| 00:00.14 | mhall | I do not see that they define what constitutes the status of a file changing. |
| 00:00.23 | mobile | s_ward I did manage to get it working |
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| 00:00.40 | ifvoid | mhall: see stat(2) |
| 00:00.43 | bahamat | abrotman: I did it, but I feel dirty :-( |
| 00:00.50 | peterS | mhall: ctime is "inode change time" - when did the inode last change |
| 00:00.55 | mobile | the screen where it asks for IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections: |
| 00:01.04 | mobile | you can leave that blank |
| 00:01.10 | s_ward | mobile, good, I knew it was there somewhere :) |
| 00:01.13 | peterS | mhall: link count changed, other timestamps updated, chown/chgrp, chmod |
| 00:01.15 | mhall | peterS: ok. then what do I need to get the creation time of a file? |
| 00:01.18 | abrotman | bahamat: why is that ? |
| 00:01.27 | mhall | peterS: i don't see a struct member for it |
| 00:01.28 | ifvoid | mhall: stat |
| 00:01.28 | peterS | mhall: creation time does not exist. closest thing is mtime, last modification time |
| 00:01.38 | Warp4 | ok fetchnews is pulling in articles now :) |
| 00:01.39 | bahamat | abrotman: I made a wrapper for /usr/lib/courier/courier/courierpop3d |
| 00:01.43 | mhall | peterS: I suspected as much. |
| 00:01.58 | mhall | ifvoid: Right, I had the stat part, but I couldn't find an appropriate struct member. |
| 00:02.04 | peterS | mhall: the usefulness of ctime is that you can't manually override it, like you can mtime and atime. ctime is always honest. |
| 00:02.18 | bahamat | abrotman: created a divert, then the wrapper does export MAILDIR=/var/mail/$AUTHENTICATED/, then executes the diversion |
| 00:02.44 | mhall | peterS: Yeah that's a good point. |
| 00:03.07 | mhall | peterS: Now let's say I have a dir full of files and I want to ignore all of them older than some epoch time. |
| 00:03.13 | abrotman | ewww |
| 00:03.28 | mhall | peterS: which field would you use in the code if creation time is not available |
| 00:03.31 | bahamat | abrotman: yes...must go bathe in kerosene |
| 00:03.36 | peterS | mhall: normally mtime |
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| 00:03.49 | mhall | peterS: ok |
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| 00:04.05 | marioly | p.cl |
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| 00:04.58 | mhall | peterS: now, does ctime pay attention to changes to mtime and atime? you said it did "link count changed, other timestamps updated, chown/chgrp, chmod" but then that it didn't "the usefulness of ctime is that you can't manually override it" |
| 00:05.00 | peterS | mhall: one thing to note about atime - "time a file was last accessed" - is that since it generates an update to the disk every time you read a file, it is often disabled, with a "noatime" mount option. so you can't really rely on it |
| 00:05.50 | peterS | mhall: I think ctime gets set to current time when you call utime() to set atime and/or mtime |
| 00:06.26 | mhall | peterS: right, i've seen this atime thing disabled before |
| 00:07.00 | peterS | mhall: right, updating file atimes is a lot of overhead with very little usefulness. I use 'noatime' myself. |
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| 00:07.55 | d | where can I get gtreads 2.0? |
| 00:08.28 | d | checking for gtk+-2.0... configure: WARNING: *** Running in X mode - Limited Features *** |
| 00:08.28 | d | checking for gthread-2.0... configure: error: Missing gthread package |
| 00:08.59 | peterS | d: I think it's part of glib, so get the -dev package for that |
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| 00:09.26 | peterS | d: as an aside, it sounds like you're missing libgtk2.0-dev as well |
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| 00:10.07 | d | yea, i dont have libgtk |
| 00:10.13 | daesotho | k so xdm runs .xsession, which being a /bin/sh script sources .bashrc, which sets the PATH |
| 00:10.17 | d | and searching fot apt-get package for glib |
| 00:10.22 | daesotho | and then fluxbox knows the PATH |
| 00:10.34 | peterS | d: right, libglib2.0-dev |
| 00:11.05 | d | peterS: thx |
| 00:11.07 | mhall | peterS: i'm not even sure i see the point of atime |
| 00:11.10 | d | that fixed it |
| 00:11.14 | mhall | peterS: checking atime changes the atime |
| 00:11.19 | mhall | peterS: why have it at all? |
| 00:11.32 | peterS | mhall: no, checking times is just a stat call, which doesn't change atime. you have to open the file to change the atime |
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| 00:12.16 | mhall | peterS: ah, ok |
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| 00:12.30 | punkass | is there a way to rerun the network configuration utility |
| 00:12.32 | mhall | peterS: that's better then, but still relatively pointless |
| 00:12.48 | abrotman | punkass: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:12.53 | mhall | peterS: i guess you could use it for doing offline storage or tape robotting |
| 00:13.00 | punkass | thanks |
| 00:13.04 | peterS | mhall: yes, exactly. that sort of thing. |
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| 00:13.39 | mhall | peterS: or annoying users who do not delete crap |
| 00:13.45 | rpmx | hi |
| 00:13.50 | peterS | mhall: the debian package 'popularity-contest' uses atime to determine which of the packages you have installed you ever actually use |
| 00:14.00 | mhall | ah, neat idea |
| 00:14.08 | mhall | peterS: but does it check for noatime |
| 00:14.15 | Nebulous | okay, I think I found another bug or broken package in testing :| |
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| 00:14.20 | rpmx | I loss IP of one wireless access point , but I have MAC address |
| 00:14.23 | peterS | mhall: oh, I don't know. it could just report incorrect usage data for me |
| 00:14.31 | rpmx | How I find ip ? |
| 00:14.33 | mhall | peterS: and a lot of other power users |
| 00:14.39 | peterS | yeah |
| 00:14.44 | aeronadix | I fugred it out! woohoo! It seems in the passwd.client file instead of smtp.gmail.com you ust use * for some reason |
| 00:14.50 | Nebulous | kerberos isn't being good to me |
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| 00:15.04 | mhall | rpmx: well ping every ip address on the subnet with the nmap -sP 192.168.0.1-254 command |
| 00:15.14 | rpmx | access point this in another class |
| 00:15.27 | Nebulous | the mit package is completely fubard, and the heimdal one is partially fubard :( |
| 00:15.29 | rpmx | I unknow another class |
| 00:15.32 | mfrisch | What is the "normal" bitrate for flac?? |
| 00:15.34 | mhall | rpmx: then check your arp cache with arp -a |
| 00:15.49 | mhall | rpmx: and then grep arp -a for the AP's MAC |
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| 00:16.15 | punkass | abrotman: is there not just a dpkg-reconfigure networking or something...or does that just write iface eth0 inet dhcp etc to the correct spots? |
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| 00:16.35 | bobb | http://pastebin.com/327991 |
| 00:16.37 | peterS | punkass: etherconf, I believe it is called |
| 00:16.50 | punkass | ah ok thanks |
| 00:16.55 | benjamindees | mfrisch, 150 kilobytes/sec |
| 00:17.01 | peterS | punkass: and yes, it does just write to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:17.06 | abrotman | what kind of stupid site gives you a numerical loginID .. then doesn't include it in the registration email .. BAH! |
| 00:17.10 | d | !!!!!!!!!! - took me two days but i finally got mplayer plugin to work in firefox |
| 00:17.11 | abrotman | punkass: etherconf |
| 00:17.14 | mhall | abrotman: lol |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | no really .. |
| 00:17.24 | benjamindees | mfrisch, 1200 kilobits/sec (that's a cd) |
| 00:17.27 | d | http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=47300&type=1&page=1# |
| 00:17.31 | abrotman | that's just fucking stupid .. and it's like .. 10 digits |
| 00:17.34 | mfrisch | benjamindees it is...whats 800 |
| 00:17.35 | mhall | abrotman: it's just funny they are so dumb |
| 00:17.36 | aeronadix | when I sent email using exim and gmail as smarthost, it show my Linux shell username and password <gmail-username@gmail.com>, how can I remove this? |
| 00:17.50 | abrotman | and .. they give you no way to get that ID .. FFS |
| 00:18.05 | peterS | aeronadix: exim sends your password to gmail? |
| 00:18.22 | benjamindees | mfrisch, dunno, compressed maybe? |
| 00:18.25 | mfrisch | benjamindees 1200 is cd quality. Cool :) |
| 00:18.28 | bobb | http://pastebin.com/327991 |
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| 00:18.35 | bobb | anyone know why i get that error from alsa? |
| 00:18.40 | billatq | aeronadix: That's probably to prevent spammers. I doubt you can change it |
| 00:18.49 | aeronadix | peterS, no it just shows in the FROM field, my shell login and password like this : username password <gmail-name@gmail.com> |
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| 00:18.59 | aeronadix | billatq, you can change it |
| 00:19.32 | mfrisch | benjamindees there is no point in above 1200 kbits right? |
| 00:19.32 | aeronadix | billatq, I set it up that way some how, I can't remember how I did that |
| 00:19.53 | benjamindees | mfrisch, not really |
| 00:20.15 | mfrisch | benjamindees THANKS |
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| 00:20.40 | punkass | well i updated to the 2.6.11 kernel and now sk98lin module loads fine...but i cant seem to get an ip from the router..dhcp just expires |
| 00:20.44 | billatq | I have my doubts, but with no evidence to the contrary, I can't really argue :) |
| 00:21.02 | punkass | is there any tricks to check if the card is functioning correctly |
| 00:21.14 | punkass | to see if its actually using the sk98lin module |
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| 00:22.52 | lildude | what is apt get comand for kde |
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| 00:23.44 | FlyingSquirrel32 | What's the advantages of debian over ubuntu, or visa versa? |
| 00:23.58 | LordThundering | moin. Did anybody expierence weird cups problems after a recent update? |
| 00:24.02 | s_ward | lildude, do you mean graphical package manager? |
| 00:24.07 | lildude | yes |
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| 00:24.43 | LordThundering | cups lost its devices at my workstation.. very annoying (so, if doing lpinfo -v i only see smb printer, not lp0 etc) |
| 00:25.02 | s_ward | I'm not a KDE user, but a quick search reveals ksynaptic and kpackage |
| 00:25.42 | TypoNAM | anybody know how to get the debian installer to boot from the CD when I am using a PCI EIDE controller card (IDE4-7) while the CD-Drive is on IDE5, using minimum ISO, it does have a floppy drive. I just have an old machine using an outdated BIOS that doesn't know how to boot CD-Drives first before HDDs on PCI card controllers, only onboard (which is currently foobared) |
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| 00:26.16 | punkass | is this bad, or just a warning: eth0:unknown hardware address type 24 |
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| 00:28.21 | punkass | peterS: is this bad, or just a warning: eth0:unknown hardware address type 24 ? |
| 00:28.31 | peterS | punkass: no idea |
| 00:28.39 | bbb_ | there a quickie for ogg->mp3 ? |
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| 00:28.50 | mhall | punkass: does the network work? |
| 00:29.01 | bbb_ | i have to for this dam network device.. |
| 00:29.04 | punkass | ok...it just shows up just before it does the DHCP Discover |
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| 00:29.21 | punkass | mhall: no it doesnt |
| 00:29.27 | mhall | punkass: usually it comes up when you have ipv6 enabled kernelwise but no ipv6 configured on your ethernet interface |
| 00:29.36 | mhall | punkass: some of my boxes do it but still work |
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| 00:30.01 | punkass | mhall: ah..ok yeah mine says that, does the dhcp discover, but then gets no ip address |
| 00:30.21 | mhall | punkass: do other boxes get an ip |
| 00:30.25 | punkass | yeah |
| 00:30.30 | mhall | punkass: and, from what are you doing the discover |
| 00:30.40 | mhall | punkass: also is it your network? |
| 00:30.53 | mhall | punkass: if so see what happens if you hard code a valid unused ip |
| 00:31.04 | punkass | mhall: i have tried: ifup eth0, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:31.09 | punkass | yes its an internal lan |
| 00:31.29 | mhall | punkass: ok give yourself an address by hand |
| 00:31.32 | punkass | mhall...ill give that static ip a shot |
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| 00:31.38 | mhall | punkass: ifconfig eth0 up a.b.c.d |
| 00:31.45 | doubletwist | Offtopic. Anyone here an actual sysadmin that works on fairly large/complicated systems? [ie. E10000 type stuff]? |
| 00:31.47 | mhall | punkass: then ping some crap real quick |
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| 00:32.00 | mhall | punkass: i figure we ought to try easiest way first |
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| 00:32.02 | billatq | doubletwist: I'm an actual sysadmin, but I don't work on gigantic systems |
| 00:32.09 | mhall | !tell doubletwist about ask |
| 00:32.24 | FlyingSquirrel32 | What's the advantages of debian over ubuntu, or visa versa? |
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| 00:32.47 | doubletwist | billatq What type of systems do you admin? |
| 00:33.01 | mhall | FlyingSquirrel32: never did try ubuntu but heard install was easier from a professor |
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| 00:33.18 | billatq | Mostly your commodity HP servers |
| 00:33.20 | punkass | mhall: nothing...everything is Destiation Unreachable |
| 00:33.30 | mhall | punkass: hmm entertaining |
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| 00:33.36 | doubletwist | mhall the install system is the same, Ubuntu just installs and configures more stuff from the get-go. |
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| 00:33.47 | pipeline | mhall, FlyingSquirrel32 : Ubuntu uses the regular Debian installer. It just has fewer options listed. If you used the Debian installer, read nothing, and just hit enter the whole time, you would have the same end result. |
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| 00:34.07 | punkass | mhall: its some Marvell gigabit lan chip, its supposed to use the sk98lin module |
| 00:34.09 | pipeline | FlyingSquirrel32: A major advantage to Debian is that all packages receive bug fixes and support for three to five years. |
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| 00:34.24 | pipeline | FlyingSquirrel32: With Ubuntu, the core system gets 18 months of fixes, and the bulk of the packages only get six months. |
| 00:34.26 | doubletwist | billatq Hmm. I've admined for awhile. Some windows, linux and solaris, but the biggest 'iron' I've worked on is an E250. I want to see where I need to head my career to get into the big-iron stuff. |
| 00:34.28 | punkass | mhall: so i did a modprobe sk98lin and it loaded it fine |
| 00:34.33 | mhall | punkass: maybe check 'route print' for bogus stuff |
| 00:34.41 | doubletwist | Need to find someone who works on it that I can pester with questions. :) |
| 00:34.47 | mhall | punkass: also check dmesg | tail -50 for module's seuccessful detection of card |
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| 00:35.02 | mhall | punkass: shift-pgup if that scrolls off the screen |
| 00:35.12 | billatq | doubletwist: SAGE (The systems administrator's guild, or whatever they're calling it now) has a nice job bot |
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| 00:35.15 | aeronadix | how do I reconfigure mutt? |
| 00:35.18 | pipeline | doubletwist: Why not buy a low-end Sun Enterprise system and fuck with it yourself? |
| 00:35.24 | billatq | Apparently google, for instance, is looking for sysadmins |
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| 00:36.06 | doubletwist | pipeline : Heh, at this point I cant even afford that. But I'm keeping my eye on ebay. |
| 00:36.16 | aeronadix | billatq, whats the job bot you mentioned? |
| 00:36.17 | pipeline | doubletwist: You can get an E6500 for less than 5,000 with a warranty from anystem.com :P |
| 00:36.37 | dweekly | if i'm looking for a good debian laptop, anyone got recs? |
| 00:36.40 | billatq | aeronadix: Is this nifty little thing that's a benefit of SAGE |
| 00:36.40 | doubletwist | pipeline Not bad. That's more than my last car cost though. hehe |
| 00:36.42 | abrotman | doubletwist: anysystem.com |
| 00:36.43 | billatq | http://www.sage.org |
| 00:36.47 | billatq | IIRC |
| 00:36.49 | doubletwist | I'll check that out though.t |
| 00:36.51 | doubletwist | though |
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| 00:36.53 | TypoNAM | there is a linux bootdisk that can boot a CD from a CD-Drive? |
| 00:36.56 | abrotman | pipeline: you have to spell it right first :) |
| 00:36.57 | aeronadix | billatq, thx |
| 00:36.57 | TypoNAM | is there rather |
| 00:36.59 | billatq | Might be sage.usenix.org |
| 00:37.07 | mhall | doubletwist: S10 is free |
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| 00:37.18 | mhall | doubletwist: could run that for a while |
| 00:37.27 | pipeline | doubletwist: E4500s are cheaper, but I don't think they qualify as "Big" iron :P |
| 00:37.39 | abrotman | doubletwist: my old boss gave me an E10k.. it's just sitting in my garage |
| 00:37.56 | mhall | doubletwist: other thing, at least at my company we cannot get enough workers |
| 00:38.00 | doubletwist | abrotman : then you officially suck. :) I couldn't afford the electricity probably. hehe |
| 00:38.07 | doubletwist | mhall Don't suppose you're in the DFW area.. |
| 00:38.08 | mhall | doubletwist: so maybe just get hired to a place that does this stuff |
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| 00:38.23 | mhall | doubletwist: well we have a huge sys admin presence in Southlake TX |
| 00:38.37 | doubletwist | hrm... |
| 00:38.53 | punkass | mhall: dmesg doesnt seem to show anything about it |
| 00:39.00 | mhall | doubletwist: 30 miles out according to google maps |
| 00:39.11 | punkass | mhall: tried to unload the module then reload it..and looked again but nothing shows up |
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| 00:39.19 | mhall | punkass: normally card modules will print a success / fail message |
| 00:39.22 | mhall | punkass: weird |
| 00:39.24 | LordThundering | hmm.. any cups ass here? |
| 00:39.26 | punkass | yeah |
| 00:39.33 | LordThundering | sorry for that.. stupid german.. |
| 00:39.35 | mhall | punkass: can you check its mac address in ifconfig |
| 00:39.39 | doubletwist | Hmm... I could commute to Southlake. [I'm in South Arlington] |
| 00:39.41 | mhall | punkass: and see if it is right |
| 00:39.43 | LordThundering | pro would be the better word.. |
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| 00:40.05 | benjamindees | mhall, EDS I suppose? |
| 00:40.10 | doubletwist | mhall: Do they need jr/intermediate level sysadmins? And what type of business is it? |
| 00:40.22 | mhall | doubletwist: telecommunications / fortune ??? |
| 00:40.29 | punkass | mhall: what would i compare it too? |
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| 00:40.37 | mhall | doubletwist: take a look at verizonwireless.com and see what kind of jobs there are |
| 00:40.44 | doubletwist | heh |
| 00:40.49 | doubletwist | Will do. |
| 00:40.51 | abrotman | mhall: you're responsible for that crap? :) |
| 00:41.03 | mhall | punkass: sometimes they put a mac label on the card |
| 00:41.13 | abrotman | or wait . is that AT&T .... |
| 00:41.15 | mhall | punkass: usually a barcode with hex digits printed above / below |
| 00:41.23 | punkass | ah...well its an onboard chip so ill check |
| 00:41.28 | mhall | abrotman: er, well, even worse, i'm responsible for billing for it |
| 00:41.44 | mhall | punkass: there is generally a sticker on the board somewhere or on the mobo box |
| 00:41.49 | Xytek187 | how can i completely remove a package, if i want to remove gnome, would it be dpkg --remove gnome ? |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | mhall: oh .. does your house get firebombed ? |
| 00:42.10 | mhall | punkass: just for for 00:00:00:00:00 in hex someplace |
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| 00:42.25 | mhall | punkass: i notice that usually when there is a driver prob, the mac addr is wrong |
| 00:42.34 | mhall | abrotman: er? |
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| 00:42.54 | mhall | doubletwist: but anyhow, we generally lists the jobs inside for a while |
| 00:43.06 | doubletwist | mhall are you a sysadmin or do you do something else and just know they need admins? |
| 00:43.06 | mhall | doubletwist: and if nobody applies in a week or two it gets put up there |
| 00:43.11 | doubletwist | right |
| 00:43.14 | mhall | doubletwist: i'm a unix developer |
| 00:43.16 | abrotman | mhall: or is verizonwireless billing better than verizon billing ? |
| 00:43.40 | mhall | doubletwist: i know that good admins are in demand, also we are on the list of 100 best companies for it workers |
| 00:43.42 | d | question: i went through apps - system tools - GConf editior, went to gnome-sessions and edited my splash screen LOC to the .png I want to use, BUT, it does not load! |
| 00:43.59 | mhall | doubletwist: 6% pay match on retirement acct, annual bonus checks / shares |
| 00:44.09 | mhall | doubletwist: and free $ for college courses |
| 00:44.15 | mhall | doubletwist: 8000 per year right now |
| 00:44.23 | mhall | doubletwist: plus insurance and such |
| 00:44.25 | punkass | mhall: yeah its 00:11:D8:00:00:3A:3B:09:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 00:44.30 | doubletwist | mhall The reason I ask all this is because I never got a degree [I'm 31]. I'm probably going to start school this fall, but I'm not sure what I should focus on. I was thinking of CS, but I'm afraid the devel jobs will all be outsourced by the time I get out there. And most of my experience is with hardware and sysadmin. |
| 00:44.33 | punkass | mhall: cant find it on the MB tho |
| 00:44.35 | mhall | punkass: hmm |
| 00:44.56 | mhall | doubletwist: well see if you can get into a place like verizon that's big at the technician level |
| 00:45.09 | mhall | doubletwist: many of these places pay for school |
| 00:45.24 | punkass | mhall: and ifconfig also shows: Link encap: UNSPEC |
| 00:45.28 | mhall | doubletwist: also if you get enrolled in school you can get an internship position at $15 per hour |
| 00:45.37 | punkass | mhall: i dont remember every seeing that one before |
| 00:45.38 | mhall | punkass: and you said it's a gigabit card |
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| 00:45.48 | doubletwist | Damn, that's almost what I make now. Do they do full time internships? |
| 00:45.54 | punkass | mhall: ya a Marvell |
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| 00:46.24 | mhall | punkass: there is an issue |
| 00:46.27 | mhall | doubletwist: yeah i have one |
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| 00:46.36 | punkass | mhall: its on a Asus P5GDC-V motherboard |
| 00:46.39 | mhall | doubletwist: in billing software development in washington |
| 00:46.44 | punkass | mhall: an issue? |
| 00:46.47 | mhall | doubletwist: state, not dc |
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| 00:46.59 | morphiushacker | is anyone good with init scripts? I am having trouble with pure-ftpd. |
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| 00:47.24 | abrotman | morphiushacker: just ask |
| 00:47.25 | mhall | doubletwist: of course it's better to get hired full time because there are more benefits |
| 00:47.44 | mhall | doubletwist: but it you do well you are likely to get hired. the intern i replaced got hired |
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| 00:48.10 | mhall | doubletwist: i would possibly get hired too if not for the fact i have another year of class i need to go do back in california |
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| 00:48.24 | doubletwist | Yeah don't think I could do $15/hr anyway. I do have a wife and baby to take care of. hehe. But I will keep checking their job postings and see what I can do. |
| 00:48.39 | zwack | dependency link broken on zlib1g-dev |
| 00:48.40 | mhall | doubletwist: yeah those would pay maybe 40-50 k or so |
| 00:48.45 | doubletwist | I still don't know what to do for school though. There isn't really a sysadmin/network admin degree from most schools, esp around here. |
| 00:48.51 | mhall | doubletwist: as opposed to the 30 k you get from an hourly deal |
| 00:48.54 | morphiushacker | ok, so short story long, I need to enable virtual users. I can't have that feature enabled without a switch when starting the program. This means that currently I have to manually stop the Daemon and then re-start it with a switch. I want to edit my startup script to pass this command to the program. |
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| 00:49.11 | mhall | doubletwist: you could go with comp sci, info systems, really anything |
| 00:49.18 | zwack | should install with zlib 1:1.2.2-4.sarge.2 but says that it needs zlib1:1.2.2-4 |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | morphiushacker: is it your own script ? |
| 00:49.26 | mhall | doubletwist: once you have the years of experience you have at 31, the field does not matter a lot |
| 00:49.34 | morphiushacker | no, it installs with apt. |
| 00:49.42 | SimonRaven | morphiushacker: no. it uses files in /etc/pure-ftpd/conf. as per the docs |
| 00:49.44 | zwack | no i mean apt won't install it |
| 00:49.53 | zwack | says it needs the stable version ofzlib |
| 00:49.53 | mhall | doubletwist: even something goofy like technical writing, project management, etc. |
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| 00:49.58 | punkass | mhall: i have to run...thanks for your help..i may pick your brain again tomorrow |
| 00:50.04 | morphiushacker | ok, I'll give that a shot. thx. |
| 00:50.04 | mhall | doubletwist: our admins do a lot of cross-company projects |
| 00:50.07 | mhall | punkass: good luck |
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| 00:50.11 | abrotman | morphiushacker: there should be a $PUREFTPDOPTIONS or some crap near the top .. just put your option there |
| 00:50.15 | mhall | punkass: sorry i could not give a better solution |
| 00:50.16 | doubletwist | mhall Cool. Thank you for the help and infl. |
| 00:50.18 | doubletwist | er info |
| 00:50.21 | abrotman | oh .. SimonRaven wins |
| 00:50.23 | Xytek_ | Can anyone tell me how to completely remove a package, which i recieved through apt-get, if I want to uninstall Gnome, dpkg --remove gnome ? |
| 00:50.39 | zwack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:50.43 | abrotman | Xytek187: purge |
| 00:50.56 | mhall | doubletwist: a lot of the people with senior positions in my dept have hs diploma only |
| 00:50.57 | abrotman | zwack: uhm .. apt-get install zlib1g-dev ? |
| 00:51.02 | k-god | What's Debian's server database URL? On alioth I think. |
| 00:51.03 | SimonRaven | morphiushacker: plop various files with the variable set inside them. e.g., AntiWarez has 'Yes' in it for instance |
| 00:51.04 | Xytek_ | abrotman, will that remove everything that was downloaded with gnome? :) |
| 00:51.04 | zwack | yes it erros |
| 00:51.09 | abrotman | Xytek187: no |
| 00:51.11 | abrotman | Xytek_: no |
| 00:51.12 | zwack | errors |
| 00:51.17 | abrotman | errors how ? |
| 00:51.22 | zwack | i'll pate it |
| 00:51.25 | zwack | if that's ok |
| 00:51.27 | abrotman | no paste here |
| 00:51.28 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:51.28 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 00:51.33 | zwack | ok |
| 00:51.34 | Xytek_ | ohnoes, so many packages.. :/ that came with it.. :o |
| 00:51.37 | zwack | let me run it |
| 00:52.03 | zwack | !paste |
| 00:52.03 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 00:52.14 | doubletwist | mhall Yeah I could get away with the HS diploma in California, but here in Texas they seem to REALLY want you to have a degree. It's not just fluff for the job postings here. |
| 00:52.16 | k-god | Xytek_: man grep |
| 00:52.24 | SimonRaven | uh, it was *just* requested. no need to ask for again so soon |
| 00:52.27 | mhall | doubletwist: ah, probably the southern culture |
| 00:52.45 | mhall | doubletwist: things are more traditional, perks go to rich white people with money for college |
| 00:52.52 | blahblah | can someone help me with internet access on linux? (i am connect through router) |
| 00:52.58 | mhall | doubletwist: the west coast tech culture is more of a meritocracy |
| 00:53.07 | mhall | doubletwist: perks go to the skilled |
| 00:53.15 | paster | "zwack" at 70.228.107.187 pasted "zlib1g-dev" (15 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/438 |
| 00:53.17 | morphiushacker | ok, so this is in the conf file? |
| 00:53.27 | daedalus_ | blahblah: uh, are you using debian? |
| 00:53.28 | zwack | http://channels.debian.net/paste/438. |
| 00:53.39 | blahblah | !internet |
| 00:53.39 | dpkg | well, internet is An internet is any set of interconnected networks. The Internet is the largest internet in the world. It is an extensive worldwide computer network made up of thousands of other, smaller business, academic, and government networks. http://www.advogato.org/proj/internet/ |
| 00:53.40 | abrotman | zwack: are you on sarge or etch /. |
| 00:53.41 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:53.49 | zwack | testing |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | zwack: apt-get update first ? |
| 00:54.02 | zwack | yes |
| 00:54.06 | zwack | alwaysd |
| 00:54.12 | abrotman | zwack: apt-cache show zlib1g |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | zwack: apt-cache show zlib1g-dev |
| 00:54.16 | abrotman | paste them both |
| 00:54.20 | Rawplayer | blahblah: the internet is cool |
| 00:54.26 | zwack | k give me a sec |
| 00:55.33 | mhall | doubletwist: but yeah; if you went to work for us in SL, you might get to work on a Sun Fire E25K |
| 00:55.45 | mhall | doubletwist: which needless to say is a horrifyingly gigantic system |
| 00:55.48 | doubletwist | mhall : thanks for the help. I gotta go... |
| 00:55.51 | doubletwist | mhall Yeah no kidding. ;) |
| 00:55.52 | mhall | doubletwist: 10 million bucks |
| 00:56.05 | doubletwist | I'll just pick on up to learn on at home. hehe |
| 00:56.10 | mhall | doubletwist: happy computing, good luck! |
| 00:56.10 | doubletwist | later |
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| 00:56.28 | mhall | abrotman: but yes to answer your complaint |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | mhall: ? |
| 00:56.39 | abrotman | mhall: the billing thing ? |
| 00:56.44 | mhall | abrotman: verizon wireless is highest rated for customer service in cellular phones |
| 00:56.56 | mhall | abrotman: so i doubt we're disliked overly much |
| 00:57.02 | abrotman | mhall: i like mine .. as long as i'm not in Deliverance area |
| 00:57.09 | paster | "zwack" at 70.228.107.187 pasted "zlib1g-dev2" (39 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/439 |
| 00:57.13 | mhall | abrotman: but obviously in wireless as a whole there are a lot of unhappy people around |
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| 00:57.29 | mhall | abrotman: t-mobile? |
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| 00:57.48 | abrotman | mhall: yep |
| 00:57.55 | Mark62756 | hey |
| 00:58.04 | abrotman | mhall: in the city .. great! .. but in the country .. not so great |
| 00:58.05 | morphiushacker | simonraven u there? |
| 00:58.08 | Mark62756 | what are the packages so i am able to run an autogen.sh script? |
| 00:58.11 | Mark62756 | libtools? |
| 00:58.15 | abrotman | mhall: no server for an hour from my mom's house |
| 00:58.18 | abrotman | err service |
| 00:58.37 | abrotman | zwack: paste your sources |
| 00:58.39 | SimonRaven | morphiushacker: the file. the file. the file. |
| 00:58.41 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:58.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:58.47 | mhall | abrotman: yes, t-mobile is very popular with urban users |
| 00:58.51 | SimonRaven | morphiushacker: and please don't /msg me |
| 00:59.06 | abrotman | mhall: damn nice contracts for the price .. |
| 00:59.11 | Mark62756 | anyone? :/ |
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| 00:59.13 | mhall | abrotman: the reason it's like that is that it's the only unit of deutsche telekon that grows and makes money |
| 00:59.16 | jim | Damnit abrotman! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | !b-e Mark62756 |
| 00:59.20 | dpkg | Mark62756: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 00:59.27 | abrotman | jim: i didn't write it |
| 00:59.27 | mhall | abrotman: and it would cost billions to do the rural network upgrades |
| 00:59.29 | morphiushacker | n/p |
| 00:59.38 | mhall | abrotman: but they don't have the funds anywhere in the company |
| 00:59.39 | abrotman | mhall: yay GSM |
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| 00:59.41 | jim | meeeeetoooooo </aol> |
| 00:59.42 | zwack | http://channels.debian.net/paste/439 |
| 00:59.47 | mhall | abrotman: so they would have to sell it to make the improvements |
| 01:00.00 | abrotman | zwack: paste your sources |
| 01:00.05 | mhall | abrotman: and that would be selling the only division of the company experiencing revenue growth |
| 01:00.14 | mhall | abrotman: which would be a disastrous thing to do |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | mhall: maybe some day .. |
| 01:00.18 | zwack | explain that please |
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| 01:00.25 | abrotman | mhall: and then there are other GSM people making towers |
| 01:00.26 | morphiushacker | in the conf file, there are only 4 files. there is no anti-warez setting. closest thing i get is a noanonymous |
| 01:00.30 | mhall | abrotman: so they decided to sell super cheap contracts and cover the cities where there are people |
| 01:00.31 | abrotman | zwack: paste /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:00.42 | SimonRaven | morphiushacker: it was an example... sheesh |
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| 01:00.48 | mhall | abrotman: yes, but companies charge each other a lot for roaming |
| 01:00.52 | SimonRaven | morphiushacker: e.g. == for example |
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| 01:00.58 | morphiushacker | ok n/p |
| 01:00.59 | abrotman | mhall: doesn't matter to me .. i don't get charged :) |
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| 01:01.04 | SimonRaven | morphiushacker: :) |
| 01:01.22 | mhall | abrotman: right, but that's why you can't, say, use cingular gsm coverage in rural areas |
| 01:01.32 | paster | "zwack" at 70.228.107.187 pasted "zlib-dev3" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/440 |
| 01:01.34 | mhall | abrotman: a lot of people roam with verizon / sprint but they are cdma |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | mhall: no .. i mean . there's NO GSM coverage :) |
| 01:01.42 | mhall | abrotman: not even cingular? |
| 01:01.43 | jim | what is cingular gsm? |
| 01:01.55 | mhall | abrotman: well gsm is sort of new to cingular |
| 01:02.01 | abrotman | mhall: my mom lives .. very very rural part of Maine |
| 01:02.07 | mhall | abrotman: so maybe they didn't get around to that area yet either |
| 01:02.32 | mhall | abrotman: and even if they support it, t-mobile might not roam, etc. |
| 01:02.46 | zwack | http://channels.debian.net/paste/440 |
| 01:02.46 | abrotman | mhall: nah . i roam all the time .. Einstein, etc |
| 01:02.57 | mhall | abrotman: i mean they might not roam to cingular |
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| 01:03.10 | abrotman | mhall: hrm .. that'd be stupid :) |
| 01:03.11 | mhall | abrotman: i do not know if they have an agreement |
| 01:03.16 | Mark62756 | thanks abrotman :) |
| 01:03.17 | mhall | abrotman: yes it is silly |
| 01:03.22 | abrotman | zwack: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade .. does it want to upgrade anything ? |
| 01:03.33 | mhall | abrotman: the cdma companies seem to be a little more forgiving of this stuff |
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| 01:03.49 | Mark62756 | abrotman: actually build-essential doesn't work :x |
| 01:03.53 | mhall | abrotman: we are working on allowing cdma roaming to europe, as well as gsm on multimode phones |
| 01:03.57 | abrotman | yeah .. just try to find a coverage map on cingular.com |
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| 01:04.06 | abrotman | Mark62756: that was my guess .. sorry ... |
| 01:04.12 | abrotman | Mark62756: what's the error again ? |
| 01:04.12 | Mark62756 | ahh its ok |
| 01:04.17 | mobile | When I install a package it tells me what new dependent packages will be installed along with it. If I don't write these dependency packages, how do I know which one were they (in case I want to remove them later)? |
| 01:04.31 | mhall | abrotman: hmm maybe they do not want to show it because of the utter upheaval occurring in their network with the at&t merger |
| 01:04.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:04.35 | mhall | abrotman: hard to say |
| 01:04.50 | mhall | abrotman: one of my friends had six bar service until a couple weeks ago |
| 01:04.55 | nullbit | is there a way of changing my root password if i have sudo access as another user? |
| 01:05.02 | abrotman | mhall: when i enter the zip .. says not covered |
| 01:05.13 | Mark62756 | hmm |
| 01:05.14 | mhall | abrotman: they pulled a cdma tower duplicating a gsm one and he has an old cdma onlt att phone |
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| 01:05.19 | Mark62756 | what package contains aclocal? :o |
| 01:05.23 | mhall | abrotman: so now he gets maybe one bar on a good day |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | !find aclocal |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | mhall: that sucks |
| 01:05.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'aclocal' (7 of 23): (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.6) in devel/automake1.6 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.8) in devel/automake1.8 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.9) in devel/automake1.9 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.7) in devel/automake1.7 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.4) in devel/automake1.4 ;; (/usr/share/vdkb2/res/aclocal.m4) in devel/vdkbuilder2 ;; (/usr/share/libtool/libltdl/aclocal.m4) in devel/libtool. |
| 01:05.38 | mhall | !tell Mark62756 about pdo |
| 01:05.39 | gravity | die auto* |
| 01:06.00 | mhall | abrotman: yeah; cingular is giving free replacements to people who get a fresh contract |
| 01:06.03 | abrotman | gravity: where's transset ? |
| 01:06.09 | gravity | abrotman: Package it |
| 01:06.11 | abrotman | mhall: i'm not impressed |
| 01:06.15 | mhall | abrotman: but he thinks he might prefer to pay a bit more and get verizon instead |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | gravity: not me .. someone was asking aboutit |
| 01:06.19 | zwack | Abrotman: says need to do 58 upgraded, 2 newly installed >doing that now then i'll try zlib1g-dev again |
| 01:06.32 | abrotman | zwack: good plan |
| 01:06.33 | gravity | abrotman: Same story. I'm pinging the person who volunteered to take xcompmgr now. |
| 01:06.44 | abrotman | gravity: ah ok |
| 01:06.53 | abrotman | gravity: someone was aasking this morning ... |
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| 01:07.04 | Mark62756 | thanks mhall! |
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| 01:07.08 | Mark62756 | didn't know about that |
| 01:07.28 | gravity | abrotman: Tell them it's useless right now anyway. Slow as can be and/or crashy. |
| 01:07.38 | abrotman | gravity: they were just looking for it .. |
| 01:07.57 | mhall | Mark62756: yeah that site is pretty sweet |
| 01:07.58 | gravity | abrotman: Well, that's the reason why it's not been a priority. It's just not in Debian right now because it's not that useable. |
| 01:08.06 | mhall | Mark62756: you can find lots of useful stuff real fast |
| 01:08.19 | mhall | Mark62756: but i don't like the insulting tone of the backronym in the bot factoid |
| 01:08.33 | SimonRaven | gravity: indeed. i tried it on my ppc box with the rage64, and it's slow as fuck |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | gravity: ah .. gotcha . at least i know now |
| 01:09.35 | SimonRaven | @test2 |
| 01:09.36 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 01:09.46 | gravity | SimonRaven: I haven't even bothered with testing it yet |
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| 01:10.27 | Mark62756 | mhall: haha, yeah the bot is pretty insulting hehe |
| 01:10.44 | SimonRaven | it was stable on that box, but i didn't fuck with it long enough to see if it was crashy or not. made everything slow then |
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| 01:11.38 | mhall | Mark62756: yeah :-/ |
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| 01:11.50 | gravity | Yeah, it's the nvidia binary drivers which are crashy with it, although they also are the gold standard for running it fast |
| 01:11.55 | gravity | It's sooooo not ready for real use |
| 01:12.14 | SimonRaven | yeh. this box is using the crap nvidia binary shit... |
| 01:12.19 | Xytek_ | How can I install KDE rather than Gnome? if I already have Gnome installed? |
| 01:12.34 | SimonRaven | nothing prevents you from doing so |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | Xytek_: apt-get install kde |
| 01:13.03 | avrfreak | how can i update the KDE with apt-get? |
| 01:13.10 | Xytek_ | Right, I know that, but Gnome is still going to take up 613mb of space. or whatever, is there anyway to remove it |
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| 01:13.13 | Xytek_ | apt-get update kde |
| 01:13.18 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 01:13.18 | dpkg | from memory, remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove rest. |
| 01:13.36 | abrotman | zwack: done yet? |
| 01:13.51 | SimonRaven | !remove gnome =~ s/remove rest/remove the rest/ |
| 01:13.51 | dpkg | SimonRaven: OK |
| 01:14.15 | mhall | !remove kde |
| 01:14.16 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 01:14.18 | d | i unmounted a drive, but pressing the eject button does ntohing |
| 01:14.21 | d | any ideas? |
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| 01:14.26 | SimonRaven | @remove gnome is <reply> apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 01:14.26 | ravenbird | ...but remove gnome is already something else... |
| 01:14.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:14.43 | abrotman | ravenbird: do what he says! |
| 01:14.50 | abrotman | hehehe |
| 01:14.56 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 01:15.00 | mhall | dpkg, no, remove gnome is <reply> apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 01:15.01 | dpkg | mhall: okay |
| 01:15.20 | abrotman | that was good |
| 01:15.24 | d | ? |
| 01:15.25 | SimonRaven | um |
| 01:15.27 | mhall | abrotman: ? was good? |
| 01:15.31 | abrotman | mhall: what was that for ? |
| 01:15.51 | mhall | abrotman: you said something was good |
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| 01:15.58 | mhall | abrotman: but not what |
| 01:15.59 | abrotman | mhall: see what ravenbird said |
| 01:16.06 | mhall | ah ok |
| 01:16.13 | dan2_ | abrotman: hey |
| 01:16.18 | mhall | i didn't see what you meant w/ that |
| 01:16.20 | abrotman | dan2_: i thought you got deported! |
| 01:16.33 | SimonRaven | d: um, context? is this a cd, or other removable media |
| 01:16.35 | SimonRaven | ? |
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| 01:18.43 | paster | "zwack" at 70.228.107.187 pasted "zlib-dev4" (58 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/441 |
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| 01:19.04 | BourneAgain1 | What is the command line utility for disk partitioning in Debian? |
| 01:19.14 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 01:19.16 | abrotman | fdisk |
| 01:19.18 | billions | fdisk? |
| 01:19.19 | zwack | Abrotman: same thing, no install. can i just grab it from debian.org package list and dpkg -i it |
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| 01:19.24 | billions | yeah =) |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | zwack: still nothing ? |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | zwack: maybe your mirrors are out of whack |
| 01:19.43 | zwack | nope same message i pasted them |
| 01:19.54 | zwack | change mirrors and update? |
| 01:20.01 | mhall | BourneAgain1: ya might like parted better |
| 01:20.04 | braniff | how do i get a list of debian packages installed on my system ? |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | zwack: you can try |
| 01:20.09 | abrotman | braniff: dpkg -l |
| 01:20.11 | justnulling2 | how do i pass env var to apache from /etc/init.d/apache? |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | !tell braniff about refcard |
| 01:20.25 | abrotman | justnulling2: check the top of the init script |
| 01:20.30 | aeronadix | Hi, I created a new user on my system, and when I tried to use mutt, it showed error: /var/mail/user does not exit, so then I had to use su to touch the file /var/mail/user, but as a regular user I can't write to the file since it was created by su,. what can I do? |
| 01:20.32 | zwack | what about just d/l it from the website and dpkg -i >would that really mess anything up? |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | zwack: you can try it |
| 01:20.41 | braniff | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:20.44 | mhall | aeronadix: chown the file |
| 01:20.53 | mhall | aeronadix: chown user.group file |
| 01:20.58 | mhall | aeronadix: man chown |
| 01:21.15 | aeronadix | mhall, what should the group be? |
| 01:21.39 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: I think that is what FAI uses. Not sure. |
| 01:21.46 | BourneAgain1 | That is what I need to know. |
| 01:22.06 | aeronadix | mhall, that did it buddy thx! |
| 01:22.07 | justnulling2 | abrotman: what should i look for it just says that it calles apache2ctl which in turn calls apache2 with -DSSL |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | justnulling2: is'nt there an OPTIONS env var at the top ? |
| 01:22.35 | mhall | BourneAgain1: the deb installer kind of prefers parted now |
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| 01:22.54 | mhall | BourneAgain1: because fdisk was special for each cpu / disk / partition format |
| 01:23.02 | mhall | BourneAgain1: sparc fdisk is not the same code as pc fdisk |
| 01:23.13 | mhall | BourneAgain1: but parted does em all from the same source code |
| 01:23.22 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: Right, that answers my question, understand that the sparc fdisk is different. |
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| 01:23.33 | justnulling2 | abrotman: nope (i am running sarge) |
| 01:23.41 | aeronadix | why does mutt or exim or whatever it is, use my shell login & password when I send out mail: 'shellusername shellpassword <gmail-username@gmail.com>'? |
| 01:23.41 | BourneAgain1 | Excuse me partd is different for sparc |
| 01:23.43 | abrotman | justnulling2: you're triyng to remove that option ? |
| 01:23.46 | amother | is anyone there? |
| 01:23.55 | mhall | BourneAgain1: also parted is more accurate, reliable, and easier to use |
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| 01:24.03 | abrotman | aeronadix: is that your gecos ? |
| 01:24.04 | mhall | BourneAgain1: it's slightly different, yes but the same source code |
| 01:24.21 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: I am trying to figure out how to use partd for automated installs using BASH scripts and FAI. |
| 01:24.21 | aeronadix | abrotman, I don't know what gecos is |
| 01:24.27 | mhall | BourneAgain1: it has something like #ifdef __SPARC__ or some such code |
| 01:24.28 | amother | i'm confused, is this a good site to chat about quitting drinking? |
| 01:24.31 | aeronadix | how do I share files between users? |
| 01:24.33 | abrotman | aeronadix: grep <yourlogin> /etc/passwd |
| 01:24.35 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: thanks |
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| 01:24.48 | justnulling2 | abrotman: i want to add custom option (what to run two apaches so need to pass the id) |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | amother: most certainly not .. we advocate consuming large quantities of alcohol |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | !beer Amorphous |
| 01:25.10 | abrotman | bah! |
| 01:25.18 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: Is there a way to tell the partd to erase all partitions? |
| 01:25.29 | abrotman | !beer amother |
| 01:25.40 | mhall | BourneAgain1: hmm not sure |
| 01:25.55 | psycose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.56 | abrotman | justnulling2: you may have to write your own . copy the original .. modify it for your purposes |
| 01:26.03 | mhall | abrotman: lol his coming to #debian indicated his genuine requirement for this service |
| 01:26.14 | abrotman | yeah... |
| 01:26.36 | amother | i'm on the verge of killing myself tonight and this site was linked to "we quit drinking" website - I'm lost, how do I get there? |
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| 01:26.58 | abrotman | amother: this is the wrong channel |
| 01:27.06 | dvs | !troll amother |
| 01:27.12 | psycose | hi i'm trying to know if ftp.debian.org is up ... |
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| 01:27.21 | abrotman | amother: what website ? |
| 01:27.25 | dvs | psycose: Use Mozilla |
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| 01:27.37 | aeronadix | how do I change my username and password? |
| 01:27.44 | dvs | aeronadix: passwd |
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| 01:27.58 | amother | abrotman - thank you for trying. this was my last try, I'm glad that someone at least heard me... |
| 01:28.01 | dvs | aeronadix: Oh? AND your username? |
| 01:28.21 | dvs | aeronadix: I'd just create another user. |
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| 01:28.27 | aeronadix | dvs: yeah, cause when i send mail, it show my username and password |
| 01:28.39 | sagarp | i just installed debian..i have two hard disks, linux is on the 2nd one..grub is on hda, but it hangs at the loading screen..i've tried all kinds of stuff, how can i get it towork?? |
| 01:28.41 | aeronadix | dvs, I did that, but then I can't write to all my old files |
| 01:28.54 | dvs | aeronadix: You can configure an alias in the /etc/aliases file and use that in your emails |
| 01:29.08 | justnulling2 | abrotman: well i guess have to call apache2 straight without using apache2ctl script |
| 01:29.10 | justnulling2 | does anyone run multiple apache instances on debian? |
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| 01:29.22 | aeronadix | dvs, how do I do that, I am using exim and mutt, or how can I just change what name it shows when I send mail? |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | justnulling2: honestly .. why woudl you want to ? |
| 01:29.47 | dvs | aeronadix: I don't use mutt, anyone else know? |
| 01:30.02 | Wintre | Hi. I recently installed Debian stable. When I try starting firefox, I get an error that it's not allowed to connect to my X server. However, my xauth is set up fine - other programs start without problems. I remember having this problem before, but don't remember the solution. Any clues? |
| 01:30.29 | aeronadix | dvs what do you use? |
| 01:30.56 | justnulling2 | abrotman: need to run multple apaches on one server, so wnat to do it in less painfull way possible |
| 01:31.00 | abrotman | Wintre: stop trying to run stuff as root |
| 01:31.01 | aeronadix | how can I make two users able to access each others files? |
| 01:31.03 | dvs | aeronadix: Most evolution (but it's on the fritz right now, it just won't start) but mozilla mail as well |
| 01:31.14 | abrotman | justnulling2: yeah .. but why |
| 01:31.17 | Wintre | abrotman: I am not. |
| 01:31.23 | Wintre | I'm running it as myself. |
| 01:31.27 | Gathond | aeronadix: put them in the same group and give that group access |
| 01:31.30 | aeronadix | dvs, I have old hardware, I can't run Mozilla, KDE or Gnome or anything like that |
| 01:31.33 | Wintre | [mike@vendetta:~]$ firefox |
| 01:31.33 | Wintre | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 01:31.33 | Wintre | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 01:31.33 | Wintre | (firefox-bin:5234): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 01:31.39 | abrotman | Wintre: you shouldn't have to play with xauth to run firefox |
| 01:31.44 | aeronadix | Gathond, how do you do that? |
| 01:31.56 | Wintre | abrotman: I know. |
| 01:32.01 | aeronadix | Gathond, I would do this as su ? |
| 01:32.06 | Wintre | All the other programs just work |
| 01:32.07 | justnulling2 | dvs: no not vritual hosting, more like redundency |
| 01:32.16 | Wintre | Firefox whines: |
| 01:32.19 | Wintre | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 01:32.25 | Gathond | aeronadix: as for the mutt thing use_from and from options in the config file |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | justnulling2: redundancy doesn't work so well on different ports :) |
| 01:32.43 | Gathond | aeronadix: whomever of the users owns the files should be able to do it |
| 01:32.44 | aeronadix | Gathond, where is the config file for it? |
| 01:32.52 | Gathond | aeronadix: .muttrc |
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| 01:33.14 | Gathond | aeronadix: as for the permission thing, chgrp and chmod |
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| 01:33.24 | aeronadix | Gathond, so I touch that file, and then putt in the from=whatever I like? |
| 01:33.36 | Ronin` | dvs: evolution works, just have to add to the start command till they get it fixed |
| 01:33.37 | Gathond | aeronadix: that file should be there already I think |
| 01:33.43 | justnulling2 | abrotman: well it is one port, two interfaces to be more technical |
| 01:33.52 | aeronadix | Gathond, no, it isn't on my system, that was where I looked first |
| 01:34.11 | abrotman | justnulling2: so you're going to bind apache to an interface ? |
| 01:34.13 | Gathond | aeronadix: else make it and put "set from = whatever you want" and set use_from = yes inthere |
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| 01:34.32 | aeronadix | Gathond, cool, thx, |
| 01:34.37 | dvs | aeronadix: I'd try "man muttrc" to find the answer, that's what I'm doing now. |
| 01:34.42 | Wintre | So, anybody have any insights? |
| 01:35.07 | Gathond | but if its something you plan on using extensively there are several muttrc builders on the internet that will make a complete configuration file for you |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | wintix: bts ? |
| 01:35.21 | justnulling2 | yes that is what i need to pass to config files where i do ifenv check to figure out what interface to use |
| 01:35.27 | dvs | aeronadix: I think the parameter is called "from" in the ~/.muttrc file |
| 01:35.32 | Gathond | if nothing else it provides a file with most configuration options defaults already there |
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| 01:36.04 | abrotman | justnulling2: another option would be to put that optoin in the start command .. and duplicate the line for the other instance |
| 01:36.08 | aeronadix | dvs, thats a long man page, woow |
| 01:36.27 | dvs | aeronadix: Yup |
| 01:36.28 | Wintre | Oh |
| 01:36.30 | Wintre | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2005/01/msg00365.html |
| 01:36.32 | Wintre | How moronig |
| 01:36.35 | Wintre | s/g$/c/ |
| 01:36.41 | justnulling2 | abrotman: what do you mean? |
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| 01:36.42 | dvs | aeronadix: So chances are mutt can change the displayed email address |
| 01:37.20 | Gathond | dvs: it can, from and use_from as I told him :) |
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| 01:37.28 | aeronadix | dvs, yeah, I wonder why my system users my shell login and password in the first place, I never did that on the last system I setup, wierd |
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| 01:37.36 | dvs | Gathond: Oops. I missed that. |
| 01:37.42 | Gathond | I think that is all the variables required, but I might have missed one variable |
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| 01:37.49 | abrotman | justnulling2: there's a line in there that starts apache .. put your option in there .. and copy the line .. paste it right below it .. and edit to run on other interface |
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| 01:38.14 | Gathond | aeronadix: probably setup to use the system users as mail recipients, instead of having a virtual user system setup to recieve mail |
| 01:38.33 | Gathond | aeronadix: not an unusual setup if its not a large system hosting several domains |
| 01:39.09 | tbx | aw HELL YES!!!! This info, I feel, is of value to all. The end of the Dead JFS Partition Saga is in sight.... I heard back from one "Shaggy" IBM/JFS Developer today, who suggested that the partition, though hosed "dirty", could still be mounted read-only like this: "mount -t jfs -oro /dev/dead1 /mnt/point1". And it's working. BIG ASS cp -rf goin on, and GOING!!!! |
| 01:39.21 | Wintre | What a piece of shit. |
| 01:39.29 | aeronadix | Gathond, Configuring things is like finding needles in a haystack |
| 01:39.32 | abrotman | tbx: you're still messing with that ? |
| 01:39.37 | tbx | So, just that simple. Mount it -ro, mount it dirty, cp the hell out of it, and blammo. |
| 01:39.41 | tbx | abrotman: yep. |
| 01:39.47 | zwack | abrotman the dpkg seemed to do the trick, thanks for your help again... |
| 01:39.48 | Gathond | aeronadix: configuring what in particular? |
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| 01:39.58 | fas3r | hi all |
| 01:40.00 | tbx | abrotman: I wanted my 264GB back, and I'm gettin' it! w00t!!! |
| 01:40.02 | Azar | what is a JFS Partition? |
| 01:40.25 | tbx | Azar: something one should not use in conjunction with a USB enclosure plugged into a USB 1.1 port. |
| 01:40.35 | justnulling2 | abrotman: i was thinking of just making a copy of init script and setting the env var to the interce it should bind |
| 01:40.44 | abrotman | zwack: huh ? |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | zwack: oh |
| 01:41.02 | aeronadix | Gathond, like when I had to set up exim for using gmail as smarthost, how could I have know that I was supposed to use *:username:password vs smtp.gmail.com:username:password in my passwd.client file |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | justnulling2: that would work too |
| 01:41.18 | Azar | thanks tbx, another question USB 1.1 still in use? I thought 1.2 took over |
| 01:41.31 | Lee__ | is using java-package for blackdown different than installing from one of their apt repositories? |
| 01:41.32 | Gathond | aeronadix: the exim manual? |
| 01:41.33 | dvs | Azar: There is no USB 1.2 |
| 01:41.35 | fas3r | i have write a script it work great but it's possible to mask all error .... |
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| 01:41.47 | tbx | Azar: _2_.0 took over, but that's only for hardware that supports it, apparently. My mobo is old enough to not. |
| 01:41.53 | Gathond | aeronadix: personally I've never found the logic in exim, always just used postfix |
| 01:41.56 | Azar | dvs, as in Linux, right? |
| 01:42.01 | justnulling2 | abrotman: didn't think that running multiple instances of apache was so uncommon |
| 01:42.10 | aeronadix | Gathond, it didn't tell me that in the manual, I found out to use star in a some mailing list thread |
| 01:42.14 | Azar | tbx, oh I see.. thanks |
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| 01:42.31 | dvs | Azar: As in anything. There is no USB 1.2, just 1.1 and 2.0. Nothing in between |
| 01:42.44 | tbx | Azar: less flippantly, JFS is IBM's dontated-to-open-source journalling file system that has been in use for /years/. It apparently is held in low regard around here, as my foray into the data-rescue world has revealed. |
| 01:42.50 | Azar | dvs thank you for the correction, I ment 2.0 |
| 01:43.00 | tbx | Azar: FYI, my "rescue" partition is **not** JFS. :) |
| 01:43.04 | mhall | tbx: what's the issue with it |
| 01:43.15 | mhall | tbx: i always used XFS cause it's real fast |
| 01:43.23 | dvs | Azar: USB 1.1 is still used because some peripherals just as keyboards and mice don't need all that extra speed. |
| 01:43.30 | SimonRaven | justnulling2: you know, apache can be configured to listen to any port you want. you'd have to make the script so that it tells the second instance reads other conf files instead of its default one. then you're set |
| 01:43.39 | mhall | dvs: also, backward compatible |
| 01:43.42 | tbx | mhall: couldn't tell ya what the issue is, but I can tell you this.... yes, it's hella fast, and it's overhead is really low, but there are NO, repeat __NO__ resucue tools available for JFS. |
| 01:43.46 | mhall | dvs: if you hook your disk to an old box etc |
| 01:43.48 | SimonRaven | justnulling2: s/reads/read/ |
| 01:43.53 | mhall | tbx: hmm ouch |
| 01:43.59 | SimonRaven | tbx: bullshit |
| 01:44.04 | tbx | mhall: free, for pay... I found nothing. |
| 01:44.05 | FieldySnuts | rescue == have backups fool |
| 01:44.08 | mhall | tbx: now by rescue tool do you mean a fsck utility? |
| 01:44.25 | justnulling2 | simonraven: how do i do it without modifiing apache2ctl file? |
| 01:44.26 | mhall | tbx: xfs has xfs_repair which works _extremely_ well at least for me |
| 01:44.28 | tbx | mhall: nope. fsck util only told me that my partition was, indeed, busted. |
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| 01:44.41 | SimonRaven | justnulling2: init script, not apache2ctl |
| 01:44.51 | jmnet | how do i chkconfig in debian's kernel...i think it's 2.6 |
| 01:44.51 | mhall | tbx: other thing, ibm's jfs users are big iron types. they would have a tape robot |
| 01:44.52 | tbx | mhall: and I mean, specifically, jfs_fsck. |
| 01:45.04 | abrotman | jmnet: /boot/config-blah |
| 01:45.05 | tbx | mhall: very true. |
| 01:45.06 | mhall | tbx: and therefore would think of rescue as pointless |
| 01:45.17 | tbx | SimonRaven: heiferdust, you say? Correct me. |
| 01:45.21 | jmnet | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:45.21 | FieldySnuts | point being, backups. you're a dummy if you don't have those, no matter what the filesystem is |
| 01:45.24 | SimonRaven | "oh let's pull down today's backups" |
| 01:45.31 | justnulling2 | simonraven: this is what abrotman said, thanks |
| 01:45.33 | tbx | mhall: yep. Whereas for me, it was considerably more than point/full/. |
| 01:45.41 | SimonRaven | tbx: you didn't try hard enough. and what about your backups? :) |
| 01:46.00 | mhall | i mean there are a ton of tools for fat32 and ntfs, and that's because they screw up all the time and need to be rescued, and the users don't back up |
| 01:46.03 | tbx | SimonRaven: Not everyone in this world has the budget for backups, bud. |
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| 01:46.17 | mhall | probably in many ways, the better the filesystem, the fewer the rescue tools there are |
| 01:46.18 | SimonRaven | tbx: you think i do? i do what i can |
| 01:46.21 | FieldySnuts | not our problem |
| 01:46.23 | d | one of my hdds just caught fire |
| 01:46.24 | mhall | bad file systems create the market for the tools |
| 01:46.25 | tbx | SimonRaven: you don't know how hard I tried, so you are not qualified to tell me that I did not try "hard enough". |
| 01:46.28 | dvs | tbx: The question is how valuable is your data? |
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| 01:46.37 | mhall | tbx: do you have the budget not to back up |
| 01:46.39 | SimonRaven | tbx: that was tongue in cheek, relax |
| 01:46.39 | FieldySnuts | don't have the backups, don't bitch. the excuses don't matter. |
| 01:46.43 | tbx | dvs: valuable enough to not have given up. |
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| 01:47.08 | tbx | dvs: ... but I don't have the cash to shill out for extra gigs every time the wind blows. |
| 01:47.27 | SimonRaven | tbx: *sigh*. scsi is even harder to come by |
| 01:47.30 | tbx | dvs: ... so I tend to rely more on stable fs than physical backups, for the time being. |
| 01:47.43 | FieldySnuts | this is going in circles, screw it |
| 01:47.51 | dvs | tbx: One day even a stable fs will fail. |
| 01:47.53 | SimonRaven | i get drives from the "donation" bins from wherever |
| 01:48.03 | tbx | dvs: I know it. Life's a bitch. |
| 01:48.09 | Azar | removable , swappable HD |
| 01:48.19 | mhall | the problem is that filesystems are not completely deterministic entities |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | tbx: yeah .. like ntfs ... |
| 01:48.29 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:48.30 | mhall | and even on top of that the disks are not either |
| 01:48.33 | SimonRaven | i do have an opportunity on getting an usb cd burner, just need time to go get it ;) |
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| 01:48.42 | dvs | mhall: And that's the entire problem |
| 01:48.44 | tbx | FieldySnuts: and at /no/ time have I ever bitched about this situation, son. I have been displeased, yes, but diligence and the help of many here, yourself not included, have paid off in the end. |
| 01:48.56 | mhall | it would be impossible to engineer a filesystem algorithm that is incapable of software failure |
| 01:48.57 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:48.58 | FieldySnuts | @troll tbx |
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| 01:49.07 | SimonRaven | ok ok children, play nice |
| 01:49.13 | mhall | always somewhere there would be a code glitch |
| 01:49.18 | dvs | !bite SimonRaven |
| 01:49.19 | tbx | @piss on FieldySnuts |
| 01:49.36 | FieldySnuts | if the data is important and valuable enough to you, you find a way to back up. if you don't, oh well, you know better now |
| 01:50.01 | tbx | ignored. |
| 01:50.02 | Azar | FieldySnuts I would like to learn how to create backups |
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| 01:50.36 | SimonRaven | Azar: there's many ways, and there's many scripts and such. |
| 01:50.38 | SimonRaven | hmm |
| 01:50.41 | SimonRaven | !backups |
| 01:50.41 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other me's in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other me's in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 01:50.41 | FieldySnuts | rsync everything somewhere, exclude obvious paths like /mnt /proc /dev etc . i did that for years. these days I use rdiff-backup, which lets me do incrimental backups and easily restore from whenever |
| 01:50.43 | landslide | how do I purge the configuration for a particular deb package? |
| 01:50.51 | landslide | even after removing it still has traces of the configuration. |
| 01:50.53 | SimonRaven | no... |
| 01:51.00 | abrotman | landslide: man dpkg |
| 01:51.06 | tbx | abrotman: anyway, you have been helpful, as well as maher, and others whose names I unfortuneately forget. It's been truly appreciated. |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | tbx: i was helpful ? |
| 01:51.24 | justnulling2 | where can i find drives for windows to mount linux partion (preferably read/write but even read will do) |
| 01:51.27 | Azar | so far I have nothing to lose on my Debian box, but I would just wish to learn about backups |
| 01:51.40 | abrotman | justnulling2: samba ? |
| 01:52.01 | abrotman | !samba |
| 01:52.01 | dpkg | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 01:52.14 | Azar | I am not good at scripting so that makes me unable to create backups? |
| 01:52.14 | SimonRaven | Azar: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/ |
| 01:52.22 | SimonRaven | Azar: go see the backups faq there |
| 01:52.22 | tbx | tbx: a few days ago, yes. Several people kept making useful suggestions that may not have /directly/ lead to the answer, but at the least kept me plugging away, and I learned things too. |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | tbx: ah ok .. |
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| 01:52.53 | wishie | there are still issues with incomplete mirrors ? |
| 01:53.06 | grigora | does anyone know if there is Armenian support in OO? thanks |
| 01:53.10 | dvs | wishie: Always. Some mirrors are better than others |
| 01:53.21 | wishie | dvs: i mean, mirrors missing LOTS of packages ? |
| 01:53.26 | aeronadix | I need help working with chmod, say I wan -rw-rw----, what would be the chmod for that? |
| 01:53.32 | dvs | wishie: Some do |
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| 01:53.38 | wishie | where the Packages file says they are there, but they are not ? |
| 01:53.39 | goldnlink | justnulling2, http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 01:53.46 | dvs | aeronadix: 660 |
| 01:53.48 | wishie | im updating via http.us.debian.org |
| 01:53.52 | lildude | how dows you install kde |
| 01:53.59 | lildude | on net install debian |
| 01:54.01 | SimonRaven | wishie: switch. that one's been very tardy |
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| 01:54.11 | aeronadix | dvs, how do you know that? like how can I figure that my self, the man page isn't so clear on it |
| 01:54.14 | dvs | ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 01:54.25 | wishie | SimonRaven: what is a good one to use ? i mirror the mirror basically, and have a local mirror.. |
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| 01:54.38 | SimonRaven | ftp.us has been just as bad. and don't they point to the same box anyway? |
| 01:54.44 | lildude | hasa ny one apt-get kde |
| 01:54.51 | lildude | does that work?? |
| 01:54.59 | dvs | aeronadix: I kept on looking and looking until I found a parameter that "looks good" |
| 01:55.00 | mhall | grigora: OOo has a languages page, please hold |
| 01:55.15 | wishie | lildude: apt-get install kdelibs4 kdebase <--= basic stuff then kdemultimedia kdenetwork etc etc |
| 01:55.15 | SimonRaven | lildude: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 01:55.19 | grigora | mhall: holding |
| 01:55.34 | weilawei | sid still as broken as say, a week and a half ago? or is it semi safe to use? |
| 01:55.46 | weilawei | (semi safe in terms of sid.. not debian's idea of safe) |
| 01:55.57 | aeronadix | dvs, that what I do too, can you show me how you do it, I just try number, like chmod 600, 601, 610, untill i find it |
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| 01:55.58 | mhall | grigora: http://l10n.openoffice.org/ |
| 01:56.02 | lildude | ok il try that |
| 01:56.06 | SimonRaven | weilawei: it's slowly getting better |
| 01:56.07 | grigora | mhall: thanks |
| 01:56.19 | justnulling2 | abrotman: samba is it, it is the reverse of what i need |
| 01:56.20 | dvs | aeronadix: Oh. I thought we were talking about mutt stil. ;-) |
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| 01:56.24 | weilawei | SimonRaven, thanks.. any idea what specifically is still hanging up? |
| 01:56.26 | SimonRaven | weilawei: libaspell stuff got resolved - see the changelog |
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| 01:56.31 | aeronadix | dvs, lol |
| 01:56.31 | weilawei | ah god |
| 01:56.33 | weilawei | good |
| 01:56.47 | goldnlink | justnulling2, explore2fs. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 01:56.52 | nvz | gcc4, xorg, kde 3.4, gnome 2.10.. bah I am sticking with sarge :P |
| 01:56.57 | SimonRaven | weilawei: still the C++ ABI transition going on. but the stability's improving |
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| 01:57.16 | Azar | thank you SimonRaven |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | justnulling2: not really .. you want to share a windows box with linux or the other way around ? |
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| 01:57.23 | dvs | aeronadix: You have to think in binary. Octal actually, the first number is (usually) the user's permission, the second number is the group permission and the third number is the other permission. |
| 01:57.26 | justnulling2 | goldnlink: thanks let me check it out |
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| 01:57.30 | abrotman | justnulling2: either way involves samba or samba tools |
| 01:57.32 | SimonRaven | Azar: :). that faq has neat shit in it |
| 01:57.41 | SimonRaven | Azar: also the knowledgebase there |
| 01:57.45 | Azar | SimonRaven, yup a lot of good stuff |
| 01:57.48 | weilawei | Ah.. I'm happy right now.. see I dist-upgraded all the way from stable to unstable, then set it back to testing and actually by now, updates have started to percolate in. (current testing pkgs overtaking old stable ones) |
| 01:58.00 | dvs | aeronadix: The highest bit (4), is read the next bit (2) is write and the last bit (1) is execute permissions |
| 01:58.04 | Vladi | Hi, I am trying to figure out the best filesystem to use for a file server with most small files being ~ 10 MB and most big files being bigger then 800 MB. The files will be shared via NFS and the server specs are [ Dual P3-450 / 512 MB Ram / AMI Megaraid i4 4 WD 200GB @ Raid 5 / 100 Mbits Switched Network ]. Can somone pls give their opinion with an explanation? thx!! |
| 01:58.07 | justnulling2 | i have harddrive tht has linux partino wnat to pop it into windows box and mount it |
| 01:58.15 | weilawei | Vladi, XFS |
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| 01:58.19 | DouglasNetchurch | weilawei: How did you set unstable back to testing? I've got a friend who wants to do that! |
| 01:58.20 | justnulling2 | abortman: see above |
| 01:58.21 | abrotman | justnulling2: yes .. explore2fs |
| 01:58.28 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 01:58.28 | dpkg | [explore2fs] a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 01:58.29 | justnulling2 | abortman: ok |
| 01:58.33 | weilawei | DouglasNetchurch, no no ... see actually going back is messy. ive done that too |
| 01:58.39 | wishie | Vladi: thought about reiserfs ? |
| 01:58.45 | weilawei | what i did was set it to testing so it wouldnt update anything for a LONG time |
| 01:59.05 | weilawei | my system was essentially a snapshot of unstable until testing overtook it |
| 01:59.07 | FieldySnuts | ~be an xorg barbie |
| 01:59.08 | apt | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 01:59.11 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 01:59.18 | Vladi | wishie: yes been reading on google for a while |
| 01:59.25 | wishie | Vladi: reiserfs, cause i use it here, on my Athlon XP 3000+ fileserver. it contains over 30,000 mp3s/ogg and quite a few DVD iso, aswell as divx etc |
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| 01:59.35 | mhall | grigora: hmm i started lookin at the page and it is not so great |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: that factoid is really busted .. |
| 01:59.40 | wishie | Vladi: has 6 hard disks running in it |
| 01:59.42 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
| 01:59.43 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: How familiar are you with using BASH to update and install software> |
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| 01:59.48 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: the aussiesmite i mean |
| 02:00.00 | FieldySnuts | it worked before, is what I don't understand |
| 02:00.00 | DouglasNetchurch | weilawei: Ok, messy being the key word ... so to make the system un-messy again he has to reinstall. |
| 02:00.04 | mhall | grigora: what you really want is http://projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html |
| 02:00.04 | FieldySnuts | so what changed |
| 02:00.11 | Abid | hi |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | @tell FieldySnuts about literal cmd: aussiesmite (.*?) |
| 02:00.22 | mhall | BourneAgain1: you mean using the shell to change software around? |
| 02:00.22 | SimonRaven | !be an xorg barbie |
| 02:00.23 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 02:00.27 | Vladi | wishie: yeah and u sharing over NFS ? |
| 02:00.31 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: Yes |
| 02:00.31 | SimonRaven | hmm |
| 02:00.32 | weilawei | DouglasNetchurch, yeah unless he's insanely crazy like me and does it for the experience |
| 02:00.32 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: the parenthesis are messed up |
| 02:00.35 | mhall | BourneAgain1: you'd have to be more specific |
| 02:00.36 | wishie | Vladi: yes. |
| 02:00.44 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: but they weren't before. so somebody fucked with it. |
| 02:00.48 | wishie | Vladi: 6 computers use it, via NFS |
| 02:00.49 | Abid | d |
| 02:00.49 | Abid | df |
| 02:00.50 | Abid | fd |
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| 02:00.51 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: yeah ... |
| 02:00.58 | d | yes? |
| 02:01.02 | FieldySnuts | i've tried a factinfo on that or whatever, it never works |
| 02:01.06 | wishie | Vladi: and samba (for the 3 windows boxes) aswell |
| 02:01.09 | mhall | grigora: also http://l10n.openoffice.org/languages.html |
| 02:01.16 | jmnet | is there a way to update my kernel or is there even a way to update it? |
| 02:01.18 | FieldySnuts | i'm too tired to deal with it now, people, please stop screwing up my factoids. |
| 02:01.21 | grigora | mhall: thanks |
| 02:01.21 | Vladi | wishie: do u get pauses when transfering ? i heard reiserfs has problems with nfs |
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| 02:01.28 | abrotman | !tell FieldySnuts about literal cmd: aussiesmite (.*?) |
| 02:01.32 | mhall | grigora: that was not really easy to find |
| 02:01.33 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: In general, I need to do a lot with fully automating installation and upgrades. |
| 02:01.33 | DouglasNetchurch | weilawei: Thanks. :) As I was warning "No don't move to unstable" I'll draw some perverse pleasure in conveying your experiences. |
| 02:01.34 | Vladi | wishie: or an accurate MB / sec |
| 02:01.39 | mhall | grigora: i had to google some real odd stuff |
| 02:01.40 | wishie | Vladi: well, i cant stream media off it just fine. |
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| 02:01.45 | weilawei | DouglasNetchurch, you do that |
| 02:01.50 | jmnet | should i update my kernel or is there even a way to update it?* |
| 02:01.53 | wishie | Vladi: i get around 30mb/sec over NFS (1gbit lan card) |
| 02:02.00 | weilawei | I'm in here checking to see whether I should snapshot unstable again or not.. Im guessing not. |
| 02:02.00 | mhall | BourneAgain1: well the debian packaging system already accomodates a lot of this without needing to do much scripting |
| 02:02.01 | wishie | sometimes up to around 42mb/sec |
| 02:02.03 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: I know that is a big area, but someone must sorta have a bag of tricks thing. |
| 02:02.07 | mhall | BourneAgain1: which is why i'm confused |
| 02:02.07 | lildude | ap-t get install kde worked |
| 02:02.11 | lildude | how i start x |
| 02:02.17 | weilawei | I try to do it when unstable is in a relatively calm period |
| 02:02.18 | Vladi | wishie: do u have raid or |
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| 02:02.23 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:02.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:02.26 | FieldySnuts | no shit. |
| 02:02.27 | grigora | mhall: I think they all deal with internationalization, I am more concerned at this point with just being able to see Armenian characters in a document (vs having all the menus, etc in a different language) |
| 02:02.28 | weilawei | and then let testing overtake me.. and then do it again |
| 02:02.29 | FieldySnuts | getting irritating |
| 02:02.32 | mhall | grigora: oh ok |
| 02:02.36 | wishie | Vladi: no raid. |
| 02:02.38 | tbx | weilawei: you've had lots of experience with xfs? reliability, throughput being points of interest for me... |
| 02:02.42 | jim | Damnit abrotman! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:02.47 | mhall | grigora: you are covered then as long as you set your box up in unicode mode |
| 02:02.53 | Azar | thank all for the help, good day |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | jim: can't you ignore Jim! ? |
| 02:03.11 | mark_ | hi guys... |
| 02:03.14 | mhall | grigora: in order to do that, i'd say google linux unicode, debian unicode, and you will need the dpkg-reconfgure locales command |
| 02:03.19 | weilawei | tbx, very reliable in my experience, never noticed a slowdown. i've seen lots of benchmarks.. ill try to look up a few.. |
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| 02:03.33 | mhall | grigora: once you are in unicode you can see every character in the world |
| 02:03.37 | weilawei | i do occasionally do projects requiring huge throughput |
| 02:03.46 | grigora | mhall: I'll give it a shot, thanks |
| 02:03.53 | mhall | grigora: also another thing |
| 02:03.55 | mark_ | I'm having a problem with pam_ldap... When entering correct username and password, I just get the login prompt again (no error message) |
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| 02:04.01 | weilawei | but oftentimes im using something like HDF5 to manage my data so its not entirely filesystem dependant |
| 02:04.02 | mhall | !tell grigora about unicode |
| 02:04.10 | tbx | weilawei: yes, I've /heard/ good things about it, but these days I am pretty sketchy. My only real complaint about ext3 is that at times it does seem a bit slow, that and /major/ chunk of my drive gone to overhead. |
| 02:04.17 | mhall | grigora: i'm venturing a guess that the bot fact might talk about how to get unicode going right |
| 02:04.30 | mhall | grigora: the sweet thing is once you get it, even the console supports it |
| 02:04.31 | mark_ | and in /var/log/auth.log I see "pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "uid=maksym,ou=users,dc=engclubrooms,dc=org" (Invalid credentials)" |
| 02:04.50 | mhall | grigora: so you get unicode on your text consoles, terminals, x, kde, gnome, etc |
| 02:04.53 | abrotman | tbx: lost data vs slow .. which would you prefer ? |
| 02:05.02 | mhall | er damn the factoid is crappy |
| 02:05.05 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: It does I agree. The system I have in place does automated PXE installs with a local debian mirror. I plan exactly what I want installed and then deploy it. It is true the network install works well and I can automate the install to the point of being silent. This extends the debian installer to support classes. I effectively assign a MAC address to a set of classes and it automatically installs everything. I also can aut |
| 02:05.20 | grigora | mhall: thanks, I'll see if I can figure out how to do configure it |
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| 02:05.28 | tbx | abrotman: oh, I know it. that's why I am asking. If I can not lose data *and* gain speed and diskspace, then it's worth a /consider/, no? |
| 02:05.30 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: It is the FAI project for Debian. |
| 02:05.50 | weilawei | http://bulma.net/body.phtml?nIdNoticia=642 <- bad benchmark for XFS esp in small file dept..... very broad benchmark -> http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html |
| 02:05.55 | SimonRaven | @be a vsta barbie |
| 02:06.01 | SimonRaven | @be vsta barbie |
| 02:06.02 | ravenbird | well, be vsta barbie is Being mounted is HARD! |
| 02:06.16 | manchine | trying to upgrde to KDE 3.4.1 on sarge from the alioth repos. the process stops when trying to uncompress kdict. apt-get -f install solves nothing. dpkg -i --force-depends /path/to/package.deb neither. i'm stucked with anhalf done install. suggestions are much welcome. |
| 02:06.17 | SimonRaven | @be amd barbie |
| 02:06.17 | ravenbird | Cooling is hard! |
| 02:06.21 | mhall | !tell grigora about utf8 |
| 02:06.22 | tbx | abrotman: just like, nobody is sitting here telling me to stick with ext2... it's older [well, it just not journalled]. New stuff comes along... if it's good, there ain't no point sticking with the crusty. |
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| 02:06.27 | abrotman | tbx: best advice .. get an UPS .. |
| 02:06.29 | mhall | !tell grigora about utf-8 |
| 02:06.35 | tbx | abrotman: I /have/ a UPS. |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 02:06.40 | dpkg | i guess filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 02:06.42 | weilawei | reiserfs might actually be a better choice for a TON of small files but then you have rumors about unreliability |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | tbx: read the reiserfs file |
| 02:06.54 | abrotman | tbx: from the second link |
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| 02:07.02 | tbx | abrotman: sweet. thanks! |
| 02:07.03 | mhall | weilawei: well usually lots of small files is something like usenet |
| 02:07.08 | weilawei | XFS seemed solid as a bullet to me, but lacking tools for resizing partitions and such |
| 02:07.13 | mhall | weilawei: but you are sorta screwed if it's email |
| 02:07.20 | FieldySnuts | resizing partitions is dangerous anyway |
| 02:07.26 | mhall | weilawei: because you don't use reiser on email |
| 02:07.31 | weilawei | FieldySnuts, we know. but there have been reasons to do it. |
| 02:07.39 | mhall | the reason there are few xfs tools for resizing is because it's enterprise |
| 02:07.40 | FieldySnuts | and i hope ya got a nice battery backup if you're using xfs (caches very agressively in ram, lose power, lose that data) |
| 02:07.46 | weilawei | I don't like the lack of a tool of i ever need it |
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| 02:07.54 | mhall | an enterprise would revocer off of a tape robot |
| 02:07.58 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: Anyway, I am in the process of trying to see how the automated network install and FAI keep a similar perspective. So far it seems, as a novice, that the methods are divergent. |
| 02:07.58 | mhall | weilawei: btw there is one |
| 02:08.02 | mhall | weilawei: xfs_grow |
| 02:08.04 | FieldySnuts | resizing is never safe, and shouldn't be done period |
| 02:08.06 | weilawei | i use a large battery backup :) |
| 02:08.13 | mhall | weilawei: but you have to have extra allocation groups |
| 02:08.22 | mhall | weilawei: or you will run out of inodes for the new space |
| 02:08.31 | weilawei | FieldySnuts, thats perfectly wonderful wisdom in a perfect world |
| 02:08.37 | weilawei | Welcome to reality |
| 02:08.42 | abrotman | mhall: if it's lots of large files .. not that much of an issue |
| 02:08.51 | FieldySnuts | really? well, tell you what. you can trust your data to an unsafe practice, while I will not. enjoy! |
| 02:08.54 | mhall | abrotman: well still, inodes are cheap |
| 02:09.00 | mhall | abrotman: make 50mb extra of em |
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| 02:09.07 | mhall | abrotman: and you won't run out in all likelihood |
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| 02:09.19 | SimonRaven | i spend a good 15 minutes minimum on how to partition a drive. yeh yeh it's long, but i haven't had to resize partitions. i just have to add partitions because the drive is too small =) |
| 02:09.23 | Will_ | People use partition 'magic', then break things, then call me and expect me to fix it. I'm not sure if I should dislike the program for making people think they can do things like that, or like it because it makes me money |
| 02:09.40 | SimonRaven | Will_: how about both? |
| 02:09.49 | mhall | the general idea now is to pull a solaris and use a logical volume manager |
| 02:09.56 | mhall | you can grow and shrink partitions on command |
| 02:10.05 | mhall | linux is behind in this area |
| 02:10.06 | wishie | Will_: partition magic works great, if you know what you are doing |
| 02:10.07 | SimonRaven | why bother |
| 02:10.07 | mark_ | any ideas about pam_ldap? |
| 02:10.09 | Will_ | Tails. I like it. (flipped a coin) |
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| 02:10.13 | mhall | because it's not often used on huge SANs |
| 02:10.21 | mhall | where the feature is more important |
| 02:10.23 | SimonRaven | mark_: it works. it's useful. there's 2 |
| 02:10.30 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: I want the ideal environment. A users computer crashes, or cluster member, and all that has to be done is PXE boot it to fully restore it. It seems like it would save a bunch of system administration time. |
| 02:10.38 | Will_ | wishie: Any program or process with the word 'magic' in the title should not be trusted, period. |
| 02:10.48 | mhall | BourneAgain1: well i'm not very experience in this area |
| 02:10.52 | mhall | BourneAgain1: sorry |
| 02:10.52 | FieldySnuts | 75% or maybe 80% of our clients at work are thin clients, lots of problems solved |
| 02:11.01 | mhall | experienced* |
| 02:11.07 | weilawei | FieldySnuts, what i love about thin clients |
| 02:11.08 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: Either am I. It is pretty interesting though. |
| 02:11.14 | weilawei | I'm doing a project now.. I don't get FTP access. |
| 02:11.22 | mhall | BourneAgain1: yeah i think you will just have to plug away for some weeks |
| 02:11.23 | wishie | Will_: why not ? it works. |
| 02:11.26 | d | hey, i unmounted a drive, but I cant open it from my eject button, anyone know how to work around that? |
| 02:11.26 | weilawei | However, their thin client won't untar a tarball. |
| 02:11.31 | weilawei | It says it will, but it won't. |
| 02:11.31 | mhall | BourneAgain1: because maybe nobody really did this yet |
| 02:11.39 | weilawei | So the project is on standstill until they fix it. |
| 02:12.06 | mhall | BourneAgain1: one area worth exploring would be LDAP with Samba CIFS home directories with UNIX Extensions mode |
| 02:12.19 | mhall | BourneAgain1: this is what i did on a 30-box network except I used NFS |
| 02:12.20 | SimonRaven | mark_: don't /msg me |
| 02:12.35 | mhall | BourneAgain1: SMB is a more reliable protocol particularly when done with Samba |
| 02:12.35 | tbx | abrotman: /veeerrrrry/ interesting read. Answered about all my questions. |
| 02:12.36 | mark_ | SimonRaven: nice. but I'm getting the following error: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "uid=maksym,ou=users,dc=engclubrooms,dc=org" (Invalid credentials) |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | tbx: all those articles are good |
| 02:12.45 | mhall | BourneAgain1: then you have one central data area to back up |
| 02:12.48 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: I have plugged away for about a month now. My next project is to document FAI with flowcharts and pseudocode inside a hypertext support document. |
| 02:12.54 | SimonRaven | second time someone's done that today. next person i'm going to yell at them for it |
| 02:13.05 | mhall | BourneAgain1: and all you have to do is solve the problem of imaging machines quickly when needed |
| 02:13.07 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: Yeah, it is interesting stuff. |
| 02:13.07 | d | I unmounted my cddrive, but I cant open it from my eject button, when I remount it and right click the CD and click eject, it doesnt eject, any ideas? |
| 02:13.08 | weilawei | SimonRaven, can I pretty please? ;) |
| 02:13.09 | FieldySnuts | oh no be scared ;) |
| 02:13.15 | SimonRaven | mark_: yeh, password is wrong. so? |
| 02:13.25 | weilawei | /msg SimonRaven Hi, this is a /msg you DIDN' |
| 02:13.30 | weilawei | t request |
| 02:13.37 | abrotman | SimonRaven: it happens to me all the time .. why is that ? |
| 02:14.02 | mhall | some people are flypaper for freaks |
| 02:14.03 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: Well this method allows me to go beyong imageing, and allows the assignment of a computer to a set of classes. Users are members of various classes that have certain software preinstalled and configured. |
| 02:14.13 | mhall | BourneAgain1: hmm neat |
| 02:14.21 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: The images are created on the fly basically. |
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| 02:14.29 | mhall | BourneAgain1: that is pretty cool |
| 02:14.48 | SimonRaven | i never /msged people when i started out on irc |
| 02:14.56 | mark_ | SimonRaven: Actaully the pasword is correct thats why it doesn't say "Incorrect login" it just returns to the login prompt |
| 02:15.01 | mhall | i wonder if i could make a threaded irc client |
| 02:15.07 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: I thought so myself. Although it has taken awhile for me to get this mindset of automated administration. |
| 02:15.29 | mhall | that dynamically colors the lines of text like gmail does the email addresses in gmail threads |
| 02:15.39 | weilawei | SimonRaven, actually it'd be the correct way to split a conversation which was logically separate from the general topic of the room. That's the only use. |
| 02:15.48 | tbx | abrotman: yeah, I am reading through them all, just for the edumacation. |
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| 02:15.55 | mhall | so that lines addressed to you from X and lines from you addressed to X get conglomerated |
| 02:15.58 | abrotman | tbx: good deal |
| 02:16.00 | SimonRaven | mark_: well, i have little data to go on, so i don't know what's going on. you'll need to be more open about the problem |
| 02:16.02 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: I see it as fully achieveable now. It is just a matter of time before all networks use this methodology IMHO. |
| 02:16.02 | weilawei | Both parties might not want to go to another room or it might be semi-private |
| 02:16.12 | mhall | but only after you pass a threshold of a value of X |
| 02:16.13 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i must have a friendly face :) |
| 02:16.21 | mhall | BourneAgain1: MS networks already do this quite well |
| 02:16.25 | SimonRaven | weilawei: i generally use it for semi-private or private stuff |
| 02:16.26 | mhall | BourneAgain1: systems management server |
| 02:16.27 | weilawei | !karma abrotman |
| 02:16.28 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 4 |
| 02:16.34 | weilawei | abrotman++ |
| 02:16.35 | SimonRaven | abrotman: *blink* heh |
| 02:16.38 | rumpl | neverputt the game is very very good... :) |
| 02:16.49 | SimonRaven | you need the ! |
| 02:16.57 | abrotman | weilawei: that didn't work |
| 02:17.00 | weilawei | !abrotman++ |
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| 02:17.20 | weilawei | i know.. im being drowsy and my botskills are not fully awake |
| 02:17.23 | auk | wtf!? |
| 02:17.39 | auk | what's my karma? |
| 02:17.43 | weilawei | !karma auk |
| 02:17.43 | dpkg | auk has neutral karma |
| 02:17.45 | abrotman | !karma auk |
| 02:17.46 | mark_ | SimonRaven: OK I have setup an ldap server (slapd) and created accounts on the server, I can see the accounts using slapcat |
| 02:17.47 | SimonRaven | probably 0 |
| 02:17.50 | auk | lol |
| 02:17.52 | abrotman | !karma greycat |
| 02:17.52 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 02:17.55 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: I only know the bare bones of SMS. Do do fully automated system deployments though requires more then SMS I believe. |
| 02:17.58 | auk | neutral, yeah right |
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| 02:18.08 | BourneAgain1 | To do fully automated system deployments that is. |
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| 02:18.13 | weilawei | We can mod you down if you wish, auk |
| 02:18.14 | mhall | BourneAgain1: i'm not completely sure |
| 02:18.15 | abrotman | auk: we only count the channel karma .. you're on your own in real life |
| 02:18.27 | Bauer | anyone knows how can I use grep command to find lines containing 2 words? usually those 2 words wouldnt be near each other, but they are on same line in file |
| 02:18.30 | mhall | BourneAgain1: it definitely does have good software, patch, and license management |
| 02:18.33 | auk | abrotman, ahh, i see |
| 02:18.36 | SimonRaven | mark_: you know there's an #ldap channel with more ldap-grokking people on it |
| 02:18.45 | lildude | how i start x |
| 02:18.49 | auk | hmm..what woudl this do...? |
| 02:18.52 | SimonRaven | startx |
| 02:18.54 | auk | i don't use debian |
| 02:18.54 | lildude | start x does noting |
| 02:18.56 | rumpl | what's my karma? |
| 02:18.57 | mhall | BourneAgain1: but i think the thing you are proposing would also support on the fly os installs better than sms |
| 02:19.00 | weilawei | !karma rumpl |
| 02:19.00 | dpkg | rumpl has neutral karma |
| 02:19.02 | auk | gtg |
| 02:19.03 | auk | bbl |
| 02:19.09 | gravity | lildude: startx |
| 02:19.11 | SimonRaven | lildude: 'startx' not 'start x' |
| 02:19.11 | mark_ | SimonRaven: ok I'll try there |
| 02:19.14 | mhall | BourneAgain1: with sms i think the official windows install method is an unattended cd |
| 02:19.18 | weilawei | !tell auk about enter |
| 02:19.20 | lildude | gravity tried that |
| 02:19.25 | lildude | nothing happend |
| 02:19.26 | mhall | BourneAgain1: like you said, that's not automatic when you have 10000 pc |
| 02:19.30 | mhall | BourneAgain1: pcs* |
| 02:19.31 | gravity | lildude: What happened? |
| 02:19.34 | Phated | Have you perhaps installed X? |
| 02:19.36 | Will_ | Bauer: cat file | grep one | grep two ? |
| 02:19.44 | lildude | bad fille comand |
| 02:20.01 | lildude | told it get-install kde |
| 02:20.07 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: FAI is almost there. Still it requires a lot of tuning know how to use. But I see it as a worth while project. |
| 02:20.10 | lildude | it dl pck |
| 02:20.10 | gravity | lildude: Do you have xbase-clients? |
| 02:20.15 | SimonRaven | lildude: you need x too |
