| 00:00.21 | uwe | peterS, i didnt find this CAN-2005-1993, but i found "sudo (1.6.8p7-1.1sarge1) stable-security; urgency=high" and some other notes, does this mean its patched , if yes , why dont they just use the newer version!? |
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| 00:00.53 | peterS | uwe: debian does not just throw new versions of things into stable releases. that's a great way to break working systems. instead they patch old versions. |
| 00:01.08 | SvperPhly | On a default debian install... how many apache2 processes should i see running? cause right now i'm seeing like 50 |
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| 00:01.57 | Gathond | SvperPhly: depends upon threading concept used and if the server serves any requests at the moment you look at it |
| 00:01.58 | uwe | peterS, i cant see the advantage ! |
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| 00:02.06 | SvperPhly | it's not serving anything |
| 00:02.15 | Gathond | uwe: not introducing new bugs/features into something stable |
| 00:02.52 | Gathond | uwe: so debian/stable can be expected to be the same in all its life, no interface changes features introduced in some updates and so on |
| 00:03.05 | peterS | uwe: the main place this fails is mozilla. the mozilla project refuses to support old versions of mozilla, in general, so patching an old version to fix a security problem is really difficult. the mozilla project just says "hey use the latest version" |
| 00:03.09 | uwe | ah, you mean its because new versions can have new features with potential bugs |
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| 00:03.14 | peterS | yes |
| 00:03.29 | sparkx_ | SvperPhly, can also depend on which version of apache you got installed? |
| 00:03.34 | SvperPhly | apache2 |
| 00:03.40 | Gathond | uwe: kinda like MS keeps windows in a steady state during a products life (Servicepacks being the exception that introduces new features, take that as a point release) |
| 00:03.54 | peterS | uwe: yes, and not just in theory. this happens in practice. debian has a reputation that once you install a stable release, it'll work and never break, even when you apply security patches. this reputation would be ruined if debian put new versions of things in just for the fun of it |
| 00:04.07 | sparkx_ | SvperPhly, i mean prefork / etc... |
| 00:04.11 | SvperPhly | ahh |
| 00:04.19 | SvperPhly | worker, prefork and perchild are running.. |
| 00:04.29 | uwe | i c , i c |
| 00:04.32 | Gathond | SvperPhly: all 3? |
| 00:04.41 | SvperPhly | yeah... odd huh? |
| 00:04.48 | peterS | uwe: you know how when you roll out a new Windows Service Pack, you have to test it extensively to see what it breaks, before letting it loose on your corporate network? admins have gotten used to the idea that you don't need to do this with Debian. (: |
| 00:05.04 | Gathond | SvperPhly: If you install it through the debian packages you cant do that (all options will however be in the config file) |
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| 00:05.28 | SvperPhly | Gathond: ok, so i just checked the config file... |
| 00:05.34 | SvperPhly | lemme check the modules-available |
| 00:05.54 | SvperPhly | nope, none of those are in mod-enabled |
| 00:05.55 | uwe | its crystal clear to me now, thanks all |
| 00:06.04 | SvperPhly | cgid and userdir only |
| 00:06.26 | SvperPhly | Gathond: though i did install ca-certificates |
| 00:06.27 | Gathond | SvperPhly: its not a module, its different packages |
| 00:06.39 | Gathond | SvperPhly: dpkg -l apache2* |
| 00:06.39 | uwe | i now wonder why mozilla is being so stuped! |
| 00:07.06 | uwe | :) |
| 00:07.20 | peterS | uwe: well, it's just as hard for *them* to support old mozilla versions as it is for Debian to do so. so they don't bother. don't be too hard on them - for most people "just upgrade to the latest" is a reasonable answer, after all |
| 00:07.45 | FieldySnuts | probably a "stuped" user error |
| 00:07.50 | SvperPhly | Gathond: some don't have versios |
| 00:08.17 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 00:08.29 | Gathond | SvperPhly: which of the apache2-mpm- are installed? |
| 00:08.38 | uwe | but does that mean that if a security issue appears in firefox or mozilla on debian stable, that debian is going to fix it not mozilla?! |
| 00:08.44 | Gathond | SvperPhly: line starts with ii |
| 00:09.07 | peterS | uwe: people are discussing that. it's really difficult for debian to fix it alone, so in the past it wasn't always done. |
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| 00:09.17 | Gathond | uwe: debian is going to take the mozilla fix and port that into their version (if their version has that bug) |
| 00:09.24 | Gathond | uwe: in theory anyway |
| 00:10.06 | sparkx_ | SvperPhly, with apache2-mpm-prefork on unstable, without configuration tweaks, i see only 5 child processes. not 50 :) |
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| 00:10.54 | zcat[1] | just for clarification.. testing is more bleeding-edge than unstable? |
| 00:11.01 | Gathond | zcat[1]: no |
| 00:11.01 | chris_the_lion | 2 cats in here! |
| 00:11.02 | sparkx_ | no. |
| 00:11.04 | zcat[1] | or less? |
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| 00:11.29 | cat | hey people i'm having some issues, with my monitor when i press alt7 but i get this error cannot display This video mode |
| 00:11.32 | Gathond | zcat[1]: stuff enters unstable and after some time (2 weeks I believe) without new RC bugs get into testing) |
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| 00:11.43 | zcat[1] | ahh.. |
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| 00:11.57 | cat | any ideaS? |
| 00:12.01 | zcat[1] | just cheched, our servers are testing not unstable :) |
| 00:12.02 | cat | what should i do |
| 00:12.06 | uwe | well, does debian only fix security issues in stable? or also crashes and stuff in stable base (and) applications? |
| 00:12.08 | Gathond | zcat[1]: at some point testing then becomes the next stable |
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| 00:12.22 | Gathond | zcat[1]: do note that security updates in testing does not happen |
| 00:12.33 | peterS | uwe: mainly security issues. but also a few really really serious other bugs. they have to be pretty bad. |
| 00:12.46 | Gathond | zcat[1]: so using those for servers would probably require you being able/willing to fix these yourself |
| 00:13.11 | uwe | well, i can say Debian is indeed "diffrent" |
| 00:13.14 | zcat[1] | it was easier than figuring out backports :) |
| 00:13.46 | peterS | uwe: most casual users don't use debian stable. because of its stability (meaning not changing until the next release), software seems to be "too old" after a few months |
| 00:14.05 | Gathond | zcat[1]: but alot less secure, unless you go through the trouble of keeping track of security issues and your software yourself |
| 00:14.20 | zcat[1] | I follow bugtraq |
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| 00:14.33 | Vlat- | Hi |
| 00:14.37 | sparkx_ | hi |
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| 00:14.44 | zcat[1] | and we did a lot of hardening too.. |
| 00:15.04 | peterS | zcat[1]: yeah and if you read the debian-security-announce mailing list, you know exactly when debian releases an update for stable that you may need to investigate and fix yourself |
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| 00:15.38 | uwe | peterS, well, as far as i understood, debian releases a new stable release every 6 months - 1,5 years! but the time gab between sarge and woody was abnormal , why was that?! |
| 00:16.11 | peterS | uwe: the gap wasn't too abnormal. stable releases have gotten slower and slower over time - potato -> woody was 2 years. |
| 00:16.30 | peterS | uwe: everyone wants to release in a faster cycle, it's just a question of how to do it. nobody knows how. |
| 00:16.40 | pepsi | how can i bridge 2 network interfaces? |
| 00:16.47 | Technel | I had this problem like three hours ago, but someone gave me a command and it worked. I guess it set up .xinitrc? The problem is that when I do "startx", the "Debian window manager" comes up. Basically, there are two icons you can click on, neither do anything. I want it to boot into KDE. "xinit /usr/bin/startkde" still works... |
| 00:17.08 | uwe | pepsi, rephrase please!? |
| 00:17.12 | peterS | Technel: echo 'startkde' > ~/.xsession |
| 00:17.26 | pepsi | uwe, i want to use my computer as a glorified hub |
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| 00:17.42 | peterS | Technel: purists say you should { echo '#!/bin/sh'; echo 'startkde'; } > ~/.xsession |
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| 00:18.12 | peterS | hey, it's the man with the bot |
| 00:18.30 | sparkx_ | Technel, or you can add "exec startkde" in your .xinitrc file. |
| 00:18.34 | uwe | pepsi, sorry , i misread ur message (bridge <> bring) , damn my bad english |
| 00:18.45 | Technel | sparkx_: Do I still add "startkde" in .xsession? |
| 00:18.55 | green_earz | pepsi: have a look at > apt-cache show bridge-utils |
| 00:19.04 | sparkx_ | Technel, no. |
| 00:19.05 | peterS | Technel: .xsession and .xinitrc are two different files that do more or less the same thing |
| 00:19.13 | Technel | peterS: Oh, okay. |
| 00:19.24 | pepsi | green_earz, perfect, thanks |
| 00:19.29 | green_earz | np |
| 00:19.36 | peterS | dondelelcaro: bring back our dpkg! (: |
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| 00:19.57 | FieldySnuts | he left? |
| 00:20.00 | dvs | Oh is badger still here? |
| 00:20.04 | FieldySnuts | no |
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| 00:20.40 | dvs | !hi |
| 00:20.42 | peterS | oh well, we still have raven and apt |
| 00:20.57 | dvs | maybe dpkg is stressed out. |
| 00:21.00 | Technel | peterS: It didn't work |
| 00:21.10 | FieldySnuts | somebody has been telling apt to forget quite a lot of factoids, so have fun |
| 00:21.17 | Technel | peterS: Wait, xinitrc or xinitrd? |
| 00:21.22 | peterS | Technel: .xsession you mean? I'm not sure, you may need to also 'chmod +x ~/.xsession' |
| 00:21.34 | peterS | Technel: .xinitrc, or as I prefer, .xsession |
| 00:21.57 | Technel | peterS: I did the other one, because I was reading an article on getting my forward/backward mouse buttons to work and it said to use .xinitrc, so if I could hit two birds with one stone... |
| 00:22.02 | cat | hey can someone help me out please setting up my monitor plz |
| 00:22.04 | peterS | ahh |
| 00:22.12 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
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| 00:22.23 | cat | on the terminal works fine but on the X it doesn't worked at all, |
| 00:22.32 | cat | i don't really know the resolution that |
| 00:22.35 | cat | that's why i |
| 00:22.45 | cat | is a brand new dell flat screen |
| 00:23.17 | green_earz | cat: to reconfigure the montior setup use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:23.25 | psychonate | Can anyone recommend a nice font for aterm? |
| 00:23.33 | chris_the_lion | what means parted#debian |
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| 00:23.46 | peterS | psychonate: Aterm.font: -*-bitstream vera sans mono-bold-r-*-*-15-*-*-*-m-*-*-* |
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| 00:23.56 | peterS | psychonate: from ~/.Xresources |
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| 00:24.12 | uwe | cat, mayb dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?! |
| 00:24.19 | liable | chris_the_lion: left the channel (looking at logs?) |
| 00:24.30 | cat | green_earz: i did it |
| 00:24.40 | green_earz | cat: all so its very use full if you know the montiors' refresh rates vertical and horizoncal |
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| 00:24.47 | cat | but when i do gdm it gives me this error |
| 00:24.53 | chris_the_lion | why not just quit? |
| 00:24.53 | Technel | sparkx_, peterS: Okay, I figured it out. Thanks for the help. But, for some reason, all of my font preferences got erased in KDE. Any idea why that happened? |
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| 00:25.05 | cat | error cannot display This video mode |
| 00:25.13 | cat | that's what i get |
| 00:25.17 | AlexW | I can't boot DVDs on my DVD drive? How can I install Debian from the DVDs? Is there a floopy or something? |
| 00:25.18 | ma3x | ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy <- what's this error? |
| 00:25.29 | peterS | Technel: I have no idea, I don't use KDE |
| 00:25.40 | sparkx_ | Technel, nor do I. |
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| 00:25.49 | Technel | hehe, okay, thank you |
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| 00:25.55 | ixion | if you cant boot from dvd but can read then I suggest you figure out why |
| 00:26.00 | ixion | bios or whatever |
| 00:26.02 | uwe | cat try reducing the resultion mayb! |
| 00:26.03 | peterS | AlexW: eh? why would your DVD drive not be bootable? weird. |
| 00:26.15 | AlexW | It can boot CDs but not DVDs |
| 00:26.15 | dvs | ixion: Some BIOSes don't support it |
| 00:26.16 | AlexW | i dunno |
| 00:26.23 | ixion | odd |
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| 00:26.31 | exobyte | I scanned a system with nmap, but it just said all ports are filtered. I can ssh in, so, uh... |
| 00:26.31 | ixion | flash your bios |
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| 00:26.41 | AlexW | Because ive tried other DVDs too |
| 00:26.44 | FieldySnuts | hopefully with permission |
| 00:27.01 | tvn | I have 2 Deb sarge machines and want to share files using Samba . Everything seems fine but whenever I want to write (e.g., touch something) to the smb shared drive, it seems to hang. But if I control+c the process, everything back to normal and that file 'something' is there. |
| 00:27.02 | peterS | AlexW: you can burn a minimal CD to go with your DVD. the smallest CD image from the download area should work. I haven't tried this so I'm not sure what point is the right one to swap out the media |
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| 00:27.27 | ixion | after the initial setup it will prompt to see if you have any other installation media |
| 00:27.34 | ixion | but I still think you should flash your bios |
| 00:27.45 | psychonate | peterS, the font looks the same. I added the line to my .Xresources file; do I need to do anything to make it take effect? |
| 00:27.48 | FieldySnuts | tvn: in the case of using two linux machines, i'd strongly recommend NFS (as long as you are on a trusted network), samba is a kludge and a pain in the ass |
| 00:27.58 | AlexW | tried that |
| 00:27.59 | peterS | psychonate: yeah, 'xrdb ~/.Xresources'. this happens when you log in |
| 00:28.04 | AlexW | only supports CDs |
| 00:28.15 | tvn | FieldySnuts: I use samba since just in case I want Windows system in the local network to access it too |
| 00:28.15 | AlexW | as in CDroms not DVDroms |
| 00:28.27 | AlexW | just comes up with an error when i make my source a DVD |
| 00:28.33 | FieldySnuts | got me then, i've filed my reccommendation |
| 00:28.34 | FieldySnuts | s |
| 00:28.36 | motod | how do I upgrade my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 00:28.45 | zcat[1] | I've actually found smb easier to use even between linux machines. But I'm kinda weird like that :) |
| 00:28.47 | peterS | motod: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6 - then pick one and apt-get install it |
| 00:28.53 | AlexW | like i select CDROM, and it searchs for one but cant find it because its a dvd, its weird |
| 00:28.54 | peterS | motod: I mean apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 00:29.02 | jim | motod: debian's already installed and you're able to install packages? |
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| 00:29.10 | FieldySnuts | AlexW: dumb question. you are SURE this is a dvd drive? |
| 00:29.10 | sparkx_ | zcat[1], you're not alone ;) |
| 00:29.16 | AlexW | yes |
| 00:29.21 | zcat[1] | I guess if I wanted binaries and permissions and stuff I'd be screwed :) |
| 00:29.22 | AlexW | DVD-Rom |
| 00:29.29 | FieldySnuts | AlexW: okay. if you wrote the CD, what did you use to do it, and how? |
| 00:29.31 | pepsi | green_earz, :) it works |
| 00:29.32 | FieldySnuts | er, not CD, DVD |
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| 00:29.42 | dli | hi |
| 00:29.46 | AlexW | I installed basic system, then booted it to install packagesd |
| 00:29.54 | sparkx_ | zcat[1], i suppose so :) but for sharing read-only mp3 is ok :) |
| 00:30.02 | AlexW | and selected CDROM as source because there was no DVD |
| 00:30.05 | green_earz | cat: have you a copy of knoppix if so boot it and have a look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for the refresh rate and any other info you may need |
| 00:30.09 | AlexW | but then it comes up with hex errors |
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| 00:30.39 | jim | AlexW: how did you write the dvdrom blank? |
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| 00:30.51 | jim | that;s what he's asking you |
| 00:30.53 | AlexW | from this computer |
| 00:30.56 | ixion | might explain why you cant boot from it |
| 00:30.58 | green_earz | pepsi: its a very good package for setting up a brigde ether. nice one |
| 00:31.02 | jim | ok, using what os? |
| 00:31.11 | AlexW | a DVD burner, windows, nero burning rom |
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| 00:31.22 | AlexW | and i tried booting on this computer |
| 00:31.24 | AlexW | wooks fine |
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| 00:31.37 | jim | so the dvdrom image boots? |
| 00:31.44 | AlexW | on this pc |
| 00:31.45 | AlexW | yes |
| 00:31.50 | AlexW | but not on the one i want it to |
| 00:31.53 | jim | ohh |
| 00:31.57 | sparkx_ | good night to all, and thanks for the little chat :) |
| 00:32.09 | motod | peterS reboot? |
| 00:32.11 | ixion | are you sure the other PC supports the DVD format? ie + or _ ? |
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| 00:32.19 | ixion | "or -" that was supposed to say |
| 00:32.38 | ixion | whip out your dvd rom from this machine and stick it in the other |
| 00:32.48 | peterS | motod: right - you can't switch to a different kernel *except* by rebooting. |
| 00:32.56 | motod | right |
| 00:32.59 | jim | ok, let me just ask this question to finish out my line here... did you also use that same dvd to install debian on the machine you're on? or is debian on this machine at all? (we should name the machines... I'm getting confused already) |
| 00:33.02 | ixion | yeah, its more likely a disc format issue |
| 00:33.20 | ixion | there is a difference between DVD-R DVD+R DVD-RW DVD+RW |
| 00:33.39 | ixion | nah, you cant really go wrong with nero burning an iso image |
| 00:33.52 | zcat[1] | "the great thing about standards is there's no many to choose from" |
| 00:33.54 | jim | if you add the first two together, you get 2DVD |
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| 00:34.11 | AlexW | its a DVD-R |
| 00:34.22 | ixion | and do you know the other system yo support that format? |
| 00:34.25 | ixion | to |
| 00:34.46 | ixion | dude, swap out the DVD ROMS to make sure its not a DVDROM issue |
| 00:34.48 | ixion | as in the drive |
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| 00:34.53 | Technel | Okay, I have always used the tutorial here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons -- and it has worked great. However, since I switched to KDE, I can't get it to work. I had it working on XFCE. XF86Config is correct, but then I don't know what to edit. I have tried /etc/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap, ~/.xinitrc, and for the KDE ones I can't even find the directories!! Any ideas? |
| 00:35.20 | FieldySnuts | Technel: wrong channel? |
| 00:35.28 | AlexW | so what your trying to say |
| 00:35.35 | AlexW | is because my DVDRom is so old, it wont support -R |
| 00:35.42 | ixion | there is a chance |
| 00:35.46 | Technel | FieldySnuts: #kde has 167 users -- NONE of which EVER talk |
| 00:35.53 | AlexW | argh |
| 00:35.59 | ixion | none of whom |
| 00:36.05 | FieldySnuts | ~they don't know |
| 00:36.08 | Technel | ixion: Excuse me. |
| 00:36.10 | AlexW | ok one sec lemme pop it out |
| 00:36.10 | FieldySnuts | geez come on |
| 00:36.18 | Technel | FieldySnuts: Haha. |
| 00:36.23 | FieldySnuts | anyway just because some morons in another channel don't know, doesn't mean you have the right to molest us. |
| 00:36.47 | Technel | FieldySnuts: The environment is supported by Debian, so why not in #debian? |
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| 00:37.17 | chris_the_lion | no gentoo in here! |
| 00:37.20 | ixion | wb dpkg |
| 00:37.20 | peterS | dpkg: welcome back! |
| 00:37.21 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 00:37.30 | dvs | !get to work |
| 00:37.33 | Technel | FieldySnuts: And technically I am referring to X11 configuration of my mouse, not KDE itself |
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| 00:37.44 | zcat[1] | ask in #x11 then? |
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| 00:37.54 | zcat[1] | sorry.. |
| 00:38.15 | FabParma | Does exist something similar to "PgpDisk" for Debian? |
| 00:38.36 | ixion | you either know how to help him or not, is it really worth getting into this discussion |
| 00:38.47 | Technel | zcat[1]: A fantastic idea. And then, next, when I want support with X or apt, I will go to #x and #apt even though they build up one of the most essential parts of the operating system (for GUI users)! |
| 00:39.27 | Technel | zcat[1]: And seeing as how they are all empty, that just makes the option even more appealing. Thanks man, you're a lifesaver |
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| 00:39.38 | green_earz | Technel: if you do not get any help here join the > debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:40.09 | ixion | "when I want support" tsk |
| 00:40.10 | chris_the_lion | try gentoo-forums on the web |
| 00:40.16 | Technel | green_earz: Yeah, I suppose I will have to |
| 00:40.16 | FieldySnuts | either he's using debian or not, all that matters |
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| 00:41.06 | Technel | chris_the_lion: I am using Debian dumbass, but, in case you didn't notice, Debian doesn't have any nice guides on how to configure the forward/backward buttons on Logitech mice. You work with what you got. |
| 00:41.23 | zcat[1] | Which reminde me; another problem I have is how to right or middle click on the ppc.. it has a onebutton mouse. |
| 00:41.29 | delire | about 10 minutes ago i apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade on a debian testing/unstable system i've been running for a couple of years. a libc6 upgrade failed and now the system is quite unuseable with X, vim and many others failing with "relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference. |
| 00:41.45 | Technel | and I have used the tutorial on that Gentoo wiki on three distributions, including Debian, without problem |
| 00:41.47 | delire | any ideas as to a recovery? |
| 00:41.53 | SvperPhly | Gathond: shit, sorry bud, you still there? |
| 00:41.55 | FabParma | Does exist something similar to "PgpDisk" for Debian? |
| 00:42.07 | Gathond | SvperPhly: yes |
| 00:42.15 | SvperPhly | in that dpkg -l apache2*... are those the installed modules? |
| 00:42.25 | SvperPhly | even if they don't list version? |
| 00:42.28 | chris_the_lion | im using debian too, and gentoo has good docs |
| 00:42.37 | Gathond | delire: get a live CD (debian based) knoppix works nicely, and use its dpkg to install a known good libc6 package |
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| 00:42.57 | green_earz | Technel: there may be some info in "Debian Reference" that could help ? ? http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 00:43.06 | delire | Gathond: right, fair enough. |
| 00:43.14 | Gathond | SvperPhly: no, that is everything matching that search expression, anything on a like starting with "ii" is currently installed |
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| 00:43.43 | SvperPhly | work is installed |
| 00:43.44 | Gathond | delire: cant remember it of hand, but dpkg has an argument as for what directory to use as root while installing a package |
| 00:43.51 | SvperPhly | apache-mpm-worker is installed.. |
| 00:43.53 | Technel | green_earz: No, they don't really document much about xmodmap |
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| 00:43.58 | zcat[1] | probably -R |
| 00:44.02 | green_earz | ok |
| 00:44.12 | Gathond | SvperPhly: then I think the default (check you configuration file) is to start 5 processes, but I might remember wrong |
| 00:44.16 | delire | Gathond: hmm.. well i bet alot of others will be hit with this one! i'll give the live CD a crack. cheers. |
| 00:44.24 | macadamia | How do I find the Bus, Device and function number for my video card? |
| 00:44.35 | peterS | macadamia: not important, usually. but 'lspci' |
| 00:44.43 | zcat[1] | nope, --root= |
| 00:44.53 | peterS | macadamia: if you're asking because the XFree86 setup screen is asking you, just leave it blank |
| 00:44.54 | green_earz | macadamia: lspci -v |
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| 00:45.23 | macadamia | I am asking because the set up screen asked me, thanx |
| 00:45.25 | SvperPhly | Gathond: dude, i know, this is really wierd, because i havn't touched the damn apache2.conf file... |
| 00:45.27 | peterS | green_earz: lspci without -v is fine too, and much shorter |
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| 00:45.33 | macadamia | I'll leave it blank |
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| 00:45.57 | Gathond | delire: is the version of libc6 you use defective (basically: why did apt-get fail to install the new one= |
| 00:46.09 | A64 | hmm. How can I reconfigure teh X server ? (to recall that nice configuration page when I was installing it) ? |
| 00:46.12 | Draconicus | Hey, I've installed a new Debian on this harddrive to put on my 486 (dubbed the Gore86 for its nearly-undead motherboard). startx won't start X. What's wrong? |
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| 00:46.21 | peterS | A64: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:46.23 | Technel | Okay, "xmodmap -e "pointer = "1 2 3 6 7 4 5"" works, but when you restart X, the configuration is lost. How do I get Debian/KDE to load my xmodmap settings everytime I start X? |
| 00:46.27 | peterS | A64: or, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, on unstable |
| 00:46.33 | Gathond | delire: one cavecat I've fallen into once is that dpkg does not check for available space when installing, so running out of diskspace on / while upgrading libc6 can break it |
| 00:46.35 | Draconicus | It's completely installed, reconfigured a couple times, etc. |
| 00:46.48 | peterS | Technel: you can put that command in ~/.xsession just before startkde or whatever |
| 00:46.50 | Gathond | SvperPhly: yes, but Im not entirely sure the default is 5 :) |
| 00:46.52 | silensius | calendar command give : aoû 06 Atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, 1945 |
| 00:47.26 | liable | Technel: write a simple script that reads your xmodmap file, then add a line to kde autostart file, that calls that script. |
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| 00:47.49 | peterS | it looks funny to me to see aoû, not accustomed to month abbreviations in French |
| 00:47.58 | liable | Technel: or what peterS suggested |
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| 00:48.07 | peterS | fév would look just as funny, come to think of it |
| 00:48.14 | delire | Gathond: i have no idea why the libc6 install failed. after a clean update. |
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| 00:48.33 | Technel | liable: That is basically what I had tried doing, but KDE didn't like it (XFCE worked with it fine) |
| 00:48.35 | ttick | Hey, I'm looking at http://wiki.mutt.org/index.cgi?MuttGuide/Msmtp and it has a nice little awk script that it suggests. Any reason why the [[:space:]] notation doesn't work in my debian Etch install? Is that an oddity, or is the script assuming something that I don't have? |
| 00:48.39 | delire | Gathond: i'm tempted to run away from unstable again ;) |
| 00:48.45 | Technel | peterS: I had put it after startkde, that might have been the problem |
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| 00:49.00 | Gathond | delire: the output just before the failure probably told something about that |
| 00:49.02 | Draconicus | No comments here? |
| 00:49.04 | peterS | Technel: yeah, startkde doesn't finish until you log out |
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| 00:49.12 | peterS | ha, he just left. |
| 00:49.23 | peterS | Technel: yeah, startkde doesn't finish until you log out |
| 00:49.32 | peterS | Technel: so if you want to accomplish anything you have to do it before that |
| 00:49.41 | Gathond | delire: I would think the topic here would contain a warning if sids libc6 is currently horribly broken |
| 00:49.55 | FabParma | Does exist something similar to "PgpDisk" for Debian? |
| 00:50.10 | peterS | FabParma: tell us what PgpDisk does and we might be able to answer |
| 00:50.14 | Gathond | delire: so I suspect something else like running out of diskspace caused the failure |
| 00:50.28 | SvperPhly | Gathond: this is totally strange.. there's no reason why it should start up 56 processes |
| 00:50.32 | delire | Gathond: no, 19 gb free here. |
| 00:50.34 | Technel | peterS: I added "xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"" in ~/.xinitrc, but it didn't work. Is something wrong with -e or should I do ~/.xsession? |
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| 00:51.04 | peterS | Technel: I can't remember xmodmap syntax for setting mouse buttons. I assume what you have is correct. |
| 00:51.12 | delire | Gathond: happened 20 mins ago, libc6 wasn't to be upgraded before this time. |
| 00:51.30 | FabParma | peterS: pgpdisk, encript all partition with pgp key |
| 00:51.36 | liable | Technel: write an .xmodmap file, then put a line like 'xmodmap ~/.xmodmap' in .xsession |
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| 00:51.49 | peterS | FabParma: you can encrypt partitions in Debian. not with a PGP key, but with a regular passphrase. |
| 00:51.51 | sallem | hi guys :) |
| 00:52.08 | peterS | liable: really, xmodmap -e should be equivalent |
| 00:52.40 | Gathond | delire: anyway, I would suggest trying to install the same .deb file again using a CDrom dist |
| 00:52.41 | da4n1 | is there anything else then the drivers i need to get my audio working? |
| 00:52.54 | Draconicus | Well.. um... What would be the reason for the whole startx not starting x and xserver-xorg no existing as a package on mirrors.kernel.org/debian? |
| 00:53.01 | dvs | da4n1: The mixer |
| 00:53.06 | FabParma | peterS: can You give some exemples? some package name |
| 00:53.09 | delire | Gathond: dpkg is broken sadly. i'll have to chroot from a live cd i think. |
| 00:53.32 | peterS | FabParma: cryptsetup |
| 00:53.35 | Gathond | Draconicus: what excatly does startx result in? |
| 00:53.42 | da4n1 | dvs whats package name of the mixor? |
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| 00:53.47 | Gathond | delire: probably |
| 00:53.58 | dvs | da4n1: ALSA or OSS? |
| 00:54.00 | Gathond | delire: libc6 broken = just about everything broken |
| 00:54.05 | sallem | i've a question :$, in fact, i've "libstdc++5" installed, and this is not the most recent packet in my source.list, the "apt-get install libstdc*" show me that "libstdc++6" when i install it, the libstdc++5 is not removed, and if i want to remove it, apt and a very long list of programs will be delete. My question is, how do for update libstdc++5 to the libstdc++6 ? :) |
| 00:54.08 | Draconicus | Gathond: command not found. :P |
| 00:54.10 | FabParma | peterS: thank you |
| 00:54.12 | peterS | Gathond: yeah, though that depends on the nature of the breakage |
| 00:54.32 | da4n1 | dvs: what? i'm using sarge ia386 |
| 00:54.43 | Gathond | Draconicus: great, nice fact to include:) install xbase-clients |
| 00:54.48 | Gathond | peterS: true |
| 00:54.48 | green_earz | da4n1: and add the user to the audio group adduser user-name audio |
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| 00:54.56 | delire | Gathond: yeah, nothing really works. it's been years with debian testing/unstable. about time i try something else ;) |
| 00:54.56 | dvs | da4n1: What sound module are you using? |
| 00:55.17 | da4n1 | dvs: i got no idea |
| 00:55.28 | dvs | da4n1: Then I don't know which one you need. |
| 00:55.35 | peterS | da4n1: run this: lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 00:55.48 | peterS | da4n1: it will print some xxxx:yyyy which we can use to tell you about sound drivers |
| 00:55.58 | da4n1 | whats that? |
| 00:56.01 | da4n1 | 1106:3059 |
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| 00:56.20 | Technel | liable: But shouldn't just adding "xmodmap -e ..." work in ~/.xsession? |
| 00:56.24 | sallem | someone can help me ? :o (sorry for my english :D) |
| 00:56.34 | peterS | da4n1: right, that's a VIA 82xx |
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| 00:56.40 | ma3x | Hello guys, when I convert nrg->iso (Audio), then it's impossible to mount audio image. So what how can I listen to it? |
| 00:56.43 | peterS | da4n1: motherboard audio. the driver is snd_via82xx |
| 00:56.45 | Draconicus | Gathond: Gyah... Why wasn't that included in apt-get build-dep xserver-xfree86? :P |
| 00:56.49 | Draconicus | Thanks. |
| 00:56.51 | liable | Technel: spose, never done it like that. |
| 00:56.53 | Gathond | sallem: you probably need both |
| 00:57.03 | peterS | da4n1: so, have you got kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? "uname -r" will tell |
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| 00:57.15 | AlexW | yep worked |
| 00:57.17 | AlexW | hrrm |
| 00:57.21 | AlexW | guess it means a new dvd drive |
| 00:57.25 | Gathond | sallem: libstdc++6 would be used by programs compiled against that version and the older stuff keeps using the old one |
| 00:57.47 | sallem | Gathond lot of thanks for reading me :p hmm, when i install the cvs of amsn it didn't detect libstdc... :/ why ? ôO |
| 00:58.01 | AlexW | or new dvds |
| 00:58.04 | peterS | !b-e sallem |
| 00:58.05 | dpkg | sallem: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 00:58.11 | da4n1 | btw its uname -s, kernel 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 00:58.17 | da4n1 | -a i mean |
| 00:58.20 | Draconicus | Now I think I'm done. Time to throw this onto the Gore86 once I tweak things a bit. |
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| 00:58.36 | peterS | da4n1: it's also uname -r. so, you can choose to install ALSA modules, or you can use the non-ALSA driver |
| 00:58.38 | Gathond | sallem: install as in compile? you probably need the -dev packages for the library (actually for any library amsn uses) |
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| 00:59.01 | A64 | Oh my.. I deleted the contents of the /etc/X11 dir. Now if I remove and reinstall the x-window-system, and even reconfigure it, it won't create a new XF86Config-4 file so startx doesn't work. What can I do ? :D |
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| 00:59.06 | peterS | da4n1: to use the non-ALSA driver, just do "modprobe via82cxxx_audio" |
| 00:59.18 | delire | Gathond: lol, no 'ls' ;) |
| 00:59.23 | peterS | da4n1: assuming that works fine, and it should, just add a line "via82cxxx_audio" to /etc/modules so it will happen next time you boot |
| 00:59.28 | beat- | can anyone help me? |
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| 00:59.38 | Draconicus | Um.. yeah... X still won't start. :P |
| 00:59.38 | Gathond | delire: no of cause not :) you do realise what libc is? |
| 00:59.41 | sallem | thanks Gathond :) |
| 00:59.45 | sallem | i'll install -dev ;) |
| 00:59.50 | sallem | i've not it on my sources.list |
| 00:59.55 | Gathond | Draconicus: so what is the error now? |
| 00:59.56 | Vlat- | beat-: what's the prob ? |
| 00:59.59 | beat- | well |
| 00:59.59 | jim | beat-: only if you tell us why... |
| 01:00.00 | Draconicus | Weird... why didn't I have these errors way back when? |
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| 01:00.04 | Draconicus | Gathond: Hold on. |
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| 01:00.10 | _daniel_ | Sorry: If I have a modules sources, how can I create a /usr/src/modules package to build custom modules for the kernel ? |
| 01:00.17 | delire | Gathond: yes of course, i've been dependent on it for around 8 years ;) |
| 01:00.23 | peterS | A64: you'll have to reinstall several packages to get back the contents of /etc/X11. can't remember them all offhand. |
| 01:00.33 | Gathond | delire: and so does just about anything written in C :) |
| 01:00.35 | beat- | i am willing to install debian but when i went to download on a ftp from country the latest version it had 14 iso's. |
| 01:00.36 | delire | Gathond: one tends to forget how intrinsic it is. |
| 01:00.36 | Draconicus | Gathond: Connection reset by peer on X server "0:0" |
| 01:00.39 | Draconicus | Etc. |
| 01:00.43 | beat- | do i really have to download 14 isos? |
| 01:00.49 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 01:00.55 | FieldySnuts | ~netinst |
| 01:00.55 | apt | somebody said netinst was a mini-CD bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html for a large variety of sources for various netinst images for Woody, Sarge, and Sid. http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/tc1/sarge-i386-netinst.iso for the beta netinstall cds for sarge/sid |
| 01:00.55 | A64 | omfg.. :/ |
| 01:00.55 | beat- | because i'm limited on bandwith by my isp |
| 01:00.56 | jim | _daniel_: I'm not sure the details for automating that, but it may already be automated |
| 01:00.58 | Gathond | Draconicus: not the actual error probably |
| 01:00.58 | AlexW | would it be possible to create a debian mirror from 2 dvds |
| 01:01.01 | peterS | A64: but start with dpkg --purge xserver-xfree86 xserver-common x11-common |
| 01:01.09 | peterS | A64: then apt-get install xserver-xfree86 again |
| 01:01.10 | jim | beat-: -hell- no :) you don't even need one! |
| 01:01.14 | beat- | but netinst wont solve the problem |
| 01:01.17 | Gathond | Draconicus: could you possibly paste the entire thing on some pastebin site? |
| 01:01.20 | A64 | I'll do, thanks. |
| 01:01.22 | beat- | because i'll have to download |
| 01:01.26 | beat- | the files anyway |
| 01:01.30 | _daniel_ | Jim how do you do it ? |
| 01:01.31 | FieldySnuts | so? |
| 01:01.34 | jim | beat-: yes, that's true |
| 01:01.44 | FieldySnuts | it won't be anywhere close to 14 dvd's worth. |
| 01:01.46 | Gathond | beat-: no you dont, only the parts of hte 14 CD's you actually install |
| 01:01.48 | jim | _daniel_: does it already have a debian/ dir? |
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| 01:01.58 | FieldySnuts | s/dvd/cd/ |
| 01:02.04 | beat- | well |
| 01:02.07 | beat- | but i would like |
| 01:02.08 | Gathond | beat-: which is probably about 1-2 CD's worth, tops |
| 01:02.10 | Draconicus | Gathond: And how the hell would I do that with minimal console text extracting knowledge and the most minimal of installations. X is the only big thing I've installed apart from GNOME, which I might remove if it proves to be too much for the system. |
| 01:02.13 | _daniel_ | jim, no, thats what I want to do |
| 01:02.17 | beat- | well |
| 01:02.20 | beat- | but with netinst |
| 01:02.27 | Gathond | Draconicus: links? |
| 01:02.31 | Gathond | Draconicus: lynx? |
| 01:02.34 | FieldySnuts | you're going to have to download the files one way or another. |
| 01:02.35 | peterS | A64: to get a complete list of packages you might have annoyed, try this: dpkg -S /etc/X11 |
| 01:02.39 | peterS | A64: it's a pretty long list for me |
| 01:02.49 | jim | beat-: right, I misspoke... you only need what packages you install... and you -could- just install the base and go from there |
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| 01:02.55 | Draconicus | Gathond: I'll just type out the whole goddamned error. It's only one line. |
| 01:02.58 | FieldySnuts | certainly not 14 cd's worth with netinst |
| 01:03.03 | beat- | but my problem is this |
| 01:03.19 | beat- | my isp filters national traffic (bandwith) from international traffic |
| 01:03.26 | jim | _daniel_: I'm not sure the details. but: you could get a module source package and look at its debian/rules |
| 01:03.28 | Gathond | Draconicus: hmmm, usually X drops several pages of crap when it fails |
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| 01:03.30 | beat- | i have 40gigs of national traffic and only 2gigs of international |
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| 01:03.34 | A64 | ok |
| 01:03.35 | FieldySnuts | shrug, change isp's. that's rediculous. |
| 01:03.38 | beat- | if i use netinst it will probably |
| 01:03.42 | beat- | download from servers |
| 01:03.44 | da4n1 | peterS: its not wokring i've installed kmix |
| 01:03.44 | jim | _daniel_, to start with, that is |
| 01:03.45 | liable | beat-: so pick a local mirror.. |
| 01:03.47 | beat- | that are not on my country |
| 01:03.47 | Draconicus | Gathond: Yes, but this is easier. |
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| 01:03.56 | beat- | are there any mirrors for netinst in portugal? |
| 01:03.59 | peterS | da4n1: make sure your user is in the 'audio' group: adduser yourusername audio |
| 01:04.02 | beat- | i know that there are mirrors |
| 01:04.06 | beat- | to download the isos |
| 01:04.09 | peterS | da4n1: if you were not in 'audio', you will have to log out / log in |
| 01:04.13 | Draconicus | Gathond: OH. This is just one of those stupid no screens found errors. :P |
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| 01:04.27 | jim | beat-: there might be. are you saying it's different if you don't go outside your country? |
| 01:04.40 | Gathond | Draconicus: excatly, which means the actual cause is somewhere before that in the X servers log |
| 01:04.43 | jim | beat-: I believe you can choose your mirror. |
| 01:04.46 | beat- | yes |
| 01:04.52 | beat- | portuguese isp's suck |
| 01:04.55 | beat- | :( |
| 01:04.57 | StFS | hi, how do I add a kernel boot parameter to a kernel that has been installed with apt? I don't suppose editing /boot/grub/menu.lst is right since it says in that file that update-grub will overwrite that |
| 01:05.07 | beat- | ok i'll try the netinst |
| 01:05.09 | beat- | and see it |
| 01:05.12 | beat- | thanks dudes |
| 01:05.17 | Gathond | Draconicus: although If you just installed I would guess the cause is using the wrong driver for the gfx chipset |
| 01:05.22 | Draconicus | Gathond: Yippee. Isn't there a very typical and generic cause, or couldn't I just install xorg and be through with this shit? |
| 01:05.32 | _daniel_ | jim, but isnt there a make-kpkg to do it, like an optimised way ? a script that does it ? |
| 01:05.34 | zcat[1] | NZ isp's suck too |
| 01:05.40 | Laibsch | Hi, I have three network cards in my router. Where can I hardwire which one becomes eth0, eth1 and eth2? |
| 01:06.08 | jim | beat: don't set up the net right away; download the base first, install, then edit /etc/network/interfaces to get you on your net |
| 01:06.12 | Smalls | I'm in the process of installig debian on one of my boxes. I've got a question though.. I'm at the partitioning screen and I don't understand how to set up my hard drives on LVM. I have 2, I want to set up a / a swap and the rest of the space on my 2 drives to be /home. Can anybody help? |
| 01:06.20 | AlexW | whats the diff between +/- DVDs |
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| 01:06.31 | Gathond | Draconicus: typical errors I've seen include: unsuported gfx card (or wrong driver configured), no core pointer (no mouse configured), using monitor settings that cause no acceptable resolution to be available |
| 01:06.40 | Arafangion | Is there a port of Debian to Darwin? |
| 01:06.48 | jim | beat: OR use just the installer (not with base), configure the net early and let it do its thing |
| 01:06.53 | Arafangion | (And does it support the wifi?) |
| 01:06.59 | jim | !.pt |
| 01:07.00 | dpkg | .pt is probably Portugal |
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| 01:07.04 | Draconicus | Gathond: Wrong driver. I was very hasty on the configuration. I'll have to reconfigure on the 486 anyway. God knows what that ancient VGA card is... |
| 01:07.28 | Smalls | Anybody here know much about LVM? |
| 01:07.28 | zcat[1] | at least it's not CGA :) |
| 01:07.29 | sallem | Gathond i have installed -dev of libstdc++5 and amsn when i "./configure" put this error "checking for main in -lstdc++... no" && "configure: error: stdc++ library not found" how can i do please ? :o |
| 01:07.35 | Gathond | Arafangion: http://debian.org/ports/ , if there is one it is listed there I would assume |
| 01:07.36 | peterS | Smalls: what about it? ask your real question (: |
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| 01:07.40 | beat- | well |
| 01:07.43 | Smalls | I'm in the process of installig debian on one of my boxes. I've got a question though.. I'm at the partitioning screen and I don't understand how to set up my hard drives on LVM. I have 2, I want to set up a / a swap and the rest of the space on my 2 drives to be /home. Can anybody help? |
| 01:07.45 | beat- | but what do i have to download |
| 01:07.49 | beat- | to install the base |
| 01:07.51 | beat- | newbie in here |
| 01:07.52 | beat- | :roll: |
| 01:07.54 | jim | There are two options for installs over the network: |
| 01:08.00 | Arafangion | Gathond: Yes, but I doubt it'll include such trivial details such as wifi support... |
| 01:08.05 | jim | Minimal CD: Instead of getting a full 650MB CD image, you just download a CD image file which contains the bare essentials necessary to install the rest. For the moment, it's necessary to have access to a CD recorder in order to use this. |
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| 01:08.19 | jim | # Floppy disks: You download a couple of floppy disk images (files the size of a floppy disk), write them to floppy disks, and then start the installation by booting from the those diskettes. |
| 01:08.32 | Gathond | Draconicus: the vesa driver should be a safe bet then, slow, non accelerated, but should have the best chance of working |
| 01:08.47 | Arafangion | Gathond: Hmm, turns out that there is no such port at all. |
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| 01:09.00 | jim | http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 01:09.06 | jim | look at that page |
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| 01:09.15 | zcat[1] | VESA is fairly modern.. a 486 is likely to only support generic VGA |
| 01:09.16 | blitx | Just in case whichever one of you told me that no restart is required after installing ALSA: |
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| 01:09.21 | blitx | You must restart for ALSA |
| 01:09.39 | SvperPhly | is there any command to totally uninstall apache2 and all it's files? config files too? |
| 01:09.39 | ma3x | how can i update the firmware of my dvd writer? |
| 01:09.42 | Draconicus | Gathond: Thanks for the tip. :)_ |
| 01:09.51 | blitx | SvperPhly, use Synaptic |
| 01:09.53 | jim_ | So all you experienced folk out there, which do you prefer? Qmail with Vpopmail and all its whistles and/or Postfix with postfixadmin ...? |
| 01:10.05 | Gathond | Draconicus: might also be a VGA only driver (think that is the vesa one) |
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| 01:10.07 | blitx | SvperPhly, tell it total removal when you click it |
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| 01:10.13 | SvperPhly | click it? |
| 01:10.20 | Draconicus | Also, what are the chances of GNOME running non-laggedly on a 486 packed with RAM? (I haven't bothered to count, but it's not a lot...) |
| 01:10.20 | SvperPhly | no GUI |
| 01:10.22 | jim | blitx: "must" is a strong word... what you actually have to make sure of is the old oss modules are unloaded, and then you can load the alsa modules |
| 01:10.26 | blitx | SvperPhly, there is a box next to each package name in synaptic |
| 01:10.35 | |Trev_| | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.49 | jim_ | I have ran both, I like Qmailadmin and all that, but while Postfixadmin is a bit more involved, I think I favor it... but I was curious of ya'lls views |
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| 01:11.00 | Gathond | Draconicus: I would say just about the same chance as it running well on my HP49G calculators 2 Mhz CPU :) |
| 01:11.10 | SvperPhly | blitx no x install |
| 01:11.16 | Draconicus | Hahaha. |
| 01:11.22 | Gathond | Draconicus: but I haven't tried, so it might actually work |
| 01:11.34 | Gathond | Draconicus: what is packed with ram btw? |
| 01:11.42 | Draconicus | Alright, well, xorg and a majority of alternatives seem to be missing from aptitude's lists, so I'll just use Synaptic. It's damned easy. |
| 01:11.48 | Draconicus | Gotta poofle now. |
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| 01:11.50 | jim | jim_: either should work... if you're familiar with qmail more, that's a factor to consider |
| 01:12.18 | blitx | SvperPhly, what? |
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| 01:12.51 | kerneld | Anyone come across this in sid recently? vipw/groupadd/useradd etc fail, due to being unable to logg passwd or group |
| 01:13.01 | jim_ | jim: I've ran both... Qmail/Qmaladmin/Vpopmail and all that is nice and all, but I guess I am looking to try something new, so I am considering migrating to Postfixadmin... |
| 01:13.01 | kerneld | lock rather |
| 01:13.12 | da4n1 | peterS: its still not working |
| 01:13.18 | kerneld | try sudi vigr |
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| 01:13.48 | SvperPhly | blitx: you're saying to click on boxes... i don't have a gui... i'm shelled in |
| 01:13.51 | SvperPhly | ssh'd in |
| 01:14.27 | jim | SvperPhly: if both sides of the ssh are appropriately configured... you could actually do it... |
| 01:14.34 | zcat[1] | aptitude? |
| 01:14.46 | SvperPhly | jim: from windows? |
| 01:14.48 | AlexW | is it possible to setup a debian mirror using my DVDs? |
| 01:14.50 | deadcat | yes, aptitude |
| 01:14.52 | peterS | da4n1: run 'dmesg | tail' to see if the driver complained as it loaded |
| 01:15.00 | jim | sure... cygwin + xfree86 :) |
| 01:15.09 | deadcat | AlexW: sure. but it will be out-of-date |
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| 01:15.32 | Draconicus | I'm just going to stay on this time. |
| 01:15.41 | Draconicus | What's the bus ID for VGA? |
| 01:15.42 | AlexW | its so i can install on multiple pcs without having to keep downloading from the net |
| 01:15.47 | AlexW | a few updates are fine |
| 01:15.54 | Draconicus | Wait... |
| 01:15.56 | AlexW | but the whole deal is a bit to much for my quota |
| 01:15.58 | Draconicus | lspci |
| 01:15.58 | zcat[1] | start from DVDs and rsync it up to date? |
| 01:15.59 | Draconicus | Duh. |
| 01:16.03 | Draconicus | Nevermind. |
| 01:16.40 | AlexW | so what folder structure what files etc do i put on my webserver |
| 01:17.05 | da4n1 | it didn't load the module |
| 01:17.12 | peterS | da4n1: whyever not? |
| 01:17.18 | kerneld | Hmmm.. evil. adduser left a .lock file on passwd and group |
| 01:17.20 | deadcat | how would i rephrase this for my resume? "-Deploying multiple client desktops with SystemImager, Norton Ghost, and NetRestore." |
| 01:17.30 | peterS | da4n1: had you perhaps already installed an ALSA modules package and run alsaconf? |
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| 01:17.46 | da4n1 | not that i know |
| 01:17.51 | bucky | heya grumpydog_ |
| 01:17.51 | da4n1 | what if i did? |
| 01:18.06 | Laibsch | How can I force a certain network card to become eth2 instead of eth0? |
| 01:18.15 | peterS | da4n1: then the other driver would already have claimed your device |
| 01:18.18 | JoeTehN00b | I'm fairly sure I have a bad video card or some such, or if anyone could give me suggestions to what it could be I'm all open. When I boot up my computer with Windows on one hard drive, during the boot process I get a quick blue screen of death and the computer resets quickly. I tried another hard drive with windows and debian on it and the same exact thing happened for Windows, blue screen then restart. When I loaded debia |
| 01:18.20 | deadcat | Laibsch: ifrename |
| 01:18.32 | peterS | da4n1: but you should answer the question anyway. whyever not? |
| 01:18.33 | Laibsch | deadcat: Thank you. I'll take a look. |
| 01:18.40 | Arafangion | JoeTehN00b: Have you run memtest86? |
| 01:19.02 | Draconicus | Seriously... what's the bus id for AGP? I know it's a PCI port... |
| 01:19.09 | da4n1 | what? i have no idea why it didn't load the module |
| 01:19.14 | peterS | Draconicus: don't worry about it. leave that question blank |
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| 01:19.31 | peterS | Draconicus: usually your AGP bridge is bus 1, if only because most motherboards are too cheap to have other PCI bridges |
| 01:19.33 | kerneld | oops, nevermind, I had a vipw in the background. Shouldn't have blocked groupadd though. |
| 01:19.41 | Arafangion | JoeTehN00b: Please keep your questions in channel. |
| 01:19.42 | jim | Draconicus: if you just actually want to know... you can lspci :) |
| 01:19.49 | Laibsch | deadcat: Looks like EXACTLY what I was looking for. Thanks a bunch |
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| 01:19.57 | peterS | da4n1: you told us it didn't load it. what excuse did it have for this behavior? |
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| 01:20.27 | deadcat | Laibsch: ya. i find it very useful. eth80122, eth1394, eth1337 HAHAH |
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| 01:20.39 | JoeTehN00b | Ok, no I haven't run memtest86 yet. How? |
| 01:20.49 | deadcat | JoeTehN00b: apt-cache search |
| 01:20.50 | Arafangion | JoeTehN00b: Download it, and burn it to an iso and boot it. |
| 01:20.55 | Laibsch | deadcat: You're a funny guy, he? |
| 01:20.56 | peterS | deadcat: no, eth1337 is more properly known as teh1337 |
| 01:20.57 | jim | arrange to boot it... boot it... |
| 01:21.09 | deadcat | Laibsch: crazy funny. not humor funny |
| 01:21.15 | da4n1 | where can i se that? |
| 01:21.20 | JoeTehN00b | Thanks, ok. |
| 01:21.22 | jim | tehF337? |
| 01:21.44 | peterS | tehran |
| 01:21.49 | Draconicus | jim: xserver reconfiguration doesn't like what lspci shows. |
| 01:22.01 | jim | oh... |
| 01:22.06 | jim | do you have two cards? |
| 01:22.21 | peterS | Draconicus: if you have two cards of the same kind, use 'lspci -X' to print the right bus ID format |
| 01:22.23 | deadcat | this look ok on the resume? -Cloning desktops with SystemImager, Norton Ghost, and NetRestore. |
| 01:22.32 | FieldySnuts | or two outputs on one card (analog/dvi like mine) |
| 01:22.58 | peterS | FieldySnuts: XF86 doesn't default correctly in your case, then? |
| 01:23.07 | FieldySnuts | never has |
| 01:23.20 | Draconicus | peterS: I don't... anyway, before I could just leave the bus crap blank. Why can't I now? |
| 01:23.43 | da4n1 | peterS: whats log will can i check error msg of my audio module? |
| 01:23.45 | peterS | Draconicus: ask FieldySnuts, who apparently has a dual-head card that requires actually specifying which head to use |
| 01:23.47 | jim | hmm... so you really can't? |
| 01:23.57 | FieldySnuts | no don't ask me, I don't wanna answer |
| 01:24.02 | peterS | da4n1: 'dmesg | tail' is as good as any |
| 01:24.11 | FieldySnuts | ~troll FieldySnuts |
| 01:24.11 | apt | ACTION hereby declares FieldySnuts a troll |
| 01:24.17 | da4n1 | via_audio: ignoring drain playback error -11 |
| 01:24.21 | peterS | ~have a cookie |
| 01:24.21 | apt | Ta. *Munch* |
| 01:24.28 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 01:24.28 | apt | Pakistan will get turned into a sheet of glass by Iran! |
| 01:24.49 | peterS | da4n1: nothing more interesting than that? |
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| 01:24.59 | da4n1 | no |
| 01:25.14 | jim | !start a barbie war |
| 01:25.15 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 01:25.28 | peterS | da4n1: well, you can try 'dmesg | less' to see your *whole* kernel log, maybe the error happened a week ago when the module first tried to load, or something |
| 01:25.35 | jim | !stop a barbie war |
| 01:25.35 | dpkg | wars are too HARD! let's just all be friends and go shopping! |
| 01:25.45 | ixion | !madwifi |
| 01:25.46 | dpkg | madwifi is probably http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 01:25.46 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 01:26.43 | Draconicus | !try harder |
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| 01:26.51 | Draconicus | Worth a try. :p |
| 01:26.57 | Draconicus | :P* |
| 01:27.15 | Draconicus | I kind of zoned out.. um... |
| 01:27.21 | ixion | if you change the dhcp server on your network is there something funny you are supposed to do |
| 01:27.27 | Draconicus | Yeah, why can't I just leave it blank? |
| 01:27.29 | ixion | I cant get this new server to hand out addresses |
| 01:27.41 | levander | Is it possible that writing to a 16x DVD burner over an regular ATA33 (before 80 conductor cables) is causing problems? E.g. the ATA33 bus just isn't fast enough to feed the DVD burner? |
| 01:27.45 | Arafangion | ixion: Is the old one still handing out addresses? Have all the leases expired? |
| 01:27.49 | da4n1 | peterS: found this ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: ALG96 (Unknown) |
| 01:27.49 | AlexW | isi php5 on debian yet? |
| 01:27.50 | jim | Draconicus: if you say just lspci, what's the id of your card? |
| 01:27.57 | ixion | ive removed hdcp from the old one |
| 01:28.01 | grumpydog_ | hiya bucky |
| 01:28.04 | ixion | and am forcing a renew of IP addresses from the client |
| 01:28.17 | bucky | hi grumpydog_ |
| 01:28.24 | Gathond | levander: probably |
| 01:28.27 | sallem | testing is on xorg ? |
| 01:28.32 | Gathond | levander: 16X DVD = some 20 MB/s iirc |
| 01:28.41 | bucky | grumpydog_, let's go to #freematrix |
| 01:28.51 | technos | [5~/play |
| 01:28.51 | grumpydog_ | bucky just going back over to my other boxen |
| 01:28.55 | technos | Damnit. |
| 01:29.06 | Draconicus | jim: 0000:02:00.0 I put it in as PCI:0:02:0 out of desperation. |
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| 01:29.08 | grumpydog_ | bucky ok get in #freematrix then :) |
| 01:29.09 | peterS | ehh, I thought grumpydog_ was a gentoobie. wonder where I got that impression |
| 01:29.15 | Gathond | levander: yeah 22 MB/s which would at least have to be doubled |
| 01:29.18 | levander | Gathond: yeah, but 20 MB/s is the advertised speed, as is 33 MB/s for ATA 33. Just don't know if in practise if ATA 33 is fast enough. |
| 01:29.20 | peterS | Draconicus: I told you, lspci -X |
| 01:29.21 | Gathond | zcat[1]: not ATA133 ? |
| 01:29.26 | ixion | hmm hangon, does a renew try get a new address from the same DHCP server? |
| 01:29.28 | peterS | Draconicus: could've saved yourself a lot of wondering |
| 01:29.32 | zcat[1] | no, ata33, 40-wire cable |
| 01:29.34 | ixion | i.e, it doesnt broadcast again |
| 01:29.36 | jim | Draconicus: ok, if you say lspci -X, is that what it says your id is? |
| 01:29.39 | levander | Gathond: the computer is up and going though, doing other, largely trivial stuff. |
| 01:29.40 | Gathond | zcat[1]: and CD or DVD? |
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| 01:29.47 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 01:29.48 | Arafangion | In practice, you can always reduce the speed of the burner. |
| 01:29.49 | Draconicus | :p |
| 01:29.54 | zcat[1] | CD.. sorry, were you asking dvd? |
| 01:30.04 | Draconicus | jim: You said if I had two of the same card, you cheesebasket! |
| 01:30.12 | Gathond | levander: I, would not expect it to be able to keep up no, but just burn 8X then |
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| 01:30.24 | levander | Arafangion: if it is the ATA33 bus causing some of these DVD's to fail to burn, that's exactly what I'll do |
| 01:30.25 | zcat[1] | ahh.. I misread :) |
| 01:30.38 | levander | zcat[1]: yes, 16x DVD burner |
| 01:30.41 | jim | Draconicus: I was asking that before, yes. but then you said it guessed wrong either way |
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| 01:31.08 | Arafangion | levander: You should try the faster speed anyway, and monitor the buffer. |
| 01:31.16 | jim | actually I didn't say that one, but I was still wondering it |
| 01:31.21 | Gathond | levander: I would have thought most DVD drives had some sort of buffer underrun protection meaning it should not fail the burning even should the buffer run empty |
| 01:31.21 | Arafangion | levander: Most linux burner software will tell you stats on the buffer |
| 01:31.25 | ixion | Ive install madwifi and wirless tools but its not seeing my hardware, am I supposed to be doing something after I install madwifi to start the driver? |
| 01:31.50 | levander | I did notice that when I bought the burner, it suggested a Pentiumm III 833 processor, which I thought was wierd. Maybe that's the first processor that was supported by a motherboard chipset that supported ATA66? |
| 01:32.19 | peterS | levander: that usually just means for the windows software that comes bundled with the drive |
| 01:32.21 | levander | Arafangion: none of the tools I'm using show me the buffer. Nautilus, growfs, I haven't see a buffer in any of them. |
| 01:32.26 | Gathond | levander: probably the CPU they determined windows something or other needed to be able to move that ammount of data that fast reliably |
| 01:32.41 | peterS | levander: ATA66 has been around a lot longer than Pentium III 800 MHz |
| 01:32.53 | levander | peterS: Why would software that doesn't do anything but let you manipulate files to be burned to disc need an 833 MHz processor? |
| 01:32.56 | Arafangion | levander: xcdroast |
| 01:33.01 | Gathond | levander: an older system than that might have problems reading and writing 22 MB/s |
| 01:33.05 | levander | Gathond: that's what I'm wondering |
| 01:33.06 | Arafangion | levander: Not sure if that does dvd's, though. |
| 01:33.07 | peterS | levander: that's a really good question |
| 01:33.15 | levander | Anybody know if gnomebaker or graveman shows the buffer. |
| 01:33.16 | ixion | writing a dvd/cd on windows kills it |
| 01:33.18 | ixion | the performance |
| 01:33.28 | ixion | you'd get buffer underuns if it couldnt keep up |
| 01:33.29 | FieldySnuts | too much gui overhead |
| 01:33.34 | Gathond | levander: dont know, windows being really bad at reading/writing data? |
| 01:33.42 | levander | Gathond: no idea about buffer underrun features. |
| 01:33.45 | ixion | writing a dvd bring some p4 systems grinding to a halt |
| 01:34.05 | grumpydog | peterS, what gave you the impression I was a gentooer. Apart from the fact I delivered the 2004/2005 UK gentoo dev conference? |
| 01:34.08 | FieldySnuts | shitty systems then |
| 01:34.13 | Gathond | levander: depending on the system, disk system and the like, just reading 22 MB/s might be somewhat of a strain |
| 01:34.17 | peterS | grumpydog: oh, dunno (: |
| 01:34.22 | levander | Gathond: I'm not on Windows, I'm on Linux |
| 01:34.35 | Gathond | FieldySnuts: yes, but shitty systems would probably be included in the recommended system list |
| 01:34.37 | ixion | could someone please tell me a) what I need to add to my grub config to start without acpi support b)what I need to do with madwifi to "load" the driver, I've installed it using module assistant |
| 01:34.38 | levander | Gathond: Oh, I see what your saying, that's why it needs the 833 MHz processor. |
| 01:34.45 | jim | where was the conference before you delivered it? |
| 01:34.53 | Draconicus | Damn you Stargate Atlantis! You distract me sooo! |
| 01:34.53 | Gathond | levander: yes, but I doubt the ones figuring out the minimum requirements were |
| 01:35.02 | Draconicus | Is there an lsisa? |
| 01:35.13 | technos | jim: In a box. You try getting FedEx to ship anything without one. |
| 01:35.15 | grumpydog | jim, there was no conference at all |
| 01:35.16 | peterS | Draconicus: lspnp from pnpbios-tools |
| 01:35.16 | Arafangion | Atlantis is a shit series. |
| 01:35.17 | Draconicus | And what was the driver you recommended, again? |
| 01:35.20 | levander | Gathond: okay, i understnad you now |
| 01:35.23 | peterS | Draconicus: and pnpdump from isapnptools |
| 01:35.25 | Gathond | levander: most likely they have put something large there, just so noone can later come ... but you said on the box it would work |
| 01:35.32 | ixion | levander, yes we realise that, but you stated that you thought it was weird the CPU requirements were so high, we are saying that the requirements are designed around windows |
| 01:35.33 | cappiz | someone here tried to install vmware in debian? |
| 01:35.33 | Arafangion | Draconicus: I just hope that the next series is better. |
| 01:35.39 | ixion | cappiz, yes |
| 01:35.40 | peterS | Draconicus: the latter outputs a really hairy and ugly format, though |
| 01:35.43 | jim | unfortunately not... there was no automatic way of configuring isa cards until isapnp came along |
| 01:35.44 | ixion | cappiz, whats the problem ? |
| 01:36.10 | FieldySnuts | and even that sucks |
| 01:36.11 | jim | so you could list isa devices that did pnp using pnpdump | less |
| 01:36.13 | levander | okay, hope I didn't miss anybody, the comments were coming fast and furious, and I was trying to keep up. |
| 01:36.27 | peterS | jim: fortunately (?), devices newer than Windows 95 are pretty much all isapnp |
| 01:36.36 | levander | Does anybody know if graveman or gnomebaker shows some kind of indicator of the buffer? |
| 01:36.39 | cappiz | ixion i get this error: Bridged networking on /dev/vmnet0 failed |
| 01:36.49 | cappiz | it doesnt seem to be abel to start it |
| 01:36.49 | bucky | jim, those were the good old days :) and hardware modems |
| 01:37.02 | ixion | cappiz, hmm I've never had that problem |
| 01:37.07 | Draconicus | Okay, I'm getting REALLY pissed off with the lack of an easy scroll buffer. How the fuck do I scroll back in ircii? The heat is getting to me, here. |
| 01:37.17 | jim | you can (and should) still get hardware modems, just get an external |
| 01:37.21 | ixion | cappiz, what weird things have you done to your networking prior to installing vmware |
| 01:37.23 | peterS | Draconicus: dunno but in irssi you just hit pgup |
| 01:37.28 | ixion | cappiz, and, how did you install vmware |
| 01:37.30 | peterS | Draconicus: irssi is the one true client |
| 01:37.42 | Draconicus | I should have installed that instead. |
| 01:37.44 | technos | Draconicus: If it really pisses you off, put it in a screen session. Screen will supply it's own emulated buffer. |
| 01:37.46 | Draconicus | drat. |
| 01:37.50 | peterS | Draconicus: debian package name irssi-text |
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| 01:38.03 | ixion | could someone please tell me a) what I need to add to my grub config to start without acpi support b)what I need to do with madwifi to "load" the driver, I've installed it using module assistant |
| 01:38.04 | Draconicus | Regardless, what did you recommend, for the third time? |
| 01:38.05 | peterS | technos: I bet screen won't scroll ircii though |
| 01:38.14 | Draconicus | What for listing isa contents? |
| 01:38.30 | peterS | Draconicus: lspnp from pnpbios-tools, or pnpdump from isapnptools |
| 01:38.31 | cappiz | with the installer perl file |
| 01:38.39 | technos | peterS: I seemed to recall it working when I last used ircii.. Dunno, I rarely use anything but epic. |
| 01:38.43 | peterS | Draconicus: two different protocols, they won't give the same results |
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| 01:39.16 | cappiz | ixion i got it working ONE time but i removed the installation cause i got like 8 vmnet interfaces |
| 01:39.34 | Draconicus | PETERS: Thanks for the command. And the caps are out of anger at ircii's suckage. I'll be back in a moment. |
| 01:39.43 | peterS | heh |
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| 01:43.24 | C2H5OH | good evening all |
| 01:43.32 | crazylittle | Hello C2H5OH |
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| 01:44.02 | C2H5OH | does anyone have a Pentium M 733 (Dothan-ULV 1,1GHz) and the cpufreq working right? |
| 01:44.05 | crazylittle | Sorry for needing to ask - but can anyone help me with a chroot'd bind9 problem? |
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| 01:44.28 | GlingON | i can't seem to connect to any http or ftps to download my packets after installing my minimal cd. can anyone help? |
| 01:44.38 | crazylittle | I can't get my named to stop |
| 01:44.50 | crazylittle | GlingON - do you have network connectivity working after the minimal? |
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| 01:45.02 | GlingON | how can i check that? |
| 01:45.07 | GlingON | i think thats the problem |
| 01:45.19 | C2H5OH | cheers :-P |
| 01:45.30 | ptlis | Ethanol? |
| 01:45.35 | peterS | yes |
| 01:45.36 | C2H5OH | ptlis: yes |
| 01:45.40 | peterS | grain alcohol |
| 01:45.44 | ptlis | All the cool kids use methanol. |
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| 01:45.48 | ptlis | Brain damage for the win. |
| 01:45.49 | peterS | ha |
| 01:45.54 | crazylittle | see if you can ping any servers like yahoo.com - if it works you know that dns, IP and gateway are working |
| 01:45.59 | Draconicus | Ah. Much better. A proper IRC client. |
| 01:46.02 | Draconicus | X is still being a bitch. |
| 01:46.07 | C2H5OH | ptlis: heh |
| 01:46.14 | Draconicus | I installed x-window-system-core out of desperation. There was progress, at least. |
| 01:46.22 | GlingON | how can i change my network setting? |
| 01:46.25 | Draconicus | Amazingly, x is configured for serial mouse, but the USB mouse works. |
| 01:46.32 | Draconicus | ... |
| 01:46.37 | Draconicus | Do they use the same driver? |
| 01:46.43 | levander | graveman thinks I still have my old HP CD burner on my system. But, I removed it and put a new Pioneer DVD Burner on it. Anybody know how to tell graveman I've got a new drive on my system? |
| 01:46.44 | Draconicus | ...thing? |
| 01:46.46 | ptlis | I prefer C21H30O2 though. |
| 01:46.46 | peterS | Draconicus: yeah, USB mice are supported more or less by default in Debian X |
| 01:46.51 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 01:46.57 | Draconicus | Neato, I guess. |
| 01:46.58 | Draconicus | Anyhoo... |
| 01:47.01 | peterS | Draconicus: not the same driver, no. it just loads the USB one in parallel, for convenience |
| 01:47.04 | crazylittle | GlingON - as root, ifconfig to check if it's set, nano (or vim) /etc/network/interfaces to edit settings |
| 01:47.26 | peterS | Draconicus: why it's done this way is a fit subject for great technical discussion ... which I don't want to get into on channel |
| 01:47.27 | Draconicus | peterS: convenience indeed, and woot! Tab name completion. |
| 01:47.37 | peterS | Draconicus: heh |
| 01:47.42 | Draconicus | Yes. Anyhoo. |
| 01:47.58 | Draconicus | What's the problem this time? Lemme look. At least it has graphical counterparts now. |
| 01:48.07 | peterS | Draconicus: so X starts up - it must, or you wouldn't know that the mouse works.... |
| 01:48.14 | crazylittle | can anyone help me with chroot'd bind9? I can't get the init script to stop bind |
| 01:48.22 | gentgeen__ | Im at the console on a laptop that the some of the keys just stoped working (y, t, shift, tab, backspace) |
| 01:48.29 | gentgeen__ | how can I remap the y and t keys to f11 and f12? |
| 01:48.37 | Draconicus | peterS: Yes. It starts, but I get an error in a dialog no less. |
| 01:49.03 | martman | anyone ever play with serial console for install? |
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| 01:49.08 | martman | is there away to enable in install? |
| 01:49.11 | martman | special boot floppy? |
| 01:49.14 | martman | another tatic maybe? |
| 01:49.21 | peterS | Draconicus: do tell. in an abbreviated sense. |
| 01:49.32 | Draconicus | Ah. Simple reason. I have X. ONLY X. Absolutely nothing else. No window managers, terminals, etc. |
| 01:49.58 | peterS | Draconicus: x-window-system drags in some stuff. if you know specifically what sort of environment you want, you can install more stuff. |
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| 01:50.35 | Lord-Cereburus | hi guys, installed debian woody, then changed the apt srces to sarge, downloaded kernel-image 2.4.27 and it installed fine. i made the proper ajustments to the lilo.conf(added root=current), but now the machine wont boot, i get stopped at "Cannot mount root partition" |
| 01:50.48 | Lord-Cereburus | has anyone seen this before? |
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| 01:51.27 | GlingON | whats bcast? |
| 01:51.31 | cire | I now run camE chrooted. (to /tmpcam, which is a ramdisk). I copied the files listed in "ldd /usr/bin/camE" and "dpkg -L camE" to the same directories under /tmpcam. camE starts, but brings up error "no imlib2 loader for file format". But the files are there, at the right place. Do I have to set anything in /etc?? |
| 01:51.59 | peterS | GlingON: broadcast address, you rarely need to specify it explicitly |
| 01:52.00 | Draconicus | peterS: Yeah, I did the x-window-system-core package for reasons unknown. I'll just throw in xdm, icewm, etc. icewm should be okay on a 486, right? |
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| 01:52.10 | peterS | Draconicus: I assume so, haven't tried it |
| 01:52.30 | Draconicus | Of course it should. It's like Windows 95 in appearance, but clean and functional.. and linux. |
| 01:52.41 | peterS | heh. I've heard it's small and light, just haven't used it |
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| 01:53.20 | delire | after attempting an upgrade on a testing/unstable machine i have a broken libc6, which is significant given i cannot even 'ls' ;). i've chrooted from a liveCD and copied extracted files from a fresh stable libc6 into their respective sites but still have GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2, and thus have access to very few unix utils. any suggestions? |
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| 01:53.31 | JuttaW | Is there a debian ppc channel? |
| 01:53.45 | delire | debian-ppc |
| 01:53.53 | delire | ISTR |
| 01:53.53 | peterS | I thought it was #debianppc |
| 01:54.17 | peterS | there are also #mklinux and #ppc64 |
| 01:54.21 | delire | what is the cleanest path to salvaging this installation? |
| 01:54.21 | peterS | but those aren't debian-specific |
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| 01:55.05 | peterS | delire: which files did you copy? /lib/libc-2.3.2.so and /lib/ld-linux.so.2 are the most important ones |
| 01:55.12 | Lord-Cereburus | peterS, would you happen to know a possible solution to this, well irretating delema? |
| 01:55.22 | rixth | How can I change Gstreamers settings? |
| 01:55.50 | peterS | Lord-Cereburus: like it won't boot at all, or it won't boot the new kernel? |
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| 01:55.57 | kamaraju | I am not able to install libcln3 or pi through apt-get. Are others experiencing the same problem? |
| 01:56.13 | kamaraju | I am using unstable |
| 01:56.20 | Lord-Cereburus | wont boot the new kernel, nor will lilo display a boot menu, even though i set the delay and timeout settings =\ |
| 01:56.21 | delire | peterS: yes i copied both these over |
| 01:56.31 | peterS | kamaraju: if you are using unstable you should know that lots of things will be temporarily uninstallable this month |
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| 01:56.36 | peterS | kamaraju: it's something you just have to live with |
| 01:56.48 | peterS | kamaraju: you should also be reading the debian-devel-announce mailing list, and probably debian-devel |
| 01:56.49 | rixth | peterS, yeah, why is that? |
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| 01:57.10 | peterS | rixth: everything written in C++ is going through a staged transition to being compiled with gcc 4.0 instead of gcc 3.3 |
| 01:57.21 | kamaraju | peterS: I know how unstable works. I just want to know I am not experiencing something other dont. |
| 01:57.23 | peterS | rixth: the two compilers produce incompatible output, so all libraries and all programs have to be done |
| 01:57.25 | delire | peterS: given i can do very few things, but can still wget.. would you know an URL to retrieve these two files for an i386 site? ;) |
| 01:57.32 | peterS | rixth: that is, for C++ - non-C++ apps are unaffected |
| 01:57.42 | rixth | peterS, oh okay, thanks |
| 01:57.49 | crazylittle | Can anyone help me with chroot'd bind9? I can't get the init script to stop bind |
| 01:58.07 | delire | peterS: dpkg doesn't work, nor tar, nor lynx lol |
| 01:58.12 | rixth | I decided to 'upgrade' to xorg. I've had no stability issues, if anything it's more stable |
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| 01:58.37 | jim | other than "Learning the UNIX Operating System" pub by ora, is there another bare beginning shell tutorial? on the net preferred |
| 01:58.40 | Lord-Cereburus | is there an alternate way to boot the system and edit the lilo conf, for instance boot the original kernel(dont have a boot disk, no floppy handy) |
| 01:58.42 | peterS | delire: oh so you have to get files one by one? |
| 01:58.51 | delire | peterS: sadly yes ;) |
| 01:59.13 | delire | peterS: bear in mind i cannot cd or ls here ;) |
| 01:59.13 | peterS | delire: I can let you download from me, if you trust me not to trojan the libs. switching to /msg... |
| 01:59.25 | delire | peterS: thanks.. |
| 02:00.20 | liable | jim: tldp, bash scripting for beginners |
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| 02:01.23 | llama32 | having only used KDE's printer tools, ive never done printing of raw text (dot-matrix printer), is this possible without any configuration? |
| 02:01.50 | JuttaW | hmm... debianppc has idlers only |
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| 02:02.18 | reilithion | Salutations, everyone. |
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| 02:04.40 | levander | Does xcdroast burn DVD's? |
| 02:05.36 | john | never used it.. but what are you trying to burn dvds from? |
| 02:05.49 | john | other dvds? avi/mpg? VIDEO_TS/.vob files? |
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| 02:07.03 | levander | john: trying to burn just regular data dvds |
| 02:07.17 | john | k3b is your program then :) |
| 02:07.21 | peterS | levander: 'apt-cache show xcdroast' lists a long feature set but mentions nothing about DVDs. so I'm guessing no. |
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| 02:07.55 | peterS | levander: writing CDs and writing DVDs is rather different, so if it supported the latter I think they'd mention it |
| 02:08.02 | levander | peterS: yeah, that's what I checked, I don't think it does |
| 02:08.32 | levander | trying to find an application that displays good stats on the buffer during a DVD burn, as was suggested to me in this channel a little earlier |
| 02:08.40 | findme | cd->650MB dvd-4 Gb they have to be different |
| 02:08.55 | findme | levander, k3b |
| 02:09.04 | peterS | findme: that's not why. it's because the writing process is different |
| 02:09.21 | levander | What's wierd is I'm now trying to burn 4.2 GB over a 100 Mbps network, and it's working okay. 5% so far. |
| 02:09.29 | findme | size of dick is different that is why :-) |
| 02:09.31 | levander | Is it 100 Mbps or 100 MBps? bits or bytes? |
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| 02:09.48 | levander | findme: and the structure of the disc itself is different findme |
| 02:09.49 | peterS | levander: ethernet is 10 or 100 Mbit, not Mbyte |
| 02:10.01 | findme | levander, of course dude |
| 02:10.03 | Rockret | how do I stop ssh ? |
| 02:10.09 | Rockret | (forever) |
| 02:10.19 | Rockret | I dont wanna un-installç |
| 02:10.19 | peterS | Rockret: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 02:10.28 | levander | oh well, shit, this DVD should never finish burning correctly |
| 02:10.31 | peterS | Rockret: it'll ask you if you want to run an ssh server |
| 02:10.31 | findme | Rockret, my 2 cents apt-get remove sshd |
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| 02:10.38 | peterS | findme: nope |
| 02:10.41 | levander | 16X DVD a lot faster than 100 Mbit / s |
| 02:10.58 | peterS | findme: though recently ssh was split into openssh-client and openssh-server, so you were on the right track, just wrong package name |
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| 02:11.10 | peterS | levander: yeah. 1X is something like 11 Mbit/s |
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| 02:11.25 | Rockret | nope |
| 02:11.28 | Rockret | thanks |
| 02:11.39 | levander | peterS: well, I'm 10% of the way there, maybe gnomebaker knows how to slow the DVD burner down? |
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| 02:11.52 | findme | k3b is best |
| 02:11.57 | peterS | Rockret: I forget when they changed this - but if you've got a recent enough version of ssh, you can uninstall just the server - 'apt-get remove openssh-server' |
| 02:12.23 | levander | what's with all the debugging messages people are writing to the console in their apps? gnomebaker is screaming them by on my gterm |
| 02:12.28 | Rockret | ok peterS |
| 02:12.37 | peterS | levander: or, the 16X is a lie. this is true of CD speeds - the rated speed is what you get on the outside of the disc, the inside is less than half that |
| 02:12.58 | Rockret | other question .. what is difference between inetd and standalone ? |
| 02:13.05 | Rockret | talking about ftp server |
| 02:13.06 | levander | findme: yeah, i was avoiding k3b because of the kde dependencies. But, may just say screw it and use them. I don't have a lot of memory on my box though. KDE libs will probably use a lot of my precious RAM cache |
