| 00:00.21 | shingouz | daedalus_: i heard it. he is still so vague on the configurations there it hurt my head. i need caffeine |
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| 00:00.40 | daedalus_ | ajpr: how "latest" are you talking? Are you running sid? |
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| 00:01.14 | ajpr | it seems to pause on "resolving (blah.com)" in the status bar |
| 00:01.50 | witch | ajpr: then look at your nameserver settings |
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| 00:01.54 | dtheory | yea i have no idea what im doing |
| 00:01.58 | ajpr | hey im sorry , but im really trying hard to get this to work |
| 00:02.01 | dtheory | i cant get my raid drives to work |
| 00:02.06 | dtheory | ive been trying to 3 days now |
| 00:02.19 | daedalus_ | witch: we did that allready |
| 00:02.21 | dtheory | i have a "module" in my source tree, I modprobe it, nothing happens |
| 00:02.26 | ajpr | hey i spent the whole day getting X11 to load |
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| 00:02.34 | azreal | s_ward: it takes Powers. Stronger than Guinness. |
| 00:02.34 | ajpr | :] |
| 00:02.43 | daedalus_ | witch: he can do "host <blah>" and get a prompt reply |
| 00:02.59 | witch | daedalus_: they are equal? |
| 00:03.00 | ajpr | daedalus_: i got the latest mozilla from debian installer i think |
| 00:03.27 | ajpr | witch: i get far faster responses using host blah.com than using a web browser |
| 00:03.30 | s_ward | azreal, I'll keep that in mind when I go past the spirits |
| 00:03.35 | daedalus_ | !info mozilla sid |
| 00:03.40 | witch | annd mtr results? |
| 00:03.40 | dpkg | mozilla: (The Mozilla Internet application suite - meta package), section web, is optional. Version: 2:1.7.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 00:03.43 | daedalus_ | !info mozilla sarge |
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| 00:03.48 | dpkg | mozilla: (The Mozilla Internet application suite - meta package), section web, is optional. Version: 2:1.7.8-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 00:04.22 | witch | ajpr: faster and equal fast on both systems is not the same |
| 00:05.04 | daedalus_ | ajpr: to calm witch.... do a time host <blah> on both machines |
| 00:05.11 | libertine | good |
| 00:05.12 | ajpr | ok |
| 00:05.31 | witch | take www.westfalen.de that will not be in the cache |
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| 00:07.21 | ajpr | i get 0m0.022 ss, 0m0.014 ss, 0m0.004s and 0m0.005 s, 0m0.001s and 0m0.003s |
| 00:07.28 | witch | there is one mozilla (related) setting, that can cause such a problem. But I only catched it up somewhere. Do not remember |
| 00:07.32 | ajpr | damn it pressed wrong button |
| 00:07.43 | ajpr | i get 0m0.022 s, 0m0.014 s, 0m0.004s and 0m0.005 s, 0m0.001s, 0m0.003s |
| 00:08.04 | ajpr | the first set of numbers is this machine and the second set is the debian machine |
| 00:09.02 | metaperl | how can get unsermake for Debian testing? : http://www.kde.me.uk/index.php?page=unsermake |
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| 00:09.19 | witch | ajpr: to www.westfalen.de? |
| 00:09.27 | azreal | you ever wonder what happens to scabs if you dont pick them off? |
| 00:09.28 | ajpr | to bbc.co.uk |
| 00:09.53 | witch | and you did not try that domain before? |
| 00:10.04 | ajpr | sorry should i try it now witch? |
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| 00:10.33 | witch | yes and tell us, if you gat same results on boths computers then |
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| 00:11.13 | n0op | where can i find a reference for shell commands? |
| 00:11.34 | n0op | <-- noob |
| 00:11.52 | peterS | n0op: shell commands or unix commands? |
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| 00:12.07 | stew | n0op: give us an example? |
| 00:12.22 | azreal | n0op: look in /bin, read the man page for anything there. |
| 00:12.23 | koefz | bash.org perhaps? =) |
| 00:12.24 | n0op | well.... commands for a debian prompt |
| 00:12.38 | n0op | like to navigate the dir structure |
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| 00:12.45 | n0op | open an editor... stuff |
| 00:12.49 | ajpr | i get no answer |
| 00:12.49 | ajpr | are you going to hack me? |
| 00:12.51 | Xenguy | sure |
| 00:12.54 | Xenguy | ww |
| 00:12.54 | peterS | n0op: navigating the dir structure is easy - cd, ls. |
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| 00:13.28 | peterS | n0op: what you want, I guess, is unix commands. there are all sorts of references on those, paper and online. giyf. |
| 00:13.37 | n0op | peterS: cool but to save coming back everytime i wanna do somethin, is there reference card i can print? |
| 00:13.55 | peterS | I don't know of any particular reference card, no |
| 00:14.02 | n0op | k |
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| 00:14.30 | azreal | n0op: look in /bin. everything there you should familiarize yourself with. type man (whatever). and read it. |
| 00:14.43 | n0op | ok thanks |
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| 00:15.02 | witch | ajpr: for www.westfalen.de? |
| 00:15.33 | exobyte | anyone here have expierence with dialup connections? |
| 00:15.37 | peterS | there are a few things in /bin not worth the time to learn what they do. and lots of stuff in there it's not worth reading about in great detail - just knowing the basic idea of what it is is enough |
| 00:15.46 | Xenguy | n0op: /usr/bin AND /usr/sbin |
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| 00:16.26 | peterS | wow, we still have a /bin/uncompress link |
| 00:16.59 | azreal | peterS: agreed, actually, reading glanceing at the manual page for said command is enough to do that, no? |
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| 00:17.49 | azreal | peterS: i would not however, refer someone to /usr/bin, and tell them to read everything. |
| 00:17.50 | witch | peterS: did not follow. But what abouzt the debian reference card? |
| 00:17.51 | peterS | azreal: well, for an experienced user. for a n00b, they might not know how the system fits together well enough to figure out and retain what something actually would be useful for |
| 00:17.55 | aliensid | I was compiling a kernel when I got this error. Any ideas how to fix it? http://rafb.net/paste/results/gxZmMc48.html |
| 00:18.11 | peterS | witch: I don't know about the debian reference card |
| 00:18.28 | user01 | Does anyone have any recommendations for components a debian system used primarily as a home file server secondarily as a workstation with a gui? |
| 00:18.45 | peterS | aliensid: fix the compile error, or use a kernel that doesn't have compile errors |
| 00:18.59 | witch | http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ - available in some languages |
| 00:19.01 | GlingGling | I have been having some problems with DMA errors. I have updated my kernel version and done an in depth test of the harddrive and am still receiving these errors. What would be my next move? Somebody told me update my bios but I don't want to if I don't have to. |
| 00:19.04 | daedalus_ | aliensid: Try a different kernel? |
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| 00:19.31 | aliensid | It's the most recent one from kernel.org |
| 00:19.34 | daedalus_ | GlingGling: define "errors" |
| 00:19.37 | azreal | GlingGling: what errors? |
| 00:19.38 | afabian | Hm. Some interesting stuff I didn't know was living in Debian's /bin. |
| 00:19.39 | aliensid | Surely it should work. |
| 00:19.53 | user01 | would 1 GB of memory be an overkill for a home file server? |
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| 00:20.09 | ajpr | sorry guys, my cable fell out of my laptop |
| 00:20.16 | azreal | user01: no. |
| 00:20.16 | user01 | with like 2 computers on it? |
| 00:20.36 | user01 | azreal: underkill? :) |
| 00:20.42 | GlingGling | dma_intr: status=0x51 and dma_intr: error=0x84 |
| 00:20.57 | GlingGling | i get those when I try to download packages, install packages and remove packages |
| 00:21.40 | witch | ajpr: take query instead |
| 00:21.53 | azreal | GlingGling: update bios, then make sure you have support for whatever chipset is on you MB, compiled into kernel. |
| 00:22.05 | user01 | trying to build the best cheapest home file server :p |
| 00:22.47 | GlingGling | how would I make sure that support for my chipset is in the kernel? |
| 00:22.47 | n0op | witch: thanks mate thats exactly the card i was after |
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| 00:23.06 | GlingGling | would I almost definitely have to compile it? |
| 00:23.24 | azreal | GlingGling: umm, yeah. |
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| 00:23.57 | psychonate | For some reason the testing netinstall disc can't set a default route when configuring the network, though I don't know why. |
| 00:24.04 | azreal | GlingGling: there are lots of buggy chipsets, but "known" workarounds/fixes for them. |
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| 00:24.40 | Draconicus | Pain... the pain of knowing so many hours of my life were wasted without any accomplishment... |
| 00:25.08 | TwistedEmotions | Draconicus: windows? |
| 00:25.14 | Draconicus | No... |
| 00:25.15 | afabian | Draconicus, ex Gentoo user? |
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| 00:25.23 | s_ward | Draconicus, #debian? |
| 00:25.24 | bitsko_ | I've just installed a new system and I seem to have installed only a "work console" instead of a "desktop", is there a simple way to install the desktop from here? |
| 00:25.58 | Draconicus | I just spent several hours playing a game in VBA, then, to correct a mistake, restarted it after saving in the game. Unfortunately, I never knew until after that it won't tell you that no battery directory had been given. It never saved. Ever. |
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| 00:26.16 | Draconicus | It said it did, but it didn't, because that part of the config file, which must be hand edited, was commented and blank. |
| 00:26.18 | eps | bitsko_ did you do a net install? |
| 00:26.26 | TwistedEmotions | Draconicus: hahaha... what game? |
| 00:26.32 | bitsko_ | eps, yes |
| 00:26.37 | Draconicus | You'd laugh if I told you. :P |
| 00:26.42 | s_ward | bitsko_, tasksel, and select desktop environment |
| 00:26.43 | eps | bitsko_ aptitude install gnome :) should do most of the basic things for you |
| 00:26.47 | user01 | i havent run debian on computers with sata drives yet, is sata fairly well supported? |
| 00:26.50 | eps | or what s_ward said :) |
| 00:26.52 | shingouz | Draconicus: we can always use a good laugh |
| 00:26.52 | TwistedEmotions | Draconicus: Barney? |
| 00:26.54 | Draconicus | Though, then again, you might understand my dismay, as it's torture to repeat. |
| 00:27.06 | TwistedEmotions | Draconicus: Barbie? |
| 00:27.11 | Draconicus | Poke'mon Leaf Green. I was curious to see how they remade the original. Very well done. |
| 00:27.12 | eps | tasksel and aptitude are broken in sid atm :( |
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| 00:27.27 | s_ward | the tasksel version installs lots of shit I never want |
| 00:27.38 | TwistedEmotions | Draconicus: Dont waste your life by doing it again. |
| 00:27.38 | eps | hehe |
| 00:27.40 | shingouz | Draconicus: the real question here is of course how the hell do you know how the original was made :p |
| 00:27.42 | Draconicus | It's pure torture to repeat, though. |
| 00:27.43 | oKtosiTe | Where can I find some info on using Debian to build a software router? |
| 00:27.46 | hax | does anyone here use keychain? i'm having a problem getting it to recognize my gpg key |
| 00:27.58 | rixth | How does one find out if they are using Xorg or XFree? |
| 00:27.59 | hax | oKtosiTe: thats just iptables and a switch |
| 00:28.02 | bitsko_ | s_ward, eps: excellent, thx! |
| 00:28.04 | GlingGling | azreal: what resources are available to find out what I need to change in the kernel for my mobo in order to recompile it? |
| 00:28.11 | Draconicus | Not how it was made. They remade it with 32-bit graphics and sound. It's niec. |
| 00:28.13 | Draconicus | nice* |
| 00:28.21 | eps | oKtosiTe we often use slackware/openbsd for software routers as the documentation is better (not that I don't <3 debian :P) |
| 00:28.24 | oKtosiTe | hax, oh yeah, gah. |
| 00:28.26 | berzerka | rixth: who? |
| 00:28.32 | eps | bitsko_ any time |
| 00:28.45 | shingouz | GlingGling: do you really need a custom kernel in the first place |
| 00:28.45 | rixth | berzerka, Figure of speech. Means me. |
| 00:28.59 | TwistedEmotions | hax: hahaha with a name like that... and your asking about pgp.. why am I not shocked? |
| 00:29.22 | hax | TwistedEmotions: gpg, and you shouldnt be? |
| 00:29.23 | shingouz | Draconicus: i think i was a bit too vague. i was thinking how and where did you play the original. not that i really want to know ;) |
| 00:29.30 | hax | TwistedEmotions: gpg is for everyone, not just l33t h4x0rz |
| 00:29.34 | berzerka | rixth: try ps -A, mine says XFree86 in one line, XOrg shouldnt.. |
| 00:29.43 | rutski89 | is there a Citrix ICA library in debian? |
| 00:29.47 | oKtosiTe | eps: I'm considering using, dare I say it, gentoo. |
| 00:29.50 | GlingGling | shingouz: I dunno, that seems to be the advice I am getting, I don't know why these DMA errors are occuring |
| 00:29.53 | hax | TwistedEmotions: it's more about the principle of using gpg and propagating the idea of signatures and verifcation than encrypting things |
| 00:30.04 | GlingGling | The only thing i haven't tried thus far is updating my bios |
| 00:30.05 | TwistedEmotions | hax: Err... ;) That's what I meant... I too l33t to have sex with my girlfriend. |
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| 00:30.09 | Draconicus | shingouz: Years ago, when it came out, I played it when I was 10 or so... |
| 00:30.12 | shingouz | GlingGling: how about telling us what the errors are and when you get them |
| 00:30.24 | GlingGling | dma_intr: status=0x51 and dma_intr: error=0x84 |
| 00:30.27 | shingouz | Draconicus: oh.. i see.. i thought you were older |
| 00:30.35 | hax | TwistedEmotions: whatever, don't judge people who want encryption, thats part of the reason its not everywhere yet |
| 00:30.35 | Draconicus | I'm 16. |
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| 00:30.37 | shingouz | GlingGling: some exotic hardware? |
| 00:30.39 | rixth | berzerka, I don't see either =/ |
| 00:30.46 | Draconicus | I'm kind of mature for my age. |
| 00:30.46 | TwistedEmotions | hax: I was kidding... |
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| 00:30.55 | ArielMT | hi, i have a problem. i'm using a dell inspiron 600m with the intel pro wireless 2915, and i have mepis installed. mepis is picking up the wireless with the ipw2200 driver, and it works just fine if i boot up while in range of an access point. the problem is, if i move out of range then back, nothing short of a complete reboot gets me connected again. how do i fix that? |
| 00:30.55 | hax | TwistedEmotions: alright, whatever |
| 00:30.58 | hax | i'm out, party time |
| 00:31.14 | GlingGling | shingouz: no, just a K8N Neo4 plat and a Maxtor harddrive |
| 00:31.21 | GlingGling | i didn't think it was exotic |
| 00:31.24 | shingouz | Draconicus: i was married for 16 years so.. well.. i think i am a little bit older than you |
| 00:31.26 | TwistedEmotions | ArielMT: ifconfig iwconfig? |
| 00:31.36 | Draconicus | Yes, I would certainly say so, shingouz. |
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| 00:31.38 | shingouz | GlingGling: go with the bios first |
| 00:31.41 | oKtosiTe | GlingGling: harddrive failure? |
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| 00:31.55 | GlingGling | I just did a scan and it passed |
| 00:31.59 | GlingGling | using the maxtor utility |
| 00:32.02 | oKtosiTe | GlingGling: ok |
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| 00:32.28 | shingouz | GlingGling: did you check the smart information on the drive? it cound have some impending hardware failure there |
| 00:32.31 | ArielMT | TwistedEmotions: i had no idea about iwconfig |
| 00:32.51 | TwistedEmotions | ArielMT: ;) apt-get install wireless-tools |
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| 00:33.05 | TwistedEmotions | !tell ArielMT about iwconfig |
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| 00:33.54 | ArielMT | i have iwconfig already. i'm reading its manpage now. i didn't know it was there |
| 00:33.56 | ColonelKernel | !kp |
| 00:33.56 | dpkg | i guess kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 00:34.15 | TwistedEmotions | ArielMT: ;) all good... check out kismet when you have a chance too.. good program. |
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| 00:34.34 | ArielMT | TwistedEmotions: thanks :) |
| 00:34.50 | GlingGling | shingouz: where can I see the smart information? |
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| 00:35.33 | shingouz | GlingGling: i think the maxtor utility should be able to extract it or use debian abd smartmontools |
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| 00:38.17 | user01 | what are the best supported sound cards for alsa? |
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| 00:38.33 | peterS | user01: lots of cards are supported very well |
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| 00:38.59 | TwistedEmotions | user01: check alsa website... I dont think anyone has them all memorized. |
| 00:39.03 | user01 | peterS: on the alsa project website it looks like the most popular ones has major bugs |
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| 00:39.29 | user01 | peterS: the creative labs ones can't produce midi output |
| 00:39.41 | TwistedEmotions | user01: What site are you on? |
| 00:39.48 | user01 | peterS: turtlebeach cant produce pcm, just white noise |
| 00:40.04 | user01 | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ |
| 00:40.10 | peterS | wow, who uses turtlebeach? |
| 00:40.22 | user01 | i thought that was a good sound card? |
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| 00:40.28 | peterS | oh it probably is |
| 00:40.32 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: I was about to buy one for 20$ ;) |
| 00:40.39 | peterS | actually it's a company, right, not a specific card? |
| 00:40.49 | user01 | its a comapny yep |
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| 00:41.27 | TwistedEmotions | user01: I think you are checking some testing version or something... where do you see that these cards dont work/ |
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| 00:42.01 | user01 | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+5.1.&chip=emu10k1&module=emu10k1 |
| 00:42.20 | user01 | MIDI on SB live drive not working properly. |
| 00:42.26 | user01 | under known bugs |
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| 00:43.09 | TwistedEmotions | user01: Why dont you just install and test? takes like 3 seconds.. |
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| 00:43.37 | user01 | TwistedEmotions: cause im trying to decide what card to buy |
| 00:43.56 | TwistedEmotions | user01: ohhh... a 99c card... useless your really into audio shit.. |
| 00:43.58 | user01 | and wanted to know which one gives the best linux support b4 i padi for it |
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| 00:45.10 | user01 | well...i thought a linux audio file server would be nice |
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| 00:46.00 | user01 | s_ward: k im only going by the alsa-project page |
| 00:46.02 | pjn | linux audio file server? |
| 00:46.50 | user01 | a server filled up with audio played out through my a/v receiver |
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| 00:47.21 | moo | guys, I've installed debian woody probably 7-8 times and not once has php worked properly with apache without manual config file editing |
| 00:47.23 | TwistedEmotions | Basterd PG&E... Power went out ;P |
| 00:47.26 | user01 | and shared on the network |
| 00:47.33 | moo | is this a debian bug, am I installing php wrong? |
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| 00:47.45 | moo | apt-get install php4 installs php and apache but doesnt configure apache |
| 00:47.47 | moo | and never has... |
| 00:47.47 | peterS | moo: maybe you could explain what you had to change in the php config |
| 00:47.52 | moo | LoadModule lines |
| 00:47.55 | moo | it never adds them |
| 00:47.56 | moo | ever... |
| 00:48.05 | s_ward | !moo |
| 00:48.05 | YaleR | can I create a raid array with the net-install cd? |
| 00:48.05 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
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| 00:48.12 | peterS | moo: probably a bug, but OTOH, anyone running a web server should have some elementary knowledge of the web server configuration |
| 00:48.17 | MartySkitch | anyone else having problems getting the JRE 1.5 to wrk with Firefox 1.06 |
| 00:48.20 | peterS | YaleR: yes |
| 00:48.31 | YaleR | peterS: how? before I install? |
| 00:48.40 | moo | thats a great justification.....it's ok to be broken because anyone that uses it should know how to do it by hand |
| 00:48.41 | moo | ok |
| 00:48.51 | peterS | moo: what does "broken" mean? |
| 00:48.52 | FieldySnuts | pretty much |
| 00:48.52 | moo | im just asking for help on what im doing wrong |
| 00:48.58 | moo | broken as in it doesnt work |
| 00:49.06 | FieldySnuts | someone should do !hire moo heh |
| 00:49.13 | peterS | moo: why should software suited for a server environment require zero configuration? |
| 00:49.32 | Guerin | moo: why the fuck are you using woody? it's common knowledge that woody's apache and php don't autoconfigure |
| 00:49.34 | s_ward | moo, last time I looked, php4+apache2 worked fine, however, apache2 isn't apache |
| 00:49.50 | s_ward | oh, he's using woody |
| 00:49.52 | moo | Guerin: common knowledge? sorry i did not know this |
| 00:49.56 | FieldySnuts | if you want autoconfigure use windows. if you want this stuff taken care of, hire an admin. this isn't kiddyland play toys here. |
| 00:49.57 | moo | thats why i came here to ask |
| 00:50.05 | Guerin | moo: then answer the first bit of my question. |
| 00:50.10 | moo | FieldySnuts: can you get a little more snooty? |
| 00:50.17 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 00:50.23 | moo | im using woody because it works and it's stable |
| 00:50.27 | FieldySnuts | my boobs are bigger than Phateds. |
| 00:50.28 | moo | whats wrong with it? |
| 00:50.40 | Phated | GRRRR |
| 00:50.43 | FieldySnuts | HEHEHE |
| 00:50.50 | Guerin | moo: sarge works and is stable |
| 00:50.50 | peterS | children, children |
| 00:50.54 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: PROOF! |
| 00:50.57 | Phated | GRRRR |
| 00:51.06 | moo | right, ok |
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| 00:51.16 | witch | hehe, ask first, if the system might be too small for sarge! |
| 00:51.16 | peterS | Guerin: I highly doubt fieldy could prove this alone |
| 00:51.19 | moo | well thanks for answering my question Guerin |
| 00:51.26 | d | so |
| 00:51.32 | user01 | i really dont get lyx...how is it easier than latex? it takes like a second to make a dvi file to preview |
| 00:51.44 | Guerin | moo: it's really not a good look to come in whining about old software when there's new software which does precisely what you want |
| 00:52.05 | Guerin | peterS: true |
| 00:52.10 | FieldySnuts | Phated: I sowwy, just kidding |
| 00:52.18 | Guerin | user01: it's grafikal |
| 00:52.22 | d | if I were to dl drivers from a different distro (since they are 3 years newer than me and work with 2.6.. and I can probably por them easier): which should I get out of: suse, novell, red hat, or turbo |
| 00:52.40 | FieldySnuts | heh. forget that |
| 00:52.41 | Guerin | d: wtf? |
| 00:52.44 | peterS | d: depends on what you mean by "drivers" |
| 00:52.47 | shingouz | witch: huh? too small for sarge? and what is that then |
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| 00:52.56 | user01 | Guerin: yeah i guess...i prefer just looking at the source and seeing what it says |
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| 00:53.32 | Twisted2 | Basterds... my power went out again. |
| 00:53.48 | peterS | FieldySnuts: <sys/stdio.h>? wtf is that? |
| 00:54.00 | user01 | standard input output :) |
| 00:54.01 | FieldySnuts | i dunno maybe sys was something else, haven't done this in a long time |
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| 00:54.15 | peterS | user01: uh. what package is that in? |
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| 00:54.36 | user01 | peterS: i just remember it from my c/c++ class |
| 00:54.47 | user01 | its a header file |
| 00:54.49 | peterS | user01: hint, I'm a C programmer, I might have a clue what I'm talking about. there is a <stdio.h> but I've never seen a <sys/stdio.h> |
| 00:54.58 | FieldySnuts | close enough |
| 00:55.10 | user01 | oh |
| 00:55.31 | user01 | i thought it would be a standard input output file located in the sys directory |
| 00:55.34 | FieldySnuts | i'm not ereet like you or something |
| 00:56.17 | peterS | user01: I assumed fieldy was talking about something that didn't compile anyway, because of the wrong location |
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| 00:56.30 | FieldySnuts | no, i'm just being a dumbass |
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| 00:56.56 | Skyblaze | anyone with unstable that has apache2 package? |
| 00:57.04 | Guerin | people often make the mistake of assuming FieldySnuts is serious |
| 00:57.09 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 00:57.13 | peterS | true dat |
| 00:57.16 | peterS | I should know better by now |
| 00:57.18 | Guerin | and then occasionally they make the mistake of assuming she's not |
| 00:57.18 | user01 | cant the stdio.h be in any directory as long as it knows to look for it in that directory and you have access to it? |
| 00:57.21 | s_ward | the name should give it away |
| 00:57.32 | d | how do I turn a .o module into a .ko driver? |
| 00:57.37 | shingouz | !beer FieldySnuts |
| 00:57.54 | Guerin | d: you don't |
| 00:57.57 | peterS | d: you don't. the same build process that produces a .o file also produces a .ko file |
| 00:58.00 | s_ward | ick, boddingtons, I'm forced to drink that occasionally |
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| 00:58.13 | d | im trying to get sata_promise to load |
| 00:58.13 | peterS | d: if you have the one but not the other, the .o file is almost certainly not going to be useful anyway |
| 00:58.16 | Guerin | d: you can't just mash modules from different kernel series together |
| 00:58.16 | sighs | Aug 6 19:41:36 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#17: restart. |
| 00:58.23 | sighs | what could that be? |
| 00:58.27 | FieldySnuts | a restart. |
| 00:58.30 | Guerin | d: you need to use debian kernelss |
| 00:58.33 | FieldySnuts | odd time that, though |
| 00:58.34 | d | I am :) |
| 00:58.37 | sighs | would that mean someone TOLD it to restart or it just did i meant sorry |
| 00:58.47 | Guerin | d: then be happy |
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| 00:59.06 | d | Guerin: my raid drives dont work, i cant get to my mp3s, im not happy |
| 00:59.19 | libertine | ~ims |
| 00:59.20 | peterS | Guerin: debian kernels don't have support for his chip. we went through this yesterday, the patch wasn't merged until 2.6.13-rc1 |
| 00:59.37 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 00:59.37 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 00:59.47 | d | jesus |
| 00:59.55 | sighs | FieldySnuts: is there a way to tell if someone gave a command or is that just because of resources or something? im trying ti figure out why the server restarted so i can address the cause :) |
| 00:59.57 | Guerin | d: buyild a 2.6.13-rc1 kernel |
| 00:59.57 | d | I DIDNT BUY THE HDD AFTER I GOT LINUX |
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| 01:00.01 | user01 | d: you'll be happier reripping them to ogg format |
| 01:00.04 | FieldySnuts | don't fucking yell at us |
| 01:00.04 | d | why do you all assume that crap |
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| 01:00.19 | d | thats the 4th time someone assumed that nonsense |
| 01:00.21 | Guerin | d: what distro were you using that DID support this controller? |
| 01:00.26 | d | Guerin: windows |
| 01:00.29 | amphi | d: badness and spite |
| 01:00.33 | FieldySnuts | promise is lame hardware anyway, i got no intention of supporting it |
| 01:00.39 | peterS | user01: in theory you could name a C header file "stdio.h" and put it anywhere you wanted. in practice that would be stupid because it would just confuse people who know about the real <stdio.h> |
| 01:00.57 | FieldySnuts | #include "/dev/zero" is fun. try to link it. |
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| 01:01.04 | Guerin | d: my point stands |
| 01:01.09 | FieldySnuts | and say bye to your ram |
| 01:01.13 | d | Guerin: good for you |
| 01:01.14 | Guerin | !tardware |
| 01:01.14 | dpkg | from memory, tardware is the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 01:01.16 | peterS | FieldySnuts: hehe |
| 01:01.20 | Guerin | d: yeah, but not good for you |
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| 01:01.56 | Guerin | d: now, according to what peterS says, there's no support in current stable kernels, but there is in 2.6.13-rc* |
| 01:02.02 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: sure it is... who doesnt want hardware that doubles as a paperweight when it doesnt work? |
| 01:02.11 | jsturgis | can somebody point me to a dvd player howto for kernel 2.6? |
| 01:02.12 | Guerin | d: so build yourself one of those kernels and see if it works |
| 01:02.39 | d | Guerin: ill give it a shot |
| 01:02.44 | peterS | Guerin: the patch is pretty trivial and should apply to 2.6.11 or 2.6.12, I think. but walking d through applying kernel patches and *then* rebuilding drivers or kernels is something that didn't appeal to me yesterday and doesn't today either |
| 01:02.48 | Guerin | d: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 01:02.57 | Guerin | peterS: right |
| 01:03.07 | sighs | also: ug 6 19:24:01 localhost kernel: eth0: Media Link Off <<-=-= does that mean it just turned off the ethernet card? |
| 01:03.16 | d | wait, just tell me what I should do, and Ill learn how to do it |
| 01:03.19 | sighs | could all this mean someone was trying to haxxor the thing? |
| 01:03.33 | d | you say I need to "patch" my tree, make menuconfig, then install that kernel? |
| 01:03.59 | user01 | so promise controllers for sata not supported in current stable kernel? |
| 01:04.14 | shingouz | d: you also have to compile the kernel before you install it |
| 01:04.17 | peterS | user01: yes they are |
| 01:04.24 | d | so make-kpkg |
| 01:04.26 | peterS | user01: d has a chipset that isn't though |
| 01:04.34 | Guerin | d: wait |
| 01:04.37 | peterS | user01: it's regular ATA, not SATA, as it happens |
| 01:04.45 | d | Guerin: okay |
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| 01:05.01 | Guerin | d: the hardware is supported already in 2.6.13-rc* upstream, so just use a vanilla source from kernel.org |
| 01:05.25 | d | Guerin: will I have to reset all of my module options? |
| 01:05.31 | Nigel | I would like to download some unstable packages, but keep debian with testing |
| 01:05.43 | Guerin | d: you WILL need to find out what other hardware you have (motherboard, ide controllers, filesystems, etc) and build them INTO the kernel, not as modules |
| 01:05.44 | Nigel | i know there is a way, but is there any pages documenting this? |
| 01:05.45 | d | Guerin: or is there debian way to keep my settings using a new (non debian) kernel |
| 01:05.46 | Guerin | d: yes |
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| 01:06.06 | d | Guerin: "build into" means * in menuconfig |
| 01:06.09 | d | Guerin: ? |
| 01:06.23 | Guerin | d: you can try making menuconfig or oldconfig from a debian .config on a vanilla source, but you will need to build with make-kpkg --initrd |
| 01:06.25 | sighs | thanx for all the nonhelp |
| 01:06.29 | Guerin | d: yes, * |
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| 01:06.36 | d | Guerin: alright, ill give it a shot |
| 01:06.56 | d | Guerin: you dont reccomend saving the .config2.6.11 and loading that into the new kernel? |
| 01:07.08 | Guerin | d: you can try. It should work. |
| 01:08.03 | s_ward | !tell nigel about pinning |
| 01:08.05 | d | so I have to *patch* my current 2.6.11 source tree with this 2.6.13rc4 prepatch? |
| 01:08.25 | peterS | d: not the whole 2.6.13rc4, it won't work |
| 01:08.25 | Guerin | no |
| 01:08.41 | peterS | d: just the patch you actually need. the link you first posted the other day, asking if it was a driver. that was the patch. |
| 01:08.42 | d | thats what Im reading on kernel.org |
| 01:08.51 | d | promise.c |
| 01:08.56 | Guerin | you EITHER patch 2.6.11 with the SPECIFIC patch for your hardware, or you use the whole 2.6.13-rc4 source |
| 01:08.59 | peterS | the patch to sata_promise.c. |
| 01:09.21 | d | yea |
| 01:09.22 | d | hm |
| 01:09.38 | Guerin | welcome to linux 201 |
| 01:09.47 | d | its only my 5th day |
| 01:09.48 | d | :D |
| 01:09.57 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:10.13 | Guerin | yay |
| 01:10.22 | Guerin | i have lots of chinese tea, it's fantastic |
| 01:10.24 | cafuego | don't forget the kimchi |
| 01:10.28 | Guerin | bah |
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| 01:10.32 | Guerin | koreans don't drink tea |
| 01:10.35 | cafuego | My wife was in China last week! |
| 01:10.43 | Guerin | i had to go to china to get anything decent |
| 01:10.56 | cafuego | Guerin: From that I couild tell off the tele, Koreans drink alcohol ;-) |
| 01:11.04 | Guerin | cafuego: they sure do. |
| 01:11.21 | dtheory | or, could I use this patch: http://lwn.net/Articles/123324/ |
| 01:11.29 | peterS | ah, this is a good quote. <seeS> # mount -t reiserfs /dev/md2 /mnt <seeS> Segmentation fault <seeS> oh well |
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| 01:12.17 | peterS | dtheory: except that that's just an email announcing a patch, not the patch itself |
| 01:12.32 | dtheory | well |
| 01:12.33 | dtheory | yea |
| 01:12.33 | peterS | dtheory: the patch itself referenced in the announcement seems no longer to be available at that URL |
| 01:12.34 | s_ward | peterS, often my reaction with unstable if I can't be arsed fixing it |
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| 01:12.37 | Guerin | dtheory: WARNING DANGER WARNING: Some drivers such as sata_promise and ahci have |
| 01:12.41 | Guerin | not yet been updated to support ATAPI. |
| 01:12.46 | Guerin | dtheory: i'd be concerned about that line |
| 01:12.46 | dtheory | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jgarzik/libata/ |
| 01:12.57 | peterS | Guerin: only if you have a cdrom drive hanging off that interface |
| 01:13.03 | peterS | Guerin: hard disks don't need ATAPI |
| 01:13.04 | Guerin | peterS: right-o |
| 01:13.11 | Guerin | i don't know what he's got |
| 01:13.12 | dtheory | o [libata sata_promise] pdc20619 (PATA) support |
| 01:13.15 | Wh0re | hi people i changed my graphics card and now the debian gui is disabled could some please tell me the command to type in to edit it and change the graphics driver |
| 01:13.23 | dtheory | thats what I want |
| 01:13.32 | Guerin | !drxx Wh0re |
| 01:13.33 | dpkg | Wh0re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:13.50 | peterS | dtheory: you really just need that one little patch, the one from the gitweb link the other day |
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| 01:13.56 | peterS | dtheory: let me browse my irc log.. |
| 01:14.03 | dtheory | peterS: ok |
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| 01:16.08 | Wh0re | lol next problem i dont have a clue what graphics card it is :P |
| 01:16.16 | dtheory | what? |
| 01:16.20 | peterS | dtheory: ok you want http://www.kernel.org/hg/linux-2.6/?cmd=filediff;file=drivers/scsi/sata_promise.c;node=e754884340df94746ef07a18232a4da674dede0e;style=raw |
| 01:16.34 | peterS | dtheory: save that to disk. then you can patch your kernel source using it |
| 01:16.41 | s_ward | Wh0re, lspci |
| 01:17.07 | peterS | dtheory: better yet, http://xrl.us/g2h3 (: |
| 01:17.10 | dtheory | patch -p0 <sata_promise.c ? |
| 01:17.11 | peterS | (shortened) |
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| 01:17.56 | peterS | dtheory: well, you save that file as, for example, /tmp/sata_patch.diff - then once you're in the top of the kernel source tree: patch -p1 < /tmp/sata_patch.diff |
| 01:18.09 | Wh0re | ward what command should i run |
| 01:18.12 | peterS | (not that it matters what you call it) |
| 01:18.15 | dtheory | yea |
| 01:18.20 | dtheory | alright, let me give it a shot |
| 01:18.29 | dtheory | err, how do I check my querry logs in xchat? |
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| 01:18.36 | peterS | dtheory: anyway, -p1 not -p0. it should say "patching drivers/scsi/sata_promise.c" and no other output |
| 01:18.38 | s_ward | Wh0re, lspci | grep VGA |
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| 01:18.39 | Guerin | or you can export PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES and put it in /usr/src/linux/patches/ |
| 01:18.47 | Wh0re | im a noob to linux 2nites me first nite |
| 01:18.56 | s_ward | Wh0re, that should give us something to go on about your graphics card |
| 01:18.58 | dtheory | alright |
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| 01:19.11 | dtheory | let me get the kernel-source and file, patch it and make the kernel, be back |
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| 01:19.29 | Wh0re | u mean the model |
| 01:20.29 | s_ward | Wh0re, yes; the output of `lspci | grep VGA` would be nice too |
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| 01:21.33 | Wh0re | its a tnt 2 |
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| 01:22.26 | boga | what are the typical configuration tools for Debian? |
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| 01:22.48 | Guerin | boga: nano is pretty typical |
| 01:23.01 | Guerin | emacs and vi[m] are, also |
| 01:23.02 | peterS | dtheory: looks like the patch applies cleanly to either 2.6.11 or 2.6.12. it makes a little noise about line offsets, but you can ignore that |
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| 01:23.05 | afabian | boga: vi. update-* (apropos update should turn up some interesting commands.) |
| 01:23.07 | liable | boga: text editors generally. |
| 01:23.13 | boga | Guerin: You mean I could type nano and get something? |
| 01:23.17 | Christophe971 | apt |
| 01:23.17 | dtheory | peters: alright, i just got the source |
| 01:23.21 | dtheory | wgetting the file |
| 01:23.26 | Guerin | boga: sure, you get a text editing environment |
| 01:23.41 | peterS | dtheory: yeah wget http://xrl.us/g2h3 works |
| 01:23.47 | boga | Guerin: You see, I am having troube with apache |
| 01:23.59 | Guerin | boga: why |
| 01:24.00 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:24.10 | boga | its config file is just too big fopr me to parse |
| 01:24.11 | johnynek | I am using gstreamer0.8-lame but it is not writing VBR headers when it encodes VBR files. Anyone know of a tool to add VBR headers? |
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| 01:24.42 | peterS | johnynek: answers here might be a little scarce - nothing in debian will touch mp3 encoding |
| 01:24.50 | s_ward | Wh0re, did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 01:24.57 | boga | Guerin: I installed Webmin, but it was bot showing some pages! I had to hack it somehow |
| 01:24.59 | peterS | johnynek: thanks to Thomson patents |
| 01:25.14 | Wh0re | yes but i cant find tnt2 in that list |
| 01:25.19 | daedalus_ | Wh0re: get a real nick please. |
| 01:25.37 | johnynek | peterS: I know it is not in main, but I thought I might check... Thanks for the comment. |
| 01:25.43 | TK-1 | sorry lol |
| 01:25.48 | daedalus_ | TK-1: I appreciate it |
| 01:26.08 | peterS | TK-1: the tnt2 is well supported by the "nv" X module |
| 01:26.21 | Guerin | boga: apt-get remove --purge webmin |
| 01:26.21 | johnynek | peterS: on the other hand, there are many mp3 players and tools in debian, perhaps one can add a VBR header. |
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| 01:26.50 | mo1991 | can anyone tell me about the alsa performance of a 2.6 kernel vs. a 2.4 kernel - I heard that 2.6 has less latency - is this true? Better sound?? |
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| 01:26.58 | peterS | johnynek: oh ok, I assumed this was an encoding function of some sort. I don't get why something would output an mp3 stream that is VBR, without outputting whatever header is needed to identify this |
| 01:27.19 | Guerin | only with gstreamer-lame? |
| 01:27.21 | peterS | mo1991: less latency in theory. I haven't noticed a difference in practice, because I haven't noticed audio latency problems at all |
| 01:27.45 | johnynek | peterS: the VBR header is optional, but it needed for seeking. |
| 01:27.48 | daedalus_ | mo1991: in general, 2.6 is faster than 2.4.. couldn't say specifically though, and I have not seen any benchmarks of that area. |
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| 01:27.58 | peterS | mo1991: you don't get better sound, what you get is less chance of your sound being choppy or skippy when your machine is really busy |
| 01:28.03 | robink | Where on a debian mirror can I find a "base" tgz file? |
| 01:28.13 | peterS | robink: you can't, that's an outdated concept (: |
| 01:28.13 | dtheory | sjka |
| 01:28.13 | johnynek | Guerin, were you addressing me? |
| 01:28.14 | robink | I want to install Debian from another Linux distro... |
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| 01:28.23 | Guerin | johnynek: yeah |
| 01:28.26 | robink | peterS: Argh...I have been trying to get an easy-to-netboot system with no luck yet :( |
| 01:28.33 | Guerin | robink: use debootstrap |
| 01:28.35 | dtheory | how do I view a log in xchat? |
| 01:28.36 | peterS | robink: /msg dpkg debtakeover |
| 01:28.57 | Guerin | robink: it builds easily on most sane distros |
| 01:28.57 | peterS | robink: dpkg the friendly bot will tell you all you need to know |
| 01:29.01 | johnynek | Guerin: is your question: do I only see this problem using gstreamer0.8-lame, and not with lame by itself? |
| 01:29.19 | robink | peterS: Debian Takeover won't clobber my existing Linux install, will it? |
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| 01:29.40 | peterS | robink: yes, it will. if you want to install in parallel, you'll want to investigate debootstrap, as Guerin suggestss |
| 01:29.47 | robink | peterS: Ahh |
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| 01:30.01 | peterS | buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 01:30.07 | mo1991 | peter5 - I ask because I use the Final Scratch DJ software - latency from the digital record is very important - the original (no unsupported ) linux version shipped with stripped 2.4 kernel - I have just done got it up and running on the testing 2.6.11 kernel and everything seems to be working great - I'm just wondering if the program will actually perform better - ie syc the timecoded vinyl with the audio with less latency - |
| 01:30.07 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.38 | TK-1 | think that mite of sorted it thanks people |
| 01:30.40 | dtheory | do you use asio or coreaudio? |
| 01:30.49 | peterS | mo1991: yeah, you seem to be the target audience for 'low latency' kernels. 2.6 should be somewhat better than 2.4 in this regard |
| 01:31.06 | Guerin | johnynek: yeah |
| 01:31.22 | mo1991 | peterS, any idea which 2.6 kernel would be best to try with sarge in this aspect? |
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| 01:31.36 | mo1991 | although the one in stable gives my mouse a jerky response? |
| 01:31.42 | Guerin | johnynek: in which case my question would be 'why use gstreamer?' |
| 01:31.44 | mo1991 | thats why I moved to testing |
| 01:31.46 | peterS | mo1991: sarge ships with 2.6.8 but there's no reason you can't run a newer kernel - at least up through 2.6.11. 2.6.12 has a few issues with sarge software |
| 01:31.48 | johnynek | Guerin: yes, only with gstreamer. |
| 01:31.55 | dtheory | when im making a kernel after make menuconfig, do I type make-kpkg --revision yep kernel ? |
| 01:31.59 | wishie2 | im getting all sorts of errors from perl about Locale settings..anyone else experiencing this ? |
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| 01:32.19 | wishie2 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. <-- one example |
| 01:32.21 | mo1991 | peterS - ya, got 2.6.11 running now - the stock 2.6.8 kernel gave my mouse jerky movements |
| 01:32.21 | johnynek | Guerin: it is a "support" issue. I could use jack (or another encoder that does not use gstreamer), but my wife prefers sound-juicer. |
| 01:32.36 | peterS | mo1991: I'd stick with that for the time being, then |
| 01:32.50 | s_ward | dtheory, you can pass an option for the type of config to make-kpkg, you shouldn't need to run menuconfig |
| 01:33.15 | solemnwarning | why is debian so outdated? |
| 01:33.17 | paster | "wishie2" at 203.206.16.196 pasted "Locale/Perl problem" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/455 |
| 01:33.24 | liable | dtheory: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image should do if you only want to make one. |
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| 01:33.31 | solemnwarning | i cant get any driver other then vesa to work with a 6600GT |
| 01:33.33 | mo1991 | peterS - btw do you know how I change the soundcards being loaded at boot time? I have three - only 2 can be loaded for FS software - I get it to work but with some lame workaround - I'ld like it to boot just with the 2 usb cards and ignore my laptops ali5451 internal |
| 01:33.37 | Guerin | johnynek: right. |
| 01:33.45 | solemnwarning | even the official drivers from apt dont work >:( |
| 01:34.00 | Guerin | solemnwarning: what distro are you using? |
| 01:34.05 | solemnwarning | debian3.1 |
| 01:34.07 | dtheory | s_ward: its making it as 386 |
| 01:34.29 | Guerin | solemnwarning: xorg is in unstable, will be in testing soon enough. |
| 01:34.32 | peterS | mo1991: normally if you stick module names in /etc/modules, they will be loaded before anything is auto-loaded, so they'll get the first two slots |
| 01:34.44 | peterS | mo1991: I've heard of this failing before, though, so I'm not sure what's up with that |
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| 01:35.02 | TK-1 | hmm didnt work |
| 01:35.11 | solemnwarning | so i cant use a 6600GT under debian until i wait 5years for debian to move a package from unstable to testing?? |
| 01:35.14 | TK-1 | ward i did that thing u said |
| 01:35.19 | Guerin | solemnwarning: stop whining |
| 01:35.22 | solemnwarning | <_< |
| 01:35.23 | mo1991 | peterS - they all load ok - I need the ali5451 to not load as FS program fails if 3 cards are recognized |
| 01:35.34 | Guerin | mo1991: blacklist? |
| 01:35.35 | s_ward | dtheory, make-kpkg --config menuconfig blah (or s/menuconfig/xconfig/) |
| 01:35.35 | solemnwarning | why is debian so ultra outdated? |
| 01:35.36 | peterS | mo1991: right, well, then you probably want to blacklist it |
| 01:35.40 | kagemajin | Is the user_xattr flag disabled already for XFS in Debian's 2.6.12 kernel image? |
| 01:35.40 | Guerin | solemnwarning: it's not. |
| 01:35.43 | peterS | !blacklist |
| 01:35.43 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 01:35.45 | peterS | mo1991: ^^^ |
| 01:35.58 | TK-1 | NV5M64 Riva TNT 2 |
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| 01:36.12 | ajpr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.22 | Guerin | ajpr: what kernel, what card? |
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| 01:36.32 | ajpr | 2.6 kernel and sb16pci |
| 01:36.45 | dtheory | and when this is done, how do I install it? |
| 01:37.15 | mo1991 | dpkg - none of the soundcards are in /etc/modules - and by foo do you mean the name of the module? |
| 01:37.16 | dpkg | mo1991: what are you talking about? |
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| 01:37.16 | Guerin | ajpr: modprobe snd-sb16 snd-pcm-oss |
| 01:37.27 | Guerin | mo1991: he does |
| 01:37.30 | Guerin | mo1991: he's a bot |
| 01:37.33 | ajpr | ok |
| 01:37.33 | peterS | Guerin: does snd-sb16 cover the PCI ones? |
| 01:37.36 | s_ward | TK-1, if you're talking to me, it's s_ward, your message gets highlighted then, and I know someone's talking to me |
| 01:37.55 | mo1991 | Guerin - ok - by foo it means the module I assume??? |
| 01:37.57 | Guerin | peterS: dunno |
| 01:38.00 | Guerin | mo1991: yes |
| 01:38.04 | peterS | looks like it does not |
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| 01:38.11 | peterS | ajpr: what does lspci say about the sound chip? 'lspci | grep audio' |
| 01:38.13 | mo1991 | Guerin - I'll try thx |
| 01:38.16 | s_ward | TK-1, what problem are you having now? |
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| 01:38.29 | Guerin | peterS: hrm, it's all that comes up on grep SB|grep 16 |
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| 01:38.47 | peterS | Guerin: right, I'm guessing he wants snd-ens1370 or similar |
| 01:38.57 | peterS | Guerin: ensoniq ~= creative |
| 01:39.06 | Guerin | peterS: hah, ok. |
| 01:39.16 | wishie2 | can someone please have a look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/455 . im having troubles with perl/locale, and therefore, apt. |
| 01:39.18 | mo1991 | Guerin - so adding skip snd-ali5451 to /etc/discover.conf should solve my problems? |
| 01:39.19 | ajpr | peters it says AC'97 Audio Controller and Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI |
| 01:39.22 | shingouz | Guerin: peterS: isn't it some emul10k or something along those lines? |
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| 01:39.26 | shingouz | !ac97 |
| 01:39.27 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 01:39.30 | TK-1 | i have changed the graphics driver to the nv one and it still wont kick up into the gui |
| 01:39.44 | peterS | shingouz: dude, he said what it is |
| 01:39.48 | rixth | Where are there no decent ALSA docs! I'm tryiing to route my sound throguh JACK |
| 01:39.52 | Guerin | mo1991: is that what the blacklist factoid says? |
| 01:39.53 | shingouz | yup |
| 01:40.02 | Guerin | rixth: alsa-project.org |
| 01:40.09 | s_ward | TK-1, what are the error messages (use the paster if you have to) |
| 01:40.18 | Guerin | ok |
| 01:40.19 | rixth | Guerin, yes, I know of that. |
| 01:40.28 | peterS | ajpr: snd-ens1371 is the module you want |
| 01:40.36 | ajpr | ok thanks |
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| 01:40.46 | TK-1 | one sec got to reboot it |
| 01:40.48 | ajpr | do i use apt-get install snd-ens1371 ? |
| 01:40.57 | Guerin | ajpr: modprobe |
| 01:41.01 | welson | ajpr, alsaconf |
| 01:41.02 | rixth | But I missed the JACK bit :) |
| 01:41.05 | peterS | ajpr: no, it's already available in your kernel. 'modprobe snd-ens1371; modprobe snd-pcm-oss' |
| 01:41.11 | ajpr | ok thanks |
| 01:42.20 | rixth | Eeek, alsaplayer-text requires GCC 4.0 |
| 01:42.24 | ajpr | and how do i know if it works? :] |
| 01:42.39 | ajpr | i didnt get any messages after typing those commands |
| 01:42.42 | peterS | ajpr: any random sound app will work after you modprobe those two modules |
| 01:42.59 | peterS | ajpr: run a mixer app like aumix or alsamixer, turn your volume levels up from 0 to something audible |
| 01:43.03 | peterS | ajpr: then try some sound app |
| 01:43.13 | wishie2 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/455 |
| 01:43.18 | wishie2 | please |
| 01:43.40 | peterS | ajpr: or try 'dmesg | tail' to see the end of your kernel log - snd-ens1371 will probably put a line or two in there to say hello |
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| 01:44.11 | ldexter | is DRI broken in Xorg? |
| 01:44.27 | welson | if an alternative is already symlinked and I issue -> update-alternatives <genname> <symlink> <altern> <priority>, update-alternatives --list <name> shows me one entry but saying the symlink- the symlink is not in the list, and then update-alternatives --config <name>---> is the problem now that update-alternatives say there's just one entry, but the symlink is wrong.. |
| 01:44.31 | TK-1 | says i cannot start x server your graphical interface not set up correctly |
| 01:44.33 | ldexter | I'm getting 'ioctl32(Xorg:6605): Unknown cmd fd(9) cmd(c0246400){00} arg(08736570) on /dev/dri/card0' |
| 01:45.01 | welson | did i make any sense? |
| 01:45.17 | ajpr | its not happy: Soundblaster 16 soundcard not found or device busy |
| 01:45.21 | TK-1 | i cant copy n paste the error msg it on my other pc |
| 01:45.37 | ajpr | unable to register OSS mixer device O:O |
| 01:45.46 | ajpr | unable to register OSS PCM device O:O |
| 01:45.47 | jetx | !xwontstart |
| 01:45.48 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
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| 01:45.51 | wishie2 | so i take it no-one else is having perl/locale problems then ? |
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| 01:46.03 | peterS | ajpr: I wonder why that would be then. did you already have the 'es1371' kernel module loaded or something? |
| 01:46.07 | jetx | think alsa |
| 01:46.14 | s_ward | TK-1, can you type it? Use the paster, or #flood |
| 01:46.15 | peterS | ajpr: 'lsmod' will list all your loaded modules. es1371 is an alternative driver for your chip |
| 01:46.20 | ajpr | i have no idea peterS |
| 01:46.49 | ajpr | ahh its already loaded i think |
| 01:47.06 | welson | !xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:47.07 | peterS | ajpr: in summary: either es1371 and snd-ens1371 will work, but trying to load both is pointless |
| 01:47.19 | peterS | uh, s/and/or/ |
| 01:47.23 | welson | peterS, shouldn't alsaconf try to do the trick? |
| 01:47.33 | ajpr | peterS so now what can i do |
| 01:47.38 | mo1991 | Guerin - I have added to the blacklist and added the skip snd-ali5451 and it still loads - any ideas? |
| 01:47.42 | peterS | welson: I've learned not to trust alsaconf after people continually come in here saying "I ran alsaconf and it didn't work..." |
| 01:47.55 | peterS | ajpr: your sound probably already works, thanks to the es1371 module you already had |
| 01:47.58 | jetx | both hotplug and discover load stuff and have blacklists |
| 01:48.15 | welson | peterS, good point.. kill the alsaconf developers >:) |
| 01:48.31 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 01:48.31 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 01:48.35 | TK-1 | i cant even find the error msg in it |
| 01:48.41 | jetx | given a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:48.47 | peterS | welson: it *should* be a pretty foolproof little script. I haven't looked at it in detail so I don't know why it fails for people, I just know it's easier to tell people what modules to load, by hand |
| 01:48.47 | ajpr | i cant hear anything on the cd player tho |
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| 01:49.04 | s_ward | TK-1, what about /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 01:49.19 | dtheory | make[3]: *** [drivers/char/generic_serial.o] Error 1 |
| 01:49.19 | dtheory | make[2]: *** [drivers/char] Error 2 |
| 01:49.19 | dtheory | make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2 |
| 01:49.24 | dtheory | err |
| 01:49.41 | peterS | ajpr: the CD player may or may not be physically wired to the sound card. if it's not, you can't play CDs except by running an app that effectively rips them in real time and plays the resulting wav files |
| 01:49.43 | dtheory | get that error doing a make-kpkg |
| 01:49.46 | mo1991 | peterS - I tried the bot's FAQ and the driver still loads - how do I get this snd-ali5451 alsa driver to not load - used to just remove it from /etc/modules.conf but I guess it's not that simple with 2.6? |
| 01:49.59 | ajpr | oh right i see |
| 01:50.07 | jetx | both hotplug and discover load stuff and have blacklists |
| 01:50.08 | ajpr | is there a way i can check for sound? |
| 01:50.31 | dtheory | is there any other options I can type to get around that problem? |
| 01:50.34 | s_ward | dtheory, is there a line that might be useful just before the make[3] ? |
| 01:50.41 | TK-1 | no such file |
| 01:50.45 | peterS | ajpr: do you have a sound file you can try playing? if not, a simple "cp /etc/passwd /dev/dsp" will make a short bit of static |
| 01:50.52 | dtheory | s_ward: drivers/char/generic_serial.c:888: warning: 'restore_flags' is deprecated (declared at include/linux/interrupt.h:78) |
| 01:50.55 | TK-1 | all i can find is mouse errors cause it ant plugged in |
| 01:50.58 | dtheory | and about 300 other "warning:" |
| 01:51.03 | peterS | ajpr: also, as I said before, run a mixer app and turn volume levels up. they probably all default to muted. |
| 01:51.08 | mo1991 | jetx I added skip snd-ali5451 to the discover.conf and added snd-ali5451 to the hotplug blacklist - it still loads, any ideas? |
| 01:51.22 | peterS | ajpr: finally, even if you do have your CD player wired to your sound card, that input channel might be muted in the mixer, so check that |
| 01:51.28 | dtheory | the worddeprecated is used a lot |
| 01:51.50 | s_ward | dtheory, I'd paste the lot in the paster |
| 01:51.50 | ajpr | ok |
| 01:52.00 | welson | peterS, i think alsaconf fiddles with udev and if it doesn't work for some people i'm guessing it may have something to do with it.. |
| 01:52.06 | dtheory | s_ward: paster? |
| 01:52.29 | welson | peterS, dpkg -L alsa-utils shows me a rules file for udev |
| 01:52.31 | peterS | welson: yeah, I just haven't checked. I gave up and started asking people for exactly what sound chip they had (and telling them how to find out) and telling them exactly what modules to load |
| 01:53.00 | TK-1 | whats the command to start the gui |
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| 01:53.03 | peterS | welson: in other words I behave as a sort of human alsaconf. so far I seem to be pretty reliable |
| 01:53.13 | s_ward | !paster dtheory |
| 01:53.15 | dtheory | the apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 went flawless, I installed the kernel-source, in the directory, patched the directory, loaded the old .config (should I even do this? or should I go through every entry and select what I want, or will it auto read my hardware?) |
| 01:53.23 | Xenguy | TK-1: startx ? |
| 01:53.27 | mo1991 | peterS I added skip snd-ali5451 to the discover.conf and added snd-ali5451 to the hotplug blacklist - it still loads, any ideas? |
| 01:53.37 | s_ward | !paster |
| 01:53.37 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 01:53.39 | peterS | dtheory: so did the patch command work? complained about a few line offsets but nothing worse? |
| 01:53.53 | dtheory | peterS: yes, the patch did work, the make-kpkg failed |
| 01:54.02 | effbiae | hi all, where can i find the man pages for 'spawn' (c library?) |
| 01:54.18 | peterS | mo1991: you *might* have to refer to it as snd_ali5451 instead of snd-ali5451 |
| 01:54.28 | dtheory | peterS: should I try again without loading the old config? (i really dont want to go through the entire menuconfig, but I will if I have to) |
| 01:54.31 | peterS | mo1991: because the 2.6 module-init-tools translates all - to _ at run time |
| 01:54.34 | jetx | mo1991: i would get ripped if i said, "if you get desperate, rm -R /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/pci/ali5451/ " so i won't say that |
| 01:54.39 | welson | effbiae, apropos spawn |
| 01:54.45 | peterS | jetx: no, that's not terribly unreasonable (: |
| 01:55.02 | peterS | dtheory: try just 'make drivers/scsi/sata_promise.ko' |
| 01:55.03 | ajpr | peterS: that cp command failed with :cannot create regular file `/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy |
| 01:55.04 | peterS | dtheory: see if that works |
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| 01:55.20 | peterS | ajpr: device or resource busy means something else is using your sound device |
| 01:55.25 | peterS | ajpr: like some other application |
| 01:55.37 | ajpr | but i have nothing open |
| 01:55.42 | peterS | ajpr: someone does |
| 01:55.49 | peterS | ajpr: 'lsof /dev/dsp' will say who |
| 01:55.52 | dtheory | peterS: it didnt, no rule to make target |
| 01:56.10 | peterS | dtheory: bah, I thought 2.6 makefiles supported that syntax. oh well. |
| 01:56.13 | effbiae | welson: $ apropos spawn |
| 01:56.13 | effbiae | spawn: nothing appropriate. |
| 01:56.14 | welson | anyone knows how to overcome update-alternatives preventing me from updating its symlink, if there's only one alternative entry in the list? |
| 01:56.21 | ajpr | apparently i have it open# |
| 01:56.41 | jetx | make another symlink ? |
| 01:56.46 | gilber | hello i wanna install sendmail in sarge with apt-get install sendmail, but shows errors of dependency |
| 01:56.59 | Guerin | gilber: then you're not running plain sarge |
| 01:57.00 | welson | effbiae, mandb, then try it again.. (or i'm not to sure about case-sensitivity)-> apropos .|grep -i spawn |
| 01:57.01 | jetx | gilber: dselect is better at that |
| 01:57.14 | dtheory | peterS: reccomend anything else? |
| 01:57.27 | ajpr | ok well thanks for all the help peters but im gonna go sleep, debian is just too difficult |
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| 01:57.39 | jetx | ajpr: no, just takes time |
| 01:57.41 | mwilson | gilber: Dependency errors like what? |
| 01:57.45 | amphi | effbiae: apt-get install manpages-dev if you haven't |
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| 01:57.51 | gilber | ok jetx |
| 01:57.52 | peterS | ajpr: go to sleep then. alternatively we could switch you to ALSA |
| 01:57.58 | ajpr | time i guess is ttrue |
| 01:58.03 | TK-1 | any ideas what this means? (WW)Sytem lacks support for changing MTRRs |
| 01:58.05 | ajpr | i'll come back tomorrow :] |
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| 01:58.17 | ajpr | till then! goodbye |
| 01:58.18 | jetx | :) |
| 01:58.21 | GlingGling | I'm reluctant to ask for help because I may not have fully fixed previous problems. But I have just installed x-window-system and when I type startx I am getting a fatal IO error 104 and it also says No devices detected. I have an x800XL. Wondering if anyone had any ideas? |
| 01:58.22 | peterS | TK-1: dunno, debian kernels should all support mtrr changing |
| 01:58.28 | gilber | mwilson sendmail-bin and rmail |
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| 01:58.58 | jetx | GlingGling: sounds like pci-x or e, and xfree86 |
| 01:59.02 | effbiae | $ mandb |
| 01:59.03 | effbiae | 0 man subdirectories contained newer manual pages. |
| 01:59.03 | effbiae | 0 manual pages were added. |
| 01:59.03 | effbiae | 0 stray cats were added. |
| 01:59.03 | effbiae | 0 old database entries were purged. |
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| 01:59.07 | mwilson | gilber: We'll try again... what errors do you get? |
| 01:59.08 | s_ward | TK-1, by the (WW) it looks like a warning from X(Free86|org) |
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| 01:59.30 | peterS | s_ward: yeah but it's an odd one. debian kernels should all support MTRR mangling |
| 01:59.34 | GlingGling | yes, I have pciexpress and xfree86 |
| 01:59.44 | GlingGling | Is there an incompatibility? |
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| 01:59.52 | jetx | i know nothing, but i think it's not supported |
| 01:59.54 | welson | effbiae, that just updates the cache, you can try finding spawn somewhere |
| 02:00.10 | effbiae | welso: somewhere? |
| 02:00.12 | GlingGling | is there any x11 system that is supported with pciexpress? |
| 02:00.12 | s_ward | peterS, was going to say "it shouldn't happen" |
| 02:00.16 | TK-1 | only other (WW) is no core pointer registerd |
| 02:00.20 | jetx | xorg in sid |
| 02:00.29 | s_ward | peterS, they're always the famous last words though :) |
| 02:00.33 | peterS | TK-1: no core pointer might be an issue. how did you generate your XF86Config-4 file? |
| 02:00.33 | jetx | or 'cringe' ubuntu |
| 02:00.39 | welson | effbiae, well you need to know if you have the manpages |
| 02:00.52 | jetx | but like i siad, i know nothing |
| 02:00.55 | jetx | said |
| 02:00.59 | welson | effbiae, somewheren mentioned a -dev package (read above) |
| 02:01.06 | Gumby | does anyone know where I can get install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz? I have tried the macromedia site but the downloads keep stalling (and have been for some months) |
| 02:01.08 | gilber | mwilson errors whit these broken packages (sendmail-bin & rmail) |
| 02:01.11 | TK-1 | hey n00b here i dunno lol i just ran the config |
| 02:01.12 | SDFH_Linux | guys how do i lock udev so i can upgrade everything thing else on apt-get? |
| 02:01.14 | jetx | i think they said apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 02:01.27 | TK-1 | i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:01.29 | peterS | SDFH_Linux: /msg dpkg hold |
| 02:01.32 | TK-1 | n changed it |
| 02:01.35 | effbiae | wels: $ locate spawn --> shows no man pages |
| 02:01.36 | peterS | TK-1: weird then, you should have a core pointer defined |
| 02:01.42 | dtheory | so when I am compiling a kernel with make menuconfig and NOT using my old .config file, do I have to go through every entry to make sure my hardware is * or M? |
| 02:01.50 | mwilson | gilber: The packages aren't broken. We'll try again... what error messages do you get? |
| 02:01.51 | peterS | effbiae: 'spawn' is a postfix command, you get that manpage if you install postfix |
| 02:02.05 | welson | effbiae, manpages-dev |
| 02:02.24 | peterS | effbiae: or are you wanting to know about something else that relates to spawning? |
| 02:02.25 | effbiae | peterS thanks, welson thanks -- will get those packages and try again. |
| 02:02.26 | mwilson | dtheory: Of course. |
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| 02:02.33 | mo1991 | HMM - as a simple fix - does anyone know the command to unload all alsa modules - I can then re-load the ones I need by hand? |
| 02:02.33 | gilber | mwilson, thanks i will go to debian spanish, sorry |
| 02:02.40 | welson | effbiae, apt-get install manpages-dev tkman |
| 02:02.46 | TK-1 | no ideas then i guess ^^ :P |
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| 02:02.48 | jetx | rmmod snd-* maybe |
| 02:02.55 | peterS | effbiae: emacs comes with a 'sex.6' manpage, which is kind of related to spawning |
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| 02:03.04 | welson | effbiae, tkman is a gui front-end and collapses subsections for easy viewing... |
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| 02:03.13 | TwistedEmotions | sex manpage? |
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| 02:03.16 | TwistedEmotions | Hmm.. |
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| 02:03.28 | TwistedEmotions | too much time on computer IS damaging. |
| 02:03.29 | s_ward | TK-1, what happened exactly> |
| 02:03.32 | jetx | mo1991: apt-get install modconf && modconf |
| 02:03.47 | TK-1 | i changed my video card n the gui wouldnt boot up |
| 02:04.02 | peterS | mo1991: or, lsmod | grep ^snd; then rmmod those module names, in order from top to bottom |
| 02:04.03 | TK-1 | they i changed it in the config to the rite one and the gui still wont boot up |
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| 02:04.28 | peterS | mo1991: or, lsmod | awk '/^snd/{print $1}' | xargs -n1 rmmod |
| 02:04.41 | TK-1 | just got a fatal io error 104 |
| 02:05.05 | welson | Gumby, place non-free in your sources (search apt-get.org ) |
| 02:05.28 | TK-1 | what i recon format n start from scrach |
| 02:05.30 | s_ward | TK-1, how do you login, using the text console or by some graphical login? |
| 02:05.38 | TK-1 | text |
| 02:05.38 | Gumby | welson: I have non-free there. I didnt realize that the script downloaded the file also. I thought it just wanted to know where you have already downloaded it to |
| 02:05.47 | TK-1 | the gui wont even kick in |
| 02:05.52 | welson | Gumby, you need to apt-get update first |
| 02:06.04 | s_ward | TK-1, so you try running 'startx' ? |
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| 02:06.28 | TK-1 | yer and it trys about 4 times with blank screens then goes bak to txt |
| 02:06.29 | dvst | hi, I'm working translating the "new maintainer process" conference of debconf becosa I'm looking to put it subtitles in my native languaje (spanish) to a event that we have plan it to be the 20/8 in honor of debian for the 12 aniversary |
| 02:06.34 | TK-1 | with this at the bottom |
| 02:06.41 | welson | Gumby, the script has a wrapper so that it downloads the tarball and does the rest.. |
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| 02:06.49 | dvst | I wonder if anyone can help me |
| 02:06.59 | s_ward | TK-1, ok, just clearing up in my head that you weren't doing something silly like not even starting X |
| 02:07.05 | welson | Gumby, the script meaning its inside the .deb file being downloaded, opened and run... |
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| 02:07.23 | TK-1 | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X Server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 02:07.28 | welson | Gumby, this is automated of course.. |
| 02:07.30 | peterS | TK-1: are you related to TK-432? |
| 02:07.41 | peterS | if so, why aren't you at your post? |
| 02:07.42 | Gumby | welson: yes, I figured all that out. thank you |
| 02:07.50 | TK-1 | no lol peter |
| 02:07.58 | daedalus_ | dvst: check debian-es? |
| 02:08.13 | daedalus_ | dvst: err #debian-es? |
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| 02:08.28 | TK-1 | i tell u what 4 my first day using linux i wanna shoot my self tho :S |
| 02:08.58 | welson | TK-1, what are you using sarge? |
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| 02:09.42 | dvs7 | i got a part of the typing, can anyone help us? it would be hear an type in english, we translate and do the rest |
| 02:09.44 | daedalus_ | dvs7:check #debian-es? |
| 02:09.53 | TK-1 | what u mean gui? |
| 02:10.08 | daedalus_ | dvs7: Oh, I see. |
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| 02:10.42 | daedalus_ | dvs7: How long of a transcription are we talking about? |
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| 02:10.58 | welson | !xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:11.15 | welson | the bot is dead :( |
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| 02:11.35 | dvs7 | daedalus_, the video that I got don't show the real time, but it might be about 30min |
| 02:11.37 | dli | some convert master show me a command line to decrease the image size by half (0.5x and 0.5y) |
| 02:11.38 | liable | !hi |
| 02:11.38 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 02:11.48 | dtheory | my head hurts, and i cant rememver anything, what are the commands to unbzip2 ? |
| 02:11.50 | welson | !smart |
| 02:11.50 | dpkg | somebody said smart was the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 02:11.55 | welson | !xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:11.57 | s_ward | weasel, no he isn't, he just doesn't have that factiod |
| 02:12.05 | dvs7 | daedalus_, I need someone that really understand english, cuz sometimes we the spanish talking lose some words |
| 02:12.05 | s_ward | welson &&& |
| 02:12.08 | welson | dpkg needs a makeshift |
| 02:12.11 | TK-1 | any1 know a good bridge i can take me self 2 n jump off :S |
| 02:12.15 | peterS | 'e's not dead yet |
| 02:12.25 | dtheory | nm |
| 02:12.30 | welson | TK-1, ifconfig br0 |
| 02:12.31 | fas3r | sorry if they are a shell guru ;) //// |
| 02:12.32 | dtheory | my head hurts |
| 02:12.52 | welson | TK-1, but first buy another nic :) |
| 02:12.55 | peterS | ////: command not found |
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| 02:13.32 | TK-1 | lol |
| 02:13.35 | erica_ | Hello... I don't think my .xinitrc is running... I am using sarge, with fluxbox packages. my .xinitrc is chmod 0755 and begins with a hash-bang. |
| 02:13.48 | TK-1 | rite ok i am formattin starting fresh lol |
| 02:13.53 | s_ward | erica_, you probably want .xsession instead |
| 02:13.56 | welson | TK-1, in the real world we go running naked in the streets and terrorize m$ campus.. |
| 02:13.57 | erica_ | hm |
| 02:13.59 | liable | !tar |
| 02:13.59 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 02:14.01 | dvs7 | daedalus_, you got the video? you can help us? |
| 02:14.14 | liable | dtheory: ^^ |
| 02:14.23 | erica_ | s_ward: I can put other commands, like fbpager, in .xsession ? |
| 02:14.32 | peterS | ahh, speaking of shells, csh doesn't lie. |
| 02:14.35 | peterS | % if I had a ( for every stupid person in #debian, what would I have? |
| 02:14.35 | peterS | Too many ('s. |
| 02:14.35 | erica_ | I will try that. |
| 02:14.35 | TK-1 | well here in england its 2 bloody cold 2 do that :) |
| 02:14.36 | s_ward | erica_, yes |
| 02:14.42 | rixth | Okay, I have an onboard sound chip (VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)) but I can't get it to play via PCM. It will only output through 'VIA DXS' |
| 02:14.50 | rixth | How can I get it to output via PCM |
| 02:14.57 | daedalus_ | !info xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:15.04 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 5607 kB, Installed size: 15616 kB |
| 02:15.11 | TK-1 | ward u lost 4 ideas? |
| 02:15.11 | peterS | rixth: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 02:15.24 | erica_ | s_ward: Thank you! |
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| 02:15.35 | rixth | peterS, I use ALSA |
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| 02:15.54 | peterS | rixth: then I don't understand its reluctance to output to pcm |
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| 02:16.11 | welson | rixth, alsa's site tells about pasting your .asoundrc in ~ |
| 02:16.17 | Roburd | i think it was einstein who said that biggest thing in the universe is human stupidity. that made me think. |
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| 02:17.01 | peterS | Roburd: it's almost impossible to say that, unfortunately, without being condescending |
| 02:17.07 | welson | Roburd, he was more of a cursor than an icon.. thanks to him there's now wmd problems.. |
| 02:17.16 | peterS | Roburd: people usually consider only the *rest* of humanity stupid, after all, not themselves |
| 02:17.29 | rixth | welson, Okay, I'm looking into that now |
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| 02:18.07 | welson | peterS, i think ~/.asoundrc is a requirement to get pcm working for some people.. |
| 02:18.12 | peterS | welson: without atomic physics there would be no athlon xp for you to sit in front of like a zombie, either |
| 02:18.30 | welson | peterS, ah ah ah "nuclear" physics ;).. |
| 02:18.33 | stew | Roburd: "only 2 things are infinite, the universe and humun stupidity, and i'm not sure about the former" |
| 02:18.47 | s_ward | TK-1, yes, I am a bit lost for ideas |
| 02:18.47 | welson | peterS, atomic physics goes back even to plato's early times.. |
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| 02:19.15 | peterS | stew: yeah, it's still pompous. einstein could get away with saying pompous things because we all knew he really *was* a smart dude |
| 02:19.22 | TK-1 | cheers ward and people |
| 02:19.29 | TK-1 | im gonna try reformattin anyhow |
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| 02:19.35 | TK-1 | speak 2 u lot in abit |
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| 02:20.13 | stew | yup |
| 02:20.17 | gigglebug | has anyone use pymusique? |
| 02:20.20 | Eonn_ | guys just tried to install the accounting package "Quasar" and i keep on getting this message "<Missing ICU development includes" during ./configure stage. Any suggestions??? |
| 02:20.35 | gigglebug | im getting an error trying to sign up |
| 02:20.37 | Roburd | peterS: we are all human after all. and i agree with you 100% it is more likely that everyone is more ready to point the finger away from themselves (including me) but the more I learn the more i see that pointy finger coming right back to me. |
| 02:20.40 | Guerin | !tell Eonn_ about search |
| 02:20.42 | dtheory | how do I view chanell log? |
| 02:20.42 | gigglebug | no error mesg, just a peep |
| 02:20.45 | Roburd | but this is a debian channel |
| 02:20.45 | gigglebug | i mean beep |
| 02:21.20 | Roburd | does amanda seem to be a good backup alternative for deb use? |
| 02:21.21 | welson | TK-1, abit is a company, a bit is a digital term, be careful :) |
| 02:21.22 | Guerin | gigglebug: more fool you for wanting to use iScams |
| 02:21.26 | s_ward | dtheory, you mean IRC? Depends on your client |
| 02:21.57 | Eonn_ | Guerin: Tried installing icu package but still end up with the same error |
| 02:22.02 | gigglebug | Guerin: what do you mean? i just want to buy music an line. |
| 02:22.14 | gigglebug | /an/on/ |
| 02:22.19 | dtheory | s_ward: xchat |
| 02:22.39 | s_ward | dtheory, ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs/* |
| 02:22.46 | welson | dtheory, when i go to console now I embrace multitail -- ahh colors in the shell... |
| 02:22.48 | peterS | Eonn_: in debian you generally need a *-dev package for compiling stuff with specific libraries |
| 02:23.05 | gigglebug | do we just need to sign up in windows? |
| 02:23.14 | Guerin | gigglebug: yeah ... from itunes, the biggest scam on the market |
| 02:23.20 | s_ward | dtheory, that assumed you had logging on, which I don't think is the default |
| 02:23.22 | Eonn_ | PeterS: so does this mean i would need the icu-dev package |
| 02:23.26 | user01 | none of the channels ever respond :p |
| 02:23.27 | Guerin | gigglebug: don't buy music from itunes, it's bad for your health |
| 02:23.31 | gigglebug | Guerin: please explain |
| 02:23.32 | peterS | Eonn_: libicu28-dev or similar. search. |
| 02:23.39 | Guerin | Eonn_: you need the -dev packages |
| 02:23.49 | dtheory | s_ward: I set it up when I installed xchat :) |
| 02:23.51 | dontpanic | I am tring to get xconfig to work |
| 02:23.55 | Eonn_ | righto thanks for the direction |
| 02:24.04 | gigglebug | so where should i buy music online using linux |
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| 02:24.17 | SDFH_Linux | buy? |
| 02:24.22 | dontpanic | the error is telling me I need a QT package |
| 02:24.23 | gigglebug | its the only place i've found that offers it |
| 02:24.25 | user01 | is there a channel for canandian french users of latex? :) |
| 02:24.26 | SDFH_Linux | why? |
| 02:24.46 | gigglebug | SDFH_Linux: i like to do things legally whenever possible |
| 02:24.47 | dontpanic | I can do an apt-get for that right? |
| 02:24.50 | Guerin | gigglebug: what's to explain about $1 per for low-bitrate, songs that you can't use as you would if you'd bought it on cd, from a company who capitalise on the gullibility of their customers? |
| 02:24.59 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 02:25.05 | peterS | dontpanic: libqt3-mt-dev, probably |
| 02:25.11 | Roburd | gigglebug: i would run a minimal old windows box with a big hdd for your itunes |
| 02:25.18 | welson | gigglebug, now there's something with service streams rather than buying music files -- musicmatch and others are competing in this... |
| 02:25.30 | Guerin | gigglebug: there are a bunch of others, google around. |
| 02:25.51 | gigglebug | welson does music match work with totem or vlc |
| 02:26.11 | dontpanic | peterS: thanks |
| 02:26.14 | gigglebug | guerin how to do google for linux compatable? |
| 02:26.16 | Guerin | dontpanic: don't use xconfig, use menuconfig |
| 02:26.26 | welson | gigglebug, i think they are mostly mp3 streamers, so i know xmms would work, i don't see why not many others neither.. |
| 02:26.42 | Guerin | gigglebug: any company which REQUIRES you to use a specific client app isn't worth buying off |
| 02:27.01 | welson | gigglebug, but those who aren't stupid know that they can save the stream.. however i haven't checked one out and don't know how good the sound turns out.. |
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| 02:27.15 | Roburd | gigglebug: musicmatch is pretty good. itunes seems to be more popular that mm for people under (it seems) about 30 yrs old. mm has a much better selection of older music from what I can tell. |
| 02:27.18 | dontpanic | Guerin: are there any good how to's for menuconfig |
| 02:27.30 | Guerin | gigglebug: in any case, since pymusique isn't an entirely legal client app, you're still not legal, there. |
| 02:27.48 | welson | dontpanic, you mean kernel building? |
| 02:27.55 | peterS | dontpanic: nothing hard about the menuconfig interface. the *content*, which is the same as xconfig, is another story |
| 02:27.56 | user01 | does tetex work like miktex? |
| 02:28.02 | gigglebug | ok, let me expand... i'm new to linux and all i want is to buy music online |
| 02:28.02 | Guerin | dontpanic: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package libncurses5-dev; make menuconfig |
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| 02:28.21 | peterS | user01: tetex works like any command line tex. miktex I don't know. |
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| 02:28.40 | dontpanic | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 02:28.56 | Guerin | dontpanic: see also /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 02:28.57 | user01 | peterS: miktex seearches and downloads and installs the packages you need to compile |
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| 02:29.09 | user01 | if not already installed |
| 02:29.21 | dontpanic | Guerin: what is that? |
| 02:29.25 | peterS | user01: tetex includes a great many tex components already. it has no provision for automatically fetching more, though |
| 02:29.47 | welson | user01, wikipedia.org , I think there's an abundance of french pages -> wikipedia latex, i'm currently popping in learning about it time 2 time (also mediawiki is really cool-- a php program that works with mysql -- mediawiki drives the wikipedia site).. |
| 02:29.52 | Guerin | dontpanic: it's what you should use to build your kernel once you've made menuconfig |
| 02:29.58 | ozzloy | gigglebug, go to magnatune.com they have some good (though not mainstream) stuff |
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| 02:30.29 | dontpanic | Guerin: I will have a look at it, thanks |
| 02:30.34 | user01 | welson: the problem is that there are lots of templates in french but not for quebec french |
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| 02:30.54 | Guerin | gigglebug: basically, itunes isn't supported by linux, because steve jobs is a twat. You have other options, like emusic.com, magnatune.com, allofmp3.com |
| 02:30.58 | ozzloy | gigglebug, by "not mainstream" i don't mean that it's weird music, it's largely enjoyable and similar to stuff you hear on radio/tv but its made by different artists |
| 02:31.10 | Guerin | i don't think the new yahoo music buying scam has linux support, though |
| 02:31.11 | user01 | welson: the lettre class automatically sets for A4 and when i put in letterpaper, it still puts it out in A4 |
| 02:31.13 | rixth | Does anyone (please don't !anyone me :) know how to route sound from ALSA through JACK? |
| 02:31.15 | welson | user01, templates of what? |
| 02:31.19 | Roburd | gigglebug: it really does not take much CPU to run music at all. I have a running music computer that is a Pentium 166 Mhz with an old analog sound card ($3) that is preamping a 50 watt per channel 20 year old amp going into some 200 watt speakers and it gets compliments |
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| 02:31.33 | Guerin | rixth: someone, somewhere, must know. |
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| 02:31.57 | welson | user01, I have no clue what program you're using and how you're printing it.. |
| 02:32.10 | user01 | welson: i need like a model for francais babel that doesnt turn the letterpaper command to A4 paper |
| 02:32.18 | gigglebug | Roburd: I only have one computer, I don't just have one layeing around, and the computer I have plays music just fine, I just want to be able to sit in my dorm room and pick aup a couple song every once and a while |
| 02:32.34 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 02:32.34 | dpkg | methinks qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 02:32.36 | ozzloy | rixth, i think your question is really "how do i..." rather than "does anyone know how to..." |
| 02:32.38 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd1 |
| 02:32.38 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 02:32.43 | welson | user01, what have u tried searching for? |
