i've never used photoshop before, but how hard can it be?" |
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| 18:38.22 | antgel | as no-one will tell me how to fix my dpkg factoid, i have no option but to publish it myself and shame somebody else into fixing it |
| 18:38.25 | antgel | !livecd |
| 18:38.25 | dpkg | methinks livecd is A live CD is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. |
| 18:38.27 | goccia | ubuntu users are only lazy windows refugee : they expect click and point answers to they click and point nuisance |
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| 18:38.35 | jorgeu | SimonRaven, i didn't suggest that, if i wanted to give any suggestion, i would recommend gentoo or something, |
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| 18:39.02 | rumpl | SimonRaven, i have been unstable since i installed debian for the first time.. never had any big problems... really don't see why he shouldn'y be unstable... |
| 18:39.14 | invisibility | valdyn: i just looked with the command you wrote.. but that command is to install a language packet. i already have the language packet but not set correctly so i can't use it. i just need to change the variables... |
| 18:39.23 | antgel | rumpl: what does your mental state have to do with anything? |
| 18:39.32 | antgel | jorgeu: it's not in the w3.org standard |
| 18:39.35 | rumpl | antgel, huh? |
| 18:39.35 | valdyn | invisibility: what I told you does both. |
| 18:39.45 | jorgeu | antgel, lol |
| 18:39.50 | rumpl | lol |
| 18:39.53 | antgel | rumpl: being unstable, ah nuts, forget it |
| 18:39.56 | takatumi | rumpl: now is probably the worst time to recommend unstable, if at all you ever do. |
| 18:39.58 | rumpl | ON unstable |
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| 18:40.18 | jorgeu | antgel, maybe for a debian proposal |
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| 18:40.44 | stew | rumpl: unstable should only be run by people who can get themselves out of trouble when stuff breaks, and he has clearly demonstrated he is not |
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| 18:40.54 | rumpl | takatumi, well, nobody knows if he is really unstable or not, i told him how to do it but we don't know if he did it |
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| 18:41.09 | abrotman | rumpl: stop doing that |
| 18:41.17 | stew | rumpl: don't tell people how, if they don't know they shouldn't be running it |
| 18:41.18 | rumpl | stew, sure, maybe there is a genious inside his=m... |
| 18:41.20 | B_Raven | Anyone know what the app kwrapper is, and why it would want to use a lot of CPU power? |
| 18:41.25 | antgel | how do i ignore him? /ignore rumpl doesn't work |
| 18:41.30 | knoppel | hi |
| 18:41.35 | stew | antgel: /help ignore ; that should work |
| 18:41.39 | pixelmonkey | I'm running apache 1 on Sarge, and trying to get .cgi perl scripts to work from a virtual domain's directory. Instead of exec'ing the scripts, Apache is serving them to clients as a downloadable file. I have ExecCGI enabled, and a handler for cgi-script setup |
| 18:41.40 | rumpl | abec0, stew he is the first one .... will stop doing that... |
| 18:41.41 | antgel | stew: ta |
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| 18:42.05 | abrotman | antgel: /ignore rumpl@* ALL .. should work |
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| 18:42.20 | antgel | stew: i take it from that i have to put in a mask of _some sort_ |
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| 18:42.24 | rumpl | ah nevermind... |
| 18:42.25 | stew | antgel: no |
| 18:42.26 | antgel | abrotman: ta |
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| 18:42.52 | abrotman | antgel: for a really stressful day .. /ignore *@* ALL |
| 18:43.11 | antgel | fab. i didn't know /ignore was so flexible. never used it before. generally very well-behaved around here. |
| 18:43.26 | antgel | !kill abrotman |
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| 18:43.34 | antgel | that's a good'un |
| 18:43.39 | abrotman | Will_: bouncy! |
| 18:43.48 | FieldySnuts | damn |
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| 18:44.06 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a world war |
| 18:44.06 | apt | Pakistan will get turned into a sheet of glass by Iran! |
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| 18:44.09 | Kitty-Kun | wow |
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| 18:44.25 | Kitty-Kun | there's a noticable difference in performance from fc4 to debian |
| 18:44.35 | MrPrimate | can anyone recommend a debian netinst cd for amd64 ? |
| 18:44.44 | MrPrimate | i tried the testing one but it didn't work |
| 18:44.44 | PerfDave | MrPrimate: Ask #debian-amd64 ? |
| 18:44.47 | antgel | !tell MrPrimate about amd64 |
| 18:44.48 | MrPrimate | ah |
| 18:44.54 | antgel | doh |
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| 18:45.09 | abrotman | MrPrimate: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 18:45.38 | stew | bouncy |
| 18:45.44 | antgel | is P4N1C0 a bot? |
| 18:45.53 | P4N1C0 | no |
| 18:46.02 | antgel | well that's not proof lol |
| 18:46.08 | abrotman | stew: cycl-y! |
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| 18:46.25 | abrotman | P4N1C0: 25/3 |
| 18:46.31 | abrotman | not a math bot :) |
| 18:46.40 | antgel | or a date bot |
| 18:46.47 | Kitty-Kun | eh? |
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| 18:47.01 | Whisky_ | damn |
| 18:47.07 | Whisky_ | it works on the WinXP system now but the internet is slower than dialup (its DSL). |
| 18:47.07 | P4N1C0 | woooll |
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| 18:47.14 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you still around ? |
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| 18:47.16 | svizzero | anyone knows a package for measuring cpu temperature on linux? |
| 18:47.21 | abrotman | cat |
| 18:47.25 | PerfDave | svizzero: lm-sensors |
| 18:47.29 | svizzero | thx |
| 18:47.30 | antgel | Whisky_: slower from where? |
| 18:47.32 | SimonRaven | no, i'm kinda round around the edges though |
| 18:47.33 | concept10 | What application may I use to rip a dvd >.> |
| 18:47.51 | antgel | Whisky_: you routing through your debian box? |
| 18:47.58 | valdyn | concept10: cat /dev/whatever > file.iso |
| 18:48.01 | abrotman | SimonRaven: if you /msg ravenbird literal cmd: aussiesmite (.?) .. it leaves a "..." at the end .. how to fully expand? |
| 18:48.05 | Whisky_ | antgel: Browsing the internet is a pain (slower than dialup) and Messengers sign in after ages |
| 18:48.08 | Whisky_ | antgel: Yes. |
| 18:48.10 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: hmm, harden-servers doesn't like the heimdal stuff. is this because of the krb4 support? |
| 18:48.21 | timo | concept10, dvdrip is very nice |
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| 18:48.33 | antgel | whisky_: what dns server is the windows box using? |
| 18:48.39 | SimonRaven | the krb4 in heimdal is quite easily disabled run time or build time |
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| 18:49.10 | Whisky_ | antgel: my ISP's |
| 18:49.18 | SimonRaven | abrotman: bug in the conf AFAICT. need to check it |
| 18:49.20 | Nebulous | yeah, no reason to unless you really really have to support some application that needs it |
| 18:49.21 | stew | abrotman: add "tell me about" before the literal |
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| 18:49.29 | abrotman | stew: really? |
| 18:49.31 | stew | yes |
| 18:49.42 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 18:49.47 | antgel | Whisky_: from a windows command prompt, nslookup www.whatever.com (one that you haven't browsed since bootup) |
| 18:49.58 | stew | don't ask me why, greycat figured that out a while back |
| 18:50.07 | Whisky_ | antgel: Ok, hang. |
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| 18:50.26 | antgel | Whisky_: ctrl-c it. what about ping the isp dns server? |
| 18:50.34 | SimonRaven | it worky |
| 18:50.46 | SimonRaven | @berr stew and greycat |
| 18:50.50 | SimonRaven | @beer stew and greycat |
| 18:50.58 | antgel | !livecd |
| 18:50.59 | dpkg | hmm... livecd is A live CD is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. |
| 18:51.12 | antgel | somebody _please_ tell me how to correct the fricking thing |
| 18:51.21 | Nebulous | ah, much better. Heimdal is listening on tcp:88 |
| 18:51.25 | antgel | if i die tonight, that's my legacy to #debian |
| 18:51.44 | Whisky_ | antgel: DNS failure :p |
| 18:52.04 | antgel | Whisky_: so you can't ping it from there? |
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| 18:52.43 | Whisky_ | nslookup fails |
| 18:52.48 | Whisky_ | although i can ping the linux box :p |
| 18:53.00 | Whisky_ | a windowz guy says i should install a dns server on the linux box |
| 18:53.01 | antgel | Whisky_: can you ping the dns server? |
| 18:53.09 | antgel | Whisky_: he's a gimp |
| 18:53.14 | Whisky_ | lol |
| 18:53.21 | Whisky_ | Let me try pinging the DNS servers |
| 18:53.26 | antgel | Whisky_: you could but shouldn't have to |
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| 18:53.39 | Whisky_ | why not ? |
| 18:53.42 | SimonRaven | you could install one on another box, and fetch dns from it |
| 18:54.08 | Vladi | hi, im trying to decide which file system to use on a network file server ( dual p3-450Mhz 512 RAM 100Mbits NIC ) files will be mostly ~700MB and MP3's? ReiserFS,Reiser4,ext3,XFS,JFS? thx! |
| 18:54.14 | Whisky_ | the windows guy also says i should install a dns server on my box and tell the windows box to use the linux box as a dns server :/ |
| 18:54.14 | antgel | Whisky_: you just shouldn't have to. that's the point of routing. you can access external servers without needing your own. |
| 18:54.32 | antgel | Whisky_: why not just mirror the internet on your lan? ;) |
| 18:54.33 | Morti | Vladi: ext3 |
| 18:54.40 | Whisky_ | ermm? :s |
| 18:54.55 | Morti | Well, I'd choose that because I like it and know how it works. ;) |
| 18:54.56 | SimonRaven | Whisky_: um, frankly, he's speaking sense. WINS is crap |
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| 18:55.09 | azreal | Vladi: yeah, sounds like ext3 would be the best choice. |
| 18:55.10 | antgel | Whisky_: put another way - there is a problem here and it should be fixed. not bodged |
| 18:55.11 | Vladi | Morti: can u explain some advantages :) |
| 18:55.11 | Whisky_ | ahan... |
| 18:55.19 | Whisky_ | kkk :p |
| 18:55.22 | Whisky_ | now what should i do ? |
| 18:55.25 | antgel | SimonRaven: what does wins have to do with it? |
| 18:55.31 | antgel | Whisky_: did you ping the dns server yet? |
| 18:55.40 | Vladi | azreal: can u explain a bit more why ? thx! |
| 18:55.45 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:55.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:55.46 | antgel | Whisky_: what version of windows you using? |
| 18:55.46 | azreal | Vladi: 2, XFS is to agressive for that machine build, and reisefs is a pile of shit that looses large files. |
| 18:55.50 | antgel | !thx |
| 18:55.51 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 18:55.53 | Morti | Vladi: It's the most common and support is more readily available. |
| 18:55.56 | SimonRaven | i just think having a few services on the lan is useful |
| 18:55.57 | abrotman | azreal: loses |
| 18:56.03 | Whisky_ | antgel: WinXP |
| 18:56.04 | Whisky_ | Pro |
| 18:56.06 | antgel | it's like a human |
| 18:56.07 | Morti | Also I like the way it handles permissions and links and th elike. |
| 18:56.10 | SimonRaven | antgel: ^^^^ |
| 18:56.20 | Morti | I don't know enough about the others to do a full comparison though. |
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| 18:56.26 | cougar` | Anyone use gnugpg? |
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| 18:56.29 | antgel | Whisky_: then don't worry about wins. xp doesn't need that crap. |
| 18:56.32 | azreal | abrotman: based on personal experience, i would have to disagree. |
| 18:56.37 | Vladi | Morti: thx :) |
| 18:56.38 | antgel | it has it's own crap. :) |
| 18:56.38 | Whisky_ | lol k |
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| 18:56.50 | abrotman | azreal: the word is 'loses' .. not 'looses' .. |
| 18:56.57 | Whisky_ | so what do i need to on the Linux box and what on the win one ? |
| 18:57.09 | antgel | Whisky_: you need to ping the isp dns server. please. |
| 18:57.19 | antgel | from the xp box |
| 18:57.25 | Whisky_ | k hang |
| 18:57.26 | azreal | abrotman: oh, did you notice i used to insteadd of too, also? :P |
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| 18:57.39 | abrotman | azreal: i did .. but that doesn't bother me as much :) |
| 18:57.48 | azreal | abrotman: oops, i mispelled instead |
| 18:57.52 | soyuz | shite! what's the frikkin command to add a script to init.d ? |
| 18:57.53 | abrotman | azreal: and misspelled aggressive |
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| 18:58.04 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: should the MIT krb5 client be able to connect to the heimdal kdc server? |
| 18:58.04 | Octavian | hi there |
| 18:58.10 | SimonRaven | Whisky_: yeh, proper routing is better than ugly hacks |
| 18:58.10 | azreal | grr, i suck at spelling anyhow. |
| 18:58.10 | goccia | Whisky_: ask any resident guru about MSS CLAMPING :) |
| 18:58.12 | Vladi | Morti, abrotman : did i mention it will be mostly accessed via NFS too would that have a say in it ? |
| 18:58.14 | antgel | soyuz: vi? cp? |
| 18:58.17 | Octavian | ca anyone tell my how to enable windowmaker? |
| 18:58.21 | soyuz | heh... |
| 18:58.22 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: i don't see why not. same protocol |
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| 18:58.32 | Octavian | s/ca/can/g |
| 18:58.34 | abrotman | Vladi: use ext3 |
| 18:58.37 | abrotman | Will_: bouncy! |
| 18:58.40 | antgel | soyuz: update-rc.d? |
| 18:58.40 | Nebulous | hmm, cause it's not. |
| 18:58.40 | PerfDave | cougar`: No, I use gnupg :) |
| 18:58.46 | azreal | Octavian: explain enable? |
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| 18:58.47 | soyuz | antgel: I'd love to ed your head... |
| 18:58.48 | stew | abrotman: /ignore #debian JOINS |
| 18:58.51 | cougar` | PerfDave : yeah, that's it :P |
| 18:58.54 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: might be some weirdnesses with config, and minor other things. but that's all in the heimdal docs |
| 18:58.54 | abrotman | stew: no way! |
| 18:58.59 | Morti | Vladi: I wouldn't recommend NFS for anything. But no, it doesn't make a difference. |
| 18:58.59 | abrotman | stew: how will i know when you show up!?!?! |
| 18:59.00 | soyuz | dat's it!! |
| 18:59.06 | stew | abrotman: /ignore -regex Will_ #debian JOINS |
| 18:59.09 | soyuz | cripes I gotta write that down someplace... |
| 18:59.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:59.26 | abrotman | stew: i talked with him about it the other day .. he actually has no idea he bounces all day |
| 18:59.28 | stew | abrotman: i never leave anyway |
| 18:59.31 | Whisky_ | antgel: 100% packet loss on both primary and secondary DNS servers |
| 18:59.34 | abrotman | stew: sure you do |
| 18:59.37 | azreal | Octavian: if you mean how to start it, look at the file .xinitrc, place a line at the end that says "exec wmaker". |
| 18:59.38 | abrotman | stew: did you go this morning? |
| 18:59.38 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Thanks for all your help :) |
| 18:59.40 | Octavian | azreal: well... currently gnome is running (sarge), i want to enable windowmaker for my account, whily leaving gnome for other useres |
| 18:59.42 | antgel | Whisky_: that could be your problem. |
| 18:59.44 | s_ward | cougar`, I use it too... without the superfluous G, I'll have to get one of them for myself :) |
| 18:59.46 | cougar` | PerfDave : I have a question: I created my secret / private key. I encrypted a file. When I decrypt it, it asks for my passphrase. All good. Now, do I need to sign? In fact, I'm confused about the signing thing? Why should I sign? |
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| 18:59.47 | PerfDave | Whisky_: No worries. |
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| 19:00.03 | cougar` | hehe s_ward :P |
| 19:00.05 | soyuz | thank you antgel for yer cooperation. we now return you to your previous lifetime. |
| 19:00.09 | Whisky_ | antgel: Change of DNS servers needed ? |
| 19:00.10 | PerfDave | cougar`: You need to go to http://www.gnupg.org/ and read the documentation until you understand it. |
| 19:00.20 | SimonRaven | cougar`: there's some fine tutorials on the web WRT gpg and keys, and such |
| 19:00.22 | asg | cougar`: or install gnupg-doc |
| 19:00.23 | antgel | Whisky_: what's it set to? |
| 19:00.34 | azreal | Octavian: yeah, then do what i said, you may have to put the same line in .xsession, if you are useing a xdm style session login. |
| 19:00.37 | SimonRaven | cougar`: ^^^ that's a good place to start |
| 19:00.38 | Whisky_ | my ISP's DNS servers |
| 19:00.48 | PerfDave | cougar`: You need to sign to make sure that the file hasn't been tampered with. |
| 19:00.53 | antgel | Whisky_: what's the ip? |
| 19:01.04 | abrotman | stew: you did not ? |
| 19:01.06 | antgel | as it is in the windows box please, no assumptions. :) |
| 19:01.10 | azreal | Octavian: i allways just make .xsession a symbolic link to .xinitrc. |
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| 19:01.23 | cougar` | PerfDave : I have read that. But what confuses me is, when do you sign? Do I encrypt. Then, after encryption, sign? Do I sign before I encrypt? |
| 19:01.24 | PeterB | Whisky_: Can you ping any IP at all from the Windows box? |
| 19:01.35 | azreal | Octavian: someone is likely to shake there finger at you for that, but i dont give a shit. |
| 19:01.39 | PerfDave | cougar`: You tell GPG to sign and encrypt, and it'll do it all for you :) |
| 19:01.49 | Whisky_ | antgel: 203.128.5.100 |
| 19:01.50 | PerfDave | cougar`: I believe traditionally that you encrypt first, then sign. |
| 19:01.56 | tug | Hi |
| 19:02.09 | cougar` | okay, well, if I use gpg -s -e <file> when it's done, using gpg --verify says unknown data |
| 19:02.20 | Whisky_ | PeterB: I just pinged Google.com and i get replies but the thing is that I get packet loss when my Linux box doesn't respond to the Windows one. The Linux box seems to hate it. |
| 19:02.23 | kitty-kun | So |
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| 19:02.29 | antgel | Whisky_: what PeterB said |
| 19:02.31 | kitty-kun | how do i get to a 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 19:02.33 | Whisky_ | so i get like 20-30% loss in whatever I do |
| 19:02.44 | antgel | Whisky_: hardware |
| 19:02.45 | Octavian | azreal: thx :) |
| 19:02.46 | Whisky_ | antgel: I told him yes I could ping |
| 19:02.51 | Whisky_ | hardware ? |
| 19:02.58 | cn | is there a prog that make tunnel for irc by port 80? |
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| 19:03.06 | asg | kitty-kun: what debian version are you running? |
| 19:03.10 | rumpl | kitty-kun, apt-cache search... |
| 19:03.10 | kitty-kun | i dunno >.> |
| 19:03.14 | stew | abrotman: i last signed on 5 days ago |
| 19:03.14 | cougar` | PerfDave : That's what been botherin' me |
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| 19:03.23 | antgel | Whisky_: could be hardware. if you do an ifconfig, are there any errors listed in RX or TX for either card? |
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| 19:03.26 | abrotman | stew: i meant riding |
| 19:03.30 | stew | oh, no |
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| 19:03.36 | stew | i was out too late last night |
| 19:03.36 | abrotman | stew: slacker :) |
| 19:03.39 | asg | kitty-kun: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install one from the list.) |
| 19:03.40 | abrotman | out late!??! |
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| 19:03.55 | stew | i'll run for an hour, in a bit, i'm no slacker |
| 19:03.55 | Whisky_ | for eth0: RX bytes:192068 (187.5 KiB) TX bytes:771199 (753.1 KiB) |
| 19:03.56 | CodeWarrior_ | hello all |
| 19:04.04 | antgel | Whisky_: of errors? |
| 19:04.04 | Whisky_ | for eth1: RX bytes:2692438 (2.5 MiB) TX bytes:509401 (497.4 KiB) |
| 19:04.06 | PerfDave | cougar`: Well, it works for me. |
| 19:04.07 | DaViDeX | Hi |
| 19:04.13 | kitty-kun | 2.6.12 isn't a choice |
| 19:04.17 | Whisky_ | eth1 is now connected to the internet and eth0 is local |
| 19:04.23 | asg | kitty-kun: and you need a 2.6.12 kernel why? |
| 19:04.25 | Tiriel | How can I findo out where I have an external USB disk plugged?? |
| 19:04.32 | abrotman | Tiriel: dmesg |
| 19:04.33 | PerfDave | cougar`: Have you set up your default key etc. in your gnupg cnfig? |
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| 19:04.37 | abrotman | Tiriel: lsusb |
| 19:04.42 | antgel | Whisky_: error count isn't in bytes. _please_ listen to me. i want to help as was rude before but also want to leave fricking office. |
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| 19:04.54 | stew | asg: its called linux-image not kernel-image |
| 19:04.58 | Tiriel | when plugged directly it was on /dev/sda, but now is plugged into a hub and I cannot find it |
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| 19:05.09 | asg | stew: kernel-image is a virtual package that lists installable debian kernels |
| 19:05.10 | cougar` | PerfDave : What exactly did you do? I did, gpg -s -e <file> Asked for my pass phrase, finished up nicely. Used gpg --verify ... gpg: verify signatures failed: unexpected data |
| 19:05.12 | Whisky_ | oh sorry |
| 19:05.19 | Whisky_ | it's in packets, right ? |
| 19:05.24 | cougar` | PerfDave : I have no idea. First thing I did was gpg --gen-key |
| 19:05.24 | gerald | !snmp |
| 19:05.25 | dpkg | i heard snmp is the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 19:05.28 | Whisky_ | 0 errors for both |
| 19:05.54 | stew | asg: are you sure, even with the name change from kernel-image to linux-image? |
| 19:06.03 | antgel | Whisky_: good. do you get packet loss if you ping the linux box from the windows one? |
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| 19:06.17 | PerfDave | cougar`: I did "gpg --sign --encrypt $file" |
| 19:06.29 | asg | stew: unless something has changed in the last few days, apt-get install kernel-image will list kernel-image packages that can be installed. |
| 19:06.30 | cougar` | PerfDave : When I decrypt it after using those 2 commands, it says Good Signature. So it works, just the verify does not work. |
| 19:06.30 | Tiriel | lsusb returns Bus 001 device 004: ID 05e3:0702 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 IDE Adapter |
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| 19:06.54 | asg | stew: I know there is a linux-image for 2.6.12 but that implies he is running sid |
| 19:06.55 | Whisky_ | antgel: Just tried and out of 4 packets, 3 were received successfully and 1 lost. |
| 19:06.56 | cougar` | PerDave: Okay, stand by... |
| 19:06.58 | Octavian | azreal: modifying ~/.xinitrc doesnt help a bit (still gnome) |
| 19:07.05 | Octavian | azreal: modifying ~/.xinitrc doesnt help a bit (still gnome) |
| 19:07.18 | PerfDave | cougar`: I don't know what your problem is. You may want to ask #gnupg :) |
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| 19:07.24 | antgel | Whisky_: so we have narrowed it down a _little_ |
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| 19:07.30 | Octavian | rehi |
| 19:07.31 | abrotman | Tiriel: don't do that |
| 19:07.36 | Whisky_ | kk |
| 19:07.38 | Tiriel | sorry |
| 19:07.38 | stew | asg: just tested, apt-get -t sid install kernel-image doens't list 2.6.12 |