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| 02:13.31 | cire | sorry for asking that many questions, but now camE is running in my chrooted ramdisk area, lsof | grep camE returns only opened files on my ramdisk, but disk is still spinned up when running camE (everytime an image is uploaded). Why is it still accessing the harddisk, it is chrooted to a ramdisk? |
| 02:13.31 | peterS | Rockret: with inetd you just have one process listening for network connections on behalf of lots of apps. then it starts up a server when someone connects. standalone, the server is always running, listening for its *own* connections |
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| 02:13.45 | levander | peterS: it's can't be that much of a lie, 16 * 1350 KBps vs. 100Mb/s is a helluva lie |
| 02:13.45 | peterS | Rockret: for an FTP server, you're probably better off with inetd. but it doesn't matter much either way |
| 02:13.52 | GlingON | help! |
| 02:13.54 | peterS | levander: true |
| 02:14.02 | JuttaW | isa growisofs and cdrecord that what I need still for sarge when burning CDs or DVDs? |
| 02:14.07 | Lord-Cereburus | peterS: solved it :D ran the install again and just reinstalled the kernel, then reinstalled 2.4.27 and its working now :) |
| 02:14.14 | levander | i'm gonna getta smoke. Watch it fail when I'm not sitting here watching it. That's what it usually does. |
| 02:14.36 | Rockret | peterS, thanks |
| 02:14.40 | GlingON | so my ethernet card works (i can ping myself) but i cna't ping the router or other pcs on the network. i have my interfaces file set. what am i to do? |
| 02:14.41 | peterS | levander: I'm just saying ... a 52x CD writer will write at about 21x on the inside of the media |
| 02:14.55 | peterS | Lord-Cereburus: oh, good to know |
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| 02:16.26 | blitx | Marco |
| 02:16.48 | JuttaW | no answer to my simple yes/no question? |
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| 02:17.33 | peterS | JuttaW: apparently growisofs does DVDs, and cdrecord has always done CDs. I don't have a DVD writer so that's all I know about them |
| 02:17.48 | peterS | JuttaW: k3b is said to be the nicest frontend for these things, even if it does use Qt |
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| 02:18.41 | JuttaW | it is x. I am wrinting on shell normally. But you have already answered my question, thanks. I can use my old scripts then |
| 02:18.48 | levander | peterS: only reason I'm not using k3b is because I already run low on memory sometimes. Have an opinion of how much of a memory curse using something that depends on kde is going to be to me? |
| 02:18.48 | technos | GlingON: Pinging yourself doesn't mean it works.. Your hostname resloves as localhost, which always works. :) |
| 02:18.56 | levander | peterS: I have 512 MB RAM |
| 02:18.58 | shimano55 | Question, How can I make a webserver on Debian Linux? I have it set-up so I can store my work at http://127.0.0.1, but how can I make it to an IP that others can visit? |
| 02:19.03 | JoeTehN00b | I just ran memTest...and I have a lot of errors. Does this mean my ddr is bad, or does it also test video memory too? |
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| 02:19.23 | peterS | levander: 512 MB is not what I'd call memory-tight. nevertheless, I haven't tried k3b or basically any other KDE apps, so I can't give you a reasonable answer |
| 02:19.25 | Arafangion | JoeTehN00b: Most likely your ddr. |
| 02:19.47 | technos | JoeTehN00b: memtst86 doesn't test video ram, no. |
| 02:19.49 | JoeTehN00b | Also, it only started after about 260 MB, well there errors say that and they're going up from there. Perhaps only one of the sticks is bad? |
| 02:20.23 | levander | peterS: 512MB is memory tight when you're not only using it as a desktop with emacs/Firefox/Thunderbird but also as a server with apache/mysql/infrequently used imap mail-server/fetchmail |
| 02:20.25 | liable | JoeTehN00b: one way to find out.. |
| 02:20.32 | WaruiInu | something really weird happened a few time ago. A machine with 2.6.12.3 crashed after i type netstat -talln |grep something |
| 02:20.41 | levander | peterS: It runs, just sometimes it starts swapping and gets real slow. |
| 02:20.43 | JoeTehN00b | Righto, I guess I should just stop the test since I'm going upwards of 700000 errors now. |
| 02:20.47 | technos | JoeTehN00b: Pull the stick in bank 1 and run it again. If the errors cease, that stick was bad. If they don't cease, put bank one into bank 0 and rerun. If they don't cease then, both sticks are bad |
| 02:21.05 | WaruiInu | i can't see right now what error gaves, but do you got a similar situation? |
| 02:21.08 | JuttaW | 25 packages for k3B - seems that is not, what I want. |
| 02:21.13 | JoeTehN00b | Thankyou. |
| 02:21.16 | peterS | levander: yeah, I do basically the same except s/firefox, thunderbird/galeon/ and skip the mysql |
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| 02:21.25 | WaruiInu | it is sid |
| 02:21.40 | levander | peterS: how much RAM you got? |
| 02:21.50 | JuttaW | it installs KDE |
| 02:21.56 | peterS | oh and s/emacs/x&/ |
| 02:21.56 | peterS | also on 512 MB |
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| 02:22.19 | levander | peterS: subsitute emacs with what? |
| 02:22.19 | technos | I think you're running into a fear of swap! Swap is your friend! |
| 02:22.31 | technos | Let some useless junk get swapped out already! |
| 02:22.32 | levander | technos: not when I have to wait on it |
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| 02:22.38 | peterS | levander: & in a regex replacement means 'the text that matched'. in sed anyway. |
| 02:22.58 | levander | peterS: ah, xemacs, probably about the same memory usage, i would guess |
| 02:23.13 | levander | peterS: galeon is pretty close the firefox and thunderbird feature wise? |
| 02:23.30 | peterS | levander: I haven't used firefox in a long time, and I never did desire a gui mail client |
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| 02:24.22 | levander | peterS: yeah, i gotta start using emacs for mail. Just haven't gotten around to it. |
| 02:24.35 | asg | !start an mua war |
| 02:24.35 | dpkg | elm rules |
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| 02:25.04 | peterS | levander: oh, I used to use emacs for mail, the 'vm' package specifically, but its really long startup times opening large folders eventually got to me |
| 02:25.17 | Vlat- | levander: VI !!!! |
| 02:25.25 | peterS | levander: took me awhile to get used to mutt and using a *different* program for editing mail as for looking at it, but I survived |
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| 02:25.35 | recall | peterS, why do you use Galeon over Firefox? |
| 02:25.36 | technos | dpkg needs a new mua war script.. Supporting elm is a position untenable even for a bot. |
| 02:25.37 | dpkg | technos: that's too long |
| 02:25.47 | asg | technos: feel free to change it |
| 02:25.57 | peterS | recall: inertia. I have no idea what firefox is like now but last I used it, one or two name changes ago, it sucked |
| 02:26.26 | peterS | recall: I don't remember if I last used it in the Mozilla Firebird days, or the Phoenix days |
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| 02:26.46 | recall | peterS, well, I thought they were both very similar |
| 02:27.03 | peterS | recall: apparently firefox has improved somewhat in the past 3 years, but I don't have any firsthand knowledge of this |
| 02:27.13 | technos | asg: Meh. I have a certain level of apathy I need to live up to. |
| 02:27.51 | GlingGling | my ethernet card isn't connecting to my network after being detected in the minimal cd install. can someone help? |
| 02:27.54 | JuttaW | peterS: I have tried only FF for OSX yet, but that is fine - especially for web developers |
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| 02:28.09 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 02:28.25 | este | hey i have a question i'm currently using a flat monitor, it works, fine on terminals but when i want to used it with the X, it doesn't worked at all, |
| 02:28.28 | este | any ideas? |
| 02:28.39 | asg | !drxx este |
| 02:28.40 | dpkg | este: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:28.53 | Anders | is there any program for Linux (preferablly GTK) for making diagrams |
| 02:28.55 | Anders | like ms visio |
| 02:28.58 | asg | Anders: dia |
| 02:29.03 | este | i did that already asac |
| 02:29.05 | este | *asg |
| 02:29.13 | Anders | asg, gtk? |
| 02:29.20 | nvz_ | do it right this time ;) |
| 02:29.22 | emag | Anders: dia? |
| 02:29.22 | asg | Anders: yes |
| 02:29.26 | Anders | asg, great |
| 02:29.27 | technos | Anders: There's also one included in OO I think. |
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| 02:29.35 | Anders | hmm i can install that too |
| 02:29.41 | Anders | however i dont like OO, i think it's slow |
| 02:29.53 | este | asg is there something i should do? |
| 02:29.58 | este | because i really want to used, it |
| 02:30.02 | technos | Anders: Yup. It's slow. But eh. It works. |
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| 02:30.07 | peterS | Anders: there are several. http://lwn.net/Articles/83163/ and http://lwn.net/Articles/84238/ |
| 02:30.14 | asg | este: well, picking the right card and monitor frequency is a start. Did you do this? |
| 02:30.16 | este | is there any howtwo with flat panels? |
| 02:30.19 | technos | Demonishi: Mew? |
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| 02:30.22 | JuttaW | este: Did you look into the x logfile? |
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| 02:30.28 | Anders | technos, i refuse to use it, i use abiword for word processing, gnumeric for spreadsheets ;) |
| 02:30.30 | peterS | Anders: those articles are a bit old but they give a great idea of what's available |
| 02:30.38 | Anders | peterS, great |
| 02:30.39 | este | asg the monitor is working, fine on the terminal but when i do gdm it doesn't worked |
| 02:30.42 | leminhteo | i use apt-get install apache but i cant install it |
| 02:30.49 | asg | este: in what *way* does it not work? |
| 02:30.59 | asg | leminhteo: what error do you get? |
| 02:31.13 | este | asg i can't see the graphics on gdm, but on terminal i can see the terminal and i can write commands |
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| 02:31.25 | leminhteo | asg i dont remember |
| 02:31.44 | GlingGling | why isn't my ethernet card working after being detect during install? |
| 02:31.56 | nvz | last I used abiword it was a terrible pita had lots of issues.. I found other programs to use never looked back |
| 02:32.03 | asg | este: is the screen blank? Does X return with some error? What does /var/log/XF*0.log say? how about ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 02:32.04 | JuttaW | este: so you can use y but the screen is not well? |
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| 02:32.22 | asg | leminhteo: you are going to have to do better than that |
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| 02:32.45 | leminhteo | asg what do i need to config sources.list |
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| 02:32.53 | asg | leminhteo: apt-setup |
| 02:32.56 | este | JuttaW the screen works fine with the terminal on the ctrl+alt1 but when i do this alt7 it doesn't do anything |
| 02:33.06 | leminhteo | i set up apt |
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| 02:33.11 | JuttaW | so the consoles work |
| 02:33.19 | este | yes |
| 02:33.20 | este | fine |
| 02:33.20 | palius | how can i install a file.tar.gz?! |
| 02:33.25 | leminhteo | i think it is a problem at my link |
| 02:33.34 | este | palius tar zxvf file.tar.gz and then read the INSTALL or README |
| 02:33.37 | leminhteo | what link can give me apache |
| 02:33.41 | asg | leminhteo: if you can't paste the error that 'apt-get install apache' gave (provided it is less than 4 lines), we can't help. |
| 02:33.50 | palius | este thnx |
| 02:33.52 | leminhteo | ok |
| 02:33.52 | JuttaW | este: Then look into that logs as asg said |
| 02:33.55 | este | np |
| 02:33.59 | este | ok, |
| 02:34.05 | wardrich | is there a chance that somebody could help me get my debian repos working? For somre reason, they get to 99% and just hang. I'm even using somebody elses sources.list file that *should* work, but it still doesn't. |
| 02:34.06 | este | i will, is something going on with the resolution |
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| 02:34.10 | asg | leminhteo: if it's more than 3 lines, /msg dpkg paster |
| 02:34.17 | leminhteo | este how can i copy it |
| 02:34.29 | leminhteo | este i dont know |
| 02:34.32 | Warp4 | !tell warp4 about gtk+-dev |
| 02:34.38 | Warp4 | bah |
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| 02:35.24 | palius | este: doesn't work tar zvxf |
| 02:35.37 | asg | GlingGling: it's possible that the module used by your card was not inserted into /etc/modules, therefore not being loaded at boot. |
| 02:35.44 | ajs` | hi, quick question here. what is the command to select what kind of system you want install (i.e. workstation, fileserver..) |
| 02:35.53 | asg | ajs`: tasksel |
| 02:35.57 | ajs` | thanks alot! |
| 02:36.23 | JuttaW | este: Did you find errors or Warnings (EE or WW)? |
| 02:36.35 | nvz | well my reflex time is slower than asg's right now, so I am going to just proceed with getting drunk and watch :P |
| 02:36.40 | GlingGling | asg, how do i check on that and/or fix it? |
| 02:36.56 | asg | nvz: what makes you think I haven't been in the barrel this evening? :) |
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| 02:37.00 | nvz | answering the questions before I even finish reading them |
| 02:37.03 | peterS | nvz: too bad C2H5OH left, he could have provided you with some free C2H5OH |
| 02:37.19 | nvz | whatever that is |
| 02:37.25 | peterS | nvz: ethanol |
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| 02:37.37 | matsur | Hi all, just installed debian but did not get dhcp working w/ the installer, s I skipped that step |
| 02:37.47 | asg | GlingGling: well, first look in /etc/modules. If the modules for your card isn't in there. That's a good sign. If you don't know *which* module you need, we can probably help you figure it out. |
| 02:37.48 | matsur | no how do I get dhcp working properly? |
| 02:37.53 | nvz | trying to kill me, peterS? |
| 02:38.07 | peterS | nvz: nah, I'd methanol |
| 02:38.16 | peterS | nvz: I'd have said methanol, even |
| 02:38.19 | GlingGling | dig it |
| 02:38.31 | asg | peterS: nitros (Sangamon's Principle) |
| 02:38.39 | peterS | matsur: I think you can run 'etherconf' |
| 02:38.49 | ajs` | wow, unstable seems to be pretty broken |
| 02:38.57 | peterS | ajs`: yes. |
| 02:39.03 | ajs` | anyway to downgrade to testing? |
| 02:39.04 | asg | ajs`: yes, all kinds of pointy bits |
| 02:39.08 | ajs` | or should i reinstall? |
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| 02:39.15 | ajs` | i just did a new install to unstable |
| 02:39.19 | asg | ajs`: reinstall is less painful and guaranteed to work. |
| 02:39.24 | ajs` | alright |
| 02:39.26 | ajs` | thanks for the tip |
| 02:39.29 | peterS | ajs`: if you just did a new install, simplest to just reinstall, yeah |
| 02:40.16 | leminhteo | how can i install apache with dselect |
| 02:40.35 | peterS | same way you install anything with dselect |
| 02:40.54 | peterS | nothing particularly special about the apache package in that regard |
| 02:40.58 | asg | leminhteo: if 'apt-get install apache' doesn't work, anything you do with dselect won't either. |
| 02:41.24 | matsur | peterS, etherconf is not a command on my system? |
| 02:41.27 | leminhteo | ok thank asg |
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| 02:41.50 | Draconicus | Thanks for all the advice, by the way. All set now. |
| 02:42.05 | leminhteo | if i have apache package in usb |
| 02:42.06 | peterS | matsur: in that case, try this. edit /etc/network/interfaces to say "auto lo eth0" and "iface lo inet loopback" and "inet eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 02:42.16 | leminhteo | how can i install it |
| 02:42.18 | peterS | matsur: those 3 lines oughtta do it |
| 02:42.25 | asg | leminhteo: dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 02:42.26 | matsur | OK, thanks, will try! |
| 02:42.37 | asg | leminhteo: you need the dependancies though |
| 02:42.54 | peterS | matsur: also you'll need to ensure that your network driver is loading, which may or may not have been taken care of already |
| 02:42.58 | GlingGling | how to i get shit to break by page? |
| 02:43.07 | asg | GlingGling: foo | pager |
| 02:43.09 | GlingGling | also i cna't seem to open the modules folder |
| 02:43.11 | peterS | matsur: if 'ifconfig eth0' gives you data, you're fine. if not, we can help |
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| 02:43.25 | asg | GlingGling: it's a file, not a folder ( pager /etc/modules) |
| 02:43.28 | matsur | it's working, because I can get a lease w/ dhclient manually |
| 02:43.34 | peterS | good, good |
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| 02:43.40 | GlingGling | odg |
| 02:43.43 | GlingGling | dig |
| 02:43.54 | JuttaW | leminhteo: Why don't you just install from the net? |
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| 02:44.08 | GlingGling | ok so my eth0 isn't in my modules |
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| 02:44.27 | GlingGling | what do i do to get it in there? |
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| 02:44.59 | peterS | GlingGling: do you know what kind of network card or chip you have? |
| 02:45.08 | peterS | GlingGling: if not, run 'lspci | grep Ethernet' and tell us what it claims to be |
| 02:45.10 | GlingGling | yeah yukon |
| 02:45.17 | GlingGling | marvell |
| 02:45.23 | elmagozizou | hi...Does anyone knows a repositorie where I can find Nvidia modules, drivers and settings? |
| 02:45.44 | Rockret | how do I stop proftpd standalone ? |
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| 02:45.58 | peterS | GlingGling: I'm thinking that's the "sk98lin" driver |
| 02:46.03 | peterS | GlingGling: try it: modprobe sk98lin |
| 02:46.04 | keikoz | elmagozizou the most simple ... just the nvidia driver on their website |
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| 02:46.09 | peterS | GlingGling: and then 'ifconfig eth0' to see if it showed up |
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| 02:46.29 | keikoz | the sk98lin module is broken |
| 02:46.36 | keikoz | need to patch it |
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| 02:46.54 | peterS | is it? I have no idea |
| 02:46.58 | keikoz | (sorry to build a module or patch the kernel) |
| 02:46.58 | Rockret | proftpd stop ? |
| 02:47.02 | JuttaW | Rockret: "stop standalone"? |
| 02:47.04 | keikoz | yes i had problems with it |
| 02:47.23 | Rockret | JuttaW, well but how ? |
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| 02:47.27 | technos | Rockret: /etc/init.d/proftpd stop ? |
| 02:47.28 | GlingGling | so just type modprobe sk98lin into the modules? |
| 02:47.32 | keikoz | in fact the kernel developers let a bug in the module cause of i dont what strange reason |
| 02:47.34 | Rockret | I am gnome (x) |
| 02:47.37 | peterS | GlingGling: no try it at the command line, and see if it works |
| 02:47.40 | Rockret | let me try |
| 02:47.46 | peterS | GlingGling: if it does, *then* you add "sk98lin" to /etc/modules |
| 02:47.59 | keikoz | you need to download the sources for the module on the website of (i dont remember) |
| 02:48.05 | Rockret | :))) |
| 02:48.06 | JuttaW | Rockret: use sudo then |
| 02:48.09 | GlingGling | no adapter found. |
| 02:48.15 | peterS | GlingGling: but keikoz reports that the module doesn't work too well as-is, so good luck |
| 02:48.16 | keikoz | marvell |
| 02:48.23 | Rockret | sucess .. thanks |
| 02:48.37 | GlingGling | so find a patch for it. |
| 02:48.39 | GlingGling | ? |
| 02:48.47 | keikoz | if it doesnt works, an error appears on the dmesg anyway |
| 02:48.57 | keikoz | style eth? = error |
| 02:49.13 | matsur | peterS, now when I run ifconfig eth0 isn't showing up at all? |
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| 02:49.32 | peterS | matsur: you said you could get a lease with dhclient |
| 02:49.38 | peterS | matsur: if that's true, ifconfig eth0 should know about it |
| 02:49.45 | keikoz | a typical pbl of the broken module, is that you can't rmmod it |
| 02:50.28 | matsur | I have to run dhclient by hand after booting (ifconfig shows the interface after dhclient) |
| 02:50.41 | Warp4 | AARGH! |
| 02:50.56 | asg | no aaaargh (in the back of the throat) |
| 02:50.58 | peterS | matsur: so the module is being loaded automatically in some way |
| 02:51.12 | peterS | matsur: do you know what module it is? you might improve general reliability by just putting its name in /etc/modules |
| 02:51.20 | Warp4 | anyone know if the packages.debian.org site is incomplete. |
| 02:51.21 | Warp4 | ? |
| 02:51.21 | FabParma | does exist a GUI tool to encrypt whole partitions? |
| 02:51.34 | spoopin | asg: Isn't there a Castle Aaaarrghh in Cornwall? |
| 02:51.34 | peterS | Warp4: yes, it's out of date. this is known. |
| 02:51.37 | Warp4 | i am trying once again to find the gtk+ and x11 dev stuff. |
| 02:51.51 | asg | spoopin: hah |
| 02:51.55 | asg | spoopin: how's it going? |
| 02:52.02 | Warp4 | peterS, obviously that wasn't known by me until now :) |
| 02:52.06 | spoopin | asg: alright... watchin TV |
| 02:52.24 | peterS | Warp4: right, I found out a day or two ago (: when a permanent home is found for the ftp-master machine, they'll reenable the update script for packages.debian.org |
| 02:52.28 | matsur | peterS, sorry, very new to debian, what do you mean by module? the nic is an nforce4 |
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| 02:52.46 | asg | Warp4: libgtk2.0-dev - Development files for the GTK+ library |
| 02:52.51 | peterS | matsur: so the kernel module is 'forcedeth', I guess. put a line "forcedeth" in /etc/modules |
| 02:52.56 | Warp4 | asg, thank you for being so kind :) |
| 02:52.59 | keikoz | a module is a driver, not build directly into the kernel |
| 02:53.03 | asg | spoopin: anything good on, besides the constant quest for the dead chick in Aruba? |
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| 02:53.15 | spoopin | asg: Monk :) |
| 02:53.21 | asg | spoopin: ah, I forgot |
| 02:53.36 | spoopin | asg: it's on again in an hour |
| 02:53.45 | asg | spoopin: ah, cool. I might be up for it. |
| 02:53.49 | JuttaW | Warp: you can uase apt-cache for searching |
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| 02:54.13 | spoopin | asg: quite. It's a pretty good one, too |
| 02:54.39 | GlingGling | what are my options for getting the ethernet module loaded? i tried to do "modprobe sk98lin" and it errored but someone said that sk98lin is broke anyway |
| 02:54.43 | asg | spoopin: cool. |
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| 02:54.56 | MinhTuyen | hi help me, please |
| 02:55.13 | asg | MinhTuyen: we need a bit more than that, our mind reading caps are in the shop. |
| 02:55.14 | MinhTuyen | in debian, haven't x-windows? |
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| 02:55.31 | asg | MinhTuyen: install x-window-system |
| 02:55.52 | MinhTuyen | i have debian 3.1, 14 disk |
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| 02:55.59 | Acerimusdux | Minh - is it installed and not running? (not configured properly) |
| 02:56.02 | asg | MinhTuyen: if you want gnome or kde, /msg dpkg install gnome, /msg dpkg install kde |
| 02:56.23 | matsur | peterS, the interface is still not sorting itself out at boot |
| 02:56.28 | MinhTuyen | but while install, i don't choice install x-window |
| 02:56.50 | asg | !tell MinhTuyen about set up x |
| 02:56.52 | peterS | matsur: maybe nforce4 is not the 'forcedeth' driver then. I don't have one, I don't know these things for sure |
| 02:57.09 | Acerimusdux | Minh - did you get the base system installed - where you get a command prompt? |
| 02:57.11 | MinhTuyen | asg help me, |
| 02:57.15 | liable | MinhTuyen: run tasksel, choose desktop environment |
| 02:57.18 | matsur | OK, I appreciate the help tough. Where can I look this sort of stuff up? |
| 02:57.25 | asg | MinhTuyen: read the information you were just told. |
| 02:57.40 | MinhTuyen | i installed text |
| 02:57.59 | peterS | matsur: first - what kernel version? 'uname -r'. second, what's the chip ID? lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}' |
| 02:58.01 | Acerimusdux | Minh - do you have an internet connection working? |
| 02:58.12 | MinhTuyen | no Acerimusdux |
| 02:58.23 | asg | hmmm, no #debian-vn |
| 02:58.28 | peterS | matsur: the chip ID will let me look up the driver and see if I was right about which one supports it |
| 02:59.13 | MinhTuyen | what asg |
| 02:59.20 | peterS | matsur: the chip ID will probably be some 10de:xxxx. tell me that and the kernel version from 'uname -r' |
| 02:59.28 | matsur | peterS: uname -r: 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
| 03:00.04 | Acerimusdux | Minh - if you have a working modem or ethernet internet connection you can get set up, you could install the rest of what you want over the internet |
| 03:00.18 | asg | MinhTuyen: type 'apt-get install x-window-system gnome' (it will install X and an environment that is popular among some people.) |
| 03:00.34 | peterS | matsur: and the chip? lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}' |
| 03:00.42 | MinhTuyen | oke thanks asg |
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| 03:01.45 | matsur | peterS: that gives no output |
| 03:02.10 | peterS | matsur: no kidding? does "lspci | grep Ethernet" show anything? |
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| 03:02.17 | eka | hi all |
| 03:02.23 | eka | how can i fix this Error: mod_caucho.so does not have a corresponding .info file |
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| 03:04.16 | asg | eka: wtf is mod_caucho.so? did you 'apt-get install' it? |
| 03:04.17 | matsur | peterS: no output for that either |
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| 03:04.50 | peterS | matsur: so, the kernel can't even see your network chip at all. either it is setting up the PCI bridges wrong, or your BIOS is hiding the ethernet (if you have it disabled, for example). |
| 03:05.15 | matsur | dmesg | grep eth0 seems to show that the ieee1394 interface is being used for eth0??? |
| 03:05.28 | Warp4 | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 03:05.28 | Warp4 | For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. |
| 03:05.28 | Warp4 | robert@uhura:~/ktorrent-1.0$ |
| 03:05.29 | asg | matsur: try eth1 then |
| 03:05.32 | Warp4 | AAAH! |
| 03:05.36 | asg | Warp4: /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
| 03:05.42 | eka | asg: nope |
| 03:05.47 | Warp4 | asg, thanks :) |
| 03:06.02 | mwilson | Sure, why not? You can run TCP/IP over firewire. |
| 03:06.05 | asg | eka: then what non-debian process is causing this error? |
| 03:06.07 | peterS | asg: yeah but if he can't even see the nforce chip in lspci I don't think it'll work |
| 03:06.18 | eka | asg: its an apt-get install error |
| 03:06.18 | asg | peterS: true |
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| 03:06.30 | beat- | hello |
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| 03:06.46 | asg | eka: then paste the error if it less than 4 lines or use our paster bot (/msg dpkg paster) if it is more than 3 |
| 03:06.47 | matsur | peterS: eth1: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 0147b:1c0e bound to 0000:00:0a.0 |
| 03:06.57 | Rockret | strange ... I made "athlon:/home/cmeks# /etc/init.d/proftpd stop |
| 03:06.59 | matsur | that's dmesg | grep eth1 |
| 03:07.01 | Rockret | Stopping ProFTPD ftp daemon: . |
| 03:07.01 | Rockret | athlon:/home/cmeks# |
| 03:07.01 | Rockret | " |
| 03:07.09 | Rockret | but proftpd .. do not stop |
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| 03:07.19 | GlingGling | I got my ethernet working by adding forcedeth to etc/modules |
| 03:07.22 | peterS | matsur: interesting that lspci doesn't see it then. so. does 'ifconfig eth1' show anything? |
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| 03:07.58 | GlingGling | Now i'd like to continue with my installation |
| 03:08.08 | Rockret | who use proftpd here ? |
| 03:08.12 | GlingGling | how do i start to install packages? |
| 03:08.12 | matsur | peterS: yes, but no IPs |
| 03:08.28 | peterS | matsur: right. so, in /etc/network/interfaces change the two occurrences of eth0 to eth1 |
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| 03:09.06 | beat- | what do i need to download to install debian? because there are 14 isos :S |
| 03:09.10 | peterS | matsur: that, or rearrange /etc/modules to put forcedeth ahead of eth1394 |
| 03:09.42 | peterS | matsur: (so it'll be eth0) |
| 03:09.42 | spoopin | Rockret: are you sure ProFTPd isn't running from inetd? |
| 03:09.53 | asg | beat-: it depends. A few floppies or a small net install disc are sufficient for people with supported networking hardware and a decent connection / patience. |
| 03:09.57 | oauto | beat-: grab a netinst cd |
| 03:10.16 | mwilson | beat-: There's a reason not to read the installation guide? |
| 03:10.21 | Acerimusdux | eka: if you want to see what that file is from you could try dpkg -S mod_caucho.so |
| 03:10.52 | Rockret | spoopin, like standalone |
| 03:10.56 | GlingGling | at some point in the install I saw a screen that was going to allow me to download packages via a certain protocol, but that was with the CD, is there a way to run that again from the command prompt? |
| 03:11.14 | nevyn | GlingGling: apt-setup |
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| 03:11.21 | Rockret | ServerName"Debian" |
| 03:11.23 | Rockret | ServerTypestandalone |
| 03:11.23 | Rockret | DeferWelcomeoff |
| 03:11.34 | Acerimusdux | Gling-Gling - if you have a working internet connection now, try running aptitude (if it's installed) |
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| 03:11.46 | Rockret | do I need reboot .. after change proftpd.conf? |
| 03:11.49 | JuttaW | Rockret: How was it started, was the quesion |
| 03:11.53 | GlingGling | i think it is, thanks |
| 03:11.53 | asg | Rockret: no |
| 03:12.10 | spoopin | Rockret: you said that it won't stop? |
| 03:12.16 | Acerimusdux | Gling - you may need to edit a file first /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:12.17 | Rockret | I want to stop when no ncessary |
| 03:12.24 | asg | gleep! |
| 03:12.26 | Rockret | and run when necessary |
| 03:12.35 | Rockret | because use port 21 |
| 03:12.36 | matsur | peterS: same situation as before, and no mention of 1394 in /etc/modules |
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| 03:12.54 | peterS | matsur: so after a fresh boot, with forcedeth in /etc/modules, eth1394 still manages to load first? |
| 03:13.05 | matsur | yeah |
| 03:13.06 | Rockret | when I make: /etc/init.d/proftpd stop |
| 03:13.15 | matsur | there is no eth1394 in modules |
| 03:13.17 | Rockret | continue .. running |
| 03:13.18 | peterS | matsur: is that what you're telling me? because that's hard to believe - stuff in /etc/modules should load before stuff that isn't |
| 03:13.25 | mwilson | Rockret: That's not what you were asked, now is it? |
| 03:13.27 | Warp4 | hrmmm no "compile X11 stuff" in dpkg |
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| 03:14.01 | Rockret | I want stop ftp server |
| 03:14.03 | Rockret | how to do ? |
| 03:14.10 | matsur | peterS: i have ide-cd, ide-disk, psmouse sbp2, sd_mod, sr_mod and forcedeth in that order in modules |
| 03:14.18 | Acerimusdux | matsur - there could be something else that has a module dependency causing eth1394 to load even if it isn't explicitly listed |
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| 03:14.23 | Guerin | !blacklist |
| 03:14.23 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 03:14.28 | Guerin | matsur: ^^^ |
| 03:14.33 | Rockret | terminal like root .. /etc/init.d/proftpd stop |
| 03:14.34 | peterS | Acerimusdux: possible but unlikely |
| 03:14.36 | Rockret | right ? |
| 03:14.37 | JuttaW | Rockret: how was it started? |
| 03:14.39 | GlingGling | Acerimusdux: what do I need to change in that file sources.list? |
| 03:14.56 | Rockret | I dont know .. after install via apt-get |
| 03:15.01 | mwilson | Rockret: You've been asked twice whether you're running it as a daemon, or from inetd. |
| 03:15.01 | mrwill | Rockret: just kill the process if the init.d script won't work. |
| 03:15.03 | spoopin | Rockret: Rockret: how do you know that it's running? |
| 03:15.09 | Rockret | yes |
| 03:15.21 | Rockret | I select standalone |
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| 03:15.41 | Warp4 | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 03:15.41 | Warp4 | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 03:15.41 | Warp4 | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 03:15.44 | matsur | peterS: running dhclient and then ifconfig eth1 makes everything right in the universe |
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| 03:15.48 | Rockret | because I can acesss via ftp client |
| 03:15.51 | Warp4 | ugh, just when i get one problem licked, i get another :( |
| 03:15.55 | spoopin | Rockret: does it show up in a process listing? |
| 03:15.57 | matsur | but it's wiped away on reboot |
| 03:16.11 | Gibson | Ok guys I'm in need of help with amarok. |
| 03:16.14 | Rockret | what command to see ? |
| 03:16.18 | Acerimusdux | Gling - if there's a line there that says: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib |
| 03:16.19 | spoopin | Rockret: man ps |
| 03:16.20 | Rockret | process listing |
| 03:16.23 | Acerimusdux | then your're set |
| 03:16.28 | Rockret | ok |
| 03:16.32 | peterS | wait a minute. this is the same Rockret who asked which ftpd to try and I said vsftpd so now he's using proftpd? |
| 03:16.32 | Rockret | let me see |
| 03:17.01 | spoopin | peterS: I can't say that it would surpirse me if it were |
| 03:17.04 | Rockret | yes I am using proftpd |
| 03:17.16 | Rockret | more easy .. than vsftpd |
| 03:17.46 | peterS | matsur: so, I guess you can just change eth0 to eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces. it still bothers me that eth1394 is loading earlier, but whatever. |
| 03:17.50 | Gibson | How do I get amarok to play audio cd's using the xine engine?? |
| 03:18.07 | peterS | matsur: that is, 'auto lo eth1' as well as 'iface eth1 inet dhcp' |
| 03:18.30 | beat- | does anyone know if while netinstalling debian i can download from a portuguese mirror? |
| 03:18.42 | Guerin | beat-: apt-setup knows |
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| 03:19.01 | JuttaW | Rockret: ist it run by inetd? |
| 03:19.03 | peterS | beat-: there is a ftp.es.debian.org - close enough? |
| 03:19.25 | beat- | well my isp filters national traffic from international traffic |
| 03:19.33 | Rockret | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.33 | ttick | why the heck does debian install with 'mawk' of all god-awful things. |
| 03:19.39 | beat- | and my international traffic quota is only 2 Gb |
| 03:19.40 | peterS | beat-: there is no ftp.pt.debian.org so perhaps you can't then |
| 03:19.44 | mwilson | ttick: Why shouldn't it? |
| 03:19.48 | beat- | :( |
| 03:19.54 | Gibson | How do I get amarok to play audio cd's using the xine engine? |
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| 03:20.13 | ttick | mwilson: afaik, it doesn't support regex. and 'gawk' seems to be a nice GNU version of 'awk' |
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| 03:20.22 | Rockret | JuttaW, how to know if is running like inetd ? |
| 03:20.24 | mwilson | ttick: gawk is larger and non-standard and unnecessary for the uses to which the distribution puts it. |
| 03:20.32 | peterS | beat-: however - http://ftp.debian.org/README.mirrors.txt lists 5 different mirrors in .pt |
| 03:20.35 | beat- | well but there is a ftp://ftp.uevora.pt/debian/ |
| 03:20.44 | beat- | yes right |
| 03:20.48 | beat- | thats what i found what |
| 03:20.49 | ttick | mwilson: it doesn't even have a standard version: mawk -W version. Like that's standard. ugh. |
| 03:20.51 | mwilson | You *really* want to try claiming that an implementation of awk doesn't support regular expressions |
| 03:20.51 | JuttaW | Rockret; /etc/inetd.conf |
| 03:20.56 | beat- | so probably that mirrors will work on the netinst |
| 03:20.57 | beat- | right? |
| 03:21.00 | Rockret | i made "dpkg-reconfigure proftpd" |
| 03:21.15 | peterS | beat-: yes. you may have to choose "manually specify a mirror" or whatever it is called |
| 03:21.17 | Rockret | ServerName"Debian" |
| 03:21.18 | JuttaW | Think you should really reayd some docs before setting up public services |
| 03:21.19 | Rockret | ServerTypestandalone |
| 03:21.19 | Rockret | DeferWelcomeoff |
| 03:21.22 | Rockret | standalone |
| 03:21.22 | Rockret | strange |
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| 03:21.25 | matsur | peterS: that works, thanks a lot. Now the only problem is DNS is kaput as well :-) |
| 03:21.25 | Mitsui_Sam | Hi! I´ve installed mysql-server-4.1, mysql-client-4.1, mysql-common-4.1 and libmyqslclient14, but when i install php4-mysql it´s installing libmysqlclient12 that used mysql-server 4.0.20 |
| 03:21.30 | Guerin | Rockret: 1) you're fucking pasting, stop it |
| 03:21.39 | beat- | peterS thanks ;) |
| 03:21.42 | Mitsui_Sam | How can I put php4.3 and mysql4.1 to work? |
| 03:21.44 | Rockret | I think that need reboot after change |
| 03:21.45 | mwilson | ttick: Here's a hint... that's about all awk *is*, is regular expressions. |
| 03:21.48 | ttick | mwilson: well, if mawk does support regex, I've just spent 4 hrs trying everything I could think of and couldn't get it to budge. |
| 03:21.49 | Rockret | or install |
| 03:21.55 | Gibson | How do I get amarok to play audio cd's using the xine engine? |
| 03:21.59 | Guerin | Rockret: 2) if you can't figure vsftpd's extremely simple config syntax, you're too fucking stupid to run a ftpd |
| 03:22.05 | Mitsui_Sam | I´m using stable mirror source |
| 03:22.21 | Rockret | shutup Guerin .. |
| 03:22.26 | Rockret | I am not asking to you |
| 03:22.27 | Guerin | Rockret: 3) if you think you need to reboot after installing a ftpd, you're too stupid to be running unix |
| 03:22.30 | Rockret | ok ? |
| 03:22.33 | lurfagrin | Well, a new place, so might as well ask. Where is a good question to ask about dh_install* scripts and packaging? |
| 03:22.33 | ttick | mwilson: okay, then if you could please translate the egrep: "foo[[:space:]]+bar" into mawk |
| 03:22.39 | Guerin | Rockret: no, you're asking the whole channel, of which i'm a member |
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| 03:22.55 | Rockret | if i am stupid .. well you are asshole |
| 03:22.59 | Rockret | heheheh |
| 03:23.05 | asg | Guerin: making friends again I see |
| 03:23.08 | peterS | Guerin: 4 hours ago I told him "if you can't set up vsftpd you have no business running an ftp server". nice to know we agree |
| 03:23.13 | Guerin | Rockret: rather be an arsehole than stupid |
| 03:23.29 | Rockret | I dont think so |
| 03:23.31 | Kupal[] | Damn, I got booted for two weeks for less then that.. anyhow, free-radius all queries reply with access-accept anyone? |
| 03:23.32 | mwilson | ttick: No, I won't be doing that. |
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| 03:23.37 | Guerin | peterS: key = value. don't get much more simplerer than that |
| 03:23.50 | JuttaW | Rockret: you really should read some documentation before setting up public services. Then you would know, what inetd is |
| 03:24.00 | asg | Guerin: vsftpd doesn't allow spaces between key = and value |
| 03:24.04 | ttick | mwilson: because mawk can't? Or because you've got other matters to attend to? |
| 03:24.14 | Rockret | ok, JuttaW |
| 03:24.18 | peterS | JuttaW: I also told him what inetd is (: |
| 03:24.31 | mwilson | Oh, that's right... mawk doesn't support regular expressions. |
| 03:24.34 | GlingGling | how do i find my mac address in debian, I think i'm having problems with my router and my machine being static |
| 03:24.36 | Guerin | asg: geek |
| 03:24.38 | Rockret | yes I know, peterS |
| 03:24.47 | Rockret | only trying understand what is happening here |
| 03:24.51 | peterS | GlingGling: 'ifconfig -a' will show mac addresses |
| 03:24.52 | mrwill | GlingGling: ifconfig will tell you. |
| 03:25.03 | Gibson | How do I get amarok to play audio cd's using the xine engine? |
| 03:25.03 | peterS | GlingGling: or just 'ifconfig eth0' for some value of "eth0" |
| 03:25.05 | asg | Guerin: nah, I've been configuring vsftpd today ;) |
| 03:25.14 | Rockret | let me try reboot |
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| 03:25.20 | Guerin | asg: heh. I configured it once, never touched it again |
| 03:25.38 | peterS | I wish I'd known 4 hours ago what he was gonna be like |
| 03:25.52 | asg | Guerin: it's not bad once you get the hang of it. I wouldn't have to touch it except the mainframe doesn't support ssh/scp |
| 03:26.00 | peterS | I could have said "DON'T USE DEBIAN FOR AN FTP SERVER, USE UBUNTU AND THEN YOU CAN BUG #UBUNTU WITH ALL YOUR PROBLEMS" |
| 03:26.15 | ttick | mwilson: well, you've proven that the man page mentioned REGEX. I still haven't gotten it to recognize anything reasonable. Guess I'll have to read it to figure out what escape characters are needed to make it understand regex. Thanks for your help. |
| 03:26.16 | JuttaW | ;_) |
| 03:26.30 | Gumby | can anyone tell me how to increase the amount of buffer I have in a console ie: how much I can scroll back |
| 03:26.33 | Gibson | How do I get amarok to play audio cd's using the xine engine? |
| 03:26.40 | Guerin | asg: i use it to ... serve ftp, of all things! |
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| 03:26.58 | matsur | Altight, different problem now, if I try say ping nytimes.com it resolves nytimes.com but no pings are retunred. it's the same for everything except local ip's (192.168.xxx.xxx) |
| 03:27.08 | Guerin | asg: i'd use http, but i need anonymous uploads |
| 03:27.08 | Lanz | Gibson: do other Xine based programs work? |
| 03:27.11 | zcat[1] | peterS: this was the guy that wants to copy files from one machine to another but doesn't want to use nfs/scp/rsync or some other more appropriate tool, right? |
| 03:27.18 | mwilson | ttick: That would seem to be an obvious thing. Why in the world would you have supposedly spent four hours messing with it *without* having read the man page? |
| 03:27.22 | peterS | zcat[1]: oh, I don't know, is it? |
| 03:27.27 | Gibson | How do I get amarok to play audio cd's using the xine engine? |
| 03:27.29 | zcat[1] | I think it was.. |
| 03:27.31 | asg | Guerin: of course. |
| 03:27.32 | matsur | scratch that, soved on reboot |
| 03:27.41 | Lanz | Gibson: do other Xine based programs work? |
| 03:27.41 | peterS | Gumby: don't think you can, it uses the vga hardware buffer. you can run 'screen' which maintains its own buffer. |
| 03:27.46 | Acerimusdux | Gling - if your router is acting as a DHCP server (that is assigning IP addresses automatically) you may need to run a dhcp client on your debian box |
| 03:27.52 | Gibson | Yes like kaffeine. |
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| 03:28.07 | Gibson | Lanz: ya kaffeine works fine. |
| 03:28.13 | Lanz | Gibson: ok... |
| 03:28.16 | JuttaW | ouch late. bed |
| 03:28.19 | Guerin | hurrah, paytime in 30 minutes and this evil camp is over in 3.5 hours |
| 03:28.22 | JuttaW | Night! |
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| 03:28.28 | Guerin | at least one of which will be spent at the pub |
| 03:28.30 | peterS | night, jutta |
| 03:28.34 | asg | Guerin: evil camp? |
| 03:28.43 | Lanz | You guys have any idea why amarok wouldn't play audio cds for him when other xine players do??? |
| 03:28.45 | ttick | mwilson: because I was reading the "awk" man-page. And since "mawk" doesn't respond to the normal --version, I had no idea that it was "mawk" not "awk". |
| 03:28.45 | Lanz | That's odd... |
| 03:28.46 | Guerin | asg: middle skool summer of english |
| 03:28.48 | recall | amaroK doesn't play my FLAC files with the Xine engine, i'm not sure if it's always been that way or if it happened after upgrade... |
| 03:29.04 | Guerin | asg: a week of 10-14 hour days and utter chaos and mayhem |
| 03:29.09 | asg | Guerin: ah |
| 03:29.24 | mwilson | ttick: Uh, huh. Yeah, sure. Awk is controlled by alternatives. |
| 03:29.25 | recall | not that it helps your situation any, xine + amaroK can be strange. |
| 03:29.35 | Guerin | the only saving grace is that it pays well over a grand for the week, after tax and everything |
| 03:29.36 | beat- | i have a dual boot system, WindowsXP and Slackware (installed on the same disk, two differente partitions), I have lilo to choose which of the SO's to boot installed on MBR. but right now i want to install debian, If i just delete the Slackware partition and create a new one for debian and install it will windows xp still work? |
| 03:29.48 | mwilson | ttick: Where did this supposed "awk" man page come from, then? |
| 03:29.48 | asg | Guerin: not a bad take at all |
| 03:29.48 | Gibson | Recall: gstreamer engine has sound quality and buffer problems though. |
| 03:29.54 | Lanz | Gibson: try asking #amarok... |
| 03:29.54 | dj_ryan | d00d, rhel3 r0x |
| 03:29.56 | GlingGling | once I have edited source.list can I use apt-setup? |
| 03:29.57 | recall | I know. =( |
| 03:30.17 | ttick | mwilson: well, since you have more interest in being beligerant than helping, I'll say good-day to you, sir. |
| 03:30.20 | asg | spoopin: night, batteries are dying. Talk later. |
| 03:30.20 | Guerin | asg: especially when there's two of us doing it, and we have three of them in a row :) |
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| 03:30.29 | Guerin | august is bank month |
| 03:30.31 | asg | Guerin: :) |
| 03:30.32 | peterS | dj_ryan: uh. welcome to #debian. |
| 03:30.38 | dj_ryan | peterS: THANKS! |
| 03:30.39 | Guerin | asg: g'night |
| 03:30.45 | asg | Guerin: night, have fun at the pub |
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| 03:31.20 | spoopin | asg: right. later, then... |
| 03:31.25 | mwilson | ttick: <shrug> mawk is new awk. Its man page tells you so. It does not implement extensions to POSIX, like character classes. If you want that, use gawk. If you're going to claim that gawk's man page was installed, then obviously gawk's binary is as well. |
| 03:31.32 | Guerin | beat-: yeah. you'd have to tell debian not to install lilo or grub to the mbr, and copy the lilo.conf over, but it should work |
| 03:31.45 | recall | Gibson, do you experience pops and clicks with basic desktop operations with gstreamer+amaroK also? |
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| 03:32.11 | dj_ryan | peterS: I'm just bored, trying to start a fight for fun. I use debian at home, so I'm sympathetic to the cause, comrade. |
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| 03:32.26 | peterS | dj_ryan: get out, then. troll elsewhere. we do not need you here. |
| 03:32.44 | peterS | dj_ryan: your boredom does not justify destructive behavior |
| 03:33.06 | beat- | Guerin but for a newbie like me its better to format everything install winxp, make the partitions and then install debian right? (I have plenty of free time, i'm on vacations ;D) |
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| 03:34.16 | Guerin | beat-: up to you. Debian can ans should automatically set you up to dual boot, so you can just install normally if you like. |
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| 03:34.26 | Acerimusdux | Lanz - I don't know about amorok; but I know one problem I ran into with a CD player is that some have a direct audio connection (a second cable for audio in addition to the data bus) and others don't. Some programs expect ... |
| 03:34.26 | Acerimusdux | the cable. I was able to get XMMS working by going to preferences, audio plugins, selecting the "CD Audio Player" plugin, hit configure, and there's a checkbox for analog or digital |
| 03:34.30 | Guerin | i just thought you wanted to keep your existing bootloader |
| 03:34.34 | Guerin | and damn, sam |
| 03:34.58 | Guerin | just because it's vacation time doesn't mean you should be hunched over a computer... |
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| 03:35.04 | dj_ryan | what's the current 'unstable' solution for digital mixing of audio? Is it esd, or a kernel based solution? |
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| 03:35.52 | beat- | right know i have installed debian through vmware |
| 03:35.55 | beat- | just for test purposes |
| 03:35.55 | adrian__ | Is there any sort of program in apt that allows you to view images in a framebuffer, without having X even installed? |
| 03:36.02 | beat- | i installed the netinst version |
| 03:36.06 | adrian__ | I know that in Gentoo it is possible to even use mplayer in a framebuffer |
| 03:36.12 | beat- | know how do i define from which mirror to download the packets? |
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| 03:36.16 | adrian__ | Does anything like that exist for just plain image viewing? |
| 03:36.25 | peterS | adrian__: debian has this neat program called apt-cache |
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| 03:36.54 | adrian__ | peterS: I know. But what do I search for? If I don't know exactly what words I'm looking for, apt-cache isnt very useful. |
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| 03:37.18 | adrian__ | 'apt-cache search framebuffer image'? |
| 03:37.28 | Acerimusdux | adrian - if you mean viewing jpeg type images without X running, I believe "zgv" does that |
| 03:37.40 | brimstone | is there a easy howto for simple bandwidth management based on port? |
| 03:37.56 | Acerimusdux | adrian - I'm not sure what "framebuffer" means though |
| 03:37.57 | peterS | adrian__: apt-cache search frame buffer image viewer |
| 03:38.03 | adrian__ | Thank you Acerimusdux ! |
| 03:39.19 | elmagozizou | Does anyone can tell me a repositorie where I can find Nvidia kernel module, drivers and settings? |
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| 03:39.44 | dj_ryan | brimstone: with linux or openbsd? |
| 03:39.50 | brimstone | debian |
| 03:39.53 | dj_ryan | hmm |
| 03:40.02 | dj_ryan | ipchains is the solution |
| 03:40.09 | brimstone | with 2.6? |
| 03:40.11 | dj_ryan | there should be traffic shapers for ipchains, but im not sure |
| 03:40.20 | dj_ryan | i know that openbsd supports this well and natively out of the box. |
| 03:40.22 | ajs` | iptables |
| 03:40.25 | brimstone | i think tc is the answer, but i'm not sure how to use it |
| 03:40.35 | ajs` | ipchains has been depreciated since 2.2 |
| 03:40.36 | Guerin | no |
| 03:40.38 | dj_ryan | ah, iptables, ipchains, whatever :-) |
| 03:40.39 | Guerin | iptables |
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| 03:40.45 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 03:41.08 | Guerin | lartc.org discusses how to do this, iirc |
| 03:41.19 | GlingGling | I'm having trouble using apt-get, I put in deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main contrib, and when I run apt-get update it is giving me alot of failed to fetch and other errors |
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| 03:41.43 | brimstone | Guerin: yes, i've found their manual, but i'm looking for something a little more simplistic |
| 03:41.58 | dj_ryan | http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/queueing.html |
| 03:42.09 | elmagozizou | GlingGling, do apt-get update first |
| 03:42.13 | Guerin | brimstone: tried firehol or shorewall? |
| 03:42.20 | brimstone | dj_ryan: but i'm not using openbsd |
| 03:42.22 | GlingGling | yeah, I did the apt-get update |
| 03:42.25 | Guerin | dj_ryan: that'd be really useful if he was using openbsd |
| 03:42.26 | GlingGling | and it gave me lots of problems |
| 03:42.28 | fidget | humm i'm having trouble setting up x on debian for this computer ... can I use a config file or something from a bootup on a live cd? |
| 03:42.30 | brimstone | Guerin: no, would you suggest those over tc? |
| 03:42.31 | beat- | i just installed debian, but only the base install. what do i have to do now to download packets, like X, gnome, etc... |
| 03:42.34 | dj_ryan | brimstone: pity. |
| 03:42.45 | fidget | is there even a config file for x? |
| 03:42.52 | Guerin | brimstone: they're for different purposes - i'm not very familiar with them, so I can only suggest you look |
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| 03:43.01 | brimstone | ok, will do, thanks |
| 03:43.06 | adrian__ | fidget, yes.It's in /etc/X11/ |
| 03:43.07 | dj_ryan | guerin, true, but now that i read it, traffic shaping in obsd is so sweet. |
| 03:43.12 | Guerin | beat-: run 'tasksel' |
| 03:43.32 | Guerin | !drxx fidget |
| 03:43.33 | dpkg | fidget: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 03:44.17 | fidget | ah much thanks |
| 03:44.27 | recall | --openBSD_user; |
| 03:44.33 | beat- | Guerin but it only has 3 options, print server, files server, or manual selection of packets and the last one doesnt work gives a stupid error :s |
| 03:45.30 | Guerin | beat-: oh, badf. |
| 03:45.41 | GlingGling | what If you get errors when you run tasksel or apt-get update? |
| 03:45.57 | Guerin | beat-: what do you want to install? for gnome and x, get x-window-system gnome-desktop-environment |
| 03:46.07 | GlingGling | I tried different sites in my sources.list |
| 03:46.10 | beat- | but before that |
| 03:46.11 | Guerin | beat-: otherwise use aptitude's search functions |
| 03:46.16 | beat- | ok |
| 03:46.19 | beat- | but before that |
| 03:46.25 | beat- | how do i choose the mirror |
| 03:46.32 | beat- | from where to download the packets? |
| 03:46.35 | GlingGling | I can ping google's ip so I can get outside of my network, but beyond that I don't know where to go next |
| 03:47.49 | Xenguy | GlingGling: are you able to apt-get new software? |
| 03:47.50 | Acerimusdux | Gling - are you sure that was a valid mirror you put in? |
| 03:47.59 | Guerin | beat-: apt-setup should already have asked you |
| 03:48.33 | Xenguy | GlingGling: if not, apt-setup |
| 03:48.53 | beat- | I think debian is too complicated for a linux newbie like me :( |
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| 03:49.22 | Xenguy | beat-: I doubt that - you just need to read/learn the basics |
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| 03:49.55 | Xenguy | beat-: besides, GNU/Linux makes it easier actually, not harder :-) |
| 03:50.16 | GlingGling | I tried two mirrors, one of them being security.debian.org |
| 03:50.17 | Xenguy | er, Debian GNU/Linux |
| 03:50.33 | GlingGling | the error i get is Temporary failure resolving "host" |
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| 03:50.46 | Guerin | GlingGling: fix your dns |
| 03:50.55 | Xenguy | GlingGling: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 03:51.11 | Guerin | GlingGling: echo "nameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf # as root |
| 03:51.17 | Xenguy | GlingGling: you need good nameservers likely |
| 03:51.48 | Xenguy | >> |
| 03:51.52 | Guerin | nope |
| 03:51.55 | Guerin | > |
| 03:51.59 | GlingGling | cant i use my ISPs nameserver? |
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| 03:52.06 | Xenguy | GlingGling: better |
| 03:52.13 | Guerin | the existing info clearly doesn't work, why keep it? |
| 03:52.17 | Guerin | GlingGling: sure, if they work |
| 03:52.22 | Xenguy | Guerin: nod |
| 03:52.29 | GlingGling | I mean, i don't know what's in there, i'll check it out |
| 03:52.37 | zcat[1] | GlingGling: usually your DSL modem will have been told what servers to use via DHCP.. and it proxies DNS for you |
| 03:52.47 | Acerimusdux | Gling - can you ping debian.org? |
| 03:53.20 | GlingGling | unknown host |
| 03:53.44 | GlingGling | maybe I'm having problems between my router and debian |
| 03:54.21 | zcat[1] | If you know your ISP's DNS servers, list them in /etc/resolv.conf.. |
| 03:54.53 | hasimir44 | anyone know how to set or remove an essid on the fly? "iwconfig ath0 essid any" seems to work, but still can't just pump for an IP at a cafe.. |
| 03:54.55 | Acerimusdux | Gloing - it sounds like its definately the DNS - if you can ping 192.25.206.10 that's it (that IP is debian.org) |
| 03:54.56 | Xenguy | GlingGling: what zcat[1] said; it's definitely a nameserver/resolution problem |
| 03:55.40 | Kupal[] | Im on a network, 3 switches away or so.. there is this ip:mac adress that is doing bad stuff, I could stop him with his ip, but he would come back, however i OWN ever bridge in the place, is there a way I could trace the mac infront of his mac? (Ill give someone food for the answer :) ) |
| 03:56.00 | Kupal[] | like traceroute, but only mac addresses. |
| 03:56.02 | eggy | la ol |
| 03:56.25 | cokecan | Ok guys, I have some issues I need help with in regards to my Netgear PCMCIA 802.11b wireless card |
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| 03:56.49 | Acerimusdux | Gling - yeah if your ISP gives you a DNS, just list it there - if they dynamically assign that and an IP address, then you'd need to run a dhcp client - but it sounds like you already have the IP setup. |
| 03:56.54 | cokecan | I'm running the 2.6.8-2-686 kernel |
| 03:56.54 | GlingGling | thanks guys, that helped I put my DNS into that file |
| 03:57.00 | Xenguy | Kupal[]: oh, *that* Xen ;-) |
| 03:57.03 | GlingGling | it wasn't in there |
| 03:57.08 | cokecan | I swear I have done everything |
| 03:57.08 | zcat[1] | traceroute, then arp the last hop.. |
| 03:57.14 | GlingGling | I guess I had it set up manually |
| 03:57.23 | GlingGling | but yeah, it's all good now |
| 03:57.23 | Xenguy | GlingGling: working? |
| 03:57.27 | GlingGling | yeah, thanks |
| 03:57.30 | Kupal[] | Xenguy going off that project name? |
| 03:57.34 | GlingGling | i can ping site names now not just IPs |
| 03:57.39 | Xenguy | GlingGling: :-) |
| 03:57.46 | zcat[1] | Umm.. asleep.. 'bridges' not 'routers' :) |
| 03:57.53 | elmagozizou | How do I start debian in text mode? |
| 03:58.00 | Xenguy | Kupal[]: I predated the Xen project by quite a few years ;-) |
| 03:58.03 | cokecan | init 1 |
| 03:58.09 | deadcat | elmagozizou: how you get NONE text mode? |
| 03:58.54 | cokecan | Can anyone help me with my wireless card? |
| 03:59.13 | deadcat | cokecan: ya try acx100 |
| 03:59.21 | elmagozizou | deadcat, what do you mean? I mean dont start X, just in text mode...and how to change it back.. |
| 03:59.30 | deadcat | !nodm elmagozizou |
| 03:59.33 | cokecan | deadcat: what do you mean? |
| 03:59.55 | deadcat | elmagozizou: check the file in /etc/X11/*manager* change the content to false |
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| 04:00.16 | deadcat | cokecan: exactly. so ask a smart question |
| 04:00.37 | beat- | is there any command to install the basic packages? i dont know why but tasksel is not working for me |
| 04:00.39 | beat- | :s |
| 04:00.56 | deadcat | beat-: basic? |
| 04:01.20 | Acerimusdux | elma - if you have X running, CTL-ALT-F1, CTL-ALT-F2, etc should give you text consoles...to go back to X it's probably CTL-ALT F7 |
| 04:01.31 | beat- | X, a GUI, etc. |
| 04:01.37 | beat- | <- newbie |
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| 04:01.48 | liable | beat-: do you have the basic system installed? |
| 04:01.52 | deadcat | beat-: we know you are newbie. X is not basic. basic is no gui |
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| 04:02.12 | beat- | well |
| 04:02.21 | deadcat | liable: basic to him mean GUI (default) |
| 04:02.25 | entheon | is there a way for a user to change their default shell without root access to /etc/passwd ? |
| 04:02.32 | zcat[1] | chsh |
| 04:02.33 | deadcat | entheon: chsh |
| 04:02.34 | beat- | i've just installed debian |
| 04:02.35 | elmagozizou | deadcat, this is what i have in there... /usr/bin/gdm |
| 04:02.40 | beat- | but just the "basic" |
| 04:02.52 | beat- | i installed through a small iso for netinst (110mb) |
| 04:02.55 | deadcat | elmagozizou: you have /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 04:02.56 | liable | beat-: apt-get-istall x-window-system kde-core kdm |
| 04:03.06 | elmagozizou | deadcat, yeah |
| 04:03.06 | liable | err |
| 04:03.10 | liable | beat-: apt-get istall x-window-system kde-core kdm |
| 04:03.15 | deadcat | elmagozizou: then edit that file. change it to false |
| 04:03.17 | beat- | thanks |
| 04:03.39 | Acerimusdux | elma - to not start X at boot, don't tun a display manager at boot - there's probably a script you can disable in /etc/init.d - I just don't use one at all (I uninstalled them) |
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| 04:03.59 | elmagozizou | deadcat, how do I change it to false? i have only this /usr/bin/gdm |
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| 04:04.08 | deadcat | Acerimusdux: he wants to login via console, doesnt mean he doesnt want X |
| 04:04.17 | deadcat | elmagozizou: edit the damn file. |
| 04:04.34 | deadcat | elmagozizou: echo false > /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 04:04.37 | Xenguy | elmagozizou: you probably need to remove x/g/k/dm if you want X to not load automatically |
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| 04:04.53 | recall | Is the bytecode interpreter enabled in the libfreetype6 deb? |
| 04:05.06 | Xenguy | elmagozizou: or maybe what deadcat is saying will do the same thing - dunno |
| 04:05.07 | beat- | but besides that packages |
| 04:05.08 | cokecan | deadcat: Thanks for being a smartass. I am trying to use ndiswrapper to install my wireless card. I ran apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils, I have ran apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686, I have ran apt-get install wireless-tools, I have ran apt-get install wireless-tools, I have ran ndiswrapper -i /path/to/file.inf, I have ran ndiswrapper -m, I have ran`ifconfig wlan0 up, I have ran dhcpcd wlan0, and some others, but I still |
| 04:05.08 | cokecan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.13 | beat- | what other packages should i download? |
| 04:05.21 | elmagozizou | Xenguy, ok.. |
| 04:05.36 | deadcat | cokecan: shut the fuck up. if you dont ask the question. we cant read your fucking mind, ... moron |
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| 04:05.44 | cokecan | Awwww |
| 04:05.52 | zcat[1] | cokecan: Yeah, I had the same problem. I just went out and got a supported wireless card. |
| 04:05.53 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 04:06.12 | deadcat | cokecan: thats what you get for using ndis. you deserve it. |
| 04:06.17 | MoonGladeGal | can somebody remind me how to load a module with apache2? |
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| 04:06.23 | zcat[1] | ndiswrapper is great in theory. In actual practise it's a fsckign nightmare |
| 04:06.28 | deadcat | MoonGladeGal: dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
| 04:06.37 | MoonGladeGal | no no... |
| 04:06.44 | cokecan | zcat[1]: Which card did you find worked? |
| 04:06.57 | MoonGladeGal | it's some command then the mod name |
| 04:06.59 | zcat[1] | SMC one with an rt2400 chipset |
| 04:07.16 | zcat[1] | there are better ones but it was the cheapest |
| 04:07.34 | matsur | how do I potain make-kpkg if it isn't installed on my system? |
| 04:07.36 | cokecan | deadcat: I'm sorry I have only been using Linux for 3 weeks |
| 04:07.42 | matsur | obtain rather |
| 04:07.48 | deadcat | cokecan: maybe you shouldnt |
| 04:07.51 | liable | beat-: all depends what you want. the choices are almost endless. |
| 04:08.20 | mrwill | matsur: there is some package you install to get it. |
| 04:08.22 | recall | i'm not sure if the bytecode interpreter has anything to do with freetype's autohinting, I don't believe it does, but enabling the autohinter makes my fonts look horrible |
| 04:08.25 | cokecan | Awww, how cute. Big tough Linux guru. |
| 04:08.30 | liable | matsur: install kernel-package |
| 04:08.36 | deadcat | cokecan: who said i am a guru. |
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| 04:08.53 | mrwill | deadcat: cokecan did, scroll up ;) |
| 04:08.54 | liable | matsur: you prolly want build-essential too. |
| 04:09.05 | deadcat | mrwill: hes a moron. (= scroll up hehe |
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| 04:10.03 | welson | anyone has tried multitail? |
| 04:10.21 | recall | I was under the impression that, when enabled, the autohinter only works if a font file is without hinting instructions. I can see where autohinting a font file with hints already would cause problems |
| 04:10.23 | deadcat | welson: no |
| 04:10.43 | welson | apparently it does a nice job for checking out logfiles |
| 04:10.47 | cokecan | Well, I did state what kernel I was using, the card, and the fact that I couldn't get it working. What usually happens when a wireless card doesn't work as it should? It doesn't connect. Therefor the problem was stated. |
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| 04:11.39 | deadcat | cokecan: if it doesnt work, and you using ndis, time to get a real card. |
| 04:12.07 | MoonGladeGal | deadcat I was looknig for 'a2enmod rewrite' |
| 04:12.19 | deadcat | MoonGladeGal: cool. |
| 04:12.28 | cokecan | Well, make some suggestions, that's why I am here. I am looking for help. |
| 04:12.29 | welson | recall, all of your fonts? |
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| 04:12.52 | deadcat | MoonGladeGal: i am using 1.3 here. |
| 04:12.56 | recall | welson, yeah |
| 04:12.58 | Kupal[] | zcat we are both on the same network.... |
| 04:13.01 | deadcat | cokecan: prism54 cards |
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| 04:13.05 | recall | for instance, Tahoma 9 |
| 04:13.06 | welson | cokecan, if it doesn't connect its because you don't know where to start.. |
| 04:13.19 | recall | which is supposedly one of the best hinted TTFs |
| 04:13.31 | liable | cokecan: does ifconfig or iwconfig show the card? |
| 04:13.45 | Acerimusdux | elma is signed off? should have told to run update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
| 04:13.45 | GlingGling | i'm downloading some packages using tasksel, and as they are installing every once and a while I get a dma error for hda. Is this a big problem? |
| 04:13.51 | cokecan | welson: I have been on www.linuxquestions.org for the past few days doing everyhing stated for me to do. |
| 04:13.51 | jmd | Can anyone suggest a way to overcome mozilla's annoying habit of starting up with http://mozilla.org if I happened to start from a different maxchine last session |
| 04:13.51 | welson | recall, what files have you customized? if any? i didn't need to customize anything for fonts.. |
| 04:14.01 | deadcat | Acerimusdux: use tab completion, then you will know |
| 04:14.05 | cokecan | liable: hold, I'll check |
| 04:14.32 | deadcat | jmd: dont use mozilla |
| 04:14.37 | recall | welson, I enabled the autohinter in /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 04:14.38 | JoeTehN00b | I found that with memtest86 one of my RAM cards was corrupt. I removed it and am using only 256 ddr now. I still cannot load the KDE gui or Windows regularly with any hard drive (I've checked 3 different hard drives with windows, 1 with linux.) |
| 04:14.43 | JoeTehN00b | And suggestions? |
| 04:14.45 | welson | cokecan, tldp.org is a friendly source-- you need to know your chipset, if there's no native linux driver, check to see how you can go about it another way with a good guide.. |
| 04:15.29 | recall | I can disable it to return to decent fonts, but I thought the autohinter could only help the situation |
| 04:15.34 | cokecan | Yea, ifconfig shows eth0, which I assume is my hardwire, and lo |
| 04:15.36 | JoeTehN00b | when I get a blue screen from the shell which says "I cannot start the X server ( your ui). The computer then freezes and I'm unable to view the server output to dianose the problem. |
| 04:15.55 | Acerimusdux | Joe - with only 256mb you might want to try a lighter WM - like the icewm |
| 04:15.56 | welson | recall, well keep it the way it was then.. |
| 04:15.57 | deadcat | cokecan: chipset. what chipset? what card? brand, model |
| 04:16.07 | recall | welson, ... yeah, thanks. lol |
| 04:16.17 | welson | recall, what x version? |
| 04:16.25 | cokecan | Chipset I am unsure of. It's a Netgear PCMCIA 802.11b |
| 04:16.26 | JoeTehN00b | Would that ccause it to freece Ace? |
| 04:16.26 | recall | testing XFree86 |
| 04:16.28 | recall | whatever that is |
| 04:16.38 | JoeTehN00b | I know many systems that can load windows XP with only 256 ddr |
| 04:16.43 | cokecan | Model MA401 |
| 04:16.50 | deadcat | cokecan: netgear? |
| 04:16.54 | welson | cokecan, then you're a helpless chick-- nothing to do then |
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| 04:17.03 | JoeTehN00b | hm, perhaps you're right. |
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| 04:17.09 | Acerimusdux | Joe - I mean don't run KDE or Gnome - just icewm; no icons, but the menus work fine |
| 04:17.11 | welson | cokecan, unless you find a way of course, you have the card not me.. |
| 04:17.14 | cokecan | deadcat: Yes Netgear |
| 04:17.29 | deadcat | cokecan: thats a prism chipset i think. |
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| 04:17.43 | JoeTehN00b | Could you instruct me on the option to load linux with only icewm? |
| 04:17.47 | deadcat | cokecan: unless you have the second model |
| 04:17.50 | JoeTehN00b | Please? :-) |
| 04:18.01 | GlingGling | when downloading packages are DMA errors going to case problems? |
| 04:18.07 | GlingGling | cause* |
| 04:18.09 | Acerimusdux | Joe - it also includes a nice taskbar |
| 04:18.17 | recall | anyway, it's not like i'm running some archaic X version from the 90's. |
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| 04:18.38 | cokecan | deadcat: The card is maybe 2 years old. |
| 04:18.53 | welson | recall, the /var/log/X*log file tells you |
| 04:18.55 | deadcat | cokecan: modprobe orinoco_cs see if you get anything |
| 04:18.59 | recall | JoeTehN00b, can you get into X with xinit? |
| 04:19.04 | liable | JoeTehN00b: 256 should be enough for kde, I would look elsewhere for your problem. |
| 04:19.08 | welson | recall, what are you on sarge? |
| 04:19.34 | liable | JoeTehN00b: can you run it in rescue? |
| 04:19.34 | cokecan | I did modprobe and nothing came up |
| 04:19.47 | deadcat | cokecan: iwconfig again. |
| 04:19.52 | JoeTehN00b | I've tried, and no. |
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| 04:20.01 | dvsdude | JoeTehN00b: you should only need 128mb to run kde as liable said look else were for your prob |
| 04:20.10 | cokecan | Prism I is listed |
| 04:20.17 | recall | welson, etch |
| 04:20.19 | zcat[1] | 128m is a bit lite, but 256m is plenty |
| 04:20.24 | welson | cokecan, google your model make, be sure it's the prism chipset or whatever and see if it has been done .. |
| 04:20.32 | recall | xserver-xfree86/testing uptodate 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 |
| 04:20.32 | deadcat | cokecan: ya. so it works then |
| 04:20.32 | liable | JoeTehN00b: so windows wont run either? |
| 04:20.40 | JoeTehN00b | What else could cause it? Could it just be the motherboard? |
| 04:20.45 | Acerimusdux | Joe: first install it, using aptitude or apt get (you also mighth try xfwm4); next run "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" - that will manually let you select your default window manager. |
| 04:20.49 | JoeTehN00b | Liable: No it won't. |
| 04:20.50 | welson | recall, X -version |
| 04:21.00 | liable | JoeTehN00b: certainly sounds hardware related. |
| 04:21.15 | recall | welson, 4.3.0.1 |
| 04:21.16 | cokecan | deadcat: What do you mean it works? It is functioning properly, or it is possible to configure it to do so? |
| 04:21.22 | dvsdude | yes id agree with liable |
| 04:21.23 | JoeTehN00b | Acer: How do I disable the X server from running to begin with, because it hangs once I get a blue screen asking whether or not I'd like server output to diagnose the problem. |
| 04:21.39 | dvsdude | change the inittab to level 2 |
| 04:21.45 | deadcat | cokecan: if you can see output with iwconfig and it shows a prism chipset. it is supported. now just connect to your AP. |
| 04:21.51 | welson | recall, ah well, if you're on etch then I have no clue how the fonts should be, but I did a clean install and had to customize nothing-- my fonts look decent on gnome,kde and lightweight managers.. |
| 04:22.03 | liable | JoeTehN00b: if you are using grub, just pick the rescue option at boot. |
| 04:22.07 | cokecan | What do you mean by connect to my AP? |
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| 04:22.26 | recall | erm, I don't think there's a huge jump in font configurations between sarge and etch. *sigh* |
| 04:22.26 | deadcat | cokecan: dhclient eth1 <-- right? |
| 04:22.37 | cokecan | eth2 |
| 04:22.43 | recall | webcore fonts look fine, but they -always- look fine |
| 04:22.43 | deadcat | then do it |
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| 04:22.58 | recall | unless I enable the autohinter, which doesn't help anything =) |
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| 04:23.04 | JoeTehN00b | I'm reformatting. Be back in a little perhaps |
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| 04:23.18 | welson | recall, is it xorg or xf86? |
| 04:23.26 | recall | xfree |
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| 04:23.37 | deadcat | welson: xorg not in testing yet right? |
| 04:23.56 | recall | welson, I should probably add that i've had this problem for...ever. |
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| 04:24.03 | welson | deadcat, i have no clue.. |
| 04:24.08 | recall | which means since sarge was testing. heh |
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| 04:24.55 | cokecan | deadcat: What do I do now? |
| 04:24.56 | welson | recall, well you can turn off any local font preferences like rename the directory ~/.font<whatever> to ~/.font<somethingelse>.. |
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| 04:25.07 | dserban_ | other than getent to show me user information, is there a better way to peruse a system's users and groups? |
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| 04:25.29 | welson | recall, see #flood |
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| 04:26.11 | liable | cokecan: does it sow as up in ifconfig? |
| 04:26.19 | liable | show even |
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| 04:26.46 | GlingGling | I used tasksel to select the desktop package to download. As it's downloading I keep getting DMA errors on hda. Is this going to cause problems for me later? |
| 04:26.53 | cokecan | liable: When I run 'ifconfig" only eth0 and lo show up |
| 04:26.56 | dvsdude | hey all anyone here using dvdstyler on debian and having problems with button creation or can anyone suggest channel for help with this |
| 04:27.07 | GlingGling | doesn't anyone know what could be causing those problems? |
| 04:27.30 | liable | cokecan: ifconfig eth2 up |
| 04:27.39 | kenboo | GlingGling, what machine? |
| 04:27.41 | deadcat | cokecan: paste iwconfig in #flood |
| 04:28.04 | dvsdude | GlingGling: sounds like the hard drive is failing I would test harddrive with manufacturers diaganoistic software maybe us ultimatebootcd then these hd |
| 04:28.07 | cokecan | liable: Ok I did that, now what? |
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| 04:28.30 | liable | cokecan: does it show now? |
| 04:28.33 | cokecan | deadcat: I am very unfamiliar with IRC and how it works, I just started using it a few days ago. |
| 04:28.49 | cokecan | liable: Yes |
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| 04:29.19 | GlingGling | ok, i'll try to do a harddrive test |
| 04:29.25 | liable | cokecan: ifconfig eth2 dhcp |
| 04:29.34 | kenboo | GlingGling, i had similiar problem with a dell server. problem disappeared after kernel updating |
| 04:29.54 | cokecan | dhcp: Unknown host |
| 04:30.11 | GlingGling | ohh, how do I update the kernal? |
| 04:30.27 | GlingGling | I put it together myself, but that could be the problem |
| 04:30.30 | dvsdude | apt-get install kernel-image-version no |
| 04:30.31 | deadcat | cokecan: dhclient eth2, if you know the SSID of your AP, iwconfig eth2 essid <SSID> |
| 04:30.44 | cokecan | Kernel upgrading has proved to be a pain in my arse |
| 04:31.09 | deadcat | cokecan: if arse you mean ass, then you doing it wrong |
| 04:31.32 | cokecan | Indeed I am deadcat |
| 04:31.50 | cokecan | Anyways, I do not know the SSID |
| 04:31.59 | GlingGling | I'll run a drive test and then if that isn't it, look into upgrading the kernel |
| 04:32.08 | kenboo | sounds good |
| 04:32.09 | Acerimusdux | On the other hand if you mean kernel compiling, you're probably doing it right :) |
| 04:32.10 | deadcat | cokecan: then you're fucked |
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| 04:32.23 | liable | cokecan: iwlist scan |
| 04:32.41 | welson | recall, obviously you've been messing around with things-- you should keep things on their default |
| 04:32.58 | cokecan | liable: Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported |
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| 04:33.05 | dvsdude | GlingGling: thats the way to go eliminate hardware faults then sort software |
| 04:33.10 | Kupal[] | kernel compiling? you should try xen kernels, they can be really fun |
| 04:33.15 | recall | welson, I was messing around because default was ugly. |
| 04:33.26 | deadcat | liable: if he doesnt know, hes doing something illegal. we shouldnt help out. |
| 04:33.27 | liable | cokecan: well, whats iwconfig show after running dhcp? |
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| 04:33.42 | welson | recall, the ttf are used via a mechanism not requiring to put their paths in the x config |
| 04:33.54 | liable | deadcat: true. being the good citisen I am, I will stop now :) |
| 04:33.58 | recall | ok, i'm going to try the order you sent me. |
| 04:34.09 | deadcat | liable: (=.. |
| 04:34.12 | welson | recall, apt-get install x-window-system as well |
| 04:34.49 | zcat[1] | sniffing is legal. It's only a crime if you inhale ... um connect! |
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| 04:35.37 | liable | heh |
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| 04:35.57 | recall | xlibmesa-dri and lbxproxy are the only packages I don't have from that meta-package |
| 04:36.09 | recall | and i'm installing the former now |
| 04:36.25 | cokecan | So I guess you guys weren't completely helping me out? |
| 04:36.39 | recall | I don't know what the other is, but I can safely say I don't need anything having to deal with an X proxy. =) |
| 04:36.44 | deadcat | cokecan: if you dont know your own SSID, you're fucked. |
| 04:36.47 | welson | recall, you also didn't listen, you can rename ~/.fonts if its there.. or get rid of other .font-cache files hanging around ~.. |
| 04:37.10 | ahewitt | Hi All, I am getting a "Premature end of script headers" error on just about every request that goes to my webserver...including requests for gif's and png files etc. I have two other servers which are serving the exact same data off a filer mount which are serving it fine. Does anyone know of a reason that this could be occuring? Oh the apache2 configs are also stored on the filer mount and read by each of the 3 servers, so its not a con |
| 04:37.15 | recall | I'll move it, just for kicks. |
| 04:37.48 | welson | recall, have your system-wide /etc/fonts/ directory files to their default as well |
| 04:38.31 | GlingGling | Ok, so all those DMA errors seem to have f'ed up my install of the desktop package because the X server wont start. I guess I'll go troubleshoot. |
| 04:39.36 | recall | restarting X |
| 04:39.39 | technos | ahewitt: The one that's having problems is borking one of the config directives perhaps because it's a slightly different version? |
| 04:39.48 | technos | ahewitt: Just a guess. |
| 04:40.02 | liable | great, a dist-upgrade wants to remove aptitude, apt-file and tasksel.. |
| 04:40.05 | GlingGling | for future reference what would I type in to get a new kernal? specifically like how do I know what version number to put in? |
| 04:40.48 | dvsdude | GlingGling: do apt-cache search kernel-image then pick on |
| 04:40.50 | Guerin | !kernal |
| 04:40.51 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 04:40.52 | dvsdude | one* |
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| 04:40.56 | mwilson | liable: Yes, so? |
| 04:41.03 | welson | recall, i didn't say to restart it.. check flood |
| 04:41.05 | Guerin | they're called linux-image nowadays |
| 04:41.13 | mwilson | liable: You tolt it that it was allowed to, after all. |
| 04:41.13 | liable | mwilson: so, what. |
| 04:41.22 | GlingGling | !kernal |
| 04:41.22 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 04:41.39 | ahewitt | technos: nope...exact same apache2 version...2.0.54-4 on all three |
| 04:41.49 | mrwill | what's a good app for digitizing old recordings, like on records or tapes? |
| 04:41.56 | liable | mwilson: yes I am aware of what dist-upgrade does. |
| 04:42.01 | Guerin | mrwill: rec |
| 04:42.01 | GlingGling | can I just try turning DMA off? |
| 04:42.11 | ajs` | what do you guys think would be more suitable for a laptop, etx3 or reiserfs? |
| 04:42.15 | Acerimusdux | Gling - I usually just run aptitude and do a search for kernel - and choose from the options there. from command line , apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 04:42.17 | Guerin | Acerimusdux: neither |
| 04:42.21 | Guerin | ajs`: neither |
| 04:42.22 | dvsdude | mrwill: audacity |
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| 04:42.33 | ajs` | what do you suggest ? |
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| 04:42.39 | Guerin | ajs`: ext3 with noatime is potentially worthwhile |
| 04:43.01 | Guerin | ajs`: i'd suggest ext2 and frequent fscking if you want to maximise battery life |
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| 04:43.34 | Guerin | ajs`: journalling filesystems write to disk constantly, so they're very inefficient for limited-power systems |
