| 00:00.12 | d_ | s_ward: err, you know what I was going through, anyway, i dont know the name of it |
| 00:00.34 | MrBallZ | Maliuta: thansk LD |
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| 00:01.53 | s_ward | d_, you'll have to remind me |
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| 00:02.27 | s_ward | plenty of things going on in here... things pass by quickly |
| 00:02.37 | d_ | s_ward: im trying to get my raid controller to work in linux |
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| 00:02.53 | d_ | s_ward: and the drivers on promise.com are 3 years old (aka, dont compile) |
| 00:02.57 | ulitz | s_ward: can't find v4l under menuconfig |
| 00:03.35 | s_ward | d_, so you haven't been able to compile the drivers in the first place? No wonder the module's not loading |
| 00:03.41 | exobyte | Why would my modem not recieve OK after ATZ the first time it connects after a boot, but it does subsequent times? |
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| 00:04.05 | s_ward | (note that I don't know anything other than what I learnt today about the drivers -- you probably know more than me) |
| 00:04.16 | d_ | s_ward: nay, when I turn on PnP and discover, dmesg shows a few NTFS names at the bottom (no /dev/), when I turn it off, nothing happens |
| 00:04.26 | kamaraju | How can I find out what the latest 'Standards-Version' is? Is there any command? |
| 00:04.32 | bugs | I can't get "dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system" to do anything.. It just returns. running etch.. |
| 00:04.52 | gravity | bugs: xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:05.08 | s_ward | ulitz, why are you looking for v4l? Shouldn't it be ivtv? |
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| 00:06.01 | s_ward | kamaraju, explain 'Standards-Version' |
| 00:06.36 | ulitz | s_ward: nah.. can't find taht either |
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| 00:07.16 | kamaraju | s_ward: I am packaging some software and the lintian gives error saying that I am using out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1 . I would like to know what the latest number is? |
| 00:07.43 | ulitz | s_ward: do I really need ivtv for just a webcam? |
| 00:08.23 | s_ward | kamaraju, no idea -- I think I saw mention in the package tracking system for a package about 3.6.2, but I could be remembering incorrectly |
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| 00:09.27 | dondelelcaro | !info debian-policy |
| 00:09.28 | dpkg | debian-policy: (Debian Policy Manual and related documents), section doc, is optional. Version: 3.6.2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1578 kB, Installed size: 2596 kB |
| 00:09.31 | s_ward | ulitz, I don't know, do you? You said/implied you wanted to load ivtv earlier |
| 00:09.34 | dondelelcaro | kamaraju: you should get a copy and read it. |
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| 00:09.56 | ulitz | s_ward: well I figured if I got ivtv running then the dev/video0 would exist |
| 00:10.06 | s_ward | ulitz, you need to have installed the ivtv packages for it to work -- from the ivtv Debian Howto: apt-get update; apt-get install ivtv-unstable-utils module-assistant |
| 00:10.39 | ulitz | yeah.. it said that I need to add non-free or contrib sources |
| 00:11.06 | kamaraju | dondelelcaro: s_ward: Thanks for your replies. |
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| 00:12.31 | dontpanic | I am having trouble after rebuilding a kernel. error message is telling me root has the wrong setting |
| 00:12.53 | s_ward | ulitz, did you add the sources given on the howto page? |
| 00:12.54 | dontpanic | has eny one had a simmilar experence? |
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| 00:13.32 | bugs | gravity: thanks.. |
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| 00:14.14 | s_ward | ulitz, you said it was a webcam, what is the make/model of it? Is it USB, or otherwise (if so, what)? |
| 00:14.33 | ulitz | usb creative webcam live |
| 00:14.54 | ulitz | and I added the lines for the .3.x |
| 00:15.02 | Maliuta | s_ward: I have a Logitech Quickcam Orbit, it's usb2.0 - I'm happy with it |
| 00:15.10 | jeffopi | Hey guys. Gtk-Gnutella is insane. It doesn't know how much of any file is complete and how much isn't, it's really messed up. Is there a better P2P program? I've tried mutella, but didn't have much luck with it. |
| 00:15.20 | s_ward | Maliuta, can you help ulitz ? :) |
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| 00:16.22 | Maliuta | s_ward: not unless he is using the pwc drivers, that stuff is all driver dependant |
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| 00:16.47 | juanof | mmn how would I divide a file in two? |
| 00:16.56 | Phated | Split. |
| 00:17.00 | ulitz | Maliuta: I would like to use the pwc drivers.. |
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| 00:17.42 | Maliuta | ulitz: is that cam supported? |
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| 00:18.11 | juanof | Phated: man split is confusing |
| 00:18.16 | juanof | Phated: I just want to divide the file in two.. |
| 00:18.26 | Maliuta | ulitz: if so get them from http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/ |
| 00:18.28 | FieldySnuts | what was my quit message? |
| 00:18.40 | shingouz | ulitz: you sure it does not need the spca5xx ? those are a pain in the ass but they work as soon as you get them installed. and ivtv is not needed iirc |
| 00:18.42 | Maliuta | ulitz: the install procedure is pretty straight forward |
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| 00:19.41 | ulitz | Maliuta: trying to figure out if those drivers support the cam |
| 00:19.50 | FieldySnuts | fine don't tell me :-< |
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| 00:20.21 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: it was "." |
| 00:20.28 | FieldySnuts | if the man page is confusing, good luck |
| 00:20.38 | FieldySnuts | hm. okay |
| 00:21.00 | Maliuta | ulitz: http://www.cs.umu.se/~c00ahs/exjobb/philips/ is a good listing (but nbot complete) |
| 00:21.01 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: i am guessing you were wishing for something a bit more esoteric? |
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| 00:21.24 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: xchat sometimes dies on me, not sure why. doesn't happen enough for me to bother stracing / gdb |
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| 00:22.41 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: for some reason the ancient xchat i have here used to do the same to me when i used 2.4 kernels. with a 2.6 it is rock solid |
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| 00:23.51 | FieldySnuts | ~samir |
| 00:23.51 | apt | Mother-shitter! Son of an ass! I just- |
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| 00:24.31 | ulitz | Maliuta: didn't see it in the list.. |
| 00:24.32 | fhd | hi, how can I let a user shutdown/reboot the pc from within KDE? |
| 00:25.10 | AjLavJo | just logout first and the option is there |
| 00:25.28 | dontpanic | am I getting thrugh? |
| 00:25.34 | Maliuta | ulitz: have you done a google search to see about linux support? |
| 00:25.47 | dontpanic | can I be seen? |
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| 00:25.59 | Maliuta | ulitz: it is possible that there are no v4l or v4l2 drivers for that cam |
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| 00:26.05 | fhd | back, same question |
| 00:26.58 | dondelelcaro | fhd: depends on how you want them to be able to shut it down; you can use shutdown.allow; you can grant them specific access using sudo, or you can enable the option in KDM |
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| 00:27.12 | shingouz | dontpanic: no, you are just a remarkable silence ;) |
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| 00:27.41 | dontpanic | cool I was worried |
| 00:27.43 | croco | hi all..am new to debian...and wanted to know what are the recommended entries i should put in my sources.list to keep up with recent changes/updates? |
| 00:28.05 | dondelelcaro | croco: start with stable until you're familiar enough with Debian; then consider moving to testing. |
| 00:28.09 | ulitz | Maliuta: yeah.. seems people have used spca5xx, ov511 |
| 00:28.23 | dondelelcaro | croco: the entries in your sources.list don't matter all that much since those are just mirrors. |
| 00:28.56 | Quinn_Storm | hey, I was wondering...I'm thinking about setting up a proxy DNS server for my home lan, using an old debian box I already have doing light duty webserving and mailserving as well as cvs serving. I'm wondering if there are any good tutorials on this. basically I want to be able to have it resolve through external dns servers of course, and to be able to inject hostnames I use internally (I'm on a 192.168.x.x network), rather than ha |
| 00:29.13 | croco | and what if i want to upgrade certain package or ask about if there is available update or not? |
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| 00:29.49 | dondelelcaro | Quinn_Storm: you got cut out at the end; regardless, there are a few different ways you can do that. |
| 00:30.22 | dontpanic | is there a link or sight that is for menuconfig? |
| 00:30.30 | fhd | dondelelcaro: I use gdm, is it possible to shutdown kde over gdm? |
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| 00:30.57 | dondelelcaro | fhd: to stop kde, you just log off; to shutdown the computer, you enable the shutdown option in GDM |
| 00:30.58 | Quinn_Storm | well the end of my question was just saying I'm on a 192.168.x.x network and I want to use this rather than distributing /etc/hosts files, and of course I want to use it so I can make updates to what DNS servers I point everything to in one place rather than 5 |
| 00:31.01 | dontpanic | to get help with it |
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| 00:31.35 | dondelelcaro | Quinn_Storm: FE, dnsmasq will cache dns queries and will also serve entries in /etc/hosts. You could alternatively use bind to do the ame. |
| 00:31.39 | dondelelcaro | s/ame/same/ |
| 00:31.43 | fhd | dondelelcaro: hm, I think you misunderstand ... I would like to shutdown directly from kde (when beeing in a hurry for example) |
| 00:32.11 | dondelelcaro | fhd: then enable access to shutdown using sudo or shutdown.allow; |
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| 00:32.13 | AjLavJo | anyone know from their head wich switch to use to open another server window with x-chat? |
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| 00:32.17 | Quinn_Storm | dondelelcaro: what would be a better solution? I don't know much yet about dns serving, and something with a nice clear howto would be nice... |
| 00:32.30 | fhd | dondelelcaro: and then kde will show the options? okay, thank you |
| 00:32.40 | dondelelcaro | fhd: no, that's a command. |
| 00:32.44 | dli | I have to switch between DHCP and static IP, how do I keep the /etc/resolv.conf correct? |
| 00:32.47 | dondelelcaro | fhd: you just run a shell and type sudo shutdown -h now; |
| 00:32.48 | ulitz | Maliuta: I tried loading the spca5xx driver.. and nothing happens |
| 00:33.04 | fhd | dondelelcaro: is there no easy solution to do this from the logout menu of kde? |
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| 00:33.07 | dondelelcaro | Quinn_Storm: it really depends on what you're doing. dnsmasq is probably a good starting point. There's really not a howto, but the documentation should walk you through it. |
| 00:33.47 | dondelelcaro | fhd: I don't think there's a builtin method, you can trivially add a menu option to run shutdown though |
| 00:33.49 | Quinn_Storm | dondelelcaro: well I'll look into dnsmasq then, that might be enough. basically I want to be able to point the resolv.conf of all my other boxen to my debian server box, and then have it fetch from the "real world" when it needs to / read a hosts file if not |
| 00:34.00 | s_ward | dli, are you switching between networks? Try laptop-net |
| 00:34.03 | Quinn_Storm | dondelelcaro: fhd: there is a builtin kde shutdown method but you need to be using kdm |
| 00:34.24 | dli | sw_ward: I tried netenv, useless, it never sets anything right |
| 00:34.46 | fhd | Quinn_Storm: can I use gdm themes for kdm somehow? |
| 00:35.00 | Quinn_Storm | fhd: I'm not sure...I think there is some kind of preliminary support but its unlikely |
| 00:35.21 | fhd | okay, thank you guys. I'll fool around with it a little. cya |
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| 00:36.49 | FieldySnuts | ~mhallsmite test |
| 00:36.49 | apt | Fuck test. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 00:36.52 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 00:37.02 | kitty-kun | wtf? |
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| 00:37.23 | kitty-kun | i went to install some fucking dependency for kdebase-dev and it uninstalled ALL OF KDE! |
| 00:37.35 | FieldySnuts | :/ |
| 00:37.49 | dondelelcaro | kitty-kun: uh, kdebase-dev pretty much depends on most of kde |
| 00:37.53 | AjLavJo | is there a way to only remove some of the locales? |
| 00:38.06 | ulitz | Maliuta: I'm confused.. don't know what to do after loading module |
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| 00:38.53 | kitty-kun | UNinstalled that shouldn't happen |
| 00:38.56 | kitty-kun | updating sure |
| 00:39.02 | kitty-kun | but not completely UNINSTALLING! |
| 00:39.13 | Phated | It's doing you a favour. |
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| 00:39.34 | sadfgg | Is there anyone here that is familliar with gconftool-2? |
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| 00:42.45 | kitty-kun | HOW IS IT DOING ME A FAVOR BY UNINSTALLING MY MOST-USED DESKTOP?! |
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| 00:43.50 | dondelelcaro | kitty-kun: lose the caps please; exactly what are you installing and exactly what is being uninstalled? |
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| 00:44.03 | dondelelcaro | kitty-kun: use the paster bot to paste the entire list |
| 00:44.43 | Quinn_Storm | thanks, dnsmasq is doing what I wanted |
| 00:44.58 | dondelelcaro | Quinn_Storm: cool. It has a dhcp server too, so you may want to disable that if you've already got one. |
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| 00:45.17 | Quinn_Storm | dondelelcaro: it came disabled by default for that reason, so I left it disabled |
| 00:45.37 | dondelelcaro | Quinn_Storm: ah, good. |
| 00:46.11 | chealer | kitty-kun: could we borrow you your crystal ball so we can guess what's happening? |
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| 00:46.15 | kitty-kun | hang on |
| 00:46.19 | sadfgg | How can I do this is a different user in script and then switch back to root?: gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "/usr/share/images/desktop-base/Debian.jpg" |
| 00:46.22 | dondelelcaro | chealer: that's not necessary. |
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| 00:46.43 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, Have you some experience with gconftool-2? |
| 00:46.55 | kitty-kun | i run apt-get install kdebase-devb |
| 00:46.58 | kitty-kun | dev* |
| 00:47.04 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: I don't run gnome |
| 00:47.05 | chealer | dondelelcaro: hopefully kitty-kun makes it so |
| 00:47.08 | kitty-kun | but it says there's a broken dependency |
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| 00:47.11 | holo | hi |
| 00:47.12 | Quinn_Storm | now I just need to remember where the hosts.txt file is on my windows machine so I can remove it, heh |
| 00:47.27 | coffin-boffin | hello |
| 00:47.28 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, ok, xdm? |
| 00:47.30 | dondelelcaro | kitty-kun: use the paster bot to paste the complete output of the run that you're trying to do; and the output of apt-cache policy; |
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| 00:48.08 | Quinn_Storm | well either way it works |
| 00:48.47 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, but you know how to run a command as a different user in a script |
| 00:48.50 | sadfgg | ? |
| 00:48.57 | holo | anyone had problems compiling kernel with the most recent bootsplash patch? |
| 00:48.58 | dondelelcaro | chealer: I'm refering specifically to your response; when people aren't providing enough information it's best to ask them for the exact information you need. Snarky (although correct) comments don't really help. |
| 00:49.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell holo -about ask |
| 00:49.26 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I guess that might have been snarky indeed |
| 00:49.38 | coffin-boffin | jackd 0.100-0.2 Latest --- When is it going install without removing almost ALL other useful apps?? Anyone? |
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| 00:49.41 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I'll make sure to capitalize it next time |
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| 00:49.50 | kitty-kun | paster bot? |
| 00:49.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell kitty-kun -about paster |
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| 00:50.00 | holo | dondelelcaro, are you some compiler or something? |
| 00:50.01 | dondelelcaro | sadfgg: yes; you do so using su or sudo or something else that can setuid/seteuid |
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| 00:50.44 | sadfgg | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 00:50.53 | holo | obviously im having some problem compiling that |
| 00:51.24 | dondelelcaro | holo: so give us the exact issue that you're having. Use the paster bot if you need to. |
| 00:51.26 | paster | "Kitty-Kun" at 70.16.80.34 pasted "Help" (48 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/447 |
| 00:51.53 | dondelelcaro | kitty-kun: and the output of apt-cache policy; ? |
| 00:51.59 | fuhr | Anyone here use glade for create python source? |
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| 00:53.15 | toresbe | Anyone here speak Romanian? |
| 00:53.31 | coffin-boffin | Anyone here got Rosegarden4 to work without freezing?? |
| 00:53.33 | kitty-kun | meh |
| 00:53.39 | kitty-kun | i'll just figure it out myself |
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| 00:53.52 | holo | http://pastebin.com/329634 <- bootsplash |
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| 00:54.55 | dondelelcaro | holo: are you bulding with gcc-4.0 by chance? |
| 00:55.49 | dondelelcaro | kitty-kun: it's quite rude to ask for help here and then not provide the information that we need to solve the problem. If you do so, you're wasting our time. |
| 00:56.04 | chealer | kitty-kun: you *shouldn't* have 3.4.0 in there |
| 00:56.12 | holo | dondelelcaro, bigfoot:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10# file /usr/bin/gcc |
| 00:56.12 | holo | /usr/bin/gcc: symbolic link to `gcc-4.0' |
| 00:56.13 | chealer | !kde3.4 |
| 00:56.13 | dpkg | it has been said that kde3.4 is not really packaged yet, or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34, or not supported anywhere, *particularly* #debian |
| 00:56.26 | chealer | kitty-kun: that factoid is in /topic |
| 00:56.31 | d_ | hey, can I get the latest kernel from kernel.org or should I stick with the debian one? |
| 00:56.37 | d_ | (i cant get my raid card to work) |
| 00:56.39 | dondelelcaro | holo: yeah, you want to build with gcc-3.4; use make footarget HOSTCC="gcc-3.4" or similar. |
| 00:56.53 | chealer | d_: sid has the latest stable (2.6.12) |
| 00:57.03 | dondelelcaro | d_: you can do whatever you want; I'd suggest using the Debian kernel unless you really know what you're doing. |
| 00:57.09 | d_ | i dont know what im doing |
| 00:57.16 | d_ | how to I apt-get to sid? |
| 00:57.19 | kitty-kun | so? |
| 00:57.22 | dondelelcaro | d_: are you running 2.6.8 or 2.4? |
| 00:57.24 | kitty-kun | it's stable |
| 00:57.35 | d_ | dondek: 2.6 |
| 00:57.37 | kitty-kun | i'll get it out of the stable after it removes this time |
| 00:57.37 | dondelelcaro | kitty-kun: stable only has 3.3 |
| 00:57.54 | kitty-kun | REALLY?! |
| 00:58.01 | dondelelcaro | !info kdebase-dev stable |
| 00:58.03 | dpkg | kdebase-dev: (KDE Base (development files)), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 448 kB |
| 00:58.12 | chealer | kitty-kun: if it's stable for you, it's not supported here anyway. go to #debian-kde if you really want to spend your time on KDE 3.4.0 |
| 00:58.13 | kitty-kun | yeah |
| 00:58.20 | holo | dondelelcaro, where do i find footarget so i can change it? |
| 00:58.33 | dondelelcaro | holo: uh, you're running make bzimage or something, right? |
| 00:58.39 | dondelelcaro | kitty-kun: this is why I asked for you to give me the output of apt-cache policy;. |
| 00:58.53 | chealer | d_: you're running sarge? |
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| 00:58.56 | d_ | dondelelcaro: i am 4 days into linux, you reccomend I go to sid? |
| 00:58.59 | d_ | chealer: yes |
| 00:59.01 | holo | dondelelcaro, no, debian way |
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| 00:59.05 | dondelelcaro | d_: no. |
| 00:59.10 | chealer | !tell d_ about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 00:59.27 | d_ | dondelelcaro: atm, I have everything working except my raid card, I dont know how to get it working without rerolling a new kernel |
| 00:59.49 | dondelelcaro | d_: what raid card is that? |
| 00:59.57 | golly | can anyone here gimme some advice on mdmdm RAID 5 config? |
| 01:00.00 | d_ | dondelelcaro: promise fasttrack tx4000 |
| 01:00.10 | dondelelcaro | holo: then man make-kpkg; and read about MAKEFLAGS |
| 01:00.14 | dondelelcaro | holo: (it's in the first 10 lines) |
| 01:00.17 | golly | sorry ... typo....mdamd |
| 01:00.24 | ulitz | could someone tell me if I should modify this script towards the middle to be on less lines.. doesn't seem to run when I execute http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Webcam-HOWTO/dev-intro.html#DEV-MANUAL |
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| 01:01.03 | holo | dondelelcaro, thaks i know howto search manpages :D |
| 01:01.41 | chealer | ulitz: what does it do when you try? |
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| 01:01.51 | dondelelcaro | ulitz: don't run that script. cd /dev; run MAKEDEV video; (if you're using udev, you just need to load the module corresponding to whatever you're trying to use /dev/video for) |
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| 01:03.22 | RogueDopple | boot |
| 01:04.01 | ryden | RogueDopple, no, re - hello :P |
| 01:04.09 | ulitz | dondelelcaro: what if I'm not? |
| 01:04.26 | RogueDopple | well re back at ya |
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| 01:06.27 | ulitz | how can I tell what chipset my web cam runs on? |
| 01:06.33 | mhall | Salutations. How do I get gdb to print the return value if I break on a statement like return doStuff(foo, bar, baz, boo) |
| 01:06.48 | kevinv | Does anyone know of a program that can mimic the effect of the bootsplash console-backdrop image? |
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| 01:09.25 | d_ | dondelelcaro: do you reccomend I get the latest kernel from sid update? |
| 01:10.16 | ttick | how do I get a "pem" formatted CA from my self-signed mailserver's cert file? |
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| 01:11.01 | ttick | I'm trying to get msmtp to talk to my server's exim4. And it fails on the cert check. |
| 01:11.09 | daedalus_ | kevinv: program? |
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| 01:11.37 | daedalus_ | kevinv: last I checked, you dumped a image file in /boot/ with the right name and it became the boot image |
| 01:11.48 | liable | exit |
| 01:11.55 | bob||burnquist | can anyone tell me if there is a similar program to "Novii Remote" that runs on J2ME? |
| 01:12.05 | daedalus_ | err where by image I mean "picture" |
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| 01:12.59 | kevinv | daedalus_: Not what I was looking for, but thanks. I am looking for a frame-buffer based terminal which would have a nice image in the background. |
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| 01:13.47 | bob||burnquist | ?? |
| 01:14.10 | kevinv | It's that my friends sometimes think the console mode is DOS. I also would like it to show off Linux effects. |
| 01:14.48 | kevinv | By having an image behind the console, it has more effect, and looks great and is also friendly to some eyes. |
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| 01:15.14 | bob||burnquist | knoppix have it |
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| 01:15.24 | kevinv | I have already downloaded 'splashy', which is the bootplash screen. |
| 01:15.30 | daedalus_ | kevinv: ah... Uh, I don't know of anything like that. |
| 01:15.39 | daedalus_ | kevinw: Why not use x and xterms? |
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| 01:15.42 | kevinv | I love debian the most out of anyother distribution. |
| 01:15.56 | kevinv | I use the console mode quite alot. |
| 01:16.12 | kevinv | but it looks so... un-eyecandy friendly. |
| 01:16.13 | Witigonen | Hey all.. I just upgrade dovecot on my Debian server and now I'm getting that imap_listen is an invalid setting.. any ideas? |
| 01:16.18 | d_ | okay, once I do a apt-get kernel-source where does it put it? |
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| 01:16.28 | bob||burnquist | i also love debian, but i'm running knoppix right now |
| 01:16.45 | kevinv | I used MEPIS, but it's bloated, Debian isn't. But MEPIS does have the offical bootsplash patch. |
| 01:16.50 | tag | hurm |
| 01:16.56 | tag | too bad you're not really bob burnquist |
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| 01:17.09 | bob||burnquist | acctually... i'm running Kurumin... a sort of Brazilian knoppix |
| 01:17.20 | bob||burnquist | tag: lol , i think the same |
| 01:17.25 | kevinv | I love debian because it's so customizable and has so many packages that can be apt'd instantly. |
| 01:17.44 | tag | so customizable compared to what |
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| 01:18.02 | kevinv | Other distibutions and Winblows. |
| 01:18.17 | tag | such as which other distributions |
| 01:18.35 | kevinv | I have used SuSE, there are too little packages, and the ones that are there can't be apt'd fast like in Debian. |
| 01:18.45 | tag | linux distributions are like a table cloth, the table underneath is what is actually holding verything up, the cloth is just to cover the ugly |
| 01:19.06 | Ronin | tag: interesting analogy |
| 01:19.09 | bob||burnquist | great pint |
| 01:19.13 | bob||burnquist | *point |
| 01:19.25 | kevinv | I have used many distributions in the past, and keep coming back to Debian everytime. |
| 01:19.36 | bob||burnquist | hey.... is there some sort of tv remote control that can run on a cell phone? |
| 01:19.41 | bob||burnquist | random |
| 01:19.42 | tag | I mean what is a distribution, typically its an installer, and a package system, and some naziing about filesystem structure. |
| 01:20.00 | kevinv | I tried to install for example, 'Sylpheed' under SuSE, it failed. I couldn't find a copy for 9.3 Pro. |
| 01:20.03 | tag | sometimes it includes a few customizations to some of the other packaged software that comes with it |
| 01:20.28 | kevinv | Debian is also less branded. |
| 01:20.42 | tag | debian is pretty branded compared to say, slackware. |
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| 01:20.51 | kevinv | Other distributions change core tools. |
| 01:20.59 | tag | so does debian |
| 01:21.07 | tag | also debian changes alot of shit about the software it packages |
| 01:21.11 | tag | such as packaging perl and perldoc seperately |
| 01:21.15 | kevinv | Not as much as some that I have seen. |
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| 01:21.43 | kevinv | For example having a very simple apt-get program compared to a bulky GUI installer. |
| 01:21.46 | tag | I guess you're not a developer |
| 01:21.55 | tag | changes? That's not a change |
| 01:21.58 | tag | that's a "feature" |
| 01:22.04 | kevinv | YaST2 is soo slow, I couldn't take the wait. |
| 01:22.34 | tag | and additionally, the installer and the package management are typically seperate entities although sometimes the later relies on the prior |
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| 01:22.36 | kevinv | True, I am not a developer, but a web developer. |
| 01:23.10 | tag | well, as a developer I've noticed debian packages almost never, ever come as the software is actually distributed by its authoring entity |
| 01:23.13 | kevinv | I use Linux mainly for web development and it's stability. |
| 01:23.34 | tag | what kind of web development do you do? |
| 01:23.50 | kevinv | I guess I have just gotten so used to Debian that I think that. |
| 01:24.01 | kevinv | LAMP |
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| 01:24.22 | tag | LAMP, god another stupid acronym, what does it mean "linux apache mysql php"? |
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| 01:24.37 | kevinv | Yup, or other things as well. |
| 01:24.53 | kevinv | Linux Apache MySQL PHP/Perl/Python |
| 01:25.05 | kevinv | But I mostly use PHP, and sometimes Perl |
| 01:25.07 | tag | three horrible technologies on a mediocre unix clone? |
| 01:25.15 | tag | crappy |
| 01:25.18 | kevinv | lol, true |
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| 01:25.28 | kevinv | But Unix is very costy |
| 01:25.43 | kevinv | I love OpenBSD, but Debian is my choice. |
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| 01:26.15 | tag | I use debian because BSD isn't laptop friendly and I like to install software NOW |
| 01:26.17 | kevinv | Plus I love the security, in debian the security is on high automaticly |
| 01:26.34 | asg | tag: OpenBSD is friendly on laptops, just not shitty ones. |
| 01:26.45 | kevinv | Same here, I like apt-get more then anyother install method. |
| 01:26.47 | tag | asg: Not nearly as friendly as linux is |
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| 01:27.49 | asg | tag: sure it is. It just depends on the hardware. Thinkpads fully work with both. |
| 01:28.02 | tag | asg: My shortcut keys above my keyboard, palm detection, two and three finger clicks on my touch pad, internal low power consumption wifi, nic, variable speed processor, usb 2, firewire, lid switch, power button (graceful shutdown), and infrared all work great with almost no effort at all |
| 01:28.17 | daedalus_ | asg: I have yet to see an OpenBSD install go without a hiccup... and I've worked with some pretty damn sharp bsd folks |
| 01:28.20 | herbi | can someone help me with my gtkpod issues? |
| 01:28.24 | tag | the chances of that happening in bsd - I mean my lid switch? give me a break. |
| 01:28.27 | herbi | i can mount/put files on my ipod shuffle |
| 01:28.41 | asg | daedalus_: it was a flawless install on the R40 just as Debian was. |
| 01:28.46 | herbi | but when i close gtkpod it says /dev/sda1 didnt unmount successfully (although it gets unmounted) |
| 01:29.04 | daedalus_ | asg: congrats. Wish we were that lucky |
| 01:29.18 | tag | asg: Getting it to run, sure that possible, and use most of my major hardware components...but not that kind of stuff. ;-) |
| 01:29.28 | herbi | so i did an strace on gtkpod.log, and |
| 01:29.31 | asg | tag: in that case, I agree there are some deficiencies |
| 01:29.35 | herbi | open("/dev/sda1", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK) = 6 |
| 01:29.36 | herbi | ioctl(6, CDROMEJECT, 0xbffff478) = -1 EIO (Input/output error) |
| 01:29.48 | herbi | ioctl(6, SG_GET_VERSION_NUM, 0xbffff3ac) = 0 |
| 01:29.48 | herbi | ioctl(6, SG_IO, 0xbffff400) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
| 01:30.09 | herbi | same problem if i do it as rot. |
| 01:30.11 | herbi | root* |
| 01:30.30 | tag | but anyway my point was I was picking on kevinv for 1) Using the acronym LAMP, 2) Using MySQL, 3) Using PHP |
| 01:30.30 | daedalus_ | herbi: have you lost data? |
| 01:30.36 | herbi | daedalus_, it doesnt look like it |
| 01:30.54 | asg | herbi: looks like something is using the cdrom. Does fuser or lsof indicate which process is using it? |
| 01:31.26 | daedalus_ | herbi: then....? It looks like it's choking on the 'eject' command, which your usb driver might not support. Have you plugged any of that into google yet? |
| 01:32.01 | herbi | google doesnt give anything |
| 01:32.12 | herbi | nothing is using the cdrom, i dont even know what the cdrom has to do with gtkpod! |
| 01:32.15 | AjLavJo | hehe i bet it does |
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| 01:32.53 | herbi | AjLavJo, oh yeah? |
| 01:33.08 | AjLavJo | oh yes >( |
| 01:33.12 | AjLavJo | :) |
| 01:33.37 | herbi | maybe you have a different google to em |
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| 01:34.19 | Nico | qual o canal brasileiro do debian |
| 01:34.19 | daedalus_ | herbi: well, have you tried ejecting the device by hand? |
| 01:34.39 | gravity | !br |
| 01:34.39 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:34.40 | herbi | its a usb flash drive! |
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| 01:34.56 | asg | herbi: does fuser /mnt/point show anything? |
| 01:34.56 | daedalus_ | like, start gtkpod, kill -9 it (don't transfer anything to it) and then run eject /dev/sda |
| 01:35.11 | herbi | asg, no |
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| 01:35.15 | herbi | daedalus_, ok |
| 01:35.19 | asg | herbi: as root? |
| 01:35.33 | daedalus_ | herbi: eject does a few things such as syncing/unmounting the device |
| 01:35.40 | herbi | sina@gangreen:~$ eject /dev/sda |
| 01:35.41 | herbi | eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument |
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| 01:35.54 | daedalus_ | herbi: Yeah, you'll have to be root.... |
| 01:35.57 | herbi | hmmm |
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| 01:36.01 | herbi | it did work as root |
| 01:36.07 | herbi | the light on the shuffle is green now |
| 01:36.20 | herbi | so its just because eject wont run as user? |
| 01:36.25 | daedalus_ | Perhaps |
| 01:36.33 | herbi | i tried running gtkpod as root, still same problem |
| 01:36.34 | daedalus_ | How is your /etc/fstab set up? |
| 01:36.42 | herbi | /dev/sda1/shufflevfat sync,user,noauto,umask=000 0 0 |
| 01:37.09 | daedalus_ | Dang |
| 01:37.27 | herbi | brb just gotta put some seeds ive been soaking into pots |
| 01:37.38 | daedalus_ | .... |
| 01:37.50 | herbi | alright |
| 01:38.11 | herbi | so how can i rectify this problem |
| 01:38.23 | herbi | ideally id like to just be able to run gtkpod and have everything work |
| 01:38.46 | herbi | oh dont leave right now daedalus_ :/ |
| 01:38.51 | bob||burnquist | hey... is there some sort of tv remote control that can run on a cell phone? |
| 01:38.53 | bob||burnquist | random |
| 01:38.56 | rob_lt | Hi. I'm running etch, and I've added an unstable repo in my sources.list file. I've set up pinning so that testing has priority. I'm trying to install xorg from unstable, but I'm getting the following error: |
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| 01:39.19 | daedalus_ | Did you start and kill gtkpod first before trying that eject command, or did you just try it from the funky state that occurs when you try to close gtkpod |
| 01:39.23 | rob_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.23 | rob_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.43 | asg | rob_lt: mixing versions always leads to pain |
| 01:39.53 | asg | rob_lt: if you want unstable, run unstable (/msg dpkg sid faq) |
| 01:40.02 | asg | rob_lt: otherwise, stay with etch or just run sarge. |
| 01:40.06 | gravity | rob_lt: You need to explicitly install the versions of xserver-common and libselinux1 from unstable |
| 01:40.07 | tag | xorg is in apt!? |
| 01:40.12 | asg | tag: in unstable |
| 01:40.12 | rob_lt | asg: I don't really want unstable, I just want xorg |
| 01:40.16 | tag | sweet |
| 01:40.18 | tag | when did that happen? |
| 01:40.25 | daedalus_ | tag: a while ago |
| 01:40.30 | gravity | Yeah... when did that happen? A month ago? |
| 01:40.34 | asg | rob_lt: then use unstable, wait for it to go into etch, or use sarge + backports. |
| 01:40.34 | daedalus_ | tag: like, a month or so |
| 01:40.36 | tag | will my X configuration port over easily? |
| 01:40.38 | asg | tag: a few weeks ago |
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| 01:40.44 | daedalus_ | tag: no |
| 01:40.48 | rob_lt | asg: ok, thanks for your advice. |
| 01:40.49 | tag | CRAP |
| 01:40.54 | gravity | tag: It's supposed to |
| 01:40.56 | tag | X was a bitch to set up |
| 01:40.57 | gravity | daedalus_: Er.... yes it will |
| 01:41.07 | gravity | daedalus_: What problems did you have with it? |
| 01:41.15 | daedalus_ | gravity: well, depends upon your defn of "easy" ;) |
| 01:41.26 | gravity | daedalus_: "Automagically" is pretty easy |
| 01:41.29 | rob_lt | I haven't had issue any other time I've used xorg |
| 01:41.36 | daedalus_ | gravity: I took it on good advice to start over. Maybe I was mislead. |
| 01:41.46 | asg | gravity: thanks for the great work on xorg btw (and all the others) |
| 01:42.08 | gravity | daedalus_: The package basically copies your XFree86 config file directly if you've altered it, and if not it generates a new one from your answers in the debconf database |
| 01:42.09 | tag | automagically is what I like |
| 01:42.14 | gravity | asg: My pleasure :-) |
| 01:42.45 | gravity | daedalus_: I'm running my xorg.conf that I copied myself from XF86Config-4 a while back |
| 01:42.51 | gravity | So yeah, it migrates easy |
| 01:42.52 | daedalus_ | gravity: the other guy in the lab must have really screwed himself up then. Good to hear it would have been easy :) |
| 01:42.54 | gravity | Or should |
| 01:43.02 | rob_lt | gravity: are you running unstable? |
| 01:43.05 | tag | worse comes to worse I could always just reinstall the old one if it sucks |
| 01:43.07 | daedalus_ | gravity: well, cool :) |
| 01:43.10 | gravity | daedalus_: I hope he sent a bug report |
| 01:43.13 | gravity | rob_lt: Yes |
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| 01:43.17 | asg | daedalus_: the issues you heard about probably had to do with binary ati/nvidia borkage. |
| 01:43.23 | gravity | Oh... right. |
| 01:43.30 | gravity | nvidia-glx. Sorry about that one. |
| 01:43.31 | rob_lt | wtf... I'm getting bored with this box being so stable |
| 01:43.34 | daedalus_ | Yeah, we are an nvidia shop.... |
| 01:43.38 | gravity | Ah |
| 01:43.48 | asg | !bless rob_lt |
| 01:43.49 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child rob_lt, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 01:44.02 | gravity | Yeah, I broke the nvidia-glx package for a while. I didn't realize that I didn't have to do it. It's fixed now, but yeah... brown paper bag |
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| 01:44.18 | gravity | That was the big issue for most people. |
| 01:44.19 | daedalus_ | laugh |
| 01:44.34 | asg | gravity: considering all the ABI stuff, it was quite painless (considering other sid changes we've had in the past) |
| 01:44.35 | gravity | "OMG!!!1111oNEOnEOnne Where's my 3d accel!!??" |
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| 01:44.44 | tag | yeah its running some scripts to migrate the stuff now |
| 01:44.44 | daedalus_ | gravity: well, good to hear it ironed out. Some breakage in the name of progress |
| 01:44.47 | gravity | asg: Agreed, although it's stalled out |
| 01:44.48 | daedalus_ | !beer gravity |
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| 01:45.01 | Kitty-kun | ok |
| 01:45.04 | rob_lt | well, I'm using the kernel radeon driver, so hopefully I'll be ok |
| 01:45.09 | Kitty-kun | now there's another broken package |
| 01:45.09 | tag | ok sweet, trying it |
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| 01:46.02 | gravity | rob_lt: Yeah, if it's not ati's proprietary driver you should be Ok |
| 01:46.06 | gravity | Dunno for the binary deal |
| 01:46.24 | kevinv | sorry, I was watching a movie. |
| 01:46.25 | Kitty-kun | where's the paste thingy again? |
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| 01:46.35 | kevinv | Remember that movie, 'The Net'? |
| 01:46.43 | rob_lt | well, I'm just doing an "apt-get install apt" and then I'm going to do a dist-upgrade |
| 01:46.45 | daedalus_ | !tell Kitty-kun about paster |
| 01:46.53 | gravity | rob_lt: Use aptitude |
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| 01:47.05 | gravity | rob_lt: apt is kinda sorta not as good for complex upgrades |
| 01:47.29 | rob_lt | gravity: just for the dist-upgrade, or do you suggest I use it instead of apt at all times? |
| 01:47.54 | paster | "Kitty-Kun" at 70.16.80.34 pasted "Help again" (23 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/448 |
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| 01:48.33 | gravity | rob_lt: Honestly, at all times |
| 01:48.56 | gravity | rob_lt: Although I don't use it command-line mode often, so it may cause issues that I'm not aware of. Generally it's much better than apt-get though from what I understand. |
| 01:49.01 | juanjose | hullo |
| 01:49.07 | rob_lt | gravity: ok, I appreciate your recommendations.... I'll give aptitude a go. |
| 01:49.53 | juanjose | are there any 2.6 kernels in sarge with no framebuffer support? (for i386) |
| 01:49.57 | Kitty-kun | some help please |
| 01:50.03 | asg | Kitty-kun: did you run 'apt-get -f install' as instructed? |
| 01:50.08 | Kitty-kun | yeah |
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| 01:50.15 | Kitty-kun | apt-get -f install which package? |
| 01:50.17 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: when you're pinning, you have to specify things to upgrade by hand, if I recall correctly (someone else stop me if I'm wrong...), so you will have to specify amarok amarok-engine konq-plugins |
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| 01:50.31 | asg | Kitty-kun: just 'apt-get -f install' |
| 01:50.32 | Kitty-kun | same thing |
| 01:50.41 | gravity | pinning... pain. How I hate it. |
| 01:50.58 | Kitty-kun | there, it's still there |
| 01:51.41 | Kitty-kun | still not working |
| 01:51.47 | daedalus_ | Kitty-kun: Have you considered a graphical front end, like synaptic? (do you have X running?) It may make things a little less painful |
| 01:51.53 | daedalus_ | !not working |
| 01:51.54 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 01:51.55 | gravity | aptitude++ |
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| 01:52.05 | tag | Okey, it works...now where are the advantages? |
| 01:52.16 | dondelelcaro | !depends amarok stable |
| 01:52.18 | dpkg | amarok: depends on amarok-engines | amarok-engine, kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-4.0.2), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libmysqlclient12, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.1.6), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libtag1 (>= 1.3.1), libtunepimp2 (>= 0.3.0), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), ... |
| 01:52.18 | gravity | tag: To X.Org? |
| 01:52.21 | asg | Kitty-kun: if you are trying to install amarok from unstable or something, try 'apt-get -t unstable install amarok' |
| 01:52.22 | tag | yeah |
| 01:52.35 | tag | didn't I see some cool transparency stuff and other fun junk how do I get to that |
| 01:52.38 | dondelelcaro | !info amarok-engines stable |
| 01:52.39 | dpkg | amarok-engines: (output engines for the amaroK audio player), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.2.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 01:52.46 | gravity | tag: There's been a few under the hood changes, but the big one is new drivers for cards that didn't have them before, or 3d accel for cards that only had 2d previously |
| 01:52.57 | tag | ok. |
| 01:52.57 | daedalus_ | gravity: doesn't aptitude not respect holds from apt/dselect/synaptic? |
| 01:52.59 | gravity | tag: The transparency stuff is kinda crap right now, but that's being fixed |
| 01:53.09 | gravity | daedalus_: I don't know, I only use aptitude |
| 01:53.29 | tag | gravity: how do I get to it? |
| 01:53.33 | gravity | tag: Although if you want to download xcompmgr and transset you can play with those things, but they're sloooooow |
| 01:53.41 | tag | oh |
| 01:53.43 | daedalus_ | gravity: *nods* You might want to check out synaptic sometime. The search and display features are crunk. |
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| 01:53.58 | dvs | crunk? |
| 01:54.03 | dvs | That sounds bad |
| 01:54.04 | gravity | tag: A package is on the way, but for now if you want to download the tarball and do the make dance you can get it |
| 01:54.05 | daedalus_ | Uh... ++ good |
| 01:54.14 | asg | dvs: I expect 'da bomb' to be the translation |
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| 01:54.20 | gravity | daedalus_: I looked at it a while ago, but I still don't like it. aptitude bends to my will nicely |
| 01:54.24 | dvs | asg: Oh I see |
| 01:54.29 | dondelelcaro | sounds like a crunk cup gone bad. |
| 01:54.41 | tag | well if they're that slow I'll talk your word for it and just stick with what I got |
| 01:54.41 | paxl | Is ther a Clean way to eject [ unmount a usb-storage device.. ] ? |
| 01:54.46 | tag | pretty used to my setup anyway |
| 01:54.46 | Kitty-kun | it's still not working |
| 01:54.50 | paxl | to dont get any read error |
| 01:54.58 | dvs | paxl: umount? |
| 01:55.00 | tag | so why I switched to x-org I dunno hopefully it leaks ram a little less :-) |
| 01:55.02 | asg | paxl: umount /mnt/point ; remove the device |
| 01:55.12 | gravity | tag: Well, hopefully :-) |
| 01:55.17 | gravity | Did Xfree86 leak for you? |
| 01:55.25 | tag | Yeah |
| 01:55.30 | paxl | dvs: I still get that kind of [ warning in the dmesg ] Device not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive. |
| 01:55.39 | marinka | Hi, can anyone help me I need to know how to restrict ports for my amule p2p fire sharing program. I looked in the program but could not get that full control . I know it randomly selects 2 ports for incoming communication. Can anyone help me? |
| 01:55.43 | tag | it did, just slowly sucked up more and more ram |
| 01:55.45 | paxl | when I remove a CF card... |
| 01:55.57 | dondelelcaro | Kitty-kun: give us the output of apt-get install konq-plugins; since that's the first issue that you've got. |
| 01:56.19 | gravity | Well, X is apparently full of leaks, but people are looking at plugging them |
| 01:56.27 | gravity | It's just such a massive beast that's got so much crufty buildup |
| 01:56.35 | tag | yeah |
| 01:56.40 | tag | I realize this |
| 01:56.48 | daedalus_ | paxl: try 'eject /dev/device' |
| 01:56.51 | tag | XFree86 used to leak like a sivve |
| 01:57.20 | kc5 | Hi, can anyone help me I need to know how to restrict ports for my amule p2p file sharing program. I looked in the program but could not get that full control . I know it randomly selects 2 ports for incoming communication. Can anyone help me? |
| 01:57.29 | paster | "Kitty-Kun" at 70.16.80.34 pasted "Help again" (18 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/449 |
| 01:57.39 | tag | I'm goin home screw this its like 7 |
| 01:57.46 | x86jimmy | kc5: iptables... |
| 01:57.52 | tag | wtf am I doing at the office |
| 01:58.00 | kc5 | x86jimmy: thats exactly my point |
| 01:58.06 | daedalus_ | Kitty-Kun: please, in the future, use a more informative title than "Help again" in your pastes.... |
| 01:58.17 | x86jimmy | kc5: what you need to know how to make an iptables cript? |
| 01:58.25 | kc5 | x86jimmy: i got a self made hw firewall that needs to know what ports to filter and amule selects them rather randomly |
| 01:58.29 | Kitty-kun | sorry |
| 01:58.31 | dvs | daedalus_: How about "Help with Debian"? ;-) |
| 01:58.38 | asg | kc5: if amule cannot be configured to use static ports, you will have to write a wrapper to check, after it comes up, which ports are used and then add iptables rules. |
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| 01:58.42 | kc5 | x86jimmy: i made my own firewall script its not the point |
| 01:58.51 | dondelelcaro | Kitty-kun: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/konq-plugins_4%3a3.3.2-4_i386.deb; then try to install kdeaddons again. |
| 01:58.59 | kc5 | asg: thats long and complicated |
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| 01:59.07 | kc5 | asg: any cleaner solution |
| 01:59.09 | kc5 | ?? |
| 01:59.12 | x86jimmy | kc5: filter all of them except the ones you want then |
| 01:59.12 | daedalus_ | dvs: Heh... He has a history of not... playing nice with #debian... |
| 01:59.32 | asg | kc5: look to see if there is an iptables contrack module. Otherwise, that's about as good as it's going to get. |
| 01:59.42 | kryptech | Hello, I have installed (with apt-get) automake1.9 package, but when I type 'automake --version' I still get 1.4 |
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| 01:59.53 | kc5 | x86jimmy: thats what i am trying to do accept amule then doesn't get full speed, |
| 01:59.59 | mathieu_ | i'm making a cd that I want to use cdtext with from the console |
| 02:00.00 | dondelelcaro | kryptech: automake1.9 --version; 1.4 is the default. |
| 02:00.06 | asg | kryptech: what does automake1.9 --version say? |
| 02:00.08 | kc5 | asg: got one ipp2p |
| 02:00.14 | dondelelcaro | s/1.9/-1.9/ |
| 02:00.25 | mathieu_ | i'm not sure how to do this as I don't have any .inf files |
| 02:00.33 | kc5 | asg: doesn't do the job all too well. I figure its easier to just forward static ports but cannot find anything that would help me .. |
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| 02:01.01 | kryptech | asg and dondelcaro: when I do automake1.9 from the shell I get a file not found, am misunderstading you? |
| 02:01.08 | asg | kc5: as complex as a wrapper is, it's probably the only way. |
| 02:01.09 | dondelelcaro | kryptech: automake-1.9 --version |
| 02:01.13 | asg | kc5: automake-1.9 |
| 02:01.16 | Kitty-kun | THANK YOU! That worked marvelously! |
| 02:01.18 | kc5 | asg: if amule selects random ports how do i know which one to forward ? |
| 02:01.19 | asg | bah |
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| 02:01.46 | asg | kc5: that's why you write a script wrapper to start it, then check what it's using, then write iptables rules. |
| 02:01.53 | kryptech | dondelelcaro: ahh |
| 02:02.08 | libertine | i want to change my apt source to unstable,upgrade my system to unstable debian system,any idea |
| 02:02.20 | asg | kc5: you could always complain to the authors of amule and ask them to use a protocol that is firewall friendly. |
| 02:02.28 | dondelelcaro | libertine: in general, if you have to ask, you shouldn't. Consider using testing instead. |
| 02:02.37 | Ronin | libertine: basically if you cant figure out how to do it you shouldnt |
| 02:02.38 | kc5 | asg: been there done that .. i am sure I am not the only one.. |
| 02:03.11 | daedalus_ | kc5: if you are not the only one, then perhaps there is something in google about this? |
| 02:03.37 | daedalus_ | kryptech: were you wanting to use automake 1.9 by default? |
| 02:03.56 | kc5 | daedalus_: perhaps is a broad word. There are tons of solutions .. and I tried to even use the ipp2p match module for iptables along with the --edk option but still no luck.. |
| 02:03.58 | kryptech | yes, I found out how |
| 02:04.03 | kryptech | removed automke1.4 |
| 02:04.23 | daedalus_ | kryptech: that's one way. You can also repoint the symlink in /etc/alternatives |
| 02:04.36 | kc5 | any firewall gurus that got ipp2p to work to its full extent here ? |
| 02:04.39 | dondelelcaro | kryptech: that's one way, you could also just update-alternatives --config automake |
| 02:04.40 | daedalus_ | kryptech: so then you can keep as many versions around as you like.... |
| 02:04.50 | asg | kc5: #iptables might have some |
| 02:05.03 | libertine | Ronin: sorry for my poor english |
| 02:05.08 | kryptech | okay, thanks guys (dondelelcaro and daedalus_) |
| 02:05.09 | kc5 | thanx. |
| 02:05.10 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: Ooooh... didn't know about that... Makes sense. Almost like someone took the time to plan the system :) |
| 02:05.14 | kc5 | ciao |
| 02:06.21 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: most things in Debian are fairly well planed; they're just not centrally documented |
| 02:06.42 | Kitty-kun | how do i fix this? |
| 02:06.54 | asg | dondelelcaro: time to write that book: 'All I wanted to learn about Debian but didn't know where to start.' |
| 02:07.28 | dondelelcaro | asg: heh. Martin Krafft's book is kind of along those lines |
| 02:07.56 | Kitty-kun | are the versions in stable too old? |
| 02:07.57 | asg | dondelelcaro: yes, though I was thinking of something less formal. |
| 02:08.10 | Ronin | Kitty-kun: stable is only a couple of months old |
| 02:08.11 | dondelelcaro | Kitty-kun: it would help if you'd tell us what the problem is. |
| 02:08.30 | asg | dondelelcaro: maybe even an O'Reilly Hacks book. |
| 02:08.55 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: Very true. I was saying that mostly in jest. |
| 02:09.17 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: sure; was just pointing out why you didn't already know about it |
| 02:09.32 | daedalus_ | *nods* |
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| 02:10.22 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: with the prevalence of update-* scripts/progs, I really should have thought to look there though. |
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| 02:10.30 | IcE-bOy | hi |
| 02:10.54 | IcE-bOy | i'm trying to build courier 0.51 in debian sarge and i have problems with libfam |
| 02:10.57 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: heh. well, you probably would have had better luck with apropos alternatives |
| 02:11.00 | IcE-bOy | http://pastebin.com/329653 <-- this is the log |
| 02:11.10 | IcE-bOy | if somebody could help me .. thanks! |
| 02:11.20 | dondelelcaro | IcE-bOy: is there any reason why you're not using the Debian package of courier? |
| 02:11.37 | IcE-bOy | dondelelcaro: lot of reasons |
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| 02:11.44 | IcE-bOy | for example, maildrop doesn't have mysql support |
| 02:12.00 | Kitty-kun | nevermind... i fixed it |
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| 02:12.02 | Kitty-kun | and uh... yeah |
| 02:12.08 | IcE-bOy | Kitty-kun: ? |
| 02:12.10 | Kitty-kun | stable didn't have the package i needed |
| 02:12.18 | IcE-bOy | :) |
| 02:12.51 | asg | IcE-bOy: the problem is most likely due to you not having a -dev package (libfam-dev for instance) |
| 02:12.52 | dondelelcaro | IcE-bOy: the various -authmysql packages won't do what you need? |
| 02:13.19 | IcE-bOy | dondelelcaro: and the problem is that in last courier verrsions, maildrop doesn't use mysql modules, now use authlib |
| 02:13.30 | IcE-bOy | dondelelcaro: not |
| 02:13.47 | IcE-bOy | dondelelcaro: it has courier mysql support, but not for maildrop :) |
| 02:14.00 | IcE-bOy | asg: i have libfam-dev installed |
| 02:14.03 | IcE-bOy | and ... |
| 02:14.43 | dondelelcaro | IcE-bOy: well, your best bet is starting with the debian source package and changing the build options so maildrop gets the mysql modules; since it looks like you're trying to build with an incompatible versio of libfam |
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| 02:15.16 | IcE-bOy | dondelelcaro: i do it, but the version is too old and doesn't works pretty well |
| 02:16.07 | IcE-bOy | asg libfam-dev is installed and i have this: LIBFAM = -lfam un Makefile |
| 02:16.29 | elmagozizou | Can anyone tell me repositories for debian...all kind of repositories...I try the ones that are in ept-get.org but doesnt work |
| 02:16.50 | dvs | elmagozizou: That's not debian officially |
| 02:16.57 | gravity | elmagozizou: What are you trying to do? |
| 02:17.08 | Ronin | elmagozizou: that a typo? ept-get? |
| 02:17.32 | Kitty-kun | wha? |
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| 02:18.04 | elmagozizou | gravity, am tryng to get all kind of packages, universe, multiuniverse etc.. |
| 02:18.11 | gravity | elmagozizou: Why? |
| 02:18.19 | Kitty-kun | how do i fix this problem? -> ISO C++ forbids declaration of'KXMLGUIClient' with no type |
| 02:18.26 | gravity | elmagozizou: Debian doesn't have universe, multiverse. Go to #ubuntu |
| 02:19.00 | dondelelcaro | Kitty-kun: either change the compiler that you're using, or fix the sourcecode to KXMLGUIClient. |
| 02:19.18 | Isarian | When I try to run startx, I get an error "Fatal server error: no screens found" - anyone able to help? |
| 02:19.25 | elmagozizou | gravity, Im new in debian...I recently try ubuntu...is just to tell you about what im tryng to do... |
| 02:19.26 | IcE-bOy | asg: i have this: |
| 02:19.27 | IcE-bOy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.27 | IcE-bOy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.34 | IcE-bOy | so ... -lfam should be correct ? |
| 02:19.53 | Kitty-kun | How do i do that? |
| 02:20.23 | elmagozizou | gravity, wait let me see something |
| 02:20.27 | Kitty-kun | XD |
| 02:20.35 | Ronin | elmagozizou: if your running ubuntu maybe #ubuntu is where you should ask |
| 02:20.45 | dondelelcaro | Kitty-kun: you're building it, not me. |
| 02:21.03 | elmagozizou | Ronin, no, I currently on debian but before I had ubuntu |
| 02:21.19 | Ronin | elmagozizou: ahh |
| 02:21.25 | dvs | elmagozizou: YOu just changed the sources.list to debian sources. |
| 02:21.31 | dvs | ?? |
| 02:22.09 | elmagozizou | dvs, my problem is that with the sources that I have I cant get packages like mplayer or the nvidia module and drivers |
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| 02:22.39 | Ronin | elmagozizou: how did you install debian? |
| 02:23.39 | dondelelcaro | elmagozizou: there are different sources for each of those; google knows where to find them, as does dpkg (the bot) |
| 02:23.45 | elmagozizou | with apt but from a brasilian ftp...now im adding with the apt-setup tool...more repositories, but doesnt find anything |
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| 02:24.28 | dvs | elmagozizou: so you just changed the sources.list file? |
| 02:24.42 | Ronin | dvs: wanna bet money? :) |
| 02:24.50 | elmagozizou | yeah...but with apt setup |
| 02:25.06 | elmagozizou | dvs, yeah but with apt-setup |
| 02:25.40 | Ronin | elmagozizou: so you ran ubuntu then decied to try debian and changed your apt sources? thats just asking for well major trouble |
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| 02:27.02 | elmagozizou | Ronin, in ubuntu I have by default all kind of repositories...in debian I only have one or two in the beginig and Im adding more with apt-setup but is the same because I dont find what im looking for |
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| 02:29.25 | dondelelcaro | elmagozizou: so add the repositories that correspond to whatever it is that you want to install. Debian by default includes has a gigantic number of packages, which is why the sources.list is so minimal |
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| 02:32.22 | elmagozizou | dondelelcaro, ok but my original question was where I can find those repositories? because I try several in apt-get.org and doesnt work |
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| 02:32.39 | dondelelcaro | elmagozizou: google; ask here. Those are the two places. |
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| 02:39.45 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 02:39.49 | leminhteo | how to ghost in linux |
| 02:40.21 | leminhteo | i want to backup debian os |
| 02:40.25 | leminhteo | how can i do |
| 02:40.29 | leminhteo | pls help me |
| 02:40.45 | chalenged | leminhteo: dd,cpio,tar, rsync would be 4 ways.. |
| 02:40.56 | mwilson | <shrug> Use Ghost. It's not like it's a big deal. Go out and buy Ghost, run Ghost, you're done. |
| 02:41.08 | chalenged | or ghost itself from a boot disk |
| 02:41.25 | leminhteo | ok |
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| 02:41.59 | leminhteo | thanks |
| 02:41.59 | leminhteo | i will try |
| 02:42.00 | liable | leminhteo: look at partimage.. |
| 02:42.47 | kevinv | Does Debian Sarge still have that package that turned a debian system into a boot CD or DVD? |
| 02:43.05 | kevinv | I think it's called 'bootcdwrite' |
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| 02:43.24 | mwilson | kevinv: The stable distribution does not change. |
| 02:43.34 | kevinv | It also allows you to write it back to your hard disk. |
| 02:44.09 | kevinv | Could that be a possible way to ghost a hard disk? I used it before to write a basic debian system to a CD-R. |
| 02:44.24 | kevinv | then install it on many other similar systems from that boot CD. |
| 02:44.27 | chalenged | kevinv: most people have more than a 4.5 GB HDD but i see where your going... |
| 02:44.53 | kevinv | You don't need the entire contents for a basic system, correct? |
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| 02:45.11 | kevinv | Ghost costs $$$. |
| 02:45.18 | mwilson | kevinv: So? |
| 02:45.33 | kevinv | I try to run mainly GNU software. |
| 02:45.38 | mwilson | So? |
| 02:45.44 | dondelelcaro | kevinv: it's called bootcd |
| 02:45.53 | dondelelcaro | !info bootcd sarge |
| 02:45.55 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.48 (sarge), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 02:45.56 | kevinv | I already bought my computer, I don't want to pay extra to use it. |
| 02:45.59 | chalenged | ghost doesnt run its a 1 time per decade used tool for most people.... |
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| 02:46.11 | mwilson | Where is it written that "GNU software" has no price tag associated with it? |
| 02:46.35 | mwilson | kevinv: Ah, so you don't pay for the gas and oil that go into your car, then. |
| 02:46.42 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: there's nothing wrong with not wanting to run proprietary software. |
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| 02:46.50 | kevinv | I know, it simply states that anyone can modify and contribute to any changes. |
| 02:46.52 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: we have vrms for a reason. |
| 02:47.08 | kevinv | I don't drive for that reason. |
| 02:47.20 | kevinv | I am waiting for electic cars. |
| 02:47.21 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: There is when the actual position is "oh, gee, I don't think I should have to pay for anything." |
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| 02:47.41 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: that's a perfectly acceptable position too. |
| 02:47.43 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: And the idea of freedom, or the lack of it, is merely lip service. |
| 02:47.47 | kevinv | Plus software is made once, and copied many times., |
| 02:47.56 | mwilson | kevinv: So? |
| 02:48.04 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: there's a reason why Debian doesn't charge for what it distributes |
| 02:48.05 | kevinv | Hardware, gas, and oil is made by hard work over and over many times. |
| 02:48.25 | kevinv | dondelelcaro: Curious why? |
| 02:48.53 | Bac9 | is there any way to get all allsa apps to use dmix and not ust the apps of the current user? (so that I can have system daemons and regular apps play sound)? |
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| 02:48.58 | mwilson | Wow, apparently software springs fully-formed from the brow, like Athena, and never requires more thought, or maintenance, than that. |
| 02:49.03 | IcE-bOy | somebody can help me with this error while building courier ? http://pastebin.com/329653 |
| 02:49.08 | dondelelcaro | kevinv: because volunteers made the components, volunteers make the distribution; there's no need for us to profit from it. |
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| 02:49.46 | chalenged | bac9 if the software can run via OSS then using aoss APPname solves it but how to make it do that all the time |
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| 02:50.06 | kevinv | There are many other Linux distributions that have those same attributes as well. |
| 02:50.25 | Bac9 | chalenged: what does oss have to do with anything? I am speaking strictly alsa |
| 02:50.49 | Bac9 | chalenged: I just don't know how to get sowtware mixing between apps run by different users |
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| 02:51.09 | kevinv | mwilson: That's a good point, I used ALSA before, and it's not fully compatible yet. |
| 02:51.15 | Bac9 | mwilson: alsa is far more flexible, and in its default config it's no less powerfull then oss |
| 02:51.18 | dondelelcaro | neither alsa nor oss is particularly stellar; however it appears to be easier to write for alsa which is why people are moving that way. |
| 02:51.27 | kevinv | Also a reason why there's ALSA's OSS emulation. |
| 02:51.37 | chalenged | bac9: well if all the apps use alsa then you can try making them use DMIXER as the device instead of HW:1:0 or however it works but most of the guis dont allow entry...doing it via conf files works tho in most....Xine etc.. |
| 02:51.47 | kevinv | My audio card is lucky suppored by OSS |
| 02:51.49 | chalenged | !dmix |
| 02:51.49 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 02:51.51 | jsn | My upgrade to x.org seems to have worked, but everything looks the same. How do I check? |
| 02:52.03 | Kitty-kun | It's supposed to look the same >.> |
| 02:52.03 | mwilson | Bac9: It's a flexibility which is irrelevant for 99.9% of the population, who need nothing more than a clean DAC to play their pirated MP3's. |
| 02:52.17 | Bac9 | chalenged: yes, and how do I make it dmix sound from multiple users, not just apps run by any one user? |
| 02:52.20 | gravity | X -version |
| 02:52.23 | gravity | jsn: ^ |
| 02:52.26 | jsn | merci, gravity |
| 02:52.28 | Kitty-kun | ok |
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| 02:52.33 | chalenged | Bac9: if you look at the alsa.opensrc link and go about halfway doen the page it has the configs for mplayer etc using the other names... |
| 02:52.37 | xNinja | hello |
| 02:52.40 | Bac9 | mwilson: then don't use it, but I really think alsa is nicer |
| 02:52.44 | xNinja | debian or freebsd ? wich one i have to go for |
| 02:53.03 | gravity | xNinja: Try them both and use what you like |
| 02:53.05 | chalenged | Bac9: oh i see what you mean... |
| 02:53.20 | Kitty-kun | debian is nice, but it's farther behind than HELL... |
| 02:53.23 | Kitty-kun | so... uh... yeah |
| 02:53.23 | chalenged | bac9: it doesnt just work like that if they are in the sound/audio group?? |
| 02:53.31 | Bac9 | chalenged: as I said I can get dmix to be used for all apps run by _one_ user, but how to get dmix to be used for apps run by _multiple_ users _simultaneously_? |
| 02:53.45 | chalenged | or have you put dmix in the users config too? |
| 02:53.45 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Not too long ago I had a moron give me chapter and verse about how evil I was because a long-time Linux user who wasn't promoting ALSA. None of my boxen use it. I see no reason to bother with it as long as OSS does what I care for it to do. The complexity of ALSA strikes me as rather silly, when all I have to do with OSS is load one module and I'm done. |
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| 02:54.08 | Bac9 | chalenged: the ~/.asoundrc is on a peruser basis, so I was wondering how to get a systemwide setting |
| 02:54.16 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Apparently I was somehow holding the world back. |
| 02:54.18 | sadfgg | How in hell do I use --owner in a --set-schema for gconftool-2? |
| 02:54.29 | kevinv | What's more perfered udev, or devfs? |
| 02:54.39 | Bac9 | kevinv: udev |
| 02:54.47 | chalenged | oss is depecated tho so new cards dont work in it.....alsa for anything new oss works keep it 8) |
| 02:54.50 | rob_lt | kevinv: udev replaced devfs |
| 02:54.52 | Bac9 | kevinv: but that's for 2.6.x kernels |
| 02:55.13 | chalenged | rob_lt: its more of an overlay isnt it? |
| 02:55.28 | chalenged | rob_lt: or thats how i think of it |
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| 02:55.45 | kevinv | I was just confused about it, since udev is just a tmpfs with some scripts that make it tic. |
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| 02:55.57 | rob_lt | chalenged: I might be mistaken, but I thought it was more of a drop in replacement.... let me go google a bit |
| 02:56.00 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: sure; there's just no reason to stop other people from using ALSA when it works. just like there's no reason to stop using oss when it works. |
| 02:56.06 | Bac9 | chalenged: currently I just have dmix in ~/.asoundrc, so only my apps will do software mixing |
| 02:56.06 | kevinv | where as devfs is a kernel built-in fs. |
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| 02:56.13 | chalenged | Bac9: never played with it but you may be able to make the asoundrc a symlink to a central one.. |
| 02:56.19 | jsn | udev is not an overlay of devfs |
| 02:56.24 | jsn | totally different |
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| 02:56.53 | Bac9 | kevinv: yeah devfs is tied to the kernel, udev just interprets standard signals, so it's more flexible and less of a hack |
| 02:56.59 | rob_lt | yeah, that's what I thought..... udev is a userspace replacement (using hotplug, etc) for devfs |
| 02:57.10 | xNinja | i see that debian is easy and as i read stable...but why not freebsd ? |
| 02:57.21 | kevinv | Bac9: Thanks, just the answer I was looking for. |
| 02:57.28 | Bac9 | chalenged: and what would it be called? can you point me to some docs? I can't find anything for system-wide stuff |
| 02:57.29 | dondelelcaro | xNinja: see Debian kFreeBSD |
| 02:57.48 | mwilson | xNinja: <shrug> Why *not* fBSD? Use fBSD if that's what you want to use. |
| 02:57.54 | Bac9 | xNinja: there's a debian/bsd |
| 02:58.03 | mwilson | xNinja: No one requires you to use anything other than what you want to use. |
| 02:58.18 | chalenged | xNinja: shrug you can go freebsd if you want its your choice but most people count debian as the linux based server distro of most stability.. |
| 02:58.18 | Bac9 | xNinja: there's even debian/hurd |
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| 02:58.44 | Bac9 | kevinv: you're welcome |
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| 02:59.16 | xNinja | yeah but does freebsd easy as debian is ? |
| 02:59.38 | xNinja | because i always read/heard about freebsd is the most secure/stable unix like OS |
| 02:59.38 | dondelelcaro | xNinja: probably not; but then, this is #debian. There's a reason why we're in this channel. |
| 02:59.48 | chalenged | xNinja: apt = great package tool......comparable to some others but i beleive its still ahead of RPM4 etc.. |
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| 03:00.33 | mwilson | apt (a) isn't a "package tool", (b) doesn't compare with RPM. |
| 03:00.47 | mwilson | The correct comparison would be dpkg with rpm. |
| 03:01.01 | dondelelcaro | and even then there really is no comparison... |
| 03:01.01 | xNinja | what i see is debian/ubuntu is very easy and nice but why not freebsd i want reasons only |
| 03:01.19 | Bac9 | xNinja: personal preference |
| 03:01.20 | kevinv | xNinja: I thought OpenBSD was the most secure. |
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| 03:01.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell xNinja -about why debian |
| 03:01.55 | mwilson | Why do people seem to think Debian needs a marketing department? |
| 03:02.06 | Bac9 | mwilson: you want the job? |
| 03:02.15 | RogueDopple | stupidity thts why |
| 03:02.19 | chalenged | mwilson: shrug all connected behind the scenes but yeah |
| 03:02.30 | mwilson | Bac9: You're joking, of course. I *never* recommend to people that they use Linux. |
| 03:02.37 | mathieu_ | anyone know if it is possible to generate a cdrecord .inf file from a .wav files without the original audio cd / |
| 03:02.38 | mathieu_ | ? |
| 03:02.42 | mwilson | Bac9: What *I* use is my own business. |
| 03:02.46 | Bac9 | chalenged: so do you know of any docs? or can you sugest something? |
| 03:03.03 | Bac9 | mwilson: yes you're correct that was a humorous remark |
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| 03:03.08 | leminhteo | what is direct block? |
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| 03:03.26 | leminhteo | what is direct block, indirect block? |
| 03:03.32 | mwilson | Bac9: Someone suggested to me one time that I should be a DD. I about fell out of my chair. |
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| 03:03.54 | Bac9 | mwilson: you meen you're not? |
| 03:03.58 | dondelelcaro | Bac9: no, he's not. |
| 03:04.00 | mwilson | Bac9: Hardly. |
| 03:04.01 | madclicker | how do i tell sarge to load ahci module on boot? |
| 03:04.02 | Bac9 | mwilson: and yet you spend so much time here |
| 03:04.09 | kevinv | !tell kevinv -about why debian |
| 03:04.11 | mwilson | Bac9: Nor have I *ever* claimed to be so. |
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| 03:04.17 | dondelelcaro | kevinv: you can /msg the bot |
| 03:04.32 | metaperl | what's a good cd burner besides k3b? |
| 03:04.34 | kevinv | I know, it just looks funny. |
| 03:04.35 | Bac9 | madclicker: discover2 finds all the nessesary modules for me |
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| 03:04.48 | Bac9 | mwilson: I didn't say you claimed |
| 03:04.49 | mwilson | k3b isn't a cd burner. It's a front-end for cdrecord. |
| 03:04.49 | kevinv | I have a PVT with the dpkg bot already incase I need him. |
| 03:05.05 | mwilson | Bac9: That was also for dondelelcaro. |
| 03:05.17 | metaperl | mwilson: yes, normally it is fine, but it is locking up, so I thought i'd try another... preferably with nice gui |
| 03:05.19 | psychonate | hmm, I installed from a sarge netinstall CD, but all my sources in /etc/apt/sources.list say "stable"... Is this normal? |
| 03:05.25 | chalenged | mwilson and cdrdao and mkisofs and transcode...and a heap of other things. |
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| 03:05.46 | mwilson | chalenged: And being a KDE application, does them all poorly. |
| 03:05.48 | Bac9 | metaperl: graveman is nice, there's a gnome-cd<something or other> that's nice too, then the obvouls xcdroast and friends which I don't like as much |
| 03:06.07 | metaperl | Bac9: thanks |
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| 03:06.11 | madclicker | Bac9: i am installing sarge with 2.6.12 installer and if i modprobe ahci it detects my drives on intel 955 chipset. Installs OK but on reboot i get thr "pivot" kernel panic. |
| 03:06.12 | chalenged | mwilson heheh yep i still burn from windows atm hehe...im reqally hating linux writing atm |
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| 03:06.43 | Bac9 | metaperl: gnomebaker I believe |
| 03:06.45 | Seanfeld | hi I'm hoping someone here understands how apt-get works with python modules. when you apt-get install a python module does it find all pythons and set it up or do you have to specifiy which python you want the module added to? |
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| 03:07.14 | metaperl | Bac9: yes, that's it. I'm installing graveman right now... if that isn't fresh enuf, then I try out the baker :) |
| 03:07.30 | child | q.. : how do i stop firestarter from outputting info to terminal (this s*** is annoying)? |
| 03:07.34 | Bac9 | madclicker: you get an oops from a missing driver? |
| 03:07.36 | mwilson | chalenged: Writing a CD under Linux couldn't be simpler. What *most* people mean by their complaints about CD burning under *nix is that it's hard for them to pirate their audio CDs, or their DVDs, or whatever, at the push of a button. |
| 03:07.37 | dave | im atempting to restore the state of my system by installing a .deb with dependencies of al the programs i used to have installed but for some reason nothing is getitng installed (244 not upgraded) something tells me I'm missing a flag |
| 03:07.40 | chalenged | metaperl grave digger or grave something is another |
| 03:07.58 | dondelelcaro | Seanfeld: depends on the module; in the cases where it matters, you want pythonXX-modulename |
| 03:08.10 | dave | !beer me |
| 03:08.11 | Bac9 | metaperl: they are about on par but a tad different look, graveman got into testing first so that's the one I use |
| 03:08.18 | chalenged | mwilson: yeah which is a very legitamate problem. |
| 03:08.20 | psychonate | Anyone care to reply? |
| 03:08.24 | metaperl | I'm not sure what I did but KDE is giving me 300 million warnings every so often: http://rafb.net/paste/results/oc8hro52.html |
| 03:08.28 | mwilson | chalenged: Not to me it's not. |
| 03:08.30 | madclicker | Bac9: not really comes to think of it. It starts an AHCI scan finds my drives as SATA SCSI and then "PANIC" |
| 03:08.32 | dondelelcaro | dave: far better to use dpkg --get-selections; and dpkg --set-selections; to do that. |
| 03:08.57 | dave | dondelelcaro: sorry, lost me |
| 03:09.01 | chalenged | psychonate: yes stable = sarge testing = etch unstable = sid........ |
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| 03:09.05 | Bac9 | madclicker: so it panics trying to access scsi drives? |
| 03:09.13 | child | anyone know what to do about firestarter? |
| 03:09.16 | dave | dondelelcaro: like a chicken on a leash looses the fish in a pond |
| 03:09.19 | psychonate | ah, shoot, I forgot Sarge was moved to stable :( |
| 03:09.25 | dave | dondelelcaro: to the murky water |
| 03:09.31 | psychonate | I actually wanted to install testing |
| 03:09.36 | sadfgg | How do I change the configuration source contains the default preference settings by commands (eg: gconftool-2 --set file_views --type string "false")? |
| 03:09.40 | Bac9 | chihchun: get a fireextinguisher |
| 03:09.45 | sadfgg | for GNOME |
| 03:09.58 | chalenged | psychonate: change stable to etch or testing and aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 03:10.06 | dondelelcaro | dave: if you want to save the state of your installed packages, it's easiest to dpkg --get-selections > foofile; then later dpkg --set-selections < foofile; apt-get dselect-upgrade; |
| 03:10.11 | Bac9 | psychonate: you can always update later |
| 03:10.15 | Seanfeld | dondelelcaro: I apt-get install python2.3-imaging which I want to work with a python that I use for my Zope as far as I know that is the only python2.3.5 on my box. Is there a way to check that it is installed in that one because I get an error that looks like it's missing but could be something else? |
| 03:10.31 | dondelelcaro | Seanfeld: dpkg -L python2.3-imaging; should give you an idea. |
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| 03:10.35 | psychonate | Well, I'd prefer to update now I think. |
| 03:10.50 | Seanfeld | dondelelcaro: cool thanks I'll give that a try |
| 03:11.01 | child | haha.. but seriously.. is there any arguments I have to give it to make it shut up on startup? how do I change this? |
| 03:11.16 | dave | dondelelcaro: hmm, is there a way to do it with just a .deb with the dependencies, my old system is gone :( |
| 03:11.24 | mwilson | Wow... are http.us.debian.org mirrors *finally* in sync? |
| 03:11.35 | psychonate | chalenged, you mean I just need to change substitute "stable" for "testing" in sources.list and then update/dist-upgrade? That seems too simple :) |
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| 03:11.45 | dave | dondelelcaro: it was the fishy |
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| 03:11.53 | madclicker | Bac9: it detects all drives than this "pivot_root: No such file or directory" "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file. Kernel panic - not syncing: Atemted to kill init! |
| 03:12.00 | RogueDopple | ha ha |
| 03:12.00 | dave | !beer me |
| 03:12.13 | dave | they should have the open source beer in there |
