irclog2html for #debian on 20050811

`00:00.01`	`axl_`	`I have 3.3 now?`
`00:00.01`	`abrotman`	`oh .. ok`
`00:00.19`	`axl_`	`3.3.2 i guess it is`
`00:00.22`	`axl_`	`I want 3.4`
`00:00.29`	`Wyzard`	`axl_: See the /topic`
`00:00.35`	`PandaKun`	`!eat dpkg`
`00:00.45`	`PandaKun`	`!crap out dpkg`
`00:01.10`	`abrotman`	`!crap`
`00:01.11`	`dpkg`	`crap is, like, if its not crap, its hilarious`
`00:01.16`	`abrotman`	`!fart`
`00:01.19`	`abrotman`	`there ... happy?`
`00:01.49`	`*** part/#debian natha1 (n=nathan@97-60.240.81.adsl.skynet.be)`
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`00:02.02`	`LaidBack_01`	`well... I'm going home`
`00:02.05`	`amorphix`	`hi guys`
`00:02.07`	`LaidBack_01`	`I wrote down your notes`
`00:02.09`	`LaidBack_01`	`will do it tomorrow`
`00:02.12`	`LaidBack_01`	`have a good one`
`00:02.13`	`*** join/#debian initiate (i=initiate@83.148.78.86)`
`00:02.16`	`SerajewelKS`	`i've been around bzflag.. the general consensus is that ALSA OSS emulation should allow pure OSS apps to send their audio to /dev/dsp and still get mixed with dmix, even though the howto i read seems to imply otherwise`
`00:02.17`	`initiate`	`YAY !`
`00:02.26`	`initiate`	`thanks a lot abrotman`
`00:02.32`	`abrotman`	`initiate: sound works ?`
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`00:02.36`	`initiate`	`aye :)`
`00:02.37`	`sly008`	`Why doesn't Linux forward packets from eth0 to eth1? I did a echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward && echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/rp_filter. On the 192.168.0.2 machine, which is direct coneected to 192.168.0.1, I made a ping and it says host unreachable. Here are the routes of the two computer http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=7751.`
`00:02.37`	`amorphix`	`dmesg: eth0: no IPv6 routers present <-- is this something I should worry about?`
`00:02.42`	`abrotman`	`initiate: now your porn has sound!`
`00:02.52`	`initiate`	`<-pwnd`
`00:02.53`	`concept10`	`is apache2.conf the same as httpd.conf in sarge`
`00:02.59`	`abrotman`	`kind of`
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`00:03.03`	`abrotman`	`in part`
`00:03.06`	`initiate`	`btw abrotman ,i didn't have to use su`
`00:03.11`	`abrotman`	`initiate: erm .. ok`
`00:03.30`	`initiate`	`the first time it failed to install ... it was looking for pnp and pci cards`
`00:03.32`	`axl_`	`when I msg dpkg about kde3.4 it says something about it not being packaged yet`
`00:03.35`	`stuarta`	`sly008: What? both eth0 & eth1 on 192.168.0/24 ???`
`00:03.41`	`s_ward`	`abrotman: Sorry, I mis-rememebered the DWN report on MySQL, was in fact proposing defaulting to 4.1 which would remove the dependency on libmysqlclient12`
`00:03.43`	`amorphix`	`hi`
`00:03.46`	`initiate`	`i rebooted and the ALSA configurator worked smooth`
`00:03.56`	`sly008`	`stuarta, no`
`00:03.56`	`abrotman`	`initiate: oh good`
`00:04.02`	`initiate`	`:)`
`00:04.06`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 567] by debhelper`
`00:04.09`	`abrotman`	`s_ward: i'm voting for the removal of mysql :)`
`00:04.09`	`Biogas`	`thanks guys`
`00:04.13`	`Biogas`	`it worked ^_^`
`00:04.16`	`initiate`	`now i have to put my 40gbs of music back on the pc ;P`
`00:04.22`	`s_ward`	`abrotman: me too :)`
`00:04.29`	`concept10`	`abrotman, You know when you first install apache2, it goes to the default page, where do you direct it away from that, I guess its called document root.....`
`00:04.30`	`abrotman`	`initiate: is that all ?`
`00:04.32`	`s_ward`	`abrotman: or I would, if I could..`
`00:04.37`	`abrotman`	`concept10: yes`
`00:04.47`	`Wyzard`	`axl_: Correct`
`00:04.56`	`initiate`	`abrotman, with 80gbs hdd 40gbs of music and 30gbs of movies is the best i can get ;)`
`00:04.57`	`stuarta`	`sly008: so eth1 on 192.168.0.2?`
`00:04.58`	`concept10`	`abrotman, what config file is it apache2.conf?`
`00:05.27`	`abrotman`	`concept10: probably ... /etc/apache2/conf/available-sites/default .. or something liek that`
`00:05.34`	`abrotman`	`initiate: hehe`
`00:06.09`	`sly008`	`stuarta, main computer eth0 is set to 192.168.0.1, eth1 172.30.2.193 ---- the other computer is directly connected to eth0 with adress 192.168.0.2`
`00:06.17`	`concept10`	`abrotman, okay, thanks`
`00:06.22`	`amorphix`	`dmesg: eth0: no IPv6 routers present <-- is this something I should worry about?`
`00:06.32`	`initiate`	`now i have a new question ;P`
`00:06.36`	`PandaKun`	`sup`
`00:06.40`	`initiate`	`how to start an ftp server ?`
`00:06.51`	`abrotman`	`initiate: you have to install one`
`00:06.57`	`stuarta`	`sly008: assume you have a crossover cable & can ping between 192.168.0.1 & 2`
`00:06.57`	`abrotman`	`initiate: is the other machine a windows box ?`
`00:07.04`	`initiate`	`yes,but how`
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`00:07.08`	`sly008`	`stuarta, I can`
`00:07.09`	`dvs`	`sounds like a bumper sticker`
`00:07.10`	`abrotman`	`initiate: you probably wwant to look at samba`
`00:07.22`	`Wyzard`	`initiate: "proftpd" is one FTP server that I know of`
`00:07.37`	`abrotman`	`apt-get install proftpd should take care of it`
`00:07.39`	`initiate`	`so .... apt-get install`
`00:07.44`	`abrotman`	`i'm still voting for samba`
`00:07.46`	`abrotman`	`!refcard`
`00:07.46`	`sly008`	`stuarta, the problem is I can't access 172.30.0.0 network from 192.168.0.2`
`00:07.46`	`dpkg`	`hmm... refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/`
`00:07.47`	`initiate`	`kinda thought so ;)`
`00:07.56`	`stuarta`	`sly008: eth1 needs default route to the rest of the world, other machine needs default route to 192.168.0.1`
`00:07.58`	`Wyzard`	`sly008: Firewall maybe?`
`00:07.59`	`abrotman`	`initiate: apt-cache search is a wonderful tool`
`00:08.06`	`Wyzard`	`sly008: "iptables -L" on the router`
`00:08.10`	`spf`	`abrotman: I'm questioning the patch in the bug section, it ain't a bash script, how can I use the patch?`
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`00:08.34`	`s_ward`	`amorphix: If you're not using IPv6 then it probably is nothing to worry about`
`00:08.42`	`initiate`	`holy cow !`
`00:08.44`	`amorphix`	`s_ward: ok thanks`
`00:08.52`	`initiate`	`i typed apt-chace search ftp X.X`
`00:08.55`	`nenubat`	`join mamique`
`00:09.04`	`sly008`	`Wyzard, no iptables running`
`00:09.10`	`abrotman`	`spf: probably with patch`
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`00:09.17`	`dvs`	`initiate: now type apt-cache search ftp server`
`00:09.17`	`yoo`	`Somebody have already apply dvdrecord patch to cdrecord ?`
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`00:09.33`	`BourneAgain1`	`Is there an easy way to disable the password requirement for SSH?`
`00:09.36`	`nenubat`	`join #garbure`
`00:09.43`	`spf`	`yea, but how?`
`00:09.50`	`sly008`	`stuarta, you mean my route are incorect (http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=7751)`
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`00:10.06`	`initiate`	`wu-ftpd - powerful and widely used FTP server`
`00:10.07`	`abrotman`	`spf: uhm .. man patch ? . it is probably a source package patch`
`00:10.11`	`abrotman`	`initiate: proftpd`
`00:10.14`	`Wyzard`	`BourneAgain1: You want to run a passwordless FTP server?`
`00:10.17`	`initiate`	`kk`
`00:10.20`	`crn`	`how do i reconfigure my monitor? my choices during instalation don't work`
`00:10.29`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: with keys ..`
`00:10.34`	`lobomufas`	`BourneAgain1: export keys`
`00:10.35`	`initiate`	`have to logout again`
`00:10.35`	`Wyzard`	`crn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`00:10.35`	`initiate`	`brb`
`00:10.51`	`crn`	`Wyzard, thanks`
`00:10.55`	`stuarta`	`sly008: is 172.30.0.3 your upstream router?`
`00:11.03`	`sly008`	`stuarta, yes`
`00:11.04`	`lobomufas`	`ssh-keygen -t rsa and copy ~.ssh/id_rsa.pub content to .ssh/authorized_keys in remote host`
`00:11.11`	`philips`	`Anyone know how to run a script when xscreensaver starts? Or some other program to start a script when the computer is idle`
`00:11.42`	`abrotman`	`!ssh without password`
`00:11.43`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that ssh without passwd is (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) append the contents of the client's ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the server's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (3) on the client: make sure 'Protocol 2' or 'Protocol 2,1' is in ~/.ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config`
`00:11.47`	`abrotman`	`what a piss poor ideea :)`
`00:11.52`	`concept10`	`dammit, my memory is so bad today, how to restart apache`
`00:12.08`	`stuarta`	`sly008: any firewall rules setup?`
`00:12.26`	`RCAM`	`Where does PHP4 install?`
`00:12.27`	`concept10`	`how do I restart apache2 i mean`
`00:12.31`	`beardy`	`concept10: /etc/init.d/apache restart`
`00:12.38`	`concept10`	`ahh yes`
`00:12.43`	`RCAM`	`Is PHP4 the same as PHP on other Distros?`
`00:12.45`	`sly008`	`stuarta, my computer is 172.30.2.193, i've got another ehertnet card eth0 which I configured 192.168.0.1 and I connected a computer N which ip address is 192.168.0.2. I can ping between 192.168.0.1 and 2`
`00:12.48`	`lobomufas`	`RCAM: dpkg -L package`
`00:12.56`	`concept10`	`I need to see a neurologist, my memory is soo bad`
`00:13.00`	`sly008`	`stuarta, no firewall, no where`
`00:13.19`	`sly008`	`stuarta, is there something to configure in the kernel?`
`00:13.31`	`stuarta`	`sly008: iptables -L`
`00:13.33`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: which php ?`
`00:13.40`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: do you want php4-cli ?`
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`00:13.46`	`initiate`	`done`
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`00:13.55`	`sly008`	`stuarta, I don't have iptable, neither on machine A nor B`
`00:13.59`	`initiate`	`where i can find the installed proftpd abrotman ?`
`00:14.00`	`BourneAgain1`	`dpkg: Can all the clients keys be the same?`
`00:14.09`	`RCAM`	`abrotman I want the PHP required for Asterisk Managment Portal.`
`00:14.11`	`abrotman`	`initiate: dpkg -L proftpd .. but you want to start ?`
`00:14.21`	`lobomufas`	`sly008: do you have masquerade between the interfaces?`
`00:14.22`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: should be libapache-mod-php4`
`00:14.23`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: Can all the clients keys be identical?`
`00:14.33`	`sly008`	`lobomufas, what's that?`
`00:14.36`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: uhm . dunno`
`00:14.49`	`initiate`	`i want to start it yes`
`00:14.49`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: why not just make them all the same user then`
`00:14.57`	`abrotman`	`initiate: /etc/init.d/proftpd start`
`00:14.58`	`stuarta`	`sly008: stupid question, assume you can ping the router?`
`00:14.59`	`RCAM`	`abrotman TY.`
`00:15.09`	`beardy`	`concept10: Have a notes.txt, and add "Restart daemons: /etc/init.d/foo restart" to it now? :)`
`00:15.21`	`beardy`	`concept10: Probably cheaper.`
`00:15.28`	`initiate`	`Starting ProFTPD ftp daemon: purepwnage.initiate.bg - PRIVS_ROOT: unable to seteuid(): Operation not permitted`
`00:15.28`	`abrotman`	`it was actually /etc/init.d/apache2 restart ...`
`00:15.41`	`abrotman`	`initiate: gotta be root .. this is where su is useful`
`00:15.51`	`initiate`	`kk`
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`00:16.02`	`initiate`	`brb`
`00:16.04`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: They are all the same user and password. I need SSH to work without passwords to run PVM apparently.`
`00:16.16`	`sly008`	`stuarta, on A I can ping my upstream router of course, 172.30.0.3, and computer B: 192.168.0.2. On B I can only ping A(192.168.0.1). There are only two computers on net 192.168`
`00:16.18`	`abrotman`	`then you give them all the same key`
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`00:16.32`	`RCAM`	`abrotman That was not it... I need the PHP that puts a binary in /usr/bin`
`00:16.33`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: Cool, thank you very much.`
`00:16.34`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: it's only 1 key pair`
`00:16.38`	`lobomufas`	`sly008: I don't read all your conversation, I assume you have one interface in the router lan and the other in other lan, and you want to access eth0 from eth1`
`00:16.42`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: that's php4-cli :)`
`00:16.47`	`stuarta`	`sly008: do you have NAT running on the router.`
`00:16.48`	`RCAM`	`Ahh.`
`00:16.53`	`sly008`	`stuarta, no`
`00:17.02`	`sly008`	`lobomufas, you're right`
`00:17.10`	`lobomufas`	`if it's that you need to do masquerade from eth1 to eth0 to access eth0 lan`
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`00:17.32`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: I see a key for each user that is trusted?`
`00:17.33`	`stuarta`	`sly008: but you are running private address space? Not NAT, no routing...`
`00:17.53`	`lobomufas`	`with iptables it's a single rule, and a line for activating the masqeurade bit in /proc/blabla`
`00:18.04`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: I will read about it. I appreciate your help on this. Thanks.`
`00:18.04`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Mind a PM?`
`00:18.12`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: if all the clients are the same user .. then give them all the same key pair`
`00:18.15`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: for?>`
`00:18.23`	`sly008`	`stuarta, yes, my private space, only my computer A 192.168.0.1 on eth0 and computer B 192.168.0.2.`
`00:18.24`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Pasting.`
`00:18.32`	`abrotman`	`!paste`
`00:18.32`	`dpkg`	`hmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff.`
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`00:18.39`	`sly008`	`stuarta, I just want B to be able to access 172.30 net`
`00:18.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`audio in SDL is choppy and laggy when using ALSA. is there a known fix for this?`
`00:18.54`	`shimano55`	`Hey, how do I make a grub boot FloppyDisk?`
`00:18.56`	`RCAM`	`!paste`
`00:18.56`	`dpkg`	`somebody said paste was Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff.`
`00:19.03`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: apt-cache search php pear`
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`00:19.27`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Doing...`
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`00:19.31`	`sly008`	`stuarta, which it could if packet on A where transfered from eth0 to eth1. eth0 do receive the ping reauest on A from computer B with destination 172.30`
`00:19.34`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: are you the same as rcam.ws ?`
`00:19.42`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: I thought that might be the case so set them up this way. I am a little over 3 weeks into linux. I appreciate the help. I almost went brain dead figuring out how to use FAI. Every brain cell I had hurt for an entire weekend after I got it to deploy my cluster.`
`00:19.53`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Yes.`
`00:19.56`	`initiate`	`hmm`
`00:20.02`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: heh .. did you ever finish the game ?`
`00:20.04`	`initiate`	`i think i started proftpd`
`00:20.10`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Which?`
`00:20.17`	`lobomufas`	`sly008: try this in the node with 2 interfaces: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward; iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE`
`00:20.23`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: dunno .. there was one you were working on a while ago ..`
`00:20.28`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: i went to Uni with Leimy`
`00:20.31`	`stuarta`	`sly008: suggest you setup NAT / Masquerading as suggested`
`00:20.37`	`RCAM`	`abrotman O wow!`
`00:20.47`	`lobomufas`	`well, check syntax first, I don't remember the exact rule hehe`
`00:20.47`	`crn`	`lastlog crn`
`00:20.48`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: yeah .. i'm old :)`
`00:20.49`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Yeah we finished most of our projects.`
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`00:21.01`	`abrotman`	`what happened to rcam.ws ?`
`00:21.06`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Amazingly small world.`
`00:21.13`	`initiate`	`abrotman, what should i do after starting proftpd ?`
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`00:21.21`	`abrotman`	`initiate: don't you want to ftp to it "?`
`00:21.25`	`RCAM`	`abrotman It's being reworked.`
`00:21.31`	`useruser`	`how can i get a screenshot with the mouse cursor included?`
`00:21.39`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: ah ok`
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`00:21.51`	`initiate`	`abrotman, i think i do`
`00:21.53`	`RCAM`	`abrotman I am focusing on RCAM Mobile (http://www.rcammobile.com)`
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`00:22.07`	`abrotman`	`initiate: from your windows box ?`
`00:22.12`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Laptop company ;)`
`00:22.18`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Kinda fun.`
`00:22.24`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: site no workie`
`00:22.26`	`initiate`	`<- lame`
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`00:22.31`	`initiate`	`what do you mean windows box ?`
`00:22.40`	`abrotman`	`initiate: you wanted to ftp from your windows box ?`
`00:22.45`	`abrotman`	`initiate: why did you want an ftp server?`
`00:22.58`	`RvGaTe`	`finished using bash and php: http://pc.rvgate.nl/`
`00:22.58`	`spf`	`abrotman: patch asks what file to patch, I assume the file mentioned in the bugreport "/usr/lib/i686/cmov/libcrypto.so.0.9.7", but gets rejected`
`00:22.58`	`RCAM`	`abrotman I know... That's why I am on here... To get the new server running.`
`00:23.03`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`00:23.05`	`initiate`	`i want to run a ftp server`
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`00:23.15`	`ajpr`	`hi all`
`00:23.22`	`initiate`	i had one while i was using windows,but i`m clueless how to run it under debian
`00:23.30`	`awb4422`	`I have alsa setup - I can hear sound through my speakers, but its only coming out of the left speaker. I plugged in my ipod, and both speakers work. Could this be a setting with alsa or a hardware problem? I have jiggled the cable around and it doesn't make a difference`
`00:23.31`	`abrotman`	`spf: i said earlier .. i think it's a patch against the source files .. not the binary`
`00:23.38`	`abrotman`	`initiate: can you ftp localhost ?`
`00:23.39`	`sly008`	`lobomufas, stuarta, I don't have iptables. I did echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward on both machines ant tried a ping 172.30.1.14 on B, and eth0 on A receive 17:23:32.678866 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], length: 84) 192.168.0.2 > portnfs.soft.sdesigns.com: icmp 64: echo request seq 94`
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`00:24.02`	`initiate`	`sorry abrotman , i don't understand what you mean :(`
`00:24.03`	`sly008`	`portnfs is 172.30.1.14, and this was a tcpdump -i eth0 -v -q`
`00:24.11`	`lobomufas`	`sly008: with the echo line you only permit ip forwarding, if you don't add the masquerade rule you can't do that`
`00:24.15`	`abrotman`	initiate: from a terminal .. `ftp localhost`
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`00:24.35`	`sly008`	`lobomufas, but I don't have iptables !!`
`00:24.37`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Think you can help me setup a DNS server in a bit?`
`00:24.40`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: cat ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys`
`00:24.45`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: apt-get install bind9`
`00:24.50`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: ?`
`00:24.53`	`ajpr`	`i have this problem: to get my sound and tv card working after a reboot, i do this: alsaconf and select my sound card, go through the options so it loads. Then I run modprobe bttv, which loads the module for my tv card. I think alsa is trying to load my tv card as a sound card on start up...`
`00:24.53`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: Sorry did not finish that line.`
`00:24.58`	`stuarta`	`sly008: then install it.`
`00:24.59`	`initiate`	`Connected to localhost.localdomain.`
`00:24.59`	`initiate`	`220 ProFTPD 1.2.10 Server (Debian) [127.0.0.1]`
`00:24.59`	`initiate`	`Name (localhost:initiate):`
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`00:25.04`	`lobomufas`	`sly008: you need it for masquerade, and without masquerade you can't access eth0 from eth1 :/`
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`00:25.14`	`shimano55`	`Question, I had Debain Linux Installed, and then I installed Windows on the other half of my Harddrive. Now I can't seem to get Grub to come up at boot. It just goes right to booting Windows. Also, my Floppy Drive seems to not be working. Is there any way to get Grub to boot????`
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`00:25.25`	`morbius`	`i just configured X and i have 3 'small' issues (1) blurry (2) can't get a resolution higher than 800x600 (3) refresh rate @ 73 when i believe it should be @ 75...anybody able to help?`
`00:25.50`	`sly008`	`lobomufas, you mean I need iptables to transfer from eth0 to eth1???`
`00:25.52`	`lobomufas`	`shimano55: reinstall grub with grub-install after booting with a rescue-cd or something`
`00:25.56`	`sly008`	`I need a soft?`
`00:26.04`	`beardy`	`shimano55: You were given help earlier, what's the problem?`
`00:26.06`	`Wyzard`	`shimano55: Windows overwrites the MBR (where GRUB is located) with its own bootloader`
`00:26.08`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: I assume I can create a key for a remote user to my master node, append the key and send him a key via email to login without a password. I do not really want the password to go over the internet.`
`00:26.19`	`stuarta`	`sly008: iptables sets up the masquerading you need to make it work.`
`00:26.36`	`lobomufas`	`sly008: mmm, I'm not sure if there's other way to do masquerade withuot iptables, but I think so`
`00:26.37`	`shimano55`	`lobomufas, How do I create a resuce CD?`
`00:26.40`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: Thanks for the help. Off to get it to work.`
`00:26.45`	`Wyzard`	`BourneAgain1: How is sending a passwordless key any more secure than sending a passworded key along with its password?`
`00:26.47`	`shimano55`	`beardy, I can't get GRub to Boot.`
`00:26.54`	`shimano55`	`Wyzard, How do I fix that?`
`00:26.56`	`lobomufas`	`shimano55: you can use the install cd writing linux rescue at the "boot:" prompt`
`00:27.05`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: is this for a cluster?`
`00:27.07`	`beardy`	`shimano55: Use the grub boot floppy, doesn't it work?`
`00:27.12`	`Wyzard`	`BourneAgain1: If you have to send a private SSH key, it'd be best to use some established cryptosystem like PGP to secure it`
`00:27.12`	`beardy`	`!grub boot floppy`
`00:27.17`	`lobomufas`	`s/writing/typing`
`00:27.31`	`shimano55`	`beardy, I can't seem to get my floppy drive to work`
`00:27.42`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: Yes`
`00:28.06`	`beardy`	`!grub floppy image`
`00:28.06`	`dpkg`	`i heard grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/`
`00:28.17`	`liable`	`shimano55: just use the install cd to re-install grub.`
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`00:28.36`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: is it on the internet ?`
`00:28.39`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: I program for VB.NET for a living, and somehow got assigned to this project inbetween stuff. I am definitely not familiar with the linux world yet. So far I like it thougj.`
`00:28.43`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Think you could help me for a minute with an install of AMP?`
`00:28.48`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: It will be.`
`00:28.48`	`abrotman`	`wtf is amp ?`
`00:28.56`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: oh ok ..`
`00:29.01`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Asterisk Manangment Portal`
`00:29.05`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: never used it`
`00:29.15`	`shimano55`	`everyone, Ima try to use the Debian CD, thanks for ur help`
`00:29.32`	`RCAM`	`abrotman Even so maybe you could help iron out the erros.`
`00:29.34`	`RCAM`	`errors.`
`00:29.43`	`abrotman`	`RCAM: possibly`
`00:29.48`	`abrotman`	`!ur`
`00:29.48`	`dpkg`	`Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old`
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`00:32.54`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: Thanks for your help. I got iptables to work for my purposes also. I had a little problem getting it running. I definitely am considering writing a script that will autoconfigure all of this. I assume there probably is one. But it seems to me there should be a command prompt for configuring nat and you select an internal interface name and an external one from a menu.`
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`00:33.42`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: Is there a GUI to configure NAT and a firewall for iptables?`
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`00:33.56`	`abrotman`	`i've never used one if there is`
`00:34.07`	`xerophyte`	`how fast the LDAP compare to mysql queries just wondering ?`
`00:34.21`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: I got it running then rebooted. Heh, I thought I was done.`
`00:35.34`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: yes .. you have to script iptables .. read /usr/share/doc/iptables`
`00:35.50`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: Indeed, that is what I did.`
`00:35.57`	`ajpr`	`i have this problem: to get my sound and tv card working after a reboot, i do this: alsaconf and select my sound card, go through the options so it loads. Then I run modprobe bttv, which loads the module for my tv card. I think alsa is trying to load my tv card as a sound card on start up...`
`00:35.57`	`abrotman`	`ah ok`
`00:36.03`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: I found that out after I rebooted :)`
`00:36.06`	`abrotman`	`oh ok`
`00:36.36`	`yoo`	`Can i use wine without risk for upgrade firmware of my DVD recorder it's a .exe file`
`00:36.46`	`yoo`	`?`
`00:36.51`	`yoo`	`:)`
`00:37.02`	`Wyzard`	`yoo: It probably won't work`
`00:37.10`	`yoo`	`oh`
`00:37.39`	`sly008`	`lobomufas, stuarta, what about Network packet filtering (replaces ipchains) in linux menuconfig?`
`00:37.41`	`yoo`	`i want to upgrade my firmware and it's a .exe`
`00:37.42`	`Wyzard`	`yoo: Wine emulates the Windows API, but doesn't actually (AFAIK) provide direct access to the real hardware`
`00:37.53`	`yoo`	`oki`
`00:37.55`	`lobomufas`	`sly008: that's iptables`
`00:38.03`	`yoo`	`thanks`
`00:38.15`	`pureone_`	`yoo then boot windows or complain to the vendor :)`
`00:38.20`	`BourneAgain1`	`abrotman: I see this as an area I could contribute to Debian. Writing GUI configuration stuff. Do you think debian's configuration files could all be converted to use XML? ( To make configuration easier of course )`
`00:38.33`	`yoo`	`pureone_, i don't have windows`
`00:38.33`	`stew`	`hah`
`00:38.38`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain1: doubtful .. xml is overkill`
`00:38.41`	`mtnman`	`yoo: you may be able to update the firmware with freedos`
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`00:39.08`	`shimano55`	`I'm back...`
`00:39.13`	`shimano55`	`It didn't work`
`00:39.18`	`yoo`	`i don't know that`
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`00:39.27`	`yoo`	`freedos`
`00:39.33`	`shimano55`	`I typed linux rescue at the boot: and it just started up to installatiojn`
`00:39.38`	`shimano55`	`any more ideas?`
`00:39.50`	`sly008`	`lobomufas, so what's the difference between apt-get install iptables and turning it on in the kernel?`
`00:40.04`	`lobomufas`	`shimano55: sorry, I say this wrong, type rescue boot=/dev/where/you/have/linux ;)`
`00:40.07`	`mtnman`	`shimano: just "rescue"`
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`00:40.29`	`ajpr`	`i have this problem: to get my sound and tv card working after a reboot, i do this: alsaconf and select my sound card, go through the options so it loads. Then I run modprobe bttv, which loads the module for my tv card. I think alsa is trying to load my tv card as a sound card on start up...I guess what I would like is to find a way to get everything to load properly`
`00:40.39`	`shimano55`	`hmm`
`00:40.41`	`shimano55`	`ok`
`00:40.43`	`shimano55`	`brbr`
`00:41.04`	`mtnman`	`ajpr: man modules`
`00:41.24`	`ajpr`	`thx`
`00:41.32`	`mtnman`	`ajpr: hope it helps.`
`00:41.39`	`ajpr`	`same here :]`
`00:41.54`	`mtnman`	`ajpr: you can set which modules load in /etc/modules`
`00:42.14`	`mtnman`	`ajpr: if you put bttv before the alsa stuff, it should load first.`
`00:42.27`	`ajpr`	`heh yeah but i want the sound card to load first`
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`00:42.34`	`ajpr`	`i think`
`00:42.44`	`mtnman`	`ajpr: why do you think so?`
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`00:43.06`	`ajpr`	`well i saw some error message with the words alsa and bttv on bootup`
`00:43.10`	`ajpr`	`on the same line`
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`00:43.37`	`ajpr`	`and when i run alsaconf it lists my tv card as a sound card`
`00:43.44`	`mtnman`	`ajpr: i would suggest trying loading bttv first, then load alsa. see if it works.`
`00:44.05`	`mtnman`	`ajpr: i have to admit i do not use alsa over here.`
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`00:44.39`	`shimano55`	`uhh..I really hope I can stop coming back :)`
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`00:44.57`	`abrotman`	`shimano55: the grub boot floppy doesn't work ?`
`00:45.09`	`shimano55`	`I did resuce /dev/usr/src/linux and it said "cannot find boot image: rescue"`
`00:45.18`	`abrotman`	`uhm .. no`
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`00:45.22`	`abrotman`	`did you make a floppy ?`
`00:45.23`	`ajpr`	`ok so hmm`
`00:45.25`	`mtnman`	`anyone notice problems at google.com today?`
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`00:45.40`	`abrotman`	`mtnman: yeah .. my naked picture is returned with every result set`
`00:45.56`	`shimano55`	`abrotman, I can't seem to get the stupid drive to work...it's in the My Computer...but says there's no floppy when there is...`
`00:46.06`	`lobomufas`	`shimano55: ie rescue boot=/dev/hda1`
`00:46.16`	`abrotman`	`shimano55: you have no floppy drive ?`
`00:46.16`	`shimano55`	`o`
`00:46.23`	`shimano55`	`I have one`
`00:46.29`	`zero-1`	`i have a problem while litsening to dvd on debian 3.1 sarge`
`00:46.32`	`shimano55`	`but it doesn't seem to work correctly`
`00:46.32`	`abrotman`	`shimano55: did you use rawrite to write the image ?`
`00:46.34`	`zero-1`	`what can i do?`
`00:47.04`	`mtnman`	`zero-1: you could ask an intelligent question about fixing it. you will need to supply more information.`
`00:48.00`	`freen0de`	`I want to install vmware on debian linux with "cedega vmware.exe". even I got the message: "The required resource 'INSTMSIA' is missing.`
`00:48.02`	`shimano55`	`abrotman, I can't even get the drive to work...`
`00:48.08`	`freen0de`	`anyone got a idea?`
`00:48.20`	`shimano55`	`abrotman, can I not get it to work with a cd?`
`00:48.22`	`abrotman`	`shimano55: in windows ?`
`00:48.29`	`shimano55`	`yes in windows`
`00:48.33`	`zero-1`	`well, my sound is working and everything and i just installed libdvdcss on my pc when i play any dvd i can see the movie but i cant litsent to it the same happens with some other programs such as games`
`00:48.35`	`liable`	`shimano55: just boot the cd, let it run untill its detected hardware, then change to tty1 and run grub-install /dev/hda, or you may need to specify the horrible devfs path..`
`00:48.39`	`DoppelGanger`	`god i hate freen0de he eh damn your netsplits`
`00:48.46`	`abrotman`	`shimano55: if you're gonna do that .. just get an ubuntu liveCD .. burn the image .. and boot from it .. then it allows you to use the grub however you want`
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`00:48.57`	`freen0de`	`what the?`
`00:49.02`	`mtnman`	`zero-1: which application are you running to view the dvd?`
`00:49.06`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone here ever run mamob server?`
`00:49.07`	`zero-1`	`xine`
`00:49.12`	`DoppelGanger`	`ha ha figure it out`
`00:49.13`	`TwistedEmotions`	`*mambo`
`00:49.14`	`shimano55`	`abrotman, so I can do the same thing on cd? with the grub image?`
`00:49.21`	`abrotman`	`shimano55: dunno .. maybe ask #grub`
`00:49.22`	`DoppelGanger`	`TwistedEmotions: mambo italiano?`
`00:49.38`	`TwistedEmotions`	`DoppelGanger: yeah.. the dean martin release..`
`00:49.41`	`mtnman`	`zero-1: i don't use xine, but i know that mplayer often needs to have the audio output set.`
`00:49.47`	`DoppelGanger`	`TwistedEmotions: nice :)`
`00:49.49`	`Vincent25`	`liable: as for devfs how do u make it always keep the /dev/sound/dsp as lnk to /dev/dsp at boot, is the rc.local i know its the wrong linux to ask in here`
`00:50.05`	`zero-1`	`would you suggest me to switch to mplayer?`
`00:50.21`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`00:50.21`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`00:50.22`	`liable`	`Vincent25: sorry, I dont know.`
`00:50.24`	`zero-1`	`cause same thing happens with some other programs such as quake 3`
`00:50.32`	`zero-1`	`when i started it doesnt sound`
`00:50.33`	`mtnman`	`zero-1: i suggest you either read the docs for xine, or install another player and read its docs`
`00:50.44`	`Vincent25`	`this is for gaim+paltalk, ty anyway`
`00:50.47`	`zero-1`	`ok`
`00:50.56`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Better question... anyone know how I can completely and absolutely delete SQL, MYSQL, and any other SQL shit?`
`00:51.07`	`zero-1`	`its kind of weird cuase i actually checked with aumix and everything seems to be ok`
`00:51.24`	`shimano55`	`I'll brb`
`00:51.32`	`zero-1`	`apt-get remove mysql-server`
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`00:51.43`	`mtnman`	`zero-1: even if the audio device is working, if you don't tell the player to use it, it can't play the audio. surprising, eh?`
`00:51.45`	`stew`	`TwistedEmotions: apt-get remove --purge mysql-common`
`00:52.02`	`DoppelGanger`	`zero-1: is not ready for master of the universe`
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`00:52.05`	`stew`	`TwistedEmotions: if you want to destroy the data as well rm -rf /var/lib/mysql`
`00:52.20`	`zero-1`	`i dont get it doppelganger`
`00:52.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`stew: ahh ty.`
`00:52.26`	`stew`	`TwistedEmotions: "other sql shit" i dunno what that is`
`00:52.29`	`mtnman`	`doppelganger: i don't think that last comment was neccessary (or funny)`
`00:52.31`	`zero-1`	`sorry my english is bad it takes a bit oftime`
`00:52.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`for what is really necesary udev (for a final user) ? udev only make a "clean" /dev yes ? not have another good features, yes ?`
`00:52.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`stew: is there any other directories where it might be hiding?`
`00:52.59`	`DoppelGanger`	`MrScotty: master of the universe is a xine setting`
`00:53.03`	`DoppelGanger`	`and it was kinda funny`
`00:53.08`	`DoppelGanger`	`do sorry MrScotty i meant mtnman`
`00:53.13`	`DoppelGanger`	`doh*`
`00:53.14`	`stew`	`TwistedEmotions: dpkg -l \| grep libmysql ; and --purge those as well`
`00:53.31`	`mtnman`	`doppelganger: funny is in the eye/ear of the beholder.`
`00:53.33`	`stew`	`TwistedEmotions: that should take care of everything, everything should be dependent on either mysql-common or the libmysql client libraries`
`00:53.49`	`DoppelGanger`	`:)`
`00:53.55`	`zero-1`	`oh you mean the master of the universe experience :P`
`00:53.57`	`stew`	`TwistedEmotions: but you might wanna keep an eye on all the the libmysql client libs take with them when they go`
`00:53.59`	`zero-1`	`lol ive seen it`
`00:54.08`	`freen0de`	`any german debian channels?`
`00:54.09`	`TwistedEmotions`	`stew: will do ;)`
`00:54.12`	`TwistedEmotions`	`stew: ty ;)`
`00:54.15`	`zero-1`	`on xine but still not ready`
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`00:54.28`	`liable`	`freen0de: #debian.de`
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`00:54.56`	`zero-1`	`ok well ill see what i can do about my sound and ill be back`
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`00:54.59`	`zero-1`	`thanks a lot guys`
`00:55.03`	`beardy`	`!tell mtnman about away`
`00:55.06`	`abrotman`	`!tell mtnman about away`
`00:55.12`	`freen0de`	`liable, thank you.`
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`00:55.18`	`doleyb`	`Is there a reliable command to delete all mp3 in a directory?`
`00:55.20`	`Penth`	`anyone have a workaround for new permissions problems in at 3.1.9 other than making everyone use sudo?`
`00:55.30`	`zero-1`	`rm -R dir`
`00:55.32`	`zero-1`	`bye`
`00:55.42`	`M4hd1`	`hey there`
`00:55.50`	`DoppelGanger`	`good looking`
`00:56.05`	`M4hd1`	`how's sid going? Is X and gnome broken yet?`
`00:56.16`	`M4hd1`	`anyone running an up-to-date box?`
`00:56.40`	`doleyb`	`M4hd1: yes its fine rightnow.`
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`00:57.03`	`M4hd1`	`doleyb, gnome and X.org up and fine? No breakage?`
`00:57.21`	`Penth`	`they're fine.`
`00:57.25`	`doleyb`	`idk about gnome, xorg is fine.`
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`00:57.48`	`M4hd1`	`hmmm nvidia-glx still not working with x.org?`
`00:57.57`	`Penth`	`nothing broken in gnome that isn't broken /by/ gnome (gnome-help)`
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`00:59.27`	`shimano55`	`Uh...im back lol`
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`00:59.34`	`shimano55`	`the resuce boot command didn't work`
`00:59.34`	`doleyb`	`M4hd1: well, i use nvidia's own installer, but there was no problem with it. didn't break when upgrading to xorg.`
`00:59.50`	`shimano55`	`and it wouldn't lemme install the Grub Boot Loader without erasing my partition`
`01:00.04`	`M4hd1`	`doleyb, k :) tkz`
`01:00.11`	`shimano55`	`is there any way that I can save the files that I want to keep and just reinstall Debian?`
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`01:01.09`	`liable`	`shimano55: http://www.sysresccd.org/ try that, its only a hundred or so megs, and you should be able to run grub-install from that without having to futz around.`
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`01:01.47`	`Penth`	`you have your home directory on another partition, right? you could always mount it rw and create a tarball`
`01:01.52`	`M4hd1`	`gotta go`
`01:01.54`	`M4hd1`	`tkz all`
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`01:02.45`	`Penth`	`grub was an utter pita ti remove, but I wish I could remmeber how I went back to lilo. sorry`
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`01:03.06`	`Penth`	`been a while`
`01:03.35`	`TwistedEmotions`	`stew: tried removing all and installed again... now my question is what is the default username/password?`
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`01:03.54`	`shimano55`	`liable, I hope this works man...thanks :)`
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`01:04.08`	`liable`	`hehe, good luck. :)`
`01:04.11`	`brady`	`moooooo`
`01:04.11`	`izzyb`	`are there any known issues running sarge for i386 on an amd64 machine?`
`01:04.11`	`Penth`	`shimano, btw - I wasn't here for the first part. This isn't a dual-boot by any chance, is it?`
`01:04.26`	`kde`	`:D`
`01:05.26`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone know how to set up sql server... as far as how to login to it.. or how to reset root password?`
`01:05.32`	`Penth`	`shimano55: ? dual-boot?`
`01:05.32`	`shimano55`	`Penth, I had Deb installed, and then installed Windows on the 2nd half of my HD. Now I can't get grub to come up. Instead it just starts booting Windows, and I need to get Grub up so I can do Linux`
`01:06.07`	`izzyb`	`I have a amd64 machine running woody without any issues (that I've noticed) but I'm having major stability issues with sarge on an amd64`
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`01:06.23`	`izzyb`	`I'm leaning towards a hardware issue, but just wanted to make sure this isn't a known issue first`
`01:06.28`	`Penth`	`ah - it's the opposite of what I thought, then.`
`01:06.30`	`lildude`	`hello vincent\\`
`01:06.52`	`liable`	`shimano55: so, all you should have to do is run 'grub-install /dev/hda', if it doesnt work, you might have to remount /dev/hda rw, I cant remember if it mounts it that by default.`
`01:07.12`	`Penth`	`liable++`
`01:07.41`	`izzyb`	`I'm getting kernel panics and just complete freezes with a blank screen`
`01:07.47`	`shimano55`	`liable, and this iso will give me a terminal?`
`01:07.50`	`yuacht`	`what's the lai format? or .la`
`01:07.51`	`izzyb`	`seems to be any time I try to move a data around`
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`01:07.59`	`Kml`	`how install tkimage?`
`01:08.06`	`izzyb`	`at least that's what I've been trying to do when it happens`
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`01:08.08`	`liable`	`shimano55: yeap, iirc, it just boots to a term.`
`01:08.32`	`liable`	`shimano55: theres a manual for the cd, look at the home page.`
`01:08.36`	`Penth`	`you can also use Ctrl-Alt-F<n> to open a term on most bootdisks`
`01:08.47`	`Erpo`	`Can I assume from the channel topic that X.org doesn't work correctly yet?`
`01:09.54`	`Penth`	`the installer runs in vt1, but the others should be available`