| 02:20.22 | Bauer | hmm yeah it works.. damn was cause of caps sensitivity. thanks Will_ |
| 02:20.48 | Bauer | is there any way to make grep command ignore case sensitivity by default? and not use -i each time? |
| 02:20.52 | lildude | how i tell if my kde is dnld |
| 02:20.59 | abrotman | wow |
| 02:21.02 | Phated | You need X as well, not just KDE. |
| 02:21.02 | Will_ | alias grep grep -i ? |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | you guys have fun |
| 02:21.04 | lildude | how i tell if i got kde |
| 02:21.04 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:21.11 | Phated | Oh, ffs. |
| 02:21.20 | abrotman | lildude: apt-get install kde x-window-system .. when it's done .. come back |
| 02:21.22 | SimonRaven | Bauer: no. not without setting upan alias for it |
| 02:21.23 | Will_ | startkde ? |
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| 02:21.31 | lildude | aok |
| 02:21.38 | Bauer | hmmm how do I do it? I never have set an alias |
| 02:21.57 | abrotman | Phated: see .. by the time it's done .. i'll be in bed .. it was all part of my master plan! :) |
| 02:21.58 | TwistedEmotions | My XMMS keeps crashing... in terminal I get the error "Message: alsa mixer timed out".. Anyone? Help.. |
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| 02:22.35 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: Microsoft is a combination of Remote Installation Services (RIS), Intellimirror, SMS, and of course hardware monitoring agents. |
| 02:22.45 | rumpl | any xchat clients to use in a term, i mean not X??? |
| 02:22.54 | Warp4 | rumpl, yes |
| 02:22.56 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: It is a pain :( |
| 02:23.02 | Warp4 | rumpl, xchat-text |
| 02:23.11 | Warp4 | rumpl, apt-get install xchat-text |
| 02:23.15 | Warp4 | but it sucks though |
| 02:23.19 | TwistedEmotions | Also... does apache2 have a website counter feature? |
| 02:23.22 | lildude | typed that cant find kde packadge |
| 02:23.30 | lildude | now what |
| 02:23.32 | Phated | rumpl: irssi-text |
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| 02:24.00 | rumpl | Warp4, thanks, i know how to use apt-... no really thanks... |
| 02:24.07 | BourneAgain1 | I love the Debian installer. It rocks. Microsoft could take some lessons from Debian developers. |
| 02:24.13 | rumpl | thanks Phated |
| 02:24.25 | Bauer | How do I make alias for grep -i? |
| 02:24.36 | Warp4 | Bauer, write an sh script :) |
| 02:24.38 | abrotman | i thought sarge release sunday would have worn off by now |
| 02:24.52 | Phated | You'd think so. |
| 02:24.56 | Xenguy | Bauer: an alias is a better idea IMO |
| 02:25.06 | SimonRaven | yeh d-i turned out to be rather nice |
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| 02:25.13 | gravity | :-) |
| 02:25.18 | d | has anyone installed UT2K4 on linux? |
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| 02:25.56 | Xenguy | Bauer: add something like this to ~/.bashrc -> alias g='grep -i' |
| 02:26.14 | SimonRaven | be nicer if you could mount drive partitions from it without having to re-partition them, but wtf. at least tab completion works ;) |
| 02:26.22 | Xenguy | Bauer: then do -> source ~/.bashrc |
| 02:26.53 | Bauer | one sec.. which bashrc to edit? I need it to work for all users.. root and regular |
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| 02:26.54 | BourneAgain1 | mhall: What is really amazing to me is that Microsoft is touting xcopy deployment for .NET. As the worm turns =) |
| 02:27.01 | weilawei | /etc/profile |
| 02:27.15 | Xenguy | Bauer: OK - try it with /etc/profile then |
| 02:27.16 | lildude | start x stil finds nothing |
| 02:27.25 | lildude | what am i doing wrong? |
| 02:27.35 | SimonRaven | startx startx startx startx |
| 02:27.35 | Phated | The command is 'startx'? |
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| 02:27.46 | gravity | lildude: NO SPACE BETWEEN START AND X |
| 02:27.47 | SimonRaven | we've told you at least 3 times already |
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| 02:27.50 | Bauer | Xenguy what exactly shall Iw rite in /etc/profile? alias g='grep -i'? |
| 02:27.54 | Phated | Have you even installed X? Because you were told to do that too. |
| 02:27.59 | lildude | ive tried it ten times |
| 02:28.01 | Xenguy | Bauer: yup |
| 02:28.02 | weilawei | `startx` |
| 02:28.04 | weilawei | no spaces. |
| 02:28.09 | weilawei | no tick marks either |
| 02:28.09 | lildude | i tried that apt get install kde |
| 02:28.11 | SimonRaven | lildude: and YOU KEEP TYPING IT WRONG |
| 02:28.16 | lildude | and outher ways |
| 02:28.20 | abrotman | lildude: apt-get install kde x-window-system kdm ... then reboot |
| 02:28.20 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 02:28.24 | Phated | WE SAID INSTALL X, NOT FUCKING KDE. |
| 02:28.30 | Phated | abrotman: Heh. |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | lildude: and do what i said .. NOW!!!!!!!!! |
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| 02:28.42 | abrotman | !do what he says |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | dpkg: you're an ass |
| 02:28.53 | FieldySnuts | @do Phated |
| 02:29.03 | rumplstiltzkin | testing |
| 02:29.03 | Bauer | Xenguy where in the profile? end? start? |
| 02:29.07 | weilawei | abrotman, I bet you lildude will do exactly this now `apt-get install kde x-window-system kdm ... then reboot` |
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| 02:29.20 | rumplstiltzkin | hey i like this termchat |
| 02:29.27 | EmeraldCat | Could some please tell me how to get Debian 3.0r1 online?? I've been trying for 2 hours using pppd and wvdial, but to no avail. (GkDialer also doesn't work.) |
| 02:29.45 | Xenguy | Bauer: just somewhere 'separate'; say at the end |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | weilawei: should have done it like `apt-get install kdm kde x-window-system;reboot` :) |
| 02:29.53 | weilawei | EmeraldCat, do you by chance have a winmodem? |
| 02:29.59 | weilawei | abrotman, he's not that smart. |
| 02:30.17 | SimonRaven | ugh, winmodems |
| 02:30.20 | gravity | lildude: What is the exact error when you type "startx"? |
| 02:30.24 | EmeraldCat | weilawei: no an external serial modem on ttyS0. |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | use pppconfig |
| 02:30.49 | abrotman | and pon/poff |
| 02:31.06 | SimonRaven | make sure the phone line is plugged in ;) |
| 02:31.12 | lildude | start x error command not found |
| 02:31.21 | Phated | AGH! |
| 02:31.24 | EmeraldCat | I used pppconfig 3 times, but it didn't help me at all. I still couldn't get connected. |
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| 02:31.31 | abrotman | lildude: apt-get install kdm x-window-system kde |
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| 02:31.38 | Xenguy | Bauer: BTW always back up a config file before some joker like me tells you to change it ;-) |
| 02:31.42 | abrotman | are you happy?!?!? |
| 02:31.46 | FieldySnuts | noi |
| 02:31.57 | gravity | Why do I get the feeling that he's just missing xbase-clients? |
| 02:32.05 | gravity | lildude: aptitude install xbase-clients then try startx again |
| 02:32.09 | abrotman | gravity: i get the feeling he's missing a lot more |
| 02:32.12 | tricaric | hello |
| 02:32.12 | weilawei | !abrotman++ |
| 02:32.14 | Bauer | sorry Xenguy didn't get ur answer.. had dicsonnection from bnc for 2 secs |
| 02:32.20 | abrotman | !ur |
| 02:32.20 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 02:32.23 | Phated | x-window-system is supposed to depend on xbase-clients too, isn't it? |
| 02:32.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:32.27 | Xenguy | Bauer: just somewhere 'separate'; say at the end |
| 02:32.32 | Xenguy | Bauer: BTW always back up a config file before some joker like me tells you to change it ;-) |
| 02:32.33 | tricaric | I have a weird problem with CVS and public/private IP. Can anybody please help me? |
| 02:32.34 | weilawei | abrotman needed extra karma for that stunt. |
| 02:32.39 | EmeraldCat | When I used wvdial I was connected to my carrier, but when the carrier responded with "GA" wvdial didn't know what to do. |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | weilawei: yeah .. but did it work ? |
| 02:32.48 | weilawei | yes |
| 02:32.49 | Bauer | ah.. ok.. then I said I did it, but still doesnt work |
| 02:32.52 | abrotman | yes? |
| 02:32.55 | weilawei | Wait, did it work for him? |
| 02:32.55 | abrotman | how do you know ? |
| 02:33.02 | Bauer | (05:31:08) <Bauer> -bash: g: command not found |
| 02:33.11 | FieldySnuts | @annoy Bauer |
| 02:33.12 | ravenbird | Bauer: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 02:33.14 | d | how can I kill a program that wont go away? |
| 02:33.16 | weilawei | abrotman, I misread your question. No I do not know |
| 02:33.19 | Xenguy | Bauer: source /etc/profile |
| 02:33.20 | Phated | Bauer: source it? |
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| 02:33.34 | weilawei | d: killall -HUP programname |
| 02:33.45 | tricaric | the problem is the following: I can't connect to a CVS server from a computer with a non-public IP number (local IP different from internet IP). |
| 02:33.47 | Phated | And why are you using /etc/profile instead of ~/.bashrc and sourcing it from ~/.bash_profile? |
| 02:33.51 | tricaric | why? |
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| 02:34.06 | weilawei | d: or... |
| 02:34.07 | weilawei | -s9 |
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| 02:34.12 | Xenguy | Phated: K.I.S.S. |
| 02:34.13 | d | its an installer |
| 02:34.23 | Bauer | ah, works now :) |
| 02:34.26 | Bauer | thanks a lot ppl |
| 02:34.27 | abrotman | he's like indigestion .. hurts like hell and won't go away |
| 02:34.27 | Phated | Needing root perms to edit a file isn't simple. |
| 02:34.31 | Xenguy | Bauer: yw |
| 02:34.32 | weilawei | d: it is an installer for what? |
| 02:34.35 | Bauer | ravenbird waht did u mean? how to do what? |
| 02:34.36 | tricaric | help me help me me me :) |
| 02:34.37 | ravenbird | i don't know, Bauer |
| 02:34.42 | abrotman | !tell Bauer about u |
| 02:34.43 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 02:34.51 | lildude | abortman typed it like that and says cant find kde packadge |
| 02:34.57 | d | weilawei: UT2K4 |
| 02:35.02 | d | (which doesnt work) |
| 02:35.02 | abrotman | lildude: are you running ubuntu ? |
| 02:35.08 | Phated | Gross. |
| 02:35.08 | weilawei | d: is it running in X? you opened it? if so, open a terminal and type xkill |
| 02:35.17 | lildude | nope debain 3.1 2.6 kernal |
| 02:35.18 | weilawei | that will give you a cursor which allows you to kill the window |
| 02:35.21 | rumpl | lildude, apt-get update??? |
| 02:35.27 | lildude | tried that |
| 02:35.30 | d | weilawei: thx!! thats a great command to know |
| 02:35.36 | EmeraldCat | Does the newest version of Debian auto-detect and auto-configure devices attached to the computer? |
| 02:35.41 | tricaric | the problem is the following: I can't connect to a CVS server from a computer with a non-public IP number (local IP different from internet IP). |
| 02:35.41 | Phated | Never. |
| 02:35.42 | rumpl | apt-cache search kde ??? lilu |
| 02:35.52 | FieldySnuts | good night Phated :) |
| 02:35.54 | abrotman | lildude: uname -a |
| 02:35.57 | Phated | tricaric: This is a CVS server on the internet? No duh there. |
| 02:36.07 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Bah, humbug. *hugs* |
| 02:36.09 | tricaric | yes |
| 02:36.16 | Phated | !pal tricaric |
| 02:36.18 | tricaric | Phated: yes, it's a public CVS server |
| 02:36.20 | lildude | il reboot it and tehn see if i can startx |
| 02:36.23 | Phated | Hahahahahaha. HAHAHAH. |
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| 02:36.33 | tricaric | ? |
| 02:36.43 | weilawei | lildude, after X starts, I highly recommend a course in basic english |
| 02:36.48 | d | hm, how can I check to see if my 3d card works? |
| 02:36.51 | Lee__ | why is gnupg dependent on libusb? |
| 02:36.54 | d | tuxracer doesnt give me a mouse |
| 02:36.56 | Phated | tricaric: Have a router or anything like that? Connected to your computer? |
| 02:36.57 | abrotman | lildude: what is your native language? |
| 02:37.05 | tricaric | Phated: I just noticed that I cannot checjout from a computer with private IP number... |
| 02:37.14 | lildude | i only speak english |
| 02:37.17 | Phated | tricaric: Can you even connect to it? |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | lildude: no .. really |
| 02:37.23 | abrotman | !qotd114 |
| 02:37.23 | dpkg | i heard qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 02:37.25 | rumpl | d glxinfo |
| 02:37.27 | weilawei | abrotman, my excuse for that question is always: C++; I had to take ESL. |
| 02:37.29 | tricaric | Phated: the local IP number of my machine is different from the public/internet one |
| 02:37.31 | Phated | lildude: Take up another one. You don't do english very well. |
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| 02:37.44 | abrotman | Xenguy: you don't love us anymore ? |
| 02:37.51 | tricaric | I can, i.e. via telnet, but then something strange happens: |
| 02:37.52 | d | rumpl: what am I looking for |
| 02:37.54 | Phated | Who cares. He uses ubuntu. |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:38.03 | gravity | lildude: You need to give us the exact error. It's hard to believe you when we have no idea what's actually happening when you type "startx" |
| 02:38.06 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: added a counter to the page ;P http://ovaici.homelinux.com/ |
| 02:38.13 | abrotman | Phated: my debian accidentally installed suse! |
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| 02:38.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: not I just need to design it ;) |
| 02:38.20 | Phated | abrotman: Precisely. |
| 02:38.25 | TwistedEmotions | *now |
| 02:38.25 | tricaric | Phated: it redirects me to -> parse_cvsroot ( :pserver:cvs@pserver.samba.org:2401/cvsroot ) |
| 02:38.30 | weilawei | TwistedEmotions, I love that picture |
| 02:38.32 | rumpl | d, direct rendering: Yes |
| 02:38.34 | lildude | comand not found is error when startx typed |
| 02:38.36 | Lee__ | any ideas about gpg...needing libusb. it's a enc/decryption utility! |
| 02:38.38 | tricaric | Phated: that has nothing to do with the actual CVS I Want to access |
| 02:38.46 | lildude | oute is no kde pack found |
| 02:38.50 | TwistedEmotions | weilawei: hahaha... No really! It's that big! |
| 02:38.51 | d | rumpl: it says no, how can I fix that? |
| 02:39.01 | rumpl | what card do you have ??? |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | lildude: you're running sarge? |
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| 02:39.05 | Phated | tricaric: It's not an IP problem, then. Ask someone who knows HTF to use CVS. |
| 02:39.20 | lildude | think its sarge |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | tricaric: the samba site should show you exactly how to check it out |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | lildude: uname -a |
| 02:39.31 | Phated | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:39.42 | rumpl | d, what card do you have ??? |
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| 02:39.47 | abrotman | lildude: what is the versino of libc6 ? ... dpkg -l libc6 |
| 02:39.48 | tricaric | Phated: the funny thing is that I'm not connecting to samba, but to a completely different server: |
| 02:39.52 | SimonRaven | lildude: do this, echo $PATH . do you see /usr/bin in there? |
| 02:40.00 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 02:40.01 | dpkg | No, twistedemotions, you're not online any more. |
| 02:40.08 | d | rumpl: ATI radeon 9500, i followed the directions from http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 02:40.11 | piratePenguin | Why isn't there a glibc package in the repositories (at least from what I can see)? |
| 02:40.12 | weilawei | TwistedEmotions, have you got a phone handy? I think you got rooted or something. |
| 02:40.17 | abrotman | piratePenguin: libc6 |
| 02:40.20 | gravity | lildude: You need to install the package xbase-clients. Then startx should at least be present. |
| 02:40.27 | piratePenguin | abrotman: oh right, thanks |
| 02:40.28 | tricaric | Phated: cvs -t -d :pserver:anonymous@alien.ssl.berkeley.edu:/home/cvs/cvsroot checkout boinc |
| 02:40.28 | TwistedEmotions | weilawei: why do you say that? |
| 02:40.29 | tricaric | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.29 | tricaric | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.30 | tricaric | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.32 | tricaric | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.33 | weilawei | TwistedEmotions, Can I at least PM you with something? |
| 02:40.34 | tricaric | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.37 | weilawei | I'm being dead serious |
| 02:40.38 | SimonRaven | STOP PASTING |
| 02:40.39 | tricaric | Phated: and then it dies.... |
| 02:40.41 | TwistedEmotions | weilawei: yeah |
| 02:40.45 | abrotman | no comment |
| 02:40.48 | rumpl | d, in you xfree86 config file do you a DRI Section |
| 02:40.55 | d | lemme check |
| 02:41.01 | abrotman | tricaric: what is the website where you got those instructions ? |
| 02:41.03 | tricaric | Phated: while, from another machine with public IP it works perfectly |
| 02:41.04 | Phated | tricaric: Let me make this simpler. I know fuckall about CVS. Ask someone who knows. |
| 02:41.06 | sussudio | regexs make head hurt. |
| 02:41.16 | lildude | its sarge |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 02:41.21 | tricaric | Phated: this website: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/source_code.php |
| 02:41.24 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 02:41.24 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | show those .. or die |
| 02:41.30 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 02:41.30 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 02:41.31 | sussudio | -|[^>]*-(.*?).mp3 |
| 02:41.31 | gravity | abrotman: Dude. He's running sarge. Let it go. |
| 02:41.34 | sussudio | badger. |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | gravity: how the hell does he not have a kde package? |
| 02:41.44 | gravity | abrotman: He needs fucking xbase-clients. |
| 02:41.51 | gravity | abrotman: That's all. We've seen this problem before. |
| 02:41.55 | Phated | tricaric: If you address me again, I will ignore you. I've stated this clearly. I don't know ANYTHING ABOUT CVS ASK SOMEONE WHO KNOWS. |
| 02:41.57 | gravity | kde doesn't pull it in by default. |
| 02:42.02 | lildude | it was net install |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | gravity: i'm well aware of that |
| 02:42.07 | SimonRaven | so? |
| 02:42.11 | Phated | gravity: x-window-system does. |
| 02:42.14 | d | rmple: yes, it is set to Mode 0666 |
| 02:42.17 | gravity | lildude: Just install xbase-clients. Then try startx. Then let us know what happens. |
| 02:42.17 | abrotman | lildude: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 02:42.21 | rumpl | good |
| 02:42.25 | tricaric | Phated: ok |
| 02:42.25 | lildude | ok |
| 02:42.38 | EmeraldCat | So I guess I can't go online with Debian 3.0r1? |
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| 02:42.49 | rumpl | hum let me think... |
| 02:43.05 | maher | tricaric: a) it works for me and i'm nat'ed and b) why don't you dl nightly tarball |
| 02:43.05 | abrotman | gravity: i'm ont saying he doesn't 'just need' xbase-clients . but i do find it suspect he has no kde metapackage |
| 02:43.13 | gravity | abrotman: One thing at a time |
| 02:43.24 | gravity | We can't figure out the kde deal if he can't run X |
| 02:43.25 | abrotman | nah .. all at once |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:43.46 | rumpl | d, do you have mesa installed, just a guess, |
| 02:43.57 | lildude | base client downloading |
| 02:44.38 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 02:44.44 | lildude | now what next |
| 02:44.46 | sussudio | !bear abrotman |
| 02:44.48 | abrotman | startx |
| 02:44.56 | abrotman | !prise sussudio |
| 02:45.09 | d | rumpl, i dont remember apt-getting any mesa packages |
| 02:45.15 | zu22 | !cheer cocunut cream pie |
| 02:45.29 | rumpl | d, try... |
| 02:45.58 | gravity | lildude: The xbase-clients is a bunch of programs like startx that you need to run X on your machine locally. |
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| 02:46.13 | d | # If OpenGL acceleration doesn't work, try using "yes" here |
| 02:46.13 | d | # and disable the kernel agpgart driver. |
| 02:46.13 | d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:46.25 | d | does that have anything to do with it? |
| 02:46.41 | lildude | no such file server error |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:46.52 | abrotman | gravity: you're up! :) |
| 02:46.57 | lildude | is what i get when i type startx |
| 02:46.57 | rumpl | d, well try to say yes and reload X |
| 02:47.01 | SimonRaven | wtf. what are you typing into that shell? |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | start x ? |
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| 02:47.13 | gravity | lildude: I need the actual error |
| 02:47.23 | lildude | yess in shell |
| 02:47.36 | lildude | gravity |
| 02:47.37 | d | rumpl, which mesa files should I get (if any) before I try this |
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| 02:47.41 | abrotman | gravity: you ask for too much! |
| 02:47.46 | gravity | heh |
| 02:47.54 | abrotman | gravity: baby steps .. |
| 02:47.58 | lildude | no such file or directry] |
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| 02:48.00 | Frozen-Solid | is there a tutorial for installing an x server and getting it setup in debian? the wiki just shows how ot install gnome/kde after you already ahve x |
| 02:48.06 | lildude | server error |
| 02:48.08 | rumpl | d, xlibmesa-dri... |
| 02:48.09 | citrosack | how do i make an iso out of a dir? |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | lildude: type the ENTIRE error into the irc window |
| 02:48.17 | rumpl | d, xlibosmesa4 |
| 02:48.17 | Phated | You stupid twit. |
| 02:48.18 | abrotman | assuming it's one line |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | citrosack: mkisofs |
| 02:48.31 | Phated | abrotman: Get him kicked for pasting, do it! |
| 02:48.34 | gravity | "server error" doesn't tell us much, but at least you've got startx now... |
| 02:48.37 | lildude | no such file or directory server error |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | citrosack: and you WILL need to read the man page |
| 02:49.01 | maher | Frozen-Solid: try tasksel, and install a desktop environment - it should pull in everything you need |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | Phated: you wish |
| 02:49.11 | gravity | lildude: What does typing "which startx" say? |
| 02:49.11 | grigora | does anyone know the locale code for Armenian? (like en_US.UTF8) I have found some things on google that suggest hy_AM, but that does not appear in the list when I do dpkg-reconfigure locale. thanks |
| 02:49.15 | Frozen-Solid | taskel? |
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| 02:49.19 | Phated | abrotman: I do. |
| 02:49.28 | maher | Frozen-Solid: tasksel |
| 02:49.33 | lildude | no way of kde only shell on sarge? |
| 02:49.50 | abrotman | that's english .. |
| 02:49.51 | Frozen-Solid | so i aptget that? and it should get everythign i need? |
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| 02:49.57 | abrotman | just to let you all know .. just in case you missed it |
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| 02:50.18 | weilawei | abrotman, Just Say It |
| 02:50.19 | gravity | heh |
| 02:50.23 | Phated | If that's English these days, no wonder so many people are considered literate now. |
| 02:50.32 | rumpl | lildude, install wmaker |
| 02:50.34 | abrotman | !singlishsmite Phated |
| 02:50.35 | dpkg | Phated: Why so goondu, you? |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | exactly ... |
| 02:50.42 | d | rumpl, none of that worked |
| 02:50.43 | gravity | rumpl: We're so not at that point |
| 02:50.49 | lildude | wmake how install what is it |
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| 02:50.58 | gravity | jesus |
| 02:51.01 | maher | Frozen-Solid: no - its a command - run it |
| 02:51.05 | Phated | FOR FUCK'S SAKE, don't ask him to install other stuff YET. |
| 02:51.05 | abrotman | lildude: ignore rumpl .. he's wrong |
| 02:51.09 | gravity | lildude: Get X running first. What does "which startx" telly ou? |
| 02:51.12 | abrotman | rumpl: SHUT UP |
| 02:51.13 | Frozen-Solid | oh. okay thanks maher |
| 02:51.13 | SimonRaven | lildude: no, you need to be forthcoming with what people ask. we need information to help you, so you need to share the info we ask. |
| 02:51.25 | Xenguy | gravity: :-) |
| 02:51.27 | SimonRaven | oh here we go with rumpl saying stupid shit again |
| 02:51.33 | lildude | ok simon what you want? |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you mean it stopped ? |
| 02:51.42 | Phated | I think he has us all on install. |
| 02:51.48 | Phated | Ahem. ignore. |
| 02:51.51 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:51.51 | rumpl | abrotman, YOU SHUT UP |
| 02:51.57 | maher | grigora: is there hy_anything in the list? |
| 02:52.12 | grigora | maher: nope |
| 02:52.21 | SimonRaven | abrotman: yeh, when i set him on/ignore ;) |
| 02:52.32 | abrotman | rumpl: you constantly give out bad advice and wrong answers .. stop .. please .. you're going to seriously fuck up someone's system .. and they will drive to your house .. and hopefully beat the snot out of you |
| 02:52.42 | empty | man what the hell... I am doing a super simple install on a HS20 IBM bladeserver and I get a PIVOT_ROOT kernel panic when I try to boot off the HDD... I get it right after it loads the ETH ints |
| 02:52.59 | Phated | abrotman: And the life too, hopefully. |
| 02:53.08 | d | abrotman, do you know why direct rendering: No is showing on my ATI card? :D |
| 02:53.08 | Xylron | When i 'apt-get update' twice in only a few seconds i get an error. If i'm using ftp I get a "bizare" filesize not what server said type of error, but with http i get an 'invalid signature error'. With http (I'm not sure about ftp), i get the message if (one of the) RELEASE files is marked 'IGN' . WTF is up? |
| 02:53.09 | lildude | so waht else nothing |
| 02:53.19 | lildude | sory for the trouble |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | d: because you haven't setup dri |
| 02:53.27 | lildude | cant be helped i guess |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | d: which card ? |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | which model i mean |
| 02:53.35 | rumpl | abrotman, i'm not giving the wrong answers, just my opinion but ill shut up now... sorry |
| 02:53.35 | weilawei | lildude, I strengthen my recommendation for a basic english class. |
| 02:53.37 | d | abrotman: ATI radeon 9500 |
| 02:53.38 | zu22 | !lart rumpl |
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| 02:53.54 | abrotman | rumpl: no .. I, as well as others, have seen you give wrong answers .. and not a little bit wrong .. |
| 02:53.57 | weilawei | lildude, at the very least, appease english minors of us here and get a spellchecker. |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | d: you will need the official ATI drivers |
| 02:54.22 | weilawei | zu22, Do Not /msg Me. |
| 02:54.23 | maher | grigora: umm.. maybe you are out of luck - maybe you should make/package a hy locale? |
| 02:54.24 | lildude | got a spell checker if kde has one |
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| 02:54.27 | d | abrotman: i followed the directions perfect on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 02:54.28 | empty | I'd think it was HD drivers BUT the stock 2.6 kernel works fine on install just not on reboot |
| 02:54.30 | weilawei | /ignore zu22 |
| 02:54.32 | shad0w1e | question my system stopped booting. It spawns like 5 million errors during boot. I booted off a different drive and mounted the problem disk. is there any way (from here) I can look at the other drive and see the problem?? |
| 02:54.35 | SimonRaven | hahah someone just found my OpenLDAP sampleacls page =) |
| 02:54.37 | abrotman | d: have you asked #ati at all ? |
| 02:54.39 | zu22 | haha some ppl have such thin skin |
| 02:54.43 | d | abrotman: no |
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| 02:54.54 | abrotman | SimonRaven: where were you earlier when i had ldap questions? |
| 02:54.55 | weilawei | zu22, 'tis polite to ask first in #. |
| 02:54.56 | Phated | SimonRaven: Is that particularly amusing? :) |
| 02:54.59 | rumpl | abrotman, like what |
| 02:55.22 | abrotman | rumpl: i only have tonight .. i don't keep logs .. but i'm sure SimonRaven coudl dredge up a few |
| 02:55.36 | lildude | would gnome be eaiser |
| 02:55.37 | Phated | Maybe he has a random quote on debstats. |
| 02:55.46 | rumpl | abrotman, well im herer since 2 days... |
| 02:55.50 | grigora | maher: sure looks like it |
| 02:56.04 | SimonRaven | Phated: well considering there weren't any decent ones around, that included stuff like ldap based addressbooks, and other stuff like users/groups (except for one) it was about time for such a thing |
| 02:56.05 | abrotman | rumpl: i know .. i've seen you make an ass out of yourself |
| 02:56.08 | Xylron | restating my question: Why does APT sometimes decide to ignore (IGN) one of the RELEASE files (resulting in a GPG signature error)? (this is when using ftp.us.debian.org via http, and happens about 50% of the time) |
| 02:56.18 | abrotman | Xylron: no change |
| 02:56.22 | rumpl | abrotman, when |
| 02:56.22 | abrotman | !ign |
| 02:56.24 | Phated | "abec0, stew he is the first one .... will stop doing that..." |
| 02:56.31 | Phated | SimonRaven: Ah. Well, all right. |
| 02:56.36 | empty | So can anyone help me out with this error? |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | rumpl: DID I NOT JUST FUCKING SAY I DON"T HAVE LOGS .. ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID? |
| 02:56.39 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: how do I get information in a installed package? dpkg -"?" <package> |
| 02:56.46 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: -l |
| 02:56.48 | Xylron | no change? then why the gpg error? |
| 02:56.51 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: ;) thanks. |
| 02:56.51 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: man dpkg |
| 02:56.56 | abrotman | !tell TwistedEmotions about refcard |
| 02:57.02 | empty | abrotman, shame on you for using rhetorical questions when talking to the challenged |
| 02:57.09 | rumpl | abrotman, stop shouting |
| 02:57.13 | abrotman | rumpl: stop being stupid |
| 02:57.15 | Xylron | and sometimes there has been no change but it does not ign. |
| 02:57.22 | maher | shad0w1e: try smartctrl or something, and look in the logs for disk errors |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | Xylron: no . i mean .. the time stamp doens't even change .. |
| 02:57.59 | shad0w1e | maher, whats that? |
| 02:58.22 | lildude | does any on have xwindows on sarge or text only? |
| 02:58.30 | netman1 | empty: what type of harddisk are we talking about? |
| 02:58.33 | maher | shad0w1e: smartctl <-- talks to smart disks - smart is a protocol for disk error reporting |
| 02:58.39 | Phated | lildude: A lot of people do. |
| 02:58.48 | shad0w1e | how do I execute it |
| 02:58.49 | abrotman | Xylron: let me look for a more well defined answer |
| 02:58.58 | maher | shad0w1e: install it - read the man page |
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| 02:59.16 | lildude | why cant i then get it to work? that means i retarded |
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| 02:59.25 | Phated | Uhm, yeah. |
| 02:59.30 | shad0w1e | E: Couldn't find package smartctrl |
| 02:59.36 | lildude | no |
| 02:59.37 | Phated | Sorry, kid. It's not us, it's you. |
| 02:59.42 | lildude | yeah |
| 03:00.03 | SimonRaven | lildude: well, i suggest you go ver what was said and see if you missed anything |
| 03:00.09 | SimonRaven | s/ver/over/ |
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| 03:00.18 | lildude | done that simon |
| 03:00.18 | SimonRaven | !vn |
| 03:00.21 | Xylron | abrotman: If I do apt-get update 10 times in 2 minutes about half the time apt-get will IGN the RELEASE file and give a GPG error, the other half will not |
| 03:00.23 | abrotman | Xylron: form what i just read . implies a missing Release file |
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| 03:00.28 | lildude | remote maybe hepfull |
| 03:00.32 | abrotman | Xylron: some mirrors are round robin |
| 03:00.46 | SimonRaven | !vn is <reply>Vietnam |
| 03:00.46 | dpkg | okay, SimonRaven |
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| 03:00.56 | Xylron | good point. let me check on that. |
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| 03:01.24 | Phated | lildude: Let's start over. Have you got X -at all-? |
| 03:01.30 | lildude | no |
| 03:01.32 | abrotman | x-window-system ! |
| 03:01.38 | Phated | NO FUCKING DUH! |
| 03:01.38 | lildude | no |
| 03:01.49 | maher | lildude: run tasksel and install a destop environment |
| 03:01.50 | Phated | lildude: Type this: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 03:01.54 | abrotman | Phated: i didn't mean you |
| 03:02.01 | Xylron | yep... ftp.us.debian.org is round robin, but has at least one bad mirror. :( |
| 03:02.04 | Phated | abrotman: I didn't mean you, either. |
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| 03:02.13 | abrotman | Xylron: i think more than one currently |
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| 03:02.54 | Xylron | yuch... would not be a problem if not for apt-secure anyway... I find it to just be a pain |
| 03:03.04 | Phated | lildude: And for hell's sake, configure it correctly. |
| 03:03.18 | abrotman | you wish |
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| 03:03.27 | empty | netman1, ibm esx |
| 03:03.27 | Phated | Of course I do. |
| 03:03.39 | sussudio | SimonRaven: vietnam is VM |
| 03:03.40 | empty | netman1, esxs my bad |
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| 03:03.43 | britt2 | can somebody help me out, i fully configured exim4 to directly send and recieve emails via SMTP and I can only send mail....can somebody help me out? |
| 03:04.10 | doubletwist | yeah, use postfix. :) [kidding...mostly] |
| 03:04.12 | mrwill | hey, I'm installing a new disc. No data of any kind on it yet. I was wondering what disklabel I should put on it. maybe a bsd disklabel? maybe it's not even important, but I don't add new hardware very much. |
| 03:04.18 | SimonRaven | sussudio: oh did i do 'vn'? |
| 03:04.24 | Phated | SimonRaven: Yes, you did. |
| 03:04.25 | Xytek_ | Hrm, when I use dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system nothing, happens, I'm trying to add more resolutions, can anyone tell me what im doing wrong? should i be reconfiguring, xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 03:04.26 | SimonRaven | sussudio: duh... thanks |
| 03:04.29 | maher | britt2: how do you normally receive mail |
| 03:04.29 | sussudio | SimonRaven: yes, you did |
| 03:04.33 | sussudio | :-| |
| 03:04.36 | Phated | Xytek_: Yes. |
| 03:04.44 | shad0w1e | ok thanks everyone... |
| 03:04.50 | SimonRaven | so explain this one then (from countrycodes output) |
| 03:04.50 | gravity | Xytek_: Right. xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:04.52 | SimonRaven | Viet Nam vn vnm 704 |
| 03:04.58 | britt2 | maher: i just re-installed sarge, and i forgot how i got everything to work last time |
| 03:05.05 | maher | mrwill: disk label is not important - i normally leave it blank |
| 03:05.07 | britt2 | maher: i used exim4 before |
| 03:05.10 | Phated | <shrug> |
| 03:05.17 | Phated | Typo? :) |
| 03:05.47 | sussudio | guess they can't decide |
| 03:05.54 | maher | britt2: yes - but how do you normally recieve mail? |
| 03:06.12 | sussudio | worldbook says VM |
| 03:06.12 | lildude | no x window packade error |
| 03:06.16 | britt2 | maher: last install, i used cyrus and squirrelmail |
| 03:06.29 | britt2 | maher: this time i cant even get mutt to read mail |
| 03:06.34 | gravity | lildude: Dude. |
| 03:06.36 | Phated | lildude: Show us EXACTLY what you typed and the result. COPY AND PASTE. |
| 03:06.38 | liable | lildude: what exactly did you type? |
| 03:06.40 | maher | britt2: ok - do you have your own domain name and MX listing then? |
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| 03:06.49 | britt2 | maher: yup. nothing changed there |
| 03:06.49 | gravity | lildude: Just run tasksel and install the desktop task |
| 03:06.54 | abrotman | hahah |
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| 03:07.01 | canibal | alguien que hable español? |
| 03:07.01 | liable | good idea.. |
| 03:07.05 | britt2 | maher: this is some wierd-assed config problem |
| 03:07.05 | abrotman | gravity: but . no kde package ... |
| 03:07.10 | sussudio | !es |
| 03:07.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:07.17 | abrotman | !en |
| 03:07.17 | dpkg | english, you twit |
| 03:07.20 | gravity | abrotman: I'm thinking either troll or retard at this point |
| 03:07.25 | lildude | apt-get install x-window -system |
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| 03:07.26 | gravity | Probably the former |
| 03:07.28 | maher | britt2: can you telnet to port 25 on the box, do you get exim? |
| 03:07.30 | rss | Is there a way to bookmark only a part of a webpage? a bookmarklet or a firefox extension? |
| 03:07.31 | britt2 | maher: for example what permissions (chmod) do i use for the /var/mail boxes |
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| 03:07.36 | abrotman | gravity: latter |
| 03:07.40 | Phated | lildude: No SPACE between window and -system! |
| 03:07.44 | gravity | lildude: Do you have a problem with putting spaces in where we don't tell you to? |
| 03:07.46 | maher | britt2: that should all work by default |
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| 03:08.00 | doubletwist | I personally prefer to install x-window-system-core ... Don't get all the extra junk I never use. |
| 03:08.10 | abrotman | doubletwist: don't complicate! |
| 03:08.11 | gravity | doubletwist: He's an idiot. |
| 03:08.16 | doubletwist | haha |
| 03:08.30 | Phated | gravity: Hand twitches. Comes from being a wanker. |
| 03:08.31 | britt2 | maher: i know it should, but it doesnt and i dont know why |
| 03:08.38 | abrotman | Phated: wanking ? |
| 03:08.47 | britt2 | maher: everything is correctly forwarded....should i use postfix |
| 03:08.48 | Frozen-Solid | maher: i tried tasksel, and it errors out :( |
| 03:08.49 | SimonRaven | wank == jerk off |
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| 03:08.54 | Phated | abrotman: *jerk* *jerk* *jerk* |
| 03:08.55 | Frozen-Solid | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 03:08.55 | Frozen-Solid | E: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be installed |
| 03:08.55 | Frozen-Solid | E: Unable to resolve some dependencies! |
| 03:08.55 | maher | britt2: ok - i fyou send yourself an email on the box where does it go? |
| 03:09.02 | abrotman | Phated: thanks .. i needed that |
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| 03:09.17 | abrotman | initech: have we got a project for you |
| 03:09.24 | lildude | stuck in shell guess on this distro |
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| 03:09.29 | maher | Frozen-Solid: don't paste - try apt-get -f upgrade <-- check its not going to remove things you dont' want before letting it go |
| 03:09.30 | abrotman | haha |
| 03:09.33 | gravity | Ok... time to /ignore |
| 03:09.33 | initech | abrotman: oh yeah? |
| 03:09.34 | zu22 | haha |
| 03:09.36 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 03:09.44 | abrotman | initech: lildude needs *help* |
| 03:09.47 | liable | lildude: do us a favor, install ubuntu.. |
| 03:09.51 | SimonRaven | fuck this, i'm /ignoring too |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 03:09.55 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu is a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 03:10.00 | lildude | yeah ubuntu |
| 03:10.03 | abrotman | yeah |
| 03:10.04 | lildude | or suse |
| 03:10.06 | abrotman | yeah |
| 03:10.12 | gravity | SimonRaven: It's disheartenening and stupid |
| 03:10.15 | abrotman | oh .. Corellinux! |
| 03:10.15 | Frozen-Solid | i can't paste at ALL? that was three lines? o_0 no offense or anything... :\ |
| 03:10.16 | justnulling2 | how can i forward all email (including root) to another server, can get it too work with exim4, should i use postfix? |
| 03:10.17 | zu22 | just give him AOL CD bwahahahaha:) |
| 03:10.20 | abrotman | oh .. wait |
| 03:10.22 | abrotman | !stormix |
| 03:10.22 | dpkg | [stormix] a company that makes a commercial linux distribution based on debian, and gives the work back to the community. http://www.stormix.com/, or filed bankruptcy |
| 03:10.30 | Frozen-Solid | usually most chats are okay with a paste as long as it's only 4 lines or less |
| 03:10.47 | abrotman | bah .. the stormix packages are gone from debian |
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| 03:10.53 | SimonRaven | gravity: *sigh* |
| 03:10.54 | Leomar | Guys... I need to do work the module snd_intel8x0m in my pc to my modem works... I have the sources and the snd_intel8x0m.ko that I download with another sources |
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| 03:11.13 | maher | Frozen-Solid: yeah - but one line of that would have sufficed... |
| 03:11.19 | initech | don't talk to me 'bout ubuntu, because I hate on that shit like nobody's business |
| 03:11.24 | Frozen-Solid | k. sorry. |
| 03:11.25 | liable | Leomar: so, modprobe it.. |
| 03:11.36 | empty | so am I right in thinking it is an HD prob of some sort? |
| 03:11.51 | jlmb | I'm running unstable trying to install flashplugin-nonfree. I can't configure it. Let me explain, on the "Configuring flashplugin-nonfree" dialog screen you are asked to enter a path for the file or leave it blank, neither works. I killed all the processes and now when I try to apt-get update Im asked to reconfigure flashplugin leading the same results. thanks |
| 03:12.03 | britt2 | maher: i tried it, and it took a long time to send and connect and i never got it in my inbox |
| 03:12.16 | Leomar | liable: FATAL: Module intel8x0m not found |
| 03:12.18 | maher | britt2: where did it go? look in the exim log |
| 03:12.19 | initech | ]i hate on that shit till it's a smoking crater, hellscape lookin bombed out shit |
| 03:12.26 | fishhead | <Leomar> liable: FATAL: Module intel8x0m not found |
| 03:12.31 | liable | Leomar: snd-intel8x0m |
| 03:12.33 | britt2 | maher: where is that located /etc/exim |
| 03:12.33 | britt2 | ? |
| 03:12.34 | fishhead | you aren't missing much if that's for i810 video |
| 03:12.36 | fishhead | :P |
| 03:12.40 | maher | justnulling2: stick a forward line in /etc/aliases? |
| 03:12.50 | maher | britt2: /var/log/exim |
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| 03:13.34 | Leomar | liable: ops... Fatal: Error inserint snd_intel8x0m ( /lib/modules/2.6.8..../snd-intel8x0m.ko): Invalid module format |
| 03:13.46 | justnulling2 | maher: yes i have everything go to root and on the last line i have root: root@myserver.com but i never get those emails |
| 03:13.52 | Leomar | liable: ops... Fatal: c/inserint/inserting |
| 03:14.13 | maher | justnulling2: look in /var/log/exim(4) and see what's up |
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| 03:14.24 | britt2 | maher: retry time not reached for any host |
| 03:14.26 | britt2 | -53 |
| 03:14.29 | liable | Leomar: dunno. |
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| 03:15.09 | mhall | You know you have a good program when your usage message is 42 lines long. |
| 03:15.11 | justnulling2 | maher: R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 03:15.23 | britt2 | maher: ^^^thats itr |
| 03:15.38 | britt2 | what does that mean? |
| 03:15.47 | maher | britt2: this was a message to user@localhost? |
| 03:16.01 | Frozen-Solid | I tried to upgrade and all the http gets failed, then i tried to update first and get "W: GPG error: http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de mplayer/ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BDCE3370C88CEDF6" |
| 03:16.07 | maher | justnulling2: britt2 are either of you on dynamic ips? |
| 03:16.07 | britt2 | maher: britt2@domain.com |
| 03:16.19 | justnulling2 | maher: no |
| 03:16.30 | maher | britt2: try britt2@localhost |
| 03:16.37 | britt2 | justnulling2: i am.... |
| 03:16.38 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 03:16.38 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software throws warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informational output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 03:16.41 | justnulling2 | maher: i am seting email to a server on the same network |
| 03:16.45 | britt2 | justnulling2: got a Q for me? |
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| 03:17.35 | justnulling2 | britt2: looks like i have the same problem as you do |
| 03:17.43 | britt2 | maher: okay, the internal mail system works.... |
| 03:17.59 | britt2 | justnulling2: lol...i noticed that too. you using the same config as me? |
| 03:18.05 | Frozen-Solid | ugh. stupid update >:| |
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| 03:18.38 | justnulling2 | britt2: i am using default config with root send to external host |
| 03:19.00 | pasha | hello |
| 03:19.17 | pasha | is there anyway to create debian cd iso from DVD iso |
| 03:19.18 | britt2 | britt2: huh? mail is sent to root, then routed to external host? |
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| 03:19.37 | ryan` | haha |
| 03:19.38 | lildude | thanks for helping me |
| 03:19.38 | Frozen-Solid | maher: any ideas? |
| 03:19.51 | maher | justnulling2: britt2 smtp delays often come dns lookups failing, check dns and reverse dns works |
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| 03:19.59 | ryan` | I set off the tempature alarm in the server room at work by walking in there and working for 10 minutes |
| 03:20.42 | maher | Frozen-Solid: either dl a public key, read the manual for how to over ride, or remove the source |
| 03:20.56 | jlmb | apt-get commands returns: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem". The problem is that if I do that, I end up configuring an looping configuration. |
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| 03:21.08 | jlmb | any ideas? |
| 03:21.09 | britt2 | maher: did you give up on me? |
| 03:21.11 | jaxxan | so let's say you're at work, and your boss is watching the network traffic to/from your ip address, is there anyway you can show what you're doing? like playing world of warcraft. |
| 03:21.23 | maher | britt2: check dns / reverse dns |
| 03:21.40 | jaxxan | erm,,, anyway to HIDE what you're doing (= |
| 03:22.08 | britt2 | maher: i have apache and ssh and telnet and ftp all working |
| 03:22.16 | britt2 | maher: i would say dns is working |
| 03:22.19 | maher | britt2: but does reverse dns work? |
| 03:22.27 | britt2 | maher: how do i check that |
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| 03:22.33 | maher | britt2: dig -x ip |
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| 03:23.19 | Xytek_ | Can anyone tell me how to get the alsa modules? for 2.4.27 ? |
| 03:23.31 | gravity | heh, lildude left |
| 03:23.33 | gravity | Yay! |
| 03:24.22 | britt2 | maher: i dont understand the output |
| 03:24.37 | maher | britt2: did it say something involving your hostname? |
| 03:25.17 | britt2 | maher: no...it's the DSL dns record...it didnt see my dns stuff from easydns |
| 03:25.32 | britt2 | maher: it's blahblah.bellsouth.net |
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| 03:25.41 | britt2 | and not domain.com |
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| 03:25.43 | justnulling2 | maher: when i run mail root from the host (host1.my.com) that should forward to my.com in the logs i see root@host1.my.com |
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| 03:25.54 | Xytek_ | msg dpkg alsa |
| 03:26.02 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 03:26.31 | yoo | i want read temperature of CPU with e17 modules |
| 03:26.32 | maher | britt2: if you do dig domainname do you get the right ip? |
| 03:26.36 | yoo | i configure acpi |
| 03:26.55 | yoo | but my /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty |
| 03:27.02 | yoo | Somebody can help me ! |
| 03:27.04 | britt2 | maher: yup |
| 03:27.08 | maher | justnulling2: is the mail going anywhere or sitting on the host with -53 errors? |
| 03:27.13 | yoo | cat /proc/acpi/info |
| 03:27.20 | yoo | version: 20050211 |
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| 03:27.26 | maher | britt2: and you have an MX record? |
| 03:27.28 | yoo | so acpi is OK |
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| 03:27.33 | britt2 | maher: yup |
| 03:27.45 | yoo | but not thermal_zone |
| 03:27.50 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 03:27.58 | britt2 | maher: it has worked before, i dont quite understand why it's not anymore unless it's some software thing i did wrong |
| 03:28.17 | aeronadix | holy smokes, linux' full featured web browsing is dispicable, makes me crazy |
| 03:28.32 | maher | britt2: are you in #flood? |
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| 03:29.25 | d | whats a good security channel/website? |
| 03:29.32 | SimonRaven | @tell miguelzinho -about root |
| 03:29.36 | justnulling2 | maher: where should it be /var/spool/exim4/ ? |
| 03:29.46 | aeronadix | is there something about web browsing that is totally proprietary and not included in Mozilla, or even netscapes free version, I think the problem is the same as why kde and gnome doesn't run well either |
| 03:29.49 | britt2 | maher: i will be |
| 03:30.02 | maher | justnulling2: yeah - check your dns / mx records work for the host |
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| 03:30.34 | justnulling2 | maher: what host host1.my.com or my.com? |
| 03:30.50 | maher | justnulling2: host1.my.com |
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| 03:31.16 | Xytek_ | Can anyone tell me how to get the alsa snd modules, for 2.4.27 kernel, please? |
| 03:31.21 | maher | justnulling2: well - i guess the other one too :) |
| 03:31.36 | justnulling2 | maher: there is no mx for host1.my.com all mail all should be forwated to root@my.com which has mx |
| 03:31.40 | maher | aeronadix: java, flash? |
| 03:31.50 | jlmb | apt-get commands returns: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem". The problem is that if I do that, I end up configuring an looping configuration. |
| 03:31.56 | aeronadix | maher, no it just run slow, and freezes all the time |
| 03:32.16 | aeronadix | maher, I don't care about java and flash even, just want it to run well |
| 03:32.30 | SimonRaven | jlmb: you should do what it says anyway. might need to run --configure on individual packages instead however |
| 03:33.31 | empty | how ca I make cdrecord use /dev/hdc? |
| 03:33.53 | SimonRaven | tell it to. man cdrecord |
| 03:33.58 | DoppelGanger | he he |
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| 03:34.17 | jlmb | SimonRaven: I did it. But I cannot configure it.The dialog configuration always says that install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz cannot be found. |
| 03:34.23 | aeronadix | empty, --device=/dev/hdc |
| 03:34.27 | miguelzinho | i changed from xdm to gdm, and now i only can log with root |
| 03:34.38 | SimonRaven | jlmb: wtf? |
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| 03:34.49 | SimonRaven | jlmb: what are trying to do? |
| 03:34.57 | empty | SimonRaven, aeronadix thanks |
| 03:35.00 | miguelzinho | logging with normal user give me permission denied to open display |
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| 03:35.04 | jlmb | SimonRaven: install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:35.12 | Xytek_ | Anyone? how to get the alsa snd modules? they're not there... I need the snd10k1 or w/e for my soundcard. |
| 03:35.37 | Guerin | Xytek_: use a 2.6 debian kernel |
| 03:35.38 | stew | Xytek_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 03:35.39 | aeronadix | when I tried to burn using cdrdao it says: error: can not get drive capabilities |
| 03:35.42 | SimonRaven | jlmb: NFC, sorry. seems it needs some tarball though |
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| 03:35.55 | jaxxan | so is there a way to conceal your network traffic from other network admins on the same network ? |
| 03:36.06 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
| 03:36.07 | Christophe971 | plop |
| 03:36.17 | Guerin | jaxxan: run it all through encrypted tunnels |
| 03:36.49 | Xytek_ | stew, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:37.02 | Xytek_ | Guerin, last time i used a 2.6 kernel, my network stopped working. |
| 03:37.19 | stew | Xytek_: install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:37.22 | Guerin | Xytek_: pebcak |
| 03:37.34 | aeronadix | what else make opengl so great besides zoomable icons, and what applications use opengl? |
| 03:37.50 | Guerin | aeronadix: fgi |
| 03:37.57 | jlmb | SimonRaven: thanks anyways. |
| 03:38.00 | aeronadix | Guerin, whats that? |
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| 03:38.48 | aeronadix | I wanna ask a gmail question anyone know where I can go, I was wondering if they have free webhosting like yahoo |
| 03:39.07 | Guerin | aeronadix: email them |
| 03:39.10 | SimonRaven | jlmb: good luck. maybe downloading that tarball to . and running that again? |
| 03:39.38 | jlmb | SimonRaven: Im about too do it. |
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| 03:40.20 | Xytek_ | stew, Thank-you, that worked :) |
| 03:40.20 | SimonRaven | aeronadix: no |
| 03:40.37 | aeronadix | SimonRaven, gmail doesn't have free webhosting? |
| 03:40.47 | stew | they do not |
| 03:40.55 | aeronadix | ok |
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| 03:41.51 | aeronadix | I wanna sell linux systems but I cant get a working full featured web browser working well like mozilla or netscape |
| 03:42.39 | stew | aeronadix: apt-get install mozilla-browser |
| 03:42.54 | Frozen-Solid | maher: okay i've finally gotten apt-get updated and upgraded..... but i'm still getting those errors on tasksel |
| 03:43.08 | fishhead | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~100324,00.html |
| 03:43.11 | aeronadix | stew, it doesn't run well, maybe it does on P4 |
| 03:43.19 | leminhteo | where can i find file log of debian? |
| 03:43.24 | stew | aeronadix: what does that mean? |
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| 03:44.02 | maher | Frozen-Solid: what did you want to install again? |
| 03:44.12 | SimonRaven | leminhteo: what kind of log file? start in /var/log for whatever log you want |
| 03:44.20 | aeronadix | stew, it mean that when I am on a page and it finally loads up, when I try to scroll down, it doesn't budge for at least 2mins |
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| 03:44.30 | shad0w1e | how do I grep my entire hard drive?? |
| 03:44.36 | maher | aeronadix: grep -R / |
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| 03:44.38 | SimonRaven | with grep |
| 03:44.40 | Phated | rgrep. |
| 03:44.44 | maher | shad0w1e: grep -R / |
| 03:44.48 | maher | aeronadix: sorry |
| 03:44.56 | Frozen-Solid | maher: trying to get x and a desktop manager up and running |
| 03:45.17 | aeronadix | Frozen-Solid, I have been there, god bless you |
| 03:45.27 | shad0w1e | awesome! thanks |
| 03:45.28 | stew | aeronadix: is it swapping? it shouldn't be like that. it should be much faster than that on a 486 even |
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| 03:45.50 | maher | Frozen-Solid: try apt-get install x-window-system gnome |
| 03:46.02 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... I tried to make a link and I failed... help? from /media/windows/My\ Documents/VIDEOS/ to /var/www/private |
| 03:46.10 | aeronadix | stew, really? I don't know if it swapping, even when I go to a password site, it takes for ever for the login window to pop up |
| 03:46.13 | Frozen-Solid | k. |
| 03:46.17 | TwistedEmotions | ln -d and what else? |
| 03:46.23 | Xylron | stew: fater than that on an 8086 even (if only debian supported that) |
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| 03:46.36 | Frozen-Solid | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.39 | Xylron | s/fater/faster/ |
| 03:46.56 | TwistedEmotions | I got ln -d /media/windows/My\ Documents/VIDEOS/ ln: creating hard link `./VIDEOS' to `/media/windows/My Documents/VIDEOS/': Invalid cross-device link |
| 03:47.04 | aeronadix | maher: apt-get install x-windows-system gnome, will install the first and then the second? could just as same do it two lines? |
| 03:47.36 | maher | aeronadix: it will install the stuff you list after the install word - you could do it on two lines |
| 03:47.53 | stew | aeronadix: how much real ram does your system have? |
| 03:48.09 | aeronadix | maher, cool, little things you don't realize you can do but is intersting to know |
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| 03:48.34 | aeronadix | stew, low ram, 64mb, but if I have windows IE installed it would run on it fine |
| 03:48.45 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? help with the link..? |
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| 03:49.10 | Guerin | don't bother running gnome on 64mb |
| 03:49.11 | aeronadix | stew, if when I had a p3 laptop with 256mb ram, kde, gnome, mozilla ran like crap |
| 03:49.17 | stew | aeronadix: yes it is probably swapping, you can verify that with vmstat |
| 03:49.24 | Guerin | xfce4 might work out for you |
| 03:49.44 | maher | TwistedEmotions: maybe it means you can't make hard links across file systems - also not all fs's support hard inks |
| 03:49.59 | aeronadix | stew, I don't wanna try and open it again, it drives me nuts, I wish dillo or links2 development would progress real fast |
| 03:50.15 | TwistedEmotions | maher: I thought so... but they my friend did it earlier.. and it works with no problems.. |
| 03:50.54 | maher | TwistedEmotions: dunno |
| 03:50.57 | jlmb | SimonRaven: Well, it seems to be broken down here. Anyone running unstable willing to install flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 03:51.43 | stew | jlmb: did you check the bts? |
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| 03:51.46 | SimonRaven | jlmb: see the BTS, maybe it has a clue. bugs.debian.org |
| 03:52.10 | jlmb | stew: yup. Nothing recent. |
| 03:52.19 | jlmb | Not even changes to the package |
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| 03:55.24 | aeronadix | stew, it is swapping I guess, I openned it and my vmstat reported the buffer - doubled from ~600 to ~1200 |
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| 03:56.49 | nate_ | anyone know what program debian uses to test password complexity? |
| 03:57.24 | nate_ | I need to call it from a shell script |
| 03:57.33 | yumeng | Hi,all .i want make a web server , what file system using is better? |
| 03:57.45 | needsome_help | question for anyone-->every time i get to installing the base system the program immediately says the step failed...any ideas?? |
| 03:57.48 | maher | yumeng: ext3 |
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| 03:59.01 | nate_ | no one knows? |
| 03:59.04 | yumeng | maher: xfs?? |
| 03:59.31 | maher | yumeng: that is also a file system |
| 03:59.45 | needsome_help | can anyone point me in the right direction for a base system install failing every time? i checked the cd integrity and its fine |
| 04:00.14 | aeronadix | needsome_help, just install online using apt-get, what system are you using online? |
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| 04:00.48 | needsome_help | i didn't know i could do it online |
| 04:00.52 | needsome_help | what system? |
| 04:00.57 | needsome_help | winxp |
| 04:01.04 | DoppelGanger | :) |
| 04:01.39 | yumeng | maher: which of these is better? |
| 04:01.47 | aeronadix | needsome_help, download the floppies from debian site, and follow those directions for base install, it is easy, and you should have a system in 1 hrt |
| 04:01.59 | maher | yumeng: how many different file systems have you used? |
| 04:02.25 | aeronadix | needsome_help, I can't imagine why the cd's aren't working though from what you have mentioned |
| 04:03.09 | yumeng | maher: Only used ext3 |
| 04:03.15 | needsome_help | ok thanks |
| 04:03.31 | maher | yumeng: well why not stick with ext3? |
| 04:03.47 | aeronadix | needsome_help, you prob didn't partitiion you harddisk probably, did you do autopartition or what? |
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| 04:04.30 | Xytek | Can anyone tell me whats wrong with this line? deb-src http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 04:04.35 | hyde_ | what's the difference between hummingbird exceed and Reflection X? |
| 04:04.39 | hyde_ | which one is better? anyone knows? |
| 04:04.40 | Xytek | I can't seem to recieve the java-package. |
| 04:05.03 | Frozen-Solid | okay i got x-window-system installed, but it's not letting me install gnome |
| 04:05.35 | kofj | try gnome-core |
| 04:05.46 | kofj | if you have only the first iso image |
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| 04:06.20 | Frozen-Solid | i'm running on the barest of bareinstalls with no isos 8) |
| 04:06.36 | Frozen-Solid | as in i had a kernel and a file system |
| 04:06.42 | chealer | Frozen-Solid: what's not letting you install it? |
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| 04:06.46 | aeronadix | Xylron, where is that file located again? |
| 04:06.57 | kofj | check your source.list |
| 04:07.00 | aeronadix | Xylron, /etc/? |
| 04:07.10 | Frozen-Solid | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.13 | Xylron | which file? |
| 04:07.25 | Frozen-Solid | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.34 | kofj | Frozen-Solid: are you using a unstable source.list????? |
| 04:07.42 | Frozen-Solid | uh. probably. |
| 04:07.45 | chealer | Frozen-Solid: what's your release? |
| 04:07.46 | aeronadix | Xylron, the file that has the line you wanted to get verified |
| 04:07.48 | Frozen-Solid | i mean yes. |
| 04:08.07 | chealer | Frozen-Solid: reinstall sarge |
| 04:08.08 | kofj | Frozen-Solid:you should install sarge first,then upgrade to sid |
| 04:08.22 | Frozen-Solid | kofj: it was sarge by default... and i've upgraded to sid |
| 04:08.22 | Xylron | that is xytek, not xylron |
| 04:08.26 | chealer | !sid upgrade |
| 04:08.26 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 04:08.30 | aeronadix | Xylron, source.list |
| 04:08.43 | Frozen-Solid | i dont need to hear about sid. i know what sid is |
| 04:08.53 | kofj | Frozen-Solid:apt-get update &apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:09.03 | Xylron | ****Xytek*****(not xylron)Can anyone tell me whats wrong with this line? deb-src http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 04:09.12 | Frozen-Solid | i just updated and just upgraded |
| 04:09.25 | Frozen-Solid | i've had sid running for a few weeks now |
| 04:09.38 | Xylron | -->|Xytek (~eric@CPE000f3d513159-CM014290121721.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #debian |
| 04:09.38 | aeronadix | Xylron, I don't think you need the 'contrib' at the end |
| 04:09.43 | Frozen-Solid | now i'd like x and a wm running, which it's not letting me do |
| 04:09.46 | kofj | Frozen-Solid: maybe there is sth wrong with the sid source,wait for some days |
| 04:10.27 | Frozen-Solid | E: Package libexif10 has no installation candidate <- if i try to apt-get install eog like gnome-core says it's missing, it tells me i'm missing this |
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| 04:11.06 | kofj | Frozen-Solid:gnome-core depends on x-windows-system-core |
| 04:11.11 | yumeng | maher: Sorry, My english is very poor,i will use large hard disk, and to handle small file. ext3 stable? and performance?i don't tested in practice. |
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| 04:11.30 | Frozen-Solid | E: Couldn't find package x-windows-system-core |
| 04:11.47 | Frozen-Solid | i already installed x-windows-system, if that's what you're talking about |
| 04:11.53 | chealer | !tell yumeng about fs comparison |
| 04:11.54 | kofj | Frozen-Solid: try x-window-system-core ? my fault ,maybe |
| 04:11.57 | jlmb | wihout "s" |
| 04:12.00 | chealer | yumeng: yes, stable |
| 04:12.07 | jlmb | wops |
| 04:12.11 | Frozen-Solid | x-window-system-core is already the newest version. |
| 04:12.12 | aeronadix | Freak, take it easy, why are you trying to install the core, it didnt install when you did apt-get install x-windows-system? |
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| 04:12.54 | aeronadix | Freak, sorry |
| 04:12.54 | kofj | Frozen-Solid: ... |
| 04:13.04 | aeronadix | Frozen-Solid, , take it easy, why are you trying to install the core, it didnt install when you did apt-get install x-windows-system? |
| 04:13.16 | Frozen-Solid | it did install. |
| 04:13.18 | yumeng | thanks |
| 04:13.19 | Frozen-Solid | kofj told me to install core |
| 04:13.30 | Frozen-Solid | i already installed x-window-system, which gave me core |
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| 04:13.38 | Frozen-Solid | now i want ot install gnome, which it's having dependency issues |
| 04:14.36 | cor_ | Hi, i need to configurate my xfree settings... what i have to do? :S |
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| 04:14.42 | stouset | !drxx |
| 04:14.42 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! |
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| 04:15.37 | cor_ | thanks |
| 04:15.50 | kofj | Frozen-Solid: It's incredible problem ,try install your system again ,sarge first ,then dist-upgrade |
| 04:16.02 | stouset | Frozen-Solid: Are you running unstable? |
| 04:16.08 | Frozen-Solid | yes i am stouset |
| 04:16.23 | stouset | Frozen-Solid: Welcome to sid =P |
| 04:16.39 | yumeng | thanks , dpkg |
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| 04:17.32 | dbk | w dave |
| 04:17.37 | Frozen-Solid | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> <- ugh now when i try to update it says this |
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| 04:19.03 | stouset | Frozen-Solid: Do you have the Debian Archive key in your apt keyring? |
| 04:19.11 | Frozen-Solid | i have no idea? |
| 04:19.28 | Frozen-Solid | it was working 10 minutes ago |
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| 04:20.05 | Frozen-Solid | cuz now i'm getting 404s on the packages dist-upgrade wants |
| 04:20.15 | stouset | Frozen-Solid: As I said, welcome to sid. |
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| 04:20.24 | Frozen-Solid | yeah i know, and i hate that i have to run sid :( |
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| 04:20.30 | stouset | Have to? |
| 04:20.43 | Frozen-Solid | uh huh. well, if i want any piece of the box i'm runningit on to work |
| 04:20.50 | stouset | And it's not that big a deal; I've run it on my desktop without problems for at least three years. |
| 04:20.55 | Frozen-Solid | it's not your standard PC |
| 04:21.20 | stouset | Explain? |
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| 04:21.45 | Frozen-Solid | i'm running debian on a gamecube -- you take a very very basic debian install, make an image file of the partition, and load it onto your gamecube. |
| 04:21.53 | Frozen-Solid | then you install from the ground up |
| 04:22.01 | gravity | Neat |
| 04:22.07 | Frozen-Solid | it's quite fun |
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| 04:22.18 | Frozen-Solid | now i'm trying to get x running on it, even though the framebuffer isn't finished (colors are wrong) |
| 04:22.24 | stouset | Frozen-Solid: Why does it have to run unstable? Wouldn't Etch work? |
| 04:22.27 | gravity | I have a cube too, although I haven't looked in to putting Debian on it |
| 04:22.40 | Frozen-Solid | gravity: gc-linux.org |
| 04:22.54 | gravity | Thanks |
| 04:23.05 | Frozen-Solid | stouset: because all the libs and such to get it running are based out of sid |
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| 04:23.27 | Frozen-Solid | the few custom pieces of it require sid to run |
| 04:23.51 | squidink | where can i find the kernel config for the default kernel on the netinst disc? |
| 04:24.01 | squidink | (stable, that is) |
| 04:24.10 | _root_ | I am having an parallel printer connected to my computer and using cups 1.1.23.. but lpinfo -v dosent shows "direct parallel:/dev/lp0" entry.. the kernel loads only module parport.. can anybody help me?? |
| 04:24.29 | Frozen-Solid | dont ask me, i'm still somewhat of a newbie ... i just know that in order to get mplayer, the gc mplayer front end, and whatnot i needed to change to sid |
| 04:24.54 | Frozen-Solid | and now i update and it works... no key errors |
| 04:24.55 | Frozen-Solid | wtf |
| 04:25.20 | Frozen-Solid | yet still get 404s on dist-upgrade |
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| 04:25.47 | Xytek | Will the sun-java work with Konqueror? or should I install an alternate browser (firefox/Mozilla)? |
| 04:26.12 | chealer | haha, getting mplayer is one lame excuse to ask for sid support |
| 04:26.51 | Frozen-Solid | chealer: it's not just mplayer, it's the SDL which is also how you run just abotu EVERYTHING on the gamecube at the moment |
| 04:26.58 | Frozen-Solid | as the framebuffer's still not finished or something |
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| 04:27.43 | stouset | Frozen-Solid: SDL is in Etch. Hell, it's in Sarge. |
| 04:27.52 | Frozen-Solid | no, the gc requires a custom sdl driver |
| 04:28.11 | Aonelyn | i screwed up on a knoppix installation, how do i clear all the files off the hd |
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| 04:28.26 | stouset | Frozen-Solid: And I still don't see why it can't use Etch. Etch is what, two weeks behind sid? |
| 04:28.51 | Frozen-Solid | i coudl try it, but is it possible to change from sid to etch without redoing everything? |
| 04:29.10 | auk | weilawei: ping |
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| 04:29.59 | stouset | Frozen-Solid: Not really. Did I mention welcome to sid :-P |
| 04:30.08 | Frozen-Solid | weeeeeeeeeeee :D |
| 04:30.16 | Frozen-Solid | okay tiem to ghetto install this and hope i dont break it |
| 04:30.37 | Frozen-Solid | if ti cant find libexif10, i'll find it myself |
| 04:30.51 | auk | weilawei: what, specifically, did you have dpkg message me about? |
| 04:31.38 | auk | !karma auk |
| 04:31.39 | dpkg | auk has neutral karma |
| 04:31.43 | auk | still? |
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| 04:32.03 | trend | hello.. where would be a good place to ask email routing issues? |
| 04:32.26 | squidink | anyone know where I can find the .config for the standard kernel on the 3.1 netinst CD? |
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| 04:32.57 | wobbler | Frozen-Solid: libexif10 is in testing and stable |
| 04:33.08 | wobbler | but not in sid |
| 04:33.24 | Frozen-Solid | wobbler: yeah i'm going to gank it from packages.debian.whatnot |
| 04:34.15 | wobbler | Frozen-Solid: i would try changing my sources to testing and see if you can get what you need |
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| 04:34.35 | Frozen-Solid | uh. k. |
| 04:35.13 | wobbler | Frozen-Solid: probobly most of what will work for you has been moved to testing by now |
| 04:35.25 | Frozen-Solid | and that wont break sid? |
| 04:35.32 | chealer | squidink: in the kernel-image .deb, I guess |
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| 04:36.00 | wobbler | Frozen-Solid: it could but who knows because you have a minimal install |
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| 04:36.43 | wobbler | Frozen-Solid: good luck |
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| 04:36.48 | chealer | Frozen-Solid: it won't break it if it's already broken. it won't fix it though |
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| 04:36.57 | Xytek | If im browsing with firefox, and it says additional plugins are needed (flash player).. can I install it directly through firefox, or do I need ot use an apt-get? |
| 04:37.04 | Frozen-Solid | gnome-core is installing :D |
| 04:37.22 | chealer | Xytek: I think you can do it both ways for flash |
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| 04:38.04 | Xytek | Well, im going to try through firefox first, I've already installed Java.. so I'll just see what happens, I'm sure it cant hurt anything. |
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| 04:38.15 | squidink | chealer: thanks, but there is no deb for it - it boots off that kernel. not sure if its the same as the kernel in the deb, but I'd guess not |
| 04:38.37 | Xytek | It failed. |
| 04:38.38 | Xytek | :/ |
| 04:39.06 | Xytek | I guess Ill see what happens after downloading the tarball ;) |
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| 04:41.23 | michaeln | whats the best way to install ruby? |
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| 04:43.12 | gravity | michaeln: aptitude install ruby |
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| 04:43.22 | gravity | michaeln: Same way you install any other package |
| 04:43.32 | chealer | michaeln: installing the debian package, presumably |
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| 04:44.04 | chealer | Xytek: did you figure out your question about your sources.list line? |
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| 04:46.30 | Xytek | Yes indeed. |
| 04:46.40 | Xytek | I forgot to do apt-get update :P |
| 04:47.06 | jdrake | When compiling at ati driver for x11, i get two include files not found: X11/extensions/xf86misc.h and xf86mscstr.h. Any ideas what package those would be in? |
| 04:47.33 | Xytek | Now I'm wondering is there any Audio programs, that will allow you to listen to Online Radio stations, Like shoutcast style servers, for winamp? |
| 04:47.57 | Xytek | Or if I wanted to listen to www.di.fm etc.. |
| 04:48.19 | kofj | jdrake : try apt-file search ,but you should install apt-file first ,maybe curl later |
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| 04:49.16 | jdrake | curl is god :p |
| 04:49.31 | chealer | Xytek: I'd guess that depends the format of the stream. yes, there are |
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| 04:50.34 | Frozen-Solid | well fuck. |
| 04:50.39 | Frozen-Solid | uh... |
| 04:50.47 | Frozen-Solid | that gnome install jsut used up my entire image file |
| 04:50.53 | Frozen-Solid | is there a way to resize a linux image file? |
| 04:50.57 | Xytek | Nevermind lol, it turns out, KDE comes with a program which can read the pls files, i never tried. but :), XMMS can connect to the stations :) |
| 04:50.57 | Frozen-Solid | aka: make it bigger |
| 04:51.17 | Frozen-Solid | /dev/nbd0 1008M 1008M 0 100% / :( |
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| 04:51.56 | WiFiTux | is there an app that would allow me to tell it to shutdown the PC in 20 minutes or, any time? |
| 04:52.07 | chealer | WiFiTux: at? |
| 04:52.08 | WiFiTux | oh nevermind.. :) shutdown does that... ;/ |
| 04:52.18 | WiFiTux | heh |
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| 04:52.28 | michaeln | how do i make sure my version of debian is fully up to date? i updated my sources.list and ran apt-get update |
| 04:52.40 | WiFiTux | michaeln: then it is. |
| 04:53.00 | chealer | michaeln: what's your version? |
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| 04:53.19 | michaeln | im trying to install a package called "rails" that should be in sarge, but when i do apt-cache search rails, nothing comes up |
| 04:53.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You there? Fixed up my webpage.. about to try to put in frames.. errr... hope it's not tough. |
| 04:53.29 | michaeln | i installed the debian 3.1 net install |
| 04:53.44 | jdrake | is there a way to get apt-file to ignore one of the entries in sources.lst? |
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| 04:54.00 | dbernar1 | michaeln: /msg dpkg info rails |
| 04:54.01 | chealer | !info rails sarge |
| 04:54.05 | ke6isf | jdrake: comment it or delete it. |
| 04:54.07 | Xenguy | jk: comment the line... |
| 04:54.08 | gravity | michaeln: It's not in sarge |
| 04:54.08 | chealer | michaeln: rails isn't in sarge |
| 04:54.11 | michaeln | oh |
| 04:54.23 | michaeln | wrong info from ruby channel then =P |
| 04:54.24 | michaeln | thanks |
| 04:54.39 | gravity | That's a shame. I thought it had made it in. |
| 04:54.41 | chealer | michaeln: you don't need to update your sources.list. use apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 04:54.59 | Xenguy | chealer: depends on the version of debian |
| 04:55.19 | jdrake | i am definitely learning a lot today about debian that I haven't known in 7 odd years of using it here or there (that would amount to having it installed for no more than 4 months during that time) |
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| 04:55.27 | Hades-302 | hi |
| 04:55.30 | chealer | Xenguy: I'm not sure what you mean, but he's using 3.1 |
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| 04:55.40 | Xenguy | chealer: oh, stable? |
| 04:55.47 | Hades-302 | hi can i pls get some help |
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| 04:55.48 | Frozen-Solid | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1073741824 Aug 3 2005 cube.rootfs <- so i have this root file system image that my gameucbe reads, that's the debian install... standard linux partition image -- acn i make it bigger somehow? |
| 04:55.51 | Xenguy | chealer: if so, nod :-) |
| 04:55.58 | chealer | Xenguy: hopefully :) |
| 04:56.10 | Xenguy | chealer: sometimes that happens ;-) |
| 04:56.18 | WiFiTux | shutdown -t 400 -h 400 should halt in 400 seconds? |
| 04:56.19 | Hades-302 | i am tring to install debian and i get this error Failed to copy file from CDROM. |
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| 04:56.34 | michaeln | thanks |
| 04:56.41 | WiFiTux | Hades-302: me too :(, is bad media or a crappy CD-Drive |
| 04:56.49 | Hades-302 | on load installer components |
| 04:56.53 | chealer | Xenguy: sorry, what happens? |
| 04:57.00 | Hades-302 | o ok |
| 04:57.07 | rking | do dvd's created with growisofs generally work on Winders(TM) machines? |
| 04:57.15 | Hades-302 | it is a cd-rw |
| 04:57.17 | Hades-302 | im using |
| 04:57.20 | Hades-302 | does that m8r |
| 04:57.24 | WiFiTux | Hades-302: most likely crappy |
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| 04:57.36 | Xenguy | chealer: don't let the details confuse ;-) Not everyone runs stable (as recommended) -- that's all :-) |
| 04:57.56 | Hades-302 | kk |
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| 04:58.22 | Hades-302 | how can i eject the cdrom |
| 04:58.32 | Xenguy | Hades-302: eject |
| 04:58.34 | Mutacion | eject <-- |
| 04:58.36 | Hades-302 | when in install prosec |
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| 04:58.44 | chealer | Xenguy: aha :S |
| 04:58.48 | Hades-302 | eject button dont work |
| 04:59.14 | ke6isf | Hades-302: No, the command eject. |
| 04:59.18 | miguelzinho | I made some key maps in vim, is ther a way that i take my configurations changed and save them? |
| 04:59.20 | Hades-302 | kk |
| 04:59.20 | Xenguy | Hades-302: type this --> eject |
| 04:59.25 | Hades-302 | will try it |
| 04:59.57 | jdrake | what if apt-file reports a file being in something like 'xlibs-static-dev', apt-get saying that package is updated, but the file does not exist? |
| 05:00.10 | wobbler | Hades-302: if eject doesnt work use /usr/bin/eject |
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| 05:00.36 | chealer | jdrake: try to reinstall it? |
| 05:00.40 | Hades-302 | i have tried a good cd of it |
| 05:00.49 | Hades-302 | and still says that error |
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| 05:00.58 | Hades-302 | at same place |
| 05:01.06 | ke6isf | Hades-302: And if it *still* doesn't work, 'apt-get install eject' and type eject. |
| 05:01.22 | Hades-302 | i mean the cd media |
| 05:01.27 | Hades-302 | i tried diffrent one |
| 05:01.31 | Hades-302 | still same error |
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| 05:02.05 | Xytek | Does anyone know if Wine, can/will run a game called gunzonline? It couldnt run steam, because steam needs ActiveX |
| 05:02.55 | Xenguy | Xytek: one place to check -> http://frankscorner.org |
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| 05:03.29 | Hades-302 | can i install over the internet |
| 05:03.31 | Xenguy | Xytek: also the main WINE site has a dbase AFAIK |
| 05:03.33 | Hades-302 | debian |
| 05:03.40 | starscalling | so. im so fuxxored. and BELIEVE ME i read the man's and googled the hell out of this. |
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| 05:04.03 | starscalling | im trying to set up vsftpd to do fxp on a remote server and it refuses. |
| 05:04.25 | aeronadix | what is /dev/rtc? |
| 05:04.27 | starscalling | any clue at all what i could do or what i might be doing wrong? i tried setting in the config: |
| 05:04.37 | jdrake | If I update from sarge to etch will I have to recompile my custom kernel + a new initrd? |
| 05:04.44 | Xytek | Xenguy, would you know anything about Installing the Linux Video Drivers by nVidia (off www.nvidia.com) or should the kernel come with drivers that will work fine? |
| 05:05.00 | Hades-302 | can debian be installed from ftp |
| 05:05.01 | chealer | jdrake: why would you need to? |
| 05:05.04 | aeronadix | nvidia is bitch with linux |
| 05:05.28 | jdrake | chealer, it is a question with non-obvious factors |
| 05:05.42 | starscalling | pasv_promiscuous and port_promiscuous to no avail |
| 05:05.48 | chealer | Hades-302: that's what the netinstall is for. use a ~100MB base CD |
| 05:05.49 | Xytek | @_@ the file extension is .run I have no idea, due to the fact im new to linux, I know the basics and thats about it |
| 05:05.50 | ravenbird | okay, Xytek |
| 05:05.50 | wobbler | jdrake: no you wont |
| 05:06.00 | chealer | Hades-302: and download the rest from the net |
| 05:06.13 | Hades-302 | i have the 180meg cd |
| 05:06.20 | Xenguy | !test |
| 05:06.20 | dpkg | Yes, xenguy, you're still online. |
| 05:06.25 | jdrake | thank you |
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| 05:06.34 | starscalling | and the erros i keep getting are: 550 Could not get file size. |
| 05:06.39 | coywolf | !debugfs |
| 05:06.40 | aeronadix | I created a new user on my system, then I tried to use mplayer, but it crashes with the new user, and I already did #adduser user audio, but it has trouble with accessing sound |
| 05:06.47 | starscalling | and |
| 05:06.47 | starscalling | 500 Illegal EPRT command. |
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| 05:07.51 | mage | i can get a shell from a debian netinst cd right? |
| 05:08.13 | Phated | Alt-F2. |
| 05:08.32 | starscalling | anyone? please help me >_< |
| 05:08.38 | mage | thx |
| 05:08.50 | aeronadix | how do I add a user to have access to a file, if I do chown user filename, then the other user no longer has access to that file, how can I just add a another user to the file ownership, without losing ownership to the original user? |
| 05:09.02 | rixth | Just chmod it |
| 05:09.09 | dabaR | starscalling: keep your message in one message so its easier to read for one... |
| 05:09.26 | starscalling | im doing my best, sorry dabaR |
| 05:09.41 | BourneAgain1 | Is there a version of BASH in stable for debian that has enhanced debugging support? |
| 05:09.43 | dabaR | no need to bne sorry, just pointing out my conclusion. |
| 05:10.03 | rixth | aeronadix, http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/chmodcal3.shtml |
| 05:10.06 | zl2tod | is the debian-mirrors mailing list moribund ? |
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| 05:10.23 | rixth | aeronadix, chmod *you chmod number* *your file* |
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| 05:11.26 | auf | masuk |
| 05:11.28 | auf | nesh |
| 05:11.38 | aeronadix | rixth, I am talking about chown, not chmod |
| 05:11.52 | starscalling | so basically would anyone have any experience setting up vsftpd in debian for fxp transfers? |
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| 05:12.00 | exobyte | when I start a dialup connection for the first time after boot, this happens: http://pastebin.ca/19165 (failure). Subsequent tries are fine and look like http://pastebin.ca/19166 . Ideas? |
| 05:12.16 | zl2tod | aeronadix, you could also create a group that contains both users, and give that group ownership of the file and set the group permissions approriately |
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| 05:12.33 | rixth | zl2tod, way is a better way of saying it |
| 05:12.41 | rixth | zl2tod's way |
| 05:13.09 | mwilson | starscalling: Gotta move those warez around, huh? |
| 05:13.20 | starscalling | lol naw, anime mwilson |
| 05:13.28 | mwilson | There's a difference? |
| 05:13.31 | starscalling | yes. |
| 05:13.43 | mwilson | Really. And what might that be? |
| 05:13.46 | starscalling | but thats a disgussion for animesuki i would think. |
| 05:13.51 | aeronadix | zl2tod, when I create a new user, what can I do to make that user have all the same permission to all files of the previous user, or how do I do what you said? |
| 05:13.55 | starscalling | the differences are two: |
| 05:14.30 | starscalling | 1. the anime companies dont really care about the anime's im doing, and 2. its not liscensed in the usa. |
| 05:14.58 | mwilson | I doubt #1 is true, and #2 certainly doesn't have anything to do with the reality of what you're doing. |
| 05:15.00 | aeronadix | man mplayer works for old user, and not for my new user. it crashes when it tries to start sound |
| 05:15.31 | Frozen-Solid | i have an image file of a linux partition and have it mounted -- is it possible to make that image file bigger as i've filled it up and ran out of space :( |
| 05:15.42 | aeronadix | How do you change a users, username and password? |
| 05:15.49 | Aonelyn | does wine work for knoppix |
| 05:15.54 | coywolf | !find debugfs |
| 05:16.00 | mwilson | Aonelyn: #knoppix |
| 05:16.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'debugfs' (5 of 16): (/sbin/debugfs) in base/e2fsprogs ;; (/sbin/jfs_debugfs) in admin/jfsutils ;; (/sbin/debugfs.reiser4) in admin/reiser4progs ;; (/usr/include/linux/debugfs.h) in devel/linux-kernel-headers ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-9/include/linux/debugfs.h) in devel/kernel-headers-2.6.11-9. |
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| 05:16.17 | chealer | aeronadix: a file can only have 1 user owner |
| 05:16.26 | starscalling | mwilson: im creating a market for something that has not and may not be released in the usa, and i participate in a way where when they ask for removal or a c&d i do so, which i have never had to do. |
| 05:16.32 | Manoj_ | aeronadix, passwd username should work |
| 05:16.45 | Manoj_ | if you are already logging in as the yser, just passwd |
| 05:16.48 | mwilson | starscalling: Uh huh. Yeah, right. You're a pirate. Get used to it. |
| 05:17.01 | glasse | mwilson: "Copyright infringer", please |
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| 05:17.27 | aeronadix | Manoj_, But won't that only change the password and not the username too? |
| 05:17.31 | starscalling | mwilson i have plenty of stuff that they would care about but that is not going to be going into the picture in this particular box. |
| 05:17.42 | starscalling | glasse they are the same |
| 05:17.56 | mwilson | glasse: <shrug> He's a thief. It's unfortunate his parents did such a poor job on his morals, but there you are. |
| 05:17.58 | chealer | aeronadix: try man usermod |
| 05:17.59 | glasse | starscalling: No, a pirate sails the seven seas with a parrot and an eyepatch |
| 05:18.07 | Manoj_ | aeronadix, well, there is no direct way of changing username. however, vipw and vigr should help |
| 05:18.08 | starscalling | _some_ do so glasse |
| 05:18.13 | starscalling | :D |
| 05:18.30 | aeronadix | chealer, you did it |
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| 05:18.38 | empty | OK, I think I see the problem now. This thing has a USB CDROM and I think the kernel is thinking the CD is sda (and the 2 drives are b and c) when the CD is in and when it reboots w/ no cd it considers the disks a and b |
| 05:18.38 | glasse | mwilson: You can call him morally bankrupt if you like, but there's a definition for theft and there's a definition of copyright infringement, and there's a difference, and you're confusing the issue |
| 05:18.45 | aeronadix | Manoj_, usermod -l changes the username |
| 05:18.45 | empty | hence my pivots fucking up |
| 05:19.03 | Manoj_ | aeronadix, so I notice |
| 05:19.06 | chealer | Manoj_: it probably doesn't do all you'd expect, as Manoj_ said |
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| 05:19.20 | ke6isf | glasse: Are you an attorney? |
| 05:19.30 | zl2tod | aeronadix, look at the man adduser (which is the same as addgroup) |
| 05:19.32 | starscalling | the point stands that there is no money changing hands, except to the isp's and the data centers, so please dont think i will back off from my place of goodness |
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| 05:19.48 | glasse | ke6isf: No, why? |
| 05:19.53 | ke6isf | glasse: Just checking. |
| 05:20.03 | mwilson | What does whether or not any money changes hands have to do with it? |
| 05:20.08 | starscalling | ke6isf that is why i said its a disgussion for animesuki, as those ebil ppl flourish there. |
| 05:20.08 | chealer | so Manoj_ has been downgraded to lusers support now. soon we're going to see gravity here :) |
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| 05:20.27 | empty | so how would I fix that? I can't find anything in bios but I seem to recall a kernel argument that works around that sort of thing |
| 05:20.36 | Manoj_ | starscalling, do have the legal right to distribute any copyrighted works you are distributing? |
| 05:20.40 | Xytek | Anyone know if theres a system info like script for xchat, displays your os info uptime etc? |
| 05:20.47 | gravity | chealer: ? |
| 05:21.04 | starscalling | as long as there is no money changing hands, even though its copywritten, since its not liscensed there is nothing they could do other than tie me up in court. |
| 05:21.05 | gravity | chealer: I'm like always here :-) I was here before I was a DD |
| 05:21.09 | fishhead | http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/277/27767.html <--- that is so cool hahahaha |
| 05:21.16 | Manoj_ | chealer, the end is near. |
| 05:21.19 | mwilson | starscalling: I think you believe that. That's really sad. |
| 05:21.23 | chealer | gravity: hehe. you'll always stay downgraded :) |
| 05:21.34 | ke6isf | starscalling: One, if you don't have the right per the statement, you don't have the right period. |
| 05:21.37 | mwilson | gravity! Where's -5 ? :) |
| 05:21.38 | gravity | hehe |
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| 05:21.41 | muk_amd64 | hey sup |
| 05:21.44 | J-Ph | does evdev work with xfree? for my mx510 |
| 05:21.46 | empty | starscalling, the money is irrelevant |
| 05:21.46 | gravity | mwilson: Waiting on linux-kernel-headers |
| 05:21.49 | Manoj_ | starscalling, do have the legal right to distribute any copyrighted works you are distributing? |
| 05:21.52 | chealer | Manoj_: real issues are too complex now? :) |
| 05:21.55 | starscalling | no empty its not. |
| 05:21.57 | ke6isf | starscalling: two, it's "copyrighted". "Copywritten" is the past tense of "copywrite", and that's WAY different. |
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| 05:22.04 | muk_amd64 | what makes debian different than other distros? |
| 05:22.12 | gravity | muk_amd64: Our swirl |
| 05:22.12 | Manoj_ | starscalling, in other words, are you distributing software for which you do not have a license to distribute? |
| 05:22.13 | chealer | !tell muk_amd64 about why debian |
| 05:22.16 | mwilson | gravity: On headers? Why? |
| 05:22.22 | empty | starscalling, well, you say it is not, me, Title 17 of the US Code, and the DMCA say otherwise |
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| 05:22.28 | gravity | mwilson: They break the build. It's the most serious bug in the package. |
| 05:22.38 | muk_amd64 | thanks chealer |
| 05:22.46 | gravity | mwilson: Something isn't defined, or is ifdef'ed out or something. It's out of my hands |
| 05:22.47 | mwilson | gravity: It's your problem, or the headers problem? |
| 05:22.48 | muk_amd64 | gravity: it is a pretty logo, I have to say |
| 05:22.52 | ke6isf | starscalling: Besides, if it doesn't violate copyright, why haven't you bothered explaining this to those who hold copyright? |
| 05:22.55 | gravity | mwilson: Headers. Totally headers. |
| 05:22.55 | chealer | muk_amd64: thank the bot |
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| 05:23.09 | mwilson | Feh... more upgrading AROUND X. |
| 05:23.24 | ke6isf | starscalling: I'm sure they'd love to know that you're doing this without their permission. |
| 05:23.34 | starscalling | in order to do anything to me in fact, you must show loss of profit. but if i distrobute to an area where they do not have a liscense for it [i e they are not allowed to sell it] then they have no leg to stand on as long as i only distrobute to that area. |
| 05:23.41 | chealer | gravity: gotom didn't seem quite persuaded it was a *serious* header problem yet :) |
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| 05:23.59 | starscalling | and that is as easy as limiting the ipranges. |
| 05:23.59 | ke6isf | starscalling: Then the burden of proof is on you to explain that they have no right to sell. |
| 05:24.03 | starscalling | no. |
| 05:24.09 | mwilson | starscalling: Why in the world do they have to show loss of profit? Man, you've really drunk the koolaid, haven't you? |
| 05:24.12 | muk_amd64 | can you not use xorg instead of xfree86? |
| 05:24.14 | starscalling | the burden is on them to prove that they have a right to sell. |
| 05:24.15 | empty | starscalling, no, you don't ( assuming you are in the US) All you have to prove is unauthorized redistribution or even possession |
| 05:24.21 | chealer | muk_amd64: only in sid |
| 05:24.22 | starscalling | i am the defendant, this is the us. |
| 05:24.38 | muk_amd64 | and sid's unstable though |
| 05:24.38 | Manoj_ | starscalling, err, you can't distribute coyrighterd works without a license to do so even if no money changes hands |
| 05:24.42 | empty | starscalling, you are fucked then |
| 05:24.44 | ke6isf | starscalling: And as the defendant, you are required to provide proof to yoru side in the United States. |
| 05:24.44 | muk_amd64 | would it be usable? |
| 05:24.45 | chealer | muk_amd64: yes |
| 05:24.48 | chealer | muk_amd64: no |
| 05:24.50 | ke6isf | s/yoru/your |
| 05:24.56 | glasse | starscalling: "Beyond a shadow of a doubt" only applies in criminal charges. In civil cases, the rules are different. |
| 05:24.58 | muk_amd64 | lame =/ |
| 05:25.00 | gravity | chealer: Well, it's blocking a large chunk of the archive :-) |
| 05:25.01 | empty | starscalling, have you retained an IP attorney? |
| 05:25.05 | gravity | chealer: So I'd say it's pretty serious |
| 05:25.09 | mwilson | <sigh> I *so* wish the US mirrors would sync up. |
| 05:25.09 | starscalling | and yes, ive talked to compainies that i distrobute their products and told them the kind of volume i go through and asked if they really cared and they said no. |
| 05:25.12 | starscalling | its rather nice. |
| 05:25.15 | ke6isf | empty: Evidently not. |
| 05:25.22 | gravity | Gnome is hanging up on X.Org. X.Org won't transition until it builds -5. |
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| 05:25.26 | chealer | gravity: right, I fully agree |
| 05:25.27 | gravity | At least. |
| 05:25.28 | starscalling | try going to an anime convention some time lol |
| 05:25.42 | empty | starscalling, if it ain't in writing it ain't legal |
| 05:25.46 | ke6isf | starscalling: I use to *work* anime conventions. I'm one up on you. |
| 05:25.48 | chealer | I was thinking about KDE 3.4 (what else) myself |
| 05:25.58 | starscalling | yes empty its not legal |
| 05:26.11 | starscalling | and they do not have in writing permission to distrobute for profit here. |
| 05:26.43 | empty | what? |
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| 05:26.49 | empty | are they defendent or are you? |
| 05:26.50 | ke6isf | starscalling: Permission to sell in the US is not even copyright. |
| 05:27.03 | starscalling | i am more than aware of that ke6isf. |
| 05:27.12 | starscalling | the issue is not whether its copywritten. |
| 05:27.21 | ke6isf | starscalling: You're confusing two different issues. Copyright is the right to copy. Permission to sell is under jurisdiction of the United States Dept of Commerce. |
| 05:27.30 | starscalling | the issue is whether its liscensed, and whether they can then claim loss of profit. |
| 05:27.31 | ke6isf | starscalling: AND IT IS NOT COPYWRITTEN, THAT IS TO DO WITH ADVERTISING COPY. |
| 05:27.36 | mwilson | So... what were you saying about conventions? |
| 05:27.37 | Frozen-Solid | i have an image file of a linux partition and have it mounted -- is it possible to make that image file bigger as i've filled it up and ran out of space :( |
| 05:27.41 | ke6isf | starscalling: It is copyrighted. |
| 05:27.51 | empty | starscalling, you are fucked, seek counsel immediately. Your grasp of this matter is tenuous and based on fantasy |
| 05:27.56 | starscalling | well i meant to say its not liscensed. |
| 05:28.00 | starscalling | big whoop |
| 05:28.05 | starscalling | frankly empty |
| 05:28.09 | starscalling | i dont really care lol |