| 03:12.23 | Bac9 | madclicker: sounds like it's not mounting correct device as / |
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| 03:12.47 | Bac9 | madclicker: I'd play around with lilo/grub settings, or maybe give the boot parameter manually |
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| 03:13.00 | mwilson | I *really* need to get into using nail. |
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| 03:13.13 | madclicker | Bac9: thx |
| 03:13.16 | knite | I need to use DHCP to pick up information like my nameservers, however, I also want to give my machine a static address. (I have a router appliance) In my /etc/networking/interfaces I have a line for eth0 to be configured by dhcp |
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| 03:13.32 | dave | !fuck thekid |
| 03:13.39 | mwilson | knite: <shrug> So give the box static reservation. |
| 03:13.44 | knite | Is it good practice to just do "ifconfig eth0 my.address.is.this" |
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| 03:14.03 | Bac9 | madclicker: sounds like you have some problem of HDD remaping from when you do boot from diskette/cd to when you boot from HDD, are you sure you're not using a bios menu to boot off a different partition/drive? |
| 03:14.27 | knite | mwilson: my router doesn't know to assign that address to this box |
| 03:14.32 | Bac9 | knite: man 5 interfaces |
| 03:14.43 | mwilson | knite: Then get a better class of router. |
| 03:15.36 | knite | Bac9: I've read the man. I can compose a static stanza for eth0, but then I can't pick up nameserver info via dhcp |
| 03:15.42 | Bac9 | knite: why do you need to map a static address but not static everything else? |
| 03:15.56 | Bac9 | madclicker: was that it? |
| 03:16.10 | knite | Bac9: so my router can port forward to this box specifically |
| 03:16.12 | mwilson | Bac9: There are reasons. We do it because it lets us maintain lists of what machines can pass the router to the internet. |
| 03:16.14 | madclicker | Bac9: it works, am so glad after three weeks fof trying |
| 03:16.42 | knite | Bac9: but when the nameserver changes, I need this box to pick up new servers |
| 03:16.46 | Bac9 | knite: then compose a dynamic one, then for the <on up> line (or what ever it is) run ifconfig, but I really don't understand why you can't have everything dynamic |
| 03:16.48 | mwilson | Bac9: You don't have to travel to the box to change anything, just change the reservation. |
| 03:17.04 | madclicker | Bac9: thanks so much for helping a brother in need :) |
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| 03:17.15 | mwilson | knite: Why would the name servers change? And why wouldn't the dependent boxen be using the router for their nameserver in the first place? |
| 03:17.33 | Bac9 | madclicker: enjoy :-) so what was it, do share |
| 03:17.41 | madclicker | Bac9: grub had a error on the initrd line. pointing to a wrong drive |
| 03:17.46 | knite | mwilson: i guess the router can forward the name lookups... |
| 03:17.59 | Bac9 | mwilson: "change the reservation"?? |
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| 03:18.10 | Seanfeld | dondelelcaro: it seems to be installed to the wrong python is there a way to point apt-get install python2.3-imaging to the right dir? |
| 03:18.15 | Bac9 | madclicker: oh, k, so somethign real simple |
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| 03:18.31 | dondelelcaro | Seanfeld: uh, surely you can change the locations that python is looking for its modules? |
| 03:18.42 | dondelelcaro | Seanfeld: try asking #python for details |
| 03:18.52 | madclicker | Bac9: well, simple if one knows where to look |
| 03:18.55 | mwilson | Bac9: Sure. You want a box to be able to pass the firewall, so you give it a static IP, and add that IP to the ACL that controls the firewall. When you no longer want it to be able to pass the firewall, remove the reservation. |
| 03:19.25 | Bac9 | madclicker: complex being the case where you had the bios change ids and you'd have to figure out the correct id and remap it in the bootloader |
| 03:19.41 | madclicker | Bac9: i coudnt get AHCI working on 955 chipset for a few weeks now, ever since i changed the mobo |
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| 03:20.24 | Bac9 | mwilson: I just do that with dinamic ips, the dhcp server seems to asign them the same ips often enough (the boxes are booted more often than it takes their ip to expire) |
| 03:20.42 | mwilson | Bac9: We go so far as to redirect port 80 on naughty machines to a static page that tells them they're naughty and who to contact if they think they shoudl be able to get out. |
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| 03:21.08 | Bac9 | madclicker: aren't there 3 usb hub standards with ahci just one of them? maybe you have a different one? discover2 usually does the trick for me |
| 03:21.09 | knite | right now I've manually done dhcp to pick up settings, then put in a static stanza in /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 03:21.39 | Bac9 | mwilson: ahh, your users aren't smart enough to use ssh tunneling? :-) |
| 03:21.42 | psychonate | OK, hopefully stable to testing goes smoothly heh |
| 03:21.50 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | hi im trying to mount my ipod with the command 'mount -v -t hfsplus /dev/sda3 /mnt/ipod' but every time i do it the /dev/sda3 isnt proper |
| 03:21.51 | knite | I just thought maybe there's an elegant/standard way of using DHCP and then overriding the IP address |
| 03:21.56 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | is there a way i can find where its located at? |
| 03:22.03 | mwilson | Bac9: Dynamic IP's in our setup are NEVER allowed to pass the router. We have one range that's static reservations, and another that's regularly pooled IP's. Since the statics aren't in the pool, they won't get assigned unless there's a reservation, even if the box asks for it. |
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| 03:22.12 | madclicker | Bac9: i couldnt run discover2, cause in netinstall there is none |
| 03:22.14 | Bac9 | mwilson: so you assign the box ips by the mac address? |
| 03:22.23 | mwilson | Bac9: Yes. |
| 03:22.28 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: look at dmesg|less; to see where the ipod is located. |
| 03:22.31 | knite | mwilson: those can be spoofed? |
| 03:22.40 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | thanks so much dondelelcaro |
| 03:22.42 | mwilson | knite: Certainly. No scheme is foolproof. |
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| 03:22.59 | Bac9 | mwilson: you do know mac adresses can be changed real easily, I used to get around just such a limitation at one point |
| 03:23.14 | knite | mwilson: when I upgrade my router, I'll look into whether I can make static reservations... |
| 03:23.21 | mwilson | knite: It's how much effort I'm willing to put into it vs how likely it is that one of the users will be able to do it. |
| 03:23.29 | debianvietnamese | how to config as a route |
| 03:23.37 | Bac9 | madclicker: there's a discover or discover2 that runs with the new installer, but you can always install/run it after you installed debian |
| 03:23.39 | debianvietnamese | how to config debian as router |
| 03:23.50 | RogueDopple | debianvietnamese: www.google.com |
| 03:23.52 | mwilson | Bac9: You have to know a MAC that has a reservation, too. |
| 03:24.07 | madclicker | Bac9: now that i know i definetly will |
| 03:24.12 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | hmm, does it mean its sda2 when it says 'is located at 2'? |
| 03:24.13 | Bac9 | mwilson: ahh, so a purely switched network... nice |
| 03:24.20 | knite | debianvietnamese: there are how-to docs, I think |
| 03:24.51 | mwilson | Bac9: Yes, there were a couple of hubs, but I've replaced them all out now. |
| 03:24.52 | Bac9 | mwilson: but yeah I suppose that'd work since you're giving privilages to certain mac adresses not taking away privilages from certain mac adresses |
| 03:24.57 | madclicker | Bac9: is debian security updates support the AMD64 port? |
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| 03:25.28 | Bac9 | madclicker: woody didn't have an amd64 port, only etch will be the first |
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| 03:25.41 | Bac9 | madclicker: and sarge didn't have amd64 either |
| 03:25.51 | mwilson | Bac9: Problem right now is that I only have management on the main switch. The outlying ones are unmanaged devices. |
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| 03:26.06 | Bac9 | madclicker: and security updates are only for stable |
| 03:26.10 | mwilson | Bac9: It's only about 50 computers, though, so no biggie at the present time. |
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| 03:26.34 | madclicker | Bac9: i tried selecting "testing" on install but it reports no binary-amd64 directory |
| 03:26.36 | Bac9 | mwilson: doesn't matter, if they are all switches than the leafs can't scan for other mac adresses |
| 03:26.52 | madclicker | Bac9: got yahh |
| 03:27.05 | Bac9 | madclicker: haven't installed amd64, try asking someone who had |
| 03:27.10 | mwilson | Bac9: They can, you just have to know how to go about it. There are any number of tools that'll do arp poisoning attacks on the switch and the like. |
| 03:27.10 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | When i type dmesg|less how can i locate what /dev/sda it is located at? I dont see anything for my ipod which is connected by USB |
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| 03:27.43 | Bac9 | mwilson: hm, that's something I've not heard about, can you briefly describe how that works? |
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| 03:28.19 | mathieu_ | CooooooKIE_Crisp, type ignoring quotes "/" then "sda" then the enter key |
| 03:28.27 | madclicker | Bac9: would you know if there is a "64 bit" channel for debian on freenode? |
| 03:28.37 | Bac9 | CooooooKIE_Crisp: you don't have devfs/udev? |
| 03:28.51 | Bac9 | madclicker: I'd guess this is it |
| 03:28.54 | mwilson | Bac9: Sure. You flood the network with bogus ARP, intelligent routing breaks down, and basically everything becomes broadcast as the tables in the switch(es) overflow. |
| 03:28.56 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | i dont even kno what that is..im sorry. im a real real newb. |
| 03:29.35 | Bac9 | mwilson: oh... so it just overflows tables and router does discovery of nodes? |
| 03:29.36 | mwilson | Bac9: The only way the switch(es) can get traffic from (a) to (b) is to broadcast it, as they can't keep track of where things are. |
| 03:29.53 | IcE-bOy | somebody can help me with this? -> http://pastebin.com/329653 i'm trying to build courier 0.51, thanks |
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| 03:30.02 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | mathieu: i dont know what you mean by that. for when i enter dmesg|less? |
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| 03:30.14 | madclicker | let me tell you, it's a nice break to get back to my OS! |
| 03:30.26 | Bac9 | mwilson: but arp replies aren't brodcast, so how would you get the leafs mac adress? |
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| 03:30.42 | mwilson | Bac9: I don't need the arp reply. |
| 03:30.43 | pi_ | Sup |
| 03:30.46 | pi_ | Hey, I have a question. |
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| 03:31.03 | pi_ | I've found a file 'new' in my home dir.. |
| 03:31.06 | Bac9 | mwilson: the arp request just asks what mac adress has a given ip, how does that help you get the mac adress? |
| 03:31.08 | pi_ | dunno where it came from. |
| 03:31.11 | pi_ | its an executable. |
| 03:31.16 | pi_ | I havn't ran it. |
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| 03:31.26 | pi_ | anyone hear of this peculiarity before? |
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| 03:31.49 | dondelelcaro | pi_: probably time to run chkrootkit |
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| 03:32.21 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | eep. |
| 03:32.34 | mwilson | Bac9: Take a single switch. Evil guy is in one port, two good machines are in two other ports. Evil guy can't hear the other two machines... the switch knows how to get traffic between them. Now poison the switch. It can't keep track of how to route between the two machines, so everything becomes broadcast, and now suddenly the traffic between the two good machines is also going to the evil guy. |
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| 03:32.57 | mwilson | Bac9: You just turned the switch into an expensive hub. |
| 03:33.10 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | so does anyone know how i can identify the /dev/sda where my ipod is located? I dont see it in dmesg|less...or at least i dont know how to identify it |
| 03:33.24 | Bac9 | mwilson: will the router not send an arp request for a mac adress, get an arp reply from the target leaf node and only send tot hat port? |
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| 03:33.38 | Bac9 | mwilson: at least that's how I understand arp works |
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| 03:33.43 | mwilson | Bac9: Yes, but the switch can only keep track of so many MAC. |
| 03:33.53 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: it'll look something like scsi device yada yada; /dev/scsi/host24/bus0/target0/lun0:... |
| 03:34.08 | Bac9 | mwilson: so will it not arp request every ip it doesn't have in the mac table? |
| 03:34.09 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: if you're not seeing that, then you don't have the appropriate firewire drivers and/or sbp mdouels loaded. |
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| 03:34.16 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | ohh cause im not looking at usb.c |
| 03:34.18 | Bac9 | mwilson: before sending data to it? |
| 03:34.21 | mwilson | Bac9: For example, the 3com baseline switches we have have a 4k entry table. All you have to do is overflow the table with garbage and keep it overflowed. |
| 03:34.27 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | it shows it coming up |
| 03:34.35 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | but i just dont see anything like /dev/blahblah |
| 03:34.36 | pi_ | chkrootkit finds nothing. |
| 03:34.52 | Bac9 | mwilson: so it's actually preprogramed behaviour, not a spec thing? |
| 03:35.01 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: if you have sbp our usb massfs compiled, you should see it. |
| 03:35.16 | Bac9 | mwilson: to use brodcast when mac tables keep overflowing for x amoutn of seconds |
| 03:35.35 | mwilson | Bac9: No, it's basic to the idea of how a switch works. If the table is deep enough, you can't overflow it. |
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| 03:35.40 | Bac9 | mwilson: otherwise I really don't understand why it'd use brodcast for sending data and not just arp requests |
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| 03:36.45 | mwilson | Bac9: Look at the documentation for something like ettercap, which is meant for sniffing on switched networks. |
| 03:36.46 | Bac9 | mwilson: ok, say your table overflows, a packet arives for ip x.x.x.x, you send arp request "who has x.x.x.x", get a reply and send on that port, where would you use brodcast there exsept for arp request? |
| 03:36.46 | pi_ | anyone? |
| 03:36.59 | ohad | hi, i am intersted in downloading the java run time environment for firefox - is there a debian pkg that reslove this problem or do i need to install it from source? |
| 03:37.09 | stew | ohad: /msg dpkg java |
| 03:37.23 | Bac9 | mwilson: k, I'll look, but that's how I understand the process, where's the flaw in my understanding? |
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| 03:37.29 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/329703 |
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| 03:37.42 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.55 | mwilson | Bac9: A switch does not arp every time it receives a packet. That's what it has the table for. |
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| 03:38.25 | mwilson | Bac9: The switch doesn't decide how to route by IP, it routes by MAC. |
| 03:38.26 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: you going to linux.conf.au/ |
| 03:38.28 | WiFiTux | ? |
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| 03:38.32 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 <-- that's it. you probably want mount -t hfsplus /dev/sda1 /mnt/foo |
| 03:38.34 | Bac9 | mwilson: correct |
| 03:38.35 | mwilson | Bac9: The IP is irrelevant. |
| 03:38.48 | Bac9 | mwilson: the switch only arps if ip not in mac table |
| 03:38.59 | Bac9 | mwilson: please continue |
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| 03:39.07 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: LWCE, yes; LCA, most likely not. |
| 03:39.11 | mwilson | Bac9: No, the switch never arps. |
| 03:39.23 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: the one in NZ |
| 03:39.23 | chalenged | pi_: well it sounds like a new file was created by something in your home....try cat it and see if it is obvious... |
| 03:39.30 | mwilson | Well, in our simplistic discussion, the switch never arps. |
| 03:39.35 | Bac9 | mwilson: does only a router arp then? |
| 03:39.40 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | dondelelcaro: says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on dev/sda1 |
| 03:39.47 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: try sda2 then |
| 03:39.49 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | some stuff like that |
| 03:39.51 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | i did |
| 03:39.52 | Bac9 | mwilson: so you're saying a switch only listens and bulds its mac table that way? |
| 03:39.54 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | i tried up to 8 :( |
| 03:40.03 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: well, it only has two partitions; and those are them. |
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| 03:40.07 | mwilson | arp flooding is just a convenient way to cause a switch to fill its tables with bogus MAC. |
| 03:40.10 | Bac9 | mwilson: if so then I totally understand how your scenario could happen, please confirm |
| 03:40.43 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: fdisk -l /dev/sda; should confirm it. |
| 03:40.48 | mwilson | This bogus MAC crowds out real MAC... so that when a packet arrives on an interface, the switch doesn't know where to send it. |
| 03:41.04 | lakbu | help. im trying to setup a pppd server using pap authentication... but the windows machine that's dialing up my server always get an invalid username/password |
| 03:41.09 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | yeah it confirms it. 20gb |
| 03:41.23 | lakbu | can someone send me a sample options file? |
| 03:41.33 | Bac9 | mwilson: so you're saying a switch only listens and bulds its mac table that way? |
| 03:41.34 | mwilson | But it has to send it SOMEWHERE... so it broadcasts it on all interfaces, trusting that it will be able to resolve where that MAC actually *is* later on. |
| 03:41.35 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | dondelelcaro: any idea why it wouldnt be working if its there and confirmed? |
| 03:41.57 | mwilson | Bac9: In our simplistic example here, yes, that's the way it works. |
| 03:42.06 | Bac9 | mwilson: and in the real world? |
| 03:42.30 | Bac9 | mwilson: in the real world does the switch only listen and bulds its mac table that way? |
| 03:42.34 | mwilson | Bac9: That's the way it works in the real world, too, but there are more things layered on the top. |
| 03:42.46 | Bac9 | mwilson: oh ok, then I understand |
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| 03:43.11 | mwilson | You're going to get into layer 3 switching and things *I* certainly don't claim to understand. :) |
| 03:43.12 | Bac9 | mwilson: then what devices shend arp who-has? only routers? or who? |
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| 03:43.25 | Bac9 | mwilson: s/shend/send |
| 03:43.26 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: most likely reason is that it's not really hfsplus. |
| 03:43.34 | mwilson | Bac9: Nodes do. |
| 03:43.41 | Bac9 | mwilson: only nodes? |
| 03:43.47 | mwilson | Bac9: Watch what a Windows machine does sometime. |
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| 03:44.02 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: if it is, you should be able to mount it using the hfs driver too, and just see the standard "What happened to my files" stuff. |
| 03:44.04 | Bac9 | mwilson: I've watched what a linux network does |
| 03:44.24 | Bac9 | mwilson: I just didn't know arp who-has was only limited to leaf nodes |
| 03:44.38 | mwilson | Aug 04 20:43:19.676408 arp who-has plserver.plcs.net tell plcs-0-34.plcs.net |
| 03:44.38 | mwilson | Aug 04 20:43:19.676429 arp reply plserver.plcs.net is-at 0:60:97:df:af:6b |
| 03:44.40 | Bac9 | mwilson: thanx for the info |
| 03:44.52 | mwilson | Aug 04 20:43:20.487385 arp who-has plserver.plcs.net tell grade5.plcs.net |
| 03:44.52 | mwilson | Aug 04 20:43:20.487466 arp reply plserver.plcs.net is-at 0:60:97:df:af:6b |
| 03:44.52 | psychonate | In switching from stable to testing, I've updated my sources.list, done an 'apt-get update', and done an 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. Is this all that needs to be done? |
| 03:45.06 | Bac9 | mwilson: yeah those type of arp requests/replies |
| 03:45.30 | mwilson | plserver is our oBSD router/firewall, plcs-0-34 is a wireless access point, grade5 is a Windows XP Home machine. |
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| 03:45.46 | Bac9 | psychonate: yep |
| 03:45.51 | psychonate | thanks |
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| 03:46.27 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | dondelelcaro: may i pm you? |
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| 03:46.41 | mwilson | Aug 04 20:44:03.772102 arp who-has grade6.plcs.net tell duke.plcs.net |
| 03:46.56 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: best to keep it in channel, since I may wander away at any time. |
| 03:46.59 | mwilson | duke is our NT4 domain controller, grade6 is another classroom machine. |
| 03:47.04 | Bac9 | mwilson: so wireless acesspoints also send arp who-has? |
| 03:47.21 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | dondelelcaro: well im using -- http://www.nblug.org/pipermail/talk/2005-January/008529.html which is why i am using hfsplus |
| 03:47.27 | mwilson | Bac9: Any device can. |
| 03:47.29 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | i dont know how i would do it otherwise |
| 03:48.04 | Bac9 | mwilson: any device can but you're saying that switches and wired routers do not? Hope I understood you correctly |
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| 03:48.31 | mwilson | Bac9: They *can*. Anything *can*. Make a practice of it? Probably not. |
| 03:48.47 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: hrm... well, could be two things 1) You don't have macintosh partition table support in the kernel 2) it's not really hfsplus and is fat32 instead. |
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| 03:48.53 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: try just mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/foo; |
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| 03:49.13 | mwilson | Bac9: All of this is broadcast, too... I'm tcpdump-ing the internal interface on the router. |
| 03:49.13 | psychonate | What is the easiest way to install the nvidia drivers in Debian? Are there debs available, or should I just do the generic install via the official installer? |
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| 03:49.17 | Bac9 | mwilson: oh ok, guess that's why those attacks work then, because switches/routers don't make a practice of activly building their mac tables |
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| 03:49.25 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | psychonate: use the website |
| 03:49.25 | pi_ | no one knows what this 'new' file is? |
| 03:49.32 | dondelelcaro | pi_: it could be anything |
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| 03:49.39 | psychonate | Ok, so the official installer then :) |
| 03:49.44 | Bac9 | mwilson: the arp reply is unicast last I checked |
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| 03:49.57 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | yes sir. best way to do it |
| 03:50.06 | stew | pi_: run "file new" and see what type of file it is |
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| 03:50.25 | pi_ | there is no prog 'file' |
| 03:50.30 | mwilson | Yes, that's why you don't see the replies. |
| 03:50.33 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | dondelelcaro: wow thanks man i love you |
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| 03:50.48 | stew | pi_: apt-get install file |
| 03:50.49 | Bac9 | mwilson: ok, glad I got that all straight in my head, thanx |
| 03:50.59 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: ok, you must have the windows version of the ipod |
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| 03:51.06 | mwilson | But a switch wouldn't have to arp in the sense you're thinking of. It already knows the IP, and it knows the MAC the packet came from representing the IP. Why would it have to arp for it? |
| 03:51.15 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | dondelelcaro: yeah, fat32 filesystem on there |
| 03:51.16 | pi_ | damnit, I already deleted it. |
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| 03:51.25 | pi_ | wish there was an undelete. |
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| 03:51.29 | dondelelcaro | CooooooKIE_Crisp: yeah, in general, mount is pretty good at guessing the filesystem type. |
| 03:51.36 | Bac9 | mwilson: for a new packet it'd have to arp for a destination |
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| 03:51.57 | Bac9 | mwilson: if it seen packets from a given ip then yes it can build the mac table passivly |
| 03:52.07 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | dondelelcaro: sorry to bug you about it from the start. but i learned a good lesson in mounting today, thank you very very very much |
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| 03:52.10 | CooooooKIE_Crisp | :) |
| 03:52.24 | silverton | need the w32 codecs, forgot the repository |
| 03:52.38 | mwilson | Bac9: Or it can just broadcast the packet. As soon as it gets a packet FROM that MAC, it will know how to route to it. |
| 03:52.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell silverton -about marillat |
| 03:52.58 | silverton | thanks much |
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| 03:53.05 | Bac9 | mwilson: which is a less resource intensive but more insecure method |
| 03:53.47 | mwilson | Bac9: Further, what if the packet isn't IP? How're you going to arp for it that way? |
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| 03:54.06 | mwilson | Bac9: Say you're a switched Novell network? |
| 03:54.34 | Bac9 | mwilson: arp is mac level is it not, it's not an ip level |
| 03:55.01 | Bac9 | mwilson: arp should care what the mac table matches against, be it an ip or something else |
| 03:55.33 | mwilson | arp turns ip into MAC, RARP turns MAC into IP. |
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| 03:55.59 | Bac9 | mwilson: so you're saying arp doesn't work on non ip networks |
| 03:56.28 | mwilson | Correct. |
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| 03:56.52 | Bac9 | mwilson: oh ok, then you're totally right and I am totally sleepy as I sence I am speeking nonsence |
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| 03:57.32 | nico22 | hi... anybody uses apollon + giftd??? |
| 03:57.50 | metaperl | i like graveman much more than k3b |
| 03:57.54 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.00 | silverton | wtf? that isn't even my IP |
| 03:58.07 | mwilson | Bac9: A machine has to have a way to get the MAC from the IP, othewise everything it did would be broadcast. If machine (A) only knew the IP, it could not direct its traffic to machine (B). |
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| 03:59.06 | mwilson | Bac9: Now, some smart device externally could say "hey, I know that IP, it's this MAC", and route appropriately, but then it's just the intermediate device doing the arp, rather than the source. |
| 03:59.10 | yoo | metaperl, but graveman don't know .iso .nrg :( |
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| 03:59.38 | metaperl | yoo: which one does? I dont need them at the moment |
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| 03:59.55 | mwilson | Bac9: Worse, you'd HAVE to run the NIC in promiscuous mode, because the only way the machine would know if traffic were MEANT for it would be by the IP. |
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| 04:00.35 | Bac9 | mwilson: as I said I agree |
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| 04:01.46 | epsilon | how can I found out which mainboard is installed? I need to know the model name of a board installed on a remote box |
| 04:01.48 | yoo | metaperl, but graveman have a pretty interfaceand i like gtk |
| 04:01.53 | yoo | :) |
| 04:02.01 | psychonate | Is there a better way to stop GDM than 'kill gdm'? |
| 04:02.03 | mwilson | Bac9: I have learned more than I ever wanted to know about this stuff since I started... and I know also how little i truly know about it. :) |
| 04:02.05 | nico22 | hi... anybody uses apollon + giftd??? |
| 04:02.08 | psychonate | s/kill/killall |
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| 04:02.27 | psychonate | apparently the gdm-stop script is not present |
| 04:02.48 | dondelelcaro | psychonate: just /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 04:03.18 | pi_ | yea. |
| 04:03.21 | pi_ | bogus file. |
| 04:03.35 | psychonate | oh, shoot, forgot about that |
| 04:03.36 | psychonate | ty |
| 04:03.57 | pi_ | anyway, why do roots 'ls -l' command output the date on the file in this format: Jul 28 |
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| 04:04.21 | ohad | i've download the j2re1.4 - whenever i try to load an j.applet on my ff broswer it gets stuck. any ideas? |
| 04:04.22 | pi_ | whereas a normal users ls -l date format is 2005-04-22 ? |
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| 04:04.33 | dondelelcaro | pi_: because you've set a locale to something different. |
| 04:04.51 | pi_ | locale? |
| 04:04.52 | dondelelcaro | pi_: try: LANG=C ls -l; |
| 04:05.02 | hacim | epsilon: sometimes you can get good infromation from dmidecode |
| 04:05.22 | pi_ | yep |
| 04:05.35 | pi_ | dondelelcaro: where are those locales set? |
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| 04:05.43 | licued | holy shit |
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| 04:05.50 | licued | I just switched from gnome to kde |
| 04:05.55 | licued | way ....way better |
| 04:06.00 | licued | never going back lol |
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| 04:06.13 | dondelelcaro | licued: that's great; there's no need to announce that here. |
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| 04:06.33 | dondelelcaro | pi_: in your .bashrc or profile or whatever your shell happens to be using. |
| 04:06.36 | licued | oops |
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| 04:06.42 | licued | wrong channel lol |
| 04:07.25 | clueless | apt nvidia installer |
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| 04:13.53 | compumike | Debian AMD64, Kernel 2.6.12.3, has a Machine Check Exception followed by a Kernel panic due to "uncorrected machine check" |
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| 04:18.44 | Vyrus001 | anybody know how to change the console resolution size on a laptop? i changed the vga= line in grub and it did change the console reaolution but the words just got smaller in the tiny 640x480 box in my 15 inch monitor? |
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| 04:19.33 | larsie | Hi. I'm using putty for connecting the sshd downstairs, but I need another program which allows me to have multisessions to my box downstairs. |
| 04:19.43 | larsie | With putty I need to open putty multipletimes. :-| |
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| 04:21.42 | chealer | what's a multisession? |
| 04:22.00 | Xenguy | larsie: maybe 'screen' ? |
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| 04:22.28 | cyzie | im using sarge, if i want to upgrade to etch, what should i need to do ? |
| 04:22.44 | Broolfog | Anybody know how to get my mouse buttons working right? I can get 7 to work but not the 8th |
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| 04:23.08 | psychonate | that's a hell of a mouse |
| 04:23.13 | psychonate | I've got 3 buttons lol |
| 04:23.16 | chealer | cyzie: why do you want to "upgrade" to etch? |
| 04:23.18 | Broolfog | 6 buttons plus the wheel |
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| 04:23.34 | psychonate | ah, yes, forgot about how the wheel is done |
| 04:24.00 | Broolfog | It's one of them nice Logitech wireless mice |
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| 04:24.50 | Broolfog | I got it when I was using XP, but I don't use it anymore, so no more drivers for it |
| 04:25.07 | roler | can anyone help me setup .shtml in apache 1.3? I know it stinks, but a server I am running has a bunch of .shtml files (with virtual includes) and I don't want to rewrite them! |
| 04:25.12 | larsie | chealer; I would like to have 'larsie user'session and a 'root' session on the box (sshd). |
| 04:25.18 | larsie | And this by not opening putty twice. |
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| 04:25.52 | Xenguy | larsie: maybe 'screen' ? |
| 04:25.56 | Xenguy | :-) |
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| 04:26.42 | larsie | 'screen' got many search results on google. |
| 04:26.59 | larsie | maybe you could give me a link to point out to the software you're refering too. |
| 04:27.01 | Xenguy | larsie: apt-cache show screen |
| 04:27.07 | larsie | k. |
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| 04:27.45 | larsie | I need this appz on my win2k thou |
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| 04:28.50 | Xenguy | larsie: cygwin then |
| 04:28.58 | larsie | k. |
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| 04:29.11 | larsie | thx. |
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| 04:30.24 | douglas | Time for another debian installation adventure! Got the iso and it's time to hit ENTER to boot: |
| 04:30.32 | douglas | see y'all in 15 hours |
| 04:30.47 | turing | hey all, anyone running postfix with SASL? |
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| 04:30.59 | Xenguy | douglas: that's a nice feeling (make sure you have beer on hand :-) |
| 04:31.15 | douglas | ehh.. whiskey'll have to do |
| 04:31.21 | douglas | whiskey and newports |
| 04:31.21 | Xenguy | aye |
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| 04:34.12 | psychonate | Am I going to have to get libdvdcss elsewhere to play encrypted DVDs? That seems to be the case usually. |
| 04:34.17 | dondelelcaro | psychonate: yes. |
| 04:34.25 | psychonate | marillat do for that? |
| 04:34.40 | dondelelcaro | psychonate: amoungst others... there's a libdvdread package to assist you. |
| 04:34.49 | welson_ | psychonate, apt-get.org |
| 04:35.18 | psychonate | I see the libdvdread package, but I'm sure that alone won't provide support for encrypted discs |
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| 04:36.47 | dondelelcaro | psychonate: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
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| 04:37.34 | psychonate | dondelelcaro, I was just going to add the marillat repos, install libdvdcss and dvdread. That typically works I believe |
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| 04:37.57 | dondelelcaro | psychonate: sure; but the default libdvdread package has the stuff you need too. |
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| 04:38.56 | psychonate | true, but I might prefer the deb, since it now seems like just a matter of preference |
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| 04:39.21 | dondelelcaro | psychonate: uh, it installs the .deb too. |
| 04:39.45 | psychonate | the deb for dvdcss? |
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| 04:39.51 | douglas | installing latest, on the net configuration got "The network autoconf was successful. However no default route was set..." what's going on? |
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| 04:42.54 | mwilson | No default route was set. |
| 04:42.57 | douglas | it says dhcp worked, then that |
| 04:43.14 | douglas | and i cant download nuttin' |
| 04:43.25 | mwilson | Yes, because no default route was set. |
| 04:43.27 | douglas | where can i set a default route? |
| 04:43.42 | liran__ | douglas: using the route command. |
| 04:44.01 | liran__ | douglas: route add default gw example.ip.goes.here |
| 04:44.02 | mwilson | Personally, I'd fix your DHCP server. |
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| 04:44.39 | douglas | liran__: in the beta 3 business iso install? |
| 04:44.47 | douglas | mwilson: so it could be a router thing |
| 04:44.55 | douglas | well, both |
| 04:45.04 | liran__ | i dont know what you're talking about. |
| 04:45.16 | mwilson | Who said anything about a router? |
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| 04:45.29 | mwilson | I certainly didn't. |
| 04:45.30 | douglas | .. i meant dhcp server, sorry. |
| 04:46.02 | douglas | I know you didn't. I'm a little wired, mwilson |
| 04:46.34 | douglas | usually get 4 minutes into installs without random stuff like this. Ok what could possibly be wrong with my dhcp server? |
| 04:46.50 | mwilson | <shrug> It didn't provide a gateway IP. |
| 04:46.55 | mwilson | I would imagine, anyway. |
| 04:47.12 | douglas | so maybe i tell this thing not to use dhcp |
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| 04:49.17 | aqua | whats the "correct" way to upgrade a stable -> sid system |
| 04:51.16 | liran__ | im thinking dist->upgrade but check again with the docs |
| 04:51.25 | debianvietnamese | what is diffirent among swap file and swap partion |
| 04:51.54 | mwilson | aqua: None. Stable to unstable isn't an upgrade. |
| 04:52.21 | liran__ | kernel, packages, no? |
| 04:52.38 | aqua | mwilson; heh ok |
| 04:54.11 | debianvietnamese | can anybody help me |
| 04:54.48 | SDFH_Linux | anyone have gnome 2.11.9 on there box? |
| 04:56.16 | aqua | here i go |
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| 04:58.25 | v3 | hello all |
| 04:58.39 | v3 | how do i enable framebuffer console in lilo ? |
| 04:58.57 | v3 | i have put up vga="793" |
| 04:59.04 | v3 | it dosn't seem to work ... |
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| 05:05.06 | rumpl | anyone knows how to use qemu here?? i would like to know if someone knows how to load a neq kernel, the -kernel option |
| 05:06.42 | douglas | all right no more beta installers |
| 05:08.04 | aqua | the new installer is nice |
| 05:08.16 | v3 | how do i enable vesa fb console in lilo. i usually drop in vga="793" in other distros .. but this does not seem to help in debian |
| 05:08.33 | v3 | did something change in the new lilo ? |
| 05:10.02 | SDFH_Linux | anyone have gnome 2.11.9 on there box? |
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| 05:17.45 | cat | hey anyone know where i can download the gift fasttrack plugin? |
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| 05:18.52 | SDFH_Linux | http://gift-fasttrack.berlios.de/ |
| 05:18.58 | SDFH_Linux | try that |
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| 05:28.51 | devnull__ | anyone here |
| 05:28.53 | devnull__ | ? |
| 05:29.03 | billions | yeah |
| 05:29.04 | billions | whats up |
| 05:29.12 | jm_ | damn need to check bugs for console-tools |
| 05:29.26 | devnull__ | on a production server I got a zombie process that I can tell from /proc was killed by a signal, but I would like to know what signal |
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| 05:29.42 | devnull__ | the parent process (which hasn't cleaned it up obviously) is stuck.. but that's another issue |
| 05:29.59 | devnull__ | I'd like to know if the zombie segfaulted or whatever |
| 05:30.02 | billions | heh |
| 05:30.08 | billions | way over my head |
| 05:30.12 | billions | sorry |
| 05:30.14 | devnull__ | oh :) sry |
| 05:30.24 | billions | good luck though :) |
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| 05:30.30 | devnull__ | yeah really :) |
| 05:30.40 | billions | i know how these things can be |
| 05:30.42 | devnull__ | think anyone else here would know? |
| 05:30.45 | billions | make a guy not sleep at night :P |
| 05:30.49 | billions | posibly |
| 05:30.53 | billions | people here are smart |
| 05:31.02 | devnull__ | fact is, I got tons of zombies.. presumably all dying for the same reason.. I'd like to fix it |
| 05:31.07 | mwilson | If the zombie had segfaulted, it'd be gone. |
| 05:31.21 | jm_ | do you know its exit code? |
| 05:31.23 | devnull__ | not until the parent process does a wait() on it to cleanup and get it's exit status |
| 05:31.24 | mwilson | If you want to "fix" them, fix their parent. |
| 05:31.35 | devnull__ | I need to fix both of course |
| 05:31.41 | devnull__ | one problem at a time tho |
| 05:31.43 | mwilson | No, there is no "both". |
| 05:31.44 | devnull__ | um |
| 05:31.50 | devnull__ | the parent seems stuck |
| 05:31.52 | devnull__ | but it shouldn't be |
| 05:32.26 | devnull__ | the parent is talking on a socketpair() with the child (that died) so it should have gotten EOF from the socket.. but it's not.. so I don't know what has the parent sutck |
| 05:32.30 | devnull__ | (I wrote the code) |
| 05:33.48 | jm_ | the parent should also have SIGCHLD handler |
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| 05:34.47 | devnull__ | jm_ will check that out |
| 05:35.21 | jm_ | devnull__: either that or start the processes in such a way that this is not needed |
| 05:36.03 | devnull__ | however, it's shouldn't be necessary.. the child dying in any way should cause it's end of the socket socket to be closed.. the parent should get EOF and things should finish as usual |
| 05:36.18 | mwilson | Did you call wait()? |
| 05:36.20 | devnull__ | that's the way things clean up any.. it's just that the child exited for some reason other than normal |
| 05:36.25 | devnull__ | which is what I'm trying to figure out |
| 05:36.37 | devnull__ | it calls wait() after it gets EOF from the socket |
| 05:36.47 | mwilson | Or you think it does. |
| 05:36.58 | devnull__ | I know it does when the while loop does |
| 05:37.06 | devnull__ | .. does finish that is |
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| 05:37.29 | devnull__ | and the while loop ends when it reads EOF from the socket |
| 05:37.30 | v3 | what's the command to generate xfree86 config file ? |
| 05:37.34 | mwilson | And you've looked into the application and know that that loop is ended? |
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| 05:37.56 | jm_ | that's wrong thing to do |
| 05:38.02 | devnull__ | maybe I should write a little test app to see if EOF would not in fact happen for the parent if the child it's communicating with dies via sevg or something |
| 05:38.05 | jm_ | !drxx v3 |
| 05:38.06 | dpkg | v3: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:38.41 | devnull__ | mwilson, no, I'm fairly certain it hasn't ended.. but I don't know why.. as far as I know it should be ending |
| 05:38.51 | devnull__ | jm_ what is the right thing? |
| 05:38.59 | jm_ | devnull__: SIGCHLD handler |
| 05:39.00 | devnull__ | and what's wrong with the way it is being done? |
| 05:39.07 | devnull__ | seems optional to me |
| 05:39.25 | jm_ | devnull__: nothing guarantees that child has exited already when you got EOF, it might have not exited yet |
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| 05:39.52 | devnull__ | that is true.. that's why I call wait() after getting an EOF |
| 05:40.02 | jm_ | and that's wrong ;) |
| 05:40.10 | devnull__ | the question is why I'm NOT getting an EOF from a socketpair() that only speaks to the child process (that has died) |
| 05:40.52 | devnull__ | what wrong again? |
| 05:41.02 | devnull__ | too many pronouns :) |
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| 05:41.10 | devnull__ | be specific plez |
| 05:41.39 | devnull__ | "nothing guarantees that child has exited already when you got EOF, it might have not exited yet" |
| 05:41.44 | devnull__ | crap |
| 05:41.53 | devnull__ | "nothing guarantees that child has exited already when you got EOF, it might have not exited yet".. I'm not relying on that supposed guarentee |
| 05:42.04 | devnull__ | it's the other way round |
| 05:42.26 | devnull__ | I know that I'm finished talking to the child if I get EOF, so then I call wait() waiting for the child to finish up |
| 05:42.44 | devnull__ | the problem is that I'm not getting EOF and I KNOW the child has finished |
| 05:43.07 | devnull__ | I believe I should be getting EOF since the other end of hte socket should have been closed because that process has ended |
| 05:43.15 | jm_ | right, so you call wait in such a way that waits until child dies? that's OK then, but you won't be able to do any other processing this way |
| 05:43.17 | devnull__ | unless it hasn't closed simply because the kernel hasn't cleanup up the zombie yet |
| 05:43.38 | devnull__ | I don't want to do processing after wait() has returned |
| 05:43.48 | devnull__ | I'm only calling wait() in the app's clean up section |
| 05:43.53 | devnull__ | meaning the parent is done too |
| 05:44.04 | devnull__ | but that's not the issue |
| 05:44.21 | jm_ | right |
| 05:44.26 | devnull__ | the issue is that the parent is not getting EOF on the socket it created with the child |
| 05:44.31 | devnull__ | and the child died |
| 05:44.36 | devnull__ | so I think I should be getting EOF |
| 05:45.02 | jm_ | do you use select to get notified of events on the socket? |
| 05:45.03 | cat | hey anyone know where i can download the gift fasttrack plugin?\ |
| 05:45.08 | devnull__ | yep |
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| 05:45.25 | devnull__ | well.. I don't know if I use the error array |
| 05:45.31 | v3 | jm_: tnx |
| 05:45.32 | devnull__ | but I do use the read and write ones |
| 05:45.34 | v3 | !xmd5 |
| 05:45.34 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 05:45.40 | asuffield | devnull__: you've still got the child's socket open in the parent |
| 05:45.45 | devnull__ | as AFAICT read should be triggered |
| 05:45.57 | devnull__ | no I close hte child's end in the parent after forking |
| 05:46.18 | devnull__ | already thought of that :) |
| 05:46.32 | v3 | and where is xinit ? or startx ? |
| 05:46.33 | asuffield | bet you don't |
| 05:46.39 | cat | !fasttrack |
| 05:46.39 | dpkg | The FastTrack plugin isn't available in debian. Sid debs are available at http://hal.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de/debian/gift/ |
| 05:47.17 | devnull__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.34 | devnull__ | stderr is a file and fd3 shows a socket handle |
| 05:47.49 | asuffield | something has it open |
| 05:48.01 | devnull__ | one would thing |
| 05:48.03 | devnull__ | think* |
| 05:48.37 | devnull__ | fact is.. I create a socket pair.. fork.. close the appropriate ends (like you would with a pipe() ) then exec in the child |
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| 05:49.16 | devnull__ | .. then talk to the child over the socket expecting EOF at some point in the lifetime of the parent |
| 05:49.29 | devnull__ | meanwhile.. the child dies and I'm not getting EOF in the parent |
| 05:49.32 | Sazpaimon_ | mv: cannot stat `*': No such file or directory |
| 05:49.35 | Sazpaimon_ | wtf |
| 05:49.42 | Sazpaimon_ | since when cant I use wildcards in mv? |
| 05:49.59 | devnull__ | Saz: either you have no files in the dir or.. |
| 05:50.04 | asuffield | Sazpaimon_: you've never been able to. wildcards are a shell thing |
| 05:50.23 | devnull__ | wildcard expansion is disabled in your shell process |
| 05:50.34 | Sazpaimon_ | I've been able to move * before |
| 05:50.51 | jm_ | not if it's in single quotes and there's no file named * |
| 05:51.10 | devnull__ | you can reenable it with set flag |
| 05:51.26 | devnull__ | that's true too |
| 05:52.11 | devnull__ | set -f and set +f |
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| 05:54.04 | devnull__ | well back to the zombie process issue (the child process).. any way from /proc or something to tell what signal killed it.. I've already determined from /proc that it was killed because of a sinal |
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| 05:55.10 | jm_ | how'd you determine that? |
| 05:56.49 | devnull__ | the 9th field in / proc/../stat is the sheduler flags.. if it contains 0x400 then it was killed by a signal (/usr/include/linux/shed.h PF_PF_SIGNALED #define) |
| 05:57.04 | devnull__ | sched.h* I mean |
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| 05:57.27 | jm_ | check if there's an exit status somewhere |
| 05:57.39 | Vubuntu | hey anybody use openbox in here? |
| 05:58.06 | devnull__ | yeah haven't found that /proc can show that.. really seems strange that it can't tho |
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| 05:59.27 | bob_ | I have a cirrus logic cl-gd 5430 graphics card in a server I'm working on, using the device driver "cirrus" in xfree86 though when I spawn gdm the screen locks up and the server dies (no input accepted) |
| 05:59.43 | bob_ | if any one can suggest anything, using debian sarge 3.1r0a |
| 06:00.09 | jm_ | bob_: check XFree86 docs for the driver and its options and try changing them (i.e. things like no accel, bit depth and so on) |
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| 06:00.15 | bob_ | (side note, it is a compaq proliant 1600 system) |
| 06:00.16 | adsadsad | hi all |
| 06:00.31 | bob_ | jm_, I have done this, it is setup as per documentation (tried with vesa first as well) |
| 06:00.47 | bob_ | jm_, kind of really stuck :P |
| 06:00.50 | jm_ | bob_: so change driver options |
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| 06:01.13 | bob_ | define driver options? |
| 06:01.31 | v3 | how do i get the busid value of the video device to configuring xfree86 ? |
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| 06:01.47 | adsadsad | lspci? |
| 06:01.47 | v3 | i have the output of lspci |
| 06:01.51 | bob_ | lspci and format it as xx:xx:xx |
| 06:01.55 | jm_ | they're described in man cirrus and man XF86Config-4 |
| 06:01.58 | v3 | how do i put it into a format xorg expects ? |
| 06:02.04 | bob_ | thank you jm :) |
| 06:02.09 | jm_ | as it seems cirrus man page has no useful info ;) |
| 06:02.31 | jm_ | bob_: but there's plenty of them in the other man page (accel, Xaa*) |
| 06:02.33 | bob_ | v3, the output is xx:yy.z irc and you want it as xx:yy:zz |
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| 06:02.38 | v3 | 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NVCrush11 [GeForce2 MX Integrated Graphics] (rev b1) |
| 06:02.43 | bob_ | first z is a 0 :P |
| 06:02.48 | v3 | so i just drop in 0000:02:00.0 ? |
| 06:03.00 | bob_ | v3, try that, then try 00:02:00 |
| 06:03.24 | jm_ | v3: if you read the screen it told you you don't need to enter anything in there unless it's a specific configuration, then there's lspci -X |
| 06:03.28 | adsadsad | i'm ot but i really need a WINDOWS utility to read write ext2 partitions in a raw disk image file!? |
| 06:03.50 | adsadsad | someone know? i have one but is only read |
| 06:03.54 | bob_ | adsadsad, explorer2fs? I think |
| 06:04.09 | bob_ | give me a moment and I'll find a good one (have to ssh into my home box) |
| 06:04.11 | adsadsad | bob_: yes, but crash |
| 06:04.23 | jm_ | explore2s doesn't support writing |
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| 06:04.46 | Sazpaimon_ | augh |
| 06:04.51 | adsadsad | i'm in win2003 and the explore2fs tell is supported |
| 06:04.53 | v3 | jm_: dpkg-configure xserver-xfree86 ? i am using that.... if its something else please do specify what it is once more ... |
| 06:04.56 | Sazpaimon_ | Im trying to import an sql dump |
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| 06:05.00 | Sazpaimon_ | ERROR 1064 at line 21: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1' at line 8 |
| 06:05.02 | Sazpaimon_ | wtf |
| 06:05.03 | bob_ | explore2fs is what I use and it does support writing |
| 06:05.03 | adsadsad | bob_: thx |
| 06:05.13 | txsky | thx |
| 06:05.16 | bob_ | (just sshed home to check) |
| 06:05.18 | jm_ | v3: yes, that's the one, and it tells you about busid thing on the screen before it asks you about it ... |
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| 06:05.34 | adsadsad | bob_: yes support write |
| 06:05.35 | jm_ | it does? let me see |
| 06:05.45 | bob_ | adsadsad, also look at paragon ext2 drivers for windwos |
| 06:05.49 | v3 | jm_: it did not in my case ... maybe i have too many things in there |
| 06:05.53 | adsadsad | but when i open the image crash with: "cannot read 0x08" |
| 06:05.58 | bob_ | I use that when I need the drives mounted under windows |
| 06:06.09 | bob_ | adsadsad, okay, not sure then sorry :( |
| 06:06.12 | bob_ | gtg back to work :P |
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| 06:06.16 | jm_ | Because of the bugs, write support has been permanently removed. |
| 06:06.22 | adsadsad | bob_: i want to read and write from the image file not a real partition |
| 06:06.23 | jm_ | there, that's what the home page says about it |
| 06:06.36 | adsadsad | an image from virtualpc hd ( asimple raw image) |
| 06:06.39 | jm_ | v3: ok just press enter |
| 06:07.02 | jm_ | adsadsad: of course that won't work |
| 06:07.18 | jm_ | you need to specify an offset into it |
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| 06:07.22 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 06:07.36 | adsadsad | jm_: u mean that the virtualpc image is not suitable? |
| 06:07.38 | bob_ | hello dodgyville |
| 06:07.51 | jm_ | adsadsad: yes |
| 06:07.58 | dodgyville | I've just gotten an old laserjet 1100, but when I print a ps file using lpr, the printer just starts churning out pages with a few random characters on it. |
| 06:08.15 | Agrajag- | anyone know if it's possible to have different keyboards input to different screens in X? as in one keyboard inputs to :0.0 and another :0.1 |
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| 06:08.47 | adsadsad | jm_: bochs disk images? |
| 06:09.02 | dodgyville | bob_: Hi |
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| 06:09.15 | jm_ | adsadsad: it doesn't matter what created them, it won't work unless you specify an offset into the image, which I think you can't do with explore2fs |
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| 06:10.38 | adsadsad | jm_: with http://www.softwarium.com/divwin.html i can open and view read from virtual pc images but don't support write acess |
| 06:10.50 | adsadsad | and i don't specify any offset |
| 06:11.08 | roler | I can't get .shtml server side files to load with debian/apache 1.3... I've loaded includes_module and done the AddType and AddHandler... But it wont process .shtml files! Can anyone help? |
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| 06:11.29 | jm_ | adsadsad: because it recognizes it and does this behind your back |
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| 06:12.05 | mwilson | When did a Laserjet 1100 start speaking postscript? |
| 06:12.32 | adsadsad | jm_: so this utility know about the virtual pc images and the relative offset? |
| 06:12.36 | adsadsad | argh |
| 06:13.10 | jm_ | adsadsad: yes, it even says so on its home page |
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| 06:13.39 | jm_ | hmm what's the trick to add notes to a bug in BTS, gotta grep my logs, I know people mentioned it before |
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| 06:14.10 | SimonRaven | file on it, and use x in reportbug |
| 06:14.11 | mwilson | jm_: Write to the bug, or use reportbug. |
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| 06:14.41 | jm_ | ahh reportbug can do it? thanks |
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| 06:15.25 | SimonRaven | np |
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| 06:15.40 | Gibson | can someone tell me what the best modem to use is? |
| 06:15.51 | Gibson | dial-up |
| 06:16.00 | SimonRaven | one that works, and isn't a winmodem |
| 06:16.05 | Gibson | ya |
| 06:16.08 | Gibson | mine is a winmodem |
| 06:16.13 | bob_ | jm_, how do I stop debian starting gdm when I boot? (it boots into gdm and locks up the computer so I can't get to init.d or the scripts to stop it |
| 06:16.20 | jm_ | bob_: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 06:16.27 | SimonRaven | might as well use it for jewellery |
| 06:16.42 | Gibson | heh |
| 06:16.42 | jm_ | bob_: that + single user mode |
| 06:17.01 | bob_ | thanks :) |
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| 06:17.16 | Gibson | what is the best brand though as far as being supported by drivers and for compatability? |
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| 06:17.52 | SimonRaven | i've always liked the usr ones |
| 06:18.03 | Gibson | so they do work.. |
| 06:18.18 | SimonRaven | external |
| 06:18.40 | Gibson | do they run on 2.6.12? |
| 06:18.51 | v3 | and the mouse device for a ps/2 mouse is /dev/psaux ? |
| 06:18.54 | SimonRaven | um, serial driver.... |
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| 06:19.18 | SimonRaven | plug it in, load driver, turn it on, done. this isn't rocket science |
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| 06:19.31 | v3 | i get a message cannot open device /dev/psaux No such device |
| 06:19.32 | Gibson | is the driver free? |
| 06:19.45 | Gibson | and is it fast/reliable |
| 06:19.48 | bob_ | if you get a hardware modem you are set |
| 06:20.09 | jm_ | v3: why did you tell it to use that then? |
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| 06:20.16 | Gibson | even if its pci? |
| 06:20.17 | v3 | and i have tried /dev/input/mice |
| 06:20.22 | jm_ | v3: are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:20.26 | bob_ | we have a swan external hardware 56k and a 3com internet hardware 56k modem |
| 06:20.26 | v3 | yes |
| 06:20.32 | Gibson | 2.6.12 |
| 06:20.45 | v3 | debian:/home/v3# uname -a |
| 06:20.48 | v3 | Linux debian 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Thu May 19 18:03:29 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:20.49 | jm_ | /dev/input/mice for 2.6 |
| 06:21.00 | jm_ | and make sure you have a driver for your mouse type loaded |
| 06:21.01 | Gibson | hmmm |
| 06:21.03 | v3 | em i still get the same error ... |
| 06:21.25 | dimir | Morning. |
| 06:21.28 | dodgyville | Debian comes with lpr installed, but a lot of sites recommend cups, why is that? |
| 06:21.35 | Gibson | does usr have driver support for linux |
| 06:22.00 | aqua | gibson; huh ? |
| 06:22.01 | bob_ | Gibson, dude, if is a hardware (aka not winmodem) linux will support it easily |
| 06:22.07 | aqua | dodgyville; cups is newer |
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| 06:22.09 | jm_ | dodgyville: it does? I certainly don't have lpr installed |
| 06:22.12 | aqua | dodgyville; a LOT newer |
| 06:22.16 | bob_ | usr gear was _most_ hardware |
| 06:22.35 | dodgyville | So you would recommend cups over lpr? |
| 06:22.38 | aqua | you can get winmodems to work in linux now |
| 06:22.42 | admin_ | does anyone have a sound card that uses the snd-mia driver in alsa 1.0.9? |
| 06:22.43 | Gibson | ok |
| 06:22.46 | aqua | dodgyville; ive never printed in linux |
| 06:22.46 | Gibson | ty |
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| 06:23.31 | bob_ | aqua, they have worked for a long time, you just have to pay for the drivers |
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| 06:23.43 | bob_ | ...unless some one released free 56k drivers and I didn't hear about it |
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| 06:24.33 | knt | is there any KISS port of debian which will fit in a size like 60-70Mb. |
| 06:24.58 | bob_ | damn small linux started from debian if I remember correctly |
| 06:25.03 | bob_ | dsl for short |
| 06:25.14 | psychonate | I think DSL is 50mb |
| 06:25.17 | knt | bob_, let me take a look at it. |
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| 06:25.40 | v3 | (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 06:25.41 | v3 | (EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device(**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 06:25.41 | v3 | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 06:25.41 | v3 | No such device. |
| 06:25.41 | v3 | (EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device |
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| 06:26.18 | bob_ | mmm scsi array spinning up |
| 06:26.29 | Gumby | can anyone suggest how I might fix this type of error.... "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" .. I've setup my locale, but I am unsure as to why these ones arent working |
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| 06:27.26 | Gumby | "locale" shoes en_Ca for everything except LC_All |
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| 06:28.10 | Gibson | thanks for the help guys i think i found my modem http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?sku=USR5610B |
| 06:28.12 | daedalus_ | v3: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 06:28.18 | jm_ | v3: stop pasting crap here |
| 06:28.24 | jm_ | v3: I told you, load a driver for it |
| 06:28.52 | daedalus_ | jm_: Uh, I think he just needs to change the device X uses.... |
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| 06:29.05 | Gumby | v3: could it possibly not be at /dev/input/mice? |
| 06:29.29 | daedalus_ | v3: like, /dev/psaux? |
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| 06:29.36 | v3 | i tride psaux too |
| 06:29.46 | foureyes779_ | nice |
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| 06:29.55 | v3 | i thought 3 lines was ok ... |
| 06:29.56 | jm_ | daedalus_: no |
| 06:30.16 | daedalus_ | well... does dmesg say anything about mouse support? |
| 06:30.23 | Gumby | v3: cat /dev/blah move mouse... no input? cat /dev/blah2.. no input... on and on intil you figure out what it is. once you see input you have the proper device |
| 06:30.46 | Gumby | v3: you pasted 5 lines, not 3 |
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| 06:31.14 | v3 | yes i saw that... i am sorry about that .. |
| 06:31.34 | v3 | input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1 is what dmesg says |
| 06:32.18 | gumleef | Does dpkg have something similar to apt-get's -y flag? I wish to install a specified .deb without being prompted for random stuff. |
| 06:32.26 | gumleef | I've checked the man pages |
| 06:32.41 | jm_ | gumleef: dpgk doesn't promtp for anything |
| 06:33.00 | gumleef | jm_: it does for me, with certain .debs |
| 06:33.02 | jm_ | man my typing is awesome today |
| 06:33.07 | jm_ | gumleef: you must mean debconf |
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| 06:33.18 | gumleef | jm_: nope, dpkg |
| 06:33.22 | jm_ | gumleef: no |
| 06:33.34 | ke6isf | gumleef: What version of Debian are you running? dpkg isn't supposed to do that |
| 06:33.34 | gumleef | i type dpkg -i foo.deb and get asked questions |
| 06:33.38 | gumleef | sarge |
| 06:33.53 | mwilson | Questions like...? |
| 06:34.03 | ke6isf | gumleef: What package? |
| 06:34.16 | jm_ | yes, debconf ... |
| 06:34.17 | ke6isf | I wonder if the questions are in preinst. |
| 06:34.18 | gumleef | ssh |
| 06:34.44 | ke6isf | gumleef: Why are you using dpkg for a specific package? Why not just get the appropriate package from apt-get? |
| 06:34.48 | gumleef | asking what version to use, and whether to start it by default |
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| 06:35.03 | gumleef | I want to install some stuff from a script |
| 06:35.15 | mwilson | gumleef: In other words, questions from debconf, as you WERE TOLD> |
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| 06:35.25 | gumleef | eh? |
| 06:35.35 | gumleef | I don't know what debconf is |
| 06:35.48 | gumleef | that thing that installs dedian? |
| 06:35.55 | v3 | hod do i load a driver for a mouse ... |
| 06:35.56 | jm_ | man debconf ; man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:36.04 | mwilson | Then... not knowing what debconf even is... why did you disagree with jm_ when he told you where the questions were coming from? |
| 06:36.05 | ke6isf | gumleef: Those questions are part of the preinstall. |
| 06:36.11 | ke6isf | gumleef: ...I think. |
| 06:36.26 | gumleef | ok, any way to skip them? |
| 06:36.49 | v3 | if protocol = driver then i have the proper driver ... |
| 06:36.54 | jm_ | v3: did you check /proc/bus/input/devices? paste that to a paste site (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 06:38.00 | ke6isf | gumleef: man dpkg |
| 06:38.21 | gumleef | read it, not enlightened |
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| 06:39.00 | ke6isf | gumleef: Then probably not. I didn't see a way to do it either. |
| 06:39.02 | deadcat | interesting. compiling 2.6.11.12 with gcc3 is fine but gcc4 fails |
| 06:39.12 | gumleef | there isn't a priority option, and DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical doesnt seem to affect it either |
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| 06:39.23 | ke6isf | gumleef: Only thing I can think of is to alter the preinst or remove it entirely, and provide your own configuration if you're just looking to drop it in. |
| 06:39.27 | mwilson | deadcat: Well, yeah... what did you expect? |
| 06:39.43 | deadcat | mwilson: i expect 4 to work dude. (= |
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| 06:39.57 | ke6isf | gumleef: In short, you gotta provide your own .deb. |
| 06:39.58 | mwilson | deadcat: Why? It's not documented that it does. |
| 06:40.14 | gumleef | damn, i was hopiong to skip learning how to make a deb... not that it would be hard im sure, just time consuming |
| 06:40.26 | deadcat | any consultant around? how much should i charge for doing a customize debian install and deploying that machine to 50 other machines? and some additional wireless setup(linux) |
| 06:40.38 | v3 | "ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse" seems to be the relavent part ... i don't have access to a paste site atm |
| 06:40.57 | v3 | and i do have ImPS/2 in xfre86 config under protocol |
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| 06:41.21 | gumleef | deadcat: wouldn't that depend on what is going to be on the final system? |
| 06:41.51 | v3 | and the phys device is is0060/serio1/input0 |
| 06:41.58 | deadcat | gumleef: what you mean final system? |
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| 06:42.06 | deadcat | gumleef: no just the labor. |
| 06:42.23 | deadcat | gumleef: i've never get paid for doing stuff like this before so i dont know. |
| 06:42.42 | gumleef | im doing it for free, so i dunno either :-) |
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| 06:43.07 | deadcat | gumleef: ya.. (=.. we shoudl be paid. forget being mr nice-guy |
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| 06:44.17 | Sunblade | any op alive ? |
| 06:44.20 | kane_ | are there any freenode ops here? |
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| 06:44.29 | gumleef | deadcat: im doing it for a start-up - we have no money |
| 06:44.59 | deadcat | kane_: no |
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| 06:45.07 | karl_ | Can anyone help How do I autostart an application in gnome I need to do it for all users |
| 06:45.27 | deadcat | kane_: click around. its there somewhere. |
| 06:45.34 | deadcat | karl_: ^^ |
| 06:45.41 | sime | Some op's might want to cycle this channel to see the spam on join |
| 06:45.45 | Sunblade | Well actually was. |
| 06:45.53 | Sunblade | Indeed. |
| 06:45.54 | kane_ | sunblade: same here, thought i'd report it |
| 06:46.12 | _SerhaT_ | kane_: *!*@bhaal.staff.freenode (2) Nicks: BhaalWK Bhaal, *!*@lorez.staff.freenode (2) Nicks: LoRez Rez |
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| 06:47.25 | Sunblade | blergh perldoc.com seems to be down for quite some time now. |
| 06:47.33 | kane_ | cheers |
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| 06:48.05 | liable | why would my machine query its own name from dns when a samba connect is issued? |
| 06:48.12 | kane_ | sunblade: not as good, but better than nothing: http://www.perl.com/pub/q/documentation |
| 06:48.24 | Sunblade | kane_: *nod* |
| 06:48.53 | Sunblade | I also have the camel though. |
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| 06:49.25 | kane_ | alternately you could ask if you need something specific.. good chance i know it by heart :) |
| 06:49.35 | _linuxAS_ | hi |
| 06:50.12 | dimir | lol |
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| 06:50.57 | Sunblade | amazing how people can break stuff when you're away for just only two days |
| 06:51.19 | kane_ | usually 2 minutes suffices ;) |
| 06:52.23 | Sunblade | heh |
| 06:52.24 | ztrajp | Hi, got "NT_TRANSACT_SET_SECURITY_DESC failed" when i use the smbcalc command to change owner on a file in w2003, anybody got a tip? |
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| 06:55.43 | adsadsad | bob_: which version of explore2fs do u use? |
| 06:55.51 | adsadsad | bob_: i can't get write access |
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| 06:58.01 | bob_ | 1.07 |
| 06:58.08 | adsadsad | bob_: idem |
| 06:58.20 | adsadsad | how do u add a file? |
| 06:58.25 | adsadsad | drag & drop? |
| 06:58.48 | bob_ | hmm strange, his changelog says that write support is removed totally |
| 06:59.09 | adsadsad | argh :( |
| 06:59.34 | bob_ | mine works, but I might have more things |
| 06:59.43 | bob_ | use paragon :) |
| 07:00.35 | adsadsad | can u give me your? |
| 07:00.40 | adsadsad | version |
| 07:00.53 | Sunblade | hmm $boss did override my advice, I told them to wait |
| 07:01.08 | bob_ | adsadsad, I'm at work :P |
| 07:01.12 | bob_ | bbl got to fix some thing |
| 07:01.31 | adsadsad | ok |
| 07:01.31 | libertine | who can tell me where can apt a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 07:01.47 | dimir | experimental? |
| 07:01.58 | adsadsad | bob_: paragon what? which product? |
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| 07:04.22 | bob_ | adsadsad, erm the one that supports extx and rfs |
| 07:04.34 | cat | anyone knows what java should i download so i can play pool from yahoo.com |
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| 07:05.25 | bob_ | cat, the ffox plugin :) |
| 07:05.47 | bob_ | java.com and download, follow instructions - or use the apt thingy, not sure what that is though |
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| 07:06.15 | bob_ | adsadsad, http://www.partition-manager.com/ it is one of the products from tjhere |
| 07:07.02 | cat | i did bob_ but it doesn't worked |
| 07:07.28 | jm_ | cat: /msg dpkg java |
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| 07:09.28 | bob_ | buy all |
| 07:09.29 | bob_ | bye* |
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| 07:09.55 | adsadsad | bob_: i cant see an image explorer feature |
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| 07:14.21 | |XO4| | what is SAP? |
| 07:14.45 | streuner | in which context? |
| 07:15.13 | |XO4| | streuner u talking to me? |
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| 07:15.46 | streuner | |XO4|: /msg dpkg sap |
| 07:15.51 | keikoz | is there some operator here ? |
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| 07:16.03 | |XO4| | hehe |
| 07:16.05 | keikoz | Umit and Life seems to be onoin-spambots |
| 07:16.09 | keikoz | onjoin* |
| 07:16.25 | jm_ | !ops we have on-join spammers |
| 07:16.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: we have on-join spammers |
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| 07:16.29 | |XO4| | streuner i see alof of job require "SAP" experience...i just wnat to know what this means |
| 07:16.47 | keikoz | mmh that's a good trigger :) |
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| 07:16.57 | jim | |XO4|: and google says? |
| 07:16.59 | streuner | |XO4|: visit sap.com (de) |
| 07:17.00 | liable | !ops life and numit on join pornbots |
| 07:17.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: life and numit on join pornbots |
| 07:17.10 | jim | actually I'm not asking. you google. |
| 07:17.51 | |XO4| | jim i really couldnt figure it out through googgle...i was hoping someone could give mea short clear answer...i guess i expected too much.. |
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| 07:18.34 | jim | yes, if you don't know what it is, then how can/should anyone you ask? google it, figure it out, learn to gather information |
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| 07:19.27 | foureyes779_ | b00 |
| 07:19.31 | jim | I think what you expected too much of is desire to search for you :) |
| 07:19.54 | Desiac | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.23 | jim | if you have symlinks, then it's not possible to lock the file from one place |
| 07:21.25 | jim | btw, are you sure the user can actually read the file? |
| 07:21.28 | Desiac | jim: is it possable to lock the file from each of the symlinks, and only allow +r |
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| 07:21.49 | cat | hey how do i configured my sound card with alsa? |
| 07:21.52 | cat | is it alsaconf? |
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| 07:22.55 | jim | why do you need symlinks? |
| 07:23.11 | jim | you should consider not having them if you want to lock. |
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| 07:23.46 | streuner | !ops umit is an on-join spambot |
| 07:23.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: umit is an on-join spambot |
| 07:23.52 | opc0de | uh what's up with this: <"Life> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos" |
| 07:24.22 | jim | opc0de: onjoin spammer |
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| 07:24.45 | opc0de | lame |
| 07:24.58 | opc0de | is nowhere sacred these days?! |
| 07:25.05 | streuner | annying |
| 07:25.09 | streuner | annoying |
| 07:25.31 | streuner | no, at this time we have lack (OPs) |
| 07:25.41 | opc0de | they should be k-lined |
| 07:25.59 | streuner | go to #freenode and report it |
| 07:26.12 | trueno | Hi! Where can I get the original links for sources.list? |
| 07:26.25 | foureyes779_ | bah |
| 07:26.31 | foureyes779_ | damn spam |
| 07:26.40 | streuner | go to #freenode and report it |
| 07:26.46 | streuner | !ops umit is an on-join spambot |
| 07:26.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: umit is an on-join spambot |
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| 07:35.39 | streuner | We need another OP at this time |
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| 07:35.56 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 07:35.59 | streuner | somebody who's avaiable at this time |
| 07:37.12 | streuner | mostly* |
| 07:38.37 | streuner | OR/AND the solution what peterS suggested |
| 07:38.53 | jm_ | what was that? |
| 07:39.04 | Internat | its not that hard to write a spam bot detector |
| 07:39.12 | Internat | just a client that joins and parts randomly and picks up any msgs |
| 07:39.28 | streuner | some nice trigger, some people /msg <bot> and a certain nick would be banned/kicked |
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| 07:39.57 | jm_ | ahh yes, kind of sudo for IRC |
| 07:40.03 | psychonate | Can anyone recommend a good ed2k client for testing (preferably one with a deb available)? |
| 07:40.11 | kneet | streuner, open to misuse tho |
| 07:40.17 | psychonate | If not, I may just try to compile amule if I feel the need. |
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| 07:42.09 | sether | hmmm, there seem to be pr0n bots that /msg you when you join this channel... |
| 07:42.25 | streuner | we know that |
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| 07:42.40 | sether | i figured |
| 07:42.47 | streuner | !ops umit is an on-join spambot |
| 07:42.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: umit is an on-join spambot |
| 07:43.24 | Morrowyn | life, UmiT stop spamming me when i enter the room ok |
| 07:43.38 | psychonate | lol |
| 07:43.47 | v3 | a bot will probably not respond ;) |
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| 07:43.58 | psychonate | Sure it will. Leave and join again. |
| 07:43.59 | jm_ | heh that's why this is even more annoying - everyone tells the channel about it ;) |
| 07:44.04 | Morrowyn | :) |
| 07:44.24 | Morrowyn | maybe an op is awake to kickban his bot |
| 07:44.47 | v3 | or we could call in the freenode ops ;) |
| 07:45.00 | v3 | and get the bot a kline |
| 07:45.29 | v3 | if someone is already in #freenode they could ask for help ... |
| 07:45.42 | psychonate | v3, you have been appointed to that committe, (of which you are the sole member) ;) |
| 07:46.10 | v3 | psychonate: i wish it were that easy ... it takes too much time to get voice in #freenode |
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| 07:46.22 | trueno | Hi! Where can I get the original links for sources.list? (sid) |
| 07:46.42 | v3 | so you really can't tell them there is a thermonuclear device set to explode in 3 minutes time ;) you have to wait ... |
| 07:46.43 | psychonate | well, I never join #freenode heh |
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| 07:47.40 | pinglapringla | hi, how can i select my video driver in debian? need to adjust my screen resolution |
| 07:48.03 | s_ward | trueno, the apt-howto has examples |
| 07:48.15 | adsadsad | the linux kernel is the same in various distros? oe each distro modify the kernel source and recompile it? |
| 07:49.01 | jm_ | !drxx pinglapringla |
| 07:49.02 | dpkg | pinglapringla: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 07:49.22 | jm_ | adsadsad: yes, most of the distributions apply patches, some more, some less |
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| 07:50.24 | adsadsad | jm_: ok thx |
| 07:50.40 | adsadsad | debian apply more or less? |
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| 07:50.46 | jm_ | less |
| 07:50.50 | adsadsad | :) |
| 07:50.52 | s_ward | trueno, /msg dpkg apt-howto -- replace stable with unstable and don't use non-us |
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| 07:52.13 | ma3x | when i launch ppracer i get this open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory |
| 07:52.16 | ma3x | what does it mean? |
| 07:52.24 | ma3x | should i install sequencer package or something? |
| 07:53.15 | trueno | s_ward: Great, thanks! :-) |
| 07:53.35 | jm_ | sequencer is a MIDI interface |
| 07:54.02 | s_ward | ma3x, that's the OSS sequencer device, as far as I know: modprobe snd-seq-oss |
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| 07:54.49 | ma3x | I did modprobe snd-seq-oss but still get the same error |
| 07:55.07 | ma3x | I really don't know what should i do, install one of the midi packages? |
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| 07:56.14 | s_ward | ma3x, do you have permission to access it? |
| 07:56.26 | s_ward | ma3x, add yourself to the audio group |
| 07:56.26 | floppyears | hi |
| 07:56.32 | ma3x | s_ward, sure |
| 07:56.40 | floppyears | is the 2.6.12.3 kernel debian available ? |
| 07:56.54 | ma3x | but I'm already added to the audio group s_ward |
| 07:56.55 | floppyears | I did apt-cache search and I couldn't find any 2.6.12.y kernel ? |
| 07:57.00 | liable | bob2: you not getting the onjoin? |
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| 07:57.23 | bob2 | had to remove CEI modes |