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| 04:44.07 | liable | noatime fixes mine from constant accessing. |
| 04:44.13 | ajs` | ahh, nice tip |
| 04:44.14 | ajs` | thanks |
| 04:45.07 | cokecan | deadcat: Is the SSID the same as what is listed in my router? |
| 04:45.21 | deadcat | cokecan: yes |
| 04:45.24 | Acerimusdux | journaling is also unneeded on /boot and /usr partitions which don't see alot of data change. good on /var /home partitions |
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| 04:45.41 | Guerin | my laptop's battery is dead and it's plugged in 24x7, so i just run plain ext3 |
| 04:45.54 | cokecan | Ok well I have that |
| 04:46.24 | animall | <- stuck looking for why laptop doesnt want to create sound device |
| 04:47.08 | deadcat | animall: <-- sound card not supported |
| 04:47.16 | animall | supported |
| 04:47.18 | cokecan | Guerin, if I can get my wireless running it will give me an excuse to buy a new battery for mine. |
| 04:47.21 | animall | just no dev/dsp |
| 04:47.29 | deadcat | animall: your words against mine. |
| 04:47.50 | animall | it worked when sarge was testing |
| 04:47.56 | liable | cokecan: man iwconfig |
| 04:48.04 | mwilson | feh... I think I have to install lsb-base |
| 04:48.14 | animall | but the drive died, had to swap out drives the with original hhd for this pos |
| 04:48.29 | welson | ~tell recall about pastebin |
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| 04:49.27 | dserban_ | Is there an admin utility (text mode) that I can browse my users/uid's and groups/gids? |
| 04:49.37 | deadcat | dserban_: cat |
| 04:49.43 | zcat[1] | less |
| 04:49.53 | dserban_ | deadcat, indeed ;) Though :s |
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| 04:50.31 | welson | dserban_, yes, there is, but how useful is that? |
| 04:50.34 | cokecan | liable: I'm reading it now |
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| 04:51.49 | Acerimusdux | Gling - there are apparently some harddrives which require DMA to be disabled in Linux - especially a few western Digital ones |
| 04:52.22 | technos | Wow, that was strange.. The sparc I was irc'ing from decided to renew it's dhcp address.. And magically it decided to get a diffeent one. Despite the dhcp server knowing it's mac and static IP, and the dhcp server being patently unable to assign the address it took |
| 04:53.36 | Acerimusdux | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ultra-DMA-9.html |
| 04:53.46 | FabParma | i would like to make a firewall for a small lan. do you think Debian is right to do this? |
| 04:54.11 | Acerimusdux | Gling - also look into updating your bios if it's old |
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| 04:54.26 | welson | FabParma, if you have the right debian attitude, then yes..otherwise no.. |
| 04:54.31 | Guerin | cokecan: i'm considering buying one, or two, for mine |
| 04:54.36 | Guerin | so i can travel with it |
| 04:54.54 | Guerin | FabParma: apt-get install firehol |
| 04:55.02 | Guerin | attitude not required |
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| 04:55.50 | cokecan | Guerin: When mine first went out, it was $200. Needless to say, I decided to wait. |
| 04:56.05 | technos | FabParma: I personally like using LEAF for firewalls. |
| 04:56.36 | zcat[1] | get a dedicated firewall like a netscreen. PC's use too much power |
| 04:56.36 | liable | cokecan: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples, is a good source to :) |
| 04:56.40 | FabParma | i will try both, thank you |
| 04:56.42 | ajs` | FabParma there are a few good firewall distros, smoothwall is one |
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| 04:56.58 | ajs` | i forget the names of the others, i believe there is a freebsd based one as well |
| 04:57.00 | Guerin | smoothwall is a distro? |
| 04:57.05 | FabParma | ajs`: and ipcop? |
| 04:57.08 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:57.13 | ajs` | ipcop too |
| 04:57.51 | technos | Small lan on a cable modem or something, LEAF on a CF, underclocked Pentium with a passive heatsink and no fan, cheesy 130 watt fan-less PS, done. No noise, no moving parts to fail or mush dust. |
| 04:58.05 | jamieBk | any idea why i can't run lilo due to Fatal: write /boot/map~: No space left on device? also, touching a file in /boot partition (77mb free) works but vi'ing it results in message: E297 Write error in swap file. |
| 04:58.53 | jamieBk | i'm getting EXT2-fs errors too... ext2_new_block: free blcoks count corrupted for block group 1. |
| 04:58.59 | Guerin | jamieBk: i'd say you have No space left on device |
| 04:59.00 | jamieBk | remind me again why i hate ext2 so much! |
| 04:59.03 | Guerin | just a guess |
| 04:59.04 | jamieBk | Guerin: nope |
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| 04:59.08 | jamieBk | plenty of space ;-) |
| 04:59.14 | jamieBk | Guerin: df -h reports 77MB free. |
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| 04:59.19 | jamieBk | So... |
| 04:59.23 | Guerin | df -h can lie |
| 04:59.24 | Guerin | use du |
| 04:59.38 | Guerin | still, if it works in vi ... |
| 04:59.42 | dvsdude | are you logging in as user or root |
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| 04:59.58 | GlingGling | where are the packages downloaded to? |
| 05:00.01 | jamieBk | looks like it's only 16MB of 100MB used in /boot... |
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| 05:00.05 | jamieBk | dvsdude: root |
| 05:00.14 | Guerin | GlingGling: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:00.15 | jamieBk | but wait, though... |
| 05:00.24 | dvsdude | jamieBK: k |
| 05:00.26 | GlingGling | thanks |
| 05:00.29 | jamieBk | some sort of ext2 errors. looks like the /boot part just got corrupted. |
| 05:00.33 | jamieBk | boy ext2 sucks ;-) |
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| 05:01.37 | welson | recall, how are you restart X ? |
| 05:01.56 | jamieBk | welson: /etc/init.d/kdm restart (or xdm or gdm)... |
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| 05:02.02 | FabParma | when i sen a program to the second desktop it is present in both. is there a way to separate totally the desktops? |
| 05:02.03 | jamieBk | welson: or, you might init 3; init 5 |
| 05:02.08 | recall | welson, leaving and running startx again |
| 05:02.23 | welson | no, i know how to, I'm asking him how he's done it(troubleshooting) |
| 05:02.32 | jamieBk | welson: (ahh, sorry!) ;-) |
| 05:02.36 | welson | jamieBk, you f** tard... |
| 05:02.44 | welson | jamieBk, that's redhat |
| 05:02.55 | dserban_ | welson, would you mind letting me know which text-mode program allows me to view my uid's and gid's at a glance? |
| 05:02.55 | jamieBk | welson: huh? no it's not you moron |
| 05:03.06 | Guerin | jamieBk: it's not debian |
| 05:03.07 | welson | dserban_, hahaha I forgot! |
| 05:03.21 | dserban_ | welson, :o... :'( |
| 05:03.33 | dserban_ | I've been apt-cache search'in this whole time. |
| 05:04.06 | jamieBk | Guerin: huh? |
| 05:04.10 | Guerin | dserban_: cat /etc/passwd and /etc/group |
| 05:04.23 | Guerin | jamieBk: what part of my statement was unclear? |
| 05:04.23 | jamieBk | \/etc/init.d/kdm restart restarts X just fine on my system |
| 05:04.36 | Guerin | jamieBk: oh, that does. init 3 ; init 5 doesn't |
| 05:04.48 | Guerin | or it might on yours, but not on a stock debian box |
| 05:04.56 | recall | mwelson, do you have the freetype autohinter enabled? |
| 05:04.59 | FabParma | if ia send firefox on the second desktop, it stills present in the first and in the second desktop. is it possible to separate totally the desktops? |
| 05:05.03 | recall | welson* |
| 05:05.13 | jamieBk | Guerin: ?? ah. i normally don't do it that way anyway. run level 5 is X11 though on most normal debian boxes |
| 05:05.20 | Guerin | jamieBk: nope |
| 05:05.20 | welson | recall, mwilson is not me, and no I'm not related to denis either.. |
| 05:05.34 | recall | =) |
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| 05:05.39 | jamieBk | Guerin: (checking) |
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| 05:05.57 | yoshio_ | I've just upgraded to Sarge from woody. Typing apt-show-versions shows: Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/Storable/Storable.so' for module Storable: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Storable/Storable.so: undefined symbol: PL_sv_undef at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/DynaLoader.pm line 225. at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 35 Compilation failed in require at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 35. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line |
| 05:06.03 | jack|ass | anyone have any ideas on why my SSH sessions "lock up" after a couple minutes of inactivity? |
| 05:06.07 | jamieBk | Guerin: ahh you're right. runlevel 2 is non-X |
| 05:06.15 | Guerin | jamieBk: yes and no. |
| 05:06.18 | SDFH_Linux | what packages do i need to compile my own packages |
| 05:06.19 | jamieBk | err no |
| 05:06.25 | jamieBk | you're right. weird. |
| 05:06.26 | jamieBk | ok. |
| 05:06.29 | welson | recall, use the xinit cmd I gave |
| 05:06.31 | jamieBk | init s; init 5 |
| 05:06.32 | jamieBk | ;-) |
| 05:06.39 | Guerin | jamieBk: runlevels 2-5 are the same on a stock debian box. Non-x if you want, x if you have a dm installed |
| 05:06.41 | jamieBk | but that sucks though... |
| 05:06.42 | dserban_ | Guerin, typical answer, I'm aware of those files and cat 'em all the time. :/ |
| 05:06.48 | Guerin | jamieBk: and 2 is the default runlevel |
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| 05:07.10 | Guerin | dserban_: you could massage them a bit with awk to make it prettier |
| 05:07.11 | dserban_ | I'm looking for a util that will compare default settings between distros. |
| 05:07.15 | yoshio_ | Ihave /usr/lib/perl5/auto (old files) and /usr/lib/perl/5.8/auto (new files), what should I do? |
| 05:07.20 | jamieBk | Guerin: hmm... my default is 5 |
| 05:07.27 | dserban_ | Guerin, nice idea. |
| 05:07.32 | jamieBk | Guerin: but it's kanotix, so it's probably some weird knoppix thing |
| 05:07.37 | welson | recall, you don't always have to bother exiting your whole X session for trying another setting, just start it on another screen (vt8 - ctl-f8, ctl-f7 for this one) |
| 05:07.37 | Guerin | jamieBk: then you've customiosed it or you're not running real debian |
| 05:07.39 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:07.42 | Guerin | !moron jamieBk |
| 05:07.43 | dpkg | jamieBk: You are moron #98 |
| 05:08.05 | dserban_ | !moron dserban_ |
| 05:08.07 | dpkg | dserban_: You are moron #10 |
| 05:08.10 | dserban_ | :/ |
| 05:08.17 | jamieBk | Guerin: all my servers are running real debian. i wanted to try kanotix. surprise. except for automounter, i can't tell any difference from sid. |
| 05:08.18 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: apt-get install build-essential at the very minimum |
| 05:08.22 | jamieBk | so blow me Guerin |
| 05:08.27 | welson | dserban_, wow a perfect radix moron ! |
| 05:08.37 | dserban_ | heh |
| 05:08.50 | Guerin | jamieBk: just because YOU can't tell a difference don't mean there ain't one |
| 05:08.51 | recall | welson, ok. xinit -- :1 doesn't change how my fonts look. |
| 05:09.10 | welson | recall, no, that's part of the cmd I gave you you moron! the whole cmd! |
| 05:09.14 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 05:09.18 | recall | ... |
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| 05:09.28 | jamieBk | Guerin: nah, i'm saying in terms of the desktop set up. why do you have to be so damn arbitrary |
| 05:10.01 | Guerin | jamieBk: i'm not, i'm being exact. You're the one deciding on arbitrary grounds what is and isn't relevant. |
| 05:10.13 | Guerin | anyway, we got to the bottom of it |
| 05:10.15 | Bac9 | is there any way to get all allsa apps to use dmix and not ust the apps of the current user? (so that I can have system daemons and regular apps play sound)? |
| 05:10.16 | jamieBk | and why am i wasting time arguing with you. duh. of course there are major differences with kanotix/knoppix to sid. i'm just saying that the typical reasons -- a "better desktop" don't seem to be part of those difference |
| 05:10.21 | jamieBk | Guerin: ;-) |
| 05:10.25 | jamieBk | Guerin: gotcha |
| 05:10.27 | recall | welson, you're not getting me anywhere. you just assumed I accidently dropped part of your command and went off, forget it.. |
| 05:10.39 | welson | recall, fine, then go |
| 05:10.46 | recall | go where? |
| 05:10.49 | jamieBk | kanotix != ubuntu != debian |
| 05:10.56 | Guerin | simple really |
| 05:11.06 | welson | recall, go read then! if you think you know *everything.. |
| 05:11.25 | recall | lol |
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| 05:11.45 | welson | recall, you obviously don't even listen, so what's the point.. i'm done with you.. |
| 05:12.01 | jamieBk | this sucks. i have to remotely reinstall debian on a friggin server in France. |
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| 05:12.31 | jamieBk | i hate this. every time i've done it before, i've made some silly mistake and needed remote hands. |
| 05:12.46 | recall | is the bytecode interpreter enabled in debian's official libfreetype6? |
| 05:12.46 | dserban_ | jamieBk, no one cares. Can I blow you too? |
| 05:13.03 | jamieBk | dserban_: uh. well. thanks, but... |
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| 05:13.17 | dserban_ | Thought so... |
| 05:13.51 | recall | I didn't see this mentioned in /usr/share/doc/libfreetype6 |
| 05:13.59 | welson | recall, you're using "nvidia" and thinking *that is going to fix your font rendering--- even while you keep #dri commented out in X, you're asking the wrong professionals.. |
| 05:14.09 | Gumby | I believe I ran a command to setup an XF86Config-4 file but I forget what it is. Can anyone possibly refresh my mind? |
| 05:14.41 | dvsdude | xf86cfg or xf86config |
| 05:14.54 | jamieBk | Gumby: vi? ;-) perhaps xf86setup or something... |
| 05:14.56 | recall | welson, don't assume I didn't listen to you the first time. I tried DRI with nv. That has nothing to do with my issue anyway, thanks for trying |
| 05:14.58 | welson | i'd say to you recall, get out and try "nv" turn on the dri, or simply "grow" up and listen-- you need those mods loaded anyways.. |
| 05:15.08 | dvsdude | Gumby; xf86cfg or xf86config |
| 05:15.08 | dserban_ | Gumby, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 05:15.48 | jamieBk | welson: actually, with nvidia you don't want dri. |
| 05:15.56 | jamieBk | welson: i don't know about nv (don't use it) |
| 05:15.57 | Acerimusdux | yoshio - you mean upgraded from Woody to sarge? I don't have apt-show-versions, so I can't help you there - but I do rememmber when I first tried to upgrade to Sarge I used the obsolete dselect, and had some problems with a ... |
| 05:15.57 | Acerimusdux | few packages (I think including some Perl) which were corrected when I used aptitude. |
| 05:16.14 | welson | jamieBk, "nvidia" is nvidia and I never said "nvidia" + "dri" doofus |
| 05:16.26 | welson | jamieBk, read above.. |
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| 05:16.28 | jamieBk | welson: misunderstood strry |
| 05:16.40 | welson | jamieBk, read then shout moron |
| 05:17.00 | dserban_ | #debian abuse at its finest ;) |
| 05:17.05 | dserban_ | !abuse dserban_ |
| 05:17.13 | jamieBk | welson: i did read it. that has nothing to do with not understanding your ambigious remark. |
| 05:17.14 | welson | jamieBk, if you're on redhat go to #redhat, but don't tell me how to use redhat here |
| 05:17.24 | recall | welson, the ad-hominator |
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| 05:30.26 | Acerimusdux | yoshio - I also have a /usr/lib/perl and usr/lib/perl5 - I think that's normal. you might want to check that your apt-show-versions is up to date - there's a perl package it depends on called libapt-pkg-perl |
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| 05:33.28 | ReleaseX | iwlist eth1 scan tells me the operation is not supported. I use orinoco_cs for the wireless card. How can i get this to work |
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| 05:35.43 | florg | hi. i try to compile a simple gtk app made with glade. when running ./autogen.sh i get the error "syntax error near unexpected token `PACKAGE,'", the respective line in the configure script contains "PKG_CHECK_MODULES(PACKAGE, $pkg_modules)". Any ideas? |
| 05:36.22 | Arafangion | Interesting. |
| 05:36.47 | Arafangion | When fooling around with fork, one process outputting C, and the other P, it seems that I get _LOTS_ of C's before P's, and so on. |
| 05:37.17 | Arafangion | When I run the same program on my mac, I get only a few lines of P's, then C's, and so on. (In other words it's switching much faster) |
| 05:37.23 | Arafangion | Any comments on that? |
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| 05:38.25 | Arafangion | Also, how do I use pthread_create in Debian? (Posix threading) |
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| 05:41.27 | zophyx | ulimit: usage: ulimit [-SHacdflmnpstuv] [limit] |
| 05:41.34 | zophyx | and there is no ulimit man page |
| 05:41.39 | zophyx | that sucks |
| 05:42.15 | zophyx | i would volunteer to maintain ulimit.. bu tdebian sucks |
| 05:42.26 | mwilson | Why would there be a man page for it, when it's a bash built-in? |
| 05:42.37 | zophyx | oh.. nevermind |
| 05:42.48 | mwilson | There's something wrong with the documentation for it in the bash man page? |
| 05:43.17 | zophyx | i'll let you know, for now stop talking about it :) |
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| 05:43.41 | mwilson | Awwww, he didn't like being wrong. |
| 05:43.46 | zophyx | heheh] |
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| 05:44.47 | kern | zophyx man builtins |
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| 05:45.50 | Eclipser | how could I automate renaming files like "<some text><two numbers>.<n spaces><some text 2>.mp3" to "<two numbers> - <some text 2>.mp3"?-p |
| 05:46.23 | ttick | Eclipser: perl comes to mind. sed too. |
| 05:46.33 | Eclipser | my regexp skills suck ass |
| 05:46.43 | welson | Eclipser, rename (which is a perl program) might be able to do it |
| 05:48.56 | Eclipser | let's see |
| 05:49.15 | exobyte | Any ideas how I can get my dialup connect speed to show up in the log? |
| 05:49.15 | ttick | off the top of my head: /(\w+)(\d\d)\.\s*(.*)\.mp3/ to "$2 - $3.mp3" |
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| 05:52.53 | welson | ttick, you're alias should be s/tt/tr/ for trick.. |
| 05:52.57 | Randall64 | Anyone want to guess why sarge with 2.6.8 won't power down my peecee? |
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| 05:54.18 | welson | exobyte, what program are you using to connect? |
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| 05:56.38 | ttick | welson: why the regex not work? Sorry did it off the top of my head. |
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| 05:58.08 | exobyte | welson: pon |
| 05:58.22 | exobyte | welson: so it ends up running pppd and chat |
| 06:00.05 | welson | exobyte, gpppon is just an applet.. |
| 06:00.59 | exobyte | welson: just pon |
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| 06:01.17 | trend | geee!!! 743users! |
| 06:01.22 | trend | Hello all |
| 06:02.02 | trend | uhrm.. maybe i am not totally connected.. because i don't see any of the 700+ users talking... |
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| 06:03.21 | welson | exobyte, is there a package to it? |
| 06:03.45 | exobyte | welson: pon? no. It's a script that comes with debian. It just ends up running pppd |
| 06:04.08 | welson | exobyte, well its probably somewhere in the sourcetree |
| 06:05.12 | trend | Can someone help explain SSH keys please.. because I totally do not understand how a local server can create a key, and if i place the public key on a remote server.. I can login.. I would think I would have to create the public/private key on the remote server (taht I would be logging into).. sorta like the concept of SSL certificates |
| 06:05.30 | welson | exobyte, dpkg -L ppp|less -- notice there must be something about logs no? |
| 06:06.30 | welson | exobyte, to view the files, go cool with lynx.. |
| 06:07.21 | Randall64 | trend: google for public key encryption |
| 06:07.42 | Randall64 | It's not that difficult. |
| 06:08.31 | trend | i have a tutorial infront of me.. and I can do what it says |
| 06:08.31 | trend | but i am just stumped on it actually works |
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| 06:13.03 | welson | interesting - ppp-on-ssh |
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| 06:15.33 | trend | Randall64 I just do not understand how thsi would validate if you are a valid user on the remote server |
| 06:15.38 | trend | because in the whole process.. I didn't tell the local server that the remote's server password is (to the username I am trying to login as) |
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| 06:17.06 | akbg | Hi, I have a strange problem whit scite, look here... http://akbg.ath.cx/varie/bordello.png |
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| 06:18.32 | akbg | It seems to be a visualization problem... Scite depends to libpango for font rendering, but I have downgraded libpango to 1.8.1-1 (whit this version, scite works well), but the problem is here again.. |
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| 06:27.07 | ForrestF | im loking for a way to send files from my MAC os 9.2.2 imac to my Debian Linux box |
| 06:27.40 | valdyn | ForrestF: im sure there's a ssh for max os x |
| 06:27.49 | akbg | scp? |
| 06:27.53 | nkuttler | ForrestF: macssh |
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| 06:28.02 | ForrestF | im talking macos9 |
| 06:28.02 | nkuttler | ForrestF: google.com even |
| 06:28.13 | valdyn | ForrestF: and also for that. |
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| 06:28.21 | ForrestF | then how to i send files to debian |
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| 06:28.28 | wwallace | i have locally mount a samba share but when i start playing music from there computr plays like for 2 minutes and crashes im using xmms to play i also tried amarok and the same thing happen any clues? |
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| 06:28.30 | nkuttler | ForrestF: read what we told you |
| 06:28.33 | valdyn | ForrestF: install an ssh client and use it. |
| 06:28.39 | absence | is there some way to clean up the package database or something? after a few years of running unstable, apt/dpkg are so slow it's not half funny :/ |
| 06:28.53 | ForrestF | ive done ssh but is there ZMODEM? |
| 06:28.59 | ForrestF | or something |
| 06:29.07 | valdyn | !fgi ForrestF mac+os+9+ssh+client |
| 06:29.08 | dpkg | ForrestF: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=mac+os+9+ssh+client |
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| 06:29.23 | ForrestF | ive got a ssh client alreay |
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| 06:29.35 | ForrestF | but what why do i send them |
| 06:29.51 | ForrestF | ZMODEM KERMIT? |
| 06:30.21 | valdyn | ForrestF: you connected both computers just via a serial cable? |
| 06:30.29 | rata | hi, i installed pornview using apt, all seems to work fine, but when i try to close it, it get freeze, and i have to "kill" it. And if i run it from and xterm, it doesnt say any erros, i just have tu CTRL+C, to close it. ¿Any idea ? |
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| 06:30.39 | ForrestF | ethernet |
| 06:30.55 | absence | ForrestF, you want to send files with ssh? try scp, sftp or something |
| 06:30.55 | valdyn | ForrestF: then why the hell would you want to use zmodem over ssh? |
| 06:30.55 | GCS | [OT] question: If I have a path+filename, which command returns with only the filename part of it? |
| 06:30.57 | rata | When it is freeze i am not able to use it anny more |
| 06:31.08 | ForrestF | you got to give me something |
| 06:31.17 | ForrestF | its better then KERMIT |
| 06:31.59 | valdyn | ForrestF: maybe you're just trolling, if you aren't, read the docs about your ssh client on mac os 9 |
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| 06:32.29 | ForrestF | im just use to Putty |
| 06:32.32 | SimonRaven | scpclassic in mock 9. and it's shareware... |
| 06:32.39 | GlingGling | I was having some DMA problems with my harddrive while downloading the desktop package, and it went ahead with it and tried to install all the stuff. Then I went ahead and tried to uninstall the desktop package (and reinstall) but It apparently kept all the corrupted downloaded files. So somebody gave me the directory they said it downloads that stuff to. I went ahead and deleted it and now my apt-get/tasksel cannot uninstall an |
| 06:33.07 | GlingGling | Ohh yeah, is there a way to fix that? |
| 06:33.11 | SimonRaven | *hinthint* *cough* *debian* |
| 06:33.24 | valdyn | ForrestF: so use putty on mac os 9 |
| 06:33.45 | SimonRaven | wtf else would i suggest? ;) |
| 06:34.24 | GlingGling | At this point i'm considering starting over because I haven't a clue what to do and i'm not too far into it |
| 06:34.53 | ForrestF | Gling how old is your hardrive |
| 06:34.57 | GlingGling | but if somebody has any suggestions I'd like to try some things before taking the newbie way out |
| 06:34.59 | GlingGling | New |
| 06:35.01 | GlingGling | fairly |
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| 06:35.28 | ForrestF | some old hardrives dont have DMA |
| 06:35.30 | GlingGling | I kept getting DMA errors, bad seekcheck and crc |
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| 06:35.41 | GlingGling | I disabled DMA, but now I have this problem |
| 06:35.42 | ForrestF | you can give this a try |
| 06:35.46 | valdyn | GlingGling: i would indeed reinstall. |
| 06:35.47 | GlingGling | so I cannot move forward |
| 06:35.53 | ForrestF | " hdparm -d0 /dev/hda " |
| 06:36.07 | valdyn | GlingGling: you cannot tell what all is fucked due to your misfunctioning harddrive.. |
| 06:36.08 | FabParma | is there a way to have the timed login as root? |
| 06:36.09 | ForrestF | oh |
| 06:36.26 | ForrestF | you disabled DMA, try it with DMA |
| 06:36.50 | rata | FabParma, perhaps configuring sudo ? |
| 06:36.57 | Gumby | could anyone suggest why I am getting the following messages all the time in console... http://ultimate.kicks-ass.net/files/locales.txt |
| 06:36.59 | GlingGling | ok, hdparm was not found btw, will turning on DMA change that? |
| 06:37.01 | wwallace | i have locally mount a samba share but when i start playing music from there computr plays like for 2 minutes and crashes im using xmms to play i also tried amarok and the same thing happen any clues? |
| 06:37.07 | FabParma | rata: sudo? |
| 06:37.09 | SimonRaven | @installit |
| 06:37.10 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 06:37.28 | ottoaim | can someone point me in the direction of which package has secure rm? |
| 06:37.49 | rata | FabParma, you give sudo to an user, and you configure very well with "visudo" but i don't know if it is posiible to do |
| 06:38.18 | SimonRaven | of course it is |
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| 06:39.17 | ForrestF | yougot to love FAT mac programs that are only 600k |
| 06:39.38 | valdyn | Gumby: dpkg-reconfigure locales and then close currently used shells / consoles and open new ones. |
| 06:40.10 | Gumby | valdyn: would that also mean closing e17? |
| 06:40.35 | valdyn | Gumby: iirc no. |
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| 06:42.05 | AyamKampung | hi ppl, do i need to patch the kernel to build pptp server in the sarge ? |
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| 06:42.52 | Gumby | d'oh. sorry guys. e17 crashed |
| 06:43.00 | Gumby | missed your response (if any) |
| 06:43.18 | valdyn | Gumby: iirc no. |
| 06:43.40 | Gumby | thx valdyn |
| 06:43.42 | Gumby | brb |
| 06:44.08 | FabParma | rata: sudo is a program? |
| 06:44.08 | FabParma | now i understand |
| 06:44.08 | FabParma | rata: is like type su- password automatically at login |
| 06:44.08 | FabParma | rata: but the super user has not all the root rights |
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| 06:46.45 | yoshio_ | gcs: basename |
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| 06:47.29 | yoshio_ | absence: apt-get autoclean will clean up /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 06:48.54 | ForrestF | how much does linux go nuts if the year is wrong |
| 06:49.14 | valdyn | ForrestF: why would it go nuts at all if the year is wrong? |
| 06:49.15 | nico22 | hi... i have a question about the fam daemon... there are some times that it wake up and start doing something(i really dont know what) and consume a los of cpu... and i has a nice of 0... so it is not a "background running" daemon... it really consumes a lot of CPU(about 90% on an Athlon 2600+ XP)... why is this? is this really necesary, what function those this daemon has? |
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| 06:49.36 | ForrestF | my BIOS is not Y2K |
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| 06:49.50 | ForrestF | the computer thinks it 1921 |
| 06:49.51 | absence | yoshio_, i've tried that, dpkg --forget-old-unavail, and dpkg --clear-avail, but not much happened. maybe i just have too many packages installed :/ |
| 06:50.10 | valdyn | ForrestF: its not a problem at all. |
| 06:50.19 | valdyn | !time |
| 06:50.19 | dpkg | time is probably found on http://www.time.com/, or Sat Aug 6 06:50:15 2005 |
| 06:50.23 | valdyn | !ntp |
| 06:50.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 06:50.43 | n0op` | how can i change the x windows settings after it is installed? |
| 06:50.49 | valdyn | ForrestF: wrong time is not a problem, time running backwards is. |
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| 06:51.03 | ForrestF | ive had that happen b4 |
| 06:51.15 | nico22 | hi... i have a question about the fam daemon... there are some times that it wake up and start doing something(i really dont know what) and consume a los of cpu... and i has a nice of 0... so it is not a "background running" daemon... it really consumes a lot of CPU(about 90% on an Athlon 2600+ XP)... why is this? is this really necesary, what function those this daemon has? |
| 06:51.24 | valdyn | !drxx n0op` |
| 06:51.25 | dpkg | n0op`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:51.30 | yoshio_ | absence: are the fastest mirrors at the top of your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 06:51.52 | ForrestF | no there the slowest |
| 06:52.40 | valdyn | nico22: you could try gamin instead, unless you use kde. read its docs to see what it does. It does occasionally use alot of cpu, its just ugly imo. |
| 06:53.03 | absence | yoshio_, yes, but it's not the downloading that's slow (well, that too, but not much to do about it), but the actual installation/removal/upgrading of packages after they're downloaded |
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| 06:54.09 | valdyn | absence: you cant much tune that, it is slow, circumstantially having the dpkg database on a small partition ( which only occupies a fraction of your disk ) might speed it up. |
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| 06:55.12 | dcompiler | hmm, debian still using XFree86 and not Xorg? |
| 06:55.13 | nico22 | valdyn: i am using kde... and what it understand from the docs is that it offers the capability of checking for files alteration... but it really eat up all the cpu some times... for example i was installing some fonts on my box and suddenly famd firedup and the installation process collapses... i had to kill famd in order for the process to complete |
| 06:55.17 | absence | valdyn, ah.. where is it? /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
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| 06:55.25 | yoshio_ | ForrestF: type 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org' to set the date (if you have the ntpdate package installed). If you don't turn offf the computer, it won't use the bios date I think |
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| 06:55.52 | valdyn | nico22: fam sucks, check the bts for details i guess. its similiar for everyone using it i think. |
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| 06:56.23 | valdyn | absence: /var/lib/dpkg/* |
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| 06:57.23 | nico22 | valdyn: bts is the name of the replacing daemon for fam? |
| 06:57.27 | valdyn | nico22: if fam additionally has issues with certain filesystems - i wouldnt know about that though. |
| 06:57.37 | valdyn | !bts |
| 06:57.38 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 06:58.17 | valdyn | nico22: no, that is gamin, but kde requires fam itself ( still ) |
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| 06:59.02 | valdyn | nico22: the replacement should sometime be not a daemon but the kernel. not to soon, so dont wait for that... |
| 06:59.14 | nico22 | valdyn: so as i am using kde i have to stick to fam? |
| 06:59.21 | valdyn | nico22: yea |
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| 06:59.40 | nico22 | valdyn: fuck! |
| 06:59.53 | wwallace | i have locally mount a samba share but when i start playing music from there computr plays like for 2 minutes and crashes im using xmms to play i also tried amarok and the same thing happen any clues? |
| 07:00.22 | valdyn | wwallace: what crashes? |
| 07:00.35 | valdyn | wwallace: try a console player and see if it works better. |
| 07:00.37 | wwallace | first xmms then the whole system freezes |
| 07:00.52 | valdyn | wwallace: uname -r |
| 07:01.19 | wwallace | Host/Kernel/OS "kanotix_at_laptop" running Linux 2.6.13-kanotix-1 i686 [ KANOTIX 2005-04 LITE ] |
| 07:01.19 | wwallace | CPU Info Celeron (Coppermine) clocked at [766.831 Mhz] 1535.50 Bogomips |
| 07:01.19 | wwallace | Videocard Trident Microsystems CyberBlade i1 (rev 6a) X.Org 6.8.2 [ 1024x768 @75hz ] |
| 07:01.19 | wwallace | Network cards VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 30) |
| 07:01.19 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:01.36 | valdyn | haha |
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| 07:01.38 | wwallace | sorry |
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| 07:01.54 | exobyte | what does \d\c mean in CONNECT \d\c ? This is out of a chatscript |
| 07:02.09 | valdyn | wwallace: you're not using debian, and you are not even using an officially released kernel or a debian kernel, we can not and do not support that. |
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| 07:02.23 | wwallace | oh ok |
| 07:02.27 | wwallace | thanks anyway |
| 07:02.55 | yooseong | when is the ssh in the default pacakge for debian installation? |
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| 07:03.02 | valdyn | exobyte: its what your modem tells you when it connected. |
| 07:03.37 | ke6isf | yooseong: elaborate? |
| 07:03.40 | exobyte | valdyn: hmm |
| 07:03.44 | valdyn | exobyte: iows, the chatscript somehow 'waits' for the modem to connect. |
| 07:04.17 | yooseong | ke6isf yes |
| 07:04.19 | ke6isf | yooseong: I'm having trouble understanding. Can you please explain further? |
| 07:04.46 | SimonRaven | looks like glibc borked on ppc. wtf did they do to it? *SIGH*. |
| 07:04.57 | exobyte | valdyn: ok. I run the init line, then the OK-AT_OK "ATDT..." line, all manually, and I get CONNECT somespeed. I don't get a speed in my log file when I use pon |
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| 07:05.54 | yooseong | What is the first distribution in which the ssh is the default pacakge? |
| 07:05.54 | ke6isf | !gentoosmite gentooguy_ |
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| 07:06.30 | valdyn | exobyte: no idea really, the chatscropt should reasonable wait for "CONNECT <whatever><newline>" |
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| 07:06.56 | yooseong | ke6isf is you clear to what i mean? |
| 07:07.01 | valdyn | exobyte: so having different speed(s) cannot and should not confuse it. |
| 07:07.04 | render | hello... |
| 07:07.19 | ke6isf | yooseong: I'm sorry, I'm still not understanding. ssh is always installed when you install Debian by default. |
| 07:07.22 | exobyte | valdyn: it doesn't, but it just records CONNECT in the logfile |
| 07:07.36 | valdyn | exobyte: fine, so it connected. |
| 07:07.43 | render | # help |
| 07:07.46 | exobyte | valdyn: yeah, but I want to know the speed |
| 07:07.46 | render | #help |
| 07:07.55 | render | how can I get help on irc? |
| 07:08.12 | n0op` | if i wanted to install the package x-windows-system-core what else do i need to install for it to run? |
| 07:08.41 | yooseong | ke6isf When i installed the debian, I always use the unofficial image. thus I am sure when the ssh pacakge is default. That's it. Thanks ke6isf :> |
| 07:08.47 | valdyn | exobyte: no idea, maybe there's an AT command to check the current speed. |
| 07:08.51 | cahoot | render: just type a well crafted quetion |
| 07:08.58 | PaladinoFugace | Hello, can someone help me? I have just installed debian sarge. If I do ping www.google.com it works, but when I open a web browser it can't connect to google/internet. Do you know the reason? I did a port scan and it seems port 80 is not open by default. |
| 07:09.07 | yoshio_ | exobyte: you need to set your AT init string to tell your modem to send back the connect speed |
| 07:09.14 | render | what do you mean cahoot? |
| 07:09.18 | yooseong | i am not sure when the ssh is default. |
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| 07:09.42 | exobyte | valdyn: there is. I set it. When I manually walk through it, I get the speed |
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| 07:09.51 | valdyn | PaladinoFugace: if you cannot connect to google.com on port 80 but can ping it, that has nothing to do with debian but your gateway or firewall |
| 07:10.04 | ke6isf | yooseong: I think I understand a bit more. Which Debian are you running? |
| 07:10.33 | cahoot | render: try this '/msg dpkg ask to ask' |
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| 07:11.23 | Eclipser | weasel, ttick, thanks (heh, just a bit late :) |
| 07:11.26 | valdyn | exobyte: yea, i meant to issue a command to your modem manually to check the current speed after connecting. likely however ppp also has a debug switch to log all responses coming from the modem till connecting is finished. |
| 07:11.29 | rixth | The voice wait in #freenode is fucking stupid. Even after I donated, I still have to wait. |
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| 07:11.44 | Eclipser | I found some neat software which helps me to make regex stuff |
| 07:11.45 | render | thank you cahoot. |
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| 07:13.02 | yoshio_ | exobyte: try putting AT E1 V1 ahead of the phone number, the modem should echo back the connect speed |
| 07:13.16 | PaladinoFugace | valdyn: Thanks valdyn, do you mean my hardware firewall? I use it with windows 2000 and it works. So I think port 80 is open. Maybe then the gateway setting? So I should use 'ifconfig'? |
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| 07:13.47 | exobyte | yoshio_: I forgot- I had E0 set when I did it manually |
| 07:13.49 | FabParma | i would like autologin as root. is it possible? |
| 07:13.58 | exobyte | yoshio_: I did set V1, as well as X4 |
| 07:14.06 | valdyn | PaladinoFugace: i can only tell you that the error is not on the debian box, i know nothing else about your network. |
| 07:14.14 | SimonRaven | blah |
| 07:15.11 | valdyn | PaladinoFugace: which server responds btw, when you 'ping google.com' ? |
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| 07:15.24 | ohad | any postfix mavins here? #postfix seems to be asleep |
| 07:15.29 | ke6isf | FabParma: why in God's name would you want to do something like that? |
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| 07:15.45 | ke6isf | ohad: A touch, but only a touch. What do you need help with? |
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| 07:15.52 | FabParma | because i dont need at all |
| 07:15.53 | eka | hi all |
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| 07:16.24 | FabParma | ke6isf: because i dont need at all |
| 07:16.38 | eka | i had my server upgraded and qmail stop working cause a database problem |
| 07:16.42 | eka | it says |
| 07:16.57 | eka | BSB or something i didnt get the message its very late here |
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| 07:17.08 | PaladinoFugace | valdyn: I dont remember. I want to fix it but I know almost nothing about linux tools to configure network. Do you know a resource which address this kind of problems? The manual I found is quite generic for me. |
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| 07:17.26 | SimonRaven | FabParma: eew, you don't want that, trust me. problem waiting to happen, that |
| 07:17.26 | FabParma | ke6isf: the workstation is not online in more is closed into a room with key and only me i have the access |
| 07:17.28 | valdyn | PaladinoFugace: then ping google.com now and tell me which server responds... |
| 07:17.33 | ke6isf | FabParma: To do that is extremely foolish - you don't log in as root by default to prevent making stupid mistakes, because they can happen. |
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| 07:17.56 | SimonRaven | still, no security is perfect. to think so is naive (pardon no accents) |
| 07:18.03 | SimonRaven | FabParma: ^^^^ |
| 07:18.26 | hanasaki | can someone give me a hand w/ posftix and going to maildrop and maildir ? i am using the link http://www.postfix.org/MAILDROP_README.html but maildrop is sending ll mail to the /usr/spool/mail/username/mbox format |
| 07:18.56 | FabParma | i would like to know just if is it possible. i red about a command "passed -d" |
| 07:19.03 | PaladinoFugace | valdyn: www.l.google.com [66.249.85.104] but I pinged with windows 2000 since Im using it now |
| 07:19.26 | yoshio_ | PaladinoFugace type "telnet cnn.com 80", then type "GET /", you should get HTML output. do you see html? |
| 07:19.43 | valdyn | PaladinoFugace: alright, thats correct, i cant help you then. |
| 07:19.50 | yoshio_ | PaladinoFugace if so then the problem is elsewhere |
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| 07:20.32 | PaladinoFugace | yoshio_: Thx. but Im using windows right now. Is it the same? |
| 07:21.30 | PaladinoFugace | by the way when I tried a similar thing with debian (telnet) to another site I could get the html headers |
| 07:22.06 | SimonRaven | @tell FabParma -about sudo |
| 07:22.27 | SimonRaven | FabParma: config sudo, be happy and safer |
| 07:22.46 | PaladinoFugace | yoshio_: telnet cnn.com 80 under windows says: "connection to host lost" |
| 07:23.08 | SimonRaven | no big loss |
| 07:23.12 | SimonRaven | ;) |
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| 07:25.24 | exobyte | yoshio_: E1 didn't do it |
| 07:25.37 | linux__alien | anyone using KDE 3.4 on Debian Sarge? |
| 07:25.44 | rixth_ | !anyone |
| 07:25.44 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 07:26.21 | Eclipser | !polls |
| 07:26.22 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 07:26.25 | SimonRaven | there wouldn't be kde 3.4.x on sarge |
| 07:26.48 | linux__alien | SimonRaven, so that means only KDE 3.3.2 which would be the latest as of now right? |
| 07:26.51 | eka | i upgraded LDAP openldap and causes it uses a new kind of database it stop working is any way i can roll down, get the old version again back? |
| 07:26.57 | kofj | how to repeat a song in mplayer? |
| 07:27.12 | SimonRaven | linux__alien: for sarge, yes. since it's stable. there will be security updates, of course |
| 07:27.23 | yoshio_ | PaladinoFugace doesn't work in windows - that telnet won't take a port number |
| 07:27.35 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 07:27.37 | Eclipser | since when? |
| 07:27.49 | SimonRaven | eka: install the old binaries, dump the database to ldif, rm the old db, re-add the data from ldif |
| 07:27.54 | linux__alien | SimonRaven, but if i need KDE 3.4 on Debian should i move to SID or other? |
| 07:28.07 | SimonRaven | you don't need it. |
| 07:28.15 | SimonRaven | if you have to ask, don't |
| 07:28.15 | ke6isf | !iyhtays |
| 07:28.16 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 07:28.29 | SimonRaven | meegwetch :) |
| 07:28.43 | SimonRaven | (means thanks fyi) |
| 07:28.52 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Gladly. =^^= |
| 07:28.54 | ke6isf | !beer SimonRaven |
| 07:28.57 | yoshio_ | exobyte: how about Q0 or W2 . my modem probably has a non-volatile memory to save the init string |
| 07:28.57 | Eclipser | in what language? |
| 07:29.03 | SimonRaven | cree |
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| 07:29.20 | Eclipser | ewwwwwwwwwww |
| 07:29.26 | Eclipser | 11025Hz, 24kbps mp3 |
| 07:29.27 | eka | SimonRaven: why to rm the old db ? if i'm installin the old binaries? and where i get the old binaries from? |
| 07:29.31 | Eclipser | this is awful |
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| 07:29.36 | SimonRaven | wth |
| 07:29.37 | Linuxdogmatiker | Hi |
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| 07:30.03 | SimonRaven | eka: uh, snapshot.debian.net. and why aren't you making backups? |
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| 07:31.29 | PaladinoFugace | yoshio_, valdyn: thx. I want to try switching to debian and maybe use xchat to connect |
| 07:32.12 | eka | SimonRaveb: got a disaster |
| 07:32.32 | SimonRaven | no kidding |
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| 07:32.44 | linux__alien | SimonRaven, I am currently using Fedora Core 4 which is really good with KDE 3. 4 and i want KDE 3. 4 on Debian too and this alone is stopping me from installing Sarge |
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| 07:33.12 | linux__alien | so could some one help me ? is there some solution for this problem? |
| 07:33.16 | SimonRaven | if that's what "stopping" you then either install etch or stay with fc |
| 07:33.23 | terr_ | I need some help on find. I keep getting "missing argument to -exec anyone here who is up on esoteric finds |
| 07:33.43 | ke6isf | linux__alien: Is it that important to have KDE 3.4? |
| 07:34.20 | linux__alien | ke6isf, its not important i would say but having it is really good i would say after having used KDE 3.4 on FC4 |
| 07:34.44 | linux__alien | ke6isf, i am using it on FC4 its good so i just need your help :-) |
| 07:34.52 | ke6isf | linux__alien: So it's an interface preference, nothing more. |
| 07:34.57 | linux__alien | to get the same working on Sarge |
| 07:35.06 | linux__alien | ke6isf, absolutely |
| 07:35.08 | linux__alien | right |
| 07:35.09 | ke6isf | linux__alien: SimonRaven has the best advice. Install etch. I won't touch KDE if I don't have to, so I can't help. |
| 07:35.13 | SimonRaven | oh come on there's no real difference excpet the version number and the types of bugs in it ;) |
| 07:35.17 | yoshio_ | terr_: add a "\;" to the end of your statement |
| 07:35.36 | linux__alien | ke6isf, etch ? whats that |
| 07:35.51 | ke6isf | !etch |
| 07:35.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 07:36.16 | SimonRaven | woody == oldstable, sarge == stable, etch == testing |
| 07:36.33 | Eclipser | sid == unstable |
| 07:36.37 | ke6isf | linux__alien: It's varying stability from what I understand; I don't necessarily trust it, but I'm not willing to dist-upgrade yet. |
| 07:36.45 | SimonRaven | woody == oldstable, sarge == stable, etch == testing, sid == unstable. sid will always be unstable |
| 07:36.53 | SimonRaven | that's it in entirety |
| 07:37.10 | yoshio_ | terr_: like find . -name vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-686 -exec ls -l {} \; |
| 07:37.12 | terr_ | yoshio yup - fixed. |
| 07:37.16 | Eclipser | if I recall, sid had some other name ages ago? I might be wrong though :) |
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| 07:37.41 | SimonRaven | uh, well, long story... |
| 07:37.41 | terr_ | I just used ; adn not \; I did try escaping everything else |
| 07:38.11 | terr_ | find dat/* -exec mv {} {}f \; <-------- worked |
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| 07:38.57 | ke6isf | !hr |
| 07:38.57 | dpkg | from memory, hr is Croatia |
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| 07:39.14 | ke6isf | Hmm... Gene Rayburn was Croatian. |
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| 07:39.20 | SimonRaven | what? |
| 07:39.22 | ohad | any postfix mavins here? #postfix seems to be asleep |
| 07:39.23 | Eclipser | who's that |
| 07:39.23 | linux__alien | !h |
| 07:39.23 | dpkg | h is plank's constant or 6.625*10^-34 J*s. It's also the file extension of header files. (Note that h with crossed bar has 2pi in it...) |
| 07:39.30 | mattfury | hi all |
| 07:39.34 | linux__alien | !kde |
| 07:39.34 | dpkg | kde is, like, a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.1. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it to #debian-kde |
| 07:39.37 | SimonRaven | ooh |
| 07:39.42 | Eclipser | linux__alien, talk to it in private |
| 07:39.43 | FabParma | how to syncronize the root desktop with the normal user desktop? |
| 07:39.43 | mattfury | any ways i can help would greatly appreciated :P |
| 07:39.46 | nkuttler | linux__alien: /msg dpkg bot |
| 07:39.46 | SimonRaven | Croatia (Hrvatska) hr hrv 191 |
| 07:39.51 | SimonRaven | oops, sorry |
| 07:39.54 | ke6isf | Eclipser: A deceased game show host; most well known for hosting a panel show called Match Game in the 1970s. |
| 07:40.08 | nkuttler | FabParma: what do you mean? |
| 07:40.29 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Only noted that because another user came in, and I did !hr. |
| 07:40.36 | ke6isf | ohad: I already offered my help. What do you need? |
| 07:40.42 | Eclipser | ke6isf, I noticed |
| 07:40.44 | mattfury | mmm orbital... |
| 07:40.47 | SimonRaven | got my cctlds mixed up =) |
| 07:40.57 | FabParma | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.58 | ohad | ke6isf, thx. didn't see your comment... |
| 07:41.06 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Aside from that, I'm a touch sleepy. |
| 07:41.13 | SimonRaven | FabParma: why? |
| 07:41.30 | ___libertine | did any body know how to add the font to qt. |
| 07:41.30 | ohad | ke6isf, i just get the msg SASL LOGIN authentication failed |
| 07:41.38 | technos | God, The Match Game.. I haven't seen that since I was a small child. |
| 07:41.43 | SimonRaven | never run x as root. man, you're just asking for punishment, aren't you |
| 07:41.44 | Eclipser | I should sleep too, but not because I'm sleepy... damn flu :< |
| 07:41.55 | ohad | ke6isf, my problem is sending mail from a remote user. i can imap |
| 07:41.57 | ke6isf | technos: It lives on in glory on Game Show Network, complete with Brett's bad blouses. |
| 07:42.33 | ke6isf | ohad: I'm going to fold right here, not being familiar with SASL. Sorry. |
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| 07:43.06 | SimonRaven | ohad: why are you using LOGIN anyway? |
| 07:43.07 | mattfury | SimonRaven: im not quite with this story, why shouldnt i run x as root? |
| 07:43.31 | ke6isf | mattfury: In short, it's suicide. |
| 07:43.37 | Zap-W | lib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified , how do i add "root" to connect? |
| 07:43.40 | ohad | SimonRaven, i've tried LOGIN and PLAIN |
| 07:43.46 | technos | ke6isf: I refuse to watch that, simple because odds are I will lose my sight the instant I tune in and see Bob Barker in all his polyester glory. |
| 07:43.47 | mattfury | ke6isf: details? |
| 07:43.53 | SimonRaven | you have a large setuid binary running with who knows what kind of bugs in the various things that run in it. that's just asking for trouble |
| 07:43.54 | ohad | ke6isf, thx anyway |
| 07:43.55 | valdyn | Zap-W: use sux or sudo to become root |
| 07:44.06 | nkuttler | Zap-W: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 07:44.06 | ohad | SimonRaven, fatal: open /etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf: No such file or directory |
| 07:44.10 | SimonRaven | ohad: PLAIN is worse. |
| 07:44.17 | mattfury | login as normal user: |
| 07:44.17 | SimonRaven | ohad: #postfix |
| 07:44.17 | ohad | SimonRaven, while that directory is there |
| 07:44.21 | mattfury | su |
| 07:44.25 | mattfury | root passwd |
| 07:44.33 | ohad | SimonRaven, no one there |
| 07:44.43 | SimonRaven | not my fault |
| 07:44.50 | ohad | SimonRaven, actually 108 ppl are there but there are asleep |
| 07:44.51 | ke6isf | mattfury: Running as root offers you the continuous opportunity to shoot yourself in the foot big time. It's as I told another user on channel, people make stupid mistakes - and not being root constantly prevents you from having dumbass attacks. |
| 07:45.01 | SimonRaven | well then, wait |
| 07:45.26 | ke6isf | mattfury: This is specifically because, as root, you have other permissions that the regular users don't have - and unless you need those permissions, it's a Bad Thing to be root. |
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| 07:46.15 | SimonRaven | "with great power come great responsibility" |
| 07:46.27 | mattfury | well it makes sense |
| 07:46.31 | shulik | hi |
| 07:46.35 | terr_ | does anyone know how to cypher a file? |
| 07:46.35 | ke6isf | Hello shulik |
| 07:46.40 | technos | When you shoot yourself as a user, oh well. You get to pick the bb out of your foot. Shoot yourself as root? Hope ya have backups! |
| 07:46.44 | shulik | is anybody speak russian? |
| 07:46.46 | mattfury | all windows users on a pc are administrators unless specified :P |
| 07:46.48 | ke6isf | terr_: You mean encrypt? |
| 07:46.51 | terr_ | ya |
| 07:46.51 | Zap-W | nvtv |
| 07:46.51 | Zap-W | Segmentation fault |
| 07:46.56 | valdyn | !russian |
| 07:46.56 | dpkg | russian is, like, Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 07:47.06 | shulik | :) |
| 07:47.09 | shulik | 10x |
| 07:47.11 | terr_ | ke6isf: both en and den |
| 07:47.25 | ke6isf | terr_: gnupg. |
| 07:47.39 | ke6isf | terr_: Read the man pages and be enlightened. |
| 07:47.44 | terr_ | ke6isf: do I do a mn on it? |
| 07:47.56 | ke6isf | mn? |
| 07:48.02 | SimonRaven | mn? |
| 07:48.17 | mattfury | this is the way i figure the road to freedom: |
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| 07:48.33 | terr_ | ke6isf: I need really strong encryption |
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| 07:48.47 | ke6isf | terr_: I say again, gnupg. |
| 07:48.52 | mattfury | mandriva (n00b) -> fc4 (not as noob) -> deb (intermediate) -> gentoo (expert) |
| 07:48.56 | SimonRaven | windows is a r00t hole waiting to happen. i mean there's proof that it'll get r00ted withing 15 minutes of hitting the 'net. how much more do you want? |
| 07:48.59 | terr_ | ke6isf: it doesn't say much. |
| 07:49.05 | ke6isf | !gnupg |
| 07:49.05 | dpkg | hmm... gnupg is the gnu privacy guard, a free replacement for PGP. at http://www.gnupg.org/ |
| 07:49.08 | SimonRaven | POS |
| 07:49.10 | Eclipser | mattfury, ehh |
| 07:49.39 | SimonRaven | gentoo expert? at what, compiling things? |
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| 07:49.43 | rutski89 | hi all |
| 07:49.52 | mattfury | SimonRaven: fiddling |
| 07:49.57 | mattfury | :P |
| 07:50.08 | ke6isf | terr_: Lacking that, 'info gnupg' |
| 07:50.10 | SimonRaven | bullshit |
| 07:50.24 | terr_ | ke6isf: I read that already. I'm looking for a command line tool that will encrypt a file possibly with RSA 1024 |
| 07:50.45 | technos | When did they take the 4.4BSD encrypt/decrypt crap out of Debian.. |
| 07:50.49 | SDFH_Linux | i was hacked in less than 10 min on a windows xp machine |
| 07:51.04 | SDFH_Linux | fresh install on a friends computer |
| 07:51.05 | terr_ | technos: I didn't know they did this |
| 07:51.13 | mattfury | technos: since it was crap? :P |
| 07:51.14 | Eclipser | SDFH_Linux, PEBCAK |
| 07:51.22 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Heh, big time. |
| 07:51.26 | terr_ | SDFH_Linux: haha - good going my friend |
| 07:51.41 | SimonRaven | well, i won't get into it now, but i haven't wanted to install anything else and i've fiddled a lot with debian. |
| 07:51.44 | SDFH_Linux | horrible |
| 07:51.50 | mattfury | i hear gentoo is getting an installer :D *excited* |
| 07:52.04 | terr_ | man gpg |
| 07:52.04 | SimonRaven | oooh |
| 07:52.05 | mattfury | ohh wait this is deb... |
| 07:52.07 | ke6isf | SDFH_Linux: Calm down, it's OK. Hopefully it turned said friend off to Windoze. |
| 07:52.08 | mattfury | :P |
| 07:52.11 | technos | mattfury: It was not crap! It was useful. encrypt <file> <password>.. Keeps nosy users out of your crap in a world readable home environment! |
| 07:52.13 | SimonRaven | hahaha |
| 07:52.22 | SDFH_Linux | yes it did it shocked him |
| 07:52.38 | Eclipser | hehheh |
| 07:52.45 | SimonRaven | SDFH_Linux: i'm not surprised |
| 07:53.02 | Eclipser | you're not supposed to have network cable plugged when installing windows :) |
| 07:53.03 | mattfury | technos: all the encryption in the world and you still cant set a screensaver passwd? |
| 07:53.17 | Eclipser | and have firewall/antivirus software on CD or something :) |
| 07:53.22 | technos | There's a damn good reason SP1/SP2 are easily slipstreamable. |
| 07:53.22 | mattfury | Eclipser: ops :P |
| 07:53.27 | SDFH_Linux | sad to pay for an os like that and for it to be like that |
| 07:53.30 | mattfury | i do everytime .... |
| 07:53.34 | terr_ | ke6isf: in the middle ages religeous groups shot people who would not covert to the right religeon |
| 07:53.52 | ke6isf | terr_: And that has what to do with the price of magnesium? |
| 07:53.55 | mattfury | let's all shoot windows! |
| 07:54.01 | mattfury | (hehehhe) |
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| 07:54.28 | ke6isf | I don't have a choice at work. =( |
| 07:54.35 | terr_ | ke6isf: should I check the futures markets? |
| 07:54.36 | shulik | can somebody help me with package building? |
| 07:54.44 | mattfury | hey how do i install the drivers during install (ati drivers) |
| 07:54.52 | cahoot | why shoot widows - according to opinions expressed here it's quite suicidal anyway |
| 07:54.53 | mattfury | *eek* |
| 07:55.02 | cahoot | heh - windows |
| 07:55.08 | terr_ | ke6isf: you are correct - they hacked them to death because they didn't yet have better technology. |
| 07:55.12 | technos | terr_: Nope. Guns are an invention the Crusades thankfully didn't feature.. |
| 07:55.16 | SimonRaven | mattfury: the kernel ones are nice |
| 07:55.18 | mattfury | i wonder why M$ doesnt have a irc channel? |
| 07:55.27 | terr_ | technos: ALready said that! |
| 07:55.27 | Eclipser | !tell mattfury about ati drivers |
| 07:55.30 | af_ | the have on msn chat |
| 07:55.44 | mattfury | SimonRaven: has it been included? :D |
| 07:55.49 | ke6isf | terr_: What technos said. They used more sensible weapons. Like blades. |
| 07:55.49 | terr_ | how strong is gpg? |
| 07:56.07 | SimonRaven | mattfury: oh, older stuff sure. fglrx or whatever i hear is a pita |
| 07:56.12 | terr_ | ke6isf: I already debugged that error and announced same. |
| 07:56.16 | Eclipser | pita? |
| 07:56.19 | ke6isf | terr_: Ah, didn't see it. |
| 07:56.22 | ke6isf | !pgp |
| 07:56.22 | dpkg | well, pgp is a non-free public-key encryption program available from nonUS.debian.org, which will hopefully soon be superseded by the GNU Privacy Guard, GPG. or at http://www.pgpi.com or at MIT http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html |
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| 07:56.23 | mattfury | 9250? |
| 07:56.26 | SimonRaven | @pita |
| 07:56.26 | ravenbird | methinks pita is pain in the ass, or what's usually for supper :) |
| 07:56.31 | Eclipser | bah |
| 07:56.33 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 07:56.35 | Eclipser | my fglrx works fine |
| 07:56.42 | terr_ | ke6isf: no worries my friend. Thanx for the help b4!!! |
| 07:56.45 | terr_ | how strong is gpg? |
| 07:56.49 | ke6isf | terr_: Since gpg is a free variant of PGP, and PGP stands for Pretty Good Privacy, there you go. |
| 07:56.49 | SimonRaven | i guess it depends on the card |
| 07:56.59 | technos | terr_: GPG can be configured to use a key and algorithm so computationally complex to crack it is for all intents and purposes indefeatable. |
| 07:57.01 | Eclipser | eclipser@fastpoke:~$ fgl_glxgears |
| 07:57.01 | Eclipser | 2097 frames in 5.0 seconds = 419.400 FPS |
| 07:57.07 | mattfury | Eclipser: 3D games though? *e.g. tux racer or wolfenstein et* |
| 07:57.14 | Eclipser | mattfury, those too |
| 07:57.16 | SimonRaven | cool, so it works for you |
| 07:57.25 | ke6isf | terr_: It is, in short, pretty well armor plated. |
| 07:57.27 | terr_ | ke6isf: that doesn't tell me enough. I want something that will take 1000 years to crack (like the girl of your dreams eh?) |
| 07:57.35 | mattfury | Eclipser: no driver installs? |
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| 07:57.43 | SimonRaven | ke6isf: let's not get into quantum computing ;) |
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| 07:58.08 | suppaman | hi there |
| 07:58.11 | Eclipser | mattfury, I'm using ATI's drivers, not the kernel ones :) |
| 07:58.15 | mattfury | terr_: the passw0rd is: ¦ |
| 07:58.22 | Eclipser | mattfury, check what dpkg told you in private |
| 07:58.25 | SimonRaven | fartfish |
| 07:58.31 | khai | hi |
| 07:58.32 | terr_ | technos: I need to encrypt a file and I've not done this before. I'm working with openSSL and need to do some testing. I'm just looking for some basics at this point. |
| 07:58.34 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Heh =^^= |
| 07:58.38 | SimonRaven | heh heh heh |
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| 07:58.51 | mattfury | does the shell installer work? |
| 07:58.52 | Eclipser | glxgears looks so slow when it runs at 2700FPS |
| 07:59.00 | mattfury | it's just real crap |
| 07:59.16 | terr_ | mattfury: haha - I always figured the password is ({}) |
| 07:59.18 | khai | hi there |
| 07:59.21 | mattfury | that ATi get drivers (no drivers in linux) and then submit |
| 07:59.23 | ke6isf | geh, it's 01:00. I should be in bed. |
| 07:59.32 | suppaman | no really |
| 07:59.35 | mattfury | terr_: |
| 07:59.37 | SimonRaven | late here too, 4:00 |
| 07:59.38 | suppaman | it is 10 AM |
| 07:59.39 | mattfury | \/ |
| 07:59.42 | mattfury | / |
| 07:59.44 | mattfury | \ |
| 07:59.46 | suppaman | just woke up |
| 07:59.56 | terr_ | mattfury: ha! |
| 08:00.04 | mattfury | 6pm |
| 08:00.14 | mattfury | \o/ |
| 08:00.18 | mattfury | /\ |
| 08:00.19 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.22 | mattfury | aww :( |
| 08:00.34 | mattfury | \o/ |
| 08:00.35 | SimonRaven | / \ |
| 08:00.38 | mattfury | / \ |
| 08:00.43 | Eclipser | stop that |
| 08:00.46 | SimonRaven | missing body |
| 08:00.47 | mattfury | yo nick is too biggy :) |
| 08:00.53 | terr_ | Oh gawd - ascii art!!! |
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| 08:00.56 | SimonRaven | fits here |
| 08:01.26 | ke6isf | mattfury: What time zone are you in right now? |
| 08:01.35 | mattfury | www.linuxchix.org lol <-- your new gf |
| 08:01.44 | mattfury | gmt 10+ |
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| 08:01.53 | ke6isf | mattfury: Ah, it's dinner time for you. |
| 08:01.55 | mattfury | "I seem smart but am not " |
| 08:02.04 | mattfury | 6pm dinner? |
| 08:02.08 | mattfury | australia? |
| 08:02.11 | technos | So long as it isn't another bout of ascii penises, or an aalib interpretation of goatse, I can deal with it. |
| 08:02.12 | terr_ | I still have not found out a simple one line way to encrypt a simple file. I suppose I am going to have to go read 1000 pages of docs. |
| 08:02.17 | mattfury | o_0 |
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| 08:02.31 | mattfury | uhh i should stop trolling / spamming |
| 08:02.36 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 08:02.42 | nkuttler | terr_: apt-get install gnupg? |
| 08:02.52 | ke6isf | terr_: You are wise. |
| 08:03.40 | mattfury | 6 minutes left @ 52kb/s (512/128kbps) (0.5/0.1mbps) |
| 08:03.56 | mattfury | cant wait for adsl2 *slobbers* |
| 08:04.46 | Eclipser | student appartment :) |
| 08:04.49 | mattfury | Eclipser: you wouldnt mind lan'ing that connection? :P |
| 08:04.51 | SimonRaven | aaah :) |
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| 08:05.16 | SimonRaven | uni pipes are FAT |
| 08:05.23 | Eclipser | yeah |
| 08:05.34 | terr_ | ke6isf> terr_: You are wise. <---- what do you mean? |
| 08:05.41 | SimonRaven | i'm a short ssh session away from a uni pipe |
| 08:05.46 | Lwis | I have a debian machine with a little problem. When I ping my ip 193.219.149.119 I get a reply from another ip. Did anyone have such a problem? |
| 08:05.49 | SimonRaven | actually, 2 |
| 08:05.58 | ke6isf | terr_: Common wisdom is that if you still don't understand, the docs are the first place to look for the answers to your questions. |
| 08:06.09 | ke6isf | terr_: In short, RTFM. |
| 08:06.13 | mattfury | im using windows atm ... ewwwwwwwwww.... |
| 08:06.17 | render | hello |
| 08:06.21 | mattfury | need deb! |
| 08:06.24 | ke6isf | Hello render |
| 08:06.31 | ke6isf | mattfury: You have my condolences. |
| 08:06.41 | SimonRaven | @comfort mattfury |
| 08:06.41 | ravenbird | There, there, mattfury. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:06.54 | terr_ | ke6isf: Well I know that - and the docs are crap and I"ve been trying to get a multimillion dollr biz going to write good docs. |
| 08:07.08 | mattfury | luckily im not gay ... |
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| 08:07.15 | mattfury | *quirks* |
| 08:07.17 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 08:07.22 | render | any reference to work out irc? |
| 08:07.25 | render | I am totally new. |
| 08:07.37 | Eclipser | huh? |
| 08:07.40 | ke6isf | render: work out irc? 'splain? |
| 08:07.42 | SimonRaven | eh? |
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| 08:08.10 | terr_ | ke6isf: I can show you good docs. I can show you docs clients raved about and paid me over $100 an hour to produce... well I lie. They asked how long for the docs and I said by noon and they would ahve paid me an extra $10,000 for them |
| 08:08.19 | ke6isf | terr_: OK. Gen a keypair (check --help for assistance), and use this to encrypt your files. You can probably figure it out from context. |
| 08:08.25 | render | I mean, to make irc work out for me . |
| 08:08.34 | mattfury | man i wish winamp had a linux port ... |
| 08:08.42 | SimonRaven | you mean an irc faw or something? |
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| 08:08.46 | mattfury | (if you didnt know im an avs artist) |
| 08:08.49 | SimonRaven | er, faq* |
| 08:09.05 | ke6isf | render: Well, this is Debian. Are you curious about Debian Linux? |
| 08:09.08 | mattfury | render: rtfm in other words |
| 08:09.14 | terr_ | ke6isf: I know what a keypair is. I want a short cut. And I'm drinking a glass of wine tonight because it is 2AM here |
| 08:09.16 | mattfury | man "subject" |
| 08:09.21 | mattfury | in a terminal |
| 08:09.22 | nkuttler | render: google irc howto, irc newbie etc... |
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| 08:09.36 | render | thank you, you guy are so warmhearted. |
| 08:09.41 | terr_ | ke6isf: sure - I can do all the work - I was hoping to avoid that. |
| 08:09.44 | terr_ | :-) |
| 08:09.45 | Eclipser | mattfury, you could try running winamp with wine :) |
| 08:10.02 | mattfury | render: /msg username message, /join #channel_name, |
| 08:10.07 | ke6isf | terr_: Then 'gpg -e filename', I suspect. I've never used it to encrypt files. |
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| 08:10.33 | render | thank you mattfury, you gimme the first 2. |
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| 08:10.58 | Eclipser | render, /help |
| 08:11.01 | mattfury | just go help, or f1 |
| 08:11.05 | mattfury | and read it .. :P |
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| 08:11.26 | mattfury | Eclipser: wine doesnt frame it together properly :( |
| 08:11.35 | mattfury | because of the xml formatting :( |
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| 08:12.10 | terr_ | ke6isf: no worries. I/we can take this up another day. I have reasons to need to be using openSSL and I want to send a sensitive doc to my GF and she knows dick all about computers and security and so forth (being a teacher and all) What I need to do is simple and I know the NSA records everything from me because I have them in my server logs. |
| 08:13.07 | ke6isf | terr_: Never underestimate the security of FedEx then. =^^= |
| 08:13.07 | mattfury | terr_: send the encrypted file (with instructions?) |
| 08:13.30 | ke6isf | terr_: If it's so secure to require lock and key, registered mail is also an option. |
| 08:13.33 | mattfury | =^_________________^= |
| 08:13.52 | ke6isf | And with that, I must sleep. |
| 08:13.59 | mattfury | :P |
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| 08:14.37 | mattfury | aww i need a rw cd |
| 08:15.14 | mattfury | what else could i store on a deb live -cd? |
| 08:15.21 | n0op | how can i change the screen resolution in x? |
| 08:15.42 | render | anybody tell me how to see the other channels on this server? |
| 08:15.52 | mattfury | render: /list |
| 08:15.54 | nkuttler | n0op: /msg dpkg resolution |
| 08:15.59 | n0op | tank u |
| 08:16.02 | technos | render: You don't want to use /list. :) |
| 08:16.04 | terr_ | ke6isf: I need to learn how to do this - that is all. |
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| 08:16.12 | mattfury | heh' |
| 08:16.41 | SimonRaven | terr_: mixmaster, nym, email. google for that |
| 08:17.10 | terr_ | SimonRaven: can you decode? |
| 08:17.18 | mattfury | render: google for distro's and #distroname |
| 08:17.31 | SimonRaven | terr_: search keywords |
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| 08:17.59 | terr_ | SimonRaven: OH.... I do think if this when I get frustrated. |
| 08:18.07 | n0op | nkuttler i got an error msg when i tried /msg dpkg resolution |
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| 08:18.23 | SimonRaven | terr_: ok |
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| 08:18.36 | mattfury | 2432 / 2483 channels |
| 08:19.04 | ReleaseX | when i start tuxracer from a terminal the sound works fine, when i start it from a gnome menu icon i just made, there is not sound, any idea where i'm going wrong |
| 08:19.08 | n0op | nkuttler: error was no such file or directory |
| 08:19.19 | terr_ | I'm giving up on encrypting this file this evening. I've got the man pgs open on gpg |
| 08:19.31 | mattfury | ReleaseX: maybe you added an extra option? |
| 08:19.46 | SimonRaven | ReleaseX: differing options. see the menu file |
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| 08:20.17 | PaladinoFugace | valdyn, I'm connected using debian xchat now, but I still cannot open web pages via browser. I see that sometimes I get as address resolution 1.0.0.0 |
| 08:20.37 | SimonRaven | oi |
| 08:20.50 | ReleaseX | mattfury, simonraven, i'm not exactly sure what you mean |
| 08:20.51 | mattfury | PaladinoFugace: right click on link |
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| 08:22.04 | Akatemik | ReleaseX: The menu icon might use some options, check the exact command it runs. |
| 08:22.24 | mattfury | ReleaseX: uhh right click on the gnome menu icon / options |
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| 08:23.23 | ReleaseX | the command it runs is tuxracer |
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| 08:24.40 | [timmeh] | hi, is there anyway I can isntall a exe setup file in debian so i can extract a file from it? |
| 08:24.45 | render | accel |
| 08:25.11 | [timmeh] | because I cant upload the 1gb file manualy |
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| 08:25.29 | PaladinoFugace | Hey guys, here is my problem: Im using debian right now and ping and similar tools work. However when I try to open a web pages, the browser can connect. If I do 'telnet cnn.com 80' and then 'GET' works |
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| 08:25.51 | PaladinoFugace | can't connect |
| 08:25.54 | technos | [timmeh]: Most of those things are simple zip files with a extractor header on em. Try unzip on it, or unsfx failing that |
| 08:26.11 | hanasaki | how an i have postfix use maildrop to use virutal users and put mail in /maildirecorry/recipientname/Maildir ? |
| 08:26.32 | Rickyx | PaladinoFugace: Is the browser configured for a proxy ? |
| 08:26.41 | [timmeh] | ok thanx |
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| 08:28.22 | PaladinoFugace | Rickyx, no it shows "direct connection to internet". Im using ADSL and a netgear 632 modem/router |
| 08:28.37 | technos | How could you take a reasonably choice nick like Gumby and not have your part message be "Oh no, Mister Hand!" |
| 08:28.41 | [timmeh] | unsfx? |
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| 08:29.45 | [timmeh] | technos what do you mean by unsfx? |
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| 08:29.53 | technos | [timmeh]: It's a reasonably popular compression format. I don't think the compression tools to touch it are in Debian anymore now that I think about it.. |
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| 08:30.13 | [timmeh] | yea, i searched pakages for it and couldnt find it |
| 08:30.27 | JohnnyST | Where can I see what security updates are pending for debian? |
| 08:30.28 | [timmeh] | freya@debian:/home/ragfiles$ unzip SAK_SETUP0329.exe |
| 08:30.28 | [timmeh] | Archive: SAK_SETUP0329.exe |
| 08:30.28 | [timmeh] | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.28 | [timmeh] | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.28 | [timmeh] | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.29 | [timmeh] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.31 | fyrestrtr | can anyone tell me how much space does a base Debian non-X install takeup? |
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| 08:30.47 | [timmeh] | sorry |
| 08:30.50 | [timmeh] | that was ment to be 1 long line |
| 08:31.00 | [timmeh] | not heaps of rows =) |
| 08:31.12 | nkuttler | [timmeh]: /msg dpkg paste |
| 08:31.58 | nkuttler | fyrestrtr: a few hundred MB |
| 08:32.15 | paster | "timmeh" at 202.63.36.142 pasted "error with unzip" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/452 |
| 08:32.17 | technos | [timmeh]: Then it's not one of the ones with the obviously thin extractor header, it might be a cab file. |
| 08:32.24 | [timmeh] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:33.00 | [timmeh] | its a installation for a game, so i assume they will use something like install shield |
| 08:33.03 | technos | m[timmeh]: There's a package called "orange" that supposedly rips abart cab installers. |
| 08:33.13 | fyrestrtr | nkuttler: if I already have another distribution running on /, and I have my /home and other directories mounted elsewhere (different drives) can I install Debian and have it work with my other directories? They are all ext3. |
| 08:34.09 | [timmeh] | installing it |
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| 08:34.34 | nkuttler | fyrestrtr: hm? like sharing /etc? or /boot? |
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| 08:34.44 | emurz | how can I edit some configs in my kernel |
| 08:34.45 | pharm | topic |
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| 08:34.50 | pharm | oops |
| 08:34.57 | nkuttler | emurz: /msg dpkg kp, make menuconfig |
| 08:34.58 | fyrestrtr | nkuttler: not sharing, taking over. |
| 08:35.07 | nkuttler | 'taking over'? |
| 08:35.11 | eka | how to make courier imap to work with userdb instead of ldap |
| 08:35.11 | fyrestrtr | nkuttler: basically mount them again in Debian in /etc/fstab. |
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| 08:35.36 | fyrestrtr | I want to install Debian on / and then have my other drives mounted correctly, so I don't lose any information. |
| 08:35.46 | nkuttler | fyrestrtr: i don't think that's a smart thing to do. |
| 08:35.55 | nkuttler | fyrestrtr: what kind of information are you talking about? |
| 08:36.04 | fyrestrtr | just /home |
| 08:36.10 | fyrestrtr | nothing like /etc or /var |
| 08:36.11 | nkuttler | fyrestrtr: yeah, you can mount that |
| 08:36.13 | liable | fyrestrtr: /home would be ok. |
| 08:36.24 | fyrestrtr | I don't care about /etc or /var of it it wipes out / completely. |
| 08:36.33 | nkuttler | fyrestrtr: some apps may complain, but that's not a real problem |
| 08:36.45 | fyrestrtr | Well I'm going to reinstall the apps again. |
| 08:37.02 | fyrestrtr | basically, my concern is that if it doesn't mount my /home directory, I'm really going to be in the pits. |
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| 08:37.21 | asad2k5 | Is it possible to setup 2 NIC cards to one ADSL connection i.e internet and will it increase band width |
| 08:37.29 | nkuttler | fyrestrtr: no, that will be fine, just don't format the drive :) |
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| 08:37.42 | cahoot | fyrestrtr: got your loginname generation issue sorted? |
| 08:37.43 | fyrestrtr | asad2k5: it won't increase your bandwidth. |
| 08:37.58 | asad2k5 | I tried but both seems to default to port 67 |
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| 08:38.13 | fyrestrtr | cahoot: not really. Its marked as 'wontfix' in the bug db ;) |
| 08:38.18 | Wangster | Hola :P |
| 08:38.33 | asad2k5 | fyrestrtr, but will they work both as DHCB |
| 08:38.51 | fyrestrtr | asad2k5: you are still sharing one out going connection from your ISP. |
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| 08:39.07 | fyrestrtr | so if your ISP is giving you 128, you'll still have 128. |
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| 08:39.22 | Wangster | Long time user of debian, looking to do some odd networking and use a debain machine as a router/firewall anyone think they can help me? :) |
| 08:39.23 | cahoot | fyrestrtr: meh - me felt so smug with the 'solution' |
| 08:39.31 | wolaopa | what's the command to determine the version of a file? |
| 08:39.50 | fyrestrtr | cahoot: well it was nice, and I added it to the comments, but the project got derailed to another component. |
| 08:40.04 | nkuttler | Wangster: /msg dpkg ask |
| 08:40.05 | technos | wolaopa: Version? For an executable, tack --version to the end of it. :) |
| 08:40.43 | asad2k5 | but will they work as DHCP, they seem to try getting IP from router from same port, the first got IP ok but second one fails |
| 08:40.51 | wolaopa | technos, for non-exe type. |
| 08:41.05 | fyrestrtr | asad2k5: so now its a DHCP problem? |
| 08:41.07 | Wangster | Got a DSL line and a Cable modem, want the Linux/bsd boxes to go out on the DSL line, windows out ont he cable, However, I want to be able to access the linux machines with out going out |
| 08:41.37 | suppaman | bye |
| 08:41.46 | asad2k5 | I got your messege ragarding badwidth but the second problem is DHCP |
| 08:41.54 | liable | Wangster: thats a windows configuration then. |
| 08:42.04 | Wangster | ... uhm what? |
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| 08:42.11 | A64 | LSorensen :) |
| 08:42.20 | Wangster | I want to use a Debian |
| 08:42.33 | A64 | Your image helped me yesterday. Nice job !!! (Stable iso with 2.6.12) |
| 08:42.40 | Wangster | machine as a router/firewall (preferred transparent) |
| 08:42.41 | nkuttler | Wangster: um, are the two uplinks on the same network? |
| 08:42.52 | Wangster | no they are not |
| 08:43.04 | A64 | LSorensen: I got Debian installed, everything just works flawlessly. Thank you !!! :) |
| 08:43.19 | Wangster | DSL is static, Cable Dynamic |
| 08:43.24 | nkuttler | Wangster: and you want to access the linux boxes from windows or what? |
| 08:43.35 | Wangster | both |
| 08:43.45 | Wangster | with out traversing the internet |
| 08:44.03 | nkuttler | Wangster: but you said they're on different networks |
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| 08:44.36 | Wangster | yeah? and a router would get them to talk, yes? |
| 08:45.39 | Wangster | Perhaps I didn't express what I was asking. I am looking to use a debain machine, with many NICs to set up a bridging/transparent firewall/router to route the traffic between 2 networks and 2 uplinks |
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| 08:47.32 | technos | Wangster: You're probably better off with two seperate interfaces per machine and three physically seperated networks. You'll never cram enough Ethernet cards in one machine to do a router for two uplinks and four machines. :) |
| 08:47.35 | Wangster | When network A want to talk to the internet it is routed over Connection A, when network B wants to talk to the internet it goes over Connection B. However, when network A want to talk to Network B it routes the link so that it doesn't go over the internet |
| 08:47.55 | Wangster | it's 10 machines |
| 08:48.03 | Wangster | I got switchs and hubs |
| 08:48.10 | Wangster | (well just one hub :P ) |
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| 08:49.24 | Wangster | so I believe I will only need 4 NICS 2 for Uplinks and 2 for networks |
| 08:50.16 | technos | Wangster: Then just throw some ethernet hardware in and segregate the segments in hardware. But with one side DHCP, you don't know for sure what address that bank of machines will take, rendering it a routed loop for lamers on the outside and a non-completly working proposition on the inside. |
| 08:51.22 | Wangster | I was actually hoping to use one interface as the Nat NIC |
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| 08:51.48 | Wangster | so that one network is 192.168.0.0 and just nats out on the Debian router, which gets it's IP from DHCP |
| 08:51.54 | Wangster | and the other net is static |
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| 08:53.24 | technos | Wangster: You can nat the lot of them, and assign a static dhcp pool for the machines behind it and then just manually route them per-machine |