`01:10.32`	`liable`	`Erpo: mostly fine, nvidia problems though I believe. ymmv.`
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`01:11.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`What is the gui version of apt again?`
`01:11.31`	`Penth`	`aptitude`
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`01:11.44`	`chealer`	`TwistedEmotions: the GUI version of APT :?`
`01:11.46`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Errr.. the gui version of aptitute..`
`01:11.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`yeah`
`01:12.08`	`chealer`	`there's no such thing. you might be thinking about synaptic though`
`01:12.18`	`TwistedEmotions`	`yeah synaptic`
`01:12.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`thanks`
`01:12.36`	`liable`	`!confuse TwistedEmotions`
`01:12.37`	`dpkg`	`No, what is our badger tomorrow, TwistedEmotions? shirts of the monarchy of swaziland with extra crabpaste`
`01:12.47`	`litage`	`i just installed pkg-config. how can i generate gaim.pc?`
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`01:13.49`	`TwistedEmotions`	`isnt synapic the gui version of apt basically?`
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`01:14.49`	`doleyb`	`TwistedEmotions: to be technical about it, apt is a library not a program. there is no "gui version of apt", but there are gui things which use apt.`
`01:14.54`	`chealer`	`TwistedEmotions: no. synaptic uses APT.`
`01:16.00`	`jkern`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:16.15`	`shimano55`	`liable, thanks man...hopefully when this downloads, I'll be back on X-Chat on Deb :)`
`01:16.31`	`liable`	`shimano55: np.`
`01:17.06`	`shimano55`	`liable, Can you recomend a good ISO burner for WIndows`
`01:17.09`	`shimano55`	`??`
`01:17.23`	`liable`	`nero.`
`01:18.07`	`initiate`	`nero or alchohol 120%`
`01:19.47`	`shimano55`	`liable/initiate, Any good free ones?`
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`01:21.07`	`initiate`	`shimano55, i think they have a trial period`
`01:21.18`	`initiate`	`dunno about any free ones,i always used those two`
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`01:21.34`	`liable`	`shimano55: doesnt windows come with a burning program?`
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`01:22.53`	`gumpstered`	`how do i start a process over ssh and have it continue running after i disconnect?`
`01:22.55`	`gumpstered`	`...and then be able to bring it to the foreground when i reconnect`
`01:23.06`	`asg`	`gumpstered: screen`
`01:23.09`	`rob_lt`	`gumpstered: man screen`
`01:23.24`	`rob_lt`	`or nohup if you don't care about reconnecting`
`01:23.25`	`gumpstered`	`isnt there a way to do this without screen though`
`01:23.36`	`asg`	`gumpstered: nohup`
`01:23.51`	`asg`	`gumpstered: but screen is the best way to do such things`
`01:24.01`	`shimano55`	`liable, its not an iso burner...`
`01:24.32`	`gumpstered`	`ill check out screen`
`01:25.43`	`stew`	`TwistedEmotions: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian`
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`01:26.38`	`ilan`	`hello, i need to build a custom debian installer that will work with some funky hardware i have... (raid controller, nics, etc) ive patched a kernel, but im unsure of how to get it on an install cd. any suggestions on guides or docs??`
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`01:27.45`	`asg`	`ilan: /msg dpkg custom d-i`
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`01:29.02`	`ilan`	`asg: thanks`
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`01:30.12`	`asg`	`ilan: if that isn't to your liking, use 'bootcd' to build a custom livecd from a debootstrp + custom kernel and use the handy bootcd2disk utility (on the newly created livecd) to copy the contents to the drive.`
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`01:32.23`	`izzyb`	`anyone know of a good hardware diag tool that works with amd64 machines?`
`01:32.40`	`asg`	`izzyb: #debian-amd64 might know`
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`01:32.57`	`izzyb`	`oh, thanks asg. didn't know about that channel`
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`01:33.27`	`ilan`	`asg: this looks like what im trying to do... ive got several of these systems to setup so it'll be helpful to have a cd i can use.`
`01:33.38`	`asg`	`ilan: nod`
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`01:34.32`	`timo___`	`is there any java runtime package except the one sun provide so i can go to certain web sites that require java (hushmail)`
`01:34.47`	`asg`	`timo___: ibm has a few`
`01:34.58`	`asg`	`timo___: /msg dpkg install java`
`01:35.03`	`doleyb`	`timo___: kaffe works too, and is in debian normally`
`01:35.28`	`timo___`	`doleyb: ?`
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`01:37.03`	`initiate`	`how can i get a bittorrent program ?`
`01:37.15`	`initiate`	`apt-get install bittorrent ?`
`01:37.21`	`zinx`	`initiate: yes, or bittornado`
`01:37.26`	`doleyb`	`initiate: that works, but bittornado is slightly better.`
`01:37.33`	`asg`	`ilan: apt-cache search bittorrent`
`01:37.37`	`Penth`	`bittornado is excellent`
`01:37.41`	`zinx`	`initiate: you can apt-cache search bittorrent for other options, as asg says`
`01:37.42`	`initiate`	`any chance i can get bitcomet ?`
`01:37.50`	`initiate`	`ah`
`01:37.50`	`initiate`	`k`
`01:38.14`	`Penth`	`bitcomet? Is that for Linux?`
`01:38.36`	`initiate`	`it's for windows,but i like it much better than bittornado`
`01:38.39`	`asg`	`!list`
`01:38.39`	`dpkg`	`one warez list being sent`
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`01:38.44`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh`
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`01:38.59`	`initiate`	`ah azreus`
`01:39.12`	`timo___`	`i cant figure out what /msg dpkg install java tells me`
`01:39.18`	`Penth`	`dpkg, !list is also for anime l33ching`
`01:39.18`	`dpkg`	`okay, Penth`
`01:39.22`	`asg`	`timo___: did you read it?`
`01:39.47`	`timo___`	`yes`
`01:39.50`	`asg`	`!tell timo___ about java-package`
`01:39.53`	`timo___`	`i've tried before too`
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`01:40.51`	`timo___`	`did not work`
`01:41.01`	`FieldySnuts`	`!doesn't work`
`01:41.32`	`asg`	`bsims: eau do marlboro man`
`01:41.41`	`asg`	`s/do/du/`
`01:41.42`	`bsims`	`asg: heh I'd buy it <g>`
`01:41.50`	`bsims`	`asg: /me lights another smoke`
`01:41.59`	`freen0de`	`okay. good night at all...`
`01:42.04`	`timo___`	`apt couldnt find any java-package`
`01:42.19`	`john`	`anybody know much about DVD Burning in k3b? quick question..`
`01:42.21`	`asg`	`timo___: what debian version?`
`01:42.21`	`FieldySnuts`	`~lart timo___`
`01:42.27`	`RvGaTe`	`!snmp`
`01:42.28`	`dpkg`	`snmp is probably the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol`
`01:42.30`	`asg`	`john: #debian-kde might`
`01:42.31`	`timo___`	`asg: etch`
`01:42.35`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh`
`01:42.39`	`asg`	`info java-package etch`
`01:42.47`	`asg`	`!info java-package etch`
`01:42.49`	`dpkg`	`java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.25 (etch), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB`
`01:42.53`	`asg`	`timo___: ^^^`
`01:43.42`	`asg`	`timo___: if that doesn't make sense, /msg dpkg contrib`
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`01:44.48`	`Penth`	`!list`
`01:44.48`	`dpkg`	`one warez list being sent`
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`01:45.44`	`FieldySnuts`	`@locate test`
`01:46.00`	`FieldySnuts`	`@dachs me`
`01:46.01`	`ravenbird`	`fieldysnuts: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange!`
`01:46.28`	`bsims`	`Now for a shower`
`01:46.34`	`FieldySnuts`	`c_C`
`01:46.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`HELP... PLEASE... I was in a directory and I typed "sudo mv " now all the files are gone except one directory... I meant to type "sudo mv .." please please help...`
`01:47.09`	`stumbles`	`heh`
`01:47.19`	`bsims`	`I got my gun cleaned, oiled, reloaded and back in the holdster on my nightstand... now for food, and a shower`
`01:47.20`	`Covener`	`TwistedEmotions: are they all now in the directory? Move them back?`
`01:47.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`yeah`
`01:47.27`	`TwistedEmotions`	`heh`
`01:47.29`	`TwistedEmotions`	`that was easy`
`01:47.36`	`bsims`	`Blind Panic does that`
`01:47.43`	`liable`	`hah`
`01:47.51`	`TwistedEmotions`	`dude.. I was about to isssht a brick.`
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`01:48.44`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`i dont suppose anybody could help an an idiot like me and could tell me how I could update the php4-mcrypt package mahself`
`01:48.45`	`TwistedEmotions`	`hahah`
`01:49.06`	`asg`	`OvrLrd-Q: update in what way?`
`01:49.20`	`stumbles`	`anyone come across a program that can print and keep track of invoices?`
`01:49.20`	`RvGaTe`	`is there a server side package to monitor all the traffic in the lan ?`
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`01:49.47`	`asg`	`RvGaTe: snort, ntop, iptraf, etc...`
`01:49.51`	`stumbles`	`you can monitor all traffic coming to _a particular machine_`
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`01:49.53`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`asg: as in the php4-mcrypt in unstable is for 4.3.10 while php4 in unstable is 4.4.0`
`01:50.09`	`FieldySnuts`	`no, you can do all traffic if the network arrangement is set up that way`
`01:50.24`	`xsdg_`	`I'm trying to configure X (xfree86). I did the dpkg-reconfigure stuff, but now dexconf -o /dev/stdout exits without printing anything. Any ideas?`
`01:50.35`	`ohad_`	`hi, #postfix is asleep.. i was wonderfing if anyone here has a suggestion for why i am getting the following error when trying to retrieve emails remotely - i am getting the msg imaplogin: chdir mydomain.com/myusername no such file or directory`
`01:50.38`	`stumbles`	`FieldySnuts: assuming you don't have a switch`
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`01:50.52`	`asg`	`OvrLrd-Q: in unstable .. in unstable .. ?`
`01:50.54`	`stumbles`	`RvGaTe: ethereal is worth a look too`
`01:50.56`	`FieldySnuts`	`you can have a switch, it just has to have the capability to have that port set to promisc`
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`01:51.30`	`asg`	`OvrLrd-Q: wait a few days`
`01:51.36`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`asg: Yea i know it's unstable :), but tired of waiting for maintainer to upload new package :)`
`01:51.45`	`stumbles`	`FieldySnuts: if you are connected to a switch you only receive pkts for your machine`
`01:51.58`	`asg`	`OvrLrd-Q: or get the earlier working package from s.d.n (/msg dpkg sdn)`
`01:52.01`	`stumbles`	`FieldySnuts: you mean a hub`
`01:52.20`	`ohad_`	`any ideas why?`
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`01:52.36`	`xsdg`	`isn't there a factoid on how to configure X?`
`01:52.38`	`Covener`	`stumbles: the switch can be configured to have all the traffic be visible to specific switch ports (for this type of thing)`
`01:52.55`	`asg`	`ohad_: from the looks of it, your virtual domains configuration is broken.`
`01:53.02`	`RvGaTe`	`stumbles: got experience with ethereal ?`
`01:53.07`	`doleyb`	`stumbles: a hub cannot understand the contents of packets. they give the same packets to all connected pcs.`
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`01:53.15`	`stumbles`	`Covener: if you're spending big $$ on a switch perhaps`
`01:53.15`	`FieldySnuts`	`stumbles: you don' tknow what you're talking about so leave me alone`
`01:53.19`	`asg`	`xsdg: /msg dpkg drxx`
`01:53.25`	`xsdg`	`asg: grazie`
`01:53.26`	`stumbles`	`doleyb: i know`
`01:53.29`	`xsdg`	`dpkg: tell me about drxx`
`01:53.39`	`ohad_`	`asg, yes it seems like it. but where would you suggest that i address that issue? main.cf?`
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`01:54.02`	`asg`	`ohad_: dunno, I only use qmail and exim.`
`01:54.23`	`ohad_`	`asg, heh. ok thx`
`01:54.30`	`asg`	`ohad_: sorry`
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`01:54.57`	`xsdg`	`asg: is there a way to force it to be created? currently, my XF86Config-4 is empty...`
`01:55.07`	`asg`	`xsdg: /msg dpkg x md5sum`
`01:55.15`	`ohad_`	`postfix anyone:)`
`01:55.15`	`ohad_`	`?`
`01:55.21`	`xsdg`	`just read that; that's what I'm trying to circumvent`
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`01:56.02`	`freedom101`	`there is anyone that know how can i get the name of all the packet that have libgtk-perl for dependency?`
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`01:56.13`	`asg`	`freedom101: apt-rdepends`
`01:56.18`	`freedom101`	`ok`
`01:56.21`	`freedom101`	`thanks`
`01:56.42`	`stumbles`	`RvGaTe: not really, i just use it to debug my network progs - set it to monitor the network interface and it captures traffic in a log for you`
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`01:56.48`	`PandaKun`	`!exim`
`01:56.49`	`dpkg`	`exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq \| awk '{print $3}' \| xargs exim -Mrm"`
`01:57.12`	`PandaKun`	`great im using exim4`
`01:57.15`	`PandaKun`	`i got scared`
`01:57.16`	`PandaKun`	`LOL`
`01:57.24`	`PandaKun`	`!atd`
`01:57.34`	`stumbles`	`RvGaTe: has all sorts of filter etc to make life easier, and can be set in promiscuous mode to monitor traffic not sent to that interface`
`01:57.36`	`asg`	`PandaKun: /msg dpkg at`
`01:58.24`	`PandaKun`	`!ntp`
`01:58.24`	`dpkg`	`ntp is, like, the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information.`
`01:58.32`	`PandaKun`	`=]`
`01:58.47`	`RvGaTe`	`stumbles: what i want is a simple server-side tool to traffic all traffic on the router... (so i can check the total internet download and upload)`
`01:59.12`	`RvGaTe`	`^- kinda strange sentince`
`01:59.26`	`asg`	`at <some timespec> cowsay -f stimpy Nummies\!`
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`02:00.08`	`cddesjar`	`where are my icons located? i just installed QGIS and I am trying to find the icon so that I can add it to my KDE menu`
`02:00.10`	`Covener`	`RvGaTe: does all the traffic pass through your server? if not can your server see all the traffic going over the wire (network topology/hardware)`
`02:00.11`	`stumbles`	`RvGaTe: is this like an adsl or cable router? it might have that feature alreay built in`
`02:01.42`	`RvGaTe`	`Covener: stumbles: nope, all traffic goes trough the cable router... it has its own data counter, but im not sure if i can get it displayed on the webpage (http://pc.rvgate.nl)`
`02:01.57`	`timo___`	`thanks asg`
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`02:02.01`	`solemn-laptop`	`hi all`
`02:02.04`	`RvGaTe`	`Covener: stumbles: the server is located behind the router...`
`02:02.12`	`solemn-laptop`	`i have a mysql server`
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`02:02.31`	`solemn-laptop`	`how can i change what password debian-sys-maint connects with?`
`02:03.09`	`xsdg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:03.11`	`xsdg`	`err...`
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`02:05.03`	`asg`	`solemn-laptop: basically, you create a new password and assign it to the user in the mysql.user table. Then, put the same has in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf`
`02:05.18`	`asg`	`s/has in/hash in/`
`02:05.20`	`solemn-laptop`	`ok`
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`02:05.26`	`docgnome`	`Dumb question, but assuming I write a simple program, IE hello world or something, and i compile it in Debian, it shouldn't have any problems being run on another Linux system right?`
`02:05.49`	`solemn-laptop`	`no`
`02:05.56`	`solemn-laptop`	`if its just a normal script\binary`
`02:06.09`	`asg`	`docgnome: provided that the other system isn't big-endian and you compiled it on a little-endian system (and that they are both 32 bits, etc.)`
`02:06.09`	`docgnome`	`nod assuming I don't use any deb specific libs or something`
`02:06.12`	`shimano55`	`liable, man this takes forever to download :)`
`02:06.18`	`shimano55`	`91% ;)`
`02:06.39`	`stumbles`	`RvGaTe: not sure but your router is likely not to have a promisuos mode, so unless you have machine with 2 network cards between the router and cable modem, you won't be able to monitor all traffic`
`02:06.50`	`xsdg`	`shimano55: cyclist? :o)`
`02:07.05`	`shimano55`	`xsdg, Yep :) yourself?`
`02:07.16`	`xsdg`	`yup :o)`
`02:07.26`	`xsdg`	`shimano55: I see you're a campy person...`
`02:07.29`	`xsdg`	`::hide::`
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`02:07.51`	`stumbles`	`RvGaTe: might have to do it per machine`
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`02:08.34`	`xsdg`	`shimano55: road? MTB? other?`
`02:08.37`	`RvGaTe`	`stumbles: but i dont want to :( unless it consumes less cpu power then registering 1 keystroke... :(`
`02:08.38`	`xsdg`	`keikoz: moo`
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`02:08.59`	`MarcelloDebian`	`Boa noite turma!!`
`02:09.06`	`asg`	`!br`
`02:09.06`	`dpkg`	`Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`02:09.18`	`stumbles`	`RvGaTe: i'm just trying to describe your options`
`02:09.35`	`astronut`	`!pt`
`02:09.35`	`dpkg`	`por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues.`
`02:09.37`	`RvGaTe`	`stumbles: i know, and i thank you for that.. :)`
`02:09.40`	`astronut`	`oh, nm`
`02:10.07`	`xsdg`	`astronut: brazilian portuguese vs. portugal portuguese :o)`
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`02:10.10`	`MarcelloDebian`	`hello!!`
`02:10.17`	`xsdg`	`MarcelloDebian: hi`
`02:10.20`	`asg`	`MarcelloDebian: hi, /j #debian-br`
`02:10.24`	`MarcelloDebian`	`ok`
`02:10.26`	`astronut`	`xsdg: it's same channel`
`02:10.32`	`MarcelloDebian`	`go way`
`02:11.00`	`xsdg`	`astronut: I know; just pointing out the difference between pt and br`
`02:11.14`	`PandaKun`	`shivers`
`02:11.18`	`astronut`	`xsdg: nods thanks`
`02:11.24`	`PandaKun`	`brazilian gamrs shivers`
`02:11.25`	`asg`	`MarcelloDebian: this is an English only channel, 'Boa noite turma!!' is not English. Go to #debian-br`
`02:11.32`	`shimano55`	`xsdg, lol...umm I do road most often, but I have a MB too (road bike: Giant OCR 3 - ShimanoUlta components)`
`02:11.33`	`RvGaTe`	`!nl`
`02:11.33`	`dpkg`	`.NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html`
`02:11.38`	`RvGaTe`	`cooly: haha`
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`02:11.50`	`RvGaTe`	`cooly: haha i meant :(`
`02:11.55`	`RvGaTe`	`damn tab`
`02:12.02`	`RvGaTe`	`wtf`
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`02:12.06`	`RvGaTe`	`cool...`
`02:12.10`	`RvGaTe`	`cooly:`
`02:12.13`	`RvGaTe`	`haha`
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`02:12.41`	`xsdg`	`shimano55: cool; I do both as well (though mostly road); half-04-half-05 Fuji Newest (tiagra), K2 Zed 4.0 (Deore LX)`
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`02:12.51`	`RvGaTe`	`when i type "cool" and ":" togetter, it gives me cooly.... how stupid is that`
`02:12.59`	`VDEV`	`Gentlemen often ask me to direct them to the "sweet spot" of Vorbis. The answer is long and complicated, but in its most simple form, I simply answer "6." The beauty of Vorbis.`
`02:13.01`	`abrotman`	`cool:`
`02:13.02`	`abrotman`	`nope`
`02:13.08`	`RvGaTe`	`cooly: see`
`02:13.12`	`xsdg`	`shimano55: also building up a fixie to commute on; looking for generic and/or coda stuff for that one.`
`02:13.55`	`asg`	`VDEV: the cheap whores are in #initgame`
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`02:14.14`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`02:14.14`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies`
`02:14.22`	`RvGaTe`	`lol`
`02:14.33`	`RvGaTe`	`dpkg owns.. :D so funny`
`02:14.36`	`asg`	`FieldySnuts: it joined and spouted some drivel for no apparent reason.`
`02:14.43`	`FieldySnuts`	`yep`
`02:14.50`	`shimano55`	`xsdg, cool man...correction ShimanoSora components`
`02:15.05`	`VDEV`	`Psychoacoustically speaking, it is important to not demand too much of your encoding engine. A line cut over-aggressively will produce an audio that is less crisp and satisfying to the senses.`
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`02:15.23`	`FieldySnuts`	`@date VDEV`
`02:15.29`	`RvGaTe`	`wtf: Psychoacoustically`
`02:15.36`	`asg`	`FieldySnuts: a bot or a troll`
`02:15.43`	`RvGaTe`	`can someone explain me: Psychoacoustically ?`
`02:15.47`	`RvGaTe`	`!Psychoacoustically`
`02:15.54`	`FieldySnuts`	`i could but I don't want to`
`02:16.01`	`RvGaTe`	`damn you :P`
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`02:16.05`	`_dockane_`	`RvGaTe, !wikipedia`
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`02:16.17`	`RvGaTe`	`!wikipedia psychoacoustically`
`02:16.19`	`RvGaTe`	`:P`
`02:16.22`	`RvGaTe`	`no?`
`02:16.23`	`asg`	`RvGaTe: you hear it and then you think of hot dogs`
`02:16.27`	`Roses`	`Help! My dpkg was messed up by a kernel panic in the middle of an upgrade. /var/lib/dpkg/status was missing`
`02:16.45`	`Roses`	`I recovered it - but now apt-get -f install gives an error`
`02:16.47`	`RvGaTe`	`asg.... no i dont?`
`02:16.49`	`Roses`	dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2 package `dlint':
`02:17.05`	`liable`	`shimano55: slow connection? :P`
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`02:17.34`	`Roses`	`can somebody please help with this cause I fear to do more damage than good with trial and error?`
`02:17.34`	`asg`	`RvGaTe: psychoacoustically == you hear it and then you think of hot dogs`
`02:17.47`	`RvGaTe`	`asg.. i dont get it...`
`02:17.55`	`cartel_`	`hhahah asg`
`02:18.39`	`RvGaTe`	`^-wtf`
`02:18.39`	`FieldySnuts`	`~hire RvGaTe`
`02:18.40`	`apt`	`ACTION hires RvGaTe along with pattieja as a US Coast Guard Propeller Cleaner, at 9 dollars/hour to start`
`02:18.47`	`VDEV`	`RvGaTe, Psychouastics is a model VORBIS uses to break apart a complete signal and piece it together in the most accurate manner possible while simultaneously attempting to cut out redundant bits at every 1/10 of a second.`
`02:18.51`	`FieldySnuts`	`damn it why is it always propeller cleaner now`
`02:18.54`	`asg`	`RvGaTe: nevermind, apt-get install cowsay ; cowsay -f stimpy Nummies\! (you'll feel better)`
`02:19.06`	`cartel_`	`!wp psychoacoustics`
`02:19.16`	`RvGaTe`	`FieldySnuts: im not that cheap, haha`
`02:19.22`	`FieldySnuts`	`~hire RvGaTe`
`02:19.22`	`apt`	`ACTION hires RvGaTe along with liable as a McDonalds Floor Mopper, 3rd shift, at 29 kicks in the crotch/hour to start`
`02:19.24`	`cartel_`	`<dpkg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics`
`02:19.25`	`asg`	`VDEV: yes fine, #initgame is ---->`
`02:19.27`	`FieldySnuts`	`better?`
`02:19.32`	`RvGaTe`	`ah, yeah`
`02:19.33`	`RvGaTe`	`:P`
`02:19.45`	`cartel_`	`dpkg: psychoacoustics is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics`
`02:19.45`	`dpkg`	`cartel_: okay`
`02:20.06`	`RvGaTe`	`cartel_: thx, ill give it an eye`
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`02:21.08`	`asg`	`group hug`
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`02:21.33`	`xsdg`	`asg: this is weird. debconf has the xserver-xfree86 info, but dexconf doesn't output anything at all (even when I do -o /dev/stdout)`
`02:22.15`	`Roses`	is there a way to repair /var/lib/dpkg/available ? (Getting an error: value for `status' field not allow in this context)
`02:22.42`	`useruser`	`offtopic, but does anyone know how to get opera to reload and tell the server not to used a cached copy?`
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`02:22.45`	`xsdg`	`Roses: something with dselect iirc`
`02:22.53`	`cartel_`	`asg: what you are talking about is not psychoacoustics but something else`
`02:22.54`	`xsdg`	`Roses: can't remember it exactly, unfortunately`
`02:22.54`	`FieldySnuts`	`ask opera (closed source, commercial)`
`02:22.56`	`asg`	`xsdg: if you manually fooled with /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf, debconf won't do anything. It assumes you know what you are doing and leaves well alone.`
`02:23.00`	`VDEV`	`Gentlemen often ask me to direct them to the "sweet spot" of Vorbis. The answer is long and complicated, but in its most simple form, I simply answer "6." Behold the beauty of Vorbis.`
`02:23.08`	`FieldySnuts`	`VDEV: shut up.`
`02:23.15`	`asg`	`cartel_: I know, I was just being silly`
`02:23.22`	`Roses`	`xsdg: Ok, thanks anyway, I will search for dselect in combination w the error`
`02:23.31`	`cartel_`	`asg: someone's dog, cant remember, that he rang the bell and it salivated.`
`02:23.32`	`FieldySnuts`	`~tasso VDEV`
`02:23.32`	`apt`	`VDEV: tasso tasso tasso tasso fungo fungo serpente oooh serpenteeee!`
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`02:23.58`	`RvGaTe`	`im going to sleep :S`
`02:24.07`	`xsdg`	`asg: the md5sums match; the conf is absolutely empty (nothing was ever written)`
`02:24.13`	`RvGaTe`	`i know it sounds wierd, but what else can i do at 4.24 am ?`
`02:24.20`	`asg`	`cartel_: I never subscribed to Pavlov ;)`
`02:24.29`	`cartel_`	`RvGaTe: you are 4 minutes too late :(`
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`02:24.35`	`RvGaTe`	`nope`
`02:24.40`	`asg`	`xsdg: hmmmm`
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`02:25.04`	`RvGaTe`	`asg: http://pc.rvgate.nl/ <- syncronised time`
`02:25.11`	`RvGaTe`	`on the top`
`02:25.19`	`RvGaTe`	`same here`
`02:25.23`	`xsdg`	`asg: I'm figuring this is a bug, but I'd rather hack a fix than submit a bugreport -- my internet time ends in about 4 minutes`
`02:25.38`	`asg`	`!lart work`
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`02:26.28`	`cartel_`	`RvGaTe: i was referring to 4:20`
`02:26.59`	`RvGaTe`	`carnel_: any particular reason to do that? :P`
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`02:27.33`	`cartel_`	`!wp 420`
`02:27.59`	`cartel_`	`<dpkg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(drug_culture)`
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`02:28.26`	`Roses`	`xsdg: Thanks, founf it and it worked! - was: dselect update ;o)`
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`02:29.18`	`xsdg`	`Roses: cool`
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`02:30.56`	`ginipig`	`it's 4:20 where?`
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`02:32.09`	`Kml`	`how install tkimage ?`
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`02:33.46`	`golly`	`I'm in Mepis...how come the mem% usage column in my "top" output doesn't add up to the 50% that it should?`
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`02:35.25`	`Roburd`	`good doc on preparing for and doing a bare-metal restore on a Debian box? its mostly working but i am having some subtle problems... mysql wont start because permissions are not being restored correctly to /var/run`
`02:36.05`	`beardy`	`Kml: What is tkimage?`
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`02:37.12`	`mwilson`	`"bare-metal restore"? Make tape, restore tape, you're done. This is supposed to be hard?`
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`02:37.49`	`golly`	`I'm in Mepis...how come the mem% usage column in my "top" output doesn't add up to the 50% that it should?`
`02:38.18`	`mwilson`	`Ask in whatever support fora Mepis has. Mepis is not Debian.`
`02:38.21`	`VDEV`	`YOU are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are are are are are are are are are`
`02:39.05`	`nforbes`	`GAY`
`02:39.15`	`nforbes`	`!`
`02:39.23`	`mwilson`	`!gay`
`02:39.24`	`dpkg`	`It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. mwilson is gay`
`02:39.39`	`nforbes`	`haha`
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`02:42.26`	`Roburd`	`mwilson: using usb drive. using tar clvf on backup while in debian. then using a boot cd and doing a tar xpvf but somehow mysql wont start and syslog says mysqld....[ERROR] Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied. I have verified that indeed the permissions are wrong. I am trying to figure what's wrong with my process.`
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`02:42.44`	`Borg^Queen`	`Hey people.`
`02:42.56`	`mwilson`	`hm, I wonder if # 322284 is real.`
`02:43.18`	`Borg^Queen`	`I'm trying to get a my cursor theme (StarCraft) to work in Debian 3.1 with kde 3.3.`
`02:43.24`	`mwilson`	`If xorg requires dbus, I guess I won't be allowing xord to install after all.`
`02:43.30`	`VDEV`	`Computers get me high.`
`02:43.46`	`Borg^Queen`	`It worked on a friend's machine but not mine and I can't figure out why. Identical hardware and setup.`
`02:44.27`	`VDEV`	`How modular they are. How everything connects into something else to collectively bring rise to an entire virtual Universe.`
`02:44.49`	`abrotman`	`mwilson: there are worse things`
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`02:45.29`	`Roburd`	`mwilson: shouldn't I be able to tar off to a drive and tar back on without any hitches. i think that's what you are saying. i thought it should work like that too. I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out why that does not work.`
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`02:46.36`	`Kml`	`beardy, IS NEED FOR AMSN cvs`
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`02:49.24`	`polyfractal`	`I just installed proftpd via an apt-get install proftpd. how might I log into it now? I dont know the user/pass. (Im an extreme linux newb, sorry)`
`02:52.18`	`mwilson`	`polyfractal: Then why are you installing a ftpd and not reading the documentation?`
`02:53.00`	`polyfractal`	`You speak truth. I was trying to get it up fast, its just for local development on my lan (needed a *nix testbed)`
`02:53.08`	`polyfractal`	`Ill go sludge through the docs then`
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`02:53.45`	`chealer`	`wow, I just tried getting my version of windows from my sarge.`
`02:53.57`	`chealer`	`I guess it's time I get vacations`
`02:54.14`	`mwilson`	`chealer: Do you come with subtitles?`
`02:54.43`	`beardy`	`Kml: Ok`
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`02:54.47`	`chealer`	`mwilson: what does that mean?`
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`02:55.15`	`Borg^Queen`	`any suggestions concerning the cursor theme problem?`
`02:55.21`	`mwilson`	`All the best foreign-language films come with subtitles.`
`02:55.42`	`mwilson`	`How does anyone know what's being spoken on-screen otherwise?`
`02:55.56`	`RvGaTe`	`its easy mwilson`
`02:56.03`	`RvGaTe`	`if its german, its crap`
`02:56.05`	`RvGaTe`	`:)`
`02:56.14`	`chealer`	`chealer: am I speaking english?`
`02:56.17`	`RvGaTe`	`no subtitles needed`
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`02:56.40`	`chealer`	`oops. double need for vacations`
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`02:57.24`	`Borg^Queen`	`Neostrafu was Germin`
`02:57.30`	`shimano55`	`Question, Is anyone familiar with using MagicISO for WindowsXP??`
`02:57.37`	`Borg^Queen`	`Hmm Naustrafu? Whatever`
`02:57.38`	`RvGaTe`	`wrong channel`
`02:57.49`	`shimano55`	`sorry, I was just curious`
`02:57.51`	`Borg^Queen`	`shimano55: I am, don't use it`
`02:58.01`	`Borg^Queen`	`Get nero`
`02:58.04`	`mwilson`	`Yet another piracy tool, huh?`
`02:58.08`	`Borg^Queen`	`LOL`
`02:58.09`	`RvGaTe`	`i use either fireburner or nero to get my images on cd`
`02:58.17`	`Borg^Queen`	`Nop an ISO maker for winblows`
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`02:58.29`	`shimano55`	`Borg^Queen, got a quick question..its asking me to select the source of the image...what do i pick..the image itself???`
`02:58.30`	`mwilson`	`In other words, another piracy tool.`
`02:58.47`	`Borg^Queen`	`shimano55: you're trying to make a bootable CD?`
`02:58.51`	`shimano55`	`yes`
`02:58.57`	`timo___`	`damn my alarm clock is damaged, is there any to apt-get install quickly i have to go to bed soon :)`
`02:59.10`	`timo___`	`alarm clock app..`
`02:59.13`	`Borg^Queen`	`insert an xp boot disc into drive and choose that`
`02:59.39`	`Borg^Queen`	`Its looking for a bootable media to copy the boot image`
`02:59.41`	`mlanderdahl`	`timo, cron + xmms ?`
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`02:59.55`	`mlanderdahl`	`timo___, cron + xmms ?`
`02:59.56`	`orchid`	`mwilson: first mp3s then torrents, now iso == piracy?`
`03:00.01`	`beardy`	`Kml: Try installing all depending packages, look at what the stable version of amsn depends on, probably the same depends for the cvs version?`
`03:00.13`	`mwilson`	`orchid: Usually, yes.`
`03:00.24`	`Borg^Queen`	`why do I get the impression mwilson is an alarmist`
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`03:00.33`	`mwilson`	`A realist.`
`03:00.41`	`shimano55`	`Borg^Queen, Can't I do it "From bootable image file"?? I don't have a XP boot disk.`
`03:01.01`	`timo___`	`mlanderdahl: ive never done that`
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`03:01.07`	`freddo1`	`has anyone seen the packet loss problem with multiple 'mtr' running?`
`03:01.09`	`Roburd`	`i am biting my tongue HARD`
`03:01.16`	`rapsys`	`hy`
`03:01.18`	`shimano55`	`Borg^Queen, plus my floppy drive is all fuc*ed up`
`03:01.35`	`rapsys`	`I am looking for help about qemu and pppoe`
`03:02.19`	`mwilson`	`Roburd: Because...?`
`03:02.20`	`Borg^Queen`	`shimano55: then, the imortal works of Bender The Robot, "You're Boned"`
`03:02.24`	`rapsys`	`i have a qemu running a windows XP (obliged to run the program that activate router mode on my modem)`
`03:02.31`	`duncf`	`mwilson: sharing mp3s = legal in some countries`
`03:02.31`	`Borg^Queen`	`words I mean not works`
`03:02.47`	`Borg^Queen`	`who want mp3s, they stink`
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`03:02.51`	`Borg^Queen`	`flat and tinny`
`03:02.53`	`beardy`	`timo___: install beep, and use at(1) 'at 07:00' then type "beep" Ctrl-D, (or xmms -p or whatever you like)`
`03:02.54`	`liable`	`shimano55: isnt it already an iso, you just need to burn it?`
`03:02.59`	`mlanderdahl`	`timo___, Google this: "cron xmms alarm"`
`03:03.04`	`WiFiTux`	`what is the easiest way to use deborphan?`
`03:03.08`	`Borg^Queen`	`liable: he's making a boot cd image`
`03:03.08`	`Roses`	`my dpkg was broken after a kernel panic during an upgrade. Now I get: gnome-session: Depends: gnome-panel (>= 1.4.0.2-3) but it is not installed - How do I fix that?`
`03:03.11`	`deadcat`	`i'll take a dozen`
`03:03.16`	`mlanderdahl`	`timo___, u will get your answer :)`
`03:03.19`	`mwilson`	`duncf: Good for some countries.`
`03:03.26`	`duncf`	`Borg^Queen: well the file format doesn't change the legality, sharing .wav's = legal in Canada`
`03:03.32`	`shimano55`	`liable, I have the image...but its asking me for the source...`
`03:03.37`	`mwilson`	`The "easiest way"?`
`03:03.51`	`rapsys`	`I have my modem connected to eth0 and the windows on tun0 and a br0 with this two ifaces in, but when I try to run pppoe on eth0 it don't works`
`03:04.00`	`Borg^Queen`	`Roses, sorry don't know.`
`03:04.04`	`liable`	`shimano55: your prolly better off, on a windows channel for that program :)`
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`03:04.27`	`Borg^Queen`	`I think it maybe something like apt-get something -a`
`03:04.31`	`deadcat`	`stop bitching about mp3s being illegal. in some countries, mp3 is the last thing you worry about.`
`03:04.42`	`rapsys`	`any way to have the all the paquet going on either tun0 and eth0 be forwarded to each other ?`
`03:04.44`	`Borg^Queen`	`deadcat: Agreed`
`03:04.58`	`deadcat`	`Borg^Queen: thanks. and all these fucking geeks bitch..`
`03:05.05`	`mwilson`	`deadcat: Did I mention MP3's? No? I didn't think so.`
`03:05.17`	`rapsys`	`anyone know ?`
`03:05.19`	`deadcat`	`mwilson: not you.`
`03:05.22`	`Borg^Queen`	`deadcat: I'm a geek "bitch"`
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`03:05.33`	`deadcat`	`Borg^Queen: me too (=`
`03:05.39`	`Borg^Queen`	`WEEEEEE`
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`03:05.50`	`Roburd`	`thanks for the help!`
`03:05.52`	`Borg^Queen`	`Girlz rol boyz drool`
`03:05.55`	`nomed^`	`hi all`
`03:06.00`	`Borg^Queen`	`hi`
`03:06.02`	`deadcat`	`Borg^Queen: not a nerd though. because "nerds are smart."`
`03:06.09`	`Borg^Queen`	`LOL aye`
`03:06.21`	`nomed^`	`is there any script that can recover a dpkg status file ?`
`03:06.26`	`Borg^Queen`	`geek = nerd embryo`
`03:06.37`	`deadcat`	`nomed^: dpkg --get-selections maybe?`
`03:06.41`	`Borg^Queen`	`Roses: man apt`
`03:06.46`	`rapsys`	`phillipsjk: I have a fucking program that only works under windows, so I settup a small windows under a qemu to be able to do a rm -f hd.img just after`
`03:06.55`	`deadcat`	`nomed^: nevermind. i dont know what your q is`
`03:07.01`	`dotCOMmie`	`anyone know of something that prints directory contents recursively in a branching pattern (so contents of a dir are indented)`
`03:07.14`	`Borg^Queen`	`ouch`
`03:07.29`	`timo___`	`there was an alarm plugin for xmms :)`
`03:07.37`	`Borg^Queen`	`Still is`
`03:07.40`	`rapsys`	`phillipsjk: but it seems I need to install it on my real system and I don't want it!!!`
`03:07.42`	`mlanderdahl`	`:)`
`03:07.51`	`rapsys`	`any idea ?`
`03:08.13`	`rapsys`	`or any channel I could found help about routing and bridge ?`
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`03:08.46`	`c01100011`	`what is a good resource for learning bash scripting ?`
`03:08.46`	`nomed^`	`deadcat, think you rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/status`
`03:09.05`	`nomed^`	`abs ... from ldp`
`03:09.06`	`dotCOMmie`	`rapsys: try #openwrt ... they will atleast tell you a proper channel .. if not help you`
`03:09.10`	`mwilson`	`Why would you deliberately break things by deleting the status file?`
`03:09.11`	`rapsys`	`c01100011: lstree ?`
`03:09.15`	`timo___`	`worked great :D`
`03:09.23`	`Roses`	`Borg^Queen: Thanks, but I think my dpkg system is totally fried :o(`
`03:09.30`	`Borg^Queen`	`ouch, sorry`
`03:09.31`	`shimano55`	`liable, ok..think i got it`
`03:09.40`	`shimano55`	`liable, hope I see ya on the other side :)`
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`03:10.07`	`phillipsjk`	`rapsys: stupid qeustion, but have you tried configuring it without the isp-supplied software?`
`03:10.10`	`liable`	`shimano55: :0`
`03:10.25`	`Roses`	`Borg^Queen: absolutely nothing works - not after apt-get -f install and not after dpkg --configure -a`
`03:10.39`	`liable`	`i think I need a new keyboard :(`
`03:10.46`	`Roses`	`the box got a kernel panic in the middle of an upgrade`
`03:11.31`	`nomed^`	`it would be perfect it when a package's installed dpkg generates a control file and not just *.list conffiles and so on`
`03:11.31`	`Borg^Queen`	`Roses: http://wiki.linuxhelp.net/index.php/Apt-get_Guide`
`03:11.37`	`rapsys`	`phillipsjk: In fact I need to make windows dreams it access the eth0 iface directly, so the fucking program could send on the pppoe modem the good sequence to unlock the router mode`
`03:11.54`	`kingtux`	`Best way to install kde`
`03:11.54`	`kingtux`	`??`
`03:11.56`	`kingtux`	`or Gnome`
`03:11.57`	`kingtux`	`??`
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`03:12.10`	`phillipsjk`	`How does it became locked again?`
`03:12.17`	`deadcat`	`!tell kingtux about enter`
`03:12.24`	`deadcat`	`kingtux: apt-get`
`03:12.31`	`liable`	`Roses: make a backup of the file, then edit it, and remove the all the info for that package, then try again.`
`03:12.47`	`Borg^Queen`	`good idea`
`03:12.59`	`Borg^Queen`	`repeat the part about the backup`
`03:13.17`	`liable`	`heh`
`03:13.28`	`kingtux`	`any good source list??`
`03:13.37`	`liable`	`kingtux: apt-setup`
`03:14.28`	`liable`	`kingtux: the best way to install anything in debian is apt-get/aptitude/dselect`
`03:14.31`	`Roses`	`liable: which file did you have in mind?`
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`03:15.01`	`liable`	`available, if its whining about that one.`
`03:15.13`	`kingtux`	`cool liable`
`03:15.35`	`Roses`	`liable: ok, trying that, thanks`
`03:15.42`	`liable`	`Roses: dont forget to make a copy of it :)`
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`03:20.47`	`rapsys`	`I have a br0 that link on eth0 and tun0`
`03:20.54`	`Roses`	liable: made a copy and retried. Didn't help. I get this sub error: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libatk1.0-0' missing
`03:20.58`	`rapsys`	`my qemu use tun0 iface`
`03:21.08`	`rapsys`	`and my modem is connected on eth0 iface`
`03:21.17`	`Roses`	`liable: tried install it, but that didn't work either`
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`03:21.31`	`rapsys`	`I am trying to make my qemued windows access the modem directly`
`03:21.44`	`RvGaTe`	`nn all`
`03:21.45`	`foreyez`	`hello, i'm trying to get rid of services such as: apache, appletalk, sqlserver, etc. how do i do this? tnx`
`03:21.45`	`liable`	`Roses: what did you remove from the file?`
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`03:21.53`	`phillipsjk`	`..with linux acting as a bridge?`
`03:21.54`	`RvGaTe`	`5.21 am.. time to go to bed`
`03:22.08`	`liable`	`Roses: an update doesnt work?`
`03:22.38`	`Roses`	`removed the part about gnome-session, and no, update doesn't work - nothing seems to work :o(`
`03:22.49`	`rapsys`	`phillipsjk: yes`
`03:23.14`	`liable`	`Roses: is that the error you get when you try an update?`
`03:23.26`	`rapsys`	`phillipsjk: I realy don't want install a windows on a real partition`
`03:23.34`	`Roses`	`liable: It seems dpkg or apt-get is totally confused after the kernel panic during the apt-get upgrade`
`03:23.47`	`liable`	`Roses: make a copy of available.old, then rename it available and try`
`03:24.10`	`Roses`	`liable: upgrade gives me: gnome-session: Depends: gnome-panel (>= 1.4.0.2-3) but it is not installed`
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`03:24.21`	`mxmasster`	`hi all`
`03:24.22`	`Roses`	`liable: did that already`
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`03:24.34`	`mxmasster`	`i need help getting mod_perl2 to run on debian`
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`03:24.36`	`phillipsjk`	`rapsys: there is some way of mounting a file. I believe it is called a "loop" filesystem.`
`03:24.42`	`litage`	`apt-cache search gaim` says that 1.2.1-1.4 and 1.4.0-4 are installed, but `apt-get install gaim=1.4.0-4` says it can't find 1.4.0-4. what can i do?