| 07:57.27 | liable | bob2: thank you. |
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| 07:57.36 | s_ward | ma3x, look in /dev, does /dev/sequencer exist? |
| 07:57.36 | jm_ | thanks mistar bob2 |
| 07:57.49 | ma3x | s_ward, it does exist |
| 07:57.57 | s_ward | floppyears, it's linux-image-2.6.12 |
| 07:58.07 | ma3x | but this ppracer still gives open /dev/sequencer: No such device |
| 07:58.18 | s_ward | floppyears, they changed from being called kernel-image-* |
| 07:58.21 | ma3x | why it shows it like if it didn't exist |
| 07:58.23 | floppyears | s_ward: but I don't want an image, I want to be able to find the kernel that has debian customization and add a few of my own |
| 07:58.25 | s_ward | floppyears, and that's in Sid |
| 07:58.30 | streuner__ | dpkg, beer bob2 |
| 07:58.47 | s_ward | floppyears, look for linux-source then |
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| 07:59.05 | floppyears | s_ward: yes, that's what I've been doing, but I only find up to 2.6.11 :( |
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| 08:00.15 | s_ward | !find linux-source |
| 08:00.23 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.12: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.12 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 35674 kB, Installed size: 35764 kB |
| 08:00.27 | psychonate | I just discovered the contrib and non-free sections heh |
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| 08:02.14 | psychonate | er, I don't see any additional packages though |
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| 08:02.26 | floppyears | s_ward: thanks |
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| 08:04.47 | ser | where can i get amule for sarge? |
| 08:04.48 | s_ward | ma3x, either ppracer is running as a user who can't see it, or ppracer has a problem, (or I'm just talking rubbish, a possibility) |
| 08:05.10 | s_ward | !tell ser about search |
| 08:05.42 | streuner__ | dpkg, info amule sarge |
| 08:05.48 | ser | s_ward: yes, i did a big search previusly |
| 08:05.51 | ma3x | how to see as what user is ppracer running |
| 08:06.06 | streuner__ | ser: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:06.14 | streuner__ | ser: /msg dpkg backports |
| 08:06.24 | ser | OK thanks |
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| 08:11.21 | s_ward | ma3x, it should run as the user who started it, you can use 'ps' to find out (see: man ps) |
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| 08:13.33 | ma3x | s_ward, it might be ppracer's problem, because it says no such device, and not unable to access |
| 08:13.57 | ma3x | do you know any other cool game like ppracer? |
| 08:14.06 | ma3x | racing... |
| 08:14.16 | s_ward | ma3x, am installing it... could waste as much of my work time as #debian :) |
| 08:14.33 | ma3x | :) |
| 08:14.35 | s_ward | ma3x, looks very much like tuxracer |
| 08:14.47 | ma3x | yes its the follower of tux i think |
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| 08:15.28 | Lafy_ | what do i have to do to use ip-in-ip tunneling? |
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| 08:16.48 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 08:16.52 | ma3x | hi amorphix |
| 08:16.59 | ma3x | how ya doin? |
| 08:17.09 | amorphix | i just woke up |
| 08:17.18 | ma3x | had a nice sleep? |
| 08:17.23 | amorphix | so so |
| 08:17.33 | ma3x | :) |
| 08:17.36 | ma3x | me 2 |
| 08:17.49 | amorphix | where are you from ma3x? |
| 08:17.54 | ma3x | switzerland |
| 08:18.08 | amorphix | nice |
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| 08:18.30 | amorphix | good fresh air and secret bank accounts |
| 08:18.31 | ma3x | yup, now we have a very good weather here |
| 08:18.52 | ma3x | and top1 SKIing |
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| 08:19.04 | ma3x | one of the longest tracks in the world |
| 08:19.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 723] by debhelper |
| 08:19.07 | amorphix | i never ski'd before in my life |
| 08:19.19 | alex_ez | hello, people |
| 08:19.21 | amorphix | isnt that dangerous? |
| 08:19.21 | deadcat | where in the menuconfig if i have grsecurity patched shows me that allow this group id to view /proc ? i've seen it before, but since i ln -s gcc to gcc3 i dont see it. weird. i am using 2.6.11.12 |
| 08:19.23 | amorphix | hi alex |
| 08:19.26 | ma3x | never, ever or tried recently? |
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| 08:19.35 | ma3x | it is not that dangerous |
| 08:19.43 | amorphix | never even tried |
| 08:19.48 | ma3x | it's like debian you have to keep trying |
| 08:20.08 | amorphix | debian rox |
| 08:20.25 | ma3x | there are a few basic rules in skiing. you just learn them, then forget them and drive baby! |
| 08:20.36 | amorphix | hehe |
| 08:20.39 | ma3x | i can barely wait october to come |
| 08:20.45 | amorphix | does everyone ski in Switz? |
| 08:20.53 | ma3x | almost, yeah |
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| 08:21.13 | amorphix | why does your country have so much ice then |
| 08:21.17 | ma3x | a lot of US and English people come too |
| 08:21.33 | ma3x | why? The Alps |
| 08:21.43 | amorphix | thats on the border with France right |
| 08:21.47 | Rawplayer | snowboard > ski |
| 08:21.53 | ma3x | With Italy too |
| 08:21.54 | jm_ | it borders to several countries |
| 08:21.55 | amorphix | do you guys speak French? |
| 08:22.09 | adsadsad | bleah |
| 08:22.10 | ma3x | german/french/italian |
| 08:22.11 | adsadsad | :) |
| 08:22.11 | jm_ | the same goes for ski resorts - on some of them you actually ski from one country to the other |
| 08:22.14 | amorphix | phew |
| 08:22.26 | amorphix | multilingal |
| 08:22.26 | ma3x | and retromantsch is the 4th official language actually |
| 08:22.28 | amorphix | impressive |
| 08:22.51 | ma3x | we just had a national holiday few days ago |
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| 08:23.11 | amorphix | we got bombed last month |
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| 08:23.19 | ma3x | on the 1st. Man, it was awesome... such a good firework |
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| 08:23.29 | alex_ez | how i can install ipsec ? have a debian sarge 3.1 |
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| 08:23.38 | ma3x | yes, i've seen that on the news. so terribly sorry |
| 08:23.39 | amorphix | apt-get install ipsec? |
| 08:24.10 | amorphix | thats the first suicide bombing on european soil they say |
| 08:24.11 | ma3x | At that time I was at the bank and saw on the LCD tv "terror in london" |
| 08:24.13 | psychonate | argh |
| 08:24.14 | ma3x | I got schocked |
| 08:24.26 | psychonate | Whenever I set a hill record in asciijump, it segfaults :( |
| 08:24.40 | alex_ez | íåòó |
| 08:24.55 | amorphix | why do they allow criminals to have secret bank accounts in Switz with undisclosed money |
| 08:24.55 | alex_ez | pkg ipsec - not found |
| 08:25.24 | adsadsad | because most of the rich peple are criminal |
| 08:25.29 | amorphix | ha |
| 08:25.40 | amorphix | they must be else how did they get rich eh |
| 08:25.44 | ma3x | I've heard that they 've frozen a lot of accounts |
| 08:25.49 | amorphix | not by paying taxes for sure |
| 08:25.55 | amorphix | oh |
| 08:26.03 | alex_ez | amorphix, pipsecd - it is i need? |
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| 08:26.16 | alex_ez | sorry, for my english ;)\ |
| 08:26.26 | amorphix | alex_ez: let debian manage the dependencies |
| 08:26.40 | s_ward | ma3x, with ppracer, if you have a ~/.ppracer/options try changing 'set music_enabled true' to set 'music_enabled false' (I'm going off tuxracer here, which has a ~/.tuxracer/options -- I wasn't easily able to install ppracer on this machine due to it not being available in Hoary's archive) |
| 08:26.46 | amorphix | alex_ez: you're not installing above or outside the package dist are you? |
| 08:27.05 | s_ward | ma3x, you'll have no music, but it might just stop complaining |
| 08:27.23 | alex_ez | two or three packages, but install by alien... |
| 08:27.30 | ma3x | s_ward, i have music, I was just wondering why is that error msg showing? |
| 08:27.51 | amorphix | you should be careful i think |
| 08:27.54 | s_ward | oh, so it works? I thought it was fatal :/ |
| 08:28.02 | alex_ez | test |
| 08:28.15 | amorphix | alex_ez: use apptitude or apt-get |
| 08:28.15 | deadcat | grsecurity patch on 2.6.11.12 help, cant seem to find th section about "allow a group id to view /proc only" |
| 08:28.19 | ma3x | s_ward, it's already enabled in the ~/.ppracer/options |
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| 08:28.46 | amorphix | im running 2.6.11-2 |
| 08:28.56 | ma3x | s_ward, :) |
| 08:29.00 | amorphix | where do you guys manage to get a 2.6.11-12 kernel from? |
| 08:29.07 | ma3x | kernel.org? |
| 08:29.20 | amorphix | thats not in any debian package tho eh |
| 08:29.27 | ma3x | mine is still 2.6.8-2 |
| 08:29.30 | Nurbs | 2.6.11_._12 not -12 :) |
| 08:29.35 | amorphix | ok |
| 08:29.53 | ma3x | s_ward, you know any other cool game? |
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| 08:30.10 | s_ward | ma3x, xgalaga, minutes of fun |
| 08:30.40 | alex_ez | amorphix, ussually, i use aptitude |
| 08:30.48 | amorphix | im having some issues still with cronjobs failing every few hours and reason is "user does not exist" but it does exist |
| 08:31.00 | amorphix | alex_ez: good man, thats the best way |
| 08:31.13 | alex_ez | amorphix, yeah ;) |
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| 08:31.21 | ma3x | amorphix, btw it's not exactly like in the movies (what you see for bank account transfers) |
| 08:31.28 | s_ward | ma3x, Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (not FLOSS, but available to download and play) |
| 08:31.46 | ma3x | s_ward, Does it require a good video card? |
| 08:31.50 | ma3x | probably? |
| 08:31.51 | amorphix | seriously, i need to sort this crap out..its doin my head in |
| 08:32.04 | amorphix | ma3x oh |
| 08:32.28 | ma3x | amorphix, as far as I know bank account transfers here are just the same like in every other location in the world |
| 08:32.41 | ma3x | for eg. if you transfer money from here to some other place it takes like 2-3 days |
| 08:32.56 | ma3x | it's not like in the movies - push the button and the money is on the other end of the world |
| 08:33.08 | amorphix | but i think your country is more relaxed and allows people to make very large deposits or open accounts without restrictions |
| 08:33.12 | ma3x | the thing is that switz is neutral |
| 08:33.29 | amorphix | in the UK any deposit over £15k in cash gets reported to gov |
| 08:33.42 | ma3x | yes, it's not like they'll question you "Hey fellow where did you got that money from?" |
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| 08:34.19 | deadcat | found it. (= |
| 08:34.20 | s_ward | ma3x, xgalaga requires little, ET probably likes at least a 32MB 3D graphics card |
| 08:34.27 | amorphix | but say you're saddam hussien and you want to put your money somewhere safe, Switz is the natural choice |
| 08:34.58 | Delirus42 | I have a problem that's been driving me insane for hours, and can't find any useful info using google. I'm missing my .Xauthority file, I can't run sudo without it, and can't figure out how to use xauth to generate a new one. |
| 08:35.02 | amorphix | and say you got that money from stealing oil from the state and from illegal arms dealing etc |
| 08:35.03 | ma3x | s_ward, where do i get it from? |
| 08:35.04 | Delirus42 | Can anyone help? |
| 08:35.10 | ma3x | the local shop :d ? |
| 08:36.09 | ma3x | amorphix, if they know that guy is a terrorist, they will sure not let him open an account |
| 08:36.17 | s_ward | ma3x, err, good question, I can't seem to get the torrent (zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969); fileplanet has it, I think |
| 08:36.41 | amorphix | saddam has been held for 3 years? with no trial or anything, and he's forgotten the number of his Switz bank account |
| 08:36.45 | dimir | Is it me, or is anyone else having problems with updating 'deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main' repository? |
| 08:37.15 | amorphix | but its a short distance between president and terrorist eh |
| 08:37.33 | ma3x | s_ward, xgalaga, haha I've played this game on nintento 10 years ago |
| 08:38.13 | Violist | I've just installed Debian 3.1r0a, and unfortunately I can only get 640x480 max resolution and poor colour... how do I go about fixing this? |
| 08:38.16 | dimir | really strange, seems the Packages files are there, when browsing the repository, but apt-get barks these are not available. |
| 08:38.19 | s_ward | ma3x, yup, 's great, swimming baths near where I used to live had an arcade machine |
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| 08:38.51 | amorphix | Violist: in X? edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 08:39.08 | dpy | hi guys |
| 08:39.09 | amorphix | or reconfigure X |
| 08:39.10 | ma3x | let me check this wolfentstein |
| 08:39.37 | dimir | could please someone using sarge and has security updates in sources.list try 'apt-get update' for me? TIA |
| 08:39.39 | amorphix | dpkg-reconfigure (x package name cant remember it) |
| 08:39.49 | dpy | owwww, why can't VNC just be like Win Terminal Server or Citrix or rdesktop |
| 08:39.51 | dpy | -sigh- |
| 08:40.01 | ma3x | amorphix, what happened to that man they shot accidently? |
| 08:40.02 | dimir | hehe, because it's free |
| 08:40.10 | chitsu | anyone from the university of northern british columbia, canada, in here? |
| 08:40.12 | dpy | yeah so ? |
| 08:40.13 | ma3x | did they find him to be a terrorist, or they shot him by mistake |
| 08:40.21 | amorphix | ma3x: well he had a funeral in westminister abbey and also his folks got compensation |
| 08:40.27 | amorphix | he was shot by mistake |
| 08:40.33 | amorphix | 8 times in the back |
| 08:40.37 | dpy | apache is also free |
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| 08:40.44 | dimir | so no hundreds of developers spend thousands of hours making it |
| 08:40.59 | dimir | apache is out there for a decade |
| 08:41.00 | dpy | but it's not all that different |
| 08:41.07 | amorphix | apache is the best |
| 08:41.33 | amorphix | its the reason people run Linux! |
| 08:41.40 | dimir | no one using sarge + security updates around here? |
| 08:41.40 | dpy | why can't I connect to a regular desktop manager (like with X -query mydmserver) |
| 08:41.48 | ma3x | in the back? i understood it was headshot |
| 08:42.02 | xelpud | Does anyone know what environment variable wget uses for specifying a socks proxy? the man page seems to be missing any mention of it |
| 08:42.09 | amorphix | ma3x: maybe it was back of the head, from what i understand he was running away from the cops and they told him to stop |
| 08:42.13 | ma3x | s_ward, check out http://www.fileplanet.com/93620/0/section/Return-To-Castle-Wolfenstein:-Enemy-Territory |
| 08:42.15 | dpy | and then get a DM login screen, and then after I give a valid pw/username I will get my own personal connection |
| 08:42.16 | jm_ | dpy: desktop manager? what's that? |
| 08:42.18 | amorphix | but he was in UK illegally, his visa had expired |
| 08:42.19 | ma3x | what files are needed to run the game? |
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| 08:42.31 | dpy | jm_: kdm, gdm, xdm ? |
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| 08:42.38 | amorphix | it was a big misunderstanding and they thought he was a terrorist fleeing |
| 08:42.40 | ma3x | amorphix, where did he come from? |
| 08:42.44 | dimir | xelpud: I know for http_ ftp_ proxy you export http_proxy, ftp_proxy vars. |
| 08:42.44 | amorphix | Brazil |
| 08:42.52 | dpy | it's the graphics login screen with username/password dialog |
| 08:43.01 | jm_ | dpy: that's display manager |
| 08:43.05 | dpy | ow sorry |
| 08:43.08 | dpy | I meant that :) |
| 08:43.25 | s_ward | ma3x, Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory Client v2.60 [Linux] |
| 08:43.40 | jm_ | display managers usually have remote connections disabled |
| 08:43.54 | dimir | Please, could someone using sarge and has security updates in sources.list try 'apt-get update' and see if there is no errors on security.debian.org? |
| 08:43.55 | amorphix | Doom II |
| 08:44.02 | dimir | damnit |
| 08:44.21 | dpy | jm_: but why isn't it possible to do things like X -query, but then using a real thin client (VNC) ? |
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| 08:44.28 | ma3x | I guess it won't run with my graphic card, it's ATI Radeon IGP340M 64MB shared |
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| 08:44.49 | amorphix | haha |
| 08:44.50 | jm_ | dpy: I don't understand this question |
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| 08:44.52 | amorphix | root has landed |
| 08:45.06 | dpy | I just want all my hosts connecting using VNC to a server, and each host gets his own connection and you log in with username/password |
| 08:45.07 | xelpud | dimir: http_proxy nor socks_proxy seem to work, thanks though |
| 08:45.12 | dpy | just in X -query |
| 08:45.13 | ma3x | usually root gets banned on some other channels |
| 08:45.24 | ma3x | but here, it informs you in a nice way " root has landed " |
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| 08:45.29 | s_ward | ma3x, won't run on this system either :( I have to wait to play it at home |
| 08:45.29 | dpy | just as in X -query |
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| 08:45.34 | amorphix | dimir: no errors here on security |
| 08:45.35 | jm_ | dimir: works here |
| 08:45.39 | adsadsad | dpy: unfortunately vnc sucks with multi connection |
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| 08:45.51 | dimir | xelpud: well it works for me: export http_proxy=<IPADDR>:<PORT>; wget <stuff> |
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| 08:46.07 | dimir | jm_, amorphix: thank you guys, it's me then |
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| 08:46.11 | ma3x | damn, radio is good |
| 08:46.16 | wers | k |
| 08:46.17 | ma3x | I've never really heard that much radio |
| 08:46.22 | ma3x | now I'm streaming all day long :) |
| 08:46.23 | wers | special device /dev/sda1 does not exist ??? |
| 08:46.23 | cat | where? |
| 08:46.29 | amorphix | cool |
| 08:46.31 | wers | special device /dev/sda1 does not exist ??? |
| 08:46.34 | xelpud | dimir: using a socks proxy? |
| 08:46.42 | dimir | xelpud: no, http proxy :-) |
| 08:46.48 | amorphix | radio came before television, now its getting more interest again |
| 08:46.49 | psychonate | ma3x, what stream? |
| 08:47.04 | ma3x | http://64.236.34.196:80/stream/1006 |
| 08:47.07 | cat | how do you people listen to radios? |
| 08:47.15 | ma3x | it's simply great! |
| 08:47.16 | wers | special device /dev/sda1 does not exist ??? |
| 08:47.18 | amorphix | i want to stream video tho from my tv card to backend machine |
| 08:47.18 | wers | ? |
| 08:47.18 | adsadsad | processes in linux have an associated user? |
| 08:47.21 | psychonate | ma3x, er, is that part of any large site? |
| 08:47.26 | ma3x | wers try reboot |
| 08:47.26 | xelpud | dimir: yeah, i'm guessing it's a different var for socks, trying to use a ssh socks tunnel heh |
| 08:47.28 | tchino | my debian server has a hard-disk error: read_super_block: can't find a reiserfs filesystem on (dev 03:05, block 8, size 1024) |
| 08:47.28 | jm_ | dpy: I don't think VNC lets you do that - but one can export current session via VNC |
| 08:47.30 | toadflax | dimir: http://ftp.uk.debian.org is not responding - but ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org is. Interesting |
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| 08:47.32 | cat | what the heck is that |
| 08:47.34 | ma3x | psychonate, yes sky.fm |
| 08:47.37 | cat | is that opera? |
| 08:47.56 | wers | i cant mount my flashdrive .special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 08:47.58 | toadflax | dimir: not sure about other mirrors |
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| 08:48.10 | amorphix | tchino: umount and run fsck? |
| 08:48.19 | dimir | toadflax: I see, I get "302 Moved Temporarily" :-/ |
| 08:48.23 | ma3x | I don't know if its opera |
| 08:48.27 | ma3x | but it could be |
| 08:48.28 | tchino | how can i run without a system |
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| 08:48.38 | amorphix | tchnino: use a boot rescue disk? |
| 08:48.40 | dimir | toadflax: only on secirity stuff |
| 08:48.45 | B0nG | maybe http port not allowed ? |
| 08:48.52 | B0nG | only ftp |
| 08:49.00 | dimir | xelpud: with wget? |
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| 08:49.33 | tchino | amorphix: i have a debian woody boot disk |
| 08:49.41 | amorphix | bibiskuk: bonjour |
| 08:49.51 | adsadsad | for example i have apache and i want that the apache process have the same access that the user "httpdeamon" have? can i associate this user to the apache process? |
| 08:49.57 | amorphix | tchino: you should be able to do it |
| 08:50.36 | dimir | security does not have ftp |
| 08:50.37 | toadflax | dimir: obviously some kind of maintenance going on eh? |
| 08:51.03 | amorphix | those guys are always doing something |
| 08:51.10 | amorphix | but arent we glad they do |
| 08:51.32 | Violist | amorphix: thanks for the help |
| 08:51.37 | amorphix | np |
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| 08:52.24 | dimir | man, the company has blocked http traffic for us! |
| 08:52.28 | dimir | noway, man! |
| 08:52.39 | amorphix | dimir that sucks |
| 08:52.44 | dimir | others than security where ftp in my sources.list |
| 08:52.51 | dimir | that's the problemo |
| 08:52.58 | dimir | amorphix: true :-/ |
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| 08:53.45 | amorphix | blocking http and restricting ports has shown to increase productivity in some companies |
| 08:53.48 | amorphix | heh |
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| 08:54.06 | dimir | heh, time to search for those anonymous proxies |
| 08:54.11 | amorphix | ya |
| 08:54.15 | dimir | :-P |
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| 08:54.32 | dimir | I bet it's PITA to find a good one :-/ |
| 08:55.01 | v3 | you need only one .. tor onion server ... |
| 08:55.04 | v3 | dimir: tor is easy to setup ;) |
| 08:55.11 | s_ward | blocking HTTP, but not IRC? Pfft, I have to proxy IRC |
| 08:56.51 | dimir | s_ward: blocking not the ssh, which I use to connect to the other machine, from which I IRC :-P |
| 08:56.57 | amorphix | ive got a double edged sword problem..i cant function without coffee, and i cant sleep when i drink it during the day |
| 08:57.14 | dimir | damn |
| 08:57.18 | dimir | poor you |
| 08:57.34 | dimir | try to reduce the usage to the one big cup/day |
| 08:57.39 | amorphix | phew, im on caffeine and sleeping pills |
| 08:57.43 | dimir | that's how I did |
| 08:57.45 | amorphix | ok |
| 08:57.49 | dimir | s/how/what/ |
| 08:57.50 | s_ward | dimir, what do you need an anon proxy for then? Use ssh -p to setup local SOCKS proxy |
| 08:57.51 | dimir | :-) |
| 08:58.06 | dimir | s_ward: too lazy to set it up :-) |
| 08:58.18 | dimir | s_ward: but, is it that easy? |
| 08:58.20 | s_ward | dimir, sorry -d |
| 08:58.24 | v3 | caffeine is everrated ;) |
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| 08:58.30 | s_ward | dimir, -D even |
| 08:58.38 | sepski | dpy, what you asked about earlier. isn't that the default behavior ? what was your exact problem again ? |
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| 08:59.06 | dimir | s_ward: gotta check it out, thanks. I was thinking about squid, but it's too much work, half an hour at least :-P |
| 08:59.53 | s_ward | dimir, ssh -D 1080 host.domain.tld ; set your browser to use a SOCKS proxy on localhost:1080 |
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| 09:02.14 | tchino | amorphix: ok, i found my debian bood disk, now there stands boot, how can i start fsck? |
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| 09:03.36 | bartolus | hello |
| 09:03.38 | tchino | how can i start fsck with debian boot-cd |
| 09:05.56 | tchino | can someone help me? |
| 09:05.57 | mops | I'm getting The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:05.57 | mops | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.05 | sepski | tchino, go to second console alt+F2 |
| 09:06.06 | mops | how to properly install g++ please? |
| 09:06.34 | cat | gcc |
| 09:06.41 | dimir | s_ward: thanks :-) |
| 09:06.43 | sepski | tchino, you might have to go thru the installers language selection and such before consoles are available |
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| 09:06.50 | tchino | sepski: i have no system, mya system is crashed, and i want to repair it fsck |
| 09:06.55 | mops | cat: I need g++ |
| 09:07.08 | mops | and I have gcc, and g++ doesn't work |
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| 09:07.13 | sepski | tchino, you booted on the install cd right ? |
| 09:07.45 | tchino | yes |
| 09:08.22 | ma3x | "famd" freezes always my applications (firefox,epiphany ....) |
| 09:08.24 | ma3x | strange |
| 09:08.25 | sepski | tchino, btw, if your disks have broken, running fsck on them only makes things worse, are you sure that what you experience is filesystem inconsistency that will be fixed by fsck ? |
| 09:08.49 | bartolus | I've installed the latest debian 3.1 but at least the mouse(a normal PS/2) doesn't work anymore in X11. I've tried to add /dev/mouse(symbolic link to /dev/psaux), PS/2 and auto for the protocol but without success, the pointer just don't move in X. The Mouse is connected and working (tested under the old debian). |
| 09:09.09 | sepski | !devinputmice |
| 09:09.10 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. Sometimes you need to `modprobe mousedev`. It doesn't always take care of itself. ;-) |
| 09:09.14 | tchino | i must go to breakfast with my woman, i come back in 30 minutes |
| 09:09.27 | bartolus | dpkg: /dev/input/mice doesn't work too |
| 09:09.40 | sepski | bartolus, and youv loaded the psmouse module ? |
| 09:09.42 | sepski | and mousedev |
| 09:10.00 | bartolus | yes for psmouse no for mousedev |
| 09:10.17 | sepski | bartolus, adn you select dev input mice in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 09:10.39 | sepski | bartolus, and your certain that your config file is written to, (you havent edited config manualy) |
| 09:10.49 | sepski | !tell bartolus about drxx |
| 09:10.54 | sepski | !tell bartolus about xmd5 |
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| 09:11.27 | airox | Anybody knows howto compile a single module in the kernel sources and install it ? |
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| 09:12.06 | sepski | airox, you mean a module that's not included in a kernel-image ?? i use module-assistant |
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| 09:12.21 | cafuego | Who are you and what are you doing on my couch? |
| 09:12.39 | airox | Well it are patched orinoco modules that I need to compile. |
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| 09:13.20 | cafuego | airox: The latest kernel already has those (monitor mode) drivers. |
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| 09:15.12 | Hackel | Is there a way I can set a directory so that files created in it (e.g. via sftp) have group write permission enabled? (other than changing the general umask) |
| 09:15.14 | airox | Well it isn't a debian kernel, I was just asking in a place where I think there would be people who know the answer :) |
| 09:15.47 | cafuego | Hackel: No, you'll need to set the umask. |
| 09:15.52 | redtime | what can i use for ripping ram [real audio] in debian? |
| 09:15.54 | jm_ | Hackel: the latter, you can only configure it for group ownership |
| 09:16.40 | Hackel | Thanks |
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| 09:18.22 | bartolus | ok thank you :) |
| 09:18.48 | bartolus | It's strange that now It doesn't get things if I edit manually the files |
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| 09:19.01 | bartolus | anyway good to know it |
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| 09:25.48 | pinglapringla | trying to get my wireless card to work.... the drivers are loaded (shows when typing lspci), but when i type ifconfig, i only get my ethernet card (and localhost) listed.... my wireless card isn't listed as eth1... how come not? |
| 09:26.23 | findme | pinglapringla, your module may not have loaded properly. Check dmesg |
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| 09:26.58 | pinglapringla | hmm... which module do i need? |
| 09:27.11 | findme | pinglapringla, depends on which card you got. Google it budz. |
| 09:27.21 | jim | pinglapringla: what does ifconfig eth1 say |
| 09:27.36 | jim | is it paragraph or error |
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| 09:28.11 | sepski | pinglapringla, what did dmesg say when the modules was loaded ? should tell you the device name |
| 09:28.42 | bartolus | where can I find a recent deb package of openoffice.org ? I've found only http://people.debian.org/%7Ehalls/openoffice/pool/contrib/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_1.0.3-2_all.deb |
| 09:28.48 | ztrajp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:29.30 | pinglapringla | actually i can't see it beeing loaded during boot (dmesg).. but lspci gives me "Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4301 802.11b (rev 02)" |
| 09:29.40 | sepski | bartolus, just install whatever is in the repo for your debian, you never need to download the file before installing it |
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| 09:30.03 | jm_ | bartolus: you mean OOo 2 beta? it's in experimental ... |
| 09:30.13 | jm_ | don't bother installing it if you were not able to find it yourself |
| 09:30.44 | pinglapringla | i don't even know if the wireless lan module is loaded because i don't know the name of it... anybody knows? |
| 09:30.58 | bartolus | I mean 1.1.4 with the latest security patch |
| 09:31.01 | jim | pinglapringla: what does ifconfig eth1 say |
| 09:31.02 | jim | is it paragraph or error |
| 09:31.45 | findme | pinglapringla, what does it read on the card, can you read it, linksys, netgear, d-link, generic ? |
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| 09:31.48 | pinglapringla | ifconfig eth1 gives me "device not found" |
| 09:31.48 | bartolus | jm_: I mean OOo 1.1.4 with the latest security patch or at least 1.1.4 and after installation I will add the patch (?) |
| 09:31.58 | pinglapringla | the card is dell truemobile |
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| 09:32.12 | pinglapringla | inspiron 4150 |
| 09:32.18 | shark_ | hello, can anyone help writing debian linux documentation please? |
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| 09:32.32 | findme | pinglapringla, http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=insp_network&message.id=9153 |
| 09:32.57 | sepski | bartolus, aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 09:32.58 | jim | shark_: I don't know; you haven't said anything what it's about |
| 09:33.19 | sepski | bartolus, if you already have it installed and are worried about security patches aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 09:33.35 | findme | pinglapringla, there is no shortcut, you have to google and figure out what you need for your specific card. |
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| 09:33.47 | jm_ | bartolus: that should be available via security updates if it turns out Debian is affected (for stable) |
| 09:34.08 | shark_ | http://wiki.linux.edu/doku.php?id=handbook:handbook:installation:debian |
| 09:34.44 | shark_ | jim, could you do better? |
| 09:34.53 | jim | and the specific part of what you need is? |
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| 09:35.04 | shark_ | jim, for example this page |
| 09:35.10 | shark_ | jim, can you edit and make it better? |
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| 09:35.53 | tchino | sepski: how can i start fsck with the boot-cd, I'm no at the main-menue, there you can only contain your partitions |
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| 09:36.47 | sepski | tchino, alt+f2 |
| 09:37.01 | libertine | i want to install g++4.0 |
| 09:37.01 | jim | there's a LOT of work to do on that page |
| 09:37.02 | libertine | but it dependece with GCC |
| 09:37.02 | libertine | i using apt-get -f install to resolve dependence |
| 09:37.02 | libertine | but apt remove locale and locale configure package |
| 09:37.02 | libertine | when i reboot my computer |
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| 09:37.21 | shark_ | jim, do you have time right now ? |
| 09:37.22 | alfatau | hi, i've to launch some command from an ssh shell on a linux server, and they take a long time to end (like a file compression). now i'm connected with a dialup and i don't want to stay connected for waiting its end. I tried to launch a command in background but when i disconnect it ends prematurely. what could i do?? |
| 09:37.27 | jim | no |
| 09:37.47 | tchino | sepski: i have two harddisk, i want only repair the hda, not hdb |
| 09:37.51 | findme | alfatau, nohup script.sh >/tmp/a.log 2>&1 & |
| 09:37.54 | jim | but I do have a suggestion... |
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| 09:38.04 | jim | why not use the existing install manual? |
| 09:38.06 | sepski | tchino, did you alt+f2 and find a console you can type fsck in ? |
| 09:38.22 | sepski | tchino, and fsck works on the filessytems on a partition on a harddrive not on the drive itself |
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| 09:38.32 | billions | hey |
| 09:38.33 | sepski | fsck /dev/hda1 forinstance |
| 09:38.34 | billions | how do i install a pcf font? |
| 09:38.51 | shark_ | jim, okay thanks anyway :) |
| 09:38.56 | jim | why not use the existing install manual? |
| 09:39.00 | sepski | alfatau, install and use screen, it's what it was made for |
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| 09:39.11 | shark_ | anyone else willing to contribute? |
| 09:39.18 | sepski | alfatau, lets you easily conenct to the server again later and pick up where you left off |
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| 09:39.37 | jim | under what license would contributions be covered? |
| 09:39.41 | tchino | sepski: i found another console on alt+f2, but when i start fsck, it doesn't found it |
| 09:40.34 | sepski | you coudnt find fsck ? |
| 09:40.34 | tchino | yes |
| 09:40.34 | alfatau | ah, thank you very much |
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| 09:40.34 | jim | you don't seem willing to answer those questions |
| 09:40.38 | alfatau | ah, thank you very much findme & sepski |
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| 09:40.51 | findme | alfatau, nohup is your guy |
| 09:41.03 | shark_ | jim, i'm not here to answer you i look for people to edit the content |
| 09:41.22 | tchino | sepski: and now, can I do anything |
| 09:41.34 | pinglapringla | hmmm, k... trying to load some modules now..... standing in the directory /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ and trying to do "modprobe orinoco_cs.ko"... the file is there... but i get "FATAL: Module orinoco_cs.ko not found" error... can't get why |
| 09:41.59 | sepski | pinglapringla, depmod -a && modprobe orinoco_cs |
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| 09:42.47 | pinglapringla | still no good |
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| 09:43.14 | sepski | and you _are_ running the 2.6.8-2-386 kernel ? |
| 09:43.15 | jim | if you're not willing to answer those questions why do you expect contributors? also, the existing install manual already exists, and is much more filled out than one line saying "step 14" and a picture |
| 09:43.20 | s_ward | shark_, licensing is a legitimate question, more so for open source die hards... if we don't know that our contributions will be free, then we won't contribute full stop |
| 09:43.30 | pinglapringla | yeah |
| 09:43.53 | sepski | and the error say ? |
| 09:44.01 | jim | on the other hand, how much are you paying? |
| 09:44.18 | tchino | sepski: the debian woody cd has no fsck |
| 09:44.33 | sepski | tchino, your on woddy ? i imagined you was on sarge . |
| 09:44.43 | findme | jim, shark_ in other words what are you offering :-) |
| 09:44.51 | shark_ | nothing |
| 09:44.51 | pinglapringla | i got the same error: "FATAL: Module orinoco_cs.ko not found" |
| 09:44.55 | tchino | sepski: i have only a debian woody boot-cd |
| 09:44.57 | sepski | tchino, why dont you just run fsck from knoppix, or why dont you just boot the harddrive and fsck from there ? |
| 09:44.58 | shark_ | i dont offer it's not xmas |
| 09:45.09 | shark_ | you guys are parasits |
| 09:45.15 | sepski | tchino, if your disk dont boot, then fsck is the last thing you needs |
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| 09:45.44 | jim | then: what license do you expect the content to be covered under? what is the purpose of this install manual, given the existance of a complete one? |
| 09:45.52 | s_ward | shark_, correct, it isn't xmas, why should we contribute for nothing? |
| 09:46.36 | jim | or a para ducks |
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| 09:47.02 | mememe | hi |
| 09:47.05 | shark_ | s_ward, if you dunno why then dont ask me :) |
| 09:47.21 | mememe | why when I apt-get install php4-cgi my php4 -v says it's cli? |
| 09:47.27 | shark_ | jim, no licence yet |
| 09:47.30 | mememe | (I'm installing suPHP) |
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| 09:47.36 | jm_ | mememe: why? apt-cache show php4-cgi |
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| 09:48.05 | jim | ok, who would own the material? |
| 09:48.15 | pinglapringla | any ideas? |
| 09:48.50 | sepski | pinglapringla, did you type modprobe orinoco_cs.ko when i told you to type modprobe orinoco_cs ? |
| 09:48.51 | tchino | sepski: yes, my debian server has a hard-disk error: read_super_block: can't find a reiserfs filesystem on (dev 03:05, block 8, size 1024) |
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| 09:49.07 | mememe | jm_, I read that... so...? |
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| 09:49.28 | tchino | sepski: i have no knoppix |
| 09:49.33 | pinglapringla | ahh, no... hold on |
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| 09:49.43 | sepski | !reiserfs |
| 09:49.44 | dpkg | reiserfs is, like, a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 09:49.44 | jm_ | mememe: so you know why it's CLI |
| 09:49.47 | pinglapringla | lol... no error now |
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| 09:50.48 | sepski | tchino, boot on any livecd then. download one it's not hard |
| 09:51.21 | mememe | jm_, the thing is that I'm trying to install suPHP and I'm getting errors when the module is on... I googled for it and I found that if php4 -v says PHP 4.4.0-0.dotdeb.0 (cli) that might cause problems... it should say PHP 4.4.0-0.dotdeb.0 (cgi) |
| 09:51.28 | pinglapringla | so, in order to get it to work now all i have to do is add it to /etc/modules.... and reboot.... and ifconfig will show the wiresless card as eth1?... right |
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| 09:51.54 | tchino | sepski: i have found a knoppix cd from ct magazin, it's knoppicillin-3 with knoppix 3.6 with kernel 2.4.27 |
| 09:51.55 | jm_ | mememe: dotdeb? those are not official packages |
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| 09:52.33 | mememe | jm_, I know... I tried with official packages and now I'm trying with unofficial packages... |
| 09:52.40 | mememe | the result's the same though... |
| 09:53.23 | sepski | mememe, but with the official packages you know they work, (if you do it right) with unofficial ones you can't be quite sure |
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| 09:55.31 | shark_ | big mouth but small cock :) |
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| 09:56.18 | jim | so let's see if I got this right... |
| 09:56.25 | s_ward | shark_, shut up |
| 09:56.36 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.50 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.53 | tchino | sepski: i have no knoppix startet, now i'm on a boot-prompt |
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| 09:57.13 | shark_ | jim, yes, you are not patent for your help on irc arent you? so what's the deal with those questions? |
| 09:57.14 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.25 | s_ward | shark_, if you want contributors, for free, then most are damn well not going to contribute unless they know their contributions will be freely available |
| 09:57.35 | s_ward | shark_, I suggest you choose a license soon |
| 09:57.40 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.45 | jim | I think I got it :) |
| 09:58.06 | s_ward | shark_, I advise either the GNU Free Documentation License, or the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license |
| 09:58.31 | shark_ | if you guys are soooo smart then help me instead of acting like whore |
| 09:58.52 | shark_ | you wanna patent your work? |
| 09:58.58 | shark_ | but you done nothing |
| 09:58.59 | s_ward | shark_, http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/1.0/ |
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| 09:59.06 | Ronin | oh ya shark_ insults will definatly get help faster |
| 09:59.18 | shark_ | :) |
| 09:59.22 | shark_ | my way of speech is correct |
| 09:59.26 | peterS | s_ward: Debian considers neither of those free |
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| 09:59.37 | shark_ | this is not the white house ok |
| 09:59.38 | jim | shark_: but the job is already done... you haven't said anything about what's wrong with using that |
| 10:00.05 | Eonn | guys anyone recommend a lite windows manager and desktop manager? |
| 10:00.05 | tchino | sepski: i repaired it now, i hope all is going right |
| 10:00.25 | s_ward | peterS, oh well, I suppose I shouldn't advise them for Debian stuff then.. |
| 10:00.27 | Eonn | got an old mac here with only 64Mg RAM |
| 10:00.42 | jim | you also haven't said anything about whether you've even looked at it |
| 10:00.44 | Eonn | 64Mb |
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| 10:01.02 | peterS | I think RAM should be measured in milligrams. 64mg. |
| 10:01.16 | Eonn | peterS - lol yeah me tooo |
| 10:01.17 | jim | hey, here's a thought! why not contribute to the existing effort! |
| 10:01.27 | s_ward | peterS, I consider them free enough for me :) |
| 10:01.41 | peterS | s_ward: have you actually read the GNU FDL? |
| 10:01.55 | peterS | all kinds of little restrictions |
| 10:02.10 | sether | Eonn, xwinman.org |
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| 10:02.25 | peterS | like how you can't store a FDL document on an encrypted filesystem |
| 10:02.29 | Eonn | sether - cheers mate |
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| 10:02.33 | Eonn | will give it a go |
| 10:02.39 | jim | what's a mg? a milligig? |
| 10:03.01 | Eonn | jim - a milligram of ram |
| 10:03.06 | Eonn | havent you heard of it |
| 10:03.23 | Eonn | you must be living under a rock - everyone else is in the know |
| 10:03.36 | Eonn | :-X |
| 10:03.39 | jim | ram milligram... |
| 10:03.40 | peterS | someday I'm gonna have a system with a whole gram of RAM |
| 10:03.44 | peterS | that's gonna kick so much butt |
| 10:03.46 | jim | you must think I'm sam I am... |
| 10:03.56 | jim | for I've never heard of a ram milligram!@ |
| 10:04.29 | Eonn | Peter- yeah if you can get it pass customs |
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| 10:04.42 | peterS | jim: would you try it thin or thick? would you try it on a stick? |
| 10:04.46 | alex_ez | hey, guys |
| 10:05.02 | s_ward | peterS, I missed that one, no I haven't read it in full -- maybe I shouldn't rely on others summarising it for me in future :/ |
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| 10:05.09 | undesktop | are scite, anjuta, and similar programs that use scintilla, still broken in Debian unstable? |
| 10:05.12 | faber2 | whats the max file size in XFS? |
| 10:05.22 | Eonn | jim - well thats just it you can only get in in a box with a fox |
| 10:05.24 | jm_ | faber2: check LFS page |
| 10:05.31 | Eonn | enough said |
| 10:05.36 | alex_ez | i want to install mysql5.x to my debian, aptitude database have no it, but... i need it |
| 10:05.36 | alex_ez | somebody knows about it ? |
| 10:05.38 | peterS | s_ward: obviously their intention isn't to prevent people from keeping files on encrypted drives. but that's the effect of the clause saying you can't put the content on media with access restrictions |
| 10:05.38 | tchino | sepski: thank you very much, my system is starteed |
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| 10:05.50 | sepski | tchino, have backups handy ! |
| 10:05.52 | peterS | s_ward: the intent is probably to prevent use of DRM systems like region N DVDs |
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| 10:06.12 | jim | I'll take the fox, you have the box... really, your present really rocks! |
| 10:06.34 | alex_ez | guys, wait for me, plz |
| 10:06.46 | s_ward | peterS, what would you advise for docs instead? |
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| 10:06.54 | peterS | here's some milligrams of RAM. try them, try them, jim-I-am |
| 10:07.16 | peterS | s_ward: I tend to use the same license that's on the code the docs are associated with. the GPL or whatever. |
| 10:07.36 | jim | I won't try them with a box... I might try them with a fox... |
| 10:07.40 | peterS | s_ward: for one thing this makes it possible to embed docs into the code itself - whether as comments or as help text |
| 10:07.43 | undesktop | I mean this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320751 |
| 10:07.48 | sepski | alex_ez, aptitude search mysql |
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| 10:07.55 | undesktop | obviously it's still there |
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| 10:08.03 | peterS | jim: would you, could you, in a tree? what about on irc? |
| 10:08.12 | MEAL | too much people for me |
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| 10:08.14 | MEAL | bye |
| 10:08.21 | peterS | poor MEAL |
| 10:08.31 | sepski | hmm this is a reather low time too |
| 10:08.32 | jim | damn, I just missed out! |
| 10:09.00 | jim | I won't try it in a tree,,, look, I'm here on irc! |
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| 10:09.46 | mops | I'm still getting The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:09.46 | mops | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.54 | mops | when trying to apt-get install g++ |
| 10:10.10 | mops | why it is there? this is on stable! |
| 10:10.23 | jim | what are you trying to install |
| 10:10.32 | mops | apt-get install g+ |
| 10:10.35 | mops | I wrote it |
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| 10:10.49 | jm_ | Version: 1:3.3.5-13 |
| 10:10.58 | jm_ | that's the version of g++-3.3 in stable ... |
| 10:11.07 | peterS | mops: that's odd indeed |
| 10:11.14 | jim | so your system may need some updating? |
| 10:11.20 | mops | I did update |
| 10:11.23 | peterS | mops: g++ and g++-3.3 are certainly compatible versions in sarge |
| 10:11.23 | jim | is your sarge at stable? |
| 10:11.35 | mops | jim: at home no, testing |
| 10:11.38 | sepski | 1:3.3.5-13 |
| 10:11.50 | mops | but I tried apt-get update (on stable) |
| 10:11.52 | jim | but where are you trying to install? |
| 10:11.58 | mops | jim: at home |
| 10:12.06 | mops | jim: testing here |
| 10:12.27 | sepski | mops, if your on testing your running etch.. if your on stable your running sarge. make up your mind |
| 10:12.31 | jim | ok, I'm not quite understanding yet... |
| 10:12.44 | jim | let's give the machines names |
| 10:12.45 | mops | sepski: TESTING |
| 10:12.55 | mops | jim: at home I have testing |
| 10:13.00 | jim | what's the name of the machine at home you're trying to install on? |
| 10:13.01 | mops | and tried to apt-get install g++ |
| 10:13.06 | mops | moonchild |
| 10:13.19 | jim | ok, that's the machine that is running sarge? |
| 10:13.30 | mops | no, moonchild = debian testing |
| 10:13.43 | liable | hippy! |
| 10:13.58 | jim | ok, and you want g++ installed on moonchild? |
| 10:13.59 | mops | I just want to g++ :(( |
| 10:14.02 | mops | and can't install it |
| 10:14.07 | mops | jim: yes |
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| 10:14.33 | mops | jim: and where I'm trying to install g++ I get the mentioned error |
| 10:14.56 | jim | ok, you mentioned a machine running stable... what machine is that? |
| 10:15.10 | sepski | mops try installing g++-3.3 diresctyl see what error you get |
| 10:15.33 | mops | jim: I mentioned that I tried on moonchild change sources.list to point to stable and then apt-get update it |
| 10:15.45 | alex_ez | sepski: thx, i`m try it |
| 10:15.49 | liable | mops: you cant do that.. |
| 10:15.59 | sepski | mops, thats craqy talk |
| 10:16.01 | jim | mops: ok... cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:16.24 | mops | jim: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:16.24 | mops | testing/unstable |
| 10:16.29 | liable | mops: why change sources to stable?? |
| 10:16.45 | mops | liable: I was only trying to get that g++... |
| 10:16.54 | jim | ok, but is this an etch machine or a sarge machine? |
| 10:17.02 | alex_ez | my aptitude find mysql-server-4.1 |
| 10:17.07 | jim | when was the last time you did a full upgrade of moonchile |
| 10:17.08 | mops | sepski: apt-get install g++-3.3 g++-3.3: Depends: gcc-3.3 (< 1:3.3.6) but 1:3.3.6-7 is to be installed |
| 10:17.20 | sepski | alex_ez, and whats the problem with that ? |
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| 10:17.35 | mops | jim: full upgrade you mean apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 10:17.36 | alex_ez | but, i need 5.x |
| 10:17.40 | jim | yes |
| 10:17.46 | mops | jim: 5 minutes ago |
| 10:17.54 | sepski | alex_ez, then your on your own. |
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| 10:17.58 | dv__ | hi |
| 10:17.59 | jim | ok, so you definietely got etch |
| 10:18.06 | liable | alex_ez: then your out of luck. |
| 10:18.07 | mops | jim: etch is testing? |
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| 10:18.12 | jim | yes. |
| 10:18.23 | mops | jim: but I was running on unstable some time ago |
| 10:18.25 | ggibson | exit |
| 10:18.27 | mops | 2 or 3 months |
| 10:18.28 | ggibson | oop |
| 10:18.28 | mops | ago |
| 10:18.34 | dv__ | I can use deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ for checking out the alioth kde packages, for instance. |
| 10:18.37 | mops | jim: error, is there, yes? |
| 10:18.47 | dv__ | but can I set the entire alioth server as a package source? |
| 10:18.58 | dv__ | not just the pkg-kde part? |
| 10:19.02 | liable | mops: on that box, so it was unstable, now its etch, and now your trying to install sarge packages? |
| 10:19.15 | sepski | alex_ez, mysql 5 is perhaps in sid, but i serously would not run sid on a important machine, atlest not now so soon after release |
| 10:19.22 | mops | liable: no sarge pkgs :) I want testing g++ |
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| 10:20.08 | mops | I was only trying if it will install sarge g++ |
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| 10:20.09 | jim | sarge and etch compatibility is getting further and further apart (sarge, being stable, is unmoving while etch is loosely tracking sid) |
| 10:20.09 | sepski | alex_ez, live with mysql4, or install from sources using equivs to satisfy dependencies. and handle your own security if you must |
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| 10:20.09 | mops | jim: so I should run unstable, when I had it once? |
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| 10:20.24 | alex_ez | sepski: aptitude find mysql4.1, i need 5.x |
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| 10:20.37 | sepski | mops, rm /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-setup && aptitude update && aptitude install g++-3.3 what do you get ? |
| 10:21.00 | alex_ez | sepski: thx, ok |
| 10:21.01 | jim | well... I dunno about that part, it's really up to you, and whether you're willing to support yourself (find, fix and report problems, etc) |
| 10:21.25 | sepski | alex_ez, read ---> live with mysql4, or install from sources using equivs to satisfy dependencies. and handle your own security if you must |
| 10:21.35 | alex_ez | sepski: thx ;) |
| 10:21.37 | mops | sepski: debian distribution you think? |
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| 10:21.47 | mops | here is "testing" |
| 10:21.54 | mops | in apt configuration dialog |
| 10:21.56 | jim | what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:22.05 | mops | jim: what sepski said |
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| 10:22.18 | sepski | mops, just do it |
| 10:22.29 | mops | sepski: ok, I'm doing it |
| 10:22.50 | mops | so when I once choose to run UNSTABLE I should run unstable ALL THE TIME? |
| 10:22.52 | jim | but why do you want g++? |
| 10:23.00 | mops | jim: for compiling :) |
| 10:23.00 | sepski | mops, and what error did you now get from installing g++-3.3 |
| 10:23.06 | jim | well you could run a chroot |
| 10:23.17 | mops | sepsi: only updating now, wait pls :(( |
| 10:23.29 | mops | jim: but I think normally, w/o chroot |
| 10:23.54 | mops | jim, sepski: which distro do you have? |
| 10:23.56 | jim | depends on whether you want to work ON debian as well as work IN debian |
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| 10:24.07 | jim | I run stable |
| 10:24.09 | sepski | mops, almost allways stable |
| 10:24.15 | sepski | mops, and some oldstable |
| 10:24.21 | mops | sepski: and at home too? |
| 10:24.28 | sepski | mops, yes |
| 10:24.36 | mops | hmm |
| 10:25.00 | sepski | my hardware isnt so new that i require anything from etch/sid |
| 10:25.08 | mops | aha |
| 10:25.15 | jim | even including the kernel |
| 10:25.28 | sepski | the kernel is just dandy |
| 10:25.39 | sepski | besides the only thing i run is ssh anyway |
| 10:25.45 | mops | I have custom kernel... |
| 10:26.37 | jim | so mops... are you trying to write c++ programs? |
| 10:26.39 | mops | sepski: still gettin the same error :( |
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| 10:26.52 | mops | jim: no, compiling sources that are in C++ |
| 10:27.07 | ArSeN | Hy! Could someone please tell me what was the command to add an IP to my networkcard? Would be very nice! Thanks! |
| 10:27.14 | jim | debian source packates? |
| 10:27.25 | mops | jim: no, outside debian dist |
| 10:27.47 | liable | ArSeN: man interfaces, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples. |
| 10:27.48 | jim | maybe you should run a stable chroot |
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| 10:27.57 | sepski | mops sounds like you have messed up and installed some packages you shoudnt have |
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| 10:28.01 | mops | jim: for compiling and such things? |
| 10:28.07 | jim | yeah |
| 10:28.17 | ArSeN | liable: there was a command .... I forgot it :/ |
| 10:28.17 | jim | and for running the result |
| 10:28.23 | mops | sepski: and how can I know which they are? :( |
| 10:28.26 | liable | ArSeN: ifconfig.. |
| 10:28.28 | mops | jim: how can I do it? |
| 10:28.32 | mops | it sound well to me |
| 10:28.43 | jim | look at debbootstrap |
| 10:28.53 | mops | jim: is there some howto or document? |
| 10:28.57 | ArSeN | thanks! |
| 10:28.59 | jim | probably |
| 10:29.00 | sepski | mops, aptitude install sapt-show-versions && dpkg -l | awk '{print $1}' | apt-show-versions |
| 10:29.03 | sepski | Moppet, and look in ther |
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| 10:29.26 | sepski | s/sapt/apt/ |
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| 10:30.42 | mops | sepski: apt-show-versions: Depends: libapt-pkg-perl but it is not installable |
| 10:30.42 | mops | another error! |
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| 10:31.30 | jim | see, right now sid (and therefore etch but to a lesser degree) are experiencing widespread compatibility problems due to depends and because c++ programs in debian need to all be recompiled to be compatibile with gcc-4 |
| 10:31.35 | sepski | mops, sounds like jim's suggestion of a debootrap isnt so bad an idea |
| 10:31.42 | mops | sepski: :) |
| 10:31.54 | mops | jim: so I should now completly upgrade UP - to unstable, yes? |
| 10:32.00 | dv__ | so there is no way of getting all alioth packages without adding thousands of entries in the sources.list? |
| 10:32.01 | sepski | mops, and unless you realy need testing, why dont you jurt run sarge |
| 10:32.09 | jim | no, just make a chroot |
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| 10:32.30 | mops | but I can't find anything about debbotstrap |
| 10:32.40 | jim | well unless you plan on going back to sarge |
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| 10:32.56 | mops | jim: it is NOT easy to go back to sarge... yes? |
| 10:32.59 | jim | do you have another machine you can do this to first? |
| 10:33.02 | jim | no, it's not. |
| 10:33.07 | mops | jim: no |
| 10:33.14 | mops | I have only one machine at home |
| 10:34.00 | sepski | mops, back to sarge is a pice of cake. backup all userdata, reinstall on sarge, restore your userdata |
| 10:34.08 | jim | how much disk space do you have available |
| 10:34.32 | mops | jim: probably 20 GB etx3 and 50 GB ntfs |
| 10:34.42 | jim | ntfs?? |
| 10:34.45 | mops | yes |
| 10:34.50 | mops | I have multiboot |
| 10:34.53 | jim | you dont' put any of your debian in there, do you? |
| 10:35.00 | mops | no :) |
| 10:35.10 | mops | but I can backup on it |
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| 10:35.28 | jim | do you have a separate /home partition? |
| 10:35.30 | RomanK | Hi all! What's the gnome-equivalent to kde-i18n-de? |
| 10:35.34 | mops | speski: you mean sarge=stable |
| 10:35.51 | mops | jim: no, I have only one - / |
| 10:36.11 | mops | aargh, it would be best to have another computer! |
| 10:36.16 | mops | I must get in some way one! |
| 10:36.22 | jim | yeah, or another drive |
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| 10:36.45 | mops | ok guys thaks for you effort and suggestions! |
| 10:36.46 | jim | how much free space is on the 20g? |
| 10:36.51 | mops | I must run now |
| 10:37.01 | mops | jim: 20 GB is free on my ext3 :) |
| 10:37.13 | mops | /dev/hda2 49G 24G 23G 51% / |
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| 10:37.37 | jim | oh, well... you have plenty of room to either back up, create a chroot or both!@ |
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| 10:38.05 | mops | jim: I don't know how to chroot and have no tutorial :(( |
| 10:38.18 | jim | if you decide to go to stable, you can make etch or sid chroots... or both... |
| 10:38.21 | cat | mops: man chroot |
| 10:38.26 | myr_ | Hi everybody ! |
| 10:38.42 | dv__ | hello? |
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| 10:38.48 | myr_ | I've a problem : my nvidia module is installed |
| 10:38.52 | mops | ok, I'm running now |
| 10:38.54 | myr_ | but X refuses to find it |
| 10:39.00 | dimitrj | hello to all |
| 10:39.00 | mops | bye! and THANKS A LOT! |
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| 10:39.07 | mops | dimitrj: hi :) |
| 10:39.13 | myr_ | (Ibuilt it with m-a) |
| 10:39.16 | jm_ | nvidia driver installs several things - kernel module, X driver, libraries ... and it needs a device file |
| 10:39.20 | rk | hm... seemed i had just a disconnect.. maybe i missed an answer, so i just try again: |
| 10:39.21 | rk | Hi all! What's the gnome-equivalent to kde-i18n-de? |
| 10:39.28 | jm_ | m-a only takes care of the kernel module |
| 10:39.34 | dimitrj | we have an problem with printers by using debian sarge |
| 10:39.56 | dimitrj | we had changed all our business pc to debian sarge |
| 10:40.34 | dimitrj | but all the printer doesn't work |
| 10:40.50 | dimitrj | someone from germany here ? |
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| 10:40.54 | sepski | dimitrj, what printing system you using cups ? |
| 10:40.58 | jm_ | !de |
| 10:40.59 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 10:40.59 | jim | !de |
| 10:41.01 | incorrect | is there a good console based tool for monitoring traffic? |
| 10:41.08 | jm_ | iptraf, jnettop |
| 10:41.27 | jm_ | incorrect: so the answer to your question is -- yes, there is |
| 10:41.40 | incorrect | thanks |
| 10:42.33 | dimitrj | @sepski thats a good question. i'm not the debian spezialist. i have tested it with the cups and i have tested it with the ports directly. |
| 10:43.03 | dimitrj | frist printer was a hp laserjet IIIp. the second an usb printer hp deskjet 845c. |
| 10:43.16 | sepski | dimitrj, usualy i install all the printers on cups in the server. and the clients pick up the printers thru the cups broadcast |
| 10:43.19 | jm_ | at least laserjet IIIp should work just fine |
| 10:43.33 | waveblaster | incorrect: tcpdump is ok for viewing a stream |
| 10:43.36 | sepski | dimitrj, local printers must ofcouse be installed in the cups on the local pc |
| 10:43.43 | amorphix | dimitrj: alles klar |
| 10:43.50 | sepski | !cups setup dimitrj |
| 10:44.03 | sepski | !cups setup |
| 10:44.03 | dpkg | somebody said cups setup was Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 10:44.04 | amorphix | i think cups is the best thing ever, but it can be a bitch to setup |
| 10:44.10 | macadamia | how do i get video card information? |
| 10:44.17 | sepski | macadamia, lspci |
| 10:44.25 | dimitrj | @amorphix can we speak in german? |
| 10:44.45 | sepski | !tell dimitrj abotu de |
| 10:44.46 | amorphix | dimitrj: unfortunately i cannot speak it fluently :( |
| 10:44.46 | peterS | dimitrj: #debian.de exists. I don't know how helpful they are. |
| 10:45.11 | amorphix | dimitrj: is your english so little? |
| 10:45.16 | dimitrj | ok. i will try there. |
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| 10:45.23 | dv | sorry. had a disconnect |
| 10:46.14 | amorphix | cups works far better for printing than Windows ever did on my network |
| 10:46.37 | dv__ | so, anybody has an idea about my alioth problem? |
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| 10:46.47 | amorphix | ive not had a single printer jam/spool issue or crash since i started using cups |
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| 10:47.36 | peterS | dv__: why on earth would you want *all* alioth packages? |
| 10:47.49 | ArodS2000 | Hello can someone tell me where mozilla firefox save cookies ? |
| 10:48.06 | dv__ | because I *dont* want to edit sources.list every time I want to install something from alioth |
| 10:48.11 | peterS | dv__: anyway, you can't do it. people use different conventions for making test packages available |
| 10:48.18 | dv__ | for instance, now I want to use gnome from alioth |
| 10:48.22 | dv__ | -> new line in sources.list |
| 10:48.28 | dv__ | this ends up in a huge sources.list |
| 10:48.38 | ArodS2000 | peterS - Do you know where firefox saves cookies in debian |
| 10:48.40 | peterS | dv__: alioth isn't just another package pool. it's a development environment |
| 10:49.03 | peterS | dv__: people use it for very different things, and packages that they host on alioth are of differing criteria and quality |
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| 10:50.21 | s_ward | ArodS2000, in $your_mozilla_profile/cookies.txt, where $your_mozilla_profile is ~/.mozilla/firefox/<random gibberish>, ~/.firefox/<random gibberrish>, I forget which one |
| 10:50.22 | zcat[1] | ArodS2000: .mozilla/firefox/u7t4own9.default/cookies.txt ? |
| 10:50.28 | sepski | amorphix, i print from windows on cups using a postscript driver. it's very nice |
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| 10:50.47 | ArodS2000 | Thank you! |
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| 10:51.31 | zcat[1] | i think it's teh same for firefox in any distro.. |
| 10:52.02 | jim | zcat[1]: maybe in your home dir |
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| 10:52.27 | zcat[1] | yes, of course it is :) |
| 10:52.55 | zcat[1] | ~/.mozilla/firefox/u7t4own9.default/cookies.txt ! |
| 10:53.03 | jim | (hmm, but youcan't actually see it there... that would mean that the file or dir is...) |
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| 10:53.20 | zcat[1] | ?? |
| 10:53.27 | jim | so you found it |
| 10:53.31 | zcat[1] | who can't see it there? |
| 10:53.43 | zcat[1] | I wasn't asking.. I was answering |
| 10:53.48 | sepski | zcat[1], the /u7t4own9 is randomly generated |
| 10:53.48 | jim | oh, ok |
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| 10:54.08 | zcat[1] | Yeah.. "something like" that |
| 10:54.33 | zcat[1] | is it random, or a hash of the profile name? |
| 10:54.56 | sepski | isnt the profilename the ".default" part |
| 10:55.08 | alex_ez | ïí |
| 10:55.18 | alex_ez | pani, dajte mne golovu |
| 10:55.21 | zcat[1] | Ahh, it's saved in profiles.ini |
| 10:55.23 | zcat[1] | [Profile0] |
| 10:55.24 | zcat[1] | Name=default |
| 10:55.24 | zcat[1] | IsRelative=1 |
| 10:55.24 | zcat[1] | Path=u7t4own9.default |
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| 10:55.41 | alex_ez | Path |
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| 10:56.08 | zcat[1] | Path=u7t4own9.default |
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| 10:56.12 | jim | maybe that's why I don't like ms... I'm an outie, not an ini |
| 10:56.40 | dv__ | hmm |
| 10:56.47 | dv__ | I can't find gpdf 2.10 |
| 10:56.56 | WadenKrampf | hi friendly people |
| 10:57.09 | WadenKrampf | how can i delete files which names begin with an - ? |
| 10:57.25 | zcat[1] | WadenKrampf: rm -- -f |
| 10:57.28 | jim | you could fully qualify their paths |
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| 10:57.40 | WadenKrampf | hey thanks zcat[1] , very nice :) |
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| 10:58.06 | zcat[1] | the solution for people like me that "touch -- -rf" |
| 10:58.23 | alex_ez | touch --* |
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| 10:58.29 | zcat[1] | cos it's funny watching newb's try to remove it.. |
| 10:58.52 | WadenKrampf | that is sadistic fun :) |
| 10:58.58 | alex_ez | ;) |
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| 10:59.34 | alex_ez | ? |
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| 11:00.01 | alex_ez | read/write for all, execute by himself? |
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| 11:01.01 | zcat[1] | ug=rwx o=x you mean? |
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| 11:01.35 | znh | I just put a second harddisk in my computer, but what device is it called? |
| 11:01.41 | sepski | alex_ez, !!!!! get real !!!! that's the limit for joinfloods have nothing what so ever to do with filesystem permisions |
| 11:01.56 | zcat[1] | is it IDE1 slave or IDE2 master? |
| 11:01.57 | sepski | alex_ez, on this irc channel |
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| 11:02.11 | znh | zcat[1]: IDE1 master (on the other IDE cable) |
| 11:02.17 | zcat[1] | /dev/hdc |
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| 11:02.38 | znh | zcat[1]: sudo cfdisk /dev/hdc gives me a fatal error |
| 11:02.38 | ralf | wow, glibc-2.3.5 in incoming |
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| 11:02.50 | zcat[1] | what's dmesg say? |
| 11:02.56 | ralf | i hope it will not broke something |
| 11:03.13 | znh | zcat[1]: no errors, the bios detected it also |
| 11:04.05 | zcat[1] | bios says it's secondary master? |
| 11:04.05 | macadamia | sepski: thanks for earlier, bye |
| 11:04.05 | znh | yep |
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| 11:04.05 | zcat[1] | should be /dev/hdc then |
| 11:04.05 | kneet | Given a deb file - is it easy to find out what owner/group/permissions certain files from that deb are per default install? |
| 11:04.07 | znh | that's odd.. |
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| 11:04.19 | sepski | znh, cat /proc/partitions |
| 11:04.24 | liable | znh: look in kern.log |
| 11:04.32 | jm_ | kneet: yes of course |
| 11:04.37 | znh | aah there is 'hdd' |
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| 11:05.21 | zcat[1] | perhaps it's secondary slave.. |
| 11:05.22 | znh | nope, I am damn sure |
| 11:05.22 | liable | jumper set right? |
| 11:05.22 | sepski | znh, probably set to cable select, |
| 11:05.22 | znh | I didn't put a jumper in it.. It always forces itself to be master |
| 11:05.22 | zcat[1] | ATA66 cable, using CS..? |
| 11:06.10 | znh | I can't open /dev/hdd anyways |
| 11:06.10 | kneet | jm_, OK - I know that answered the question as asked :) So - next q - how ? |
| 11:06.10 | sepski | znh, open ? you mean cfdisk or ? |
| 11:06.10 | znh | Oh it works on with root permissoins |
| 11:06.14 | znh | stupid IBM harddisks.. |
| 11:06.18 | jim | kneet: how do you have your backup stored |
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| 11:06.21 | zcat[1] | sudo -s and then run fdisk from the root prompt? |
| 11:06.23 | jm_ | kneet: unpack the deb, there's a tar.gz in it with all the files - it's also easy to do with say mc |
| 11:06.47 | sepski | znh, you tried partitioning a drisk as a regular user..... i know who i would have celled stupid, and it's not ibm. :) |
| 11:06.48 | znh | zcat[1]: sudo cfdisk /dev/hdd works fine, I see partitions of my other disk |
| 11:06.58 | kneet | Normally an amanda backup - but this time - it's a tar file someone has taken - and I suspect they forgot the p flag to tar |
| 11:07.14 | kneet | jm_, Ah - OK (not been inside debs before) |
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| 11:07.29 | zcat[1] | if your OTHER disk is /dev/hdd and this one's on a different controller, it must be /dev/hda or /dev/hdb |
| 11:07.31 | jim | kneet: try restoring the backup again, this time using p |
| 11:07.38 | znh | sepski: it is, and you are absolutly not friendly.. |
| 11:07.39 | zap | anyone familiar with fetchmail here? i need to access several imap folders using the same host/user. skip host [..] user <user> [...] user <user> [...] works but i need to enter the same passwd twice. omitting the second "user <user>" statement leads to wrong results |
| 11:08.08 | zcat[1] | 'df' -- where are your current partitions? |
| 11:08.10 | kneet | jim, I did use p - all files came out as 640 root.root - and that doesn't let the nagios web process read them :) |
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| 11:08.37 | znh | sepski: at least help people instead of whining |
| 11:08.47 | supernix | anyone here familiar with firestarter ? |
| 11:10.03 | jim | kneet: hmm... so you do need the p on input? |
| 11:10.29 | jim | you might look at the tarfile with -tv |
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| 11:10.35 | kneet | jim, thinking about it that doesn't make sense does it. The guy that created the tar is on holiday right now (lucky for him) |
| 11:10.56 | jim | what did he create the tar from? |
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| 11:11.43 | kneet | Well - it looks like an old install - but - inside the tar it's certainly not the right permissions - (exe files are not +x e.g.) so I wonder if he copied things somewhere else first |
| 11:11.45 | jim | but again, you might look at the tarfile with -tv |
| 11:12.28 | jim | yeah, it sounds like that could have happened... isn't p default on create-tar? |
| 11:12.37 | kneet | Think so |
| 11:12.47 | zcat[1] | how not to back up linux; copy to a fat32 drive then archive it with winzip :) |
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| 11:14.38 | jim | or copy to fat32 and then archive it with anything :) |
| 11:15.11 | john_ | Hello |
| 11:15.14 | john_ | I have a question. |
| 11:15.26 | zcat[1] | defaults for 'tar cjvf' usually work out for me.. dunno how anyone could get it wrong |
| 11:15.27 | zap | @fetchmail - seems this is not supported |
| 11:15.27 | ravenbird | okay, zap |
| 11:15.41 | s_ward | john_, cool, ask it :) |
| 11:15.45 | sadlede1 | hi all, what is your recommended way of configuring a usb stick (usb-storage device) for use with Debian? a static symlink in /dev generated with udev? HAL with pmount. or anything else? |
| 11:16.08 | sepski | !usb-storage |
| 11:16.08 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 11:16.11 | liable | @forget fetchmail |
| 11:16.20 | john_ | Okay - I have /dev/cdrom which only root can access leading to no cd's being played in cdplayer by anything other than root - how to fix that? :\ |
| 11:16.22 | zap | ravenbird: well, i think it's not okay but anyway ;) |
| 11:16.22 | ravenbird | bugger all, i dunno, zap |
| 11:16.37 | zcat[1] | /dev/sda1 /mp3 vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 11:16.40 | jm_ | sadlede1: there's always usbmount |
| 11:16.42 | zcat[1] | That's my mp3 player.. |
| 11:16.48 | zap | ravenbird: so i have to type a little more |
| 11:16.48 | ravenbird | no idea, zap |
| 11:16.52 | zap | ravenbird: np |
| 11:16.52 | ravenbird | somebody said np was "no problem", or "null pointer", or "no pants", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema! |
| 11:16.56 | s_ward | john, try adding your user to the 'audio' group |
| 11:16.59 | vthiru | cd #c |
| 11:17.02 | vthiru | erk |
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| 11:17.18 | s_ward | john_, ^^^^ |
| 11:17.19 | liable | zap: ravenbird is a bot, you triggered it with @ |
| 11:17.25 | zap | liable: i just noticed |
| 11:17.36 | zap | liable: wow that is funny .. not really :-| |
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| 11:17.58 | liable | zap: hehe |
| 11:18.32 | s_ward | john_, sorry, may have been incorrect info |
| 11:18.35 | john_ | s_ward, gnome cd player still gives a drive error :( |
| 11:18.58 | jm_ | john: your cd-rom device should be owned by group cdrom |
| 11:19.42 | s_ward | jm_, thanks, was just looking for that :) |
| 11:19.55 | john_ | jm_, it is, I believe? |
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| 11:20.17 | jm_ | john_: you believe it or know it? |
| 11:20.28 | sadlede1 | dpkg: done all that and works pretty well in the normal case. but it could enumerate to another device next time plugging in, so my static fstab entry would be of no use. |
| 11:20.29 | dimir | :-) |
| 11:20.43 | jm_ | sadlede1: apt-cache show usbmount |
| 11:20.59 | jm_ | if you'll read it this time ... |
| 11:21.09 | drjohn | jm_, ls -l /dev/hdc gives this - brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 Aug 5 04:40 hdc |
| 11:21.13 | jm_ | drjohn: good |
| 11:21.23 | jm_ | drjohn: what does that tell you? |
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| 11:22.50 | Akatemik | Hi. Anyone have experience with flowscan/flow-tools? |
| 11:22.51 | drjohn | jm_, *chirp* *chirp* of crickets on my side for the most part |
| 11:23.14 | dimir | :-P |
| 11:23.15 | jim | ahh, need to get familiar with unix permission system |
| 11:23.19 | zcat[1] | brwxrwxrwx 1 root disk 22, 64 Jan 1 2005 /dev/hdd |
| 11:23.34 | zcat[1] | -- hehe not the best |
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| 11:23.51 | jim | yeah, no kidding.... someone could format your drive for ya |
| 11:24.00 | sadlede1 | jm_: oh, thanks. it's not really what i am searching for, i want a static user-mountable fstab entry |
| 11:24.09 | zcat[1] | Yep, I'm really concerned that someone will format a CD |
| 11:24.25 | jim | so hdd is your cd? |
| 11:24.32 | jm_ | sadlede1: maybe via LABEL stuff then |
| 11:24.35 | zcat[1] | .. tidied it up now; bet that'll break my CD burning aliases and stuff though :) |
| 11:25.00 | zcat[1] | Yeah, hdd is my cd drive |
| 11:25.02 | sepski | sadlede1, use hotplug to get a dev entry for your usb, devide and static fstab to that entry ? |
| 11:25.07 | zcat[1] | cdr/dvd |
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| 11:25.14 | jm_ | or just use hotplug to mount the thing |
| 11:25.32 | drjohn | jm_, rw- is owner, second rw- is group members, the --- is anybody else? |
| 11:25.32 | jim | you'll have to redo some of your permissions |
| 11:25.35 | jm_ | sepski: does hotplug actually give you the device name or do you have to find it yourself? |
| 11:25.41 | jm_ | drjohn: correct |
| 11:26.18 | drjohn | jm_, I tried making my normal user a member of the cdrom group and it/he still cannot play. |
| 11:26.26 | zcat[1] | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 Jan 1 2005 /dev/hdd |
| 11:26.29 | jim | drjohn: what are some ways you could get rw- permission without changing /dev/cdrom |
| 11:26.30 | zcat[1] | that look right? |
| 11:26.32 | sepski | jm_, i was of the impression, that hotplug identifies your usb stic from an id, and maps that to a device name you specify so your whatever usb pen allways get the same device and you can mount it however you want. |
| 11:26.37 | jm_ | drjohn: how did you try to do this? and is the user a member of the cdrom group now or not? |
| 11:26.40 | sepski | jm_, but iv not used it much only read about it |
| 11:26.48 | jm_ | sepski: that's what udev does, not hotplug |
| 11:26.56 | sepski | jm_, ahh my bad then |
| 11:27.06 | jim | zcat[1]: yeah, now you'd have to put yourself in cdrom group |
| 11:27.10 | s_ward | drjohn, you may need to re-login for a change to your groups to take effect |
| 11:27.25 | jm_ | or use newgrp command to avoid logout |
| 11:27.27 | sepski | jm_, i just like /etc/modules ... i guerss i have hard to learn this hotplug/discover/ thing |
| 11:27.38 | zcat[1] | me and everyone else that's supposed to have cd access I assume.. |
| 11:27.50 | jim | right |
| 11:27.55 | zcat[1] | cool.. |
| 11:27.58 | jm_ | sepski: I use hotplug to mount my USB pen drive at home, but I don't use udev (although I may switch at some point in time) |
| 11:28.12 | jim | you probably don't want them to be in disk group :) |
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| 11:28.29 | zcat[1] | yeah, that makes sense ! |
| 11:28.39 | jim | because that goes to my earlier comment too, about being able to format your hd for you |
| 11:28.52 | drjohn | jm_, I used the Group and Users applet for Gnome, heh, went into the cdrom group and added myself as a user. |
| 11:29.01 | sepski | jm_, so when you insert your usbdevices in a different order the devices gets mounted on different places ? |
| 11:29.04 | drjohn | Err member. |
| 11:29.14 | jim | "hey daddy! I learned to format a HD today!" |
| 11:29.27 | zcat[1] | I have offsite backups! |
| 11:29.27 | jm_ | drjohn: should do the job, but it's not effective immediately so you have to a) logout and login again, or b) use newgrp in shell and then start CD player app -- use id command to check this |
| 11:29.47 | drjohn | jm_, be back ;) |
| 11:29.53 | jm_ | sepski: no, the script is pretty dumb so when something funky happens it doesn't get mounted at all (I think I have seen this happen only once) |
| 11:29.57 | jim | that's quite good |
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| 11:29.58 | jm_ | :) |
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| 11:35.46 | DrShade | Hey gang - drjohn back again, that fixed it ;) Thanks! |
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| 11:36.36 | zcat[1] | how does usbmount handle unmounting? |
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| 11:39.23 | Cornadio | Hello Everyone, I seem to be having an issue with my Debian Sarge Server... I installed PHP4 Sucessfully but after some apache issue I uninstalled/reinstalled apache after trying to re-install php i did not recieve the same response as the first time round and none of the confiurations/files were extracted any ideas what too do? |
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| 11:39.55 | sepski | Cornadio, purge php4 first, then reinstall |
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| 11:40.26 | DrShade | Now I've got another problem, but I was counting on this one - both gnome cd player and xmms will read the cd but no music plays but the song is playing, like ya know? Is it an alsa issue, mainly being lack of alsa? heh 2.6 kernel here |