| 02:32.45 | user01 | welson: the source code should be the same for and tex system :p |
| 02:32.48 | Guerin | g'day ricky_clarkson |
| 02:33.10 | rixth | How do I route sound from ALSA through JACK? |
| 02:33.12 | ozzloy | rixth, i don't know though... my best help would be to suggest google |
| 02:33.19 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: I'm drrrrunk. |
| 02:33.21 | rixth | Ive looed. |
| 02:33.24 | user01 | welson: "quebec lettre latex" mainly |
| 02:33.26 | FieldySnuts | @fart |
| 02:33.28 | peterS | what do you know, it's ricky_clarkson |
| 02:33.50 | Roburd | gigglebug: i ran up against same problems and pulled that crusty old windows box out (got the spiders out of it) bug a 40 gig hdd in it, downloaded from musicmatch.com and away we go. the real work is in ripping all your own cds |
| 02:34.04 | welson | user01, isn't A4 just very short of letter? |
| 02:34.14 | peterS | welson: taller and thinner |
| 02:34.18 | user01 | welson: A4 is narrower and longer |
| 02:34.27 | Guerin | !congratulate ricky_clarkson |
| 02:34.28 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies ricky_clarkson, you did it! |
| 02:34.44 | karsten | user01: ... and uncut? |
| 02:35.06 | s_ward | Is ricky_clarkson like jeremy clarkson but worse? |
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| 02:35.13 | rixth | The only reason I want to route though JACK is so that I can use an equalizer. |
| 02:35.18 | rixth | ALSA doesn't have one. |
| 02:35.25 | user01 | karsten: uncut? |
| 02:35.37 | Roburd | gigglebug: hold on a sec. i am going to check something out. :0 |
| 02:35.40 | karsten | rixth: Um. Can't you run a mixer / equalizer app? |
| 02:35.41 | Roburd | :) |
| 02:35.47 | karsten | user01: longer, harder ... |
| 02:36.14 | rixth | Karnaugh, Um, no. there aren't any. |
| 02:36.22 | rixth | Atleast in apt-cache. |
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| 02:37.23 | mohadib | in the magic file how much offset is >>20? |
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| 02:38.54 | karsten | user01: http://www.metacritic.com/video/titles/southparkblu/ |
| 02:39.00 | Guerin | mohadib: depends on the college of magic |
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| 02:39.23 | mohadib | Guerin: er..? |
| 02:39.24 | karsten | Guerin: u a girl? |
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| 02:39.46 | rixth | karsten, So what is one of these EQ apps eh? They seem imaginary. |
| 02:39.48 | karsten | mohadib: Likely 20 bytes. Might try tossing stuff at it. Which entry? |
| 02:40.01 | mohadib | karsten: Riff MP3 |
| 02:40.11 | mohadib | karsten: i tried 20 bytes , did not seem to work |
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| 02:40.23 | mohadib | karsten: well didnt seem to match 85 |
| 02:40.25 | ozzloy | rixth, after reading a bit about it, it looks more like the other way around. you could set applications to send their data through jack, which then sends the data to alsa and finally to your speakers |
| 02:40.34 | Guerin | karsten: not 2day |
| 02:40.36 | karsten | rixth: Well, xmms has its own. |
| 02:40.38 | midg3t | should my xsession file be called $HOME/.Xsession or $HOME/.xsession? The debian doc "How to set up ssh so you aren't asked for a password" says to use the lowercase version, whereas Xsession(5) has it listed with a capital X |
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| 02:41.00 | Guerin | mohadib: doesn't matter |
| 02:41.02 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:41.03 | karsten | rixth: apt-cache search equalizer turns up some results, mostly xmms plugins. |
| 02:41.07 | Guerin | midg3t: does matter |
| 02:41.07 | mohadib | Guerin: what doesnt? |
| 02:41.10 | mohadib | oh |
| 02:41.10 | midg3t | cheers |
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| 02:41.13 | Guerin | doesN'T |
| 02:41.17 | ozzloy | rixth, i'm still lookin for information that'll be more helpful |
| 02:41.18 | midg3t | if i had both files, would both be parsed? |
| 02:41.22 | rixth | karsten, Exactly, I want something system wide though |
| 02:41.22 | midg3t | (i don't, but if i did..) :) |
| 02:41.33 | karsten | rixth: Which magic file BTW? |
| 02:41.34 | Guerin | midg3t: one would be chosen first ... .Xsession, i think |
| 02:41.53 | rixth | ozzloy, thanks! The main thing I want to equalize is the output of RhythmBox (that uses GStreamer) |
| 02:42.02 | karsten | rixth: Dig. Not sure... |
| 02:42.21 | rixth | karsten, "Which magic file BTW?" huh? |
| 02:42.30 | karsten | rixth: eg: /usr/share/misc/magic |
| 02:42.38 | karsten | rixth: man (5) magic describes format BTW. |
| 02:42.51 | mohadib | karsten: hmm , ill send an email to my GLUG |
| 02:42.55 | karsten | rixth: ... and yes, offset's in bytes. |
| 02:43.15 | rixth | I don't have a /usr/share/misc/magic file/dir |
| 02:43.36 | kevin | midg3t: in /etc/X11/Xsession, you'll see that it checks for both .xsession and .Xsession in your home dir. |
| 02:44.02 | mohadib | karsten: but some have liek >>48 , some >>20 some are just 0 or 2 |
| 02:44.04 | karsten | rixth: /usr/share/misc/file/magic |
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| 02:44.18 | karsten | mohadib: Indeed. Not sure. |
| 02:44.21 | peterS | rixth: yeah, the default magic file moved between woody and sarge, karsten was thinking of the old location |
| 02:44.27 | Roburd | gigglebug: i have info to share thats off-topic. dcc me. |
| 02:44.38 | midg3t | ok, thanks. much appreciated |
| 02:44.55 | karsten | mohadib: That concerns the test level. |
| 02:45.00 | rixth | karsten, so what do you want to know about it? |
| 02:45.10 | karsten | mohadib: 'Some file formats contain additional information ...' in the manpage. |
| 02:45.15 | mohadib | karsten: ah , looks to be some sort of relative offset |
| 02:45.16 | mohadib | ty |
| 02:45.26 | Eonn_ | PeterS: are you able to delete the -dev packages after you have used them to compile the sourcecode? |
| 02:45.33 | peterS | Eonn_: yes |
| 02:45.36 | karsten | rixth: Um. *I* am not asking the question. |
| 02:45.49 | ozzloy | rixth, there is a gstreamer jack plugin. i think you could convince gstreamer to send sound through jack with it |
| 02:45.50 | rixth | "rixth: Which magic file BTW?" |
| 02:46.00 | Eonn_ | PeterS: good to know, ive had to download over 80Mb thus far |
| 02:46.07 | peterS | Eonn_: ouch |
| 02:46.07 | rixth | ozzloy, Yes, but I don't know how to set it up, or how to configure JACK |
| 02:46.36 | peterS | Eonn_: note that if you use 'aptitude' to select and download this stuff, you want to make sure the libraries (not -dev packages) remain installed after you delete the -dev |
| 02:46.50 | GlingON | I just migrated my xfree86 to xorg because xfree86 wasn't work (someone said because I have pci express). X will still not start and gives a Fatal IO error 104 and is also telling me that no devices were deteced. Does anyone have any advice? |
| 02:47.16 | Eonn_ | PeterS: okay will look into that ... |
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| 02:48.30 | ozzloy | rixth, from the command line you have to do gstreamer-properties and tell it to use jack. as for configuring jack, idk. |
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| 02:49.05 | dli | any freak ever tried to minimize the size of debian in RAM? |
| 02:49.29 | Gathond | dli: dont start as many programs |
| 02:49.31 | dli | I don't need any service, just want to run freenet on it. I don't need anything more than freenet |
| 02:49.32 | ricky_clarkson | If I turn off my machine, Debian doesn't use much RAM. |
| 02:49.32 | ozzloy | rixth, you might have to be root |
| 02:49.37 | rixth | ozzloy, but what would I set for the pipeline |
| 02:49.39 | ozzloy | to do the gstreamer |
| 02:49.49 | Gathond | dli: other thatn that I dont really think there is that much one can shave off the memory usage |
| 02:50.00 | dli | Gathond, I think I turned off almost everything, and recomplied the kernel |
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| 02:50.23 | dli | Gathond, right now, I got 16 MB used right after booting |
| 02:51.05 | ozzloy | rixth, the source pipeline? um... that's outside the bounds of what i know about. |
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| 02:51.51 | ozzloy | what would i set for the source pipeline in gstreamer-properties to get it to use jack? and how do i get jack to use alsa? |
| 02:51.56 | YaleR | can a raid device only contain a single partition? |
| 02:52.03 | Gathond | dli: unless your system is really limited in the amount of supported/available Memory I really think its a waste of time :) |
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| 02:52.13 | Guerin | dli: that's not much |
| 02:52.18 | Guerin | !free ram |
| 02:52.18 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 02:52.34 | dli | Guerin, interesting, whether I can push even harder |
| 02:52.55 | TNKS | hi all. If I'm on the testing distribution. . . does it make sense to continue source.list'ing the stable distribution? |
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| 02:53.19 | bob2 | no |
| 02:53.36 | SDFH_Linux | whats the msg command again for holding packages |
| 02:53.48 | ricky_clarkson | !hold |
| 02:53.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
| 02:53.59 | mohadib | karsten: thanks |
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| 02:54.21 | ricky_clarkson | SDFH_Linux: You could try 'hold'. |
| 02:54.25 | zepeuga | when starting X i have this error: __glXActiveScreens from module |
| 02:54.25 | zepeuga | /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
| 02:54.32 | SDFH_Linux | tried it |
| 02:54.33 | zepeuga | what is the problm ? |
| 02:54.57 | SDFH_Linux | got it |
| 02:55.05 | mohadib | karsten: but if im looking at RIFF , after that string which is the first 4 bytes , i then need to >8 , so would that not be the 12th byte? , im getting unanticipated results |
| 02:55.27 | karsten | mohadib: NP. |
| 02:55.35 | karsten | mohadib: NFC, sorry. |
| 02:55.56 | karsten | mohadib: Might want to find the riff file format description somewhere. |
| 02:56.11 | zinx | the RIFF file format is described by ever-changing windows headers |
| 02:56.17 | peterS | mohadib: >8 is relative to 0, not relative to the previous line |
| 02:56.33 | ozzloy | rixth, as for getting jack to use alsa, this website looks promising. i only skimmed it though, and i don't have jack running here so i can't really test it: http://www.djcj.org/LAU/jack/ |
| 02:56.35 | mohadib | peterS: oh , yes , thatnks so much both of you |
| 02:56.46 | mohadib | peterS: er.. |
| 02:57.16 | mohadib | peterS: nice :) |
| 02:57.29 | rixth | ozzloy, Yes, I was looking at that before. Now looking into using LADSPA =/ |
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| 02:57.59 | ozzloy | rixth, good luck. sounds been a PITA here too. |
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| 03:00.52 | mohadib | peterS: so if i have 0 the >8 then >>20 the >>20 would mean byte 28 if all other test are true? |
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| 03:01.15 | peterS | mohadib: no, >>20 is byte 20 if the >8 is true |
| 03:01.23 | peterS | mohadib: >20 would mean byte 20 whether or not >8 is true |
| 03:01.28 | TNKS | bob2, I noticed you replied, "no". . . was that to my question? |
| 03:01.31 | TwistedEmotions | sudo /usr/local/bin/vmware-config.pl |
| 03:01.31 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.34 | peterS | mohadib: each > just means "if the previous line, with fewer >'s, was true" |
| 03:02.18 | zepeuga | when starting X i have this error: __glXActiveScreens from module |
| 03:02.24 | mohadib | so the >>20 after >8 after >0 means the 28th byte? |
| 03:02.28 | zepeuga | ./usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
| 03:02.31 | TwistedEmotions | I dont see a pl process in ps -el |
| 03:02.31 | zepeuga | what is the problm ? |
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| 03:03.51 | pureone | twistedemotions try killall sudo or pstree and look for the process after sudo |
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| 03:04.32 | watanabe88 | hello |
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| 03:04.44 | user01 | can you convert a pdf into a tex file? |
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| 03:04.47 | watanabe88 | i am newbie to linux |
| 03:04.52 | watanabe88 | using ubuntu |
| 03:04.57 | TwistedEmotions | pureone: I killed sudo.. the terminal is still frozen. |
| 03:05.05 | watanabe88 | i want to install limewire |
| 03:05.06 | ricky_clarkson | watanabe88: #ubuntu |
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| 03:05.17 | watanabe88 | okay |
| 03:05.19 | watanabe88 | thanks |
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| 03:05.49 | Roburd | has anyone had any experience with deb and amanda? |
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| 03:09.34 | UnKnowN_ | can someone traceroute me |
| 03:09.35 | UnKnowN_ | 67.42.192.194 |
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| 03:09.56 | peterS | UnKnowN_: to what purpose? what do you want to find out? |
| 03:10.01 | UnKnowN_ | ISP asks |
| 03:10.13 | UnKnowN_ | They cant detect my connection |
| 03:10.16 | UnKnowN_ | :D |
| 03:10.27 | UnKnowN_ | pm me the results |
| 03:10.42 | UnKnowN_ | I directly connected the DSLAM at my ISP through DSL |
| 03:11.54 | c01100011 | i am feeling confident with general maitnance/setup and debian use and want to start learning more off the "back end" of linux, shell scripting,kernel customization etc. where do i start ? |
| 03:12.12 | kromagg | tldp.org |
| 03:12.37 | ricky_clarkson | c01100011: I recommend aiming for something, rather than just randomly tinkering. |
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| 03:13.27 | ricky_clarkson | E.g., minimising memory use, maximising speed, automating any computer chores (backup etc.). |
| 03:13.30 | c01100011 | ricky_clarkson i would like to learn as completely as i can from the bottom up, I want to gain a semi- mastery before i go to college |
| 03:14.04 | ricky_clarkson | c01100011: Task-based learning tends to work a lot better than random tinkering. |
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| 03:16.51 | Eonn_ | guys how do i find a package containing file "tk_init" |
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| 03:17.14 | ftsac | hi * |
| 03:17.59 | ftsac | I setup stunnel4 to listen on port 443 for https instead of http 80 |
| 03:18.26 | ftsac | but why after open page then connection status became http? |
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| 03:20.40 | welson | ftsac, because either the browser caused it or it was redirected there from some service |
| 03:21.26 | welson | Eonn_, packages.debian.org |
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| 03:23.32 | spoopin | Eonn_: or apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search tk_init |
| 03:23.36 | ftsac | welson, you means after browser established connection then it uses http port? |
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| 03:24.10 | welson | fstac, it all depends how its set up and what you're using server and client |
| 03:24.20 | midg3t | sounds like a feature of the client |
| 03:24.23 | pyrolithicx | jim you still around bro? |
| 03:24.42 | ftsac | welson, I just setup server (client =no) and use browser to test |
| 03:24.44 | Eonn_ | welson/spoopin: thanks will try |
| 03:24.45 | welson | ftsac, netstat -plutn |grep 443 |
| 03:25.10 | pyrolithicx | anyone know how to install debian from hdd/lilo? |
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| 03:25.37 | ftsac | welson, stunnel4 listened on :443 |
| 03:26.06 | mwilson | <sigh> a2ps maintainer has managed to break the thing again. |
| 03:26.07 | ftsac | listenning :) |
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| 03:26.33 | welson | pyrolithicx, http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 03:26.49 | pyrolithicx | been there fucked with that (for hours) |
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| 03:27.11 | welson | pyrolithicx, its there |
| 03:27.22 | Warp4 | could someone tell me what libpq is? |
| 03:27.23 | pyrolithicx | thats only if you have the iso.. I got the dvds from a buddy copied them to my hdd... can't boot from my cdrom or it would be easy... |
| 03:27.38 | welson | pyrolithicx, in that case, rtfm |
| 03:27.43 | pyrolithicx | welson; it gives you a sample lilo script; I tried the script it has a fit.. |
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| 03:27.47 | pyrolithicx | rtfm? |
| 03:28.06 | welson | ~tell pyrolithicx about rtfm |
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| 03:29.08 | mwilson | Do I even know what XDCC is? |
| 03:29.16 | dan2 | hehehe |
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| 03:29.29 | pyrolithicx | welson; nice acronym fucker kmfa |
| 03:30.15 | dogmeat | ~tell dogmeat about rtfm |
| 03:31.07 | dogmeat | ~tell dogmeat about kmfa |
| 03:31.11 | pyrolithicx | I remember when irc wasn't packed full of fuckers... I miss the old days when only the worthy had the money to own a comp |
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| 03:31.33 | nautiazn85 | Anybody here using wpa_supplicant? I need help getting it to work |
| 03:31.38 | dogmeat | pyrolithicx: what does kmfa stand for? |
| 03:31.39 | pyrolithicx | I doubt kmfa is in there... I made it up.. I wanted to be a retard who was too lazy to type it... |
| 03:31.46 | pyrolithicx | kiss my fucking ass |
| 03:31.49 | vivek | I am trying to get from testing to unstable. unstable seems to use udev-0.065-1. and udev depends on kernel > 2.6.12. How do i make get out of this dependancy issue ? kernel-2.6.12 is not in unstable (as far as i can see ). any pointers to where i can start will be useful. tnx |
| 03:31.50 | dogmeat | lol |
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| 03:32.11 | liable | nautiazn85: have a look in the example config file, heaps of examples in it. |
| 03:32.12 | Bac9 | vivek: use the udev from testing |
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| 03:32.39 | Bac9 | vivek: the udev in testing works with all kernel 2.6.x, the one in unstable needs 2.6.12 or higher |
| 03:32.56 | nautiazn85 | laible: I did... my problem is when i try to start it up... it doesn't seem to start up correctly |
| 03:32.56 | pyrolithicx | does anyone have experience in installing debian from hdd? |
| 03:33.06 | nautiazn85 | liable: do you have it working? |
| 03:33.17 | pyrolithicx | welson is a dickface who thinks mans explain everything |
| 03:33.19 | welson | vivek, i got a away with it and reported the bug-- not encouraging it but it has to do with their poor evaluation that there really is close to null for >=2.6.12 being true for people like me on sarge(i made an echoed script in place of uname; and placed uname binary back..).. |
| 03:33.29 | Bac9 | vivek:some api changed in 2.6.12 and the udev maintainer rushed the new version, hence the whole borked situation |
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| 03:33.49 | liable | nautiazn85: yeah, with about a three line config. |
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| 03:33.56 | welson | vivek, report the bug as well-- this was supposed to be solved since .060... |
| 03:33.59 | nautiazn85 | liable: can i msg you? |
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| 03:34.15 | vivek | Bac9, welson tnx |
| 03:34.23 | _joey | mirc is zze best |
| 03:34.35 | liable | nautiazn85: I dont really know much about it, I just looked at the example and put my relevent stuff in it. |
| 03:35.03 | Bac9 | welson: so you're runing udev from sid or etch? |
| 03:35.06 | nautiazn85 | liable: how does your config file look like? can you paste it over in #flood? |
| 03:35.15 | liable | nautiazn85: sure |
| 03:35.22 | nautiazn85 | thanks |
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| 03:35.37 | nautiazn85 | what command do you type to start it up afterwards? |
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| 03:35.54 | Bac9 | pyrolithicx: you can always info stuff |
| 03:35.55 | welson | Bac9, /etc/debian_version tells me testing/unstable, i'm assuming i'm on etch after sarge.. |
| 03:36.09 | Bac9 | welson: I am refering to version of udev |
| 03:36.14 | pyrolithicx | info stuff? |
| 03:36.30 | Bac9 | pyrolithicx: kinda like man stuff but with more info |
| 03:36.36 | welson | Bac9, Version: 0.065-1 |
| 03:37.06 | Bac9 | welson: etch has 0.056-3 so I am guessing you're on sid |
| 03:37.06 | pyrolithicx | I've been looking around the net and can't find any other info than the docs.... the doc has a small script that should make it run from lilo but it doesn't.. I get a VFS error... |
| 03:37.29 | welson | Bac9, ok, so why isn't sid behind etch? |
| 03:37.38 | liable | nautiazn85: it starts at boot, or you can run it from the init.d script |
| 03:37.54 | Bac9 | welson: "sid behind etch"?? |
| 03:37.59 | welson | Bac9, my apt sources has testing.. |
| 03:38.14 | Bac9 | welson: looks like you have udev from unstable |
| 03:38.29 | Bac9 | welson: since I run testing and it has 0.056-4 |
| 03:38.36 | Bac9 | -3 |
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| 03:38.59 | pyrolithicx | where can I info installation tech docs? |
| 03:39.23 | welson | Bac9, y, i have testing and unstable-- I have both hihi |
| 03:39.50 | Bac9 | welson: a bit too much fun pining? |
| 03:39.54 | welson | Bac9, i'm assuming /etc/debian_version for you says just testing |
| 03:39.55 | liable | nautiazn85: you can also start it from your interfaces file. http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/010619.html |
| 03:40.08 | pyrolithicx | let me explain a bit about my situation... my cd/dvdrom is dead, debian doesn't like my nic, and I've never had a fdd for my lappy... so..... I either need to install from my hdd or my external cd/dvd though my bios won't allow it... |
| 03:40.20 | Bac9 | welson: etch says "testing/unstable" |
| 03:40.38 | UnKnowN_ | most live debian releases are unstable |
| 03:40.40 | Bac9 | pyrolithicx: usb stick? |
| 03:40.54 | pyrolithicx | bios won't boot usb.... |
| 03:40.57 | spoopin | pyrolithicx: have you looked at debootstrap? |
| 03:41.00 | UnKnowN_ | yeah it will |
| 03:41.06 | pyrolithicx | no, hows that work spoopin? |
| 03:41.13 | UnKnowN_ | USB stick with Live boot works |
| 03:41.48 | welson | spoopin, he claims to have spent hours reading the install manual, when it's two clicks away for his walkthrough, tell him to rtfm off after he's been calling people names.. |
| 03:41.50 | Bac9 | pyrolithicx: then make a fat partition, download install stuff on there, make it dos bootable, boot dos, and install from it |
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| 03:42.22 | spoopin | !tell pyrolithicx about debootstrap |
| 03:42.37 | K_Dallas | !tell K_Dallas about debootstrap |
| 03:42.46 | Bac9 | pyrolithicx: otherwise use external |
| 03:42.51 | spoopin | welson: well, what are you gonna do, right? |
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| 03:43.01 | welson | spoopin, nothing! |
| 03:43.33 | spoopin | welson: yeah, but when I can actually help someone here, I still try to. |
| 03:43.39 | Bac9 | pyrolithicx: you sure your biso will not boot zip-drive? that's usually what usb imitate/look like |
| 03:43.59 | liable | pyrolithicx: you could always get a drive adapter and put your lappy hard drive in another machine and install it that way. |
| 03:43.59 | welson | spoopin, well you can waste your time with a dependent illiterate |
| 03:44.21 | welson | as far as i know* |
| 03:44.47 | spoopin | welson: acknowledged |
| 03:44.50 | Bac9 | welson: be nice, have respect for those who know no better :-) |
| 03:45.17 | vivek | ah i just placed an echo script inplace of uname and it works ;) tnx |
| 03:45.41 | spoopin | Bac9: I don't spend alot of time here so I've not yet gotten fully fed up with the crap |
| 03:45.45 | pedro420 | can someone tell me what a segmentation fault is |
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| 03:46.30 | Bac9 | spoopin: after "alot of time here" you'll sound like mwilson :-) |
| 03:46.49 | Bac9 | pedro420: an app trying to access memmory that hasn't been alocated |
| 03:47.05 | spoopin | Bac9: yeah. That guy's pissed. |
| 03:47.28 | Bac9 | spoopin: in all my time here I've only had one productive conversation with him |
| 03:47.29 | pyrolithicx | no it won't bac9 I've looked everywhere.... |
| 03:47.35 | welson | Bac9, vice-versa, those who show no mercy in listening can never tune-in, it's much easier and polite to /ignore than disrespect :) |
| 03:47.51 | pyrolithicx | yeah I could do that liable but I don't have one available right now.. |
| 03:48.00 | Bac9 | pyrolithicx: then either install from dos (ith's in the docs as one of the methods) or off an external media |
| 03:48.24 | Bac9 | welson: true... ignorance is bliss :-) |
| 03:48.50 | spoopin | battery running low.... night all |
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| 03:49.10 | Bac9 | spoopin: plug it in... plug it in... glad plugins :-) |
| 03:49.29 | pedro420 | bac9: its telling me that when i try to install yahoo messenger what can i do |
| 03:49.30 | spoopin | Bac9: nah... I'm tired anyway |
| 03:49.37 | Bac9 | spoopin: night then |
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| 03:49.44 | dummykey | nomeaclaro |
| 03:49.46 | spoopin | Bac9: later |
| 03:49.56 | Bac9 | pedro420: don't install yahoo messenger |
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| 03:50.20 | pyrolithicx | bac9 mind if I pm you? |
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| 03:50.44 | Bac9 | pedro420: besides yahoo messenger for linux doesn't work anyway, hasn't worked for a bout a yer, install a multiprotocol client e.g. gaim or everybuddy or somesuch |
| 03:50.53 | Bac9 | pyrolithicx: go ahad |
| 03:50.59 | libertine | http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/attachment.php?attachmentid=28054 this is a image ,i need the soft that in the black circle of image |
| 03:51.10 | Bac9 | spoopin: night |
| 03:52.28 | liable | libertine: you need what? |
| 03:52.52 | libertine | in the black circle on the image |
| 03:53.42 | liable | well, I dont understand what you mean, maybe someone else does. |
| 03:53.44 | vivek | tnx all and bye ... |
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| 03:54.22 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 03:54.28 | leminhteo | i want to install x window |
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| 03:54.51 | leminhteo | what can i need to do |
| 03:54.52 | liable | leminhteo: so, whats the problem then? |
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| 03:55.01 | welson | leminhteo, use the virtual name package->apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 03:55.41 | leminhteo | welson |
| 03:55.43 | leminhteo | thanks |
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| 03:56.02 | liable | leminhteo: if you want to use gnome or kde, the easiest thing to do, is use 'tasksel' and choose the desktop package. |
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| 03:56.16 | welson | leminhteo, tasksel is another meta handler.. |
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| 03:56.56 | leminhteo | what is tasksel |
| 03:57.00 | Bac9 | leminhteo: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 03:57.20 | welson | leminhteo, whatis tasksel |
| 03:57.27 | welson | leminhteo, :) |
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| 03:57.30 | liable | leminhteo: its a package installing thing. |
| 03:57.45 | Bac9 | leminhteo: just apt-get install kde <-- for kde or apt-get install gnome-fifth-toe <- for gnome and friends |
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| 03:58.19 | welson | leminhteo, its probably better to use tasksel but I've never used it so I don't know how well things would go.. |
| 03:58.27 | welson | leminhteo, but it should be fine |
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| 03:59.01 | leminhteo | i must install it before? |
| 03:59.09 | Talhadar | Jebus monkey! FDD installs are horribly unreliable. |
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| 04:00.14 | psychonate | The testing installer says it configured DHCP alright, but it can't seem to find the default route. I've never had this problem before. Would specifying the nameservers (which is what it's asking me for) get my networking fully functional? |
| 04:00.28 | psychonate | I'm using a netinstall disc, so I'll probably need networking. |
| 04:00.42 | leminhteo | can i make debian like router? |
| 04:01.35 | ApTek | Sure |
| 04:01.39 | welson | leminhteo, if its not available under #(root), apt-get install tasksel |
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| 04:02.10 | leminhteo | welson: ok i will try now |
| 04:02.17 | green_earz | psychonate: you can use etherconf to config your net work set up |
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| 04:03.14 | psychonate | green_earz, should I just try that and then select "no networking config" on the gui? |
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| 04:03.56 | psychonate | green_earz, nvm, I don't see that command on the disc. |
| 04:04.01 | green_earz | psychonate: apt-get install etherconf |
| 04:04.18 | psychonate | green_earz, I'm on the install disc... |
| 04:04.28 | Bac9 | welson: what is the procedure for installing from dos with the new installer? the old installer had a dos binary executable to load the root images, but there doesn't seem to be one for the new installer (in reference to pyrolithicx 's question) |
| 04:04.56 | SimonRaven | heh, netsplit |
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| 04:07.21 | Talhadar | Hmm anyone know what the average number of bad floppies per package happens to be? |
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| 04:08.46 | mwilson | Talhadar: Zero, usually. |
| 04:08.49 | green_earz | psychonate: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-high-dhcp > "10.6.2 Configuring an interface using DHCP" |
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| 04:09.08 | welson | Bac9, in reference to linux, there's syslinux |
| 04:09.28 | Bac9 | welson: in reference to the new debian installer |
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| 04:09.47 | Bac9 | welson: the docs are quite sparse on installing from another os |
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| 04:11.30 | exobyte | will this make an infinite loop? while [ true ] do ... done |
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| 04:11.39 | psychonate | green_earz, I specified the nameservers as it asked; I'll see if that works first |
| 04:11.42 | douglas | nice i'm not in the lame overflow channel :) |
| 04:11.49 | Guerin | exobyte: as long as true is true |
| 04:12.03 | exobyte | Guerin: the true program returns true... |
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| 04:12.12 | Guerin | exobyte: [ ] not required |
| 04:12.15 | Guerin | exobyte: i'm aware of that |
| 04:12.26 | welson | Bac9, no, dos is mentioned, the search engine is down but there's a google textfield |
| 04:12.29 | exobyte | Guerin: but that doesn't call true, does it |
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| 04:12.50 | Guerin | exobyte: ? |
| 04:13.06 | Guerin | try while true; do echo badgers; done |
| 04:13.24 | seven_six_two | Using etch, I just had a bunch of files disappear. completely. about 4gb worth. I can't find anything in my logs, and wasn't logged in as root. some other files were left in the dir though. just a bunch of mpg movies were lost. any idea what might have happened? |
| 04:13.29 | exobyte | Guerin: putting true in likes that won't actually run true |
| 04:13.38 | green_earz | psychonate: how a look at the link i posted you. there is no need for you to put the dns name in manualy, the DHCP client will bring them for you |
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| 04:13.44 | Guerin | exobyte: it still makes ann infinite loop |
| 04:13.52 | Bac9 | welson: it's mentioned but the steps on how to do it are gone |
| 04:14.01 | green_earz | psychonate: sorry not how > have |
| 04:14.03 | Bac9 | welson: the previous docs were much better in that respect |
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| 04:14.21 | psychonate | green_earz, the installer already set it up for DHCP. It specifically said the DHCP configuration was successful, but that it did not set a default route. |
| 04:14.37 | welson | Bac9, possibly, but there is something about steps for it |
| 04:14.39 | radmin | hey you guys im on xchat and my user list is gone |
| 04:14.49 | radmin | how do i get it back |
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| 04:14.59 | Bac9 | welson: nope, they removed that |
| 04:15.06 | radmin | i can't see who is in the room |
| 04:15.24 | welson | Bac9, well you should tell the doc people.. |
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| 04:15.54 | Bac9 | welson: the harddisk install has now been cut down to one sentence "Booting the installation system directly from a hard disk is another option for many architectures. This will require some other operating system to load the installer onto the hard disk." |
| 04:15.55 | green_earz | psychonate: you did a net install yes, so it was seeing the router at one time ? |
| 04:16.12 | vivek | ok i seem to have gotten into some trouble with udev upgrade .. how do i downgrade udev ? |
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| 04:16.34 | Bac9 | welson: I can see why people might have trouble understanding how to do it |
| 04:16.39 | psychonate | green_earz, well, everything seems to be going well so far. I finished the install, and have rebooted into the new install to get additional packages. |
| 04:16.50 | radmin | please help me i can see you guys i have no user list in xchat |
| 04:16.56 | douglas | Guerin: if you were the ceo of some big badass hated-by-slashdot fortune 500 company, would you order the tech guys to run not just linux, but debian linux on the servers that are mission-critical to your sinister operation? financially speaking |
| 04:17.15 | green_earz | psychonate: what dose apt-get update do ? |
| 04:17.22 | radmin | i don't see a user list |
| 04:17.22 | vivek | welson: are you sure you have udev 0.6x ? |
| 04:17.30 | welson | Bac9, well if you're still referring to pyro guy, he was asking about lilo and I really don't want to talk about what you think might-- but the docs look very clear to me.. |
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| 04:17.52 | vivek | when i reboot it refuses to start udev ... |
| 04:17.59 | psychonate | green_earz, hold on a second, I'm setting up the system. It'll have to try to fetch packages in a bit anyway. |
| 04:18.02 | douglas | green_earz: it checks in with the esrvers that are "in the know' to see if there's anything new word on the street, so that when you search to install a new prog for example your box already knows what's there |
| 04:18.07 | mwilson | vivek: And that's a bad thing? |
| 04:18.08 | douglas | .. or the latest versions |
| 04:18.11 | welson | vivek, did you do that uname trick? |
| 04:18.13 | Guerin | douglas: if i could find competent admins to run them, sure. |
| 04:18.18 | Bac9 | welson: the docs point to lilo now in another chapter on hd install... aparently the new installer is not easily bottable :-( |
| 04:18.18 | vivek | welson: yes i did |
| 04:18.39 | vivek | mwilson: yes its a bad thing ... i can't use the usb devices ... |
| 04:18.40 | douglas | Guerin: but you're the ceo, not HR |
| 04:18.45 | Bac9 | welson: I got qurious and looked up the docs, and I can't say from that that I'd know how to install from hdd |
| 04:18.50 | welson | vivek, you have to change it back to its binary, you did didn't you? and I didnt' encourage it, so its in your hands.. |
| 04:19.01 | Guerin | douglas: fair enough |
| 04:19.02 | psychonate | green_earz, yeah, networking is fine. Odd that it wanted me to specify the nameservers. Even so, all is well. |
| 04:19.03 | welson | Bac9, well you should read more often lad ;-) |
| 04:19.11 | mwilson | How do you figure you need udev in order to use USB? |
| 04:19.13 | Bac9 | welson: I just did |
| 04:19.29 | Bac9 | welson: and I am highly disapointed |
| 04:19.35 | vivek | welson: true ;) i just want to downgrade udev to 0.5* ;) |
| 04:19.50 | Bac9 | welson: woody/potato/slink installs were much easier for hdd |
| 04:20.00 | green_earz | psychonate: so apt-get update runs ok ? are you puting a desktop on the box ? |
| 04:20.02 | Bac9 | welson: not to mention ham |
| 04:20.28 | psychonate | green_earz, it's install the desktop packages now just fine. |
| 04:20.33 | welson | Bac9, that's why there's google search engine->http://search.debian.org/?q=dos+install |
| 04:20.35 | psychonate | s/install/installing |
| 04:20.55 | douglas | Guerin: fair enough? i'm not trying to talk you out of it .. |
| 04:20.56 | vivek | mwilson: the devices for my printer won't exist so i can't use my printer ... and a lot of other things ... so maybe i am not speaking the right things but i know what trouble i am in ;) |
| 04:21.18 | Bac9 | welson: which brings up "Debian Search disabled" which isn't really helpfull either |
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| 04:21.32 | welson | Bac9, no it doesn't, click on that link doofus |
| 04:21.33 | douglas | everyone loves google except when there's an alternative involving reading a man page :) |
| 04:21.42 | Bac9 | welson: I did, and that's what came up |
| 04:21.45 | welson | Bac9, then click google search.. |
| 04:21.48 | dogmeat | marriage almost killed hugh hefner |
| 04:21.55 | SDFH_Linux | how do you update your public key |
| 04:21.56 | green_earz | psychonate: nice and all the best > here a good debian doc link > " Debian Reference "> http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 04:22.03 | Guerin | douglas: no, fair enough that a ceo shouldn't directly be making hr decisions |
| 04:22.09 | douglas | oh |
| 04:22.09 | SDFH_Linux | on apt-get |
| 04:22.12 | Bac9 | welson: brings me to the google page |
| 04:22.28 | Bac9 | welson: the start page |
| 04:22.39 | welson | Bac9, and the second link gives your answer, so what're complaining about? |
| 04:22.50 | psychonate | green_earz, bookmarked. Thanks. |
| 04:22.52 | Bac9 | welson: no links found, just the start page |
| 04:22.55 | green_earz | np |
| 04:23.01 | douglas | Guerin: but the ceo could be dictating company doctrine, like, We should strive to use the elitest k-rad things in life, even if it involves hiring more elite d00dz ... back to work! |
| 04:23.12 | welson | Bac9, the search had to be on debian.org not www |
| 04:23.22 | Bac9 | welson: it was a blank field |
| 04:23.38 | Guerin | douglas: right |
| 04:23.56 | douglas | Because that's totally something i could picture you saying, in those words and spelling |
| 04:24.05 | SDFH_Linux | how do you update your public key on apt-get? |
| 04:24.11 | welson | Bac9, blank field filled to 'dos install'; the option circle is onthe second..the 2nd link that shows is on potato |
| 04:24.20 | douglas | public key on apt get?? |
| 04:24.34 | SDFH_Linux | a site is asking for verification |
| 04:24.39 | Bac9 | welson: I had to go to google homepage and do "debian dos install" and only find info on non debian sites |
| 04:24.44 | radmin | any you guys run xchat? |
| 04:24.50 | welson | Bac9, I never said that |
| 04:24.51 | Bac9 | welson: not filled to anything, just blank |
| 04:24.53 | douglas | what kinda sources you got asking for that, SFH |
| 04:24.58 | douglas | err SDFH |
| 04:25.22 | Bac9 | welson: I said that's how I can get info, this info should be in the install manual not on a random site found by google |
| 04:25.34 | SDFH_Linux | some of them on my apt-get deb repos |
| 04:26.06 | SDFH_Linux | it asks me if i want to to install without verification etc |
| 04:26.09 | welson | Bac9, I don't care, if you want help on linux, you can go to tldp.org and google.com/linux , for distro specific it's better to go to the distro's site at first, but you're in #debian, so stick to debian shall we? |
| 04:26.12 | green_earz | radmin: i do and find it dose the job well |
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| 04:26.53 | Bac9 | welson: as I said this kind of basic stuff should be in the install manual, since it is not is the cause why so many people come here asking for that info |
| 04:26.56 | liable | radmin: i would imagine its in the preferences somewhere in one of the menu's. |
| 04:27.18 | welson | Bac9, I'm assuming you believe I take care of docs, I don't |
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| 04:28.02 | Bac9 | welson: I am assuming you believe the docs are written perfectly and people who come in here with questions such as "how do I install from a dos partition" can get the answer from the install docs |
| 04:28.27 | welson | Bac9, I was never asked that question |
| 04:28.41 | douglas | Is installing a .deb i got off of debian's web package search that's on the testing list for my unstable box a Bad Thing? |
| 04:28.54 | Bac9 | welson: the only stuff I seem to find via google as far as dos installs are for the old installer, I am guessing the new installer cannot do it |
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| 04:29.47 | welson | Bac9, as I said, report it, I've said a long time ago, what assumes I'm stating anything perfect? I've said it like 10 minutes ago..report it to the doc makers period. |
| 04:29.56 | douglas | Hey stumbles! Man, i keep running into you here and there! |
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| 04:30.15 | Bac9 | welson: which brings up the question why they even bothered mentioning installation from another OS if the new installer cannot do it |
| 04:30.42 | stumbles | hi douglas :) |
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| 04:30.52 | Bac9 | welson: just stating an fyi so you don't send people off to the install manual if you get similar questions |
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| 04:31.09 | welson | Bac9, well try it and see, you have to at least bother to ask the right questions in the first place |
| 04:31.16 | Bac9 | welson: seems only way to install debian from dos is to install woody then upgrade |
| 04:31.16 | douglas | anyone else run into more than usual problems with the latest 2.6 business card iso net installer? |
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| 04:31.28 | Bac9 | welson: :-) |
| 04:31.59 | welson | Bac9, wrong, I know many ways..syslinux, via cd's netboot, external drive, floppy, ramdisk..etc.. you really haven't even bothered to read the docs have you |
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| 04:32.14 | furbsd | anyone know if its possible to irc with telnet? |
| 04:32.27 | douglas | furbsd: yes, i've done it |
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| 04:32.30 | douglas | not easy |
| 04:32.32 | Bac9 | welson: all those ways are not from within another OS, they are from boot media, different things |
| 04:32.43 | douglas | but quite fulfilling .. gota read an irc rfc |
| 04:32.44 | welson | Bac9, actually if you have dos its really easy.. |
| 04:32.52 | douglas | about the irc protocol |
| 04:32.56 | furbsd | douglas: how did you do it |
| 04:33.02 | welson | Bac9, heheh...you really haven't read anything |
| 04:33.06 | douglas | oh man this was like six years ago on a .gov vax |
| 04:33.10 | Bac9 | welson: aparently not anymore, at least I can't find any stuff for the new installer, although I did it for the old installer |
| 04:33.15 | furbsd | i used telnet ircserver 6667 |
| 04:33.17 | douglas | just wanted to show off in #hack |
| 04:33.28 | stumbles | is the info system supposed to entirely replace the man system? |
| 04:33.40 | furbsd | NOTICE AUTH :*** Found your hostname .... got stuck here |
| 04:33.46 | Bac9 | welson: I've installed quite a few systems via the old installer and different ways |
| 04:33.47 | douglas | furbsd: google for irc rfc .. read how irc clients "talk" to the servers, get some simple commands down |
| 04:33.57 | welson | Bac9, I can paste text from links and short directions from those sites i gave you and have everybody see you really don't know how to criticise any working development.. |
| 04:34.05 | delmar | Hey everyone. Does anyone here have any ideas as to why I get "abnormal status" error messages relating to my SATA drive? I'm running kernel 2.6.10 and the sata controler is ICH6. |
| 04:34.19 | Bac9 | welson: just make sure it's not for the old installer, then paste away |
| 04:34.23 | welson | Bac9, I'd suggest you lower your tone... you're going to look rather foolish.. |
| 04:34.26 | douglas | furbsd: j/w, why is this something you're set on figuring out? |
| 04:34.37 | douglas | just htat elite curiosity in you? |
| 04:34.44 | welson | Bac9, I already said it was for potato, I never stated anything about sarge |
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| 04:34.56 | douglas | yo it's all about the etch |
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| 04:35.00 | Bac9 | welson: ah, so it is for the old installer |
| 04:35.18 | douglas | anyone else think the overstock.com chick's a total milf? |
| 04:35.26 | Bac9 | welson: that way I know, but potato and woody are outdated, sarge uses the new installer, and I can't find any way for the new installer and dos |
| 04:35.26 | welson | Bac9, I'd suggest you learn reportbug |
| 04:35.41 | douglas | the tennis scene is my favorite |
| 04:35.46 | welson | Bac9, do something more qualitative with your time.. |
| 04:35.53 | Bac9 | welson: ok |
| 04:35.54 | vietnamese | can i config debian like router |
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| 04:36.07 | douglas | vietnamese: probably |
| 04:36.30 | douglas | bac9... was that really called for |
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| 04:36.56 | delmar | Anyone know what the story is with "ATA: abnormal status 0x80 on port 0x8C07" kinda errors? |
| 04:37.02 | douglas | it's one thing to argue and get personal, but when you start busting out the /me commands and talking trash in the third person ... that's crossing the line |
| 04:37.32 | douglas | welson: i got your back |
| 04:38.09 | vietnamese | douglas i think i need 2 NIC, and config a service |
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| 04:38.28 | delmar | i guess Sata isn't supported then :P |
| 04:38.30 | douglas | vietnamese: is this going to be for a large operation? |
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| 04:39.26 | welson | douglas, some people just give up don't they? he seems very reluctant to even pick up one element in anyone's howto-- and yet he still claims to be stuck on square one about knowing 1 way --that's a doofus |
| 04:39.54 | douglas | welson, be the better man and move on |
| 04:40.24 | reilithion | Well, I got my wireless network card working. I think. Anyway, now I'm trying to get gnome-volume-manager to automatically mount and browse Jump drives on insertion when I'm logged on as a user OTHER than root. |
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| 04:41.10 | Guerin | !ich6 |
| 04:41.11 | dpkg | somebody said ich6 was a new intel chipset. SATA supported under ide-piix. audio on sarge needs either 1.0.8 (alsa-source)....snd-azx is the 1.0.8 version of the driver. 1.0.9 hda-intel driver is much better tho but not packaged. D-i RC3 should find sata automatically as it has been bugfixed but modprobe will find it if not autoconfiged |
| 04:41.35 | Guerin | hrm, i thought those didn't work in debian |
| 04:41.40 | Guerin | maybe just in sarge |
| 04:42.04 | douglas | vnc chills on 5900 right |
| 04:42.24 | reilithion | !gnome-volume-manager |
| 04:42.30 | reilithion | I guess not. =/ |
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| 04:42.43 | delmar | all I know is, i see the ICH6 Sata support in the kernel config, but im having a hard time of things. |
| 04:42.51 | black13 | question xinit works but startx fails |
| 04:43.02 | delmar | had massive file corruption. xfs_check found lots of errors. |
| 04:43.05 | douglas | that's a declaration yo |
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| 04:44.05 | delmar | I dunno. its such a hassel I think I might go back to non-Sata. |
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| 04:46.27 | douglas | i did my manning but what's the vncserver syntax to do more than 256 colors? |
| 04:46.40 | douglas | on the server end? |
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| 04:47.36 | douglas | pretty quiet for a channel overflowing at 743 ... |
| 04:47.57 | welson | douglas, depends what's being used as the vncserver |
| 04:48.29 | rking | ok, i'm having some really funky hardware issues, possibly all boiling down to this: localhost kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold ...localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 04:48.32 | douglas | welson: the thing that comes up on apt-get install vncserver;vncserver -geometry blah |
| 04:48.42 | rking | and i'm getting a couple of those a minute |
| 04:49.02 | Guerin | rking: check your cooling rig |
| 04:49.06 | rking | what can i do? i'm not overclocking or anything. |
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| 04:49.27 | douglas | rking: you own cats? lot of crap in your fan? |
| 04:49.28 | rking | Guerin: what can i look for - i mean, there's a chance there's not enough of that paste between the sink and the CPU |
| 04:49.35 | welson | douglas, usually there are hints and examples under /usr/share/doc |
| 04:49.38 | douglas | old fan? |
| 04:49.54 | Guerin | rking: fan spinning properly, etc? not overclocked? |
| 04:50.09 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:50.09 | rking | douglas: good but no on both - this box is only a month old, only has a tiny bit of dust, and right now has the whole side panel open |
| 04:50.12 | douglas | welson right and like i said i did my share of manning and guess/checking, wondering if anyone knew the -option off the top of their head |
| 04:50.15 | Guerin | he answered that |
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| 04:50.31 | Guerin | rking: send it back to the shop |
| 04:50.48 | rking | it = CPU? |
| 04:50.49 | douglas | rkign: how long does it take to get those errors? and is it consistantly the same amount of time? |
| 04:50.59 | welson | douglas, I guess its tightvncserver you're using, there's an example for inetd, which are you are going, standalone, inetd? |
| 04:51.10 | Guerin | rking: yeah, if you just bought the cpu; if you bought the whole box as one part, take it all back |
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| 04:51.24 | douglas | welson: hmm maybe this is KDE's thingy overriding what i was used to |
| 04:51.45 | welson | douglas, nobody cares about syntax when its so obvious--> man vncserver or vncserver --help tells you off the bat.. |
| 04:52.06 | rking | douglas: no - in fact, before, it was just shutting off (there's some long story to all of this... i was seing these weird glitches that lead me to believe that my motherboard was bad, and after replacing it (3 times... oof!), i'm now getting this problem) |
| 04:52.25 | rking | i'm wondering if it's been my CPU all along, but it kind of doesn't make sense, because the previous motherboards had different kinds of errors |
| 04:52.25 | Guerin | three times!!?! |
| 04:52.32 | douglas | welson: what's the KDE prog's name? and can it be done from a terminal and not inside x? |
| 04:52.35 | welson | douglas, I've got vnc working, if you want more security, you can later tunnel it via ssh, but work only on the basics for now.. |
| 04:52.41 | douglas | ... for remote desktop sharing |
| 04:52.47 | Guerin | different mobos could cause different errors with the same bad cpu |
| 04:52.49 | douglas | Nah not a security guy |
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| 04:53.19 | Guerin | douglas: ah, that's good news. I need another open relay. |
| 04:53.19 | welson | douglas, yes, if for a normal user, he can startup a vnc listener-- however some details on how this all works is mostly hinted on the home of real vnc site.. |
| 04:53.19 | rking | Guerin: yeeeaaah, i know. the second-to-last one was actually totally my fault (i thought the ethernet card was bad, when all it was was that i needed to restart the cable modem (yeah, me = dork)) |
| 04:53.29 | douglas | rking: sometimes that spooks cmos, did you go through there to make sure things were copacetic? |
| 04:53.50 | delmar | ok, last call then I will go look at changing hardware.... if anyone can help or offer any ideas, I'm having trouble running a 120gig Seagate SATA disk on an ICH6 chipset SATA controler running kernel 2.6.10. I am getting errors like "kernel: ATA: abnormal status 0x80 on port 0x8C07", and it has caused data corruption on my XFS file system. I'm just trying to confirm if this could be a software bug (hence lack of SATA support) or if I s |
| 04:53.56 | delmar | any help much appreciated. :P |
| 04:53.56 | rking | douglas: just through the bios config screen? |
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| 04:54.14 | douglas | Guerin: you're always welcome on my box |
| 04:54.29 | welson | douglas, there are spinoffs, with gnome's having its own vnc version, but these what I believe are not compatible tightvncviewer <->modifiedVnc4Gnome.. |
| 04:54.36 | Guerin | aww, shucks, that's so sweet |
| 04:54.49 | rking | Delgul: i'm running SATA and having no problems with it.. i can't tell you off the top of my head what drive it is, though... have you checked the linux hardware support pages compiled on the internet? |
| 04:54.55 | welson | douglas, I have no clue if KDE has its own spinoff for remote desktop.. |
| 04:54.56 | douglas | rking: it's happened to me .. how about this, maybe download a small livecd and boot it up, see if you get the errors? |
| 04:55.13 | douglas | welson: you do now :) |
| 04:55.21 | rking | douglas: hrm... ok, but what would that tell me that booting up this OS wouldn't? |
| 04:55.57 | douglas | rking: heck, get a livcd of the same os and kernel, just try a boot that /should/ work |
| 04:56.58 | rking | douglas: please don't think that i'm doubting you - i don't understand the connection between my faulty mobo/cpu and livecd vs. disked OS (?) |
| 04:57.05 | delmar | rking, yeah, aparantly ICH6 should be well supported, but googling around I see other people having the same issues, but havent found anything difinitive..... I guess I am wanting to know if this error is common of a hardware/drive fault... because I have no idea what it means :P. Some of the forum messages I read indicate this was a problem fixed in kernel 2.6.9rc1 ... |
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| 04:57.33 | douglas | rking: I'm just thinking the first step shoudl be to rule out that there are any errors in your config specific to you |
| 04:57.48 | douglas | instead of a hardware error or an OS that for whatever reason your box doesn't like |
| 04:58.17 | douglas | ..err, rule out that there are No errors .... |
| 04:58.28 | douglas | oh wait the first one was right |
| 04:58.28 | delmar | OK, while I am here, I have another couple of questions...... |
| 04:58.45 | douglas | you see what i'm saying? |
| 04:59.08 | rking | delmar: i'm a hardware wuss (as indicated by my current problem). generally, i stick to the A#1 most-supported hardware under linux. i find the hardware support lists and look for the thing that looks the most like a shoe-in, with Zero posts on message boards about relevant weirdness |
| 04:59.12 | delmar | Does anyone have any comments about kernel 2.6.12.4 ? should I stick with 2.6.10? are there any improvements worth going for? |
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| 04:59.38 | delmar | rking, yep. |
| 05:00.11 | douglas | The thing is, linux people tend to use no-name hardware from pricewatch.com instead of Dell and NVidia so going for the brand doesn't always work out better .... |
| 05:00.19 | douglas | +1, insightful |
| 05:00.33 | rking | douglas: did you just mod yourself up? |
| 05:00.38 | douglas | :) |
| 05:01.25 | rking | douglas: well, this OS has been running for quite a while - a month i mean.. previously my problems included: Mobo#1: ram wonky (memtest86+ gave occasional blips, and sometimes big things segfaulted for no good reason), on-board sound-card died, then USB started flaking |
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| 05:01.45 | rking | Mobo#2: short-lived at my house, wouldn't give me graphics at all (and no BIOS panic beeps) |
| 05:01.49 | douglas | delmar: just do it .. you can always easily apt it right off (including off of grub or lilo) |
| 05:01.49 | Guerin | hrm, dnotify doesn't appear to work over nfs |
| 05:01.50 | delmar | When I had this P4 3ghz box running winblows, I noticed the Fan speed would increase or decrease as the need arose. Now that it's running Linux, I notice this doesn't happen anymore. What is the linux way of doing things in terms of cpu-fan management? |
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| 05:02.01 | Guerin | delmar: acpi |
| 05:02.14 | delmar | Guerin? |
| 05:02.23 | douglas | acpi.damn |
| 05:02.27 | douglas | beaten again |
| 05:02.42 | Guerin | !acpi |
| 05:02.42 | rking | mobo#3: worked "all except for ethernet", which turned out probably to just be my fault... it seems much like this current motherboard. really i think i just had two bad motherboards in a row, and these last two are fine, but now all the plugging/unplugging of the CPU has left it not quite cooling well. |
| 05:02.42 | dpkg | [acpi] Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 05:03.21 | delmar | are u sure acpi is responsible for management of the fan when it comes to cpu thermal sensing? |
| 05:03.35 | douglas | they're two separate things yo |
| 05:04.13 | douglas | sheesh all right i will apt install acpi just to read the man page for you and figure out the answer, hang on |
| 05:04.25 | douglas | ;) |
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| 05:04.36 | delmar | oh ok sorry. i was thinkin of the kernel option etc. |
| 05:04.38 | delmar | dun do that. |
| 05:04.57 | douglas | i'm just playing homeslice |
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| 05:05.33 | douglas | is this a laptop you got? |
| 05:05.42 | douglas | (delmar:)? |
| 05:05.47 | rking | do people say "homestock"? i find myself saying that all the time, but i'm not sure if i'm the only one |
| 05:05.58 | douglas | Never heard that one |
| 05:06.16 | rking | good |
| 05:06.23 | rking | that means i'm ahead of the trends |
| 05:06.26 | douglas | yes |
| 05:06.30 | douglas | start it up |
| 05:06.36 | delmar | douglas, no not a laptop. |
| 05:06.56 | rking | i will. in fact, i might start a whole line of my own home-*'s, home-deb. |
| 05:07.13 | delmar | it's a P5GD1 mobo with intel ICH6 chipset etc.. P775 land CPU etc. |
| 05:07.23 | delmar | or is it 755. whatever. the one without pins :P |
| 05:07.49 | douglas | delmar: I like a man who's concerned about superfluous fan revolutions |
| 05:07.57 | rking | CPU's have thermometers inside them, right? |
| 05:07.57 | douglas | ... per unit of time |
| 05:08.25 | douglas | rking: either there or some vicinity, or i've been looking at some random ass numbers! |
| 05:08.33 | delmar | douglas, heh. all I know is.. the fan would crank up and scream when the windows install was on it... and when it was under load.... |
| 05:08.48 | delmar | douglas, now that it has Linux on it....no screaming fan. |
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| 05:09.04 | delmar | douglas, no matter how much load I put it under. so that concerns me :P |
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| 05:09.14 | delmar | I like hearing my fan get all loud when it wants to :P |
| 05:09.15 | douglas | well maybe that's because with linux you're not running a hundred and thirty nine background programs |
| 05:09.31 | delmar | douglas, I had thought of that....but.... |
| 05:09.38 | douglas | connecting to russian servers now and then to upload any apparent dcredit card data |
| 05:10.04 | douglas | do you enjoy the rpm changing? like driving a stick shift car, sort of? |
| 05:10.34 | delmar | when the windows install was sitting there doing like.. 2% CPU usage... and we had the fire going.. room would warm up... and slowley.. you could hear the CPU fan start to wind up also. |
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| 05:10.57 | delmar | douglas, nah I just want to make sure it's doing what it should be is all. |
| 05:11.01 | rking | if i was to go buy a Rolls Royce of CPU coolers, would i probably see these heat issues disappear? |
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| 05:11.10 | furbsd | there's nothing wrong with windows |
| 05:11.12 | rking | what i mean is, are they just a sucker-sell? |
| 05:11.13 | psychonate | er, trying to install nvidia drivers on a testing box, and the nvidia installer can't find 'ld'... |
| 05:11.25 | rking | furbsd: STOP FLAMING |
| 05:11.30 | Guerin | bah, stupid americans who all drive automatics |
| 05:11.31 | rking | (j/k) |
| 05:11.38 | Guerin | and who call a manual transmission a 'stick' |
| 05:11.46 | mwilson | Why would you be running the nVidia installer? |
| 05:11.48 | psychonate | ld seems like something that should be present... |
| 05:11.54 | furbsd | do i have to hate windows to use linux? |
| 05:11.59 | psychonate | mwilson, why not? |
| 05:12.11 | douglas | rking: First come the neon lights, then the overclocking, then xbox modding, ... then liquid refrigerated hypothermal cooling systems |
| 05:12.19 | delmar | so as far as ACPI goes, thats not what I need. I don't need to see battery status information :P |
| 05:12.31 | rking | mwilson: the nVidia drivers rawk. i've never gotten better 3-d than my current geForce+nVidias. /me spits on the taintedness of his kernel |
| 05:12.35 | Guerin | delmar: apm can control fan speed... i presume acpi can too |
| 05:12.44 | psychonate | Even so, I would like to know why it can't find 'ld'... |
| 05:12.48 | Guerin | rking: but the nvidia installer is no good |
| 05:12.51 | mwilson | rking: Did I say anything about the quality of the drivers? |
| 05:13.01 | psychonate | ld really should be present methinks |
| 05:13.06 | rking | douglas +1 awesome |
| 05:13.20 | douglas | awesome is not a mod type!! |
| 05:13.26 | douglas | heh |
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| 05:13.33 | psychonate | oh, binutils is not installed |
| 05:13.41 | psychonate | I thought that was generally standard |
| 05:13.55 | mwilson | Why would it be? |
| 05:13.55 | rking | douglas: seriously, are the wacky coolers just a gimmick? |
| 05:13.59 | douglas | delmar: i am seriously about to apt-get it like i said |
| 05:14.10 | psychonate | mwilson, seems like a lot of things use those tools |
| 05:14.30 | rking | psychonate: you're probably just used to apt-get install'ing gcc or something that pulls it in as a dependency |
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| 05:14.44 | psychonate | mwilson, what was your recommendation for the nvidia drivers? |
| 05:14.46 | mwilson | psychonate: So? When people need them, they install them. |
| 05:14.50 | douglas | rking: if you're running esrvers that must NEVER go down and you're keeping them at > 5 load averages.. it's something to consider. On the other hand, so's buying a more powerful server |
| 05:14.56 | delmar | douglas, lol i was jokin. it displays all sorts of things. |
| 05:15.11 | douglas | Delgul_at_work: easy bud i was joking too |
| 05:15.16 | douglas | i mean delmar: |
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| 05:15.33 | delmar | heh. |
| 05:15.34 | tato | is there a way to get the MD5 sum of a burnt CD? (to verify it against the original ISO) |
| 05:15.35 | rking | douglas: well, right now, my CPU's just plain old overheating, and i really do think it just comes down to not having that contact paste in good condition after the 4 teardown/buildups |
| 05:15.45 | delmar | douglas, looks like i need to mess with the kernel a little ... |
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| 05:15.50 | dogayonv | hi everyone |
| 05:15.50 | mwilson | psychonate: I didn't make you a recommendation. I asked you why you were using the installer. |
| 05:15.56 | psychonate | mwilson, 'apt-cache search nvidia' shows no nvidia-kernel package for this particular kernel, but I do see an nvidia-kernel-source package. |
| 05:15.57 | delmar | douglas, add support for thermal devices etc. |
| 05:15.58 | douglas | rking; how hot's it getting? |
| 05:16.19 | psychonate | mwilson, I'm using it because I would like 3d acceleration with my nvidia card. |
| 05:16.20 | douglas | delmar: you are a true debian guy |
| 05:16.24 | douglas | a masochist |
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| 05:16.46 | delmar | douglas and then some :P |
| 05:16.59 | psychonate | Anyway, I'll probably just stick with the official installer if there are no objections. |
| 05:16.59 | rking | douglas: hot enough that the kernel says, "Temperature above threshold" and "Running in modulated clock mode"... i have no idea what part of the system is doing that (i'm glad it is!), but i sure never added any auto-downclocking apps |
| 05:17.09 | douglas | rking: and how fast is the fan going round, and round, and round? |
| 05:17.37 | douglas | maybe hang out in cmos for a bit and monitor this stuff? maybe you're not heating up at all |
| 05:17.43 | rking | douglas: s'fast i can'ardly see it |
| 05:17.47 | psychonate | ls |
| 05:17.54 | psychonate | wrong keyboard :( |
| 05:18.04 | rking | i drive a Rolls Canardly. it rooools down one hill and canardly get up the next! |
| 05:18.15 | rking | psychonate: now you have to reset your password! loser. |
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| 05:18.20 | dogayonv | moans |
| 05:18.28 | douglas | rking: lick the heatsink .. see if it's really painful or not. |
| 05:18.36 | rking | douglas: ok. |
| 05:19.07 | rking | douglas: the heat sink = room temp |
| 05:19.15 | rking | it's that darn paste. what do you call that stuff? |
| 05:19.16 | emergo | apt-setup isnt adding any files to sources.list ... where can I find whats supposed to go in there ? |
| 05:19.22 | songpenguin | rking: try licking the power supply ;-) |
| 05:19.23 | douglas | rking: find something that will tell you how hot it is and how many RPMs you're doing .. not to mention check out the temps of any other thermometers on your board |
| 05:19.51 | douglas | if the fan's moving above 2K and the board's not over 120F, .. chill |
| 05:19.52 | mwilson | It wouldn't ever add any files to sources.list in the first place. It'd add URL's. If it's not, you're not using it correctly. |
| 05:20.02 | rking | emergo: well, that depends on what version of the distro you want to run. I run sid, and have: deb ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 05:20.05 | douglas | rking: do NOT lick the power supply, that is dangerous! |
| 05:20.14 | douglas | and unpleasurable |
| 05:20.15 | rking | emergo: why i'm using a mirror from finland, i'm not sure, but it's working for me. |
| 05:20.33 | psychonate | rking, arctic silver? |
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| 05:21.22 | rking | psychonate: ¿que? |
| 05:21.39 | emergo | rking: thats the only line ? |
| 05:21.45 | douglas | i am disappointed with porn-get .. first of all you can't install it with apt-get, and once you finally get it going, big let down |
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| 05:22.05 | songpenguin | rking: is the computer malfunctioning because it THINKS the CPU is above temp and really the termomiter is off calibration? |
| 05:22.21 | emergo | rking: what about non-us etc ? |
| 05:22.21 | douglas | songpenguin: that's what i was suggesting, yo |
| 05:22.21 | psychonate | porn-get lol sounds nice |
| 05:22.26 | rking | emergo: it might just as well be, the only other lines i have are: deb-src ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ sid main (so i can "apt-get source ..." stuff), and deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main (for gxine) |
| 05:22.32 | douglas | yeah porn-get it's part of the lesbian debian project |
| 05:22.35 | rking | s/gxine/mplayer/, i don't even remember |
| 05:22.44 | rking | emag: i think there is no more non-us. |
| 05:22.44 | songpenguin | douglas: sorry, I was kinda busey and was only looking at the stuff rking was saying |
| 05:23.08 | songpenguin | douglas: you got to be kidding, there really is such a thing? |
| 05:23.10 | douglas | songpenguin: well you should page up and make sure you don't say anything redundant whenever you go afk!! |
| 05:23.21 | douglas | yes there really is |
| 05:23.21 | psychonate | oh, boy, you got songpenguin excited |
| 05:23.28 | songpenguin | douglas: I did but I missed you |
| 05:23.41 | rking | songpenguin: i'm pretty sure the CPU really is hot... it was acting very iffy before. the heatsink isn't hot because of that paste stuff, i think (what's that paste called?) |
| 05:23.50 | douglas | songpenguin: i was kidding about that, not the porn get lesbian debian thing |
| 05:23.52 | douglas | c'mon |
| 05:23.56 | douglas | page up? |
| 05:23.59 | songpenguin | rking: yeah, your heatsink paste might be bad |
| 05:24.10 | songpenguin | douglas: okay, thought so |
| 05:24.31 | douglas | http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ Lesbian GNU/Linux based on Debian |
| 05:24.34 | songpenguin | psychonate, douglas: back in my day we had to install porn from SOURCE!!! |
| 05:24.50 | psychonate | oh, how did that work out O.o ? |
| 05:24.52 | rking | can i use a wad of chewing gum as a substitute for heatsink paste? i'm in a macguyver mood. |
| 05:25.01 | douglas | ... well hate to dampen things but porn-get does rely on sources like apt-get.. |
| 05:25.03 | songpenguin | rking: nonono |
| 05:25.19 | douglas | wait bad url |
| 05:25.24 | songpenguin | rking: didn't you see the episode when the jeep's radiator went out? |
| 05:25.31 | songpenguin | rking: you need to use eggs! |
| 05:25.37 | rking | so far i've been told to lick my heat sink, my power supply, and not to use chewing gum on my CPU. am i coming across as an idiot? =) |
| 05:25.45 | rking | eggs! |
| 05:25.47 | rking | will.do |
| 05:25.55 | douglas | no i was right you can get porn-get on www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 05:26.07 | rking | worst case i get a tasty farewell meal for my once-glorious machine. |
| 05:26.13 | emergo | rking: Ign ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release |
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| 05:26.39 | songpenguin | douglas: wow, that's what I call efficiency |
| 05:26.40 | douglas | rking: This is what you get for not buying the redhat tech help subscription! |
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| 05:26.59 | rking | emergo: i think "Ign" means, "Ignoring the fact that the URL i was given was a 404" |
| 05:27.27 | rking | douglas: oh. |
| 05:28.13 | douglas | on a not-explicitely-debian note, while nobody's looking, anyone find themselves getting better requests processed per second rates on apache2 versus apache? |
| 05:29.10 | douglas | rking: is the fan sucking air away from or pushing toward the cpu/ |
| 05:29.11 | rking | douglas: are you? |
| 05:29.22 | douglas | rking: yes |
| 05:29.25 | douglas | on 1 |
| 05:29.37 | songpenguin | hey, I just compiled a kernel, brb (hopefully) |
| 05:29.39 | douglas | ... but i also upgraded php on a php heavy site around the same time |
| 05:29.51 | douglas | while rolling back apache |
| 05:30.21 | rking | douglas: it's pushing away... with about the force of a butterfly sneeze. |
| 05:30.24 | douglas | good luck young grasshopper |
| 05:30.33 | douglas | Pushing into? |
| 05:30.50 | rking | douglas: like sucking air from the sink and at my leg |
| 05:30.54 | douglas | Does it hurt when you shove your finger in it real quick like? |
| 05:31.00 | douglas | oh |
| 05:31.02 | douglas | ok good |
| 05:31.26 | douglas | your cmos doesn't give you any temp data? |
| 05:31.28 | psychonate | Does anyone use Fast Writes and SBA with his/her nvidia card? |
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| 05:32.01 | rking | douglas: you keep saying cmos where i'd say bios - are they the same? |
| 05:32.08 | douglas | Wow you can notice a butterfly sneeze with your leg .. damn ;) |
| 05:32.25 | douglas | well i enter cmos i think |
| 05:32.36 | rking | douglas: only if it's on the other side of the world causing a monsoon in my location |
| 05:32.39 | rking | but i can tell |
| 05:32.39 | douglas | and bios i associate with hardware hardware.. |
| 05:32.46 | aero | I have setup sound on my system, but not for games for some reasons, I am trying pacman, and airstrike, but there is no sound and I can't think of where to start to fix this |
| 05:32.56 | douglas | "they both look alike' |
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| 05:33.22 | douglas | aero: you know the mantra, "If you're interested in sound, you shouldn't be running Debian" |
| 05:34.12 | rking | aero: strace, always strace. strace -e open -o str pacman; then page through "str" to see if you get an ENOENT on, say, /dev/dsp |
| 05:34.19 | douglas | aero: i wouldn't even know how to google that |
| 05:34.36 | douglas | oh man strace good luck with all that |
| 05:34.36 | rking | aero: do you know the whole hoo-ha about ALSA vs OSS |
| 05:34.46 | rking | douglas -1 chump |
| 05:35.00 | douglas | damn i have to climb back up |
| 05:35.07 | douglas | OSS rules! |
| 05:35.08 | aero | rking, I am using arts |
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| 05:35.16 | douglas | boo hsss arts |
| 05:35.18 | aero | douglas, I never heard that |
| 05:35.28 | douglas | open source sound system? |
| 05:35.43 | rking | that would be OSSS |
| 05:35.56 | douglas | .... |
| 05:36.02 | douglas | so i missed an s |
| 05:36.03 | aero | douglas, no, I mean, the mantra you mentioned |
| 05:36.06 | douglas | mod me down |
| 05:36.28 | rking | douglas: dude, if i had to type stuff every time you did something lame i'd get, like, carpal tunnel |
| 05:36.31 | kreg | can someone recommend a way to clean out the contacts of an old dirty ethernet switch and the ethernet cable ends going into the switch? i pulled some lines and the ends dragged in sand and dirt. also the switch is old with poor contacts in the ports. |
| 05:36.37 | douglas | heh |
| 05:36.41 | kreg | somekind of aresol solution? |
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| 05:37.02 | douglas | oh that mantra? ... just my own experience, not to mention the volume of questions asked here related to sound not working right |
| 05:37.08 | douglas | no real matra per se |
| 05:37.13 | Penix | kreg: canned air or something similar |
| 05:37.36 | Loof | Is there any way to make a stock 2.6.x kernel byteswap a device (presumably via some funny ioctl)...or do I need a patched kernel for that? |
| 05:37.43 | douglas | if i get sound working without a hitch, .. or even with some hitches on a new deb install, i know God isn't presently pissed at me |
| 05:38.14 | douglas | Loof: good question |
| 05:38.33 | rking | douglas: here's my writeup, forged in a similar emotion: http://sharpsaw.org/doc/linux-sound-desperation-HOWTO.txt |
| 05:39.14 | douglas | i'll read it if you check out my powered-by-debian site assambassador.com :) |
| 05:40.01 | douglas | lol this ain't bad |
| 05:40.02 | aero | douglas, I never had a problem with sound until now |
| 05:40.19 | douglas | ok you're Mr. Exception |
| 05:40.22 | SimonRaven | kreg: lots of patience and q-tips, with some rubbing alcohol. let it dry |
| 05:40.33 | kreg | SimonRaven, ya was thinking that. |
| 05:40.36 | aero | Hey, my ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't work, aint that a bitch |
| 05:40.46 | SimonRaven | kreg: and lots of praying of whatever religion you follow, if any |
| 05:40.50 | kreg | trying to think of a aresol liquid solution that dries |
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| 05:41.23 | douglas | that is a bitch, that's one of the coolest things about linux/x, the ctrl f* thing |
| 05:41.44 | daedalus_ | kreg: A q-tip with some vinegar.... followed by a q-tip with some water. |
| 05:41.49 | douglas | well, alt ctrol when already in x .. |
| 05:41.53 | SimonRaven | that works too |
| 05:42.04 | SimonRaven | gotta let it dry too |
| 05:42.13 | douglas | i can look so busy at the office bouncing around consoles |
| 05:42.19 | douglas | tail -f'ing everything |
| 05:42.26 | douglas | numbers flying everywhere |
| 05:42.30 | daedalus_ | kreg: it's gonna take a thin layer of metal off the contacts, so don't drown it in vinegar or you won't have any plating left |
| 05:42.44 | douglas | removed the right monitor cord pin to get the text green |
| 05:42.49 | douglas | and i'm in the matrix |
| 05:43.22 | aero | douglas, it works in text mode, but I can't switch from x to text mode, even when all I have running is xdm |
| 05:43.41 | daedalus_ | douglas: dude... you can change your console color without borking your monitor.... |
| 05:43.44 | aero | that means, I have to kill xdm from within X, to get into text mode |
| 05:44.07 | douglas | aero: .. i assume you're sure about that alt button working despite what you were doing the other night? |
| 05:44.29 | vivek | there seems to be a conflict between udev and alsa-utils ... how do i fix this ? ( I am in unstable ) rather where should i start looking for information on this ? |
| 05:44.45 | douglas | daedalus_: Maybe i got people looking over my shoulder right now and want to sound eliter knowing which pin is the matrix pin?? |
| 05:44.52 | douglas | think of THAT? |
| 05:44.53 | daedalus_ | aero: if you're in text mode, can you ctrl+alt+F2 to get to a different tty? |
| 05:45.00 | aero | douglas, what you talkin about? what was I doing the other night? |
| 05:45.21 | daedalus_ | douglas: maybe your a douche for wanting to be eliter? |
| 05:45.33 | douglas | what am i talking about? whatever it is, it's very tangential and bizarre, fueled by dextroamphetamine |
| 05:45.35 | aero | daedalus_, yeah in text mode, I can alt+F1...2..., no need ctrl |
| 05:45.37 | douglas | and bipolarity |
| 05:45.38 | daedalus_ | douglas: err s/your/you're |
| 05:45.40 | psychonate | Is it generally better to use nfs-kernel-server rather than nfs-user-server? |
| 05:46.00 | douglas | dead: ahh you caught yourself youring .. not bad |
| 05:46.00 | leminhteo | how can i limit user access my webserver |
| 05:46.07 | daedalus_ | aero: Right... Hmm.. Are you sure your ctrl key works? |
| 05:46.16 | aero | douglas is feeling giddy or something, he took a happy pill it seems |
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| 05:46.38 | aero | daedalus_, lol yeah I'm sure |
| 05:46.48 | douglas | daedalus_: and maybe it is you who is the douche for thinking first of all that I have a job a second i actually spend my day changing consoles |
| 05:47.04 | douglas | aero: yeah i said i took some crank |
| 05:47.07 | douglas | cut me some slack |
| 05:47.29 | daedalus_ | douglas: I thought you had a job? |
| 05:47.41 | douglas | well i do but that's incidental |
| 05:48.00 | aero | douglas, so, what that doesn't make you act weird, I think you are being cliff from cheers the night they lost their liqour license and were serving non alcoholic beer |
| 05:48.14 | leminhteo | how can i limit user access my webserver |
| 05:48.20 | douglas | aero: the other six pills i'm supposed to take, and sleep |
| 05:48.23 | rking | douglas -1 justgotslammedbyaero |
| 05:48.23 | aero | sound works for some games |
| 05:48.38 | douglas | no i recovered |
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| 05:48.41 | daedalus_ | aero: Alright... I'm gonna leave flyboy to himself... Uh... have you tried a different DM? like gdm? |
| 05:48.52 | douglas | [metamod] unfair |
| 05:48.54 | aero | daedalus_, yeah |
| 05:49.14 | daedalus_ | leminhteo: define "limit"" |
| 05:49.16 | psychonate | How can I check my domainname? |
| 05:49.24 | daedalus_ | aero: any change? |
| 05:49.43 | douglas | when i can figure how to, i go commando sans dm |
| 05:49.43 | daedalus_ | psychonate: uh host <yourip> |
| 05:49.58 | aero | daedalus_, lol, Yeah, the ctrl+alt+f1 works even less. I'm not too concerned about it, thx for you help, I am wishing I could play airstrike with sound |
| 05:51.04 | douglas | one day i switched kernels and i discovered that my mic jack was now the sound output jack |
| 05:51.07 | douglas | trippy |
| 05:51.08 | aero | daedalus_, or it was really not working a lot, now its not working just a little bit |
| 05:51.23 | douglas | plus it was in stereo when the mic wasn't |
| 05:51.27 | douglas | you'd think that's impossible. |
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| 05:52.10 | douglas | hey rking |
| 05:52.22 | daedalus_ | douglas: sounds like you're the kind of guy who has friends who like to play trippy jokes on you... like swap your speakers and microphone cables when you boot a different kernel.... |
| 05:52.24 | rking | douglas: going commanDMo is just a matter of removing /etc/rc2.d/S99?dm |
| 05:52.47 | douglas | daedalus_: i'd like to say you're wrong, .. but how could i be sure |
| 05:53.11 | douglas | rking; another 20 mgs of juice and i might actually try that |
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| 05:54.07 | douglas | mgs as in milligrams |
| 05:54.18 | rking | douglas: of LSD |
| 05:54.36 | douglas | no lamer, you measure acid in micrograms |
| 05:54.40 | rking | douglas: do you seriously not know about the init process and the rc?.d symlinks |
| 05:54.46 | rking | douglas: not me, ya lightweight |
| 05:55.01 | douglas | rking: i know that apache is in /etc/init.d/ |
| 05:55.06 | douglas | the binary command at least |
| 05:55.17 | douglas | and that there are a whole lot of man pages about init stuff. |
| 05:56.11 | douglas | rking did you fire up that url? got a kick out of your howto |
| 05:56.19 | rking | douglas: right, /etc/init.d/ is just like a special "/bin/" dir, where all the scripts basically promise to start when invoked with the arg "start", and stop when given "stop"... then it's up to the system and the user to agree which of those scripts get run at which runlevels. the default runlevel in debian is 2, so pretty much if you want to affect startup you just add/remove symlinks from /etc/rc2.d |
| 05:56.31 | douglas | kinda like autoexec?? |
| 05:56.35 | douglas | c'mon buddy give me some credit |
| 05:56.39 | rking | douglas: blushingly, yeah.. i checked it out. =) |
| 05:56.45 | douglas | you like? |
| 05:56.51 | douglas | quality, right? |
| 05:56.51 | rking | douglas: yeah, you've got good taste |
| 05:57.09 | daedalus_ | rking: dude!!!! use update-rc.d |
| 05:57.12 | douglas | so the lack of flagrant smut was not that disillusioning to you? |
| 05:57.33 | rking | douglas: you kidding? that was the best part |
| 05:57.42 | douglas | well thanks for coming to the embassy |
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| 05:58.00 | rking | daedalus_: i work with someone that uses it, but he couldn't explain to me why, and i've yet to get around to reading up on it |
| 05:58.11 | douglas | when was the last time you saw a site that nice without any apparent business model |
| 05:58.31 | douglas | not even instructions on how to paypal a donation |
| 05:58.31 | welson | rking, update-rc.d |
| 05:58.59 | welson | rking, you don't need to manual make the symlinks, this program does it |
| 05:59.00 | daedalus_ | rking: use it to keep your system sane. Debian way and all that sort of thing... |
| 05:59.01 | rking | douglas: c2.com, but i definitely don't want to diminish your glory. if you're still around in a year, /then/ you've done something. how are you planning on paying for bandwidth when assass catches on? |
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| 05:59.57 | welson | rking, but they're S K symlinks.. the arguments are not needed |
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| 06:01.21 | SDFH_Linux | no kernel 2.6.12 yet on deb repos? |
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| 06:02.15 | adsadsad | hi all |
| 06:02.28 | paulie_c | can anyone explain to me what fontconfig does? i'm looking at font.conf and what i basically see is properties of some fonts. how is this used? |
| 06:02.30 | vivek | how do i get a runlevel where xorg is not started automatically ? |
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| 06:02.52 | douglas | rking: well i started it in may, 300MHz box on a 50KB/s outgoing pipe, promotting it only with a couple slashdot posts with a link in my sig, next thing i know i'm getting 2k IPs a day 40% of which stayed for more than 30 minutes.. tried to see how google text ads would sustain me but the rejected the embassy :(, but found another ad broker and tweaked the thing eventually to cover my overhead. Pulled the ads at that point, got a buddy who wants |