| 19:07.40 | SimonRaven | Octavian: gnome has a .~gnomerc |
| 19:07.42 | abrotman | Tiriel: talk in the channel .. use dmesg |
| 19:07.46 | cougar` | PerfDave : Did gpg --verify work correctly? |
| 19:07.50 | SimonRaven | Octavian: err, typo, .gnomerc |
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| 19:07.57 | stew | asg: he's running sid, he wants 2.6.12 because he wants udev, don't know why he wants udev |
| 19:07.59 | Octavian | SimonRaven: i do not want gnome at all |
| 19:08.01 | antgel | Whisky_: i still wonder if there is a dodgy hardware thing going on, but it's not likely. what about packet loss pinging windows from linux? |
| 19:08.02 | PerfDave | cougar`: Yes |
| 19:08.06 | Octavian | SimonRaven: just wmaker |
| 19:08.07 | Tiriel | What do I have to look for in dmesg? |
| 19:08.08 | asg | stew: right |
| 19:08.11 | kitty-kun | neither do i >.> |
| 19:08.20 | kitty-kun | but uh... it's screwing me over >.> |
| 19:08.22 | PerfDave | cougar`: Oh, no, it didn't. |
| 19:08.24 | SimonRaven | Octavian: oh, so exec wmaker should do it |
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| 19:08.34 | SimonRaven | Octavian: did you chmod +x .xsession ? |
| 19:08.35 | cougar` | PerfDave : Cool, then I'm A'OK then. |
| 19:08.47 | cougar` | I'm gonna join #gnupg |
| 19:08.50 | Octavian | SimonRaven: good point, yes i did :) |
| 19:08.52 | Whisky_ | antgel: it is un-pingable :| . Nothing happens, no loss no gain, just hangs there |
| 19:08.56 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: hmm, still havine some issues here. now it's "Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm", even on localhost (MIT at least worked from localhost, but not from the network) |
| 19:09.02 | *** part/#debian s0n1 (~foo@200.102.96.79) |
| 19:09.08 | Whisky_ | 40 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 39077ms |
| 19:09.19 | gerald | Hi, again, I am lookging for help with receiving traps (snmp) either with snmptrapd or snmptt etc and integrating it with nagios. I am having trouble finding info online for debian and its stable components. If this is the wrong forum for such questions please let me know, all help appreciated. |
| 19:09.31 | antgel | Whisky_: doesn't sound too good to me. can you confirm that windows box has "internet connection firewall" switched off? it's in the tcp/ip properties |
| 19:09.31 | PerfDave | cougar`: Looking at the file, it seems to have signed first, then encrypted, so it's reasonable that --verify can't check it. |
| 19:09.36 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: i get that too, i think that's for krb4 since my ticket for krb5 is findable |
| 19:09.40 | Whisky_ | ok let me check |
| 19:09.58 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: oh, you're right, I do have a ticket |
| 19:10.06 | SimonRaven | Credentials cache: FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_1000 |
| 19:10.06 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.11 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 19:10.14 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: I just saw a nasty looking error message, and assumed it failed |
| 19:10.39 | kitty-kun | do i need to compile the kernel? |
| 19:10.47 | cougar` | PerfDave : maybe we want to encrypt then sign? :) |
| 19:11.01 | SimonRaven | kitty-kun: if you have to ask, don't. get a debian kernel |
| 19:11.01 | stew | kitty-kun: no. what are you trying to do? |
| 19:11.03 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: okay... now to just get the remote kinit to work :| |
| 19:11.05 | PerfDave | cougar`: I'm sure GPG has its reasons for doing things that way round, and I'm sure that the documentation will tell you :) |
| 19:11.10 | asg | kitty-kun: if you are running unstable, install linux-image-2.6.12-1-* as stew said. |
| 19:11.23 | PerfDave | Oh God, somebody got kitty-kun running unstable? |
| 19:11.26 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: my 'remote' is on the lan |
| 19:11.36 | stew | PerfDave: yes, some idiot told him to upgrade |
| 19:11.39 | stew | "upgrade" |
| 19:11.45 | PerfDave | stew: Oh dear. |
| 19:11.46 | antgel | i forgot about him. :) |
| 19:11.48 | asg | it wasn't me, I was having lunch |
| 19:11.55 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: are you able to get any of the logging directives in /etc/krb5.conf to work? |
| 19:11.56 | SimonRaven | and s/he listened? *sigh* |
| 19:12.01 | kitty-kun | meh |
| 19:12.04 | kitty-kun | >.< |
| 19:12.07 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: yeh |
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| 19:12.11 | Whisky_ | antgel: Network Connections > LAN connection Properties > Advanced > Windows Firewall > Disabled. |
| 19:12.15 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: lemme get you an example |
| 19:12.17 | Whisky_ | its disabled :/ |
| 19:12.20 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: i don't get any logging... :( |
| 19:12.23 | PerfDave | SimonRaven: It's kitty-kun, they'll listen to anything anyone says if they're not saying "read this documentation" :) |
| 19:12.29 | kitty-kun | I didn't listen >.> |
| 19:12.30 | cougar` | PerfDave : YEah well, I can't find it. And switching the arguments didn't do anything : |
| 19:12.33 | cougar` | :P |
| 19:12.38 | antgel | Whisky_: good. just for the record, try /etc/init.d/networking restart, then try the ping again |
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| 19:12.43 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: fyi, heimdal looks in /var/lib/heimdal first for kdc conf |
| 19:12.47 | antgel | Whisky_: ping linux -> windows |
| 19:12.50 | PerfDave | cougar`: I wouldn't expect switching the order of the arguments to make any difference. |
| 19:12.56 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: yeah, i found that (i thought it was odd, but i found it there) |
| 19:13.01 | SimonRaven | [logging] |
| 19:13.11 | Whisky_ | 10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 9008ms |
| 19:13.15 | cougar` | PerfDave : It was worth a shot :P |
| 19:13.16 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:13.42 | gerald | abrotman is this a bad place to ask questions about snmptrapdfmt? |
| 19:13.45 | PerfDave | cougar`: I suppose that signing *after* encryption leaks data that signing *before* encryption doesn't, so it's a sensible thing to do. |
| 19:13.45 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: i'm trying to configure the client to connect auth to the kerberos server, but it's not taking, and I'm not getting any logging. Ah, I don't have an entry for logfile, I had default, kdc and admin_server |
| 19:13.50 | antgel | Whisky_: did you restart networking? |
| 19:13.54 | Whisky_ | yup |
| 19:14.01 | abrotman | gerald: problem is finding someone that uses enough snmp to give you help |
| 19:14.03 | Whisky_ | ./etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:14.13 | cds | Is there no way to have one config file for exim in Sarge, rather than conf.d? |
| 19:14.20 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: you can set each to have a log file, or stick it all in one file |
| 19:14.21 | abrotman | it asks you when you install |
| 19:14.23 | gerald | abrotman ok, just didn't want to waste time in the wrong place |
| 19:14.30 | asg | cds: yes, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config asks you that as the first question |
| 19:14.32 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: kinit still isn't logging anything |
| 19:14.34 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: i GTG soon |
| 19:14.35 | goccia | Whisky_: is ip_forward=yes on /etc/network/options ? |
| 19:14.38 | abrotman | gerald: if noone answers .. wait a bit .. ask again . or maybe try ##linux |
| 19:14.44 | antgel | Whisky_: ok, in /etc/network/interfaces (which i'd like you to paste in #flood btw), swap eth0 and eth1. swap the cables. restart networking. try again. make sure you didn't miss anything this time. |
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| 19:14.54 | asg | cds: also, the docs in /usr/share/doc/exim4* tell you how to give debconf the finger and just use your own static file. |
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| 19:15.07 | AlexBO | hello everybody. I've a strange problem.I have copied some files from a cd and now i can't unmount it. "Device is busy": that's impossible! i've fusered it too: nothing.how can i do? |
| 19:15.08 | gerald | abrotman ok thanks for your help, you answered my questions, i felt like i was spamming people with my q thanks |
| 19:15.14 | cougar` | PerfDave : What is a sensibile thing to do? |
| 19:15.18 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: okay, just a quicky, do I have to add a computer account for each machine that I want kerberos to allow to authenticate to it? |
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| 19:15.20 | asg | AlexBO: cd ~ ; umount /cdrom |
| 19:15.31 | PerfDave | cougar`: Signing first, then encrypting, is a sensible thing to do even though it breaks --verify. |
| 19:15.32 | asg | AlexBO: if that doesn't work, use fuser or lsof to find what is still using the cdrom |
| 19:15.33 | Whisky_ | antgel: I swapped the cables earlier because they wont work the other way round so I switched eth0 with eth1 accordingly in /etc/network/interfaces too |
| 19:15.51 | abrotman | gerald: yeah .. the crowd rotates all day .. so in the AM .. you might not get anyhting . in the evning . there might be 10 people |
| 19:16.00 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: one per host. host/fqdn.if.any.else.hostname@REALM |
| 19:16.06 | antgel | Whisky_: i have to say that if they don't work the other way around, there must be a problem somewhere. perhaps we got some false hope. |
| 19:16.10 | gerald | abrotman thanks i try ##linux |
| 19:16.14 | antgel | Whisky_: can you try again anyway? |
| 19:16.16 | AlexBO | asg: okey |
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| 19:16.25 | Whisky_ | ermm ok. |
| 19:16.27 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: same for services, e.g. ldap/foo.bar.tld@REALM |
| 19:16.29 | cds | asg: I said the one file, but I'm still getting the dir. I read /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz but it confused me |
| 19:16.31 | Whisky_ | Ill be right back in 5 minutes. |
| 19:16.39 | Whisky_ | bye |
| 19:16.58 | antgel | Whisky_: i'm going home. the chaps and chapesses will assist you further. |
| 19:16.59 | Whisky_ | any last minute tips ? |
| 19:17.01 | Whisky_ | :S |
| 19:17.02 | Whisky_ | k |
| 19:17.04 | Whisky_ | bye |
| 19:17.07 | SimonRaven | Nebulous: make sure your DNS is working |
| 19:17.09 | antgel | always put your socks on before your shoes |
| 19:17.19 | AlexBO | asg: what's gam_server? it's using the cdrom |
| 19:17.21 | abrotman | fucking shit .. tell him about enter |
| 19:17.36 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: I have it configured per this orielly book, and double checked with other sources |
| 19:17.36 | SimonRaven | AlexBO: dlocate gam_server |
| 19:17.42 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 19:17.49 | asg | cds: I don't use exim anymore but iirc, if you configure either a /etc/exim.conf or /etc/exim4/exim.conf, then you can forget about the whole debian config helpers. |
| 19:18.12 | SimonRaven | /etc/exim4/exim4.conf |
| 19:18.19 | cds | asg: ah, right. Thanks :) |
| 19:18.20 | asg | AlexBO: not a clue, something that is running on your box. Find its PID using ps, look in /proc/<PID> for more info. |
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| 19:18.50 | AlexBO | asg: yes, i can see it with pstree -p |
| 19:18.50 | petemc | asg: what're you using now, postfix? |
| 19:18.55 | asg | petemc: qmail |
| 19:18.58 | AlexBO | asg: i try to kill it |
| 19:19.06 | _metaperl | we have wireless at our house. I have no idea why it will not setup. Here is the dmesg output: http://www.hcoop.net/~terry/tmp/wireless/dmesg.txt and here is the interfaces file: http://www.hcoop.net/~terry/tmp/wireless/interfaces ... I would appreciate any feedback on how to get wireless internet working on my pcmcia wireless card |
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| 19:19.12 | asg | AlexBO: and also find what started it and why. You should always know what is running on your system. |
| 19:19.24 | petemc | asg: interesting :) |
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| 19:19.57 | AlexBO | asg: now it works.i can eject the disc.well, i'll search this program on google.thanks! |
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| 19:20.31 | asg | petemc: I like change. Postfix almost did it but not quite. |
| 19:20.34 | AaronX | In Mplayer Is there A way to Get Codecs for Other Video Types? |
| 19:20.49 | abrotman | #mplayer |
| 19:20.53 | _metaperl | AaronX: such as? |
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| 19:20.57 | abrotman | !tell AaronX about mplayer |
| 19:21.00 | abrotman | !tell AaronX about marillat |
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| 19:21.16 | petemc | asg: the lack of delivery time verification doesnt bother you? or is there an unofficial patch for that? |
| 19:21.22 | AaronX | Well, I want it to play Wmv movies... but its not working... the sound works... just no vidoe... |
| 19:21.31 | Azar | o/t Novell might ground SCO for good |
| 19:21.32 | AaronX | its a Windows Media Player Format... |
| 19:21.36 | cougar` | PerfDave : Signing is not needed unless you are signing an email so someone knows it's from you. |
| 19:21.46 | _metaperl | yes the marillat message from dpkg should be of help |
| 19:21.58 | _metaperl | you can download somethings from his deb repository to get that to work... sorta |
| 19:22.08 | _metaperl | out of 10-15 wmvs I got 1 or 2 to work :) |
| 19:22.20 | PerfDave | _metaperl: Do you have wireless-tools installed? Also, your interfaces file looks invalid - do you not get errors when you try to do "ifup eth2"? |
| 19:22.20 | Nebulous | hmm, I don't think the unstable ntpdate likes me |
| 19:22.24 | PerfDave | WMV is shit and wrong. |
| 19:22.41 | kitty-kun | wmv sucks |
| 19:22.48 | PerfDave | cougar`: Yes, but usually if something's worth encrypting, it's worth signing too. |
| 19:22.58 | AaronX | Yes I know... but I don't Feel like changing The format rightn ow. |
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| 19:23.08 | PerfDave | AaronX: Why are you Randomly Capitlaising Words? |
| 19:23.22 | AaronX | So does anyone have a solution or not? |
| 19:23.25 | rbochan | heH |
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| 19:23.45 | Nebulous | i've seen people that capitalize the first letter of every word |
| 19:23.50 | PerfDave | AaronX: You can try w32codecs from Marillat. If it doesn't work, you're probably SOL. |
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| 19:23.55 | _metaperl | PerfDave: well, there was no response when I did ifup eth2... no error for certain.. I have forgottten whe.. no. it did not hang. it just came back to console |
| 19:23.59 | Nebulous | That Is Very Distracting, Especially When They Type A Lot. |
| 19:24.01 | AaronX | PerfDave Sorry, I'm hitting the shift key every once and awhile... |
| 19:24.14 | rbochan | piano player? |
| 19:24.16 | PerfDave | _metaperl: And what does "ifconfig eth2" say? |
| 19:24.16 | Azar | pinky finger has a long nail |
| 19:24.19 | mond0 | can i install iptables with apt? |
| 19:24.25 | shingouz | Nebulous: No Shit? :p |
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| 19:24.32 | _metaperl | PerfDave: I think I will get wireless-tools and save it on CDROM and then install when I get home... |
| 19:24.36 | PerfDave | mond0: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:25.12 | PerfDave | _metaperl: Get libiw27 too :) |
| 19:25.13 | _metaperl | where do I look for wireless-tools and all dependencies online? I need to d/l them all and burn them and then install when I get home via dpkg |
| 19:25.39 | DA_ | _metaperl: packages.debian.org? |
| 19:25.40 | shingouz | _metaperl: just apt-cache search for them |
| 19:26.19 | shingouz | oh. sorry |
| 19:26.25 | AaronX | Where can I find a Link to w32codecs from Marillat |
| 19:26.31 | AaronX | ? |
| 19:26.33 | shingouz | more caffeine needed |
| 19:26.45 | PerfDave | AaronX: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 19:28.19 | Nebulous | okay, something is bound to port 110 on my server... but I don't see anything obvious in ps. how do i find out what it is? |
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| 19:28.47 | Azar | Nebulous first check what port 110 is about |
| 19:28.48 | stew | Nebulous: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 19:28.48 | s_ward | Nebulous, netstat |
| 19:28.56 | sciron | Nebulous> netstat -antp | grep :110 |
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| 19:29.00 | Nebulous | i know what port 110 is Azar :P |
| 19:29.01 | goccia | Nebulous: lsof -i:110 |
| 19:29.12 | sciron | imo goccia's is better |
| 19:30.04 | Azar | Nebulous I did not ment it to sound like that: I ment see what application might use it |
| 19:30.07 | Nebulous | ah, I see. heimdall installed kerberized versions of services in /etc/inetd, even though I didn't have those services installed before (Because I didn't want them) |
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| 19:30.28 | kitty-kun | argggggggh |
| 19:30.44 | kitty-kun | it won't let me use dist-upgrade until I get a 2.6.12 kernel |
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| 19:30.49 | AaronX | How do I install w32codecs from Marillat? I'm having troubles.... |
| 19:30.55 | Nebulous | thanks |
| 19:31.03 | shingouz | kitty-kun: what on earth are you trying to do? |
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| 19:31.19 | gpippiniii | is there another forum than ##linux all they want to do is discuss jesusus sexuality |
| 19:31.20 | shingouz | AaronX: apt-get them |
| 19:31.25 | stew | AaronX: what have you tried so far? |
| 19:31.37 | AaronX | The Commands on their site |
| 19:31.39 | kitty-kun | apt-get dist-upgrade >.> |
| 19:31.44 | FlopsyPete | AaronX: in case you're tempted by marillat's mozilla-mplayer, I've found it to be very unstable, crashing Firefox often |
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| 19:31.50 | rabies | hey, whats the website name where i can get old packages? |
| 19:31.53 | AaronX | gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add - |
| 19:31.57 | asg | rabies: snapshot.debian.net |
| 19:31.57 | shingouz | kitty-kun: from what to what? |
| 19:32.01 | rabies | asg: thx |
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| 19:32.10 | AaronX | I'm not using regular Debian... I'm using a Gamecube Version... |
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| 19:32.17 | asg | petemc: was afk, in what context did you mean lack of dtv? |
| 19:32.21 | AaronX | I can't have Firefox... |
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| 19:32.41 | shingouz | AaronX: and the gamecube version of debian is called? |
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| 19:32.47 | Azar | lynx or links is ok too AaronX |
| 19:32.50 | Nebulous | debcube? |
| 19:32.55 | Azar | hahaha |
| 19:33.11 | AaronX | Http://gc-linux.com |
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| 19:33.28 | PerfDave | Oh, for fuck's sake, we're supposed to be supporting *gamecubes* on #debian now? |
| 19:33.29 | kitty-kun | what do you mean from what to what? |
| 19:33.32 | AaronX | Gnu/linux |
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| 19:33.36 | Nebulous | there really is a gamecube on linux? lol |
| 19:33.36 | SimonRaven | PerfDave: no |
| 19:33.39 | entheon | what would i use for a cronjob mysql backup? mysqldump asks for a password every time. so how would i set up a system to auto-auth with mysqldump? |
| 19:33.41 | AaronX | yes... |
| 19:33.42 | AaronX | lol |
| 19:33.44 | PerfDave | AaronX: I can't imagine that w32codecs from marillat will work on a gamecube. |
| 19:33.52 | PerfDave | AaronX: But you're not using Debian, so it's kind of moot. |
| 19:33.56 | SimonRaven | isn't a gamecube ppc? |
| 19:34.04 | asg | entheon: use a local my.cnf for the user doing backups |
| 19:34.07 | kitty-kun | WHY is there an atari kernel? |
| 19:34.07 | SimonRaven | yes it is.. *thought bubble* |
| 19:34.10 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: yes, a 486mhz one apparently |
| 19:34.15 | jetx | hey what is the approved method to give $USER permission to the svgalib. i get an error with mplayer -vo svga |
| 19:34.19 | AaronX | Well, I've gotten Video... but the codecs for it aren't all their on Mplayer... |
| 19:34.31 | _metaperl | we have wireless at our house. I have no idea why it will not setup. Here is the dmesg output: http://www.hcoop.net/~terry/tmp/wireless/dmesg.txt and here is the interfaces file: http://www.hcoop.net/~terry/tmp/wireless/interfaces ... I would appreciate any DA_ : thanks |
| 19:34.34 | _metaperl | oops |
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| 19:34.37 | _metaperl | DA_: thanks :) |
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| 19:34.49 | AaronX | I'm not sure what the Gamecube Specs are SimonRaven |
| 19:35.00 | SimonRaven | your client is autocompleting for you |
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| 19:35.10 | Nebulous | ibm powerpc cpu, 486 mhz. ati grapihcs, 40mb ram |
| 19:35.22 | petemc | asg: there isnt any |
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| 19:35.56 | AaronX | So anyone wanna help me with this GC Project of mine? |
| 19:35.58 | henk | how do i get in touch with the dotdeb guys ? |
| 19:36.08 | rixth | Quick question, will a dual core AMD X2 4200+ (2.2) actually run a 4.4 because of the two dies? |
| 19:36.11 | AaronX | Gamecube* |
| 19:36.12 | shingouz | AaronX: from a short browse on the site you showed me, that distro has *nothing* to do with debian |
| 19:36.23 | asg | petemc: you aren't talking about DSNs though, what do you mean by delivery time verification then (just curious) |
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| 19:36.32 | AaronX | Well, in the Kernal... it says it uses Debian... |
| 19:36.38 | shingouz | !kernal |
| 19:36.38 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 19:36.41 | AaronX | When Booting. |
| 19:36.49 | shingouz | !tell AaronX about based on debian |
| 19:36.55 | Lur | hello |
| 19:37.18 | shingouz | aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhh.... /me goes to bang his had on something hard |
| 19:37.21 | Lur | I read the man for interfaces |
| 19:37.22 | shingouz | head even |
| 19:37.25 | Nebulous | my god, i am such a noob |
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| 19:37.32 | SimonRaven | fuck, i only get spam coming from hotmail.com. i'm considering blocking them, or half of their mtas |
| 19:37.37 | asg | shingouz: at least is isn't banging his haddock |
| 19:37.38 | Lur | anyone here got any experience with wireless? |
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| 19:37.56 | asg | SimonRaven: in November, they most likely won't accept mail from you anyway so no loss. |
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| 19:38.03 | petemc | asg: whether a user exists or not |
| 19:38.07 | SimonRaven | asg: how's that? |
| 19:38.20 | jetx | so once again, 'nobody knows' eh |
| 19:38.21 | asg | petemc: oh, there is a file for defining known users. |
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| 19:38.26 | stew | SimonRaven: are you checking spf to make sure that the mail is acutally coming from hotmail? |
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| 19:38.29 | vIkSiT | hola all |