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| 11:40.38 | Cornadio | Thanks Sepski... I knew I had missed something :) |
| 11:40.41 | sepski | Cornadio, when you uninstalled apache php4 got removed not purged, that leaves your config in place, if you had a working config that should be ok, but if your goal was to remove your config and do from scratch you need to purge it |
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| 11:41.14 | liable | DrShade: run alsamixer, put the levels up, then alsactl store |
| 11:41.19 | zcat[1] | DrShade: cd level in your mixer, or the audio cable's not connected? |
| 11:41.42 | DrShade | It's a nforce2 built in sound chip on mobo. |
| 11:41.46 | sepski | !alsa |
| 11:41.59 | sepski | !test |
| 11:41.59 | dpkg | Sorry, sepski, I didn't get your test. |
| 11:42.00 | zcat[1] | there should be a cable goes from the drive to the mobo.. |
| 11:42.17 | zcat[1] | (apart from the IDE one, a little four-wire audio lead) |
| 11:42.25 | sepski | !alsa 2.6 |
| 11:42.25 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 11:43.46 | zcat[1] | and other than that, you have to set the mixer levels, which means you need the whole also drivers and utils working first. |
| 11:44.03 | zcat[1] | *alsa |
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| 11:46.54 | phreak | I need a fs that I can mount ontop of another fs, which saves only the changes I make. (If I change a file, I want it to be smart enough to save the change, not the entire file), is there such a thing? |
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| 11:47.34 | phreak | It _cannot_ make a copy (like unionfs does) of the file, it has to store only the changes. |
| 11:47.37 | Triffid_Hunter | phreak: lvm snapshots do that afaik |
| 11:47.59 | Triffid_Hunter | not sure if it stores whole changed files or just diffs though |
| 11:48.08 | phreak | Triffid_Hunter: Hmm, okey, do you think that can be implemented on an existing fs? |
| 11:48.18 | rixth | Is there an equalizer than affects _ALL_ sound out of my computer? |
| 11:48.20 | Triffid_Hunter | phreak: no idea, i only discovered lvm last week |
| 11:48.30 | rixth | More specifically, RhythmBox. |
| 11:48.34 | phreak | Triffid_Hunter: Ok, I'll check it out anyways, thanks! |
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| 11:48.43 | Triffid_Hunter | rixth: route your alsa via some ladspa plugins |
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| 11:49.13 | rixth | Triffid_Hunter, but that sounds hardddd. Haha, I'll look into it thanks |
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| 11:49.38 | Triffid_Hunter | rixth: it is :/ but mostly due to the lack of decent alsa docs on the net |
| 11:49.40 | sepski | phreak, i guess you can try to use lufs +rsync |
| 11:49.51 | Triffid_Hunter | rixth: you could use jack which has some gui patchbays |
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| 11:50.29 | rixth | Triffid_Hunter, it's apt-getting time! |
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| 11:51.40 | phreak | sepski: Mkay, sounds a bit "less robust" but I'll try that too perhaps. |
| 11:52.24 | DrShade | typing alsamixer gives this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device - :( |
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| 11:53.59 | DrShade | oops - had to run alsaconf - I'm getting ahead of myself |
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| 11:54.21 | dubski | hi, I'm getting the error "OSS Device /dev/dsp is already in use ...." in gnome when i try to play music. works fine in KDE. Can anyone help? |
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| 11:54.57 | jm_ | dubski: only one app can use it at a time in 95% of cases |
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| 11:55.29 | dubski | jm_ is that a Gnome disability? |
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| 11:55.43 | Dionisas | hello |
| 11:55.46 | Dionisas | everyone |
| 11:55.48 | jm_ | dubski: no, sound card disability, check if you have esd running |
| 11:55.55 | Dionisas | i am a guy |
| 11:55.59 | Dionisas | from lithyuania |
| 11:56.06 | Dionisas | can anyone help me |
| 11:56.08 | Dionisas | ? |
| 11:56.09 | Dionisas | :) |
| 11:56.12 | DrShade | AH! MUSIC! |
| 11:56.43 | jim | Dionisas: what, you don't want to be in lithyuania anymore? |
| 11:56.55 | jim | or you don't want to be a guy? |
| 11:57.04 | Dionisas | wha? |
| 11:57.08 | Dionisas | what? |
| 11:57.13 | dubski | jm_: hmm. ok is there a way around it? must me i guess. how to check for esd? |
| 11:57.13 | jim | hmm, maybe you should tell us what you need help with :P |
| 11:57.20 | amorphix | does anyone have any idea what package mod_alias is packed into for Apache 2? |
| 11:57.20 | Dionisas | i know my englich is pure |
| 11:57.31 | Dionisas | but i am trying to ask for a help |
| 11:57.38 | jim | for what |
| 11:57.45 | Dionisas | i start using |
| 11:57.47 | Dionisas | evms |
| 11:57.53 | Dionisas | on debian sarge |
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| 11:57.58 | Dionisas | kernel 2.6.12 |
| 11:57.59 | dubski | Dionisas: yes i can help you... don't take anymore of those pills ;-) |
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| 11:58.15 | jim | what;s evms? |
| 11:58.22 | Dionisas | and i having whese problems and errors |
| 11:58.30 | jm_ | dubski: ps ? |
| 11:58.35 | Dionisas | device-mapper: error adding target |
| 11:58.46 | zcat[1] | evms - Enterprise Volume Management System (core) |
| 11:58.49 | zcat[1] | ?? |
| 11:58.53 | Dionisas | yes |
| 11:58.57 | Dionisas | i am making |
| 11:59.01 | Dionisas | a big ftp |
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| 11:59.05 | Dionisas | 2TB cize |
| 11:59.07 | zcat[1] | press |
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| 11:59.10 | zcat[1] | enter |
| 11:59.10 | zcat[1] | less |
| 11:59.13 | zcat[1] | please |
| 11:59.18 | jim | o |
| 11:59.18 | jim | k |
| 11:59.18 | REyM] | when I apt-install mysql-server and when it tries to start the server it cannot connect through socket. it happens to both stable and unstable here |
| 11:59.20 | Dionisas | ok |
| 11:59.22 | Akatemik | Dionisas: Please write whole sentences into the same comments and not spam with too many lines. |
| 11:59.24 | Dionisas | wil try sorry |
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| 11:59.37 | kaktus | Hi! I |
| 11:59.44 | GlingON | so i try to run the minimal cd version of debian, but my ethernet card (an onboard marvell) isn't reconized and i've tried to use the ones recommened in forums but i get a message about declairing i/o or irq. what am i to do? |
| 11:59.46 | Dionisas | so can anyon help me? any sugestions? |
| 11:59.46 | amorphix | where the f**k is mod_alias in Apache 2, it should be in the package |
| 11:59.49 | dubski | jm_: yes its running |
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| 12:00.23 | kneet | Talking evms - if you install from the net install and choose expert26 - you can include the evms udeb. Does this remove the need for the evms kernel patch for the BD-Claim patch if you still want some partitions not under evms? |
| 12:00.51 | kaktus | I'm having some problems mounting NTFS Disks in Debian. I'm using the command "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda3 /ntfs", and it replies with "mountpoint /ntfs does not exist" What can I do to fix this prob? |
| 12:01.10 | kneet | kaktus, does the directory /nfts exist? |
| 12:01.24 | zcat[1] | kaktus: mkdir /ntfs |
| 12:01.29 | kaktus | Where should I create that directory?` |
| 12:01.33 | kaktus | on root? |
| 12:01.42 | jm_ | dubski: that's occupying your card, check if you can run it with -as switch or use ALSA + dmix |
| 12:01.43 | kaktus | I get an errormessage if I try |
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| 12:02.00 | jim | kaktus: cause the mount point to exist |
| 12:02.05 | kaktus | I assume that I have to be root, so I always start with "su" |
| 12:02.14 | Dionisas | o chosed linux26 option and i know wish to make everythink from new :D sorry for my bad english, but please help me |
| 12:02.16 | zcat[1] | you're trying to do this as the root user? |
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| 12:02.19 | kneet | kaktus, you're telling mount to use /ntfs - so the ntfs dir must be in /. You can create it anywhere you want - as long as you tell mount the correct place |
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| 12:02.49 | Dionisas | zcat[1] yes |
| 12:03.04 | kaktus | aha....Well, Its a bit confusing, because it's very different from windows in many ways |
| 12:03.05 | soriano | hi all! is it possible to force aptitude to remove a certain package before the dependencies of my package are installed? Because I'm having some trouble with a conflict between a dependency and an old package... |
| 12:03.18 | zcat[1] | Dionisas: sorry, that's wasn't for you.. I know nothing about evms :) |
| 12:03.27 | ronrad | hello, anyone knows a debian package I can use to download a complete website (some kind of spider that follows all links on the site and downloads them so I get a local copy?) |
| 12:03.42 | sepski | ronrad, wget |
| 12:03.47 | kaktus | How can I mount flashsticks, and how do I find out what name it has in debian? |
| 12:03.50 | cfarm | sirobot |
| 12:03.58 | zcat[1] | httrack? |
| 12:03.59 | ronrad | sepski: does wget follow links? |
| 12:04.01 | sepski | !usb-storage |
| 12:04.01 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 12:04.04 | dubski | jm_: can you give me more info... where are the settings for that? or is there a FAQ? |
| 12:04.08 | GlingON | what do i do if my ethernet card isn't detected? |
| 12:04.10 | sepski | ronrad, yes if you tell it to man wget |
| 12:04.19 | ronrad | thanks!! |
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| 12:04.54 | jm_ | dubski: you need kernel support for ALSA first, after it works, load ALSA OSS support modules and do /msg dpkg dmix |
| 12:04.55 | sepski | GlingON, where isnt it detected? you load it's module |
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| 12:05.39 | GlingON | its not detected when i try to boot the minmal debian install cd. i tried to select the ones on the list forums mention |
| 12:05.47 | rixth | I just figured it out that I'm using OSS still. |
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| 12:05.54 | chocoIate | how do i provide read permissions for a folder and all subfolders(with other nested folders etc) under it for a particular user ? |
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| 12:06.18 | Anthro | chocoIate: man chmod |
| 12:06.31 | dubski | jm_: cool thanks. I'll give it a shot. |
| 12:06.33 | Anthro | chocoIate: particularly -R |
| 12:06.52 | jm_ | dubski: so install a kernel that has support for it first (2.6 kernels have it by default) |
| 12:06.58 | sepski | GlingON, and what card do you have ? |
| 12:07.04 | kaktus | I've tried to install my printer in linux, but I get the error-message "couldn't find package python-dev" when I type "apt-get install python-dev" |
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| 12:07.12 | GlingON | its onboard marvell 85e something something |
| 12:07.21 | sepski | GlingON, tried with both 2.4 and 2.6 kernel ? |
| 12:07.31 | zcat[1] | probably chown them to a group and put the user in that group, if you still want the files to be owned by yourself too.. |
| 12:07.32 | GlingON | no, i have not. |
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| 12:07.39 | kaktus | But python is found on the "start-menu" in debian! And I can run it! |
| 12:07.41 | sepski | GlingON, boot with linux26 and try that |
| 12:07.45 | Anthro | kaktus: What does python-dev have to do with your printer? And how were you trying to install your printer? |
| 12:07.49 | dubski | jm_: hmm ok i'm using 2.4 but that was the default so I'll change over to 2.6 |
| 12:08.26 | GlingON | dig it, thanks for the tip. i'll hola back if i get nowhere. |
| 12:08.28 | kaktus | I followed installation instructions from hp's homepage |
| 12:08.33 | jm_ | dubski: ALSA also works with 2.4, alsa-modules-2.4.foo for Debian kernels |
| 12:09.08 | Anthro | kaktus: I am not going to read HP's homepage for you. What did you actually do? |
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| 12:09.26 | kaktus | Anthro:http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php |
| 12:09.38 | Dionisas | maybe someone knows where i can try to find help on this topic "evms" i searched in google, but any luck :/ |
| 12:10.03 | dubski | jm_: cool.. i'll try that first. would u rekomend 2.6 or does it not matter? |
| 12:10.29 | kaktus | Anthro: step no.2 says: "type apt-get install libsnmp5-dev" |
| 12:10.45 | Anthro | kaktus: Oy. What printer model do you have? |
| 12:10.55 | kaktus | Deskjet 840C |
| 12:11.00 | Anthro | kaktus: Are you running KDE, by any chance? |
| 12:11.01 | kneet | Dionisas, I came in half way - what exactly was the question? |
| 12:11.04 | kaktus | yes |
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| 12:11.20 | Anthro | kaktus: Excellent! That makes things easier. Okay, do this... |
| 12:11.22 | kaktus | I can choose between that and GNOMW |
| 12:11.27 | kaktus | GNOME |
| 12:11.35 | Dionisas | kneet can i talk to you in private? it will be easier for me |
| 12:11.41 | Anthro | kaktus: Sure. But KDE happens to have a nice printer setup utility. |
| 12:11.41 | kneet | Sure |
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| 12:11.48 | vivek | hello all |
| 12:12.20 | vivek | is it ok to run unstable packages on a not so critical home desktop ? |
| 12:12.34 | vivek | i find lots of packages are not in sarge |
| 12:12.38 | Anthro | kaktus: First, apt-get install cupsys cupsys-client |
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| 12:12.54 | zcat[1] | setting up printers in debian is still teh suck.. there's about five different print managers, and none of them are obvious. I finally got mine working but I'm not actually sure how.. |
| 12:12.58 | sepski | vivek, you missing packages ? have you non-free and contrib sources ? |
| 12:13.00 | Anthro | vivek: Yes, but you should know what you are doing. |
| 12:13.11 | zcat[1] | I think it's using cups |
| 12:13.25 | kaktus | I didn't find out of it. Seems to be hard to install any acessories, like scanner, printer, iPod etc. |
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| 12:13.28 | Anthro | zcat[1]: If you stick to CUPS and use KDE's printer configuration stuff it works pretty dependably. |
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| 12:13.49 | Anthro | kaktus: Got those installed? |
| 12:13.54 | silverbb | vivek: go ahead. live on the edge. ;-) |
| 12:13.58 | uranther | how do i get xdm off the init? |
| 12:14.06 | Anthro | uranther: apt-get remove xdm |
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| 12:14.11 | uranther | :o ok |
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| 12:14.22 | kaktus | I have dual-boot, so I have to write everything down before I try :( |
| 12:14.29 | uranther | you mean i cant edit what starts up in the init? |
| 12:14.38 | cfarm | $ update-rc.d -f remove xdm |
| 12:14.41 | Anthro | kaktus: You are in Windows right now to use IRC? |
| 12:14.42 | uranther | oo |
| 12:14.47 | zcat[1] | without removing it? change /etc/rc3.d/S??xdm to K??xdm |
| 12:14.59 | kaktus | yes. Wireless internetconnection.....problem in linux |
| 12:15.13 | snail | which package do I need to dpkg-reconfigure to get it to re-ask the question "what kind of email system for you want" that it asked during install ? |
| 12:15.17 | Anthro | uranther: If that's all you want, that's easy. But generally if you don't want something running you probably don't want it installed. |
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| 12:15.38 | Anthro | snail: probably exim4-config, but I'm not sure. |
| 12:15.41 | uranther | Anthro: if i remove xdm, it also wants to remove X window system |
| 12:15.45 | vivek | sepski: i have stable main contrib non-free in sources.list so i guess its not available in sarge ;) |
| 12:16.07 | vivek | silverbb, Anthro tnx ;) i will give it a shot |
| 12:16.10 | Anthro | uranther: x-window-system is a virtual package that brings in lots of stuff, including xdm. It will not remove your X server or applications. |
| 12:16.11 | zcat[1] | depends; we don't want xdm running on the webserver, but sometimes I fire it up when I need to look up stuff; surfing the web in links isn't much fun |
| 12:16.16 | cfarm | uranther: why not try my solution? |
| 12:16.25 | snail | Anthro: thanks |
| 12:16.30 | cfarm | update-rc.d -f remove xdm |
| 12:16.33 | vivek | is backports a better option compared to unstable ? |
| 12:16.35 | Anthro | snail: Was I right? Was it exim4-config? |
| 12:16.48 | cfarm | it just remove the file in /etc/rcX.d |
| 12:16.48 | Anthro | vivek: It depends on your purpose and your level of comfort. |
| 12:16.52 | vivek | by backports i am refering to www.backports.org |
| 12:17.04 | silverbb | uranther: couldn't you put "null" in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 12:17.13 | kaktus | Anthro: I have another Idea. I'll connect to net with another machine and start linux on this one :) BRB! |
| 12:17.13 | uranther | o_O |
| 12:17.23 | uranther | i just did the update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 12:17.24 | zcat[1] | rename the files in /etc/rcX.d .. but I think that's what update-rc.d does anyhow.. |
| 12:17.48 | pjn | why not just change the default runlevel to one not containing X? |
| 12:17.53 | Anthro | vivek: If you are willing to dedicate time and effort to dealing with occasional brokenness of unstable packages, go for unstable. You will probably learn a lot in the process. If you wish to be more conservative, stick with backports. |
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| 12:18.34 | Anthro | uranther: For just controlling which init scripts are run for which runlevel, I am a fan of sysv-rc-conf. It's a curses frontend to update-rc.d, and it's quite nice. |
| 12:18.36 | zcat[1] | pjn: because there might not be another runlevel that's already configured for everything you want minus X |
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| 12:19.23 | vivek | Anthro: I think i can spare a couple of hours once in a while... but does it happen too often that it breaks everything and i need to reinstall debian or something? |
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| 12:21.08 | Anthro | vivek: It shouldn't cause sufficient problems to require a reinstall. At least, as long as you're careful. |
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| 12:21.39 | REyM] | when I apt-install mysql-server and when it tries to start the server it cannot connect through socket. anyone that knows what might be wrong? |
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| 12:21.55 | matte | hey |
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| 12:22.17 | Corinno | hello |
| 12:22.19 | snail | Anthro: indeed it was |
| 12:22.42 | matte | i got a problem with a package that i cant remove or install, is there a way to just fix that? |
| 12:22.44 | Corinno | I've a fresh installation of debian but I cannot find /etc/resolv.conf do I have to create it manually ? |
| 12:22.48 | rixth | Oka,y RhythmBox uses Gstreamer right? |
| 12:23.08 | Corinno | matte: which error do you get ? |
| 12:23.16 | rixth | How can I test if Gstreamer is using OSS or ALSA? |
| 12:23.28 | snail | Anthro: now i have a issue where my box thinks it's "localhost.localdomain" in the mail system, clues as to where I config that? |
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| 12:24.43 | Corinno | rixth: just check the gconf |
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| 12:25.11 | rixth | Corinno, how |
| 12:25.17 | matte | not sure wich error you want hehe |
| 12:25.20 | matte | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 12:25.23 | Corinno | snail: I suppose depends on which mta you are using |
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| 12:25.44 | Anthro | snail: It's sort of irrelevant what it thinks it is, as long as you get it to accept mail appropriately and send mail with the right domain appended. That should be configurable with dpkg-reconfigure. If your hostname is localhost.localdomain, though, you need to go through some pain to fix it. |
| 12:25.45 | snail | Corinno: exim4 |
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| 12:26.19 | Anthro | snail: The simplest thing to do might be to grep for localhost and/or localdomain in /etc/exim4 and fix it manually. |
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| 12:26.32 | snail | Anthro: the organisational mail server rejects mail from localhost.localdomain |
| 12:26.37 | snail | Anthro: thanks |
| 12:26.41 | matte | mv: cannot stat `/usr/games/frozen-bubble.wav': No such file or directory |
| 12:26.41 | matte | dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 12:26.41 | matte | dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... |
| 12:26.53 | matte | is it any helpful? |
| 12:26.57 | jm_ | dubski: yes, I would use 2.6 |
| 12:28.39 | matte | hmm, do i lagg? |
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| 12:29.26 | dubski | jm_: i've just installed alsa-modules-2.4xxxx will give it a try but if i don't get it going soon i'm going to move to 2.6 kernel. thanks 4 the help. |
| 12:29.48 | zumi | is the kde install broken in SID at the moment? :/ |
| 12:29.53 | Corinno | matte: maybe you've installed a bogus package |
| 12:30.01 | amorphix | does anyone have any clue what might cause mod_alias not to work on Apache2 in Debian sarge? |
| 12:30.14 | rixth | !info xorg etch |
| 12:30.18 | rixth | !info mozilla-firefox etch |
| 12:30.24 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 12:30.33 | rixth | Geez, still 4. |
| 12:30.54 | silverbb | 6 is in sid |
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| 12:31.35 | chealer | zumi: ask #debian-kde |
| 12:31.35 | matte | is there a way to fix it? |
| 12:31.40 | zumi | I can't do an "apt-get install kdebase" to get it... it gives me a lot line like this: The following packages have unmet dependencies: kdebase: Depends: kappfinder (>= 4:3.3.2-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:32.05 | zumi | chealer, thanks for the redirection, I will ask it there! |
| 12:32.06 | matte | i am kinda stuck here until i get rid of it |
| 12:32.18 | Corinno | matte: don't know .. try to put a dummy file ex. touch /usr/games/frozen-bubble.wav |
| 12:32.33 | matte | ill try that |
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| 12:32.52 | Corinno | matte: after that retry |
| 12:33.25 | Corinno | mmm anyway... someone can spread some lights on the missing resolv.conf in fresh debian installation ? |
| 12:33.49 | Corinno | sorry if it's a simple question |
| 12:33.50 | jim | Corinno: consider what happens with dhcp |
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| 12:34.21 | Corinno | jim: dhcp assigns automatically the ip .. but please explain |
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| 12:34.31 | snail | Anthro: *blush* i fixed it in hosts and now everythign works... |
| 12:34.38 | jim | what else does dhcp give you? |
| 12:34.54 | Corinno | jim: but I don't run dhcp |
| 12:35.11 | jim | but you're asking the question |
| 12:35.18 | Corinno | yes |
| 12:35.32 | Corinno | ehr maybe I'm a little bit confused |
| 12:35.42 | silverbb | gives default gateway and nameserver(s) |
| 12:35.51 | jim | so it gives you an ip... what else does it give you? |
| 12:35.55 | Corinno | question: why there's no resolv.conf? should I've to set it manyally ? |
| 12:36.21 | Corinno | ->why do I have to care about dhcp while it's not running ? |
| 12:36.31 | Corinno | sorry for the dumb questions |
| 12:36.50 | jim | looks like you didn't want the answer after all :) |
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| 12:36.59 | stew | Corinno: if you don't use dhcp, just create a resolv.conf to your liking... |
| 12:37.06 | silverbb | Corinno: you are going to have to enter your own nameservers manually, since there's no dhcp to give it to you. |
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| 12:37.47 | Corinno | ok |
| 12:37.50 | Corinno | tnx |
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| 12:38.10 | Marcion | anyone good at knoppix remastering? |
| 12:38.20 | jim | !knoppix |
| 12:38.20 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
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| 12:38.44 | Marcion | sad case |
| 12:38.46 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 12:39.11 | silensius | !knoppix |
| 12:39.11 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 12:39.20 | silensius | !dpkg |
| 12:39.20 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend |
| 12:39.24 | usernameDeb01 | hellow |
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| 12:39.59 | tengulre | I have 2 Linux Servers, and runing fax services for 40 lines? does the debian support it?? |
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| 12:40.22 | usernameDeb01 | where is auto login settings on sarge please.. ive googled.. dpkg? and still no clarity pleas |
| 12:40.23 | jim | why not? |
| 12:40.33 | tengulre | I want to change current redhat to debian! |
| 12:41.28 | Marcion | tengulre, are you sure? |
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| 12:41.58 | jim | if you have an application involving specialized hardware, you have to make sure that (1) the hardware is supported in the same way on the before and after platform, and (2) that the application runs in the after platform |
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| 12:42.20 | jim | you might have a lot of work ahead of you to determine that. |
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| 12:42.54 | RvGaTe | is there a debian install cd, including a gui ? |
| 12:43.08 | jim | I recommend you get another box with the fax hardware installed, and get it working gradually while the production boxes remain running. |
| 12:43.09 | usernameDeb01 | likewise.. some here recall i had 2 identical, sans one having 128ram, one 320ram, cf-71 toughbook laptops i installed sarge on.. |
| 12:43.10 | tengulre | Marcion, I m thinking...! |
| 12:43.27 | usernameDeb01 | probs with one install that some here helped resolve.. |
| 12:43.29 | tengulre | Marcion,do you have good idea?? |
| 12:43.32 | pinko | usernameDeb01: I do auto-login with qlogin |
| 12:43.34 | usernameDeb01 | now one more mystery.. |
| 12:43.46 | usernameDeb01 | pinko thanks guv.. muchly ;] |
| 12:43.53 | antgel | RvGaTe: you mean a gui during install? |
| 12:44.03 | usernameDeb01 | now same 2 lappys.. |
| 12:44.04 | pinko | I think that it was not found on debian. |
| 12:44.12 | RvGaTe | no, to use debian as a desktop/personal computer antgel |
| 12:44.25 | Anthro | snail: Excellent |
| 12:44.25 | jim | RvGaTe: debian install does not presently use a gui |
| 12:44.30 | usernameDeb01 | one can easily, same day i finished installing sarge on it.. |
| 12:44.31 | vivek | RvGaTe: you can install gnome or kde |
| 12:44.36 | antgel | RvGaTe: debian includes x, and many window managers, desktop environments etc |
| 12:44.42 | tengulre | anybody provide some points to me? |
| 12:44.43 | usernameDeb01 | see my nfs shares on my main workstation.. |
| 12:44.44 | jim | but debian can |
| 12:44.45 | vivek | after you install debian |
| 12:45.10 | usernameDeb01 | but this one.. the 320ram twin.. cannot load the share folder? |
| 12:45.13 | antgel | !tell tengulre about install debian |
| 12:45.21 | jim | tengulre: I JUST DID |
| 12:45.32 | DrShade | I have a question involving mounting a ntfs partition. I mkdir the dir then mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mount/dir - that goes well, but only root can access stuff in it? What's the most optimized way to mount a ntfs partition so that everybody can access it? |
| 12:45.33 | kaktus | Anthro: Hi! I'm back! I managed to install cupsys |
| 12:45.54 | Anthro | kaktus: Good. And your printer is plugged into the USB port? |
| 12:45.58 | kaktus | yes |
| 12:46.16 | RvGaTe | vivek: is there a tutorial somewhere to do that? or do i just apt-get install kde or something in the command line... |
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| 12:46.25 | dunstabulos | DrShade, change the permissions on /mount/dir |
| 12:46.28 | kaktus | What's next |
| 12:46.30 | Anthro | kaktus: modprobe usblp |
| 12:46.53 | Anthro | kaktus: You should put usblp into /etc/modules as well. |
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| 12:46.58 | dunstabulos | or change the group? |
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| 12:47.02 | kaktus | How do I do that? |
| 12:47.18 | cahoot | DrShade: look at the man page for mount - the ntfs section |
| 12:47.22 | Anthro | kaktus: /etc/modules is a file, just edit it and add a line |
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| 12:47.27 | usernameDeb01 | any clues mates please?.. twin laptops.. one sees nfs shares.. one doesnt? |
| 12:47.29 | pinko | RvGaTe: that would probably do it. |
| 12:47.29 | torc | "FATAL: Error inserting ip_gre (/lib/modules/2.6.12.3/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko): Resource temporarily unavailable" - how do i solve that? |
| 12:47.39 | umbop | hey guys, i'm trying to get madwifi module configured, which i've managed to do, however, when i do a modprobe, and it tries to insert the module, it's complaining about the FATAL: Error inserting ath_pci (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/net/ath_pci.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 12:47.47 | dimir | lol |
| 12:47.48 | RvGaTe | pinko: and when i reboot it boots in kde ? |
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| 12:48.34 | pinko | RvGaTe: what do you have so far? you'll need X first |
| 12:48.38 | kaktus | Anthro: So I should try modprobe usblp /etc/modules? |
| 12:49.07 | Anthro | kaktus: Nope. You have two different things to do. First, modprobe usblp |
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| 12:49.34 | usernameDeb01 | any *dpkg* terms i can call up maybe? |
| 12:49.34 | Anthro | kaktus: Second, use your favorite text editor and add a line to the /etc/modules file. |
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| 12:49.45 | Tristan | Hi all |
| 12:49.50 | cadu | hello! kterm is showing squares in places of kanjis , missing font problem ? |
| 12:49.57 | kaktus | Anthro: And by the way....I didn't manage to mount NTFS. I tried mkdir NTFS, but it still says that there's no such directory |
| 12:49.58 | cadu | (japanese shows nicely on firefox) |
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| 12:50.12 | jm_ | cadu: firefox is probably using different fonts |
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| 12:50.17 | RvGaTe | pinko: i just want a clean install of debian (dual boot) with fedora for example, you can choose stuff at install, with debian you only install the core... sooo, i want to know how to setup a dual boot and setup debian with a gui... |
| 12:50.24 | kaktus | Anthro: What should I type? |
| 12:50.27 | Anthro | kaktus: mounting NTFS is something else entirely. And I have a meeting in ten minutes, so try to stay focused. |
| 12:50.35 | kaktus | :) |
| 12:50.38 | Anthro | kaktus: Do you have a root shell open? |
| 12:50.39 | kaktus | Okay. Sorry |
| 12:50.42 | kaktus | Yes |
| 12:50.54 | Anthro | kaktus: type modprobe usblp |
| 12:51.01 | kaktus | yes |
| 12:51.08 | Themafia | how do I execute scripts in init.d at boot time? |
| 12:51.12 | Anthro | kaktus: Any messages from that? |
| 12:51.12 | pinko | RvGaTe: might as well get a distro with lots of preconfigured packages, rather than use the debian installer. |
| 12:51.30 | cfarm | it exe automatilly |
| 12:51.36 | nkuttler_ | Themafia: man update-rc.d |
| 12:51.38 | stew | RvGaTe: in debian there is tasksel |
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| 12:51.47 | pinko | RvGaTe: I mean, preconfigured debian packages. I went with libranet and found it to be excellent. |
| 12:51.48 | RvGaTe | pinko: hmm, ok, is there a distro with a minimal cd like debian? |
| 12:51.53 | jim | Themafia: man update-rc.d ; see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 12:51.55 | antgel | RvGaTe: debian is fine. after install, you get a list of "tasks" |
| 12:52.13 | cadu | jm_: any tips? |
| 12:52.16 | kaktus | Anthro: Cant locate usplp |
| 12:52.19 | kaktus | usblp |
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| 12:52.34 | Anthro | kaktus: What does uname -r tell you? |
| 12:52.35 | antgel | RvGaTe: (that you can select). some of us prefer to select nothing, and install packages with a little more granularity. |
| 12:53.06 | antgel | RvGaTe: debian _is_ a distro with a netinstall cd - that is fairly minimal |
| 12:53.14 | Akatemik | Anybody using flowscan with Debian? |
| 12:53.27 | jm_ | cadu: I use krxvt |
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| 12:53.43 | kaktus | Anthro: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 12:53.52 | Anthro | kaktus: Ah. Hrm, hang on. |
| 12:54.04 | RvGaTe | antel, that is what i meant, but that doesn't include options like installing a gui... so installing a gui requires commands in the shell... but i dont know what commands to get it all working... |
| 12:54.22 | abrotman | RvGaTe: the gui is always your option .. it doesn't install one by default |
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| 12:54.29 | umbop | hmm where can i get the kernel-source for 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 12:54.33 | pinko | RvGaTe: there are a lot of them. I'm not sure which to recommend. you can see if distrowatch is any help. |
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| 12:54.50 | umbop | i can see the 2.6.8 but not -2-686 on the apt-cache |
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| 12:55.12 | Atula | !netatalk |
| 12:55.24 | RvGaTe | abrotman: pinko, i dont need to know what kind of gui i need, i need to know how to setup a debian system next to windows ( 2hdds, 1 for windows, 1 for debian, dual boot) and debian with kde or gnome.... |
| 12:55.31 | antgel | RvGaTe: no. tasksel runs post install. it has a number of "tasks" that you can select, including desktop environment which will install all you need for a gui desktop, afaik. |
| 12:55.35 | Anthro | kaktus: modprobe printer |
| 12:55.48 | Anthro | kaktus: any messages from that? |
| 12:55.52 | antgel | RvGaTe: did you read the linkn i sent you via dpkg? |
| 12:55.54 | Atula | are the bots not working |
| 12:56.05 | abrotman | !ig |
| 12:56.05 | dpkg | somebody said ig was for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 12:56.07 | RvGaTe | antgel: where ? |
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| 12:56.20 | antgel | !tell RvGaTe about install debian |
| 12:56.20 | Atula | !netatalk |
| 12:56.28 | antgel | RvGaTe: apologies, sent it to tengulre |
| 12:56.35 | kaktus | Anthro: No messagw |
| 12:56.37 | Cornadio | Is there any Debian experts that are not busy at the moment? :) |
| 12:56.37 | kaktus | message |
| 12:56.48 | RvGaTe | antgel: its alright |
| 12:56.50 | Anthro | kaktus: Okay, good. Now, open the KDE control panel. |
| 12:56.50 | jim | evidently netatalk isn't a factoid on dpkg :P |
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| 12:57.22 | kaktus | hehe....listen. I have an old comp running windows, and the linux machine on another rooM ! |
| 12:57.27 | jim | Cornadio: /msg dpkg ask to ask /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 12:57.40 | kaktus | I run up and down the stairs for all the commands :P |
| 12:57.49 | Anthro | kaktus: Oy. Three minutes until my meeting. |
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| 12:58.15 | stew | umbop: 2.6.8 is the kernel source for 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 12:58.18 | pinko | RvGaTe: I can see that people here are pretty fond of the debian installer, which you *could* try using. It's not especially simple though. |
| 12:58.25 | kaktus | Okay...so what should I do?` |
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| 12:58.46 | stew | pinko: what about it is non-simple? |
| 12:59.08 | antgel | pinko: are you a troll? |
| 12:59.11 | RvGaTe | pinko: i have already a debian server running, but i want an debian desktop aswell on this pc... but when installing debian, it will only install the shell... so i need to know how to set it up to be used as an workstation... |
| 12:59.29 | abrotman | !ig |
| 12:59.29 | dpkg | from memory, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 12:59.32 | Anthro | kaktus: In the KDE control panel, go to peripherals -> printers. There should be a button or something to let you add a printer. Choose USB and follow the wizard. |
| 12:59.37 | abrotman | !d-i RvGaTe |
| 12:59.39 | dpkg | RvGaTe, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:59.40 | Anthro | kaktus: Gotta run |
| 12:59.54 | antgel | RvGaTe: it won't only install the shell. as i have already said, after install, you get a choice of tasks. we are trying to help you but you are ignoring us. |
| 12:59.58 | kaktus | okay thanks for all help. Hope you pop in later :) |
| 13:00.16 | kaktus | bye |
| 13:00.18 | dubski | just updated from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 now Gnome won't start...any ideas? |
| 13:00.20 | stew | RvGaTe: run aptitude, go into tasks -> user and select "kde desktop" or "gnome desktop" |
| 13:00.28 | stew | RvGaTe: or something like that... |
| 13:00.30 | abrotman | stew: no .. he doens't want a gui |
| 13:00.39 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:00.40 | abrotman | wait |
| 13:00.42 | stew | workstation? |
| 13:00.43 | abrotman | !fuck me |
| 13:00.47 | jim | if you have to ask you're soap? |
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| 13:01.09 | abrotman | RvGaTe: which gui do you want ? |
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| 13:01.15 | stew | dubski: my guess would be /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 13:01.22 | antgel | RvGaTe: do you want to add a desktop to the same machine as your server is on? |
| 13:01.32 | abrotman | servers don't run X |
| 13:01.33 | stew | dubski: but you should read your x logs for the actual problem |
| 13:01.39 | RvGaTe | antgel: no, to my current worksation running windowsxp |
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| 13:01.52 | shadowcat | heh |
| 13:01.56 | shadowcat | servers can run X |
| 13:02.01 | shadowcat | but you don't use them as desktops |
| 13:02.02 | abrotman | shadowcat: no |
| 13:02.05 | RvGaTe | abrotman: kde or somethin |
| 13:02.13 | shadowcat | abrotman: all of my servers have X |
| 13:02.16 | dubski | hmm i get the gdm login screen and then after i log in all i get is a blank background and mouse... mouse works.. |
| 13:02.17 | jim | servers shouldn't run x servers, but can run x clients |
| 13:02.18 | stew | RvGaTe: during the install you are given the option of running tasksel which will let you choose stuff like a "kde desktop" |
| 13:02.18 | pinko | stew: I mean things that are automated by other installers that are not automated by debian's. I didn't expect anyone to disagree with that assessment. |
| 13:02.19 | abrotman | shadowcat: unless of course .. you're trying to install oracle .. which requires X to install :) |
| 13:02.27 | antgel | RvGaTe: then follow the install guide. don't know why you think you only get a shell prompt on startup. we sent you links to installing, use them. i can't kkeep saying the same thing over and over |
| 13:02.27 | stew | pinko: such as? |
| 13:02.35 | shadowcat | abrotman: most of the time I put X on there, just in case |
| 13:02.42 | shadowcat | it's usually disabled during normal operation though |
| 13:02.49 | abrotman | shadowcat: you're evil .. stay away from my servers :) |
| 13:03.01 | antgel | dubski: : did this used to work? |
| 13:03.02 | matte | how do i change my keyboard to another language? |
| 13:03.08 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 13:03.08 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
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| 13:03.17 | jim | sell the one you have, buy the one you want |
| 13:03.17 | jm_ | matte: /msg dpkg layout |
| 13:03.19 | dubski | yeah works with kern 2.4 |
| 13:03.22 | abrotman | shadowcat: you'd have to find one that's capable of running those |
| 13:03.31 | shadowcat | abrotman: lol |
| 13:03.45 | pinko | stew: I'm leaving it as an exercise to the reader. |
| 13:03.48 | matte | doesnt help me much since i dont know how to change window |
| 13:03.58 | antgel | dubski: what if you go to a console, login, and type X? |
| 13:04.01 | stew | pinko: no you just don't know, you were just spouting nonsense |
| 13:04.07 | shadowcat | at times I've had to use a server as an emergency workstation |
| 13:04.08 | stew | pinko: what kind of answer is that? |
| 13:04.10 | antgel | dubski: scrap that |
| 13:04.13 | jm_ | matte: yay no longer there |
| 13:04.14 | shadowcat | then it helps to be able to use firefox |
| 13:04.18 | antgel | dubski: realised that gdm starts |
| 13:04.21 | xst | Does anyone know when taglib 1.4 will be out for debian/sid? |
| 13:04.28 | matte | yay my lucky day |
| 13:04.28 | antgel | shadowcat: elinks? |
| 13:04.33 | abrotman | !info taglib sid |
| 13:04.38 | mkl1525 | Hi! Trying to tar all files that are newer than 01. July with "tar -cvf backup.tar --newer '2005-07-01 0:00' *pdf" but tar stores all pdf files - any mistakes I make with the tar syntax? |
| 13:05.02 | pinko | stew: a dismissive answer. you've completely lost touch with the common man, if you see nothing complicated about installing debian. please remedy that. |
| 13:05.11 | dubski | antgel: yeah so u rekon look in the log then? where can i find that? |
| 13:05.16 | xst | !info libtag sid |
| 13:05.35 | xst | !info taglib sid |
| 13:05.44 | xst | !info libtag1 sid |
| 13:05.45 | jim | pinko: have you actually tried the new installer? |
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| 13:06.09 | antgel | dubski: i don't know. if x starts up, gdm starts up, but your window manager doesn't, then someone else is probably best placed to help you. what WM? what if you kill gdm and run startx? |
| 13:06.12 | stew | pinko: please just give ONE example of something that is more difficult with the debian installer? |
| 13:06.12 | xst | !info libtag1-dev sid |
| 13:06.17 | dpkg | libtag1-dev: (TagLib Audio Meta-Data Library [development]), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.3.1-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 1138 kB |
| 13:06.20 | cahoot | mkl1525: --newer-mtime DATE according to my man tar |
| 13:06.23 | shadowcat | there's nothing wrong with the new debian installer |
| 13:06.31 | abrotman | !info libtag1-dev experimental |
| 13:06.38 | stew | mrduck: tre \*pdf instead of *pdf maybe |
| 13:06.40 | shadowcat | when I started out with Linux I choose Debian and the Sarge Installer |
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| 13:06.45 | stew | ^tre^try |
| 13:06.47 | shadowcat | and now I'm compiling my own packages in debian |
| 13:06.52 | shadowcat | chose* |
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| 13:06.57 | pinko | jim: yep. It worked for me. No complaints or anything. |
| 13:07.03 | usernameDeb01 | any clues on resolving why, twin laptops on sarge, are different in that one sees nfs shares simply.. and one not please?.. |
| 13:07.04 | shadowcat | so I can honestly say that the installer's fine |
| 13:07.05 | dubski | antgel: ok i'll try that. and once i do startx is it "start gnome" to get gnome up? |
| 13:07.06 | dezent | anyone know if there is a problem with finger in sarge ? |
| 13:07.10 | mrduck | stew : ?? |
| 13:07.11 | usernameDeb01 | where to start trouble shooting nfs shares.. |
| 13:07.15 | stew | pinko: uhh, "no complaints" wtf are we taling about then |
| 13:07.26 | stew | mrduck: oh, sorry, meant mkl1525 |
| 13:07.27 | dezent | abrotman: hehe |
| 13:07.30 | abrotman | !fart |
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| 13:07.38 | mrduck | stew: hehe np |
| 13:07.42 | L33T-Spydar | hehe |
| 13:07.43 | dubski | hehe |
| 13:07.47 | L33T-Spydar | hehe |
| 13:07.56 | stew | mkl1525: try \*pdf instead of *pdf maybe so that your shell doesn't interpret the * but tar does |
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| 13:07.59 | antgel | dubski: it will use whatever WM is set. there are a million places for this, including alternatives, and your own user .xinitrc. try it. |
| 13:08.00 | L33T-Spydar | yo |
| 13:08.03 | L33T-Spydar | yo |
| 13:08.04 | dezent | i get this error when installing finger "there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up" |
| 13:08.07 | L33T-Spydar | hey |
| 13:08.09 | dezent | really strange |
| 13:08.13 | L33T-Spydar | yes |
| 13:08.13 | abrotman | L33T-Spydar: are you broken? |
| 13:08.16 | L33T-Spydar | yo |
| 13:08.20 | faber2 | what does a stat of 33060 mean in rw-rw-rw notation? |
| 13:08.21 | abrotman | L33T-Spydar: are you broken? |
| 13:08.22 | noshadow | How do I get back into a machine which's boot stops with "connot open dev/console: No such file"? |
| 13:08.23 | L33T-Spydar | nah |
| 13:08.25 | L33T-Spydar | yo |
| 13:08.25 | L33T-Spydar | why stop? |
| 13:08.26 | dubski | antget: cool ... back soon |
| 13:08.29 | L33T-Spydar | yeah |
| 13:08.37 | abrotman | L33T-Spydar: STOP HITTING ENTER! |
| 13:08.41 | L33T-Spydar | why stop? |
| 13:08.44 | Cornadio | Ok I don't think the dpkg bot will be able to resolve this for me... so if anyone knows basically I am trying to remove php and reinstall it after it screwed up the first time... I was told to purge it but unfortunatly I cannot purge or remove it (php4-common and libapache-mod-php4 any ideas what I shuold do?? Message me so it is easier to read :) |
| 13:08.46 | abrotman | !ops L33T-Spydar seems to be a bot |
| 13:08.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: L33T-Spydar seems to be a bot |
| 13:08.48 | L33T-Spydar | yo |
| 13:08.50 | L33T-Spydar | ooo im l33t |
| 13:08.51 | L33T-Spydar | yo |
| 13:08.55 | antgel | !tell L33T-Spydar about enter |
| 13:08.57 | mrduck | someone knows what causes this when doing ssh login ?? "server unexpectedly closed network connection" |
| 13:08.58 | L33T-Spydar | ooo im l33t |
| 13:09.02 | L33T-Spydar | hey |
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| 13:09.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 13:09.13 | jim | he won't stop |
| 13:09.16 | L33T-Spydar | why stop? |
| 13:09.17 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@210-246-0-9.paradise.net.nz] by mentor |
| 13:09.17 | *** kick/#debian [L33T-Spydar!~matthew@mentor.user] by mentor (mentor) |
| 13:09.18 | abrotman | jim: duh .. he's a bot |
| 13:09.24 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
| 13:09.29 | abrotman | and he was a crappy bot |
| 13:09.36 | shadowcat | heh |
| 13:09.46 | zimnyx | i configured my printer using printconf, and it detect my printer: "Configuring HP DeskJet 712C on parallel:/dev/lp0" which is fine. when i print, print job is sent, but printer doesn;t print.. what can be wrong? |
| 13:09.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
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| 13:10.02 | antgel | is mentor a bot? |
| 13:10.05 | abrotman | no .. |
| 13:10.12 | abrotman | mentor: what are you |
| 13:10.18 | antgel | lol |
| 13:10.28 | mentor | antgel: Why is you think I am a bot? |
| 13:10.42 | abrotman | mentor: info dpkg sid |
| 13:10.44 | mentor | abrotman: Do you feel you need to know what I am? |
| 13:10.52 | abrotman | mentor: love me |
| 13:10.54 | mkl1525 | cahoot, thanks there are both options with my tar (--newer is equal to -N) but newer-mtime works, so thanks for the hint! |
| 13:10.54 | mentor | abrotman: parse error |
| 13:11.02 | abrotman | antgel: he might be a really crappy bot :) |
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| 13:11.07 | antgel | rofl |
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| 13:11.10 | mentor | ahem. anyway. |
| 13:11.13 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
| 13:11.16 | havk | does dpkg (bot) have any commands to look up what packages provide certain files? |
| 13:11.22 | antgel | mentor: the bot-like way you dealt with that bot |
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| 13:11.28 | boycer | havk: find |
| 13:11.34 | havk | thanks |
| 13:11.34 | abrotman | !tell havk about search |
| 13:11.37 | jim | havk: apt-get install apt-fiel |
| 13:11.37 | abrotman | boycer: no .. |
| 13:11.45 | jim | err apt-file |
| 13:11.47 | mrduck | why do i get this at ssh login "server unexpectedly closed network connection" after having executed a heavy php script |
| 13:11.52 | boycer | abrotman: rats. I always get them mixed up. |
| 13:11.52 | mrduck | plz help |
| 13:12.00 | kaktus | Hi! I get an authorisation-error when I try to add a printer using CUPS in KDE! Why? |
| 13:12.06 | noshadow | mrduck: Out of memory? |
| 13:12.14 | mrduck | :s dunno possible |
| 13:12.16 | jim | how heavy was it? |
| 13:12.16 | havk | jim: even better :-) |
| 13:12.17 | antgel | kaktus: are you root? |
| 13:12.21 | kaktus | I know that the password is correct |
| 13:12.23 | kaktus | No |
| 13:12.36 | shadowcat | you have to be root for that |
| 13:12.37 | antgel | !fanfare |
| 13:12.40 | kaktus | But it looks like an ordinary login scheme |
| 13:12.50 | jm_ | kaktus: what login did you use? |
| 13:12.56 | usernameDeb01 | ok diff tact.. better irc channel for nfs share trouble shooting then please? thanks |
| 13:12.59 | antgel | kaktus: you are changing system settings in /etc, you need root |
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| 13:13.02 | kaktus | my nick and not root. |
| 13:13.03 | kaktus | Aha |
| 13:13.12 | mrduck | noshadow how can i recover from that?? it's a vserver debian.. i already killed and restartet the sshd process several times... and even rebooted ones |
| 13:13.12 | jm_ | you have to enter root and root's password ... |
| 13:13.20 | kaktus | So, I have to enable root login on the login scheme, and try again? |
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| 13:13.37 | jm_ | no, use root in CUPS config app |
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| 13:13.47 | abrotman | fuck .. how long do batteries take to charge ... |
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| 13:14.19 | usernameDeb01 | abrotman so many variables guv.. charger, battery type, blah blah ;] |
| 13:14.28 | kaktus | Where do I find this app? on the start-menu? |
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| 13:14.45 | FallOnMe | mrduck: did you check the logs for any unusual stuff? |
| 13:14.51 | jm_ | kaktus: uhm you said you're using KDE tool ... I will no longer reply to messages not directed at me |
| 13:15.02 | mrduck | fallonme.. i didn't find anything |
| 13:15.03 | silverbb | I'm trying to grab libgdl-1-0 from experimental, but it says it can't find it. How do I grab it? |
| 13:15.05 | _linuxAS_ | rehi |
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| 13:15.28 | abrotman | usernameDeb01: i'm waiting to leave for the weekend until they charge .. though . they are just AA .. i could just buy regular |
| 13:15.35 | antgel | kaktus: login to the cups gui with your web browser, as root. that's it. |
| 13:15.52 | FallOnMe | mrduck: hm... do you run this php script from the same ssh session, or via the web? |
| 13:15.54 | nkuttler | silverbb: man apt-get |
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| 13:16.46 | usernameDeb01 | abrotman nicad?.. or metal hyd..? |
| 13:17.13 | FallOnMe | mrduck: out of memory sounds reasonable, but there may be other resources exhausted (CPU?), I don't know much about vservers so I couldn't tell |
| 13:17.15 | silverbb | nkuttler: always get error Couldn't find package. |
| 13:17.19 | abrotman | usernameDeb01: nfc .. for a digicam .. |
| 13:17.29 | abrotman | ni-mh |
| 13:17.30 | dubski | antgel: that works.. so maybe it worked because i was running as root? |
| 13:17.45 | usernameDeb01 | abrotman nicads on cheap chargers need least 12hours.. ni mis can charge in several mins dependent on charger ability |
| 13:17.47 | antgel | dubski: i didn't say do it as root |
| 13:17.54 | dubski | ah |
| 13:17.54 | antgel | dubski: do it as yourself |
| 13:18.07 | dubski | antget: duh..ok back soon |
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| 13:18.14 | havk | is it a good idea to uninstall portmap if i dont need NFS or NIS? |
| 13:18.17 | dezent | is there any way to force uninstall of finger ? |
| 13:18.23 | mrduck | FallOnMe: i have seen once in logs that there is some kind of service limiting me in resources like delaying my requests and stuff.. and i'm running the script as CLI from the ssh |
| 13:18.37 | antgel | havk: i reckon |
| 13:18.49 | antgel | dezent: just uninstall it |
| 13:18.49 | jim | silverbb: if you're messing with experimental, note that there are packages there that could do major damage to your system. |
| 13:18.51 | jm_ | havk: it's always a good idea to uninstall things you don't need, especially if they're accessible via network |
| 13:19.06 | dezent | antgel: no the scripts are broken.. it wont uninstall cleanly |
| 13:19.14 | abrotman | havk: i do |
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| 13:19.32 | antgel | dezent: suggest you inform us exactly what the error message is |
| 13:19.32 | silverbb | jim: I'm aware. |
| 13:19.42 | jim | in addition it could be that some packages can't upgrade properly |
| 13:19.48 | dezent | antgel: yes 2 secs |
| 13:20.05 | dezent | antgel: "there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up" |
| 13:20.14 | afaict | Hi folks, Does any one know why /proc/cpuinfo is showing a wring cpu mhz ? i have a notebook |
| 13:20.19 | dezent | antgel: and not in the old either |
| 13:20.29 | antgel | dezent: can you stick it in a pastebin, all of it? |
| 13:20.51 | antgel | afaict: it's probably right. how wrong is it? |
| 13:20.54 | dezent | antgel: how do you mean ? |
| 13:21.10 | nkuttler | afaict: do you have cpu frequency scaling active? are there any bios settings for the cpu freq? |
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| 13:21.20 | antgel | dezent: the entire command and message |
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| 13:21.25 | FallOnMe | mrduck: if you have access to dmesg or /var/log/kern.log, you might find the reasons for killing there. If the host is running a GrSecurty enabled kernel, it might be configured to enforce the limits and kill off your processes. Does `uname -r` have something like "grsec" in it? |
| 13:21.31 | antgel | !tell dezent about pastebin |
| 13:22.04 | afaict | nkuttler, I have powernowd running |
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| 13:23.03 | dubski | antgel: ok did it as normal user. i got to the screen with the mouse cursor as an X and thats all.. no consols..and no WM |
| 13:23.19 | stew | afaict: that's why then... |
| 13:23.33 | antgel | dubski: what WM you expect? |
| 13:23.43 | dubski | antget: gnome |
| 13:23.53 | FallOnMe | mrduck: ... I'm probably on the wrong track there, you said you rebooted and restarted sshd, so you have root access, right? grsecurity shouldn't kill off the main sshd. |
| 13:24.02 | antgel | dubski: gnome is a desktop environment, not a WM |
| 13:24.08 | mrduck | FallOnMe: kern.log is empty, i suppose the real kern log is the log of the main system which i can't access |
| 13:24.10 | afaict | stew its running on minimal frequency... why ? its running by energy power |
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| 13:24.26 | dezent | antgel: http://pastebin.ca/19380 |
| 13:24.28 | dubski | antget: my mistake.. ok no desktop environment |
| 13:24.30 | mrduck | FallOnMe: well i suppose the MAIN-system can kill my processes |
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| 13:24.59 | silverbb | dubski: metacity is the wm for gnome. |
| 13:25.13 | DrShade | Why is this command not working? : mount -t ntfs -o ro uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/hda1 /home/john/ntfs_stuff/ |
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| 13:25.26 | stew | afaict: sounds like you need to configure powernowd bette |
| 13:25.37 | mrduck | FallOnMe: uname says Linux ^^ and -r is an invalid option :S |
| 13:25.41 | antgel | !tell DrShade about ask |
| 13:25.47 | stew | DrShade: what error message do you get? |
| 13:25.49 | dubski | antgel: so is that what i was seening or is that something under the wm? |
| 13:25.49 | antgel | DrShade: specifically, what's the error? |
| 13:25.54 | FallOnMe | mrduck: uname -a? |
| 13:26.14 | antgel | dubski: you can find all that out on google much more easily and quickly than i can tell you. |
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| 13:26.23 | abrotman | !tell DrShade about ntfsrw |
| 13:26.25 | FallOnMe | mrduck: /proc/version? |
| 13:26.28 | abrotman | !tell DrShade about ntfs |
| 13:26.35 | dezent | antgel: did it give any clue ? |
| 13:26.41 | dubski | antgel: no probs. any idea what i should try next? |
| 13:26.43 | abrotman | !tell DrShade about ro-ntfs |
| 13:26.47 | mrduck | FallOnMe: don't think it's interesting --> Linux m26s17 2.4.26-vs1.27 #4 Sat Jun 19 02:13:35 CEST 2004 i686 unknown |
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| 13:26.52 | abrotman | there we go |
| 13:27.00 | antgel | dubski: as silverbb says, i think gnome usually uses metacity, but you can use any WM |
| 13:27.07 | antgel | dubski: make sure metacity is installed |
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| 13:27.13 | FallOnMe | mrduck: at least it says it's a vserver kernel. ;-) |
| 13:27.19 | antgel | dezent: apt-get -f install |
| 13:27.21 | mrduck | ^^^ |
| 13:27.41 | DrShade | antgel, it just prints out the mount help, as in mount --help |
| 13:27.49 | nrclf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.49 | nrclf | < debian > |
| 13:27.49 | nrclf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.49 | nrclf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.49 | nrclf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:27.59 | abrotman | moron |
| 13:28.03 | antgel | DrShade: oh yeah. put the mount options in quotes. |
| 13:28.08 | csmall | has anyone ever compiled barnyard on debian sarge? |
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| 13:28.28 | dezent | antgel: http://pastebin.ca/19381 |
| 13:28.28 | dubski | antgel: but if gnome works with kernel 2.4 and 2.6(running as root) wouldn't that mean metacity (or whatever WM its expecting) would be installed? |
| 13:28.49 | silverbb | well, I got what I wanted from experimental.. now to duck and run from potential problems. ;-) |
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| 13:29.01 | jm_ | DrShade: should be -o ro,uid=1000,gid=1000 - no space |
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| 13:29.18 | antgel | dubski: root may have different preferences for the WM. the only thing that shows whether metacity is installed is dpkg -l metacity |
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| 13:29.38 | antgel | DrShade: listen to jm_ not me :) |
| 13:29.48 | jm_ | dubski: tried renaming ~/.gnome as user? |
| 13:29.49 | DrShade | Thank you again jm_ - and your help also antgel :) |
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| 13:30.06 | dezent | antgel: never seen this error before |
| 13:30.14 | antgel | dubski: do you have any .x*files in your homedir? |
| 13:30.25 | zimnyx | when i execute "lp -d deskjet_712c -o PageSize=A4 /etc/motd" i get output "request id is deskjet_712c-4 (1 file(s))" but nothing is printed. i dunno how to find out why. is there any debug mode? |
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| 13:30.35 | DrShade | jm_, worked :) |
| 13:30.39 | zimnyx | lpq returns null list |
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| 13:30.49 | Cornadio | darn I have tried everything php is screwed on this debian box without reformatting it so I have to install it manually :( without using apt-get |
| 13:30.58 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 13:31.01 | abrotman | why is it scrweed up ? |
| 13:31.09 | antgel | dezent: what version of debian? |
| 13:31.13 | incorrect | other than cyrus imapd, is there another imap/pop3 server that does not require local user accounts? |
| 13:31.16 | dezent | antgel: debian sarge |
| 13:31.28 | abrotman | incorrect: i think courier can use mysql |
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| 13:31.51 | dubski | antgel: .xsession-errors , .xmms and .xchat2 |
| 13:31.57 | abrotman | incorrect: and pgsql |
| 13:31.59 | dezent | antgel: cat /etc/debian_version says 3.1 |
| 13:32.27 | antgel | dezent: it wants to install 0.17-7 and it can't. try deleting /var/cache/apt/archives/finger_0.17-7_i386.deb then try again |
| 13:32.28 | incorrect | are there any docs on upgrading from woody to sarge? |
| 13:32.41 | incorrect | pit falls etc? |
| 13:32.49 | abrotman | !tell incorrect about woody->sarge |
| 13:32.50 | greycat | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 13:32.54 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 13:32.57 | mwilson | incorrect: Other than the ones that specifically come with Sarge? |
| 13:32.58 | dezent | antgel: i tried that |
| 13:33.09 | antgel | dezent: what message you get then? |
| 13:33.11 | eXistenZ | Does anyone know where can I find a printer driver for my HP Deskjet 710C printer? |
| 13:33.18 | dezent | antgel: this |
| 13:33.26 | blvszcz | hello, anyone got situation with mega counts of CLOSE_WAIT? |
| 13:33.35 | dezent | antgel: it downloads this version and tries to install over and over |
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| 13:33.45 | dubski | antgel: can paste .xsession-errors into #flood ?? |
| 13:34.18 | antgel | dubski: go for it |
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| 13:35.26 | antgel | dubski: it says startkde. you want gnome. what about .X* files in your home directory? |
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| 13:35.45 | usernameDeb01 | any clues on resolving why, twin laptops on sarge, are different in that one sees nfs shares simply.. and one not please?.. |
| 13:36.11 | mrduck | FallOnMe: but shouldn't i be able to run sshd normally again after reboot? |
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| 13:36.28 | antgel | dezent: hmm. odd. have you tried dpkg as opposed to apt-get? |
| 13:36.34 | dezent | antgel: yes |
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| 13:36.52 | antgel | usernameDeb01: firewall, some other configuration. |
| 13:37.14 | antgel | dezent: what error when you try to remove? |
| 13:37.32 | dezent | antgel: its the same error |
| 13:37.48 | antgel | dezent: pastbin please |
| 13:37.52 | dezent | sure |
| 13:37.55 | FallOnMe | mrduck: yes. The thing probably shouldn't even killoff the daemon itself, just your current session. |
| 13:38.13 | dubski | antgel: only .Xauthority |
| 13:38.15 | usernameDeb01 | antgel makes sense till one notes these i twin laptops.. both identical sarge installs.. neither has had any firewall or ?? configs touched/altered?.. yet one works immediately after sarge install, after mounting share of course.. and one doesnt? |
| 13:38.22 | usernameDeb01 | these i/are |
| 13:38.34 | dezent | antgel: http://pastebin.ca/19383 |
| 13:38.39 | antgel | usernameDeb01: something isn't identical, obviously |
| 13:38.46 | incorrect | dpkg-statoverride, is not in woody? |
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| 13:39.02 | FallOnMe | mrduck: but then again, I have no experience in vservers, so what I think about how it should work is not much |
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| 13:39.17 | antgel | dezent: that's _not_ using dpkg, that's using apt-get still. i said what about using dpkg? |
| 13:39.39 | jm_ | incorrect: go and check |
| 13:39.50 | dezent | antgel: aah i thought it was a qustion if i tried dpkg |
| 13:39.52 | dezent | 2 sec |
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| 13:40.18 | usernameDeb01 | antgel ideed.. where to start discerning diff tween the two is the ? ;].. ive check resolve.conf.. ive reviewed, based on my child level networking abilities ;], all network configs.. all seem identical? |
| 13:40.29 | ixion | I dont have a /etc/resolv.conf - clean intall, what did I do wrong? |
| 13:40.38 | mrduck | FallOnMe: k thx.. gonna try and contact the admion tonight |
| 13:40.50 | dezent | antgel: http://pastebin.ca/19384 |
| 13:41.08 | antgel | dubski: output of update-alternatives --display x-window-manager? |
| 13:41.46 | antgel | dezent: in /var/cache/apt/archives, do you still have the previous version of finger? |
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| 13:42.12 | dezent | antgel: no just thisone |
| 13:42.18 | zimnyx | My accesspoint is broken, did someone respond to my question about printing? |
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| 13:42.29 | dubski | antgel: bash: update-alternatives: command not found |
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| 13:42.57 | antgel | dubski: as root |
| 13:43.04 | undesktop | why the heck is the packet libcairo0.5.1 from unstable only provided for amd64? |
| 13:43.19 | greycat | because amd64 0wnz j00? |
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| 13:43.59 | antgel | dezent: i tried on a sarge box here, works fine. perhaps your .deb is corrupt. md5sum? |
| 13:44.04 | dubski | ok |
| 13:44.12 | undesktop | and why does the packet libpango1.0-0 version 1.9 depend on libcairo0.5.1 instead on the newer libcairo0.6.0 from unstable? |
| 13:44.19 | greycat | !why |
| 13:44.20 | dpkg | Because! |
| 13:44.23 | FallOnMe | undesktop: well it's unstable, innit? |
| 13:44.25 | antgel | dezent: f7b301f51dc162ca06d186e2d83e79d0 here |
| 13:44.42 | dezent | antgel: f7b301f51dc162ca06d186e2d83e79d0 |
| 13:44.47 | dubski | antgel: sorry i'll do that again |
| 13:44.52 | undesktop | everytime I ask for a problem I get the answer "it's unstable" |
| 13:44.56 | dezent | antgel: seems like its ok |
| 13:45.07 | antgel | undesktop: does that tell you anything? |
| 13:45.30 | antgel | dezent: indeed. what about trying to _install_ it with dpkg? |
| 13:45.31 | undesktop | it does tell me... oh wait... ah! it's unstable! |
| 13:45.35 | FallOnMe | undesktop: yeah, I usually go and vent by running "reportbug" times like that. |
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| 13:45.50 | dezent | antgel: tried it befonre.. pastbin the result.. 2 sec |
| 13:46.14 | undesktop | I guess I'll unpack the packages, modify the dependencies, and install these packages (like in the old times) |
| 13:46.19 | eXistenZ | which is better, the cups or lprng? |
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| 13:46.28 | usernameDeb01 | hmmm.. someone mentioned ''' qlogin ''' for auto login.. synaptic not finding it?.. any clues |
| 13:46.28 | ixion | !search libX11.so.6 |
| 13:46.36 | vivek | how do i set my locale to British ? |
| 13:46.36 | ixion | !debsearch libX11.so.6 |
| 13:46.40 | dezent | antgel: http://pastebin.ca/19385 |
| 13:46.42 | ixion | hmm, anyone know the command |
| 13:46.44 | greycat | eXistenZ: I doubt anything could be much worse than lprng. Except for the BSD lpr that it's based on. |
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| 13:46.51 | vivek | i cant seem to find /etc/locales.gen |
| 13:46.55 | Laney | What does it mean when my box just hangs saying "LI" at boot? |
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| 13:47.18 | greycat | vivek: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:47.29 | eXistenZ | greycat: so you prefer cups |
| 13:47.33 | undesktop | Laney: that you've better used GRUB |
| 13:47.36 | usernameDeb01 | lol |
| 13:47.41 | undesktop | hey, I like this kind if replying |
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| 13:47.53 | vivek | greycat: i have put in en_GB with dpkg-reconfigure locales .. |
| 13:47.56 | Sclewin | Are there any repositories to use Synaptic to get updated files? |
| 13:47.56 | Laney | more importantly, what can i do about it |
| 13:47.57 | antgel | dezent: okay, i can now see properly - the problem is with the old version 0.17-6. the pre-removal script returned an error. |
| 13:48.04 | vivek | do i need to logout and login again ? |
| 13:48.13 | greycat | vivek: yes. |
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| 13:48.25 | undesktop | Laney: you could boot your system from the Debian CDs, and then run lilo |
| 13:48.28 | FallOnMe | undesktop: It's kind of satisfying in a I-can't-be-bothered sanse, isn't it? |
| 13:48.30 | dezent | antgel: is there anything i could do to fix it ? |
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| 13:48.37 | Sclewin | Where can I get a list of the repositories? |
| 13:48.45 | greycat | Sclewin: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 13:48.50 | Sclewin | thanks |
| 13:48.53 | greycat | Sclewin: ubt you PROBABLY want to just run apt-setup instead |
| 13:49.06 | Sclewin | just type apt-setup in the terminal? |
| 13:49.14 | ixion | try it and find out |
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| 13:49.51 | antgel | dezent: you could try getting hold of the old package version and (re)installing _that_ with dpkg. |
| 13:49.51 | ixion | !atheros |
| 13:50.00 | ixion | !madwifi |
| 13:50.00 | dpkg | methinks madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 13:50.01 | dezent | antgel: ok ill try |
| 13:50.43 | ixion | !sid |
| 13:50.43 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 13:52.06 | cappiz | i did a make install from a source.. how can i deinstall it? |
| 13:52.18 | REyM] | anyone by chance know what I should install so that perl knows the element pcdata? |
| 13:52.29 | flosch | hi |
| 13:52.46 | undesktop | make uninstall |
| 13:52.51 | undesktop | or the good old rm -rf |
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| 13:52.54 | greycat | there's a new element called pcdata? damn, mine only goes up to uranium. |
| 13:53.01 | REyM] | :P |
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| 13:53.06 | usernameDeb01 | any clues on resolving why, twin laptops on sarge, are different in that one sees nfs shares simply.. and one not please?.. thanks mates.. |
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| 13:53.36 | dubski | antgel: pasted into #flood |
| 13:53.42 | antgel | usernameDeb01: why not post specifics, not "sees shares". |
| 13:53.53 | FallOnMe | usernameDeb01: uhh... how "Twin" are they? Do they have the same IP address? |
| 13:54.01 | undesktop | so, how do I prevent updating of a packet by apt-get again? |
| 13:54.02 | greycat | same packages? same config files? |
| 13:54.05 | dezent | antgel: thank you very very much !! it works now =) thanks !!! |
| 13:54.10 | greycat | undesktop: /msg dpkg hold |
| 13:54.13 | Sclewin | How do I do apt-setup, I tried to run the command and it did not work |
| 13:54.20 | greycat | Sclewin: as root. |
| 13:54.21 | undesktop | thx |
| 13:54.29 | antgel | dezent: np. where did you get the file from? |
| 13:54.32 | Sclewin | oh, thanks |
| 13:54.42 | dezent | antgel: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bsd-finger/finger_0.17-6_i386.deb |
| 13:54.49 | Cornadio | Hey Everyone, After trying to uninstall php so i can install a fresh installation recieving this error any ideas? Please Help? |
| 13:54.49 | Cornadio | Error: 500mod_php4.info does not have a valid LoadModule entry. |
| 13:54.49 | Cornadio | The above errors might cause apache to not work properly or start |
| 13:54.49 | Cornadio | Please refer to the documentation on how to fix it or report it to |
| 13:54.49 | Cornadio | Debian Apache Mailing List <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> if in doubt |
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| 13:54.51 | dezent | antgel: old-stable |
| 13:54.54 | antgel | dezent: nice :) |
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| 13:55.01 | dezent | yes =) |
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| 13:55.13 | dezent | antgel: again, thanks ! |
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| 13:55.27 | Cornadio | oops lol |
| 13:55.40 | antgel | usernameDeb01: is normal network connectivity ok on both machines? |
| 13:56.07 | usernameDeb01 | FallOnMe nada.. |
| 13:56.07 | afaict | Hey folks. Is it right ?? model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ and cpu MHz : 1802.792 |
| 13:56.09 | antgel | dubski: that log you pasted mentioned gdm. thought you were starting x with startx now |
| 13:56.09 | Laney | Ah fuck, I think the HDD has had it |
| 13:56.31 | greycat | afaict: nope, it sucks. I think you'd better send it to me for safe disposal. |
| 13:56.53 | Cornadio | Well if anyone can help me with the php issue message me and I will post the error message one by one :) |
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| 13:57.00 | afaict | greycat, for safe disposal ? |
| 13:57.06 | antgel | !tell Cornadio about ask |
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| 13:57.18 | FallOnMe | afaict: hey, how much L2 cache does that CPU have? |
| 13:57.20 | usernameDeb01 | antgel thanks... yes.. all seems well till i attempt to access the nfs share from this laptop.. its twin sees/accesses share effortlessly.. |
| 13:57.22 | antgel | !tell Cornadio about flood |
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| 13:57.30 | g0vner_ | hi how do i install xcfe4 using agt-get ;p |
| 13:57.38 | afaict | FallOnMe, 512k |
| 13:57.51 | antgel | usernameDeb01: ffs. what do you mean sees a share? how are you telling them where to "look"? (eww) |
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| 13:57.53 | Eclipser | `apt-get install xfce4` doesn't work? |
| 13:57.54 | Sclewin | Thank you very much, that worked perfectly |
| 13:57.56 | Eclipser | I'd recommend aptitude though |
| 13:57.59 | dubski | antgel: i'm in KDE now because i wanted to use xchat for irc |
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| 13:58.07 | undesktop | greycat: even though the packages are on hold, apt-get -f install wants to change them |
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| 13:58.13 | g0vner_ | it works but none happens later on.. |
| 13:58.16 | antgel | dubski: you don't need any of that shit kde or gnome for xchat |
| 13:58.22 | alif | hey, users are complaining of slowness when accessing a debian box off the network; ethtool reports RX/TX is set to "off" , does this need to be on? would it help performance/ |
| 13:58.24 | Akbar | lol |
| 13:58.29 | greycat | undesktop: then you busted something, and apt-get -f is trying to fix it. |
| 13:58.40 | greycat | undesktop: if you have a better fix than what apt-get comes up with, do it. |
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| 13:58.52 | dubski | antgel: i know that but i don't have copy paste function in console |
| 13:58.54 | g0vner_ | Eclipser: it works but none happens later on.. |
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| 13:58.59 | antgel | dubski: and, pray, how did you get kde to start? i thought you want gnome |
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| 13:59.06 | Eclipser | g0vner_, what do you mean |
| 13:59.15 | bartden | any suggestion for a good kde dvd / divx / xvid player ?? |
| 13:59.15 | Nod51 | Has x.org worked good for anyone here yet? Last time I installed it it started using more and more CPU power the longer my computer was on. |
| 13:59.26 | g0vner_ | i did that but it just dled the file |
| 13:59.26 | anhi | where does debian store the supported filetypes for a tool ? (e.g. on bash xine <tab> cycles all the media files) |
| 13:59.35 | antgel | Nod51: it's just as dull as xfree here |
| 13:59.36 | dubski | antgel: yeah i do want gnome... but kde starts fine via the gdm |
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| 13:59.43 | greycat | root 504 0.2 5.2 178324 27140 ? S< Jul26 37:28 /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 13:59.45 | FallOnMe | Nod51: works ok here. |
| 13:59.51 | g0vner_ | Eclipser: i did that but it just dled the files didnt make it work when i start my box |
| 14:00.01 | afaict | FallOnMe, is that correct ? mhz ? |
| 14:00.07 | Nod51 | thanks antgel and FallOnMe |
| 14:00.07 | Akbar | yes |
| 14:00.11 | Eclipser | g0vner_, you have some other wm installed? |
| 14:00.14 | greycat | afaict: did you check AMD's documentation? web site? |
| 14:00.19 | usernameDeb01 | antgel open to better terminology mate.. sees as in open nautilus.. go to computer, goto networks, access domain where share resides [my main workstation on my linksys + 4port hub network], it can 'see' the nfs exported folder by name.. but cannot load the contents? |
| 14:00.22 | afaict | greycat, i will now |
| 14:00.27 | antgel | dubski: ok. so if i ask you of a log when you type startx from a console, and you provide the log of starting x via gdm, what am i gonna do? |
| 14:00.27 | g0vner_ | Eclipser what's wm |
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| 14:00.37 | Eclipser | g0vner_, window manager, like xfce4, fluxbox, etc |
| 14:00.49 | g0vner_ | Eclipser : no none |
| 14:00.56 | Akbar | afaict.. amd 3000+ means it compares that 1800 mhz or something to a pentium 3ghz |
| 14:00.58 | g0vner_ | Eclipser : used sarge to install debian |
| 14:01.04 | FallOnMe | afaict: probably. The "3000+" is an estimate of how fast a P4 can you compare it to. |
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| 14:01.21 | Eclipser | g0vner_, so startx just starts a greyish screen and nothing happens? |
| 14:01.27 | antgel | usernameDeb01: that's what you get for using all that "user-friendly" crap like nautilus. :) are you logged in as a user that doesn't have permission to view? |
| 14:01.46 | arvid | hello guys. could somebody answer my question why gdm does not want to write on my vfat /home partition ? It says that its not allowed. even if i mount it rw |
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| 14:01.58 | usernameDeb01 | nfs share is configured antgel, as any/all.. not restricted perms here ;] |
| 14:02.00 | dubski | antgel: i know i see your point but if i type startx from console i get nothing unless i'm root...errr i'm getting a headache sorry to be a pain |
| 14:02.06 | greycat | uh. why would gdm try to write...? |
| 14:02.09 | g0vner_ | Eclipser : well could have i done apt-get wrong ? like "apt-get xfce4" without the install |
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| 14:02.15 | antgel | Akatemik: nope, 3000+ is just a marketing term. might as well be 30000000 |
| 14:02.17 | g0vner_ | Eclipser : so it didnt install it:? |
| 14:02.20 | greycat | g0vner_: try again and find out. |
| 14:02.35 | arvid | to make my /home/user/desktop |
| 14:02.36 | usernameDeb01 | antgel ive had many tmp towers n laptops on this network.. all have seen share after mounting it.. sans this one laptop? |
| 14:02.42 | antgel | dubski: if you type startx and get _nothing_, then that's a problem. you mean _nothing at all_? |
| 14:02.50 | g0vner_ | Eclipser : so just to make sure it's " apt-get install xfce4" right? |
| 14:02.52 | paster | "Cornadio" at 213.48.80.141 pasted "I Have a Problem With apt-get remove with PHP on Debian Sarge" (13 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/450 |
| 14:03.01 | Eclipser | g0vner_, try typing "xfce" and press tab in the console to see if there's anything xfce related installed :) |
| 14:03.24 | FallOnMe | usernameDeb01: so, what you're saying is "showmount -e server" doesn't show anything? |
| 14:03.24 | dubski | antgel: no not nothing.. i get the grey screen with and X as a mouse cursor and nothing else |
| 14:03.25 | darkskiez | apt-get remove '*xfce* |
| 14:03.28 | darkskiez | :) |
| 14:03.30 | antgel | usernameDeb01: i can't help you with your rubbish gui tools. do you mount this share at boot or does the gui tool do it on the fly? |
| 14:03.33 | g0vner_ | Eclipser i allready formated the comp and installed the barebone again |
| 14:03.40 | g0vner_ | ;P |
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| 14:03.47 | october | upgrading from stable to unstable? I did: s/stable/ustable/g in my sources.list, but... that didn't seem to work. Where can I get a good sources.llist from? |