`03:24.44`	`liable`	`Roses: no, I meant update, not upgrade`
`03:24.54`	`SDFH_Linux`	`anyone know of gnome 2.6.12 beta deb repos`
`03:25.06`	`Roses`	`oh sorry`
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`03:25.25`	`liable`	`Roses: looks like your status file might be fuxored too.`
`03:25.31`	`Roses`	`liable: update works finenow`
`03:25.42`	`rapsys`	`phillipsjk: I don't know how to make running a windows and make it access eth0`
`03:26.00`	`Roses`	`liable: it was gone after the crash - so I copied the one from status-old`
`03:26.21`	`liable`	`Roses: so, can you install anything?`
`03:26.26`	`Roses`	`no`
`03:26.41`	`liable`	`Roses: whats the error?`
`03:26.56`	`Roses`	`liable: upgrade gives me: gnome-session: Depends: gnome-panel (>= 1.4.0.2-3) but it is not installed`
`03:27.10`	`liable`	`Roses: no, if you install something.`
`03:27.24`	`Roses`	`liable: same`
`03:27.57`	`Borg^Queen`	`Roses: apt-get install gnome-panel`
`03:27.58`	`liable`	`Roses: try removing the lines in status, for gnome-session`
`03:28.04`	`chealer`	`litage: both versions are installed :??`
`03:28.07`	`rapsys`	`phillipsjk: My problem is that my computed has no cd of linux here, no floppy and windows xp will erase the MBR if I install it`
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`03:28.26`	`Roses`	`Borg^Queen: that gives the same error - cannot install or remove it`
`03:28.30`	`Roses`	`liable: ok trying`
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`03:29.01`	`phillipsjk`	`<dotCOMmie> rapsys: try #openwrt ... they will atleast tell you a proper channel .. if not help you`
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`03:29.17`	`shimano55`	`liable, damn...lol`
`03:29.21`	`rapsys`	`phillipsjk: I am asking them`
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`03:29.28`	`liable`	`shimano55: what happened?`
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`03:29.47`	`KrazyP`	`was having some troubles with apache2, so I did an apt-get remove apache2 and then did apt-get install apache2 ... i also removed /etc/apache2 but when I reinstalled it, i dont have /etc/apache2 now... how can i get that back?`
`03:30.04`	`shimano55`	`liable, ok...so I put in the CD, it boots and gives me terminal..I type grub, and it goes to "grub>`
`03:30.07`	`phillipsjk`	`can you install kp in the emulator, thus overwritting a virtual mbr?`
`03:30.10`	`litage`	`chealer: neither version is installed. apt-cache says that 1.2.1-1.4 and 1.4.0-4 are available`
`03:30.21`	`Roses`	`liable: Thanks - that seemed to help, no error on the dummy install this time - trying to install real things now`
`03:30.23`	`litage`	chealer: but when i just do `apt-get install gaim` it installs 1.2.1-1.4 rather than 1.4.0-4
`03:30.24`	`liable`	`shimano55: ok, is it hda?`
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`03:30.37`	`liable`	`shimano55: and what partition`
`03:30.44`	`shimano55`	`I type install /dev/hda and it says that its an invalid device requested`
`03:31.01`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone know options to make aterm transparent... when I try -tr it just makes background grey doesnt actually go transparent..`
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`03:31.16`	`liable`	`shimano55: what dev and partition.`
`03:31.21`	`shimano55`	`liable, and I try install hda and install hda1`
`03:31.26`	`chealer`	`litage: did you update APT's cache recently?`
`03:31.26`	`shimano55`	`explain...`
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`03:31.32`	`Roses`	`liable: Pfew - seems I have my apt-get back right where it should be ;o)`
`03:31.35`	`litage`	`chealer: yes`
`03:31.39`	`shimano55`	`I just put/dev/hda`
`03:31.44`	`Roses`	`liable: Thanks a ton for the help!`
`03:31.48`	`shimano55`	`and I supposed to do partition too?`
`03:31.49`	`liable`	`shimano55: what partition is your linux`
`03:31.54`	`liable`	`Roses: sweet :)`
`03:32.39`	`shimano55`	`liable, in Partition Magic, it just says "/(*:)`
`03:32.45`	`shimano55`	`" for the name`
`03:32.45`	`chealer`	`litage: are you sure your mirror doesn't have 1.4.0-5?`
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`03:33.32`	`liable`	`shimano55: ok, you had linux installed first?`
`03:33.41`	`shimano55`	`yeah`
`03:33.46`	`shimano55`	`lemme explain more`
`03:33.48`	`shimano55`	`ok`
`03:33.52`	`liable`	`shimano55: by itself?`
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`03:33.56`	`shimano55`	`Kinda`
`03:34.03`	`shimano55`	`when it all started`
`03:34.06`	`shimano55`	`I had Windows`
`03:34.10`	`shimano55`	`and then I installed Linux`
`03:34.21`	`shimano55`	`today the windows got all wacky`
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`03:34.32`	`shimano55`	`do I reformatted that partition`
`03:34.33`	`phyrster`	`which files has controls x sessions of windows managers.`
`03:34.36`	`shimano55`	`so*`
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`03:34.44`	`shimano55`	`and reinstalled Windows`
`03:34.46`	`liable`	`shimano55: ok, when you boot back into the cd type fdisk -l`
`03:34.52`	`shimano55`	`and then couldn't get to Linux`
`03:34.53`	`phyrster`	`I mean in windows display managers, there is a list of installed windows managers.`
`03:35.04`	`liable`	`you will see what parttion / is on.`
`03:35.06`	`phyrster`	`but which file stores that drop down list?`
`03:35.07`	`shimano55`	`in the terminal? or at the boot: thing`
`03:35.27`	`liable`	`shimano55: can I /msg you?`
`03:35.30`	`shimano55`	`yep`
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`03:35.38`	`Roses`	`liable: ya, hehe, the worst thing to lose is the upgrade utility, so I guess the worst time to get a kernel panic is during an upgrade that leaves dpkg as a maniac afterwards`
`03:36.04`	`liable`	`Roses: heh, now you have to fix the panics :P`
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`03:36.18`	`litage`	`why do some packages are versioned like 1.2 and others like 1:1.4-0 ?`
`03:36.27`	`Roses`	`liable: I can do that, but it's nice to have the dpkg beast back in the cage ;o)`
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`03:36.34`	`liable`	`haha`
`03:36.37`	`sanmarcos`	`how can I set my ext3 paritition`
`03:36.38`	`FarrisG`	`how would you cp a list of files (lets say *log) and add a timestamp to the filename before the extension ".log"`
`03:36.39`	`FarrisG`	`?`
`03:36.49`	`sanmarcos`	`how can I set my ext3 partition's label?`
`03:37.20`	`FarrisG`	`sanmarcos: e2label /dev/partition`
`03:38.34`	`sanmarcos`	`FarrisG: what about FAT/NTFS?`
`03:38.44`	`phillipsjk`	`my question is about an isa sound card rescued from scrap: Why would it work in quake, but have choppy sound in most x11 programs (excluding quake)`
`03:38.58`	`FarrisG`	`sanmarcos: Got me. "Windows Disk Management"?`
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`03:39.20`	`chealer`	`!tell litage about epoch`
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`03:39.45`	`FarrisG`	`sanmarcos: apt-get install ntfstools && man ntfslabel`
`03:39.48`	`sanmarcos`	`FarrisG: by the way, do I need to restart for linux to see the changes?... HAL doesnt seem to pick it up on the fly`
`03:39.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone know options to make aterm transparent... when I try -tr it just makes background grey doesnt actually go transparent..`
`03:39.53`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone ^?`
`03:39.59`	`FarrisG`	`sanmarcos: I don't think so`
`03:40.44`	`sanmarcos`	`FarrisG: is there another way than e2label to check the label?`
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`03:41.41`	`FarrisG`	`sanmarcos: dunno`
`03:41.42`	`jkern`	`TwistedEmotions, aterm -tr`
`03:42.13`	`TwistedEmotions`	`jkern: ;) Just needed to set bg first ;) Works..`
`03:42.20`	`jkern`	`TwistedEmotions, should do it`
`03:42.45`	`TwistedEmotions`	`jkern: How do I make text darker?`
`03:42.51`	`phillipsjk`	`TwistedEmotions: on my livecd (knoppix), eterm cheats and uses the root window as a background (omiting buried windows from other prgrams).`
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`03:43.17`	`jkern`	`TwistedEmotions, aterm -fg black`
`03:43.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`jkern: thanks`
`03:43.26`	`TwistedEmotions`	`;)`
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`03:44.43`	`obscuresoul`	`hi`
`03:44.54`	`Lanix`	`do i have to mount cd on debian i meen a dvd cd ?`
`03:45.03`	`Lanix`	`to watch a movie`
`03:45.12`	`sanmarcos`	`Laney: yes, you need to access the data`
`03:45.19`	`Wyzard`	`phillipsjk: That pseudo-transparency is the best that's possible without using compositing`
`03:46.05`	`sanmarcos`	`compositing is amazing.. but if you have a slow video card.. anything older than a geforce2.. foirget about it`
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`03:46.15`	`sanmarcos`	`there is no point in enabling it.. extremely slow`
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`03:46.44`	`Wyzard`	`And apps don't really utilize it yet`
`03:47.02`	`Wyzard`	`There's transset and not much else`
`03:47.04`	`sanmarcos`	`some apps, like skippy-xd, metacity I think, next kwin do`
`03:47.08`	`sanmarcos`	`transset and xcompmgr`
`03:47.16`	`liable`	`Roses: you might need to run install on gnome-session again to get it back in status file..`
`03:47.25`	`sanmarcos`	`you could set transparency, shadows, fade in out, minimze effects like os x`
`03:47.26`	`Wyzard`	`GTK 2.8 will be able to utilize it much better, I believe`
`03:47.34`	`sanmarcos`	`etc.. but you need a good video card`
`03:47.45`	`phillipsjk`	`is a virge fash enough? ;)`
`03:47.48`	`sanmarcos`	`gtk 2.8 will include cairo..`
`03:47.59`	`phillipsjk`	`fast`
`03:48.07`	`Wyzard`	`yep`
`03:48.20`	`sanmarcos`	`on my riva tnt 16mb, it runs, ok, but it has medium lag.. like you cant drag something withouth noticing the lag..`
`03:48.31`	`Wyzard`	`Cairo plus compositing will basically give GTK the visual capabilities of Aqua`
`03:48.56`	`sanmarcos`	`I thought cairo was just for rendering SVG's`
`03:49.10`	`Wyzard`	`nope... it's a general-purpose vector drawing library`
`03:49.12`	`sanmarcos`	`GTK needs to work on speed improvements..`
`03:49.19`	`Wyzard`	`like PostScript, but with alpha support`
`03:49.24`	`sanmarcos`	`Wyzard: oh so like you can draw special buttons and stuff?`
`03:49.29`	`Wyzard`	`yeah`
`03:49.31`	`obscuresoul`	`on fhs is mentioned that /var/lib contains state information!! i'm not understanding what "state information" means! does anybody knows?`
`03:49.33`	`sanmarcos`	`cool`
`03:49.38`	`Wyzard`	`Hang on, lemme find the link`
`03:49.50`	`sanmarcos`	`Cairo is very young though..`
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`03:50.18`	`sanmarcos`	`gtk 2.8 is coming up soon.. GNOME has been proggresing a lot lately.. HAL, Dbus.. etc`
`03:50.26`	`sanmarcos`	`all freedesktop standard techonologies.`
`03:51.40`	`Wyzard`	`http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2005-June/008356.html might help with the performance problems in compositing, btw`
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`03:52.36`	`Wyzard`	`Grr... Slashdot's search feature is nearly useless`
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`03:53.42`	`foreyez`	`my x windows only lets me have 60hz, does someone know how i can change this? (i have a pretty new nvidia geforce)`
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`03:54.20`	`Wyzard`	`sanmarcos: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xrendering`
`03:54.25`	`mrgenixus`	`if I wanted to remove all of my kernels and install a new one, how would I do that?`
`03:54.30`	`arango`	`will a micro-ATX mobo fit an ATX case ?`
`03:54.31`	`Wyzard`	`sanmarcos: Read that, then scroll back to the top and follow the link in the first paragraph`
`03:54.40`	`mrgenixus`	`arango: yes`
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`03:54.57`	`Roses`	`liable: I reinstalled gnome-session, and this time it went smooth ;o)`
`03:54.57`	`arango`	`mrgenixus: and how about viceversa ?`
`03:55.01`	`sanmarcos`	`Wyzard: thanks, but has this been already implemented?`
`03:55.05`	`mrgenixus`	`arango: no`
`03:55.05`	`liable`	`Roses: cool :)`
`03:55.22`	`mrgenixus`	`arango: a micro-atx case is smaller, e.g it will not fit the larger board`
`03:55.40`	`mrgenixus`	`conversly, micro-atx conforms to atx, thus i can be mounted in a larger case`
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`03:55.54`	`mrgenixus`	`is there a way to see which kernels are installed?`
`03:55.58`	`arango`	`mrgenixus: do both type of boards have the screws in the same position or what ?`
`03:56.02`	`Wyzard`	`sanmarcos: It's being actively worked on -- follow the link in the first paragraph and see the screenshots and videos there`
`03:56.05`	`WiFiTux`	`how can I smartly use deborphan and make him delete the packages for me? I have like 50 orphans`
`03:56.23`	`phillipsjk`	`foreyez: right click desktop> display properties > advanced button > adapter tab, select choice from drop-down list.`
`03:56.24`	`sanmarcos`	`Wyzard: yeah, metacity is getting a lot of compositing work..`
`03:56.48`	`dave007`	`Hi, I have a dell inspiron 6000 with the intel graphics card, when I try to install the drivers from intel I get an error saying that It requires the latest modules, and Im using 2.6.12.2, does anyone know what the problem could be?`
`03:56.58`	`phillipsjk`	`sorry my mistake :(`
`03:57.09`	`arango`	`mrgenixus: thanks`
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`03:59.04`	`shimano55`	`liable, one more question...Where can I configure grub to give me more time to pick an OS and stuff?`
`03:59.10`	`phillipsjk`	`foreyez: Refresh rates are limited by what linux (or x) was told your monitor capabilities are.`
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`03:59.32`	`foreyez`	`phillipsjk, alright... how do i change this?`
`03:59.57`	`mrgenixus`	`so how do I list installed packages`
`04:00.04`	`liable`	`shimano55: in the menu.lst I thibk it is.`
`04:00.24`	`shimano55`	`and where is that? lol`
`04:00.37`	`liable`	`shimano55: /boot/grub/menu.lst`
`04:00.41`	`shimano55`	`ok`
`04:00.42`	`shimano55`	`thanks`
`04:00.43`	`phillipsjk`	`most likely with the x setup program; there are several.`
`04:01.14`	`foreyez`	`phillipsjk, how do i run the setup program?`
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`04:02.34`	`chealer`	`mrgenixus: dpkg -l\|grep ii, basically`
`04:02.37`	`foreyez`	`anybody knows how to make xwindows work with nvidia geforce, my eyes are dying on this 60hz.... please!`
`04:02.38`	`foreyez`	`?`
`04:02.42`	`chealer`	`!x windows`
`04:02.43`	`dpkg`	`It's X dammit! A) The X Window System. B) X`
`04:02.45`	`phillipsjk`	`I don't know which one you are using. I believe the settings set by the old versions af the programs are igroned by the new version of x.`
`04:03.02`	`chealer`	`foreyez: what's not working?`
`04:03.14`	`foreyez`	`chealer, all i get is "60hz" in refresh rates...`
`04:03.35`	`zinx`	`foreyez: what kind of monitor?`
`04:03.36`	`foreyez`	`chealer, i tried running xf86config but it tells me that "cannot write to file" when it ends`
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`04:03.41`	`foreyez`	`zinx, 19" dell...`
`04:03.47`	`zinx`	`foreyez: CRT or LCD?`
`04:03.50`	`foreyez`	`zinx, crt`
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`04:04.01`	`chealer`	`!tell foreyez about xf86config`
`04:04.28`	`foreyez`	`chealer, i ran xf86config... but it cannot write to file, do i need to be in a certain directory as root?`
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`04:05.03`	`chealer`	`foreyez: read what dpkg told you : "xf86config is a good way to break Debian's X configuration. If you've not done it, ask me about "troubleshooting x". If you have, ask me about "x md5sum"."`
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`04:05.46`	`foreyez`	`yeah, i saw what he told me, did you see what i told you back? :)`
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`04:06.41`	`wishie[work]`	`anyone know where i can get the sk98lin.diff file that stops the VPD errors displaying ?`
`04:07.28`	`chealer`	`foreyez: are you talking about "but it cannot write to file, do i need to be in a certain directory as root?"?`
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`04:07.38`	`foreyez`	`yezz`
`04:08.00`	`chealer`	`foreyez: the factoid dpkg sent you tells you to not use xf86config to configure X`
`04:08.57`	`foreyez`	`chealer, oops. okay`
`04:09.16`	`foreyez`	`chealer, "break" is kinda ambiguous`
`04:09.50`	`chealer`	`foreyez: I'm not natively English-speaking. it seemed obvious to me`
`04:10.17`	`foreyez`	`chealer, yer cool`
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`04:10.31`	`secher`	`mbrotman you around?`
`04:10.38`	`secher`	`abrotman, you around?`
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`04:11.54`	`wishie`	`any problems with compiling a kernel with gcc 4.0.x ? or everything builds as it should ?`
`04:12.22`	`doleyb`	`wishie: that was still nonworking very recently.`
`04:13.01`	`wishie`	`so how do i tell linux to compile it using another GCC version ?`
`04:13.32`	`osama`	`hi, i need to test uml on a server and need to run 20 instances of UML, but wanted to write a script so that i will open 20 terminal and then the script will go through each terminal and puts in the password and everything, how do i write this script? thanks for the help`
`04:14.01`	`liable`	`wow, flightgear gives your cpu a workout!`
`04:14.36`	`stew`	`osama: use sudo so you don't have to script the passwords`
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`04:15.46`	`osama`	`stew: what is sudo? like a program?`
`04:15.52`	`stew`	`!sudo`
`04:15.52`	`dpkg`	`[sudo] (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html`
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`04:16.56`	`osama`	`stew: r u suggesting that i use sudo instead of uml?`
`04:17.02`	`deadcat`	`osama: no its an AOL term`
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`04:17.18`	`stew`	`osama: no, sudo to do whatever you were going to do that was going to require a password`
`04:17.27`	`stew`	`osama: what password needs to be typed into the xterms?`
`04:18.10`	`osama`	`stew: login and password for the uml need to be put int`
`04:18.24`	`secher`	`!sudo`
`04:18.24`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html`
`04:18.34`	`stew`	`osama: login to the host system or the hosted system?`
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`04:19.43`	`osama`	`stew: to the host system actually, so i dont need to put in the login for uml`
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`04:22.06`	`osama`	`alright thx for the helop`
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`04:22.27`	`k3`	`Hello, any recommendations on USB Flash Drive (with MP3 funcionality) which can be used on WinXP, 2000 & Linux without installing any drivers..`
`04:23.04`	`deadcat`	`k3: most of them works. mount them as a regular usb flash drive`
`04:23.36`	`sanmarcos`	`k3: a lot of Mp3 mplayes are usb mass storage`
`04:23.44`	`sanmarcos`	`k3: samsung, irivers I think also too`
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`04:24.08`	`sanmarcos`	`k3: its just a matter of compiling usb mass storage + sscsi emu to the kernel.. and it works out of the box.. there are a few sync problems, but nothing bad`
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`04:24.19`	`sanmarcos`	`k3: and a recomendation, dont buy anything Samsung..they suck`
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`04:24.45`	`foreyez`	`chealer, hey it works... muchos gracias!`
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`04:25.21`	`foreyez`	`also, does anyone know how i can remove services such as 'appletalk, apache, sqlserver, etc' ?`
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`04:25.38`	`sanmarcos`	`foreyez: from your system, or from init?`
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`04:25.50`	`foreyez`	`sanmarcos, hmmm... from init`
`04:25.51`	`sanmarcos`	`foreyez: by the way, its muchas, gracias is femenine`
`04:25.59`	`foreyez`	`sanmarcos, oops ;)`
`04:26.01`	`sanmarcos`	`foreyez: apt-get install rcconf`
`04:26.23`	`stew`	`it certainly is feminine most of the time for me`
`04:27.08`	`foreyez`	`sanmarcos, thanks`
`04:27.15`	`sanmarcos`	`welcome`
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`04:28.38`	`yuacht`	`when will there be multi-arch?`
`04:28.44`	`sanmarcos`	`yuacht: ?`
`04:28.46`	`yuacht`	`like suse's?`
`04:28.50`	`sanmarcos`	`yuacht: debian supports eleven archs`
`04:28.55`	`sanmarcos`	`or around that number`
`04:28.56`	`sanmarcos`	`way too much`
`04:29.05`	`sanmarcos`	`it even slows development.`
`04:29.15`	`deadcat`	`!tell sanmarcos about enter`
`04:29.31`	`yuacht`	`yes, but i mean like suse has it implemented, so you can run 32-bit only software on 64bit distro without 32-bit chroot`
`04:29.34`	`deadcat`	`yuacht: define mult-arch`
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`04:29.44`	`secher`	`am I the only one to have read all of the fortune files consecutively?`
`04:30.53`	`Phated`	`Unlikely.`
`04:31.19`	`secher`	`what is an arch, and why does too many of them slow development?`
`04:31.25`	`defcon8`	`defcon8@debian:~$ fortune`
`04:31.25`	`defcon8`	`Never laugh at live dragons.`
`04:31.25`	`defcon8`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:31.59`	`deadcat`	`thats lame`
`04:32.01`	`cheal`	`yuacht: that thread was on dwn recently; most likely the best info you can get. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/07/msg00232.html`
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`04:34.16`	`jkaufman`	`night guys`
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`04:36.32`	`liable`	`hmm, my /tmp directoryy has wrong perms.. had to chmod to get man to work.`
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`04:38.12`	`secher`	`what's another name for a PIM? I'm trying to find a decent one. Suggestions as to which PIM is the "best" are welcome.`
`04:39.01`	`phillipsjk`	`the "black book" is classic.`
`04:39.07`	`PandaKun`	`yo`
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`04:39.11`	`solemn-laptop`	`what package do i need from apt to use ProxyPass on apache2?`
`04:39.13`	`PandaKun`	`oyu guys know why i cant connect to anything with localhost?`
`04:39.25`	`PandaKun`	`localhost wont work i gotta use my wan ip o.o`
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`04:39.58`	`secher`	`phillipsjk: is that a GNU/Debian package?`
`04:40.11`	`solemn-laptop`	`what package do i need from apt to use ProxyPass on apache2?`
`04:40.57`	`secher`	`phillipsjk: got it. apt-cache search is your friend.`
`04:41.00`	`secher`	`<grin>`
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`04:41.07`	`deadcat`	`solemn-laptop: have you apt-cache search proxy pass?`
`04:41.14`	`phillipsjk`	`no, a physcal object, likely found in a stationary store. (I was noly half-joking; computers are overrated.)`
`04:41.19`	`glick`	`excuse me does anyone know how to get into the login page of linksys wireless routers?`
`04:41.23`	`solemn-laptop`	`i dont know what packege it is`
`04:41.27`	`solemn-laptop`	`list is huge`
`04:41.29`	`glick`	`i thought it was the standard 192.168.0.1`
`04:41.29`	`sanmarcos`	`PandaKun: see /etc/hosts`
`04:41.35`	`glick`	`but apparently its not working`
`04:41.37`	`deadcat`	`glick: try .1.1`
`04:42.04`	`deadcat`	`glick: if that dont work. reset it. unless you're breaking into someone else's router, then you on your own`
`04:42.18`	`glick`	`great it works thanks`
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`04:43.33`	`PandaKun`	`ok`
`04:43.35`	`PandaKun`	`what else sanmarcos?`
`04:43.43`	`oXYnary`	`Hello, any chance to help a noob debian user with a ssh and new user directory problem?`
`04:43.55`	`doleyb`	`secher: kde has a pim, "kontact"`
`04:44.06`	`PandaKun`	`hmm?`
`04:44.22`	`secher`	`philliipsjk: yes, however, I can't avoid losing just about everything, I've already lost a couple of palm pilot type toys, and untold "notebooks", but I have my laptop with me everywhere I go, it's too big to lose, hence the need. I agree with you however, if there's an analog solution that is better suited, use it and not the computer. I like to call that attitude "neo-luddite".`
`04:44.39`	`secher`	`doleyb: will check, thanks.`
`04:44.52`	`doleyb`	`secher: and of course for gnome there is "evolution"`
`04:45.12`	`narg`	`a = l in ROTS13, no?`
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`04:45.14`	`secher`	`Wow, that was alot of commas, and one heck of a run-on, sheesh.`
`04:45.46`	`secher`	`doleyb: evolution is one of those "all encompassing" apps, iirc?`
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`04:46.16`	`sanmarcos`	`PandaKun: I already told you, your problem most probably lies there..`
`04:46.18`	`doleyb`	`secher: well, it also does email if thats what you mean. I don't think its really much beyond addresses + email + rss.`
`04:46.23`	`PandaKun`	`i see localhost in thre san`
`04:46.24`	`sanmarcos`	`PandaKun: just add a localhost entry`
`04:46.38`	`PandaKun`	`127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost andmyotherhostshit`
`04:46.40`	`PandaKun`	`i did look`
`04:46.46`	`PandaKun`	`theres alrady one`
`04:46.57`	`doleyb`	`secher: you could say that kontact, evolution, and microsoft outlook all have similar functionality range.`
`04:47.30`	`sanmarcos`	`evolution is used by the bolivian "drug lord" evo morales`
`04:47.39`	`sanmarcos`	`PandaKun: try ping localhost`
`04:47.56`	`PandaKun`	`64 bytes from localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64`
`04:47.58`	`PandaKun`	`lol`
`04:48.12`	`PandaKun`	`so its working?`
`04:48.17`	`PandaKun`	`must be MySQL then? o.o`
`04:48.39`	`sanmarcos`	`mysql doenst listen for external connections`
`04:48.43`	`sanmarcos`	`by default on debian`
`04:48.55`	`PandaKun`	`ah`
`04:48.59`	`PandaKun`	`i keep getting a too many connection error`
`04:49.01`	`sanmarcos`	`edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf (I believe the first option), also check #mysql, and their docs`
`04:49.04`	`PandaKun`	`trying something`
`04:49.05`	`PandaKun`	`eah`
`04:49.07`	`secher`	`doleyb: I may have to try evolution, but I wish Google'd develop something like that, especially if they'd guarantee no snooping into your lists.. at this point I might as well build a table in mysql.`
`04:49.08`	`PandaKun`	`i removed #bind`
`04:49.12`	`PandaKun`	`the bind-address`
`04:49.39`	`doleyb`	`secher: i used berkleydb before.`
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`04:52.27`	`doleyb`	`secher: did you already try gmail's contact list and find it insufficient?`
`04:53.47`	`sadfgg`	`How can I send a process signal to a program (lets say Nautilus) to make it generate the defalut settingfiles in ~/?`
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`04:54.14`	`sadfgg`	`without open it from xfree86`
`04:54.43`	`secher`	`I'm an idiot.. it's fine, to say the least..`
`04:54.54`	`secher`	`apt botsmite secher`
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`04:56.58`	`secher`	`maydayjay, is that anything like an SOSbird?`
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`04:57.49`	`kerneld`	`Anyone have sarge on an smp box with 2.6 kernel and running snmpd? Thing locks up on me, still invistigating it.`
`04:57.51`	`osama`	`i needed to put in a command simutanously into 20 terminals to test UML, is it possibel to do this with sudo?`
`04:58.21`	`kerneld`	`osama: possibly with screen`
`04:58.28`	`doleyb`	`osama: do they have to be _existing_ terminals? why not just start 20 terms with the commands already.`
`04:58.34`	`Shimei`	`The description on the apmd package claims that adding "apm=on" will enable APM on Debian kernels (I'm using 2.6.11-1-686), but when I run apmd it claims there's no APM support. Any idea what's wrong? I've added the line append="apm=on" in lilo.conf too.`
`04:58.52`	`kerneld`	`osama: I would use expect`
`04:58.59`	`kerneld`	`perl module`
`04:59.15`	`osama`	`kerneld: i was thinking of writing a script to do the job`
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`04:59.20`	`osama`	`but not sure how to do that`
`04:59.40`	`osama`	`!expect`
`04:59.44`	`kerneld`	`osama: Expect should be pretty good, won't be simultaneous, but pretty close to it`
`04:59.58`	`kerneld`	`osama: Just a sec, let me get a small script.`
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`05:03.34`	`osama`	`msg /_sss`
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`05:05.44`	`osama`	`kerneld: any idea where i can get expect from`
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`05:06.12`	`kerneld`	`osama: http://pastebin.ca/19776`
`05:06.21`	`kerneld`	`libexpect-perl I think`
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`05:09.46`	`kerneld`	`osama: You could make a loop that itterates through all the hosts or commands you want to spawn, executes them , then when you want to test your instuction send it to all the instances`
`05:11.05`	`osama`	`kerneld: how does this script know to go through 20 terms?`
`05:11.20`	`kerneld`	`it doesn't`
`05:11.33`	`kerneld`	`its just a sample, you will need to make it do what you want`
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`05:13.27`	`kerneld`	`it spawns a telnet, logins in, runs another command (en) which needs another password, then it puts it in interactive mode, like screen`
`05:14.00`	`kerneld`	`you prb don't need the last part`
`05:14.07`	`osama`	`kerneld: i understand the sample script but have no clue on how to make it go through different terms`
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`05:15.05`	`kerneld`	`you need a list of terms, or if they are all the same, a count to span, and instead of $rmote, maybe my @remote, then $remote[$i] = ....`
`05:15.36`	`sadfgg`	`kerneld, How can make X program (without running X server) generate setting files in ~/ (I want to edit the files with a script)?`
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`05:16.52`	`osama`	`kerneld: does the spawn look for the title in the window?`
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`05:16.57`	`kerneld`	`sadfgg: Depends on the prog, set DISPLAY to a system running an X server, with tcp enabled, and that host autorized`
`05:18.10`	`kerneld`	`osama: ? It forks, and executes the first arg, with the rest of argv set to the contents of the second arg`
`05:20.36`	`sadfgg`	`kerneld, intresting. Can you pls give me an example to generate setting files for "Nautilus" in a script?`
`05:20.57`	`sadfgg`	`kerneld, or tell me what I should looking for`
`05:21.07`	`PandaKun`	`yo`
`05:21.09`	`PandaKun`	`what was that command?`
`05:21.11`	`PandaKun`	`rc.d/init.d?`
`05:21.14`	`PandaKun`	`it was like for service`
`05:21.17`	`PandaKun`	`service start apache`
`05:21.44`	`osama`	`kerneld: do i need to have perl setup in order use this perl script?`
`05:21.46`	`Scorpaen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:22.04`	`PandaKun`	`checks`
`05:22.12`	`PandaKun`	`didnt owrk`
`05:22.16`	`Scorpaen`	`apache2`
`05:22.16`	`jm_`	`man invoke-rc.d`
`05:22.19`	`PandaKun`	`INVOKE`
`05:22.20`	`PandaKun`	`THERE wE GO`
`05:22.22`	`Scorpaen`	`use tab completion`
`05:22.48`	`PandaKun`	`hmm`
`05:22.50`	`PandaKun`	`nothing happen`
`05:22.57`	`PandaKun`	`invoke-rc.d apache start`
`05:23.02`	`jm_`	`return your computer to the store`
`05:23.19`	`PandaKun`	`?`
`05:23.24`	`PandaKun`	`im running at a data center o.O`
`05:23.31`	`sadfgg`	`kerneld, set DISPLAY, what do you mean by that, this is really important to me so I be glad if you answer me`
`05:23.33`	`PandaKun`	`hmm`
`05:23.35`	`PandaKun`	`im using a inetd`
`05:24.08`	`jm_`	`apache has logfiles, then there's ps command`
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`05:25.12`	`nick23`	`Damned Windows XP overwrote grub on the boot sector. I know I can do grub-install /dev/hda but how do I get into the linux partitions? I have a Debian netinstaller CD and all I can do is linux or expert26...`
`05:26.20`	`Valen`	`nick23, start the cd let it go far enough that it loads your disk drivers etc`
`05:26.43`	`Valen`	`then you can use the console`
`05:27.02`	`Valen`	`or a rescue floppy or some such`
`05:27.52`	`nick23`	`okay ahh that explains why /dev/hda1 wasn't found - lack of drivers..sigh`
`05:28.43`	`osama`	`kerneld: all i need to do is chmod 755 the script to run it right? i dont need to have perl installed or anything right`
`05:32.08`	`kerneld`	`osama: http://pastebin.ca/19777`
`05:32.16`	`kerneld`	`Try that...`
`05:32.25`	`kerneld`	`you need to install libexpect-perl`
`05:32.35`	`kerneld`	`which needs perl and some other stuff`
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`05:32.42`	`Valen`	`nick23, you should try it with a scsi hard disk that mkinitrd tries to load the wrong module for`
`05:33.07`	`glick`	`hey "linksys123" sounds like a default ssid right?`
`05:33.19`	`deadcat`	`glick: no. linksys is default`
`05:33.30`	`kerneld`	`sadfgg: Either have an Xserver running somewhere which has the host you want to run the X client on authorized, or run an Xvnc session, and connect with vncviewer`
`05:33.35`	`glick`	`cause i set up this router to not broadcast its ssid`
`05:33.49`	`glick`	`and im trying to help my bro set up a wireless ps2 adapter`
`05:33.56`	`glick`	`deadcat, should it be on managed or adhoc?`
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`05:34.17`	`deadcat`	`glick: managed`
`05:34.19`	`kerneld`	`sadfgg: When you work out which one works for you, on the host you want to run the app on, export DISPLAY=someip:somedisplay(Probably 0)`
`05:34.26`	`kerneld`	`then run the app`
`05:34.42`	`glick`	`deadcat, adhoc or infrastructure`
`05:35.00`	`deadcat`	`glick: managed == infr... adhoc == adhoc`
`05:35.04`	`glick`	`hehe ok`
`05:35.08`	`sadfgg`	`hmm, I don't want to work with VNC in this project`
`05:35.14`	`sadfgg`	`kerneld, hmm, I don't want to work with VNC in this project`
`05:35.21`	`sadfgg`	`kerneld, but thanks for the idea`
`05:36.22`	`glick`	`i met this rediculously hot chick today`
`05:36.34`	`glick`	`think id be too soon if i called her tomorrow night for a date this weekend`
`05:36.34`	`glick`	`?`
`05:36.52`	`Guerin`	`glick: do you think she'd be bluediculously good in bed?`
`05:36.57`	`glick`	`i saw her and just went up to her and was like "hey baby whats your name"`
`05:36.59`	`nick23`	`Valen: this is confusing.../sbin/grub won't work because it's complaining /sbin/grub doesn't exist? I mounted /dev/hda2 (one of the partitions) as /2`
`05:37.12`	`glick`	`Guerin, ummm yes, but she doesnt look like a pro`
`05:37.19`	`liable`	`glick: go for it!`
`05:37.24`	`Guerin`	`whooooosh`
`05:37.30`	`glick`	`she looks like a hot, good girl, girl-next-door type girl`
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`05:37.39`	`osama`	`kerneld: so $timeout is number of milliseconds it waits for not exactly sure what "$remote[$i]->expect($timeout, '-re', '.*\$ ');" does,`
`05:37.49`	`borco`	`hi`
`05:38.12`	`Guerin`	`!rediculous`
`05:38.12`	`dpkg`	`[rediculous] ridiculous`
`05:38.26`	`deadcat`	`glick: no ask her now or she be fucking some guy by tomorrow`
`05:38.43`	`glick`	`deadcat, nah she doesnt seem like that type of girl, and if she is i wouldnt want that type of girl`
`05:39.29`	`deadcat`	`glick: that shows how much you know girls then. (=.. i am not saying i know her, but ...`
`05:40.01`	`Guerin`	`dpkg, no, rediculous is <reply> Ok, if you're too yelliterate to lurple how to spell simple woranges without using colours to help, we can play thack game too.`
`05:40.02`	`dpkg`	`okay, Guerin`
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`05:40.31`	`glick`	`deadcat, im attracted to girls that seem more reserved/shy and arnt attention whores (i.e. chicks that were short short short skirts that you can see nearly everything cause they need to be the center of attention in a roomful of guys)`
`05:40.35`	`borco`	`i am creating a local mirror of sid with debmirror. it worked very nicely till recently (arround 2-5 days ago). now it reports things like "dists/unstable/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages failed md5sum check". any idea what changed?`
`05:40.52`	`Guerin`	`glick: can we take this to #whogivesafuckaboutyourimaginarylovelife?`
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`05:41.06`	`deadcat`	`glick: good luck`
`05:41.13`	`glick`	`Guerin, when i go there no one is there :(`
`05:41.22`	`Guerin`	`glick: this should tell you something`
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`05:41.58`	`glick`	`thanks deadcat :)`
`05:42.23`	`osama`	`kerneld: thanks for the help, will try to get this script working if not i'll be here tmw again :)`
`05:42.58`	`deadcat`	`glick: good luck as in you dont have a chance.. remember. you are a geek. (=.. unless you are good looking... are you?`
`05:43.05`	`Guerin`	`bah`
`05:43.08`	`glick`	`deadcat, i think i am`
`05:43.18`	`deadcat`	`glick: cool.`
`05:43.19`	`glick`	`deadcat, im a geek, but im not A geek`
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`05:43.31`	`Guerin`	`!date glick and deadcat`
`05:43.37`	`glick`	`i go out, i wear blazers and sip martinis`
`05:43.38`	`Guerin`	`nice`
`05:43.52`	`Guerin`	`glick: that makes you a pretentious twat, not good looking`
`05:43.57`	`deadcat`	`glick: what are you? james bond?`
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`05:44.11`	`glick`	`deadcat, no, james bond is me`
`05:44.34`	`glick`	`Guerin, no it means that i have a social life and linux is not my girl friend or my lover`
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`05:44.45`	`deadcat`	`glick: to settle this. show us a picture of you and "I" will judge.`
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`05:45.11`	`Guerin`	`glick: no, it doesn't mean that at all.`
`05:45.30`	`Link_X`	`anybody speak spanish?`
`05:45.37`	`deadcat`	`!es`
`05:45.37`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`05:45.57`	`Link_X`	`thank you`
`05:46.02`	`Guerin`	`glick: i know this; i've made more martinis than you've ever dreamed about, and I know the kinds of people who go out wearing blazers to drink them better than you might think.`
`05:46.06`	`Guerin`	`oops`
`05:46.11`	`Guerin`	`'sip', not drink`
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`05:46.24`	`deadcat`	`Guerin: HAHAHAHA..`
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`05:46.47`	`glick`	`Guerin, ummm it means i like to dress classy and go out to classy places for cocktails?`
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`05:47.29`	`Guerin`	`glick: no, it means that's what you THINK`
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`05:47.33`	`glick`	`deadcat, sure ill show you a pic`
`05:47.40`	`deadcat`	`glick: cool.`
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`05:50.23`	`glick`	`http://dunx1.irt.drexel.edu/~deb32/00014.jpg`
`05:50.55`	`deadcat`	`big picture`
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`05:51.32`	`glick`	`sorry`
`05:51.35`	`Guerin`	`hahah`
`05:51.38`	`deadcat`	`glick: what school is that?`
`05:51.43`	`glick`	`drexel university`
`05:51.50`	`deadcat`	`ya. where at`
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`05:51.57`	`glick`	`philadelphia`
`05:52.10`	`DavidGilmour`	`hi there... could use a little help from anyone...`
`05:52.17`	`Guerin`	`DavidGilmour: details`
`05:52.27`	`deadcat`	`DavidGilmour: use grub`
`05:52.33`	`deadcat`	`lilo dont work`
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`05:52.45`	`deadcat`	`glick: its still loading..`
`05:53.33`	`DavidGilmour`	`guerin: i'm installing debian via boot disc, cause my cd doesnt have the boot on it`
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`05:53.54`	`Guerin`	`why doesn't it?`
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`05:54.15`	`deadcat`	`glick: good looking man. (=`
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`05:54.42`	`DavidGilmour`	`cause the crazy f... that gave it to man must've forgot`
`05:54.44`	`jm_`	`I almost thought I'm looking at Pete Sampras`
`05:55.00`	`DavidGilmour`	`to me`
`05:55.33`	`DavidGilmour`	`anyway, i made the boot disk with the winraw, right...`
`05:56.13`	`DavidGilmour`	`it boots ok...but when the times to check the cd driver disk so i can access the instalation cd, i says "no kernel modules found"`
`05:56.18`	`glick`	`deadcat, you think so?`
`05:56.29`	`glick`	`or are you being sarcastic?`
`05:56.31`	`Guerin`	`DavidGilmour: run the self-test over it`
`05:56.45`	`deadcat`	`glick: no. i think thats like average looking`
`05:56.55`	`glick`	`heh`
`05:56.59`	`Guerin`	`glick: your ego is so dependent on approval from #debian?`
`05:57.01`	`Guerin`	`hahaha`
`05:57.05`	`glick`	`not at all`
`05:57.09`	`Guerin`	`http://amihotornot.com`
`05:57.09`	`glick`	`hehe`
`05:57.09`	`deadcat`	`Guerin: not #debian. ME (=`
`05:57.17`	`glick`	`but deadcat means alot`
`05:57.18`	`glick`	`to me`
`05:57.20`	`glick`	`ALOT`
`05:57.25`	`glick`	`i really love him`
`05:57.25`	`Guerin`	`!alot`
`05:57.25`	`dpkg`	`[alot] raping the English language`
`05:57.37`	`glick`	`we go way back`
`05:57.49`	`liable`	`DavidGilmour: you need the ide floppy I think.`
`05:57.58`	`deadcat`	`hahaha. i dont remember that. you must have gotten me drunk or something`
`05:58.02`	`glick`	`actually my ego rapes my super ego`
`05:58.05`	`liable`	`or whatever it is`
`05:58.08`	`DavidGilmour`	`it's an image called cd-drivers.img`
`05:58.12`	`glick`	`deadcat, yeah i did`
`05:58.27`	`Guerin`	`dpkg, no, alot is <reply> Yeah, I'd like to alot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think a lot is one word.`
`05:58.29`	`dpkg`	`okay, Guerin`
`05:58.29`	`liable`	`DavidGilmour: oh, you got it?`
`05:58.39`	`DavidGilmour`	`liable, yep`
`05:58.51`	`jm_`	`heh nice one`
`05:59.05`	`Guerin`	`i should really spell allot properly`
`05:59.18`	`Guerin`	`some other dumb motherfuckers might think it's misspelt not on purpose`
`05:59.35`	`Guerin`	`dpkg, alot =~ s/alot/allot/`
`05:59.35`	`dpkg`	`Guerin: OK`
`05:59.36`	`liable`	`or stop being such a goddamn grammer nazi! :P`
`05:59.46`	`DavidGilmour`	`i built the disk several times to asure it was ok...and still it doesnt find my cd rom`
`05:59.51`	`ImTheOne`	`hello, I'm thinking about installing Debian on my laptop, I'm looking for someone who could answer my basic (read: silly) questions... :)`
`06:00.04`	`Guerin`	`ImTheOne: speak and ye may be answered`
`06:00.27`	`Guerin`	`!grammer`
`06:00.27`	`dpkg`	`it's grammar, dammit, unless you're talking about Kelsey. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=grammer`
`06:00.48`	`mwilson`	`hrm`
`06:00.59`	`Guerin`	`liable: please hand in your middle school graduation certificate`
`06:01.16`	`Guerin`	`or whatever they have in Queenland`