| 05:28.11 | ke6isf | starscalling: Then quit fscking confusing the terms! |
| 05:28.18 | starscalling | im not trying to ke6isf |
| 05:28.23 | starscalling | if i could get help with my problem |
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| 05:28.28 | Manoj_ | I think starscalling is just trolling |
| 05:28.38 | Manoj_ | and, people, you have been trolled. |
| 05:28.40 | starscalling | we could continue this disgussion some time that my air conditioning worked. |
| 05:28.42 | mwilson | starscalling: Your problem is that you want someone here to help you be a better pirate. |
| 05:28.48 | debianuser | i have a problem with sasl authentification... first thing.. where dose it write it's logs... i have log_love 7 but nothing in syslog |
| 05:28.55 | glasse | mwilson: "Copyright infringer". |
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| 05:29.07 | starscalling | Manoj_ im trying to get something fixed here.. talk to the ppl talking to me as this is a rather dead end disgussion. |
| 05:29.13 | empty | So anyway, how do I hardcode a certain SCSI drive as "sda"? |
| 05:29.27 | starscalling | hum |
| 05:29.40 | ke6isf | Manoj_: Tell me about it. No, don't. =^^= |
| 05:29.48 | starscalling | and i suppose mwilson that you have never infringed on a copywrite anywhere anytime? |
| 05:29.55 | starscalling | im curious. |
| 05:29.58 | mwilson | Manoj_: See, it's very important for people like him to use FXP, so that their own machines aren't actually involved in the transfer of copyrighted works. |
| 05:30.10 | starscalling | very wrong mwilson |
| 05:30.21 | starscalling | its important for speed of data transfer. |
| 05:30.33 | starscalling | which is why im here. |
| 05:30.40 | Manoj_ | FXP? |
| 05:30.43 | starscalling | yes. |
| 05:31.11 | mwilson | Manoj_: FTP from server to server, without involving a client. |
| 05:31.27 | mwilson | Manoj_: Some servers support it, others do not. |
| 05:31.37 | Manoj_ | mwilson, ah. I did not know that existed. |
| 05:31.45 | starscalling | yes. that exactly. i can do what i need to from here, but its rather hard given my local bandwidth bottleneck lol. |
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| 05:31.54 | mwilson | Manoj_: I always figured it was the warez crowd that came up with it. |
| 05:32.12 | starscalling | mwilson have you never thought of backing up a server? |
| 05:32.21 | ke6isf | mwilson: Sounds pretty much like a security hole. |
| 05:32.23 | mwilson | starscalling: What, the machines you've cracked to host this stuff don't have sufficient bandwidth? |
| 05:32.27 | jackal2 | isn't that like tftp? |
| 05:32.51 | starscalling | no mwilson it is a machine that i pay for, no 'cracking' 'hacking' or 'r00ting' involved. |
| 05:32.59 | mwilson | Sure it is. |
| 05:33.01 | starscalling | yes |
| 05:33.17 | starscalling | it sure is. and the darn thing is rather expensive if i may say so. |
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| 05:34.10 | linuxmen | i want with masquerading block access to all ports with some exceptions like port 21,22,80 |
| 05:34.14 | linuxmen | how to make it |
| 05:34.15 | linuxmen | :S |
| 05:34.25 | mwilson | linuxmen: www.netfilter.org |
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| 05:34.47 | linuxmen | mwilson i current reading it,, but, i cant understand |
| 05:34.48 | linuxmen | :S |
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| 05:35.01 | Shadowfax | OK |
| 05:35.06 | mwilson | wtf emoticon is ":S" supposed to be? |
| 05:35.19 | jdrake | I just upgraded to etch, I am trying to install xserver-xorg, but it says it is not available, but referred to by another package. I am not sure what I should do in this case. |
| 05:35.29 | mwilson | Etch isn't an upgrade. |
| 05:35.31 | Shadowfax | Anyone have any experience with VSFTPD being a retard and not allowing FXP even after setting pasv_promiscuous ? |
| 05:35.42 | starscalling | so. back to the point. i know vsftpd supports it. and i tried the options that are supposed to make it work. but when the one server asks the other for the size of the file [for instance dling something from lucasarts public ftp] it cannot get that information and ends up writing a null file. what could be the problem? |
| 05:36.00 | jdrake | stable to testing is it not? |
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| 05:36.12 | mwilson | jdrake: Stable to testing isn't an upgrade. |
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| 05:36.24 | jdrake | then what it is |
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| 05:37.48 | Frozen-Solid | i have a nbd-served root partition image file thing... but i've filled it up... can i make it bigger somehow? |
| 05:37.52 | aero | I am going crazy here! I am sending mail using mutt, for some reason mutt puts my systems shell username and password in front of the sender address in the from field of emails. I don't like that name, so I created a new user using my real name and my last name as the password, then I could send emails and it put my name in the from field. Then with my new user I could use mplayer. So I changed my shell username and password to my real name |
| 05:37.52 | aero | , but this time its still using my old shell username and password in the from field. I want to fix this by any means, The best means is to figure out how mutt choses what name to use in the from field, but I will change anything to fix. |
| 05:38.02 | aero | shit sorry |
| 05:38.40 | chealer | jdrake: it's changing release |
| 05:38.43 | mwilson | aero: And there was some reason why you didn't just tell mutt what it should use, rather than all of that? |
| 05:38.54 | glasse | jdrake: I don't think you can do anything until xserver-xorg transitions to testing |
| 05:39.12 | chealer | jdrake: xserver-xorg isn't in etch |
| 05:39.19 | aero | mwilson, I know, that is how I would rather do it, but I don't seem to have a .muttrc file |
| 05:39.36 | mwilson | aero: Why would you, until you create one? |
| 05:39.39 | aero | anyway I learned a lot about linux users, ownership and stuff |
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| 05:40.28 | linuxmen | i want with masquerading block access to all ports with some exceptions like port 21,22,80 |
| 05:40.33 | aero | mwilson, Ok, I will go away for a bit and read man muttrc, although it a pages and pages long |
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| 05:41.42 | mwilson | oooh, new a2ps. Wonder what the maintainer broke now... |
| 05:42.06 | mwilson | a2ps upstream hasn't changed in ages. |
| 05:42.17 | aero | mwilson, how come the new user I had created couldn't use mplayer, I did adduser username audio? |
| 05:42.28 | mwilson | aero: I have no idea, I wasn't there. |
| 05:43.04 | mwilson | Don't know what sound would have to do with not being able to run the mplayer binary, but again, I wasn't there. |
| 05:43.24 | aero | mwilson, it would crash when it would try to access sound or something |
| 05:43.46 | aero | mwilson, if a user isn't in the audio group, then mplayer crashes |
| 05:43.54 | kadigibox | how come I cannot apt-get install gobby? I am told its a package by the site |
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| 05:44.04 | linuxmen | i want with masquerading block access to all ports with some exceptions like port 21,22,80 |
| 05:44.06 | mwilson | aero: If you say so. I don't particularly use mplayer for much. |
| 05:44.17 | mwilson | !info gobby |
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| 05:44.20 | dpkg | gobby: (collaborative text editor), section net, is optional. Version: 0.2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 290 kB, Installed size: 924 kB |
| 05:44.23 | chealer | kadigibox: do you have sid sources? |
| 05:44.27 | aero | mwilson, you dont watch movies on your computer? |
| 05:44.39 | mwilson | aero: Gods, no. Why would I do something silly like that? |
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| 05:44.42 | kadigibox | oh.... I guess I cant do that then. I use sarge |
| 05:44.51 | Xytek | I installed sun java, but for some reason firefox says its not there, when I try to access a Java enabled page, any ideas? |
| 05:44.52 | starscalling | btw |
| 05:45.00 | aero | mwilson, I can't get dvd's to play either |
| 05:45.01 | starscalling | seems its not vsftpd |
| 05:45.09 | starscalling | its the program i was using to fxp |
| 05:45.12 | starscalling | :) |
| 05:45.28 | starscalling | o and ke6isf? |
| 05:45.29 | aero | mwilson, I don't have a tv in my room |
| 05:45.39 | starscalling | im up to a measly 2 TB :/ |
| 05:45.39 | mwilson | aero: Neither do I. |
| 05:45.42 | starscalling | well |
| 05:45.43 | starscalling | nn |
| 05:46.07 | linuxmen | :S |
| 05:46.08 | aero | mwilson, haha do you watch movies? |
| 05:46.16 | kadigibox | ok would there be a way for me to install from like a tarball but still be able to manage the prgram through dpkg or apt or whatever |
| 05:46.35 | kadigibox | or would I have to make it into a deb package to do that |
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| 05:46.50 | mwilson | aero: Occasionally... I go out to the living room, put a DVD in the player, and stretch out on the couch. |
| 05:47.35 | chealer | kadigibox: you need to have a .deb for that |
| 05:48.06 | aero | mwilson, all I have a room |
| 05:48.19 | debSarge | I modified my sources.list to append links for unstable distribution. I had testing earlier and then did an "apt-get update". How can I go back to ONLY testing distribution? |
| 05:48.31 | mwilson | You don't. |
| 05:48.44 | Xytek | anyone? |
| 05:48.51 | chealer | debSarge: I would think only apt-get update would be enough |
| 05:49.02 | Xytek | I'm going to have to try again :/ |
| 05:49.05 | jm_ | Xytek: you didn't install it the way it should be installed |
| 05:49.11 | maher | Xytek: did you use java-package? |
| 05:49.14 | kadigibox | ok how do I compile source into a binary .deb? |
| 05:49.15 | mwilson | You think an update is going to remove whatever unstable packages he installed? |
| 05:49.20 | chealer | Xytek: did you follow the mozilla.org FAQ? |
| 05:49.49 | chealer | mwilson: if he did, of course not |
| 05:49.53 | maher | debSarge: downgrading is difficult and probably not worth the effort |
| 05:49.58 | glasse | debSarge: There's no established procedure for downgrading a ton of packages. |
| 05:50.09 | debSarge | Luckily I had not installed any packages...but my package list in cache must still be having unstable packages? |
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| 05:50.26 | maher | debSarge: oh - thenchange sources and just run apt-get update |
| 05:50.44 | mwilson | Wow, unstable is screwed AGAIN. |
| 05:51.28 | jackal2 | debSarge: do a man apt-get and take a look at the -s and -t flags... they may be slightly helpful in the future, if you want to mix+match *more carefully* |
| 05:51.42 | mwilson | Unack-ed NMU on apt. Wonderful. |
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| 05:52.09 | mwilson | Or next month. |
| 05:52.18 | chealer | kadigibox: check the APT HOWTO's section 6 |
| 05:52.20 | debSarge | Is there a way I can figure out what my system is currently running? testing or unstable or testing/unstable? :) |
| 05:52.50 | jackal2 | debSarge uname -a ? |
| 05:53.10 | chealer | debSarge: not really |
| 05:53.13 | Frozen-Solid | okay i finally got x and gnome-core installed... but i'm still having problems with gnome |
| 05:53.19 | aero | how do check spelling using vi? |
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| 05:53.49 | Frozen-Solid | it wants synaptic and gnome-apt, if i apt-get those two they each say they need libapt-pkg-libc6.something and if i apt-get that it says i have it o_ |
| 05:54.26 | maher | debSarge: apt-show-versions will tell you which versions you have - if you have mixed testing / unstabe you don't really have any particular verion of debian running... |
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| 05:55.08 | chealer | Frozen-Solid: what's your release again? |
| 05:55.12 | Frozen-Solid | sid |
| 05:55.19 | chealer | oh, yeah, sid |
| 05:56.07 | maher | Frozen-Solid: unstable is kind of unstable at the moment - try again in a few days |
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| 05:57.01 | debSarge | Thanks a lot folks :). BTW, I recently successfully got KDE running on my Sarge (those nVidia issues)...now it rocks...and with Baghira look and feel for KDE...I find Windows very b-l-a-n-d ! |
| 05:57.50 | chealer | debSarge: thanks. if you leave here hating windows, we've done our job |
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| 05:58.44 | Frozen-Solid | chealer: idont hate windows. i just very much prefer linux |
| 05:58.49 | Frozen-Solid | sadly there is way too much in windows icant live without :( |
| 05:59.20 | chealer | Frozen-Solid: I think it's too late for me to attempt being sarcastic |
| 05:59.27 | Frozen-Solid | okay yes i hate windows... but its like that annoying step-sister. you hate her, but youc ant get rid of her 8) |
| 05:59.30 | chealer | or even help people |
| 05:59.34 | Frozen-Solid | lol |
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| 05:59.37 | Frozen-Solid | i'm just farting around myself :D |
| 05:59.38 | Frozen-Solid | dont mind me |
| 05:59.44 | ke6isf | Frozen-Solid: I'm curious, what do you keep windoze around for? |
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| 06:00.01 | jackal2 | Frozen-Solid that comment reminds me of bfinn incident. |
| 06:00.13 | Frozen-Solid | ke6isf: magic workstation, photoshop (and dont even tell me the gimp makes up for photoshop), gamging. |
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| 06:01.06 | ke6isf | Frozen-Solid: Closest to pshop I can think of is pshop. I think they're working on a Linux version, but I heard one blurb on slashdot to that effect. |
| 06:01.14 | Frozen-Solid | oh? |
| 06:01.27 | Frozen-Solid | but that still doesnt fix my need to play crappy addictive ccgs on the internets |
| 06:01.31 | ke6isf | Yeah. Been a while, and it was one blurb on slashdot. I don't consider it reliable. |
| 06:01.35 | Frozen-Solid | nor my addiction to world of warcrack |
| 06:01.39 | debSarge | Just an observation from a newbie - some standardization needs to be done for package installation accross various distros. I got into a mess attempting to install ksmoothdock using sources |
| 06:01.47 | ke6isf | Frozen-Solid: And wine only seems to deal with Win98 at best. |
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| 06:02.09 | Frozen-Solid | i've gotten quite a bit running in wine |
| 06:02.11 | Frozen-Solid | just not enough |
| 06:02.14 | debSarge | Some PAM issues came up and only trial-and-error got me out of it |
| 06:02.20 | ke6isf | debSarge: But that's the fun of standards! There are so many to choose from! =^_^= |
| 06:02.21 | Frozen-Solid | i'll have my windows box back tomorrow though :dance: |
| 06:02.37 | ke6isf | Frozen-Solid: The one thing I'd run in wine is the FedEX shipping software, and it won't even install. |
| 06:02.49 | Frozen-Solid | ke6isf; really why not? |
| 06:02.56 | Frozen-Solid | what's the errors or whatever it gives? |
| 06:03.07 | ke6isf | Frozen-Solid: I haven't the faintest idea. String of errors, something about window rendering I think. |
| 06:03.14 | Frozen-Solid | hm/. |
| 06:03.15 | ke6isf | Frozen-Solid: Too tired to make the attempt right now. |
| 06:03.18 | Frozen-Solid | have you tried using winetools? |
| 06:03.33 | ke6isf | Nah, haven't had the inclination to tool about with it. |
| 06:03.38 | Frozen-Solid | ah. |
| 06:03.44 | Frozen-Solid | what i did (and it works REALLY well, believe it or not) |
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| 06:03.59 | ke6isf | Besides, I don't use it so much to require it, and can get away with the web interface - though I dislike it. |
| 06:04.00 | Frozen-Solid | is run winetools... install EVERYTHING that it offers as an option to setup your fake windows |
| 06:04.04 | debSarge | apt-get is very powerfull...but if I want to install using sources, I am lost! |
| 06:04.06 | Frozen-Solid | ... yes that includes IE6 (lol) |
| 06:04.26 | BourneAgain1 | Probally uses DirectX |
| 06:04.38 | Frozen-Solid | DX actually somewhat works in wine now |
| 06:04.49 | ke6isf | BourneAgain1: Probably. I think it's written in C++, that's all I know about its underpinnnings. |
| 06:05.04 | debSarge | I ended up installing 6 packages...eventually I dont know its Testing or Unstable. And I could not login without booting into recovery mode :( |
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| 06:06.28 | Frozen-Solid | installing ie6 into my linux box made me feel dirty :( |
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| 06:07.58 | Ianpeters | hello, I need some help with Nautilus |
| 06:08.20 | exobyte | is \n line feed or carriage return, AND, what's the secapre sequence for the other? |
| 06:08.31 | jm_ | exobyte: man ascii |
| 06:08.33 | peterS | /nick peterSian |
| 06:09.02 | exobyte | jm_: that did it |
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| 06:09.36 | jackal2 | gnight |
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| 06:14.07 | exobyte | How do I feed \n to echo? |
| 06:14.15 | jm_ | man echo |
| 06:14.25 | rking | exobyte: echo -e |
| 06:14.38 | rking | exobyte: why do you hate them? |
| 06:14.44 | exobyte | lazy |
| 06:14.52 | rking | exobyte: geez. at least try echo --help |
| 06:14.52 | jm_ | we hate lazy people |
| 06:15.27 | rking | urr, help echo |
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| 06:15.49 | peterS | do I hear an echo? |
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| 06:17.09 | exobyte | rking: ok- it seems to work, but what about on a different os? |
| 06:17.09 | shew | I'm upgrading to sarge on a server, and "aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade" wants to install xfree86. I've installed all packages except for groff and groff-base. Am I right in assumming that if I want to continue to have a server without x libraries that I'll have to remove groff if I want to complete the upgrade to sarge? (According to http://packages.debian.org/stable/text/groff , groff now has X dependencies. (!) I'm hopi |
| 06:17.09 | shew | ng I have a misunderstanding here.) |
| 06:17.21 | tung | im trying to use netstat to find out which program is using port 8000 |
| 06:17.23 | anguyen | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.29 | Frozen-Solid | rking: exactly. |
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| 06:17.50 | tung | netstat -tnlw doesnt show the name of the program |
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| 06:17.52 | Frozen-Liquid | :3 |
| 06:17.57 | zl2tod | tung: lsof | grep 8000 |
| 06:18.14 | rking | exobyte: i donno... test 'em or screw 'em |
| 06:18.39 | rking | exobyte: seriously, what serious system doesn't run GNU utils? |
| 06:19.22 | dimir | Morning |
| 06:19.28 | tung | punisher:~/mynotes$ lsof | grep 8000 |
| 06:19.28 | tung | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 06:19.28 | tung | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.33 | glasse | shew: groff does indeed have X dependencies. But you should be able to get away with just installing the libraries without the server itself. |
| 06:19.36 | jm_ | shew: it only depends on xlibs |
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| 06:20.04 | jm_ | well "only" anyway |
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| 06:20.42 | rking | tung: i have no idea what you're doing, but do you mean lsof -i | grep 8000 ? |
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| 06:20.46 | rixth | .me agrees |
| 06:20.48 | michaeln | what directory is apache web root located by default? |
| 06:20.57 | rixth | michaeln, /var/www |
| 06:21.02 | michaeln | rixth: thanks |
| 06:21.06 | tung | rking: im trying to find out what program is using port 8000 |
| 06:21.21 | rixth | tung, netstat | grep 8000 |
| 06:21.22 | rking | zl2tod: some are good, some are bad, but the good ones get better with practice. it's really not that hard to just hit G to zip to the bottom and read the "See also" part, etc |
| 06:21.25 | streuner | tung: icecast? |
| 06:21.33 | rking | tung: you're missing the -i option to lsof |
| 06:21.37 | shew | Yeah, it's not requiring an install of an x server, but..seems strange that that's a requirement instead of a recommends or suggests. Oh well. Thanks though, glasse and jm_ |
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| 06:21.52 | glasse | shew: If you're just using it for man, man only depends on groff-base. |
| 06:22.17 | streuner | tung: 8000 is usually those streamservers, IIRC |
| 06:22.32 | jm_ | shew: it's because it supports Xbla devices, letting you display output on X displays |
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| 06:23.16 | zl2tod | rking, yeah - the see also is damned minimal linking in almost all cases, and as a meduium manpages have not advanced one iota since the late 70s when I first encountered them. The recipe was made then and it just hasn't advanced with the times, or the capabiilties of the underlying hardware. |
| 06:23.24 | Xytek | is there a linux version of limewire? or do I need Wine to run it? or can anyone recommend a p2p program? |
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| 06:23.37 | Xytek | other than torrents, preferably. |
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| 06:23.57 | Frozen-Solid | people still use limewire? god that program sucked from day 1 |
| 06:24.02 | rking | zl2tod: there's always info. at one point i was really high on using pinfo, but these days i do so much perl, which means so much POD->man, that I don't bother with pinfo much |
| 06:24.05 | imaek | Is there a way that I can mount a specific drive (/dev/hdb1) on a different computer on the network? |
| 06:24.14 | jm_ | imaek: yes |
| 06:24.15 | smartbhai | Xytek : gtk-gnutella , amule |
| 06:24.17 | Frozen-Solid | imaek: smb |
| 06:24.25 | imaek | ok |
| 06:24.26 | streuner | Frozen-Solid: nah |
| 06:24.27 | Frozen-Solid | you have to setup a share, then mount the share |
| 06:24.38 | streuner | imaek: smb is for windows |
| 06:24.38 | Frozen-Solid | dont tell me there's an easier way or i'm goign to shoot myself |
| 06:24.51 | maher | imaek: Frozen-Solid sshfs |
| 06:24.53 | streuner | imaek: what OS is on the other box? |
| 06:24.57 | Frozen-Solid | ssh... fs? o_0 |
| 06:25.06 | imaek | both debian |
| 06:25.10 | Frozen-Solid | i can mount an ssh o_0 |
| 06:25.13 | streuner | imaek: NFS |
| 06:25.22 | imaek | well actually the one that doesn't physically contain the drive is ubuntu, which is debian based. |
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| 06:25.25 | imaek | nFS? |
| 06:25.35 | streuner | imaek: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server |
| 06:25.38 | Frozen-Solid | i never got nfs to work properly :\ |
| 06:25.45 | Frozen-Solid | i'm probably just a retard |
| 06:25.46 | streuner | imaek: and read man exports |
| 06:25.47 | imaek | oh which, streuner, client or host or both? |
| 06:25.57 | imaek | server* |
| 06:25.58 | streuner | imaek: on both |
| 06:26.00 | imaek | ok |
| 06:26.09 | rking | jm_: i don't know if the "yes" jokelet will ever get old |
| 06:26.09 | jm_ | rking: I somehow doubt it |
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| 06:27.40 | jm_ | you don't need server on both, you only need it on the machine that will export /dev/hdb1, the other one needs nfs-common and a kernel that knows how to mount NFS filesystem |
| 06:27.59 | shew | glasse: Thanks! I've removed groff, and I can keep groff-base without adding more libraries! Woohoo! |
| 06:28.02 | anguyen_ | hey i get this error anguyen is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 06:28.02 | anguyen_ | ..and this is the only account..what do i do |
| 06:28.23 | streuner | jm_: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server is easy ;-) |
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| 06:28.43 | ke6isf | anguyen: You either put yourself in the sudoers file, or convince your admin to do so. |
| 06:28.45 | streuner | jm_: it would install portmap too ;-) |
| 06:29.00 | anguyen_ | i am the admin |
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| 06:29.04 | anguyen_ | .. |
| 06:29.12 | anguyen_ | this is my comp |
| 06:29.12 | ke6isf | anguyen_: then visudo is your friend. |
| 06:29.23 | anguyen_ | visudo? |
| 06:29.23 | imaek | streuner: there isn't any man for it |
| 06:29.37 | ke6isf | Yes, visudo. Run it from a root prompt. |
| 06:29.45 | streuner | imaek: have you install nfs-kernel-server? |
| 06:29.46 | jm_ | streuner: yes, but you don't need it on the client |
| 06:29.52 | imaek | yes |
| 06:29.56 | anguyen_ | visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied |
| 06:30.00 | imaek | and man nfs-kernel-server gives me nothing |
| 06:30.08 | anguyen_ | this is the only account i have |
| 06:30.17 | anguyen_ | i know the admin pw |
| 06:30.24 | ke6isf | anguyen_: You must have a root account. What distro are you running? |
| 06:30.36 | ztrajp | Hi, got problem whit mount.cifs... here is the problem when i do "mount.cifs //server/share /mnt -o uid=100" it works but if i change uid to a username "uid=sysop" it don't work.. somebody got a solution for this ? |
| 06:30.50 | ke6isf | anguyen_: Note it helps to be root if you run visudo. |
| 06:30.58 | anguyen_ | knobbix |
| 06:31.04 | anguyen_ | and i cant root myself |
| 06:31.11 | anguyen_ | says im not in the sudo folder |
| 06:31.16 | ke6isf | anguyen_: Knoppix is not Debian. I fold. |
| 06:31.37 | streuner | zerberus:/home/streuner# dpkg -S /usr/share/man/man5/exports.5.gz |
| 06:31.38 | streuner | nfs-kernel-server: /usr/share/man/man5/exports.5.gz |
| 06:32.17 | streuner | imaek: what's the error with 'apt-get install nfs-kernel-server'? |
| 06:32.23 | anguyen_ | i had an option to install it to the hd like debian so i did |
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| 06:32.40 | ke6isf | anguyen_: And it's still not Debian. You might ask in #knoppix. |
| 06:32.50 | anguyen_ | how would you normally add someone to the sudo folder? |
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| 06:33.46 | ke6isf | anguyen_: by running visudo, which you need to be root for, which as you've established you can't do. This is one of many reasons why Knoppix is not supported by the Debian folks. |
| 06:34.09 | ke6isf | anguyen_: Suffice it to say, "Knoppix is not Debian". |
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| 06:34.16 | J-Ph | g'day mates |
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| 06:34.22 | anguyen_ | heh k |
| 06:34.45 | ke6isf | anguyen: You can either get a better answer from #Knoppix, or just go balls up and install Sarge. |
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| 06:38.10 | anguyen_ | balls down ftw |
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| 06:38.51 | linuxmen | i want with masquerading block access to all ports with some exceptions like port 21,22,80 |
| 06:39.07 | linuxmen | in my lan |
| 06:39.17 | Guerin | linuxmen: use firehol or somesuch |
| 06:39.28 | linuxmen | Guerin iptables |
| 06:39.32 | Guerin | linuxmen: yes |
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| 06:42.53 | mwilson | linuxmen: Are you STILL parrroting the exact same plea? |
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| 06:43.20 | mwilson | linuxmen: Two plus hours and you've still not read the documentation? |
| 06:43.48 | streuner | jm_: Is it a big mistake if you have nfs-kernel-server installed on the client? |
| 06:43.48 | linuxmen | hmm i read but i cant understand ,, i'm not expert |
| 06:43.49 | linuxmen | :S |
| 06:43.49 | rabies | linuxmen: if this is the router try shorewall |
| 06:43.59 | linuxmen | rabies is a router |
| 06:44.07 | jm_ | streuner: not really, it won't prevent things from working |
| 06:44.20 | rabies | anyone know the last working version of nvidia driver's XVMC w/ a 6200? |
| 06:44.23 | rabies | linuxmen: wtf? |
| 06:44.35 | streuner | jm_: well, my client is sometimes client OR server... |
| 06:44.41 | mwilson | linuxmen: No one asked you to be an expert. |
| 06:44.47 | streuner | jm_: vice versa |
| 06:45.04 | jm_ | streuner: sure, in that case you'll definitely want it |
| 06:45.05 | ke6isf | mwilson: Hey, sometimes we all need our hands held, ya know? |
| 06:45.30 | rabies | i cant believe xvmc isnt working |
| 06:45.33 | J-Ph | is there a zlib package available? apt-get doesnt recognize |
| 06:45.36 | J-Ph | !zlib |
| 06:45.36 | dpkg | zlib is, like, zlib1g and zlib1g-dev |
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| 06:45.57 | streuner | J-Ph: what for? |
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| 06:46.01 | J-Ph | amule |
| 06:46.09 | streuner | its in debian |
| 06:46.23 | J-Ph | needs when i do ./configure --enable-kad-compile |
| 06:46.23 | J-Ph | ok |
| 06:46.41 | rabies | hrm.. |
| 06:47.55 | linuxmen | rabies ok |
| 06:48.40 | mwilson | Man, people can never read. |
| 06:48.47 | zl2tod | linuxmen, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.gz |
| 06:48.58 | linuxmen | ok |
| 06:49.11 | linuxmen | thankz u zl2tod |
| 06:49.13 | linuxmen | :p |
| 06:51.34 | J-Ph | !wxgtk-devel |
| 06:51.38 | rabies | hrm, how do i suid again... |
| 06:51.40 | rabies | 4xxx im guessing |
| 06:52.18 | rabies | ah, right |
| 06:52.34 | peterS | u+s |
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| 06:52.48 | peterS | but if you aren't comfortable with chmod, you *really* should think twice before making random crap setuid |
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| 06:53.29 | linuxmen | i need block all execpts (80 www) |
| 06:53.45 | Guerin | linuxmen: so do what i told you 20 minutes ago |
| 06:53.50 | stevarino | locate apache2-default/ |
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| 06:53.57 | stevarino | d'oh :) |
| 06:54.01 | ke6isf | stevarino: wrong window? =^^= |
| 06:54.09 | linuxmen | i need block all port execpts (80 www),, |
| 06:54.10 | stevarino | why won't it work!?! |
| 06:54.43 | Guerin | linuxmen: so do what i told you 20 minutes ago |
| 06:54.49 | zl2tod | linuxmen, have we met ? |
| 06:54.59 | rking | linuxmen: do you have Guerin on ignore? |
| 06:55.00 | linuxmen | i dont speak good english,, |
| 06:55.10 | linuxmen | no please |
| 06:55.11 | linuxmen | :P |
| 06:55.12 | rking | linuxmen: Guerin recommended firehol before |
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| 06:55.22 | linuxmen | ok |
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| 06:57.17 | zl2tod | linuxmen, which language ? |
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| 06:57.23 | linuxmen | zl2tod spanish |
| 06:57.25 | linuxmen | :p |
| 06:57.53 | Thasp | Hmm. |
| 06:58.07 | Thasp | Is there much difference between the performance in a SATA II drive, and an SATA 150 drive at this point in time? |
| 06:58.33 | J-Ph | all buttons work for my mx510 |
| 06:58.36 | J-Ph | but its too slow |
| 06:58.48 | J-Ph | resolution set to 600 doesnt change anything |
| 06:58.57 | J-Ph | or 800 |
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| 06:59.42 | aero | I found the solution to me email problem that I plaqued you guys with earlier. Mutt was using the name in /etc/passwd |
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| 07:00.19 | zl2tod | linuxmen, there is a package of spanish howtos: apt-howto-es ... dunno if the Masq one is there |
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| 07:00.23 | aero | I wonder now, why when I creat a new user the new user can't use mplayer |
| 07:00.23 | J-Ph | that were a lot of bots |
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| 07:04.53 | J-Ph | !ops this is your wakeup call! go to work |
| 07:04.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: this is your wakeup call! go to work |
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| 07:05.20 | J-Ph | if there is someting to do about it... |
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| 07:06.00 | mwilson | Why does everyone think it's so important to sync with Ubuntu, versus with any other Debian derivative? |
| 07:06.10 | J-Ph | dunno mwilson |
| 07:06.16 | J-Ph | i dont think that |
| 07:06.22 | mwilson | I keep reading that, and reading that, and I don't understand why it would be thought important. |
| 07:06.35 | aero | how do you check spelling in vi? |
| 07:06.53 | mwilson | aero: You install one of the umpteen spell-checking scripts. |
| 07:07.00 | ztrajp | Is there a way to mount an win2003 share with smbmount, and not mount.cifs ? |
| 07:07.35 | mwilson | aero: Oh, vi. Not vim. Sorry, automatic response. The correct answer is... you don't. |
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| 07:07.40 | aero | mwilson, always the smart response, how do i run the spell checker when in vi |
| 07:07.43 | JohnnyST | how do I change the system deafult language to english dpkg-reconfigure locales dose not work. I want it set to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 07:07.52 | ServerList | hi |
| 07:07.58 | mwilson | JohnnyST: Then do so. |
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| 07:08.49 | mwilson | No, mutt uses whatever editor it's been told to use. |
| 07:09.03 | mwilson | Some editors support spell checking, others do not. |
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| 07:09.48 | aero | mwilson, I see, how do I tell mutt to use something else, and what else should I use. I thought emacs, but then I might as well learn how to use email to send mail entirely |
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| 07:10.20 | aero | mwilson, using emacs for email would be an entirely new endeavor for me |
| 07:10.54 | mwilson | aero: Mutt has documentation for this purpose. |
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| 07:12.44 | J-Ph | use otherwise pine for your email |
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| 07:14.03 | mwilson | aero: Why would I? I have better things to do than memorize mutt documentation... that's what, well, the mutt documentation is for. I don't have mutt spell-checking for me, that's what vim is for. |
| 07:14.05 | zlrbnevvyw | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
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| 07:15.47 | dimir | wow! |
| 07:15.52 | kadigibox | O.o |
| 07:15.55 | dimir | wwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooowwwwwwwwww! |
| 07:15.56 | Kaiser_away | hm. |
| 07:15.57 | J-Ph | damn script kiddies |
| 07:15.57 | mage | aero, this is debian, they wont answer any easy questions :D |
| 07:15.58 | Kaiser_away | :o |
| 07:16.07 | *** mode/#debian [-i] by debhelper |
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| 07:16.11 | mwilson | aero: Why would I? I have better things to do than memorize mutt documentation... that's what, well, the mutt documentation is for. I don't have mutt spell-checking for me, that's what vim is for. |
| 07:16.11 | aero | mwilson, well even don't know that say not sure or something, don't have to give non constructive answeres |
| 07:16.13 | dimir | damn skript kiddie |
| 07:16.15 | dimir | J-Ph: lol |
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| 07:16.18 | dimir | noway! |
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| 07:16.19 | J-Ph | hmmm set to invite |
| 07:16.19 | mage | wow back already |
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| 07:16.38 | dimir | here it comes... |
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| 07:18.04 | kadigibox | wtf |
| 07:18.04 | StijnT | hehe |
| 07:18.14 | StijnT | some scriptkiddo lamer |
| 07:18.20 | kadigibox | they piss me off |
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| 07:19.13 | ncpppqjhn | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 07:19.13 | gpozxmzagb | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 07:19.13 | czmapaegr | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 07:19.13 | myhsrzrer | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 07:19.13 | lskuqeld | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
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| 07:19.14 | tmbpqnpiy | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
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| 07:19.14 | oemzsouh | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 07:19.14 | xareimhe | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 07:19.14 | tcntuodzps | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 07:19.14 | uzpmxpvwby | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
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| 07:19.14 | jutbvdgwp | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
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| 07:19.19 | kcrqgmxyz | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 07:19.19 | *** mode/#debian [+mi] by debhelper |
| 07:20.21 | *** mode/#debian [-m] by debhelper |
| 07:20.22 | J-Ph | !ops why dont just ban the IPs? |
| 07:20.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: why dont just ban the IPs |
| 07:20.25 | kawiwpbdb | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 07:20.25 | lqyqibhswj | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
| 07:20.25 | kcbnhnplrc | HELLO ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨^^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{^^{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ |
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| 07:20.51 | *** mode/#debian [+mi] by debhelper |
| 07:21.52 | *** mode/#debian [-m] by debhelper |
| 07:21.57 | StijnT | yeah well chans w/o ops don't work, as you can see |
| 07:22.13 | peterS | StijnT: right. we have plenty of ops but there are certain times of the day they sometimes all disappear at once |
| 07:22.13 | StijnT | I hope the kiddo reads the PM's sent to it's 'virusbots' :-) |
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| 07:22.22 | kadigibox | this is getting annoying |
| 07:22.26 | StijnT | ic |
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| 07:23.00 | J-Ph | debian-$LOCALE are quiet |
| 07:23.04 | liable | well, that was interesting. |
| 07:23.22 | mage | they need non debian people to op rooms then, so theres someone here during debian club meetings :D |
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| 07:23.43 | Nwallins | i vote for me |
| 07:23.50 | StijnT | I really hope the guy reads my pm :-) |
| 07:23.59 | jim | why? |
| 07:24.11 | J-Ph | i dont vote for bush |
| 07:24.11 | StijnT | that'll give him stuff to think about |
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| 07:24.26 | J-Ph | wat dan StijnT ? |
| 07:24.31 | mage | I'd vote for myself but I'd be tempted to kick dpkg sometimes |
| 07:24.40 | mwilson | "rooms"? "club meetings"? |
| 07:24.42 | J-Ph | lol mage |
| 07:24.45 | StijnT | J-Ph: hehe :) dat hij beter een blaffer gaat kopen en zichzelff uit z'n lijden verlost |
| 07:24.54 | J-Ph | hehehe |
| 07:25.02 | StijnT | (en ons) |
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| 07:25.12 | StijnT | de Geert :- |
| 07:25.13 | J-Ph | goed verhaal/good story |
| 07:25.13 | StijnT | ) |
| 07:25.26 | mage | well a debian club meeting is the best thing I could come up with that'd make nobody here |
| 07:25.28 | Geert | hierse befje ) |
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| 07:25.36 | mage | as internet is multi timezone :p |
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| 07:25.38 | aeronadix | hi sorryu |
| 07:25.46 | StijnT | Geert: ge hebt iets gemist, nen kiddo met ircbotjes (virus) die hier kwam flooden :) |
| 07:25.53 | Geert | Weet ik |
| 07:25.59 | jim | sorry for what? |
| 07:26.01 | StijnT | ah, ge komt 'm bannen ? :) |
| 07:26.07 | Geert | neen, lachen :P |
| 07:26.10 | aeronadix | I lost my voice for a min |
| 07:26.10 | StijnT | :-) |
| 07:26.27 | StijnT | hoop dat ie de PM leest :) --> /msg kcrqgmxyz you are so pathetic, you know, go buy a gun and help yourselve (and us) |
| 07:26.28 | aeronadix | the demigods |
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| 07:26.43 | J-Ph | thats the -m aeronadix |
| 07:27.07 | peterS | aeronadix: yeah, that's debhelper trying to clamp down on the bot floods we were entertained with earlier |
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| 07:27.34 | jim | oh, -I- see... you're thinking the more pissed off he is at people here, the longer he'll think about that and the less he'll come here... |
| 07:27.36 | jim | hmmm |
| 07:27.37 | aeronadix | J-Ph, what do you mean -m |
| 07:27.49 | Nwallins | mute |
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| 07:27.53 | aeronadix | peterS, Oh so everyone lost their voice? |
| 07:27.58 | therealgalen | Hey, I am looking for some data on hardware support under debian |
| 07:28.00 | J-Ph | aeronadix, yep |
| 07:28.19 | J-Ph | anyone knows why i dont have wx-config and how to install it? |
| 07:28.21 | jim | hardware is generally supported by kernels |
| 07:28.22 | aeronadix | so did we figure out how was the offenders? |
| 07:28.23 | J-Ph | !wx-config |
| 07:28.26 | sep | therealgalen, debian uses the linux kernel, that's where you look for hardware support |
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| 07:28.36 | jim | they're fine... how are you? |
| 07:28.47 | therealgalen | sep: #linux ? they're not exactly helpful... ever |
| 07:28.52 | streuner | J-Ph: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 07:29.01 | sep | therealgalen, the linux documentation!! not the irc channel |
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| 07:29.14 | therealgalen | sep: lol |
| 07:29.15 | jim | therealgalen: anyways, what are you looking to support? |
| 07:29.26 | jeh_work | has sid stabilized a bit nowadays? |
| 07:29.34 | peterS | jeh_work: still stabilizing |
| 07:29.39 | jim | not hardly |
| 07:29.40 | mage | ##linux are being dicks too? tell them to stop being like #linuxhelp and answer ya ;) |
| 07:29.41 | J-Ph | streuner, ? |
| 07:29.45 | therealgalen | I have searched around and I'm just not getting all that far. Specifically, I'm looking at the Intel GMA 950 graphics |
| 07:29.49 | streuner | J-Ph: ! |
| 07:30.00 | jeh_work | peterS: so better hold off an upgrade for a while longer then |
| 07:30.07 | jim | you havne't bought one have you? |
| 07:30.21 | streuner | J-Ph: use a whole sentence, my crystal-thingie is in low stat |
| 07:30.28 | peterS | jeh_work: most things continue to work. a few cute surprises remain. |
| 07:30.40 | therealgalen | I have not bought the GMA 950. I do note Intel claims XFree86 source is available http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma950/ |
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| 07:31.04 | jeh_work | peterS: ok, although i don't think kde 3.4.x is yet working |
| 07:31.12 | J-Ph | streuner, could you elaborate more on "simple sid backport" ? |
| 07:31.17 | jim | that's good! because: the time to research compatibility of hardware is before you get it! :) |
| 07:31.24 | peterS | jeh_work: probably not. I don't use KDE so I don't know. but it is certainly being held up by the gcc 4 thing |
| 07:31.39 | streuner | J-Ph: why? its pretty self-explaining, isn't it? |
| 07:31.49 | therealgalen | jim: that's what I'm trying to do. it's just really challenging to research it sometimes, especially for new/odd hardware |
| 07:31.59 | streuner | !dpkg simple sid backport |
| 07:32.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 07:32.02 | jeh_work | peterS: yup, so i've understood. we live in interesting times :) |
| 07:32.07 | jim | btw, what is your goal with the hardware? |
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| 07:32.21 | streuner | J-Ph: read option 'build-dep' in man apt-get |
| 07:32.40 | J-Ph | streuner, i've got sarge, so i change sid to sarge? |
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| 07:32.52 | streuner | J-Ph: no |
| 07:33.02 | streuner | J-Ph: read what i told you |
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| 07:33.25 | J-Ph | im reading :) |
| 07:33.37 | therealgalen | jim: I am trying to build a system that's going to run a nice kernel raid, offload some various processor-intensive tasks, and (eventually) watch of bit of hdtv. I notice the GMA 950 is basically free with many Intel mobos |
| 07:34.23 | therealgalen | jim: I imagine I may have to get a decent GPU for HDTV, but I figured I should look into the GMA, at least it might suffice until i get the hdtv tuner and a better gpu |
| 07:35.24 | jeh_work | therealgalen: you plan on using software raid? |
| 07:35.29 | jim | it seems to me you should start with a plain (err, well-supported) graphics card for now, and concentrate on the raid |
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| 07:36.01 | jim | why do you want a raid? |
| 07:36.14 | therealgalen | jeh_work: yes, i do. i have already dissected the raid situation back and fourth and up and down and concluded the sw raid is sufficient for my needs. |
| 07:36.28 | J-Ph | i only have unstable sid line in source.list |
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| 07:37.03 | therealgalen | jim: I am planning for a raid 5 because I have a lot of data and i'm sick of moving my data around every time a hard drive fails |
| 07:37.05 | jim | are you running sid but don't want to? |
| 07:37.13 | jeh_work | therealgalen: ok, i've never used software raid, but i'm also building a new server for home and saving the 300-400e for a raid card would be nice |
| 07:37.30 | jim | why not get something like a 3ware card? maybe a sata one |
| 07:37.36 | therealgalen | Cost! |
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| 07:38.05 | jim | you need to factor in the cost of your time |
| 07:38.16 | therealgalen | Yeah |
| 07:38.27 | jim | first off for learning the stuff, which you may have done already |
| 07:38.39 | jeh_work | jim: i've though about the 3ware cards. look very good |
| 07:39.45 | therealgalen | I've looked into it... raid is really well supported in the kernel. You either can use a SW raid for free, or spend $250+ for a basic true hardware RAID. Anything less than $250 is a fake raid, and you actually end up with a less stable/upgradeable solution (in many cases) because of the 3rd party drivers. A true hardware raid is awesome, except $250 is a bit of money. |
| 07:40.15 | jeh_work | yes, 250$ gets you two extra disks... |
| 07:40.29 | jim | or more maybe |
| 07:40.45 | Nwallins | or a coupla nubile bangkok whores |
| 07:40.59 | jeh_work | anything smaller than 200G isn't a disk :) |
| 07:41.00 | therealgalen | I concluded that it's easier to make sure I have plenty of CPU (looking at the pentium d 820 here) and i'll be fine for raid 5 |
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| 07:42.10 | Nwallins | well-spoken |
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| 07:42.31 | jeh_work | i once had an LVM thingie and lost all my data when one drive died. since then i'm very careful with software stuff, especially linux softwares tuff |
| 07:42.41 | therealgalen | In fact, it's interesting to note, many of the lower end true hardware raids actually limit your performance in raid 5 mode, especially with a lot of drives, because their CPU is limited. Having dual 2.8 ghz cores would totally eliminate any bottlenecks. But really, my objective is not so much disk performance as a decent amount. |
| 07:43.10 | therealgalen | jeh_work: I fully intend to test the reliability of my RAID prior to using it by powering down or disconnecting random drives and rebuilding the drive |
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| 07:43.54 | therealgalen | I'm not so worried about the RAID. I've hashed and re-hashed the topic over and over. What I'm trying to sort out is motherboard selection, which depends on sound and graphics quite a bit. |
| 07:43.57 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
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| 07:44.05 | jeh_work | therealgalen: at a place i worked we had an adaptec raid system and really crappy disks. we lost several disks in one year. no data loss ever |
| 07:44.18 | stouset | Anyone know of a simple way to append multiple .wmv files? |
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| 07:44.20 | jim | well, I never ran a raid of any kind before, but I hear you have to understand the situations under which software raid would get corrupted |
| 07:44.27 | stouset | Converting them to avi or other format would be acceptable. |
| 07:44.44 | jeh_work | i just can't imagine that software raid would actually work in an error situation. you'd just get "i/o error" in your syslog and the data would be lost |
| 07:44.52 | jim | the w probably stands for windows, huh? |
| 07:45.14 | evgez | Åñòü ðóññêèå??? |
| 07:46.07 | therealgalen | there are also lots of situations under which you can have a hardware raid go bye-bye, such as the controller dying, or even the software drivers killing the RAID |
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| 07:46.12 | ser | hi, how to run TV-out on ATI card? which driver should i use in debian? |
| 07:47.44 | therealgalen | I've gone round and round and round and concluded that it's not worth dropping $250+ for a RAID controller for home use. I don't mind spending a few minutes invoking some commands when a drive fails and I need to rebuild. I will test throughly, but I have been in touch with people who use both hardware RAIDs and kernel RAIDs and both seem to work pretty well when setup properly. |
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| 07:48.16 | jeh_work | ser: probably ati's own binary drivers |
| 07:48.42 | ser | therealgalen: i think that md software driver is better also for commercial use, not only home use |
| 07:48.44 | therealgalen | Anyhow... any clues on the GMA 950? Intel claims there's XFree86 source code available |
| 07:48.52 | ser | jeh_work: OK, thanks |
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| 07:49.22 | jeh_work | therealgalen: aren't you limited to 4 disks then with sw raid? or how many disks can a modern sata system have? |
| 07:49.23 | ser | therealgalen: efficency of raid10 is compared to all hardware matrixes |
| 07:49.30 | jim | well the proof of the pudding would be an actual installation that works |
| 07:49.54 | therealgalen | i don't think a sw raid is limited like that |
| 07:50.19 | zl2tod | is the debian-mirrors mailing list moribund ? |
| 07:50.23 | therealgalen | ser: what are you trying to say about raid10? |
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| 07:51.06 | jim | on the raid, I think a backup plan and strategy would free you from thinking about any raid at all |
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| 07:51.32 | ser | therealgalen: that i am testing adaptec 02:04.0 RAID bus controller: Adaptec AAC-RAID (rev 01) and it works less stable then md software raid on the same system |
| 07:51.35 | jim | on the graphics card, just make sure you can get something that works |
| 07:52.19 | ser | therealgalen: it was the last hardware matrix i have ever bought |
| 07:52.22 | Nwallins | therealgalen: wow, what a frustrating conversation i sympathize |
| 07:52.30 | therealgalen | jim: I need to backup large chunks of data. segmenting across drives just isn't acceptable. Furthermore, as you get into several hundred GBs of data, having a mirror backup is sorta wasteful |
| 07:53.27 | jim | what's your application? |
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| 07:54.11 | jim | btw, it looks like you've done a lot of thinking, and at the right time... before you buy the hardware |
| 07:55.05 | ser | interesting tests for software raid based on ata: http://python.ca/nas/software-raid-ide.html |
| 07:55.34 | therealgalen | I'm pretty settled on the RAID, but I'm still trying to figure out the video/sound/mobo stuff particularly. I want to keep costs down, particularly at first, but allow myself to scale sorta. |
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| 07:56.48 | therealgalen | The Pentium D has a pretty limited mobo options. Two intel chipsets (945, 955) and nforce4 sli w/proper updates are the only options. |
| 07:57.08 | jamesm | Hello all, I've experienced a strange thing after installing x and window maker on my debian unstable machine. After configuring, then starting x with Window Maker and fiddling around with it for a while, I chose to shutdown the xserver. I was returned to the console as expected, but then x kept appearing on screen again (although only with the default black x mouse pointer and chequered... |
| 07:57.10 | jamesm | ...background). Even after using ctrl+alt+bkspce to kill it, it still comes back! |
| 07:57.28 | jamesm | any ideas whats going on? |
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| 07:58.09 | therealgalen | I'm currently looking at the 945 mobos. The intel-produced mobos have the GMA 950 which claims to support HDTV and have xfree86 source, but the downside is that intel-made mobos don't have the overclocking options |
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| 07:58.28 | jim | jamesm: unstable? you've probably found a new problem... what does the bts say |
| 07:58.42 | jim | (you did check before coming here?) |
| 07:59.04 | smartbhai | how can i change the custom session names from the gdm screen |
| 07:59.18 | jim | you want to try overclocking too? |
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| 07:59.50 | therealgalen | jim: i've done a bit of overclocking... it's something i might like to poke at sometime |
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| 08:00.10 | therealgalen | obviously, with lots of caution, don't want to destroy my raid :) |
| 08:00.33 | jamesm | jim: No, unfortunately it happened early this morning just as I was about to leave for work. |
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| 08:00.39 | jim | what I see is you pretty much know what you want, and you're at least somewhat familiar with the implications |
| 08:00.55 | jim | jamesm: go check now then :) |
| 08:00.56 | jamesm | I don't have access to the machine now, so I was really hoping it was something common |
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| 08:01.10 | jamesm | No problem, I'll have to check it out when I get home |
| 08:01.25 | therealgalen | jim: yes, i totally understand the concepts, I just need the specifics and linux support. I particularly have not done much with x86 recently. |
| 08:01.26 | jim | you seem to have an internet connection now... |
| 08:01.41 | jamesm | jim: yes at work |
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| 08:02.17 | jim | therealgalen: what are you planning on as far as arch? |
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| 08:03.45 | therealgalen | jim: looking at a pentium D 820 as the CPU. the price/performance point is killer there and I can readily utilize dual cores and I've experienced the advantages of dual CPUs before. |
| 08:04.28 | jim | I tried a dual slot1 a few years back... that was disasterous... never buy slot1 |
| 08:04.50 | therealgalen | lol why? |
| 08:05.01 | jim | because the slots are fragile |
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| 08:05.16 | edwin_gurde | hi |
| 08:05.17 | therealgalen | Ah, OK. This is socket 775. |
| 08:05.20 | jim | me not realizing how much so, I destroyed both slots |
| 08:05.37 | sceig | How can i know which dev (hda1, had2...?) is my cdrom ? |
| 08:05.41 | jim | agp is similar slotwise |
| 08:05.55 | jim | sceig: what's it connected to? |
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| 08:06.10 | jim | and btw, a cd is generally not partitioned |
| 08:06.32 | therealgalen | jim: i have not had issues with AGP being fragile. What do you do to your slots?? |
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| 08:06.41 | Yagisan | G'day. Anyone with non-i386 or non-amd64 sarge pbuilder setups here ? |
| 08:06.41 | sceig | i just want to mount my cdrom on my debian box.. |
| 08:07.18 | sceig | but i dont know how to mount it |
| 08:07.36 | jim | well I forgot to put the latch pieces on the slots... so the side-heavy cpu card/fan assemblies slowly expanded the slot under the weight and pull to the side |
| 08:07.50 | jim | I didn't just forget, I didn't know to do so |
| 08:07.56 | Guerin | sceig: mount /media/cdrom |
| 08:08.01 | jim | sceig: what's it connected to? |
| 08:08.20 | jim | what's /media? |
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| 08:08.38 | jim | here we go again |
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| 08:09.24 | jim | !ops watch rdybqtdtk, possible flooder |
| 08:09.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: watch rdybqtdtk, possible flooder |
| 08:10.50 | Gaza | jim!: Reinstalled when I got home from work, is now working fine, thanks for your help last night! |
| 08:10.54 | sceig | where is mounted the cdrom with the command mount /media/cdrom |
| 08:11.08 | jim | Gaza: welcome |
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| 08:11.20 | ispeed | has anyone done a php photoblog before? |
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| 08:12.05 | Nwallins | not in this channel |
| 08:12.39 | ispeed | why no one use php here, ha |
| 08:12.41 | jim | ispeed: you mean something like photo.net? |
| 08:12.47 | ispeed | yes |
| 08:13.03 | ispeed | www.exitwound.com |
| 08:13.04 | ispeed | like that |
| 08:13.05 | jim | that site uses tcl |
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| 08:14.48 | jeh_work | therealgalen: what resources did you read when deciding to go with sw raid? the Software-RAID-HOWTO doesn't seem to cover kernel 2.6 at all |
| 08:15.43 | therealgalen | jeh_work: i hate to dig all that up again.... |
| 08:16.06 | jeh_work | therealgalen: ok, but there is something newer out there? google will find it then |
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| 08:16.16 | kneet | m4a and m4p files - any tools to extract tag info? similar to id3v2 etc? |
| 08:18.53 | therealgalen | jeh_work: my bookmarks are corrupted. my laptop (primary machine) and backup drive both failed at nearly the same time, so I had some of my data corrupted. I will see if I can dig up the links again. |
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| 08:20.10 | therealgalen | (the above failure is one of many reasons why I want a RAID) |
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| 08:21.37 | therealgalen | my understanding is that md works under 2.6 kernels |
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| 08:30.48 | therealgalen | anyhow, back to the original question... Intel Graphics Media Accerlator 950 and Linux... any suggestions on where the mythical xfree86 source code is located? |
| 08:31.13 | therealgalen | http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma950/ |
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| 08:35.33 | und0 | therealgalen: are you sure you need the source code? you can find it on the debian mirrors |
| 08:36.04 | therealgalen | und0: i don't need the source code... i just need to know how well it works |
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| 08:36.48 | und0 | therealgalen: ah, so i can't help you =) |
| 08:36.53 | therealgalen | in the absence of any apparent data on how well it works, i figure if i trace where the source code is located, I may find more data there on functionality - such as does it support XvMC? |
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| 08:37.03 | Secret | please help. |
| 08:37.14 | Secret | im root and whenever i try to type chmod +x file |
| 08:37.15 | Secret | it tells me |
| 08:37.19 | Secret | segment fault |
| 08:37.28 | Secret | the same with tar |
| 08:38.07 | therealgalen | und0: do you know for a fact the GMA 950 stuff can be found on the debian mirrors? |
| 08:38.23 | zzz | Hi! I use debian sid, and i made yesterday an apt-get upgrade. After i reboot it, i got this message by loading the kernel: LinuxEBDA too big. This is a precompiled 2.6.xx kernel, but if i try to load the 2.4.24 (compiled myself) kernel, everything is ok. Anybody idea how to fix the problem? I didn' t find any suitable information on google. |
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| 08:39.51 | jim | Secret: what operating system do you run? what version? what were the last few things you changed as root? or, think about everything you changed as root between the time it worked and the time it failed |
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| 08:40.18 | und0 | therealgalen: on the debian mirrors you can find the sources of xserver (or xorg), but don't know if the card is supported |
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| 08:40.51 | therealgalen | und0: so i would basically have to sort through and hope to find it.. hmmm wonder if I called Intel tomorrow what they would say? |
| 08:41.00 | Secret | jum> 2.4.20-8 #1 Thu Mar 13 17:54:28 EST 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 08:41.10 | Secret | well i dont know. was installing a bnc |
| 08:41.19 | Secret | when all it sudden it happened |
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| 08:41.46 | therealgalen | If the data presented at the Intel site http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma950/ is accurate and functional under linux, it should be more than ample as my video card, and save me a nice chunk of change compared to buying a PCI-E video card |
| 08:41.48 | und0 | therealgalen: usually you have zero support from HW vendors |
| 08:41.55 | jim | that looks like a linux kernel... what distribution? |
| 08:42.23 | Yagisan | G'day, anyone here with a non-i386 or non-amd64 sarge pbuilder setup ? |
| 08:42.40 | Secret | Red Hat Linux release 9 |
| 08:42.49 | jim | no idea |
| 08:42.57 | Secret | shall i just |
| 08:42.58 | Secret | reboot |
| 08:43.01 | Secret | and problem solved? |
| 08:43.02 | jim | no idea |
| 08:43.04 | therealgalen | und0: that's what i hate about Linux :) At least I can try. Look at Intel's site, they list Linux under "Operating Systems Supported" |
| 08:43.16 | Secret | thx for your help |
| 08:43.28 | therealgalen | And I can throw a fit if they don't "support" it like they do Windows... |
| 08:43.32 | jim | you might try #redhat |
| 08:44.07 | jim | you could also try the opposite approach, start from the x server and see what cards it supports |
| 08:44.08 | therealgalen | I'm rather good at getting companies to give me what I want sometimes |
| 08:44.24 | Nwallins | therealgalen: what's the secret? |
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| 08:44.54 | therealgalen | Nwallins: be nice, almost too nice, but be extremely firm with what you want, and always always go "up the chain" of people |
| 08:45.03 | therealgalen | Try multiple times |
| 08:45.04 | Fuwex | what was the command to download a file from the internet again? I seem to have forgot. |
| 08:45.28 | und0 | Fuwex: wget? |
| 08:45.32 | Fuwex | ah, thanks |
| 08:45.51 | Nwallins | therealgalen: easier said than done, but duly noted nonetheless |
| 08:45.53 | therealgalen | jim: I can only imagine how many cards are supported.... the key is I need a card that has enough performance for HDTV playback and XvMC, and not one iota more |
| 08:45.56 | jim | scp ftp wget nc bittorrent jigdo mozilla lynx |
| 08:46.37 | therealgalen | nwallins: last time I had problems with my cellular company, i ended up with three months free service and a treo 650, no contract or anything, by talking to the right people |
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| 08:46.51 | jim | therealgalen: just a thought. |
| 08:47.23 | Nwallins | therealgalen: i expect a full report on my desk by friday |
| 08:47.35 | therealgalen | nwallins: lol |
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| 08:48.32 | salahuddin66 | hello is there any way to create debian cd iso from DVD iso |
| 08:48.35 | therealgalen | this is more a futzing around hobby, the insane amount of work it is to track down compatibility with liux is why i have a hard time applying it professionally for stuff that requires complex non-server tasks |
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| 08:49.38 | jim | salahuddin66: what are you trying to accomplish |
| 08:49.55 | petemc | therealgalen: its not that hard to find out if something works reallt |
| 08:50.02 | salahuddin66 | actually i am downloading debian DVD 2 DVD for my lug |
| 08:50.12 | salahuddin66 | net speed is slow in my country |
| 08:50.12 | und0 | therealgalen: IIRC mythv has a HW compatibility list |
| 08:50.24 | therealgalen | und0: it is very limited |
| 08:50.34 | antgel | therealgalen: think you are making mountains out of molehills |
| 08:50.44 | jim | therealgalen: it is that amount of work that inspired me to suggest that you start from the x server compatibility list to determine the list of supported cards |
| 08:50.57 | salahuddin66 | i need to go to my friends home to write it |
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| 08:51.00 | therealgalen | petemc: ok then, tell me if the intel gma 950 works under linux and how fully it's features are supported under linux |
| 08:51.09 | petemc | therealgalen: im not your bitch |
| 08:51.12 | jim | rather than start from the card manufacturer and try to force them to do something |
| 08:51.15 | antgel | lol |
| 08:51.35 | salahuddin66 | i have a cdrw so if i got chance to burn it in cd |
| 08:51.42 | salahuddin66 | it will gr8 |
| 08:51.55 | jim | salahuddin66: get cd images for cd burning |
| 08:52.05 | jim | not dvd images |
| 08:52.38 | salahuddin66 | my lug need DVD image (i need time to write it in DVD) |
| 08:52.50 | jim | why? |
| 08:52.52 | therealgalen | the thing that I find a little irritating (not you, the thing in general) is that we even have to have this conversation in the first place... hardware support should be so straightforward, there should not be all these questions of "does it work? how well does it work compared to windows?" |
| 08:53.03 | salahuddin66 | i just wanna is there anyway to create with my downloaded DVD iso |
| 08:53.04 | salahuddin66 | thanx |
| 08:53.28 | jim | salahuddin66: not without a LOT of work |
| 08:53.37 | salahuddin66 | oh |
| 08:53.41 | jim | and nontrivial work too |
| 08:53.47 | snail | therealgalen: you're welcome to make ti juts work |
| 08:53.59 | petemc | salahuddin66: dvd burners are very cheap |
| 08:54.14 | und0 | therealgalen: blame the HW vendors |
| 08:54.28 | jim | therealgalen: btw, what are you comparing linux to when you say there should not be these questions? |
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| 08:54.31 | salahuddin66 | is it possible downoad DVD iso with mount-iso and (set the jido-path for cd to the mounted area)) |
| 08:54.36 | Guerin | salahuddin66: any explanation for your fucking ridiculous CTCP trollfest about 24 hours ago? |
| 08:54.38 | salahuddin66 | ya i will buy it soon |
| 08:54.50 | therealgalen | look at mac os x, look at windows |
| 08:54.57 | salahuddin66 | ya bro i was trying to register my nick |
| 08:54.57 | jim | therealgalen: under linux and most other unix variants, you -have- to know the hardware |
| 08:54.57 | Guerin | salahuddin66: i guess you must have changed ip addressen, since I saw you banned... |
| 08:54.58 | therealgalen | support is much more clear cut |
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| 08:55.02 | salahuddin66 | ya |
| 08:55.12 | jim | and there is more money to do that |
| 08:55.19 | salahuddin66 | then to ensure my nick i was giving "/me" |
| 08:55.20 | therealgalen | os x is a *nix variant... |
| 08:55.27 | salahuddin66 | i am new bie in irc |
| 08:55.28 | antgel | therealgalen: perhaps linux is just not for you |
| 08:55.50 | salahuddin66 | when i just enter here some one told me i am here for porno |
| 08:55.55 | salahuddin66 | it really heart me |
| 08:56.14 | Guerin | salahuddin66: aww. |
| 08:56.17 | Nwallins | i <3 you |
| 08:56.22 | jim | let's explore that end... why not put your money into a machine that would run macosx or windows? |
| 08:56.39 | jim | what is it about linux that attracts you? |
| 08:56.47 | Guerin | jim: put money into the machine, sure. Just not the OS. |
| 08:56.53 | Nwallins | free as in freedom! |
| 08:58.11 | jim | salahuddin66: maybe your nick or what you were trying to do suggested porn... |
| 08:58.14 | therealgalen | jim: I don't have unlimited money, and G5s are expensive. Windows is a bit of a security nightmare and has a stupid interface in so many ways. Linux is open source and has stuff like mythtv available. |
| 08:58.34 | alfatau | hi all, i've a debian vpn server, and today, happens something wrong: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forwards turns itself to 0. i tried to restore to 1 but even if i do echo 1 > /proc/sys... its value rests to 0. The only thing i did before getting this strange problem was installing proftpd, but i used it yesterday and it worked. i'm running a 2.4.29 kernel on a debian sarge, and unfortunately i can't reboot from here, because the server needs to pre |
| 08:58.53 | antgel | therealgalen: anything with the apple logo is atrociously expensive |
| 08:59.10 | jim | therealgalen: so the issues are cost, security and software availability |
| 08:59.13 | therealgalen | Except when it's a totally new technology and brand new. |
| 08:59.34 | salahuddin66 | no i just entered (anywayz leave this topic ? happed is happed) |
| 08:59.40 | antgel | therealgalen: do you need opengl support? |
| 08:59.41 | jim | I got an apple ][ :) |
| 08:59.42 | therealgalen | jim: yep. the linux hardware nightmare is more of something i just have to deal with |
| 08:59.50 | antgel | hmm i thought i was ignoring him |
| 08:59.55 | antgel | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.07 | salahuddin66 | no pasha is my user name |
| 09:00.13 | antgel | bugger |
| 09:00.20 | salahuddin66 | that is resigtered by some one |
| 09:00.23 | antgel | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.27 | salahuddin66 | so i am using salahuddin66 |
| 09:00.28 | antgel | will that do it? |
| 09:00.40 | antgel | i'm new to this ignoring lark |
| 09:00.53 | therealgalen | antgel: i would hope that a card i'm purchasing has opengl... but i suppose i don't really need it. |
| 09:01.14 | jim | therealgalen: that's one of the consequences of going with an os that is arguably underground in nature |
| 09:01.22 | antgel | therealgalen: then why not just use x with the vesa driver? it's worked for me before when i didn't need anything flash |
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| 09:01.49 | therealgalen | antgel: I really need XvMC |
| 09:02.04 | jim | what's that for? |
| 09:02.33 | und0 | i suppose motion compensation |
| 09:02.40 | therealgalen | XvMC = X Video Motion Compensation, basically a technique to offload the most CPU intensive parts of MPEG 2 decoding to the GPU |
| 09:03.05 | antgel | therealgalen: does that not work with the vesa driver? |
| 09:03.30 | therealgalen | I seriously doubt it. It's card-specific functionality. |
| 09:04.06 | therealgalen | (That's another issue with OS X. There's no way to access the API for XvMC, despite Apple using it for DVD playback, the framework is completely closed. Not even QuickTime can access any sort of motion compensation/iDCT acceleration.) |
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| 09:04.39 | antgel | therealgalen: is that a fact or are you assuming? according to http://www.xfree86.org/~mvojkovi/XvMC_API.txt, it only depends on the xv extension which _probably_ works with the vesa driver. |
| 09:05.26 | therealgalen | antgel: interesting point, i will see if i can determine that for certain... but XvMC seems like an above and beyond feature more than anything |
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| 09:05.35 | jim | antgel: but if you want to deal with facts, you'll have to definitively resolve the "_probably_" :) |
| 09:05.44 | bassM | hi, does anyone know if I can make squid/dansguardian log which users access which sites, or can it only log from what ip the request comes? |
| 09:05.46 | antgel | therealgalen: i don't know what you mean but good luck |
| 09:05.53 | bassM | my intention is to use it at a school, but simply blocking inappropriate sites isn't enough... |
| 09:06.05 | antgel | jim: indeed :) i'm by no means certain on this, but he should have a go :) |
| 09:06.12 | jim | sure |
| 09:06.28 | therealgalen | antgel: i mean like an extra thing that isn't standard. i'll read up and see if it's in the vesa driver... |
| 09:07.17 | jim | so we've determined he likes everything about linux except the work involved in setting it up and maintaining it :) which for some things is understandable... it's a lot of work |
| 09:08.01 | jim | but on the other hand he's doing the work of determining what to get and how exactly it will be supported |
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| 09:08.14 | therealgalen | lol i'm not complaining about maintaining it |
| 09:08.22 | jim | so he'll have less thinking work to do once he gets the parts together |
| 09:08.42 | therealgalen | i would rather not end up wasting money, that's the issue more than anything |
| 09:08.57 | antgel | therealgalen: you have a linux box up and running? |
| 09:09.21 | therealgalen | well, other than my server (not at this location), not at the moment |
| 09:09.25 | therealgalen | i have in the past |
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| 09:09.34 | leminhteo | hi all |
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| 09:09.37 | peter-x | hi |
| 09:09.39 | jim | hi |
| 09:09.40 | leminhteo | how can i config dhcp |
| 09:09.46 | Whisky_ | omg i got a new 2nd lan card and its working now |
| 09:09.48 | antgel | therealgalen: the i810 man page states: i810 is an Xorg driver for Intel integrated graphics chipsets. |
| 09:10.00 | Whisky_ | k brb |
| 09:10.06 | antgel | therealgalen: i810 supports the i810, i810-DC100, i810e, i815, 830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G, 915G and 915GM chipsets. |
| 09:10.12 | jim | !weaytta |
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| 09:10.20 | leminhteo | i cant find file /etc/dhcp.conf |
| 09:10.20 | jim | !waytta |
| 09:10.25 | leminhteo | pls help me |
| 09:10.36 | jim | !wayttae |
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| 09:10.50 | jim | -argh- |
| 09:11.05 | petemc | leminhteo: /etc/dhc<tab><tab> |
| 09:11.06 | harleyg | hi guys |
| 09:11.13 | antgel | !tell leminhteo about dhcp client |
| 09:11.33 | leminhteo | ??? |
| 09:11.38 | therealgalen | antgel: that would be it. not sure why they're referring to the mobo chipset instead of the actual gpu chipset, however, because multiple mobos use the chipset. (that may have been why i was having issues finding data on it) |
| 09:11.42 | jim | !wayttd |
| 09:11.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 09:11.52 | leminhteo | i want to config dhcp |
| 09:12.04 | leminhteo | but i cant find file dhcp.conf |
| 09:12.09 | jim | ok, I give up |
| 09:12.16 | leminhteo | how can i config it |
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| 09:12.25 | jim | I'm not pulling teeth, let him pull his own |
| 09:12.29 | therealgalen | antgel: the grand question is, does that chipset support XvMC? |
| 09:12.39 | therealgalen | (i'm searching right now) |
| 09:12.44 | antgel | therealgalen: it might even detect a 950-based chipset now |
| 09:12.46 | und0 | leminhteo: do you have installed the dhcp client package(s)? |
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| 09:12.55 | petemc | leminhteo: if you cant fidn the file, you're going to have a hard time when you try to actually edit it |
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| 09:13.23 | nkuttler | leminhteo: whan't your shell? |
| 09:13.25 | antgel | therealgalen: Option "XvMCSurfaces" "integer" This option enables XvMC. The integer parameter specifies the number of surfaces to use. Valid values are 6 and 7. Default: XvMC is disabled. |
| 09:13.27 | petemc | leminhteo: did you even install a dhcpd? |
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| 09:13.46 | jim | petemc: no he won't... he'll have an empty file, he'll write "mary had a little lamb" and hit return a coupla times, save the file, done! |
| 09:14.05 | therealgalen | antgel: the problem is the "might" in that statement about the GMA 950 / Intel 945G mobo... |
| 09:14.20 | s_ward | jim, that's an effective method of running a DHCP server! :) |
| 09:14.31 | therealgalen | antgel: i know XvMC is off by default, you only turn it on if you have a card that supports it. |
| 09:14.42 | jim | s_ward: oh, I thought he wanted to edit a file! |
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| 09:15.23 | jim | petemc: but seriously,,, so far he's refused to tell exactly what he's trying to accomplish... |
| 09:15.25 | leminhteo | yes |
| 09:15.30 | antgel | therealgalen: my point being that that last paste was from the i810 driver page, so the driver does support it. |
| 09:15.32 | leminhteo | i have installed |
| 09:15.36 | petemc | jim: not uncommon in here |
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| 09:15.41 | jim | nope |
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| 09:16.10 | nkuttler | leminhteo: _what_ do you have installed? packagename? |
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| 09:16.36 | jim | so in response to leminhteo not saying exactly what he was trying to accomplish, I decided not to do anything, because it's too hard to help an uncooperative helpee |
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| 09:17.25 | Secret | if i changed |
| 09:17.28 | Secret | PATH="." |
| 09:17.30 | Secret | by mistake |
| 09:17.32 | Secret | how to get it back |
| 09:17.34 | antgel | !enter |
| 09:17.34 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 09:17.37 | Secret | which is the default path? |
| 09:17.50 | Lordthundering | guys, anybody here that could help me with ntlm_auth? on sarge, it doesn#t allow for usernames shorter than 5 chars. |
| 09:17.51 | jim | log out and log back in again |
| 09:18.16 | nkuttler | Secret: . ~/.bashrc or bash_profile |
| 09:18.40 | therealgalen | (as far as my server, it's quite reliable and pleasant to use, apache/php/mysql/jabberd2 etc. server stuff seems quite straightforward... it's just this hardware that is a pain... if apache is broken, fixing it is easy enough. If the drivers are broken or don't exist, making it work can be tricky, some things have closed documentation an have yet to even hardly work under linux) |
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| 09:18.41 | jim | Secret: where did you type PATH=.? |
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| 09:18.59 | superlinux | hi alll |
| 09:19.00 | Secret | usr/sbin |
| 09:19.04 | jim | Secret: where did you type PATH=.? |
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| 09:19.11 | superlinux | i am using pon and poff to from my modem |
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| 09:20.16 | Lordthundering | superlinux, sounds like one would do that, yeah |
| 09:20.20 | jim | Secret is yet another uncooperative, nonresponsive helpee |
| 09:20.36 | antgel | jim: i think he's a troll, have ignored him |
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| 09:20.46 | Secret | lol no. im just figuring it out |
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| 09:21.28 | jim | then -respond- if you don't want everyone who can possibly help you denying lines coming from your client |
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| 09:21.40 | TwistedEmotions | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3101 2005-08-03 02:19 index.html-rw------- 1 root root 26 2005-08-03 02:15 linux.html |
| 09:21.44 | TwistedEmotions | Err.. |
| 09:21.45 | TwistedEmotions | sorry |
| 09:21.56 | jim | oooh! purty! |
| 09:22.09 | TwistedEmotions | How do I make the linux.html have the same access as index.html? |
| 09:22.29 | jim | chmod? |
| 09:22.29 | therealgalen | antgel: i'm now sorting through source code, it appears they do support the 945G mobo, but I need to read further |
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| 09:22.30 | nkuttler | TwistedEmotions: man chmod, man chown |
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| 09:22.46 | antgel | therealgalen: the invoice is in the post. ;) |
| 09:22.49 | therealgalen | (but of course, none of this is documented in the i810 docs.....) |
| 09:22.51 | jim | well not chown, they're already the same that way |
| 09:22.51 | Secret | jim stfu or im gona have to disconnect you from the net. |
| 09:23.07 | jim | !ops Secret is troll |
| 09:23.07 | antgel | !tell TwistedEmotions about chmod |
| 09:23.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Secret is troll |
| 09:23.15 | nkuttler | jim: wtf... |
| 09:23.41 | Secret | !ops jim is troll |
| 09:23.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jim is troll |
| 09:23.44 | Secret | sweet. |
| 09:23.55 | nkuttler | Secret: ok, _that_ will get you kicked |
| 09:24.01 | liable | Secret: dont do that, its not funny or smart. |
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| 09:24.17 | Secret | im just getting it back. |
| 09:24.37 | liable | Secret: no, that just pisses the ops, and gets you kicked. |
| 09:25.02 | Secret | howcome no one complaint to jim |
| 09:25.08 | jim | and you're not trying to help even with your own issue while I WAS trying -hard- to help you. |
| 09:25.25 | liable | Secret: agreed it was uncalled for, but you doing it, is doubly so... |
| 09:25.28 | nkuttler | jim: hell give him some _time_ to try things we told him |
| 09:25.46 | liable | agreed |
| 09:26.29 | jim | he should know where he typed the PATH= line into, and knowing that little piece of info would have solved the whole problem |
| 09:26.33 | jeh_work | therealgalen: no need to dig up the raid links, i should be able to find the info just fine. if it's too hidden then the whole thing is probably something i don't want to do anyway :) |
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| 09:27.06 | jim | like: |
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| 09:27.32 | therealgalen | jeh_work: md works under 2.6 kernel quite nicely. it's also not too hard to use |
| 09:27.48 | therealgalen | or mdadm |
| 09:28.06 | jeh_work | therealgalen: yeah, it seems easy to use. i found this, btw: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 09:28.18 | liable | jeh_work: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/linux-adv/raid.htm |
| 09:28.37 | liable | jeh_work: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 09:29.02 | liable | jeh_work: lots of links in the second one.. :) |
| 09:29.20 | Fuwex | I can't remember my password to my MySQL database... What do I do to retrieve it? |
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| 09:29.30 | antgel | i asked a few times yesterday but no response. can anyone tell me how to modify a dpkg factoid? |
| 09:29.30 | jeh_work | liable: yes, looks like a nice resource |
| 09:29.30 | jim | did he type it into a file? was that file called .bashrc or some other file the shell reads? did he type it in his shell? |
| 09:29.37 | nkuttler | Fuwex: apt-get install mysql-doc |
| 09:29.51 | Fuwex | I'll try that nkuttler |
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| 09:30.26 | Whisky_ | Damn bloody packet loss |
| 09:30.28 | liable | antgel: dpkg foo, is not easily learned :) |
| 09:30.31 | jim | Secret: you have an awful lot of open ports... don't you think you should stop flooding me now? |
| 09:30.41 | kofj | Fuwex: stop mysqld then run safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables, just update your password now |
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| 09:30.49 | Fuwex | okay, thanks kofj |
| 09:30.58 | Secret | i didnt flood you. |
| 09:31.00 | Secret | im too busy |
| 09:31.00 | Whisky_ | antgel: I got a similar card to eth0 and it works correct now but I still get packet loss at the other end. |
| 09:31.04 | Secret | fixing this damn box |
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| 09:32.05 | antgel | Whisky_: as predicted, a h/w problem. good. so which way do you get packet loss when you ping? |
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| 09:32.44 | antgel | liable: i'd by lying if i said i understood that. :) |
| 09:32.47 | therealgalen | OK, I am officially satisfied that the 945G/GMA950 is supported for XvMC. Reading through i810 source code isn't my favorite activity, however. |
| 09:32.48 | antgel | by -> be |
| 09:32.51 | Fuwex | kofj, you sure it ain't mysqld_safe instead of safe_mysqld? |
| 09:32.59 | antgel | therealgalen: you love it! |
| 09:33.15 | Whisky_ | antgel: Both ways |
| 09:33.21 | Whisky_ | from Linux > Windows: 43 packets transmitted, 29 received, 32% packet loss, time 41996ms |
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| 09:33.36 | Whisky_ | and out of 4, one packet is always lost from Windows > Linux |
| 09:34.05 | antgel | Whisky_: ok, on linux, do an ifdown eth<external> and pull that cable out. try ping again |
| 09:34.38 | Fuwex | kofj, it doesn't ask me for any password, just says mysqld_safe[19433]: started |
| 09:34.44 | Whisky_ | antgel: eth1? The local card? |
| 09:34.48 | kofj | Fuwex : maybe the different edition ,different filename |
| 09:34.55 | therealgalen | It appears that support is rather new, 5/31/2005 it was added |
| 09:35.08 | nevyn | what is with mirrors not being able to get debian right? |
| 09:35.18 | nkuttler | Fuwex: rtfm, it's right in the toc |
| 09:35.19 | antgel | Whisky_: disable the wan card. leave the local card enabled and plugged in |
| 09:35.30 | kofj | Fuwex: Then get in mysql use command "mysql" |
| 09:35.36 | Fuwex | okay |
| 09:35.45 | kofj | Fuwex:or the complete path |
| 09:35.53 | Whisky_ | that would get me disconnected right now but oh well :| |
| 09:35.59 | eXistenZ | why cannot I find aMule in the packages list, although it's already available for debian? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/amule |
| 09:36.00 | antgel | liable: did someone say /msg dpkg help corrections? :) |
| 09:36.00 | Fuwex | access denied ;o |
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| 09:36.22 | kofj | Fuwex:killall mysqld first |
| 09:36.23 | antgel | Whisky_: fine, try pinging again with the other card disabled and come back to us |
| 09:36.35 | liable | antgel: /msg dpkg help more foo :P |
| 09:36.36 | Fuwex | nkuttler, where is the documentation located? I couldn't apt-get install mysql-doc btw |
| 09:36.37 | nkuttler | eXistenZ: do you run unstable? |
| 09:36.52 | eXistenZ | nkuttler: unstable what |
| 09:37.06 | Ronin | heh well that bug still needs fixin i see :) |
| 09:37.13 | jim | eXistenZ: what operating system do you run? |
| 09:37.18 | nkuttler | Fuwex: hmm... google it, it's on the web as well |
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| 09:37.37 | nkuttler | eXistenZ: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:37.52 | Fuwex | kofj, still same result though |
| 09:37.54 | nkuttler | Fuwex: it may have moved to non-free |
| 09:37.59 | eXistenZ | erm |
| 09:38.13 | eXistenZ | 3.1 |
| 09:38.19 | kofj | Fuwex: maybe mysql take a new para in the new edition |
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| 09:38.30 | antgel | !livecd |
| 09:38.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. |
| 09:38.35 | nkuttler | eXistenZ: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/amule you see that 'unstable' thing? |
| 09:38.41 | Fuwex | nkuttler, I guess http://dev.mysql.com/doc/ would do the trick? Anyway, the docs are huge, what specificly am I looking for? |
| 09:38.42 | berzerka | eXistenZ: its probably only in the unstable repository. solved your font problem? |
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| 09:39.07 | Whisky_ | antgel: Yup, still packet loss. |
| 09:39.10 | eXistenZ | berzerka: yeppers |
| 09:39.19 | berzerka | eXistenZ: how? |
| 09:39.20 | antgel | Whisky_: did you do an ifdown on the card as well? |
| 09:39.20 | nkuttler | Fuwex: reference manual |
| 09:39.30 | eXistenZ | berzerka: I added some packages, and both languages: Arabic & Hebrew now work. |
| 09:39.41 | berzerka | eXistenZ: nice. |
| 09:39.41 | eXistenZ | I think I added the Arabeyes package |
| 09:39.46 | Whisky_ | yup, down and unplugged |
| 09:40.09 | eXistenZ | nkuttler: what about the unstable? |
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| 09:40.17 | jim | eXistenZ: 3.1 is released as stable... which means it won't ever get new versions of anything, not officially anyway... if you want however, there are ways to get some newer software (including looking for backports and backporting yourself). |
| 09:40.19 | Fuwex | hmm, it's rather huge again, nkuttler, anything more specific? |
| 09:40.19 | antgel | Whisky_: hmm. how did you switch routing on? via /etc/network/options or echoing direectly to /proc? |
| 09:40.23 | nkuttler | eXistenZ: you don't run unstable |
| 09:40.43 | eXistenZ | I see |
| 09:40.51 | Fuwex | nkuttler, user account management? |
| 09:40.57 | Whisky_ | antgel: I havent been through any of these steps :/ |
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| 09:41.07 | kofj | Fuwex: I have tried my way just now, it's available |
| 09:41.11 | eXistenZ | it says in one of the wikis, that I can add to the sources.list this line and it'll work: deb http://dude.gemil.de/ debian/ |
| 09:41.14 | nkuttler | Fuwex: read the toc, search for forget or password or something |
| 09:41.19 | eXistenZ | http://www.amule.org/wiki/index.php/HowTo_Compile_In_Debian |
| 09:41.20 | antgel | Whisky_: you must have switched routing on in order to access the Internet from your Windows box |
| 09:41.30 | Whisky_ | antgel: But I havent :/ |
| 09:41.40 | Whisky_ | and by the way, no more internet on the Windows box either |
| 09:41.41 | Fuwex | kofj, hmm, weird |
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| 09:41.54 | kofj | Fuwex: killall mysqld /opt/somepath/bin/mysql_safe --skip-grant-tables /opt/somepath/bin/mysql |
| 09:42.07 | Fuwex | nkuttler, is there any way I can get a list of all the usernames in my mysql database? |
| 09:42.10 | jim | additionally, you can get source for whatever you want, and as long as you take on the job of maintaining your copy of it and satisfy the build requirements, you'll be able to get pretty much anything out there |
| 09:42.12 | antgel | Whisky_: you would need to for that to work. can you post ifconfig and cat /etc/resolv.conf output in #flood? |
| 09:42.18 | nkuttler | Fuwex: yes |
| 09:42.22 | berzerka | eXistenZ: you could also install this one package (and eventual dependencies not in stable/testing) out of unstable. |
| 09:42.25 | Whisky_ | sure |
| 09:42.32 | Fuwex | nkuttler, do you know by any chance how...? ;p |
| 09:42.37 | kofj | Fuwex: ./mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables |
| 09:43.00 | eXistenZ | How can I run a file as a root? or edit a file as a root, not from the terminal |
| 09:43.01 | kofj | Fuwex: this is the most important ,use --skip-grant-tables |
| 09:43.03 | Fuwex | kofj, I'll try your way again |
| 09:43.06 | jim | berzerka: that's much worse than a backport, it could render entire sections of his install useless |
| 09:43.12 | kofj | Fuwex: good luck |
| 09:43.40 | berzerka | jim: it could. :) yes youre right.. |
| 09:43.57 | jim | like say it upgraded his libc... |
| 09:44.13 | antgel | Whisky_: and output of /sbin/route, while we're at it |
| 09:44.22 | Fuwex | kofj, access denied again |
| 09:44.28 | antgel | Whisky_: got it! |
| 09:44.52 | antgel | i asked you yesterday if there were any errors in ifconfig. you said no. you lied. |
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| 09:45.02 | StijnT | lol |
| 09:45.04 | Whisky_ | there arent, it says 0 errors :/ |
| 09:45.04 | jim | berzerka: the thing is that stable (being unmoving) and unstable (which is now moving faster and faster away from stable) are less and less compatible at each mirror pulse |
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| 09:45.07 | antgel | eth1 shows 11 error on the RX |
| 09:45.12 | Fuwex | How do I get a list of usernames in my MySQL database? |
| 09:45.18 | Whisky_ | omg :O |
| 09:45.31 | Loix | i don't know why debian 3.1 not install X11 |
| 09:45.31 | Whisky_ | damn :| |
| 09:45.32 | nkuttler | Fuwex: start reading that manual |
| 09:45.41 | kofj | Fuwex: I am sorry to hear that ,but it really works on my system |
| 09:45.43 | Loix | 14 CDs i have |
| 09:46.00 | Loix | ? |
| 09:46.01 | antgel | Whisky_: is eth1 the new internal card? |
| 09:46.06 | Whisky_ | Yes |
| 09:46.09 | Whisky_ | its the new one |
| 09:46.15 | jim | give them 14 cds to download, and they will all download them all... |
| 09:46.18 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: you mean why isnt X11 installed with debian? |
| 09:46.27 | antgel | Whisky_: have you tried swapping the card in the winshit box? |
| 09:46.32 | Loix | TwistedEmotions, yes |
| 09:46.38 | TwistedEmotions | jim: exactly what I was thinking.. |
| 09:46.49 | Whisky_ | antgel: Not really. Should I try the old card i had inplace of eth1 ? |
| 09:46.51 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: because some people dont want a gui ;) |
| 09:46.59 | Fuwex | nkuttler, I am, but it's HUGE |
| 09:46.59 | Whisky_ | The windowz one is an Intel card. |
| 09:47.03 | Loix | ok me too |
| 09:47.13 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: or lets say for a server.. there is no reason to have a gui ;) |
| 09:47.14 | Loix | but some times i wana ;p |
| 09:47.19 | nkuttler | Fuwex: that's a _good_ thing. read the relevant parts. |
| 09:47.26 | Fuwex | nkuttler, gah lol |
| 09:47.31 | Fuwex | damnit, I hate mysql |
| 09:47.40 | antgel | Whisky_: give it a go i reckon. should be quick. but if you want to be really scientific swap it for a new one. :) |
| 09:47.41 | Loix | ok how i can install it FULL ? |
| 09:47.41 | jim | use postgres! |
| 09:47.53 | Whisky_ | ermm ok. |
| 09:47.58 | Fuwex | jim, I can't, the software only works with mysql, I think |
| 09:47.59 | Secret | how to kill a pts online... and yes. im sorry for the last behaviour |
| 09:48.00 | Whisky_ | antgel: Anyway what do the 11 errors on eth1 mean ? |
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| 09:48.05 | jim | FULL of what? |
| 09:48.16 | antgel | Whisky_: and please try to concentrate! if you'd seen the errors yesterday, would have saved a lot of time |
| 09:48.20 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: there is no way to do that.... debian starts off with a base package and you install whatever extra you want... |
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| 09:48.34 | nkuttler | Loix: do you know apt-cdrom? |
| 09:48.49 | antgel | Whisky_: means that there is a problem at ethernet layer, not ip. cards, cables, switches etc. interference, could be anything. |
| 09:48.56 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: debian has thousands and thousands of different softwares you can install onto it.. you want to install them all? |
| 09:49.02 | Whisky_ | hmm. |
| 09:49.04 | Loix | no i was used apt-setup then i choose cdrom |
| 09:49.06 | Whisky_ | Ok ill switch the windows card. |
| 09:49.07 | Whisky_ | brb |
| 09:49.09 | jim | at least he's got all of sarge and will never need to download any part of it again... |
| 09:49.16 | nkuttler | Loix: did you feed it all cdroms? |
| 09:49.33 | Loix | nkuttler, yes |
| 09:49.37 | nkuttler | Loix: /msg dpkg faq |
| 09:50.04 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: do you really want to install every package debian has? |
| 09:50.10 | Loix | nkuttler, what is this ? |
| 09:50.24 | liable | Loix: run 'tasksel' as root, pick desktop environment. |
| 09:50.40 | Loix | TwistedEmotions, yes because this is the first one installing for me ;p |
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| 09:50.57 | jim | Loix: he's stating that at this point your question is a FAQ, and has said how you can find the FAQ list document |
| 09:51.09 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: Heh? |
| 09:51.17 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: dude... listen |
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| 09:51.19 | nkuttler | Loix: actually, _that_ is not in the faq and is a stupid thing to do |
| 09:51.36 | Loix | TwistedEmotions, yes ... what's up |
| 09:51.43 | jim | he might want x-window-system |
| 09:51.50 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: that is like installing every program that is available for windows.. |
| 09:52.04 | Loix | nkuttler, i have 14 CDs i stupid or you |
| 09:52.05 | nkuttler | jim: he said he wants to install all packages... |
| 09:52.08 | Fuwex | YAY, I found out my password, don't need to read the friggin huge reference manual! wohooo ;p |
| 09:52.09 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: all you need is a GUI and a freaking internet/mail program. |
| 09:52.10 | jim | you'd need a big hd for that :P |
| 09:52.13 | liable | jim: I think thats all he really wants at the mo. |
| 09:52.16 | nkuttler | Loix: just go and try, i'll laugh at you |
| 09:52.27 | nkuttler | conflicts... |
| 09:52.34 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: It's gigs and gigs of data... illogical. |
| 09:52.39 | Loix | nkuttler, ;p ok man |
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| 09:52.51 | TwistedEmotions | nkuttler: if he runs stable he should be alright? |
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| 09:52.56 | Secret | how to kill a pts online... and yes. im sorry for the last behaviour |
| 09:52.58 | Matthias | Hi all |
| 09:53.08 | Loix | ok the first cd is installing for debian right ? |
| 09:53.21 | jim | TwistedEmotions: for installing -every- existing package? no... but x-window-system is ok |
| 09:53.21 | Loix | from 14 CDS |
| 09:53.29 | Loix | i hate windwos ;p |
| 09:53.40 | nkuttler | he begins to sound like a troll |
| 09:53.50 | liable | clueless me thinks.. |
| 09:53.59 | TwistedEmotions | agreed^^^ |
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| 09:54.27 | coywolf | I've forgot, how to install a .rpm file? |
| 09:54.29 | coywolf | alien? |
| 09:54.38 | TwistedEmotions | coywolf: that works.. |
| 09:54.51 | TwistedEmotions | coywolf: or build package yourself.. |
| 09:54.58 | coywolf | TwistedEmotions, what's the right way? |