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| 19:38.35 | asg | SimonRaven: they will require sending mtas to implement Sender-ID or throw away mail |
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| 19:38.39 | SimonRaven | stew: oh it is |
| 19:38.45 | vIkSiT | anyone tell me if its possible to make an apt-system run off installation CDs? |
| 19:38.46 | petemc | asg: right, but it will accept the mail, then bounce it, which this day and age isnt acceptable |
| 19:38.48 | solomon | anybody know the current state of debian-installer? |
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| 19:39.05 | shingouz | vIkSiT: /msg dpkg chroot install |
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| 19:39.08 | SimonRaven | stew: SMTP connection from bay16-f22.bay16.hotmail.com (hotmail.com) [65.54.186.72] |
| 19:39.25 | solomon | i'm curious to try it, i got the latest image and it won't boot, i'm wondering whether to try another image or plow through some other way, or just use the stable image |
| 19:39.33 | shingouz | vIkSiT: i do have to tell you that the chroot install is not for noobs |
| 19:39.37 | solomon | i'm using the amd64 arch as well |
| 19:39.39 | stew | SimonRaven: add a custom SA rule that gives hotmail a +4? |
| 19:39.43 | SimonRaven | asg: oh, big woop. i was doing soft-fail before. (need to get it going again) |
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| 19:40.02 | vIkSiT | shingouz, not a problem. it is however, that i'm searching for a method to do this on FC.. |
| 19:40.03 | stew | Lur: if you have a real question ask it, tell us what you are trying to do |
| 19:40.07 | Lur | how do I get iwconfig to remember my encryption key? |
| 19:40.09 | SimonRaven | stew: now you're talkin' ;) |
| 19:40.11 | shingouz | solomon: use the stable installer, then upgrade if you need |
| 19:40.22 | vIkSiT | erm |
| 19:40.22 | jdhutchin1 | Lur, set it up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:40.23 | shingouz | vIkSiT: huh? |
| 19:40.28 | Lur | am trying |
| 19:40.29 | vIkSiT | shingouz, thats just a general chroot install.. |
| 19:40.32 | stew | Lur: man interfaces and look for wireless |
| 19:40.35 | Lur | I did |
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| 19:40.38 | shingouz | vIkSiT: with debootstrap |
| 19:40.41 | kitty-kun | where's the default location for kde? |
| 19:40.47 | stew | kitty-kun: dpkg -L pkgname |
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| 19:40.56 | vIkSiT | hmm, my aim : have apt-get install work, with files taken from a set of installation CDs.. |
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| 19:40.56 | jdhutchin1 | Lur, /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 19:40.57 | stew | Lur: what did you add to interfaces for your key? |
| 19:40.59 | vIkSiT | shingouz, .. |
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| 19:41.02 | solomon | shingouz: ooh, i just noticed there is no stable amd64 installer. i wonder if there is any working amd64 installer at all.. i wonder what the state of the amd64 arch is for that matter :/ |
| 19:41.02 | jetx | OK SO i should just chown svga* you say |
| 19:41.05 | SimonRaven | oh, i'd point people to tomboy, it's rather useful. runs in xfce4's panel nicely too |
| 19:41.06 | asg | petemc: yeah, you have a point |
| 19:41.20 | rumpl | how many guys have kde here? |
| 19:41.23 | jetx | none |
| 19:41.27 | jetx | kde is gone |
| 19:41.27 | rumpl | good |
| 19:41.27 | Lur | stew, I added Encryption key (insert key) |
| 19:41.30 | jetx | it dieded |
| 19:41.39 | stew | Lur: shoud be wireless-key foo |
| 19:41.44 | Lur | oh |
| 19:41.46 | Lur | thanks |
| 19:41.46 | stew | Lur: you should re-read the manpage |
| 19:41.47 | shingouz | vIkSiT: seriously. check the docs, iirc there was a nice text on how to install debian over the network on something running deadrat |
| 19:41.49 | rixth | Quick question, will a dual core AMD X2 4200+ (2.2) actually run a 4.4 because of the two cores? I'm looking at going 64bit and decided whether to get a single or dual core CPU. |
| 19:42.10 | Lur | thanks |
| 19:42.10 | vIkSiT | shingouz, but where's the network coming into the picture at all? :) |
| 19:42.12 | jetx | !irritate #channel |
| 19:42.13 | dpkg | #channel: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh quake3 kthx |
| 19:42.13 | Azar | darn! SCO might not even own the copyrights on Unix, all lawsuits are just low blows |
| 19:42.17 | Lur | let us see if I can reboot now |
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| 19:42.24 | kadigibox | Does anyone know how to resize prints from PDF? |
| 19:42.28 | stew | why reboot?... |
| 19:42.30 | shingouz | vIkSiT: nowhere. just a cool addition. of course you can use the same commands locally |
| 19:42.33 | vIkSiT | its just the apt system getting file info from CDs.. |
| 19:42.36 | vIkSiT | aah |
| 19:42.40 | vIkSiT | that way :) |
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| 19:42.42 | shingouz | stew: what is reboot? |
| 19:42.43 | mond0 | how do i get iptables running on Debian? i did an apt-get install iptables, but i don't seem to have the kernel module . . (?) |
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| 19:42.54 | kadigibox | is there a LPR command or some way to perform that? |
| 19:43.02 | valdyn | mond0: you do if you run a debian kernel. |
| 19:43.05 | stew | shingouz: i forget |
| 19:43.20 | stew | mond0: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 19:43.36 | valdyn | mond0: and you do not need to load that module manually ( man iptables ) |
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| 19:44.01 | mls | kadigibox: /usr/bin/lpr |
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| 19:44.12 | valdyn | mond0: and.. its a bunch of modules, not 1 |
| 19:44.14 | mond0 | stew, 2.2.20-compact |
| 19:44.17 | asg | kadigibox: apt-file search bin/lpr |
| 19:44.18 | helpo | Is it possible to have apache 1.3 config style config file for apache2? |
| 19:44.28 | helpo | oops... let me re-edit that. |
| 19:44.30 | jetx | omg a woody installer kernel |
| 19:44.31 | shingouz | !tell mond0 about real kernel |
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| 19:44.39 | asg | jetx: at least it wasn't idepci |
| 19:44.40 | valdyn | mond0: ops, you're gonna need 2.4.x or higher. iirc |
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| 19:44.47 | Nebulous | i took down my kdc server so I could change some settings and troubleshoot it. then i decided to test with my non-unstable kerberos client, to see if that would work. I've spent the past half an hour troubleshooting that, trying to figure out why it wasn't working |
| 19:44.56 | Nebulous | I forgot to turn on the kerberos kdc daemon :| |
| 19:45.02 | helpo | Is it possible to make Apache2 config file look like apache1? I liked the 'merged' config. |
| 19:45.03 | tony | anybody knows what to do to write directly accented characters in PLAIN tex |
| 19:45.04 | SimonRaven | duh :) |
| 19:45.05 | stew | mond0: first of all iptables is 2.4 or newer, 2nd, you didn't read the install guide, you need a "real kernel" |
| 19:45.08 | valdyn | mond0: at least a 'real kernel' ( see above ) |
| 19:45.12 | stew | mond0: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:45.32 | vIkSiT | which reminds me.. |
| 19:45.45 | mond0 | stew, how would i know? |
| 19:45.46 | vIkSiT | my display refuses to work on debian.. monitor goes off on X startup.. |
| 19:45.58 | entheon | ok I'm getting this error - "tar: /dev/sa0: Cannot open: Permission denied\ntar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now" it's on a shared hosting system... why would this be and is there a simple workaround? i.e. a command line switch that will keep tar from accessing sd0? |
| 19:45.59 | stew | mond0: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:45.59 | shingouz | !tell vIkSiT about drxx |
| 19:46.13 | vIkSiT | if it was a newer one, i'd swear it was saying "out of frequency range" |
| 19:46.16 | mond0 | cat: /etc/debian_version: No such file or directory |
| 19:46.27 | vIkSiT | shingouz, already done that.. |
| 19:46.30 | vIkSiT | to no effect |
| 19:46.31 | stew | uhh |
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| 19:46.43 | mls | entheon: tar(1) |
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| 19:46.57 | cougar` | PerfDave : http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html <== Check out the Symmetric Ciphers |
| 19:47.00 | stew | mond0: join #flood and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:47.00 | shingouz | mond0: check what /etc/apt/sources.list tells you the repositories are? |
| 19:47.13 | valdyn | tony: directly as in? type 'á' or by typing ''' and 'a' to make an á ? |
| 19:47.14 | helpo | anybody? |
| 19:47.21 | kadigibox | I am just wanting to resize a PDF when printing. the print job I am useing through lpr command prints too small. I just need to know how to resize not install or run lpr |
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| 19:47.38 | vIkSiT | shingouz, worst part is.. no XF86Config Log has errors in it. |
| 19:47.46 | stew | Lur: btw. you didn't have to reboot, just /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:47.49 | vIkSiT | yet FC ran pretty well on it. |
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| 19:47.53 | Lur | oh... |
| 19:47.54 | Lur | well |
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| 19:47.55 | Lur | it works |
| 19:47.57 | Lur | thanks |
| 19:48.03 | stew | you're welcome |
| 19:48.11 | shingouz | hm.. out of my depth at the moment. unless you can grab the config off FC for the hell of it vIkSiT? |
| 19:48.14 | Lur | alright, talk to yall later |
| 19:48.17 | shingouz | afk for a while |
| 19:48.25 | tony | valdyn: directly as ñ, not \~n |
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| 19:48.32 | vIkSiT | shingouz, heh, this was a re-install over FC :) |
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| 19:48.41 | vIkSiT | am trying out deb for starters.. |
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| 19:48.57 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 19:48.57 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
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| 19:49.08 | mls | kadigibox: wrong printer driver, perhaps? |
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| 19:49.36 | tony | valdyn: i know there is a way, i did it earlier, but i can remember now, in plain tex |
| 19:49.43 | Whisky_ | bad routing bad routing |
| 19:49.57 | Azar | iptables, I already forgot all I tried to learn |
| 19:49.58 | valdyn | tony: oh, in tex.. |
| 19:50.00 | Whisky_ | PerfDave ? |
| 19:50.13 | tony | valdyn: yeap |
| 19:50.16 | szzs | hi, i have a question about the proftpd debian package. why was ist built with --enable-sendfile option? is there a way that this package will be built without that option? |
| 19:50.32 | szzs | in the future |
| 19:50.49 | TGM | WARNING: Sid non-installable (as of 115:20 EST). required essential package 'util-linux' uninstallal due to slang1 transition. |
| 19:50.57 | TGM | s/115/15/ |
| 19:51.00 | valdyn | tony: you include one macro set, but i cant even remember which one it was for my own language |
| 19:51.24 | stew | szzs: email the maintainer and ask him. you can always easily rebuild the package yourself without that switch |
| 19:51.25 | tony | for latex is not a big deal, but i want to make it work in plain |
| 19:51.34 | tony | valdyn: for latex is not a big deal, but i want to make it work in plain |
| 19:51.35 | Whisky_ | abrotman? antgel ? PerfDave ? |
| 19:51.41 | valdyn | tony: try #tex or somesuch |
| 19:51.47 | Whisky_ | stew ? someone? :S |
| 19:51.47 | chipdalf | szzs: build it at your own? |
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| 19:51.57 | abrotman | Whisky_: and? |
| 19:51.58 | valdyn | tony: has nothing to do w/ debian either way. |
| 19:52.00 | tony | valdyn: i tried and i was the only one there |
| 19:52.01 | abrotman | fix your routing |
| 19:52.08 | stew | Whisky_: what? |
| 19:52.10 | helpo | Why are apache files split in to different directories in Sarge? |
| 19:52.12 | Whisky_ | abrotman: If I knew how I wouldnt be here :p |
| 19:52.17 | abrotman | man route ? |
| 19:52.18 | tony | valdyn: tex is part of debian |
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| 19:52.41 | Whisky_ | stew: The link to the Windows box is dead again and when it lives, its almost dead (too slow) |
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| 19:52.51 | Nebulous | note to self: next time I need a program version that isn't in testing yet, I should roll it myself vs upgrading to unstable. |
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| 19:52.59 | szzs | chipdalf yeah, its work and later when i update the sys with apt-get i will get the same package |
| 19:53.01 | TGM | Would a cannot be installed required esential package be severity critical? I would tend to think so, but the bugs are only serious. |
| 19:53.03 | chipdalf | helpo: i think because of a better overview... |
| 19:53.13 | stew | szzs: you could put the package on hold |
| 19:53.21 | abrotman | Nebulous: good plan |
| 19:53.22 | valdyn | tony: as is the linux kernel, still we dont talk about kernel hacking here ) |
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| 19:53.37 | s_ward | Nebulous, or just install a single package from unstable -- it _might_ work if unstable isn't going through a big change |
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| 19:53.43 | helpo | chihchun: I liked 1.3 style config. Do you know if its possible to make apache2 configs work the same way? |
| 19:53.43 | tony | valdyn: you r right |
| 19:53.44 | stew | Nebulous: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:53.46 | chipdalf | szzs: normaly apt will not update packuages you bild at your own... |
| 19:53.48 | Lin | I have updated my kernel in 2 identical machines, in first one, everything works all right, in ssecond one the new kernel boots with CRC ERROR. I have reinstalled the package but didn't help. Ideas? |
| 19:53.58 | stew | chipdalf: not true |
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| 19:54.40 | Nebulous | yeah, i've already made the big leap into the maws of hell and misery, might as well ejoy the stay :D |
| 19:54.55 | Nebulous | i'll be happy when k3b starts working again, though |
| 19:54.56 | s_ward | more fun fixing it :) |
| 19:55.08 | szzs | chipdalf: i mean when a new proftpd version will be out then it will be build probably as the last ones and then i have to do it again, dont i? |
| 19:55.19 | chipdalf | stew: if you get the source from the project and build it, how will apt do a upgrade without a record of the packuage? cause apt did not install it? |
| 19:55.23 | rixth | Does SSH require UDP ot TCP or both? |
| 19:55.34 | PerfDave | rixth: TCP |
| 19:55.36 | valdyn | rixth: just tcp |
| 19:55.39 | rixth | Thanks |
| 19:55.43 | stew | chipdalf: i'm talking about rebuilding the debian package and installing that |
| 19:55.46 | chipdalf | szzs: yes... that ist the problem... |
| 19:56.03 | chipdalf | stew: okay... that is true |
| 19:56.39 | stew | szzs: apt-get source pkg; cp pkg pkg.orig ; make your changes, diff -ru pkg.orig pkg > safe-place ; then when a new version comes out, apply your patch to the newer version |
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| 19:57.00 | santi | hello |
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| 19:57.29 | santi | someone from Madrid????????????????? |
| 19:57.41 | rbochan | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:57.45 | PerfDave | !es |
| 19:57.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:57.57 | chipdalf | santi: no i will not come to you at home and fix it... *fg* |
| 19:58.07 | szzs | stew: chipdalf: have you tried to install proftpd via apt-get? if so, then you 2 probably dont see the transfer rates at ftptop. i think the best choice is to talk to the package maintainer |
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| 19:58.29 | tony | santi: are u offering food? |
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| 19:59.52 | unixfool_ | how do I tell X not to bind to port 6000? |
| 20:00.03 | fmp | "/msg dpkg guidlines" |
| 20:00.03 | chipdalf | szzs: it probably will be, yes |
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| 20:00.53 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:00.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:01.04 | valdyn | unixfool_: -nolisten tcp |
| 20:01.49 | PerfDave | unixfool_: Which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 20:01.53 | unixfool_ | valdyn, ah, in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc ? |
| 20:01.56 | unixfool_ | PerfDave, sarge |
| 20:02.24 | grigora | I am trying to write a simple init script and am having trouble understanding the difference between --startas and --exec options of the start-stop-daemon utility. btw, I need to pass some arguments to the daemon process. |
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| 20:02.30 | PerfDave | unixfool_: X in Sarge shouldn't listen on TCP by default, unless you've changed something. |
| 20:02.41 | szzs | stew: chipdalf: how can i find out who is the proftpd package maintainer? |
| 20:02.49 | unixfool_ | PerfDave, well some of my machines listen on 6000, and I don't know why |
| 20:02.49 | Whisky_ | !ping |
| 20:02.49 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:02.51 | Whisky_ | k |
| 20:02.53 | cougar` | PerfDave : You check out that link? |
| 20:02.54 | valdyn | unixfool_: what PerfDave sais, unless you use a 'strange' method to start X |
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| 20:03.03 | stew | szzs: apt-cache show proftpd |
| 20:03.03 | unixfool_ | it says -nolisten tcp in xserverrc |
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| 20:03.19 | PerfDave | cougar`: What link? |
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| 20:03.23 | cougar` | HEHE |
| 20:03.27 | cougar` | PerfDave : http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html <== Check out the Symmetric Ciphers |
| 20:03.28 | CommieSmurf | hey all, i'm very very very new to linux, i installed debian on my laptop, and i've got the latest version of gnome and whatnot, but now the question is how do i install my graphics/sound card drivers? |
| 20:03.28 | chipdalf | szzs: apt-cache show proftpd |
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| 20:03.59 | PerfDave | cougar`: I know what symmetric ciphers are, thanks. |
| 20:04.24 | CommieSmurf | anyone? |
| 20:04.34 | cougar` | PerfDave : rgr. Well, that's what I wa slookin' for. I don't need to use encrypt because I'm not transferring the data anywhere |
| 20:04.39 | jetx | what is the approved method to give $USER permission to the svgalib. i get an error with mplayer -vo svga |
| 20:04.41 | stew | !wikifaq CommieSmurf UseSoundCard |
| 20:04.41 | dpkg | CommieSmurf: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:04.48 | jetx | answer! |
| 20:04.53 | CommieSmurf | thanks, i'll check it out |
| 20:04.54 | stew | !drxx CommieSmurf |
| 20:04.54 | PerfDave | cougar`: *shrug* Fair enough |
| 20:04.55 | dpkg | CommieSmurf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:05.10 | cougar` | PerfDave: Thanks for the help tho bud |
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| 20:05.16 | CommieSmurf | woah, dppkg, slow down |
| 20:05.16 | valdyn | jetx: -vo svga does need root. |
| 20:05.24 | vIkSiT | damn.. my X just refuses to work. and drxx doesnt work either |
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| 20:05.54 | stew | vIkSiT: had you edited the X config by hadn or used some tool like xf86config or whatever? |
| 20:06.12 | jetx | valdyn: it gives me a permission error. so i need to suid something, like libsvga1? |
| 20:06.14 | stew | vIkSiT: and what do you mean by "doesnt work"? |
| 20:06.15 | vIkSiT | stew, none.. |
| 20:06.25 | jetx | it functions as root |
| 20:06.29 | jetx | not as $USER |
| 20:06.34 | chipdalf | these bots are absolutly great... *fg* |
| 20:06.36 | valdyn | jetx: no, you would need to suid mplayer, or a safer script that starts mplayer |
| 20:06.40 | stew | vIkSiT: what are the errors from the x log? |
| 20:06.42 | jetx | ahh |
| 20:06.45 | jetx | thankee |
| 20:06.48 | jetx | ugh |
| 20:06.50 | jetx | yuck |
| 20:07.06 | vIkSiT | stew, my display refuses to work on debian.. monitor goes off on X startup.. if it was a newer one, i'd swear it was saying "out of frequency range .. shingouz, worst part is.. no XF86Config Log has errors in it. |
| 20:07.12 | valdyn | jetx: its pointless too, X is better ( and faster ) |
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| 20:07.20 | vIkSiT | er , that was pasted from above.. sorry about the nick reference.. |
| 20:07.21 | Whisky_ | PerfDave !!! |
| 20:07.36 | stew | vIkSiT: you need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and put in the correct settings for your monitor |
| 20:07.37 | vIkSiT | s/no/the |
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| 20:07.42 | vIkSiT | stew, i did.. |
| 20:07.46 | vIkSiT | wait a sec |
| 20:07.49 | vIkSiT | manually? |
| 20:07.49 | jetx | vIkSiT: hwinfo --monitor |
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| 20:07.56 | vIkSiT | hsync and vsynx? |
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| 20:07.59 | vIkSiT | sync* |
| 20:08.01 | stew | yes |
| 20:08.01 | jetx | yes those |
| 20:08.06 | vIkSiT | ah will check |
| 20:08.11 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: omg i need more help :| |
| 20:08.12 | CommieSmurf | i don't understand |
| 20:08.21 | jetx | vIkSiT: chose 'advanced' when asked, when you dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:08.22 | CommieSmurf | dpkg |
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| 20:08.36 | PerfDave | Whisky_: I thought you had things working? |
| 20:08.41 | vIkSiT | right.. |
| 20:08.44 | CommieSmurf | no comprendo |
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| 20:08.55 | stew | CommieSmurf: *what* don't you understand? |
| 20:08.55 | jetx | vIkSiT: the md5sum thing should be on line #17 of your XF86Config-4 |
| 20:09.07 | shingouz | dpkg: what are you |
| 20:09.07 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:09.15 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Well antgel told me to switch the wires because internet on Xp was slow. So i did that and reconfigured my network. Internet works here now but no internet for the windows box now :s |
| 20:09.16 | igge | how do I get php and apache to work together on debian? |
| 20:09.21 | jetx | !es CommieSmurf |
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| 20:09.32 | stew | Whisky_: you clearly have a bad card |
| 20:09.35 | bluefox83 | when was xorg added to unstable? |
| 20:09.42 | jetx | a month ago? |
| 20:09.42 | CommieSmurf | I asked about sound/video |
| 20:09.48 | Whisky_ | igge: Install apache, edit httpd.conf to allow .php and .phps extensions, stop apache, start it. |
| 20:09.48 | bluefox83 | cool |
| 20:09.49 | s_ward | igge, install them? What's your problem |
| 20:10.05 | stew | CommieSmurf: what makes you think you need to use a different video driver? |
| 20:10.08 | jetx | or just restart it |
| 20:10.09 | Whisky_ | stew: Real bad i'd say :[ |
| 20:10.10 | vIkSiT | jetx, md5 thing? |
| 20:10.16 | CommieSmurf | then the windows ones? |
| 20:10.17 | vIkSiT | which one? |
| 20:10.19 | jetx | !md5sum |
| 20:10.21 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 20:10.23 | Whisky_ | jetx: Wont work. it needs a hot boot, Stop and then Start =) |
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| 20:10.26 | jetx | !xmd5 |
| 20:10.26 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 20:10.31 | jetx | that |
| 20:10.37 | jetx | Whisky_: ahh. i know nothing. |