| 14:03.50 | FallOnMe | usernameDeb01: assuming it's an nfs share. |
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| 14:04.06 | october | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.11 | arvid | it mounts at boottime |
| 14:04.12 | bhearsum | using the sarge installer, how do i choose to install the base system over the network, rather than from the cd? |
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| 14:04.29 | usernameDeb01 | antgel i manually mount it via mount -t nfs blah blah when needed.. no auto shares here since laptops are tmp before ebay sale.. |
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| 14:04.55 | usernameDeb01 | FallOnMe never knew 'showmount' cli mate.. thanks.. checking now.. |
| 14:05.27 | Eclipser | g0vner_, type "xfce" and press tab in console |
| 14:05.35 | antgel | dubski: okay, try echo "exec gnome" > ~/.xsession (not as root), then try startx |
| 14:05.53 | greycat | antgel: isn't it supposed to be gnome-session ? |
| 14:06.07 | antgel | dubski: i haven't used this stuff for a while, but that used to be the way. are you _sure_ you want gnome? :) |
| 14:06.12 | antgel | greycat: ^^^ |
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| 14:06.41 | greycat | aZLOzello: English. |
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| 14:06.58 | aZLOzello | help pentanet |
| 14:07.03 | usernameDeb01 | FallOnMe antgel is this mount syntax correct for sarge?.. works on the one laptop?.. just not this one? |
| 14:07.12 | usernameDeb01 | FallOnMe antgel 'mount -t tmpfs 192.168.1.100:/shareNFS /mnt/shareNFS/' |
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| 14:07.20 | antgel | usernameDeb01: what's the output of mount? |
| 14:07.21 | dubski | antgel: i'll give it a go. hmmm u think stick with KDE? first impressions of gnome had a better feel to it. |
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| 14:07.32 | antgel | dubski: i think use neither. bloatware |
| 14:07.36 | FallOnMe | usernameDeb01: ... you meant s/tmpfs/nfs/, right? |
| 14:07.55 | greycat | usernameDeb01: normally you would NOT specify a file system type on an NFS mount. |
| 14:08.15 | dubski | antgel: but i'm comming from windows so i need "some" shiny stuff hehe |
| 14:08.31 | antgel | dubski: i used to use both, on solaris, back in the day. built them myself. then realised that i never used the programs that they provide. |
| 14:08.40 | greycat | dubski: mount a strobe light on top of the monitor |
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| 14:08.47 | antgel | dubski: shiny yes, bloated no |
| 14:08.59 | antgel | dubski: actually, coming from windows, you might need bloated. |
| 14:09.03 | dubski | antgel: ahh flash backs eek. |
| 14:09.09 | antgel | !tell dubski about window managers |
| 14:09.13 | usernameDeb01 | rofl.. greycat hmm.. weird how it works on one laptop on that syntax.. not its twin.. thanks for feedback guv |
| 14:09.14 | antgel | !tell dubski about window manager |
| 14:09.14 | greycat | KDE should be a better migration for Windows users |
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| 14:09.27 | Akbar | well gnome-panels are nice :) |
| 14:09.33 | REyM] | I am trying to use a xmltv grabber but it fails with the error unknown element #PCDATA and sometimes with the error no element display-name. anyone knows how to sove this? |
| 14:09.35 | usernameDeb01 | antgel on #flood in seconds mate.. output of mount.. thanks |
| 14:09.41 | Akbar | you could just install gnome-core |
| 14:09.43 | antgel | usernameDeb01: maybe you're typing something else |
| 14:09.49 | FallOnMe | Enlightenment used to be shiny and bloat, nowadays it's referred to as a "lightweight" wm. |
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| 14:09.51 | greycat | I tried using a gnome-panel with fvwm for a while. Then GNOME 2 happened. That panel went VERY FAR away, very fast. |
| 14:09.57 | afaict | FallOnMe and Akbar I cant compare P4 3.20GHz with AMD 3000+ 64bits. Intel P4 3.20GHz has bigger cpu MHz, L2 and so bogomips. |
| 14:10.08 | greycat | Stupid gnome maintainers just blew off my bug report too. |
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| 14:10.27 | FallOnMe | afaict: tell that to AMD marketing dept... |
| 14:10.31 | aZLOzello | help pentanet modules |
| 14:10.39 | antgel | usernameDeb01: look at the output. you've mounted it as tmpfs |
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| 14:10.48 | afaict | FallOnMe, ;~~~ i always believe AMD. ;D |
| 14:10.48 | FallOnMe | afaict: skip the bogomips part ;-) |
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| 14:10.57 | afaict | FallOnMe, lol |
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| 14:11.08 | dubski | antgel: i'll try this last thing and then i'll stick with KDE. once i'm comfy with everything i'll look into other WMs |
| 14:11.23 | usernameDeb02 | antgel, this is its twin.. and output same here.. this one can access the nfs share all day no probsa? |
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| 14:11.41 | dubski | antgel: thanks for all your help. now where did i put that strobe light? |
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| 14:11.43 | antgel | usernameDeb01: post mount output from the other one. |
| 14:11.58 | eXistenZ | how can I change the password for cups |
| 14:12.13 | Akbar | afaict.. amd rocks :) |
| 14:12.16 | antgel | dubski: np. don't know if it will work in gdm. you need to tell gdm the right thing, somehow |
| 14:12.28 | afaict | Akbar, ;~ |
| 14:12.32 | greycat | ~/.gnomerc |
| 14:12.32 | apt | ~/.gnomerc is the startup file for gdm, or <hippie> .gnomerc looks like it's pronounced "no mercy", or set the DEBUG_GNOME_SESSION variable to make ~/.gnomerc act sane |
| 14:12.38 | usernameDeb02 | k antgel .. #flood of this twin's mount output.l. thanks |
| 14:12.41 | antgel | dubski: chuck a shrimp on the barbie for me, then crack open a tinny |
| 14:12.49 | dubski | antgel: yeah mate! |
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| 14:13.18 | E0x | hello |
| 14:13.19 | antgel | dubski: then use the dunny. jesus mate, who cut the dog in half? |
| 14:13.21 | usernameDeb01 | antgel u and another here mentioned ref to 'tmpfs' what is better syntax please? |
| 14:13.31 | E0x | apt-get dont have any log file ? |
| 14:13.32 | afaict | Akbar, FallOnMe I was comparing my notebook cpuinfo with AMD 3000+ 64 .. its the same clock, L2 and bogomips... my notebook is AMD Athlon XP 2400+ |
| 14:13.35 | greycat | usernameDeb01: mount host:/thing /otherthing |
| 14:13.38 | greycat | usernameDeb01: no -t shit. |
| 14:13.41 | Akbar | and I think amd64 is better than intels 64 bits |
| 14:13.44 | antgel | usernameDeb01: the other one doesn't even mention that nfs mount. so it's not the same |
| 14:13.55 | dubski | antgel: the hotdog? ok .. i'm outta here. cheers cobber. |
| 14:13.55 | FallOnMe | usernameDeb01: just mount host:/path/to/share /mount/point |
| 14:14.17 | antgel | usernameDeb01: umount the fucked one |
| 14:14.27 | usernameDeb01 | aha.. appreciate that greycat .. totally guru / veteran dependent for command line syntax.. so someone told me that syntax.. |
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| 14:14.41 | Akbar | afaict sometimes newer cpu's run slower than old ones |
| 14:14.45 | antgel | !tell usernameDeb01 about man |
| 14:14.49 | usernameDeb01 | thanks thanks FallOnMe antgel greycat .. for the clarity mates.. |
| 14:14.55 | greycat | Akbar: been buying pentium IVs I see. |
| 14:14.56 | cahoot | eXistenZ: not sure you can do that specifically for cups - read cupsd.conf |
| 14:15.18 | eXistenZ | cahoot: I didn't set a pass yet, and it asks for a pass ;/ |
| 14:15.26 | antgel | usernameDeb01: btw, it seems to work with nautilus without being mounted at all. i'm sure you can get to the bottom of it. |
| 14:15.30 | FallOnMe | eXistenZ: use root/rootpass |
| 14:15.48 | afaict | Akbar, how could I compare... |
| 14:15.55 | cahoot | eXistenZ: or add user to lpadmin |
| 14:16.12 | Akbar | afaict between amd64 and amdxp? |
| 14:16.19 | Akbar | or between amd and intels? |
| 14:16.31 | afaict | Akbar, yeap |
| 14:16.35 | usernameDeb01 | antgel man pages have never ever helped me more than bout 3x in 3 yrs since migration to linux.. man pages just confuse here.. written by geeks for geeks.. not laymen in mind at all.. ;].. and i did read man pages way b4 asking here fwiw.. no positive outcome here 4sure lol |
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| 14:17.23 | antgel | usernameDeb01: if you _read_ the man page, you would know that tmpfs is not appropriate for nfs. don't blame the man. |
| 14:17.24 | Akbar | that 3000+ means it has the performance of a intel.. it runs slower but got the performance of a pentium 3ghz .. now with amd64 it's just a 64 bits cpu.. different architecture |
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| 14:18.07 | usernameDeb01 | thanks muchly for 'bean' here .. im off to drop ' -t shit ' lol.. |
| 14:18.09 | sclewin | I can't seem to get a higher resolution than 800x600, I can't seem to figure it out |
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| 14:18.33 | antgel | sclewin: what video driver you using? |
| 14:18.36 | karl_ | Can anyone help cdparanoia rips a track but when I try to listen it - no sound |
| 14:18.42 | usernameDeb01 | antgel lol.. fair enough guv.. thanks for the warm hands chum.. ciao 4 now.. ;] |
| 14:18.52 | sclewin | I have a Radeon 9550 and I tried installing the new ATI driver and I am pritty sure I did |
| 14:18.56 | FallOnMe | usernameDeb01: you survived for three years without the man pages?? |
| 14:19.01 | snail | karl_: do you have sound at all? |
| 14:19.12 | sclewin | I have not checked yet, I just installe dEbian |
| 14:19.18 | antgel | karl_: i remember this being a ripping bug in unstable way back |
| 14:19.18 | Akbar | I read somewhere that intels 64 bits cpu actually is slower than the amd64.. |
| 14:19.22 | antgel | sclewin: well check then |
| 14:19.32 | sclewin | will do |
| 14:19.33 | greycat | karl_: what kernel? |
| 14:19.43 | karl_ | 2.6.8 |
| 14:19.44 | antgel | karl_: but snail's advice is sound <drumroll> |
| 14:19.51 | E0x | apt-get dont have any log file ? |
| 14:19.55 | karl_ | I have sound |
| 14:19.59 | antgel | E0x: no. aptitude does |
| 14:20.00 | kaharas | hi guys, i've a problem: yesterday i typed this command: apt-get remove python2.3 and now alla dependences are get crazy... my debian doesn't resolve them anymore... i've tried to reinstall the package, but i've found no solution.... when i give apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome this is the response: gnome: Dipende: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.10.1.1) ma non sta per essere installato ... plz help me! |
| 14:20.28 | antgel | karl_: any funny messages in syslog when it stopped ripping? regarding dma etc |
| 14:20.32 | Akbar | scarynetworkguy.. try glxinfo |
| 14:20.36 | omry_ | how do I check which package a certain file belongs to? |
| 14:20.36 | FallOnMe | kaharas: "apt-get -f install", for start |
| 14:20.36 | greycat | karl_: might be a bug in 2.6.8 for all I know. Have you tried it with any other kernels yet? (2.6.8 had some *notorious* problems with respect to CD-ROMs.) |
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| 14:20.50 | greycat | !wikifaq omry_ PackageManagement |
| 14:20.52 | dpkg | omry_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:20.53 | E0x | thx antgel |
| 14:21.22 | FallOnMe | !tell me about wikifaq |
| 14:21.22 | omry_ | greycat, thanks. |
| 14:21.39 | greycat | FallOnMe: it takes two parameters |
| 14:21.43 | sclewin | No, I don't think I have sound |
| 14:22.13 | antgel | sclewin: noone asked you about sound |
| 14:22.18 | kaharas | FallonMe i've yet done it... no solution... |
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| 14:22.28 | CVirus | how to mount an ISO ? |
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| 14:22.32 | sclewin | Sorry |
| 14:23.00 | antgel | sclewin: i don't care, just de-confusing you :) |
| 14:23.05 | antgel | CVirus: mount |
| 14:23.14 | FallOnMe | kaharas: well then, that's unstable for you. you could try apt-get update; apt-get -f install just for fun, it will probably get fixed sooner or later |
| 14:23.51 | FallOnMe | greycat: how can I get the list of wikifaq entries? |
| 14:24.00 | sclewin | Thanks |
| 14:24.04 | greycat | FallOnMe: it's just a text macro |
| 14:24.05 | kaharas | FallOnMe... so my only hope is waiting o_O ? |
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| 14:24.11 | greycat | !literal CMD: wikifaq (.*?) (.*?) |
| 14:24.11 | dpkg | CMD: wikifaq (.*?) (.*?) is ($1,$2): <reply> $1: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/$2 or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:24.35 | scarynetworkguy | Akbar: I don't run the OS that you are thinking of as a desktop anymore, I've never ran a ATI, and that's almost certainly not his problem. :P |
| 14:24.35 | sclewin | Is thre a list of devices somewhere in KDE or Gnome like thre is on PCLinuxOS? |
| 14:24.55 | FallOnMe | kaharas: you could try and download the required packages by hand and install them with dpkg. |
| 14:25.16 | Rawplayer | sclewin: dmesg lspci |
| 14:25.28 | CVirus | antgel: arguments :) ? |
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| 14:25.43 | Spartak | hi, which protocol should i open for DNS if im running my own dns server only the tcp or the udp as well? |
| 14:25.47 | antgel | CVirus: man mount :) |
| 14:25.50 | antgel | CVirus: sorry |
| 14:25.53 | CVirus | :S |
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| 14:25.56 | greycat | Spartak: both. |
| 14:25.58 | CVirus | thnaks anywayz |
| 14:26.02 | antgel | CVirus: i thought you meant a CD, you need loop |
| 14:26.03 | kaharas | ty then... bye |
| 14:26.06 | FallOnMe | greycat: oh. Thought it was something smarter. Thanks |
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| 14:26.38 | Spartak | greycat: so what is udp used for and what is tcp used for ? |
| 14:26.47 | Yokaloshi | windows bootloader took over grub... how do i reinstall grub from the debian netinst disk? |
| 14:26.47 | antgel | CVirus: e.g. mount -t loop wank.iso (note i haven't done this in a long time) |
| 14:26.50 | greycat | Spartak: ask #dns or get a book |
| 14:26.54 | guevolt | oohh God!! what a fuck is that? http://www.smartlinks.com.br/error.html . Kernel bug! |
| 14:27.05 | Spartak | greycat: ok thx! |
| 14:27.09 | stew | Spartak: udp for queries tcp for control afaik |
| 14:27.12 | greycat | guevolt: yup. |
| 14:27.20 | greycat | welcome to linux. |
| 14:27.29 | guevolt | greycat: hehe. |
| 14:27.48 | guevolt | greycat: how i fix this bug? |
| 14:27.50 | afaict | ciano |
| 14:27.57 | greycat | guevolt: how would I know? |
| 14:28.36 | guevolt | greycat: good question |
| 14:28.37 | guevolt | hehe |
| 14:28.41 | eXistenZ | cahoot |
| 14:28.47 | eXistenZ | cahoot: Do you use kde or gnome |
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| 14:29.15 | guevolt | greycat: don't have idea? |
| 14:29.18 | cahoot | eXistenZ: parts of kde |
| 14:29.24 | greycat | guevolt: try a different kernel |
| 14:29.40 | adsadsad | how can i view special files? |
| 14:29.42 | greycat | preferably one without "-pre" or "-mm" or "-rc" or "2.6" in it. |
| 14:29.51 | adsadsad | the same data i input with mknod |
| 14:29.57 | greycat | adsadsad: ls -l |
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| 14:30.10 | adsadsad | i don't see major and minor |
| 14:30.15 | adsadsad | with ls |
| 14:30.16 | greycat | adsadsad: look harder. |
| 14:30.21 | adsadsad | ok |
| 14:30.22 | greycat | crw-rw-rw- 1 bin bin 3 0x000002 Aug 5 10:02 /dev/null |
| 14:30.26 | greycat | non-linux example. |
| 14:30.36 | greycat | major == 3, minor == 0x000002 |
| 14:30.38 | Yokaloshi | j/ #grub |
| 14:30.42 | eXistenZ | cahoot: kde is quite heavy for the pc, even more than xp |
| 14:30.44 | Yokaloshi | oopsie |
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| 14:30.52 | adsadsad | much thx :) |
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| 14:31.37 | guevolt | greycat: not now. I will wait to see this error again |
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| 14:32.11 | sparr_ | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 14:32.23 | greycat | hmm... it says 2.4.27-2-386 in his log file, too. |
| 14:32.46 | cahoot | eXistenZ: I used to use fluxbox but on my athlonxp-2600 it felt ridiculous |
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| 14:32.54 | sparr_ | how should i install the new nvidia drivers? |
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| 14:33.19 | drac | !tell sparr_ about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:33.25 | sparr_ | aha |
| 14:33.28 | sparr_ | forgot about the space |
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| 14:34.01 | streuner | sparr_: /msg dpkg listkeys, listvals foo |
| 14:34.18 | snail | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:34.18 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 14:34.26 | greycat | unfortunately there will be LOTS of hits on listvals nvidiqa |
| 14:34.31 | greycat | if you take out the typo |
| 14:34.33 | streuner | sparr_: listkeys search topic of the factoids, listvals the contents of all factoids |
| 14:34.46 | streuner | hm |
| 14:35.04 | daffy-pkf | does someone how to do so that the file transfers i receive from msn are not so slow? something with iptable i guess... |
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| 14:35.19 | drac | foomatic-gui is gtk2 based to setup foomatic/cupsys/gimp-print but is there similar software in qt? like for kde? |
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| 14:36.06 | REyM] | I am trying to use a xmltv grabber but it fails with the error unknown element #PCDATA and sometimes with the error no element display-name. anyone knows how to solve this? |
| 14:36.21 | REyM] | maybe a package I need or something? |
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| 14:36.47 | snail | REyM]: is this grabber a debian package? |
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| 14:37.13 | REyM] | no, but there must be a way to get that PCDATA thing working in perl |
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| 14:38.43 | snail | REyM]: sure there is, but this isn't a perl channel nor an XML channel. what I'll tell you for free is that PCDATA is a central part of xml... |
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| 14:38.51 | FallOnMe | REyM]: I'd guess there's a version mismatch somewhere, perhaps you need an exact xmltv version that your program's author uses, and not the one from Debian. |
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| 14:39.24 | diesel | I would like to have my web traffic go through ssh. I have a proxy box that I also have ssh access to. |
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| 14:39.29 | REyM] | snail thanks |
| 14:40.02 | greycat | diesel: it'll still be cleartext from the proxy to the web server |
| 14:40.22 | greycat | so the question is, what are you hiding, from whom? |
| 14:40.56 | diesel | That is an interesting question, isn't it. I just don't like people being able to see what I am doing all the time. |
| 14:41.11 | flok420 | diesel: use the tor network then |
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| 14:41.12 | Rawplayer | who should see that? |
| 14:41.13 | pruonckk | Hi all, i recently get this image of debian (debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso) on debian.org site, so, when i install this on my system (yesterday), i have some broken deps, so, with a wild sarge netinst iso, i dont have this error, somebody have any idea about this ? |
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| 14:41.54 | greycat | diesel: the people who run the web server can see it no matter what. |
| 14:42.09 | FallOnMe | diesel: a sudden increase in ssh traffic might be suspicious too. |
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| 14:42.59 | liable | !qotd103 |
| 14:42.59 | dpkg | somebody said qotd103 was <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 14:43.10 | diesel | FallOnMe, I would be suspicious of a lot of ssh traffic, too |
| 14:43.24 | liable | seems somewhat appropriate.. |
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| 14:43.37 | [timmeh] | checking for yaws... /usr/bin/yaws |
| 14:43.37 | [timmeh] | configure: error: Broken Yaws installation, "/usr/lib/yaws" does not exist! |
| 14:43.46 | [timmeh] | any suggestions on how i can fix this? |
| 14:43.50 | FallOnMe | diesel: well your http-over-ssh tunnel will do just that. ;-) |
| 14:43.55 | [timmeh] | i installed the defult debian package for yaws |
| 14:43.55 | snail | [timmeh]: install yaws? |
| 14:44.19 | greycat | does it have a -dev package? |
| 14:44.22 | [timmeh] | but when i try to install Bluetail Ticket Tracker |
| 14:44.29 | [timmeh] | i get that error |
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| 14:44.41 | [timmeh] | -dev package? i did apt-get install yaws |
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| 14:44.55 | snail | [timmeh]: do apt-get install yaws-dev |
| 14:45.21 | greycat | or "apt-cache search yaws dev" |
| 14:45.38 | [timmeh] | only yaws exists |
| 14:45.45 | greycat | I don't even have that. |
| 14:45.45 | [timmeh] | just the one pakage |
| 14:45.51 | [timmeh] | im using debian sarge |
| 14:45.51 | greycat | must not exist in sarge. |
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| 14:46.00 | greycat | !+info yaws sarge |
| 14:46.01 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 14:46.12 | dpkg | Package 'yaws' does not exist. |
| 14:46.16 | [timmeh] | heh |
| 14:46.22 | Hot-Law_23f | Big hi to all the '9 to 5 ers'... you techies do almost nothing compared to the mangers where you work! |
| 14:46.26 | greycat | care to check your sources once more? |
| 14:46.37 | stew | !find lib/yaws |
| 14:46.38 | greycat | Hot-Law_23f: troll elsewhere. |
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| 14:46.43 | black13 | is i possible to have directory in read only file system linked or mounted to read write file system |
| 14:46.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lib/yaws' (1): (/usr/lib/yaws/priv/setuid_drv.so, /usr/lib/yaws/include/{yaws.hrl|yaws_api.hrl|yaws_dav.hrl}, /usr/lib/yaws/ebin/{.empty|dav.beam|mime_type_c.beam|...}) in web/yaws. |
| 14:46.59 | FallOnMe | greycat: you sure it's not a bot? |
| 14:47.03 | [timmeh] | how can i get my source information? |
| 14:47.13 | greycat | FallOnMe: bot, troll, doesn't matter. if it persists, it's gone. |
| 14:47.22 | xst | After having made a apt-get upgrade on sid, I am having troubles with ghostscript: When viewing a .ps file with gv I get the following errors: "ESP ghostscript 815.00: Error: Font render plugin ( freetype) return code = -1. What to do?" |
| 14:47.24 | greycat | [timmeh]: man sources.list |
| 14:47.59 | greycat | stew: you didn't specify "sarge". |
| 14:48.33 | stew | i was verifying that the yaws package should provide what his configure script is looking for (and there is no need for a -dev package) |
| 14:48.34 | greycat | black13: yes, a symlink would be possible. |
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| 14:49.02 | aktinos | hey, every init script is going to use /lib/lsb/init-functions ? |
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| 14:49.15 | greycat | !pal LSB |
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| 14:49.39 | aktinos | hehe |
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| 14:49.47 | HomerS | hi all |
| 14:49.52 | black13 | greycat my problem is that my /usr directory is readonly and its screwing up xorg |
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| 14:49.59 | HomerS | i have some problem with uml user mode linux |
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| 14:50.05 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: pal (.*?) =~ s/laughs/laughs(| hysterically| uproariously)/ |
| 14:50.05 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 14:50.23 | greycat | black13: 1) file a bug report. 2) fix it. |
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| 14:50.34 | greycat | black13: bonus points if you do #2 first and include the fix in #1. |
| 14:50.36 | tech9iner | any reason why a toughbook laptop doesnt fully power down upon choosing shutdown Please ?.. |
| 14:50.39 | POVaddct | black13: xorg wants to write in /usr? |
| 14:50.52 | FallOnMe | diesel: anyway take a look at -L option for ssh. |
| 14:50.53 | black13 | greycat i need the directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/compiled |
| 14:51.09 | [timmeh] | sorry but in man sources.list where does it show me how to get my distro info? |
| 14:51.12 | black13 | greycat to be wirteable |
| 14:51.13 | tech9iner | flashing cursor beneath "Power down." leaves one forced to manually use kill button? |
| 14:51.17 | tech9iner | thanks |
| 14:51.17 | POVaddct | black13: that one is usually a symlink to /etc/X11/... |
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| 14:51.23 | greycat | black13: include that information in the bug report |
| 14:51.51 | black13 | POVaddct this is derivative of debia |
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| 14:51.57 | greycat | !smite black13 |
| 14:52.05 | greycat | go away or we shall smite thee a second time! |
| 14:52.29 | stew | black13: out of curiosity, which derivative? |
| 14:52.37 | black13 | stew my own |
| 14:52.48 | greycat | so file a bug report with ... you. |
| 14:52.49 | stew | black13: file a bug in your own bug tracking system then |
| 14:52.55 | shingouz | black13: and you come here to ask support on it? |
| 14:52.56 | antgel | rofl greycat |
| 14:53.17 | FallOnMe | black13: why not just make the darn symlink again? |
| 14:53.24 | diesel | FallOnMe, thanks for the suggestion. At this point, I am just trying to see if I can get this working. I will decide later if this is worthwhile. I tried ssh -f -N -L 8080:localhost:3128 diesel@ip.of.proxy. Then I went to the connection settings within firefox and set the socks host as localhost:8080. This does not work...my connections timed out. |
| 14:53.25 | stew | [timmeh]: look in sources.list for any of these words: stable unstable testing sarge woody sid etch |
| 14:53.34 | black13 | FallOnMe yep i think that is the way to go |
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| 14:53.42 | black13 | that was my original question |
| 14:54.02 | POVaddct | black13: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Apr 5 15:31 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb -> /etc/X11/xkb/ |
| 14:54.09 | FallOnMe | diesel: works for me like that (no -f -N though), can you do telnet localhost 3128 on the proxy? |
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| 14:54.37 | Hot-Law_23f | mariah carey rules |
| 14:54.40 | Hot-Law_23f | is she a real blonde |
| 14:54.54 | FallOnMe | kick it, kick it!!!1 ;-) |
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| 14:55.18 | mops | I tried dist-upgrade to unstable, but udev package cannot be upgraded - it need kernel >= 2.6.12. how can I continue upgrade w/o upgrading this package? |
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| 14:55.22 | shingouz | where do those crawl out from in thei first place is beyond me |
| 14:55.23 | FallOnMe | !tell Hot-Law_23f about dpkg |
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| 14:55.40 | diesel | FallOnMe, should your question read telnet localhost 8080 |
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| 14:55.58 | FallOnMe | diesel: no. ssh to proxy, telnet localhost 3128 |
| 14:56.02 | greycat | mops: build a custom 2.6.12 kernel deb |
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| 14:56.27 | greycat | or put udev on hold |
| 14:56.28 | mops | greycat: "custom" = download and compile on your own? |
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| 14:56.39 | mops | how can I put udev on hold please? |
| 14:56.43 | greycat | /msg dpkg hold |
| 14:56.49 | greycat | you SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS ALREADY. |
| 14:56.55 | mops | sorry |
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| 14:57.00 | Rawplayer | capslock |
| 14:57.06 | Rawplayer | sticky shift |
| 14:57.07 | shingouz | mops: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 14:57.07 | Rawplayer | ;p |
| 14:57.09 | greycat | If you DON'T know simple Debian package management tricks, what makes you think you should run "unstable"? |
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| 14:57.44 | diesel | FallOnMe, connection refused...telnet localhost 3128 |
| 14:57.45 | FallOnMe | diesel: your proxy daemon might be bound only to the outside IP, in which case s/localhost/that_ip_address/hostname_which_proxy_listens_on/ |
| 14:58.10 | killer | hi, i'm looking for floppy images for debian, but i can't find them in any mirror ... |
| 14:58.27 | liable | !sarge floppies |
| 14:58.27 | dpkg | well, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
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| 14:58.52 | greycat | killer: they're, like, linked from the d-i page. |
| 14:58.59 | greycat | you can't have looked very hard. |
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| 15:00.03 | killer | thnx |
| 15:00.03 | greycat | !d-i |
| 15:00.03 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
| 15:00.09 | greycat | search for the word "floppy" on that page. |
| 15:00.36 | stew | !sarge floppies |
| 15:00.36 | dpkg | methinks sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 15:00.55 | greycat | or that. |
| 15:01.06 | greycat | but the point is it's *right there* on the bloody page. |
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| 15:01.37 | stew | oh sorry for repeating that factoid, didn't see that it was just given |
| 15:01.39 | diesel | FallOnMe, not quite sure I am following your last statement. |
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| 15:04.09 | marc1306 | bonjour |
| 15:04.10 | marc1306 | tout le monde |
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| 15:04.49 | FallOnMe | diesel: if accessing the proxy service with telnet localhost 3128 from the proxy itself isn't working, find out what hostname works and use that instead of localhost |
| 15:05.16 | liable | marc1306: english here, or try #debian-fr |
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| 15:05.39 | marc1306 | ha ok thks |
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| 15:05.54 | Guim_ | hi all |
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| 15:06.42 | Guim_ | what would you recommand me as the opensource pending of the well known Autocad software ? |
| 15:07.01 | Guim_ | i want to make plans |
| 15:07.08 | diesel | FallOnMe, just to clarify: I am issuing ths ssh -L command from the remote computer, not from the proxy. |
| 15:07.12 | Guim_ | but i have no idea of wht i could use |
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| 15:07.32 | diesel | FallOnMe, you probably understood this already. Just wanted to make sure |
| 15:08.06 | liable | Guim_: aptitude search cad |
| 15:08.13 | Guim_ | ok thx |
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| 15:08.42 | Guim_ | i see b u right now i am under windows :-( |
| 15:08.52 | antgel | !u |
| 15:08.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 15:09.28 | xst | Can I, in the bugtracker for debian, "vote" for bugs? I am also exeriencing the bug #321436 |
| 15:09.48 | liable | Guim_: google python-cad, qcad. |
| 15:09.57 | Guim_ | ok |
| 15:10.07 | FallOnMe | diesel: erm, I'm confused by the "remote" word. I thought you have a local machine, and you ssh out to the proxy. |
| 15:10.09 | PerfDave | xst: You can report additional information to the bug report, which may encourage the bug maintainer to respond more rapidly. If you fix the bug, a solution is even more likely ;) |
| 15:10.31 | Msoffical | Does anyone know how to fix apt-get problems?. |
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| 15:10.43 | streuner | Msoffical: ask |
| 15:10.46 | diesel | FallOnMe, that is correct. I do have a local machine and I am ssh'ing out the the proxy. |
| 15:10.46 | killer | mmm, arn, can't even fix the floppies :( |
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| 15:10.59 | Guim_ | thank you liable |
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| 15:11.18 | diesel | FallOnMe, so I am just wondering why I am telnet on the proxy to port 3128? |
| 15:11.24 | Guim_ | i will read throught this yet two projects |
| 15:11.31 | xst | perfdave: I tried to find the "add more info"-button, but didn't succeed (looking here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321436). Where can I find it? |
| 15:11.41 | FallOnMe | diesel: oh. |
| 15:12.21 | PerfDave | xst: Just send e-mail to 321436@bugs.debian.org |
| 15:12.28 | FallOnMe | diesel: It seems you got the syntax right, but by chance. ssh -L port1:host2:port2 means: |
| 15:12.46 | PerfDave | xst: Or use "reportbug" to tag the information along, along with some details of your system. |
| 15:13.42 | Guim_ | qcad has very nice screenshtos |
| 15:13.49 | FallOnMe | diesel: bind local port1, and forward the connections to the host2:port2 visible _on the remote side_. Thus, the localhost in ssh -L 8080:localhost:3128 is referring to the machine which you are ssh-ing to. |
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| 15:14.29 | SoTMaR | Hello |
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| 15:16.09 | FallOnMe | diesel: so you're doing telnet localhost 3128 on the remote machine to see if the proxy is listening on the loopback device. Since it's not (you get connection refused), find out which ip it IS listening on (telnet real-proxy-ip 3128), and use that one on the ssh command line. |
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| 15:16.57 | Technel | Is anyone aware if there is a Debian package available for PHP5? |
| 15:17.00 | diesel | FallOnMe, btw, I appreciate the help |
| 15:17.10 | Technel | unofficial, that is (I know there are no official ones) |
| 15:17.11 | liable | Technel: only in sid. |
| 15:17.13 | stew | Technel: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:17.24 | Technel | stew: (I know there are no official ones) |
| 15:17.28 | stew | Technel: there are |
| 15:17.32 | Technel | not for php5 |
| 15:17.37 | liable | !info php5 sid |
| 15:17.42 | streuner | !php5 |
| 15:17.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 15:17.42 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 15:17.46 | greycat | Technel: only everyone who read the DWN |
| 15:17.47 | Guim_ | Technel, I heard it was in debain for a few days |
| 15:18.20 | greycat | !DWN |
| 15:18.20 | dpkg | Debian Weekly News at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org |
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| 15:18.52 | SquareRt | hmm, I get the feeling wzdftpd is designed for "warez sites" *sigh* |
| 15:19.03 | Technel | Guim_: Well "apt-cache search PHP5" finds nothing while "apt-cache search PHP4" finds a ton of things |
| 15:19.08 | SquareRt | what sane FTP server has upload/download ratios?? |
| 15:19.12 | diesel | FallOnMe, okay. I got connected, then telnet waits for me to hit the escape character ^]. Is this normal behavior |
| 15:19.14 | FallOnMe | diesel: np. took me a while to understand that syntax, the documentation was not too useful. |
| 15:19.43 | streuner | Technel: which branch of debian are running? |
| 15:19.57 | Guim_ | it is only in unstable i think |
| 15:19.58 | FallOnMe | diesel: yes. try entering "GET http://slashdot.org HTTP/1.0", followed by two <Enter>. |
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| 15:20.24 | Technel | streuner: I went to "Getting Debian", got the NetInstall...So the latest one? |
| 15:20.29 | Technel | That is, stable |
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| 15:20.43 | stew | dpkg: no php5 is <reply> php5 is currently only available in unstable. if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb>, however, if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own. |
| 15:20.43 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 15:20.57 | FallOnMe | Wow, usage of "telnet" is not commonplace anymore. I think that's good. |
| 15:21.13 | stew | telnet is a great smtp debugging tool |
| 15:21.27 | doubletwist | and POP3 debugging tool |
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| 15:21.46 | SquareRt | fallonme: what about dial in modems and EIA232 Tail Circuit Buffers to admin router gear? ;) |
| 15:21.49 | doubletwist | And any number of other useful things. As long as you don't run a telnet server. :) |
| 15:21.52 | SquareRt | they common? |
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| 15:21.58 | streuner | Technel: use php4 |
| 15:21.59 | FallOnMe | diesel: should get you a sh*load of html, which means that's the correct proxy address. |
| 15:22.04 | Technel | streuner: No. |
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| 15:22.26 | diesel | GET = invalid comman |
| 15:22.31 | diesel | s/comman/command |
| 15:22.35 | FallOnMe | SquareRt: our networking people even telnet to Cisco's, though i'm sure those things have ssh. |
| 15:23.00 | SquareRt | fallonme: perhaps they think TACACS makes them invincible |
| 15:23.13 | SquareRt | diesel: isn't it "HTTP/1.1 GET" ? |
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| 15:24.08 | chris | FallOnMe: depends on the ios version |
| 15:24.19 | FallOnMe | SquareRt: they do auth via TACACS, yes |
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| 15:26.21 | SoTMaR | Hello everybody |
| 15:26.29 | SoTMaR | I've recompiled a 2.6.9 kernel |
| 15:26.30 | FallOnMe | diesel: strange, maybe you need some authenticaion to use the proxy? Anyway, do ^], q, and put s/localhost/real_ip_address/ in the ssh command line, then try using localhost:8080 as proxy again |
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| 15:26.37 | SoTMaR | dmesg says I did it right |
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| 15:26.56 | SoTMaR | But when I check /var/log/boot I see some modules missing |
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| 15:27.16 | zalo | j #cangas |
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| 15:27.43 | streuner | SoTMaR: why 2.6.9? |
| 15:27.44 | SoTMaR | It says detecting hardware and looks for some modules I don't have because they are built-in now |
| 15:28.06 | streuner | SoTMaR: which version of debian? |
| 15:28.21 | streuner | SoTMaR: and why do you think you need to compile a kernel? |
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| 15:28.54 | SoTMaR | streuner, I like to compile kernels to machines that are going to do a particular task |
| 15:28.57 | FallOnMe | streuner: why wouldn't he? |
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| 15:29.27 | streuner | FallOnMe: because it could causes serious headaches? ;-) |
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| 15:29.29 | SoTMaR | streuner, I compile drivers as built-in and remove everything I know I won't use |
| 15:29.50 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 15:30.01 | FallOnMe | streuner: using Debian kernel packages could cause even seriouser ones. Think security. |
| 15:30.04 | SquareRt | dpkg: "compiling your own kernel" is support nightmare |
| 15:30.04 | dpkg | SquareRt: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:30.07 | plb | hrm anyone help me out here I installed alsa-base but I can't seem to find any alsa apps it install alsaconf, alsactl for example |
| 15:30.32 | SoTMaR | streuner, the case is dmesg says I did it fine |
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| 15:31.08 | SoTMaR | streuner, but when I checked /var/log/boot I see that someone is looking for some modules that now are built-in in the kernel |
| 15:31.39 | juggz | hello all |
| 15:32.03 | juggz | I was hoping one of you could tell me the command that shows where a package installed it's files |
| 15:32.16 | juggz | I think it was apt-cache something but I forgot |
| 15:32.18 | streuner | FallOnMe: some people use kernel-images out of etch/sid in sarge, but don't tell anybody (secret) ;-) |
| 15:32.27 | SquareRt | juggz: dpkg -L <package> |
| 15:32.41 | SquareRt | juggz: or dpkg -S <file> to find out the package a file belongs to |
| 15:32.59 | SquareRt | (note the CAPITAL L, lowercase l lists packages, not files) |
| 15:33.00 | FallOnMe | streuner: yes, but "unstable has no security" (tm) |
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| 15:33.51 | goccia | secret ? who told you ' did it ? |
| 15:34.01 | streuner | FallOnMe: true, you must have a certain reason to use it, only playing is NOT enough |
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| 15:34.56 | SoTMaR | streuner, any idea about my problem? |
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| 15:35.30 | streuner | SoTMaR: as i told you before, use a debian kernel-image |
| 15:35.33 | xpato | hi, how can i catch the codes send by the keyboard? |
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| 15:36.38 | SoTMaR | streuner, I don't think that is the better solution |
| 15:36.41 | SoTMaR | Thanks anyway |
| 15:37.14 | goccia | xpato: man showkey |
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| 15:37.24 | juggz | SquareRt: thanks a lot |
| 15:37.43 | FallOnMe | SoTMaR: perhaps playing with /etc/modules and hotplug might show something. Or you can always ignore the messages. |
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| 15:38.35 | SoTMaR | FallOnMe, in /etc/modules there's no problem. I'll check hotplug |
| 15:38.53 | black13 | FallOnMe one more question i was able to create a symbolic link and all but xorg refuses keeps dying |
| 15:38.55 | Tetsu | hi |
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| 15:39.31 | Tetsu | hi |
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| 15:40.15 | FallOnMe | black13: Don't know much about X, what does it die from (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)? |
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| 15:40.49 | black13 | FallOnMe are fatal error in the log file prefixed with (EE) ? |
| 15:40.54 | greycat | black13: ask #xorg |
| 15:41.00 | greycat | or #x.org whichever works better |
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| 15:42.29 | FallOnMe | black13: I think so, but do heed greycat's advice, you have a better chance of finding an answer there |
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| 15:42.58 | black13 | xorg is dead no one there |
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| 15:43.23 | Tetsu | i am org |
| 15:43.32 | FourStarGeneral | http://madwifiwiki.thewebhost.de/wiki/ |
| 15:43.48 | FourStarGeneral | oops, wrong clipboard |
| 15:43.56 | FourStarGeneral | If i have a file archive for apt, how do i generate the Release etc files |
| 15:44.03 | Yokaloshi | i cant find how to install grub from the debian netinst after windows overwrote it anywhere |
| 15:44.09 | Yokaloshi | does anyone know? |
| 15:44.19 | stew | FourStarGeneral: /msg dpkg repository |
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| 15:44.28 | FourStarGeneral | stew: thanks |
| 15:44.29 | stew | Yokaloshi: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 15:44.43 | Yokaloshi | danke |
| 15:44.57 | stew | de rein |
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| 15:45.21 | silensius | ! fixmbr |
| 15:45.21 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
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| 15:45.54 | Yokaloshi | wait, what goes where it says target? |
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| 15:46.00 | Squall | ellow |
| 15:46.06 | Squall | how do i set date and time manualy in the command line? |
| 15:46.34 | stew | Yokaloshi: mkdir /target |
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| 15:46.53 | stew | Yokaloshi: you just need an empty directory to act as a mountpoint |
| 15:46.58 | d | !promise raid |
| 15:46.58 | dpkg | i heard promise raid is annoying to get working in debian; some fine gentleman made a howto for potato: http://bulmalug.net/body.phtml?nIdNoticia=1067&nIdPage=4 and another equally fine gent made one for woody: http://colby.tjs.org/~brendandg/promise-ft66-howto/howto.html |
| 15:46.59 | Yokaloshi | cheers |
| 15:47.00 | Yokaloshi | i get ya |
| 15:47.41 | stew | d: that info is very very old |
| 15:48.13 | black13 | finally got x to start hoooray! |
| 15:48.21 | Squall | idiot needs help |
| 15:48.22 | Squall | how do i set date and time manualy in the command line? |
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| 15:48.25 | ro0tz | when I try to install gnome on an up-to-date unstable, it refuses because of depends on evince/gpdf and sound-juicer which can't be installed... what to do ? |
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| 15:48.35 | Rawplayer | Squall: try google |
| 15:48.41 | nkuttler | Squall: man date, man hwclock |
| 15:48.44 | afabian | Squall, use the "apropos" command to search the online manual pages. |
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| 15:49.14 | d | stew: i noticed |
| 15:49.26 | Squall | its funny how debian support uses the word "man" the most |
| 15:49.27 | Squall | :> |
| 15:49.29 | d | stew: i just dled the sid kernel, what modules should I select to get my RAID card working? |
| 15:49.44 | afabian | Give a man a fish and he eats for a day... |
| 15:49.44 | takatumi | Squall: ja man. |
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| 15:50.28 | streuner | Squall: wrong, fact is #debian use the word 'man' really rare |
| 15:50.29 | goccia | ok : girl hwclock |
| 15:50.37 | stew | d: my guess would be sata_promise |
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| 15:50.44 | SoTMaR | I've this line among others in my /var/log/boot file |
| 15:50.44 | SoTMaR | Fri Aug 5 17:45:48 2005: Detecting hardware: i810_rng i810_tco 8139too piix cs46xx usb_uhci |
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| 15:50.56 | streuner | Squall: but if you looking for examples just use 'google' and learn how to use it |
| 15:50.56 | d | stew: its IDE |
| 15:51.12 | Technel | Anyone know why Debian doesn't have a Jedit package? |
| 15:51.25 | ro0tz | technel: because of java prolly |
| 15:51.33 | ro0tz | thank Sun for that |
| 15:52.09 | Technel | Jedit is the best programming text editor I know of that is not bloated to hell (Eclipse) |
| 15:52.11 | stew | d: my guess would then be whichever discover loads for you |
| 15:52.16 | Squall | found it |
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| 15:52.53 | d | stew: dmesg doesnt show anything new at the bottom after I 'discover' |
| 15:53.16 | ro0tz | Technel ffs, are you calling Eclipse a text editor? lol |
| 15:53.32 | Technel | ro0tz: IDE |
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| 15:53.45 | ro0tz | thank you |
| 15:53.54 | ro0tz | Technel: Eclipse is a full blown IDE |
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| 15:54.02 | ro0tz | Technel: jEdit is a full blown text editor |
| 15:54.08 | Rawplayer | vim thne? |
| 15:54.09 | ro0tz | Technel: pretty huge difference |
| 15:54.10 | madclicker | is there a tool to implement " BGP looking glass" commands on linux? |
| 15:54.17 | Technel | ro0tz: PHP does not need a full-blown IDE |
| 15:54.41 | ro0tz | Technel: anyway, you should try out the latest Java 5 SDK, in combination with eclipse 3.1 (makes a huge difference in performance) |
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| 15:54.57 | ro0tz | Technel: you don't even need jEdit, real programmers use vim :) |
| 15:55.02 | afabian | I suppose all computer programs could be construed as bloated text editors, if your interpretation is liberal enough. ;) |
| 15:55.13 | Technel | ro0tz: I am sorry, I am not in the caliber of "real programmers" then :) |
| 15:55.14 | emRick | what is a good standalone flash player for Debian? |
| 15:55.29 | ro0tz | :) |
| 15:55.34 | stew | d: probably because discover loaded the module at boot |
| 15:55.35 | ro0tz | just flaming, nm :) |
| 15:55.44 | stew | d: dmesg | grep hd |
| 15:56.02 | GlingON | so i got a yukon gigabit eithernet card and debian minimal cd install cna't detect it. via forums i'm suppose to use the sk98lin |
| 15:56.06 | GlingON | and when i do that |
| 15:56.16 | GlingON | i have to enter exta perameters |
| 15:56.24 | GlingON | irq and io numbers |
| 15:56.30 | dabaR | do you guys know why when I do df -h I get /dev/hdb1 9.2G 3.3G 5.5G which does not add up. |
| 15:56.31 | GlingON | i cna't find the io |
| 15:56.56 | ro0tz | when I try to install gnome, it depends on gpdf > 2.10.x but there is no such version in the debian unstable repo! Not even in Experimental! |
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| 15:57.37 | d | stew: nothing is there for my raid drives |
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| 15:57.59 | d | stew: I dont have drivers for it (couldnt find any or get the ones at promise.com to compile, too old) |
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| 15:58.15 | stew | d: what is the chipset? |
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| 15:58.23 | d | stew: of? |
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| 15:58.38 | d | stew: the raid card is promise fasttrack tx4000 (IDE) |
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| 15:58.44 | d | stew: ATA 133 |
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| 15:58.49 | stew | d: what is the line from lspci? |
| 15:58.52 | eps | I want to know which package this file is in, XKBlib.h , what command do I want to be using to find out? |
| 15:59.00 | Technel | Why isn't there a Sunbird Debian package? |
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| 15:59.06 | d | stew: 0000:01:08.0 RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20619 (FastTrak TX4000) (rev 02) |
| 15:59.10 | stew | Yokalosh: don't msg me, keep it on the channel please |
| 15:59.11 | eps | Technel make one |
| 15:59.12 | PerfDave | Technel: Well volunteered. |
| 15:59.41 | stew | d: there are two modules pdc202xx_new and pdc202xx_old |
| 15:59.47 | stew | d: i'd try the new first |
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| 16:00.23 | d | stew: i tried that yesterday, nada |
| 16:00.34 | tvn | I have 2 Deb (Sarge) machines and use Samba to share files. I can read/write/ etc as expected fine. The only problem is when I write to the server, it seems to hang (for example mkdir something hangs) , but when I control + C that process, then everything is back to normal and the dir something is created |
| 16:00.44 | stew | Yokalosh: you should be mounting your root partition, the one with /etc |
| 16:00.59 | stew | Yokalosh: stop msging me |
| 16:01.06 | stew | d: what happens when you load it? |
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| 16:01.18 | d | stew: modprobe pdc202xx_new ? |
| 16:01.20 | magnus___ | Hi. HOw do I tell make to make with a different GCC-version? |
| 16:01.27 | stew | d: yes |
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| 16:01.37 | d | stew: nothing, it sends me back to # and dmesg has nothing about hdds |
| 16:01.48 | stew | d: that means it worked |
| 16:01.57 | stew | d: unload it with modprobe -r, then reload it |
| 16:01.57 | d | stew: fdisk -l doesnt show them either |
| 16:02.17 | stew | d: if you unload it then reload it, something will probably show up in dmesg |
| 16:02.40 | d | stew: nay :( |
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| 16:02.59 | stew | d: if you get no error loading the module, then it sucessfully loaded |
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| 16:03.09 | d | stew: but I still dont see the drives |
| 16:03.26 | d | stew: should I get sid kernel/hotplugger? |
| 16:03.29 | Technel | Is it possible to install packages for "unstable" distro on stable? |
| 16:03.39 | oatis | how can I get apt to remove just the package I want? when I try to remove mailx it trys to force me to also remove mysql-server? |
| 16:03.49 | eps | Technel I wouldn't :) |
| 16:03.54 | eps | then again, I'm on unstable |
| 16:03.57 | streuner | Technel: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:04.16 | stew | d: i dunno then |
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| 16:04.21 | d | stew: fack |
| 16:04.42 | GlingON | when i try to install my yukon gigabit ethernet card it asks me for the i/o port. the only thing i could find was 0x00000c00-0x00000cff. do i enter that? |
| 16:05.21 | stew | d: looks like that card isn't supported yet |
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| 16:06.50 | GlingON | can anyone tell me what to enter for i/o port? i looked the card up under winmsd and found a "resourse" number is that it? |
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| 16:08.19 | d | stew: any programs you reccomend me dl? (im rerolling the 2.6.11 kernel |
| 16:08.36 | GlingON | can anyone help me i can't get my ethernet card detected. |
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| 16:08.42 | stew | d: why are you "rerolling" 2.6.11 |
| 16:08.57 | d | stew: because 2.6.8 doesnt support my card :D |
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| 16:09.12 | d | stew: should I set the RAID support as a * or M |
| 16:09.15 | streuner | GlingON: what does 'lspci | grep -i eth0' say? |
| 16:09.32 | GlingON | i have no idea what you just asked |
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| 16:09.57 | stew | d: does 2.6.11 support your card? |
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| 16:10.05 | streuner | GlingON: run 'lspci -v | grep -i eth' as root in a shell |
| 16:10.14 | d | stew: dunno, only one way to find out |
| 16:10.17 | GlingON | ok |
| 16:10.19 | REyM] | snail, I know this is not a xml or perl channel, but I install those thing trough debian so i tought I'd better aks here. anyway, I still don't have it working, I can't find wich package I need to get #PCDATA working. I looked on the internet and it looked like I had to install libxml-filter-detectws-perl, hower installing that package doesn't help, please give me some more hints to look at |
| 16:10.27 | stew | d: which module are you talking about? |
| 16:10.30 | madclicker | is there a tool to implement " BGP looking glass" commands on linux? |
| 16:10.41 | d | stew: the RAID support |
| 16:10.48 | stew | d: that not hardware raid |
| 16:11.00 | d | stew: oh, wher can I find hardware raid? |
| 16:11.01 | stew | d: you need to find the driver for it in drivers -> ide |
| 16:11.20 | stew | d: the hardware raid drivers are in scsi, but you don't have a hardware raid card, afaik |
| 16:11.48 | d | stew: err, i thought I did have a hardware raid card |
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| 16:12.06 | eps | I have a file, I need to know what gtk package it comes from, how do I search for this package |
| 16:12.11 | d | stew: and whats the difference between enabling something as * and M |
| 16:12.27 | stew | d: wheter its built into the kenrel or if its loadable as a module |
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| 16:12.48 | d | stew: well hmm |
| 16:13.03 | edwin_gurde | can I ask about a bash bug here? |
| 16:13.04 | emRick | what is a good standalone flash player for Debian? |
| 16:13.08 | edwin_gurde | #320036 |
| 16:13.18 | edwin_gurde | : it seems that the issue occurs because of the design |
| 16:13.18 | edwin_gurde | (19:09:43) edwin_gurde: if a command is executed succesfully after a command that failed |
| 16:13.18 | edwin_gurde | (19:09:48) edwin_gurde: the exit status is success |
| 16:13.18 | edwin_gurde | (19:10:04) edwin_gurde: i mean commands that are executed in one-line, like the example: bash 0>/dev/null |
| 16:13.18 | edwin_gurde | (19:10:07) edwin_gurde: 1. bash 0 |
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| 16:13.51 | edwin_gurde | sorry about that paste, I'll just type it in |
| 16:13.58 | PerfDave | edwin_gurde: Don't do that. |
| 16:14.04 | PerfDave | edwin_gurde: /msg dpkg enter |
| 16:14.06 | PerfDave | edwin_gurde: /msg dpkg paster |
| 16:14.34 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 16:14.52 | eps | so no one here has any idea how to find a file in a package via apt-* or aptitude, handy |
| 16:15.03 | streuner | eps: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:15.10 | GlingON | so how do i run something as a root in a shell? |
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| 16:15.35 | paster | Someone at 86.125.56.169 pasted "bash bug #320036" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/451 |
| 16:15.40 | streuner | GlingON: open a shell and run 'su' give root-passwort and execute command |
| 16:16.01 | eps | thank you streuner |
| 16:16.03 | daffy-pkf | woooops, my mysql server doesn't work anymore after a reboot, can someone help me? i installed guarddog just before but removed it (i think i should better learn iptables), maybe i did something bad, please help me :'( |
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| 16:16.48 | Gumby | I am trying to compile something and I keep getting "error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found." If installed libqt qt4 and some qt dev's but I cant seem to get the right package. Can anyone point me to the right package? |
| 16:16.52 | rbochan | daffy-pkf: just because you removed guarddog doesn't mean you removed the rules that were created |
| 16:17.09 | streuner | Gumby: ./configure --help |
| 16:17.33 | jim_ | Does your mysql server start if you start it manually? Or does it only fail after reboot? Does it appear to start and listen on port 3306, or does it just refuse to start regardless of at startup or otherwise? |
| 16:17.46 | rob_lt | daffy-pkf: try a "iptables -L" to see if there are any iptables rules still active. |
| 16:17.46 | streuner | Gumby: look for options (path) and, of course, use dpkg -L package where the libs is located |
| 16:17.55 | daffy-pkf | rbochan> but before i removed guarddog, my mysqlserver was still working |
| 16:17.55 | Gumby | configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target |
| 16:17.55 | Gumby | checking build system type... Invalid configuration `help': machine `help' not recognized |
| 16:17.55 | Gumby | configure: error: /bin/sh admin/config.sub help failed |
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| 16:18.11 | Gumby | gah |
| 16:18.12 | Gumby | nm |
| 16:18.16 | Gumby | I missed the -- |
| 16:18.45 | daffy-pkf | rob_lt> i have that in FORWARD: TCPMSS tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp flags:SYN,RST/SYN tcpmss match 1400:1536 TCPMSS clamp to PMTU |
| 16:18.59 | daffy-pkf | rob_lt> but that's all |
| 16:19.36 | d | http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 16:19.46 | gilber | hello, i use vim in my sarge but i don't know how i copy and paste text between two xconsole in vim? |
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| 16:19.50 | d | anyone know where there is an UPDATED version of upgrading your kernel in debian? |
| 16:20.12 | rob_lt | daffy-pkf: you could try "iptables -F FORWARD" to get rid of that |
| 16:20.19 | Lee__ | d: man kernel-package |
| 16:20.59 | daffy-pkf | rob_lt> mysql still doesn't want to start |
| 16:21.25 | jim_ | I don't know where the logs are in debian, but does your /var/log/mysql.err or log like that have anything in it? |
| 16:21.29 | rob_lt | gilber: once you highlight the text, it is copied. To paste, press your third mouse button, which is clicking the scroll wheel on a scroll wheel mouse, or pressing both L/R buttons at the same time if you don't have a scroll wheel. |
| 16:21.39 | d | how do I remove a directory when it has files inside? |
| 16:21.48 | jim_ | If you do a 'netstat -pln' does it show anything listening on port 3306? |
| 16:21.50 | daffy-pkf | rob_lt> the point that it doesn't even start |
| 16:21.51 | rob_lt | rm /path/to/directory -rfv |
| 16:21.55 | Lee__ | d: man rm |
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| 16:22.47 | rob_lt | daffy-pkf: well, without error messages, it is hard to make suggestions. I'm no mysql guru in the first place, however. |
| 16:22.53 | jim_ | hurm, there should be a mysql error log that should give you an idea of what the error you are getting means. In /var/log, look for mysql, should be an error log somewhere. If not there, check /var/log/messages, you should have some output somewhere saying what is wrong. |
| 16:23.11 | rob_lt | daffy-pkf: did you check the log file as jim_ keeps suggesting? |
| 16:23.19 | jim_ | if it was iptables, it might not let you get any connections, but it shouldnt stop the application from binding to the tcp port |
| 16:23.50 | daffy-pkf | jim_, rob_lt > yep i saw some things in syslog, can paste it in #flood if you want, i'm going to check if there are other logs |
| 16:24.41 | rob_lt | daffy-pkf: I'm probably not much help with mysql... I just knew how to flush the iptables rules since you mentioned guarddog |
| 16:25.37 | jim_ | You may want to check to see if something foolishly has bound itself to port 3306 and is stopping mysql from starting. I dont know if you play with things such as portsentry, but it might have bound to 3306 and is waiting for things to check it so it can "protect" you for portscans and the like. Just a theory although I have nothing to support it. |
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| 16:26.55 | gilber | ok. rob_lt thanks |
| 16:27.11 | daffy-pkf | jim_> nothing on port 3306, nothing about mysql in /var/log/messages, and nothing at all in mysql logs |
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| 16:27.51 | skyking | hello |
| 16:27.59 | daffy-pkf | jim_> i have that in syslog: /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'old_passwords=1' |
| 16:29.05 | REyM] | daffy-pkf you are using unstable, I got that same problem here |
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| 16:29.44 | daffy-pkf | REyM]> ho... so, did you fixed it? |
| 16:29.58 | REyM] | install the stable version |
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| 16:30.34 | daffy-pkf | REyM]> hmmm, ok, won't it erase my databases? |
| 16:30.53 | REyM] | I don't know |
| 16:31.04 | daffy-pkf | arg |
| 16:31.05 | REyM] | I am not the guy who knows a lot about those thigs |
| 16:31.11 | REyM] | I just had that same problem |
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| 16:31.32 | daffy-pkf | REyM]> thanks for the clue |
| 16:31.40 | REyM] | and It didn't matter if my databases were lost |
| 16:31.56 | Pericle | just save the db before uninstalling ... |
| 16:32.16 | daffy-pkf | Pericle> wher can i find them? |
| 16:32.33 | Pericle | daffy-pkf, that depends on your installation path |
| 16:32.54 | Pericle | daffy-pkf, in any case you can do a dump with the client |
| 16:33.03 | daffy-pkf | Pericle> welll... the default one i guess :) |
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| 16:33.33 | dogwater | Is there anyway to get debian to install properly on a intel 955 based motherboard? |
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| 16:34.13 | saloxin | dogwater: what is the problem? |
| 16:34.21 | dogwater | doesnt see the nics or the hard drives |
| 16:34.31 | rbochan | daffy-pkf: REyM]: clicky clicky... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320988 |
| 16:34.39 | saloxin | ajaj, tried both kernel versions? |
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| 16:35.16 | d | i have an AMD barton 2500+, is that K7, or 686? |
| 16:35.26 | dogwater | k8 |
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| 16:35.46 | d | k8 is 64 bit |
| 16:35.49 | d | i have 32 |
| 16:35.56 | dogwater | oh. |
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| 16:36.33 | daffy-pkf | rbochan> greaaat! i should remembre to check the bts when having problems... |
| 16:36.48 | rbochan | !btssmite daffy-pkf |
| 16:37.07 | daffy-pkf | rbochan> lol |
| 16:37.11 | rbochan | ;p |
| 16:37.28 | dogwater | is there anyway to install debian with a newer kernel? |
| 16:37.31 | rbochan | seriously...get apt-listbugs |
| 16:37.45 | snail | dogwater: apt-cache search kernel |
| 16:37.52 | daffy-pkf | rbochan> i did, but didn't noticed that |
| 16:37.54 | dogwater | i dont mean, install a newer kernel |
| 16:37.59 | dogwater | I mean install it with a newer kernel |
| 16:38.07 | d | dogwater: dpkg -i |
| 16:38.08 | dogwater | than what is included with the distribution |
| 16:38.08 | rob_lt | dogwater: 2.6.8 is the newest you can install with |
| 16:38.17 | rob_lt | from the netinstall |
| 16:38.28 | dogwater | doesnt see the damn nic or the sata controller on this motherboard |
| 16:38.32 | d | dogwater: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/07/msg01029.html if you want to run 2.6.11 |
| 16:38.39 | dogwater | how can they omit an intel chipset |
| 16:38.53 | dogwater | especially for dual core |
| 16:39.03 | rob_lt | you need > 2.6.8? |
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| 16:39.20 | saloxin | dogwater: tried the linux26 kernel on the cd? |
| 16:39.58 | dogwater | by default the installer uses 2.6 doesnt it? |
| 16:40.04 | dogwater | would be somewhat brainless to use 2.4 |
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| 16:40.29 | nicknicknick | no |
| 16:40.30 | nicknicknick | 2.4 |
| 16:40.32 | nicknicknick | :) |
| 16:40.34 | takatumi | dogwater: no, default is 2.4, boot with linux26 for 2,6 |
| 16:40.35 | saloxin | dogwater: 2.6 was still very unstable when sarge started to freeze :-) |
| 16:40.39 | nicknicknick | linux26 boots the 2.6 |
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| 16:40.48 | dogwater | i'll give that a shot |
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| 16:41.04 | vivek | I have some trouble with my Hp Laser printer and debian. I have the usblp module loaded. I have cupsys installed. I have the printer connected via usb. lsusb lists the printer. I have used the appropriate ppd file for the printer. I have the printer switched on. But i can't print from the cups web interface.(the test page i.e. ) ... |
| 16:41.10 | vivek | how do i fix this ? |
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| 16:41.33 | saloxin | vivek: start by tailing cups logfiles |
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| 16:41.49 | d | when I apt-get install kernel-image, what dir do I cd to to dkpg it? |
| 16:41.52 | FabParma | is it possible shuth down kde pressing a button like gnome? (dont suggest init 0) |
| 16:41.58 | nicknicknick | lol |
| 16:42.02 | vivek | saloxin: the logs are called /var/log/? ? |
| 16:42.10 | nicknicknick | d apt-get installs it |
| 16:42.37 | d | nicknicknick: diablo:/usr/src# uname -r |
| 16:42.37 | d | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 16:42.40 | saloxin | vivek: tail -f /varlog/cups/* while trying again |
| 16:42.50 | vivek | E [05/Aug/2005:12:58:54 +0530] Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 5! |
| 16:42.55 | nicknicknick | reboot d |
| 16:42.58 | vivek | ok this is the only error i have in there ... |
| 16:43.42 | vivek | ok i think i need ESP Ghostscript |
| 16:43.45 | WiFiTux | can someone recomend a cool smb browser for a console? |
| 16:43.59 | dogwater | thats what I get for trying to be cutting edge with my pentium 4 lol |
| 16:44.04 | jim_ | define your definition of "cool" :-) |
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| 16:44.15 | WiFiTux | jim_: easy. |
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| 16:44.36 | PeterB | WiFiTux: mount, cd, ls. |
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| 16:44.51 | greycat | dogwater: "Your laptop is a month old? Well that's great. If you could use a nice, heavy paperweight." |
| 16:44.51 | WiFiTux | PeterB: browser. |
| 16:45.02 | rbochan | mc? |
| 16:45.11 | WiFiTux | rbochan: mc? |
| 16:45.14 | WiFiTux | let me see. |
| 16:45.23 | rbochan | mount, mc |
| 16:45.27 | vivek | saloxin: tnx i think gs-esp should fix this error ... |
| 16:45.40 | dogwater | greycat: im kind of a moron, I had a 3000MHz athlon 64 when the PCI-e revolution came about and I upgraded just so i could get 2 video cards :D |
| 16:45.47 | s_ward | WiFiTux, smbclient? It browses |
| 16:45.55 | WiFiTux | s_ward: that's the one. |
| 16:46.01 | rbochan | vivek: thanks, I was doing that a couple days ago and couldn't remember the package |
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| 16:46.07 | dogwater | greycat: and now I want a dual core athlon :D |
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| 16:46.29 | kyle2 | Is there anyone who can help me out with DMraid on a sarge install? |
| 16:46.29 | s_ward | Oooh, do I get to be "cool" now? |
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| 16:47.35 | rbochan | saloxin: you might also look into the foomatic-filters-ppds package as well (in my case that's what I needed too) |
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| 16:48.32 | saloxin | rbochan: not me, vivek ;-) |
| 16:48.46 | rbochan | d'oh |
| 16:49.30 | rbochan | it was weird, the epson driver I used from cupsys loaded, but wouldn't print, but the foomatic one worked fine |
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| 16:51.51 | WiFiTux | PeterB: I think you once gave me a command to mount a drive. Do you have that sample around? :) |
| 16:51.53 | WiFiTux | or anyone? |
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| 16:52.34 | s_ward | !anyone |
| 16:52.35 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:52.41 | s_ward | WiFiTux, man mount |
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| 16:52.54 | WiFiTux | s_ward: :| |
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| 16:53.09 | luulis | Anyone from Europe, please sign this, it's important: http://www.dataretentionisnosolution.com/ |
| 16:53.19 | cddesjar | i am trying to run vmware workstation 5 on my computer |
| 16:53.34 | cddesjar | i set it up yesterday and it worked fine |
| 16:53.44 | cddesjar | then this morning i rebooted and tried to open up a guest OS |
| 16:53.46 | Rawplayer | if you just to lazy to use google or man pages install windos then |
| 16:54.06 | cddesjar | and it said could not open /dev/vmmon/ make sure vmmon module loaded |
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| 16:54.22 | cddesjar | i forgot how to load modules |
| 16:54.31 | PerfDave | cddesjar: modprobe |
| 16:54.37 | cddesjar | yes of course |
| 16:54.38 | Rawplayer | insmod |
| 16:54.41 | Rawplayer | :p |
| 16:54.53 | Rawplayer | modconf |
| 16:54.56 | cddesjar | hmm...could not locate vmmon |
| 16:54.57 | PerfDave | Rawplayer: insmod is deprecated in favour of modprobe, particularly with 2.6 kernels |
| 16:55.08 | Rawplayer | ow didnt know |
| 16:55.12 | Rawplayer | i never use modules |
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| 16:55.20 | homecable | "If you want to enable it, you can:\n" |
| 16:55.20 | homecable | " - Install the i2c-2.4-xx-x-xxx and lm-sensors-2.4-xx-x-xxx packages\n" |
| 16:55.20 | homecable | " corresponding to your kernel if you are using a prebuilt kernel;\n" |
| 16:55.20 | homecable | " - Patch your kernel using the packages kernel-patch-2.4-i2c and\n" |
| 16:55.20 | homecable | " kernel-patch-2.4-lm-sensors;\n" |
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| 16:55.34 | cddesjar | me? |
| 16:55.34 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.04 | PerfDave | homecable: Please don't paste huge amounts to the channel. Now, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 16:56.25 | d | what are the driver names for raid drives? sd0axx_new or something? |
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| 16:57.19 | bassembg | hi |
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| 16:57.53 | bassembg | how can i save an edited file in vi |
| 16:58.09 | PerfDave | bassembg: :w |
| 16:58.10 | s_ward | bassembg, :W |
| 16:58.14 | takatumi | bassembg: ZZ |
| 16:58.21 | s_ward | what perfdave said -- not capital w |
| 16:58.22 | DoppelGanger | RTFM |
| 16:58.45 | bassembg | which one is true |
| 16:58.52 | DoppelGanger | the one in the manual |
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| 16:59.06 | homecable | i'm trying to get mtrg to work |
| 16:59.16 | homecable | http://xbugpc.ath.cx/mrtg/ |
| 16:59.21 | bassembg | it didn't work |
| 16:59.26 | greycat | bassembg: /msg dpkg vi basics |
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| 16:59.30 | PerfDave | !didn't work |
| 16:59.30 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 16:59.31 | s_ward | bassembg, :help write |
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| 16:59.45 | greycat | you're all forgetting to tell him to whack ESC a few time.s |
| 16:59.56 | takatumi | heh |
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| 17:00.12 | goccia | and to type i at least once |
| 17:00.17 | bassembg | any quick solution |
| 17:00.33 | PerfDave | bassembg: :w, as I said |
| 17:00.58 | elmagozizou | Hi..does someone knows how open gnome terminal maximised by default? |
| 17:00.59 | stew | bassembg: :wq :x ZZ :w shoudl all work, the first 3 also quit. ":help :wq" will show you documentation |
| 17:01.03 | PerfDave | homecable: OK, what are you doing that's telling you to install this stuff? |
| 17:01.52 | homecable | when i apt-get install mrtg told me i need it before it would work |
| 17:02.08 | homecable | apt-get install snmpd |
| 17:02.15 | homecable | i ment snmpd told me |
| 17:02.45 | cddesjar | i presume i probably need to mount this some how? |
| 17:02.48 | PerfDave | homecable: What kernel are you using? |
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| 17:02.54 | greycat | stew: :help requires vim. |
| 17:03.03 | cddesjar | since it worked fine before i turned off my computer it probably just needs to be mounted or something |
| 17:03.06 | stew | oh oops |
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| 17:03.41 | homecable | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 17:03.47 | cddesjar | how do i load a module? |
| 17:04.08 | PerfDave | cddesjar: modprobe |
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| 17:04.25 | rob_lt | elmagozizou: alias gnome-terminal='gnome-terminal --geometry=1024x768' ??? |
| 17:04.26 | cddesjar | it says can not locate module |
| 17:04.41 | PerfDave | cddesjar: That doesn't mean that it's the wrong command to use. |
| 17:04.51 | cddesjar | sure |
| 17:04.51 | rob_lt | modprobe -l |
| 17:04.59 | rob_lt | will list all the modules that modprobe is aware of |
| 17:05.11 | PerfDave | homecable: You can either use a 2.6 kernel, which should have i2c and lm-sensors stuff built in, or you can use apt-cache to search for the relevant i2c and lm-sensors packages for your kernel. |
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| 17:05.51 | homecable | how do i use apt-cache |
| 17:06.01 | DocTomoe | homecable: man apt-cache ? |
| 17:06.27 | elmagozizou | rob_lt, this too? "???" |
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| 17:06.46 | BrianAnthony | how can I restrict a user to just their home directory? |
| 17:06.56 | FabParma | homecable: - apt-cache search your package |
| 17:07.26 | stew | BrianAnthony: /msg dpkg ssh chroot |
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| 17:07.34 | cddesjar | how do i download the headers for my current kernel? i know it's some thing like "apt-get install kernel-name u&name blah blah" |
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| 17:07.38 | PerfDave | BrianAnthony: Basically, you can't. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 17:07.42 | cddesjar | opps i mean kernel-headers |
| 17:07.51 | PerfDave | cddesjar: apt-cache search kernel-headers, pick the one that matches. |
| 17:08.13 | PerfDave | cddesjar: I don't think it'll work if you're not using a Debian-provided kernel though. |
| 17:08.38 | rob_lt | elmagozizou: nope, not the question marks. Are you launchine gnome-terminal from an icon? |
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| 17:08.41 | cddesjar | i am perfdave |
| 17:08.47 | rob_lt | *launching even |
| 17:08.47 | guevolt | what i do? http://www.smartlinks.com.br/error.html ? |
| 17:09.00 | BrianAnthony | PerfDave: I have a user that's logging in through either ssh or ftp |
| 17:09.13 | BrianAnthony | and I just want to give him access to his home |
| 17:09.23 | stew | cddesjar: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:09.31 | BrianAnthony | can I set it to not be able to read from directories not owned by him? |
| 17:09.31 | stew | BrianAnthony: its not possible |
| 17:09.49 | stew | BrianAnthony: if you do that he could not run any programs, not even cat, or ls |
| 17:09.56 | BrianAnthony | damn |
| 17:09.57 | BrianAnthony | that sucks |
| 17:09.59 | PerfDave | BrianAnthony: With FTP, it may be possible. With SFTP, it may be possible. With SSH, it is not possible. |
| 17:10.03 | stew | BrianAnthony: since to run those he needs to be able to read /bin and /usr/bin/ |
| 17:10.10 | PerfDave | BrianAnthony: Why do you want to be able to do this? It's pointless. |
| 17:10.21 | rob_lt | elmagozizou: an alias is something you put in your .bashrc file, so that when you type a command in a terminal, another command is actually executed. You can also go to "properties" of your icons by right clicking them, and set them to launch in full screen there |
| 17:10.25 | elmagozizou | rob_lt, yeah tou give me the idea...I put the geometry in the comand of the louncher |
| 17:10.41 | BrianAnthony | PerfDave: okay. I was just wondering |
| 17:10.42 | elmagozizou | rob_lt, ok...thnks |
| 17:11.06 | rob_lt | elmagozizou: ok... as far as I know, metacity can't remember the size and location of windows. |
| 17:11.20 | Eclipser | BrianAnthony, you can, however, restrict which directories/files a user has access to, but you have to be careful with that too :) |
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| 17:11.23 | PerfDave | BrianAnthony: You can use permissions to stop people reading each other's home directories, and at files they shouldn't be reading (like /etc/shadow) but trying to limit them is usually more hassle for no benefit. |
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| 17:11.53 | BrianAnthony | PerfDave: I basicaly just want iom out of my home |
| 17:11.53 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 17:11.55 | BrianAnthony | him, even |
| 17:12.09 | stew | BrianAnthony: chmod 700 /home/briananthony |
| 17:12.10 | Shadowcat | chmod -R 700 /home/<your home dir> |
| 17:12.11 | Shadowcat | done |
| 17:12.21 | web | ssh -D is how to port forward? is there a way to do this as a daemon so that the port is always protected |
| 17:12.21 | BrianAnthony | thanks |
| 17:12.23 | Eclipser | someone once removed all rights to use anything in /usr from everyone (including root :) |
| 17:12.39 | Shadowcat | Eclipser: root doesn't need file permissions |
| 17:12.44 | Shadowcat | it does without them |
| 17:12.44 | PerfDave | web: man ssh :) |
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| 17:12.53 | Eclipser | he was on ubuntu |
| 17:12.57 | Eclipser | so he didn't have root password |
| 17:13.05 | Eclipser | and no rights to use sudo |
| 17:13.06 | elmagozizou | rob_lt, you know I have gnome terminal starting at the lounch of gnome...is it posible to set it to one of the 4 desktops in spesific? |
| 17:13.09 | Shadowcat | that's umm... STUPID |
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| 17:13.28 | web | PerfDave: do you know what i need |
| 17:13.28 | Eclipser | yeah :) |
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| 17:13.45 | rob_lt | elmagozizou: I'm not sure... you could try some of these questions in #gnome, but it is always a little slow in there. |
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| 17:14.12 | Eclipser | ubuntu encourages the use of sudo and doesn't set root password on installation |
| 17:14.20 | PerfDave | web: Yes, you need to read the manpage for ssh :) |
| 17:14.21 | Shadowcat | yes I know that |
| 17:14.29 | Shadowcat | but the first thing I do is set that password |
| 17:14.39 | Shadowcat | I like my root account :P |
| 17:14.40 | Eclipser | I've never used ubuntu actually |
| 17:14.43 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 17:15.03 | elmagozizou | rob_lt, ok tnks |
| 17:15.06 | bassembg | where is this manpage for ssh |
| 17:15.12 | Eclipser | man ssh |