| 08:54.22 | dcompiler | is the unstable version of debian relatively stable to run as a workstation? |
| 08:54.35 | dcompiler | or is it better to stick with testing? |
| 08:54.41 | af_ | I have kmail that dumps core |
| 08:54.50 | PaladinoFugace | anyone has an idea why ping, host, telnet work on my debian box but web browsers can't connect to sites (example: google.com)? :( |
| 08:55.02 | valdyn | dcompiler: if you have to ask, use testing |
| 08:55.13 | technos | dcompiler: The broke perl yesterday for example. That's muy bad. |
| 08:55.16 | war- | I would like to run SSH from inetd in Debian, how do I make it so Debian does not start SSHD in daemon mode? |
| 08:55.27 | war- | touch /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run ? |
| 08:55.28 | dcompiler | o |
| 08:55.34 | mattfury | hi im back |
| 08:56.26 | mattfury | i dare say i didnt miss much? |
| 08:56.32 | technos | PaladinoFugace: Your web browser configured to use a proxy accidentally? |
| 08:56.44 | dcompiler | any place I can go to look at what versions of software is included in 'testing'? |
| 08:56.45 | mattfury | lol |
| 08:56.56 | PaladinoFugace | technos, no. I see "direct connection" is enabled |
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| 08:57.23 | liable | PaladinoFugace: different browsers? |
| 08:57.42 | welson | i have 1 line for etch in my apt sources and i'm beginning to see packages are missing for gnome-desktop-environment: sound-juicer, totem, vino |
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| 08:58.14 | PaladinoFugace | liable, tried: epiphany and mozilla. I see xchat tried 1.0.0.0 when I tried to connect here so I had to give the ip number of this irc server |
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| 08:59.09 | technos | PaladinoFugace: Sounds like dns is borked. |
| 08:59.30 | liable | PaladinoFugace: hmm, but you can ping by host name yes? |
| 08:59.30 | mattfury | 2.01 gb of music ...? |
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| 08:59.44 | mattfury | 385 files, 22 folders |
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| 09:00.21 | technos | mattfury: You haven't been converting to mp3 very long, have you? |
| 09:00.45 | PaladinoFugace | liable, yes for example ping cnn.com works |
| 09:00.57 | mattfury | technos: in a day? |
| 09:00.58 | mattfury | :/ |
| 09:01.13 | mattfury | i thought was kinda ok |
| 09:01.21 | liable | PaladinoFugace: and ping www.google.com? |
| 09:01.26 | technos | mattfury: In a day? That's not too bad for a day. |
| 09:01.35 | mattfury | heh |
| 09:01.39 | mattfury | see my point :) |
| 09:01.51 | PaladinoFugace | liable, sorry: ping google.com works instead ping cnn.com can resolve address but no packets back (100% packet loss) |
| 09:01.55 | mattfury | i just got DDR aswell |
| 09:01.56 | fyrestrtr | PaladinoFugace: use dig to find out if your DNS information is correct. |
| 09:02.07 | mattfury | PaladinoFugace: try wget sitename |
| 09:02.09 | fyrestrtr | PaladinoFugace: that just means that cnn.com probably blocks ping requests. |
| 09:02.22 | mattfury | fyrestrtr: for a good reason? |
| 09:02.24 | mattfury | :P |
| 09:02.29 | PaladinoFugace | wget google.com |
| 09:02.31 | fyrestrtr | mattfury: probably :) |
| 09:02.31 | mattfury | DoS Attacks |
| 09:02.48 | mattfury | anyone know a virtual cd program? |
| 09:02.51 | PaladinoFugace | liable, wget google.com works |
| 09:02.54 | technos | Afraid of the old skool h4x0rs who'll ping flood you! OMG! |
| 09:02.55 | mattfury | that can load from 1 cd? |
| 09:03.05 | mattfury | and then load an iso off drive dir? |
| 09:03.17 | metaperl | what sort of "suitable writer" is required to write a data DVD? I can't write on using k3b . It says it does not have a suitable writer |
| 09:03.22 | mattfury | (although this is what i intend to write a program for) |
| 09:03.33 | fyrestrtr | mattfury: you can just mount the iso with mount |
| 09:03.37 | mattfury | metaperl: do you have a writer? |
| 09:03.46 | mattfury | fyrestrtr: without burning a linux cd? |
| 09:03.46 | valdyn | metaperl: it sais you dont have a suitable dvd writer |
| 09:03.51 | metaperl | oh... |
| 09:03.52 | fyrestrtr | mattfury: yeap. |
| 09:04.00 | metaperl | maybe it lacks the driver for my cd/dvd-rom |
| 09:04.08 | mattfury | using knoppix sux though :( |
| 09:04.12 | PaladinoFugace | liable, dig google.com works. Uhmmm ????? :) |
| 09:04.25 | fyrestrtr | PaladinoFugace: what DNS server is it using? |
| 09:04.28 | liable | PaladinoFugace: hmm, not resolving problem then.. |
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| 09:05.13 | liable | PaladinoFugace: whats the browser say? cant resolve or ?? |
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| 09:05.17 | mattfury | the terrible cd monster named linux ate it!!! |
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| 09:06.40 | mattfury | make data and audio cd?! :D |
| 09:06.48 | mattfury | =useful! |
| 09:06.49 | PaladinoFugace | liable, no it just says connecting to www.google.com and hangs with blank page displayed |
| 09:06.55 | loupgaroublond | is there a packaged version of the entire bluecurve theme for debian? |
| 09:07.04 | liable | PaladinoFugace: you behind a router? |
| 09:07.45 | fyrestrtr | PaladinoFugace: can you do a 'manual' request using telnet? |
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| 09:08.23 | PaladinoFugace | liable, Im using an home ADSL connection and PC --> modem/router ADSL netgear 632 --> ISP connection. Yes manual 'GET' to cnn.com works |
| 09:08.39 | fyrestrtr | PaladinoFugace: what browser are you using? |
| 09:09.24 | PaladinoFugace | fyrestrtr, mozilla and epiphany (debian sarge base installation). Funny right now if I try to open them... they can't open anymore. Urgh |
| 09:09.36 | mattfury | hey is it possible to dual-boot a cd?? |
| 09:10.03 | mattfury | like say Lilo and have select which distro install? |
| 09:10.34 | technos | mattfury: Well, not lilo, but yes. |
| 09:10.39 | mattfury | PaladinoFugace: try upgrading |
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| 09:10.45 | liable | PaladinoFugace: what is in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 09:11.04 | fyrestrtr | PaladinoFugace: try restarting X or logging out and logging in again. |
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| 09:11.25 | PaladinoFugace | fyrestrtr, ok thanks. yes display opening error. |
| 09:11.29 | mattfury | technos: i have stumbled across a great idea! :D :P |
| 09:11.35 | cn | i have / at 69% how can i decrease it? |
| 09:11.44 | mattfury | these migrains do give me ideas!!! :D |
| 09:11.59 | fyrestrtr | cm: rotate logs or move /tmp? |
| 09:12.02 | PaladinoFugace | liable, resolv: search nameserver 198.162.0.1 (which is my router address) |
| 09:12.21 | technos | cn: Start with an apt-get clean |
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| 09:12.37 | cn | technos i've done yet |
| 09:12.39 | mattfury | PaladinoFugace: try re-installing the network adapter |
| 09:12.47 | mattfury | which isnt recommended |
| 09:12.55 | liable | PaladinoFugace: try putting your isp's dns ip's in there and see what happens. |
| 09:13.07 | mdew | anyone fimilar with bootsplash? |
| 09:13.08 | mattfury | but the router (dlink?) should automatically route towards your computer |
| 09:13.14 | mattfury | so dont add ANYTHING |
| 09:13.16 | cn | i want reache at least 55% |
| 09:13.19 | technos | mattfury: That's not new, really.. I have a va linux demo disc that installs RH 5.2 or Potato. |
| 09:13.30 | mattfury | the router should handle everything ... |
| 09:13.56 | mattfury | technos: i have never seen either of those distros |
| 09:14.13 | mdew | when using bootsplash, i get the frame-buffer pic/theme on the alternative screens, just not the main screen, how can i fix this? |
| 09:14.16 | mattfury | just fc4 & deb && gentoo installer (never the actual screen :P) |
| 09:14.36 | technos | mattfury: Redhat 5.2? Debian "potato" (Predecessor to Woody)? |
| 09:14.49 | StFS | dpkg-reconfigure *what* to change the keyboard layout for console (pc104, pc105 and all that... not the keymap: qwerty, dvorak and all that) |
| 09:15.00 | PaladinoFugace | mattfury, liable: Im using a netgear 632 router. It has a DHCP server built-in and worked. However in installation phase debian tryed to connect to 1.0.0.0 as resolution of security.debian.org. |
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| 09:15.55 | estel | hi |
| 09:16.11 | liable | PaladinoFugace: /j #flood and paste ifconfig and route. |
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| 09:17.03 | mattfury | technos: never seen potato sorry |
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| 09:17.09 | mattfury | not a long-term user |
| 09:17.14 | silverfox | has dpkg-reconfigure been replaced with something else? |
| 09:17.16 | estel | i have some strange problems here: for example: i can't connect to a local server. i set up a simple server (netcat -l -p 1111), but i cannot connect to it using "telnet 127.0.0.1". any idea? |
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| 09:17.51 | mattfury | how can i add the debian cd to a cd with music except wheres the boot image? |
| 09:18.11 | PaladinoFugace | liable, thanks. I just did paste them |
| 09:18.20 | silverfox | what package is dpkg-reconfigure part of? |
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| 09:18.34 | mattfury | dkpg |
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| 09:18.58 | silverfox | hmm... I have dpkg, but dpkg-reconfigure doesn't exist. |
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| 09:19.34 | mattfury | you know what linux needs? |
| 09:19.46 | mattfury | is an upgrade feature from windows xp :P |
| 09:19.58 | mattfury | autoplays from windows |
| 09:20.05 | mattfury | copys neccessary files |
| 09:20.12 | mattfury | temp dir/partition |
| 09:20.16 | mattfury | and installs |
| 09:20.35 | cn | how can i see dir more bigger? |
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| 09:21.09 | mattfury | cn: go to the bottom right corner drag that away when you see an arrow |
| 09:21.16 | mattfury | thats looks like: <-> |
| 09:21.20 | estel | y can't i ping 127.0.0.1? |
| 09:21.21 | technos | mattfury: There was little demand for it. Slackware used to do it, you download an installer zip, unzip it, and run the installer right from Windows 95. |
| 09:21.43 | mattfury | then again ... :P |
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| 09:21.47 | liable | yeah, i see. mygateway is your router I take it? |
| 09:21.49 | nkuttler | estel: ifup lo? |
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| 09:22.04 | technos | loadlin+umsdos filesystem tricks |
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| 09:22.21 | silverfox | I need to be able to set mail from a box, and thats it. What mail package should I install? |
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| 09:22.26 | estel | Ignoring unknown interface lo=lo |
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| 09:23.06 | estel | when installing debian i skipped network configuration (due to a fu**ing modem..): is it possible that some debian network packages are missing? |
| 09:23.10 | nkuttler | estel: show your /etc/networks/interfaces in #flood |
| 09:23.26 | nkuttler | network even |
| 09:23.59 | estel | nkuttler: i have no network interface, so it's empty |
| 09:24.12 | estel | oh, i see |
| 09:24.12 | liable | PaladinoFugace: ping mygateway.ar7 is ok? |
| 09:24.34 | nkuttler | estel: put auto lo eth0 and iface lo inet loopback in there |
| 09:24.41 | nkuttler | estel: on two lines |
| 09:24.45 | estel | already done |
| 09:24.48 | estel | thanks for your help |
| 09:25.07 | PaladinoFugace | liable, yes it actually resolves in 198.162.0.1 which is my modem/router |
| 09:25.21 | liable | PaladinoFugace: good. |
| 09:26.03 | liable | PaladinoFugace: I cant think of anything but looking in your router config. |
| 09:26.13 | silverfox | what mta should I use if I just need to send mail (for alert scripts and such) |
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| 09:27.06 | liable | silverfox: for system mail? leave it with exim. |
| 09:27.13 | PaladinoFugace | liable, so maybe its my router? ok thank you very much liable. I will check |
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| 09:27.40 | silverfox | liable, k. |
| 09:27.48 | mattfury | excuse me where can i get latest deb-livecd boot image??? |
| 09:27.51 | mattfury | anyone! |
| 09:27.51 | nkuttler | silverfox: ssmtp is nice |
| 09:28.11 | Guerin | mattfury: there is no deb-livecd |
| 09:28.23 | mattfury | Guerin: correction there is |
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| 09:28.31 | Guerin | mattfury: please point me to the url |
| 09:28.31 | mattfury | debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:28.42 | Guerin | mattfury: that's not a livecd, that's an installer |
| 09:28.42 | mattfury | ok..... |
| 09:28.52 | mattfury | still a livecd.... |
| 09:28.54 | Guerin | and it is the most recent official stable version |
| 09:28.56 | Guerin | no |
| 09:29.00 | Guerin | they're quite different |
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| 09:29.11 | mattfury | ....it relies on the internet |
| 09:29.20 | mattfury | ....so does a livecd |
| 09:29.33 | mattfury | im just looking for F***** boot info |
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| 09:29.50 | POVaddct | mattfury: a livecd relies on the internet? |
| 09:29.51 | Guerin | mattfury: so download it |
| 09:30.02 | liable | PaladinoFugace: just for shits and giggles, put your isp's dns server addresses in resolv.conf |
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| 09:30.08 | Guerin | a livecd has a full filesystem and real apps running off the cd in a ram disk |
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| 09:30.24 | Guerin | the debian installer boots with a kernel and busybox |
| 09:30.26 | Crasp | mattfury: a livecd doesn't require to be installed on a hd, a netinstall is like a normal installer, it does require a hd and a network connection to somehow get the installation fixed over the net |
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| 09:30.53 | Guerin | but either way, you've got your answer |
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| 09:31.18 | mattfury | either way i need the boot image... |
| 09:31.19 | liable | netinstall doesnt even need a net connection for a base install.. |
| 09:31.27 | Guerin | mattfury: so download the fucking thing |
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| 09:31.30 | Guerin | what's stopping you? |
| 09:31.45 | mattfury | where from? |
| 09:31.50 | PaladinoFugace | liable, ok |
| 09:31.54 | Guerin | mattfury: cdimage.debian.org? |
| 09:31.56 | liable | !d-i mattfury |
| 09:31.56 | eps | are any of the current unstable kernels built on gcc4? |
| 09:31.57 | dpkg | mattfury, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 09:32.16 | Guerin | you can get there quite trivially from debian.org by clicking the 'CD' link |
| 09:32.19 | liable | eps: dont believe so. |
| 09:32.37 | eps | liable okie, damn, can't get nvidia drivers back up until there is :( |
| 09:32.50 | liable | eps: do it yourself then. |
| 09:33.00 | Guerin | if the kernel compiles with gcc4 yet |
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| 09:33.06 | liable | does.. |
| 09:33.13 | eps | liable I'm planning to if there isn't by the end of the week |
| 09:33.14 | Guerin | i've heard conflicting reports |
| 09:33.16 | liable | vanilla anyways |
| 09:33.23 | liable | Guerin: done three. |
| 09:33.30 | eps | what are the huge breakages that will happen if I compile the nvidia drivers with 4 and it goes into the kernel which is 3.3? |
| 09:33.32 | Guerin | liable: nice. |
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| 09:33.45 | Guerin | eps: that's a good question. |
| 09:33.49 | liable | Guerin: surprising, I think is the word :) |
| 09:33.49 | drac | eps: it won't work |
| 09:33.55 | eps | drac okay |
| 09:34.03 | eps | I might just go back to xfree for awhile :P |
| 09:34.18 | Eclipser | is there a way to control xmms through ssh or a web interface with playlist and such (I know xmms takes console commands to change stuff but it doesn't really have a usable playlist thingie) |
| 09:34.30 | Guerin | Eclipser: ncxmms |
| 09:34.50 | Eclipser | umh, not in sarge? |
| 09:34.56 | drac | eps: MAKEFLAGS="CC=3.3" <command to compile external drivers> has worked for me, but _no_ idea on nvidia drivers. |
| 09:35.03 | Guerin | Eclipser: or better yet, use a console-based player like mpd/ncmpc or cplay |
| 09:35.18 | Guerin | Eclipser: might be called something else; it's aa curses inteface to xmms. search. |
| 09:35.18 | drac | err |
| 09:35.24 | PeterB | Eclipser: xmms-shell |
| 09:35.26 | Eclipser | Guerin, oki |
| 09:35.29 | drac | eps: Sorry, MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" |
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| 09:35.38 | eps | drac thanks man, will play around with that :) |
| 09:35.42 | mattfury | the ISO Image? |
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| 09:37.17 | mattfury | i need the boot image :( |
| 09:37.42 | mattfury | if i extracted then burnt it would it still work? |
| 09:37.43 | liable | mattfury: um, why do you think you cant boot with it? |
| 09:38.06 | liable | extracted what? |
| 09:38.27 | POVaddct | i think he wants to remaster a bootable cd with some extra files |
| 09:38.35 | rixth | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl << That kills the make process of mod_perl what am I missing? |
| 09:39.08 | Guerin | !wayc rixth |
| 09:39.09 | dpkg | rixth: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 09:39.32 | mattfury | liable: trying to burn the image after extracting with winiso |
| 09:39.45 | mattfury | or winrar (im in windows :( ) |
| 09:39.45 | Guerin | mattfury: wtf |
| 09:39.46 | liable | mattfury: eh? |
| 09:39.51 | Guerin | why on earth ...? |
| 09:39.58 | mattfury | i dont know either |
| 09:40.03 | liable | mattfury: just burn it, its an iso ffs. |
| 09:40.22 | mattfury | but i dont want to waste a cd?? |
| 09:40.41 | mattfury | ok fine you win |
| 09:40.59 | mattfury | but i wanted music on it aswell ... |
| 09:41.05 | liable | mattfury: you want to save 25c with whatever thing you think is going to work? |
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| 09:41.32 | POVaddct | mattfury: you can test boot iso images in qemu before burning them |
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| 09:41.49 | mattfury | grrr.... |
| 09:41.51 | PeterB | mattfury: Buy rewritable CDs then. |
| 09:41.54 | mattfury | i know the image works |
| 09:42.03 | mattfury | PeterB: i will tommorow |
| 09:42.09 | mattfury | yesterday was my b'day |
| 09:42.20 | topa_ | has anyone encountered problems with xscreensaver and xorg in sid ? |
| 09:42.20 | mattfury | $50 for me ehehe! |
| 09:42.32 | liable | sawp the hankies fors cd's then :P |
| 09:42.48 | mattfury | sawp? |
| 09:43.08 | cahoot | rixth: look here if you want to make sure you have a sane building environment: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/?page=debcustomize |
| 09:43.14 | liable | typo, swap.. |
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| 09:44.52 | welson | i'm jammed with not being able to upgrade udev with etch -- is it broked for anyone else? the script keeps crying about a kernel >=2.6.12 and my dpkg -l has 'ii' for linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 ... |
| 09:45.01 | ma3x | Where can I read up on 'modes' for chmod? |
| 09:45.09 | welson | ma3x, in its manual |
| 09:45.35 | ma3x | welson, I mean like mode 666, how do you know what permission? |
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| 09:45.52 | welson | ma3x, man is a command -> man chmod, to learn the shell and linux check out tldp.org |
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| 09:46.22 | PeterB | !wikifaq ma3x Permissions |
| 09:46.23 | dpkg | ma3x: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 09:46.42 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 09:48.10 | liable | welson: check out bts for udev, interesting read.. :) |
| 09:49.23 | ma3x | can you help me for understand The format of a symbolic mode is `[ugoa...][[+-=][rwxXstugo...]...][,...]'. ? |
| 09:49.29 | ma3x | I know whatfor are the letters |
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| 09:50.07 | ma3x | But don't understand why after the [ugoa...] comes with 2 brackets [[+-=] |
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| 09:50.32 | Karnaugh | !mplater |
| 09:50.36 | Karnaugh | !mplayer |
| 09:50.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
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| 09:51.37 | Eonn | g'day all |
| 09:53.47 | liable | ma3x: its explained in the next two paragraphs. |
| 09:53.47 | silverfox | how do you store each line of output into a different index of an array? |
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| 09:53.47 | silverfox | oh, in bash. |
| 09:53.53 | liable | silverfox: try #bash |
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| 09:55.45 | welson | silverfox, i'm not asking about broked bugs, but installation brokage |
| 09:55.49 | welson | liable, , i'm not asking about broked bugs, but installation brokage |
| 09:56.15 | ma3x | liable, the paragraph thats starting with A combination of the letters `ugoa' controls .... ? |
| 09:56.20 | ma3x | or the next two chapters |
| 09:56.35 | welson | ma3x, user group owner all |
| 09:56.48 | nkuttler | welson: incorrect install is a bug as well |
| 09:57.09 | welson | nkuttler, i know, but there's nothing i see in bts about udev not installing incorrectly |
| 09:57.13 | und0 | someone recall the command to use on a xterm to show the keycodes of pressed keys? |
| 09:57.19 | nkuttler | welson: report it |
| 09:57.29 | nkuttler | und0: xev |
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| 09:57.40 | ma3x | welson, not that's the problem. the [[] confuse me |
| 09:57.42 | und0 | nkuttler: thanks |
| 09:57.45 | ma3x | why twice [[ ? |
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| 09:58.14 | welson | nkuttler, the thing is is that gnome-vol-manager and another gnome program depend that udev is there |
| 09:58.31 | welson | nkuttler, reporting.. |
| 09:58.36 | liable | ma3x: because two commands are needed either +x or -x for example |
| 09:58.36 | nkuttler | welson: well... |
| 09:58.42 | nkuttler | welson: that's rather a gnome bug then |
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| 09:59.43 | liable | welson: whats the actuall error? |
| 10:00.03 | ma3x | liable, and then after [[+-=][rwxXstugo...]...] comes [,...] |
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| 10:00.23 | ma3x | whats that means? [,...] |
| 10:00.36 | welson | liable, well there's something in bts and i'm surprised to find its in the section as resolved... |
| 10:00.39 | liable | ma3x: the file maybe?? |
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| 10:01.18 | ma3x | why would they put such example [,...] with come in it? |
| 10:01.23 | liable | welson: what version are you running? sid? |
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| 10:01.37 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to use NFS through ssh tunelling? If so what are the steps required? |
| 10:01.47 | welson | liable, i already said etch, at least that's what i'm heading with the upgrades.. |
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| 10:01.53 | grijandowskii | hello all |
| 10:02.10 | grijandowskii | i want to connect my laptop with my main computer |
| 10:02.33 | grijandowskii | the main computer has internet access, but the laptop not |
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| 10:02.34 | pirre | Knight_Lord: google.com, +NFS +ssh |
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| 10:02.59 | grijandowskii | what should I write on my /etc/network/interface? |
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| 10:03.14 | mortum | how can i see how the manteiner have compiled vlc? |
| 10:04.24 | welson | notice that now linux-image is becoming the norm name for the kernel-- looks like havoc for upgrading sarge kernels for those with bug 317332 -- i'm afraid to even bother trying to force installing the latest udev package... |
| 10:04.36 | und0 | grijandowskii: you should find numerous packages to install on your laptop to autoconfigure the NIC |
| 10:04.37 | liable | grijandowskii: man interfaces, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples, all explained fairly well. |
| 10:04.49 | grijandowskii | I can connect from the laptop to the main server, and viceversa, but I have no internet on the laptop |
| 10:04.49 | grijandowskii | should I open something in the laptop? |
| 10:04.49 | grijandowskii | the main computer is connected to the internet via modem |
| 10:05.04 | ma3x | what does the attribute 'c' means in the permissions? |
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| 10:05.15 | nkuttler | grijandowskii: google networking howto, nat howto |
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| 10:05.21 | liable | grijandowskii: does the other computer run nat? |
| 10:06.00 | cn | whart command i need to show all files > 30mb? |
| 10:06.06 | cn | what* |
| 10:06.12 | nkuttler | cn: man find |
| 10:06.25 | liable | ma3x: another link may explain a bit more http://www.zzee.com/solutions/chmod-help.shtml |
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| 10:07.25 | welson | ma3x, tldp.org-- i already told ya ;-).. |
| 10:07.33 | filemon | hello all |
| 10:07.33 | filemon | grijandowskiii want to connect my laptop with my main computer |
| 10:07.33 | filemon | grijandowskiithe main computer has internet access, but the laptop not |
| 10:07.33 | filemon | grijandowskiiwhat should I write on my /etc/network/interface? |
| 10:07.33 | filemon | grijandowskiiI can connect from the laptop to the main server, and viceversa, but I have no internet on the laptop |
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| 10:07.46 | cn | is there a command to clean /var/cache or i do it manually |
| 10:08.09 | welson | cn, check out clean and autoclean ->man apt-cache |
| 10:08.21 | liable | cn: man apt-get or better yet, apt-get install apt-howto |
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| 10:09.19 | welson | liable, you should direct more->tldp.org oriented... chmod is a complex command |
| 10:09.23 | ma3x | do i really need that sticky bit? |
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| 10:09.29 | ma3x | i think thats way old |
| 10:09.42 | welson | ma3x, hey, are you stupid? |
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| 10:09.50 | dcompiler | what ver of GNOME is in etch? |
| 10:10.36 | drac | !info libgnomevfs2-0 etch |
| 10:10.40 | dpkg | libgnomevfs2-0: (The GNOME virtual file-system library (runtime files)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.4-4 (etch), Packaged size: 386 kB, Installed size: 652 kB |
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| 10:11.02 | ma3x | This feature is not useful on modern VM systems, and the Linux kernel ignores the sticky bit on files |
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| 10:11.42 | drac | ma3x: Where are you reading that? Make /tmp unsticky and see how fast permissions of it gets fscked. |
| 10:11.44 | welson | ma3x, ask dpkg |
| 10:11.59 | rixth | Guerin, if your still there, I'm compiling becasue I compiled Apache. AFAIK you never help anyone, all you do is whore dpkg with stupid shit like that. |
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| 10:12.22 | dcompiler | where can I get a sofware listing for etch? |
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| 10:12.56 | welson | dcompiler, download the package headers and grep 'em |
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| 10:13.18 | nkuttler | !comfort rixth |
| 10:13.19 | dpkg | There, there, rixth. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 10:13.57 | welson | !udev |
| 10:13.57 | dpkg | [udev] at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 10:13.59 | pusling | weeee!11111 dpkg is back ;) |
| 10:14.00 | rixth | Heh :) |
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| 10:14.24 | rixth | Freenode still haven't given me my cloak :( |
| 10:14.27 | welson | !317332 |
| 10:14.29 | ma3x | in this permission crw------- what means the 'c' |
| 10:14.36 | welson | no tracking? tsk tsk.. |
| 10:14.50 | pusling | ma3x: unbuffered character device |
| 10:14.56 | noerrors | can i ask about sid bugs in here or does this chan only support sarge/etch? |
| 10:14.57 | liable | welson: why dont you just put udev on hold anyway? I have since that 2.6.12 bork came out.. |
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| 10:15.27 | pusling | noerrors: sid also - if it is not "my sid is broken - do somethindg!!111oneone" |
| 10:15.40 | noerrors | ok great |
| 10:16.00 | ma3x | so what is the numeric mode of crw------- ? |
| 10:16.20 | welson | liable, because i'm testing! |
| 10:16.28 | pusling | ma3x: 600 |
| 10:16.40 | pusling | ma3x: but it is created with mknod |
| 10:16.49 | noerrors | when I install the latest version of hal in sid, i get a flood of errors in my syslog saying "DEVNAME is not set" and "SEQNUM is not set" |
| 10:16.52 | welson | tsk |
| 10:17.04 | noerrors | this has to do with the new RUN rules in hal.rules |
| 10:17.17 | Overand | what's the name of the app/command that looks at the header (content?) of a file and attempts to identify what it is, with some level of detail (ELF Binary for ARM) |
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| 10:17.32 | pusling | Overand: file ? |
| 10:17.33 | s_ward | Overand, file |
| 10:17.44 | Overand | wow, so simple that i will never remember it =] |
| 10:17.44 | liable | welson: wtf do you mean? |
| 10:17.45 | Overand | tjamls |
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| 10:17.48 | Overand | thanks, even |
| 10:17.55 | ma3x | pusling, crw-rwx--- = 670 ? |
| 10:18.13 | noerrors | if I go back to 0.4.8-3 then it works but now its not supporting the new udev |
| 10:18.17 | welson | liable, get out if you're not testing and you think "etch" is too good not to be tested.. |
| 10:18.38 | Eclipser | umhum |
| 10:18.39 | welson | how *helpful is that for the community... ah well rem it all out..tsk |
| 10:18.53 | pusling | ma3x: the first character is what kind of file it is - so the permission number is the same, if it is a file, a symlink, a directory, a device node, a fifo, ... |
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| 10:19.12 | noerrors | Ive tried contacting the maintainer but i get no response |
| 10:19.16 | Eclipser | how can I get my DNS working on computers behind nat?-) |
| 10:20.01 | ma3x | pusling, so what you're saying is 'c' must be set when creating device |
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| 10:20.10 | pusling | ma3x: yes |
| 10:20.15 | dcompiler | your DHCP router probably provides either the real IPs of your ISP's DNS servers or you can use the routers LAN ip as a DNS server |
| 10:20.18 | liable | welson: um, I dont still dont understand what you mean, etch and sid are going through a bit of a transition so are a bit broken at the moment. What exactly are you getting at? |
| 10:20.22 | pusling | ma3x: if you are not using udev; man mknod |
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| 10:20.26 | nkuttler | Eclipser: configure a nameserver? |
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| 10:20.38 | ma3x | pusling, that means you never set the first attribute with chmod? |
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| 10:20.58 | pusling | ma3x: yes |
| 10:21.02 | liable | filemon: please dont /msg without asking. |
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| 10:21.13 | filemon | pardon |
| 10:21.26 | noerrors | is anyone else seeing this problem? |
| 10:21.30 | filemon | I dont know if the main computer uses nat |
| 10:21.44 | liable | filemon: is it a windows box? |
| 10:21.47 | filemon | it uses a standar ppp conextion |
| 10:21.48 | filemon | no |
| 10:21.51 | filemon | debian |
| 10:21.51 | udax | hi all |
| 10:22.09 | filemon | the laptop is a powerbook |
| 10:22.16 | filemon | with debian |
| 10:22.29 | liable | filemon: right, then you need to use shorewall, firehol, ipmasq or any front end to iptables that does nat. |
| 10:22.33 | dcompiler | filemon: just specify your router as the DNS server |
| 10:22.37 | PeterB | !tell filemon about enter |
| 10:22.39 | ma3x | pusling, i use udev, but the permissions are not set in the /etc/udev/permissions.rules |
| 10:22.56 | dcompiler | in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:23.11 | Eclipser | nkuttler, feels a bit useless to run own nameserver just for the computers behind nat |
| 10:23.13 | pusling | ma3x: I normally configure udev using apt-get --purge remove |
| 10:23.22 | nkuttler | Eclipser: erm, on the clients |
| 10:23.31 | nkuttler | Eclipser: just give them the ip |
| 10:23.35 | pusling | ma3x: but people say I am a stupid old man ;= |
| 10:23.39 | Eclipser | "the ip"? |
| 10:23.44 | filemon | what should I write in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:23.51 | ma3x | how can you configure udev like that? |
| 10:23.54 | noerrors | the main problem with udev is that its not creating devices fast enough |
| 10:23.58 | nkuttler | Eclipser: your provider has a nameserver running, right? |
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| 10:24.04 | filemon | modifying the gateway line is not enough? |
| 10:24.06 | Eclipser | nkuttler, yes |
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| 10:24.18 | Eclipser | but how would I find out what's its IP :) |
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| 10:24.20 | nkuttler | Eclipser: what are the clients? windows? linux? |
| 10:24.26 | Eclipser | linux, debian |
| 10:24.39 | nkuttler | Eclipser: should be in /etc/resolv.conf. did you say modem? |
| 10:24.46 | liable | filemon: if you have a debian box that you want to share its connection with another box, you have to do nat. |
| 10:24.58 | filemon | ah, ok |
| 10:25.04 | ma3x | is /dev/raw1394 subsystem? |
| 10:25.08 | noerrors | have to add a "until [ -e /dev/xxx ]; do sleep1 done" |
| 10:25.20 | Eclipser | nkuttler, DSL -> this comp < NAT > my laptop |
| 10:25.21 | filemon | but I have to use the gateway line at the laptop? |
| 10:25.46 | liable | filemon: http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm |
| 10:26.01 | filemon | the problem is that the main computer has no monitor |
| 10:26.10 | nkuttler | Eclipser: look into your resolv.conf. btw, running a caching-only nameserver is easy |
| 10:26.17 | liable | filemon: ipmasq, firehol, or firestarter can all do the same. |
| 10:26.26 | ma3x | in /etc/udev/permissions.rules should i specify /dev/raw1394 as kernel="raw1394" or subsystem="raw1394' ? |
| 10:26.28 | liable | filemon: can you ssh into it? |
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| 10:26.34 | filemon | yes |
| 10:26.47 | liable | filemon: look at the link I gave you then. |
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| 10:27.29 | Eclipser | nkuttler, ah, it works now |
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| 10:28.11 | JosephSpiros | There's too many ftpds! |
| 10:28.13 | JosephSpiros | I can't choose! |
| 10:28.24 | Eclipser | don't use ftp :< |
| 10:28.34 | Eclipser | use sftp |
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| 10:29.48 | pusling | JosephSpiros: ftp sucks! |
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| 10:30.09 | Eclipser | sftp! |
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| 10:30.18 | ma3x | can please somebody tell me, is raw1394 SYBSYSTEM or KERNEL module? |
| 10:30.33 | ma3x | i think subsystem |
| 10:30.42 | ma3x | pusling, why not? |
| 10:30.44 | liable | ma3x: why are you fucking with udev rules? |
| 10:31.00 | Eclipser | he's missing raw1394 from /dev |
| 10:31.07 | Eclipser | he's been at it since yesterday |
| 10:31.22 | ma3x | liable, so that I won't have to setup permissions and make devices every time |
| 10:31.23 | pusling | ma3x: I prefer a static /dev |
| 10:31.25 | ma3x | after reboot it's gone |
| 10:31.32 | ma3x | I don't |
| 10:31.34 | filemon | liable should I charge any module? |
| 10:31.40 | filemon | for the nat |
| 10:31.47 | liable | filemon: excuse me? |
| 10:31.52 | pusling | ma3x: that is exactly why I don't like udev ;) |
| 10:32.12 | filemon | I asked if I should load any module for using nat |
| 10:32.12 | Eclipser | filemon, iptables should load iptables_nat or something when you add something to the nat table |
| 10:32.15 | JosephSpiros | Unfortunately, ftp is good for speed compared to sftp |
| 10:32.16 | JosephSpiros | :) |
| 10:32.21 | JosephSpiros | and my clients request it |
| 10:32.27 | jim | charge it to the boss's account! that'll be charging it positively! |
| 10:32.31 | filemon | automaticaly? |
| 10:32.32 | liable | ma3x: can you explain exactly what goes after a reboot and what you have to do? |
| 10:32.38 | mdew | i'm trying use splashimages in grub, however its not detecting any files i give it after a 'update-grub', splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splashimages/debsplash.xpm.gz ..its telling me the file doesnt exist :| |
| 10:32.40 | JosephSpiros | I personally will stick with sftp, but if they want to send data in the clear, who am I to say they can't? :p |
| 10:32.41 | Eclipser | filemon, yes, for me at least it did :) |
| 10:32.41 | pusling | JosephSpiros: use sftp/scp for upload. http for download |
| 10:32.50 | Eclipser | (I just configured my nat five minutes ago) |
| 10:32.56 | JosephSpiros | pusling: speed |
| 10:33.00 | ma3x | liable, I am setting it for the firewire |
| 10:33.06 | filemon | well |
| 10:33.16 | ma3x | so after you reboot I think you have to setup permissions and create device again |
| 10:33.20 | liable | filemon: just follow the damn link I gave you, put shorewall on the box that you want to share the connection and then use it as the gateway.. |
| 10:33.23 | ma3x | because /etc/raw1394 will be gone |
| 10:33.24 | pusling | JosephSpiros: ftp is pretty low in bandwith on setups I have created ;) |
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| 10:33.40 | filemon | ok, thanks |
| 10:33.45 | jim | JosephSpiros: depends on who owns the box the ftp server runs as, but not totally... also depends on who's paying for server-side bandwidth |
| 10:33.49 | liable | ma3x: yes, but what do you have to do every boot? |
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| 10:34.31 | liable | ma3x: what do you have hooked up to firewire? |
| 10:34.33 | ma3x | liable, I don't, but when I do, I don't want to bother make devices and set permissions again |
| 10:34.38 | ma3x | camcorder |
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| 10:34.54 | jim | I guess compressed or not, it's probably close to the same as far as bandwidth |
| 10:34.57 | filemon | bye, i will try it |
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| 10:35.40 | JosephSpiros | the problem is, ssh adds too much overhead in my experience |
| 10:35.53 | JosephSpiros | for bulk data transfers, I'm thinking ftp is probably faster |
| 10:36.03 | jim | you're probably right |
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| 10:36.06 | Eclipser | also more prone to attacks |
| 10:36.07 | Msoffical | Hi everyone, I just installed Debian on my server and trying to install qmail with http://www.linuxhelp.ca/guides/qmail/ but after building and intalling everything... the qmail files are not extracted any ideas? |
| 10:36.49 | liable | ma3x: so, if you plug it in, it wont work? and what do you have to do? |
| 10:36.51 | jim | right again... ftp is prone to attack more so than ssh (with key) |
| 10:36.53 | pusling | Msoffical: new debian users should not use programs not apt-get'able |
| 10:37.09 | jim | well that's not quite true |
| 10:37.18 | jim | in fact, that's plain false |
| 10:37.19 | liable | !info qmail sarge |
| 10:37.19 | Eclipser | also, in my experience, ftpd is more troublesome to configure :) |
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| 10:37.53 | jim | Msoffical: there is a qmail-src package |
| 10:38.05 | Eclipser | I've never got an ftpd up and running without trouble :< |
| 10:38.14 | Eclipser | maybe it's just me :) |
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| 10:38.45 | Msoffical | Jim, as stated i can apt-get everything... thats fine however once i get to the build-qmail stage it runs the installation but the location of qmail /etc/qmail is not there nor does /var/qmail exsist either. |
| 10:39.02 | s_ward | Eclipser, no, me too, or at least I have never been satisfied with the setup without trouble |
| 10:39.10 | ma3x | liable, It works now with udev. IF i use mknod I have to create the device every time and set the necessary permissions |
| 10:39.19 | ma3x | liable, otherwise it works perfect :) |
| 10:39.29 | ma3x | movies,photos,nature ... |
| 10:39.38 | jim | how do you install qmail? |
| 10:39.49 | liable | ma3x: k, thanks for explaining. |
| 10:40.27 | Guerin | Msoffical: don't use qmail, use a real mta |
| 10:40.28 | Msoffical | I picked up the Installation from: http://www.linuxhelp.ca/guides/qmail/ however it installed fine on my other Debian Server :) |
| 10:40.34 | Guerin | Msoffical: apt-get install exim4 |
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| 10:41.07 | drac | postfix ! |
| 10:41.15 | Guerin | i use postfix |
| 10:41.19 | pusling | nullmailer! |
| 10:41.26 | Guerin | i recommend exim4 because it's the debian default |
| 10:41.35 | drac | Got a point there. |
| 10:41.45 | saloxin | sendmail! with the flexibility and ease of m4 configuration |
| 10:41.52 | pusling | ...why is exim the deiban default? |
| 10:41.52 | Guerin | saloxin: hahaha |
| 10:41.57 | saloxin | :-) |
| 10:41.58 | Guerin | pusling: why not? |
| 10:42.06 | jim | that's also the same as saying "someone recommends this, so I'm therefore recommending it to you" |
| 10:42.07 | liable | something has to be.. |
| 10:42.22 | Guerin | jim: no, it's 'most people using debian use exim4' |
| 10:42.26 | pusling | Guerin: most people tells me postfix is better/easier than exim |
| 10:42.35 | Guerin | i use postfix, but i won't always be around to give support |
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| 10:42.54 | BenQ | Hi ALl |
| 10:42.58 | Guerin | pusling: from what i gather it's 6/half a dozen |
| 10:43.03 | s_ward | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # pretty damn easy (my configs are hardly complex though) |
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| 10:43.38 | Guerin | but basically anything is better than qmail |
| 10:43.38 | liable | hehe, if you can remember its exim4-config.. :P |
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| 10:44.12 | jim | but is that why it's the default? passed popularity-contest? |
| 10:44.28 | Guerin | jim: dunno. historical reasons, I guess. Has been for ages. |
| 10:44.31 | liable | jim: you tell us why it shouldnt be. |
| 10:44.41 | Guerin | i think he might just be wondering |
| 10:45.19 | BenQ | Hallo |
| 10:45.20 | ma3x | what's the difference if the mode is 0666 or 666? |
| 10:45.26 | ma3x | It's the same, right? |
| 10:45.33 | BenQ | hi ma3x |
| 10:45.37 | ma3x | hi BenQ |
| 10:45.41 | BenQ | i have problem |
| 10:45.46 | ma3x | what's your problem? |
| 10:45.57 | Guerin | is it that you've named yourself after a hardware manufacturer? |
| 10:46.01 | BenQ | i can`t install use Y!messengger in debian :( |
| 10:46.06 | ma3x | Guerin, haha |
| 10:46.07 | Guerin | s/hardware/cheap hardware/ |
| 10:46.16 | ma3x | BenQ, install gaim |
| 10:46.16 | Guerin | BenQ: that's not a bug, it's a feature. |
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| 10:46.30 | saloxin | ma3x: the 0 is for special bits - setuid, setgid and sticky |
| 10:46.50 | Guerin | ma3x: info coreutils chmod has more info |
| 10:47.03 | BenQ | hmm... |
| 10:47.09 | BenQ | i want u use cam :( |
| 10:47.13 | liable | bah info coreutils chmod says less than the man page. |
| 10:47.21 | Guerin | BenQ: complain to yahoo |
| 10:47.28 | BenQ | but i can`t use that whit debian :( |
| 10:47.32 | BenQ | lol |
| 10:47.36 | Guerin | liable: sure it does, if you only read the first page |
| 10:50.02 | Msoffical | Thanks Guerin for recommending postfix works like a charm ;) |
| 10:50.12 | Guerin | Msoffical: glad to hear it :) |
| 10:50.24 | magnus___ | Is it possible to compile KDE 3.4.2 from source in a Debian SID installation? Seems to have problems with the new GCC transition, and I was woundering if anyone know how to do it? :> |
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| 10:51.32 | Nurbs_ | magnus_: are you sure that you need 3.4.2? especially over 3.4.1... |
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| 10:51.57 | peppo | my kernel is detecting my USB card reader, and the slot "sde", where I have my SecureDigital card... and "cfdisk /dev/sde" shows the correct partition table. but when I do "mount /dev/sde1 /place" I get: "mount: special device /dev/sde1 does not exist". I can mount it without problems in Windows :/ |
| 10:52.06 | magnus___ | Nurbs: nah.. not really, is it easier to make 3.4.1 work, than 3.4.2 (and I don't really want to use KDE from debian packages) |
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| 10:52.28 | Guerin | magnus___: you get to keep all 10,000 of the pieces, then |
| 10:52.28 | Nurbs | magnus_: why not? |
| 10:52.55 | saloxin | peppo: does fdisk -l /dev/sde report partitions ok? |
| 10:53.04 | liable | peepo: so dmesg shows it yes? |
| 10:53.06 | magnus___ | Nurbs: let's just say I've had hell with KDE-packages before, and no problems with source (untill now, as it won't even compile) |
| 10:53.06 | Guerin | peppo: sd doesn't work completely in free software - you have to use its mmc mode |
| 10:53.19 | peepo | saloxin, yep. 1 1GB partition |
| 10:53.19 | Nurbs | magnus___: oh well, good luck then. :-) |
| 10:53.22 | peepo | liable, yep, |
| 10:53.33 | magnus___ | Nurbs: Thanks :) |
| 10:53.36 | peepo | Guerin, I've used it for about a year, without problems |
| 10:53.38 | saloxin | Guerin: mmc? |
| 10:53.43 | Guerin | it can't work fully in ANY free software,, because the SD card consortium or whatever they call themselves are twats |
| 10:53.52 | peepo | liable, dmesg shows, just like before: SCSI device sde: 1984000 512-byte hdwr sectors (1016 MB) |
| 10:53.53 | peepo | sde: assuming Write Enabled |
| 10:53.53 | peepo | sde: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 10:54.12 | Guerin | saloxin: yeah. google it and read the spec |
| 10:54.12 | magnus___ | Nurbs: Last time I did it with debian packages there was some problems with having some programs from binary and some from source |
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| 10:55.06 | peepo | I think it's hald/dbus that's doing something funky with the device |
| 10:55.15 | liable | peepo: you say cfdisk /dev/sde, can you just mount sde? |
| 10:55.22 | gnetux | Hi everybody! |
| 10:55.27 | peepo | I mean, all devices _BUT_ sde1 exist in /dev |
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| 10:55.29 | peepo | liable, sde is not a partition |
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| 10:55.34 | Guerin | liable: um, doubtful |
| 10:55.40 | Guerin | it's not a partition |
| 10:55.42 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:55.45 | cahoot | magnus_: this might be of use: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/?page=debcustomize |
| 10:55.46 | peepo | liable, cfdisk is a partition program, that works with a disk. |
| 10:55.54 | gnetux | does someone knows how to make work my digital camera with debin? |
| 10:55.54 | liable | peepo: but it shows sed1? |
| 10:56.02 | Guerin | peepo: any other sdex devices you can try? |
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| 10:56.05 | peepo | liable, cfdisk lists the partition table for sde |
| 10:56.08 | peepo | Guerin, none. |
| 10:56.11 | llama32 | anyone know if there's any real apps written in forth? |
| 10:56.13 | Guerin | gnetux: what kind of camera? |
| 10:56.18 | peepo | Guerin, see, the device works great in Windows |
| 10:56.19 | Guerin | peepo: funky. |
| 10:56.29 | liable | gnetux: if it wont mount as a storage device look at gphoto2 |
| 10:56.36 | peepo | so I'm pretty sure it's hald/dbus's fault |
| 10:56.37 | Nurbs | llama32: I think so. Lots of embedded applications are supposedly written in Forth. |
| 10:56.40 | Guerin | peepo: used it in linux before? |
| 10:56.46 | peepo | Guerin, yeah, for about a year |
| 10:56.50 | peepo | with no major problems |
| 10:56.50 | gnetux | It's a Premier dc5345 |
| 10:56.57 | Nurbs | llama32: maybe not anymore, though :) |
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| 10:56.58 | Guerin | peepo: ok, so it's clearly not the sd thing. |
| 10:57.04 | Guerin | i blame hal |
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| 10:57.09 | Guerin | and maybe udev |
| 10:57.19 | Nurbs | heh |
| 10:57.23 | peepo | Guerin, I'm only using 2.6.10... |
| 10:57.33 | peepo | so no udev |
| 10:57.34 | debian-in-jungle | hello |
| 10:57.34 | magnus___ | cahoot: I'll take a look, thanks |
| 10:57.35 | Nurbs | udev can't do much wrong if the /dev node is there |
| 10:57.39 | debian-in-jungle | man i just installed debian on my system ...i am getting 640 X 400 resulution ... |
| 10:57.41 | Guerin | gnetux: sounds cheap |
| 10:57.50 | debian-in-jungle | i copied h and v refresh rates from other system (with same monitor model) no effect :-( |
| 10:58.05 | peepo | I'll try another kernel |
| 10:58.06 | peepo | will be back later |
| 10:58.08 | gnetux | in fact only 178 euro 5 mega pixel |
| 10:58.30 | liable | !drxx debian-in-jungle |
| 10:58.31 | dpkg | debian-in-jungle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:58.45 | cahoot | gnetux: try pghoto2 --auto-detect |
| 10:58.45 | liable | debian-in-jungle: pick a higher res. |
| 10:58.58 | cahoot | gnetux: err gphoto2 --auto-detect |
| 10:58.59 | Guerin | gnetux: google it, see what driver it uses |
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| 10:59.21 | Guerin | gnetux: if it's not usb mass storage, use gphoto2, if gphoto2 doesn't work, you're fucked |
| 10:59.33 | liable | gnetux: whats dmesg say when you plug it in? |
| 10:59.34 | Guerin | buying cheap cameras is almost alway unwise |
| 10:59.35 | gnetux | liable:bash: gphoto2: command not found |
| 10:59.42 | Guerin | !installit |
| 10:59.42 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 11:00.08 | liable | gnetux: but firstly, whats dmsg say? |
| 11:00.13 | liable | dmesg |
| 11:00.56 | gnetux | csi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Vendor: CAMERA Model: 5MP-9Q3 Rev: 1.10 |
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| 11:01.16 | liable | gnetux: and.. |
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| 11:01.35 | gnetux | Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 11:01.54 | gnetux | USB Mass Storage device found at 2 |
| 11:01.54 | gnetux | usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage |
| 11:01.54 | gnetux | USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 11:01.54 | gnetux | SC |
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| 11:02.17 | Nurbs | if you just want to copy photos over I wouldn't bother with gphoto and just mount it, if it supports usb-storage (as it seems to do) |
| 11:02.18 | Guerin | gnetux: pastage == beatings |
| 11:02.28 | liable | gnetux: anything about /dev/sda? |
| 11:02.28 | gnetux | what? |
| 11:02.41 | gnetux | sda: assuming Write Enabled |
| 11:02.46 | gnetux | sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 11:02.51 | gnetux | ??? |
| 11:02.51 | liable | gnetux: dont paste more than 3 lines, you get kicked, read /topic |
| 11:03.22 | Guerin | gnetux: as root: mkdir /mnt/camera && mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera |
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| 11:03.32 | Guerin | gnetux: if there's no error, it worked |
| 11:03.43 | Kerr | geh.. |
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| 11:03.49 | Kerr | my uni's dns servers died, again. |
| 11:04.01 | Eclipser | heh |
| 11:04.06 | gnetux | yes it worked |
| 11:04.12 | Kerr | how would i go about running/using my own? is it even possible? |
| 11:04.14 | liable | !lart Kerr's uni's servers |
| 11:04.29 | Guerin | liable: that's unlikely to help |
| 11:04.41 | Kerr | liable: I wish. |
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| 11:04.46 | liable | why not, they dont work anyway :P |
| 11:04.48 | Kerr | liable: they're all windows2k servers >.< |
| 11:04.55 | debian-in-jungle | hi guys i am dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 which driver to choose ...I have old dell optiplex gx100 |
| 11:04.58 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 11:05.08 | Guerin | debian-in-jungle: what card? |
| 11:05.13 | Guerin | is gx100 a card? |
| 11:05.36 | Eclipser | how can I make it so that when I write `ssh fastpoke` it would resolve as 192.168.0.1? |
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| 11:05.48 | debian-in-jungle | i think its intel chipset |
| 11:06.29 | liable | Kerr: 203.50.2.71, if your desperate. |
| 11:06.29 | Kerr | debian-in-jungle: lspci and see what your card is called ? |
| 11:06.29 | Guerin | Eclipser: echo 192.168.0.1 fastpoke >> /etc/hosts |
| 11:06.29 | Guerin | oops |
| 11:06.29 | Guerin | quote that |
| 11:06.29 | Eclipser | yeah thanks |
| 11:06.29 | liable | fastpoke? |
| 11:06.32 | Eclipser | it's my other comps name |
| 11:06.35 | Guerin | not the stranges box name i ever saw |
| 11:06.35 | Eclipser | this one's slowpoke |
| 11:06.39 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:06.42 | Guerin | nice |
| 11:06.45 | Kerr | lol |
| 11:07.12 | liable | Eclipser: weirdo :P |
| 11:07.31 | Kerr | this box is called Kona.. box i'm sshing from is called Rain. I'm boring :) |
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| 11:07.34 | liable | or maybe I am reading more into it than I should .... |
| 11:07.48 | peppo | p |
| 11:07.51 | peppo | Guerin, it was a broken hald. I downgraded and it works. |
| 11:07.59 | Guerin | peppo: good to know |
| 11:08.06 | Guerin | peppo: file bugxorz |
| 11:08.09 | peppo | yep |
| 11:09.02 | debian-in-jungle | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) |
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| 11:10.04 | Kerr | Is it possible to run my own dns server on my uni connection? |
| 11:10.09 | blvszcz | hello, how to set to serve cached page, if original doesn't exist anymore? |
| 11:10.16 | Guerin | Kerr: anything's possible |
| 11:10.31 | Guerin | blvszcz: using what? |
| 11:10.33 | ix | anything (!) is possible. |
| 11:11.15 | liable | Kerr: just find a dns near you. |
| 11:11.42 | gnetux | Guerin:And if i want to mount it as a user? |
| 11:11.53 | debian-in-jungle | hi Guerin my card is VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC |
| 11:11.54 | Eclipser | Kerr, local isp dns server is always a good guess :) |
| 11:12.31 | Guerin | gnetux: add a fstab entry with 'user' in the 'options' column for it and make sure the user has permissions on the mount point |
| 11:12.44 | Guerin | debian-in-jungle: vesa will work, there might be a better one, though |
| 11:13.09 | Guerin | gnetux: if you need more details, read man fstab |
| 11:13.10 | Eclipser | man, I want wlan :< |
| 11:13.15 | blvszcz | Guerin: using squid |
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| 11:13.23 | Guerin | blvszcz: #squid |
| 11:13.47 | Kerr | well, i'd look for another dns server, but the uni's servers are pushing up daisies :-/ |
| 11:14.16 | liable | Kerr: use the one I gave you, then search |
| 11:14.24 | debian-in-jungle | earlier it was vesa only |
| 11:14.47 | debian-in-jungle | is Intel chipset not supported by debian ? |
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| 11:15.02 | Eclipser | my univ has three DNS servers and it's very rare that all of them crash the same time |
| 11:15.20 | liable | Kerr: or ring a local isp and ask :) |
| 11:15.40 | liable | debian-in-jungle: no, debian doesnt support intel.. |
| 11:16.09 | cn | what prog p2p can i use? |
| 11:16.16 | gnetux | Guerin: what should i write into options,dump and pass? |
| 11:16.20 | debian-in-jungle | why is that ? |
| 11:16.25 | liable | pr0n-get |
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| 11:17.09 | liable | debian-in-jungle: um, sarcasm.. sorry, yes intel is supported, except the bleeding new chips.. |
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| 11:17.42 | Guerin | gnetux: whatever other mounts have, or read man fstab |
| 11:17.47 | Guerin | i have no idea what those do |
| 11:17.56 | liable | 0,0 |
| 11:18.09 | Guerin | cn: i recommend mozilla firefox |
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| 11:18.30 | gnetux | Guerin:Should i restart my pc or it will work imideatly? |
| 11:18.32 | debian-in-jungle | i cant find any any intel driver on xserver-xfree86 configuration ..... |
| 11:18.37 | cn | guerin ? |
| 11:18.37 | Guerin | !reboot |
| 11:18.37 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 11:18.53 | Eclipser | !qotd2 |
| 11:18.53 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 11:19.07 | Guerin | cn: with mozilla firefox, you can download practically anything legal that you want |
| 11:19.39 | goki | Does anyone know how gnome/kde RC's interact in debian? I'm having no luck working out where they are, so I can fix them both |
| 11:19.39 | Eclipser | not everything |
| 11:19.48 | Eclipser | there ARE legal torrents and stuff :) |
| 11:19.48 | Guerin | no |
| 11:19.52 | Guerin | practically everything |
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| 11:20.01 | Guerin | Eclipser: and you can download them with firefox, too |
| 11:20.03 | liable | !usb storage |
| 11:20.10 | liable | meh |
| 11:20.13 | Eclipser | Guerin, umh? |
| 11:20.14 | Guerin | goki: rcs? |
| 11:20.22 | Eclipser | someone made a torrent plugin for firefox?-p |
| 11:20.30 | Guerin | Eclipser: no. the torrents. |
| 11:20.48 | Guerin | Eclipser: once you have a torrent, you can go about figuring out what client to use |
| 11:20.54 | Eclipser | he |
| 11:20.54 | goki | Guerin, sorry, .somethingRC files, like .kderc or .gtkrc |
| 11:20.55 | Eclipser | h |
| 11:20.57 | Guerin | but he's just wanting some random tool |
| 11:21.02 | Guerin | goki: oh, no idea |
| 11:21.10 | Eclipser | well yeah |
| 11:21.15 | Eclipser | he didn't specify anything |
| 11:21.32 | goki | I s know KDE does something with an RC file somewhere, but I know not what or where |
| 11:21.53 | Guerin | goki: all kde config is in /etc/kde3 or ~/.kde3 |
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| 11:21.57 | chaica | hi |
| 11:22.20 | goki | Guerin, yup, it's mainly the gtkrc I'm after |
| 11:22.25 | liable | goki: what do you actually want to do? |
| 11:22.34 | Guerin | goki: oh, .gtkrc lives in ~ |
| 11:22.58 | goki | Guerin, that's what I thought too, but I can't find it |
| 11:23.02 | chaica | does somebody know how to install a webmin module in command-line mode? |
| 11:23.16 | Eclipser | what does the "rc" mean anyway? |
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| 11:23.20 | Guerin | goki: create it, then |
| 11:24.01 | goki | liable, well, I have installed a theme called qtcurve, which is a nice matching theme for QT and GTK2. But when I run KDE, I don't have my gnome theme set. So I run gnome control center, and that sets the theme, but the font settings in there are ignored. So I guess somewhere there is a gtkrc file I can change |
| 11:24.26 | goki | liable, the problem I'm trying to fix is that it sets GTK fonts 2 poitns larger than kde fonts, thus ruining the integrated look |
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| 11:25.29 | gnetux | Guerin:I still can't mount it as a user |
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| 11:25.32 | s_ward | chaica, use elinks? |
| 11:25.34 | PeterB | Eclipser: /msg dpkg dict rc |
| 11:25.39 | mattfury | LMAO ROFL |
| 11:25.41 | Guerin | gnetux: why not? |
| 11:25.46 | liable | goki: ooh, so once you get the theme, cant you set the fonts? |
| 11:25.48 | mattfury | http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/microsoft-windows-genuine-advantage-check-cracked-under-24-hours/ |
| 11:25.53 | Guerin | mattfury: you forgot OMFG and BBQ |
| 11:26.12 | Eclipser | PeterB, ah, thanks |
| 11:26.13 | s_ward | chaica, is there something wrong with the web interface? |
| 11:26.20 | gnetux | mount: only root can do that |
| 11:26.28 | goki | oh god, all my fonts just messed up when I changed theme, I will be back in one sec |
| 11:26.36 | liable | mmm, bbq, reminds me, food time.. |
| 11:26.52 | mattfury | Guerin: fuunny |
| 11:26.56 | mattfury | i just tried |
| 11:26.58 | mattfury | it* |
| 11:27.04 | mattfury | and it works -.- |
| 11:27.17 | gnetux | Guerin:mount: only root can do that |
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| 11:27.27 | mattfury | gnetux: su |
| 11:27.31 | goki | Sorry about that liable, what did you say last? |
| 11:27.32 | mattfury | root password |
| 11:27.37 | gnetux | and??? |
| 11:27.38 | mattfury | then mount it |
| 11:27.46 | mattfury | then re-do the command |
| 11:28.07 | liable | goki: ooh, so once you get the theme, cant you set the fonts? |
| 11:28.09 | Guerin | gnetux: you don't have 'user' or 'users' set |
| 11:28.10 | gnetux | i need it as a user |
| 11:28.14 | peterS | Guerin: in the beginning was the sendmail. and sendmail had a couple of competitors, yea, even pmdf, which sucked greatly. and pmdf was used in Dynix, and some vendor Unixes, yea, and VMS, and all right-thinking unix administrators used sendmail. And debian also used sendmail. |
| 11:28.22 | Guerin | mattfury: he's trying to do it as user |
| 11:28.29 | peterS | Guerin: And lo, it came to pass that some Unix people beheld sendmail, with a complex config file and bounteous security holes, and they cried, lo, we can do better. thus there arose smail. and debian beheld smail, and saw that it was good. and debian defaulted to smail. |
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| 11:28.42 | peterS | Guerin: And it came to pass in those days that smail grew old and fat and full of holes, even as its father sendmail had done before it. And in that land there arose several Competing Implementations, and among these were qmail, exim, zmailer, and postfix. |
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| 11:28.58 | peterS | Guerin: And the fathers of Debian beheld exim, and saw that it was lovely to the eye and sweet to the config file. and qmail also was lovely, but there were some who cried, hark, qmail is non-free. and zmailer was a niche product optimized only for large queues and parallelism, and postfix was yet young. |
| 11:29.11 | peterS | Guerin: And there arose Advocates in the debian community who spake unto the community, saying, come, let us abandon our sendmail and our smail and let us move exim into the default install. and so it came to pass. |
| 11:29.22 | gnetux | Guerin:I wrote it in my fsatb |
| 11:29.24 | Guerin | !peterS++ |
| 11:29.29 | peterS | Guerin: Many years passed, and postfix matured, and zmailer faded, and sendmail shed most of its security holes, and exim evolved into exim4, and qmail continued to be non-free. |
| 11:29.31 | jetx | a quarstion: does hdparm affect the ide (chipset/controller) or does it actually affect the settings on the hd itself. |
| 11:29.39 | peterS | Guerin: And thus today we have exim4 in the default install, yea, even the descendent of exim, and none have seen fit to change the default, as this would entail a Flame War, and exim4 is rightly perceived to be Not Too Bad. |
| 11:29.44 | peterS | Guerin: the end |
| 11:29.44 | gnetux | Guerin:But it doesn't work the same |
| 11:30.00 | equex | PeterB: lmao :D |
| 11:30.01 | Guerin | peterS: you, as ever, have exceeded expectations |
| 11:30.02 | liable | wow! |
| 11:30.07 | peterS | Guerin: it was fun to write |
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| 11:30.14 | peterS | (the explanation, not exim) |
| 11:30.15 | Guerin | no doubt :) |
| 11:30.35 | Kerr | i realised i was logged in to my gome pc ot grabbed one of it's dns servers.. how would i go about forcing my uni pc to use it? |
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| 11:33.11 | debian-in-jungle | hi gurein I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but no results |
| 11:33.27 | debian-in-jungle | i am using debian sarge |
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| 11:34.07 | PeterB | !tell debian-in-jungle about nicktab |
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| 11:34.26 | hobojoe | hi, I have connected two machines to an Active Directory domain using winbind. Both machines have samba shares, but I cant figure out to authenticate against the other machine in order to browse its shares seeing that I am logged in as a local linux user and not an AD user |
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| 11:35.46 | mod^ | Hello, I installed vmware-workstation-5.0.0-13124 |
| 11:35.46 | liable | Kerr: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:35.58 | mod^ | but it keeps telling me that I should run vmware-config.pl |
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| 11:36.07 | Kerr | ah |
| 11:36.14 | Kerr | i was looking in /etc/network ~.~ |
| 11:36.15 | vivek | how do i add myself to the audio group ? is there an audio group ? |
| 11:36.18 | Kerr | thanks |
| 11:36.24 | Gathond | mod^: you probably should then |
| 11:36.26 | debian-in-jungle | Guerin: i have also manually changed h and v hertz but its showing a low resolution |
| 11:36.29 | jetx | adduser user audio (as root) |
| 11:36.34 | mod^ | Gathond: I've done that nine times for now |
| 11:36.41 | Gathond | vivek: adduser username groupname |
| 11:36.47 | jetx | debian-in-jungle: hwinfo --monitor |
| 11:36.49 | hobojoe | mod^, locate vmware-config |
| 11:36.58 | hobojoe | after you updatedb |
| 11:36.59 | mod^ | /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl |
| 11:37.03 | hobojoe | run that |
| 11:37.03 | mod^ | that I've ran |
| 11:37.05 | vivek | Gokee2, jetx tnx |
| 11:37.13 | Gathond | mod^: then it probably fails doing what it tries to do, check the output for anything failing to compile or some such |
| 11:37.16 | hobojoe | it must run into errors then ? |
| 11:37.26 | Guerin | debian-in-jungle: change the resolution. What errors be there? |
| 11:37.29 | mod^ | There aren't errors |
| 11:37.46 | hobojoe | so you enter the serial number in and then you can see it starting the services? |
| 11:37.50 | mod^ | and its the newest vmware, from tucows or smth |
| 11:38.13 | debian-in-jungle | Guerin: no errors ...it just igoneres it i guess |
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| 11:38.26 | pusling | my debian sid is keeping 7 packages back ? Why ? |
| 11:38.29 | jetx | !xmd5sum |
| 11:38.29 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 11:38.37 | Gathond | pusling: try installing them directly |
| 11:38.38 | jetx | pusling: cuz you didn't sacrifice a goat |
| 11:39.00 | pusling | Gathond: then it will remove frozen bubbles and apt-file |
| 11:39.01 | goki | liable, yup, sorry for delay... I can set the fonts in gnome control center after setting the theme, but it doesn't actually change anything |
| 11:39.04 | Gathond | pusling: basically an upgrade never installs new packages |
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| 11:39.09 | Gathond | pusling: or removes any |
| 11:39.16 | Gathond | pusling: then that is why its kept back |
| 11:39.21 | s_ward | pusling, mine is keeping a few back.. there are new apt packages, but aptitude currently depends on older |
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| 11:39.28 | jetx | slang1 is unavailable, among others |
| 11:39.31 | pusling | jetx: I might try this ;) |
| 11:39.35 | sham | hey, i have a problem where i *think* programs cant read my $PATH |
| 11:39.40 | pusling | s_ward: I removed aptitude yesterday ;) |
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| 11:39.42 | Gathond | pusling: because an upgrade will never remove anything/install new packages |
| 11:39.57 | cfarm | why? sham? |
| 11:39.57 | Gathond | pusling: probably some dependency issue currently |
| 11:40.00 | jetx | dselect is good |
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| 11:40.18 | jetx | but still won't install the held packages. but, it will tell you why. |
| 11:40.19 | sham | cfarm: well code::blocks says it cant read my path |
| 11:40.20 | sham | and |
| 11:40.30 | sham | beagle firefox extension says it cant find beagle-index-url in my $path |
| 11:40.33 | sham | even though it clearly is |
| 11:40.57 | jetx | slang1 and a couple others aren't available.... libmpeg0something |
| 11:40.57 | Gathond | pusling: but installing one package expressly will inform you why its held back (or install it if its just a new dependency) |
| 11:41.00 | pusling | sham: is beagle packed for debian yet ? |
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| 11:41.12 | sham | i didnt apt it |
| 11:41.17 | cfarm | what extension? |
| 11:41.18 | sham | but thats not really the problem |
| 11:41.20 | vivek | pusling: no i don't think so |
| 11:41.26 | sham | i think its just somthing to do with my $Path |
| 11:42.07 | pusling | sham: then PATH=$PATH:/path/to/beagle-indexurl firefox |
| 11:42.20 | sham | its in there |
| 11:42.31 | aubergine | first day with debian server instead suse |
| 11:42.35 | aubergine | and i love it |
| 11:42.37 | sham | if i run beagle-index-url from console its fine |
| 11:42.49 | sham | it would seem that programs cant read my path? |
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| 11:43.11 | jetx | ah |
| 11:43.16 | dave_ | Odd technical question: is there a way to run X11 in grayscale if my drivers don't support a Grayscale mode? like some way to turn off the colors in xorg? |
| 11:43.20 | jetx | path in xterm != console path |
| 11:43.24 | pusling | sham: if you try what I told, you know what path firefox knows |
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| 11:43.28 | PaladinoFugace | liable, Hey Liable, I actually solved putting a DNS ip address in resolv.conf. Before it tried to get it from the router. Now I hope it is not overwritten when I shutdown. Thanks for help. |
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| 11:43.54 | sham | ah ok,e 1 sec |
| 11:44.11 | jetx | path for user is set in gdm.conf, probably kdmrc, and others |
| 11:44.23 | jetx | if you use those |
| 11:44.39 | liable | PaladinoFugace: :), it prolly will be if you use dhcp, but you can not use it if you like. |
| 11:44.48 | dave_ | !beer me |
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| 11:44.56 | cfarm | you could set your $PATH in ~/.bash_profile |
| 11:45.10 | cahoot | dave_: depth 1? |
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| 11:45.31 | dave_ | ? |
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| 11:45.38 | cfarm | how can I send bug report about deb package? |
| 11:46.02 | pusling | cfarm: reportbug |
| 11:46.04 | cahoot | dave_: -depth 1 in xorg.conf (i e color depth - man xorg) just an idea |
| 11:46.19 | gnetux | Guerin:Where user or users must be set? |
| 11:46.25 | dave_ | cahoot: ah, i'll look into it, thanks |
| 11:46.29 | sham | i have to run, thx for the help. i'll look more into it when i get back |
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| 11:47.51 | emurz | hello, how can I restart x? |
| 11:48.14 | cfarm | startx |
| 11:48.15 | pusling | emurz: crtl-alt-backspace |
| 11:48.59 | witch | or with /etc/init.d/xdm (gdm, kdm) |
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| 11:49.34 | jetx | /etc/init.d/?dm functions |
| 11:49.47 | emurz | thanks |
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| 11:51.12 | jetx | a quarstion: does hdparm affect the ide (chipset/controller) or does it actually affect the settings on the hd itself. |
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| 11:53.38 | Spods | blergh |
| 11:53.53 | Spods | five hours and still not fix my ddns problem today |
| 11:53.58 | Spods | hello all |
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| 11:56.26 | Spods | anyone awake? |
| 11:57.32 | Guerin | Spods: no |
| 11:57.34 | an_kalenk83 | any indonesian people here? |
| 11:57.59 | Spods | actively sleeping at the keyboard then? |
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| 11:58.51 | libc6 | i have a very interesting problem here. i upgraded my testing/unstable machine this morning and during the process of upgrading to libc6-2.3.5 X crashed and now the system is totally broken.i've been copying over ld-2.3.2.so and libm-2.3.2 etc from a live cd but this error: "relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol _errno version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference." |
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| 11:59.14 | tarzeau | anyone wants to try a nonfree game package? |
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| 11:59.33 | saloxin | libc6: libc transitions are a world of pain |
| 11:59.43 | saloxin | tarzeau: me! |
| 11:59.54 | Spods | what kind of game? |
| 11:59.56 | libc6 | saloxin tell me about it. is debian in transition now? |
| 11:59.59 | tarzeau | saloxin: you'll need to install the -data too, http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/xrick/ |
| 12:00.04 | tarzeau | Spods: clone of rick dangerous |
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| 12:00.24 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 12:00.36 | libc6 | is debian in libc transition now? my system is totally unuseable/unbootable |
| 12:00.54 | Guerin | libc6: if it is, the bts will know |
| 12:00.55 | libc6 | this libpthread relocation err is a little beyond me. |
| 12:00.55 | Seb | i'm running 2.6.11-1-precompiled from debian, 686, and in the corresponding config, there is no config_usb_pwc (philips webcam, why is that ?) |
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| 12:01.04 | Guerin | libc6: testing or unstable? |
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| 12:01.06 | nevyn | libc6: no it's in gcc ABI transition |
| 12:01.06 | s_ward | libc6, sid is, see /topic |
| 12:01.10 | libc6 | testing/unstable |
| 12:01.10 | Seb | hrm editing went wrong, i meant 2.6.11-1-686 |
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| 12:01.24 | Guerin | Seb: i believe pwc is patent-encumbered or some similar such |
| 12:01.30 | Seb | this is not even *mentioned* in the config-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 12:01.33 | Seb | Guerin: oh really ? |
| 12:01.33 | Guerin | libc6: no, it's either one or the other |
| 12:01.36 | nevyn | libc6: they're two different things |
| 12:01.38 | Seb | Guerin: this makes sense |
| 12:01.40 | libc6 | any ideas how to solve: "relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol _errno version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference." |
| 12:01.49 | Guerin | !jatfq libc6 |
| 12:01.50 | dpkg | libc6: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
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| 12:02.36 | libc6 | this machine is testing/unstable |
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| 12:02.49 | Guerin | NO IT FUCKING IS NOT |
| 12:02.58 | Guerin | YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER |
| 12:02.59 | libc6 | i use a preferences file for pinning. |
| 12:03.01 | Seb | Guerin: you're right, it seems to be apt-gettable separately |
| 12:03.06 | Seb | !comfort Guerin |
| 12:03.07 | dpkg | There, there, Guerin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:03.11 | libc6 | Seb: hmm.. so what should i do? |
| 12:03.16 | Seb | !beer Guerin |
| 12:03.24 | Seb | libc6: shit, I don't even know what yer problem is |
| 12:03.33 | Seb | libc6: and I don't wanna know either |
| 12:03.39 | saloxin | tarzeau: installs and runs on my sargeish system |
| 12:03.46 | libc6 | Seb: ok cheers. |
| 12:03.47 | liable | hmm, why would exim hang on my 2.6.13 and 2.6.11 kernals, but not my old 2.6.7 |
| 12:03.52 | Guerin | libc6: which release is pinned up |
| 12:04.09 | libc6 | Guerin: unstable is pinned back to prefer testing |
| 12:04.32 | Guerin | !info libc6 testing |
| 12:04.33 | libc6 | guerin the system doesn't boot atm, but i can chroot into it. |
| 12:04.40 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (etch), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 12:04.42 | Guerin | !info libc6 unstable |
| 12:04.47 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4811 kB, Installed size: 16336 kB |
| 12:04.55 | libc6 | ahah great cheers |
| 12:05.04 | Guerin | libc6: your system is clearly trying to install the sid libc6 |
| 12:05.22 | jetx | hey does anybody remember the question i asked? if not it must be time to spam it again... :) |
| 12:05.32 | libc6 | yep, seems to be the deal. ok i'll kill off unstable all together i think. |
| 12:05.33 | Guerin | libc6: i suggest you file a bug against libc6 stating exactly what is happening, and wait a few days until it gets fixed |
| 12:05.38 | Guerin | libc6: won't help |
| 12:05.53 | Spods | jetx: im not sure i was even in the channel when you asked the question |
| 12:06.07 | tarzeau | saloxin: thanks |
| 12:06.11 | Gathond | I remember one coming here last night with a similiar problem, the new sid libc6 failing to install and leaving the system broken |
| 12:06.15 | liable | someone else was bitching about libc6 today. |
| 12:06.22 | PeterB | tarzeau: Works. |
| 12:06.27 | saloxin | tarzeau: it's cute ;-) |
| 12:06.31 | tarzeau | saloxin: have fun ;) |
| 12:06.34 | jetx | well i pasted it twice so far, wouldn't want to tick Guerin off any more... :) hahahah Guerin j/k |
| 12:06.40 | libc6 | guerin: so i can't roll back without further breakage? atm /lib/ld-linux.so.0 --> ld-2.3.2 |
| 12:06.42 | Guerin | lol |
| 12:06.47 | Guerin | you can try |
| 12:07.22 | libc6 | a couple of freinds have broken systems also. they are battling it out, we're on the phone trying to sort it out ;) |
| 12:07.29 | jetx | i gave up on a stable sid, so i dualboot etch and sarge atm |
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| 12:07.55 | Gathond | libc6: I would grap a debian based liveCD, and use its dpkg to install a known working libc6 package onto your system |
| 12:07.59 | cbr | libc6 2.3.5 works here |
| 12:07.59 | jetx | errr etch and sid that is |
| 12:08.02 | liable | libc6: file a bug, I checked about three hours ago, no grave bugs.. |
| 12:08.08 | libc6 | ok |
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| 12:08.32 | Gathond | pusling: naah, think I'll delay updating also:), dont care much for libc6 breakage |
| 12:08.34 | Guerin | libc6: if you're sure this isn't a KCI error, file a bug with 'critical' severity |
| 12:08.47 | jetx | see also pebkac |
| 12:09.09 | Guerin | pusling: i do too, but i've been away from home for two weeks and i'm leaving again tomorrow |
| 12:09.14 | Guerin | so no fixy fixy |
| 12:09.14 | libc6 | Gathond: naturally dpkg doesn't run on the chrooted system, i'll look into using dpkg -x for salve |
| 12:09.26 | jetx | a (3rd paste) quarstion: does hdparm affect the ide (chipset/controller) or does it actually affect the settings on the hd itself. |
| 12:09.44 | Gathond | libc6: dpkg can be told what location to use as root when installing a package |
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| 12:09.51 | valdyn | jetx: neither, it affects the driver. |
| 12:09.56 | libc6 | Gathond: ahah that's interesting. didn't know this. |
| 12:10.00 | Gathond | libc6: so just mount you drives using the liveCD as they normally would |
| 12:10.08 | libc6 | ok |
| 12:10.20 | Gathond | libc6: at least it had last time I trashed libc6 :) |
| 12:10.21 | pusling | Gathond: still no breakage for me |
| 12:10.25 | jetx | ahhh that's what i wanted thankee valdyn |
| 12:10.27 | libc6 | hehe |
| 12:10.29 | Gathond | pusling: updated today? |
| 12:10.48 | pusling | Gathond: yesterday at midnight, danish time zone |
| 12:10.59 | liable | pusling: I have a new libc6 waiting for me, but um.. |
| 12:11.02 | libc6 | pusling: three friends also with a pinned testing/unstable rigs all went down this morning. |
| 12:11.16 | valdyn | jetx: dma requires hardware specific drivers, pio mode does not, thats the whole reason why there even is a way to switch between both |
| 12:11.18 | liable | pusling: and another today, same problem.. |
| 12:11.21 | Gathond | pusling: the libc6 might have been a bit later than that |
| 12:11.31 | pusling | Gathond: there was a new libc6 |
| 12:11.33 | libc6 | but maybe we're all off our trolleys and have similar stupidities in /etc/apt/preferences ;) |
| 12:11.34 | Guerin | um |
| 12:11.41 | Guerin | all packages are updated at the same time |
| 12:11.50 | Gathond | pusling: they guy who talked about it yesterday did so after 24.00 and said it had just appeared then |
| 12:11.59 | tarzeau | PeterB: thanks for testing as well |
| 12:12.00 | liable | yes, but doesnt mean pusling has the latest.. |
| 12:12.06 | Gathond | might of cause have been his mirror that fucked up |
| 12:12.09 | PeterB | tarzeau: Haha. It's fun :P |
| 12:12.11 | libc6 | well, time to reboot and work out this dpkg to new root. |
| 12:12.32 | tarzeau | PeterB: hehe ;) you're so late, that's like the games of 1990 |
| 12:12.34 | pusling | Gathond: when I_try to apt-get dist-upgrade, no new libc6 |
| 12:12.44 | pusling | 00:33 * pusling upgrades libc6. hopes nothing breaks ;) |
| 12:12.54 | libc6 | cheers all, let's see how this goes. |
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| 12:12.57 | PeterB | tarzeau: Umm, I was, well, a year old back then :) |
| 12:13.09 | Gathond | pusling: having just done a update? |
| 12:13.09 | Guerin | kiddiwinks1 |
| 12:13.20 | jetx | ah crap early work today bye bye |
| 12:13.23 | tarzeau | PeterB: wait, you're 15 years old? |
| 12:13.26 | saloxin | libc6: good luck. may the --force-all be with you |
| 12:13.29 | PeterB | tarzeau: Bingo. |
| 12:13.36 | libc6 | cheers ;) |
| 12:14.54 | pusling | Gathond: some packages kept back, but no libc6 kept back |