| 20:10.43 | CommieSmurf | yo stew, i can use my windows ones? |
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| 20:10.44 | vIkSiT | aaah |
| 20:10.46 | vIkSiT | interesting |
| 20:10.49 | stew | CommieSmurf: no |
| 20:10.50 | Whisky_ | :)) |
| 20:10.51 | CommieSmurf | o |
| 20:10.56 | PerfDave | Whisky_: What exactly did you do? Step by step. |
| 20:11.06 | stew | CommieSmurf: why do you want to? |
| 20:11.07 | cn | what is the more fast reader of pdf? |
| 20:11.15 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Where do i start? After I got the switch ? |
| 20:11.18 | PerfDave | cn: xpdf |
| 20:11.19 | CommieSmurf | install my video card so its not stuck at 800x600 res |
| 20:11.26 | shingouz | CommieSmurf: first of all: what hardware. second: what do you want to do |
| 20:11.29 | PerfDave | Whisky_: How you got it working, and how you broke it again :) |
| 20:11.30 | stew | CommieSmurf: what card do you have? |
| 20:11.35 | igge | I uncommented this line in httpd.conf: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php, but it shows a save dialog when I visit the script |
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| 20:11.46 | Whisky_ | CommieSmurf: reconfigure X and make sure you give exact syncs for your monitor |
| 20:11.59 | CommieSmurf | I have radeon 9600 mobile 128mb, i want to get it to work for games like bf2 |
| 20:12.04 | jetx | CommieSmurf: probably hwinfo --monitor might help. not the v&h refresh values at the bottom. then reconfigure the xserver |
| 20:12.07 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Well I just got the switch, did what you told me, installed ipmasq and everything was set. |
| 20:12.16 | jetx | ahh fglrx |
| 20:12.16 | bluefox83 | ok, i think i have asked this question once before but i think the answer could have changed since then...has kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 been recompiled in the latest gcc? |
| 20:12.18 | jetx | nm |
| 20:12.18 | stew | CommieSmurf: which driver are you currently using? |
| 20:12.28 | jetx | probably not |
| 20:12.28 | shingouz | CommieSmurf: didn't ypu mention you had a laptop? what laptop is it? |
| 20:12.29 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Everything worked after you connected things up with the new switch and cables, and installed ipmasq on the Debian box? |
| 20:12.31 | igge | I have the 'libapache-mod-php4' and 'apache' packages installed |
| 20:12.44 | CommieSmurf | i have no idea stew, i just installed my debian base and got gnome |
| 20:12.48 | CommieSmurf | so probably none |
| 20:12.48 | Whisky_ | then the internet was really really slow on the Windows box. antgel recommended swapping the wires in the cards so I did that, reconfigured the interfaces and now the Windows box just simply sucks. |
| 20:12.52 | stew | !drxx CommieSmurf |
| 20:12.53 | dpkg | CommieSmurf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:12.55 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: yup. |
| 20:13.02 | stew | CommieSmurf: and choose the "ati" driver |
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| 20:13.06 | PerfDave | Whisky_: "Swapping the wires in the cards"? What *exactly* did you do? |
| 20:13.11 | igge | Whisky_ and s_ward... did you see my messages? |
| 20:13.15 | CommieSmurf | really? |
| 20:13.20 | CommieSmurf | its that easy? |
| 20:13.25 | stew | yes |
| 20:13.35 | shingouz | CommieSmurf: this is debian, not doze :p |
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| 20:13.46 | CommieSmurf | i told you i'm noob |
| 20:13.46 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Actually I didnt swap the wires because then the 2nd card doesn't work so i just changed their slots. |
| 20:14.00 | Whisky_ | card 2 went to slot 1 and card 1 went to slot 2 |
| 20:14.05 | PerfDave | Whisky_: No, stop it. Just tell me exactly what you did to break the thing. |
| 20:14.07 | s_ward | igge, did you reload the apache config? |
| 20:14.12 | PerfDave | Whisky_: What cards? What slots? |
| 20:14.20 | Whisky_ | the ethernet cards :/ |
| 20:14.29 | CommieSmurf | so the command is !drrx? |
| 20:14.39 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You put the network cards in different PCI slots? |
| 20:14.51 | shingouz | CommieSmurf: no |
| 20:14.52 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I just swapped their positions, yes. |
| 20:14.52 | stew | CommieSmurf: no dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; my typing !drxx made the dpkg bot tell you that |
| 20:14.52 | PerfDave | Whisky_: In the Debian box? |
| 20:14.55 | Whisky_ | yes. |
| 20:14.57 | shingouz | !tell CommieSmurf about drxx |
| 20:15.02 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Did you do anything else? |
| 20:15.07 | Whisky_ | Nothing. |
| 20:15.08 | shingouz | CommieSmurf: read what dpkg said yo you in the pm |
| 20:15.13 | Whisky_ | well yes |
| 20:15.17 | Whisky_ | i edited /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:15.22 | Whisky_ | and rebooted too. |
| 20:15.22 | PerfDave | Whisky_: FFS!!!! |
| 20:15.26 | Whisky_ | :| |
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| 20:15.55 | igge | s_ward: ah now it works... yes I reloaded it but it was cached in mozilla so I had to restart the browser |
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| 20:16.14 | s_ward | igge, glad to hear it :) |
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| 20:16.51 | abrotman | !punish ldap |
| 20:16.58 | Whisky_ | lool |
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| 20:16.59 | s_ward | ouch |
| 20:17.09 | ma3x | whaddup doods |
| 20:17.16 | ma3x | can i install debian from a damn small floppy? |
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| 20:17.25 | PerfDave | ma3x: Read the Debian Installation Manual. |
| 20:17.26 | Whisky_ | :/ |
| 20:17.31 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 20:17.32 | dpkg | well, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 20:17.32 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: so? :s |
| 20:17.43 | ma3x | PerfDave, you're always so official |
| 20:17.44 | stew | Mongoose: it requires at least 2 standard size floppies |
| 20:17.47 | ma3x | isn't he a real gentleman? |
| 20:17.48 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Right, so you powered down the machine, swapped over the network cards in their PCI slots, rebooted, edited /etc/network/interfaces, rebooted again? |
| 20:17.52 | stew | err ma3x |
| 20:17.53 | Mongoose | stew: ? |
| 20:17.57 | stew | Mongoose: sorry, misfire |
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| 20:17.58 | Whisky_ | Exactly. |
| 20:18.02 | Mongoose | np |
| 20:18.07 | PerfDave | ma3x: If you read the Debian Installation Manual, you'd have the answer to your question. |
| 20:18.20 | Mongoose | is there an issue with the keys, signing, or gpg and apt? |
| 20:18.23 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about ig |
| 20:18.26 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about sarge bf |
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| 20:18.32 | PerfDave | Mongoose: /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 20:18.37 | Mongoose | thanks |
| 20:18.54 | PerfDave | Whisky_: How did you edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:19.20 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Changed eth0 to eth1 and eth1 to eth0 (according to how i swapped the cards) |
| 20:19.23 | Mongoose | PerfDave: this is just what I need, thanks again |
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| 20:19.41 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Why did you do that? And why did you swap them in the PCI slots in the first place? |
| 20:20.12 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: The internet was slow. antgel said I should try swapping the wires but then the 2nd card wont work so i swapped the cards :\ |
| 20:20.17 | CommieSmurf | i surrender |
| 20:20.22 | ralf | how can I open a .bas file? |
| 20:20.29 | PerfDave | Whisky_: What wires? |
| 20:20.31 | abrotman | ralf: what is it |
| 20:20.41 | ralf | a gwbasic source |
| 20:20.45 | abrotman | vi ? |
| 20:20.49 | shingouz | ralf: vi |
| 20:21.00 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Wires connected to the ethernet cards. He told me to swap them; put eth0's in eth1's and eth1's in eth0's |
| 20:21.03 | ralf | shingouz: i can't see nothing |
| 20:21.12 | abrotman | so you see it ? |
| 20:21.13 | ma3x | hey dudes |
| 20:21.17 | ma3x | i feel like talking to you |
| 20:21.29 | ma3x | what if i install from floppy , and what if from mini cd? |
| 20:21.30 | shingouz | ralf: me neither. i am not psychic |
| 20:21.32 | abrotman | plonk? |
| 20:21.33 | ralf | i see binary garbage |
| 20:21.34 | ma3x | what's the big difference? |
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| 20:21.49 | abrotman | ma3x: there isn't if you install it correctly |
| 20:21.53 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about ig |
| 20:22.04 | shingouz | ma3x: the floppies are not cd's. and read the install manual |
| 20:22.21 | ma3x | i mean here are the facts |
| 20:22.27 | ma3x | i got 1 MBps adsl |
| 20:22.31 | ma3x | and i wanna install it asap |
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| 20:22.39 | ma3x | now what takes the best min time? |
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| 20:22.45 | ma3x | the floppy or cd install? |
| 20:22.47 | shingouz | ralf: in that case it is not a basic afaik, it is something else |
| 20:22.49 | bluefox83 | how would i compile a kernel-source with the same options as were used in a kernel-image of the same build and version number? i want to get 2.6.11-1-k7 running with gcc-4.0 |
| 20:22.49 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Why did he think that that would help? |
| 20:23.03 | abrotman | ma3x: probably the netinst .. if you don't mind waiting to download the ISO . otherwise . use the floppies .. you get the same result |
| 20:23.04 | ralf | shingouz: sure it is basic |
| 20:23.04 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I wish I could read minds :s |
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| 20:23.17 | ralf | shingouz: gwbasic can saev in ascii or in binary |
| 20:23.18 | TGM | net-install from floppy is not possible on sarge, use the 40mb cd image |
| 20:23.21 | abrotman | bluefox83: /boot/config-blah |
| 20:23.24 | ralf | save -a file.bas |
| 20:23.25 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Why did you change the contents of /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 20:23.31 | abrotman | ralf: so save in ascii |
| 20:23.32 | Whisky_ | yes! |
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| 20:23.37 | shingouz | ralf: in that case you have to bash gwbasic on its head |
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| 20:23.52 | ralf | there is gwbasic for linux? |
| 20:24.06 | ma3x | abrotman, netinst = minicd? |
| 20:24.06 | shingouz | ralf: not that i know ow. why should there be |
| 20:24.20 | ralf | i dunno, i haven't write that program |
| 20:24.24 | bluefox83 | abrotman, so when i make old-config i also list the config file i want to use? |
| 20:24.31 | stew | ralf: bill gates wrote that program, iirc |
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| 20:24.52 | ralf | gates william basic |
| 20:24.54 | ralf | hehe |
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| 20:24.59 | stew | ys |
| 20:25.13 | ralf | reboot.. |
| 20:25.18 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Because I swapped the network cards? :S |
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| 20:26.06 | stew | ralf: i dunno if he actually named it after himself and that's where the gw came from, but probably |
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| 20:26.26 | abrotman | ma3x: the netinst .. not the BC .. BC is the same as floppies |
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| 20:26.34 | abrotman | bluefox83: i usually just copy it to the source idr |
| 20:26.36 | abrotman | dir |
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| 20:27.14 | PerfDave | Whisky_: That won't usually change the mapping between physical devices and the interface names. Did you check to see whether they'd changed or not? |
| 20:27.18 | CommieSmurf | wtf |
| 20:27.33 | pusling | hmm... there is a lot of packages kept back in my debian sid? Why is everything broken? </troll> |
| 20:27.35 | CommieSmurf | is the videocard's bus indentiferier? |
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| 20:27.46 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Yes, Im connected to the internet using eth0 whereas it was eth1 earlier when routing was working properly |
| 20:27.51 | abrotman | pusling: because you don't know how to use sid |
| 20:27.51 | asg | pusling: welcome to sid |
| 20:27.52 | shingouz | CommieSmurf: just hit enter on it. autodetection |
| 20:28.08 | PerfDave | CommieSmurf: You shouldn't need the bus identifier, unless you have multiple video cards. |
| 20:28.10 | stew | CommieSmurf: leave it blank unless you are on a mac or have 2 cards |
| 20:28.18 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Have you tried swapping the cards back? |
| 20:28.22 | cn | when i do apt-get install i have this: freedom.dicea.unifi.it (1.0.0.0) in corso] and here stop |
| 20:28.25 | cn | why? |
| 20:28.27 | Whisky_ | I was going to do that now |
| 20:28.28 | Whisky_ | brb |
| 20:28.31 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Sorry, I'm going to have to go, I've got real-life shit to deal with. |
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| 20:28.34 | pusling | it is quite cool that updating apt will remove aptitude ;) |
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| 20:28.48 | asg | pusling: aptitude is not a requirement |
| 20:28.49 | resiak | sussudio: Yeah, I think I was drunk when I made that factoid. |
| 20:29.10 | chipdalf | cn: some iptables running? |
| 20:29.23 | cn | chipdalf i dont know |
| 20:29.24 | chipdalf | cn: or the server is not reachable... |
| 20:29.33 | chipdalf | cn: iptables -L |
| 20:29.37 | s_ward | cn, I had that problem when DNS wasn't working reliably |
| 20:29.46 | cn | last time i used dhcp |
| 20:30.14 | cn | all chain on accept |
| 20:30.24 | cn | dhcp give problems to debian? |
| 20:30.26 | chipdalf | cn: okay.. no iptables running... |
| 20:30.37 | stew | cn: what is the deb line from sources.list? |
| 20:30.44 | stew | cn: you might just wanna try switching mirrors |
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| 20:31.14 | cn | deb-src http://freedom.dicea.unifi.it/ftp/pub/linux/debian/ testing main contrib |
| 20:31.17 | sean_micken|wtf | i've got 2 servers and i need it so that w/e is written to /some/dir on server1 is automatically written to /some/dir on server2 and vice-versa... is there software out there to do that? |
| 20:31.23 | ma3x | ok guys i have a serious question here |
| 20:31.30 | ma3x | do you think i should use ubuntu or debian? |
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| 20:31.46 | pusling | ma3x: depends. |
| 20:31.47 | shingouz | ma3x: take a wild guess |
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| 20:31.54 | s_ward | ma3x, this is #debian -- what do you think :) |
| 20:31.54 | Ronin` | well ma3x seeing your in #debian take a guess |
| 20:31.56 | asg | ma3x: go use fedora then we don't have to hear you anymore |
| 20:31.59 | ma3x | I mean what's up with ubuntu, it got so popular! |
| 20:32.08 | shingouz | !beer asg |
| 20:32.09 | asg | ma3x: so did republicans |
| 20:32.24 | pusling | ma3x: want something working out of the box and no questions asked (and no chance of knowing what went wrong) go for ubuntu |
| 20:32.25 | ma3x | asg, what did they? |
| 20:32.31 | stew | cn: can you load that url in a browser? http://freedom.dicea.unifi.it/ftp/pub/linux/debian/ |
| 20:32.52 | ma3x | but I don't understand why everything they make like windows |
| 20:32.58 | ma3x | its all fuked windows |
| 20:33.15 | ma3x | i havent seen anything unique |
| 20:33.25 | ma3x | i man it must not be unique, but something that fascinates me\ |
| 20:33.31 | CommieSmurf | heres a dumb question, how do i install things like gaim and things? |
| 20:33.34 | Ronin` | then dont run it ma3x |
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| 20:33.37 | CommieSmurf | i downloaded the package... |
| 20:33.40 | pirre | CommieSmurf: apt-get ? |
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| 20:33.40 | ma3x | CommieSmurf, try aptitude |
| 20:33.41 | s_ward | apt-get install gaim ? |
| 20:33.42 | shingouz | CommieSmurf: apt-get install foo |
| 20:33.45 | cn | stew: yes |
| 20:33.50 | rumpl | CommieSmurf, apt-get install gaim |
| 20:33.50 | stew | !wikifaq CommieSmurf PackageManagement |
| 20:33.52 | dpkg | CommieSmurf: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:33.52 | CommieSmurf | told you i'm noob |
| 20:33.54 | ma3x | well I always install stuff and distros |
| 20:33.55 | chipdalf | CommieSmurf: apt-get install gaim |
| 20:34.02 | ma3x | and then after some time I start thinking |
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| 20:34.09 | cn | i have also this problem with xchat |
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| 20:34.11 | shingouz | CommieSmurf: and you do not have to d/l any packages manually, apt does it for you |
| 20:34.13 | asg | what a horrifying thought |
| 20:34.16 | rumpl | CommieSmurf, apt-get update is good sometimes... |
| 20:34.18 | cn | when coonnecting by name |
| 20:34.19 | ma3x | now, I'll throw the fukin laptop in the toillete. SHIT and flush 7 times |
| 20:34.24 | ma3x | I just have that idea all the time |
| 20:34.28 | ma3x | didn't realize it yet |
| 20:34.29 | resiak | sean_micken|wtf: Does it need to be _physically_ on each computer, or just visible in that location? |
| 20:34.31 | Ronin` | how about think first ma3x then try the distro |
| 20:34.35 | shingouz | cn: your dns is fucked |
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| 20:34.45 | ma3x | Ronin`, what's to think about it? |
| 20:34.49 | cn | shingouz: how can i solve it |
| 20:34.56 | sean_micken|wtf | resiak: physically. |
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| 20:35.12 | CommieSmurf | well, i'll be back on my linux comp, hopefully... |
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| 20:35.19 | CommieSmurf | thankyou for all the help dawgs |
| 20:35.23 | resiak | sean_micken|wtf: Dare I ask why NFS isn't good enough? |
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| 20:35.42 | resiak | sean_micken|wtf: (Afaik you might have to just repeatedly apply rsync in both directions.) |
| 20:35.43 | s_ward | cn, if on an ADSL or cable broadband link, and you are using your modem or router for DNS, try using the DNS servers it queries directly |
| 20:35.51 | shingouz | cn: no idea. i do not know what is wrong with it. if possible try some other dns for a while, maybe the servers are down or screwed |
| 20:36.00 | ma3x | allright I wanna ask |
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| 20:36.08 | ma3x | for eg. Why don't you run FreeBSD guys? |
| 20:36.10 | sean_micken|wtf | resiak: because you have a server and then a client... you mount the client to the server, but the data from the server is never actually written to the client's harddrive... it needs to be that way because if the server computer fails, i still need the files on the client. |
| 20:36.11 | ma3x | why not freebsd? |
| 20:36.16 | Ronin` | ma3x: cause we choose debian |
| 20:36.21 | cn | ok |
| 20:36.21 | asg | ma3x: because OpenBSD is better |
| 20:36.23 | cn | i try |
| 20:36.26 | shingouz | ma3x: why do you not install OpenVMS? |
| 20:36.30 | resiak | sean_micken|wtf: I see. Well, I don't know then. |
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| 20:36.41 | ma3x | ok, now I asked first |
| 20:36.45 | ma3x | be gentlemen and answer |
| 20:36.54 | stew | !tell ma3x about enter |
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| 20:36.55 | shingouz | jfc.... |
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| 20:37.06 | resiak | ma3x: shingouz's reply was rhetorical... |
| 20:37.07 | Whisky_ | Internet back on eth1 |
| 20:37.08 | asg | ma3x: you're off topic, we don't have to answer or be gentle (men or otherwise) |
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| 20:37.37 | ma3x | ok then be women |
| 20:37.41 | abrotman | asg: be a lady .. you know you want to! |
| 20:37.41 | asg | !be ed |
| 20:37.41 | dpkg | ? |
| 20:37.46 | Ronin` | ma3x: take the hint |
| 20:38.01 | asg | abrotman: tried it, the hose always catch on my leg hair |
| 20:38.02 | jetx | how do i fix : svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions. |
| 20:38.13 | abrotman | asg: you should dip your body in Nair :) |
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| 20:38.27 | shingouz | asg: you need to get waxed then :p |
| 20:38.28 | asg | abrotman: trust me, I've considered it. I'm a hairy beast. |
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| 20:38.46 | ma3x | haah, asg depilation |
| 20:39.05 | Whisky_ | abrotman: I can still ping the Linux Box but like always, 2 out of 4 packets are lost. |
| 20:39.10 | jetx | Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Invalid argument: Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts. |
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| 20:39.18 | ma3x | but how did you decide yourself for debian |
| 20:39.18 | jetx | clues? |
| 20:39.23 | ma3x | a friend told you about it |
| 20:39.35 | shingouz | ma3x: wtf are you doing? |
| 20:39.38 | ma3x | or you tried a few distros and made the choice? |
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| 20:39.51 | ma3x | shingouz, trying to understand the choice of debian |
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| 20:40.07 | jetx | shop, compare, save |
| 20:40.07 | stew | !tell ma3x about why debian |
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| 20:40.11 | jetx | chooose |
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| 20:40.12 | abrotman | Whisky_: just make sure every other packet is garbage |
| 20:40.24 | abrotman | !tell |
| 20:40.26 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:40.27 | pusling | ma3x: start using same distro as your friends |
| 20:40.33 | sly007 | Network question again. I've got two ethernet card, one onboard and the other a PCI one, but the onboard one is called eth1 and the other is eth0, is there a way to swap the names (onboard = eth0)? |
| 20:40.34 | Whisky_ | abrotman: what is that supposed to mean? Sorry I'm not a native english speaker. |
| 20:40.40 | abrotman | Whisky_: i noticed |
| 20:40.41 | shingouz | ma3x: why i chose debian? because i want to sit here and get ticked off by your ultra-stupid, senseless, privacy invading questions. damn. *plonk* |
| 20:40.55 | abrotman | Whisky_: have you tried more than one NIC .. or cable .. ? |
| 20:40.59 | jetx | fuck him, tell me how to figure this shit out |
| 20:41.07 | stew | sly007: load the modules in the opposite order |
| 20:41.09 | abrotman | shingouz: i still love you |
| 20:41.17 | abrotman | !ifrename |
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| 20:41.21 | abrotman | bah .. you get the idea |
| 20:41.21 | resiak | shingouz: What's your blood group ? |
| 20:41.23 | sly007 | stew, they're built in the kernel |
| 20:41.24 | vick | Hello, i've used aptituide to specificy packages, and i though X windows is installed, but then afterwards i've startx but i found 'X' not be there, is there a way in which i could download/install X ? |
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| 20:41.27 | shingouz | abrotman: um. uh. |
| 20:41.31 | resiak | sly007: ifrename |