| 17:15.29 | Eclipser | bassembg, read `man man` too :) |
| 17:15.35 | Shadowcat | man Eclipser |
| 17:15.36 | stew | bassembg: /usr/share/man/man1/ |
| 17:15.39 | Shadowcat | no man page entry for Eclipser |
| 17:16.13 | web | PerfDave: for what exactly as if i havent looked at the relevant words in it... |
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| 17:18.05 | FabParma | how to dicover the kernel version? is there a command? |
| 17:18.11 | Eclipser | uname -r |
| 17:18.12 | stew | FabParma: uname -r |
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| 17:18.25 | Shadowcat | cat /proc/version |
| 17:18.27 | FabParma | stew: thank you |
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| 17:18.50 | homecable | .url |
| 17:18.53 | greycat | !window scaling |
| 17:18.53 | dpkg | it has been said that window scaling is http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/ -> if you're having problems connecting to some sites with Linux kernels later than 2.6.7, read this. |
| 17:19.16 | homecable | what url did i post |
| 17:19.27 | homecable | before i had to logoff ? |
| 17:19.39 | stew | homecable: /lastlog homecable |
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| 17:20.29 | Bac9 | is there any way to get all allsa apps to use dmix and not ust the apps of the current user? (so that I can have system daemons and regular apps play sound)? |
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| 17:21.38 | web | PerfDave: this program uses lots of remote ports on the local side. so i can i make it protect all of those |
| 17:21.54 | web | PerfDave: this program uses lots of ports on the local side and one port on the remote side so i can i make it protect all of those |
| 17:21.58 | ma3x | Why I can't mount .nrg? |
| 17:22.05 | d | thats apple |
| 17:22.07 | ma3x | Even when I convert it to iso, it's still not mountable |
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| 17:23.17 | mikael | i have used foomatic-gui to find the printer but the test page wont be printed for some reason. anyone knows what can be causing this? |
| 17:23.42 | stew | ma3x: what is .nrg? if you create an iso, and your kernel supports both iso9660 fs and loop (which debian kernels will) it WILL be mountable |
| 17:23.52 | mikael | does "printout mode" matter? i've also tried to print using openoffice.org and firefox |
| 17:23.56 | stew | web: what do you mean by protect ports? |
| 17:24.17 | ma3x | stew: .nrg is that NERO format for virtual cd |
| 17:24.25 | web | stew: forward |
| 17:24.27 | pipeline | ma3x: Perhaps it's not an ISO9660 filesystem. "nrg" and "iso" are just image files. There's no way to say what sort of filesystem is in the image. |
| 17:24.46 | d | stew: what were those drivers you told me about earlier? sb0axx_new and sb0axx_old or something |
| 17:24.46 | drac | There is nrg2iso package in Debian, to convert it. |
| 17:24.50 | goccia | disktype mabe will tell |
| 17:24.55 | goccia | maybe* |
| 17:25.33 | d | and, what forum should I ask for detailed help on? |
| 17:25.57 | stew | d: pdc202xx_new and pdc202xx_old, but that was before i realized you have a 206x and not 202x |
| 17:26.13 | ma3x | drac, I just convert it and the new .ISO does not mount |
| 17:26.16 | d | stew: yar, how do I get the 206x drivers? |
| 17:26.40 | ma3x | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop3 |
| 17:26.51 | ma3x | Unable to identify CD-ROM format |
| 17:26.58 | ma3x | that's the result |
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| 17:27.40 | stew | d: i don't believe such drivers exist yet. do a google search for the chipset as its reported by lspci |
| 17:27.49 | stew | d: or look around the promise site |
| 17:28.03 | stew | d: this is why you should check hardware compatibility before buying hardware |
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| 17:28.21 | sciron | what package is 'dig' in? |
| 17:28.33 | stew | sciron: dnsutils iirc |
| 17:28.36 | stew | sciron: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:28.40 | sciron | ty |
| 17:28.58 | stew | (i think you have been told about /msg dpkg search several times now, learn to help yourself) |
| 17:29.15 | sciron | uhm, first time I've looked for a specific executable |
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| 17:29.55 | d | stew: Revision 40: Add support for pdc20619 (dsd) |
| 17:29.55 | d | Added: 4325_promise-pdc20619.patch |
| 17:30.12 | d | that's for kernel 2.6.12-2 |
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| 17:30.46 | coreyo | has anyone had luck with sata and sleep/suspend-to-ram ? In particular, I have a piix sata controller |
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| 17:31.23 | stew | scipion: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/dig |
| 17:31.31 | stew | err |
| 17:31.33 | stew | he's gone |
| 17:31.35 | stew | scipion: sorry |
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| 17:32.42 | d | stew: d: this is why you should check hardware compatibility before buying hardware... i told you, Ive had this card for years, and just migrated to linux 5 days ago, please dont assume things |
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| 17:34.38 | stew | d: sorry. if the card is years old its very suprising that there is no mainline kernel support for it yet |
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| 17:34.57 | stew | d: time to get the kenrel-howto, and read /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:35.16 | d | stew: thx :) |
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| 17:37.01 | cds | Anybody know of an exim config walkthrough? |
| 17:37.26 | cds | The only ones I can find are for Woody, so are pretty useless |
| 17:38.02 | d | real quick, you all reccomend I stick with the debian kernel, and dont go with one from kernel.org? |
| 17:38.13 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 17:38.13 | dpkg | mail tutorial is, like, at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 17:39.07 | Frafra | hi all |
| 17:39.18 | d | ooo, found a patch, how do I "patch" my kernel? |
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| 17:39.27 | greycat | read the README file in the kernel source |
| 17:39.36 | greycat | read "man patch" too while you're at it. |
| 17:39.54 | Frafra | i want configure /etc/apt/apt-build.conf for my amd athlon 64 (k8) |
| 17:40.14 | greycat | ask #debian-amd64 |
| 17:40.16 | cds | greycat: that's great, thanks. I'll have a read through it and see if that helps |
| 17:40.19 | Frafra | thanks |
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| 17:42.24 | homecable | how do i remove a pack i installed ? |
| 17:42.47 | greycat | homecable: apt-get remove |
| 17:43.28 | d | greycat: i apt-got my kernel image, so I dont know what dir I should go to.. (/usr/src/ doesnt have 2.6.11) |
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| 17:44.04 | greycat | d: if you're using a kernel IMAGE then you don't "patch" it. You would have to have source code first, in order to apply the patch to the source. |
| 17:44.51 | d | greycat: so you think I should save my .config, dl the source, compile that using the loaded config file, THEN patch? |
| 17:44.56 | coreyo | is it typically necessary to do anything such as using hdparm to an sata hard drive to tune its performance, or is that only for IDE drives? |
| 17:44.57 | greycat | you can try. |
| 17:45.03 | d | ok |
| 17:45.10 | greycat | but you'd patch before compiling. |
| 17:45.25 | Pericle | Installing ndiswrapper I get this-> modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 17:45.25 | Pericle | modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 17:45.30 | d | greycat: patch inside the dir, okay |
| 17:45.41 | Pericle | how could it be ? |
| 17:45.48 | Pericle | (sorry for the paste) |
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| 17:49.01 | s_ward | Pericle, try depmod (to regenerate modules.dep) |
| 17:50.05 | homecable | whats exim4 |
| 17:50.06 | homecable | ? |
| 17:50.17 | silverbb | I have /usr/bin/Xvnc in /etc/xinetd.d/vnc and when I telnet to port 5901, the connection is made and instantly dropped. What's causing it to drop me? |
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| 17:50.45 | s_ward | homecable, ask dpkg: /msg dpkg exim4 |
| 17:51.01 | drini | just asking for an opinion? anybody has an idea why starting X takes a long long time to start lately (wether it's kdm or startx), it's xorg 6.8.2-dfsg.1-4 |
| 17:52.28 | valdyn_ | drini: i doubt its 'X' itself that takes long. is it? |
| 17:52.46 | valdyn_ | drini: run 'X' itself from a console to find it. |
| 17:52.47 | drini | it used to be faster (xorg) |
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| 17:52.52 | drini | ok |
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| 17:53.39 | drini | indeed was faster with X alone |
| 17:54.18 | Justin | drini: try startx /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm |
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| 17:54.34 | valdyn_ | drini: so the slow part is something that is run after X is started ( like your kde session or gnome session or whatever ) |
| 17:55.09 | drini | thanks both, I'll try and see what is happening |
| 17:55.37 | FabParma | When i boot i get this message "Hal requires a 2.6 kernel" How can I install the 2.6? |
| 17:56.10 | d | real quick: I have a patch, and I read in the man pages im supposed to use it in the tree before compiling, but when I patch -p 1 <patch> in /usr/src/kernel-source### it just hangs |
| 17:56.27 | valdyn_ | drini: man patch |
| 17:56.45 | valdyn_ | d: man patch |
| 17:56.53 | d | i did! |
| 17:57.09 | valdyn_ | d: what is in the 3rd line after "SYNOPSIS" ? |
| 17:57.16 | stew | d: leave off the > |
| 17:57.19 | d | FACK |
| 17:57.21 | d | hah |
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| 17:57.28 | drini | I think finishing that 60mb upgrade will finish |
| 17:57.36 | FabParma | how to install a kernel 2.6? |
| 17:57.38 | drini | I guess I'm mixing .1-3 and .1-4 stuff |
| 17:57.44 | valdyn_ | d: patch only takes patches in STDIN |
| 17:57.50 | d | err, I did |
| 17:57.57 | d | (leave off) |
| 17:58.03 | d | valdyn_: stdin? |
| 17:58.05 | stew | d: then it woudln't hang |
| 17:58.16 | stew | d: patch -p 1 <patch |
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| 17:58.31 | web | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.31 | Alexbnk | hello all |
| 17:58.32 | valdyn_ | d: 'cat patchfile | patch' or 'patch < patchfile' |
| 17:58.56 | valdyn_ | d: or run 'patch' and manually type the patch ;) |
| 17:58.58 | Alexbnk | trying to get kde 3.4.2 on my newly unstable install |
| 17:59.02 | Alexbnk | any idea ? |
| 17:59.12 | d | valdyn_: even when I just type patch it hangs |
| 17:59.13 | stew | d: i would recommend patch -p1 --dry-run < patch ; first, and see if you get any errors, and if no errors run it without --dry-run |
| 17:59.14 | saloxin | FabParma: push <F3> orso during boot prompt, choose linux26 |
| 17:59.21 | goccia | 3.4.2 ? |
| 17:59.28 | Alexbnk | yep |
| 17:59.46 | valdyn_ | d: sure, b/c it is waiting for input and an EOF on STDIN |
| 18:00.01 | Alexbnk | all i do gets me to 3.4.0 |
| 18:00.03 | Alexbnk | :( |
| 18:00.06 | d | valdyn_: im 5 day old linux newb.. dont understand eof stdin :( |
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| 18:00.17 | valdyn_ | d: just use abovementioned syntax... |
| 18:00.32 | goccia | i have 3.4.1 from alioth : wher 3.4.2 is located ? |
| 18:00.38 | stew | d: what is the *EXACT* line you are typing |
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| 18:00.52 | cadu | hello, is it hard/difficult to create a ppp server? (but i want people to connect from internet...is it VPN?) |
| 18:00.53 | Alexbnk | i guess thats the Q |
| 18:00.56 | cadu | :-) |
| 18:01.10 | Alexbnk | cause i use alioth.debian too |
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| 18:01.26 | valdyn_ | cadu: its silly. |
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| 18:01.49 | d | diablo:/usr/src/kern-source-2.6.11# patch |
| 18:01.56 | d | stew: diablo:/usr/src/kern-source-2.6.11# patch |
| 18:02.03 | cadu | valdyn_: silly means ubereasy ? |
| 18:02.08 | valdyn_ | cadu: there is sane methods to have people log into your server from the internet, ppp is not required. |
| 18:02.11 | greycat | d: man patch |
| 18:02.13 | greycat | idiot. |
| 18:02.16 | gorgonio | Where can I get a update hw compatible list for Debian? |
| 18:02.19 | stew | my lord |
| 18:02.20 | d | greycat: idiot |
| 18:02.21 | goccia | Alexbnk: i see no 3.4.2 but 3.4.1 in alioth |
| 18:02.34 | cadu | valdyn_: i want people to login and get a local ip address... i don't want ssh / vnc etc, i'm aware of those and i use them |
| 18:02.34 | Alexbnk | thx goccia |
| 18:02.48 | stew | d: what happened to the -p 1 and the patchfile...? |
| 18:02.55 | cadu | valdyn_: i want to get a point to point connection to my box , but over internet, is that VPN? |
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| 18:03.00 | Alexbnk | anyone any idea where are the pkgs for kde 3.4.2 ? |
| 18:03.01 | greycat | what happened to reading the README file and man patch that I suggested earlier? |
| 18:03.03 | d | stew: it hangs |
| 18:03.05 | Frafra | excuseme, what i must install for play .mp3, .avi, .mov, dvd ecc.? |
| 18:03.08 | valdyn_ | cadu: yea |
| 18:03.16 | d | patch -p 1 2.6.11-libata-dev1.patch |
| 18:03.23 | cadu | valdyn_: is it difficult to set up? |
| 18:03.26 | greycat | and you picked a fucking ANNOYING nick. I can't very well do "/lastlog d" to see what you said. |
| 18:03.32 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 18:03.36 | d | just ignore me |
| 18:03.37 | Justin | d: if you have been using linux for 5 days wtf are you patching something for |
| 18:03.37 | d | dipshit |
| 18:03.41 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 18:03.42 | greycat | life's too short for this shit. |
| 18:03.49 | Phated | !beer greycat |
| 18:03.56 | valdyn_ | d: for fucks sake : use as you were told above : "patch -p 1 < 2.6.11-libata-dev1.patch". Note the "<". |
| 18:04.09 | cadu | Phated: greycat has been overreacting this whole week |
| 18:04.11 | stew | Phated: he doesn't want a beer, he wants a peanut butter cookie |
| 18:04.19 | cadu | Phated: his moron-detect is at max sensitivity |
| 18:04.39 | d | valdyn_: you mean -p1 |
| 18:04.56 | valdyn_ | d: does that make a difference? no. |
| 18:05.04 | greycat | griffon:/usr/src/linux-2.4.31$ grep patch README |
| 18:05.07 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.07 | d | diablo:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11# patch -p 1< 2.6.11-libata-dev1.patch patch: option requires an argument -- p |
| 18:05.07 | d | patch: Try `patch --help' for more information. |
| 18:05.08 | greycat | among others. |
| 18:05.14 | d | valdyn_: guess so |
| 18:05.27 | valdyn_ | d: try a space between 1 and < |
| 18:05.31 | d | nope |
| 18:05.34 | d | it worked with -p1 |
| 18:05.53 | SimonRaven | that's stupid. it should grok -p 1 too |
| 18:06.09 | valdyn_ | d: 1< is false, if it works its just luck. |
| 18:06.12 | s_ward | it probably would have, if he remembered the space *after* the 1 |
| 18:06.17 | ma3x | how can i copy from firewire camcorder to hdd |
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| 18:06.27 | SimonRaven | cp? |
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| 18:06.48 | ma3x | SimonRaven, it's not a file on the camcorder, it's miniDV |
| 18:06.58 | Justin | valdyn_: he thinks you are wrong because "-p1 <" works but "-p 1<" doesn't |
| 18:06.59 | ma3x | that means when you play it, it has to copy 1:1 |
| 18:07.03 | d | didnt know command line entries were luck based |
| 18:07.03 | cadu | OT: where can i get help on networking setups etc on freenode? |
| 18:07.05 | cadu | (linux related) |
| 18:07.15 | valdyn_ | Justin: probably, yea |
| 18:07.16 | nkuttler | ma3x: google camera_name + linux? |
| 18:07.27 | trE0 | hi. i have a palmone (zire 72s) which can take photos, and i want download all the photo stored in it to my pc accross the usb cable. How can i do it? |
| 18:07.29 | greycat | Justin: is he a mIRC user? I can't even be bothered to find out whether CTCP works through an /ignore. |
| 18:07.39 | ma3x | nkuttler, ok thanks |
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| 18:08.19 | valdyn_ | !tell trE0 about usb_storage |
| 18:08.24 | Alexbnk | think i got it |
| 18:08.30 | cappiz | someone got an application that allows you to mount ssh drives in windows? |
| 18:08.31 | Alexbnk | deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main |
| 18:08.39 | stew | !usb_storage |
| 18:08.45 | valdyn_ | !tell trE0 about usb-storage |
| 18:08.53 | stew | !usb_storage is <reply> see usb-storage |
| 18:08.53 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 18:08.55 | magnus___ | Is support for acerhk merged with recent 2.6 kernels? |
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| 18:09.07 | trE0 | valdyn_: can i mount the palmtop like and mp3player or a pen drive? |
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| 18:09.25 | valdyn_ | trE0: maybe |
| 18:09.32 | SimonRaven | ok, mine it does grok it |
| 18:09.37 | goccia | Alexbnk: is a manintenance release as kde.org say m so no need for ubuntu me think |
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| 18:09.47 | takatumi | Alexbnk: what's the hurry? mixing packages from random distros ain't recommended. |
| 18:09.50 | ronino | hello |
| 18:10.01 | ronino | is there any way to enable the imagerotate function in PHP 4.3 on Debian 3.1? it is not provided by its gd |
| 18:10.05 | twkc72884 | whoami |
| 18:10.07 | enyc | trE0: yes... usually... most such devides work as a "scsi disk device" in linux ,.. /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc etc... |
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| 18:10.09 | SimonRaven | greycat: no, xchat |
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| 18:10.10 | ronino | or is there a fix or something |
| 18:10.14 | ThePiratemaster | hey all |
| 18:10.30 | greycat | SimonRaven: hmm. /me wonders whether xchat picks a fucktarded font. |
| 18:10.50 | SimonRaven | greycat: it's selectable. so yeh, it's possible |
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| 18:11.05 | SimonRaven | selectable by the (l)user |
| 18:11.39 | greycat | probably chose a non-fixed-width font "because it's soooooo much prettier" |
| 18:11.48 | greycat | even though it means you can't fucking read the code in front of your eyeballs |
| 18:11.51 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 18:12.12 | trE0 | enyc: i loaded the modules usb-storage and sd_mod and did a cat /proc/partitions and it doesnt show me any sd* partition |
| 18:12.20 | SimonRaven | i always go for lucidatypewriter or some other mono font if it's not there |
| 18:12.31 | enyc | trE0: what about the end of the "Dmesg" otuput? |
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| 18:12.38 | enyc | trE0: what is in "lsusb" ? |
| 18:13.05 | trE0 | enyc: s... usually... most such devides work as a "scsi disk device" in linux ,.. /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc |
| 18:13.06 | enyc | No usb in this machine and no usb-store thigns to-hand either ;-) |
| 18:13.11 | trE0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.14 | dogwater | Gah |
| 18:13.15 | trE0 | oooops |
| 18:13.15 | trE0 | sorry |
| 18:13.19 | dogwater | i hate new hardware |
| 18:13.25 | enyc | heh |
| 18:13.30 | trE0 | Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0830:0061 Palm, Inc |
| 18:13.35 | trE0 | enyc: it appears in lsusb |
| 18:13.46 | enyc | kk |
| 18:13.56 | doubletwist | leave #debian |
| 18:14.01 | doubletwist | oops |
| 18:14.02 | enyc | well.. it depedns on the device itf it wreally works as a removable media device with a supported filesystem ;-) |
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| 18:14.05 | SimonRaven | jingle dress song |
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| 18:14.27 | MrBallZ | question: I just installed Sarge on a new computer, is there a way to transfer all the settings i have from this Sarge , same KDE to that new computer? , can I just copy the /home partition ??? |
| 18:14.34 | valdyn_ | trE0: 'apt-cache search palm pilot | more', if that is what you have. |
| 18:14.34 | enyc | trE0: run "fdisk -l /dev/sda" [assuming you have no other scsi/s-ata/usb devices connected] |
| 18:14.39 | eXistenZ | hello, after I deleted the dhcp3 package, I lost my internet connection, how can I fix this? |
| 18:15.11 | enyc | you may find the palm thing works as a proprietary-interface-device or needs some special interface... |
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| 18:15.18 | valdyn_ | eXistenZ: install it again. |
| 18:15.19 | trE0 | enyc: nothing appear with it |
| 18:15.20 | saloxin | eXistenZ: heh, did you download another dhcp client before you did so? |
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| 18:15.21 | enyc | err sepcial driver |
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| 18:15.30 | swim | hey |
| 18:15.34 | enyc | trEo: what error do you get EXACTLY from fdisk -l on the device? |
| 18:15.36 | trE0 | enyc: nothing, i tryed with sdb sdc too |
| 18:15.41 | swim | can anyone tell me what cd openmosix is on? |
| 18:15.55 | enyc | trE0: so, no output AT ALL, just gets a prompt back again ? |
| 18:15.57 | trE0 | enyc: nothing... it dosnt return nothing. |
| 18:16.11 | trE0 | enyc: just prompt back |
| 18:17.03 | eXistenZ | saloxin: well, my internet was working fine, until I installed the dhcp3, it screwed up my net, so I simply deleted it. |
| 18:17.40 | eXistenZ | saloxin: Is the 'iface' command supposed to work from the terminal? because if it does, it doesn't work for me =P |
| 18:18.35 | ma3x | I have 2.6.8-2 kenel. Is it necessary to upgrade? |
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| 18:19.26 | saloxin | eXistenZ: man interfaces |
| 18:19.28 | fedeeeeeeee | hello to all |
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| 18:19.41 | saloxin | eXistenZ: you will have to temp put it up manually i think |
| 18:19.52 | cn | how can i abilite portforwarding? |
| 18:19.58 | eXistenZ | saloxin: isn't there any wizard or sth in kde |
| 18:20.06 | cn | ipforwarding |
| 18:20.33 | smhar | I have a siemens sx1 mobile phone that I want to connect to my debian system using bluetooth (any other way to connect?).. does the default kernel in etch support bluetooth? do I have to recompile the kernel? |
| 18:20.43 | eXistenZ | saloxin: I edited the /etc/network/interfaces , it still doesn't work =/ |
| 18:20.46 | stew | cn: edit /etc/network/options and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 18:21.28 | smhar | I want to be able to copy my contacts from the phone to the computer |
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| 18:22.08 | SimonRaven | and everybody's favourite, the round dance |
| 18:22.54 | FabParma | how to upgrade the kernel (from 2.4 to 2.6)? |
| 18:23.00 | PerfDave | smhar: You shouldn't need to recompile the kernel for bluetooth support. |
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| 18:23.09 | PerfDave | FabParma: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 # install one |
| 18:23.13 | vivek | FabParma: apt-get install kernel-image |
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| 18:24.12 | E-bola | Hey |
| 18:24.26 | greycat | whether that qualifies as an "upgrade" is open to debate. |
| 18:24.31 | ThePiratemaster | im trying to get my ssh users into a chrootjail on debian sarge. but when i log in i get "Could not chdir to home directory /home/jail/home/cstrike2: Permission denied. Any bright ideas on how to fix this, i copied the ssh folder for /etc and the correct libs from /lib and the /usr/bin/shh to the right places but it still wont work. some permission i need to set? please help. the server needs to work this evening and we're running out |
| 18:24.35 | SimonRaven | intertribal |
| 18:24.56 | greycat | !hurry |
| 18:24.56 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 18:25.14 | ThePiratemaster | :P |
| 18:25.21 | E-bola | I need to move a default debian installation of postgressql server to another debian box, i plan to do this by rsync'ing the /var/lib/postgres dir to the new box, the new box runs same debian version and same postgres version. Is this an ok way to do the mvoe, and is there other files i should move? |
| 18:25.41 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: when did it break? |
| 18:25.48 | eXistenZ | PerfDave: can you help me with my problem |
| 18:25.51 | Randall64 | E: I would dump the db out and import it. |
| 18:25.55 | stew | ThePiratemaster: /msg dpkg chroot ssh |
| 18:25.58 | ThePiratemaster | i just installed it |
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| 18:26.03 | stew | ThePiratemaster: in gernel its considered a big waste |
| 18:26.04 | ThePiratemaster | didnt work yet |
| 18:26.06 | greycat | "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on ours." |
| 18:26.07 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: how long have you known you needed it? :) |
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| 18:26.21 | E-bola | Randall64: got a quick way to do that? |
| 18:26.24 | ThePiratemaster | since i started the server |
| 18:26.34 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: should'a started sooner :P |
| 18:26.36 | ThePiratemaster | i moved it from win server 2003 |
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| 18:26.46 | smhar | I found a great site dealing with siemens sx1 and debian: http://home.versanet.de/~stegmann/Comp/sx1.html |
| 18:26.55 | ThePiratemaster | im just helpinmg someone out |
| 18:27.00 | ThePiratemaster | he should have started sooner |
| 18:27.02 | ma3x | why the heck mount: /media/usb: device is busy ? |
| 18:27.04 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: you need the same permissions the stuff had where it was |
| 18:27.12 | ma3x | I did lsof | grep usb and nothing shows up |
| 18:27.16 | ma3x | yet unable to mount |
| 18:27.20 | ma3x | *umount |
| 18:27.46 | ma3x | should I just unplug the device? |
| 18:28.05 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: that includes user |
| 18:28.09 | ThePiratemaster | zinx, you mean going by all the permission and resetting then with chown? |
| 18:28.13 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: and most stuff probably isn't going to work |
| 18:28.26 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: no, i mean using cp -a in the first place, like a sane person |
| 18:28.28 | saloxin | ma3x: does sync work? |
| 18:28.29 | ThePiratemaster | only ssh needs to work |
| 18:28.33 | FabParma | vivek: by apt-cache there are many kernel-image , how debian choose the right one? |
| 18:28.34 | FabParma | PerfDave: i get 20 resulrs. which is the good one? |
| 18:28.41 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: why ssh? |
| 18:28.42 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: why do they need to be chrooted? |
| 18:28.59 | ThePiratemaster | caz the users only need to run gameservers thats all |
| 18:29.08 | ma3x | saloxin, just typing 'sync' or sync /dev/sda1? |
| 18:29.15 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: Then clearly the game server needs to work as well |
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| 18:29.21 | FabParma | what is the difference between "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp" and "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686" ? |
| 18:29.23 | saloxin | ma3x: just sync |
| 18:29.26 | ThePiratemaster | they already work |
| 18:29.27 | zinx | ThePiratemaster: additionally, ssh doesn't need to work |
| 18:29.30 | greycat | FabParma: one's got smp. |
| 18:29.31 | ma3x | saloxin, it doesn't work |
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| 18:29.36 | tdonahue | hi all |
| 18:29.40 | ma3x | still bisy |
| 18:29.41 | eps | how does one dump everything in their apt cache of packages? |
| 18:29.43 | ma3x | busy* |
| 18:29.44 | SimonRaven | 49er |
| 18:29.44 | pusling | ThePiratemaster: you could look into something else like linux vserver ? |
| 18:29.46 | ThePiratemaster | could we just concentrate on fixing it |
| 18:29.49 | FabParma | greycat: which one? |
| 18:29.50 | valdyn_ | FabParma: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp and read |
| 18:29.50 | greycat | eps: dump? you mean delete? |
| 18:29.57 | greycat | FabParma: the one 'at's got -smp on it. |
| 18:30.01 | saloxin | ma3x: dead device. power cycle it, with risk of unsynced filesystem. |
| 18:30.06 | Borg^Queen | Hey people I'm tring to use Kaffeine/xine to view a dvd on a deb 3.1 setup but when I try I get this |
| 18:30.08 | Borg^Queen | The source can't be read. |
| 18:30.09 | Borg^Queen | Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (/dev/dvd) |
| 18:30.10 | eps | greycat yes |
| 18:30.14 | greycat | eps: apt-get clean |
| 18:30.17 | Borg^Queen | No plugin found to handle this resource (dvd:/) |
| 18:30.19 | eps | thanks :) |
| 18:30.23 | ThePiratemaster | linux vserver? |
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| 18:30.28 | ThePiratemaster | wats that |
| 18:30.32 | valdyn_ | !tell Borg^Queen about marillat |
| 18:30.36 | Borg^Queen | I have all the xine libs install |
| 18:30.42 | eps | mmm 1.1gig free :) |
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| 18:30.43 | pusling | ThePiratemaster: a entire virtual server |
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| 18:30.54 | saloxin | Borg^Queen: try ogle |
| 18:30.59 | Alexbnk | guys a simple Q i guess : where the packages are cached for apt on filesystem ? |
| 18:31.01 | Borg^Queen | Nothing will open a dvd |
| 18:31.05 | pusling | ThePiratemaster: linux-vserver.org |
| 18:31.09 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: there is nothing to fix. you're trying to do something l33t and unsupported and pointless. |
| 18:31.13 | Borg^Queen | not totem, not ogle, vlc |
| 18:31.29 | Alexbnk | wanna move that folder to other disk |
| 18:31.29 | ThePiratemaster | i dont think i have time to reinstall an entire virtual server in 1 evening |
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| 18:31.37 | fedeeeeeee | uff |
| 18:31.39 | s_ward | Alexbnk, /var/cache/apt/ |
| 18:31.41 | erf | Is it me or are the debian mirrors painfully slow |
| 18:31.41 | fedeeeeeee | hello to all |
| 18:31.45 | fedeeeeeee | mi first time with debian |
| 18:31.45 | ThePiratemaster | could we just concentrate on fixing the thing i have going on no? |
| 18:31.48 | greycat | erf: it's you. |
| 18:31.48 | Alexbnk | thx a lot :) |
| 18:31.51 | ThePiratemaster | *now |
| 18:31.52 | pusling | ThePiratemaster: unless you run gentoo, yes ;) |
| 18:32.04 | erf | I only download from them at 175kB/s |
| 18:32.11 | greycat | erf: awwwww. how miserable. |
| 18:32.11 | SimonRaven | ohnoz |
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| 18:32.21 | ThePiratemaster | i only run that on my own server |
| 18:32.27 | erf | greycat, exactly |
| 18:32.31 | greycat | "I *only* get three times greycat's theoretical max download speed! WAAAAH!" |
| 18:32.31 | SimonRaven | try 1.5 and then tell me you're 'suffering' |
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| 18:32.46 | nkuttler | erf: start your local mirror... |
| 18:32.51 | Borg^Queen | saloxin: thanks, I used a back trace on ogle, |
| 18:32.57 | erf | greycat, it is when I should get 390kB/s |
| 18:33.04 | Borg^Queen | it told me what was wrong (I hope) |
| 18:33.04 | Randall64 | US bandwidth is really pretty bad. |
| 18:33.05 | eXistenZ | I need the dhcp-client package for my debian, I cannot download it from there, where else can I download it from and move it to debian |
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| 18:33.17 | SimonRaven | stop whining please |
| 18:33.17 | ThePiratemaster | but what can i do to fix it |
| 18:33.18 | erf | nkuttler, I would but I'd still have to download the fucking files |
| 18:33.29 | ThePiratemaster | is there a fats way to set all the permissions? |
| 18:33.34 | SimonRaven | *plonked* |
| 18:33.37 | ThePiratemaster | *fast |
| 18:33.38 | greycat | erf: clean your room while it's downloading. |
| 18:33.44 | Borg^Queen | ERROR[ogle_nav]: faild to open/read the DVD |
| 18:33.44 | Borg^Queen | DVDSetDVDRoot:: Root not set |
| 18:33.45 | Borg^Queen | ok I got this |
| 18:33.45 | erf | It is clean |
| 18:33.48 | valdyn_ | erf: if kernel.org ( and plenty other debian mirrors ), its not their fault but your isps |
| 18:33.58 | nkuttler | erf: talk to your girlfriend |
| 18:33.58 | valdyn_ | erf: if kernel.org ( and plenty other debian mirrors ), cant saturate that bit, its not their fault but your isps |
| 18:34.08 | SimonRaven | ThePiratemaster: yeh, rm -rf /the/chroot stop wasting your time |
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| 18:34.42 | ThePiratemaster | simonraven, that nmakes no sense, i need to get it running |
| 18:34.43 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: look into debootstrap. that is the LAST hint I'll give you. |
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| 18:35.59 | Borg^Queen | anyone? |
| 18:36.12 | zetor | hello! |
| 18:36.21 | greycat | Borg^Queen: uh... wrong device? no DVD in the drive? no DVDCSS libs? |
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| 18:36.46 | Borg^Queen | Correct drive, dvd in there, dvdcss installed |
| 18:37.07 | MrBallZ | question: I just installed Sarge on a new computer, is there a way to transfer all the settings i have from this Sarge , same KDE to that new computer? , can I just copy the /home partition ??? |
| 18:37.29 | valdyn_ | Borg^Queen: can you cat '/dev/dvd > dvd.iso' ? |
| 18:37.32 | tdonahue | anyone know the command to see the compile options for a package, like php for example? |
| 18:37.41 | valdyn_ | Borg^Queen: can you 'cat /dev/dvd > dvd.iso' ? |
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| 18:38.13 | Borg^Queen | valdyn_: Nope |
| 18:38.19 | greycat | tdonahue: get the source (or at least the .diff.gz) and read the debian/rules file. BUT I AM GOING TO READ YOUR MIND! *zzzzzzzz* YOU DO NOT CARE WHAT OPTIONS WERE USED TO COMPILE PHP4! YOU ONLY NEED TO apt-get install THE MISSING MODULES! |
| 18:38.35 | greycat | at least this one provided an "example" |
| 18:38.39 | valdyn_ | Borg^Queen: in that case the error has nothing to do with xine or dvdcss |
| 18:38.56 | Borg^Queen | valdyn_: thannks I'll look elsewhere then |
| 18:39.01 | Borg^Queen | Maybe its machanical |
| 18:39.04 | greycat | who wants to bet the missing module is php4-mysql? |
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| 18:39.09 | valdyn_ | Borg^Queen: but that the dvd is broken or your drive canot read that dvd. |
| 18:39.13 | stew | greycat: my money goes on gd |
| 18:39.26 | Borg^Queen | Maybe the dvd gave out, its 6 years old |
| 18:39.34 | tdonahue | greycat, actually i do care how php was compiled... horde (which i'm trying to install) requires the compile time option --with-imap to be enabled |
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| 18:39.46 | greycat | arc1:~$ apt-cache search php imap |
| 18:39.47 | greycat | php4-imap - IMAP module for php4 |
| 18:39.50 | valdyn_ | Borg^Queen: its a burned dvd? |
| 18:39.53 | stew | damn |
| 18:39.58 | SimonRaven | tdonahue: php4-imap .... |
| 18:39.58 | Borg^Queen | Nope, stamped |
| 18:40.06 | Borg^Queen | AAAH HA!, |
| 18:40.08 | SimonRaven | sheesh. |
| 18:40.12 | Borg^Queen | the read laser isn't starting up |
| 18:40.18 | greycat | bad lser! |
| 18:40.19 | Borg^Queen | Thanks people |
| 18:40.21 | greycat | +a |
| 18:40.22 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 18:40.24 | tdonahue | SimonRaven, not the pear module, this needs to be the internal module... |
| 18:40.26 | SimonRaven | @be apt-cache search barbie |
| 18:40.27 | Borg^Queen | Aye, bad laser. |
| 18:40.29 | GlingON | sk98lin isn't working with my yukron ethernet can anyone help? |
| 18:40.35 | SimonRaven | be apt-cache search barbie |
| 18:40.38 | SimonRaven | !be apt-cache search barbie |
| 18:40.41 | Borg^Queen | ok time for a new dvd ----- Hmm a dvdrw, yeah that's it |
| 18:40.43 | Borg^Queen | bbl |
| 18:40.43 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 18:40.45 | Borg^Queen | Thanks people |
| 18:40.49 | greycat | SimonRaven: "be a ... barbie" for the generic one |
| 18:40.52 | valdyn_ | GlingON: that's possible, try a newer kernel. |
| 18:40.55 | SimonRaven | tdonahue: no it doesn't |
| 18:41.02 | Borg^Queen | val |
| 18:41.04 | valdyn_ | GlingON: or buy a supported adapter next time. |
| 18:41.05 | stew | !be a using factoids barbie |
| 18:41.06 | dpkg | Aww, using factoids is hard! Let's go shopping, stew |
| 18:41.10 | Borg^Queen | valdyn_: Thanks for your clues |
| 18:41.13 | SimonRaven | greycat: thanks |
| 18:41.14 | GlingON | hehe, or just use anohter distro |
| 18:41.22 | valdyn_ | Borg^Queen: welcome |
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| 18:41.28 | Borg^Queen | :D |
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| 18:42.06 | GlingON | so if i'm using the minimal install cd, can i still throw in a new kernel? |
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| 18:42.25 | greycat | !custom d-i |
| 18:42.26 | dpkg | custom d-i is probably http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 18:42.43 | SimonRaven | tdonahue: i've installed horde several times, all on debian boxen, just fucking go apt-get install php4-imap |
| 18:42.43 | greycat | or did you mean a new kernel *after* installation? that's easier. |
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| 18:43.06 | GlingON | but i need my ethenet to get all the packets |
| 18:43.13 | greycat | !custom d-i |
| 18:43.13 | dpkg | it has been said that custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 18:43.17 | deeku | anybody here use an ibook (with linux, or X11), and want to talk to me about their experience switching from linux? :) |
| 18:43.23 | greycat | or buy a $10 PCI NIC that works. |
| 18:43.25 | stew | GlingON: what ethernet? what kernel do you need? |
| 18:43.28 | SimonRaven | ClingOn, WillNots |
| 18:43.37 | valdyn_ | GlingON: get the first sarge cdrom and burn a couple kernel-image debs on a 2nd cdrom? |
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| 18:43.39 | GlingON | yukron, |
| 18:43.41 | SimonRaven | DingleBerries |
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| 18:43.52 | GlingON | i don't know what kernel i need, i just wnat my card to work |
| 18:43.59 | SimonRaven | s_ward: they took a walk. they're on strike |
| 18:44.00 | valdyn_ | GlingON: you probably mean 'Yukon' |
| 18:44.01 | mink | if i'm behind a NT authentication is there any way to do a netinstall for debian? |
| 18:44.02 | tdonahue | SimonRaven, I'm just trying to follow the install instructions that are provided with the software, if you say that it will work with the php4-imap package I will try that first |
| 18:44.04 | GlingON | yeah |
| 18:44.27 | SimonRaven | tdonahue: read the README.Debian's instead |
| 18:44.35 | valdyn_ | GlingON: try google too, some adapters just are not supported. |
| 18:44.51 | GlingON | i've googled it to hell and high waters |
| 18:44.59 | GlingON | they all say the sk98xx should work |
| 18:45.13 | tdonahue | SimonRaven, I'm not using the debian package, i am using the CVS version because I want access to some of the newer packages that Debian does not have |
| 18:45.32 | GlingON | gonna try a new kernel or just move on to slackware. |
| 18:45.44 | GlingON | thanks for the help everyone. |
| 18:45.50 | stew | GlingON: if you use "linux26" it should work |
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| 18:45.58 | SimonRaven | tdonahue: still need it. might needsome pear shit depending what the test.php says |
| 18:45.58 | nunez | debian users get all the pussy |
| 18:45.59 | stew | GlingON: at the boot: prompt of the installer that is |
| 18:46.04 | DoppelGanger | h aha |
| 18:46.06 | mink | anyone? how to use apt-get via NT proxy? is it possible? |
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| 18:46.26 | SimonRaven | tdonahue: test.php or or something like it, i think it's test.php |
| 18:46.29 | GlingON | stew, what do you mean? |
| 18:46.30 | DoppelGanger | nunez: where's the proof |
| 18:46.33 | valdyn_ | mink: why wouldnt it be possible? |
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| 18:46.43 | mink | well where do you type the login info |
| 18:46.49 | mink | is my q, I can't find anything on this ;\ |
| 18:46.50 | asg | valdyn_: does the install support NTLM though? |
| 18:47.03 | stew | GlingON: when you boot the debian installer you get a boot: prompt. at the prompt type linux26<enter> you will install with a 2.6 kenrel which suports sk98xx |
| 18:47.05 | riot | Hi. How do i switch the default soundcard? |
| 18:47.07 | valdyn_ | asg: no idea. |
| 18:47.18 | GlingON | oh dig it!! |
| 18:47.24 | LSorensen | riot: depends on the driver you use |
| 18:47.26 | GlingON | thanks a bunch. |
| 18:47.29 | asg | valdyn_: if he's being authed against an ISA proxy, it most likely will be. |
| 18:47.41 | riot | LSorensen: alsa. Got a sblive and a nvidia nforce2 |
| 18:47.42 | GlingON | i'll be back when (rather if) that don't work |
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| 18:47.56 | LSorensen | riot: well you can add the drivers in the order you want in /etc/modules |
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| 18:48.08 | LSorensen | riot: or you can perhaos write a .asoundrc to control your preference |
| 18:48.14 | SimonRaven | watch him not come back unless something breaks |
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| 18:48.26 | tdonahue | SimonRaven, thanks, I know that, i just didn't know if the compile options were installed by default anywhere or if I needed to get them through the source |
| 18:48.32 | mink | anyone? how to use apt-get i mean the orignal install part via NT proxy? is it possible? |
| 18:48.51 | LSorensen | mink: is it plain http proxy compatible? |
| 18:48.54 | asg | tdonahue: put '<?phpinfo();?> in a file, hit it with a browser. The top will show you all compile time options. |
| 18:49.05 | mink | yes I think so |
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| 18:49.08 | mink | LSorensen |
| 18:49.15 | mink | is it something i can put in the source.list |
| 18:49.17 | mink | ? |
| 18:49.20 | SimonRaven | tdonahue: most of the stuff needed is in debian already. sid got some pear modules yesterday |
| 18:49.20 | LSorensen | mink: or is it an ancient socks proxy? |
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| 18:49.24 | mink | not socks |
| 18:49.27 | riot | LSorensen: so, the order in /etc/modules defines the order of the created devices? interesting. |
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| 18:49.28 | mink | nt proxy |
| 18:49.31 | mink | nt web proxy |
| 18:49.34 | LSorensen | mink: during install it asks if you want to use a proxy. I think apt-setup asks too. |
| 18:49.37 | SimonRaven | ew |
| 18:49.39 | GlingON | so that most certainly work! |
| 18:49.41 | mink | yeah no that won't work |
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| 18:49.45 | krenin | hi |
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| 18:49.53 | LSorensen | mink: and you enter http://proxyserver:proxyport |
| 18:50.12 | mink | hrm how would I get the ip of the proxy server |
| 18:50.18 | mink | on win, it just pops up when we try to hit internet |
| 18:50.30 | LSorensen | mink: so it's configured to auto detect proxy settings |
| 18:50.35 | mink | ahh k |
| 18:50.38 | mink | i got it now |
| 18:50.38 | mink | thx |
| 18:50.42 | LSorensen | mink: there should be a way to find out what those settings are |
| 18:50.51 | LSorensen | mink: then use those |
| 18:50.54 | krenin | how's it going, debian peoples |
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| 18:51.00 | LSorensen | mink: or ask the network admin |
| 18:51.42 | tdonahue | SimonRaven, asg, thanks for your help |
| 18:51.51 | SimonRaven | s'ok |
| 18:52.21 | invisibility | hi, how can i save the changes after changing the enviroment variables? i can change the variables with declare or export commands but after i log out and log in again i see that everything is same as the older ones. |
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| 18:53.02 | stew | invisibility: you cannot, you must edit the dotfiles |
| 18:53.18 | greycat | !wikifaq invisibility DotFiles |
| 18:53.19 | dpkg | invisibility: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:54.01 | invisibility | hmm ok.. thank you |
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| 18:56.59 | web | linux to this solaris 9 ssh tunnel, i get channel 2: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed (on the sun) any ideas? |
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| 18:57.15 | ma3x | how to give access to /dev/raw1394 to user ma3x? what chmod? |
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| 18:57.44 | greycat | who else needs access to it? |
| 18:57.48 | tnks | hi all. I'm really confused why the Debian kernel needs to be different from the stock www.kernel.org kernels. I switched over to the normal kernels a while ago, and they seem to work fine with make-kpkg. What does the Debian kernel offer? |
| 18:57.54 | greycat | put 'em all in one group, chgrp, chmod g+rw |
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| 18:58.23 | greycat | assuming "access" means rw |
| 18:58.31 | streuner | hm |
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| 18:58.37 | ma3x | greycat, yes |
| 18:58.48 | ma3x | i need to give access to ma3x to /dev/raw1394 |
| 18:59.08 | riot | thx, LSorensen! Works like a charm. |
| 18:59.14 | greycat | 14:57 greycat> put 'em all in one group, chgrp, chmod g+rw |
| 18:59.27 | KeeganW | I currently have ubuntu installed on my machine, this is my first time using linux, and I am having trouble getting ndiswrapper to work, would this be any easier using debian? |
| 18:59.27 | ma3x | how to put 'em all in one group? |
| 18:59.43 | greycat | man group; vigr |
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| 19:00.17 | greycat | KeeganW: no, ndiswrapper is evil no matter what. |
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| 19:00.39 | greycat | you should take your hardware BACK for a refund and demand hardware that is Open and works in Linux. |
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| 19:00.49 | KeeganW | gretcat: what can I do? I am trying to get help from the ubuntu IRC, but no one seems able to help |
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| 19:01.01 | greycat | #ndiswrapper has 14 people. |
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| 19:01.17 | ma3x | greycat, can I just put the newgroup in /etc/group ? |
| 19:01.17 | KeeganW | they are not talking though |
| 19:01.22 | stew | KeeganW: /msg dpkg piav |
| 19:01.22 | greycat | or you could do the Right Thing and take the shit back to the store. |
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| 19:01.35 | ma3x | because in man group, I didn't see how to make new group |
| 19:01.36 | greycat | ma3x: yes. |
| 19:01.39 | jetx | buurp |
| 19:01.40 | ma3x | ok thanks greycat |
| 19:01.54 | stew | ma3x: groupadd firewire |
| 19:01.58 | stew | or whatever |
| 19:02.05 | SimonRaven | i'd take it back to the store and get a supported piece of h/w |
| 19:02.28 | SimonRaven | (oh, even better, do that in the first place ;) |
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| 19:03.49 | stew | KeeganW: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 19:03.53 | streuner | that's no reason to get the money back... |
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| 19:04.26 | KeeganW | dpkg is currently not answering |
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| 19:04.38 | KeeganW | I will wait a bit, and see if he doesn;t pick up |
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| 19:04.45 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 19:04.46 | dpkg | hello, streuner |
| 19:04.49 | greycat | yes he is. |
| 19:04.53 | stew | !tell KeeganW about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 19:05.03 | ma3x | this is really annoying |
| 19:05.05 | greycat | chatzilla. hmm. |
| 19:05.13 | archpollux | i'm doing ssh -X into a machine and i get this message: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. |
| 19:05.15 | ma3x | i get all the time the IEEE1394 sybsystem is not responding |
| 19:05.25 | stew | archpollux: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 19:05.36 | ma3x | the raw1394 module must be loaded , and you must have read/write access to /dev/raw1394 |
| 19:05.56 | stew | ma3x: type "groups" does the new group show up? |
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| 19:06.49 | ma3x | stew: if i type groups with user ma3x, it doesnt show up, and with root, yes! |
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| 19:07.01 | zaggy | just did an upgrade in stable... Apache can't load, it's saying: Invalid command 'SSLDisable', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 19:07.04 | zaggy | any clues? |
| 19:07.17 | zaggy | (using apache-ssl) |
| 19:07.22 | greycat | find that in the conf file, comment it out. |
| 19:07.24 | stew | ma3x: log out and back in to get the group priveleges you just gave yourself |
| 19:07.27 | dwerf | how do i install flash player for firefox manually if it doesn't do it automatically? |
| 19:07.35 | Allan_linux | joim smi |
| 19:07.45 | greycat | dwerf: symlink the .so from /usr/lib/whatever/plugins/ |
| 19:07.52 | Allan_linux | cacete |
| 19:07.56 | Allan_linux | porra |
| 19:08.12 | ma3x | stew no hope |
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| 19:08.16 | MrBallZ | Question: I just installed Sarge on a new computer, is there a way to transfer all the settings i have from this Sarge , same KDE to that new computer? , can I just copy the /home partition ??? |
| 19:08.19 | stew | ma3x: huh? |
| 19:08.21 | FumSeck_ | hi all |
| 19:08.32 | ma3x | stew: and if i use dvgrab it says raw1394 - failed to get handle: No such file or directory. |
| 19:08.51 | ma3x | now i googled for that and it showed me that i need to create a link |
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| 19:09.00 | ma3x | i did create the sym. link but it didnt help |
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| 19:09.07 | Allan_linux | o meu q porra isso aki eu nao comcigo entrar em canal nenhum |
| 19:09.25 | streuner | Allan_linux: #kurumin |
| 19:09.37 | greycat | !br |
| 19:09.37 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:09.57 | Allan_linux | a i valeu |
| 19:10.04 | stew | ma3x: you still get No such file or directory? |
| 19:10.21 | stew | ma3x: use strace to figrure out what file its looking for |
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| 19:11.09 | ma3x | stew: open("/dev/raw1394", O_RDWR) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 19:11.22 | archpollux | stew: i already had xauth installed... i upgraded it, but i still get the same warning |
| 19:11.33 | ma3x | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root firewire 16 2005-08-05 20:49 /dev/raw1394 -> /dev/raw/raw1394 |
| 19:11.45 | valdyn_ | MrBallZ: yes |
| 19:11.54 | stew | archpollux: everything you need is in that factoid. if its now working, /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 19:12.00 | stew | archpollux: you have it install on both ends? |
| 19:12.05 | greycat | ma3x: ls -ld /dev/raw /dev/raw/raw1394 |
| 19:12.10 | archpollux | stew: yep |
| 19:12.12 | stew | ma3x: ls -l /dev/raw/raw1394? |
| 19:12.15 | occy | apt-get --purge remove apache && apt-get --purge remove apache2 |
| 19:12.24 | occy | I can't seem to get rid of all of the apache files. |
| 19:12.33 | occy | I want to reinstall apache (1) |
| 19:12.34 | greycat | occy: rm the rest by hand. |
| 19:12.41 | ma3x | ls: /dev/raw/raw1394: No such file or directory |
| 19:12.44 | occy | greycat, don't really know where they are :( |
| 19:12.45 | valdyn_ | occy: apt-get remove --purge apache-common |
| 19:12.48 | stew | ma3x: there you go |
| 19:12.53 | occy | valdyn_, k |
| 19:12.54 | greycat | occy: then what makes you think they're not gone? |
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| 19:12.57 | mikeX | OT, but is anyone familiar with (n)curses programming? i can't figure out how to read keys while printing at the same time (aka without waiting at some 'getch()' call) |
| 19:13.00 | ma3x | stew: but why is it missing? |
| 19:13.07 | occy | greycat, well, it's pointing to apache2-default/ dir |
| 19:13.08 | occy | heh |
| 19:13.10 | greycat | mikeX: try ##c |
| 19:13.11 | occy | when I go to mysite.com |
| 19:13.15 | stew | ma3x: it was never created |
| 19:13.18 | MrBallZ | valdyn_: so, can i just copy the /home partition , overwrite the current one , and that would be it ? |
| 19:13.18 | greycat | occy: ls /var/www |
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| 19:13.29 | mikeX | greycat, ok :P |
| 19:13.30 | archpollux | stew: i think the problem is with xauth on the client part... |
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| 19:13.40 | ma3x | I thought it should be automatically created when I plugin the camcorder |
| 19:13.48 | ma3x | anyway how can I create it? |
| 19:13.51 | archpollux | stew: sshd -d doesn't show much |
| 19:13.57 | stew | ma3x: do you use udev? |
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| 19:14.18 | ma3x | I'm newbie when it comes to that |
| 19:14.25 | stew | ma3x: dpkg -l udev |
| 19:14.30 | valdyn_ | MrBallZ: to some extent of 'it' is, it doesnt affect things done in /etc or elsewhere. |
| 19:14.42 | ma3x | it says ii which means installed i guess |
| 19:14.42 | occy | when I go to: mysite.com I get: http://mysite.com/apache2-default/ |
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| 19:14.50 | occy | greycat, yeah saw that. |
| 19:14.57 | occy | valdyn_, did that... hmmm |
| 19:15.06 | FumSeck_ | You can vote for a friend has me : http://www.gros-boulet.com/election.php?voteid=133 Thx |
| 19:15.08 | ma3x | what to do with udev? |
| 19:15.26 | stew | ma3x: you need to configure udev to create /dev/raw1394 |
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| 19:15.31 | occy | I just want it clean as if there was nothing installed as far as apache is concerned. |
| 19:15.32 | Eclipser | occy, add an index.html to the www root and/or reconfigure apache? |
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| 19:15.57 | ma3x | stew, can you please check https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-December/msg07375.html |
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| 19:16.01 | ma3x | are those instructions ok? |
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| 19:16.06 | greycat | occy: if you purge the packages (including apache-common and so on) *and* the /var/www contents *and* the logs, it should be. |
| 19:16.06 | Draconicus | Which is more practical, swapping harddrives and using the net install disc to format a harddrive with Debian for my somewhat demented 486, or using some weird partition managing app? |
| 19:16.09 | greycat | one would hope. |
| 19:16.13 | stew | ma3x: no |
| 19:16.20 | occy | greycat, odd |
| 19:16.30 | ma3x | stew: but how to create it? |
| 19:16.31 | stew | ma3x: mknod is for static /dev, google for udev and raw11394 |
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| 19:16.49 | MrBallZ | valdyn_: what problems could happen if i just copy the /home partition to the fresh installl ????? |
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| 19:17.04 | rob__newbie | I have beep media player and am having problems. I have installed codacs and plugins, changed the audio out to esound and I am still not haveing any sucess in it playing anything. Anyone have any ideas? I have googled it and others are having the same problem but I am at a dead in. |
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| 19:17.09 | eXistenZ | I got 512MB ram, how much shall I allocate swap for it |
| 19:17.11 | stew | ma3x: and get rid of the /dev/raw1394 symlink to nowhere that you created |
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| 19:17.18 | valdyn_ | MrBallZ: just try it. |
| 19:17.20 | ma3x | stew: mknod -m 666 /dev/raw1394 c 171 0 |
| 19:17.25 | shingouz | Draconicus: do it with the sarge floppies if the thing does not boot off a cd |
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| 19:17.36 | stew | 15:16 < stew> ma3x: mknod is for static /dev, google for udev and raw11394 |
| 19:17.44 | KeeganW | stew: I entered what you reccomended and it returned: bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 19:17.46 | KeeganW | root@Keegan:/home/keegan # apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i |
| 19:17.48 | KeeganW | Reading package lists... Done |
| 19:17.49 | KeeganW | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 19:17.51 | KeeganW | build-essential is already the newest version. |
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| 19:17.52 | KeeganW | Package ndiswrapper-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:17.58 | greycat | !pal udev |
| 19:18.15 | greycat | KeeganW: contrib? non-free? |
| 19:18.15 | stew | KeeganW: sorry, can't help then i don't know anything about your ubuntu repositories |
| 19:18.21 | occy | argh |
| 19:18.22 | occy | heh |
| 19:18.23 | stew | KeeganW: best i can do is give you the debian answer |
| 19:18.29 | occy | it keeps redirecting to the apache2 dir |
| 19:18.29 | cn | how i abilite nat/masquerading? |
| 19:18.30 | stew | KeeganW: and /msg is an irc command, not a shell command |
| 19:18.31 | occy | hehe |
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| 19:18.53 | Eclipser | occy, did you purge all apache stuff? |
| 19:18.58 | greycat | stew: this is the *other* reason we don't support ubuntu users here. They tend to be not very bright. |
| 19:19.05 | valdyn_ | occy: and? how is that unusual? |
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| 19:20.06 | occy | Eclipser, yup... apt-get -apt-get remove --purge apache |
| 19:20.09 | occy | err |
| 19:20.12 | occy | apt-get remove --purge apache |
| 19:20.14 | occy | ugh |
| 19:20.17 | occy | I can't paste even |
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| 19:20.28 | occy | apt-get remove --purge apache-common |
| 19:20.34 | occy | I did that |
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| 19:20.38 | occy | nuked everything in /var/www |
| 19:20.39 | shingouz | occy: and you should not paste here in anycase |
| 19:20.50 | occy | shingouz, it's one line |
| 19:20.57 | Zap-W | anyone know a free virus scanner for debianized samba in sarge? |
| 19:20.59 | occy | no need for pastebin.com |
| 19:21.06 | occy | shingouz, :P |
| 19:21.09 | KeeganW | what if I wanted to replace ubuntu with debian? How hard would that be? (I am dual-booting) |
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| 19:21.19 | shingouz | Zap-W: how about apt-cache search virus ? |
| 19:21.21 | valdyn_ | occy: if you want to change apache2's default settings then purging it isnt the way to go. |
| 19:21.34 | Eclipser | valdyn_, he wants to remove all apache stuff :) |
| 19:21.35 | ma3x | When I type raw devices, I get this cannot open master raw device '/dev/rawctl' (No such file or directory) |
| 19:21.44 | shingouz | KeeganW: install debian. nuke the ubuntu and install debian |
| 19:21.49 | occy | valdyn_, I don't want to change apache2's settings. I want apache2 to go away. |
| 19:21.52 | shingouz | !d-i KeeganW |
| 19:21.53 | dpkg | KeeganW, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:21.55 | occy | I only want apache |
| 19:22.04 | occy | apache++ |
| 19:22.08 | occy | apache2-- |
| 19:22.09 | occy | heh |
| 19:22.15 | Eclipser | occy, apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-common |
| 19:22.19 | Eclipser | how's that+ |
| 19:22.22 | occy | Eclipser, ahhhhhhh |
| 19:22.23 | occy | ok |
| 19:22.24 | occy | sorry |
| 19:22.39 | ma3x | stew: why not static device with 'mknod'? |
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| 19:22.41 | valdyn_ | occy: apt-get remove --purge apache2-mpm-worker apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-mpm-perchild |
| 19:22.44 | ma3x | what's the problem if its static? |
| 19:23.01 | ma3x | stew: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=289550&highlight=dvgrab |
| 19:23.08 | stew | ma3x: you need to learn about udev ; /usr/share/doc/udev/* ; or you need to figure out why you depend on it in the first place. gnome-volume-manager? |
| 19:23.28 | Eclipser | does apt-get remove --purge apache2* work?-p |
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| 19:23.54 | EfaistOs | To use a scanner I have to add an user to which groups ? only saned and scanner ? |
| 19:23.58 | ma3x | oh boy, im never gonna make it |
| 19:24.06 | stew | ma3x: the ENTIRE point of udev is that you don't create devices yourself |
| 19:24.12 | occy | Eclipser, YES! |
| 19:24.14 | occy | :) |
| 19:24.17 | occy | Eclipser++ |
| 19:24.20 | occy | :) |
| 19:24.23 | greycat | what in the HELL? sarge i386 box, vim says "libncurses.so.3.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 19:24.31 | occy | valdyn_, got it, danke ;) |
| 19:24.37 | occy | hey, thanks guys, greycat thank you too |
| 19:24.42 | Draconicus | Huh... the power went out briefly. |
| 19:24.43 | occy | you guys, as always, roxx0r |
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| 19:24.45 | greycat | argh! never mind. |
| 19:24.48 | greycat | my $PATH is fucked. |
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| 19:24.55 | ma3x | stew: I understand that |
| 19:24.57 | Eclipser | heh |
| 19:25.01 | occy | Eclipser, :) |
| 19:25.09 | ma3x | But can't you just tell me what to change and I type the command and it works |
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| 19:25.35 | ma3x | otherwise I'll have to search till tomorrow, and most probably w/o success |
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| 19:25.56 | Eclipser | ma3x, it's generally better to figure out things by yourself so that you'd understand how it works and can do it correctly the next tiem |
| 19:26.23 | Eclipser | google should have pretty good material for it |
| 19:26.31 | shingouz | ma3x: you need to know what the hell is going on there to begin with. after you know what is going on it is easy to correct the problem. there is no magic command to "just type and it works". |
| 19:26.51 | ma3x | Ok, first what's going on? 1. no /dev/raw1394 exists |
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| 19:26.52 | ma3x | right? |
| 19:26.59 | bruce2 | hello. Can someone help me. I bought an HP external hard disk for my debian 2.4.27 system but its read only |
| 19:27.01 | ma3x | is that the whole problem? |
| 19:27.14 | stew | ma3x: what did you add to the udev configuration for raw1394? |
| 19:27.20 | Eclipser | bruce2, did you try mounting it read-write? |
| 19:27.31 | megatux | does anyone know how exactly the Sun java binaries search for their libraries? I'm getting the "could not find libjava.so" error in a diskless NFS environment |
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| 19:27.40 | marko | Could someone point a groovier way to avoid iptables log messages on tty:s than using --log-level debug? Would this even do the trick? |
| 19:27.40 | sparkx | hi everyone |
| 19:27.46 | bruce2 | does anyone no, its the default preformatted device type |
| 19:27.52 | ma3x | stew: nothing |
| 19:27.56 | megatux | (package created by Debian's java-package) |
| 19:28.03 | bruce2 | here is the output of fdisk -p /dev/sda5 |
| 19:28.06 | Eclipser | bruce2, did you try mounting it read-write?... |
| 19:28.09 | ma3x | I tried to read up on http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=289550&highlight=dvgrab but that's probably for another linux |
| 19:28.15 | shingouz | bruce2: do not paste here |
| 19:28.15 | stew | ma3x: ok you don't want to spend all day searching. i'll make you a deal, i'm going to google for "udev raw1394" like i told you to, if the answer is on the first result, you get /ignored |
| 19:28.16 | Eclipser | bruce2, don't paste here :) |
| 19:28.17 | bruce2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.22 | KeeganW | chingouz: How would I go about "nuking ubuntu" as u put it? |
| 19:28.22 | stew | if not i'll help you find it |
| 19:28.23 | shingouz | jfc... |
| 19:28.24 | bruce2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.34 | ma3x | ah stew no please |
| 19:28.39 | shingouz | KeeganW: reformat the linux partitions |
| 19:28.41 | bruce2 | I mounte d it read write |
| 19:28.57 | bruce2 | sda1 2 19457 156280320 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 19:29.06 | KeeganW | shingouz: How would I go about "nuking Ubuntu"? |
| 19:29.08 | shingouz | bruce2: stop pasting here |
| 19:29.13 | bruce2 | sda5 2 19457 156280288+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 19:29.18 | ma3x | but stew: the first result is" Firewire, udev, no /dev/raw1394...why?" |
| 19:29.22 | shingouz | KeeganW: for the second time: format the linux partition |
| 19:29.24 | valdyn_ | !ntfs |
| 19:29.24 | dpkg | ntfs is probably Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 19:29.33 | KeeganW | shingouz: can I use the rescue cd to do this (sry didn't see above post) |
| 19:29.38 | ma3x | and then come some ubuntu forums which are not working |
| 19:29.38 | bruce2 | I'd like it to be read write on both winxXP and linux |
| 19:29.48 | shingouz | KeeganW: what rescue cd? |
| 19:29.49 | Eclipser | bruce2, write support for ntfs is not safe |
| 19:29.56 | Eclipser | you need fat32 |
| 19:30.01 | stew | ma3x: hold on its only going to take me a moment to install udev on this machine to verify that you are going on my ignore list... |
| 19:30.01 | bruce2 | I am accesssing fofrom root |
| 19:30.14 | ma3x | stew: noooooo please :( |
| 19:30.15 | valdyn_ | bruce2: mkfs.vfat on it, ntfs cannot be written to properly from linux |
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| 19:30.20 | megatux | bruce2: you can use captive NTFS to do read-write support using a copy of the windows drivers |
| 19:30.22 | bruce2 | will fat32 allow r/w access from linux? |
| 19:30.24 | zaggy | Syntax error on line 58 of /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf: |
| 19:30.24 | zaggy | Invalid command 'SSLDisable', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 19:30.32 | zaggy | any ideas? happened right after a debian-stable upgrade |
| 19:30.36 | ma3x | bruce2, Don't use captive or anything, just DON'T write to ntfs |
| 19:30.43 | Eclipser | bruce2, yes, fat32 works |
| 19:30.48 | bruce2 | I'd rather reformat the disk. Its doesnt have anythiing on it. |
| 19:31.01 | bruce2 | how do I reformat it for fat32 then? |
| 19:31.15 | valdyn_ | bruce2: mkfs.vfat |
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| 19:31.26 | Eclipser | doesn't he need to change the partition type too? |
| 19:31.27 | ma3x | stew, I 've found a nice site about udev http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 19:31.31 | mememe | has someone ever installed cpanel on debian? |
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| 19:31.32 | ma3x | but don't see anything about firewire |
| 19:31.35 | valdyn_ | Eclipser: no |
| 19:31.48 | Technel | Does anyone know of a good IDE that supports PHP and subversion that is in the Debian stable package repository? kdevelop doesn't work with SVN for some reason, Eclipse and Jedit (not really an IDE) are Java, so Debian doesn't support them.. |
| 19:31.52 | KeeganW | shingouz: this one: http://www.sysresccd.org/download.en.php |
| 19:32.03 | saloxin | bruce2: -F32 i think |
| 19:32.06 | bruce2 | I don't hve mkfs.vfat |
| 19:32.18 | valdyn_ | Eclipser: actually, i dont know what windows will do with the partition id, linux however does not need it. |
| 19:32.23 | shingouz | KeeganW: is that linux? i am too lazy to download some stuff now |
| 19:32.24 | bruce2 | is it mkfs -vtat? |
| 19:32.39 | bruce2 | or mkfs vfat? |
| 19:32.40 | KeeganW | yes, I think it was based on the gentoo system |
| 19:32.43 | Eclipser | !mkfs.vfat |
| 19:32.43 | dpkg | methinks mkfs.vfat is apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat |
| 19:32.44 | valdyn_ | bruce2: mkfs.vfat ( for the 3rd time ) |
| 19:32.46 | saloxin | bruce2: dostools or search on http://packages.debian.org |
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| 19:33.15 | bruce2 | ok |
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| 19:33.41 | bruce2 | do I tell mkfs.var the device? I.e. mkfs.vat /dev/sda5? |
| 19:33.51 | KeeganW | shingouz: it has the qtparted on it, that I used to create the current partition for ubuntu |
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| 19:34.09 | shingouz | KeeganW: if you are comfortable with it and it has mkfs on it.. sure. or you can just slap in the sarge instal cd and boot onto it, just make sure it formats the partitions that used to have ubuntu on them. if you install debian on top of the ubuntu you will not find one single person on the planet who would support you |
| 19:34.27 | Eclipser | bruce2, man mkfs.vfat |
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| 19:34.37 | shingouz | KeeganW: qtparted... ewww... clickyclicky... eugh. fdisk |
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| 19:34.43 | Eclipser | bruce2, learn to find information by yourself |
| 19:34.55 | Shadowcat | heh debian on top of ubuntu |
| 19:35.00 | Shadowcat | what a mess that'd make |
| 19:35.05 | bruce2 | I dont't think I need to reboot |
| 19:35.09 | KeeganW | shingouz: is there a piece of software that would work better? |
| 19:35.20 | shingouz | Shadowcat: that is why finding someone to support it would be impossible |
| 19:35.22 | Eclipser | bruce2, no, you don't |
| 19:35.27 | Zap-W | is there a debianized ver of samba-vscan ?? |
| 19:35.35 | bruce2 | okay, thanks |
| 19:35.35 | shingouz | KeeganW: work? asin do what? |
| 19:35.36 | Shadowcat | shingouz: well not impossible, but certainly not for free |
| 19:35.47 | Technel | How do I free the dpkg lock file? |
| 19:36.11 | Eclipser | Technel, you're already using some dpkg related application? |
| 19:36.19 | Technel | Eclipser: I closed it |
| 19:36.19 | shingouz | Shadowcat: starting from 500 usd per hour. plus airfare first class, hotels etc. |
| 19:36.30 | Eclipser | Technel, check ps -e |
| 19:36.33 | Shadowcat | shingouz: yeah something like that |
| 19:37.09 | shingouz | Shadowcat: of course the timer will start ticking the second i move my ass out of this chair |
| 19:37.10 | ma3x | Why most people decide to bypass udev and make devices theirselves |
| 19:37.24 | Technel | Eclipser: Got it, thanks |
| 19:37.39 | Shadowcat | ma3x: because most people had their own naming system in place before udev got here |
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| 19:38.03 | ma3x | ok |
| 19:38.08 | ma3x | where did stew go? |
| 19:38.16 | Shadowcat | he's avoiding you |
| 19:38.18 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 19:38.34 | shingouz | ma3x: you are probably on ignore |
| 19:38.40 | Eclipser | or not |
| 19:38.48 | Eclipser | stew's been idle for 9minutes :) |
| 19:38.56 | ma3x | but guys, this really isn't that simple! |
| 19:39.03 | KeeganW | shingouz: something that is easy to use, for a beginner as myself |
| 19:39.03 | KeeganW | or perhaps there is no such thing as putting simple and linux together |
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| 19:39.07 | SimonRaven | went for a doobie, piss, or lunch. take your pick ;P |
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| 19:39.11 | ma3x | I mean, okay you say "Google for udev and 1394" |
| 19:39.14 | Ireul | hi |
| 19:39.16 | ma3x | but it's not like that at all |
| 19:39.30 | SimonRaven | ffs, it isn't hard |
| 19:39.30 | ma3x | you gotta spend like hiours and hours to get it working |
| 19:39.33 | shingouz | KeeganW: the cli is not as difficult as you think |
| 19:39.43 | SimonRaven | ma3x: not really |
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| 19:39.56 | Eclipser | ma3x, I worked two weeks to get my TV card working semi-properly |
| 19:40.00 | Ireul | please I've got a problem with initrd: it fills mi initrd images with a lot of modules I don't need. I've edited /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf and modules... |
| 19:40.04 | Karnaugh | I need help :( |
| 19:40.04 | ma3x | Eclipser, heheh |
| 19:40.07 | Karnaugh | on sarge |
| 19:40.14 | Karnaugh | I get a whole flood of hotplug errors |
| 19:40.15 | Ireul | kernel 2.6.12 |
| 19:40.18 | ma3x | but Eclipser you're like pro |
| 19:40.19 | ma3x | right?? |
| 19:40.23 | Eclipser | not really |
| 19:40.30 | shingouz | Karnaugh: excellent /msg dpkg ask |
| 19:40.33 | Eclipser | I just like configuring and playing with stuff :) |
| 19:40.34 | ma3x | at least not some newbie like me |
| 19:40.41 | Eclipser | I haven't used the TV card since... |
| 19:40.59 | Eclipser | ma3x, I was a newbie once too |
| 19:41.00 | sim__ | anyone experienced with libxml2 and XPath? |
| 19:41.07 | Eclipser | but I learnt how to use google :) |
| 19:41.12 | shingouz | !tell sim__ about polls |
| 19:41.14 | Karnaugh | shingouz: yea I'm getting there |
| 19:41.19 | Karnaugh | I looked in messages |
| 19:41.30 | Karnaugh | and it seesm my mouse gets detected ok |
| 19:41.46 | SimonRaven | sim__: tried #xml or ##xml or something like that? |
| 19:41.47 | Karnaugh | but if i run like xf86cfg |
| 19:41.50 | Karnaugh | it doesnt seem to work |
| 19:41.57 | SimonRaven | don't run that |
| 19:41.58 | shingouz | Karnaugh: the big thing is to just format the partitions that comtain ubuntu now. it should really not require any partitioning, just mkfs |
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| 19:42.40 | mops | how to inspect the version of package foo in distribution foo2 please? |
| 19:42.46 | Karnaugh | shingouz: when acting like a troll you could at least learn to spell |
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| 19:42.56 | mops | current version |
| 19:42.58 | Karnaugh | does anyone have some suggestions for me? |
| 19:43.07 | valdyn_ | mops: depends on the distribution |
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| 19:43.10 | shingouz | Karnaugh: oh. if that is the way you like to play... |
| 19:43.13 | mops | valdyn_:stable |
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| 19:43.22 | KeeganW | shingouz: wat do u think my chances of getting ndiswrapper to work, if I swap for debian? |
| 19:43.31 | stew | ma3x: http://readlist.com/lists/lists.debian.org/debian-user/5/28527.html |
| 19:43.39 | ma3x | letme see |
| 19:43.43 | Technel | Does anyone know of a good IDE that supports PHP and subversion that is in the Debian stable package repository? kdevelop doesn't work with SVN for some reason, Eclipse and Jedit (not really an IDE) are Java, so Debian doesn't support them without some heavy work-arounds (on stable).. |
| 19:43.46 | stew | it was like the 5th link |
| 19:43.46 | sim__ | SimonRaven, sorry about stupid Q, and thanks, forgot about #xml ;) |
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| 19:43.50 | valdyn_ | mops: oh - within debian - 'apt-cache show package' or for the currently installed: dpkg -l package |
| 19:43.56 | shingouz | KeeganW: i just stopped trolling you |
| 19:44.08 | Karnaugh | Technel: Kdevelop will soon support SVN afaikk |
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| 19:44.23 | shingouz | KeeganW: sorry |
| 19:44.24 | mops | valdyn_: not currently installed, but only actual version in stable release, ok |
| 19:44.26 | KeeganW | shingouz: wat is trolling? |
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| 19:44.32 | Technel | Karnaugh: Why do they have an option for SVN if it is not supported yet?? |
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| 19:44.48 | shingouz | KeeganW: ndiswrapper on debian, it should be doable. i have not tried it before though |
| 19:44.54 | Karnaugh | Technel: because they plan to :/ |
| 19:44.55 | valdyn_ | mops: make sure 'apt-get update' was run before you run 'apt-cache show package' |
| 19:45.07 | blitx | are there any sound servers for Debian that support more than one app using sound--more like a Win32 sound system? |
| 19:45.09 | shingouz | KeeganW: i mistabbed, sorry :$ |
| 19:45.14 | mops | valdyn_: yes I know, thanks |
| 19:45.23 | valdyn_ | !tell blitx about dmix |
| 19:45.27 | Technel | Karnaugh: Weeks, months, years..? Any estimates? I can find very very little information on SVN on kdevelop.org |
| 19:45.39 | accel | can somebody direct me towards a good guide on courier-imap |
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| 19:45.52 | blitx | thank you |
| 19:46.04 | accel | or suggest a better imapdaemon |
| 19:46.34 | Technel | Karnaugh: 2003-10-12 Mickael Marchand SVN New subversion part added to replace the old svn one -- summary: SVN support improved, fixes for CVS support -- http://kdevelop.org/?filename=current_work.html |
| 19:46.37 | ma3x | stew, what do you mean it was like the 5th link? |
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| 19:47.18 | Karnaugh | Technel: I have no idea, just something i heard at a talk last night about SVN |
| 19:47.23 | s_ward | accel, I googled and got this at the first link: http://talk.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/exim_maildir_imap.shtml -- dunno anything about "good" but it's a start |
| 19:47.32 | Technel | Karnaugh: On IRC? |
| 19:47.36 | ma3x | still can't get it working |
| 19:47.41 | stew | ma3x: if it was the first link on google i was going to plonk you for being lazy, but it was the 5th which still means you were lazy, but you don't get plonked yet |
| 19:47.47 | Karnaugh | Technel: no, at a LUG |
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| 19:48.22 | blitx | to switch to ALSA from OSS, do I just need to install the ALSA driver and config packages? |
| 19:48.23 | Technel | Karnaugh: Was it a mailing list? |
| 19:48.30 | greycat | blitx: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 19:48.31 | ma3x | stew, the 5th? I thought I search for "dev raw1394" |
| 19:48.37 | accel | thanks s_ward i read that whole thing and am still having login problems |
| 19:48.42 | ma3x | ah udev! |
| 19:48.43 | ma3x | okay |
| 19:48.58 | Karnaugh | Technel: no. a LUG talk, with physical people etc |
| 19:49.05 | Eclipser | is it just me or is dpkg slow today |
| 19:49.12 | Technel | Karnaugh: Oh, okay. Thanks for the information. |
| 19:49.18 | Karnaugh | anyway, is there a way i can actualy check if my mouse is being detected or not :/ |
| 19:49.28 | greycat | cat its device and wiggle it. |
| 19:49.28 | ma3x | stew, that guy seem he didn't have his problem solved, he's looking for suggestions |
| 19:49.37 | streuner | Eclipser: don't hurd the feelings of dpkg ;-) |
| 19:49.37 | Eclipser | Karnaugh, dmesg |
| 19:49.51 | Karnaugh | Eclipser: well, it says it was detected there fine - but i have my doubts |
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| 19:49.59 | Karnaugh | Eclipser: since the boot spews errors |
| 19:50.07 | Karnaugh | most of them i cant see :/ |
| 19:50.10 | ma3x | and he is saying "I've tried putting these entries video1394:root:video:0666 ; raw1394:root:root:0666 in /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions, but it doesn't set them as I intended." |
| 19:50.12 | Karnaugh | or paste |
| 19:50.14 | tnks | hi all. I posted a question on here earlier. I looked around Google, and I didn't find what I was looking for. I'm still confused why the kernel-source-2.6.8 is different from the 2.6.8 available from kernel.org. What Debian-specific stuff down does the package provide? |
| 19:50.42 | mops | how to tell dpkg -l to output the full name of the package? |
| 19:50.51 | Karnaugh | actualy it seems it was detected |
| 19:50.56 | greycat | !faq mops |
| 19:50.56 | dpkg | mops: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:51.06 | Karnaugh | I just dont know why xwindows is being iffy now :/ |
| 19:51.07 | shingouz | tnks: check the changelogs |