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`06:01.42`	`ImTheOne`	`I'm an XP user and I don't like this OS at all, I was using bash, but I don;t know how to install Debian, what I should download...`
`06:01.56`	`Guerin`	`!ig`
`06:01.56`	`dpkg`	`well, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays.`
`06:02.08`	`DavidGilmour`	`could anyone gime a hand on pvt, please?`
`06:02.10`	`deadcat`	`weird. most of the softwares showcased at linuxworldexpo are not in debian repo when they claim to be opensource...`
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`06:02.18`	`Guerin`	`!in private`
`06:02.34`	`Guerin`	`bah`
`06:03.29`	`doleyb`	`Is there a reliable command to delete all mp3 in a directory?`
`06:03.53`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: depends on your definition of reliable`
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`06:04.16`	`doleyb`	`nonix4: i mean it should work with all valid unix filenames. including starting with -`
`06:04.18`	`ImTheOne`	`and which architecture should I choose?`
`06:04.31`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: how about subdirectories?`
`06:04.31`	`glick`	`doleyb, mmmm rm *.mp3 ?`
`06:04.33`	`sep`	`doleyb, rm -rf /dir, will remove every mp3 in that dir, garanteed`
`06:04.34`	`doleyb`	`nonix4: rm *.mp3 won't work in that case, it says "invalid option --"`
`06:04.41`	`glick`	`rm -rf *.mp3`
`06:04.46`	`glick`	`will go through all sub directories`
`06:05.07`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: rm -f -- *.[Mm][Pp]3`
`06:05.14`	`doleyb`	`nonix4: that won't work.`
`06:05.31`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: still won't remove ones starting with a .`
`06:05.37`	`glick`	`rm -rf *.[mMPp3]`
`06:05.48`	`doleyb`	`what i really want is a way to cope with files starting with -.`
`06:05.49`	`nonix4`	`glick: pfft`
`06:05.56`	`psychonate`	`join #debian-offtopic`
`06:05.58`	`nomed^`	`doleyb, i think it's file name problem .. is it possible?`
`06:05.59`	`psychonate`	`er oops`
`06:06.03`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: I usually use find \| xargs`
`06:06.28`	`psychonate`	`ah, not a lot of people in there`
`06:06.30`	`doleyb`	`even if i skip wildcards and enter the exact filenames through bash's tab-completion, rm still can't do them.`
`06:06.54`	`doleyb`	`If a file is named "-a.txt", how can i rename it on commandline?`
`06:06.58`	`glick`	`i think alot should be a word`
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`06:07.30`	`ImTheOne`	`glick: what is the meaning of ""alot"?`
`06:07.52`	`Agrajag-`	`i think it shouldn't`
`06:07.53`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: find . $ -name \.mp3 -o -name \.MP3 $ -print0 \| xargs -0 rm -f --`
`06:07.57`	`Agrajag-`	`"alot" really pisses me off`
`06:08.00`	`glick`	`ImTheOne, alot`
`06:08.00`	`Guerin`	`glick: rm -rf doesn't recurse subdirectories ... it'll remove a dir and everything in it, but that's different`
`06:08.05`	`ImTheOne`	`like "a lot of"?`
`06:08.13`	`nomed^`	`doleyb, bash's tab-completion adds \`
`06:08.15`	`deadcat`	`ImTheOne: the one what?`
`06:08.34`	`Guerin`	`the one Im`
`06:08.37`	`Guerin`	`naturally`
`06:08.41`	`DavidGilmour`	`could anyone help a brazilian folk here?`
`06:08.53`	`deadcat`	`!es`
`06:08.53`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`06:08.57`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: that will remove every .mp3 and .MP3 file from . and subdirectories, whatever the filename`
`06:09.00`	`Guerin`	`DavidGilmour: yes, any of us can help anyone who speaks their language, which you appear to`
`06:09.31`	`doleyb`	`nonix4: no it won't. doesn't work for me. it just says "invalid option --"`
`06:09.48`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: on debian?`
`06:09.53`	`doleyb`	`yes sid`
`06:10.14`	`doleyb`	`apparently rm and ls cannot cope with files starting with -, although other progs like scp can.`
`06:10.18`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: ... and there actually are mp3 files? :-)`
`06:10.22`	`ImTheOne`	`the annoying one ; )`
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`06:10.32`	`DavidGilmour`	`don't know if i'm being clear, but i still dont know how to proceed with this shit...`
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`06:11.01`	`doleyb`	`nonix4: example of such a filename: -rw-r--r-- 1 doleyb doleyb 2 Aug 10 20:56 -a.txt`
`06:11.02`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: rm --version`
`06:11.03`	`Guerin`	`doleyb: they can, of course.`
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`06:11.19`	`doleyb`	`nonix4: rm (coreutils) 5.2.1`
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`06:11.32`	`doleyb`	`Guerin: ok, how to make them work with file like "-a.txt" ?`
`06:11.41`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: ./-a.txt`
`06:11.41`	`Guerin`	`put \ in front of it, call it .foo or put -- before the filename`
`06:11.42`	`liable`	`innit just rm -- -a.txt?`
`06:12.13`	`nonix4`	`doleyb: both the -- and ./ approach should be documented in rm --help`
`06:12.30`	`lichte`	`I can't remember what the cli app is to add and remove daemons to runlevels, can anyone help ?`
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`06:13.10`	`Guerin`	`!services`
`06:13.10`	`dpkg`	`methinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/`
`06:13.10`	`liable`	`lichte: sysvconfig is one (curses based)`
`06:13.35`	`lichte`	`thanks :)`
`06:14.01`	`lichte`	`I see update-rc.d is on my box`
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`06:15.38`	`doleyb`	`nonix4: seems that wildcard expansion would be more reliable if it put ./ in front of things then, so that programs could be more assured of coping with the resultant filenames.`
`06:16.24`	`Guerin`	`doleyb: file a wishlist against bash and wait for someone to come up with one of what must be thousands of technical reasons that it's a bad idea`
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`06:17.38`	`doleyb`	`Guerin: the confusing thing is that i ran "scp .txt host:/var/www;rm .txt". The scp completed, but the rm didn't.`
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`06:22.33`	`glick`	`anyone here runnin ubuntu on their lappie?`
`06:22.45`	`deadcat`	`glick: dont know. ask #ubuntu`
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`06:23.56`	`Guerin`	`!anyone use`
`06:23.56`	`dpkg`	`No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.`
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`06:25.41`	`SimonRaven`	`!anyone use Guerin`
`06:25.42`	`dpkg`	`No, no one uses Guerin, not even the people who use it.`
`06:26.01`	`SimonRaven`	`heheh, oops, didn't think that would work`
`06:26.45`	`sep`	`deadcat, the point of a gun is that you should't have to chase.. the bullets chase for you :)`
`06:26.53`	`lilo`	`sorry folks, needed to reconnect that server, it was connected end-around and badly-lagged`
`06:27.10`	`deadcat`	`sep: ah.. i am not familiar with guns (=`
`06:27.16`	`Guerin`	`hah`
`06:27.26`	`defcon8`	`hi Guerin`
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`06:29.50`	`liable`	`woops`
`06:30.03`	`nomed^`	`i was reading this ..`
`06:30.06`	`nomed^`	`http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk/debian/changelog`
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`06:30.07`	`liable`	`time to change password :)`
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`06:30.29`	`SimonRaven`	`Gigglesworth: time to change your password ;)`
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`06:30.44`	`nomed^`	`Add xserver-xorg.init <--- where can i find this ? do you know?`
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`06:31.26`	`SimonRaven`	`stop adding a spcae`
`06:31.30`	`SimonRaven`	`space even`
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`06:31.47`	`Guerin`	`doleyb: g'day mite`
`06:31.57`	`Gigglesworth`	`Doh... I was using the history buffer... not sure how that space got in there.`
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`06:33.21`	`SimonRaven`	`from your missed login to nickserv i'd think ;)`
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`06:33.47`	`Gigglesworth`	`Fark.`
`06:33.59`	`SimonRaven`	`Gigglesworth: btw, why don't you get your client to do the nickserv login?`
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`06:34.38`	`SimonRaven`	`oh, i see. well, have fun =)`
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`06:34.51`	`SimonRaven`	`please /msg me only if it's really private`
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`06:37.55`	`defcon8`	`fark?`
`06:37.57`	`defcon8`	`!`
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`06:42.31`	`Guerin`	`!time`
`06:42.31`	`dpkg`	`[time] found on http://www.time.com/, or Thu Aug 11 06:42:25 2005`
`06:42.46`	`jm_`	`heh no timezone info`
`06:43.26`	`Guerin`	`!literal time`
`06:43.26`	`dpkg`	`time is found on http://www.time.com/, or $date`
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`06:43.41`	`SimonRaven`	`hmm`
`06:43.48`	`SimonRaven`	`@time`
`06:43.49`	`ravenbird`	`i heard time is found on http://www.time.com`
`06:43.50`	`Guerin`	`!time =~ s/date/date UTC/`
`06:43.50`	`dpkg`	`OK, Guerin`
`06:43.56`	`Guerin`	`!time`
`06:43.56`	`dpkg`	`from memory, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Thu Aug 11 06:43:49 2005 UTC`
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`06:44.17`	`SimonRaven`	`@time is <reply>i heard time is found on http://www.time.com. $date $tz`
`06:44.18`	`ravenbird`	`...but time is already something else...`
`06:44.21`	`SimonRaven`	`@no time is <reply>i heard time is found on http://www.time.com. $date $tz`
`06:44.22`	`ravenbird`	`okay, SimonRaven`
`06:44.26`	`SimonRaven`	`@time`
`06:44.27`	`ravenbird`	`i heard time is found on http://www.time.com. Thu Aug 11 06:44:20 2005 $tz`
`06:44.31`	`SimonRaven`	`:\|`
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`06:44.37`	`SimonRaven`	`@no time is <reply>i heard time is found on http://www.time.com. $date UTC`
`06:44.38`	`ravenbird`	`SimonRaven: okay`
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`06:45.06`	`torc`	`[girL14] is mass-advertising :)`
`06:45.14`	`SimonRaven`	`/topic`
`06:45.15`	`defcon8`	`damn`
`06:45.23`	`defcon8`	`i hope freenode doesnt become like dalnet or undernet :(`
`06:45.33`	`SimonRaven`	`@ops [girL14] (n=Network@85.96.160.81) is a spam bot`
`06:45.34`	`ravenbird`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [girL14] (n=Network@85.96.160.81) is a spam bot`
`06:45.38`	`Tennessee`	`Hi all. I am wrestling with SSL. The documentation is patchy and contradictory, and I can't get it to work. Can anyone hold my hand while I go through the process?`
`06:45.47`	`Tennessee`	`apache2 that is`
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`06:46.02`	`deadcat`	`these bots never seem to spam me.. i feel left out. )=`
`06:46.04`	`torc`	`btw, is it possible to create raid1 md device and boot from it?`
`06:46.25`	`SimonRaven`	`yes. see the seoncd raid howto (AKA the newer one)`
`06:46.29`	`SimonRaven`	`second even`
`06:46.47`	`sanmarcos`	`how could I regenerate my debian menu, since I see it all doubled right now?`
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`06:47.07`	`SimonRaven`	`Tennessee: there's a few scripts on the web, and a couple on the debian-isp mailing list`
`06:47.21`	`SimonRaven`	`...to make server certs`
`06:47.38`	`defcon8`	`ahh shit`
`06:47.57`	`defcon8`	`that spammer is on my turkish isp`
`06:48.03`	`defcon8`	`why are all the fucking spammers turks`
`06:48.04`	`Tennessee`	`Simon: it's not a problem with making the certs. It's apache2 configuration difficulties. The apache2-ssl-certificate command generates a .pem file for me. I'm following http://mario.espaciolinux.com/apache2_ssl.html`
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`06:48.17`	`torc`	`defcon8: lol... 5 minutes later, ah... taht spammer is me ;)`
`06:48.18`	`defcon8`	`i find myself being banned from tons of irc channels`
`06:48.21`	`Valen`	`defcon8, join austnet, ausie spam`
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`06:49.30`	`torc`	`SimonRaven: Software-RAID HOWTO v 1.1 is the newer one?`
`06:49.46`	`torc`	`SimonRaven: Grub support at section "Booting on RAID" - looks like it.`
`06:49.59`	`SimonRaven`	`on tldp there should be 2 there, it's the second one`
`06:50.07`	`SimonRaven`	`maybe, lemme see`
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`06:51.20`	`saboteur`	`what's the debian installer program called?`
`06:51.28`	`saboteur`	`i mean the menu thing that is launched after debootstrap`
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`06:51.55`	`deadcat`	`saboteur: d-i`
`06:52.10`	`deadcat`	`saboteur: or debconf?`
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`06:52.34`	`SimonRaven`	`#`
`06:52.41`	`SimonRaven`	`Software-RAID-HOWTO, Software-RAID HOWTO`
`06:52.44`	`saboteur`	`i mean the curses based thing that lets you set up your timezone, apt sources etc`
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`06:52.51`	`SimonRaven`	`Updated: Jun 2004.`
`06:52.51`	`sanmarcos`	`How do I regenerate the debian menu`
`06:52.56`	`SimonRaven`	`sorry about that #`
`06:53.00`	`Tuttle`	`My mplayer from nerim.net is frequently crashing, what is the best source of working mplayer debs?`
`06:53.06`	`liable`	`base-config`
`06:53.13`	`saboteur`	`ahh, that's it`
`06:53.14`	`saboteur`	`cheers`
`06:53.14`	`deadcat`	`Tuttle: thats the only one`
`06:53.16`	`saboteur`	`:)`
`06:53.19`	`SimonRaven`	`what? for menu? no, update-menus`
`06:53.21`	`torc`	`SimonRaven: ah, nice. thats the one. thanks :)`
`06:53.23`	`Guerin`	`Tuttle: that's the only really good source, other than byo`
`06:53.24`	`sanmarcos`	`Tuttle: none.. www.mplayerhq.hu`
`06:53.31`	`sanmarcos`	`SimonRaven: thanks`
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`06:53.47`	`SimonRaven`	`oh, sorry. /me confuzzled :)`
`06:53.48`	`torc`	`SimonRaven: if i have root on raid1 and booting from it, and one of disks fails, will i still be able to access it?`
`06:54.02`	`torc`	`SimonRaven: err, actually "boot" is the right word :)`
`06:54.06`	`Tuttle`	`So when mplayer from nerim.net crashes for me, is it likely there's a problem on my side since many people use and test it?`
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`06:54.40`	`Guerin`	`Tuttle: yeah.`
`06:54.45`	`Valen`	`base-install i believe`
`06:54.54`	`Valen`	`re deb installer thingie`
`06:54.55`	`Guerin`	`Tuttle: not always, though... sometime it's just fl;akey`
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`06:55.10`	`Tuttle`	`for many weeks i'm not able to update from nerim.net, what line in sources.list do you have for nerim, please?`
`06:55.13`	`Guerin`	`Tuttle: try a different version of marillat's package`
`06:55.17`	`jair`	`hello guys`
`06:55.23`	`Biogas`	`hi guys, can someone tell me if it's possible to chown a file to two users?`
`06:55.24`	`Lafy_`	`is there any way that a debian machine would be signing it's packets with the wrong ip?`
`06:55.25`	`Guerin`	`Tuttle: the one in /msg dpkg marillat`
`06:55.32`	`Tuttle`	`thanks`
`06:55.50`	`suxuan`	`thx`
`06:55.50`	`jair`	`I am playing around with some couple of tools here in Linux and Unix I really love it`
`06:55.57`	`Guerin`	`Biogas: that's whgat groups are for`
`06:56.08`	`jair`	`!seen jair`
`06:56.08`	`dpkg`	`jair is currently on #debian (2m 36s). Has said a total of 1636 messages. Is idling for 0s`
`06:56.19`	`Biogas`	`my two users are in different groups :-/`
`06:56.32`	`SimonRaven`	`torc: good question. as i've never done it, i don't know for sure, but i would imagine it would. go read ;)`
`06:57.21`	`Guerin`	`Biogas: make a group containing them`
`06:57.26`	`glick`	`ooooooh you touch my tra la la`
`06:57.30`	`glick`	`my ding ding dong`
`06:57.34`	`torc`	`SimonRaven: ahh, ok. thanks :)`
`06:57.36`	`Guerin`	`!fuck glick`
`06:57.38`	`Biogas`	`I can't do that, I'm not root`
`06:57.46`	`Guerin`	`Biogas: you're fucked, then`
`06:57.54`	`Biogas`	`damn`
`06:58.00`	`Guerin`	`Biogas: ask root`
`06:58.10`	`Guerin`	`Biogas: or have permissive permissions`
`06:58.13`	`glick`	`harder dpkg`
`06:58.22`	`Biogas`	`USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT`
`06:58.22`	`Biogas`	`root ttyS0 - 9Feb05 182days 13:22m 13:22m top`
`06:58.27`	`Biogas`	`look at that idle >.>`
`06:58.49`	`deadcat`	`Biogas: if you dont like it. reboot the box. it will be reset`
`06:59.19`	`Biogas`	`I didn't know a normal user could reboot it`
`06:59.28`	`deadcat`	`Biogas: you can`
`06:59.46`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`06:59.52`	`Guerin`	`not on any sane box`
`06:59.59`	`deadcat`	`sudo`
`07:00.01`	`deadcat`	`(=`
`07:00.04`	`Guerin`	`as i said`
`07:00.09`	`suxuan`	`.!`
`07:00.11`	`jm_`	`actually they can with ctrl-alt-del ;)`
`07:00.18`	`Guerin`	`any sane box wouldn't allow a user to reboot with sudo`
`07:00.23`	`deadcat`	`gnome and kde let you reboot from the desktop`
`07:00.25`	`Guerin`	`jm_: local access can give you anything`
`07:00.34`	`Valen`	`or use the power switch MUWHWHWHW`
`07:00.36`	`Guerin`	`deadcat: with the correct (stupid) permissions set`
`07:00.50`	`deadcat`	`Guerin: cant argue with result`
`07:01.02`	`Guerin`	`deadcat: read what i wrote again ... any SANE box`
`07:02.25`	`Biogas`	`!fuck Biogas`
`07:02.28`	`Biogas`	`w00t`
`07:02.36`	`suxuan`	`good`
`07:02.41`	`suxuan`	`good fuck`
`07:03.11`	`Biogas`	`!fuck himself`
`07:03.16`	`Biogas`	`lmao`
`07:03.18`	`Tuttle`	`The reason I was not able to update from marillat was that I have my own scripts installed in front of /usr/lib/apt/methods/(http\|ftp) with trickle inside. When I run original http and ftp , marillat repo updates. Does anyone know why is that?`
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`07:04.05`	`Tuttle`	`The other repos (debian official, security) went ok.`
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`07:04.49`	`Guerin`	`Tuttle: nerim.net is a fascist about such things as multiple connections, maybe something like that was the problem?`
`07:04.59`	`fidget`	`does any one know how to change the default port that gnome bit torrent listens on?`
`07:05.26`	`kneet`	`Guerin, I wonder how heavy he get's hit by hosting mplayer ?`
`07:05.29`	`Guerin`	`fidget: bittorrent clients typically run over 6881-6999`
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`07:06.02`	`fidget`	`right but i'm trying to get it to listen on port 6889`
`07:06.06`	`fidget`	`instead of the default`
`07:06.07`	`fidget`	`6881`
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`07:06.43`	`suxuan`	`6881-6889`
`07:06.54`	`fidget`	`.......`
`07:07.11`	`suxuan`	`bittorrent port`
`07:07.14`	`fidget`	`...`
`07:07.18`	`fidget`	`yes yes I know ...`
`07:07.20`	`fidget`	`BUT!`
`07:07.24`	`fidget`	`the default`
`07:07.24`	`suxuan`	`?`
`07:07.24`	`fidget`	`port`
`07:07.27`	`fidget`	`for the first one opened`
`07:07.29`	`fidget`	`is 6881`
`07:07.30`	`suxuan`	`6881`
`07:07.33`	`fidget`	`right!`
`07:07.37`	`fidget`	`I want it to be 6889`
`07:07.39`	`Guerin`	`!enter`
`07:07.39`	`dpkg`	`The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).`
`07:07.45`	`Guerin`	`fidget: so fucking configure it`
`07:07.53`	`fidget`	`and I would do this how?`
`07:07.55`	`Guerin`	`this is not a debian issue`
`07:08.00`	`Guerin`	`!htfswk`
`07:08.00`	`dpkg`	`How The Fuck Should We Know?`
`07:08.04`	`Guerin`	`ask the gnometards`
`07:08.11`	`Guerin`	`or use a real irc client`
`07:08.16`	`Guerin`	`or read the documentation`
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`07:08.22`	`Guerin`	`bah, i mean bittorrent client`
`07:08.27`	`fidget`	`nice Guerin`
`07:08.28`	`fidget`	`nice`
`07:08.31`	`fidget`	`irc client`
`07:08.37`	`suxuan`	`:)`
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`07:09.31`	`fidget`	`humm looks like i'll have to stick with the default IRC port of 6881 wont I Guerin?`
`07:09.32`	`e-spy`	`where can i find eclipse 3.0.2-1.deb packet is used in knoppix... and i want to install eclipse on my sarge`
`07:09.36`	`fidget`	`thanks fer joe help`
`07:09.59`	`Guerin`	`fidget: i dunno, how badly do you want to change? with any decent bittorrent client it's trivial`
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`07:10.13`	`Tuttle`	`Guerin: I've send you the mini script privately, do you think such code could be detected by the server?`
`07:10.15`	`fidget`	`there has to be a config doc somewhere?`
`07:10.59`	`Guerin`	`Tuttle: i don't do private message, and in any case i didn't recieve it`
`07:11.18`	`Guerin`	`fidget: it's gnome, so not necessarily`
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`07:11.43`	`justin420`	`hi`
`07:11.46`	`fidget`	`eh aight thanks your your help`
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`07:15.17`	`saboteur`	`i have trouble understanding initrd under debian`
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`07:15.27`	`saboteur`	`how do i ensure what modules are loaded from within the initrd?`
`07:15.28`	`Biogas`	`Debian is a woody`
`07:15.30`	`Biogas`	`lolol`
`07:15.43`	`saboteur`	`how do i ensure modules are loaded from within the initrd?`
`07:15.47`	`saboteur`	`sorry, typo`
`07:16.11`	`streuner`	`saboteur: via /etc/modules, but if you have hotplug installed forget everything what i said ;-)`
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`07:16.39`	`streuner`	`dpkg, initrd`
`07:16.39`	`dpkg`	`i guess initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230`
`07:16.55`	`saboteur`	`thanks!`
`07:17.40`	`streuner`	`knusper:/home/user# lsmod \| wc -l`
`07:17.40`	`streuner`	`91`
`07:18.28`	`sanmarcos`	`indeed its all streuner's fault`
`07:18.35`	`saboteur`	`so the initrd is loaded via the scsi bios since it doesn't yet have the scsi host controller driver loaded?`
`07:19.04`	`jm_`	`no, it's loaded by boot loader - Debian kernels rely on initrd because they are heavily modularized`
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`07:19.12`	`streuner`	`saboteur: most SCSI drivers are compiled into kernel itself...`
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`07:21.57`	`Valen`	`streuner, not mine`
`07:22.14`	`Valen`	`and mkinitrd tells it to put the wrong module into the image`
`07:22.22`	`Valen`	`which makes installing hell on earth`
`07:22.26`	`saboteur`	`yeah`
`07:22.39`	`Valen`	`at least ubuntu dosent even try to support it`
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`07:22.46`	`Valen`	`2.4 kernel has the wrong module`
`07:22.52`	`moto1`	`what's the command to see full system specs?`
`07:22.54`	`saboteur`	`so managing the initrd is easy? just mount it loopback and copy the file in?`
`07:22.55`	`moto1`	`(not just uname)`
`07:22.56`	`streuner`	`If you have problems with kernels just use a kernel-image`
`07:23.12`	`Valen`	`2.6 that ships with the installer dosent have it at all`
`07:23.22`	`streuner`	`OR just disable INITRD then`
`07:23.34`	`Valen`	`quincecontly i have to try the recovery console to make the initrd`
`07:23.53`	`Valen`	`keeping in mind i am a noob the experience has been less than fun`
`07:23.56`	`saboteur`	`i think i will make a non-initrd dpkg-buildpackage kernel :D`
`07:24.05`	`saboteur`	`worked well for woody`
`07:24.21`	`Valen`	`saboteur, none of that helps on install though :-<`
`07:24.33`	`streuner`	`Valen: #debian-boot`
`07:24.39`	`saboteur`	`no, i am using knoppix and debootstrap to install`
`07:24.39`	`rommer`	`how do i install java for debian?`
`07:24.53`	`streuner`	`rommer: sarge?`
`07:24.57`	`Valen`	`shiny`
`07:25.13`	`saboteur`	`because my scsi card isn't supported by sarge's default installer kernel`
`07:25.16`	`deadcat`	`cool`
`07:25.19`	`rommer`	`streuner: 3.1`
`07:25.20`	`deadcat`	`oops`
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`07:25.42`	`saboteur`	`which is aic79xx`
`07:25.55`	`streuner`	`rommer: /msg dpkg blackdown`
`07:25.58`	`Valen`	`that sounds somewhat nifty streuner`
`07:26.14`	`Valen`	`i am using a100u2w from initio`
`07:26.36`	`Valen`	`i think i'd like to get ubunto running on my desktop but it has even less hope`
`07:27.23`	`streuner`	`Valen: ask in #debian-boot`
`07:27.44`	`Valen`	`will do`
`07:27.50`	`Valen`	`for now i am soldering`
`07:27.57`	`Valen`	`;-> that i understand lol`
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`07:30.51`	`toresbe`	`Valen: what are you making?`
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`07:31.42`	`streuner`	`toresbe: "Zoff" ;-)`
`07:32.11`	`Jamsi`	`Two Internet links in one linux machine - one link is to be used for normal net browsing - the other will be available for incoming connections to forward traffic to a terminal box`
`07:32.22`	`Jamsi`	`^^ Easy or advanced routing required?`
`07:32.46`	`toresbe`	`streuner: google links a page which probably isn't relevant`
`07:32.53`	`toresbe`	`streuner: AKA "I don't get it" :P`
`07:33.19`	`OriginalGlitch`	`For awhile now, I haven't been able to get any updates from the non-us 'unstable' dist. Admittedly I haven't been following Debian news 'n stuff...does anyone know what's up with the non-us unstable stuff?`
`07:33.30`	`jm_`	`OriginalGlitch: read the topic`
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`07:34.40`	`OriginalGlitch`	`jm_: Thanks...following the breadcrumbs now...`
`07:35.15`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Ah, I see...it's not there because...it's not there.`
`07:35.16`	`toresbe`	`Valen: I want to make a sound generating system`
`07:35.28`	`toresbe`	`Valen: my pdp-11 needs a sound card, IMO`
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`07:36.14`	`toresbe`	`a QBUS interface should be fairly trivial to do, and from there I can just make some 74 logic`
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`07:40.07`	`Valen`	`making a 150+A FET switch`
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`07:40.19`	`Valen`	`more than just electronics that lol`
`07:40.32`	`Valen`	`using 10mm aluminium for conductor/heatsink`
`07:40.40`	`Overand`	`hahah`
`07:40.50`	`Valen`	`3mm copper sheet for the other conductor`
`07:40.50`	`Ecligprs`	`is there a graphical debian menu editor?`
`07:41.26`	`Valen`	`toresbe, what speed is the pdp-11?`
`07:42.37`	`toresbe`	`Valen: mine is a relatively fast PDP-11/73`
`07:42.46`	`Overand`	`i thinkl the pdp-8 was like 50 kilohz`
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`07:42.59`	`toresbe`	`Overand: oh, no, no`
`07:43.05`	`Overand`	`wikipedia has specs on these things i'm sure`
`07:43.13`	`toresbe`	`Overand: I have worked with them`
`07:43.20`	`Valen`	`toresbe, does it run some form of irc client?`
`07:43.20`	`Overand`	`yeah`
`07:43.24`	`Overand`	`like i said 'i think...'`
`07:43.32`	`toresbe`	`Overand: I think they're around 500khz`
`07:43.37`	`Overand`	`really?`
`07:43.45`	`Overand`	`that's not so bad`
`07:43.45`	`toresbe`	`Overand: When the CPU has 8 instructions... that still is slow ;)`
`07:43.54`	`Valen`	`RISC man`
`07:44.32`	`rixth`	`WHat AllowOverride is required for using mod_rewrite in a .htaccess?`
`07:44.46`	`toresbe`	`Overand: The original PDP-8 probably had what was common in those days, a speed knob on the console`
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`07:45.00`	`Valen`	`toresbe, i need a slow ass computer to connect to irc from`
`07:45.04`	`Overand`	`" ran at a speed of 0.333 MIPS."`
`07:45.12`	`Valen`	`simply to out slow another person`
`07:45.20`	`Valen`	`damn her and her 40mhz sun`
`07:45.21`	`Overand`	`(wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-8)`
`07:45.28`	`toresbe`	`Overand: you could slow it down to sub-Hz levels`
`07:45.37`	`Overand`	`toresbe: that's cool =]`
`07:45.38`	`toresbe`	`and watch your program run`
`07:45.48`	`Valen`	`i am firing up a 4mhz 386 or so but 500khz would have to be an all time winner`
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`07:46.00`	`OriginalGlitch`	`...and I thought mu K6-2/233 (underclocked to 200) was slow. :)`
`07:46.07`	`Overand`	`heh`
`07:46.10`	`toresbe`	`Valen: the PDP-11/73 is clocked at up to 15Mhz`
`07:46.14`	`Overand`	`i'm working o ngetting my IIgs online`
`07:46.18`	`OriginalGlitch`	`s/mu/my/`
`07:46.22`	`Overand`	`i just need to get up a PPP server on another box and connect via serial`
`07:46.26`	`Valen`	`OriginalGlitch, geez man i have run 2000 server on that`
`07:46.32`	`Overand`	`i've got a tcp stack for my IIgs`
`07:46.37`	`Valen`	`P1 233 with 48mb ram`
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`07:46.38`	`toresbe`	`Valen: and the 93, the fastest PDP-11 ever, ran at 18 but could be overclocked to 20`
`07:46.43`	`rommer`	`what repository do i need to add to get java-package`
`07:46.46`	`Valen`	`cool`
`07:47.01`	`Valen`	`i am tempted to make an embeded client`
`07:47.07`	`jm_`	`rommer: /msg dpkg java`
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`07:47.16`	`toresbe`	`Valen: a friend wrote an IRC client called tirc`
`07:47.23`	`Valen`	`~5mhz but 1000 bytes ram ;->`
`07:47.36`	`toresbe`	`Valen: which runs inside the tiny userspace memory of the 11`
`07:47.38`	`Valen`	`hrm 1mhz use internal oscilator`
`07:47.41`	`Overand`	`i still hope to someday irc with irssi --dumb using a teletype`
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`07:48.04`	`toresbe`	`Overand: I have a teletype in my storage facility :>`
`07:48.09`	`Valen`	`4kb of program storage`
`07:48.11`	`Overand`	`use a teletype to IRC from a 3ghz linux box, haha`
`07:48.25`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Ok, just to show my age, I have to ask - for those participating in the 'slowness contest' - what's the slowest computer you've owned?`
`07:48.29`	`juanma`	`do anyon know how can I play a beep in a computer I do control using ssh?`
`07:48.30`	`Overand`	`i use serial terminals a bit still`
`07:48.32`	`Overand`	`took a little effort`
`07:48.37`	`jm_`	`OriginalGlitch: C64`
`07:48.39`	`Valen`	`operational and serious use?`
`07:48.50`	`toresbe`	`OriginalGlitch: I'm 17, my first machine was a 286`
`07:48.51`	`Valen`	`486SLC2 uhh 25 i think`
`07:48.54`	`Valen`	`might have been 50`
`07:48.58`	`jm_`	`wait I also worked with ViC20 ;)`
`07:49.00`	`Overand`	`Valen: if you call a dedicated console client for 'MPD' dedicated and serious...`
`07:49.01`	`toresbe`	`OriginalGlitch: But I've worked on restoring a PDP-7`
`07:49.20`	`jm_`	`but I did not own the VIC one`
`07:49.27`	`Valen`	`i have got linux installed on the 386`
`07:49.32`	`Valen`	`i believe its a 4 mhz`
`07:49.35`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Ah yes - the C=64. I was gonna say a 4.77MHz XT (no turbo), but I'd hafts go with the C=64, or the Commodore Plus 4 that I played on briefly.`
`07:49.37`	`Overand`	`oh wait, Valen ignre my comment`
`07:49.39`	`Valen`	`it may become an irc/mail box`
`07:49.45`	`Overand`	`i wrote my first programs on a //e`
`07:49.47`	`toresbe`	`OriginalGlitch: http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/`
`07:49.51`	`Overand`	`no, on a mattel aquarius`
`07:49.57`	`toresbe`	`OriginalGlitch: eek, hold on, missing a link`
`07:50.03`	`Valen`	`i played with a mac 2e in primary school`
`07:50.04`	`sep`	`OriginalGlitch, probably the commodore vic20`
`07:50.18`	`toresbe`	`eek. hmm, never mind.`
`07:50.22`	`toresbe`	`sep :)`
`07:50.28`	`sep`	`toresbe, .9`
`07:50.31`	`sep`	`:)`
`07:50.32`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Overand: 2nd machine I did BASIC on was an Apple ][ (no plus, no e).`
`07:50.38`	`Overand`	`yep`
`07:50.46`	`Overand`	`left and right arrows only on that and the plus`
`07:50.48`	`Overand`	`fucking rad.`
`07:50.50`	`sep`	`toresbe, you know the speed of the tiki's ?`
`07:50.53`	`Valen`	`yaknow with a nifty bios it'd be possible to boot a functioning computer completeley within a graphics card`
`07:50.54`	`glick`	`man`
`07:50.56`	`glick`	`that sucks`
`07:50.58`	`Jamsi`	`Anyone able to help with the routing question - is thre a routing channel on this network?`
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`07:51.02`	`OriginalGlitch`	`1st one was a teletype connected to the local community college via 110 baud accoustic modem.`
`07:51.10`	`sep`	`Jamsi, #networking or #quagga`
`07:51.15`	`Jamsi`	`ta`
`07:51.22`	`sep`	`Jamsi, depending if you use quagga or not`
`07:51.22`	`Valen`	`slowest modem i had was a 2400/9600(fax)`
`07:51.26`	`glick`	`anyone here do kernel hacking?`
`07:51.27`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Jamsi: You might need QoS though, not just routing.`
`07:51.27`	`Valen`	`slowest i used`
`07:51.32`	`Valen`	`but i got a 1200`
`07:51.36`	`toresbe`	`sep: yeah, they were 4MHz Z80A's`
`07:51.51`	`juanma`	`what is the command I can beep in debian box?`
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`07:51.58`	`Jamsi`	`OriginalGlitch so its more complicted than adding an extra route and a few iptable rules?`
`07:52.06`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Valen: First modem experience (other than the teletype) was a borrowed 300 baud modem on my C=64.`
`07:52.13`	`sep`	`juanma, beep dont work for you ?`
`07:52.15`	`Valen`	`old school`
`07:52.20`	`Valen`	`download porn?`
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`07:52.23`	`juanma`	`no sep`
`07:52.29`	`sep`	`juana you have to install it first ofcouse!`
`07:52.30`	`OriginalGlitch`	`juanma: Dunno if you can make it beep...perhaps you can make noise by catting a .au to /dev/audio`
`07:52.33`	`Valen`	`i filled my 200mb hdd with porn from BBS's at 2400`
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`07:52.57`	`Valen`	`ahh those were the days`
`07:53.08`	`Valen`	`porn is the prime driver of consumer electronics yaknow`
`07:53.13`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Valen: Closest thing to pr0n then was "macpics" - B&W, ulra-low-res pictures. I printed the hell out of them though, 'cause it was sooo cool.`
`07:53.15`	`sep`	`my amiga500 have an awsome 20Mb scsi drive.. you could fill it for ever!`
`07:53.29`	`Valen`	`OriginalGlitch, no ascii porn?`
`07:53.37`	`OriginalGlitch`	`sep: $$$!`
`07:53.51`	`Valen`	`how "cool" would it be to have a graphics card OS`
`07:53.54`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Valen: Not that I knew of back then (1985/6).`
`07:54.05`	`toresbe`	`typing on a Teletype is a very cool feeling`
`07:54.10`	`jm_`	`I remember when my friend's father found out he had Soft Pier Porno show on C64 :P`
`07:54.12`	`Valen`	`OriginalGlitch, hehe i was 2`
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`07:54.31`	`OriginalGlitch`	`toresbe: I liked to tap on the phone handset with a pencil and see what characters printed out. :)`
`07:54.35`	`glick`	`i wrote a beep program`
`07:54.36`	`Valen`	`lol`
`07:54.40`	`glick`	`ooh im soo hardcore!`
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`07:54.45`	`toresbe`	`OriginalGlitch: nice :)`
`07:54.46`	`Ecligprs`	`...`
`07:54.52`	`Valen`	`send the bell char to the terminal?`
`07:54.54`	`glick`	`its called beep`
`07:54.56`	`toresbe`	`the keyboard is locked while the TTY transmits and prints the characters`
`07:55.06`	`saboteur`	`we did that in gwbasic in high school`
`07:55.10`	`basix`	`i have installed debian sarge on my old p1. When LILO comes up, it takes a hell lot of time to do the bios check (about 2-5 minutes). Earlier when I had installed debian, the BIOS check would take about 5 seconds. What could be wrong??`
`07:55.10`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Valen: The teletype experience would have been...oh...1978 or 1979.`
`07:55.11`	`nkuttler`	`glick: apt-cache show beep`
`07:55.13`	`glick`	`it should become a standard linux utility`
`07:55.16`	`saboteur`	`10 CLEAR`
`07:55.19`	`saboteur`	`20 BEEP`
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`07:55.22`	`ServerList`	`hi`
`07:55.22`	`saboteur`	`30 GOTO 20`
`07:55.31`	`ServerList`	`how do i get grub recognize my hdd`
`07:55.35`	`toresbe`	`so you kjnow what character you're going to type before you have the opportunity to type it`
`07:55.37`	`ServerList`	`how do i get grub recognize my hdd usb`
`07:55.38`	`toresbe`	`it's fun`
`07:55.46`	`Valen`	`i like that i have a dual xeon 3.06 ghz and i spend most of my time ssh'd or something into computers < 500mhz for chat purposes`
`07:55.49`	`jm_`	`ServerList: stop repeating`
`07:55.49`	`glick`	`damn everything that i think of has already been done!`
`07:55.59`	`nkuttler`	`glick: :)`
`07:56.21`	`toresbe`	`glick: Welcome to Linux ;)`
`07:56.34`	`toresbe`	`glick: however, I have an idea for something that hasn't been done yet`
`07:56.40`	`sep`	`glick, if you think of something that works and have never been done before your rather clever`
`07:56.43`	`toresbe`	`glick: I suck at coding though :(`
`07:56.52`	`Valen`	`glick, write a program that will fit into the MBR that'll display a pornographic image before loading a boot loader`
`07:57.01`	`glick`	`yeah but no one has developed the usb controlled latex vagina adult novelty toys yet!`
`07:57.02`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Heheh.`
`07:57.09`	`saboteur`	`you know what is really sad`
`07:57.13`	`OriginalGlitch`	`glick: So get to work!`
`07:57.17`	`Valen`	`glick, i am working on a bluetooth vibrator`
`07:57.18`	`saboteur`	`one of my clients gave me an "old" laptop of theirs`
`07:57.25`	`saboteur`	`and it's the fastest computer in my house`
`07:57.30`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Hehehe.`
`07:57.32`	`Valen`	`web based of course`
`07:57.34`	`glick`	`i gotta do kernel hackin for me OS course comming up next term`
`07:57.36`	`glick`	`should be fun`
`07:57.42`	`glick`	`we disect the linux kernel`
`07:57.44`	`glick`	`and solaris`
`07:57.50`	`sep`	`Valen, click on the tits for linux, click on the ass for windows. ?`
`07:57.51`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Penguin on the SCSI bus!!`
`07:57.52`	`Valen`	`differrent project to the 150A switch that`
`07:57.58`	`Valen`	`sep goal`
`07:58.10`	`sep`	`Valen, nice bootloader that`
`07:58.17`	`Valen`	`i like it already`
`07:58.25`	`Valen`	`could probbly hack grub into doing it`
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`07:58.51`	`Valen`	`but the target was to write something that would fit in the MBR that'd do it`
`07:58.53`	`Yokalosh`	`there is something weird going on in my boot menu....`
`07:59.00`	`Yokalosh`	`windows xp is multiplying in the list`
`07:59.02`	`Valen`	`lol!`
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`07:59.10`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Dangit...I still can't update pine...`
`07:59.16`	`Valen`	`sorry but thats too funny wrt timing`
`07:59.26`	`Yokalosh`	`lol`
`07:59.26`	`glick`	`who the fsck uses pine these days?`
`07:59.27`	`sep`	`hehe`
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`07:59.32`	`glick`	`use mutt or emacs`
`07:59.42`	`freak_fk`	`hi`
`07:59.46`	`deadcat`	`glick: university students (=`
`07:59.46`	`glick`	`or elm`
`07:59.51`	`glick`	`use elm`
`07:59.53`	`OriginalGlitch`	`PINE ROX YER NUTZ!`
`08:00.00`	`glick`	`that was the one i was thnkin of elm`
`08:00.05`	`glick`	`elm has more features than pine`
`08:00.12`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Yeah, likely...ut as with so many people, I like to stick with what I started on.`
`08:00.13`	`deadcat`	`!start a mua war`
`08:00.13`	`dpkg`	`elm sucks`
`08:00.18`	`deadcat`	`there you ahve it`
`08:00.22`	`glick`	`and is truely free gpl'd software`
`08:00.35`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Also have users on the machine who (like me) started out with pine (at Netcom).`
`08:01.15`	`glick`	`what you started out on isnt always best`
`08:01.21`	`Yokalosh`	`anyways, i deleted some of the xp entries in the list on the boot manager, close it and re-open it and there are more`
`08:01.25`	`Yokalosh`	`and they wont go away`
`08:01.29`	`glick`	`i started out on windows 3.10`
`08:01.31`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Agreed. But it's well within my comfort zone. :)`
`08:01.56`	`ke6isf`	`glick: Yeah, but I don't like elm.`
`08:01.58`	`Yokalosh`	`does anyone know what i should do?`
`08:01.59`	`OriginalGlitch`	`I think I used Win 2.0 way, way back...but not sure.`
`08:02.08`	`glick`	`ke6isf, cause your sub human`
`08:02.17`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Yokalosh: Sorry - 0 clue(s) here.`
`08:02.25`	`Yokalosh`	`:)`
`08:02.32`	`Yokalosh`	`oki`
`08:02.35`	`ke6isf`	`deadcat: Dude, good call.`
`08:02.40`	`glick`	`hehe`
`08:02.50`	`ke6isf`	`Anyway, real geeks directly edit /var/spool/mail/$user.`
`08:02.51`	`deadcat`	`ke6isf: on mua?`
`08:02.56`	`ke6isf`	`deadcat: Oh yeah.`
`08:03.00`	`deadcat`	`thanks (=`
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`08:03.23`	`OriginalGlitch`	`...or $MAIL`
`08:03.47`	`deadcat`	`OriginalGlitch: $MAIL can be a dir`
`08:03.50`	`OriginalGlitch`	`This whole pine upgrade thingy was started by a user asking me what happened to pico.`
`08:03.55`	`glick`	`this chick keeps emailing me telling me she wants to buy my Sun but then never calls`
`08:03.57`	`glick`	`wtf`
`08:04.06`	`OriginalGlitch`	`deadcat: Hrm...haven't seen that one before.`
`08:04.07`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 561] by debhelper`
`08:04.20`	`deadcat`	`OriginalGlitch: maybe time for you to check it out`
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`08:04.39`	`ke6isf`	`glick: Life is hard.`
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`08:05.21`	`glick`	`yeah, especially when i see naken women`
`08:05.28`	`glick`	`making out with each other`
`08:05.52`	`deadcat`	`glick: thats more like dick is hard. not life is hard`
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`08:06.03`	`*** part/#debian bal00 (N=hector@155.Red-80-38-207.pooles.rima-tde.net)`
`08:06.11`	`glick`	`deadcat, oh`
`08:06.18`	`ke6isf`	`I'd almost bash that one. Almost.`
`08:06.32`	`glick`	`bash?`
`08:06.37`	`ke6isf`	`!bash.org`
`08:06.44`	`ke6isf`	`Hmm... oh well.`
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`08:08.01`	`sep`	`installing win2kserver->reboot- chipset drivers-reboot-gfx drivers -reboot-nicdriver-reboot-intelatadrivers-reboot-SP4-reboot-ie6-reboot-windowsupdate-reboot-reboot-reboot. heck this takes forever !!!!`
`08:08.15`	`ke6isf`	`sep: Don't do that then.`
`08:08.27`	`dimir`	`sep: LOL!`
`08:08.50`	`glick`	`<WiLdSeXyPrInCeSs> i luv guyz where would they be wifout us gals???`
`08:08.50`	`glick`	`<XeNoX> Still in the Garden Of Eden you gullible bitch.`
`08:08.52`	`glick`	`haha`
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`08:09.19`	`dimir`	`:-)`
`08:09.30`	`Yokalosh`	`wow #grub is helpful :(`
`08:09.33`	`dimir`	`Mooooooorniiiiiiiing!`
`08:09.52`	`ke6isf`	`dimir: feh, I'm just going to bed.`
`08:10.01`	`sep`	`ke6isf, dimir forget the usb2.0 drivers-reboot in there too`
`08:10.18`	`dimir`	`lol`
`08:10.20`	`dimir`	`omg`
`08:10.27`	`dimir`	`that's why i hate ig`
`08:10.32`	`dimir`	`s/ig/it/`
`08:11.01`	`dimir`	`ke6isf: where the heck are you?`
`08:11.06`	`liable`	`Yokalosh: paste your menu list on a paster`
`08:11.25`	`Yokalosh`	`ok`
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`08:11.38`	`dimir`	`yeah, I want to see it too`