| 06:03.11 | vivek | id:2:initdefault: is what i have in /etc/inittab ... it should be multiuser and no x login ? |
| 06:03.15 | welson | vivek, xorg is out on etch? |
| 06:03.26 | vivek | welson: yes xorg is out |
| 06:03.43 | Penix | !nodm |
| 06:03.43 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 06:03.48 | vivek | welson: unstable has xorg |
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| 06:03.57 | welson | vivek, ok i'm trying it.. |
| 06:03.57 | stouset | I just noticed when removing my 2.6.8 kernel for the new linux-image-2.6.12 package that initrd-tools is no longer used. Is that right? How does the new kernel build an initrd image, then? |
| 06:04.07 | vivek | Penix: tnx |
| 06:04.14 | douglas | laying back in the cut until i max the pipe out 100% of time so i can give him a confident estimate on a quick ROI |
| 06:04.47 | stouset | douglas: "max the pipe", "ROI"...are you wearing a suit |
| 06:05.00 | douglas | birthday :) j/k |
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| 06:05.11 | douglas | speaking of suits, halhoupro2.halliburton.com |
| 06:05.17 | douglas | is on my ass site now |
| 06:05.17 | Penix | don't forget the pointy hair |
| 06:05.21 | rking_ | dangit, my box died again |
| 06:05.22 | douglas | these halliburton guys and porn |
| 06:05.24 | douglas | at the office |
| 06:05.27 | DanNn | hi there: Is it possible to send mail with mutt and exim(sendmail) to an external smtp server? |
| 06:05.43 | adsadsad | i'm booting a 2.4 kernel with grub and command line: root=/dev/had1, when the system start i get a readonly root |
| 06:05.49 | douglas | Penix my man how's it hangin' |
| 06:06.10 | adsadsad | if i change root=/dev/had1,rw i get a kernel panic that raiserfs bla bla |
| 06:06.17 | adsadsad | hda1 is ext2 |
| 06:06.25 | rking_ | see? all is not well on my machine. well, for what it's worth, after it died i took the heatsink off and felt the top of the processor itself, and it was but warm. maybe the heat dissipated already? |
| 06:06.31 | douglas | reiserfs rules... cough. |
| 06:06.55 | adsadsad | what i should do to get a read write root? |
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| 06:08.03 | stouset | adsadsad: Are you using a custom kernel? |
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| 06:08.42 | welson | the xorg package did a swift job.. not bad.. |
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| 06:09.27 | adsadsad | no the dfs kernle |
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| 06:09.40 | adsadsad | debian from scratch kernel |
| 06:10.12 | asd | dpkg |
| 06:11.07 | adsadsad | i can't get why root=/dev/had1,rw cause the kernel to try reiserfs, i've no fstab mtab or anything telling reiserfs |
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| 06:12.58 | adsadsad | should i use rdev to modify the kernel image? |
| 06:13.14 | adsadsad | but i think the grub kernel command line have priority |
| 06:13.22 | welson | adsadsad, only if you have no other choice and know what you're doing |
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| 06:13.46 | welson | asd, there's no device /dev/had1 |
| 06:13.55 | welson | adsadsad, there's no device /dev/had1 |
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| 06:14.04 | adsadsad | ops: /dev/hda1 |
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| 06:14.19 | adsadsad | i have it and is mountable with ext2 readwrite |
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| 06:14.28 | welson | adsadsad, you need reiserfs support, rdev won't help |
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| 06:14.58 | adsadsad | why i need reiserfs? |
| 06:15.22 | adsadsad | i don't need any mount with reiserfs |
| 06:15.59 | adsadsad | with root=/dev/hda1 i get a working system but / get mounted in read only |
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| 06:17.19 | welson | adsadsad, fstab needs to be there |
| 06:18.06 | adsadsad | i have it |
| 06:18.37 | welson | adsadsad, (not insulting) i dont mean to be rude but your english is not comprehensive. you did say something about reiserfs |
| 06:18.46 | adsadsad | /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults 0 0 |
| 06:19.19 | adsadsad | welson: u are right about my english :) |
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| 06:20.18 | welson | adsadsad, in that case you should go to #debian-<urlang>, you already gave me the impression you had "no" fstab, now you're telling you do.. so it is very confusing unfortunately. |
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| 06:21.18 | adsadsad | #debian-it |
| 06:21.20 | adsadsad | ops |
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| 06:22.04 | adsadsad | i've fstab but no the word "reiserfs" in it |
| 06:22.24 | adsadsad | mtab is an empty file |
| 06:22.56 | adsadsad | _ /boot/grub/menu.lst say root=/dev/hda1,rw |
| 06:23.11 | exobyte | in a script, what's $1 |
| 06:23.27 | adsadsad | and the kernel tell me: VFS: no reiserfs mounting on (3,0) |
| 06:23.54 | philips | I have a testing/unstable box. I was going to run a dist-upgrade but the gcc 4.0 upgrade is kind of bad for this type of box. Is sid working ok for most people or should I just hold tight? |
| 06:24.02 | adsadsad | with _ /boot/grub/menu.lst say root=/dev/hda1,ro i get a working system |
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| 06:24.19 | adsadsad | but read only |
| 06:24.20 | adsadsad | bah |
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| 06:24.53 | welson | adsadsad, i don't understand you at *all |
| 06:25.02 | adsadsad | argh ok :) |
| 06:25.16 | meppl | whatever |
| 06:25.32 | meppl | gentoo is less stable then debian unstable |
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| 06:27.29 | yoshio_ | exobyte: $1 is the first parameter, $0 would be the command you just ran |
| 06:27.58 | exobyte | yoshio_: thx. It's been a while |
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| 06:30.42 | eggy | How the hell do I resume a stopped job? |
| 06:30.55 | Guerin | fg |
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| 06:31.14 | eggy | thanks |
| 06:31.26 | yoshio_ | eggy: you can type "jobs" to see what jobs you have running in that shell |
| 06:31.41 | eggy | right, I know how to get a job list |
| 06:31.53 | eggy | just forget the command to bring em back |
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| 06:32.04 | eggy | which is fg :) |
| 06:32.09 | psychonate | man, I love NFS |
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| 06:38.29 | libertine | lfs vs gentoo，which better |
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| 06:40.12 | trend | hello.. I have rpcbind (portmap) running on ym server.. how can I dissable it? |
| 06:40.26 | trend | I believe I removed it from /etc/rc2.d/ and it isn't in inetd.conf |
| 06:41.01 | trend | nm |
| 06:41.01 | trend | got it |
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| 06:41.13 | trend | ./etc/init.d/portmap stop :) |
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| 06:43.53 | WildMagic | is there a way to 'debian-ise' a source package? I recently downloaded the latest version of gaim in src form .. it compiles well and works well. But I'd like to generate a .deb and install with dpkg |
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| 06:44.36 | n0op | your booking for double room for a week from the 27th of Sept has been |
| 06:44.36 | n0op | accepted. If you would like to confirm your booking you should get back |
| 06:44.36 | n0op | to me with your credit card details, you can do this by Email or by |
| 06:44.36 | n0op | calling 02 93571199 (+612 93571199 from outside OZ). |
| 06:44.36 | n0op | regards |
| 06:44.37 | n0op | Dan |
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| 06:44.49 | n0op | shite |
| 06:44.55 | n0op | sorry |
| 06:44.58 | Guerin | twat |
| 06:44.59 | deadcat | moron |
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| 06:45.07 | leminhteo | hi all |
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| 06:45.36 | n0op | twat i take... you can get fucked deadcat |
| 06:45.47 | deadcat | n0op: fuck you |
| 06:46.14 | trend | heh |
| 06:46.17 | trend | the joys of irc |
| 06:46.22 | n0op | :D |
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| 06:46.44 | deadcat | n0op: if you dont read the /topic, you're a moron. |
| 06:47.09 | trend | deadcat it was an accidential paste |
| 06:47.18 | n0op | wtf man do u think i meant to paste that in here??? |
| 06:47.22 | trend | lol |
| 06:47.58 | deadcat | n0op: i am not you so i dont know |
| 06:48.09 | trend | I know, I know! |
| 06:48.27 | trend | can I remove portmap ? I only run apache and ssh on my server :) |
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| 06:48.36 | liable | yes |
| 06:48.44 | trend | what about exim4? |
| 06:48.55 | trend | i just had them both starting up after i do an apt-get upgrade |
| 06:49.11 | liable | no, you need an mta. |
| 06:49.18 | trend | oh ok |
| 06:49.19 | trend | that is what i thought |
| 06:49.20 | trend | thanks |
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| 06:49.35 | iCER | ;) |
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| 06:49.43 | iCER | anyone use fluxbox-devel ? |
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| 06:49.53 | deadcat | trend: you can rm exim4, you just dont get system mails |
| 06:49.59 | deadcat | iCER: thats .9? |
| 06:50.21 | trend | hmm |
| 06:50.33 | trend | well. . I have had it turned off for months |
| 06:50.40 | trend | so i guess i could remove |
| 06:50.57 | trend | I could always use someone else's smtp server to send notifications, right? |
| 06:51.04 | iCER | 0.1.14 |
| 06:51.06 | liable | try it, I dont think apt will let you. |
| 06:51.15 | trend | me? |
| 06:51.42 | deadcat | iCER: thats not devel thats stable isnt it? |
| 06:52.14 | deadcat | trend: no. system mails has to be delivered by your local mta |
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| 06:52.44 | liable | trend: yeah, but nm, I just did it. |
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| 06:55.00 | trend | hmm.. yeah i will remove |
| 06:55.04 | trend | i do'nt really use systemmail |
| 06:55.08 | trend | or should I? |
| 06:55.16 | trend | this is a public webserver |
| 06:55.41 | trend | i was thinking about writing some scripts to notify me of events.. but they could use other people's smtp |
| 06:55.48 | jimi | hey whats a good hard-copy linux based magazine in australia?? |
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| 06:56.01 | meppl | dont know |
| 06:56.02 | trend | you'll have sys admin? |
| 06:56.06 | meppl | im pissing now |
| 06:56.09 | meppl | and |
| 06:56.19 | Liquid_Tension | I appear to be having trouble with an install, it claims there is no partitionable media. I'm assuming its because I'm using SATA hard drives and this is the first time I've tried using them. any suggestions on which image i can use, or how to do it with them? |
| 06:56.20 | meppl | gentoo is stable like debian sid |
| 06:56.53 | meppl | slay radioy |
| 06:56.55 | meppl | -y |
| 06:56.55 | trend | wow! exim is small.... 32.8kB disk space will be freed. |
| 06:57.09 | liable | trend: theres the daemon too. |
| 06:57.42 | liable | trend: its a meta package. |
| 06:57.48 | trend | oh ok |
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| 06:57.57 | trend | well.. then how do i remove exim4 ? |
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| 06:58.05 | trend | i did apt-get remove exim4.. |
| 06:58.16 | liable | trend: dpkg -l |grep exim |
| 06:58.32 | toresbe | Anyone here know of a decent multitrack sound editor for Linux? |
| 06:59.01 | Liquid_Tension | any support on install debian to sata drives? |
| 06:59.12 | cahoot | toresbe: ardour? I'd ask in #lad |
| 06:59.30 | toresbe | W: Unable to locate package ardour |
| 06:59.33 | toresbe | thanks |
| 07:00.17 | trend | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 07:00.17 | trend | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.22 | trend | heck no.. i need at |
| 07:00.25 | trend | right? |
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| 07:00.45 | trend | i have never used at.. but surely my system needs it |
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| 07:01.15 | nkuttler | trend: that's not sarge, is it? |
| 07:01.58 | trend | if I was a newbie and didn't know how to check, what would you tell him |
| 07:02.15 | nkuttler | trend: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:02.22 | Rangitoto | I am about to replace my CD writer with a DVD writer and, also, replace my monitor. Do I need to do anything to get debian to recognise the new hardware? |
| 07:02.34 | trend | testing/unstable |
| 07:02.37 | trend | hmm |
| 07:02.41 | trend | which is interesting.... |
| 07:02.52 | trend | because this server should be working on stable.. as it is a product server |
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| 07:02.59 | dondelelcaro | Rangitoto: generally speaking, no. |
| 07:03.06 | liable | Rangitoto: reconfigure x for the monitor, dvd should be ok. |
| 07:03.08 | nkuttler | trend: go reinstall |
| 07:03.32 | trend | can I just change /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:03.37 | liable | trend: what are your sources pointing at? |
| 07:03.39 | nkuttler | trend: what did you do? |
| 07:03.39 | trend | and it eventually get back to stable? |
| 07:03.43 | liable | no |
| 07:03.51 | nkuttler | !tell trend about downgrade |
| 07:03.51 | trend | deb http://linux.mirrors.layeredtech.com/debian testing main |
| 07:03.52 | trend | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 07:04.01 | Rangitoto | liable: How do I reconfigure x? |
| 07:04.07 | nkuttler | trend: see the 'testing' there? |
| 07:04.16 | trend | yea |
| 07:04.19 | liable | !drxx Rangitoto |
| 07:04.21 | dpkg | Rangitoto: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:04.36 | trend | this sucks.. this is a dedicated server.. so i cnanot really reinstall it |
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| 07:04.46 | Atula | !faq |
| 07:04.46 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 07:04.55 | adsadsad | where can i find a name/description list of debian kernel command line? |
| 07:05.16 | nkuttler | trend: better you chose when to reinstall than having a major breakage when you don't expect it |
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| 07:05.55 | trend | testing that likely to break? |
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| 07:06.25 | nkuttler | trend: yes, and /msg dpkg testing security |
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| 07:08.11 | trend | ROOOOOOOT! |
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| 07:09.32 | trend | man.. this sucks |
| 07:09.59 | trend | well.. is there a way to downgrade without apt? |
| 07:10.12 | nkuttler | trend: well, a reinstall takes like, one hour |
| 07:10.37 | trend | yeah.. but because this is a dedicated server (aka located in a server farm far far away), I cannot do it.. i would have to pay them to reinstall. :( |
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| 07:10.57 | Rick---- | hi.. i get the following error when i start djbdns... |
| 07:10.58 | Rick---- | svc: relocation error: svc: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
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| 07:11.06 | nkuttler | trend: did you change the sources.list? if you didn't it's up to them to fix it |
| 07:11.10 | Rick---- | how do i resolve this ? |
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| 07:11.25 | trend | nkuttler I really wouldn't think i would change it.. |
| 07:11.28 | Rick---- | i think it is due to some glibc updates.. |
| 07:11.31 | E|ement | hi all |
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| 07:11.38 | nkuttler | trend: ask them, could be they build their custom packages |
| 07:11.47 | Rick---- | any ideas ? |
| 07:12.03 | nkuttler | Rick----: google the error? |
| 07:12.05 | trend | no, i know the people that manage my servers.. and they asked me if i want stable or whta.. and i said stable |
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| 07:12.20 | cat | hey people |
| 07:12.21 | trend | after that.. they do not do anything past installing ssh |
| 07:12.31 | trend | how can i check and see who edited the file last? |
| 07:12.44 | E|ement | i need some help.I`m a begginer in Debian linux... and when i try to install nodeview on debian server, i get this error:checking for Qt... Qt not installed. Make sure Qt 3.x is installed before proceeding |
| 07:13.00 | E|ement | how toinstall qt on debian linux? |
| 07:13.02 | nkuttler | trend: you can check the timestamp |
| 07:13.08 | liable | trend: it will be root of course. |
| 07:13.19 | cat | i have a question my dell monitor works fine, but everytime i installed debian it won't let me see anything is there something i can do to fixed my monitor? |
| 07:13.39 | trend | hmm.. |
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| 07:13.48 | NEXiUM | Hi all |
| 07:13.57 | trend | but if sources.list has a timestamp of when the system was installed.. i would know it was their fault |
| 07:14.05 | nkuttler | !nickometer E|ement |
| 07:14.05 | dpkg | 'E|ement' is 15.000% lame, nkuttler |
| 07:14.13 | liable | true |
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| 07:14.49 | liable | E|ement: probably libqt something needed. |
| 07:15.19 | Rick---- | nkuttler: yes.. i did |
| 07:15.25 | trend | now to find out when debian was installed on this system |
| 07:15.28 | trend | how can i tell that? |
| 07:15.40 | Rick---- | nkuttler: but, not of much luck |
| 07:16.01 | trend | i guess just ls -lo / |
| 07:16.05 | liable | trend: install template? in /root |
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| 07:17.04 | E|ement | liable i`ll try to install libqt packages.Thanks in advanced |
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| 07:17.45 | Rick---- | nkuttler: any idea > |
| 07:18.16 | nkuttler | Rick----: is that stable? |
| 07:18.39 | trend | hmm |
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| 07:18.44 | nkuttler | Rick----: check the bts, report a bug if necessary |
| 07:18.44 | Rick---- | sid |
| 07:18.50 | trend | the timestamps on some files look like last year |
| 07:19.01 | trend | i am pretty sure that this distro was installed this year |
| 07:19.05 | trend | could this be possible? |
| 07:19.06 | nkuttler | trend: i think the installer preserves some timestamps |
| 07:19.13 | trend | yeah.. that is what i was thinking :) |
| 07:19.14 | liable | trend: or look at your oldest syslog if still there. |
| 07:19.20 | trend | can I change the timestamps of a file? |
| 07:19.26 | nkuttler | the kernel images maybe |
| 07:19.45 | liable | trend: yes, man touch |
| 07:19.58 | trend | but that would only make the timestamps current, right? |
| 07:20.07 | trend | nm |
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| 07:21.11 | glick | hey does anyone here play ET? |
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| 07:22.01 | trend | would it be hard to downgrade from unstable to stable? |
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| 07:22.08 | EvilSporkMan | glick: only when i really want to watch bad movies |
| 07:22.16 | EvilSporkMan | trend: yes, it's rumored a real pain |
| 07:22.18 | glick | EvilSporkMan, what do you mean? |
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| 07:22.32 | EvilSporkMan | glick: bad pun...care to elaborate on "ET"? |
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| 07:22.44 | glick | EvilSporkMan, enemy territory |
| 07:22.48 | pentium451 | anyone know why 'arm-linux-objcopy -I binary -O elf32-little -B arm flashdump.bin flashdump.elf' would result in the 'file' command reporting 'arch=no machine'? |
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| 07:23.49 | EvilSporkMan | pentium451: perhaps that command produces a broken object file |
| 07:23.50 | nkuttler | trend: you can't do it remote anyway |
| 07:23.52 | glick | wow thats hella-cool libertines's quit message, i can see the japanses charactrs |
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| 07:23.58 | trend | oh |
| 07:24.11 | jnc_ | I just tried to dist-upgrade (unstable) and my system melted |
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| 07:24.23 | nkuttler | jnc_: it's called unstable for a reason :) |
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| 07:24.33 | pentium451 | EvilSporkMan: ya, I'm using it just like I saw on google examples |
| 07:24.33 | trend | well.. I am on testing |
| 07:24.34 | SDFH_Linux | melted? |
| 07:24.35 | trend | not unstable |
| 07:24.41 | trend | big diff? |
| 07:24.44 | jnc_ | Every time I try to run various programs I get 'error while loading shared libraries: libelf.so.0: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14' |
| 07:25.04 | jnc_ | I've seen it for libacl, libelf, libgcrypt and libcrypt so far |
| 07:25.05 | nkuttler | trend: i'd speak to the provider as a first step |
| 07:25.25 | jnc_ | Apparently it has something to do with 'pax', but I dunno what that is. It's certainly nothing I ever enabled. |
| 07:25.42 | liable | trend: for a production server, you dont want to run etch. |
| 07:25.50 | nkuttler | jnc_: check the bts, google, fix it, include the fix in a bug report |
| 07:26.07 | trend | what does etch mean? I know you are meaning testing.. but is that the name of the current testing? |
| 07:26.23 | nkuttler | !etch |
| 07:26.23 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 07:26.25 | liable | trend: yes etch is testing |
| 07:26.25 | jnc_ | I saw a web page saying I could run 'execstack -c' on the libraries that are complaining, so I installed it but of course it requires libelf to run, which is kind of circular |
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| 07:26.26 | poonj | hey guys |
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| 07:26.40 | usn | good morning |
| 07:26.44 | jnc_ | ..nkuttler I have googled, thanks. It keeps telling me to run pax stuff, but I'm not running pax. |
| 07:26.44 | liable | E|ement: please dont /msg me |
| 07:26.45 | poonj | are there different versions of qt available? |
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| 07:26.56 | poonj | or is qt3 just one package with the latest version? |
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| 07:29.33 | dondelelcaro | poonj: at one point there were multiple versions, yes; and policy requires that libraries include their soname in the library package name. |
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| 07:29.53 | mattfury | hooray! |
| 07:30.08 | mattfury | ohh |
| 07:30.11 | poonj | umm okay |
| 07:30.17 | poonj | I don't know where to look on this issue |
| 07:30.18 | mattfury | lol |
| 07:30.27 | mattfury | which issue |
| 07:30.30 | poonj | but I'm running a program called nuvexport and its giving me an error |
| 07:30.31 | poonj | QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range |
| 07:30.52 | poonj | I believe its a qt3 thing...but I don't know if its because my version of QT is out of date |
| 07:30.55 | mattfury | err google? |
| 07:30.57 | poonj | or if I need to do something else |
| 07:31.13 | poonj | I did..but nothing really |
| 07:32.00 | Rick---- | so, it seems that sid is not stable eh ? |
| 07:32.10 | dondelelcaro | Rick----: it's called unstable for a reason. |
| 07:32.34 | liable | Rick----: its also in the /topic |
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| 07:33.47 | trend | cool.. I msged the people that handle our dedis |
| 07:33.50 | trend | thanks for the help guys! |
| 07:33.53 | Rick---- | yeah.. so now sarge is stable eh |
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| 07:35.42 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 07:36.08 | trend | man.. i just picked up 2 great books.. linux server hacks and network security hacks.. both oreilly books :) |
| 07:36.11 | trend | great reading! |
| 07:36.23 | cat | nice, |
| 07:36.27 | cat | what did you learn? |
| 07:36.28 | dodgyville | I just tried to install wine from the source, but it filled up /dev/hda1. What exactly is stored on that partition, and how best to clear room? |
| 07:36.32 | NEXiUM | lolol |
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| 07:36.44 | trend | heh.. so much! |
| 07:36.57 | trend | both have the subtitle.. 100 industrial-strength tips and tricks |
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| 07:37.15 | trend | I think i am on 40 in the first one |
| 07:37.22 | cat | yeah i order the debian bible 3.0 i just need to wait until next week, |
| 07:37.25 | dodgyville | trend: ...or your OSS money back? |
| 07:37.26 | trend | then will implement some of the stuff then reread |
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| 07:37.40 | ginipig | hi guys, has anyone here found a packaged version of wmii? |
| 07:37.53 | Loof | Anyone know if there is a 'bswap' option for usb drives as with IDE drives? Also, are there any limitations as far as direct access of the drive when using USB instead of IDE? |
| 07:37.55 | trend | debian bible 3.0 ? never heard of it |
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| 07:37.58 | trend | let me break out google |
| 07:38.25 | trend | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764547100/qid=1123400289/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-4159600-3749568?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 ? |
| 07:38.31 | ginipig | trend: you _do_ know that it'll be obsolete the moment you purchase it |
| 07:38.42 | ginipig | trend: or at least, the moment it hits the shelves |
| 07:38.48 | mattfury | trend: idiot |
| 07:38.49 | NEXiUM | How can I put a file who run automatically on startup? |
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| 07:38.55 | mattfury | just use man |
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| 07:39.02 | mattfury | terminal man subject |
| 07:39.11 | trend | heh |
| 07:39.23 | trend | from the customer reviews.. it doesn't sound to appealing |
| 07:39.35 | trend | i do need to get a good base |
| 07:39.44 | liable | wouldnt you want bible 3.1 anyway? |
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| 07:42.11 | Loof | ? |
| 07:42.33 | cat | i wonder why on stored they don't have nothing on debian but they do have suse, fedora bibles and stuff, but not Debian they suck, |
| 07:42.39 | cat | !suck |
| 07:42.39 | dpkg | i heard suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 07:42.53 | cat | !lart dpkg |
| 07:43.03 | cat | !lart apt |
| 07:43.13 | trend | what are some other good books for the medium to advanced linux user? |
| 07:43.20 | trend | i was thinking about picking up agood perl book |
| 07:43.20 | cat | lol the unix manual huge, |
| 07:43.36 | trend | maybe a good bash book (which this seems kinda dumb almost) |
| 07:43.53 | cat | well why wasted you'r money if you can get the pdf. online |
| 07:43.53 | trend | or an awk book or osmething |
| 07:44.02 | trend | hardcopies rock! |
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| 07:44.18 | trend | I can read hardcopied better.. it is a mental thing i know. |
| 07:44.26 | markoff_c | someone point me to a good bash manual online? |
| 07:44.37 | liable | markoff_c: tldp.org |
| 07:44.51 | liable | markoff_c: or /j #bash and read the topic |
| 07:44.53 | trend | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=man+bash ? |
| 07:45.01 | trend | 3rd one down looks good |
| 07:45.15 | trend | or did you want a more user friendly one? |
| 07:45.16 | cat | well my mental problem is that i can't get to worked this damn monitor, on debian |
| 07:45.20 | trend | if you find one.. let me know :) |
| 07:45.25 | markoff_c | trend: a little |
| 07:45.26 | trend | lol |
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| 07:45.35 | cat | damn dell sucks, |
| 07:45.37 | cat | i knew it |
| 07:45.52 | liable | cat: it doesnt work at all when you boot the cd? |
| 07:46.06 | cat | well it does worked but it doesn't worked on the gdm, |
| 07:46.29 | cat | X the monitor is dead, but right now i'm using it, on the terminal, looks pretty damn nice |
| 07:46.37 | liable | cat: oh, x issues? look in your xfree log |
| 07:46.50 | cat | i will in a bit i'm installing debian |
| 07:47.01 | cat | and i will installed a new kernel, and see if that's the issue if not i'm fucked |
| 07:47.54 | liable | cat: well you prolly messed up your x config. |
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| 07:48.30 | nkuttler | cat: /msg dpkg set up x, /msg dpkg faq |
| 07:48.31 | cat | i haven't touched it, i just got the monitor, installed it on my pc, and when i did gdm it didnd't worked |
| 07:48.44 | trend | crap..anyone use ntop? |
| 07:48.46 | liable | !drxx cat |
| 07:48.46 | dpkg | cat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 07:48.52 | ginipig | hi guys, has anyone here found a packaged version of wmii? |
| 07:49.02 | trend | i just apt-get install ntop.. what do I do after that? because i just tried to run it.. and it said.. **FATAL_ERROR** ....open of /var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db failed: File open error |
| 07:49.36 | nkuttler | trend: look at the file, why can't you open it |
| 07:50.30 | liable | trend: iptraf is nice too. |
| 07:50.34 | trend | uhrm.. how? |
| 07:50.41 | cat | well i'm installing debian again at was using windows, to see if the monitor was worked, fined since was a brand new monitor, |
| 07:50.45 | trend | i saw that in my new book too :) |
| 07:50.48 | mwilson | ginipig: The window manager? Not like it's hard to build. |
| 07:51.16 | ginipig | trend: it's probably already running as a daemon |
| 07:51.26 | ginipig | trend: the database is locked whenever ntop is running |
| 07:51.27 | trend | that is what i thought.. but i nmap localhost and didn't see it |
| 07:51.36 | trend | and i ps aux | grep ntop |
| 07:51.38 | trend | and didn't see it |
| 07:52.05 | dondelelcaro | trend: does /var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db exist? can your user read/access it? |
| 07:52.23 | trend | yes it exists |
| 07:52.27 | trend | -rw-r--r-- |
| 07:52.31 | ginipig | dondelelcaro: it's world readable |
| 07:52.32 | trend | and i am root |
| 07:52.39 | trend | so i should be able to access it |
| 07:52.42 | trend | i change to 777 |
| 07:52.46 | trend | just to double check |
| 07:52.49 | dondelelcaro | trend: ok, so run ntop with strace to figure out exactly what it is failing with. |
| 07:52.51 | mattfury | wow that was the weirdest yet |
| 07:53.02 | mattfury | mars bar have there own flash OS |
| 07:53.05 | trend | cool.. how do i do that dondelelcaro ? |
| 07:53.21 | mattfury | .... like weird ... |
| 07:53.28 | mwilson | <snicker> |
| 07:54.17 | ginipig | mwilson: yeah, i was just wondering if it was made available |
| 07:54.25 | ginipig | mwilson: it doesn't appear to hard to build. |
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| 07:57.40 | trend | wow i did strace ntop |
| 07:57.51 | trend | and that stuff looks way to cryptic... |
| 07:58.10 | mattfury | 'cryptic' what is that? |
| 07:58.22 | trend | not sure.. but in my instance it means i figured it out :) |
| 07:58.24 | mattfury | a kind of word to describe someones insecurities? |
| 07:58.35 | trend | well, yes that too |
| 07:58.36 | trend | heh |
| 07:59.06 | mattfury | wow little asian girl with attitude... bitch bitch fucking bitch |
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| 07:59.12 | leminhteo | hiall |
| 07:59.30 | mattfury | ops sorry /whoever/is/mod/ |
| 07:59.31 | leminhteo | i want to config network after install debian |
| 07:59.41 | E|ement | how can i see if Qt is installed? |
| 07:59.41 | leminhteo | pls show me the way |
| 08:00.03 | mattfury | E|ement: should be in the gnome menu |
| 08:00.18 | liable | leminhteo: read man interfaces and /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
| 08:00.40 | trend | wierd.. i had to chmod eveyrthing to 777 in that dir to get it working (when i run things as root) |
| 08:01.08 | leminhteo | i want to config tcp/ip like in windows |
| 08:01.11 | mattfury | "You've just been h4x0r3d, I am 1337!" |
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| 08:01.29 | trend | who me? |
| 08:01.32 | trend | oh no! |
| 08:01.51 | trend | wait i see you, are you 127.0.0.1 ? i see that comp connected to me |
| 08:01.55 | trend | that and loopback |
| 08:02.01 | trend | I will get you! |
| 08:02.06 | cat | lol |
| 08:02.09 | mattfury | nah nah |
| 08:02.10 | cat | are you serious? |
| 08:02.11 | dondelelcaro | must be bad bash quote replay day |
| 08:02.12 | liable | mattfury: stop being a wanker please |
| 08:02.12 | mattfury | even worse: |
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| 08:02.31 | mattfury | "You've been h4x0r3d, this is a windows b0x" |
| 08:02.52 | cat | windows suck a$$ |
| 08:02.52 | mattfury | now thats an insult... |
| 08:03.00 | jim | mattfury is an annoy bot? |
| 08:03.04 | cat | is it? |
| 08:03.08 | mattfury | it? |
| 08:03.10 | jim | not sure yet |
| 08:03.11 | mattfury | im male |
| 08:03.18 | cat | mattfury: owner |
| 08:03.32 | nkuttler | trend: wa |
| 08:03.40 | jim | it's possible it just passed the turing test, but I'm still not sure |
| 08:03.41 | nkuttler | trend: whatever file it was, think about 770 or something |
| 08:03.51 | trend | i tried 770, but that didn't work |
| 08:04.20 | mattfury | "I'm a stupid dickhead I am n00b at q3, d3, and wolfet ... i also use dx9.0c" |
| 08:04.20 | trend | i got ntop started.. but now it is giving me other errors.. and not opening a socket |
| 08:04.35 | jim | leminhteo: just figure out /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 08:04.48 | cat | !ops mattfury is a fucking annoying lame Bot |
| 08:04.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mattfury is a fucking annoying lame Bot |
| 08:05.13 | jim | ifup <interfaceName> and ifdown <interfaceName> to test your setup |
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| 08:05.30 | mattfury | i have an ATi card wondering can i install before the installation? |
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| 08:06.00 | mattfury | uh what'd that just do? |
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| 08:06.04 | jim | mattfury: sure; you will at least have text mode, and so you would be able to configure the card |
| 08:06.21 | mattfury | from the ati site, ... |
| 08:06.24 | jim | which ati? |
| 08:06.27 | stodderen | suddenly i can no longer switch to root, when i do su i get setgid: Operation not permitted, the error might have started after running an apt-get upgrade |
| 08:06.36 | mattfury | jim: ATi Radeon 9250 |
| 08:06.41 | mattfury | (pain in ass!) |
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| 08:06.54 | jim | 9250? hmm, is it like a 9200 in any way? |
| 08:07.10 | Skrot | Hi. Is there a way to make USB-storage devices have a static /dev/device, and have it automount whenever I use it? |
| 08:07.11 | mattfury | jim: just better |
| 08:07.27 | jim | I believe 9200s are supported in recent versions of xfree86 at least |
| 08:07.42 | trend | well.. it has been fun.. but i got toVPN into a server to do some work |
| 08:07.43 | trend | thanks |
| 08:07.46 | trend | later |
| 08:07.50 | mattfury | ATiTool says my max clock speed is 240mhz w/o crash |
| 08:07.57 | trend | anyone currently logged into local, please leave |
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| 08:08.02 | mattfury | 30fps avg |
| 08:08.04 | nkuttler | Skrot: apt-cache search automount, but it probably depends on the order how you plug them in |
| 08:08.20 | mattfury | jim: (thats core speed btw) |
| 08:08.30 | Skrot | nkuttler: right.. thats why it would be cool if it had a default /dev/device :) |
| 08:08.51 | jim | that's good... you'd be able to directly hit most high-end monitors |
| 08:08.57 | mattfury | well ok im about to fuck this windows box off :) |
| 08:09.08 | nkuttler | Skrot: hm, i guess you could script that... but it's not worth the hassle |
| 08:09.21 | cat | annoying freaking b0t |
| 08:09.29 | cat | mattfury: are you gay? |
| 08:09.30 | jim | well, I'm not guaranteeing anything :P I would recommend that you try this thing on a separate machine... |
| 08:09.32 | pingouin | what is fat32 ?! |
| 08:09.35 | pingouin | who need this ?! |
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| 08:09.45 | Skrot | nkuttler: I'm pretty sure its possible to do also, with udev or whatever it's called.. :> |
| 08:09.50 | mattfury | cat: i want / need to lick your asshole ... NO |
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| 08:10.12 | mattfury | pingouin: i am upgrading (at least) from win xp to linux |
| 08:10.18 | mattfury | im sick of xp again .. :P |
| 08:10.23 | pingouin | again ?! |
| 08:10.26 | pingouin | what is XP ? |
| 08:10.30 | jim | had you ever used any unix-alike before? |
| 08:10.38 | pingouin | eXperience when i'm playing role playing game |
| 08:10.39 | mattfury | jim: windows is unix |
| 08:10.45 | mattfury | just like macintosh |
| 08:10.47 | jim | no... |
| 08:10.58 | mattfury | no? |
| 08:10.59 | jim | but macosx is |
| 08:11.12 | mattfury | i dont like mac either :P |
| 08:11.14 | mattfury | just linux |
| 08:11.20 | jim | anything before osx is not unix |
| 08:11.22 | pingouin | is from bsd no, macox ? |
| 08:11.23 | mattfury | (i have tryed other distro's) |
| 08:11.33 | pingouin | dont say mac, now, it's intel/mac ;) |
| 08:11.35 | mattfury | i dont care stop talking to me!!! |
| 08:11.35 | SDFH_Linux | can you have both a 2.6 kernel and 2.4 kernel as a choice to use |
| 08:11.39 | jim | ok, so I guess you've tried it |
| 08:11.41 | mattfury | *BOT OVERLOAD* |
| 08:11.50 | mattfury | *LS x / renders* |
| 08:11.53 | nkuttler | SDFH_Linux: yes |
| 08:12.02 | mattfury | bbl :P |
| 08:12.12 | SDFH_Linux | is one faster than the other? |
| 08:12.19 | nkuttler | SDFH_Linux: try and tell us |
| 08:12.21 | pingouin | thunder from down under |
| 08:12.30 | jim | SDFH_Linux: dunno, but you can have both installed and choose to boot from either |
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| 08:13.20 | cahoot | jim: might infer some annoyancies with alsa |
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| 08:15.22 | delmar | i dunno what im doing guys. can't seem to get my acpi stuff workin. acpi -V just says No support for device type: thermal. |
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| 08:16.22 | douglas | what seems to be the prevailing resolution these days? 1027xwhatever or are the masses starting to migrate up to some real territory |
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| 08:16.45 | torc__ | douglas: 1024x768? |
| 08:16.54 | uwe | um, what is the diffrence between 3.1r0 and 3.1r0a ? |
| 08:16.55 | psychonate | Has anyone checked to see if GAIM's spell-checking support is working for them in testing? Mine doesn't seem to be. |
| 08:17.07 | nkuttler | uwe: at least one fix |
| 08:17.08 | delmar | douglas, i run 1280x1024 here. |
| 08:17.11 | Eclipser | I'd use 1152x864 but I haven't bothered to fix my X config |
| 08:17.17 | psychonate | The option is enabled, and ispell is installed, but I don't see any highlighting of misspelled words |
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| 08:17.21 | douglas | yeah .. my question was more about what res should i aim for when making elite debian-powered porn sites. |
| 08:17.30 | Eclipser | ... |
| 08:17.31 | uwe | so i should download thr 3.1r0a images |
| 08:17.33 | nkuttler | douglas: 800x600 |
| 08:17.43 | douglas | 800x600 that is so depressing |
| 08:17.43 | torc__ | uwe: definitely. |
| 08:17.44 | Eclipser | 320x240 |
| 08:17.50 | douglas | can barely fit a text ad in that ;) |
| 08:17.57 | uwe | ok, thanx all |
| 08:18.01 | nkuttler | douglas: make it that it is nice in 800x600 and more |
| 08:18.08 | nkuttler | douglas: btw, #html or so |
| 08:18.36 | douglas | no man, it's debian powered eliteness, not "programming" related |
| 08:18.37 | leminhteo | what is inetd in server type in httpd.conf |
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| 08:19.15 | Eclipser | douglas, not everything debian powered is elite, such as porn sites |
| 08:19.34 | Eclipser | windows powered porn sites are much more fun to hack |
| 08:19.34 | Guerin | leminhteo: if you don't know, don't fuck with it |
| 08:19.36 | nkuttler | leminhteo: just don't touch the defaults |
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| 08:19.42 | douglas | ok i was just being jovial, it's 4:19am, thought people were a little more relaxed up in here |
| 08:19.46 | Guerin | !inetd |
| 08:19.46 | dpkg | from memory, inetd is the internet super-server, read 'man 8 inetd' for details |
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| 08:20.27 | fhd | hi, I have a strange problem. Whenever I want to shutdown the computer with gdm, it goes back to vterm1 and there is: "[37:2R" at the login prompt. It doesn't actually shutdown ... |
| 08:20.56 | Karnaugh | has anyone else been significantly impressed with fglrx ATI drivers on 2.6.11-K7 ? |
| 08:21.19 | Gumby | what is the latest kernel for sarge? |
| 08:21.21 | jim | douglas: we're mellow... between times we're being flood attacked, trolled, or just plain abused :) |
| 08:21.34 | jim | Gumby: 2.6.8 with patches |
| 08:21.41 | douglas | Jim, you're all right. |
| 08:21.49 | douglas | Keep doin' what you're doin' Jim |
| 08:22.10 | jim | thanks :) I did have some actual fun playin bass last nite |
| 08:22.58 | fhd | no idea anyone? could it be an utf-8 problem? |
| 08:22.58 | douglas | i play bass only because my band already had two guitarists even though i 0wn (with a zero) their asses on six strings... |
| 08:23.14 | Gumby | jim: any idea why there isnt anything more current? |
| 08:23.46 | douglas | i just manned man and it blew my mind |
| 08:23.46 | nkuttler | fhd: unlikely, check the bts |
| 08:23.58 | nkuttler | douglas: nice read |
| 08:23.58 | jim | because sarge is released... now, that's the -official-, -hard- line... note that you -can- install more recent kernel images |
| 08:24.03 | fhd | nkuttler: bts? |
| 08:24.09 | nkuttler | !tell fhd about bts |
| 08:24.29 | jim | and you can build your own kernel too, and get it going gradually while you run your prev working kernel |
| 08:24.41 | Gumby | jim: 2.6.8-2 is all there is for x86 as far as I can see |
| 08:24.48 | Gumby | unless you go to experimental possibly |
| 08:24.57 | jim | Gumby: or to sid or etch |
| 08:26.00 | jim | do you have need to -install- with a later kernel? meaning, you have network, cdrom or hd hardware that isn't supported so you can install? |
| 08:26.29 | liable | Gumby: you can get a kernel image from etch, and it will work fine if you need to have a newer one. |
| 08:26.32 | douglas | someone worked pretty hard on man's man page perhaps thinking, Hey, i bet there'll be a lot of d00dz who will type man man just because they've been awake for too many consecutive days. Why don't I have some fun with this composition. I bet that's what he (or a collorative man man page writing project thought. |
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| 08:27.39 | jim | if 2.6.8 will work for you, then it's going to be easy to install newer images -or- compilers and source so you can build (and package: see kernel-package and make-kpkg) your own kernels |
| 08:27.40 | Gumby | jim: well, I am getting a lot of messages and I think its because of the kernel and also-lib packages |
| 08:27.45 | Gumby | "> > This only happens when you mismatch your kernel and alsa-lib versions, e.g. |
| 08:27.45 | Gumby | > > running alsa-lib-1.0.9-rc2 with alsa-1.0.8 in-kernel drivers, or possibly |
| 08:27.45 | Gumby | > > vice-versa." |
| 08:27.46 | liable | douglas: yes. seems plausable |
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| 08:28.02 | adsifn | Hi All! |
| 08:28.15 | Gumby | Aug 7 01:17:56 localhost kernel: codec_write 1: semaphore is not ready for register 0x54 |
| 08:28.15 | Gumby | Aug 7 01:17:56 localhost kernel: codec_semaphore: semaphore is not ready [0x1][0x300300] |
| 08:28.32 | jim | douglas: so what made you take up bass other than "too many other guitar players"? |
| 08:28.38 | Gumby | that completely floods my tty terminals so I cant use them |
| 08:28.44 | douglas | more likely someone realized that all these numbers between man and the program might not make immediate sense to everybody and it ought to be explained |
| 08:28.51 | nkuttler | jim: less strings, easier |
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| 08:29.01 | adsifn | DEBIAN IS ELEPHANT COCK |
| 08:29.08 | douglas | all the trim the bassist gets, what else? |
| 08:29.23 | Gumby | adsifn: as are trollers |
| 08:29.35 | adsifn | Gumby: I'm not trolling. :) |
| 08:29.41 | adsifn | Gumby: Nice name, BTW. |
| 08:29.42 | Gumby | now that I have said that, I can now safely ignore |
| 08:29.57 | douglas | they needed me to teach them the songs on guitar that they wanted to cover.. i guess i liked feeling needed, or maybe the irony gave me a little kick |
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| 08:30.04 | jim | adsifn: why do you say that? did you recently get hacked by someone on a debian box and found about 3 gallons of white goo all over your face and body? :0 |
| 08:30.30 | adsifn | jim: Eeew, does the goo have to be white? What are you implying? |
| 08:30.31 | psychonate | oh my lol |
| 08:30.34 | liable | ewww, thats a bad mental image.. |
| 08:31.07 | jim | adsifn: I think you're the one who implied it... I just showed you your own image |
| 08:31.21 | adsifn | jim: oh, ok, sorru. |
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| 08:31.56 | jim | anyways, my question still stands: why do you say that? |
| 08:32.02 | adsifn | jim: Anyway, as for me saying that, it's because Woody wasn't very nice quite a while ago! |
| 08:32.41 | jim | oh, ok... that could be. what were you trying to do? |
| 08:33.18 | jim | douglas: like what tunes? |
| 08:33.55 | adsifn | jim: Install! Lovely ncurses interface was nice and all, but...package selection of some sort? Hoho, wasn't too nice at all. Could even locate a M to RTF. |
| 08:34.04 | psychonate | the Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio (onboard) on my secondary box sounds terrible heh |
| 08:34.07 | psychonate | cheap thing |
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| 08:34.49 | psychonate | On the contrary, the onboard C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 on my main box sounds surprisingly good |
| 08:34.49 | jim | oh, yeah... boot-floppies was not very good... just for reference, boot-floppies was also -very- difficult to maintain |
| 08:35.02 | douglas | well with those guys 70s stuff .. stoner music .. led zepp, floyd, allman bros, dead, |
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| 08:35.19 | adsifn | netcraft: do you confirm it? |
| 08:35.25 | psychonate | douglas, Grateful Dead is pretty good |
| 08:35.35 | douglas | i know Nate |
| 08:35.43 | psychonate | I know, you said "dead" |
| 08:35.53 | douglas | i got a bag full of bootlegs |
| 08:35.55 | psychonate | I was merely reinforcing the idea ;) |
| 08:36.13 | psychonate | douglas, well, you're probably more of a fan then than I |
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| 08:36.15 | jim | adsifn: the sarge installer is -much- better, and has wide open potential |
| 08:36.21 | douglas | well on party poker people say nh anytime someone has pocket 2s .. i was keeping it short |
| 08:36.35 | psychonate | oh my |
| 08:36.47 | psychonate | pocket twos is not an nh :( |
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| 08:37.05 | douglas | Generally not, unless there's some crazy ass stuff going down on the board. |
| 08:37.06 | adsifn | jim: Hmm, so you're saying I should try it, as opposed to condemming Debian, because of an old version, for life? |
| 08:37.13 | psychonate | big slick or high pockets is an nh :) |
| 08:37.32 | jim | if it's just the installer holding you back, absolutely. give it a try |
| 08:37.48 | douglas | hmm time to test out partypoker on wine |
| 08:38.35 | psychonate | douglas, I play on pokerroom occasionally because you can use a java applet in your browser to play if you don't want to use the download version under emulation |
| 08:38.58 | psychonate | And I very much dislike emulation myself |
| 08:39.16 | douglas | yeah well .. this time i feel cornered |
| 08:39.23 | douglas | never used wine before |
| 08:39.33 | psychonate | Why not just try the pokerroom java applet then? |
| 08:39.37 | adsifn | jim: ok, thanks! Hopefully this 'Sarge' will be rather nice! |
| 08:39.43 | psychonate | of course, you'll need java |
| 08:39.44 | douglas | argh i hate java! |
| 08:40.05 | psychonate | I don't like java either, but if I have to choose between java and emulation... well, I choose java |
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| 08:40.22 | fhd | nkuttler: cannot find a bug like that |
| 08:40.42 | douglas | why does openoffice have to bug me every install about getting jvm for some additional features.. OO is good enough as it is and should prompt you when the issue comes up |
| 08:40.43 | psychonate | plus, that applet runs very well; I've never had it crash on me |
| 08:40.43 | fhd | nkuttler: whenever this happens (every time I try to shutdown ...) I have to press the return key twice |
| 08:41.00 | ginipig | does anyone here have a custom made statusbar.lua for ion3? |
| 08:41.07 | douglas | java is one big mountain of emulation |
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| 08:41.16 | psychonate | douglas, "every install"... do you install it often? |
| 08:41.34 | douglas | yeah i try to convert people who want me to help them pirate ms word |
| 08:41.40 | psychonate | haha |
| 08:41.45 | psychonate | they can try abiword too |
| 08:41.59 | psychonate | (just a word processor, rather than a whole office suite) |
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| 08:42.19 | psychonate | I hear latex is nice, but I've never used it. |
| 08:42.30 | douglas | it's worth the extra bajillion megs for them to know that it does indeed come with a bunch of junk they'll never .. definitely never use |
| 08:42.47 | psychonate | true |
| 08:42.53 | cahoot | latex isn't nice to use but produces beautiful output |
| 08:43.00 | liable | fhd: so it only happens from gdm? you can issue the command and no problems? |
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| 08:43.21 | douglas | I'll even go in and config the thing to open/save in .doc on default and say hey it can do it, but they just want the real illegal thing |
| 08:43.26 | psychonate | cahoot, well, I haven't had a reason to use it as of yet, but I might try it out sometime |
| 08:43.33 | fhd | nkuttler: yes, shutting down from command line is no problem (both halt and shutdown -h work) |
| 08:43.43 | fhd | nkuttler: did not try kdm yet ... |
| 08:43.45 | cahoot | psychonate: if you do - consider LyX |
| 08:44.00 | psychonate | cahoot, graphical frontend or something? |
| 08:44.07 | cahoot | yes |
| 08:44.08 | douglas | Ideally everybody would use pico, the best editor ever ... |
| 08:44.11 | liable | fhd: try it, if its ok, file a bug for gdm |
| 08:44.32 | ginipig | can anyone recommend a good script to backup / , and later restore it on a different partition? |
| 08:44.36 | adsifn | douglas: oh nono, nano is the way to go o:) |
| 08:44.48 | douglas | Nano's all right if you rename it to pico |
| 08:44.49 | fhd | liable: wops, I was replying to nkuttler the whole time ... |
| 08:44.50 | douglas | i suppose |
| 08:44.57 | psychonate | Wow, the gaim autoprofile plugin looks really, really, really nice |
| 08:45.05 | ginipig | i was thinking about re-partitioning / with mkfs.xfs -l size=64m |
| 08:45.20 | douglas | Autoprofile plugin?!? Where! c'mon apt-get let's go!@!! |
| 08:45.29 | ginipig | adsifn, douglas: it's jed, btw :) |
| 08:45.43 | douglas | Hi :) |
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| 08:46.17 | psychonate | How is XFS? I only really use ext3 |
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| 08:46.22 | adsifn | ginipig: jed? After nano, I edit with 'echo'. :) |
| 08:46.25 | psychonate | tried reiserfs, but didn't see much difference |
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| 08:46.39 | Guerin | psychonate: don't use xfs unless you have redundant power |
| 08:46.47 | psychonate | redundant power? |
| 08:46.51 | douglas | ginipig: i was just in your situationa nd instead of even going on irc to ask if there's a simple easy way to do this (which i'm sure there is) i just found another box lying around, dumped the HD on that box, then got all crazy |
| 08:47.10 | douglas | and copied back |
| 08:47.20 | Guerin | psychonate: if you don't know what that is, you don't have it |
| 08:47.48 | ginipig | adsifn: no no, what I meant to say was: apt-get remove --purge nano |
| 08:47.51 | douglas | it's remarkable how not-that-fast 100mbit/s can feel once you get to your secret pr0n folder... |
| 08:47.52 | naphex | I think there is a bug in package lush, but I am very new to lush. Can a debian lush user help me to confirm the bug? |
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| 08:48.02 | adsifn | ginipig: :o that's so mean |
| 08:48.05 | ginipig | adsifn: :), btw, do you have any syntax-hilighting configs worht sharing? |
| 08:48.18 | fhd | liable: kdm works just fine, I'll file a bug report ... |
| 08:48.34 | ginipig | douglas: :) |
| 08:48.44 | psychonate | Guerin, fair enough heh |
| 08:48.50 | adsifn | ginipig: nope, sorry. echo is write-only...:) |
| 08:48.57 | war- | Psycho_Crk: XFS rules |
| 08:49.00 | douglas | i am actually scotch-taping my right eye closed now to give it a break and heal a bit, and later trade eyes... |
| 08:49.04 | war- | Psycho_Crk: I use XFS on 3TB of disks |
| 08:49.06 | war- | brb |
| 08:49.12 | douglas | and continue that until i break my computer addiction |
| 08:49.24 | ginipig | douglas: holy cow, that's extreme |
| 08:49.24 | Guerin | i bet his 3TB of disks has redundant power |
| 08:49.39 | liable | and crack addiction? |
| 08:49.39 | ginipig | douglas: how about shutting both eyes for a brief amount of time; saves the bloodshed. |
| 08:49.52 | douglas | hmm |
| 08:49.56 | Guerin | ginipig: yeah. Minimum one in 6 hours |
| 08:50.02 | douglas | i think you may have something there |
| 08:50.09 | Guerin | or maybe 10 minutes of every hour |
| 08:50.24 | Guerin | i don't know if 1 minute in 6 would do it, though |
| 08:50.38 | ginipig | how about 1 in every 6 seconds |
| 08:50.52 | ginipig | or, blink for a microsecond longer |
| 08:51.02 | Guerin | not much good, i'm afraid |
| 08:51.02 | douglas | it would get boring after a few hours 'cause i'm all manic and won't sleep .. actually no i'll have a good dark backdrop of my eyelids for my mind to project some trippy stuff onto |
| 08:51.08 | noerrors | is there a problem with the new libc6 and nvidia-kernel? |
| 08:51.15 | Guerin | noerrors: you tell us |
| 08:51.31 | noerrors | hehe.. i changed to much trying to narrow it down |
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| 08:51.37 | douglas | parenthetically, scotch tape is not that bad for chewing purposes |
| 08:51.41 | noerrors | its either libc6 or 2.6.13-rc5 |
| 08:51.55 | Guerin | noerrors: use a debian kernel and get back to us |
| 08:52.05 | noerrors | cant do that |
| 08:52.09 | Guerin | yes, you can |
| 08:52.28 | douglas | but there's such a stigma in society on people who surreptitiously reach for a bit of scotch tape and lead it into their mouth as if it were a nose bugar |
| 08:52.39 | noerrors | no, my kernel has to support a bunch of dvb stuff from cvs |
| 08:52.47 | douglas | it's not, it's tape. Scotch tape. |
| 08:52.53 | psychonate | douglas, I prefer the term "nose goblin" myself |
| 08:52.55 | Guerin | noerrors: for testing purposes, you can use a debian kernel |
| 08:53.00 | noerrors | rc4 was working |
| 08:53.05 | ginipig | douglas: yeah, that crack comment above seems applicable now |
| 08:53.13 | psychonate | douglas, or "nostril raiders" |
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| 08:53.23 | douglas | ginipig: :) |
| 08:54.03 | noerrors | ill let you know as soon as i get xorg build again |
| 08:54.20 | Guerin | wtf |
| 08:54.31 | douglas | this is interesting.. we got one guy, psychonate and another, me, shooting the shit about nose bugar eating, meanwhile one guy has "psycho" in his nick and the other is actually psychotic. |
| 08:54.40 | Guerin | noerrors: don't bother, it sounds like you're running very little actual debian, and what you ARE running is sid |
| 08:54.57 | ginipig | douglas: ahha |
| 08:55.00 | Guerin | you're officially supposed to be able to Sort This Shit Out Yourself |
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| 08:55.14 | psychonate | douglas, such is the way of I R C |
| 08:55.24 | noerrors | well, i use the debian sources |
| 08:55.27 | ginipig | stsoy |
| 08:55.29 | adsifn | gungnir: hey, 'node in melb! |
| 08:55.43 | jim | I guess that depends on the net... for example, this ain't efnet :P |
| 08:55.45 | ginipig | a suitable replacement for rtfm |
| 08:55.49 | douglas | am i gonna lose a few lashes when i rip off this tape, gini? could you test that out for me? |
| 08:55.59 | stodderen | would anybody know of a way to restore the correct owner of the system files? ive made a chown x:x / -R by accident |
| 08:56.15 | psychonate | oh.. |
| 08:56.19 | ginipig | douglas: only mascara |
| 08:56.22 | psychonate | that's quite an accident |
| 08:56.31 | jim | stodderen: you got a lotta sork ahead of you :) |
| 08:56.31 | douglas | heh |
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| 08:56.36 | jim | work |
| 08:56.41 | saloxin | stodderen: i believe you are truly fucked. reinstall? |
| 08:56.52 | douglas | btw isn't that animal spelled much differently |
| 08:56.57 | noerrors | but if anyone who is here using an nvidia kernel on sid and decided to update.. and then the nvidia kernel no longer works.. i would like to know |
| 08:57.06 | stodderen | hehe, ok, reinstall it is then :( |
| 08:57.09 | psychonate | douglas, like guinea pig or something |
| 08:57.41 | ginipig | yeah, but guinea can be tough, some times. |
| 08:57.43 | douglas | Two lashes. Lost two. Those are acceptable losses |
| 08:58.07 | psychonate | douglas, NONSENSE! Leave no man behind! |
| 08:58.57 | douglas | whoever the guy was who was in charge of figuring out a way everyone should spell that word.. he had some agenda |
| 08:59.15 | douglas | nate my man.. forget it i am not going to start shaving things |
| 08:59.28 | douglas | or waxing with scotch tape |
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| 08:59.52 | psychonate | I'm not really sure how effective that is anyhow |
| 09:00.11 | ginipig | what, waxing? |
| 09:00.12 | douglas | no, and it's a waste of good scotch tape on which to chew |
| 09:00.29 | douglas | i ain't chewing no hairy tape |
| 09:00.31 | psychonate | scotch tape != gum |
| 09:00.36 | noerrors | I think the new libc6 went into etch too |
| 09:00.43 | douglas | one man's scotch tape is another .... |
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| 09:00.51 | valdyn | !info libc6 etch |
| 09:00.54 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (etch), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 09:00.57 | naddar | anyone know the command how to connect a network map? |
| 09:01.03 | noerrors | nope ok |
| 09:01.09 | noerrors | thanks |
| 09:01.23 | psychonate | valdyn, neato trigger or whatever there |
| 09:01.56 | douglas | naddar: the real question is, could someone come up with some script to make a virtual mount/map via only ftp |
| 09:02.03 | douglas | that would be elite. |
| 09:02.09 | noerrors | but it sucks cause i cant try to build nvidia-glx against the new libs |
| 09:02.30 | noerrors | damn nvidia |
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| 09:02.51 | valdyn | noerrors: it builds fine against the new libc6 and nvidia-settings even requries it to be built iirc |
| 09:02.52 | ginipig | it's been fun, fellas. Gotta catch some z's. |
| 09:02.54 | ginipig | nite all :) |
| 09:02.58 | douglas | why do the nvidia people dislike us |
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| 09:03.07 | douglas | 'night G |
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| 09:03.13 | noerrors | how is that valdyn, the debian source is just a bunch of binaries |
| 09:03.26 | noerrors | nvidia aint open source |
| 09:03.49 | AceSmythe | their drivers are |
| 09:03.54 | noerrors | since when |
| 09:04.03 | AceSmythe | since always |
| 09:04.05 | noerrors | just the kernel module |
| 09:04.08 | cahoot | no |
| 09:04.20 | douglas | if someone could just show one nvidia higher-up the wonders of apt-get, this cold war could end |
| 09:04.26 | psychonate | douglas, if the nvidia people dislike us, the ATI people *despise* us |
| 09:04.28 | cahoot | AceSmythe: never been |
| 09:04.37 | AceSmythe | ok, whatever |
| 09:04.43 | noerrors | im talking about the glx |
| 09:04.47 | douglas | well the embedded in the motherboard people seem okay with us |
| 09:05.01 | psychonate | those people don't have any ambition though |
| 09:05.07 | douglas | True. |
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| 09:05.17 | douglas | give and take |
| 09:05.31 | douglas | nate that's a perfect characterization |
| 09:05.38 | psychonate | I'm okay with the nvidia people though |
| 09:05.56 | noerrors | well, 2.6.13-rc5 has some agp updates.. now that i read the changelog.. i have a feeling that could be it too |
| 09:06.07 | noerrors | maybe ill try to disable the internal agp support and try agpgart |
| 09:06.17 | psychonate | douglas, what, you mean our examination of the video card caste? |
| 09:06.26 | douglas | i don't like knowing that people have ten times as much video ram as i once did hd space back in the day |
| 09:06.41 | psychonate | ha |
| 09:07.04 | noerrors | never update more than one thing at a time |
| 09:07.19 | noerrors | i just dont use X enought o notice |
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| 09:08.16 | douglas | word, no errors, consoles/terminals rule. |
| 09:08.28 | AceSmythe | what's a gug? |
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| 09:08.40 | liable | thats a classy quit message, not. |
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| 09:09.11 | douglas | gug=gimp user group? |
| 09:09.20 | AceSmythe | haha |
| 09:09.46 | AceSmythe | from that sentance, i can derive, from context, that a "gug" is perhaps a ballsack of some kind |
| 09:10.13 | douglas | that's the first time ever over my ircing years that i've seen someone start a conversation in response to a client quit message |
| 09:10.26 | psychonate | haha |
| 09:10.29 | douglas | which is meaningful because i try to make mine interesting now and then |
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| 09:10.32 | noerrors | so.. you guys gonna follow what ubuntu is up to and separate all the xorg drivers into different packages? |
| 09:10.40 | douglas | nice to know someone cares |
| 09:10.41 | Guerin | shouldn't bee too hard, considering anyone saying that must have a penis no larger than 2 3/4 inches |
| 09:10.57 | psychonate | Guerin, now, you're being generous |
| 09:11.04 | psychonate | 1.5-ish? |
| 09:11.13 | noerrors | its crazy.. there are like 100 xorg packages in breezy |
| 09:11.18 | douglas | i didn't see gug in the context you were asking about ace .. otherwise i wouldn't have googled it for you |
| 09:11.23 | Guerin | psychonate: 'no larger than' |
| 09:11.30 | douglas | well actually mmaybe i would |
| 09:11.32 | psychonate | ah, got me on the technicality |
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| 09:11.47 | douglas | what is it... further analysis until the adderall wears off! |
| 09:11.50 | liable | crus: so, whats a gug? |
| 09:11.51 | Guerin | noerrors: you're running breezy? |
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| 09:12.02 | noerrors | i have like 10 test boxes sitting here |
| 09:12.12 | Guerin | noerrors: hah |
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| 09:12.15 | psychonate | crus, DIE! |
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| 09:12.36 | noerrors | they separated like every video card into a different xorg package |
| 09:12.39 | crus | sorry? |
| 09:12.44 | Guerin | noerrors: god, really |
| 09:12.45 | noerrors | but the dumb thing is that they require you to install all of them |
| 09:13.00 | douglas | i'm coming up dry with google on this gug matter, everything's related to gnu |
| 09:13.01 | psychonate | crus, if you're sorry, then deep throat me down to my... gug. |
| 09:13.01 | Guerin | noerrors: like the old xfree 3.3? |
| 09:13.06 | noerrors | yah |
| 09:13.15 | noerrors | but worse |
| 09:13.21 | crus | what are you on about psychonate? |
| 09:13.33 | psychonate | crus, the GUG |
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| 09:13.44 | Guerin | noerrors: i'd love to see the rationale behind that one |
| 09:13.46 | psychonate | that mythical word of perverse implications |
| 09:13.48 | liable | crus: considor changing your quit message |
| 09:13.53 | crus | haha |
| 09:13.55 | psychonate | crus, basically, wtf is a "gug"? |
| 09:14.06 | crus | if you dont know psychonate you need to get out more. |
| 09:14.07 | noerrors | i just hope debian doesnt do that |
| 09:14.11 | psychonate | crus, your quit message has left us baffled |
| 09:14.15 | Guerin | liable: considor learning 2 spel |
| 09:14.17 | douglas | man i better not forget to reset the browser memory after this gug searching, trying to find how it might be sexual |
| 09:14.28 | crus | psychonate: bad luck |
| 09:14.39 | psychonate | time to consult the urban dictionary it seems |
| 09:14.39 | Guerin | psychonate: no, it's left YOU baffled |
| 09:14.48 | Guerin | there are those of us who don't care |
| 09:15.05 | liable | Guerin: considor blowing me :P |
| 09:15.08 | douglas | seppuku .. now that i know |
| 09:15.23 | douglas | sounds so much like bukkake, an equally respected japanese tradition |
| 09:15.36 | Guerin | liable: consider sending me your penis by fedex, and I'll considor it |
| 09:16.02 | douglas | i remember reading some website tutorial about seppuku by frisbee |
| 09:16.02 | liable | Guerin: i will considor that. |
| 09:16.14 | psychonate | crus, I can only guess that, from the context in which "gug" was used, that it pertains to definition #4 in the urban dictionary |
| 09:16.14 | douglas | very inspiring |
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| 09:16.37 | crus | psychonate: im still not caring, LOL |
| 09:16.45 | Guerin | stupid firefox |
| 09:17.00 | Guerin | trying to download and display a 30MB mbox file just because it's plain text |
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| 09:17.11 | Guerin | instead of offering to save it |
| 09:17.23 | noerrors | hah |
| 09:17.38 | psychonate | crus, that matters not. Anyway, I've never heard that word. We in the States call that area a "gooch" |
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| 09:17.54 | psychonate | You Aussies are so esoteric |
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| 09:18.03 | AceSmythe | doug: [02:07:51] * crus (~CrusadeR@CPE-147-10-158-21.nsw.bigpond.net.au) Quit ("-12:36:10- (@mN|bst`) i wont even consider a relationship unless i find a bitch that can deepthroat me down to my gug") |
| 09:18.03 | foureyes779 | a gooch ? |
| 09:18.05 | douglas | All right well let's think about it from the actual context.. a girl could not go further, not even synecdochically, than the pelvic bone, .. |
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| 09:18.22 | Guerin | ffs |
| 09:18.27 | Guerin | just fucking drop it |
| 09:18.31 | douglas | thanks ace yes let's all think about this from a debian perspec |
| 09:18.33 | AceSmythe | i just came back |
| 09:18.34 | Guerin | douglas: go and take your fucking meds already |
| 09:18.37 | douglas | ok guerin's the boss |
| 09:18.42 | douglas | Guerin: on it |
| 09:18.45 | AceSmythe | doug? |
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| 09:18.50 | AceSmythe | what about debian |
| 09:18.51 | AceSmythe | ? |
| 09:18.52 | foureyes779 | drop what ? |
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| 09:19.09 | prog | hello *, how it is with UTF8 in MySQL ? |
| 09:19.23 | douglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.23 | Guerin | psychonate: it's not, as i understand |
| 09:19.26 | psychonate | crus, you will now be the channel's official and foremost expert on the perverse Aussie slang. Congratulations ;) |
| 09:19.28 | Guerin | prog: ^^^ |
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| 09:19.35 | noerrors | UTF8=bad |
| 09:19.37 | douglas | if you're gonna /me, put a space before the slash |
| 09:19.39 | Guerin | prog: oh come off it |
| 09:19.40 | Guerin | no |
| 09:19.45 | Guerin | utf8==great |
| 09:19.50 | Guerin | postgre supports it |
| 09:20.01 | prog | yes, but my customer needs mysql :-( |
| 09:20.04 | keikoz | ? |
| 09:20.14 | Guerin | prog: so you get to choose something that's not utf-8 |
| 09:20.35 | prog | hmm, can you advice what Guerin ? |
| 09:20.48 | Guerin | or you could just install postgre, and pretend it's my |
| 09:20.51 | AceSmythe | psy: crus inst here |
| 09:20.56 | AceSmythe | hence the quit message |
| 09:20.57 | douglas | Guerin: postfix or qmail? |
| 09:21.04 | AceSmythe | unless i'm not paying attn |
| 09:21.14 | Guerin | douglas: qmail < * |
| 09:21.23 | Guerin | and yes, I mean < |
| 09:21.59 | prog | guerin: yes, i have rather postgresql but he will have access to that server... :-( I will build deb package by myself with utf8 option on. |
| 09:22.16 | douglas | Ok.. and i take it you feel similar about postgresql |
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| 09:22.35 | crus | lol |
| 09:22.44 | psychonate | oh, getting sleepy |
| 09:23.04 | douglas | psycho nate ... sounds like someone isn't as psychotic as his nick implies..... |
| 09:23.15 | Guerin | prog: um, it's not just the debian package which doesn't do utf-8 - as i understand it, mysql 4.x doesn't support it |
| 09:23.29 | Guerin | psychonate: douglas: get a fucking room |
| 09:23.29 | douglas | snap out of it, sun aint even up |
| 09:23.52 | prog | guerin, i think yes...mysql has option for adding utf8 support in configure script |
| 09:24.05 | Guerin | prog: oh, it does... |
| 09:24.51 | Guerin | prog: have you checked whether the debian package was built with that? it probably was, unless that disables something else more important |
| 09:25.21 | prog | guerin, how can I check it ? |
| 09:25.54 | douglas | Guerin: is there a way to get an rss feed of program transitions from testing and down? |
| 09:25.56 | prog | guerin, i have checked with "create database aaa with default charset utf8" and it didn`t work |
| 09:26.18 | Guerin | prog: download the source and look at the makefile |
| 09:26.24 | Guerin | the debian source, i mean |
| 09:26.28 | prog | guerin, ok, thanks |
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| 09:26.47 | Guerin | douglas: no, but it'd be trivial to do a dump of the web page on cron |
| 09:27.07 | Guerin | douglas: you mean from unstable and down |
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| 09:27.23 | Guerin | because nothing propagates from testing to anywhere |
| 09:27.24 | douglas | you always know what i mean but can't figure out exactly how to say |
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| 09:30.06 | noerrors | oh great |
| 09:30.16 | noerrors | the new linux headers break xorg |
| 09:30.30 | noerrors | this is not my day |
| 09:30.39 | psychonate | noerrors, such is the price of living on the edge heh |
| 09:30.50 | noerrors | ./usr/include/linux/joystick.h:142:2: #error Unexpected BITS_PER_LONG |
| 09:31.07 | noerrors | damn joystick |
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| 09:33.47 | noerrors | you guys dont upgrade the kernel headers for like 2 years then all of the sudden its 2 times in one month |
| 09:34.35 | SimonRaven | we're not the poeple to bitch at |
| 09:34.38 | liable | noerrors: winge to the devel mailing list |
| 09:34.40 | SimonRaven | people even |
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| 09:35.01 | SimonRaven | this isn't #bitchaboutthekernel |
| 09:35.12 | noerrors | its not the kernel |
| 09:35.16 | noerrors | its the userspace |
| 09:35.23 | douglas | SimonRaven: it's #debian |
| 09:35.27 | douglas | you know that |
| 09:35.34 | SimonRaven | no kidding |
| 09:35.41 | douglas | :) |
| 09:35.57 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 09:36.22 | noerrors | no wonder there hasnt been an xorg update |
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| 09:36.31 | noerrors | cause it dont build lol |
| 09:36.38 | douglas | did i make you smile just a little? not easy to do that on you and i always wanted... i've given up on guerin and cafuego |
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| 09:36.42 | valdyn | noerrors: xorg builds fine against debians linux-headers. |
| 09:36.46 | SimonRaven | the name douglas always reminds me of trees. |
| 09:36.49 | noerrors | no it dont |
| 09:36.54 | DouglasNetchurch | Simon: How's that? |
| 09:36.56 | SimonRaven | douglas: me? yes |
| 09:37.00 | douglas | happy trees? |
| 09:37.08 | douglas | oh there's a douglas tree |
| 09:37.12 | SimonRaven | douglas fir |
| 09:37.26 | douglas | it's not douglass is it.. i hate that alternate spelling |
| 09:37.26 | noerrors | linux-kernel-headers 2.6.13+0rc3-1 |
| 09:37.29 | AceSmythe | haah |
| 09:37.38 | SimonRaven | afaik it's one s |
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| 09:38.21 | douglas | i've been using doug my whole life, but on a whim i've been testing out Douglas.. so far inconclusive results |
| 09:38.29 | douglas | i dont mean irc nick |
| 09:38.44 | SimonRaven | yeh. change of name is difficult at times |
| 09:38.59 | SimonRaven | and i don't mean irc either =) |
| 09:39.04 | douglas | does it command more venerability? |
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| 09:39.10 | douglas | General MacArthur Doug ... |
| 09:39.22 | douglas | yeah this douglas thing might work |
| 09:39.34 | douglas | just need to find out if that guy got a lot of ass |
| 09:39.35 | drac | noerrors: I've build 6.9 RC 0 on Unstable with GCC 4 and 2.6.13-rc5 so i'd say it builds. Maybe this helps you, http://hdr.unk.fi/~drac/Install_Xorg_CVS.txt |
| 09:39.38 | SimonRaven | *shrug*. i go by what i'm comfortable with as a name. |
| 09:39.54 | noerrors | but thats 6.9 |
| 09:40.02 | noerrors | im using debians sources |
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| 09:40.38 | douglas | less than one out of ten people know what to call a ~ symbol |
| 09:40.42 | SimonRaven | 6.9 x.org? oi, that must be the last of the pre-modular tree stuff, or are they doing that in that series? |
| 09:40.46 | SimonRaven | tilde |
| 09:40.59 | douglas | ok that's one out of 749.. |
| 09:41.01 | noerrors | i could just do linux from scratch if I did that |
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| 09:41.11 | ankon | SimonRaven, the first modular is 7.0rc0 |
| 09:41.18 | SimonRaven | channel full of geeks, many more will know |
| 09:41.22 | adsadsad | how cani reboot? |
| 09:41.23 | SimonRaven | ok, thanks |
| 09:41.43 | douglas | True, don't let the pollsters mislead you |
| 09:41.45 | ankon | which i'm currently building on debian. |
| 09:41.47 | SimonRaven | adsadsad: with 'reboot' or 'shutdown -r now' |
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| 09:42.00 | SimonRaven | man 'em both |
| 09:42.08 | noerrors | debians sources no worky |
| 09:42.09 | douglas | you dont even need -r, just type, and with authority too, shutdown now |
| 09:42.12 | douglas | it feels good |
| 09:42.22 | adsadsad | where i find this files in /bin i can't find them |
| 09:43.02 | SimonRaven | they aren't in /bin |
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| 09:44.26 | izzypl | hey |
| 09:44.28 | izzypl | ;) |
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| 09:44.45 | golgotha | im using a backport of mysql 4.1 and doing a dist-upgrade to sarge, the process wants to uninstall mysql |
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| 09:45.12 | izzypl | i have a little problem ;) |
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| 09:45.15 | liable | golgotha: try a plain upgrade |
| 09:45.21 | valdyn | !tell golgotha about woody->sarge |
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| 09:45.32 | golgotha | thanks |
| 09:45.45 | izzypl | :) |
| 09:45.55 | liable | ooh, missed that vital info. |
| 09:46.12 | TBBle | Hmm. I see they removed the "we're gonna restart xdm unless you say no" question in libc6... |
| 09:46.15 | Eclipser | hmmmm |
| 09:46.16 | liable | izzypl: well, we cant read minds, so ask.. |
| 09:46.24 | izzypl | so |
| 09:46.32 | Eclipser | where have I heard "gorgotha" before..... |
| 09:46.40 | izzypl | i want to port anaconda from progeny to slackware |
| 09:46.51 | ankon | greek mythology? bible? :) |
| 09:47.06 | izzypl | and i must to download circa 100 packet from debian |
| 09:47.14 | Eclipser | or perhaps neverwinter nights... |
| 09:47.19 | izzypl | i have a list packet |
| 09:47.23 | Eclipser | yes, that's it |
| 09:47.28 | Eclipser | a gold dragon in NWN |
| 09:47.36 | Eclipser | erm |
| 09:47.38 | Eclipser | green even |
| 09:47.47 | Eclipser | or gold, can't remember |
| 09:47.50 | izzypl | and im don't know how make auto download by the apt-get |
| 09:48.02 | izzypl | without checking depency |
| 09:48.05 | izzypl | ;) |
| 09:48.16 | Guerin | drac: wtf are you on about? |
| 09:48.20 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:48.37 | liable | izzypl: if you just want the package without deps, go to debian.org and download it. |
| 09:48.44 | Guerin | well, at least douglas has fucked off |
| 09:48.56 | drac | Guerin: D'oh ? |
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| 09:49.21 | Guerin | drac: that last was for douglas |
| 09:49.28 | izzypl | liable, the packages live in directories ;D |
| 09:49.30 | drac | Ah ok :) |
| 09:49.33 | Guerin | but i see he's gone to plug back into his crack machine |
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| 09:49.44 | liable | izzypl: ?? |
| 09:50.07 | izzypl | i have a list where is package.deb and next line and anotgerpackage.deb |
| 09:50.34 | izzypl | so i must get the localisation from apt-get |
| 09:50.36 | izzypl | ;( |
| 09:51.08 | TBBle | Anyway, does anyone have a statically-linked tar handy? |
| 09:51.14 | jim | well, progeny isn't debian and slackware isn't debian... and slackware, being your target, doesn't even have dependency checking at all... |
| 09:51.16 | liable | izzypl: um, try #debian.pl |
| 09:51.26 | izzypl | ;) |
| 09:51.57 | jim | it's going to be unusually hard to support |
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| 09:52.16 | izzypl | hmm Users on #debian.pl: izzypl @Lamagra |
| 09:52.19 | izzypl | ;) |
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| 09:52.33 | Eclipser | :) |
| 09:52.45 | jim | I'd say, do what is usually done: read the build instructions, which should tell you the build requirements... satisfy the build requirements, and build |
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| 09:53.12 | izzypl | i have compiled anaconda ;) |
| 09:53.20 | izzypl | but |
| 09:53.22 | jim | then what's the problem? |
| 09:53.31 | izzypl | anaconda want |
| 09:53.39 | izzypl | packages from debian |
| 09:54.00 | jim | is anaconda a debian-specific thing? |
| 09:54.02 | izzypl | im want to test with blanck config from debian |
| 09:54.18 | jim | !anaconda |
| 09:54.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, anaconda is redhat's new installations system, it's GPLed and may come to other distros hopefully it has gtk+ and text based interface, or being ported to Debian by progeny |
| 09:54.37 | izzypl | yes |
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| 09:54.43 | izzypl | ;) |
| 09:54.49 | jim | it's -redhat-'s installer |
| 09:55.11 | jim | why would that want debian packages? :) |
| 09:55.52 | izzypl | progeny ported to debian anaconda ;) |
| 09:55.59 | izzypl | and now anaconda |
| 09:56.06 | izzypl | use apt system |
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| 09:56.48 | jim | slackware would require real package management for this to work in any way for slackware |
| 09:56.54 | jim | and that is a BIG CHANGE |
| 09:57.08 | Guerin | anaconda has nothing to do with package management |
| 09:57.24 | izzypl | ;) |
| 09:57.33 | jim | does it not install packages? |
| 09:57.37 | Guerin | and it's inferior to debian-installer anyway |
| 09:57.48 | Guerin | jim: it uses other programs to install packages |
| 09:58.01 | jim | I see |
| 09:58.09 | izzypl | jim anaconda uses modules in python |
| 09:58.10 | izzypl | so |
| 09:58.21 | jim | so at -best- he has a long road ahead |
| 09:58.22 | izzypl | it's possible |
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| 09:58.33 | Guerin | why? |
| 09:58.42 | Guerin | progeny uses debian packages and anaconda |
| 09:58.48 | Yevgeniy | hmm |
| 09:58.52 | Guerin | he could just steal their config and so on |
| 09:59.22 | izzypl | :) |
| 09:59.28 | izzypl | people |
| 09:59.30 | izzypl | :) |
| 09:59.36 | izzypl | im have anaconda |
| 09:59.36 | Yevgeniy | why do all new versions of software is automatically put in "unstable" |
| 09:59.38 | jim | there's a hell of a lot of different reasons why he has a long road ahead |
| 09:59.48 | izzypl | i have sample config from progeny |
| 09:59.50 | deadcat | Yevgeniy: thats how it works |
| 10:00.03 | jim | Yevgeniy: because they have not proven themselves in the -system- of packages |
| 10:00.08 | izzypl | and i haven't packages |
| 10:00.09 | izzypl | ;( |
| 10:00.14 | Yevgeniy | even if it's security patch/database update |
| 10:00.15 | deadcat | !tell izzypl about enter |
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| 10:00.37 | Guerin | Yevgeniy: new code breaks stuff. stuff that's liable to break goes into unstable. |
| 10:00.42 | deadcat | Yevgeniy: no. those are new. if its security update. they go to security.d.o |
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| 10:00.50 | WindowsUninstall | I can't install gnome.... |
| 10:00.53 | Guerin | deadcat: oonly for stable |
| 10:01.06 | Guerin | WindowsUninstall: that's a blessing |
| 10:01.09 | deadcat | WindowsUninstall: what branch? |
| 10:01.14 | WindowsUninstall | sid |
| 10:01.15 | deadcat | Guerin: (= |
| 10:01.18 | Yevgeniy | i see |
| 10:01.19 | Yevgeniy | thanks |
| 10:01.27 | deadcat | WindowsUninstall: thats what you get. just wait few days |
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| 10:01.30 | wers | i just removed my ntfs partition on hdb and created one big ext3 with fdisk..... how do i make the filesystem or "format" the disk? |
| 10:01.39 | ankon | newfs.ext3 |
| 10:01.42 | deadcat | wers: mkfs.ext3 |
| 10:01.44 | ankon | err. mkfs. |
| 10:01.54 | jim | look at the debian developer documentation, packaging manual and policy documents for more on all of that |
| 10:02.03 | wers | deadcat THNX |
| 10:02.32 | deadcat | cool. new apt and libc6 |
| 10:02.32 | izzypl | ok im try |
| 10:02.48 | emurz | Does anyone know what package includes the net::dict for perl in debian? I cannot find it |
| 10:03.01 | deadcat | emurz: apt-cache search dict perl |
| 10:03.25 | E|ement | how to install qt version 3.x on debian linux?is in debian packages qt 3.x? |
| 10:03.28 | noerrors | heh new libc6.. good luck |
| 10:03.35 | jim | maybe it's libperl-net-dict? |
| 10:03.46 | deadcat | E|ement: apt-cache show gt<blah> |
| 10:03.57 | noerrors | building rc4 now.. will let you know if nvidia is fixed.. |
| 10:04.53 | noerrors | i kinda doubt it.. but maybe |
| 10:05.13 | emurz | deadcat: thanks, but I already know this, I cannot find it =/ |
| 10:05.32 | WindowsUninstall | deadcat, And I can't install udev because depend from linux 2.6.12 but linux 2.6.12 is'nt avaible. |
| 10:05.49 | TBBle | Ah, victory! ldconfig seemed to prefer libpthread-0.10.so.dpkg-tmp over libpthread-0.10.so for libpthread.so, but happily chose libc.so.2.3.5. >_< |
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| 10:06.14 | deadcat | WindowsUninstall: then wait. |
| 10:08.44 | noerrors | anyone know if udev causes problems with nvidia-kernel? |
| 10:09.00 | WindowsUninstall | deadcat, :( |
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| 10:09.08 | WindowsUninstall | noerrors, no |
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| 10:09.24 | noerrors | yah i didnt think that was it |
| 10:09.30 | noerrors | tnx |
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| 10:10.21 | noerrors | even though hal is totally busted now too |
| 10:11.16 | noerrors | i just love it when everything breaks at once |