| 20:41.38 | shingouz | resiak: why? it is green? |
| 20:41.41 | jetx | vick: aptitude x-window-system |
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| 20:41.50 | rumpl | vick, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 20:41.53 | jetx | err aptitude install x-window-system |
| 20:41.55 | ma3x | shingouz, you're damn angry man! |
| 20:42.03 | ma3x | i pissed you off |
| 20:42.03 | sly007 | resiak, is that a standard software? |
| 20:42.05 | resiak | shingouz: I just wanna know... Did you get told that by a friend, or did you open your veins yourself? |
| 20:42.06 | jetx | no apt-get chokes like mama cass |
| 20:42.12 | resiak | shingouz: Define "standard software" |
| 20:42.24 | Whisky_ | abrotman: Not really. But the thing is that the 2nd ethernet card doesn't work with the wire from the switch although it does work with the wire from the router, connecting it to the internet. |
| 20:42.29 | jetx | a real pig, but still can be choked |
| 20:42.29 | rumpl | jetx, huh? |
| 20:42.31 | radmin | linux makes you angry sometimes |
| 20:42.33 | radmin | heh |
| 20:42.35 | jetx | ^^ |
| 20:42.50 | jetx | !dselect |
| 20:42.50 | dpkg | dselect is, like, a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 20:43.09 | abrotman | Whisky_: did you buy two standard ethernet cables ? |
| 20:43.09 | shingouz | resiak: about the bloodgroup, i ripped someones throat open. about the standard software i have no idea. i think i seriously need some caffeine, i am getting edgy |
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| 20:43.17 | jshriver | Anyone know how to setup a ramdisk in linux? |
| 20:43.19 | resiak | shingouz: Oh shit, sorry. |
| 20:43.20 | Whisky_ | abrotman: Yup. |
| 20:43.22 | abrotman | Whisky_: wait .. how many ports on the switch ? |
| 20:43.24 | resiak | sly007: Define "standard software" |
| 20:43.27 | shingouz | resiak: :) |
| 20:43.28 | Whisky_ | abrotman: 8 :/ |
| 20:43.31 | vick | jetx: It gave me some 'depends' and it didn't go to installing/downloading anything and i got back to shell |
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| 20:43.41 | abrotman | Whisky_: did you try other ports? .. one may be the upload port |
| 20:43.46 | vick | jetx: should i use the '-f' flag ? |
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| 20:44.07 | stew | abrotman: he's getting packet loss, not a dead link |
| 20:44.12 | sly007 | resiak, basic gnu tools that come with coreutils and so on |
| 20:44.15 | Whisky_ | abrotman: It was working a while back but the speeds were slower than dialup. But I could just try the other ports, sure. |
| 20:44.21 | abrotman | oh yeah |
| 20:44.26 | abrotman | stew: sorry |
| 20:44.26 | jetx | vick: you could try apt-get -f install |
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| 20:44.40 | jim | I used to -despise- dselect... then apt-get came along, and it became begrudgingly workable |
| 20:44.44 | abrotman | stew: been a long day .. and LDAP isn't nearly as much fun as a colonoscopy |
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| 20:44.45 | issostar | someone knows which state is here |
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| 20:44.59 | Whisky_ | Yup, stew 's got the clue :p |
| 20:45.00 | issostar | debian? |
| 20:45.05 | resiak | sly007: apt-get install ifrename |
| 20:45.10 | abrotman | issostar: huh? |
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| 20:45.19 | jshriver | lhrm ok... how do I specify the size of the ramdisk? seems like I have it compiled in the kernel and I have /dev/ram* |
| 20:45.23 | jshriver | but they're only around 4 megs |
| 20:45.25 | jetx | dselect vs * is like linux vs ms. one works, the other kinda mostly works, but is pretty |
| 20:45.31 | jim | issostar: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 20:45.34 | jetx | prettier |
| 20:45.39 | abrotman | issostar: no .. don't do that |
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| 20:45.46 | rabies_ | hey |
| 20:45.47 | abrotman | don't do that! |
| 20:45.50 | abrotman | issostar: STOP |
| 20:45.50 | fatal__ | resiak/sly007: also works with udev och nameif.... to add some choices. :) |
| 20:45.58 | jetx | !sicco |
| 20:45.58 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 20:45.58 | rabies_ | in the kernel-source-2.6.11 i cant find trhe i2c-kdb driver |
| 20:46.03 | rabies_ | ir-kdb-i2c |
| 20:46.05 | abrotman | issostar: do NOT /msg me!!! |
| 20:46.09 | abrotman | issostar: talk in this channel |
| 20:46.19 | jetx | abrotman: /umode +M |
| 20:46.22 | resiak | fatal__: How does udev help, since eth* don't have entries in /dev ? |
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| 20:46.24 | abrotman | jetx: got it |
| 20:46.27 | rabies_ | i installed the lirc modules package and probed them , but i dunno how to get o my remote |
| 20:46.40 | G2 | Anyone been on a www.geekcruises.com? |
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| 20:46.44 | sly007 | fatal__, I don't hqve udev, only devfs, is that possible though? |
| 20:46.48 | fatal__ | resiak: events are still generated when interfaces are added.... |
| 20:47.01 | abrotman | issostar: i'm not answering anything |
| 20:47.03 | asg | G2: have the funding, but work doesn't grok the idea. |
| 20:47.07 | abrotman | issostar: talk in here .. or not at all to me |
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| 20:47.25 | resiak | fatal__: I'm wondering, is all. How -does- it work? Could you paste relevent udev rules into #flood ? |
| 20:47.27 | jetx | how do i: Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts |
| 20:47.30 | G2 | asg: love too, |
| 20:47.34 | abrotman | issostar: please takl in here ... |
| 20:47.40 | jim | abrotman: /ignore <mask> msgs |
| 20:47.41 | jetx | aka, which one |
| 20:47.41 | fatal__ | resiak: See "Writing a rule to name my network interface" in "Writing udev rules"... |
| 20:47.46 | asg | G2: yeah, Perl Whirl is a blast apparently |
| 20:47.46 | resiak | fatal__: Ta. |
| 20:47.48 | issostar | aa |
| 20:47.49 | issostar | ok |
| 20:48.01 | issostar | i dont know where i am |
| 20:48.03 | abrotman | jim: i did |
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| 20:48.11 | issostar | tell me pls |
| 20:48.12 | abrotman | jim: wrongly the first time :) |
| 20:48.18 | abrotman | issostar: you're in #debian |
| 20:48.21 | jim | ahh... |
| 20:48.28 | issostar | i know the name |
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| 20:48.30 | issostar | but |
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| 20:48.38 | issostar | country |
| 20:48.42 | issostar | or state |
| 20:48.43 | abrotman | huh? |
| 20:48.48 | jim | there is none |
| 20:48.49 | issostar | pls |
| 20:48.50 | asg | issostar: location is irrelevant here |
| 20:48.50 | Ronin` | #debian is a country now? cool |
| 20:48.51 | abrotman | issostar: /whois issostar |
| 20:48.51 | issostar | telme |
| 20:48.58 | Durin | jetx: afaik in /etc/sysctl.conf (see manpage) |
| 20:48.59 | fatal__ | sly007: no, devfs is being dropped... |
| 20:49.00 | jetx | issostar: buy some gps |
| 20:49.01 | rbochan | steerjerker, idaho |
| 20:49.02 | Yevgeniy | small republic |
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| 20:49.04 | Ronin` | issostar: we spread out over the globe taking over the world |
| 20:49.20 | Whisky_ | stew: Any ideas ? Maybe I should just get rid of that lame ethernet card ? |
| 20:49.25 | vick | jetx : i got 'Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf-i18n_1.4.30.13_all.deb ...' 'debsig: Origin signature check failed. this deb might not be signed', and it didn't continue |
| 20:49.25 | Ronin` | s/we/we're |
| 20:49.32 | issostar | ok |
| 20:49.58 | issostar | the most people here where are from |
| 20:50.01 | jetx | vick: try apt-get clean, then apt-get -f install maybe |
| 20:50.12 | jetx | pluto, issostar |
| 20:50.12 | jim | here! |
| 20:50.16 | Ronin` | issostar: who knows and honestly no one probibly cares either |
| 20:50.19 | issostar | i am making |
| 20:50.21 | jetx | issostar: what is your native language |
| 20:50.41 | bluefox83 | anyone heard about problems compiling kernel-source-2.6.11 with gcc-4.0? |
| 20:50.43 | jim | I come from my herman miller aeron! |
| 20:50.46 | issostar | turkish |
| 20:50.51 | issostar | or bulgarian |
| 20:50.52 | bluefox83 | looking into it before i take the plunge :P |
| 20:50.55 | issostar | a little |
| 20:50.58 | issostar | english |
| 20:51.05 | asg | !tr |
| 20:51.05 | dpkg | trke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 20:51.05 | jetx | is there a #debian-tr ? |
| 20:51.09 | jetx | ah |
| 20:51.10 | issostar | yes |
| 20:51.14 | issostar | tr and bg |
| 20:51.17 | vick | jetx: i've got the same error again |
| 20:51.22 | issostar | no |
| 20:51.31 | issostar | it have not |
| 20:51.33 | jetx | vick: sarge, etch, sid ? |
| 20:51.44 | abrotman | holy fuck .. stop hitting enter |
| 20:51.53 | asg | jetx: woody is still relevant |
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| 20:52.06 | vick | jetx: What ? |
| 20:52.13 | jetx | asg: yeah but woody doesn't really break :) |
| 20:52.17 | s_ward | jetx, looks like newer apt -- probably etch or sid |
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| 20:52.21 | jetx | vick: what version of debian |
| 20:52.32 | jetx | ya i was thinking sid, signed repos |
| 20:52.50 | asg | jetx: true, but there are probably quite a few bobbitt boxen around |
| 20:53.00 | vick | jetx: i've tried cat /etc/*rel* doesn't seem to have anything here, but i've just installed it yesterday (from net) |
| 20:53.08 | cn | a me col dhcp |
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| 20:53.20 | gerald | Anyone that can help with snmptrapfmt ?? |
| 20:53.22 | vick | jetx: so is there anything i can do now ? |
| 20:53.31 | issostar | is that debian an oparating system |
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| 20:53.37 | asg | issostar: erm, yes |
| 20:53.42 | asg | issostar: www.debian.org |
| 20:53.43 | jetx | uname -a , does it say testing/unstable, or stable(or is it sarge/stable) |
| 20:53.57 | jetx | yes issostar |
| 20:54.00 | issostar | ok |
| 20:54.05 | issostar | jetx |
| 20:54.12 | issostar | you are kinly person |
| 20:54.16 | PeterB | issostar: I don't know if this is what you want, but here: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/ |
| 20:54.27 | abrotman | jetx: you were almost kinky .. what a disappointment |
| 20:54.29 | issostar | whereis your home |
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| 20:54.35 | issostar | ehere you lives |
| 20:54.39 | MasterYoda | why does the debian kernel-source-2.6.8 package in stable cause modules to be installed in /lib/modules/2.6.8/extra instead of the proper location in the /lib/modules/{KVER}-{EXTRA_VER}/ ? |
| 20:54.43 | abrotman | we all live here! |
| 20:54.45 | jetx | i'm native, issostar |
| 20:54.46 | abrotman | in #debian .. |
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| 20:55.02 | jetx | and there can be only one |
| 20:55.07 | abrotman | luckily .. i got my own bed .. |
| 20:55.07 | resiak | issostar: I live at the bottom of the ocean. |
| 20:55.09 | G2 | Anyone familar with www.insiel.it? |
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| 20:55.21 | jetx | so whatever it really is, there. |
| 20:55.23 | vick | jetx: no *stable* at all in uname -a output |
| 20:55.27 | abrotman | resiak: Cap'n Nemo is coming! |
| 20:55.48 | gerald | Looking for help with snmptrapdfmt or snmptrapd, with evtl relation to nagios |
| 20:55.52 | vick | jetx: debian 3.1 |
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| 20:55.56 | jetx | vick less /etc/apt/sources.list and check |
| 20:55.57 | issostar | eeee |
| 20:56.03 | abrotman | gerald: still no help eh? |
| 20:56.08 | issostar | as it s said |
| 20:56.12 | issostar | in my country |
| 20:56.14 | spoopin | gerald: shoot. |
| 20:56.15 | issostar | spoko man |
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| 20:56.21 | issostar | take it easy |
| 20:56.22 | vick | jetx: there is 'stable' in there |
| 20:56.26 | jetx | you'll see either sid/sarge/etch, or testing/unstable/stable |
| 20:56.27 | asg | issostar: based on the time, people who are sober are probably in the West Coast U.S. states, those that are tipsy are in the East Coast U.S. states. The larky drunks are in .UK and similar. .AU are always around because they give the finger to time. |
| 20:56.28 | jetx | ahh |
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| 20:56.30 | jetx | ok sarge |
| 20:56.35 | gerald | spoopin can we take this to a new room |
| 20:56.37 | abrotman | gerald: see! .. waiting is good :) |
| 20:56.38 | resiak | !room |
| 20:56.39 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 20:56.41 | jim | issostar: hi... you are pusshing enter way, way too much |
| 20:56.45 | abrotman | spoopin: you got a date! |
| 20:56.47 | gerald | thanks abrotman |
| 20:56.48 | resiak | !guinness abrotman |
| 20:56.55 | spoopin | abrotman: haha! |
| 20:56.55 | resiak | Bah, dpkg is useless. |
| 20:56.57 | abrotman | just a beer will be fine |
| 20:57.00 | abrotman | !beer res |
| 20:57.01 | resiak | No. |
| 20:57.02 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:57.04 | spoopin | gerald: just ask here |
| 20:57.06 | resiak | \o/ |
| 20:57.08 | gerald | k |
| 20:57.17 | issostar | sorry |
| 20:57.21 | jetx | !tell vick about fix-unmet |
| 20:57.23 | gerald | I am trying to get my debian box to recive traps (snmp) |
| 20:57.32 | abrotman | gerald: why didn't you say that .. the answer is 3! |
| 20:57.35 | issostar | sugest me to write long phrases |
| 20:57.36 | gerald | i treid using snmptt |
| 20:57.48 | issostar | ok |
| 20:57.54 | gerald | but too many parts are missing |
| 20:57.56 | spoopin | gerald: did you apt-get install snmpd? |
| 20:57.57 | abrotman | gerald: sorry .. i'm trying to joke around .. i know you've been waiting a while for help |
| 20:57.57 | stuarta | asg: I love that theory. Currently fall under .uk |
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| 20:58.06 | gerald | found smptrapdfmt on debian website |
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| 20:58.16 | gerald | I have snmpd install |
| 20:58.18 | gerald | ed |
| 20:58.21 | asg | stuarta: :) |
| 20:58.22 | gerald | installed |
| 20:58.31 | radmin | god the xandros room is dead |
| 20:58.35 | gerald | i have snmptrads and snmptrapfmt installed |
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| 20:58.46 | radmin | nobody knows how to use it anyway |
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| 20:59.05 | spoopin | gerald: is snmptrapd running? netstat -alnu should show port 162 listening |
| 20:59.09 | issostar | i know some jokes but i can not share them with you because it s diffucult for me in inglish |
| 20:59.14 | radmin | gah dam is their 700 people in this room |
| 20:59.15 | jetx | vick: apt-get clean is supposed to clean out the downloaded .debs. make sure it works. delete it if it didn't. then do what dpkg said. and didn't you see everybody freak out about the other guy /msg'ing ? |
| 20:59.23 | abrotman | issostar: this is not a social channel .. it's a support channel |
| 20:59.26 | issostar | i think that you will like them |
| 20:59.32 | jetx | gtg werk |
| 20:59.38 | abrotman | gerald: fewer lines is better :) |
| 20:59.59 | gerald | Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State |
| 20:59.59 | gerald | udp 0 0 192.168.1.9:137 0.0.0.0:* |
| 20:59.59 | gerald | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:137 0.0.0.0:* |
| 20:59.59 | gerald | udp 0 0 192.168.1.9:138 0.0.0.0:* |
| 20:59.59 | gerald | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:138 0.0.0.0:* |
| 20:59.59 | gerald | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:161 0.0.0.0:* |
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| 21:00.00 | issostar | fewer lines?: |
| 21:00.11 | spoopin | abrotman: that's funny |
| 21:00.15 | asg | issostar: here is my one joke. 'A bear and a rabbit are taking a shit in the woods. The bear says to the rabbit, "Do you have a problem with shit sticking to your fur?". The rabbit says, "No". So, the bear wipes his ass with the rabbit.' |
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| 21:00.16 | issostar | is that other channel name |
| 21:00.20 | gerald | ok my bad |
| 21:00.21 | abrotman | spoopin: i didn't do it :) |
| 21:00.25 | gerald | should have know better |
| 21:00.26 | abrotman | gerald: /msg dpkg paste |
| 21:00.37 | spoopin | asg: that's an old duerbeck joke |
| 21:00.39 | gerald | yes it is listening |
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| 21:00.50 | xav | gentoo > debian > ubuntu > fedora > mandriva > arch |
| 21:00.50 | gerald | i was able to send a trap to it from localhost to localhost |
| 21:00.52 | asg | spoopin: like I said, it's the only joke I know. |
| 21:00.52 | issostar | all for people here |
| 21:00.58 | issostar | i want to say |
| 21:00.58 | abrotman | xav: is that all ? |
| 21:00.58 | radmin | is their any other xandros support rooms |
| 21:01.03 | asg | spoopin: how are things today? |
| 21:01.04 | spoopin | gerald: so what's the problem? |
| 21:01.06 | abrotman | radmin: just #xandrox |
| 21:01.07 | issostar | a am your headache |
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| 21:01.09 | abrotman | radmin: just #xandros |
| 21:01.12 | issostar | sorry |
| 21:01.15 | issostar | forthat |
| 21:01.16 | spoopin | asg: pretty quiet |
| 21:01.20 | radmin | the one i went to everyone commited mass suicide |
| 21:01.21 | gerald | well, its not doinf what the config says |
| 21:01.23 | spoopin | asg: and pretty boring |
| 21:01.23 | xav | abrotman: hmm no |
| 21:01.27 | gerald | it dumps it in syslog |
| 21:01.33 | asg | spoopin: figures, things will start ramping up in the next week or so. |
| 21:01.37 | abrotman | xav: but you thought you'd troll us anyways ? |
| 21:01.39 | gerald | and not into snmptrphadlr.log |
| 21:01.41 | issostar | every one talkin about software |
| 21:01.41 | asg | spoopin: you get the blade up? |
| 21:01.42 | spoopin | asg: quite |
| 21:01.45 | gerald | like the config says |
| 21:01.50 | issostar | so america likes software |
| 21:01.53 | spoopin | asg: what blade? |
| 21:01.57 | asg | spoopin: the sun blade |
| 21:01.57 | xav | abrotman: only the irc chan I'm on |
| 21:02.00 | abrotman | uhm .. can we quiet him now? |
| 21:02.08 | abrotman | !fr |
| 21:02.08 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 21:02.13 | spoopin | asg: nope. It;s a long story.. |
| 21:02.18 | gerald | honestly spoopin I have no clue what I am doing |
| 21:02.18 | d | !harden |
| 21:02.18 | dpkg | well, harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 21:02.29 | radmin | abro how do i host my own irc channel |
| 21:02.33 | gerald | I could be trying to use this componenets for something other than inteneded |
| 21:02.37 | spoopin | gerald: you're trying to send the info to Nagios? |
| 21:02.39 | abrotman | radmin: you start one .. do you want it registered? |
| 21:02.43 | gerald | eventually |
| 21:02.46 | spoopin | gerald: the trap info that is |
| 21:02.46 | d | ./j #radminscoolircchannel |
| 21:02.52 | abrotman | spoopin: could you send some info to Nigeria? |
| 21:02.53 | asg | spoopin: ah, okay. The moodle test box is still up since they are doing cce testing. Don't worry about rebuilding that until next week. |
| 21:02.58 | gerald | i wanted to get it configured before i moved to that step |
| 21:03.06 | spoopin | asg: cool |
| 21:03.12 | jim | issostar: that is what this channel is about... |
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| 21:03.28 | vick | Can someone help me with my problem please ? |
| 21:03.30 | spoopin | abrotman: sure.. just send me your bank account number :) |
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| 21:03.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:03.38 | issostar | abortman would you tell me about úîóð ïðåñåíñå õåðå |
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| 21:03.53 | gerald | spoopin have you integrated traps into nagios? |
| 21:03.53 | issostar | úè ëèêå úîó |
| 21:03.53 | abrotman | issostar: please leave this channel. You're becoming a distraction |
| 21:04.03 | issostar | ee |
| 21:04.10 | rumpl | vick, what is your problem |
| 21:04.11 | akhayyat | what is the best way to have 3d accel. for ati's radeon on debian? |
| 21:04.12 | issostar | why??? |
| 21:04.23 | spoopin | gerald: Yeah. It requires some custom code. Did you read about it in the Nagios docs? |
| 21:04.30 | abrotman | issostar: do you have any interest in Debian? |
| 21:04.39 | gerald | spoopin yes, but that describves using snmptt |
| 21:04.40 | issostar | yess |
| 21:04.43 | issostar | talk |
| 21:04.45 | s_ward | vick, is it still a problem with installing packages? |
| 21:04.52 | gerald | spoopin i am trying to use snmptrapdfmt |
| 21:04.52 | issostar | and have good time |
| 21:04.52 | abrotman | issostar: just listen .. do not talk .. please |
| 21:04.54 | vick | i tried 'apt-get clean' then 'apt-get -f install' i got 'Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf-i18n_1.4.30.13_all.deb ...' 'debsig: Origin signature check failed. this deb might not be signed', and it didn't continue |
| 21:05.08 | vick | s_ward: Yeah. |
| 21:05.08 | asg | vick: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 21:05.15 | issostar | ok |
| 21:05.24 | issostar | talk with me |
| 21:05.30 | jim | issostar, when you end your lines often you disrupt other conversations. this is a problem, possibly worthy of action |
| 21:05.34 | gerald | can snmptrapdfmt be used like snmptt |
| 21:05.39 | abrotman | !ops issostar general idiocy |
| 21:05.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: issostar general idiocy |
| 21:05.41 | spoopin | gerald: I doubt you'll be able to get the format you need that way. |
| 21:06.09 | *** mode/#debian [+q issostar!*@*] by LoRez |
| 21:06.11 | gerald | spoopin have you done it like on nagios? |
| 21:06.13 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
| 21:06.16 | spoopin | gerald: the problem is that eventually you have to write a string to the Nagios command fifo in a specific format |
| 21:06.31 | d | hey, when trying to get firewire to work (ipod) should I load it as a device or a module in the kernel? |
| 21:06.47 | gerald | spoopin whenever i run snmptt i get the @perl errors |
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| 21:07.02 | gerald | i have installed the net:snmp |
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| 21:07.11 | boulzzz | hello |
| 21:07.14 | gerald | but have been unable to vanquish this error |
| 21:07.38 | boulzzz | what's the default forum in debian sarge? |
| 21:07.44 | spoopin | gerald: I'm using traphandle statements in snmptrapd.conf to send the traps to a custom script |
| 21:07.48 | abrotman | boulzzz: you mean website or irc ? |
| 21:07.59 | gerald | I ama recent convert from SuSe so bare with me |
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| 21:08.13 | resiak | gerald: What's the exact error you're getting? |
| 21:08.17 | spoopin | gerald: the script formats the output and writes to the nagios fifo |
| 21:08.23 | MasterYoda | why does the debian kernel-source-2.6.8 package in stable cause modules to be installed in /lib/modules/2.6.8/extra instead of the proper location? |
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| 21:08.51 | resiak | d: modprobe sbp2 ieee1394 |
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| 21:09.04 | gerald | Config/IniFiles.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 |
| 21:09.06 | resiak | MasterYoda: Are you using kernel-package to compile it? |
| 21:09.07 | gerald | etc |
| 21:09.15 | boulzzz | abrotman: i'd like to install a forum in my webiste (apache 1.3.33), what's the default forum in debian sarge? |