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| 12:15.02 | Gathond | pusling: ok |
| 12:15.11 | pusling | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.26 | Gathond | pusling: still think I'll skip the upgrade until I at some point have time to handle the breakage should it occur |
| 12:15.49 | Gathond | pusling: try installing then one by one |
| 12:15.59 | pusling | but I don't know if I am saved by experimental ); |
| 12:16.00 | pusling | ;) |
| 12:16.15 | pusling | Gathond: have tried installing them one by one. |
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| 12:16.41 | Gathond | pusling: ok, all got some dependency problem? |
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| 12:16.53 | pusling | apt wants to remove apt-file - libsdl* wants to remove frozenbubbles, ... |
| 12:17.03 | Ireul | hi |
| 12:17.03 | Ireul | please |
| 12:17.16 | liable | pusling: whats your version now? |
| 12:17.28 | pusling | liable: version of libc? |
| 12:17.29 | gnetux | Guerin:Why i cannot access my ntfs partition as a user?? |
| 12:17.31 | Gathond | pusling: yeah, I think I had that as well, must be some dependency thing that waits to be resolved with a new package of frozenbubble |
| 12:17.38 | liable | pusling: yeah |
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| 12:18.36 | Ireul | I'v got a problem with /etc/network/interfaces on sarge: iface eth0 inet static address x.x.x.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway x.x.x.1 didn't work |
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| 12:18.46 | Ireul | told me network is unreachable |
| 12:19.00 | ankon | hi. is there any way to install debian using a serial connection? |
| 12:19.27 | pusling | liable: libc6_2.3.5-3_i386.deb i think |
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| 12:19.49 | Spods | Ireul: if you don't have auto eth0 as well, you have to manually bring the interface up' |
| 12:19.53 | liable | pusling: thats what I have, with a new one incoming.. |
| 12:20.12 | liable | pusling: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 12:20.39 | Ireul | Spods: I've got it |
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| 12:20.51 | pusling | liable: 2.3.5-3 |
| 12:20.53 | Ireul | Spods: but when I do ifup eth0, I got network is unreachable |
| 12:20.56 | pusling | liable: what mirrors do you une = |
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| 12:21.00 | pusling | use ? |
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| 12:21.04 | Spods | Ireul: what about a broadcast option? |
| 12:21.20 | liable | pusling: ,au |
| 12:21.28 | Guerin | gnetux: sure you can |
| 12:21.31 | Ireul | spods x.x.x.255 |
| 12:22.01 | pusling | liable: I am on ftp.debian.org and ftp.de.debian.org |
| 12:22.01 | gnetux | Guerin:i can mount it as user but can access |
| 12:22.06 | ankon | ah okay. found something. |
| 12:22.31 | mulet | hi guys, does the kernel-2.6.8 contains an option for the nvidia LAN ? (nforce2 built-in LAN) |
| 12:22.34 | gnetux | Guerin: bash: cd: /XP: Permission denied |
| 12:22.52 | Spods | Ireul: what exactly are you trying to do? is this a machine that didn't used to have a network card and your adding one now? or are you trying to add a second interface? |
| 12:22.54 | Ireul | Spods: auto eth0 |
| 12:23.16 | pusling | liable: it is 2.3.5-3 that is in sid, according to packages.d.o |
| 12:23.27 | Ireul | Spods: I've got one interface on a machine eth0, now working in dhcp |
| 12:23.30 | gnetux | Guerin: I changed permissions with chown but it still don.t work |
| 12:23.53 | Ireul | Spods: I'd like to make eth0 static |
| 12:24.24 | liable | pusling: well, I have that, and have a new one ready to install.. |
| 12:24.36 | Spods | Treul: and when you change the /etc/network/interfaces your getting network unreachable? |
| 12:24.39 | pusling | liable: weird |
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| 12:26.09 | Guerin | gnetux: you need to mount vfat and ntfs with appropriate uid, gid and/or umask |
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| 12:26.09 | Spods | am i still hear? |
| 12:26.16 | Spods | here i mean |
| 12:26.20 | Spods | guess so |
| 12:26.22 | Guerin | gnetux: ask dpkg about vfatrw |
| 12:26.24 | tarzeau | !test Spods |
| 12:26.24 | dpkg | Testing Spods... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$ |
| 12:26.28 | Ireul | yes |
| 12:26.32 | Spods | that'll do it |
| 12:26.39 | knt | hi all, while trying to compile gcc-3.4.3, i met with an incredible error: "stdio.h: No such file or directory". any ideas for solution? |
| 12:26.41 | Ireul | Spods: yes |
| 12:26.50 | Guerin | !wayc knt |
| 12:26.51 | dpkg | knt: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 12:27.10 | tarzeau | knt: got libc6-dev ? |
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| 12:27.15 | Guerin | NEVER compile something as critical as gcc unless you know what the fuck you're doing, which you clearly don't |
| 12:27.16 | Spods | Ireul: what was providing your DHCP before, a server, or a device (like a broadband modem) |
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| 12:27.30 | tarzeau | Guerin: maybe it's not available in debian? there's so much that's not available in debian... |
| 12:28.08 | Guerin | tarzeau: if he doesn't know about stdio.h, he doesn't need to build gcc from scratch |
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| 12:28.26 | Gathond | knt: why would that be an incredible error? |
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| 12:28.37 | pusling | knt: if you have not heard of stdio.h - don't compile gcc yourself |
| 12:28.38 | Gathond | knt: sounds pretty credible to me |
| 12:28.41 | Guerin | it's perfectly credible |
| 12:28.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:28.47 | Ireul | Spods: another LINUX box |
| 12:29.00 | mulet | i just install debian 3.1, kernel 2.6.8-2-686 and i need >=gtk2.4, does anybody know which ackage i need ? |
| 12:29.02 | gnetux | Guerin:How? |
| 12:29.14 | knt | dpkg, yes. (compiling from scratch. not deb-src.) |
| 12:29.18 | knt | tarzeau, yes. |
| 12:29.25 | Guerin | knt: don't |
| 12:29.31 | libc6 | Gathond: cheers for your help before. a bit stuck on something here. when i dpkg --root=/mnt/ -i <myLibc6Package> i get the error "dpkg error: syntax error: Unknown group 'Debian-Exim' in statusoverride file". what's a good work around for this given i can't chroot here? |
| 12:29.34 | _flosch | hi |
| 12:29.36 | pusling | liable: I just added ftp.au.debian.org to my sources.list - still no new libc6 |
| 12:29.47 | knt | Guerin, trying to prepare a lfs. i do. |
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| 12:30.07 | Guerin | knt: it's from scratch. figure it out for yourself. |
| 12:30.10 | Guerin | !b0-e |
| 12:30.13 | Guerin | !b-e |
| 12:30.13 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 12:30.14 | pusling | knt: if you haven't heard of stdio.h - don't run lfs |
| 12:30.15 | Gathond | libc6: have you mounted enough to have /mnt/var? |
| 12:30.17 | Spods | Iruel: there's no reason that shouldn't work then, providing you have the right settings and you down/up your network interface |
| 12:30.19 | Guerin | really |
| 12:30.43 | Guerin | you're going to be completely fucked if you can't even build the toolchain in a fully functional environment |
| 12:30.54 | libc6 | Gathond: hmm not quite sure what you mean.. |
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| 12:31.01 | knt | pusling, i'm aware of what stdio.h is. please try to help, not flood. |
| 12:31.08 | Gathond | libc6: but I dont know what that error indicates, other than an error in dpkg's status information |
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| 12:31.21 | pusling | knt: learn about apt-file |
| 12:31.36 | Gathond | libc6: how much of the machines real filesystem is mounted in /mnt (everything?) |
| 12:31.39 | knt | pusling, i'm aware of it too. |
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| 12:31.51 | pusling | knt: apt-file search stdio.h |
| 12:32.01 | libc6 | Gathond: it seems it needs to perform a groupwise installation, but given the liveCD groups differ from the root=/mnt's, there's a clash. |
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| 12:32.13 | Guerin | so you're both unaware of the basic 'no dev libs' error, AND unable to use a search tool you ALREADY KNOW ABOUT? |
| 12:32.15 | libc6 | Gathond: i can see /mnt/vat yes.. |
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| 12:32.20 | Guerin | poor bastard |
| 12:32.24 | Gathond | libc6: but dpkg should use everything relative to /mnt/ with that root argument |
| 12:32.27 | Guerin | delusions of 1337 |
| 12:32.28 | libc6 | Gathond: i can see /mnt/var* |
| 12:32.36 | AngTalunin | hey, i'm trying to net install debian, but he doesn't connect to dhcp, while windows works on the same connection? |
| 12:32.44 | Chorium | does debian support amd64? :S |
| 12:32.48 | Gathond | libc6: of cause that might not include added groups on the system |
| 12:32.53 | AngTalunin | anybody knows how to set up manually the ehternet connection? |
| 12:32.55 | libc6 | Gathond: yes i would have thought so too. seems it's not quite as good as that in this case. |
| 12:32.55 | Gathond | libc6: you could try --force-all :) |
| 12:33.00 | pusling | Chorium: yes |
| 12:33.05 | Chorium | :o |
| 12:33.07 | libc6 | Gathond: i did ;) |
| 12:33.09 | Chorium | nice |
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| 12:33.45 | libc6 | Gathond: ok, i'll poke around. the thing is i've fixed nearly all the files, i just can't resolve this redirection error for libpthread.so.0 |
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| 12:34.25 | gimi_123 | hi, I'm using the kde on sarge and want to start a second X session, on my old system I had a button 'start new session' on my kde menu, how can I enable that here? |
| 12:35.03 | Gathond | libc6: cant remember running into that error when I did it .. you could probably try to google it |
| 12:35.07 | AngTalunin | with what program can i setup ethernet after install from netinstall cd |
| 12:35.24 | tarzeau | AngTalunin: $EDITOR |
| 12:35.25 | Gathond | AngTalunin: any text editor |
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| 12:36.11 | AngTalunin | and then? which file to edit? |
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| 12:36.21 | Gathond | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:36.27 | Chorium | hmm.. does debian install cd have drivers for integrated Fast Ethernet MAC :E |
| 12:36.56 | libc6 | Gathond: i don't have access to X here.. oh, i'll use lynx. |
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| 12:37.40 | AngTalunin | which editor is standard on debian netinstall |
| 12:37.49 | Eclipser | vi ? |
| 12:37.53 | Eclipser | nano? |
| 12:37.53 | DrShade | Greetings - I was wondering if anybody had any recommendations on a mud client that would hopefully be in the package system? |
| 12:37.57 | ufoalien | AngTalunin: vi |
| 12:38.10 | emurz | eclipser: what can I do if a program freezes? |
| 12:38.12 | Eclipser | DrShade, tinyfogue (or something) |
| 12:38.15 | Eclipser | emurz, kill it |
| 12:38.19 | Gathond | emurz: generally kill it |
| 12:38.19 | ufoalien | AngTalunin: echo and cat! |
| 12:38.31 | AngTalunin | ok, and what kind of file must i create? |
| 12:38.33 | Eclipser | DrShade, tinyfugue actually |
| 12:38.36 | libc6 | HAH fixed |
| 12:38.39 | libc6 | cooooll |
| 12:38.41 | ufoalien | emurz: kill -9 <pid> |
| 12:38.43 | DrShade | Eclipser, I have heard good things about that. |
| 12:38.52 | Eclipser | emurz, or killall <name> |
| 12:39.03 | Eclipser | or pkill :) |
| 12:39.03 | libc6 | blasted recursive symlinks |
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| 12:39.22 | libc6 | oks cheers all. back in business |
| 12:39.24 | AngTalunin | i see iface dsl-provider inet ppp....etc what to change here? |
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| 12:39.41 | DrShade | Eclipser, I don't believe it's in the package system though, or am I wrong? |
| 12:39.42 | Eclipser | DrShade, it's cool after you're done with the configuration |
| 12:39.46 | Eclipser | it is |
| 12:39.49 | Eclipser | aptitude install tf |
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| 12:40.17 | Eclipser | sadly I don't have time to play MUDs anymore :< |
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| 12:40.20 | DrShade | Eclipser, ahah, it's under 'tf' |
| 12:40.23 | timo_ | when i boot a customized compiled kernel i get the following error message: http://pastebin.com/330591 |
| 12:40.34 | timo_ | 2.6.8-2 k7 |
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| 12:41.15 | s_ward | timo_, did you do what the error message says? |
| 12:41.28 | liable | hmm, well libc6 upgrade hasnt broken this box. |
| 12:41.29 | emurz | Eclipser: alsa here chooses the wrong soundcard version, it chooses Realtek id 90, while I have Realtek ALC850, how can I fix it |
| 12:41.36 | AngTalunin | how to check if you've got the right drivers for your ehternetdevice? |
| 12:42.02 | Eclipser | emurz, uh, I'm no alsa expert and I only have one sound card, you should probably ask generally :) |
| 12:42.05 | Eclipser | or #alsa |
| 12:42.07 | timo_ | s_ward: root (hd0,0) |
| 12:42.15 | timo_ | as all the other kernels that work |
| 12:42.26 | Eclipser | AngTalunin, it should work if you have the right drivers :) |
| 12:42.27 | xoz | ifconfig should be able to show some info if your eth is detected |
| 12:42.42 | Eclipser | xoz, not neccessarily |
| 12:42.49 | Eclipser | dmesg should, though |
| 12:43.01 | emurz | Eclipser: do you use kde btw |
| 12:43.05 | Eclipser | no |
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| 12:43.59 | DrShade | Eclipser, I am going to check it it out, thank you! :) |
| 12:44.11 | emurz | Eclipser: then which window manager |
| 12:44.21 | Eclipser | I'm using xfce4 |
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| 12:44.53 | timo_ | s_ward: or do you mean anything elese? |
| 12:44.54 | timo_ | else |
| 12:45.07 | AngTalunin | Eclipser: how can i check if i've got the right drivers? |
| 12:45.32 | tosh | Im running woody on a box with 3 realtek NICs that are all supported by the 8139too module. but the module doesn't load at boot and all scripts related to the NICs fail. I always have to modprobe the module manually. why isn't the module loaded at boot? |
| 12:45.34 | Eclipser | AngTalunin, `dmesg | grep eth` perhaps |
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| 12:45.37 | dfd | Hello |
| 12:45.47 | s_ward | timo_, I googled and found this, it may be relevant: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=159026 |
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| 12:46.13 | AngTalunin | Eclipser, when i try pppoeconf it sees an eth0 device |
| 12:46.48 | timo_ | s_ward: thanks, i'll have a look |
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| 12:46.54 | Eclipser | AngTalunin, what's your problem, really |
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| 12:47.04 | onlinebacon | hello everyone! |
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| 12:47.30 | dfd | I need to install the libGL libraries.. I installed xlibmesa-gl-dev. libGL.so points to libGL.so.1.2 that does not exist. So I installed xlibmesa-gl. According to debian website and `dpkg -L', this package has installed libGL.so.1.2, but it's wrong, the file is not there... |
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| 12:48.08 | AngTalunin | I've got an old Dell pc and want to netinstall debian. While installing i was told the dhcp host couldn't be received (which is strange, cause it works fine, it's a univeristy network here), so no i can't get a ehternet connection |
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| 12:48.23 | Eclipser | dfd, ls /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 ? |
| 12:48.37 | liable | pusling: well, after an upgrade, still 2.3.5-3 and still working, so must be something else :) |
| 12:48.38 | dfd | Eclipser: ls: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2: No such file or directory |
| 12:48.51 | Eclipser | that's funny |
| 12:49.05 | dfd | not funny at all |
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| 12:49.06 | Eclipser | how about /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 12:49.07 | dfd | I need it |
| 12:49.19 | dfd | same error |
| 12:49.29 | liable | !find libGL.so.1.2 |
| 12:49.29 | Eclipser | AngTalunin, your univ provides DHCP server? not static IPs? |
| 12:49.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL.so.1.2' (2): (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2, /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2) in libs/xlibmesa-gl ;; (/usr/lib/debug/libGL.so.1.2, /usr/X11R6/lib/debug/libGL.so.1.2) in libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dbg. |
| 12:49.56 | dfd | eh.. |
| 12:49.56 | timo_ | s_ward: in what way would that site be relevant??? |
| 12:49.59 | ankon | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.00 | cn | is there a prg for debian of filesharing? |
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| 12:50.11 | dfd | !find-where-really-is libGL.so.1.2 |
| 12:50.21 | AngTalunin | well i thought it was dhcp, every pc gets the same ip everytime that pc's boots |
| 12:50.21 | liable | cn: you mean for network file sharing? |
| 12:50.33 | s_ward | timo_, there was talk of a work-around for that error message |
| 12:50.39 | Eclipser | AngTalunin, but you were never given a static IP? |
| 12:50.45 | ankon | are there any known problems whne running debian 3.1 linux26 with console=ttyS0 on a pentiumMMX? |
| 12:50.47 | AngTalunin | nope |
| 12:50.48 | cn | liable: p2p |
| 12:50.58 | dfd | somebody here can tell me how to install libGL libraries? |
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| 12:51.20 | timo_ | s_ward: ok.. |
| 12:51.20 | Eclipser | dfd, apt-get install --reinstall xlibmesa-gl |
| 12:51.21 | ankon | Anders, where do i send kernel panic messages to? |
| 12:51.22 | s_ward | timo_, I don't know anything else about the problem |
| 12:51.23 | tactless | What commands are used for managing rc?.d on Debian? |
| 12:51.25 | Phated | Ehm? If you always have the same IP, isn't that more likely a static? |
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| 12:51.33 | cn | to download music ecc |
| 12:51.36 | timo_ | s_ward: noted, thanks |
| 12:51.38 | cn | and something so |
| 12:51.41 | onlinebacon | jidgo is confusing for windows |
| 12:51.43 | AngTalunin | ok, but how to setup a static ip? |
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| 12:51.47 | liable | cn: torrent |
| 12:51.51 | pusling | liable: okay, fine ;) |
| 12:52.00 | liable | AngTalunin: man interfaces |
| 12:52.05 | dfd | tactless, rcconf? |
| 12:52.08 | Eclipser | AngTalunin, expert setup should ask for it, I can't remember :) |
| 12:52.08 | cn | liable: apt-get install torrent? |
| 12:52.26 | tactless | dfd: 10x |
| 12:52.28 | liable | cn: apt-get install clue |
| 12:52.42 | pngwn | liable++ |
| 12:52.42 | tosh | Im running woody on a box with 3 realtek NICs that are all supported by the 8139too module. but the module doesn't load at boot and all scripts related to the NICs fail. I always have to modprobe the module manually. why isn't the module loaded at boot? |
| 12:53.13 | dfd | Eclipser, thanks, it worked |
| 12:53.16 | s_ward | timo_, I actually reached that from this, which actually describes your error message: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=160269 |
| 12:53.29 | Eclipser | tosh, you probably don't have discover installed, add the module name to /etc/modules |
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| 12:53.32 | liable | pusling: weird no version change.. |
| 12:53.43 | Eclipser | :q |
| 12:53.44 | Eclipser | whops |
| 12:53.45 | cn | liabel: what is clue? |
| 12:53.49 | dfd | bye all and thanks |
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| 12:54.09 | tosh | Eclipser thanks |
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| 12:54.59 | pusling | liable: maybe all corrections mas a manpage typo ;) |
| 12:55.17 | liable | cn: google linux torrent |
| 12:55.35 | liable | pusling: possibly.. |
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| 12:55.58 | Eclipser | liable, don't you just hate newbies who just keep asking you questions when you try to help them once |
| 12:55.59 | liable | pusling: although libc6-dev was upgraded too, but still.. |
| 12:56.26 | liable | Eclipser: nah, its all good. |
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| 12:56.42 | Eclipser | I usually lose my nerves after a while |
| 12:57.03 | liable | Eclipser: I dont mind really, but yeah eventually you snap. :) |
| 12:57.08 | tosh | Eclipser thats the moment you give them a amazon url pointing to a decent linux book |
| 12:57.13 | Eclipser | :) |
| 12:57.28 | cn | calm is for strong |
| 12:57.31 | cn | not for all |
| 12:57.53 | Eclipser | or give them http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 12:58.00 | cn | suck |
| 12:58.05 | goccia | cn: get into streamripping :) |
| 12:58.15 | goccia | much better |
| 12:58.23 | cn | who has called u |
| 12:58.26 | Eclipser | !u |
| 12:58.26 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 12:58.37 | liable | cn: but really, the questions your'e asking can be easily answered with google, and no need to get smart here. |
| 12:58.45 | cn | liabel: yes |
| 12:58.59 | cn | :) |
| 12:59.02 | PeterB | !tell cn about nicktab |
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| 12:59.09 | cn | sorry |
| 12:59.10 | cn | :P |
| 12:59.19 | goccia | cn: i do not like fighting ,so calm down as you said before |
| 12:59.22 | liable | cn: please learn to use tab completion too, your spelling sucks.. |
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| 12:59.27 | cn | ehehe |
| 12:59.30 | cn | ok |
| 12:59.34 | cn | i will |
| 12:59.40 | cn | liable, ok |
| 12:59.46 | liable | :) |
| 12:59.47 | pngwn | cn, and lay off the enter key ;) |
| 12:59.53 | cn | lay? |
| 12:59.53 | c64sprite | hi, i am using debian/testing my fluxbox 0.9.12 does not show text in window titles nor menus, can you help ? |
| 13:00.00 | tosh | installed sshd on this new woody box, apt-get'ed sshd but when a succesful login occurs, the connection is closed by the sshd. I ran sshd with debug level DEBUG3 and the client with -vv and it seems to be stuck in the sshd doing a "mm_request_send_enterering: type 51" . its like PAM is not answering the call? |
| 13:00.08 | Eclipser | anyone willing to do my introduction to DSP test on monday? I'm too sick to be able to study :< |
| 13:00.19 | liable | tosh: *new* woody box? |
| 13:00.21 | Phated | Excuses, excuses. |
| 13:00.37 | cn | pngwn, what does it mean ly off? |
| 13:00.45 | tosh | liable I just installed woody on it, for me, its new :) |
| 13:00.53 | Eclipser | tosh, ever considered installing sarge?-p |
| 13:00.54 | tosh | running sarge on my laptops |
| 13:01.03 | Eclipser | why are you running woody |
| 13:01.15 | tosh | stability and company policy :/ |
| 13:01.17 | pngwn | cn, it means stop with the fucking enter key after every word or two |
| 13:01.24 | liable | tosh: well, woody is the *old* debian stable, do yourself a favour and put sare on it :) |
| 13:01.26 | cn | ahhhh ok pngwn |
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| 13:01.52 | tosh | liable its still supported isn't it? |
| 13:01.55 | Eclipser | woody is like dead old |
| 13:02.13 | tosh | ill do a dist-upgrade later on than |
| 13:02.19 | liable | tosh: for another while yes, but why? |
| 13:02.20 | tosh | any thoughts on the ssh problem? |
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| 13:03.16 | ma3x | is there software to convert big avi -> divx? |
| 13:03.46 | emurz | how can I unload a specific module |
| 13:04.03 | liable | ma3x: um, why? dvix is avi. |
| 13:04.07 | ma3x | emurz, rmmod, or modprobe |
| 13:04.15 | ma3x | liable, I got really BIG avi files |
| 13:04.18 | ma3x | it's not divx |
| 13:04.22 | liable | emurz: modprobe -r foo |
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| 13:04.59 | liable | ma3x: and what is it then? |
| 13:05.13 | ma3x | Microsoft AVI video |
| 13:05.15 | Eclipser | liable, avi is just a placeholder which can hold almost any kind of compressed video/audio :) |
| 13:05.26 | Eclipser | or uncompressed |
| 13:05.33 | ma3x | it's like 3 mins = 1 GB |
| 13:05.34 | Eclipser | ma3x, memcoder |
| 13:05.41 | Eclipser | comes with mplayer |
| 13:05.41 | liable | yes but what do you think by converting to divx/xvid it will help? |
| 13:05.56 | ma3x | it will compress it at least 10x ! |
| 13:06.12 | ma3x | I mean 3 mins 1 GB ?? |
| 13:06.14 | ma3x | come on |
| 13:06.15 | liable | wtf 3mins = 1 gig? |
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| 13:06.33 | ma3x | yes |
| 13:06.44 | ma3x | that's the original |
| 13:06.50 | liable | ma3x: get off the crack. |
| 13:06.53 | Eclipser | it's uncompressed... |
| 13:06.59 | ma3x | correct |
| 13:07.12 | Eclipser | I have a 40GB avi which has a 1.5h movie |
| 13:07.18 | Eclipser | haven't bothered to compress it |
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| 13:07.33 | ma3x | Eclipser, is memcoder available from marillat? |
| 13:07.36 | Eclipser | yes |
| 13:07.38 | ma3x | ok |
| 13:07.49 | Eclipser | but don't ask me how to use it |
| 13:07.52 | Eclipser | never used it :) |
| 13:07.55 | ma3x | okay |
| 13:07.57 | Eclipser | #mplayer might help |
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| 13:10.38 | qpee | hi i want to mount my mp3-player which is connected via usb and is known form sg_scan as an devince on /dev/sda. but mounting this devoce tells me to specifie a filesysyem. if i use vfat as the fs i get during mount-time: 'VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev 08:00.'. with what fs could i try to mount it? |
| 13:11.34 | magnus___ | qpee: How are you mounting it? |
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| 13:12.42 | soar | debhelper: flawless sound till reboot my sarge box |
| 13:12.47 | qpee | magnus___: mount -tvfat /dev/sda /mnt/usb |
| 13:12.52 | ankon | okay. i don't get a kernel panic when using a "real" console. i'm used to freebsd, and would report such a panic to the dev lists. which list shall i report my panic (see above, pentium mmx, serial console, debian 3.1 + linux26) for debian? |
| 13:13.03 | soar | after reboot, no sound till i run alsaconf again |
| 13:13.03 | magnus___ | qpee: Try mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb :) |
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| 13:13.26 | magnus___ | qpee: You have to specify which partition on the device it's supposed to mount. Usually it's sda1, sda2 or sda3 |
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| 13:13.34 | soar | how to make my sound work fine without running alsaconf everytime |
| 13:13.41 | qpee | magnus___: thanks, that was it. ohh lord. |
| 13:14.02 | magnus___ | qpee: no problem |
| 13:14.24 | goki | Can anyone recommend a "plug and play" reliable sata raid card supported by sarge? |
| 13:15.15 | ricky_clarkson | Is it safe to put pump in as a cronjob? |
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| 13:15.40 | ricky_clarkson | The network went down recently, and my computer didn't come back up, had to travel to work to pump it. |
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| 13:16.03 | goki | hi ricky_clarkson |
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| 13:16.27 | Eclipser | is there an auto(un)mount utility? |
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| 13:17.02 | avalente | will debian ever have a graphical installer such as redhat's anaconda? |
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| 13:17.10 | s_ward | soar, alsactl store ? |
| 13:17.13 | ricky_clarkson | goki: G'day. |
| 13:17.15 | Eclipser | avalente, probably not :) |
| 13:17.17 | joris_ | ricky_clarkson: a five-line shellscript that checks if the connection works can save you some trouble, especially with dynamic ip's |
| 13:17.26 | avalente | k |
| 13:17.31 | ankon | DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gtk ? |
| 13:17.37 | gabriele_ | hi! |
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| 13:17.48 | ankon | anyays. good bye, have fun etc. :( |
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| 13:18.13 | gabriele_ | i have one problem |
| 13:18.22 | gabriele_ | with my debian |
| 13:18.36 | Eclipser | !tell gabriele_ about ask |
| 13:18.39 | gabriele_ | can help me |
| 13:18.45 | gabriele_ | ops |
| 13:18.54 | gabriele_ | i am italian |
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| 13:19.10 | Eclipser | well |
| 13:19.18 | Plutojambo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.18 | Guerin | avalente: the new installer has hooks for all sorts of stuff ... it's supposed to be really easy to code up a different frontend for it |
| 13:19.19 | Eclipser | if you think your english isn't sufficient then... |
| 13:19.22 | Eclipser | !it |
| 13:19.22 | dpkg | methinks italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 13:19.23 | Plutojambo | THX |
| 13:19.47 | gabriele_ | grazie mille |
| 13:19.52 | Plutojambo | .................................. |
| 13:19.52 | Plutojambo | THX |
| 13:19.53 | Plutojambo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.53 | Plutojambo | .................................. |
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| 13:20.21 | s_ward | whoosh! |
| 13:20.28 | Guerin | Plutojambo: i hereby declare you stupider than 90% od #debianites |
| 13:20.37 | Guerin | that's quite an achievement! |
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| 13:20.51 | asg | Guerin: how was the pub? |
| 13:20.53 | Kev0r | can someone help me with this compile problem? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/990 |
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| 13:21.40 | Guerin | asg: hah |
| 13:21.49 | Guerin | it wasn't a pub, but a convenience store |
| 13:21.59 | Guerin | they threw us out onto the outside tables |
| 13:22.01 | asg | Guerin: close enough ;) |
| 13:22.16 | Guerin | and we got to sit and drink beer in a raging thunderstorm |
| 13:22.25 | Guerin | better than any pub :) |
| 13:22.29 | asg | Guerin: agreed |
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| 13:23.23 | Guerin | someone has some answering to do, though |
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| 13:23.48 | Guerin | half the university's power went out for ~20 minutes after one direct hit on a nearby building |
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| 13:23.59 | jonkri | why does debian put glib in /usr/include/glib-2.0 when glib wants /usr/include/glib in glib.h? |
| 13:24.01 | Guerin | presumably which housed a breaker |
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| 13:24.34 | Eclipser | Guerin, hehe |
| 13:24.40 | s_ward | !why |
| 13:24.40 | dpkg | Because! |
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| 13:24.53 | jonkri | it assume there is a reason for that... because i can't include it (doesn't find the .h files) |
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| 13:25.21 | Guerin | jonkri: symlink? |
| 13:25.22 | asg | jonkri: probably because debian supports several versions of glib |
| 13:25.27 | Guerin | right |
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| 13:25.39 | jonkri | but it doesn't say anywhere that i should create a symlink |
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| 13:25.41 | jonkri | and when i do: |
| 13:25.42 | joel_ | alright, Im viewing this ps document with gv, but is there any way to edit it like change font and page setup? |
| 13:25.46 | ricky_clarkson | joris_: Well, I don't know what I would write in that shellscript. |
| 13:25.52 | Guerin | jonkri: for some applications, you might not need to |
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| 13:26.13 | jonkri | http://rafb.net/paste/results/l9BTcy59.html |
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| 13:26.42 | jonkri | Guerin: for some applications? i just had a dummy cpp file that only included glib.h and a empty main function |
| 13:26.46 | Guerin | jonkri: whee, file a bug |
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| 13:27.13 | Guerin | jonkri: i did say 'might'; i've had cases where a makefile checks various locations, for example |
| 13:27.13 | jonkri | Guerin: you think it's a bug? i'm running stable here and havn't done anything fancy ;-) |
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| 13:27.51 | toonX | can i ask here a iptables question ? since there's nobody on #iptables .. |
| 13:27.54 | Guerin | jonkri: if it's stable, you're unlikely to get it fixed, but if it's nonfunctional by design, it's probably worth filing anyhow |
| 13:28.29 | jonkri | Guerin: get what fixed? i have created a symlink now |
| 13:28.32 | jonkri | doesn't work anyway |
| 13:28.52 | toonX | say, if i have a basic iptables firewall that has a default policy of drop for the input chain , if i'd like to use a p2p program that uses a port like xxxx , what rule i would add to the input chain in order to get connected ? iptables -t filter -A INPUT --protocol tcp --destination-port xxxx -j ACCEPT ? |
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| 13:30.30 | s_ward | jonkri, if using unstable and gcc 4, try gcc 3.x; also, try installing a different glib to see if it works with that, 1.2 is still floating about somewhere |
| 13:30.50 | jonkri | s_ward: thanks, will try that, i'm using stable |
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| 13:32.24 | jonkri | s_ward: installing glib1.2-dev wouldn't help |
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| 13:33.44 | jonkri | how can glib be broken? i can't get that |
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| 13:35.47 | qpee | what tool could be used to convert .ogg files to mp3 in debian? |
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| 13:36.12 | asg | qpee: that's evil |
| 13:36.33 | asg | jonkri: you might ask the #debian-gnome people on irc.gnome.org, they are sure to know. |
| 13:36.35 | qpee | asg: why is that? |
| 13:36.39 | E-bola | Do anybody run UPS services with NUT? Im wondering why it doesnt shut down my servers but simply states in the syslog that the UPS in on battery, when i unplug the power |
| 13:36.57 | E-bola | in=is |
| 13:36.58 | linuxfreck | qpee: decode to .wav using ogg123, then encode to mp3 using lame |
| 13:37.04 | asg | qpee: because you convert a lossy format to another. |
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| 13:37.25 | linuxfreck | qpee: but note that ogg is the better format, and recoding will lose quality |
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| 13:38.02 | qpee | linuxfreck: ok |
| 13:38.19 | cn | Missing character set "ISO8859-15" how install it? |
| 13:38.34 | qpee | asg: well yes, but in this occasion its unavoidable as i don't have the original data, or would drive a few hundred miles to get them |
| 13:38.41 | Jhair | cn: 42 |
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| 13:39.02 | cn | Jhair, 42 what? |
| 13:39.23 | asg | cn: at a guess, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 13:40.35 | emurz__ | how can I know who is in my box? |
| 13:40.39 | jonkri | asg: thanks |
| 13:41.12 | endain | I'm trying to install debian stable from another linux distro. When running base-config new, when I sellect a mirror, it tries to get the testing branch. When I ran debootstrap I specified sarge as branch as I beleive its the latest stable, right? |
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| 13:42.25 | cn | what locales are necessary? |
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| 13:43.20 | witch | cn that one for your country and latin9=iso8859-15 |
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| 13:44.11 | witch | cn: I have for example: de_DE@euro ISO-8859-15 |
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| 13:44.43 | cn | :) |
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| 13:45.02 | cn | my debian must be english |
| 13:45.05 | Jhair | cn: maybe you can tell us *how* do you get that error message "Missing character set "ISO8859-15"" |
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| 13:46.08 | cn | by default what is locales? |
| 13:46.18 | Eclipser | emurz__, users ? |
| 13:46.24 | cn | i mean how is set? |
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| 13:47.01 | knt | there was a command (in passwd family) which is able to read usernames and passwords from a file and then create it as a system user. |
| 13:47.11 | knt | what was the name of it? |
| 13:47.16 | witch | cn: the first is to genereate the locales you want on your system, asg told you how to do that |
| 13:47.34 | Jhair | cn: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-l10n |
| 13:47.34 | witch | there you can choose the primary one, too |
| 13:48.03 | zhangbinbin | help |
| 13:48.07 | emurz__ | eclipser: yeppers |
| 13:48.26 | asg | knt: adduser |
| 13:48.39 | knt | asg, thanks. |
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| 13:49.31 | asg | knt: sorry, it was chpasswd |
| 13:49.47 | asg | knt: and newusers |
| 13:50.04 | knt | asg, :) i couldn't see anything in man adduser though :) |
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| 13:51.37 | VerusMaya | hey, question... I just installed sarge to a bootable usb drive for my laptop, and the kernel that came with it (2.6.8-2-686) boots, but if I try to upgrade to 2.6.12-1-686, it kernel panics with a pivot_root error... does anyone know how I can get a kernel/initrd pair to boot? |
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| 13:54.05 | s_ward | VerusMaya, either stick with the one that works 2.6.8; check that your bootloader knows about the initrd image |
| 13:54.16 | emurz__ | Can anyone help me installing my sound card? |
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| 13:54.49 | libc6 | having wandered through a small minefeild with a libc6 problem i may have found the cause. when i apt-get update i get "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-3) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is installed" and so apt wants to pull down libc6-2.3.5 to correct this (breaking the system). strangely an apt-cache show libc6-dev reveals "Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-22), linux-kernel-headers". why do the dependencies dif |
| 13:54.50 | libc6 | fer? |
| 13:55.08 | ma3x | emurz__, run alsaconf |
| 13:55.12 | VerusMaya | yeah it knows about the initrd, I've been toying with mkinitrd and its options for a while now but nothing I try has any luck |
| 13:55.53 | emurz__ | ma3x: it detected the wrong driver, can I give you ssh access to my box and help me? |
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| 13:56.05 | libc6 | hehe danger |
| 13:56.07 | asg | libc6: it sounds like you have both stable and unstable sources in your sources list. |
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| 13:56.25 | ma3x | emurz__, what sound card do you have? |
| 13:56.26 | libc6 | asg: no i don't, just testing and unstable, unstable pinned back to prefer testing |
| 13:56.53 | asg | libc6: well, then something you have requires unstable libc6-dev. You'll have to upgrade it. |
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| 13:57.03 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 13:57.19 | asg | libc6: mixing versions always leads to pain. You are better off either running pure testing or pure unstable (or stable for that matter.) |
| 13:57.35 | kanaldrache | I have problems with exim4.5 and sieve filtering, my minimal example is under http://www.math.uni-bonn.de/people/dom/minimal-filter.txt and i try it with exim -bf filter < testmessage |
| 13:57.37 | libc6 | asg: this completely broke my system this morning. i spent hours repairing symlinks on my chrooted fs, ld-linux.so.2 etc |
| 13:57.39 | smhar | is there an application where it checks my spelling on the fly while writing in anyprogram in KDE |
| 13:57.43 | kanaldrache | The answer is "No keep" |
| 13:57.43 | tarzeau | any hints on: <stdout>:486:25: error: macro "yywrap" passed 1 arguments, but takes just 0 |
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| 13:57.55 | kanaldrache | Any idea what exim wants me to say with that? |
| 13:58.02 | emurz__ | ma3x: realtek ALC850 |
| 13:58.02 | asg | libc6: yes, Debian makes no guarantee across versions. |
| 13:58.05 | libc6 | asg: i'm reluctant to try again, have relocation errors on 'ls' is a bit of an eye opener ;) |
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| 13:58.17 | asg | libc6: yes, a broken libc is a nasty thing. |
| 13:58.26 | kanaldrache | i tried many variations of sieve filters but i always get "No keep" |
| 13:58.31 | libc6 | asg: anyway i can tell apt to completely forget about wanting to upgrade libc6-dev? |
| 13:58.40 | asg | libc6: /msg dpkg hold |
| 13:58.41 | kanaldrache | Unless i make some syntax errors... :) |
| 13:59.11 | asg | libc6: you will eventually get a system that won't work and be insecure. I suggest you just upgrade to unstable or reinstall with stable or etch. |
| 13:59.20 | asg | tarzeau: congratz on hosting the kFreeBSD box |
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| 13:59.38 | tarzeau | asg: thank you, it's really nothing. the real hard work is done by the guys in #gnu-kbsd |
| 13:59.46 | libc6 | asg: right ok. i'll move to unstable then. stable is fairly useless for me. |
| 13:59.59 | asg | tarzeau: still interesting though, I might setup a test box myself. |
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| 14:00.21 | asg | tarzeau: oh and regarding the wiki content. If the ubuntu folks want to use the content, I don't mind. |
| 14:00.49 | POVaddct | emurz__: use alsa driver snd-intel8x0 |
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| 14:02.40 | libc6 | asg:i want to rtfm but need a keyword. what should i look to list which installed packages depend upon <packagename> ? |
| 14:02.50 | libc6 | s/what/where |
| 14:02.51 | asg | libc6: apt-rdepends |
| 14:03.03 | libc6 | asg: thanks alot. is the 'r' for recursion? |
| 14:03.07 | asg | libc6: reverse |
| 14:03.13 | libc6 | right cheer |
| 14:03.20 | libc6 | cheers* |
| 14:03.35 | emurz__ | POVAddct: I have a different chipset, I got 865 cipset |
| 14:03.37 | emurz__ | *chipset |
| 14:03.54 | POVaddct | emurz__: hmm |
| 14:03.55 | Althaser | http://rafb.net/paste/results/eVW1pI34.nln.html why ? i'm using sarge |
| 14:04.13 | dvs | emurz__: It uses the same sound interface as the i810 |
| 14:04.38 | dvs | emurz__: My motherboard has a 865PE and it uses the 810 audio driver |
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| 14:05.05 | asg | Althaser: you are *only* using sarge or do you have etch or non-debian sources also in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 14:05.45 | Althaser | asg $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:05.45 | Althaser | # deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 14:05.45 | Althaser | deb http://bytekeeper.as28747.net/debian-amd64/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 14:05.45 | Althaser | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 14:06.00 | emurz__ | dvs: well, it worked but it's choppy, I cannot activate my 5.1 sound system as well =/ |
| 14:06.22 | Althaser | asg that's my sources.list |
| 14:06.22 | libc6 | asg: in your honest opinion, which is less stable, a pinned back unstable/testing mix or pure unstable? |
| 14:06.32 | dvs | emurz__: Don't msg me |
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| 14:06.41 | asg | Althaser: if you do 'apt-cache policy gedit', which repo does it indicate it is coming from? |
| 14:06.48 | asg | libc6: pure unstable |
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| 14:06.56 | libc6 | hmm |
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| 14:07.07 | DocTomoe | Is there a way to reinstall all currently installed packages? |
| 14:07.08 | asg | libc6: of course, unstable itself is quite broken at the moment so a pure testing might be better for you. |
| 14:07.12 | asg | DocTomoe: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 14:07.20 | endain | When (or before) running debconf new, how can I indicate that I want to use debian stable? |
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| 14:07.48 | Althaser | asg 500 http://bytekeeper.as28747.net sarge/main Packages that one |
| 14:07.49 | libc6 | asg: rolling back to testing would be problematic? |
| 14:08.01 | libc6 | asg: eg difficult/hairy/scary? |
| 14:08.03 | asg | libc6: yes, it isn't impossible but downgrades are nasty. |
| 14:08.10 | libc6 | hmm |
| 14:08.33 | asg | Althaser: well, what is that used for? Is it an official debian mirror or something you found? |
| 14:08.48 | Althaser | official debian mirror |
| 14:09.02 | asg | Althaser: for amd64? |
| 14:09.05 | Althaser | yep |
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| 14:09.55 | asg | Althaser: well, you might consult the #debian-amd64 folks to see if they have experienced the issue. |
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| 14:10.08 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 14:10.12 | KomiaPoika | in debian with fluxbox how do i create virtual sound channels with sblive? so i can run two sound apps at the same time? |
| 14:10.22 | dvs | KomiaPoika: use ALSA |
| 14:10.35 | libc6 | KomiaPoika:: also see qjackctl |
| 14:10.44 | KomiaPoika | dvs: alsa is installed |
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| 14:10.56 | dvs | KomiaPoika: Then make your apps use alsa |
| 14:11.00 | KomiaPoika | how |
| 14:11.09 | dvs | KomiaPoika: It depends on the apps. |
| 14:11.18 | KomiaPoika | dvs: enemy territory and teamspeak |
| 14:11.22 | KomiaPoika | how do i make them |
| 14:11.34 | dvs | KomiaPoika: I haven't used either one, sorry |
| 14:11.45 | magnus___ | Doesn't alsa have to be configured to do that? I seem to remember editing /etc/alsarc or something.. |
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| 14:11.51 | magnus___ | Or asoundrc |
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| 14:12.50 | KomiaPoika | in freebsd i can just create virtual channels that apps can use thinking they direclty write to dsp, is tehre a way to do this in debian? |
| 14:13.33 | stew | KomiaPoika: what driver are you currently using? |
| 14:13.39 | libc6 | asg: after an 'echo libc6-dev hold | dpkg --set-selections', an 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' still wants to upgrade libc6 to satisfy a not-yet-installed libc6-dev. how to i force apt to forget about it (so i can install apt-rdepends to find the application reversely dependent on libc6-dev)? |
| 14:13.53 | KomiaPoika | stew: i'm not sure which one is running, i can just run one sound app at a time atm |
| 14:13.56 | Yevgeniy | streaming video .wmv - it's "WMV3" ? |
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| 14:14.11 | vipersniper | where can i apt-get kde3.4 |
| 14:14.12 | stew | KomiaPoika: you are probably using oss and you want to be using alsa |
| 14:14.15 | ma3x | does anybody have a camcorder? when copy the data to the hdd, its not so quality |
| 14:14.22 | stew | KomiaPoika: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:14.29 | ma3x | when i move and shoot, it displays bad frames |
| 14:14.31 | dvs | stew: Or his apps are using OSS |
| 14:14.33 | ma3x | like the frames are moving |
| 14:14.36 | KomiaPoika | uname -r |
| 14:14.36 | ma3x | like little slices |
| 14:14.36 | KomiaPoika | 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 14:14.38 | stew | dvs: right |
| 14:14.45 | asg | libc6: you could put libc6 on hold or just download the apt-rdepend deb and dpkg -i it |
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| 14:15.05 | libc6 | ahah libc6 on hold. of course.. |
| 14:15.06 | asg | ~botsnack |
| 14:15.06 | apt | asg: thanks |
| 14:15.07 | stew | KomiaPoika: lsmod | grep emu ; that will tell you emu10k1 or snd_emu10k1 |
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| 14:15.24 | stew | KomiaPoika: snd_ is alsa, otherwise it is oss |
| 14:15.25 | KomiaPoika | stew: yes |
| 14:15.33 | dvs | KomiaPoika: which one? |
| 14:15.45 | KomiaPoika | it's all snd_ |
| 14:16.24 | KomiaPoika | stew |
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| 14:17.08 | KomiaPoika | i guess i use alsa now how do i create virtual channels so that apps with sound can run at the same time? |
| 14:17.50 | stew | KomiaPoika: forget virtual channels, you should be able to use 2 apps at the same time but you just need to not use oss emulation |
| 14:18.24 | KomiaPoika | stew, how do i fix that |
| 14:18.37 | midg3t | does that mean i don't need to run esd to get sound from several apps? (stupid question i know, but i thought a sound server was required) |
| 14:18.48 | dvs | midg3t: nope |
| 14:18.55 | dvs | midg3t: If the apps support ALSA |
| 14:18.58 | KomiaPoika | sound server tend to induce lag |
| 14:19.02 | dvs | midg3t: directly |
| 14:19.04 | midg3t | thanks |
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| 14:20.39 | KomiaPoika | stew, how do i let alsa take multiple sources |
| 14:21.01 | dvs | KomiaPoika: it's not ALSA that's the problem, it's the apps |
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| 14:21.29 | KomiaPoika | dvs, how do i make two apps who send sound to dsp directly run at the same time? |
| 14:21.30 | stew | KomiaPoika: have your apps talk to /dev/snd and not /dev/ shit what is the oss dev even called... |
| 14:21.36 | midg3t | seems to only take one input on my machine. i remember reading somewhere that my sound hardware could only take a single input and required software mixing |
| 14:21.49 | KomiaPoika | stew: how?? |
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| 14:22.01 | stew | time to make the waffles... |
| 14:22.03 | vipersniper | i added this to sources.list deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./ but still cannot install kde |
| 14:22.08 | dvs | midg3t: ALSA does the software mixing |
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| 14:22.38 | goccia | vipersniper: apt-get update but check kde3.4.1 in alioth |
| 14:22.45 | midg3t | i see |
| 14:23.12 | midg3t | i just ran `aplay redalert.wav & aplay arrive.wav` and it worked OK. I guess i should be complaining about xmms not playing nicely |
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| 14:23.32 | midg3t | xmms is set to use the alsa output plugin |
| 14:23.44 | dvs | midg3t: XMMS can definitely be configured to use ALSA |
| 14:24.59 | endain | Is there a way of insalling debian stable without phisical access to a machine (that is curently runing linux)? The instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en seem to install testing, contrary to what the path might suggests. |
| 14:25.08 | KomiaPoika | dvs how can i make enemy territory and teamspeak use alsa? |
| 14:25.18 | midg3t | ah, got it |
| 14:25.23 | dvs | KomiaPoika: I don't know those apps |
| 14:25.34 | s_ward | KomiaPoika, from ET system requirements: - OSS compatible sound card |
| 14:25.36 | KomiaPoika | dvs: it's just binary apps, to send their sound to dsp |
| 14:25.45 | KomiaPoika | dvs: how do i make them use alsa in command line |
| 14:25.48 | midg3t | had to set the audio device to 'default' instead of my sound card to stop xmms hogging the output. thank you dvs |
| 14:25.48 | dvs | endain: When were the instructions written, they still could be referring to sarge |
| 14:25.50 | midg3t | and others |
| 14:26.16 | midg3t | dvs, just in case they allow you to specify an app for playing sounds, tell them to use 'aplay <filename>' |
| 14:26.20 | KomiaPoika | s_ward: in freebsd, i can use both of those using kernel's virtual sound channels, why isn't there something like that in debian |
| 14:26.51 | s_ward | KomiaPoika, I have no idea, /msg dpkg why |
| 14:27.06 | midg3t | heh |
| 14:27.20 | sussudio | !gamp |
| 14:27.20 | dpkg | Gay Asian Midget Pr0n! |
| 14:27.25 | libc6 | KomiaPoika: there is, it's called http://jackit.sf.net |
| 14:27.36 | KomiaPoika | sblive is a full duplex soundcard, why can't even oss play multiple sound sources on it |
| 14:27.56 | libc6 | KomiaPoika: apt-cache show qjackctl, it works with alsa to provide a means of routing sound from one application to another, and mixing multiple channels. |
| 14:28.04 | s_ward | because OSS is shit, ALSA is _the_ linux sound system |
| 14:28.21 | libc6 | KomiaPoika: no one uses OSS anymore. |
| 14:28.26 | s_ward | not our fault ID Software didn't keep up with the times |
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| 14:28.35 | dvs | libc6: Apparently some apps do |
| 14:28.37 | vipersniper | goccia, says its still kde-3.4.0 |
| 14:29.01 | goccia | vipersniper: a sec |
| 14:29.10 | libc6 | dvs: a few apps yes. people don't - this is the problem. |
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| 14:30.06 | endain | dvs: there's no date on the page, allthough the guide is for 3.1. The doc does say to use sarge on the debootstrap line. Should I be using something else? |
| 14:30.34 | dvs | endain: sarge is 3.1 which is stable now |
| 14:30.43 | goccia | vipersniper: 3.4.1 avaiable on alioth |
| 14:31.01 | libc6 | asg: all fixed now, rolled back to testing. thanks for the help. |
| 14:31.02 | midg3t | KomiaPoika: the alsa-oss package might be of some use |
| 14:31.13 | asg | libc6: you're welcome |
| 14:31.17 | vipersniper | goccia, i could not find it |
| 14:31.17 | goccia | vipersniper: you can get into it with a browser |
| 14:31.40 | goccia | vipersniper: i guess wrong sources.list line |
| 14:32.09 | endain | dvs: when I run base-config though, it tries to get packages from testing, not stable |
| 14:32.21 | dvs | endain: change your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:32.24 | xst | I did an upgrade of sid yesterday and today all browsers (both firefox and konqueror) freezes all the time. Is that a well known bug? (can't check it myself as the browser freezes) |
| 14:33.11 | s_ward | xst, try lynx, links, elinks, dillo, epiphany.... |
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| 14:33.32 | s_ward | xst, actually, epiphany may have a problem if firefox does |
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| 14:34.27 | goccia | vipersniper: yes : you paste a wrong line : >> /kde-3.4.1 ./ |
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| 14:35.01 | s_ward | eek, I forgot w3m, the w3m zealots will kill me! |
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| 14:35.23 | KomiaPoika | midg3t: it's already installed |
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| 14:36.05 | endain | dvs: before I run base-config, the file is empty, wouldn't that indicate that something else is telling it to use testing? |
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| 14:37.10 | dvs | endain: Oh? This is on install? |
| 14:37.19 | endain | dvs: yes |
| 14:37.31 | cat | hey people can someone help me out please my monitor works fine with the terminal that i'm using but when i do gdm it doesn't allow me to used it, |
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| 14:37.42 | dvs | endain: Is this the final sarge CD? (3.1r0a)? |
| 14:37.47 | emurz | what does it mean when there is dot preceiding filename/dir-name ? |
| 14:37.54 | xilun | anybody already had a problem when using an ISO8859 application while copying /etc/gtk/gtkrc.iso-8859-15 in ~/.gtkrc, while the application is working with no ~/.gtkrc ? |
| 14:38.03 | cat | cannot display this video mode any ideas? |
| 14:38.56 | und0 | cat: check you monitor specs (horizontal and vertical frequency) and "dpkg-reconfire xserver-xfree86" |
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| 14:38.59 | emurz | *preceding |
| 14:39.00 | s_ward | !tell emurz about dotfile |
| 14:39.04 | midg3t | emurz: . is the current directory |
| 14:39.09 | midg3t | .. is the parent |
| 14:39.21 | dvs | midg3t: I think he means files starting with a dot |
| 14:39.24 | midg3t | oh |
| 14:39.27 | midg3t | indeed |
| 14:39.36 | midg3t | indicates a hidden file |
| 14:39.42 | midg3t | they're generally called 'dotfiles' |
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| 14:39.47 | goccia | . is ok .. are bastards |
| 14:39.57 | cat | und0: how do i check my monitor specs? |
| 14:40.06 | dvs | goccia: Got a delete story to tell us? ;-) |
| 14:40.14 | dvs | cat: google |
| 14:40.16 | endain | dvs: not applicable. I'm trying to do a network install from another linux installation, not a debian install disk. I'm using debootrstrap 0.3.1.4 |
| 14:40.31 | cat | but doesn't debian do that automaticly? |
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| 14:40.52 | dvs | endain: So what's in the /etc/apt/sources.list of the other installation? |
| 14:40.55 | goccia | dvs: :) |
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| 14:41.27 | und0 | cat: usually they are reported behind your monitor tube (i'm referring to a CRT monitor, LCD are different) |
| 14:41.38 | endain | dvs: the other installation's redhat, but I'm installing to another partition |
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| 14:41.55 | dvs | o_o |
| 14:41.58 | und0 | cat: or look with google for your monitor specs |
| 14:42.01 | dvs | that's outta my league |
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| 14:42.43 | dvs | cat: Debian does not automatically detect hort/vert frequencies. |
| 14:42.51 | goccia | dvs: it was the "." and enter in the numpad while i wanted to type rm *.txt using the numapad "*" : my finget hit enter before the . and all gone ! |
| 14:42.59 | cat | oh ok |
| 14:43.08 | liable | cat: choose a lower colour depth or something. |
| 14:43.35 | dvs | goccia: shit! that's awful! Deleted the current directory and parent too! |
| 14:43.51 | FieldySnuts | yes. do not do rm -r .* |
| 14:43.52 | vipersniper | goccia, i added the line to my sources.list and did apt-get update, everything went fine on that part |
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| 14:44.05 | goccia | dvs: no joke : that f* i blame the "*" in the numpad |
| 14:44.29 | goccia | vipersniper: so you are running sid |
| 14:44.40 | vipersniper | goccia, but when i go apt-get install kde i get the following packages have unmet depend... |
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| 14:44.52 | vipersniper | goccia, yse |
| 14:44.55 | vipersniper | yes |
| 14:45.03 | goccia | vipersniper: do : apt-get -s install .... and check |
| 14:45.41 | stew | vipersniper: checked the bts? what is an example of a package with an unmet dependency? |
| 14:45.51 | goccia | vipersniper: and doit again for every deb whit unmet dependencies till you get to the end |
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| 14:46.56 | liable | vipersniper: well, you want to run sid and then unofficial packages, and want us to work out how to fix it? |
| 14:47.13 | vipersniper | goccia, do u mean apt-get -s install kde |
| 14:47.14 | goccia | FieldySnuts: the numpad thing is evil |
| 14:48.04 | goccia | vipersniper: -s is simulate by using it i was able to install kde3.4.1 on sarge getting few debs from sarge |
| 14:48.41 | xst | I try to change the hostname by typing "hostname myHostname" but the file /etc/hostname still contains "debian". What to do? |
| 14:49.00 | MDC | I'm trying to access files from a nfs server (debian sarge) with debian sid client and get "Input/output error" on all files larger than (i think) 2GB... what could be wrong? |
| 14:49.12 | stew | xst: hostname > /etc/hostname |
| 14:49.21 | dvs | xst: Why change it dear Henry |
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| 14:49.39 | s_ward | KomiaPoika, still having trouble? I went and read /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/OSS-Emulation.txt.gz and found out about an option to make OSS emulation non-blocking; I suggest you do the same (or use one of the tools suggested by others) |
| 14:49.45 | liable | dvs: cause theres a hole in it.. |
| 14:49.52 | dvs | liable: ;-) |
| 14:50.01 | xst | So "hostname myHostname" just changes things temporary (until next reboot)? |
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| 14:50.25 | stew | xst: yes |
| 14:50.36 | stew | xst: man hostname |
| 14:50.43 | vipersniper | goccia, i don't know says broken packages |
| 14:51.05 | stew | vipersniper: what are you doing? installing kde 3.4 ? |
| 14:51.48 | vipersniper | stew, im trying to ;) with no success |
| 14:51.52 | stew | vipersniper: #debian-kde |
| 14:51.59 | goccia | vipersniper: to know more do a apt-get -s install brokenbpackage and go on : are you on sarge or sid ? |
| 14:52.25 | vipersniper | sid, i did a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:52.43 | matsur | How can I install nvidia-glx? apt-get complains about not being able to install nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 |
| 14:52.53 | stew | matsur: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 14:53.10 | liable | vipersniper: ffs, why are you fucking with a) sid b) unofficial sources.. |
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| 14:53.25 | goccia | that means that the moment it is broken : it may be g++ transition |
| 14:53.48 | vipersniper | liable, easy dude |
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| 14:54.37 | matsur | stew: like I said, attempting to install nvidia-glx gives me a broken package error |
| 14:55.03 | eka808 | hohey :) |
| 14:55.11 | timo_ | why can't i uninstall kde games with apt without kde also being uninstalled? |
| 14:55.48 | s_ward | timo_, kde is a meta-package depending on all (or a lot) of kde |
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| 14:56.06 | dvs | must be aptitude |
| 14:56.09 | s_ward | timo_, you may safely remove kde, but keep the packages it brought in |
| 14:56.16 | liable | vipersniper: not angry, but why are you messing with (sid, thats fairly messed up at the moment) and then trying to make it especially hard with adding unofficial sources.. |
| 14:56.33 | timo_ | s_ward: okey, i want to use kde but not all the crap that follows |
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| 14:57.34 | MDC | is there a 2gb limit on nfs? Or is this kernel/nfs version specific? |
| 14:57.37 | timo_ | oh well i guess i'll have to live with that one |
| 14:57.42 | vipersniper | liable, are you saying that if i stay with sarge, i can upgrade to kde-3.4.1 |
| 14:57.47 | dvs | MDC: on samba I think |
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| 14:58.04 | liable | timo_: meet debfoster, you'll love it, if you want to cut kde down.. |
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| 14:58.06 | dvs | vipersniper: With etch, eventually |
| 14:58.07 | goccia | vipersniper: that's right : try a apt-get -s dist-upgrade : it won't do anything but getting more flames to you (and me) :) |
| 14:58.17 | panthera | MDC: kernel-server no, user-server ye |
| 14:58.18 | panthera | s |
| 14:58.19 | liable | vipersniper: no, did I say that? |
| 14:58.21 | dtb | db@woogie:~$ apt-cache search anything |
| 14:58.23 | dtb | Segmentation fault |
| 14:58.25 | dtb | :( |
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| 14:58.46 | liable | dtb: nasty .. |
| 14:58.48 | MDC | panthera, ok..thanks, will install kernel version instead.. |
| 14:58.49 | timo_ | liable: what is that? |
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| 14:58.59 | ixion | ive built two windows DHCP server, one on a debian box, the other on a redhat box - the one on the redhat accepts bootp requests, the one on debian doesnt. The virtual machines are confugred to use bridged networking. I am sure all the windows components are configured correctly, could there be something on my debian networking configuration that is blocking it from listening to broadcast requests? |
| 14:59.00 | dtb | happened when i put new ram in.... now im back on the old ram |
| 14:59.04 | dtb | everythign works sweet |
| 14:59.06 | dtb | except apt |
| 14:59.07 | dtb | :( |
| 14:59.12 | liable | timo_: apt-cache search debfoster |
| 14:59.25 | timo_ | liable: _what_ |
| 14:59.30 | dvs | dtb: memtest86+ |
| 14:59.48 | liable | timo_: are you mentally challenged? |
| 14:59.53 | dvs | huh? |
| 14:59.55 | dtb | lol |
| 14:59.55 | dtb | woogie:~# apt-get install something |
| 14:59.56 | dtb | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 14:59.56 | dtb | Segmentation faulty Tree... 0% |
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| 15:00.02 | timo_ | liable: no i asked what it is, nit where it is |
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| 15:00.06 | dtb | meh |
| 15:00.09 | timo_ | nit=not |
| 15:00.10 | s_ward | dtb, yeah, uh, don't paste in here |
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| 15:00.18 | s_ward | !tell dtb about paster |
| 15:00.26 | dtb | :) *remembers* |
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| 15:00.40 | liable | timo_: apt-cache *show* debfoster |
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| 15:01.12 | paster | "dtb" at 220.240.13.158 pasted "test" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/453 |
| 15:01.25 | dtb | hah way cool |
| 15:01.26 | rob_lt | !tell Fox_1_ about root |
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| 15:01.40 | dtb | hmm.. but i cant install memtest? gotta get it via source i guess |
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| 15:01.58 | dvs | dtb: Get the ISO image |
| 15:01.59 | timo_ | liable: aah, key thanks! |
| 15:02.03 | liable | dtb: no, you can apt-get it. |
| 15:02.46 | liable | dtb: memtest86+ |
| 15:02.53 | dtb | :) got the iso thx |
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| 15:03.24 | dtb | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/memtest86+ |
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| 15:10.59 | CosmoDad | attempting to set-up my HP DeskJet 640c. Installed foomatic stuff, including hpijs packages, because I'm trying to follow instructions that hpijs drivers are most appropriate for my device. If I use the web-wizard of CUPS, however, I only get "CUPS+Gimp-Print" drivers offered. What should I do? |
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| 15:13.05 | Matsuo | Does anyone here have experenceing with giving libapache2-mod-suphp a false document root on debian sarge? |
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| 15:13.52 | daedalus_ | "false"? |
| 15:14.04 | daedalus_ | Like, non-existant? |
| 15:14.39 | Matsuo | I need it to think the document root is something which it's not.. As in the document root needs to be /home/matsuo/www but it will only run PHP scripts in the document root and I need to run scripts in /home/*/www |
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| 15:15.37 | asg | Matsuo: have you asked #apache yet? |
| 15:16.15 | daedalus_ | Matsuo: ask in #apache.... Also look into <directory> statements in apache.conf files... there are howto's on this |
| 15:16.17 | Matsuo | I asked #apache, they just suggested I try #apache-modules.. Gonna go ask there now! |
| 15:16.31 | liable | CosmoDad: linuxprinting.org |
| 15:16.54 | daedalus_ | Matsuo: You may want to start with your more general question... about wanting to set your docroot to your home dir but wanting to run scripts elsewhere too |
| 15:18.32 | Matsuo | I want the site address itself to read as the www directory in my home dir, but I need other users to be able to run PHP scripts. mod_suphp will only work if the PHP page run is in the document root, which any page outside of my home's www dir (such as another user's website) are not. |
| 15:19.03 | asg | Matsuo: there is also #php |
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| 15:19.19 | asg | or ##php rather |
| 15:19.20 | Matsuo | Tried there aswell.. No one seems to know how to resolve this problem. |
| 15:19.30 | FieldySnuts | someone in #apache spoke? on a weekend day? amazing |
| 15:19.36 | CosmoDad | liable: I checked that, in fact that's the site I got the idea of using hpijs from, but even though I installed all necessary packages sic, CUPS wizard only shows CUPS-gimp-drivers |
| 15:20.01 | daedalus_ | Matsuo: well, I think your other problem might be that you're trying to use suphp in a way that was unintended? |
| 15:20.19 | liable | CosmoDad: did you install the foomatic shits? |
| 15:20.31 | matsur | Is using sid right now a bad idea? |
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| 15:21.06 | liable | matsur: its a little broken. |
| 15:21.06 | Matsuo | As far as I can tell, suphp was designed to allow PHP pages to run as the user owning them, which is exactly what I want it to do. I just seem to be having difficulties making it run any scripts outside of the document root. |
| 15:21.07 | daedalus_ | matsur: If you have to ask, then yes ;) |
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| 15:21.45 | CosmoDad | liable: I installed foomatic-db-hpijs, what else would I need? |
| 15:21.49 | matsur | how would I specify 'testing' in source.list? |
| 15:21.51 | Karnaugh | what cna i burn cd's with |
| 15:21.54 | Karnaugh | *can |
| 15:22.08 | Karnaugh | !iwanttowritecd'skthnxgg |
| 15:22.14 | asg | matsur: s/stable|sarge/testing/ ; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:22.14 | liable | CosmoDad: dunno, you cant find it in cups admin page? |
| 15:22.17 | Karnaugh | didnt work, damn |
| 15:22.29 | CosmoDad | liable: right |
| 15:22.37 | FieldySnuts | @annoy Karnaugh |
| 15:22.37 | ravenbird | Karnaugh: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 15:22.38 | asg | Karnaugh: cdrecord |
| 15:22.44 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 15:23.18 | liable | CosmoDad: what no driver? google my son.. |
| 15:23.36 | Karnaugh | ~cdrecord |
| 15:23.36 | apt | Allows the creation of both audio and data CDs. URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdrecord.html |
| 15:23.38 | daedalus_ | Matsuo, Seems that suphp should work for all virtualhosts on the server |
| 15:23.49 | Karnaugh | !cdrecord |
| 15:23.50 | dpkg | from memory, cdrecord is a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
| 15:23.54 | CosmoDad | liable: precisely, I do have gimp-drivers, but no hpijs as I see |
| 15:23.56 | asg | Karnaugh: /msg the bots ffs |
| 15:24.00 | Karnaugh | hmmm |
| 15:24.01 | daedalus_ | Matsuo, I see nothing that indicates that it would be restricted to just docroot stuffs. |
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| 15:24.12 | Karnaugh | asg: that takes so much effort |
| 15:24.16 | Matsuo | daedalus: Is it only able to be done with virtualhosts though? That would seem kind of silly if you ask me. |
| 15:24.24 | liable | CosmoDad: well, install it |
| 15:24.27 | emurz_ | how can I let 'find' search all the files in the system |
| 15:24.37 | daedalus_ | Matsuo: everything is a virtualhost ;) |
| 15:24.38 | liable | info hpijs |
| 15:24.44 | liable | !info hpijs |
| 15:24.47 | dpkg | hpijs: (HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs)), section text, is optional. Version: 2.1.4+0.9.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 215 kB, Installed size: 680 kB |
| 15:24.59 | liable | !info hpijs sare |
| 15:25.06 | liable | !info hpijs sarge |
| 15:25.13 | liable | meh |
| 15:25.15 | asg | Karnaugh: /help alias |
| 15:25.21 | dpkg | hpijs: (HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs)), section text, is optional. Version: 2.1.2+0.9.2-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 211 kB, Installed size: 680 kB |
| 15:25.23 | daedalus_ | Matsuo: Basically, I don't see anything that prevents it from being enabled serverwide. Have you read the docs on suphp.org? |
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| 15:25.46 | liable | CosmoDad: ^^ |
| 15:25.50 | Matsuo | daedalus: Didn't know it had it's own site, checking there now, thanks! |
| 15:25.52 | CosmoDad | liable: as I said, I installed all packages labelled hpijs... but I think I found it, there's a ppd package I need in order to be able to choose the driver via CUPS wizard |
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| 15:26.26 | daedalus_ | liable, Karnaugh: Careful with the dpkg bot.... if you query him too often, he'll get kicked for spamming.... |
| 15:26.44 | FieldySnuts | i've never seen that once, i doubt it |
| 15:26.46 | liable | daedalus_: what? |
| 15:26.50 | Karnaugh | daedalus_: I'm carefull |
| 15:26.57 | FieldySnuts | more likely the person who causes it to spew out a lot of stuff gets kicked intead |
| 15:27.00 | CosmoDad | liable: (namely: foomatic-filters-ppds) |
| 15:27.13 | daedalus_ | FieldySnuts: I've seen it happen.. just a couple weeks ago |
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| 15:27.21 | FieldySnuts | no you haven't. |
| 15:27.23 | liable | daedalus_: no |
| 15:27.39 | daedalus_ | FieldySnuts: then what did I see? |
| 15:27.52 | FieldySnuts | i have no way of knowing, stop doing drugs |
| 15:27.55 | liable | daedalus_: you were on crack? |
| 15:28.04 | FieldySnuts | ~win liable |
| 15:28.04 | apt | Congratulations, liable! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 15:28.15 | asg | !qotd 27 |
| 15:28.21 | asg | !qotd27 |
| 15:28.21 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
| 15:28.30 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 15:28.39 | asg | FieldySnuts: talk about apropos |
| 15:28.44 | FieldySnuts | apoowha? |
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| 15:29.48 | hermanr | Q: Anybody here who knows Tom Deblauwe, the author of ksubtile? <http://ksubtile.sourceforge.net/> I'm considering an RFP. |
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| 15:29.54 | Madkiss | Hi all. |
| 15:30.22 | Madkiss | I have two kernels -- compiled with exactly the same configuration files in exactly the same chroot. One produces an Oops when doing "cat /proc/ioports", the other one does not. |
| 15:30.26 | Madkiss | What might cause this? |
| 15:30.45 | liable | hermanr: no |
| 15:31.08 | asg | hermanr: people in #debian-kde might know |
| 15:31.22 | hermanr | asg: tnx |
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| 15:32.00 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hi there :) |
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| 15:33.17 | ixion | when you run a 64bit CPU, is there something you are supposed to change in make so that it executes properly in a 64bit environment? |
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| 15:33.41 | FieldySnuts | your entire install needs to be set up for it |
| 15:33.45 | liable | ixion: #debian-amd64 |
| 15:33.49 | FieldySnuts | yeah that too |
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| 15:35.10 | xst | What is the location of system wide firefox plugins? |
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| 15:35.31 | daedalus_ | FieldySnuts: Dude... dpkg has too been booted for excess flood. Don't you remember a while ago when Gnea accidentally did that? |
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| 15:35.33 | asg | xst: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 15:35.42 | xst | asg:thanks |
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| 15:36.12 | FieldySnuts | daedalus_: who gives a shit? |
| 15:36.22 | FieldySnuts | @lart daedalus_ |
| 15:37.13 | daedalus_ | FieldySnuts: Uh, I like the dpkg bot because it is useful? And people don't realize that they can cause it to get booted? |
| 15:37.22 | FieldySnuts | leave me alone |
| 15:37.32 | daedalus_ | FieldySnuts: Whiner :) |
| 15:37.33 | FieldySnuts | or I will get Phated to abuse you |
| 15:37.40 | FieldySnuts | you're the one whining. |
| 15:37.48 | asg | FieldySnuts: people pay good money for that |
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| 15:37.54 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 15:37.58 | goccia | ravenbird is amazing |
| 15:37.58 | ravenbird | goccia: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:38.03 | goccia | hehehe |
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| 15:38.29 | asg | !qotd31 |
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| 15:38.29 | dpkg | < galois> bethe: mutt? < bethe> bitch! |
| 15:38.41 | FieldySnuts | god. |
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| 15:39.16 | liable | daedalus_: dpkg doesnt often get booted, seeing as debhelper, is run by the same owner as dpkg.. |
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| 15:39.46 | asg | daedalus_: the GN** issue was due to the fact that uttering that word causes an automatic k-line. |
| 15:40.04 | xst | Is konqueror and mozilla-firefox sharing the same plugins dir? |
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| 15:40.31 | daedalus_ | asg: what?? |
| 15:40.43 | liable | xst: no. not likely. |
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| 15:40.53 | asg | daedalus_: nevermind, I though you meant Gnea as a way not to say GN** |
| 15:40.56 | FieldySnuts | asg: he's a moron |
| 15:41.11 | asg | ni! |
| 15:41.27 | FieldySnuts | nuu |
| 15:41.32 | asg | newom |
| 15:41.35 | daedalus_ | asg: Uh, no. |
| 15:41.36 | FieldySnuts | peng |
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| 15:41.45 | asg | icky icky icky fkang |
| 15:41.54 | s_ward | now now girls |
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| 15:42.04 | FieldySnuts | knights who... who till recently said ni. |
| 15:42.19 | liable | I want a shrubbery... |
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| 15:42.28 | FieldySnuts | scene 27 |
| 15:42.45 | dvs | FieldySnuts: What do they say now? |
| 15:42.48 | asg | liable: with a two level effect and a little path running down the middle |
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| 15:42.53 | FieldySnuts | "it" |
| 15:42.57 | liable | hehe |
| 15:43.04 | ixion | ive built two virtual windows DHCP server, one on a debian box, the other on a redhat box - the one on the redhat accepts bootp requests, the one on debian doesnt. The virtual machines are confugred to use bridged networking. I am sure all the windows components are configured correctly, could there be something on my debian networking configuration that is blocking it from listening to broadcast requests? |
| 15:43.08 | goccia | xsdg: konqueror > settings > configure konwueror > plugins |
| 15:43.11 | FieldySnuts | ~dorks |
| 15:43.15 | FieldySnuts | :< |
| 15:43.30 | FieldySnuts | apt: dachs? |
| 15:43.31 | goccia | ops |
| 15:43.33 | FieldySnuts | feh |
| 15:43.38 | liable | but, how much can a laden swallow carry? |
| 15:43.49 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: dachs? |
| 15:43.49 | mtnman | unladen you mean. |
| 15:43.51 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 15:43.56 | mtnman | african or european |
| 15:43.58 | mtnman | 9~/ |
| 15:44.07 | FieldySnuts | blue. |
| 15:44.10 | FieldySnuts | NO.. yellow! |
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| 15:44.27 | FieldySnuts | a famous historian heh |
| 15:44.41 | pusling | apt-get install porn |
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| 15:44.47 | pusling | woops - wrong window |
| 15:45.02 | ricky_clarkson | pornview |
| 15:45.06 | ricky_clarkson | !info pornview |
| 15:45.20 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 227 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
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| 15:45.40 | ricky_clarkson | Recommends: Tissues |
| 15:45.55 | pusling | *lol* |
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| 15:46.38 | FieldySnuts | oh my |
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| 15:48.11 | asg | ricky_clarkson: Suggests: heavy-duty-paper-towels (>= 1.01) |
| 15:48.13 | trueno | Hi! What's the difference between helix and realplayer? my helix can't play .rm streams embedded in web pages... I am running helix-player version 1.0.4 |
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| 15:48.40 | redMM | hi guys, I have a question: while booting, my system always displays "DHCPDiscover on eth0 to 255 port 67 intervall 4" |
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| 15:48.54 | redMM | it really slows down booting, any idea how to make it stop do that? |
| 15:48.56 | ricky_clarkson | asg: SOCKS |
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| 15:49.11 | Bac9 | redMM: asign a static ip |
| 15:49.18 | asg | ricky_clarkson: 4 or 5? |
| 15:49.25 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Yes. |
| 15:49.35 | asg | redMM: or remove 'auto eth0' from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:49.51 | redMM | Bac9: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 15:52.22 | misfitx7 | i have installed debian on a system with an existing wireless adapter before and it automatically detected and set it up |
| 15:52.34 | misfitx7 | how do i add one after the installation? |
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| 15:52.53 | misfitx7 | i installed hostap and wireless-tools |
| 15:52.55 | asg | misfitx7: install the correct module, install wireless-tools, man 7 wireless |
| 15:53.01 | misfitx7 | ok |
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| 15:54.02 | Eclipser | hah |
| 15:54.16 | goccia | 4 times faster :) |
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| 15:56.26 | goccia | i'd love to ripp a radio debian : talking bots included |
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| 16:02.28 | Fleck | hey how can i play vob (DVD files) from Hard Disk in Linux? |
| 16:02.38 | Fleck | Power DVD plays those well in windows |
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| 16:02.58 | Fleck | mplayer doesn't, sound repeating and picture is not right too ... |
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| 16:06.03 | blastman | je veux particper a des listes de discussion mais j'peux utiliser quoi comme soft ? |
| 16:06.41 | asg | !fr |
| 16:06.41 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 16:06.42 | trueno | blastman: !fr |
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| 16:07.08 | pureone | oui |
| 16:07.30 | dvs | blastman: mutt works well with lists |
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| 16:07.51 | lanchow | anyone know a good trip hop cd ? |
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| 16:08.43 | asg | lanchow: the last music I bought was Bad Religion's 'Empire Strikes First'. Good album; even for road trips. Not trip-hop though (wtf that is) |
| 16:09.12 | asg | !:E |