| 09:55.07 | liable | Loix: pop cd1 in, log in as root, run 'tasksel' pick 'desktop environment' done. then install whatever else you want/need. |
| 09:55.07 | TwistedEmotions | coywolf: compile it yourself.. |
| 09:55.09 | coywolf | TwistedEmotions, I try to install realplayer |
| 09:55.22 | coywolf | TwistedEmotions, they give .bin and .rpm |
| 09:55.27 | jim | Loix: have you run any unix variants yourself? like macosx, bsd, other linux, anything like that? |
| 09:55.33 | liable | coywolf: use the .bin |
| 09:55.35 | Loix | ok liable |
| 09:55.39 | mobile | Good Morning Sirs! |
| 09:55.41 | coywolf | !mplayer |
| 09:55.42 | dpkg | [mplayer] not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 09:56.06 | Loix | i'm using linux |
| 09:56.16 | Loix | i know startx |
| 09:56.19 | coywolf | liable, .bin self install? |
| 09:56.22 | Matthias | Can anybody recommend me a programm (maybe gtk) similar to rhytmbox which is quite comfortable for huge mp3 collections? |
| 09:56.24 | Loix | startkde |
| 09:56.27 | jim | which is what you want to use? |
| 09:56.30 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: ... What distrib? |
| 09:56.35 | Loix | fedora |
| 09:56.43 | Loix | redhat before ;p |
| 09:56.51 | coywolf | is marillat dead? |
| 09:56.55 | eXistenZ | Can anyone help me fixing this? |
| 09:56.56 | jim | so you're moving to debian from fedora? |
| 09:56.57 | TwistedEmotions | then he's a troll... |
| 09:57.05 | eXistenZ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: amule: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9) but 1:3.4.3-13 is to be installed Depends: libwxgtk2.6-0 (>= 2.6.1.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:57.10 | Loix | tasksel this is a new command for me |
| 09:57.19 | coywolf | !marillat |
| 09:57.19 | TwistedEmotions | no one can have run linux before and be that dumb. |
| 09:57.19 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 09:57.21 | liable | coywolf: download it, make it executable, then just call it in a command line. |
| 09:57.39 | Fuwex | nkuttler, do you know how to display what port my MySQL is using? Please don't tell me to read the manual ;p |
| 09:57.41 | Whisky_ | antgel: The WindowZ box has an onboard card :/ |
| 09:57.45 | jim | !marillat key |
| 09:57.46 | dpkg | if you are using apt > 0.6 and it is complaining about a missing gpg key for marillat's repository, read here: http://debian.video.free.fr/, or ask me about <apt secure> |
| 09:57.48 | coywolf | liable, i want to manage it in a package way, so remove easily later |
| 09:57.49 | TwistedEmotions | eXistenZ: stable, testing, sid? |
| 09:57.49 | mobile | When I install a package it shows me The following NEW packages will be installed: package1,2,3,4,5.... If I want later to remove all those packages but didn't write them down, how can I know which those packages were? |
| 09:57.50 | Matthias | eXistenZ: what about libwxgtk2.6-0? |
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| 09:58.20 | eXistenZ | TwistedEmotions: I got 3.1, I guess stable. |
| 09:58.21 | TwistedEmotions | Loix: what are you trying to send me |
| 09:58.28 | eXistenZ | Matthias: it's already installed there =/ |
| 09:58.37 | Loix | no thing this is by mistake |
| 09:58.39 | eXistenZ | I don't know why it prompts me that it's not installed. |
| 09:58.41 | Matthias | eXistenZ: right version? |
| 09:58.42 | liable | coywolf: it will install to whatever directory you say. |
| 09:59.04 | TwistedEmotions | !tell Loix about msg |
| 09:59.42 | jim | Loix: what have you done so far to install debian? |
| 09:59.59 | TwistedEmotions | jim: trolled? |
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| 10:00.08 | Loix | ill install it on my laptop today |
| 10:00.20 | jim | so you haven't installed it at all yet? |
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| 10:00.27 | mobile | Anybody will have time to read my question? |
| 10:00.43 | cyc | heya, I have a weird problem with apt-get .... can anyone help? I get md5sum error for a amd64 package and I tried to dpkg -i that package ... it installed ok, but apt-get still wants to install that package |
| 10:00.48 | jim | not unless it's available to read |
| 10:01.02 | TwistedEmotions | mobile: just copy and paste |
| 10:01.05 | mobile | Here I repeat once more Sir |
| 10:01.09 | Loix | is debain 3.1 support winmodem ? |
| 10:01.09 | mobile | When I install a package it shows me The following NEW packages will be installed: package1,2,3,4,5.... If I want later to remove all those packages but didn't write them down, how can I know which those packages were? |
| 10:01.11 | eXistenZ | Matthias: well, I can see it says here when I try to install that version that there are more packages like libatkl1.0 and libgcc1 have unresolved dependencies. |
| 10:01.34 | TwistedEmotions | mobile: you running gui or no? |
| 10:01.48 | jim | Loix: still it's recommended to get a real modem, but there are some drivers that might work |
| 10:02.12 | mobile | TwistedEmotions I run iceWM at the moment, but always care to have minimal components installed |
| 10:02.33 | jim | different winmodems need different drivers... you shoudl consider throwing the winmodem into the trash and getting an external modem you hook to a serial port |
| 10:02.37 | Whisky_ | antgel !!! |
| 10:02.46 | antgel | Whisky_: i'm on the phone |
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| 10:02.57 | Loix | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-2903.html |
| 10:03.09 | Matthias | eXistenZ: are you trying to install over internet? |
| 10:03.15 | Matthias | eXistenZ: I mean fetching packages |
| 10:03.17 | TwistedEmotions | mobile: if you didnt write them down I think your screwed.. |
| 10:03.51 | eXistenZ | Matthias: yeppers, it says that it needs the 1.9 version of libatk while the latest version in my package list is 1.8 I guess |
| 10:04.04 | jim | TwistedEmotions: there might be debfoster and deborphan for that |
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| 10:04.09 | mobile | TwistedEmotions That's what I thought Sir, always write them down. For some reason I thought there is history for those packages somewhere. Thanks anyway Sir! |
| 10:04.09 | Fuwex | Weird, I get access denied, even if I type in the right password in MySQL... How come? |
| 10:04.24 | nevyn | what is it that's so hard about running a debian mirror? |
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| 10:04.38 | TwistedEmotions | mobile: I think aptitude keeps a log.. |
| 10:04.51 | jim | they keep changing what it is to be a mirror, for one |
| 10:05.02 | nevyn | jim: they? |
| 10:05.03 | Whisky_ | k |
| 10:05.35 | nevyn | jim: wget http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/unstable/Release |
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| 10:06.16 | nevyn | jim: wget http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release rather |
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| 10:06.28 | nevyn | then look at the date on the top of the file |
| 10:06.30 | jim | I don't want to be a mirror tho :) |
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| 10:07.01 | nevyn | jim: neither do I.. |
| 10:07.09 | nevyn | I just want the push primary mirrors to WORK. |
| 10:07.23 | eXistenZ | Matthias: still there? |
| 10:07.51 | jim | I was mirroring at one point, and it was just too hard to arrange to get just the parts of debian I was interested in and nothing else |
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| 10:08.06 | nevyn | jim: that's what caches are for. |
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| 10:08.41 | nevyn | jim: I have 6 debian systems in my house.. and slow broadband.. |
| 10:08.48 | nevyn | jim: having a cache is really useful. |
| 10:08.54 | antgel | Whisky_: if the card is onboard, put in a pci one and try it. if you don't have one, you could try taking your wan card out of your linux box. |
| 10:08.58 | jim | wasn't interested in going about it that way... for example, I was just interested in stable source and i386 and all |
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| 10:09.32 | nevyn | jim: what I'm bitching about is primary push mirrors that have release files that are weeks old. |
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| 10:09.47 | Whisky_ | antgel: If i take out the wan card, then what do i even share? :/ |
| 10:10.12 | zulkifar | Hi. What are "extended attributes" in ext2? Where to read about it? |
| 10:10.19 | Matthias | eXistenZ: try running apt-get update |
| 10:10.33 | antgel | Whisky_: just try it to see if you can ping back and forth between the two machines. |
| 10:10.37 | jim | nevyn: that's different than what I'm bitchin about :) |
| 10:10.47 | Whisky_ | antgel: ok... |
| 10:10.47 | Whisky_ | brb |
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| 10:10.56 | nevyn | jim: but you shouldn't be doing what you're doing ;) |
| 10:10.58 | kl1 | hi |
| 10:11.20 | victor44 | i've got a realy weird problem with installing debian sarge on my laptop... cd boots ok, then i can choose language etc. but it stops when it comes to "coping additional installer files" or sthg like this. then there's a menu in which i can choose check the disc (or sthg like this), but when i do this it immediately tell that it's not a debian 1st disc :D, do u know what can it be? i've installed on that laptop (dell latitude Cp |
| 10:11.20 | victor44 | i-A [366mhz]) knoppix and freebsd and i've never had any problems with cd... :/ btw. the same cd run very well on another pc... |
| 10:11.21 | eXistenZ | Matthias: I tried =/ |
| 10:11.23 | jim | ok, FINE. in that case, I'll stand. :) |
| 10:11.26 | kl1 | anyone knows any antispyware for debian? |
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| 10:11.26 | und0 | zulkifar: IIRC are used for ACL |
| 10:11.38 | Fuwex | Can I use PHPmyAdmin to import an .sql file? |
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| 10:12.12 | Matthias | eXistenZ: and it did not help? |
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| 10:13.02 | jim | nevyn: seriously, I'm not doing anything like that now :) I'm just bitching how hard it was to use rsync, program it to exclude what I didn't want, then write a script to do lots of little rsyncs to get the missing pieces... |
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| 10:13.39 | jim | kl1: first consider this question: is there spyware that runs on debian? |
| 10:13.51 | eXistenZ | Matthias: nope, I need the 1.9 version of libatk1 |
| 10:14.11 | kl1 | <jim> im not sure |
| 10:14.37 | nevyn | jim: rsync for stuff other than the Packages file is wrong. |
| 10:14.38 | jim | ok, then consider the question of why you want antispyware |
| 10:14.47 | Matthias | eXistenZ: stable? unstable? |
| 10:14.56 | victor44 | kl1: so what do u need antispyware for :D |
| 10:14.56 | nevyn | kl1: do you trust debian? |
| 10:14.57 | eXistenZ | Matthias: stable |
| 10:15.02 | jim | nevyn: what do you do for the rest? |
| 10:15.03 | kl1 | oh ok |
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| 10:15.20 | victor44 | kl1: do you trust GNU ? :DD |
| 10:15.24 | nevyn | jim: ftp http whatever. |
| 10:15.29 | g0rd0n | which compressed file format supports spanning over several archive files? |
| 10:15.30 | nevyn | victor44: less than I trust debian. |
| 10:15.38 | Matthias | eXistenZ: hm, not included in stable, you're right |
| 10:15.40 | nevyn | victor44: some of the gplv3 musings are scary. |
| 10:16.04 | HmJ | can i configure bind views so what specified users all domains would resolve to one ip? |
| 10:16.06 | jim | gplv3 is out? |
| 10:16.07 | victor44 | not debian but GNU debian :> |
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| 10:16.41 | nevyn | victor44: I trust debian to maintain the line more than I trust GNU to. |
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| 10:17.18 | Loix | http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0764576445.html |
| 10:17.27 | nevyn | mainly because despite it's flaws debian is reasonably transparent where GNU is still too much a vehcial(sp) for RMS's rants |
| 10:17.38 | nevyn | rants is probably too harsh. |
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| 10:17.45 | eXistenZ | Matthias: any alternatives? |
| 10:17.53 | jim | no, he definitely rants |
| 10:18.02 | jim | in every sense of the word |
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| 10:18.28 | nevyn | he does.. but I don't mean to discredit his contribution to free software and stuff. it's just he's a little.. random |
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| 10:18.45 | jim | and he distances himself from people who don't believe exactly as he believes... |
| 10:19.00 | Matthias | eXistenZ: install newer libatk 1.9 !? |
| 10:19.00 | nevyn | he's a radical.. and that's exactly what computing needed to kick it into gear.. but... |
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| 10:19.07 | umbop | hmm what's the other utility for running programs as root, other than sudo, or changing uid with su ? |
| 10:19.08 | jim | sure |
| 10:19.14 | snail | nevyn: he has a political stance and to his credit he's maintained it very well. |
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| 10:19.28 | umbop | i'm sure it began with an x? or something, bit vague :-S |
| 10:19.33 | snail | umbop: logining in as root? |
| 10:19.38 | nevyn | snail: mostly. his recent inconsistancies scare me a little. |
| 10:19.45 | eXistenZ | yes |
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| 10:19.53 | umbop | not logging in as root, you can run programs as root |
| 10:19.58 | umbop | other than sudo, and su |
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| 10:20.08 | jim | hmm... GuBye! |
| 10:20.14 | nevyn | umbop: there's a bunch of frontends for the above. |
| 10:20.27 | nevyn | umbop: gtksu kdesu |
| 10:20.31 | liable | umbop: you mean x programs? |
| 10:20.36 | umbop | yes x programs |
| 10:20.39 | nevyn | there's also the ugly pile of crap script called su-to-root |
| 10:20.41 | liable | ^^ |
| 10:20.57 | liable | um gksu |
| 10:21.11 | liable | or sux too. |
| 10:21.16 | umbop | ahhh sux |
| 10:21.17 | umbop | that's the one |
| 10:21.23 | umbop | thanks :) |
| 10:21.29 | jim | isnt'a that a martial arts style? guk su? |
| 10:22.36 | nkuttler | jiu jitsu? |
| 10:22.49 | jim | su re! |
| 10:22.53 | jim | err, |
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| 10:22.54 | jim | sure! |
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| 10:24.15 | mobile | How can I install a new language on my system? |
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| 10:24.26 | nevyn | mobile: which one? |
| 10:24.38 | jim | apt-get install g++ |
| 10:24.38 | mobile | German |
| 10:24.46 | victor44 | mobile: brainfuck ? :> |
| 10:25.09 | snail | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:25.20 | jim | wait, that's an old language... but not quite so old as German... |
| 10:25.51 | nevyn | heh |
| 10:26.14 | nevyn | mobile: the basic german stuff should already be installed in the locales database |
| 10:26.34 | nevyn | mobile: you just need to generate the appropriate locale.. umm dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 10:26.38 | mops | where on startup is set my dnsdomainname? |
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| 10:27.18 | nevyn | mobile: if you want the german translations of gnome or kde... then they're packaged seperately |
| 10:27.25 | nevyn | or openoffice |
| 10:27.46 | mobile | nevyn that would not be necessary Sir, as I don't use those |
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| 10:28.17 | mobile | How do I switch between the languages? |
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| 10:28.30 | nevyn | export the right environment variables |
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| 10:29.10 | Whisky_ | antgel: It screwed things up :/ |
| 10:29.28 | Whisky_ | Got it back into my own PC, rebooting windows one and hoping even the few pings work. |
| 10:29.30 | s_ward | !tell mobile about locales |
| 10:29.33 | jim | ops should watch wdzvrytuhs for flooding |
| 10:30.01 | szzs | hi, i did a df -h command and it displayed X GB used. after that i did a du -s --block-size=GB cmd on the dir which contains the most data and its bigger than X. howcome is this? |
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| 10:30.44 | jim | wdzvrytuhs had same IP as rdybqtdtk |
| 10:31.30 | Whisky_ | ok 1 out of 4 packets lost. |
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| 10:31.35 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 10:31.39 | Loix | how i can setup network ? |
| 10:31.40 | leminhteo | how can i mount usb |
| 10:31.43 | mobile | When I type in AbiWord and I want to change from german to English, do I have to type export LANG=en_US? |
| 10:31.58 | Loix | like nis client and nfs ... etc ! |
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| 10:32.21 | jim | mobile: you mean like translate what you type? no, that's not what locales are for |
| 10:32.24 | leminhteo | pls help me |
| 10:32.30 | leminhteo | i have a usb |
| 10:32.34 | leminhteo | how can i mount it |
| 10:32.47 | nkuttler | leminhteo: google "linux usb mount"? |
| 10:33.05 | leminhteo | ok |
| 10:33.05 | leminhteo | thanks |
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| 10:33.33 | mobile | jim, I mean switching languages, Sir |
| 10:33.33 | jim | leminhteo: find out how you can watch logs of usb activity, start doing that, plug in and unplug device, see what logs say when you do that |
| 10:33.37 | s_ward | leminhteo, usbmount |
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| 10:34.17 | jelly | wtfghowuaqrp? |
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| 10:34.35 | jim | fghowuaqrp is another on same IP |
| 10:34.40 | trebor_red | hello. how do i check ramsize? |
| 10:34.51 | Guerin | trebor_red: cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 10:35.26 | s_ward | trebor_red, or, alternatively, free |
| 10:35.48 | trebor_red | MemTotal: 906312 kB??? that can not be right .... |
| 10:36.01 | Guerin | trebor_red: your hardware, bub |
| 10:36.17 | trebor_red | what does this mean? |
| 10:36.19 | antgel | Whisky_: why should the simple task of installing a pci ethernet card screw anything up? and what do you mean by that anyway? |
| 10:36.30 | jim | trebor_red: how much ram do you think you have installed? |
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| 10:36.37 | trebor_red | 4GB |
| 10:36.42 | trebor_red | jim: 4GB |
| 10:36.47 | Whisky_ | antgel: I mean everything was un-pingable. |
| 10:36.59 | jim | maybe you need to rebuild your kernel to support that much ram |
| 10:37.12 | antgel | Whisky_: did you configure the pci card in windows? |
| 10:37.38 | mobile | How can I switch keyboard layouts? |
| 10:37.40 | Whisky_ | antgel: Yup, i had the network connection enabled too afterwards. But there was no data transfer between the two systems |
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| 10:37.54 | trebor_red | jim: Linux t-dkicomp 2.6.11 #3 Tue Mar 8 12:06:25 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:38.03 | Whisky_ | mobile: dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xfree86 or xorg |
| 10:38.16 | trebor_red | is a 2.6.11 not capable of 4GB? |
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| 10:38.35 | antgel | Whisky_: you need to get that working, to test it. what ip addresses did you have at each end? subnet masks? |
| 10:38.46 | jim | I think it is, but you have to turn on the right switch in the configure |
| 10:38.56 | Loix | guys this is a good site for debina i hope help u ;p : http://qref.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 10:39.05 | Whisky_ | 192.168.0.1 for the Linux box and .2 for the windows one and subnet masks 255.255.255.0 at both ends |
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| 10:39.48 | antgel | Whisky_: windows firewall off on that connection as well? |
| 10:40.00 | trebor_red | is a kerenel 2.6.11 capable of 4GB RAM? |
| 10:40.09 | Whisky_ | yup |
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| 10:40.51 | antgel | he should still be able to ping |
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| 10:41.19 | Whisky_ | Forget about the internet; its lost on the WinXP machine :S |
| 10:41.27 | Rawplayer | ok |
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| 10:41.51 | antgel | Whisky_: what kernel? |
| 10:41.52 | Ae|-_GoD | Well, in (3.1), KDE, I have this query, when I get the mouse into the system tray where, there are some application running next to the clock, the panel "goes down" |
| 10:41.59 | Ae|-_GoD | have anyone look at it? |
| 10:42.25 | Ae|-_GoD | only this piece of panel :-P |
| 10:42.31 | Whisky_ | antgel: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 10:42.33 | sktrdie | can anyone help me with a really wierd problem I have... I cannot download from apt-get any kind of releated stuff with GNOME |
| 10:43.26 | sktrdie | for example if I do apt-get install GNOME I get this: |
| 10:43.28 | sktrdie | !paste |
| 10:43.28 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 10:43.47 | jim | trebor_red, did you compile your own kernel? |
| 10:44.12 | trebor_red | hm. i do not think so. |
| 10:44.20 | sktrdie | http://channels.debian.net/paste/443 |
| 10:44.26 | trebor_red | i have to wait for my admin then ... |
| 10:44.33 | jim | ok, what operating system are you running? |
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| 10:45.04 | mathieu | hi, when i try to mount a dvd: |
| 10:45.06 | mathieu | $ mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /mnt/dvd |
| 10:45.06 | mathieu | mount: No medium found |
| 10:45.13 | mathieu | am i doining something wrong? |
| 10:45.13 | antgel | Whisky_: you need to establish which of the pci cards works, and which doesn't. you could try putting them both in the linux box, configure /etc/network/interfaces to put them on the same subnet, restart networking, and then try to ping. |
| 10:45.17 | trebor_red | jim: debian. |
| 10:45.36 | Fuwex | How do I return which version my MySQL server is? |
| 10:45.37 | jim | ok, if you look in /boot, you should find the config file |
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| 10:46.07 | sktrdie | can anyone help me? I want GNOME :( |
| 10:46.19 | antgel | mathieu: what's on the dvd? data? |
| 10:46.35 | trebor_red | jim: /boot is not mounted ;) the admin did some tricks via lilo ... |
| 10:46.47 | mathieu | antgel, actually i'm not sure. I think so |
| 10:46.52 | jim | there is no /boot? |
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| 10:47.01 | Whisky_ | heh |
| 10:47.01 | jim | ok, I can't help with that |
| 10:47.10 | s_ward | sktrdie, /msg dpkg info gnome |
| 10:47.13 | Fuwex | How do I use PHPmyAdmin to execute a batch-query? |
| 10:47.34 | antgel | mathieu: then why are you trying to mount it? |
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| 10:47.51 | trebor_red | jim: i have to mount it .... have to look for lilo-conf for that. |
| 10:47.55 | bartden | hi, i have a vmware related question, i'm trying to run windows on my debian, do i need vmware workstation or vmware gsx , or something else ? |
| 10:48.15 | antgel | bartden: try qemu |
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| 10:48.27 | petemc | bartden: unless you need usb support, you can use qemu |
| 10:48.45 | mathieu | antgel, to see what's on it. should be photographs. |
| 10:49.08 | bartden | antgel so qemu, also runs the complete os virtual ? |
| 10:49.21 | jim | the admin should come if he wants to support all his ram... but NOTE that he will run into some minor adversity when he says that his /boot is not used, because everyone will think that he's not using debian, debian kernels, standard forms of grub or lilo configs, etc... in short, they'll think his installation is unsupportable or at least hard to support |
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| 10:49.33 | antgel | mathieu: can you normally mount a data dvd? tried this dvd in another box? |
| 10:49.57 | antgel | !tell bartden about qemu |
| 10:50.14 | jim | so he should be prepared to pastebot the complete explanation of what he's doing with that... then he might get some credibility :) |
| 10:50.20 | mathieu | antgel, i don't have had a data dvd before and i don't have an other dvd device |
| 10:50.31 | mathieu | .. i haven't had a ... |
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| 10:52.18 | knt | why are there rw permissions too of standalone binaries? why is 711 used instead of 111? |
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| 10:52.52 | antgel | mathieu: if it's a dvd to play in a dvd player, i don't think it's iso9660. if it is an iso9660 disc, maybe it's corrupt. can you mount data cd-roms? |
| 10:52.55 | jim | so that owner can read and write? |
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| 10:53.37 | knt | jim, what's the point of reading a binary? |
| 10:53.47 | eye69 | knt: The owner can write anyway, so there's no point in trying to disguise the fact. |
| 10:53.51 | Yahhas | hi, I'm using debian woddy (cant use sarge cuz that machine is a rented one and they dont have sarge)... Can someone please tell me how to allow the colors from bash?? |
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| 10:53.54 | jim | it's not always a binary |
| 10:54.01 | jim | but it is an executable |
| 10:54.09 | knt | eye69, what about 755 usage instead of 711? |
| 10:54.20 | knt | eye69, what's the point of read permissions of a binary? |
| 10:54.22 | mathieu | antgel, yes, i can mount data cd-roms |
| 10:54.34 | antgel | mathieu: exactly the same command line? |
| 10:55.26 | Yahhas | How to allow the bas colors please? |
| 10:55.34 | mathieu | antgel, yes |
| 10:55.35 | jim | Yahhas: ls --color=auto |
| 10:56.11 | Yahhas | jim: that will allow colors forever? or just for this session? |
| 10:56.12 | jim | the bad colors? the bas colors? |
| 10:56.22 | jim | jsut for that one invocation of ls |
| 10:56.24 | Yahhas | bash* |
| 10:56.24 | rixth | !info mozilla-firefox etch |
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| 10:56.41 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 10:56.57 | mathieu | $ ogle /dev/hdd |
| 10:57.02 | Yahhas | jim: It didnot allow the colors, I'm using woody as well. |
| 10:57.04 | sanxiyn | Hail Totem. |
| 10:57.06 | mathieu | libdvdread: Could not open input: No medium found |
| 10:57.23 | mathieu | antgel, or should i try an other app to 'play' dvd's? |
| 10:57.42 | antgel | mathieu: could try mplayer |
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| 10:58.03 | antgel | mathieu: sounds like a bad disc though |
| 10:58.31 | Yahhas | How to allow colors in woody pls? |
| 10:58.43 | nevyn | Yahhas: colors? |
| 10:58.46 | Yahhas | yes |
| 10:58.52 | sanxiyn | What colors? |
| 10:58.55 | Yahhas | colour* |
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| 10:59.25 | jim | take a look at your recent scrollback |
| 11:00.08 | Yahhas | him I did that cmd, and it allowed NO colors, I'm using woody, and I want to allow it for all users, automatically |
| 11:00.16 | jim | Yahhas: they can't help you if you don't tell them EXACTLY what you mean |
| 11:00.17 | leminhteo | does anybody play Starcarft in debian? |
| 11:00.45 | sanxiyn | leminhteo: I tried once upon a time... |
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| 11:01.08 | Yahhas | jim: I mean I have debian woody, and I want to allow colours for all users, automatically, in all sessions |
| 11:01.28 | sanxiyn | jim: Sorry, I joined recently. What colors Yahhas is talking about? |
| 11:01.28 | mathieu | antgel, i have two disks like that, and someone else could read them in windows (can't ask now how it was viewed) |
| 11:01.46 | jim | he hasn't said yet |
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| 11:02.11 | mobile | I still did not understand how to toggle between installed locales |
| 11:02.12 | Yahhas | sanxiyn: bash colours, or shell colours, when you do a "ls" you see files in colours! |
| 11:02.17 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Okay. |
| 11:02.19 | mobile | Can anybody direct me? |
| 11:02.33 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Put that on /etc/bash.bashrc or whatever. |
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| 11:02.37 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Or on skeleton. |
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| 11:02.50 | Yahhas | sanxiyn: put what? |
| 11:02.50 | tezra | I need help installing Debian on a RS/6000 machine |
| 11:02.59 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 11:03.00 | tezra | It wont boot from the sarge cd |
| 11:03.32 | jim | you might need to boot from floppys |
| 11:03.35 | antgel | tezra: what _does_ it do? |
| 11:03.43 | Yahhas | sanxiyn: did that command 2 times till now, and it allowed NO colours. |
| 11:03.53 | tezra | antgel, tries to read the cd then gives an error code - 20EE0008 |
| 11:03.57 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Strange. |
| 11:04.04 | tezra | It is an rs/6000 44p model 270 |
| 11:04.07 | Yahhas | sanxiyn: I'm using woody |
| 11:04.07 | leminhteo | pls help me |
| 11:04.08 | sanxiyn | Works/worked for me. |
| 11:04.12 | tezra | Power3-II processor |
| 11:04.17 | leminhteo | when i boot my PC |
| 11:04.17 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Doesn't matter. |
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| 11:04.22 | jim | Yahhas: ok, it's time for you to understand the problem domain |
| 11:04.27 | tezra | I downloaded the disc 1 of powerpc arch. |
| 11:04.29 | Yahhas | sanxiyn: Is there any further scripts I can install for allowing colors? |
| 11:04.32 | tezra | of sarge |
| 11:04.38 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: What script? |
| 11:04.38 | jim | Yahhas: first, man ls and find this color thing |
| 11:04.59 | leminhteo | it has error "missing operation system" |
| 11:05.06 | leminhteo | how can i fix it |
| 11:05.09 | leminhteo | pls help me |
| 11:05.14 | jim | Yahhas: figure out how ls does colors |
| 11:05.15 | Yahhas | jim: I did ls and no colors are shown |
| 11:05.19 | jm_ | missing operating system sounds like a BIOS error |
| 11:05.22 | jim | Yahhas: first, man ls and find this color thing |
| 11:05.27 | jim | FIRST |
| 11:05.42 | leminhteo | jim |
| 11:05.49 | Yahhas | what u mean? I show no colourss |
| 11:05.50 | jim | you must -understand- what's going on. |
| 11:05.52 | Yahhas | iit* |
| 11:05.55 | mobile | How can I toggle between locales? |
| 11:05.55 | Yahhas | it* |
| 11:05.57 | Yahhas | damnit |
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| 11:06.04 | leminhteo | i think mbr error |
| 11:06.12 | leminhteo | like in window |
| 11:06.17 | leminhteo | how can i fix it |
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| 11:06.22 | drac | mobile: Maybe you want "dpkg-reconfigure locales" ? |
| 11:06.35 | black_Nightmare | any of you know about watching tv in debian from the ati tv tuner? |
| 11:06.37 | black_Nightmare | :-) |
| 11:06.40 | sanxiyn | mobile: Set LC_ALL. |
| 11:06.52 | mobile | drac, Sir, I have already installed them. Now how can I toggle them for writing? |
| 11:06.53 | sanxiyn | drac: Well, he wants to "toggle" between locales. |
| 11:07.02 | jim | Yahhas: because we can't communicate if there's missing info going in both directions. |
| 11:07.06 | sanxiyn | mobile: Set appropriate environment variable. |
| 11:07.10 | antgel | tezra: you got anything else you can try to boot the disc on |
| 11:07.17 | jim | Yahhas, so: |
| 11:07.20 | jim | Yahhas: first, man ls and find this color thing |
| 11:07.31 | mobile | sanxiyn Sir, can you tell me how? |
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| 11:08.06 | sanxiyn | mobile: usually, export LC_ALL= (say) ko_KR.EUC-KR. |
| 11:08.08 | antgel | !tell leminhteo about livecd |
| 11:08.08 | jim | Yahhas: btw, I'm showing you what to read, then I'm -gone- |
| 11:08.13 | tezra | antgel, im afraid not |
| 11:08.29 | sanxiyn | jim: Well, not much to read there... man ls and color... |
| 11:08.32 | leminhteo | antgel |
| 11:08.36 | tezra | antgel, according to some info i got from google the error code means "no adapters found" :-? |
| 11:08.38 | leminhteo | what is livecd |
| 11:08.46 | antgel | tezra: you're telling me that ibm doesn't have a power pc machine? :) |
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| 11:09.03 | tezra | antgel, Im sure they have, I just dont have access to them ;) |
| 11:09.14 | Yahhas | how to exit the man? :/ |
| 11:09.16 | jim | Yahhas: after you have read the ls man page and determined how to set color to ls... then, you must understand how to set that option for ls for a whole session |
| 11:09.25 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Type 'q'. |
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| 11:09.31 | jim | Yahhas: same as how you exit from less |
| 11:09.41 | antgel | tezra: did you do an md5sum on the iso? |
| 11:09.43 | tezra | antgel, it is like if you ask your neighbour whose computer is running emule to let you reboot it to try your cd.. he will prolly send you to hell ;D |
| 11:09.45 | sanxiyn | Or $PAGER, whatever. |
| 11:09.52 | tezra | antgel, I am going to do it now |
| 11:10.12 | Yahhas | It didnot show any colours! |
| 11:10.17 | jim | Yahhas: to understand that, you can "info bash" and look for "alias" |
| 11:10.19 | Yahhas | I did the command they told.. |
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| 11:10.39 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: What does "alias" output? |
| 11:10.44 | leminhteo | i have a knoppix ids |
| 11:10.52 | leminhteo | i have a knoopix cd |
| 11:11.00 | leminhteo | how can i fix this error |
| 11:11.03 | leminhteo | pls help me |
| 11:11.21 | Yahhas | how to searcg for that "alisa"? |
| 11:11.25 | Yahhas | serach* |
| 11:11.29 | eXistenZ | what am I supposed to do after I installed the pnm2ppa package to activate my HP Deskjet 710C |
| 11:11.36 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: help alias |
| 11:11.45 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Or, just type "alias" at the shell. What does it say? |
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| 11:12.24 | jim | once you understand how to tell ls to do color, and once you understand how to use alias to set that for the rest of the session, then you should figure out what file you want to put the alias in, and for that you can man bash, and look for FILES section |
| 11:12.33 | Yahhas | sanxiyn: i typed alias and it didnot show anything |
| 11:12.45 | jim | it's very detailed, specific and definitive |
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| 11:13.21 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: That means, no alias was set for you. That means, even though you claimed you ran "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" twice or thrice or whatever, it didn't work. |
| 11:13.22 | antgel | leminhteo: boot knoppix, chroot to your debian install, install your boot loader. i'm going for a dump so can't answer any more questions for now. |
| 11:13.44 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: "alias" should output current aliases set on your shell. |
| 11:13.57 | Yahhas | am logged as root |
| 11:13.59 | Lanix | deb 31r0a << is this vercion the last one ? |
| 11:14.03 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: And? |
| 11:14.05 | jim | I'm out... he knows what to read, he's been asked to read it... |
| 11:14.13 | sanxiyn | jim: Indeed. |
| 11:14.39 | jim | and I think he read part of it too :") |
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| 11:15.40 | jim | -probably- the only way to make the communication any better, is to first get him understanding the pieces, and THEN show him how to combine |
| 11:15.40 | sanxiyn | Lanix: Yes. |
| 11:15.45 | leminhteo | but when i boot from CD i join knopix os |
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| 11:16.00 | jim | make sure he understands how the pieces work separately and how they combine |
| 11:16.18 | tezra | antgel, md5sum result is ok |
| 11:16.24 | jim | then after that, I think you'd be able to finally communicate |
| 11:17.49 | leminhteo | can anyone help me |
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| 11:17.55 | bfk42 | hello |
| 11:18.05 | sanxiyn | leminhteo: How can I help you? |
| 11:18.23 | sanxiyn | (Sorry, haven't scrolled up all to read what your problem was...) |
| 11:19.19 | leminhteo | i have error "operation system missing |
| 11:19.25 | leminhteo | how can i fix it |
| 11:19.36 | leminhteo | somebody say i must have live cd |
| 11:19.42 | leminhteo | i have a knopix cd |
| 11:19.47 | leminhteo | what can i do with it |
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| 11:20.09 | sanxiyn | leminhteo: Well, this is not #knoppix... |
| 11:20.19 | sanxiyn | leminhteo: As far as I know, you should insert your Knoppix CD, and boot. |
| 11:20.40 | leminhteo | yes |
| 11:20.41 | GregM | leminhteo : you could try booting it for something different |
| 11:21.03 | leminhteo | but when i do it i will join knoopix os |
| 11:21.11 | sanxiyn | leminhteo: Is that a problem? |
| 11:21.21 | leminhteo | when i boot my Pc |
| 11:21.24 | antgel | leminhteo: that's what you're supposed to do. then you can chroot etc as i said above. |
| 11:21.28 | sanxiyn | leminhteo: Of course you will boot to Knoppix, since you have Knoppix CD! |
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| 11:21.41 | tezra | antgel, help me on this one if you can, according to debian docs,model number 44P is CHRP subarchitecture, so, for that I have to use the PowerPC arch disc. right? |
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| 11:22.15 | antgel | tezra: link? |
| 11:22.32 | sanxiyn | tezra: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install ? |
| 11:22.41 | Xytek187 | Can anyone help me with compiling, X-Sys, for X-Chat? |
| 11:22.42 | antgel | tezra: does it get any further than say, trying to boot a cd of dido's greatest hits? |
| 11:22.47 | leminhteo | chroot |
| 11:22.49 | sanxiyn | "There are four major supported powerpc flavors: PMac (Power-Macintosh), Apus, CHRP and PReP machines. Ports to other powerpc architectures, such as the Be-Box and MBX architecture, are underway but not yet supported by Debian." |
| 11:22.52 | leminhteo | antgel |
| 11:23.06 | antgel | leminhteo: wtf? |
| 11:23.08 | leminhteo | what chroot do? |
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| 11:23.17 | sanxiyn | leminhteo: It CHanges ROOT. |
| 11:23.19 | tezra | antgel, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s01.html.en |
| 11:23.19 | GregM | it changes root :) |
| 11:23.33 | antgel | !tell leminhteo about chroot |
| 11:23.38 | leminhteo | chages root dont fix my error |
| 11:23.57 | yuacht | hey... i'm trying to use cdemu but i get: [Errno 6] No such device or address: '/dev/cdemu/0' (command: cdemu 0 foo.cue |
| 11:24.04 | tezra | hehehe |
| 11:24.07 | antgel | leminhteo: ffs. you don't know what it does so how do you know it won't help? |
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| 11:24.14 | GregM | leminhteo what will? |
| 11:24.15 | hcy | is there a way to change the default permissions for files created on my system? I'd like it if files were always originally created as 640, not as 666 as they currently are. Is there a way to do that globally? |
| 11:24.17 | tezra | sanxiyn, thats for 3.0 i need sarge |
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| 11:24.25 | sanxiyn | tezra: Oops, indeed. |
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| 11:25.21 | leminhteo | antgel sorry |
| 11:25.28 | tezra | sanxiyn, thx though |
| 11:25.48 | GregM | leminhteo: chroot to the hard drvive partitiion lilo -v -r /dev/hda1 for example then run lilo or whatever |
| 11:26.11 | antgel | tezra: yep, ppc looks correct |
| 11:26.18 | GregM | lilo -v -r does it all in one I should say |
| 11:26.28 | leminhteo | antgel how can i chroot my debian in hdisk when i boot from cd |
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| 11:27.50 | Xytek187 | Is there a version of mIRC for linux, that can use the same addons as mIRC for windows? *.mrc ? |
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| 11:27.57 | sanxiyn | Xytek187: No, not yet. |
| 11:28.01 | sanxiyn | Xytek187: You are free to write one. |
| 11:28.04 | Xytek187 | Probably not huh. :P |
| 11:28.06 | Ronin | Xytek187: and hopefully never |
| 11:28.11 | sanxiyn | Ronin: Why? |
| 11:28.16 | leminhteo | my hd have only one os debian |
| 11:28.20 | sanxiyn | (It's my pie-in-the-sky future project, actually.) |
| 11:28.27 | leminhteo | i can use chroot /dev/hda |
| 11:28.29 | leminhteo | ??? |
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| 11:28.31 | s_ward | Xytek187, I'd just use Xchat, you can get some similar scripts |
| 11:28.41 | Ronin | well i just cant see any good reason to run any type of mirc on linux when theres already a ton of excellent clients that have excellent scripts |
| 11:28.41 | Xytek187 | No, I was just wondering cause I can't seem to find, a system info script that works with xchat.. |
| 11:28.44 | sanxiyn | s_ward: But you cannot use the same scripts. |
| 11:28.51 | Xytek187 | Or at least I can't compile X-Sys, being a newb.. :/ |
| 11:29.03 | s_ward | sanxiyn, I realise that |
| 11:29.04 | sanxiyn | Ronin: Well, there are tons of mIRC scripts out there. |
| 11:29.11 | Ronin | Xytek187: theres multiple ones on the xchat website |
| 11:29.22 | s_ward | sanxiyn, when I say "similar scripts" I mean scripts with similar functionality |
| 11:29.23 | antgel | leminhteo: i think you should do a bit of research yourself, btw. knoppix should mount the partition. type mount to see the mount point. then chroot to the mount point (probably /mnt/cock) |
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| 11:29.28 | Xytek187 | Windows Based, When I search it finds nothing. :/ |
| 11:29.52 | sanxiyn | I'm sure there are more mIRC scripts than XChat scripts, much more. |
| 11:30.07 | antgel | sanxiyn: so? |
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| 11:30.32 | sanxiyn | antgel: So it is not too bad idea to have mIRC script-compatible IRC client on Linux, no? |
| 11:30.45 | sanxiyn | (Just like OpenOffice.org reading MS Word, etc.) |
| 11:32.12 | antgel | sanxiyn: personally i couldn't give a toss. it's hardly the same as reading word docs which every joe schmo uses. |
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| 11:32.54 | Xytek187 | Ronin, I downloaded the latest X-Sys 2.0.5, I believe, But It needs to be compiled, I'm Unsure how to do so. |
| 11:32.58 | sanxiyn | antgel: All IRC users around me I know uses mIRC. Why isn't that significant? |
| 11:33.12 | sanxiyn | Okay, it doesn't really matter, and off-topic to #debian. |
| 11:33.24 | Ronin | Xytek187: compiled? you sure? most times you drop the script in the xchat directory and load it |
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| 11:33.41 | Yahhas | how to install ssl? |
| 11:34.33 | kpanic | hi people, I'm apt-get -f install... in particular the package that it's not ok is x11-common, could I paste the output of the command? thanks |
| 11:34.44 | Xytek187 | Let me go look for a Compiled Version, This one has to be compiled, after you extract the tarball. |
| 11:34.44 | sanxiyn | kpanic: Are you running unstable? |
| 11:34.52 | kpanic | sanxiyn, yeah |
| 11:34.53 | antgel | kpanic: #flood |
| 11:34.55 | sanxiyn | kpanic: Don't. |
| 11:35.13 | kpanic | sanxiyn, :) |
| 11:35.22 | sanxiyn | kpanic: You are supposed to be able to deal with broken dep, installation problem, etc. if you are running unstable. |
| 11:35.26 | Yahhas | how to install ssl? |
| 11:35.44 | paivakil | Yahhas: ssl? |
| 11:35.47 | paivakil | or ssh? |
| 11:35.58 | antgel | kpanic: you using any unofficial repositories? |
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| 11:35.59 | Yahhas | ssl |
| 11:36.03 | kpanic | sanxiyn, you are right. |
| 11:36.05 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: For SSL, apt-get install openssl, for SSH, apt-get install openssh-client. |
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| 11:36.23 | kpanic | antgel, only the mplayer thingy |
| 11:36.35 | sanxiyn | Oops, no. openssh-client is not yet in testing... |
| 11:36.46 | antgel | kpanic: what is the whole command line you are running? |
| 11:36.48 | sanxiyn | "apt-get install ssh" for testing. |
| 11:36.55 | kpanic | antgel, apt-get -f install |
| 11:37.00 | Yahhas | I'v compiled unrealircd without ssl, If I wanna enable it, I have to re-install unrealircd after installing ssl? |
| 11:37.13 | Xytek187 | Ronin, do the scripts use the *.pl extention, just to be sure?/ |
| 11:37.17 | antgel | kpanic: tried apt-get update first? |
| 11:37.22 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Yes, it's likely you will need to recompile it with SSL support. |
| 11:37.30 | kpanic | antgel, let me try |
| 11:37.33 | Yahhas | ok. |
| 11:37.45 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: If you want to *compile* something with SSL, you want libssl-dev. |
| 11:37.54 | Ronin | dont know Xytek187 havent ran xchat in years, have you tried asking in #xchat |
| 11:38.04 | Yahhas | then i need to install openssl and libssl-dev? |
| 11:38.14 | Xytek187 | Nope. |
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| 11:38.22 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Just libssl-dev. Doesn't hurt to have openssl too. |
| 11:38.29 | kpanic | antgel, nothing |
| 11:38.38 | antgel | kpanic: regarding this line: trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package xorg-common |
| 11:38.49 | s_ward | Xytek187, Xchat can use Perl, Tcl, and Python scripts |
| 11:38.50 | antgel | i don't see a package called xorg-common |
| 11:39.21 | antgel | kpanic: where did that package come from? |
| 11:39.57 | kpanic | antgel, maybe I should remove that xorg-common? |
| 11:39.59 | Xytek187 | s_ward, Thanks :) |
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| 11:40.08 | ivalladt | when using debian-installer, does it install grub on the mbr even if you answer no to the question that asks you if it should? |
| 11:40.09 | antgel | kpanic: where did it come from? |
| 11:40.21 | antgel | kpanic: were you using unofficial repositories? |
| 11:40.33 | kpanic | antgel, maybe, I don't remember for sure. let me check |
| 11:40.49 | kpanic | antgel, yes |
| 11:40.59 | antgel | kpanic: that's your problem. |
| 11:41.03 | kpanic | antgel, from deb http://debian.linux-systeme.com unstable main |
| 11:41.06 | sanxiyn | ivalladt: No, it shouldn't. |
| 11:41.07 | kpanic | antgel, ok :) |
| 11:41.13 | antgel | kpanic: you said before you weren't |
| 11:41.14 | kpanic | antgel, thanks anyway |
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| 11:41.37 | kpanic | antgel, I was wrong |
| 11:42.32 | bfk42 | well |
| 11:42.38 | sanxiyn | Hell, libcairo0.6.0...? |
| 11:42.39 | bfk42 | i am having trouble with postfix+mysql |
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| 11:43.16 | bfk42 | i've read a very very very small documentation at postfix.org |
| 11:43.30 | bfk42 | it says that when you aptitude install postfix-mysql everything is set for mysql |
| 11:43.33 | bfk42 | but does not! |
| 11:43.35 | sanxiyn | PITA to have every-version-is-incompatible library, unfortunately many depends on... |
| 11:44.29 | ivalladt | sanxiyn: well look like it does |
| 11:44.56 | sanxiyn | ivalladt: Sounds like a bug, then. |
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| 11:45.09 | sanxiyn | Eh, IIRC, it didn't for me. (Earlier version did, I think.) |
| 11:45.21 | ivalladt | sanxiyn: yep, just wondered if a well-known bug, as sarge shipped with that d-i!! |
| 11:45.38 | Yahhas | do I have to reboot my machine after installin php4? Coz when I install it, it closed all the remote connections like sshd and telnetd, Do I have to reboot mu machine after installing it? |
| 11:45.51 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: No, absolutely not. |
| 11:46.01 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Why installing php4 will close remote connections? |
| 11:46.25 | Yahhas | sanxiyn: actually that happend with me, 2 times. |
| 11:46.33 | sanxiyn | I don't understand. |
| 11:46.39 | Yahhas | I mean |
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| 11:46.50 | ivalladt | Yahhas: maybe restarting apache is needed |
| 11:47.18 | sanxiyn | ivalladt: Well, he said, installing "closed remote connections". |
| 11:47.19 | Yahhas | When I install php on my machine, it disables all the remote connections, like sshd, and when I try connecing to it, it says connection refused. |
| 11:47.34 | Yahhas | That happend with me 2 times. |
| 11:47.36 | sanxiyn | I have never heard of such things happening. |
| 11:47.39 | runge | hi, is there a app to check cpu-temperature in linux? |
| 11:47.41 | sanxiyn | Very strange. |
| 11:47.53 | antgel | np |
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| 11:48.17 | rocky23 | ive just compiled 2.6.12.3 and did a make old config from 2.6.8.1. but when i boot it i get to the bios test successful and where it should normally uncompress linux it just reboots, so then it goes in a loop, does anywhere know what this could be ? before i start looking through all the kernel options again :)) |
| 11:48.21 | ivalladt | sanxiyn: maybe the php4 install scripts restart apache themselves |
| 11:48.30 | Yahhas | sanxiyn: so why does it do that? do i have to reboot my machine after installin php? |
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| 11:48.44 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: I didn't need to do that, but I don't know about your situation. |
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| 11:49.01 | sanxiyn | I installed Debian PHP package on remote without rebooting countless times. |
| 11:49.03 | MacNamera | does someone know if there is a newsgrabber for linux too like newsbin or grabit for windows? |
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| 11:49.12 | Yahhas | sanxiyn: I was installing it on thttpd, not apache, maybe thats the wrong thing? |
| 11:49.13 | sanxiyn | (With no problem, I must add...) |
| 11:49.13 | nkuttler | runge: that depends on your mainboard, try apt-cache search temperature |
| 11:49.20 | bfk42 | well |
| 11:49.28 | bfk42 | any offers for postfix? |
| 11:49.43 | liable | #postfix? |
| 11:49.45 | runge | thanks nkuttler |
| 11:49.54 | bfk42 | great |
| 11:50.08 | PerfDave | runge: There are many. lm-sensors may be the best place to start. |
| 11:50.11 | bfk42 | :) |
| 11:50.44 | sep | bfk42, you must ofcouse also run a mysql server, and configure postfix's sql client to connect to this server. but you'v done that right ? |
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| 11:52.18 | [Si]Toad | hi - out of interest - is it possible to plug mezzo into debian? |
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| 11:52.51 | Whisky_ | omg PerfDave !!! |
| 11:53.21 | antgel | Whisky_: you're there. did you get the cards in the same box and ping one to the other? |
| 11:53.23 | sep | [Si]Toad, out of interest... what's mezzo ? i assume you dont mean the folding bike... |
| 11:53.55 | [Si]Toad | mezzo on Symphony OS - see http://www.symphonyos.com/ |
| 11:54.28 | Whisky_ | antgel: Two cards are already in my box. And I tried putting my own card into the Windows PC replacing its onboard one and woa it wont get pinged :S |
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| 11:54.58 | antgel | Whisky_: did you even read what i wrote before about connecting the cards in the same box? |
| 11:55.19 | Whisky_ | antgel: heh? |
| 11:55.29 | Whisky_ | Sorry I just woke up from a nap, long day. |
| 11:55.36 | antgel | Whisky_: are you a troll? |
| 11:55.44 | Yahhas | what does wiki mean? |
| 11:55.48 | Yahhas | :/ |
| 11:55.52 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: A kind of web application. |
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| 11:55.58 | PeterB | !dict wiki |
| 11:55.59 | sep | [Si]Toad, unlikely. but you are free to try ofcouse |
| 11:56.00 | dpkg | could not find definition for wiki |
| 11:56.20 | Whisky_ | antgel: Thanks for your help but I reallu don't see where this is getting us. |
| 11:56.33 | sanxiyn | Yahhas: Which allows editing with simple markup and easy linking, and recent change. (This is my understanding) |
| 11:56.40 | nkuttler | Yahhas: google.com, type in 'wiki', click i'm feeling lucky |
| 11:56.53 | [Si]Toad | sep, I'm going to give it a try - looks very nice :-) -- finally get rid of the old taskbar perm |
| 11:56.54 | antgel | Whisky_: if you ignore bits of what i'm saying , then you're right, it will get you nowhere. |
| 11:57.01 | Yahhas | kk |
| 11:57.05 | sanxiyn | nkuttler: Well, that goes to Wikipedia, and Wikipedia ain't really typical Wiki. |
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| 11:57.31 | antgel | Whisky_: i asked you to put both cards in the linux box, configure them as different ip's on the same subnet, and ping from one to the other |
| 11:57.45 | antgel | !wiki |
| 11:57.53 | HeavenWarrior | guys i've a strange problem when add mini-comander-line in my gnome-panel - it says that there is some scheme error |
| 11:57.55 | niktaris | is there a way to see what installed packages belong to stable and what to testing? |
| 11:58.08 | sanxiyn | "Wiki is a piece of server software that allows users to freely create and edit Web page content using any Web browser. Wiki supports hyperlinks and has a simple text syntax for creating new pages and crosslinks between internal pages on the fly." -- from wiki.org WhatIsWiki |
| 11:58.12 | s_ward | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiWikiWeb |
| 11:58.13 | nkuttler | sanxiyn: er, right wikiwiki would have been correct |
| 11:58.18 | Whisky_ | antgel: Both the cards are already setup. The WAN one on 10.0.0.5 and the LAN one on 192.168.0.1 |
| 11:58.23 | antgel | niktaris: apt-cache policy |
| 11:58.27 | Whisky_ | and yes, i can ping the LAN card from the WAN |
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| 11:58.49 | antgel | Whisky_: grr i know how they are setup, that's why i'm telling you to change it |
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| 11:59.14 | Whisky_ | I wish I knew what to change :/ |
| 11:59.28 | antgel | Whisky_: i fucking told you twice now. i give up. |
| 12:00.05 | Whisky_ | antgel: ok you fucking give up. Thanks |
| 12:00.07 | Whisky_ | im out for now |
| 12:00.07 | Whisky_ | bye |
| 12:00.14 | niktaris | antgel, apt-cache policy and ? |
| 12:00.26 | antgel | niktaris: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 12:01.46 | tosh | any easy way of forwarding the mail sent to the local root account to an external emailaddress? |
| 12:01.50 | niktaris | antgel, and for _all_ installed packages? |
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| 12:02.57 | nkuttler | tosh: /etc/aliases |
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| 12:04.56 | antgel | niktaris: something like apt-cache policy `dpkg -l |cut -f 3 -d ' '`, but fixing the narrow column output by the backticks :) |
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| 12:08.13 | rob_newbie | hello newbie in need of help!!! |
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| 12:09.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi mate. |
| 12:09.52 | rob_newbie | Installing glib I have decompressed the file, configured, but when i try typing make the file is not there any suggestions? Am I making a simple mistake? |
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| 12:10.21 | antgel | rob_newbie: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:10.34 | paivakil | rob_newbie: why dont you use apt-get install? |
| 12:10.47 | sanxiyn | rob_newbie: Why are you compilning glib at all? |
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| 12:11.42 | rob_newbie | antgel: I am trying to build GLIB The command "make" is not working |
| 12:12.01 | sanxiyn | rob_newbie: Why are you building GLIB? |
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| 12:12.42 | rob_newbie | I tried to use apt-get installl and I came up with it cannot find it |
| 12:12.58 | sanxiyn | rob_newbie: apt-get install libglib2.0-0 |
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| 12:13.23 | sanxiyn | rob_newbie: However, why do you want GLIB? |
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| 12:13.45 | sanxiyn | Usually, library itself is not very intesting... |
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| 12:14.20 | Matthias | Can anybody recommend me an application similar to rhytmbox or jukebox? (for huge mp3 collections.. just a player) |
| 12:14.32 | rob_newbie | So I can istall xmms It will not install without glib |
| 12:14.39 | Matthias | not like beep or xmms because I want to browse the files.. |
| 12:14.41 | rob_newbie | Err so it said |
| 12:14.48 | sanxiyn | rob_newbie: Why don't you apt-get install xmms? |
| 12:14.49 | Ronin | rob_newbie: apt-get install xmms doesnt work? |
| 12:15.04 | sanxiyn | Matthias: Rhytmbox. :-) |
| 12:15.08 | rob_newbie | Have not tried it |
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| 12:15.37 | chealer | Matthias: for a particular DE? |
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| 12:15.46 | sanxiyn | Matthias: Well, you don't like rhythmbox? :-) |
| 12:15.52 | paivakil | rob_newbie: run apt-setup to get a proper sources.list file up |
| 12:16.05 | rob_newbie | How dose the apt-get install thing work? where do the files come from? |
| 12:16.17 | Ronin | rob_newbie: do what paivakil just said |
| 12:16.18 | niktaris | thanks antgel |
| 12:16.18 | sanxiyn | rob_newbie: From some apt sources. |
| 12:16.34 | sanxiyn | rob_newbie: Can be CD-ROM, FTP server, HTTP server, et cetra. |
| 12:16.41 | paivakil | run `apt-setup' as root and then say ``apt-get update'' |
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| 12:17.08 | paivakil | rob_newbie: choose the answers that suit you the best |
| 12:17.29 | Trev1 | Morning |
| 12:17.37 | sanxiyn | 9 pm here. |
| 12:17.50 | Trev1 | Move =) |
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| 12:18.38 | rob_newbie | Ahh I see |
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| 12:19.10 | PeterB | !wikifaq rob_newbie PackageManagement |
| 12:19.11 | dpkg | rob_newbie: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 12:21.20 | cody | hi guys, is there a way that i can add a module to be loaded before root is mounted to an initrd image? |
| 12:21.47 | sep | cody, all modules in initrd, is loaded before root is mounted |
| 12:22.13 | rob_newbie | righto thaks all |
| 12:22.15 | jm_ | read initrd.txt |
| 12:22.23 | sep | cody: add it to /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 12:22.29 | einsteinmg | otherwise the modules are useless in the initrd ;) |
| 12:22.43 | cody | sep: thanks |
| 12:22.50 | jm_ | quite |
| 12:23.01 | sep | cody, do what jm_ say also. saves you coming here asking again |
| 12:23.20 | cody | =) |
| 12:23.28 | cody | sep: will do |
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| 12:24.08 | goldnlink | just a really simple question. i know it has changed from the old kernel but can never figure out which sequence is good (i know i can find that easilly but youre here... so....) to compile the kernel, (after make menuconfig) what is the sequence (make menu_install ?... make) never remember |
| 12:24.18 | wam | is initrd.txt in the kernel-source already "the debian way"? |
| 12:24.39 | jm_ | it's in kernel-source or kernel-doc |
| 12:25.01 | jim | goldnlink: after that, you would use make-kpkg kernel_image and it does all those pesky makes for you |
| 12:25.14 | wam | i mean - debian handles initrd somhow "special" (cramfs, mkinitrd, ...). Does initrd.txt reflect this in debians kernel-source? |
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| 12:25.19 | goldnlink | oki, thx |
| 12:25.29 | jim | besure to man make-kpkg |
| 12:25.31 | kombi_ | what |
| 12:25.40 | jim | where |
| 12:25.57 | kombi_ | ..is this: after ugrading ssh I can't login anymore..? |
| 12:26.05 | kombi_ | (sorry) |
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| 12:26.22 | jm_ | wam: you don't need to care about this if you're using make-kpkg, and if you aren't, then you create it by hand anyway |
| 12:26.52 | jim | kombi_: running sid? |
| 12:27.09 | kombi_ | to be more precise: can't login via ssh anymore, shell works, not running sid (what is that anyway?) |
| 12:27.19 | jim | unstable |
| 12:27.31 | kombi_ | jim: no, woody here |
| 12:27.43 | jim | how are you upgrading ssh? |
| 12:27.46 | Xytek187 | Is it neccissary to have antivirus protection? |
| 12:27.48 | kombi_ | apt-get install |
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| 12:27.53 | jim | woody has only one version of ssh |
| 12:28.05 | kombi_ | hmm, strange.. |
| 12:28.08 | wam | Xytek187: depends what you are doing with your computer. |
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| 12:28.31 | Ronin | Xytek187: is it a mail server for windows machines? |
| 12:28.34 | kombi_ | openSSH 3.8 it says |
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| 12:28.53 | Xytek187 | No, im actually using it, for my everyday activities. |
| 12:29.11 | chealer | Xytek187: no |
| 12:29.16 | wam | Xytek187: If you don't filter data for *dows machines, you usually shouldn't need one. |
| 12:29.16 | Xytek187 | I get crazy stop errors using windows, :P and I got sick of it lol~. |
| 12:29.18 | kombi_ | jim: logfile says something pam, anything I can try/do to isolate the prob? |
| 12:29.32 | jim | no, woody was -released- as stable... that means nothing ever gets upgraded to any new versions and no new features are ever added. this is -normal-. if there is a newer ssh, it might be becasue some security issue |
| 12:29.37 | Xytek187 | average uptime of 6 minutes, before the system would crash.. hehe. |
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| 12:29.57 | Ronin | Xytek187: umm maybe you could have fixed that? not that moving to linux is a bad thing mind you |
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| 12:30.10 | Xytek187 | Its some sort of hardware error. |
| 12:30.16 | Xytek187 | My linux is more reliable.. |
| 12:30.28 | Xytek187 | unless im using apt-get it tends to crash a lot.. :P |
| 12:30.29 | jim | kombi_: let's reverse it... I tell you I have a problem logging into ssh, and I see "something PAM" in the log... can you help me? and if not, why not? |
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| 12:30.45 | kombi_ | jim: sorry man.. |
| 12:30.56 | antgel | Xytek187: stop errors are usually dodgy hardware. i hate winshit, but xp is relatively stable. kernel wise. |
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| 12:31.11 | Xytek187 | I think I need a new motherboard, or CPU one of the two |
| 12:31.25 | jim | I might need more ram :) |
| 12:31.29 | Xytek187 | Like i said, my average uptime before the computer would reboot from an error, was 5-6 minutes. |
| 12:31.36 | jim | more disk space would be good too... |
| 12:31.48 | Xytek187 | I have 2 Gigs DualDDR400 Corsair ram... |
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| 12:31.51 | Xytek187 | I doubt I need more.. |
| 12:31.57 | kombi_ | jim: my guess is that I maybe should have let it install it's own conf file, is there a way to repeat just that? (debconf or something) |
| 12:32.48 | Xytek187 | Crazy thing is, It would never reboot during a game. just when I was in sitting at the desktop, it would reboot. |
| 12:32.51 | jim | woody... I guess you'd purge ssh and reinstall it |
| 12:33.06 | kombi_ | jim: let me try that.. |
| 12:33.08 | Xytek187 | My uptime on, linux currently is... |
| 12:33.09 | Xytek187 | ( Uptime ) 5 hours 59 minutes [ Record: 5h 59m 40s ] | Users: 1 | Load: 0.00, 0.03, 0.05 |
| 12:33.15 | Xytek187 | ;O |
| 12:33.37 | Ronin | looks like Xytek187 found sysinfo script that worked, dont fire it up here though too much |
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| 12:34.06 | kombi_ | there was some apt command to reconfigure a package.. |
| 12:34.08 | Phated | Don't start waving the uptime dick around, sooner or later Guer in will join in, and then it's all over. |
| 12:34.09 | Xytek187 | The only problem with running linux is, no steam which = no CS :( |
| 12:34.14 | kombi_ | dpkg even.. |
| 12:34.30 | jamesm | Xytek187: wine :) |
| 12:34.32 | Xytek187 | Wine cant run steam, as it needs ActiveX. |
| 12:34.32 | rob_newbie | how to log on as root in terminal |
| 12:34.36 | kombi_ | dpkg configure <package> ? |
| 12:34.47 | Xytek187 | ActiveX is windows based, im sure. |
| 12:34.48 | jim | yeah, I guess I'd prefer it if no one waved any dicks around... |
| 12:34.54 | Phated | kombi_: dpkg-reconfigure, but it won't touch a config file that's been hand-edited. |
| 12:35.02 | wam | Xytek187: cedega can do this. |
| 12:35.02 | rob_newbie | How do you su to the root in terminal |
| 12:35.16 | Ronin | rob_newbie: open a term, type su, then root password |
| 12:35.17 | Phated | rob_newbie: su and enter the root password when it prompts? |
| 12:35.23 | Xytek187 | Don't you have to pay for that? |
| 12:35.26 | kombi_ | Phated: thanks! Would you know to get hold of the default config file? |
| 12:35.28 | wam | Xytek187: yep |
| 12:35.32 | Xytek187 | Which, In turn defeats the purpose of using linux :P |
| 12:35.42 | kombi_ | Phated: how I mean.. |
| 12:35.45 | rob_newbie | Ok thank you |
| 12:35.53 | wam | Xytek187: linux is better. that's why i use linux. The "being free" part is cool though ;) |
| 12:35.54 | Phated | kombi_: download the .deb and extract it with dpkg -x, I think. Check the dpkg manpage for the correct option. |
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| 12:36.02 | Phated | kombi_: then cp. |
| 12:36.08 | Xytek187 | haha. |
| 12:36.55 | kombi_ | Phated: weired though, I've never seen ssh needing a different configuration when upgrading.. |
| 12:36.58 | Matthias | chealer: no |
| 12:37.10 | rob_newbie | well I get "su: Authentication failure" when I do this |
| 12:37.14 | Phated | kombi_: <shrug> I'm merely answering your question. |
| 12:37.20 | Phated | rob_newbie: It means you didn't enter the right passwor.d |
| 12:37.26 | Phated | Grr. Swap those last two. |
| 12:37.35 | rob_newbie | It is the correct password though |
| 12:37.38 | kombi_ | rob_newbie: that's because your password is wrong |
| 12:37.46 | rob_newbie | Or it should be |
| 12:37.48 | Xytek187 | I honestly dont know enough about linux, to do all that stuff anyways. I doubt my video card is even working correctly anyways, well with the OpenGL drivers etc, as I didnt install drivers from the nVidia website. :o |
| 12:37.49 | Phated | If it fails when you use it to su, NO, it IS NOT. |
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| 12:38.01 | dimir | rob_newbie: your su pam configuration may be broken |
| 12:38.05 | kombi_ | reb_newbie: check for caps and stuff |
| 12:38.15 | rob_newbie | k |
| 12:38.23 | kombi_ | dimir: where's the pam config? |
| 12:38.29 | Phated | If all else fails, check for r00tage. |
| 12:38.36 | dimir | kombi_: /etc/pam.d/ has all the donfigs |
| 12:38.46 | kombi_ | Phated: Happened to the best of us.. |
| 12:38.47 | rob_newbie | Nope not caps |
| 12:38.47 | jim | kombi_: it happens when a maintainer decides that a different default is needed |
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| 12:38.57 | jim | among other times |
| 12:39.02 | Phated | kombi_: Precisely. |
| 12:39.03 | dimir | rob_newbie: did you play with /etc/pam.d/su ? |
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| 12:39.05 | kombi_ | jim: So that could be the reason after all |
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| 12:39.21 | jim | well, no, you kept your config |
| 12:39.23 | rob_newbie | Dimir: No |
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| 12:39.36 | kombi_ | jim: true |
| 12:39.40 | dimir | rob_newbie: well, it could be fscked up |
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| 12:39.50 | revenger2 | has anyone ever seen that problem: "request_module[net-pf-10]: fork failed, errno 11" |
| 12:39.54 | rob_newbie | Great |
| 12:40.03 | dimir | :-) |
| 12:40.07 | kombi_ | Great what? |
| 12:40.10 | rob_newbie | LOL |
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| 12:40.23 | jim | you can use Phated's approach, as long as you make sure the package is the same version as the one you have installed |
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| 12:40.39 | jim | by the way, what version is that? |
| 12:40.41 | Phated | Clearly, you wouldn't download a random version. At least, I hope not. |
| 12:40.56 | kombi_ | jim: openSSH 3.8 |
| 12:40.57 | dimir | rob_newbie: see if you have all the needed common-* files there and stuff |
| 12:41.01 | Phated | But on packages.debian.org, you can hunt down the current version on whatever version of Debian you're using. |
| 12:41.10 | torbjorn | dhcp seems to automatically select available ips when receiving dhcp discovers etc.. but is it possible to "lock" ip pools to an incomming interface, rather than the incomming interface address? |
| 12:41.16 | Xytek187 | I believe I should get some sleep. Gnight all.. |
| 12:41.20 | Phated | Or, y'know, just use apt-get with the download-only flag. |
| 12:41.21 | torbjorn | s/dhcp/dhcpd/ |
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| 12:41.26 | jim | what does dpkg say about the version? (dpkg -s ssh | grep Version) |
| 12:41.34 | kombi_ | Phated: good one! |
| 12:41.36 | rob_newbie | dimir: what do you mean by that and where to look? |
| 12:41.47 | kombi_ | Phated: ahmm, which is that..? |
| 12:41.48 | Phated | kombi_: Which? |
| 12:41.58 | Phated | kombi_: Dunno, man apt-get. :) |
| 12:42.01 | kombi_ | ok.. |
| 12:42.05 | jim | wich witch is which? |
| 12:42.29 | Phated | kombi_: ah, -d or --download-only. |
| 12:42.39 | jim | would have to run a spell checker to figure that... |
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| 12:42.47 | kombi_ | thanks and off to the other console.. |
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| 12:43.11 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 12:43.20 | jim | so many fish... |
| 12:43.24 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 12:43.24 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
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| 12:43.55 | takatumi | jim: fried fish yumm.. |
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| 12:44.17 | rob_newbie | I can su by "su <username>" then it gives a password prompt |
| 12:44.32 | jim | and then? |
| 12:44.36 | takatumi | rob_newbie: ain't it supposed to? |
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| 12:45.14 | Phated | rob_newbie: What's your point? We can all do that. |
| 12:45.38 | rob_newbie | Well If I try loging in as root it with no username it dosent work |
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| 12:45.47 | kombi_ | jim + phated: modprobe: QM_Modules: Function not implemented |
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| 12:45.58 | kombi_ | what the heck is that.. |
| 12:46.01 | bykte | hi, anyone know of any good software for debian for http/https proxy server? |
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| 12:46.08 | jm_ | kombi_: /msg dpkg qm_modules |
| 12:46.19 | Phated | kombi_: apt-get install module-init-tools. |
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| 12:46.44 | kombi_ | Phated: but those should be on here, got kernel 2.6... |
| 12:46.46 | jim | you didn't tell us what else you upgraded, evidently |
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| 12:46.55 | Phated | kombi_: Install it anyway and see? :) |
| 12:46.55 | jm_ | yes, the emphasis being on should |
| 12:47.05 | bykte | anyone? |
| 12:47.19 | jm_ | apt-cache search http proxy |
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| 12:47.44 | jim | "oh, I upgraded ssh, now it doesn't work!" <hours later> "oh, forgot, I upgraded the kernel from 2.0 to 2.6.... could that have any effect?" |
| 12:47.57 | Phated | 2.*0*? |
| 12:47.58 | bykte | jm https |
| 12:48.07 | jim | I'm exaggerating :) |
| 12:48.11 | jim | probably |
| 12:48.16 | jim | he is running woody |
| 12:48.18 | Phated | apt-cache search https proxy, then. |
| 12:48.22 | jm_ | interesting, oops is not in Sarge |
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| 12:48.32 | bykte | if i have results from those i wouldnt have asked :\ |
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| 12:48.49 | Phated | Poor you. |
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| 12:49.06 | bykte | i dont need your unconstructive comments, k thx |
| 12:49.19 | takatumi | with the new features of the bts, we'll probably end up with the least amount of bugs in packages in sid, as opposed to testing. |
| 12:49.24 | jim | and yet you might get some :) |
| 12:49.40 | jm_ | squid will work for https, but probably not in the way you want it to |
| 12:49.43 | jim | especially after that unconstructive comment that you made :P |
| 12:49.56 | yoo | Somebody know if a chan about ACPI exist ? |
| 12:49.59 | Phated | Use a different search, then. Look for "proxy" alone and grep or whatever. Loser. |
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| 12:50.10 | sussudio | unconstructive? |
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| 12:50.18 | jim | knowbody some? |
| 12:50.26 | sussudio | badger? |
| 12:50.34 | jim | !poll |
| 12:50.34 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 12:50.58 | yoo | !acpi |
| 12:50.58 | dpkg | acpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
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| 12:51.28 | bykte | Phated, thanks for being a loser, i appreciate it |
| 12:51.42 | Phated | Takes one to know one. Ignored. |
| 12:51.53 | CAiRO | how can i improve the results of gocr? i've not much experience with ocr, i'm using lineart at 600dpi but half of the resulting text is wrong |
| 12:51.58 | bykte | Yup, thanks for being honest about yourself |
| 12:52.22 | Guerin | CAiRO: depending on the quality of the manuscript, half isn't altogether unreasonable |
| 12:52.26 | sussudio | kneet: they walk into a wasp's nest and eats them all. |
| 12:52.41 | CAiRO | Guerin: it's computer printed text.. |
| 12:52.42 | Guerin | 600dpi is kinda low, too, i think |
| 12:52.49 | Guerin | CAiRO: oh, that's not good. |
| 12:52.54 | Guerin | anyway |
| 12:52.58 | Will_ | Gah, one of my allergy hives has yellow pus in it. It hurts |
| 12:53.13 | sussudio | !tmi |
| 12:53.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, tmi is too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island |
| 12:53.48 | jim | Will_: you've obviously spent too much time at three mile island! |
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| 12:54.30 | Phated | At least the pus is normal pus colour. Imagine if it were green. |
| 12:54.55 | takatumi | what was the irssi command to kill reconnects? |
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| 12:55.03 | jim | well pus at all is infected... |
| 12:55.17 | Phated | Well, it'll come out sooner or later. |
| 12:55.20 | sussudio | pus is the residu of spent white blood cells, isn't it |
| 12:55.20 | stew | takatumi: rmreconns? |
| 12:55.21 | jim | green pus is infected pus is infected infection :) |
| 12:55.22 | yoo | i compile a kernel 2.6.11 with "acpi support " in hard and "processor thermal and video" like modules and i install acpid |
| 12:55.28 | yoo | my acpi is OK |
| 12:55.39 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.41 | takatumi | stew: cheers. |
| 12:55.44 | Phated | sussudio: And some cellular fluid, yeah. |
| 12:55.45 | yoo | version: 20050211 |
| 12:56.06 | yoo | but i can't read thermal |
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| 12:56.08 | yoo | why ? |
| 12:56.09 | takatumi | s/n/nn? |
| 12:56.09 | Phated | Heheh. |
| 12:56.12 | yoo | acpi -t |
| 12:56.12 | jim | green mayonaise? |
| 12:56.18 | Phated | Spicy! |
| 12:56.18 | yoo | No support for device type: thermal |
| 12:56.19 | stew | yoo: maybe your bios doesn't support thermal |
| 12:56.21 | Will_ | and ham |
| 12:56.22 | sussudio | mcdonalds 'special' sauce. |
| 12:56.44 | takatumi | MSG juice. |
| 12:56.46 | yoo | but in my bios there are a température |
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| 12:56.58 | stew | yoo: maybe it doesn't report it via acpi |
| 12:57.00 | jim | wasabe! |
| 12:57.33 | takatumi | yoo: does dmesg give any errors for acpi thermal? |
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| 12:57.38 | yoo | How can i verify ? |
| 12:57.40 | Phated | I don't think they make MSG in liquid form. |
| 12:57.40 | yoo | no |
| 12:57.42 | yoo | wait |
| 12:57.55 | stew | yoo: have you found any webpages writting by others with the same motherboard, that might give you clues about what works and how they got it working? |
| 12:57.58 | takatumi | Phated: they add it to all kinds of shit now, including the coating on nuts. |
| 12:58.02 | umbop | hey guys, with exim, if i have a virtual file with a mailfoward with wildcard expression say *@domain.co.uk: {local_part}@domain.co.uk and then anther line user@domain.co.uk: user2@domain.co.uk , does the user@ take priority over the wildcard expression? |
| 12:58.03 | jim | look at dmesg output :P |
| 12:58.17 | Phated | takatumi: Uncool, yet cool. |
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| 12:58.19 | yoo | dmesg|more|acpi |
| 12:58.24 | yoo | No support for device type: battery |
| 12:58.31 | yoo | yes error in demsg |
| 12:58.48 | yoo | stew ok |
| 12:58.58 | yoo | it'a MSi KT400A |
| 12:59.38 | takatumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.38 | takatumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.47 | takatumi | \o/ |
| 13:00.29 | dimir | \o/ |
| 13:00.36 | yoo | takatumi> with chip KT400 ? |
| 13:00.42 | takatumi | yoo: no, :( |
| 13:00.45 | jim | yoo: reread stew's question... it's a yes/no question... |
| 13:00.54 | chaica | does someone use Webmin? How can I remove a module from the command-line? |
| 13:01.11 | jim | there's a module in your command line?? |
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| 13:01.21 | yoo | stew : NO |
| 13:01.24 | yoo | sorry |
| 13:01.28 | yoo | i'm french people |
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| 13:01.35 | yoo | so my english is bad |
| 13:01.49 | jim | how many french people are you? :) |
| 13:01.55 | takatumi | yoo: you are not doing too bad, google however. |
| 13:01.56 | yoo | :) |
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| 13:02.06 | bradley__ | Hello |
| 13:02.10 | yoo | i know at least three with me |
| 13:02.10 | Manoj_ | jim, I think the question was how does one remove a webmid module from the shell command line |
| 13:02.11 | bradley__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.22 | jim | webmin? |
| 13:02.34 | jim | oh, that I don't know |
| 13:02.47 | landon| | hi guys, is there an app that provides a tree-listing (with deps/reverse-deps) of apt-gets? |
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| 13:03.03 | takatumi | landon|: aptitude might help. |
| 13:03.04 | Manoj_ | jim, webmin is a framefork for adminstering a Linux installation using a web browser |
| 13:03.09 | Phated | landon|: apt-cache show and apt-cache rdeps |
| 13:03.13 | jm_ | landon|: yes |
| 13:03.16 | landon| | :) |
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| 13:03.21 | Phated | landon|: Sorry, rdepends. |
| 13:03.33 | Phated | Oh, there's a depends, too. Cool. |
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| 13:03.48 | dockane | i need to buy a usb2.0 pci card ... do i have the freedom of choice (cheapest one) or do i have to take care for a supported chipset ? |
| 13:03.53 | bradley | Anyone have any trouble using irc/epic4 ? |
| 13:03.59 | landon| | what about for all installed packages? |
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| 13:04.08 | Manoj_ | chaica, Unfortunately, I have never used Webmin |
| 13:04.18 | landon| | i'm trying to clean out the cruft that unneccessary packages left behind |
| 13:04.19 | jim | Landon: there is an apt-sonmething that you feed a package to and it spews output meant for dotty |
| 13:04.28 | takatumi | 2 of my favourite aptitude features, aptitude changelogs <package> and hitting 'b' to check the broken packages in the UI. |
| 13:04.28 | bradley | (im on a different box), but when I irc from my box, epic loads and everything, and I even see the servers MOTD, but I cannot join any channels. |
| 13:04.30 | Manoj_ | chaica, I have a feeling that is is not all that popular with experienced people |
| 13:04.43 | landon| | jim: yeah, i ran across a wiki entry mentioning that some time ago |
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| 13:05.22 | jim | apt-cache dotty |
| 13:05.32 | takatumi | Manoj_: kaise ho bhai? :) |
| 13:05.43 | landon| | jim: ah, found it: http://www.yak.net/fqa/353.html |
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| 13:05.50 | landon| | jim: pretty interesting stuff |
| 13:06.00 | jim | if you have that graphviz installed, |
| 13:06.02 | Manoj_ | takatumi, I'm doing fine, thanks. |
| 13:06.16 | jim | you can use its dotty thing to make graphic files of it |
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| 13:06.30 | Manoj_ | huge ngraphic files :) |
| 13:06.37 | jim | yes |
| 13:06.38 | landon| | :) |
| 13:06.39 | Manoj_ | s/n// |
| 13:06.54 | bradley | anyone? |
| 13:06.59 | jim | but you can put a package name in there, that will cut it down quite a bit |
| 13:07.04 | jim | in some cases |
| 13:07.35 | bradley | I cannot join channels using epic4 |
| 13:07.35 | takatumi | with such huge graphs, it's going to be difficult to comprehend. |
| 13:07.46 | takatumi | bradley: irssi-text |
| 13:08.05 | bradley | irssi-text? |
| 13:08.10 | Phated | irssi-text. |
| 13:08.10 | bradley | new client i presume. |
| 13:08.17 | bradley | I like the color themes with epic tho. |
| 13:08.25 | bradley | does irssi-text have that? |
| 13:08.28 | jim | bradley: either that, or fix epic4 :) |
| 13:08.28 | Phated | It's not -new-. |
| 13:08.36 | Phated | And yes, irssi-text has themes. irssi.org. |
| 13:08.41 | landon| | bradley: newer than epic4 :D |
| 13:08.46 | Manoj_ | bradley, for an irc client, that is a pretty grave bug |
| 13:08.49 | bradley | jim: thts the prop.. i dont know whats wrong with epic 4 since its not loggin anything. |
| 13:08.50 | landon| | it's been a while since i last saw epic4 mentioned |
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| 13:09.21 | jim | connected to the server? |
| 13:09.39 | landon| | there are some nice scripts for irssi if you're interested in bitlbee, btw |
| 13:09.43 | bradley | Yes..it connects to the server. |
| 13:09.48 | landon| | I have yet to come across a nice one for epic |
| 13:09.54 | stew | landon|: what do the scripts do? |
| 13:09.57 | jim | so you try joining after a successful connect? |
| 13:09.58 | bradley | i like splitfire for epic |
| 13:10.04 | takatumi | bradley: beat this, http://gpoppy.org/2005-08-03-160834_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 13:10.09 | bradley | jum.. yes. |
| 13:10.14 | landon| | stew: auto-functions, mostly |
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| 13:10.17 | bradley | s/jum/jim |
| 13:10.19 | eka | hi all |
| 13:10.22 | landon| | stew: [typing] notices etc. |
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| 13:10.29 | Phated | Uhm, ew. |
| 13:10.42 | takatumi | Phated: that was for moi? |
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| 13:10.49 | landon| | stew: also, for patched versions of bitlbee, some more experimental features available for msn-chatters |
| 13:10.56 | Phated | No, for [typing] notices. |
| 13:10.56 | jim | no, it was for toi! |
| 13:11.16 | takatumi | Phated: oh, ewwer. |
| 13:11.25 | Phated | takatumi: Precisely. |
| 13:11.31 | landon| | Phated: :) |
| 13:11.36 | jtza8 | I've had a look at the FAQ for using ALSA with my soundcard and I'd just like to know why I don't have a /etc/discover.conf. |
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| 13:12.00 | landon| | Phated: didn't know what appealed to stew, so i mentioned *popular features* |
| 13:12.10 | sep | jtza8, you have discover installed ? |
| 13:12.12 | Phated | And why that's popular, I'll never know. |
| 13:12.14 | jim | bradley, sounds weird |
| 13:12.17 | streuner | jtza8: disocover isn't ALSA |
| 13:12.17 | bradley | yea. |
| 13:12.19 | landon| | Phated: beats me |
| 13:12.48 | takatumi | jtza8: dpkg -k discover* |
| 13:12.56 | takatumi | jtza8: -l instead. |
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| 13:13.15 | jtza8 | sep, streurner, I do have a discover.conf.d and I am aware that ALSA != discover. |
| 13:13.42 | jtza8 | I just thought that it's strange |
| 13:13.57 | jtza8 | I quote ...and adding skip drivername to /etc/discover.conf and drivername to /etc/hotplug/blacklist. |
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| 13:14.21 | jtza8 | Just wondered whether the FAQ was wrong. |
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| 13:15.03 | takatumi | jtza8: if it's not installed, you are safe. |
| 13:15.10 | CAiRO | how can i improve the results of gocr? i've not much experience with ocr, i'm using lineart at 600dpi but half of the resulting text is wrong |
| 13:16.12 | takatumi | CAiRO: wait for google to catch up? :) |
| 13:16.17 | bradley | okay |
| 13:16.24 | bradley | I just apt-get removed epic4, |
| 13:16.27 | bradley | and reinstalled it. |
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| 13:16.31 | bradley | and its still doing the same thing |
| 13:16.51 | bradley | would No identd (auth) response have anything to do with it? |
| 13:16.56 | dimir | man, more underscores! |
| 13:17.07 | takatumi | bradley: yes, that could be a reason. |
| 13:17.30 | bradley | any way around having to open another port (113) ?!? |
| 13:17.36 | bradley | i hate having an auth server. |
| 13:18.14 | takatumi | bradley: forward the port from your firewall, to wherever. |
| 13:18.14 | CAiRO | takatumi: huh? |
| 13:18.28 | bradley | to what? |
| 13:18.35 | bradley | forward it where? |
| 13:18.41 | bradley | i dont want an auth server running anywhere. |
| 13:18.42 | bradley | heh |
| 13:18.44 | jim | not to what, to wherever! |
| 13:18.48 | bradley | why do irc servers require it? |
| 13:19.05 | takatumi | bradley: some of them do. |
| 13:19.21 | jim | oh, becasue some irc admins think it makes them more secure |
| 13:19.37 | bradley | but how would that not let me /j channels? |
| 13:19.46 | bradley | I mean.. it appears I get connected to the server just fine. |
| 13:19.51 | *** join/#debian libertine (~libertine@222.133.80.115) |
| 13:19.57 | takatumi | bradley: you should get a ban message from the channel iirc. |
| 13:19.59 | bradley | I get the motd here on irc.debian.org |
| 13:20.11 | Phated | bradley: You don't need the auth response thing. |
| 13:20.12 | jim | we don't know why you can't join or whether it's related to whether you have an authd |
| 13:20.13 | bradley | yea.. I dont get that. |
| 13:20.34 | bradley | Jim.. yea.. I know.. i'm sorry im bugging you guys.. but this perplexes me. |
| 13:20.48 | stew | bradley: if you cannot join some channels you probably just need to identify with NickServ, /msg NickServ help |
| 13:21.00 | bradley | no. |
| 13:21.06 | stew | oh |
| 13:21.20 | Phated | screw efnet. |
| 13:21.21 | stew | so just install nullidentd and be done |
| 13:21.22 | bradley | i get *NOTHING* when i do a /j <channel> |
| 13:21.24 | jim | bradley, can you join channels on different servers? |
| 13:21.27 | bradley | i can't even /list |
| 13:21.30 | FieldySnuts | @win Phated |
| 13:21.31 | ravenbird | Congratulations, Phated! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 13:21.37 | Phated | Huzzah, MEAT! |
| 13:21.39 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 13:21.43 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 13:21.49 | bradley | jim, i've only tried two so far.. irc.debian.org and a private server |
| 13:21.49 | jim | YAY!!!! \o/ |
| 13:21.51 | FieldySnuts | back to work, i'll bug you later |
| 13:22.01 | _______Pratap | Hmmm:-b |
| 13:22.08 | jm_ | bradley: so even /quote doesn't help with it? |
| 13:22.15 | takatumi | bradley: if it's irc.debian.org, check with #freenode |
| 13:22.22 | jm_ | or possibly //join |
| 13:22.26 | jim | spam spam spam spam green pus and spam |
| 13:22.36 | bradley | nope. |
| 13:22.41 | stew | ops jim is a spammer |
| 13:22.44 | bradley | none of those commands produce anything. |
| 13:22.53 | jm_ | you need to know how to use it ... |
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| 13:23.26 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.27 | bradley | when I type an unknown command |
| 13:23.45 | bradley | it tells me *** Unknown command: <whatever> |
| 13:23.52 | bradley | but when its a valid command.. i get nothing. |
| 13:23.53 | jim | plays music from an unknown band? |
| 13:24.34 | stew | bradley: am i understanding correctly? you are trying to use a irc network that requires ident and you are having trouble using it without ident? |
| 13:24.38 | takatumi | bradley: if it's client specific, try another client, such as irssi |
| 13:24.52 | jm_ | /on raw should reveal what gets back |
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| 13:25.06 | takatumi | stew: if it's irc.debian.org, there identd is out of the equation. |
| 13:25.07 | jim | does freenode require identd? I know it's checked |
| 13:25.24 | takatumi | s/ere/en |
| 13:25.27 | stew | takatumi: i was told it wasn't freenode but efnet |
| 13:25.29 | jim | wait, but this is authd? |
| 13:25.39 | takatumi | stew: that was me. :) |
| 13:25.41 | stew | oh |
| 13:25.43 | stew | :) |
| 13:26.19 | takatumi | jim: 16:17:00 bradley | would No identd (auth) response |
| 13:26.31 | bradley | jm_ the RAW_IRC list is empty |
| 13:26.46 | drac | efnet doesn't require identd. |
| 13:26.52 | jim | takatumi: could you show the rest of that post? |
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| 13:27.05 | takatumi | drac: it was a while back, I couldn't join a few channels. |
| 13:27.15 | jm_ | bradley: what list? |
| 13:27.26 | Atula | I got Samba working on the Debian box, but there's a tiger (mac) machine that can't get on..... is there a known issue between samba/debian and tiger? |
| 13:27.31 | takatumi | drac: iirc, you can ban based on identd |
| 13:28.03 | bradley | I dunno.. i just did /on raw |
| 13:28.07 | drac | takatumi: yeah, to ban people without one, *!~*@* |
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| 13:28.22 | jm_ | uhh yeah, the syntax is /on raw "*" echo $* |
| 13:28.28 | bradley | oh sorry. |
| 13:28.34 | jm_ | that will print raw crap received from IRC server |
| 13:28.44 | takatumi | jim: 16:17:00 bradley | would No identd (auth) response have anything to do with it? (what fucked up client are *you* using, no lastlog?) :) |
| 13:28.55 | jm_ | and after that run //quote join #blabla |
| 13:29.11 | jim | takatumi: you were closer to it :) |
| 13:29.21 | jim | and thanks for the post |
| 13:29.22 | bradley | nothin. |
| 13:29.29 | bradley | On RAW_IRC from "*" do echo $* [NORMAL] <0> |
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| 13:29.35 | bradley | then the //quote, and still nothing. |
| 13:29.37 | takatumi | !blame epic4 |
| 13:29.55 | jm_ | ok at this point I would use tcpdump to check if it actually sends anything to the server |
| 13:30.12 | bradley | yea. |
| 13:30.16 | bradley | im already starting that. |
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| 13:31.39 | bradley | whoa |
| 13:31.50 | bradley | i just got a *hit load dumped |
| 13:31.57 | yoo | Hum... i don't find documentation about something wrong between acpi thermal_zone and chip KT400A |
| 13:32.03 | bradley | oh nevermind. |
| 13:32.13 | bradley | I got "connection reset by peer" |
| 13:32.25 | bradley | then the motd came back, and it was all RAW_IRC |
| 13:32.52 | jm_ | that explains why it wasn't sending anything, because the connection died |
| 13:33.03 | yoo | Can i show in #flood my dmesg to somebody because i have message about acpi but it' trouble for me ! |
| 13:33.03 | landon|afk | hey guys, anyone know how to tag+move many messages in mutt all at once? |
| 13:33.07 | jm_ | well it tried to, but nothing reached the server |
| 13:33.15 | jm_ | landon|: yes, many people know |
| 13:33.28 | landon| | jm_: yourself included? ;) |
| 13:33.39 | kneet | mount question. When you mount a permission you give an existing directory as mount point. Once mounted - a chmod - does that change the permissions of the existing directory or of the mounted partition (in other words - if that partition is mounted elsewhere will it keep its permissions)? |
| 13:33.46 | omry_at_work | hi, how do I enable (the insecure) passwordless login using .rhosts? |
| 13:33.49 | kneet | mount a permission -> mount a partition |
| 13:33.53 | jm_ | landon|: yes |
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| 13:34.09 | jm_ | omry_at_work: pam_rhosts module |
| 13:34.11 | landon| | kneet: it should |
| 13:34.17 | bradley | jm, yea, but the connection didnt die for a while. |
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| 13:34.35 | jm_ | bradley: yes, it's not always detected in an instance |
| 13:35.09 | bradley | so why would it be disconnecting like that? |
| 13:35.15 | kneet | landon|, OK - here's hoping :) Just set up a new lvm logical vol for tmp (moving it off /) - and it'll take effect next restart - want to make sure that it's got the right permissions when restarting :) |
| 13:35.16 | omry_at_work | jm kernel module? |
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| 13:35.25 | jm_ | omry_at_work: no, what does kernel have to do with this? |
| 13:35.33 | DoppelGanger | omry_at_work: emphasis on insecure |
| 13:35.39 | omry_at_work | jm_, exactly what I was wondering. |
| 13:35.43 | jm_ | bradley: tcpdump is your friend, compare the traffic to a working client |
| 13:35.53 | omry_at_work | DoppelGanger, its for fai setup. |
| 13:35.55 | jm_ | omry_at_work: pam_ means it's PAM related |
| 13:36.09 | landon| | kneet: what kind of perms u after on /tmp? |
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| 13:36.28 | landon| | kneet: security reasons? if so, why not simply mod fstab |
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| 13:36.45 | landon| | kneet: but yeah, it shouldn't be a problem |
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| 13:37.04 | omry_at_work | jm_, how do I enable the pam_rhosts module? |
| 13:37.07 | omry_at_work | (if I need to) |
| 13:37.14 | kneet | landon - rwxrwxrwt I think is normal - just that when you create a new logical volume and mkfs then it seems to get rwxr-xr-x which is not so good for something about to be mounted as /tmp :) |
| 13:37.20 | jm_ | omry_at_work: by editing PAM config file for relevant service |
| 13:37.26 | kneet | Seems to work - just tested :) |
| 13:37.54 | landon| | kneet: hehe, it should bork a few ops |
| 13:37.55 | stew | kneet: /tmp should be 1777 |
| 13:37.58 | omry_at_work | jm_, so in case I need, say, scp, how would that work? |
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| 13:38.54 | coywolf | yesterday, I did a dd if=bioboot of=/dev/hda6, thus I lost that filesystem with 12G data |
| 13:38.55 | jm_ | omry_at_work: ahh you don't need this for scp to work, you can use SSH keys to achieve the same result (password-less login) |
| 13:39.09 | elirips | hello people. i have a pentium-mobile-cpu, and i'dd like to set up frequency-scalling. according to intel.com i should have some files in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/, but that directory is empty. guess i forgot to set something in the kernel-config, anyone knows what i have to enable? i am using kernel 2.6.11.9 |
| 13:39.51 | omry_at_work | jm_, its for fai automated setup. I can't really install the key on the machine before its installed. I somehow need to enter its ip into .rhosts and have it allowed to login this way. |
| 13:39.52 | kneet | stew, 'k. I was just setting the same permissions on the new partition as the old directory has before a restart mounts it (forgot to create a /tmp partition during install and my / hasn't the space for it) |
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| 13:40.17 | jm_ | omry_at_work: but how could this possibly work with services not running? |
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| 13:41.11 | takatumi | elirips: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling |
| 13:41.16 | omry_at_work | jm_, the client (installed machine) need to send logs to the install server. |
| 13:41.29 | omry_at_work | jm_, I guess after it has a basic installation |
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| 13:42.20 | jm_ | omry_at_work: ok so the client runs rcp and you want it to connect without password on server? |
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| 13:43.04 | omry_at_work | yes. scp, or ssh. |
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| 13:43.10 | omry_at_work | jm ^^ |
| 13:43.39 | elirips | takatumi: thanks for the link. btw, why have all this things moved to /sys? i currently can change speed of the cpu using /proc/acpi/processor/CPU/throttling. |
| 13:43.48 | bradley | brb |
| 13:44.17 | jm_ | omry_at_work: that's handled by SSH, editing /etc/pam.d/ssh and ~/.rhosts should do (or using hosts.equiv) |
| 13:44.48 | PerfDave | Is burning data DVDs on Debian with Free software easy yet? I was thinking of investing in a DVD drive, but only if I can just use k3b to burn a bunch of files. |
| 13:45.12 | StijnT | using GnomeBaker here, workz like a charm |
| 13:45.19 | StijnT | and of course hdX=ide-cd |
| 13:45.24 | jm_ | PerfDave: growisofs works great for me |
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| 13:45.31 | pi___ | sup |
| 13:45.34 | tralala | PerfDave: you can use k3b or growisofs depending on your UI preferences. Both are easy. |
| 13:45.36 | pi___ | okay |
| 13:45.37 | Yahhas | hello, I wanna install a forum on my box, what do I have to install exactly? |
| 13:45.49 | bradley | yea.. irssi is pretty cool |