| 21:09.25 | spoopin | gerald: Sorry but i've gotta go. Read the man pages for snmptrapd. That should give you a good start. |
| 21:09.26 | MasterYoda | resiak: using kernel-package to configure the kernel |
| 21:09.28 | abrotman | boulzzz: oh .. there isn't one .. there are many .. no default |
| 21:09.39 | gerald | spoopin have 10 times ;) |
| 21:09.42 | MasterYoda | resiak: make install in the package for the modules |
| 21:09.43 | gerald | spoopin NP |
| 21:09.53 | gerald | spoopin thanks for your help |
| 21:10.00 | abrotman | boulzzz: apt-cache search forum .. will display a bunch for you |
| 21:10.04 | resiak | MasterYoda: You're not using --append-to-version, are you? |
| 21:10.09 | MasterYoda | resiak: yeah I am |
| 21:10.11 | boulzzz | okok thank you |
| 21:10.12 | boulzzz | exit |
| 21:10.13 | resiak | MasterYoda: *shrug* |
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| 21:10.22 | MasterYoda | resiak: ok, thanks for trying |
| 21:10.32 | s_ward | hehe, "We suggest that you panic" -- from http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/x73.html |
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| 21:10.57 | gerald | anyoneelse have a clue on snmp traps? |
| 21:11.18 | gerald | example configs they will share? |
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| 21:11.41 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - does anyone know about a good how to compile 2.6 kernel series "the debian way" please |
| 21:11.51 | abrotman | !tell Sirius_Black about kp |
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| 21:12.07 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: and it's usually easier to first install a debian packaged kernel .. then do your own |
| 21:12.31 | rumpl | Sirius_Black, Google? |
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| 21:12.51 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: it probably is but I would need one which for audio apps |
| 21:12.56 | Sirius_Black | jack and stuff |
| 21:12.57 | abrotman | !tell rumpl about kp |
| 21:13.11 | gerald | . |
| 21:13.13 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: i realize that .. i'm just sying to install one so you get the packages that debian needs for a 2.6 kernel |
| 21:13.13 | gerald | q |
| 21:13.17 | s_ward | rumpl, dpkg is great :) |
| 21:13.17 | gerald | exit |
| 21:13.25 | abrotman | gerald: /quit :) |
| 21:13.31 | rumpl | s_ward, yes and? |
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| 21:13.57 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: are you suggesting that i first install a kernel image and then compile one on my own? |
| 21:14.03 | emag | am i just having a long run of bad luck, or are the http.us.d.o servers not very well synched lately? |
| 21:14.10 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: that's what i said :) |
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| 21:14.20 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: that way you get the packages debian requires to run a 2.6 |
| 21:14.35 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: because by installing a kernel image i would aslo install all the necessary stuff for compiling one - correct? |
| 21:14.39 | Sirius_Black | kewl abrotman |
| 21:14.41 | Sirius_Black | cheers |
| 21:14.42 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: not quite |
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| 21:14.44 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: wait |
| 21:14.55 | Gathond | Sirius_Black: not the stuff to build it, but the stuff to run it |
| 21:14.57 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: also install build-essential and libcurses5-dev |
| 21:15.06 | Sirius_Black | abrotman: but i am already running a 2.6 kernel |
| 21:15.09 | Gathond | Sirius_Black: like the new module loader and stuff |
| 21:15.31 | abrotman | Sirius_Black: ok .. then you might be alright .. just get build-essential and libcurses5-dev |
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| 21:15.37 | bluefox83 | major brain fart! i can't remember how to untar a tar.bz2 file =( |
| 21:15.38 | Sirius_Black | cheers guys |
| 21:15.43 | abrotman | bluefox83: man tar |
| 21:15.49 | rumpl | bluefox83, xvjf |
| 21:15.58 | abrotman | bluefox83: man tar |
| 21:16.05 | rumpl | bluefox83, man tar |
| 21:16.08 | bluefox83 | i know... |
| 21:16.08 | rumpl | :) |
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| 21:16.19 | abrotman | he should be able to read .. can't hand out fish all day :) |
| 21:16.36 | rumpl | :) |
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| 21:16.54 | mls | heh, second use of fish wrt man pages within an hour, on two seperate channels. |
| 21:17.12 | abrotman | !fish |
| 21:17.12 | dpkg | fish is probably FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
| 21:18.11 | resiak | Broken link! |
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| 21:18.58 | abrotman | resiak: fix it! |
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| 21:19.06 | resiak | Oh gods, Will_ is bouncy again. |
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| 21:19.15 | asg | !bounce |
| 21:19.15 | dpkg | BOIIIIINNNNGGG! |
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| 21:19.47 | resiak | abrotman: No. |
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| 21:20.05 | abrotman | resiak: all day .. i already /msg'ed him |
| 21:20.14 | resiak | abrotman: I just did too :) |
| 21:20.28 | bluefox83 | man i suck at this.. |
| 21:20.40 | abrotman | #windows is just near the end of the alphabet |
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| 21:20.49 | bluefox83 | for some reason it's taking loads of resources just to unzip a kernel-source package |
| 21:20.55 | resiak | Right... |
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| 21:21.49 | abrotman | bluefox83: it's bzipped .. and depending on your hardware and filesystem .. that could also take CPU .. get over it |
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| 21:22.41 | braniff | how do i stop a kernel module from loading on bootup in debian ?? |
| 21:22.46 | bluefox83 | abrotman, it's taking far more than usual, that's why i'm concerned |
| 21:22.49 | asg | braniff: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:23.03 | Gathond | bluefox83: why would decompressing stuff not take CPU resources ... its nok like its an operation intensive for anything but raw calculations |
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| 21:23.35 | bluefox83 | Gathond, say what O.o |
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| 21:23.41 | abrotman | bluefox83: it's what .. 30MB? 20MB ? .. give it time |
| 21:23.45 | braniff | asg, thanks |
| 21:23.53 | asg | braniff: you're welcome |
| 21:24.26 | Gathond | bluefox83: especially bzip2 uses alot of CPU resources to compress and decompress |
| 21:24.27 | bluefox83 | abrotman, it's wierd though, it practically brings everything to a screaching halt, i have a gig of freakin ram and a decent processor, not sure it should be doin that |
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| 21:24.36 | bluefox83 | :/ |
| 21:24.43 | bluefox83 | ok |
| 21:25.30 | dogmeat | how do i list package files for a package that isn't installed? |
| 21:25.48 | asg | dogmeat: download it, dpkg -c <pkg> |
| 21:25.50 | dogmeat | this package only appears on the apt-cache search list |
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| 21:26.21 | X2 | hi, guys |
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| 21:27.29 | X2 | i get an fuzzy sound sometimes and the "Sound server error CPU overload aborting" - i'm using Arts, kern 2.4.27 |
| 21:27.31 | jim | dogmeat: probably you need to download the .deb so you can work on it locally... or maybe packages.debian.org has lists |
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| 21:30.32 | asg | dogmeat: you might also be able to zgrep /var/cache/apt/*Contents*.gz |
| 21:32.41 | jim | oh, and apt-file |
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| 21:35.41 | vick | I've seem that apt-secure thing |
| 21:35.51 | vick | however i don't have the command apt-key |
| 21:36.00 | vick | does that mean i have to get apt-secure or what ? |
| 21:36.02 | mobile | Good Evening Sirs! After installing xserver-xfree86,how do I launch 'startx'? |
| 21:36.13 | darkskiez | i've got a problem with apache2, it keeps stalling for ages and ages, and i dont know why, no errors in error log :( |
| 21:36.14 | resiak | !faq mobile |
| 21:36.15 | dpkg | mobile: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:37.51 | stew | sussudio: wayttd? |
| 21:37.51 | vick | Hello could someone help me out with this 'auththenticating' error i get in apt-get please ? |
| 21:38.08 | stew | vick: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 21:38.13 | vick | i did that |
| 21:38.23 | stew | vick: so whats the problem? |
| 21:38.25 | vick | and went to http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ |
| 21:38.27 | s_ward | vick, the debian-administration link in that says it clearly |
| 21:38.30 | vick | made the commands at page 5 |
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| 21:38.43 | vick | and it failed and i didn't even find apt-key |
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| 21:39.11 | imaek | Is there a way to search the packages currently installed? |
| 21:39.11 | s_ward | vick, you either add the key to your keyring, or you ignore it -- apt-get --allow-unauthenticated install packagename |
| 21:39.25 | sussudio | stew: match words in a string. |
| 21:39.31 | Laney | if i'm using a proxy server in my web browser, do dns requests go through it? |
| 21:39.35 | stew | sussudio: \bword\b ? |
| 21:39.38 | nkuttler_ | imaek: search for what? |
| 21:39.44 | imaek | A package |
| 21:39.45 | sussudio | stew: you'd think that |
| 21:39.54 | imaek | I need to see what PHP package is installed |
| 21:39.56 | sussudio | stew: pisg doesn't seem to. |
| 21:40.03 | dogmeat | i did dpkg --force-depends -P wget to remove wget, but then downloaded the wget 1.10 tar.gz, make install'd it. but apt-get check reports that 'gimp: Depends: wget but it is not installed'. any ideas how to correct this? |
| 21:40.14 | resiak | dogmeat: Don't do that. |
| 21:40.18 | resiak | !info wget sarge |
| 21:40.26 | dpkg | wget: (retrieves files from the web), section web, is optional. Version: 1.9.1-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 416 kB, Installed size: 1460 kB |
| 21:40.27 | dogmeat | resiak: ah, thanks |
| 21:40.34 | stew | sussudio: perldoc perlre? |
| 21:40.47 | resiak | dogmeat: Why do you want 1.10? Does it do something you need that 1.9 doesn't? |
| 21:40.51 | stew | sussudio: if its perl based it seems like \b should be working... |
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| 21:40.59 | nkuttler | imaek: look what's in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 21:41.03 | stew | !info wgat |
| 21:41.09 | stew | !info wget |
| 21:41.14 | Nazxul | wgit |
| 21:41.19 | Nazxul | Redneck wget. |
| 21:41.20 | sussudio | stew: well, the example string is ChartsRegexp = "(?:np:|(?:now )?playing:? (?:MPEG stream from)?)\s*(.*)" |
| 21:41.24 | dpkg | wget: (retrieves files from the web), section web, is important. Version: 1.10-3+1.10.1beta1 (sid), Packaged size: 440 kB, Installed size: 1516 kB |
| 21:41.29 | mobile | resiak, what package enables mouse in the console? |
| 21:41.40 | stew | dogmeat: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:41.56 | imaek | What? |
| 21:41.57 | dogmeat | resiak: yeah it had some features i wanted |
| 21:41.58 | imaek | It says php4 |
| 21:41.59 | resiak | mobile: Why TF are you asking me? |
| 21:42.02 | imaek | but on the server it says |
| 21:42.04 | imaek | 2.3 or something |
| 21:42.10 | imaek | 2.3.5* |
| 21:42.11 | resiak | dogmeat: Make yourself a nice Debian package from the source. |
| 21:42.16 | resiak | mobile: (gpm, though.) |
| 21:42.17 | mobile | resiak, you were the last that replied Sir |
| 21:42.26 | mobile | thank you Sir |
| 21:42.31 | resiak | mobile: That's not a good reason... |
| 21:42.47 | dogmeat | resiak: how do i make a debian package from source? |
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| 21:42.49 | s_ward | vick, apt-key is provided in the apt package, btw |
| 21:42.57 | mobile | resiak,please excuse me Sir! |
| 21:42.59 | resiak | dogmeat: Don't ask me. Ask the channel! |
| 21:43.02 | stew | sussudio: "(?" looks odd. seems like one of those should be escaped |
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| 21:43.06 | dogmeat | lol |
| 21:43.06 | resiak | mobile: What's the deal with the "Sir"? |
| 21:43.20 | sussudio | stew: *shrug* |
| 21:43.21 | dogmeat | how do i make a debian package from src? |
| 21:43.25 | nkuttler | dogmeat: debian.org/doc maintainer guide |
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| 21:43.33 | dogmeat | thanks\ |
| 21:43.35 | stew | dogmeat: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian rules ; /msg dpkg mg |
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| 21:43.45 | resiak | Will_: Stap doing that you fucking muppet. |
| 21:43.47 | smag2 | hello folks, is there an open source real player packaged for debian that plays all real formats. helix seems a little restricted |
| 21:43.53 | bluefox83 | ok, i'm compiling a kernel-source with the same version and build number as a kernel-image i already have installed, i simply want to have it compiled by the newer gcc, how do i get it to use the same config as the kernel-image ? |
| 21:43.56 | stew | dogmeat: but the "simple sid backport" is the one you really want |
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| 21:44.04 | stew | resiak: /ignore #debian JOINS |
| 21:44.15 | resiak | stew: yyssw |
| 21:44.25 | mobile | resiak: I meant to be polite Sir. |
| 21:44.35 | resiak | mobile: I see, ma'am. |
| 21:44.53 | StijnT | è |
| 21:44.58 | StijnT | whoops |
| 21:45.06 | mls | resiak: esl |
| 21:45.17 | bluefox83 | do i move the image's config file from /boot into /usr/src/linux and rename it? |
| 21:45.19 | resiak | mls: 13/f/cali ^_________^ lololololol |
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| 21:45.40 | whitespace | should I use both: #!/usr/bin/env perl and #!/bin/bash in a script that contains perl and bash? |
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| 21:45.52 | TheMoebius | how do I test my server's reverse DNS? I'm not sure if my provider added it yet or not. |
| 21:45.54 | imaek | Is there any way to tell what php package I have installed? |
| 21:45.59 | mls | resiak: sorry, english as a second language. mobile may not be a native english speaker. |
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| 21:46.03 | nkuttler | whitespace: no, write two scripts |
| 21:46.04 | Kev0r | Hi there, maybe a n00b question, but how can i run a command in the background when booting my debian? (automatic ofc) |
| 21:46.15 | pureone | imaek dpkg -l | grep php |
| 21:46.21 | resiak | mls: Oh, I see. Sorry, I misread e as a. :) |
| 21:46.32 | mls | resiak: :-) |
| 21:46.34 | resiak | mls: That's a very good point. |
| 21:46.37 | imaek | thanks, pure |
| 21:46.41 | fatal__ | Kev0r: use @reboot in crontab ... |
| 21:47.07 | whitespace | nkuttler, hmm, I have a very good mix of perl and bash all over the place in a script |
| 21:47.08 | fatal__ | Kev0r: man 5 crontab, or google, or ask dpkg. |
| 21:47.32 | Kev0r | okie O |
| 21:47.57 | nkuttler | whitespace: #bash, #perl |
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| 21:49.28 | d | ok, im ready to learn how to compile my own kernel to work in debian (want to get firewire and my ATI driver working), can you point me to the right documentation? |
| 21:49.45 | resiak | d: You don't need to roll your own for either... |
| 21:50.09 | stew | d: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:51.02 | d | stew: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:51.28 | stew | d: then firewire is already in your kernel |
| 21:51.40 | sussudio | stew: how do i match the string "-|-" |
| 21:51.45 | stew | d: if you want the closed source drivers: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 21:52.07 | stew | sussudio: afaik /-\|-/ |
| 21:52.10 | dunstabulos | TheMoebius, http://www.dnsstuff.com/ |
| 21:52.14 | d | stew: hm, when I boot, the kernel hangs when it tries to read my firewire port (also says something about hotplugger) |
| 21:52.15 | dogmeat | stew: why is the simple sid backport of wget what i want? |
| 21:52.25 | sussudio | stew: looks like ascii art :-| |
| 21:52.29 | stew | yeah i know |
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| 21:53.01 | stew | dogmeat: if you want to run the sid version (1.10) in sarge, this is the best way to get the sid version recompiled for your install |
| 21:53.02 | Gathond | sussudio: probably depends alot upon the exact flawor of regex |
| 21:53.16 | nkuttler | !tell d about errors |
| 21:53.25 | stew | Gathond: perl |
| 21:53.26 | nkuttler | d: do you have hotplug installed? |
| 21:53.32 | sussudio | stupid perl |
| 21:53.32 | Gathond | sussudio: most noticably what it consideres special chars and what not, I've found that to differ alot |
| 21:53.34 | d | nkuttler: yes |
| 21:53.34 | sussudio | well, that won't work. |
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| 21:53.52 | stew | sussudio: if that is part of a larger expression the /'s will be omitted of course... |
| 21:54.01 | Vyrus001 | how do i get hostap running ( i modprobed hostap and my wifi card is still not showing up in iwconfig) |
| 21:54.15 | d | i can reboot with the firewire plug in (it goes straight into my mobo via a faux pci "card") and copy down the error I get |
| 21:54.18 | sussudio | ... |
| 21:54.38 | aceb747 | i made a debian install cd and it wont recognize it booting... can someone help? |
| 21:54.41 | dogmeat | stew: oh i see, sid is version 1.10 (aka unstable). |
| 21:54.52 | dogmeat | how do i get sid version of wget? |
| 21:55.25 | stew | dogmeat: /msg dpkg simple sid backport... |
| 21:56.13 | sgeigerbot | aceb747: How did you burn the iso? Which command? |
| 21:56.16 | dogmeat | stew: thanks |
| 21:56.30 | aceb747 | i burned in windows with nero |
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| 21:56.57 | aceb747 | sgeigerbot: i burned in windows with nero |
| 21:57.06 | arvind | Is there a good .ace reader out there in the repositorys, running sarge. |
| 21:57.15 | s_ward | aceb747, might be a silly question, but is booting from CD enabled in your BIOS? |
| 21:57.50 | sgeigerbot | aceb747: I heard that burning and ISO under Nero is like this: go to File -> Burn Image. |
| 21:57.54 | stew | aceb747: did you burn the iso as a file instead of an image? when look at the cd you burned, do you see a bunch of directories on the cd or just on .iso file? |
| 21:58.18 | aceb747 | stew, i have the dir structure |
| 21:58.38 | dunstabulos | aceb747, disk at once, finalise disk ? |
| 21:58.38 | aceb747 | stew, however the boot.img is in a boot folder instead of the root |
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| 21:59.29 | sgeigerbot | aceb747: btw, you can probably use these, too: http://www.burnatonce.com/ http://hem.bredband.net/cdburnerxp/ |
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| 22:00.44 | aceb747 | i got ubuntu working.... i have to renistall cause the amd64 is not stable enough... is the IA64 any different? |
| 22:01.04 | sgeigerbot | aceb747: You can do so with the open-source utility 'cdrecord', too. What you need to do is * get cdrecord for windows: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdrecord.html * get cygwin1.dll: http://www.cygwin.com/ * get wnaspi32.dll: http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?wnaspi32 Put this all together in one directory (no need to copy files to windows directory |
| 22:01.04 | sgeigerbot | ) and you're ready to go. |
| 22:01.24 | Gathond | aceyes, the IA64 is quite different, and for a completely other CPU architecture :) |
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| 22:02.13 | aceb747 | gathond, the ia64 is for the intel 64 chipset? |
| 22:02.34 | Gathond | aceb747: its the intel itanium |
| 22:02.45 | dunstabulos | aceb747, not EM64T |
| 22:02.48 | Gathond | not the P3,P4, xeon line |
| 22:02.49 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: how many pages has it printed so far? |
| 22:03.14 | Gathond | aceb747: not the AMD 64 bit or the compatible intel ones |
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| 22:04.15 | arvind | are there any programs out there that can uncompress a .ace file type? |
| 22:04.35 | aceb747 | one quick question is what are the adantages of debian over something like ubuntu? |
| 22:05.04 | braniff | aceb747, MUCH better name heh |
| 22:05.06 | nkuttler | arvind: apt-cache search uncompress ace |
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| 22:05.51 | s_ward | arvind, /msg dpkg find unace |
| 22:06.00 | Sirius_Black | guys how do i enable ssh access on a machine, i.e. i am not able to ssh into it from another machine, it tells that the connection refused |
| 22:06.03 | sgeigerbot | arvind: http://www.altap.cz/salam_en/features/unace.html |
| 22:06.04 | aceb747 | braniff, this is why i am kind of thinking of staying with debian |
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| 22:06.32 | nkuttler | Sirius_Black: is ssh installed? |
| 22:06.35 | Sirius_Black | yeah |
| 22:06.50 | s_ward | Sirius_Black, openssh-server installed? Firewall blocking? Trying root with root access disabled? |
| 22:06.54 | nkuttler | Sirius_Black: is it running? can you connect from localhost? what does the log say? |
| 22:07.03 | Sirius_Black | ah lemme see |
| 22:07.24 | narg | Firefox surports .svgs, no? |
| 22:07.55 | sgeigerbot | arvind: unace is better. |
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| 22:08.02 | sgeigerbot | narg: yes. |
| 22:08.11 | Sirius_Black | it looks like server isn't installed - forgot about that one :-) cheeers guys |
| 22:08.18 | sgeigerbot | narg: the last I knew...at least. |
| 22:08.20 | narg | Do you use the regular <img src"blah.svg"> for it? Doesnt seem to be working. |
| 22:08.25 | mobile | I am looking for a mail client without many dependencies (for use with iceWM). |
| 22:08.30 | narg | src="blah.svg"* |
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| 22:08.34 | PeterB | mobile: mutt |
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| 22:08.49 | Becca | Can anyone tell me how to adjust the font sizes for when you are searching for files in xmms and similar applications? For some reason, it is using a very tiny font, and I can't figure out what system setting is making it this unreadible. |
| 22:08.49 | michaeln | i just installed debian, how do I configure my screen resolution? (it's stuck at 800x600 and the only other option is 600x480) |
| 22:08.55 | mobile | PeterB: is it with graphical interface? |
| 22:09.22 | PeterB | mobile: curses. |
| 22:09.33 | Sirius_Black | another question - can i install xorg rather than xfree86 on sid? |
| 22:09.49 | Sirius_Black | and will i be able to set up me 3D nVidia card with xorg |
| 22:09.53 | cbgb | michaeln: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:10.03 | mobile | PeterB, is 'curses' the package name Sir? |
| 22:10.57 | stew | mobile: no there is no package named Sir |
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| 22:11.17 | PeterB | mobile: No, the interface type. |
| 22:11.31 | cbgb | anybody knows how to add high memory support to a preconfigured 2.6.8-2 kernel |
| 22:11.33 | cbgb | ? |
| 22:12.06 | cbgb | do i have to compile it all? |
| 22:12.11 | mobile | PeterB: does mutt support mail attachment? |