| 16:09.13 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 16:09.23 | FieldySnuts | um |
| 16:09.27 | lanchow | ok gonna listen that ;p |
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| 16:11.37 | websdale | lanchow:try http://www.triphop-music.com |
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| 16:13.26 | lanchow | thx |
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| 16:15.36 | exobyte | in a dialup chatscriot, I have line "OK-AT-OK "ATDTxxxxxxx"", then a CONNECT \d\c line. Is the connect line sent or revieced? |
| 16:15.39 | tarzeau | has nobody got recent builds of amiwm packaged? |
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| 16:16.42 | smhar | hi.. |
| 16:17.14 | smhar | I have sound in kse but no sound in XFCE, what is wrong? |
| 16:17.24 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: amiwm is truly crap. |
| 16:17.50 | metis | I run a 64-bit kernel + some 32-bit apps in a chroot + some native amd64 binaries. This is my only sources.list entry deb http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-amd64 sid main non-free contrib I think it's out of date. What is the new value I need to enter in sources.list? |
| 16:18.41 | cmug | lastlog cmug |
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| 16:18.44 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: bullshit |
| 16:18.46 | cmug | +/ |
| 16:18.50 | jarping | how look directory shadow -.=carpeta in windows xp from debian |
| 16:18.53 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: far better than KDE or GNOME shit |
| 16:19.04 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
| 16:19.06 | jarping | ls -a not working |
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| 16:19.15 | smhar | I have sound in KDE but no sound in XFCE, what is wrong? |
| 16:19.20 | tarzeau | smhar: what's kse? |
| 16:19.36 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: KDE and GNOME aren't window managers. |
| 16:19.38 | tarzeau | smhar: what software exactly (process name)? |
| 16:19.39 | smhar | tarzeau, s/kse/kde |
| 16:19.45 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: aw true |
| 16:20.09 | smhar | tarzeau, realplayer for instance |
| 16:20.23 | tarzeau | smhar: haha. dunno |
| 16:20.35 | smhar | tarzeau, totem too |
| 16:20.45 | ricky_clarkson | !ssh |
| 16:20.45 | dpkg | somebody said ssh was Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client |
| 16:20.49 | asg | tarzeau: looks like a yacc (bison) or flex error |
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| 16:21.35 | ricky_clarkson | Doesn't seem to be any IRC channel about ssh stuff. |
| 16:21.41 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, here's my problem. |
| 16:21.46 | tarzeau | asg: yes. but i'd really love to get that fixed |
| 16:21.55 | asg | tarzeau: any error in the bts? |
| 16:22.05 | tarzeau | asg: btw i tried shfs... it's fantastic ;) |
| 16:22.09 | asg | tarzeau: :) cool |
| 16:22.15 | ricky_clarkson | My work machine cannot accept incoming connections from machines outside my workplace, but my boss's can. sshd runs on both. |
| 16:22.21 | tarzeau | asg: let me check bts, but the only version in deb is oldstable |
| 16:22.26 | asg | oh |
| 16:22.34 | metis | !debian-pure |
| 16:22.35 | ricky_clarkson | Can I use ssh -X over ssh -X to forward X programs to my home machine? |
| 16:22.40 | metis | !pure |
| 16:22.55 | ricky_clarkson | Or use a port forwarding to get more directly at my work machine. |
| 16:22.56 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 16:23.15 | galataranator | could anyone tell me how to set module options with sarge's autoloading of modules? for example this is the pwc module using generic 2.6.12 kernel and i want to say keep the settings i would have if i were to do a "modprobe pwc size=cif fps=15" |
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| 16:25.18 | FieldySnuts | SexyGranny89: go away. |
| 16:25.33 | dvs | ha! Nice handle |
| 16:25.46 | metis | What is the difference between debian-pure64 and debian-amd64? |
| 16:25.53 | dvs | galataranator: 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:25.53 | FieldySnuts | handle? this isn't cb :) |
| 16:25.59 | galataranator | dvs: 2.6 |
| 16:26.03 | asg | breaker breaker mr. Bandit |
| 16:26.07 | dvs | FieldySnuts: are you sure? over. |
| 16:26.12 | FieldySnuts | 10-4 |
| 16:26.43 | galataranator | roger that yankee bravo |
| 16:26.48 | dvs | galataranator: put a file in the /etc/modprobe.d with a line that say "option pwc size..." |
| 16:26.55 | tarzeau | asg: no bugs in BTS .. |
| 16:27.37 | galataranator | dvs: do i need to worry about char-major and all that stuff like before? and do i have to name the file anything specific? |
| 16:27.51 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
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| 16:28.21 | dvs | galataranator: you don't have to worry about char-major if you just want to specify options. Also, try to make the filename that is not a name of a package |
| 16:28.32 | NestorReloaded | Hello |
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| 16:28.42 | galataranator | dvs: groove ... thank you very much |
| 16:28.49 | dvs | galataranator: 10-4 |
| 16:28.57 | NestorReloaded | does anybody use apt-build?? |
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| 16:29.51 | asg | ricky_clarkson: you might try ssh -X user@machine1 ssh -X user@machine2 xterm |
| 16:30.35 | NestorReloaded | because I can use it with small aplicattions, but when I try to use it with apliccttions like KDE or xfree86, always is the same "segmentation fault" error... whay can I do? |
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| 16:31.00 | metis | !kde34 |
| 16:31.03 | metis | !kde |
| 16:31.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.1. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it to #debian-kde |
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| 16:31.29 | SimonRaven | metis: could you change your nick? *i'm* a metis person |
| 16:31.34 | dvs | wrong! It's Qt 4.0 |
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| 16:31.44 | dvs | I should know. I had to install it yesterday. |
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| 16:32.06 | Randall | Is Qt4 just like heaven? |
| 16:32.14 | loocek | how to check from which city is some server ? |
| 16:32.22 | dvs | Dunno. I didn't get it to work... yet. |
| 16:32.22 | NestorReloaded | because I can use it with small aplicattions, but when I try to use it with apliccttions like KDE or xfree86, always is the same "segmentation fault" error... whay can I do? |
| 16:32.25 | FieldySnuts | @vague |
| 16:32.25 | ravenbird | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 16:32.27 | metis | SimonRaven: I didn't know it stood for MS too. |
| 16:32.46 | metis | SimonRaven: It has more meanings. |
| 16:32.48 | SimonRaven | loocek: geoip and whois |
| 16:32.52 | SimonRaven | metis: what? |
| 16:33.10 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Is that all one command? |
| 16:33.10 | metis | SimonRaven: What what? |
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| 16:33.23 | SimonRaven | !dict metis |
| 16:33.25 | dpkg | Dictionary 'metis' M'etis \M['e]`tis"\, n. m. M'etisse \M['e]`tisse"\, n. f.[F.; akin to Sp. mestizo. See Mestizo.] 1. The offspring of a white person and an American Indian. |
| 16:33.32 | sandman | If a process has many child-processes (that is, processes listed lower in the tree from ps fuax), and I renice the top-most process in the tree, will that effectively change the priority of all the underlying processes? |
| 16:33.46 | asg | ricky_clarkson: yes (you might need to use -t to prevent passwords being echoed) |
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| 16:33.55 | dawg | nestorreloaded, firstly don't repeat and secondly check the bts there are a number of reports about segfaults |
| 16:34.03 | Randall | sandman: Can't you just try it? :) |
| 16:34.20 | ricky_clarkson | asg: First I need to install ssh locally. ;) |
| 16:34.24 | ricky_clarkson | [cygwin] |
| 16:34.33 | sandman | It doesn't appear to work that way, but perhaps because it is a child-process (or thread, I can't tell the difference based on ps fuax) |
| 16:34.37 | ciaron | is smtp auth enabled in exim by default? |
| 16:34.39 | asg | ricky_clarkson: that would help :) |
| 16:34.54 | asg | ciaron: enabled yes, configured no |
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| 16:34.56 | metis | SimonRaven: Trust me, it has at least 5 different meanings. |
| 16:35.20 | ciaron | asg: what about it needs configuring? |
| 16:35.47 | asg | ciaron: it's at the bottom of the config for exim3 or look in /etc/exim4/conf.d/* for exim4 |
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| 16:36.01 | SimonRaven | metis: sure. np. so i withdraw my request for you to change your nick, but now you're aware of another meaning. :) |
| 16:36.02 | asg | ciaron: exim4-doc or exim-doc also has blatheringly good documentation |
| 16:36.03 | ciaron | asg: cheers, will do |
| 16:36.34 | Randall | sandman: pstree might make things clearer ... |
| 16:36.45 | MakeUpANickName | SimonRaven: And I assume it's a bad thing to be a metis, right? (i.e. it's a negative word with all it's implications)? |
| 16:36.48 | ricky_clarkson | My mom told me never to pstree. |
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| 16:37.01 | SimonRaven | MakeUpANickName: nope, proud of it |
| 16:37.13 | MakeUpANickName | SimonRaven: Oh, then what was the problem? |
| 16:37.15 | SimonRaven | MakeUpANickName: it's different in .ca |
| 16:37.28 | dvs | California? |
| 16:37.32 | SimonRaven | MakeUpANickName: none now |
| 16:37.38 | ricky_clarkson | Cambridge, obviously. |
| 16:37.48 | MakeUpANickName | SimonRaven: I don't get it. |
| 16:38.14 | ricky_clarkson | Damn, Cygwin takes ages to install stuff on. |
| 16:38.32 | Randall | yes, cygwin is very slow |
| 16:38.45 | SimonRaven | MakeUpANickName: it's ok. |
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| 16:39.15 | exobyte | dvs: go cali!! |
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| 16:39.33 | Derkommissar | Hello |
| 16:39.38 | Derkommissar | quick question |
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| 16:39.48 | tarzeau | asg: a friend told me how to fix it in lex.l ;) |
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| 16:40.58 | Blackman | SimonRaven: Should I compare the situatation to people being offended by this nickname? |
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| 16:41.03 | Derkommissar | is there a way to bypass fsck on the boot process? my box keeps going into fsck then it says it found some errors to press ctrl-d to continue or enter the root password, the problem is that at that point the keyboard is non responcive.... i wonder if from grub i can bypass this process ? |
| 16:41.30 | SimonRaven | Blackman: i think people would if you used another word. |
| 16:41.49 | dvs | SimonRaven: Eddie Murphy? ;-) |
| 16:41.52 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Blackman |
| 16:41.57 | FieldySnuts | wtf that's gone too? |
| 16:42.05 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 16:42.05 | dpkg | Sorry, twistedemotions, I didn't get your test. |
| 16:42.08 | SimonRaven | dvs: i share a birthday with him :) |
| 16:42.25 | dvs | SimonRaven: I sure know how to pick'em |
| 16:42.30 | Blackman | SimonRaven: Oh, like blackn***er |
| 16:42.33 | SimonRaven | dvs: :) |
| 16:42.38 | FieldySnuts | why is this troll still here |
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| 16:42.43 | pder | hi |
| 16:43.02 | Randall | Derk: someone thought it would be a good idea not to have a keyboard driver in an emergency situation, it's maddening |
| 16:43.20 | jetx | which troll though |
| 16:43.23 | SimonRaven | alphanumerical: i don't know that word |
| 16:43.30 | Randall | Derk: I have to keep a knoppix cd on hand for debian |
| 16:43.52 | Eclipser | how can I see info about a user? |
| 16:43.54 | alphanumerical | SimonRaven: "BlackNigger" (you should fill in the dots) |
| 16:43.58 | Derkommissar | im out of the country and all i have is a second partition with windows |
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| 16:44.07 | SimonRaven | alphanumerical: you didn't have to repeat it |
| 16:44.08 | Derkommissar | and a usb key |
| 16:44.09 | ke6isf | Eclipser: ...on your machine? In IRC? |
| 16:44.09 | Randall | Derk: You could init=/bin/sh or something but then you still don't have a keyboard driver |
| 16:44.14 | Eclipser | ke6isf, machine |
| 16:44.19 | jetx | ah that troll |
| 16:44.26 | alphanumerical | SimonRaven: Ok, I thought you didn't understand. |
| 16:44.28 | SimonRaven | yes that one |
| 16:44.32 | Derkommissar | init=/bin/sh |
| 16:44.32 | Randall | Derk: There are bootable usb key images around (install images at least) |
| 16:44.35 | Derkommissar | ? |
| 16:44.35 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Fing... wait, people don't use that any more. =O.o= |
| 16:44.38 | amahbod | hello all, does anyone know of a program that keeps a running tally of keys pressed (like a counter that increments whenever you press a key) |
| 16:44.39 | Derkommissar | where would i put that ? |
| 16:44.41 | alphanumerical | SimonRaven: but that's what you meant, right? |
| 16:44.47 | Derkommissar | in grub ? |
| 16:44.51 | FieldySnuts | oh well it's the weekend and ops don't care enough about the chan to add more ops that are around at times like this, frankly he can do whatever he wants |
| 16:44.54 | Randall | Derk: It'd start sh instead of init, but it would help you w/o a kbd driver |
| 16:44.55 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Finger comes to mind, but what are you looking for? |
| 16:45.33 | Derkommissar | ok the keyboard works before fsck runs, and stops working at fsck |
| 16:45.33 | Randall | would not |
| 16:45.33 | FieldySnuts | usb keyboard? if so, use a usb -> ps2 adapter |
| 16:45.33 | Eclipser | finger works on that system, thanks |
| 16:45.33 | Derkommissar | so if i can make it go to the a shell it would be great |
| 16:45.33 | Randall | Derk: It works because the peecee bios is emulating, until the kernel gets control |
| 16:45.43 | Derkommissar | i got a usb keyboard and the laptop build in keyboard |
| 16:45.58 | Derkommissar | :-/ |
| 16:46.00 | FieldySnuts | ah laptop, explains the lame behavior. i'm out of this one |
| 16:46.03 | Randall | Derk: Are they both usb? |
| 16:46.10 | pder | DEBIAN DO NOT SUPPORT KEYBOARD |
| 16:46.19 | jetx | there is no keyboard |
| 16:46.20 | Derkommissar | the laptop emulates pst |
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| 16:46.42 | alphanumerical | SimonRaven: ? |
| 16:46.42 | Randall | pder: That definitely needs to go into the manual. |
| 16:46.51 | Derkommissar | i looked for usb distro, but they all have to be installed from linux |
| 16:46.53 | pder | Randall: lol |
| 16:47.03 | pder | i volunteer |
| 16:47.06 | Randall | Derk: I thought I saw a fedora one at least. |
| 16:47.20 | Derkommissar | i can work with that |
| 16:47.23 | Randall | Derk: You just need to fsck from outside debian. |
| 16:47.39 | Derkommissar | yes |
| 16:47.42 | Derkommissar | :-) |
| 16:47.54 | Derkommissar | can i do it from windows (Stupid question) |
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| 16:48.16 | Randall | Derk: You can fsck ext2 from win32 ... |
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| 16:48.27 | Derkommissar | really ? |
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| 16:48.40 | dcompiler | Derkommissar: why not use a live CD? |
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| 16:48.48 | Derkommissar | i dont have a live cd |
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| 16:48.53 | dcompiler | get one |
| 16:48.58 | Derkommissar | nor a cdr |
| 16:48.59 | dcompiler | Slax is less than 180meg |
| 16:49.03 | Derkommissar | nor a fast connection |
| 16:49.03 | dcompiler | oh |
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| 16:49.10 | Derkommissar | it would take 3 days on 14.4 |
| 16:49.18 | dvs | 14.4!?! |
| 16:49.19 | dcompiler | OMG, you serious? |
| 16:49.19 | Randall | Derk: If you download some stuff, yes. |
| 16:49.19 | goki | Anyone know if there is a package for the language "d"? |
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| 16:49.33 | Derkommissar | :-) its a little faster |
| 16:49.35 | goki | its single-letter name is making it hard to find |
| 16:49.42 | Gathond | Derkommissar: damnsmalllinux 64 MB, probably wont get much smaller |
| 16:49.45 | Derkommissar | im in ecuador, here 56K is high speed internet |
| 16:50.17 | Derkommissar | :-) |
| 16:50.18 | Randall | Can you hire some people to transport your packets across the border to Mexico? |
| 16:50.18 | lenux | damn...........56k high speed |
| 16:50.24 | Derkommissar | cant get better than this... |
| 16:50.34 | Derkommissar | LOL |
| 16:50.46 | miguel | could some one plz tell me some chat room about perl |
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| 16:50.49 | Derkommissar | dandall only ext2 from windows ? |
| 16:50.53 | dcompiler | my home connection is 3mbit. Poor Derkommissar |
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| 16:51.14 | Derkommissar | my home connection is 6 when no1 is using it. |
| 16:51.18 | lenux | mine two 3mb can get 5mb |
| 16:51.27 | Derkommissar | i have a good cable modem |
| 16:51.31 | dunstabulos | miguel, #perl? |
| 16:51.40 | Derkommissar | but thats in USA, in miami. |
| 16:51.48 | miguel | gracias dunstabulos |
| 16:52.09 | lenux | what are you over there 4 |
| 16:52.16 | Derkommissar | working |
| 16:52.30 | lenux | may i ask on what |
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| 16:52.49 | goki | No one knows the package for "D" ? |
| 16:52.53 | Derkommissar | Im expanding an interconection that we have with a cell phone carrier here |
| 16:53.01 | FieldySnuts | goki: please be less vague |
| 16:53.04 | lenux | oh |
| 16:53.06 | amahbod | does anyone know of a program that keeps a running tally of keys pressed (like a counter that increments whenever you press a key) |
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| 16:53.15 | Derkommissar | i work for a telco carrier |
| 16:53.21 | TwistedEmotions | How many different kernels can Lilo Handle? |
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| 16:53.53 | lanchow | 256 ? :) |
| 16:54.03 | ricky_clarkson | TwistedEmotions: Ask him! |
| 16:54.09 | goki | FieldySnuts, the programming language "D", from Digital Mars. I wondered if there was a package for it? |
| 16:54.10 | Wh0re | anyone help me wiv a problem on the install of debian |
| 16:54.16 | TwistedEmotions | Oh.. kk |
| 16:54.20 | Wh0re | its a network issue |
| 16:54.34 | Derkommissar | Randall where can i get more info about fsck from windows ? |
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| 16:54.38 | Randall | Derk: google |
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| 16:55.08 | Randall | Twisted: You'll have to travel back to the 90s when people used lilo. |
| 16:55.11 | FieldySnuts | Wh0re: with more details maybe. without, nope |
| 16:55.15 | Derkommissar | :-) havent found anything |
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| 16:55.33 | Wh0re | i pick which card it is and it errors saying it cant load |
| 16:55.34 | TwistedEmotions | Randall: haha my computer doesnt like grub ;( |
| 16:55.37 | Randall | Derk: Your technique needs work. |
| 16:55.39 | Wh0re | and i neeed to enter the load time parameters e.g. irq=7 io=0x220 |
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| 16:55.53 | FieldySnuts | isa? heh. no idea. |
| 16:55.59 | Randall | Twisted: Booting on peecees is some kind of mysterious magic (don't ask me) |
| 16:56.01 | lenux | does firefox have chat zilla also in it? |
| 16:56.06 | Eclipser | no |
| 16:56.10 | Randall | lenux: It's an extension. |
| 16:56.11 | Eclipser | there's a plugin for it though |
| 16:56.11 | Wh0re | its a realtek pci one |
| 16:56.16 | Eclipser | extension, whatever |
| 16:56.17 | lenux | oh |
| 16:56.21 | Wh0re | it picks it up but errors when installing |
| 16:56.37 | Wh0re | its the RTL8139D |
| 16:56.43 | Wh0re | which is on the list |
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| 16:57.22 | dvs | stupid 8139too |
| 16:57.23 | Randall | troll! |
| 16:57.27 | Randall | Get him! |
| 16:57.31 | ubuntu | Any brazilian here? |
| 16:57.32 | Randall | Pay the toll! |
| 16:57.39 | tarzeau | !br |
| 16:57.40 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:57.52 | dvs | TIGOS: Too late! Get him! |
| 16:57.54 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here who runs grub2... can you tell me the equivalent of the grub update command? |
| 16:58.03 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: try #gnu-kbsd |
| 16:58.26 | goki | oh... I guess there is no D package because of the licence :( doh |
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| 16:59.24 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: this is unstable.. not old.. |
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| 16:59.50 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: it's just there's people in there that use/develop on grub2 |
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| 17:00.12 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: negative. They all gave me funny looks. |
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| 17:00.46 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: bullshit, you've just got no patience |
| 17:00.58 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: and asking the fucking wrong way as in polling |
| 17:01.07 | Randall | And you smell funny. |
| 17:01.08 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: braindmg grub2 for gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 17:01.09 | FieldySnuts | @troll TwistedEmotions |
| 17:01.16 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: yes |
| 17:01.27 | xgm | Need to check wich kernel is in hdb1. Wich console command? |
| 17:01.45 | Randall | xgm: ls` |
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| 17:01.49 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: wait you ask about grub2 on #debian (not mentioning linux at all) |
| 17:02.09 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: it IS a debian package.. |
| 17:02.19 | tarzeau | i know |
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| 17:02.29 | SimonRaven | Randall: your father is a hamster, and your mother smells of elderberries |
| 17:02.32 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: probably somebody not using debian, but asking lots of different distro channels |
| 17:02.33 | xgm | Right, tarzeau |
| 17:02.39 | outlaw84 | Normally I use "make menuconfig", "make-kpkg clean" , "make-kpkg buildpackage --initrd -rev Custom.1 kernel_image" and later just "dpkg -i <kernel-image>". But I am patching the kernel with LIDS and in their description they "manually" compile and install their kernel. So I am wondering where can I stop following their howto? It is found on http://wiki.lids.org/index.php/LIDS_2.2_Installation_Howto I came here to ask beacuse of the fact |
| 17:02.40 | pder | when will dist-upgrading unstable be safe again? it wants to remove aptitude |
| 17:02.45 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: ff SimonRaven |
| 17:02.45 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: fartfish |
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| 17:02.53 | Randall | I stole de baby, I stole de baby! |
| 17:02.55 | TwistedEmotions | So then why is it so wacked I ask about grub2 here? |
| 17:02.56 | SimonRaven | FieldySnuts: :) |
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| 17:03.13 | FieldySnuts | if you don't know the answer, you probably are incapable of understanding |
| 17:03.16 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: it's fine, i just thought braindmg will help you in there when you are nice |
| 17:03.20 | FieldySnuts | go away, or I shall taunt you a second time |
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| 17:03.22 | xgm | I only asked for a command !! |
| 17:03.25 | sparkx | hi everybody |
| 17:03.42 | tarzeau | xgm: what filesystem? check /boot ? |
| 17:03.44 | FieldySnuts | empty headed food trough water |
| 17:03.47 | FieldySnuts | correction |
| 17:03.50 | TwistedEmotions | FieldySnuts: shut up... |
| 17:03.51 | FieldySnuts | empty headed animal food trough water |
| 17:03.52 | pder | why is unstable so unstable? |
| 17:03.54 | FieldySnuts | no. |
| 17:03.59 | FieldySnuts | pder: are you being serious? |
| 17:04.05 | tarzeau | !slap pder |
| 17:04.06 | jmnet | how do I set my programs to start on boot-up? |
| 17:04.12 | TwistedEmotions | pder: Why is water wet? |
| 17:04.12 | Randall | pder doesn't strike my as particularly serious |
| 17:04.18 | Randall | s/my/my fancy/ |
| 17:04.24 | xgm | Sid, Ibelieve it's a 2.6.11, but I want to ascertain |
| 17:04.30 | tarzeau | jmnet: man update-rc.d |
| 17:04.33 | FieldySnuts | ~pilz |
| 17:04.40 | ricky_clarkson | Don't type so fast. This channel looks like Tetris level 50! |
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| 17:04.43 | FieldySnuts | apt: blaireau test |
| 17:04.50 | jmnet | tarzeau: thanx |
| 17:04.50 | tarzeau | jmnet: i prefer screen by service or cron |
| 17:04.59 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite test |
| 17:05.00 | ravenbird | test: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 17:05.00 | smhar | ricky_clarkson, :-) |
| 17:05.03 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite test |
| 17:05.11 | FieldySnuts | brb bath, no looking |
| 17:05.11 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: you don't have a key called PageUp ? |
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| 17:05.26 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: You don't have a sense of humour? |
| 17:05.34 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.39 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: sure i do. i wonder what your terminal size is with irc |
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| 17:05.49 | landslide | is cksum a CRC32? |
| 17:05.53 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: and /ignore ;) |
| 17:05.57 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: Right now 80x25, but it doesn't have to be. |
| 17:05.58 | tarzeau | landslide: no, imho |
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| 17:06.08 | tarzeau | cksum (1) - checksum and count the bytes in a file |
| 17:06.10 | landslide | tar: how can i do a crc32 on a file then? |
| 17:06.22 | FieldySnuts | @do landslide |
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| 17:06.53 | tarzeau | landslide: zip does it, who else uses still crc32? |
| 17:06.55 | Randall | cksum -o 3 |
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| 17:07.22 | landslide | my cksum doesn't have -o as a possibility? |
| 17:07.32 | landslide | tarzeau: bootloaders. |
| 17:07.35 | tarzeau | landslide: neither does mine |
| 17:07.38 | tarzeau | landslide: which? |
| 17:07.43 | landslide | apex. |
| 17:07.45 | FieldySnuts | probably not using debian (see above) |
| 17:08.02 | Randall | landslide: oh, GNU/linux must ROCK/suck |
| 17:08.02 | tarzeau | landslide: you have that in debian? |
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| 17:08.06 | pder | why does aptitude dist-upgrade want to remove aptitude? |
| 17:08.13 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 17:08.14 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 17:08.18 | tarzeau | !topicbadger pder |
| 17:08.19 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that pder didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 17:08.33 | landslide | tar: no not for debian ;) |
| 17:08.50 | landslide | tar: but it was an example of someone who uses crc32 still ;) |
| 17:08.53 | ricky_clarkson | I actually saw a road sign in Wales that had a big exclamation mark (!) and the word Badgers beneath. |
| 17:08.54 | xgm | Bye, people |
| 17:08.55 | pder | ah yes, forget about that |
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| 17:10.42 | tarzeau | landslide: there's plenty sources on the web on how to do crc32.. |
| 17:10.53 | pder | can someone calmly answer when the gcc 4.0 transition will be complete? |
| 17:11.00 | tarzeau | landslide: can you tell more about "apex"? |
| 17:11.06 | landslide | tarzeau: mate i've written my own too... I just wanted something nice from the commandline... |
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| 17:11.27 | landslide | tarzeau: it's just a simple bootloader used in embedded linux., |
| 17:11.29 | tarzeau | pder: really i guess we don't know exactly either. but your best source of information are the mailing lists of debian |
| 17:11.40 | tarzeau | pder: that's lists.debian.org (check for debian-devel) |
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| 17:12.02 | tarzeau | landslide: ah that's fine |
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| 17:12.04 | Tye_ | I |
| 17:12.21 | TwistedEmotions | Okay... going to try and get grub to work... update-grub worked.. found all the kernels... now how do I get it to write to MBR? |
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| 17:12.25 | pder | tarzeau: i wish there was something a little more condensed than debian-devel |
| 17:12.38 | tarzeau | pder: the topic of #debian-devel ? |
| 17:12.42 | Tye_ | I'm installing Sarge alongside Win XP. Is there a reason to put the Linux partition before the Windows? |
| 17:12.55 | tarzeau | Tye_: no |
| 17:13.07 | TwistedEmotions | Tye_: no.. I installed linux second and works fine. |
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| 17:13.32 | Tye_ | I've got a Linux swap as hda2 and then Linux as hda3. I should be good to go, no? |
| 17:14.05 | chris_ | Tye_: yeah partition ordering doesn't matter |
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| 17:14.11 | TwistedEmotions | Tye_: I see no problems... install program will figure it out. |
| 17:14.14 | Tye_ | Thanks guys. |
| 17:14.19 | Randall | Tye: Your only obstacle is the retarded peecee bios, so you'll just have to try booting. |
| 17:14.52 | tarzeau | Tye_: i'd use GRUB |
| 17:14.56 | Wh0re | when i am running detect network hardware it goes to load modual and cumes up with this errror |
| 17:14.56 | Wh0re | " error while running 'modprobe -v 8139too' |
| 17:14.59 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? How do you get grub to write it's menu.list to the MBR or whatever? |
| 17:15.14 | Wh0re | any ideas ppl? |
| 17:15.19 | Tye_ | tarzeau: Yeah, traditionally used lilo, but now I've gotta learn grub. About time I'd say |
| 17:15.26 | Randall | Wh0re: Anything when you alt-F[34] ? |
| 17:15.47 | tarzeau | Tye_: it's really easy |
| 17:15.53 | Wh0re | ill have a look 2 secs |
| 17:15.57 | Randall | Tye: Are you sure it's 8139too you need and nother of the other 10 8139 drivers? |
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| 17:16.14 | Randall | weird typo |
| 17:16.19 | blastman | #ocean-coding |
| 17:16.30 | Tye_ | Randall: Yeah, scary since I've used 8139too previously ... |
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| 17:16.56 | Randall | Tye: This is linux, silly user, consistency is unimportant ;) |
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| 17:17.15 | Wh0re | could it be cause the modual is for 8139 c and c+ not the d one |
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| 17:18.18 | Wh0re | randall it just goes to the list then |
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| 17:18.29 | moo | is there anyone here that can help me with debootstrap |
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| 17:19.40 | dunstabulos | im moving my debian and winxp dual boot onto my new hard drive when it comes on monday, is it easiest to create the same partition sizes on the new drive and dd it over, then edit the grub config to boot off the new drive, or is there some better way (debian could stay on the old drive, for example)? |
| 17:19.48 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: it doesn't write menu.lst to anywhere special. but you can use 'grub-install' to make it put its MBR thing in the MBR |
| 17:20.56 | Randall | I saw this option in the partitioner part of the installer to "copy data from another partition." |
| 17:21.09 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: it's asking me for what file or drive to install... ? Shouldnt it just figure that out? |
| 17:21.13 | Randall | dunstabulos: That might be kind of cool if it works. |
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| 17:21.34 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: there are multiple places you could plausibly want it |
| 17:21.48 | dunstabulos | Randall, im thinking i may have to mess around and sacrifice lentils to make this work |
| 17:21.57 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: and it doesn't know which drive your BIOS is set up to boot first |
| 17:22.16 | Tye_ | Don't I need to chroot before I run debootstrap? |
| 17:22.31 | Tye_ | I seem to remember the Debian install manual saying something else earlier |
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| 17:25.16 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: What do I tell it if the MBR is on HD (0,0)? |
| 17:25.59 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: I haven't done it in awhile. we have two choices here. either you could read the manual and try stuff, or you could have me read the manual and try stuff and then quote the manual to you |
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| 17:26.12 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: I got it... |
| 17:26.22 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: grub-install hda |
| 17:26.25 | znh | hm I installed xserver-xfree86, however startx doesn't work? |
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| 17:26.44 | znh | !xserver |
| 17:26.59 | Gathond | znh: startx is in the xbase-clients package |
| 17:27.10 | znh | so I have to install xbase-clients? |
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| 17:27.51 | peterS | znh: that would be a reasonable deduction |
| 17:28.08 | ankon | anyone with liblua50-dev, stable who could tell me the output of lua-config --libs (and the installed version) please? |
| 17:28.16 | Gathond | znh: if you need startx then yes |
| 17:28.17 | znh | peterS: what ever |
| 17:28.38 | Tye_ | Why does debootstrap retrieve debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarg_Release? It doesn't look completely right to me |
| 17:29.07 | ankon | also helpful would be if anyone knows the irc nick of daniel silverstone |
| 17:29.41 | peterS | Tye_: try telling it 'sarge' in place of 'sarg' |
| 17:31.23 | KomiaPoika | lol |
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| 17:33.48 | Frafra | excuseme, in the 2 dvd for amd64, the packages are the same of the 386 version? |
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| 17:35.34 | Tye_ | peterS, Actually, that was just a typo on this computer. It was correct on the other. For some weird reason, the se-mirror didn |
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| 17:35.54 | Tye_ | Disregard the last session, someone put drugs in my lunch |
| 17:36.19 | gufymike | Whats the most comprehensive reading on dpkg ? |
| 17:36.31 | tarzeau | gufymike: www.debian.org/doc i guess |
| 17:36.45 | ajpr | hey guys am i right in thinking debian doesnt install X11 for desktop users? |
| 17:36.59 | gufymike | nothing like maximumrpm for rpm ? |
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| 17:37.19 | Tye_ | Okay, where could I go to try to find out why debootstrap simply "couldn't download libgcrypt7"? |
| 17:37.24 | Randall | ajapr: What would it install instead? |
| 17:37.42 | ajpr | i told it to install "desktop environment" |
| 17:37.49 | Randall | All that stuff depends on X. |
| 17:37.52 | ajpr | and all i got was a big black terminal |
| 17:38.08 | Tye_ | Maybe it failed in setting it up? |
| 17:38.09 | Randall | ajpr: It probably couldn't configure your video card. |
| 17:38.17 | ajpr | ohh right |
| 17:38.29 | Randall | ajpr: Did you get some dialog about X server failing to start, show you stuff? |
| 17:38.34 | ajpr | so now ive spent a while working out how to install X |
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| 17:38.40 | ajpr | it didnt even install it to start with |
| 17:38.41 | Psycho_Crk | hi :) |
| 17:38.48 | ajpr | nope randall |
| 17:38.49 | moo | is there anyone here that can help me with debootstrap |
| 17:38.54 | Randall | ajpr: aptitude is a decent front-end for the console |
| 17:39.11 | ajpr | yeah im now downloading X11 using aptitude |
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| 17:39.23 | ajpr | 2.2gb sound right? |
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| 17:39.44 | Randall | ajpr: installed with kde, yeah |
| 17:39.52 | ajpr | ah ok good |
| 17:40.02 | ajpr | its kinda confusing as im a linux novice |
| 17:40.14 | ajpr | i read the docs on debian.org |
| 17:40.23 | Randall | ajpr: Linux sucks (but everything else on x86 sucks more) |
| 17:40.26 | Psycho_Crk | someone now why my network card is restrain the internet trafic to 12 (but the lan trafic is link up at 100mb/s) |
| 17:40.34 | Psycho_Crk | 12 kb/s |
| 17:40.36 | ajpr | and i assumed "desktop environment" would give me a nice gui :] |
| 17:40.46 | Randall | Psycho: It's running at 10bT for some reason. |
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| 17:41.08 | Randall | Psycho: You can often feed a network driver some arguments, like link speed, but most autodetect. |
| 17:41.12 | j0xter | Is there a "kernel-source-2.6.12-1-i686" or similar available? I couldn't find anything more recent than 2.6.11-7. |
| 17:41.35 | ajpr | thanks randall |
| 17:41.45 | Randall | j0xter: You can build a custom kernel package easily from pristine sources. |
| 17:42.17 | Psycho_Crk | Randall : i know but it s just for the internet trafic |
| 17:42.29 | Psycho_Crk | into LAN it work very well |
| 17:42.32 | Tye_ | It seems the package libgcrypt7 doesn't exist. So why does debootstrap try to download it? |
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| 17:43.40 | Psycho_Crk | very strange and QoS isn t installed |
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| 17:44.12 | Psycho_Crk | and sometime it speed to 120 kb/s for 1 or 2 minute |
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| 17:48.45 | Psycho_Crk | no idée anyone ? |
| 17:48.49 | Psycho_Crk | idea |
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| 17:49.14 | ajpr | i honestly dont know |
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| 17:49.30 | ajpr | im having enough trouble just getting debian to install :] |
| 17:49.42 | ke6isf | ajpr: What are the symptoms? |
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| 17:50.56 | colde89 | where cold i get info for backup-manager,man and doc-files are not detailed |
| 17:51.06 | wspnut | I did "apt-get remove postfix" and now I'm getting errors with my MySQL... someone please help me (very urgent) |
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| 17:51.22 | ke6isf | colde89: 'info backup-manager' |
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| 17:51.34 | Eno_ | is there a file with a list of allowed ssh users? |
| 17:51.44 | colde89 | ke6isf: info? |
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| 17:51.51 | Tye_ | I just learned the hard way that hard drives get problems, and you lose data. Permanently, if you don't have backup. |
| 17:51.51 | hotte | Eno_: sshd_config: AllowUsers |
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| 17:52.02 | ke6isf | colde89: Yes, info. Uses non-x emacs as a document reader. |
| 17:52.09 | Eno_ | hotte: thanks |
| 17:52.10 | wspnut | I did "apt-get remove postfix" and now I'm getting errors with my MySQL... someone please help me (very urgent) |
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| 17:52.14 | ke6isf | colde89: Very nice it. |
| 17:52.17 | MrBallZ | hi = |
| 17:52.19 | ke6isf | !repeat |
| 17:52.20 | dpkg | hmm... repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 17:52.35 | wspnut | egh |
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| 17:52.55 | colde89 | ke6isf: you mean the readme and doc-files? |
| 17:52.57 | MrBallZ | I'm trying to compile vmware and its asking me for the directory of the C header files, im in Sarge kernel 2.6 , where are they located ? |
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| 17:53.09 | ajpr | ke6isf: i just got very little after installing debian |
| 17:53.24 | ajpr | so im not sure what packages to install |
| 17:53.27 | ke6isf | colde89: Yeah, but in the case of backup-manager, there's a lot more to them. |
| 17:53.37 | moo | apt-get install kernel-headers-$kernel version |
| 17:53.39 | ke6isf | ajpr: OK, did you use netinst or a CD install, and what distro? |
| 17:53.44 | MrBallZ | thanks moo |
| 17:53.50 | ajpr | cd install 108 mb i think |
| 17:53.57 | ke6isf | ajpr: |
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| 17:54.14 | ajpr | its downloaded packages then restarted |
| 17:54.16 | WadenKrampf | hi folks |
| 17:54.24 | ajpr | but i didnt get much more than a terminal screen |
| 17:54.25 | ke6isf | ajpr: OK, what's it doing right this second? |
| 17:54.30 | WadenKrampf | which is a good programm to convert avi's into mpg? |
| 17:54.34 | ajpr | its downloading X11 |
| 17:54.42 | ajpr | i think thats what i need |
| 17:54.44 | ajpr | not sure |
| 17:54.47 | colde89 | ke6isf: i have search with locate backup-manager, is there somethhing else you mean i have to read? |
| 17:54.50 | ke6isf | ajpr: Then hang tight. |
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| 17:55.00 | ajpr | ok cool , thanks ke6isf |
| 17:55.18 | wspnut | ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) (after apt-get remove postfix) |
| 17:55.19 | ke6isf | ajpr: This is part of the netinst. Go get yourself a cup of coffee. |
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| 17:55.34 | ajpr | ok i will :] |
| 17:55.38 | ajpr | thanks loads |
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| 17:55.46 | ke6isf | colde89: apt-get install info. |
| 17:55.53 | ke6isf | ajpr: Gladly. |
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| 17:56.14 | ke6isf | ajpr: Once you get X installed, Synaptic should be of assistance. |
| 17:56.52 | ke6isf | wspnut: Is MySQL running? |
| 17:57.02 | wspnut | no, there's no process any more |
| 17:57.05 | colde89 | ke6isf: ahh... |
| 17:57.10 | PhUrl | Hi all, someone is hogging the dsl on my debian box. please help me throttle them |
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| 17:57.30 | ke6isf | PhUrl: Contact your tech support for your DSL provider. |
| 17:57.52 | PhUrl | i need to traffic shape my router |
| 17:57.52 | ke6isf | PhUrl: If they're DDOSing you, then either that or a firewall are your solution. |
| 17:57.53 | moo | per user bandwidth quotas are a bitch to set up |
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| 17:58.31 | ke6isf | PhUrl: Is this one of your users? |
| 17:58.35 | PhUrl | moo: what about an ip |
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| 17:58.41 | PhUrl | it is one of my uses |
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| 17:58.53 | ke6isf | PhUrl: Then find their shell process and kill -HUP it. |
| 17:58.53 | addNtoX | hola |
| 17:58.56 | TwistedEmotions | How do I get a debian source file... aka linux-source-2.6.12.tar to just install/unzip into /use/src/linux/include? |
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| 17:59.13 | Parallax1 | how do i do to exec a script everytime I reboot the Box ??? |
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| 17:59.18 | PhUrl | ke6isf: wicked |
| 17:59.25 | ke6isf | PhUrl: Tell them that if they do that again then you'll remove their account. |
| 17:59.33 | ke6isf | PhUrl: It's your box, you have control, right? |
| 17:59.36 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: apt-get source somepackage ? |
| 17:59.45 | wspnut | ke6isf: the /var/run/mysqld directory got removed completely |
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| 17:59.52 | PhUrl | yes, but i need to limit them to like 50k |
| 17:59.53 | Xenguy | PhUrl: apt-get install slay |
| 17:59.56 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: for linux kernel you use apt-get install some-source, and you get a .tar.ball in /usr/src |
| 17:59.57 | PhUrl | hehe |
| 18:00.00 | ke6isf | wspnut: Did MySQL get uninstalled? If so, reinstall it. |
| 18:00.01 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: that you just extract |
| 18:00.03 | sparkx | Parallax1, write a script to place in /etc/init.d and create symlinks to it with update-rc.d |
| 18:00.14 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: maybe you only want kernel headers? |
| 18:00.27 | wspnut | ke6isf: my system says it's still installed... postfix just must've deleted some stuff that didn't belong to it :( but I don't know what/how |
| 18:00.32 | Parallax1 | mmm ok |
| 18:00.41 | colde89 | ke6isf: info backup-manager ... no entry for backup-manager |
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| 18:01.12 | PhUrl | thank you all for your input, what about some simple traffic shaping software for debian |
| 18:01.14 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: I am trying to install this jackass program... can I msg you or #flood? |
| 18:01.21 | wspnut | ke6isf: and I'm afraid if there is any data left (oh god I hope there is, I did a lot of work since my last backup) doing apt-get remove will delete that |
| 18:01.24 | ke6isf | colde89: You might check apt-cache then. |
| 18:01.31 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: just post the url to this jackass program, and i'll look |
| 18:01.43 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: it's vmware.. |
| 18:01.44 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: please don't msg me, and i'm out of channels for #flood |
| 18:01.55 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: windows in vmware, and jackass.exe ? |
| 18:01.59 | ke6isf | wspnut: Which distro are you running? |
| 18:02.07 | colde89 | ke6isf: ok |
| 18:02.09 | wspnut | ke6isf: sarge |
| 18:02.14 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: hmm which kernel ? |
| 18:02.16 | sparkx | Parallax1, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html says comething about these scripts |
| 18:02.18 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: just trying to install vmware... not jackass.exe |
| 18:02.26 | MrBallZ | moo: I just installed the headers for my kernel , but vmware still cant find them in: /usr/src/linux/include |
| 18:02.29 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: i see, it's easy you want the kernel-headers to your kernel |
| 18:02.30 | ke6isf | wspnut: And you were spooling your mail into MySQL or something? |
| 18:02.34 | krrk | i am having a severe speed problem with apt, no matter what mirror i choose, speed goes down to 1-2kb...cathing a file with wget gives me good results.. any ideas? |
| 18:02.34 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: |
| 18:02.39 | FieldySnuts | @fuck vmware |
| 18:02.40 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: uname -a says what? |
| 18:02.54 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: Linux Twisted 2.6.12-1-686-smp #1 SMP Wed Jul 20 22:42:26 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:02.55 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: you've heard about qemu ? |
| 18:02.55 | wspnut | ke6isf: no... I didn't set anything up, I literally just did "install" and then "remove" about 5 minutes later because I decided to stick with sendmail |
| 18:03.11 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: install linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 18:03.20 | ke6isf | wspnut: Sendmail? Wow, you're a glutton for punishment. =) |
| 18:03.21 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: and vmware will be able to build its modules |
| 18:03.26 | FieldySnuts | ke6isf: indeed |
| 18:03.28 | Parallax1 | sparkx: the defaul is rc2, right ??? |
| 18:03.30 | FieldySnuts | apt: start an mta war |
| 18:03.30 | apt | courier has shitty documentation |
| 18:03.35 | Psycho_Crk | i have found ! |
| 18:03.40 | Psycho_Crk | resolv.conf |
| 18:03.40 | wspnut | ke6isf: not important at the moment... I'm in a real big bind... I need to either get a copy of my database or get mysql back up asap |
| 18:03.49 | sparkx | Parallax1, default is rc3 i think. |
| 18:03.54 | Psycho_Crk | the search was false |
| 18:04.02 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: I did that... ;( I see the .bz2 file now in /use/src... but it's suppose to be installed into /use/src/linux/include |
| 18:04.03 | FieldySnuts | backups, else. You Had It Coming(TM) |
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| 18:04.11 | sparkx | Parallax1, check /etc/inittab |
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| 18:04.18 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: should I install qemu? |
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| 18:05.14 | Parallax1 | its 2 |
| 18:05.14 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: nah, qemu is just something like vmware ,but much better and free software |
| 18:05.17 | Parallax1 | sparkx: its 2 |
| 18:05.24 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: kernel-headers not kernel-source |
| 18:05.34 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: what says dpkg -l linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686-smp ? |
| 18:05.40 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: jesus.. im dumb. |
| 18:05.44 | sparkx | Parallax1, on sid starting without x for me, runlevel is 3 |
| 18:05.45 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: just blind |
| 18:05.47 | Parallax1 | sparkx: I think I do have to name it with an S at the begginning |
| 18:05.48 | ke6isf | wspnut: My guess - don't quote me, no warranty - is to locate your configs and dbs, back them up, remove mysql, and install itagain. |
| 18:05.56 | wspnut | ke6isf: how? |
| 18:06.01 | sparkx | Parallax1, read this link: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 18:06.10 | Parallax1 | sparkx: I have stable Sarge without X |
| 18:06.17 | PhUrl | tcng ? can you reccommend |
| 18:06.22 | Parallax1 | sparkx: I reading it, thanks |
| 18:06.45 | sparkx | Parallax1, it explains about naming of these links, but you should create them with update-rc.d |
| 18:07.53 | Parallax1 | sparkx: how should I use the update-rc.d ?? |
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| 18:08.49 | ke6isf | wspnut: I suspect by the use of 'cp' or 'cpio' or 'tar -zc&c' or such. |
| 18:09.56 | xst | I've earlier got problems with firefox freezing after an upgrade of sid. Now I have located the problems to sites containing flash-animations: Removing the shockwave plugin fixes the problem, but ofcause disables the flash-compatibility. Has anyone experienced similar problems and know how to fix them? |
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| 18:10.05 | ke6isf | FieldySnuts: Back at you sir. |
| 18:10.10 | sparkx | Parallax1, man update-rc.d |
| 18:10.16 | wspnut | ke6isf: I don't know where mysql stores the data for its database |
| 18:10.30 | FieldySnuts | ~lart "admins" who don't keep backups and don't know how to restore databases |
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| 18:10.33 | ke6isf | wspnut: Check in /var somewhere. |
| 18:10.33 | sparkx | Parallax1, the manpage contains also some examples |
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| 18:11.14 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: Installed that... now it sais.. The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686-smp" is an existing directory, but it does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected. |
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| 18:11.20 | bobgray | anyone got mplayer working with sid? |
| 18:11.35 | JoshH | lots of people |
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| 18:12.05 | FieldySnuts | nice. 14C temperature drop on my main hard drive, by actually putting it in the cage with the fan... |
| 18:12.10 | goccia | xst: i use the flash killer extension : it is called flashclock |
| 18:12.15 | FieldySnuts | embarassing, thought i did that last time |
| 18:12.30 | xst | goccia: What's that? Another flashplayer? |
| 18:12.30 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: you have ls -la /usr/src/linux ? |
| 18:12.31 | goccia | s/flashclock/flashblock/ |
| 18:12.31 | bobgray | im trying to install from the marillat repo, but there's loads of dependancies missing |
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| 18:12.46 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: symlinked to that linux-headers-whatever-some-number-smp? |
| 18:12.46 | JoshH | does flashblock work with 1.0.6? |
| 18:12.54 | FieldySnuts | i would think so |
| 18:12.55 | tarzeau | bobgray: what you got? sid? |
| 18:13.01 | goccia | xst: nope : you get a button to enable flash if you need it |
| 18:13.13 | xst | ah ok |
| 18:13.15 | tarzeau | bobgray: runs for me, http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer_1.0cvs_i386.deb |
| 18:13.17 | TwistedEmotions | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 15 2005-05-19 00:12 /usr/src/linux -> linux-2.6.11.10 (wrong one) |
| 18:13.21 | JoshH | i used to use it with 0.9, but then when 1.0 came out it didnt work, and i didnt see an updated version for a while |
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| 18:13.32 | xst | But then, I still need a way of getting flash to work with firefox 1.0.6 |
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| 18:13.46 | JoshH | flashplayerplugin-nonfree |
| 18:13.51 | MDC | i'm trying to set up a vlan in my local network between two (and more) debian machines but they i cannot connect to the other one... i've successfully set up the vlan with ip etc... so why can i not ping? |
| 18:13.52 | goccia | xst: it works |
| 18:14.08 | ValheruLord | how can i install a ttf to system generally?? |
| 18:14.09 | bobgray | tarzeau: ya, sid |
| 18:14.26 | tarzeau | bobgray: mind trying my package? |
| 18:14.34 | xst | goccia: firefox freezes on my system when I enter a flash-site and the shockwave flashplayer plugin is installed. :-( |
| 18:14.36 | tarzeau | ValheruLord: sure, put it to /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 18:14.38 | kupson | xst, what soundcart do you have ? I have had similar problems with card capable to play only one stream at time. |
| 18:14.49 | JoshH | ValheruLord: install, run ttmkfdir, make sure its in your fontpath in XF86config/xorg.conf |
| 18:14.54 | tarzeau | ValheruLord: for GNUstep you'll want to use update-nfonts from mknfonts.tool |
| 18:15.05 | MrBallZ | im trying to compile vmware, but this appears : What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 18:15.05 | MrBallZ | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] , what is the correct path ???? |
| 18:15.08 | tarzeau | JoshH: isn't that way complicated? |
| 18:15.11 | xst | kupson: It was no problem until the upgrade. But I have an Audiophle 4690 |
| 18:15.15 | xst | Or 9640 |
| 18:15.16 | bobgray | tarzeau: you build that yourself? |
| 18:15.17 | JoshH | ive never thought so |
| 18:15.19 | xst | Or something like that |
| 18:15.20 | tarzeau | JoshH: compared to just putting it into /usr/share/fonts ? |
| 18:15.23 | tarzeau | bobgray: yes |
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| 18:15.33 | goccia | xst: i'm running firefox1.0.6 from sid on sarge and i don't have any problems |
| 18:15.36 | JoshH | ive never done it that way *shrug* |
| 18:15.44 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: so now I ran the command ln /usr/src/linux linux-2.6.12.1... is that right? |
| 18:15.47 | xst | goccia: Strange. |
| 18:15.53 | RogueDopple | yes he is strange |
| 18:15.54 | bobgray | ah |
| 18:15.54 | xst | How do I debug on this then? |
| 18:15.55 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: with ln -s, but yours should be fine as well |
| 18:15.56 | RogueDopple | he he |
| 18:16.01 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: then run the vmware installer again ;) |
| 18:16.03 | bobgray | tarzeau: downloading now |
| 18:16.10 | ValheruLord | just putting in /usr/share/fonts enough for example to use with gtk or openoffice.org ?? |
| 18:16.23 | tarzeau | ValheruLord: yes |
| 18:16.30 | xst | Konqueror also have the freeze problem with flash-sites so I guess it's something generic |
| 18:16.31 | JoshH | tarzeau: is that a debian specific thing? |
| 18:16.32 | tarzeau | ValheruLord: olum sen varadero degilmisin? |
| 18:16.33 | Parallax1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.35 | tarzeau | JoshH: yes |
| 18:16.40 | JoshH | cool, i didnt know about it. :) |
| 18:16.51 | JoshH | ive always done it manually |
| 18:17.00 | ValheruLord | tarzeau, hiç bi alaka yok naptýn olm |
| 18:17.02 | tarzeau | JoshH: i used to, as well |
| 18:17.03 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: ln -s /usr/src/linux linux-2.6.12.1 or ln -s /usr/src/linux linux-2.6.12.1.686-smp? |
| 18:17.16 | reilithion | oy. I'm having trouble getting my wireless network card to work. The madwifi driver should be installed correctly, but ifup ath0 fails to bring it online. |
| 18:17.22 | wspnut | exit |
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| 18:17.30 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: always the existing one first, cd /usr/src ; ln -s linux-2.6.12.1.686-smp linux |
| 18:17.52 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: do you know "mc"? |
| 18:18.08 | kupson | xst, what happens if you close all other sound related software and enter the flash website ? |
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| 18:18.53 | xst | kupson: No other sound apps are running |
| 18:19.06 | bobgray | reilithion: you have right channel essid? |
| 18:19.22 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: no.. what is that? thanks by the way... ;) Works now. |
| 18:19.22 | MrBallZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.28 | kupson | xst, even mixer ? |
| 18:19.31 | reilithion | A windows lappy calls the network "default". Not sure how to find the channel or the enc key |
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| 18:19.55 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: you're welcome. mc is really great, apt-get install mc; mc , try it |
| 18:19.56 | bobgray | you going ad-hoc or infrastructure? |
| 18:20.04 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: remember norton commander? |
| 18:20.12 | xst | kupson: Hmm, I can try checking it out |
| 18:20.13 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: in /usr/include |
| 18:20.25 | reilithion | bobgray: I have no clue. My guess is ad-hoc, but how can I find out for sure? |
| 18:20.36 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: Ahhhh... |
| 18:22.08 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: I use gentoo.. is this better? |
| 18:22.08 | bobgray | do you have a wireless access point? or are you just connecting 2 machines? |
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| 18:22.08 | MrBallZ | tarzeau: i put that in the compilation of vmware but it tells me that it might not contain the headers for my running kernel ... |
| 18:22.08 | j0xter | can I copy the kernel config from an older kernel source dir before running 'make menuconfig', without breaking anything? if so, what is the file called? Is it a bad idea? |
| 18:22.08 | xst | kupson: Damn, no mixer is running and flash-sites still freeze |
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| 18:22.08 | bobgray | reilithion: i dont know about madwifi, but what does iwconfig say? |
| 18:22.08 | d | http://www.kernel.org/hg/linux-2.6/?cmd=filediff;node=e754884340df94746ef07a18232a4da674dede0e;file=drivers/scsi/sata_promise.c |
| 18:22.08 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: i like mc much better, it works also in console only |
| 18:22.09 | reilithion | bobgray: I'm using a D-Link wireless router. That count as infrastructure? |
| 18:22.09 | d | what does that mean? |
| 18:22.09 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: gentoo is like cumbersome for keyboard control |
| 18:22.09 | bobgray | reilithion: yes |
| 18:22.09 | goccia | xst: i've never installed flash for firefox but mozilla and i keep flash plugins in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 18:22.09 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: uname -a says what? |
| 18:22.09 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: agreed ;) Will try this.. |
| 18:22.09 | kupson | xst, dont know if you have esd installed, but try to run firefox with that command: esddsp mozilla-firefox |
| 18:22.09 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: you need not just c headers, you need the ones of your running kernel |
| 18:22.20 | MrBallZ | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 18:22.32 | MrBallZ | yes, and i just apt-get them ... |
| 18:22.32 | xst | kupson: Haven't got that installed. |
| 18:22.43 | d | how do I get a driver in my source tree loaded? |
| 18:22.44 | MrBallZ | should i run again the vmware installer ? |
| 18:22.51 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: try apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 18:23.03 | sparkx | j0xter, the file is ".config" in the dir you were building the old kernel or you may have copied it in /boot/ with a self-explanatory name |
| 18:23.05 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: and then cd /usr/src ; ln -s linux-2.6.12.1.686-smp linux |
| 18:23.13 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: and then run the vmware installer again |
| 18:23.13 | kupson | xst, maybe you are using kde instead ? |
| 18:23.22 | xst | kupson: Yes I do |
| 18:23.25 | tarzeau | d: which driver? what source tree? |
| 18:23.28 | reilithion | bobgray: iwconfig ath0 yields something huge. Should I copy and paste somewhere, or is there something in particular you're looking for? It says "Frequency:5.22 GHz" and "Access Point: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF" |
| 18:23.29 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: hahahah... de ja vu? |
| 18:23.33 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: yeah ;) |
| 18:23.48 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: you know i used to never help people with non-free stuff in here |
| 18:23.50 | ice_1963 | will xfree86 run an ATI video card 64 mg ddr ????? |
| 18:23.56 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: i don't know what happened. |
| 18:24.03 | xst | kupson: How did you solve the problem when you had it? |
| 18:24.08 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: people change, isn't that strange |
| 18:24.09 | d | tarzeau: sata_promise.c /drivers/scsi |
| 18:24.14 | bobgray | reilithion: #flood |
| 18:24.15 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: ;) You fell in move with me |
| 18:24.24 | reilithion | k |
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| 18:24.33 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: I got it for free.. does that count? |
| 18:24.34 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 18:24.50 | j0xter | thanks sparkx |
| 18:25.48 | kupson | xst, buy soundblaster live |
| 18:25.54 | sparkx | j0xter, you can reuse debian standard config as a base, then enabling or disabling things you do not need :) |
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| 18:26.24 | kupson | xst, if kde then try artsdsp mozilla-firefox |
| 18:27.07 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: i don't think it's got anything to do with you |
| 18:27.14 | sparkx | someone here is using inkscape? |
| 18:27.20 | tarzeau | !poll |
| 18:27.20 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 18:27.23 | kupson | xst, I have mean that I've buy SB Live, not sugesstingt that to you of course :) |
| 18:27.30 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: ;) Was kidding.. |
| 18:27.56 | d | so I have 2.6.12, Im looking for a driver, http://www.kernel.org/hg/linux-2.6/?cmd=filediff;node=e754884340df94746ef07a18232a4da674dede0e;file=drivers/scsi/sata_promise.c I found it in my source tree, how do I enable it? |
| 18:28.11 | tarzeau | d: make menuconfig ? |
| 18:28.19 | xst | kupson: Damn, firefox still crashing with "artsdsp mozilla-firefox" |
| 18:28.41 | d | after i make menuconfig, how do I load it? |
| 18:28.46 | d | (the kernel) |
| 18:29.05 | goccia | xst :i don't know this sound issue : i keep the sound system disabled and i use alsa but firefox do play flash site |
| 18:29.19 | tarzeau | d: after you make menuconfig in /usr/src/linux you must finish the text adventure |
| 18:29.27 | tarzeau | d: if you save the princess you get sata_promise.o |
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| 18:29.30 | tarzeau | .ko even |
| 18:29.44 | d | ok |
| 18:30.01 | xst | goccia: The problem is strange cause it all worked fine until I made an upgrade yesterday |
| 18:30.10 | kupson | xst, bad luck, when you start firefox with command: strace -ff mozilla-firefox when it will freeze ? |
| 18:30.32 | kupson | paste me couple of output linen on #flood |
| 18:30.46 | j0xter | sparkx: anywhere I can download just the .config from the latest kernel in the repository? |
| 18:31.02 | tarzeau | are the marillat transcode packages ok enough good? |
| 18:31.05 | MrBallZ | tarzeau: thanks !!! |
| 18:31.32 | goccia | xst: i'm really sorry for you but i insist : debian does a great job i tell you more . i'm running a 2.6.11 kernel also from sid and kde3.4.1 from alioth and nothing is wrong here :) |
| 18:32.15 | goccia | i think getting sid debs is a matter of timing and luck :) |
| 18:32.17 | bobgray | tarzeau: hmmm, that complains about dependancies as well for libdirectfb(i asks for an older version) and slang1(which is superceded by libslang1) |
| 18:32.35 | tarzeau | bobgray: ah that's the transition, seen the /topic ? |
| 18:32.49 | tarzeau | bobgray: i'll build new stuff when the libs and all the rape is over |
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| 18:33.09 | bobgray | new ABI? |
| 18:33.10 | xst | kupson: got the flood paste? |
| 18:33.10 | tarzeau | bobgray: aunt tarzeau says, don't apt-get upgrade daily, when on sid |
| 18:33.17 | tarzeau | bobgray: yeah |
| 18:33.22 | bobgray | ah |
| 18:33.26 | bobgray | cocksocks |
| 18:33.51 | bobgray | tarzeau: you got a source deb, so i can build your package with the new stuff |
| 18:34.04 | tarzeau | bobgray: sure, you'll want to edit debian/control |
| 18:34.16 | kupson | xst, yes |
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| 18:34.18 | tarzeau | bobgray: the debian/ stuff is from upstream mplayer, and looked quite messed up/orphaned |
| 18:34.21 | patito | ds |
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| 18:34.30 | tarzeau | bobgray: i've only fixed the minimums. so it's far from near quality stuff i usually do |
| 18:34.31 | bobgray | sure |
| 18:35.07 | kupson | xst, did you strace with -ff option ? |
| 18:35.19 | xst | kupson: Yes. |
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| 18:35.44 | xst | strace -ff mozilla-firefox |
| 18:35.57 | tarzeau | bobgray: wait, where did you find the package sources, i haven't put them there ... |
| 18:36.23 | tarzeau | bobgray: ahh that was a question, yeah i got the source deb, but i don't remember where. i can put it up for ya on monday or so? |
| 18:36.38 | Randall | So when a kernel package gets installed on x86, it autodetects hardware and builds an initrd with the proper modules? |
| 18:36.52 | bobgray | tarzeau: it's ok, ill try hack my own toget then |
| 18:36.57 | tarzeau | Randall: no |
| 18:37.00 | kupson | xst, sorry, can't help you :( |
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| 18:37.26 | xst | kupson: ok, thanks anyway |
| 18:37.44 | Randall | tazeau: Care to speculate why this chroot'd install isn't loading the right drivers? |
| 18:38.01 | tarzeau | Randall: got no discover? |
| 18:38.12 | Randall | tar: I thought discover came in the base. |
| 18:38.13 | tarzeau | Randall: what hardware is it that's not getting the right drivers loaded? |
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| 18:38.18 | Randall | tar: kbd and nic |
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| 18:38.21 | Randall | (at least) |
| 18:38.25 | tarzeau | Randall: usb? what nic exaclty? |
| 18:38.30 | zaggy | hi |
| 18:38.46 | Randall | tar: yeah, usb and whatever nic the other debian install detects ;) |
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| 18:38.53 | Randall | (same dist, same kernel) |
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| 18:39.06 | tarzeau | Randall: probably some nvidia nforce nic? |
| 18:39.13 | Randall | tar: no, old nic |
| 18:39.14 | tarzeau | Randall: no idea about the kbd |
| 18:39.18 | zaggy | I'm new to linux, and im trying to install xwindows system, but it keeps saying: no screens found on command startx |
| 18:39.20 | tarzeau | then i don't know |
| 18:39.26 | tarzeau | Randall: 3com? try with "noapic" ? |
| 18:39.34 | tarzeau | zaggy: what video card? |
| 18:39.40 | zaggy | gf6600gt |
| 18:39.40 | tarzeau | !no screens found |
| 18:39.41 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 18:39.49 | zaggy | okay |
| 18:39.51 | tarzeau | zaggy: who is the manufacturer? |
| 18:39.59 | Randall | hmm, no discover installed |
| 18:40.01 | zaggy | lemme check |
| 18:40.14 | zaggy | pixelview |
| 18:40.29 | tarzeau | zaggy: never heard of that. mind to dump me a copy of your video rom? |
| 18:40.35 | goccia | xst: said you've done an upgrade :what version of libxinerama1 do you have ? mine is 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 |
| 18:40.39 | tarzeau | zaggy: www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ree-1.3.tar.gz run it as root |
| 18:40.44 | zaggy | okay |
| 18:40.58 | zaggy | im in irssi now in non-root user, ill type it over |
| 18:41.02 | tarzeau | zaggy: using xfree86 or xorg? |
| 18:41.07 | zaggy | xfree86 |
| 18:41.13 | tarzeau | stable, right? |
| 18:41.19 | zaggy | how to check |
| 18:41.35 | goccia | cause thwo packages are needed to install firefox and that's the second one |
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| 18:41.57 | zaggy | I've used a live cd, I've installed the latest kernel |
| 18:42.05 | tarzeau | zaggy: which live cd? |
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| 18:42.13 | zaggy | I just can't find the nvidia drivers on command apt-cache search nvidia |
| 18:42.23 | tarzeau | zaggy: what's your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:42.28 | zaggy | lemme check that |
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| 18:42.33 | tarzeau | zaggy: you know this here is #debian for original debian software |
| 18:42.34 | xst | goccia: Mine is 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 |
| 18:42.38 | xst | The same |
| 18:42.46 | zaggy | well I'm perfectly sure i'm using debian :D |
| 18:42.48 | tarzeau | zaggy: if you have some funky live cd, you won't get support here |
| 18:42.56 | tarzeau | zaggy: what is your live cd called? |
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| 18:43.03 | tarzeau | zaggy: debian doesn't have any official live cds |
| 18:43.12 | zaggy | did I say live cd? I mean net install |
| 18:43.16 | zaggy | *meant, sorry |
| 18:43.20 | tarzeau | zaggy: yes you said live cd. then that's fine |
| 18:43.20 | jolinex | hello |
| 18:43.42 | ice_1963 | lol |
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| 18:44.03 | Parallax1 | whats thefunction of : update-inetd --remove daytime ???????? |
| 18:44.12 | zaggy | how to copy a line in nano? |
| 18:44.25 | bobgray | Parallax1: disable inetd |
| 18:44.26 | bobgray | ? |
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| 18:44.32 | bobgray | s/inetd/daytime/ |
| 18:44.35 | ma3x | hello |
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| 18:44.56 | Parallax1 | ???????????????????????????????????????????? |
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| 18:45.18 | Randall | Parallax1: Fix your kbd and get back to us. |
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| 18:45.38 | miz | Positive process' NICE value should make a program take less resources, right? |
| 18:45.46 | goccia | xst: did you check firefox Cache.Trash ? |
| 18:45.49 | dafen | /var/logs/messages has all the boot messages right? |
| 18:46.02 | xst | goccia: No - what should I check for? |
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| 18:46.11 | bobgray | reilithion: that work? |
| 18:46.12 | goccia | it should be empty |
| 18:46.12 | Randall | Come on, you retarded peecee, enough dma timeouts. |
| 18:46.15 | dafen | but apparently I can't find one error I sawduring boot among /var/logs/messages |
| 18:46.17 | Randall | These things are so fragile. |
| 18:46.18 | s_ward | /var/log/messages |
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| 18:46.42 | rian | MIZ: not necessarily, just wont take as much hhhhhhhhHHHHCPU slots |
| 18:47.12 | rian | MIZ: Usually it means less resources, but it can still wipe out your disk or lock up swap |
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| 18:48.07 | miz | Hmm... I was thinking more into the direction of renicing java_vm process to 20 for some weird reason makes java applets faster and the pc more responsive :\ |
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| 18:48.30 | xst | goccia: ok, I'll look |
| 18:48.32 | s_ward | dafen, try dmesg, there may even be a boot.log |
| 18:48.32 | xst | goccia: It is indeed empty |
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| 18:48.36 | moo | anyone know how to extract the files from an rpm? |
| 18:48.41 | gradetwo | I compiled the kerenl2.6.11,it's run ok, but with a bit problem that while booting it don't show me the informations usually di |
| 18:48.45 | moo | please dont say man rpm ive already looked and i cant find it |
| 18:48.53 | jelly | miz: that's normal. |
| 18:49.05 | gradetwo | I compiled the kerenl2.6.11,it's run ok, but with a bit problem that while booting it don't show me the informations which usually did |
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| 18:49.06 | deadcat | moo: ask #redhat maybe |
| 18:49.08 | jelly | miz: and in that case, it did make them use less cpu. |
| 18:49.09 | tarzeau | moo: sure. try mc? |
| 18:49.12 | mtnman | moo: i think you can do that within mc |
| 18:49.20 | tarzeau | or #fedora or #suse |
| 18:49.21 | deucehaus | i'm trying to install xserver-xorg... how do i find out about the breakage? |
| 18:49.32 | tarzeau | or just read all docs on rpm |
| 18:49.34 | rian | Shouldn't make them faster... unless you're using a client and the client is what is getting faster... |
| 18:49.44 | tarzeau | deucehaus: if you have to ask, don't try installing it |
| 18:49.44 | deadcat | deucehaus: you install it. if it doesnt break, good for you. |
| 18:49.45 | goccia | xst: i would move/remove firefox dot dir and reinstall firefox |
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| 18:49.51 | tarzeau | deadcat: heh ;) |
| 18:49.58 | rian | Definitely PC would be more responsive, though. You maxing out CPU? |
| 18:50.25 | miz | rian; The "client" is firefox |
| 18:50.26 | mtnman | deucehaus: bugs.debian.org |
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| 18:50.51 | deadcat | mtnman: you get free tshirt for volunteering at LWCE? |
| 18:50.55 | miz | Yes, while running any java applet my cpu usage is about 90-100% >.> |
| 18:51.10 | mtnman | deadcat: not in the past. i had to cancel the trip though. |
| 18:51.32 | deadcat | mtnman: ah. something came up? |
| 18:51.33 | miz | Is there a way to "renice" javavm on startup rather than manually then? |
| 18:51.41 | gradetwo | I compiled the kerenl2.6.11,it's run ok, but with a bit problem that while booting it don't show me the informations which usually did |
| 18:51.43 | mtnman | deadcat: yeah |
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| 18:54.09 | Draconicus | What's the best Linux GBA emulator that you know of? |
| 18:54.10 | jelly | where's badger? |
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| 18:54.26 | deadcat | jelly: check /usr/local/bin/ |
| 18:54.53 | Draconicus | I'm looking for an alternative to VBA. :P |
| 18:54.54 | zinx | Draconicus: VBA |
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| 18:55.07 | dafen | the error I saw during boot is not presented in /var/log/messages |
| 18:55.10 | jelly | deadcat: nope, no badgers. zilch. |
| 18:55.11 | Draconicus | Or at least some kind of configuration app for VBA. That file is a bitch, and I need to change the keys. |
| 18:55.19 | Draconicus | Hex keys.. blech. |
| 18:55.22 | dafen | it's some error associated with dir structure |
| 18:55.36 | deadcat | jelly: you're doing something wrong then. |
| 18:55.48 | Draconicus | If not that, how can I find out which key has which hex? It's universal, right? |
| 18:55.49 | zinx | Dcaconicus: read the manual :) |
| 18:56.08 | Draconicus | I skimmed through it... the config file must be edited, I thought.. |
| 18:56.09 | djmz | I am trying to change ipcop from 445 to 441 ... any help? |
| 18:56.32 | deadcat | djmz: 445? 441? |
| 18:56.35 | zinx | Draconicus: or i guess, the config file has that in it |
| 18:56.40 | zinx | Draconicus: so read the default config file |
| 18:56.53 | djmz | i did that before but cant locate the conf file now |
| 18:56.55 | zinx | Draconicus: it tells what the hex codes are for, and how to construct one out of a key |
| 18:56.59 | Draconicus | I have. You don't seem to understand... It requires the hex for each key. |
| 18:57.02 | Draconicus | Um.. |
| 18:57.06 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 18:57.25 | zinx | Draconicus: i do understand |
| 18:57.26 | Draconicus | I'll read more carefully. :| |
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| 18:58.08 | zinx | Draconicus: you'll want libsdl1.2-dev or such, probably.. that's where SDL_keysym.h lives |
| 18:58.21 | Draconicus | Ugh. |
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| 18:58.33 | Draconicus | Why can't those bastards just make a GUI for the Linux version? The GUI is great. |
| 18:58.33 | Karnaugh | can someone help me out with a clue to a decent xf86 terminal , or how to install gnome-terminal without downloading hal the internet |
| 18:58.37 | Karnaugh | *half |
| 18:58.40 | zinx | Draconicus: 'cause no one has |
| 18:58.41 | Draconicus | I've used the Windows version. |
| 18:58.52 | Draconicus | Well, it wouldn't be hard to port... |
| 18:59.03 | d | so I did a 'modeprobe sata_promise' to get my PCI card working, how do I create the device so I can use it? |
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| 18:59.14 | Draconicus | Anyway, I'm going to wander off. I'm going beyond what I know. |
| 18:59.19 | Randall | Draconicus: What toolkit does it use? |
| 18:59.31 | zinx | Draconicus: uh, usually it's more difficult to port a win32 interface than it is to write one from scratch |
| 18:59.32 | Draconicus | Randall: I don't know. I assume it wouldn't be hard to port. |
| 18:59.38 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 18:59.43 | Draconicus | Interesting. Not surprising. |
| 18:59.45 | Randall | Draconicus: So it's not MFC or .net or something? |
| 18:59.59 | Draconicus | Randall. I don't know. |
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| 19:00.03 | s_ward | Karnaugh, /msg dpkg find term -- some to start you off |
| 19:00.05 | gridrunna | sup |
| 19:00.07 | Draconicus | : was intended... |
| 19:00.17 | Randall | Draconicus: But you still think it'll be easy to port? |
| 19:00.22 | Draconicus | No. |
| 19:00.26 | Draconicus | Leave me alone. :P |
| 19:00.30 | Randall | heh |
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| 19:00.33 | Karnaugh | s_ward: I'm interested in gnome-term though, but I use fluxbox :/ |
| 19:00.49 | djmz | Any help on IPCOP? |
| 19:00.51 | multi_io | can anyone completely deciphered the documentation for --added-patches in the make-kpkg manpage? |
| 19:01.06 | djmz | Chenging for its defaulf port number (445)! |
| 19:01.10 | deadcat | djmz: you want to downgrade or what? ask |
| 19:01.24 | deadcat | oh |
| 19:01.29 | multi_io | what is the behaviour when I deon'T supply that option? Will all patches under kernel-patches/ be applied then? |
| 19:01.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you get the message form linux world? |
| 19:01.37 | miz | I guess there is no way to renice a process on startup based on executable name/processname/whatever it may be? |
| 19:01.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you mean spams? |
| 19:01.44 | deadcat | ya. lots. |
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| 19:01.50 | Randall | multi: no, you'd need a different arg to apply all patches (or $PATCH_THE_KERNEL) |
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| 19:02.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: no... I mean computer left me a voicemail on my cellphone.. reminding me about linux world. |
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| 19:02.44 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. no, i use ccsf's dialup phone# (= |
| 19:02.51 | bobgray | reilithion: route print on the windows machine will tell you |
| 19:03.00 | TwistedEmotions | ccsf? |
| 19:03.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: city college of san francisco |
| 19:03.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: why didnt you give them your cell phone number? |
| 19:03.33 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hell no. they might send me junks (= |
| 19:03.55 | s_ward | Karnaugh, I use fluxbox, I have gnome-terminal, download almost anything linked with gnome libs and you're going to get half of gnome |
| 19:04.16 | Karnaugh | s_ward: :( |
| 19:04.24 | s_ward | Karnaugh, if you're limited for HDD space, fair enough |
| 19:04.32 | deadcat | Karnaugh: try eterm or other terminal. you never know. |