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| 10:13.06 | cn | what prog can i use to paste an alt stamp image? |
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| 10:14.51 | timo_ | i can't get my audigy2 sound card to work, or load as module.. it always tries to use the integrated via sound chipset, and i solved this issue when i used sarge, but this is a clean install on the same machine (netinst), i remembered there is some kind of, ncurses based i think, tools for doing this |
| 10:15.19 | liable | modconf |
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| 10:15.30 | noerrors | err alsaconf |
| 10:15.57 | Langly1 | Will the TV out on a radeon 7000 card work properly in debian, remember somehting about only radeon 8500 and higher being supported somewhere |
| 10:16.16 | Nate75Sanders | have package dependencies been sort of screwy (unstable) for say...a month? or am I doing something fundamentally wrong? |
| 10:16.24 | Nate75Sanders | and where can i keep up to date on these types of issues? |
| 10:16.37 | noerrors | Nate75Sanders, yes, the deps are very messed up |
| 10:16.40 | Nate75Sanders | ok, thanks |
| 10:16.48 | jim | Langly1: you have your answer then... look for where you read that and read closer/finer |
| 10:16.55 | TBBle | Nate75Sanders: Debian-devel-announce mailing list, a little bit due to g++ transition, and possibly. (Not in that order) |
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| 10:17.20 | Langly1 | jim that was like a year ago and have no idea, might have just been ahrdware accel |
| 10:17.21 | Nate75Sanders | right, i'm thinking xfree86->xorg has screwed this up some, too? |
| 10:17.36 | Nate75Sanders | had some problems 2 weeks ago, but i think i have them sorted out |
| 10:17.39 | noerrors | Nate75Sanders, what are you trying to build |
| 10:17.42 | TBBle | Nah, not really. That was really smooth, barring an interesting libglu g++ transition thing. |
| 10:17.44 | pusling | hmm... I can't figure out why an upgrade of apt will remove apt-file ? (sid) |
| 10:17.45 | jim | Langly1: what does google say? what does ati.com say? |
| 10:17.46 | Nate75Sanders | not trying to build anything |
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| 10:17.56 | Nate75Sanders | just installing packages and having problems nearly everywhere |
| 10:17.57 | TBBle | There was a _problem_ with gcc4 and xorg, but that wasn't a dependancy issue. |
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| 10:18.15 | andred | i've installed sid with alioth-kde3.4.1 and get many dependency problems now: http://rafb.net/paste/results/eSDqkq60.html, can anybody help or is that a general problem? |
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| 10:18.20 | TBBle | pusling: g++ transition, and apt-file hasn't been rebuilt yet. |
| 10:18.23 | Nate75Sanders | vlc and mplayer both require library packages that don't exist |
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| 10:18.29 | liable | !sid faq |
| 10:18.29 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 10:18.31 | pusling | TBBle: ahh.. okay |
| 10:18.32 | Nate75Sanders | but the "n+0.1" version does exist |
| 10:18.35 | mike-m | andred: sid is a BAD idea |
| 10:18.46 | pusling | andred: I have it too |
| 10:18.53 | Nate75Sanders | but of course dependencies don't realize they should just try to use that or whatever |
| 10:18.54 | TBBle | Nate75Sanders: Your mplayer and vlc builds are out of date then. |
| 10:18.56 | pusling | mike-m: sid rocks ;) |
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| 10:19.11 | andred | mike-m: so it's not my fault? |
| 10:19.14 | jim | andred: check the BTS first |
| 10:19.15 | mike-m | andred: I installed kde 3.4.1 taked out from alioth with testing (and sid however to get it work) it turns, no problem currently |
| 10:19.21 | Nate75Sanders | TBB: hmm, can you tell me where a nice sources.list file is? |
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| 10:19.31 | pusling | mike-m: can you install kde devel packages ? |
| 10:19.31 | Langly1 | hehe the channel limit is the sum of two powers of two |
| 10:19.33 | mike-m | pusling: lol:) |
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| 10:19.43 | andred | jim: BTS? |
| 10:19.52 | mike-m | pusling: mmh... heu... let me take a look |
| 10:19.54 | TBBle | Nate75Sanders: For which? vlc, I use what's in Debian. For mplayer, I use the archive the guy who last uploaded it to the NEW queue posted. |
| 10:19.56 | mike-m | at them |
| 10:20.01 | jim | andred: you don't know what the bts is? |
| 10:20.03 | ThePiratemaster | hey all, i made a jail directory but now i cannot remove it. how do i remove it. (i think there are processes running inside, how do i find out if this is true and how do i kill those processes) |
| 10:20.21 | Skrot | Is it possible to create a static device for a usb storage-device based on the hardware ID or something? so that each time I insert that hardware it gets the devicename /dev/phone or /dev/ipod f.ex? |
| 10:20.30 | mike-m | pusling: normally I can, it is the good version |
| 10:20.33 | jim | andred: how long have you been using any unix-alike? |
| 10:20.33 | TBBle | Skrot: Using udev? |
| 10:20.53 | Nate75Sanders | TBBle: just tried grabbing vlc from debian....complains about library packages not existing |
| 10:20.59 | pusling | mike-m: hm... okay. I can't install kde devel packages |
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| 10:21.17 | Skrot | TBBle: I dont use it now.. but I could install it? :) |
| 10:21.17 | TBBle | Nate75Sanders: Then it's prolly caught in the g++ transition. Although I didn't notice any problems with the vlc installed here. |
| 10:21.36 | mike-m | pusling: I just tryed, I also ;) |
| 10:21.41 | Angle | hey guys i was wondering what the syntax is for the interfaces, for wireless settings, i have wireless_key1, etc but i want to set the frequency and the channel in there as well |
| 10:21.45 | Nate75Sanders | cool, I can wait... |
| 10:21.47 | Nate75Sanders | thanks a lot |
| 10:21.50 | TBBle | Skrot: if you're on kernel 2.6.12 or better, yes. (Assuming sid. Other wise 2.6.something under sarge is oK with sarge's udev) |
| 10:21.51 | mike-m | pusling: kdebase-dev: Dépend: kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.4.1) ...... |
| 10:21.54 | ThePiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.08 | Skrot | TBBle: 2.6.11 :\ |
| 10:22.15 | TBBle | Angle: wireless_{thing} where {thing} is the thing that goes after iwconfig wlan0 when you do it by hand. |
| 10:22.24 | Angle | ahh |
| 10:22.34 | TBBle | Skrot: Time to upgrade. ^_^ Or maybe screw around with hotplug, but I don't recommend that in a general case. |
| 10:22.36 | andred | jim: i've never seen this abbreviation. but i got it, thanks :) |
| 10:22.58 | ThePiratemaster | hey all, i made a jail directory but now i cannot remove it. how do i remove it. (i think there are processes running inside, how do i find out if this is true and how do i kill those processes) |
| 10:23.26 | Skrot | TBBle: Allright.. think I'll wait for a debian kernel-image of 2.6.12 before I upgrade. What about HAL? I've only read about it so I don't really know what it does :p |
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| 10:23.41 | liable | ThePiratemaster: yes we saw the first time. lsof /foo killall that process |
| 10:23.58 | TBBle | Nate75Sanders: The problem is that you've got G++-transitioned libraries upgrade, but vlc in sid is still pre-transition. So yeah, either wait, or find old versions of the required libraries. (Snapshot.debian.net maybe) |
| 10:24.05 | jim | andred: you should decide if you want to try solving problems in sid... you run it, you'd be expected to determine and locate problems, solve them and post the problem and solution onto the BTS... |
| 10:24.05 | noerrors | nope, its not the kernel that broke nvidia-kernel.. its definitly the new libc6 |
| 10:24.07 | TBBle | Skrot: There's a 2.6.12 image now. |
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| 10:24.13 | ThePiratemaster | i do notk now gthe name of the process(es) |
| 10:24.13 | liable | !info linux-image-2.6.12 |
| 10:24.17 | pusling | mike-m: I think it is something c++ transition thing. When I try manually to install the packages, I end up with some packagenames ending on c102 |
| 10:24.17 | timo_ | noerrors: is there any way i can unload the via sound chipset? |
| 10:24.23 | ThePiratemaster | chroot? |
| 10:24.27 | TBBle | Skrot: hal I think sits on top of udev and tells programs when things change. (I _think_) |
| 10:24.35 | Skrot | Allright :) |
| 10:24.39 | noerrors | rmmod |
| 10:24.43 | AlexW | Whats the source that has debian packages for php5 |
| 10:24.47 | timo_ | mki |
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| 10:25.08 | emurz | how can I restart the mysql server? |
| 10:25.08 | jim | andred: if you can't do this, sid is probably -not- for you... |
| 10:25.09 | TBBle | pusling: c102 is the old g++ transition. |
| 10:25.18 | kepplar_ | Hey, Just wondering, is the mysql start script in sid broke or something? |
| 10:25.35 | kepplar_ | emurz: /etc/init.d/mysql restart? |
| 10:26.30 | pusling | TBBle: I end up with |
| 10:26.30 | noerrors | and once you upgrade to the new libc6, its very hard to get it back |
| 10:26.31 | pusling | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.31 | pusling | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.37 | noerrors | downgrading doesnt work |
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| 10:27.15 | TBBle | pusling: Yup. That's because they're before and after transition packages. I guess libfam0 is actually the c2 version... You have to pick one or the other, depending on your other dependancies. |
| 10:27.43 | timo_ | noerrors: after i loaded the correct module i get an error when trying to playback: Please check that your soundcard is configured properly, you have the correct output plugin selected, no other program is blocking the soundcard |
| 10:27.47 | timo_ | (xmms) |
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| 10:27.56 | emurz | kepplar: I hope you can help me with this, I'm added to the mysql group and I enter the right user and pass for my account, and it refuses my login ;/ |
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| 10:28.08 | pusling | TBBle: some of the packages in the kde-devel-dependency-things depends on one version and one on the other :/ |
| 10:28.29 | AlexW | dpkg php5 |
| 10:28.30 | dpkg | php5 is currently only available in unstable. if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb>, however, if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own. |
| 10:28.38 | AlexW | dpkg dotdeb |
| 10:28.39 | dpkg | dotdeb is, like, for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN |
| 10:28.42 | noerrors | well.. not sure what you are running, but sid has all that in /etc/modprobe.d to set the module paramters |
| 10:28.46 | jim | andred: part of the reason I say this, is that given sid is a major moving target, it's almost impossible to follow, much less support... so support requests are not appreciated here for sid... on the other hand, searching the BTS for problems BEFORE you post here -is- appreciated. You could be the first to find a problem; if that's true, no one else will know about it immediately, maybe not until YOU post to the BTS and tell them |
| 10:29.02 | noerrors | although, they got the params wrong for via chipsets |
| 10:29.03 | timo_ | noerrors: now i am using testing.. |
| 10:29.48 | noerrors | well still, look in /etc/modprobe.d for an alsa link |
| 10:29.53 | liable | timo_: make sure xmms is set ti use alsa |
| 10:30.13 | AlexW | dpkg apt-search |
| 10:30.22 | noerrors | i dont know what testing does for alsa setup |
| 10:30.42 | noerrors | but unstable tries to make a config that you dont have to touch |
| 10:30.57 | Skrot | TBBle: There's no kernel-image-2.6.12* in my apt yet btw :> |
| 10:30.59 | TBBle | pusling: Then you're in g++ transition hell. |
| 10:31.01 | liable | !tell AlexW about msg the bot |
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| 10:31.14 | timo_ | okey, but when i have done this, the changes will remain so after next reboot it'll load the sb module and not the via chipset? |
| 10:31.17 | liable | Skrot: search linu-image-2.6.12 |
| 10:31.20 | Guerin | !tell AlexW about search |
| 10:31.20 | TBBle | Skrot: Try linux-image-2.6.12. It was renamed for accuracy. |
| 10:31.28 | Skrot | oh |
| 10:31.38 | noerrors | if you run hotplug, you can blacklist it |
| 10:31.39 | pusling | TBBle: yeah - I thought so ;) But what the f*ck - it is only -dev-packages ,) |
| 10:31.40 | jim | andred, am I trying to chase you away from sid? if you don't have an independent ability to locate and solve your own problems in it, damn right I am |
| 10:31.41 | Skrot | When did this happend, and why? :p |
| 10:31.42 | liable | Skrot: linux |
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| 10:31.50 | Skrot | liable: yepp, thanks :) |
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| 10:32.13 | andred | jim: i got it, thanks :) |
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| 10:32.54 | TBBle | pusling: The -dev packages will generally match the right lib package. It's the other packages that need rebuilding. And kde needs rebuilding. Your best bet might be to whack the -dev packages, grab the old lib packages and install kde from there. |
| 10:33.03 | joe__ | where can I find more urls for apt/sources.list ???? |
| 10:33.22 | TBBle | joe__: Google? apt-get.org? |
| 10:33.27 | AlexW | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.dotdeb.org stable/all Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.dotdeb.org_dists_stable_all_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 10:33.28 | liable | Skrot: apparently in the future there will be non linux kernels available :) |
| 10:33.29 | AlexW | :/ |
| 10:33.34 | pusling | TBBle: I have fully working kde - but just occasionally needs the dev-packages |
| 10:33.34 | cn | who help me to remember a prog very fast to open jpg files? |
| 10:33.37 | liable | joe__: apt-setup |
| 10:33.40 | Skrot | liable: oh my :) |
| 10:34.17 | jim | cn: maybe google.com would help |
| 10:34.18 | TBBle | pusling: Welcome to the g++ transition hell. I whacked KDE from my system for space reasons right before the transition started. ^_^ |
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| 10:34.43 | pusling | TBBle: then you are out of luck ;) |
| 10:35.02 | TBBle | pusling: Not really. I use X like a slightly shinier version of screen, with title bars. |
| 10:35.27 | joe__ | liable: Tanks.. that was neat |
| 10:35.47 | liable | AlexW: run update again |
| 10:36.13 | pusling | TBBle: okay.. I mostly use kde to use 'konsole' ;) |
| 10:36.21 | pusling | and some of the fancy short cuts |
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| 10:37.14 | AlexW | thanks |
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| 10:37.52 | mitten | I have 2.4.* kernel (src compiled) on Deb 3.0. I see Deb 3.1 released and supports 2.6.* kernel. can one tell me if my apt-get upgrade would be smooth. any one has worked through similar situation? |
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| 10:38.01 | TBBle | pusling: Shortcuts? |
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| 10:38.14 | liable | !tell mitten about woody->sarge |
| 10:38.25 | jim | I use x cause I can see lotsa stuff on the screen at once... lotsa shells, editors, web pages... it's not that good for much else |
| 10:38.32 | pusling | TBBle: keyboard stuff, like <alt-f2> ;) |
| 10:38.51 | [1]alexandr | hello people.i installed debian 10 minutes ago,and my optical usb mouse wont work in it.can anyone help ? |
| 10:39.07 | mitten | woody to sarge sounds what I am looking for...any pointers while I browse deb site for it |
| 10:39.14 | jim | [1]alexandr: what do you mean doesn't work? |
| 10:39.20 | TBBle | What's alt-f2 do? |
| 10:39.34 | TBBle | pusling: Check out wmii. It's all keyboard driven. ^_^ |
| 10:39.43 | jim | TBBle, you in X? |
| 10:39.49 | TBBle | Yup. |
| 10:39.59 | [1]alexandr | can anyone help me with the usb mouse ?? |
| 10:40.11 | pusling | TBBle: alt-f2 launchs a 'run program' thing |
| 10:40.20 | jim | then you would need ctrl-alt-F2 in order to see... alt-F7 (usually) to come back to X |
| 10:40.46 | TBBle | jim: I know what alt-f2 does to the console. pusling was telling me about KDE keyboard shortcuts. |
| 10:40.57 | liable | !tell [1]alexandr about usbmouse |
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| 10:41.18 | jim | that one shouldn't be used, since there is already an alt-f2 |
| 10:41.19 | TBBle | pusling: ctrl-alt-p here, and it shows all the programs that contain the letters you've typed so far. |
| 10:41.21 | POVaddct | TBBle: alt-f2 in kde brings up the "run program..." dialogue |
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| 10:41.26 | timo_ | now i can atleast get sound from one of the speakers =) |
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| 10:41.36 | emurz | My browser doesn't invoke any cgi script/code, do I have to download any package? |
| 10:41.39 | liable | [1]alexandr: ie, reconfigure x to use /dev/input/mice |
| 10:41.46 | TBBle | ^_^ Do you guys read the backlog before joining conversations? |
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| 10:41.48 | mitten | woody->sarge url please... |
| 10:42.02 | TBBle | emurz: cgi is run on the server... |
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| 10:42.08 | jim | !woody->sarge |
| 10:42.12 | pusling | TBBle: it prompts me for what program to run; I write firefox; new firefox running |
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| 10:42.26 | liable | mitten: it was givin to you in /msg |
| 10:42.29 | idnar | how can I tell make-kpkg what compiler to use? |
| 10:42.38 | timo_ | now both work |
| 10:42.39 | TBBle | pusling: ctrl-alt-p firef<enter> (if I didn't have mozilla-19.2 installed, it'd work for moz<enter> |
| 10:43.02 | jim | idnar: wouldn't manoj know? |
| 10:43.16 | emurz | what folder do I have to create in my home dir for apache? |
| 10:43.24 | liable | pusling: get xbindkeys, bind ctrl + f to firefox :) |
| 10:43.33 | TBBle | emurz: public_html if you've got usermod enabled and not changed it. |
| 10:43.38 | [1]alexandr | how do i use the usb mouse in latest debian version ? |
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| 10:44.23 | pusling | liable: yeah - that would work for firefox ;) but what about all other programs - I do not have that many letters on my keyb ;) |
| 10:44.38 | liable | !drxx [1]alexandr |
| 10:44.39 | dpkg | [1]alexandr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:45.16 | liable | [1]alexandr: pick /dev/input/mice for your mouse (and protcol ps2) |
| 10:45.36 | cn | what is the most light and fast viewer of jpg imagine? |
| 10:45.58 | ankon | display from ImageMagick? |
| 10:46.03 | [1]alexandr | guys i gotta type that in the terminal? |
| 10:46.04 | [1]alexandr | :) |
| 10:46.05 | Guerin | cn: imagemagic's display? |
| 10:46.07 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:46.11 | miz | Is LILO workable with reiser4 as boot partition? |
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| 10:46.17 | cn | Guerin: another |
| 10:46.24 | cn | i remember another |
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| 10:46.30 | liable | [1]alexandr: yes |
| 10:46.39 | Guerin | cn: there are many others |
| 10:46.44 | [1]alexandr | so if i type reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in the therminal,will it work? |
| 10:46.55 | [1]alexandr | and how do i start the therminal without a mouse |
| 10:47.05 | liable | [1]alexandr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:47.15 | [1]alexandr | aha |
| 10:47.23 | liable | [1]alexandr: ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 10:47.29 | [1]alexandr | tnx |
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| 10:47.32 | liable | [1]alexandr: log in as root |
| 10:47.35 | jim | randi: found it |
| 10:47.40 | jim | err idnar |
| 10:47.49 | rixth | !info mozilla-firefox etch |
| 10:47.53 | liable | [1]alexandr: to get back alt+F& |
| 10:47.54 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 10:47.59 | cn | Guerin: one with 3 letters! |
| 10:48.03 | liable | [1]alexandr: err F7 |
| 10:48.10 | rixth | Geez. 1.0.6 has been out for 3 weeks now! |
| 10:48.23 | jim | idnar: look in the DESCRIPTION section of man make-kpkg |
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| 10:48.52 | Guerin | cn: only one i can think of is fbi, and that's for the framebuffer |
| 10:49.25 | idnar | jim: thanks |
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| 10:50.19 | jim | reason I took so long... is I thought it was an env var (and it is) which was listed at the end... so I read it backwards... |
| 10:50.31 | AlexW | anybody used the dotdeb packages before? |
| 10:51.01 | jim | !bad poll |
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| 10:51.46 | ankon | cn, do you haoppen to think of eye-of-gnome (eog)? |
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| 10:53.08 | jim | !bad polls |
| 10:53.08 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
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| 10:54.32 | noerrors | hmm... why did rdonald but 7667 of nvidia-kernel in ubuntu *before* sid? |
| 10:54.40 | noerrors | thats the fix |
| 10:55.00 | Guerin | noerrors: ask him |
| 10:55.01 | PoPnow | I'm about to instal a wiki but wonder what wiki clone I should chose, anyone here who's using any wiki with their debian? |
| 10:55.07 | jim | noerrors: evidently he's working for canonical |
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| 10:55.25 | cn | ankon, thanks this is better ,but there was another that show only image very simply |
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| 10:56.15 | Guerin | PoPnow: what do you want it for? |
| 10:56.33 | Guerin | PoPnow: i've used several, and found none entirely satisfactory |
| 10:56.37 | ankon | cn, try looking through freshmeat or whatever your favorite packages come from. it is almost impossible to guess "image viewer" from "it has a 3 letter name" |
| 10:56.49 | redcliffe | hi - i've got a problem with the permissions on a socket, i've got it's permissions set to 0777 but i still get permission denied when postfix tries to deliver mail to the lmtp socket of cyrus? |
| 10:57.02 | Guerin | redcliffe: the containing dir |
| 10:57.09 | redcliffe | anyone know how i might be able to get around that |
| 10:57.13 | PoPnow | I want to use as some kind of intranet, weher I can keep track on things to do and done and stuff like that |
| 10:57.18 | redcliffe | Guerin, ah ok i'll check that |
| 10:57.33 | Guerin | PoPnow: need users? |
| 10:58.00 | PoPnow | Guerin: maybe maximum 5users |
| 10:58.14 | Guerin | PoPnow: oh, small time |
| 10:58.22 | redcliffe | Guerin, thanks that helped |
| 10:58.35 | redcliffe | should have figured that ages ago |
| 10:59.09 | PoPnow | Guerin: yes, not big at all, it's just that we want to keep our documents at one place |
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| 10:59.34 | Guerin | PoPnow: we used phpwiki for a while - good and simple to set up, but user auth was shakey. pmwiki is ok too, much more simple, but the format of the textfiles it uses is horrible. twiki is industrial-strength, probably more than you need. |
| 11:00.04 | Guerin | PoPnow: we stopped using phpwiki because development seemed to have stagnated; still appears to be a bit deadish. |
| 11:00.46 | Guerin | PoPnow: if the actual content of the pages is less relevant than the files you link from them, use pmwiki |
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| 11:01.43 | PoPnow | Guerin: Would be nice to write nice documets and even attache pictures |
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| 11:02.53 | Guerin | PoPnow: you can do that, it's just that they're stored in a format which is a bastard to manipulate if you ever need to change |
| 11:03.20 | ma3x | on sarge install, it asks how you want to configure your machine *desktop *web *mail .... I didn't select anything. How can I install all the *desktop components now? |
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| 11:03.28 | Guerin | PoPnow: this is the problem with wiki - each implementation uses its own format, and it's hard to translate from one to another |
| 11:03.35 | jim | ma3x: tasksel |
| 11:03.37 | liable | ma3x: run tasksel |
| 11:03.58 | ma3x | whats tasksel? |
| 11:04.04 | jim | man tasksel |
| 11:04.07 | jim | and see :P |
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| 11:04.11 | Guerin | it's a Task Selector |
| 11:04.14 | jim | it's WHAT YOU ASKED FOR |
| 11:04.15 | Guerin | duh |
| 11:04.25 | ma3x | ok |
| 11:04.31 | ma3x | im not able to 'man' it now |
| 11:04.39 | jim | in fact it's -precisely- what you asked for |
| 11:04.40 | ma3x | whole system got erased |
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| 11:04.50 | jim | erased... |
| 11:04.53 | Guerin | ma3x: eh |
| 11:04.57 | Guerin | ma3x: reinstall |
| 11:05.02 | ma3x | yeap, i wanted to install grub again from the netinst CD |
| 11:05.17 | ma3x | and it started overwriting to the existing partition |
| 11:05.23 | Trace | Hello, Does anyone know any about p2p? i am very interested in it, so , are there any open software i can learn? thx!! |
| 11:05.24 | jim | I thought you just said you just installed sarge |
| 11:05.24 | ma3x | i mean to the existing debian installation |
| 11:05.36 | Guerin | Trace: lots |
| 11:05.39 | Guerin | Trace: google |
| 11:05.44 | ma3x | I did install it twice |
| 11:05.47 | ma3x | and got it twice erased |
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| 11:05.56 | jim | ma3x: why twice? |
| 11:05.56 | ma3x | by my bloody mistakes |
| 11:05.57 | Guerin | ma3x: you fucked up, and fgood |
| 11:05.59 | Trace | I tried google, but don't see any open software!! |
| 11:06.01 | Guerin | install again |
| 11:06.09 | Guerin | Trace: google.com/linux |
| 11:06.09 | ma3x | one time you press continue |
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| 11:06.12 | magnus_ | is there some questionbot in here? |
| 11:06.13 | ma3x | and it does its job |
| 11:06.16 | magnus_ | !help |
| 11:06.22 | jim | ok, well... yeah... |
| 11:06.25 | Guerin | magnus_: /msg dpkg help |
| 11:06.28 | magnus_ | thanks |
| 11:06.31 | |jeffers| | I've just used debootstrap to install a new system (suite sarge) and apt defaults to "testing". Bug? |
| 11:06.34 | jim | there's not much else but that to say |
| 11:06.35 | Trace | Let me have a try, thx, Guerin |
| 11:07.00 | Guerin | |jeffers|: not necessarily. what version of debootstrap |
| 11:07.03 | Guerin | ? |
| 11:07.21 | ma3x | anyway, something pissed me off. THat kino program for copying miniDV has very bad deinterlace filter |
| 11:07.38 | |jeffers| | Guerin: 0.2.45.0-2 |
| 11:07.46 | ma3x | and I couldn't find a better one, so I decided to install win from my original cd (when I bought the laptop) |
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| 11:07.49 | Guerin | !info debootstrap sarge |
| 11:07.51 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.45-0.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 11:07.52 | jim | I don't think you'll find that in debian officially :P |
| 11:07.54 | ma3x | and that win partitioner is terrible |
| 11:08.05 | |jeffers| | it's the sarge version... |
| 11:08.19 | PoPnow | Guerin: think I'll go for pmwiki, seems to be simple and looks ok for the things we are about to use it |
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| 11:08.27 | |jeffers| | next try would be to use the debootstrap from testing and see what happens in that case |
| 11:08.31 | marcelk | hi |
| 11:08.43 | Guerin | |jeffers|: debootstrap in sarge would install sagrge==testing, i expect, because up until the release, sarge WAS testing, and no new packages got in after the release |
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| 11:08.50 | Guerin | !info debootstrap etch |
| 11:08.51 | jim | |jeffers|: probably you just do a debootstrap to sarge base, then edit the sources.list |
| 11:08.52 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.3.1.4 (etch), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
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| 11:08.59 | ma3x | sticky key |
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| 11:09.21 | |jeffers| | Guerin: thought same ... but this is confusing you know ;) |
| 11:09.23 | ma3x | jim what you mean you can't find that official ? |
| 11:09.29 | Guerin | |jeffers|: yeah. |
| 11:09.50 | liable | seems worthy of a bug.. |
| 11:09.56 | |jeffers| | testing with debootstrap of etch now |
| 11:10.03 | timo_ | well, nor the sb module or the alsa settings remained after reboot, how can i fix that |
| 11:10.04 | jim | ma3x: you won't find stuff that copies DVDs on debian-managed mirrors |
| 11:10.36 | timo_ | i had to do it all over manually |
| 11:10.38 | ma3x | jim not DVDs, miniDV (mini cassete in the camcorder) |
| 11:10.50 | jim | oic |
| 11:10.51 | |jeffers| | luckily debootstrap has no real other deps besides binutils and wget ;) |
| 11:10.51 | ma3x | there are a few (dvgrab and kino) which is the quite same |
| 11:11.01 | ma3x | but they 're both terrible |
| 11:11.12 | ma3x | but even paid one, I cannot find out where to get |
| 11:11.31 | jim | you probably have to talk to people who have used it and gone thru those problems |
| 11:12.06 | ma3x | i have searched like 3 hours on google, but all use the same crap and complain about those interlacing problems |
| 11:12.25 | Angle | hmm why is it when i remove the encryption key from my apple base station, for wireless, i can connect to it, and get an IP address, however, the minute i add an encryption, 128 WEP key, i can't, despite setting it in the interface |
| 11:12.31 | ma3x | and then the official support of 'kino' replies in the forums, saying deinterlacing features cost a lot of money |
| 11:12.39 | ma3x | and ppl decide to install windows |
| 11:12.48 | |jeffers| | it would be nice if in the release of etch debootstrap would not default apt to "testing" ... report it to the BTS? ;) |
| 11:12.49 | ma3x | and then my debian fuked up |
| 11:13.08 | |jeffers| | as "wishlist" ? |
| 11:13.31 | jim | is it that you're recording something you want to copy onto your disk? |
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| 11:14.03 | ma3x | yes, i have a few movies of my vacations and trips ... |
| 11:14.08 | jim | oic |
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| 11:14.44 | Guerin | man |
| 11:14.49 | jim | I know this won't help you now... but is there a don't-use-interlace setting for when you're recording? |
| 11:14.58 | ma3x | but if you use dvgrab or kino, it will copy the material and it is 3 mins like 800 MN |
| 11:15.03 | ma3x | MBytes* |
| 11:15.08 | ma3x | uncompressed... |
| 11:15.16 | Guerin | i'm trying to figure out how insane it would be to take a cam and storage on my epic journey through the stans |
| 11:15.17 | ma3x | and there are vertical lines everywhere |
| 11:15.20 | |jeffers| | Guerin: where does apt get it's default entry from ? |
| 11:15.33 | Guerin | |jeffers|: a debootstrap script |
| 11:15.36 | cn | can i see all pkg i have that open some type of files? |
| 11:15.45 | Guerin | cn: no |
| 11:15.51 | cn | :( |
| 11:16.07 | jim | cn: they all do that... if only the file that contains the executable... |
| 11:16.08 | Guerin | cn: i mean, it's possible, but very difficult |
| 11:16.31 | jim | oic what you want |
| 11:16.35 | ma3x | Guerin what is stans? |
| 11:16.41 | Guerin | *stan |
| 11:16.54 | ma3x | and what does it mean |
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| 11:17.22 | Guerin | pakistan, afghanistan, tajikistan, turkmenistan, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, kazakhstan |
| 11:17.35 | golgotha | we want to bomb them all |
| 11:17.36 | Guerin | here a stan, there a stan, everywhere a stan stan |
| 11:17.40 | ma3x | why you think taking a cam is insane? |
| 11:17.43 | Guerin | golgotha: speak for your elf |
| 11:17.45 | ma3x | you can make some nice movies |
| 11:17.55 | Kepplar | stan = statew |
| 11:17.57 | Kepplar | -w |
| 11:18.06 | ma3x | its always cool to see what you went thru a few years ago |
| 11:18.11 | golgotha | remember to nuke the whales while we are at it |
| 11:18.13 | jim | golgotha: you own an elf?! |
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| 11:19.05 | Guerin | ma3x: because it'll make us a target, we'll have to carry all the kit and storage in and out, and find power for batteries, and it'll cost a ton of money, and is very likely to get damaged by fire, water, dust, heat, cold, machine gun fire and random accidents |
| 11:19.14 | Guerin | ma3x: but like I said, i'm still considering it :) |
| 11:19.31 | jim | you're going to be a target anyway... |
| 11:19.40 | ma3x | target why? |
| 11:19.42 | Guerin | jim: not necessarily |
| 11:19.47 | jim | a camera will make you a much bigger target :) |
| 11:19.51 | Guerin | there are two ways to do it: low-key or high-roller |
| 11:19.54 | ma3x | you have to take only your cam, a few cassetes and the recharger |
| 11:19.56 | ma3x | nothing more |
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| 11:20.01 | TBBle | What was that tool that let you upgrade a system to Debian over ssh? The name meant something like 'slip under' I think. |
| 11:20.20 | jim | tunnel? |
| 11:20.24 | Guerin | low key, you dress like the locals dress, try to blend in, etc. High roller, you rent or buy a white SUV and pretend to be working for a NGO |
| 11:20.35 | Guerin | ma3x: a few casettes? |
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| 11:20.39 | Guerin | they're an hour each! |
| 11:20.40 | jvw | someone familiar with building -smp kernels from debian source packages? A user can't figure it out, and I don't really know it by heart nor really want to completely research it -- http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=5049 |
| 11:20.46 | Guerin | a few hundred is more likely |
| 11:20.52 | jvw | (custom -smp kernels, that is) |
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| 11:20.54 | ma3x | Guerin, so you want to record 300 hours? |
| 11:21.00 | ma3x | a few hours is enough for me |
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| 11:21.13 | ma3x | haha, you record everything? |
| 11:21.25 | Guerin | ma3x: we're going from korea to the UK by land and sea |
| 11:21.40 | Angle | anyone here know how i can enable 128 bit encryption keys? |
| 11:21.41 | Guerin | a few hours will most certainly not be enough; we're banking on 6 months at this stage |
| 11:21.49 | jim | where are you now? |
| 11:21.49 | Guerin | Angle: context |
| 11:21.53 | Guerin | jim: korea |
| 11:22.25 | jim | what an adventure |
| 11:22.31 | ma3x | Guerin did you take the cam with you? |
| 11:22.37 | ma3x | 6 months? |
| 11:22.41 | ma3x | thats a good holiday |
| 11:22.42 | Guerin | ma3x: we haven't started yet |
| 11:22.51 | timo_ | can i just put snd_emu10k1 in /etc/modules for the sb module to start at boot time? |
| 11:22.52 | Guerin | it's not a holiday, it's a journey |
| 11:22.53 | ma3x | banking = saving? |
| 11:22.57 | Angle | Guerin: well i have set a 128 bit encryptoin key, on the wireless router, but i only used a 6 letter word, so say abcdef, now when i iwconfig ath0 key s:abcdef and try to connect, it won't, if i remove the key from the base station, and remove it from iwconfig then it works |
| 11:23.05 | Guerin | we likely won't be doing much sightseeing or tourism |
| 11:23.15 | Guerin | Angle: oh, i know nothing about wireless |
| 11:23.23 | Guerin | timo_: sure |
| 11:23.29 | ma3x | Guerin work trip? |
| 11:23.32 | Angle | ok |
| 11:23.33 | Angle | :( |
| 11:23.38 | Guerin | ma3x: no. |
| 11:23.43 | ankon | Angle, why don't you simply pad your key to 128bit? |
| 11:23.46 | liable | timo_: have you tried disabling the onboard in bios? |
| 11:23.46 | Guerin | ma3x: i wish someone would employ me to travel |
| 11:23.53 | ma3x | what kind of journey then? |
| 11:23.55 | timo_ | liable: it is not possible |
| 11:24.10 | Guerin | !blacklist |
| 11:24.10 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 11:24.11 | timo_ | i've looked everywhere |
| 11:24.15 | ma3x | Guerin you're in South Korea right? |
| 11:24.26 | liable | timo_: ok, then blacklist it in discover and hotplug and put emu in modules. |
| 11:24.40 | Guerin | ma3x: yes. there's no public-use internet and not very much public-use electricity in north korea. |
| 11:24.57 | ma3x | yes i know |
| 11:25.02 | ma3x | it's very poor country (north) |
| 11:25.07 | ma3x | but South is hell good! |
| 11:25.10 | timo_ | thanks! no one in any other debian channel could help me |
| 11:25.16 | Guerin | poor in both senses of the word |
| 11:25.22 | ma3x | They have like VDSL there already |
| 11:25.26 | Guerin | there are other debian channels? |
| 11:25.37 | Guerin | !guerin's internet |
| 11:25.37 | dpkg | Yes, Guerin has 100 megabit full-dup internet access at home. Yes, it costs him only $30/month. No, no useful ports are blocked and there's no AUP against running servers. No, you can't have a shell on his box. |
| 11:25.41 | Guerin | they sure do :) |
| 11:26.02 | ma3x | wow |
| 11:26.14 | ma3x | but is that something special, or everybody can have it there for that low price? |
| 11:26.15 | timo_ | swedish debian channel(s), on both freenode, efnet and i guess all the others |
| 11:26.40 | Guerin | ma3x: this is better than average, but average is still about 10 megabit |
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| 11:27.04 | timo_ | note: i dont use sarge, but etch.. it's the same i suppose |
| 11:27.11 | ma3x | Guerin I mean whats the standard for $30? |
| 11:27.12 | Guerin | timo_: identical |
| 11:27.16 | ma3x | how much bandwidth you get? |
| 11:27.34 | Guerin | ma3x: last year in a different city i got 24 megabit for $30/mo |
| 11:27.42 | Guerin | haven't noticed the difference, tbph |
| 11:27.46 | ma3x | incredible |
| 11:27.54 | ma3x | funny :P |
| 11:28.05 | Guerin | the best bit is that it's unlimited |
| 11:28.10 | ma3x | which city you're now? |
| 11:28.12 | ma3x | seoul? |
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| 11:28.20 | Guerin | Throttle U/D: off/off Rate: 519.5 / 380.5 KiB |
| 11:28.23 | michounet | hello all |
| 11:28.28 | Guerin | that's the status line for my bittorrent client |
| 11:28.32 | Guerin | it runs 24x7 |
| 11:28.40 | jim | have you ever transferred files at near your max rate? |
| 11:28.52 | ma3x | well 380.5 KiB is nothing for your connection |
| 11:29.06 | michounet | i have a big problem with my tuner tv card, i have an screen but not sound :( help me please!! my card is an saa7134 |
| 11:29.12 | ma3x | that you can do with 2 Mbps line |
| 11:29.19 | Guerin | jim: yup. I got 7.something megabytes per second from a server hosted at kaist in daejeon, which is about 50km away |
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| 11:29.28 | Guerin | ma3x: oh yeah, that's just right now |
| 11:29.28 | michounet | (i'm french, sorry for my english :)) |
| 11:29.38 | Guerin | i'm limited by the other peers |
| 11:30.20 | ma3x | its so big difference from korea to the other countries |
| 11:30.28 | jim | so you don't exactly have 100mb/s thru to the rest of the world? |
| 11:30.29 | ma3x | Guerin you been to Seoul? |
| 11:30.30 | Guerin | ma3x: what sound chipset does it have? |
| 11:30.49 | Guerin | jim: i'm limited to whatever the international pipelines will give me, like anyone |
| 11:30.50 | ma3x | they have for eg. Samsung Building big like a football field! |
| 11:30.51 | jim | michounet: has it ever worked? |
| 11:30.59 | Guerin | ma3x: once a month or so for 2.5 years |
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| 11:31.10 | adsadsad | :) |
| 11:31.15 | Guerin | yeah, the streets are paved with gold, etc. |
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| 11:31.43 | ma3x | Guerin but you're american right? |
| 11:31.48 | Guerin | jim: i think my best internationally is 2.5 Mbytes/sec to my server in texas, but that's still pretty good |
| 11:31.51 | jim | dad has sad ads |
| 11:31.51 | Guerin | ma3x: no |
| 11:31.59 | ma3x | Korean? |
| 11:32.09 | Guerin | nu zulluna |
| 11:32.25 | michounet | euhhh befor i had windows and i use my card yet |
| 11:32.27 | ma3x | what country? |
| 11:32.33 | Guerin | nu zullun |
| 11:32.43 | jim | new zealand? |
| 11:32.49 | Guerin | !win jim |
| 11:32.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, jim! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
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| 11:32.58 | adsadsad | how can i reset to a normal state the text fonts after a cat elffile? |
| 11:33.00 | ma3x | what's that the latin name? |
| 11:33.12 | Guerin | ma3x: the local name |
| 11:33.17 | jim | it's like merkin for people in the states |
| 11:33.24 | ma3x | Guerin you been to the Lotte World? |
| 11:33.34 | Guerin | ma3x: yeah. |
| 11:33.40 | Guerin | expensive |
| 11:33.40 | timo_ | so.. after blacklisting the via chipset and skipping it in discover.conf; the soundblaster card will probably be used by default |
| 11:33.42 | ma3x | is it cool? |
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| 11:33.52 | timo_ | and i can add it to /etc/modules too |
| 11:33.54 | jim | adsadsad: try running reset |
| 11:33.55 | Guerin | ma3x: depends on what you like |
| 11:33.56 | ma3x | naah, not that expensive. like $15 |
| 11:34.03 | Guerin | timo_: go crazy |
| 11:34.04 | jim | (not pressing the reset button!!) |
| 11:34.09 | adsadsad | jim: ah only way? |
| 11:34.09 | ma3x | Guerin did you try the Gyrodrop? |
| 11:34.17 | Guerin | ma3x: to get into the amusement park is ~$30 |
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| 11:34.22 | michounet | i have a good screen with tvtime but not sound... |
| 11:34.25 | Guerin | or was when we were there |
| 11:34.31 | adsadsad | reboot? |
| 11:34.37 | Guerin | ma3x: yeah. You sound like you've been there. |
| 11:34.48 | jim | that's a full month of internet usage! |
| 11:34.48 | Guerin | my wife's first amusement park ride was that gyrodrop |
| 11:34.51 | ma3x | Guerin there's only one Lotte World park, in Seoul right? |
| 11:34.54 | Guerin | she was scared shitless |
| 11:35.11 | Guerin | ma3x: i don't know of any others, but that's the one we went to - in Jamshil |
| 11:35.12 | PhUrl | Hi all, i have a problem accessing pages that provide large packets with packets seemig to get dropped by NAT or the firewall on my own network, but it works fine on the gateway server iteself |
| 11:35.14 | Guerin | s/h// |
| 11:35.34 | ma3x | they probably have more parks |
| 11:35.37 | jim | adsadsad: nonono! |
| 11:35.40 | ma3x | but its not that expensive in korea |
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| 11:35.53 | Guerin | depends where you come from |
| 11:35.53 | jim | -not- press reset... just run "reset" |
| 11:35.56 | ids | Hi... I've got a laptop which specs 100mhz, 32mb ram, 2gb hd... would it just about be able to cope with xwindows? |
| 11:36.02 | jim | it resets your term |
| 11:36.02 | Guerin | it's really, really expensive compared to NZ |
| 11:36.09 | adsadsad | :) |
| 11:36.13 | ma3x | no way, the food? |
| 11:36.15 | Guerin | ids: yeah, barely. |
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| 11:36.27 | Guerin | ma3x: food is cheap, if you eat what the locals eat. |
| 11:36.29 | AjLavJo | hey |
| 11:36.35 | ma3x | Guerin sea food? |
| 11:36.39 | ids | Guerin: i'd use blackbox, most likely |
| 11:36.53 | Guerin | ma3x: transport is cheap, drinking can be either cheap or expensive, depending how you go. |
| 11:37.04 | Guerin | ids: should be ok, as long as you're not too ambitious |
| 11:37.11 | Guerin | ma3x: seafood is expensive |
| 11:37.13 | AjLavJo | i have a few questions, how do i configure my clock? second how do i change the layout on my keyboard? |
| 11:37.15 | jim | ids: barely... you'll start to swap once you start running the wm |
| 11:37.40 | ma3x | Guerin Korea's cool. YOu could have fun your whole life there |
| 11:37.46 | jim | AjLavJo: you could look into ntp and ntpdate |
| 11:37.52 | Guerin | ma3x: how long did you stay here? |
| 11:37.58 | ma3x | 3 weeks |
| 11:38.01 | ids | jim: ok thanks for letting me know :) so far its been running windows 2000 but it takes a half hour to do anything |
| 11:38.03 | Guerin | hahah |
| 11:38.06 | ma3x | what? |
| 11:38.13 | ma3x | you got bored? |
| 11:38.14 | Guerin | not enough time for alienation to set in |
| 11:38.17 | Guerin | not bored |
| 11:38.27 | jim | alienation? |
| 11:38.31 | Guerin | it's just hard to fit into a monoculture this strong |
| 11:38.33 | jim | how do you mean |
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| 11:38.39 | jim | ahh |
| 11:38.39 | AjLavJo | ntpdate says no server can be used |
| 11:38.44 | ma3x | Guerin what are you talking about? |
| 11:38.48 | Guerin | you can live in korea for 50 years, and never be korea |
| 11:38.49 | ma3x | You're king between those people |
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| 11:38.49 | Guerin | n |
| 11:38.50 | TBBle | Hmm. I know someone who's got an intermezzo virtual server, and wants to replace RedHat with Debian. I'm not very familiar with intermezzo (ie I know nothing beyond google about it ^_^) and am soliciting ideas or suggestions. Google hasn't turned up anything useful yet. |
| 11:39.01 | Guerin | ma3x: no, i'm a foreign barbarian |
| 11:39.10 | ma3x | oh why? |
| 11:39.17 | Guerin | because i'm not korean |
| 11:39.20 | ma3x | When I was there, I got all chicks attention |
| 11:39.37 | Guerin | oh, and that's an important measure of status in a society |
| 11:39.38 | ma3x | that's the point, you get a lota fans |
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| 11:40.00 | Guerin | korean-born people who leave korea and live overseas for a decade or so come back and find they're not accepted any more |
| 11:40.01 | ma3x | well I was talking about the entertaining part in the society |
| 11:40.06 | Guerin | right |
| 11:40.13 | Guerin | well, there's more to society than that |
| 11:40.28 | Guerin | after 2.5 years, i'm about at my limit |
| 11:40.30 | ma3x | Well firstoff you can't learn their language |
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| 11:40.36 | ma3x | its hell difficult |
| 11:40.41 | Guerin | bullshiot |
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| 11:40.43 | jim | this journey you're going on... is it a one-way thing? |
| 11:40.51 | Guerin | much easier than english, if you try |
| 11:40.53 | ma3x | haha jim :) |
| 11:40.54 | Guerin | jim: yes. |
| 11:41.01 | ma3x | one way? |
| 11:41.06 | ma3x | you'll never get back? |
| 11:41.08 | Guerin | ma3x: very much so. |
| 11:41.08 | jim | so you're moving to uk |
| 11:41.19 | Guerin | ma3x: well, i may come back, but it's not planned. |
| 11:41.26 | jim | ohh, you'll miss your connection :P |
| 11:41.27 | Guerin | jim: if they'll have me, |
| 11:41.43 | ma3x | haha |
| 11:41.44 | Guerin | jim: i'll be innoculated to it by 6 months without any internet at all :) |
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| 11:42.10 | ma3x | Guerin damn, you just got used to that fire connection |
| 11:42.13 | jim | and then you'll be on a t1 and go "MAN this sucks" after 1 week |
| 11:42.17 | ma3x | now in the UK , you'll get dialup |
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| 11:42.22 | Guerin | yes indeed. |
| 11:42.33 | Guerin | when i go back to .nz i have to use dialup |
| 11:42.34 | ma3x | and it will be expensive |
| 11:42.37 | Guerin | i don't bother |
| 11:42.59 | ma3x | well just check email, news ... |
| 11:43.01 | Guerin | i use lynx on my shell box because the websites take more than a second to load otherwise |
| 11:43.03 | ma3x | dialup's enough i think |
| 11:43.04 | jim | so when do you leave? |
| 11:43.15 | Guerin | jim: feb 27 2006 |
| 11:43.24 | AjLavJo | is there no easier way to set time? |
| 11:43.26 | Guerin | visa expires midnight feb 28 |
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| 11:43.38 | jim | AjLavJo: let ntp/ntpdate do it for you |
| 11:43.41 | jim | easy :) |
| 11:43.53 | ma3x | Guerin how are you feeling overthere? is it nice, you having fun? |
| 11:44.00 | ma3x | or it got a little bit borring with the time? |
| 11:44.02 | Heronic | hola does anyone know a good program where you can create wishcards with? |
| 11:44.03 | Guerin | ma3x: i have mixed feelings |
| 11:44.04 | AjLavJo | well it doesnt find any servers to use, so what to do really? |
| 11:44.13 | Guerin | AjLavJo: pool.ntp.org |
| 11:44.21 | Guerin | wtf is a wishcard |
| 11:44.23 | Guerin | ? |
| 11:44.34 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.45 | Heronic | birthday cards and all type of cards |
| 11:45.10 | jim | try that, it should have some server in there, later versions have pool.ntp.org |
| 11:45.13 | ma3x | Guerin, but whats your main purpose being in Korea? biz? |
| 11:45.33 | Guerin | jim: if you want to join us, we're looking for people with a sense of adventure. S group of three so far ... i figure four or six is ideal. |
| 11:45.45 | Guerin | ma3x: i teach english. |
| 11:45.48 | jim | I'd die on day one. |
| 11:45.56 | Guerin | jim: at least you're honest. |
| 11:45.57 | ma3x | hehe jim why? |
| 11:45.57 | jim | I'm telling ya :) |
| 11:46.13 | Guerin | the worst kind are people who think they can hack it, but can't. |
| 11:46.40 | ma3x | hack what? |
| 11:46.42 | jim | and 2-3 months in, when you're in the stans, I'll look the wrong way or something, and die right there. |
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| 11:46.47 | AjLavJo | what if it still dont show my correct time? |
| 11:47.23 | ma3x | yeah, it's completly different feeling in another country |
| 11:47.25 | jim | are the minutes correct? |
| 11:47.38 | ma3x | okay time for me to install sarge for the 3rd or 4th time |
| 11:47.40 | AjLavJo | its the hours that i care about |
| 11:47.53 | jim | I'm merkin... evidently, I'm hated everywhere... |
| 11:48.14 | AjLavJo | the clock is wrong with 7hours |
| 11:48.32 | jim | ok, would you happen to be in calif? |
| 11:48.49 | AjLavJo | no |
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| 11:48.51 | jim | where's a utc+7? |
| 11:48.58 | AjLavJo | sorry |
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| 11:49.10 | jim | oregon? washington? mexico? british colombia? |
| 11:49.34 | AjLavJo | you think its the timezone that are wrong? |
| 11:49.38 | jim | somewhere along that line? |
| 11:49.45 | Guerin | michounet: hack == handle |
| 11:49.49 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:49.49 | jim | yeah, -if- the minutes are correct |
| 11:49.50 | Guerin | he left |
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| 11:50.18 | AjLavJo | should i run like tzconfig or tzselect ? |
| 11:50.36 | jim | yeah, you could try that... btw, where are you? |
| 11:50.43 | AjLavJo | in sweden |
| 11:50.48 | Guerin | cet |
| 11:50.52 | Guerin | gmt +1 |
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| 11:50.56 | Guerin | i believe |
| 11:51.02 | jim | +1? |
| 11:51.12 | Guerin | so he must have PST |
| 11:51.14 | michounet | Gueri: what? |
| 11:51.16 | jim | that doesn't account for 7 hours wrong |
| 11:51.16 | ricky_clarkson | for every drop of rain that falls. |
| 11:51.21 | Guerin | michounet: typo |
| 11:51.25 | michounet | what do i do? |
| 11:51.32 | s_ward | it does if the timezone is currently set to something silly |
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| 11:51.37 | jim | empty mouses lose their balls. |
| 11:51.38 | Guerin | i'm pretty sure PST is gmt -6 |
| 11:51.52 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: Is that where california is? |
| 11:51.53 | jim | -7/8 |
| 11:51.56 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: 1 |
| 11:51.56 | Tye_ | I can't for the life of me remember what the name of the tool to tweak the settings of the hard drive is |
| 11:51.59 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 11:52.01 | ricky_clarkson | -8 |
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| 11:52.09 | jim | -7 atm |
| 11:52.13 | s_ward | Tye_, hdparm |
| 11:52.18 | AjLavJo | something is seriously wrong with my time |
| 11:52.19 | ricky_clarkson | It's always 8 hours behind the UK, which is GMT in the winter. |
| 11:52.28 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: Is it going backwards? |
| 11:52.29 | Tye_ | s_ward: Thanks! There we have it, been trying to remember since last night ... |
| 11:52.48 | AjLavJo | i did tzselect and it says i am in sweden already |
| 11:52.57 | AjLavJo | but still it shows THAT wrong |
| 11:53.01 | jim | AjLavJo: try: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 11:53.03 | Guerin | AjLavJo: what's you hardware clock set to? |
| 11:53.10 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: TZ=GMT date |
| 11:53.24 | ricky_clarkson | Should be 11:53 or so. |
| 11:53.27 | jim | or date -u |
| 11:53.54 | AjLavJo | Sun Aug 7 11:53:35 GMT 2005 |
| 11:54.03 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: TZ=CET date |
| 11:54.06 | jim | that looks right |
| 11:54.30 | jim | Sun Aug 7 11:54:20 UTC 2005 |
| 11:54.39 | AjLavJo | well it doesnt even show that time |
| 11:54.41 | ricky_clarkson | Eek, that gives me 13:54. (TZ=CET) |
| 11:54.43 | AjLavJo | on my clock |
| 11:54.58 | jim | your clock? |
| 11:55.02 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: Oh, that's right, for Sweden ;) |
| 11:55.03 | AjLavJo | thats more my time ricky_clarkson |
| 11:55.13 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: TZ=CET date |
| 11:55.15 | kaiowa | i have compiled xorg , but now my alt+gr key dont work , i have reconfigured locales and all its ok, but this key dont work, any help plz?? |
| 11:55.24 | ricky_clarkson | kaiowa: xev |
| 11:55.37 | ricky_clarkson | !plz |
| 11:55.37 | dpkg | it has been said that plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 11:55.40 | Guerin | alt+gr? what is gr? |
| 11:55.40 | wers | whats the shortkey for changing the resolution in X? |
| 11:55.49 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: The right alt key. |
| 11:55.59 | ricky_clarkson | wers: Ctrl-alt-numpadplus |
| 11:56.00 | Guerin | wers: ctrl+alt++ |
| 11:56.07 | wers | thnx.. |
| 11:56.07 | Guerin | wers: ctrl+alt+- |
| 11:56.08 | jim | ctrl-alt-+ or - |
| 11:56.13 | AjLavJo | so after i type what you said ricky_clarkson what do i do for it to update my clock? |
| 11:56.21 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: You tell us what it said. |
| 11:56.31 | AjLavJo | Sun Aug 7 13:55:25 CEST 2005 |
| 11:56.37 | AjLavJo | thats how i want it |
| 11:56.40 | jim | what is your clock? |
| 11:56.40 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: So your system clock is fine. |
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| 11:56.55 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: What happens when you type date normally (with no TZ=THING)? |
| 11:56.57 | jim | can you kill off your clock and respawn it? |
| 11:57.16 | kaiowa | with xev , nothing result in the key " " , other key go fine "2" , "k" ... |
| 11:57.18 | AjLavJo | Sun Aug 7 07:57:05 EDT 2005 |
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| 11:57.29 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: echo $TZ |
| 11:57.39 | jim | EDT?? that's new york time :) |
| 11:57.51 | AjLavJo | well how do i change that? |
| 11:57.55 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, you'll become neurotic. |
| 11:57.57 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: echo $TZ |
| 11:58.00 | cahoot | kaiowa: what XkbMoel? |
| 11:58.04 | AjLavJo | the command you gave me didnt do anything |
| 11:58.09 | cahoot | kaiowa: XkbModel |
| 11:58.13 | jim | only if you hang out with Woody Allen |
| 11:58.17 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: It did, it just didn't output anything. |
| 11:58.22 | AjLavJo | oh okay |
| 11:58.24 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Doesn't everybody in New York? ;) |
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| 11:58.33 | kaiowa | 105 |
| 11:58.38 | ricky_clarkson | AjLavJo: Have you configured timezones? |
| 11:58.41 | AjLavJo | hehe dont be mean :P |
| 11:58.42 | wers | i only see half the screen whan i startx , upper part is black, and i cant switch resolution,, i have only set up depth 8 and 800x600 in xf86config.. any ideas? |
| 11:58.45 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg-reconfigure timezones (I think) |
| 11:58.58 | AjLavJo | yeah i just did with tzselect and it says sweden |
| 11:58.59 | jim | I've never been to new york city... |
| 11:59.06 | Guerin | wers: what video card, x server and driver? |
| 11:59.10 | ricky_clarkson | wers: I think some newer cards don't like 8-bit depth. |
| 11:59.11 | jim | I've never met the man, and I'm perfectly happy... |
| 11:59.23 | wers | Guerin S3 trio64v+ |
| 11:59.34 | jim | AjLavJo: log out and log back in |
| 11:59.39 | wers | ricky_clarkson itds a realy old pci cardf |
| 11:59.40 | Guerin | wers: you poor bastard |
| 11:59.46 | ricky_clarkson | The problem with NYC is that you can't get away from bloody Alan. |
| 11:59.48 | wers | Guerin .. hehe... |
| 11:59.55 | Guerin | wers: answer the rest of my questions |
| 12:00.02 | wers | Guerin .. its just for my fileserver.. but i want x anyway.. |
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| 12:00.36 | AjLavJo | can i check in the shell if the time is correct now? |
| 12:00.58 | jim | AjLavJo: so if your clock is still set to florida time, log all the way out and all the way back in |
| 12:01.03 | jim | sure |
| 12:01.09 | jim | just type date |
| 12:01.10 | wers | Guerin i installelled it from sarge testing.,, havnt compiled any drivers.. |
| 12:01.17 | absence | how do i specify what filesystem the kernel should use when trying to mount the root? right now it attempts to use ntfs (of all things), and fails spectacularily, resulting in a kernel panic |
| 12:01.23 | jim | sarge isn't testing anymore :) |
| 12:01.28 | s_ward | absence, fstab |
| 12:01.31 | AjLavJo | the date command still gives me Sun Aug 7 08:00:04 EDT 2005 |
| 12:01.50 | jim | ok, what exactly are you running |
| 12:01.51 | absence | s_ward, if only it was that easy.. |
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| 12:02.05 | absence | s_ward, fstab says reiser4, not ntfs |
| 12:02.20 | Guerin | !drxx wers; choose 'vesa' |
| 12:02.21 | wers | Guerin .. when i try in 16bit depth it says its not suported by the driver... |
| 12:02.21 | dpkg | wers; choose 'vesa': dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:02.37 | AjLavJo | ill reboot then... |
| 12:02.42 | wers | Guerin Thnx alot |
| 12:02.44 | jim | reboot? no |
| 12:02.50 | s_ward | absence, that sounds evils, I don't know, sorry |
| 12:02.51 | jim | you shouldn't have to go that far |
| 12:03.09 | jim | but are you running x? |
| 12:03.16 | AjLavJo | well i am going to load some modules anyways :) |
| 12:03.48 | s_ward | modules that could otherwise be loaded using modprobe? |
| 12:03.54 | jim | that doesn't require reboot either,,, unless you are loading them at boot -and- you want to test whether they get loaded |
| 12:03.56 | AjLavJo | oh i see |
| 12:04.09 | absence | ok. does anyone else know what might be wrong? |
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| 12:04.26 | AjLavJo | so just a logout then_ |
| 12:04.27 | AjLavJo | ? |
| 12:04.37 | alexandr | i am still having problem with the usb mouse |
| 12:04.39 | jim | but WHAT are you running?? |
| 12:04.59 | alexandr | i wrote dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:05.00 | jim | x? no x? gnome? gdm? xdm? |
| 12:05.03 | AjLavJo | x windows :) |
| 12:05.07 | alexandr | me? |
| 12:05.12 | jim | no |
| 12:05.14 | jim | sorry |
| 12:05.17 | alexandr | ok |
| 12:05.25 | AjLavJo | oh btw i want to change that xdm to something else too, how do it do that? |
| 12:05.43 | jim | well that's a different thing... one thing at a time :P |
| 12:05.53 | AjLavJo | okay okay :) |
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| 12:05.58 | alexandr | how do i use the usb mouse in debian!!!is debian that dumb that cant recognise it ??? |
| 12:06.25 | timo_ | now the sound works, -almost-, as it should, but the alsamixer puts the volume to zero after reboot, any way to change that? |
| 12:06.29 | jim | ok, so if you're running xdm, ctrl-alt-backspace and log in again (I guess that would take your irc session too) |
| 12:06.40 | AjLavJo | it will hang on |
| 12:06.57 | BusMaster | alexandr, perhaps you need to modify the XF86Config file and add the USB as the corepointer? |
| 12:06.59 | marc | absence: any special kernel arguments? |
| 12:07.09 | alexandr | how do i do that? |
| 12:07.21 | jim | alexandr: usb is kernel's job... that's true for any linux dist |
| 12:07.28 | alexandr | with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 12:07.39 | BusMaster | alexandr, first of all, when you plug in your mouse, is it detected by the kernel? |
| 12:07.46 | alexandr | well |
| 12:07.47 | timo_ | if alsamixer has some kind of config file where i can set default master volume |
| 12:07.53 | absence | marc, no |
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| 12:08.00 | alexandr | it sais the mouses name,but sais its not claimed by any driver! |
| 12:08.06 | Tye_ | Skype can't find libqt-mt.so.3. Should I install libqt3-dev, libqt3-headers or another package? |
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| 12:08.13 | jim | timo: does it save your settings when you log out or reboot? |
| 12:08.22 | Tye_ | timo: You can save the settings with alsactl |
| 12:08.27 | BusMaster | alexandr, Hmm...generally, the usb-hid module should be loaded upon detection of a USB mouse... does that happen? |
| 12:08.33 | timo_ | aha |
| 12:08.34 | jim | alexandr: ok, so the appropriate driver isn't loaded |
| 12:08.36 | marc | absence: then i have no clue, sorry. |
| 12:08.39 | timo_ | alsactl |
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| 12:08.44 | timo_ | i'll check |
| 12:08.47 | alexandr | so what shall i do ? |
| 12:08.54 | AjLavJo | okay, back |
| 12:09.01 | Tye_ | timo: I was reading the man page of it yesterday ... Pretty good. |
| 12:09.03 | AjLavJo | still no change of time |
| 12:09.04 | jim | time good now? |
| 12:09.07 | jim | hmmm |
| 12:09.08 | absence | marc, just root=blabla.. any idea if there is an argument for specifying the fstype? |
| 12:09.16 | BusMaster | alexandr, http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x194.html |
| 12:09.27 | marc | absence: rootfstype= ? |
| 12:09.29 | jim | still EDT? |
| 12:09.39 | alexandr | let me read it |
| 12:09.42 | timo_ | Tye_: i did too, now, and it was just alsactl store :) |
| 12:09.46 | timo_ | thanks again |
| 12:10.04 | AjLavJo | testing again...brb |
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| 12:10.36 | absence | marc, thanks. i'll try that |
| 12:10.46 | jim | AjLavJo: gotta find out what's setting your TZ variable, or if it's getting set, or what your "clock" is doing |
| 12:10.58 | jim | (yes I know he's gone) |
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| 12:11.32 | jim | AjLavJo: gotta find out what's setting your TZ variable, or if it's getting set, or what your "clock" is doing |
| 12:11.38 | AjLavJo | time is fixed now :( |
| 12:11.39 | AjLavJo | :) |
| 12:11.47 | jim | what did you do this time? |
| 12:12.06 | AjLavJo | i ran a tzconfig instead of tzselect |
| 12:12.15 | jim | ohh |
| 12:12.35 | alexandr | hey what version of xfree86 does debian 3.1 have? |
| 12:12.36 | jim | I dunno what tzselect is |
| 12:12.44 | jim | 4.3.0? |
| 12:12.55 | Eclipser | yep |
| 12:13.09 | alexandr | ok |
| 12:13.09 | alexandr | tnx |
| 12:13.13 | s_ward | tzselect - view timezones -- that would explain it :) |
| 12:13.17 | AjLavJo | well tzselect was not working good so dont remember it :P |
| 12:13.23 | AjLavJo | oh |
| 12:13.30 | AjLavJo | no wonder |
| 12:13.32 | Eclipser | XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14) |
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| 12:13.50 | tarzeau | libc6 2.3.5-3 is safe to install, right? |
| 12:14.17 | AjLavJo | can we get into my keyboard problem for now cause i am getting annoyed to type on the english keyboard, quite confusing :P |
| 12:14.19 | TBBle | Not if you're in xdm. ^_^ |
| 12:14.25 | jim | that's right, you have a new libc |
| 12:14.33 | jim | does etch also have that libc? |
| 12:14.41 | liable | tarzeau: hasnt killed this box :) |
| 12:14.57 | tarzeau | liable: oh well, i'll try and see |
| 12:15.00 | jim | ok, I'm nowhere for that part |
| 12:15.15 | jim | you gotta find the knower of the keyboard layout stuff |
| 12:15.15 | tarzeau | nope etch has a much older version of libc6 compared to the one in sid |
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| 12:15.33 | AjLavJo | hmm what you mean? |
| 12:15.47 | jim | I'm not the knower of that! |
| 12:16.01 | jim | let's see, grammatically correcting, |
| 12:16.04 | jim | I dunno! |
| 12:16.08 | AjLavJo | oh okay, but you did good this far :) thanks |
| 12:16.15 | jim | welcome. |
| 12:18.09 | jim | btw, if you want to change to another *dm, then you should go to console, stop xdm, remove it, install the dm you want (which will start it) |
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| 12:18.42 | E|ement | can anybody help me |
| 12:18.43 | AjLavJo | cant ya just reconfigure it? |
| 12:18.57 | E|ement | i try to install some icafe software |
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| 12:19.07 | DocTomoe | Hi ... I'm trying to install the SUN JVM under debian Sarge, using http://www.narisa.com/blog/sand/index.php?cmd=showentry&eid=47 as a tutorial. However, when I am starting fakeroot, it tells me "No matching plugin was found." and dies. Any suggestions? |
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| 12:19.23 | E|ement | when i try to configure...i get this error:akando:~/cafe/cafe2/nodeview-0.8.3# ./configure |
| 12:19.23 | E|ement | checking for Berkeley DB... |
| 12:19.23 | E|ement | Either Berkeley DB does not exist or you have two conflicting versions |
| 12:19.24 | asg | DocTomoe: /msg dpkg install java |
| 12:19.25 | DocTomoe | And jyes, I've asked dpkg for java |
| 12:19.36 | DocTomoe | it didn't help, tought |
| 12:19.38 | mosty | element: do you have it installed? |
| 12:19.51 | asg | DocTomoe: and you asked dpkg about java-package also? |
| 12:19.56 | E|ement | mosty yes |
| 12:19.56 | DocTomoe | jup |
| 12:20.07 | DocTomoe | and I' ve tried fakeroot and all that stuff |
| 12:20.27 | E|ement | how to fix this problem? |
| 12:20.34 | mosty | DocTomoe, the problem is that the make-jpkg script is looking for particular file names for the jvm .bin file, and sometimes it's out of date |
| 12:20.57 | mosty | element: tell configure where it is explicitly |
| 12:20.59 | DocTomoe | mosty: do you mean the .bin or the make-jpkg? |
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| 12:21.07 | asg | E|ement: install the -dev package for whatever dbX libs you are compiling with |
| 12:21.30 | mosty | DocTomoe, make-jpkg gets out of date, when a new java .bin is released with a different looking filename |
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| 12:21.44 | jvw | DocTomoe: check /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED? |
| 12:21.53 | jvw | DocTomoe: what's the name of the .bin you're trying? |
| 12:22.09 | AjLavJo | if i have changed the graphic card and i get an error when booting, where should i look to be able to remove the installed drivers for that gf card? |
| 12:22.14 | jvw | DocTomoe: do you run sarge, etch or unstable? |
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| 12:22.24 | E|ement | mosty: i don`t know where is installed berkley db.how can i find it? |
| 12:22.36 | DocTomoe | jvw: sarge |
| 12:22.46 | mosty | AjLavJo, changing graphic cards shouldn't cause any boot problems, all cards support vga mode |
| 12:22.47 | jim | DocTomoe: you need to check /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
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| 12:22.51 | DocTomoe | the bin is called jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin |
| 12:22.53 | asg | E|ement: install the -dev package |
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| 12:23.18 | AjLavJo | hmm but it gives me an error now on a pci spot, prolly where the card was |
| 12:23.18 | jim | DocTomoe: make sure that exact name (jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin) is in SUPPORTED |
| 12:23.30 | mosty | ajlavjo, what error? |
| 12:23.39 | jvw | DocTomoe: should work, you run i386? |
| 12:23.44 | DocTomoe | it is, tought as a regex ... jre-1_5_0_[0]-9[0-9]-linux-i586.bin |
| 12:23.49 | DocTomoe | jvw: nopw |
| 12:23.59 | jvw | DocTomoe: then that's your problem... what do you run? |
| 12:24.12 | jvw | i586 version is for i386 |
| 12:24.13 | DocTomoe | i686 ;) ... |
| 12:24.18 | mosty | element, which package did you install that provides berkeley db? there are a few different versions |
| 12:24.20 | jvw | nah, so you do run i386 |
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| 12:24.46 | davidex | hello :P |
| 12:24.48 | E|ement | mosty: i try to install nodeview... and internet cafe software |
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| 12:25.12 | mosty | element: i already know that |
| 12:25.19 | jvw | DocTomoe: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 12:25.20 | E|ement | http://openkiosk.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 12:25.29 | mosty | element: can you please answer my question? |
| 12:25.34 | AjLavJo | maybe nothing to worry about i guess...brb |
| 12:25.42 | asg | mosty: it doesn't answer questions |
| 12:25.53 | DocTomoe | jvw: alright, i386 |
| 12:26.10 | mosty | asg, nice |
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| 12:26.28 | E|ement | mosty: this server has builed by another admin... i didn`t know what version he used |
| 12:26.47 | asg | E|ement: dpkg -l | grep libdb |
| 12:26.47 | mosty | element: well when i asked before you said it was already installed. how do you know it is? |
| 12:26.55 | jvw | DocTomoe: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE |
| 12:27.14 | DocTomoe | jvw: i486-linux-gnu |
| 12:27.19 | E|ement | asg:ii libdb1-compat 2.1.3-7 The Berkeley database routines [glibc 2.0/2. |
| 12:27.19 | E|ement | ii libdb2 2.7.7.0-9 The Berkeley database routines (run-time fil |
| 12:27.19 | E|ement | ii libdb3 3.2.9-22 Berkeley v3 Database Libraries [runtime] |
| 12:27.19 | E|ement | rc libdb4.0 4.0.14-2 Berkeley v4.0 Database Libraries [runtime] |
| 12:27.19 | E|ement | ii libdb4.0++c102 4.0.14-2 Berkeley v4.0 Database Libraries for C++ [ru |
| 12:27.19 | E|ement | ii libdb4.1 4.1.25-18 Berkeley v4.1 Database Libraries [runtime] |
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| 12:27.24 | jvw | DocTomoe: eh... so you run an unstable dpkg on sarge |
| 12:27.26 | asg | idiot |
| 12:27.27 | jvw | DocTomoe: that's not supported |
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| 12:27.36 | E|ement | sorry for flood |
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| 12:27.48 | asg | E|ement: are you going to install a -dev package for one of those? |
| 12:27.52 | jvw | DocTomoe: you're asking for problems if you mix unstable with stable |
| 12:27.53 | DocTomoe | jvw ... wenn, I used that netinstall RC3-ISO for installing. shouldn' t that be sarge? |
| 12:28.03 | jim | they're -always- sorry... -after- they get kicked... |
| 12:28.17 | jvw | DocTomoe: check your sources.list |
| 12:28.23 | jvw | DocTomoe: maybe you upgraded to etch |
| 12:28.31 | asg | jim: they are sorry before they flood, they are just apologetic afterwards. |
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| 12:28.51 | E|ement | asg: the -dev version for berkley is already installed libdb4.2-dev 4.2.52-18 |
| 12:28.55 | jim | good point,,, in other words, they know the deal before they do it |
| 12:29.00 | jvw | DocTomoe: you installed a development version of sarge, if you do so, you'll need to know how testing/unstable/stable work |
| 12:29.08 | asg | E|ement: and that is the version of BDB your software requires? |
| 12:29.15 | E|ement | yes |
| 12:29.40 | DocTomoe | jvw: Is there a way to downgrade to sarge without reinstalling? |
| 12:29.42 | asg | E|ement: was that -dev package previously installed or did you just do it? |
| 12:29.47 | jvw | DocTomoe: yeah, you can try |
| 12:29.54 | jvw | DocTomoe: not officially supported, but it typically works |
| 12:30.00 | pakYAN | hi |
| 12:30.15 | pakYAN | how to run script on /etc/init.d |
| 12:30.34 | jvw | DocTomoe: fix your sources.list to say 'sarge' |
| 12:30.34 | pakYAN | i have install bluez but can |
| 12:30.39 | DocTomoe | jvq: done. |
| 12:30.40 | E|ement | asg: the -dev has previously installed |
| 12:30.41 | jvw | DocTomoe: then put in /etc/apt/preferences: |
| 12:30.43 | jvw | Package: * |
| 12:30.43 | jvw | Pin: release a=stable |
| 12:30.44 | jvw | Pin-Priority: 1050 |
| 12:30.44 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:30.51 | mosty | pakyan: /etc/init.d/foo start (or stop, or restart, or whatever else the script supports) |
| 12:30.53 | pakYAN | i have install bluez but can't run on booting |
| 12:30.54 | jvw | DocTomoe: and apt-get dist-upgrade :) |
| 12:31.03 | asg | E|ement: there shouldn't be any other libdb*-dev packages installed. Are there? |
| 12:31.10 | mosty | pakyan: man init |
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| 12:31.13 | s_ward | pakYAN, update-rc.d allows you to update the symlinks |
| 12:31.34 | jim | asg: he's got 4.0 -dev installed, but no 4.0 |
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| 12:31.52 | alexandr | guys i followed what the page said,but it still says the usb mouse is there,but not claimed by any driver |
| 12:31.56 | DocTomoe | jvw: that file /etc/apt/preferences does not exist ... should it be created or is my system screwed up? |
| 12:31.56 | asg | jim: he claims he has 4.2-dev installed which should conflict with 4.0 |
| 12:32.02 | pakYAN | i'll try it. |
| 12:32.43 | jvw | DocTomoe: create it, it doesn't normally exist |
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| 12:32.44 | jvw | DocTomoe: delete it after you're done too |
| 12:32.44 | E|ement | asg: there aren`t any -dev packages .... |
| 12:32.45 | jim | hmm, I stand corrected... the flood didn't show a -dev installed |
| 12:32.56 | asg | E|ement: besides libdb4.2-dev? |
| 12:32.59 | debuser | Hello, I just apt-get install gmailfs. But I need to reconfigure the fuse options offered to me when I downloaded that. How can I get that reconfiguration screen to reappear? |
| 12:33.00 | alexandr | how come knoppix boots from cd,and it still sees my usb mouse,and debian doesnt!!\ |
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| 12:33.08 | DocTomoe | jvw: Will do so, thank you for the inconvinience. |
| 12:33.12 | noerrors | victory is mine |
| 12:33.18 | mosty | <E|ement> asg: the -dev has previously installed |
| 12:33.22 | marc | debuser: dpkg-reconfigure pakgename |
| 12:33.28 | E|ement | asg: yes |
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| 12:33.37 | ricky_clarkson | !yorkshiresmite asg |
| 12:33.40 | asg | mosty: < E|ement> asg: there aren`t any -dev packages .... |
| 12:33.42 | noerrors | I built my own nvidia-kernel packages from the new upstream and now it works with the new libc6 |
| 12:33.48 | mtl514 | alexandr maybe it's the hardware detection script |
| 12:34.02 | alexandr | it was detected |
| 12:34.06 | asg | !steal ricky_clarkson's pork pie |
| 12:34.07 | E|ement | asg: this is only the -dev pachages installed:ii libdb4.2++-dev 4.2.52-18 Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries for C++ [de |
| 12:34.07 | E|ement | ii libdb4.2-dev 4.2.52-18 Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries [developmen |
| 12:34.15 | alexandr | but it says it wasnt claimed by any driver |
| 12:34.18 | jim | goodbye pork pie hat |
| 12:34.26 | asg | E|ement: what debian are you running? |
| 12:34.44 | E|ement | asg:Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
| 12:35.36 | asg | E|ement: then I suggest you apt-get install --reinstall libdb4.2 libdb4.2-dev and try again. |
| 12:36.05 | E|ement | asg: thanks for help |
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| 12:36.18 | E|ement | asg:i`ll try to reinstall them |
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| 12:36.36 | asg | E|ement: you might also want to remove older packages as well (the 4.0 stuff isn't in sarge afict) |
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| 12:37.52 | mtl514 | Alex did hotplug find your mouse? |
| 12:37.52 | alexandr | no :( |
| 12:37.52 | mtl514 | try dmesg |
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| 12:38.29 | alexandr | hey while loading the kernel,it says its not claimed by no driver,and it also says its using a standard ps/2 mouse,common for all devices |
| 12:38.36 | alexandr | aaand |
| 12:39.01 | mtl514 | alex did discover find it? |
| 12:39.08 | alexandr | if i reconfigure the xserver-xfree86,when it asks for mouse configuration,i dont see no usb mouse there! |
| 12:39.17 | alexandr | whats discover? |
| 12:39.23 | liable | alexandr: use /dev/input/mice |
| 12:39.34 | liable | !usbmouse |
| 12:39.34 | dpkg | from memory, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 12:40.35 | mtl514 | alex it's the debian hw detection program |
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| 12:40.59 | alexandr | so i shall write "use device /dev/input/mice" in the console ? |
| 12:41.03 | vivek | hello all |
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| 12:41.16 | vivek | after marking packages with aptitude how do i get them to install ? |
| 12:41.21 | mosty | alexandr, no just say it out loud |
| 12:41.32 | vivek | ;) |
| 12:41.39 | alexandr | :(( |
| 12:41.43 | mosty | alexandr, or when you reconfigure X. see which works best |
| 12:41.48 | alexandr | making fun of me |
| 12:41.52 | alexandr | none of them works! |
| 12:42.03 | vivek | alexandr: are you running kernel 2.6 ? |
| 12:42.07 | mosty | alexandr, are those modules loaded? |
| 12:42.14 | alexandr | i see ps/2 atari ,but not usb mouse |
| 12:42.15 | vivek | alexandr: if you are then modprobe psmouse |
| 12:42.25 | vivek | alexandr: and you need udev installed |
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| 12:42.39 | vivek | alexandr: also it helps if you mave mdetecd installed |
| 12:42.55 | alexandr | i only have a debian cd |
| 12:43.09 | vivek | the mouse section in /etc/X11/XF86Config should state /dev/psaux |
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| 12:43.20 | vivek | if you have all these in place your mouse will work ... |
| 12:43.31 | alexandr | psaux? |
| 12:43.46 | debuser | I'm trying to get gmailfs to work. But I have nowhere to start, no documentation, and googling it isn't helping. Where can I start? |
| 12:43.50 | alexandr | i wrote /dev/input/mice in that section |
| 12:43.58 | alexandr | not psaux |
| 12:44.01 | vivek | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.07 | alexandr | u sure? |
| 12:44.13 | vivek | alexandr: do all the things i told you in the same order i gave them to you |
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| 12:44.19 | mtl514 | alex is debian installed or running from a cd? |
| 12:44.21 | vivek | and if its a ps/2 mouse it will work |
| 12:44.32 | alexandr | debian is installed |
| 12:44.34 | mosty | debuser, i believe it only ever worked temporarily |
| 12:44.36 | alexandr | noooo |
| 12:44.40 | alexandr | its a usb mouuse |
| 12:44.53 | vivek | alexandr: woops |
| 12:45.04 | vivek | do you have ohci or uhci as module L |
| 12:45.05 | vivek | ? |
| 12:45.10 | vivek | try lsmod |
| 12:45.12 | vivek | as root |
| 12:45.25 | vivek | usbcore should have ohci or uhci or *hci |
| 12:45.39 | mtl514 | debuser i use a mozilla firefox extention called gnotifier. at addons.mozilla.org |
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| 12:46.12 | Valen | installing debian r3.01a onto a system with windows (dual boot) running on a hdd with a A100U2W scsi controller running it, the installer runs fine but i have to force it to boot to the correct hdd in grub, then it starts booting, gets to scsisubsystem initalised and dies saying cannot open dev/console no such file , kernel panic attempted to kill init. any suggestions on where i should start <- newbie++ |
| 12:46.38 | alexandr | hey i will just use <dpkg> from memory, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
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| 12:47.52 | ma3x | hehe ,isntalled back sarge in no time |
| 12:47.53 | noerrors | Valen, hd(0,0) in /boot/grub/menu.lst is where your /boot partition should reside |
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| 12:47.59 | ma3x | okay, now how to install the entire KDE? |
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| 12:48.06 | Valen | the installer sets grub to use hd3,4 but thats an ide disk, i force it to hd0, 4 where it is |
| 12:48.15 | ma3x | if i do 'tasksel' and choose *desktop, it will install gnome too |
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| 12:48.18 | Valen | i;ll check it thanks |
| 12:48.21 | ma3x | how do i install only kde? |
| 12:48.43 | mtl514 | ma3x type dselect |
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| 12:49.08 | mtl514 | type / for search type kde :) |
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| 12:49.26 | ma3x | okay, let's see what this baby can do |
| 12:49.30 | noerrors | you can do apt-get install kde, but there is a minimal kde package too |
| 12:49.34 | noerrors | i wouldnt suggest all of kde |
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| 12:50.00 | Valen | linux is installed to hd0,3 if i point it there it starts |
| 12:50.06 | noerrors | unless you want all that worthless educational stuff |
| 12:50.11 | Valen | root is set to /dev/sda4 |
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| 12:50.14 | mtl514 | ma3x did you un hash # the /etc/apt/sources.lsit ? |
| 12:50.15 | Valen | ahh that may be it |
| 12:50.41 | Valen | nope |
| 12:50.47 | goccia | kdebase |
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| 12:51.03 | noerrors | yah goccia |
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| 12:51.23 | ma3x | yeah mtl514. if i press enter after typing KDE at the search it cancels my search |
| 12:51.33 | ma3x | gotta read the keystrokes section |
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| 12:51.49 | mtl514 | type kdebase |
| 12:51.52 | noerrors | dselect is not necessary |
| 12:52.03 | noerrors | expecially if you are not used to debian |
| 12:52.03 | mtl514 | that's true |
| 12:52.04 | goccia | and use aptitude ort apt-get |
| 12:52.10 | goccia | or* |
| 12:52.16 | ginipig | is anyone here using xorg (backports?) |
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| 12:52.19 | ma3x | so what package installs the entire KDE? |
| 12:52.23 | mtl514 | i think it's apt-get kdebase ? |
| 12:52.28 | ma3x | just like if I would select *desktop from tasksel |
| 12:52.30 | vivek | ginipig: i am |
| 12:52.34 | vivek | em backport no ... |
| 12:52.38 | ginipig | vivek: have you encountered any bugs |
| 12:52.41 | ginipig | er |
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| 12:53.02 | vivek | i am running unstable and no problems atm .... |
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| 12:53.29 | ma3x | what was the package for the console mouse? |
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| 12:53.45 | ginipig | vivek: which vers of xorg is it, btw? |
| 12:53.56 | Valen | my lack of booting propperly wouldnt be a result of it not loading the scsi module? |
| 12:53.58 | s_ward | ma3x, 1) kde, 2) gpm, searches should have found those |
| 12:54.06 | vivek | ginipig: have no idea ... never really checked ... |
| 12:54.07 | ma3x | thanks s_ward |
| 12:54.11 | ma3x | brb |
| 12:54.12 | AjLavJo | didnt xterm come with some neat images before? |
| 12:54.17 | marc | ginipig: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 |
| 12:54.38 | ginipig | thanks marc |
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| 12:55.14 | AjLavJo | and how do i choose wm? |
| 12:55.53 | ginipig | AjLavJo: echo "wm_of_choice" >> ~/.xinitrc && startx |
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| 12:56.28 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 12:56.48 | solemnwarning | xfree86 keeps bloating upto 99% cpu on my other machine then freezing |
| 12:56.52 | solemnwarning | any idea whats wrong? |
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| 12:57.58 | valdyn | solemnwarning: an application using X is doing broken stuff? |
| 12:58.04 | mtl514 | solemn try another window manager |
| 12:58.15 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 12:58.28 | solemnwarning | all its running is xchat |