| 13:45.57 | PerfDave | Fair enough, I was hearing loads of stuff about having to use some non-Free tools and faff around. |
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| 13:47.01 | tralala | PerfDave: I've being burning data and movies on dvds without any problems (including dvd-rw). |
| 13:47.25 | omry_at_work | jm_, looking into it, thanks. |
| 13:47.42 | jm_ | omry_at_work: you also need to enable it in sshd config |
| 13:47.44 | kneet | tralala, does growisofs treat dvd-rw as dvd-r or does it support the rw part? |
| 13:47.53 | omry_at_work | jm_, its enabled there, I looked. |
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| 13:48.38 | omry_at_work | jm_, pam.d/ssh is not very descriptive... |
| 13:49.03 | tralala | kneet: it supports rw |
| 13:49.26 | jm_ | omry_at_work: yes it is |
| 13:49.29 | landon| | bradley: understatement |
| 13:49.34 | tralala | i.e. if the disc is full or closed you can rewrite it just as writing to a blank r |
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| 13:53.15 | eXistenZ | what is the main package for Qt3? |
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| 13:53.44 | sussudio | !tell eXistenZ about search |
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| 13:54.07 | eXistenZ | I know this one =) |
| 13:54.48 | yoo | eXistenZ : are fan of cronenberg film ? :) |
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| 13:54.52 | eXistenZ | yeppers |
| 13:54.55 | eXistenZ | I like it |
| 13:54.59 | yoo | :) |
| 13:55.06 | eXistenZ | Did you watch it yourself |
| 13:55.10 | yoo | the same for me |
| 13:55.14 | yoo | yes |
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| 13:58.16 | eXistenZ | I'm trying to mount the ntfs to one of my folders, but it says only root can do this. However, when I log in as a root and mount it as a root, I cannot enter to the directory through the user. How can I fix this? |
| 13:58.40 | yoo | normal |
| 13:58.41 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: Mount it as root, with options which allow it to be accessed by users. |
| 13:58.50 | yoo | spuash_root |
| 13:58.51 | RogueDopple | better idea |
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| 13:58.54 | RogueDopple | man mount |
| 13:59.02 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: Or put an entry in /etc/fstab which allows it to be mounted by users. |
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| 14:00.03 | yoo | eXistenZ, look your /etc/exports |
| 14:00.06 | yoo | (rw,no_root_squash) |
| 14:00.24 | s_ward | yoo, ntfs, not nfs :) |
| 14:00.26 | takatumi | for ntfs? |
| 14:00.29 | PerfDave | yoo: Uhm, that's for NFS, not for mounting NTFS partitions. |
| 14:00.30 | tosh | I put my emailaddress as teh person to receive mail for root in /etc/aliases but the mail is still stored in /var/spool/mail/root |
| 14:00.32 | yoo | oh |
| 14:00.37 | yoo | really soory |
| 14:00.42 | Mark_Ryan | let's watch the nickname stealer go bye-bye: |
| 14:00.46 | asg | tosh: what mta are you using? |
| 14:00.48 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: Do you use gnome or kde? |
| 14:00.58 | Phated | KDEEEE. |
| 14:00.58 | Mark_Ryan | heh |
| 14:01.08 | Mark_Ryan | thank you. show over. |
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| 14:01.11 | FieldySnuts | f |
| 14:01.19 | Phated | Fi! |
| 14:01.29 | Phated | It's... FIIIIELDYSNUTS! |
| 14:01.45 | FieldySnuts | yay |
| 14:02.24 | takatumi | ooh, more, more. |
| 14:02.37 | *** part/#debian Ringbang (~kablooie@65.123.211.61) |
| 14:02.37 | Phated | Pervy voyeur. Pay like everyone else. |
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| 14:02.49 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: I use KDE. |
| 14:03.00 | Phated | baD boY! |
| 14:03.07 | peterS | sorrY |
| 14:04.09 | peterS | s_ward: a bit of debian stuff still leaks through to here, so it's ok |
| 14:04.15 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: when booting to debian, when it reaches "starting/start MTA", it hangs for a while, what might cause this |
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| 14:04.52 | peterS | eXistenZ: I'm guessing your MTA is attempting to do stuff with name resolution, and timing out because the network is still in the process of rubbing its eyes and stretching |
| 14:05.15 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: Probably your network connection is not established, and your MTA is timing out on DNS lookups. "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and change your answer to the last question. |
| 14:05.15 | eXistenZ | so it has to do with the network? |
| 14:05.21 | eXistenZ | I see |
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| 14:05.28 | takatumi | peterS: could'nt have been put any better. |
| 14:05.30 | peterS | eXistenZ: PerfDave and I think alike, sometimes |
| 14:05.51 | Phated | And me, too, other times. |
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| 14:06.10 | peterS | starting with the letter P influences one's thought patterns |
| 14:06.23 | Phated | patternS. |
| 14:06.35 | asg | (: (tm) |
| 14:06.48 | peterS | isn't that what I Saited? |
| 14:06.50 | takatumi | FE. |
| 14:07.00 | Phated | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.03 | Phated | :) |
| 14:07.03 | _ng | Hi everybody. I'm building my own MySQL packages and put "Provides: libmysqlclient10, libmysqlclient12, mysql-common" in the control-file. That works fine for courier-authmysql, postfix-gld and postfix-mysql but proftpd-mysql still wants me to install libmysqlclient10. Any ideas? |
| 14:07.06 | peterS | ha |
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| 14:07.19 | peterS | Phated: no, if you did that you'd have to start using (: too |
| 14:07.33 | Phated | (: All right then. |
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| 14:07.42 | antgel | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.47 | antgel | !bumming |
| 14:08.37 | asg | phated phears pears |
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| 14:08.45 | Phated | I do not. I adore pears. |
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| 14:09.07 | peterS | another P* influence, clearly. I just bought some pears a few hours ago |
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| 14:09.24 | asg | peterS: don't forget pints |
| 14:09.28 | PerfDave | Hmm. Can I have multiple keypairs with SSH? I have a passphrase-free SSH key which I use to establish some tunnels on my LAN at boot, I'd also like a passphrase-protected key for accessing other people's systems. But ssh-keygen wants to overwrite my existing key when I generate a new one. |
| 14:09.37 | Phated | Pints of pear? |
| 14:10.12 | satyap | PerfDave: -f? |
| 14:10.20 | satyap | man ssh-keygen :) |
| 14:10.32 | jetx | pear brandy |
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| 14:10.48 | nkuttler | _ng: maybe it or one of it's dependies requires a specific version of mysqlclient10? |
| 14:10.55 | peterS | PerfDave: yeah, you can generate as many keys as you want. and you can specify which one to use for which machines, in ~/.ssh/config |
| 14:10.56 | PerfDave | satyap: I read it, thanks. But if I use a different filename, will I have to fuck around with other SSH utilities to get them to recognise the second key? |
| 14:11.05 | PerfDave | Ah, OK. |
| 14:11.25 | asg | PerfDave: iirc, you can store options in the known_hosts for certain hosts (i.e., use different keys, etc.) |
| 14:11.54 | _ng | nkuttler: My MySQL-package has version 4.1.12 and proftpd-mysql requires "libmysqlclient10 (>= 3.23.56)". Guess, that should work out. Anyways I tried to put a specific version in the Provides-line but that doesn't seem to be possible? |
| 14:12.01 | asg | PerfDave: if not, you can use options in your ~/.ssh/config to do it. |
| 14:12.07 | tosh | asg sendmail |
| 14:12.11 | asg | tosh: newaliases |
| 14:12.45 | asg | tosh: sendmail reads from a berkley db, not /etc/aliases. newaliases creates the db file. |
| 14:12.48 | sussudio | what's an OR in a regex? like if match1 OR match then |
| 14:12.58 | asg | sussudio: foo|bar |
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| 14:13.05 | nkuttler | _ng: i'd install the deps one by one and see if one pulls 10 |
| 14:13.10 | sussudio | asg: myeah. pisg doesn't seem to be wanting to respect that. |
| 14:13.24 | peterS | PerfDave: http://p12n.org/tmp/ssh.config - a pared-down version of my ~/.ssh/config demonstrating multiple keys and a few other parameters |
| 14:13.28 | PerfDave | It seems that ssh-add and ssh-agent can't handle keys that aren't called id_rsa or whatever |
| 14:13.39 | asg | sussudio: you might need to use [foo|bar]. |
| 14:13.41 | s_ward | sussudio: try (foo|bar) |
| 14:13.51 | sussudio | i tried with ()'s... |
| 14:13.52 | peterS | PerfDave: they can but you have to specify them explicitly |
| 14:14.05 | PerfDave | peterS: Hmm, OK. In that case their manpages are crap :) |
| 14:14.09 | asg | PerfDave: specify them on the command line. |
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| 14:14.42 | kaktus | Hi! Anyone here who can help me out with debian? |
| 14:14.45 | asg | PerfDave: the explanation is in the first paragraph of the manpage (at least for ssh-add) |
| 14:14.48 | s_ward | [] is for alternative symbols [abc] = (a|b|c), [a-z] = (a|b|...|z) |
| 14:14.49 | sussudio | !kill kaktus |
| 14:14.49 | kaktus | Please! |
| 14:14.51 | sussudio | neh it doesn't like the []'s. |
| 14:14.53 | asg | !tell kaktus about ask |
| 14:15.19 | jetx | aka just fuckin ask a question |
| 14:15.24 | _ng | nkuttler: Don't quite get what you want me to do. libmysqlclient10 is the only package left proftpd-mysql needs. But I just noticed that in this packages Depends line libmysqlclient10 and libmysqlclient10 (>= 3.23.56) appear. Maybe that could somehow be a problem? |
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| 14:15.34 | jetx | besides that one |
| 14:15.47 | _ng | (the only _uninstalled_ package left) |
| 14:15.50 | sussudio | i want to match -\|[^>]*-(.*?).mp3 or (?:np:|(?:now )?playing:? (?:MPEG stream from)?)\s*(.*) |
| 14:15.53 | kaktus | okay.......... |
| 14:16.09 | jetx | way to follow instructions........... |
| 14:16.17 | jetx | :p |
| 14:16.18 | FieldySnuts | @smite sussudio |
| 14:16.25 | FieldySnuts | heh. irony |
| 14:16.43 | takatumi | heh |
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| 14:16.49 | FieldySnuts | :-< |
| 14:17.11 | peterS | PerfDave: if you're wondering about the "ServerAliveInterval 30" line in my config, that works around a stupid NAT that forgets TCP connections if you let them idle very long |
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| 14:17.33 | kaktus | I've installed debian on my comp. Downloaded the first out of many iso-files from debians homepage and installed the thing. Now I'm sitting there with a console and a question about login info! Where is the windows-interface I'm looking for! |
| 14:17.34 | kaktus | ? |
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| 14:18.28 | takatumi | sussudio: would 'quoting' help? |
| 14:18.40 | sussudio | takatumi: neh. it's being a bitch. |
| 14:18.46 | FieldySnuts | user error |
| 14:18.57 | FieldySnuts | #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 14:18.59 | PerfDave | peterS: Actually, I have one in my ssh_config already, due to a similar problem ;) |
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| 14:19.06 | peterS | PerfDave: ah, heh |
| 14:19.15 | PerfDave | kaktus: Did you select the "Desktop Environment" task while installing? |
| 14:19.19 | chipdalf | kaktus: perhaps you should install a windows-interface first? *g* |
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| 14:19.54 | Spods | hello |
| 14:20.14 | kaktus | Huh? I got a tip of trying the command 'startx', but it doesn't work. It replies with "Bash: invalid command" or something like that |
| 14:20.41 | jetx | kaktus: try logging in |
| 14:20.48 | asg | kaktus: install xclients-base |
| 14:20.59 | chipdalf | kaktus: log in as root and execute tasksel then try to install desktop environment |
| 14:21.02 | PerfDave | kaktus: That's probably because you didn't install the startx command :) |
| 14:21.03 | asg | kaktus: or rather xbase-clients |
| 14:21.21 | kaktus | I am a newbie to linux afterall |
| 14:21.26 | PerfDave | kaktus: You may find this helpful, though it's not finished yet: http://technomancer.homelinux.org/~grimoire/temp/consolehowto.html |
| 14:21.26 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: Is it preferred to delete gnome if I'm using KDE? |
| 14:21.44 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: You don't have to. It'll just take up a bit of room on your hard drive. |
| 14:22.02 | chipdalf | eXistenZ: if you do not use it... why leave it on your pc? |
| 14:22.15 | eXistenZ | yeah, I prefer to delete it. |
| 14:22.30 | eXistenZ | so I have to go to the package manager and delete it, right |
| 14:22.35 | kaktus | So, what you mean is that when I type 'tasksel', I get asked for a CD to install the desktop enviroment? Didn't notice that during the installation the first time |
| 14:22.42 | asg | eXistenZ: or /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 14:22.46 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: Yeah, you might want to purge too, to get rid of config files. |
| 14:22.49 | omry_at_work | eXistenZ, some applications which you might want to use depends on it. (synaptic) |
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| 14:23.30 | PerfDave | omry_at_work: synaptic doesn't depend on Gnome, just on gtk :) |
| 14:23.34 | s_ward | they'll depend on parts of it, but not the whole lot |
| 14:23.36 | Spods | i find some gnome packages tend to find their way on there, if i like it or not |
| 14:23.47 | s_ward | either way, there's ksynaptic |
| 14:23.56 | PerfDave | kaktus: During the installation process, you were asked which sets of packages you wanted to install. If you didn't select "Desktop Environment", Debian won't have tried to install a GUI. You need to install the GUI yourself, either using tasksel to install a whole bunch of stuff, or manually doing a more minimal installation. |
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| 14:24.16 | PerfDave | s_ward: Sadly not packaged in Sarge, though I may have to download it now :) |
| 14:24.20 | Tenkawa | when did the non-us section become deprecated? |
| 14:24.25 | asg | Tenkawa: /topic |
| 14:24.47 | kaktus | PerfDave: DO I have to download all 14 ISO? |
| 14:24.53 | StijnT | lol |
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| 14:24.58 | Tenkawa | asg: heh completely missed that.. sorry |
| 14:24.58 | Spods | tenkawa: the news section on www.debian.org had an article when this happened |
| 14:24.59 | Guerin | kpackage != ksynaptic? |
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| 14:25.07 | WhiteRabbit | kaktus, just 2 dvd's |
| 14:25.15 | PerfDave | kaktus: No, you don't. Did you read the Installation Manual? |
| 14:25.18 | asg | Guerin: k == krap? |
| 14:25.20 | s_ward | hmm, I'm sure there used to be a ksynptic |
| 14:25.28 | Tenkawa | I'm also noticing some mirrors are giving me a bad gpg message |
| 14:25.31 | Guerin | asg: kould be |
| 14:25.34 | PerfDave | Tenkawa: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 14:25.36 | asg | Tenkawa: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 14:25.36 | kaktus | It asked if I had any other CDs with debian, and I answered no |
| 14:25.45 | asg | Guerin: kuite |
| 14:25.47 | kaktus | I haven't got a DVD-burner |
| 14:25.51 | Tenkawa | umm dpkg isnt here |
| 14:25.53 | asg | !test |
| 14:25.54 | dpkg | No, asg, you're not online any more. |
| 14:25.54 | Tenkawa | apt is though |
| 14:25.55 | PerfDave | kaktus: Debian only requires a very small amount of downloaded stuff, it'll pull anything else it needs off the Internet. |
| 14:25.57 | Tenkawa | wtf |
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| 14:26.09 | StijnT | lol |
| 14:26.17 | Tenkawa | ROFL I typed dkpg |
| 14:26.44 | asg | Tenkawa: that's for the Danish bot |
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| 14:27.16 | Tenkawa | whats strange is that not all the mirrors are giving the error |
| 14:27.49 | s_ward | hah, there's ksynaptics for all your synaptic touchpad needs :) |
| 14:27.50 | n0dez | hi guys |
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| 14:28.21 | nunez | how can I stop apt-get upgrade from installing udev? |
| 14:28.25 | n0dez | i was wondering if anyone of you has used debian w/ a FreeBSD kernel |
| 14:28.39 | n0dez | *any |
| 14:28.41 | Tenkawa | ermm.. htmmm. |
| 14:28.42 | nunez | Its forcing me to install it, but I dont have a >2.6.12 kernel |
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| 14:28.44 | Tenkawa | err hrmmm |
| 14:28.56 | n0dez | is it usable? |
| 14:29.06 | FieldySnuts | wow that udev issue has been around for weeks? nice not smiting the submiter |
| 14:29.07 | PerfDave | n0dez: Don't install something which depends on udev, like Gnome? |
| 14:29.18 | s_ward | nunez, use your package manager to hold udev |
| 14:29.22 | takatumi | nunez: gnome-volume-manager? |
| 14:29.29 | Tenkawa | asg: has anyone tested those docs lately |
| 14:29.37 | wam | n0dez: i heard Hurd runs below debian. But *BSD would be a novum for me ;) |
| 14:29.37 | asg | Tenkawa: which docs? |
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| 14:29.47 | nunez | takatumi: I'm not sure, I just did apt-get upgrade on my lappy |
| 14:29.48 | Tenkawa | I get this after adding the deb location and update then install apt/experimental |
| 14:29.49 | peterS | hmmm, I have managed to avoid udev so far. apparently the whole world doesn't depend on it yet |
| 14:29.51 | Tenkawa | E: Release 'experimental' for 'apt' was not found |
| 14:29.53 | PerfDave | n0dez: It seems to be. Check out the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD project? |
| 14:29.56 | nunez | s_ward: How would I go about doing that? |
| 14:29.58 | n0dez | PerfDave: okay. these days i'm using KDE. so no problem. |
| 14:30.13 | asg | peterS: me as well, long live MAKEDEV |
| 14:30.25 | PerfDave | Argh, I'm getting confused between n0dez and nunez! |
| 14:30.26 | s_ward | nunez, in aptitude, highlight, and press '=' |
| 14:30.33 | n0dez | PerfDave so you have actually used it right? |
| 14:30.40 | Tenkawa | haahahaaa |
| 14:30.44 | n0dez | PerfDave me too |
| 14:30.45 | stew | peterS: i just finally decided to give it a try for the frst time 2 weeks ago, it was completely painless and straightforward |
| 14:30.46 | PerfDave | n0dez: Used what? Gnome? Not if I can avoid it :) |
| 14:30.46 | n0dez | lol |
| 14:30.46 | znh | Hi there, I have a 486 DX/2, with 2 pcmcia slots with two controllers, but when I insert a pcmcia harddisk and a pcmcia network card, the network card is not being requinised |
| 14:30.51 | n0dez | nope |
| 14:30.57 | n0dez | i mean debian kfreebsd |
| 14:31.02 | stew | peterS: (but completely unnecessary of course) |
| 14:31.14 | PerfDave | n0dez: No, I've not used Debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 14:31.14 | Tenkawa | 486??? wow.. |
| 14:31.17 | peterS | stew: presumably the pain factor is asymptotically approaching MAKEDEV's |
| 14:31.27 | Spods | !tell Spods udev |
| 14:31.34 | PerfDave | n0dez: But there was some news article about it recently, which suggested that it's vaguely usable. |
| 14:31.34 | asg | Spods: /msg dpkg udev |
| 14:31.37 | kaktus | perfDave: I have dual-boot along with windows.....Isn't there any easy solution on which cds to download to have a complete runable installation? |
| 14:31.41 | Spods | whoops, didn't get that right |
| 14:31.46 | Spods | asg: thanks |
| 14:31.55 | n0dez | PerfDave: ok |
| 14:31.56 | nunez | s_ward: I highlight it and press =, yet it does nothing |
| 14:32.07 | n0dez | PerfDave thanks |
| 14:32.07 | asg | Spods: if you need to tell others, you can use '!tell <user> about <factoid>' |
| 14:32.31 | Spods | asg: i was just going to get it to tell me in private msg |
| 14:32.52 | asg | Spods: ah, then /msg'ing the bot is the best way in that case. |
| 14:33.03 | Spods | asg: yep, got it. thanks |
| 14:33.07 | asg | Spods: you're welcome |
| 14:33.11 | stew | god i really hate it when these virus storms are going on in the internet |
| 14:33.13 | Tenkawa | man the ppc branch on the mirrors is flaky at best |
| 14:33.21 | asg | stew: which one do we have today? |
| 14:33.34 | Tenkawa | half of the mirrors in ftp.us.debian.org aren't even in sync |
| 14:33.42 | stew | i wonder how many times i've had to explain to this one client that there is a difference between a To: header and an evelope addressee |
| 14:33.49 | asg | satyap: /msg dpkg mg |
| 14:33.51 | PerfDave | kaktus: Define "complete runable installation"? The netinst CD will give you everything you need to have a working system. The first full CD will give you a GUI and the most popular desktop environments. I've never noticed needing anything beyond CD 3, and even then that was just one package. |
| 14:33.55 | takatumi | Tenkawa: try ftp.debian.org or some other. |
| 14:33.58 | satyap | thanks |
| 14:34.05 | stew | asg: i actually dont know, i just know that there is some virus that clam is being slow to detect |
| 14:34.12 | stew | asg: is/was |
| 14:34.12 | Tenkawa | takatumi: eventually I find one thats up to date.. . just disappointing |
| 14:34.19 | PerfDave | kaktus: Like I say, once you have your system up and running, which you currently do, you can use apt to install everything else you need from the Internet, with no need for more CDs. Did you read the Installation Manual yet? |
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| 14:34.35 | asg | stew: I get sick of explaining to clueless 3rd party vendors that we don't allow them to spoof our envelope senders though they can get the functionality they need using just To: and Reply-To: headers. |
| 14:34.37 | takatumi | Tenkawa: hosts moving around etc. |
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| 14:34.38 | Spods | bleh. my countries politicians are talking about racial profiling being justified. idiots. |
| 14:34.44 | satyap | oh, i'm down with the basic stuff -- but i have specific vague questions |
| 14:34.52 | Tenkawa | takatumi: that and ppc isnt exactly the most popular branch out there |
| 14:34.56 | s_ward | nunez, sorry, where was I? Err, holding a package, it does nothing? Try finding out what depends on it: 'r' (for reverse dependencies) |
| 14:35.20 | satyap | Spods: what country is that? |
| 14:35.35 | Spods | satyap: Australia |
| 14:35.45 | s_ward | nunez, I said aptitude, what do you prefer to use? I have synaptic in front of me now, so I can work through it if you wish? |
| 14:36.01 | PerfDave | I'm not surprised, Australia seems to be somewhere between the USA and UK in terms of scary right-wing evil |
| 14:36.01 | satyap | so i have this package that does a perl Makefile.PL && make && make install... and i want to make a deb out of that |
| 14:36.10 | asg | satyap: oh, use dh-make-perl |
| 14:36.11 | satyap | Spods: ah, my guess would have been US |
| 14:36.31 | asg | satyap: it does a pretty good job of debianizing perl modules |
| 14:36.32 | satyap | asg: ooer, thanks |
| 14:36.49 | satyap | this isn't a perl module, but dh-make-perl sounds more useful than dh_make |
| 14:37.08 | asg | satyap: perl Makefile.PL sounds like a perl module build. |
| 14:37.25 | satyap | right |
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| 14:37.56 | satyap | it's a web application (ick) that installs a bunch of modules, and a bunch of cgi scripts, and asks a bunch of questions along the way |
| 14:37.57 | Tenkawa | or a makefile from someone who doesnt think Gnu make is already painful enough |
| 14:38.02 | satyap | (like, what langauge do you want, etc) |
| 14:38.10 | Spods | PerfDave: i know what you mean, i always thought us lucky not having the massive security surveilance that Great Britain has, it seems now our PM believes this is the way to go. I couldn't think of a worse thing |
| 14:38.18 | satyap | Tenkawa: hmm... yes, that's what it is |
| 14:38.36 | nunez | How do I upgrade to a 2.6.13 kernel, I dont see it with apt-cache? |
| 14:38.38 | PerfDave | Spods: We don't really have massive security surveillance yet, but Blair's working on it. Anyway, this is #politics stuff :) |
| 14:38.43 | satyap | Spods: have them spend taxpayer money on putting surveillance cameras in the outback |
| 14:38.53 | s_ward | nunez, 2.6.13 isn't available yet |
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| 14:39.00 | nunez | s_ward: 2.6.12? |
| 14:39.03 | asg | satyap: ah, okay. That might not work as well with dh-make-perl. Perhaps, splitting the perl modules out into separate packages built with dh-make-perl and then using a standard debian package for the cgi's, etc. would work better. |
| 14:39.09 | s_ward | nunez, not in debian anyway, linux-image-2.6.12 |
| 14:39.12 | satyap | nunez: (and i might get slammed for this) we compile our own kernels, we don't apt-get them |
| 14:39.20 | asg | satyap: still, you can give it a try and see what happens. |
| 14:39.26 | satyap | asg: that is a good idea |
| 14:39.31 | nunez | satyap: I have no reason to compile it myself |
| 14:39.33 | s_ward | satyap, I find it easier to apt-get first, customise later |
| 14:39.41 | PerfDave | satyap: Do you make-kpkg them? ;) |
| 14:39.42 | satyap | we=me and others at work |
| 14:39.48 | satyap | and i see your points |
| 14:39.51 | Tenkawa | nunez: you _always_ have a reason to compile one |
| 14:40.05 | satyap | PerfDave: no... should i? /me hasn't a clue |
| 14:40.13 | asg | satyap: if it turns out some of the necessary modules are already available as debs, you can just add Depends: arguments to the non-perl package to pull them in. |
| 14:40.15 | Tenkawa | if for nothing else than to make it fit your hardware/software better |
| 14:40.19 | s_ward | The Debian packaged kernels are highly modularised |
| 14:40.20 | satyap | nunez: whatever works for you |
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| 14:40.39 | s_ward | if you are compiling your own just to cut things out, you don't gain much |
| 14:40.48 | satyap | asg: roger... the modules that it builds aren't standard ones, they're application-specific ones |
| 14:40.49 | s_ward | except maybe a little less overhead for module loading |
| 14:40.50 | PerfDave | satyap: If you *have* to hand-compile kernels on Debian (which 99% of people who do, don't), then using make-kpkg makes the whole procedure easier. |
| 14:40.57 | satyap | in other words, the app installs parts of itself as modules |
| 14:41.01 | Tenkawa | s_ward: actually you do.. have you seen a default debian install's lsmod list? |
| 14:41.02 | Spods | hmmm dpkg doesn't have anything to say about rndc or rndc-confgen |
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| 14:41.19 | s_ward | Tenkawa, err, yes, mine |
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| 14:41.23 | s_ward | Tenkawa, it's quite lean |
| 14:41.25 | Tenkawa | I got modules insmodded by default that are completely goofy for a ppc machine |
| 14:41.25 | satyap | PerfDave: i'm running make menuconfig && make modules_install && make install... is that hand-compiling? |
| 14:41.31 | Tenkawa | s_ward: not here it isnt |
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| 14:41.47 | rob__newbie | hello everyone |
| 14:41.53 | Tenkawa | like why the hell is it loading via82cxxx |
| 14:42.05 | PerfDave | satyap: Yes, that's hand-compiling. |
| 14:42.07 | Tenkawa | thats not even available for a ppc (at least this one) |
| 14:42.09 | s_ward | Tenkawa, most of the modules appear to be alsa -- because you have that chipset? |
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| 14:42.33 | Tenkawa | as far as I know there is no Mac via82cxxx |
| 14:42.40 | s_ward | strange |
| 14:42.46 | stew | satyap: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 14:43.01 | PerfDave | satyap: With make-kpkg, you just do "make menuconfig && make-kpkg kernel_image" and it gives you a .deb which works exactly like Debian kernel-image packages - it sets up the bootloader for you automatically, and you can copy the .deb between machines easily etc. |
| 14:43.01 | satyap | roger wilco |
| 14:43.16 | PerfDave | satyap: There's an article on compiling kernels on http://www.debian-administration.org/ that you may wish to read. |
| 14:43.24 | satyap | thank you for the information |
| 14:43.35 | Tenkawa | Anyone seen an embedded hardware channel on freenode? |
| 14:44.03 | PerfDave | Tenkawa: /msg chanserv list *emb* |
| 14:44.17 | satyap | well, gaim sucks |
| 14:44.32 | Tenkawa | PerfDave: yeah thought about that |
| 14:44.39 | asg | Tenkawa: there are plenty of good howtos out there about OpenBSD on Soekris and Wrap boards. Most of that information should easily translate to running Debian instead. |
| 14:44.42 | Tenkawa | but it comes u p empty |
| 14:44.51 | PerfDave | Tenkawa: Uhm, no it doesn't. I just did it. |
| 14:44.59 | FarrisG | anyone ever used Maui Scheduler under debian? |
| 14:45.03 | Tenkawa | dam*oit I cant read |
| 14:45.06 | Tenkawa | today |
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| 14:45.18 | Tenkawa | I should not try to do any coding today |
| 14:45.29 | Tenkawa | and thank you |
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| 14:46.16 | Tenkawa | I just want to find out what owners of both think about each |
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| 14:48.44 | FieldySnuts | @polls |
| 14:48.45 | ravenbird | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid badgers will hurt you. |
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| 14:50.30 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: after I deleted gnome, I noticed that after I restarted the computer I cannot see a graphical interface that prompts me for user and pass, but rather the text-based interface, then I have to click startx to get x and kde started. |
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| 14:50.40 | Atula | hi everyone, I know this might be OT, but I can't seemt to find an answer anywhere... I have samba install on Debian.... and it's functioning well... however, there's a tiger computer (tiger 10.4.2) that can't get onto the server. Does anyone have any info on this issue? |
| 14:50.51 | satyap | firewall? |
| 14:50.54 | Tenkawa | FieldySnuts: if you had looked at my statement earlier you wouldve seen the full statement in asking which one was better suited for debian |
| 14:51.04 | PerfDave | eXistenZ: apt-get install kdm |
| 14:51.07 | Tenkawa | however it was unknown so oh well |
| 14:51.08 | satyap | dh-make-perl rocks, so far |
| 14:51.12 | asg | Atula: start looking in the logs on the server and perhaps using verbose flags on the client side to see if you can isolate the issue. |
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| 14:51.19 | satyap | time to run make world-clean |
| 14:51.34 | s_ward | PerfDave, the package manager is kynaptic, not ksynaptic if you look in a kubuntu package list :) |
| 14:51.35 | Spods | atula: what's a tiger computer (for my curiousity) |
| 14:51.46 | asg | Spods: OS X 10.4.2 |
| 14:51.54 | Spods | atula: never mind, i just worked it out :) |
| 14:52.03 | Spods | duhh |
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| 14:52.17 | PerfDave | s_ward: Hmm, isn't packaged in Sarge. I might build it from source :) |
| 14:52.19 | Spods | atula: what's the problem? |
| 14:52.26 | eXistenZ | kewl |
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| 14:54.33 | asg | only one way to find out |
| 14:54.53 | Atula | Spods: Tiger 10.4.2 can't get onto the samba server |
| 14:55.50 | Spods | Atula: I've only dabbled with Mac OS X, what do the logs say? |
| 14:55.55 | asg | satyap: you can use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 14:56.04 | satyap | right, that is what i am doing |
| 14:56.10 | satyap | the runs as root part was a joke, sorry |
| 14:56.30 | satyap | well i have a deb but it's very small |
| 14:56.35 | satyap | only one way to find out :) |
| 14:56.43 | asg | satyap: dpkg -c <deb> (see what's in it) |
| 14:56.51 | satyap | no. never mind the deb is too small |
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| 14:57.02 | satyap | it's an order of magnitude smaller than the tarball |
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| 14:57.15 | asg | satyap: then you'll probably have to hack debian/rules |
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| 14:57.36 | satyap | yeah :( |
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| 14:58.19 | satyap | or i could rm -rf debian ... it was left over from a previous dh_make |
| 14:58.25 | satyap | i should be building a source package |
| 14:58.28 | satyap | whatever that is |
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| 14:58.44 | asg | satyap: a source package just allows you to run dpkg-buildpackage to generate a deb |
| 14:58.54 | satyap | oh. screw that then |
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| 14:59.19 | asg | satyap: if you had previous cruft, I'd start with a free unpackaged tarball and run dh-make-perl again to see if it works better. |
| 14:59.32 | Atula | Spods: prs_mem_get: reading data or size 2 would overrun buffer |
| 14:59.55 | satyap | asg: agreed |
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| 15:00.36 | Spods | atula: yuck. is that on the MacOSX client or on the Samba server? |
| 15:01.02 | Atula | that's the log on the server |
| 15:01.21 | satyap | Error: mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mySiteMaker': Permission denied |
| 15:01.21 | satyap | hrm someone isn't using DESTDIR |
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| 15:01.25 | Atula | !nfs |
| 15:01.25 | dpkg | i guess nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
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| 15:02.55 | FarrisG | I'm looking for a decent (and hopefully free) batch processing, load-sharing, scheduling tool (or cocktail of tools) for my 35+ node debian farm |
| 15:02.58 | FarrisG | Any suggestions? |
| 15:03.13 | eXistenZ | where is that administrator mode button |
| 15:03.33 | Whisky_ | PerfDave ? |
| 15:03.54 | Spods | packages |
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| 15:03.59 | Whisky_ | heh |
| 15:04.09 | FarrisG | hah |
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| 15:04.42 | Phated | Source trees? :) |
| 15:04.48 | sciron | with roots? :O |
| 15:04.56 | Phated | Well, duh. |
| 15:04.59 | satyap | potatoes |
| 15:05.03 | sciron | lol |
| 15:05.04 | sciron | touche |
| 15:05.12 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 15:05.14 | Phated | Woodies! |
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| 15:05.22 | satyap | oh haha |
| 15:05.25 | sciron | must be a porn farm |
| 15:05.51 | PerfDave | FarrisG: < directhex|work> torque or gridengine; gridengine is probably the better product, but has an odd license. |
| 15:05.51 | satyap | if we grew sarges, it'd be *boot* camp |
| 15:05.54 | PerfDave | Whisky_: ? |
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| 15:06.13 | Spods | Atula: i found this blog http://www.stillhq.com/2005/07/19/ which leads me to this samba mail list archive, which I'm still reading http://www.mail-archive.com/samba@lists.samba.org/msg58641.html |
| 15:06.57 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I am having alot of packet loss. On the Windows end 4308 packets have been sent at only 74 received. No internet on the Windows box, ofcourse. |
| 15:07.10 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Did you swap the cards back round? |
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| 15:07.31 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Yes, everything's all set. I got a similar card to eth0 so now both of them work perfectly. |
| 15:07.39 | Whisky_ | although there still is packet loss. |
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| 15:07.48 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Hang on, a "similar card"? Where? |
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| 15:08.03 | meatwadd | anyone have an idea why a hd w/ OS n everything already on it would bootup and say invalid system disk? |
| 15:08.11 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Actually, I don't have time to deal with this right now, sorry. I need to get to the shops ebfore they shut. |
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| 15:08.36 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: oh no problem. When will you be back ? |
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| 15:08.59 | satyap | meatwadd: because it has a bad boot sector, or partition isn't active, or something? |
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| 15:09.23 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Write down everything that you've done, what worked and what didn't, in paster. |
| 15:09.32 | Whisky_ | Ok! |
| 15:09.41 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Oh, and *why* ;0 |
| 15:09.51 | meatwadd | noone can help me? :-/ |
| 15:09.52 | Spods | Atula: do Apple have anything to say about the error? |
| 15:09.56 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: k :p |
| 15:10.15 | satyap | that's interesting it created a libmysitemaker package |
| 15:10.18 | asg | meatwadd: perhaps you didn't install a bootloader to the MBR |
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| 15:11.04 | meatwadd | i dont think so |
| 15:11.18 | meatwadd | cause i just took this hd out of another system when it was working minutes before |
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| 15:11.44 | satyap | put it back and see if it still works |
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| 15:11.46 | asg | meatwadd: then check to see if the bios recognizes the disk you just installed. |
| 15:11.51 | satyap | that too |
| 15:11.52 | meatwadd | then the system died out on me saying please check signal cable on the monitor, so im trying to get the hd going in another system |
| 15:12.18 | satyap | drive fried? |
| 15:12.30 | zOap_Mac | is there a way to mount ftp shares in windows explorer? |
| 15:12.35 | meatwadd | ill try n check the bios.... for some reason tho the computer wont let me get into the bios |
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| 15:12.37 | chaica | hi |
| 15:12.44 | Spods | meatwadd: the system that has check signal cable, has the monitor data cable come out of the back? |
| 15:12.58 | meatwadd | na, i tried the system with another monitor |
| 15:13.00 | chaica | is someone using proftpd, I've got a "no certificates found" while launching proftpd |
| 15:13.01 | meatwadd | and another vid card |
| 15:13.02 | asg | zOap_Mac: dunno, try mapping a drive and seeing if ftp:// urls work. Otherwise, ask #windows |
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| 15:13.08 | tracysun | hi,all |
| 15:13.35 | zOap_Mac | asg, ok, it don´t. I¨ll ask in windows:) thanks |
| 15:13.37 | satyap | it never occuered to me to wonder why that question is in #debian |
| 15:13.54 | asg | satyap: you'd be surprised what gets asked in here |
| 15:14.16 | redguy | chaica: tried google? http://www.proftpd.org/docs/faq/faq_full.html#AEN669 |
| 15:14.19 | satyap | asg: actually, i wouldn't |
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| 15:14.25 | satyap | dismayed, but not surprised |
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| 15:14.34 | pi_ | so who can help me with irssi? |
| 15:14.39 | satyap | note that i *wasn't* surprised by the ftp question |
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| 15:14.46 | quitte | is it possible to mount ftp archives in linux? |
| 15:14.48 | asg | pi_: the docs, the manpage, /msg dpkg ask |
| 15:14.51 | satyap | asg case in point ^ |
| 15:14.52 | asg | quitte: yes, with ftpfs |
| 15:15.00 | antgel | need to setup a basic internal web server. using sarge. is there any reason to stick with apache 1.0? |
| 15:15.06 | quitte | asg wow. that's great |
| 15:15.20 | antgel | as opposed to apache 2 that is |
| 15:15.21 | satyap | antgel: considering that it's old, no |
| 15:15.25 | satyap | oh |
| 15:15.27 | satyap | still, no |
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| 15:15.33 | stew | pi_: have you asked a question? |
| 15:15.44 | gridline | antgel, there's always a reason. What are you doing with it? |
| 15:16.01 | satyap | i hear apache2 sucks ass with php, but with php5 and all, i don't know |
| 15:16.06 | Spods | antgel: unless you use some specific module that hasn't been moved to apache2 |
| 15:16.10 | chaica | redguy: yes I found that, but it doesn't help me much, not a clue about how to cancel tls use, etc... |
| 15:16.11 | satyap | then again i don't do php :) |
| 15:16.16 | antgel | gridline: tomcat development. we've never done it before. |
| 15:16.18 | pi_ | well for example, in irssi, the channel name is my prompt |
| 15:16.23 | asg | satyap: since php5 isn't in debian, that's a moot point. |
| 15:16.31 | pi_ | I want to change my prompt, and I want the channel name displayed in the topic bar |
| 15:16.34 | StijnT | asg: php5 is in debian :) |
| 15:16.39 | satyap | it isn't? thought it was ::thinks:: oh, i guess not |
| 15:16.42 | Spods | like my ms free friday module, by far the most usefull thing in the way of apache modules |
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| 15:16.45 | pi_ | the topic bar should be <channame>: <topic> |
| 15:16.48 | CAiRO | hmm, why is linux so slow? i have the feeling my 1ghz athlon with 750 mb ram is slower than a p200 with 64mb ram and win98.. eg when i start firefox it takes 3 seconds |
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| 15:16.49 | satyap | then again maybe it's in unstable? |
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| 15:16.50 | s_ward | StijnT, it is? Cool :) |
| 15:16.55 | asg | StijnT: in sid, not stable. |
| 15:16.57 | gridline | I think it's safer, but 2 will probably nto be a problem |
| 15:17.01 | StijnT | s_ward: well sid is still debian :-) |
| 15:17.08 | quitte | asg it supports sftp,too? |
| 15:17.09 | StijnT | ehr |
| 15:17.13 | mudman | can I ask a dumb question without being killed? |
| 15:17.18 | asg | StijnT: but you wouldn't want to run a webserver on sid now, would you. |
| 15:17.18 | StijnT | asg: well sid is still debian :-) |
| 15:17.19 | s_ward | StijnT, I'm using sid at home, I might do some experimenting |
| 15:17.21 | asg | quitte: shfs |
| 15:17.27 | StijnT | asg: I'm using it |
| 15:17.35 | StijnT | together with mysql5 |
| 15:17.45 | StijnT | apache2/php5/mysql5 |
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| 15:17.47 | s_ward | ah, now I have postgresql 8 :) |
| 15:17.48 | antgel | CAiRO: use the source |
| 15:18.02 | asg | StijnT: fine for personal development. When you get into running large enterprise setups, you wouldn't want to run sid on net facing machines. |
| 15:18.09 | satyap | heh, i like mod_msff |
| 15:18.16 | StijnT | asg: true, I'm running sarge on those :-) |
| 15:18.17 | redguy | chaica: http://www.proftpd.org/docs/faq/faq_full.html#AEN669 ? generally one would seek information on a certain program on it's official webpage (in this case http://www.proftpd.org) |
| 15:18.19 | satyap | the concept, i mean |
| 15:18.21 | CAiRO | antgel: you mean it will help if i recompile firefox on my box? |
| 15:18.23 | stew | pi_: and what problems are you having with changing your prompt? should be straightforward |
| 15:18.29 | Spods | mudman: no question is dumb, ask away |
| 15:18.31 | mudman | as a developer from another distro, I want to open a deb file to see how debian installs something. Is this possible? |
| 15:18.32 | asg | satyap: better to just turn it into msfa |
| 15:18.40 | asg | mudman: dpkg -c <deb> |
| 15:18.50 | mudman | asg: thanks |
| 15:18.55 | mudman | Spods: thanks |
| 15:19.12 | antgel | CAiRO: no, i mean look in the kernel source and you can see why linux is so slow. :) |
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| 15:19.39 | CAiRO | antgel: without comparing it to how win98 does it i won't find out, will i? |
| 15:19.41 | StijnT | antgel: then make it faster |
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| 15:20.30 | quitte | why was kernel-image renamed in linux-image? |
| 15:20.35 | pi_ | stew.. well, i've changed it in my ~/.irss/default.theme |
| 15:20.38 | pi_ | changed this var |
| 15:20.44 | asg | quitte: the linux-image is for the 2.6.12 to fix the udev issue |
| 15:20.55 | Ronin | pi_: you tried #irssi, i hear they know a fair bit about it |
| 15:20.55 | pi_ | prompt = "> "; |
| 15:20.59 | pi_ | and it doesnt work. |
| 15:21.02 | antgel | StijnT: well of course |
| 15:21.10 | pi_ | ronin, im in that channel too. |
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| 15:21.25 | satyap | pi_: what does that have to do with debian? |
| 15:21.29 | quitte | asg never had any issues with udev, can you explain that in a little more detail, please? |
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| 15:21.50 | quitte | asg well except that video0 doesnt get symlinked to video |
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| 15:22.10 | asg | quitte: the new udev in sid will not work with kernels older than 2.6.12 |
| 15:22.13 | stew | pi_: afaik, you want to be editing config, not theme |
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| 15:22.27 | asg | quitte: at least that's the way I understand it, someone else may have some more info. |
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| 15:22.40 | quitte | asg ah ok. so now it depends on linux-image instead of kernel-image? |
| 15:22.42 | Spods | Atula: when do you receive the error, when you point Tiger's client at the samba server? |
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| 15:23.16 | asg | quitte: I don't know if udev has an explicit Depends but it won't work with the 2.6.11* kernel-images apparently. |
| 15:23.48 | asg | quitte: look for Marco D'Itri on planet.debian.org |
| 15:24.02 | stew | !depends udev |
| 15:24.08 | dpkg | udev: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libselinux1 (>= 1.24), hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-17), initscripts (>= 2.85-16), makedev (>= 2.3.1-77), sed (>= 3.95), lsb-base |
| 15:24.09 | billatq | Yeah, t doesn't have an explict depends, but installation will fail if you're not running 2.6.12 or higher |
| 15:24.17 | s_ward | asg, quitte, the udev pre-install sorts it |
| 15:24.25 | stew | it doesn't depend, but it is mentioned in the long package description |
| 15:24.27 | billatq | I had the stupid thing fail on me while doing a dist-upgrade a few days ago |
| 15:24.35 | antgel | can't believe when i try to install tomcat, it wants to install all types of crap, xlibs etc. typical java bloat wank. |
| 15:24.43 | billatq | stew: Well, not as if that's broken :) |
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| 15:24.58 | Spods | antgel: graphic description :) |
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| 15:25.25 | billatq | That's like designing the ignition switch on a car such that if you go too far, the car explodes |
| 15:25.31 | snail | antgel: i think you'll find that the problem is that GUI java and GUI-less java are not seperated out |
| 15:25.39 | billatq | And then claiming that there was a long description about that "feature" in the manual |
| 15:25.46 | goccia | today i've tryed a 2.6.12 on sarge just to see but the sound died so i put back a 2.6.11 which is not too bad |
| 15:25.47 | stew | billatq: no udev works fine without a linux-image package installed |
| 15:25.47 | warty | I am having problems installing Sarge. The installation goes good but after booting into debian for the first time it locks up at: |
| 15:25.47 | warty | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.52 | stew | billatq: so it should not be a depends |
| 15:26.01 | billatq | stew: Well, the package fails to install |
| 15:26.16 | Lee__ | goccia: listening to WFMU with 2.6.12 right now. |
| 15:26.18 | stew | billatq: no it doesn't, it installs fine without a linux-image package installed |
| 15:26.24 | billatq | stew: So if the maintainer is going to set it to not install if it doesn't find a specific kernel, then it shouldn't do that |
| 15:26.28 | Lee__ | how did your sound die? |
| 15:26.28 | warty | Strange thing it installs no problem on this laptop with Ubuntu. I thought it was the same installer |
| 15:26.31 | billatq | stew: No, I tried it yesterday, it *didnt* |
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| 15:26.39 | asg | warty: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:26.39 | stew | billatq: what kernel were you running? |
| 15:26.44 | billatq | stew: 2.6.11 |
| 15:26.47 | goccia | Lee__: f* : tell me bros : i'm streaming nice ambient chillotut hust now :) |
| 15:26.51 | PerfDave | warty: It's the same installer, but it installs a different kernel :) |
| 15:26.54 | goccia | just* |
| 15:26.59 | billatq | I don't doubt that the functionality might have worked, but the package itself wouldn't install |
| 15:27.04 | stew | billatq: right it wont install with 2.6.11 it requires a 2.6.12 kernel |
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| 15:27.15 | antgel | snail: there was always going to be an annoying reason :) |
| 15:27.23 | stew | billatq: but it doesn't require that kernel to have come from a linux-image package |
| 15:27.34 | warty | thanks PerfDave and asg |
| 15:27.41 | billatq | stew: Okay, sure, but that breaks using dist-upgrade |
| 15:27.47 | stew | billatq: no it doesn't |
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| 15:27.59 | goccia | Lee__: 2.6.12 on sarge or sid ? |
| 15:28.04 | stew | goccia: sid |
| 15:28.07 | goccia | ahhhh |
| 15:28.09 | stew | oh |
| 15:28.10 | stew | nm me |
| 15:28.12 | Lee__ | goccia: did you use make-kpkg and the old config from /boot/config? |
| 15:28.15 | Lee__ | sarge |
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| 15:28.28 | billatq | stew: It broke the system on an upgrade, that's not The Right Thing |
| 15:28.36 | stew | billatq: what is the alternative? |
| 15:28.42 | meatwadd | would your settings on a harddrive jumper depend any on the motherboard? or is it soley the hd |
| 15:28.53 | goccia | Lee__: nope : i love to get apt doing the job :) |
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| 15:29.18 | billatq | stew: Have a dialog that says "this isn't going to install properly if you're not running this kernel revision and then refuse to start up |
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| 15:29.26 | joefso | I don't understand why Debian is not i686 optimised? I mean, it would work faster, right? Besides, older architectures are becoming obsolete... imho. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
| 15:29.35 | billatq | but don't make the package fail to install, then that screws things up |
| 15:29.42 | goccia | Lee__: like firefox1.0.6 a 2.6.11 kernel : all perfect so i wanted to see a 2.6.12 |
| 15:29.45 | Lee__ | goccia: you can. install make-kpkg and read the man page. use 'make oldconfig' in the new source directory and should will have a configured kernel that can be built into a .deb |
| 15:29.50 | asg | joefso: there is a libc6-686 optimized library that does most of the job. |
| 15:30.00 | PerfDave | joefso: If you're running i686 or better, you can have an optimised kernel and libc, anything else is pretty pointless. |
| 15:30.02 | antgel | chris (my colleague) just stated that java shouldn't even exist :) |
| 15:30.02 | billatq | Because chances are that it's going to fail in the middle of a dist-upgrade or something and then you have to clean up the mess of all the half-installed packages |
| 15:30.08 | stew | billatq: isn't the requirement checked in preinst? |
| 15:30.17 | PerfDave | joefso: Speaking as someone who runs Debian on various 486en and Pentia, I'm quite happy that it isn't 686-optimised :) |
| 15:30.23 | stew | billatq: there is no earlier place to check |
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| 15:30.32 | Spods | joefso: plus debian doesn't feel the need to abandon everyone else |
| 15:30.33 | stew | billatq: it CANNOT be a pacakge requirement |
| 15:30.33 | PerfDave | joefso: I know people who were pissed off when libc stopped supporting 386 processors :) |
| 15:30.40 | billatq | stew: It failed on installation |
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| 15:30.42 | asg | joefso: you are, of course, welcome to build and optimize the source packages yourself. |
| 15:30.46 | edison | Help what is the best way to start telnetd without inetd and all stuff of hosts.allow and hosts.deny ? |
| 15:30.56 | billatq | stew: Okay, so then don't make it a requirement, but have it install and then disable it on startup |
| 15:30.58 | PerfDave | edison: Why are you using telnetd and not sshd? |
| 15:31.09 | billatq | Then notify the user then, that seems like the sane thing to do |
| 15:31.12 | stew | billatq: file a wishlist bug |
| 15:31.13 | asg | and then without inetd and tcpwrappers |
| 15:31.20 | ictyl | is anyone else getting errors from ghostscript like "Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return code = -1" ? (on sid i386) |
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| 15:31.27 | asg | ictyl: check the bts |
| 15:31.30 | Angelo- | maybe he wants to run telnetd |
| 15:31.38 | stew | billatq: actually don't |
| 15:31.43 | edison | PerfDave, because i have to config an computer and the user don't know about linux |
| 15:31.43 | billatq | stew: I don't really care enough to :) |
| 15:31.56 | takatumi | how can I copy a file from my DSL router to another host? can telnet in, then what? |
| 15:31.58 | billatq | It's going to have to eventually be taken care of by someone |
| 15:31.59 | PerfDave | edison: Why does that require using telnet and not ssh? :) |
| 15:32.02 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Here for a while or leaving? I made a post... |
| 15:32.10 | stew | billatq: that woudln't work becuase then it would break all the packages that depend on udev |
| 15:32.11 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Putting my socks on! |
| 15:32.14 | Whisky_ | k :) |
| 15:32.23 | stew | billatq: why wouldn't you want to help? ugh |
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| 15:32.34 | gridline | takatumi, can't you also FTP or HTTp? |
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| 15:32.51 | billatq | stew: Mostly because I'm burnt out after work and don't want to work on fixing more bugs |
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| 15:33.02 | takatumi | gridline: neither available afaict, barebones busybox |
| 15:33.03 | asg | takatumi: telnet with binary io enabled. Use cat on the other side and redirect. |
| 15:33.14 | Sanhux | hello, can someone help me? I need a file from debian stable |
| 15:33.19 | takatumi | asg: will read. |
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| 15:33.31 | asg | Sanhux: packages.debian.org |
| 15:33.37 | stew | billatq: if you are just here to complain, bugger off |
| 15:33.37 | gridline | yuip thatseems to be your only chaoise then |
| 15:33.47 | asg | Sanhux: /msg dpkg search (if you don't know which package contains the file you need.) |
| 15:33.48 | billatq | stew: Nope, I'm not, I'm mentioning it in passing |
| 15:33.50 | asg | PerfDave: yeah |
| 15:33.54 | billatq | Since someone was talking about udev |
| 15:33.56 | goccia | telnet ? hahahah |
| 15:34.03 | takatumi | PerfDave: no ssh there. |
| 15:34.04 | goccia | can't believe it |
| 15:34.09 | takatumi | goccia: shut up. |
| 15:34.13 | goccia | takatumi: :) |
| 15:34.18 | PerfDave | takatumi: barebones is some provider of UML hosts, IIRC? |
| 15:34.23 | killer_st | helo. i've found i've installed debian sarge with kernel 2.4, but i need 2.6 kernel. is it easy to upgrade it, or it's better to reinstall? |
| 15:34.33 | asg | PerfDave: my UML hosts run sshd |
| 15:34.34 | PerfDave | killer_st: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 15:34.42 | PerfDave | killer_st: Install a kernel-image package :) |
| 15:34.43 | takatumi | PerfDave: I meant barebones literally, not as a brand. :) |
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| 15:34.51 | edison | Help what is the best way to start telnetd without inetd and all stuff of hosts.allow and hosts.deny ? (i don't need encryption) |
| 15:35.13 | asg | edison: type /usr/bin/telnetd or read the manpage |
| 15:35.15 | MrHart | how to install/run vmware in debian? |
| 15:35.18 | PerfDave | edison: Just use ssh, not only is it more secure, it's also just easier :) |
| 15:35.26 | takatumi | PerfDave: it's a dlink router/switch/firewall/dsl whateveryoumaywanttocallitthingy. |
| 15:35.27 | PerfDave | MrHart: Ask vmware, it's their commercial product ;) |
| 15:35.33 | Spods | argh! why wont sarge's rndc work?? |
| 15:35.52 | asg | Spods: did you chroot it? does rndc know about that fact? |
| 15:35.55 | Lee__ | MrHart: use your paid VMware support! |
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| 15:36.06 | MrHart | ok |
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| 15:36.12 | jetx | hey wtf is this incompatible libdevmapper in sid ? |
| 15:36.14 | asg | Spods: also, try #dns for other possible debugging hints |
| 15:36.17 | Whisky_ | i never figured how to exit man page :/ |
| 15:36.18 | Sanhux | I need one special file in a debian package, but im not using debian |
| 15:36.21 | asg | Whisky_: q |
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| 15:36.27 | goccia | takatumi: don't you like old wierd netcat ? |
| 15:36.28 | Lee__ | MrHart: it is possible. I used to at the old job. |
| 15:36.30 | jetx | q Whisky_ |
| 15:36.34 | Whisky_ | damn :| |
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| 15:36.35 | asg | Whisky_: depends on your $PAGER but 'q' is almost universal. |
| 15:36.39 | Spods | asg: no, i really don't want the use of rndc, i want dynamic dns updates from dhcp (for windows clients), but it seems the two are linked |
| 15:36.44 | Whisky_ | worked ;\ |
| 15:36.47 | PerfDave | Sanhux: Download the Debian package, unpack it with ar |
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| 15:37.18 | asg | Spods: ah, that's out of my sphere of knowledge. |
| 15:37.23 | Sanhux | what is ar? |
| 15:37.24 | Lee__ | Spods: djbdns does dyndns, as does bind9 AFAIK. |
| 15:37.25 | asg | !ar |
| 15:37.25 | dpkg | it has been said that ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils |
| 15:37.31 | Sanhux | !ar |
| 15:37.32 | jetx | hey wtf is this incompatible libdevmapper in sid and of course how do i fix it |
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| 15:37.42 | asg | jetx: check the fucking bts |
| 15:37.44 | PerfDave | jetx: Did you check the BTS? |
| 15:37.45 | ictyl | I looked in the bts under freetype, gs-common gs-esp and gs-gpl for anything that might be related to "Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return code = -1" and didn't see anything relevant. Are there other packages I should check? |
| 15:37.55 | jetx | fuck no i didn't! |
| 15:37.59 | Spods | Lee__: I'm tring to get bind9 to receive ddns updates from dhcpd3 |
| 15:38.13 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: go go go :p |
| 15:38.16 | FieldySnuts | apt: samir? |
| 15:38.16 | apt | Yes, I am also not a pussy. |
| 15:38.18 | jetx | does this mean it's in the bts? :p |
| 15:38.24 | FieldySnuts | eww, daemontools |
| 15:38.36 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a named war |
| 15:38.36 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 15:38.39 | FieldySnuts | :/ |
| 15:38.51 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: pwned ;p |
| 15:38.56 | FieldySnuts | feh |
| 15:38.58 | FieldySnuts | whatever |
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| 15:39.25 | Whisky_ | dpkg: Start an OS war |
| 15:39.26 | dpkg | MVS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 15:39.29 | Whisky_ | :p |
| 15:39.41 | Slippy | mvs? |
| 15:39.45 | Whisky_ | !mvs |
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| 15:39.57 | Whisky_ | hmm |
| 15:40.04 | Spods | Lee__: I'll check it out, but the documents online give the impression that this is pretty straigt forward stuff. it seems not so, and I'm not sure if that's because of bind9 or because of sarge's implementation of bind9 (at the moment I'm leaning towards the latter) |
| 15:40.10 | Slippy | the os on an amiga was workbench wasn't it? |
| 15:40.26 | Sanhux | what is the sintaxe to unpack an .deb file in shell with ar? |
| 15:40.28 | Slippy | I remember using workbench 3.1 or something |
| 15:40.31 | goccia | os ? real men use symbian :) |
| 15:40.33 | asg | Sanhux: ar x |
| 15:40.42 | PerfDave | Spods: IIRC there's some security flaw with using DDNS and DHCP. |
| 15:40.49 | satyap | goldurnit |
| 15:40.59 | Lee__ | Spods: ddns needs tight security cause it lets a 3rd party modify your DNS zones, which is a pretty big deal. |
| 15:41.06 | Spods | where's my jargon file when i need it, iirc? |
| 15:41.32 | asg | Spods: install dictd and the jargon dictionary. You'll never be without it. |
| 15:41.34 | Lee__ | Spods: en.wikipedia.org |
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| 15:41.50 | Lee__ | www.acronymfinder.com |
| 15:41.54 | Spods | Lee__: yeah i know, that's why i've dedicated an entire zone to the windows boxes |
| 15:41.56 | PerfDave | Spods: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/ ? :) |
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| 15:42.06 | Spods | cant trash my precious zone files then :) |
| 15:42.17 | satyap | alright, i did dh-make-perl... but where will i install the cgi scripts? |
| 15:42.28 | asg | Lee__: fsvo acronym, apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is acronym works just nicely. |
| 15:42.43 | mls | Spods: did you consider dhcp and static zones? |
| 15:42.45 | Spods | asg: is there a way to use the jargon file within ircii? |
| 15:43.06 | Spods | mls: well that's what I have now, and that's boring ;) |
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| 15:43.31 | mls | Spods: yeah, it sux to wake up the same computer you went to sleep with. ;-) |
| 15:43.39 | Lee__ | Spods: if you think it's sarge's version of bind9, trace the problem back and submit a bug report if you can. |
| 15:43.39 | asg | Spods: you could write an irssi plugin to query it |
| 15:44.16 | Lee__ | Spods: you did check the logs, right? |
| 15:44.28 | Spods | asg: sounds good, but I'll probably just get unlazy, do a double Ctrl + A and get back to a shell in my screen session hehehe |
| 15:44.58 | asg | Spods: or /exec /path/to/some/script that does the query also. |
| 15:45.13 | Spods | Lee__: when I restart bind it gives me:Stopping domain name service: namedrndc: connection to remote host closed |
| 15:45.23 | Spods | This may indicate that the remote server is using an older version of |
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| 15:45.33 | Spods | the command protocol, this host is not authorized to connect, |
| 15:45.40 | Spods | or the key is invalid. |
| 15:45.46 | jetx | in the nvidia one-liner factoid, what is m-a a-i nvidia ... i get the module-assitant is m-a... what is a-i |
| 15:46.03 | Spods | and in /var/log/syslog I get: bad auth, or something equally unhelpfull |
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| 15:46.11 | PerfDave | jetx: m-a is a shorthand for "module-assistant", a-i is shorthand for "auto-install". Just type it, it'll work. |
| 15:46.12 | Lee__ | you mat have to turn on more verbose logging. |
| 15:46.15 | Atula | there's a new samba release? |
| 15:46.16 | Lee__ | s/mat/may/ |
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| 15:46.55 | Spods | Atula: were you talking to me? |
| 15:47.10 | Atula | I'm using samba 3.0.14a-3. I'd like to install the lastest version.... without moving Debian into "testing" |
| 15:47.13 | Atula | how do I do that? |
| 15:47.14 | Lee__ | Spods: bad auth might mean you have a bad auth? |
| 15:47.16 | Whisky_ | who can have a look at my partitions and let me know if it is safe to install Windows on one of them ? |
| 15:47.24 | Atula | just download the file and install? |
| 15:47.25 | Lee__ | Whisky_: noone |
| 15:47.31 | Whisky_ | Lee__: why not :| |
| 15:47.49 | Lee__ | because you are a troll |
| 15:47.56 | Whisky_ | Lee__: ouch ? |
| 15:48.08 | Sanhux | Thanks people! |
| 15:48.17 | Spods | Lee__: it's possible if there's another location the rndc secret needs to be kept, but it's defined in named.conf.local and rndc.key |
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| 15:48.31 | Whisky_ | Lee__: How can you say that :s |
| 15:49.03 | PerfDave | Atula: /msg dpkg simple sid backpro |
| 15:49.03 | Spods | Atula: you can, or you can use pinning, which allows you to dist-upgrade to one release and selectivley install packages from another |
| 15:49.07 | PerfDave | Atula: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 15:49.43 | stew | Spods: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/bind9 |
| 15:49.45 | Lee__ | Spods: sorry, out of my league at this point. I haven't used keys with bind9. |
| 15:49.49 | stew | Spods: it will tell you how to fix it |
| 15:50.09 | satyap | oh i have to separate the libraries and the cgi scripts? |
| 15:50.12 | Whisky_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/328479 :: Can you please tell me if it's safe to install a copy of Windows on hda2 ? |
| 15:50.14 | satyap | make 2 separate debs? |
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| 15:50.23 | Spods | stew: pretty sure I had read all of those and come up with zilch, but i'll check again |
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| 15:50.47 | stew | Whisky_: what do you mean by safe? |
| 15:50.58 | on1009 | hi |
| 15:51.00 | jetx | thanks PerfDave |
| 15:51.04 | Whisky_ | stew: Meaning it wont screw up my Debian install ? |
| 15:51.08 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Installing Windows on your system will overwrite the MBR and you'll have to rescue it. |
| 15:51.19 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You can't install anything on hda2, you'll have to install it on hda5 |
| 15:51.37 | stew | Whisky_: hda5 is the partition you are looking for |
| 15:51.41 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: This means hda2's 10gb disk space is gone waste? :s |
| 15:51.43 | stew | hda2 is an extended partition |
| 15:51.57 | satyap | hda2 contains hda5 |
| 15:51.58 | stew | err logical rather |
| 15:51.59 | PerfDave | Whisky_: It's an extended partition. It's not wasted, it's providing space for hda5 |
| 15:51.59 | stew | hda2 contains hda5 |
| 15:52.05 | Whisky_ | ahh ok... |
| 15:52.10 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You appear to have a very weird hard drive layout, you're missing bits. |
| 15:52.17 | spoopin | asg: you there? |
| 15:52.18 | stew | i can never remember which is logical and which is extended |
| 15:52.43 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: It's all messed up :[ |
| 15:52.51 | jetx | the extended is a primary and holds the logical drive |
| 15:52.53 | stew | Whisky_: after you install windows you will have to follow the instructions in /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 15:52.54 | Lee__ | is SNMP insane, or is it just me? |
| 15:53.05 | kneet | Lee__, could be both - how can we tell? |
| 15:53.05 | PerfDave | Whisky_ appears to have about 70% of his hard drive wasted currently. |
| 15:53.09 | Whisky_ | stew: Ok.. |
| 15:53.11 | igge | anyone who knows how to set up printing in debian? I have my printer connected directly to the parallel port... don't even know where to begin.. :( |
| 15:53.19 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: It's a 60GB hdd and everything's a waste :/ |
| 15:53.20 | jetx | Whisky_: back everything up and low level format |
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| 15:53.33 | Lee__ | igge: go to linuxprinting.org |
| 15:53.42 | Whisky_ | k |
| 15:53.43 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Why do you want to dual-boot anyway? I thought you already had an XP machine? |
| 15:53.53 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: that belongs to my dad. |
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| 15:54.06 | PerfDave | Whisky_: So use your Debian machine and be happy ;) |
| 15:54.21 | PerfDave | Whisky_: Your machine is the network gateway, right? Will your Dad be happy about losing Internet connectivity when you reboot? :) |
| 15:54.21 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Everything's a mess with the networking, thats why :[ |
| 15:54.21 | quiron33 | pleas, anyone can tellme how to create a .img with a directory of file that I have??? |
| 15:54.29 | igge | Lee__: cheers |
| 15:54.36 | PerfDave | Whisky_: And you think that installing Windows on an Internet facing machine will *help* matters? |
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| 15:54.43 | Sonderblade | is there a way with apt to see which package provides a specified file? like rpmquery --whatprovides ? |
| 15:54.47 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: I thought so :/ |
| 15:54.50 | PerfDave | Sonderblade: dpkg -S |
| 15:54.56 | PerfDave | Whisky_: You're weird. |
| 15:55.01 | Whisky_ | Because like we don't even have an internet connection shared right now :\ |
| 15:55.06 | Lee__ | quiron33: you have to make a virtual filesystem and format it. |
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| 15:55.17 | Sonderblade | PerfDave, thanks |
| 15:55.21 | quiron33 | and how to do it? |
| 15:55.24 | stew | quiron33: what do you plan on doing with the .img? |
| 15:55.25 | Lee__ | there are good docs for doing so on the UML and Xen web sites. |
| 15:55.29 | asg | quiron33: if you want a cdrom iso image, try mkisofs |
| 15:55.40 | PerfDave | Whisky_: And you don't know what's wrong with your network, so you can't say whether installing Windows would help. |
| 15:55.55 | spoopin | asg: howdy |
| 15:55.58 | asg | spoopin: morning |
| 15:56.03 | Whisky_ | PerfDave: Maybe you could tell if you can have a look at my post? :] |
| 15:56.03 | PerfDave | Whisky_: If you've got a problem, try to fix it. Don't just start doing random weird shit that'll only make stuff worse. |
| 15:56.04 | spoopin | asg: things ok? |
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| 15:56.08 | Spods | gonna check out #dns, thanks for the suggestions all |
| 15:56.10 | quiron33 | Ihave the files of install disk of windows 3.1 and I want to install it with qemu |
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| 15:56.23 | PerfDave | Whisky_: I said I'd have a look at your post when I got back from the fucking shops, OK? Try asking someone else, or e-mailing debian-user. |
| 15:56.23 | antgel | perfdave: may i /msg you please? |
| 15:56.26 | PerfDave | antgel: No |
| 15:56.26 | asg | spoopin: yeah, should hear from Nance soon. You? |
| 15:56.37 | Whisky_ | errr ok |
| 15:56.47 | quiron33 | any ides pls!! |
| 15:56.56 | quiron33 | can tellme how to do it? |
| 15:57.00 | PerfDave | Whisky_: If you want to reclaim all your hard drive, I suggest backing up any important files, reinstalling from scratch, and telling Debian to use the entire drive. |
| 15:57.08 | stew | quiron33: put them on a floppy, then cp /dev/fd0 some.img |
| 15:57.11 | Whisky_ | k |
| 15:57.16 | spoopin | asg: alright. I have a tftp sparc image up on my box. you want me to blast your blade? |
| 15:57.33 | aeronadix | how do you extract files ending with bz2? |
| 15:57.40 | gridline | Whisky_, if you do install windows before liniz, thats makes things easier. |
| 15:57.42 | PerfDave | antgel: bunzip2 |
| 15:57.57 | asg | spoopin: if you wish and have nothing to do. Just get Mark or Jeff to get the box out of my office. |
| 15:57.58 | gridline | linux^ |
| 15:58.00 | PerfDave | Whoops |
| 15:58.03 | PerfDave | aeronadix: bunzip2 |
| 15:58.07 | quiron33 | stew, I don't have the floppy, I have the files of the floppy |
| 15:58.13 | aeronadix | PerfDave, thx |
| 15:58.33 | spoopin | asg: I might just do that. Email me any specific partition layout you'd like |
| 15:58.39 | Whisky_ | yup, but its not the case :s |
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| 15:59.07 | asg | spoopin: just make it similar to our production blades. |
| 15:59.09 | asg | spoopin: thanks |
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| 15:59.25 | spoopin | asg: there's not a lot of space in them.. maybe 15 gigs |
| 15:59.30 | MrHart | hmmm...vmware website does not bring me further... |
| 15:59.50 | spoopin | asg: I finally got into mine. Solaris sucks |
| 16:00.05 | asg | spoopin: right, just use ratios similar to the production layout. Or, if you wish, just make a /boot, /, and swap and leave the rest free and I'll move things later. |
| 16:00.07 | spoopin | asg: particularly without bash |
| 16:00.27 | asg | spoopin: yes, you can install bash from one of the v.8 discs or freesunsoftware.com |
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| 16:00.36 | stew | quiron33: dd if=/dev/zero of=some.img bs=1k count=1440 ; mkdosfs some.img ; mount -o loop -t msdos some.img /mnt ; cp -r dir /mnt ; umount /mnt |
| 16:00.40 | MrHart | spoopin: why is solaris not good.... I am planning to install it |
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| 16:00.58 | spoopin | MrHart: It's just uncomfortable for me. |
| 16:01.43 | MrHart | spoopin: why? isn't it logical? |
| 16:01.47 | spoopin | MrHart: like sleeping on the wrong side of the bed |
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| 16:02.28 | spoopin | MrHart: just many of the packages I'm used to aren't there by default... less, vim, bash, |
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| 16:02.40 | asg | spoopin: it's like trying to pick up change with an arm that's numb after you've slept on it all night, on the wrong side of the bed. |
| 16:02.46 | coywolf | The night before last, I did a dd if=bioboot of=/dev/hda6 while I was playing with the OpenBSD bootloader on my home desktop. http://kernelplanet.org/ |
| 16:03.18 | MrHart | spoopin: I understand, but are your prefered packages available to download and install it? |
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| 16:03.49 | coywolf | I may lost that filesystem with 12G data. |
| 16:04.06 | quiron33 | thanks alot stew!!! |
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| 16:04.11 | asg | MrHart: that and Sun's idea of delaying the replacement of known dying hardware is to patch the kernel so it doesn't oops. |
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| 16:04.15 | spoopin | MrHart: that's the plan, I've just not gotten started yet |
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| 16:04.28 | spoopin | asg: :) |
| 16:04.35 | Lur | hello |
| 16:04.47 | asg | spoopin: things still quiet at work? |
| 16:04.52 | warty | Still have the problem with Sarge installing on laptop... |
| 16:04.53 | aeronadix | what is /dev/rtc? |
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| 16:05.04 | warty | locks up at |
| 16:05.04 | warty | usbcore: registered new driver hub |
| 16:05.06 | asg | aeronadix: /msg dpkg rtc |
| 16:05.07 | satyap | so how do i make a package for a bunch of cgi scripts? |
| 16:05.32 | spoopin | asg: pretty much. Not too much going on, it seems. |
| 16:05.37 | asg | warty: does it happen if you remove all attached usb devices. |
| 16:05.40 | Lur | my debian box keeps freezing, and I have no idea why. |
| 16:05.46 | asg | spoopin: yeah, calm before the storm. |
| 16:05.47 | MrHart | spoopin: but Sun has now opened the source of the OS for the opensource community, sounds good to me |
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| 16:05.56 | warty | Then nothing. Did the 'skip foo' stuff. None attached asg |
| 16:06.14 | asg | warty: did you 'skip foo' with usbcore? |
| 16:06.23 | spoopin | MrHart: I think I'll withhold judgement for now. |
| 16:06.48 | edison | help when i do apt-get -f install i get msg : Dynamic MMap ran out of room ? |
| 16:06.49 | warty | I did the /msg **blackslist |
| 16:06.53 | MrHart | spoopin: ok, so than I better do not install it, right? |
| 16:06.57 | aeronadix | mplayer complains that it can't not read /dev/rtc, should I care? Does it make any difference, why does mplayer want to access the rtc? |
| 16:07.11 | aeronadix | asg, thx |
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| 16:07.18 | spoopin | MrHart: no reason not to, if you're curious about it. |
| 16:07.20 | asg | warty: erm, 'foo' is a variable term. replace 'foo' with 'usbcore' and other modules that are causing agro. |
| 16:07.36 | asg | edison: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 16:07.37 | MrHart | spoopin: ...actually...yes I am :-) |
| 16:07.40 | Moose | im running damn small linux and need help installing wine if anyone could help |
| 16:07.52 | spoopin | MrHart: then have at it. |
| 16:08.08 | warty | Doh! A variable term for... Understand now! |
| 16:08.11 | asg | Moose: this is #debian, not #damn-small-linux. apt-get install wine. Read /usr/share/doc/wine/* |
| 16:08.12 | warty | haha |
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| 16:08.29 | asg | warty: look in the jargon file for 'foo, bar, and baz' for historical notes. |
| 16:08.43 | aeronadix | actually I do care, cause rtc is used by mplayer to make sync of audio and sound |
| 16:08.52 | MrHart | spoopin: do you know if there exists an solaris live cd? |
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| 16:09.05 | asg | haha |
| 16:09.10 | MrHart | ..before my systems goes down.. |
| 16:09.12 | Lur | my debian box keeps freezing, and I have no idea why. |
| 16:09.17 | warty | fubar means something different in the military but this is a family channel. Thanks I will remember. |
| 16:09.22 | spoopin | MrHart: none that I know of.... |
| 16:09.23 | Lur | could anyone give me some adivce? |
| 16:09.24 | aeronadix | How can I make /dev/rtc readable by a user? |
| 16:09.26 | asg | Lur: anything in the logs? /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/syslog? |
| 16:09.34 | Lur | let me check |
| 16:09.44 | asg | Lur: what is it doing when it locks. Is it the same thing everytime or just randomly. |
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| 16:09.56 | Lur | kinda random |
| 16:10.02 | rg58sma | hii |
| 16:10.06 | rg58sma | wçgood day |
| 16:10.07 | Lur | just stops |
| 16:10.13 | Lur | I need to pull the power cord |
| 16:10.14 | rg58sma | i have a little problem with phpmyadmin |
| 16:10.18 | rg58sma | anyonecan helpme?? |
| 16:10.27 | asg | aeronadix: give it a new group, add the users that need access to the group. |
| 16:10.30 | asg | aeronadix: or use sudo |
| 16:10.33 | spoopin | asg: I'll catch you later.... |
| 16:10.36 | asg | spoopin: later |
| 16:10.49 | aeronadix | asg, I did chmod a+r /dev/rtc, let me see if it worked |
| 16:10.56 | rg58sma | anyone |
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| 16:10.57 | rg58sma | pleas |
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| 16:11.12 | mls | finally! an apt-get upgrade. i was going through withdrawal. |
| 16:11.18 | asg | !tell rg58sma about smart questions |
| 16:11.19 | edison | asg : does i add APT::Cache-Limit 12582912 at the end of the apt.conf file ? |
| 16:11.20 | aeronadix | asg, no it didn't work |
| 16:11.35 | takatumi | mls: sid? |
| 16:11.39 | rg58sma | when install phpmyadmin and try to run |
| 16:11.41 | mls | takatumi: yes |
| 16:11.44 | asg | edison: anywhere in there should be fine. |
| 16:11.46 | rg58sma | no have password |
| 16:11.48 | aeronadix | asg, how do I give it a new group? |
| 16:11.57 | edison | asg, ok |
| 16:12.00 | Lur | might be that this pc is a pile of crap |
| 16:12.03 | asg | aeronadix: well, first see if it runs as expected as root. |
| 16:12.04 | takatumi | mls: my fingers have been twitching, it's been a while. ;) |
| 16:12.11 | aeronadix | asg, ok |
| 16:12.18 | mls | takatumi: about two weeks, i think |
| 16:12.32 | asg | Lur: possibly. Are you using odd Nvidia or Ati drivers? Do you have a custom or debian kernel? |
| 16:12.49 | Lur | well, am using standard ncidia drivers |
| 16:12.57 | aeronadix | asg, yeah it works for root |
| 16:12.57 | Lur | and for kernel, I used apt-get |
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| 16:13.01 | rg58sma | asg |
| 16:13.04 | asg | Lur: if you can verify the temperature of the CPU(s), check it isn't too high. Also, run memtest86 to see if you have memory issues. |
| 16:13.24 | asg | rg58sma: did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin |
| 16:13.30 | Lur | how would I check cpu temp? |
| 16:13.42 | rg58sma | im spanish |
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| 16:13.55 | aeronadix | Im canadian |
| 16:14.06 | takatumi | Lur: with acpi? cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 16:14.11 | Lur | and in a prompt, memtest86 doesn't work |
| 16:14.15 | asg | rg58sma: then ask #debian-es |
| 16:14.34 | asg | Lur: you have to install it and reboot to test with it. |
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| 16:14.41 | Lur | ah |
| 16:14.44 | cn | what is the fastest program to open a .doc? |
| 16:14.50 | Jaggi | i got a problem, i have nothing but a site running and sql db, but my server says i've used over 50gb |
| 16:14.50 | asg | cn: antiword |
| 16:14.52 | Lur | cn, pico |
| 16:14.52 | neju | I'm on a debian 3.0 box and need to configure X for a new LCD monitor. The log file says: "Supported VESA Video Modes: ... 1280x1024@75Hz ..." and that resolution is what the monitor docs mention. But later it says "Searching for matching VESA mode(s):" and the best resolution it finds is 1024x768. |
| 16:15.03 | goccia | cn: catdoc |
| 16:15.05 | asg | cn: provided you mean a Microsoft Word file. Otherwise, cat. |
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| 16:15.40 | takatumi | goccia: didn't know that one. |
| 16:15.59 | goccia | takatumi: handy :) |
| 16:16.01 | neju | Then when I start gdm the monitor says the resolution is 640x350 ! What's wrong here? |
| 16:16.01 | MrHart | spoopin: looks to be available http://schillix.berlios.de/index.php?id=downloads |
| 16:16.02 | jfil | hi, anybody using gmx.net MAIL? it has stopped working for me today! do you have same problem? |
| 16:16.03 | Jaggi | i want to (but don't know how to) search for a file over a certain size |
| 16:16.08 | Lur | ok, installed memtest... |
| 16:16.08 | rg58sma | ok |
| 16:16.23 | Lur | do I need to install something for cpu temp? |
| 16:16.48 | cbgb | hi mates!! |
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| 16:17.03 | cbgb | is there any way to check if a kernel is gonna boot in a machine |
| 16:17.08 | cbgb | before rebooting it? |
| 16:17.16 | neju | Jaggi: run "man find" |
| 16:17.17 | cbgb | like a fake virtual machine |
| 16:17.24 | cbgb | or something like that? |
| 16:17.31 | takatumi | Lur: one more thing, check if you can ssh in while frozen, maybe it's just X. |
| 16:18.06 | Lur | hmm |
| 16:18.11 | Lur | I doubt it |
| 16:18.11 | edison | asg, i don't have /etc/apt/apt.conf but i have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debcon ? |
| 16:18.18 | neju | cbgb: Look into the "bochs" and "plex86" packages. |
| 16:18.19 | Lur | because even when I hit ctrl alt backspace |
| 16:18.25 | cbgb | yeah |
| 16:18.31 | cbgb | but that's another layer |
| 16:18.40 | cbgb | its not the proper hardware |
| 16:18.44 | takatumi | Lur: it could stop accepting keyboard input as well. |
| 16:18.57 | Lur | power button doesn't work either |
| 16:18.58 | cbgb | it's bochs virtually running |
| 16:19.03 | cbgb | in the running kernel |
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| 16:19.09 | takatumi | Lur: ah, then it's frozen cold. |
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| 16:19.25 | Lur | yup |
| 16:19.40 | warty | Now I get a :Locks Linux agpgart interface... |
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| 16:19.52 | Lur | I installed memtest. now what do I do? |
| 16:19.52 | neju | The only way I know of to check a kernel on specific hardware is to run it on that hardware. |
| 16:20.01 | FieldySnuts | read its docs |
| 16:20.02 | asg | edison: if you don't have a file, touch /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:20.17 | the_devious | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.20 | cbgb | thats the only way i know too |
| 16:20.23 | neju | I'm using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 16:20.26 | cbgb | but there must be some other |
| 16:20.37 | neju | -and it doesn't provide me with the right resolution to pick from. |
| 16:20.44 | cbgb | if i reboot and the machine get screwed up... |
| 16:20.53 | cbgb | im screwed as well |
| 16:20.55 | cbgb | :( |
| 16:21.00 | Lur | I recently added a wireless net card |
| 16:21.06 | Lur | which is about when it started to freeze |
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| 16:21.19 | neju | But /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 doesn't mention the debian resolutions, but instead the one I want. |
| 16:21.27 | takatumi | neju: you could manually edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as well, if all else fails. |
| 16:21.34 | asg | Lur: well, removing the card and seeing if symptoms quit is one way to troubleshoot. |
| 16:21.40 | Lur | then I stopped using it for a month. when I started using it again a few days ago, it seemed to be ok, but freezes a little |
| 16:21.44 | neju | -and the log file says the video card can support it; and the monitor docs says it can support it. So why do I end up with 640x350 ? |
| 16:21.57 | takatumi | Lur: tried another kernel? |
| 16:22.01 | Lur | it's been freezing less though. |
| 16:22.05 | Jaggi | thanks neju |
| 16:22.06 | Lur | not yet |
| 16:22.14 | takatumi | Lur: and which driver for the wireless? |
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| 16:22.22 | Lur | ndiswrapper |
| 16:22.29 | takatumi | Lur: bah. |
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| 16:22.34 | neju | cbgb: I always tell my boot loader to give me the option of booting an old working kernel, should the new one fail. |
| 16:22.41 | Lur | hey, it's got me online doesn't it? |
| 16:22.44 | Lur | lol |
| 16:23.01 | cbgb | neju: that's good when you have the machine next to you |
| 16:23.07 | cbgb | but not miles away |
| 16:23.09 | cbgb | :( |
| 16:23.22 | asg | Lur: well, see if there is a newer version of ndiswrapper. See if that fixes things. |
| 16:23.22 | neju | takatumi: I did, but didn't change anything, because it seems to list the correct resolution in the "Screen" section. |
| 16:23.36 | Lur | will I need to reconfigure everything? |
| 16:23.41 | Lur | or will apt do it? |
| 16:23.49 | asg | Lur: oh, are you using sarge? |
| 16:23.54 | Lur | yes |
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| 16:24.10 | Lur | that bad? |
| 16:24.20 | asg | Lur: then no standard newer version will go into sarge. You could get an upstream tarball and try that instead of the sarge package. |
| 16:24.29 | asg | Lur: again, that presumes ndiswrapper is the problem. |
| 16:24.42 | Lur | wait wait |
| 16:24.42 | PissedTrixBunny | I got samba 3.0.14a install on Debian. A tiger (mac) machine can't work, so now my boss is convince that I install the latest version of samba.... which is the 3.0.2r1.... I got the source code.... I'm "making" it.... so if in install this 3.02r1, what will happen? will it update the current 3.0.14 or will it be another seperate thing? |
| 16:24.44 | Lur | what? |
| 16:24.58 | neju | cbgb: I see the problem now. You need remote reboot capability. |
| 16:25.06 | cbgb | yes |
| 16:25.17 | asg | PissedTrixBunny: make sure you install non-debian compiled sources in /usr/local |
| 16:25.37 | Lur | I have a pentium 166 running debian and it never freezes.. |
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| 16:26.10 | PissedTrixBunny | asg, how do I do that? |
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| 16:27.14 | Kerr | Are there any half-decent forums excluding phpbb? I'm getting tired of the mountains of exploits :-/ |
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| 16:27.48 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 16:28.00 | TPC | whats a good media player that is included in the debian respitory and can handle most audio and video formats? the more lightweight the better. |
| 16:28.11 | Lur | what if I did a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:28.21 | TuxMeister | anybody uses streamtuner? do somebody know what are the options that sends to streamripper when record is selected? |
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| 16:28.40 | takatumi | TPC: /msg dpkg marillat (not an official debian repository though) |
| 16:28.52 | TPC | takatumi, I tried that |
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| 16:29.05 | TPC | takatumi, when I try to install mplayer it gives me dependency problems |
| 16:29.05 | asg | PissedTrixBunny: like most code, ./configure --prefix=/usr/local. Since you aren't comfortable, you should verify that the 3.0.14 sarge version is infact the problem. |
| 16:29.07 | Slippy | TuxMeister: think you're able to see that somewhere under Options of Preferences... |
| 16:29.10 | Marcion | hello, I just installed Debian on my parents computer (I am normally a Gentoo user but would not inflict that on anyone), I chose the wrong graphics card and gnome looks like s hit |
| 16:29.18 | linuxfreck | TPC: xine, apt-get install xine-ui |
| 16:29.18 | TPC | takatumi, they probably haven't adapted to the whole abi thing |
| 16:29.19 | FlopsyPete | is there a GUI package in Debian, preferably for GNOME, to edit existing PDF documents? |
| 16:29.21 | Marcion | how do I change it? |
| 16:29.23 | takatumi | TPC: ah. |
| 16:29.24 | asg | Marcion: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:29.33 | Marcion | without reinstalling prefably |
| 16:29.42 | TPC | linuxfreck, yes, but I would prefer something more lightweight |
| 16:29.54 | Aonelyn | quick, whats the command to shutdown xserver |
| 16:29.55 | Marcion | cheers asg I will give that a go |
| 16:29.57 | antgel | TPC: do you have any other unofficial things in sources.list? |
| 16:30.06 | linuxfreck | TPC: mplayer is not more lightweight than mplayer. |
| 16:30.07 | antgel | Aonelyn: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 16:30.08 | TPC | antgel, nope |
| 16:30.08 | Lur | well, I will just wait for a while and see when it freezes next and try to figure out if there is something in common each time |
| 16:30.12 | Aonelyn | thanks |
| 16:30.14 | Lur | thanks for the help |
| 16:30.22 | Kerr | TPC: i'm quite fond of kaffeine. (Xine based) |
| 16:30.28 | antgel | TPC: ok. that could have caused probs with marilliat |
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| 16:30.47 | TPC | Kerr, I don't like kde |
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| 16:30.50 | TPC | hmm.. |
| 16:30.54 | Tavy | KDE, yuck. |
| 16:30.54 | linuxfreck | TPC: there is also vlc |
| 16:30.54 | TPC | maybe I have to go with xine after all |
| 16:30.55 | takatumi | nothing comes close to mplayer for me. |
| 16:31.00 | r9704 | Basic question:: What is the status of USB WiFi devices? supported? any drivers? |
| 16:31.06 | FieldySnuts | generally not |
| 16:31.16 | Tavy | heh. |
| 16:31.19 | r9704 | How "generally" |
| 16:31.36 | TPC | linuxfreck, vlc won't install either on my system because of dependency problems, already tried |
| 16:31.55 | Tavy | Damn. |
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| 16:32.01 | Tavy | So use MPlayer? |
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| 16:32.06 | TPC | if I could find a better ui for xine than gxine or xine-ui it would be fine |
| 16:32.54 | TPC | hm.. is totem any good? |
| 16:32.59 | jermy | Is there an archive of debian packages, or is snapshot.debian.org the only source? |
| 16:33.08 | Aonelyn | ehh ..is there a command like terminate xserver, im trying to install an nvidia driver, and it still says xserver is running |
| 16:33.14 | Tavy | TPC: It works. |
| 16:33.22 | Tavy | Aonelyn: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 16:33.24 | TPC | I'll give it a try then |
| 16:33.26 | Tavy | ;) |
| 16:33.28 | Aonelyn | i did that |
| 16:33.36 | Aonelyn | and it still says the same thing |
| 16:33.44 | Aonelyn | its at the login screen when i do thsy |
| 16:33.46 | Aonelyn | that* |
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| 16:34.07 | takatumi | Aonelyn: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
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| 16:35.23 | Aonelyn | bleh sorry wrong channel |
| 16:35.24 | FlopsyPete | is there a GUI package in Debian, preferably for GNOME, to edit existing PDF documents? |
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| 16:35.35 | snail | jermy: is there a package in particular you're looking for? often-times the packages are retained by maintainers or reconsturctable from cvs |
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| 16:35.40 | dbernar1 | hey, is there a gnome applet for oprinting? |
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| 16:35.57 | kurtak | Hi Everyone- So i found an issue with not being able to compile some new sources, and saw online that the same problem seemed to be fixed with a different version of gcc. My question is: How can I use a specific version of gcc with make-kpkg?? |
| 16:36.06 | FieldySnuts | anyone know how the heck i center justify text vertically on a page in openoffice writer? |
| 16:36.13 | dbernar1 | nm, Ifound it. |
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| 16:36.41 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: nothing in the page setup, margins? |
| 16:36.45 | jermy | snail: I'm trying to get a copy of mozilla-livehttpheaders compatible with firebird - version 0.8-3 looks good - but it's quite an old build, and the upstream server is very slow today |
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| 16:36.53 | FieldySnuts | takatumi: not that i've seen, definately not obvious |
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| 16:37.44 | billy_ | exit |
| 16:37.45 | dbernar1 | do you guys know which cups package i want installed for printers? |
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| 16:38.26 | asg | dbernar1: /msg dpkg install cups |
| 16:38.33 | antgel | !tell dbernar1 about cups setup |
| 16:38.40 | Tavy | dpkg: Magic in more then one way. |
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| 16:39.15 | dbernar1 | great, thanks. |
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| 16:39.23 | gentgeen__ | is there a package to install the PHP PEAR ? |
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| 16:39.37 | dbernar1 | I tell it to install cupsys, and its installing samba...whatver, I have disk space... |
| 16:39.38 | Tavy | gentgeen__: try php-pear |
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| 16:40.03 | Tavy | dbernar1: if it installs samba, did you think it's a requirement? Just maybe. |
| 16:40.07 | asg | gentgeen__: or php4-pear |
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| 16:40.37 | dbernar1 | ya, prolly a requirement. |
| 16:40.48 | dbernar1 | haha, yeah, a dependecny. |
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| 16:41.05 | gentgeen__ | appologies, I ment the PHP PEAR modules (such as HTML_Common and HTML_QuickForm) |
| 16:41.09 | neju | This is so frustrating... The xserver says the card supports the right mode for my screen, the screen section lists that mode, but then when the xserver searches for matching modes it somehow chooses 640x350. Ugh. |
| 16:41.11 | rg58sma | anyone helpme |
| 16:41.11 | rg58sma | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.29 | dbernar1 | nice URL |
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| 16:41.38 | dbernar1 | I dont have that on localhost:) |
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| 16:42.56 | neju | Does anyone know what "DPMS" in X / monitor lingo means? |
| 16:43.09 | silverbb | can someone recommend an irc client. I don't like KSirc at all. |
| 16:43.14 | dbernar1 | my printer is not listed. I think it is supposed to bve installed as a epson stylus c80. |
| 16:43.29 | dbernar1 | rg58sma: your URL is broken, you pasted localhost as the computer name. |
| 16:43.31 | Slippy | neju: google > define: dpms |
| 16:43.38 | Rawplayer | silverbb: irssi/xchat |
| 16:43.41 | asg | !dpms |
| 16:43.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option"DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 16:43.47 | asg | silverbb: ^^^^ |
| 16:43.53 | rg58sma | dbernar1, r U |
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| 16:44.04 | rg58sma | dbernar1, ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 16:44.19 | dbernar1 | dunno nothing about sql yet... |
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| 16:44.29 | aeronadix | how do I do this setuid business? I want to make /dev/rtc accessible to regular users. |
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| 16:44.56 | neju | Thanks for the rtfm hints. ;-) |
| 16:45.19 | korhalf | i have a question about audacity, i figured thisd be the best place to ask |
| 16:45.24 | asg | aeronadix: 1) create a group (say rtc). 2) chown rtc /dev/rtc 3) adduser <user> rtc 4) logout and login. Also, using sudo is an option. |
| 16:45.29 | korhalf | it cant seem to find a playback device, or a recording device for tha tmatter |
| 16:45.35 | korhalf | therefore i cant properly edit this sound file that i have |
| 16:45.54 | gniretar | anyone here use hylafax? |
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| 16:45.55 | dbernar1 | so, any tips on finding my particular printer? I used ubuntu recently, and it had that printer listed in the list of printer drivers for epson. |
| 16:45.59 | stew | rg58sma: is mysql-server started? any errors in the mysql.err or mysql.log logfiles? |
| 16:46.11 | stew | rg58sma: does that socket seem to exist on the filesystem? |
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| 16:46.37 | aeronadix | asg, your the best! |
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| 16:47.00 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: right click on any of the buttons, customize -> format -> vert/horz justify. |
| 16:47.07 | asg | aeronadix: if you are using udev though, you probably have to edit another file for the group ownership to take over reboots. |