| 19:04.40 | multi_io | Randall: so it applies all patches when I set $PATCH_THE_KERNEL to YES? |
| 19:04.46 | d | i got my kernel loaded, i "modprobe" the driver, how do I get the devices to show up? (raid card does in lspci, but drives wont in fdisk -l) |
| 19:04.51 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: haha true... I told then no spam.. so I dont get anything from then |
| 19:04.52 | s_ward | Karnaugh, otherwise, install the lot, if you don't use it, it's not going to eat your memory |
| 19:04.52 | Randall | Alright, there is apparently some magic going on during instsallation that makes a keyboard driver get loaded. |
| 19:04.54 | TwistedEmotions | *thm |
| 19:04.57 | Karnaugh | I guess I'm going to have to install half this stuff anyway |
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| 19:05.14 | Karnaugh | since i want cdrecord (why the hell is that a dependancy :/) |
| 19:05.22 | Karnaugh | probably serves me right for using Sid :P |
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| 19:05.26 | Draconicus | zinx: well, this is no good. The sdl file gives purely numerical three-character values, while the ones in the vba config are alphanumerical... |
| 19:05.26 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: they aint gonna listen. they will be like "this motherfucker is being a smartass, lets get him" |
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| 19:05.38 | zinx | Draconicus: convert from decimal to hex :P |
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| 19:05.43 | Karnaugh | deadcat: I want something which doesnt wet its pants when you try change its font |
| 19:05.45 | kyensial | hi |
| 19:05.47 | Draconicus | Oh. I was kind of wondering. :P |
| 19:05.47 | zinx | Draconicus: and write your own inetrface |
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| 19:06.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: no.. hahah... there was a Box to check if you didnt want spam.. I dont get any ;) |
| 19:06.05 | deadcat | Karnaugh: ah.. what about that xfce terminal? |
| 19:06.05 | astronut | anyone on sid want to try something for me? |
| 19:06.09 | kyensial | i d like to install a mail server for my company, and an easy tool to administrate it |
| 19:06.10 | astronut | does krename start? |
| 19:06.11 | kyensial | any advice ? |
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| 19:06.16 | Draconicus | I'd laugh if I could do that and complained. I don't want to take the time to learn the simple steps to making such. |
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| 19:06.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i think i checked it.. i said dont want any as well. |
| 19:06.36 | Draconicus | It'd be nice to contribute something useful to the Linux community.. maybe later. |
| 19:06.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: maybe they tricked me. |
| 19:06.43 | CommieSmurf | I'm back! |
| 19:06.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahhhah... |
| 19:06.52 | d | i got my kernel loaded, i "modprobe" the driver, how do I get the devices to show up? (raid card does in lspci, but drives wont in fdisk -l) |
| 19:06.57 | Karnaugh | deadcat: suppose that wont hurt to try |
| 19:06.58 | masoft | Are Xeon CPUs 64 Bits ? |
| 19:07.01 | deadcat | CommieSmurf: you're not welcome anymore |
| 19:07.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: 2 days fool! you ready? |
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| 19:07.17 | deadcat | Karnaugh: if it works it might be liter than gnome-term |
| 19:07.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: is the picnic tommorow? |
| 19:07.18 | CommieSmurf | well, i had a question |
| 19:07.19 | Randall | masoft: emt64 or whatevere are |
| 19:07.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hell ya. (= picnic next sat. 14th |
| 19:07.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Awww... |
| 19:07.36 | ice_1963 | can some one tell dpkg to install to get webcollage screensaver to work pl ????? |
| 19:07.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahahah. |
| 19:07.44 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: your going on monday right? |
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| 19:07.51 | p30n | hello |
| 19:08.13 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: monday? we cant get in. can we? |
| 19:08.14 | masoft | Randall, emt64 ??? is your mean AMD64 ? |
| 19:08.35 | reilithion | bobgray: Ok, I think I have the frequency right now. I invoked ifconfig ath0 192.168.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 up and I pinged a bunch of different addresses, but either 100% packet loss or "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 19:08.39 | p30n | i want to make a shell account for a friend so he can setup his mysqldb on it, but how do i grant him the right permissions etc so he can only modify stuff that has to do with mysql ?? |
| 19:08.45 | Randall | masoft: I'm talking about intel's implementation of amd64, which has its own designation by Intel, of course |
| 19:08.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What? |
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| 19:09.01 | TwistedEmotions | Auguest 8-11? |
| 19:09.05 | *** mode/#debian [+l 831] by debhelper |
| 19:09.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: 9-11 |
| 19:09.17 | masoft | Randall, what about Xeon ? are these 64 Bits or 32 ? |
| 19:09.18 | deadcat | check the badge |
| 19:09.27 | Randall | There we go, hotplug gets me a keyboard driver. |
| 19:09.30 | CommieSmurf | anybody know anythin about runnin cedega? |
| 19:09.39 | deadcat | p30n: group maybe, else you just have to take his words |
| 19:09.44 | masoft | CommieSmurf, just ASK your question ! I do |
| 19:09.51 | deadcat | masoft: (= |
| 19:09.55 | Randall | masoft: Some new ones are 64-bit. |
| 19:10.17 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: how you gonna go on tue? what time? |
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| 19:10.24 | Draconicus | zinx: Is there an easy way to convert binary into hex? |
| 19:10.26 | p30n | deadcat: what u mean group? i trust him somewhat, but how do i grant acces to mysql for him? what commands etc |
| 19:10.33 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I dont know... What time you rolling out? Want to carpool? |
| 19:10.35 | jelly | Draconicus: yes. |
| 19:10.37 | CommieSmurf | how does one mount a cd and run an installer.exe using cedega? |
| 19:10.39 | spoopin | p30n: do a google search for restricted shells |
| 19:10.42 | Randall | Dracon: bc |
| 19:10.49 | CommieSmurf | ??? |
| 19:10.49 | tarzeau | CommieSmurf: mount /cdrom |
| 19:10.51 | deadcat | p30n: chgrp on the files or whatever. |
| 19:10.54 | CommieSmurf | are you kidding? |
| 19:10.59 | tarzeau | CommieSmurf: /cdrom/installer.exe |
| 19:11.05 | Draconicus | Err.. |
| 19:11.06 | Draconicus | Damn.. |
| 19:11.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: sure. carpool save $ |
| 19:11.08 | p30n | deadcat: ok |
| 19:11.11 | Draconicus | I meant decimal into hex. |
| 19:11.16 | Randall | Dracon: bc |
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| 19:11.19 | jelly | Draconicus: no ;-) |
| 19:11.23 | masoft | CommieSmurf, mount /media/cdrom0 && cedega /media/cdrom0/setup |
| 19:11.25 | Draconicus | :( |
| 19:11.25 | spoopin | p30n: you can restrict a user to only a subset of commands |
| 19:11.26 | jelly | Draconicus: by hand? |
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| 19:11.30 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: all good. Ill have to figure out if Akash is really going or not.. |
| 19:11.32 | p30n | deadcat: he told me to superadduser and we could do screen -x i can watch him do it ? |
| 19:11.37 | Draconicus | Basically. |
| 19:11.41 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok |
| 19:11.42 | p30n | spoopin: how do i do that ? |
| 19:11.45 | masoft | CommieSmurf, something like this if your CDrom is in /media/cdrom0 |
| 19:12.02 | Matsuo | Hey everyone, is there a deb package containing apache's apxs thingy for debian sarge? |
| 19:12.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: opens at 10am |
| 19:12.11 | p30n | deadcat: is that to thrust ? |
| 19:12.14 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Whooops. Was suppose to donate blood today.. I fogot ;( |
| 19:12.19 | TwistedEmotions | *forgot.. |
| 19:12.20 | deadcat | p30n: thats what i would do |
| 19:12.20 | TwistedEmotions | whoops. |
| 19:12.23 | spoopin | p30n: don't know. I've never done it myself. I just know it's possible. Read the docs and you can tell me :) |
| 19:12.26 | Randall | Matsuo: Try this: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search apxs |
| 19:12.26 | TwistedEmotions | That Sounds bad.. |
| 19:12.32 | Draconicus | This is the most retarded thing I've ever seen. The vba config file references SDL_keysym.h for the hex values of keyboard inputs, but the file just gives normal decimal values! |
| 19:12.44 | CommieSmurf | that no worky |
| 19:12.48 | p30n | deadcat: ok, so that somewhat secure ? |
| 19:12.55 | jelly | Draconicus: no easy way. divide by 16 and write down the (i dont know the English word for) ... restitute? |
| 19:13.00 | gridrunna | www.subterrain.net/~jbl/listen.pls |
| 19:13.00 | p30n | spoopin: maybe, thanks for the tip |
| 19:13.02 | Matsuo | What is apt-file? |
| 19:13.05 | gridrunna | music to haxor debian by |
| 19:13.06 | gridrunna | :-) |
| 19:13.07 | deadcat | p30n: ya. if he starts to type anything you dont know. tell him or d/c the connection |
| 19:13.10 | spoopin | Randall: apt-file is awesome. |
| 19:13.15 | Draconicus | jelly: result? |
| 19:13.17 | masoft | CommieSmurf, it will works if you do right ! if you need a tool for Cedega, use Point2Play |
| 19:13.18 | spoopin | p30n: no prob |
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| 19:13.23 | tabris|away | jelly: remainder? |
| 19:13.34 | jelly | tabris|away: yup, that one. ;-) |
| 19:13.36 | p30n | deadcat: sure thing, thanks man |
| 19:13.40 | Draconicus | Ah. |
| 19:13.43 | Randall | Matsuo: apt-cache for files |
| 19:13.48 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a network monitoring tool with gui, a simple but still with gui |
| 19:13.49 | tabris|away | jelly: there's the quotient, and remainder. you can use modulus to find the remainder. |
| 19:13.55 | CommieSmurf | i mounted the cd |
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| 19:14.01 | masoft | outlaw84, something like ethereal ?! :D |
| 19:14.02 | CommieSmurf | but how do i tell cedega to use it? |
| 19:14.05 | jelly | Draconicus: loop until the q. is 0. |
| 19:14.16 | spoopin | outlaw84: look at nagios |
| 19:14.19 | Draconicus | jelly: what good will that do me? Hex is alphanumerical............... |
| 19:14.21 | Draconicus | GYAH |
| 19:14.25 | Draconicus | To hell with this! |
| 19:14.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you think we can get there in 1 hr? |
| 19:14.30 | masoft | CommieSmurf, go to your Terminal, then write this : cedega filename.exe |
| 19:14.36 | jelly | Draconicus: A = 10, B = 11 ... F = 15. |
| 19:14.38 | outlaw84 | masoft: ethereal I allready use for wardriving :) |
| 19:14.39 | Draconicus | I just wanted to play a fucking game! |
| 19:14.51 | p30n | question: is there an easy way to isntall .rpm packages in debian ? |
| 19:14.54 | jelly | Draconicus: pray tell, is that an Infocom game? ;-) |
| 19:14.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: it's tuesday... SF... 8am... = traffic |
| 19:15.00 | tarzeau | p30n: sure, rpm -i the.rpm |
| 19:15.00 | deadcat | p30n: alien |
| 19:15.00 | masoft | outlaw84, what kind of Network monitor do you need ? |
| 19:15.03 | Draconicus | No. It's VISUAL BOY ADVANCED |
| 19:15.11 | tarzeau | p30n: but really you don't want to. ever, not even alienized packages |
| 19:15.15 | p30n | deadcat: alien ?` |
| 19:15.20 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. |
| 19:15.21 | tarzeau | p30n: what software do you need, that's not available as deb? |
| 19:15.23 | masoft | outlaw84, SNMP Client ?! |
| 19:15.24 | Draconicus | You know, that gameboy emulator that somebody ported to Linux but never threw in a speck of GUI for? |
| 19:15.25 | outlaw84 | masoft: trasferspeed basically |
| 19:15.29 | deadcat | p30n: apt-get it. |
| 19:15.30 | p30n | tarzeau: http://www.xdobry.de/mysqltcl/ |
| 19:15.33 | tarzeau | p30n: alien can convert rpm/deb but the quality sucks |
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| 19:15.37 | Draconicus | Aside from the visual output, of course. |
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| 19:15.44 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: but we get off right after we exit the bridge though. |
| 19:15.45 | p30n | apt-get only gets the older version which will not do |
| 19:15.46 | tarzeau | p30n: can't you make a debian package yourself? or is that without source? |
| 19:15.47 | CommieSmurf | gar |
| 19:15.47 | amphi | Draconicus: iptraf is a handy ncurses network monitor FWIW |
| 19:15.58 | Draconicus | ....what/ |
| 19:15.58 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: we should leave at like 8:30 if we want to be there by 10... plus we need to park and shit.. |
| 19:16.00 | Draconicus | ?* |
| 19:16.05 | p30n | tarzeau: there is a source but im having problems with it |
| 19:16.07 | tarzeau | p30n: shouldn't be too hard to upgrade the package then |
| 19:16.11 | Draconicus | What does that have to do with ANYTHING, amphi? |
| 19:16.12 | tarzeau | p30n: which problems? |
| 19:16.15 | CommieSmurf | cedega can't find the file even though i mounted the cdrom and i know the file is there |
| 19:16.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: oakland tunnel is traffic and so is bridge.. |
| 19:16.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. parking was hell this year at mac world. )= |
| 19:16.23 | masoft | outlaw84, what do you think about "System Monitor" applet of Gnome ? |
| 19:16.25 | outlaw84 | masoft: something that says my curent upload/download speed |
| 19:16.29 | p30n | tarzeau: i cant even get it ./configure´d |
| 19:16.34 | tarzeau | p30n: why not? |
| 19:16.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: we need to invest i a teleporter |
| 19:16.37 | p30n | i may be messing up |
| 19:16.37 | outlaw84 | masoft: I am using KDE :) |
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| 19:16.42 | p30n | but im stuck on it |
| 19:16.43 | tarzeau | p30n: you probably miss some -dev package |
| 19:16.50 | tarzeau | p30n: what does it not find? |
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| 19:16.53 | UnKnowN_ | Can I get help with installing java? |
| 19:16.55 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: dude... we just need to kill the guy in charge of parking. |
| 19:16.55 | jelly | Draconicus: seems like you have to be advanced, but in your math skills. Not really hard. |
| 19:17.01 | p30n | tarzeau: 2 sec |
| 19:17.02 | CommieSmurf | okay |
| 19:17.03 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahahah |
| 19:17.03 | CommieSmurf | it found it |
| 19:17.03 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: make-jpkg ? |
| 19:17.13 | spoopin | !tell UnKnowN_ about java |
| 19:17.15 | Draconicus | jelly: It's a matter of effort. |
| 19:17.18 | masoft | outlaw84, Gnome 2.8 has 2 applet for showing transfer and receive of your network card or PPP or ... |
| 19:17.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: it's cheaper... plus I hear teleporting causes cancer.. |
| 19:17.30 | deadcat | (= |
| 19:17.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: mostly if your smoking while you do it. |
| 19:17.36 | CommieSmurf | but now it says, Xlib:no connection to ":O.O" refused by server, then it says no protocol specified |
| 19:17.36 | masoft | outlaw84, I don't know about KDE ! |
| 19:17.41 | UnKnowN_ | I've had problems even with using make-jpkg |
| 19:17.47 | Draconicus | I wish I had right to complain, but I really don't. Open source and all. Of course the files aren't going to work together naturally. |
| 19:17.51 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ i've got a package there - no problems |
| 19:18.02 | p30n | /home/p30n/mysqltcl-3.01# ./configure |
| 19:18.03 | p30n | checking for correct TEA configuration... ok |
| 19:18.03 | p30n | checking for Tcl configuration... configure: WARNING: "Cannot find Tcl configuration definitions" |
| 19:18.06 | Matsuo | Is there ever a plan in the future to compile debian's dpkg binaries on the target computer, allowing the user to place in a few command line switches to modify the compile? |
| 19:18.08 | p30n | tarzeau |
| 19:18.14 | Draconicus | It really pisses me off that whoever ported VBA never bothered to make a practical way to configure the keys, though. |
| 19:18.16 | jelly | Draconicus: everything is. |
| 19:18.23 | UnKnowN_ | pm tarzeas |
| 19:18.25 | tarzeau | p30n: i've really got no idea, but try apt-cache search tcl dev |
| 19:18.39 | UnKnowN_ | tarzeau |
| 19:18.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: going to get dressed... akash just hit me up.. |
| 19:18.48 | deadcat | k |
| 19:18.51 | masoft | CommieSmurf, try to run as ROOT ? |
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| 19:18.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: said were going to Tahoe.. |
| 19:18.54 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: no pms please. download the http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb dpkg -i it, done |
| 19:18.58 | deadcat | hehe |
| 19:18.59 | jelly | Draconicus: but don't you have a bloody computer nearby to convert those keys to hex automatically? |
| 19:19.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: god i hate that kid., |
| 19:19.03 | Karnaugh | agh, xfce-terminal is a bit rubbish |
| 19:19.10 | CommieSmurf | anyone know why when i run cedega it says Xlib:connection to ":o.O" refused by server |
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| 19:19.14 | UnKnowN_ | k ty |
| 19:19.17 | Karnaugh | or i need to find some better fixed-width fonts or something |
| 19:19.18 | Draconicus | jelly: There's a way to do that?! GYAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 19:19.19 | UnKnowN_ | I'll see if that works |
| 19:19.20 | CommieSmurf | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 19:19.24 | UnKnowN_ | I remember doing that already |
| 19:19.28 | p30n | tarzeau: already had teh m=/ |
| 19:19.30 | Draconicus | jelly: I thought there was. I could stab zinx right now. |
| 19:19.32 | masoft | outlaw84, find into the "Keramic" module if I didn't tell the name wrong |
| 19:19.32 | p30n | them |
| 19:19.34 | jelly | Draconicus: well, write a script to do that anyway. ;-) |
| 19:19.42 | tarzeau | p30n: did you read INSTALL ? |
| 19:19.44 | Draconicus | jelly: I will not write ANYTHING. |
| 19:19.46 | UnKnowN_ | Does it matter if Im using Knoppix HD installeds |
| 19:19.56 | d | i got my kernel loaded, i "modprobe" the driver, how do I get the devices to show up? (raid card does in lspci, but drives wont in fdisk -l) and all the drivers needed are in lsmod |
| 19:20.05 | spoopin | CommieSmurf: if you're in X as another user and trying to run the app as root (or another user) you'll get that message |
| 19:20.16 | CommieSmurf | so i can't be root? |
| 19:20.16 | Draconicus | I know it seems wrong to expect things to just work in an open source OS, but by this point I would have expected that somebody would have made a utility for this. |
| 19:20.17 | masoft | outlaw84, oh, excuse me !!! look for a Karamba ! |
| 19:20.18 | d | dmesg: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 |
| 19:20.18 | d | ISOFS: changing to secondary root |
| 19:20.32 | CommieSmurf | okay, so i can't be root |
| 19:20.34 | tarzeau | d: what names are the drives supposed to have? |
| 19:20.35 | p30n | tarzeau: there was none =) |
| 19:20.37 | p30n | =( |
| 19:20.44 | spoopin | CommieSmurf: what are you trying to run? |
| 19:20.48 | tarzeau | p30n: either check the debian packages debian/rules file |
| 19:20.51 | jelly | Draconicus: that's what I do when i can't be bothered to enter a long stream of data somewhere. Usually takes longer than I would have taken to input that by hand... |
| 19:20.53 | masoft | outlaw84, follow http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=38&PHPSESSID=0ec94418dad0e4568701dfbdd86caf9d |
| 19:20.54 | tarzeau | p30n: or contact the author |
| 19:20.57 | CommieSmurf | i'm trying to run a world of warcraft install |
| 19:21.02 | CommieSmurf | with cedega |
| 19:21.10 | Draconicus | jelly: I don't know how to. |
| 19:21.13 | UnKnowN_ | Why when I update Knoppix with apt-get does it fail to startup? |
| 19:21.16 | tarzeau | CommieSmurf: probably easier if you run that on windows? |
| 19:21.17 | masoft | outlaw84, ((may)) can find a applet for monitoring network ! |
| 19:21.22 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: because it sucks, #knoppix |
| 19:21.23 | ajpr | hmm how long does it take to install X11? |
| 19:21.29 | CommieSmurf | windows has crashed one to many times |
| 19:21.29 | d | tarzeau: im honestly not sure, there are two raid arrays connected to the PCI raid card that does show up in lspci |
| 19:21.39 | spoopin | CommieSmurf: Oh. Don't know anything about that... |
| 19:21.41 | Randall | unknown: What did #knoppix suggest? |
| 19:21.48 | tarzeau | CommieSmurf: it won't be better with cedega, will it? |
| 19:21.49 | UnKnowN_ | tarzeau: Can you recommend a better distribution |
| 19:21.57 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: 'course livecd.gnustep.org |
| 19:22.07 | UnKnowN_ | tarzeau: What do you use ;) |
| 19:22.10 | jelly | Draconicus: well, then, how many keys does that thing have? Not more than 20? |
| 19:22.15 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: i use Debian and OPENSTEP |
| 19:22.20 | astronut | can someone on sid see if krename runs for them? |
| 19:22.24 | Draconicus | jelly: What thing/ |
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| 19:22.27 | Draconicus | ?* |
| 19:22.28 | masoft | CommieSmurf, you can't find your answer until don't select one person to speak with and just write ... |
| 19:22.31 | deadcat | i've been reading the systemimager doc, i am having a hard time understanding what would happen to the data in /home if you update/upgrade on the golden client, the rest of the clients loose /home? |
| 19:22.39 | p30n | tarzeau: u know how i grant a shelluser rights to install this source package ? |
| 19:22.42 | tarzeau | astronut: did you check bugs.debian.org/krename yet? |
| 19:22.50 | UnKnowN_ | OPENSTEP large server friendly? |
| 19:22.52 | astronut | tarzeau: yes, there was none, i submitted one |
| 19:22.54 | tarzeau | p30n: you don't have to, he already can -- into his home |
| 19:22.57 | astronut | but i'm trying to make sure it's not just me |
| 19:22.57 | outlaw84 | masoft: karamba seamed to be somekind of theme tool |
| 19:23.00 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: what's large server? |
| 19:23.05 | p30n | tarzeau: ok |
| 19:23.11 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: my alpha station 1000a is very large |
| 19:23.14 | jelly | Draconicus: you need to convert some numbers to hex, don't you? And those numbers correspond to some keys? |
| 19:23.16 | tarzeau | almost 1m3 |
| 19:23.23 | UnKnowN_ | Well Im planning on using IRCd services for 1000+ people |
| 19:23.25 | tarzeau | and there is an OPENSTEP box right next to it |
| 19:23.30 | p30n | tarzeau: u know how i grant him access to mysql that is alreay installed via apt-get |
| 19:23.31 | tarzeau | they never bite each other |
| 19:23.38 | Draconicus | jelly: Those numbers correspond to every key on the goddamned keyboard, and its shift counterpart. |
| 19:23.38 | CommieSmurf | well it runs it, but then nothin happens... |
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| 19:23.44 | tarzeau | p30n: what about sudo? www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ sudoers ? |
| 19:23.46 | Draconicus | jelly: 322. |
| 19:23.49 | d | tarzeau: im honestly not sure, there are two raid arrays connected to the PCI raid card that does show up in lspci |
| 19:23.55 | tarzeau | d: i don't know, really |
| 19:24.07 | Draconicus | Look, nevermind. I'll just live with some keys that are already set and rearrange them. They're pretty close to what I wanted, anyway. |
| 19:24.07 | UnKnowN_ | Whats a good distribution for ircd? |
| 19:24.08 | jelly | Draconicus: but do you need them all? |
| 19:24.10 | tarzeau | astronut: cool, with or without patch? |
| 19:24.10 | p30n | tarzeau: what is that ? |
| 19:24.21 | Randall | unknown: debian, of course |
| 19:24.21 | astronut | tarzeau: without...but i just found out why it didn't work |
| 19:24.22 | masoft | outlaw84, yes, it is ! but you can find something interesting into it ! from Whether to Music player ! so may you can find a network applet, too ! (as I know CPU and memory usage applet is available for Karamba) |
| 19:24.24 | astronut | famd was locked up |
| 19:24.28 | astronut | and taking 99 cpu |
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| 19:24.29 | tarzeau | p30n: sudo is a workaround for a bug in unix/bsd/linux design |
| 19:24.31 | outlaw84 | masoft: oh I was wrong... I'll check into it more |
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| 19:24.32 | Draconicus | jelly: No, I only need to find out one, actually. |
| 19:24.33 | astronut | when i killed it, it started working |
| 19:24.48 | Draconicus | I just want the hex for the right shift key... |
| 19:24.54 | tarzeau | astronut: funny. |
| 19:24.56 | astronut | famd locks up a lot for me...weird |
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| 19:25.03 | astronut | i noticed cpu was at 100%, checked why |
| 19:25.05 | p30n | tarzeau: but what is it good for ? |
| 19:25.07 | masoft | outlaw84, but know It will use Memory very much ;) (Like KDE :P ) |
| 19:25.07 | tarzeau | astronut: you'll want to cleanup the bugmess with that explanation? |
| 19:25.09 | UnKnowN_ | What distribution of debian or just plane debian? |
| 19:25.13 | d | oh, how do I delete the old kernel version from my computer (they keep showing up in grub) |
| 19:25.14 | vircuser | im interested in running a basic debian installation under windows via some kind of virtual os loader. is this possible? |
| 19:25.17 | outlaw84 | masoft: I got 1024 |
| 19:25.18 | astronut | tarzeau: yes, once i get an email with a # |
| 19:25.19 | tarzeau | p30n: to make unix/bsd/linux suck a little less? but still suck? |
| 19:25.36 | p30n | tarzeau: ah yea :p |
| 19:25.37 | tarzeau | d: edit grub conf file, or apt-get --purge remove old kernel package |
| 19:25.43 | jelly | Draconicus: you want showkey |
| 19:25.43 | outlaw84 | masoft: http://www.student.lu.se/~ihpv03mba/minne.png <-- while running :) |
| 19:25.48 | Draconicus | Plane debian? They're using this distro in jet software now? |
| 19:25.57 | braniff | what all do i need to update when upgrading a kernel on debian ?? |
| 19:26.01 | Draconicus | jelly: That's a command/script/thing? |
| 19:26.14 | braniff | with apt |
| 19:26.20 | jelly | Draconicus: a command for console, you press key, it displays a keycode |
| 19:26.20 | concept10 | How do I enable identd server in Xchat? |
| 19:26.24 | tarzeau | braniff: apt-get install the-kernel, that's it |
| 19:26.44 | tarzeau | ajpr: why? |
| 19:26.49 | pepsi | ew |
| 19:26.53 | ajpr | it ran out of space installing x11 |
| 19:26.54 | pepsi | that looks like windows |
| 19:26.55 | pepsi | :P |
| 19:27.13 | tarzeau | pepsi: kde with plastik theme, looks much better than the old/default theme |
| 19:27.15 | ajpr | and now im totally lost |
| 19:27.16 | amphi | ajpr: X? or kde/gnome? |
| 19:27.20 | Draconicus | jelly: I can't get into a console, and a terminal won't work. Would xterm? |
| 19:27.20 | tarzeau | pepsi: but exactly what i thought ;) |
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| 19:27.23 | spoopin | ajpr: you're gonna need a bigger boat |
| 19:27.27 | ajpr | i selected X11 |
| 19:27.31 | tarzeau | ajpr: at least you didn't lose data. |
| 19:27.36 | Draconicus | Nope. |
| 19:27.37 | Randall | vircuser: Maybe colinux would work best for you. |
| 19:27.38 | tarzeau | ajpr: wait you selected gui from task-sel ? |
| 19:27.40 | Wagner_Defacer_L | #kurumin |
| 19:27.47 | ajpr | nope |
| 19:27.47 | jelly | Draconicus: anyway have a PC, right? Right-shift is 0x3e |
| 19:27.48 | pepsi | tarzeau, are there boring themes for kde? |
| 19:27.49 | tarzeau | s,gui,workstation, |
| 19:27.51 | ajpr | i used aptitude |
| 19:27.55 | ajpr | and selected x11 |
| 19:27.55 | tarzeau | pepsi: no idea, i don't like kde |
| 19:27.59 | Draconicus | jelly: Thanks. -.- |
| 19:28.02 | amphi | Draconicus: showkey won't work in an xterm AFAIK |
| 19:28.12 | masoft | outlaw84, so it's ok :P I just have 512 :( |
| 19:28.16 | Draconicus | Nope. Just a console, which I can't get to because of a fucktarded xkb error |
| 19:28.20 | tarzeau | Randall: colinux never worked for me when i tried it |
| 19:28.20 | pepsi | tarzeau, i like boring :) like clearlooks |
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| 19:28.23 | jelly | Draconicus: xkeycaps is nice and shows keycodes too. |
| 19:28.27 | SimonRaven | showkey is console only. you want xev for x |
| 19:28.30 | Randall | tarzeau: I'm sorry |
| 19:28.31 | tarzeau | pepsi: i like 80s, www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/gnustep.jpg |
| 19:28.34 | Wagner_Defacer_L | #kurumin |
| 19:28.41 | SimonRaven | or xkeycaps |
| 19:28.53 | SimonRaven | Wagner_Defacer_L: /join channel |
| 19:29.06 | Draconicus | jelly: to make sure this is correct, is backspace 0008? That's what's listed in the file. |
| 19:29.14 | pepsi | gnustep eh |
| 19:29.15 | outlaw84 | masoft: I used to have 512... I just bought another 512 :) It was before when I was gaming in windowzZz |
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| 19:29.57 | jelly | Draconicus: No, it's not. <shrug> |
| 19:30.12 | Draconicus | On a 104 keyboard. 101's might be different. Are you on a 101 keyboard, jelly? |
| 19:30.16 | amphi | Draconicus: 0x0e here |
| 19:30.26 | ice_1963 | kde is good but i thak gnome is better :0) |
| 19:30.31 | ajpr | is there a help channel?# |
| 19:30.35 | Draconicus | Damn... what's wrong with this thing? |
| 19:30.40 | SimonRaven | ajpr: for what? |
| 19:30.45 | tarzeau | pepsi: yeah |
| 19:30.50 | outlaw84 | masoft: now its kind off nice to have :) I usually use a ramdrive when encoding stuff with ffmpeg.. really boosts the performans |
| 19:30.56 | tarzeau | pepsi: and i prefer cola over pepsi |
| 19:30.56 | ajpr | SimonRaven: for newbies that have messed up installing debian |
| 19:30.57 | jelly | Draconicus: they're the same, apart from those windows keys. 0x08 is ASCII CTRL-H, which Backspace is usually mapped to. |
| 19:31.05 | SimonRaven | ajpr: here |
| 19:31.18 | ajpr | heh its quite complicated now |
| 19:31.26 | Draconicus | jelly: What's 'a' for you? |
| 19:31.27 | jelly | Draconicus: if the program wants ASCII, you're fucked, can't have right-shift. |
| 19:31.28 | pepsi | tarzeau, pepsi is cola |
| 19:31.33 | tarzeau | pepsi: no it's different |
| 19:31.35 | ajpr | id probably be kicked for spamming |
| 19:31.35 | pepsi | uhm |
| 19:31.41 | jelly | Draconicus: 0x26 |
| 19:31.54 | Draconicus | In this it's 007a |
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| 19:32.05 | tarzeau | pepsi is more foamy, which i hate |
| 19:32.07 | masoft | outlaw84, I recommend to use Gnome, you can have more applets, lower memory usage, have gdesklets(it's Like Karamba), Programming for it with C :P anyway, KDE is cool, too ! |
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| 19:32.21 | ice_1963 | yap |
| 19:32.30 | outlaw84 | masoft: I tryed gnome aswell |
| 19:32.38 | tarzeau | outlaw84: for developing really check Gorm and GNUstep |
| 19:32.39 | outlaw84 | masoft: I like KDE better |
| 19:32.42 | jelly | Draconicus: I don't know _what_ those numbers are, but they're neither ascii nor keycodes. |
| 19:32.50 | Draconicus | Damn. :( |
| 19:32.54 | d | so I cant apt-get install when Im compiling a kernel? |
| 19:32.55 | UnKnowN_ | Is there a Azureus for debian? |
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| 19:33.10 | jelly | Draconicus: wait. there's two mode for linux keyboarden, lemme try the other one. |
| 19:33.10 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: packages.debian.org will tell or apt-cache search azureus |
| 19:33.10 | Flendor | Hallo. |
| 19:33.15 | Draconicus | jelly: wait, that was z |
| 19:33.17 | Draconicus | Sorry |
| 19:33.28 | tarzeau | d: sure one can |
| 19:33.28 | outlaw84 | tarzeau: I develope with Java using NetBeans IDE and its looks that same in gnome/kde |
| 19:33.29 | UnKnowN_ | first apt-get update right? |
| 19:33.38 | Draconicus | Oh... I actually need several keys. |
| 19:33.39 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: if you didn't already today, yes |
| 19:33.41 | d | eps: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 19:33.41 | d | eps: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 19:33.41 | berzerka | UnKnowN_: Azureus is a java program. Java is platform-independant. |
| 19:33.46 | UnKnowN_ | yea |
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| 19:33.54 | Randall | d: What do you think locked it? |
| 19:33.55 | tarzeau | outlaw84: oh you're from another world. that's fine |
| 19:34.00 | masoft | UnKnowN_, there isn't ! you can make your package ! |
| 19:34.03 | tarzeau | berzerka: bullshit |
| 19:34.03 | d | randall: my kernel :D |
| 19:34.03 | UnKnowN_ | :D |
| 19:34.07 | outlaw84 | tarzeau: lol |
| 19:34.09 | tarzeau | berzerka: java is NOT platform-independant |
| 19:34.09 | ohad | hi, i just got an ibm 306 server. i have rec. only one sata hd with it. It has raid-1 - i've installed my kerne (2.4.31) with aic7xxx=no_reset to find sata hd and be able to setup raid-1 a later point. My question is - after upgrading to sarge from woody, does anyone know or thing that it will be possible to enable the raid-1 on the bios and pop an additional hd as mirror? |
| 19:34.11 | UnKnowN_ | I hate Knoppix now |
| 19:34.12 | Randall | d: errm |
| 19:34.16 | UnKnowN_ | I had to reinstall 10 times |
| 19:34.22 | UnKnowN_ | Reminds me of Windows |
| 19:34.26 | Draconicus | jelly: z comes up as 007a. Think that's ASCII? |
| 19:34.30 | d | randall: atually, I have no idea |
| 19:34.32 | Randall | One boots knoppix from cd. They do not install it. |
| 19:34.35 | berzerka | tarzeau: well at least it is supposed to be and there exists a jre for unix. |
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| 19:34.45 | concept10 | heh |
| 19:34.53 | tarzeau | berzerka: oh please i don't want to hear any one more word. |
| 19:34.55 | Randall | d: are you running dselect, aptitude, or synaptic? |
| 19:34.58 | tarzeau | berzerka: don't fuck my weekend |
| 19:35.12 | berzerka | sorry man. |
| 19:35.23 | d | Randall: no, hey, cna I rm the old config img from /boot? |
| 19:35.24 | concept10 | UnKnowN_, you install knoppix everyday when you turn on your computer? |
| 19:35.32 | ohad | anyone? |
| 19:35.33 | ajpr | i need help! |
| 19:35.36 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 19:35.53 | ice_1963 | so do i |
| 19:36.01 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 19:36.02 | jelly | Draconicus: echo -e '\0x7a' gives z. |
| 19:36.02 | amphi | Draconicus: 0x7a is ascii 'z' |
| 19:36.05 | UnKnowN_ | yea |
| 19:36.08 | UnKnowN_ | Its a pain |
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| 19:36.16 | UnKnowN_ | But at least Im learning what knoppix really is |
| 19:36.22 | UnKnowN_ | A fucking piece of crap |
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| 19:36.28 | Draconicus | Well, at least now we know how to get the keys I want. |
| 19:36.32 | concept10 | omg, !!!!!! WHEW |
| 19:36.39 | outlaw84 | tarzeau: I asume you are C or C++ fanatic? |
| 19:36.51 | Draconicus | jelly: I need d, f, and ' if possible... can you help? |
| 19:36.52 | tarzeau | outlaw84: C and Objective-C. no C++ at all |
| 19:36.53 | ice_1963 | jest install Deb |
| 19:36.56 | masoft | UnKnowN_, you really insert Knoppix everytime you start to work with computer ?!?! :O :O |
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| 19:36.58 | tarzeau | outlaw84: i wouldn't call me fanatic |
| 19:37.03 | jelly | Draconicus: man ascii ;-) |
| 19:37.09 | UnKnowN_ | yea |
| 19:37.12 | JoshH | im an anti-java fanatic |
| 19:37.13 | UnKnowN_ | Im used to it |
| 19:37.15 | UnKnowN_ | I have the time |
| 19:37.16 | Randall | unknown: knoppix is a _very_ handy live cd dist |
| 19:37.20 | UnKnowN_ | yep |
| 19:37.23 | UnKnowN_ | Very handy |
| 19:37.25 | tarzeau | outlaw84: and i like shell/awk too, right language for the right thing |
| 19:37.30 | UnKnowN_ | But hd install is worse :S |
| 19:37.31 | tarzeau | JoshH: hah ;) |
| 19:37.37 | masoft | tarzeau, what's difference between C++ and Objective C ? |
| 19:37.39 | ajpr | ok well i have this problem. I installed the minimal cd thing and it didnt install any gui, so i used aptitude to selected X11 and install it. But it ran out of disk space and i got a segmentation fault |
| 19:37.42 | tarzeau | masoft: A LOT |
| 19:37.46 | tarzeau | masoft: c++ just sucks |
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| 19:37.55 | outlaw84 | tarzeau: Yea I agree... and how do you know that Java is wrong for what I am doing? |
| 19:37.56 | masoft | tarzeau, tell me some of theme ... |
| 19:38.00 | ajpr | and now i dont know what to do |
| 19:38.06 | jelly | Draconicus: ' is 0x27 d is (counting on fingers...) 0x64, f 0x66 ;-) |
| 19:38.10 | Randall | unknown: That's analogous to complaining about windos being a server OS when everyone knows it's just a game loader. |
| 19:38.11 | concept10 | UnKnowN_, just go ahead and install linux onto your harddisk |
| 19:38.13 | masoft | tarzeau, I'm a programmer ! of course it sucks is not my answer ! |
| 19:38.19 | tarzeau | masoft: can i give you an ISBN to read up yourself? |
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| 19:38.24 | tarzeau | masoft: true, but then i'm in the weekend |
| 19:38.27 | UnKnowN_ | Wait what was that other linux |
| 19:38.38 | spoopin | ajpr: how much total disk space do you have for the Debian install? |
| 19:38.39 | Draconicus | jelly: Thanks a lot. I have what I need, now. :) |
| 19:38.44 | UnKnowN_ | distribution you mentioned tarzeau |
| 19:38.48 | Draconicus | Sorry for my ignorance. |
| 19:38.49 | tarzeau | masoft: try google "C++" "objective-c" comparison |
| 19:38.52 | ajpr | about 13 gb |
| 19:38.53 | UnKnowN_ | I think Im going to download that |
| 19:38.53 | masoft | tarzeau, so what are you doing in IRC ? :P |
| 19:38.59 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: livecd.gnustep.org |
| 19:39.03 | ice_1963 | ubuntu |
| 19:39.08 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 19:39.11 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 19:39.13 | spoopin | ajpr: are you partitioning it strangely? |
| 19:39.14 | tarzeau | masoft: wasting time |
| 19:39.14 | ajpr | 444mb swap, 3.3gb for one ext3 and 9 gb for the other ext 3 |
| 19:39.19 | jelly | Draconicus: np |
| 19:39.23 | d | how do I add a module to module-assistant? |
| 19:39.27 | ajpr | i used the auto paritition thing |
| 19:39.37 | ajpr | and it chose those figures |
| 19:39.43 | tarzeau | outlaw84: i don't want to talk about it. i know it |
| 19:39.45 | spoopin | ajpr: and you ran out of disk space? |
| 19:39.45 | jelly | Draconicus: and the most important thing, you learned ASCII ;-) |
| 19:39.48 | ajpr | yeah |
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| 19:39.55 | Draconicus | jelly: hooray. :D |
| 19:39.55 | tarzeau | outlaw84: and you might find out one day. or not. who cares |
| 19:40.06 | ajpr | aptitude told me i ran out of space |
| 19:40.06 | masoft | tarzeau, oh, ok ! but I'm here to teach another what I know and learn what I don't |
| 19:40.09 | shmoo | hello everybody |
| 19:40.18 | spoopin | ajpr: are you getting segfaults when you try to do anything? |
| 19:40.21 | ajpr | like it downloadeed everything fine |
| 19:40.26 | UnKnowN_ | wait and the one you use tarzeau? |
| 19:40.26 | outlaw84 | tarzeau: yea your are right I have had such discutions with C people before |
| 19:40.34 | Wildson | alquem brasileiro aki??? |
| 19:40.41 | ajpr | i dont know what else to do spoopin |
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| 19:40.45 | tarzeau | masoft: www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/language.txt |
| 19:40.52 | s_ward | !br |
| 19:40.52 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:40.54 | shmoo | I have some problems with compiling a xen dom0 kernel |
| 19:40.56 | spoopin | ajpr: can you get to a command prompt? |
| 19:41.00 | ajpr | yes |
| 19:41.07 | ajpr | im logged in as root |
| 19:41.13 | tarzeau | masoft: very short. and some language history, that'll be useful maybe: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/langs.txt |
| 19:41.20 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: i use OPENSTEP |
| 19:41.22 | spoopin | ajpr: join #flood, run df -h and paste the output there. |
| 19:41.26 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: believe me you don't want it |
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| 19:41.32 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: it looks like, www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 19:41.32 | UnKnowN_ | lol |
| 19:41.41 | ajpr | this machine isnt the machine in question |
| 19:41.43 | Adridon | hoppala strg+w is evil >:-) |
| 19:41.45 | UnKnowN_ | I LIKE IT! |
| 19:41.46 | jelly | tarzeau: hey, are GUI parts of MacOSX written in ObjC too? Since it's technically derived from NextSTEP... |
| 19:41.46 | UnKnowN_ | :D |
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| 19:41.59 | Randall | jelly: yes |
| 19:42.02 | UnKnowN_ | Simple yet for power users |
| 19:42.02 | tarzeau | jelly: yes they are, Cocoa is Foundation and AppKit (both objc) |
| 19:42.06 | ajpr | spoopin: not sure how to paste it from one machine to this machine |
| 19:42.07 | flok420 | how dow I type an e with " above it in firefox under kde? |
| 19:42.17 | tarzeau | jelly: yes it's just the next OPENSTEP (same api, same calls, same names) |
| 19:42.21 | spoopin | ajpr: can you get a command prompt on the machine in question? |
| 19:42.28 | tarzeau | jelly: OpenStep spec even |
| 19:42.34 | jim | should be the same way you do it under any x |
| 19:42.34 | ajpr | yes |
| 19:42.45 | spoopin | ajpr: I just want to make sure that it's really out of disk space. |
| 19:42.48 | ajpr | spoopin: ive run the command and it says the drive status |
| 19:42.48 | flok420 | jim: yes, but how? :-) |
| 19:43.01 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: but if you want, here: ftp://ftp.sunwizard.net/pub/MiscOS/NeXT/OpenStep/ |
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| 19:43.05 | ajpr | ok i can type it |
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| 19:43.11 | masoft | tarzeau, so Objective-C is a Higher Level language from C++ ? right ? |
| 19:43.15 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: it's two cds that work for i386,m68k,sparc and hpparisc |
| 19:43.17 | UnKnowN_ | Azureus failed to open |
| 19:43.21 | spoopin | ajpr: does it show a partition out of space? |
| 19:43.25 | tarzeau | masoft: yes |
| 19:43.30 | jim | (but given that kde is a set of clients, they could be affecting the map or creating its own) |
| 19:43.33 | tarzeau | masoft: it's truly object oriented, unlike c++ |
| 19:43.34 | ajpr | spoopin: /dev/hda2 3.4G 3.4G 0 100% / |
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| 19:43.47 | UnKnowN_ | PID of azureus 8220 |
| 19:44.00 | tarzeau | masoft: but really let's not get into language religious wars. fact is the allen-booze study, read it on the livecd.gnustep.org ? |
| 19:44.01 | spoopin | ajpr: what is mounted on the other ext3 partition? |
| 19:44.05 | UnKnowN_ | and java still open |
| 19:44.08 | pippo | a |
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| 19:44.15 | tarzeau | masoft: remember where doom and the worldwideweb.app was developed? |
| 19:44.18 | outlaw84 | tarzeau: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/langs.txt <-- is that text suppose to be taken seriouly? |
| 19:44.25 | ajpr | spoopin: /home |
| 19:44.33 | tarzeau | outlaw84: yes |
| 19:44.39 | spoopin | ajpr: and that's the larger partition? |
| 19:44.47 | ajpr | spoopin: yes |
| 19:44.49 | UnKnowN_ | What the hell is wrong with Azureus :S |
| 19:44.54 | spoopin | ajpr: not a good layout. |
| 19:44.57 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: it's java |
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| 19:45.02 | ajpr | spoopin: the /home is 8.4G |
| 19:45.03 | UnKnowN_ | How long will it take? |
| 19:45.09 | outlaw84 | tarzeau: yea it really show the "Differences and Similarities Between Objective-C, Java, and C++" |
| 19:45.14 | jim | objective-c's object system is javalike... single inheritance, but on the other hand it doesn't have interfaces |
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| 19:45.19 | spoopin | ajpr: you really need to begin again. |
| 19:45.20 | ajpr | spoopin: i used the auto configuration |
| 19:45.24 | tarzeau | jim: java is a bad copy of objective-c |
| 19:45.27 | ajpr | ok |
| 19:45.30 | ajpr | :( |
| 19:45.34 | masoft | tarzeau, I'm not sure about the www :-? |
| 19:45.40 | tarzeau | masoft: on NeXTSTEP |
| 19:45.48 | UnKnowN_ | So is it my Knoppix installation? |
| 19:45.48 | spoopin | ajpr: you can have as few as two partitions, one for swap and the other for / |
| 19:45.50 | outlaw84 | tarzeau: does Objective C have native treading support? |
| 19:45.50 | ajpr | spoopin: what do you recommend |
| 19:45.51 | tarzeau | masoft: using those fantastic api |
| 19:45.53 | chealer | hey tarzeau |
| 19:46.03 | masoft | tarzeau, does Obj-C use Virtual Machine ?!?! |
| 19:46.16 | tarzeau | masoft: no, one can call it so, it has a runtime |
| 19:46.17 | UnKnowN_ | So how will I solve this azureus problem? |
| 19:46.20 | tarzeau | hey chealer |
| 19:46.22 | UnKnowN_ | I need the built in tracker |
| 19:46.25 | tarzeau | outlaw84: find out in #gnustep |
| 19:46.26 | ajpr | spoopin: ok so say 12.5 gb for / and 500mb for swap? |
| 19:46.36 | masoft | tarzeau, so it's a bad work to compare it with Java !!!!!!!! |
| 19:46.45 | tarzeau | masoft: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 19:46.49 | Wildson | alguem brasileiro aki?????????????? |
| 19:46.52 | spoopin | ajpr: that should be fine, as long as your machine is newer than, say five years |
| 19:47.02 | SimonRaven | Wildson: #debian-br |
| 19:47.04 | ajpr | itis |
| 19:47.05 | tarzeau | masoft: java is a hip language. nothing to do with success |
| 19:47.12 | tarzeau | masoft: sun has done very very bad moves |
| 19:47.23 | spoopin | ajpr: yep. then start over with that configuration and you should be fine. |
| 19:47.24 | Wildson | valeu |
| 19:47.29 | UnKnowN_ | So what do I do now? |
| 19:47.36 | masoft | tarzeau, I hate JAVA (I don't want to start a flame war even though) |
| 19:47.36 | tarzeau | masoft: www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/sun/ |
| 19:47.37 | UnKnowN_ | Do I kill those processes and try again? |
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| 19:47.59 | tarzeau | masoft: nobody wants flames nor wars. but since when do you hate java? |
| 19:48.01 | outlaw84 | tarzeau: neither way Java has and C++ hasn't... that fact alone blasts that test |
| 19:48.04 | UnKnowN_ | wait nvm they crashed |
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| 19:48.16 | outlaw84 | *text |
| 19:48.21 | jelly | tarzeau: those pages look somewhat biased |
| 19:48.30 | tarzeau | jelly: they are, probably |
| 19:48.36 | masoft | tarzeau, when I started to programming with ! I think about 2 years ago |
| 19:48.54 | ajpr | spoopin: thanks for the help |
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| 19:49.50 | UnKnowN_ | Um |
| 19:49.54 | chealer | tarzeau: I know you always speak against the apache license compared to the apache software license 1.1. I checked wikipedia about that license and couldn't really find criticism. could you link me to an explanation of why you think the 2.0 license if worst? |
| 19:50.04 | UnKnowN_ | Can someone help me with Azereus or what? |
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| 19:50.16 | jelly | UnKnowN_: what? |
| 19:50.19 | masoft | UnKnowN_, what's wrong ?! |
| 19:50.22 | UnKnowN_ | Azureus wont start |
| 19:50.26 | UnKnowN_ | Installed java |
| 19:50.28 | chealer | tarzeau: s/if worst/is worst |
| 19:50.31 | UnKnowN_ | Installed Azureus |
| 19:50.34 | UnKnowN_ | Started Azureus |
| 19:50.43 | UnKnowN_ | then nothing |
| 19:50.47 | tarzeau | chealer: no i never spoke about apache licenses , maybe you mean greycat? |
| 19:50.59 | tarzeau | chealer: it's just apache2 that i don't like |
| 19:51.03 | spoopin | ajpr: no prob. |
| 19:51.07 | masoft | UnKnowN_, use another client ! |
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| 19:51.09 | UnKnowN_ | I can offer a remote desktop to someone |
| 19:51.15 | tarzeau | chealer: as there's very few people that need the features of it, that it makes sense for them not to use apache 1.3 |
| 19:51.15 | Randall | oh my |
| 19:51.16 | jelly | UnKnowN_: does any other java app work? |
| 19:51.21 | UnKnowN_ | let me check |
| 19:51.29 | UnKnowN_ | It is knoppix |
| 19:51.35 | jelly | UnKnowN_: xnap, maybe? |
| 19:51.42 | jim | mmm, plot thickens |
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| 19:51.57 | UnKnowN_ | Well I neeed something with a build-in tracker |
| 19:51.59 | Randall | CRITICAL |
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| 19:52.05 | outlaw84 | UnKnowN_: type "java -version" in a prompt and if it runs then Java is installed correctly |
| 19:52.23 | reilithion | Does anyone else here use an Atheros 5212 wireless network card to connect to an unsecured wireless network? |
| 19:52.27 | jelly | UnKnowN_: oh well, if everything else fails, we could still tell you gfy, Knoppix is not Debian ;-) |
| 19:52.38 | UnKnowN_ | java version "1.5.0_04" |
| 19:52.38 | UnKnowN_ | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_04-b05) |
| 19:52.38 | UnKnowN_ | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_04-b05, mixed mode) |
| 19:52.40 | spoopin | chealer: find the OpenBSD 3.5 releasse song for a silly representation of the Apache license |
| 19:52.52 | tarzeau | someone remember HotJava, LOL? |
| 19:52.54 | SimonRaven | no need to paste that here |
| 19:52.55 | outlaw84 | UnKnowN_: dont paste stuff.... |
| 19:52.59 | UnKnowN_ | sry |
| 19:53.02 | jelly | tarzeau: the browser? |
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| 19:53.03 | UnKnowN_ | browser locked up |
| 19:53.05 | tarzeau | jelly: yeah |
| 19:53.12 | jim | knoppix -and- flooding? :) |
| 19:53.16 | UnKnowN_ | Java installation must be bad |
| 19:53.17 | chealer | tarzeau: ooooh, I see |
| 19:53.21 | jelly | tarzeau: ugly bastard, Netscape 3 ruled. |
| 19:53.23 | SimonRaven | you blame the browser for something you did? *sigh* |
| 19:53.32 | tarzeau | jelly: yap. well also OmniWeb ruled |
| 19:53.40 | tarzeau | still does, for me |
| 19:53.46 | chealer | spoopin: I'll be sure to do so. OpenBSD's last release song rocked |
| 19:53.49 | jelly | tarzeau: oooh, didn't see that one. |
| 19:53.57 | tarzeau | jelly: still exists for Mac OS X |
| 19:54.03 | UnKnowN_ | Whats the best debian ever? |
| 19:54.06 | tarzeau | jelly: but really the versions on OPENSTEP were cool |
| 19:54.08 | spoopin | chealer: They're pretty good. Better than I'd expected. |
| 19:54.10 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: debian |
| 19:54.10 | Randall | unknown: wtf? |
| 19:54.16 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: the original |
| 19:54.20 | outlaw84 | UnKnowN_: in your azureus folder you have got a starter file called azureus open it |
| 19:54.28 | jelly | UnKnowN_: potato was nice |
| 19:54.32 | UnKnowN_ | lol |
| 19:54.34 | UnKnowN_ | potato? |
| 19:54.36 | UnKnowN_ | wtf was that? |
| 19:54.44 | jim | misterpotatohead |
| 19:54.48 | jelly | UnKnowN_: the one after slink, AFAIR |
| 19:54.53 | UnKnowN_ | thats old |
| 19:54.54 | Randall | unknown: You didn't know that and you managed to ask that question? |
| 19:54.58 | spoopin | UnKnowN_: it's probably older than you are. |
| 19:55.06 | outlaw84 | UnKnowN_: there is a line that starts: JAVADIR=/ write the path tp your javahome there |
| 19:55.18 | UnKnowN_ | im 16 |
| 19:55.45 | UnKnowN_ | where did azureus install to :S |
| 19:55.45 | spoopin | UnKnowN_: OK. You've got a few years on it, then. |
| 19:55.54 | UnKnowN_ | :D |
| 19:56.08 | masoft | UnKnowN_, why you don't try to use another client instead of Azu. |
| 19:56.10 | masoft | ? |
| 19:56.10 | jelly | UnKnowN_: you're even older than Linux itself! |
| 19:56.18 | UnKnowN_ | I've used that client since it came out |
| 19:56.22 | UnKnowN_ | ;) |
| 19:56.32 | UnKnowN_ | Im too familar with it |
| 19:56.34 | jim | yeah, a little :) |
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| 19:57.14 | jelly | UnKnowN_: how did you install it anyway, from a package or did you just unpack the tar.gz? |
| 19:57.19 | UnKnowN_ | no |
| 19:57.27 | UnKnowN_ | apt-get install azureus |
| 19:57.41 | UnKnowN_ | knoppix seems to hate apt-get |
| 19:57.47 | UnKnowN_ | everytime i install something with it |
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| 19:57.57 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: look nobody cares about knoppix here |
| 19:57.59 | tarzeau | !based on |
| 19:58.00 | UnKnowN_ | yea |
| 19:58.04 | UnKnowN_ | I dont like it anymore |
| 19:58.06 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: stop talking about it |
| 19:58.09 | jim | are you using knoppix sources? |
| 19:58.11 | tarzeau | UnKnowN_: ok stfu |
| 19:58.28 | UnKnowN_ | then ill just call it windows |
| 19:58.30 | UnKnowN_ | ;) |
| 19:58.36 | jelly | UnKnowN_: you can always try the original .tar.gz, unpack it somewhere and it Just Works |
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| 19:59.22 | jelly | UnKnowN_: that package does not exist in Debian, so you've officially entering enemy territory there. ;-) |
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| 19:59.31 | UnKnowN_ | :S |
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| 19:59.53 | UnKnowN_ | yea it does |
| 19:59.58 | jelly | UnKnowN_: and there's probably a #knoppix channel lying around |
| 20:00.16 | UnKnowN_ | azureus is already the newest version |
| 20:00.23 | UnKnowN_ | Says in apt-get |
| 20:00.26 | jelly | aw fuck, it really does |
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| 20:00.31 | UnKnowN_ | try apt-get update |
| 20:00.34 | UnKnowN_ | and check |
| 20:00.45 | jelly | sorry |
| 20:00.49 | UnKnowN_ | ;) heheh |
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| 20:01.16 | jim | UnKnowN_: you might consider auditioning other dists if you don't like that... debian does come to mind, however take a look at distrowatch.com? .net? |
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| 20:01.28 | UnKnowN_ | ive tried 20 other dists already |
| 20:01.35 | ice_1963 | owell |
| 20:01.47 | UnKnowN_ | Was seeing which one i liked best |
| 20:02.00 | jim | UnKnowN_what's the verdict? |
| 20:02.02 | UnKnowN_ | Hm |
| 20:02.07 | UnKnowN_ | I think Im going Debian |
| 20:02.09 | ajpr | so should i set up a partition for /home and if so, how much? |
| 20:02.11 | UnKnowN_ | THE ORIGINAL! |
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| 20:02.36 | ice_1963 | 1 |
| 20:02.47 | UnKnowN_ | Good choice? |
| 20:02.48 | jim | 0 |
| 20:03.04 | jim | the point is it's -your- choice |
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| 20:03.14 | UnKnowN_ | Maybe I'll dl all the packages for Debian |
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| 20:03.29 | jim | that;s a fat download |
| 20:03.29 | UnKnowN_ | I do have a TB to mess around with |
| 20:04.07 | UnKnowN_ | Oh and whats the best file system out there right now? |
| 20:04.12 | UnKnowN_ | I was thinking I'd use XFS |
| 20:04.23 | jim | if you have a good net connection you can just use floppys to start with... btw, is there much in your /home? is it on its own partn? |
| 20:04.34 | UnKnowN_ | hm |
| 20:04.48 | UnKnowN_ | jim: what do you mean? |
| 20:04.51 | jim | reiser3 tends to crash after awhile, losing all data... |
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| 20:05.00 | ice_1963 | install x-window-system then gnome then gdm ok |
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| 20:05.20 | jim | well since you're auditioning dists, what, you don't have much in your /home? |
| 20:05.22 | ice_1963 | that will do |
| 20:05.23 | UnKnowN_ | If XFS avaliable for Debian? |
| 20:05.24 | jelly | jim: not for me... |
| 20:05.31 | UnKnowN_ | Heard it was really good |
| 20:05.38 | jim | yes |
| 20:05.44 | jim | at the installer too |
| 20:05.46 | jelly | jim: how long ago did you have a reiser3 crash? |
| 20:05.52 | ajpr | so should i set up a partition for /home and if so, how much? |
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| 20:06.02 | jim | I didn't, but I heard the stories of people who did |
| 20:06.09 | jelly | jim: thought so. |
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| 20:06.34 | jim | I got off reiser so fast, woulda made your head spin as the wind hit ya :) |
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| 20:06.34 | jon_kare | I'm at xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2 |
| 20:06.49 | jon_kare | How dangerous is it to upgrade? |
| 20:07.02 | jim | ask gravity |
| 20:07.03 | valdyn | jon_kare: upgrade to what? |
| 20:07.17 | jon_kare | from sid as of 3 weeks ago to sid as of now |
| 20:07.28 | jim | is there a newer xorg? |
| 20:07.34 | jelly | jim: I've seen it crash maybe 3 yrs ago, but whatever was broken is fixed now. Its fsck is PITA though, reaaaaaaly slow. |
| 20:07.40 | gravity | jon_kare: What's your problem? |
| 20:07.44 | valdyn | jon_kare: umm, sid is usually quite dangerous to upgrade, unless you know what you're doing |
| 20:07.51 | gravity | jim: Yes. -4 is the newest and you should definitely be using that. |
| 20:08.04 | jim | hiya gravity :) |
| 20:08.07 | gravity | We're trying to get -5 out, which will solve a lot more problems, but we can't until a bug in another package is fixed |
| 20:08.11 | gravity | jim: Heya :-) |
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| 20:08.29 | jon_kare | gravity: no problem, but I try to not let sid get too far out of date |
| 20:08.38 | UnKnowN_ | Hey doesn't doom 3 work on linux? |
| 20:08.41 | jim | gravity: does the upgrading in the xorg packaging work properly? |
| 20:08.49 | UnKnowN_ | Was thinking of grabbing it off my other computer |
| 20:08.49 | jon_kare | just want to know if this is a known bad time to update |
| 20:08.50 | gravity | jim: Upgrading from what? |
| 20:08.57 | jon_kare | thanks |
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| 20:09.10 | valdyn | UnKnowN_: there's a linux version of it, so why shouldnt it? |
| 20:09.16 | jim | <jon_kare> I'm at xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-2 |
| 20:09.17 | UnKnowN_ | :D |
| 20:09.24 | UnKnowN_ | I can play a good 3d game on linux |
| 20:09.29 | UnKnowN_ | Excellent |
| 20:09.35 | gravity | jim: Oh, yes from that definitely |
| 20:09.49 | gravity | jim: We've had a few snags here and there with xfree86->xorg, but for the most part that works well too |
| 20:09.49 | jim | so he's all set... good |
| 20:09.49 | rutski89 | I'm setting up a multi head display |
| 20:09.57 | rutski89 | whats a good way to find out the BUS ID of my video cards? |
| 20:10.03 | gravity | jim: Debian xorg->Debian xorg is all fine |
| 20:10.09 | jim | lspci? |
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| 20:10.16 | Reptile4 | i just updated apache, and now when it tries to load it comes up with the error "error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14" anyone know how I could fix this? |
| 20:10.22 | gravity | A few minor snags with ubuntu xorg->debian xorg, but I've tried to minimize those |
| 20:10.33 | jim | maybe lspci -X (and use man to find out what -X is) |
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| 20:10.37 | rutski89 | jim: what would be the "Bus ID"? (0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)) |
| 20:11.12 | UnKnowN_ | Hey I got that card |
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| 20:11.36 | jim | rutski89: the 0000:01:00.0 thing, but try lspci -X |
| 20:11.39 | Technel | I downloaded the dotdeb.org PHP5 package since the official Debian packages only support PHP4. It worked fine, but apparently it doesn't have php-preg. What do I do? |
| 20:11.46 | dondelelcaro | rutski89: you shouldn't need to set one, but for that it should be PCI:1:0:0 |
| 20:11.59 | rutski89 | jim: perfect, lspci -X is quite clear |
| 20:12.00 | UnKnowN_ | So debian takes how many cd's? |
| 20:12.05 | UnKnowN_ | or should burn it onto a dvd? |
| 20:12.07 | UnKnowN_ | or two |
| 20:12.19 | rutski89 | dondelelcaro: I've got 2 heads on one card; the guide says its a good idea to set the Bus ID in that case |
| 20:12.21 | dondelelcaro | UnKnowN_: how many CDs it takes depends on you |
| 20:12.24 | gravity | UnKnowN_: To install? Just use the netinstall CD. It's not even a full disc. |
| 20:12.30 | dondelelcaro | rutski89: yeah, in that case you need it. |
| 20:12.34 | ice_1963 | 14 |
| 20:12.59 | UnKnowN_ | lol |
| 20:13.06 | UnKnowN_ | Im making that mistake again |
| 20:13.14 | UnKnowN_ | I accidently bought the UT2004 cd edition |
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| 20:13.17 | ajpr | ok so is this a good setup for debian: 10.5gb for / 2gb for home and 500mg for swap? |
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| 20:13.19 | UnKnowN_ | Took me an hour to install |
| 20:13.28 | ice_1963 | so did i |
| 20:13.35 | jim | UnKnowN_: or if you have 1.44mb floppys, start with those |
| 20:13.50 | UnKnowN_ | So how many gigs are required for debian |
| 20:13.54 | jim | and if you have a nice fat net connection |
| 20:13.55 | masoft | ajpr, why don't make just one / partition ?! |
| 20:13.57 | UnKnowN_ | ;) |
| 20:14.00 | madradrone | ajpr: i wouldn't even bother with seperate partitions with that little disk space |
| 20:14.12 | ajpr | oh ok damn |
| 20:14.12 | valdyn | ajpr: 10.5G is plenty for /, how much you want for /home is up to you to know, 500m for swap is probably alright, probably not. |
| 20:14.15 | gravity | UnKnowN_: Depends on what you want to do with it... |
| 20:14.22 | jelly | UnKnowN_: Depends on how much you make on each gig. |
| 20:14.25 | Technel | How do I know if I am on Woody or Sarge? I just went to Debian.org, hit "Getting Debian", and downloaded the NetInstall... |
| 20:14.35 | ajpr | well thanks masoft madradrone and valdyn |
| 20:14.36 | UnKnowN_ | Torrents, ircd, games, porn ;) |
| 20:14.47 | jim | I haven't made anything on a gig in awhile... |
| 20:14.49 | dondelelcaro | Technel: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:15.00 | jelly | jim: but you had fun, right? |
| 20:15.04 | Technel | don_inlab: 3.1 |
| 20:15.13 | jim | to some degree :") |
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| 20:15.26 | madradrone | ajpr: chances are, you'll be happier down the road without the seperate ones |
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| 20:15.53 | madradrone | ajpr: unless you're running a special server or something |
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| 20:16.10 | Technel | dondelelcaro: 3.1 -- So which do I have? |
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| 20:16.44 | ajpr | ok cool madradrone |
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| 20:16.55 | Epod69 | hey, i created a symbolic link to limewire and when i run it it says, "Unable to access jarfile LimeWire.jar", it runs fine if i run the program directly without the link, is there something else I need to do? |
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| 20:17.26 | Reptile4 | i keep getting the error "error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14" anyone know how I could fix this? |
| 20:17.27 | afabian | Technel, don't act helpless. It's unbecoming. |
| 20:17.54 | UnKnowN_ | Oh how do you install latest nvidia drivers? |
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| 20:18.04 | Technel | afabian: Seriously, http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ has nothing about Woody, Sarge, or any codenames. So which one am I under? |
| 20:18.19 | masoft | UnKnowN_, just download it and install it :P |
| 20:18.23 | afabian | 3.1 is sarge. |
| 20:18.27 | masoft | UnKnowN_, as easy as you think ! |
| 20:18.34 | jelly | masoft: dpkg says not so. |
| 20:18.42 | Technel | afabian: Okay, thank you |
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| 20:18.46 | jelly | UnKnowN_: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 20:18.58 | UnKnowN_ | thats sooooooooo hard ;) |
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| 20:19.11 | masoft | jelly, is it hard ?! |
| 20:19.31 | Karnaugh | apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
| 20:19.32 | RedIsDead | hi |
| 20:19.40 | jelly | masoft: I don't know, but dpkg says not to and I trust it. ;-) |
| 20:20.04 | Karnaugh | YMMV i guess |
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| 20:20.08 | UnKnowN_ | wait a minute do they have HDR for linux drivers yet? |
| 20:20.10 | ted_ | hi |
| 20:20.14 | UnKnowN_ | High Dynamic Range |
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| 20:20.27 | ted_ | i have a problem with ubuntu |
| 20:20.29 | jelly | whats HDR? |
| 20:20.31 | masoft | jelly, I have NVidia Graphic Card ! and had Debian Woody, Slackware and Debian Sarge ! It's so easy in all of them |
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| 20:20.32 | tactless | I have a .mov file which I'm playing using xine, and the volume is very low. |
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| 20:20.35 | outlaw84 | If I wanto the system to execute a few commands when the rest of the boot is complete what file do I add my commands into? |
| 20:20.37 | Karnaugh | ted_: then join #ubuntu |
| 20:20.37 | UnKnowN_ | Its a gfx feature |
| 20:20.40 | RedIsDead | I can't install java, the .deb created by make-jpkg is not working |
| 20:20.42 | UnKnowN_ | using OpenGL |
| 20:20.44 | tactless | Its audible when I turn it and all the mixers all the way up, but still not enough. |
| 20:20.50 | tactless | Is there any way I can further increase it? |
| 20:21.06 | Karnaugh | tactless: on your speakers? |
| 20:21.12 | jelly | masoft: yeah, but you're not 16 |
| 20:21.17 | tactless | Karnaugh: It's a laptop, I'm using headphones |
| 20:21.23 | Karnaugh | tactless: if its badly dubbed, there isnt much you can do software wise |
| 20:21.29 | Karnaugh | tactless: headphone amp ;) |
| 20:21.31 | ajpr | is there anyway i can contact the developers? |
| 20:21.44 | masoft | jelly, I'm 18 :P and when I did it in woody I was 15 I think ... |
| 20:21.47 | tactless | Isn't there some kind of application analogous to 'normalize'? |
| 20:21.50 | UnKnowN_ | HDR retains lighting information in OpenGL applications |
| 20:21.53 | jelly | masoft: anyway, you're right. I don't even have a nv card. ;-) |
| 20:22.00 | UnKnowN_ | Very fast high quiality lighting |
| 20:22.05 | gravity | ajpr: Of what? |
| 20:22.10 | ice_1963 | ATI |
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| 20:22.14 | ajpr | gravity: about the installer |
| 20:22.18 | rutski89 | jim: Whats a good way to find out the Vert/Horiz rates for all my displays? |
| 20:22.22 | Karnaugh | tactless: you might find a software audiocompressor somewhere |
| 20:22.27 | gravity | ajpr: debian-boot@lists.debian.org |
| 20:22.32 | ajpr | thanks |
| 20:22.46 | UnKnowN_ | Can distrute more light among surfaces than Dynamic Lighting |
| 20:22.46 | gravity | ajpr: If you had an install that went wrong, fill out an installation-report |
| 20:22.52 | Karnaugh | tactless: or plugin for xine. Google maybe? |
| 20:22.58 | gravity | ajpr: It's on the debian installer website (just google it) |
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| 20:23.39 | masoft | RuffianSoldier, you can find these information in your monitor helpbook ! |
| 20:23.49 | Daknet | this is the question: how may I mount a USB floppy disk? (using debian kernel 2.6.8) |
| 20:23.56 | EvilSporkMan | rutski89: google monitor name and model and probably the word "sync" |
| 20:23.59 | ajpr | ok thanks gravity |
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| 20:24.40 | gravity | ajpr: You're welcome. If you have any questions about the installation report, just ask me |
| 20:24.41 | outlaw84 | If I want the system to execute a few commands when the rest of the boot is complete what file do I add my commands into? |
| 20:24.44 | kadigibox | Is there a way to make a passwordless user that signs on automaticly at boot? |
| 20:24.46 | kristian | anyone that knows how to change the amount of reserved space for root on a ext2 partition? |
| 20:24.54 | rutski89 | EvilSporkMan: I have two mintors name "trinitron" one is 7 years old; one is 2 years old; and I can't find either of them on the net |
| 20:25.01 | dondelelcaro | kristian: tune2fs will do that |
| 20:25.20 | EvilSporkMan | rutski89: have you looked on the back of the monitors? sometimes it's there |
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| 20:25.21 | kristian | dondelelcaro, ok thanks |
| 20:25.28 | rutski89 | EvilSporkMan: GOod idea; one sec |
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| 20:26.32 | Daknet | when I plug in my USB floppy disk on pc it starts reading without stopping...what have I to do to mount my USB floppy disk? |
| 20:26.39 | rutski89 | EvilSporkMan: Nope |
| 20:27.21 | EvilSporkMan | rutski89: trinitron is the manufacturer/"make" of the monitor; there should also be a model number somewere |
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| 20:27.24 | philovivero | Hey, y'all. Just wondering where to start with this problem. Upgraded a Sun Ultra5 from Woody-->Sarge today (std apt-get update apt-get upgrade) and everything went smooth, except when I do "df" I get very whacky numbers back. |
| 20:27.26 | jadewolf | Greetings Fellow Linux Users, I have returned to the world of linux, no more windoze for me |
| 20:27.44 | mikeX | jadewolf, good for you :D |
| 20:27.47 | juhov | welcome back |
| 20:28.01 | rutski89 | EvilSporkMan: One model is a "Dell" it says trinitron in the upper left; the other is a "Sony" it aslo as trinitron in the upper left |
| 20:28.11 | jadewolf | Now I'm trying to remeber how to do things.... >.< not easily coming back Like I had hoped |
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| 20:28.21 | outlaw84 | philovivero: when u use "mount" commands does everything seam to be okej? |
| 20:28.28 | rutski89 | EvilSporkMan: got it! "Model Number" |
| 20:28.31 | kristian | dondelelcaro, do you know exactly why we have these reserved blocks? |
| 20:29.26 | tosh | im trying to authenticate to a wlan ap using wpa and wpa_supplicant. im possitive my wpa_supplicant.conf is correct, my wlan nic (intel bg2200) can find the AP, but doesn't seem to be able to associate with my AP (following the progress with wpa_cli). any ideas? |
| 20:29.34 | EvilSporkMan | are gnome/kde easily cleaned back off my box if i want to install and try them? |
| 20:29.46 | philovivero | outlaw84: i'll go check... right. i can mount/umount with no errors. /var/log/messages says normal ext3fs things. |
| 20:29.52 | dondelelcaro | kristian: primarily so that when a regular user manages to fill up the filesystem, there's some buffer before everything totally runs out of space |
| 20:29.55 | rutski89 | EvilSporkMan: woW!! This old 1996 monitor can do 1280x1024!? http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/dta/d1526tx/00000003.htm |
| 20:30.07 | outlaw84 | tosh: beats me... I got the same problem... I ended upp using WEP |
| 20:30.16 | dondelelcaro | kristian: IE, so the system can log who actually filled up the filesystem, or so root can actually log into the machine. |
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| 20:30.24 | rutski89 | EvilSporkMan: wait.. hehe; guess not |
| 20:30.30 | Epod69 | somewhat complex question, if I create a sym link, will the application be loaded in its orginal folder or will the app be loaded in the folder where the link is? |
| 20:30.32 | outlaw84 | philovivero: just type "mount" to list your mounts |
| 20:30.36 | tosh | outlaw84 I specifically wanted to avoid WEP. takes about 12 mins to crack it with a 128 bit key. did it yesterday ;/ |
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| 20:30.42 | kristian | dondelelcaro, ok so if I set it to zero on my other (non system) disks that wouldn't have any drawbacks right? |
| 20:30.43 | EvilSporkMan | rutski89: i have an ancient 20" CRT that does 1280x1024 (not using it, doesn't fit on desk) |
| 20:30.46 | afabian | kristian, helps prevent non-root users from successfully executing dinal-of-service attacks by filling up the disk. Filesystem performance degrades as the disk fills, so it helps to have some breathing room in all cases... blah, blah. |
| 20:30.55 | jadewolf | I just did a live install of Debian and am wondering if I can get a bit of assistance getting my Xfree to use my Nvidia 6600 GT vid card. |
| 20:30.57 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro, kristian: IOW, very useful |
| 20:31.09 | rutski89 | EvilSporkMan: hehe |
| 20:31.13 | outlaw84 | tosh: Yea I know I have cracked to... But I haven't been able to get it working either :/ |
| 20:31.14 | afabian | It's a Good Thing (tm) according to UNIX tradition, like not logging in as root. ;) |
| 20:31.18 | EvilSporkMan | tosh: don't know about WPA in debian but ssh tunneling is a security alternative |
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| 20:31.45 | dondelelcaro | kristian: it's normally such a small percentage that there's no reason to change the default unless it's a huge disk |
| 20:31.47 | SimonRaven | AFK |
| 20:31.50 | philovivero | outlaw84: just typing "mount" shows my mountpoints alright. they are pretty minimal. it feels as though somehow "df" is using broken libs, or maybe ext3fs is having some issues that cause it to report bad numbers...? |
| 20:31.51 | TwistedEmotions | My grub gets to loading stage 1.5... Grub loading, please wait... and waits there for like 30 seconds before showing the menu... lilo works fine ;( Anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 20:31.58 | dondelelcaro | kristian: you may want to reduce the number, but I'd suggest against eliminating it |
| 20:32.07 | tosh | EvilSporkMan I don't want strangers on my network |
| 20:32.10 | kristian | dondelelcaro, ok thanks again |
| 20:32.23 | tosh | EvilSporkMan this has worked btw in the past |
| 20:32.26 | jadewolf | Is there a help channel for debian noobs? |
| 20:32.31 | philovivero | outlaw84: this problem survived a reboot even. :) |
| 20:32.32 | outlaw84 | philovivero: If mount show correct then the problem is as you say with df |
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| 20:32.46 | ajpr | jadewolf: try #nvidia |
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| 20:32.52 | EvilSporkMan | jadewolf: /msg dpkg simple term or package to get started |
| 20:32.57 | outlaw84 | try "apt-get --purge remove df" and the reinstall it |
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| 20:33.16 | philovivero | outlaw84: cool. good idea. i'll try that. |
| 20:33.18 | EvilSporkMan | @tell jadewolf about nvidia |
| 20:33.37 | EvilSporkMan | er...is that supposed to be !tell? |
| 20:33.42 | philovivero | outlaw84: except it's probably part of fileutils or something... |
| 20:34.03 | EvilSporkMan | !tell jadewolf about nvidia |
| 20:34.06 | SimonRaven | EvilSporkMan: should work too. lemme make sure |
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| 20:34.21 | EvilSporkMan | SimonRaven: ravenbird has a different message under nvidia |
| 20:34.39 | SimonRaven | EvilSporkMan: just noticed |
| 20:34.42 | tosh | anyone using a asus wlan ap? |
| 20:34.43 | SimonRaven | fixing |
| 20:34.51 | tosh | anyone using a asus wlan ap and using WPA-PSK? |
| 20:35.23 | outlaw84 | philovivero: http://packages.debian.org and search for df if you dont know what package it belongs to |
| 20:35.28 | Daknet | anyone knows how to mount a USB floppy disk?? |
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| 20:35.53 | valdyn | !tell Daknet about usb-storage |
| 20:35.53 | outlaw84 | Daknet: why would you wanto mount a floppy? they sux |
| 20:35.54 | Wh0re | can i pick some1's brain asecond |
| 20:36.03 | philovivero | outlaw84: cool. thx. (i am a bit worried it'll be too low-level to uninstall -- maybe i could just remove that one binary and compile it from source somewheres...) |
| 20:36.04 | Wh0re | whats the command to get the gui for debian |
| 20:36.21 | Xenguy | startx |
| 20:36.24 | tosh | outlaw84 gonna try downgrading the firmware |
| 20:36.34 | valdyn | !tell Wh0re about setup x |
| 20:36.40 | Daknet | I'd like to make a boot disk... |
| 20:37.02 | outlaw84 | tosh: you try on :) After 3 days of trying I used WEP |
| 20:37.17 | SimonRaven | EvilSporkMan: fixed |
| 20:37.24 | Daknet | I'm trying to learn linux debian, but sometimes I make mistakes and grub doesn't start!! |
| 20:37.26 | Reptile4 | i keep getting the error "error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14" anyone know how I could fix this? |
| 20:37.34 | EvilSporkMan | SimonRaven: this is actually the first i heard of ravenbird |
| 20:37.49 | Daknet | I would like to make a boot disk |
| 20:37.53 | SimonRaven | heh. been here a while |
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| 20:38.15 | sory | hi everybody !!! |
| 20:38.31 | ice_1963 | ha |
| 20:38.39 | EvilSporkMan | Daknet: look at the grub-disk package |
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| 20:39.28 | sory | i'm using ubuntu LIVE it's my first time to use it !!!! |
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| 20:39.28 | sory | very coool |
| 20:39.28 | p30n | question: how do i list all groups on system ? |
| 20:39.28 | EvilSporkMan | sory: the ubuntu channel is #ubuntu =P |
| 20:39.28 | Xenguy | sory: /join #ubuntu |
| 20:39.28 | ajpr | lol |
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| 20:39.29 | Daknet | grub-disk needs a floppy disk?? |
| 20:39.30 | outlaw84 | sory: Is it your first time with GNU/Linux ? |
| 20:40.09 | jadewolf | What do you guys think of the ubuntu linux I have like 15 CD sets from them |
| 20:40.09 | jadewolf | never installed it yet |
| 20:40.09 | sory | i'm just trying my connexion |
| 20:40.14 | ajpr | no idea |
| 20:40.24 | ajpr | im trying to install debian |
| 20:40.34 | ajpr | hope it works this time |
| 20:40.50 | Xenguy | p30n: less /etc/group ? |
| 20:40.52 | Daknet | EvilSporkMan: I have a USB floppy disk but I'm not able to mount it! |
| 20:41.00 | sory | ok bye everybody i'm so glad ! |
| 20:41.07 | ajpr | c you |
| 20:42.10 | EvilSporkMan | p30n: cat /etc/group |
| 20:42.47 | Xenguy | p30n: this works better -> less /etc/group |cut -f1 -d':' |sort -u |less |
| 20:42.54 | p30n | tnanks |
| 20:42.56 | p30n | thansk |
| 20:43.01 | ice_1963 | installing DEBIAN is easy it's x-free86 |
| 20:43.02 | azreal | where can i read about changes that are made, like the adding of the /media directory? |
| 20:43.12 | p30n | now how do i move a user from group foo to group bar |
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| 20:43.38 | Xenguy | p30n: edit /etc/group manually is one way |
| 20:43.41 | Bac9 | p30n: remove them from foo and add them to bar |
| 20:43.51 | p30n | Bac9: commands ? |
| 20:44.04 | Bac9 | p30n: man adduser |
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| 20:47.12 | UnKnowN_ | I need a good linux to trial |
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| 20:47.17 | UnKnowN_ | distribt |
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| 20:48.05 | foo | How can I see the largest packages installed? I thought it was like dpigs or something, hmm |
| 20:48.08 | plugwash | why does p.q.d.o say that xorg-x11 is only 6 of 10 days old |
| 20:48.28 | plugwash | when the latest upload date is far longer ago than that |
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| 20:48.47 | gravity | It's not going in to testing either way... |
| 20:49.07 | plugwash | true but it still looks like something is wrong |
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| 20:49.15 | p30n | ok, i have somehow lost my mysql root account password, how do i reset or change it ? |
| 20:49.32 | mikeX | rm -rf * |
| 20:49.55 | mikeX | oops |
| 20:49.59 | p30n | mikeX: thanks man it worked! :p |
| 20:50.07 | mikeX | hahah ;D |
| 20:50.12 | UnKnowN_ | hey should i try installing unbuntu? |
| 20:50.18 | UnKnowN_ | I dont like this knoppix crap |
| 20:50.24 | gravity | UnKnowN_: Install Debian |
| 20:50.32 | UnKnowN_ | I am already |
| 20:50.36 | p30n | anyone know how i can reset or change my mysql root account passwd if its lost ? |
| 20:50.40 | gravity | UnKnowN_: Knoppix is not Debian |
| 20:50.44 | UnKnowN_ | I know |
| 20:50.46 | gravity | UnKnowN_: Nor is Ubuntu |
| 20:50.49 | UnKnowN_ | Im installing Debian |
| 20:50.50 | UnKnowN_ | ;) |
| 20:50.55 | UnKnowN_ | On my other compo |
| 20:50.59 | UnKnowN_ | comp* |
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| 20:51.33 | UnKnowN_ | What about GNUStep? |
| 20:51.39 | gravity | What about it? |
| 20:51.57 | UnKnowN_ | is that better than those? |
| 20:52.09 | gravity | Uh... GNUStep runs on Debian and Ubuntu |
| 20:52.14 | gravity | Like Gnome or KDE |
| 20:52.16 | UnKnowN_ | :D |
| 20:52.19 | UnKnowN_ | Im downloading now |
| 20:53.08 | gravity | Christ... LJ spam |
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| 20:53.15 | UnKnowN_ | LJ? |
| 20:53.20 | UnKnowN_ | Oh |
| 20:53.22 | UnKnowN_ | Leave Join |