| 12:58.29 | mtl514 | gnome kde u know |
| 12:58.33 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 12:58.36 | solemnwarning | its on kde |
| 12:58.45 | solemnwarning | which is fine on all my other machines |
| 12:58.45 | mtl514 | ah bloat land |
| 12:58.50 | solemnwarning | <_< |
| 12:58.54 | mtl514 | how mem you got? |
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| 12:59.01 | solemnwarning | 512meg |
| 12:59.05 | valdyn | solemnwarning: try not running kde and see if the problem reappears |
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| 12:59.16 | solemnwarning | ffs |
| 12:59.24 | Semionsi | hi all |
| 12:59.26 | solemnwarning | why does everyone hate kde?? |
| 12:59.26 | mtl514 | how would he change the wm? |
| 12:59.33 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: takes ages to start |
| 12:59.42 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: same reason for why i hate gnome |
| 12:59.43 | solemnwarning | loads fast here |
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| 12:59.47 | tarzeau | besides they are so cumbersome to use |
| 12:59.48 | valdyn | solemnwarning: what does this have to do with hating kde? |
| 12:59.50 | mtl514 | solemn try Kubuntu Live :) |
| 12:59.58 | goccia | i don't hate kde : i dont' like it but i respect it |
| 13:00.12 | goccia | and 512 it is more then enough |
| 13:00.13 | tarzeau | someone wants amiwm? /me did fresh packages |
| 13:00.17 | tarzeau | and gtk-engines-gtkstep too |
| 13:00.21 | mtl514 | on a 333 with 128 and watch the time go by real slowwww. |
| 13:00.32 | Semionsi | i don't like kde because xfce is better :p |
| 13:00.38 | absence | what can be wrong when i get "pivot_root: no such file or directory" right after the kernel is loaded? this is followed by init not being able to load dev/console, and a kernel panic because init exits |
| 13:00.40 | tarzeau | hi takatumi |
| 13:00.49 | tarzeau | absence: 2.6? |
| 13:00.51 | Valen | noerrors, kernel option is pointing to the right place, the hd3 / hd0 thing is wrong |
| 13:00.52 | takatumi | hey tarzeau! |
| 13:00.54 | absence | tarzeau, yes |
| 13:00.55 | goccia | konsole and konqueror are excellent me think |
| 13:00.59 | Valen | it does start booting then fails |
| 13:01.01 | mtl514 | ah true XFCE is being used for OFSET.org |
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| 13:01.20 | Semionsi | but konqueror is good |
| 13:01.34 | solemnwarning | kde > * |
| 13:01.49 | mtl514 | Semionsi sure when it works ;) |
| 13:01.53 | vivek | ratpoison ;) |
| 13:01.57 | Valen | noerrors, any more hints? |
| 13:02.03 | vivek | kill them all ... xfce/kde/gnome ;) |
| 13:02.21 | tarzeau | wmii anyone? wmaker? amiwm? |
| 13:02.22 | takatumi | let 'em all be. |
| 13:02.27 | vivek | if you like gnu screen you are bound to like ratpoison ;) |
| 13:02.27 | Semionsi | i find windows explorer better than xffm |
| 13:02.31 | mtl514 | tarzeau have you even checked the window manager option? Many Themes bro!! |
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| 13:02.46 | noerrors | well.. are you using initrd? |
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| 13:02.48 | takatumi | vivek: ion here, similar I hear. |
| 13:02.48 | tarzeau | vivek: strange i like gnu screen, but not ratpoison, neither could i get myself used to fluxbox/bb nor ion |
| 13:02.51 | mtl514 | Semionsi for THumbnails? |
| 13:02.59 | Semionsi | mtl514: no |
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| 13:03.05 | Valen | noerrors, i presume so its a stock install |
| 13:03.06 | vivek | takatumi: yes its pretty similar ... |
| 13:03.09 | tarzeau | mtl514: i like the classic openstep look best |
| 13:03.09 | Valen | i havent changed anything |
| 13:03.27 | tarzeau | mtl514: any one more theme kills consistency |
| 13:03.29 | Valen | i havent actually had it boot |
| 13:03.42 | vivek | tarzeau: but my vision is skewed all i need is emacs ;) .... |
| 13:03.46 | mtl514 | tarzeau sure me too with the big buttons for the edlerly & kids :) |
| 13:03.58 | tarzeau | vivek: there's Emacs.app at http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/emacs/ |
| 13:03.58 | noerrors | yah.. that makes it a little more complicated.. what I normally do (since i use ext3) is just build ext3 support into the kernel and skip the initrd all together |
| 13:04.01 | takatumi | tarzeau: *step is pretty crowded for my liking. that's what I like best about ion, all the space at your pace. |
| 13:04.09 | Semionsi | mtl514: windows explorer is more practical than xffm |
| 13:04.10 | tarzeau | mtl514: you just have to set the resolution high enough |
| 13:04.14 | Valen | i was hoping to try reiser |
| 13:04.20 | Semionsi | reiser4? |
| 13:04.21 | noerrors | initrd is only if you build the fs support as a module |
| 13:04.25 | mtl514 | how about voice command control? |
| 13:04.35 | tarzeau | takatumi: you probably just have a too low of a resolution |
| 13:04.44 | tarzeau | takatumi: but i even run it at 320x240 on a 9" |
| 13:04.46 | Valen | noerrors, i cant build a kernel atm, i cant get it to boot |
| 13:04.50 | mtl514 | tarzeau ctrl+alt +or- for fun :) |
| 13:04.56 | noerrors | yah.. :) |
| 13:05.08 | takatumi | tarzeau: this lappy won't do more than 1024x768, so yeah. |
| 13:05.18 | Valen | try it on ext2 you think may help? i told it to install the 2.6 smp kernel |
| 13:05.36 | noerrors | i dont think that will help |
| 13:05.41 | Valen | i try the i386 recovery kernel with the same problem |
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| 13:05.46 | Valen | same on the 2.4 too |
| 13:06.10 | tarzeau | nifty stuff http://www.livejournal.com/users/chibitech/3802.html |
| 13:06.28 | noerrors | the main thing is the first line points to /boot and then your root= has to be the partition where / is |
| 13:06.46 | Valen | if those were wrong it wouldnt even start booting though would it |
| 13:07.10 | noerrors | right.. it wouldnt |
| 13:07.19 | noerrors | it would just stop right away |
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| 13:07.33 | Valen | so sounds like that isnt the problem then |
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| 13:07.42 | Valen | i think its not mounting the scsi |
| 13:07.43 | noerrors | so whats the err |
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| 13:07.53 | mtl514 | Who here has compiled make menuconfig a customized kernel? I have ;) |
| 13:08.08 | Semionsi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.28 | Valen | gets to scsisubsystem initalised and dies saying cannot open dev/console no such file , kernel panic attempted to kill init. |
| 13:09.00 | noerrors | whats the kernel |
| 13:09.15 | mtl514 | uname -a |
| 13:09.16 | goccia | Valen: do you have an entry for initrd.img ? |
| 13:09.28 | absence | what can be wrong when i get "pivot_root: no such file or directory" right after kernel 2.6 loads the initrd? this is followed by init not being able to load dev/console, and a kernel panic because init exits |
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| 13:09.49 | Valen | absence, that sounds the same as what i have |
| 13:10.06 | noerrors | 2.6.12? |
| 13:10.17 | Valen | its the 2.6.8-2-i686-smp i think |
| 13:10.20 | absence | Valen, yay :) |
| 13:10.28 | absence | noerrors, 2.6.12 here |
| 13:10.29 | Valen | comes with debian 3.1a |
| 13:10.45 | mtl514 | Has anyone setup icecast? |
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| 13:11.10 | Valen | i am running on the install cd atm |
| 13:11.33 | TyreseJones | How do i enable a USB wireless adaptor on my main server? |
| 13:11.38 | noerrors | well.. you would prolly get a "no such file or directory" cause its not mounting |
| 13:12.04 | Valen | that was pretty much verbatim |
| 13:12.12 | Valen | i'll restart if you want it exact |
| 13:12.12 | noerrors | my guess is the scsi drivers are not right |
| 13:12.19 | AjLavJo | modconf ? |
| 13:12.20 | Valen | lol thats what i was thinking |
| 13:12.26 | Valen | but how can i alter anything |
| 13:12.30 | Valen | i cant get it to boot |
| 13:12.32 | pakYAN | hi, how to config display monitor to 1024x768 |
| 13:12.32 | matsur | Hi all, how can I resize a reiser partition? parted doesn't like it |
| 13:12.41 | asg | !drxx pakYAN |
| 13:12.42 | dpkg | pakYAN: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:12.45 | noerrors | is it ext3? |
| 13:12.49 | Valen | reiser |
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| 13:12.55 | noerrors | mm |
| 13:13.10 | noerrors | reiser is ok, but is sucks for large files |
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| 13:13.32 | Valen | this is going onto / (and /usr etc) |
| 13:13.39 | Valen | its a 18gb partition |
| 13:13.45 | matsur | Is there any way to resize a reiser partition? |
| 13:13.47 | Valen | (on a chetah 15krpm drive) |
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| 13:13.54 | noerrors | is linux all on one partiton? |
| 13:14.05 | Valen | yeah and one for swp |
| 13:14.43 | AjLavJo | fips is what i used before, not sure if it works for ext2 and ext3 |
| 13:14.49 | noerrors | is reiser default? |
| 13:15.03 | Valen | well its included with the installer |
| 13:15.21 | Valen | and i spose it does load enough of the kernel |
| 13:15.27 | asg | matsur: google might know of one. The only *safe* way is to backup your data, delete the filesystem, recreate the filesystem with the new size, restore from backups. |
| 13:16.21 | Valen | i'll just try it as ext2 |
| 13:16.29 | noerrors | ext3 |
| 13:16.43 | Valen | i can upgrade to that later cant i? |
| 13:16.47 | noerrors | yah |
| 13:16.51 | Valen | this should be "safe" |
| 13:16.53 | Valen | rule it out |
| 13:16.59 | Valen | can one |
| 13:17.01 | TyreseJones | Can anyone recommend the best method to boot a machine, and get it to connect to a thin client server, without having to use boot floppies? |
| 13:17.06 | Valen | "upgrade" to reiser? |
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| 13:17.16 | asg | TyreseJones: PXE boot |
| 13:17.18 | noerrors | no |
| 13:17.18 | Valen | bootp? |
| 13:17.24 | Valen | didnt think so |
| 13:17.25 | asg | !tell mbrbs about root |
| 13:17.28 | Valen | eh ext3 should do it |
| 13:17.39 | matsur | Hrrm looks like the latest version of parted supports reiser |
| 13:17.47 | Valen | ok formattin |
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| 13:18.03 | Valen | installing base |
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| 13:18.13 | noerrors | i dont like all the proprietary msgs that reiser puts on your system at boot |
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| 13:18.34 | noerrors | and it works for crap when doing video editing |
| 13:18.34 | Valen | <- windows man, trying to convert to linux |
| 13:18.51 | Valen | eh like i said its going onto an 18gb drive |
| 13:19.04 | noerrors | yah.. not much video editing on that :) |
| 13:19.06 | Valen | well partition, so its not going to have massive files on it |
| 13:19.09 | Valen | fast though |
| 13:19.10 | asg | !filesystem comparison |
| 13:19.10 | dpkg | it has been said that filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 13:19.13 | Valen | 3.6ms seek |
| 13:19.22 | Valen | ok what kernel should i do |
| 13:19.30 | noerrors | latest |
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| 13:19.40 | Valen | 2.6.8-2-686-smp ? |
| 13:19.43 | tarzeau | haha who was telling me libc6 update was fine: DMAN no more ssh logins |
| 13:19.45 | Valen | thats the latest in it |
| 13:19.56 | asg | Valen: latest stable debian kernel image |
| 13:20.06 | noerrors | lol libc6 made me lose an entire days sleep |
| 13:20.08 | tarzeau | i'm so cool to have a telnetd running |
| 13:20.10 | asg | tarzeau: on etch or sid? |
| 13:20.13 | tarzeau | how i hate ssh, when it doesn't work. |
| 13:20.16 | tarzeau | asg: sid ;) |
| 13:20.17 | Valen | asg, limits at this stage is linux isnt booting |
| 13:20.25 | tarzeau | oh i LOVE telnet |
| 13:20.27 | asg | tarzeau: 2.3.5-3? |
| 13:20.32 | nono31 | is there a way to have automatically all created files and folder inside a folder to have automatically the same permissions, ownwer and group as the folder? |
| 13:20.35 | tarzeau | asg: yeah |
| 13:20.44 | asg | tarzeau: just fine here, did you dist upgrade? |
| 13:20.50 | noerrors | i have to make a new nvidia-kernel package by hand for xorg to work after I installed libc6 |
| 13:21.00 | noerrors | err had* |
| 13:21.02 | noerrors | hehe |
| 13:21.03 | tarzeau | asg: nah, i was on sid since years, without full package upgrades (for years ;) lazy bum |
| 13:21.05 | asg | Valen: the installer isn't booting? or the installer worked but it doesn't boot afterwards? |
| 13:21.11 | Valen | installer works |
| 13:21.12 | mosty | nono31, if you make a dir setgid, all files are owned by the group that owns the dir. that might be close enough |
| 13:21.14 | asg | tarzeau: oh |
| 13:21.15 | Valen | then boot fails |
| 13:21.19 | Valen | going onto scsi hdd |
| 13:21.33 | noerrors | scsi shouldnt be a problem, Valen |
| 13:21.39 | Valen | shouldnt be lol |
| 13:21.41 | noerrors | expecially if you use a new kernel |
| 13:21.44 | Valen | open to suggestions |
| 13:21.45 | tarzeau | asg: just upgraded freom 2.2.19-presomething to 2.4.31 that i can run wondershaper ;) |
| 13:21.47 | noerrors | 2.6.12 is latest stable |
| 13:21.51 | Valen | i think it may not have the module for it is all |
| 13:21.53 | tarzeau | asg: but need to rewrite those ipchains things to iptables |
| 13:22.12 | asg | tarzeau: :) |
| 13:22.13 | tarzeau | asg: a dist-upgrade would mean : 133 packages upgraded, 75 newly installed, 38 to remove and 14 not upgraded. Need to get 54.7MB of archives. After unpacking 20.5kB will be used. <- sucks |
| 13:22.29 | Valen | rebooting |
| 13:22.34 | asg | tarzeau: such is life according to sid |
| 13:22.50 | dan2 | asg: ahoy |
| 13:22.53 | Bac9 | tarzeau: that's nothng, I had dist-upgrades reach close to 200mb |
| 13:22.55 | asg | hiya |
| 13:23.08 | Bazy | noerrors can you get the kernel 2.6.12 package with apt-get ? |
| 13:23.17 | noerrors | yah |
| 13:23.35 | tarzeau | Bac9: that's a minimal box, i've got one with 295mb and another with way more ;) |
| 13:23.47 | Valen | k grub is thinking its the wrong hdd |
| 13:23.58 | Valen | i'll edit the boot settings for it |
| 13:24.01 | Bac9 | tarzeau: :-) |
| 13:24.08 | Valen | it does have initrd |
| 13:24.26 | Valen | pointing it to hd0,3 rather than hd3,3 |
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| 13:24.39 | noerrors | actuall.. |
| 13:24.43 | noerrors | hmm |
| 13:24.46 | Valen | kernel is pointing to /dev/sda4 "ro" |
| 13:24.54 | noerrors | all i see in the repository is kernel-image-2.6.11-1 |
| 13:25.13 | Valen | booting |
| 13:25.16 | Valen | same problem |
| 13:25.21 | Valen | ahha |
| 13:25.31 | Valen | gatal module inia100 not found |
| 13:25.34 | Valen | fatal |
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| 13:26.12 | Valen | reboot and go into the boot disk? |
| 13:26.21 | noerrors | valen, when you install the os, do you load the scsi module? |
| 13:26.24 | takatumi | tarzeau: on dial-up, dist-upgrades would take me ~18hours and by the time I'm done, I would have another 50MB at times. |
| 13:26.32 | Valen | the cd detects it |
| 13:26.39 | noerrors | k |
| 13:26.55 | Valen | so thats the problem there methinks |
| 13:27.16 | Valen | the module would need to be put in the initrd image or some such? |
| 13:27.17 | noerrors | what is on /dev/sda4 |
| 13:27.27 | Valen | the install i believe |
| 13:27.56 | Valen | i need to give it the module |
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| 13:28.50 | noerrors | there is a way to pass modules on boot |
| 13:28.52 | tarzeau | takatumi: haha :) |
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| 13:29.03 | noerrors | but i dont think you would have to do that |
| 13:29.05 | tarzeau | takatumi: no *dsl/cable where you live? |
| 13:29.26 | Valen | noerrors, may help to do it untill i can get in |
| 13:29.39 | Valen | then i could probbly add it to the image |
| 13:29.47 | tarzeau | takatumi: put a long internet cable with a not on one end "PLEASE GIVE ME INTERNET, I GIVE YOU OIL" into an oilpipeline? you're in kuwait after all? |
| 13:29.47 | Valen | i think its trying to load it off the image? |
| 13:29.54 | timo_ | how (not) funny, installed realplayer for listening to live radio, but no sound eventough sound works everywhere else in my system |
| 13:30.01 | takatumi | tarzeau: got dsl now, 256k \o/ |
| 13:30.06 | tarzeau | timo_: try xmms ? |
| 13:30.32 | timo_ | i know it works in xmms but i don't know if it supports the format |
| 13:30.39 | timo_ | ..the type |
| 13:30.48 | tarzeau | timo_: try streamtuner |
| 13:30.56 | noerrors | the initrd image is basically for filesystem support |
| 13:30.58 | tarzeau | timo_: what type is it? maybe mplayer supports it |
| 13:31.14 | absence | hm, i don't get this. the init script on initrd executes pivot_root, pivot_root is in both the initrd image and the root being mounted, and yet it fails with a file not found :/ |
| 13:31.16 | takatumi | tarzeau: finally when I got my speed up, as I had predicted you stopped playing bub-n-bros :) |
| 13:31.17 | noerrors | not hardware |
| 13:31.25 | Valen | so where would it load the module from? |
| 13:31.41 | timo_ | it's local radio and you can choose between windows media player and real, and i don't have windows |
| 13:31.57 | timo_ | i can't see the actual url to the stream |
| 13:32.05 | timo_ | it's web based interface |
| 13:32.10 | tarzeau | takatumi: hey, i can start again |
| 13:32.22 | noerrors | from the initrd most likely |
| 13:32.27 | takatumi | tarzeau: naah, just kidding. |
| 13:32.49 | tarzeau | takatumi: seriously. i'm bored anyways |
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| 13:32.49 | cahoot | timo: sr.se? |
| 13:32.56 | Valen | noerrors, thats what i said lol |
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| 13:33.11 | noerrors | :) |
| 13:33.16 | takatumi | tarzeau: I'm in. |
| 13:33.21 | tarzeau | takatumi: which server? |
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| 13:33.29 | Valen | so how would i add it? |
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| 13:33.40 | tarzeau | takatumi: #bub-n-bros |
| 13:33.42 | takatumi | tarzeau: in, meaning count me in, when you get the server up. :P |
| 13:33.52 | tarzeau | and anyone who also wants to play, join now it. game's at http://bub-n-bros.sf.net/ |
| 13:34.22 | Eclipser | I've forgot how to make a cert key for apache :) |
| 13:34.26 | noerrors | but.. it would depend on how far its getting at boot |
| 13:34.41 | Valen | i toldya that lol |
| 13:34.42 | goccia | timo_: no xmms installed ? |
| 13:34.50 | timo_ | cahoot: yes |
| 13:34.55 | goccia | so no problem |
| 13:34.58 | timo_ | goccia: yepp |
| 13:35.01 | noerrors | if it can read the initrd image.. then it must be loading something |
| 13:35.15 | Valen | it is |
| 13:35.18 | goccia | get the pls and feeb xmms > ctrl L |
| 13:35.18 | noerrors | hehe.. sounds like a catch 22 |
| 13:35.23 | goccia | feed* |
| 13:35.32 | cahoot | timo: ff + realplayer works here |
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| 13:35.55 | timo_ | cahoot: both of them work for me too, but no sound :) |
| 13:36.00 | Valen | i think it gets to the point where it tries to actually start using the disk |
| 13:36.17 | Valen | could i do it from the console on the install cd? |
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| 13:36.59 | Spritee | Hi, how can I check how much space a dir like /etc uses? |
| 13:37.09 | dvs | Spritee: df |
| 13:37.11 | timo_ | goccia: it is a .rm stream, can xmms handle that |
| 13:37.13 | noerrors | so what from console? |
| 13:37.18 | noerrors | er do* |
| 13:37.34 | goccia | timo_: going to see |
| 13:37.43 | Valen | fix the problem |
| 13:37.47 | Spritee | Thanks |
| 13:37.49 | Valen | get the thing to boot |
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| 13:38.47 | antony_ | hi all |
| 13:38.53 | noerrors | hm, not too sure |
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| 13:39.18 | noerrors | testing.. so this is sarge? |
| 13:39.27 | noerrors | or etch |
| 13:39.31 | dvs | noerrors: etch |
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| 13:39.33 | Valen | uhh i think so |
| 13:39.39 | Valen | its the latest from stable |
| 13:39.42 | ajpr | ok I have this problem with my internet connection... every address takes a long time to "find" but when i do a time host blah.com it gets the ip almost immediately |
| 13:39.51 | timo_ | i don't need realplayer really, just a player that can handle either wm och rm streams |
| 13:40.02 | goccia | timo_: don't know .rm : any url inside ? |
| 13:40.22 | timo_ | http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/webbradio/createram.asp?namn=rtsp://sr-rm.qbrick.com/broadcast/cluster/encoder/02038_p3.rm |
| 13:40.27 | Valen | actually i think theres a problem possibly with initrd-tools |
| 13:40.43 | Valen | sombody said its using the wrong module |
| 13:40.47 | noerrors | that could be |
| 13:40.57 | Fluten | mozilla somehow stopped working for me overnight. I had a few windows of it open last night, and this morning they're all gone. Also, mozilla won't start even after moving my .mozilla file. Firefox won't load either |
| 13:41.03 | ajpr | (btw im using sarge....i think) |
| 13:41.18 | noerrors | Valen, what if you try sarge instead of etch |
| 13:41.34 | cahoot | timo: if I choos win media format it looks like mplayer does the job |
| 13:41.35 | noerrors | then dist-upgrade to etch |
| 13:41.42 | cahoot | timo: choose |
| 13:41.44 | dvs | timo_: Works here (realplayer) |
| 13:41.44 | Valen | i'd have to dl it, i'd rather not |
| 13:41.57 | Fluten | would restarting fix my problem? |
| 13:41.58 | Valen | noerrors, sarge is the latest stable isnt it? |
| 13:42.00 | timo_ | cahoot: is that so.. i'll have a look |
| 13:42.05 | noerrors | it sounds like etch is having issues |
| 13:42.06 | timo_ | dvs: well not for me |
| 13:42.15 | Fluten | hmm, it finally loaded but only after waiting 3 minutes |
| 13:42.27 | Valen | noerrors, the latest stabe is sarge isnt it? |
| 13:42.27 | tarzeau | asg: scp: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14 |
| 13:42.28 | noerrors | yah, sarge is latest release |
| 13:42.37 | Valen | yeah thats what i'm using |
| 13:42.38 | cahoot | timo: mplayer-plugin enabled of course |
| 13:42.43 | Valen | 3.1a |
| 13:42.59 | noerrors | but etch is latest "testing" |
| 13:43.18 | Valen | yeah the problem is its looking for the wrong module |
| 13:43.28 | Valen | ok how would i fix that lol |
| 13:43.30 | tarzeau | noerrors: that doens't sound right |
| 13:43.35 | tarzeau | noerrors: since there is only ONE testing |
| 13:43.45 | noerrors | well then etch is testing |
| 13:43.52 | ajpr | ok I have this problem with my internet connection... every address takes a long time to "find" but when i do a time host blah.com it gets the ip almost immediately (I'm using Debian3.1 installed yesterday from a minimalist cd install) |
| 13:43.54 | noerrors | sarge is stable |
| 13:44.08 | noerrors | i guess lol |
| 13:44.15 | dvs | noerrors: sounds like you have more than one distribution in your sources.list file. |
| 13:44.19 | Valen | so where would i edit that |
| 13:44.21 | timo_ | cahoot: how do i install mplayer as a plugin |
| 13:44.26 | noerrors | naw.. im all on sid |
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| 13:44.33 | goccia | timo_: bad feeling with .rm :i stick to pls files |
| 13:44.45 | asg | tarzeau: joy |
| 13:44.49 | noerrors | sarge was too old |
| 13:44.52 | timo_ | goccia: well, this is national radio |
| 13:45.04 | cahoot | timo: apt-cache search mplayer-plugin |
| 13:45.12 | timo_ | ah thanks |
| 13:45.14 | tarzeau | asg: i can upgrade it, let me check. but i really want gnu ssh instead of openssh |
| 13:45.42 | noerrors | but i do not recommend sid right now lol.. i have a ton of packages on hold |
| 13:45.49 | timo_ | cahoot: it didnt find anything |
| 13:46.13 | Valen | noerrors, so how do i fix this? |
| 13:46.19 | noerrors | i was basically lucky enough to get it installed.. then I just build it all from src and manage all the packages myself |
| 13:46.19 | cahoot | timo: huh? etch here mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org |
| 13:46.25 | Valen | this requires way more than i know |
| 13:47.02 | asg | tarzeau: why would you want gnu ssh? |
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| 13:47.10 | noerrors | Valen, are you on dialup? |
| 13:47.19 | tarzeau | asg: because i'm religious - j/k |
| 13:47.31 | timo_ | cahoot: well, here it doesn't find anything.. maybe due to my sources list? |
| 13:47.33 | Valen | cable |
| 13:47.41 | asg | tarzeau: WARNING: This is a work in progress, and may be totally insecure. (that requires some serious faith) |
| 13:47.44 | Valen | i dont want to dl another distro |
| 13:47.50 | cahoot | timo: ahh - marillat I suspect |
| 13:47.53 | noerrors | heh |
| 13:47.57 | Valen | i want to use this one and use it on clients boxen too |
| 13:48.11 | noerrors | debian is like a box of chocolates |
| 13:48.16 | tarzeau | asg: that's just a stupid comment of the debian maintainer/developer |
| 13:48.20 | tarzeau | asg: i've been using it for years |
| 13:48.33 | asg | still |
| 13:48.35 | Valen | this is a one line text file problem |
| 13:48.38 | tarzeau | asg: probably some anti gnu nazi |
| 13:48.41 | timo_ | cahoot what sources did you use when finding this plugin? |
| 13:48.49 | asg | tarzeau: like the OpenBSD folks ;) |
| 13:48.54 | tarzeau | trolls, yeah |
| 13:49.02 | cahoot | timo: try /msg dpkg marillat |
| 13:49.07 | timo_ | i'm like a OpenBSD folk |
| 13:49.08 | timo_ | :) |
| 13:49.14 | timo_ | ok |
| 13:49.17 | ajpr | is there a package name for firefox? |
| 13:49.24 | noerrors | Valandil, my suggestion would be to try and pass the correct module to load with grub at boot time |
| 13:49.27 | asg | ajpr: mozilla-firefox |
| 13:49.28 | noerrors | err Valen |
| 13:49.33 | ajpr | thanks asg |
| 13:49.34 | Valen | how? |
| 13:49.44 | Mage | ajpr: apt-cache search firefox |
| 13:50.09 | timo_ | thanks cahoot |
| 13:50.12 | ajpr | cool thanks mage |
| 13:50.18 | noerrors | ide have to look at the grub doc but there is a way |
| 13:50.20 | timo_ | i'll have to dig some now.. brb |
| 13:50.44 | Valen | ok quicker question |
| 13:50.47 | noerrors | if you know what module you need |
| 13:50.51 | Valen | yeah |
| 13:50.56 | ajpr | ok I have this problem with my internet connection... every address takes a long time to "find" but when i do a time host blah.com it gets the ip almost immediately (I'm using Debian3.1 installed yesterday from a minimalist cd install) |
| 13:50.58 | Valen | a100u2w |
| 13:51.32 | noerrors | ajpr, look at /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:51.33 | asg | ajpr: check /etc/resolv.conf (make sure the nameservers in there are your ISPs and are correct) |
| 13:51.43 | asg | s/Ps/P's/ |
| 13:51.43 | ajpr | ok |
| 13:51.47 | noerrors | heh |
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| 13:52.19 | tools | http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42823 |
| 13:52.20 | noerrors | someone tell mplayerhq to turn cvs back on |
| 13:52.20 | tools | http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42823 |
| 13:52.28 | asg | tools: fuck off |
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| 13:52.45 | ajpr | the first line has the word search |
| 13:52.48 | cahoot | asg: isn't that what he's displaying videos of? |
| 13:53.06 | mtl514 | tools? what is that about? |
| 13:53.13 | ajpr | and the next two lines are nameserver 192.168.0.1 and nameserver 212.159.13.50 |
| 13:53.18 | asg | cahoot: you are welcome to take a look and report back. |
| 13:53.18 | concept10 | mtl514, spa, |
| 13:53.22 | concept10 | spam |
| 13:53.27 | asg | ajpr: is 192.168.0.1 running a nameserver? |
| 13:53.27 | cahoot | asg: I pass |
| 13:53.32 | asg | cahoot: good choice |
| 13:53.33 | dvs | ajpr: The search line should contain your domain |
| 13:54.02 | ajpr | dvs, asg so how do i open it to edit it, it says read only |
| 13:54.10 | dvs | ajpr: as root |
| 13:54.13 | asg | ajpr: as root, editor /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:54.26 | dvs | ajpr: But I think asg hit it right on the head |
| 13:54.44 | ajpr | ok thanks |
| 13:56.04 | ajpr | hey guys, it workd! |
| 13:56.18 | dvs | ajpr: what did you do? |
| 13:56.24 | Valen | how would i "find" mkinitrd on my install setup? |
| 13:56.24 | ajpr | i removed the nameserver 192.168.0.1 and put my domain inplace of the search word and its working fine now |
| 13:56.26 | asg | removed 192.168.0.1 |
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| 13:56.37 | asg | Valen: it's in initrd-tools |
| 13:56.38 | omry_at_work | hi, I have a problem with my locale. many problems complains about not being able to set it. |
| 13:56.43 | omry_at_work | many programs |
| 13:56.52 | asg | Valen: locate, whereis, or find are other options |
| 13:56.55 | dvs | ajpr: In place? it should be after the "search" word |
| 13:57.04 | asg | omry_at_work: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:57.06 | tarzeau | damn i can't get this away: scp: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14 |
| 13:57.09 | ajpr | oh , like search arebanks.plus.com |
| 13:57.15 | dvs | ajpr: yes |
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| 13:57.17 | omry_at_work | asg, did it, it didn't help. (still happens) |
| 13:57.20 | ajpr | ok cool |
| 13:57.27 | Valen | <- has nfi where any of this stuff is lol |
| 13:57.34 | asg | tarzeau: are you running a grsec kernel or some nonex stack kernel patches? |
| 13:57.57 | asg | omry_at_work: paste one line of error then |
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| 13:58.07 | tarzeau | asg: nope. 2.2.19pre17 |
| 13:58.13 | tarzeau | don't laugh ;) |
| 13:58.15 | asg | tarzeau: well, you probably need a newer kernel |
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| 13:58.25 | omry_at_work | asg, man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
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| 13:58.29 | vivek | brb reboot to 2.6.13.... |
| 13:58.34 | timo_ | cahoot: you mean mozilla-plugin-vlc? |
| 13:58.35 | omry_at_work | asg, locale itself complains about something. |
| 13:58.50 | asg | omry_at_work: what does locale complain about? |
| 13:58.51 | noerrors | Valen, what if you try to boot off a floppy. doesnt the install give you the option to make a rescue disk? |
| 13:58.58 | jetx | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-common |
| 13:59.09 | jetx | it tries to set a locale that isn't selected |
| 13:59.11 | omry_at_work | asg, locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory (and a few more similar lines) |
| 13:59.11 | Valen | it does |
| 13:59.18 | Valen | i'll try it again |
| 13:59.18 | jetx | eng_gb specifically, here |
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| 13:59.29 | Valen | last time it just said grub with no command line |
| 13:59.30 | jetx | or en_gb rather |
| 13:59.51 | Valen | i'll install grub to /dev/fd0 |
| 14:00.11 | asg | omry_at_work: hmmm, you do have locales installed right? |
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| 14:00.35 | jetx | yes i got the same last night, sid, (installed correctly even) |
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| 14:00.47 | jetx | nice fresh install |
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| 14:00.56 | Mark62756 | hey everybody |
| 14:01.02 | asg | omry_at_work: also, presuming it is installed, when you did 'dpkg-reconfigure locales', did you pick one or more relevant ones from the list and install them? |
| 14:01.06 | omry_at_work | asg, apt-cache policy locales, locales: Installed: 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 14:01.17 | Mark62756 | i wanted to know how i can check my order of all the programs that launch at boot? |
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| 14:01.31 | asg | Mark62756: ls -l /etc/rc*.d |
| 14:01.34 | jetx | ls /etc/rc.2 |
| 14:01.40 | jetx | or what he said |
| 14:01.42 | asg | Mark62756: also, check /etc/init.d/README |
| 14:01.51 | Mark62756 | ahh thanks a lot :D |
| 14:01.54 | omry_at_work | asg, yes. en_US ISO-8859-1 and he_IL.UTF-8 UTF-8, I than chose en_US as the default |
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| 14:02.17 | dan2 | asg: ahoy |
| 14:02.18 | asg | omry_at_work: if you type 'perl --version', do you get a locales error? |
| 14:02.19 | Valen | noerrors, i think you were thinking of "boot modules" |
| 14:02.27 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 14:02.32 | jetx | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-common |
| 14:02.35 | dan2 | asg: I'm feeling successful already today |
| 14:02.43 | asg | dan2: excellent |
| 14:03.19 | dan2 | asg: things I've negotiated: Very good friend lost his password to laptop on windows, Me: need new car battery put in (trade) |
| 14:03.23 | jetx | ahh it's sunday, i forgot |
| 14:03.30 | asg | dan2: hah, nice |
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| 14:04.00 | jetx | dan2: you got ripped off :p |
| 14:04.05 | Valen | hmmm ok this thing is running initrd-tools to make the ramdrive |
| 14:04.08 | Valen | thats where its failing |
| 14:04.10 | dan2 | asg: my old boss has a project to put mp3s in preferable order due to some concocted rating system |
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| 14:04.19 | Valen | i needs to edit the file |
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| 14:04.23 | dan2 | asg: he first gave it to my old co-worker... but he didn't do it |
| 14:04.40 | dan2 | asg: my old co-worker is giving me his treo 600 in exchange for me helping him with the boss's project |
| 14:04.53 | dan2 | tell me how that is not a win win situation |
| 14:05.12 | asg | dan2: looks like Swap Shop is happening in the dan2 household |
| 14:05.19 | ajpr | well i have one more problem, my sound system is apparently in use so i cant hear anything.... is there any simple command to fix it? :] |
| 14:05.34 | dan2 | asg: the treo 600 has a bad battery, but the battery can be replaced for under 20 bucks |
| 14:05.36 | asg | ajpr: find what's using it (fuser, lsof) |
| 14:05.38 | asg | dan2: indeed |
| 14:05.45 | noerrors | yah.. i was just looking at the grub doc and i was thinking boot modules |
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| 14:05.48 | ajpr | ok asg |
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| 14:06.17 | gart_ | A |
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| 14:06.22 | timo_ | cahoot: it's installed, i can see on my switch that it is transfering data, as with reak player but still no sound : |
| 14:06.25 | tarzeau | B |
| 14:06.30 | asg | G |
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| 14:06.54 | dan2 | asg: sounds like a deal to me |
| 14:07.07 | asg | dan2: yeah |
| 14:07.30 | dan2 | asg: the treo 600 has a builtin mp3 player and other stuff which can be supplemented by adding an SD card |
| 14:07.31 | jetx | ah ajpr is back after a nice restful sleep, ready to tackle the problem's solution that eluded him last night... very good. |
| 14:07.35 | timo_ | maybe configure mplayer itself will help |
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| 14:07.54 | ajpr | yes i am jetx :] |
| 14:07.56 | asg | dan2: yeah, work gave me a Dell Axim X30. It's useful for plaing mp3s |
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| 14:08.10 | tarzeau | asg: photo? |
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| 14:08.27 | omry_at_work | asg, sorry, glitch in my network. any thing I missed about my locale problem? |
| 14:08.30 | ajpr | when i type in lsof i get like a million lines and i cant see it all as it scrolls too far off the page, what am i looking for exactly? |
| 14:08.36 | asg | tarzeau: http://www.aximsite.com/x30review/ |
| 14:08.43 | cahoot | timo: mixer setting ? perms issue? |
| 14:08.54 | asg | omry_at_work: other than jetx saying 'dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-common' |
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| 14:09.18 | tarzeau | asg: how much storage? |
| 14:09.18 | omry_at_work | asg, did that. didn't help :( |
| 14:09.25 | tarzeau | asg: battery playtime? |
| 14:09.39 | jetx | i have yet to get that error again |
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| 14:09.46 | jetx | after doing that.. hmmm |
| 14:09.51 | timo_ | cahoot: no sound works fine otherwise, in xmms for ie, or all those fancy sounds in kde |
| 14:09.56 | jetx | but not much testing |
| 14:09.59 | dan2 | asg: it'll be fun |
| 14:10.27 | asg | tarzeau: 32/32 + 256M SD Card. Battery life is quite good (usually a week or so turned off, several days with standard usage.) |
| 14:10.28 | cahoot | timo: try fuser -v /dev/dsp |
| 14:10.46 | tarzeau | asg: standard usage= play mp3 on the go? |
| 14:11.10 | dan2 | asg: the only thing left is to see if I can the bastards at verizon to swap the phones painlessly |
| 14:11.46 | asg | tarzeau: no, it's a pocket pc based pda. It has a windows media player that can play mp3s. You can remap some of the keys to provide shortcuts. |
| 14:12.01 | asg | dan2: good luck, Verizon are cocks |
| 14:12.20 | timo_ | cahoot: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 14:12.21 | tarzeau | asg: ah, i like my nexus then |
| 14:12.28 | tarzeau | 2e, for only playing mp3 |
| 14:12.33 | dan2 | asg: I'm sealed into a 2 year license agreement, and I'm hoping that by just changing the phone and not the service |
| 14:12.35 | dan2 | it should be painless\ |
| 14:12.42 | cahoot | timo: problably your real problem - modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 14:12.50 | asg | tarzeau: I really need to get a standalone ogg player; just haven't gotten around to it yet. |
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| 14:12.52 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 14:12.52 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 14:13.06 | asg | dan2: maybe |
| 14:13.31 | ThePiratemaster | what does it mean when /etc/shadow has "!" set as a password? |
| 14:13.34 | jak__ | hi. is apt-get the right tool when i want to know if a given file exists in any package? i want to find out in which package it is... thx! |
| 14:13.45 | asg | ajpr: lsof | grep dsp or fuser -v /dev/dsp |
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| 14:13.51 | dan2 | asg: if they charge me anything in excess 50 bucks, I'll sue em ;) |
| 14:13.53 | timo_ | mhm, because i had to set xmms to use alsa, not open sound system to make it play music |
| 14:14.00 | asg | jak__: apt-file |
| 14:14.04 | drac | jak__: Install apt-file.. |
| 14:14.13 | asg | it's currently not installable on unstable though |
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| 14:14.17 | jak__ | asg: ok, thx |
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| 14:14.27 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 14:14.52 | asg | ThePiratemaster: that there is a non-usable (i.e. locked password.) |
| 14:14.57 | cahoot | timo: realplayer uses /dev/dsp - i e alsas oss emulation |
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| 14:15.43 | timo_ | cahoot: so i do as described above to create /dev/dsp? |
| 14:15.54 | ThePiratemaster | whatever i type at login for the pass word i cannot get trough |
| 14:16.07 | vivek | Bac9: it seems aptitude has linux-2.6.13-1 ... i upgraded to it and the udev problem is gone ... |
| 14:16.13 | ThePiratemaster | (im inn a chrootjail and im going over ssh) |
| 14:16.16 | asg | ThePiratemaster: if the entry in /etc/shadow for the user has a '!' at the beginning, the password won't work |
| 14:16.23 | ThePiratemaster | how do iset a proper password |
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| 14:16.46 | asg | ThePiratemaster: well, if ssh is running in a chroot jail, there needs to be a compatible /etc/shadow in there as well. |
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| 14:17.02 | jetx | WinNT@thehenryfamily.plus.com <--security is NOT an issue here |
| 14:17.18 | asg | ThePiratemaster: or login as root, passwd <user> |
| 14:17.24 | ThePiratemaster | did that |
| 14:17.28 | Bac9 | vivek: or you could've just downgraded udev |
| 14:17.29 | ThePiratemaster | no effect |
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| 14:17.44 | asg | ThePiratemaster: via the chrooted ssh? |
| 14:17.57 | ThePiratemaster | no via the normal ssh |
| 14:18.02 | ThePiratemaster | not in the jail |
| 14:18.08 | asg | ThePiratemaster: well, that isn't going to affect the jail at all is it |
| 14:18.13 | ThePiratemaster | (im not that stupid :P) |
| 14:18.27 | timo_ | modprobe snd-pcm-oss did it - thank you! |
| 14:18.29 | ThePiratemaster | root isnt in the jail |
| 14:18.42 | ThePiratemaster | how can i edit the password? |
| 14:18.44 | asg | ThePiratemaster: but the user is right |
| 14:18.49 | ThePiratemaster | ya |
| 14:18.49 | timo_ | i learn something new every day and i write it all down |
| 14:19.05 | timo_ | i'll let it in /etc/modules now |
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| 14:19.18 | asg | ThePiratemaster: wait, are you running two sshds? |
| 14:19.19 | ThePiratemaster | but now you're tellnig to get root in the jail to change the password (do you? O_O) |
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| 14:19.45 | ThePiratemaster | one in the jail and one out of the jail |
| 14:20.09 | ThePiratemaster | i used jailkit to make the jail |
| 14:20.10 | asg | ThePiratemaster: then login as root (outside of the jail), chroot /jail /bin/bash, passwd <user> |
| 14:21.03 | ThePiratemaster | where /jail is the path to the jail? |
| 14:21.09 | asg | yes |
| 14:21.13 | harleyg | is there any *step-by-step* guides to debootstrap? |
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| 14:21.27 | asg | harleyg: debootstrap --help ; man debootstrap |
| 14:21.32 | asg | harleyg: there isn't much to it |
| 14:21.34 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 14:21.48 | harleyg | well it doesnt really help much |
| 14:21.55 | ThePiratemaster | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash,': No such file or directory |
| 14:21.57 | harleyg | man page is *poo* |
| 14:22.03 | ThePiratemaster | use /home/jail/bin/bash? |
| 14:22.04 | asg | harleyg: the EXAMPLE at the bottom |
| 14:22.10 | harleyg | yes |
| 14:22.13 | harleyg | thats rubbish |
| 14:22.16 | asg | ThePiratemaster: no, chroot /home/jail /bin/bash |
| 14:22.19 | ajpr | ok so i now have the pid of the process i want to kill, how do i kill it? |
| 14:22.32 | asg | ajpr: kill(1) |
| 14:22.52 | asg | harleyg: then google or look at debian-administration.org |
| 14:23.18 | asg | harleyg: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 14:23.28 | timo_ | both real player and windows media streams works now, but better quality with windows... |
| 14:23.32 | harleyg | i have chroot... |
| 14:23.39 | ajpr | asg: thanks |
| 14:23.47 | jetx | death to rp! |
| 14:24.08 | asg | death to ftp! |
| 14:24.08 | ThePiratemaster | the jail doesnt have the passwd binairy |
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| 14:24.23 | ThePiratemaster | bash: passwd: command not found |
| 14:24.27 | asg | ThePiratemaster: then it isn't a full chroot. You need to do some research. |
| 14:24.53 | asg | ThePiratemaster: everything that a chrooted program needs must be in the chroot including devices, shared libraries, files, etc. |
| 14:25.06 | ThePiratemaster | lss /bin/bash and cpy all the binairies andl ibs to the jail/ |
| 14:25.11 | ThePiratemaster | ? |
| 14:25.40 | asg | ThePiratemaster: ldd, not lss |
| 14:25.50 | asg | ThePiratemaster: what are you trying to accomplish, by the way. |
| 14:26.28 | ThePiratemaster | to get user "test" logged in his jail over shh |
| 14:26.34 | ThePiratemaster | but whatever passwd i type |
| 14:26.39 | ThePiratemaster | its not eccapting it |
| 14:26.45 | ThePiratemaster | *accepting |
| 14:26.46 | asg | ThePiratemaster: why don't you use libpam-chroot |
| 14:26.58 | ThePiratemaster | caz i never heard of it |
| 14:27.01 | ThePiratemaster | what is it |
| 14:27.17 | asg | ThePiratemaster: it's a pam module that chroots a user to his/her home directory after authentication. |
| 14:27.23 | asg | ThePiratemaster: apt-cache show libpam-chroot |
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| 14:27.52 | ThePiratemaster | that doesnt reguire a jail doesnt it? |
| 14:28.10 | asg | ThePiratemaster: the $HOME is the jail. |
| 14:28.32 | ThePiratemaster | i'll give it a go |
| 14:28.37 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
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| 14:29.16 | ajpr | hmm X crashed :] |
| 14:29.43 | absence | has anyone successfully gotten reiser4 to work on root with debian and initrd? |
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| 14:29.52 | mememe | hi |
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| 14:30.38 | jetx | http://tremulous.net/ |
| 14:30.44 | ajpr | ok right, im still soundless.... no idea what to try now, ! |
| 14:30.45 | mememe | I'm configuring bind, I found that when I ping the server's IP It will resolve each time to each of the zones I have configured, does anyone knows how to disable this? |
| 14:30.59 | denismpa | Hey, someone here can help me about DNS? |
| 14:31.07 | tarzeau | ok this sucks: mv: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14 |
| 14:31.11 | metaperl | I want to setup the default geometry from gnome-terminal to be 2.5 times longer than it currently is. How do I do this? |
| 14:31.22 | tarzeau | haha not even ls works anymore |
| 14:31.34 | tarzeau | i'm so fucked. this is my NAT device. LOL |
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| 14:31.57 | tarzeau | at least ipchains works. still |
| 14:32.01 | nagual_ | tarzeau: have fun :) |
| 14:32.11 | tarzeau | nagual: thanks, sure will have some |
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| 14:32.35 | nagual | tarzeau: easy to move? |
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| 14:32.43 | jetx | metaperl: change the font does it |
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| 14:32.54 | tarzeau | nagual: move where? this is the system with the largest harddisk (2 gb) |
| 14:33.05 | metaperl | jetx: no, I just want the terminal lines to be more |
| 14:33.07 | ajpr | so ive googled for this problem but nothing makes sense :] |
| 14:33.13 | jim | metaperl: find x size, mul 2.5, store. find y size, mul 2.5, store. now use these values. |
| 14:33.14 | metaperl | I could supply a geometry string, but I want to use .Xdfeaults |
| 14:33.20 | ajpr | can someone help me with my sound system? |
| 14:33.23 | jetx | metaperl: not sure |
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| 14:33.27 | metaperl | jim: how to write the .Xdefaults file? |
| 14:33.44 | FieldySnuts | uh, with an editor |
| 14:33.48 | metaperl | maybe googling for .Xdefaults geometry is a better option |
| 14:33.51 | jim | you would have to read it, find where to put the thing, write it out |
| 14:33.54 | metaperl | FieldySnuts: syntax? |
| 14:33.56 | asg | ajpr: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 14:34.22 | asg | ajpr: also, there should be some info in our wiki-faq (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/) |
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| 14:34.48 | jim | but do you want to do this -automatically-? (have the computer parse and form tree, add your thing to tree, write tree out as .xdefaults) |
| 14:34.49 | GameJunky | does anyone know about DSL? Damn Small Linux? i've installed it to the hard drive and it keeps starting DHCP for the internet.. my network doesn't use that, i've gotta run ifconfig or netcardconfig every time to start the internet.. which isn't a goiod thing because this computer will have no keyboard/mouse/monitor when i get it setup. anyone know how to make it start the ifconfig stuff on it's own? |
| 14:35.01 | asg | GameJunky: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:35.03 | jim | or, do you just want to do it this once? |
| 14:35.06 | jetx | ajpr: what worked for me, (the first time, later it became easier) was to remove hotplug and discover after learning what modules they load, and putting them in /etc/modules . aka do it yourself. |
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| 14:35.21 | mememe | ok, I got it right now... |
| 14:35.21 | mememe | bye |
| 14:35.34 | ajpr | thanks guys, but i have no idea what you mean ! |
| 14:35.42 | asg | !tell ajpr about audio |
| 14:35.47 | ajpr | he has :] |
| 14:35.49 | Althaser | how can i install mame on sarge ? please |
| 14:35.53 | ajpr | modconf command not found |
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| 14:36.14 | takatumi | ajpr: install it, it's a package. |
| 14:36.23 | ajpr | ok thanks takatumi |
| 14:36.27 | mwilson | "to start the internet"... /me dies laughing... |
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| 14:36.46 | victors | hello how can i disable or turn off the wpa-psk? |
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| 14:36.52 | tarzeau | asg: i'm not sure if i should reboot |
| 14:37.07 | tarzeau | asg: because if i do, maybe the NAT box don't run anymore at all. now it works (except ssh,ls etc) |
| 14:37.07 | asg | tarzeau: given the state of your system, I don't blame you. |
| 14:37.28 | tarzeau | i'll just be pissed when i have a power outage |
| 14:37.42 | GameJunky | it seems to have it all in there asg, everything i entered when i ran netcardconfig. but when i boot the system up it automaticaly starts DHCP :-/ although, i dont know what this "auto lo eth0" and "iface lo inet loopback" does, would that be the problem? |
| 14:38.07 | asg | GameJunky: do you have 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in there? |
| 14:38.10 | jetx | just unplug the wire from the switch from the motherboard |
| 14:38.11 | mwilson | GameJunky: No, that would not be the problem. |
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| 14:38.22 | GameJunky | no theres nothing about dhcp in there |
| 14:38.23 | jetx | and the reset button also |
| 14:38.32 | jetx | glue the power cable into the psu |
| 14:38.42 | jetx | and the cord in the socket |
| 14:38.58 | asg | GameJunky: then start looking in /etc/init.d and find what is erroneously starting dhcp. DSL may have done something silly. |
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| 14:39.28 | jetx | look for pump, and others, GameJunky |
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| 14:40.46 | ajpr | ok ive done all that dpkg said, but i am still soundless |
| 14:41.06 | ajpr | i have the driver, im a member of the audio group and ive installed and run aumix |
| 14:41.10 | asg | ajpr: if you type 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp', what happens |
| 14:41.12 | jetx | did you do the alsa-bork thing? |
| 14:41.24 | cahoot | ajpr: mixing alsa and oss? |
| 14:41.27 | jetx | do they ALL say snd-* |
| 14:41.30 | mwilson | Gods, the DSL web site is claiming "installs to HD as Debian". |
| 14:41.33 | ajpr | nothing happens |
| 14:41.42 | ajpr | mixing alsa and oss? |
| 14:41.49 | asg | mwilson: As Seen on TV (TM) |
| 14:41.50 | mwilson | Another distro creator that should be shot. <sigh> |
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| 14:42.12 | cahoot | ajpr: as in having both oos module and alsa module loaded |
| 14:42.18 | cahoot | oss |
| 14:42.20 | Bac9 | ajpr: are you running any software sound mixers? |
| 14:42.25 | ajpr | maybe i do, how do i find that out cahoot? |
| 14:42.32 | mwilson | jetx: I'm not stupid enough to make one. |
| 14:42.38 | ajpr | Bac9, i dont know |
| 14:42.42 | jetx | i'd check it out if you did |
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| 14:42.49 | Bac9 | mwilson: huh? who's claiming to be debian? |
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| 14:42.58 | mwilson | Bac9: DSL |
| 14:43.19 | Bac9 | mwilson: I don't follow, DSL is a brodband internet service type |
| 14:43.26 | jetx | !dsl |
| 14:43.26 | dpkg | somebody said dsl was Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
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| 14:43.58 | GameJunky | well i dont know, i guess i put put the ifconfig command in the bootlocal? maybe that will start it up when i boot |
| 14:44.01 | GameJunky | im hoping |
| 14:44.02 | jetx | it would be the last one if you didn't notice |
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| 14:44.33 | asg | GameJunky: better to find out what DSL did to break Debian's standard network configuration. |
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| 14:45.06 | ajpr | i have 3 modules loaded in kernel/sound/pci |
| 14:45.11 | ajpr | should i only have one? |
| 14:45.16 | jetx | uh |
| 14:45.25 | jetx | worng-o i think, ajpr |
| 14:45.32 | jetx | ls doesn't do it |
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| 14:45.51 | ajpr | jetx: what do u mean? |
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| 14:46.10 | Bac9 | ajpr: turn off any software sound mixers like arts or esd before trying to cat anything to /dev/dsp |
| 14:46.15 | jetx | i mean ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/whatever isn't what you want to know |
| 14:46.29 | Althaser | how can i install xmame in sarge ? please |
| 14:46.35 | jetx | ah nm this would be modconf |
| 14:46.40 | FieldySnuts | !info xmame |
| 14:46.44 | ajpr | bac9 i dont know how to do that |
| 14:46.44 | mwilson | I don't know why I'd WANT to ever waste my time with DSL, but it's obviously not difficult. |
| 14:46.46 | FieldySnuts | ~info xmame |
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| 14:46.57 | GameJunky | when doing cat | grep on a bunch of files .. is there a way to see which string is in which file? instead of just guessing.. |
| 14:46.59 | silensius | must i add in sources.list a secutity ligne in debian SID ? |
| 14:47.05 | jetx | ajpr: what you want to know is if every sound module you have loaded starts with snd- |
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| 14:47.12 | Bac9 | ajpr: let me guess, you're using kde? it's somewhere inthe controll pannel thingy |
| 14:47.18 | asg | GameJunky: use grep <bunch o files> |
| 14:47.24 | jetx | no silensius unless you mean the gpg keys |
| 14:47.28 | ajpr | ok jetx |
| 14:47.37 | ajpr | and how do i do that? :! |
| 14:47.48 | pureone | gamejunky man grep |
| 14:47.51 | asg | GameJunky: no need to use cat there |
| 14:48.01 | silensius | jets : the gpg keys ? |
| 14:48.03 | nvz | is sd and mmc the same thing? |
| 14:48.14 | jetx | by looking at every single sound section in modconf is one way, there is a faster better way but i don't know it |
| 14:48.25 | GameJunky | thanks, found something in knoppix-autoconfig |
| 14:48.32 | ajpr | ok thanks jetx |
| 14:48.42 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: gender? |
| 14:48.43 | ravenbird | I'm gay |
| 14:48.44 | jetx | silensius: like if you're using the marillat depository and get a gpg key error |
| 14:48.57 | silensius | yes it's normal |
| 14:49.03 | nagual | ravenbird: im female, want to have sex? |
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| 14:49.04 | ravenbird | nagual: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:49.06 | thingfish | yay for ravenbird! |
| 14:49.06 | jetx | silensius: if you mean a security source, like in stable, sid doesn't use them. |
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| 14:49.13 | silensius | ok |
| 14:49.16 | nagual | bot |
| 14:49.22 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 14:49.38 | GameJunky | yep, i need to use nodhcp as a boot option ? it shows in this file that if i use that it will skip dhcp :) |
| 14:49.41 | tarzeau | asg: were you kidding about not blaming me? |
| 14:49.46 | denismpa | I had updated my MX entry in My DNS server. but now some domains send mails to my new MX and some anothers send it to my old MX. Can someone help me? |
| 14:49.51 | asg | tarzeau: ? |
| 14:50.04 | tarzeau | 16:37 < asg> tarzeau: given the state of your system, I don't blame you. |
| 14:50.07 | silensius | jetx :what's must i do for never have a gpg keys error when i do a apt-get update |
| 14:50.10 | asg | denismpa: wait till the TTL is up. |
| 14:50.16 | ThePiratemaster | asg, can you help the fixing the jail we discussed earlier? |
| 14:50.27 | ThePiratemaster | libpam doesnt make any sense to me |
| 14:50.40 | FieldySnuts | nor does pam |
| 14:50.41 | jetx | denismpa: how long since you changed the record? > 24 hours? |
| 14:50.43 | asg | tarzeau: did you reboot it? |
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| 14:51.08 | jetx | silensius: which repository? the normal sid ones should 'just work' iirc |
| 14:51.09 | ThePiratemaster | could i copy the password in /etc/shadow from another users, logg-in, and then change it? |
| 14:51.10 | tarzeau | asg: no way i will try that now |
| 14:51.33 | Bac9 | ThePiratemaster: don't forget to md5 it |
| 14:51.40 | denismpa | asg: i changeg it yesterday, and I still having problems... |
| 14:51.42 | ThePiratemaster | ... |
| 14:51.50 | asg | ThePiratemaster: http://www.tjw.org/chroot-login-HOWTO/ (google for others) |
| 14:51.50 | ThePiratemaster | i copy it from another user in shadow |
| 14:51.56 | ThePiratemaster | its already md5-ed |
| 14:52.07 | ThePiratemaster | with the same key as the other user i cpy it from |
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| 14:52.17 | Bac9 | ThePiratemaster: then don't chnage it |
| 14:52.22 | Bac9 | change* |
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| 14:52.55 | GameJunky | ok, no another question.. where do i add boot params.. ? |
| 14:52.55 | ThePiratemaster | bac9, do you know what ur taling about? |
| 14:53.21 | denismpa | asg: I had a stranger situation that i sent one may to two recipients in my domain. One received it on the new MX and the another received it on the old MX. :s |
| 14:53.45 | Bac9 | ThePiratemaster: "<ThePiratemaster> could i copy the password in /etc/shadow from another users, logg-in, and then change it?" you can copy but if you make a new one you'd have to md5 it |
| 14:53.46 | nkuttler_ | GameJunky: in the config file of your bootloader |
| 14:53.50 | ajpr | ok 1 last question, with how do i unmute and raise the sound with alsa, i mean whats the program called to load it? |
| 14:53.55 | asg | denismpa: until the TTL has expired for all upstream servers that have sent mail to you, you are going to see odd behavior |
| 14:54.08 | asg | denismpa: you might want to consult #dns for more information. |
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| 14:54.25 | asg | ajpr: alsamixer iirc |
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| 14:54.36 | jetx | dpkg, marillat-key is <reply> gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 14:54.36 | dpkg | okay, jetx |
| 14:54.44 | ajpr | thanks |
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| 14:55.30 | jetx | !tell silensius about marillat-key |
| 14:55.38 | GameJunky | alright here goes, hope this works |
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| 14:56.03 | torc_ | how do i change the default keymap on powerpc? |
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| 14:56.04 | silensius | how can i tell you ? |
| 14:56.16 | denismpa | asg: thanks :) |
| 14:56.18 | asg | torc_: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:56.43 | jetx | silensius: you can amend that command to do any repository, just find out the key you need to d/l |
| 14:56.43 | torc_ | thx. |
| 14:56.49 | TNKS | hi all. What Debian mirrors are recommended for States-side apt-ing? |
| 14:56.59 | asg | !mirrors |
| 14:57.00 | dpkg | mirrors is probably at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 14:57.04 | jetx | ftp.us.debian.org functions |
| 14:57.11 | asg | TNKS: look at the list, find the closest one to you. |
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| 14:57.19 | TNKS | asg, thanks. |
| 14:57.47 | shingouz | in openoffice 1.1.1, what the hell should i look for to turn off the annoying autocompletion when writing? i keep missing the option in the huge prefs dialog |
| 14:57.54 | nagual | TNKS: so ill sell you map, so you get the one most close to you |
| 14:57.58 | asg | shingouz: #debian-oo will know |
| 14:58.03 | ulitz | I have recently setup a webcam and now I can't seem to get my microphone to work.. but when testing it in gnomemeeting it works.. any ideas? |
| 14:58.05 | umbop | hey guys, does anyone know why i can't set a wep key 128 bit, on my wireless router, and make it work with my wireless card, when i try to set the wireless card to the use key it doesn't work |
| 14:58.13 | jetx | apt-get remove --purge oo would do the job nicely... |
| 14:58.13 | shingouz | oh. of course |
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| 14:58.30 | nagual | ulitz: i have a lot of ideas, especially since you are saying its working and its not working |
| 14:58.32 | Bac9 | shingouz: it's part of the autotext/completion dialogs |
| 14:58.44 | asg | umbop: apt-get install wireless-tools ; man 7 wireless ; man 8 iwconfig |
| 14:58.48 | shingouz | lemmesee.. |
| 14:59.12 | TBBle | Hmm. After changing login.defs (replacing MAIL_DIR with QMAIL_DIR) I'm not seeing the new setting when I ssh in. I restarted sshd, is there something else I need to cycle? |
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| 14:59.21 | shingouz | Bac9: woo. thanks :) |
| 14:59.22 | umbop | asg: i've read that already |
| 14:59.24 | Bac9 | shingouz: there's at least a thing there to change the key used to use the completion |
| 14:59.28 | ulitz | nagual: yeah.. I think I got it |
| 14:59.41 | umbop | i know how to set the key, as i can see it set through iwconfig ath0 , etc, in the hex format, but yet, it doesn't work |
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| 14:59.52 | ajpr | anyone know how i can find the oss drivername? |
| 15:00.08 | jetx | ajpr: what chipset |
| 15:00.11 | asg | umbop: did you set key mode open (that is often required if your AP is set that way) |
| 15:00.11 | Bac9 | ajpr: google |
| 15:00.12 | jetx | sound chip |
| 15:00.13 | ajpr | SB16 |
| 15:00.19 | Bac9 | ajpr: sb |
| 15:00.25 | shingouz | Bac9, asg: autocorrect -> word completion is the place and i keep on going through the preferecnces :p /me needs a caffeine injection |
| 15:00.33 | umbop | nah i set it to restricted |
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| 15:00.42 | jetx | note that you need to lose the alsa shit if you go oss |
| 15:00.42 | Bac9 | shingouz: enjoy :-) |
| 15:00.46 | FieldySnuts | badgers |
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| 15:01.03 | umbop | hmm let me try open then |
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| 15:01.24 | ajpr | i google but it makes no sense |
| 15:01.25 | ulitz | any idea of when gnome 2.10 will go to testing? |
| 15:01.43 | jetx | not today, naughty-lust won't install in sid |
| 15:01.45 | Bac9 | ajpr: sb is oss driver ofr soundblaster |
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| 15:02.43 | Bac9 | ajpr: snd_sb should be the one for alsa |
| 15:02.53 | ajpr | ok so i can put in /etc/discover.conf "skip sb" |
| 15:03.10 | jetx | ajpr and do the hotplug one also |
| 15:03.16 | ajpr | ok cool thanks |
| 15:03.25 | TNKS | asg, the netselect-apt package seems kind of sweet. |
| 15:03.35 | jetx | both hotplug and discover load stuff... why 2, btw channel? |
| 15:03.48 | jetx | why not just discover, OR hotplug.. why both? |
| 15:04.24 | ajpr | hmm its saying that it cant open /etc/discover.conf for writing when i try saving it |
| 15:04.24 | Bac9 | jetx: discover does initial hardware discovery, hotplug runs while comp runs |
| 15:04.40 | jetx | but both run on_boot |
| 15:05.06 | Bac9 | jetx: hotplug is a daemon, discover is not I believe |
| 15:05.19 | Bac9 | jetx: hotplug can't find everything discover can |
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| 15:05.36 | Karnaugh | uhm |
| 15:05.39 | Karnaugh | pgadmin3: Depends: libwxgtk2.5.3 |
| 15:05.45 | ajpr | so hmm should i close X and try editing discover.conf? |
| 15:05.49 | Bac9 | jetx: and for everything else there's /etc/modules |
| 15:05.49 | Karnaugh | that package doesnt even exist |
| 15:05.52 | jetx | and you run sid and it's not installable |
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| 15:06.14 | jetx | ajpr: both discover and hotplug load stuff. |
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| 15:06.25 | jetx | so... no idea. |
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| 15:06.26 | Karnaugh | jetx: of course. which idiot added a dependancy that doesnt exist? |
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| 15:06.39 | ajpr | i cant open discover.conf for writing it telsl me |
| 15:06.46 | jetx | as root |
| 15:07.03 | jetx | Karnaugh: i have a long list of em |
| 15:07.14 | mwilson | Karnaugh: So file a bug. |
| 15:07.14 | binghe | Hi, Can pgadmin3 be built using postgresql-8.0's lib? |
| 15:07.15 | jetx | uninstallable files, not idiots :) |
| 15:07.29 | radmin | hi you guys does anyone run xchat? |
| 15:07.33 | mwilson | It's only unstable, after all. |
| 15:07.35 | asg | TNKS: never used it myself |
| 15:07.38 | jetx | mwilson has the idiotlist |
| 15:07.52 | jetx | you should post it :) |
| 15:07.54 | Karnaugh | mwilson: unstable doesnt have to account for sillyness |
| 15:07.54 | FieldySnuts | that's a long list |
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| 15:08.01 | binghe | ... I found debian's pgadmin3 using pg7.x |
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| 15:08.16 | mwilson | Karnaugh: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 15:08.17 | FieldySnuts | Karnaugh: no but if you don't know how to solve your own problems you should not run it |
| 15:08.35 | jetx | slang1 is another btw |
| 15:08.43 | FieldySnuts | jetx: another what |
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| 15:08.54 | jetx | uninstallable package in sid atm |
| 15:08.59 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 15:09.00 | Karnaugh | FieldySnuts: well, of course I could sit resolving dependancies by self compiling gtk - but then I might as well be running Gentoo, hmmm. |
| 15:09.06 | jetx | or not available rather |
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| 15:09.09 | FieldySnuts | ~troll Karnaugh |
| 15:09.09 | apt | ACTION hereby declares Karnaugh a troll |
| 15:09.10 | Karnaugh | there are reasons I dont run Sarge or Woody |
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| 15:09.28 | mwilson | Karnaugh: Or you could actually have a clue and know what unstable is, huh? |
| 15:09.50 | jetx | ya'll are too jaded |
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| 15:09.57 | jetx | i know the feeling |
| 15:10.14 | binghe | Hi, These's no slang1 & slang1a-utf8 in the mirror, why? |
| 15:10.21 | jetx | LOL |
| 15:10.26 | jetx | roflmao |
| 15:10.28 | asg | jetx: it's hard not to be after spending 4 or 5 years in hear listening to the same type of people complaining about sid |
| 15:10.35 | Karnaugh | mwilson: Yes, it means one enjoys the benefits of packages <1 year old |
| 15:10.35 | FieldySnuts | asg: yeah. |
| 15:10.48 | FieldySnuts | Karnaugh: then you can enjoy the benefits of fixing it when it breaks |
| 15:10.59 | Karnaugh | mwilson: but has to put up with some crack smoking, and general ignorance from people who declare it unusable |
| 15:11.01 | mwilson | Karnaugh: Awww, poor baby. And you get to keep all the pieces when it breaks, too. |
| 15:11.04 | FieldySnuts | wow. |
| 15:11.06 | jetx | binghe: quit running sid |
| 15:11.10 | FieldySnuts | not wasting my time on this tit anymore |
| 15:11.20 | mwilson | Karnaugh: Funny, no one has declared it unusable. |
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| 15:11.36 | FieldySnuts | just a case of user error |
| 15:11.44 | FieldySnuts | remember, it's the softwares fault. honestly! |
| 15:11.55 | jetx | kdelibs4 isn't installable in sid either but that's slang1 i think |
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| 15:12.20 | priest | is there a way to start a program minimized in gnome? |
| 15:12.20 | silensius | jetx, thanks now i untherstand what's gpg |
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| 15:12.22 | asg | jetx: sid exists for people to test and file bugs, not for newer packages. If you want newer packages, go use gentoo or one of the BSDs. |
| 15:12.32 | Valen | anybody got any ideas on how i can fix an incorrect initrd image that tries to load an incorrect scsi driver? |
| 15:12.33 | Rickyx | Hi, Can anyone suggest some good documentation on setting up a "Linux Build Server" |
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| 15:12.51 | FieldySnuts | Rickyx: maybe, but what do you mean by that term |
| 15:13.07 | asg | Rickyx: lots of memory, fast and large disks. |
| 15:13.07 | Valen | and just to make things interesting, the system dosent boot, this is an attempt at an install |
| 15:13.15 | jetx | np silensius sorry i couldn't explain better |
| 15:13.17 | Rickyx | FieldySnuts: I have one physical server on which I want to setup multiple release environments. |
| 15:13.28 | FieldySnuts | Rickyx: okay, over my head |
| 15:13.31 | Rickyx | asg: Hardware Resource isn't an issue. |
| 15:13.33 | jetx | asg: i love you man, give me your fucking beer dude! |
| 15:13.44 | asg | jetx: can't, only have one left and it's mine. |
| 15:13.50 | jetx | :( |
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| 15:14.00 | silensius | my inglis is not better also :) |
| 15:14.26 | asg | jetx: you can have one when I replensish my stocks this afternoon. |
| 15:14.33 | asg | s/nsi/is/ |
| 15:14.36 | jetx | silensius: it's a lot better than my (spanish/french/dutch/thai/korean/japanese/other) |
| 15:14.42 | asg | bah |
| 15:14.48 | Valen | problem is the initrd script has an incorrect entry in it |
| 15:14.51 | darkapp | anyone in here good at troubleshooting gdm? |
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| 15:15.02 | jetx | /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 15:15.16 | Valen | i'd like to fix that on the installer but dont know how |
| 15:15.17 | silensius | jetx : how can i resolve this |
| 15:15.19 | silensius | http://ftp.oleane.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public keyis not available: NO_PUBKEY BB5E459A529B8BDA |
| 15:15.22 | darkapp | i'll start there and browse, thanx.. |
| 15:15.29 | asg | silensius: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 15:15.34 | silensius | ok |
| 15:15.44 | jetx | silensius: find out which key you need to d/l and 'just do it' |
| 15:15.53 | silensius | but where |
| 15:16.04 | jetx | !apt secure |
| 15:16.04 | dpkg | well, apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
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| 15:16.40 | TNKS | Are there packages in the "stable" distro that aren't also in "testing"? Does it make sense to source.list both? |
| 15:17.04 | kl1 | hi, if i install totem, where is the directory on etc? |
| 15:17.10 | jetx | !fr |
| 15:17.10 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
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| 15:17.16 | asg | TNKS: mixing stable and testing will lead to pain in time. Stick with one or the other. |
| 15:17.26 | jetx | might be a bit more legible |
| 15:17.29 | silensius | dpkg :) ils dorments ::)) |
| 15:17.37 | jetx | ah |
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| 15:18.03 | TNKS | asg, I actually have been running with both for some time. I haven't run into any problems yet, but I'm curious what kind of pains I could have had. |
| 15:18.08 | goccia | Valen: you said "root is set to /dev/sda4" for all i know sda4 is for iomega drive |
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| 15:18.38 | jetx | the key you need should be available somewhere under oleane.net , but you might need to either jsut find it, or email them |
| 15:18.39 | asg | TNKS: eventually, stable and testing will diverge to a point where you need more testing than stable. Also, it is harder for us to help debug your problems. |
| 15:18.45 | jetx | silensius: ^^ |
| 15:18.49 | silensius | ok |
| 15:18.56 | silensius | i understood now |
| 15:19.32 | TNKS | asg, okay. I'll remove the stable lines from my source.list and see if my packages still look fine in aptitude or synaptic. |
| 15:19.34 | ajpr | thanks all, i have finally got sound working |
| 15:19.39 | ajpr | kinda :] |
| 15:19.40 | jetx | \o/ |
| 15:19.53 | asg | TNKS: you might need to 'dist-upgrade' once you do that to get all of testing. |
| 15:20.03 | jetx | dselect > * |
| 15:20.05 | TNKS | asg, roger. |
| 15:20.10 | asg | !roger jetx |
| 15:20.13 | dpkg | Bend over, jetx and take it like a man! |
| 15:20.24 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 15:20.28 | FieldySnuts | Phated: yay :) |
| 15:21.14 | FieldySnuts | Phated: oo look a fight |
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| 15:21.22 | Phated | eep. |
| 15:21.38 | amphi | hi, Phated - how's your stinkpad doing? |
| 15:22.00 | Phated | Wonderfully, thanks. |
| 15:22.06 | Phated | Oooh a KISS! |
| 15:22.09 | amphi | Phated: everything worling? |
| 15:22.13 | amphi | er, working |
| 15:22.22 | Phated | Yeah. |
| 15:22.28 | amphi | cool |
| 15:22.28 | Phated | Anyways, it's OT. |
| 15:22.38 | amphi | the horror |
| 15:23.05 | maunix | anyone had problems burning debian's 3.1 binary-2 file? i burnt 3 cds with error messages... |
| 15:23.13 | darkapp | hello all, gdm cant execute, gdmsetup responds with this error "(gdmsetup:1368): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" Just browsed the gdm.conf, wouldn't know what to look for in there..lol any ideas? |
| 15:23.29 | maunix | anyone had problems burning debian's 3.1 binary-2 file? i burnt 3 cds with error messages... & md5checksum is OK. |
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| 15:23.50 | darkapp | fresh install of sarge |
| 15:23.54 | mwilson | darkapp: Uh, X *does* have to be running when you run an X application. |
| 15:24.29 | darkapp | mwilson: this is at bootup, JUST finished the install |
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| 15:24.55 | radmin | hey dark do you use xchat? |
| 15:25.16 | darkapp | radmin: on a pc next to my linux box |
| 15:25.20 | mwilson | darkapp: Uh, how is that relevant to X being necessary before you run an X application? |
| 15:25.34 | Valen | i know that there is something wrong with the initrd script in that version |
| 15:25.35 | radmin | hey dark my user list is gone |
| 15:25.48 | radmin | do you know how i can get it back |
| 15:25.50 | Valen | if you are using an initio a100u2w card |
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| 15:25.52 | hax | can someone explain to me why my ~/.Xresources isnt loaded automagically? i have to xrdb -merge it every time, and i could put that in .xinitrc, but i feel like i shouldnt have to |
| 15:26.28 | Valen | the script tries to tell the ramdrive to load inia100 which dosent exist |
| 15:26.57 | maunix | anyone had problems burning debian's 3.1 binary-2 file? i burnt 3 cds with error messages... & md5checksum is OK. |
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| 15:27.16 | darkapp | mwilson : over my head man, never had this issue before, same install disc. min install , live download of updates |
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| 15:27.55 | darkapp | mwilson: i've installed a debian a few times, install always went flawless |
| 15:28.23 | mwilson | darkapp: And yet you keep coming up with this useless information. For a third time, if you are going to run an X application, X must be running. Now, is X running, or not? |
| 15:28.47 | darkapp | mwilson: I do not Know. |
| 15:28.52 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 15:28.58 | hax | ... |
| 15:29.05 | FieldySnuts | ~hack hax |
| 15:29.05 | apt | ACTION 0WnZ hax and steals all of the p0rn on the hard drive. |
| 15:29.11 | hax | :( |
| 15:29.20 | FieldySnuts | it's okay, I gave it to Phated |
| 15:29.22 | mwilson | darkapp: You don't know if X is running or not. |
| 15:29.25 | hax | FieldySnuts: if you're gonna h4x0r me, can you atleast help me solve this problem? |
| 15:29.30 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:29.41 | geordie | darkapp: you're feeding a troll |
| 15:29.45 | FieldySnuts | she likes midgets, and men with mullets |
| 15:29.54 | Phated | Oy! |
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| 15:29.58 | darkapp | mwilson: at this point, i'd say nothing is loaded |
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| 15:30.15 | hax | darkapp: how can you not tell if X is running or not? |
| 15:30.17 | mwilson | geordie: Really. And how is that, exactly. |
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| 15:30.30 | hax | darkapp: there's a huge difference between a console and X |
| 15:30.45 | FieldySnuts | just a bit. |
| 15:30.46 | darkapp | hax: staring at the console |
| 15:31.11 | hax | FieldySnuts: any idea what .Xresources doesnt take effect immediately for me? |
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| 15:31.53 | darkapp | hax: system boots, tries to load gdm, tells me it cant, goes to the console login prompt |
| 15:32.10 | darkapp | hax: says to restart gdm when it's fixed..=/ |
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| 15:32.18 | hax | darkapp: do then X isnt loading, obviously |
| 15:32.20 | hax | *so |
| 15:32.29 | Phated | ... So fix it? |
| 15:32.31 | jetx | !tell darkapp about xwontstart |
| 15:32.42 | CyzarX | hey guys, where is the directory to put the webpage? |
| 15:32.45 | mwilson | darkapp: So what you're *actually* saying is that X can't start. Have you, perhaps, actually bothered to look at the log and find out why? |
| 15:33.04 | mwilson | CyzarX: "the webpage"? |
| 15:33.11 | hax | mwilson: heh |
| 15:33.20 | FieldySnuts | sunday - the day of Vague |
| 15:33.31 | CyzarX | mwilson, yes, i created a webpage, where can i save it to? im using apache2 |
| 15:33.35 | jetx | darkapp: gdm asks you if you want to see the error/logfile, so what did it say. you're loking for the ones with (EE) i believe, maybe (WW) i forget |
| 15:33.47 | exobyte | in a script, how does exec foo differ from just calling foo? |
| 15:33.50 | hax | CyzarX: if you don't know that, you shouldn't be running your own apache server |
| 15:33.50 | jetx | s/loking/looking/ |
| 15:33.55 | mwilson | CyzarX: But you've never bothered to learn how it works, huh? |
| 15:33.56 | FieldySnuts | grep -e EE -e WW /var/log/* have fun |
| 15:34.15 | darkapp | jetx: it didn't mention a log file, i'll reboot and check again. |
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| 15:34.31 | hax | darkapp: its all in /var/log somewhere |
| 15:34.35 | CyzarX | .. |
| 15:34.35 | hax | you don't need to reboot |
| 15:35.03 | mwilson | Someone who doesn't even know where to put their files really shouldn't claim they know how to run a web server. |
| 15:35.19 | hax | agreed |
| 15:35.24 | radmin | how do i get a user list on xchat |
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| 15:36.24 | timo_ | does someone know how to install the java runtime env from sun, it does not include any installation script or instruction from what i can see |
| 15:36.24 | mwilson | CyzarX: You could, of course, actually look at Apache's configuration, note where DocumentRoot was set to, and that'd be where your files go. |
| 15:36.39 | CyzarX | wilson, /var/www/ |
| 15:36.59 | timo_ | some web sites require java |
| 15:37.03 | mwilson | CyzarX: *I* know where they go. |
| 15:37.11 | mwilson | CyzarX: By default, anyway. |
| 15:37.21 | mwilson | timo_: Very few worth bothering with do. |
| 15:37.35 | darkapp | hax, jetx, definately a x problem, browsing the var/log dir |
| 15:37.41 | qubit__ | I'm trying to run apt-get upgrade on my box, but it's saying that dpkg-deb --control returns an error code of 2. It had an error processing dpkg_1.10.28_i386.deb (this is stable) |
| 15:37.45 | hax | darkapp: clearly |
| 15:37.52 | timo_ | mwilson: well, i use hushmail for certain purposes |
| 15:37.54 | darkapp | reading the detailed report didn't say much to me |
| 15:37.58 | hax | darkapp: something is wrong in there, error messages have EE infront of them, |
| 15:38.04 | hax | darkapp: find it, google the error, fix it |
| 15:38.13 | mwilson | qubit__: Stable wouldn't be updating dpkg. |
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| 15:38.21 | linuxfreck | !tell timo_ about java |
| 15:38.44 | mwilson | qubit__: So are you actually pointing to testing, or to unstable, or to some unofficial package archive? |
| 15:38.51 | qubit__ | mwilson: hmm... I thought this box was using stable... one sec lemme check that |
| 15:38.52 | darkapp | hax: nothing begins with EE, or mentiones error |
| 15:39.07 | hax | darkapp: then you're likely looking in the wrong log file |
| 15:39.28 | hax | mwilson: any chance you want to help me fix this .Xresources thing? |
| 15:39.48 | qubit__ | mwilson: nope. it's using testing... okay. |
| 15:39.49 | FieldySnuts | ~fix .Xresources |
| 15:39.49 | apt | ACTION takes .Xresources to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 15:40.09 | jetx | darkapp: it's usually either your mouse, video driver selection, or the monitor v&h rates. modprobe mousedev && apt-get install --reinstall read-edid mdetect hwinfo && hwinfo --monitor && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:41.23 | jetx | hell make that apt-get install --reinstall read-edid mdetect hwinfo x-window-system |
| 15:41.23 | qubit__ | mwilson: can a debian package have a percent sign (%) in its filename? |
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| 15:41.47 | mwilson | hax: Oh, no, I try very hard to never get into whatever someone's done to break X. The most I will ever do is like with darkapp... pointing out that X isn't even running. |
| 15:41.53 | mwilson | qubit__: Of course. |
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| 15:43.13 | dtheory | where are my chat logs? |
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| 15:43.21 | hax | mwilson: could you atleast tell me what debian does if you don't have a .xinitrc? if i could take a look at the default script that runs, i might be able to answer my own question |
| 15:43.44 | darkapp | jetx,hax : mouse problem |
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| 15:43.52 | hax | darkapp: so fix it, heh |
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| 15:44.20 | darkapp | lol, no core pointer |
| 15:44.25 | jetx | darkapp: modprobe mousedev probably. is it ps/2 mouse, usb... what |
| 15:44.26 | jim | dtheory: logs? oh, they're either in the water heading toward the sawmill or in the fireplace over there... |
| 15:44.37 | darkapp | jetx, ps/2 |
| 15:44.56 | bleck | alright, newest version of testing debian, did netinstall, can't get the mouse to work right... pointing to dev/psaux and dev/input/mice both work, but it goes to the corner of the screen and will move a bit, but not correctly... |
| 15:44.56 | hax | darkapp: so check your mouse section, see what the config problem might be |
| 15:45.05 | dtheory | jim: what? |
| 15:45.06 | hax | darkapp: play with some options, google for some answers |
| 15:45.06 | bleck | using a USB intellimouse |
| 15:45.10 | dtheory | jim: LOG FILES |
| 15:45.20 | daedalus_ | !logfile |
| 15:45.21 | dpkg | Back in the good old days, we would just look in the system log file to see what was really going on. The new crowd of Linux users would rather not have to do that, however; they expect the system to tell them, politely, that their hardware is on fire and that they are about to deeply regret not having run any backups since sometime last winter. Logs are typically found in /var/log/ |
| 15:45.35 | jim | what? you want to file them down? I know, they won't fit in the fireplace... |
| 15:45.38 | jetx | modprobe psmouse && modprobe mousedev darkapp |
| 15:45.49 | jetx | then put them in /etc/modules |
| 15:45.49 | mwilson | hax: I have no idea what it does if there's no ~/.xinitrc, I'd have to look. |
| 15:45.58 | jim | cmon :) why you askin us where your files are? :) |
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| 15:46.29 | dtheory | jim: man.. |
| 15:46.38 | jim | good suggestion! |
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| 15:46.53 | xzgv | hax: have you tried creating ~/.xsession and entering what you need? |
| 15:47.11 | mwilson | hax: I guess that's the difference, I *would* just go look if I wanted to know. |
| 15:47.31 | darkapp | hax: cant locate module psmouse / googling the errors |
| 15:47.50 | jetx | darkapp: uname -r |
| 15:47.56 | jetx | what does it return |
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| 15:48.11 | daedalus_ | hax, mwilson: I believe there's a default xsession file in /etc/X11 somewhere |
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| 15:48.26 | mwilson | daedalus_: Did I say I didn't know where to look? |