`08:11.41`	`ke6isf`	`dimir: southern California.`
`08:11.50`	`dimir`	`states, oh no!`
`08:11.57`	`ke6isf`	`dimir: 'dig loc chez-vrolet.net'`
`08:12.05`	`jim_`	`can someone please tell me how i can put in message of the day at login in terminal?`
`08:12.18`	`OriginalGlitch`	`SoCal? Whereabouts?`
`08:12.19`	`dimir`	`jim_ : /etc/motd`
`08:12.19`	`ke6isf`	`jim_: /etc/motd`
`08:12.25`	`dimir`	`:-P`
`08:12.26`	`ke6isf`	`OriginalGlitch: 'dig loc chez-vrolet.net'`
`08:12.26`	`OriginalGlitch`	`jim_: /etc/motd`
`08:12.26`	`jim_`	`motd is for console`
`08:12.36`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Or /etc/login`
`08:12.43`	`jim_`	`ok thanks`
`08:12.44`	`Yokalosh`	`liable: wer do u want me to copy it from?`
`08:12.45`	`OriginalGlitch`	`No wait...did I d0rk that?`
`08:13.03`	`liable`	`Yokalosh: what do you mean?`
`08:13.07`	`OriginalGlitch`	`/etc/issue /etc/issue.net`
`08:13.30`	`ke6isf`	`/etc/issue is for the login prompt. /etc/issue.net is for the login prompt via telnet, I believe.`
`08:13.36`	`Yokalosh`	`well where do you want me to copy the list from? i cant copy it from the bootloader thing`
`08:13.49`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Garden Grove. (whois)`
`08:13.50`	`liable`	`Yokalosh: /boot/grub/menu.lst`
`08:13.59`	`Yokalosh`	`ok`
`08:14.20`	`dimir`	`ke6isf: loc? I don't see any output telling me the location of that IP addr when I run that command. :-/`
`08:14.21`	`*** part/#debian basix (n=administ@202.134.177.122)`
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`08:14.43`	`ke6isf`	`dimir: It's the ICBM address.`
`08:15.07`	`OriginalGlitch`	`UCBM?`
`08:15.20`	`OriginalGlitch`	`I flush BM...`
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`08:16.49`	`ke6isf`	`OK, off to bed.`
`08:16.53`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Night.`
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`08:17.41`	`Yokalosh`	`here ya go`
`08:17.42`	`Yokalosh`	`http://pastebin.ca/19783`
`08:18.28`	`monsoon`	`hey folks I just plugged in a camera to usb, dmesg returns: usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using address 3, and altough there are no other usb devices (other than mouse) I cant seem to figure out which would be the camera to mount in /dev/`
`08:18.30`	`Yokalosh`	`every couple of times i boot it adds a new one`
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`08:19.16`	`Lafy`	`any idea how i fix winbindd spitting out Could not open a connection to THEALLIANCECA for \PIPE\lsarpc (NT_STATUS_DOMAIN_CONTROLLER_NOT_FOUND)?`
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`08:20.21`	`OriginalGlitch`	`monsoon: Maybe look for a file under /proc that'll tell ya?`
`08:21.23`	`liable`	`Yokalosh: thats fucking weird. and I have no idea. So you delete it from there, and they come back, just from doing a reboot?`
`08:21.32`	`Yokalosh`	`yup`
`08:21.38`	`Yokalosh`	`sometimes i dont even have to reboot`
`08:21.43`	`Yokalosh`	`i just reopen that file`
`08:21.48`	`Yokalosh`	`and they are back`
`08:22.05`	`Yokalosh`	`very strange`
`08:22.27`	`Yokalosh`	`its not a major problem its just one of those things that gets uber annoying ^^`
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`08:22.49`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Yokalosh: Maybe try chmodding it a-w and see what happens?`
`08:23.06`	`Yokalosh`	`ok`
`08:23.26`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Might be good to note the timestamp as well.`
`08:23.28`	`liable`	`after editing it`
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`08:24.43`	`Yokalosh`	`okily dokily`
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`08:25.08`	`Ayano`	`does anyone in here use vmware?`
`08:25.08`	`rata_away`	`hey, look this, it isn curious ? i just made an apt-get update, and look:`
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`08:25.32`	`rata_away`	`ebian:/home/rodrigo# aptitude search xorg`
`08:25.32`	`rata_away`	`v xserver-xorg -`
`08:25.32`	`rata_away`	`debian:/home/rodrigo# apt-cache search xorg`
`08:25.32`	`rata_away`	`matrox-tvout - configure a Matrox G550 for NTSC TV output`
`08:25.33`	`*** kick/#debian [rata_away!N=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood)`
`08:25.58`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Whoops.`
`08:26.03`	`A-Tuin\|work`	`;)`
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`08:26.18`	`A-Tuin\|work`	`why would packages be held back on an upgrade?`
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`08:26.30`	`sep`	`Yokalosh, if you'd read your own meny.lst file you would notice the txt that say ! # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST`
`08:26.32`	`OriginalGlitch`	`WB`
`08:26.58`	`OriginalGlitch`	`A-Tuin\|work: Good question - I've got 12 of them that are "held back".`
`08:27.06`	`Yokalosh`	`sep: meaning?`
`08:27.21`	`sep`	`Yokalosh, you want your windows stanca before the line that say ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST`
`08:27.35`	`ice_1963`	`wich is a good Desktop kde or gnome ????`
`08:27.44`	`pureone`	`fluxbox`
`08:27.50`	`Ecligprs`	`xfce4`
`08:27.53`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Bowman.`
`08:27.59`	`liable`	`eh, I havent ever had win before automagic bit.`
`08:28.01`	`Ecligprs`	`!start wm war`
`08:28.06`	`Ecligprs`	`:<`
`08:28.13`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Heheh.`
`08:28.17`	`s_ward`	`!start a wm war`
`08:28.17`	`dpkg`	`blackbox blows!`
`08:28.24`	`Ecligprs`	`bah`
`08:28.27`	`s_ward`	`:)`
`08:28.34`	`s_ward`	`Linux console :)`
`08:28.40`	`Yokalosh`	`ok cheers`
`08:28.41`	`Yokalosh`	`ciao`
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`08:28.52`	`ice_1963`	`ok`
`08:28.57`	`ice_1963`	`lol`
`08:29.15`	`OriginalGlitch`	`ice_1963: That your birth year?`
`08:29.33`	`ice_1963`	`yes it is`
`08:29.34`	`Ecligprs`	`!tell AwayWolf about away`
`08:29.38`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Wow - another old fart. Welcome! ;)`
`08:29.55`	`ice_1963`	`:0(`
`08:30.07`	`AwayWolf`	`Ecligprs: don't be an ass, it's a nick, not a global away notice`
`08:30.17`	`Ecligprs`	`same thing`
`08:30.22`	`OriginalGlitch`	`ice_1963: Mee two - just hit the magic age a few weeks ago.`
`08:30.40`	`Ecligprs`	`unless it's your usual nick, in which case I'm sorry`
`08:30.53`	`Ecligprs`	`year 42 was almost 2000 years ago`
`08:30.59`	`s_ward`	`Ecligprs, tell your IRC client to hide nick changes`
`08:31.03`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Not for me.`
`08:31.07`	`Ecligprs`	`s_ward, why`
`08:31.16`	`Ecligprs`	`away nicks are just as bad as away messages`
`08:31.20`	`Ecligprs`	`even worse`
`08:31.59`	`s_ward`	`Ecligprs, I don't see how, considering to hide global away messages you have to IGNORE the person, to hide nick changes, you just change an option in your client`
`08:32.21`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Bah...malware scanner deleted files that BearShare needs to run. St00pid adware...`
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`08:32.59`	`Ecligprs`	`s_ward, if someone wants to message him, one needs to know his current name (which might not be the usual nickname he uses)`
`08:32.59`	`A-Tuin\|work`	`but an away msg doesn't need to be repeated, it's ok the first time imo`
`08:33.11`	`Valen`	`42 is a good number afterall`
`08:33.24`	`Ecligprs`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:33.30`	`Ecligprs`	`no need for public aways or nicks`
`08:33.31`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Valen: Yeppers.`
`08:33.53`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Dang...looks like BearShare uninstalled itself.`
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`08:38.59`	`tosh`	`Im trying to chroot ssh sessions, I set everything up using pam and made a filesystem for each user, but the user can still cd / to the mother filesystem... does ssh need to be patched for this?`
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`08:40.03`	`Ecligprs`	`!tell tosh about ssh chroot`
`08:40.08`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Look into restricted SSH.`
`08:40.23`	`OriginalGlitch`	`!tell OriginalGlitch about ssh chroot`
`08:40.38`	`Ecligprs`	`OriginalGlitch, you can just /msg dpkg something :)`
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`08:41.01`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Eclipser: I really don't know squat about what dpkg is capable of...`
`08:41.17`	`Ecligprs`	`it's capable of quite a lot of things`
`08:41.22`	`chriswk`	`!tell chriswk about ssh chroot`
`08:41.40`	`Ecligprs`	`I ask it a lot of questions and it knows an answer for most of them :p`
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`08:42.40`	`s_ward`	`Hehe, you're forgetting apt and ravenbird ;)`
`08:42.56`	`tosh`	`I don't need to mirror the entire system, just allow scp to the directory`
`08:42.58`	`llama32`	`anyone know of a high level language compiler that outputs forth code? like C >>> forth?`
`08:42.59`	`Ecligprs`	`I prefer dpkg :p`
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`08:43.03`	`tosh`	`so in this case it wouldn't be that much of a bad idea`
`08:43.09`	`initiate`	`hello`
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`08:43.40`	`TwistedEmotions`	`How do I find out what CPU0 and CPU1 is when I get a message from syslogd?`
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`08:44.01`	`initiate`	`how can i start downloading from a torrent under debian gnu ?`
`08:44.03`	`s_ward`	`I do admit, I have a semi-permanent window for /msg to dpkg`
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`08:44.53`	`s_ward`	`initiate, install bittorrent, bittornado, or similar`
`08:45.04`	`sep`	`s_ward, dosnt everyone have a permanent windows for dpkg ?`
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`08:45.10`	`initiate`	`i already did s_ward`
`08:45.21`	`initiate`	`apt-get install bittorrent`
`08:45.29`	`initiate`	`and after that i go to the tracker site`
`08:45.36`	`ServerList`	`anybody use vlc here?`
`08:45.37`	`initiate`	`but what do i do then ?`
`08:45.43`	`fatal_`	`!anybody use`
`08:45.43`	`dpkg`	`No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it.`
`08:45.47`	`s_ward`	`sep, unfortunately, I can't see everyone else's screens :)`
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`08:46.27`	`ServerList`	`dpkg huh why?`
`08:46.27`	`dpkg`	`Because!`
`08:46.33`	`ServerList`	`of what?`
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`08:46.59`	`fatal_`	`initiate: you eigther need to set up your browser to launch btdownloadsomething when you click a .torrent-link, or you copy the torrent link and run btdownload* manually from the command line.`
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`08:47.13`	`s_ward`	`ServerList, try asking dpkg who he is`
`08:47.21`	`vivek`	`hello all I have a dvd drive and a cd drive`
`08:47.25`	`fatal_`	`initiate: dpkg -L bittorrent`
`08:47.29`	`s_ward`	`ServerList, or what he is, even`
`08:47.47`	`vivek`	`debian has an fstab entry for only the cd writer ? ... is that normal ?`
`08:48.03`	`jm_`	`vivek: did you install using that drive?`
`08:48.11`	`initiate`	`thanks`
`08:48.25`	`vivek`	`hmmz i upgraded from woody to testing`
`08:48.34`	`initiate`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:48.37`	`vivek`	`i installed using a woody cd ...`
`08:48.42`	`jm_`	`yes it's normal`
`08:48.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ServerList: dpkg is a bot ;P`
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`08:49.02`	`deadcat`	`HAHAHAHA`
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`08:49.10`	`deadcat`	`!confuse all of us`
`08:49.11`	`dpkg`	`Yes, them is my snake today, all of us? pants of the republic of mongolia with extra cheese`
`08:49.11`	`ServerList`	`imnoob`
`08:49.24`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ServerList: No shit?`
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`08:49.33`	`ServerList`	`u use vlc?`
`08:49.45`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ServerList: Just ask your question... if someone knows answer they will tell you..`
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`08:49.52`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!tell ServerList about Just ask`
`08:49.55`	`deadcat`	`HHAHAHAH thats so embarassing.. ServerList, if i were you i would kill myself HAHAHAH`
`08:50.00`	`AlexW`	`hey all, im looking for some help using shaper`
`08:50.01`	`initiate`	`fatal_, dpkg No packages found matching bittorrent`
`08:50.31`	`AlexW`	`my network is eth0, its a 100mbit connection to a 1500/256k line, i want to cap my external ips at 20Kb/s`
`08:50.42`	`Danny_Lion`	`Meows! I finally installed 3.1r0a! It rocks!`
`08:50.42`	`AlexW`	`my network is 10.0.0.0/8`
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`08:50.56`	`AlexW`	`im using debian 3.1r0a`
`08:50.59`	`jm_`	`AlexW: read Advanced Routing HOWTO`
`08:51.27`	`AlexW`	`so dont use shaper?`
`08:51.37`	`Danny_Lion`	`AlexW: it's been hard for me to get the ISOs.`
`08:51.44`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!tell ServerList about just ask`
`08:51.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`fuck`
`08:51.50`	`Danny_Lion`	`And it's my first deb`
`08:51.52`	`TwistedEmotions`	`;P`
`08:52.00`	`AlexW`	`:P`
`08:52.02`	`deadcat`	`hahah.`
`08:52.02`	`TwistedEmotions`	`What is the damn command`
`08:52.10`	`ServerList`	`how do i get gui with vlc?`
`08:52.15`	`deadcat`	`ServerList: you rnick aint gonna fool anyone.`
`08:52.19`	`ServerList`	`when i run vlc i get no gui`
`08:52.20`	`Danny_Lion`	`Been using FC, MDK, Slackware, etc for 2 years`
`08:52.22`	`deadcat`	`ServerList: type vlc at the prompt`
`08:52.23`	`AlexW`	`jm_: so i dont need to use shaper?`
`08:52.32`	`ServerList`	`ok`
`08:52.32`	`deadcat`	`Danny_Lion: point?`
`08:52.37`	`ServerList`	`where is the vlc gui`
`08:52.42`	`ServerList`	`deadcat:`
`08:52.47`	`deadcat`	`ServerList:`
`08:52.50`	`jm_`	`AlexW: shaper is a helper script that you can use as a starting point`
`08:52.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ServerList: apt-get install wxvlc`
`08:52.52`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat:`
`08:52.55`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ServerList:`
`08:52.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`TwistedEmotions:`
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`08:53.42`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ServerList: Are you running a GUI?`
`08:54.01`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ServerList: apt-cache search mplayer`
`08:54.05`	`Danny_Lion`	`Oh, btw, go fsck the goddamn X.Org!!`
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`08:54.22`	`Danny_Lion`	`It's terrible`
`08:54.23`	`AlexW`	`is there a howto for shaper?`
`08:54.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ServerList: apt-get install mplayer-<whatever>`
`08:54.34`	`liable`	`!worship xorg`
`08:54.48`	`ServerList`	`howabout for gnome support`
`08:55.01`	`TwistedEmotions`	`bah.. gnite all.`
`08:55.03`	`OriginalGlitch`	`!worship me`
`08:55.09`	`Danny_Lion`	`f`
`08:55.16`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Heh. It's smarter than I thought. :)`
`08:55.30`	`Danny_Lion`	`xorg is broken by design`
`08:55.43`	`liable`	`why?`
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`08:56.38`	`Danny_Lion`	`compat issues... but at least it has some neat things like true transparency`
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`08:57.09`	`liable`	`nvivida?`
`08:57.13`	`fseek`	`hello`
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`08:59.02`	`positrix`	`i use mutt to read mail, and it keeps putting things into /home/simon/mbox once i've read it. htf do i re-read it?`
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`08:59.58`	`positrix`	`(ive been using cat, but lately the file is too big)`
`09:00.00`	`fatal_`	`positrix: c to open another mbox`
`09:00.06`	`Ecligprs`	`positrix, less /home/simon/mbox ?-p`
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`09:00.22`	`s_ward`	`damn, too slow`
`09:00.25`	`s_ward`	`!win Ecligprs`
`09:00.26`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, Ecligprs! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia!`
`09:00.35`	`Ecligprs`	`ouch`
`09:00.41`	`turlututu`	`someone knows how to solve this problem, i've got some very little fonts for the menu of some applications like xmms or amule`
`09:00.41`	`Ecligprs`	`well`
`09:00.46`	`Ecligprs`	`that's not very far actually`
`09:01.00`	`Ecligprs`	`neighbour, around 50~100km to go, I think`
`09:01.04`	`turlututu`	`it appears to be a problem with X`
`09:01.25`	`Ecligprs`	`turlututu, I had the same problem, I installed all fonts I could find and restarted X and it workd`
`09:01.27`	`fatal_`	`positrix: you can also add "set move=no" in ~/.muttrc to force mutt to not move the mails from your inbox to ~/...`
`09:01.36`	`turlututu`	`ho ok, thx`
`09:01.58`	`positrix`	`fatal_: thanks`
`09:02.49`	`tarzeau`	`say i want to binary patch an initrd.gz of debian isntaller (with an own built kernel module), i must have the kernel-source-2.4.27-2 and not -10 ?`
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`09:03.10`	`tarzeau`	`where would i get that if not from: http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi ?`
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`09:03.59`	`suppaman`	`hi`
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`09:04.23`	`suppaman`	`is there a live distribution with apache+php+mysql ready to run ?`
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`09:05.22`	`positrix`	`suppaman: lol, running a server off a live cd`
`09:05.51`	`tarzeau`	`positrix: nothing wrong with that, is there?`
`09:05.56`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Well, time for this one to hit the rack.`
`09:05.59`	`suppaman`	`positrix: isn't that funny`
`09:06.04`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Night, all.`
`09:06.15`	`Zap-W`	`is it just me or Mplayer dosent detect fribidi ?`
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`09:06.51`	`tarzeau`	`positrix: but i'd hate to update the cds for php every time`
`09:07.01`	`tarzeau`	`suppaman: what about you make one? #morphix`
`09:07.34`	`suppaman`	`tarzeau: a friend of mine asked my help to configure apache and mysql from remote`
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`09:08.02`	`billh`	`Is trying to install GNOME in unstable really just screwed these days ?`
`09:08.02`	`suppaman`	`tarzeau: he doesn't know a thing about linux, so if I could point him to a live distro I'd be rather happy`
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`09:08.18`	`tarzeau`	`billh: yes`
`09:08.20`	`tarzeau`	`!sid faq`
`09:08.20`	`dpkg`	`i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html`
`09:08.22`	`chocoIate`	`hi`
`09:08.34`	`tarzeau`	`suppaman: or point him to debian? and docs?`
`09:08.50`	`tarzeau`	`suppaman: if he wants it, he'll learn it`
`09:09.02`	`suppaman`	`tarzeau: that would not be a solution, he would keep asking me "what I need to type" "and now?" "and now?"`
`09:09.13`	`chocoIate`	`I lost all default themes that were installed by debian sarge`
`09:09.21`	`chocoIate`	`i'm am currently looking at the following list : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=theme&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all`
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`09:09.32`	`chocoIate`	`i use gnome desktop, are these gnome desktop themes`
`09:09.35`	`suppaman`	`and that, assumed that I cannot read the monitor of the computer is working on, would take LOOONG time`
`09:09.41`	`suppaman`	`he is`
`09:10.01`	`chocoIate`	`i installed the first package in that list, however i dont find that theme in my themes list, where is that package installed ?`
`09:10.17`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Y'know...I checked email just before going to bed. You won't believe this...and people are actually BIDDING on it! http://cgi.ebay.com/Wi-Fi-Speed-Spray-Dramatically-Increase-Data-Throughput_W0QQitemZ5797525716QQcategoryZ61815QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem`
`09:11.10`	`billh`	`unstable can be bad, but not as chronically bad as this as of late`
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`09:11.30`	`OriginalGlitch`	`billh: Know of a way to "downgrade" to stable?`
`09:11.39`	`billh`	`nope`
`09:11.51`	`suppaman`	`tarzeau: I wanted a quick and dirt solution`
`09:12.10`	`tarzeau`	`suppaman: and i don't have any`
`09:12.16`	`chocoIate`	`anybody read my issue ?`
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`09:12.41`	`OriginalGlitch`	`Okie...out again.`
`09:12.41`	`chocoIate`	`do you guys know in what folder the themes are installed`
`09:12.42`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: you had it in your home maybe?`
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`09:13.06`	`moonfisher`	`how can i search for a string in a bunch of files in a shell??`
`09:13.22`	`liraz`	`Is it possible to make gnome-panel all transparent. Including the 'window lists' and menus?`
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`09:13.52`	`chocoIate`	`tarzeau, well no, its not in home, i confirm there is a .theme hidden directory, but this is empty`
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`09:14.36`	`j0j0345`	`hallo`
`09:14.38`	`nkuttler`	`chocoIate: dpkg -L packagename`
`09:14.44`	`chocoIate`	`in gnome if i go in applicaitons - desktop preferences - theme dialog i normally would see a list of themes`
`09:15.06`	`chocoIate`	`this list is empty now with just two basic themes`
`09:15.15`	`j0j0345`	`kann mir jemand bei einem problem helfen? XServer`
`09:15.18`	`j0j0345`	`!`
`09:15.19`	`j0j0345`	`:)`
`09:15.25`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: it would be .gnome i guess`
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`09:15.26`	`nkuttler`	`!de`
`09:15.26`	`dpkg`	`from memory, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes...`
`09:15.30`	`chocoIate`	`i installed one of those packages, and the list is still empty, i figure i'd have to navigate to the theme that was installed`
`09:15.34`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: which package did you remove? and why?`
`09:15.36`	`Lewoco`	`I've set up an NFS server and the client can mount it, and list the contents of the mount, but the client tries to cp from the mount it keeps spitting out "server 192.168.69.70 not responding, still`
`09:15.36`	`Lewoco`	`trying`
`09:15.41`	`nkuttler`	`tarzeau: good morning`
`09:15.48`	`tarzeau`	`nkuttler: hi`
`09:15.50`	`liable`	`!info gnome-themes sarge`
`09:15.53`	`dpkg`	`gnome-themes: (official themes for the GNOME 2 desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 552 kB, Installed size: 1566 kB`
`09:15.57`	`j0j0345`	`hi`
`09:16.00`	`liable`	`chocoIate: ^^`
`09:16.17`	`j0j0345`	`plz help me`
`09:16.19`	`nkuttler`	`j0j0345: geh nach #debian.de, oder hier in englisch`
`09:16.21`	`moto1`	`don't tell me debian rocks so much that there is no way to view processor speed or ram size!`
`09:16.25`	`chocoIate`	`tarzeau, i dont know what got removed. It was aptitude that uninstalled and stripped my installation naked when i tried to install a package. I hit "yes" without reading the list of packages it would remove`
`09:16.38`	`liable`	`moto1: cat /proc/cpuinfo, top`
`09:16.38`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: sid?`
`09:16.41`	`chocoIate`	`why it did this beats me, fact is i am trying to reinstall everything now one by one`
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`09:16.55`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: gnome is a huge meta package, and read the topic and sid faq`
`09:17.06`	`chocoIate`	`thanks liable`
`09:17.16`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: gnome and kde will be doing that. ALWAYS, unless you stay on stable`
`09:17.16`	`chocoIate`	`sid faq ?`
`09:17.20`	`tarzeau`	`!sid faq`
`09:17.20`	`dpkg`	`sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html`
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`09:18.09`	`chocoIate`	`i have debian sarge, though an unstable release i have always kept it updated`
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`09:18.31`	`moto1`	`liable don't you think it's a little lame to use top just to find your ram size?`
`09:18.36`	`liable`	`chocoIate: cat /etc/debian_version`
`09:18.40`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: then you have unstable which is sid, read the faq`
`09:18.59`	`chocoIate`	`how do i make it stable ?`
`09:19.04`	`Rus0`	`Hi`
`09:19.08`	`liable`	`moto1: no, i can usually remember how much memory I have installed..`
`09:19.13`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: reinstall`
`09:19.19`	`chocoIate`	`the whole thing ?`
`09:19.22`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: yes`
`09:19.28`	`chocoIate`	`azzz`
`09:19.28`	`moto1`	`liable right, but suppose you have a large server farm`
`09:19.31`	`chocoIate`	`i cant do that :/`
`09:19.32`	`positrix`	`moto1: cat /proc/meminfo and stop trolling`
`09:19.39`	`chocoIate`	`it took ages to configure my pc the way i wanted`
`09:19.39`	`moto1`	`positrix thanks`
`09:19.44`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: did you read the sid faq?`
`09:19.52`	`chocoIate`	`not yet, i will now`
`09:19.53`	`moto1`	`perfect!`
`09:19.54`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: it'll always be like that, with gnome`
`09:19.59`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: don't use gnome then`
`09:20.09`	`chocoIate`	`or aptitude ?`
`09:20.15`	`yazid-work`	`if you want a "quiet" gnome on unstable, probably best to compile yourself an off-prefix gnome tree ;-)`
`09:20.21`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: no aptitude is fine. gnome is not`
`09:20.24`	`yazid-work`	`(not trivial)`
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`09:20.37`	`tarzeau`	`yazid-work: you do that?`
`09:20.45`	`Rus0`	`when I upgarade my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.12 should i create a modprobe.conf from the modules.conf file for debian?`
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`09:21.02`	`chocoIate`	`well, i have a different kernel, a 2.6 versus the default 2.4, does that make my version stable ?`
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`09:21.10`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: no`
`09:21.11`	`yazid-work`	`tarzeau: mumble pkgsrc on top of debian mumble mumble`
`09:21.20`	`tarzeau`	`yazid-work: netbsd pkgsrc?`
`09:21.34`	`liable`	`chocoIate: what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say?`
`09:21.35`	`rocky23`	`ive installed X and KDE how do i get the system to now startup with the kde login as default instead of the console login ?`
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`09:21.51`	`liable`	`rocky23: install kdm`
`09:21.55`	`tarzeau`	`yazid-work: would you like to talk about your setup on irc? pkgsrc on debian? kinda as in www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ ?`
`09:21.58`	`yazid-work`	`tarzeau: yep. usable on linux and solaris too!`
`09:22.02`	`chocoIate`	`liable, 3.1`
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`09:22.16`	`tarzeau`	`yazid-work: i know, including dependency handling, right?`
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`09:22.21`	`tsauter`	`hi all`
`09:22.22`	`liable`	`chocoIate: thats it?`
`09:22.28`	`chocoIate`	`yeah`
`09:22.39`	`chocoIate`	`just simply 3.1 is what i get replied back when running that command`
`09:22.41`	`rocky23`	`liable: thanks`
`09:23.03`	`chocoIate`	`debian:/home/alessandro# cat /etc/debian_version`
`09:23.05`	`chocoIate`	`3.1`
`09:23.15`	`yazid-work`	`tarzeau: I needed something to make off-prefix, nfs shared installs here. pkgsrc is best for that (since, unlike gentoo portage, it does proper prefix and shlib handling)`
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`09:23.45`	`chocoIate`	`is that a problem :o`
`09:23.46`	`liable`	`chocoIate: hmm, I thought it said more than that for sarge, but anyway, thats stable.`
`09:24.04`	`chocoIate`	`phew, so its aptitude messing up`
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`09:24.20`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: no`
`09:24.30`	`chocoIate`	`i am never going to use it again, just removed all packages when i tried to install gedit`
`09:24.31`	`liable`	`chocoIate: just to make sure, what do your sources list point to?`
`09:24.41`	`tarzeau`	`chocoIate: you hit enter`
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`09:24.59`	`chocoIate`	`they point to my 7cds, and a few other sources i added manually myself`
`09:25.02`	`chocoIate`	`want to see the list ?`
`09:25.11`	`chocoIate`	`i can paste it on pasebin site`
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`09:25.42`	`liable`	`chocoIate: no, as long as they say sarge/stable, not testing/etch or unstable/sid`
`09:26.18`	`chocoIate`	`http://pastebot.nd.edu/69`
`09:26.35`	`liable`	`aptitude can run a muck first time you use it. Theres a file you can delete, but i cant remember what it is.`
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`09:27.21`	`liable`	`chocoIate: you have testing sources..`
`09:27.40`	`Rus0`	`when I upgarade my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.12 should i create a modprobe.conf from the modules.conf file for debian?`
`09:27.50`	`chocoIate`	`yes, i dont rem why i put those there or if they were there by default`
`09:27.53`	`chocoIate`	`is that bad ?`
`09:27.58`	`liable`	`yes`
`09:28.26`	`chocoIate`	`what is an equivalent stable reference with which i can replace the testing reference ?`
`09:28.28`	`liable`	`chocoIate: well, testing isnt as bad as sid, but it is having some problems at the moment too.`
`09:28.45`	`liable`	`chocoIate: you cant downgrade.`
`09:29.14`	`chocoIate`	`so i am stuck with my current setup your saying`
`09:29.36`	`liable`	`chocoIate: yep, but if you ride it out, not too much should break :)`
`09:29.49`	`chocoIate`	`would removing the reference to testing fix or help at all ?`
`09:29.53`	`liable`	`no`
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`09:30.16`	`Rus0`	`when I upgarade my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.12 should i create a modprobe.conf from the modules.conf file for debian?`
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`09:30.31`	`liable`	`Rus0: no, you shouldnt have to do anything. and stop repeating`
`09:30.34`	`jm_`	`Rus0: why?`
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`09:31.19`	`ImTheOne`	`hello`
`09:31.33`	`ImTheOne`	`is there anyone to talk about debian for a beginner?`
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`09:32.19`	`chocoIate`	`so in short my problems arise from the fact that i initially added a reference to the testing sources, and now removing it wont help and everytime i try to install a package via aptitude it will try to remove packages as it did recently stripping down my installation and there is no way to fix this and i'd have to live with this ?`
`09:32.28`	`sep`	`ImTheOne, there are 567 people in here that can answerr spesific questions`
`09:32.32`	`silbhe`	`chocolate: remove all testing things from your sources.list and put in the /etc/apt/preferences file : Package: *`
`09:32.36`	`liable`	`haha`
`09:32.46`	`Rus0`	`well because for some dist you have to`
`09:33.00`	`silbhe`	`pingouin_: release a=stable`
`09:33.05`	`Rus0`	`that's all i got from google`
`09:33.07`	`silbhe`	`Pin-Priority: 1001`
`09:33.27`	`pingouin_`	`huuhhuu who wake me up ? ;)`
`09:33.40`	`silbhe`	`then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade`
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`09:34.02`	`Rus0`	`I was repeating becayse i didnt get an answer`
`09:34.08`	`ImTheOne`	`sep: I'm sick and tired of the WinXP, woill you recomment Debian for me?`
`09:34.18`	`silbhe`	`sorry`
`09:34.18`	`koji-sama`	`Hi, I did a netinstall and manually selected the kde-core package. Is there anything else that I need to run KDE?`
`09:34.19`	`liable`	`!tell Rus0 about repeat`
`09:34.30`	`pingouin_`	`ImTheOne: we always recommend anything than win*`
`09:34.42`	`pingouin_`	`ImTheOne: run amiga instead of win**`
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`09:34.49`	`pingouin_`	`ImTheOne: or c64 computer... ;)`
`09:35.04`	`pingouin_`	`silbhe: ;) joking ;) fucking tab completion :D`
`09:35.06`	`chocoIate`	`silbhe, i dont have a preferences file in /etc/apt`
`09:35.09`	`Rus0`	`right ))`
`09:35.12`	`ImTheOne`	`i know they are more stable than Win ; )`
`09:35.17`	`chocoIate`	`in /etc/apt all ihave is : apt.conf.d sources.list`
`09:35.32`	`pingouin_`	`ImTheOne: it's not only �stability� it's ...�free�`
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`09:35.39`	`silbhe`	`creat it!`
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`09:36.04`	`chocoIate`	`and what i do add in this file, does it need an extention too ?`
`09:36.12`	`chocoIate`	`just Package: * ?`
`09:36.24`	`koji-sama`	`can anyone help me?`
`09:36.40`	`vladuz976`	`can anybody help? what does this mean? man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct`
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`09:37.03`	`ImTheOne`	`ok, so I just download files from a server and then format c: and put a cd in the drive and that's it?`
`09:37.04`	`silbhe`	`Package: *`
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`09:37.15`	`silbhe`	`pingouin_: release a=stable`
`09:37.28`	`silbhe`	`Pin-Priority: 1001`
`09:37.41`	`chocoIate`	`by the way, i just did an apt-get for a package but its so big, i want to cancel it now`
`09:37.44`	`pingouin_`	`silbhe: do you want to marry me :D`
`09:37.49`	`chocoIate`	`how do i cancel :P`
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`09:37.51`	`koji-sama`	`As of now I'm running from a console and I can't get kde to start. Help the noob -_-`
`09:37.57`	`chocoIate`	`just close the terminal will do ?`
`09:37.59`	`silbhe`	`harrrr`
`09:38.01`	`pingouin_`	`:D`
`09:38.16`	`suppaman`	`bye`
`09:38.17`	`pingouin_`	`it's not you're day ;) silbhe go back in bed ;)`
`09:38.18`	`chocoIate`	`sorry for my noob questions, but in effect i'm a debian noob :P`
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`09:38.23`	`initiate`	`where can i find the installed bittorrent program so i can start it manually ?`
`09:38.25`	`tarzeau`	`someone using a later forcedeth.c/.o on the debian-installer 2.4.27?`
`09:38.33`	`pingouin_`	`chocoIate: we've all started somewhere ;)`
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`09:38.46`	`chocoIate`	`thanks for support :P`
`09:38.47`	`tarzeau`	`i built the one from 2.4.31 on 2.4.27 source but i get unresolved symbols trying to load it`
`09:38.53`	`jm_`	`koji-sama: uhm you need startkde`
`09:39.00`	`koji-sama`	`tried that`
`09:39.06`	`koji-sama`	`here i'll try again`
`09:39.06`	`liable`	`initiate: should be able to just call it.`
`09:39.09`	`pingouin_`	`chocoIate: hit ctrl+c`
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`09:39.17`	`initiate`	`liable, but how ?`
`09:39.30`	`liable`	`initiate: from a term`
`09:39.38`	`chocoIate`	`beautiful, that did it, thanks pingouin_`
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`09:39.48`	`initiate`	`what's the command ?`
`09:39.56`	`koji-sama`	`hm`
`09:40.17`	`liable`	`initiate: erm, bittorent (if its bittorent)`
`09:40.18`	`calmar`	`Hi all, my mouse, when I turn the wheel, always scrolls 2times. There is not somebody just knowing about a problem like this? when not, it's most probably my mouse's fault - need to get another one.`
`09:40.25`	`koji-sama`	`now im getting "kdepersonalizer:can not connect to xserver"`
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`09:40.36`	`sparkx`	`hi everybody`
`09:40.41`	`initiate`	`bash: bittorent: command not found`
`09:40.53`	`initiate`	sorry,i`m very new to this :/
`09:41.03`	`liable`	`initiate: dpkg -l bittorent`
`09:41.10`	`initiate`	`i tried that liable`
`09:41.15`	`koji-sama`	`ugh`
`09:41.19`	`liable`	`initiate: is it there?`
`09:41.26`	`initiate`	`uh ,....`
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`09:41.44`	`initiate`	`i suppose i spelled it worng ... i thought it's dpkg -l bittorrent`
`09:41.49`	`initiate`	`double t and r ...`
`09:41.56`	`liable`	`sec`
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`09:42.08`	`initiate`	`dpkg ii bittorent 2.7-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package`
`09:42.11`	`ServerList`	`how to start vlc with wxwindows`
`09:42.12`	`initiate`	`what to do with this ?`
`09:42.35`	`initiate`	`i installed bittorent and bittornado ... i think`
`09:42.43`	`initiate`	`apt-get install bittorrent`
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`09:42.48`	`sparkx`	`if you want to use bittorrent...`
`09:42.49`	`initiate`	`apt-get install bittornado`
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`09:42.59`	`initiate`	`that's what i've done so far`
`09:43.00`	`liable`	`initiate: hmm, I dont have it, so I am guessing, just typing it should run it, if all else fails, read the man page :)`
`09:43.02`	`jm_`	`the binary is not called bittorrent ...`
`09:43.05`	`sparkx`	`btdownload* nameofyourfile.torrent`
`09:43.09`	`jm_`	`indeed`
`09:43.21`	`sparkx`	`where * could be curses or headless`
`09:43.23`	`liable`	`ahh`
`09:43.27`	`initiate`	`sparkx, that in term ?`
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`09:43.45`	`sparkx`	`initiate, try this:`
`09:43.59`	`sparkx`	`btdownloadcurses filename.torrent`
`09:44.03`	`ImTheOne`	`hey, i've got [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] what should i chose?`
`09:44.07`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 587] by debhelper`
`09:44.18`	`sparkx`	`where "filename.torrent" is the name of your downloaded torrent file.`
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`09:44.39`	`initiate`	`yeah`
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`09:44.49`	`initiate`	i`ll try it,thanks
`09:45.13`	`aidehua`	`Can gnuplot plot time data (x) against time data (y)?`
`09:45.18`	`initiate`	`error(s):[12:45:04] rejected by tracker - Missing pass key`
`09:45.40`	`initiate`	`that's what i get sparkx .... how can i identify to the tracker under linux ?`
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`09:46.31`	`sparkx`	`initiate, i don't know.`
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`09:46.39`	`sparkx`	`initiate, try reading the manpages`
`09:46.45`	`initiate`	`ok`
`09:46.50`	`initiate`	`thanks,afk`
`09:46.53`	`sparkx`	`:)`
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`09:48.11`	`calmar`	`ImTheOne: ?`
`09:48.36`	`solars`	`hey, I want to connect my digital camera as a storage device, usbview and lsusb shows me that device, usb-storage is in the kernel, but I don't get a /dev/sda1, what could be wrong here ?`
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`09:49.28`	`jm_`	`you also need SCSI disk support`
`09:49.30`	`fatal_`	`solars: which brand is your camera? (maybe it's not following the usb storage specification at all)`
`09:49.48`	`solars`	`jm_, I have SCSI generic and disk support in the kernel`
`09:49.52`	`solars`	`its a canon 350d`
`09:50.27`	`koji-sama`	`hm, okay. I try "startkde" and it gives me that it can't communicate with the xserver`
`09:50.38`	`fatal_`	`solars: seems like you're fucked by canon yet again...`
`09:50.42`	`fatal_`	`solars: use gphoto2`
`09:50.52`	`solars`	`fatal_, okay I'll try it`
`09:51.13`	`jm_`	`solars: AFAIK not all canons are usb-storage devices`
`09:51.31`	`fatal_`	`solars: (I wonder if any canon camera follows the usb storage spec.... Ixus doesn't, and yours doesn't seem to.)`
`09:51.39`	`koji-sama`	`any suggestions?`
`09:51.40`	`tsauter`	`could someone tell me which process rotates the /var/log/mail.* logfiles on a daily base? logrotate doesn't have a config file for this and /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd only rotate /var/log/{syslog,auth.log}`
`09:51.47`	`sparkx`	`koji-sama, what are you trying to do?`
`09:51.51`	`koji-sama`	`start up kde`
`09:52.18`	`jm_`	`koji-sama: you don't start it on console ...`
`09:52.18`	`solars`	`jm_, I just tried it on my fathers windows box, it worked without drivers ... that why I thought it might work under linux as a storage device`
`09:52.20`	`liable`	`koji-sama: do you not want a graphical login?`
`09:52.26`	`jm_`	`you stick it into ~/.xsession`
`09:52.36`	`sparkx`	`or put it in .xinitrc`
`09:52.44`	`jm_`	`don't use .xinitrc`
`09:52.54`	`koji-sama`	`kde?`
`09:53.21`	`solars`	`fatal_, have you tried it with gphoto2 ?`
`09:53.32`	`chocoIate`	`in debian sarge, what are the packages in the non-free folder`
`09:53.38`	`fatal_`	`solars: I've tried an Ixus with gphoto2...`
`09:53.46`	`fatal_`	`solars: yours I just googled for.`
`09:53.54`	`chocoIate`	`what does non-free mean exactly, what about those packages is not free :o`
`09:53.54`	`liable`	`kde can be a pain in the ass to start. (without a dm)`
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`09:54.10`	`fatal_`	`solars: try "linux <device-name>" and you'll almost always get good guides.`
`09:54.16`	`jm_`	`they're not free according to DSG, you can read about this on the web page`
`09:54.16`	`fatal_`	`solars: on google that is.`
`09:54.44`	`solars`	`fatal_, gphoto2 --list-cameras says: "Canon EOS 350D (PTP mode)`
`09:54.48`	`solars`	`fatal_, that soundsgood`
`09:55.05`	`koji-sama`	`so how do i go about installing kde to start up with a graphical login`
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`09:55.15`	`liable`	`install kdm`
`09:55.16`	`jm_`	`people who don't know how to use google should not be allowed to buy such a good camera`
`09:55.26`	`liable`	`hehe`
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`09:55.55`	`tosh`	`anyone know a more subtle way of securely tunneling udp traffic (instead of running it through netcat to transform it into tcp and then tunneling it using ssh or stunnel)`
`09:56.17`	`fatal_`	`tosh: ipsec`
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`09:56.29`	`chocoIate`	`ok jm_`
`09:56.31`	`tosh`	`fatal_ can openvpn do client-to-site?`
`09:56.48`	`fatal_`	`tosh: I don't know... openvpn isn't ipsec...`
`09:57.02`	`koji-sama`	`liable, i already have kdm installed`
`09:57.08`	`subgv`	`how do I update my modules? I forgot the command`
`09:57.39`	`fatal_`	`tosh: for real ipsec you want something like openswan.... unfortunately it's not very easy to configure...`
`09:57.49`	`vivek`	`what's the free equivalent of win4lin for linux ?`
`09:58.16`	`fatal_`	`wine, qemu, bochs, xen, ...`
`09:58.27`	`liable`	`koji-sama: then its prolly an x configuration issue.`
`09:58.43`	`vivek`	`qemu or bochs which one of these is faster ?`
`09:58.45`	`tosh`	`fatal_ I need something that windows clients can connect to.. trying to tunnel games :)`