| 22:12.19 | PeterB | mobile: Of course. |
| 22:12.21 | stew | cbgb: recompile with CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 22:12.21 | aeronadix | mobile, Of course |
| 22:12.37 | cbgb | yeah but you know |
| 22:12.41 | mobile | PeterB, then that's wouderful Sir, thank you! |
| 22:12.46 | cbgb | its a precompiled one |
| 22:12.52 | cbgb | and i dont know the options |
| 22:13.01 | cbgb | how can i make an exact image |
| 22:13.01 | aeronadix | hey can configure exim for me real quick, its been ages, and I have tried like crazy with no success |
| 22:13.08 | michaeln | cbgb: i reconfigured xserver and logged out, but it didn't present me with the added screen resolution options |
| 22:13.10 | cbgb | and add support for that? |
| 22:13.13 | michaeln | do i have to reboot? |
| 22:13.26 | deefzi | any idea how i could run this (http://deadfizh.homelinux.com/iptables.script) script? i've tried bash/sh iptables.script rules/start etc... |
| 22:13.31 | aeronadix | I am trying to configure exim for google outgoing mail |
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| 22:13.39 | imaek | How can I tell what fonts are installed on my system? |
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| 22:13.44 | nkuttler | cbgb: apt-get source kernel-image-foo, kernel-package, look at /boot/config-foo |
| 22:13.45 | cbgb | michaeln: i thought it was there |
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| 22:13.48 | cbgb | try to edit |
| 22:13.51 | sgeigerbot | deefzi: head -1 iptables.script |
| 22:13.53 | Shadowcat | heh |
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| 22:13.59 | Shadowcat | kernel-package is currently broken in testing |
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| 22:14.42 | aeronadix | michaeln, what is that, tell me about it please |
| 22:14.47 | cbgb | edit /etc/X11/XFree86-4 |
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| 22:15.24 | cbgb | everythings in there |
| 22:16.56 | stew | Shadowcat: how so? |
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| 22:18.25 | aeronadix | michaeln, added screen resolution options? |
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| 22:18.48 | michaeln | aeronadix: in gnome there is an application that lets me switch resolutions |
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| 22:19.07 | ubuntu__ | 'evening |
| 22:19.09 | michaeln | xserver just died on me - the configuration got messed up some how, im taking a look at the file again to see if i can figure it out |
| 22:19.22 | michaeln | anyone know what device a usb mouse is usually set to? and the protocol? |
| 22:19.23 | aeronadix | michaeln, cool, I never knew of anything like that for linux thats why I was curious |
| 22:19.30 | vick | Can i use apt-get to download apt-key to solve my problem ? |
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| 22:19.42 | vick | apt-get --allow-unauthenticated install apt-key ? |
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| 22:19.57 | tikka | is anyone alive that could help me understand how the .dsc packages are made. im a little lost as to even call the,. |
| 22:20.00 | tikka | them* |
| 22:20.14 | michaeln | aeronadix: its under gnome's desktop settings section |
| 22:20.18 | stew | vick: apt-key is in the same package as apt-get |
| 22:20.24 | stew | vick: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:20.35 | vick | 3.1, Stable. |
| 22:20.41 | vick | i cannot find apt-key |
| 22:20.42 | tobiasd | hello, when i have my login screen i enabled viewing the exssisting users. but it shows only me and a user called captive. not the other users i created. why is that? |
| 22:20.51 | vick | therefor i cannot solve the problem of authentication |
| 22:20.56 | stew | vick: then your apt doesn't know anything about authenticated repositories |
| 22:20.57 | aeronadix | michaeln, Iive never got gnome or kde working well, so I don't use, maybe new hardware can handle it |
| 22:21.04 | stew | vick: you should have no problem |
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| 22:21.12 | vick | stew: Yet i have a problem |
| 22:21.19 | stew | vick: what version does "dpkg -l apt" report? |
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| 22:21.23 | vick | i tried 'apt-get clean' then 'apt-get -f install' i got 'Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf-i18n_1.4.30.13_all.deb ...' 'debsig: Origin signature check failed. this deb might not be signed', and it didn't continue |
| 22:21.56 | stew | oh, thats different. that sounds like a broken mirror |
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| 22:22.01 | michaeln | aeronadix: ah, i haven't used linux in a couple years - so everything is very rusty for me. I used to use gentoo, so this feels brand new to me |
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| 22:22.10 | vick | stew: What do i do then ? |
| 22:22.17 | stew | vick: switch to a non broken mirror |
| 22:22.18 | vick | stew: I am new to debian. first time to install it. |
| 22:22.20 | s_ward | debsig.. |
| 22:22.26 | vick | stew: How do i do that ? |
| 22:22.27 | s_ward | different project to apt secure |
| 22:22.31 | stew | vick: apt-setup |
| 22:23.13 | vick | stew: Do you know a good reliable speedy mirror ? |
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| 22:23.33 | aeronadix | michaeln, so how is gnome running, does it run well, or does spiral out of control all the time |
| 22:23.36 | stew | vick: mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 22:24.00 | michaeln | well considering i messed up xfree somehow, its not working at all =P |
| 22:24.12 | michaeln | xserver is complaining it can't load my mouse |
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| 22:25.09 | coreyo | after resuming from a sleep (echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep), my computer seems to automatically enter runlevel 0 and shut itself down cleanly several seconds later. Anyone have any suggestions for stopping this? |
| 22:25.10 | s_ward | Is netselect still going? That could still be handy for finding good mirrors for your connection |
| 22:25.16 | Xik0 | is any program that starts a application at an hour defined be me? |
| 22:25.28 | mobile | How to find out what font the following webpage uses www.idividi.com.mk? I want to install that font to read the webpage. Thank you |
| 22:25.28 | d | quick question when installing ATI drivers, when I modify /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 do I APPEND, or OVERWRITE the file? |
| 22:25.36 | s_ward | Xik0, cron |
| 22:25.37 | PeterB | Xik0: cron. |
| 22:25.44 | Xik0 | oh thks :) |
| 22:26.34 | michaeln | is there a debian application that configures my mouse? after install the mouse was working fine and xfree booted up, but i tried reconfiguring xfree using dpkg-reconfigure and now xserver is complaining that it can't init my mouse |
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| 22:26.55 | nkuttler | mobile: looks like cyrillic or something, apt-cache search font cyrill |
| 22:28.09 | mobile | nkuttler: It is cyrillic Sir. I did install xfonts-cyrillic,followed by X restart, without any success. |
| 22:28.15 | buu | kl |
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| 22:28.41 | mobile | nkuttler, How exactly to know which font to install? |
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| 22:30.33 | _ioscanner | I upgraded apache-ssl to the latest apache for debian via apt-get and now .htaccess is not working. It errors with user not found: not the space where the username should have been passed |
| 22:30.39 | _ioscanner | anyone seen this? |
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| 22:31.28 | rachad | debian-fr |
| 22:31.34 | cbgb | michaeln: try all the different settings for uyour mouse |
| 22:31.47 | cbgb | ill work at the end |
| 22:31.55 | cbgb | theres something called mouseconfig |
| 22:32.08 | cbgb | though but i think is only for the console |
| 22:32.41 | abrotman | or try auto in the X config |
| 22:33.18 | michaeln | abrotman: what do you mean auto? |
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| 22:33.52 | mobile | Wow,amarok says that After unpacking 124MB of additional disk space will be used. Is there nothing like amarok,no alternative? |
| 22:34.06 | abrotman | michaeln: did you dmesg | grep mouse ? |
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| 22:34.18 | abrotman | mobile: it's a media player? |
| 22:34.26 | rachad | gnuk ca marche mieux, je vois du texte arabe mais tres confus |
| 22:34.33 | abrotman | mobile: kaffiene,xine,mplayer,totem,and others |
| 22:34.35 | abrotman | !fr |
| 22:34.35 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 22:34.46 | michaeln | abrotman: nothing comes up - it no longer works, but it did work a second ago (i rebooted to see if screen resolution changed) |
| 22:34.58 | mobile | abrotman which one does play mp3 and ogg? |
| 22:35.00 | braniff | how do i fix this error in wpa_supplicant on debian ? --> "ioctl[IEEE80211_IOCTL_SETKEY]: No such device or address" / "WPA: Failed to set PTK to the driver." |
| 22:35.21 | abrotman | mobile: that's all you want ? .. |
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| 22:35.33 | abrotman | mobile: what is your normal desktop ? |
| 22:35.40 | abrotman | michaeln: ps2 or usb? |
| 22:35.45 | mobile | abrotman IceWM Sir |
| 22:35.48 | abrotman | and which kernel ? |
| 22:35.51 | michaeln | abrotman:usb |
| 22:35.53 | abrotman | mobile: xmms doens't play ogg ? |
| 22:35.55 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 22:35.55 | dpkg | hmm... usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 22:36.15 | mobile | abrotman I will check right away, thanks Sir! |
| 22:36.19 | abrotman | mobile: let me find an ogg .. moment |
| 22:36.28 | mobile | Sure Sir. |
| 22:36.44 | abrotman | mobile: xmms says it plays ogg |
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| 22:37.32 | abrotman | mobile: also .. zinf apparently does |
| 22:37.42 | mobile | abrotman this is excellent, thanks again Sir! |
| 22:38.03 | mls | mobile: aptitude is a fine interface to the debian packaging system |
| 22:38.16 | _ioscanner | So anyone know how to resolve the .htaccess issue with apache 1.3.3 pkg |
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| 22:38.41 | abrotman | _ioscanner: did you try to recreate it ? or are there too many users ? |
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| 22:39.20 | _ioscanner | no just apt-get install apache-ssl |
| 22:39.27 | mobile | mls indeed,one can browse as well.Thanks for the information |
| 22:39.40 | abrotman | _ioscanner: you might need to install another module .. or enable it |
| 22:39.52 | _ioscanner | I have been using apache-ssl for a year on debian with the same config. I upgraded from 1.3.27 to 1.3.3 and now it doesn't work |
| 22:40.20 | mobile | I'm using XTerm right now with very small font,is there an alternative? |
| 22:40.30 | _ioscanner | I have the auth_module install |
| 22:40.40 | abrotman | mobile: many |
| 22:40.42 | _ioscanner | What other module do I need? |
| 22:40.56 | mobile | abrotman please tell me one Sir! |
| 22:41.01 | mls | mobile: aptitude allows powerful searches. look for patterns and the limit command in the documentation. |
| 22:41.13 | abrotman | mobile: gnome-terminal? |
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| 22:41.48 | _ioscanner | I haven't change any config info. I believe I have all the same modules I did an apt-get upgrade to upgrade the system before. I even did a new install with an apt-get install apache-ssl and I get the same error |
| 22:41.57 | abrotman | apt-cache search apache mod auth ? |
| 22:42.24 | mobile | After I install a program,how to update the information in the menu (icon of program)? |
| 22:42.33 | abrotman | update-menu ? |
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| 22:42.40 | michaeln | abrotman: thanks, that worked |
| 22:42.54 | abrotman | wait .. what worked ? |
| 22:42.57 | abrotman | oh .. th emouse :) |
| 22:43.00 | michaeln | yeah |
| 22:43.05 | michaeln | i needed that protocol |
| 22:43.09 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 22:43.30 | mobile | abrotman : I'm afraid gnome-terminal takes 87.4MB, Sir. Simplier is not possible? |
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| 22:43.53 | michaeln | any advice for cleaning up packages? i selected sql database and file server when installing debian, but it installed postgress and appletalk, which i don't want |
| 22:44.04 | abrotman | deborphan |
| 22:44.09 | michaeln | !deborphan |
| 22:44.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge'...and if you run that command as root without first making sure deborphan is installed, you will get a nasty surprise. |
| 22:44.13 | michaeln | thanks |
| 22:44.14 | s_ward | mobile: rxvt, aterm much smaller |
| 22:44.16 | Eonn | to change the default port of ssh one edits the ssh_config file ? Do you uncomment the line Port 22 and change it to the port number you want to assign? |
| 22:44.25 | _ioscanner | I only see mod-auth-mysql mod-auth-plain etc. which would I need for .htaccess plain? |
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| 22:44.37 | abrotman | i'd guess plain |
| 22:45.15 | mobile | and how to update the menus without restarting X? |
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| 22:45.39 | mls | Eonn: sshd_config(5) |
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| 22:46.10 | abrotman | Eonn: you'd need to restart sshd also |
| 22:46.23 | Eonn | mls: yeah i just read that man, but im unsure whether you need to remove the # infront of the line 'Port 22' |
| 22:46.26 | abrotman | mobile: did you install menu? .. |
| 22:47.15 | mls | Eonn: that's the second sentence of the manpage! |
| 22:47.53 | mobile | abrotman,correct Sir! |
| 22:48.17 | mobile | add the icon of the newly installed program. |
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| 22:49.00 | abrotman | Eonn: otherwise .. it's a comment |
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| 22:49.37 | _ioscanner | got it damn... |
| 22:49.43 | michaeln | whats the difference between mark for removal and mark for complete removal in the synaptic package manager? |
| 22:49.51 | _ioscanner | they change a module name for mod_auth...mod_auth_ssl for the module |
| 22:49.52 | _ioscanner | doh |
| 22:50.20 | s_ward | michaeln, it's the difference between uninstall, and purge :) |
| 22:50.21 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 22:50.28 | abrotman | _ioscanner: it works now ? |
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| 22:50.32 | _ioscanner | Yep |
| 22:50.36 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:50.36 | Eonn | okay |
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| 22:51.00 | _ioscanner | they change a module name and didn't put it in the notes mod_auth is no more in apache-ssl 1.3.3 |
| 22:51.06 | mobile | abrotman I didn't install 'menu',but will do right away Sir! |
| 22:51.11 | _ioscanner | it works under apache (no ssl) |
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| 22:51.37 | _ioscanner | cool now the fun part strip and clean and lock down the OS. |
| 22:52.23 | _ioscanner | thanks for at least attempting. I tried to go to the #apache and no one responds to anything. |
| 22:52.32 | abrotman | i did attempt .. didn't i? |
| 22:52.39 | abrotman | you mean the auth package wasn't right ? |
| 22:52.43 | _ioscanner | Yes you did thanks you |
| 22:53.01 | mobile | abrotman I did install 'menu' and update-menus didn't bring the newly installed programs in the menus |
| 22:53.10 | abrotman | mobile: you might actually have to restart ... |
| 22:53.12 | _ioscanner | the auth pkg was find. apache-ssl ships with mod_auth_ssl so the extra module is not needed |
| 22:53.18 | abrotman | mobile: you didn't compile fluxbox did you ? |
| 22:53.27 | abrotman | _ioscanner: ah .. that's stupid :) |
| 22:53.36 | _ioscanner | I listed all modules in the dpkg and found the new name. made the change and bingo |
| 22:53.40 | _ioscanner | yep. |
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| 22:54.03 | _ioscanner | I was up all night building from source and have the same problem. I thought something was broke |
| 22:54.14 | _ioscanner | nope just undocument name change. |
| 22:54.15 | abrotman | doh! |
| 22:54.27 | vick | stew: i did what you told me, and i'm getting the same error :( |
| 22:54.27 | abrotman | i'm sure it's documented somewhere |
| 22:54.33 | _ioscanner | I will post it on apache list so anyone looking for user not found: error will know |
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| 22:54.46 | _ioscanner | I found a few postings but no one had a solution |
| 22:54.48 | abrotman | _ioscanner: did you check the README for apache-ssl package ? |
| 22:54.53 | _ioscanner | yep |
| 22:54.54 | mobile | abrotman no Sir |
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| 22:55.45 | _ioscanner | they have a new perl module stuff but nothing on mod_auth to mod_auth_ssl |
| 22:56.03 | abrotman | nice |
| 22:56.30 | vick | Damn what's wrong with debian :( |
| 22:56.48 | abrotman | vick: what did you do? |
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| 22:57.15 | _ioscanner | Well thanks again. I need to get back on this. I am a day behind. Well I have a new dpkg I will post that has php4 and php5, apache-1.3.3, mysql=4.1.13 |
| 22:57.27 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:57.34 | _ioscanner | this was the only problem I had |
| 22:57.40 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:57.49 | _ioscanner | It was not a debian problem it was an undocumented change in apache-ssl only |
| 22:57.55 | eS | I'm trying to get ndiswrapper working, I have the drivers and everything installed but when I try to modprobe I get the cannot locate module error anyone had/fixed this problem? :\ |
| 22:57.56 | vick | Whenever i do apt-get anything i get error 'depends on etc..' so i've been told to do 'apt-get clean' 'apt-get -f install' but i'm getting erros on authentication, so i've been told to do something with 'apt-key' command which i don't have in the first place so i've been told to use another mirror and i did that and i'm getting all the same errors again |
| 22:58.03 | vick | So what should i do ? |
| 22:58.18 | vick | I am new to Debian but i've used other Linux distributions but with other packaging systems. |
| 22:58.19 | abrotman | vick: you're running sid ? |
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| 22:58.25 | abrotman | or unstable |
| 22:58.27 | vick | abrotman: Debian 3.1 , Stable |
| 22:58.27 | _ioscanner | I have php5 and mysql 4.1.13 now I will post in unstable after a few days of testing |
| 22:58.39 | _ioscanner | bbl |
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| 22:58.44 | abrotman | vick: can you paste your sources with the paster? |
| 22:58.49 | abrotman | !tell vick about paster |
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| 23:00.13 | htedrom | hey guys is anyone running Azureus? |
| 23:00.22 | htedrom | i can't figure out how to install the latest one |
| 23:00.29 | abrotman | is it java ? |
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| 23:00.37 | htedrom | it's in a .jar |
| 23:00.38 | mobile | abrotman may I ask again how to update the menus Sir? OR do I have to restart one last time, and then nomore? |
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| 23:00.48 | abrotman | mobile: apt-get install menu |
| 23:00.51 | htedrom | er... |
| 23:00.55 | htedrom | i mean |
| 23:00.58 | abrotman | mobile: and `update-menus` should do it |
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| 23:01.08 | htedrom | it's in a JAR, it's .tar.bz2 |
| 23:01.11 | abrotman | !tell htedrom about install java |
| 23:01.18 | abrotman | !info azureus |
| 23:01.18 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4659 kB, Installed size: 5284 kB |
| 23:01.24 | htedrom | abrotman: i have java |
| 23:01.34 | abrotman | htedrom: apt-get install azureus ? |
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| 23:01.40 | htedrom | abrotman: i have the older version. 2.2, which has a deb |
| 23:01.45 | htedrom | abrotman: there's no deb for the new one |
| 23:01.46 | mobile | abrotman I already did that Sir, and it did update,but nothing is being displayed under the menus. I am using iceWM. |
| 23:01.50 | abrotman | !info azureus sarge |
| 23:01.51 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.2.0.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4981 kB, Installed size: 5960 kB |
| 23:02.06 | abrotman | htedrom: that's the one that comes with sarge |
| 23:02.07 | PeterB | mobile: Just restart IceWM. |
| 23:02.18 | htedrom | abrotman: yea that's 2.2....the new one is 2.3 |
| 23:02.32 | abrotman | htedrom: but you're running sarge |
| 23:03.14 | mobile | PeterB Will I have to restart it after every new installed application, Sir? |
| 23:03.27 | abrotman | shouldn't have to |
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| 23:04.09 | htedrom | abrotman: er...yes...but why does that matter? |
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| 23:04.15 | vick | abrotman: I cannot paste, i don't have X windows |
| 23:04.15 | vick | abrotman: What's wrong with my debian system ? |
| 23:04.39 | beeblebrox87 | trying to set a bluetooth device, using l2ping i get "Can't connect: Permission denied" |
| 23:04.42 | PeterB | mobile: There's a config option to reread the menu files once in a while I think. |
| 23:04.50 | beeblebrox87 | s/set/setup/; |
| 23:04.52 | abrotman | vick: can you /j #flood ? |
| 23:05.06 | abrotman | htedrom: because that's the way debian/stable works |
| 23:05.20 | abrotman | vick: ? |
| 23:05.25 | htedrom | abrotman: so i can't get the new one? |
| 23:05.35 | abrotman | htedrom: why would you want the new one ? |
| 23:05.45 | abrotman | is the one ytou have broeken? |
| 23:05.47 | htedrom | abrotman: i'm having problems with this one |
| 23:05.48 | htedrom | yea |
| 23:05.53 | htedrom | i was hoping the new one would fix |
| 23:05.56 | abrotman | like what ? |
| 23:06.04 | abrotman | is azureus a gnutella app ? |
| 23:06.11 | htedrom | no, bittorrent |
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| 23:06.22 | htedrom | it just doesn't download anymore |
| 23:06.22 | abrotman | oh .. just use the regular bittoreent client |
| 23:06.28 | abrotman | !bittorrent |
| 23:06.28 | dpkg | bittorrent is, like, a tool for distributing files. It's extremely easy to use - downloads are started by clicking on hyperlinks. Whenever more than one person is downloading at once they send pieces of the file(s) to each other, thus relieving the central server's bandwidth burden. Even with many simultaneous downloads, the upload burden on the central server remains quite small, since each new downloader introduces new upload capacity. teh cool |
| 23:06.35 | abrotman | not helpful |
| 23:06.39 | abrotman | htedrom: there are many clients |
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| 23:06.46 | abrotman | !info bittornado |
| 23:06.48 | dpkg | bittornado: (bittorrent client with enhanced curses interface), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.12-2 (sid), Packaged size: 150 kB, Installed size: 836 kB |
| 23:06.50 | abrotman | see |
| 23:06.55 | htedrom | abrotman: yea, but i like azureus...it's purdy |
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| 23:07.05 | abrotman | htedrom: so use the gui from bittornado |
| 23:07.17 | htedrom | ok i'll check it out, thanks |
| 23:07.28 | green_earz | htedrom: have you check out bittornado-gui |
| 23:07.30 | abrotman | htedrom: i don't use azureus .. so i'm not sure what would be broken |