| 16:47.09 | antgel | (this was so predictable) have installed jre and tomcat4. /etc/init.d/tomcat4 restart starts tomcat but it exits with a message that i'm about to paste in #flood. |
| 16:47.46 | aeronadix | asg, ok |
| 16:47.58 | antgel | have looked in /usr/share/doc but nothing apparent so far |
| 16:48.08 | asg | antgel: you installed kaffee as the jre? |
| 16:48.19 | antgel | asg: yep, aptitude installed it |
| 16:48.24 | dbernar1 | ok, well, the printer can wauit. Thanks. |
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| 16:48.34 | korhalf | audacity is giving me output errors, what do i do? |
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| 16:48.43 | paulswm | Eew, I use Sun JDK |
| 16:48.54 | korhalf | error while opening output device, check the output settings, so i did |
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| 16:49.07 | korhalf | i cant even choose my device for playback, theres nothing in the menu |
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| 16:49.20 | asg | antgel: I'm not sure tomcat4 works with kaffee. Try using java-package (/msg dpkg install java) to use a Sun JRE. |
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| 16:49.47 | aeronadix | how do I create a new group? |
| 16:49.52 | asg | aeronadix: addgroup |
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| 16:50.03 | aeronadix | asg, thx |
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| 16:50.09 | antgel | asg: funnily enough, i did that, then realised that kaffe was a jre, so purged sun. |
| 16:50.12 | rg58sma | stew, |
| 16:50.12 | asg | aeronadix: in this case, addgroup --system is probably a good choice. |
| 16:50.27 | aeronadix | asg, thx a million |
| 16:50.34 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 16:51.42 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: that looks like a vaporware button, doesn't seem to be clickable, let me know if you manage to make it work. |
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| 16:52.01 | aeronadix | asg, chown rtc /dev/rtc doesn't work, chown is for users apparently not groups |
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| 16:52.50 | antgel | asg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314291 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316580 |
| 16:52.51 | asg | aeronadix: sorry, chgrp |
| 16:52.56 | antgel | should have checked first |
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| 16:53.04 | aeronadix | asg, thx again, I owe you large |
| 16:53.05 | asg | aeronadix: chown user:group would have worked |
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| 16:53.36 | takatumi | aeronadix: send some beer money to jackalopejack (sic?) |
| 16:53.57 | asg | takatumi: I haven't been there in a while :) |
| 16:54.07 | silverbb | not sure why but xchat gets stuck saying USER not enough parameters. :-/ |
| 16:54.11 | aeronadix | where is it located? |
| 16:54.35 | aeronadix | I would be happy to buys a few rounds and drunks with some Linux dudes |
| 16:55.09 | takatumi | !pubtime |
| 16:55.09 | dpkg | methinks pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
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| 16:55.33 | aeronadix | But I am from South Asia, so I don't know if you guys can keep with me, you will be sleepy while the table is full of cold pictures |
| 16:56.01 | rg58sma | stew, are here¿¿ |
| 16:56.05 | takatumi | aeronadix: where in SA? |
| 16:56.43 | kurtak | Easy Question: does make-kpkg use the gcc softlink in /usr/bin/?? |
| 16:57.00 | kurtak | well shit, i guess i could delete it and find out |
| 16:57.04 | nkuttler | kurtak: it uses what the Makefile tells it to use |
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| 16:57.11 | Anders | kurtak, use the CC environment variable |
| 16:57.12 | takatumi | kurtak: you can specify otherwise in te Makefile |
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| 16:57.21 | aeronadix | I am Canadian, but I am a South Asian, and I developed a healthy drinking habbit hangin out with the South Asians(East Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankins) |
| 16:57.22 | Anders | i think |
| 16:57.23 | kurtak | AH OK- cool |
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| 16:58.13 | aeronadix | takatumi, yeah, its better, don't drink, breaathee |
| 16:58.14 | nkuttler | kurtak: btw about removing that symlink, you may want to read man update-alternatives |
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| 16:58.42 | aeronadix | I have visited the drunk tank at least three times |
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| 16:59.08 | mls | takatumi: congratulations! |
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| 16:59.24 | takatumi | mls: :) |
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| 17:00.51 | Vladi | hi, i have php4-gd installed and when i do pear install Image_Color i get "'gd' PHP extension is not installed" |
| 17:01.06 | cmatheson | would having 100000 maildirs as a subdirectory of one folder be too ridiculous? |
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| 17:02.16 | aeronadix | asg, how do I do that sudo method you mentioned? Although I thinnk setuid would be the way to do it but I don't know how to do that either |
| 17:02.39 | kurtak | MMMM.... CC = $(CROSS_COMPILE)gcc, but there's nothing set for CROSS_COMPILE, i don't have it set in my environment, so how does it find gcc? it's probably figured out somewhere in makefile, eh? |
| 17:03.28 | takatumi | cmatheson: 'archivemail' once a while. |
| 17:03.37 | penguin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.37 | aeronadix | CC stands for Cross_Compile? I didn't know that? |
| 17:03.43 | cmatheson | takatumi: is that just backups? |
| 17:03.54 | penguin_ | What do the single quotes do here? |
| 17:04.25 | kurtak | aeronadix- i dont know if that's what it stands for, i just wrote what i saw in my makefile |
| 17:04.30 | penguin_ | Oops wrong chat |
| 17:04.33 | timo | aeronadix, it stands for C compiler |
| 17:04.50 | aeronadix | timo, yeah that right |
| 17:04.52 | takatumi | cmatheson: apt-cache show archivemail |
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| 17:05.03 | aeronadix | but it is famous for be a cross compiler |
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| 17:05.26 | cmatheson | takatumi: yeah i just ran that... if i compressed the maildirs though, would that be transparent to end users or would that interfere w/ their mail reading? |
| 17:05.26 | aeronadix | cc is the most widely used cross-compile of all time, and even still today |
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| 17:05.54 | takatumi | cmatheson: it'll be gzipped. |
| 17:06.11 | aeronadix | I've been trying to become a C programmer for ten years now, and I still have no power...yet |
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| 17:07.13 | cn | there is a debian way for wine? |
| 17:07.31 | cmatheson | takatumi: oh ok... i'll look into that. my main concern is i'm replacing the old mail server (it's an old mandrake box) w/ a debian box. we were running a script to create virtual users on the old setup that would make the new users maildir as a subdir of some random letter... that doesn't play nicely w/ my new system and i'm wondering if it's even necessary (why not just throw them all in one big directory is i guess my question)? |
| 17:07.54 | mls | aeronadix: i'll learn to program as soon as i find something that i can't do with #!/bin/sh |
| 17:08.06 | takatumi | cmatheson: you can filter by dates etc. for archival. read the docs before you screw up. :) |
| 17:08.23 | cmatheson | takatumi: haha, ok |
| 17:08.32 | shingouz | cmatheson: and try out the process on a scratch monkey |
| 17:08.34 | aeronadix | mls, what about systems design |
| 17:08.46 | kurtak | Has anyone here updated from 2.6.8.x to 2.6.12.x |
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| 17:08.54 | cmatheson | shingouz: good call |
| 17:08.55 | aeronadix | mls, what about the device drivers, and the linux kernel, and IP stacks |
| 17:08.58 | yille|afk | need some help with debian netinstall |
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| 17:08.59 | mls | aeronadix: s/i can't/i don't want to/ |
| 17:09.05 | shingouz | kurtak: and why the poll? |
| 17:09.30 | shingouz | cmatheson: live and learn. i have the scars to prove i do things the hard way :p |
| 17:09.35 | aeronadix | mls, what about svga graghics and solid modelling from scratch |
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| 17:09.55 | mls | aeronadix: all very nice things, but completely uninteresting to me. |
| 17:09.57 | antgel | aeronadix: that's party tricks, not programming :) |
| 17:10.06 | ke6isf | yille: What kind of help? |
| 17:10.13 | yille | it cant find my network card, doesnt have any drivers for the realtek 8139, what can I do? dont have floppy drive.. notebook |
| 17:10.25 | kurtak | shingouz: i can't compile the 2.6.12 - and i've seen similar problems online, but non of their suggestions work! |
| 17:10.28 | FieldySnuts | ~rube goldberg install |
| 17:10.28 | kurtak | i'm going crazy! |
| 17:10.30 | aeronadix | mpls, that else is there to programming, I just named everything, that means your not interested in programming entirely, accept for internet programming |
| 17:10.37 | dan2_ | hmm |
| 17:10.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: rube goldberg install? |
| 17:10.40 | ravenbird | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 17:10.40 | dan2_ | I'm hungr |
| 17:10.56 | shingouz | kurtak: and i will go crazy unless you tell us what the problem is so that we might be able to help |
| 17:11.08 | antgel | i like ravenbird. don't hear from her much, but what she says is quality. |
| 17:11.20 | mls | aeronadix: that's right. that's why it's been ~20 years in front of a computer, and i haven't gotten past "Hello, world!" |
| 17:11.27 | aeronadix | antgel, embed systems-the kernel, is a party trick, haha, everything else is party tricks in comparison |
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| 17:11.46 | takatumi | antgel: mostly the same dpkg database. |
| 17:11.50 | yille | anyone that can help me with debian install? it cant find my network card.. |
| 17:11.55 | aeronadix | mls, what do you mean? |
| 17:12.05 | ke6isf | yille: You might try just downloading the entire CD set? |
| 17:12.17 | goccia | kurtak: sid ? |
| 17:12.21 | antgel | takatumi: yeah but it's just something about the wasy she moves... |
| 17:12.26 | ke6isf | yille: Also, /msg dpkg laptop |
| 17:12.26 | antgel | i need to go home, i think |
| 17:12.28 | yille | alright, but I dont want the stable version.. |
| 17:12.33 | korhalf | can anyone help? im getting fast and choppy sound when using the playback in audacity |
| 17:12.33 | yille | does it still work? |
| 17:12.40 | mls | aeronadix: you know, the first program in any language. |
| 17:12.43 | ke6isf | yille: OK, then go download the version of CDs you want. |
| 17:12.43 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: gender? |
| 17:12.44 | takatumi | yille: tried 8139too? |
| 17:12.44 | ravenbird | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 17:12.47 | FieldySnuts | yikes |
| 17:13.05 | antgel | yille: are you sure there's no 8139 drivers in the netinst? i'd eat my hat |
| 17:13.07 | shingouz | !tell yille about realtek |
| 17:13.10 | asg | hermaphroditic porn, chicks with dicks that put mine to shame </clerks> |
| 17:13.12 | nkuttler | yille: yille can you modprobe 8139too? |
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| 17:13.16 | korhalf | !tell korhalf about audacity |
| 17:13.21 | yille | yes |
| 17:13.21 | shingouz | !tell yille about rtl8139 |
| 17:13.24 | FieldySnuts | ~samir |
| 17:13.24 | apt | No one is this country can ever pronounce my name right. It's not that hard: Nayee-Nanajar. Nayeenanajar. |
| 17:13.25 | yille | I am sure antgel |
| 17:13.31 | yille | there is 8169 |
| 17:13.37 | asg | aeronadix: apt-get install sudo ; man sudoers |
| 17:13.49 | yille | *using the 2005-08-02 netinst cd |
| 17:13.58 | aeronadix | mls, who so you are not interested in programming period. Programming is very exciting, you can make products simply by writing, only novelist can compare such a field |
| 17:14.02 | ke6isf | yille: Stable? Testing? Sid? |
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| 17:14.06 | takatumi | yille: modprobe 8319too |
| 17:14.10 | shingouz | yille: modprobe 8139too |
| 17:14.10 | aeronadix | asg, ok, I am off to it |
| 17:14.19 | yille | one sec |
| 17:14.23 | mls | aeronadix: heh, that's why i write fiction and poetry. ;-) |
| 17:14.36 | cougar` | Man |
| 17:14.44 | asg | mls: ode to a small lump of green putty I found in my armpit one midsummer morn? |
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| 17:14.51 | mls | hahaha! |
| 17:14.51 | cougar` | This channel was gettin' joined flooded last night |
| 17:14.57 | coywolf | what other tools like od? |
| 17:15.02 | coywolf | but on a hex basis |
| 17:15.04 | yille | alright.. that did work out. but only in the console mode, didnt have it in the list |
| 17:15.11 | takatumi | !nkuttler++ (you got it first, he just didn't see it.) |
| 17:15.14 | antgel | ravenbird: do me now? |
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| 17:15.25 | yille | thanx alot |
| 17:15.26 | asg | coywolf: apt-cache search hex editor |
| 17:15.29 | shingouz | yille: now the network shoudl work for the install |
| 17:15.30 | nkuttler | takatumi: :) |
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| 17:16.03 | goccia | i've never ever seen a bot thinking : ravembird does |
| 17:16.03 | kurtak | shingouz, goccia: sorry, i got distracted! so, it always fails when trying to compile drivers/char/drm/gamma* stuff |
| 17:16.05 | PissedTrixBunny | hi, I ran testparm smb.conf and received this error; "Can't find include file /etc/samba/dhcp.conf" |
| 17:16.09 | PissedTrixBunny | where do I get that file? |
| 17:16.18 | asg | PissedTrixBunny: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:16.26 | kurtak | I'm using Testing versoin |
| 17:16.35 | eXistenZ | Is qt3-apps-dev the main package for Qt3? |
| 17:16.43 | shingouz | kurtak: so do you need the drm shit? |
| 17:16.52 | asg | eXistenZ: /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
| 17:17.03 | takatumi | eXistenZ: what's with the qt3 main package, it's been a few hours now. |
| 17:17.12 | kurtak | Shingouz: there tons of stuff in there i don't know if i really need or not |
| 17:17.29 | goccia | kurtak: this morning i installed a 2.6.12 on sarge just to see : thi only thing screwed was the sound |
| 17:17.30 | shingouz | kurtak: so then why the hell are you compiling a custom kernel? |
| 17:17.31 | deadcat | should i upgrade my php4 to php5? |
| 17:17.31 | PissedTrixBunny | asg, I dont understand |
| 17:17.36 | PissedTrixBunny | hi, I ran testparm smb.conf and received this error; "Can't find include file /etc/samba/dhcp.conf" |
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| 17:17.48 | PissedTrixBunny | can someone explain to me the error? |
| 17:17.48 | takatumi | yille: add the module name to /etc/modules prior to the next reboot. |
| 17:17.52 | shingouz | PissedTrixBunny: do you have the file? |
| 17:17.57 | PissedTrixBunny | where to get that dhcp.conf |
| 17:17.59 | PissedTrixBunny | no |
| 17:18.00 | asg | PissedTrixBunny: then either use the search tools to find which package contains /etc/samba/dhcp.conf or read the samba documentation |
| 17:18.03 | kurtak | Shingouz: so that my laptop can sleep and so that i can build in realtime capabilities |
| 17:18.03 | ke6isf | deadcat: iyhtays |
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| 17:18.14 | asg | PissedTrixBunny: ask the folks in #samba also |
| 17:18.27 | deadcat | ke6isf: (= |
| 17:18.30 | kurtak | shingouz: and only these things can happen when i make my own kernel with a patch and a revised config file |
| 17:18.31 | asg | PissedTrixBunny: failing that, read 'Using Samba' at www.oreilly.com/openbook |
| 17:18.35 | shingouz | kurtak: wtf? realtime capabilities? you serious? why the hell would you like them? |
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| 17:19.01 | deadcat | ke6isf: i am gonna give it a try. if it blows up. i'll come back to hunt you down hehe |
| 17:19.12 | kurtak | shingouz: to use supercollider 'apt-cache search supercollider' if you need to see |
| 17:19.17 | Juggaloon | I dont know if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to find/use apxs (for apache 2.x), but I'm not sure where else the apache2 package might have put the file I need for it. Does anyone know what the next step is? |
| 17:19.26 | ke6isf | deadcat: Hey, no warranty |
| 17:19.35 | asg | Juggaloon: look for apxs2 (/msg dpkg search) |
| 17:19.56 | kurtak | shingouz: basically, to have low latency sound output with jackd |
| 17:19.57 | shingouz | kurtak: ok. you outgeeked me. i needed the realtime to run usb sound for voip on my too slow thinkpad |
| 17:20.09 | antgel | !outgeeked |
| 17:20.11 | deadcat | ke6isf: seems like i should upgrade apache to 2 as well. lots of packages i get(web related) has the apache2-.... to it. |
| 17:20.13 | takatumi | kurtak: sounds interesting. |
| 17:20.15 | kurtak | shingouz: so i need to patch my kernel for my thinkpad! |
| 17:20.38 | kurtak | b/c of the radeon not-going-all-the-way-to-sleep problem |
| 17:20.40 | ke6isf | deadcat: I'm running a2 over here with no trouble. |
| 17:20.46 | shingouz | kurtak: ah. you have one too... thinkpads sleep without the tpctl with apm. at least the older ones |
| 17:20.52 | Juggaloon | asg; danke, I'll try that...if it'll respond anyway... |
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| 17:21.07 | ke6isf | deadcat: Mind you, last time I upgraded from 1 to 2, I was still running Mandreck, and I still had to massage my config to make it compatible with real apache2. |
| 17:21.07 | asg | Juggaloon: well, the 'apt-file' utility is priceless when it comes to finding things in packages. |
| 17:21.13 | takatumi | kurtak: mine is a radeon as well. |
| 17:21.15 | shingouz | kurtak: are you absolutely sure you need the rt patches there? |
| 17:21.18 | ke6isf | deadcat: In short, be prepared to tinker with your configs. |
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| 17:21.37 | kurtak | takatumi: it is interesting- i had a lot of fun with it on my older mac |
| 17:21.49 | kurtak | shingouz: with acpi - yes |
| 17:21.53 | Juggaloon | asg; ah, didn't know that existed...i'll take a gander |
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| 17:22.46 | takatumi | kurtak: links? howto? |
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| 17:22.56 | deadcat | no php5-pear? or is that part of php5? |
| 17:22.58 | shingouz | kurtak: try a slightly different approach. 2.6.11 from kernel.org, patch the rt in there, add tpmodules, make-kpkg. worked for me but needed the vanilla sources. i am not sure if 2.6.12 is supported yet by the patches |
| 17:23.13 | asg | deadcat: php-pear in sid is the php5 version |
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| 17:23.25 | shingouz | kurtak: also make the sound irq soft |
| 17:23.39 | deadcat | asg: thanks. |
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| 17:23.57 | kurtak | shingouz: i struggled with 2.6.11 and had the same problems; that's why i went on to .12 now. Did you use a previous config file? |
| 17:24.07 | ke6isf | Hmm, wonder what's tying up all that space on my server... |
| 17:24.17 | ke6isf | Oh, it's me. |
| 17:24.27 | deadcat | asg: luckily i've been reading the debian weekly news else i would missed the php5 packages (= |
| 17:24.39 | shingouz | kurtak: no, i did a fresh config on it without an initrd. ide, ext2 and ext3 and piix static |
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| 17:25.06 | shingouz | kurtak: you need the vanilla sources, debian sources will not work with the huge rt patch |
| 17:25.08 | kurtak | takatumi: www.audiosynth.com |
| 17:25.39 | kurtak | shingouz: i got my sources from kernel.org too |
| 17:26.00 | shingouz | kurtak: drm is digital rigths management and you do not need the crap to the best of my knowledge |
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| 17:26.31 | kurtak | shingouz: i know what it stood for, but not sure if it was ok to take it out for any reason |
| 17:26.56 | shingouz | kurtak: the kernel oyu are planning is pretty hackish, you better do some serious rtfm before starting configuring the stuff. |
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| 17:27.15 | shingouz | kurtak: also be prepared to redo the kernel a few times |
| 17:27.32 | takatumi | kurtak: I would be interested in this more, 20:18:12 kurtak | Shingouz: so that my laptop can sleep and so that i can build in realtime capabilities, add to this the radeon-not-going-to-sleep-fully issue. |
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| 17:28.00 | kurtak | shingouz: that's why i just wanted to use my config file from 2.6.8 - so i didn't have to spend 2 hours answering tons of questions i don't always know about |
| 17:28.01 | _linuxAS_ | re |
| 17:28.07 | takatumi | kurtak: ignore it, if I'm rambling. :) |
| 17:28.19 | shingouz | takatumi: thinkpads use the smapi bios which is configured with tpmodules. custom kernel most of the time |
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| 17:28.47 | shingouz | kurtak: .8 and .11 are so far that the .8 config is a good base but you still have to go through everything there |
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| 17:29.24 | kurtak | shingouz: i've only gone through a fraction of all the config shit with make oldconfig |
| 17:29.27 | Vladi | hi, i have php4-gd installed and when i do pear install Image_Color i get "'gd' PHP extension is not installed" how can i get pear to recognize that i have php4-gd installed ? |
| 17:29.28 | shingouz | kurtak: trust me, i still have the scars from my last kernel :p |
| 17:29.31 | kurtak | like 20 min. versus an hour or so |
| 17:29.41 | takatumi | kurtak: start with a default .8 config, get the .12 vanilla source, run through the menus, done. |
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| 17:29.53 | shingouz | kurtak: true and that is why you have problems with it most of the times |
| 17:29.58 | kurtak | I guess it's worth a shot so far. i've been trying way to long to get it to work this way |
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| 17:30.22 | shingouz | kurtak: doing a full config on the kernel takes some serious time these days. longer than the actual compile |
| 17:30.22 | webdude | i set up postfix as an internet site and i get user unknown |
| 17:30.24 | shaya | stupid perl question |
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| 17:30.33 | shaya | how does one take a hash and convert it to a comma seperated list |
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| 17:31.10 | takatumi | shingouz: if you get one good .config through, you are 99% done, I'm on .12 now, this is almost the same config I had from .7 |
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| 17:31.27 | Havoc][ | hello |
| 17:31.34 | goccia | takatumi: nice to know :) |
| 17:31.39 | shingouz | takatumi: when you add the tpmodules and rt patches the config is from another planet |
| 17:31.54 | asg | shaya: any reason you haven't asked in #perl? |
| 17:32.13 | shaya | there's a #perl? |
| 17:32.14 | shaya | hmm |
| 17:32.17 | Havoc][ | had some trouble with fbsplash. At boot time, screen get black but progress bar is ok. |
| 17:32.20 | takatumi | shingouz: a couple more menus? can't be 300. |
| 17:32.23 | asg | shaya: with 361 people in it |
| 17:32.25 | Havoc][ | can someone help me? |
| 17:32.33 | kurtak | shingouz: Okay - I'll try this out tonight at home (just about to leave work), and i'll leave out drm |
| 17:32.42 | kurtak | shingouz: thanks much |
| 17:32.47 | azreal | !tell Havoc][ about ask |
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| 17:32.58 | azreal | oops, sorry |
| 17:32.59 | shingouz | takatumi: no, not totally different, just that there are a few very strange config options that have to be *just* right or the system bogs down |
| 17:33.06 | azreal | just wakeing up |
| 17:33.12 | Havoc][ | 19:32:12 <Havoc][> had some trouble with fbsplash. At boot time, screen get black but progress bar is ok. |
| 17:33.14 | Havoc][ | @ azreal |
| 17:33.21 | shingouz | kurtak: get some tylenol and jolt when you drive home |
| 17:33.23 | Havoc][ | Debian Etch kernel 2.6.12.3 |
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| 17:34.03 | takatumi | Havoc][: tried various vga=xxx settings? |
| 17:34.05 | kurtak | shingouz: thank god i dont need to drive home :) |
| 17:34.10 | shingouz | takatumi: try it for the hell of it and you see what i mean. using the old .config just does not work |
| 17:34.34 | shingouz | kurtak: hehehe. you need the caffeine and tylenol in anycase |
| 17:34.48 | takatumi | shingouz: I've had a few problems as well, live and learn. :) |
| 17:35.07 | shingouz | takatumi: and slurp caffeine /me installs some more |
| 17:35.26 | tionja | hello ,anyone knows where is the file "gtk+_2.0.pc"? |
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| 17:35.35 | Havoc][ | takatumi: yes.. |
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| 17:35.50 | shingouz | tionja: man locate, man find |
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| 17:35.53 | sly007 | Hello, how do I tell the kernel not to use bootp on startup? |
| 17:36.05 | takatumi | tionja: /msg dpkg search |
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| 17:36.16 | Havoc][ | takatumi: in verbose mode its correct. but not in silent mode. |
| 17:36.35 | ke6isf | Where would I find information on deciphering the output of apt-get update? |
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| 17:36.39 | tionja | locate and find doesn't work |
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| 17:36.56 | ke6isf | !doesn't work |
| 17:36.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:37.06 | mls | sly007: context, please |
| 17:37.10 | takatumi | ke6isf: is that a trick question? |
| 17:37.12 | shingouz | ke6isf: what do you mean with the deciphering? |
| 17:37.16 | Marcion | Hello, how do I add another language to my new Debian install? |
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| 17:37.28 | takatumi | !locales |
| 17:37.28 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 17:37.29 | shingouz | Marcion: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:37.38 | ke6isf | shingouz: The status information on the bottom of the screen, that's pretty much what I'm curious about. |
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| 17:37.44 | Marcion | thankyou everyone! |
| 17:38.03 | ke6isf | tatakumi: Um... mu. |
| 17:38.05 | shingouz | ke6isf: huh? apt-get update? |
| 17:38.35 | ke6isf | shingouz: Yeah, 'apt-get update'. As in it gets the update information if available from the servers. |
| 17:38.38 | sly007 | mls, I've got Linux installed on an Arm, by default when the bootloader executes the image, with no parameters, the kernel tries BOOTP requests, and I don't want this. I want it's IP to be 192.168.0.2 |
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| 17:39.11 | takatumi | ke6isf: tried man apt-get? |
| 17:39.21 | shingouz | ke6isf: bandwidth perhaps? i am really not sure what you mean with the information right now. i am not going to update right now |
| 17:39.43 | hab | has anybody have a printer canom smartbase MP360 o 370 ? |
| 17:39.45 | mls | sly007: you may want to check a forum for your PDA. it's probably not a Debian machine |
| 17:39.58 | shingouz | !tell hab about polls |
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| 17:40.00 | shingouz | !tell hab about ask |
| 17:40.15 | sly007 | mls, what is a Debian machine for you??? Do Debian assembles PC? |
| 17:40.29 | ke6isf | tatakumi: It gives a pointer, good enough. Thanks. |
| 17:40.30 | goccia | not yet |
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| 17:41.02 | tictac | hi, does anybody know of an issue with the sarge installer getting stuck when loading the ide-cdrom module? |
| 17:41.04 | mls | sly007: sorry, i mean to say that likely debian is probably not on your machine but a ROM filled with the manufacturer's custom linux distribution. |
| 17:41.30 | takatumi | sly007: man update-rc.d or try rcconf, disable bootp |
| 17:41.32 | sly007 | mls, sorry, it is Debian since I installed it. |
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| 17:41.55 | mls | sly007: sorry, i stand corrected. |
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| 17:42.48 | takatumi | !tell ke6isf -about nicktab |
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| 17:43.35 | mls | sly007: have you read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/ |
| 17:43.51 | Havoc][ | Nobody how knows something about fbsplash? |
| 17:43.54 | ke6isf | takatumi: Sorry, feeling slyghtli lysdexic today. =^^= |
| 17:44.10 | takatumi | ke6isf: ;) |
| 17:44.26 | takatumi | Havoc][: google might. |
| 17:44.40 | Havoc][ | takatumi: i used google - nothing. |
| 17:44.40 | rumpl | i just compiled a 2.6.12 kernel on my laptop, just to have system suspend :) now the trouble is that I don't have the beep. (echo -e "\a"),,, anyone knows how t ofix this/// |
| 17:44.43 | asg | Havoc][: /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 17:44.56 | takatumi | Havoc][: my hunch is try vga=792 or even 795 |
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| 17:45.04 | gb2312 | recently i got BADSIG when using synaptics to update (mirrors.rcn.net), is that sth temporary? |
| 17:45.38 | PissedTrixBunny | I did a make install with a package.... (did not use apt-get). Now I need to remove everything that I did.... how do I do that? |
| 17:45.56 | takatumi | gb2312: try another mirror, the hosts and hosting are in flux. |
| 17:45.59 | Havoc][ | asg: NOT Bootsplash! i have problems with fbsplash! |
| 17:46.06 | azreal | PissedTrixBunny: try make uninstall |
| 17:46.11 | gb2312 | takatumi: thanks, i'll wait:) |
| 17:46.23 | hab | shingouz my scaner not work |
| 17:46.23 | takatumi | gb2312: ftp.debian.org works here. |
| 17:46.29 | PissedTrixBunny | azreal, where? |
| 17:46.43 | hab | shingouz my scaner not work |
| 17:46.55 | hab | but the printer is ok |
| 17:46.58 | azreal | PissedTrixBunny: in the root of the source directory for whatever prog you installed. |
| 17:47.13 | hab | i dont know why ? |
| 17:47.14 | deadcat | asg: ah. php-pear is used for php5 instead of php5-pear |
| 17:47.28 | asg | deadcat: yeah, rather silly and confusing |
| 17:47.34 | takatumi | who can remember all these names? |
| 17:47.39 | shingouz | hab: nice. ask the frigging channel, not me. i am not an expert with those things |
| 17:47.43 | deadcat | asg: ya. since they have php4-pear. |
| 17:47.53 | asg | deadcat: indeed |
| 17:47.58 | azreal | PissedTrixBunny: if it says "no rule to make target" then your screwed, you will have to play around with doing a make install again, and redirect stdout to a file, and remove stuff by hand |
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| 17:48.28 | PissedTrixBunny | I went into the source folder where the configure/make files are and did it.... it worked... |
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| 17:48.55 | azreal | PissedTrixBunny: good |
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| 17:48.58 | shingouz | hab: /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 17:48.59 | hab | shingouz sorry |
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| 17:49.39 | hab | no |
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| 17:51.06 | shingouz | hab: no? |
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| 17:51.25 | takatumi | are the nickcolors in irssi random |
| 17:51.32 | takatumi | ? |
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| 17:51.49 | PissedTrixBunny | I uninstall -purged samba... but there are still folder/ files with the name samba "/usr/share/samba" can I remove all of them? in /var? |
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| 17:52.08 | asuffield | you probably missed samba-common |
| 17:52.09 | Mark62756 | hellow everyone |
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| 17:52.37 | asg | takatumi: some nicks can be assigned different colors iirc. |
| 17:52.39 | Mark62756 | anyone know if its possible and how to make my hdparm command run at boot? |
| 17:52.47 | asg | Mark62756: /msg dpkg rc.boot |
| 17:52.51 | PissedTrixBunny | I uninstall -purged samba... but there are still folder/ files with the name samba "/usr/share/samba" can I remove all of them? in /var? |
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| 17:53.03 | asuffield | takatumi: never underestimate the ability of people to find patterns where there are none |
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| 17:53.19 | Mark62756 | thanks asg :) |
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| 17:53.29 | asg | asuffield: or sell said patterns found on toast on eBay |
| 17:53.31 | fuchsto | how can i open .deb files? |
| 17:53.37 | asg | fuchsto: ar(1) |
| 17:53.40 | takatumi | asg: this is the default elf theme, however I seem to be having the same colors for most regulars, for eg. yous is a light blue while asuffield's is dark blue, usually always. |
| 17:53.58 | takatumi | s/yous/yours |
| 17:54.06 | Mark62756 | asg: do i just put the command in the rc.boot file? |
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| 17:54.10 | keyes | hello |
| 17:54.18 | asg | takatumi: which elf theme? |
| 17:54.28 | keyes | does anyone can help me to configure sudo ? |
| 17:54.34 | asg | keyes: man sudoers |
| 17:54.41 | keyes | i've read |
| 17:54.41 | asg | keyes: there are lost of examples in there |
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| 17:54.48 | Rawplayer | keyes: visudo |
| 17:54.52 | fuchsto | asg: This results in a debian-binary |
| 17:54.52 | takatumi | asuffield: beautiful mind. |
| 17:54.57 | keyes | just to know if this is good rules : |
| 17:54.59 | asg | keyes: then look in /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples |
| 17:55.00 | keyes | Cmnd_Alias EXPRESSION = /usr/sbin/useradd *, /usr/sbin/userdel *, /usr/sbi$expression ALL= NOPASSWD: EXPRESSION |
| 17:55.14 | keyes | ooops no complete line |
| 17:55.35 | fuchsto | asg: i have to get a libsomething.a from a .deb archive ... has to be somewhere in it. |
| 17:56.08 | keyes | Cmnd_Alias EXPRESSION = /usr/sbin/useradd *, /usr/sbin/userdel *, /usr/sbin usermod *, /usr/bin/passwd * |
| 17:56.08 | keyes | expression ALL= NOPASSWD: EXPRESSION |
| 17:56.13 | D3v1L | ! marilat |
| 17:56.18 | D3v1L | ! marillat |
| 17:56.18 | dpkg | i guess marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 17:56.31 | asg | fuchsto: then use dpkg --unpack |
| 17:56.31 | shingouz | keyes: are you nuts? useradd and userdel with sudo and no password? |
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| 17:56.47 | rdiaz | ola |
| 17:56.51 | rdiaz | de donde eres |
| 17:56.56 | keyes | shingouz: it's for a script |
| 17:57.02 | Rickyx | How do I restore the menu structure of Debian. |
| 17:57.08 | shingouz | !es rdiaz |
| 17:57.09 | mage | hey is it possible to have su - su to something other than root? |
| 17:57.12 | shingouz | !es |
| 17:57.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:57.19 | Rickyx | I manually removed subfolders from the Debian menu :-( |
| 17:57.38 | asg | mage: su - user |
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| 17:57.49 | Lee__ | Mage man su, you can do all sorts of neat stuff. |
| 17:58.04 | mage | asg, I'm on a quest to rename the root account, and I was hoping I could change the "su -" behavior |
| 17:58.37 | shingouz | Rickyx: directories, not folders. i think there was something called "debian-directories" or somesuch |
| 17:58.39 | asg | mage: if you want to restrict who can su to root, look at /etc/pam.d/su (pam_group.so) |
| 17:58.41 | keyes | shingouz: the user expression have no shell and cannot be used by else other than the script |
| 17:58.52 | shingouz | Rickyx: debian-menu perhaps |
| 17:58.57 | asg | mage: er, pam_wheel.so |
| 17:59.02 | takatumi | asg: http://irssi.org/themes/elf.tgz (Electric Elf) |
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| 17:59.27 | shingouz | keyes: still.. looks correct with a quick glance. i am not a sudo expert though |
| 17:59.39 | Rickyx | shingouz: No, Under KDE you have many menues organized. And you have a grand daddy menu named Debian under which a-z of softwares are listed. I lost my Debian menu. Is it recoverable ? |
| 17:59.45 | keyes | thanks for your help |
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| 18:00.32 | sciron | does apt say that based on ident? |
| 18:00.51 | asg | takatumi: oh, I'm a nobody so he probably highlights me in light blue. He probably is acquainted with asuffield so he is in dark blue. |
| 18:00.54 | LoRez | sciron: yes |
| 18:01.00 | keyes | hum i would make imposible to run userdel root and useradd -u 0 ... |
| 18:01.13 | asg | takatumi: either that or I'm on some shit list for some reason ;) |
| 18:01.15 | LoRez | sciron: and iirc, that ident is +q |
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| 18:01.29 | shingouz | Rickyx: debian-menus i think it is. and when it comes to KDE... hehehe.... no frigging idea, i can barely tolerate xfce, anything more blingbling makes me vomit |
| 18:01.41 | sciron | LoRez> i don't leave 113 open, so if i understand correctly, shouldn't be an issue? |
| 18:01.52 | Frafra | hi all |
| 18:01.56 | takatumi | asg: no way, they are random colors, but it somehow gets associated with the nick. |
| 18:02.03 | mls | shingouz: i can't get beyond evilwm |
| 18:02.07 | LoRez | sciron: unless you report your name as root (which it will just believe and prepend with a ~) |
| 18:02.13 | shingouz | mls: olvm :p |
| 18:02.16 | asg | takatumi: maybe some regex, I don't know. Perhaps you could ask him next time he's on. |
| 18:02.17 | Frafra | what i must do for uninstall a corrupted package? |
| 18:02.20 | shingouz | olwm even |
| 18:02.30 | Rickyx | shingouz: I don't think it has got anything to do with KDE because that particular "Debian" menu is same regardless of which WM you use. |
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| 18:02.47 | sciron | oh, hah |
| 18:02.50 | sciron | gotcha |
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| 18:03.30 | shingouz | Rickyx: i do not know more. i think you said you want to have the debian menu back. debian-menu (or something in that style). man -k debian and go from there |
| 18:03.31 | goccia | yes ? |
| 18:03.40 | mls | shingouz: *shudder* |
| 18:03.51 | shingouz | mls: of course there is alwasy bash |
| 18:04.07 | Rickyx | shingouz: Thanks. I'll rightaway look into it. |
| 18:04.39 | asg | takatumi: he says in the README that the hilight regexes are pretty hairy and welcomes anyone who wants to fix them. |
| 18:05.19 | mops | how to purge my DNS cache please? |
| 18:05.38 | asg | mops: it depends on the cache. The manpage should tell you which signal does it. |
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| 18:05.43 | kurtak | See... any tips on mounting a usb card reader? |
| 18:05.45 | Phated | takatumi: Prolly ElectricElf's personal colours. You want to ask him about it. :) Or figure out how to edit them. :) |
| 18:05.48 | asg | kurtak: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 18:06.03 | mops | asg: I'm on workstation |
| 18:06.07 | goccia | this debian menu : i'm an light kde and i can't see this menu anymore :i remember it in woody |
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| 18:06.11 | mops | not server dns cache |
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| 18:06.37 | asg | mops: then if you aren't running a local cache, there isn't anything you can do. |
| 18:07.35 | mops | how can I know if I'm running a local cache? |
| 18:07.45 | mops | how to inspect it? |
| 18:08.12 | asg | mops: do you have nscd installed? |
| 18:08.38 | mops | dpkg -l nscd: no pkgs named nscd |
| 18:08.38 | dpkg | ii nscd: no pkgs named nscd 3.4-15.1 mops's private porn collection |
| 18:08.53 | asg | mops: check /etc/resolv.conf to see where the nameservers are pointing. check /etc/nsswitch.conf also |
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| 18:09.06 | mops | ok |
| 18:10.08 | mops | all remote IPs |
| 18:10.08 | asg | mops: there are a lot of other packages that will cache dns for various things to speed things up (squid, exim.) What problem are you trying to solve? |
| 18:11.00 | mops | this: |
| 18:11.08 | mops | I wrote host starchaser.x86.sk |
| 18:11.14 | mops | starchaser.x86.sk has address 147.175.168.25 |
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| 18:11.26 | mops | and then in my browser I typed starchaser.x86.sk |
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| 18:11.48 | mops | and the site is other's than on 147.175.168.25 |
| 18:11.54 | mls | shingouz: wget -O - www.shobe.org/mls.xwd | xwud |
| 18:12.01 | mops | so WHAT adress has starchaser.x86.sk? |
| 18:12.01 | asg | mops: well, from here, 147.175.168.25 is ns.x86.sk (193.87.45.24 is the ip for starchaser) |
| 18:12.11 | mops | yes, it is |
| 18:12.32 | asg | mops: do you have an entry in /etc/hosts? |
| 18:12.41 | shingouz | mls: ? |
| 18:12.46 | mops | where? |
| 18:12.56 | mops | on my home comp? |
| 18:12.56 | webdude | is php for debian now only installed for apache2 ? |
| 18:13.02 | mls | shingouz: screenshot of my laptop, in case you're interested. |
| 18:13.17 | asg | mops: /etc/hosts on your workstation. Entries in there generally override dns if your nsswitch.conf is configured as it is by default. |
| 18:13.21 | asg | webdude: no |
| 18:13.21 | sciron | webdude> no |
| 18:13.22 | pureone | webdude no |
| 18:13.22 | shingouz | ah |
| 18:13.24 | sciron | lol |
| 18:13.25 | mops | asg: NO |
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| 18:13.42 | pureone | apt-cache search php |
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| 18:13.50 | asg | mops: then what does 'dig starchaser.x86.sk' show for the TTL? |
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| 18:14.11 | kiu112 | hi, is it possible to apt-get packages while i am at the prompt of the debian installer ? i need the cryptsetup package, but there is no apt-get ? |
| 18:14.29 | eXistenZ | I am not sure how to make pnm2ppp work with HP Deskjet 710C |
| 18:14.32 | eXistenZ | can anyone help me |
| 18:14.36 | shingouz | mls: heh |
| 18:14.42 | mls | shingouz: :) |
| 18:14.44 | mops | nothing "TTL" here |
| 18:14.54 | webdude | asg: sciron pureone in /etc/php4 theres only a file for apache2 |
| 18:14.57 | asg | mops: second field in the ANSWER SECTION entry for starchaser |
| 18:15.05 | asg | webdude: then install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 18:15.10 | mops | 147.175.168.25 |
| 18:15.16 | mops | 60232 |
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| 18:15.24 | asg | mops: starchaser.x86.sk. 3442 IN A 193.87.45.24 |
| 18:15.31 | mops | starchaser.x86.sk. 60232 IN A 147.175.168.25 |
| 18:15.34 | mls | shingouz: unfortunately, three rows of pixels are wasted below my rxvt window. |
| 18:15.38 | webdude | asg: tx |
| 18:15.38 | mops | that's on my comp |
| 18:15.40 | asg | mops: woah |
| 18:15.57 | mops | how is this possible? |
| 18:16.17 | asg | mops: what server was used (Listed at the bottom of dig's output) |
| 18:16.35 | mops | and I'm trying to configure apache for virtualhosting, and starting to figuring out where is that fucking problem... |
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| 18:16.54 | mops | ns3.x86.sk. 52715 IN A 212.89.236.109 |
| 18:17.09 | asg | mops: well that's just stupid |
| 18:17.09 | mops | ;; SERVER: 217.23.240.134#53(217.23.240.134) |
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| 18:17.29 | mops | what is stupid? me? |
| 18:17.43 | asg | mops: no, ns and ns3 having different TTLs for the same A |
| 18:17.51 | asg | mops: is 217.23.240.134 your ip address? |
| 18:18.00 | mops | my workstation IP? |
| 18:18.08 | mops | noo |
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| 18:18.21 | asg | mops: yes, or, at least what your ISP is giving you on the outside |
| 18:18.23 | mops | ok, I must go, dinner is prepared |
| 18:18.40 | mops | wait! |
| 18:18.50 | mops | 217.23.240.134 is in my /etc/resolv.conf! |
| 18:19.01 | *** join/#debian zeedo (~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net) |
| 18:19.06 | mops | there is: nameserver 217.23.240.134 |
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| 18:19.12 | asg | mops: then that's your upstream NS I expect. |
| 18:19.15 | mops | nameserver 217.23.240.135 |
| 18:19.33 | mops | so error is on that server? |
| 18:19.46 | asg | mops: it is caching records much longer than the origin zone dns is. You'll just have to wait for 60232 seconds for your upstream to get a new updated record. |
| 18:20.04 | mops | fucking ISP! |
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| 18:20.33 | mops | asg: thanks a log! |
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| 18:20.36 | mops | a lot! :) |
| 18:20.39 | nebulous | \q |
| 18:20.40 | mops | bye all! |
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| 18:23.19 | Supaplex | what command do I use to install build dependencies for a specific source package? |
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| 18:23.34 | PerfDave | Supaplex: Read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages. apt-get install apt-howto |
| 18:23.40 | predius | Hello, I am in http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi and I see DD only and all. What do they mean by "Access: All"? |
| 18:23.51 | takatumi | Phated: you are bright pink btw. :) |
| 18:24.21 | michaeln | im trying to share a printer connected to my linux box - computers on my network can detect the printer, but it says the server for the printer does not have the corect printer driver installed |
| 18:24.24 | Phated | takatumi: Toldya. |
| 18:24.29 | Phated | ... I'm gonna kill EE. |
| 18:24.35 | asg | heh |
| 18:24.54 | Phated | I thought it was nvz that was doing funny colours, anyway. Heh. |
| 18:24.57 | gearry | I am thinking about diving into Debian packaging |
| 18:24.58 | asg | michaeln: read 'Using Samba' at oreily.com/openbook or samba.org (or install samba-doc) for solutions to that problem. |
| 18:25.04 | asg | gearry: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 18:25.33 | takatumi | Phated: I don't think there are nicks anywhere in the conf files, it's got to be something else, or I am seeing things. |
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| 18:25.55 | gearry | asg: thanks |
| 18:26.01 | TwistedEmotions | if on screen -list I have a screen listed and it sais... 30336.pts-0.138238 (Attached) but I am not actually attached to it how do I kill it? |
| 18:26.08 | gearry | I found some other docs too and am reading them |
| 18:26.08 | PerfDave | takatumi: Maybe it bases the colour on some transform of the nick in question? |
| 18:26.19 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: (Power|) detach it first |
| 18:26.19 | asg | takatumi: maybe he cache's dpkg's karma output and sets color accordingly. |
| 18:26.23 | scarynetworkguy | takatumi: You can set nicks and gender in the config file pink is the standard colour if you have told it someons is female. |
| 18:26.24 | takatumi | PerfDave: that's what I'm tending towards. |
| 18:26.32 | asg | s/he's/hes/ |
| 18:26.38 | gearry | Just thought I would see if anyone here had any insight or advice |
| 18:26.49 | takatumi | scarynetworkguy: this is the default theme, haven't edited it. |
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| 18:26.58 | scarynetworkguy | takatumi: Thus with the pink and blue. |
| 18:27.20 | Phated | takatumi: Ask him. |
| 18:27.26 | vick | Hello, i'm getting an error 'debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed' 'dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf-i18n-(blah).deb (-unpack): Verfication on package /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf-i18n-(blah).deb failed' when i try to do the command `apt-get clean && apt-get -f install`, Can someone help me out please ? |
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| 18:27.31 | asg | gearry: if the tarball uses ./configure and is relatively trivial and small, the new maintainer guide should be all you need. Packaging libraries, large packages, etc., can be difficult. |
| 18:27.34 | vick | I am using debian 3.1, stable. |
| 18:27.46 | Phated | takatumi: I'm fairly sure the pink is because I'm all girly, though. Same as debstats. |
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| 18:28.39 | pink1 | any recommendations for a multi-tabbed text editor for sarge? |
| 18:28.41 | takatumi | Phated: http://gpoppy.org/2005-08-03-212708_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 18:29.00 | Phated | ... I'm gonna kill EE. |
| 18:29.03 | pink1 | and something to play windows media video .wmv files |
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| 18:29.33 | Phated | takatumi: That's magenta. Not pink. |
| 18:29.40 | PerfDave | pink1: WMV on Linux is flakey at best. You can install w32codecs from marillat (assuming it's legal for you to do so), and if the WMVs in question don't work you're probably SOL :) |
| 18:30.15 | vick | Can someone help me out please ? Thanks in advance. |
| 18:30.18 | scarynetworkguy | takatumi: Ahh. I thought you were talking about somehting else. Sorry. |
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| 18:30.23 | pink1 | PerfDave: - thanks - I was afraid of that |
| 18:30.34 | asg | vick: /msg dpkg apt secure, though that is really a feature of apt > 0.6. Are you sure you are using sarge? |
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| 18:30.46 | tgop | hi all, need help! installed a whole lotta 'testing |
| 18:30.55 | pink1 | what about a multi-tabbed text editor? |
| 18:30.57 | vick | asg: i've been told that since i don't have apt-key then it's not apt secure |
| 18:31.05 | vick | asg: i am using debian 3.1, stable |
| 18:31.05 | gentooguy | does anyone know where I can get airmon.sh for debian? |
| 18:31.07 | tgop | sorry testing packages and now x won't start! |
| 18:31.08 | cddesjar | ok tgop |
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| 18:31.16 | sktrdie | is GNOME 2.10 releases? |
| 18:31.20 | PerfDave | vick: What's the output of "dpkg -l apt"? |
| 18:31.22 | sktrdie | It's not in apt-get for all I know |
| 18:31.38 | TwistedEmotions | tgop: did you use distrib upgrade or did you upgrade one by one? |
| 18:31.40 | vick | PerfDave: 0.5.28.6 |
| 18:31.40 | asg | vick: something to do with debsigs (or the lack of) perhaps? |
| 18:31.55 | tgop | i need a way to access apt-get or something so i can get the stable versions without x? |
| 18:32.09 | PerfDave | tgop: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 18:32.14 | TwistedEmotions | tgop: just change over to testing.. |
| 18:32.17 | vick | asg: Not sure, first time to use debian, but i've used other linux distributions |
| 18:32.18 | cddesjar | load up in telinit 3? |
| 18:32.23 | sktrdie | anyone? |
| 18:32.23 | tgop | i just upgraded everything at once, from synaptic "smart update" i think |
| 18:32.24 | PerfDave | tgop: Or reinstall Stable |
| 18:32.24 | cddesjar | or is it telinit 1 |
| 18:32.27 | stew | vick: have you tried a different mirror? |
| 18:32.37 | gentooguy | I have looked all over for the airmon.sh script and can't seem to find it |
| 18:32.39 | tgop | PerfDave: yes that is what i want to do |
| 18:32.40 | asg | vick: well, I've not seen that error on any of my sarge boxes. YOu might try a different mirror though. |
| 18:32.42 | gentooguy | anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:32.44 | TwistedEmotions | tgop: What is the problem with x? |
| 18:32.48 | vick | stew: i am using berkely |
| 18:32.53 | PerfDave | tgop: Then you'll need to reinstall from scratch, I'm afraid. |
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| 18:32.55 | asg | gentooguy: if it is in debian, apt-file search <foo> will find it |
| 18:32.58 | PerfDave | gentooguy: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:33.05 | shingouz | sktrdie: what do you mean "anyone"? that reminds me og my highs school history lessons |
| 18:33.06 | gentooguy | ok thanks I will give it a try |
| 18:33.16 | vick | stew: I added more mirros, but i didn't remove the old one from /etc/<not sure here>/sources.list or something |
| 18:33.16 | TwistedEmotions | !tell tgop about downgrade |
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| 18:33.27 | sktrdie | is GNOME 2.10 available in apt-get? |
| 18:33.31 | tgop | TwistedEmotion: the login screen comes up but I can't start KDE or gnome |
| 18:33.32 | stew | vick: remove the old ones, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:33.34 | vick | stew: So it still download from berkely now |
| 18:33.40 | sktrdie | shingouz: anyone as in if anyone knows |
| 18:33.42 | TwistedEmotions | tgop: what is the error? |
| 18:33.43 | stew | vick: then apt-get update |
| 18:33.45 | shingouz | sktrdie: apt-cache search and apt-cache show |
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| 18:33.53 | TwistedEmotions | tgop: be more specific.. |
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| 18:34.07 | sktrdie | shingouz: I don't think the version 2.10 is |
| 18:34.12 | sktrdie | shingouz: I am asking why |
| 18:34.15 | shingouz | sktrdie: this is not a high school and the "anyone?" is extremely annoying |
| 18:34.16 | tgop | TwistedEmotion: I'll take a look now... |
| 18:34.32 | sktrdie | its just a question |
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| 18:34.48 | shingouz | sktrdie: check what apt-cache show tells you |
| 18:35.29 | sktrdie | shingouz: its really wierd but I get as verison (64) |
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| 18:36.07 | asg | takatumi: irssi/scripts/autorun/nickcolor.pl (seems to be the culprit) |
| 18:36.11 | vick | stew: did that, and tried apt-get -f install and i got 'debconf depends debconf-i18n but is not installable or debconf-english but is not installable' then 'pkgProblemSolver: resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages' then 'unable to correct dependencies' |
| 18:36.16 | shingouz | sktrdie: i am not sure what you try. apt-cache search and apt-cache show the applicable packages |
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| 18:36.34 | cddesjar | anyone know if there is a bug or something with python2.3 |
| 18:36.47 | PerfDave | cddesjar: The BTS probably does :) |
| 18:36.53 | asg | cddesjar: the bts would. What problem are you having? |
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| 18:36.55 | cddesjar | lol |
| 18:37.00 | sktrdie | shingouz: I am looking for that particular version of GNOME... |
| 18:37.19 | cddesjar | well for some bizarre reason it's being held back when i aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 18:37.31 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Why do you think that's caused by a bug? |
| 18:37.33 | asg | cddesjar: what version of debian are you using? |
| 18:37.36 | vick | stew: Is this the way apt-get behaves usually ? |
| 18:37.41 | cddesjar | hmm, i don't know...i am using testing |
| 18:37.48 | cddesjar | i have apt-listbugs installed |
| 18:37.58 | shingouz | !info gnome sarge |
| 18:38.00 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (sarge), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 18:38.01 | cddesjar | maybe i just get it and read the bug report if there is one |
| 18:38.07 | PerfDave | cddesjar: man apt-get, read what it says about update, and see why you rpackage may be held back. |
| 18:38.10 | shingouz | !info gnome etch |
| 18:38.13 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (etch), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 18:38.15 | sktrdie | when I did apt-get install gnome later today, it installed the 2.8.3 :( |
| 18:38.16 | as13 | i wrote a dvd+r with dvd+rw-tool growisofs and the same drive cant read it, as if theres no toc. then i tried dvdrecord -fix and it mounted but after reload reverted to previous situation. the unit is nec 3540a. what can i do about this? |
| 18:38.18 | PerfDave | sktrdie: I think Gnome 2.10 is in unstable, it's not in stable, and may be in testing. But don't hold me to that, I don't use Gnome. |
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| 18:38.19 | asg | cddesjar: wait a few days. If that doesn't fix things, it might be time to check the bts. |
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| 18:38.27 | zOapWin | how can |
| 18:38.39 | asg | zOapWin: toucan |
| 18:38.49 | shingouz | sktrdie: you run either sarge or etch there. that is what sarge has and that is what will stay on sarge |
| 18:38.57 | zOapWin | how can I make a symdir, like ln -s is symlink? |
| 18:39.04 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Try "apt-get --simulate install python2.3", it should tell you why it's being held back. |
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| 18:39.05 | asg | zOapWin: yes, man ln |
| 18:39.06 | zOapWin | asg:) |
| 18:39.07 | stew | vick: what mirror are you using now? what is hte url? |
| 18:39.14 | zOapWin | asg, thanks |
| 18:39.21 | sktrdie | shingouz: I amr eally new, but I dont' even know the difference betwenn sarge and any other version |
| 18:39.23 | stew | vick: you might wanna for now just try ftp://ftp.us.debian.og/debian |
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| 18:39.37 | vick | stew: security.debian.org |
| 18:39.39 | shingouz | sktrdie: why do you need gnome 2.10 in the first place? |
| 18:39.57 | sktrdie | well, I've been loving GNOME so far, and just wanted to check out the new version |
| 18:40.16 | PerfDave | sktrdie: If you're a newbie, you want to stick with what you've got, really. |
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| 18:40.23 | cddesjar | when typing in ipython you get a segfault |
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| 18:40.29 | PerfDave | sktrdie: The version of Gnome you've got may not be the newest, but it's stable, and gets security updates. |
| 18:40.44 | stew | vick: security.debian.org is not a complete mirror |
| 18:40.46 | eXistenZ | what package includes the unrar utility? |
| 18:40.48 | sktrdie | PerfDave: I'm new in debian |
| 18:40.50 | asg | eXistenZ: unrar |
| 18:40.52 | cddesjar | bug #319192 |
| 18:40.52 | stew | vick: its just security updates |
| 18:40.53 | tgop | TwistedEmotion: ok, i am new so i'm going to explain this as best i can: after grub boots everything there is a whole lot of text messages, looks like a start-up script or something, there are a few warnings saying that I supplied wrong arguments to -depth which as i recall is an argument to xstart?? |
| 18:40.59 | shingouz | sktrdie: you have two ways to go. learn debian well enough to go with the buggy fresh off the press packages or live with the one you have now. if i were you, i'd stay with the one you have now |
| 18:41.00 | cddesjar | if anyone is interested |
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| 18:41.39 | cddesjar | i'll wait for a new python :) |
| 18:41.45 | vick | stew: changed to the mirror you told me about, got an error 'some index files failed to download , they have been ignored , or old ones used instead' |
| 18:41.46 | sktrdie | ok I will |
| 18:42.02 | eXistenZ | asg: what desktop environment do you use |
| 18:42.02 | shingouz | sktrdie: there is not that much more blingbling in the new version to warrant installing it. the latest version is also a bit buggy... not fun to play with it |
| 18:42.20 | croepha | what is a good multiplayer game for the console besides netris, mud, and dopewars ? |
| 18:42.23 | asg | eXistenZ: a very minimal fluxbox with a bunch of rxvts |
| 18:42.30 | eXistenZ | debian? |
| 18:42.40 | asg | eXistenZ: and also on OpenBSD |
| 18:42.44 | vick | stew: oh wait |
| 18:42.48 | vick | stew: figured out why |
| 18:43.24 | eXistenZ | asg: I got KDE here, it's quite heavy on computers |
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| 18:43.34 | asg | cddesjar: you could install the version from sid (get it from packages.debian.org) The bug report indicates that should fix things until it makes its way into etch. |
| 18:43.45 | vick | stew: no i don |
| 18:43.50 | vick | stew: no i don't know why* |
| 18:43.52 | asg | eXistenZ: yes. Some people like it, I prefer keyboard shortcuts to mouse usage. |
| 18:43.58 | vick | Why the hell is apt-get doing that ? |
| 18:44.03 | eXistenZ | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:44.03 | eXistenZ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 18:44.03 | eXistenZ | is only available from another source |
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| 18:44.15 | asg | eXistenZ: try rar from non-free then |
| 18:44.17 | Ronin | eXistenZ: its in unfree as i recall |
| 18:44.28 | Ronin | sorry non-free, where the hell did i get unfree from |
| 18:44.36 | asg | eXistenZ: /msg dpkg unrar |
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| 18:44.47 | BourneAgain1 | After I use apt-get install <new-kernal>, what do I do to add it as a boot option. Is there a script to automatically add it, that sort of stuff. |
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| 18:44.53 | BourneAgain1 | I think I can manually edit it. |
| 18:45.06 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: If you install a new kernel-image package, it will be added to your bootloader automatically. |
| 18:45.10 | shingouz | !kernal |
| 18:45.10 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 18:45.12 | asg | BourneAgain1: depending on your bootloader, it should have been added automatically |
| 18:45.15 | vick | stew: Are you still there ? |
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| 18:45.19 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: It was not :( |
| 18:45.20 | sktrdie | do you guys know how to change gdm theme? |
| 18:45.22 | asg | BourneAgain1: verify /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu list to be sure. |
| 18:45.23 | vick | Can someone help me out please ? |
| 18:45.29 | sktrdie | gdmsetup |
| 18:45.32 | sktrdie | found it |
| 18:45.46 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: Which version of Debian are you using? Which bootloader are you using? |
| 18:45.47 | alex____ | I am to download a driver and I have the choice between ia32 and ia64 and I can't remember what is mine |
| 18:45.48 | shingouz | vick: what problem do you have |
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| 18:46.02 | s_ward | vick, can you paste your source.lst into the paster? |
| 18:46.05 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: It was not added automatically after I install the new kernel. |
| 18:46.14 | asg | alex____: what processor do you use? |
| 18:46.15 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: Which version of Debian are you using? Which bootloader are you using? |
| 18:46.17 | marcelk | hi |
| 18:46.19 | shingouz | s_ward: sources.list |
| 18:46.22 | s_ward | vick, sources.list |
| 18:46.32 | s_ward | yes, I noticed a few characters got lost :) |
| 18:46.34 | vick | stew: i've changed it to pacific and now apt-get is updating |
| 18:46.36 | shingouz | :) |
| 18:46.37 | marcelk | how do I mount freebsd slices? I can only mount a default slice now |
| 18:46.37 | alex____ | asg: p4 |
| 18:46.40 | vick | s_ward: #flood |
| 18:46.47 | asg | alex____: then it's likely ia32 |
| 18:46.54 | alex____ | ok thanks |
| 18:47.24 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: Grub |
| 18:47.34 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 18:47.47 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: 2.4.something |
| 18:48.02 | shingouz | BourneAgain1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:48.08 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: Which version of *Debian*, not which version of the Linux kernel |
| 18:48.08 | ricksoft | Newbie to Debian (and x-chat!) - can someone let me know how to install a .deb file not in the default lists? |
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| 18:48.15 | PerfDave | ricksoft: man dpkg |
| 18:48.17 | Spec | If I wanted to rotate my X's orientation (xrandr -o left), is that something that needs to be supported by the graphics driver? |
| 18:48.20 | s_ward | vick, and they're working now? |
| 18:48.21 | ricksoft | Thanks. |
| 18:48.35 | vick | s_ward: they are updating, but that's not the main problem |
| 18:48.37 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: Ok, have to wait to finish adding a package, will run the command. |
| 18:48.53 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: It's very simple, how did you install Debian? |
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| 18:49.08 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: Using FAI |
| 18:49.11 | vick | s_ward: main problem is that i'm getting an error 'debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed' 'dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf-i18n-(blah).deb (-unpack): Verfication on package /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf-i18n-(blah).deb failed' when i try to do the command `apt-get clean && apt-get -f install`. |
| 18:49.30 | aktinos | tgop: apply this patch to /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh - http://rigel.gotdns.org/bootclean.sh.diff |
| 18:49.34 | shingouz | BourneAgain1: who did the FAI for you? |
| 18:49.50 | BourneAgain1 | shingouz: I set it up. Am learning about it. |
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| 18:50.23 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: Gah, you could have mentioned that you've done some weird-ass install. |
| 18:50.38 | asg | shingouz: clusters |
| 18:51.03 | Spec | thousands of installation of debian |
| 18:51.14 | shingouz | asg: yes i know. but the kernel-image question does not pan in that case |
| 18:51.19 | s_ward | vick, ok, saw that, I haven't seen the problem before though |
| 18:51.19 | asg | shingouz: true |
| 18:51.36 | shingouz | asg: fai *is* cool though |
| 18:51.44 | BourneAgain1 | shingouz: I am new to linux. Been using it for around 3 weeks now. |
| 18:51.57 | vick | s_ward: i've been trying to solve it for 2 days with assistance of people in here but didn't work everytime :( |
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| 18:52.07 | asg | shingouz: it is interesting, I'll grant you that. |
| 18:52.08 | kaktus | Hi! I finally managed to install GNOME on my comp! All my regards to chipdalf for that :) Anyhow....I'm kinda new to GNOME, so the things I need to clear up is: How do I activate NTFS-partitions in GNOME? How do I set up my wireless connection to internet? How do I start up Server X directly from the bootmanager instead of the console? |
| 18:52.11 | shingouz | BourneAgain1: but why the hell FAI? three weeks on linux and hacking on fai? that is advanced crap, man |
| 18:52.21 | vick | s_ward: plus i don't have much experience with debian, i've been told it have a very nice packaging system that's why i swithced |
| 18:52.24 | shingouz | asg: seen it in action? |
| 18:52.28 | BourneAgain1 | shingouz: You have to start somewhere. :) |
| 18:52.33 | Anthro | !start a de war |
| 18:52.43 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: Basically, Debian has a script called /sbin/update-grub which recreates your /boot/grub/menu.lst from settings in that file, and the kernels it has installed. If your /boot/grub/menu.lst doesn't look like something update-grub is expecting, or your /etc/kernel-img.conf doesn't mention update-grub, it won't work. |
| 18:52.46 | Anthro | !start a desktop war |
| 18:52.46 | dpkg | Be smart, use WindowMaker. |
| 18:52.48 | asg | shingouz: no |
| 18:52.49 | s_ward | vick, it is very nice, when it works, and it does work most of the time, honest :) |
| 18:53.06 | shingouz | BourneAgain1: you should really start learning how to install a new kernel with apt-get first. learn to walk before you try to run |
| 18:53.18 | shingouz | asg: it is very impressive |
| 18:53.31 | asg | vick: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2004/07/msg00293.html |
| 18:53.32 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: Thanks, I will add a hook to run that script after the update. |
| 18:53.33 | kaktus | Any help out there ot get? |
| 18:53.58 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: That hook should already be in place in /etc/kernel-img.conf which should be run every time you install a kernel-image package with apt-get. |
| 18:54.02 | mage | whoops I shouldn't have used debootstrap on my first install of debian :D |
| 18:54.04 | asg | shingouz: so I've heard. We prefer custom bootcd live-cds for our blades but our turnover isn't high enough to justify fai. |
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| 18:54.28 | shingouz | asg: livecd's? debian? |
| 18:54.46 | asg | shingouz: yeah, that then copy their contents, after any mods we want to make, to the boot disk. |
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| 18:54.58 | asg | shingouz: check out the bootcd package. It is simplicity itself. |
| 18:55.02 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: Thanks. Looking at it now. |
| 18:55.34 | shingouz | asg: cool, haven't thought of that. 15,000 packages and only 24 hours of time in a day you know |
| 18:55.40 | kaktus | Is it possible to mount NTFS-partitions in linux? |
| 18:55.51 | shingouz | !tell kaktus about ntfs |
| 18:55.52 | BourneAgain1 | kaktus: Yes |
| 18:55.55 | PerfDave | kaktus: It's possible to mount them read-only. Mounting them read-write is much harder. |
| 18:56.11 | shingouz | s/harder/suicidal |
| 18:56.23 | asg | shingouz: yeah, this allows us to have a base sarge image with a custom kernel and then do any odd tweaks and copy the lot to disk (takes maybe 5 minutes.) |
| 18:56.31 | marcelk | how do I mount freebsd partitions? |
| 18:56.36 | Anthro | shingouz: It isn't suicidal if you are using captiveNTFS. |
| 18:56.40 | shingouz | asg: fluckin' A :) |
| 18:56.49 | Anthro | marcelk: ufs |
| 18:56.50 | shingouz | ntfs is suicidal |
| 18:57.00 | paster | "PerfDave" at 82.69.130.94 pasted "Known good /etc/kernel-img.conf for BourneAgain1" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/444 |
| 18:57.02 | vick | shit |
| 18:57.03 | mage | !tell me about networking |
| 18:57.07 | vick | this is annoying |
| 18:57.18 | shingouz | mage: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 18:57.32 | asg | shingouz: there is a good howto at www.debian-administration.org. The nice thing is we can build images from custom kernels and debootstrapped setups, build custom isos in no time. |
| 18:57.57 | shingouz | asg: i get the feeling it is rtfm time for me again |
| 18:58.03 | s_ward | vick, ? Did you see the link asg gave? |
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| 18:58.15 | vick | s_ward which ? |
| 18:58.17 | asg | shingouz: it's so far at the top of my 'most useful package of the year' list |
| 18:58.18 | vick | about apt-secure ? |
| 18:58.27 | s_ward | vick, http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2004/07/msg00293.html |
| 18:58.41 | shingouz | asg: rtfm time as i said :) |
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| 18:58.44 | asg | heh |
| 18:59.23 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: Thanks, running update-grub worked. Looking at why it did not automagically add it now. |
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| 19:00.02 | kaktus | how can I set up my wireless connection in linux? |
| 19:00.14 | boise | hi |
| 19:00.55 | asg | kaktus: install wireless-tools ; man 7 wireless (once you have verified you have kernel support for your card loaded and working) |
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| 19:03.00 | kaktus | Where do I find these tools? I'm on a dualboot-machine, and I only have internet in windows so far |
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| 19:03.19 | asg | kaktus: packages.debian.org |
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| 19:03.39 | asg | kaktus: what wireless card do you have? |
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| 19:03.49 | Nom | Does anyone know how to configure PAM correctly with pam_ldap? I'm using "* sufficient pam_ldap.so" but the MOTD isn't displaying for users who connect on LDAP? |
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| 19:05.40 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: All I have in that file is do_boot_enable = no and do_initrd =Yes, am adding the hooks now. But what I am wondering is why they were not there in the first place. |
| 19:06.00 | Yokalosh | how can i get gnome 2.10 for sarge? |
| 19:06.04 | Yokalosh | is it possible? |
| 19:06.05 | vick | Just remove the debsig-verify package. It selfs it's own |
| 19:06.05 | vick | priority to standard while that's overriden on other arches. |
| 19:06.19 | vick | s_ward: how do i do that ? |
| 19:06.29 | vick | i tried with dpkg yesterday to do that i got 'it's not installed yet' |
| 19:06.31 | mage | hey this is interesting, I added a user and the password is in the passwd file, I'm used to shadow being enabled by default :) |
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| 19:06.56 | mage | !tell mage about shadow |
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| 19:07.02 | mage | !tell mage about shadow files |
| 19:07.11 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: I assume those are the postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub and postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
| 19:07.12 | shingouz | mage: msg dpkg |
| 19:07.39 | mage | well I'm used to coming in here asking a question and somebody does that, but that didn't work |
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| 19:08.06 | shingouz | mage: /msg dpkg listkeys shadow |
| 19:08.13 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: Thanks much. I looked for some information on this. It runs that everytime after install a package, is that correct. Not conditionally if it is a kernel package? |
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| 19:08.41 | s_ward | vick, if you're certain it's not installed, I have no idea, sorry |
| 19:08.55 | s_ward | vick, did the different mirrors give you the same error? |
| 19:09.05 | Yokalosh | i want gnome 2.10 in sarge.... |
| 19:09.18 | Yokalosh | would the one in unstable work? |
| 19:09.21 | jk | get ubuntu :P |
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| 19:09.37 | Yokalosh | lol but i like debian...... |
| 19:09.48 | shingouz | Yokalosh: not sure, it is your computer and pinning stuff from sid is not recommended |
| 19:09.54 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: Thanks a lot, that really helped. |
| 19:09.59 | s_ward | ah, ubuntu's just debian with a different skin :) |
| 19:10.07 | jk | Yokalosh: yeah well i run both, (ubuntu because of gnome), ubuntu is a _lot_ like debian |
| 19:10.10 | shingouz | s_ward: b/s |
| 19:10.19 | vick | s_ward: oh wait, debsig-verify is installed, debsig is not, Thanks a lot for your help :D, i'll try now to see if it works |
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| 19:10.38 | Yokalosh | i have no more hd space in my pc though and i have debian set up right now |
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| 19:10.47 | s_ward | s_ward, if you say so, I'm not going to argue about it |
| 19:10.54 | s_ward | shingouz, , if you say so, I'm not going to argue about it |
| 19:10.54 | mlc | Hi.. |
| 19:10.57 | vick | asg: Thanks a lot for the link |
| 19:11.00 | s_ward | talking to myself now :/ |
| 19:11.14 | shingouz | s_ward: heh. you need caffeine |
| 19:11.24 | s_ward | I need beer... |
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| 19:11.37 | mlc | Someone an idea where to discuss about the Debian.org website? |
| 19:11.50 | shingouz | s_ward: sounds good. then you can talk to yourself and not understand a word ;) |
| 19:12.10 | s_ward | shingouz, that's the idea :) |
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| 19:12.20 | pi_ | hello |
| 19:12.24 | pi_ | yo |
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| 19:12.49 | shingouz | pi_ and 817 people say hi to you. what do you think happens to the channel? |
| 19:12.56 | as13 | i wrote a dvd+r with dvd+rw-tool growisofs and the same drive cant read it, as if theres no toc. then i tried dvdrecord -fix and it mounted but after reload reverted to previous situation. the unit is nec 3540a. what can i do about this? |
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| 19:13.28 | CosmoDad | which package contains the 'rename' tool where you can rename files according to given perl-like regex? Can't find it |
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| 19:15.48 | kaktus | So, I read a bit about NTFS Resizeing, but is it necessary to resize a partition if I just want to read files on a NTFS partition? Wouldn't that lead to data loss? Is PartMan the right app to look for in debian if I want to access the NTFS partitons? |
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| 19:16.10 | pipeline | kaktus: Just reading files is easy and safe |
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| 19:16.23 | pipeline | kaktus: Doing anything else at all (writing, renaming, resizing) is dangerous and difficutl |
| 19:16.26 | shingouz | kaktus: man mount |
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| 19:16.38 | pipeline | kaktus: Load the NTFS driver with "modprobe ntfs" and then read the man page for "mount" and you're golden. |
| 19:16.43 | BourneAgain1 | shingouz: I did install a kernel using apt-get before I did this. Anyway, I have spent hours and hours studying this stuff now. It has been difficult for me. But I am making headway. I am in the process of today of putting a flowchart together of what FAI does and writing pseudocode documentation for the scripts. With a bunch of other documentation. |
| 19:16.52 | Sputn1k | After nvidia driver install everything works find, but when after install i make pc restart, x's don't work |
| 19:17.01 | CosmoDad | s_ward: I looked for packages containing a file `rename' but none seem to match... |
| 19:17.10 | rikva | When I mount my usbstick (sda1, vfat) it automagically mounts read-only. How can i fix this? i've never had this problem before... |
| 19:17.13 | shingouz | !beer BourneAgain1 |
| 19:17.15 | goccia | kaktus: you'll get data loss if you shrink xp to zero but that would be very very nice :) |
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| 19:17.33 | mage | rikva, its called automount i believe |
| 19:17.37 | drac | Sputn1k: Hmm, perhaps nvidia kernel module won't load automatically on boot? Try adding "nvidia" to /etc/modules. |
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| 19:17.48 | petemc | pipeline: extrapolating what is necessary for mounting ntfs from the mount page is a fairly arduous task |
| 19:18.19 | rikva | mage: what do you mean..? i use kde (or just the command mount) to mount |
| 19:18.29 | Sputn1k | drac: there is nvidia in /etc/modules |
| 19:18.43 | rumpl | rikva, look at the /etc/fstab file... |
| 19:18.46 | drac | Sputn1k: Ok then, ignore me. |
| 19:18.54 | Sputn1k | ;) |
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| 19:19.01 | BourneAgain1 | shingouz: This has been very tough on me. I realize now not answering the question about what version of debian was lame. I am new to this. Learning stuff everyday. There have been days when my brain felt like exploding. :( |
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| 19:19.06 | rikva | rumpl: i have it here, i didn't change anything, this problem is all of a sudden |
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| 19:19.51 | kaktus | should I write "modprobe ntfs" in the console? In GNOME? |
| 19:19.52 | rumpl | rikva, the line where you have /dev/sda1, in the options do you have "ro" or "rw"?? |
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| 19:20.13 | rikva | rumpl: nope |
| 19:20.14 | mlc | Nobody an idea where to discuss about the Debian.org website? |
| 19:20.16 | s_ward | CosmoDad, ah, I saw renameutils and guessed, incorrectly, that they might include it |
| 19:20.30 | rumpl | rikva, what does it say in options?? |
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| 19:21.07 | rikva | rumpl: options... sorry i don't get you |
| 19:21.08 | BourneAgain1 | shingnoz: I just found out why they did not automatically update grub.I will have to add a hook. The kernel is using SCSI device assignments vs. IDE. It changed for my SATA drive. |
| 19:21.17 | pi_ | Sorry |
| 19:21.26 | pi_ | Testing irssi theme |
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| 19:21.38 | Xytek_ | !lol |
| 19:21.38 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
| 19:21.38 | Ronin | pi_: doesnt affect us |
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| 19:21.53 | rumpl | rikva, you have the # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> on the top of the file no? |
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| 19:22.09 | rikva | rumpl: ah that. |
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| 19:22.14 | rumpl | yep |
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| 19:22.21 | rikva | rumpl: noauto,user,uid=1000,gid=100 |
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| 19:22.30 | cadu | hello boys, i've downloaded a source (libvorbis-aotuvb4) that has a debian folder...how can i use this source to build an actual .deb out ? |
| 19:22.31 | Spec | What should I do if I'm missing my "/dev/loop"? :p |
| 19:22.31 | rumpl | rikva, the column <options> should have rw,noauto.... |
| 19:22.38 | CosmoDad | s_ward: nevermind, I seem to have it on my system suddenly... suddenly, because I just upgraded my system and the perl package (includes rename) was upgraded the minute I needed rename.. |
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| 19:22.42 | s_ward | CosmoDad, mrename might do something like what you want, though by the looks not with Perl REs |
| 19:22.42 | rikva | rumpl: ok let me try that |
| 19:22.46 | kombi_ | what does this entry in auth.log mean: sshd: Failed none for <user> |
| 19:22.47 | rumpl | rikva, ok |
| 19:22.48 | BourneAgain1 | shingnoz: Well not update grub sorry, but did not have the hook there to run update-grub. |
| 19:22.58 | s_ward | CosmoDad, ok :) |
| 19:23.29 | rikva | rumpl: i still can't write only read |
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| 19:23.48 | bernouli | is it true that we can not set dont_fragment and more_fragments of ip header bit at the same time |
| 19:23.57 | rumpl | rikva, hmm... and what is the <type> ??? |
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| 19:24.06 | rikva | rumpl: vfat |
| 19:24.10 | smagy2 | hello folks, i am trying to compile some custom software and when i do a make i get the error "GXX 3.4 not found" would appreciate , if folks can help me look as to where that error is coming from |
| 19:24.14 | websdale | rikva:did you unmount it & remount it again? |
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| 19:24.26 | rikva | websdale: of course ;) |
| 19:24.27 | vick | asg: While i was doing apt-get update i got 'some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead', i've been getting this error message from like 3-4 mirrors now, including berkely, debian, kernel, pacific mirrors |
| 19:24.28 | cadu | how do i build .deb's out source packages? |
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| 19:24.48 | jim | cadu: extract, then... |
| 19:24.54 | jim | cd in there |
| 19:24.57 | pi_ | say something! |
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| 19:25.02 | jim | debian/rules clean |
| 19:25.08 | jim | debian/rules build |
| 19:25.11 | rikva | rumpl: when i mount as root, i can write :S |
| 19:25.12 | jim | debian/rules binary |
| 19:25.17 | jim | look in ... |
| 19:25.21 | jim | err |
| 19:25.23 | jim | look in .. |
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| 19:25.59 | alex____ | an nvidia installer ask for the kernel source tree to be installed, I have installed the linux-source and the linux-header but this is not what is required, any idea what should I installed ? |
| 19:26.10 | rumpl | rikva, in the options try to tyoe just rw,user,noauto |
| 19:26.25 | stew | rikva: man mount, you need the uid / umask settings |
| 19:27.00 | rikva | rumpl: still can't write |
| 19:27.13 | thingfish | alex____: did you unpack the source after you installed it? |
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| 19:27.39 | rumpl | rikva, where do you mount your usb? |
| 19:27.40 | cadu | jim: dh_testdir: Command Not Found |
| 19:27.40 | CosmoDad | I'm trying to copy some data off a cd-rom but it seems to be damaged and now the cp process hangs, even a kill -9 won't help. How can I abort this process without a hard reboot? |
| 19:27.43 | alex____ | thingfish: I did apt-get install |
| 19:27.47 | rikva | rumpl: /media/usb1 |
| 19:27.55 | cadu | jim: do i have to install some package to use these ? |
| 19:27.57 | eXistenZ | Does anyone has 5.1 Creative sound system speakers? |
| 19:28.01 | azreal | i wish that if any given shithead doesnt respond to his fucking car alarm in say, 10 minutes, then his car blows the fuck up! |
| 19:28.03 | BourneAgain1 | How do I get the update-grub script to work if my devices have changed? |
| 19:28.03 | jim | so you need to satisfy the build requirements for the package |
| 19:28.15 | stew | rikva: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 19:28.20 | rumpl | rikva, sorry, no more ideas... :( |
| 19:28.28 | thingfish | alex____: that's fine, but apt-get install kernel-source-etc just downloads it to /usr/src/some-bz2 file. |
| 19:28.32 | Spec | If I have "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y" in my kernel's config, shouldn't I have a "/dev/loop"? |
| 19:28.40 | thingfish | alex____: you have to unpack it yourself. |
| 19:28.44 | alex____ | thingfish: ok |
| 19:29.05 | rikva | rumpl: np thanks anyway. stew: gonna try that |
| 19:29.17 | mage | azreal, yes, and especially if its you :) |
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| 19:29.29 | jim | cadu: evidently one of that package's build requirements is debhelper |
| 19:29.40 | thingfish | alex____: are you using nvidia's installer? |
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| 19:30.15 | cadu | jim: i'll install it and try again |
| 19:30.17 | jim | take a look at debian/control |
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| 19:30.44 | thingfish | alex____: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
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| 19:31.05 | helpo | how do I install command line version of php? |
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| 19:31.40 | rghrd | Just remove the debsig-verify package. It selfs it's own |
| 19:31.40 | rghrd | priority to standard while that's overriden on other arches. |
| 19:31.40 | rghrd | Just remove the debsig-verify package. It selfs it's own |
| 19:31.40 | rghrd | priority to standard while that's overriden on other arches. |
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| 19:32.04 | rghrd | I am sorry i was trying to paste something else :( |
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| 19:32.21 | ssuse | lol |
| 19:32.26 | helpo | how do I install command line version of php in Debian? apt-cache search php4 doesn't list it. |
| 19:32.34 | ma3x | hello everybody |
| 19:32.37 | alex____ | sorry for the bad question but to untar a bz2, is it tar -xvjf ? |
| 19:32.45 | RogueDopple | man tar |
| 19:32.54 | thingfish | alex____: that'll work |
| 19:32.55 | jim | tan mar |
| 19:32.55 | sTone_heAd | alex____, try it |
| 19:32.56 | ma3x | does anybody know what process "fapd" is? |
| 19:33.14 | cadu | helpo: apt-get install php4-cli |
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| 19:33.29 | asg | ma3x: fapd or famd |
| 19:33.38 | tictac | hi, does anybody know of an issue with the sarge install disk stalling when it tries to load the ide-cd module? |
| 19:33.40 | ma3x | asg, I think famd |
| 19:33.41 | helpo | cadu: thanks! |
| 19:33.43 | CosmoDad | I'm trying to copy some data off a cd-rom but it seems to be damaged and now the cp process hangs, even a kill -9 won't help. How can I abort this process without a hard reboot? |
| 19:33.44 | asg | !famd |
| 19:33.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, famd is a component of Gnome that makes it difficult to unmount devices. |
| 19:33.49 | _metaperl | hello, I have a PCMCIA wireless card and I am not able to connect to the encrypted network at our house. Here is the result of trying ifup eth2: http://www.hcoop.net/~terry/tmp/wireless/day-2/session-2.txt |
| 19:33.54 | asg | ma3x: apt-cache show famd |
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| 19:34.02 | ralf | ma3x: is a file alteration utility |
| 19:34.04 | cadu | ahahah |
| 19:34.09 | ralf | pretty useless |
| 19:34.10 | cadu | difficult to umount devices |
| 19:34.11 | asg | ma3x: apt-cache show fam (rather) |
| 19:34.14 | stew | CosmoDad: kill the parent process? |
| 19:34.18 | ma3x | asg, ralf this process locks up my applications sometimes |
| 19:34.24 | ma3x | and it takes like %80 of cpu |
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| 19:34.38 | ralf | ma3x: install gamin an patch your kernel with inotify |
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| 19:34.52 | ralf | that will happen no more |
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| 19:35.25 | BourneAgain1 | tictac: THe SATA driver can block access to CD drive in installations from CD |
| 19:35.30 | ma3x | ralf, I don't know how to patch my kernel |
| 19:35.36 | BourneAgain1 | tictac: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 19:35.44 | ralf | ma3x: so keep famd |
| 19:36.01 | tictac | okay, how do i disable it? i basically let it do it's own thing |
| 19:36.32 | BourneAgain1 | tictac: The link I posted has a work around. |
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| 19:36.54 | tictac | awesome, is that also even if I am not using sata? |
| 19:36.56 | ma3x | ralf, Please tell me if I uninstall it, will I have problems? |
| 19:37.12 | ralf | ma3x: kde will run a little slower |
| 19:37.15 | ralf | but no problems |
| 19:37.19 | BourneAgain1 | tictac: Do you have an sata controller on the motherboard? |
| 19:37.20 | cadu | ma3x: take it off |
| 19:37.26 | CosmoDad | stew: you mean bash? |
| 19:37.33 | CosmoDad | stew: or even the tty or something? |
| 19:37.34 | ma3x | kde will run a little slower? |
| 19:37.34 | cadu | ma3x: take kde off too and use something like XFCE4 or WindowMaker, you won't regret :) |
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| 19:37.37 | ma3x | but why? |
| 19:37.43 | tictac | yep, I am pretty sure that wil work |
| 19:37.52 | tictac | can't try it atm but it sounds right |
| 19:37.53 | ma3x | nah, come on what's wrong with kde? |
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| 19:38.23 | pureone | !start a wm war |
| 19:38.23 | dpkg | fvwm95 sucks! |
| 19:38.31 | jim | cadu, take a look at debian/control |
| 19:38.32 | ralf | lol |
| 19:38.39 | ralf | ma3x: he was joking |
| 19:38.53 | ralf | he uses kde too |
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| 19:39.01 | ralf | even if he doesn't admit it |
| 19:39.03 | cadu | jim: i'm installing the packages :) i'm in a slow connection down here :) |
| 19:39.09 | cadu | ma3x: kde is bloated imho :) |
| 19:39.11 | cadu | !kde |
| 19:39.11 | dpkg | hmm... kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.1. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it to #debian-kde |
| 19:39.13 | PissedTrixBunny | hi, how do I make my debian machine have its own workgroup? |
| 19:39.16 | tictac | thanks Bourne, I'll give that a try, it sounds correct |
| 19:39.16 | ma3x | what is bloated? |
| 19:39.17 | ma3x | cool? |
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| 19:39.39 | cadu | BourneAgainShell Supremacy...man this movie rocks |
| 19:39.40 | cadu | ^^ |
| 19:39.52 | ralf | ma3x: bloated == use much ram, much cpu, much anything |
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| 19:40.04 | PissedTrixBunny | hi, how do I make my debian machine have its own workgroup? I know I can do it in samba's sm.conf.... but what about the whole machine.... will fixing workgroup = Name in smb.conf work? |
| 19:40.09 | Xytek_ | my kde isnt using that much ram. :o |
| 19:40.15 | Xytek_ | 88mb :D |
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| 19:40.29 | cadu | Xytek_: whoa |
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| 19:40.45 | ralf | i have 96MB ram and i use kde too |
| 19:40.46 | tictac | oooh, hang on, how do I get expert mode? So far I have just let it go ahead and do it's automatic thing. |
| 19:40.57 | PissedTrixBunny | can someone help. I'm really in a bind at wor here :) |
| 19:40.58 | Xytek_ | I have 2Gigs of ram... :x |
| 19:40.59 | PissedTrixBunny | hi, how do I make my debian machine have its own workgroup? I know I can do it in samba's sm.conf.... but what about the whole machine.... will fixing workgroup = Name in smb.conf work? |
| 19:41.02 | goccia | ma3x: 80% of cpu in kde it was arts/funny_beeps_sound_system i remeber |
| 19:41.05 | PissedTrixBunny | sorry about repost |
| 19:41.06 | asg | PissedTrixBunny: then ask #samba and stop repeating |
| 19:41.17 | ralf | goccia: arts is deprecated now |
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| 19:41.28 | ralf | goccia: we don't need it with alsa |
| 19:41.43 | PissedTrixBunny | asg, does debian machine register itself to a workgroup? like host/resolv? |
| 19:41.43 | pi_ | okay, thanks guys. |
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| 19:42.01 | cadu | ralf: whoa...96mb of ram and using kde? |
| 19:42.06 | goccia | ralf: i do not use it but enabling it it takes 80-90% for sure |
| 19:42.07 | ralf | sure |
| 19:42.15 | cadu | ralf: you would be safe with XFCe4...nice...easy...and clean |
| 19:42.19 | cadu | or better...WindowMaker |
| 19:42.19 | ma3x | what means %80 id ? |
| 19:42.19 | ralf | http://www.openjlab.org/sysinfo |
| 19:42.20 | cadu | rocks |
| 19:42.21 | ma3x | in top |
| 19:42.22 | asg | PissedTrixBunny: I don't use samba |
| 19:42.31 | Althaser | someone can tell me one emulator for neogeo ? please |
| 19:42.37 | cadu | Althaser: mame |
| 19:42.48 | asg | ma3x: 80% of the cpu is idle |
| 19:42.58 | cadu | Althaser: of course you own the original cabinets/arcades...of course... |
| 19:43.04 | ralf | my cpu is almost idle |
| 19:43.05 | cadu | *rawr* Ç:) |
| 19:43.10 | ralf | p3 600 celeron |
| 19:43.11 | goccia | ma3x: take off the tick somewhere in the f*(unny) control center and you'll see |
| 19:43.15 | cn | i have ctrl+c during configuration of wvdial how i can retry it? |
| 19:43.18 | Xytek_ | o_O |
| 19:43.21 | fuchsto | i have a .deb file, built for ARM-platforms here, and i want to extract a single file from it, on an x86 machine. This doesn't work with dpkg --unpack, as it expects the host to be an ARM. What else can i do? |
| 19:43.24 | cadu | cn: wvdialconf |
| 19:43.36 | cadu | fuchsto: --force ? |
| 19:43.37 | asg | fuchsto: ar x ; then look in the data.tar.gz file |
| 19:43.40 | ma3x | goccia, what's that tick? |
| 19:43.41 | ralf | fuchsto: dpkg -x XXX.deb . |
| 19:43.42 | Althaser | cadu where can i get it ? please |
| 19:43.44 | ma3x | how do i take it of? |
| 19:43.51 | cadu | Althaser: http://x.mame.net |
| 19:43.53 | predius | Hello, I am in http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi and I see DD only and all. What do they mean by "Access: All"? |
| 19:43.57 | cadu | Althaser: you'll have to compile it tho |
| 19:44.01 | fuchsto | okok, thanks, i'll try all this |
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| 19:44.35 | Althaser | cadu it works for debian-amd64 ?? |
| 19:45.12 | goccia | ma3x: control center> sound>sound system > []enable the sound system : try that |
| 19:45.54 | ralf | ma3x: and select ALSA as driver |
| 19:45.55 | ma3x | goccia, it is already enabled |
| 19:45.59 | ralf | no OSS or Auto |
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| 19:46.18 | ralf | no alsa? no party |
| 19:46.27 | asg | predius: ask on the d-d mailing list |
| 19:46.36 | goccia | ma3x: i suggest you disable it and check :) |
| 19:46.55 | ma3x | check what? |
| 19:46.58 | ma3x | the cpu usage? |
| 19:47.15 | eXistenZ | goccia: with normal mp3 files the center and the left/right speakers are supposed to work? |
| 19:47.16 | ralf | ma3x: what cpu have you? |
| 19:47.25 | predius | thanks, asg |
| 19:47.34 | eXistenZ | goccia: I got here only rear speakers working with the subwoofer |
| 19:47.56 | ma3x | ralf: Intel 4 2,3 GHz baby |
| 19:48.17 | ralf | ma3x: so don't bother and enable all |
| 19:48.33 | ma3x | but ralf, the sound is already enabled |
| 19:48.43 | ralf | keep it enabled |
| 19:48.47 | goccia | eXistenZ: check alsamixer |
| 19:48.50 | ralf | you can |
| 19:48.52 | ma3x | I don't recall, why did we get in talk about the sound? |
| 19:48.53 | Xytek_ | CPU Model: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GH Speed: 2411.962 MHz Cache: 512 KB ^_^ |
| 19:48.58 | ma3x | what brought this thema? |
| 19:49.35 | eXistenZ | goccia: all parts are turned on |
| 19:49.42 | ralf | bah |
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| 19:50.27 | goccia | so i must say : i use kde but i DO NOT LIKE IT : ands i use just a minimal (?) kde |
| 19:51.08 | goccia | i do not like stupid beeps and the all full bloather thing |
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| 19:51.21 | jim | ralf: he's been trolling since he first came here |
| 19:51.33 | ralf | jim: who? |
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| 19:51.48 | jim | yer buddy ma3x |
| 19:51.52 | ralf | ah |
| 19:52.14 | ma3x | jim, but I am being polite |
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| 19:52.31 | cadu | XFCE4 does a great desktop |
| 19:52.33 | eXistenZ | goccia: am I supposed to choose the option 'Full Duplex' in the Sound System tab in the control system? |