| 19:51.10 | ma3x | stew: he's talking about /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions. but in debian there is no such file. Do you think its /etc/udev/permissions.rules |
| 19:51.12 | mops | thx |
| 19:51.19 | Karnaugh | if i cat /dev/input/mice it seems to be working fine |
| 19:51.26 | ma3x | oh boy :( |
| 19:51.30 | Karnaugh | and thats what it was configured to use |
| 19:51.59 | stew | ma3x: read the docs |
| 19:52.07 | ma3x | should i restart udev after i change the .conf? |
| 19:52.09 | Eclipser | yeah I was going to say cat that device but I forgot the /input/ part and I had to check it from my other comp :) |
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| 19:53.27 | ma3x | stew: what will happen if i create static device? |
| 19:54.04 | Karnaugh | ok, anyone know how usefull the 'ati' driver is? |
| 19:54.09 | Karnaugh | default one that is :/ |
| 19:54.14 | Shadowcat | not very useful |
| 19:54.17 | ma3x | Karnaugh, it's not at all useful |
| 19:54.23 | ma3x | infact it's crap |
| 19:54.25 | stew | ma3x: it will be gone the next time udev starts |
| 19:54.40 | stew | Karnaugh: it works well for me |
| 19:54.53 | nejucomo | How do debian packages modify sensitive config files, such as /etc/sudoers? (I want to write a script for debian which does just that...) |
| 19:54.56 | ma3x | Karnaugh, are you on stable? |
| 19:55.01 | stew | Karnaugh: flawless for me. but i only use 2d |
| 19:55.13 | ma3x | Karnaugh, what kind of video card? |
| 19:55.16 | Eclipser | Karnaugh, it's good if you don't want 3d (with the newer ati cards at least) |
| 19:55.23 | ma3x | stew, what video card you have? |
| 19:55.50 | ma3x | Eclipser, that's right fglrx rocks |
| 19:55.56 | stew | ma3x: 9200somehing |
| 19:55.56 | ma3x | Eclipser, you know any cool game? |
| 19:56.03 | ma3x | I've just played ppracer and wolfenstein |
| 19:56.16 | ma3x | they're not bad but reqiore a lot |
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| 19:56.21 | ma3x | stew, not bad |
| 19:56.21 | Eclipser | I don't really play much and if I do, mainly NWN |
| 19:56.32 | ma3x | what's NWN, ice hockey? |
| 19:56.32 | Eclipser | I'm trying to learn to make demos |
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| 19:56.42 | Karnaugh | dont suppose someone can grab me a link to the flavio dpkg's :/ |
| 19:56.45 | Eclipser | and/or intros |
| 19:56.46 | Atula | is there a way to make sound go slower? |
| 19:56.55 | Atula | is there a way to make sound go slower? (on playback that is) |
| 19:57.00 | Eclipser | !tell Karnaugh about ati drivers |
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| 19:57.17 | Atula | I need to transcribe something... how do I make sound plays slower? |
| 19:57.21 | Karnaugh | ma3x: I'm using a 9280 |
| 19:57.24 | Karnaugh | Radeon |
| 19:57.48 | ma3x | stew: I 'm sorry to bother you again, but I have put M raw1394 c 171 0 and M video1394 c 172 0 in /etc/udev/links.conf. How can I "load" them now? |
| 19:57.53 | tnks | shingouz, I looked at the Debian changelog. There's a ton of patches that they pile into 2.6.8. I almost don't even feel like it's really 2.6.8 anymore. |
| 19:57.54 | Karnaugh | Eclipser: cool.. I'll just open that up in FireFo.. oh wait |
| 19:58.00 | Eclipser | :) |
| 19:58.02 | stew | ma3x: restart udev |
| 19:58.11 | Eclipser | Karnaugh, install lynx, links or links2 :) |
| 19:58.23 | Eclipser | or maybe elinks |
| 19:58.30 | stew | w3m! |
| 19:58.33 | Karnaugh | I should try get x going on SVGA or something :/// |
| 19:58.35 | Eclipser | bah |
| 19:58.44 | Eclipser | Karnaugh, nah :) |
| 19:58.48 | Eclipser | console > X :) |
| 19:58.49 | Karnaugh | typing out that dudes long ass home URL is going to be a pain and then some |
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| 19:58.56 | Eclipser | Karnaugh, install gpm |
| 19:58.59 | ma3x | Karnaugh, how much ram memory on your video card? |
| 19:59.01 | Eclipser | for mouse in console |
| 19:59.03 | stew | or use screen |
| 19:59.08 | Karnaugh | ma3x: 256 i think |
| 19:59.28 | Karnaugh | some stupid number |
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| 19:59.34 | Karnaugh | :P |
| 19:59.41 | Karnaugh | (for what i use it for at least) |
| 19:59.47 | Zap-W | where are the DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE DEB_HOST_ARCH_OS stored? |
| 19:59.48 | Karnaugh | like commander keen :D |
| 19:59.49 | ma3x | Karnaugh, wow! I envy you |
| 20:00.03 | tnks | shingouz, but a lot of patches are diff'd against the vanilla kernel. Does this cause when building the Debian custom-kernel? |
| 20:00.08 | ma3x | stew, it says restart: command not found |
| 20:00.10 | s_ward | Karnaugh, do you mind if I take 192MB of it then? |
| 20:00.14 | occy | what 2.6.x should I use? .12 ? |
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| 20:00.21 | shingouz | tnks: no idea |
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| 20:00.30 | ma3x | I've googled for restart udev and most people do it with 'restart udev' |
| 20:00.40 | s_ward | hmm, shipping would probably cost too much for me to bother :/ |
| 20:00.41 | stew | ma3x: /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 20:01.02 | shingouz | ma3x: like most services in debian |
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| 20:01.15 | occy | if I apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 will that automagically become default in grub? |
| 20:01.31 | shingouz | occy: it should do that |
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| 20:01.38 | occy | shingouz, hmm tx |
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| 20:01.42 | archpollux | occy: very possible. you can also run update-grub |
| 20:01.46 | occy | ahhh |
| 20:01.47 | ma3x | still no /dev/raw1394 |
| 20:01.50 | stew | occy: maybe, depends on if you have changed default in menu.lst before |
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| 20:02.12 | b00 | hello. I need some help |
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| 20:02.27 | shingouz | !tell b00 about ask |
| 20:03.01 | b00 | I got emails, written in chineese, but my system doesnt have any chineese support . I need however be able to show them to my friend, who can translate |
| 20:03.12 | b00 | how can I take / convert them ? |
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| 20:03.19 | b00 | when I save the text, in |
| 20:03.23 | b00 | doc file, |
| 20:03.25 | ma3x | heh, i forgot to turn on my camera |
| 20:03.40 | b00 | the text doesnt come up on his system, where he has chineese |
| 20:03.44 | shingouz | b00: do you need to print them or would it be possible for you to just email them off? |
| 20:03.59 | b00 | shingouz: I need to take it to his computer, |
| 20:04.11 | b00 | shingouz: perferably on my flash disk |
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| 20:04.29 | shingouz | b00: just save the whole email from your email client, it should keep the fonts |
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| 20:04.49 | DiegoElias | hello... any huy here use freeradius ? |
| 20:04.51 | b00 | shingouz: it should, right ? Because i've tried one, and |
| 20:04.52 | kevinv | I am using ALSA, If I use arts sound daemon should my programs point to ALSA or arts? |
| 20:04.58 | b00 | its kinda doesnt display right |
| 20:04.59 | b00 | hmmm |
| 20:05.05 | b00 | gonna try again i guess |
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| 20:05.23 | occy | tx guys, I think that got it. |
| 20:05.33 | occy | rebooting the box remotely |
| 20:05.34 | occy | heh |
| 20:05.34 | shingouz | b00: it should. or you can install almost any kind of a font on debian with apt-get |
| 20:05.36 | kevinv | Or should I just turn off ArtsD completely? |
| 20:05.47 | marga | Hi! I'm looking for a program that prevents a person from changing workspaces for a certain amount of time. The idea is that you are "locked" into work, and are not distracted by irc or similar... Has anyone ever used something like that? |
| 20:05.47 | kevinv | And point every program to ALSA? |
| 20:05.54 | shingouz | occy: remotely? are you nuts? |
| 20:06.05 | occy | shingouz, heh, I have someone there that can fix it :) |
| 20:06.11 | occy | shingouz, but yes, I am nutz |
| 20:06.16 | occy | :) |
| 20:06.17 | shingouz | occy: hmm.... :) |
| 20:06.22 | ma3x | ok, after putting M raw1394 c 171 0 in /etc/udev/links.conf and after restarting udev, why there is no /dev/raw1394 ? |
| 20:06.28 | blitx | should I have to reboot after installing ALSA to get it running? |
| 20:06.32 | ma3x | can someone explain me please? |
| 20:06.33 | blitx | XMMS doesn't think it is there |
| 20:06.40 | kevinv | I am trying ALSA because of Amarok was giving my sound glitches. |
| 20:06.44 | shingouz | blitx: no, no reboots needed |
| 20:06.48 | ma3x | where did that angel stew go? |
| 20:06.53 | blitx | yikes, that's no good then :( |
| 20:07.04 | shingouz | blitx: and the problem is? |
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| 20:07.19 | blitx | programs don't think ALSA exists on my sytem |
| 20:07.23 | blitx | but I just installed it |
| 20:07.30 | equex | oh come on |
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| 20:07.34 | shingouz | blitx: lsmod | grep snd |
| 20:07.49 | eXistenZ | Does anyone has the Realtek ALC850 integrated sound card? |
| 20:07.52 | shingouz | blitx: that should tell you if you have the alsa modules loaded in the first place |
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| 20:08.08 | DiegoElias | hello... any huy here use freeradius ? |
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| 20:08.17 | shingouz | eXistenZ: no, of course not, you are the only person in the universe with one. just ask and do not poll |
| 20:08.24 | blitx | snd, snd-page-alloc, soundcore |
| 20:08.28 | shingouz | !tell DiegoElias about polls |
| 20:08.30 | blitx | those are the 3 items listed |
| 20:08.37 | dafen | quick question, have a file that contains line too long to be printed( pure ascii text file), what command to wrap the overlegnth lines? |
| 20:08.48 | shingouz | blitx: you do not have the drivers installed in that case |
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| 20:09.07 | skyking | hello |
| 20:09.09 | blitx | I just installed them though. They must not have gotten loaded somehow. |
| 20:09.11 | b00 | shingouz: xfonts-intl-chinese - International fonts for X -- Chinese |
| 20:09.14 | b00 | how about this ? |
| 20:09.24 | skyking | what is the best practice to add init scripts ? |
| 20:09.33 | blitx | could that be caused by having the OSS system utilized during installation? |
| 20:09.37 | shingouz | b00: i have no idea, i do not read or speak chinese. sounds good though, try it |
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| 20:09.40 | skyking | I mean ... where is the best place to put them ? |
| 20:09.46 | eXistenZ | shingouz: erm, when I had my 2.4 kernel my sound card worked properly, now after I upgraded to 2.6 it installed seemingly the wrong driver for it. |
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| 20:10.18 | shingouz | blitx: you have oss there too? remove it completely from /etc/modules and all other possible places. install alsa after that and it should work |
| 20:10.21 | s_ward | skyking, stick them in /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d to update symlinks |
| 20:10.50 | shingouz | eXistenZ: and i should know what the driver module is called? do you use alsa or oss in the first place |
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| 20:11.21 | florg | hi, i'm trying to compile the Sonance music player for GNOME. Therefore i need to install mono, which i got with apt-get. But there is no mono.pc file installed which is needed by the configure script - where can i get a mono.pc file? |
| 20:12.12 | eXistenZ | shingouz: alsa |
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| 20:12.36 | blitx | shingouz, so I need to delete the OSS folder? |
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| 20:12.48 | shingouz | eXistenZ: and you have already checked with lsmod if you have the stuff there? |
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| 20:12.50 | s_ward | florg, it could be in mono-dev |
| 20:12.58 | x64 | hey can anyone give me a hand on locating my mysql header files? in linux |
| 20:13.01 | x64 | debian* |
| 20:13.03 | drac | blitx: What's OSS folder? |
| 20:13.10 | shingouz | blitx: no. you need to make sure nothing oss loads at boot time |
| 20:13.12 | blitx | shingouz, so much for that-- /etc/modules doesn't exist and there's no oss folder in /etc |
| 20:13.26 | shingouz | there is no /etc/oss |
| 20:14.00 | blitx | so I see. |
| 20:14.02 | eXistenZ | shingouz: I'm trying to find what is my driver supposed to be, snd_ac97_codec 59268 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 20:14.18 | eXistenZ | the snd_intel8x0 is loaded, I think my driver is something different |
| 20:14.20 | shingouz | eXistenZ: /msg dpkg ac97 |
| 20:14.35 | skyking | eXistenZ, read it on the chip |
| 20:14.38 | occy | shingouz, heh, didn't go good. :) |
| 20:14.44 | occy | shingouz, calling the lackey now. |
| 20:14.44 | shingouz | eXistenZ: what driver did is use in the beginning |
| 20:14.46 | blitx | shingouz, What should I do then, being as how /etc/modules doesn't exist? |
| 20:14.46 | occy | fun fun |
| 20:15.03 | eXistenZ | shingouz: I didn't pay attention actually =/ |
| 20:15.16 | shingouz | blitx: jsut make suer you do not have any oss drivers loaded and that they will not load at boot time |
| 20:15.34 | blitx | shingouz, I do not know how to do that |
| 20:15.40 | shingouz | eXistenZ: try google or boot back to the older kernel and check what runs the sound there |
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| 20:15.55 | eXistenZ | shingouz: I deleted the old kernel =D |
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| 20:16.15 | fishion | hola, tengo una preguntar que es deficil de plantear |
| 20:16.38 | blitx | fishion, que necesita hacer? |
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| 20:16.46 | shingouz | blitx: /etc/modules /etc/modprobe.d /etc/modutils |
| 20:16.55 | toresbe | shingouz: hey :) |
| 20:17.01 | shingouz | hi toresbe |
| 20:17.01 | fishion | a ver quien me echa un cable, en mi cosola no me muestra la ruta de en la carpeta que estoy solo se muestr "#" |
| 20:17.01 | toresbe | shingouz: How's Finland? :P |
| 20:17.11 | shingouz | eXistenZ: well.. hit google then :p |
| 20:17.17 | shingouz | toresbe: boring as hell |
| 20:17.21 | shingouz | !es |
| 20:17.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:17.23 | fishion | que paquete es el que hace mostrar la ruta |
| 20:17.27 | toresbe | shingouz: I'm surprised :P |
| 20:17.35 | fishion | no se si me hable explicado bien :( |
| 20:17.44 | blitx | fishion, uno momento |
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| 20:17.48 | shingouz | fishion: no habla |
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| 20:18.24 | fishion | shingouz eh tenido varias distros y casi todos se mostraba por ejeplo root@/etc/ |
| 20:18.27 | fishion | no es mas o menos asin ? |
| 20:18.40 | shingouz | fishion: i do not speak spanish |
| 20:18.44 | shingouz | !es |
| 20:18.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:18.49 | shingouz | fishion: ^^^ |
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| 20:18.57 | fishion | oOO |
| 20:19.02 | shingouz | gee... |
| 20:19.02 | fishion | sorry |
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| 20:19.07 | shingouz | no problem |
| 20:19.09 | holo | hi |
| 20:19.50 | blitx | that helps |
| 20:19.57 | blitx | because I can't speak spanish very well |
| 20:20.01 | eXistenZ | shingouz: btw what window manager do you use, kde or gnome |
| 20:20.09 | blitx | at least I was able to ask him what he was wanting to do :) |
| 20:20.14 | shingouz | eXistenZ: neither. |
| 20:20.56 | eXistenZ | shingouz: which one then :-) ? |
| 20:20.58 | Technel | Why doesn't Debian come with Java? |
| 20:21.10 | psychonate | Technel, why doesn't windows come with Java? |
| 20:21.29 | shingouz | eXistenZ: bash most of the time |
| 20:21.34 | skyking | Technel, why does it have to come shipped with java ? |
| 20:21.44 | Technel | psychonate: Because it got into a licensing disagreement with Sun |
| 20:21.44 | ma3x | Is it possible to view what new packages were installaed as dependencies, when I installed some new package? |
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| 20:22.21 | psychonate | Technel, does Debian have an agreement with Sun? |
| 20:22.36 | Technel | skyking: Because there are a LOT of packages that use Java, most of which are off-limits to Debian users unless you are 1.) An expert compiler, 2.) Found a good compiler, or 3.) Have a lifetime to waste |
| 20:22.41 | Technel | psychonate: Does Slackware? |
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| 20:23.00 | shingouz | ma3x: you will see the whole list of the packages that are going to be installed when you install them |
| 20:23.01 | psychonate | All I know is most distros I've used don't come with sun java |
| 20:23.06 | eneri | I need a few options for an especially nice secure webmail service. |
| 20:23.13 | skyking | Technel, ehr ... I don't have java packages and as you are stating debian should be shipped with tons of other languages |
| 20:23.22 | bluefox83 | eh, the java runtime environment installer is easy to use and requires little effort on the part of the user.. |
| 20:23.26 | blitx | fishion, quiere encontrar donde un paquete vino de? |
| 20:23.26 | psychonate | If Slackware comes with java, it could be blackdown, but I dunno for sure |
| 20:23.30 | Hydroxide | Technel: I doubt either Debian or Slackware does, but in any case Debian doesn't, and Debian definitely pays attention to licensing agreements |
| 20:23.36 | ma3x | shingouz, I installed kino, and it gave me that list, but I forgot to write it down, and now when I removed kino, I don't know what other packages am I supposed to remove |
| 20:23.40 | ma3x | so That's the problem |
| 20:23.46 | kadigibox | hiya bluefox83 |
| 20:23.47 | Atula | !java |
| 20:23.47 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive, consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). |
| 20:23.49 | Technel | skyking: Java is one of the most popular languages, right up there with C and C++ |
| 20:23.58 | eXistenZ | shingouz: I found a sound driver provided by asus =) |
| 20:24.02 | shingouz | ma3x: debfoster is pretty neat |
| 20:24.17 | shingouz | eXistenZ: eugh |
| 20:24.19 | Technel | Hydroxide: I ran Slackware for about a year and never had an issue with installing Java-based packages |
| 20:24.26 | Hydroxide | Technel: it's not a matter of popularity. Debian is not legally allowed to distribute it |
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| 20:24.40 | shingouz | eXistenZ: and you have no idea what it actually uses? try lspci -v on the box |
| 20:24.46 | s_ward | ma3x, deborphan might be able to get rid of some stuff you don't use |
| 20:25.04 | Technel | Hydroxide: Okay, then that is the answer to my question ("Why doesn't Debian come with Java?"). Thank you |
| 20:25.09 | Hydroxide | Technel: yes |
| 20:25.22 | eXistenZ | shingouz: I'm trying to install that driver now. |
| 20:25.30 | Hydroxide | Technel: however, Debian does distribute a lot of free JVMs that are not official ones, that work for many programs. |
| 20:25.34 | shingouz | eXistenZ: what format did it come in? |
| 20:25.46 | holo | i have a problem compiling kernel with bootsplash enabled .. it seems like there are missing header files for bootsplash. the full description is here: http://pastebin.com/330230 |
| 20:25.50 | Hydroxide | Technel: also, if you really want the official Sun/Blackdown/IBM JVMs on your Debian machine, Debian makes it very easy |
| 20:25.51 | s_ward | ma3x, aptitude allows packages to be marked as automatically installed -- if an automatically installed package has no other packages Depending or Recommending it, it will be marked for removal |
| 20:25.57 | ma3x | s_ward, what's better for my purpose, debfoster or deborphan? |
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| 20:26.14 | shingouz | ma3x: orphan i think |
| 20:26.17 | Technel | Hydroxide: I am just interested in installing something like Eclipse on my Debian install, and from what I have read on the internet, that is very very difficult on Debian |
| 20:26.17 | eXistenZ | I did ./configure and make, so it's doing the compile now |
| 20:26.20 | holo | i'm using gcc3.4 |
| 20:26.22 | Hydroxide | Technel: install the java-package package from contrib, and then download the .bin file from Sun (or equivalent from Blackdown/IBM), and run fakeroot make-jpkg thedownloadedfile.bin |
| 20:26.24 | Entranced | Any ideas why is it taking this long for Firefox1.0.6 to get into TESTING ? |
| 20:26.31 | eneri | I need a few options for an especially nice secure webmail service. |
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| 20:26.40 | shingouz | eXistenZ: oops.. i am guessing you will have a screwd up system after that |
| 20:26.41 | Hydroxide | Technel: that will make a .deb which makes the Sun/Blackdown/IBM JVM fully functional on your machine |
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| 20:26.55 | Hydroxide | Technel: (you might have to install fakeroot too before that, but that's in debian) |
| 20:26.59 | eXistenZ | shingouz: I hope not =) |
| 20:27.01 | s_ward | ma3x, deborphan will look at all of your packages (or just libraries) to try and find those which have nothing depending on them |
| 20:27.12 | Hydroxide | Technel: and then just extract the Eclipse .zip somewhere and you're good to go |
| 20:27.19 | Hydroxide | Technel: eclipse works fine on Debian |
| 20:27.27 | s_ward | ma3x, not just the packages installed through installing another package that depends on them |
| 20:27.36 | Technel | Hydroxide: You don't need to install Eclipse? You just extract the files? |
| 20:27.41 | Hydroxide | Technel: that's right |
| 20:27.43 | shingouz | eXistenZ: at this point i will go hide under the couch.... very far from irc and your computer |
| 20:27.46 | eXistenZ | shingouz: take a look at this one: http://pastebin.com/330240 |
| 20:27.47 | Technel | Hydroxide: Great, thanks |
| 20:27.51 | eneri | Sorry, folks. I need an account, not to implement a front-end. |
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| 20:28.19 | Hydroxide | Technel: it can be packaged for Debian, which already has an old version, and that would integrate it nicer with things like menus etc. but it works just fine by extracting it. |
| 20:28.34 | ma3x | s_ward, when i installed 'kino', i had to update from sid main, so it upgraded some packages. Can i change those packages back to stable? |
| 20:28.51 | Hydroxide | Technel: lots of other java stuff from Debian contrib and Debian non-free will install just fine after you make the JVM .deb as I described |
| 20:28.54 | Technel | Hydroxide: The extracted version doesn't have menus? |
| 20:29.00 | blitx | ok, what fishion needed was to know how to get to root in the console :) |
| 20:29.01 | Hydroxide | Technel: no, of course it does |
| 20:29.08 | Hydroxide | Technel: I meant integration with the standard Debian menu system |
| 20:29.20 | Hydroxide | Technel: which things like KDE or GNOME or windowmaker use by default |
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| 20:29.24 | s_ward | ma3x, in aptitude, you can manually select the stable versions by highlighting packages, pressing 'v' and selecting the required version |
| 20:29.33 | Technel | Hydroxide: Oh, okay. |
| 20:30.10 | Entranced | What keeps Firefox 1.0.6 from getting into "testing" tree ? Isn't version 1.0.4 vulnerable ? |
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| 20:31.56 | s_ward | ma3x, in answer to your earlier question: debfoster is more useful if you keep using it, same with aptitude; deborphan is useful for cleaning up past cruft |
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| 20:33.41 | ma3x | ok, a quick question about debfoster. It says "Evolution-data-server is keeping the following 12 packages installed: gtkhtml3.2 libcompfaceg1 libecal6 libedata-book1 libedata-cal5 libegroupwise6 libgal2.2-1 libgal2.2-common libgnome-pilot2 libgtkhtml3.2-11 libpisync0 libsoup2.2-7" |
| 20:33.45 | |Trev| | looking for something that will output a process list request into a 'tree like' format with ppid listed with all pids below it.. tabbed in or something nifty.. anything out there I should look at ? or am I stuck opening up some perl.. ? =) |
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| 20:33.53 | ma3x | now as I don't need evolution should I just choose "N" ? |
| 20:33.56 | holo | s_ward, is it worth using deborphan if one already uses debfoster? |
| 20:34.02 | |Trev| | pstree.. hrmm |
| 20:34.10 | grigor1 | anyone knows what the deal is with Perl related stuff being broken? |
| 20:34.13 | ma3x | I mean how am I sure that those packages are not used by "some other" program? |
| 20:34.23 | s_ward | holo, probably not |
| 20:34.28 | ma3x | is it evolution that keeps them only or some other programs too? |
| 20:34.46 | outlaw84 | does anyone of you know away to edit /etc/sudoers using ie nano instead? I just cant stand out with vi/wim |
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| 20:34.56 | shingouz | eolutions unless there is a bug. you do have to remember you are running sid, ma3x |
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| 20:35.09 | greycat | outlaw84: export EDITOR='nano -w' |
| 20:35.16 | wombachi | outlaw84, set EDITOR env variable to nano |
| 20:35.20 | ma3x | shingouz, I am running stable! |
| 20:35.26 | s_ward | holo, if you already use debfoster, then most of the "cruft" should not have got there in the first place |
| 20:35.33 | ma3x | I just installed those few packages from SID to run kino |
| 20:35.39 | outlaw84 | greycat: in .bash_rc ? |
| 20:35.43 | shingouz | ma3x: iirc you had sid there yesterday |
| 20:35.53 | shingouz | ma3x: and it is Sid, not SID |
| 20:35.55 | ma3x | shingouz, no way, that was 3 weeks ago |
| 20:35.56 | greycat | !wikifaq EVERYONE DotFiles |
| 20:35.57 | dpkg | EVERYONE: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:36.00 | holo | ma3x, debfoster informs you of orphan packages whenever you use it.. and prompts if you want to remove them |
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| 20:36.29 | ma3x | holo, will it prompt me when i use apt-get install for eg. ? |
| 20:36.45 | grigora | anyone knows what the deal is with broken perl-modules? |
| 20:37.05 | A64 | Hi. Does somebody know, which kernel version does "etch" (testing) in it's installer use? |
| 20:37.13 | holo | s_ward, no becouse debfoster has not remove feaature |
| 20:37.21 | holo | i mean |
| 20:37.48 | holo | only has for orphan packages |
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| 20:38.24 | holo | ma3x, no, only when you use debfoster |
| 20:38.48 | ugly | A64: choice between 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 (or .11) most likely - going by what's in the package list |
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| 20:38.49 | juhov | holo: what do you mean there's no remove feature in debfoster? |
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| 20:39.11 | holo | ma3x, you shoud use debfoster to install things |
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| 20:39.36 | psychonate | What's the easiest way to back up an entire directory recursively onto another PC? |
| 20:39.41 | ma3x | a dumb question bt |
| 20:39.51 | A64 | ugly: I need 2.6.11 actually. The installer doesn't recognize my Silicon Image controller (SATA). Knoppix with 2.6.11 does. |
| 20:39.52 | psychonate | not on a regular basis, just for as a one-time thing |
| 20:39.52 | ma3x | since im running KDE, do i need gnome-volume-manager ? |
| 20:39.57 | zcat[1] | Is there any decent software for handling podcasts? apt-cache search doesn't turn up anything.. |
| 20:40.11 | grigora | psychonate: tar -czvf directory.tgz directory/ |
| 20:40.22 | ugly | A64: you booted the installer with the 2.6 kernel option? |
| 20:40.30 | ugly | A64: by default it uses 2.4 unless you override that |
| 20:40.31 | holo | juhov, i will anwer making another question: how do you remove a <package> using debfoster? |
| 20:40.41 | ugly | A64: last I checked, anyway |
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| 20:40.45 | A64 | yepp. I booted expert26 (also tried linux26) |
| 20:40.48 | psychonate | grigora, ah, I don't think I have enough room to tar the directory and all its contents. It's about 20 gigs heh |
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| 20:40.54 | zcat[1] | to another PC, use scp or rsync.. |
| 20:40.57 | juhov | holo: debfoster packagename-, note the hyphen |
| 20:41.02 | ugly | A64: ah ok |
| 20:41.04 | pureone | psychonate wget ;) |
| 20:41.05 | A64 | but that was 1 month ago .. |
| 20:41.07 | psychonate | grigora, and I've got 3.6 gigs free heh |
| 20:41.13 | grigora | psychonate: how about rsync? |
| 20:41.20 | psychonate | pureone, well, I do have an ftp server on the box |
| 20:41.24 | dli | recommend a tool to do CAD? |
| 20:41.30 | psychonate | grigora, I've never used rsync. |
| 20:41.32 | holo | juhov, hmm nice i didn't saw that in the manpage |
| 20:41.40 | zcat[1] | install ssh |
| 20:41.46 | pureone | psychonate do you just want to grab the stuff out of the home dir ? |
| 20:41.47 | grigora | psychonate: looks like you need to start using it :) |
| 20:41.54 | juhov | holo: it's there :) |
| 20:41.56 | zcat[1] | scp -r foo/ othermachine.tla:foo |
| 20:42.05 | A64 | ugly: shall I try the ISO file from here ? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/amd64/current/ |
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| 20:42.10 | psychonate | pureone, well, I just want to copy everything in ~/share/ onto another box |
| 20:42.15 | psychonate | about 20 gigs worth |
| 20:42.25 | zcat[1] | scp -r /share/ othermachine.tla: |
| 20:42.34 | ma3x | does debfoster have a LOG for what it has removed? |
| 20:42.36 | psychonate | who there |
| 20:42.37 | psychonate | scp? |
| 20:42.42 | psychonate | s/who/whoa |
| 20:42.43 | pureone | wget -r ftp://username:password@ip//share |
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| 20:42.57 | pureone | scp could take a while with 20 gb |
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| 20:43.02 | psychonate | pureone, that seems simple enough |
| 20:43.06 | psychonate | I'll give it a try. |
| 20:43.14 | ugly | A64: what, to see if it has 2.6.11? you should verify the version in your current installer first by switching to a console and running 'uname -a' |
| 20:43.35 | A64 | 2.6.8. :) |
| 20:43.59 | psychonate | pureone, is binary default for wget? |
| 20:44.04 | ugly | A64: ah well, no clue if the current snapshot will have it then |
| 20:44.06 | zcat[1] | If you have ftp already you could pull it down with wget I suppose.. I tend to end up with all kinds of bogus "A-P.html" files (that might have been for http) |
| 20:44.10 | A64 | I'm downloading the new daily built etch netinst iso.. we'll see. |
| 20:44.19 | holo | juhov, wich line of the manpage? :s |
| 20:44.29 | pureone | not sure, it shouldnt damage any files |
| 20:44.30 | zcat[1] | rsync or scp are _much_ nicer.. just apt-get the package! |
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| 20:44.48 | psychonate | ah, I already started the wget |
| 20:45.05 | psychonate | as long as it doesn't corrupt my files, then it won't matter to me |
| 20:45.18 | ma3x | is debfoster logging its actions? |
| 20:45.25 | zcat[1] | I think ncftp will do a recursive transfer too.. hafta check the man page |
| 20:45.34 | juhov | holo: Packages suffixed with a - are removed while packages without a suffix are installed. |
| 20:45.48 | juhov | holo: line 15 or so |
| 20:46.19 | grigora | psychonate: pureone: wget assumes to have an http/ftp server running, doesn't it? |
| 20:46.23 | zcat[1] | anyhow, answer MY question!! I wanna subscribe to podcasts. What software exists? |
| 20:46.37 | zcat[1] | grigora: he said he's got ftp |
| 20:46.45 | psychonate | I have proftpd running |
| 20:47.09 | grigora | zcat[1]: psychonate: ok |
| 20:47.39 | Blissex | zcat[1]: a podcast is just an MP3 or a AVI/MPG file. |
| 20:47.43 | zcat[1] | still, ssh is probably installed too, or about a 30 second install.. |
| 20:48.04 | grigora | does anyone know why the perl and perl-modules are broken? and why the whole packages.debian.org is not working well |
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| 20:48.22 | zcat[1] | Yeah, and an RSS / XML file that says where it is and when it got updated.. I've been picking them up manually and it's a major pain |
| 20:48.23 | Blissex | grigora: silly questions indeed. |
| 20:48.23 | grigora | zcat[1]: right, ssh is more likely to be installed than ftp |
| 20:48.37 | grigora | Blissex: what do you mean??? |
| 20:48.53 | kevinv | how do I make the mouse in X11 run in a different process. |
| 20:48.55 | grigora | Blissex: perl-modules: Depends: perl (>= 5.8.4-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:49.03 | kevinv | My mouse slows down sometimes. |
| 20:49.06 | grigora | Blissex: E: Broken packages |
| 20:49.09 | Blissex | zcat[1]: well, all you really need is a nice RSS ''aggregator'' and subscribe it to some postcast site RSS feeds... |
| 20:49.12 | zcat[1] | I want something that reads the XML and grabs the new files for me.. I could write something myself but I'm sure someone will have done it already |
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| 20:49.32 | grigora | Blissex: what's so silly about not being able to install Perl??? |
| 20:49.38 | Blissex | grigora: let me put it this way... You using 'unstable'? Just after a new 'stable' release? :-) |
| 20:49.41 | psychonate | I have a hard drive that I keep some shared files on (music, videos, etc.), and I never touch it when doing new installs. I just mount it when fiinished (ext3). Will I run into any foreseeable problems? I often times have to end up changing the owner and some permissions after mounting it with other OSes. |
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| 20:49.58 | grigora | Blissex: you don't know what I am using, do you??? |
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| 20:50.01 | zcat[1] | psychonate: that is _totally_ the recommended way of doing things! |
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| 20:50.14 | psychonate | That sounds like sarcasm. |
| 20:50.18 | Blissex | grigora: problem is, people who ask non-silly questions give some context. |
| 20:50.23 | grigora | Blissex: now that you've asked, I am using Sarge which is stable, isn't it? |
| 20:50.24 | zcat[1] | no, I mean yes it is.. |
| 20:50.27 | zcat[1] | sorry!! |
| 20:50.31 | psychonate | oh lol |
| 20:50.37 | zcat[1] | It's how I keep my stuff.. |
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| 20:50.49 | psychonate | sounds good then :) |
| 20:50.50 | zcat[1] | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.50 | Blissex | grigora: then in Sarge there are no 'perl' package dependency issues. |
| 20:50.52 | tinker | The i686 refers to ... ? Im a bit confused because I thought the i586 refers to the Pentium and Compatible processors. |
| 20:50.56 | A64 | ugly: thanks for help, I give it a try. Bye. |
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| 20:51.11 | Blissex | psychonate: it is actually the recommended way to do things as zcat[1] says. |
| 20:51.12 | psychonate | zcat[1], I would put those other files on there, but it's pretty well full now :( |
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| 20:51.25 | grigora | Blissex: I just told you there are, what more proof do you need? |
| 20:51.30 | psychonate | I need to buy another HD soon |
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| 20:51.55 | Blissex | tinker: there are several levels of x86 architecture. The 686 level is for Pentium Pro and later, that is the out-of-order excution style Pentiums. |
| 20:52.07 | Atula | hi, is there any packages/apps that enable "voice recognition" in Debian. Greatly appreciate the help. thanks. |
| 20:52.37 | ma3x | is there a way to find out which packages installed on my system are unstable? |
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| 20:52.48 | tinker | Blissex: so the Petium 4 is a 686 ? |
| 20:52.53 | chris | tinker: yes |
| 20:52.54 | ma3x | i guess not |
| 20:52.58 | Blissex | grigora: perhaps more context would help -- Sarge has essentuially no dependencies. |
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| 20:53.07 | Blissex | grigora: perhaps more context would help -- Sarge has essentuially no problems with dependencies. |
| 20:53.45 | Blissex | grigora: what may be happening is that some of the mirrors in your '/etc/apt/sources.list' are not available, and this means that the 'perl' package is not at the moment available to you for download. |
| 20:53.48 | zcat[1] | so what's a good rss aggregator? looking at raggle now.. anything likely to be better? |
| 20:54.16 | useruser | zcat[1]: i use bashpodder for podcasting - it's not particularly good, but it's elegant |
| 20:54.22 | Blissex | zcat[1]: there are _dozens_, and which one suits you best depends for example on the graphics environment that you like best, and the features/bloat tradeoff you prefer. |
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| 20:54.58 | zcat[1] | I don't want a gui.. I want a cron job that drops all my podcasts into ~/pods/ for easy dumping onto the mp3 player |
| 20:55.06 | grigora | Blissex: well actually apt-get update works fine, which means that the mirrors in sources.conf are fine |
| 20:55.33 | zcat[1] | I'll take a look at bashpodder.. |
| 20:55.35 | Blissex | grigora: then paste the exact command you do and error you get. |
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| 20:55.45 | grigora | Blissex: however when I try to do apt-get install perl-modules, I get an error - perl-modules: Depends: perl (>= 5.8.4-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:56.00 | grigora | Blissex: apt-get install perl-base |
| 20:56.28 | grigora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.45 | psychonate | hmm 20 gigs can take a bit of time to transfer even on a LAN heh |
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| 20:57.08 | ugly | psychonate: hours, more than likely |
| 20:57.15 | Gathond | psychonate: it can take a bit of time between 2 drives in the same machine, so yeah :) |
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| 20:57.28 | tnks | hi all. I was wondering. In general, I like staying in the "testing" Debian distribution (I'm not sure what it's codename is these days), but I was hoping to keep up to date on one package in "unstable". Can someone give me some quick advice regarding how to set apt up for that? |
| 20:57.29 | Blissex | grigora: looking at the deps on Sarge, wait a bit. |
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| 20:57.31 | A64 | ugly: "Could not find kernel image linux". May it be corrupt ??? I downloaded it twice, iso file okay. |
| 20:57.32 | ugly | psychonate: I hope you're not scping it :P |
| 20:57.35 | LSorensen | psychonate: 100Mbit = 10MB/s so 2000s or around 35minutes |
| 20:57.46 | chris | tnks: you want to look up 'apt-pinning' |
| 20:57.56 | ugly | A64: it does that without any overrides? you just boot it up and it gives you that error? |
| 20:57.56 | Blissex | tnks: have a look at http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ |
| 20:57.57 | psychonate | ugly, no. Someone recommended wget -r, which seems to be working alright as far as I can tell. |
| 20:58.02 | grigora | Blissex: thanks, I also just pasted the output in #flood |
| 20:58.07 | s_ward | netcat, speedy, but the root of package loss |
| 20:58.13 | tnks | chris, Blissex. . . thanks for the pointers. |
| 20:58.29 | s_ward | s/package/packet/ |
| 20:58.39 | LSorensen | psychonate: I find rsync one of the fastest ways to transfer data over the network |
| 20:58.44 | Technel | Can anyone tell me how to get java-package on the stable distrobution? |
| 20:58.46 | A64 | ugly: yes. I don't even touch the keyboard. |
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| 20:58.58 | ugly | LSorensen: why would rsync be any faster for a one-shot deal? |
| 20:59.05 | ugly | A64: yea probably broken then :P |
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| 20:59.15 | A64 | ugly: can somebody try this image perhaps ? :/ |
| 20:59.16 | psychonate | People keep mentioning rsync, so I may have to check it out sometime. |
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| 20:59.34 | Blissex | grigora: I missed the #flood, you should tell people _before_. Try using pastebin.com |
| 20:59.38 | psychonate | But I don't do this often. |
| 20:59.50 | zcat[1] | rsync for the first copy is a bit slow; for maintaning updates it's damn fast! |
| 20:59.52 | LSorensen | ugly: I don't know, but rsync over ssh is faster than scp for the same files. |
| 20:59.55 | Blissex | grigora: also, here it looks like 'perl-modules' depends on 'perl', not 'perl-base' |
| 21:00.05 | LSorensen | ugly: it's just damn efficient |
| 21:00.08 | degaf | which is the command for install a package on my debian?! (PACKAGE.DEB) |
| 21:00.17 | ugly | LSorensen: rsync over ssh would be much slower than what he's doing - he's just using wget |
| 21:00.22 | Blissex | LSorensen: yes, it can be way faster, because SCP is amazingly inefficient. |
| 21:00.25 | zcat[1] | scp negotiates a new connection for each file; rsync opens one connection and streams everything through it I believe.. |
| 21:00.41 | ugly | LSorensen: the overhead from encryption would probably double or triple the time needed to transfer all those files |
| 21:00.47 | zcat[1] | like "tar czvf - | ssh" |
| 21:00.48 | LSorensen | Blissex: if I can get 11MB/s on 100Mbit, it's fast enough for me. scp doesn't manage that unless it's a few very large files |
| 21:00.53 | grigora | Blissex: package 'perl' does not install either |
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| 21:00.57 | LSorensen | ugly: not if you are bandwidth limited |
| 21:00.58 | psychonate | Anyway... wget seems to be working perfectly well for my one-time purpose |
| 21:00.59 | s_ward | zcat[1], sftp |
| 21:01.01 | Om | If I install the g++-4.0 then will `g++` use g++4 or my current version (g++3.3)? |
| 21:01.01 | Blissex | grigora: yes, but why? |
| 21:01.03 | streuner | degaf: apt-get install <package> |
| 21:01.07 | Blissex | grigora: details, details. |
| 21:01.16 | A64 | ugly: I'm trying the stable, perhaps it also comes with 2.6.11 |
| 21:01.18 | Blissex | grigora: you can paste 3-4 lines here. |
| 21:01.21 | Om | "package" should have been somewhere in the last line... |
| 21:01.24 | A64 | (stable, i386) :) |
| 21:01.25 | LSorensen | ugly: of course I also usually want to maintain file permissions and such which wget won't do |
| 21:01.26 | eneri | What are the HUSHMAIL alternatives? |
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| 21:01.31 | eneri | I am looking for something nice and special. |
| 21:01.35 | LSorensen | a64: stable what? |
| 21:01.39 | zcat[1] | sftp works too. rsync is nice because it doesn't copy all the files that haven't chnged since the last rsync. |
| 21:01.43 | Gathond | 0m I believe the default would be the default in the debian version you use |
| 21:01.49 | A64 | "stable". sarge. :) |
| 21:01.50 | ugly | LSorensen: he's likely transfering porn (20GBs), so no point in that |
| 21:01.56 | bruce2 | is there any way of creating a symbolic link on a vfat external drive? The drive must be readable on windowsXP and r/w on linux |
| 21:01.59 | ugly | A64: no, of course it doesn't |
| 21:02.04 | grigora | Blissex: details in - http://pastebin.com/330270 |
| 21:02.06 | psychonate | ugly, well, let's not jump to conclusions ;) |
| 21:02.07 | degaf | streuner: i have a downloaded package it isn't from an APT |
| 21:02.09 | A64 | ugly :((( |
| 21:02.09 | ugly | A64: why would an older branch come with a newer kernel? |
| 21:02.12 | LSorensen | bruce2: vfat has no such concept |
| 21:02.13 | s_ward | zcat[1], for a one off.. maybe if the sftp/wget/whatever run didn't complete |
| 21:02.19 | technos | Okay. First time installing the binary Radeon driver here, anyone have some useful pointers? Does dpkg have any macroed? |
| 21:02.19 | psychonate | We don't know *FOR SURE* what I'm transferring. |
| 21:02.33 | streuner | degaf: why aren't you using apt-get? |
| 21:02.34 | A64 | ugly: shall I try testing / i386 ? What do you mean ? if testing / A64 is broken .. |
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| 21:02.41 | bruce2 | what filesystem type allows r from windows XP and r/w from linux? |
| 21:02.48 | petemc | technos: try /msg dpkg ati |
| 21:02.50 | LSorensen | technos: there are unofficial debs to make it easier. do a google search |
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| 21:02.57 | Gathond | technos: there is a debian package somewhere that can be used to download and generate debian packages containing the actual driver parts |
| 21:02.59 | LSorensen | technos: that is besides the advice of 'get an nvidia instead' |
| 21:03.02 | ugly | A64: nope, it'll still be the same version |
| 21:03.19 | LSorensen | a64: sarge amd64 works well (has 2.6.8 kernel) |
| 21:03.19 | Blissex | grigora: that paste indicates some configuration problems with your '/etc/apt/sources.list' and/or '/etc/apt/apt.conf' |
| 21:03.22 | degaf | streuner: bcs if i download a package.deb on my HD.. it doesn't appear on APT! |
| 21:03.38 | zcat[1] | If it's a transfer over a slowish connection I would recomend rsync. If both machines are on a LAN I would go pull the drive out and put them in the same machine for a 20G copy.. |
| 21:03.40 | aktinos | bruce2: vfat for example |
| 21:03.41 | degaf | streuner: only if i choose a source APT.. for example CDROM |
| 21:03.41 | wombachi | bruce2, vfat, ext2, ntfs |
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| 21:03.52 | grigora | Blissex: ok, any details??? |
| 21:03.52 | technos | LSorensen: Don't have a choice in the matter. Machine has a 9600 and I'm not about to replace the card with an Nvidia this close to it's EOL. |
| 21:03.52 | ugly | A64: why do you assume that 2.6.8 doesn't work? maybe you need to modprobe the module for your SATA controller |
| 21:03.59 | LSorensen | zcat[1]: but then you have to turn off the machines. what about your uptime? :) |
| 21:04.01 | A64 | LSorensen: yes, but it unfortunately recognizes the nvidia SATA controller only (in the installer). The other silicon image controller NOT. :( |
| 21:04.04 | bruce2 | but vfat doesn't allow symbolic links. I need sybolic links |
| 21:04.15 | LSorensen | a64: any idea of the Sil model? |
| 21:04.17 | A64 | ugly: already tried. nothing. :( |
| 21:04.18 | psychonate | zcat[1], pulling drives requires far too much physical effort IMO |
| 21:04.25 | ugly | A64: just because knoppix auto-loaded it doesn't mean that Debian's kernel doesn't support it at all - unless you know something I don't |
| 21:04.26 | LSorensen | a64: could try my unofficial amd64 installer with 2.6.12 |
| 21:04.28 | psychonate | even though my drives are on slides lol |
| 21:04.34 | ugly | A64: tried what? modprobe? what happened? |
| 21:04.37 | streuner | degaf: read man dpkg, man apt-get |
| 21:04.38 | Blissex | grigora: because you are trying to install a 'stable' level 'perl' (5.8.4-8), but the dependency manager can only find a a 'testing' level 'perl-base' (5.8.7-3). |
| 21:04.40 | cn | someone use nokia cell? |
| 21:04.45 | cn | with debian? |
| 21:04.46 | A64 | LSorensen: may I have the url ? |
| 21:04.54 | Gathond | technos: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html I found that quide very helpfull with my new 9600PRO |
| 21:04.55 | psychonate | well, now that I think of it, only the drives in the main box are on slides |
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| 21:04.58 | grigora | Blissex: here is my sources.conf - http://pastebin.com/330272 |
| 21:05.00 | A64 | modprobe ? inserted the image. nothing happened, unknown. |
| 21:05.04 | zcat[1] | 20G isn't going to be too bad I guess. Probably not anything that uses ssh 'cos that will slow you down. Make an nfs mount and copy it? |
| 21:05.04 | LSorensen | a64: http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ |
| 21:05.12 | ugly | A64: do you know what modules are? |
| 21:05.14 | degaf | streuner:i have try more commands.. maybe it can be depends from which version is this package(STABLE OR UNSTABLE) |
| 21:05.16 | Om | What's happened to ftp.uk.debian.org? |
| 21:05.19 | A64 | yeah. sata_sil |
| 21:05.23 | chris | zcat[1]: dd over netcat |
| 21:05.37 | zcat[1] | tar piped into netcat? |
| 21:05.49 | chris | that works |
| 21:05.50 | ugly | A64: and what happened when you modprobed sata_sil? |
| 21:05.58 | Blissex | grigora: I have sources for all three levels here, and 'unstable' is 5.8.7-4, 'testing' is 5.8.7-3, and 'stable' is 5.8.4-8. |
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| 21:06.05 | psychonate | hmm, I must discover what this "netcat" is |
| 21:06.05 | streuner | degaf: use pdo (packages.debian.org), the version should fit with the version you are already running... |
| 21:06.05 | A64 | it said nothing. :) just did nothing. no error, no "ok". |
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| 21:06.33 | degaf | streuner: ok i try it..thanx! |
| 21:06.37 | tnks | Blissex, regarding that Apt link. . . am I looking at files on your personal computer? Did you somehow annotate the config files to your computer? |
| 21:06.54 | ugly | A64: it usually won't output anything - check 'dmesg' or similar |
| 21:06.57 | zcat[1] | psychonate: If you're just backing up data and don't need to preserve ownership or permissions, wget will do.. |
| 21:06.57 | dli | any bastille expert? |
| 21:06.58 | streuner | degaf: apt-get installs the right version for you auto. |
| 21:06.59 | cire | is it possible to install a debian system on a usb stick? (if system supports boot via usb) |
| 21:07.16 | aktinos | bruce2: there are several drivers for winxp to mount ext2 filesystems |
| 21:07.27 | Blissex | grigora: your _current_ 'sources.list' is so minimal that it looks OK, but perhaps you installed things in a mess before and they are still around. |
| 21:07.30 | Karnaugh | can someone recommend for me an xwindows term |
| 21:07.35 | ugly | A64: if it didn't error, that means the module exists, at least, which means you should be able to install |
| 21:07.41 | Karnaugh | also, thanks to the guys that pointed me int he right direction on ATI stuff :) |
| 21:07.46 | technos | I must say.... Installing xfree86 on a totally unsupported HP accelerated framebuffer is easier than a newer Radeon on vanilla x86. :/ |
| 21:07.49 | chris | psychonate: it's 'cat' over a netowrk |
| 21:07.56 | psychonate | zcat[1], it will do, yes. In the future though, it might be nice to have be able to tar the directory up and preserve permissions, and then just untar it when done. |
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| 21:08.02 | Blissex | grigora: I would suggest removing and reinstalling all perl packages. |
| 21:08.08 | Karnaugh | technos: the latter being what i just went through :P |
| 21:08.48 | grigora | Blissex: well, this machine was installed from the testing CD, then when Sarge was released, I changed sources.conf, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade and it was my understanding this should have taken care of everything, I guess not |
| 21:08.49 | Blissex | grigora: alternatively the best thing would be to use a fine-control tool like 'aptitude' to select exactly what you want. By default 'apt-get' will not even consider downgrading packages. |
| 21:08.58 | zcat[1] | psychonate: rsync (I think you can even tell it to use something other than an ssh tunnel) is still my first recomendation.. |
| 21:09.09 | A64 | LSorensen: do you understand German a bit ? |
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| 21:09.35 | petemc | Blissex: apt can be coerced into downgrading, with the right magic |
| 21:09.45 | grigora | Blissex: is there any way to downgrade a package without causing problems with dependencies? |
| 21:09.53 | Blissex | grigora: «perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-8) but 5.8.7-3 is to be installed» does not leave much dubt something annoying has happened. |
| 21:10.03 | LSorensen | A64: no not really |
| 21:10.04 | Blissex | grigora: as a rule yes, especially for ''generic'' packages. |
| 21:10.44 | Blissex | grigora: but 'apt-get' is a bit of a coarse tool. As petemc says you can do everything with it, I find 'aptitude' a lot nicer to control in a fine way versions and to recover from mishaps. |
| 21:10.51 | graeme_ | this is more of a hardware question, but y'all are the most-knowlegeable bunch of geeks i know.. so: how do i find out how a server is going to do under heavy load. |
| 21:11.05 | buu | graeme_: Benchmark! |
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| 21:11.25 | Karnaugh | ok aterm >> xterm :P |
| 21:11.30 | zcat[1] | graeme_: there are tools got generating artificial loads.. |
| 21:11.38 | zcat[1] | s/got/for |
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| 21:11.45 | Blissex | grigora: but if you wait a bit I can try to find an 'apt-get' command that should put 'perl' packages back to where they belong for 'stable'. |
| 21:11.56 | A64 | LSorensen (I used a vocabulary lol): I'm curious about your image. :) I'll try it as soon as it arrives. 2 more minutes. :) |
| 21:11.58 | asuffield | graeme_: apply heavy load to it, and observe |
| 21:11.58 | zcat[1] | If it's a webserver, ask the question on slashdot.. Include a link to the server you want tested :) |
| 21:12.14 | grigora | Blissex: sure, standing by |
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| 21:12.26 | graeme_ | zcat[1], haha. |
| 21:12.26 | nashirak | Are there any good hardrive recovery tools for linux... I got a ext2 drive that even e2fsck cant fix... I just want to pull any data off. |
| 21:12.57 | graeme_ | well i'm trying to figgure out what kind of server to buy for a site that's gonna be serving heaps of mp3's |
| 21:12.58 | LSorensen | nashirak: what does fsck say about it? |
| 21:12.59 | dli | nashirak, hardware failure or just corrupted data? |
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| 21:13.09 | asuffield | graeme_: more than one |
| 21:13.09 | LSorensen | nashirak: sometimes fsck -b 8193 works |
| 21:13.15 | nashirak | dli: I am not sure... may be hardware... |
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| 21:13.46 | nashirak | LSorensen: I keep getting I/O seek errors and DataRequestErrors |
| 21:13.49 | graeme_ | asuffield, so i should think of buying two and have mirrors? |
| 21:13.57 | asuffield | graeme_: think of buying lots |
| 21:14.07 | buu | graeme_: Sounds like you'll be mostly disk limited. So get fast disks. |
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| 21:14.10 | dli | nashirak, if it's hardware, I suggestion you don't run it any more. even fsck will do more demage to your data |
| 21:14.41 | dli | nashirak, if the data must be recovered, send it to a professional |
| 21:15.03 | graeme_ | buu, i was thinking of using a block of NAS, |
| 21:15.05 | asuffield | graeme_: for stuff like that, N+1 boxes of any halfway recent spec are faster than N. get as many boxes as you can, as cheaply as you can |
| 21:15.23 | asuffield | and put as much data on each of them as you can afford to. then just spread the load between them |
| 21:15.41 | graeme_ | what are good load spreading tools? |
| 21:15.42 | grigora | anyone knows how to remove a package while ignoring all its dependencies? similar to --nodeps for rpm |
| 21:15.49 | cire | I have a laptop with a usb cam connected. camE is my commandline tool for uploading the images via ftp. When my (noisy) harddisk is powered off (using hdparam) it wakes up everytime a foto is uploaded. I want it to stay powered off. What program is using, or how do I get this information? |
| 21:15.55 | asuffield | graeme_: given what you're doing? dns is probably adequete |
| 21:16.02 | asuffield | unless you have a small number of lunatic users |
| 21:16.11 | grigora | graeme_: take a look at Linux Virtual Server project |
| 21:16.23 | graeme_ | asuffield, good, i was hoping that dns would be adequate. |
| 21:16.34 | asuffield | lvs is overkill for anything like this where the load comes from having users numbering in the thousands |
| 21:16.36 | graeme_ | grigora, how would that help? |
| 21:17.22 | asuffield | lvs can forcibly spread connections from each user between all the backends. if dns will give you a more or less even spread anyway, there's no point |
| 21:17.29 | dli | any bastille users? |
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| 21:17.54 | Blissex | grigora: OK, try this... |
| 21:17.55 | chris | i've used bastille |
| 21:17.57 | Blissex | grigora: apt-get -s install --reinstall -t stable perl=5.8.4-8 perl-base=5.8.4-8 perl-modules=5.8.4-8 |
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| 21:18.21 | Blissex | cire: look at 'laptop-mode' |
| 21:18.21 | grigora | graeme_: I am not familiar with your problem, but LVS does load balancing i.e spreads the load |
| 21:18.34 | LSorensen | nashirak: I/O errors is not filesystem errors, they are hardware errors |
| 21:18.45 | cire | Bissex: Where? google? |
| 21:18.54 | dli | chris, how do I add a few more iptables lines to bastille |
| 21:19.04 | Blissex | cire: there is a long document in the kernel sources, but Googling will find it. |
| 21:19.06 | graeme_ | asuffield, would buying whitebox pc's and then balancing between them be more economical than buying 'servers'? |
| 21:19.07 | dli | chris, my own firewall |
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| 21:19.15 | cire | Bissex: Thanks! |
| 21:19.23 | LSorensen | nashirak: fsck won't have a chance there. if it won't mount, then there isn't much I can imagine doing. You could dd with error checking turned off (I think dd has such an option) the whole partition to another disk and then run fsck on that and hope that without io errors it can recover something |
| 21:19.29 | grigora | Blissex: it did something, but I don't think it fixed the issue |
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| 21:20.04 | grigora | Blissex: http://pastebin.com/330283 |
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| 21:20.14 | chris | alindeman: i've not played around with that, sorry |
| 21:20.19 | asuffield | graeme_: depends what you can get and how cheap. disk and network bandwidth, and disk size, are all you're likely to care about. I can throw together cheap headless servers with a few hundred Gb of disk for about £400, so it's fairly close either way |
| 21:20.20 | Blissex | grigora: option '-s' means: dont actually do it. |
| 21:20.23 | chris | i would grep the directory for some existing lines it adds |
| 21:20.26 | chris | and then check those files |
| 21:20.35 | chris | er ali |
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| 21:21.08 | grigora | Blissex: ah, great :) |
| 21:21.12 | asuffield | graeme_: given a basic spec, budget is your only real enemy here |
| 21:21.14 | alvanson | I have an Epson Stylus Color 880 and whenever I try printing with cups, the output is about 1cm lower than it should be. How can I tell it to print 1cm earlier? |
| 21:21.31 | grigora | Blissex: it's working, many thanks!!! |
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| 21:21.34 | graeme_ | buget is all of our enemies |
| 21:21.36 | asuffield | well, that and sleazy retailers who sell you shit that doesn't work |
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| 21:21.45 | exobyte | I'm trying to decide if I should use ppp0 or ppp+ in my iptables script |
| 21:21.50 | Blissex | grigora: yes, the output was that if reissued with '-s' it would have worked. |
| 21:21.56 | d | http://www.kernel.org/hg/linux-2.6/?cmd=filediff;node=e754884340df94746ef07a18232a4da674dede0e;file=drivers/scsi/sata_promise.c |
| 21:21.58 | psychonate | OK, I think my backup is *almost* done |
| 21:21.59 | chris | hrm will a dhcp server only give out ip addresses for the subnet it is in ? |
| 21:22.01 | d | can I append that to my kernel? |
| 21:22.05 | d | or do I have to reroll it into it |
| 21:22.09 | exobyte | chris: no |
| 21:22.15 | grigora | graeme_: I just read your previous posts, and it looks like server would do |
| 21:22.15 | graeme_ | asuffield, thanks for your comments. |
| 21:22.29 | Blissex | grigora: it is vritually essential with APT to release-pin dependencies, to avoid mishaps if one adds sources not in synch with the current level. |
| 21:22.36 | exobyte | chris: as the system requesting obtains its subnet from the dhcp server |
| 21:22.44 | eneri | What are the HUSHMAIL alternatives? |
| 21:22.48 | eneri | I am looking for something nice and special. |
| 21:22.50 | grigora | graeme_: in situations like yours you are limited by bandwidth, not disk speed or CPU power |
| 21:22.51 | asuffield | chris: but it wouldn't make much sense otherwise |
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| 21:23.11 | cire | Does writing to /tmp cause harddisk activity? |
| 21:23.19 | peterS | cire: sometimes |
| 21:23.26 | Blissex | grigora: have a look at http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ and in particular 'apt.conf' for the suitable directive. |
| 21:23.32 | graeme_ | grigora, how so? how does my bandwidth get in the way? |
| 21:23.44 | asuffield | graeme_: you'll need lots of it, obviously |
| 21:23.52 | cire | peterS: Do you know in which cases? |
| 21:24.10 | peterS | cire: if the file you write, you don't close and delete before the filesystem gets around to writing it out |
| 21:24.13 | vivek | how do i set the loglevel to debug in cups ? |
| 21:24.16 | grigora | graeme_: I am assuming you are serving the MP3s over the network, NFS or some such, right |
| 21:24.17 | peterS | cire: for temp files, it could go either way |
| 21:24.25 | Blissex | eneri: if you are looking for «something nice and special» it is a saturday night and you should be out in some disco looking for her :-) |
| 21:24.27 | chris | exobyte: hrmm i changed a host x { fixed-address x.x.x.x } to a new subnet and now it's not giving out that address |
| 21:24.30 | Technel | When you do "apt-get remove package", does it remove all of the dependencies installed for that package as well (I want it to)? |
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| 21:24.39 | grigora | Blissex: thanks |
| 21:24.44 | peterS | Blissex: where is it a saturday night? |
| 21:24.44 | joel_ | Technel: aptitude does that |
| 21:24.44 | exobyte | chris: hmm |
| 21:24.45 | asuffield | chris: go study the log file |
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| 21:25.00 | exobyte | chris: it might screw up the process in some way |
| 21:25.08 | Blissex | peterS: in Japan probably... But Friday nights are also good enough :-) |
| 21:25.16 | vivek | saturday early morning .... |
| 21:25.19 | vivek | in India |
| 21:25.23 | graeme_ | grigora, well. web but yes over the network. |
| 21:25.30 | Technel | joel_: Okay, thanks |
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| 21:25.34 | chris | asuffield: i did, nothing of interest |
| 21:25.35 | peterS | yeah, it might be afternoon in NZ |
| 21:25.38 | d | can I use .c files are drivers? |
| 21:25.42 | d | as* |
| 21:25.45 | vivek | peterS: no not really |
| 21:25.51 | vivek | early morning maybe |
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| 21:26.22 | asuffield | chris: isc dhcpd squeals *every* client request into the log. if there's nothing in there, your dhcp client is not running |
| 21:26.33 | grigora | graeme_: then your disk speed is pretty much irrelevant, cause unless your network is on fiber channel, your disk is always going to be faster than the network, hence it does not matter |
| 21:26.41 | graeme_ | and load balancing is how one maximises usage of existing bandwidth. |
| 21:27.01 | peterS | d: drivers are usually C code. if you don't know whether your .c file is a driver, you certainly don't know enough to be able to compile it into a working one |
| 21:27.02 | graeme_ | grigora, but if there are multiple simultaneous users.. then the diskspeed becomes an issue too. |
| 21:27.04 | asuffield | fibrechannel is a mechanism for attaching disks, not network |
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| 21:27.26 | d | peters: agreed |
| 21:27.27 | asuffield | and a 100Mbit network card needs approximately 3 modern hard drives to keep up with it |
| 21:27.31 | psychonate | 20 gigs finished in appx. 17.5 minutes |
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| 21:27.47 | d | peters: check this out: http://www.kernel.org/hg/linux-2.6/?cmd=filediff;node=e754884340df94746ef07a18232a4da674dede0e;file=drivers/scsi/sata_promise.c |
| 21:27.48 | chris | asuffield: oh i know, the log file shows nothing unusual i ment |
| 21:27.53 | alvanson | okay, I have samba and cups configured to work together, but my windows machines can only access the default printer, not any of the other ones. How do I allow the machines to access all the printers? |
| 21:27.53 | d | peters: is that a kernel driver? |
| 21:28.06 | narg | Gah, whats the number version of chmod +rwrwrw? |
| 21:28.08 | peterS | d: where did you get that url? |
| 21:28.16 | asuffield | chris: well what *did* you get from that client? |
| 21:28.16 | chris | narg: 666 |
| 21:28.19 | peterS | d: it's actually a patch to a kernel driver |
| 21:28.23 | narg | chris: thanks :) |
| 21:28.52 | chris | gsuffield: i got a ip from the subnet { range ... } declaration |
| 21:28.53 | d | peters: i found the module I need PDC0619 and did a search for it, that came up |
| 21:28.57 | grigora | graeme_: all your users use the same amount of bandwidth, bandwidth is the bottleneck, just because you have multiple users doesn't mean that you get more bw than you are allocated |
| 21:29.09 | d | peters: now I want to get that patch INTO my current kernel (for my TX4000 raid controller) |
| 21:29.11 | peterS | d: you mean PDC20619? |
| 21:29.16 | d | peters: yes |
| 21:29.28 | asuffield | chris: it delivered the address correctly, and it was just the wrong address? |
| 21:29.36 | grigora | asuffield: fiber optic can be used for network connections, like all the large routers do |
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| 21:29.45 | songpenguin | hello |
| 21:29.47 | rvgate | hi al |
| 21:29.48 | asuffield | grigora: fibrechannel is something else |
| 21:29.48 | rvgate | :) |
| 21:29.50 | d | peters: so, i have this info.. but I dont know how to get it to work :) |
| 21:30.12 | yuacht | flicka med msn? |
| 21:30.15 | RvGaTe | I finally got my debian working... running kde as we speak :) |
| 21:30.19 | chris | asuffield: hold on a sec |
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| 21:30.29 | songpenguin | can anyone tell me where to find a list of apt repositories? |
| 21:30.34 | songpenguin | RvGaTe: yay |
| 21:30.38 | peterS | d: it's a patch in a git repository. I don't know how to navigate this web-based git thing well enough to know what Linux kernels it might or might not already be in |
| 21:30.56 | d | peters: http://www.kernel.org/hg/linux-2.6/ |
| 21:30.56 | dli | how do I know whether my system has ISA? trying to decide whether I need isa in kernel |
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| 21:31.16 | RvGaTe | But i noticed i didn't have any sound, and my dvi display isn't working... and i can only use 800x600 or lower resolution... |
| 21:31.16 | Blissex | dli: if it is a PC, you need to enable ISA regardless. |
| 21:31.18 | narg | drw-rw-rw- 62 narg narg 4096 2005-08-05 14:12 narg/ <- permission of ~, yet it doesnt let me cd into it, or use ls when in it, etc. Wtf? |
| 21:31.18 | songpenguin | dli: open it up |
| 21:31.20 | streuner | dli: you need ISA as option |
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| 21:31.20 | exobyte | If I don't specify the interface for an iptables rule, will it apply to all? |
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| 21:31.29 | peterS | d: yes, well. if you know this system you can answer the question for yourself - what kernels is this patch included in? |
| 21:31.36 | dli | Blissex, songpenguin streuner thanks |
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| 21:31.49 | Karnaugh | "Do you want to entrust font management to defoma?" |
| 21:31.54 | Karnaugh | someone tell me if i do? :P |
| 21:31.56 | zcat[1] | narg: for a directory you want rwx |
| 21:31.57 | d | peters: it just says 2.6 |
| 21:31.58 | songpenguin | dli: welcome |
| 21:31.58 | chris | asuffield: i have two subnet declarations at the begining of my dhcpd.conf, x and y, the dhcp server is on x. i have a host me { hardware ethernet blahblah; fixed-address x; } that works fine, when i switch fixed-address to subnet y, it doesn't give it out and just returns an ip in the subnet range for x |
| 21:31.59 | s_ward | Karnaugh, probably |
| 21:32.05 | d | peters: im currently running 2.6.11-1 |
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| 21:32.14 | Blissex | Karnaugh: if you do not know better, go for DeFoMa. |
| 21:32.15 | Keegan | I have a quick question: should I format the partition iin which I will put debian as a fat32 or as ntfs? |
| 21:32.18 | d | peters: I just dont know how to add that file.. or what to add it to |
| 21:32.21 | dli | Blissex, songpenguin streuner: what about EISA? |
| 21:32.26 | Karnaugh | alright |
| 21:32.27 | Karnaugh | thanks |
| 21:32.29 | asuffield | chris: are they on two different network interfaces? |
| 21:32.30 | Blissex | Karnaugh: font configuration is amazingly complicated. |
| 21:32.32 | songpenguin | dli: id you don't know you doin't need it ;-) |
| 21:32.37 | peterS | d: yes it does. so that doesn't help much, does it? you can still figure out which kernels the patch is in, if you're clever. I just don't know how to navigate the system in question |
| 21:32.42 | songpenguin | dli: you probably don't |
| 21:32.44 | chris | asuffield: nope one network interface on the dhcp server |
| 21:32.49 | Karnaugh | Blissex: I know this, did it manualy on FreeBSD and gave up |
| 21:32.51 | Karnaugh | :P |
| 21:32.55 | asuffield | chris: then how does it have two subnet declarations? |
| 21:33.03 | dli | songpenguin, thanks, I'm trying to minimize my kernel size, tight RAM for an old box |
| 21:33.11 | peterS | d: given your skill level, I suggest just finding a kernel that this patch has already been applied to. much simpler than trying to patch a given kernel |
| 21:33.11 | chris | heh i added a second one, prob in error. i need to read the docs |
| 21:33.19 | songpenguin | dli: ISA stands for Industry Standard Architecture if memory serves, EISA is Extended ISA I think |
| 21:33.20 | d | peters: well, how about this http://lwn.net/Articles/126097/ |
| 21:33.22 | Keegan | when I format the partition to put debian on, I format it as FAT32 and not NTFS, right? |
| 21:33.25 | aktinos | Keegan: probably as ext3 |
| 21:33.39 | zcat[1] | found bashpodder.. looks ideal (pretty close to the script I already wrote for gramming groklaw and the register's RSS feeds |
| 21:33.40 | asuffield | chris: it uses the interface address to figure out which interface the clients should be on |
| 21:34.00 | streuner | dli: higher versions of kernels need usually more RAM... |
| 21:34.03 | technos | Okay... Now that I've ironed out my radeon problem... |
| 21:34.11 | peterS | d: what are you asking for? for me to read you that email? |
| 21:34.13 | Keegan | aktinos: I was going to do it in windows, it only lets you choose fat32 or ntfs |
| 21:34.32 | songpenguin | dli: well, heres the thing, ISA is the forrunner to PCI |
| 21:34.41 | songpenguin | dli: you probably don't need it |
| 21:34.43 | dli | streuner, I want to disable anything I don't need, I don't audio, usb, serial, parallel, pcmcia, etc |
| 21:34.44 | aktinos | Keegan: so do it when installing debian |
| 21:34.54 | d | peters: no, you asked for a specific kernel version, that is a "patch" for my current kernel for the device in question im trying to get working |
| 21:34.59 | songpenguin | dli: WHY!!! |
| 21:35.03 | Karnaugh | while i've got attention and that sort of thing :P |
| 21:35.06 | streuner | dli: how much RAM do you have? |
| 21:35.10 | Karnaugh | anyone have suggestions on mail clients? |
| 21:35.11 | narg | Finally, got it so my users (main and kde svn) effectivly share a home directory. |
| 21:35.17 | d | peters: im asking how exactly to use it, do I patch it before I compile? or can I do it now without a reroll |
| 21:35.19 | songpenguin | dli: IMHO you are nuts |
| 21:35.24 | Karnaugh | I'm pretty much used to ThunderBird but there is lots i hate about it |
| 21:35.24 | dli | streuner, is MCA part of PCMCIA? I have 240 MB, (16 RAM used by video) |
| 21:35.26 | Keegan | aktinos, I had another OS on that partition, and I need to format it, and I still want to keep windows as well. Is this a problem in doing it in debian? |
| 21:35.30 | songpenguin | dli: although I did it a long time ago ;-) |
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| 21:35.33 | technos | How the hell do you configure text mode and screen geometry on a framebuffer console these days? Last time I did it, you had to edit /etc/TextMode [sic] and beat on it, or muck with kbd.. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore.. |
| 21:35.38 | peterS | d: yes, you patch it before you compile. or you find a kernel version that already has it. |
| 21:35.50 | d | peters: okay, ill look for a kernel that has it |
| 21:35.51 | streuner | dli: 240 are more than enough, just use a kernel-image |
| 21:35.52 | aktinos | Keegan: no, just read the installation manual |
| 21:36.01 | dli | songpenguin, hehe, kinda of fun, linux system still takes 22 MB after booting, I want to suppress more |
| 21:36.09 | cire | how may I log filesystem activities? (which program accessess harddisk NOW, and which file) |
| 21:36.16 | songpenguin | dli: don't forget to turn off modules |
| 21:36.22 | zcat[1] | hell, I've only got 192M in the kids box and it runs just fine with the stock kernels |
| 21:36.24 | Keegan | aktinos, sweet. Has anyone had problems using the DVD ISOs? |
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| 21:36.28 | technos | Man, I am a noob on x86. |
| 21:36.32 | aktinos | Keegan: and do backups, of course |
| 21:36.33 | dli | streuner, yeah, the bare system now takes 22 MB :) |
| 21:36.47 | Blissex | cire: look at the 'laptop-mode.txt' ddocument, there is a little '/proc' thing called 'dump' that logs all that. |
| 21:36.50 | Keegan | aktinos, yes, of course, thank u for the reminder |
| 21:36.57 | cire | thanks |
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| 21:37.30 | Blissex | cire: mroe precisely, '/proc/sys/vm/block_dump' |
| 21:37.42 | zcat[1] | kernels are pretty modular these days, I don't think you can save much or any ram by leaving stuff out since if it isn't used, it usually doesn't get loaded either.. |
| 21:38.03 | peterS | d: it was merged in linux 2.6.13-rc1 |
| 21:38.08 | Blissex | technos: 'SVGATextMode' was used to configure non-framebuffer consoles. |
| 21:38.18 | peterS | d: the latest is 2.6.13-rc5 |
| 21:38.32 | songpenguin | dli: bbl, ttyl |
| 21:38.32 | Blissex | technos: true framebuffer consoles are configured with 'vga=xxxx' codes at boot, and there are other ways. |
| 21:38.34 | songpenguin | later all |
| 21:38.44 | dli | zcat[1], what bbl ? |
| 21:38.47 | d | what is a -grml kernel? |
| 21:39.01 | s_ward | technos, re: fb console, apt-cache search kernel-doc -- install one, look in /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-<version>/Documentation/fb |
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| 21:40.09 | rvgate | How do i install the Nvidia display drivers... it says i need to shutdown the X server, but that will terminate KDE right? |
| 21:40.09 | technos | Blissex: So I can still pass it the old style triplet like on sparc32 and parisc64? I swear to god that went away in the newer kernels, and was only maintained in the ports. |
| 21:40.19 | Gathond | rvgate: yes |
| 21:40.28 | rvgate | Gathond: so how do i do it then ? |
| 21:40.31 | Blissex | technos: non x86 architectures are special cases in almost everything... |
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| 21:40.53 | zcat[1] | speaking of fb .. I have a beige G3 powerpc .. using bootX to load the kernel. If I leave the video checkbox on the whole screen flashes constantly (on for 2s, off for 2s) in text or X .. If I turn the checkbox off, I get a 16-colour tux logo, no textmode, no other video until X loads |
| 21:40.53 | Gathond | rvgate: so you do it from the text console instead of from a KDE terminal emulater program |
| 21:40.59 | Blissex | rvgate: yes, you needd to be in text mode, not X/KDE mode. |
| 21:40.59 | zcat[1] | and suggestions? |
| 21:41.01 | d | what is a -grml kernel? http://grml.supersized.org/archives/81-kernel-2.6.12-grml-up-and-running.html |
| 21:41.23 | rvgate | Gathond: Blissex: so how do i switch to text mode easily ? |
| 21:41.26 | technos | Blissex: Yeah.. But for example, I pass vga=792 for 1Kx768 on the STI next to me.. That behavior is still supported? |
| 21:41.30 | Blissex | zcat[1]: ask in #Debian-PPC or #linux-PPC for example. |
| 21:41.48 | aktinos | d: http://grml.org/kernel/ |
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| 21:42.08 | Gathond | rvgate: close X, how to do that depends on how you start X, you might need to close kdm, gdm or other X login managers if you use such |
| 21:42.16 | Blissex | rvgate: e.g. by booting in single user mode. But also, there are '.deb' packages for NVIDIA, for stcok Debian kernels. |
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| 21:42.35 | d | aktinos: you think it would it be okay if I used this kernel? |
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| 21:43.14 | A64 | hmm :) |
| 21:43.23 | rvgate | Blissex: at the install, i choosed to use the NV display driver... but somehow i cant get higher then 800x600 and only 1 monitor on vga works.. so i downloaded the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 21:43.46 | aktinos | d: what's wrong with the vanilla kernel? |
| 21:43.59 | d | aktinos: i need the PDC20619 patch |
| 21:44.00 | Blissex | rvgate: the NVIDIA proprietary drivers are only useful for 3D acceleration, and they are a lot harder to setup than the 'nv' freeware driver. |
| 21:44.02 | technos | Hrm.. It appears from the kernel docs the behavior from 2.0 and 2.2 is preserved on x86, no matter what I see in my debian-parisc mailing list folder, heh. |
| 21:44.02 | zcat[1] | hmm.. nobody in linux-ppc, nobody talking in debian-ppc |
| 21:44.03 | peterS | aktinos: versions before 2.6.13-rc1 do not support his IDE chip |
| 21:44.06 | A64 | ugly : It works ! :))) That my Debian finally from my A64 system :) |
| 21:44.26 | Blissex | rvgate: if you are having X configuration problems, switching to the proprietary driver probably will not help a lot. |
| 21:44.33 | d | im going to try it :D |
| 21:44.35 | A64 | SLorensen isn't here right now to thank him his image.. |
| 21:44.38 | ugly | A64: what worked? LSorensen's image or? |
| 21:44.43 | A64 | yepp :) |
| 21:44.44 | rvgate | Blissex: so, what do you suggest |
| 21:44.45 | zcat[1] | nvidia isn't too hard, just install build-essentials and the kernel headers first.. |
| 21:44.48 | d | hm |
| 21:44.53 | Blissex | rvgate: almost always problems like yours are caused by not having told the X configuration program which type of monitor you got. |
| 21:44.55 | d | looks like I can just use the image |
| 21:45.11 | Blissex | rvgate: so I would suggest rerunning one of the several X configuration programs. |
| 21:45.33 | A64 | Kernel image 2.6.12 knows all of my hardware. :) Very nice. I'll thank him later if I can find him here. |
| 21:45.58 | Blissex | rvgate: the ''canonical'' Debian method is to do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', but you can also use 'xf86config' or 'xf86cfg' or 'X -configure' |
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| 21:47.14 | Technel | How do I change my default window manager? |