`09:58.49`	`tosh`	`fatal_ how about pptp?`
`09:59.07`	`vivek`	`i think i can rule out xen running linux ...`
`09:59.18`	`vivek`	`tosh: there is an rdesktop equivalent ...`
`09:59.32`	`vivek`	`or maybe its called rdesktop ...`
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`09:59.35`	`koji-sama`	`how do i go about getting it fixed?`
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`09:59.41`	`tosh`	`vivek don't need rdesktop-ish things, I need to tunnel udp traffic`
`09:59.51`	`tosh`	`vivek like I said, I want to tunnel traffic generated by games`
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`10:00.01`	`Roch`	`hi`
`10:00.08`	`fatal_`	`tosh: you can do l2tp (which windows supports natively AFAIK, but it's not secure... no encryption at all AFAIK) with openswan.... otherwise get a third party ipsec application like windows... limiting yourself to built in applications in windows won't get you anywhere.`
`10:00.08`	`vivek`	`i dunno in that case ;)`
`10:00.09`	`tosh`	`but as these games are very unsecure, I want people to login first using whatever means and then connect`
`10:00.25`	`tosh`	`fatal_ if I use pptp with encryption?`
`10:00.40`	`liable`	`!drxx koji-sama`
`10:00.41`	`dpkg`	`koji-sama: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) \|\| if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`10:00.44`	`Roch`	`I'd like to install xmovie, but "apt-get install xmovie" doesn't find the package. I have a line "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" in /etc/apt/sources.list and I have run apt-get update; shouldn't that be enough?`
`10:01.51`	`fatal_`	`tosh: I don't have any pptp applications to recommend on the linux side... basically, I try to stick with the standardised stuff when it exists... usually best in the long run.`
`10:01.51`	`tosh`	`mmm`
`10:01.51`	`tosh`	`might try poptop`
`10:02.08`	`koji-sama`	`hm`
`10:02.24`	`tosh`	`mmm openvpn apparantly supports windows clients`
`10:02.29`	`koji-sama`	`dpkging it says it wasnt installed so try installing it yes.`
`10:02.44`	`Roch`	`anyone, please? this is certainly a trivial question`
`10:02.51`	`liable`	`koji-sama: apt-get install x-window-system`
`10:03.19`	`jm_`	`Roch: don't use xmovie`
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`10:03.37`	`jm_`	`Roch: and anyway, /msg dpkg contrib`
`10:04.17`	`Roch`	`jm_, thanks. but what should I use then ?`
`10:04.40`	`Gavrila`	`has anyone tried beagle in sid?`
`10:05.01`	`koji-sama`	`installing it goes`
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`10:05.28`	`Roch`	`jm_, I've already done what dpkg tells me.`
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`10:08.03`	`Roch`	`is there any package in stable/main to play movies anyway?`
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`10:08.46`	`Scorp`	`I uninstalled sendmail yet I'm still getting emails from cron with sendmail in them... anyone know what I can do about it?...`
`10:09.02`	`Ecligprs`	`Roch, totem?`
`10:09.10`	`kneet`	`Scorp, look in /etc/cron.d and /etc/cron.daily`
`10:09.12`	`hound`	`Roch, of course, try xine, gstreamer, alsaplayer`
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`10:09.17`	`Scorp`	`kneet: yep deleted them`
`10:09.23`	`kneet`	`Might be something in weekly too`
`10:09.34`	`Scorp`	`I'm pretty sure I got everything in those dirs`
`10:09.36`	`kneet`	`Scorp, OK - after I deleted those files the messages stopped :)`
`10:09.38`	`Scorp`	`I'll double check`
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`10:10.08`	`Scorp`	`oh /etc/cron.d/sendmail still exists :D`
`10:10.11`	`Roch`	`thanks, I'll try them`
`10:10.13`	`Scorp`	`cheets kneet`
`10:10.17`	`Scorp`	`cheers kneet*`
`10:10.26`	`kneet`	`Scorp, you've just gone thru the exact same process as I did last week :)`
`10:10.30`	`Scorp`	`lol`
`10:10.47`	`Scorp`	`well thanks for passing on the knowledge and keeping open source alive!`
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`10:11.02`	`Scorp`	`did you have to restart cron?`
`10:11.05`	`kneet`	`No`
`10:11.19`	`kneet`	`Cron does a "run all files I find in a given dir" for those dirs`
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`10:11.47`	`Scorp`	`cool :D`
`10:12.02`	`Scorp`	`hey you don't happen to know is exim4 does the same with virtual domains do you?`
`10:12.45`	`Danny_Lion`	`hms... I'm new to Debian, can somebody e.`
`10:12.46`	`Danny_Lion`	`e.`
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`10:12.50`	`Danny_Lion`	`fsck!`
`10:13.12`	`james`	`Im having troubles installing my video drivers`
`10:13.17`	`Danny_Lion`	`explain me how to do full dist upgrade?`
`10:13.35`	`subgv`	`!tell Danny_Lion about upgrade`
`10:14.25`	`james`	`I have a (Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS, 910GML Express Chipset Family)`
`10:14.42`	`Danny_Lion`	`hm`
`10:14.55`	`james`	`I install the drivers and it tells me to edit the XF86Config to set the video driver to i810 and X wont start`
`10:15.01`	`vivek`	`james you can run osx on it congratulations ;)`
`10:15.29`	`james`	`Well, I don't want osx... sniff`
`10:15.30`	`Danny_Lion`	`knew that.. but I don't have a persistent Net connection?`
`10:15.43`	`Danny_Lion`	`have only a dialup`
`10:15.50`	`james`	`X says that no device was found when it crashes`
`10:15.54`	`james`	`Any ideas?`
`10:16.02`	`vivek`	`james what is the error you get ? when you start x ...`
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`10:16.19`	`vivek`	`james post the error somewhere ... but not in here`
`10:16.24`	`james`	`like no device or some such`
`10:16.28`	`james`	`its just one error`
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`10:16.42`	`vivek`	`james: what does it say above the error ?`
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`10:17.03`	`james`	`ill go ahead and reproduce the error, ill be back, anything else i should look for?`
`10:17.22`	`vivek`	`james: its in your log`
`10:17.27`	`Danny_Lion`	`Btw, is 3.1r0a considered testing?`
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`10:17.32`	`james`	`where would that be? remind me`
`10:18.01`	`jm_`	`Roch: use mplayer`
`10:18.15`	`Ecligprs`	`mplayer is not in debian though :p`
`10:18.18`	`james`	`vivek where would the log for x server be?`
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`10:18.28`	`Danny_Lion`	`can I upgrade to testing?`
`10:18.29`	`chocoIate`	`wow`
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`10:18.51`	`vivek`	`Danny_Lion: you can ... but do you need to ?`
`10:18.58`	`faber2`	`help: i cannot logon to my server anymore. ssh says "connection close". i still have another session open. nothing in the logs on the remote machine. what can i do?`
`10:19.04`	`chocoIate`	`this new high contrast inverse theme looks excellent`
`10:19.04`	`vivek`	`Roch: you can get it from unofficial debian resp`
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`10:19.20`	`vivek`	`#mplayer unofficial`
`10:19.21`	`vivek`	`deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main`
`10:19.26`	`vivek`	`add this to your sources.list`
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`10:20.08`	`faber2`	`can i restart sshd without loosing an existing ssh session to that server?`
`10:20.25`	`Danny_Lion`	`well.. I use 3.1r0a, it's stable now, but it seems I've grabbed it from testing... or?`
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`10:20.59`	`Danny_Lion`	`really should be stable`
`10:21.14`	`dimir`	`faber2: well, I'd recommend to open temperarily a telnet port while you are fixing ssh.`
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`10:21.31`	`dimir`	`faber2: of course, for your host only.`
`10:21.43`	`Danny_Lion`	`minute`
`10:21.49`	`faber2`	`dimir: what do you mean of course? for my host only?`
`10:21.58`	`Danny_Lion`	`oh, those g*d d\`
`10:22.26`	`faber2`	`dimir: i never used telnet(d)? how do i install this is debian? inetd?`
`10:23.02`	`Danny_Lion`	`faber2: it restarts without killing an existing session`
`10:23.08`	`slackd00d`	`my mbr got messed up and now im booted a live cd and chroot'd into my debian partition, how do i fix grub?`
`10:23.11`	`james`	`vivek i have the log`
`10:23.29`	`james`	`(II) I810: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100,`
`10:23.29`	`james`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:23.29`	`james`	`(II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:02:0`
`10:23.29`	`james`	`(--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device`
`10:23.29`	`james`	`(WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found`
`10:23.29`	`james`	`(EE) No devices detected.`
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`10:23.32`	`dimir`	`faber2: try installing telnetd`
`10:23.41`	`james`	`vivek did you get that?`
`10:23.56`	`Danny_Lion`	`slackd00d: /sbin/grub-install /dev/whatever`
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`10:24.37`	`slackd00d`	`Danny_Lion: thank you`
`10:24.40`	`vivek`	`james your bus id is wrong`
`10:24.57`	`james`	`vivek what does that mean?`
`10:25.00`	`vivek`	`james try lspci -x`
`10:25.08`	`vivek`	`and put you what you get as the bus id`
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`10:25.14`	`jm_`	`it means you shouldn't have entered it in first place`
`10:25.30`	`james`	`i did not enter anything`
`10:25.40`	`Danny_Lion`	`james: for AGP its often PCI:1:0:0`
`10:26.02`	`james`	`0000:00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. Mobile Graphics Controller (rev 03)`
`10:26.06`	`james`	`Is that it?`
`10:26.22`	`jm_`	`then why does it mention that?`
`10:26.39`	`Danny_Lion`	`Yes, it is`
`10:26.43`	`vivek`	`PCI:0:2:0 ...`
`10:26.55`	`Danny_Lion`	`It'd be 0:2:0`
`10:26.57`	`vivek`	`2.1 might not be 0:2:1 ...`
`10:27.05`	`jm_`	`it might also mean it doesn't detect the card, you need AGP modules for i810 crap`
`10:27.06`	`vivek`	`rather should not be`
`10:27.14`	`Danny_Lion`	`or 0:2:1`
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`10:27.34`	`vivek`	`james try 0:2:0`
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`10:27.50`	`james`	`vivek how do i set that?`
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`10:27.56`	`james`	`Is it in X config?`
`10:28.03`	`vivek`	`yes`
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`10:28.20`	`Danny_Lion`	`Device section`
`10:28.25`	`vivek`	`dpkg-configure if you want the debian way or just edit /etc/X11/XF86*`
`10:28.51`	`Danny_Lion`	`Option "BusID" "0:2:0"`
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`10:29.34`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: Hey again!`
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`10:29.46`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: hi`
`10:29.47`	`Danny_Lion`	`Oh, that Palm GPRS connection is so sloooow....`
`10:29.57`	`james`	`Ok, im gona try again`
`10:30.01`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: im glad that you are here again :)`
`10:30.21`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: got squid running yesterday... :) i found the problem why it wasnt working.`
`10:30.53`	`Danny_Lion`	`if you'd visit Russia someday, blame the Bee Line GSM, it's a national tradition`
`10:30.56`	`Danny_Lion`	`:)`
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`10:31.21`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: squid was running with user proxy.. and the cache dir was owned by "nobody" ;) i corrected the problem and woila it worked fine :) now the next thing is to filtering.`
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`10:31.38`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: why was it running as user proxy?`
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`10:31.58`	`james`	`Nope, still same problem`
`10:32.02`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: it was the default for squid..`
`10:32.29`	`spf`	`does someone know how to install the patch located at: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321721 ?`
`10:32.49`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: default works`
`10:33.02`	`james`	`Its still giving the same warning`
`10:33.23`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: it seems that it didnt work for me :)`
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`10:33.43`	`james`	`No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found`
`10:33.51`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: actually the problem is that /var/spool/squid should be owned by proxy`
`10:34.04`	`vivek`	`james lsmod \| grep i810`
`10:34.22`	`vivek`	`james then try modprobe -l \| i810`
`10:34.27`	`james`	`only audio`
`10:34.33`	`vivek`	`but i don't think you need that ...`
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`10:34.50`	`hmakholm`	`oops.`
`10:35.01`	`james`	`the video driver exists`
`10:35.05`	`james`	`but is not loaded`
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`10:35.14`	`jm_`	`you need agpgart support for i810 crap`
`10:35.19`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok, i see but i did as all guide told me too :)`
`10:35.44`	`james`	`jm_ It comes with agpgart, does it not install it when you run the install.sh?`
`10:35.44`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: don't do that next time`
`10:35.51`	`jm_`	`james: install.sh?`
`10:36.06`	`james`	`The driver bundle comes with an installer`
`10:36.16`	`jm_`	`what driver bundle?`
`10:36.24`	`james`	`Would you like me to link you?`
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`10:36.30`	`jm_`	`good enough`
`10:36.33`	`james`	`Its off the intel website`
`10:36.41`	`james`	`Ill have to start x, one sec`
`10:36.53`	`jm_`	`you should try without that first`
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`10:37.07`	`james`	`How do you mean?`
`10:37.14`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok, maybe i should change back to proxy as owner?`
`10:37.18`	`james`	`oops`
`10:37.19`	`jm_`	`XFree86 supports i810`
`10:37.22`	`jm_`	`so does X.org`
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`10:37.35`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: yes, you should - otherwise you may have problems when upgading`
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`10:39.51`	`bin`	`hello, where can I find a voice recognition program?`
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`10:40.34`	`otnay`	`hello every one`
`10:40.41`	`spf`	`jm_: do you know how to install the patch located at : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321721 ?`
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`10:41.03`	`overlade`	`hi all :)`
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`10:41.31`	`colde89`	`wich module is to use for a pcmcia-networkcard ?`
`10:41.32`	`jm_`	`spf: let me read it`
`10:41.40`	`james`	`The link to the drivers is http://support.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-020149.htm`
`10:41.40`	`spf`	`k`
`10:42.06`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: done. :)`
`10:42.12`	`jm_`	`spf: to openssl`
`10:42.16`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: now i want to begin with this filtering.`
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`10:43.15`	`cooly`	`hi. does anyone here have kernel 2.6 config optimized (tested) for hp proliant dl380?`
`10:43.18`	`solars`	`fatal_ ?`
`10:43.18`	`otnay`	`hello angel-sl`
`10:44.04`	`spf`	`jm_: yea, but what specific file?`
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`10:44.19`	`mike-m`	`hello, how can I executed scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d only for ppp0 ?`
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`10:44.30`	`spf`	`I tried to use patch -i <patchfile>`
`10:45.52`	`james`	`jm_ whenever you get the chance, i posted the link to those drivers you wanted`
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`10:47.33`	`jm_`	`spf: filename is already in the diff itself`
`10:47.46`	`jm_`	`james: yeah I would try without using that stuff first`
`10:47.48`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: so... where to begin?`
`10:47.53`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: install privoxy`
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`10:48.54`	`jm_`	`spf: grab Debian source package, unpack it, apply the patch, build binaries, replace the installed packages generated from it with your custom built ones`
`10:49.10`	`jtza8`	`I'd like to use a black background when X starts, I can do this by passing the X server the -br option. Is there a resource that I can set in .Xdefaults? If not where would I set it.`
`10:49.12`	`james`	`jm_ what do you mean?`
`10:49.13`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: installed.. :)`
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`10:51.39`	`jm_`	`james: reinstall Debian packages that contain files that were replaced by Intel drivers`
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`10:52.21`	`ssm`	`jtza8: You could set "xsetroot -solid black" in your .xinitrc, or equivalent`
`10:52.39`	`Orfeous`	`and then? :)`
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`10:53.00`	`james`	`jm_ is there some easy way to know what packages to reinstall?`
`10:53.18`	`umbop`	`hey guys, is it true about debian wanting to go into their own, and basically create their own kernel, so they have a complete OS to themselves?`
`10:53.41`	`jm_`	`james: I'm affraid not, one option would be to run sh -x ./install.sh and read through the output`
`10:54.01`	`ssm`	`umbop: no, there is No Such Conspiracy, and you should never ask that question. :P`
`10:54.38`	`umbop`	`hmm thats what i was told. That at the moment, obviously the kernel is GNU, but they are wanting to create their own kernel, a bit like BSD to have a separte entity`
`10:54.42`	`umbop`	`separate`
`10:54.57`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: and how do i continue from that?`
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`10:55.23`	`Scorp`	`does anyone know where the start/stop daemons are in Debian?`
`10:55.35`	`umbop`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:56.46`	`keith`	`Debian3.1. I am planning on a new computer. Is the AMD Athlon 64 series OK.`
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`10:57.06`	`ssm`	`keith: the release is called "Sar`
`10:57.30`	`ssm`	`...`
`10:58.27`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: configure privoxy the way it's described in the docs`
`10:58.45`	`jm_`	`keikoz: you can always send it to me if you will find it bad ;)`
`10:58.52`	`ssm`	`keith: the release is called "Sarge", and the AMD CPUs are fine. As far as I know, that release does not have an official amd64 port, but it will run with x86 code`
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`10:59.01`	`keikoz`	`hu ?`
`10:59.08`	`keikoz`	`ah, tab`
`10:59.10`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok, im gonna try then come back here.`
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`10:59.27`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: it's in the user manual - /usr/share/doc/privoxy/user-manual.txt.gz`
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`10:59.31`	`ssm`	`!amd64`
`10:59.31`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq`
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`11:00.37`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: seems that privoxy runs as a standalone proxy.. so now i have two proxies.. eeh...`
`11:00.49`	`Noid`	`what is the acronym for british keyboard layout in X... gb?`
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`11:02.56`	`liable`	`Noid: yeah`
`11:04.15`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: well doh`
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`11:05.11`	`Noid`	`liable: thanks`
`11:05.15`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: hm.. am i going to connect my browser to squid or to privoxy?`
`11:05.31`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: it's explained in the manual`
`11:05.45`	`spf`	`jm_: I'm having trouble getting the opelssl source code onto the server, wget & lynx aint working`
`11:05.49`	`DjKritical`	`is ssh in the base install of debian?`
`11:05.50`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: im reading it..`
`11:05.53`	`spf`	`the package is 3 mb`
`11:06.04`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: reding on chapter 4 at the moment`
`11:06.13`	`umbop`	`DjKritical, not that i am aware of no`
`11:06.54`	`umbop`	`or maybe it does`
`11:07.09`	`jtza8`	`ssm, thanks`
`11:08.05`	`jm_`	`spf: you can go to Debian FTP mirrors, you need Debian source packages`
`11:08.13`	`FieldySnuts`	`@do not like SCO`
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`11:11.55`	`setite`	`anyone have a v620 mobile internet pc card?`
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`11:12.15`	`FieldySnuts`	`probably`
`11:12.19`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: reading...reading.... :)`
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`11:12.46`	`timo-`	`is there any .deb package for video4linux that can hdd record tv programs at given times`
`11:13.14`	`timo-`	`i use bttv card`
`11:13.15`	`spf`	`jm_: I get 500 illigal PORT command errors when trying get & mget`
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`11:13.32`	`sep`	`timo, something like freevo and mythtv ?`
`11:13.57`	`timo-`	`yeah like mythtv, but i recon there was no deb package`
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`11:15.09`	`sep`	`!mythtv`
`11:15.09`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org, Sid/Sarge and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ ...apt-get install mythtv-suite. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers`
`11:15.19`	`sep`	`there you have debs`
`11:15.32`	`GregM`	`freevo is a deb`
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`11:15.56`	`Mariele`	`good morning :)`
`11:16.52`	`jm_`	`spf: tried disabling passive mode?`
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`11:17.33`	`jm_`	`spf: or rather enabling it?`
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`11:17.56`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: hmm.. havent seen something about squid yet`
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`11:18.13`	`setite`	`no one have a EVDO card?`
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`11:18.25`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: uhm search for squid in that user manual`
`11:18.30`	`FieldySnuts`	`~tell setite about smart questions`
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`11:19.12`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok, how to search in "less" ?`
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`11:20.13`	`jan`	`i have installed Sarge, now i have to power off my computer manualy, how come?`
`11:20.27`	`setite`	`smart questions eh... wow... talk abotu a smart answer`
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`11:20.42`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: press ? and read`
`11:20.45`	`Armopu`	`hi`
`11:20.45`	`antgel`	`am trying to get $MAIL to be correct by default. currently /var/mail/username. have changed /etc/login.defs, uncommented QMAIL_DIR, commented MAIL_DIR. after login, echo $MAIL still shows /var/mail/username, not /home/username/Maildir`
`11:20.51`	`jm_`	`jan: you're missing kernel support`
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`11:21.04`	`Armopu`	`wich is the URL to download kde 3.5 using svn ???`
`11:21.14`	`timo-`	`GregM: i can't find freevi with apt-cache search`
`11:21.16`	`jan`	`jm: how to change that?`
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`11:21.21`	`timo-`	`is it any particular source?`
`11:21.36`	`timo-`	`o`
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`11:21.52`	`jm_`	`jan: load the relevant modules`
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`11:22.15`	`jan`	`any idea how their names are?`
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`11:22.30`	`jm_`	`go with ACPI`
`11:22.50`	`jan`	`thank's ;) jm`
`11:23.03`	`jm_`	`ACPI for new machines, APM for old ones`
`11:23.17`	`jan`	`mine is 5 years old`
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`11:23.52`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok.. :)`
`11:24.04`	`spf`	`jm_: nm, fixed it, I've applied the patch and installing now`
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`11:24.24`	`timo-`	`GregM: ?`
`11:24.27`	`Armopu`	`wich is the URL to download kde 3.5 using svn ???`
`11:24.35`	`FieldySnuts`	`huh?`
`11:24.41`	`FieldySnuts`	`ask #kde , not us`
`11:24.49`	`Armopu`	`ok`
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`11:25.04`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: should i enable the toggle? and enable-remote-toggle?`
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`11:25.31`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: up to you, it means your users will be able to mess with it`
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`11:25.57`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: i dont think my parents are gonna mess with it ;)`
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`11:26.56`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: have you enabled them?`
`11:27.04`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: yes`
`11:28.05`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok, then i will that too :)`
`11:28.17`	`tarzeau`	`can i get the exactly same kernel source that was used to build the debian installer kernel for i386?`
`11:28.36`	`timo-`	`mythtv doesn't work`
`11:29.05`	`liable`	`tarzeau: try in #debian-boot, if anyone knows they do :)`
`11:29.14`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: have you enables the web-based editor?`
`11:29.17`	`tarzeau`	`liable: i tried there, no answer since 5 hours`
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`11:29.32`	`liable`	`oh, yeah its slow sometimes :P`
`11:29.34`	`tarzeau`	`liable: the thing is i want the -2 not the -10 from http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.27-i386/kernel-image-2.4.27-i386_2.4.27-10/changelog`
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`11:30.00`	`tarzeau`	`maybe i want this? Built against kernel-tree 2.4.24-2. ?`
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`11:30.15`	`tarzeau`	`no no i really want kernel-tree-2.4.27-5:`
`11:30.37`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: web based editor?`
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`11:30.53`	`antgel`	`ok, i set $MAIL in /etc/security/pam_envs.conf. $MAIL is now ~/Maildir, when I log in. but procmail -v still shows my default mail directory as /var/mail/username. any ideas?`
`11:31.01`	`liable`	`tarzeau: if you are only building the one module, look in the changelog, if its not changed, should be ok I would think..`
`11:31.04`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: web-based actions file editor`
`11:31.20`	`tarzeau`	`liable: yes i really want to build the one module. i did actually ->`
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`11:31.39`	`tarzeau`	`liable: but i keep getting unresolved symbols for 7 things: netif_rx_R148999b2 like`
`11:31.54`	`bender-RW-`	`tarzeau: have you tried http://snapshot.debian.net/ ?`
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`11:32.24`	`timo-`	`i only get this kind of error(s) when attempting to use mythtv: http://pastebin.com/334472`
`11:32.48`	`tarzeau`	`bender-RW-: yes dead link for kernel-source-2.4.27-2`
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`11:33.11`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: I use default, which means it's enabled, but I have never used this`
`11:33.23`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: actually I have it disabled`
`11:33.29`	`bender-RW-`	`tarzeau: hrm :-/`
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`11:34.02`	`tarzeau`	`bender-RW-: i have this one little .c driver that i want to build so the d-i can load it`
`11:34.32`	`tarzeau`	`bender-RW-: i needed to adapt the PCI ID list on the d-i image as well as in the source headers, no problem`
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`11:34.53`	`tarzeau`	`or has someone built their own kernels for d-i?`
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`11:36.09`	`bender-RW-`	`tarzeau: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Making+a+Custom+Boot+CD+for+Debian`
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`11:37.19`	`tarzeau`	`bender-RW-: is there one special for making custom network boot for debian also?`
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`11:38.15`	`bender-RW-`	`tarzeau: i dont know, sorry`
`11:38.17`	`tarzeau`	`bender-RW-: and isn't there a place, where maybe someone else did all the hard work already?`
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`11:38.59`	`liable`	`tarzeau: /msg dpkg custom d-i`
`11:39.00`	`bender-RW-`	`tarzeau: the person who wrote the instructions did his own install cd for dell servers, thats all i know`
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`11:40.01`	`tarzeau`	`liable: if alioth wasn't down...`
`11:40.08`	`liable`	`oh is it?`
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`11:40.33`	`tarzeau`	`liable: i couldn't check the mailinglist archives either, nor recieved the mail i sent to the alioth someproject list`
`11:40.54`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok.. :)`
`11:40.58`	`liable`	`tarzeau: bugger :(`
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`11:41.20`	`tarzeau`	`liable: yes and it really sucks. i have 10 computers i can't install because d-i doesn't support that nic`
`11:41.36`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: custom kernel? :)`
`11:41.39`	`tarzeau`	`liable: and i'd like to remove the 3com's i put in there, since we'll get more computers and i need the nics for others`
`11:41.41`	`liable`	`go to the bottom of the list for a shell`
`11:41.45`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: i do have a custom kernel. but i need one for d-i`
`11:41.55`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: it's not special in any way`
`11:42.02`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ works fantastic`
`11:42.14`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: say i have initrd.gz and linux in /tftpboot/`
`11:42.22`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: i can put my own kernel right in that files?`
`11:42.26`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: hmm.. i dont get this with permit-access option..`
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`11:42.45`	`tarzeau`	`oh sometimes i so hate linux`
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`11:42.58`	`Zomb`	`hi`
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`11:43.14`	`nothingm1ch`	`how do I get laptop network management to work well WRT moving from place to place, booting unplugged/plugged, hotplugging support (walk into wifi, attach a cable)?`
`11:43.30`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: sure, as long as it has the options d-i needs (devfs is one of them)`
`11:43.37`	`Zomb`	`any apt-proxy users around? Do you access the server via http://...:9999/profile (eg. Debian) or without the profile prefix?`
`11:43.40`	`liable`	`nothingm1ch: ifplugd is a start for eth`
`11:43.51`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: similar to ACL-s in squid`
`11:43.55`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: i don't know what do i grep for in the .config ?`
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`11:44.49`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok, so i will use like "permit-access 10.10.2.0/24" for access to computers on my LAN?`
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`11:45.27`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: or is my LAN permitted as default because of my "listen" address is set to my proxy servers ip..`
`11:45.37`	`Orfeous`	`not localhost as default`
`11:46.26`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: well you can build exactly the same kernel with a few more drivers supported`
`11:47.01`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: no, you need to allow squid to connect, not users (well you can let both)`
`11:48.15`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok, so have i setup my "listen address" wrong? should it be localhost as default? or what did you mean?`
`11:48.31`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: squid and privoxy is at same computer..`
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`11:48.42`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: it deoends on your usage pattern`
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`11:49.06`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: i picked the forcedeth.c from 2.4.31 into 2.4.27 ...`
`11:49.20`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: with the same .config`
`11:49.31`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: but i got unresolved symbols ...`
`11:49.34`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: i just said that the privoxy and squid are at the same computer.. actually my firewall computer`
`11:49.47`	`Orfeous`	`that im connected behind`
`11:49.54`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: no, you take 2.4.27 config, copy it to 2.4.31, run make oldconfig and then enable more drivers`
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`11:50.11`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: yes, but there are mre things that affect it`
`11:50.14`	`chapeaurouge`	`hi... how much space do i need to fully mirror the stable branch?`
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`11:50.26`	`chapeaurouge`	`i386 arch`
`11:50.27`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: and who creates initrd.gz and linux with d-i for me?`
`11:50.46`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: can't i build a forcedeth.o and put it into my initrd.gz ? i tried, that'd be easiest if it'd work`
`11:50.52`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: what is in default initrd.gz?`
`11:50.58`	`jm_`	`I mean besides modules`
`11:51.13`	`chapeaurouge`	`got it`
`11:51.51`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok, so what should i do then with does options.. "listen" and "permit-access" ?`
`11:51.56`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: gnu.ethz.ch/initrd-list`
`11:52.10`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: go with security in mind`
`11:52.51`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: I see, I would try to build static kernel (no modules at all) and then just use that, should work`
`11:54.01`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: yes, but i dont know what to type on those options :)`
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`11:54.08`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: oh no`
`11:54.25`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: 127.0.0.1`
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`11:54.50`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: just for "listen" at the beginning of the config.?`
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`11:55.02`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: you can use it for both ...`
`11:55.30`	`Orfeous`	`ok..`
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`11:55.40`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: now it says this.. listen-address 10.10.2.1:8118`
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`11:55.55`	`Orfeous`	`that ip is the LAN ip on the firewall`
`11:55.57`	`ReignWolve`	`grrr`
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`11:58.37`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: that's OK too`
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`11:59.32`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok.. so then the "permit-access" thing?`
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`12:00.16`	`borgasman`	`LATEST NEWS: BUSH AND SADDAM CAUGHT TOGETHER -- http://www.systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=32`
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`12:02.22`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: use the same as for squid`
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`12:03.29`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: hmm.. permit my LAN hosts... or permit the 10.10.2.1 ??`
`12:04.14`	`Snadder`	`hi.. anyone know how to get cpuburn from ubuntu?..`
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`12:04.41`	`Snadder`	`its in apt for debian.. but not for ubuntu`
`12:05.12`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: LAN`
`12:05.29`	`Orfeous`	`ok, so it will be 10.10.2.1 and not 10.10.2.0/24?`
`12:06.44`	`sep`	`Snadder, ubuntu only uses some of debian's packages so that's probably correct.`
`12:07.06`	`Snadder`	`sep, so its not possible to get those into ubuntu?`
`12:07.16`	`jm_`	`no the latter`
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`12:07.22`	`RvGaTe`	`gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning !`
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`12:07.32`	`RvGaTe`	`i feel soo terrible today ! :D`
`12:07.33`	`sep`	`Snadder, not unless your a ubuntu developer i guess.`
`12:07.52`	`sep`	`Snadder, i dont know what they do to the packages tho. ask in #ubuntu`
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`12:08.13`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: im asking because im unsure ;)O`
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`12:08.30`	`Snadder`	`sep, ok. thx`
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`12:08.49`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: if you're unsure go for security (127.0.0.1 - I have already told you this)`
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`12:09.22`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok, thanks..`
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`12:10.39`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: the "forwarding" option. is that something i should use to integrate with squid?`
`12:10.55`	`Orfeous`	`"To which parent HTTP proxy specific requests should be routed."`
`12:11.22`	`RvGaTe`	`How do i know if my router supports snmp ?`
`12:11.25`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: you don't need that option if you're following user-guide, because squid will contact privoxy in such setups`
`12:11.40`	`jm_`	`RvGaTe: run snmpwalk against it`
`12:11.55`	`RvGaTe`	`jm_ sounds scary...`
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`12:12.02`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: yes, im reading user-manual besides configuring privoxy and talking to you :)`
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`12:12.13`	`krlos`	`hi people`
`12:12.43`	`krlos`	`in this chaneli can get some help about reinstalling xf86 in debian sarge`
`12:12.47`	`krlos`	`i lost the conf`
`12:12.56`	`jm_`	`!drxx krlos`
`12:12.57`	`dpkg`	`krlos: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) \|\| if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
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`12:13.24`	`krlos`	`I di that`
`12:13.26`	`RvGaTe`	`jm_: is there a windows version of snmp, before i terrorize my server with new packages ?`
`12:13.27`	`krlos`	`I do that`
`12:13.35`	`krlos`	`usen the xf86config`
`12:13.49`	`jm_`	`RvGaTe: sure`
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`12:13.58`	`krlos`	`but give the answer Xserver doun foun screens`
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`12:15.59`	`liable`	`!no screens found`
`12:16.00`	`dpkg`	`no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x".`
`12:16.47`	`krlos`	`ok`
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`12:17.42`	`miag`	`how to fix gnome-panel doubly launched on debian?`
`12:18.04`	`peter-t`	`just kill one process`
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`12:18.31`	`jair`	`anyone here use bitchx ?`
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`12:18.57`	`miag`	`already it exit, and show the message to me. then i click ok, it annoying.`
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`12:19.32`	`miag`	`but i love debian`
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`12:19.40`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: done configuring and reading user-manual.. i found how to configure squid for privoxy too ;)`
`12:19.48`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: editing the conf now..`
`12:19.51`	`krlos`	`dpkg: say Problem parsing the config file`
`12:19.52`	`dpkg`	`Problem parsing the config file`
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`12:20.37`	`krlos`	`dpkg: error from xf86Handleconfigfile`
`12:20.51`	`jm_`	`krlos: go read X logfile`
`12:21.00`	`jm_`	`and don't talk to dpkg, dpkg is a bot`
`12:21.06`	`jm_`	`!botsmite krlos`
`12:21.12`	`jm_`	`I guess not`
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`12:21.51`	`krlos`	`sorry`
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`12:22.49`	`krlos`	`well`
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`12:23.16`	`Orfeous`	`hm..`
`12:23.20`	`krlos`	`he ask me abot my error in the xf86`
`12:23.24`	`Orfeous`	`jm, "You could just as well decide to only forward requests for Windows executables`
`12:23.27`	`Orfeous`	`through a virus-scanning parent proxy"`
`12:23.49`	`krlos`	`nad I Try many things but I can't load my xserver`
`12:24.09`	`Orfeous`	`maybe that is unneccesary because of having antivirus programs locally on computers.`
`12:25.31`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: you've built your own d-i with raid drivers or what?`
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`12:25.50`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: no, I don't use RAID`
`12:25.52`	`RvGaTe`	`jm_: i got this windows program called BPSNMPUtil, i need to specify a Community, Host and OID... If i set those to: Public, 192.168.1.1 and 1.3.6.1.2.1.1.1.0... it gives me back the discription of what kind of router i have, but not any usefull values... do i need to change the OID or something?`
`12:26.03`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: or some other hardware that you needed drivers for?`
`12:26.15`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: is it possible i want to build my own d-i, say with di-packages-build ?`
`12:26.30`	`krlos`	`there any chanel por xf86 please`
`12:26.51`	`jm_`	`RvGaTe: ideally you'd run snmpwalk -c public 192.168.1.1 and it would least you rentire tree`