| 19:52.41 | cadu | simple/pretty and works |
| 19:52.51 | cadu | WindowMaker too but it's a bit purist for the masses taste :) |
| 19:53.25 | TwistedEmotions | How do you find a description of a certain running process... basically.. i have 130 running processes... is that way too many or what? |
| 19:53.26 | s_ward | What more could anyone want than twm? |
| 19:53.37 | greycat | !start a WM war |
| 19:53.38 | dpkg | emacs bites! |
| 19:53.41 | cahoot | goccia: one element of the 'bloat' is the option to disabled 'stupid beeps' |
| 19:53.56 | goccia | eXistenZ: i'm not a kde guru : i just use alsa and i have none of kde media apps installed |
| 19:54.06 | Yokalosh | why did gnome 2.10 get moved from sarge to unstable? |
| 19:54.12 | s_ward | I've heard emacs called lots of things... |
| 19:54.15 | goccia | cahoot: exaclty :) |
| 19:54.30 | greycat | Yokalosh: it was never in sarge. |
| 19:54.36 | streuner | Yokalosh: your question makes no sense |
| 19:54.43 | streuner | hm |
| 19:54.55 | goccia | cahoot: i like konqueror an konsole : that's all |
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| 19:54.57 | TwistedEmotions | If your running apache2 with a gui how many processes would you guys suspect is normal? |
| 19:55.15 | greycat | apache2 has no GUI |
| 19:55.15 | stew | 42 * fudge_factor |
| 19:55.29 | asg | TwistedEmotions: double it and add 30 |
| 19:55.30 | streuner | Yokalosh: what version of debian do you running actually? |
| 19:55.40 | Yokalosh | sarge |
| 19:55.44 | greycat | and it doesn't fucking matter because this is LINUX and it doesn't have a hard upper limit compiled into the kernel |
| 19:55.48 | Yokalosh | but apparently gnome 2.10 was in sarge |
| 19:55.53 | streuner | Yokalosh: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:55.56 | streuner | nope |
| 19:55.57 | TwistedEmotions | asg: double what add 30? |
| 19:55.57 | stew | Yokalosh: no it wasn't, ever |
| 19:55.59 | greycat | Yokalosh: 'twasn't. |
| 19:56.04 | Yokalosh | hmm |
| 19:56.05 | exobyte | I'm not sure what this is related to. The first time I dial out with my modem after boot, it hangs after ATZ (I've tried a few other things). Subsequent dials are fine and telling it to dial right after boot is fine |
| 19:56.12 | TwistedEmotions | asg: ;P your not funny is that was a joke.. |
| 19:56.21 | mage | normal fudge factor is like around 1: 1.282659 |
| 19:56.28 | cadu | greycat: whoa greyey is upset today :-) |
| 19:56.29 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: funnier than your question, that's for sure. |
| 19:56.31 | Yokalosh | thn my friend who got 2.10 on his sarge using apt was bulls*****g |
| 19:56.46 | greycat | Yokalosh: he got it from an UNOFFICIAL source, then. |
| 19:56.58 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: bahh... is 130 processes out of the norm is all I want to know ;( |
| 19:56.59 | asg | TwistedEmotions: asg@rob:/tmp$ sandbox ps aux | wc -l |
| 19:56.59 | asg | 849 |
| 19:57.00 | greycat | "using apt" is like saying "using the keyboard" |
| 19:57.12 | asg | TwistedEmotions: if you have more than that (a box with 10 uml instances), you have serious issues. |
| 19:57.12 | cadu | hahaha greyey |
| 19:57.31 | Yokalosh | lol but he claims to have got it from the ftp he installed sarge off........ |
| 19:57.43 | Yokalosh | weird |
| 19:57.55 | Yokalosh | would the gnome in unstable work with stable? |
| 19:58.03 | greycat | !flamethrower |
| 19:58.03 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 19:58.14 | greycat | (that still needs work, by the way) |
| 19:58.17 | stew | yeah |
| 19:58.22 | asg | greycat: do we have other weapons? |
| 19:58.25 | goccia | cahoot: anyway i'm running kde3.4.1 which is a bit faster than 3.3 : i respect any developpers/mantainers but i don't want to install all kde |
| 19:58.34 | TwistedEmotions | asg: ps aux | wc -l said 76... what does that mean... are those processes outside of what is required by debian to run? |
| 19:58.37 | jim | Yokalosh: then the question is, what ftp site would that be? |
| 19:58.41 | streuner | asg: /msg dpkg listkeys smite ;-) |
| 19:58.43 | greycat | asg: well, there's Scud. The dog who eats the toys. |
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| 19:58.54 | Yokalosh | jim: dunno i'll ask him when hes on msn |
| 19:59.07 | asg | greycat: yeah, I was thinking about sarge related weapon factoids in the vein of bobbitt |
| 19:59.09 | TwistedEmotions | asg: and I dont have sandbox installed.. |
| 19:59.12 | Yokalosh | but i want gnome 2.10 baaad, it will fix all the probs i have now |
| 19:59.14 | greycat | asg: *nod* |
| 19:59.26 | asg | TwistedEmotions: that's just an alias to one of my servers. |
| 19:59.37 | greycat | the thing is, solid plastic toys are damned near indestructible |
| 19:59.37 | TwistedEmotions | asg: ahah kk... |
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| 19:59.48 | asg | TwistedEmotions: 76 sounds reasonable for running X and apache |
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| 20:00.05 | greycat | in any foot/plastic toy collision, the foot loses. |
| 20:00.06 | TwistedEmotions | asg: cool.. ;) thanks. |
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| 20:00.31 | stew | in a foot / pastic toy collision there are no winners, at least |
| 20:00.58 | asg | hmm, spastic toys |
| 20:00.58 | greycat | although in Toy Story, both sides (mom and private) took casualties |
| 20:01.10 | jim | Yokalosh: including thinking you want something, then when you get it, you start wanting something else? |
| 20:01.19 | TwistedEmotions | What language is most useful if I want to write scripts to run commands in bash and email me results or something like that? |
| 20:01.27 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: bash |
| 20:01.29 | stew | sid never melted any of the soldiers in the movie, did he? its been a while since i saw it |
| 20:01.37 | greycat | stew: no |
| 20:01.39 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: thanks. |
| 20:01.42 | Lumination | hey guys. I have a problem making an ext3 filesystem.... mkfs tells me that my partition (/dev/hda) is mounted; will not make filesystem --- but when I do fuser -v /dev/hda2 it shows "/proc is empty (not mounted ?)" --- what's going on here? |
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| 20:01.50 | Yokalosh | jim: of course |
| 20:01.58 | Lumination | (/dev/hda) == (/dev/hda2) |
| 20:02.01 | Yokalosh | but the networking stuff in gnome 2.8 is really bad |
| 20:02.04 | Yokalosh | it doesnt work |
| 20:02.20 | greycat | "networking stuff"?? |
| 20:02.21 | greycat | what the fuck. |
| 20:02.25 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 20:02.29 | streuner | haha |
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| 20:02.31 | greycat | why would a DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT have "networking stuff"? |
| 20:02.36 | Yokalosh | file sharing doesnt exist |
| 20:02.42 | Yokalosh | it has no integration with sambe |
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| 20:02.44 | RogueDopple | oh my freakin eyes |
| 20:02.45 | Yokalosh | *samba |
| 20:02.47 | Lumination | LOL |
| 20:02.47 | greycat | what the hell does gnome have to do with file sharing or samba? |
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| 20:03.09 | mrou | is there someone having problem in compiling I2C module |
| 20:03.11 | mrou | ? |
| 20:03.13 | RogueDopple | gui isms |
| 20:03.17 | mrou | kernel-2.6.11 in sid |
| 20:03.20 | Yokalosh | well i know for a fact u can right click a folder in gnome 2.10 and share it |
| 20:03.23 | Yokalosh | and it works |
| 20:03.34 | streuner | Yokalosh: magic? |
| 20:03.35 | PerfDave | n/away |
| 20:03.37 | greycat | Yokalosh: so fucking run sid and watch your files all get erased. see if we care. |
| 20:03.43 | kombi_ | if you can't log in over ssh until you set "use pam" to "no" in sshd_conf, what is happening? |
| 20:03.44 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 20:03.45 | greycat | my god, what a windoze luser. |
| 20:03.50 | streuner | haha |
| 20:03.57 | Lumination | ------------Anybody?------------ |
| 20:03.58 | Yokalosh | well it has to work with the windows network unfortunately |
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| 20:04.03 | jim | !bad poll |
| 20:04.04 | asg | Lumination: /* no */ |
| 20:04.09 | greycat | Yokalosh: SO FUCKING READ THE SAMBA DOCUMENATATION and set it up! |
| 20:04.12 | Yokalosh | and i'm not actually a windows user, i'm actually a mac osx user |
| 20:04.20 | Yokalosh | so bleee |
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| 20:04.28 | Lumination | ...:::[Thanks]:::... |
| 20:04.29 | greycat | Yokalosh: /j #samba |
| 20:04.31 | Lumination | lol |
| 20:04.32 | asg | cripes! |
| 20:04.35 | greycat | I'm sure it runs on mac os x. |
| 20:04.35 | kombi_ | how does pam interact with ssh anyway? |
| 20:04.36 | RogueDopple | oh yeah as if mac ox X users know anything |
| 20:04.40 | RogueDopple | who the fuck cares |
| 20:04.45 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 20:04.47 | greycat | If I can get it to work on HP-UX 10.20, I'm *positive* you can get it to work on Mac OS X. |
| 20:04.50 | asg | Lumination: /dev/hda is not a filesystem |
| 20:04.53 | mrou | is there someone having problem in compiling I2C module (kernel-2.6.11 under sid) |
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| 20:04.56 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: AFAIK the commands specified in /etc/kernel-img.conf are only run when a kernel-image package is installed. I don't know why your config file didn't contain the relevant hooks, I can only presume that it's something to do with an FAI-based instsaller. |
| 20:05.00 | Yokalosh | wooo touchy |
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| 20:05.08 | Lumination | asg: notice my comment after the message that has a correction to /dev/hda2 |
| 20:05.08 | RogueDopple | mrou: take the hint NO |
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| 20:05.16 | greycat | oh, and by the way -- I don't use GNOME on my HP-UX boxes. *gasp*! Samba without GNOME! Wow! Conceptual awe! |
| 20:05.46 | JohnnyST | RogueDopple: What was your problem? |
| 20:05.49 | Yokalosh | lol greycat ur soooo funny :S |
| 20:05.52 | lanchow | should i use autofs or am-utils or hald for automount ? |
| 20:05.55 | asg | Lumination: mount /proc |
| 20:06.00 | RogueDopple | JohnnyST: i was just answering mrou repeating a question |
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| 20:06.04 | JohnnyST | ok |
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| 20:06.16 | greycat | mrou: why are you asking for people who have *problems*? |
| 20:06.23 | greycat | mrou: are you selling an answer service or something? |
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| 20:06.32 | ma3x | jim! |
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| 20:07.25 | streuner | mrou: in short '/msg dpkg ask' |
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| 20:08.48 | webdude | why is there no mod_access for apache |
| 20:08.50 | asg | lanchow: it depends on your requirements, I use autofs. |
| 20:09.03 | greycat | /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_access.so |
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| 20:09.15 | asg | webdude: you could have actually looked |
| 20:09.25 | webdude | asg: i actually did look |
| 20:09.37 | greycat | !pal apache2 users who think they're running "apache" |
| 20:09.50 | stew | webdude: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:09.52 | webdude | im talking about 1.3 |
| 20:10.15 | webdude | stew: apt-cache search apache | grep access ...try it |
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| 20:10.31 | stew | webdude: apt-file search mod_access ...try it |
| 20:10.32 | spoopin | asg: your blade is done :) |
| 20:10.37 | Lumination | asg: okay now I get nothing from fuser |
| 20:10.38 | secata | Hi all |
| 20:10.41 | greycat | webdude: locate mod_access |
| 20:10.50 | Lumination | asg: and the same message from mkfs |
| 20:11.14 | asg | spoopin: thanks |
| 20:11.21 | spoopin | asg: I called it frylock. |
| 20:11.39 | spoopin | asg: you planning to be here tomorrow? |
| 20:11.39 | asg | webdude: it's bundled with apache |
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| 20:11.40 | asg | spoopin: I'll be in tomorrow. |
| 20:11.42 | Lumination | damn |
| 20:11.43 | Lumination | split |
| 20:11.58 | asg | spoopin: I'll rename him to master-shake |
| 20:12.03 | spoopin | asg: cool. I'll just leave it in here then. Your door sucks. |
| 20:12.10 | spoopin | asg: OK. |
| 20:12.19 | asg | spoopin: yeah, maintenance doesn't want to fix it. |
| 20:12.35 | spoopin | asg: that's not surprising. |
| 20:12.49 | asg | spoopin: no, it isn't |
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| 20:13.31 | asg | spoopin: I saw a few the other night. wisdom cube and oniony-spider monster in the attic |
| 20:13.34 | exobyte | I'm not sure what this is related to. The first time I dial out with my modem after boot, it hangs after ATZ (I've tried a few other things). Subsequent dials are fine and telling it to dial right after boot is fine |
| 20:13.36 | cn | what means iF near a package |
| 20:13.50 | greycat | cn: what did the header say the F means? |
| 20:13.52 | spoopin | asg: when were they on? |
| 20:14.10 | spoopin | asg: that last one's called 'The Shaving' |
| 20:14.11 | asg | spoopin: I saw them at 2am or so including family guy. |
| 20:14.20 | cn | greycat : ? |
| 20:14.31 | asg | cn: dpkg -l | head -n3 |
| 20:14.56 | spoopin | asg: quite. |
| 20:15.01 | greycat | probably clearer if he just does a "dpkg -l thepackage" |
| 20:15.11 | greycat | that way he can see the line pointing to the F |
| 20:15.18 | asg | true |
| 20:15.33 | cn | greycat : installation Failed? |
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| 20:15.42 | greycat | jesus. fucking. christ. |
| 20:15.45 | greycat | why do I even bother? |
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| 20:15.55 | greycat | !FAQ cn |
| 20:15.55 | dpkg | cn: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:16.02 | cn | O_o |
| 20:16.10 | greycat | IT IS IN THE FAQ. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I FUCKING *PUT IT* THERE. |
| 20:16.16 | cn | ... |
| 20:16.17 | greycat | It's DOCUMENTED. |
| 20:16.26 | greycat | It's in the HEADER that gets printed out when you run dpkg -l |
| 20:16.35 | cadu | greycat: greyey is upset today ? :) |
| 20:16.49 | tarzeau | hello greycat |
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| 20:16.54 | asg | cadu: this is a non-breastfeeding zone |
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| 20:17.00 | traumator | hmm |
| 20:17.03 | cadu | asg: ahahahah |
| 20:17.03 | traumator | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ is fucked up |
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| 20:17.12 | tarzeau | traumator: why? |
| 20:17.12 | cadu | greycat: but you're less tolerant than usual, man, chill out :) |
| 20:17.15 | cn | greycat i too |
| 20:17.23 | greycat | traumator: in what way? looks OK here. |
| 20:17.24 | traumator | there is pr0n link in it.. that weird |
| 20:17.32 | secata | I'm having trouble getting my CDRW working. I ran cdrecord -scanbus "No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver." So I looked on the net and found a page that describes modifying modules.conf and lilo.conf, in order to enable the ide-scsi driver. Only problem is, that I have neither of these files and obviously, If I try doing "insmod ide-scsi" or "rmmod ide-scsi", it complains. Do I need to get t |
| 20:17.32 | secata | he Linux source to do this? Is there an easier way to get a cdrw to work? |
| 20:17.32 | tarzeau | traumator: where? where? |
| 20:17.50 | traumator | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/IndexTitre |
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| 20:17.55 | secata | Btw...my cdrw is on hdd and my cd is on hdc. Both works |
| 20:18.03 | Thanatermesis | apt-get dist-upgrade works good in this moments ? |
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| 20:18.06 | SimonRaven | secata: probably looking for /dev/sg? stuff |
| 20:18.07 | stew | scoopex: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:18.11 | tarzeau | traumator: yeah i've not cleaned up the non-english porn spammer links |
| 20:18.13 | stew | err secata ^^^ |
| 20:18.16 | spoopin | secata: what kernel are you running? |
| 20:18.27 | tarzeau | traumator: if you want an account, i can make you one, and you can clean the minor languages pages |
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| 20:18.48 | exobyte | h/win3 |
| 20:18.52 | exobyte | heh |
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| 20:19.20 | lindenle | hi is there an nfs help channek |
| 20:19.22 | Kossy|working | Hi @ll |
| 20:19.23 | lindenle | channel |
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| 20:19.29 | tarzeau | lindenle: you're right in it. if you got debian |
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| 20:19.34 | lindenle | I do |
| 20:19.35 | secata | I'm running Linux-2.6.10-5-386 |
| 20:19.36 | cadu | !ogg |
| 20:19.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, ogg is a wrapper format, much like avi, which is designed to be streamable and accept a variety of multimedia codecs. It is patent free and open. Currently, the only widely used codec for Ogg is Vorbis, an audio codec; ask me about vorbis for more information. Some people have put DivX into ogg as well, apparently. See http://www.xiph.org or join #vorbis for details on the format. Ogg files generally end in .ogg, ... |
| 20:19.40 | cadu | !vorbis |
| 20:19.40 | debianuser | i get this error with my postfix setup: postfix/smtpd[4025]: warning: SASL authentication failure: incorrect digest response any ideea how can i resolve it.. cand find anything working on google |
| 20:19.41 | dpkg | Vorbis is a patent free, open lossy audio codec. It is usually found wrapped in the ogg multimedia wrapper and is hence generally referred to as 'Ogg Vorbis' and found in files with an .ogg extension. It's natively VBR and sounds much better than mp3 at a given bitrate. See http://www.xiph.org/about.html for other reasons why you should choose Ogg Vorbis over mp3. Drop by #vorbis (irc.vorbis.com) or visit http://www.vorbis.com/ |
| 20:19.42 | tarzeau | lindenle: we can't read mind |
| 20:19.42 | lindenle | tarazeau: I do |
| 20:19.44 | stew | lindenle: /msg chanserv list *nfs* |
| 20:19.52 | J_1 | hi all |
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| 20:19.59 | streuner | cadu: How long are you visit #debian? |
| 20:20.01 | secata | spoopin: I'm running Linux-2.6.10-5-386 |
| 20:20.09 | cadu | streuner: 2 years..more |
| 20:20.13 | cadu | streuner: why? |
| 20:20.19 | Kossy|working | I want to install Debian on USB disk, and have windows on disk on ide. Is it possible to boot from usb disk ? |
| 20:20.22 | shadow98 | how would i make it so when i do a whois debian uses jwhois instead of the default whois? |
| 20:20.23 | stew | secata: you shouldn't be trying to use ide-scsi with 2.6 |
| 20:20.25 | greycat | irc.vorbis.com may not be right... |
| 20:20.34 | Eno_ | some apps, mainly vim and xterm, are taking a really long time to start. i discovered this message from xterm: "Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, Could not open network socket" -- when i unset SESSION_MANAGER xterm and vim were instant again... SESSION_MANAGER is "local/earthbound:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2330" |
| 20:20.38 | stew | secata: you should be using dev:ATA, read the cdrecord manpage |
| 20:20.43 | goccia | Kossy|working: yes |
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| 20:20.48 | greycat | dpkg, vorbis =~ s/(irc.vorbis.com) // |
| 20:20.48 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 20:20.52 | streuner | cadu: i didn't see you often here |
| 20:20.56 | Kossy|working | that's good |
| 20:21.00 | spoopin | secata: try dev=ATA between cdrecord and -scanbus |
| 20:21.02 | secata | stew: thanks |
| 20:21.07 | cadu | streuner: maybe under other nicks all those times.. _mechanix probably |
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| 20:21.31 | stew | secata: rmmod ide-scsi and modprobe ide-cd first though |
| 20:21.33 | spoopin | secata: the ide-scsi emulation is 2.4 kernel stuff |
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| 20:21.36 | Kossy|working | goccia, i have to just install Debian on usb disk, and it will work ? |
| 20:21.37 | cadu | streuner: now i'm back for almost a year using 'cadu' and i'll be using this nick from now on and forever ... missed me or just annoyed by my !ogg !vorbis flooding the channel? |
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| 20:21.42 | Nebulous | hey Simon, I have a new one :) Are you able to get the public key authentication working on a ssh-krb server? |
| 20:21.42 | Spec | shadow98: alias whois='jwhois' |
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| 20:21.59 | streuner | cadu: nope |
| 20:22.01 | Spec | shadow98: or delete 'whois' and make a symlink to jwhois |
| 20:22.11 | streuner | Overfiend: hey |
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| 20:22.30 | goccia | Kossy|working: ops : sorry i 've installed sarge using a iomega/usb |
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| 20:22.39 | goccia | non on a iomega |
| 20:22.40 | lindenle | ok so I have a weird error on my nfs-server that looks like rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted. But only when a mount request comes in from a psecific server. |
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| 20:22.45 | lindenle | can anyone help me debug |
| 20:22.52 | tinker | Im trying to increase the size of my terminal (not X related) i tried editing the grub.conf but it doesnt exist in /boot/grub/. How do i change the size of my terminal? |
| 20:23.00 | metalhedd | I've got my NAT/Router working, running gentoo, however the only problem I have is that when a machine gets an IP using DHCP the resolv.conf file of that machine is replaced with references to the router as a nameserver, if I copy the resolv.conf from the router and place it on the machine in question, it works fine. How can I make the dhcp server give the correct DNS Information to the machines on the lan? I kn |
| 20:23.02 | greycat | that sounds disturbingly familiar |
| 20:23.09 | lindenle | and it is just for one of the exported disks on the server |
| 20:23.13 | streuner | <-- Overfiend has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 20:23.26 | secata | spoopin: I get "Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface. |
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| 20:23.29 | greycat | lindenle: what did google say? |
| 20:23.30 | secata | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.36 | asg | tinker: vga=xyz at the end of the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 20:23.40 | greycat | secata: dev=ATA not dev=ATAPI |
| 20:23.48 | debianuser | i get this error with my postfix setup: postfix/smtpd[4025]: warning: SASL authentication failure: incorrect digest response any ideea how can i resolve it.. cand find anything working on google |
| 20:24.08 | asg | tinker: vga=791 or vga=771 are good starting values. Look at Documentation/fb/vesa.txt in the kernel src tree for other combinations. |
| 20:24.09 | Lee__ | is there a way to enforce per-user quotas on the directory level in place of a whole filesystem? |
| 20:24.14 | streuner | debianuser: google for 'SMTP HOWTO' |
| 20:24.16 | lindenle | greycat: I have looked but no definite solutions or specifics of the problem. |
| 20:24.18 | Nebulous | debianuser: so you're having digestion problems. |
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| 20:24.38 | cadu | streuner: 'nope' what? |
| 20:24.39 | secata | greycat: Shweet...thanks. |
| 20:24.49 | Spec | exlax > /etc/sasl/digest |
| 20:25.06 | spoopin | secata: you may need to be root, as well |
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| 20:25.13 | debianuser | Nebulous: any ideea what can i do about it ? |
| 20:25.19 | streuner | cadu: I wasn't annoyed from '!ogg !vorbis' |
| 20:25.26 | asg | metalhedd: read the documentation for your dhcp server. The options for adding 'nameservers' to clients are well documented. |
| 20:25.27 | Kossy|working | no one have linux on USB disk ? |
| 20:25.30 | cadu | streuner: ah good :) i seem to annoy people easily |
| 20:25.35 | debianuser | streuner: can you be more specific.. i did the instalation after a howto... |
| 20:25.39 | rumpl | i installed the 2.6.12 kernel, and my mouse wheel stoped working, knowing that my Xfree86 config is fine, when im on a 2.4.29 kernel the wheel works fine, is it some option that i forgot ot smt else... please help |
| 20:25.45 | goccia | Kossy|working: anyway you can boot from a usb disk : the installer boot freìom there |
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| 20:25.54 | cadu | Kossy|working: well , if your bios supports booting from flash usb devices you're set |
| 20:26.11 | Kossy|working | i have mainboard Intel GBV |
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| 20:26.19 | Kossy|working | it has about 3 years |
| 20:26.27 | rumpl | it's a usb mouse on a latop.. |
| 20:26.33 | metalhedd | asg: I did see mention of something like that in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf but I didn't see a way for the dhcp server to pass the nameserver that it uses, instead of a static address. |
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| 20:26.54 | asg | metalhedd: the nameserver of the router is dynamic? |
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| 20:27.13 | streuner | debianuser: read the HOWTO more carefully then? |
| 20:27.14 | Kossy|working | goccia, maybe i wrong said, i want to run debian from usb disk, |
| 20:27.23 | asuffield | greycat: it's familiar because it's the message you always get when the kernel doesn't like your nfs exports for some miscellaneous reason |
| 20:27.27 | tinker | asg: after editing the menu.1st file.. All i have to do is reboot? |
| 20:27.30 | metalhedd | asg: well, the router uses dhcp to get its own IP and DNS information |
| 20:27.36 | asg | tinker: menu.list |
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| 20:27.53 | metalhedd | asg ist a pretty standard cable internet setup |
| 20:27.57 | asg | metalhedd: your ISP would go out of business if its nameservers changed all the time. Just static one or two. |
| 20:28.03 | greycat | asuffield: oh, of course. how obvious. |
| 20:28.29 | Kossy|working | if operators of USB are loaded before running bootloader, i will run debian from usb disk, do i thnk good ? |
| 20:28.36 | asuffield | like the good old "SIOFFLAGS: invalid argument" from ifconfig |
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| 20:28.43 | asuffield | I think I misspelled that |
| 20:28.44 | gst_is_great | :( |
| 20:28.49 | goccia | Kossy|working: ok ok : running debian or an installer is the same : you goit to boot it and it is possible : i've booted the installer on a '98 bios by floppy and on a modern bios easy |
| 20:28.54 | metalhedd | asg: then if I were to switch ISPs (i'm moving in a week) would I have to manually update those DNS Entries again? |
| 20:28.55 | greycat | yeah, there's a C in it somewhere |
| 20:28.58 | gst_is_great | UNSTABLE not have system-tools-backends >= 1.3? |
| 20:28.59 | debianuser | streuner: i didi.. this is not my first instalation... but this time something is verry wrong... i know it was a bug with pam/sasl dpkg's... i think it's resolved now.. but i can't find a solution.. if you can provide any help... i will apreciate it.. if you just say.. look for yourself.. well.. i would not ask if i already founded something |
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| 20:29.07 | tinker | asg: sorry menu.lst.. just reboot? |
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| 20:29.18 | asg | metalhedd: yes. It isn't hard. vi /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf, change, restart dhcp after moving. |
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| 20:29.19 | greycat | gst_is_great: why ask us? you're running unstable, you can use apt-cache and p.d.o |
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| 20:29.26 | asg | tinker: yes. |
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| 20:29.54 | s_ward | Kossy|working, a quick search reveals http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/05/msg03728.html might help a little |
| 20:29.55 | gst_is_great | greycat, p.d.o ? |
| 20:30.05 | greycat | someone make the pain stop. |
| 20:30.05 | Kossy|working | thanks |
| 20:30.10 | metalhedd | asg: I know its easy, just seems unnecessary. why cant the router pass on the correct nameservers that it gets from DHCP |
| 20:30.18 | asg | !asprin greycat |
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| 20:30.45 | streuner | debianuser: did you tried #postfix? If you thinking its a bug check out BTS |
| 20:30.52 | asg | metalhedd: well, you could write a script that gets polls the router's nameserver info, use sed to edit /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf, and restart dhcpd if you wish. |
| 20:31.05 | debianuser | streuner: #postfix is dead... |
| 20:31.14 | gst_is_great | greycat, gnome-system-tools need system-tools-backends >= 1.3 |
| 20:31.25 | metalhedd | asg: I suppose. there has got to be another way though. I never had to do that before. |
| 20:31.29 | gst_is_great | greycat, i want compile gnome-system-tools lasted version |
| 20:31.42 | tinker | asg: thanx |
| 20:31.43 | asg | metalhedd: then look at different dhcp servers. Some might have that functionality. |
| 20:31.49 | asg | tinker: you're welcome |
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| 20:32.06 | streuner | debianuser: URL? |
| 20:32.07 | s_ward | debianuser, how about http://www.postfix.org/lists.html ? |
| 20:32.08 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 20:32.08 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 20:32.41 | goccia | s_ward: nice doc :) |
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| 20:33.00 | metalhedd | asg: thanks. I'm sure I'll figure something out |
| 20:33.02 | asg | metalhedd: another alternative is to run a local dns cache on the router and forget about what the router's nameservers are. |
| 20:33.03 | gst_is_great | greycat, what`s url ? sid faq? |
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| 20:33.12 | secata | Thanks for the help guys! At least now I know there is a README.ATAPI.Setup ;o) |
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| 20:33.25 | streuner | !url |
| 20:33.25 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:33.25 | dpkg | url is probably the Uniform Resource Locator, also mistakenly called Universal Resource Locator. This is used to give Web addresses for HTML, VRML, WAV and other files. It simply contains the Internet name of the machine containing the data and the path to the file. Much like the UNC, except specifically for the Internet. The address also includes the protocol to be used. or the name of the original infobot on EFnet, or pronounced "earl" by ... |
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| 20:33.54 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo url |
| 20:33.55 | dpkg | url -- last modified at Mon Feb 14 11:41:38 2000 by ddent!ddent@sfr-pci-pqs-vty12.as.wcom.net; it has been requested 22 times, last by streuner, 29s ago. |
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| 20:34.17 | dupondje | hi guys ! :) how can i choose other kernel @ boot with grub ? what key i need to press to get into the menu ? |
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| 20:34.34 | greycat | dupondje: uh, the down arrow typically. |
| 20:34.36 | asg | dupondje: the menu should come up automatically unless you fooled with /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 20:34.49 | s_ward | dupondje, the any key, you'll find it on most popular keyboards ;) |
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| 20:35.33 | Kepplar | Hi |
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| 20:35.58 | Kepplar | my box can't find dpkg-source :| |
| 20:36.08 | Kepplar | i've tried reinstalling it via apt too, to no avail |
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| 20:36.28 | asg | Kepplar: apt-file search dpkg-source |
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| 20:36.59 | silddavia | buenas noches |
| 20:37.04 | Kepplar | asg: returns nowt |
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| 20:37.42 | tinker | Does the default kernel in Sarge 3.1 support prism54 modules? I cant seem to find it. |
| 20:37.48 | asg | Kepplar: then apt-file update ; apt-file search dpkg-source |
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| 20:38.12 | inuczu | hi |
| 20:38.28 | streuner | tinker: what does ig say about? |
| 20:38.35 | stew | tinker: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:39.05 | tinker | it comes up with nothing.. How do i install the module after an apt-get install? |
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| 20:39.43 | inuczu | sorry abut my english, but someone has installed a debian in a UltraSparc III+ |
| 20:39.46 | inuczu | ? |
| 20:39.53 | PerfDave | inuczu: You may wish to ask #debian-sparc that question :) |
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| 20:40.09 | streuner | tinker: kernel modules are usally in debian kernel-images itself |
| 20:40.25 | streuner | tinker: just answer stew's question |
| 20:40.29 | tinker | how would i find the prism54 module using uname -r |
| 20:40.32 | wiegehts | is there a pdf program in normal debian repo that can edit pdf files? |
| 20:40.35 | gehel2 | inuczu, no, but on a SparcStation 20 (or was it a 4 ?) |
| 20:40.38 | stew | ugh |
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| 20:40.40 | inuczu | ya! tnx perfdave |
| 20:40.45 | greycat | !kill pdf |
| 20:40.51 | streuner | tinker: Are you a bot? |
| 20:40.55 | tinker | no |
| 20:41.02 | PerfDave | wiegehts: pdfs are not really designed to be editable |
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| 20:41.15 | streuner | tinker, run 'uname -a' as root and tell us the output |
| 20:41.19 | OncleBens | hi |
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| 20:41.32 | stew | tinker: prism54 is supported by sarges 2.6 kernel for sure, don't know about 2.4 but maybe not |
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| 20:42.41 | tinker | linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST i686 GNU Linux |
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| 20:43.42 | tinker | So do i have to recompile the 2.4 kernel with support for the prism54 patch? |
| 20:43.44 | streuner | tinker: so install an 2.6.x kernel as stew suggested |
| 20:43.51 | stew | tinker: what cpu do you have? |
| 20:43.58 | usernameDeb01 | ello all.. |
| 20:44.27 | stew | tinker apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 ; unless you have a pentium or 486 |
| 20:44.33 | stew | err |
| 20:44.37 | stew | athlon.. |
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| 20:44.43 | tinker | 386 Intel pentium Coppermine |
| 20:44.50 | tinker | pentium III |
| 20:44.51 | stew | tinker apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:44.55 | OncleBens | got a problem with sound : I have to launch alsamixe at each start |
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| 20:45.02 | streuner | Coppermine's aren't 386 |
| 20:45.11 | tinker | ? |
| 20:45.17 | streuner | !686 |
| 20:45.18 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 20:45.47 | vick | AMD athlon Vs Intel Centrino |
| 20:45.54 | greycat | athlon. |
| 20:45.57 | tinker | -386 refers to ...? |
| 20:46.02 | greycat | tinker: generic i386 |
| 20:46.08 | StijnT | lol athlon vs centrino, wtf ... |
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| 20:46.19 | StijnT | centrino is a laptop CPU, athlon isn't (+ is crap) |
| 20:46.27 | vick | heh |
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| 20:46.40 | vick | Centrino is a feature/type of Intel processor |
| 20:46.42 | usernameDeb01 | so *dpkg* doesnt know.. and google 2 hits are unclear.. missing ''' face browser ''' ? |
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| 20:46.50 | rking | i'm having USB glitches - I have 4 ports, the top to are keyboard/mouse, and the bottom two are: headset/empty. Sometimes when I plug the headset in, the whole group just stops working. Sometimes just the keyboard. Sometimes just the bottom two ports. I'm running unstable with 2.6.8-2-686, usbmgr, and i think these are all the relevant modules: snd_usb_audio snd_pcm snd_rawmidi snd usbhid usbcore ehci_hcd uhci_hcd |
| 20:46.54 | usernameDeb01 | any clues appreciated mates |
| 20:46.54 | inuczu | nobody answers in debian-sparc channel |
| 20:46.55 | KoRn3 | anyone recommend a wireless card that is supported under debian? |
| 20:47.10 | usernameDeb01 | make that.. |
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| 20:47.17 | StijnT | KoRn3: any wireless card that works under linux ... |
| 20:47.24 | usernameDeb01 | missing face browser configuration ? |
| 20:47.26 | OncleBens | how can I save the config I created with alsamixer ? |
| 20:47.28 | StijnT | KoRn3: madwifi works nice here |
| 20:47.33 | rking | KoRn3: good question - generally, i'm able to find linux hardware supports on the web... i always check before i buy |
| 20:47.36 | vick | greycat: Are you sure ? |
| 20:47.37 | greycat | usernameDeb01: could you be a little more vague? |
| 20:47.42 | stew | i doubt it |
| 20:48.04 | KoRn3 | ive got a linksys wmp11, but that is very badly supported it seems |
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| 20:48.21 | ugly | linksys cards are supported with ndiswrapper - it's ghetto but works fine |
| 20:48.25 | usernameDeb01 | rofl |
| 20:48.29 | FieldySnuts | KoRn3: most linksys usb adapters are (i think that is) |
| 20:48.35 | zinx | "supported" is not a word i'd use with ndiswrapper |
| 20:48.50 | asg | !tell usernameDeb01 about smart questions |
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| 20:48.55 | greycat | because they're morons? |
| 20:48.55 | StijnT | never used ndiswrapper |
| 20:49.01 | FieldySnuts | I'll say. |
| 20:49.05 | StijnT | if it isn't free then screw it |
| 20:49.12 | KoRn3 | thanks for the help anyway, not seen madwifi before |
| 20:49.29 | FieldySnuts | ~smite atheros based cards |
| 20:49.38 | PerfDave | It seems that ndiswrapper is the only way to do WPA on Linux :( |
| 20:49.53 | FieldySnuts | aka, we don't do it then. but some people are sellouts, shrug |
| 20:49.54 | usernameDeb01 | morons.. g r e a t.. |
| 20:49.58 | asg | PerfDave: better to use a good vpn solution. |
| 20:50.01 | StijnT | PerfDave: rofl, you must be joking |
| 20:50.21 | debianuser | streuner: i didi.. this is not my first instalation... but this time something is verry wrong... i know it was a bug with pam/sasl dpkg's... i think it's resolved now.. but i can't find a solution.. if you can provide any help... i will apreciate it.. if you just say.. look for yourself.. well.. i would not ask if i already founded something |
| 20:50.26 | streuner | dpkg, Coppermine is a Intel III CPU, see http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/PIII/TYPE-Coppermine%20Socket%20370.html |
| 20:50.27 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 20:50.30 | inuczu | i hat solaris and i really need to install debian in this f..ing Sun machine |
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| 20:50.32 | Nebulous | how do I enable framebuffers in grub? I know how to do it in lilo with the vga parameter |
| 20:50.36 | PerfDave | asg: Not really appropriate here. |
| 20:50.36 | inuczu | heat i mean |
| 20:50.38 | StijnT | PerfDave: I have ipw2200 + wpa perfectly running, connecting to a madwifi card + hostapd |
| 20:50.38 | asg | Nebulous: same way |
| 20:50.40 | greycat | "a Intel III"? |
| 20:50.50 | streuner | greycat: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/PIII/TYPE-Coppermine%20Socket%20370.html |
| 20:50.55 | StijnT | PerfDave: s/wpa/wpa2/ |
| 20:51.00 | PerfDave | StijnT: ipw2200's still non-free though, right? |
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| 20:51.17 | FieldySnuts | madwifi == nonfree (binary closed source firmware) |
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| 20:51.20 | greycat | streuner: I don't see "a Intel" anywhere on there, and most of the IIIs have Pentium in front of 'em so far. |
| 20:51.22 | exobyte_ | what utility do I use to communicate on a serial port (like with a modem) |
| 20:51.32 | FieldySnuts | minicom |
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| 20:51.38 | Nebulous | asg: well, how in the same way, since there isn't a grub config file |
| 20:51.38 | FieldySnuts | i'm sure there are others |
| 20:51.39 | streuner | greycat: yes Pentium my mistake |
| 20:51.39 | exobyte_ | FieldySnuts: thx |
| 20:51.47 | stew | PerfDave: yes, requires non-free firmware |
| 20:51.50 | asg | Nebulous: there is. /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:51.51 | StijnT | PerfDave: I can download it fro free soo ... |
| 20:51.56 | StijnT | :-) |
| 20:52.04 | FieldySnuts | you misunderstand the use of "free" here |
| 20:52.09 | greycat | !Free |
| 20:52.09 | dpkg | i guess free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 20:52.11 | inuczu | someone help? |
| 20:52.13 | streuner | dpkg, forget Coppermine |
| 20:52.13 | dpkg | streuner: i forgot coppermine |
| 20:52.14 | inuczu | please? |
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| 20:52.23 | inuczu | .-( |
| 20:52.25 | PerfDave | StijnT: It's still non-Free. Are there any Free drivers which support WPA? |
| 20:52.29 | streuner | dpkg, Coppermine is a Intel Pentium III CPU, see http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/PIII/TYPE-Coppermine%20Socket%20370.html |
| 20:52.29 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 20:52.31 | FieldySnuts | inuczu: are you going to beg, or actually state your problem in a coherent way? |
| 20:52.45 | greycat | dpkg, coppermine =~ s/a Intel/an Intel/ |
| 20:52.45 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 20:52.45 | StijnT | PerfDave: don't know, never got a card supported by in-kernel drivers |
| 20:52.47 | inuczu | lol |
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| 20:53.04 | StijnT | but PerfDave, ipw2x00 is on it's way too the mainline kernel ... |
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| 20:53.11 | bleck | how do i setup postfix so greycat, whoa, you're still here |
| 20:53.18 | StijnT | PerfDave: that wouldn't happen if it wasn't free |
| 20:53.19 | PerfDave | StijnT: They've GPL'd the source to the binary crap therein? |
| 20:53.20 | asg | StijnT: the tg3 driver is in the mainline kernel but still non-free |
| 20:53.21 | FieldySnuts | apt: hi |
| 20:53.21 | apt | hello, fieldysnuts |
| 20:53.23 | bleck | oops |
| 20:53.33 | inuczu | FieldySnuts: sorry, but i'am new in this channel and i dont know if here is te correct place to get som help |
| 20:53.36 | MoonGladeGal | Is it better to install under one partition or create multiple? |
| 20:53.42 | greycat | !tell inuczu about ask |
| 20:53.44 | PerfDave | StijnT: Uhm, the kernel.org maintainers don't give a toss about Freedom |
| 20:53.46 | bleck | so i can use it as an smtp server? |
| 20:53.50 | greycat | MoonGladeGal: depends on the system |
| 20:53.59 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: that's obvioius, else they wouldn't have used bitkeeper .... |
| 20:54.07 | MoonGladeGal | A server |
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| 20:54.09 | FieldySnuts | not to mention the oss licensing shit |
| 20:54.11 | OncleBens | thx guys, found alone :p |
| 20:54.13 | bleck | greycat: i used to see you on here like 5 years ago. heh |
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| 20:54.26 | inuczu | greycat: debian+UltraSparc III+ |
| 20:54.30 | OncleBens | let's be sure about it |
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| 20:54.56 | PerfDave | Also, ipw2x00 being included in the mainstream kernel doesn't help me when I'm running Sarge ;) |
| 20:54.58 | inuczu | greycat: someone succesfully install debian in a SUn SultraSparc III+ |
| 20:54.58 | morbius | anybody able to help with a little pure-ftpd-mysql issue? I am trying to use pure-ftpd-mysql and I am able to connect but no matter what I do the login fails, I am using MYSQLCrypt cleartext - any suggestions? |
| 20:55.01 | greycat | bleck: it's gotten worse. |
| 20:55.03 | StijnT | PerfDave: true :-) |
| 20:55.22 | chris | the debian netinstall cd when booting the 2.4 kernel doesn't recognize my sata hard drive, can i resolve this without using the linux26 option ? |
| 20:55.25 | asg | morbius: did you check the logs? both for ftp and mysqld? |
| 20:55.30 | StijnT | I cannot even do a sarge netinstall coz my Intel PRO/1000GT NIC isn't supported |
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| 20:55.50 | asg | chris: sata on 2.4 is flaky at best. |
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| 20:56.16 | PerfDave | StijnT: Well, if manufacturers won't release Free drivers, or specs... |
| 20:56.18 | greycat | except for the controllers where 2.6.8 doesn't work at all and 2.4.27 just works |
| 20:56.24 | chris | asg: unforunately 2.6 doesn't recognize my cd-rom i feel like i'm a catch22'd |
| 20:56.24 | asg | greycat: there are those |
| 20:56.43 | asg | chris: then try 2.4 or ask how to get your cd-rom working with 2.6 |
| 20:56.52 | StijnT | PerfDave: I'm actually happy too see Intel do Intel doing all the efforts to create linux drivers ... |
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| 20:57.13 | PerfDave | StijnT: Are they Free drivers? |
| 20:57.16 | chris | asg: lol 2.4 breaks =P |
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| 20:57.36 | StijnT | PerfDave: I don't care if they are 'free', if I can use them without paying for them I am happy |
| 20:57.36 | greycat | !custom d-i |
| 20:57.36 | dpkg | methinks custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 20:57.46 | asg | chris: well, can you get it installed at all with the 2.6 driver? |
| 20:57.50 | PerfDave | StijnT: Well, that's very short sighted of you ;) |
| 20:57.58 | morbius | asag: seems that its still trying to use pam-auth... |
| 20:58.00 | StijnT | PerfDave: ok then .. |
| 20:58.02 | Xytek_ | Can anyone help me with the installation of cedega? its a *.tgz file, bare in mind im new. |
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| 20:58.13 | PerfDave | Xytek_: Ask Cedega, it's their commercial product :) |
| 20:58.15 | greycat | Xytek_: no. ask Cedega. You paid them, they should support you. |
| 20:58.21 | asg | morbius: then look in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 20:58.48 | Gumby | can anyone tell me what I would run if I wanted to run the command that I'd choose whether I want an X environment, mail server, etc from the DVD install? Or is this only available when installing? |
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| 20:58.57 | greycat | Gumby: tasksel |
| 20:59.02 | asg | greycat: tasksel |
| 20:59.02 | PerfDave | StijnT: Not least because Intel releasing non-Free drivers means that your netinstall won't work ;) |
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| 20:59.07 | asg | bah |
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| 20:59.17 | asg | !lart asg |
| 20:59.19 | morbius | asg: but if I am running pure-ftpd-mysqld what could cause it to use pam? |
| 20:59.25 | Gumby | thank you greycat |
| 20:59.33 | StijnT | btw PerfDave, from /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/e1000/LICENSE |
| 20:59.34 | StijnT | "This software program is licensed subject to the GNU General Public License |
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| 20:59.39 | inuczu | which Debian release can be installed on an UltraSparc III+ ? |
| 20:59.43 | StijnT | soo, wtf are you bitching about |
| 20:59.45 | asg | morbius: look in /etc/pam.d. See if anything in there looks interesting. (hint, things with ftp and mysql) |
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| 21:00.03 | streuner | inuczu: guess |
| 21:00.07 | stew | inuczu: sarge, aka 3.1 /msg dpkg install debian |
| 21:00.16 | s_ward | StijnT: you said you couldn't get your Intel Pro 1000GT to work |
| 21:00.18 | streuner | inuczu: /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:00.29 | PerfDave | StijnT: I'm not bitching about anything. You said that your 1000GT wasn't supported by Linux, and that you didn't give a shit about Free drivers. I just pointed out that Free drivers lead to easy Linux support. |
| 21:00.49 | Shadowcat | free drivers rock |
| 21:00.54 | StijnT | PerfDave: hehe I didn't say it isn't supported |
| 21:01.04 | skaarj | hello there, i'm stuck with a locale var problem, do you know how I can change them to fr_FR instead of C ? the system is an old debian woodie |
| 21:01.04 | StijnT | PerfDave: the driver just doesn't recognize my (newer) card |
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| 21:01.22 | PerfDave | StijnT: So the driver doesn't support your card? |
| 21:01.27 | StijnT | which is understandable, as sarge's kernel is getting pretty old ... |
| 21:01.32 | Spec | Where can I find a good tuitorial on configuring grub? (ie: the text colour) |
| 21:01.33 | stew | its supported but not recognized? |
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| 21:01.44 | MoonGladeGal | how large should a root partion be, 2 GB? |
| 21:01.48 | skaarj | i have tried to locate the file /etc/locale.gen, but i didn't found it |
| 21:01.48 | nkuttler | skaarj: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 21:01.49 | greycat | skaarj: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:01.54 | Spec | oi, nevermind, just got it |
| 21:02.02 | PerfDave | StijnT: Uhm, y'know, there's no reason for a new card to require a new driver. There's this thing called "backwards compatiability" :) |
| 21:02.10 | StijnT | well stew I found out it does work with ACPI=off with sarge's kernel version |
| 21:02.12 | s_ward | !tell skaarj about locales |
| 21:02.21 | skaarj | thx greycat & nkuttler : i'll try this :) |
| 21:02.36 | greycat | MoonGladeGal: depends on what other separate partitions you have, and what you plan to store on them |
| 21:02.41 | greycat | MoonGladeGal: there's no simple answer |
| 21:02.42 | Shadowcat | MoonGladeGal: depends on what you're gonna put on that root partition |
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| 21:03.12 | skaarj | hum ^^ locales was not installed :) |
| 21:03.27 | greycat | that might help. |
| 21:03.39 | skaarj | i'm such fool sometimes, sorry about that |
| 21:03.46 | liquid_ | what do I need to enable my host with snmp? |
| 21:03.49 | PerfDave | Hah, I used to run Sarge on a 2Gb *disk* :) |
| 21:03.51 | StijnT | PerfDave: the driver works with ACPI=off boot option |
| 21:03.55 | PerfDave | (and woody on a 200Mb disk) |
| 21:04.02 | PerfDave | StijnT: That's really lame :) |
| 21:04.09 | s_ward | liquid_: snmpd? |
| 21:04.19 | StijnT | PerfDave: hehe |
| 21:04.19 | asg | liquid_: you want to provide snmp data or get it from another host? |
| 21:04.37 | liquid_ | asg both |
| 21:04.45 | StijnT | snmpd in sid seems pretty borked |
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| 21:04.53 | liquid_ | on server will be having cacti and the other is going to graph stuff remotely |
| 21:04.53 | asg | liquid_: then snmp and snmpd |
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| 21:04.59 | liquid_ | I just installed snmpd |
| 21:04.59 | s_ward | StijnT: works for me |
| 21:05.08 | liquid_ | but how do I configure the community settings? |
| 21:05.09 | StijnT | s_ward: well it worked here untill I restarted it |
| 21:05.26 | StijnT | s_ward: now it's ignoring anything |
| 21:05.42 | skaarj | Generating locales... |
| 21:05.42 | skaarj | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.42 | skaarj | dpkg: error processing locales (--configure): |
| 21:05.42 | skaarj | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.42 | skaarj | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 21:05.46 | StijnT | :D |
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| 21:05.54 | s_ward | StijnT: that may be where I've gone wro..right -- I haven't restarted recently because it wasn't broken enough to restart |
| 21:05.56 | skaarj | sorry |
| 21:06.03 | StijnT | s_ward: :D |
| 21:06.13 | StijnT | s_ward: it was broken enough for me |
| 21:06.16 | Jaak | hey, quick question, how do i stop apt from trying to upgrade the ghey udev 6.5 or whatever? |
| 21:06.19 | nkuttler | !tell skaarj about paste |
| 21:06.44 | StijnT | s_ward: I could try a reboot but then I would feel so M$-ish |
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| 21:07.00 | paster | "skaarj" at 82.242.41.98 pasted "Generating locales... address." (7 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/446 |
| 21:07.20 | PerfDave | Jaak: Don't run unstable ;) |
| 21:07.28 | Jaak | but but but... |
| 21:07.32 | Jaak | :) |
| 21:07.37 | skaarj | so, i got a problem at the locales pkg install |
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| 21:07.55 | PerfDave | Jaak: If you don't know how to pin, you probably shouldn't be running unstable in the first place. |
| 21:07.58 | Jaak | oh well, ill just rtfm then |
| 21:08.15 | PerfDave | Jaak: Yeah, heaven forbid that you should RTFM *before* asking for help... |
| 21:08.16 | Jaak | PerfDave: im just really too lazy to read the manual... you know... |
| 21:08.20 | solomonn | hullo.. i am using debian amd64 and i made a 32-bit chroot, installed mozilla firefox to it, exported DISPLAY=:0, and started firefox; it acts as if it's running quite cleanly, only no window actually shows up |
| 21:08.24 | StijnT | Jaak: dpkg --get-selections > file; vim "file"; dpkg --set-selections < file |
| 21:08.35 | PerfDave | solomonn: You may want to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 21:08.36 | skaarj | and now /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
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| 21:08.48 | PerfDave | Jaak: Well, I'm too lazy to help you then :) |
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| 21:09.11 | streuner | dpkg, lart Jaak |
| 21:09.11 | StijnT | Jaak: change 'install' to 'hold' and it won't get updated |
| 21:09.26 | nkuttler | skaarj: what debian version? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:09.31 | Jaak | PerfDave: sounds like chicken and egg problem to me |
| 21:09.36 | streuner | Jaak: dude, if you going to waste our time, troll somewhere else |
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| 21:09.51 | Jaak | streuner: troll? oh cmon |
| 21:09.51 | StijnT | hehehe |
| 21:09.55 | skaarj | testing/unstable |
| 21:09.59 | Jaak | StijnT: thanks btw :) |
| 21:10.04 | skaarj | (this is what i get) |
| 21:10.07 | StijnT | Jaak: yw |
| 21:10.17 | pngwn | he ain't a troll...just a lazy ass |
| 21:10.20 | cadu | PerferctDave: disregard Jaak :) |
| 21:10.23 | StijnT | lazy is good |
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| 21:10.27 | nkuttler | skaarj: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:10.31 | cadu | and disregard crappy typing too :) |
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| 21:10.48 | mls | StijnT: laziness as a motivation to learn is good |
| 21:11.06 | usernameDeb02 | attempted to open login photo |
| 21:11.08 | shingouz | skaarj: so which is it? testing or unstable? |
| 21:11.09 | usernameDeb02 | error |
| 21:11.15 | PerfDave | Jaak: *shrug* There's no point wasting people's time just because you're too lazy to read. Nine times out of ten people will just tell you to go RTFM anyway. |
| 21:11.23 | usernameDeb02 | '''The face browser is not configured''' ? |
| 21:11.34 | usernameDeb02 | is that vague enough for anyone please ;] |
| 21:11.46 | Jaak | PerfDave: oh for gods sakes, who's trolling now? i got the problem solved thanks to StijnT and thats it |
| 21:11.53 | dondelelcaro | usernameDeb02: that means you're telling your DM to use a face browser, and you haven't configured it. |
| 21:12.00 | Nebulous | usernameDeb02: sounds like something from gdm or kdm |
| 21:12.09 | Jaak | isnt that what this channel is about? if everybody would rtfm ths channel would be more or less empty... |
| 21:12.25 | PerfDave | Jaak: I'm not trolling. I'm just saying that wasting people's time on IRC because you're lazy is fucking rude and annoying. |
| 21:12.29 | mls | Jaak: now you describe #OpenBSD |
| 21:12.43 | Jaak | mls: hehee |
| 21:12.48 | pngwn | Jaak, no...it's more like help yourself first then ask for help |
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| 21:12.51 | streuner | Jaak: if nobody would read anything there wouldn't be somebody who could help you |
| 21:12.58 | StijnT | yeah well it confirms my view on the average linux user: feeling to good to help someone who doesn't know |
| 21:13.07 | sep | jaak, no. this is where you ask when you have RTFM, searched google, searched the mailinglist archives and read the faq and still dont get it |
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| 21:13.12 | StijnT | anyway |
| 21:13.14 | StijnT | nuff said |
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| 21:13.25 | sep | Jaak, and even with all that this channel is rather high traffic |
| 21:13.27 | nkuttler | pfff |
| 21:13.28 | cokecan | What's going on guys? |
| 21:13.30 | usernameDeb02 | thanks dondelelcaro for feedback.. btw.. sadly i have no clue wtf a 'face browser' is.. much less where to configure it please? |
| 21:13.36 | Jaak | sep: yeah, i can see from most of the questions here than all people do that. |
| 21:13.41 | sep | Jaak, imagine 823 people asking abould ellementary dpkg problems.. |
| 21:13.46 | Jaak | example? alsa/nvidia anyone? |
| 21:13.53 | sep | Jaak, i dont say that all do, just that all should |
| 21:13.54 | usernameDeb02 | on linux 3 yrs and no mention of a face browser.. |
| 21:14.05 | dondelelcaro | usernameDeb02: you configure it in your /etc/X11/$(DM).conf or whatever is appropriate; which DM are you using? |
| 21:14.23 | Jaak | now, lets all be happy thank Mr. Jaak got his problem solved and whatch tele tubbies or something |
| 21:14.25 | usernameDeb02 | dondelelcaro, no clue.. gnome dtop here.. that relative ? |
| 21:14.30 | Ungy | damn I have reached the point where I really need to print any tips for hooking up to a network hp printer via Ip adress? |
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| 21:14.42 | dondelelcaro | usernameDeb02: you're probably using gdm, and have changed your gdm.conf away from the default. |
| 21:14.52 | sep | ungy use cups |
| 21:14.56 | usernameDeb02 | default gnome dtop debian sarge installation.. |
| 21:14.58 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: what type of network hp printer? |
| 21:15.07 | sep | !cups |
| 21:15.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 21:15.17 | Jaak | that* gowd... i spell awfully |
| 21:15.33 | dondelelcaro | usernameDeb02: uh, the default desktop doesn't use the face browser. |
| 21:15.41 | Ungy | dondecarlo an hp laserjet 1200 attached to a hp jetdirect 175x |
| 21:15.56 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: you can use either cups or lprng; either will work since that's a real live PS printer. |
| 21:15.58 | usernameDeb02 | not conciously dondelelcaro ?.. but thanks for the pointer.. ill google up gdm configs on debian.. thanks muchly mate ;] |
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| 21:16.44 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: if you use lprng, just add something like "lp|1220N|bwprinter\n :lp=raw@fooip:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:sh:nb=1:mc=10:rw:" to your /etc/printcap |
| 21:16.49 | Ungy | dondecarlo I have had cups installed for a while but I cannot figure out how to get to the printer |
| 21:17.05 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: run the cups setup, and point it at the IP of the printer. |
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| 21:17.20 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: if you don't know what the IP of the printer is, print the test page. |
| 21:17.32 | Ungy | I got the IP it can't find it |
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| 21:17.34 | thingfish | usernameDeb02: can you still select a pic if you click OK on the dialog mentioning the face browser? |
| 21:17.36 | dondelelcaro | (the jetdirect's test page, mind you) |
| 21:17.37 | morbius | asg: inside of /etc/pam.d/pure-ftpd there is alot |
| 21:17.52 | cokecan | Can anyone help me with getting sound? |
| 21:18.18 | streuner | cokecan: ask |
| 21:18.23 | gunnix | yea, do #apt-get install alsa-base , then alsaconf |
| 21:18.25 | morbius | cokecan: add the user to the 'sound' group |
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| 21:18.54 | usernameDeb02 | hey me helpful buddy thingfish !! ;] |
| 21:18.55 | streuner | cokecan: How did you installed debian? |
| 21:18.57 | gunnix | add user to audio group |
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| 21:19.04 | thingfish | hehe hi usernameDeb02 |
| 21:19.21 | usernameDeb02 | thingfish, gotta check rite back out now.. molata pal o mine.. thanks ;] |
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| 21:19.25 | s_ward | cokecan: make sure the volume is up/un-muted too |
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| 21:19.33 | thingfish | ok, later usernameDeb02. |
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| 21:19.49 | cokecan | How did I install Debian? Via DVD |
| 21:19.52 | usernameDeb02 | thanks dondelelcaro ciao for now.. |
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| 21:20.08 | streuner | cokecan: so Sarge? |
| 21:20.11 | cokecan | Well, the volume is up on my stereo |
| 21:20.18 | cokecan | Yes, Sarge |
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| 21:20.28 | streuner | cokecan: what kernel are you running actually? |
| 21:20.38 | Bauer | hmm 1857656 is 1.8 gb? |
| 21:20.45 | s_ward | cokecan: assuming alsa, use alsamixer (or the graphical gnome-alsamixer) |
| 21:20.57 | nkuttler | Bauer: 1857656 what? apples? |
| 21:21.00 | dondelelcaro | !convert 1.8 gibibytes to kibibytes |
| 21:21.02 | dpkg | 1.8 gibibytes is approximately 1.88744e+06 kibibytes |
| 21:21.12 | Bauer | when I do du cmd on dir |
| 21:21.16 | cokecan | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 21:21.16 | Bauer | it lists all subdirs etc |
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| 21:21.23 | Bauer | and then gives what I think is total |
| 21:21.28 | streuner | cokecan: use an 2.6.x kernel |
| 21:21.32 | dondelelcaro | Bauer: yes, man du; read about the -s and -h options. |
| 21:21.39 | cokecan | I can't get it installed :( |
| 21:22.09 | streuner | cokecan: what's that hard to run 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6' and install one of those? |
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| 21:22.34 | Bauer | it still writes like 1857656 |
| 21:22.35 | cokecan | I get a "no screens found" error upon boot |
| 21:22.36 | Bauer | with -h |
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| 21:22.50 | Bauer | oh sorry |
| 21:22.53 | Bauer | my bad :) |
| 21:22.56 | Bauer | thanks |
| 21:22.59 | streuner | cokecan: so you haven't a working X too? |
| 21:23.15 | cadu | hey |
| 21:23.21 | cokecan | I reinstalled Debian (after crashing it due to my stupidity) |
| 21:23.30 | cadu | how can i know what version a software is using dpkg ? |
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| 21:23.37 | dondelelcaro | cadu: dpkg -l foopackage |
| 21:23.51 | jim | cadu: also, dpkg can do lots of other things |
| 21:23.57 | streuner | cokecan: hm, what videocard do you have? (lspci -v | grep VGA) |
| 21:23.57 | jim | dpkg --help |
| 21:24.00 | sussudio | !do jim |
| 21:24.09 | jim | !badger |
| 21:24.18 | jim | there's no badger??! |
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| 21:24.55 | cokecan | I got this "0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0326(rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA])" |
| 21:24.58 | jim | what is wrong with the world?? where have all the badgers gone??!!! |
| 21:25.01 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: --help is <reply>Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 21:25.01 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: what are you talking about? |
| 21:25.03 | Xytek_ | Can any aplication in KDE play XviD encoded videos? |
| 21:25.15 | dondelelcaro | dpkg --help |
| 21:25.15 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 21:25.27 | Ungy | dondecarlo ok I added that stuff to the printcap so I have to restart anything now? |
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| 21:25.45 | jim | or a better synopsis is dpkg --help :) |
| 21:25.51 | Nebulous | okay, what are some neat things i can do with framebuffer consoles? :) |
| 21:25.55 | streuner | cokecan: some nvidia card are supported by xfree86 most not, but /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:26.05 | jim | since that does print an abbreviated list |
| 21:26.06 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: just restart lprng; then run lpq -v; then you can print with lpr. |
| 21:26.35 | streuner | cokecan: use the free version |
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| 21:26.45 | cokecan | What do you mean? |
| 21:26.45 | streuner | cokecan: less headaches |
| 21:26.54 | jim | also, it's not spelled with a leading cap :P |
| 21:26.55 | ngyc | hiya |
| 21:27.00 | streuner | cokecan: NOT those drivers by nvidia |
| 21:27.07 | ngyc | wha |
| 21:27.07 | cokecan | Oh :-D |
| 21:27.22 | cokecan | Then where from? |
| 21:27.30 | ngyc | what you al talk bout |
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| 21:27.39 | J_1 | people, anyone can tell me anyone software as dotproject(ms project like) ? |
| 21:27.52 | ngyc | um |
| 21:27.53 | streuner | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:27.53 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 21:27.59 | ngyc | :( |
| 21:28.00 | jim | ngyc: http://www.us.debian.org/intro/about |
| 21:28.30 | jim | J_1: info make |
| 21:28.31 | empty | On a Xeon dualproc system would my make flag be -j3 or -j5? |
| 21:28.52 | cokecan | My card is an nVidia GeForce FX5500 |
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| 21:29.07 | ngyc | WHAT are you talking bout |
| 21:29.14 | jim | J_1: linux/unix is VERY different than microsoft... you use make and edit makefiles to facilitate building projects |
| 21:29.19 | jim | ngyc: http://www.us.debian.org/intro/about |
| 21:29.32 | s_ward | !tell ngyc about debian |
| 21:29.36 | Marcion | question, is there a way I can install emacs 22, (the cvs version) automatically using synaptic? (Like there is in Gentoo portage) |
| 21:29.37 | Marcion | ? |
| 21:29.40 | cadu | !microsoft |
| 21:29.40 | dpkg | hmm... microsoft is a company that is primarily involved in the sale of software. Microsoft's operating systems are thought to be inferior to linux by many zealots, and flame wars occasionally errupt between zealots and realists on the issue. http://www.nimh.org/microsoft/, or 8==D |
| 21:29.45 | stew | jim: what does make have to do with dotproject? |
| 21:29.55 | cadu | eheheh |
| 21:30.13 | empty | stew, thankfully nothing ;) |
| 21:30.24 | cokecan | Oh my, I have to go. I have to leave for work. Streuner, will you be available in about 4 hours? |
| 21:30.36 | jim | !forget microsoft |
| 21:30.36 | dpkg | i forgot microsoft, jim |
| 21:31.07 | jim | don't teach it any flamebait pls |
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| 21:31.09 | streuner | cokecan: just ask in channel, here are more than 800 people, most of them are idlers, but there are many people who can help you |
| 21:31.34 | cokecan | Thank you very much |
| 21:31.36 | empty | !dpkg ricerfs |
| 21:31.36 | dpkg | methinks ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 21:31.37 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo microsoft |
| 21:31.37 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as microsoft, dondelelcaro |
| 21:31.44 | J_1 | jim: not, id dotproject.net |
| 21:31.44 | Marcion | don't worry, I figured it out |
| 21:31.45 | streuner | cokecan: you are welcome |
| 21:31.52 | Ae|-_GoD | Well, amarok worked smoothly, played everything till evening, I installed alsa, and now this: Error while intializing the sound driver: |
| 21:31.52 | Ae|-_GoD | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 21:31.52 | Ae|-_GoD | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
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| 21:31.57 | Ae|-_GoD | any ideas? (sorry for the paste) |
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| 21:32.15 | J_1 | jim: i am using dptproject for do taks and generated gantti graphical.. but i like know if exist another software as dotproject.. |
| 21:32.18 | J_1 | understand ? |
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| 21:33.04 | Ae|-_GoD | anyone? |
| 21:33.18 | jim | J_1: not exactly... I'm just saying that the original way to put projects together is to use make (-perhaps- dotproject writes makefiles?) |
| 21:33.18 | empty | Ae|-_GoD, try running alsaconf |
| 21:33.21 | streuner | Logi: how did you managed that? |
| 21:33.25 | Logi | I copied a bunch of amd64 executables over my /usr/bin folder and it had destroyed my dpkg before I could stop it |
| 21:33.35 | empty | Ae|-_GoD, also make sure you are in the "audio" group |
| 21:33.38 | Ae|-_GoD | empty: nah, I remove alsa, that was the problem. |
| 21:33.42 | Ae|-_GoD | empty: I did both. |
| 21:33.44 | Logi | so I can't reinstall the packages that got destroyed |
| 21:33.46 | Ae|-_GoD | any other solutions? |
| 21:33.58 | streuner | Logi: have fun with reinstalling |
| 21:34.01 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: ok, so you're switching from OSS sound driver to ALSA sound driver? |
| 21:34.01 | empty | Ae|-_GoD, well that exhausts y linux sound knowledge ;) Sorry |
| 21:34.02 | Ae|-_GoD | told you, that without alsa played smoothly. |
| 21:34.03 | Logi | could someone send me a recend i386 /usr/bin/dpkg ? |
| 21:34.06 | rking | Ae|-_GoD: /dev/dsp is the OSD compatability layer |
| 21:34.08 | Logi | recent |
| 21:34.14 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: YES! exactly |
| 21:34.21 | Ae|-_GoD | and something broken probably |
| 21:34.22 | Logi | streuner: the machine is actually more or less running |
| 21:34.28 | Ae|-_GoD | so any solution jim? |
| 21:34.28 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: and you -want- to do this? |
| 21:34.41 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: no, I want to return back, to OSS |
| 21:34.46 | rking | Ae|-_GoD: OSS i mean - you can run an OSS-from-alsa thingy... i think it's just a module |
| 21:34.48 | Logi | streuner: and I've got a list of the executables that need to be reverted, so it's just a matter of iterating over those, getting the package names from dpkg and apt-getting those |
| 21:34.49 | Ungy | dondecarlo you rock man thanks a lot |
| 21:34.50 | jim | oh, ok... |
| 21:34.56 | auk | jim, actually, that factiod on micrsoft was pretty mild |
| 21:34.59 | Ae|-_GoD | yeah, what should I do now? |
| 21:35.27 | Logi | streuner: but... dpkg is one of the executables that I massacred |
| 21:35.36 | jim | what kernel do you want to run/do you run now? |
| 21:35.37 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: any ideas? :-) |
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| 21:35.48 | streuner | Logi: reinstall |
| 21:35.50 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 21:35.51 | rking | Ae|-_GoD: try insmad snd-{mixer,pcm,seq}-oss |
| 21:35.58 | Logi | streuner: thanks for your input |
| 21:36.07 | Logi | would anyone like to help me out? it's just a quick /dcc |
| 21:36.18 | Ae|-_GoD | rking: is this a command? |
| 21:36.27 | rking | Ae|-_GoD: yep, run as root |
| 21:36.40 | Ae|-_GoD | rking: :s command not found buddy |
| 21:36.46 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: if you want, you can (sorta) do both, by using alsa and pulling in alsa's oss compatibility modules... would you be interested in that? |
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| 21:36.57 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: I want to play sounds :-P |
| 21:36.58 | rking | Ae|-_GoD: i meant "insmod" |
| 21:37.02 | Ae|-_GoD | again :) |
| 21:37.09 | Ae|-_GoD | wait to see |
| 21:37.17 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: so it doesn't matter as long as you can use sound? |
| 21:37.26 | Ae|-_GoD | malibu:/home/jesus# insmod snd-{mixer,pcm,seq}-oss |
| 21:37.26 | Ae|-_GoD | insmod: snd-mixer-oss: no module by that name found |
| 21:37.42 | Ae|-_GoD | rking: so? |
| 21:37.50 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: at the moment, I can't play any sound. |
| 21:38.03 | rking | Ae|-_GoD: maybe it's new in 2.6 kernels... take that one out and try again: insmod snd-{pcm,seq}-oss |
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| 21:38.04 | Logi | /dcc send Logi /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 21:38.06 | Logi | please? |
| 21:38.19 | vick | I did apt-get install x-window-system and then after downloading it went for 'retrying bug list and it found a bug in xdm' , is there a way in which apt-get could download a patch to fix that bug in xdm or is that not possible ? |
| 21:38.39 | Ae|-_GoD | rking: don't have a 2.6.* kernel |
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| 21:38.50 | vick | #314990 - xdm: cannot log in, that's the bug |
| 21:38.56 | rking | Ae|-_GoD: yeah, well, you don't need the oss mixer thing anyway |
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| 21:39.08 | Ae|-_GoD | so, what's going on now? |
| 21:39.12 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: find sth? |
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| 21:39.18 | rking | Ae|-_GoD: you probably don't need "seq" either, unless you need midi under oss |
| 21:39.21 | dupondje | is there a way to get 3rd party drivers build in into kernel ? :) |
| 21:39.23 | kittenbot | vick: kdm, gdm, or something? |
| 21:39.28 | rking | Ae|-_GoD: if you ran that command, try your previous sound stuff. |
| 21:39.39 | rking | Logi: i sent, but you haven't accepted |
| 21:39.41 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: ok, I'm still trying to get your preferences... meanwhile, here's what's happening kernelwise... the kernel people have decided to go with alsa as the main sound driver, and eventually kick oss out of the kernel, which might happen by 2.8 or 2.10 |
| 21:39.42 | PerfDave | vick: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 21:39.44 | s_ward | Logi: download it from a mirror |
| 21:39.45 | shingouz | Ae|-_GoD: i think it is snd-alsa-oss and use modprobe, not insmod |
| 21:39.49 | vick | PerfDave: 3.1, stable |
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| 21:39.56 | shingouz | rking: mddprobe, not insmod |
| 21:40.03 | Logi | rking: thanks a lot, sorry, I was looking the other way |
| 21:40.13 | Logi | s_ward: they'll have a nice debian package for it |
| 21:40.20 | warp4 | good afternoon all |
| 21:40.23 | Logi | s_ward: and the installer has it compiled in somehow |
| 21:40.27 | Ae|-_GoD | malibu:/home/jesus# modprobe snd-alsa-oss |
| 21:40.27 | Ae|-_GoD | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-alsa-oss |
| 21:40.39 | PerfDave | vick: Bugs in stable releases don't get fixed unless they're security holes. You should still be able to install the package. |
| 21:40.52 | vick | PerfDave: so i am ok ? |
| 21:40.55 | PerfDave | dupondje: Depends on the driver, which one did you have in mind? |
| 21:41.04 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: ok listen, everything worked great, till I did an apt-get install alsa in the evening, reboot my system and that's it. Now, I can't play aything. |
| 21:41.05 | vick | PerfDave: if it's a security hole can apt-get fix it ? and how ? |
| 21:41.07 | streuner | Logi: http://weda.mine.nu/dpkg |
| 21:41.07 | PerfDave | vick: I don'tk now if you're OK. Try reading the bug report. |
| 21:41.08 | rking | it's not snd-alsa-oss, it's snd-pcm-oss: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/updates/alsa/snd-pcm-oss.o |
| 21:41.09 | Ae|-_GoD | I removed alsa, but still the same problem. |
| 21:41.10 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: in short, the kernel people are deprecating oss, and are in the process of removing it from the kernel |
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| 21:41.23 | Ae|-_GoD | so what can I do now, in order to play sounds again? |
| 21:41.33 | jim | you have many choices |
| 21:41.36 | PerfDave | vick: If it's a security hole, then a new version of the package will be put on security.debian.org (which you should have in your sources.list) and you will pick it up next time you do an apt-get upgrade. |
| 21:41.37 | Ae|-_GoD | tell me |
| 21:41.51 | PerfDave | Gosh, Ae|-_GoD is bloody hard to read as a nick |
| 21:41.53 | dupondje | PerfDave: a driver for sata controller |
| 21:42.01 | jim | you could go with what you originally had, which you already said would be ok with you |
| 21:42.10 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: yeah, but how? |
| 21:42.14 | jim | you could completely switch to alsa |
| 21:42.18 | PerfDave | dupondje: What driver, what SATA controller? |
| 21:42.21 | vick | PerfDave: Why don't i just put security.debian.org 1st ? |
| 21:42.33 | PerfDave | vick: What are you talking about? |
| 21:42.41 | dupondje | Highpoint Rocketraid 2220 |
| 21:42.44 | jim | you could switch to alsa and use the compatibility modules so the old OSS-dependent stuff works too |
| 21:42.52 | vick | in /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 21:42.52 | jim | choose: |
| 21:42.54 | dupondje | drivers: http://www.highpoint-tech.com/BIOS%20%2B%20Driver/rr2220/Linux/rr2220-linux-src-1.0.tar.gz |
| 21:42.54 | dupondje | :) |
| 21:43.01 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: the first one, but how can I do it? |
| 21:43.06 | Ae|-_GoD | to go to the defaults |
| 21:43.12 | Ae|-_GoD | before the alsa. |
| 21:43.22 | Logi | streuner: thanks, but rking beat you to it :) |
| 21:43.45 | jim | I'm guessing you have alsa modules inserted in the kernel; you have to remove all of them first |
| 21:43.47 | rking | shingouz: why modprobe > insmod? |
| 21:43.51 | streuner | Logi: who is 'rking' ? |
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| 21:44.06 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: yeah, maybe, any "fast-bitch" way to remove 'em? |
| 21:44.07 | rking | streuner: "Who is rking"? i've killed men for less than that |
| 21:44.08 | jim | rking: it takes care of needed modules |
| 21:44.13 | empty | On a Xeon dualproc system would my make flag be -j3 or -j5? |
| 21:44.13 | sun_ | i have a deb with a dependency thats broken; the program works anyway, is there a way to tell aptitude to just leave it alone (right now it always says the dependency is broken and tries to remove it) |
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| 21:44.21 | Logi | streuner: /whois rking would work better :) |
| 21:44.34 | PerfDave | sun_: What broken dependency are you talking about? |
| 21:44.42 | shingouz | rking: i am not sure why insmod is deprecated, i do know that modprobe is "smarter" |
| 21:45.05 | sun_ | its a problem with libc versions, it doesnt matter for the program's functioning |
| 21:45.10 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: maybe, but nothing off the top of my head... you would just have to lsmod and modprobe -r them |
| 21:45.14 | PerfDave | dupondje: Hmm, it's not packaged for Debian, you probably need to compile it manually against a kernel source. Dunno, I'm not used to hardware that requires non-Free drivers. |
| 21:45.16 | gesker | Is there a place where I might find known issues with iptables on Debian. In particular problems on a 2.4 kernel v 2.6 kernel |
| 21:45.18 | kromagg | I'd like to disable the ipv6 tunneling in sarge, any pointers? |
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| 21:45.30 | PerfDave | gesker: The BTS? |
| 21:45.33 | jim | gesker: bug tracking system |
| 21:45.33 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: can you be a little bit more specific? please :) |
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| 21:45.48 | PerfDave | dupondje: You'll probably need a kernel-source package for the kernel you're running, though you might just get away with kernel-headers. |
| 21:45.52 | Logi | rking: sigh, it seems that my dpkg-query, dpkg-deb and dpkg-split are also broken, but the rest of the dpkg executables are fine. Would you? |
| 21:45.56 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: first look at the modules you have inserted (man lsmod) |
| 21:46.00 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: in lsmod there is nothing to do with alsa |
| 21:46.04 | Ae|-_GoD | .. |
| 21:46.09 | gesker | Thanks... I'll check it out. |
| 21:46.17 | jim | so no "snd-*"? |
| 21:46.30 | rking | Logi: not a problem... do you think you'll need anything else? |
| 21:46.36 | Ae|-_GoD | I told you, I have no sound at the moment. |
| 21:46.48 | Logi | rking: no... after that I can download and install the packages |
| 21:46.49 | sun_ | perfdave its a problem with libc versions, it doesnt matter for the program's functioning |
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| 21:46.55 | Logi | rking: that should boot-strap me |
| 21:46.58 | jim | that's not specific enough tho. did you actually check lsmod? |
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| 21:47.03 | dupondje | ParchDuck: i want to build that module into kernel |
| 21:47.16 | dupondje | cause it needs scsi module :( |
| 21:47.22 | vick | My mouse is ps2, is that /dev/psaux ? |
| 21:47.27 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: I did an "lsmod" and there is nowhere something named "alsa" or sth |
| 21:47.31 | k-man_ | is there an apt-gettable 2.6.13 kernel? |
| 21:47.33 | predius | Hey, I have an orig.tar.gz and a diff.tar.gz, how can I patch one with the other? |
| 21:47.34 | Ae|-_GoD | should I search for sth else? |
| 21:47.38 | k-man_ | for stable? |
| 21:47.39 | dupondje | but i need to build in scsi module in kernel, cause i have another sata controller where my root hdd is on |
| 21:47.44 | Logi | I got a 64-bit ubuntu working nicely today, except that the wireless won't work :-/ |
| 21:47.50 | dupondje | and i need to build that into kernel, else it doesn't boot ! |
| 21:47.55 | s_ward | vick, yes |
| 21:47.59 | shingouz | predius: man patch |
| 21:48.04 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: only this has to do with sound: soundcore 3268 0 (autoclean) |
| 21:48.05 | predius | tnaks. |
| 21:48.07 | predius | *thanks |
| 21:48.17 | streuner | Logi: why are saying this here? |
| 21:48.44 | Logi | streuner: it's semi-topical chat. That's how I got my 32-bit partition hosed |
| 21:48.50 | kromagg | anybody know how to disable the ipv6 tunneling driver? |
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| 21:49.03 | Mercyful-Fate | hi, I'm using sarge, how to allow auto bash colors? |
| 21:49.05 | cadu | kromagg: that happens here too...i wanna know :) |
| 21:49.06 | rking | kromagg: is it causing problems? |
| 21:49.22 | cadu | kromagg: Ipv6 tunneling driver (at startup) right ? |
| 21:49.24 | streuner | Logi: troll somewhere else |
| 21:49.28 | kromagg | cadu: yes |
| 21:49.29 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: anything starting with snd- |
| 21:49.30 | PerfDave | k-man_: No, there is no apt-gettable kernel for 2.6.13 for stable, and there never will be, from official repositories. |
| 21:49.30 | shingouz | Logi: so you are running ubuntu and you want us to help you? |
| 21:49.32 | cadu | -_- i wanna disable it too -_- |
| 21:49.36 | Shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 21:49.36 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 21:49.39 | Mercyful-Fate | and also, how to add users with higher case letters? |
| 21:49.39 | streuner | Logi: debian isn't Ubuntu |
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| 21:49.46 | Shadowcat | !basedondebian |
| 21:49.51 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: nothing |
| 21:49.52 | Shadowcat | !based on debian |
| 21:49.52 | kromagg | rking: I had some weird errors earlier, just want to avoid having to worry about it |
| 21:49.52 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 21:49.53 | Ae|-_GoD | so? |
| 21:49.54 | k-man_ | PerfDave, is there one from an unoficial repository? |
| 21:50.04 | PerfDave | k-man_: I have no idea. Why do you want it? |
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| 21:50.12 | jim | phone call; afk |
| 21:50.16 | Mercyful-Fate | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:50.21 | k-man_ | cos i'm too lazy to compile my own? |
| 21:50.26 | kromagg | rking: plus it seems to be slower |
| 21:50.42 | Shadowcat | k-man: if you're lazy you shouldn't be running a custom kernel |
| 21:50.50 | benjy | hey, speak anyone from you german ? |
| 21:50.55 | predius | shingouz: patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line |
| 21:50.58 | shingouz | !de |
| 21:50.58 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 21:50.58 | streuner | !de |
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| 21:51.11 | darkstego | I have a question, I installed sarge (net-installer) with kernel 2.4, can I just apt-get kernel 2.6 now? |
| 21:51.21 | shingouz | predius: so? i mean i have no clue what the question is |
| 21:51.22 | streuner | benjy: just speak english |
| 21:51.23 | Logi | streuner: I know. But I was leading up to wondering if anyone knew about any way in any linux (and ubuntu is linux) to get 64-bit windows wifi drivers to work |
| 21:51.29 | k-man_ | Shadowcat, but i have to to get the latest drivers for my dvb-t card.. and besides, i'm not going to debate with you whether i should or shouldn't use a custom kernel ;) |
| 21:51.33 | _olaf | what's a good mounting GUI app? |
| 21:51.33 | predius | patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line |
| 21:51.33 | predius | patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. |
| 21:51.36 | s_ward | "but beware, they're pretty friendly sometimes", hmm |
| 21:51.41 | Logi | or if I should either stay in 32-bits or get a supported card |
| 21:51.42 | kromagg | so nobody knows? |
| 21:51.45 | s_ward | *unfriendly |
| 21:51.47 | kromagg | I'll just go hunt around for it a bit |
| 21:51.47 | thingfish | darkstego: yes, you can. |
| 21:51.50 | jim | ok, back |
| 21:51.51 | Shadowcat | k-man_: I use a custom kernel |
| 21:51.51 | rking | OooOOooo, that's cool how the bot didn't double-respond to those "!de"'s |
| 21:51.52 | k-man_ | darkstego, yep, that worked for me at any rate |
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| 21:51.59 | PerfDave | k-man_: If you use this kernel, you won't get security updates for it. |
| 21:52.03 | Shadowcat | and I have 5 failed .configs to show for it |
| 21:52.05 | shingouz | predius: you *did* extract the files too? |
| 21:52.12 | predius | yes. |
| 21:52.23 | Shadowcat | heh security updates |
| 21:52.32 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: ok, the next thing to do is determine which driver for your sound card |
| 21:52.33 | shingouz | predius: maybe the original source or the diff is fucked. check them |
| 21:52.33 | k-man_ | PerfDave, but would i get security updates for any custom kernel? |
| 21:52.33 | rbochan | blah |
| 21:52.42 | jim | and insert that driver |
| 21:52.45 | predius | yeah, will do. |
| 21:52.46 | predius | thanks. |
| 21:52.49 | PerfDave | k-man_: Nope, that's why you should just stick with the kernel-image packages provided ;) |
| 21:52.50 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: .. driver? |
| 21:52.56 | Ae|-_GoD | damn' |
| 21:52.59 | jim | yes, driver! :) |
| 21:53.00 | k-man_ | PerfDave, no can do, i need a newer kernel |
| 21:53.02 | Shadowcat | not like I'm gonna receive them anyway |
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| 21:53.17 | afflump | how can i have a full nautilus window (with sidebar and location bar) wenn i click on the home-folder desktop icon? |
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| 21:53.19 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: so what should I do? modprobe? or what? |
| 21:53.22 | jim | you must have it; it's in your kernel |
| 21:53.24 | k-man_ | PerfDave, anyway, this is for my mythtv box, its not going to be running as a server on the net or anything |
| 21:53.39 | Ae|-_GoD | the way to success? |
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| 21:53.56 | PerfDave | k-man_: *shrug* Well, it's up to you. Don't come whining to us when you (a) fuck it up or (b) get r00ted ;) |
| 21:53.58 | braniff | k-man, myth box with debian ?? |
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| 21:54.04 | gesker | most entries on bts for iptables are very old. Basically, NAT stops working when I use a 2.6 kernel. When I downgrade to 2.4 nat works again. Any ideas.. |
| 21:54.07 | k-man_ | PerfDave, yeah, ok.. .whats the url? |
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| 21:54.16 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: have to figure out which driver for your sound card |
| 21:54.18 | PerfDave | k-man_: For what? |
| 21:54.23 | Shadowcat | gesker: redo the setup? |
| 21:54.24 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: how can I do this? |
| 21:54.28 | jim | try this first tho... cat /dev/sndstat |
| 21:54.32 | jim | you get anything? |
| 21:54.43 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device |
| 21:54.45 | stew | gesker: which 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:54.45 | jim | (don't paste the output, just look at it) |
| 21:54.46 | Ae|-_GoD | nah |
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| 21:54.48 | gesker | Shadowcat: Not sure what you mean... sorry to be dense.. |
| 21:54.54 | jim | ok, so there's no driver installed |
| 21:54.58 | Ae|-_GoD | duh :s |
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| 21:55.02 | gesker | stew: 2.6.11 |
| 21:55.04 | k-man_ | PerfDave, i thought you were about to point me to an apt-getttable 2.6.13 kernel? |
| 21:55.07 | stew | gesker: one that you compiled? |
| 21:55.08 | Ae|-_GoD | and how it played the sounds before the alsa? |
| 21:55.12 | Ae|-_GoD | it removed the driver? |
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| 21:55.18 | Shadowcat | gesker: redo the stup so it's 2.6 compatible |
| 21:55.20 | ForrestF | what package do i need to read from a mac os 10.1 hardrive |
| 21:55.22 | ForrestF | this is for datarecovery |
| 21:55.34 | gesker | stew: no its a 'stock' kernel |
| 21:55.35 | Shadowcat | ForrestF: package? |
| 21:55.39 | Shadowcat | you need to mount the drive |
| 21:55.43 | ForrestF | a deb package |
| 21:55.44 | jim | you must have done somethign that removed the driver (which was a necessary step before going to alsa, btw) |
| 21:55.47 | Shadowcat | that's what you need to do |
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| 21:55.53 | gesker | Shadowcat: original setup was for 2.6.8 -- very basic |
| 21:55.56 | stew | gesker: can you be more specific than "stops working" |
| 21:55.58 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: so what's my next step? |
| 21:56.04 | ForrestF | but what file system do i list is as |
| 21:56.11 | jim | determine what sound card you have |
| 21:56.28 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 05) |
| 21:56.32 | jim | then, determine which driver for that sound card |
| 21:56.40 | shingouz | !ac97 |
| 21:56.40 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 21:56.53 | PerfDave | k-man_: I already told you that I have no fucking idea where you might find such a thing, because I'm not retarded enough to use spurting-edge kernels :) |
| 21:56.55 | gesker | the inside network can't see certain outside sites. For instance www.yahoo.com is OK but mail.yahoo.com fails |
| 21:56.57 | jim | ok, that's good specific info |
| 21:57.01 | Ae|-_GoD | so? |
| 21:57.02 | cddesjar | anyone know of a website (maybe at debian.com) that compares apt-get and aptitude |
| 21:57.07 | Ae|-_GoD | with this info what I should do |
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| 21:57.13 | shingouz | Ae|-_GoD: look at what dpkg said. there should be information on the driver you need |
| 21:57.16 | jim | try modprobe i810_audio |
| 21:57.16 | ForrestF | what filesystem do i list my mac os 10.1 hd as |
| 21:57.27 | PerfDave | cddesjar: There might be such a thing on http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 21:57.29 | Shadowcat | ForrestF: use fdisk to find out |
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| 21:57.42 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: huh something dumped from my headphones |
| 21:57.42 | ForrestF | theres a fdisk in debian |
| 21:57.46 | Ae|-_GoD | let's see |
| 21:57.51 | jim | dumped? |
| 21:57.56 | Shadowcat | ForrestF: yes |
| 21:57.57 | Ae|-_GoD | eeeeeeh |
| 21:57.58 | Shadowcat | !fdisk |
| 21:57.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, fdisk is the universal problem solver, see http://www.fdisk.it for more information. ALL HAIL FDISK! |
| 21:57.59 | jim | you heard somethign? |
| 21:58.00 | Ae|-_GoD | something listened |
| 21:58.00 | ForrestF | ok |
| 21:58.01 | Ae|-_GoD | yeas |
| 21:58.09 | Shadowcat | and no it's not the Microsoft version |
| 21:58.15 | cddesjar | thanks PerfDave, i am currently using aptitude instead of apt-get but only because someone recommended aptitude over apt-get |
| 21:58.15 | Shadowcat | so you better know how to use linux fdisk |
| 21:58.23 | gesker | stew: also sites like our bank and ebay also fail |
| 21:58.27 | Shadowcat | aptitude rocks |
| 21:58.34 | Shadowcat | then again |
| 21:58.45 | Shadowcat | don't try using aptitude when you're running debian unstable |
| 21:58.51 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: wait |
| 21:58.51 | Shadowcat | unless you really WANT things to break |
| 21:58.54 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: ok, now we make it permanent... first, modprobe -r i810_audio |
| 21:58.55 | cddesjar | i'm running testing |
| 21:59.02 | jim | to remove it temporarily |
| 21:59.02 | cddesjar | and using aptitude |
| 21:59.08 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: why to remove it? |
| 21:59.18 | stew | gesker: were you able to determine if it was dns or network in general that was failing? |
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| 21:59.21 | jim | to arrange to insert it on every boot |
| 21:59.35 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: wait to see if I can play sounds |
| 21:59.39 | jim | there was no message when you did the modprobe? |
| 21:59.42 | jim | ok |
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| 21:59.53 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: no output when I did modprobe i810_audio |
| 21:59.56 | Ae|-_GoD | what does this mean? |
| 22:00.00 | jim | success |
| 22:00.10 | Ae|-_GoD | wait |
| 22:00.14 | gesker | stew: the problem seems to be very general. When I drop to 2.4.27 things are fine. However, I'd like to be on 2.6 just because the rest of my network is on 2.6 |
| 22:00.15 | jim | no ouput ==usually success |
| 22:00.52 | jim | you might also try looking at cat /dev/sndstat again |
| 22:01.11 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: kmix works, too |
| 22:01.23 | jim | and did not before? |
| 22:01.28 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: no |
| 22:01.29 | BourneAgain1 | Is there anyway to control what is displayed with the up and down arrows in the shell. Someway to load a cached set of command lines I want to use for a particular purpose? |
| 22:01.36 | gesker | stew: also when I'm on 2.6 I can reach sites that I usually don't visit -- just to make sure its not DNS |
| 22:01.42 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: but.. malibu:/home/jesus# cat /dev/sndstat |
| 22:01.42 | Ae|-_GoD | cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device |
| 22:01.45 | Ae|-_GoD | :p |
| 22:01.51 | jim | still? |
| 22:01.54 | Ae|-_GoD | yes |
| 22:01.58 | jim | hmm, wonder what's going on |
| 22:02.03 | Ae|-_GoD | let me see If I can listen to mp3 |
| 22:02.11 | jim | did you modprobe -r it? |
| 22:02.12 | PerfDave | BourneAgain1: If you want a cached set of command lines, write a script ;) |
| 22:02.21 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: no I didn't do a -r? |
| 22:02.25 | jim | ok |
| 22:02.25 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: no I didn't do a -r. |
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| 22:02.31 | stew | gesker: sounds very very odd. have you checked the bts for the kernel? have you tried other 2.6 versions? |
| 22:02.37 | Ae|-_GoD | I have to do this? |
| 22:02.40 | Ae|-_GoD | modporbe -r? |
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| 22:02.50 | Vyrus001 | Immolo: my server is all wired.. ther eis just an accsess point plugged into the router to get the wifi thing gouing |
| 22:02.51 | vick | I installed X, and then i started it and i got 'twm' |
| 22:02.53 | jim | well, you can test first if you want |
| 22:03.00 | Vyrus001 | im running a dhcpd server with iptables for internet connection shareing, all of my systems can get online exept my laptop (over wifi). it gets to the network and i can see through ethereal that packets are getting to my dhcpd on my debian box.. but it can NOT get an ip, anybody have some idea's? |
| 22:03.01 | vick | I want to work with fluxbox |
| 22:03.04 | jim | but I don't understand why no sndstat |
| 22:03.12 | Ae|-_GoD | Yes! |
| 22:03.15 | Ae|-_GoD | I have sound! :-) |
| 22:03.15 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: :) heh, I just wanted it to give a quick set of frecquently used commands that I could use at the command line. |