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| 20:54.09 | TGM | Why does d-i unpack parts of itself (in the form of udebs) to a ramdisk? It would seem to me that the more normal thing to do would be to have all installer components pre-installed in the root filesystem. The root filesystem is a file on the cd which means that the ram could be saved for other purposes. (Although some ramdisk is certainly required.) Yet this route was not taken, presumably... |
| 20:54.10 | TGM | ...for a good reason. What is this reason? |
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| 20:56.00 | UnKnowN_ | Operating System: (Windows Longhorn XP Professional 6.0 (Build #5112)) Installed: (LH was installed 2wks 2days 15hrs 19mins 6secs ago) Uptime: (9h 51m 41s) |
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| 20:56.54 | outlaw84 | UnKnowN_: wow you managaded to have Windows installed without crashing for 2 weeks |
| 20:57.07 | scarynetworkguy | TGM: Unused RAM is wasted RAM. What are you going to do during the install that is memory bound? |
| 20:57.18 | UnKnowN_ | Uh yea |
| 20:57.25 | Daknet | when I plugin my usb floppy disk my debian mounts this device four times! Why? |
| 20:57.31 | UnKnowN_ | I've ran Longhorn on stress tests for a week straight before |
| 20:57.31 | TGM | nothing, but unpacking at runtime just seems odd. |
| 20:57.36 | UnKnowN_ | But thats before this build |
| 20:57.45 | outlaw84 | TGM: this is what you RAM usage should be like http://www.student.lu.se/~ihpv03mba/minne.png |
| 20:57.50 | scarynetworkguy | TGM: Why? |
| 20:58.03 | UnKnowN_ | Windows is starting to get better |
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| 20:58.46 | UnKnowN_ | I wish Microsoft would make a linux distribution |
| 20:58.51 | UnKnowN_ | Imagine it |
| 20:58.59 | UnKnowN_ | Microsoft Linux 2006 |
| 20:59.00 | mikeX | bliech |
| 20:59.01 | scarynetworkguy | TGM: Sticking it in memory is orders of magnitude faster than pulling it off of a CD. Lets you build much smaller netinst images all of that. And there is no downside. So why not? |
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| 20:59.06 | UnKnowN_ | Microsoft Windows Linux 2006 |
| 20:59.06 | Fred19726 | www.mslinux.org |
| 20:59.08 | UnKnowN_ | :D |
| 20:59.23 | outlaw84 | UnKnowN_: It would always be unstable :) |
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| 20:59.50 | UnKnowN_ | yeah just like knoppix ;) |
| 21:00.02 | batlogg | hi, is there a way to install 64bit sarge from a 32bit boot? |
| 21:00.06 | TGM | scarynetworkguy: True... it just seems odd... |
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| 21:00.54 | outlaw84 | If I want the system to execute a few commands when the rest of the boot is complete what file do I add my commands into? |
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| 21:03.53 | dondelelcaro | outlaw84: depends what these commands are |
| 21:04.10 | dondelelcaro | outlaw84: if it's just per-user, using @reboot in your crontab generally works |
| 21:04.32 | UnKnowN_ | Microsoft invaded cuba today O.o |
| 21:04.33 | dondelelcaro | outlaw84: otherwise, write an initscript to run at S99 in the runlevels that you use. |
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| 21:05.12 | scarynetworkguy | Ah damn. I wanted to hear his twisted logic about why it seems odd. |
| 21:05.46 | outlaw84 | dondelelcaro: basically I wanto run "iwconfig" and "dhclient" to set upp my wlan interface... But I haven't found a simple way to do os |
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| 21:06.44 | scarynetworkguy | outlaw84: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:07.22 | jim | reference for that file is man 5 intrfaces |
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| 21:07.42 | jim | reference for that file is man 5 interfaces <--was misspelled |
| 21:07.49 | outlaw84 | scarynetworkguy: how do I run external application from /etc/network/interfaces ??? I tryed just typing my iwconfig command there but it didn't work |
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| 21:08.29 | jim | read the reference :) you can do that, but that file is not a shell script |
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| 21:08.51 | braniff | i'm trying to load a kernel module, but modprobe keeps saying that the module is "not found". how do i make modprobe find my module ? |
| 21:09.01 | outlaw84 | I cant understand why it suppose to be that hard |
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| 21:09.37 | GlingGling | i'm having some DMA errors, I've been told that upgrading my kernel is the way to fix this. How do I use apt-get to get a new kernel? |
| 21:09.48 | jim | basically you should bring the networking up early because other boot services starting up need networking |
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| 21:09.53 | welson | there a way to see the suggested packages for a certian package? |
| 21:10.05 | Jhair | braniff: what does find /lib/modules -name \*.ko -print | grep your_module say |
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| 21:10.08 | outlaw84 | jim: yea but how |
| 21:10.18 | jim | reference for that file is man 5 interfaces <--was misspelled |
| 21:10.32 | welson | GlingGling, what processor do you have? |
| 21:10.39 | outlaw84 | yea I tried to read that... |
| 21:10.44 | jim | I can't take you thru a session now, I don't have time |
| 21:10.50 | GlingGling | welson, I have an AMD 64 |
| 21:10.52 | jim | must get coffee... |
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| 21:11.27 | welson | GlingGling, apt-cache search kernel amd 64 |
| 21:11.30 | UnKnowN_ | Must get Windows XP |
| 21:11.48 | GlingGling | thanks, I'll try that |
| 21:11.58 | UnKnowN_ | coffee.wav dunks a timtam in java & then slaps Jim around with it :) |
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| 21:12.20 | UnKnowN_ | That good enough Jim? |
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| 21:12.53 | braniff | Jhair, /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/ath_pci.ko |
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| 21:13.31 | outlaw84 | GlingGling: you should perhaps even compile a kernel of your own... its really easy with make-kpkg |
| 21:13.37 | scarynetworkguy | outlaw84: man 5 interfaces (I think don't have Debian box to look at just now. You should be able to run arbitary commands there. Read the man page and do it right. :P |
| 21:14.25 | GlingGling | what would be the advantage of compiling it myself? |
| 21:14.30 | outlaw84 | scarynetworkguy: could "script /usr/local/sbin/map-scheme" be away? |
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| 21:15.02 | outlaw84 | scarynetworkguy: or thats the a script file that is being pointed out= |
| 21:15.04 | elmagozizou | Hi...I dont know Why mi system doesnt mount automaticly my ntfs partition? I add this line in the /etc/fstab..."mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222" |
| 21:15.26 | elmagozizou | if I mount it manually it works... |
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| 21:15.33 | welson | elmagozizou, that's because fstab is a rules file, not a script |
| 21:15.42 | outlaw84 | elmagozizou: thats not how you write stuff i fstab |
| 21:15.45 | afabian | elmagozizou, man fstab |
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| 21:16.00 | Snippy | Hello everyone |
| 21:16.06 | elmagozizou | work for me in ubuntu and fedora...is diferent in debian? |
| 21:16.14 | outlaw84 | elmagozizou: /dev/hda1 /mnt/win ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=1000,uid=1000 0 0 |
| 21:16.18 | jim | probably |
| 21:16.53 | Jhair | braniff: did you try with modprobe -v already? It should print out more information about the problem... Or try with insmod instead of modprobe |
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| 21:17.11 | GlingGling | once I have found a kernal I beleive will work for me, how do I download that specific kernal and install it? |
| 21:17.24 | elmagozizou | outlaw84, but is because in debian should be like you are saying to me? |
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| 21:18.00 | outlaw84 | thats is the format for using /etc/fstab |
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| 21:18.22 | welson | GlingGling, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto |
| 21:18.30 | welson | ~tell GlingGling about apt |
| 21:18.48 | braniff | Jhair, my problem was i didn't run depmod -- now that problem is fixed. modprobe now tells me i have an invalid module format (time for recompilation of my modules) |
| 21:19.22 | elmagozizou | outlaw84, and why does it work when I put it in ubuntu and fedora? |
| 21:19.25 | UnKnowN_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:19.52 | jim | elmagozizou: unless he's familiar with those OSes, he might not know :) |
| 21:20.16 | scarynetworkguy | outlaw84: I'd read the manpage and do it the right way. But I'm a bit of a freak that way. |
| 21:20.27 | afabian | elmagozizou, they apparently have local hacks to look for mount commands in the fstab. What they are doing is in no way standard to the UNIX culture that gave the fstab file birth. |
| 21:20.37 | jim | but it would be a good thing for you to find out... because maybe you can duplicate the situation in your debian or in any other dist you want |
| 21:20.40 | outlaw84 | ubuntu and fedora probably mounted the partition with an other automounter and didn't look at /etc/fstab at all. |
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| 21:21.07 | elmagozizou | afabian, ok..tnks |
| 21:21.34 | elmagozizou | jim, yeah the only way to know will be asking him |
| 21:21.48 | outlaw84 | scarynetworkguy: but its so long :( and as I speed read it there is lots off info that I really dont need :((( |
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| 21:22.34 | jim | elmagozizou: it is? so he has the problem on his machine? |
| 21:22.35 | welson | so does anyone have a meanings for finding what suggestions a package can list? |
| 21:23.15 | jim | welson: packages.debian.org |
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| 21:23.32 | jim | unless you have the .deb, then read the output of dpkg --help |
| 21:23.44 | qpanas | witam |
| 21:23.58 | qpanas | czy sa tu Polacy? |
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| 21:24.15 | jim | !pl |
| 21:24.15 | dpkg | somebody said pl was sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 21:24.28 | qpanas | OK |
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| 21:26.15 | rutski89 | jim: well; three of my 4 monitors are working correcty :-p |
| 21:26.48 | rutski89 | jim: the 4th montor seams to be showing the top right 4th of screen 0 |
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| 21:26.58 | rutski89 | jim: yet its on its own screen in the config file |
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| 21:27.19 | Wh0re | whats the command to get to the apt config screen the one with the time and date etc |
| 21:27.52 | outlaw84 | Wh0re: base-config |
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| 21:28.26 | p30n | question: how do i lock a user in his /home/ directory ? |
| 21:28.44 | asuffield | p30n: you don't. unix doesn't work like that |
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| 21:29.16 | dupondje | /dev/hda3 56680092 25970040 27830804 49% / |
| 21:29.17 | dupondje | but |
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| 21:29.21 | p30n | asuffield: what should i do then to stop him from reaching other users /home/´s ? |
| 21:29.28 | dupondje | Unable to open /dev/hda |
| 21:29.29 | outlaw84 | p30n: if you user hasn't to access outside his own /home he wont have any apps to run :) |
| 21:29.29 | dupondje | any id ? :s |
| 21:29.36 | wilotas | Hola... |
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| 21:29.45 | emurz | how can I mount iso images |
| 21:29.46 | rixth | Samsung has some really nice LCDs for dual-triple-whatever cause the bezel around the edges of the screen is only about 3mm |
| 21:29.47 | dupondje | prolly cause of Mounted devfs on /dev |
| 21:29.48 | dupondje | ?? |
| 21:29.54 | asuffield | p30n: the other users should remove the world read and execute bits from their home directory if they do not want other users to poke around in them |
| 21:30.04 | jim | you can set their home dir something like 750 or 700 |
| 21:30.38 | asuffield | p30n: note that if you take world execute off the home directory, then ~/public_html and anything similar won't work, because you just said it shouldn't |
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| 21:31.18 | asuffield | this is why users have control over their own permissions |
| 21:31.40 | hax | can someone help me get ssh key based authentication working? |
| 21:31.49 | hax | i've followed the docs and it just doesnt seem to work |
| 21:31.53 | jim | start by making a key |
| 21:32.09 | hax | jim: did that |
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| 21:32.56 | afabian | hax, public key goes in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, private key is sent by an agent or specified on the command-line. |
| 21:33.06 | hax | afabian: yeah, i know |
| 21:33.11 | jim | append the file on the remote called ~/.ssh/authorized_keys with the public key |
| 21:33.20 | hax | jim: oh wait, its a file? |
| 21:33.23 | hax | i thought it was a directory |
| 21:33.24 | hax | ahh |
| 21:33.27 | hax | now it all makes sense |
| 21:33.28 | hax | brb |
| 21:34.19 | hax | jim: awesome |
| 21:34.20 | hax | works great |
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| 21:34.32 | afabian | hax, OpenSSH has really good manual pages, being from the OpenBSD project. |
| 21:34.38 | jim | cool :) hmm, should there be a dir instead of a file? |
| 21:34.45 | hax | afabian: i just thought that it was a dir, not a file |
| 21:34.54 | hax | jim: no, apparently you're supposed to >> each key into that file |
| 21:34.56 | jim | or in addition to? like .ssh/authorized_keys.d |
| 21:34.56 | dak | ugh |
| 21:34.56 | afabian | hax, the manual page would've told you otherwise. ;) |
| 21:34.59 | hax | jim: i thought i was supposed to copy it to a directory |
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| 21:35.10 | hax | afabian: yeah, i agree |
| 21:35.10 | hax | heh |
| 21:35.20 | dupondje | /dev/hda3 56680092 25970040 27830804 49% / but i can't open it 'Unable to open /dev/hda' |
| 21:35.21 | dupondje | any id ? :s |
| 21:35.42 | jim | why are you trying to open it |
| 21:35.52 | dupondje | fdisk -l :) |
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| 21:35.59 | jim | (NOTE I will be disappearing without warning) |
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| 21:36.20 | jim | what user is trying to fdisk -l? |
| 21:36.51 | dupondje | root |
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| 21:37.11 | jim | then I don't know what's wrong |
| 21:37.18 | dak | yeah root should do it |
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| 21:37.35 | dupondje | looks like it all got: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 etc names :s |
| 21:37.38 | dak | unless i dunno im kinda wasted atm, if its mounted you might not beable to write to the table.. |
| 21:37.41 | m4csim | hi |
| 21:37.49 | dak | but u can still run fdisk on a mounted drive |
| 21:38.24 | s_ward | dupondje, that looks like the devfs name.. try fdisk -l on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
| 21:38.28 | GlingGling | i am trying to uninstall a gui pkg and reinstall it but it seems to be finding the errored downloads rather than redownloading. how to i get ride of the files to redownload? |
| 21:38.42 | m4csim | I've got a strange things with anjuta and gphpedit, the text is strange, I'm with debian sid, anyone else has got this problem ? |
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| 21:38.49 | jim | try apt-get clean |
| 21:39.05 | s_ward | ick, I'm glad devfs is deprecated.. |
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| 21:39.10 | GlingGling | dig it |
| 21:39.17 | dak | yeah |
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| 21:39.55 | dak | uhm ok. |
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| 21:40.37 | dupondje | s_ward and how to chenge it back normal ? |
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| 21:40.39 | ma3x | hello |
| 21:40.58 | two|face | hey I'm trying to connect to my debian ftp server from an internet address (vs the router address) but it will not let me through, the router settings look fine is there a setting in debian that would prevent me from accessing it from outside the network? |
| 21:41.01 | ma3x | if I accidently deleted my grub boot loader, and if I have the debian netinst CD, how do I boot the existing partition? |
| 21:41.07 | dak | take it out of your kernel |
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| 21:41.20 | Warp4 | hi all, can mythtv be installed via apt-get? |
| 21:41.21 | ma3x | dak take out what? |
| 21:41.25 | s_ward | dupondje, what do you mean "back to normal"? If you're using devfs, that is pretty normal |
| 21:41.54 | dak | ma3x u gotta reinstall grub |
| 21:41.58 | ma3x | dak how? |
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| 21:42.01 | dupondje | how to remove devfs .. |
| 21:42.02 | dak | i dont use grub so |
| 21:42.05 | dak | try #grub |
| 21:42.08 | ma3x | is it possible to reinstall grub from the bootcd? |
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| 21:42.16 | dak | i dunno |
| 21:42.29 | two|face | if you have the netinst loader you can try to load it, then hit esc it gives you an index of install procedures including the grub installation |
| 21:42.31 | dak | i dont see why not tho |
| 21:42.44 | ma3x | two|face, how do i load it? |
| 21:42.56 | dak | put it in the cd drive ? |
| 21:42.57 | jim | try booting the cd :P |
| 21:43.01 | two|face | put it in your cdrom and turn the power on |
| 21:43.11 | war- | It looks like Spell Checking in Debian Etch w/OpenOffice is broken, any cmments? |
| 21:43.12 | UnKnowN_ | Hm |
| 21:43.14 | s_ward | dupondje, I'm not entirely sure, since I never went through the process |
| 21:43.15 | UnKnowN_ | good idea |
| 21:43.33 | dak | war- its not in the 1.9 release |
| 21:43.39 | dak | thats why i went to 1.9 |
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| 21:44.07 | UnKnowN_ | my mouse lost one of its balls help! |
| 21:44.11 | war- | ah, thx. |
| 21:44.12 | dak | #debian-oo will tell ya |
| 21:44.16 | dak | its in experimental |
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| 21:44.24 | havk | can anyone suggest a way i can manage keeping a list of files and directories in sync between 3 debian servers? |
| 21:44.31 | dak | bb |
| 21:44.34 | jim | UnKnowN_: get a trackball... then you won't have a rodent... |
| 21:44.50 | s_ward | dupondje, try this: http://glasnost.beeznest.org/articles/186 (I used Google, it's a very handy tool) |
| 21:45.14 | pureone | havk wget? |
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| 21:45.35 | UnKnowN_ | But its lost its one and only ball |
| 21:45.42 | UnKnowN_ | What do I do with it? |
| 21:45.55 | pureone | havk check out clussterssh |
| 21:46.00 | jim | it's already neutered, not much to do... |
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| 21:46.20 | UnKnowN_ | Its got a laser now on the bottom of it |
| 21:46.27 | UnKnowN_ | My mouse has evolved |
| 21:46.39 | havk | pureone: that would be the simplest way ;-) |
| 21:46.55 | havk | clusterssh, i will check that |
| 21:47.13 | UnKnowN_ | Wth |
| 21:47.18 | UnKnowN_ | Enemy Territory not working |
| 21:47.27 | UnKnowN_ | Says could not load OpenGL subsystem |
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| 21:48.07 | UnKnowN_ | How do i fix this? |
| 21:48.19 | TwistedEmotions | What is the name of the prog that pulls up HD info ? |
| 21:49.11 | s_ward | TwistedEmotions, fdisk? |
| 21:49.31 | Warp4 | TwistedEmotions, you are looking for hdparm |
| 21:49.35 | TwistedEmotions | s_ward: I was kidding.. I mean thanks ;) |
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| 21:50.37 | UnKnowN_ | Can someone help me with installing a game? |
| 21:50.42 | UnKnowN_ | It wont start |
| 21:50.46 | like | anyone know cheap domain registration? |
| 21:51.04 | FieldySnuts | wrong channel? |
| 21:51.12 | like | where should i go? |
| 21:51.12 | ice_1963 | apt-get install gnome |
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| 21:52.15 | chealer | UnKnowN_: what do you do, what happens? |
| 21:52.20 | UnKnowN_ | I install et |
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| 21:52.35 | s_ward | like, Google |
| 21:52.37 | ice_1963 | first you will need to install x-window-system |
| 21:52.37 | UnKnowN_ | Everything is good until i execute it |
| 21:52.40 | UnKnowN_ | It fails |
| 21:52.57 | UnKnowN_ | Alreay have it |
| 21:53.07 | UnKnowN_ | I think |
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| 21:53.12 | like | s_ward, tried that, you know one? |
| 21:53.16 | flankk | Hi. I've got an onboard Yamaha sound chipset that isn't detected by "lspci", and I've had much trouble getting it to work with either ALSA or OSS, I really need help in getting it detected first. |
| 21:53.17 | ice_1963 | it's your mouse |
| 21:53.34 | chealer | UnKnowN_: how do you "execute" it? |
| 21:53.37 | UnKnowN_ | sh et |
| 21:53.50 | UnKnowN_ | thats all i have to do |
| 21:53.56 | s_ward | like, this is _not_ the place to ask, we do not know, or care, where you should ask, we just know it is not here |
| 21:54.13 | chealer | UnKnowN_: "sh et"?? |
| 21:54.18 | UnKnowN_ | Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem |
| 21:54.22 | UnKnowN_ | yep |
| 21:54.27 | UnKnowN_ | sh et executes it |
| 21:54.32 | s_ward | like, try www.eu.org or something and bugger off |
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| 21:54.43 | zinx | UnKnowN_: does glxgears run? |
| 21:54.48 | UnKnowN_ | glxgears? |
| 21:54.57 | zinx | UnKnowN_: yes, glxgears |
| 21:55.05 | UnKnowN_ | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 21:55.05 | UnKnowN_ | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 21:55.05 | UnKnowN_ | Error: couldn't open display (null) |
| 21:55.07 | Mini-Modder | i am having a hard drive problem i just installed debain on this computer and it wont even boot it gives me a hard disk error i can drop into the grub commadn line and thats all how can fix it from there? |
| 21:55.17 | chealer | UnKnowN_: what's et? |
| 21:55.19 | UnKnowN_ | thats what the output is |
| 21:55.22 | gravity | UnKnowN_: Are you running X? |
| 21:55.25 | UnKnowN_ | Return to CAstle Wolfenstein |
| 21:55.29 | UnKnowN_ | X11? |
| 21:55.29 | zinx | UnKnowN_: you're going to have problems getting ET working if glxgears isn't working |
| 21:55.34 | gravity | Uh, sure |
| 21:55.39 | UnKnowN_ | How do I fix that? |
| 21:55.56 | zinx | UnKnowN_: that's quite a complex topic, and will require a whole lot of information |
| 21:56.03 | UnKnowN_ | :S |
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| 21:56.13 | UnKnowN_ | I think I will install a different distribution |
| 21:56.13 | chealer | UnKnowN_: what's et? |
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| 21:56.25 | zinx | chealer: enemy territory |
| 21:56.26 | FieldySnuts | a proprietary (but free as in cost) game |
| 21:56.27 | UnKnowN_ | Return to CAstle Wolfenstein Enemy Terrioty |
| 21:56.28 | UnKnowN_ | Free |
| 21:56.38 | chealer | zinx: heh, ok |
| 21:56.39 | UnKnowN_ | Very nice free game |
| 21:56.41 | loocek | what I have to set to auto complete (when I push tab) name of command when I use man ? |
| 21:56.44 | zinx | actually it's just Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, but whatever ;) |
| 21:56.49 | UnKnowN_ | Yeah |
| 21:56.50 | s_ward | Source is available for it, but it's still not FLOSS |
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| 21:57.01 | zinx | only source for the game code |
| 21:57.05 | UnKnowN_ | Should I install a new distribution of linux |
| 21:57.08 | zinx | as with previous id games that haven't been GPL'd yet |
| 21:57.11 | FieldySnuts | @polls |
| 21:57.11 | ravenbird | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid badgers will hurt you. |
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| 21:57.54 | UnKnowN_ | hm |
| 21:58.10 | Karnaugh | how do i force my cdrom to open? :/ |
| 21:58.13 | s_ward | zinx, I believe the source for the engine is available too, it is the Q3A engine isn't it? |
| 21:58.15 | UnKnowN_ | lol |
| 21:58.17 | UnKnowN_ | umount the drive |
| 21:58.24 | UnKnowN_ | or use a paperclip and eject it manually |
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| 21:58.30 | Karnaugh | yea.. device or resource busy |
| 21:58.32 | UnKnowN_ | ejecting manually bad |
| 21:58.40 | UnKnowN_ | Disk is still spinning |
| 21:58.44 | FieldySnuts | lsof | grep cdrom or something see what is hogging it |
| 21:58.53 | chealer | UnKnowN_: that's not how you should start gnome. |
| 21:59.01 | Karnaugh | which is obvious because this USELESS UT2004 installer locsk the cdrom device and then says "HAHA ok now put the next disk in please" |
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| 21:59.10 | Karnaugh | and you sit there going "... retards..." |
| 21:59.11 | UnKnowN_ | how should i? |
| 21:59.18 | chealer | !start gnome |
| 21:59.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, starting gnome is echo exec /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession |
| 21:59.33 | zinx | s_ward: source for the q3a engine isn't available, and ET has a lot of changes, which are also not available |
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| 21:59.38 | UnKnowN_ | k |
| 21:59.39 | UnKnowN_ | brb |
| 21:59.42 | chealer | UnKnowN_: I don't really know how to start gnome without using gdm |
| 22:00.01 | UnKnowN_ | i think i can logout and login again and do that |
| 22:00.03 | Mini-Modder | i need wiht a hard disk error, how do you fsck when you cant get passed grub? |
| 22:00.16 | Mr-R | Karnaugh: just copy the cds on the hard-drive and start the setup from there. |
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| 22:00.39 | Karnaugh | Mr-R: that doesnt sound like a party |
| 22:00.41 | zinx | s_ward: Carmack was going to release the source for q3a, but they got some new licensee or something and decided to wait a while |
| 22:00.47 | UnKnowN_ | apt-get knome-common? |
| 22:00.54 | UnKnowN_ | apt-get install knome-common? |
| 22:00.59 | s_ward | zinx, oh, ok :) |
| 22:01.14 | Mr-R | Karnaugh: i think i did that to install ut2004. but i am not sure. was a year ago... |
| 22:01.56 | rixth | T Rix <asubstitute@gmail.com> << How is that an invalid name of a GPG key? It says in the line above to use that format! |
| 22:02.21 | UnKnowN_ | ahhh |
| 22:02.22 | Mini-Modder | how do you fsck from grub command line? |
| 22:02.30 | UnKnowN_ | its apt-get install gnome |
| 22:02.36 | UnKnowN_ | apt-get install gnome-core |
| 22:02.45 | zinx | Mini-Modder: i don't think grub has fsck functionality |
| 22:03.04 | Mini-Modder | damn |
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| 22:03.13 | UnKnowN_ | 158 Megs |
| 22:03.19 | ma3x | hello |
| 22:03.22 | aktinos | rixth: i think it ask first for the name, and then for the e-mail |
| 22:03.23 | ma3x | i need some serious help |
| 22:03.25 | Mini-Modder | is there a way to do a hard reset from grub? |
| 22:03.33 | ma3x | I rm'd grub, and now I have no boot loader |
| 22:03.46 | ma3x | when I insert the netinst CD, what should I type at the prompt to boot from my existing partition? |
| 22:03.52 | loocek | again... how to turn on autocomplete in using man... I mean when I type e.g. "man ifcon" and push tab, then I'll got automatically "man ifconfig" |
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| 22:04.40 | mo1991 | can anyone tell me how to universally turn off the system bell? |
| 22:04.42 | floppyears | loocek: I don't know. I usually use apropos, or man -k to search for something that I don't know. |
| 22:04.47 | UnKnowN_ | unplug the bell |
| 22:04.51 | s_ward | loocek, look up bash autocompletion |
| 22:04.59 | ma3x | s_ward, can you please help me? |
| 22:05.18 | floppyears | loocek: and if it's a command that it's in my path. I try autocompleting the command first, and then I use Ctrl+A to go to the beginning of the line and start typing man |
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| 22:05.42 | FieldySnuts | ~gender |
| 22:05.42 | apt | I'm sexless |
| 22:05.44 | ma3x | s_ward, MBR is gone, my partition is still there. I have the netinst CD. Is there a way to boot the existing partition, and how? |
| 22:05.45 | FieldySnuts | yech |
| 22:05.58 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: gender? |
| 22:05.59 | ravenbird | I'm sexless |
| 22:06.01 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 22:06.07 | UnKnowN_ | lol |
| 22:06.09 | s_ward | ma3x, try the rescue option |
| 22:06.17 | ma3x | s_ward, what's that? |
| 22:06.20 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: gender? |
| 22:06.20 | ravenbird | I'm gay |
| 22:06.22 | FieldySnuts | ok |
| 22:06.24 | UnKnowN_ | lol |
| 22:06.39 | UnKnowN_ | Your not joking are you.......... |
| 22:06.53 | FieldySnuts | sometimes, they'll say they are a hermaphrodite... |
| 22:06.55 | s_ward | ma3x, when you get the boot options bit for the CD, press a few of the function keys on your keyboard to find out stuff |
| 22:07.06 | FieldySnuts | apt: gender? |
| 22:07.06 | apt | I'm gay |
| 22:07.11 | FieldySnuts | ookay |
| 22:07.15 | FieldySnuts | brb. |
| 22:07.16 | ma3x | s_ward, I pressed from F2-F10 and didn't see rescue option |
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| 22:07.29 | ice_1963 | that's to Bad |
| 22:07.35 | ma3x | whats so bad |
| 22:07.37 | ma3x | being gay? |
| 22:07.51 | FieldySnuts | @gay |
| 22:07.51 | ravenbird | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 22:08.10 | UnKnowN_ | I like hot chicks :D |
| 22:08.13 | UnKnowN_ | Lots of porn |
| 22:08.18 | UnKnowN_ | And a good computer |
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| 22:08.42 | UnKnowN_ | all i need |
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| 22:09.13 | terje` | nn |
| 22:09.25 | UnKnowN_ | goodnight terje' |
| 22:10.33 | ice_1963 | is gay pig |
| 22:11.22 | two|face | hey how do I disable shell logins for users? |
| 22:11.42 | ma3x | Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 22:11.46 | ma3x | what's that? |
| 22:11.56 | ma3x | i get it when i type grub-install /dev/hda1 |
| 22:12.11 | like | two|face, you can use nologin |
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| 22:13.04 | ma3x | FieldySnuts, are you enjoying anal stimulation? |
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| 22:13.24 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 22:13.36 | FieldySnuts | goa way |
| 22:13.42 | ma3x | that's what ravenbird said |
| 22:13.45 | ma3x | and you triggered him |
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| 22:14.17 | ma3x | i mean its okay if its true |
| 22:14.49 | buu | Look, who doesn't enjoy a good anal stimlulation now and again? |
| 22:15.19 | sorcre | Is there an online tutorial for getting 3d acceleration to work on my Radeon IGP 345M? I found a few but they were filled with broken links |
| 22:15.38 | ma3x | hey sorcre |
| 22:15.42 | ma3x | I can help you |
| 22:15.47 | ma3x | I have the same graphic card |
| 22:15.53 | ma3x | are you on debian sarge/ |
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| 22:16.03 | sorcre | thanks, I would really appreciate it. And yes. |
| 22:16.19 | ma3x | ok then hold on while i find the links |
| 22:16.22 | two|face | like: how do I set their shell to nologin though? |
| 22:17.13 | FieldySnuts | what are you doing giving anyone an account if you don't know that? have fun bein rooted |
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| 22:17.42 | ma3x | FieldySnuts, who? |
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| 22:17.49 | dockane | is there a way to keep grub counting down to a timout but do that silently ? |
| 22:18.21 | ma3x | sorcre, edit /etc/apt/sources.list (add the following line): deb http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk-sid ./ |
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| 22:18.30 | mo1991 | I get jerky mouse movement from the 2.6 kernel on my laptop hp ze4145. The default sarge 2.4 kernel mouse works fine. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:18.30 | ma3x | sorcre, then run apt-get update |
| 22:18.41 | ma3x | sorcre, tell me when you're done |
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| 22:20.17 | like | two|face, search google nologin shell |
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| 22:21.31 | fatalis__ | hello |
| 22:21.36 | fatalis__ | I just joined this channel |
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| 22:23.06 | jim | don't feed the mouse beef jerky... |
| 22:23.12 | fatalis__ | I look forward to some cheerful discussion |
| 22:23.22 | steve__ | hey- "dhclient" is slow- are there any alternatives? |
| 22:23.23 | ma3x | where do i download the rescue disk? |
| 22:23.29 | drac | steve__: dhcpcd |
| 22:23.34 | FieldySnuts | fatalis__: heh. good luck. |
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| 22:23.51 | jim | ma3x: don't you already have the cd you installed with? |
| 22:23.52 | two|face | ok thanks got it |
| 22:23.55 | s_ward | ma3x, start your net install CD, when it gets to the first config bit, switch to a console |
| 22:23.56 | xsdg | jim: heh |
| 22:23.57 | mo1991 | has anyone had problems with jerky behaviour with laptops using the 2.6 kernel for sarge??? |
| 22:23.58 | ma3x | jim, I do |
| 22:24.03 | fatalis__ | FieldySnuts, are you saying that everbody here is a retard? |
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| 22:24.09 | FieldySnuts | no, just most |
| 22:24.10 | jim | you could try installing grub with that |
| 22:24.18 | blujay | mo1991: which 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:24.19 | ma3x | s_ward, what is "first config bit". You mean installation bit? |
| 22:24.23 | s_ward | yes |
| 22:24.24 | steve__ | what about the other dhcp things? what dhcp's do you guys use? |
| 22:24.26 | s_ward | that's the one |
| 22:24.26 | ixion^^ | hi, what does promiscous mode mean ? |
| 22:24.29 | mo1991 | 2.6.8-2 |
| 22:24.31 | ixion^^ | for a network interface |
| 22:24.42 | xsdg | ixion^^: "listen to packets that I receive that are not destined to me" |
| 22:24.45 | mo1991 | blujay - and the k7 2.6.8-11 I think |
| 22:24.55 | FieldySnuts | ixion^^: it means that it passes on any traffic it sees, even those not meant for me, and passes it on to the kernel |
| 22:24.59 | blujay | mo1991: try a newer 2.6 kernel, there's up to 2.6.11 in testing |
| 22:25.01 | mo1991 | both give jerky mouse response and i suspect will skip mp3's |
| 22:25.07 | ma3x | s_ward, and how do you switch to console? |
| 22:25.12 | FieldySnuts | ixion^^: this is important for things like intrusion detection systems, packet sniffing, etc |
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| 22:25.16 | ixion^^ | xsdg, ok, how do I put an interface into that mode? I think it might be the source or my problem |
| 22:25.21 | jim | fatalis__: do you run debian? or plan to? |
| 22:25.23 | s_ward | Alt-F<n> |
| 22:25.27 | fatalis__ | jim, no |
| 22:25.28 | xsdg | ixion^^: ifconfig can do it |
| 22:25.34 | ixion^^ | ill have a look thanks |
| 22:25.36 | xsdg | ixion^^: tools like tcpdump usually do it automatically |
| 22:25.39 | mo1991 | blujay - would it be better for me to just add alsa to the 2.4 kernel rather than using testing? |
| 22:25.40 | FieldySnuts | ixion^^: i have never heard of actually needing to do that to solve a problem, that is unlikely |
| 22:25.50 | s_ward | ma3x, Alt-F<n> |
| 22:25.52 | ixion^^ | I have virtual machines running on a host, and I cant get them to hand out DHCP addresses |
| 22:25.53 | fatalis__ | jim, should I? |
| 22:26.03 | jim | your choice |
| 22:26.04 | jim | but |
| 22:26.04 | s_ward | damn, I need another drink... |
| 22:26.08 | blujay | mo1991: try a newer 2.6 kernel, there are three newer versions than the one you're using |
| 22:26.08 | ma3x | s_ward, and then what do i type in the console? |
| 22:26.10 | ixion^^ | but saying that, if the interface was not in promiscous mode then the VM's would not be working at all |
| 22:26.19 | jim | this isn't a social chat place really |
| 22:26.36 | fatalis__ | well, I don't buy all this alternative OS shit |
| 22:26.38 | fatalis__ | linux sucks |
| 22:26.40 | mo1991 | bluejay - will using a testing kernel affect the stablility of the machine? |
| 22:26.52 | blujay | mo1991: what is the machine for? |
| 22:27.11 | fatalis__ | it's for faggots and niggers |
| 22:27.20 | jim | wellthen... whatcha doin here? :) I mean it's moreorless ok if it's idle... but we like to keep things on-topic when it gets tense |
| 22:27.23 | s_ward | ma3x, uh, I dunno, try and mount a partition or two, try running grub-install there.. |
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| 22:27.27 | FieldySnuts | @ops fatalis__ trolling and being racist |
| 22:27.28 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: fatalis__ trolling and being racist |
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| 22:27.34 | baikonur | hi |
| 22:27.39 | s_ward | ma3x, weren't you able to do that before? Run grub-install? |
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| 22:27.39 | mo1991 | bluejay - using finalscratch DJ software - stability very important - original version runs 2.4 version with alsa but wanted to try 2.6 as alsa is incorporated |
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| 22:27.43 | FieldySnuts | danke. |
| 22:27.48 | jim | kthxbye |
| 22:27.49 | ma3x | s_ward, can't i just type linux root=(hd0,0) at the netinst prompt? |
| 22:27.50 | jim | :) |
| 22:28.12 | s_ward | ma3x, you can type it, whether it will do anything good, I know not |
| 22:28.14 | Pyro_Lith | anyone wanna help me with some install probs? |
| 22:28.25 | blujay | mo1991: I highly doubt using one of the testing kernels will affect your stability, but if you are that scared, just use 2.4 |
| 22:28.26 | ma3x | s_ward, you reading shakespeare? |
| 22:28.28 | ma3x | :p |
| 22:28.30 | s_ward | ma3x, knoppix is handy as a rescue disc |
| 22:28.52 | s_ward | remember though, knoppix isn't Debian :) |
| 22:28.53 | ixion^^ | I cant see anything in man interfaces and man ifconfig about promiscous mode |
| 22:28.58 | ma3x | s_ward, I am on knoppix now |
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| 22:29.06 | mo1991 | bluejay - what do I need to install to get alsa running on 2.4 kernel - 2.6 auto detects my alsa stuff - |
| 22:29.14 | ma3x | s_ward, when I type grub-install /dev/hda1 it gives error |
| 22:29.17 | Nigel | whats the best way of creating a lilo boot disk gups? |
| 22:29.21 | Nigel | *guys |
| 22:29.40 | blujay | mo1991: I don't know, I use 2.6. and my name has no e :) type blu and press tab |
| 22:29.41 | jim | in 2.4, alsa is still separate from the kernel... in 2.6. alsa is -in- the kernel sources |
| 22:30.09 | jim | you mean... it's not beluejaeye?!!? |
| 22:30.21 | blujay | hehe |
| 22:30.29 | mo1991 | blujay, sorry |
| 22:30.34 | s_ward | ma3x, is that where grub was installed before? |
| 22:30.35 | ma3x | s_ward, 'grub-install /dev/hda1' Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 22:30.37 | baikonur | I'm trying to install libfam-dev but it has unmet dependencies: libfam-dev: Depends: libfam0 (= 2.7.0-7.2). But libfam0: Conflicts: libfam0c102 and vice versa. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318836 is closed but I don't understand why, because when I want to remove libfam0c102 and install libfam0 instead lots of packages will be deleted |
| 22:30.45 | mo1991 | blujay, sorry i think I need the alsa-modules package |
| 22:30.50 | ma3x | s_ward, well that is my debian partition |
| 22:30.52 | jim | yes |
| 22:30.54 | Pyro_Lith | how can I install sarge from my hdd? |
| 22:31.05 | blujay | mo1991: I would try 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 if I were you, I've never had any problems with them |
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| 22:31.06 | mo1991 | blujay, i'll try a unstable or testing kernel first i guess tho |
| 22:31.09 | jim | you do, but the one for your kernel (has your uname -r in package name) |
| 22:31.12 | Pyro_Lith | I can't get the lilo script right... anyone know how the script should look? thier doc sucked... |
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| 22:31.30 | mo1991 | blujay, cool, i'll try one - are they in testing or unstable |
| 22:31.39 | jim | Pyro_Lith, funny... I was (eventually) able to get it :) |
| 22:31.46 | blujay | mo1991: testing |
| 22:31.52 | Pyro_Lith | you have the script on hand? |
| 22:32.03 | jim | yeah |
| 22:32.05 | jim | I think |
| 22:32.07 | ixion^^ | could someone please tell me how to get an interface into promiscous mode? |
| 22:32.07 | ma3x | s_ward did you say something? |
| 22:32.11 | jim | but I switched to grub :) |
| 22:32.20 | ixion^^ | um promiscuous |
| 22:32.23 | jim | I don't think I deleted my script |
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| 22:32.29 | Pyro_Lith | I don't like grub... its mean.. |
| 22:32.39 | jim | true dat. I use lilo and grub :) |
| 22:32.40 | mo1991 | blujay, thanks - i'm aptin now |
| 22:32.47 | Pyro_Lith | is it going to be some simple script thats going to make me feel stupid for missing some minute detail? |
| 22:32.53 | blujay | mo1991: np, gl |
| 22:32.57 | jim | hmm, but it's also pretty cool for two reasons... |
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| 22:33.10 | jim | one, it finds your kernel and initrd image by -name- |
| 22:33.26 | s_ward | ma3x, err, I'm stuck |
| 22:33.32 | jim | two, it has a shell so you can experiment and try to boot other things |
| 22:33.33 | ma3x | s_ward, get unstuck |
| 22:33.50 | jim | but your choice. |
| 22:33.51 | s_ward | ma3x, damn glue |
| 22:34.04 | ma3x | s_ward, you didn't watch american pie 2, did ya? |
| 22:34.33 | jim | just hit it with a weapons-grade laser... that will get rid of the superglue! |
| 22:34.41 | Pyro_Lith | haha |
| 22:34.44 | s_ward | ma3x, no |
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| 22:34.50 | ma3x | jim, you been watching startwars again? |
| 22:35.01 | ma3x | for the 5th time? |
| 22:35.04 | ma3x | :s |
| 22:35.06 | jim | nono, that's what superglue is for |
| 22:35.26 | ma3x | where did you get that weapons-grade laser from? |
| 22:35.48 | jim | it was made for holding parts together temporary, then when you laser weld it, the superglue disintegrates |
| 22:36.01 | Ronin | ma3x: from the frickin sharks with lasers on thier heads |
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| 22:36.16 | jim | damn sharks |
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| 22:36.21 | ma3x | there we go, another geek just watched THe Island |
| 22:36.34 | Ronin | nope not the island |
| 22:36.46 | zentz | does anybody know if there is already a .deb package of openssl 0.9.8? |
| 22:36.48 | ma3x | hey that johannson is HOT! |
| 22:37.14 | ma3x | she almost made a car accident, when she saw her boobs on a billboard (while driving) |
| 22:37.19 | Pyro_Lith | can you send me that script jim? |
| 22:37.29 | jim | let me dig it up |
| 22:37.32 | s_ward | ma3x, just realised, you said the MBR was gone, so shouldn't grub be installed on /dev/hda ? (I'm not sure, btw) |
| 22:37.35 | Pyro_Lith | thanks man |
| 22:37.53 | jim | oops, permission denied! |
| 22:38.02 | ma3x | s_ward, still gettin that error Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 22:38.09 | zopeti | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.23 | zentz | does anybody know if there is already a .deb package of openssl 0.9.8? |
| 22:38.53 | braniff | does madwifi work with 2.6.12-1-686 on debian ?? i keep getting "Invalid module format" errors |
| 22:39.01 | s_ward | ma3x, you might need to specify --root-directory= |
| 22:39.39 | jim | yeah, you should be able to learn something from this... but!! I boot differently from most, because I want to... so my boot concepts are a little different |
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| 22:40.00 | jim | you're still going to have to look at the docs to see and understand what I did |
| 22:40.09 | jim | as long as that's understood... |
| 22:40.12 | baikonur | why are there packages (e.g. inkscape) that are available in a new fixed version only on certain platforms (alpha,mips,mipsel,powerpc). When do versions for other platforms appear and how does this process work? |
| 22:40.19 | ma3x | s_ward, didnt help |
| 22:40.32 | Pyro_Lith | yeah, I'll probably change it a bit just cause I'm a tard like that... |
| 22:40.36 | ma3x | let me reboot and try linux root=(hd0,0) |
| 22:40.44 | mo1991 | blujay, seems to have fixed the problem with 2.6.11 |
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| 22:41.13 | s_ward | ma3x, well, I was skimming over the grub-install info page, I suggest you read it more thoroughly than I did |
| 22:41.30 | ma3x | s_ward, the manpage? |
| 22:42.03 | s_ward | ma3x, there is a man page, but I was looking at the info page: info grub-install |
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| 22:43.01 | s_ward | !infopages |
| 22:43.01 | dpkg | infopages are the man pages on crack..RMS says they are good, what about you(you don't want to be a facist do you?) |
| 22:43.32 | ma3x | s_ward, i did it |
| 22:43.40 | ma3x | just opened the prompt of grub> |
| 22:43.50 | hax | do gpg and ssh keys work together? |
| 22:43.51 | hax | s/do/can/ |
| 22:43.56 | ma3x | and then root (hd0,0) followed by setup (hd0) |
| 22:44.04 | ma3x | lemme reboot and celebrate |
| 22:44.08 | s_ward | ma3x, congrats :) |
| 22:44.43 | ma3x | not yet, hold on |
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| 22:45.31 | jim | http://jam.sessionsnet.org/files/file?file_id=7458 |
| 22:45.34 | Tye_ | The new CD installer is amazing. I'm very impressed by it. |
| 22:45.43 | s_ward | hax, I doubt it very much, different algorithms, unless you mean something else? |
| 22:46.02 | hax | s_ward: the public/private keys, i mean |
| 22:46.10 | zinx | hax: no |
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| 22:46.22 | hax | they're both rsa keys though, right? |
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| 22:46.50 | jim | Tye: from floppies, you configure the net very early, it downloads most of itself, then starts |
| 22:46.55 | zinx | hax: depends on what you choose :P |
| 22:47.11 | hax | zinx: well, i mean, can i use my gpg key for ssh? |
| 22:47.14 | Tye_ | jin: I took the small CD version (100MB), this laptop lakcs a floppy |
| 22:47.14 | hax | zinx: or the other way around... |
| 22:47.16 | zinx | hax: gpg can use several types, and openssh can use a couple of types |
| 22:47.20 | hax | zinx: i'd like to just have one private key |
| 22:47.21 | Pyro_Lith | Thanks alot jim |
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| 22:47.31 | Tye_ | I just setup X, and it crashes. Which tool do I use to try to reconfigure it? |
| 22:47.37 | zinx | hax: even if they are the same RSA keys, which you can do, they'll still be different files |
| 22:47.40 | Phated | !drxx Tye_ |
| 22:47.42 | dpkg | Tye_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:48.02 | hax | zinx: how do i make them the same rsa keys? i already have my ssh rsa and it works |
| 22:48.14 | jim | btw, that's the file storage module on a web application framework I've been playing with... |
| 22:48.29 | jim | basically you create urls, and then mount applications on them |
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| 22:48.35 | Tye_ | That's the one, thanks Phated |
| 22:48.41 | zinx | hax: it's not going to be trivial.. you'll have to figure out the format for both the openssh key files and gpg key files, and convert it manually from ssh to gpg |
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| 22:48.48 | Pyro_Lith | you have alot going on lilo....! :) |
| 22:48.57 | zinx | hax: it's a far smarter idea to simply generate a new key with gpg |
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| 22:49.08 | zinx | hax: it's not only easier, but it's more secure :/ |
| 22:49.08 | Phated | Cool, debhelper kicks on /notice flood, too. |
| 22:49.09 | hax | zinx: okay |
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| 22:49.13 | hax | zinx: fair enough |
| 22:49.18 | hax | zinx: i'll do that then |
| 22:49.30 | jim | !ops Dudowicz purposely flooded channel; consider a ban |
| 22:49.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Dudowicz purposely flooded channel; consider a ban |
| 22:49.54 | Pyro_Lith | nice PW jim :) |
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| 22:50.38 | jim | Pyro: the file doesn't necessarily get you any closer... but it does explain some things |
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| 22:50.52 | astronut | jim: better to get him klined |
| 22:51.05 | jim | well they can decide that, but I agree |
| 22:51.15 | jim | him and fatalis__ |
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| 22:51.23 | Tye_ | I get "failed to initialize core devices". It couldn't be because I'm trying to start it with "startx", could it? |
| 22:51.31 | s_ward | they'll just look at the lastlog, and take it where they need |
| 22:52.29 | jim | oh, you mean in the lilo.conf? |
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| 22:52.39 | jim | isn't that commented out? :) |
| 22:53.00 | jim | isn't it soemthing like thisIsMyLiloPassword? |
| 22:53.08 | mo1991 | blujay, can you tell me how to remove a soundcard using the 2.6.11 kernel - I have three loaded and the program needs there to be just 2 cards - not sure if its in modules.conf or what to load these cards |
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| 22:53.52 | Pyro_Lith | tatercounter2000 |
| 22:53.55 | jim | oh, tatercounter2000... you'd replace that with your own |
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| 22:54.05 | dimm0k | with kernel 2.4.x on a notebook, the HD is seen as hda... with 2.6.x it's seen as sda? |
| 22:54.07 | jim | that's what you get when you install the lilo package |
| 22:54.30 | jim | must have been installed in the days of debian potato |
| 22:54.39 | s_ward | Tye_, your problem has been reported in bug #317626 (and subsequently closed) |
| 22:54.39 | mo1991 | can anyone tell me what file I need to edit with a 2.6 kernel to remove a soundcard from loading? |
| 22:54.58 | mo1991 | when I do a modprobe -r snd-ali5451 I get a module in use error |
| 22:55.00 | Pyro_Lith | my mandrake lilo conf is alot simpler.. |
| 22:55.07 | jim | (I guess they were trying to imply debian was a vegitable... but I dunno:) |
| 22:55.14 | drac | mo1991: remove from /etc/modules or add to /etc/hotplug/blacklist. |
| 22:55.39 | Tye_ | s_ward: I'd better look at it again, more closely |
| 22:56.12 | Pyro_Lith | lets see what this scripting does... |
| 22:56.30 | jim | warning: you might not have the same setup I do! |
| 22:56.45 | mo1991 | drac - is there a command line I can use to unload it and reload it - I would like to do this on the fly rather than from boot - used to do a modprobe -r to remove the card but now says in use |
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| 22:57.00 | jim | (for example, did you notice that the default is to boot from hdb?) |
| 22:57.08 | Pyro_Lith | I didn't use your conf... I just added some stuff to mine.. |
| 22:57.11 | mo1991 | drac - is it not possible to remove it like this with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:57.14 | jim | ahh :) |
| 22:57.16 | chealer | s_ward: similar symptoms were reported; unlikely the same problem |
| 22:57.16 | jim | cool |
| 22:57.37 | Pyro_Lith | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01 |
| 22:57.47 | Pyro_Lith | thats my new error... any ideas? |
| 22:57.51 | jim | why would anyone want to do something on a fly?! |
| 22:57.59 | hax | dpkg: gpg-agent? |
| 22:58.10 | hax | hmm |
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| 22:58.23 | parityflag | hi |
| 22:58.24 | jim | Pyro_Lith: scsi? |
| 22:58.35 | hax | does debian have gpg-agent? |
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| 22:58.42 | Pyro_Lith | nope |
| 22:58.47 | parityflag | how can I see which packets depend on a certain package? |
| 22:58.59 | kadigibox | Is there a package where I can burn DVDs to more then one DVD drive at once? |
| 22:59.03 | jim | it's trying to boot from /dev/sda |
| 22:59.22 | Pyro_Lith | I'm thinking I should add something like "root=/dev/hda" but won't I get bitched at for having mandrake there without a specific reference? |
| 22:59.39 | suBgavity | kadigibox: dvd+rw-tools |
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| 22:59.45 | jim | your root is the entire drive?? |
| 22:59.46 | s_ward | hax, /msg dpkg search |
| 22:59.47 | stew | hax: yes gnupg-agent ; /msg dpkg search |
| 23:00.00 | Pyro_Lith | no |
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| 23:00.05 | kadigibox | suBgavity, but that I only noticed you can burn to ONE drive at a time |
| 23:00.07 | stew | Pyro_Lith: apt-cache rdepends package |
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| 23:00.14 | stew | err parityflag ^^^ |
| 23:00.25 | hax | got it |
| 23:00.39 | jim | you should put the root= line in each boot stanza, not outside... then you can boot different linuxes or whichever |
| 23:00.45 | Tye_ | !xmd5 tye_ |
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| 23:01.01 | chealer | Tye_: try /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 23:01.06 | Pyro_Lith | what should I have it reference? |
| 23:01.23 | jim | are you -replacing- your mandrake? |
| 23:01.28 | parityflag | stew: ? |
| 23:01.29 | jim | or what? |
| 23:01.40 | Pyro_Lith | yeah, either that or killing my windows partition either is fine. |
| 23:01.51 | stew | parityflag: apt-cache rdepends packagename |
| 23:01.59 | jim | but wait... so you haven't installed yet? |
| 23:02.19 | parityflag | stew: thank you very much |
| 23:02.36 | jim | we shoudl back up all the way... what do you want to do? :) |
| 23:02.37 | Pyro_Lith | debian; no.. |
| 23:02.56 | Pyro_Lith | just get debian to install from my hdd |
| 23:03.03 | jim | -from-? |
| 23:03.10 | jim | or on? |
| 23:03.13 | Tye_ | Thanks chealer. Sigh, I don't know how to try and get X running. |
| 23:03.20 | jim | oic |
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| 23:03.26 | jim | I think I understand nwo |
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| 23:04.04 | jim | so you have a linux installed already... |
| 23:04.12 | Pyro_Lith | from;on |
| 23:04.19 | Pyro_Lith | yeah I have mandrake 10.1 |
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| 23:04.33 | jim | and what you want is to start a zero-floppy and zero-cdrom install |
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| 23:04.47 | Pyro_Lith | yeah |
| 23:04.54 | FieldySnuts | e |
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| 23:05.09 | Pyro_Lith | no fdd, cdrom is busted, debian doesn't recognize my nic |
| 23:05.13 | jim | ok, I don't exactly know how to do that, but the install guide has all the instructions for that |
| 23:05.23 | FieldySnuts | ~rube goldberg install |
| 23:05.27 | jim | uhoh |
| 23:05.28 | FieldySnuts | @rube goldberg install |
| 23:05.28 | ravenbird | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 23:05.30 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
| 23:05.37 | jim | that's going to be a little difficult |
| 23:05.46 | Pyro_Lith | nice raven.. |
| 23:05.55 | FieldySnuts | apt: rube goldberg install is <reply> "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 23:05.55 | apt | okay, FieldySnuts |
| 23:06.13 | jim | I had less... I installed debian on an imsai 8080... |
| 23:06.17 | Pyro_Lith | yeah I tried going by the install guide word for word but no luck |
| 23:06.23 | jim | through the switches on the front panel! |
| 23:06.30 | jim | took me about a year... |
| 23:06.35 | shingouz | jim: does that one run on steam? |
| 23:06.40 | astronut | can you move filters from one account to another in moz tbird? |
| 23:06.44 | FieldySnuts | i have a bag full of banks of 8 toggle switches, i'm sure you can imagine what those once were |
| 23:06.51 | karsten__ | Pyro_Lith: Chroot install under MDK or park the drive in another box and install there. |
| 23:07.07 | jim | shingouz, saw "War Games"? |
| 23:07.20 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: mandrake does see the nic you have? |
| 23:07.24 | Pyro_Lith | its a laptop.. kinda hard to switch the drive.. |
| 23:07.25 | shingouz | jim: yup i did |
| 23:07.32 | jim | the kids had noe |
| 23:07.34 | karsten | Pyro_Lith: Bollux. |
| 23:07.35 | jim | err |
| 23:07.39 | jim | the kids had one |
| 23:07.41 | Pyro_Lith | sorta :) with driverloader it sees it |
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| 23:07.54 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: ndiswrapper? |
| 23:07.56 | karsten | Pyro_Lith: There are drive conversion kits. Note that resolving this situation is *your* problem. |
| 23:08.10 | zopeti | quit |
| 23:08.29 | jim | Pyro_Lith, is this a laptop? |
| 23:08.32 | Pyro_Lith | yeah I know karsten... |
| 23:08.36 | Pyro_Lith | yes jim |
| 23:08.50 | jim | do you have a wired eth interface in it? |
| 23:08.56 | Pyro_Lith | yes |
| 23:08.59 | shingouz | debootstrap install with a chroot? |
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| 23:09.08 | karsten | shingouz: That's my call. |
| 23:09.13 | jim | do you know which chipset? |
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| 23:09.26 | shingouz | i just fear the ndiswrapper there |
| 23:09.35 | Pyro_Lith | no |
| 23:09.39 | mo1991 | where do I remove an alsa sound module in 2.6 kernel |
| 23:09.43 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: what laptop is that |
| 23:09.50 | karsten | mo1991: rmmod. Or modify /etc/modules |
| 23:09.52 | Pyro_Lith | dell c610 |
| 23:09.53 | jim | are you in mandrake on that laptop now? |
| 23:10.01 | Pyro_Lith | yes jim |
| 23:10.06 | shingouz | mo1991: modprobe -r modulename |
| 23:10.07 | jim | try lspci |
| 23:10.17 | mo1991 | karsten - it's the ali5451 alsa soundcard |
| 23:10.24 | jim | see if it sees your net card |
| 23:10.29 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 23:10.33 | mo1991 | karsten |
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| 23:10.38 | jim | you -also- have a wireless? |
| 23:10.46 | mo1991 | shingouz - it says module in use when I do either command |
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| 23:10.59 | Pyro_Lith | 3com 3c905c |
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| 23:11.05 | jim | oh, that's easy |
| 23:11.07 | mo1991 | also - it doesn't list either card in /etc/modules |
| 23:11.21 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: that is sometihng on a laptop? |
| 23:11.34 | Pyro_Lith | yeah |
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| 23:11.48 | mo1991 | shingouz - any idea what would be using this card that I can't remove it? - used to just be able to remove it with 2.4 kernel |
| 23:11.49 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: you sure? iirc that is pci |
| 23:11.56 | jim | shingouz, that's easy, isn't it? |
| 23:11.58 | shingouz | mo1991: some sound app? |
| 23:12.09 | rixth | Okay guys. I have an announcment. |
| 23:12.13 | Pyro_Lith | shingouz: huh? |
| 23:12.17 | shingouz | jim: what is easy? this particular rube goldberg? |
| 23:12.18 | jim | you're pregnant?! |
| 23:12.29 | jim | the net card driver |
| 23:12.38 | mo1991 | shingouz - the only sound app I have is volume control on the start bar - do I need to close this program? |
| 23:12.40 | rixth | I just registered hashdebian.org (other channels have a site, hashphp.org etc). Any feature requests? |
| 23:12.42 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: i think that is a pci card, not a pcmcia card |
| 23:12.57 | karsten | rixth: a bong. |
| 23:12.58 | Pyro_Lith | yeah its built in |
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| 23:13.02 | shingouz | mo1991: try to close and remove the module after that |
| 23:13.19 | jim | rixth: openacs!! |
| 23:13.21 | karsten | mo1991: To unload a module you have to deactivate everything using it. |
| 23:13.22 | shingouz | !tell Pyro_Lith about laptop |
| 23:13.27 | karsten | mo1991: Not sure if there's a way to go about doing that. |
| 23:13.44 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: check the link dpkg told you about, maybe there is something about the situation |
| 23:13.48 | Pyro_Lith | I have a pcmcia orinoco wireless card though I doubt that helps anything... |
| 23:13.56 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: in anycase the 3com is a piece of cake |
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| 23:14.14 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: that helps. orinoco-cs and it jsut works |
| 23:14.58 | rixth | jim, well, what I have in mind right now is a pastebin & CGIIRC |
| 23:15.09 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: of course if you think you cannot use it, put it in an envelope and send it to me, i can use another orinoco ;) |
| 23:15.23 | Pyro_Lith | how can I start a network install without a cd or disk? |
| 23:15.32 | Pyro_Lith | want my cantenna too shingouz? |
| 23:15.47 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: boot onto 'drake and use debootstrap to install |
| 23:16.06 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: i have a few directionals already. and omnis for that matter |
| 23:16.21 | shingouz | !tell Pyro_Lith about chroot install |
| 23:16.33 | Pyro_Lith | I'd like to make an omni but from what I hear they're not worth the trouble.. |
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| 23:16.46 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: depends on what you do with it |
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| 23:17.12 | mo1991 | karsten - I can now remove the module after stopping the volume app - new probem - when I remove snd-ali5451 using modprobe -r snd-ali5451 both of my usb soundcards get removed as well - do you think alsa somehow lumped all my soundcards into this one ali5451 module? Previously i could remove ali5451 and the usb devices would still be there? |
| 23:17.18 | songpenguin | hello |
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| 23:18.01 | Pyro_Lith | this is really getting annoying... |
| 23:18.08 | ceL_ | anyway to use debootstrap to grab slackware? |
| 23:18.11 | ceL_ | or something |
| 23:18.13 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: what is getting annoying? |
| 23:18.15 | songpenguin | is it just me or is freenode really really lagging? |
| 23:18.28 | peterS | mo1991: that's crazy. snd-usb-audio should not be affected by snd-ali5451 |
| 23:18.29 | shingouz | ceL_: who cares about slack. this is #debian |
| 23:18.31 | Pyro_Lith | trying to get this to install...' |
| 23:18.39 | shingouz | songpenguin: it is just you |
| 23:18.41 | ajpr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:18.44 | suBgavity | How to install debian using tftp-boot? |
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| 23:19.04 | songpenguin | shingouz: hmm, oh well |
| 23:19.05 | shingouz | suBgavity: i think the install manual has something to tell you about it |
| 23:19.06 | Pyro_Lith | if I could get to that point it would be alright sub... |
| 23:19.10 | ajpr | ive got a SB16 pci |
| 23:19.27 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: did you read what dpkg told you? there is a nice link to a good wiki |
| 23:19.29 | suBgavity | shingouz: where can I find the manual, please help me out. |
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| 23:19.47 | songpenguin | what is the difference between kernel-source and kernel-tree packages? |
| 23:20.00 | shingouz | !tell suBgavity about ig |
| 23:20.08 | miguel | do you have some line to add to mi sourcelist for mplayer? |
| 23:20.28 | exobyte | Is there a way to pipe stderr to the stdin of another program |
| 23:20.29 | shingouz | songpenguin: do you really need to compile a custom kernel? are you *sure* you need a custom kernel? |
| 23:20.39 | shingouz | !tell miguel about marillat |
| 23:20.40 | s_ward | ajpr, alsaconf |
| 23:20.49 | ajpr | ok thanks s_ward |
| 23:21.16 | songpenguin | shingouz: yes, I really want a cousom kernel, I have been using coustom kernels for years (with different distros) and I just feel more comfortable with them |
| 23:21.51 | suBgavity | shingouz: cool, have you installed debian using tftp-boot? just wondering |
| 23:21.53 | shingouz | songpenguin: in that case you should know how to get and configure the source. /msg dpkg k-p |
| 23:22.02 | shingouz | suBgavity: no i have not |
| 23:22.17 | songpenguin | shingouz: thanks, I heard deb does kernels a bit differently |
| 23:22.23 | jose__ | I'm creating a debian packages, I did all the basics things.. but when the Makefile tries to install a file in /usr/share/applications/MyFirstApp.desktop (actually is /home/jose/Projects/monouml-0.1.20050707/debian/monouml/usr/share/applications/monouml.desktop) it fails due /home/jose/Projects/monouml-0.1.20050707/debian/monouml/usr/share/ doesn't exist.. where is the best place to create it? |
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| 23:22.45 | shingouz | songpenguin: you can still use the old way but it is just a hell of a lot easier to work with make-kpkg and dpkg |
| 23:23.01 | songpenguin | shingouz: yeah, thanks |
| 23:23.04 | Pyro_Lith | this would be much easier if I had a working cdrom |
| 23:23.12 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: get one ;) |
| 23:23.39 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: did you read the chroot install docs? it is all there |
| 23:24.06 | Tye_ | If I was to try to start a program from a menu of my window manager, and there was a problem, to which log file would that be written? |
| 23:24.24 | miguel | shingouz, marillat dosn't work |
| 23:24.49 | shingouz | Tye_: to the log the program has. or you could always start the app in a terminal and look what errors happen there |
| 23:25.02 | shingouz | miguel: and doesn't work means what? |
| 23:25.12 | Pyro_Lith | yeah theres alot in the chroot doc though... going through all that is going to take some beer... |
| 23:25.25 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: and tylenol |
| 23:25.37 | Pyro_Lith | If I still lived in florida getting a new cdrom would be easy... but I'm in bfe ohio.. no dell store... |
| 23:25.40 | Tye_ | shingouz: Yeah, that's what I did, just curious if there is a standard way. Thanks! |
| 23:25.48 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: you will have to do most of the configs yourself though |
| 23:25.56 | Pyro_Lith | know of an easy way to get it to run from an external cdrom without bios allowing usb booting? |
| 23:26.00 | miguel | shingouz, W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 23:26.00 | miguel | W: Tal vez quiera ejecutar 'apt-get update' para corregir estos problemas |
| 23:26.02 | ajpr | hmm i type in alsaconf and nothing happens |
| 23:26.12 | shingouz | miguel: boot off a floppy |
| 23:26.14 | s_ward | !es |
| 23:26.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:26.31 | s_ward | *ahem* sorry |
| 23:26.35 | shingouz | miguel: disregard the floppy |
| 23:26.45 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: boot off a floppy |
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| 23:26.57 | Pyro_Lith | I haven't had a floppy drive in years.. |
| 23:26.59 | shingouz | miguel: what does the error mean |
| 23:27.09 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: boot off a usb stick then |
| 23:27.18 | Pyro_Lith | how? |
| 23:27.29 | Pyro_Lith | my bios doesn't have a usb boot option.. |
| 23:28.05 | exobyte | Will this grep stderr, or will stderr be sent to /dev/null? foo 1>/dev/null 2>&1 | grep "whatever" |
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| 23:28.19 | shingouz | Pyro_Lith: then you have to either get a floppy, get a working cdrom, pull the hd and install off the laptop or do a debootstrap/chroot install off mandrake |
| 23:28.30 | s_ward | Pyro_Lith, I'd get some beer and go through that doc |
| 23:28.36 | miguel | shingouz, don't know! |
| 23:29.01 | shingouz | miguel: and i do not speap spanish so i think this will not work |
| 23:29.06 | shingouz | speak even |
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| 23:29.24 | shingouz | miguel: ah. you pasted two things. damn |
| 23:29.30 | s_ward | "Perhaps updaté wants to execute ' apt-get to correct these problems" |
| 23:29.35 | shingouz | miguel: let me guess, you run Sid? |
| 23:29.40 | miguel | s0rry |
| 23:29.46 | Pyro_Lith | I don't know how to do the debootstrap thing.. |
| 23:29.48 | miguel | shingouz, i have ubuntu |
| 23:29.57 | shingouz | miguel: then ask in #ubuntu |
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| 23:30.04 | miguel | ok |
| 23:30.17 | shingouz | miguel: i do not run ubuntu and i do not know how to use ubuntu. this is #debian |
| 23:31.15 | miguel | shingouz, ubuntu is based on debian |
| 23:31.35 | s_ward | !ubuntu |
| 23:31.35 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 23:31.36 | shingouz | !based on debian |
| 23:31.36 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:31.48 | shingouz | can i use a lart? please? |
| 23:31.59 | deadcat | shingouz: yes . please do |
| 23:31.59 | songpenguin | shingouz: ubuntu is basically debian but with more sucky ;-) no offence miguel |
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| 23:32.07 | shingouz | ah. goodie |
| 23:32.12 | shingouz | !lart miguel |
| 23:32.16 | shingouz | woohoo :) |
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| 23:32.28 | miguel | shingouz, ok, i got it, thanks anyway |
| 23:32.33 | shingouz | :) |
| 23:32.40 | UnKnowN_ | Um |
| 23:32.40 | ma3x | he chopped you in two pieces! |
| 23:32.52 | ma3x | what you thank for? |
| 23:32.56 | UnKnowN_ | k3b is not detecting my burner |
| 23:33.02 | UnKnowN_ | How can it refresh its devices |
| 23:33.03 | s_ward | Pyro_Lith, "don't know how to do the debootstrap thing" -- then learn, pleeeeeeeaaaaase! |
| 23:33.19 | songpenguin | someone should update that, lindows is now called "linspire" |
| 23:33.26 | songpenguin | and it still sucks |
| 23:33.30 | s_ward | Pyro_Lith, http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 23:33.31 | gravity | Yeah, but everyone still knows it as lindows |
| 23:33.43 | songpenguin | true |
| 23:34.18 | s_ward | and Pyro_Lith, if that's not enough, read through those Debian chroot docs you were told to |
| 23:35.19 | UnKnowN_ | can anyone help me with burning cd and dvds |
| 23:35.54 | songpenguin | UnKnowN_ whats the problem |
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| 23:36.19 | UnKnowN_ | k3b cant see any devices |
| 23:36.28 | d | can I downgrade my kernel through apt-get? |
| 23:36.36 | songpenguin | UnKnowN_: 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:36.39 | UnKnowN_ | d: I wouldn't try |
| 23:36.42 | aktinos | a |
| 23:36.43 | UnKnowN_ | 2.6 :/ |
| 23:36.55 | d | UnKnowN_: i have to, 2.6.12 doesnt support some of my hardware |
| 23:36.58 | ajpr | does anyone have slow dns in debian? |
| 23:37.04 | songpenguin | UnKnowN_: does cdrecord work without k3b? |
| 23:37.17 | s_ward | d, you can install multiple kernels, and select between them |
| 23:37.20 | UnKnowN_ | let me check |
| 23:37.30 | d | s_ward: okay |
| 23:37.42 | s_ward | d, just install another kernel package, make sure your bootloader is updated |
| 23:37.43 | shingouz | d: and what possible exotic hardware do you have. just curious |
| 23:37.43 | UnKnowN_ | yeah it works i think |
| 23:37.46 | songpenguin | d: that's odd, I thought that 2.6 had everything 2.4 had |
| 23:37.55 | Agrajag- | anyone here have any experience setting up 2 keyboards to be the input for 2 different X screens? |
| 23:38.16 | UnKnowN_ | Im never installing any of these unstable Live-on-cd distributions again |
| 23:38.21 | d | well, its my graphics card, flgrx doesnt have a 2.6.12 version, and Im not talking about 2.6 -> 2.4, but 2.6.12 -> 2.6.11 |
| 23:38.28 | UnKnowN_ | They cause wayyyyyy to much trouble |
| 23:38.34 | songpenguin | UnKnowN_: you using knoppix or something? |
| 23:38.35 | shingouz | UnKnowN_: what distro you have there now? |
| 23:38.41 | s_ward | d, you should be fine |
| 23:38.45 | UnKnowN_ | Knoppix :/ |
| 23:38.50 | shingouz | #knoppix |
| 23:38.54 | songpenguin | UnKnowN_: lol |
| 23:38.55 | UnKnowN_ | Nobody there |
| 23:38.59 | s_ward | !knoppix |
| 23:38.59 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 23:39.02 | shingouz | !they don't know |
| 23:39.02 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 23:39.06 | d | s_ward: should be.. but glxinfo -> direct rendering: no |
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| 23:39.16 | d | and module-assistant cant build a package |
| 23:39.23 | shingouz | UnKnowN_: i guess you get the point ;) |
| 23:39.30 | d | which worked flawless in .11 |
| 23:39.46 | s_ward | d, I meant it should be fine downgrading :) |
| 23:39.53 | ajpr | can anyone tell me how to speed up dns lookups...its taking about 5 seconds for a single lookup |
| 23:39.54 | d | s_ward: oh :D |
| 23:39.56 | shingouz | d: just use the .11 then |
| 23:40.01 | d | i plan on it :D |
| 23:40.02 | d | OH |
| 23:40.05 | d | i had another question |
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| 23:40.26 | d | i got the moduel loaded (sata_promise) the mods are in lsmod, but.. I STILL cant see my hard drives |
| 23:40.27 | d | any ideas? |
| 23:40.39 | s_ward | !any ideas |
| 23:40.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and 42 rabid hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 23:40.45 | d | ha! |
| 23:40.46 | shingouz | yea, i go get some caffeine about now |
| 23:40.47 | s_ward | err |
| 23:41.09 | ajpr | the only other problem i have is a total lack of sound |
| 23:41.22 | exobyte | Is there a program that reads from stdin and sends it to the syslog? |
| 23:41.23 | ajpr | actually i lie, pc speaker seems to work |
| 23:41.32 | d | s_ward: http://www.kernel.org/hg/linux-2.6/?cmd=filediff;node=e754884340df94746ef07a18232a4da674dede0e;file=drivers/scsi/sata_promise.c i have that file on my computer, (in my tree) it *should* work, right? |
| 23:41.33 | s_ward | d, what does dmesg say about the module or the HDDs? |
| 23:41.46 | d | http://www.kernel.org/hg/linux-2.6/?cmd=filediff;node=e754884340df94746ef07a18232a4da674dede0e;file=drivers/scsi/sata_promise.c |
| 23:41.48 | d | errr sorry |
| 23:41.54 | d | ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 |
| 23:41.55 | d | ISOFS: changing to secondary root |
| 23:41.57 | Tye_ | Upon starting Firefox I get "Xlib: connection to ":0:0" refused by server \\ XDM authorization key matches an existing client" I'm a bit stumped |
| 23:41.57 | shingouz | d: no, that is a source file |
| 23:42.05 | d | i know, wrong clipboard |
| 23:42.17 | marc | exobyte: logger |
| 23:42.40 | exobyte | marc: time to rtfm it. thx |
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| 23:43.17 | madradrone | ajpr: generally there is no slow dns, only slow network. or maybe one of the servers in your resolv.conf is not actually up? |
| 23:43.38 | ajpr | hmm strange |
| 23:43.46 | ajpr | i have 200k/s+ download speed |
| 23:44.06 | ajpr | but accessing a new domain name takes 5 seconds |
| 23:44.07 | madradrone | ajpr: or you could run a caching/forwarding nameserver on your local net to speed things up |
| 23:44.11 | shingouz | ajpr: that has nothing to do with it |
| 23:44.25 | ajpr | ok |
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| 23:44.56 | ajpr | so the networking isnt setup correctly? |
| 23:45.06 | s_ward | uhm, d, I'm lost |
| 23:45.14 | s_ward | d, please find me |
| 23:45.26 | shingouz | ajpr: the dns is too far or one of the servers is down |
| 23:45.31 | LinuxN00B | That suits my name |
| 23:45.39 | ajpr | which server is down? |
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| 23:45.49 | ajpr | this machine works fine |
| 23:45.49 | shingouz | ajpr: the name server |
| 23:45.54 | daedalus_ | ajpr: probably your first one. Check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:46.02 | ajpr | ok thanks |
| 23:46.08 | d | s_ward: it finds ISO 9660 filesystems |
| 23:46.16 | daedalus_ | ajpr: its' probably taking some time to failover to the second nameserver |
| 23:46.39 | d | s_ward: now I just need to figure out how to make linux read them (which is weird, because /hdc1/ is a Joliet fs and it mounts fine |
| 23:46.47 | s_ward | d, any chance of changing your name to something else, like d_, or dee, or something -- /lastlog utters everything with 'd' in it |
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| 23:47.04 | ajpr | ok i see daedalus_ |
| 23:47.12 | ajpr | i have 192.168.0.1 as my first |
| 23:47.24 | shingouz | D-: thanks. helps even tabcompletion |
| 23:47.34 | D- | shingouz: np :) |
| 23:48.05 | ajpr | well this is odd |
| 23:48.06 | s_ward | cheers, D- |
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| 23:48.28 | ajpr | my redhat machine has the same resolve.conf as m debian machine, but the debian machine loads pages so much slower |
| 23:48.32 | shingouz | ajpr: that is probably your router meaning something is wrong in the router or the nameservers your router uses |
| 23:48.48 | shingouz | ajpr: loads the pages? that is another thing again |
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| 23:49.33 | daedalus_ | ajpr: run host google.com (or some other funktastic name that wouldn't be cached) and see how long it takes. |
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| 23:49.38 | s_ward | D-, your filesystem is Joliet? Or are you getting a CD there? |
| 23:49.58 | ajpr | ok |
| 23:50.23 | n0op | where do i find the xfree86 config file? |
| 23:50.41 | D- | s_ward: its my raid arrays, I have 2 (4 hdds) connected (they are formated under windows and have all my mp3s/divx etc on them) |
| 23:50.55 | daedalus_ | !drxx noOp |
| 23:50.56 | dpkg | noOp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:51.00 | ajpr | hmm when i do host someaddress.net |
| 23:51.05 | ajpr | it replies quickly |
| 23:51.12 | ajpr | with the ip |
| 23:51.36 | shingouz | !tell ajpr about enter |
| 23:51.41 | daedalus_ | ajpr:then it is not your nameservers |
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| 23:52.06 | Gandalfar | hello, how can I find out all packages that depend on certain package? |
| 23:52.25 | shingouz | Gandalfar: apt-cache show package |
| 23:52.37 | Gandalfar | shingouz: no, read it again :) |
| 23:52.39 | n0op | daedalus_ thing is every time i run that utility i must do something wrong because after reboot it comes back saying cannot find screens or something |
| 23:52.40 | Kvant | Gandalfar, apt-cache rdepends pkg-name |
| 23:52.48 | ajpr | thank you shinld it begouz. daedalus_ then what cou |
| 23:52.53 | ajpr | oops |
| 23:53.01 | Gandalfar | Kvant: thanks |
| 23:53.04 | n0op | i guess i need to work that shit out... |
| 23:53.14 | Gandalfar | Kvant: that is archive wide or system-wide? |
| 23:53.28 | Kvant | archive wide |
| 23:53.42 | daedalus_ | nOop: read your xfree86 logfile |
| 23:53.51 | daedalus_ | !logfile |
| 23:53.51 | dpkg | Back in the good old days, we would just look in the system log file to see what was really going on. The new crowd of Linux users would rather not have to do that, however; they expect the system to tell them, politely, that their hardware is on fire and that they are about to deeply regret not having run any backups since sometime last winter. Logs are typically found in /var/log/ |
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| 23:54.08 | n0op | haha |
| 23:54.09 | shingouz | !tell n0op about no screens found |
| 23:54.10 | ajpr | thank you shingouz. daedalus_ then what could the problem possibly be then? |
| 23:55.11 | daedalus_ | ajpr: Uh... slow network. FUBAR routing. Bad browser. |
| 23:55.20 | shingouz | ajpr: from the information you have so far given us, almost anything. i suspect a slower computer to begin with, even that tends to show in the apparent d/l times |
| 23:55.44 | fas3r | hi all |
| 23:55.46 | D- | anyone know how I can read this filesystem (raid drives) in linux? |
| 23:55.47 | D- | ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 |
| 23:55.47 | D- | ISOFS: changing to secondary root |
| 23:55.52 | shingouz | ajpr: ftp something big with both boxes and check the speeds you get |
| 23:55.53 | ajpr | well it is a fast computer, but maybe i did not configure the install correctly? |
| 23:56.12 | ajpr | ive got 200+k/s using both boxes shingouz |
| 23:56.35 | shingouz | ajpr: are both boxes the same speed and the configs are the same? |
| 23:56.36 | daedalus_ | D-: You have raided a set of CDROMs? |
| 23:56.47 | D- | daedalus_: no, does it look like i did? |
| 23:56.51 | ajpr | the debian machine is much faster and this machine is a laptop with redhat on |
| 23:57.00 | shingouz | D-: joliet is a pretty good indicator |
| 23:57.06 | D- | shit |
| 23:57.16 | ajpr | say i go to google.com, the mozilla takes ages on debian but on this laptop loads almost instantly |
| 23:57.21 | daedalus_ | D-: the Joliet extenisions are extensions to the CDROM stds |
| 23:57.25 | shingouz | ajpr: i do not like to guess the configurations you have there |
| 23:57.47 | shingouz | ajpr: so you have mozilla on the debian and lynx on the laptop? |
| 23:58.02 | ajpr | i have mozilla on both machines |
| 23:58.07 | daedalus_ | ajpr: are you using mozilla on both? (is one firefox?) |
| 23:58.12 | ajpr | its just mozilla |
| 23:58.30 | shingouz | !vaguenesssmite ajpr |
| 23:58.41 | ajpr | however, the laptop version is 1.01 and the debian box is the latest |
| 23:58.45 | daedalus_ | ajpr: Have you tried using other browsers? Like, use lynx on both? |
| 23:58.59 | ajpr | i will try that now then |
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| 23:59.23 | shingouz | ajpr: of course if you have a shitload of java and flash running on the website slows it down too |
| 23:59.43 | ajpr | epiphany is the same |
| 23:59.44 | daedalus_ | shingouz: he just said he used google.com as a test. |
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| 23:59.50 | witch | ajpr: is it the loading or until loading begins |
| 23:59.53 | witch | ? |