| 15:48.26 | darkapp | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 15:48.35 | jetx | yeh |
| 15:48.36 | geemark | I'm thinking of getting a Logitech diNovo keyboard. Does anyone know what the current situation is regarding drivers and software to control the MediaPad? |
| 15:48.42 | cat | hey how can i configured my X the resolution of the monitor is 720x400 70Hz |
| 15:48.56 | FieldySnuts | if you need drivers for a specific keyboard, avoid it. how dumb. |
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| 15:49.10 | jetx | ok the modules are different, darkapp , i was telling you 2.6 kernel module names. use modconf. apt-get install modconf if you need to. |
| 15:49.20 | daedalus_ | mwilson: *shrugs* You didn't offer a suggestion of where to look. I just got up and jumped in. Sorry. |
| 15:49.26 | geemark | FieldySnuts: it's for the special keys and the LCD - not the keyboard itself |
| 15:49.28 | jetx | unless somebody know the modules he needs for a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:49.33 | FieldySnuts | and? |
| 15:49.33 | jim | dtheory, seriously, look... you have a chat client of some variety, and you're saying it produces log files... ok, so let's start by figuring out which client it is (because presumably each different client [jabber, aim, msn, irc, mud, mush, etc] must store logs in (a) a different place and maybe (b) in a different format) |
| 15:49.37 | tarzeau | asg: i rebooted ;) |
| 15:49.49 | tarzeau | asg: ipchains still werx with 2.4.31. but not ipmasqadm |
| 15:50.06 | darkapp | jetx: installing modconf |
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| 15:50.23 | hax | xzgv: no, but i should |
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| 15:50.42 | jetx | darkapp: modconf will load the modules, and put the names in /etc/modules for you, so they will be loaded on_reboot |
| 15:51.07 | jetx | darkapp: it's not very pretty or helpful, but it is functional |
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| 15:51.52 | darkapp | jetx: almost done |
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| 15:52.16 | tarzeau | does someone still use ipchains with 2.4? |
| 15:52.28 | hax | xzgv: good call, i forgot that my xinit stuff should go in .xsession now |
| 15:52.30 | FieldySnuts | probably some wankers that do |
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| 15:52.51 | tarzeau | i wonder how you do this now: ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L eth0 80 -R 192.168.0.50 80 |
| 15:52.51 | dtheory | jim: i said "where are my xchat logs" and nm, i found them |
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| 15:53.14 | jim | nope |
| 15:53.17 | jim | you said: |
| 15:53.26 | jim | <dtheory> where are my chat logs? |
| 15:53.29 | jetx | ~/.xchat2/logfiles i think |
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| 15:53.37 | kl1 | hi, any one knows where can i download totem codecs? |
| 15:53.38 | jim | but I'm glad it worked out :) |
| 15:53.42 | FieldySnuts | wherever you told xchat to put them (config) |
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| 15:54.36 | darkapp | jetx: mousedev was installed -/ |
| 15:54.38 | dtheory | :D |
| 15:54.50 | jim | notice you just got two others to respond once they also knew -which- client... also, you can look at (what can you look at? hmm...) your chat logs! |
| 15:54.53 | dtheory | anyway, I have a 686 (amd barton 2500+) what do I select in processor family? |
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| 15:55.04 | bennukem | salut |
| 15:55.10 | kl1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.19 | jetx | darkapp: there is also another mouse one, it's psmouse in 2.6, the name is a little different in 2.4 iirc |
| 15:55.39 | jetx | kl1: you probably mean w32codecs |
| 15:55.44 | jetx | from marillat |
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| 15:55.49 | kl1 | jetx yes |
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| 15:55.59 | jetx | !tell kl1 about marillat |
| 15:56.03 | jim | coppermine? |
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| 15:56.41 | kl1 | ok |
| 15:56.45 | jim | amd? |
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| 15:56.51 | gnomeuser | how do I extract an rpm file? |
| 15:56.56 | tarzeau | gnomeuser: using rpm |
| 15:57.22 | gnomeuser | tarzeau: well, I went through the man and did not see anything about extracting the files... |
| 15:57.26 | Skrot | Hi.. I just upgraded from kernel-image-2.6.11-686 to linux-image-2.6.12-1-686, and now I don't have sound. /proc/asound/cards only contains my modem, not my soundcard.. |
| 15:57.37 | tarzeau | gnomeuser: mc can do it |
| 15:57.37 | darkapp | jetx: keyboard support wasn't installed..=/ lol weird |
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| 15:57.56 | tarzeau | gnomeuser: then try file the.rpm |
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| 15:58.04 | jetx | gnomeuser: man alien |
| 15:58.06 | tarzeau | gnomeuser: why. WHY? |
| 15:58.07 | peterrooney | rpm2cpio |
| 15:58.08 | jim | yeah, that is the easiest way... you could pull it apart, but it's a weird format (comparably weird: in contrast a .deb is a .ar containing a text file telling the version, and if "2", then there are also two compressed tarballs |
| 15:58.11 | jim | ) |
| 15:58.11 | drac | Why, o Why? |
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| 15:58.15 | tarzeau | gnomeuser: what software do you need that you can't get as .deb? |
| 15:58.24 | tarzeau | gnomeuser: is it available in source form? |
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| 15:58.25 | jim | did you have to leave and, go awayyyy? |
| 15:58.29 | tarzeau | gnomeuser: make a deb yourself? |
| 15:58.34 | M4hd1 | hi, anyone running a recent sid? |
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| 15:58.38 | drac | :) |
| 15:58.38 | tarzeau | M4hd1: yeah |
| 15:58.43 | tarzeau | M4hd1: upgraded just right now |
| 15:58.45 | gnomeuser | tarzeau: no I want to get the fedora theme from the rpm files... not installing anything |
| 15:58.52 | jetx | jim: have you been used to having someone to lean on? |
| 15:58.57 | FieldySnuts | ew |
| 15:58.58 | M4hd1 | tarzeau, hmmm how r gcc4.0 breakages going? |
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| 15:59.09 | M4hd1 | tarzeau, gnome or kde? |
| 15:59.18 | jim | nono, he was singing "Have You Seen Her" |
| 15:59.20 | tarzeau | M4hd1: no gnome or kde on my NAT router. nor gcc |
| 15:59.26 | tarzeau | M4hd1: it's just a 512mb disk |
| 15:59.33 | M4hd1 | tarzeau, lol =D |
| 15:59.35 | jetx | jim: yes, i know |
| 15:59.37 | jim | I just sang the next line :) |
| 15:59.45 | M4hd1 | tarzeau, then i guess u r fine with sid |
| 15:59.48 | tarzeau | M4hd1: but yeah gnome and kde in sid are most probably broken |
| 15:59.49 | jetx | i SAID one of them :) |
| 15:59.55 | bleck | anyone know why in X a mouse would move randomly? jumps around, goes to one corner... i move the moust, and it just jumps around |
| 15:59.56 | qubit__ | Hmm... I poked around with google and I think my 'tar' is messed up. I can't even create a basic tar file... |
| 15:59.58 | manitoba98xp | I want to use ffmpeg with faad so I can convert H.264 QuickTime files to other formats. The video works fine, but faad isn't compiled in in the current Debian package. I'd like to still use .deb packages, preferably with apt-get, so it's easy to remove later. What do I need to do? |
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| 16:00.04 | tarzeau | bleck: wrong protocol |
| 16:00.05 | jim | oh :) |
| 16:00.13 | jetx | iiiiiii've been used.... to having blah blah |
| 16:00.20 | M4hd1 | tarzeau, yep. Just checking and wondering when i'll upgrade again =D |
| 16:00.25 | FieldySnuts | lala. |
| 16:00.34 | tarzeau | M4hd1: wanna try amiwm? |
| 16:00.36 | jim | yeah, I saw them on the pbs channel last night |
| 16:00.44 | bleck | protocol is Intelli Mouse... its a microsoft intellimouse... |
| 16:00.50 | jim | singing that exact tune |
| 16:00.57 | jetx | it's burned in my brain from a childhood scarring experience :) |
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| 16:01.11 | jim | IMPS/2 maybe |
| 16:01.14 | qubit__ | mwilson: if tar is messed up, apt-get says 'tar' is at the newest version, and I still get segfaults from 'tar' when trying to apt-get install.....then?? |
| 16:01.18 | M4hd1 | tarzeau, nope... just wanted to get some new versions of some apps. But they all require gcc4.0 now |
| 16:01.28 | jetx | bleck: explorer/ps2 or so, iirc |
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| 16:01.31 | tarzeau | M4hd1: easy to find out. get the apps ;) |
| 16:01.38 | jetx | has expllorer in the name |
| 16:01.48 | bleck | it use to happen when i switched the KVM switch around a bunch... ill try it, thanks.... |
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| 16:02.03 | bleck | alright, ill look into it... thanks for pushing me in the right direction... =) |
| 16:02.07 | M4hd1 | tarzeau, nah... i'll go with deb-sources |
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| 16:02.35 | daedalus_ | manitoba98xp: If there isn't some sort of module for it, then maybe using deb-sources and compiling yourself? |
| 16:02.37 | pdg\fake | ?? |
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| 16:03.21 | pdg\fake | i'm sorry |
| 16:03.25 | pdg\fake | what is here for ?? |
| 16:03.33 | FieldySnuts | @annoy pdg\fake |
| 16:03.33 | ravenbird | pdg\fake: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 16:03.49 | pdg\fake | ravenbird what happens |
| 16:03.50 | ravenbird | pdg\fake: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 16:03.59 | pdg\fake | ok but i ask |
| 16:04.00 | qubit__ | trying to run this 'tar -czf foo.tar foo.txt' gives me a segfault. apt-get says tar is up to date... |
| 16:04.12 | pdg\fake | can i have linux ?? |
| 16:04.26 | daedalus_ | pdg\fake: sure |
| 16:04.33 | manitoba98xp | daedalus: okay, I can compile it myself. How easy would it be to remove? |
| 16:04.34 | M4hd1 | tkz anyway tarzeau |
| 16:04.37 | M4hd1 | gotta go |
| 16:04.37 | M4hd1 | cya |
| 16:04.44 | pdg\fake | daedalus_ ok thanxx |
| 16:05.03 | pdg\fake | what is best ?? |
| 16:05.05 | jetx | qubit__: lose the - |
| 16:05.10 | cat | hey i can't get my monitor to worked with gdm the resolution is 720x400 what can i do any one have any ideas? |
| 16:05.15 | jetx | jsut tar czf |
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| 16:05.23 | daedalus_ | manitoba98xp: well, if you use deb-sourcs, you would compile and build a .deb file yourself, and then use dpkg to install it... so it would be as easy to uninstall as anything else. |
| 16:05.28 | pdg\fake | Daknet: foo |
| 16:05.31 | jetx | !hwinfo |
| 16:05.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 16:05.39 | qubit__ | jetx: same problem... |
| 16:05.44 | jetx | !drxx cat |
| 16:05.45 | jim | pdg\fake: http://www.debian.org/intro/about/ |
| 16:05.45 | dpkg | cat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:05.54 | jetx | qubit__: no idea then sorry |
| 16:05.55 | TNKS | Are the relative values of pin-priorities all that matters, or do their absolute values come into play? |
| 16:06.02 | qubit__ | jetx: apt-get keeps on barfing (but it's really tar that's segfaulting) |
| 16:06.10 | manitoba98xp | daedalus_: How would I go about doing that? Is there a Howto? |
| 16:06.11 | pdg\fake | jim it hasn't been found 404 error |
| 16:06.23 | daedalus_ | pdg\fake: Well... you're asking on #debian... so we're going to recommend debian. However tofind out about the best distro, /msg dpkg best |
| 16:06.28 | TNKS | I noticed someone on-line uses 700, 650, and 600, but I'm not sure why he's choosen to stay within 600 and 700. |
| 16:06.30 | pdg\fake | what i do now ?? |
| 16:06.36 | jetx | qubit__: see if dselect gives you the same, maybe |
| 16:06.57 | jim | oh, take the trailing slash off, so the correct url is... |
| 16:06.57 | qubit__ | <-- goes off to find syntax for dselect |
| 16:06.59 | jim | pdg\fake: http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 16:07.07 | daedalus_ | manitoba98xp: there's got to be. the dpkg bot might also have something on it already. Maybe make some guesses? |
| 16:07.15 | Daknet | I think my kernel has too many modules loaded...how can I know which mods I can unload? |
| 16:07.17 | jetx | !tell qubit__ about fix-unmet |
| 16:07.57 | pdg\fake | <dpkg> best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:07.57 | jetx | aka don't do the sources one, the first one |
| 16:07.58 | daedalus_ | pdg\fake: Use google to find out how to install linux. |
| 16:08.03 | pdg\fake | i dont under stand ?? |
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| 16:08.15 | jetx | pdg\fake: distrowatch.com |
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| 16:08.36 | daedalus_ | pdg\fake: which part didn't you understand... |
| 16:08.38 | cat | when i do gdm it says cannot display this video mode any ideas? |
| 16:08.42 | jim | pdg\fake: have you ever used any linux or even any unix-alike (macosx is one) before? |
| 16:08.43 | jetx | pdg\fake: this is a debian channel. install debian :) |
| 16:08.56 | jetx | !tell cat about hwinfo |
| 16:09.02 | cat | jetx: i did that already |
| 16:09.04 | pdg\fake | i'ts not linux ?? |
| 16:09.11 | jim | jetx: it's like this! |
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| 16:09.21 | jetx | pdg\fake: there are many flavors of linux, like ice cream |
| 16:09.21 | cat | after that what do i do jetx |
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| 16:09.36 | pdg\fake | jim dunno why it is ?? |
| 16:09.40 | jim | pdg\fake: this is a debian channel. install debian if you want to, otherwise do something else :) |
| 16:10.01 | jetx | cat: note the vert & horiz rates at the bottom (sync & refresh iirc) then do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 thing |
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| 16:10.24 | darkapp | permission denied for psaux =/ hmm.. |
| 16:10.31 | darkapp | hmm..homer moment, need beer |
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| 16:10.43 | firestorm | What is a simple way to see whether Package X is installed or uninstalled? |
| 16:10.53 | zzz | Hi! Is it posibble to set up a password for NFS? So, i want to do, if somebody want to mount a remote directory, the server should ask a password for it. What do i need for it? What doc to read? (distro debian sid). |
| 16:10.55 | drac | firestorm: dpkg -l package |
| 16:11.05 | firestorm | drac: thanks :) |
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| 16:11.10 | qubit__ | jetx: hmmm... still getting segfaults from tar |
| 16:11.12 | pdg\fake | jetx i don't know for it |
| 16:11.18 | daedalus_ | zzz: nfsv3 or nfsv4? |
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| 16:11.23 | jim | pdg\fake: so have you ever used anything like unix or linux before? |
| 16:11.37 | Daknet | where can I find all lines that I read during booting? |
| 16:11.48 | daedalus_ | pdg\fake: what is your native language? |
| 16:11.50 | jim | klog? |
| 16:11.52 | Daknet | is there any log? |
| 16:11.58 | pdg\fake | jim i don't now |
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| 16:12.21 | qubit__ | jetx: the problem is, even if I copy over a new .deb file for tar or try to force a reinstall of tar, I'd need tar to unpackage it, right? (ugghhhh :P ) |
| 16:12.23 | pdg\fake | daedalus_: i'm very sorry :( |
| 16:12.29 | Pryon | Daknet, try /var/log/dmesg |
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| 16:12.40 | jetx | !drxx pdg\fake |
| 16:12.41 | dpkg | pdg\fake: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:12.42 | qubit__ | hmm... I have another system that's pretty much the same... could I copy over the binary for 'tar' ? |
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| 16:13.03 | pdg\fake | dpkg what is ?? |
| 16:13.03 | dpkg | hmm... is is the country code for iceland |
| 16:13.03 | Daknet | Pryon: are there all info about loaded modules, etc.? |
| 16:13.09 | onlinebacon | hi, can someone help me with jidgo please? I am on windows atm, about to d/l debian sarge |
| 16:13.11 | daedalus_ | pdg\fake: No, I'm asking because we have other channels in other languages that could help you better. Not trying to put your english down. |
| 16:13.35 | jim | pdg\fake: ok, I just want to let you know, that you have some months of learning ahead (most of that is going to be read try think read think try think read read try try think think think think read read try try |
| 16:13.35 | Pryon | Daknet, There is information there about loaded modules. I can't say if it's *all* info. |
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| 16:13.45 | onlinebacon | I am really stuck:( |
| 16:13.54 | zzz | daedalus: um, how can i check what do i have?, cuz dpkg -l said the version of the server is 2.2. |
| 16:13.56 | qubit__ | hmm... gotta leave. thanks jetx. |
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| 16:14.02 | jim | try try read read read think think think think think) |
| 16:14.03 | jetx | qubit__: you could try, just make sure you could put it back |
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| 16:14.25 | RogueDopple | onlinebacon: use netinstall iso |
| 16:14.33 | pdg\fake\sad | jim sorry but i can't think |
| 16:14.42 | RogueDopple | if you can't figure out jigbo |
| 16:14.43 | ro0tz | currently in unstable, gnome is uninstallable due to two packages (evince and sound-juicer) is there any way around that ? |
| 16:14.44 | jim | oh, that's very gad :) |
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| 16:14.49 | Daknet | may I tell my system to print in a particular log file all the booting output? |
| 16:14.58 | jetx | onlinebacon: either d/l the full iso (wget for windows) or get the netinstall iso |
| 16:15.00 | jim | bad too... |
| 16:15.03 | onlinebacon | I thought about it, but my connection is slow, thats why i thought i should d/l the binary1 iso with jido |
| 16:15.06 | onlinebacon | jidgo* |
| 16:15.12 | sgeigerbot | Daknet: type "dmesg" |
| 16:15.16 | jim | you will be thinking A LOT |
| 16:15.32 | jetx | there are also torrents, but wget for windows (dont forget the -c) should do you |
| 16:15.36 | Daknet | dmesg |
| 16:15.36 | zzz | daedalus_. |
| 16:15.50 | onlinebacon | wget for windows? what is that please? |
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| 16:16.03 | daedalus_ | zzz: working |
| 16:16.04 | jim | you will be trying A LOT of different things and different ways to do the same thing |
| 16:16.15 | ajpr | hmm anyone know how to get firefox to use alsa sound? |
| 16:16.16 | jim | and you will be reading and reading A LOT |
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| 16:16.20 | zzz | ok, i just corrected your nick, cuz i mistyped it. |
| 16:16.22 | Pryon | net install makes much more sense than jigdo for a slow connectoin |
| 16:16.25 | sgeigerbot | ajpr: yes... |
| 16:16.34 | at0m|c | onlinebacon, wget is a download program, as basic as it gets |
| 16:16.35 | ajpr | sgeigerbot, can you tell me? |
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| 16:16.36 | arango | libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.... How do I fix this ? |
| 16:16.37 | Daknet | thanks!! this was what I wanted! |
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| 16:16.45 | jetx | onlinebacon: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/wget.htm |
| 16:16.50 | sgeigerbot | ajpr: well it worked... that's all I know. |
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| 16:16.54 | jetx | arango: marillat |
| 16:17.05 | onlinebacon | ah ok, thanks, now time to look for some docs on how to netinstall this bad boy :D |
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| 16:17.13 | jetx | arango: libdvdcss2 iirc |
| 16:17.14 | sgeigerbot | jetx: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ <-- that's a more direct source. |
| 16:17.33 | ajpr | hmm ok |
| 16:17.41 | Pryon | onlinebacon: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 16:17.51 | arango | jetx: what is marillat ? That sounds like the website from where I got mplayer |
| 16:18.06 | jetx | arango: yes |
| 16:18.07 | s_ward | !marrillat |
| 16:18.10 | s_ward | !marillat |
| 16:18.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 16:18.32 | jetx | arango: you can get libdvdcss2 or whatever it's name is from there also |
| 16:18.37 | daedalus_ | zzz: probably v3... v4 is still not in the mainstream |
| 16:18.38 | onlinebacon | thanks, you debian folks are helpful |
| 16:18.40 | jetx | which is what you need |
| 16:18.56 | jim | debian folks have their helpful moments... |
| 16:19.02 | s_ward | a happy user :D |
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| 16:19.12 | arango | jetx: thanks a lot |
| 16:19.16 | onlinebacon | yay 2 hours then i can install debian! |
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| 16:19.21 | jetx | and then i leave and the helpful moments end :) |
| 16:19.39 | jim | they do not :P |
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| 16:19.40 | zzz | daedalus_: well, it' s posibble. And then, what where can i read about it? What do i need for it? Maybe nis? |
| 16:19.43 | YeYeeeee | Hi |
| 16:19.50 | onlinebacon | well...thanks for the help, no doubt i will be back later or tomorrow, cya guys l8r :D |
| 16:19.59 | YeYeeeee | I have a problem with my Mepis |
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| 16:20.05 | darkapp | well, this is a common problem with sarge netinstall, haven't found any fixes yet though =/ |
| 16:20.31 | thingfish | YeYeeeee: then you should go to #mepis. |
| 16:20.45 | YeYeeeee | okey thanx =) |
| 16:21.10 | at0m|c | i'd like hdparm to return my harddisk's real buffer size, but no matter what it keeps returning BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=0kB for a 16MB cache disk... any idea's? |
| 16:21.14 | jim | eno: brian? |
| 16:21.14 | jetx | darkapp: it's called expert26 |
| 16:21.19 | jetx | at the boot: prompt |
| 16:21.24 | arango | jetx: Any alternative site where I can download libdvdcss2 ? Marillat is either currently down or I am having problems accessing it from where I am. |
| 16:21.28 | kadigibox | I think my APT is broken.... I see that when I update it DLs info but it says there is nothing new in repositories |
| 16:21.47 | mwilson | kadigibox: Here's a thought... perhaps there IS nothing new. |
| 16:22.12 | jetx | google arango, no idea |
| 16:22.19 | sgeigerbot | I did "apt-get source ding" and what got downloaded was a binary. I even made sure that I had the deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and that I did an apt-get update afterwards. Can someone think of what else I might need to do to get the source? |
| 16:22.23 | lars^ | How do i remove the text "test=" from a file from the command line? |
| 16:22.33 | ro0tz | has ANYONE noticed that gnome is broken on debian sid ? |
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| 16:22.43 | kadigibox | even when I added sources that I KNOW there are packages on there |
| 16:22.47 | jetx | sid broken? ANATHEMA! |
| 16:22.49 | CountZ | what's the "time" format for the shutdown command? |
| 16:22.51 | kadigibox | and APT says there is no new packages |
| 16:22.52 | s_ward | kadigibox, there might not be anything new; if you're using Sid, you might want to check /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 16:22.52 | sgeigerbot | !tell ro0tz about ro0tz |
| 16:22.58 | CountZ | I mean if I want it to reboot in 2 hours |
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| 16:23.03 | mwilson | ro0tz: So? Hardly a new thing. |
| 16:23.04 | CountZ | instead of 'now' |
| 16:23.06 | jetx | CountZ: in minutes |
| 16:23.15 | jetx | shutdown -R 5 |
| 16:23.17 | jetx | iirc |
| 16:23.17 | CountZ | jetx: so shutdown -r 120 |
| 16:23.21 | CountZ | ok thanks |
| 16:23.23 | ro0tz | so is there any workaround? I would just like to install gnome |
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| 16:23.35 | jim | or shutdown -r 2 hours |
| 16:23.40 | mwilson | ro0tz: So don't run unstable. |
| 16:23.44 | jetx | ro0tz: naughtylust isn't installable atm |
| 16:23.45 | jim | I think that might work too |
| 16:23.51 | darkapp | jetx: expert26? |
| 16:24.01 | jim | man shutdown to see :) |
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| 16:24.07 | jetx | darkapp: yeah when you install/boot the install cd |
| 16:24.26 | goccia | lars^: sed 's/test\=//' file |
| 16:24.32 | jetx | -r not -R doh |
| 16:24.38 | jetx | it's -Fr i use |
| 16:24.40 | darkapp | k |
| 16:25.01 | ro0tz | mwilson: fuckoff. do you want me to run stable, so I can install gnome 2.6 ? ffs |
| 16:25.03 | daedalus_ | zzz: dunno. I've been drilling through google. Maybe the nfs administrators guide? I've never done a passwd protected setup like that. |
| 16:25.05 | kadigibox | when I run synaptic and I reload it shows packages that are updatable but even that would be considered new in repository but it doesnt show it as that |
| 16:25.05 | jetx | lol |
| 16:25.14 | jetx | mwilson: you are loved. |
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| 16:25.31 | jetx | kadigibox: use dselect |
| 16:25.37 | mwilson | ro0tz: *I* don't care what you run. However, if you can't deal with unstable being broken, then you have no business running it. |
| 16:25.44 | ajpr | jetx, do u know of any simpler linux distros? |
| 16:25.47 | kadigibox | I dont get dselect |
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| 16:26.01 | jetx | !tell kadigibox about fix-unmet |
| 16:26.16 | firestorm | after uninstalling and re-installing postfix I get: /etc/postfix/postfix-script I'd already rm -r /etc/postfix directory after uninstall and a re-install obvipously didn't re-create the files...any hints? |
| 16:26.19 | kadigibox | it doesnt show anything by cat or by new as far as I know |
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| 16:26.26 | zzz | daedalus_: well, i have read it what i could found at en.tldp.org, and there was a refference to NIS, but i don' t know NIS, and i thought before i read it i ask somebody maybe there is a simplier way (for example i can specify the password in /etc/exports :- ) ) . |
| 16:26.28 | jetx | ajpr: #knoppix or #ubuntu maybe |
| 16:26.29 | jim | ro0tz: you might not like the problems you encounter when you run unstable... on the other hand, you might live for them... the choice is yours, but you might be traveling the path of the hermit... no one around to ask for help, and when there are, they might not understand what you say or what the issue is |
| 16:26.34 | lars^ | goccia: aint working |
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| 16:26.49 | ajpr | ok thanks jetx, think this debian thing is way over my head |
| 16:26.50 | lars^ | goccia: unknown option s |
| 16:26.55 | jetx | ajpr: make that #kanotix not #knoppix |
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| 16:27.14 | goccia | lars^: you need redirect or do a perl inplace |
| 16:27.28 | jetx | ajpr: takes time, you'll have more later |
| 16:27.31 | lars^ | goccia: it can be done with sed? |
| 16:27.41 | silensius | ajpr: try mepis you have all plugins are installed |
| 16:28.07 | nvz_ | the whole reason I started using linux some years ago, was so that I didnt have to put up with the same annoyance more than once.. and it seems like I just get lazier every year.. cause I have been logging in and manually typing xset commands to turn off screen blanking for like 2 months now instead of just putting them in my xsession |
| 16:28.15 | ajpr | ok thanks silensius |
| 16:28.15 | goccia | yes but redirect the output to a file |
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| 16:29.22 | jetx | nvz: yeah i know what you mean |
| 16:29.43 | daedalus_ | zzz: *Shrugs* beats me. Sorry |
| 16:29.56 | zzz | daedalus_: what? |
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| 16:30.21 | nvz | I also need to find myself a new wm or start reprogramming sawfish from scratch. its getting way out of date. |
| 16:30.26 | darkapp | expert26 restarts from scratch..lol |
| 16:30.39 | goccia | lars^: perl -i -p -e 's/test\=//;' file |
| 16:30.53 | nvz | I love sawfish to pieces. especially the sawfish-ui makes it really easy to configure sawfish on the fly |
| 16:31.24 | nvz | its just apperently not compliant with modern wm standards, as certain functions of newer apps dont work properl |
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| 16:32.24 | b0g | could someone point me to a chan for music/audio related question? |
| 16:32.36 | pureone | #amule ? |
| 16:32.39 | jim | #alsa |
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| 16:32.41 | nvz | b0g: do you use debian? |
| 16:32.49 | hax | anyone use bluetooth? |
| 16:32.58 | b0g | nvz: yes... but not with cubase :) |
| 16:33.19 | nvz | dpkg, cubase? |
| 16:33.37 | S0L1DUS | xvid or divx for transcoding? |
| 16:33.44 | hax | xvid |
| 16:33.47 | Daknet | I use modconf to unload modules (like lp), but when I reboot my sys I see that kernel load lp again...why? |
| 16:33.55 | jim | the only piece of -expensive- software I ever bought |
| 16:34.26 | nvz | Daknet: modconf adds/removes them from /etc/modules when it loads/unloads them with modprobe |
| 16:34.28 | jim | (by contrast, I bought a copy of rational rose media for 5 bux :) |
| 16:34.34 | jetx | xvid |
| 16:34.38 | nvz | Daknet: read /etc/init.d/modutils shows how that shit works on boot |
| 16:35.26 | Daknet | so what have I to do if I want to unload a mod? |
| 16:35.45 | nvz | Daknet: you could use modconf like you did to load it |
| 16:35.48 | nvz | should work fine |
| 16:36.07 | nvz | you could verify that its taking the module out of /etc/modules as well if not you probably need to file a bug |
| 16:36.08 | jetx | Daknet: hotplug or discover would load lp, and also, a module can depend on (and load) another module |
| 16:36.28 | jetx | s/would/might/ |
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| 16:36.49 | nvz | yeah if you have module autoloading it could be loaded as a dependency or as required by a program requesting it |
| 16:37.01 | Daknet | jetx: ...but I have no parallel port, so, why hotplug would load lp? |
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| 16:37.15 | nvz | hotplug would never load lp AFAIK |
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| 16:37.29 | jetx | Daknet: no idea, never been there |
| 16:37.38 | arango | I get "1 duplicate frame(s)!" messages when ripping with mencoder. Is this considered an error ? |
| 16:37.39 | nvz | discover maybe, but its more likely either being told to via modutils or through the kernel autoloader by a program or other module |
| 16:38.08 | jetx | arango: it's one frame out of 14000 or so eh |
| 16:38.17 | jetx | have it fix it |
| 16:38.38 | jetx | i'm sure you couldn't tell the difference when watching it though |
| 16:39.03 | arango | jetx: I am getting lots of these, not just one |
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| 16:39.44 | jetx | arango: i use transcode mostly anyway, so i'm no help |
| 16:40.03 | jetx | ot http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/top200.htm |
| 16:40.06 | arango | jetx: is transcode better ? |
| 16:40.26 | jetx | arango: i think they both work, better is what you make of them |
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| 16:41.20 | jetx | aka they've both been around long enough |
| 16:41.29 | jetx | btw i asked the same question |
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| 16:43.55 | neuonyx | lo all |
| 16:44.01 | neuonyx | anyone familiar with the adaptec 1420sa card |
| 16:44.23 | neuonyx | when i try to boot debian 31r0a with that card installed, i get boot: |
| 16:44.24 | neuonyx | then hang |
| 16:44.27 | neuonyx | cant even type |
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| 16:48.06 | CHRiSNEW | hey guys |
| 16:48.28 | Skrot | How can I use udev to create a static /dev/device for my memory stick unit? |
| 16:49.15 | Skrot | I tried creating /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules and inserting BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="Memory Stick", KERNEL="sd*", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="mobile", but no /dev/mobile turns up :> |
| 16:49.56 | coolpix | re |
| 16:50.08 | CHRiSNEW | wb |
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| 16:51.20 | nvz | that looks interesting |
| 16:51.39 | nvz | maybe udev isnt as big of a pile of dung as I thought |
| 16:52.21 | Skrot | yeah.. if it'd only work :p |
| 16:52.35 | jmnet | I am trying to use php to connect to mysql server and i get this error: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/dap/submit.php on line 18 |
| 16:52.45 | nvz | Skrot: you're a little too idealistic now.. heh |
| 16:53.01 | CHRiSNEW | eehm. perhaps you'll need the mysql module |
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| 16:53.21 | Gathond | jmnet: sounds like you have not installed mysql support for your php |
| 16:53.28 | Skrot | nvz: hehe |
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| 16:53.48 | jmnet | gathond: on debian, what package would I need? |
| 16:53.54 | nvz | dpkg, gimpshop |
| 16:54.00 | nvz | dpkg, hello |
| 16:54.00 | dpkg | Hi, nvz! |
| 16:54.08 | Gathond | jmnet: I think its php4-mysql, but you might want to check that using apt-cache |
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| 16:54.20 | jim | learn sql with mysql (maybe)... consider postgresql for multitask/multiuser production |
| 16:54.26 | nvz | hard to tell sometimes if I am just talking to myself now that those bots dont respond when they dont know |
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| 16:54.52 | FieldySnuts | nvz: someone has been deleting quite a bit from apt and dpkg so.. that's part of it. try fuck on apt. |
| 16:54.58 | jmnet | gathond: ok, ill give that a shot |
| 16:55.30 | nvz | FieldySnuts: I dunno. just never really cared much for the gimp interface.. was looking to see if anyone packaged gimpshop yet |
| 16:55.35 | joe__ | is there anything like partition magic for Debian ? I have a fat32 partition that i want to convert to ext3 |
| 16:55.46 | fflush | we have mysql running with 800 hundred concurrent connections |
| 16:55.55 | CHRiSNEW | nice |
| 16:56.29 | fflush | mysql can handle pretty much anything postgresql can, unless you need some feature only postgresql has |
| 16:56.53 | jmnet | gathond: it says I have the newest version |
| 16:56.53 | nvz | I'm nearly done with the editing part of this photo anyhow.. just need a background and a little work merging all layers back together and making it look like it goes together |
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| 16:56.57 | jim | you mean like true multitasking support? :) |
| 16:57.09 | s_ward | postgresql can handle pretty much everything mysql can, unless you need some bug only mysql has :P |
| 16:57.10 | jim | or maybe you mean outer joins |
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| 16:57.33 | fflush | bah |
| 16:57.57 | fflush | database flamewar |
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| 16:58.06 | nvz | actually I got more work then I realize left.. forgot about the lighting. I am taking an outdoor photo and making it an indoor photo.. heh so I got to take out the highlights and shadows that are clearly sunlight |
| 16:58.24 | jim | short-lived... I'm not doing the back n forth thing |
| 16:58.36 | nvz | tried using the dodge/burn tool but it didnt go well |
| 16:58.53 | TK-1 | whats the command to get and install mysql |
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| 16:59.05 | findme | TK-1, apt-get install mysql |
| 16:59.15 | nvz | I am having a hell of a time remembering how the magic wand works or else I would have been done 2 days ago |
| 16:59.26 | TK-1 | dont work |
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| 16:59.28 | nvz | dpkg, test |
| 16:59.28 | dpkg | Sorry, nvz, I didn't get your test. |
| 16:59.29 | TK-1 | tryd that |
| 16:59.46 | joe__ | what partition tool should I use ? I have a fat32 partition that i wanna convert to ext3 |
| 16:59.46 | CHRiSNEW | eehm, does anybody know a good nvidia driver install tutorial? |
| 17:00.21 | Bac9 | TK-1: apt-get install mysql-server or somesuch/ |
| 17:00.26 | nvz | the magic wand is an aquired skill.. that becomes more powerful the more time you spend using it. |
| 17:00.36 | s_ward | CHRiSNEW, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 17:00.36 | Bac9 | TK-1: just use aptitude or synaptic |
| 17:00.37 | findme | TK-1, apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 17:00.42 | mwilson | joe__: Why would you use any "partition tool"? Make a new filesystem on it, you're done. If you want to save the data that's on it, back it up, make the new filesystem, then restore it. |
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| 17:01.04 | TNKS | hi all. I'm reading up on apt pining, and there's something I'm uncertain about. If more than one entry in /etc/apt/preferences matches a package, is the pin priority set as per the first entry? |
| 17:01.08 | TK-1 | cheers :) |
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| 17:01.13 | Bac9 | nvz: and as a beginner it's a nice tool to thwap someone :-) |
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| 17:01.58 | Daknet | how can I remove file.sh from init.d? |
| 17:02.00 | nvz | I think I can use it to get rid of the shadows and highlights but I am not sure how |
| 17:02.15 | joe__ | mwilson: How do I make the new filesystem ?? Im already running debian on this machine, but have a large fat32 partition left over from XP |
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| 17:02.41 | Skrot | nvz: if you're interested in udev, I got it working now :> |
| 17:02.48 | nvz | the dodge/burn would work.. but it doesnt look natural. I just need to get it close enough that I can add my own light direction in and then you would never know that the picture was taken outside |
| 17:02.54 | Bac9 | nvz: #gimp@irc.gnome.org? |
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| 17:03.09 | Skrot | nvz: so it automagically symlinks my ipod to /dev/ipod and my mobile to /dev/mobile when I plug them in :> |
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| 17:03.28 | CosmoDad | with modconf, can I add parameters to modules I want to load somehow? If not, where does modconf save its "configuration" so I can add module parameters manually? |
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| 17:03.48 | Daknet | doing "update-rc.d lpd remove" I get this msg: "update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/lpd exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)"...what have I to do? |
| 17:03.49 | Bac9 | Skrot: how did you get it to identify devices? |
| 17:04.02 | deepan | when i install firefox using firefox-installer-bin i get a error named " es-US.xpi failed to install" and firefox does not install properly.. but when i install using firefox-installer i dont get that problem .. but i have to move to that installation folder every time and to start firefox... any solutions? |
| 17:04.05 | hax | can someone help me get bluetooth working? i think i've done everything right, but my device simply wont get recognized |
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| 17:04.42 | nvz | Skrot: I am very mildly interested.. I've used devices like that on occation and said to myself "man this would be cool if I didnt have to guess which device this would be all the time" |
| 17:04.48 | nvz | I jsut got a new mp3 player today |
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| 17:05.07 | Skrot | hehe |
| 17:05.38 | nvz | Memorex MMP3682. its USB Mass Storage capable. works well in linux. has 128MB internal flash memmory and supports up to 512MB SD/MMC |
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| 17:07.14 | cat__ | hey how can i download the nvidia drivers? |
| 17:07.17 | cat__ | can u downloaded them from apt? |
| 17:07.22 | FieldySnuts | ~u |
| 17:07.22 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:07.27 | darkapp | jetx, hax: changed mouses..loaded =P moreless problem solved (switched from a ps/2 to a usb mouse) |
| 17:07.40 | FieldySnuts | apt: nvidia one liner |
| 17:07.51 | jim | omigd.... u snt rd! |
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| 17:08.42 | sombriro | hi - what's the best mp3 player for debian? |
| 17:08.49 | paolob | Hi guys! I bought a usb modem (cnet singlepoint) to use to dial-up and connect to the internet. I insmod usb_acm, but now I can't go on. What port does the pc see the usb modem on? thank you! |
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| 17:09.11 | cor_ | xmms? |
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| 17:11.09 | darkapp | jetx, hax : thanx for your guys's time earlier |
| 17:11.33 | manitoba98xp | I'm trying to compile ffmpeg using debuild. It complains about "Unmet build dependencies: libsdl1.2-dev". When I try to apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev, it tells me that: "libsdl1.2-dev: Depends: libartsc0-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 17:11.33 | manitoba98xp | E: Broken packages". What should I do? |
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| 17:15.42 | Yevgeniy | my /dev/dsp is busy. how do I killal process that uses it? |
| 17:16.05 | bluefox | ok, i have a problem with apt that apt-get -f install just isn't fixing.. |
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| 17:16.17 | bluefox | i'll paste in #flood |
| 17:16.51 | bluefox | any ideas? |
| 17:16.58 | Mage | Yevgeniy: for i in `lsof|grep -i /dev/dsp|tr -s ' ' |cut -d' ' -f 2` ; do kill $i ; done |
| 17:17.44 | manitoba98xp | I'm running Kanotix (based on Debian sid). Can anyone help me? |
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| 17:18.07 | Mage | manitoba98xp: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 17:18.13 | manitoba98xp | I did ask |
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| 17:18.24 | manitoba98xp | I'm trying to compile ffmpeg using debuild. It complains about "Unmet build dependencies: libsdl1.2-dev". When I try to apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev, it tells me that: "libsdl1.2-dev: Depends: libartsc0-dev but it is not going to be installedE: Broken packages". What should I do? |
| 17:18.46 | Mage | apt-get install libartsc0-dev |
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| 17:19.13 | kkarpa | hi |
| 17:19.23 | kkarpa | where is the debian SPARC channel? |
| 17:19.33 | kkarpa | how can I get a list of debian channels? |
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| 17:19.37 | manitoba98xp | " libartsc0-dev: Depends: libartsc0 (= 1.3.2-4) but 1.4.1-1 is to be installed" |
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| 17:19.40 | kkarpa | I need debian Sparc channel |
| 17:19.41 | kkarpa | please |
| 17:19.46 | Mage | kkarpa: stfu |
| 17:19.46 | kkarpa | debian channel? |
| 17:19.50 | manitoba98xp | (in response to apt-get install libartsc0-dev |
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| 17:20.02 | psychonate | ah, I'm trying to run a little script I made with, but I get "bash: ./gaimchatters: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied" |
| 17:20.09 | Mage | kkarpa: #debian-sparc |
| 17:20.09 | psychonate | Does anyone have any idea why? |
| 17:20.36 | Daknet | how may I remove a script from booting? |
| 17:20.38 | kkarpa | thanks mage |
| 17:20.44 | Mage | Daknet: man update-rc.d |
| 17:20.44 | Daknet | like hotplug |
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| 17:20.59 | Mage | update-rc.d -f hotplug remove |
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| 17:21.46 | Daknet | Mage: I tryed, but I get this: "update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/hotplug exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)"...what have I to do? |
| 17:21.57 | avalost | hmm, is the debian install as painful with sarge as it was with woody & pre-woody releases? |
| 17:22.00 | Mage | use -f to force |
| 17:22.11 | Mage | avalost: define painfull |
| 17:22.21 | manitoba98xp | It seems that I can't install libartsc0-dev because of a version conflict in unstable. What should I do? I'm worried about weird things happening if I force an install from testing. |
| 17:22.28 | Daknet | thanks Mage! |
| 17:22.36 | avalost | setting up synch rates for monitors, config'ing everything till your eyes bleed and your brains melt |
| 17:22.39 | bluefox83 | guys, how to i remove the underscores from a bunch of files in a directory and replace them all with underscores? |
| 17:22.48 | bluefox83 | er, remove the spaces |
| 17:22.53 | bluefox83 | not underscores :P |
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| 17:23.16 | avalost | it'd be nice to just insert cd & go :P |
| 17:23.32 | Mage | avalost: the only thing to configure is the horizontal frequency of th emonitor (like 70 hz) |
| 17:23.34 | Daknet | Mage: why, after removing hotplug, hotplug is still in /etc/init.d? |
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| 17:23.52 | Mage | Daknet: because /etc/init.d contains INIT script |
| 17:23.57 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 17:24.24 | avalost | Mage: what about booting into x? am I going to have to initially boot into a cmd line then config x to run orr has that changed too? |
| 17:24.24 | Daknet | Mage: so, this doesn't mean that the script will be loaded...right? |
| 17:24.28 | Mage | Daknet: Debian use INIT, script are run from /etc/rcx.d/ |
| 17:24.28 | drac | Daknet: Did you --purge it as well ? |
| 17:24.43 | Mage | Daknet: right |
| 17:24.54 | superlinux | i wanna know , why should i use "initrd" option jsut to make the kernel i compiled run correctly when i use make-kpkg? |
| 17:25.02 | Mage | startut scripts are juste symbolic links to /etc/init.d |
| 17:25.07 | superlinux | just* |
| 17:25.10 | Daknet | drac: no, have I to do it? |
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| 17:25.19 | Mage | superlinux: you don't have to |
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| 17:25.34 | Mage | initrd is used to load modules before booting |
| 17:25.48 | drac | Daknet: If you want to remove config files, related to that package too. dpkg -P hotplug or smthing. |
| 17:25.49 | superlinux | well i had to do it just to boot up |
| 17:25.56 | Mage | it's usefull for example if you compiled raid as modules |
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| 17:26.09 | jetx | !experimantal |
| 17:26.11 | jetx | !experimental |
| 17:26.11 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 17:26.13 | superlinux | most of my compilation was moduls |
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| 17:26.19 | Mage | !kiss jetx |
| 17:26.21 | jetx | !ops Blertushja is an onjoin spambot |
| 17:26.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Blertushja is an onjoin spambot |
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| 17:26.59 | Mage | superlinux: there are certain things that you shouldn't built as kernel modules |
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| 17:27.19 | jetx | spamming a virus i believe, also |
| 17:27.20 | superlinux | Mage, likewhat? |
| 17:27.28 | Daknet | drac: I tryed to dpkg -P hotplug, but an error said: udev depend on hotplug....what is udev? |
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| 17:27.31 | jetx | win32 virus so who cares |
| 17:27.34 | Mage | superlinux: raid, filesystems, ... |
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| 17:27.41 | Mage | depends |
| 17:27.44 | psychonate | I think I have a major problem. |
| 17:27.56 | Mage | psychonate: I confirm |
| 17:27.58 | psychonate | I can't seem to run scripts starting with #!/bin/bash |
| 17:27.59 | coolpix | somebody knows which panel this is? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/13548-1.jpg |
| 17:28.00 | superlinux | aha |
| 17:28.09 | psychonate | even though /bin/bash is my shell |
| 17:28.10 | Rez | mentor: find it? |
| 17:28.12 | manitoba98xp | I'm using Kanotix (based on sid), and I can't install libartsc0-dev, because: "libartsc0-dev: Depends: libartsc0 (= 1.3.2-4) but 1.4.1-1 is to be installed |
| 17:28.12 | manitoba98xp | E: Broken packages". What should I do? |
| 17:28.17 | avalost | see, the last time I tried debian I had a hell of a time setting it up, getting x working properly, then getting sound to work and of course my connection.. so basically i'm curious as to whether it'll be relatively painless or a big TODO |
| 17:28.20 | superlinux | well that what i did and it booted |
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| 17:28.27 | jim | psychonate: why? |
| 17:28.28 | superlinux | no errs at all |
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| 17:28.47 | psychonate | jim, you tell me: "bash: ./gaimchatters: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied" |
| 17:28.49 | Mage | manitoba98xp: you should use a "pure" debian |
| 17:28.49 | psychonate | jim, I have no idea. |
| 17:28.54 | Daknet | what udev is? |
| 17:29.02 | Mage | psychonate: copy/paste your script on rafb.net/paste please |
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| 17:29.12 | Mage | Daknet: successor of devfs |
| 17:29.20 | jim | that would be its idea of why (the message) |
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| 17:29.36 | Daknet | why udev depend on hotplug? |
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| 17:29.45 | psychonate | Mage, even a simple script like echo "Hello." won't work |
| 17:29.47 | superlinux | u know after using many distros NOTHING better than debian |
| 17:29.52 | psychonate | Mage, if it begins with #!/bin/bash |
| 17:30.13 | jim | Rez: they're a drain on the network |
| 17:30.23 | Rez | jim: no shit sherlock |
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| 17:30.26 | avalost | superlinux: I guess that's a matter of opinion |
| 17:30.32 | Rez | but reporting them to debian ops does little good |
| 17:30.42 | jim | for true? :) |
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| 17:30.52 | jetx | Rez: i don't join gentoo so how you figure :) |
| 17:31.08 | Rez | jetx: that nick NEVER JOINED #DEBIAN |
| 17:31.14 | jim | I think you underestimate what could happen |
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| 17:31.23 | jetx | Rez: yeah sure |
| 17:31.32 | Rez | jetx: it did join #freenode however |
| 17:31.35 | psychonate | Does anyone have any idea. The situation is not exactly pleasant heh |
| 17:31.38 | jetx | well actually i didn't look |
| 17:31.41 | jetx | ahh |
| 17:31.43 | Rez | which would be the appropriate place to report it anyway |
| 17:31.46 | jetx | that would be it then |
| 17:31.51 | superlinux | i found debian the easiest with the most of apps |
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| 17:32.05 | Rez | jim: I don't think I do underestimate what could happen. |
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| 17:32.13 | jim | how would you go about reporting anything on #freenode? |
| 17:32.18 | backbone | hi how can i setup adsl usb modem (thomson) in debian 3.1 |
| 17:32.26 | arango | all things considered equal, which one gives better video: divx or xvid ? |
| 17:32.27 | avalost | just go whine until someone listens :p |
| 17:32.28 | jim | Rez: that's where we differ... I do :) |
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| 17:32.47 | jim | avalost: can't do that on #freenode |
| 17:32.50 | _NeLLY_ | :6667 |
| 17:33.07 | Rez | jim: you read the topic like a good little IRC user |
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| 17:33.38 | Rez | or not. wtf removed the /who from the topic in there? |
| 17:33.40 | backbone | it is speedtouch |
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| 17:34.09 | _NeLLY_ | rnes.si:6667 |
| 17:34.21 | jetx | arango: videohelp.org iirc |
| 17:34.36 | superlinux | it seems that there is a change in the list of pakages.. acroread 7.0 was removed from the list |
| 17:34.55 | superlinux | and i cant download newer mozilla |
| 17:35.03 | jim | Rez: case in point... you underestimate what can happen here |
| 17:35.19 | dtheory | ok, I loaded a patch into kernel-source, built a kernel, installed it, booted into it |
| 17:35.29 | dtheory | it shows that the patch did work, but I STILL cant see my raid drives |
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| 17:35.36 | Rez | jim: no. I don't. look at my hostmask. |
| 17:35.44 | jim | I don't care to... |
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| 17:36.09 | jim | you seem to be an ass and I don't consider your words true or final on anything |
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| 17:36.25 | superlinux | bye and thanks |
| 17:36.32 | jim | just my perception... |
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| 17:37.39 | bluefox83 | ok, i'm seriously concidering formatting this hard drive and installing testing -_- |
| 17:37.53 | bluefox83 | unstable breaks too much :/ |
| 17:38.08 | Daknet | how can I tell grub to show an image instead of output text lines? |
| 17:38.21 | jim | testing isn't too far behind, given it loosely tracks unstable |
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| 17:39.30 | bluefox83 | yeah, but does it break all the time? |
| 17:39.36 | pusling | bluefox83: you seem surprised that unstable is *tadaa.wav* unstable _? |
| 17:39.40 | jim | bluefox83: sid doesn't either |
| 17:40.00 | bluefox83 | lol pusling actually no i'm not..i just get annoyed when even the fixes don't work |
| 17:40.04 | jim | it's broken now... but maybe not tomorrow |
| 17:40.27 | pusling | bluefox83: try experimental instead ,) |
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| 17:40.33 | bluefox83 | jim, sid doesn't what? |
| 17:40.47 | bluefox83 | i thought testing was experimental! |
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| 17:40.57 | pusling | !experimental |
| 17:40.57 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 17:41.03 | jim | follow the discussion... <bluefox83> yeah, but does it break all the time? |
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| 17:41.20 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 17:41.30 | test0r | hello. I want to use vsftpd as a ftp-server without anonymous access. what should I change to set such a server up ? |
| 17:41.31 | bluefox83 | it doesn't break all the time? |
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| 17:41.51 | pusling | bluefox83: define break ? |
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| 17:41.58 | Fabsmad | how can I change the screen resolution during startup? |
| 17:42.06 | Fabsmad | I use grub |
| 17:42.10 | jim | maybe you're unfamiliar with the codename sid? sid is the toy story character of the kid who broke and reassembled toys differently... the spider with the doll head for example |
| 17:42.12 | Triffid_Hunter | test0r: have a look in the example config file.. it tells you in there |
| 17:42.16 | pepsi | page vga=773 or whichever value you like best |
| 17:42.30 | bluefox83 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:42.30 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.30 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.30 | bluefox83 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 17:42.30 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:42.35 | s_ward | Sid breakage is a matter of opinion; mine's not broken, though I tend to keep an eye on what I install |
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| 17:42.44 | bluefox83 | that |
| 17:42.47 | bluefox83 | :P |
| 17:42.56 | test0r | Triffid_Hunter: I looked in /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 17:42.58 | jim | bluefox83: but you knew that was going to happen if you flooded... |
| 17:43.02 | Fabsmad | pepsi: where have I to put that line? |
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| 17:43.14 | pusling | bluefox83: that is not breakage ;) That is just dependency problems |
| 17:43.18 | bluefox83 | yes jim..i knew i was going to be kicked.. |
| 17:43.24 | pepsi | Fabsmad, edit the line where other arguments are passed to the kernel |
| 17:43.28 | manitoba98xp | I'm trying to install libsdl1.2-dev, and it wants me to install, upgrade, or remove dozens of packages, many of which relate to the x window system. 2 of the packages it wants me install are "x-window-system x-window-system-core". I'm worried. |
| 17:43.34 | s_ward | bluefox83, so why the hell did you do it? |
| 17:43.42 | dtheory | s_ward! |
| 17:43.47 | jim | bluefox83: that would make your flood.... purposeful :) |
| 17:43.48 | dtheory | diablo:/mnt/raid# mount /dev/sdb /mnt/raid |
| 17:43.48 | dtheory | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 17:43.49 | bluefox83 | just all i had to do to get back in was type /join #debian |
| 17:43.50 | s_ward | oh no |
| 17:43.59 | dtheory | i was able to boot into my newly patched kernel |
| 17:44.05 | bluefox83 | -just + because |
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| 17:44.12 | jim | dtheory: how's she workin? |
| 17:44.14 | dtheory | i see my drives |
| 17:44.16 | s_ward | dtheory, congrats |
| 17:44.16 | pepsi | Fabsmad, vga=773 is like 1024x768.. googling for "kernel grub resolution vga=" should get you a table |
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| 17:44.23 | bluefox83 | well..it wasn't intended as a flood..but i knew the bot would misconstrue it as one |
| 17:44.23 | dtheory | diablo:/mnt/raid# mount /dev/sdb /mnt/raid |
| 17:44.23 | dtheory | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 17:44.29 | Fabsmad | pepsi: /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 17:44.32 | dtheory | err |
| 17:44.41 | jim | bluefox83: no "miss" about it :) |
| 17:44.50 | pepsi | Fabsmad, yeah, or you could always edit the boot line in grub at boot-time |
| 17:44.55 | pepsi | but then it wont "stick" |
| 17:45.07 | dtheory | Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 17:45.17 | dtheory | but I dont know where to go from here |
| 17:45.30 | dtheory | my modules loaded, the patch and kernel work.. but I still dont know how to get the raid arrays working |
| 17:45.39 | Rez | dtheory: you can't mount whole disks, you have to mount partitions |
| 17:45.54 | dtheory | they only have one partition each |
| 17:45.57 | dtheory | and I dont know them |
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| 17:46.04 | Rez | then use sda1 and sdb1 etc |
| 17:46.16 | jim | bluefox83: the thing is, you could have summarized and compressed the message by (1) combining multilines into fewer lines, (2) removing redundant messages, (3) summarizing where possible, (4) removing header lines, probably more |
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| 17:46.46 | Fabsmad | pepsi: after add that line I have to update grub...how? |
| 17:46.49 | bluefox83 | yes yes yes..and i got the same affect by just dropping what i had in the channel and rejoining..far faster.. |
| 17:46.49 | dtheory | rez: diablo:/mnt/raid# mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/raid / mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 17:47.11 | jim | so you flood the channel becasue it's less work for you |
| 17:47.13 | santiago | asdsad |
| 17:47.15 | s_ward | dtheory, mount -t <type> ? |
| 17:47.16 | Rez | dtheory: did you create a filesystem oon the partition? |
| 17:47.18 | bluefox83 | now..how do i fix the dependency issue ? |
| 17:47.22 | jim | I got it :) |
| 17:47.25 | dtheory | rez: yes, in windows! |
| 17:47.34 | balzac | hello |
| 17:47.38 | pepsi | Fabsmad, update-grub |
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| 17:47.53 | Rez | dtheory: don't exclaim at me, I can't read your mind, nor do I have a crystal ball |
| 17:48.01 | balzac | i'm editing my $HOME/.bashrc file |
| 17:48.01 | bluefox83 | jim, how often do people in here tell other people to read the man pages instead of telling them how to do things simply because it's easier to tell them to rtfm? |
| 17:48.04 | dtheory | rez: what? |
| 17:48.09 | test0r | Triffid_Hunter: does local means non-anonymous ? |
| 17:48.16 | jim | there is a reason for that |
| 17:48.19 | balzac | it's so my computer will know where ruby is installed |
| 17:48.19 | s_ward | Seems like crystal balls would be popular in #debian |
| 17:48.23 | sombriro | i feel wonderful |
| 17:48.24 | *** mode/#debian [+q bluefox83!*@*] by Rez |
| 17:48.30 | jim | we are trying to get people to be more independent, not less |
| 17:48.30 | sombriro | skydive from the moon/sail the ocean |
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| 17:48.31 | balzac | here's the instructions from the tutorial i'm following |
| 17:48.32 | balzac | balzac: echo $HOME |
| 17:48.32 | balzac | <balzac> ok |
| 17:48.32 | balzac | <manveru> ^^ |
| 17:48.32 | balzac | * zem nods at Helmutt |
| 17:48.32 | balzac | <Helmutt> slyphon: |
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| 17:48.38 | pepsi | heh |
| 17:48.42 | balzac | crap, sorry |
| 17:48.44 | jim | damn :) |
| 17:49.08 | balzac | this is what i meant to say: Next, you'll want to add $HOME/bin to your command search path by editing your $HOME/.bashrc file. |
| 17:49.47 | Triffid_Hunter | test0r: i set mine up a fairly long time ago, just followed the instructions in the example config.. |
| 17:49.55 | dtheory | s_ward: how do I check the partitions of my drive |
| 17:49.57 | balzac | now where do i "add $HOME/bin to my command search path" in this .bashrc file? |
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| 17:50.11 | s_ward | dtheory, fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 17:50.30 | dtheory | s_ward: it just lists my USB hdd |
| 17:50.30 | nagual | balzac: wherever, just use export PATH=PATH;$HOME/bin |
| 17:50.41 | dtheory | s_ward: ata1: no device found (phy stat 00000000) / scsi2 : sata_promise |
| 17:50.41 | exobyte | what does "exec foo" do in a script? How does it differ from just foo? |
| 17:50.45 | balzac | thanks nagual |
| 17:50.46 | s_ward | dtheory, don't give a device then, or give another device |
| 17:50.47 | andy__ | Hi, does anybody know a nice gui service editor (i.e., for changing runlevels)? |
| 17:50.53 | JuanPablo | Hola, alguien habla español |
| 17:50.58 | s_ward | !es |
| 17:50.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:50.59 | dtheory | s_ward: whats that? |
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| 17:51.16 | nagual | balzac: just make sure you do it like that, so the old path is also in there :) |
| 17:51.17 | UnKnowN_ | Microsoft Monkey Colony on Mars |
| 17:51.18 | UnKnowN_ | Microsoft has announced that a team of monkeys will be shot into space in 2005 to establish the first Martian Colony. At a recent press conference, Bill Gates confirmed, "We are already training the monkeys to do simple tasks like reboot the space ship when it blue screens. The space vehicle will be running our newest product, SpacePod 2004. This product will instruct the monkeys how to colonize Mars and establish trade with the Martians. W |
| 17:51.18 | UnKnowN_ | e intend to monopolize this market before Human travel to Mars is possible." |
| 17:51.30 | UnKnowN_ | :D |
| 17:51.36 | balzac | nagual, this is so ruby will be seen from a command prompt |
| 17:52.02 | balzac | i don't know why this code works, since it doesn't reference ruby or its directory |
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| 17:52.12 | s_ward | dtheory, a "device" is one of the many different "files" in /dev that tends to map to a physical piece of hardware (but doesn't always) |
| 17:52.42 | jim | psychonate: I see you're still here... |
| 17:52.44 | s_ward | dtheory, sorry, missed your ata1: no...blah |
| 17:52.45 | dtheory | s_ward: okay, but I never gave it a device it did it throught he kernel |
| 17:52.46 | jim | good... |
| 17:53.06 | dtheory | s_ward: its 4 drives in 2 mirrored arrays |
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| 17:53.38 | psychonate | jim, someone in ##linux is helping me out. We're making good progress |
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| 17:54.12 | jim | psychonate: ahh, I was just getting ready to google the error message you got... did you find out what it means? |
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| 17:55.20 | psychonate | jim, for some reason the drive that the script is on keeps getting mounted with the "noexec" flag, even though I don't have that in my fstab |
| 17:55.22 | andy__ | Anybody, is there a gui runlevel editor out there for debian? |
| 17:55.36 | jim | ohh |
| 17:55.42 | jim | that would be / I guess |
| 17:55.58 | jim | oh, that the -script- is on, that wouldn't be / |
| 17:56.00 | s_ward | dtheory, remind me, these HDDs are connected to a SATA controller? |
| 17:56.13 | dtheory | s_ward: no, its a PCI IDE raid controller |
| 17:56.30 | psychonate | jim, it's on /shared (/dev/hdb) |
| 17:56.43 | jim | anyway tho, as you can see something like this could have a number of sources :) |
| 17:56.47 | dtheory | dtheory: all the patches and notes I found about it manipulates it into using a sata drive, and looking like a scsi at the end |
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| 17:57.18 | balzac | i can't install anything difficult on linux |
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| 17:57.38 | s_ward | dtheory, does dmesg tell you what devices the raid controller uses at all? |
| 17:57.40 | r0g3l10 | andy__: rcconf, sysvconfig, ksysv. |
| 17:57.42 | dtheory | s_ward: http://xrl.us/g2h3 is the patch |
| 17:57.50 | jaspn | quick question, what's the 'size' of a dvd-r in bytes, I would like a real number like 4377084192, not "4.3GB" |
| 17:58.10 | daedalus_ | jaspn: why do you need to know |
| 17:58.12 | andy__ | r0g3l10: thanks I'll check them out. |
| 17:58.31 | jaspn | daedalus_: I'm doing amanda backups on dvd, I'd like to use as much space as I can... |
| 17:58.31 | balzac | to an outsider like me, the skillset of a linux admin appears to be a collection of complicated and arbitrary knowledge |
| 17:58.38 | dtheory | s_ward: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 - is right before it says there are no devices found on the ata channels |
| 17:58.45 | balzac | i can't install my stupid modem or ruby |
| 17:58.51 | nvz | whats a good ref for kernel calls? I was teaching a friend some basics on debugging and he's falling off the understanding when I got to signal tracing. |
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| 17:59.58 | balzac | i need to buy one of those $70 USR external modems. I should be capable of installing that. |
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| 18:00.03 | nvz | I pretty much can guess what the shit means enough to get myself out of a jam.. but without knowing what the calls and there params mean I cant really teach anyone else :P |
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| 18:00.37 | ajpr | anyone know why flashplayer works fine in mozilla but is buggy (no sound) in firefox? |
| 18:00.43 | tarzeau | nvz: http://users.actcom.co.il/~choo/lupg/tutorials/index.html |
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| 18:00.52 | jdhutchin1 | ajpr, which one from what repository? |
| 18:00.59 | tarzeau | nvz: those are really great. check the signal handling part. and the manual pages (2) for the rest |
| 18:01.09 | ajpr | from macromedia.com |
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| 18:01.19 | tarzeau | ajpr: because it sucks |
| 18:01.21 | daedalus_ | jaspn: I believe you can check the amount of space on the dvd with a utility like cdrecord |
| 18:01.24 | ids | Hi. I have just installed debian on my laptop. I was wondering what command(s) I would need to go through in order to install X windows (X.org)? |
| 18:01.28 | tarzeau | ajpr: why don't you ask macromedia? |
| 18:01.29 | ajpr | install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz |
| 18:01.32 | nvz | tarzeau: got a 404. is there any official documentation on that? other than the kernel source/docs? |
| 18:01.32 | jaspn | daedalus_: I'm looking in the source now. |
| 18:01.35 | ajpr | oh right ok |
| 18:01.39 | ajpr | sorry |
| 18:01.41 | daedalus_ | jaspn, source? |
| 18:01.58 | ajpr | i assume its something i have to fix :] |
| 18:01.58 | tarzeau | nvz: http://users.actcom.co.il/~choo/lupg/tutorials/signals/signals-programming.html no 404 here. works perfect |
| 18:02.01 | jaspn | daedalus_: source code |
| 18:02.14 | nvz | tarzeau: I can decipher things do a degree.. but it would be cool to know what all the calls mean and what their synopsis and options are |
| 18:02.18 | daedalus_ | jaspn, I think if you just start a dummy burn it will spew the DVD disk info |
| 18:02.19 | tarzeau | ajpr: how, if you don't have the sources? |
| 18:02.32 | daedalus_ | jaspn, source code is too low level |
| 18:02.33 | jaspn | daedalus_: oh yeah? |
| 18:02.40 | daedalus_ | jaspn, yup |
| 18:02.41 | nvz | tarzeau: was a sloppy copy. I left out the l on the end |
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| 18:03.30 | tarzeau | heh |
| 18:03.38 | s_ward | dtheory, I don't know what could be causing it |
| 18:03.46 | dtheory | s_ward: drat |
| 18:04.02 | nvz | tarzeau: so far I found an intermediate programming tutorial on signals.. but I dont know that it actually lists linux signals and their meanings |
| 18:04.39 | dtheory | s_ward: any ideas I can try before I go back to windows to play some games? |
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| 18:04.56 | dtheory | s_ward: particualry, any forums I can ask for help on |
| 18:05.28 | s_ward | dtheory, search for the error about no devices being attached in relation to your controller |
| 18:05.53 | jaspn | daedalus_: yeah, but I'd like to know what's left minus the UFS overhead |
| 18:06.04 | tarzeau | nvz: it does |
| 18:06.07 | s_ward | dtheory, check that all modules required are loaded (if necessary) |
| 18:06.14 | dtheory | s_ward: they are |
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| 18:06.19 | tarzeau | nvz: partly at least. signals are not an invention of linux, and they are not very different in linux |
| 18:06.33 | tarzeau | nvz: you don't ever want to write unportable code. really |
| 18:06.48 | tarzeau | or your source might end up on a dead system |
| 18:06.55 | nvz | tarzeau: am I improperly using the word signal when I mean system call maybe |
| 18:07.09 | nvz | tarzeau: I am talking about understanding strace output |
| 18:07.11 | dtheory | can someone tell me the name of a good support forum? |
| 18:07.23 | nvz | trying to explain it to someone and I only have a mere grasp on it myself |
| 18:07.28 | tarzeau | nvz: oh system calls (kernel) are documented, man man, see 2. man 2 fork for example |
| 18:07.42 | tarzeau | nvz: can you post an example strace output that you want to understand? |
| 18:07.51 | tarzeau | dtheory: lists.debian.org |
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| 18:08.03 | nvz | tarzeau: so there is a manpage for each call in section 2 then.. |
| 18:08.24 | tarzeau | nvz: maybe some are missing ;) but most probably are documented (more bad than good ;) |
| 18:08.38 | tarzeau | nvz: got a new bsd system? it's much nicer there |
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| 18:09.13 | makeio | hi |
| 18:09.15 | nvz | tarzeau: I use strace when something hangs or croaks, and I can go through and understand it well enough to fix my problem.. looking at read(3, and know to go back and see what file is assigned the fd 3..etc but I dont know specificaly what the shit means to explain it to someone else. so I want to just recommend them better documentation than my half-assed understanding |
| 18:09.36 | harleyg | is there a *step-by-step* guide to debootstrap around somewhere? |
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| 18:10.23 | daedalus_ | jaspn: Your filesystem overhead may vary depending upon the number of files you store.. also depending upon the fs you use to store it... |
| 18:10.33 | nvz | tarzeau: I just tried read, open, and fork and didnt find any.. I must be missing manpages I guess |
| 18:11.11 | nvz | tarzeau: my brother has an iBook, closest thing I have to a new bsd system.. heh |
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| 18:11.48 | nvz | that OSX is a friend of mine. I like it way better than the rest of the systems that run WinXP |
| 18:11.55 | jaspn | daedalus_: hm |
| 18:12.02 | nvz | at least it understands my language, and keeps decent logs |
| 18:12.48 | tarzeau | nvz: manpages-dev ? |
| 18:12.48 | psytwo | um |
| 18:12.49 | s_ward | dtheory, $kernel_src/Documentation/devices.txt suggests the devices might be /dev/ataraid/* |
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| 18:13.15 | nvz | tarzeau: thats not installed. they are in there? |
| 18:13.24 | tarzeau | nvz: yes, apt-cache show manpages-dev |
| 18:13.25 | dtheory | s_ward: ount: can't find /dev/ataraid in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 18:13.25 | s_ward | dtheory, that doesn't help if they're not recognised though |
| 18:13.27 | psytwo | could someone give me some info onn installin the new sarge onto a harddisk connected to an onboard raid controller? |
| 18:13.30 | dtheory | s_ward: exactly |
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| 18:14.00 | spectie | hey, does anyone use debian on old world ppc here? |
| 18:14.06 | spectie | or can point me to good installation instructions? |
| 18:14.11 | tarzeau | spectie: forget it |
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| 18:14.19 | s_ward | dtheory, you'd have to edit your fstab to mount like that, or specify the device _and_ mount point on the command line |
| 18:14.22 | spectie | and does debian support PPC g3 upgrade boards |
| 18:14.22 | tarzeau | spectie: #debianppc but i doubt you'll have luck |
| 18:14.33 | tarzeau | spectie: really, try to forget the oldworld mac |
| 18:14.39 | spectie | how come? |
| 18:14.39 | fflush | hehe |
| 18:14.50 | tarzeau | spectie: i've had nightmare time with oldwold crap ppc macs |
| 18:14.52 | fflush | spectie, just install netbsd on it |
| 18:14.53 | tarzeau | spectie: ONLY |
| 18:14.59 | tarzeau | fflush: if he can |
| 18:15.03 | daedalus_ | jaspn: maybe some time for some trial and error with mkisofs to see how much bloat you get? |
| 18:15.09 | jim | !ncurses |
| 18:15.09 | dpkg | somebody said ncurses was a free clone of curses, a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators. fun. If you want to install ncurses, you most likely wants to: apt-get install libncurses-dev |
| 18:15.28 | spectie | i managed to install m68k linux once |
| 18:15.33 | spectie | and netbsd on 68k hardawre |
| 18:15.42 | tarzeau | spectie: mklinux or real debian gnu/linux? |
| 18:15.47 | tarzeau | spectie: m68k is great. |
| 18:15.53 | tarzeau | spectie: but oldworld macs are nightmare |
| 18:15.55 | jim | I tried that, I got minix to work |
| 18:15.58 | psytwo | :( |
| 18:16.15 | spectie | i believe it was mklinux i don't think debian support m68k |
| 18:16.38 | FieldySnuts | badger |
| 18:16.58 | psychonate | jim, apparently there is either a bug or a feature that was making the drive mount "noexec" whenever I mounted it with the "user" option in my fstab for that drive. |
| 18:17.22 | tarzeau | spectie: yes debian supports m68k with mmu |
| 18:17.31 | tarzeau | spectie: but really mklinux is mostly for nubus systems... |
| 18:17.43 | psychonate | jim, it sounds odd, but I mounted it several times with and without "user" for /dev/hdb, and it would always mount "noexec" when the "user" option was present |
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| 18:18.03 | spectie | yeah, it was nubus |
| 18:18.09 | spectie | this 7600 is pic though |
| 18:18.11 | spectie | *pci |
| 18:18.15 | jim | weeeeird |
| 18:18.19 | ajpr | ok ive googled a bit but does anyone know a cd player that plays cd's by ripping in real time (as i dont have that cable thing hooked up to my sound card) |
| 18:18.32 | psytwo | i have a problem where a raid controller i need to use is not seen by the 2.4.27 kernel when sarge installation boots up, i've got the right .o file for it but when i try load it i get errors...how do you guys go about loading modules for installation? any help/links/anything is apreciated! |
| 18:19.41 | exobyte | Why doesn't this print anything to the screen? pppd debug logfd 1 call foo |
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| 18:22.38 | arango | when using mencoder what is the purpose of ripping the dvd audio first during a 3-pass encoding ? Also, is this necessary if I plan to keep the original ac3 audio ? |
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| 18:24.29 | FieldySnuts | probably to waste time |
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| 18:25.04 | Rawplayer | :) |
| 18:25.14 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 18:25.14 | dpkg | it has been said that debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 18:25.21 | SimonRaven | @tell corrado -about root |
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| 18:25.58 | FieldySnuts | @ff SimonRaven |
| 18:25.59 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: fartfish |
| 18:26.02 | SimonRaven | they quit sooner when it's a person doing it |
| 18:26.05 | SimonRaven | hi FieldySnuts |
| 18:26.06 | wers | How do i mount a remote filesystem? what do i put in my fstab? |
| 18:26.11 | FieldySnuts | hi :) |
| 18:26.22 | FieldySnuts | define remote. samba? nfs? what |
| 18:26.42 | tarzeau | wers: try shfs |
| 18:26.55 | wers | FieldySnuts .. well.. samba seem to .. messy |
| 18:27.01 | tarzeau | wers: you can do: shfsmount user@machine:/mnt/point /mnt/point |
| 18:27.09 | tarzeau | wers: you're perfectly right on samba |
| 18:27.10 | FieldySnuts | didn't answer my question, which one |
| 18:27.19 | wers | tarzeau REaly sweet,, thanx |
| 18:27.22 | tarzeau | wers: nfs won't go easily over NAT |
| 18:27.31 | SimonRaven | it's getting bad when you can't ban GMOs, or protest in front of parliament (london, uk) |
| 18:27.38 | FieldySnuts | gmos? |
| 18:28.02 | FieldySnuts | UK getting paniced after the attacks (understandable, to a point)? |
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| 18:28.13 | maja | if the kernel panics during boot is it a problay a problem with the box ? |
| 18:28.22 | FieldySnuts | could be a lot of reasons |
| 18:28.49 | SimonRaven | 15 states have passed laws that prevent gmos from getting banned |
| 18:28.50 | jim | in fact hundreds of possibilities... |
| 18:28.53 | maja | am booting a bran new boot image, just downloaded form debian |
| 18:28.59 | two|face | maja I had that problem and it turned out to be a bad stick of ram |
| 18:29.02 | jim | gmos? |
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| 18:29.11 | two|face | someone suggested getting memtest86 and trying that out |
| 18:29.15 | SimonRaven | genetically modified organisms |
| 18:29.23 | two|face | didn't matter what I booted |
| 18:29.29 | maja | memtest, wont i need to boot os 1st ? |
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| 18:29.55 | maja | was working fine till yesterday when i pluged power in (box -- laptop) |
| 18:30.06 | maja | then reset and kernel is paniking :( |
| 18:30.17 | maja | have also updated bios |
| 18:30.28 | maja | grub loads just fine though |
| 18:30.30 | jim | maja: memtest is presented to boot loader looking like a kernel |
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| 18:31.06 | jim | so it -is- an os (or looks like one, looks like something to boot) |
| 18:31.22 | whabang | Hey guys! |
| 18:31.23 | maja | jim: nice |
| 18:31.30 | maja | will give it a try :) |
| 18:31.38 | maja | thanks two|face |
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| 18:31.39 | SimonRaven | in grub i know for sure, i think in lilo too |
| 18:31.47 | tarzeau | anyone using the latest pxeboot and having a problem with ethernet pro nics? boot order: network, harddisk? it never boots from disk in that config? |
| 18:32.09 | harleyg | is there a *step-by-step* guide to debootstrap around somewhere? |
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| 18:32.16 | jim | you could boot into grub shell and try locating it in there, and boot it that way (if you're familiar with grub... if not, time to get familiar) |
| 18:32.19 | whabang | Do anyone of you know if it's possible to do a network install with a 3C515-card? |
| 18:32.28 | whabang | Without making a custom boot CD? |
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| 18:32.47 | jim | not sure, should be tho. that's an older care |
| 18:32.49 | jim | card |
| 18:32.55 | whabang | Yea |
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| 18:33.00 | whabang | It's an ISA card |
| 18:33.02 | maja | jim: am farmilular, but rescue mode also fails |
| 18:33.13 | maja | think ram testing is the way to go :) |
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| 18:33.26 | whabang | Problem is that it's a PNP-card, and the old machine I want to install on doesn't have a PNP-BIOS. |
| 18:33.34 | jim | do you have memtest86 somewhere? |
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| 18:33.53 | banedon | what is a good mpeg vid play to apt-get |
| 18:33.54 | whabang | It works in Windows 95, though... :) |
| 18:33.55 | banedon | ? |
| 18:34.05 | banedon | does any linux mpeg player do wmv files? |
| 18:34.11 | banedon | Im trying to see my porn download... |
| 18:34.13 | jim | do you have a different card? |
| 18:34.14 | banedon | help |
| 18:34.17 | whabang | Nope |
| 18:34.23 | whabang | It's sunday... |
| 18:34.43 | jim | what if you got a netinst to start with |
| 18:34.55 | whabang | If I can't get it to work, I'll buy a realtek card tomorrow. :P |
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| 18:35.12 | jim | it's a dsl or something fast, right? |
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| 18:35.21 | whabang | 10 mbit |
| 18:35.23 | maja | jim: memtest is a .deb pakage, small one at that |
| 18:35.29 | jim | yes |
| 18:35.39 | sombriro | banedon you have porn on linux? that is illegal |
| 18:35.41 | rking | memtest86+++ |
| 18:35.54 | maja | sombriro: why ? |
| 18:35.59 | jim | or at least illogical |
| 18:36.07 | whabang | Can't VLC do it? |
| 18:36.13 | rking | improbable, at best |
| 18:36.21 | jim | some will split the difference and say it's just ill :) |
| 18:36.26 | wers | can i load a kernelmudule support for shfs? |
| 18:36.37 | maja | i bet you most of the world porn is hosted on linux boxes |
| 18:36.41 | jim | what's shfs? |
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| 18:36.51 | SimonRaven | !shfs |
| 18:36.51 | dpkg | somebody said shfs was http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 18:36.55 | jim | wouldn't doubt it |
| 18:37.10 | plugwash | according to p.q.d.o glibc is affected by a freeze |
| 18:37.12 | SimonRaven | wers: get kernel mod source and utils from debian |
| 18:37.14 | wers | jim remote filesystem |
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| 18:37.15 | FieldySnuts | sure would be nice if you didn't have to patch the damn kernel |
| 18:37.17 | ph8 | anyone recommend an ftp daemon? (deb) |
| 18:37.30 | wers | SimonRaven k..ill try, thnx |
| 18:37.31 | drac | wers: Yes, use module-assistant. "apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential && m-a a-i shfs" |
| 18:37.31 | FieldySnuts | phb: proftpd or vsftpd , others like pureftpd. |
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| 18:37.34 | plugwash | what exactly does that freeze effect and/or is the announcement availible |
| 18:37.36 | jim | proftpd? |
| 18:37.37 | FieldySnuts | ~start an ftpd war |
| 18:37.41 | FieldySnuts | ~start an ftp server |
| 18:37.42 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
| 18:37.48 | wers | drac thanx |
| 18:37.53 | jim | that's what he wants to do! |
| 18:37.57 | rking | it would be nice if the dpkg factoids were on the web somewhere, so they'd get spidered, and hopefully come up high on google searches - dpkg = a nice, up-to-date cache of info |
| 18:38.26 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fuck rking |
| 18:38.50 | tarzeau | ph8: lftp |
| 18:38.54 | rking | ow. |
| 18:38.56 | tarzeau | ph8: oh deamon. proftpd? |
| 18:39.08 | tarzeau | greycats favourite internet protocol |
| 18:39.14 | FieldySnuts | lftp is a client |
| 18:39.17 | jim | fip? |
| 18:39.18 | FieldySnuts | last i checked. |
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| 18:39.24 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: yeah right i noticed |
| 18:39.29 | FieldySnuts | neener. |
| 18:39.34 | tarzeau | neener? |
| 18:39.37 | ssm | proftpd has a vulnerability history, though. However, it does have a lot of features you might need. |
| 18:39.52 | tarzeau | ssm: not so bad, is it? |
| 18:39.56 | tarzeau | ssm: wu was much worse |
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| 18:40.12 | jim | wu was also non-free |
| 18:40.23 | FieldySnuts | and non-secure |
| 18:40.24 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