`12:27.13`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: I haven't done this for d-i, but for Woody for example, it's not that different`
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`12:28.41`	`RvGaTe`	`jm_: thx for that, when i dont enter a OID, it gives me indeed the whole tree...`
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`12:28.59`	`liable`	`krlos: whats your native language/`
`12:29.08`	`liable`	`?`
`12:30.03`	`miag`	`i googling myself and find the problem, System -> Preferences -> Sessions and removed one of the gnome-panel.`
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`12:30.31`	`liable`	`krlos: try #debian-br`
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`12:30.56`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: got them running now.. but i got a connection refused when im trying www.google.com from my computer`
`12:30.57`	`miag`	`s/find/found/`
`12:31.20`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: make sure privoxy lets squid connect`
`12:31.37`	`RvGaTe`	`!snmpwalk`
`12:31.41`	`RvGaTe`	`!snmp`
`12:31.41`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, snmp is the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol`
`12:31.47`	`RvGaTe`	`great`
`12:31.48`	`RvGaTe`	`:P`
`12:31.55`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: a webpage comed up and was generated by squid..`
`12:32.00`	`Orfeous`	`came`
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`12:32.18`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: yeah it probably means squid was not able to connect to privoxy`
`12:32.20`	`parax`	`hi!`
`12:32.22`	`jm_`	`due to access rules`
`12:32.27`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: Generated Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:30:10 GMT by jaguar (squid/2.5.STABLE10)`
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`12:32.44`	`Orfeous`	`The system returned:`
`12:32.45`	`Orfeous`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:32.54`	`usual`	`Has anyone has any luck compiling or finding a deb for barnyard`
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`12:33.01`	`jm_`	`yeah fix privoxy setup`
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`12:33.31`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ah.. i think i know what the problem is ;)`
`12:34.00`	`Orfeous`	`privoxy is listening on the 10.10.2.1 and squid is configured to connect to 127.0.0.1 on 8118 ;)`
`12:34.03`	`Orfeous`	`haha`
`12:34.09`	`Rawplayer`	`how can i disable scp?`
`12:34.13`	`Rawplayer`	`without blocking ssh`
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`12:34.46`	`sleppy`	`apmsleep tells me to suid , is there a difference to change the group and permission of apmsleep ?`
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`12:35.02`	`miag`	`fyi, nvidia 1.0-7676 is out.`
`12:35.25`	`parax`	`i need some suggestion for this: i need to prepare a debian server which will store user information of windows clients ("My documents" folder), so when users log in, his files on the server are seen like My documents on his computers`
`12:35.27`	`usual`	`Rawplayer, could always delete the binay file I guess`
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`12:35.32`	`krlos`	`or.. please in apt how can i do to reinstall a xserver`
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`12:35.45`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: yes, it worked ;)`
`12:35.48`	`krlos`	`apt-get ... i don't know the command for reinatalll`
`12:36.02`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: can i ask how you are filtering your pages? using any scripts?`
`12:36.08`	`liable`	`krlos: try #debian-br`
`12:36.10`	`parax`	`What I need in samba to get that? I don't know so much about windows servers`
`12:36.19`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: ehh?`
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`12:36.33`	`Rawplayer`	`usual: disable up and download`
`12:36.34`	`Rawplayer`	`;)`
`12:36.46`	`Wyzard`	`parax: In Samba, you just need to set up shared folders. You also need to configure Windows to use the shared folders as My Documents.`
`12:36.46`	`sleppy`	`krlos, install --reinstall`
`12:36.51`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: how are you filtering with privoxy on your system?`
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`12:37.04`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: using privoxy rules`
`12:37.13`	`telaz`	`hi all, I know this is not really debian specific, but I'm having the "usual" trouble mounting my usb key on linux (debian) ... kernel log says it's attached to sdb ... but /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 does not exist`
`12:37.18`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: default?`
`12:37.23`	`usual`	`Has anyone here successfuly used barnyard in debian`
`12:37.28`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: default + a few rules of my own`
`12:37.31`	`telaz`	`could you indicate the good mknod command to run if any ?`
`12:37.38`	`krlos`	`ok`
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`12:37.42`	`krlos`	`thabka s a lot`
`12:37.46`	`krlos`	`thanks a lot`
`12:37.49`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: ok, maybe i can get inspiration of you? can i look?`
`12:37.50`	`parax`	`Wyzard, ok, let me google so I can find any information about how to do that on windows clients`
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`12:37.58`	`parax`	`Wyzard, and thanks ;)`
`12:38.04`	`jm_`	`Orfeous: it won't help you, this is for some local sites`
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`12:39.50`	`perry`	`i have a new net-install of sarge and when i installed alsa, it can't find the soundcard`
`12:39.54`	`telaz`	`I've got /dev/sda1 mounted on /boot ... and when I mount /dev/sdb1 (thinking it's my usbkey) ... I get /boot mounted another time ... I cant understand what's happening ...`
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`12:40.16`	`jair`	`anyone here familiar with bitchx on debian sarge?`
`12:40.25`	`jm_`	`telaz: kernel logs will tell you which device to use for it`
`12:40.26`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: btw, i found this page with a list of rules.. http://www.neilvandyke.org/privoxy-rules/`
`12:40.31`	`perry`	`jair: i'm on it right now :)`
`12:40.32`	`tosh`	`anyone know what /usr/bin/groups is missing? I get this errormessage when logging into my system (im experimenting with chroot): id: cannot find group name for ID: 518`
`12:40.34`	`jair`	`it should be the same on thes OS Unix like`
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`12:40.49`	`jm_`	`jair: /msg dpkg ask`
`12:41.02`	`telaz`	`jm_: right : but kernel logs says that`
`12:41.06`	`jair`	`perry look, I have to channels open in the same window and I navigate using "^+X"`
`12:41.10`	`telaz`	`Aug 11 14:34:19 localhost kernel: sdb: assuming Write Enabled / Aug 11 14:34:19 localhost kernel: sdb: assuming drive cache: write through / Aug 11 14:34:19 localhost kernel: SCSI device sdb: 2002944 512-byte hdwr sectors (1026 MB)`
`12:41.11`	`jm_`	`telaz: says what?`
`12:41.29`	`jm_`	`is that it? 1G USB drive?`
`12:41.33`	`telaz`	`right`
`12:41.34`	`perry`	`jair: if you are on two channels, you can also /join to switch between them`
`12:41.35`	`jm_`	`gah sorry I have to go now`
`12:41.38`	`jair`	`perry how could I close one channel and continue in the other one`
`12:41.47`	`jm_`	`jair/just part the channel`
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`12:42.04`	`parax`	`Wyzard, I will need a separate shared folder for each used, wouldn't I?`
`12:42.24`	`jair`	`jm what do you mean?`
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`12:42.35`	`perry`	`i am on #linux and #debian...to switch just /join debian or /join #linux`
`12:42.37`	`initiate`	`ummm hi`
`12:42.48`	`parax`	`Wyzard, and I suposse this way doesn't allow to have "virtual users" (I mean, that any user can log in with any client and access to his files)`
`12:42.56`	`initiate`	`i started downloading with bittorrent`
`12:43.06`	`initiate`	`but after a bit i got this in the console`
`12:43.10`	`telaz`	`jm_: isnt it suppose to mean that the usbkey is on sdb ?`
`12:43.19`	`jair`	`perry ohh and if you want to close #linux and continue in #debian? is because you actually received both messages in the same terminal`
`12:43.21`	`telaz`	`but when I mount /dev/sdb I get /dev/sda`
`12:43.21`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: what do you think about that?`
`12:43.21`	`liable`	`telaz: yes`
`12:43.23`	`initiate`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:43.45`	`initiate`	`how can i fix that ?`
`12:43.53`	`telaz`	`exactly : mounting /dev/sdb1 I get /dev/sda1`
`12:43.55`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`try escaping the " "`
`12:43.58`	`liable`	`initiate: did you start it as root?`
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`12:44.23`	`initiate`	liable, i`m running it as a normal user right now
`12:44.29`	`telaz`	`maybe something is wrong with /dev/sdb1 ... could I recreate it right with some magic mknode command ?`
`12:44.31`	`initiate`	`and that's another thing i want to ask ...`
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`12:44.39`	`jair`	`perry like i switch between channels using the Crtl+x`
`12:44.54`	`freen0de`	`good morning... :)`
`12:44.55`	`initiate`	`when i start the download,how can i leave it downloading and log in as a normal user`
`12:44.57`	`initiate`	`?`
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`12:45.00`	`liable`	`initiate: chown initiate /home/blah/blah/stones`
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`12:45.09`	`jair`	`but I am still receiving the messages of both channels`
`12:45.17`	`perry`	`convenient isn't it?`
`12:45.27`	`jair`	`perry not`
`12:45.34`	`jair`	`yes`
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`12:45.45`	`perry`	`if somebody is in the "other" channel, the channel name will appear next to them`
`12:45.54`	`jair`	`perry but I would like to know how to keep it individual`
`12:46.02`	`perry`	`leave the other channel`
`12:46.14`	`telaz`	`liable: do you have advices for my pb ;-) ?`
`12:46.20`	`liable`	`initiate: apt-get install bittornado-gui`
`12:46.24`	`perry`	`ie /part otherchannel name`
`12:46.25`	`RvGaTe`	`i know its the wrong channel, but its there an extension for firefox to automaticly refresh your page every xx seconds ?`
`12:46.27`	`Orfeous`	`jm_: is it possible to completly BLOCK a whole internet address? my mothers computer are having lots of popups all the time in windows ;) and i cant get rid of them.`
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`12:46.36`	`jair`	`perfect perry, I see and notice that my question is how to leave that specific channel and stay in the first one`
`12:46.39`	`plt`	`i have a problem with courier-imap e-mail messages get in $HOME/Maildir as files like msg.MEeP but they do not get processed`
`12:46.43`	`initiate`	`thanks liable`
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`12:47.01`	`technos`	`Orfeous: Yes. Put the hostname in the Windows hosts file, make it resolve to 127.0.0.1`
`12:47.08`	`liable`	`telaz: do you have anything in fstab for it?`
`12:47.12`	`perry`	`i have a new net-install of sarge and when i installed alsa, it can't find the soundcard`
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`12:47.17`	`jair`	`perry nice "/part <channelname>`
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`12:47.27`	`perry`	`i have a new net-install of sarge and when i installed alsa, it can't find the soundcard`
`12:47.31`	`telaz`	`liable: yes : /dev/sdb1 /mnt/store auto rw,user,noauto 0 0`
`12:47.33`	`jair`	`perry really`
`12:47.35`	`perry`	`blah`
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`12:47.40`	`plt`	`ican can read the e-mails in the msg. files with a text editor`
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`12:47.43`	`perry`	`sorry bout the repeat :P`
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`12:47.59`	`liable`	`telaz: ok, unplug it, plug it back, run dmesg \|tail`
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`12:48.06`	`ariel`	`hola leo`
`12:48.18`	`jair`	`perry did you try this:http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html`
`12:48.19`	`chino_`	`hola neo`
`12:48.26`	`edu-cpu`	`hello`
`12:48.35`	`Orfeous`	`technos: ok, how?`
`12:48.59`	`edu-cpu`	`what name?`
`12:49.01`	`chino_`	`how to show`
`12:49.03`	`telaz`	`liable: many output with no error : sdb: assuming Write Enabled / sdb: assuming drive cache: write through / /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 / Attached scsi removable disk sdb at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0`
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`12:49.16`	`telaz`	`seems ok ... but it's not ;-) for some reason`
`12:49.17`	`tosh`	`anyone know what /usr/bin/groups is missing? I get this errormessage when logging into my system (im experimenting with chroot): id: cannot find group name for ID: 518 I have a /etc/group and /etc/passwd in my jail where the user in question is specified as well as in /etc/group`
`12:49.22`	`ariel`	`hola marcos`
`12:49.25`	`jair`	`perry I has been configure all my sound desktops with this`
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`12:49.32`	`chino_`	`Neo`
`12:49.43`	`marcos`	`hola ariel`
`12:49.47`	`chino_`	`shonewer`
`12:49.50`	`jair`	`perry did you received the link I sent you?`
`12:50.08`	`marcos`	`hola cabeza`
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`12:50.26`	`chino_`	`shonewer anda con la janecita`
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`12:50.43`	`liable`	`telaz: oh, thats old devfs. try mount /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/storage`
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`12:51.02`	`Orfeous`	`technos: my hostsfile says this.. 127.0.0.1 localhost`
`12:51.04`	`ubuntu`	`alow`
`12:51.20`	`ubuntu`	`anybody here?`
`12:51.29`	`valeria`	`join #debian-es`
`12:51.31`	`liable`	`no, this is #debian :P`
`12:51.44`	`Rawplayer`	`ubuntu: #ubuntu`
`12:51.46`	`telaz`	`liable: it say that mount: special device /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 does not exist`
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`12:51.54`	`telaz`	`actually /dev/scsi does not exist`
`12:52.10`	`liable`	`try sda`
`12:52.17`	`perry`	`jair: i've never modified my kernel before`
`12:52.17`	`perry`	`kinda nervous about screwing it :P`
`12:52.17`	`perry`	`can you walk me through it?`
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`12:52.27`	`technos`	`Orfeous: Now add another line that says <host you want blocked> 127.0.0.1`
`12:52.29`	`valeria`	`join #debian-ar`
`12:52.55`	`EzoNaan`	`Hello, I am having printer problems. I have a parallell port printer which I have connected to the printer port. When I boot the PC up, the printer also starts up (making those printer noises) but when I look in dmesg for it. I see nothing. I get this: lp: driver loaded but no devices found. I am using Debian Sarge and the stock kernel. Please help.`
`12:52.59`	`liable`	`valeria: put a / before join, like /join #debian-es`
`12:53.11`	`telaz`	`liable: you mean mount /dev/sda /mnt/store ?`
`12:53.26`	`ariel`	`cabeza`
`12:53.30`	`perry`	`jair: i'm reading it now`
`12:53.35`	`telaz`	`I mean /dev/sdb (cause sda is my primary disk)`
`12:53.43`	`mikeX`	`EzoNaan, you could also try the cups printing system`
`12:54.06`	`EzoNaan`	`mikeX, I have that, The parallell port is not listed as an option there.`
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`12:54.12`	`Orfeous`	`technos: hmm. the sites url?`
`12:54.29`	`ariel`	`yea baby`
`12:54.32`	`EzoNaan`	`I have both lp and parporl loaded in to my kernel.`
`12:54.36`	`liable`	`telaz: hmm, how many hard drives you have?`
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`12:54.56`	`telaz`	`liable: only one (/dev/sda) + usb key`
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`12:55.29`	`technos`	`Orfeous: Yes sir.`
`12:55.41`	`liable`	`telaz: is this a debian kernel image/`
`12:55.55`	`Orfeous`	`technos: hmm..what should this do?`
`12:56.00`	`EzoNaan`	`Can I probe for printers somehow?`
`12:56.10`	`Orfeous`	`technos: now my lines says this..`
`12:56.14`	`Orfeous`	`127.0.0.1 localhost`
`12:56.20`	`Orfeous`	`127.0.0.1 localhost`
`12:56.22`	`Orfeous`	`httpwwwads.com127.0.0.1`
`12:56.34`	`telaz`	`the kernel, I've compiled myself ... but the thing it that it used to work with another usb key 2 days ago`
`12:56.36`	`debian`	`alow`
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`12:56.55`	`debian`	`anyone alive here?`
`12:56.56`	`telaz`	`someone else did the mount thing ... but I'm sure it worked`
`12:57.07`	`technos`	`Orfeous: It forces the offending url to resolve to localhost, where it won't find the page it's looking for, and then nothing happens.`
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`12:57.36`	`liable`	`telaz: is usb-storage loaded?`
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`12:57.57`	`telaz`	`lsmod \| grep usb says yes ;-)`
`12:58.00`	`technos`	`Orfeous: You want the ip address before the host name. I don't think windows does the proper thing when they're reversed.`
`12:58.21`	`telaz`	`the thing is that when I mount /dev/sdb1 I get /dev/sda1 ... isn't it really strange ?`
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`12:59.17`	`granden`	`Hi someone who can help me with my nvidia gfx driver installation`
`12:59.17`	`technos`	`Orfeous: There are plenty of pre-crafted host files that will block 80% of pop-up serving companies/ad companies. Should google for one, instead of blocking them one by one as you notice a particular one is annoying.`
`12:59.25`	`Loevborg`	`how do I make vim automatically recognize ".phtml" as filetype=php?`
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`12:59.54`	`granden`	`I am running kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 and installed kernel-source-2.6.8 and kernel-tree-2.6.8 but the nvidia installation says it dont find it`
`13:00.01`	`Orfeous`	`technos: the strange is that the computer just opens a popup browser automaticly the whole time.. :P`
`13:00.03`	`liable`	`telaz: is scsi-mod loaded/`
`13:00.19`	`Theoretic`	`garden: you need the kernel-headers`
`13:00.26`	`telaz`	`liable: it says no`
`13:00.43`	`technos`	`Orfeous: Then she has malware on it. Have you run AdAware on it?`
`13:00.53`	`stew`	`Loevborg: you need an "AddType" line in your httpd.conf`
`13:01.02`	`liable`	`telaz: I'm thinking kernel config problems, I know you said it worked before but..`
`13:01.20`	`telaz`	`liable: ok, I'll check that, thanks for you help`
`13:01.46`	`Orfeous`	`technos: yes, i have runned "norton antivirus,spybot search and destroy, MS antispyware,adaware"`
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`13:01.46`	`liable`	`telaz: you're welcome`
`13:01.50`	`Loevborg`	`stew, :) not apache but gvim :))`
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`13:02.05`	`Orfeous`	`technos: she is also having a "dialer" that popups sometimes.`
`13:02.18`	`Orfeous`	`a program who wants to connect to a place somewhere ;)`
`13:02.42`	`liable`	`tell her to stop visiting pron sites :P`
`13:02.49`	`granden`	`Someone who can help me with nvidia gfx driver installation I got problem with the kernel source`
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`13:03.17`	`greycat`	`granden: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner`
`13:03.40`	`liable`	`telaz: do you have a debian image you can boot?`
`13:03.53`	`BeatBiter`	`I am trying to install an external cd rewriter on the parallel port can someone help me please?`
`13:04.13`	`telaz`	`liable: yes, good idea, I'll have to reboot then ;-)`
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`13:04.34`	`granden`	`greycat: I would like to use the official thing`
`13:04.36`	`greycat`	`parallel port CD writer? wow... I haven't seen even a parport CD-ROM in years`
`13:04.44`	`greycat`	`granden: /j #nvidia`
`13:04.47`	`granden`	`I did get it to work for some month ago or so`
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`13:04.54`	`granden`	`but now the nvidia isntaller dont fidn my source`
`13:04.57`	`granden`	`for the kernel`
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`13:05.13`	`jetx`	`BeatBiter: there are kernel modules you need to load, try modconf, apt-get install it if you don't have it (to start at least)`
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`13:05.17`	`granden`	`and I did apt-get install kernel-tree-2.6.8`
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`13:05.31`	`BeatBiter`	`its a backpack cd writer i did modprobes then when i mount it it is readonly and doesn't know its a cd burner`
`13:05.34`	`greycat`	`granden: and don't come bitching to us when the "official" nvidia scripts overwrite part of the X11 packages and break Debian. You were warned.`
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`13:05.48`	`granden`	`ok`
`13:05.58`	`granden`	`I go with the non-free then`
`13:06.11`	`jetx`	granden. thusly: sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1.run -anN --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include
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`13:06.30`	`jetx`	`but the .debs are preferred`
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`13:06.57`	`granden`	`jetx: thanks`
`13:07.03`	`Theoretic`	`greycat: I dont see a problem with nvidia's close source drive.`
`13:07.12`	`jetx`	`Theoretic: hang around`
`13:07.13`	`Theoretic`	`closed source driver*`
`13:08.01`	`liable`	`hmm, mass exodus :P`
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`13:09.26`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`what do they know that we don't?`
`13:09.35`	`jetx`	`that it's sunday`
`13:09.58`	`liable`	`it is? I missed the weekend!`
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`13:11.38`	`jetx`	`^into action...'`
`13:11.49`	`stew`	`Loevborg: doh, sorry, i'm still on my first coffee :) ask #vim`
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`13:12.35`	`RvGaTe`	`Anyone has experience with snmp? i cant get this to work in linux...`
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`13:13.25`	`obtix`	`simple question, how do i check to see when a file was lsat modified?`
`13:13.28`	`Golfgeo`	`Hi all, got a problem with my Sony F801 laptop, somehow the CD-drive is bust and I need to replace it. Yet I can't find any info on removing the drive from the laptop on the net, does someone know how it is done?`
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`13:14.12`	`granden`	`What is the name of the x login manager?`
`13:14.13`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`obtix: ls -lh?`
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`13:14.15`	`granden`	`I want to remove it`
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`13:14.19`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`xdm`
`13:14.22`	`granden`	`thanks`
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`13:14.35`	`technos`	`Orfeous: lavasoft.de, download AdAware. Use it. The problems will cease.`
`13:14.54`	`lanfeust`	`hello`
`13:15.26`	`silbhe`	`hi! did someone in here get ATI drivers fglrx working with debian? more than 1 mounth i tri :-(`
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`13:15.38`	`telaz`	`liable: I'm back ;-)`
`13:15.58`	`telaz`	`liable: exactly the same pb with the debian kernel image`
`13:16.02`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: funny i have 2.4.31 now, but dhclient says: missing CONFIG_PACKET=y and CONFIG_FILTER=y`
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`13:16.11`	`liable`	`telaz: really?`
`13:16.14`	`telaz`	`I mount /dev/sdb1 and I get /dev/sda1`
`13:16.23`	`telaz`	`yes, this is crazy`
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`13:16.42`	`granden`	`What does this mean alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device`
`13:16.43`	`john__`	`hi`
`13:16.46`	`granden`	`?`
`13:16.51`	`liable`	`telaz: um, try mount /mnt/storage`
`13:17.06`	`NoRC`	`wheres the best place to go to get info on bluetooth? is there like a channel or something`
`13:17.33`	`telaz`	`liable: I can mount it ... but I've /dev/sda1`
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`13:19.08`	`telaz`	`liable: something must be wrong with the special file /dev/sdb1 dont you think ?`
`13:19.30`	`liable`	`telaz: I dont understand, when you mount it, you cd to it, and its / ?`
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`13:19.55`	`telaz`	`liable: right, it's /boot (sda1 is /boot and sda6 is /)`
`13:20.07`	`empty_mind`	`how do i configure a debian system to load particular kernel module at bootup`
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`13:20.59`	`telaz`	`liable: that"s crazy, but that"s what's happening ...`
`13:21.23`	`green_earz`	`empty_mind: you can use modconf the install modules, that will be loaded at boot`
`13:21.40`	`liable`	`telaz: mount /dev/sdb4 /mnt/store`
`13:21.58`	`green_earz`	`empty_mind: apt-get install modconf`
`13:22.21`	`liable`	`telaz: I dunno, really.`
`13:22.41`	`telaz`	`liable: why 4 ? ... well, it says 'you must specify the filesystem type' and when I specify one, it says '/dev/sdb4 is not a valid block device'`
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`13:22.52`	`telaz`	`liable: I'm also lost on this issue ;-)`
`13:23.12`	`telaz`	`I think I'll sacrifice a chicken to the linux god`
`13:23.19`	`liable`	`heh`
`13:23.44`	`greycat`	`do penguins eat chicken?`
`13:23.54`	`green_earz`	`telaz: gnu/linux god`
`13:24.06`	`telaz`	`I've got one in my fridge ... but I guess it will be more effective if the beast is alive ...`
`13:24.06`	`sep`	`telaz, i belice you'll have more luck with fish`
`13:24.21`	`telaz`	`;-)`
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`13:25.06`	`telaz`	`perhaps I could use the usb stick as the weapon for the sacrifice ... at least it will be useful ;-)`
`13:25.25`	`liable`	`shove it up tux's ass!`
`13:25.55`	`telaz`	`liable: I've done it ! he is acting as if nothing happen`
`13:26.39`	`ledet`	`telaz: he's fat and lazy... he probably just didnt feel like acting on it`
`13:26.52`	`liable`	`anyway, bed for me, good luck with it.`
`13:27.10`	`telaz`	`liable: thanks for you time anyway`
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`13:30.02`	`Pirata129`	`ciao a tutti i debiani`
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`13:30.33`	`Pirata129`	`hi x all debians`
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`13:31.40`	`abrotman`	`!it`
`13:31.40`	`dpkg`	`somebody said italian was per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it`
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`13:32.19`	`arcane`	`How do i check which NIS server my NIS client is currently using?`
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`13:33.45`	`Orfeous`	`see you later folks!`
`13:33.53`	`RvGaTe`	`!nis`
`13:33.53`	`dpkg`	`hmm... nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif`
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`13:36.51`	`elements`	`Is there a good reason why kernel-headers was renamed to linux-headers beginning with 2.6.12?`
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`13:37.21`	`sishen`	`Does this matter?`
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`13:37.36`	`abrotman`	`elements: yes`
`13:37.45`	`elements`	`Im curious.`
`13:37.49`	`RvGaTe`	`Is there a website to report a bug in firefox?`
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`13:38.05`	`abrotman`	`elements: there are more kernels than just linux kernel .. kernel-image,kernel-headers,etc was misleading`
`13:38.10`	`streuner__`	`RvGaTe: BTS`
`13:38.12`	`abrotman`	`debian also does hurd,bsd,etc`
`13:38.18`	`abrotman`	`RvGaTe: apt-get install reportbug`
`13:38.30`	`elements`	`oh, good reason.`
`13:38.33`	`RvGaTe`	`\:`
`13:38.35`	`abrotman`	`elements: make sense?`
`13:38.44`	`elements`	`abrotman: Yepp, definitly.`
`13:38.51`	`faen`	`I have to admit, I feel accomplished, I just did a net-install, got X working to a small degree`
`13:39.15`	`faen`	`now to get the machine set up, tweaked and running smoothly`
`13:39.29`	`faen`	`can anyoone point me to a tutorial or guide for people new to debian`
`13:39.36`	`abrotman`	`!refcard`
`13:39.37`	`dpkg`	`from memory, refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/`
`13:39.40`	`abrotman`	`!fundamentals`
`13:39.40`	`dpkg`	`You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue".`
`13:39.46`	`streuner__`	`!tell faen about ig`
`13:39.46`	`kneet`	`Hmm - lots of "debconf: warning: possible database corruption. Will attempt to repair by adding back missing question" - damn power cut`
`13:39.48`	`abrotman`	`faen: should be enough to get you started`
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`13:40.07`	`abrotman`	`!getting started guide`
`13:40.07`	`dpkg`	`The Installation and Getting Started Guide is at http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/LDP/gs/gs.html`
`13:40.11`	`abrotman`	`oh .. fuck that`
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`13:40.19`	`rastaval`	`lol`
`13:40.25`	`Theoretic`	`abrotman: YEAH!`
`13:40.32`	`abrotman`	`!girl's guide to geek guys`
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`13:40.32`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, girl's guide to geek guys is very funny, and at http://college.antioch.edu/~totally/geek.html`
`13:40.38`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: you're weird`
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`13:41.01`	`abrotman`	`lobster!`
`13:41.05`	`Ecligprs`	`sob file not found`
`13:41.19`	`asg`	`abrotman: goo goo gajoob`
`13:41.21`	`Theoretic`	`Ecligprs: Hilarious.`
`13:42.02`	`abrotman`	`asg: coo coo kachoo ? koo koo .. koo koo barabajagal!`
`13:42.24`	`faen`	`faen iyhtays`
`13:42.24`	`faen`	`dpkg If you have to ask, you shouldn't.`
`13:42.25`	`asg`	`abrotman: btw, the ggtgg link is broken`
`13:42.32`	`abrotman`	`asg: so they said`
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`13:42.55`	`abrotman`	`!iyhtays`
`13:42.55`	`dpkg`	`If you have to ask, you shouldn't.`
`13:43.15`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: what are you`
`13:43.16`	`dpkg`	`I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>`
`13:43.40`	`abrotman`	`faen: make sense ?`
`13:43.40`	`Theoretic`	`dpkg is an it, wow an it, now this IS NEWS>`
`13:43.49`	`asg`	`!girl's guide to geek guys`
`13:43.49`	`dpkg`	`somebody said girl's guide to geek guys was http://www.crash.com/fun/texts/gg2gg.html`
`13:43.51`	`AlphaUser`	`I just upgraded my gateway to sid, now starting named complains: "named: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14" I can't browse the internet to look up a solution, I had to connect to IRC directly by IP... anyone know a solution?`
`13:44.13`	`abrotman`	`asg: just a quick browse .. that's horribly dated`
`13:44.21`	`abrotman`	`AlphaUser: bts`
`13:44.21`	`RvGaTe`	`anyone wants to play a game of quake3 rocket arena ? :D`
`13:44.25`	`faen`	`ahh yes, now it does`
`13:44.39`	`AlphaUser`	`abrotman-`
`13:44.42`	`AlphaUser`	`abrotman- bts?`
`13:44.51`	`abrotman`	`!btssmite AlphaUser`
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`13:44.53`	`streuner__`	`dpkg, bts`
`13:44.54`	`dpkg`	`bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges`
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`13:45.03`	`ginipig`	`jeez`
`13:45.06`	`nkuttler`	`AlphaUser: _why_ do you run unstable if you don't even know the bts?`
`13:45.07`	`ginipig`	`bored?`
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`13:45.45`	`streuner__`	`AlphaUser: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges for next time`
`13:46.12`	`abrotman`	`!broken ssl is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321721`
`13:46.12`	`dpkg`	`okay, abrotman`
`13:46.21`	`AlphaUser`	`DNS is not working...`
`13:46.28`	`streuner__`	`!dbugs 321721`
`13:46.32`	`dpkg`	`#321721:M[libssl0.9.7] cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14 Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:03:02 UTC`
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`13:46.45`	`abrotman`	`!win me!`
`13:46.45`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, me!! You have won the US presidency!`
`13:47.05`	`streuner__`	`well, it would be better, but...`
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`13:47.08`	`Theoretic`	`!homosexual`
`13:47.08`	`dpkg`	`homosexual is probably your secret inner sexual preference`
`13:47.14`	`abrotman`	`if an op comes strolling by .. can we get broken ssl in the topic ?`
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`13:47.23`	`Theoretic`	`wow dpkg is full of awnsers.`
`13:47.31`	`Theoretic`	`lets abuse this bot more`
`13:47.33`	`streuner__`	`abrotman: !ops foo would do it...`
`13:47.34`	`ginipig`	`!debian`
`13:47.34`	`dpkg`	`debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents`
`13:47.35`	`sep`	`!botabuse`
`13:47.35`	`dpkg`	`lay off me you buggerererers!!11!`
`13:47.37`	`Theoretic`	`!rape`
`13:47.52`	`Theoretic`	`!cock`
`13:47.53`	`dpkg`	`from memory, cock is what ody eats every hour. For the record, I love the cock.`
`13:48.01`	`ginipig`	`wow`
`13:48.02`	`asg`	`Theoretic: /msg the bot`
`13:48.07`	`Theoretic`	`very true very true`
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`13:48.10`	`streuner__`	`Theoretic: don't abuse the bot too much`
`13:48.22`	`Theoretic`	`meh, everyone wants to see his output`
`13:48.36`	`asg`	`then everyone can join #debian-bots`
`13:48.46`	`stew`	`!stupid bot tricks`
`13:48.46`	`dpkg`	`Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really must do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. /join #debian-bots and play there`
`13:48.54`	`faen`	`I need some sort of automated set-up script so I can get my work done without tinkering all day`
`13:49.07`	`sep`	`faen, you need fai`
`13:49.07`	`abrotman`	`streuner__: no freaking way .. i've seen others get in trouble`
`13:49.14`	`faen`	`fai?`
`13:49.16`	`asg`	`faen: vi ~/bin/postinstall.sh`
`13:49.18`	`sep`	`!fai`
`13:49.18`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai`
`13:49.19`	`abrotman`	`!fai`
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`13:49.50`	`faen`	`thank yo`
`13:49.51`	`faen`	`u`
`13:49.52`	`faen`	`you`
`13:49.59`	`streuner__`	`!ops libssl is broken in sid, it would be great if it is in /topic ...`
`13:49.59`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: libssl is broken in sid, it would be great if it is in /topic ...`
`13:50.00`	`faen`	`?me checks it out`
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`13:50.31`	`abrotman`	`streuner__: but you forgot to mention !broken sll`
`13:50.34`	`abrotman`	`err broken ssl`
`13:50.40`	`greycat`	`streuner__: bug number?`
`13:50.46`	`abrotman`	`!broken ssl`
`13:50.46`	`dpkg`	`hmm... broken ssl is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321721`
`13:50.47`	`streuner__`	`!dbugs 321721`
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`13:50.51`	`dpkg`	`#321721:M[libssl0.9.7] cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14 Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:03:02 UTC`
`13:51.07`	`greycat`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:51.09`	`abrotman`	`how it's only minor .. i have no idea`
`13:51.16`	`ginipig`	`haha, yeah`
`13:51.23`	`abrotman`	`I just did a dist-upgrade, and every time I try to run a program linked`
`13:51.23`	`abrotman`	`with libcrypto I get the following error:`
`13:51.25`	`abrotman`	`bah`
`13:51.38`	`pgimeno`	`I'm having trouble with ALSA mixing. In one of my boxes it works perfectly but in the other the access to the sound card is exclusive. They use different cards; may that be the problem or am I missing a package to install? any clue?`
`13:51.55`	`hmakholm`	`abrotman: Nice informative error message :-)`
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`13:52.14`	`abrotman`	`hmakholm: read the bug .. i was just pointing out that it seems to be every package linked to libcrypto`
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`13:52.34`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: what do u mean by exclusive access?`
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`13:52.44`	`Theoretic`	`GREYCAT, HOW NICE OF YOU TO JOIN US`
`13:52.51`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: I mean that no two applications can reproduce sounds at the same time`
`13:53.14`	`*** topic/#debian by greycat -> Meet Gnea and dondelelcaro at LWE SF (Booth #2037) \| GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian \| FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ \| BTS: /msg dpkg bts \| gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! \| X.org is in sid \| sid's libssl0.9.7 broken: /msg dpkg broken ssl \| USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here \| /msg bots NOT people \| Java -> /msg dpkg java \| kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 \| NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main`
`13:53.25`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: are you using asoundrc for dmixing?`
`13:53.35`	`streuner__`	`thanks greycat`
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`13:53.54`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: or do you have some sort of sound-wrapper ala esd, arts`
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`13:54.21`	`abrotman`	`greycat: thank you`
`13:54.33`	`greycat`	`not sure whether it's better to use "/msg dpkg broken ssl" or just put the bug number straight into the topic`
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`13:54.41`	`greycat`	`but I suppose someone might add something to the factoid later`
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`13:55.01`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: asoundrc? in the machine where the sound mixing works it may have been created automatically but I don't have a clue if that's the cause, should I check that before going on?`
`13:55.13`	`abrotman`	`greycat: and the bug number is apparent in the factoid`
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`13:55.39`	`EduardoOliva`	`Hi folks, the version 3.0 r2 is woody or sarge?`
`13:55.45`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: yep. unless mixing is enabled system-wide by default, you'll need to create it`
`13:55.45`	`abrotman`	`woody`
`13:55.48`	`abrotman`	`and old woody`
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`13:55.53`	`greycat`	`abrotman: but then you have to go to the extra step of 1) joining #debian (or -bots) and 2) asking dpkg. Although I suppose you could just go straight to bugs.d.o/libssl0.9.7 since I included the full pkg name.`
`13:55.54`	`abrotman`	`!d-i EduardoOliva`
`13:55.55`	`dpkg`	`EduardoOliva, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`13:55.57`	`Angel-SL`	`anyone knows where to get the driver for soundcard macnuferer SiS`
`13:55.58`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: thanks, I'm going to check`
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`13:56.19`	`abrotman`	`greycat: you could .. you do give that info .. though .. who the hell reads topics :)`
`13:56.28`	`greycat`	`abrotman: any intelligent sid user`
`13:56.35`	`abrotman`	`greycat: all three of them?`
`13:56.38`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`13:56.38`	`sep`	`Angel-SL, in linux all drivers are in the kernel. and except for very new stuff, it's included there`
`13:56.52`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin`
`13:57.02`	`greycat`	`abrotman: there could be a huge silent majority of them lurking out there. we'd never know. we only hear from the morons.`
`13:57.02`	`nkuttler`	`any ideas how long there will be security updates for woody?`
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`13:57.17`	`pgimeno`	`thanks ginipig... there's no asoundrc in the machine where mixing works, I'm somewhat puzzled...`
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`13:57.29`	`greycat`	`nkuttler: last I heard, one year from sarge's release`
`13:57.31`	`abrotman`	`greycat: there are apparently quite a few :)`
`13:57.36`	`Angel-SL`	`XMMS gives an error about asking me to check wheter etc..`
`13:57.38`	`nkuttler`	`greycat: great!`
`13:57.43`	`Theoretic`	`abrotman: you possibly?`
`13:57.56`	`abrotman`	`Theoretic: no .. i'm smart enough that i don't run sid :)`
`13:58.07`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: are u using kde/gnome?`
`13:58.09`	`Theoretic`	`Im smart enough that I dont run debian.`
`13:58.09`	`abrotman`	`Theoretic: i prefer all must stuff to be in working order ..`
`13:58.09`	`greycat`	`Angel-SL: if you meet the xmms developers, please smack them for me, for giving such a useless and stupid error message.`
`13:58.10`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`13:58.10`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`13:58.18`	`abrotman`	`Theoretic: so you're just here to troll ?`
`13:58.26`	`greycat`	`Angel-SL: meanwhile, use a COMMAND LINE tool to try to play a sound file and get a real, useful error message that we can work with.`
`13:58.33`	`ginipig`	`it's EWE`
`13:58.34`	`rastaval`	`lol`
`13:58.44`	`greycat`	`ginipig: move all sheep!`
`13:58.49`	`Theoretic`	`nah, ive been using debian for 6 months`
`13:58.50`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: nope`
`13:58.52`	`Angel-SL`	`greycat, what command?`
`13:58.53`	`ginipig`	`:)`
`13:59.05`	`greycat`	`Angel-SL: mpg321, or "play" from sox, or just "echo hi > /dev/dsp"`
`13:59.16`	`greycat`	`assuming you're attempting OSS.`
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`14:00.00`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: I'm using WindowMaker, no desktop`
`14:00.01`	`choco1ate`	`where is the grub file installed on debian`
`14:00.12`	`greycat`	`choco1ate: read /usr/share/doc/grub/*`
`14:00.13`	`choco1ate`	`i just need to edit it and remove some OS links`
`14:00.25`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: are both machines identical?`
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`14:00.35`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: software-wise`
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`14:00.38`	`choco1ate`	`greycat, do you know where that file is installed off the top of your head :o`
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`14:00.46`	`greycat`	`choco1ate: yes, I do.`
`14:00.54`	`choco1ate`	`mind telling me`
`14:00.55`	`Angel-SL`	`greycat, mpg321 > bash: command not found.`
`14:00.57`	`greycat`	`choco1ate: yes.`
`14:01.03`	`greycat`	`!installit`
`14:01.03`	`dpkg`	`*** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>.`
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`14:01.22`	`choco1ate`	`not very helpful of you greycat`