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| 23:07.42 | abrotman | vick: ? |
| 23:08.07 | green_earz | htedrom: apt-cache show bittornado-gui |
| 23:08.11 | vick | abrotman: Sure. |
| 23:08.14 | abrotman | htedrom: another option .. remove the config files for azureus from your home dir |
| 23:08.23 | braniff | back in my day, we didn't have bitorrent : ) |
| 23:08.24 | vick | abrotman: Sorry i am lagged |
| 23:08.27 | vick | i think now i'm not |
| 23:08.37 | abrotman | ok |
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| 23:08.48 | abrotman | braniff: yeah .. Gopher kicks ass! |
| 23:09.08 | htedrom | abrotman: i've got another problem too....it's more konqueror related but nobody in #kde replies |
| 23:09.09 | braniff | abrotman, hell yes it does! |
| 23:09.30 | abrotman | htedrom: might want to try #debian-kde |
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| 23:09.46 | htedrom | abrotman: every time i open up some programs...konqueror is the main one....it says MIME type not found, application/octet-stream |
| 23:09.50 | htedrom | abrotman: oh ok |
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| 23:10.08 | beeblebrox87 | hmm, since nobody here can answer my question, where should i ask? |
| 23:10.15 | abrotman | what question |
| 23:10.20 | michaeln | how come when i try and remove mozilla-browser, it tells me that it will remove gnome too? |
| 23:10.33 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: are you in the right groups ? |
| 23:10.39 | beeblebrox87 | trying to setup a bluetooth device, using l2ping i get "Can't connect: Permission denied". how do i fix that? |
| 23:10.46 | abrotman | michaeln: gnome is a metapackage .. it's not really a problem |
| 23:10.48 | beeblebrox87 | "right groups"? |
| 23:11.00 | beeblebrox87 | oh |
| 23:11.05 | beeblebrox87 | i'm running l2ping with sudo |
| 23:11.14 | abrotman | i'm not sure that matters |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | vick: still here ? |
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| 23:11.47 | vick | abrotman: Yes. |
| 23:11.48 | beeblebrox87 | get permission denied with su too |
| 23:11.56 | abrotman | vick: so you can't install anything ? |
| 23:12.07 | vick | Yes. |
| 23:12.18 | vick | i tried x-window-system and i got a list of errors |
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| 23:12.25 | abrotman | vick: try to comment out .. everything except the security and berkeley lines |
| 23:12.29 | abrotman | vick: a # is a comment |
| 23:12.31 | mobile | Why does exim4 not open the port25? |
| 23:12.53 | Vyrus001 | after i install hostap or wlanng drivers... what do i modprobe |
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| 23:12.56 | htedrom | abrotman: debian-kde is giving me the cold shoulder |
| 23:12.57 | beeblebrox87 | abrotman: any other ideas? |
| 23:13.00 | htedrom | abrotman: do you have any ideas? |
| 23:13.08 | htedrom | lol |
| 23:13.11 | abrotman | htedrom: gotta wait .. they might be eating dinner |
| 23:13.12 | htedrom | poor guy |
| 23:13.19 | htedrom | abrotman: ok |
| 23:13.21 | abrotman | beeblebrox87: that was it .. i have no bluetooth(that i know of) |
| 23:13.36 | punkass | what do i apt-get to get the kernel source |
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| 23:13.43 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel source |
| 23:13.52 | punkass | i tried that |
| 23:14.08 | Vyrus001 | punkass: apt-get install kernel-source-version |
| 23:14.14 | abrotman | so install one |
| 23:14.19 | vick | abrotman: Ok, did so. |
| 23:14.21 | Vyrus001 | punkass: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 23:14.23 | green_earz | punkass: or use aptitude to install the kernel source you want |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | vick: dpkg --forget-old-unavail;dpkg --update-avail;apt-get -f install |
| 23:14.44 | punkass | well the problem is i need the source to compile a network driver for gigabit lan |
| 23:14.46 | abrotman | err |
| 23:14.46 | abrotman | vick: |
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| 23:14.52 | abrotman | vick: dpkg --forget-old-unavail;dpkg --update-avail;apt-get update;apt-get -f install |
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| 23:14.58 | punkass | so i cant just apt-get it |
| 23:15.01 | abrotman | punkass: which nic ? |
| 23:15.20 | punkass | its a marvell |
| 23:15.28 | abrotman | ew |
| 23:15.36 | punkass | uses the sk98lin |
| 23:15.38 | punkass | lol |
| 23:15.43 | punkass | well its what i got |
| 23:15.50 | lars^ | http://students.fct.unl.pt/~cer09566/pics/blog/xfce4-desktop.png - Anybody know where to get that bg? |
| 23:15.56 | abrotman | sk98lin should be in 2.6 kernels |
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| 23:16.07 | abrotman | lars^: yes |
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| 23:16.11 | punkass | hmm..well on install it didnt pick it up |
| 23:16.36 | abrotman | lars^: digitalblasphemy.org or .com . whatever |
| 23:16.40 | lars^ | abrotman: can you gimmie url where to download it |
| 23:16.46 | green_earz | punkass: have a read of the doc for the debian way to compile a kerenl > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 23:16.52 | abrotman | !kp |
| 23:16.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 23:17.42 | lars^ | abrotman: hmm cant find it on http://www.digitalblasphemy.com |
| 23:17.53 | abrotman | lars^: i'm pretty sure that's where it came from |
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| 23:19.41 | punkass | well lspci gives me: Ethernet Controller: Marvell Technologies Group : Unknown device 4362 (rev 15) |
| 23:19.46 | vick | abrotman: The whole thing failed and yielded the old error and dpkg --update-avail gave 'dpkg --update-avail needs exactly one pakage file argument' |
| 23:19.53 | lars^ | abrotman: hmm damnit |
| 23:20.08 | abrotman | vick: what is the error ? |
| 23:20.08 | punkass | and modprobe sk8lin gives a bunch of errors, no such device etc |
| 23:20.14 | michaeln | after removing packages using synaptic, how do i update the debian menu? |
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| 23:20.38 | vick | abrotman: #flood |
| 23:21.11 | abrotman | vick: i'm there |
| 23:21.44 | Hashar | michaeln> i think it's $ update-menus |
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| 23:22.36 | PerfDave | michaeln: Or purge rather than remove the packages :) |
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| 23:23.00 | bahamat | for any courier gurus, I courier wants to pull mail from $HOME/Maildir but I want them to be in /var/mail/$USER, does anyone know how to do this? |
| 23:23.29 | michaeln | whats the difference? (im using synaptic) |
| 23:23.40 | michaeln | or how do i purge, now that i've already "removed" them |
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| 23:23.52 | abrotman | lars^: http://digitalblasphemy.com/dbgallery/2/fluorescence6.shtml |
| 23:24.10 | PerfDave | bahamat: Which bit of courier? the IMAP server? |
| 23:24.18 | s_ward | bahamat, thought about it, but /var/mail/$USER is really supposed to be a spool file, for which maildir format is not as suitable |
| 23:24.18 | Nebulous | does anyone know if the openSSH package compiled for debian has gssapi support? |
| 23:24.21 | PerfDave | michaeln: Purging removes config files such as menu entries. No idea how to purge a removed package witout reinstalling. |
| 23:24.25 | bahamat | PerfDave: pop |
| 23:24.28 | punkass | green_earz: i dont want to recompile the kernel, just build a module for it |
| 23:24.34 | PerfDave | bahamat: #courier might know :) |
| 23:24.48 | bahamat | s_ward: I understand the implications, but that's /really/ where I want it |
| 23:24.50 | PerfDave | Nebulous: How might we find out? |
| 23:24.54 | bahamat | PerfDave: they said it's impossible |
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| 23:25.15 | bahamat | PerfDave: but that's crap, because I have a server doing it right now (which I'm trying to replace) |
| 23:25.30 | PerfDave | bahamat: Did you make it clear that you were talking about POP and not IMAP? |
| 23:25.49 | lars^ | abrotman: i still need the red version :-/ |
| 23:25.54 | abrotman | bahamat: you're saying you want Maildir in /var/ ? |
| 23:25.56 | Nebulous | PerfDave: I really don't know, hehe. I'm trying to turn on kerberos support in openssh, so once I have a kerby ticket, I theoretically shouldn't have to type in my password again for sshing within the realm. I've followed all the config options which should turn this on, but no luck |
| 23:26.00 | abrotman | lars^: hey .. it's a start! |
| 23:26.03 | bahamat | abrotman: yea |
| 23:26.17 | abrotman | lars^: it's the same image .. just blue instead of red |
| 23:26.20 | PerfDave | Nebulous: gssapi stuff is mentioned in the ssh manpage... |
| 23:26.32 | bahamat | abrotman: eg, new mail for me in /var/mail/bahamat/new/* |
| 23:26.53 | Nebulous | PerfDave: ah, well I just found a ssh-krb5 package as well |
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| 23:27.03 | s | how would i go about configuring my sound to work on linux? |
| 23:27.04 | abrotman | i know what you mean .. and afaik .. it's not possible .. why not just use a ln -s .. and put it there |
| 23:27.21 | bahamat | I tried setting MAILDIR=/var/mail/$AUTHENTICATED/ in /etc/default/courier, but it doesn't know what $AUTHENTICATED is |
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| 23:27.32 | mobile | Why does running exim4 not open the smtp port? |
| 23:27.38 | bahamat | I also tried $LOGNAME, but then it all went to /var/mail/root/ |
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| 23:28.49 | abrotman | lars^: it might have been a members only image |
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| 23:29.34 | abrotman | lars^: http://images.google.com/images?q=Fluorescence&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images |
| 23:29.34 | d | question: should I compile mplayer myself or apt-get it from that closed source deb? |
| 23:29.49 | bahamat | abrotman: because all of my users live only in ldap, and they all share a single home directory |
| 23:29.49 | abrotman | apt-get |
| 23:29.52 | abrotman | d |
| 23:30.01 | abrotman | bahamat: that's evil :) |
| 23:30.09 | d | abrotman: apt-get the 386 one? |
| 23:30.15 | abrotman | d: depends on your CPU |
| 23:30.16 | bahamat | abrotman: this is a system I inherited from a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away |
| 23:30.20 | d | its a 686 |
| 23:30.23 | jane | hi all. why run /etc/init.d/networking restart , have a message "Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCSIFADDR: File exists" |
| 23:30.24 | abrotman | bahamat: no way to plug courier into ldap ? |
| 23:30.31 | bahamat | abrotman: any idiocy that has been done affects many other systems |
| 23:30.32 | Maliuta | abrotman: no evil is making the homedir /tmp and cleaning it every 15 minutes :) |
| 23:30.32 | d | abrotman: but the kernel says 386 |
| 23:30.43 | bahamat | abrotman: because authldap can't speak ldaps :-( |
| 23:30.56 | s_ward | jane, tried stopping, and then starting networking? |
| 23:31.06 | green_earz | punkass: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/hardware.html |
| 23:31.12 | abrotman | bahamat: jeez .. you're all kinds of fucked :) |
| 23:31.18 | bahamat | abrotman: yes, I am |
| 23:31.20 | abrotman | d: uname -a |
| 23:31.31 | bahamat | abrotman: but if I could tell courier "do what I say" then it would work |
| 23:31.37 | abrotman | bahamat: there are many other pop3d |
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| 23:31.41 | jane | s_ward, /etc/init.d/networking stop;/etc/init.d/networking start, have "Configuring network interfaces...SIOCSIFADDR: File exists" |
| 23:31.51 | d | Linux diablo 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:31.51 | d | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.56 | bahamat | abrotman: the reason I choose to run UNIX in the first place is because I can tell things to do what I want, regardless of what the program thinks is best |
| 23:31.57 | s_ward | jane if it still happens, then you might need to do a bit of manual cleaning up, for example: ifconfig eth0 down |
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| 23:32.05 | bahamat | abrotman: I don't need courier second guessing me |
| 23:32.07 | abrotman | d: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 23:32.11 | jane | s_ward, my interfaces have dual stack(ipv4/ipv6) configuration |
| 23:32.27 | bahamat | abrotman: yes, but I already have about 20G of maildirs that I'm not excited about porting to a different daemon |
| 23:32.33 | abrotman | bahamat: no .. i'm not sure it's AT ALL possible to have courier do that .. as in . it's hardcoded in .. have you read the docs at courier-mta.org ? |
| 23:32.48 | bahamat | abrotman: I investigated cyrus, but cyrus requires the imap portion in order to administer users |
| 23:33.04 | bahamat | abrotman: but I already have a server that's doing it |
| 23:33.09 | abrotman | cyrus blows |
| 23:33.13 | s_ward | jane, shouldn't be too much of a problem, mine are too :) |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | bahamat: apt-cache search pop3 |
| 23:33.20 | abrotman | err pop3d |
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| 23:33.49 | d | thx abrot |
| 23:34.00 | bahamat | abrotman: nothing good comes up :-( |
| 23:34.08 | abrotman | dovecot ? |
| 23:34.49 | bahamat | abrotman: I already have a different server running dovecot with less than .05% of the users that is buckling under the load |
| 23:34.54 | d | abrotman: i have to reboot for changes to take effect? |
| 23:34.54 | bobb | how do i find out what type of sound card i have? |
| 23:34.59 | abrotman | d: yes .. |
| 23:35.04 | bahamat | abrotman: in fact, i'm working to migrate the dovecot server to something else |
| 23:35.10 | d | <-- newb :D |
| 23:35.13 | s_ward | bobb: find it in lspci output, possibly |
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| 23:35.34 | abrotman | bahamat: i really don't think it's a config option to have courier use another dir ... |
| 23:35.41 | bobb | s_ward: im a real newb, what is lspci output? |
| 23:35.55 | abrotman | bahamat: what if you just create a crap dir ... /home/user/Maildir .. and link it ? |
| 23:36.01 | Warp4 | hi all, installed leafnode and got everything set up. now my problems is just getting the thing to start running. do i need to run a command to enable it in inetd? |
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| 23:36.02 | abrotman | !lspci |
| 23:36.02 | dpkg | somebody said lspci was a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or better. In the pciutils package, or see pciids |
| 23:36.18 | s_ward | bobb, in the terminal, type: lspci |
| 23:36.23 | abrotman | vick: ? |
| 23:36.29 | bobb | wonderful thanks alot s_ward |
| 23:36.33 | bahamat | abrotman: /etc/default/courier has a MAILDIR variable, I just can't get it to recognize the users's name |
| 23:36.42 | abrotman | right ... |
| 23:36.43 | bahamat | abrotman: I can't link it because everyone shares a home directory |
| 23:36.56 | s_ward | bobb, you'll get a a listing of your PCI devices, just like dpkg said |
| 23:37.01 | abrotman | bahamat: wait .. you actually set thier homedir with ldap ? |
| 23:37.02 | bobb | Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 there it is :D |
| 23:37.08 | bahamat | abrotman: yes |
| 23:37.12 | mobile | How can I open port25 on exim4? |
| 23:37.20 | bahamat | abrotman: but it's not an option to give everyone a different home dir |
| 23:37.21 | s_ward | bobb, you should be in luck, that's a popular card :) |
| 23:37.23 | abrotman | bahamat: and you purposely set them to all the same ? |
| 23:37.31 | bahamat | abrotman: I didn't set up the system |
| 23:37.37 | abrotman | bahamat: are you trying to replicate win95 ? :) |
| 23:37.44 | green_earz | bahamat: you tell courier where to have its mail path from the mta in postfix > virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail : for virtual accounts so would be simuarl thing for system accounts ? |
| 23:37.45 | bahamat | abrotman: there's a reason for it, and under the circumstances it makes sense |
| 23:37.48 | Warp4 | mobile port 25 is open by default on exim |
| 23:37.49 | bobb | s_ward: GOOD. i need to listen to music! now time to go google this up :D |
| 23:38.00 | abrotman | bahamat: can you .. give a var to ldap to tell it your mail is somewhere else ? |
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| 23:38.19 | abrotman | wait .. that doesn't fix courier .. fuck shit damn |
| 23:38.26 | bahamat | abrotman: courier authenticates off of pam, which in turn looks to ldap |
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| 23:38.50 | s_ward | bobb, happy searching, though one thing that catches people out is the volume being muted -- use alsamixer to change it (gnome-alsamixer is a nice graphical version) |
| 23:39.37 | mobile | Warp4 it shows closed here |
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| 23:40.24 | s_ward | mobile, is exim running? Does it show up in the output of `netstat -tanp`? |
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| 23:40.43 | bobb | s_ward: thanks for the tip. knowing how things are going now, im sure ill need to know that later :D |
| 23:41.23 | bobb | s_ward: is there any chance debian already detected my sound card and whatnot? |
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| 23:42.05 | mobile | s_ward tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 13641/exim4 |
| 23:42.21 | D13GU__ | hi all! |
| 23:42.27 | s_ward | bobb, if it's there, it should have -- try looking in dmesg to find out -- dmesg | less |
| 23:42.46 | s_ward | mobile, then it's running on the SMTP port, on your local loopback interface |
| 23:42.55 | s_ward | mobile, dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
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| 23:42.56 | D13GU__ | how to set permission on buttons of gnome desktop? |
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| 23:43.04 | abrotman | vick: ? |
| 23:43.16 | D13GU__ | install postfix |
| 23:43.34 | abrotman | lars^: better yet http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=Fluorescence+xthumb&btnG=Search |
| 23:44.11 | D13GU__ | somebody know? |
| 23:44.50 | s_ward | bobb, also useful is to see if the necessary kernel module is loaded: lsmod | grep emu10k1 |
| 23:45.25 | s_ward | (assuming one of the Debian packaged kernels) |
| 23:45.39 | abrotman | set button permission ? |
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| 23:46.41 | Warp4 | mobile that is because its not even running |
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| 23:46.52 | mobile | what is not running warp4? |
| 23:46.53 | Warp4 | mobile i just need to figure out how to enable it. |
| 23:46.57 | Warp4 | mobile leafnode |
| 23:46.57 | D13GU__ | abrotman, for exemple, the link > system configuration, not to permit click for user "x"... |
| 23:47.10 | abrotman | link ? |
| 23:47.10 | mobile | leafnode? |
| 23:47.14 | Warp4 | nntp server |
| 23:47.35 | D13GU__ | abrotman, sorry, button menu |
| 23:47.47 | abrotman | yes .. but i'm not sure which part of the menu |
| 23:48.24 | mobile | Warp what about nntp server? |
| 23:48.24 | D13GU__ | :( |
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| 23:48.53 | Warp4 | mobile i am trying to get leafnode to run. |
| 23:48.59 | Warp4 | it is installed but not running |
| 23:49.08 | ifvoid | Warp4: doesn't it run from inetd? |
| 23:49.21 | Warp4 | yes i i think you have to tell inetd to enable it though |
| 23:49.27 | Warp4 | inet.d leafnode enable |
| 23:49.31 | Warp4 | or something like that. |
| 23:49.47 | abrotman | D13GU__: you're being vague |
| 23:49.48 | ifvoid | is it listed in /etc/inetd.conf? |
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| 23:49.59 | D13GU__ | abrotman, the users is bad :) |
| 23:50.03 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 23:50.07 | s_ward | jane, any luck with your networking? |
| 23:50.08 | abrotman | !pt |
| 23:50.08 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:50.29 | D13GU__ | :) |
| 23:50.39 | D13GU__ | obrigado |
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| 23:53.36 | mobile | Warp4 if You don't find solution for exim4, I will remove it and install PostFix. |
| 23:54.13 | D13GU__ | mobile good ideia |
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| 23:54.27 | Warp4 | mobile install postfix |
| 23:54.46 | abrotman | yes .. postfix! |
| 23:54.51 | Warp4 | ifvoid hmm don't see leafnode listed in my inetd.conf :( |
| 23:54.52 | D13GU__ | how to use dpkg for unistall? |
| 23:54.53 | abrotman | it's like a hot woman . but won't let you down |
| 23:55.11 | mobile | abrotman I'm glad you agree Sir! |
| 23:55.18 | ifvoid | Warp4: and there's also not a /etc/init.d/leafnode? |
| 23:55.18 | Nebulous | SimonRaven: are you around by any chance? |
| 23:55.46 | s_ward | mobile, by all means, go and use postfix, though `dpkg-reconfigure exim4` should allow you to configure it to listen on public interfaces |
| 23:56.19 | aeronadix | how do you configure exim4 for using gmail as a smarthost for outgoing mail, anyone done this before? |
| 23:56.53 | mobile | I will try once more s_ward and if I don't succeed, will migrate to PostFix. |
| 23:56.59 | bobb | how can i get windows font package on debian? |
| 23:57.08 | abrotman | !ttf |
| 23:57.08 | dpkg | ttf is probably the extension of a True Type Font, checkout freetype or ask me about truetype for location of debian howto. for truetype font support with XF4 ask me about ttf xf4, or see <msttcorefonts>, or see <bobfont> |
| 23:57.11 | Kraig | s_ward sounds like susan ward :) |
| 23:57.12 | ifvoid | bobb: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 23:57.15 | Warp4 | ifvoid yes to the second question |
| 23:57.29 | ifvoid | Warp4: so, /etc/init.d/leafnode start |
| 23:57.30 | Warp4 | ifvoid added the file ot my inetd.conf file |
| 23:57.31 | ifvoid | should work |
| 23:57.35 | bobb | Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 23:57.35 | bobb | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 23:57.35 | bobb | is only available from another source |
| 23:57.35 | bobb | E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate |
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| 23:57.40 | ifvoid | Warp4: what? |
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| 23:57.57 | D13GU__ | abrotman and where i install windows fonts? |
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| 23:58.05 | Warp4 | uhura:/etc# /etc/init.d/leafnode start |
| 23:58.06 | Warp4 | 200 Leafnode NNTP Daemon, version 1.11.3.rel running at uhura.wolfe.mine.nu (my fqdn: uhura.wolfe.mine.nu) |
| 23:58.07 | s_ward | Kraig, Simon :) |
| 23:58.21 | s_ward | See my WHOIS info |
| 23:58.44 | Warp4 | ah |
| 23:58.45 | Kraig | ouch, very sorry s_ward |
| 23:58.46 | Kraig | i'm off |
| 23:58.46 | Warp4 | there we go :) |
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| 23:58.50 | D13GU__ | abrotman directory ? |
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| 23:58.56 | mobile | s_ward I hope you mean dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 23:58.57 | Warp4 | had to have inetd reload the config file :) |
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| 23:59.38 | s_ward | mobile, that's correct |
| 23:59.48 | mhall | Greetings, can anybody please explain the meaning of this definition from the stat structure C library spec: st_ctime time of last status change |
| 23:59.50 | s_ward | oh, wait, |
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| 23:59.54 | s_ward | err, yes |
| 23:59.57 | mhall | What is the last status change? |