| 18:40.25 | jim | in a way similar to daemontools and qmail |
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| 18:40.48 | ssm | jim: free as in beer, then? |
| 18:40.54 | FieldySnuts | if i wrote and ftpd i'd call it bftpd (badger ftpd) |
| 18:40.56 | nfsv4 | hey i got a flamer called hal9000 at kismet can you guys give him a whopping :) |
| 18:41.04 | jim | yeah, you just can't distribute altered binaries |
| 18:41.15 | nfsv4 | hal9OOO the mothers servers has been rooted many times |
| 18:41.15 | nfsv4 | hal9OOO in this year |
| 18:41.15 | nfsv4 | hal9OOO so ppl who download with apt-get |
| 18:41.15 | nfsv4 | hal9OOO could have been owned, rk |
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| 18:41.24 | FieldySnuts | stfu |
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| 18:41.33 | whabang | lol |
| 18:41.46 | nfsv4 | whabang, damn flood 5 lines come on |
| 18:41.56 | nfsv4 | cheapoes |
| 18:42.10 | whabang | :P |
| 18:42.12 | nfsv4 | hal9OOO the mothers servers has been rooted many time ; hal9OOO so ppl who download with apt-get ; hal9OOO could have been owned, rk |
| 18:42.20 | nfsv4 | what is wrong with him |
| 18:42.34 | drac | or you? |
| 18:42.44 | FieldySnuts | @ops nfsv4 asking us to harass other channels |
| 18:42.44 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: nfsv4 asking us to harass other channels |
| 18:42.45 | kadigibox | shut up nfsv4 |
| 18:42.53 | ssm | nfsv4: Just ignore the troll, and it´ll go away |
| 18:43.03 | FieldySnuts | he'd have to ignore himself, then. |
| 18:43.11 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
| 18:43.35 | mentor | nfsv4: Don't to that, mmm'kay... |
| 18:43.42 | SimonRaven | @comfort nfsv4 |
| 18:43.42 | ravenbird | There, there, nfsv4. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:43.48 | nfsv4 | :P |
| 18:43.56 | whabang | Any experts on network installations here? |
| 18:44.12 | nfsv4 | whabang, i did it once but i screwed up grub |
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| 18:44.27 | nfsv4 | whabang, so I had to do a minimial install |
| 18:44.46 | nfsv4 | whabang, then apt-get ..... 2000 pkgs or something :) |
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| 18:44.50 | grumbly | help please |
| 18:44.56 | whabang | This old machine is one that I need as a surf PC for me girl. |
| 18:44.58 | nfsv4 | grumbly, what is the case dude |
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| 18:45.07 | FieldySnuts | grumbly: be a bit more specific (well, a lot more, actually) |
| 18:45.11 | grumbly | I've got some WICKED choppy sound on a system that shouldnt ever have an issue |
| 18:45.20 | nfsv4 | whabang, just ubuntu it really nice the girl will like it and you will goto sleep very well rested :) |
| 18:45.21 | grumbly | I hit enter too soon before, sorry |
| 18:45.39 | whabang | Grumbly: Update the video driver. :) |
| 18:45.51 | grumbly | whabang: you're kiding |
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| 18:46.12 | whabang | Well, I work for Dell's tech support (don't hurt me!) |
| 18:46.16 | nfsv4 | grumbly, xmms thing ? could be a bad sound card driver i had to play with my mixers |
| 18:46.34 | whabang | We had sound issues caused by a certain nVidia driver a couple of months back. |
| 18:46.45 | nfsv4 | whabang, execuse me i cannot rotate the mouse it is stuck at an angle |
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| 18:47.10 | whabang | That was on Windows though... :) |
| 18:47.11 | grumbly | whabang: I've got a p4 2.4 (northwood). It ran ubuntu with no sound issues- I decided to try debian... debian is tons more stable, but sound is tons more not goodified |
| 18:47.19 | miz | Having load averages in `uptime` above 1 means that there's more to process than the processor can handle? |
| 18:47.28 | nfsv4 | nvidia 1.0.7174 can cause ti |
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| 18:47.51 | jetx | gah i'm hand-feeding sid etch libs |
| 18:47.51 | plugwash | miz load average is the average number of threads waiting for the CPU |
| 18:47.53 | grumbly | where can I get the newer nvidia source? |
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| 18:48.08 | plugwash | so one app at constant full cpu will give a load average of 1.0 |
| 18:48.23 | plugwash | two apps both doing it will give a load average of 2.0 |
| 18:48.26 | grumbly | hrm |
| 18:48.31 | nfsv4 | grumbly, i find linux not stable enough for me I seem to hit linux too much I am the boy that always touched the cans at the supermarket |
| 18:48.48 | rking | and remember there's some fanciness to the meaning of "average", it's like a weighted, moving average |
| 18:48.55 | nfsv4 | grumbly, goto nvidia.com and find the driver |
| 18:49.02 | grumbly | nfsv4: well... maybe... you... um... need more pizza? |
| 18:49.02 | daedalus_ | nfsv4: use punctuation please... |
| 18:49.15 | grumbly | nfsv4: no source? |
| 18:49.16 | GreyBear | this place is to crouded |
| 18:49.24 | grumbly | i've got an old card (GeForce2 |
| 18:49.32 | nfsv4 | daedalus_, Sorry man. |
| 18:49.41 | grumbly | whabang: what nic? |
| 18:49.43 | daedalus_ | grumbly: it's a proprietary driver. They only distribute a binary |
| 18:49.48 | rking | GreyBear: do you have an irc client that highlights when your nick is used? that helps the place feel less crowded |
| 18:49.49 | grumbly | WICKED LAME |
| 18:49.52 | nfsv4 | whabang, what type of NIC do you have on it ? |
| 18:50.01 | nvz | I can't figure out why sometimes when I unmount a usb mass storage device it just hangs. seems to unmount fine as it dissapears from mtab and doesnt cause any loss when I unplug it but I got a damn unmount command hanging |
| 18:50.05 | GreyBear | no \ |
| 18:50.08 | grumbly | whabang: I had some serious stability issh with ubuntu |
| 18:50.09 | drac | grumbly: Don't get Latest NVidia drivers from NVidia.com, they dropped support for GeForce2. |
| 18:50.11 | whabang | An old 3com 3C515 ISA-NIC |
| 18:50.13 | GreyBear | i dont no im new at this |
| 18:50.38 | GreyBear | rking come ti channel server 4 |
| 18:50.41 | grumbly | whabang: it's not compiled in... but should be module on install.. |
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| 18:50.52 | nfsv4 | nvz, I think the USB hardware is BUGGY, physically the electronics are buggy I have seen tons of issues with this in Apples and Windows and also under Linux. Not your fault just keep trying till it works :) ! |
| 18:50.53 | grumbly | drac: I know |
| 18:51.07 | grumbly | should I switch to a fb? |
| 18:51.09 | rking | GreyBear: "channel server 4"? |
| 18:51.12 | nfsv4 | whabang, the 3c59XX drivers don't work ? |
| 18:51.16 | miz | Err.. Kay x_X |
| 18:51.24 | whabang | nope |
| 18:51.25 | GreyBear | channel 4 |
| 18:51.31 | whabang | it doesn't detect the card |
| 18:51.38 | nvz | nfsv4: it is working. its just I got a terminal locked up because the unmount command will not terminate |
| 18:51.40 | mrwill | what does it mean when I try to start stunnel, and it quits immediately with 'SSL_connect: Peer suddenly disconnected'? |
| 18:51.42 | nfsv4 | drac, No way Nvidia don't support the Geforce2 cards ? Really ? |
| 18:51.47 | nfsv4 | nvz |
| 18:51.48 | daedalus_ | nvz: have you tried stracing it? |
| 18:52.01 | grumbly | oh... yeah. one more thing. I get some sort of error on some processes... Sem_something |
| 18:52.04 | grumbly | I can't remember |
| 18:52.08 | drac | nfsv4: Really. They are planning to release separated drivers soon for "old" cards. |
| 18:52.16 | whabang | The installation gives me the option to give extra parameters to the module, but the standard params wont' work |
| 18:52.24 | nfsv4 | nvz, open a termninal and then do a lsof -l | grep /mnt/usb |
| 18:52.32 | drac | nfsv4: TNT, TNT2, GeForce1.. up to GeForce2. |
| 18:52.48 | nfsv4 | drac, that is suckusassus ! |
| 18:52.50 | whabang | I have the IRQ, DMA, and I/O-address... |
| 18:53.24 | nvz | nfsv4: what would the point of that be? |
| 18:53.25 | nfsv4 | whabang, usually if you just do a modpobe 3c59xx you are set to go and then do ifup etho etc .. |
| 18:53.26 | GreyBear | rking channel 4 |
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| 18:53.45 | akemAw | hi |
| 18:53.52 | nvz | daedalus_: yep nothing at all. I got 3 hung processes even after sucessfully killing the controlling terminal |
| 18:53.54 | GreyBear | hi |
| 18:53.56 | nfsv4 | nvz, see wha else is using the usb device so you can see if there are any openfiles using the /mnt/usbdisk drive. |
| 18:54.13 | nvz | nfsv4: the usb device is unmounted and has been removed |
| 18:54.24 | nvz | nfsv4: the mount command and 3 other processes are hung |
| 18:54.27 | akemAw | hm how can i knwo which debian version is installed on a system? |
| 18:54.27 | grumbly | damn.... I cant remember that error... |
| 18:54.30 | nvz | s/mount/umount/ |
| 18:54.33 | whabang | The 3C515 has it's own driver, as it's really a PCI-card with a built-in ISA-bridge, and therefore is rather unique. |
| 18:54.35 | nvz | s/3/2/ |
| 18:54.41 | grumbly | it was sem_proc or somthing like that. |
| 18:54.45 | grumbly | argh |
| 18:54.48 | nfsv4 | nvz, can you kill -9 those babies ? |
| 18:54.53 | akemAw | i mean like woody/sarge/..? |
| 18:54.54 | grumbly | I got it while booting and while apt-get |
| 18:54.58 | GreyBear | who believes in god here |
| 18:55.06 | nvz | nope sent umount SIGKILL many times |
| 18:55.30 | nfsv4 | whabang, sorry man ... buy new card at store ? The cheap realtek and dlink cards will for sure work in the US they are about 10$ or something at the local store |
| 18:55.37 | akemAw | plz? |
| 18:55.46 | grumbly | nfsv4: craigslist, free |
| 18:55.49 | grumbly | ? |
| 18:56.12 | nfsv4 | grumbly, you can get eths for free ? where homemade router here I come :) |
| 18:56.17 | GreyBear | wut the hell |
| 18:56.19 | akemAw | GreyBear, do you make video tutorials for blender man? |
| 18:56.26 | nvz | root 31513 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:23 0:00 [scsi_eh_3], root 31514 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:23 0:00 [usb-storage], root 31612 0.0 0.1 1852 560 ? D 14:44 0:00 umount /dev/sda1 |
| 18:56.38 | GreyBear | akemaw no |
| 18:56.40 | nvz | those are all hung and will not respond to kill signals |
| 18:56.48 | akemAw | GreyBear, ok |
| 18:56.52 | nfsv4 | nvz, look for power button and hit it.... or just unload the scsi modules and the usb moudles ? |
| 18:56.53 | grumbly | nfsv4: seriously... go to craigslist.org |
| 18:56.55 | whabang | nfsv4: Would do if it wasn't sunday... :) |
| 18:57.02 | grumbly | you'll probably find someone giving something away |
| 18:57.06 | grumbly | but it's not garanteed to work |
| 18:57.08 | GreyBear | akemaw i dont even no how to work this |
| 18:57.28 | nvz | I've been up for 11days I will try everything else imaginable before I would just reboot for no reason |
| 18:57.29 | nfsv4 | whabang, go buy one tomorrow |
| 18:57.36 | whabang | I guess I will just have to cram Windows NT onto it until then... |
| 18:57.37 | grumbly | nfsv4: have you ever seen an error that starts with sem_ |
| 18:57.38 | whabang | :) |
| 18:57.38 | grumbly | ? |
| 18:57.46 | nvz | I would have to either edit a bunch of crap or shutdown a bunch of crap again if I rebooted |
| 18:57.48 | nfsv4 | whabang, or find some kid and give him some candy to steal one from papa's machine :) |
| 18:57.56 | exobyte | What do the exec and $@ parts of this mean? exec /usr/sbin/pppd call $PROVIDER "$@ |
| 18:57.58 | GreyBear | l |
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| 18:58.10 | nfsv4 | grumbly, I have seen many errors :) |
| 18:58.10 | nvz | going out for a bit.. bbl |
| 18:58.13 | akemAw | nobody can tell me how can i know which debian release is installed on a system plz? |
| 18:58.16 | GreyBear | l |
| 18:58.18 | grumbly | cramnits!!!! |
| 18:58.21 | nvz | akemAw: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:58.24 | grumbly | I need to reboot to see the error |
| 18:58.32 | grumbly | cause I cant remember the log it'd be in |
| 18:58.38 | nfsv4 | akemAw, cat /etc/issue.net |
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| 18:58.53 | akemAw | ho cool thx nvz nfsv4 :) |
| 18:58.54 | Fryth | ok.. I'm getting a grub error 5 since i added a drive... |
| 18:59.01 | nfsv4 | grumbly, look at /var/log/messages ?? |
| 18:59.02 | Fryth | I am in knoppix right now trying to repair the grub menu.lst |
| 18:59.13 | Fryth | but nothing i try works |
| 18:59.20 | nfsv4 | Fryth, /msg me your grub |
| 18:59.24 | Fryth | ok.. hang on |
| 18:59.26 | cn | i have testing/unstable it is normal to have both? |
| 18:59.30 | nfsv4 | Fryth, you must have a typo |
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| 18:59.36 | Fryth | i didnt change anything |
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| 18:59.44 | dondelelcaro | cn: that just means you're either running testing or unstable. |
| 18:59.47 | nfsv4 | cn, abnormal yes :) |
| 19:00.06 | dondelelcaro | cn: to figure out which, run apt-cache policy; |
| 19:00.31 | cn | it means that every one use testing has it? |
| 19:00.43 | dondelelcaro | cn: yes, as does everyone who uses unstable. |
| 19:00.57 | cn | ok i understand |
| 19:00.58 | cn | ^^ |
| 19:00.59 | akemAw | thx :) |
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| 19:01.27 | cn | and if someone has sarge what say system about? |
| 19:01.30 | dondelelcaro | Fryth: if you can boot using the grub on your harddrive, you don't need to use knoppix; just enter the correct boot stanza to load the proper kernel. |
| 19:01.35 | cn | stable only? |
| 19:01.46 | akant | hey all, this is going to sound basic. Can someone tell me if there is a "shutdown" log in Debian? My server keeps locking on reboots when sending the term signal to all processes |
| 19:01.49 | dondelelcaro | cn: no, it will say the release number too. |
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| 19:01.54 | nfsv4 | ok need to head out need to drive 1200 miles to the ocean guys talk to you guys later |
| 19:02.00 | akant | I am running Sarge |
| 19:02.02 | dondelelcaro | akant: no, there isn't. At that point, nothing is mounted rw |
| 19:02.02 | GreyBear | i hate this |
| 19:02.13 | Fryth | dondelelcaro: I can't. I get Grub Error 5. |
| 19:02.18 | Fryth | That's the first thing GRUB tells me and then it dies. |
| 19:02.26 | mwilson | Fryth: Which is...? |
| 19:02.29 | akant | grr |
| 19:02.30 | akant | :( |
| 19:02.32 | akant | lol |
| 19:02.40 | Fryth | You're asking me what the error is? |
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| 19:02.47 | Fryth | I think it means it's missing files. |
| 19:02.51 | mwilson | Of course. Haven't you looked it up? |
| 19:02.53 | Fryth | Yes. |
| 19:02.56 | cn | release number is only for stable,right? |
| 19:02.59 | Fryth | I did some googling, i think it means it can't find the files. |
| 19:03.02 | dondelelcaro | cn: yes. |
| 19:03.02 | mwilson | Then you know what it is. What is it? |
| 19:03.22 | sombriro | yo -- did anybody receive their microsoft settlement claims form? can you use it to buy stuff off ebay? (i since switched to debian) |
| 19:03.35 | akant | any tips on how to trouble shoot this? I think it is having trouble shutting down my RAID controller |
| 19:03.38 | akant | not sure |
| 19:03.43 | sombriro | i go that $93 voucher |
| 19:03.49 | GreyBear | fuck!!!!! |
| 19:03.52 | akant | Compaq Prolian ML370 G2 |
| 19:04.11 | sombriro | GreyBear what |
| 19:04.13 | sombriro | don't curse |
| 19:04.15 | sombriro | 93$ |
| 19:04.17 | sombriro | from microsoft |
| 19:04.23 | sombriro | cuz everyone sued them |
| 19:04.27 | Fryth | So how do I rebuild the grub tables from knoppix? Does it involve chroot? |
| 19:04.30 | cn | i can also look at sources.list to see what type i use ? |
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| 19:04.49 | exobyte | What do the exec and $@ parts of this mean? exec /usr/sbin/pppd call $PROVIDER "$@ |
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| 19:05.01 | mwilson | "grub tables"? I don't even use grub and I know there's no such thing as "grub tables". |
| 19:05.04 | GreyBear | ican figure anythihn out thats all |
| 19:05.12 | Fryth | The menu.lst. |
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| 19:05.18 | Fryth | is what I meant. |
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| 19:05.25 | GreyBear | i mean i cant figure anything out |
| 19:05.49 | Fryth | Thanks for 1) telling me to RTFM when I already did, 2) calling me ignorant and 3) admitting you don't use i. |
| 19:05.52 | Fryth | real helpful |
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| 19:06.03 | TNKS | hi all. I a while ago installed a .deb file manually. I later purged it, but it's record seems to persist in dpkg. Is there anyway to purge this? |
| 19:06.15 | Matthew_I | will I be able to use an ATI tv wonder to capture video from a VCR under linux/debian? |
| 19:06.16 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 19:06.17 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: dpkg -l foopkgname; |
| 19:06.38 | TNKS | I tried both --clear-avail and --forget-old-unavil. |
| 19:06.49 | Matthew_I | cokecan_: u got that stuff working yet? |
| 19:06.50 | Mardus | I wrote a file in Xedit, attempted to save it, but instead used a load function. Is there any way to recover the unsaved text file? |
| 19:06.51 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: just give us the output of dpkg -l foopkgname for starters. |
| 19:06.58 | TNKS | okay |
| 19:07.01 | mwilson | <sigh> |
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| 19:07.53 | TNKS | "dpkg -l fglrx" yeilds "pn fglrx 4.3.0-4.11 (no description available)" |
| 19:08.49 | TNKS | It makes sense that it's marked "purge" and that it's "not installed". . . but I don't see any reason for dpkg to continue remembering this if it's not even available. |
| 19:08.50 | mwilson | Man, why do people voluntarily use grub? |
| 19:08.50 | s_ward | hmm, Fryth's gone now.. Grub Stage 1.5/2 errors: 5 - partition table corrupt -- ouch |
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| 19:09.18 | mwilson | s_ward: it depends on which error list you're using as to what that error means. |
| 19:09.31 | Mardus | mwilson: Apparently because it's default on some distros or has more features than Lilo. |
| 19:09.40 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: that just means that there is still an entry for it in the status file. It's not a big deal |
| 19:09.42 | thingfish | mwilson: do you ever actually contribute anything, or do you just hang out here and find fault. |
| 19:09.45 | Mardus | I use a diskette bootloader. |
| 19:10.07 | TNKS | dondelelcaro, is there any way to manage that file? |
| 19:10.22 | mwilson | thingfish: Yes, asking Fryth what the error message meant (since I don't use it and admit that I don't) is *certainly* finding fault. |
| 19:10.25 | Mardus | "Man, why do people voluntarily use Windows?" |
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| 19:11.04 | s_ward | mwilson, there are only a two error lists.. stage 1 errors aren't numbered.. where's "the other error 5"? |
| 19:11.08 | mwilson | thingfish: How *dare* I suppose that the person using it had actually looked up the error! |
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| 19:11.21 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: you can edit it by hand, but dpkg doesn't have any method to delete old entries from the status file. |
| 19:11.28 | Matthew_I | will I be able to use an ATI tv wonder to capture video from a VCR under linux/debian? |
| 19:11.32 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: what exactly are you trying to do, anyway? |
| 19:11.37 | mwilson | s_ward: Original grub, grub "legacy", and whatever the FSF is calling the new grub. |
| 19:11.55 | purestorm_ | How can I wait until a file is created? |
| 19:11.58 | mwilson | thingfish: Which, by the way, he obviously had not. |
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| 19:12.02 | s_ward | mwilson, if he's using grub2, yes, idiot, marked as experimental |
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| 19:12.42 | mwilson | s_ward: Original grub calls error 5 a disk geometry error. |
| 19:12.51 | Mardus | Matthew_I: Well, you'd have to know if there's a driver for your ATI TV Wonder. |
| 19:13.10 | mwilson | s_ward: Legacy grub says it's a partition table error. I have no idea what grub2 calls it. |
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| 19:14.11 | TNKS | dondelelcaro, I'm just trying to understand dpkg better. I'm just surprised that a file will just build up entries with no mechanism to keep it more current. That's one thing that always bothered me about Windows, that the registry was impossible to maintain. |
| 19:14.46 | mwilson | TNKS: Uh, why wouldn't you want an entry for it in the status file? |
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| 19:15.33 | TNKS | I might never install some packages again, and it doesn't make sense for the record to persist forever. |
| 19:16.03 | mwilson | To you it doesn't. To me it does, as it records that the package was at one time installed. So, who's right? |
| 19:16.18 | TNKS | I mean. . . honestly. . . my system isn't really in an trouble. I'm just used to having a lot of control over details. |
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| 19:16.37 | Piukeman | hello |
| 19:16.46 | jetx | thou shalt not install the new lincity |
| 19:16.56 | dTheory | so I tried everything I could.. and am still stumped on getting my raid drives to be read in linux |
| 19:16.57 | jetx | unless you want to lose other stuff |
| 19:16.59 | SimonRaven | it's a fucking hog |
| 19:17.03 | mwilson | If you say so. What's "lincity"? |
| 19:17.11 | SimonRaven | lincity-ng |
| 19:17.13 | TNKS | but deleting entries manually in something as crucial as dpkg seems kind of dangerous, so I'm not so interested in that. |
| 19:17.16 | s_ward | mwilson, is the original grub even available as a Debian package? |
| 19:17.19 | Piukeman | i have a problem i have debian in a hd of 17 gb ...i made an image in another hd |
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| 19:17.39 | jetx | think bigger, Piukeman |
| 19:17.41 | Piukeman | i format an resize the hd in 20 gb an restore the image |
| 19:17.48 | jetx | ok |
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| 19:17.53 | jetx | that's > |
| 19:17.54 | mwilson | s_ward: I have no idea. It's not something I keep track of. But resources accessible via Google don't necessarily identify what version they go with. |
| 19:18.02 | Piukeman | but when i run df i still get 17 gb |
| 19:18.06 | Piukeman | any idea |
| 19:18.29 | s_ward | mwilson, my resources are apt-cache search, the grub info pages on my systems, and google |
| 19:18.36 | jetx | you backed up the partition not the files so it makes you a 17gb partition is my guess, Piukeman |
| 19:18.49 | Piukeman | any way to fix |
| 19:18.50 | balzac | i screwed up my .bashrc file |
| 19:19.04 | balzac | how can i edit it now that it's screwed up? |
| 19:19.11 | jetx | maybe cp the files to a fresh partition, but not my forte, Piukeman |
| 19:19.15 | two|face | perhaps you could create a new account and copy it |
| 19:19.16 | Piukeman | jetx, no becasu with cfdisk or fdisk i get it is of 20 |
| 19:19.27 | mwilson | balzac: With the text editor of your choice, of course. |
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| 19:19.38 | rking | balzac: can you log in as root? |
| 19:19.51 | dondelelcaro | ugh, you don't need to do that. |
| 19:19.54 | Mardus | Matthew_I: I've scoured around the net a bit and then saw this: "The TV Wonder card is well supported by the Video4Linux project" -- http://www.video4linux.net |
| 19:19.59 | Mardus | " |
| 19:20.08 | balzac | mwilson, the file is hidden from gnome |
| 19:20.10 | jetx | Piukeman: i know nothing, but there is sure to be an end_of_partition bit that gets set, that you inadvertantly recreated when dd'ing the .iso back (guessing) |
| 19:20.14 | Mardus | Oh, I didn't need to put that quote there. |
| 19:20.27 | mwilson | s_ward: I really think it's unfortunate that d-i switched to grub... that was a change made purely by and for the developers, not the users. |
| 19:20.28 | dondelelcaro | balzac: yes, but any decent text editor can edit it. |
| 19:20.54 | mwilson | balzac: "hidden from Gnome"? What does that mean? It's a dot-file, is all. |
| 19:21.01 | balzac | .bashrc |
| 19:21.13 | mwilson | Surelly nautilus isn't SO broken that it can't show dot-files? |
| 19:21.13 | balzac | isn't there a setting that makes .filenames invisible? |
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| 19:21.22 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: the whole point of switching to d-i was for the developers; the users don't enter into architectural decisions at all; |
| 19:21.32 | balzac | where can i change that setting? |
| 19:21.37 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: futhermore, it's not like you can't decide to install lilo trivially from d-i either. |
| 19:21.51 | balzac | see, it's the .bashrc in /root |
| 19:22.02 | balzac | so i can't access it with gedit .bashrc |
| 19:22.11 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Like users are competent to make that decision or be able to do it if they did. |
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| 19:22.26 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: if they aren't competent, the default is good enough for them. |
| 19:22.30 | nirrr | Hi. was there a recent update in debian that could have broken memcached on my box? |
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| 19:22.42 | dondelelcaro | nirrr: have you checked the bts yet? |
| 19:22.47 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: they wouldn't be able to drive lilo either. |
| 19:22.48 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: And yes, architectural decisions are made for the users... I seem to remember that in a Debian document somewhere. |
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| 19:23.16 | tech9iner | thingfish heyya buddi ;] |
| 19:23.29 | thingfish | hey tech9iner |
| 19:23.34 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: not ones that don't have any effect on users; the vast majority are made from a developer's standpoint: "What design will make this thing possible to maintain" |
| 19:23.36 | tech9iner | thingfish iz lookn 4ya in .... YouKnowWhere rofl |
| 19:23.39 | dTheory | so I dont spam, can someone help me with this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350871 |
| 19:23.43 | s_ward | if it's hard for the developers to make things easier for the users how do they make things easier for the users? |
| 19:23.52 | Mardus | Matthew_I: See http://www.linuxlogin.com/linux/ati_tv.php |
| 19:23.58 | cisco | I have a laptop hp pavilion zt 3000 and the ventilation system don't work |
| 19:24.02 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Changing from lilo to grub has nothing to do with ease of maintenance. |
| 19:24.06 | cisco | please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:24.12 | s_ward | no!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:24.25 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: It has to do with power-users wanting features useless to 99.9% of users. |
| 19:24.54 | Mardus | cisco: You can be less dramatic. |
| 19:24.57 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Especially since the post-Xu flipflop about using distribution kernels. |
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| 19:25.04 | rking | cisco: hardware problems suck. i'm about to pay money tomorrow to have one of my machines worked on, which is totally crying uncle for me to do (pay money, that is) |
| 19:25.04 | Supaplex | !ep |
| 19:25.04 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:25.07 | balzac | jesus |
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| 19:26.13 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: sure it does; the people who are writing that code understand grub better, and wanted to make the change. |
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| 19:26.44 | nirrr | dondelelcaro: bts does not have any special report on it |
| 19:27.09 | jetx | cisco: open it up, screw the parts to a piece of plywood, and get you a big big fan |
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| 19:27.16 | Mardus | cisco: You can take your HP Pavilion to a nearby HP's repair shop, if its guarantee time hasn't expired. Otherwise, you can also take it to a whichever hardware repair shop that is good with laptops. |
| 19:27.33 | cisco | I am from and here dont have a tech service for laptop |
| 19:27.36 | rares000 | how do I tell dpkg or apt to remove recommended and suggested packages |
| 19:27.58 | dondelelcaro | rares000: apt-get remove packagename; just like anything else. |
| 19:27.59 | mwilson | rares000: You don't. |
| 19:28.06 | cisco | on windows xp mi ventilation system work |
| 19:28.07 | Mardus | cisco: You are from somewhere, but I could not read the name of the location that you supposedly wrote. |
| 19:28.15 | tech9iner | hmmm.. tech9iner 's jealous of competing yoda speaker rofl |
| 19:28.37 | cisco | Venezuela |
| 19:28.52 | Mardus | cisco: Do you perhaps mean, that it's the CPU fan that you have problems with? |
| 19:29.02 | rares000 | mwilson the package recommendations and suggestions are so out there |
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| 19:29.33 | dondelelcaro | rares000: you realize that apt-get doesn't install recommends and suggests by default, right? |
| 19:29.43 | jetx | rares000: don't let them get installed. i prefer dselect for that level of control. |
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| 19:29.59 | dondelelcaro | (and if you're using aptitude, it's a trivial configuration change to not install recommended packages?) |
| 19:30.10 | mwilson | rares000: <shrug> It was your choice whether to install them or not in the first place, as apt-get didn't do it. If you want something to manage that for you, you need to use one of the package management tools, rather than a low-level utility like apt-get. |
| 19:30.55 | balzac | oh well, i'll just reinstall the operating system |
| 19:30.56 | rares000 | I admit I get gadget happy sometimes |
| 19:31.01 | balzac | it's a trick i learned from using windows |
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| 19:31.20 | mwilson | balzac: You'll reinstall the OS because you can't edit a text file. That's an interesting approach. |
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| 19:31.38 | mwilson | balzac: How will reinstalling the OS give you that skill? |
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| 19:31.50 | jetx | grubdischotaptoverplugtitude <--- translation: grub discover hotplug & aptitude SUCK (if you're a "power user")(power user wtf came up with that name) |
| 19:31.50 | balzac | i did it the other day because i didn't know how to edit the conf file that holds information about the monitor |
| 19:32.09 | dondelelcaro | balzac: just run vi /root/.bashrc; or whatever; it's fairly trivial. |
| 19:32.19 | dondelelcaro | (or nano if you're not comfortable with vi) |
| 19:32.21 | s_ward | balzac, the thing called "nautilus" on my system has a menu option to show hidden files in the view menu (it's likely a different version though) |
| 19:32.22 | Phated | nano, perhaps. |
| 19:32.26 | jetx | !drxx balzac |
| 19:32.26 | mwilson | jetx: Don't suggest to people that they voluntarily use discover. :) |
| 19:32.27 | dpkg | balzac: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:32.36 | s_ward | balzac, you can always open a terminal |
| 19:32.40 | jetx | mwilson: i suggest that they purge them all |
| 19:32.45 | jetx | or would |
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| 19:33.06 | Mardus | mwilson: I only know less than a handful of commands of vi after almost half-a year using Linux. nano is better. |
| 19:33.10 | balzac | oh well, someday i'll laugh at myself for doing what i did |
| 19:33.11 | dondelelcaro | nothing wrong with using aptitude. |
| 19:33.15 | Mardus | mwilson: usability-wise |
| 19:33.20 | Supaplex | better is relative |
| 19:33.22 | mwilson | Mardus: No offense, but you tell me this because...? |
| 19:33.23 | ma3x | why is 850 of my 900mb ram used? all processes in top show that they use only little ram. |
| 19:33.23 | jetx | nano is easier.. and i too prefer nano... nano -w that is |
| 19:33.25 | balzac | i also screwed up an modem install and failed to install ruby |
| 19:33.34 | balzac | i failed to install java too |
| 19:33.36 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Until one of its umpteeen bugs munches your install. |
| 19:33.47 | jetx | ma3x: it's by design, it will get released when needed |
| 19:33.47 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: I still haven't run into those. |
| 19:33.49 | Supaplex | ma3x: unused ram is wasted ram. 10 to 1 I bet it's used for disk cache |
| 19:33.53 | balzac | i tried to use alien to convert the package i downloaded to a .deb |
| 19:33.57 | Mardus | mwilson: Because I wanted to second what Phated said. |
| 19:34.03 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: The BTS would seem to indicate that quite a few people have. |
| 19:34.12 | balzac | i figured i'd already made a mess i couldn't clean up, so why not start over? |
| 19:34.15 | exobyte | What do the exec and $@ parts of this mean? exec /usr/sbin/pppd call $PROVIDER "$@" |
| 19:34.17 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yes; I've seen then. I personally haven't run into them though. |
| 19:34.18 | Mardus | balzac: Java is not that important. |
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| 19:34.36 | dondelelcaro | s/then/them/ |
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| 19:34.51 | balzac | there's one little widget i'm using that requires java |
| 19:35.10 | ma3x | ok, how about 'famd' process? it freezes sometimes apps like amaroK or firefox... |
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| 19:35.36 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: I will never understand why aptitude is recommended so often when it's such a poor Debian citizen. |
| 19:35.38 | Mardus | balzac: Starting over *seems* to me like doing the same mistakes again. |
| 19:35.50 | Supaplex | exobyte: help exec (from a bash prompt). and man bash (for the $@ part) |
| 19:35.50 | balzac | <dondelelcaro> balzac: just run vi /root/.bashrc; or whatever; it's fairly trivial. |
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| 19:36.01 | exobyte | Supaplex: heh |
| 19:36.04 | exobyte | Supaplex: ok |
| 19:36.11 | balzac | dondelelcaro, isn't the .bashrc where you define things like the command you'd use to open the file in vi? |
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| 19:36.20 | dondelelcaro | balzac: no. |
| 19:36.22 | mwilson | balzac: Uh, no. |
| 19:36.33 | dotz | Guys, can I have entries for all debians (stable, unstable, testing) in sources.list, but make apt-get upgrade to upgrade only to testing packages? |
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| 19:36.42 | balzac | it was after i screwed up my .bashrc file that i couldn't open it in gedit anymore |
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| 19:36.53 | dondelelcaro | (assuming your basrc isn't so munged that you can't even open a login shell, in which case you use the --norc and --noprofile options) |
| 19:36.55 | balzac | even 'dir' wouldn't work |
| 19:36.56 | Mardus | balzac: .bashrc is the bash shell config file, AFAIK. I think you had problems with X. |
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| 19:37.17 | dondelelcaro | balzac: because dir is an alias to ls; ls will work fine. |
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| 19:37.46 | Mardus | balzac: to see files in directories in console, use ls instead |
| 19:37.49 | dotz | The reason is, I'd like to use testing, but have some packages (like mozilla-firefox) from unstable. |
| 19:37.52 | mwilson | Debian still aliases 'dir' to 'ls'? Man, this install HAS been around for ages. |
| 19:37.52 | dotz | Is it possible? |
| 19:38.09 | balzac | ok |
| 19:38.15 | dondelelcaro | dotz: you can using pinning; but it's not recommended. |
| 19:38.35 | balzac | i have to get basic skills because i can't do anything right |
| 19:38.37 | dotz | dondelelcaro: Where can I read about it ? |
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| 19:39.03 | dondelelcaro | dotz: man apt_preferences; |
| 19:39.22 | dotz | dondelelcaro: Thanks! |
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| 19:39.35 | Mardus | balzac: dir is a dow/windows console command, ls is a UNIX/Linux command for listing files. I've grown to ls so much that in DOS I happen to write ls out of habit and then I realise it's DOS, not Linux. |
| 19:39.56 | balzac | how about cd ? |
| 19:40.17 | dondelelcaro | it's still called cd. |
| 19:40.18 | Mardus | balzac: cd is the same here and there. Probably with more options in Linux. |
| 19:40.20 | xinming | anyone here can tell me why will I get the message "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 19:40.20 | xinming | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.20 | xinming | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y |
| 19:40.20 | xinming | " Everytime I install a package? |
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| 19:40.36 | xinming | Oops.~~~ |
| 19:40.40 | dondelelcaro | xinming: do not paste here. read /topic and use the paster bot. |
| 19:41.08 | xinming | dondelelcaro: Sorry, I just thought I might not be a long list. :-) |
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| 19:41.24 | Supaplex | mwilson: ahhh the potato days. :) |
| 19:41.25 | xinming | can anyone answer my question? |
| 19:41.38 | martman | i just did a deb installed and on first boot it didnt go threw the ncurses wizzard thingy....after, i installed apache and apachetop and got this |
| 19:41.40 | martman | cannot connect to fam: Connection refused |
| 19:41.43 | Supaplex | xinming: google that warning and see |
| 19:41.48 | mwilson | Supaplex: Yeah, the install on this box has been around since the first Potato freeze. |
| 19:41.49 | martman | apt says fam is installed |
| 19:41.49 | apt | martman: okay |
| 19:41.52 | martman | but im clueless now |
| 19:42.00 | Supaplex | mwilson: ditto :) |
| 19:42.43 | Mardus | balzac: Editing a text file is a basic skill; it will help you to correct the mistakes you did when you installed Debian. |
| 19:42.56 | martman | apt idea? |
| 19:42.56 | apt | idea is probably that each program simply registers itself with the menu, (simple directory hierarchy I think), and each WM package is responsible for reading the menu hierarchy to create its internal menu. |
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| 19:43.02 | stu | hi |
| 19:43.08 | stu | how would you specify in iptables -s if you want to allow all ip's starting with 81.xxx.yyy.zzz? |
| 19:43.11 | mwilson | Supaplex: My firewall box has been around since Woody suddenly became testing and screwed the world up. |
| 19:43.14 | zzz | ? |
| 19:43.20 | s_ward | apt forget says fam |
| 19:43.20 | apt | s_ward: i forgot says fam |
| 19:43.49 | balzac | Mardus, i'm using ubuntu. |
| 19:44.07 | balzac | i've installed debian stable a couple times. maybe i should try unstable. |
| 19:44.08 | dotz | dondelelcaro: Got that pinning. Thanks again for it :) |
| 19:44.09 | mwilson | balzac: Then why are you asking questions in #debian? |
| 19:44.25 | Supaplex | oh, so you're using a distro that use debian package management, but not debian itsellf. |
| 19:44.31 | Mardus | balzac: Oh. Can anyone suggest balzac #ubuntu or something? |
| 19:44.44 | balzac | mwilson, because ubuntu is based on debian, and therefore, basic functionality should be the same here and there, like editing a text file |
| 19:44.45 | Mardus | I don't happen to know the ubuntu IRC chat name. |
| 19:44.52 | deadcat | balzac: try #ubuntu |
| 19:44.57 | pusling | is there a way to find a mysql 4.0.20-package anywhere ? |
| 19:44.58 | s_ward | !based on debian |
| 19:44.59 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 19:45.28 | balzac | i wouldn't install debian over again for a trifle, because its install is not so easy |
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| 19:45.47 | Supaplex | balzac: they have their own crew to manage/maintain that distro. should we be responsible for every debian like distro out there? ehhm no. |
| 19:45.48 | obitori | I've got an Inspiron 8100 with no sound in KDE or Gnome. I've googled. The driver for my maestro3 card is picked up by the default 2.6 kernel. No joy. Is this the right channel to seek help? |
| 19:46.02 | balzac | hey, it wasn't like i was asking a question that was about a feature specific to ubuntu |
| 19:46.22 | balzac | i could ask that question in fedora and it would be the same |
| 19:46.32 | Mardus | balzac: You can try installing Sarge (if you haven't tried that before) and then come and ask away in here. |
| 19:47.06 | balzac | which debian uses the 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:47.13 | obitori | testing |
| 19:47.14 | deadcat | balzac: none |
| 19:47.19 | pusling | balzac: people over in #ubuntu are quite friendly as well on same network |
| 19:47.33 | dTheory | can someone help me out? (so I dont have to spam my problem, here is a link to my forum post) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350871 |
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| 19:47.58 | Mardus | balzac: woody and sarge use 2.6, AFAIK. woody (3.0) is older, so if you have a decent computer, install sarge. sarge has 2.4 and 2.6, woody has 2.2, 2.4 and I think 2.6 too. |
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| 19:48.15 | pusling | Mardus: no 2.6 in woody |
| 19:48.21 | obitori | balzac: my testing (Debian net install CD) distro default kernel is 2.6.8-2 |
| 19:48.23 | Mardus | pusling: didn't know that |
| 19:48.34 | deadcat | Mardus: now you do. |
| 19:48.49 | Mardus | deadcat: So I can tell it right the next time. |
| 19:48.52 | pusling | Mardus: 2.6 is quite new (like one and a half year.) woody is a bit older |
| 19:48.53 | deadcat | Mardus: (= |
| 19:48.55 | balzac | the reason i ordered ubuntu is because it's based on debian, supposedly easy and they mail you the CD for free. |
| 19:49.05 | Supaplex | yea, sarge has 2.6 (use linux26 when booting from the cd). or roll one with kernel-package. |
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| 19:49.26 | martman | i just did a deb installed and on first boot it didnt go threw the ncurses wizzard thingy....after, i installed apache and apachetop and got this |
| 19:49.30 | martman | cannot connect to fam: Connection refused |
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| 19:49.39 | mwilson | balzac: And ugly as h*ll. |
| 19:49.52 | dTheory | thats weird |
| 19:49.54 | dTheory | i call myself d |
| 19:49.56 | balzac | mwilson, what do you find ugly about it? |
| 19:49.57 | dTheory | and my real name is alex |
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| 19:50.35 | hArTh | Q: How do you permanently change the desktop screen resolution in a vanilla debian installation? |
| 19:50.39 | mwilson | Whatever idiot designed Ubuntu's default theme took lessons from the KDE crowd. |
| 19:50.54 | mwilson | Color-wise, anyway. |
| 19:51.08 | balzac | my old debian stable woody CD installs KDE by default |
| 19:51.15 | balzac | if i remember correctly |
| 19:51.16 | Mardus | balzac: The point of asking debian-only questions in here is that there are very many people in this room and all need debian answers to their debian questions. I can freely assume that there are markedly less people in #ubuntu than in here and being there means that you're giving people here a chance to converse more about debian. I wonder how to explain this better. |
| 19:51.24 | mwilson | No, it installs both KDE and Gnome by default. |
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| 19:52.02 | Mardus | balzac: You can do a dist-upgrade for woody, so you can get sarge off the net. |
| 19:52.07 | mwilson | Mardus: Usually, though, there's a lot of Gnome clue in #ubuntu (it being what it is), and little OS clue. |
| 19:52.09 | balzac | i'm on dialup |
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| 19:52.33 | Mardus | balzac: Which explains why you liked the free delivery of Ubuntu. |
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| 19:52.48 | crispynix-v6 | mwilson: GNOME being what, IYO? |
| 19:52.57 | balzac | yeah, it's nice of them. |
| 19:52.59 | satHan | /channel #ati |
| 19:53.19 | mwilson | crispynix-v6: Huh? Ubuntu being the Gnome-wet-dream distribution, there's always a lot of Gnome clue there. |
| 19:53.44 | Supaplex | ~start a wm war |
| 19:53.44 | apt | enlightenment is the ONLY wm to use! |
| 19:53.44 | crispynix-v6 | mwilson: No kidding, I'm just wondering what gnome is in your opinion ;p |
| 19:53.59 | satHan | eah, whats the appropriate way to go about building the ATI Radeon kernel module? I'm running 2.6.8 and have the sources installed and configured already, could use a pointer |
| 19:54.02 | obitori | I checked that my user is in audio group. I even changed /dev/dsp to 666. (Maybe that's the problem ;-) I get /dev/dsp resource unavailable. Maestro is in lsmod. I dont know what to do to get sound. |
| 19:54.04 | mwilson | Well, there's always a lot of Gnome fanaticism there, whether it's clued or not I leave up to you. |
| 19:54.07 | Mardus | Oh, on old comps, twm is the only usable choice. |
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| 19:54.18 | crispynix-v6 | mwilson: you're avoiding the real question =) |
| 19:54.28 | Supaplex | blackbox isn't all that bad |
| 19:54.44 | Mardus | Supaplex: What if you have 32M of RAM? |
| 19:54.51 | mwilson | crispynix-v6: No, I'm avoiding your pointless attempt to start yet another DE war. |
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| 19:55.00 | crispynix-v6 | mwilson: heh |
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| 19:55.09 | hArTh | Q: How do you permanently change the desktop screen resolution in a vanilla debian installation? |
| 19:55.26 | Supaplex | hArTh: reconfigure |
| 19:56.14 | FieldySnuts | ~start a de war |
| 19:56.16 | FieldySnuts | feh |
| 19:56.39 | Mardus | I think I have a bad block somewhere on the hard drive that has debian. I also have TomsRTBT on a diskette. Is it appropriate to ask TomsRTBT questions here or rather seek info from TomsRTBT's site? |
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| 19:57.26 | Supaplex | man badblocks may be what your looking for |
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| 19:57.58 | Mardus | Supaplex: I've read in here that one has to boot a diskette that has a program to search for bad blocks. |
| 19:58.24 | Mardus | Supaplex: If not in here, then somewhere on the web. |
| 19:58.42 | Supaplex | well, what's the man page say? |
| 19:58.45 | mwilson | Mardus: If you have an IDE HD that's so run out of spare sectors that they're actually visible to the OS... replace it NOW, before it dies. |
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| 19:59.12 | balzac | i'll have to try the new debian testing build |
| 19:59.14 | Mardus | mwilson: I think I have enough spare sectors. |
| 19:59.25 | mwilson | Mardus: And what leads you to think that? |
| 19:59.26 | Mardus | I'll look up the xconsole error that I got |
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| 19:59.38 | mwilson | Mardus: Since the drive isn't mapping them out? |
| 20:00.21 | Mardus | mwilson: Because df gave me 784156 kb-blocks available. |
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| 20:00.59 | mwilson | Mardus: Which has nothing to do with the spare sectors that the drive has available to map in where a sector goes bad. |
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| 20:01.40 | Mardus | mwilson: Canyou explain this to me? |
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| 20:02.02 | Fabsmad | how may I change the framebuffer resolution? |
| 20:02.15 | Fabsmad | using debian |
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| 20:02.32 | napsy | fbset ? |
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| 20:03.05 | Fabsmad | I have no fbset... |
| 20:03.08 | Mardus | Here's a sample of the many errors I got from xconsole: kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } |
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| 20:03.14 | crispynix-v6 | apt-get install fbset |
| 20:03.36 | seven_six_two | will the debian sarge net-inst format a fat32 partition for me or do i have to do it in win first? |
| 20:03.45 | mwilson | Mardus: A modern drive has zero defects. It accomplishes this by having a number of spare sectors that are mapped in by the drive firmware as sectors go bad. |
| 20:04.07 | valdyn | Mardus: a) drive broken or b) driver for your controller broken or c) hardware resource issues |
| 20:04.10 | Mardus | Another one: kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x01 { AddrMarkNotFound }, LBAsec=2354415, sector=2136624. The errors repeat on the same sectors. |
| 20:04.11 | mwilson | Mardus: When the drive runs out of spare sectors, then defects start being made visible outside the drive. |
| 20:04.53 | balzac | that's cool |
| 20:04.56 | daedalus_ | mwilson: is there any way to ask the drive what percentage/number of spare sectors are left? |
| 20:04.58 | valdyn | Mardus: if this message repeats for always the same sectors then its likely the broken drive i suppose |
| 20:05.20 | Mardus | valdyn: It happens when I try to launch Opera. |
| 20:05.21 | mwilson | daedalus_: I imagine the manufacturer has a way to do it... I don't know of a way off the top of my head. |
| 20:05.24 | Fabsmad | fbset..perhaps I'm wrong...I'd like to set up the resolution of the grub menu, at startup....I'm wrong? |
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| 20:05.55 | valdyn | Mardus: doesnt matter really, except as a way to reproduce this error. |
| 20:06.46 | Mardus | Here's another unique error: kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=2354415, sector=2136624 |
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| 20:07.11 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: you can often see how many have been used using smartctl; some drives don't report it tough. |
| 20:07.24 | mwilson | Sometimes simple CRC errors can be corrected by rewriting the affected sectors. |
| 20:07.29 | mwilson | Sometimes not. |
| 20:07.58 | Mardus | And another: kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:45 (hdb), sector 2136624 |
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| 20:08.04 | Fabsmad | I'd like to set up the screen resolution when I see grub menu. Have I to change the framebuffer resolution? |
| 20:08.09 | AjLavJo | hey people |
| 20:08.29 | balzac | hey person |
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| 20:08.40 | victorhansel | hi all |
| 20:08.47 | Fabsmad | ciao belli! |
| 20:08.49 | AjLavJo | i need a gui to extract .gz files, anyone know a good one? |
| 20:08.52 | balzac | hi one |
| 20:08.58 | Mardus | AjLavJo: 7zip |
| 20:09.10 | Mardus | Fabsmad: ciao bello |
| 20:09.19 | Fabsmad | yeah! |
| 20:09.20 | mwilson | AjLavJo: Extract? It's just a compressed file. |
| 20:09.45 | AjLavJo | so how i view it if it's text? |
| 20:09.52 | Mardus | Fabsmad: Actually, I don't speak Italian. |
| 20:09.53 | fatal__ | AjLavJo: gnome has fileroller to manage archives. |
| 20:09.54 | victorhansel | how can I change my login manager because I have not the original one ? thanks |
| 20:10.17 | Fabsmad | actually, I try to speak English!! |
| 20:10.21 | AjLavJo | name me one then cause i got no link for those files to open it |
| 20:10.27 | mwilson | AjLavJo: <shrug> Use zcat, or configure less with lessopen or lesspipe. It's certainly nothing you need a GUI for. |
| 20:10.29 | s_ward | AjLavJo, gunzip, and pick a text editor out of many (nano) |
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| 20:10.51 | AjLavJo | so simple...i didn't know, thanks :) |
| 20:10.55 | valdyn | victorhansel: dpkg-reconfigure <*dm> |
| 20:10.57 | mwilson | Gnome has fileroller to screw up archives. |
| 20:11.07 | balzac | how does it screw them up? |
| 20:11.09 | mwilson | When has that EVER worked? |
| 20:11.12 | AjLavJo | is there a way i can assign my own sym link to those files myself? |
| 20:11.22 | Mardus | balzac: Maybe it's not reliable. |
| 20:11.23 | s_ward | AjLavJo, man ln |
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| 20:11.44 | Fabsmad | anyone knows how to change the screen resolution before loading kernel? |
| 20:12.08 | Mardus | Fabsmad: You mean, before starting Linux or before login or specifically before loading the kernel? |
| 20:12.10 | balzac | that's interesting |
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| 20:12.24 | Fabsmad | before starting linux |
| 20:12.30 | victorhansel | valdyn : it says that : bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 20:12.30 | TyreseJones | some of my computers do not have PXE boot enabled NIC's - How can I get them to boot from the network?? *boot floppy is not an option* |
| 20:12.31 | s_ward | Fabsmad, apt-cache search kernel-doc ; install it, it's in /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-<version>/Documentation/fb/ |
| 20:12.45 | s_ward | (assuming framebugger) |
| 20:12.50 | mwilson | Do a boot CD, then. |
| 20:12.52 | s_ward | s/gg/ff/ |
| 20:13.05 | mwilson | Why wouldn't a boot floppy be an option? |
| 20:13.36 | Mardus | balzac: Well, a woody version of AbiWord is not reliable either (unstable in some instances). Siag Office's Pathetic Writer is reliable (writes .rtf, but I don't think it reads .doc) and Ted is also reliable (reads and writes .rtf). |
| 20:14.07 | victorhansel | the problem is when I login in kde, I don't have any options like log as terminal session etc... |
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| 20:14.48 | valdyn | victorhansel: when typing which command? |
| 20:15.02 | Mardus | victorhansel: Have you tried Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to the console? You can use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (up to F6) and then revert back to Ctrl+Alt+F7 to see the GUI again. |
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| 20:15.27 | dTheory | can someone help me with this? (i have a forum link) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350871 |
| 20:15.29 | victorhansel | valdyn : dpkg-reconfigure <*dm> |
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| 20:15.42 | valdyn | victorhansel: type 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm' |
| 20:16.25 | balzac | Pathetic Writer |
| 20:16.30 | balzac | that's quite a name |
| 20:16.37 | Mardus | But how do I search for bad blocks? Would I have to exit debian and use a diskette tool? |
| 20:16.41 | victorhansel | valdyn : I try that and I come back, thank you |
| 20:17.19 | mwilson | Replace the drive. |
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| 20:17.39 | mwilson | For what they cost, unless your data is meaningless to you, there's no point to doing anything else. |
| 20:17.56 | victorhansel | it is not working I have the same login area |
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| 20:18.28 | valdyn | victorhansel: dpkg-reconfigure kdm will set kdm to be your login manager. which one do you want? |
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| 20:19.02 | Mardus | Pathetic Writer is nice. I have a 3.5.1 version. It saves rtf, .abw (AbiWord's own format), its own .pw format, html, .ps (PostScript) and .pdf |
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| 20:19.07 | victorhansel | valdyn : when I type it, it say to me kmd is not installed |
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| 20:19.11 | TyreseJones | mwilson, i can't have a floppy drive because of inquisitive students |
| 20:19.19 | valdyn | victorhansel: so install it? |
| 20:19.26 | colmore | how would i go about exploring the hard drive of a pocket pc device that i can connect to my system via USB? |
| 20:19.31 | valdyn | victorhansel: depending on what you want. |
| 20:19.31 | Mardus | balzac: I forgot to address you with what I wrote about the Pathetic Writer. |
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| 20:19.37 | victorhansel | it's odd, because before I didn't have to do taht |
| 20:19.42 | mwilson | TyreseJones: What does that mean? |
| 20:20.13 | Mardus | balzac: Anyway, it's very handy if you'd like to make simple PDF files. |
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| 20:20.56 | Mardus | balzac: Only that my version only has PDF export, no import... |
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| 20:21.04 | filippo | hi |
| 20:21.06 | TyreseJones | mwilson, with regards to the booting my systems over a network, and they don't have PXE-NIC's - you said make a boot cd - then asked why floppy disks are not an option |
| 20:21.11 | ludi | What packages do I need to install in order to print to a Canon? |
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| 20:21.25 | MastrYoda | What is the open source alternative to ms .net? |
| 20:21.28 | Mardus | ludi: apt-cache search canon |
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| 20:22.07 | Hodge | MastrYoda: Mono |
| 20:22.32 | mwilson | TyreseJones: You made a nonsense statement, which I asked you to amplify. |
| 20:22.38 | Mardus | ludi: If the list is too long to scoll up with Shift+PgUp, do this: apt-cache search canon|pager (pager views the result from the beginning, use PageDown button to go down. Type q to quit or s to save) |
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| 20:23.05 | sparkx | hi everyone |
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| 20:23.22 | Mardus | ludi: I'll repeat the apt-cache thing: apt-cache search canon | pager |
| 20:23.33 | s_ward | colmore, see: man mount, and some pretty standard commands: ls, cd |
| 20:23.48 | Fabsmad | how can I read /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.6.8/Documentation/fb? |
| 20:23.52 | Mardus | ludi: Because I wrote an explanation about pager, but I couldn't see the commands for which I gave it. |
| 20:24.02 | Fabsmad | not from browser... |
| 20:24.04 | Mardus | Fabsmad: man fb |
| 20:24.16 | Fabsmad | ops! thanks |
| 20:24.20 | Mardus | Fabsmad: It's just a wild guess, but I'd try it first. |
| 20:24.36 | liable | um, isnt it just a text file? |
| 20:24.50 | Fabsmad | it doesn't work!! |
| 20:25.03 | Mardus | Fabsmad: Sorry. |
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| 20:25.30 | Mardus | Fabsmad: Then I'd try this: nano /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.6.8/Documentation/fb |
| 20:25.50 | Col_Kernel | Fabsmad: cd /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.6.8/Documentation/fb; ls |
| 20:25.53 | s_ward | Fabsmad, that is a directory.. there are files in that directory, one of which should be relevant |
| 20:25.56 | TyreseJones | mwilson, some of my computers do not have PXE boot enabled NIC's - How can I get them to boot from the network?? *boot floppy/CD is not an option, because students will steal/remove/break* |
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| 20:25.57 | Fabsmad | Mardus: there are only .gz files |
| 20:26.05 | isd | Hi... when i run xorgcfg then i get a movement of mouse with just some dots in the background, but when i run startx then i get xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/mouse No such file or directory. |
| 20:26.09 | isd | PreInit failed for input device "Mouse0" No Core pointer |
| 20:26.11 | s_ward | Fabsmad, zcat | less |
| 20:26.13 | Col_Kernel | Fabsmad: zless |
| 20:26.40 | Mardus | Fabsmad: cd /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.6.8/Documentation/fb; ls |
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| 20:27.26 | victorhansel | I have done a picture, I have this login area : http://bobhansel.free.fr/ecrire/upload/PICT0119.JPG and I would like to have the default one |
| 20:27.28 | mwilson | They're going to steal the floppies. They don't steal CD-ROM drives, or keyboards, but they're going to steal floppy drives. You have odd students. |
| 20:27.40 | Fabsmad | only .gz files like 00-index.gz |
| 20:27.52 | mwilson | If what you ACTUALLY mean is that they're going to steal the disks... who cares? |
| 20:28.03 | drac | isd: /dev/input/mice, not /dev/mouse |
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| 20:28.33 | baz | mwilson: floppy disks? is he a museum curator? |
| 20:28.40 | isd | drac: ok thanks i'll give it a try.. its a nipple mouse on an old compaq armada 7330t |
| 20:28.42 | Fabsmad | I don't believe that there are no other simple ways to read that files...why they are there in that format? |
| 20:28.43 | mwilson | baz: No idea. |
| 20:28.54 | drac | isd: could be /dev/psaux too. Try both. |
| 20:28.55 | s_ward | Fabsmad, listen to what you have been told: zcat vesafb.txt.gz | less |
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| 20:29.05 | orchid | or zless |
| 20:29.11 | linuxfreck | victorhansel: nice screenshot :) but you have the default one. If you want to try another, install kdm or gdm or wdm |
| 20:29.13 | Fabsmad | ok, I'll try |
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| 20:29.23 | mwilson | For what a PXE-enabled NIC costs, go out and buy a couple of dozen, put them in the box, you're done. |
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| 20:30.00 | MastrYoda | thanks Hodge |
| 20:30.02 | victorhansel | before I had another one and I don't know how this one is arrived. I have installed kdm and it is the same, i have still it |
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| 20:30.21 | mwilson | If you're going to be booting them PXE all the time, anyway. If you're only going to do it to deploy a machine or restore one, again, what's the problem with just using a floppy? |
| 20:30.30 | RvGaTe | Currently i have a dual boot with Windows XP on hdd0 and Debian on hdd1, if u completely format hdd1, will grub automaticly remove debian from the list at startup ? if not, what is needed to do so... |
| 20:30.34 | Mardus | victorhanseL: You could have made a smaller screenshot, around 640x480 in size |
| 20:30.35 | baz | victorhansel: I think you need to dpkg-reconfigure xdm, and tell the system which to use |
| 20:30.35 | pepsi | i just attched a usb serial adapter.. which /dev file corresponds to it? |
| 20:30.36 | subgv | how do I block everything except one ip address and all ports to it, using iptables? |
| 20:30.40 | ma3x | I've setup mplayer-586 and w32codecs from marillat, but still won't stream |
| 20:30.44 | Eclipser | mplayer says that /dev/rtc should be readable by user but it isn't, should I do something about this? |
| 20:30.44 | ma3x | I've done this a couple of times |
| 20:30.48 | ma3x | now I forgot how... |
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| 20:31.17 | ma3x | Eclipser, seems like we have related problem |
| 20:31.20 | aurax | how can i check if all my installed packages are isntalled properly? |
| 20:31.27 | ma3x | it just bitches sometimes |
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| 20:31.55 | victorhansel | baz : I try it, thanks |
| 20:32.21 | Mardus | I'm off. Bye and thanks for what advice I got. |
| 20:32.24 | Fabsmad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:32.31 | dTheory | need some help getting my raid card working (made a forum post for spam control) : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350871 |
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| 20:32.49 | s_ward | Fabsmad, there should be some other files in there |
| 20:33.21 | sparkx | Fabsmad, you are reading the index, that points you to other files. |
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| 20:34.01 | pepsi | do i need to reconfigure my kernel to see the usb-serial adapter? it shows up in lsusb, but i dont know what /dev file it would be, or what the kernel modules name would be |
| 20:34.19 | homeron28 | how i can configure framebuffer? |
| 20:34.26 | Fabsmad | ah, ok. I decide to open all .gz files and view content. It's not so elegant, but it works! |
| 20:34.32 | Fabsmad | I'm a newbye |
| 20:34.51 | s_ward | homeron28, maybe you and Fabsmad can work it out between you :) |
| 20:34.51 | ma3x | this mplayer plugin wants me to install some unstable packages |
| 20:34.52 | pepsi | zless |
| 20:34.59 | ma3x | i think i shouldn't do it |
| 20:35.02 | ma3x | right? |
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| 20:35.18 | hax | can someone help me get bluetoth working? i cant make it recognize the device |
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| 20:35.44 | User666 | http://www.damochka.org/download-video.php?videos=42823 |
| 20:35.57 | ma3x | what means contrib ? |
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| 20:36.02 | SimonRaven | User666: bugger off |
| 20:36.05 | drac | !ops Please remove User666 for spamming. |
| 20:36.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Please remove User666 for spamming. |
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| 20:36.11 | bluefox | test.. |
| 20:36.13 | drac | Thanks. ;) |
| 20:36.15 | bluefox | whew |
| 20:36.18 | bluefox | ok |
| 20:36.20 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 20:36.51 | Fabsmad | pepsi: zless file.gz: this is really elegant. Thanks |
| 20:36.56 | SimonRaven | ma3x: /sg dpkg tell me about contrib |
| 20:36.58 | bluefox | i need help fixing a dependency in apt that's stuck, and it's preventing all kinds of stuff from working..browsers, locales...half the stuff i have that uses perl.. |
| 20:37.01 | SimonRaven | ma3x: er, /msg |
| 20:37.04 | ma3x | SimonRaven, thanks |
| 20:37.18 | Fabsmad | pepsi: how can I learn fastly all this hints? |
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| 20:37.31 | SimonRaven | Fabsmad: one at a time |
| 20:37.54 | luiscpmotta | hello |
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| 20:38.04 | luiscpmotta | hello from Brazil! |
| 20:38.08 | SimonRaven | tawnshi |
| 20:38.12 | RvGaTe | Currently i have a dual boot with Windows XP on hdd0 and Debian on hdd1, if u completely format hdd1, will grub automaticly remove debian from the list at startup ? if not, what is needed to do so... |
| 20:38.16 | Fabsmad | hello from Italy! |
| 20:38.17 | togusa | hello what type of linux is debian? |
| 20:38.17 | ma3x | SimonRaven, do you know if mozilla-mplayer_2.70-1_i386.deb is for firefox as well? |
| 20:38.25 | ma3x | what do you mean what type? |
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| 20:38.35 | togusa | i mean is it solaris or is it just plain type of linux |
| 20:38.36 | ma3x | cool type |
| 20:38.42 | luiscpmotta | Debian is a real one LIUX :-) |
| 20:38.42 | baz | RvGaTe: if you format the drive, there will be no grub program to rewrite the mbr ;) |
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| 20:39.08 | togusa | cause im trying to dual boot and its asking if its solaris or linux |
| 20:39.14 | FieldySnuts | yeah right |
| 20:39.19 | luiscpmotta | i use a Brazilian Knoppix distribution called "kalango" |
| 20:39.24 | FieldySnuts | @troll togusa |
| 20:39.25 | ke6isf | togusa: It's Linux. Plain and simple. |
| 20:39.27 | luiscpmotta | "Kalango" is a kind of lizard |
| 20:39.30 | togusa | k |
| 20:39.33 | SimonRaven | ma3x: probably. the plugins are the same for all the mozilla browsers, i think all the gecko ones too, and konqueror (khtml) as well |
| 20:39.38 | RvGaTe | baz: so grub is installed on hdd1? |
| 20:39.43 | ma3x | SimonRaven, thanks! |
| 20:39.44 | togusa | troll? |
| 20:39.49 | luiscpmotta | grub is in the mbr |
| 20:39.54 | ke6isf | togusa: Solaris is not Linux. Solaris is Solaris. |
| 20:39.55 | ma3x | grub rulez! |
| 20:40.00 | togusa | oh i c |
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| 20:40.08 | baz | RvGaTe: grub writes an MBR (Master Boot Record) on the first sector of hdd0. But to change what's written there, you need to run the grub program itself. Which is on hdd1 |
| 20:40.11 | luiscpmotta | Solaris is in GNU/GPL? |
| 20:40.16 | dondelelcaro | luiscpmotta: no. |
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| 20:40.22 | SimonRaven | togusa: what else did you think? there's many flavours of unix, and linux is one of them. same for slowaris. it's different |
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| 20:40.24 | baz | RvGaTe: so better change the MBR before you nuke hdd1 |
| 20:40.25 | SimonRaven | luiscpmotta: no |
| 20:40.32 | luiscpmotta | ok |
| 20:40.34 | togusa | ok i c |
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| 20:40.39 | luiscpmotta | Unix is not Linux |
| 20:40.42 | luiscpmotta | :-p |
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| 20:40.53 | bluefox | slowaris? do i detect a bit of a grudge against solaris? |
| 20:40.55 | RvGaTe | baz: cant i just remove grubs from the mbr ? |
| 20:41.02 | dondelelcaro | luiscpmotta: linux is a unix. |
| 20:41.04 | keikoz | And GNU is Not Unix as well |
| 20:41.10 | FieldySnuts | bluefox: being that it's wholly offtopic on this entire network, quite possible |
| 20:41.21 | bluefox | lol |
| 20:41.21 | luiscpmotta | i guess not... |
| 20:41.26 | keikoz | no |
| 20:41.29 | baz | RvGaTe: of course. my point is that if you want to do it easily, then do it before you wipe that hard drive. you can't do it easily from windows without booting from cd. |
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| 20:41.33 | luiscpmotta | Unix is not free.... |
| 20:41.38 | keikoz | linux is just based on some unix standards |
| 20:41.44 | luiscpmotta | yes |
| 20:41.45 | keikoz | but it is not the same kernel |
| 20:41.55 | luiscpmotta | Yes! |
| 20:41.56 | martman | opening /var/log/apache/access.log: No such file or directory |
| 20:41.56 | bluefox | how do i fix a dependency problem in apt where a new package si trying to over-write an older one but keeps getting a broken pipe? |
| 20:41.57 | luiscpmotta | Sim! |
| 20:42.04 | martman | anyone know why i dont have one? |
| 20:42.05 | bluefox | *is |
| 20:42.08 | martman | just instaleld appache2 |
| 20:42.15 | martman | copyed a few files in |
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| 20:42.16 | SimonRaven | when did this get turned into #slashdot? |
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| 20:42.23 | baz | martman: try /var/log/apache2/ ;) |
| 20:42.25 | FieldySnuts | SimonRaven: weekend |
| 20:42.33 | dondelelcaro | bluefox: by using the force-overwrite option |
| 20:42.36 | RvGaTe | baz: so its done easily within debian (kde or gnome)... ? |
| 20:42.38 | SimonRaven | yeh... duh. sun got to my brain |
| 20:42.38 | luiscpmotta | no lammers here! goood! |
| 20:42.42 | bluefox | ..uh..ok |
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| 20:42.46 | baz | RvGaTe: yes |
| 20:42.49 | luiscpmotta | a lot to do in a good SO!! |
| 20:42.53 | martman | baz hehe, didnt even notice that.....thanks....no to playwith apachetop |
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| 20:42.55 | baz | RvGaTe: I assumed your dual boot was with windows |
| 20:42.59 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 20:43.04 | FieldySnuts | wow this is annoying currently |
| 20:43.09 | luiscpmotta | dual boot with..what? :-) |
| 20:43.11 | RvGaTe | baz: yes |
| 20:43.34 | RvGaTe | baz: Windows on hdd0, and debian on hdd1 |
| 20:43.36 | SimonRaven | luiscpmotta: a jackhammer and a 2-4 case of beer |
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| 20:43.51 | luiscpmotta | folks i need to rip a DVD with some kind of software like DVDshrink, there is some of thos fort LINUX? |
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| 20:43.56 | ke6isf | People boot off of /dev/hdd? =O.o= |
| 20:43.57 | RvGaTe | baz: but ill just reboot and check it out in debian.. :) if i cant find it, you'll see me back in here ;) |
| 20:44.05 | baz | RvGaTe: that's what I thought. If you nuke hdd1 without running grub first, you'll still have a menu to choose between windows and linux every boot |
| 20:44.21 | ke6isf | luiscpmotta: You indicated you're running a variant of Knoppix; you might try asking on #knoppix as such. |
| 20:44.22 | baz | RvGaTe: you'd then have to boot from a livecd or from the windows setup cd to get rid of it |
| 20:44.30 | luiscpmotta | baz: but Windows is not there.. |
| 20:44.46 | luiscpmotta | ke6isf |
| 20:44.48 | baz | luiscpmotta: << RvGaTe> baz: Windows on hdd0, and debian on hdd1 |
| 20:44.50 | sparkx | How can I say to a dpkg-reconfigure driven build of wacom kernel modules to use gcc-3.3 instead of gcc (that is gcc-4.0)? |
| 20:45.01 | luiscpmotta | ke6isf: Yes, but knoppix is not a Debian? |
| 20:45.04 | bluefox | dondelelcaro, i'm not seeing a force-overwrite option in apt.. |
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| 20:45.09 | ke6isf | luiscpmotta: No, it is not. |
| 20:45.10 | ke6isf | !knoppix |
| 20:45.10 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 20:45.22 | SimonRaven | bluefox: that's because it isn't in apt-get |
| 20:45.43 | luiscpmotta | hummm...i dont no That |
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| 20:45.53 | fatal__ | sparkx: I'd guess setting the CC environment variable would work, "CC=gcc-3.3 dpkg-buildpackage" ? |
| 20:45.57 | luiscpmotta | but in knoppix all works as Debian, no? |
| 20:46.02 | ke6isf | !tell luiscpmotta -about debian based |
| 20:46.04 | bluefox | then where the hell is it? i can't use it if i don't know where it is! |
| 20:46.06 | SimonRaven | 'know'. no it doesn't |
| 20:46.17 | SimonRaven | bluefox: man dpkg |
| 20:46.37 | SimonRaven | ffs, you should know this by now, you've been coming here for months and months |
| 20:46.41 | FieldySnuts | luiscpmotta: the short story is no. #debian is for pure debian, not something based on debian. i wouldn't suggest arguing much with us on this. |
| 20:46.41 | RvGaTe | rebooting to debian... |
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| 20:46.49 | sparkx | fatal__, i tried "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3" before dpkging.. but the modules always come out build with 4.0 |
| 20:46.57 | luiscpmotta | ok, just for curiosity |
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| 20:47.13 | ke6isf | luiscpmotta: My best suggestion is just to install Debian. |
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| 20:47.26 | luiscpmotta | i have 6 debian CDs |
| 20:47.28 | ishkawa | hey ke6isf |
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| 20:47.34 | ke6isf | ishkawa: Hello |
| 20:47.45 | luiscpmotta | what do ou suggest? |
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| 20:48.06 | ecivo | Hey guys, |
| 20:48.07 | ke6isf | !tell luiscpmotta -about d-i |
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| 20:48.15 | ke6isf | luiscpmotta: What dpkg just told you. =^^= |
| 20:48.31 | ecivo | how is the name of the fish-encryption package for xchat again? |
| 20:48.34 | ishkawa | im partitioning my hard drive and its asking to create a boot disk for linux do i skip this or do i need a boot disk? |
| 20:48.36 | ecivo | cant find in apt |
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| 20:48.48 | ke6isf | luiscpmotta: netinst is your friend, especially if you're on a broadband connection. |
| 20:48.59 | baz | ishkawa: you only need it if you mess up :) |
| 20:49.07 | ke6isf | ishkawa: You don't *need* one, but it's a Very Good Idea to have one in an emergency. |
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| 20:49.11 | ecivo | ishkawa, you don't nessecarily need one, but its better... |
| 20:49.15 | ma3x | web SimonRaven |
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| 20:49.34 | SimonRaven | hmm |
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| 20:49.52 | ishkawa | im in system commander and it says i need to create one |
| 20:49.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What time doeslinux world close on thrusday? |
| 20:50.07 | SimonRaven | 'system commander'? |
| 20:50.10 | ishkawa | how would i create linux boot disk? |
| 20:50.15 | luiscpmotta | i understand the point |
| 20:50.24 | ecivo | fdisk /dev/hda1 |
| 20:50.25 | SimonRaven | read the installation guide |
| 20:50.30 | SimonRaven | @install guide |
| 20:50.30 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 20:50.34 | caldaean | Hi.. I'm having a hard time getting samba/cups up and running on my debian system, and i don't know what I'm doing wrong.. anyone with experience in these matters who can give me a hand? |
| 20:50.36 | ecivo | and then hit the m |
| 20:50.41 | luiscpmotta | do u believe that Knoppix is worst then Debian, for what? |
| 20:51.05 | SimonRaven | luiscpmotta: worse or better is relative |
| 20:51.09 | daedalus_ | luiscpmotta: quit trying to start a flame war... |
| 20:51.16 | daedalus_ | !best |
| 20:51.17 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 20:51.20 | luiscpmotta | SimonRaven : es I know, i like knoppix |
| 20:51.23 | Mage | luiscpmotta: knoppix is not debian. that's all. |
| 20:51.26 | FieldySnuts | daedalus_: he's been doing it for the past 5 minutes. |
| 20:51.34 | luiscpmotta | SimonRaven : es I know, i like knoppix, i like the facility of apt-get |
| 20:51.36 | FieldySnuts | god, just +q him already, we ahve to go through this shit enough in a given day |
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| 20:51.46 | daedalus_ | FieldySnuts: oh... |
| 20:51.51 | RvGaTe | Allright, im in debian now :) |
| 20:51.55 | SimonRaven | luiscpmotta: so use knoppix, and go /join #knoppix for support issues |
| 20:52.08 | bluefox | i'm not having any luck with this force-overwrite, i think i need help using it.. |
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| 20:52.29 | RvGaTe | baz: i got the boot manager infront of me, so i just remove all debian stuff, and i can nuke hdd1 ? :) |
| 20:52.31 | luiscpmotta | SimonRaven : ok! |
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| 20:53.07 | SimonRaven | luiscpmotta: don't /msg me |
| 20:53.22 | baz | RvGaTe: hang on... |
| 20:53.39 | RvGaTe | baz: i wont go anywhere |
| 20:53.40 | baz | er, does anyone know if grub will actually work without its install files :) |
| 20:53.46 | baz | I think I'm thinking of lilo |
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| 20:54.12 | baz | if he rewrites the mbr to boot straight from his windows partition, but then nukes the drive with grub on, doesn't that stop grub from actually booting? :| |
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| 20:54.43 | FieldySnuts | f*ck why are knoppix users so consistantly annoying, almost incapable of understanding reason and logic, etc |
| 20:54.46 | FieldySnuts | asdf |
| 20:54.52 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 20:55.00 | TwistedEmotions | Reason? |
| 20:55.20 | TwistedEmotions | See.. you dont have to be a knoppix user ;) |
| 20:55.38 | baz | RvGaTe: hmm, nobody knows how grub works. I think your best bet is to boot from a windows CD and run 'fixmbr' from the recovery console, cos grub might not work without its support files |
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| 20:56.03 | baz | RvGaTe: that'll write a Windows MBR, which just boots your system from hdd0 in this case, with no menu |
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| 20:56.09 | AjLavJo | well so far you haven't been mad at me d0s4gw so we're out here trying |
| 20:56.23 | RvGaTe | baz: i dont know if i have a windows cd over here,,, |
| 20:56.24 | d0s4gw | what? |
| 20:56.35 | nvz | I think I am about to make me a hillbilly ceiling fan.. this damn box fan I have tips over if its on high.. think I will just hang it from the ceiling and call it my hillbilly ceiling fan |
| 20:56.45 | RvGaTe | baz: i do have the livecd next to me |
| 20:56.45 | baz | RvGaTe: then you have a bigger problem than I thought :) |
| 20:56.46 | caldaean | Noone good at the samba/cups config I take it? |
| 20:56.49 | baz | RvGaTe: which livecd? |
| 20:56.52 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: What is the problem? Do you know what kernel your running? |
| 20:56.54 | RvGaTe | baz: debian |
| 20:56.59 | bluefox | how do i fin dout what package provides something specific, like Xsession ? |
| 20:57.11 | AjLavJo | i am on knoppix and trying my very best d0s4gw |
| 20:57.13 | nvz | caldaean: nope mine doesnt use configs, runs on magic smoke |
| 20:57.17 | sparkx | Anyone has problems building the latest wacom tablet kernel module on sid? |
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| 20:57.23 | RvGaTe | baz: getting confused, its the internet cd from debian ;) |
| 20:57.27 | FieldySnuts | here we go on the knoppix issue again |
| 20:57.33 | baz | RvGaTe: sure |
| 20:57.34 | d0s4gw | AjLavJo, its not me you were talking to |
| 20:57.40 | AjLavJo | it was |
| 20:57.49 | d0s4gw | whatever |
| 20:57.49 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: when you boot your computer does it take you to grub to where you can type in command lines? |
| 20:58.00 | RvGaTe | TwistedEmotions: yes |
| 20:58.02 | d0s4gw | can someone help me diagnose a problem with my internet connection? the symptoms are that when im in linux, i cannot connect to things like yahoo mail, or log in to my bank website, but i can in windows. |
| 20:58.04 | AjLavJo | since you got mad and yelled out that all that use knoppix were noobs |
| 20:58.07 | baz | RvGaTe: if you just want a single-boot windows system, the best idea is to fix the mbr from a windows cd. I don't think grub can help without having linux installed on your 2nd drive |
| 20:58.14 | baz | RvGaTe: lilo might be able to, I'm not 100% sure |
| 20:58.19 | bluefox | what package provides Xsession? |
| 20:58.20 | nvz | d0s4gw: what browser are you using? |
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| 20:58.24 | d0s4gw | firefox |
| 20:58.39 | nvz | do you have cookies enabled? |
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| 20:59.06 | caldaean | nvz-> Seriously? My debian box has managed to not accept that winxp-boxes add the printer AND cause a mac os X Tiger box to kernel panic every time it boots. Just my share of luck I guess.. |
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| 20:59.17 | d0s4gw | nvz, where is that option |
| 20:59.18 | nvz | I need to shahr and shave I feel dirtay |
| 20:59.22 | bluefox | how do i get dpkg to tell me what provides Xsessions/ |
| 20:59.23 | bluefox | ?\ |
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| 20:59.38 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: so just the these three commands... root (hdx,0) then kernel (kernel version) then just boot. |
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| 20:59.50 | baz | TwistedEmotions: how will this help? |
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| 21:00.03 | TwistedEmotions | baz: isnt he just trying to startup? |
| 21:00.03 | RvGaTe | baz: i think i found a windows cd... :D... so i just type in ' fixmbr' in the recovery console... and it should be converted to a single boot... ? |
| 21:00.03 | d0s4gw | nvz: i found it, and no, they are not disables |
| 21:00.05 | d0s4gw | nvz: i found it, and no, they are not disabled |
| 21:00.05 | caldaean | nvz-> Oh, and further more, Finder crashes on the mac when trying to connect to the shares. |
| 21:00.26 | baz | TwistedEmotions: no, he's trying to remove his startup menu so that he boots windows every time and can delete his linux drive |
| 21:00.40 | baz | RvGaTe: yup, fixmbr |
| 21:00.43 | liable | bluefox: apt-file, its x11-common |
| 21:00.44 | mfrisch | What is the man that tells you about the vga= I need 800x600 791 is too big? |
| 21:00.49 | TwistedEmotions | baz: Ahh.. just kidding then.. |
| 21:01.02 | baz | TwistedEmotions: ;) |
| 21:01.04 | bluefox | liable, is there another package that has that file? |
| 21:01.09 | RvGaTe | baz: if it fails, ill send you the bill, haha :P thx for the help :) |
| 21:01.21 | liable | bluefox: have a look yourself :) |
| 21:01.22 | baz | RvGaTe: if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces :P |
| 21:01.36 | RvGaTe | baz: wow, thanks ! :P |
| 21:01.55 | bluefox | liable, apt-file command not found? |
| 21:02.07 | liable | bluefox: um, install it then. |
| 21:02.23 | liable | !tell bluefox about search |
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| 21:03.06 | [miles] | evening guys.... |
| 21:03.24 | [miles] | I wondered if anyone could tell me if their using Exim with Cyrus-SASL to auth please? |
| 21:03.32 | clueless | If I want to run a command, as a regular user, automatically every 15 minutes, do I just run cron or is there a debian way to do it? |
| 21:03.34 | d0s4gw | nvz, can you think of any other reasons other than cookies why i cannot connect to these particular websites? |
| 21:03.37 | [miles] | Im having some trouble with it |