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| 21:47.49 | peterS | one way would be ln -s /usr/bin/X11/twm ~/bin/x-window-manager |
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| 21:48.07 | technos | Of course, you don't want to use twm as your WM. :) |
| 21:48.09 | peterS | that may or may not work, I haven't tried it. depends on whether Xsession puts ~/bin in path |
| 21:48.18 | asuffield | doubt it |
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| 21:48.30 | Blissex | Technel: depends a bit on who starts the window manager... |
| 21:48.38 | Technel | Well I just downloaded KDE and I want to try it instead of XFCE |
| 21:48.44 | asuffield | it'd be somewhat more practical to use ~/.xsession |
| 21:48.51 | Blissex | Technel: and whether you mean window manager or desktop environment, and KDE is a desktop environment. |
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| 21:49.04 | peterS | asuffield: the problem with ~/.xsession is there's no way to just *augment* the default X session which does a whole bunch of stuff |
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| 21:49.10 | Blissex | Technel: how do you start X? |
| 21:49.12 | d | i dled a kernel source that is .deb, how do I install it? |
| 21:49.16 | d | or.. unpack it |
| 21:49.16 | Technel | Blissex: startx... |
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| 21:49.50 | magnus___ | d: dpkg -i kernel.deb, and it's probably extracted in /usr/src/ if its a kernel-source |
| 21:49.50 | Blissex | Technel: then it is pretty easy, use 'xinit startkde' |
| 21:50.00 | rvgate | Blissex: where do i setup my screen... ? i cant seem to find it anywhere... (im in kde) |
| 21:50.00 | Technel | Okay, thank you |
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| 21:50.22 | uwe | hello, when i set my update and package managemnt tool (apt-get) to use stable, does this mean that i wont have new packages added till next stable is released (this took a few years last time AFAIK) or will it update when ever a package is considered stable? |
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| 21:50.53 | uwe | ie, are new packages frequently added to stable? |
| 21:50.58 | s_ward | uwe, you should get security updates, assuming you have the relevant sources enabled |
| 21:51.09 | technos | You ever get one of those moments you feel like a complete and total retard because you just did something you've done 2000 times on other arches and yet you had to check a fscking man page to accomplish it? |
| 21:51.13 | s_ward | uwe, packages generally stay the same |
| 21:51.16 | PerfDave | uwe: Only security updates are added to stable releases. |
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| 21:51.24 | s_ward | !stable |
| 21:51.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r0, or ask me about releases. |
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| 21:51.39 | Technel | "xinit startkde" did not work -- it said it couldn't find command startkde or something similar |
| 21:51.57 | technos | Damnit. All you fools irc'ing as root, go flog yourselves. |
| 21:52.30 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 21:52.36 | DoppelGanger | whip it whip it good |
| 21:52.54 | technos | Definitly a "Please uncage Devo" moment. |
| 21:52.56 | Blissex | rvgate: all those configurators are from the command line. For KDE, there is another configurator under 'Peripherals' in 'Control Centre' |
| 21:53.00 | uwe | well, this would mean that if i want to setup a system for endusers, it wont be a good idea to use debian stable, since it will be pretty not up to date after a couple of years! |
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| 21:53.18 | Technel | I have been using XFCE for a while, but I want to try KDE. I installed it, but I was wondering how I can startx with KDE. "xinit startkde" did not work. "startkde" says that it cannot connect or find the X server.. |
| 21:53.25 | Blissex | uwe: indeed :-) |
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| 21:53.45 | outlaw84 | All my I/O operations are about at half speed or less when I am running debian on my computer instead of Windows... ie writing to harddrive "only" goes with a speed of 13Mbyte/sek instead of 25-30 that I get in windows, I did check and dma is enabled... its the same with the network I only get <5Mbyte/s using any protocoll while geting 9-10Mbyte/sek in Windows..... Is there something I can do to speed up my linux installation? |
| 21:54.23 | technos | uwe: Stable will continue to be out of date to a maximum granularity of 1.5 years.. So long as the fearless leader with the tentacle-porn fetish gets his way, the release cycle shouldn't slow any.. So long as you're locked to "stable" and not "sarge", that is. |
| 21:54.30 | Blissex | Technel: 'startkde' is a standard KDE command that just starts KDE as it says. try 'ls -ld /usr/bin/start*' |
| 21:54.38 | s_ward | uwe, Ubuntu is a good choice for a desktop systen, kept fairly up to date |
| 21:55.02 | Blissex | outlaw84: that may be because of some peculiarity of the measurement... |
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| 21:55.15 | DoppelGanger | he he |
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| 21:55.40 | uwe | technos, umm, i didnt get what you said properly :) |
| 21:55.45 | technos | On the other hand, you can't beat Debian support, especially on non x86. Which is what 9/10 of the systems I have installed Debian on in the last two months are |
| 21:55.52 | Blissex | outlaw84: GNU/Linux has a lot more dæmons (services) running usually than MS Windows and they do IO operations that slow down benchmarks. |
| 21:55.55 | outlaw84 | Blissex: you means that the applications I am using in GNU/Linux are reporting wrong= |
| 21:55.59 | Blissex | outlaw84: try again in single user mode. |
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| 21:56.17 | cire | how do I get the sum of all filesizes in a directory? |
| 21:56.22 | Ae|-_GoD | hey, I have setup correctly psybnc, I edit the hosts.allow file, I openned the 32000 port in my router, where psybnc runs, but the person can't connect, he gets connection refused, any ideas? |
| 21:56.31 | und0 | cire: du -ch |
| 21:56.49 | outlaw84 | Blissex: how do I go to single user mode? |
| 21:57.13 | technos | uwe: At this point, packages in stable are about a year dated. When the next release rolls out, in a year or so, you'll go back to a 1 year or newer system. |
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| 21:57.57 | uwe | well, its like this, i want to set up an ltsp server, so it wont be nice to hang and throw 20 users out, so i need it to be stable, on the other hand i want fairly up to date open office and browser and stuff, so should i stick to stable? or ? |
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| 21:58.14 | Blissex | outlaw84: there are specific low level benchmarks for both disc and net IO, for disc it is 'hdparm -t' and for net you can use 'netcat' |
| 21:58.30 | Ae|-_GoD | someone? :P |
| 21:58.36 | Blissex | outlaw84: to go into single user mode add 'single' to the kernel boot arguments |
| 21:58.39 | PerfDave | uwe: It's not like the software in stable actually loses functionality over time. It might not be the newest software, but it's going to work, not have any problems, and get security updates. |
| 21:58.41 | zcat[1] | 'unstable' doesn't mean it hangs; it means that things change a lot more often and sometimes might get broken.. |
| 21:58.58 | technos | uwe: In that case I would use two smaller machines. One running stable and one running etch or something for your openoffice abuse. |
| 21:59.08 | PerfDave | uwe: And the release gap between Woody and Sarge was extraordinary for a number of reasons. |
| 21:59.31 | Blissex | uwe: many people use a base of 'stable' for the base packages, but use many packages from 'testing' for GUI stuff. |
| 21:59.31 | PerfDave | uwe: And if you really want, you can backport packages to the stable release if you can handle doing manual security updates. |
| 21:59.59 | Blissex | PerfDave: but the social reasons for the extraordinary delay have remained... |
| 22:00.12 | PerfDave | Blissex: That's a matter of opinion :) |
| 22:00.40 | outlaw84 | Blissex: is single user mode what it sound like? That I can have more the one user logged in at the same time? |
| 22:00.47 | uwe | hmm, thats interesting, stable base and testing gui! |
| 22:00.51 | outlaw84 | *can't |
| 22:01.01 | s_ward | technos, do you recommend using testing? I understood it didn't get regular security updates, and there'd be a delay for them to propogate from unstable |
| 22:01.03 | technos | The new DPL is the only guy to ever officially creep my girlfriend out on irc.. That's power. He'll get his way. |
| 22:01.09 | Blissex | outlaw84: single user mode is basically that all the multiuser support is not enabled, that is most dæmons and so on. |
| 22:01.25 | s_ward | "them" being new packages |
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| 22:02.11 | Blissex | outlaw84: you may to manually enable networking as in '/etc/init.d/network start' for example/ |
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| 22:02.46 | technos | s_ward: There is a delay, but you're also not encumbered with the rapid changes that are the nature of Sid and you're not stuck with year old packages on Sarge.. For a desktop not exposed to the raw internet, not running any do-or-die services, etch should be just fine. |
| 22:02.47 | outlaw84 | Blissex: I used "hdparm -t" on one of my disks and got 39Mb/sek but thats far from what I get when I us it |
| 22:02.50 | PerfDave | There's really nothing wrong with running Debian stable on a desktop. I'm doing so right now :) |
| 22:02.52 | goatse | so did debian get any packages made this century yet? |
| 22:02.56 | mls | technos: how did that happen? |
| 22:03.21 | Blissex | outlaw84: you may have to discover some important little details about filesystem performance optimization :-) |
| 22:03.28 | uwe | technos, could you please elaborate on this 2 machines thingie? is it so that i have a backup system or do they colaborate in some way?! |
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| 22:03.38 | technos | mls: She got him as a mentor when she joined up as a DD. |
| 22:03.52 | Warp4 | hi all, does anyone have a URL where I can download the DVD ISOs directly for the AMD64 port of Debian? |
| 22:03.55 | PerfDave | I think it's just a matter of mentality. I completely fail to understand why the the most recent version of software is automatically better or must-have. |
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| 22:04.10 | outlaw84 | Blissex: I was thinking that it was that file systems fault but I get the same speed on vfat and ext3 |
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| 22:04.14 | PerfDave | Warp4: Ask #debian-amd64 ? I don't think that the DVD ISOs are avaliable directly, you'll need to jigdo or bittorrent them. |
| 22:04.28 | Warp4 | yeah but having problems with jigdo here |
| 22:04.36 | Blissex | outlaw84: it is not necessarily the fault of the filesystem :-). |
| 22:04.36 | PerfDave | Warp4: What problems? |
| 22:04.50 | dupondje | can i del the swap partition (sda2) in fdisk without losing partition1 ? |
| 22:04.52 | Warp4 | well first off, let me ask this .. is there a console version of jigdo available? |
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| 22:04.54 | technos | uwe: Two seperate systems. Neither serves as an overlap for the other in any way. You needed a particular server process for the users, that requires uptime and stability. Throw a 486 or a pentium from the closet at it. On the other hand, you also needed an up to date OO for yourself. Use the machine you initially had slated for both tasks in the role of desktop |
| 22:05.00 | PerfDave | Warp4: Yes, it's called jigdo ;) |
| 22:05.16 | Blissex | outlaw84: even if different filesystems may require very different use strategies. And FAT filesystems under Linux have high overheads, so not recommended. |
| 22:05.16 | Warp4 | PerfDave it says that it cannot connect to my xserver |
| 22:05.23 | outlaw84 | Blissex: whats fault is it then? :) I mostly dont understand why the network is slowed down |
| 22:05.27 | Warp4 | I mean as in NON-GUI |
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| 22:05.50 | PerfDave | Warp4: Yes, the jidgo package contains command-line jigdo clients. |
| 22:05.59 | PerfDave | Warp4: I didn't realise there was a GUI jigdo client. |
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| 22:06.20 | Warp4 | Last login: Fri Aug 5 17:36:28 2005 from 24.48.38.130 |
| 22:06.20 | Warp4 | robert@uhura:~$ jigdo |
| 22:06.20 | Warp4 | (jigdo:18002): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 22:06.22 | cbr | is libc6 2.3.5 from sid gonna brake anything? |
| 22:06.26 | Warp4 | see? |
| 22:06.35 | uwe | technos, hmmm |
| 22:06.43 | PerfDave | Warp4: Use jigdo-lite |
| 22:06.54 | Ae|-_GoD | someone? |
| 22:07.00 | dupondje | can i del the swap partition (sda2) in fdisk without losing partition1 ? |
| 22:07.04 | s_ward | cbr, on sarge? Yes |
| 22:07.10 | Warp4 | robert@uhura:~$ jigdo-lite |
| 22:07.10 | Warp4 | -bash: jigdo-lite: command not found |
| 22:07.12 | cbr | s_ward: on sid |
| 22:07.16 | Warp4 | i would if i could ;) |
| 22:07.17 | PerfDave | cbr: apt-listbugs |
| 22:07.25 | PerfDave | !installit |
| 22:07.25 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 22:07.38 | cbr | s_ward: it's in sid now |
| 22:07.39 | technos | uwe: As a general rule, never use a machine also slated for desktop use to provide useful services to users unless you can't avoid it. |
| 22:07.39 | cbr | from today |
| 22:07.41 | Ae|-_GoD | hey, I have setup correctly psybnc, I edit the hosts.allow file, I openned the 32000 port in my router, where psybnc runs, but the person can't connect, he gets connection refused, any ideas? |
| 22:07.43 | s_ward | cbr, I'm running it |
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| 22:07.50 | cbr | ok |
| 22:07.57 | PerfDave | cbr: Check the BTS, or use apt-listbugs |
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| 22:08.13 | outlaw84 | Blissex: I want sure about my GNU/Linux traslation at the last reinstallation of my system and ended up have a vfat and a ntfs partition on my system... but as I said earlier I get the same speed on my ext3 partation |
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| 22:08.15 | cbr | nvm, i'll just install it and whine here if it fails :> |
| 22:08.25 | PerfDave | cbr: CHECK THE BTS |
| 22:08.35 | s_ward | cbr, don't whine, please |
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| 22:08.53 | cbr | it was a figure of speech ;p |
| 22:09.06 | und0 | Ae|-_GoD: don't know what psybnc is, but do you have forwarded the port from the router to your box? |
| 22:09.18 | Matsuo | Hey, anyone here have a moment to help me? I'm having problems getting apache2 to work with php4 |
| 22:09.18 | Ae|-_GoD | und0: yes |
| 22:09.24 | uwe | technos, im sorry, i dont speak english natively, so you were saying, the machine that should run stable to be up all the time wont run the dektop applications? (im having trouble with the word slated) ! |
| 22:09.36 | ice_1963 | wine |
| 22:10.06 | s_ward | !tell Matsuo about ask |
| 22:10.27 | Warp4 | !tell Warp4 about jigdo |
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| 22:11.08 | s_ward | Warp4, you can also /msg dpkg jigdo :) |
| 22:11.09 | uwe | technos, and so i need not a very powerful machine for that, and ill use a powerful machine to run testing to have up to date GUI applications, did i get you correctly? |
| 22:11.45 | zcat[1] | uwe: just run everything on unstable. it won't 'crash randomly' - unstable just means lots of things change when you update (and sometimes you will need to reconfigure them if they stop working) |
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| 22:12.10 | PerfDave | zcat[1]: Or, y'know, it'll totally hose your system entirely at random. |
| 22:12.12 | s_ward | "just jump off that cliff over there" |
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| 22:12.59 | Warp4 | hmmm, my box cannot find the jigdo-lite script :( |
| 22:13.13 | uwe | zcat[1], unstable???? u mean testing , no? |
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| 22:13.39 | zcat[1] | we run a webserver on unstable. It never goes down, but when we do updates we do the test server first and then check that none of our scripts or config are going to break.. other than that it's not a problem |
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| 22:13.54 | PerfDave | zcat[1]: Remind me to never ever ever give you a job :) |
| 22:14.09 | PerfDave | uwe: Really, just run stable for now, it's still pretty up-to-date. Get familiar with using Debian, and if you later decide to sacrifice security and stability for newer software, you can easily change from stable to testing. |
| 22:14.19 | war- | Anyone alive w/dual monitor setup? I have two machines, one mine, another a friend's, we both have almost identical configs -- when I use mplayer I can drag the video from 1 monitor to the 2nd and it works fine-- but when you do this on my friend's box, the video is not displayed the configs are almost identical, any clues? |
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| 22:15.04 | PerfDave | "I live in a minefield. Occasionally, I get my leg blown off, but other than that it's not a problem" ;) |
| 22:15.14 | zcat[1] | PerfDave: wasn't my decision; I actually recommended using stable.. |
| 22:15.14 | Matsuo | Anyone able to help me getting apache2 working on a debian sarge system with php 4.3? |
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| 22:15.31 | uwe | ok, thanks all for your advice |
| 22:15.57 | zcat[1] | but unstable does not mean 'randomly falls over' |
| 22:16.07 | CalibanDNS | What's the correct place in debian to specify a module that I need to load at boot time? |
| 22:16.21 | PerfDave | zcat[1]: Yes, it does. There's *nothing* to stop a random update from trashing your entire system. |
| 22:16.41 | s_ward | CalibanDNS, /etc/modules |
| 22:17.09 | zcat[1] | yes there is; do manual updates, and apply them to the test server first. |
| 22:17.16 | CalibanDNS | s_ward: doh! |
| 22:17.20 | CalibanDNS | thanks |
| 22:17.30 | uwe | PerfDave, well, but it means that the applications it runs, _may _ randomly fall over! its just im intruducing linux to an audience that have never used it, and i dont want it to look ugly! im i right? |
| 22:17.38 | s_ward | no problem :) |
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| 22:17.59 | s_ward | uwe, and when it breaks, it looks downright ugly to me |
| 22:17.59 | PerfDave | uwe: If I were you, I'd run stable. The software in stable is very good for desktop tasks, it has security updates and won't break randomly. |
| 22:18.17 | apocalypse2012_d | anyone here using the RTL8180 chipset? |
| 22:18.37 | s_ward | !anyone |
| 22:18.37 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:18.39 | uwe | apocalypse2012_d, ethernet ? |
| 22:18.41 | s_ward | !poll |
| 22:18.41 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 22:18.43 | zcat[1] | bah!! Use ubuntu!! |
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| 22:19.14 | supernix | or better yet use kubuntu |
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| 22:19.17 | PerfDave | zcat[1]: Oh, do shut up. You've done nothing but give bad advice and feed bullshit to a Linux newbie. |
| 22:19.17 | apocalypse2012_d | dpkg, es |
| 22:19.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:19.17 | supernix | :D |
| 22:19.20 | uwe | ill run stable untill it looks too old :) |
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| 22:19.23 | apocalypse2012_d | dpkg, yes |
| 22:19.23 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 22:19.48 | Technel | Okay, I uninstalled XFCE and installed KDE. However, I can't do "startx" anymore. I have to do "xinit /usr/bin/startkde". How do I get startx to work again? |
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| 22:20.28 | d | I have a kernel source, but when I type make config it asks me a lot of module questions, is there a way I can just get it to use my old .config file and NOT answer questions? |
| 22:20.34 | zcat[1] | whatever.. I'm using unstable at home and on the webserver. Yes, when I apply updates I sometimes have to fix the config. Between updates the box is totally stable. |
| 22:20.34 | s_ward | (at attempted conversation with dpkg, that is) |
| 22:20.35 | PerfDave | uwe: Good call :) |
| 22:20.43 | Matsuo | Can anyone here help me make apache 2 work properly with php 4.3 on a debian sarge box? |
| 22:20.59 | PerfDave | d: Copy your old config into the kernel source tree and type "make oldconfig", I think. |
| 22:20.59 | apocalypse2012_d | anyone here using the RTL8180 chipset? |
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| 22:21.11 | d | PerfDave: I did.. it still asks me questions |
| 22:21.28 | rata | d, yes, just copy the config file of the kernel you want :) |
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| 22:21.50 | d | and just hit N to everything here after? |
| 22:21.58 | PerfDave | d: "make config" will walk you through the entire config process IIRC. Try using "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig" instead? |
| 22:22.09 | s_ward | apocalypse2012_d, someone maybe, I'm not, but maybe you'd get an answer if you told us what your problem is |
| 22:22.11 | PerfDave | d: And don't forget to use make-kpkg. Why are you compiling your own kernel anyway? |
| 22:22.34 | pusling | compiling kernels are kool ;) |
| 22:22.44 | d | PerfDave: because. this grml has support for my PCI raid card |
| 22:22.50 | apocalypse2012_d | debian knows whats best for you kernel |
| 22:22.52 | d | PerfDave: i have been working on this for 3 days.. |
| 22:22.54 | zcat[1] | PerfDave: he wants to save 2k or memory by leaving out the module support and symbols.. |
| 22:22.59 | nvz | I am going to have to take my lazy ass back to the store or else I am gonna be hella drunk drinking this 99proof liquor without anything to mix it with |
| 22:23.00 | zcat[1] | s/or/of |
| 22:23.04 | apocalypse2012_d | or they would leave you to believe that |
| 22:23.14 | d | zcat[1]: you have no clue what you're talking about |
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| 22:23.25 | PerfDave | grml? |
| 22:23.27 | zcat[1] | sorry, was that the other guy? |
| 22:23.29 | pusling | apocalypse2012_d: debian knows nothing about my kernel - and external modules are build much easier agains kerner.org-kernel |
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| 22:23.48 | d | PerfDave: http://grml.org/kernel/ |
| 22:23.57 | technos | nvz: 99 proof? It's a bad idea to drink solvent straight from the can.. Try something you can enjoy, like a nice Guinness or some Hakutsuru |
| 22:24.07 | nvz | heh |
| 22:24.12 | s_ward | ooh, Guinness |
| 22:24.25 | nvz | technos: its not a can, its a bottle. but thats what I was thinking |
| 22:24.29 | PerfDave | d: Oh, so you're not even running Debian? |
| 22:24.30 | pusling | 99proof? That is 50% alcohol ? |
| 22:24.34 | zcat[1] | ahh.. ok. adding patches is a valid reason for building your own kernel.. |
| 22:24.52 | zcat[1] | sorry, was thinking of someone else who wanted to 'save memory' |
| 22:25.03 | d | PerfDave: I am |
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| 22:25.17 | PerfDave | d: grml is not Debian. |
| 22:25.19 | d | PerfDave: i was reccomended to find a kernel that supported my hardware |
| 22:25.34 | technos | pusling: General experience taught me anything that uses a proof over 80 as a selling point is basically industrial solvent and doesn't deserve to be down my throat. |
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| 22:25.45 | PerfDave | See, I've always recommended that people buy hardware that's supported by the OS they want to use, but maybe I'm just weird like that ;) |
| 22:25.52 | nvz | I havent had 99 Black Berries in like 2 years.. and its cheaper by volume than the Jagermeister I've been drinking. I just need an extra Black Berry to make it a full 100 Black Berries is all |
| 22:25.52 | Technel | I uninstalled XFCE and installed KDE. However, I can't do "startx" anymore. I have to do "xinit /usr/bin/startkde". How do I get startx to work again? |
| 22:25.54 | d | PerfDave: i want to get this promise fasttrack tx4000 to work (its PDC20619) and this debian-grml was the only one that I saw having the debian name AND my driver, so, im going to try it |
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| 22:26.12 | PerfDave | d: grml is not Debian. |
| 22:26.20 | d | PerfDave: you said that already |
| 22:26.22 | nvz | I have to go back to the store and find something berry flavored that tastes good |
| 22:26.25 | PerfDave | d: I'm still right :) |
| 22:26.29 | peterS | nvz: good plan |
| 22:26.33 | d | PerfDave: i never said you were wrong |
| 22:26.45 | uwe | um, ok, now not a debian relted question , what is the best way to make a guest user account, given that the machine has samiltanus multiusers running X apps? |
| 22:26.45 | PerfDave | You know, the overall level of idiocy in #debian has got massively worse in recent weeks. I think I need to take another break. |
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| 22:27.12 | Blissex | uwe: nothing special. |
| 22:27.17 | technos | nvz: Stoli and anything you can buy in the frozen juice aisle. Or, if you don't like the flavor Stoli adds (wussy!), substitute Absolut. :) |
| 22:27.18 | s_ward | d, if you're prepared to go through possible hell, try it, document it, but don't moan to us about it if it fails |
| 22:27.25 | nvz | hell I just took the smallest sip of it to remember what it tasted like so I could go pick something out.. and I already feel a little lit |
| 22:27.29 | d | s_ward: i dont plan on it |
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| 22:27.35 | zcat[1] | sheesh whazzup with perfdave? |
| 22:27.50 | d | s_ward: i could get my card to work here, this kernel says it supports it, im going to try it |
| 22:27.54 | d | nt |
| 22:28.01 | uwe | Blissex, so simply a single user name and password?? |
| 22:28.05 | zcat[1] | anybody else here feel that 'unstable' means the box is gonna randomly hang every few days? 'cos I'm sure as hell NOT seeing that! |
| 22:28.22 | nvz | technos: last time I had Stoli I was like 17 and I was playing cards drinking really tall glasses of Vanilla Stoli w/ Cream Soda.. tasted like a milk shake or something.. and when it came time to go to the bathroom I just hit the floor instead |
| 22:28.27 | pusling | zcat[1]: uptime |
| 22:28.29 | pusling | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.30 | Blissex | uwe: yes, but depends what you want to do. |
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| 22:29.09 | pusling | zcat[1]: that is debian unstable/experimental/external sources... |
| 22:29.19 | nvz | my pc has only been up 9 days.. last time it went down was ony a few seconds due to a minor brownout |
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| 22:29.36 | uwe | Blissex, AFAIK that would lead to conflicts, files on desktops are shared and browsers certifies and so |
| 22:29.55 | technos | nvz: Stoli is one of the best vodkas you can get to drink neat.. Definitly a second to Ketel One, or any of the real vodkas.. But definitly the best you can get in the US of A without racing your wallet to resource starvation. |
| 22:30.07 | uwe | Blissex, and firefox will ask for profiles! |
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| 22:30.16 | pusling | technos: starka vodka rules! |
| 22:30.16 | Blissex | uwe: you have to _add_ a new user name and password, with things like 'adduser'/'useradd'. |
| 22:30.26 | Blissex | uwe: but it is possible to share a single user, but pointless. |
| 22:30.43 | zcat[1] | off to have a shower. |
| 22:30.48 | schwach | for the default Debian 3.1 install, what is the kernel version? 2.4.x? |
| 22:30.57 | pusling | schwach: 2.6.8 |
| 22:31.00 | peterS | schwach: yes, 2.4.27 |
| 22:31.02 | pusling | isn't it ? |
| 22:31.06 | Blissex | both |
| 22:31.13 | apocalypse2012_d | you can choose the 26 kernel |
| 22:31.17 | peterS | schwach: you can boot 2.6.8 with the 'linux26' boot command, which is easy enough |
| 22:31.18 | apocalypse2012_d | but not default |
| 22:31.18 | schwach | so you can pick the one you want? |
| 22:31.22 | uwe | Blissex, on login you mean, for each user? |
| 22:31.25 | apocalypse2012_d | if you choose expert install |
| 22:31.27 | peterS | schwach: but if you don't specify, you get 2.4.27 |
| 22:31.31 | Blissex | uwe: yes, that would be nice. |
| 22:31.32 | apocalypse2012_d | you can use synaptic though |
| 22:31.33 | schwach | ok cool |
| 22:31.39 | peterS | schwach: you can also install 2.6.8 after the fact, if you wish |
| 22:31.42 | technos | pusling: You try getting real Polish vodka in the States! |
| 22:31.56 | schwach | Yeah I haven't fool with Debian in a few years, so I thought it was time again |
| 22:31.58 | schwach | :) |
| 22:32.00 | pusling | technos: I am not in the sattes ;) |
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| 22:32.02 | songpenguin | hello |
| 22:32.03 | pusling | states |
| 22:32.10 | technos | pusling: Bastard! |
| 22:32.31 | uwe | well, not if users change frequently, i was thinking of auto generated accounts that are deleted on logoff! |
| 22:32.31 | pusling | technos: right here in copenhagen, denmark, scandinavia ;) |
| 22:33.00 | schwach | Ohio here :) |
| 22:33.10 | schwach | kinda it's own country.. |
| 22:33.10 | technos | pusling: Last time I had real vodka I had it for breakfast. With espresso. With a dirty Russian truck-driver as my drinking partner. |
| 22:33.20 | songpenguin | I have a question, I am building a kernel for a pentium4 machine, what "processor family" should I set it as? |
| 22:33.27 | apocalypse2012_d | 86 |
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| 22:33.35 | ofer0 | !xorg |
| 22:33.35 | dpkg | from memory, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now uploaded. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
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| 22:33.49 | peterS | songpenguin: nothing wrong with just 686 (pentium pro) |
| 22:33.56 | ofer0 | !why does xorg not in debian |
| 22:33.57 | peterS | songpenguin: but pentium 4 has its own menu option in the kernel config, if you really want |
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| 22:34.07 | trilly | anyone here knows an utility/script to download all attachments from a given pop3 account? |
| 22:34.11 | pusling | ofer0: it is in debian |
| 22:34.11 | peterS | ofer0: xorg *is* in debian so shush (: |
| 22:34.19 | pusling | ofer0: I run xorg |
| 22:34.19 | ofer0 | oh realy? since when? |
| 22:34.26 | peterS | ofer0: hmmm, maybe a month ago? |
| 22:34.29 | ofer0 | im talking about the official repos |
| 22:34.31 | Rockret | anyone here use gnome 2.10.2 ? |
| 22:34.32 | pusling | since middle of july or somethig |
| 22:34.35 | peterS | ofer0: yes, debian unstable |
| 22:34.37 | pusling | ofer0: it is in unstable |
| 22:34.42 | songpenguin | peterS: that's odd, I don't see it, all I have is 386, 486, 586etcetc, pentium-classic, pentium-mmx, and pentium-pro |
| 22:34.45 | technos | ofer0: Change your sources to point to sid, and apt-get update/upgrade. It's a month old. |
| 22:34.50 | peterS | songpenguin: scroll (: |
| 22:34.55 | ofer0 | ok thanx :) |
| 22:35.07 | songpenguin | peterS: I am a dumbass!!!! thanks |
| 22:35.07 | pusling | ofer0: but beware. unstable is unstable |
| 22:35.11 | peterS | songpenguin: heh |
| 22:35.30 | Rockret | I am using sarge .. and I would like upgrade gnome 2.8 to 2.10.2 .. is possible ? |
| 22:35.44 | songpenguin | peterS: I thought there must be something like that somewhere |
| 22:35.48 | pusling | Rockret: gnome2.10 is not in sarge |
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| 22:36.02 | Rockret | on friend told me about "GARNOME" .. |
| 22:36.08 | technos | I should nail down one of the Russians for good vodka tomorrow. |
| 22:36.11 | peterS | songpenguin: there's an amazing number of CPU variants in that menu. I bet most of them do little if anything different in the compiler |
| 22:36.16 | Rockret | is good idea upgrade to 2.10? |
| 22:36.29 | songpenguin | peterS: they help... never hurt anyone |
| 22:36.50 | pusling | Rockret: then you need to run unstable - and unstable is *tada.wav* unstable right now |
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| 22:36.59 | Smoked1 | I am looking for the ISO for sarge but none of the directories on the server actually say sarge. How do I know what ISO to download? |
| 22:37.04 | technos | Rockret: Is there some functionality missing in your current version of Gnome that *is* in the new version that you require? Else, no.. Not worth it. |
| 22:37.09 | ofer0 | kernel 2.6 is stable ? |
| 22:37.19 | pusling | Rockret: only suicidale people like me run unstable |
| 22:37.20 | rata | ofer0, yes |
| 22:37.22 | pusling | ofer0: yes |
| 22:37.27 | songpenguin | ofer0: yeah, I have been using it for years |
| 22:37.29 | Rockret | ahhahahaa |
| 22:37.30 | Rockret | ok |
| 22:37.37 | songpenguin | ofer: and it has NEVER crashed |
| 22:37.53 | ofer0 | heh, im talking about the status, not your opinion :) i know its stable |
| 22:38.08 | songpenguin | ofer0: but because sarge took so long to come out, well... |
| 22:38.12 | Rockret | pusling, but gnome 2.10.2 is stable |
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| 22:38.26 | technos | The people that run unstable haven't been doing it since the last time someone fucked init up. :) Granted, that's been years, but someone *will* do it again. |
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| 22:38.28 | Rockret | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:38.58 | omry_ | can anyone show me his apt-proxy-v2.conf and hist sources.list ? |
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| 22:39.02 | songpenguin | Rockret: why? having the latest and greatest isn't always the best |
| 22:39.04 | peterS | songpenguin: yeah, impossible to predict at this point. unstable is going through so many transitions that etch doesn't resemble it in the least. RC bug count is well over 1000. it'll obviously be awhile no matter what |
| 22:39.05 | pusling | Rockret: you need to look for backports, go unstable or build your own gnome... It might work; it might break your system. |
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| 22:39.18 | pusling | peterS: kde3.4 is kool ;) |
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| 22:39.31 | brosio | anyone that have debian testing can check in repository if exist amule ? |
| 22:39.31 | songpenguin | Rockret: I remember the last time I upgraded firefox to the bleeding edge, it )(&) things up royaly |
| 22:39.34 | s_ward | !dict kool |
| 22:39.35 | dpkg | could not find definition for kool |
| 22:39.42 | s_ward | hmm, thought so |
| 22:39.48 | Rockret | pusling, did you here GARNOME ? |
| 22:39.51 | Rockret | ok |
| 22:39.57 | Rockret | sounds bad idea ... |
| 22:40.13 | technos | Garnome? Genome? Grr, gnome? |
| 22:40.17 | pusling | Rockret: garnome ? what is that ? |
| 22:40.20 | dowahlooh | hello, how do i paermanently activate the numpad? its always deactiveted after booting.... |
| 22:40.27 | songpenguin | peterS: I just came from Gentoo, my idea of stable is different than yours ROFL |
| 22:40.35 | Rockret | one min |
| 22:40.50 | technos | dowahlooh: Look in bios. :) It's a bios variable |
| 22:40.55 | eXistenZ | how can I remove gnome |
| 22:41.03 | peterS | songpenguin: well, unstable isn't stable by anyone's definition right now. significant bits of it can't be installed on a bare system, thanks to library version transitions in progress. |
| 22:41.06 | technos | It's marked "Numpad status" or some such. |
| 22:41.08 | pusling | Rockret: pusling@pusling:~$ apt-cache search garnome |
| 22:41.10 | pusling | pusling@pusling:~$ |
| 22:41.11 | peterS | songpenguin: but that's a good point |
| 22:41.30 | pusling | Rockret: and that is unstable and experimental |
| 22:41.32 | Technel | I uninstalled XFCE and installed KDE. However, I can't do "startx" anymore. I have to do "xinit /usr/bin/startkde". How do I get startx to work again? |
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| 22:41.44 | dowahlooh | technos: are you shure? does windows ignore this variable, or why is it normally activated in windows? |
| 22:41.56 | songpenguin | peterS: don't get me wrong, I love Gentoo (I kept it on my other machine) but I got sick of firefox crashing every 20 minutes |
| 22:42.01 | Rockret | http://www.cipherfunk.org/garnome/ |
| 22:42.06 | peterS | songpenguin: that would get old, yeah |
| 22:42.08 | Rockret | brb |
| 22:42.19 | pusling | Technel: what does your .xinitrc say ? |
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| 22:42.23 | songpenguin | peterS: I think they push things to stable too soon |
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| 22:42.43 | peterS | songpenguin: debian errs in exactly the opposite direction. I don't have much perspective on the matter, not having tried gentoo |
| 22:42.48 | Technel | pusling: ~/.xinitrc? |
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| 22:42.52 | songpenguin | peterS: it's a great learning tool though, I learned more on that this summer than I did with 3 years of linux in general |
| 22:42.53 | pusling | Technel: yes |
| 22:43.23 | Technel | pusling: Nothing, ~/.xinitrc does not exist. |
| 22:43.24 | technos | dowahlooh: Windows typically ignores it. |
| 22:43.37 | songpenguin | peterS: a few years ago I was using debian stable, I got sick of having stuff out of the stone age |
| 22:43.38 | technos | dowahlooh: And resets it to whatever it thinks is right. |
| 22:43.50 | peterS | songpenguin: that's why most debian users don't use stable |
| 22:44.00 | peterS | songpenguin: well, I guess some do, but an awful lot do not |
| 22:44.01 | pusling | Technel: try echo -e "#! /bin/bash\nstartkde" >~/.xinitrc |
| 22:44.05 | songpenguin | peterS: it's like a gun versus a club, the club doesn't misfire or jam, but it's still way better |
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| 22:44.20 | s_ward | songpenguin, LFS is a great learning tool :) .. and the From Power-up to Bash Prompt HOWTO before it |
| 22:44.24 | dowahlooh | technos: ok, then i will check the bios. thanks fpr the tipp!!! |
| 22:44.39 | songpenguin | s_ward: so they tell me |
| 22:44.54 | songpenguin | peterS: I meant, the gun is way better than the club (woops) |
| 22:44.56 | ofer0 | what is the main difference between x.org and xfree86 ? |
| 22:44.58 | Technel | pureone: "echo -e "#! /bin/bash\nstartkde" >~/.xinitrc" does not print anything to the screen |
| 22:44.59 | pusling | Rockret: Unknown host |
| 22:44.59 | pusling | www.cipherfunk.org |
| 22:45.05 | technos | songpenguin: No.. The difference is between a 1911 Colt and a Desert Eagle.. The Colt does everything the DE does, but the DE does it faster and in a more user-friendly manner.. |
| 22:45.12 | pusling | Technel: nope of course not ;) |
| 22:45.15 | pureone | technel: ok... |
| 22:45.16 | pusling | Technel: try startx |
| 22:45.17 | und0 | ofer0: the licence =) |
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| 22:45.24 | ofer0 | und0, what do you mean? |
| 22:45.27 | songpenguin | technos: are you insulting my favorite gun? |
| 22:45.34 | songpenguin | technos: I live the 1911 |
| 22:45.35 | pureone | why tell me though? |
| 22:45.35 | Technel | pusling: startx just brings up the Debian window manager..... |
| 22:45.41 | Ries | How stable is deboan unstable???? and I am looking for more update information about the new debian stable... |
| 22:45.44 | pusling | Technel: still after ? |
| 22:45.55 | pusling | Ries: unstable is_unstable_ |
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| 22:46.12 | technos | songpenguin: The 1911 colt?? Fuck no.. that thing will be reliable until the day I die.. But I'd be kind of sick of it were I carrying it as a daily-use sidearm. |
| 22:46.12 | Technel | pusling: Oh, wait ">" pipes it into .xinitrc |
| 22:46.13 | Technel | lemme try |
| 22:46.22 | pusling | Technel: excactly ;) |
| 22:46.29 | songpenguin | pusling: I guess that's why my linux buddy hasn't been on gaim recently LOL |
| 22:46.32 | brosio | why kde3.4 isn't in unstable brasch yet ? |
| 22:46.38 | Ries | pusling: My experiances is that it fairly table.... |
| 22:46.38 | brosio | why kde3.4 isn't in unstable branch yet ? |
| 22:46.39 | und0 | ofer0: Xorg was forked after a licence change of XFree86 |
| 22:46.41 | peterS | technos: ah but will it be *involved* in the day you die? |
| 22:46.42 | s_ward | !tell Ries about unstable |
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| 22:47.04 | songpenguin | technos: I didn't say the best gun to pack, I said the best gun in general |
| 22:47.05 | Technel | pusling: Worked, great, thanks! |
| 22:47.06 | pusling | brosio: awaiting c++ abi change. it is in experimental |
| 22:47.12 | ofer0 | und0, oh, ok |
| 22:47.14 | technos | peterS: one can only hope. Be a nice clean painless way to die. |
| 22:47.26 | songpenguin | technos: the 1911 sucks as a packing arm |
| 22:47.30 | ma3x | hi, I need help with the following format: XXX[.Y]h |
| 22:47.33 | ma3x | I want to specify 1 hour |
| 22:47.36 | ma3x | but how exactly? |
| 22:47.37 | brosio | what's abi ? |
| 22:47.45 | Ries | thanks for the ansers.... but unstable is more stable than testing? |
| 22:47.45 | brosio | pusling, what's abi ? |
| 22:48.03 | peterS | brosio: in what context? ABI normally means application binary interface |
| 22:48.07 | songpenguin | Ries: shoudn't testing be more stable? |
| 22:48.19 | peterS | brosio: but abi is also the name of the ant mascot of the Abiword project |
| 22:48.54 | brosio | peterS, i dont understand the connection between kde3.4 and abi |
| 22:49.03 | technos | songpenguin: I'd take the 1911 to pack for camping. Short range accuracy, I can drop it in the sand, in a river, and it will still fire. I can leave it out in the rain.. Desert Eagle? It's a fine weapon.. But I wouldn't treat it to the excesses and punishment of nature. :) It's reserved for a role on my hip, in a protective case, oiled weekly, kept clean. Users are nature. |
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| 22:49.13 | peterS | brosio: the C++ ABI thing effectively means that there will be lots of chaos in debian unstable until all C++ libraries can be rebuild with gcc 4.0, and uploaded, in the correct order, and then the same for all C++ applications |
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| 22:49.42 | peterS | brosio: this has been taking awhile and probably will continue to take awhile. KDE has to wait for libqt3 which has to wait for other things, all to be recompiled with gcc 4.0 |
| 22:49.44 | pusling | Ries: testing more stable than unstable - but don't use testing on a machine directly on the internet |
| 22:49.50 | d | question: I read this somewhere: I believe that 2.6.11 doesn't yet include the change needed to support PATA drives on the Promise controller. However, you only need to apply Jeff Garzik's libata patch on top of 2.6.11 for this to work. |
| 22:49.58 | Ries | songpenguin: I also need more up-to-date versions of mysql, php and all the stuff.... |
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| 22:50.02 | peterS | brosio: the problem with the C++ code emitted by gcc 4.0 is that it's not compatible with the C++ code emitted by gcc 3.3, which is what debian used before |
| 22:50.04 | d | now, "on top of" means before I compile? |
| 22:50.09 | pusling | brosio: advanced binary interface. how programs and librarys communicate |
| 22:50.20 | songpenguin | technos: it's like the difference between Debian and Gentoo, IMHO I still like Gentoo better than Deb, but I woudn't put it through the abuse that I would put deb through |
| 22:50.29 | omry_ | anyone here uses apt-proxy? |
| 22:50.30 | songpenguin | Ries: oh |
| 22:50.34 | brosio | peterS, thx now i understand they must recompile all with gcc4 |
| 22:50.36 | s_ward | d, yes |
| 22:50.43 | brosio | ok thx for explanation |
| 22:50.49 | pusling | songpenguin: gentoo sucks, becauce you need to upgrade from 1.x to 2.x to get security fixes |
| 22:50.57 | d | s_ward: is there a way I can add that patch to an apt-get install kernel-image option? |
| 22:51.07 | s_ward | d, no |
| 22:51.08 | peterS | brosio: it only affects apps and libraries written in C++. (which includes KDE.) stuff in C and other languages, it doesn't matter what version of gcc you use. |
| 22:51.12 | songpenguin | pusling: what do you mean? |
| 22:51.17 | d | otay |
| 22:51.42 | songpenguin | pusling: you mean how they don't provide security fixes to old software? |
| 22:51.47 | brosio | but gcc4 that is on unstable works with kde3.3 ? :D |
| 22:51.53 | Ries | pusling: I understand.... what route should I walk if I want to run debian AND want to have it connected to the net, but also need more up-to-date packages... |
| 22:51.54 | pusling | songpenguin: there is no versions in gentoo. all are newest - and on security issues, you don't get a patch for existing software |
| 22:52.06 | pusling | Ries: backports |
| 22:52.16 | songpenguin | pusling: yeah, you are supposed to keep it all up to date |
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| 22:52.36 | d | s_ward: actually, do you think at some point in the future, the debian kernels will include libata (pdc20619?) |
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| 22:52.38 | songpenguin | pusling: but there are two branches, "stable" and _unstable_ |
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| 22:52.55 | pusling | songpenguin: I don't - on a production machine - upgrade headless from version 4 to version 5 of <somesoftware> |
| 22:53.25 | songpenguin | pusling: yeah |
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| 22:53.37 | ma3x | --duration time total capture duration specified as a SMIL time value: XXX[.Y]h, XXX[.Y]min, XXX[.Y][s], XXXms, [[HH:]MM:]SS[.ms], or smpte=[[[HH:]MM:]SS:]FF (default unlimited). How do I specify 0hours, 12 minutes, 3 second, 10 mseconds? |
| 22:53.51 | ofer0 | who has more pakacges in APT? debian or ubuntu? |
| 22:54.03 | songpenguin | ofer0: debian by a long shot |
| 22:54.05 | ma3x | ofer0, ubuntu sux |
| 22:54.16 | peterS | ofer0: possibly ubuntu but only if you include their 'universe' which is unsupported |
| 22:54.17 | pusling | ofer0: quite the same, i think |
| 22:54.19 | ma3x | i've tried both ubuntu and kubuntu |
| 22:54.21 | s_ward | d, no idea, possibly, maybe even probably, eventually |
| 22:54.21 | pusling | ma3x: ubuntu is cool! |
| 22:54.23 | songpenguin | ofer0: last time I checked, ubuntu doesn't even have fluxbox |
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| 22:54.34 | ma3x | piece a shit - it's windows |
| 22:54.39 | d | s_ward: cool, because this is a nightmare |
| 22:54.43 | songpenguin | ma3x: it's not that bad |
| 22:54.43 | pusling | peterS: ubuntu universe is just as supported as debian - by community |
| 22:54.56 | ma3x | songpenguin, it's lagging like hell |
| 22:55.00 | peterS | pusling: in theory |
| 22:55.02 | slobfish | ubuntu is cool for newbies |
| 22:55.05 | ma3x | debian uses much better the hardware |
| 22:55.06 | zcat[1] | ubuntu is very nice for new users.. it's not windows, it's debuan stable withoug the 2 year lag :) |
| 22:55.17 | zcat[1] | excuse the typing.. chills |
| 22:55.21 | peterS | pusling: you could say all free software everywhere is "supported by the community". in practice, there are big differences in quality |
| 22:55.24 | songpenguin | ma3x: at least it doesn't crash like windows |
| 22:55.37 | pusling | slobfish: ubuntu is cool for everyone |
| 22:55.53 | dli | songpenguin, winXP doesn't crash so often |
| 22:55.53 | ma3x | songpenguin, if you just close the LID of your laptop it will go in stupid standby acpi mode |
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| 22:55.56 | ma3x | that's fukin stupid |
| 22:56.00 | songpenguin | pusling: as long as they are not on an old computer :-/ |
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| 22:56.14 | pusling | songpenguin: define old ? |
| 22:56.17 | songpenguin | dli: really? |
| 22:56.29 | songpenguin | pusling: like my 550mhz pen3 |
| 22:56.31 | slobfish | right i mean if i were a newbie with i would start with ubuntu |
| 22:56.39 | dli | songpenguin, winMe was the worst, but it was a story years ago |
| 22:56.41 | slobfish | so i dont say newbies to the ubuntu users :) |
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| 22:56.48 | pusling | songpenguin: then just don't go for a standard ubuntu installation ;) |
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| 22:56.55 | zcat[1] | if I were recommending a desktop distro for a nongeek it'd have to be ubuntu. Sorry guys! |
| 22:56.57 | songpenguin | dli: worse than widows 3.2 |
| 22:57.00 | dowahlooh | i have a problem with my usb-stick (maxfield g-flash), wich is recognized by my computer (usbview shows em), but i cant mount him. i am not shure from wich device i should mount. has sombody any idea how i could get this working? i have hotplug and everything else installed, so i thought i could just access it, but it doesnt look like... |
| 22:57.07 | ma3x | start with what you want, just u gotta know that ubuntu is clone |
| 22:57.10 | ma3x | nothing more than that |
| 22:57.16 | dli | songpenguin, worse than everything 3.1 3.2 95 98 |
| 22:57.24 | songpenguin | pusling: nah, that computers got gentoo on it now, (with distcc lol) |
| 22:57.50 | songpenguin | pusling: works like a charm |
| 22:57.55 | pusling | yeah! gentoo! Anyone wants to do a gentoo install week ? |
| 22:58.11 | zcat[1] | on my hardware it'd be a gentoo install month.. |
| 22:58.12 | ma3x | not me lad |
| 22:58.18 | ma3x | haha |
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| 22:58.29 | chance2105 | Is Konqueror, is there a way to see browsing history? |
| 22:58.29 | ma3x | zcat[1], what hardware? |
| 22:58.35 | zcat[1] | celeron 766 |
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| 22:58.39 | s_ward | ma3x, I disagree, there's a different "air" about it, and there has been a lot of work to make Ubuntu "just work" out of the box, something Debian doesn't always do without a bit of faffing around, that's the appeal to new users |
| 22:58.39 | songpenguin | pusling: It only took me 12 hours, but that was because of distcc, I'm afraid if that computer had to do it all by itself it woudl have taken a week |
| 22:58.52 | pusling | ;) |
| 22:59.01 | zcat[1] | under the hood ubuntu is debian anyhow.. |
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| 22:59.19 | songpenguin | I would reccomend ubuntu to a new user |
| 22:59.28 | songpenguin | as long as I don't know them personally |
| 22:59.31 | ma3x | s_ward, that's the problem "out of the box". In other words "it comes, it goes" |
| 22:59.33 | s_ward | Ubuntu can't live without Debian, not as it is |
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| 22:59.35 | DoppelGanger | h aha |
| 22:59.46 | songpenguin | because if I knew them personally, I would install REAL deb for them |
| 22:59.52 | pusling | s_ward: debian can't live without ubuntu |
| 22:59.56 | zcat[1] | stable or unstable? |
| 23:00.10 | s_ward | pusling, it can, it _did_ |
| 23:00.11 | pusling | and to the servers at work |
| 23:00.19 | Rockret | back |
| 23:00.25 | Rockret | pusling, .. here works .. http://www.cipherfunk.org/garnome/ |
| 23:00.31 | dli | pusling, ubuntu is debian with newer packages? |
| 23:00.34 | s_ward | pusling, however, Debian benefits from it, despite what angry bloggers might say |
| 23:00.41 | Rockret | dli, yes |
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| 23:01.06 | Vegar | how do I convert a bmp of this type: "PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 512x512x24" to this: "PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 512x512x8"? |
| 23:01.09 | dli | Rockret, what's the reason why debian doesnt want to include those updated versions? |
| 23:01.12 | songpenguin | debian does benifit from it |
| 23:01.34 | Rockret | dli, no idea .. may be republicans !! LOL |
| 23:01.36 | pusling | s_ward: I know - the xorg packages are originated from ubuntu, for example |
| 23:01.42 | pusling | Rockret: still no luck |
| 23:01.53 | zcat[1] | Vegar: bmptoppm | pnmquant | ppmtobmp |
| 23:01.55 | ma3x | pusling, whats so good about xorg ? |
| 23:01.56 | Rockret | pusling, let me check |
| 23:02.00 | aktinos | chance2105: f9 |
| 23:02.01 | ma3x | xfree is always at least that good |
| 23:02.12 | pusling | ma3x: transluciency ;) |
| 23:02.16 | Rockret | ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/tarballs/garnome/v2.10/garnome-2.10.2.tar.bz2 |
| 23:02.22 | Rockret | ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/tarballs/garnome/v2.11/garnome-2.11.90.tar.bz2 |
| 23:02.26 | Vegar | zcat[1]: I'll check it out. Thanks. |
| 23:02.27 | ma3x | stop repeating |
| 23:02.29 | Rockret | may be works |
| 23:02.42 | zcat[1] | or just open it in gimp and save it again in 8 colour.. |
| 23:02.44 | pusling | Rockret: unknown host - I can't reach cipherfunk.org |
| 23:02.45 | Rockret | ma3x, read before speak |
| 23:02.53 | Rockret | strange |
| 23:03.00 | stephon | I'm having trouble mounting an audio cd. I get an error when not using -t option that i must specify filesystem. I tried mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom. I get wrong fs type. Any suggestions? |
| 23:03.14 | ma3x | Rocket ok! |
| 23:03.16 | ma3x | :p |
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| 23:03.24 | Rockret | where are you from, pusling ? |
| 23:03.26 | Rockret | USA ? |
| 23:03.27 | pusling | stephon: audiocd should not be mounted |
| 23:03.29 | dli | stephon, why do you mount an audio cd ? |
| 23:03.36 | aktinos | stephon: audio cds are not mounted |
| 23:03.39 | Rockret | i heard that some sites are closed to americans |
| 23:03.39 | stephon | Im trying to play it iwith xmms |
| 23:03.40 | pusling | Rockret: copenhagen, denmark, scandinavia, europe |
| 23:03.48 | ma3x | pusling, translucency? I don't think so |
| 23:03.52 | Rockret | ok |
| 23:04.07 | dli | stephon, no, you only need a cd plugin for xmms |
| 23:04.07 | zcat[1] | does xmms need a 'cd player' plugin? |
| 23:04.12 | pusling | ma3x: yes - transluciency - inactive windows can get semi transparent and stuff |
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| 23:04.17 | Rockret | copenhagen .. land of good life !! |
| 23:04.17 | ma3x | zcat[1], it has one by default I think |
| 23:04.35 | stephon | hehe thanx |
| 23:04.36 | aktinos | stephon: xmms-cdread - Input plugin for XMMS that reads audio data from CDs |
| 23:04.44 | ma3x | pusling, is that so special to you? |
| 23:04.54 | zcat[1] | i never play them directly; I rip them to flac and play them.. |
| 23:04.59 | Rockret | pusling, can i send to you .. garnome-2.10.2.tar.bz2 ? |
| 23:05.02 | dli | aktinos, can xmms copy tracks from a CD? |
| 23:05.03 | zcat[1] | (I have kids.. kids are hard on CD's) |
| 23:05.07 | pusling | ma3x: not at all - my computer is too slow to use it ;) But it is still cool eyecandy |
| 23:05.08 | Rockret | 170 Kb |
| 23:05.10 | ma3x | zcat[1], try ogg, its better |
| 23:05.37 | ma3x | pusling, how slow? |
| 23:05.46 | pusling | ma3x: 900 mhz duron |
| 23:05.49 | zcat[1] | I don't have that many CD's and I have lots of space. Using flac I'm never going to have to rip them again if I want better quality or a different format |
| 23:05.59 | aktinos | dli: maybe with disk-writer output plugin.. |
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| 23:05.59 | pusling | ma3x: flac is better than ogg. flac is lossless |
| 23:06.07 | Rockret | we are winter here southeast of Brazil .. and 32 C ! crazy weather ! |
| 23:06.36 | pusling | Rockret: we have summer. right now 15 C and heavy rain |
| 23:07.01 | Rockret | summer ? 15 C ? God !!! terrible cold !!! |
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| 23:07.15 | pusling | it is 5-10 C colder than normally |
| 23:07.19 | Rockret | summer here 40 C |
| 23:07.29 | Rockret | ouch |
| 23:07.52 | Rockret | well .. penguins a lot there, right ? lol |
| 23:07.57 | PeterB | Rockret: 'we are winter' ? |
| 23:08.09 | Rockret | we (brazil) |
| 23:08.18 | pusling | Rockret: only linux-penguins ;) |
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| 23:08.42 | zcat[1] | dli: grip or sound juicer rips cd's |
| 23:08.45 | Rockret | pusling, what do you think about Brazil ? |
| 23:08.52 | pusling | argf! apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove frozen-bubbles |
| 23:08.56 | pusling | Rockret: not much ;) |
| 23:08.59 | peterS | I could use a bit of "5-10C colder than normal" right about now |
| 23:09.00 | aktinos | i'm in north Spain, about 20 C here |
| 23:09.37 | Rockret | I think that best place to live is Australia, Sydney |
| 23:09.48 | zcat[1] | pusling: NO!! you can't remove FB!! |
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| 23:10.02 | Rockret | here Brazil .. lot problems with violence, crimes and corruption |
| 23:10.06 | grigora | anyone knows the process for burning a whole directory on to a CD? |
| 23:10.18 | pusling | zcat[1]: nope. frozen bubble stays. apt sucks ;) |
| 23:11.05 | aktinos | grigora: you can use k3b, it's easy |
| 23:11.16 | Rockret | exist much difference between denmak, sweden and norway ? |
| 23:11.19 | pusling | zcat[1]: it is libsdl-mixer1.2 and/or libsdl-sound1.2 that is the bad guy |
| 23:11.23 | aktinos | or a combination of mkisofs and cdrecord |
| 23:11.23 | pusling | Rockret: nope |
| 23:11.23 | Rockret | culture |
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| 23:11.38 | zcat[1] | I never found a nice gui tool for cd's - i use mkisofs and cdrecord.. |
| 23:11.58 | Rockret | i read one time that norway you can use copy software .. and no problem |
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| 23:12.05 | zcat[1] | I have a fairly nice script that burns a whole directory for me though.. |
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| 23:12.21 | pusling | Rockret: that is a fairytale ... |
| 23:12.32 | Gathond | Rockret: I personally doubt their law in the area is much different from the rest of scandinavia, In which you cant |
| 23:12.35 | markl_ | is there a grub expert in the house? i am trying to put grub on /dev/sda, but root is /dev/sdc1 |
| 23:12.36 | pusling | Rockret: but norway are implementing a governmental open source strategy |
| 23:12.37 | Matsuo | Hey, anyone here have experence with getting libapache2-mod-suphp to work with apache2 and php4 on debian sarge? |
| 23:12.40 | markl_ | it seems to be choking on stage 1.5 |
| 23:12.49 | pusling | wee!!!1 Gathond !! |
| 23:12.57 | Rockret | pusling, interesting |
| 23:13.07 | Gathond | pusling: arrgh, you are following me ... stop stalking me :) |
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| 23:13.15 | pusling | Gathond: you started |
| 23:13.29 | pusling | ;) |
| 23:13.29 | Gathond | pusling: never :) |
| 23:13.35 | Rockret | pusling, do you want file ? |
| 23:13.37 | Rockret | garnome-2.10.2.tar.bz2 |
| 23:13.40 | aktinos | markl_: what error? |
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| 23:13.47 | pusling | Rockret: what does it do? |
| 23:14.12 | Rockret | install new version (last one) gnome .. I think big script .. make everything |
| 23:14.24 | Rockret | download .. etc .. compile .. etc |
| 23:14.45 | pusling | hmm.. my konqueror seems to be dead. |
| 23:14.54 | pusling | can't look any domain up |
| 23:14.57 | zcat[1] | NZ has "restraint of trade" laws that make a lot of DRM stuff illegal here. Stuff like DVD players are all region free, and you can get xboxes factory modded.. |
| 23:15.03 | Rockret | that explain .. |
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| 23:15.33 | zcat[1] | otoh we have dorky americal copyright that makes ripping your CDs onto an ipod technically illegal |
| 23:15.36 | IRCMonkey | I have some stupid questions: |
| 23:15.52 | Rockret | go ahead |
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| 23:16.17 | IRCMonkey | i am installing debian right now, and want to know what is a web server, a print server, a DNS server, and a file server? do I need these? |
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| 23:16.38 | Rockret | how is life there in NZ, zcat[1] |
| 23:16.39 | joel_ | IRCMonkey: you don't need them, and you can always install those afterwards |
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| 23:16.46 | Rockret | good place to live ? |
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| 23:16.51 | zcat[1] | you probably want a print server if yo have a printer |
| 23:17.07 | cavediver | Hi all. Is there i linux BBS software availible that is still maintained ? |
| 23:17.11 | IRCMonkey | i have a printer that I connect to through a home network |
| 23:17.13 | zcat[1] | and a fileserver if you want to share directories over the network |
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| 23:17.19 | bucky | heya grumpydog_ |
| 23:17.21 | IRCMonkey | ahh, I don't need to do that |
| 23:17.33 | IRCMonkey | wats a web server then? |
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| 23:17.42 | zcat[1] | you don't need it :) |
| 23:17.45 | cat | hey i have a question i just buyd a flat screen is a dell, but it doesn't worked, is there anything i should do it doesn't worked, |
| 23:17.48 | zcat[1] | or a DNS server |
| 23:17.51 | IRCMonkey | do I need spl database? |
| 23:17.58 | cat | my X doesn |
| 23:17.59 | zcat[1] | sql? probably not |
| 23:18.04 | cat | my x doesn't worked |
| 23:18.10 | IRCMonkey | I want to do some c++ programming on it |
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| 23:18.38 | IRCMonkey | ok, so just check the desktop enviroment? |
| 23:18.45 | pusling | wee!!1 worked |
| 23:18.46 | Gathond | cat: you might need to configure X to use a lower resulotion depending upon the resolution it supports compared to your CRT |
| 23:19.03 | cat | Gathond: can i just auto configured it? |
| 23:19.07 | zcat[1] | desktop and developer stuff I guess, been a while since I did an isntall so not sure what the options are |
| 23:19.25 | IRCMonkey | but I can put stuff on there afterwards, right? |
| 23:19.34 | Gathond | cat: you can probably use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to go through the configuration process again |
| 23:19.36 | zcat[1] | you can always add stuff later |
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| 23:19.49 | IRCMonkey | ok, cool. TY for ur help |
| 23:19.54 | black_Nightmare | any of you know a bit about hp scanjet scanners? |
| 23:20.03 | cat | Gathond: how about for auto, configuring ? |
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| 23:20.48 | Gathond | cat: I think that dialog asks if it should attempt to configure itself |
| 23:21.14 | Gathond | cat: but Im not sure as I dont use that, I just edit the configuration file directly |
| 23:21.32 | black_Nightmare | I wanted to ask if anyone know about using scanjet scanners with linux considering how the hp program for windows seem to relay on VB and that the old beos driver site shows it as 0% supportable |
| 23:21.56 | Gathond | cat: Im not sure the autoconfiguration extends itself to supported resolutions for the monitor, just for the gfx card |
| 23:22.02 | black_Nightmare | its a 4470C I believe (or was that 4400C? ugh I forgot..its in storage right now btw) |
| 23:22.08 | cat | well it doesn't worked |
| 23:22.19 | zcat[1] | last time I had to configure an x-server I just booted knoppix and copied over the config it'd probed. |
| 23:22.35 | zcat[1] | worked a treat too!! |
| 23:22.36 | Rockret | what is the best ftp server ? |
| 23:22.49 | peterS | Rockret: probably vsftpd |
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| 23:23.02 | cat | Fatal server error: |
| 23:23.02 | cat | no screens found |
| 23:23.06 | cat | darned it |
| 23:23.07 | s_ward | Supported resolutions are worked out on X startup, based on your config and possibly DDC probes |
| 23:23.31 | Rockret | petemc, is easy to setup ? |
| 23:23.45 | Rockret | no ftp server or front end to X? |
| 23:23.59 | Gathond | s_ward: yes, supported, but does that extend to the monitors capability, if you ask for a resolution your card supports but not the monitor? |
| 23:24.02 | Rockret | PeterS, is easy to setup ? |
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| 23:24.20 | peterS | Rockret: very easy. if you can't set up vsftpd you have no business running an ftp server |
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| 23:24.41 | Gathond | cat: that would probably not be only the monitor and resolution, something more must be wrong, look in the log file for a line starting with (EE) or (WW) |
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| 23:25.00 | frederr | hi, any one knows how can i install mplayer? |
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| 23:25.29 | MikeW | How can I see messages on virtual console 3 in the installer. I got errors but they are displayed elsewhere. |
| 23:25.35 | rbochan | !tell frederr about mplayer |
| 23:25.36 | MikeW | some key combo? |
| 23:25.44 | zcat[1] | frederr: follow the howto on mplayer.hq ? |
| 23:25.45 | Blissex | MikeW: ALT-F3 |
| 23:25.49 | Blissex | MikeW: CTRL-ALT-F3 |
| 23:26.03 | zcat[1] | !tell zcat[1] about mplayer |
| 23:26.19 | s_ward | Gathond, first X gets a list of modes for your video card, then takes the horizontal and vertical frequencies in your configuration, or from DDC probes (if supported), and eliminates modes that cannot be displayed |
| 23:26.23 | rbochan | zoinks |
| 23:26.28 | zcat[1] | ?? |
| 23:26.34 | PeterB | Ouch. |
| 23:26.43 | frederr | when i play a dvd it say it cant play, reason unknow :/ |
| 23:27.01 | rbochan | I didn't do it!!! |
| 23:27.10 | pusling | hmm.. where did dpkg and debhelper go ? |
| 23:27.10 | zcat[1] | there's packages for mplayer but if you use those, the #mplayer people won't help you :( |
| 23:27.15 | s_ward | Gathond, if you ask for a resolution your monitor can't display, either X won't display it, or will try to display it and your monitor will give up or fry |
| 23:27.18 | rbochan | ~tell frederr about mplayer |
| 23:27.34 | Nameless_Wonder | I heard that there is no linux software that can play dvds because of license agreements |
| 23:27.57 | Gathond | s_ward: most modern monitors cant get fried from that, they simply enter suspend mode. Not that that will help alot |
| 23:28.01 | peterS | Nameless_Wonder: more accurately, no software Debian can distribute which can play encrypted DVDs, which is to say most DVDs |
| 23:28.05 | peterS | Nameless_Wonder: Debian can't take on the legal risk |
| 23:28.24 | pusling | Nameless_Wonder: ...but Marillat do ;) |
| 23:28.53 | michaeln | what about vlc? |
| 23:28.57 | Nameless_Wonder | {scratches head} I don't see y people get all worked up over DRMs and copying stuff |
| 23:29.08 | zcat[1] | somewhere along the line my built-from-source mplayer managed to handle zone4 dvd's... |
| 23:29.08 | pusling | digital restriction management ? |
| 23:29.14 | Nameless_Wonder | u should have a legal right to make a backup of stuff u purchased anyway |
| 23:29.23 | zcat[1] | I'm not even sure what I did to get the feature |
| 23:29.24 | rbochan | Nameless_Wonder: say that when you're not allowed to modify stuff _you bought_ |
| 23:29.25 | Nameless_Wonder | digital rights management |
| 23:29.26 | bucky | !tell Nameless_Wonder about u |
| 23:29.29 | s_ward | Nameless_Wonder, Debian is mass distribution |
| 23:30.12 | Nameless_Wonder | although there are some ways around it (I am copying some DVDs right now) |
| 23:30.13 | ottoaim | what package includes srm? |
| 23:30.17 | Nameless_Wonder | but not on linux |
| 23:30.42 | zcat[1] | there's a big push over here that we should have the right to 'format shift' - we already have the right to zone-free DVD players |
| 23:30.51 | peterS | Nameless_Wonder: certainly on linux. just not distributed by the Debian Project - too much legal risk |
| 23:30.53 | Nameless_Wonder | but eventually, the world will come to see the true light of open sourcing |
| 23:31.10 | rbochan | no it won't |
| 23:31.13 | Nameless_Wonder | wat software can do it on debian? |
| 23:31.19 | peterS | Nameless_Wonder: on debian, install 'totem-xine'. from external sources, find libdvdcss2. |
| 23:31.24 | rbochan | there's too much $$ at stake |
| 23:31.25 | s_ward | zcat[1], where's here? I might move :) |
| 23:31.27 | peterS | Nameless_Wonder: it'll work |
| 23:31.30 | zcat[1] | NZ |
| 23:31.45 | Nameless_Wonder | oh, so I was wrong then. |
| 23:31.51 | Nameless_Wonder | :) |
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| 23:32.11 | Nameless_Wonder | is there dvd ripping software too on linux, just out of curiosity? |
| 23:32.12 | peterS | Nameless_Wonder: Debian supports DVDs as best it can without actually distributing the decryption code. you have to get that somewhere else. but it's not hard to do that, and it'll work. |
| 23:32.21 | bucky | heya grumpydog_ |
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| 23:32.39 | s_ward | I'll see what happens here (UK) |
| 23:32.50 | sparkx_ | Nameless_Wonder, of course there is. |
| 23:32.55 | songpenguin | peterS: so xine and such have libdvdcss support but deb doesn't actually have libdvdcss? |
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| 23:33.20 | peterS | songpenguin: correct. xine apps will look for libdvdcss on your system at runtime. if it's there, they'll use it. if not, they won't. |
| 23:33.30 | Nameless_Wonder | is that obtainable from aptitude? |
| 23:33.40 | peterS | Nameless_Wonder: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 23:33.47 | zcat[1] | anyhow; easiest way to get mplayer is add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install w32codecs mplayer-586 |
| 23:33.48 | songpenguin | peterS: that beats what a lot of other non-css enables distros do |
| 23:33.51 | pusling | Nameless_Wonder: from marillats repository, yes |
| 23:33.51 | peterS | Nameless_Wonder: that'll tell you about a repository on ftp.nerim.net that includes libdvdcss2 |
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| 23:34.16 | pusling | peterS: dpkg is sleeping or something |
| 23:34.39 | rbochan | dpkg passed out |
| 23:34.48 | bucky | !test |
| 23:34.49 | zcat[1] | I think libdvdcss2 is in maraillat too, right? |
| 23:35.00 | peterS | zcat[1]: yes it's there |
| 23:35.16 | Nameless_Wonder | I will have to play with that once debian is installed. Im gunna go run a tamp down to my uncle, I may check in in a while |
| 23:35.18 | zcat[1] | cool; that must be what I installed then :) Install that too!! |
| 23:35.21 | peterS | Nameless_Wonder: since dpkg is taking a vacation, the line in /etc/apt/sources.list is: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main |
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| 23:35.39 | peterS | Nameless_Wonder: I got that from google://"debian libdvdcss2 marillat" |
| 23:36.11 | zcat[1] | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main <-- why am I using unstable? |
| 23:36.25 | peterS | zcat[1]: because your machine is running unstable? I don't know |
| 23:36.29 | s_ward | apt will answer to your calls |
| 23:36.51 | sparkx_ | i am using untable too :) on that repository |
| 23:37.02 | zcat[1] | well, either works I guess.. |
| 23:37.04 | frederr | please help http://pastebin.com/330341 |
| 23:38.07 | zcat[1] | I'm not actually using mplayer or the codecs from there, but I think I'm using libdvdcss and probably some other media stuff.. |
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| 23:38.52 | peterS | zcat[1]: yeah, exactly |
| 23:39.21 | peterS | zcat[1]: totem-xine or other players will work fine with DVDs, no need for mplayer or exotic codecs if that's what you need |
| 23:39.21 | uwe | the users in Debian can access each other home directories! is this a normal behavior? |
| 23:39.34 | peterS | uwe: it's normal default behavior. I think you can change it in /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 23:40.02 | rata | uwe, it is configurable, you choose it (it is ask) |
| 23:40.03 | peterS | uwe: yeah, DIR_MODE in /etc/adduser.conf. that controls home directory creation |
| 23:40.31 | green_earz | uwe: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
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| 23:40.43 | sparkx_ | I think debconf asked me something about permission on other user's homes installing the first time. |
| 23:40.58 | zcat[1] | I have a lot of scripts that work with mplayer (recording realmedia streams down to mp3 and stuff).. not sure if totem or xine would let me do the same tricks and I'd have to rewrite everything |
| 23:41.06 | uwe | that freaked me out for a second! |
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| 23:41.28 | uwe | thank you all |
| 23:41.54 | FieldySnuts | :) |
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| 23:42.56 | Amazone2 | USE GENTOO ! BAN DEBIAN ! IMMEDIATELY ! |
| 23:43.09 | A64 | Hi there. An easy beginner question: how can I set the default wm back to the console ? now it's /usr/bin/X11/xdm . |
| 23:43.27 | peterS | ~nodm |
| 23:43.28 | apt | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" ... |
| 23:43.32 | Amazone2 | reinstall the linux-system, that works ! |
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| 23:44.08 | chris_the_lion | please ban amazone2 |
| 23:44.20 | PeterB | It left. Good. |
| 23:44.36 | bucky | windows loser |
| 23:44.40 | zcat[1] | no, just force him to sit through an entire gentoo build. On an old 500MHz machine with dialup.. |
| 23:44.46 | rbochan | the anon proxy should have been a dead giveaway |
| 23:45.01 | A64 | Hmm. What choices do I have, if my VGA is unsupported by X ? Even "vga" or "vesa" won't func. |
| 23:45.12 | rbochan | buy a rela vid card |
| 23:45.15 | rbochan | real |
| 23:45.17 | peterS | A64: even vga or vesa? wtf kind of card is this? |
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| 23:45.30 | A64 | ATI Radeon X800XT PE VIVO |
| 23:45.33 | A64 | AGP. |
| 23:45.44 | sparkx_ | On a notebook? |
| 23:45.46 | A64 | it's quite real, I think ;) |
| 23:45.48 | A64 | nope. |
| 23:45.52 | zcat[1] | I thought ATI's were reasonably open and uspported |
| 23:45.54 | FieldySnuts | too new to be supported by anything likely, especially ati's own drivers |
| 23:45.55 | A64 | on a desktop MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum. |
| 23:46.02 | FieldySnuts | zcat[1]: not open, very poorly supported by ati |
| 23:46.11 | A64 | nope, "ati" won't show up anything either. |
| 23:46.21 | rbochan | zcat[1]: once upon a time they were |
| 23:46.26 | peterS | A64: very strange that vesa wouldn't work, or vga16 |
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| 23:46.36 | zcat[1] | sad.. get an nvidid card. Also not open but at least you get drivers.. |
| 23:46.40 | peterS | A64: anyway, that one *might* be supported in the latest x.org build in unstable |
| 23:46.49 | peterS | ~sarge xorg |
| 23:46.51 | FieldySnuts | they probably don't know about PE (pci express or something) |
| 23:47.02 | A64 | Platinum Edition ;) |
| 23:47.07 | peterS | FieldySnuts: heh, he said it's AGP |
| 23:47.14 | FieldySnuts | and xfree86 would definately be too old that's for sure, going xorg is probably a good idea, but you should google to find out if even that supports it |
| 23:47.16 | A64 | PE stands for Platinum Ed. :) |
| 23:47.35 | A64 | it support is, but I need to download the drivers, compile them.. ah.. |
| 23:47.52 | A64 | it's supported.. oh my.. it's too late sorry for my English :) |
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| 23:48.16 | peterS | A64: x.org is in debian unstable, so you can try installing the xserver-xorg package from unstable. |
| 23:48.19 | A64 | I thought I can see sg on the fly but okay, I'll move my little finger in order to have a nice desktop :) |
| 23:48.38 | A64 | peterS: I'll do right now. brb.. |
| 23:48.56 | plb | If I want kernel 2.6.11 do I have to build it or does debian have an already configured one? |
| 23:48.57 | A64 | how do I start it manually if finished ? |
| 23:49.02 | mops | when I have "3.1" in /etc/debian_version is it completly clear stable dist? |
| 23:49.14 | sparkx_ | unstable has 2.6.11 |
| 23:49.36 | A64 | I use LSorensen's stable 2.6.12 :D |
| 23:49.53 | plb | sparkx_: whats it called? |
| 23:50.18 | chris_the_lion | testing has 2.6.11 |
| 23:50.19 | peterS | A64: it'll ask you whether xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg should be the default |
| 23:50.25 | zcat[1] | I'm still running 2.6.8, couldn't get the nv drivers to build with a later kernel.. |
| 23:50.46 | peterS | A64: that done, you can start it the same way you start XFree86 - 'startx' or install xdm |
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| 23:51.40 | sparkx_ | plb, kernel-image-2.6.11-* i think you have to choose one. |
| 23:51.47 | plb | sparkx_: thanks |
| 23:52.00 | zcat[1] | linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 - Linux kernel 2.6.12 image on 686-class machines |
| 23:52.07 | zcat[1] | hmm.. unstable has 2.6.12 too |
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| 23:52.25 | green_earz | mops: yes and your /etc/apt/sources.list is set to "sarge" or "stable" |
| 23:52.36 | motod | hello. apache2 seg faults or hangs when started via /etc/init.d/apache2 start -- any ideas? |
| 23:52.37 | mops | green_earz: stable |
| 23:52.47 | Alexbnk | hello |
| 23:52.50 | mops | is it correct? |
| 23:52.51 | sparkx_ | zcat[1], i get nv drivers compiled on 2.6.11 |
| 23:52.54 | mops | alexbnk: hi |
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| 23:52.58 | Alexbnk | i guess another simple Q |
| 23:53.01 | uwe | sudo main page here http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/ states that "versions of Sudo prior to 1.6.8p9 ontain a race condition that could allow a user with sudo privileges to run unauthorized commands" , and debian stable is using Sudo version 1.6.8p7, isnt that something that the security update should fix? |
| 23:53.09 | Alexbnk | got AMD Athlon |
| 23:53.13 | green_earz | mops: yes its setup as debian sarge stable |
| 23:53.22 | Alexbnk | which kernel version fits it ? |
| 23:53.30 | zcat[1] | might be time to try again, I haven't worried about it for the last few months |
| 23:53.38 | mops | ok, so now I can go sleep with good feeling :) |
| 23:53.47 | motod | any ideas? |
| 23:53.48 | mops | goodnight to all!! |
| 23:54.05 | chris_the_lion | athlon xp or athlon 64? |
| 23:54.10 | mops | and thank you for your help through this day! |
| 23:54.22 | Alexbnk | no idea .... |
| 23:54.31 | Alexbnk | says Athlon |
| 23:54.43 | Alexbnk | by cat proc/cpuifno |
| 23:54.43 | peterS | uwe: it is indeed. read the changelog to see if this has been done |
| 23:54.53 | chris_the_lion | ask /proc/cpu |
| 23:54.54 | green_earz | mops: here a good debian doc link > "Debian Reference" http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 23:54.56 | exobyte | I scanned a system with nmap, but it just said all ports are filtered. I can ssh in, so, uh... |
| 23:55.02 | sparkx_ | the installer only warns you to use the same gcc version of your kernel's build (if you're using unstable and got gcc-4.0 installed) |
| 23:55.33 | Alexbnk | cpuinfo : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor ... |
| 23:55.35 | peterS | uwe: search /usr/share/doc/sudo/changelog.Debian.gz for "CAN-2005-1993" |
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| 23:55.52 | uwe | ok, will do |
| 23:55.53 | Alexbnk | an old machine (650 mhz) |
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| 23:56.05 | chris_the_lion | k7 |
| 23:56.18 | Alexbnk | k7 will do ? |
| 23:56.22 | chris_the_lion | yes |
| 23:56.30 | Alexbnk | thx a lot |
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| 23:58.24 | A64 | and how do I set up the system's language to English ? I did set up my own language but it suxx.. |
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| 23:59.39 | peterS | A64: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:59.51 | A64 | I learn, I learn.. :) |