| 22:03.22 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: I hear ya. |
| 22:03.27 | jim | ok, good |
| 22:03.34 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: I have to do modprobe -r i810_audio? |
| 22:03.35 | Ae|-_GoD | now? |
| 22:03.36 | gesker | stew: haven't checked bts for kernel only iptables. I was originally on 2.6.8 which seemed ok -- as in no users complained. |
| 22:03.36 | cddesjar | has anyone had any luck getting synaptic to work on testing? every time i try it i get an error, so i removed it. i don't remember the error now of course. |
| 22:03.36 | BourneAgain1 | :P |
| 22:03.48 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: Is the dhcpd listening on the wireless interface? |
| 22:03.50 | jim | yes, we might as well make sure it's permanent |
| 22:04.03 | stew | gesker: what you are experiencing doesn't sound like a problem with iptables the binaries, but with netfilter, the kernelspace stuff |
| 22:04.09 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Did you check the BTS for synaptic? |
| 22:04.10 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: malibu:/home/jesus# modprobe -r i810_audio |
| 22:04.10 | Ae|-_GoD | i810_audio: Device or resource busy |
| 22:04.12 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: I thought it would be neat if the cache could be cleared and loaded with stuff from a file. |
| 22:04.13 | Ae|-_GoD | grrrrr :p |
| 22:04.23 | stew | gesker: so why not stick with 2.6.8? |
| 22:04.27 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: so something is running |
| 22:04.33 | jim | maybe it's not -r |
| 22:04.36 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: the wifi is simply an acsess point on the lan... not from the system |
| 22:04.36 | BourneAgain1 | PerfDave: Given the nature of linux users I am tempted to believe such a thing exists. |
| 22:04.43 | streuner | !nickometer Ae|-_GoD |
| 22:04.43 | dpkg | 'Ae|-_GoD' is 99.790% lame, streuner |
| 22:05.12 | vick | Is twm something like fluxbox ? |
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| 22:05.21 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: kmix was running, I did modprobe -r i810_audio, and no output, so success? |
| 22:05.21 | Ae|-_GoD | streuner: thanks |
| 22:05.22 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: How does this access point work? |
| 22:05.22 | gesker | stew: no major reason I have quite a few debian machines here and like to keep things the same. I'd just hate to downgrade... |
| 22:05.31 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: and it was on before... all that happend is my dad turned the dsl router so i had to restart ags (iptables) and the ppp0e interface |
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| 22:05.56 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: lsmod to see if it succeeded, but: no output is a good success indication usually |
| 22:05.58 | k-man_ | PerfDave, yeah, ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 22:06.04 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: with -r I remove it. |
| 22:06.05 | stew | gesker: yeah, i hear you, thats why i try to stick with the kernel released in stable... |
| 22:06.07 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: it;s just an acsess point pluged into a hub along with the wired systems that go to eth0 on the deb box that runs dhcpd and iptables internet connection sharing |
| 22:06.13 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: then eth1 goes to the dsl modem |
| 22:06.15 | jim | it only squaks when something is bad :P |
| 22:06.26 | kromagg | anybody figure it out yet what's causing the tunneling driver to get loaded? |
| 22:06.29 | Ae|-_GoD | yeah, but now with -r it seems that we removed it jim |
| 22:06.33 | Ae|-_GoD | coz I can't play sounds |
| 22:06.34 | kromagg | I'd just like to use ipv4 and be done with it |
| 22:06.45 | jim | ok, hold on just one sec |
| 22:06.48 | FieldySnuts | chmod 0000 the "driver" (module) then |
| 22:07.06 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: How does the access point work? Is it an ethernet bridge, or does it work at layer 3? |
| 22:07.13 | vick | How can i make fluxbox as default with xdm ? |
| 22:07.19 | gesker | stew: the great thing about debian is that testing (and even unstable) always seem so stable. |
| 22:07.19 | jim | is there a "better" (or newer) modconf? for sarge I think |
| 22:07.20 | vick | instead of twm |
| 22:07.32 | PerfDave | gesker: Until it doesn't and blows up your system ;) |
| 22:07.48 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: I did modprobe i810_audio and it works now, so with -r we remove that, how can we make it permament? |
| 22:07.49 | stew | or something critical like firewalling stops workign... |
| 22:07.49 | dogmeat | any good security analysis tools available for assessing potential server threats? i've heard nmap was good as a port scanner, and there was a package to check and see if a debian install had been compromised (but forgot the name of it) ? |
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| 22:08.07 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: run modconf |
| 22:08.19 | gesker | PerfDave, stew: I guess I'm learning these things happen on debian too. |
| 22:08.40 | PerfDave | dogmeat: nmap, aide, tripwire, chkrootkit, logcheck, snort... there are hundreds of them |
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| 22:08.45 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: no such command |
| 22:08.47 | dogmeat | PerfDave: thanks |
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| 22:09.09 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: ethernet bridge |
| 22:09.20 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: you could install it... apt-get install modconf |
| 22:09.20 | WiFiTux_ | Hi, is there an app in the Sarge installer to write 00's to the HD? I need to clean it up. It looks like is not taking the installation |
| 22:09.28 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: just an ad-hoc that relays all opackets through the hub |
| 22:09.39 | shingouz | WiFiTux_: dd |
| 22:09.40 | s_ward | WiFiTux_, dd? |
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| 22:09.49 | jim | btw, you wouldn't be more comfortable just editing the config files, would you? |
| 22:09.50 | stew | cp |
| 22:09.56 | btwotch | how to use w3m-img with gpm? |
| 22:10.04 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: sure, but I just start to download it |
| 22:10.07 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: i just plugged it into my lan network over the hard line and i still cant get an ip |
| 22:10.32 | WiFiTux_ | shingouz: hhmm do you have the rest of the command? :) I just need to clear the HD totally, it might even have bad sectors. |
| 22:10.35 | BourneAgain1 | replace the contents of .bash_history with the commands you want ... that was simple |
| 22:10.44 | s_ward | WiFiTux_, what's going wrong? It probably doesn't require you to zero the HDD |
| 22:10.47 | shingouz | WiFiTux_: man dd |
| 22:10.48 | jim | ok, well... let's let modconf do it this time, but watch the file before and after to see what it does |
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| 22:11.03 | stew | btwotch: hit o for options and enable mouse, hit ok |
| 22:11.04 | shingouz | WiFiTux_: use if=/dev/zero |
| 22:11.18 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: I run modconf, what I have to select there?> |
| 22:11.23 | cddesjar | here is my synaptic error |
| 22:11.23 | WiFiTux_ | s_ward: it fails to install sarge. I have tried with other media, and cd readers... |
| 22:11.24 | cddesjar | http://pastebin.com/328773 |
| 22:11.25 | stew | WiFiTux_: cp /dev/zero /dev/hdXX |
| 22:11.28 | cddesjar | could someone check it out |
| 22:11.36 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: look for the sound card driver |
| 22:11.42 | vick | How can i make the fluxbox to be the default with xdm ? Thanks in advance. |
| 22:11.46 | stew | WiFiTux_: but they are correctly, its not likely to fix anything |
| 22:11.49 | s_ward | WiFiTux_, any clues as to what happens, like error messages? |
| 22:11.56 | cddesjar | vick: install kdm it does it magically |
| 22:11.57 | shingouz | stew: that does not work, it just fills the partition with zeroes, dd nukes the whole drive |
| 22:11.58 | jim | i810-ac97? what was the driver name again? |
| 22:12.09 | cddesjar | vick: i think you'll need to edit a file in /etc/X11 |
| 22:12.09 | WiFiTux_ | s_ward: not really. it can't copy files and sometimes says is the CD fault |
| 22:12.10 | stew | shingouz: huh? |
| 22:12.18 | jim | Ae|-_GoD: poke around, try to find it |
| 22:12.30 | stew | shingouz: there is a difference between dd if=a of=b and cp a b ? |
| 22:12.35 | shingouz | stew: two completely different things to fill hda or hda1 with zeroes |
| 22:12.45 | Xik0 | hi, i can't write the characters which are down the numbers in my keyboard.. is there an option on my xfree86 file? |
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| 22:13.07 | Ae|-_GoD | i810_audio |
| 22:13.11 | jim | ahh |
| 22:13.21 | Ae|-_GoD | Intel +ICH audio support |
| 22:13.22 | Ae|-_GoD | I find it |
| 22:13.25 | stew | shingouz: you mean i should have said cp /dev/zero /dev/hdX ? |
| 22:13.29 | jim | before you actually commit the change, use another window and do: |
| 22:13.33 | jim | cat /etc/modules |
| 22:13.37 | shingouz | stew: afaik that does nto work |
| 22:13.37 | jim | and look at it |
| 22:13.39 | btwotch | stew: Ok, in options it is activated. having pressed 'o', mouse works, but not on www.google.de |
| 22:13.48 | jim | then use modconf to insert the module |
| 22:13.51 | s_ward | WiFiTux_, "sometimes says is the CD fault" -- so there _are_ error messages? |
| 22:13.52 | jim | then look again |
| 22:13.58 | stew | shingouz: define "doesn't work"? |
| 22:14.22 | shingouz | stew: it does not fill the whole drive with zeros. that way does not work |
| 22:14.31 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: well, I press enter in i810_audio and the popup of modconf says: Remove the module from kernel |
| 22:14.35 | Ae|-_GoD | why? |
| 22:14.35 | rouven | hello everybody. my syslogd crashed and now it refuses to start. i'm confused and clueless. please take a look at the strace on http://paste.debian.net/1454 |
| 22:14.49 | Ae|-_GoD | maybe it is already permanent? |
| 22:14.52 | jim | it thinks it's installed... go ahead and remove |
| 22:14.54 | jim | maybe. |
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| 22:15.07 | shingouz | stew: the whole point of the excercise ist to fill the whole drive with zeros and to do that you need to fill it bitwise thus dd |
| 22:15.14 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: so that's it? I have to do sth else? |
| 22:15.14 | WiFiTux_ | s_ward: not really |
| 22:15.21 | vick | cddesjar: if i already have xdm, and i did apt-get install kdm, will kdm be the default or xdm ? |
| 22:15.25 | jim | reinsert after removing |
| 22:15.32 | jim | to test, reboot |
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| 22:15.37 | PerfDave | vick: When you install kdm, it will ask you which one you wish to use as defauly. |
| 22:15.40 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: why to remove it? :) |
| 22:15.46 | jim | just to make sure |
| 22:16.04 | Ae|-_GoD | ok let's go ahead |
| 22:16.29 | Ae|-_GoD | Installation succeeded. |
| 22:16.30 | Ae|-_GoD | done |
| 22:16.33 | jim | ok... then if you're done in modconf, exit |
| 22:16.44 | cddesjar | vick: select kdm when it asks which one you want as default and kdm will automatically recognize any new window managers you install or remove |
| 22:16.44 | stew | shingouz: if dd is bitwise, what is cp? |
| 22:16.52 | jim | and keep exiting until you're back at your prompt |
| 22:17.01 | cddesjar | has anyone checked out my syanptics error? |
| 22:17.04 | Ae|-_GoD | jim: thank you very much buddy :-) |
| 22:17.08 | jim | then if you want to test, reboot |
| 22:17.25 | FieldySnuts | hint for an op: might want to ban *!*@ichameleongroup-h2-cust.host.net , several channels are seeing attempted clone floods from there |
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| 22:17.36 | jim | so that's it.... btw, you gained some extra information along the way |
| 22:17.41 | acetech | does anyone know the name of the utility to activate kernel modules with a graphical utility? |
| 22:18.18 | PerfDave | cddesjar: /msg dpkg sux |
| 22:18.24 | acetech | essentially. i need a util to run modprobe |
| 22:18.36 | PerfDave | acetech: Why do you need a GUI to use modprobe? |
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| 22:18.41 | jim | you do??!~ |
| 22:18.42 | websdale | acetech:do you mean module-assistant |
| 22:18.46 | shingouz | stew: i said "afaik" if you think dd == cp and your command will fill the drive with zeroes, ok, i stand corrected. i have not tried copying zeroes onto the drive like you suggest, i just force them onto the drive with dd |
| 22:18.58 | jim | !info module-assistant sarge |
| 22:19.03 | dpkg | module-assistant: (tool to make module package creation easier), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.9 (sarge), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
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| 22:19.08 | acetech | PerDave, because i dont know which module is for the wifi card |
| 22:19.18 | jim | no, that;s not it |
| 22:19.19 | PerfDave | acetech: And why do you think a GUI would help with that? |
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| 22:19.59 | PerfDave | acetech: Why are you dicking around with modprobe anyway? |
| 22:20.00 | acetech | PerfDave, because i used the util before and it helps to pick the right module |
| 22:20.02 | shimano55 | Question, Does anyone here play KQ??? Cause I can't seem to get the sound to work...but I can use xmms and stuff, and the sound works |
| 22:20.04 | jim | cause he wants pointyclicky? |
| 22:20.14 | PerfDave | acetech: What util? |
| 22:20.19 | ThePiratemaster | hey all |
| 22:20.23 | cddesjar | PerfDave: you think i need to install sux? |
| 22:20.24 | acetech | PerfDave, it is someone less experienced with linux that I am helping out |
| 22:20.44 | s_ward | WiFiTux_, I'm not too sure, you could try running mkfs.ext2 -c from a bootable CD (debian+switch tty or knoppix) |
| 22:20.48 | chealer | cddesjar: not necessarily, but you can't *launch* synaptic as root |
| 22:20.51 | Logi | is there a way to tell apt-get to download and install a package even if it believes it to be up to date? |
| 22:20.55 | PerfDave | cddesjar: That would avoid the error you're having, which isn't a synaptic error. |
| 22:21.02 | acetech | PerfDave, that is why i came here to look |
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| 22:21.09 | s_ward | WiFiTux_, -c checks for bad blocks, apparently |
| 22:21.18 | PerfDave | acetech: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 22:21.18 | cddesjar | what's the command to run synaptic as a regular user? |
| 22:21.19 | shimano55 | I guess nobody plays it :) |
| 22:21.25 | PerfDave | cddesjar: synaptic :) |
| 22:21.29 | ThePiratemaster | how do i rerun the installation configuration agian |
| 22:21.38 | ThePiratemaster | baseconfig or something? |
| 22:21.40 | WiFiTux_ | s_ward: thanks |
| 22:21.43 | chealer | Logi: unlikely |
| 22:21.57 | cddesjar | it tells me command not found |
| 22:21.58 | PerfDave | ThePiratemaster: base-config, as root |
| 22:22.05 | ThePiratemaster | with the - |
| 22:22.08 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 22:22.09 | ThePiratemaster | :P |
| 22:22.10 | Logi | chealer: it wouldbe useful, though, when you know a file is corrupt |
| 22:22.11 | chealer | cddesjar: $ synaptic |
| 22:22.14 | PerfDave | cddesjar: How did you install synaptic? |
| 22:22.39 | chealer | oh, he's right |
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| 22:23.03 | stew | shingouz: cp /dev/null /dev/hda doesn't work becuase cp quits when it gets the first char from /dev/null, but cp /dev/zero /dev/hda only quits when it runs out of room on hda |
| 22:23.20 | chealer | looks like you can't execute synaptic from CLI so easily |
| 22:23.28 | websdale | cddesjar:I use gksu synaptic from a launcher on the desktop |
| 22:23.37 | levander | I want to write a bunch of directories to a CD, but I don't want mkisofs to put the contents of the directory in the iso. I want it to put the directories I specify themselves in there. This can be done? |
| 22:23.42 | jim | module-assistant is for building module packages installable on a debian |
| 22:23.44 | chealer | cddesjar: try $ gksu -u root /usr/sbin/synaptic |
| 22:23.46 | websdale | cddedjar:or you could type it on the CLI |
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| 22:23.53 | shingouz | stew: in that case i stand corrected. now if you check the drive with fdisk and find it without a partition table it should be ok |
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| 22:24.23 | delysid25 | anyone know if there would be any problems if i change my repositories to unstable, install xorg, and then go back to testing? |
| 22:24.25 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: u still thre :P |
| 22:24.32 | chealer | Logi: that would probably depend which file would be corrupt |
| 22:24.58 | chealer | !tell delysid25 about quick etch/sid mix |
| 22:25.16 | cddesjar | apt-get install synaptic |
| 22:25.16 | cddesjar | argh...it tells me i must run synaptic as root |
| 22:25.17 | cddesjar | i tried to launch it by ./synaptic |
| 22:25.19 | cddesjar | do i need to install sudo? |
| 22:25.29 | cddesjar | it says -u command not found |
| 22:25.40 | shimano55 | Question, Where can I get help with linux games? |
| 22:25.55 | ThePiratemaster | try cedega |
| 22:26.03 | websdale | cddesjar: just type "gksu /sur/sbin/synaptic" |
| 22:26.04 | delysid25 | i will wait for xorg to become testing....whever that may be |
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| 22:26.10 | cddesjar | gksu doesn't seem to be a recognized command |
| 22:26.14 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: Yes? |
| 22:26.20 | uwe | why is there a 2.4 and a 2.6 kernel with debian, is 2.6 unstable or not enough tested? |
| 22:26.20 | chealer | cddesjar: what's the exact error? |
| 22:26.22 | websdale | cddesjar: sorry /usr/sbin |
| 22:26.22 | PerfDave | shimano55: What sort of Linux games? |
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| 22:26.31 | s_ward | shimano55, tried google? |
| 22:26.41 | shimano55 | Perfdave, specifically KQ...can't get the sound to work |
| 22:26.42 | ThePiratemaster | uwe, some ppl need it |
| 22:26.42 | PerfDave | cddesjar: Did you try sux yet? |
| 22:26.55 | ThePiratemaster | for quota on reiserfs for example |
| 22:26.56 | PerfDave | shimano55: KQ? |
| 22:26.57 | chealer | uwe: 2.6 is not stable and somehow new |
| 22:27.01 | cddesjar | nope not yet PerfDave |
| 22:27.01 | jim | anything that installs a package or writes to not-your-home-dir would require that you be root |
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| 22:27.12 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: jut wondering if u had anything else for me to try |
| 22:27.15 | websdale | cddesjar: you could do "apt-get gksu" then |
| 22:27.23 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: seems like its a network problem cus i cant get on from lan eather |
| 22:27.28 | uwe | chealer, Thanatermesis :so i shouldnt use it? |
| 22:27.44 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: *shrug* Try asking your question again, and don't bother with the wifi part if you're not using the wifi. |
| 22:27.52 | Thanatermesis | hu ? |
| 22:27.54 | jim | so, you arrange that your user can do what is needed without being able to change things about shared resources |
| 22:27.58 | shimano55 | perfdave, Ya, its in synaptic |
| 22:28.23 | uwe | the 2.6 , ie for productivity server |
| 22:28.24 | jim | who's hu? |
| 22:28.25 | chealer | uwe: that's not what I said. |
| 22:28.26 | PerfDave | shimano55: Fair enough. Sorry, I've not used it. |
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| 22:28.44 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: basicly my laptop cant get an ip from my debian dhcpd |
| 22:28.57 | Shadur | Is it me, or did alsa break really badly in the latest update? |
| 22:29.10 | chealer | uwe: I was talking about Debian-style stability. 2.6 is the development branch of linux |
| 22:29.21 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: when i pacet sniff i see the discover from the lapptop and then the request from the server but the lappy dosent listen.. it just keeps sendingd disvocer requests |
| 22:29.30 | jim | uwe: does your hardware require 2.6? do you have sata drives/controllers, for example? |
| 22:29.42 | Shadur | shadur@bahamut:/var/cache/apt/archives/ > sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 22:29.42 | Shadur | sh: /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install: No such file or directory |
| 22:29.47 | cddesjar | that worked thanks guys! i installed gksu |
| 22:29.49 | cddesjar | and voila! |
| 22:29.53 | chealer | Shadur: how can we guess which release you're using? |
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| 22:29.57 | Shadur | sid. |
| 22:29.59 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: I already told you I don't have any idea, address the channel with your question, not me. |
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| 22:30.14 | uwe | um, my machine supports sata , but i have no sata hds! |
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| 22:30.27 | WiFiTux_ | hey, while installing sarge from 40mb version, it crashes installing wget as it shows in vty3 |
| 22:30.36 | WiFiTux_ | /var/cache/apt/variables/wget_1.9.1-12_i386.deb |
| 22:30.38 | acetech | websdale: thanks for letting me know about the module-assistant |
| 22:30.46 | WiFiTux_ | Invalid arguments |
| 22:30.46 | Epod69 | hi, could someone give me a one liner apt-get to installing kde on a fresh installed debian 3.1 |
| 22:30.47 | Epod69 | ? |
| 22:30.51 | cddesjar | shouldn't gksu be included with synaptic if it depends on gksu? |
| 22:30.56 | chealer | Shadur: what's wrong with the sarge/etch packages? |
| 22:31.02 | jim | 2.4.25 or thereabouts is the recommended sarge kernel... 2.6.8 is there in case it can be of help with supporting hardware (probably among other reasons) |
| 22:31.06 | WiFiTux_ | Epod69: apt-get install kde |
| 22:31.10 | uwe | u actually already installed debian with 2.6, and i was wondering if i should install a dual boot with 2.4 for any reason! |
| 22:31.11 | s_ward | apt-get install kde ? |
| 22:31.12 | acetech | apt-get install kde |
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| 22:31.22 | uwe | *i |
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| 22:31.31 | chealer | cddesjar: it doesn't depend on gksu. you could run synaptic as root with sux, for example. |
| 22:31.36 | Kitty-Kun | i think it's apt-get install kdebase isn't it? |
| 22:31.41 | Stereo | hi folks |
| 22:31.41 | cddesjar | i see |
| 22:31.43 | Epod69 | wifitux, ok, i did that... and when i log into kde from kdm, it freezes during the loading of kde... =( |
| 22:31.43 | Kitty-Kun | sux? :P |
| 22:31.45 | jim | uwe: does your 2.6 seem solid? |
| 22:31.52 | cddesjar | well why isn't it recommended then? |
| 22:31.52 | chealer | Epod69: ask #debian-kde |
| 22:31.57 | WiFiTux_ | Epod69: then is something else |
| 22:32.00 | cddesjar | or maybe it was |
| 22:32.00 | Vyrus001 | my windows xp system can not get an ip from my debian dhcpd, it sends a dhcp discover and the server replys, then intead of getting an ip, it sends the discover request again? |
| 22:32.00 | liquid_ | anyone using cacti deb on sarge? |
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| 22:32.26 | uwe | jim, for the first 30 minutes , yes :) |
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| 22:32.32 | jim | and then? |
| 22:32.32 | Epod69 | wifitux, i cant figure out what could be wrong...last time i did the desktop setup it worked fine.. |
| 22:32.35 | Nebulous | Vyrus001: are the clocks on the two machines relatively in sync? |
| 22:32.38 | chealer | cddesjar: that's why it's only recommended |
| 22:32.43 | uwe | jim, im in minute 31 :) |
| 22:32.48 | newdebusr | I want to test my email to see if mdadm -F warning messages will get to me... I just set up exim4 but don't know if i set it up correctly |
| 22:32.50 | jim | oh :) |
| 22:32.52 | Vyrus001 | Nebulous: i think... |
| 22:32.54 | Epod69 | i just dont want gnome and all the other application crap that gets installed with it |
| 22:33.00 | jim | it will probably be ok :) |
| 22:33.03 | Vyrus001 | Nebulous: u mean like bios clocks ? |
| 22:33.03 | Kitty-Kun | Does anyone know where i can find .deb packages of limewire or oOo? |
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| 22:33.14 | Vyrus001 | Kitty-Kun: use giftd |
| 22:33.20 | Kitty-Kun | eh? |
| 22:33.21 | chealer | Kitty-Kun: what's oOo? |
| 22:33.27 | Kitty-Kun | Openoffice.org |
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| 22:33.31 | WiFiTux_ | is there a channel that could help me with debian sarge installation? |
| 22:33.36 | Nebulous | Vyrus001: yes, or whatever the operating system says/thinks the time is. I've been dealing with daemons that are very picky about time differences |
| 22:33.38 | chealer | Kitty-Kun: in the main archive? |
| 22:33.40 | Vyrus001 | Kitty-Kun: google for giftd... plugin based p2p system, suports limewire |
| 22:33.44 | cddesjar | what does the debian logo mean in synaptic? |
| 22:34.00 | chealer | cddesjar: that the package is in main |
| 22:34.18 | cddesjar | and a green block means its installed? |
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| 22:34.28 | cddesjar | versus a white one which means not installed? |
| 22:34.32 | Epod69 | kitty-kun, im sure you have to add non-free or something other to your sources.list |
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| 22:34.36 | Epod69 | to get limewiere |
| 22:34.38 | Epod69 | limewire* |
| 22:34.41 | Nebulous | Vyrus001: my only other thought is that the xp machine isn't hearing the DHCP server's response |
| 22:34.45 | s_ward | Kitty-Kun, /msg dpkg info openoffice.org |
| 22:34.57 | jim | you'll also need a java |
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| 22:35.24 | chealer | cddesjar: Go in "Help" -> "Icons legend" |
| 22:35.25 | Kitty-Kun | No |
| 22:35.28 | Phroziac | this is probably a strange request, sorry. The cdrom drive sucks and stops working in the middle of my base install, i have to unplug its power and plug it back in to make it work again. i'm doing the install over ssh... |
| 22:35.28 | Kitty-Kun | it's pretty full >.> |
| 22:35.35 | Nebulous | Vyrus001: are they on the same subnet, can you ping the xp machine from the dhcp server, all that? |
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| 22:35.42 | Phroziac | And i'm wondering if i can use a cd thats in another computer on the lan (the one im ssh'd from actually) |
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| 22:36.15 | Nebulous | Phroziac: if you can nfs mount it, yes. you might be able to do it if you put it up on ftp or http as well |
| 22:36.40 | Epod69 | can using the nv drivers cause problems with xfree86.., i have a nvidia geforce mx4000 video card.. |
| 22:36.41 | Vyrus001 | Nebulous: time was off... changed on the server and worked fine... thanx man :P |
| 22:36.54 | Nebulous | Vyrus001: wow, i was actually right. I thought it was a longshot, lol |
| 22:37.00 | Phroziac | ah, ok. if i put that on http, what will happen when i need to swap discs though? |
| 22:37.07 | Epod69 | i changed videos cards since my last install, i used nv on my last install without a problem |
| 22:37.29 | chealer | Epod69: possibly, if there are bugs in it |
| 22:37.30 | Stereo | I'm having trouble booting from a 3ware 7006-2 card with debian's plain 2.6.8-16 kernel image. When I boot from the raid card, it complains about not being able to open /dev/console, even though crw------- 1 root tty 5, 1 Jul 29 10:18 /mnt/raid/dev/console and -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 47K Jan 1 1970 /mnt/initrd/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/3w-xxxx.ko . what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:37.34 | s_ward | Epod69, it _can_ do, but then so can using any other drivers.. check your /var/log/XFree86.0.log for warnings and errors |
| 22:37.41 | Vyrus001 | Nebulous: me too |
| 22:37.50 | cddesjar | does synaptic automatically update every time it's opened? |
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| 22:37.53 | Vyrus001 | Nebulous: what ever works |
| 22:37.58 | Vyrus001 | :P |
| 22:38.03 | cddesjar | and prompt me there are upgrades waiting? |
| 22:38.06 | chealer | cddesjar: by default, it updates the package list |
| 22:38.07 | Epod69 | s_ward, oh, i reboots, doesnt freeze..so i dont think any error log would be created |
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| 22:38.12 | lildude | any trouble put kbe on sarge |
| 22:38.12 | Epod69 | it* |
| 22:38.16 | Logi | chealer: I suppose it might depend on that |
| 22:38.18 | chealer | cddesjar: it doesn't prompt you |
| 22:38.23 | cddesjar | ok cool |
| 22:38.31 | Logi | anyway, I've re-installed the packages whose binaries I'd corrupted and all is well |
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| 22:38.32 | Nebulous | Vyrus001: might be a good time to install ntp-server :) |
| 22:38.32 | sun_ | hi anyone using ion3, when i hit alt-t the frame doesnt get tagged |
| 22:38.34 | Logi | thanks |
| 22:39.10 | s_ward | Epod69, so it works then? |
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| 22:39.38 | Epod69 | s_ward, oh, yea, kdm comes up just fine, when i log into kde, it hard reboots during loading |
| 22:39.38 | Nebulous | now, I have some new problems/difficulties with the kerberos packages *evil grin* |
| 22:40.09 | Nebulous | i'm probably going to write a book about this if I ever get it figured out. |
| 22:40.26 | s_ward | Epod69, I know nothing about KDE loading.. maybe it's doing some hardware detection that doesn't play nice? |
| 22:41.11 | FieldySnuts | i updated my e17-cvs install today. there is a menu editor, however nothing shows up on the menus. any ideas? |
| 22:41.21 | FieldySnuts | wrong damn channel, ignore |
| 22:41.26 | Epod69 | well when i went through the xfree86 setup, it said it couldnt detect my video card type, so i had to enter which driver to use and all |
| 22:41.30 | s_ward | Nebulous, do, keep notes :) |
| 22:42.12 | Nebulous | I have my kerberos realm working properly. clients with tickets are able to connect to the ssh-krb running on it without being prompted for a password. But I can't get this behavior on the other server in the realm. It's running ssh-krb, is set up to authenticate to the kerberos KDC, has a host principal on the KDC and a krb5.keytab file exported from the KDC, but it still prompts for a password even if the user has a ticket |
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| 22:42.48 | Nebulous | that was a mouthful |
| 22:42.52 | Nebulous | or a fistful... |
| 22:43.59 | s_ward | Epod69, you can start X though? Have you tried without KDE, say just by starting an xterm or twm? |
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| 22:44.38 | websdale | Epod69:does the splash screen appear or does it reboot immediately after you login at kdm? |
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| 22:46.05 | Kitty-Kun | how do i get a gui for gift? |
| 22:46.29 | Epod69 | i can start x, the splash screen shows in kde loading, it reboots during the loading perefreals |
| 22:46.32 | Epod69 | *cant spell |
| 22:46.39 | Guerin | !tell kitty about search |
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| 22:46.43 | Guerin | !tell Kitty-Kun about search |
| 22:47.31 | Kitty-Kun | just tell me |
| 22:47.49 | Kitty-Kun | because i prefer having somebody recommend one |
| 22:47.50 | jim | Kitty-Kun: just search |
| 22:47.55 | websdale | Epod69:have you looked at your logs in /var/log etc. ? |
| 22:48.10 | liran | is there a way to flush the dns cache? |
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| 22:48.17 | _metaperl | hello, I have a PCMCIA wireless card and I am not able to connect to the encrypted network at our house. Here is the resul/msg dpkg wireless |
| 22:48.22 | _metaperl | oops |
| 22:48.40 | liran | _metaperl: did you input a wireless wep key for it? |
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| 22:48.48 | FieldySnuts | badgers |
| 22:48.58 | Nebulous | Kitty-Kun: http://gift.sourceforge.net/software/guis.mhtml |
| 22:48.58 | _metaperl | liran: I dont know what that is or how to do it :) |
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| 22:49.15 | jim | Kitty-Kun: because helpers don't prefer answering questions that have been answered over and over again (like where is package x) |
| 22:49.17 | _metaperl | the feedback on lists.debian.org was to put in an essid |
| 22:49.27 | liran | _metaperl: well thats a bit of a problem. how are you trying to connect to it? |
| 22:49.36 | _metaperl | ifup eth2 |
| 22:49.39 | liran | _metaperl: iwpriv/iwlist/iwconfig? |
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| 22:49.58 | _metaperl | iwconfig is at the URL http://www.hcoop.net/~terry/tmp/wireless/day-2/session-2.txt |
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| 22:50.22 | ViaD | When a ftpd is configures with the the default port. 21, it uses port 20 to transfer files... If one use another port, ex 12000, what is the transfer port then? Or how to find out? |
| 22:50.27 | _metaperl | liran: the results of iwconfig are there |
| 22:50.39 | Nebulous | Kitty-Kun: Apollon (kde) or giftui |
| 22:50.53 | Kitty-Kun | ok |
| 22:50.59 | Kitty-Kun | let me rephrase that |
| 22:51.01 | bernouli | i have a box FW as a router, i run iptables to use masquerading. Box A, which has privat ip, go thorugh FW to internet. would it work, if i send packet to internet with spoofed address? |
| 22:51.05 | Kitty-Kun | which one would you recommend? |
| 22:51.19 | shingouz | rtfm or apt-cache search |
| 22:51.23 | Nebulous | none. I haven't used gift. i might start now. I'll probably try apollon first. |
| 22:51.26 | Fab_Parma | how to resize/move a partirion est3? |
| 22:51.34 | bernouli | would FW automatically change its local ip to internet ip? |
| 22:51.39 | liran | ViaD: port 21 is for active, 20 is for passive. whats the question exactly? |
| 22:51.42 | streuner | Fab_Parma: try (qt)parted |
| 22:52.35 | jim | bernouli: you'd probably want to firewall and log any such attempt |
| 22:52.36 | FieldySnuts | you end up needing both no matter the mode |
| 22:52.47 | nkuttler | _metaperl: get the wireless-tools, man 7 wireless, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:52.51 | jim | bernouli: otherwise, why would you want to do that? |
| 22:52.59 | Fab_Parma | streuner, thank you |
| 22:53.12 | cureless | bernouli: depends on the rules of your firewall. |
| 22:53.13 | bernouli | jim, i run tcpdump, i see there the manipulated source ip wont be changed |
| 22:53.16 | Fab_Parma | streuner, ill tri it now |
| 22:53.20 | Kitty-Kun | ok |
| 22:53.30 | Kitty-Kun | where's it install to? gift, i mean |
| 22:53.33 | cureless | bernouli: but if it doesn't change the ip to the internet ip you won't get any replies. (establish any connection) |
| 22:53.38 | bernouli | jim, i am doing a little projekt |
| 22:53.47 | Nebulous | oh sweet, unstable k3b works again |
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| 22:53.51 | liran | _metaperl: right. so as you can see eth2 is your wireless card and you need set it's attributes with iwconfig. |
| 22:53.57 | bernouli | cureless, yes, my question is, would the FW change every local ip? |
| 22:53.58 | ViaD | Oh, thanx <liran> |
| 22:54.02 | jim | bernouli: yeah? to do what? |
| 22:54.08 | _metaperl | yes, the encryption and the essid |
| 22:54.11 | cureless | bernouli: it depends on your masquerading/NAT rules |
| 22:54.12 | _metaperl | I dont know what an essid is |
| 22:54.17 | bernouli | jim, to test a firewall |
| 22:54.22 | liran | _metaperl: like to put in a key, you'd type iwconfig eth2 key 00000000000 |
| 22:54.25 | jim | mmhmm |
| 22:54.26 | _metaperl | liran: what is an essid and arent there many types of encryption? |
| 22:54.27 | liran | _metaperl: right |
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| 22:54.37 | liran | _metaperl: ssid is the name of your network |
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| 22:54.48 | _metaperl | oh, so ask the people who own the wireless for a key? |
| 22:54.57 | liran | _metaperl: check out this link http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Wireless_networking |
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| 22:55.01 | ecobit | should the debian directory in a source tree be capitalized or not? |
| 22:55.07 | liran | _metaperl: ofcourse, you must know it if you don't have it |
| 22:55.09 | jim | no. |
| 22:55.10 | cureless | Eclipser: no |
| 22:55.15 | cureless | ecobit: ^^^ |
| 22:55.23 | _metaperl | liran: can you add that to !wireless ? |
| 22:55.29 | streuner | ecorbit: only for good reasons |
| 22:55.32 | _metaperl | right now, it has a link to the hp page only |
| 22:55.38 | bernouli | cureless, wait a second, i ll paste my iptables-restore |
| 22:55.42 | ecobit | i ran dpkg-deb and it compained DEBIAN/control not found, but there is debian/control what gives? |
| 22:55.43 | cureless | bernouli: nooo |
| 22:55.54 | liran | _metaperl: not really sure it's up to me heh |
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| 22:56.05 | jim | bernouli: to http://rafb.net/paste? ok |
| 22:56.36 | streuner | ecorbit: what are you trying? |
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| 22:57.15 | ecobit | streuner: dpkg-deb --build myapp-0.0.1 |
| 22:57.32 | mrwill | supposing I add a new disk, and I want to mount /var on it -- would the proper thing to do be to bring the system to single user-mode, mount the new disk somewhere else (say /mnt/newdisk), mv all the files from /var, mount the new disk on /var, then go back to multiuser? |
| 22:57.34 | _metaperl | dpkg: wireless-more is http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Wireless_networking |
| 22:57.34 | dpkg | okay, _metaperl |
| 22:57.38 | Caesar | ecobit: Any reason why you aren't using dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 22:57.41 | _metaperl | !wireless-more |
| 22:57.41 | dpkg | i heard wireless-more is http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Wireless_networking |
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| 22:57.46 | GreenCult | hi all |
| 22:57.50 | ecobit | Caesar: no |
| 22:57.57 | bernouli | http://pastebin.com/328813 |
| 22:57.57 | Caesar | ecobit: Give that a shot then |
| 22:57.59 | GreenCult | somebody can hel me? |
| 22:58.13 | nkuttler | GreenCult: just ask |
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| 22:58.22 | ecobit | Caesar: thanks |
| 22:58.29 | s_ward | mrwill, mount the new disk somewhere temporarily, copy from /var, then change your fstab to the new disk |
| 22:58.29 | liran | there we go. |
| 22:58.41 | liran | anyway, im heading home, laters. |
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| 22:59.04 | cureless | bernouli: who wrote those rules? |
| 22:59.06 | mrwill | s_ward: so I shouldn't delete the files from the old /var, that space will be freed automatically? |
| 22:59.07 | s_ward | mrwill, there should be no need to go into single user mode |
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| 22:59.13 | bernouli | cureless, me self :) |
| 22:59.30 | mrwill | s_ward: besides the fact that lots and lots of other processes would be using /var if I didn't? |
| 22:59.31 | s_ward | mrwill, no, it won't be freed |
| 22:59.35 | cureless | bernouli: why are you using /255.128.0.0? |
| 22:59.46 | bernouli | it is a test project |
| 22:59.50 | Phated | Wow. Ew. |
| 22:59.57 | s_ward | mrwill, you can free it on next boot, when /var is on your new disk |
| 23:00.09 | cureless | bernouli: strange test project. |
| 23:00.23 | bernouli | i have two networs, 10.0.0.0/24 and 10.128.0.0/24 |
| 23:00.44 | saboteur | lol |
| 23:00.45 | abrotman | but that's wrong |
| 23:00.52 | bernouli | they are connected with firewall with 10.0.0.0/9 and 10.128.0.0/9 |
| 23:01.00 | mrwill | s_ward: how do I remove the files in the old /var, when /var is the new one? sorry if that question seems dense. |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | 24 bits of netmask is 10.x.x.x .... |
| 23:01.32 | s_ward | mrwill, is /var currently on its own partition? |
| 23:01.33 | abrotman | bernouli: your netmask is probably wrong |
| 23:01.46 | Phated | Ehm? /24 is 10.0.0.x. |
| 23:01.50 | Nebulous | you probably want a netmask of 18 or so (without doing the math) |
| 23:01.52 | bernouli | abrotman, no, fist box has 10.0.0.2/24, second has 10.128.0.2/24 |
| 23:01.53 | abrotman | erm wait .. |
| 23:01.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:02.04 | abrotman | bernouli: ignore me .. i was coding today :) |
| 23:02.08 | mrwill | s_ward: good question - I don't think so, I think / is just one big partition. |
| 23:02.09 | Kitty-Kun | but i want to use limewire... and the latest version of openoffice.org |
| 23:02.16 | Kitty-Kun | the only way to get them is rpm... >.< |
| 23:02.20 | abrotman | bernouli: though .. i still think that's wrong .. my initial impression was wrong |
| 23:02.28 | Nebulous | Kitty-Kun: unfortunately debian will never be good for the latest version of things |
| 23:02.42 | cureless | bernouli: anyway, basically just tell your firewall to masquerade only the addresses you want. |
| 23:03.02 | mrwill | s_ward: I really think I'm going to have to delete the files in the old /var if I want the space back. |
| 23:03.26 | bernouli | abrotman, i do it already with -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/9 -j MASQUARADE |
| 23:03.31 | Kitty-Kun | ... |
| 23:03.34 | Kitty-Kun | >.< |
| 23:03.39 | s_ward | mrwill, ok, then you can mount the device containing / in /mnt, and delete the contents of /mnt/var (for example) |
| 23:03.39 | bernouli | i try with -i eth0, but it didnt show me anything |
| 23:03.45 | Kitty-Kun | it's not too far behind with testing >.> |
| 23:03.51 | bernouli | it shows me from anywhere to anywhere |
| 23:03.54 | bernouli | should it ok? |
| 23:04.09 | Nebulous | Kitty-Kun: you can try using alien to install rpms |
| 23:04.09 | websdale | Kitty-Kun: you can convert rpms to debs with alien - I've downloaded oOo 2.0 beta & done that |
| 23:04.28 | abrotman | \/9 is different than /24 |
| 23:04.31 | bernouli | 10.0.0.0/9 nets is my "intranet" 10.128.0.0/9 is my "internet" |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | /9 |
| 23:04.43 | abrotman | whatever .. not my network .. have fun |
| 23:04.49 | Kitty-Kun | apt-get install alien? |
| 23:04.49 | jerome | Kitty-Kun: or you can compile it by yourself, using the .tgz or .zip archives |
| 23:04.56 | Kitty-Kun | There aren't any... |
| 23:04.59 | jerome | I won't recommend it for OOo |
| 23:05.02 | Kitty-Kun | at least not that i can find ... |
| 23:05.06 | Kitty-Kun | won't recommend what? |
| 23:05.07 | bernouli | abrotman, as i said, it is just a projekt, i dont even have it on a real network |
| 23:05.08 | scarynetworkguy | That is the most fucked up thing I've seen all day and I've seen some vry fucked up things today. |
| 23:05.08 | Nebulous | why /9 and not something 'cleaner' like /8 ? |
| 23:05.09 | cureless | bernouli: ok, so what's your question again? and why are you doing DNAT? |
| 23:05.10 | mrwill | s_ward: not sure I can really do that -- I absolutely have to boot off /, this is a remote machine. |
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| 23:05.17 | jerome | but for limewire, it seems ok to compile it |
| 23:05.24 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: debian has OO.o |
| 23:05.28 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: ? |
| 23:05.30 | cureless | Nebulous: he can't use /8 with 10. 'cause then he would have only 1 network. |
| 23:05.31 | Kitty-Kun | but NOT THE LATEST VERSION |
| 23:05.48 | abrotman | well .. FFS .. go use gentoo |
| 23:05.48 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: bernouli's subnetting. |
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| 23:05.51 | bernouli | cureless, the DNAT is also a test, wether the "internet" can access a box in intranet with running service |
| 23:05.53 | Nebulous | why not /16 then? it's a much happier number |
| 23:05.54 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: yeah .. well |
| 23:06.00 | bernouli | i dont need it anyway |
| 23:06.02 | mrwill | s_ward: anyway, thanks for your ideas, you've helped me think some more about this. |
| 23:06.06 | abrotman | Nebulous: that's a stupid thing to say :) |
| 23:06.16 | cureless | Nebulous: now that is what we all want to know... |
| 23:06.20 | Nebulous | i'm quite adept at saying stupid things |
| 23:06.23 | s_ward | mrwill, after you have mounted the new disk at /var, do: mount <root-device> /mnt ; rm -r /mnt/var |
| 23:06.25 | Nebulous | especially late in the afternoon |
| 23:06.27 | bernouli | now, if i send packaet from intranet with spoofed address, would firewall masquarade it? |
| 23:06.32 | s_ward | mrwill, correction |
| 23:06.35 | abrotman | Nebulous: he apparenlty has some silly reason to use an odd netmask ;) |
| 23:06.36 | Kitty-Kun | Why isn't there just ONE standard? |
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| 23:06.46 | abrotman | standard of what? |
| 23:06.50 | s_ward | mrwill, rm -r /mnt/var/* |
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| 23:06.56 | Nebulous | Kitty-Kun: because everyone thinks that their standard is the best |
| 23:07.00 | jerome | Kitty-Kun: because that would be eugenism. |
| 23:07.14 | bernouli | cureless, you got my question? |
| 23:07.18 | mrwill | s_ward: oh, wait, I can mount the root device more than one place at a time, that's what you mean, right? |
| 23:07.18 | Kitty-Kun | everything in linux is a competition. Whether it's directly or indirectly |
| 23:07.19 | cureless | bernouli: it shouldn't... if your address is not 10.0.0.0/255.128.0.0 |
| 23:07.26 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: go fucking use windows .. shut up |
| 23:07.29 | s_ward | mrwill, correct :) |
| 23:07.30 | websdale | Kitty-Kun:Its still way better than windows |
| 23:07.36 | Kitty-Kun | of course it is |
| 23:07.37 | mrwill | s_ward: gotcha! thanks. |
| 23:07.38 | abrotman | god .. whine whine whine |
| 23:07.42 | abrotman | fucking dipshit |
| 23:07.42 | Kitty-Kun | it's just |
| 23:07.48 | Nebulous | bernouli: what are you trying to do again? my brain got lost in the numbers, but it looks like you are trying to do something simliair to what i have |
| 23:07.56 | Kitty-Kun | things like kde and gnome, those are GOOD things to have separate |
| 23:07.58 | bernouli | cureless, if i ping from intranet to "internet", i can see that the fw masquarade it |
| 23:07.59 | abrotman | if you don't like it .. write something better .. or pay .. stop whining |
| 23:08.03 | Kitty-Kun | b/c they're pretty different |
| 23:08.08 | bernouli | Nebulous, test a configuration of a firewall |
| 23:08.11 | Nebulous | bernouli: you are trying to set up 2 subnets, one will be NATed/masqueraded ? |
| 23:08.13 | cureless | bernouli: from what address? |
| 23:08.14 | Kitty-Kun | but deb and rpm serve the same purposes |
| 23:08.20 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: you're wrong |
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| 23:08.24 | bernouli | from 10.0.0.1/24 |
| 23:08.25 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: they do not |
| 23:08.31 | abrotman | !tell Kitty-Kun about why debian |
| 23:08.32 | bernouli | erm, 10.0.0.2/24 |
| 23:08.42 | cureless | bernouli: that will be obviously masqueraded since it fints in 10.0.0.0/9 |
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| 23:08.44 | Kitty-Kun | they both serve to aid in the addition of software, correct? |
| 23:08.46 | cureless | s/fints/fits |
| 23:08.51 | ixion | are there any windows help channels around here? |
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| 23:09.03 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: so does msi .. and tgz .. and .bin .. lots of them .. |
| 23:09.04 | FieldySnuts | not on this network |
| 23:09.13 | ixion | do you know of a network that does? |
| 23:09.17 | mrwill | Kitty-Kun: well... you are missing a lot of details. |
| 23:09.22 | cmatheson | hey this is a little OT, but i'm setting up my new debian mail server (using a mysql backend), and i'm what on earth is the query to just change the value of a column in one row? |
| 23:09.24 | ixion | or how to change fsmo roles of a 2003 server :p |
| 23:09.27 | bernouli | cureless, 10.0.0.2/24 is in the scope of 10.0.0.0/9 |
| 23:09.30 | FieldySnuts | nope, not something I deal in. probably any other network except freenode |
| 23:09.35 | abrotman | Kitty-Kun: there are dozens of package formats .. and apparently you're not looking closely enough to understand the differences .. or you're too dense |
| 23:09.37 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck ixion |
| 23:09.41 | cureless | bernouli: yes. |
| 23:09.43 | FieldySnuts | come on apt |
| 23:09.46 | jerome | cmatheson: UPDATE ? |
| 23:09.46 | FieldySnuts | apt: test |
| 23:09.46 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 23:09.52 | bernouli | cureless, so that it will be masquaraded |
| 23:09.52 | Kitty-Kun | but |
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| 23:09.56 | abrotman | ~fuck FieldySnuts |
| 23:09.58 | FieldySnuts | that's pretty lame, somebody is deleting a lot of apts factoids |
| 23:09.59 | cmatheson | jerome: probably so thanks (i'm just not used to sql) |
| 23:10.01 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: nope |
| 23:10.10 | cureless | bernouli: yes (I assume you're asking questions, but next time try to use a "?" at the end) |
| 23:10.11 | FieldySnuts | course, if I did that, i'd be ignored or banned |
| 23:10.14 | abrotman | ~listkeys fuck |
| 23:10.14 | Kitty-Kun | nvm |
| 23:10.20 | FieldySnuts | unequal treatment, i'm used to it |
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| 23:10.21 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: yep .. deleted |
| 23:10.29 | Epod69 | 10.0.0.2/24 = 255.255.255.248, am i right ? |
| 23:10.31 | jerome | cmatheson: have a look at mysql documentation for UPDATE |
| 23:10.35 | abrotman | apt: tell me about factinfo cmd: fuck (.*?) |
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| 23:10.39 | bernouli | Epod69, no, 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:10.42 | cmatheson | jerome: looking at it now, this is what i want thanks |
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| 23:10.46 | FieldySnuts | ~fgi Epod69 ip subnet calculator |
| 23:10.49 | jerome | cmatheson: mysql&postgresql doc pages are really neat |
| 23:10.54 | FieldySnuts | oh come ON! |
| 23:10.55 | FieldySnuts | god damn |
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| 23:11.03 | cureless | Epod69: what? a /24 network is 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | @test |
| 23:11.05 | larsie | Hey, what does 'consesus' mean? |
| 23:11.09 | FieldySnuts | somebody is making apt more useless daily, surely that's bot abuse |
| 23:11.10 | abrotman | ravenbird: test |
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| 23:11.16 | websdale | Epod69:did you get anywhere with your kde problem? |
| 23:11.16 | Epod69 | with the /24? |
| 23:11.22 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: test |
| 23:11.23 | ravenbird | bugger all, i dunno, FieldySnuts |
| 23:11.24 | cmatheson | jerome: yeah i've been using the tutorial there on dev.mysql.com, it's really excellent documentation (although the search bar could be a little better...) |
| 23:11.25 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: only matters if you can find out who |
| 23:11.29 | FieldySnuts | @fgi Epod69 ip subnet calculator |
| 23:11.31 | bernouli | cureless, now, it is very curious, that if i send a spoof packet, the fw wont masquarade it |
| 23:11.31 | jerome | larsie: consensus ? |
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| 23:11.35 | s_ward | !dict consensus |
| 23:11.35 | FieldySnuts | geez. |
| 23:11.36 | dpkg | Dictionary 'consensus' Consensus \Con*sen"sus\, n. [L. See Consent.] Agreement; accord; consent. |
| 23:11.38 | Epod69 | i found out the chicago mirror i was using is for testing |
| 23:11.42 | larsie | jerome, yeah, my dictonary doesn't find this word. |
| 23:11.44 | FieldySnuts | oh well if apts owner cared they'll figure it out |
| 23:11.47 | Epod69 | so i am going to reinstall with a different mirror |
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| 23:11.52 | larsie | Ah.. thanx dpkg :--) |
| 23:11.56 | larsie | You are a true botfriend |
| 23:11.58 | cureless | bernouli: what is the curious part? If you don't tell the fw to masquerade it it wont do it. |
| 23:12.00 | shingouz | !fgi Epod69 ip subnet calculator |
| 23:12.02 | dpkg | Epod69: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ip subnet calculator |
| 23:12.14 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: maybe apt ignores you? |
| 23:12.17 | FieldySnuts | that should convert " " to %20 , might not work in some browsers |
| 23:12.21 | FieldySnuts | no, responds to test |
| 23:12.27 | FieldySnuts | those factoids were removed, recently |
| 23:12.32 | websdale | Epod69:good luck :) |
| 23:12.33 | bernouli | cureless, if i ping to "outside", it will be masquarade, it wont work only with my own created packet |
| 23:12.34 | Epod69 | why use the "/" if its a 255.0 ? |
| 23:12.50 | FieldySnuts | it's common and proper to use CIDR |
| 23:12.53 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: they were? why. they are useful occasionally :( |
| 23:12.54 | FieldySnuts | even then |
| 23:12.55 | jim | netmask is longer to type? |
| 23:13.01 | bernouli | cureless, i thought i have told him with those rules, since ping works |
| 23:13.10 | cureless | Epod69: the /24 indicates what part of the address is the network address. |
| 23:13.18 | jerome | larsie: usually, it implies that people have to make some resignations to reach the consensus. An accord/treaty might be forced. |
| 23:13.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i wonder what version apt is .. |
| 23:13.43 | Epod69 | im getting my a+, and it says that a /28 indicates 255.240.. |
| 23:13.50 | cureless | bernouli: I think we're making a mess. Which packets/ips _are_ being masqueraded? and which are not? |
| 23:13.58 | FieldySnuts | "it"? |
| 23:14.12 | Epod69 | yes it =P, the book |
| 23:14.13 | cureless | Epod69: you mean ....255.240 |
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| 23:14.21 | ryden | hi! :) |
| 23:14.22 | Epod69 | did i not do that |
| 23:14.32 | jim | Epod69: 255.255.255.240 |
| 23:14.42 | Epod69 | yea, i shortened it ok =P |
| 23:14.50 | jim | 8 + 8 + 8 + 4 |
| 23:14.55 | ryden | Hey, Do you know if is possible to get the aarich driver for debian, or if there is any other compatible driver? |
| 23:14.56 | cureless | Epod69: but you shortened it the wrong way. |
| 23:15.05 | abrotman | !8+8+8+4 |
| 23:15.05 | dpkg | 28 |
| 23:15.08 | abrotman | jim: see! :) |
| 23:15.11 | Epod69 | i dont even want to go into the confusing pointless math,why not just leave it 0? |
| 23:15.12 | Kitty-Kun | hey |
| 23:15.19 | jim | ok :) |
| 23:15.38 | Kitty-Kun | what's the package name for java runtime environment? |
| 23:15.44 | cureless | Epod69: because you sometimes need to have smaller/bigger networks |
| 23:15.46 | abrotman | !tell Kitty-Kun about install java |
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| 23:16.00 | bernouli | cureless, i try to ping from A (10.0.0.2/24) to B (10.128.0.2/24) through C (10.0.0.1/9 and 10.128.0.1/9), i can see on B that the ping is coming from C (10.128.0.1/9), so that i assume that masquarading is working |
| 23:16.02 | Epod69 | kitty-kun, you need to install it from sun.java |
| 23:16.04 | jim | it's confusing because you're missing background... having same, you'd see the point |
| 23:16.13 | Epod69 | unless you do blackdown i beleave.. |
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| 23:16.19 | abrotman | !tell Epod69 about install java |
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| 23:16.36 | IcE-bOy | hi |
| 23:16.42 | abrotman | Epod69: java-package is quite nice |
| 23:16.43 | Epod69 | why are you telling me =P |
| 23:16.46 | ryden | IcE-bOy, 1700 saludos |
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| 23:16.49 | cureless | bernouli: that's right. |
| 23:16.53 | abrotman | Epod69: because you're giving the wrong answer to him |
| 23:16.54 | bernouli | now, if i send my own packet, i see that on B side, the packet is coming from A, so it is not masquareded |
| 23:16.55 | IcE-bOy | :D |
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| 23:17.06 | ryden | IcE-bOy, conoces el driver aarich? |
| 23:17.14 | Epod69 | last time i asked that question i was told because of licensing you needed to go through there site |
| 23:17.15 | IcE-bOy | anybody with postfix + maildrop + mysql ? |
| 23:17.17 | cureless | bernouli: what is "your own packet?" |
| 23:17.23 | Epod69 | and i said i believe... |
| 23:17.23 | abrotman | Epod69: read what dpkg told you |
| 23:17.24 | IcE-bOy | ryden: no |
| 23:17.26 | Kitty-Kun | never mind |
| 23:17.28 | ryden | :( |
| 23:17.30 | Nebulous | cureless: one he gave birth to himself |
| 23:17.30 | Kitty-Kun | i just remembered |
| 23:17.36 | abrotman | Epod69: you get the bin from sun .. but you install it with a debian package |
| 23:17.38 | Kitty-Kun | this CAN run .bin files right? |
| 23:17.40 | reagent | hi. What's the default mountpoint of the cdrom? /cdrom/ or /media/cdrom/ or /mnt/cdrom ? |
| 23:17.44 | abrotman | !tell Kitty-Kun about enter |
| 23:17.46 | Epod69 | dpkg didnt tell me nothing, hes non-existent |
| 23:17.52 | cureless | Kitty-Kun: what do you think a .bin file is? |
| 23:17.54 | resiak | dpkg: Hi |
| 23:17.54 | dpkg | hello, resiak |
| 23:17.55 | IcE-bOy | reagent: look it in /etc/fstab |
| 23:17.57 | resiak | Epod69: ^^ |
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| 23:18.01 | abrotman | @tell Epod69 about install java |
| 23:18.01 | Kitty-Kun | i know |
| 23:18.01 | jim | Epod69, you'd want to install java as a debian package... that way you could remove/upgrade/etc using debian package tools... it's good you know this if you're going to give advice, so it was for that reason you were told :) |
| 23:18.04 | abrotman | ffs |
| 23:18.06 | Kitty-Kun | just... not used to this... |
| 23:18.08 | abrotman | !install java |
| 23:18.08 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
| 23:18.10 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:18.14 | Kitty-Kun | so |
| 23:18.18 | bernouli | cureless, i have a programm to create packets, somekind like excalibur |
| 23:18.18 | Kitty-Kun | how do i get it as a package? |
| 23:18.24 | Epod69 | jim, hah, ok |
| 23:18.25 | Kitty-Kun | i had trouble following that |
| 23:18.27 | jim | read above |
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| 23:18.30 | reagent | IcE-bOy: I don't have any default debian install with a cdrom |
| 23:18.30 | abrotman | !tell Kitty-Kun about install java |
| 23:18.36 | floppyears | hi |
| 23:18.37 | Fluten | i have multiple linux machines. would it be possible to easily set up a cluster using them all, and then sending all the cpu power to one process, such as vmware? |
| 23:18.37 | cureless | Kitty-Kun: a .bin file depends on a lot of stuff, it will not always run. |
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| 23:18.45 | floppyears | can somebody suggest me a good bittorrent client ? |
| 23:18.46 | resiak | /lastlog abrotman : !tell Kitty-Kun about install java |
| 23:18.52 | Epod69 | cant you just install the blackdown package ? |
| 23:18.54 | reagent | IcE-bOy: Either the boxes don't have any cdrom or I changed too much to rely on the information I can find in fstab |
| 23:18.54 | abrotman | resiak: i know |
| 23:18.57 | Fluten | all the stuff i am reading about clusters talks about programming specifically for them |
| 23:18.58 | resiak | floppyears: apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 23:18.59 | abrotman | Epod69: they are SOOO out of date |
| 23:19.00 | resiak | abrotman: ;) |
| 23:19.02 | shingoki | It probably isn't possible, but can I get a sarge installer to boot and start install, without pressing "Enter" ? |
| 23:19.07 | cureless | bernouli: but what is it's address? |
| 23:19.09 | jim | Epod69: where does it install? |
| 23:19.10 | Epod69 | yea..it works for the most though |
| 23:19.15 | abrotman | Epod69: they haven't made new ones in years .. |
| 23:19.23 | floppyears | resiak: I know I can do apt-cache search, but I'm asking for word of mouth |
| 23:19.32 | abrotman | Epod69: it would probably have security issues .. and not work with stuff .. i think the last blackdown did was 1.4.0 |
| 23:19.33 | bernouli | cureless, i tried using its address (A), it wont work also |
| 23:19.34 | shingoki | Using sun JDK to make package is easy and works well |
| 23:19.36 | resiak | floppyears: And we'll all give you a different answer. |
| 23:19.41 | abrotman | floppyears: bittornado |
| 23:19.46 | s_ward | ryden, a quick search suggests that it's not packeged for debian, but you should be able to use a binary driver, other than that, I can't help -- google is your friend |
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| 23:19.49 | jim | Epod69: if /usr, that's interfering with debian package management on that installation |
| 23:19.49 | abrotman | !bittorrent |
| 23:19.49 | dpkg | i guess bittorrent is a tool for distributing files. It's extremely easy to use - downloads are started by clicking on hyperlinks. Whenever more than one person is downloading at once they send pieces of the file(s) to each other, thus relieving the central server's bandwidth burden. Even with many simultaneous downloads, the upload burden on the central server remains quite small, since each new downloader introduces new upload capacity. teh ... |
| 23:19.53 | Epod69 | i only incoutered two sites blackdown didnt work, pogo and searchirc.com |
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| 23:20.00 | shingoki | Thats a really long factoid... |
| 23:20.00 | cureless | bernouli: meaning if you use the address 10.0.0.1 it doesnt masquerade it? |
| 23:20.08 | abrotman | Epod69: well .. there'sa good reason not to yuse them |
| 23:20.13 | abrotman | use |
| 23:20.15 | Nebulous | shingoki: possible, yes. easy? probably not. All you would have to do is reconfigure the lilo settings on the boot disk to autoboot the default image after x seconds |
| 23:20.23 | floppyears | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:20.41 | bernouli | cureless, no, it wont masquerade it |
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| 23:20.51 | shingoki | Nebulous, ok... I may have to do that, I have a mobo with a broken PS2 connector, it runs fine with USB keyboard when its actually booted |
| 23:20.52 | abrotman | anyone think to try #iptables ? |
| 23:20.53 | ryden | s_ward, nowself google is my enemy hahahaha, but I don't know if it will be compiled with the same gcc and that things... |
| 23:21.04 | bernouli | cureless, although i have "told" the fw to masquerade it |
| 23:21.14 | Phroziac | hey, if i extracted the 14 disc set for sarge, to make a local apt repository, how much disc space would that require? |
| 23:21.15 | Nebulous | shingoki: I'm not sure how you would actually go about that though, especially if you are doing a cd |
| 23:21.18 | shingoki | You think it might be possible to get installer to have a timeout, and boot after say 20 seconds? Not install, just boot |
| 23:21.23 | Seanfeld | AMD +2200 sarge kernel 2.6 I had 1 GB RAM and installed a second GB it shows up right in the bios but in top it only shows up as 1GB anyone seen this before? |
| 23:21.23 | s_ward | ryden, you can always try, what's the worst that could happen? :) |
| 23:21.28 | shingoki | I mean as a general thing, not just for me :) |
| 23:21.29 | Epod69 | alright well i am going to switch the mirrors and install kde again, ill probably be back to tell my new problems, thanx all for the help |
| 23:21.30 | Nebulous | shingoki: but the people who made the cd images did it, obviously. |
| 23:21.31 | cureless | bernouli: let's see, how did you construct this packet? Does it look like a normal packet? |
| 23:21.37 | resiak | Phroziac: How much can a CD hold? |
| 23:21.45 | RogueDopple | ha ha |
| 23:21.46 | bernouli | cureless, it is a normal packet |
| 23:21.46 | reagent | IcE-bOy: And I know that dbus, hotplug or discover or something like this is involved. On a box for example, fstab says the cdrom can be found in /mnt/cdrom0, but the folder does not exist. |
| 23:21.49 | ryden | s_ward, uhm... a nuclear bomb in the datacenter? hahahaha |
| 23:22.01 | Eonn_ | guys is there a way you can log user activity (e.g what they actually do when they log on) if so which logfile is it kept? |
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| 23:22.07 | abrotman | Seanfeld: which kernel ? |
| 23:22.12 | Phroziac | resiak: well, up to 700 mb, but usually 650. |
| 23:22.12 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 23:22.14 | shingoki | Nebulous, yup, there are probably instructions for making an install disc somewhere. I just wish the default one had a timeout, then booted without pressing enter (the ubuntu installer does that) |
| 23:22.19 | cureless | bernouli: so if you send it by hand it doesn't masquerade but if you ping it does? |
| 23:22.19 | resiak | Phroziac: What's 650 * 14 ? |
| 23:22.26 | Seanfeld | abrotman: 2.6 |
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| 23:22.34 | Nebulous | shingoki: that would be nice, yes |
| 23:22.35 | abrotman | Seanfeld: uname -a |
| 23:22.50 | Phroziac | thanks resiak, i wasn't thinking. |
| 23:22.58 | Nebulous | shingoki: even if it was a 60 second timeout, it would still be great |
| 23:23.01 | bernouli | cureless, exactly |
| 23:23.04 | resiak | Phroziac: And there you have a pretty good estimate of how much space you need. ;) You probably want to use apt-proxy instead. |
| 23:23.11 | abrotman | resiak: use the bot! |
| 23:23.14 | Nebulous | shingoki: do you have usb keyboard emulation in your bios? |
| 23:23.18 | s_ward | ryden, uh, yeah, data centre destruction is baaaaaaaad |
| 23:23.22 | cureless | bernouli: so this is without ever touching the firewall right? |
| 23:23.25 | Seanfeld | abrotman: 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:23.31 | resiak | !tell Phroziac -about apt-proxy |
| 23:23.34 | shingoki | Nebulous, I may do, but I can't get into the bios to enable it, because I can't press "delete" :) |
| 23:23.42 | bernouli | cureless, what do you mean? |
| 23:23.43 | abrotman | Seanfeld: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 ... it's a Athlon right ? |
| 23:23.47 | Nebulous | ah, what a crazy catch-22 :P |
| 23:23.47 | shingoki | Nebulous, if I do, it isn't currently enabled, anyway |
| 23:23.49 | cureless | bernouli: and are you sending a "correct" IP packet (even though some stuff might be spoofed the packet has to be of a specific format) |
| 23:23.49 | SquareRt | this may seem daft, but if I install apache-ssl, does that mean I *can't* have it listen on port 80, or that I should install normal apache 1.3 too for non-https? |
| 23:23.51 | Seanfeld | sempron |
| 23:23.55 | shingoki | Nebulous, yes it's evil :) |
| 23:23.58 | cureless | bernouli: meaning you haven't changed the config |
| 23:24.00 | Phroziac | resiak: I happen to have an extra 28gb i'm not even using, i haven't been able to get one drive of it to work under linux, and there isn't enough bloat in linux to fill it all up :) |
| 23:24.07 | shingoki | Nebulous, it's not a bad PC either, I want to use it as a little file server |
| 23:24.08 | abrotman | Seanfeld: that hopefully will fix it ... if not .. there's another way .. but install that kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 23:24.13 | resiak | Phroziac: You still probably want apt-proxy. |
| 23:24.27 | Phroziac | hmm, apt-proxy sounds nice. but, i'm on dialup ;/ |
| 23:24.30 | abrotman | Seanfeld: make sense ? |
| 23:24.32 | Seanfeld | abrotman: alright I'll give that a try |
| 23:24.41 | Nebulous | shingoki: now, it might be possible to make a lilo boot disk that could load the install image on the cdrom |
| 23:24.50 | Nebulous | shingoki: as a floppy boot disk, that is |
| 23:24.50 | bernouli | cureless, no, i havent changed the config, it works now also with ping. It is a normal packet, i can send from A to B, B receives also the package, but the source ip it shows the address of A |
| 23:24.51 | abrotman | Seanfeld: if it doesn't work . come back . |
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| 23:25.04 | bernouli | cureless, actually i tshould show the address from C |
| 23:25.05 | abrotman | vick: did you get that sorted out ? |
| 23:25.08 | shingoki | Nebulous, ah, that would be good if it worked :) |
| 23:25.09 | resiak | Phroziac: Hmm, so, fair enough. |
| 23:25.19 | Nebulous | shingoki: but i'm not the person to ask about that. lilo scares me. |
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| 23:25.22 | shingoki | Nebulous, I will have a look at that though |
| 23:25.50 | Seanfeld | abrotman: alright I thought I had at the time when I reinstalled because I did the last time but I guess I missed that |
| 23:25.55 | Nebulous | shingoki: if you can get that to work, that would sound like the least painful option |
| 23:25.59 | cureless | bernouli: and if you do it right now with ping it does show the address of C right? |
| 23:26.01 | abrotman | Seanfeld: give it a whirl |
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| 23:26.05 | bernouli | cureless, yes |
| 23:26.18 | cureless | bernouli: and you're checking this with tcpdump? |
| 23:26.21 | WiFiTux_ | anyone has an idea of what does Segmentation Fault means? |
| 23:26.25 | bernouli | cureless, exactly |
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| 23:26.27 | WiFiTux_ | I hate this box |
| 23:26.37 | shingoki | Nebulous, cool, there are sarge install floppies, I might just be able to tweak one |
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| 23:26.41 | Technel | Does Debian use RPM packages? |
| 23:26.43 | Wyzard | WiFiTux_: It means a bug in the program you were running |
| 23:26.52 | cureless | bernouli: so the source/address of both packets is the same, but if you create the packet yourself it doesn't get masqueraded? |
| 23:26.56 | resiak | Technel: No. |
| 23:27.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: xenosaga! |
| 23:27.02 | bernouli | cureless, so is it |
| 23:27.03 | WiFiTux_ | Wyzard: all programs? wget, proftpd ... non work |
| 23:27.04 | Technel | resiak: What kind of packages does it use? |
| 23:27.10 | Technel | (extension) |
| 23:27.11 | resiak | Technel: .deb packages. |
| 23:27.20 | Technel | resiak: That's original. Okay, thanks. |
| 23:27.25 | Wyzard | WiFiTux_: Then probably in some library that all those programs use, such as libc |
| 23:27.25 | cureless | bernouli: try to create the same packet with your packet creation tool, see if it gets masqueraded. |
| 23:27.25 | resiak | Technel: This is appropriate, since the first thre... yes. |
| 23:27.29 | websdale | WiFiTux_: version mismatches can cause that as well |
| 23:27.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: Xenogears first |
| 23:27.36 | resiak | Technel: .deb >>> .rpm, by the way. |
| 23:27.37 | WiFiTux_ | Wyzard: ah hell |
| 23:27.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: slacker |
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| 23:27.43 | WiFiTux_ | Wyzard: how can I fix? |
| 23:27.44 | bernouli | cureless, it wont get masquaraded, but the packet arrives on B |
| 23:27.52 | Technel | resiak: Except for the fact that RPMs can actually be found without compiling them yourself :) |
| 23:27.57 | cureless | bernouli: I know it sounds stupid, but make sure the packets aren't going through another interface or through some tunnel or are originated from the same machine |
| 23:28.01 | Technel | resiak: But I don't use RPMs either, tgz on Slackware |
| 23:28.11 | Wyzard | Technel: So can Debian packages, by looking on Debian mirrors |
| 23:28.15 | cureless | bernouli: do a tcpdump with a large snaplength and compare the packets bitwise, what is different? |
| 23:28.16 | resiak | Technel: *shrug* apt-get install foo works for me. |
| 23:28.32 | cureless | bernouli: make sure by comparing a tcpdump from the firewall too... and from both interfaces. |
| 23:28.35 | abrotman | !tell Technel about why debian |
| 23:28.36 | Technel | resiak: Do you by any chance know if Apache2 / PHP5 / MySQL4 can be installed that way? |
| 23:28.37 | websdale | WiFiTux_: have you installed anything recently without using apt-get? |
| 23:28.41 | Eonn_ | resiak: cant you use a utility called alien to convert redhat RPM to Deb? |
| 23:28.42 | abrotman | !info php5 sid |
| 23:28.46 | resiak | Eonn_: You don't want to. |
| 23:28.47 | abrotman | !info apache2-common sid |
| 23:28.48 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 23:28.48 | WiFiTux_ | websdale: I just installed Sarge on this box. |
| 23:28.49 | dpkg | apache2-common: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-4 (sid), Packaged size: 779 kB, Installed size: 1916 kB |
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| 23:28.50 | Technel | abrotman: Thanks |
| 23:28.51 | abrotman | !info mysql-server sid |
| 23:28.52 | Wyzard | Technel: I installed FC4 on a system a few weeks ago and was surprised to find that there was software I actually wanted to use for which packages *weren't* available... that was a new thing for me |
| 23:28.55 | resiak | Technel: As the bot says. |
| 23:28.56 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10 (sid), Packaged size: 3559 kB, Installed size: 8604 kB |
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| 23:29.04 | WiFiTux_ | Is sarge b0rked? |
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| 23:29.06 | Phroziac | hmm, why am i only getting 650 kb/s apt'ing from a computer right next to it? |
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| 23:29.10 | abrotman | oh .. i think it's mysql-server-4.1 .. nfc .. mysql is a POS |
| 23:29.12 | Wyzard | WiFiTux_: No, but it sounds like your installation of it is |
| 23:29.18 | bernouli | cureless, let me try |
| 23:29.20 | Phroziac | oh, it's because of that cd thing isn't it. |
| 23:29.35 | Eonn_ | resaik: why? or should i bother asking |
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| 23:29.48 | WiFiTux_ | Wyzard: no shit. |
| 23:29.50 | resiak | Eonn_: Because it's crap, in short. |
| 23:29.52 | jim | you can google for "mysql gotchas" (and "postgresql gotchas") |
| 23:30.04 | abrotman | !mysql |
| 23:30.04 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
| 23:30.05 | Eonn_ | reiak: geez i wasnt expecting that response |
| 23:30.11 | newdebusr | would anyone mind helping me get exim4 working... I just want to be able to send out system alerts from my debian server to my regular email address |
| 23:30.31 | Technel | For a production Apache2 / PHP5 / MySQL4 / PostgreSQL8 server, do you guys think Debian would be the optimal distrobution? |
| 23:30.39 | resiak | Eonn_: It buggers up deps, tramples things... it's normally better to make your own deb or find one. |
| 23:30.40 | jim | Eonn_: you can google for "mysql gotchas" (and "postgresql gotchas") |
| 23:30.46 | nylon | is there a way to set up an ssh user group or just a group of usernames and passwords that are not local users to the linux box but give them each their own logins via ssh and set individual folder permissions ... kind of like what we are able to do with ftp |
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| 23:30.58 | Wyzard | Technel: PHP5 isn't packaged in Debian (except maybe for unofficial packages) |
| 23:31.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: in sid now |
| 23:31.09 | resiak | !info php5 sid |
| 23:31.10 | jim | Technel: why mysql when you have pg? |
| 23:31.12 | resiak | Wyzard: ^^ |
| 23:31.13 | abrotman | !tell Wyzard about info php5 sid |
| 23:31.15 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 23:31.15 | resiak | Erm. |
| 23:31.18 | Wyzard | Technel: PostgreSQL 8 is packaged, but I"m not sure if it's in sarge |
| 23:31.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: it is not |
| 23:31.28 | abrotman | it's maybe in sid now .. |
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| 23:31.30 | resiak | Wyzard: You don't read your DWN, do you? |
| 23:31.31 | Wyzard | ah... didn't know php5 was finally packaged |
| 23:31.37 | Wyzard | nope |
| 23:31.39 | Technel | jim: To build web applications compatible with multiple database-support |
| 23:31.52 | Eonn_ | resiak: ahh thanks good to know, often some of the answers i see being flug around are "its shit" and nothing else. Its good to know why. |
| 23:31.56 | abrotman | Technel: do you ahve any idea what you're talking about ? |
| 23:31.57 | nylon | or is it easier just to setup each user using useradd and be done with it |
| 23:32.05 | abrotman | Technel: of course pgsql supports more than one database |
| 23:32.09 | resiak | Eonn_: Well then. :) |
| 23:32.10 | jim | Technel: take a look at photo.net and scorecard.org... like those? |
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| 23:32.30 | abrotman | Technel: are you trying to troll the channel? |
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| 23:32.41 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 23:32.41 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 23:32.52 | Technel | abrotman: I am just wondering if Debian would be a good choice for my needs with a server... |
| 23:32.54 | [Pred1] | how can i set with pure-ftpd (with mysql) that the uploaded files wont be eraseable? |
| 23:33.03 | resiak | +t ! |
| 23:33.05 | jim | Technel: google for "internet application workbook" |
| 23:33.25 | abrotman | Technel: that's up to you .. and how well you work within the package management |
| 23:33.37 | jim | Technel: also for "6.916" and "6.171" |
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| 23:33.53 | Wyzard | Technel: Debian's current release, sarge, doesn't have PHP5 or PostgreSQL 8 |
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| 23:34.09 | abrotman | or mysql 4.1 ? |
| 23:34.18 | Technel | Wyzard: Is there a 3rd-party package available? |
| 23:34.20 | abrotman | though .. i still don't know why ANYONE would use mysql .. for anything |
| 23:34.28 | abrotman | i mean .. mysql is like .. MS Access |
| 23:34.29 | jim | looks like sid only has 4.0.soemthign |
| 23:34.36 | Technel | abrotman: Why? |
| 23:34.37 | abrotman | jim: mysql-server-4.1 |
| 23:34.46 | Wyzard | Technel: There's probably a backport available, or will be eventually if there isn't already, but I don't know for sure |
| 23:34.48 | abrotman | Technel: /msg dpkg mysql |
| 23:34.51 | abrotman | Technel: /msg dpkg mysql gotchas |
| 23:35.00 | Wyzard | abrotman: MySQL got a lot better in v5, though it's still not as good as PG |
| 23:35.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: you mean the pre-beta RC v5? :) |
| 23:35.18 | Phroziac | how can i cancel an apt? ctrl+c isn't doing it. |
| 23:35.23 | Nebulous | mysql isn't bad for small projects |
| 23:35.26 | Eonn_ | Guys ive got a medical centre job that needs to run a software application called MedicalDirector (it uses SQLServer) is there anyway to get SQLServer applications to run under debian? |
| 23:35.32 | cureless | Phroziac: ctrl-c :-) |
| 23:35.38 | jim | Technel: becasue it's not good at multiuser stuff, not good at transactions and generally not ACID-compliant |
| 23:35.43 | abrotman | Eonn_: depends how the application is coded |
| 23:35.44 | uwe | does any one know of known problems about installing monodevelop on debian? |
| 23:35.50 | Phroziac | it's not doing anything cureless |
| 23:35.54 | abrotman | Eonn_: you mean the client . or the server? |
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| 23:35.59 | cureless | Phroziac: ctrl-alt-backspace (careful with that one, otherwsie ctrl-alt-delete) both of these might involve undesirable effects. |
| 23:36.00 | abrotman | uwe: #debian-mono |
| 23:36.02 | Eonn_ | abrotman - the server |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | Eonn_: depends how the app was coded |
| 23:36.16 | Wyzard | abrotman: My main issue with it is that MySQL is the database chosen by people who don't know anything about databases and just go with the first thing they've heard of... so software that uses MySQL is a lot more likely to be of poor quality than software that uses PostgreSQL |
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| 23:36.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: the first time i realized mysql didn't do .. views i think it was .. i was SOOO pissed :) |
| 23:36.39 | Phroziac | cureless: i'm on ssh, i cant do ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 23:36.40 | Wyzard | uwe: It crashes if you choose a GTK# project type in the project wizard |
| 23:36.47 | abrotman | i think it was views |
| 23:36.48 | Phroziac | or alt+ctrl+del |
| 23:36.50 | Wyzard | uwe: GTK# 2.0 works fine, but GTK# 1.0 doesn't |
| 23:36.51 | saboteur | mysql does views now |
| 23:36.51 | reagent | IcE-bOy: You still there? I am fixing bug #248039. Should I change the mountpoint to /media/cdrom, /media/cdrom0 or /cdrom ? |
| 23:36.53 | Eonn_ | abrotman - i come across this issue often. Its the only time we cant seem to use a linux server - having instead to go back to 2003Server |
| 23:36.54 | saboteur | but only just in version 5 |
| 23:37.04 | cureless | Phroziac: you're apt-getting via ssh? Well, you might have asked for it, what are you apt-getting? |
| 23:37.05 | jim | Wyzard: yes; see greenpeace.org for examples of postgres apps |
| 23:37.05 | abrotman | Eonn_: depends on the app ... i already told you |
| 23:37.08 | uwe | ah , ic |
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| 23:37.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh .. no .. it was triggers |
| 23:37.22 | saboteur | it does triggers too |
| 23:37.28 | saboteur | same deal, version 5 :) |
| 23:37.31 | abrotman | Eonn_: if the app uses ODBC .. you might be able too |
| 23:37.32 | Eonn_ | abrotman - what does depends on the app actually mean though? |
| 23:37.34 | astronut | how do i get apt-listcahnges to automatically run on apt-get upgrade? |
| 23:37.36 | punkass__ | is there away to use apt-get to force an install of an older package? |
| 23:37.38 | astronut | listchanges* |
| 23:37.41 | Phroziac | well, nevermind, it got done, but, i'm apt-getting debian actually. |
| 23:37.42 | abrotman | saboteur: yeah .. thanks .. i'll stick with pgsql .. mysql is still crap |
| 23:37.43 | websdale | Eonn:you can interface to SQLServer but you can't run it on a linux server |
| 23:37.46 | Phroziac | im doing the install |
| 23:37.54 | saboteur | abrot: good choice! |
| 23:38.01 | Wyzard | saboteur: But still no query-rewrite rules, user-defined data types, or transaction savepoints :-) |
| 23:38.02 | saboteur | nothing wrong with pgsql |
| 23:38.12 | Eonn_ | websdale - right |
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| 23:38.25 | abrotman | saboteur: and mysql5 is still in development .. pgsql has had triggers for what .. 10 years? :) |
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| 23:38.29 | abrotman | at least t5 |
| 23:38.31 | abrotman | err 5 |
| 23:38.32 | saboteur | wyzard: and those features i pointed out aren't tested that well either i'm sure |
| 23:39.14 | jim | punkass__: probably, but note that downgrading is generally not supported, and this is on purpose and not likely to change anytime soon... backup any involved configs and other data FIRST before you downgrade |
| 23:39.20 | abrotman | so many of the "Real DB" functions that every other database has .. MySQL has in thier Beta MySQL5 |
| 23:39.29 | abrotman | i'm not even sure it's Beta .. |
| 23:39.54 | punkass__ | jim: ok well i am just trying to use the version of libssl-dev from sarge..and i have etches version installed |
| 23:40.00 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, not every other database has them; but they are on the large relatively useful features. |
| 23:40.08 | saboteur | yeah, i wasn't sticking up for it |
| 23:40.12 | saboteur | just pointing out the facts |
| 23:40.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: 1.5.3. What's New in MySQL 5.0 - Stored Procedures: See Chapter 19, Stored Procedures and Functions. |
| 23:40.16 | jim | punkass__: are you runnign sarge? |
| 23:40.18 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm so impressed :) |
| 23:40.22 | punkass__ | running etch |
| 23:40.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yes .. you're right .. but most of the ones that don't have them are low class databases .. |
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| 23:40.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: saboteur: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/mysql-5-0-nutshell.html |
| 23:40.51 | jim | so if it has stored procedures... does it have a pl now too? |
| 23:40.58 | hax | does anyone know of a good company that has debian servers i can rent? |
| 23:41.04 | abrotman | jim: check that link |
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| 23:41.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: But in what language? I'll bet it only supports one language for stored procedures, not an extensibility interface for adding new languages :-) |
| 23:41.20 | abrotman | Wyzard: so now .. mysql will have all the features everyone has been bitching about for .. over 5 years |
| 23:41.38 | jim | so they're 5 years too late? :) |
| 23:41.48 | s_ward | hax, http://www.bytemark.co.uk/ -- Virtual machines and dedicated servers, various distributions |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: i didn't read that much into it .. i'll hopefully never have to use mysql again |
| 23:42.04 | hax | s_ward: got anything in the us? |
| 23:42.19 | abrotman | Wyzard: and look .. true VARCHAR!! .. god .. miracles will never cease! |
| 23:42.23 | s_ward | hax, no, sorry |
| 23:42.31 | hax | s_ward: heh, ok, thanks |
| 23:42.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: "true" varchar? |
| 23:42.41 | flosch | hi folks |
| 23:42.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: read the link .. i'm not jesting |
| 23:42.57 | jim | bet it still doesn't have outer joins :P |
| 23:43.02 | astronut | how do i get apt-listchanges to automatically run on apt-get upgrade? |
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| 23:43.07 | Nebulous | i think i'll still stick with postgres |
| 23:43.09 | Wyzard | abrotman: aha :-) |
| 23:43.13 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 23:43.16 | Nebulous | postgres or oracle, if i need anythign more powerful |
| 23:43.18 | abrotman | Wyzard: woohoo .. cursors! |
| 23:43.18 | flosch | i'm using unstable, meta package "kde" does not work, is there a reason for that? |
| 23:43.28 | abrotman | flosch: it's .. unstable |
| 23:43.32 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 23:43.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 23:43.34 | Nebulous | flosch: because unstable breaks quite a lot |
| 23:43.42 | abrotman | and is currently .. broken :) |
| 23:43.46 | Nebulous | very broken |
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| 23:43.50 | Phroziac | oops. |
| 23:43.50 | Nebulous | but it's slowly getting unbroken |
| 23:43.57 | flosch | oh ok :) |
| 23:44.00 | jim | and this is actually allowed for sid... |
| 23:44.01 | Phroziac | Does debian support any compressed fs's by the way? |
| 23:44.09 | jim | cramfs |
| 23:44.23 | jim | infact it depends on it for installs |
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| 23:44.27 | zinx | debian, or debian's stock kernel packages? |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | i don't htikn that's quite what me means |
| 23:44.48 | flosch | ok thx :) |
| 23:44.50 | alasola | Hi, I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask but I'm looking for a little hint fot a shell script I'm writing. Whats the best way to get the keycode of a pressed key? I know I can use 'read' but that gives me 'a', I need the actual 82 or whatever keycode for it. A google so far hasn't helped much. Thanks |
| 23:44.51 | jim | multiparse errors! |
| 23:44.55 | saboteur | can you guys get to google? |
| 23:44.56 | Wyzard | Phroziac: You mean like cramfs? |
| 23:45.08 | flosch | saboteur, yo |
| 23:45.26 | punkass__ | when i do a apt-cache search for ssl i see "libssl0.9.6 - SSL shared libraries (old version)" |
| 23:45.36 | punkass__ | what is the new version called? |
| 23:45.49 | punkass__ | i dont see any other listed ..only libssl-dev |
| 23:45.59 | jim | check that version |
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| 23:46.06 | jim | on the -dev |
| 23:46.08 | Phroziac | Wyzard: probably. never used cramfs other then on my pda though. |
| 23:46.16 | jim | it should match up |
| 23:46.18 | Wyzard | punkass__: libssl0.9.7 |
| 23:46.33 | Phroziac | pda came with cramfs though, so i dont know much about that |
| 23:46.48 | Wyzard | Phroziac: There are several read-only compressed filesystems, but I'm not aware of any writable ones |
| 23:46.58 | zinx | jffs2 is writable |
| 23:47.06 | sun_ | hi i forgot the root pw on one of my bootable partitions, what should i change in /etc/{passwd,shadow,???} to fix it? |
| 23:47.06 | Phroziac | how does the data get onto the drive if it's not writable? |
| 23:47.07 | slobfish | etch couldnt detect my eth :( |
| 23:47.11 | zinx | but it may require patches to the kernel, not sure |
| 23:47.14 | jim | debian uses cramfs for initrd.img files |
| 23:47.15 | Phroziac | i'm just making a local apt mirror |
| 23:47.26 | zinx | Phroziac: like iso9660, you build the filesystem beforehand |
| 23:47.32 | Wyzard | Phroziac: You prepare the filesystem ahead of time from a directory tree |
| 23:47.33 | IcE-bOy | courier-dropmail in sarge doesn't have mysql support .. |
| 23:47.40 | jim | so it woulnd' |
| 23:47.43 | jim | so it wouldnmt |
| 23:47.46 | zinx | Phroziac: the -media- is writable, the filesystem write-once |
| 23:47.46 | Wyzard | Phroziac: Debian packages are already compressed... using a compressed filesystem wouldn't gain you anything |
| 23:47.48 | jim | argh sorry |
| 23:47.59 | Phroziac | Wyzard: ah, ok. |
| 23:48.04 | jim | so it wouldn't be good for a mirror |
| 23:48.31 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:48.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:48.37 | abrotman | jim: i have no problems with buttons :) |
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| 23:48.57 | s_ward | sun_, if you can get root access to the system, chroot to it and use passwd |
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| 23:49.04 | jim | Damnit abrotman!! I'm a DOCTOR, not a PEPPER! |
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| 23:49.25 | abrotman | jim: great taste.. less filling? |
| 23:49.32 | jim | yes. |
| 23:49.47 | abrotman | eww |
| 23:49.53 | Nebulous | some day I'm going to hack a gibson into debian |
| 23:49.54 | abrotman | do you tell the women before hand? |
| 23:49.57 | sun_ | s_ward so its bad to just delete the pw field in /etc/shadow? |
| 23:49.57 | Nebulous | apt-get install gibson |
| 23:50.19 | FabParma | im unabe to find parted in the gui version. have you idea if it wxists for debian? |
| 23:50.24 | ice_1963 | ya ok |
| 23:50.25 | jim | I tell them what they need to know :) |
| 23:50.32 | htedrom | hey all |
| 23:50.38 | htedrom | what should i do with a .run.gz |
| 23:50.50 | zinx | htedrom: what's it of? |
| 23:50.56 | htedrom | should i even be trying to install something that's not a deb? |
| 23:51.00 | htedrom | a game |
| 23:51.02 | s_ward | sun_, from `man shadow`: " The password field must be filled." |
| 23:51.03 | htedrom | ut2004 |
| 23:51.09 | FabParma | im unabe to find parted in the GUI version. have you idea if it is exists for debian? |
| 23:51.21 | jim | htedrom: sure, if you want to... but don't put it in /usr (but /usr/local is ok) |
| 23:51.24 | zinx | htedrom: gunzip it, run it.. it installs to its own little directory (of your choosing) |
| 23:51.25 | Phroziac | brb |
| 23:51.30 | Wyzard | htedrom: Generally you should only install non-packaged software if you know what you're doing and no .deb is available |
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| 23:51.49 | htedrom | i looked for a deb but couldn't find one |
| 23:51.50 | Wyzard | htedrom: Someone might have made an unofficial .deb for UT2004 |
| 23:52.02 | Wyzard | htedrom: Or just put it under /usr/local or in a directory in /opt |
| 23:52.04 | FabParma | otherwais, what can i use to resize partitions ? |
| 23:52.13 | jim | or if you know what you're doing, a .deb is available but you don't want to use it |
| 23:52.13 | rumpl | abrotman, hi :) |
| 23:52.15 | htedrom | why should it be in /usr/local? |
| 23:52.43 | jim | really it should -not- be in /usr |
| 23:53.23 | abrotman | rumpl: be quiet |
| 23:53.30 | jim | except for /usr/local because debian promises to not touch that dir and to not depend on you not touching it |
| 23:53.44 | htedrom | hmmm |
| 23:53.45 | htedrom | ok |
| 23:53.57 | s_ward | !tell htedrom about fhs |
| 23:54.02 | jim | as far as that goes, you could also put it in your home dir |
| 23:54.02 | htedrom | will all the files stay in /usr/local if i install it there? |
| 23:54.06 | s_ward | htedrom, and what jim said :) |
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| 23:54.25 | Wyzard | htedrom: /usr/local is completely untouched by Debian |
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| 23:55.02 | htedrom | htedrom@binker:~$ gzip -d UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz |
| 23:55.02 | htedrom | gzip: UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz: unexpected end of file |
| 23:55.06 | rumpl | abrotman, still mad i see, don't worry, wont bother you anymore |
| 23:55.10 | Phroziac | i had to close my client for technical issues. |
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| 23:55.27 | htedrom | bad download or am i messing something up? |
| 23:55.32 | jim | Phroziac: ice cream break? |
| 23:55.40 | jim | yeah, thought so :P |
| 23:55.47 | rghrd | I've started X, and X has very thing lines vertically and horizontally, probably using bad driver ? bad settings ? |
| 23:55.54 | rghrd | thin* |
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| 23:56.03 | abrotman | rumpl: it's not me i'm worried about .. |
| 23:56.03 | htedrom | rghrd: same thing happened to me, but it cleared up on its own |
| 23:56.06 | jim | htedrom: maybe bad download |
| 23:56.08 | ice_1963 | ice cream ya |
| 23:56.12 | redhand | d |
| 23:56.13 | htedrom | thanks jim |
| 23:56.13 | nvz | I thought you used gunzip for that |
| 23:56.18 | htedrom | gunzup? |
| 23:56.22 | htedrom | gunzip* |
| 23:56.24 | Phroziac | jim: mmmmmm stop making me hungry. |
| 23:56.29 | htedrom | what's the diff? |
| 23:56.31 | punkass__ | man trying to compile php/mysql and its given me errors cuz of wrong ssl versions |
| 23:56.36 | punkass__ | makin me crazy |
| 23:56.41 | jim | I got the breyers right upstairs too :) |
| 23:56.43 | rghrd | htedrom: you didn't do anything to influence it ? |
| 23:56.48 | Phroziac | Ok, so the 14 cd set for sarge has everything for sarge binary that the apt mirror has? |
| 23:56.56 | FabParma | what can i use to resize/move partitions ext3 ? |
| 23:57.05 | nvz | Phroziac: I think it may also include source |
| 23:57.09 | redhand | Phroziac, uuu!! 14cds! |
| 23:57.12 | Phroziac | nvz: hmmm, ok. |
| 23:57.12 | jim | yes... but why get all that stuff when you can install what you need from the net? |
| 23:57.13 | htedrom | rghrd: i just got it right when i started kde, it cleared up after a few seconds....are you using ATI drivers? |
| 23:57.40 | nvz | I am not being of any help right now |
| 23:57.41 | nvz | heh |
| 23:57.57 | htedrom | is there any specific place i can find custom debs? |
| 23:57.58 | BourneAgain1 | What is the best strategy to creating a full Debian stable release mirror locally? |
| 23:58.00 | Phroziac | redhand: yeah, but it was free. lol. Disc swapping is a PITA though, debian doesnt handle that as great as it should. (put disc 1 in, put disc 2 in, put disc 14 in, put disc 1 back in) |
| 23:58.00 | Phroziac | zomgbbq 14 discs. |
| 23:58.02 | htedrom | like a repository or something? |
| 23:58.05 | htedrom | or search engine? |
| 23:58.06 | FieldySnuts | you don't need them all |
| 23:58.11 | *** join/#debian doub (~bed@d213-103-80-51.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 23:58.14 | doub | hi there |
| 23:58.22 | Nebulous | 14 discs is a lot |
| 23:58.22 | jim | htedrom: yes and yes |
| 23:58.24 | redhand | Phroziac, hehe, i know |
| 23:58.27 | FieldySnuts | you don't need them all |
| 23:58.29 | s_ward | Wow, woody was 7, I downloaded 1 |
| 23:58.34 | htedrom | jim: do tell :D |
| 23:58.38 | Phroziac | BourneAgain1: do like i'm doing and copy the discs to the hard drive probably. |
| 23:58.46 | Phroziac | s_ward: yes, you only need 1 for the base. |
| 23:58.47 | jim | backports.org, apt-get.org, others |
| 23:58.53 | jim | !backports |
| 23:58.53 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 23:59.02 | s_ward | my future was Sarge net installs.. |
| 23:59.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 772] by debhelper |
| 23:59.10 | redhand | i have 1 disk of sarge... i am pleased... |
| 23:59.12 | htedrom | jim: thanks a lot i'll check em out |
| 23:59.26 | s_ward | and since then just debootstrap from HDD to HDD |
| 23:59.43 | nvz | strange people calling and talking to me like I am my father or something /me rolls his eyes |
| 23:59.54 | jim | probably for example you could get pg 8 |