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| 21:04.27 | bluefox | liable, i can't get it to install without fixing the damnable dependency in apt that's stuck |
| 21:04.27 | RvGaTe | baz: damnit, its no windows cd.. :( |
| 21:04.43 | tdela | bah xorg is still broken in deb? |
| 21:04.52 | liable | bluefox: well, read the factoid dpkg gave you then |
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| 21:05.10 | RvGaTe | baz: i might have some upstairs, but i think my bro doesn't like it when i view "the action"... damnit |
| 21:05.33 | baz | the action? |
| 21:05.40 | RvGaTe | baz: yeah, action |
| 21:05.57 | RvGaTe | baz: or should i be more detailed ? |
| 21:06.10 | baz | RvGaTe: I think I understand |
| 21:06.39 | RvGaTe | baz: ok ;) |
| 21:07.04 | baz | RvGaTe: not sure what else to suggest really. if you want a pure windows system then you're best of with a windows mbr I guess |
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| 21:07.24 | baz | but you need the cd for that... |
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| 21:07.35 | RvGaTe | baz: i agree, but maybe it was possible to do the same in the command lines |
| 21:07.51 | baz | RvGaTe: well you need the actual data to write to the MBR, which is (c) Microsoft ;) |
| 21:08.32 | RvGaTe | baz: you running on debian atm ? |
| 21:08.43 | baz | RvGaTe: windows desktop, debian server |
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| 21:09.50 | RvGaTe | baz: ok, same over here, just wanted to know how debian would work with a gui... but i cant figure out how to get the dual display working, and the soundcard doesn't have any linux drivers... so i just wanted to uninstall this stuff |
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| 21:10.27 | bluefox | think i might need to break my system just to fix it.. |
| 21:10.36 | baz | RvGaTe: understood. that's a shame though. |
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| 21:10.46 | martman | i made a new index.html in /var/www and i still get the default apache2 page |
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| 21:10.51 | martman | what gives? |
| 21:10.59 | bluefox | i need to find a way to get rid of /etc/X11/Xsession and get xorg-common installed so everything else can be installed |
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| 21:11.05 | martman | (deleted the apache2default dfolder too) |
| 21:11.06 | mugur | hi, anyone uses fgetty? |
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| 21:11.16 | tdela | martman: /var/www/htdocs/? |
| 21:11.17 | hotdrop | hey can some one help me out with installing gcc 3.4 |
| 21:11.17 | RvGaTe | baz: if you can tell me how to get proper nvidia drivers working... i asked before in this channel, but they all redirected me with rtfm :P |
| 21:11.31 | tdela | or even /var/www/htdocs/localhost/ ? |
| 21:11.47 | baz | RvGaTe: sorry, I don't use em. Ask dpkg about nvidia ;) |
| 21:11.50 | mugur | tried to install it, but now I can't login, with errors like "cannot chown/chmod tty device" |
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| 21:12.01 | hotdrop | i used atp-get install gcc-3.4 but it installed 3.3.5 |
| 21:12.02 | mugur | I googled around, but couldn'd find a solution |
| 21:12.03 | martman | tdela nope, nothing in /var/www except my new index |
| 21:12.35 | baz | martman: check the httpd.conf, it has some strange stuff in it by default |
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| 21:12.41 | mugur | in the docs, you should just replace getty with fgetty in /etc/inittab |
| 21:12.41 | martman | k |
| 21:12.47 | mugur | well, it's not true :) |
| 21:13.13 | bluefox | would someone please help me with this problem with apt? |
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| 21:13.16 | martman | baz theres nothing thats not commented lol |
| 21:13.23 | bluefox | i've tried everything i can think of :( |
| 21:13.27 | martman | and theres just one tht that could be uncommented |
| 21:13.29 | martman | not related |
| 21:13.30 | baz | martman: nothing at all? and apache still runs? :) |
| 21:13.34 | martman | yup |
| 21:13.34 | mugur | of course i can boot with a live cd and restore inittab, but I was wondering why is not working |
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| 21:13.41 | chealer | hotdrop: how do you know it installed 3.3? |
| 21:14.15 | baz | martman: so you already commented the stanza that does the redirect to /apache2-default/ ? |
| 21:14.23 | baz | martman: and restarted apache, of course |
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| 21:14.31 | hotdrop | gcc -v |
| 21:14.35 | LD-50 | can I get portage on debian? |
| 21:14.48 | baz | LD-50: why on earth would you want to do that? |
| 21:14.57 | hotdrop | prints out gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 21:15.02 | chealer | hotdrop: is that what you think means installing 3.4 installed 3.3? |
| 21:15.06 | daedalus_ | LD-50: That's what apt is for.... |
| 21:15.12 | LD-50 | baz, because we just figured out how to do .debs on gentoo, so I was wondering... |
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| 21:15.23 | hotdrop | yes im a noob so i dont know better |
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| 21:15.36 | martman | baz i dont see anything redirecting |
| 21:15.38 | baz | LD-50: perhaps now you can figure out how to install a gentoo desktop in less than a week ;) |
| 21:15.43 | martman | baz and yeah, restarted whole comp |
| 21:15.54 | RvGaTe | baz baz baz, everyone spamming baz :P |
| 21:16.09 | LD-50 | baz, by stealing a lot of hardware and using distcc? =) |
| 21:16.11 | noerrors | is anyone else getting segfaults with that new transcode 1.0 in sid? |
| 21:16.28 | baz | LD-50: or by using a sensible package manager ;) |
| 21:16.38 | LD-50 | that is true =) |
| 21:16.39 | _linuxAS_ | martman, to don't see cause it doesn't exist |
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| 21:16.43 | sky0 | I wonder if there is a simple wait to find which (sarge) CDs are needed for a certain package? |
| 21:16.57 | chealer | !tell noerrors about bts |
| 21:16.59 | baz | martman: try /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 21:17.11 | AjLavJo | how can i see what's started at startup, like rpc services and such? |
| 21:17.15 | chealer | sky0: no |
| 21:17.15 | hotdrop | am i wong in my assumption |
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| 21:17.44 | chealer | hotdrop: yes. I think you have to use update-alternatives --config cc to change gcc -v 's output |
| 21:17.55 | zorton | i'm having a hard time getting smbmount to mount a share with the correct ujid and gid owning the files mounted. The options are accepted but the file ownership is till the same asx the server |
| 21:18.13 | zorton | any pointers? |
| 21:18.14 | noerrors | well.. transcode is not an official deb package.. thats why i asked in here |
| 21:18.19 | noerrors | its on nerim |
| 21:18.20 | hotdrop | cause i tried this as well /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:18.25 | noerrors | and thats not in debian |
| 21:18.27 | hotdrop | and that prints out the same thing |
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| 21:18.44 | chealer | noerrors: you're just more damned then |
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| 21:18.45 | hotdrop | and if i do a locate gcc i only see 3.3.5 |
| 21:19.02 | chealer | hotdrop: after updatedb? |
| 21:19.20 | noerrors | lol of course i know the BTS.. lol |
| 21:19.24 | sky0 | chealer: sorry to hear that; thank you |
| 21:19.27 | hotdrop | updatedb? |
| 21:19.33 | RvGaTe | baz: i asked my brother for the cd's, and he slided 3 windows xp pro (open source copies :P) beneith the door, haha |
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| 21:19.40 | chealer | hotdrop: man updatedb |
| 21:20.04 | hotdrop | what dose that do? |
| 21:20.06 | hotdrop | i ran it |
| 21:20.12 | noerrors | how the hell does anyone track bucks on any of the video stuff |
| 21:20.15 | noerrors | bugs* |
| 21:20.18 | RvGaTe | baz: rebooting, wish me luck ! :cantlook: |
| 21:20.33 | baz | RvGaTe: heh, good luck |
| 21:20.35 | chealer | noerrors: by looking at the BTS, I guess |
| 21:20.42 | noerrors | nope |
| 21:21.01 | chealer | noerrors: then answer yourself? |
| 21:21.24 | chealer | hotdrop: man updatedb will tell you what it does |
| 21:21.39 | noerrors | was a simple question.. i guess nobody uses transcode |
| 21:21.47 | liable | !tell sky0 about cd contents |
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| 21:22.41 | hotdrop | well gcc-v still dose the same thing |
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| 21:23.31 | sky0 | liable: much better than to download all images; thanks |
| 21:23.32 | hotdrop | so dose /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:23.39 | sophacles | hi all. every time i try to use mozilla-thunderbird on my laptop, i get the following error: Xlib: Connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 21:23.49 | sophacles | how can i stop that? |
| 21:23.59 | sophacles | no other x program does it |
| 21:24.01 | chealer | hotdrop: did update-alternatives --config cc offer choices? |
| 21:24.06 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 21:24.16 | bluefox | currently installed package .debs are stored in /var/cache/apt/archive right? |
| 21:24.23 | liable | yes |
| 21:24.27 | bluefox | ok.. |
| 21:24.34 | bluefox | then i have a problem |
| 21:24.50 | bluefox | i can't find the package where my current Xsession came from |
| 21:24.52 | hotdrop | nope nothing to configure |
| 21:25.08 | yoo | i'm running on 2.4.27 |
| 21:25.11 | noerrors | bluefox, get "apt-file" |
| 21:25.13 | chealer | sophacles: so if you run mozilla-firefox;mozilla-thunderbird, you get that error only once? |
| 21:25.14 | bluefox | and without that i don't know what to remove to get this all working again |
| 21:25.22 | noerrors | apt-file search Xsession |
| 21:25.22 | yoo | i have an error when i compile |
| 21:25.27 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.35 | yoo | make[2]: *** [scripts/mkdep] Erreur 1 |
| 21:25.42 | yoo | make[1]: *** [dummy_do_dep] Erreur 2 |
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| 21:25.48 | bluefox | noerrors, i CAN'T |
| 21:25.55 | liable | bluefox: no x11-common in there? |
| 21:25.57 | bluefox | APT IS STUCK |
| 21:25.58 | yoo | Somebody have an ideas ? |
| 21:26.13 | sophacles | chealer i dont get that error for mozilla-firefox, only for mozilla-thunderbird, and only once, the next line is XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 21:26.15 | bluefox | i thought i turned caps off three times already >.> |
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| 21:26.32 | bluefox | my apologies for the caps folks |
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| 21:26.46 | AjLavJo | can i somehow list what's started with update-inetd ? |
| 21:26.47 | bluefox | liable, only one..the one i'm trying to install right now |
| 21:26.51 | noerrors | xdm: etc/X11/xdm/Xsession |
| 21:26.58 | hotdrop | its really strange |
| 21:27.00 | noerrors | xfree86-common: etc/X11/Xsession |
| 21:27.07 | bluefox | ah! |
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| 21:27.10 | bluefox | that's it =) |
| 21:27.29 | bluefox | noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:27.31 | bluefox | it wont work! |
| 21:27.40 | bluefox | apt-get remove wont work =( |
| 21:27.50 | noerrors | apt-get -f install (should fix it) |
| 21:27.50 | RvGaTe | baz: everything worked fine |
| 21:28.04 | baz | RvGaTe: ah, good |
| 21:28.11 | chealer | !gcc |
| 21:28.11 | dpkg | somebody said gcc was the GNU Compiler Collection, http://gcc.gnu.org/, or #c, or a Microsoft-supported GPL project |
| 21:28.20 | RvGaTe | Kobaz: booted to windows without any problems... now lets nuke the damn disc, muhaha ;) |
| 21:28.22 | AjLavJo | can i list what's started with update-inetd ? |
| 21:28.23 | RvGaTe | whooops |
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| 21:28.31 | RvGaTe | baz: booted to windows without any problems... now lets nuke the damn disc, muhaha ;) |
| 21:28.32 | bluefox | nope..didn't fix anything..same error |
| 21:28.42 | baz | RvGaTe: ;) |
| 21:28.49 | baz | RvGaTe: don't forget to tick quick format |
| 21:29.00 | hotdrop | yep so what about it |
| 21:29.03 | noerrors | if you want the config files go be reintalled, you have to purge it first |
| 21:29.26 | noerrors | just removing wont do it |
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| 21:29.36 | AjLavJo | guess no one can help me then |
| 21:29.41 | chealer | that factoid is ugly |
| 21:29.51 | yoo | !mkdep |
| 21:30.01 | zorton | mount -t smbfs -o uid=1000,gid=1000 //server/share /mnt/point results in uid's and gid's that match the server, shouldn't they have uid,gid of 1000? |
| 21:30.02 | NOthsouth | heeloo, please I need some help, I can`t open .sub subtitles files... I`m using mplayer and totem.. |
| 21:30.09 | noerrors | AjLavJo, cat /etc/inetd.conf |
| 21:30.15 | NOthsouth | can it be some kind of font problem?? our what? |
| 21:30.26 | AjLavJo | thanks |
| 21:30.33 | chealer | dpkg: no, gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc |
| 21:30.33 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 21:31.02 | liable | bluefox: are you trying to install it with apt or dpkg? |
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| 21:31.17 | songpenguin | hi! |
| 21:31.22 | bluefox | liable, i've tried with both |
| 21:31.30 | sophacles | chealer, any ideas? |
| 21:32.08 | chealer | sophacles: not really. I think I already red that somewhere...I'd just google it |
| 21:32.12 | liable | bluefox: whats the actuall error you get? |
| 21:32.14 | noerrors | bluefox, whats the problem. You can always just extract the deb file somewhere and manually recopy the configs back |
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| 21:32.30 | hotdrop | i figured id try installing gcc-4.0 |
| 21:32.31 | GOGILOLik | http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 |
| 21:32.31 | bluefox | liable, are you in #flood? |
| 21:32.31 | GOGILOLik | http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 |
| 21:32.34 | hotdrop | but that didnt work |
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| 21:32.37 | songpenguin | I'm having trouble loading my coustom kernel under debian, whenever I try to boot to it it tells me that it was "Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)" |
| 21:32.39 | hotdrop | cause it didnt exist |
| 21:32.40 | liable | bluefox: yeah |
| 21:32.42 | chealer | !ops GOGILOLik |
| 21:32.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: GOGILOLik |
| 21:32.50 | hotdrop | like its listed on the site |
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| 21:33.03 | hotdrop | but when you try apt-get install gcc-4.0 |
| 21:33.09 | hotdrop | it says no such package |
| 21:33.09 | chealer | hotdrop: what's your release? |
| 21:33.14 | RvGaTe | baz: all done, big thanks and thumbs up and bow to you... :) |
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| 21:33.31 | bluefox | liable, k i pasted in #flood |
| 21:33.37 | hotdrop | how to i check |
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| 21:34.30 | chealer | hotdrop: apt-cache policy. if you don't know, you should be running sarge. |
| 21:34.38 | liable | bluefox: ok, try movong your xsession file somewhere else |
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| 21:34.49 | IcE-bOy | hi |
| 21:34.55 | bluefox | noerrors, i'm afraid your solution would not fix the fact that i cannot use apt until i get rid of this |
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| 21:34.56 | songpenguin | hi IcE-bOy |
| 21:35.05 | noerrors | you dont need apt |
| 21:35.12 | IcE-bOy | where can i find ezmlm binarys for debian ? |
| 21:35.13 | bluefox | liable, i moved /etc/X11/Xsession to /ect/X11/Xsession.old |
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| 21:35.28 | chealer | !tell hotdrop about gcc-4.0 sarge |
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| 21:35.34 | hotdrop | you gotta start somewhere |
| 21:35.37 | noerrors | manually get the deb from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 21:35.42 | chealer | !tell hotdrop about info gcc-4.0 sarge |
| 21:35.47 | noerrors | then extract it with dpkg |
| 21:35.56 | noerrors | or install it |
| 21:35.58 | bluefox | tried that |
| 21:35.59 | noerrors | or whatever |
| 21:36.01 | bluefox | it wont work |
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| 21:36.09 | bluefox | i keep getting a broken pipe |
| 21:36.11 | mfrisch | how do you change the vga= kernel settings to 800x600? |
| 21:36.14 | noerrors | wget wont work? |
| 21:36.29 | bluefox | installing it from dpkg wont work you ninny |
| 21:36.31 | bluefox | sheesh |
| 21:36.48 | bluefox | i tried using both apt and dpkg as i've already said before |
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| 21:36.57 | clueless | what do I need to do to launch a X program from a cron job? |
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| 21:37.11 | noerrors | not "dpkg -i", "dpkg -x" |
| 21:37.30 | bluefox | ..that's not going to fix apt |
| 21:37.47 | liable | bluefox: what does apt say when you try and use it? |
| 21:37.50 | bluefox | even if i extract it and fix it manually |
| 21:38.00 | bluefox | liable, s'what i showed you in #flood |
| 21:38.07 | hotdrop | i guess mine is 3.1 |
| 21:38.13 | bluefox | it downloads it, tries to install it, gets broken pipe |
| 21:38.27 | hotdrop | so i guess im running sarge |
| 21:38.35 | Gumby | has anyone here had issues with a less responsive touchpad mouse on their laptop when updating to a 2.6.11.X kernel? |
| 21:38.49 | noerrors | remove the apt database |
| 21:38.58 | bluefox | huh? |
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| 21:39.08 | noerrors | sounds like your apt database is corrupted |
| 21:39.19 | bluefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.30 | liable | bluefox: well, maybe try and edit your dpkg status file, /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 21:39.36 | bluefox | you want me to delete everything in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 21:39.41 | noerrors | noo |
| 21:39.47 | bluefox | oh.. |
| 21:39.53 | sky0 | mfrisch: look at something like this: http://www.antlinux.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=HowTos.VgaModes |
| 21:39.58 | bluefox | you mean edit my sources.list/ |
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| 21:40.02 | bluefox | ? |
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| 21:40.12 | noerrors | when you apt-get update, it creates a database file |
| 21:40.38 | noerrors | sometimes bad data in the database causes apt to do that |
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| 21:40.54 | nvz | dpkg, cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/yinzer./yinzer.|rode $1 dahntahn ta go gall-a-vantin' norside wif a Gian Iggle buggy like da rest of da bums.|pinches $1 fer hawkin' stoled Stiller's tickets.|rilly wisht $1 conjagated sharn once in awhile./ |
| 21:40.54 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 21:41.01 | chealer | hotdrop: then gcc4 is not in sarge, so it's normal it doesn't install |
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| 21:41.13 | ndemir | hi |
| 21:41.15 | hotdrop | ah |
| 21:41.22 | nvz | comming up with yinzersmites isnt as easy as it looks folks :P |
| 21:41.31 | noerrors | if you know you didnt do a bad update that broke it instead |
| 21:41.36 | hotdrop | well what i really need is 3.4 :) |
| 21:41.40 | ndemir | while using wget, i don't want to download external links, how do i do this? |
| 21:41.55 | hotdrop | but i cant get that because the 3.4 package is actually 3.3.5 |
| 21:42.00 | hotdrop | its like wtf |
| 21:42.31 | nvz | dpkg, cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/norside/da norside/ |
| 21:42.32 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
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| 21:42.48 | baz | ndemir: wget -m, I think. man wget to check |
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| 21:43.16 | hotdrop | the wierd thing is that its listed online |
| 21:43.21 | hotdrop | so thats why im so confused |
| 21:43.23 | ndemir | baz, i checked and found nothing about it, i used -m too, but it is not the solution |
| 21:43.36 | baz | ndemir: I suggest you didn't look very hard. it's in there. |
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| 21:43.52 | hotdrop | http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/gcc-4.0 is the package |
| 21:44.11 | hotdrop | but i cant install it with apt and i dont know other ways to do it |
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| 21:44.20 | ndemir | ok, i will do again |
| 21:44.31 | FieldySnuts | defionately should not be installing gcc 4 unless you know what you're doing |
| 21:44.56 | nvz | !yinzersmite FieldySnuts |
| 21:44.58 | nvz | :) |
| 21:45.00 | hotdrop | and i dont really want to |
| 21:45.07 | hotdrop | but but i NEED 3.4 |
| 21:45.14 | chealer | hotdrop: the release in which it is in the URL (testing)... |
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| 21:45.23 | hotdrop | yeah |
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| 21:46.01 | FieldySnuts | !date nvz |
| 21:46.05 | hotdrop | im thinking that compiling 3.4 would be beyond me |
| 21:46.09 | tech9iner | rofl.. |
| 21:46.21 | FieldySnuts | you didnt' say 3.4 you said 4.0... |
| 21:46.25 | tech9iner | some people have way too much time on they grubby wittle hands rofl |
| 21:46.29 | hotdrop | well i want 3.4 |
| 21:46.53 | hotdrop | but the one on that i get turns out to be 3.3.5 |
| 21:47.12 | hotdrop | so i was thinking if i got 4 it might be backwards compatible |
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| 21:47.29 | drac | apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
| 21:47.31 | parityflag | hi |
| 21:47.33 | hotdrop | yep |
| 21:47.37 | hotdrop | installs 3.3.5 |
| 21:47.44 | drac | no, it doesn't. |
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| 21:48.05 | noerrors | you can have more than one compiler.. |
| 21:48.12 | noerrors | ls -l /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 21:48.41 | parityflag | oh.. could somebody help me get smbmount working? it's driving me crazy: cannot mount on /mnt/fileshare: Operation not permitted |
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| 21:48.55 | noerrors | it just uses one by default that is linked to /usr/bin/gcc |
| 21:49.11 | yoo | i have a message error with this commande : make-kpkg --revision marge.1 --config old configure |
| 21:49.11 | clueless | what do I need to do to launch a X program from a crontab job? |
| 21:49.12 | FieldySnuts | ya clearly don't know what you're doing with gcc, so for your own sake, avoid this path. if you do it anyway, have full backups and don't come crying. |
| 21:49.17 | hotdrop | mybe i just need to fix the symobilc links |
| 21:49.17 | yoo | make[2]: *** [scripts/mkdep] Erreur 1 |
| 21:49.26 | noerrors | yup |
| 21:49.29 | yoo | make[1]: *** [dummy_do_dep] Erreur 2 |
| 21:49.29 | parityflag | I cannot mount something as user, though all permissions seem ok to me :( |
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| 21:49.40 | yoo | *** [stamp-kernel-configure] Erreur 2 |
| 21:49.41 | hotdrop | cause i have something like this lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2005-07-15 23:49 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
| 21:49.41 | hotdrop | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 85196 2005-05-24 17:03 /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
| 21:49.41 | hotdrop | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 84972 2005-05-05 16:19 /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 21:49.41 | hotdrop | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2005-07-15 23:49 /usr/bin/gccbug -> gccbug-3.3 |
| 21:49.41 | hotdrop | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16056 2005-05-24 16:25 /usr/bin/gccbug-3.3 |
| 21:49.41 | hotdrop | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16198 2005-05-05 16:06 /usr/bin/gccbug-3.4 |
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| 21:49.50 | yoo | an idea |
| 21:49.51 | noerrors | hehe |
| 21:49.52 | hotdrop | oops |
| 21:49.54 | yoo | ? |
| 21:50.02 | hotdrop | i ment to do 2 lines |
| 21:50.04 | noerrors | looks like ya got it to me |
| 21:50.06 | hotdrop | did 2 many |
| 21:50.17 | noerrors | your links is just pointing to 3.3 |
| 21:50.30 | drac | hotdrop: ln -fs /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc, at your own risk.. of course. |
| 21:50.50 | noerrors | if you do gcc, make sure you do the rest |
| 21:51.01 | bluefox | whoa..couldn't connect to ftp.us.debian.org wonder what that's about! |
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| 21:51.08 | hotdrop | rest? |
| 21:51.10 | noerrors | lol gcc 3.3 and g++ 3.4 |
| 21:51.12 | hotdrop | debug? |
| 21:51.18 | noerrors | that would be fun |
| 21:52.27 | bluefox | a bunch of north american debian mirrors are down, anyone know what the deal is with that? |
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| 21:52.48 | noerrors | I must have tripped over the extension cord |
| 21:52.54 | hotdrop | i well i hope that worked |
| 21:53.01 | hotdrop | and fixed my other problem |
| 21:53.13 | hotdrop | completely unrelated to my install |
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| 21:54.09 | bluefox | interesting to see that most of my really good benchmark servers are on the other side of the country though >.> |
| 21:54.19 | trip | hey... what does sem_post error mean? |
| 21:54.30 | trip | and why am I getting it on a clean installation? |
| 21:54.32 | hotdrop | yay well thats one less thing that could be causing my problem |
| 21:54.43 | asuffield | bluefox: it just goes to show that corporations can cock up networking completely independently from the distance the cables run |
| 21:54.53 | bluefox | it means your hard drive has gone septic and you might need to amputate! |
| 21:54.56 | noerrors | hotdrop, while ur at it, fix automake and aclocal |
| 21:55.00 | trip | sem_post: invalid argument |
| 21:55.06 | hotdrop | ? |
| 21:55.08 | hotdrop | how |
| 21:55.11 | sky0 | clueless: I see no easy way to do that; if you have a display to connect to, you should probably tunnel through ssh (setup ssh keys to login w/o password) or (not a good idea!) disable access control; you could also start a virtual xserver (Xvfb) and connect to that. |
| 21:55.33 | noerrors | you can have multiple automakes and aclocal versions as well |
| 21:55.33 | trip | bluefox: really????? Does that mean granpappy schnaps doesn't get his kiddne? |
| 21:55.41 | noerrors | they are defined in /etc/alternatives |
| 21:55.43 | noerrors | links |
| 21:55.50 | bluefox | trip, yeah :/ |
| 21:55.51 | PeterB | !hurt crn |
| 21:55.54 | trip | bummr |
| 21:56.00 | trip | no really. |
| 21:56.05 | trip | I've never seen that error before |
| 21:56.11 | crn | sorry, just playing |
| 21:56.12 | bluefox | i've never seen it before either |
| 21:56.17 | trip | oh |
| 21:56.21 | trip | wicked bummr |
| 21:56.29 | bluefox | you might google it though |
| 21:56.29 | hotdrop | are you sure not defined in mine |
| 21:56.30 | trip | why wont my e work consistant |
| 21:56.41 | trip | ly |
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| 21:56.54 | cheesycow5 | i think every website on the internet is going down |
| 21:57.00 | cheesycow5 | they're all slow |
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| 21:57.57 | bluefox | i'm starting to concur..was there a major disaster someplace? earthquake? terrosit attack? rush limbaugh farted? |
| 21:57.57 | trip | well... apparently it's a qnx error |
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| 21:58.03 | hotdrop | now to figure out how it install libstdc |
| 21:58.10 | trip | hrm |
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| 21:59.23 | trip | hrmph |
| 21:59.52 | ulitz | does anyone know how to change the number of colors under gimp? like to use 16 bit colors |
| 21:59.59 | trip | semaphore |
| 22:00.04 | MDC | i'm trying to setup vlan for my xen machines and have no luck... i've setup a page with background info @ http://www.mejlamej.nu/xen.html so if someone has any idea about this i would appreciate all help.. |
| 22:00.11 | trip | hmmm.... anyone know what semaphore is used by/for? |
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| 22:03.41 | trip | argh |
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| 22:04.22 | AjLavJo | any gui to open and read .gz files in xwindows? |
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| 22:05.08 | Morti | I'm running a box as a hostap wireless access point, how do I view currently active wireless connections? |
| 22:05.15 | chealer | !x windows |
| 22:05.15 | dpkg | It's X dammit!, or ask me about x windows trap. A) The X Window System. B) X |
| 22:05.44 | AjLavJo | well any answer to the question then? |
| 22:05.45 | chealer | AjLavJo: yes. are you using a particular DE? |
| 22:05.54 | hotdrop | hmm this thing im trying to run requires me to have libstdc++.so.6 |
| 22:06.08 | AjLavJo | not really |
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| 22:06.18 | AjLavJo | give me names and i am happy :) |
| 22:06.24 | nvz | I hate when people ask questions and leave |
| 22:06.45 | NelsonM | I'm looking for Debian hosting. I want to lease a whole computer, not a virtual host. Any recommendations? Most of the providers seem RedHat Happy. |
| 22:07.20 | jdhutchin1 | I think serverbeach does debian now |
| 22:07.26 | bluefox | how long does apt-spy generally take to generate a sources.list? |
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| 22:07.38 | AjLavJo | i am useing fluxbox chealer |
| 22:07.43 | mfrisch | bluefox a few' |
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| 22:07.57 | nvz | bluefox: depends on if read_the_manpage is set to 1 or 0 |
| 22:08.05 | bluefox | a few minutes? a few hours? a few months? years? |
| 22:08.05 | NelsonM | yeah, serverbeach does. cool. |
| 22:08.28 | nvz | the manpage tells you how to use it properly instead of benchmarking every server on the globe |
| 22:08.30 | mfrisch | bluefox a few minutes |
| 22:08.43 | bluefox | hey, i did somethign that was suppose to default to 5 listings..but it's benchmarking everything in north america.. |
| 22:08.52 | UnKnowN_ | what package plays wmvs in debian? |
| 22:09.17 | hotdrop | and apt seems to be able to get it i just do know where it goes after that lol |
| 22:09.20 | AjLavJo | so chealer, what's your suggestion? |
| 22:09.29 | hotdrop | cause i cant find the package |
| 22:09.48 | mfrisch | UnKnowN_ vlc mplayer helix-player |
| 22:09.55 | chealer | AjLavJo: I don't know fluxbox. |
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| 22:10.03 | chealer | !tell UnKnowN_ about wmv |
| 22:10.11 | AjLavJo | okay |
| 22:11.08 | noerrors | how do I get the package names from truncating in the console when I list them with "dpkg -l"? |
| 22:11.32 | noerrors | i need to expand the columns |
| 22:11.54 | AjLavJo | does gtk+ require gnome or kde? |
| 22:11.54 | chealer | noerrors: try COLUMNS=200 dpkg ... |
| 22:12.05 | noerrors | cool |
| 22:12.09 | chealer | noerrors: and increas COLUMNS as needed |
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| 22:12.15 | mfrisch | noerrors what cheeler said |
| 22:12.17 | chealer | AjLavJo: hopefully not |
| 22:12.23 | noerrors | tnx |
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| 22:12.53 | AjLavJo | hopefully not yes... |
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| 22:13.30 | chealer | AjLavJo: I only know "archive GUIs" for gnome and KDE |
| 22:13.36 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a console audio player that shutsdown once that tracks i complete so that you can queue a command after the track is done |
| 22:13.37 | Borg^Queen | Has anyone be experiencing odd behavior with USB devices on 3.1? |
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| 22:13.53 | AjLavJo | yeah i figured |
| 22:14.08 | outlaw84 | Borg^Queen: 3.1 what? |
| 22:14.18 | noerrors | Borg^Queen, are you using hal? |
| 22:14.19 | Borg^Queen | Debian 3.1 |
| 22:14.28 | Borg^Queen | noerrors: it was loaded, |
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| 22:14.37 | Borg^Queen | Let me check if this machine has it loaded. |
| 22:14.39 | noerrors | there is a fix for it should be tomorrow |
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| 22:15.04 | Borg^Queen | noerrors: Oh, what was the problem? |
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| 22:15.21 | Borg^Queen | only the libs for hal are installed |
| 22:15.40 | noerrors | awe ok.. no hald |
| 22:15.46 | Borg^Queen | Nope |
| 22:15.48 | noerrors | Mounting small usb devices with sync and noatime options was |
| 22:15.48 | noerrors | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.59 | Borg^Queen | ah |
| 22:16.12 | TNKS | hi all. I was trying to figure out how the 'kernel-patch-debian-2.6.12' package relates to 'kernel-source-2.6.12' I looked at the Changelog for both of these packages, and it appears that the patches are already included in the source package. Is this right? |
| 22:16.57 | chealer | TNKS: yes (in the binary source package anyway) |
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| 22:17.28 | Borg^Queen | noerrors: where there any other problems concerning usb. I was on debian's site but didn't seem to very informative |
| 22:17.49 | chealer | TNKS: oops. looks like I'm wrong |
| 22:18.01 | TNKS | chealer, thanks. Also, I went ahead and installed 'kernel-patch-debian-2.6.12' and it put files in an interesting /usr/src/kernel-patches tree. Is there a utility that takes advantage of this directory structure? |
| 22:18.08 | noerrors | I only just noticed the problem with hald and udev |
| 22:18.25 | TNKS | chealer, really? In that case, how do I install the patches? |
| 22:18.28 | Borg^Queen | Neither are installed, nor is hotplug |
| 22:18.43 | noerrors | maybe its a kernel thing |
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| 22:19.09 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen usb-storage mod? |
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| 22:19.28 | Borg^Queen | mfrisch: checking |
| 22:19.36 | AjLavJo | i installed an application but when i open a file i want to point to it, how do i know where it is? |
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| 22:19.59 | noerrors | AjLavJo, try "locate" |
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| 22:20.16 | Borg^Queen | mfrisch: not sure what you mean, its not a package |
| 22:20.31 | TimFreeman | I'm using Mozilla and a lot of apostrophes print as a little box with "FFFD". Which font package should I install to fix this? |
| 22:20.35 | bluefox | where can i find a list of debian mirrors for unstable? |
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| 22:21.11 | noerrors | the mirrors contail stabe, testing, and unstable.. just depends on your source line |
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| 22:21.38 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen usb-storage module in kernel... modprobe usb_storage |
| 22:21.50 | Borg^Queen | ooh ok |
| 22:22.19 | Borg^Queen | Nothing came up |
| 22:22.20 | TNKS | chealer, feel free to msg me if you figure more out. |
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| 22:22.55 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen now mount /dev/sda* /mnt |
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| 22:23.29 | Borg^Queen | mfrisch: exactly like that or specify the device |
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| 22:23.53 | rutski89 | How do i find out if my installation of XFree86 and Qt both have xinerama support? |
| 22:24.27 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen use the partition corresponding with your usb disks partition table |
| 22:24.36 | Delgul | Anyone with hardware RAID experience here? |
| 22:24.46 | Borg^Queen | ok specify |
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| 22:26.54 | Borg^Queen | mfrisch: ok it mounted but i had to issue the command as root |
| 22:26.57 | ma3x | how do i except a file from copying? |
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| 22:27.21 | ma3x | let's say I want to copy dir/ (file1,2,3,4) and exclude file 4 |
| 22:27.23 | ma3x | how do i do it?\ |
| 22:27.55 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen ok.. now add usb_storage to /etc/modules, an edit fstab as well. |
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| 22:28.24 | Borg^Queen | fstab has it already. I have no trouble mount usb stik or zip. |
| 22:28.36 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen you want the disk with options like: noauto user |
| 22:28.46 | Borg^Queen | However if I mount more then one usb storage device, the system locks up. |
| 22:28.55 | Adam-_ | hi there |
| 22:28.55 | FabParma | is "qtparted" in your repositories? |
| 22:28.57 | Borg^Queen | Yes, noauto and user set |
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| 22:30.10 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen try logging out and back in. then mount as regular user but I beleive you need to reboot so fstab is read. |
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| 22:30.17 | Adam-_ | does anyone know about any URL where I could download video files about the GNU/Linux issue?... you know? videos like The Code.. or an interview to a relevant personality :) |
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| 22:30.47 | Borg^Queen | mfrisch: I can already mount all the usb drives as user |
| 22:31.03 | Borg^Queen | That's not the problem |
| 22:31.11 | chealer | Adam-_: hum...which GNU/Linux issue? |
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| 22:31.49 | ma3x | when I 'cp -R' directory with 100 directories inside, how can I exclude one directory? |
| 22:31.50 | Borg^Queen | The problem is, IF I mount more than one, it locks up. This has been my experience with 14 different boxes in total and it hangs when accessing a usb scanenr. |
| 22:31.56 | Borg^Queen | scanner |
| 22:31.58 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen cool What are you mounting to lock up what |
| 22:32.00 | s_ward | ma3x, for bash, look in the docs for "Pattern Matching" |
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| 22:32.01 | bluefox | ok, i changed my sources.list and i still can't fix this problem..what the heck do i do now =( |
| 22:32.02 | FabParma | i cant install "qtparted" . have you already had the same experience? |
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| 22:32.09 | braniff | how do i switch to gcc 4.0 ?? |
| 22:32.10 | Borg^Queen | a 250 zip |
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| 22:32.13 | Borg^Queen | or a usbstik |
| 22:32.17 | ma3x | s_ward, where are those docs? |
| 22:32.17 | nico22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.26 | s_ward | ma3x, man bash, info bash |
| 22:32.48 | Borg^Queen | nico22: do you have trouble with other usb devices? |
| 22:32.51 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen the scanner works other wise? |
| 22:33.02 | Borg^Queen | It works on all other distros |
| 22:33.12 | Borg^Queen | and it will work on a fresh install but only once |
| 22:33.31 | chealer | !tell Adam-_ about msg |
| 22:33.59 | theory | can someone help me out with my raid not showing up? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350871 |
| 22:34.07 | nico22 | Borg^Queen: this is the only usb devices i have... but for example... in "information centre" of kde, in the usb section it detects my usb controllers and my camera when i plug it in |
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| 22:34.15 | rutski89 | how do i find out if my Qt install was compiled with xinerama support? |
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| 22:35.00 | Adam-_ | what are you talking about chealer? |
| 22:35.06 | bluefox | is there a way to get dpkg or apt to skip broken packages? |
| 22:35.10 | noerrors | rutski89, check the rules file in the source package |
| 22:35.12 | Adam-_ | I haven't private message anyone... |
| 22:35.35 | rutski89 | noerrors: how do i get that? hehe; kinda new to debian here |
| 22:36.01 | noerrors | apt-get source yourpackage (make sure you are in an empty dir when you do that) |
| 22:36.01 | chealer | Adam-_: I received (18:33:49) Adam-_: (notice) any... about the whole 'movement', history, interviews, etc |
| 22:36.04 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen does the scanner work all the time |
| 22:36.18 | noerrors | and you need the deb-src lines in your sources.list |
| 22:36.21 | Adam-_ | wow.... |
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| 22:36.26 | Borg^Queen | On other distros, yes. On the debian setups, no. Not after I reboot the systems |
| 22:36.26 | Adam-_ | I'm so sorry chealer |
| 22:36.30 | Adam-_ | terribly sorry |
| 22:36.43 | Borg^Queen | Kill Adam-_ for violating chealer |
| 22:36.56 | FabParma | i cant install "qtparted" . have you already had the same experience? |
| 22:37.13 | Adam-_ | terribly sorry to try to answer you in a clean way, chealer |
| 22:37.32 | chealer | Adam-_: great. you already said that |
| 22:37.50 | UnKnowN_ | Bad news everyone |
| 22:37.51 | UnKnowN_ | Senator Carper Wants Tax on Internet Porn |
| 22:37.57 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen ok!! have you loaded the module for the scanner. |
| 22:38.10 | Adam-_ | yes.. but I don't mind to tell you again how sorry I feel |
| 22:38.21 | nico22 | anybody have a clue about my problem? |
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| 22:38.23 | Borg^Queen | mfrisch: yes |
| 22:38.42 | chealer | UnKnowN_: I don't know who Sentor Carper is, but I doubt anyone here cares. in any case, it's the wrong place to discuss it |
| 22:38.45 | Borg^Queen | I'm assuming because it worked the first time it will continue to work |
| 22:39.11 | chealer | Adam-_: then tell it to the bot |
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| 22:39.51 | Area-51 | i accidentally clicked on "no" to accept a java applet security thing in mozilla firefox and now the applet wont run -- how to i undo my booboo? (debain testting, firefox 1.0.4) |
| 22:39.59 | Adam-_ | oh yes.. i was thinking about it.. I think I'll write a formal apologie to the bot, chealer |
| 22:40.32 | Obscure | Is their anyway that I can get eth0 to use a default static ip address if dhcp fails ? |
| 22:40.36 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen not if you are not useing hotplug you need to load the modules in /etc/modules or use modconf for persistent changes. I bet you removed hotplug when the scanner worked rebooted and now it does not work. |
| 22:40.41 | Borg^Queen | Area-51: there should be an option under pref, advanced |
| 22:40.41 | chealer | Adam-_: good idea. just make sure you do it on the test freenode network so it's nt entirely useless |
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| 22:41.04 | Borg^Queen | hot-plug wasn't installed at all |
| 22:41.17 | noerrors | Area-51, look for your setting in your home directory in a hidden directory |
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| 22:41.47 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen it uses it for the install cd. |
| 22:41.52 | Area-51 | Borg^Queen: sorry mate, not seeing anything relating to that :( |
| 22:42.07 | Borg^Queen | Area-51: do what noerrors said. |
| 22:42.10 | Borg^Queen | faster fix |
| 22:42.19 | Borg^Queen | mfrisch: nope removed it during install |
| 22:42.23 | Adam-_ | oh.. so kind of you to think about it... I wonder if it would have taken less effort to say that you haven't the slightest idea of any URL where I can find what I'm looking for |
| 22:42.28 | Borg^Queen | but is hotplug better than usbmgr? |
| 22:42.51 | s_ward | err |
| 22:43.02 | s_ward | they're different things |
| 22:43.19 | Area-51 | the thing is, what setting am i looking for and where... |
| 22:43.24 | UnKnowN_ | Someone give me two sentences descibing me |
| 22:43.29 | mfrisch | Borg^Queen I use a usb printer and zip flash disks with no prob? |
| 22:43.29 | UnKnowN_ | I need it for a website :D |
| 22:43.33 | Borg^Queen | Area-51: search for "java |
| 22:43.35 | Borg^Queen | " |
| 22:43.49 | chealer | UnKnowN_: He has an ugly nick, |
| 22:43.55 | Borg^Queen | s_ward: the serve the same function |
| 22:44.11 | Obscure | Is their anyway that I can get eth0 to use a default static ip address if dhcp fails ? |
| 22:44.29 | Area-51 | Borg^Queen: yea, and i get several results regarding the java plugin |
| 22:44.40 | Borg^Queen | Hmm, ok hang on |
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| 22:44.58 | Borg^Queen | installing firefox |
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| 22:46.11 | UnKnowN_ | who |
| 22:46.14 | UnKnowN_ | WHo? |
| 22:46.22 | Borg^Queen | Dr Who? |
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| 22:46.49 | Obscure | Is their anyway that I can get eth0 to use a default static ip address if dhcp fails ? |
| 22:47.05 | Borg^Queen | I don't know.. sorry |
| 22:47.45 | delmar | Obscure, how about setting eth0 to a static, and an alias of eth0:1 on dhcp? |
| 22:47.48 | Area-51 | Obscure: write an init script to run dhclient and if it fails, have the script copy a premade interfaces file then restart the network service |
| 22:47.51 | delmar | not sure if that works but.. just an idea. |
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| 22:47.59 | AjLavJo | there is, but i am not that good at helping :( |
| 22:48.17 | s_ward | Borg^Queen, fair enough, I thought they served different purposes, just checked |
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| 22:48.29 | Borg^Queen | s_ward: no problem laddie |
| 22:48.43 | Obscure | Area-51: Sounds like a good idea i think ill try it thanx. |
| 22:48.52 | Area-51 | :) |
| 22:49.01 | delmar | anyone here know much about acpi and lm-sensors etc? I'm having trouble getting things to work... "No support for device type: thermal" :( |
| 22:49.05 | bavel | hello, I installed openssl, but when compiling something it cant compile, there was a package which I have to install, but I dont remember its name, can someone help me please? |
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| 22:49.27 | Area-51 | bavel: build-essential? |
| 22:49.42 | s_ward | Borg^Queen, in answer to your question about which is better, the description of usbmgr says: For wider and moder support of plugable devices you may want to use hotplug. |
| 22:49.47 | Skrot | unsermake is not in the debian pool (unstable), right? |
| 22:50.02 | Borg^Queen | s_ward: thank you |
| 22:50.11 | bavel | Area-51: no |
| 22:50.22 | Borg^Queen | Area-51: look under web features |
| 22:50.29 | Borg^Queen | It is there for me |
| 22:50.39 | delmar | anyone here got a P4 and using lm-sensors etc? |
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| 22:51.23 | Area-51 | Borg^Queen: yea, i see the check box to enable/disable java |
| 22:51.31 | Borg^Queen | but? |
| 22:51.50 | Area-51 | but thats not my problem |
| 22:52.21 | Area-51 | my problem is that i accidentally clicked no to the security window that pops up on whether to run a java app |
| 22:52.32 | Borg^Queen | Ooooh ok hang on |
| 22:52.45 | bavel | hello, I installed openssl, but when compiling something it cant compile, there was a package which I have to install, but I dont remember its name, can someone help me please? |
| 22:52.55 | Area-51 | im horrid with putting things into words, sorry :S |
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| 22:53.15 | Area-51 | bavel: can you give a little more info than "i installed openssl now i cant compile" |
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| 22:53.40 | streuner | !b-i bavel |
| 22:53.40 | bavel | Area-51: its just a package and am sure of it, but i dont remember its name :S |
| 22:53.42 | Borg^Queen | Area-51: look up you'll see a "block popup windows" in web features |
| 22:53.42 | vladster | has anyone come up witht eh latest status of etch? |
| 22:53.42 | mfrisch | bavel install openssl-dev |
| 22:53.46 | streuner | !b-e bavel |
| 22:53.47 | dpkg | bavel: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 22:53.52 | Area-51 | bavel: what is the problem... |
| 22:53.52 | bavel | yes mfrisch: thats it :)) |
| 22:54.12 | Area-51 | Borg^Queen: yea? |
| 22:54.14 | bavel | but thats not the exact nae mfrisch |
| 22:54.24 | Borg^Queen | Yes top and first |
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| 22:55.01 | baz | hmm, fresh install of sarge, and sound is broken. ALSA is the default sound driver, yes? |
| 22:55.07 | Area-51 | Borg^Queen: popups arent my problem... |
| 22:55.17 | Borg^Queen | What exactly is? |
| 22:55.43 | Area-51 | 17:52 < Area-51> my problem is that i accidentally clicked no to the security |
| 22:55.43 | Area-51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.52 | Borg^Queen | baz: install alsa untilities and run alsaconf as root from a term |
| 22:55.53 | s_ward | baz, try alsaconf |
| 22:55.56 | Area-51 | and now that java app wont run because i accidentally clicked no to allow it to run |
| 22:56.03 | vladster | I heard there were a lot of broken things in it |
| 22:56.18 | Borg^Queen | Area-51: ok let me look |
| 22:56.26 | baz | Borg^Queen, s_ward: thanks |
| 22:56.43 | mfrisch | Area-51 drastically you could remove ~/.mozilla |
| 22:56.44 | s_ward | !tell vladster about testing |
| 22:57.00 | Borg^Queen | baz: my pleasure |
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| 22:57.20 | Borg^Queen | Area-51: ok is there an advanced button next to java under webfeatures? |
| 22:57.25 | Area-51 | mfrisch: yea, but thats the easy way to remove everything instead of trying to fix it... if i wanted to do that, i would have by now :) |
| 22:57.30 | Borg^Queen | click on it and tell me what's checked off |
| 22:57.32 | Area-51 | Borg^Queen: no, but there is for javascript |
| 22:57.37 | Borg^Queen | yes |
| 22:57.49 | Area-51 | and this is a java applet not javascript, my javascript is working just fine |
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| 22:57.54 | mfrisch | Area-51 firefox or moz? |
| 22:57.55 | baz | might be an idea for the installer to suggest running alsaconf |
| 22:58.00 | Area-51 | mfrisch: firefox |
| 22:58.01 | baz | I wonder how many other people had this problem |
| 22:58.01 | sky0 | Area-51: you mean Java, not Javascript? I don't think the browser stores security information on java; have you tried reloading the page; maybe flushing the browser cache, closing all browser windows and reloading again? |
| 22:58.13 | Borg^Queen | baz: I did |
| 22:58.26 | baz | Borg^Queen: I guessed so ;) |
| 22:58.32 | baz | works great now though, thanks |
| 22:58.34 | nvz | finding a cheap wig months before halloween isnt easy I come to find out.. by brother used to have one when he used to parade around trying to be kevin nash.. but I cant seem to find it |
| 22:58.34 | Area-51 | sky0: i tried reloading the browser but no i didnt try clearing the cache -- if that works, i will slap myself silly |
| 22:58.39 | Borg^Queen | :) and so did bunch of others here |
| 22:58.46 | mfrisch | Area-51 sky0 that sounds right. |
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| 22:58.58 | emorys | i am looking for a nice ssl-based web-mail service |
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| 22:59.08 | emorys | it should not be so hard to find, but i have been looking for hours |
| 22:59.11 | emorys | please someone... |
| 22:59.14 | emorys | if you can, help me. |
| 22:59.30 | nicknicknick | horde |
| 22:59.30 | sky0 | no expert on java, but I never saw an "advanced" java options in the profile |
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| 22:59.31 | Borg^Queen | emorys: sorry I don't know of any. |
| 22:59.38 | s_ward | emorys, apache+ssl+horde? |
| 22:59.44 | nicknicknick | emorys IMP |
| 22:59.49 | emorys | s_ward, i need a hosted service |
| 22:59.56 | Area-51 | emorys: ssl based? umm, just use https instead of http to access your page |
| 22:59.59 | emorys | s_ward, if a service featured that, that might be nice. |
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| 23:00.12 | nicknicknick | emorys www.hushmail.com |
| 23:00.12 | s_ward | ah, for a minute, I thought it was a Debian-related question |
| 23:00.14 | s_ward | silly me |
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| 23:00.39 | marccd | Hi, I have a problem, alsa wont restore my volume settings when I start my machine. |
| 23:00.43 | emorys | area-51, my contact will use the same service as me. i want for the mail to be very much like a standard web-mail but that it since it will never leave the secure, ssl-based network, it will be much safer. |
| 23:01.07 | nicknicknick | emorys www.HUSHMAIL.COM!!!! |
| 23:01.12 | mfrisch | marccd dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 23:01.32 | emorys | nicknicknick, my problem with hush is that the free version is quite annoying. |
| 23:01.35 | marccd | mfrisch: Thank you, I will try that |
| 23:01.42 | nicknicknick | emorys google :) |
| 23:01.47 | Area-51 | emorys: my point still stands |
| 23:01.51 | Borg^Queen | s_ward: taking your advice on hotplug, will let you know how it works out |
| 23:01.57 | bavel | guys, Just wanna tell u something |
| 23:02.04 | bavel | none of you is helpful |
| 23:02.07 | bavel | for real |
| 23:02.13 | Borg^Queen | :) |
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| 23:02.15 | nvz | only place I can find that sells wigs other than at halloween is target, and they are real hair and cost a lot of money.. just need this for amusement value its not worth that much to me :P |
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| 23:02.31 | streuner | bavel: ok, bye. |
| 23:02.37 | UnKnowN_ | How can I install IE on debian? |
| 23:02.38 | UnKnowN_ | :P |
| 23:02.45 | emorys | area-51, i put https before the hotmail login, but i see no lock in my bar. |
| 23:02.47 | mfrisch | bavel we're faking it cuz your here |
| 23:02.47 | Borg^Queen | IE? GASP! |
| 23:02.48 | bavel | streuner: I leave when I wanna leave |
| 23:02.51 | Area-51 | UnKnowN_: Crossover Office |
| 23:02.53 | UnKnowN_ | I really want to use it |
| 23:02.57 | nvz | a month or two from now I can find one anywhere but by then it wont be funny anymore |
| 23:02.57 | tech9iner | heh.. you still lurkn palomine thingfish lol |
| 23:03.00 | Area-51 | emorys: thats not a standard webmail service eithor |
| 23:03.04 | UnKnowN_ | IE RULES :D :P |
| 23:03.04 | Area-51 | that uses a different login system |
| 23:03.10 | Area-51 | sky0: it works "_ |
| 23:03.13 | UnKnowN_ | Where is the crossover to Windows Office? |
| 23:03.14 | Area-51 | UnKnowN_: no it doesnt |
| 23:03.21 | nvz | UnKnowN_: you would have to use wine |
| 23:03.28 | UnKnowN_ | Im going to |
| 23:03.31 | Area-51 | UnKnowN_: its called "crossover office" use google... |
| 23:03.38 | UnKnowN_ | Its because flash wont work in mozilla :S |
| 23:03.39 | nvz | UnKnowN_: go ahead :) |
| 23:03.42 | UnKnowN_ | IE sucks |
| 23:03.47 | emorys | area-51, now i put https before my standard webmail (yifan.net), and it gives me a dead page. |
| 23:03.51 | UnKnowN_ | But I need it to use ActiveX controls |
| 23:03.52 | nvz | UnKnowN_: no flash works, shockwave doesn |
| 23:03.55 | emorys | i think you are wrong about this "trick." |
| 23:03.56 | UnKnowN_ | yeah |
| 23:04.02 | UnKnowN_ | flash locked up in my mozilla |
| 23:04.05 | Area-51 | emorys: then your web server isnt setup right for ssl |
| 23:04.06 | nvz | UnKnowN_: neither does activeX :P |
| 23:04.31 | Borg^Queen | UnKnowN_: I use flash on mozilla |
| 23:04.34 | UnKnowN_ | Why does it not play all the way through on certain flash |
| 23:04.36 | UnKnowN_ | I did |
| 23:04.38 | emorys | area-51, i think most aren't. i am looking for that rare exceptional web-mail service which is. |
| 23:04.42 | ludi | What packages do I need to install in order to print to a Canon? |
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| 23:05.00 | nvz | I would probably use launch.com still if I had a browser that was capable.. but thats about it and I wouldnt go so far as to use windows or IE.. I would sooner do without |
| 23:05.00 | Area-51 | emorys: EVERY email service ive used except for hotmail uses the same strategy, imho |
| 23:05.28 | marccd | what does 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status mean?, I have old gstreamer 0.6 packages thas how up on my searches, and when I do a policy on them it returns that |
| 23:05.29 | emorys | i just want a web-mail with a secured network. |
| 23:05.33 | nvz | its easier than picking songs to play sometimes |
| 23:05.41 | emorys | my contact will use the same web-mail as me so that our mail never leaves that secured network. |
| 23:05.42 | Borg^Queen | UnKnowN_: IE 6 and 7 just failed a variaty of test and are no longer acceptable for gov use |
| 23:05.48 | s_ward | ludi, I think you asked this before, and I think you were told, /msg dpkg printer |
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| 23:05.57 | Borg^Queen | Even the gov doesn't want to use it, and they'll use any crap |
| 23:06.15 | UnKnowN_ | hahah |
| 23:06.22 | Area-51 | emorys: setup ssl properly in your web server then use squirrel mail. problem solved. |
| 23:06.22 | nvz | is IE 8 out already? |
| 23:06.27 | UnKnowN_ | no |
| 23:06.30 | Borg^Queen | AND, IE 7 may be removed from Vista now |
| 23:06.32 | nvz | I thought IE 5 or 6 was the latest |
| 23:06.33 | UnKnowN_ | MyIE2 Works great though |
| 23:06.35 | emorys | area-51, i have no web server. |
| 23:06.35 | Borg^Queen | 7 |
| 23:06.38 | UnKnowN_ | MyIE2 Works great though |
| 23:06.40 | emorys | i am looking for a hosted service. |
| 23:06.50 | Area-51 | emorys: then how are you going to run a webmail service? |
| 23:06.53 | Area-51 | oh |
| 23:06.54 | streuner | Why are we discussing M$ shit? |
| 23:06.54 | nvz | UnKnowN_: no need to be redundant |
| 23:06.56 | Area-51 | thats a different story |
| 23:06.56 | nvz | UnKnowN_: no need to be redundant |
| 23:07.00 | UnKnowN_ | yes |
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| 23:07.07 | nvz | heh |
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| 23:07.14 | nvz | thats what you get.. heh |
| 23:07.18 | UnKnowN_ | meh |
| 23:07.19 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 23:07.22 | UnKnowN_ | where are the ops anyways?! |
| 23:07.26 | Area-51 | emorys: use yahoo and use the secure login, i think thats all ssl, not positive |
| 23:07.37 | s_ward | UnKnowN_, they're everywhere |
| 23:07.41 | UnKnowN_ | :S |
| 23:07.41 | UnKnowN_ | :D |
| 23:07.48 | streuner | UnKnowN_: intereseted in banned/kicked? |
| 23:07.49 | nvz | UnKnowN_: #debian closely follows the freenode channel guidelines.. especially the part about not holding ops |
| 23:07.50 | UnKnowN_ | Means we can mess around :D |
| 23:08.06 | UnKnowN_ | j/k |
| 23:08.11 | UnKnowN_ | i know the rules |
| 23:08.34 | Area-51 | UnKnowN_: shut up |
| 23:08.39 | UnKnowN_ | you shut up |
| 23:08.43 | nvz | UnKnowN_: There are many reasons. the server was updated a while back so that anyone who has ops on can see messages from quieted people and people without voice.. gets annoying |
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| 23:09.21 | ke6isf | UnKnowN_: The ops are present, they just don't wear their hats. |
| 23:09.27 | UnKnowN_ | yeah |
| 23:09.30 | UnKnowN_ | invisible mode? |
| 23:09.34 | Borg^Queen | yes |
| 23:09.39 | UnKnowN_ | ah |
| 23:09.44 | ke6isf | UnKnowN_: Notionally so. |
| 23:09.44 | UnKnowN_ | i can see one actually |
| 23:09.55 | Rez | UnKnowN_: that's a bot. |
| 23:10.15 | Overand | Why can't I ever get symbolic links to work with apache? |
| 23:10.25 | UnKnowN_ | Um im actually having trouble with k3b burning |
| 23:10.35 | nvz | see that got two staffers looking right now.. and at this time of day there are probably that many or more other ops around |
| 23:10.38 | s_ward | Overand, you need to be able to FollowSymlinks, read the docs |
| 23:10.38 | Overand | as in, why doesn't: ( current directory: a web dir ) ln -s /home/username/directory |
| 23:10.48 | Overand | s_ward: ah. duh. =] thanks |
| 23:11.15 | UnKnowN_ | You can actually see the +i people usually |
| 23:11.24 | UnKnowN_ | just use a script |
| 23:11.44 | ludi | I need help installing a printer on Debian. What packages do I need to install in order to print to a local USB printer (A Canon i860)? Thanks |
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| 23:12.04 | streuner | ludi: /msg dpkg cups |
| 23:12.12 | nvz | my sets +i automatically when I logon *shrug* |
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| 23:12.23 | streuner | ludi: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install (for examples) |
| 23:12.26 | Rynkan | hi there |
| 23:12.36 | UnKnowN_ | how do you fix burning programs |
| 23:12.37 | nvz | where here? |
| 23:12.42 | UnKnowN_ | Is there any that work better than k3b |
| 23:12.47 | nvz | over here? |
| 23:13.02 | streuner | UnKnowN_: CLI |
| 23:13.03 | Rynkan | funny :P |
| 23:13.11 | UnKnowN_ | can i use apt-get on it |
| 23:13.11 | ludi | streuner: I'm not find those /msg dpkg commands to be helpful |
| 23:13.16 | pepsi | HiRez |
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| 23:13.37 | mfrisch | ludi cups the driver for the printer |
| 23:13.38 | nvz | UnKnowN_: I like k3b myself and I usually hate QT apps. but its really easy for me to clicky burny play a little trumpet sound kind of thing and be done with it |
| 23:13.41 | streuner | ludi: well, (almost) nobody said this here ever |
| 23:13.55 | UnKnowN_ | yeah |
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| 23:13.59 | marccd | mfrisch: reconfigre alsa baese does nothing |
| 23:14.00 | websdale | UnKnowN_: I use gnomebaker which works fine for me |
| 23:14.01 | ludi | mfrisch: I can't find a package 'cups' |
| 23:14.09 | UnKnowN_ | gnomebaker? |
| 23:14.15 | UnKnowN_ | I can cook gnomes now :D |
| 23:14.15 | Overand | s_ward: followsymlinks is enabled |
| 23:14.16 | streuner | ludi: you should read what the bot (dpkg) tell you |
| 23:14.16 | Rynkan | But... I have just installed debian on an old Compaq c600. need yo update the grafics-driver... where/how do i do that? |
| 23:14.20 | Overand | but it's also 'ifownermatch' |
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| 23:14.45 | mfrisch | marccd it should ask you if you want your mixer settings to be saved show all ?? |
| 23:14.47 | UnKnowN_ | What are CLi and gnomemaker under |
| 23:14.54 | UnKnowN_ | I like to use apt-get as much as possible |
| 23:14.57 | nvz | UnKnowN_: you will be banned from the sacred order of gnomes and you will be doomed to use twm for all eternity |
| 23:14.59 | mfrisch | ludi cupsys |
| 23:15.02 | marccd | mfrisch: it just displays nothing |
| 23:15.03 | websdale | UnKnowN_: gnomeBaker |
| 23:15.09 | ludi | mfrisch: cupsys that's it? |
| 23:15.16 | streuner | dpkg, cups |
| 23:15.16 | dpkg | i heard cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
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| 23:15.24 | s_ward | ludi, I'll give you a clue, in /msg dpkg cups look at the last few workds, ask dpkg about it |
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| 23:15.42 | UnKnowN_ | can you also cook gnomes with that prog :D |
| 23:15.45 | sky0 | Overand: have you looked at the apache (error) log? maybe the user running apache does not have the right to access the symlinked dir? |
| 23:15.55 | UnKnowN_ | I'd love too begin cooking them now |
| 23:15.59 | streuner | ludi: the factoid (cups) mentioned another factoid (cups setup)... |
| 23:16.19 | streuner | !cups setup |
| 23:16.19 | dpkg | it has been said that cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 23:16.22 | Overand | sky0: intersting change. it works if i use the 'default' documentroot, but not if i use it in a different, er... namebased root |
| 23:16.27 | Overand | 'virtual name based host' |
| 23:16.32 | s_ward | Overand, you got it working (symlinks in apache) then? |
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| 23:16.44 | streuner | ludi: plus /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 23:17.01 | Borg^Queen | s_ward: that was it. |
| 23:17.04 | ludi | I don't have an inkjet, do I need that still |
| 23:17.11 | Overand | s_ward: sort of. it's set to allow them but it's *only* working on my 'default' directory, not on my other name-based-host directories |
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| 23:17.41 | Borg^Queen | s_ward: everytime we did an install we followed the kde centric install which removed hotplug |
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| 23:17.50 | streuner | ludi: its helpful to read that too |
| 23:17.53 | Borg^Queen | the scanners are now working again. |
| 23:18.00 | Borg^Queen | s_ward: thanks |
| 23:18.06 | s_ward | Borg^Queen, no problem |
| 23:18.12 | poonj | hey guys...how do I enable in apt to use the universe packages? |
| 23:18.24 | nagual | depends on which universe. |
| 23:18.35 | poonj | I'm trying to get another version of ffmpeg |
| 23:18.36 | Overand | The one where kirk has a goatee. |
| 23:18.37 | Rynkan | anyone :S |
| 23:18.38 | streuner | poonj: #ubuntu |
| 23:18.42 | s_ward | poonj, is this about Ubuntu? See: #ubuntu |
| 23:18.43 | sky0 | Overand: virtual hosts often have their own config file (or section); maybe you just allowed it in default (or something else turn FollowSymlink off again). |
| 23:18.45 | Borg^Queen | s_ward: isn't is sad that there isn't any support for linux out there. Its like Bill Gates says |
| 23:18.58 | Overand | sky0: i dropped "Options ... FollowSymLunks" into its config section |
| 23:19.01 | Overand | (this is apache 1.3) |
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| 23:19.11 | Borg^Queen | nagual: Plus is it a paralelle universe? |
| 23:19.15 | poonj | streuner, thanks |
| 23:19.19 | poonj | s_ward, thanks |
| 23:19.27 | EasterSunshine | this is way offf topic...but if "friendly" is an adjective, what is its adverb form? |
| 23:20.42 | nagual | Borg^Queen: thats what im saying. |
| 23:20.51 | Borg^Queen | Yep Yep |
| 23:20.55 | nagual | Borg^Queen: are you familiar with nlp? (not natural language processing) |
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| 23:21.04 | s_ward | Borg^Queen, there's plenty of support, like #debian :) |
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| 23:21.31 | Borg^Queen | nagual: Where word recognition isn't dependant on letter sequence? |
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| 23:21.41 | Borg^Queen | s_ward: according to Bill Gates you don't exist |
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| 23:22.00 | marccd | mfrisch: motherfucker |
| 23:22.03 | nagual | im sure bill gates doesnt care about s_ward either way. :) |
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| 23:22.06 | s_ward | Borg^Queen, that's all good, then the evil Windows worms can't find me |
| 23:22.10 | marccd | mfrisch: why doesnt dpkg reconfiguyre do anything? |
| 23:22.15 | Borg^Queen | wooohha marccd not nice |
| 23:22.21 | thingfish | oh that's nasty |
| 23:22.28 | Rynkan | how can i update the Graphics Chipset driver (= i810e) on my debian system? |
| 23:22.34 | nagual | anyways, im gonna watch lotr3, nn. |
| 23:22.34 | martman | where is/how do i get bindconfig? |
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| 23:22.43 | Borg^Queen | marccd: you need to spell it right |
| 23:23.05 | Borg^Queen | nagual: have fun, might do the same |
| 23:23.38 | ke6isf | marccd: tab-completion is your friend. |
| 23:23.49 | ke6isf | marccd: so is politeness. |
| 23:23.54 | Borg^Queen | Rynkan: use synaptic to see if there is an update |
| 23:24.02 | sky0 | Overand: and nothing in the logs? What result do you get 403, 404, 5xx? |
| 23:24.05 | Borg^Queen | or check out intel's site |
| 23:24.05 | UnKnowN_ | Bill gates is cool |
| 23:24.12 | marccd | Borg^Queen: fuck you |
| 23:24.17 | marccd | ke6isf: I know, shit |
| 23:24.23 | s_ward | marccd, the answer to your original question is in the FAQ contained in the alsa-base documentation |
| 23:24.24 | Borg^Queen | My goodness |
| 23:24.33 | Borg^Queen | What a wanker |
| 23:24.38 | Overand | sky0: 403 but i'm going to stop worrying about it right now, i have more pressing uissues |
| 23:24.41 | Overand | thanks for the help though |
| 23:24.45 | sky0 | np |
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| 23:24.47 | Borg^Queen | marccd: you're speaking to a lady |
| 23:24.56 | marccd | s_ward: thanks |
| 23:24.58 | AjLavJo | anyone know how to get wine working? |
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| 23:25.08 | marccd | Borg^Queen: sure, just shut up, crapola |
| 23:25.09 | Arvind-NL | Any good chess programs out there that support multiplayer or some online variant of it? |
| 23:25.18 | mfrisch | marccd chill I am doing something else. It debconf was told to only show critical questions so nothing for alsa is shown. dpkg-reconfigure debconf then change to medium, then run dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 23:25.20 | marccd | AjLavJo: no, rtfm |
| 23:25.24 | Rynkan | is my question to lame? :S |
| 23:25.27 | Borg^Queen | marccd: you're a dedicated windoesn't user aren't you? |
| 23:25.32 | pepsi | what device file do i use with a usb serial adapter? |
| 23:25.35 | marccd | mfrisch: Thank you sweetie |
| 23:25.36 | Borg^Queen | Rynkan: ? |
| 23:25.41 | AjLavJo | marccd: stfu |
| 23:25.52 | Supaplex | !ops marccd = twerp |
| 23:25.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: marccd = twerp |
| 23:26.00 | ke6isf | !beer supa |
| 23:26.00 | marccd | AjLavJo: spell it right, shut the fuck up AjLavJo, with that shitty nickname |
| 23:26.02 | ke6isf | !beer Supaplex |
| 23:26.14 | martman | where is/how do i get bindconfig? |
| 23:26.19 | ke6isf | !ops marccd is being inflammatory on channel |
| 23:26.19 | Rynkan | don't know how to install drivers for my graficcard in debian |
| 23:26.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: marccd is being inflammatory on channel |
| 23:26.28 | thingfish | !gin & tonic me |
| 23:26.36 | Borg^Queen | Rynkan: its not working? |
| 23:26.37 | thingfish | rats |
| 23:26.38 | helix | meh |
| 23:26.39 | AjLavJo | you really need a beter attetude marccd |
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| 23:26.49 | helix | AjLavJo, marccd: please stop |
| 23:26.50 | Borg^Queen | AjLavJo: indeed |
| 23:27.00 | Rynkan | well it goes on vesa right now |
| 23:27.00 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 23:27.03 | covux | AjLavJo: did you check the debian wine packages ? |
| 23:27.10 | poonj | anyhere use ffmpeg to transcode mpeg2 to divx? |
| 23:27.14 | Borg^Queen | Its an intel card no? |
| 23:27.14 | AjLavJo | i have installed it... |
| 23:27.21 | Rynkan | yepp |
| 23:27.24 | AjLavJo | ran the setup |
| 23:27.31 | Rynkan | i810e |
| 23:27.36 | AjLavJo | got winemine to work |
| 23:27.38 | Borg^Queen | poonj: I use an app called avidemux |
| 23:27.40 | marccd | poonj: use mencoder, mencoder |
| 23:27.55 | covux | AjLavJo: which winapp do you want to run? |
| 23:27.55 | ke6isf | AjLavJo: You know, it was another user in here that suggested some wine configuration pkg. I can't remember what it is.... =O.o= |
| 23:27.59 | thingfish | Rynkan, what you need is a real video card. |
| 23:27.59 | poonj | Borg^Queen, is there a package for that? |
| 23:28.00 | AjLavJo | but then i wonder, how i run sol.exe for example? |
| 23:28.02 | Borg^Queen | Rynkan: user dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:28.04 | poonj | also lvemux |
| 23:28.30 | Borg^Queen | poonj: Nope I had to build it but I could be wrong, google "avidemux2, deb" |
| 23:28.31 | marccd | mfrisch: I put it to low, still nothing is shown for base or utils |
| 23:28.31 | thingfish | onboard video is never going to be satisfactory, in linux or in windows. |
| 23:28.34 | Rynkan | thnx |
| 23:28.35 | rutski89 | how do i do a search against my installed deb files? |
| 23:28.42 | poonj | okay |
| 23:28.45 | marccd | rutski89: dpkg -l |
| 23:28.46 | AjLavJo | i would like to know if my wine even uses the dlls from my windows partition |
| 23:28.52 | rutski89 | marccd: ty |
| 23:28.54 | Borg^Queen | thingfish: yep |
| 23:29.02 | marccd | AjLavJo: of course, but get a life, using wine? |
| 23:29.05 | thingfish | and decent vidcards aren't that expensive if you shop around. |
| 23:29.20 | marccd | thingfish: indeed, a lot of things in life are solved by money |
| 23:29.24 | Borg^Queen | This is a laptop no? |
| 23:29.39 | thingfish | ooh, if it's a laptop, he's s.o.l. |
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| 23:30.11 | covux | AjLavJo: did you try changing path where sol.exe lies and run it with "wine sol.exe"? |
| 23:30.31 | AjLavJo | i tried wine sol.exe |
| 23:30.35 | Borg^Queen | thingfish: yep yep |
| 23:30.41 | AjLavJo | but it couldn't find it somehow |
| 23:30.56 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:30.58 | Borg^Queen | AjLavJo: google "wine, HowTos" |
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| 23:31.11 | Borg^Queen | plonks? |
| 23:31.18 | ke6isf | !plonk |
| 23:31.19 | dpkg | somebody said plonk was the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. |
| 23:31.21 | thingfish | plonks=/ignores |
| 23:31.30 | mfrisch | marccd I have done it and are about to do it again on a fresh install alsa in Debian only saves the first reboot, stupid, give me a sec. |
| 23:31.36 | ke6isf | In otherwords, I stuck him in my ignore list. |
| 23:31.40 | thingfish | and appropriately so, I might add. |
| 23:31.46 | Borg^Queen | ke6isf: ehehhehe |
| 23:31.47 | ke6isf | !beer thingfish |
| 23:31.50 | AjLavJo | bah, was hoping you could help me more then this :( |
| 23:31.55 | Ronin | a fine la maudite? hummm |
| 23:32.03 | ke6isf | His attitude sucks, ergo I /ignore him. |
| 23:32.07 | Rynkan | "Please enter the video card's bus identifier." ehm... wtf? |
| 23:32.21 | Borg^Queen | Rynkan: leave it blank |
| 23:32.26 | marccd | mfrisch: ? did not get that, I also get errors when starting alsa.. not to mention debians boot process output is horrible |
| 23:32.30 | ke6isf | thingfish: Well, I didn't say you had to drink it, now, did I? =^_^= |
| 23:32.33 | bushido | does anybody know how i can set my keyboard layout to dvorak? |
| 23:32.33 | Borg^Queen | thingfish: fish should drink. |
| 23:32.33 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:32.58 | thingfish | hiccup |
| 23:33.01 | Borg^Queen | bushido: you want to kill dvorak with your kb? |
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| 23:33.16 | Borg^Queen | thingfish: nothing worse than a drunk fish, no way to dry him out |
| 23:33.21 | UnKnowN_ | All your base are belong to US! |
| 23:33.23 | mfrisch | marccd came right up in testing dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base same for my unstable box, does alsa work?? |
| 23:33.28 | bushido | kill? i wanna type dvorak |
| 23:33.28 | thingfish | Borg^Queen: boo hoo |
| 23:33.33 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 23:33.48 | sky0 | bushido: on console "loadkeys dvorak"; in X many ways; xbk? xmodmap... |
| 23:33.49 | Borg^Queen | I only know dvorak as a writer |
| 23:33.50 | AjLavJo | marccd: can't even get the sound to work? LOL |
| 23:34.04 | ke6isf | sky0: You mean xkb? |
| 23:34.08 | bushido | thank you sky0 :) |
| 23:34.09 | sky0 | bushido: sorry: xkbd |
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| 23:34.16 | Borg^Queen | AjLavJo: do you have all of wine installed? |
| 23:34.17 | marccd | mfrisch: works perfectly |
| 23:34.27 | sky0 | bushido: damn short words;-) |
| 23:34.39 | marccd | mfrisch: I mean, stopping and starting alsa gets sound mixer stuff back |
| 23:34.42 | Borg^Queen | sky0: and fast fingers? |
| 23:34.45 | AjLavJo | all of wine? by that you mean? |
| 23:34.53 | dupondje | hi, what can cause this: when i download smth from my server, i get full speed (10mb/sec) but when somebody is uploading, i can't get full speed, only get 2mb/sec :s |
| 23:34.57 | marccd | mfrisch: not reconfigure though.. |
| 23:35.00 | Borg^Queen | There are additional wine packages that might help you |
| 23:35.01 | thingfish | bushido...isn't that a karate reference? |
| 23:35.06 | sky0 | Borg^Queen: no, too small brain:-) |
| 23:35.11 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 23:35.27 | ke6isf | dupondje: You're downloading from your server... where is your server? |
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| 23:35.33 | dupondje | local net |
| 23:35.52 | ke6isf | dupondje: So you're pulling a file from the server. Where is the upload coming from? |
| 23:35.53 | s_ward | marccd, did you read the alsa-base FAQ? |
| 23:36.04 | bushido | thingfish: yes, its the kill-someone-with-one-finger-trick :) |
| 23:36.04 | thingfish | no japanese stylists in this channel, please - #debian is strictly shaolin. |
| 23:36.08 | dupondje | from internet ... |
| 23:36.12 | dupondje | so no local upload |
| 23:36.20 | mfrisch | s_ward help him PLEASE |
| 23:36.24 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:36.27 | marccd | s_ward: /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/FAQ |
| 23:36.36 | s_ward | marccd, that's the one |
| 23:36.37 | ke6isf | dupondje: It sounds normal. What kind of connection is your outside connection? |
| 23:36.47 | dupondje | 10mbit full duplex |
| 23:36.53 | marccd | s_ward: reading it |
| 23:37.05 | dupondje | but why i don't get full speed, its local net, so should get full download speed no ? |
| 23:37.08 | AjLavJo | marccd: good boy! |
| 23:37.10 | ke6isf | dupondje: And the 2mb/s transfer speed is one particular user, or are you invariably getting this kind of connection? |
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| 23:37.36 | ke6isf | dupondje: Keep in mind that your fastest speed will be only as fast as your slowest connection. |
| 23:38.08 | Borg^Queen | So if you're DLing from a dialup, you're stuck at 56k |
| 23:38.15 | Borg^Queen | AKA source bound |
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| 23:38.45 | ke6isf | Borg^Queen: Right, but if you're running on an OC3 but talking to some 768/128 DSL, you're only going to get 768 mbits tops. |
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| 23:38.58 | Borg^Queen | Exactly |
| 23:39.16 | ke6isf | In short, you can't put ten gallons of coffee in a five gallon urn. |
| 23:39.20 | Supaplex | er 128 tops, 768 is the dsl downstream. |
| 23:39.31 | dupondje | if i download from a server that is @ local network, i should always get full 100mbit speed ? no ? :s |
| 23:40.11 | ke6isf | Supaplex: wait, you're right. That 768 applies if you're uploading to it. =O.o= |
| 23:40.20 | jetx | dupondje: not always |
| 23:40.30 | ke6isf | dupondje: Not necessarily. Anything so fickle as lunar phase can affect it. |
| 23:40.35 | Borg^Queen | SDSL is even up and down |
| 23:40.35 | emorys | how come my ip address is not contained within the header of a mail i sent to myself from fastmail.fm? |
| 23:40.44 | jetx | i get like 6M i think |
| 23:40.44 | emorys | in fact, i tried another basic webmail service, sending a letter to myself, and my ip is not contained in the headers of that mail either. |
| 23:40.57 | dupondje | but why i get full speed when nobody is uploading, and if somebody is uploading, speeds drops like hell |
| 23:40.58 | ke6isf | jetx: Heh, I can't yet afford that. ^^ |
| 23:41.02 | Borg^Queen | ke6isf: Howl do you mean the moon can affect it? |
| 23:41.21 | ke6isf | Borg^Queen: Well, it sometimes seems so. |
| 23:41.53 | CosmoDad | emorys: shouldn't mail headers contain mail server addresses only? |
| 23:42.13 | Rynkan | how do i restart x? |
| 23:42.28 | emorys | actually, i was wrong about the second basic webmail service. but for fastmail, it is true. |
| 23:42.38 | CosmoDad | Rynkan: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
| 23:42.47 | jetx | Rynkan: /etc/init.d/?dm restart , as root, will work if you have gdm/xdm or any dm |
| 23:43.00 | jetx | Rynkan: ctrl alt bckspace will stop xserver |
| 23:43.06 | Borg^Queen | Rynkan: after exiting, use ctrl alt backspace |
| 23:43.25 | Borg^Queen | Ooh in quadraphonic |
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| 23:43.31 | jetx | use ctrl alt bckspace if you don't use a ?dm |
| 23:43.37 | CosmoDad | jetx: too late... |
| 23:43.41 | jetx | o |
| 23:43.42 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 23:44.18 | bluefox | where can i find a list of error codes for dpkg? |
| 23:45.12 | S0L1DUS | anyone use dvd::rip? |
| 23:46.03 | Borg^Queen | Yes |
| 23:46.17 | Borg^Queen | S0L1DUS: what you need? |
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| 23:46.31 | ke6isf | bluefox: Use the source, Luke. =^_^= |
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| 23:46.42 | bluefox | lol |
| 23:46.50 | Borg^Queen | google |
| 23:46.51 | bluefox | not gunna happen |
| 23:46.55 | bluefox | google? |
| 23:47.01 | S0L1DUS | have you gotten subtitles to work with it? i cant grab subtitles or create vobsub |
| 23:47.06 | ke6isf | How does one search source archives for a package? |
| 23:47.26 | Borg^Queen | S0L1DUS: do you have subtittleripper installed? |
| 23:47.33 | Borg^Queen | S0L1DUS: check all the deps |
| 23:47.52 | S0L1DUS | roger that |
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| 23:48.23 | pepsi | after i do `make menuconfig` how am i supposed to compile kernel modules? |
| 23:48.27 | pepsi | `make modules`? |
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| 23:49.24 | s_ward | pepsi, yes, but see /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 23:49.47 | Borg^Queen | Hmm thirsty |
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| 23:50.48 | bluefox | omfg |
| 23:50.51 | bluefox | i fixed it |
| 23:51.07 | RogueDopple | omfg wow |
| 23:51.28 | bluefox | the fix was dpkg --force-overwrite -i <package> |
| 23:51.32 | AjLavJo | congrats bluefox :) |
| 23:51.37 | bluefox | ty |
| 23:51.53 | Borg^Queen | what did you fix? |
| 23:51.57 | bluefox | i looked all day an dnever once thought to use -i with the --force-overwrite |
| 23:52.29 | AjLavJo | learn something new everyday : |
| 23:52.34 | bluefox | i had a problem with a package wanting to overwrite a file that was owned by another package installed previously |
| 23:52.46 | bluefox | and it was stuck, refused to install it.. |
| 23:52.48 | Borg^Queen | is there a dpkg howto url? |
| 23:53.02 | bluefox | i googled my error and the second result i got showed me how to fix it...i'm so lame |
| 23:53.13 | Borg^Queen | bluefox: welcome to the club |
| 23:53.18 | bluefox | lol |
| 23:53.23 | bluefox | ty |
| 23:53.54 | Borg^Queen | We have a pool though |
| 23:54.33 | Borg^Queen | get your hands off me |
| 23:54.37 | bluefox | lol |
| 23:54.51 | Borg^Queen | bluefox: but the pool is empty |
| 23:54.55 | bluefox | don't make her assimilate your ass :P |
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| 23:54.59 | Borg^Queen | Well if you don't count the bodies. |
| 23:55.07 | jetx | it's asslaminate |
| 23:55.14 | Langly1 | what if i want her to |
| 23:55.20 | Randall64 | What's wrong when my machine doesn't power off at shutdown -h? |
| 23:55.23 | bluefox | bodies? who counts bodies? ;P |
| 23:55.34 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 23:55.39 | deadcat | Randall64: apm or acpi not activated |
| 23:55.49 | Borg^Queen | Langly1: never going to happen |
| 23:55.54 | bluefox | oh..is that the problem O.O |
| 23:55.59 | Randall64 | deadcat: It squawks about the bios being too old, so I have to load apm by hand? |
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| 23:56.05 | Randall64 | (too old for acpi) |
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| 23:56.23 | Randall64 | apm: disabled - APM is not SMP safe. |
| 23:56.25 | Randall64 | ugh |
| 23:56.26 | jetx | Randall64: there is a setting when you compile that says what year bios you don't like |
| 23:56.29 | Randall64 | linux rocks |
| 23:56.33 | jetx | acpi |
| 23:56.42 | jetx | >=x |
| 23:56.44 | Randall64 | jetx: compile the kernel? no thanks |
| 23:56.58 | jetx | you 'may' be able to set that when you load the module |
| 23:57.12 | Randall64 | ACPI disabled because your bios is from 00 and too old |
| 23:57.12 | Randall64 | You can enable it with acpi=force |
| 23:57.29 | Randall64 | I just know this isn't going to go well. |
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| 23:57.50 | jetx | it might |
| 23:57.55 | jetx | depends on the bios |
| 23:58.15 | jetx | you could also go to the mb manuf site and look for updated bios |
| 23:58.28 | jetx | i bet you never have |
| 23:59.00 | jetx | that would be motherboard manufacturer's website |
| 23:59.34 | Randall64 | jetx: You'd be wrong, of course. |
| 23:59.41 | jetx | \o/ |
| 23:59.50 | jetx | being worng has it's own rewards |