`14:01.39`	`greycat`	`it's more helpful in the long run.`
`14:01.43`	`choco1ate`	`does anybody excluding greycat know where the grub file is installed on debian sarge`
`14:01.44`	`choco1ate`	`thanks`
`14:01.44`	`abrotman`	`choco1ate: did you read the docs ?`
`14:01.45`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: they both have Debian and alsa; unless I missed some package to install for mixing they should work the same (except they have different sound cards)`
`14:01.51`	`greycat`	`teaching you how to find and read documentation will spare us a million questions from you later.`
`14:01.52`	`Angel-SL`	`greycat, Where do i get the m`
`14:01.56`	`abrotman`	`choco1ate: all of us do .. but we're telling you to READ`
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`14:02.06`	`greycat`	`Angel-SL: just use echo hi > /dev/dsp`
`14:02.06`	`choco1ate`	`thanks for nothing!`
`14:02.12`	`abrotman`	`you could read ....`
`14:02.13`	`asg`	`choco1ate: man grub (/conf)`
`14:02.19`	`Angel-SL`	`greycat, gives nothing.`
`14:02.20`	`ginipig`	`choco1ate: no holdinghands here`
`14:02.29`	`Theoretic`	`abrotman: get off the greycat bag please.`
`14:02.52`	`Theoretic`	`I personally think a handbook similar to freebsd's infamous handbook would suit debian`
`14:02.55`	`abrotman`	`Theoretic: what the fuck is your problem asshole?`
`14:03.02`	`Theoretic`	`umm you?`
`14:03.03`	`greycat`	`Theoretic: write it.`
`14:03.05`	`abrotman`	`Theoretic: leave me the fuck alone`
`14:03.11`	`abrotman`	`fucking ass ..`
`14:03.15`	`Theoretic`	`abrotman: you are angry`
`14:03.19`	`abrotman`	`Theoretic: you're stupid?`
`14:03.21`	`Theoretic`	`calm down dear.`
`14:03.25`	`ginipig`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:03.31`	`abrotman`	`shit for brains`
`14:03.38`	`Theoretic`	`whoo.`
`14:03.47`	`streuner__`	`ignore is your friend`
`14:03.49`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: dunno`
`14:03.52`	`asg`	`Theoretic: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html (pretty comprehensive)`
`14:03.52`	`choco1ate`	`the guys that were in here 2 hours ago were doing a good job`
`14:03.54`	`abrotman`	`streuner__: too late`
`14:03.55`	`thingfish`	`don't make me call your all's parents!`
`14:03.56`	`Theoretic`	`I could come out with a flood of insults.`
`14:04.00`	`choco1ate`	`very helpful people :)`
`14:04.08`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: thanks anyway, I'll be checking about dmix`
`14:04.10`	`abrotman`	`choco1ate: zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz`
`14:04.12`	`choco1ate`	`if i wanted to read the manual i wouldnt ask :P`
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`14:04.17`	`*** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ`
`14:04.19`	`asg`	`choco1ate: bye`
`14:04.22`	`*** mode/#debian [+b %choco1ate!@] by greycat`
`14:04.26`	`*** mode/#debian [+b %Theoretic!@] by greycat`
`14:04.33`	`yazid-work`	`choco1ate: are you looking for /boot/grub/menu.lst?`
`14:04.33`	`*** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat`
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`14:04.43`	`asg`	`yazid-work: he was too lame to look`
`14:04.44`	`ginipig`	`why choc?`
`14:04.48`	`ginipig`	`ah`
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`14:04.50`	`abrotman`	`yazid-work: yes .. but the docs explain it very well`
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`14:05.07`	`abrotman`	`yazid-work: i told him the exact file to look in`
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`14:05.23`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: np. g'luck`
`14:05.25`	`abrotman`	`yazid-work: and using zless . it's the second page ....`
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`14:06.30`	`Arafangion`	`What version is sarge?`
`14:06.32`	`asg`	`3.1`
`14:06.42`	`Arafangion`	`Is that stable, or the old stable?`
`14:06.47`	`asg`	`stable`
`14:06.52`	`Ecligprs`	`stable`
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`14:07.03`	`Arafangion`	`Cool, should I change it to "stable", then?`
`14:07.09`	`yazid-work`	`choco1ate: it's k. but please refrain from /msg'ing people without asking first, for some reason some perceive that as very obnoxious`
`14:07.10`	`Arafangion`	`Or keep it as sarge?`
`14:07.21`	`asg`	`Arafangion: it doesn't matter`
`14:07.24`	`Arafangion`	`Cool.`
`14:07.26`	`greycat`	`Arafangion: if you want to migrate to etch when etch becomes stable, use "stable".`
`14:07.43`	`greycat`	`Arafangion: if you want to stay on 3.1 forever (or until you change it), use "sarge".`
`14:07.49`	`abrotman`	`yazid-work: he cannot speak here`
`14:07.49`	`Ecligprs`	`"when etch becomes stable" heh, that sounds so unreal`
`14:08.04`	`Arafangion`	`I might as well keep it as sarge, less surprises that way.`
`14:08.09`	`greycat`	`bound to happen some day assuming debian doesn't implode`
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`14:08.31`	`Ecligprs`	`greycat, or apocalypse hits before`
`14:08.39`	`streuner__`	`Ecligprs: if someone said this about sarge 3 months ago, it would be the same ... ;-)`
`14:09.07`	`ginipig`	`what's the next stable-release called, btw?`
`14:09.08`	`Ecligprs`	`>.<`
`14:09.09`	`Ecligprs`	`Uhhuh. NMI received. Dazed and confused, but trying to continue`
`14:09.09`	`Ecligprs`	`You probably have a hardware problem with your RAM chips`
`14:09.24`	`Ecligprs`	`etch`
`14:09.29`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: just to be sure, is there a possibility that the sound card's driver allows mixing per se? (it's an emu10k1 in the machine where mixing works)`
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`14:09.43`	`greycat`	`!etch`
`14:09.43`	`dpkg`	`i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/`
`14:09.59`	`ginipig`	`next-testing, i meant :)`
`14:10.11`	`greycat`	`ginipig: names aren't chosen that far in advance`
`14:10.29`	`Ecligprs`	`yeah, there might not be next testing :p`
`14:10.31`	`ginipig`	`greycat: yeah, i was just watching toystory earlier today with my nephew. thought i'd ask`
`14:10.38`	`Ecligprs`	`(just kidding)`
`14:10.57`	`Csiga`	`hi all`
`14:10.57`	`ginipig`	`:o`
`14:11.00`	`greycat`	`Ecligprs: you should.`
`14:11.12`	`Ecligprs`	`bah :)`
`14:11.20`	`Csiga`	`what is the rules?`
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`14:11.25`	`greycat`	`!guidelines`
`14:11.25`	`dpkg`	`1) read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. (2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question.4) Read docs: (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots. See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam., if`
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`14:11.32`	`faen`	`what are the differences between etch and sarge?`
`14:11.38`	`tarzeau`	`what is the module name for CONFIG_PACKET=m ?`
`14:11.50`	`yazid-work`	`faen: how are we to know yet?`
`14:11.53`	`tarzeau`	`faen: sarge is a plastic soldier`
`14:11.53`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: yeah, it's possible. hardware mixing, if it's supported by the linux drivers, is less of a hassle to set up than software mixing`
`14:11.57`	`Hamled`	`is libc6 2.3.5 binary compatible with 2.3.4?`
`14:12.12`	`greycat`	`Hamled: in one direction, certainly. not sure about t'other.`
`14:12.23`	`Hamled`	`greycat, well, yeah :)`
`14:12.32`	`faen`	`yazid-work, well I just figured they have cerain objectives that would be let known to the public`
`14:12.37`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: oh, thanks... that may be the cause then`
`14:12.55`	`greycat`	`faen: etch is testing. it has the objective of being the next version of debian.`
`14:13.01`	`faen`	`most of the distros I have used before debian have always stated what they plan to include/fix/change in future releases`
`14:13.03`	`abrotman`	`faen: afaik .. no real plans yet for etch`
`14:13.09`	`greycat`	`faen: if you mean specific release goals, see the d-d-a archives.`
`14:13.10`	`hmakholm`	`Hamled: The glibc maintainer's guess is in the shlibs file in libc6-dev`
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`14:13.21`	`abrotman`	`faen: except to hopefully release before the 32bit unix clock runs out`
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`14:13.31`	`faen`	`lol`
`14:13.32`	`Ecligprs`	`haha`
`14:13.37`	`Ecligprs`	`when is that anyway`
`14:13.43`	`faen`	`that happens on 07, correct?`
`14:13.44`	`greycat`	`Ecligprs: jan 2038`
`14:13.45`	`abrotman`	`2038 .. 2039 ..`
`14:13.46`	`faen`	`or is it 08?`
`14:13.50`	`abrotman`	`see .. greycat knows`
`14:14.02`	`ginipig`	`Debian "Bo-Peep" 3.3`
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`14:14.07`	`abrotman`	`i thought it was 2039`
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`14:14.17`	`abrotman`	`ginipig: huh ? .. there was already Bo`
`14:14.19`	`abrotman`	`!releases`
`14:14.19`	`yazid-work`	`wonder if anybody will be using 32bit hardware by then`
`14:14.19`	`dpkg`	`Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>.`
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`14:14.26`	`greycat`	`imadev:~$ perl -e 'print scalar localtime 2**31-1 , "\n"'`
`14:14.26`	`greycat`	`Mon Jan 18 22:14:07 2038`
`14:14.33`	`abrotman`	`yazid-work: people are still using mainframes ....`
`14:14.34`	`Ecligprs`	`most computers should be 64bit by then I think :p`
`14:14.35`	`ginipig`	`abrotman: whoops`
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`14:14.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`I have buy 2 CDRW and not are posible to record or erase this... but in the shop, records good...`
`14:14.55`	`greycat`	`Ecligprs: applications have to be recompiled too.`
`14:15.02`	`greycat`	`Ecligprs: (after the libraries are made compliant)`
`14:15.10`	`yazid-work`	`abrotman: aren't some of these actually 31 bit boxen, which would overrun earlier?`
`14:15.23`	`faen`	`I think it'd be nice to see a release with maybe 3-4 cd's a nice graphical installer with workstation/desktop/server bundles preconfigured so a user can boot right into x if he/she wants to`
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`14:15.27`	`Ecligprs`	`greycat, most applications also are outdated by then`
`14:15.39`	`tarzeau`	`faen: that already exists`
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`14:15.45`	`greycat`	`Ecligprs: "Nobody will ever be using this program in year 2000!"`
`14:15.46`	`tarzeau`	`faen: it's called, http://livecd.gnustep.org/`
`14:15.47`	`faen`	`tarzeau, where?`
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`14:15.54`	`Ecligprs`	`greycat, yea yea :)`
`14:16.03`	`Arafangion`	`Why is the sudoers file so complicated?`
`14:16.08`	`tarzeau`	`Arafangion: it's not`
`14:16.11`	`Arafangion`	`(Well, the man page is quite obtuse)`
`14:16.12`	`tarzeau`	`Arafangion: but smb.conf is`
`14:16.16`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: af_packet`
`14:16.19`	`yazid-work`	`right now, I am still pissed that the floppy install seems to have LOST a lot of functionality... last time, just used it as a dbootstrap platform since I lost my patience with the partitioner`
`14:16.23`	`Arafangion`	`tarzeau, I find smb.conf quite simple.`
`14:16.24`	`greycat`	`Arafangion: because it was written by people on drugs.`
`14:16.24`	`streuner__`	`tarzeau: that's very subjectiv :-)`
`14:16.35`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: thank you`
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`14:16.40`	`tarzeau`	`streuner__: no it's the truth!`
`14:16.40`	`greycat`	`tarzeau: at least smb.conf is almost human-readable`
`14:16.42`	`streuner__`	`Arafangion: google for examples`
`14:16.44`	`chrisb7`	`hippie, my friend is currently installing debian for the first time. so he wants to have graphical support for his work. but he had just downloaded the first cd1. my question now: on which debian cd is the package for kde and its dependencies? does somebody know?`
`14:17.02`	`greycat`	`chrisb7: auto nick complete is the work of the devil`
`14:17.16`	`abrotman`	`yazid-work: probably .. but i'm just pointing out that hardware sticks around for a long time`
`14:17.17`	`faen`	`gnustep is not quite what I am talking about`
`14:17.23`	`BeatBiter`	`get ubuntu it is based on debian and only 1 cd`
`14:17.31`	`greycat`	`chrisb7: when he tried to install KDE from that CD, did it work?`
`14:17.32`	`chrisb7`	`greycat, sry, that wasnt in my mind :/ xchat did, args`
`14:18.01`	`abrotman`	`BeatBiter: try not to advocate another distro in the channel :)`
`14:18.12`	`chrisb7`	`greycat, no, it states that the package couldnt be found at all`
`14:18.13`	`yazid-work`	`speaking of that ... how can I tell a text mode d/i "I already set up the partitions and filesystems, tell me where you want the mounted and get it on"?`
`14:18.19`	`chrisb7`	`he just have cd1`
`14:18.21`	`faen`	`BeatBiter, tried ubuntu, not a huge fan`
`14:18.25`	`abrotman`	`chrisb7: does he have broadband ?`
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`14:18.38`	`greycat`	`chrisb7: then install it from the network like the rest of us.`
`14:18.45`	`greycat`	`nobody knows what's on which CD because none of have the CDs.`
`14:18.45`	`Ecligprs`	`hmm`
`14:18.48`	`chrisb7`	`abrotman, no, unfortuanelty`
`14:18.52`	`tarzeau`	`Arafangion: then you've never used NFS, right?`
`14:18.54`	`abrotman`	`chrisb7: 56k ?`
`14:18.54`	`Ecligprs`	`I wonder how long installing debian would take on gprs`
`14:18.58`	`Arafangion`	`tarzeau, Nope.`
`14:19.03`	`abrotman`	`Eclipser: your bill would suck ..`
`14:19.03`	`chrisb7`	`abrotman, no network on that pc`
`14:19.08`	`tarzeau`	`Arafangion: that's what i call simple`
`14:19.08`	`abrotman`	`chrisb7: at all?`
`14:19.09`	`kneet`	`Ecligprs, I'd rather not have to find out`
`14:19.10`	`chrisb7`	`so no internet as well`
`14:19.10`	`greycat`	`chrisb7: that's SICK!`
`14:19.12`	`tarzeau`	`Arafangion: NOT smb.conf`
`14:19.14`	`Ecligprs`	`abrotman, probably :p`
`14:19.15`	`chrisb7`	`yea, it does`
`14:19.20`	`abrotman`	`chrisb7: got access to a DVD burner ?`
`14:19.23`	`greycat`	`what kind of crazy lunatic would have a unix box and NOT connect it?`
`14:19.23`	`streuner__`	`Ecligprs: the problem is NOT how long, the problem is how expensive ;-)`
`14:19.26`	`Ecligprs`	`16.8e/100MB/month`
`14:19.30`	`chrisb7`	`abrotman, no *g+ jsut cd`
`14:19.36`	`Ecligprs`	`+1.22e/MB after 100MB`
`14:19.43`	`abrotman`	`chrisb7: his best bet is to buy a CD set ...`
`14:19.47`	`chrisb7`	`that's why i ask on which cd we will find kde..`
`14:19.50`	`abrotman`	`or a DVD set`
`14:19.58`	`yazid-work`	`with NFS, the complexity is not in the config but in understand the causes for certain errors that can happen ;-)`
`14:20.04`	`chrisb7`	`nobody has the cd's here?`
`14:20.10`	`thingfish`	`I do.`
`14:20.19`	`abrotman`	`chrisb7: i haven't downloaded an single iso yet .. except the netinst`
`14:20.29`	`chrisb7`	`thingfish, can you plese take a look on which actualy located kde?`
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`14:20.51`	`thingfish`	`chrisb7: sure, let me take a look.`
`14:20.57`	`greycat`	`chrisb7: why does it matter to YOU to know which CD it will be on? if you don't have a network on that PC, you JUST FUCKING ORDER ALL FOURTEEN CDs. Then you have them all and you don't care which one it'll be. You just let it prompt you.`
`14:21.06`	`sgeigerbot`	`I like working with CDW a lot...but I was wondering whether any of you guys get better prices consistently elsewhere?`
`14:21.09`	`TigerTjader`	`hi`
`14:21.13`	`chrisb7`	`abrotman, i havent download any iso as well (except boot-cd), only my friend does`
`14:21.21`	`chrisb7`	`thingfish, thx :))`
`14:21.21`	`faen`	`who wants to order anything?`
`14:21.22`	`faen`	`not me.`
`14:21.33`	`TigerTjader`	`how do I change the xwindows' resolution?`
`14:21.38`	`greycat`	`!drxx TigerTjader`
`14:21.39`	`dpkg`	`TigerTjader: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) \|\| if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`14:22.02`	`thingfish`	`chrisb7: it looks like it's on CD 1.`
`14:22.10`	`chrisb7`	`thingfish, cd1??`
`14:22.12`	`greycat`	`thingfish: that would have been my guess as well.`
`14:22.14`	`chrisb7`	`weird`
`14:22.17`	`Zapelius`	`Debian's perl is threaded? 'perl -V' reads "config_args='-Dusethreads ..", using Thread's in perl seems to work fine, but these threads do not share their resources.. They are like forks. I'm confused.`
`14:22.20`	`sgeigerbot`	`!+xmd5`
`14:22.20`	`dpkg`	`If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 \| diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made.`
`14:22.21`	`thingfish`	`yep, in poo/main/k`
`14:22.25`	`thingfish`	`*pool`
`14:22.28`	`faen`	`hmms, seems a lot of debian packages are sort of old`
`14:22.32`	`greycat`	`sgeigerbot: uh, why did you spam us with that?`
`14:22.32`	`chrisb7`	`thingfish, thank you`
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`14:22.36`	`thingfish`	`np`
`14:22.39`	`ajpr`	`hi all`
`14:22.49`	`chrisb7`	`my friend have to take a closer look`
`14:22.55`	`abrotman`	`sgeigerbot: depends on the item`
`14:22.57`	`Ecligprs`	`faen, stable was released 2-3 months ago`
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`14:23.04`	`Ecligprs`	`on june 4th or so?`
`14:23.05`	`Zapelius`	`Or is it just that perl-binary uses threading if the kernel supports it (and maybe an SMP CPU), not that perl is Tread -enabled =`
`14:23.07`	`greycat`	`!sarge`
`14:23.07`	`abrotman`	`!sarge`
`14:23.08`	`dpkg`	`Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes`
`14:23.08`	`Zapelius`	`?`
`14:23.09`	`Ecligprs`	`!sarge`
`14:23.11`	`ajpr`	`is there a way to read all the messages at bootup from linux?`
`14:23.11`	`abrotman`	`nice`
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`14:23.15`	`Ecligprs`	`hehe`
`14:23.15`	`thingfish`	`chrisb7: if your friend selects "Desktop Environment" during the base-config, he'll get KDE.`
`14:23.15`	`chrisb7`	`greycat, there is no need to download all 14 cds if he just needs some of them like kde :)`
`14:23.21`	`thingfish`	`along with Gnome.`
`14:23.22`	`greycat`	`ajpr: /msg dpkg bootlogd`
`14:23.25`	`abrotman`	`chrisb7: more than likely .. he'll want them`
`14:23.28`	`ajpr`	`thx`
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`14:23.39`	`faen`	`Ecligprs, so there is no coninuous package update/etc?`
`14:23.41`	`abrotman`	`chrisb7: does he have dvd drive ?`
`14:23.43`	`greycat`	`chrisb7: they're sorted by popularity. If it's not on CD 1, it'll be on CD 2.`
`14:23.45`	`Ecligprs`	`!win greycat`
`14:23.46`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, greycat! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!`
`14:23.49`	`chrisb7`	`abrotman, he is just going to test debian on his old pc`
`14:23.52`	`sgeigerbot`	`abrotman: Who are some other options you might go to for Thinkpads?`
`14:23.54`	`Ecligprs`	`faen, not for sarge, only security...`
`14:23.57`	`abrotman`	`chrisb7: no dvd then?`
`14:24.01`	`thingfish`	`I chose Desktop Environment, File Server, and Print Server during setup, and I only needed the first two CDs.`
`14:24.02`	`abrotman`	`sgeigerbot: IBM :)`
`14:24.06`	`chrisb7`	`abrotman, no..`
`14:24.07`	`abrotman`	`sgeigerbot: i assume you mean new ...`
`14:24.16`	`abrotman`	`chrisb7: http://linuxcentral.com/catalog/index.php3?prod_code=L000-428&id=C1CuAfepKjcCR`
`14:24.23`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: definitively emu10k1 supports hardware mixing as does the driver, so that may be the cause of it working in one computer and not in another; thank you for the tip. I'll look up how to set up software mixing with dmix. Is it supposed to be installed by default in Debian?`
`14:24.25`	`greycat`	`faen: stable means "no new stuff".`
`14:24.29`	`chrisb7`	`maybe he should download the second cd too`
`14:24.50`	`TigerTjader`	`thanks dpkg`
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`14:24.58`	`faen`	`ahh, I just expected to see the latest fluxbox devel, gnome and a few other things I guess`
`14:25.15`	`TigerTjader`	`the keyboard code for Brazilian ABNT2 is bx?`
`14:25.47`	`faen`	`one thing I can say is I like the way apt works on debian, tried it on other distros but had problems with dependancies and whatnot`
`14:25.52`	`uid0`	`.`
`14:25.54`	`sgeigerbot`	`abrotman: yes.`
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`14:27.14`	`spf`	`abrotman: how can I use the patch after I've downloaded the source with apt-get source openssl?`
`14:28.09`	`TigerTjader`	`my xwindows is not working, the screen blinks black and then gives me an error`
`14:28.14`	`chrisb7`	`thingfish, abrotman greycat, i have given the log of our chat my friend just now..`
`14:28.22`	`chrisb7`	`thx anyway`
`14:28.30`	`streuner__`	`spf: why do you think you need to patch it?`
`14:28.41`	`spf`	`it has a bug in it`
`14:28.55`	`spf`	`http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321721`
`14:28.59`	`TigerTjader`	`fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X Server ":0.0"`
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`14:29.15`	`chapeaurouge`	`do any of you guys have a nice config file for a local debian mirror, only for the i386 main ?`
`14:29.19`	`chapeaurouge`	`please msg me, thanks.`
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`14:29.48`	`sgeigerbot`	`abrotman: yes`
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`14:30.04`	`spf`	`but I don't know how to patch it`
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`14:30.12`	`streuner__`	`spf: /j #debian-devel or #debian-boot and ask 'vorlon'`
`14:30.26`	`spf`	`k`
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`14:31.03`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: nah. You'll need to create an .asoundrc. Use the guide's as a template`
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`14:31.32`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: you mean /etc/apt/sources.list?`
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`14:33.02`	`abrotman`	`sgeigerbot: i bought mine from IBM .. but i had EPP to use`
`14:33.07`	`chapeaurouge`	`sgeigerbot, no. I am trying to rsync to be have a local mirror here of the repository.`
`14:33.07`	`cezzar`	`alooah`
`14:33.25`	`chapeaurouge`	`i mean basically a nice EXPORT variable :)`
`14:33.33`	`pgimeno`	`ginipig: nice, thank you very much for your help!`
`14:33.35`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: view /etc/apt/sources.list ...and then change your file so that it points to localhost.`
`14:33.37`	`streuner__`	`spf: are you still around?`
`14:33.52`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: ...of course, this means yo uhave ot run a web or ftp server...`
`14:33.52`	`spf`	`yea`
`14:33.59`	`chapeaurouge`	`sgeigerbot, i am rsyncing atm`
`14:34.01`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: My guess is that it is very simple...`
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`14:34.15`	`streuner__`	spf: "Bug reassigned from package `libssl0.9.7' to `glibc'. Request was from Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org"
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`14:34.20`	`abrotman`	`sgeigerbot: if you have a friend/family who works for IBM .. EPP is prettty nice`
`14:34.34`	`chapeaurouge`	`i need to EXCLUDE all the branch i dont need. but apparently, my EXCLUDE is not exhaustive enough in the script provided on debian.org/mirror`
`14:34.42`	`spf`	`what does that mean?`
`14:34.45`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: as soon as you have one package on your Web server, you should be able to test this. Make sure you look at the error log of your web server to find out whether apt-get is trying to access an incorrect path.`
`14:34.45`	`streuner__`	`spf: if its a libc6 bugs you could hardly fix the package then...`
`14:34.56`	`streuner__`	`spf: s/bugs/bug/`
`14:35.01`	`chapeaurouge`	`sgeigerbot, you didn't understand. My local mirror is not up yet.`
`14:35.16`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: why are you rsyncing?`
`14:35.19`	`chapeaurouge`	`..`
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`14:35.32`	`spf`	`I know, so I tried to patch it`
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`14:35.35`	`chapeaurouge`	`sgeigerbot, to have a local mirror here.`
`14:35.35`	`abrotman`	`sgeigerbot: what about newegg ?`
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`14:35.40`	`madclicker`	`ahoy, anyone using sarge with grub as a desktop system?`
`14:35.41`	`streuner__`	`spf: libc6?`
`14:35.48`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: many people`
`14:35.53`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: Do you know how many GB that requires?`
`14:35.55`	`madclicker`	`hey abrotman, sup ma brother`
`14:36.01`	`abrotman`	`work :)`
`14:36.03`	`chapeaurouge`	`for the i386 main... around 10GB i guess`
`14:36.19`	`madclicker`	`abrotman: i stoped working`
`14:36.19`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: seems like a waste...`
`14:36.23`	`madclicker`	`now am slaving`
`14:36.25`	`madclicker`	`:)`
`14:36.30`	`chapeaurouge`	`not for my particular situation ;)`
`14:37.01`	`ginipig`	`pgimeno: :)`
`14:37.04`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: Are you sure you don't just want to use squid to cache downloads so that other machines can use the package from the squid archive?`
`14:37.10`	`umbop`	`hey guys, i've just created two users, and given them passwords for ftp, however, if i try to ftp localhost and test them it says login failed, i've changed the passwords twice, and it won't let me in with those new users`
`14:37.11`	`chapeaurouge`	`sgeigerbot, no.`
`14:37.16`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: I find it very unlikely that you need to have all 10GB.`
`14:37.17`	`umbop`	`i've checked and can see the directory in /home/`
`14:37.23`	`umbop`	`which is reflected in /etc/passwd file`
`14:37.24`	`abrotman`	`umbop: shell is valid ?`
`14:37.35`	`chapeaurouge`	`sgeigerbot, i am the one that knows that. Thanks. We are diverging from my initial question.`
`14:37.42`	`umbop`	`its /bin/false`
`14:37.46`	`madclicker`	`abrotman: am trying to set "spashimages" for grub but its a nogo`
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`14:37.59`	`abrotman`	`umbop: and is that a valid shell in /etc/shells ?`
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`14:38.00`	`sgeigerbot`	`chapeaurouge: just trying to conserve bandwidth for the good of all...`
`14:38.01`	`spf`	`streuner__: are you trying to say I should use libc6 instead of openssl?`
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`14:38.06`	`Arafangion`	`You know one thing that _never_ ceases to surprise me?`
`14:38.12`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: uhm .. i dont use a splashimage .. but i thought it was straightforward`
`14:38.12`	`Arafangion`	`Why the heck is 'tar' always updated?`
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`14:38.25`	`sgeigerbot`	`spf: libc6 and openssl are two different things...`
`14:38.30`	`umbop`	`ahhh`
`14:38.38`	`umbop`	`you're right.. thanks :)`
`14:38.41`	`streuner__`	dpkg, broken ssl is also "Bug reassigned from package `libssl0.9.7' to `glibc'. Request was from Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org"
`14:38.41`	`dpkg`	`streuner__: okay`
`14:38.53`	`streuner__`	`spf: yes`
`14:39.06`	`madclicker`	`abrotman: yeah me to, i followed the /usr/share/doc/grub/readme.DEBIAN but it wont work`
`14:39.15`	`greycat`	`neat-o. been a while since we had a nice libc bug in sid.`
`14:39.19`	`streuner__`	`spf: if you want to fix this bug, my answers is yes then.`
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`14:39.32`	`hmakholm`	`Arafangion: what do you mean?`
`14:39.36`	`spf`	`I cannot fix the bug myself`
`14:39.43`	`madclicker`	`abrotman: when i do update-grub it just keeps spewing out "no splash omage found"`
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`14:39.48`	`madclicker`	`image`
`14:39.49`	`spf`	`I'm not dev`
`14:39.49`	`ajpr`	`sigh`
`14:39.49`	`greycat`	`spf: then don't run sid.`
`14:39.50`	`streuner__`	`spf: well, welcome to unstable`
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`14:39.56`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: and where's your image .. grub only supports certain types`
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`14:40.00`	`Arafangion`	`hmakholm, Seems that once a year 'tar' is upgraded.`
`14:40.03`	`ajpr`	`boot.log cant exist`
`14:40.03`	`spf`	`I know I know`
`14:40.10`	`greycat`	`ajpr: it can.`
`14:40.19`	`hmakholm`	`Arafangion: that is "always"????`
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`14:40.26`	`Arafangion`	`hmakholm, Of course.`
`14:40.27`	`kreep-`	hello. I`m trying to install gnome-desktop-environment, I can`t because it requires evince which requires libcairo1, and the only version I can find is 0.6.0, what can I do about it? (running unstable)
`14:40.30`	`sgeigerbot`	`madclicker: something like this will be in menu.lst: splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz`
`14:40.32`	`greycat`	`ajpr: of course, nothing creates a file with that name by default. but you could make one.`
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`14:40.47`	`greycat`	`ajpr: the proper name of the log file you want is IN the factoid that I pointed you to.`
`14:40.58`	`hmakholm`	`Arafangion`
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`14:41.01`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz lays it out pretty well`
`14:41.02`	`ajpr`	`greycat, i altered the bootlogd file and rebooted but boot.log never appeared`
`14:41.03`	`stew`	`kreep-: what version of debian?`
`14:41.05`	`greycat`	`and note that you'll have to edit a file and then reboot to get it.`
`14:41.10`	`caption`	`server dune.irc-hispano.org`
`14:41.15`	`greycat`	`(but you already knew that because it's IN THE FACTOID.)`
`14:41.15`	`caption`	`perdon`
`14:41.17`	`madclicker`	`abrotman: i installed grub-spalshimages from dpkg and it is in /boot/grub/splashimages, but i also tried moving them to just /boot/grub`
`14:41.22`	`Arafangion`	`hmakholm, Yes?`
`14:41.27`	`greycat`	`ajpr: IT IS NOT FUCKING CALLED FUCKING boot.log!`
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`14:41.41`	`greycat`	`-rw-r----- 1 root adm 8449 Jun 7 09:12 /var/log/boot`
`14:41.42`	`kreep-`	`stew cat /etc/debian_version testing/unstable`
`14:41.46`	`greycat`	`READ THE GOD DAMNED FACTOID!`
`14:41.50`	`stew`	`kreep-: what do you have in your sources?`
`14:41.50`	`ajpr`	`greycat: whats it called then?`
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`14:41.54`	`hmakholm`	`Arafangion: My enter key is too close to my backspace key. Started to write a reply, then decided not to. Sorry.`
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`14:42.04`	`madclicker`	`abrotman: and this is what i get "Searching for splash image... none found, skipping..."`
`14:42.04`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: i've done it just as they describe .. but a long time ago`
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`14:42.13`	`ajpr`	`greycat: i read the factoid i thought`
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`14:42.26`	`sgeigerbot`	`hmakholm: You should use Ctrl-u instead.`
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`14:42.45`	`arcane`	`How can i make sure that portmap and ypbind is started at boot?`
`14:42.58`	`greycat`	`arcane: install them.`
`14:43.04`	`sgeigerbot`	`arcane: apt-get install rcconf`
`14:43.13`	`greycat`	`ypbind is in "nis" of course.`
`14:43.19`	`arcane`	`yes.`
`14:43.21`	`Arafangion`	`Does debian sarge use nptl?`
`14:43.22`	`ajpr`	`greycat, what factoid are you talking about?`
`14:43.22`	`greycat`	`!depends nis sarge`
`14:43.27`	`dpkg`	`nis: pre-depends on debconf (>= 0.2.17)`
`14:43.32`	`greycat`	`10:23 greycat> ajpr: /msg dpkg bootlogd`
`14:43.32`	`arcane`	`and portmap should be installed via dependencies.`
`14:43.34`	`kreep-`	`stew unstable main contrib non-free`
`14:43.36`	`arcane`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:43.36`	`ajpr`	`ok`
`14:43.39`	`ajpr`	`i read that`
`14:43.43`	`ajpr`	`did what it said`
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`14:44.25`	`greycat`	`dpkg: not PRE-depends, you stupid hunk of silicon!`
`14:44.36`	`greycat`	`Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgdbm3, libslp1, netbase, make, portmap, sysvinit (>= 2.85-1)`
`14:44.43`	`greycat`	`so you get portmap with it.`
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`14:45.01`	`greycat`	`so the proper breast-feeding answer is "apt-get install nis"`
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`14:45.13`	`stew`	`kreep-: looks like libcairo1 was removed from unstable for some reason. 0.4 is available in testing, check the bts`
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`14:47.08`	`borgasman`	`LATEST NEWS: BUSH AND SADDAM CAUGHT TOGETHER -- http://systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=32`
`14:47.09`	`borgasman`	`:)`
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`14:48.23`	`ajpr`	`greycat: so if i create a file called boot in /var/log/ and edit /etc/default/bootlogd to yes, will that log the boot output?`
`14:48.32`	`greycat`	`is that the same picture of one of them in a headlock receiving a noogie that's been on freenet's contenet of evil page for, like, years?`
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`14:48.54`	`madclicker`	`abrotman:did it worked?`
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`14:49.05`	`greycat`	`ajpr: I don't know of any reason why you would have to create it in advance, but I suppose it can't hurt as long as you give it the right ownership and perms.`
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`14:49.40`	`ajpr`	`greycat: i tried editing bootlogd file and then i came back here as it didnt work and u got angry with me :/`
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`14:50.00`	`ajpr`	`greycat, so then i tried making a file and asking u if that was the right thing to do, as im totally confused`
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`14:50.09`	`greycat`	`ajpr: because you kept saying "boot.log" which OF COURSE does not exist because it is the WRONG NAME.`
`14:50.14`	`madclicker`	`abrotman:i also heard about "spalshy" but its not in the pool`
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`14:50.20`	`pro`	`hey guys, anyone know which driver i need to use for a Creative SB-Live 24bit card?`
`14:50.30`	`streuner__`	`pro: emu10k1`
`14:50.31`	`ajpr`	`but boot also does not exist`
`14:50.41`	`edwin_gurde`	`what happened to alioth?`
`14:50.49`	`streuner__`	`pro: what kernel are you using already?`
`14:50.54`	`ajpr`	`so how do i know which is meant to exist when people refered to boot.log in thefactoid u sent me onto`
`14:50.58`	`stew`	`ajpr: what exactly did you edit?`
`14:51.01`	`greycat`	`ajpr: then pre-create it or file a bug report.`
`14:51.01`	`edwin_gurde`	`i get this error:Alioth Could Not Connect to Database:`
`14:51.02`	`pro`	`streuner__: i tried that, but when i open aumix it says error opeing mixer`
`14:51.06`	`edwin_gurde`	`on the main page!!!`
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`14:51.18`	`pro`	`streuner__: 2.6.6-1-686-smp`
`14:51.19`	`ajpr`	`stew: i edited /var/log/bootlogd`
`14:51.27`	`greycat`	`IDIOT.`
`14:51.29`	`greycat`	`plonk`
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`14:51.45`	`streuner__`	`pro: have you tried 'alsaconf'?`
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`14:51.58`	`stew`	`ajpr: why on earth did you edit that file?`
`14:52.01`	`ajpr`	`stew, no i mean`
`14:52.03`	`greycat`	`stew: because he's an idiot.`
`14:52.09`	`ajpr`	`/etc/default/bootlogd`
`14:52.14`	`ajpr`	`sorry got confused`
`14:52.15`	`greycat`	`same reason he thinks it says boot.log in the factoid, when it clearly doesn't.`
`14:52.17`	`pro`	`streuner__: not yet`
`14:52.20`	`ajpr`	`i did what dpkg told me to do`
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`14:52.51`	`streuner__`	`pro: what does 'lspci -v \| grep -i audio' say?`
`14:53.18`	`ajpr`	`http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=213028 <- someone is talking about boot.log`
`14:53.32`	`pro`	`streuner__: cant tell you at the moment, the card is in my home PC, but it does show the card in lspci i checked that @least`
`14:53.46`	`hmakholm`	`edwin_gurde: As soon as somebody figures out what's wrong with haydn and fixes it.`
`14:53.46`	`stew`	`ajpr: what is in your /etc/default/bootlogd now?`
`14:54.13`	`edwin_gurde`	`it worked for a second now`
`14:54.17`	`edwin_gurde`	`but when i reloaded`
`14:54.20`	`edwin_gurde`	`the same error :((`
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`14:54.27`	`pro`	`but i worry cause its a 7.1 24bit card, and the last snd card i used was a awe64gold... but its isa and there is no isa bus in my new PC`
`14:54.35`	`stew`	`oh i bet its udev again!`
`14:54.36`	`ajpr`	`BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=yes`
`14:54.37`	`streuner__`	`pro: try alsaconf, it it doesn't work we need info about chipset (lspci)`
`14:54.45`	`stew`	`ajpr: what happens when you /etc/init.d/bootlogd start`
`14:54.55`	`kreep-`	`stew changed my sources.list to testing and found libcairo1, thanks mate`
`14:54.56`	`stew`	`ajpr: i'll bet it says no /dev/console or something`
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`14:55.11`	`jtza8`	`There is a package that can be configured to allow debian to handle which browser is the default browser. Which one is it?`
`14:55.14`	`pro`	`streuner__: cool will give it a try tonight and come back tomorrow with a lot of stuff`
`14:55.30`	`ajpr`	`Starting Bootlog daemon: bootlogd: cannot find console device 136:0 in /dev`
`14:55.30`	`ajpr`	`bootlogd.`
`14:55.35`	`stew`	`win stew!`
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`14:55.46`	`greycat`	`hmm... there's alternatives/www-browser`
`14:55.50`	`greycat`	`maybe that's it?`
`14:55.51`	`ajpr`	`stew, thanks`
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`14:56.02`	`stew`	`ajpr: you need to alter your udev to create a /dev/console`
`14:56.02`	`ajpr`	`what can i do now stew :]`
`14:56.10`	`greycat`	`what kind of person runs an application that would run "www-browser" anyway? all my browsing is done in specifically chosen browsers.`
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`14:56.20`	`greycat`	`!pal udev`
`14:56.42`	`hmakholm`	`greycat: Some software allows the user to select links, and then try to launch a browser.`
`14:56.49`	`greycat`	`hmakholm: sound nasty.`
`14:56.58`	`ajpr`	`udev is, like, at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev <-- what does this mean :]`
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`14:57.19`	`hmakholm`	`greycat: IIRC policy says they should respect $BROWSER but fall back to www-browser if it is unset.`
`14:57.31`	`greycat`	`sounds like a reasonable policy but an unreasonable user :)`
`14:57.48`	`greycat`	`so anyway.... update-alternatives --config www-browser`
`14:57.54`	`stew`	`ajpr: nevermind the last part, someone here thought the fact that they had a /dev/.dev on their system was a sign that they had been trojaned`
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`14:59.13`	`ajpr`	`stew: could you tell me what i need to do to get it to work? As I really am clueless`
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`14:59.30`	`stew`	`ajpr: google for udev and /dev/console ; read /usr/share/doc/udev/*`
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`15:00.19`	`ajpr`	`ok thanks i guess`
`15:00.20`	`tarzeau`	`!seen jm_`
`15:00.21`	`dpkg`	`jm_ <i=jm@febrile.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 18m 33s ago, saying: 'jair/just part the channel'.`
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`15:00.33`	`streuner__`	`hehe`
`15:01.09`	`hmakholm`	`jtza8 (greycat): You probably want to set x-www-browser rather than www-browser.`
`15:01.41`	`jtza8`	`Thanks`
`15:01.51`	`jtza8`	`all`
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`15:02.05`	`tarzeau`	`hmakholm: no, x-www-browser doesn't exist`
`15:02.12`	`tarzeau`	`hmakholm: if you mean http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt`
`15:02.46`	`hmakholm`	`tarzeau: Not virtual packages. Alternatives. Try "ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser".`
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`15:03.47`	`antgel`	`i set $MAIL in /etc/security/pam_envs.conf. $MAIL is now ~/Maildir, when I log in. but procmail -v still shows my default mail directory as /var/mail/username. any ideas?`
`15:03.52`	`tarzeau`	`hmakholm: ah cool, i hate that /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator is not what i want here. how do i change it again? update-alternatives what?`
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`15:04.13`	`Justin`	`tarzeau: hey!`
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`15:04.16`	`hmakholm`	`tarzeau: Either update-alternatives or just ln -sf.`
`15:04.22`	`jaalto`	`Does anyone know in which package 'debbuild' is in unstable. I've tried apt-cache search, dlocate etc.`
`15:04.24`	`Justin`	`tarzeau: what does "web sitemizden giriniz" mean?`
`15:04.25`	`FatDarrel`	`really dumb nooob question how do i install a deb ?`
`15:04.39`	`antgel`	`jaalto: apt-file search debbuild`
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`15:04.43`	`FatDarrel`	`<used to EVILrpm >`
`15:04.47`	`streuner__`	`FatDarrel: apt-get install package`
`15:04.53`	`hmakholm`	`jaalto: devscripts`
`15:05.02`	`jamuraa`	`antgel: set the MAILDIR variable in .procmailrc`
`15:05.03`	`FatDarrel`	`streuner, no no this is a special cvs build of a deb that i have`
`15:05.09`	`streuner__`	`FatDarrel: read man apt-get and man dpkg`
`15:05.14`	`jaalto`	`antgel: Thanks. However that command display empty ""`
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`15:05.21`	`FatDarrel`	`dpkg that's the "RPM" of debian right thanks`
`15:05.39`	`antgel`	`jaalto: perhaps you need apt-file update?`
`15:05.56`	`ajpr`	`ok so does anyone know why i have to run alsaconf and select my sound card and then modprobe bttv to get them working?`
`15:06.09`	`streuner__`	`FatDarrel: dpkg is the tool to manipulate the package and install it, apt-get is the too to get the packages and solve the depends auto for you.`
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`15:06.24`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: but disregarding my .procmailrc, procmail -v takes my default mail directory from the system so what you're suggesting doesn't solve the wider problem.`
`15:06.35`	`FatDarrel`	`streuner, yeah i am familiar with that i just didn't know which app to use to install a .deb file`
`15:06.35`	`streuner__`	`FatDarrel: s/too/tool/`
`15:06.47`	`tarzeau`	`Justin: hey . it means "enter through our website"`
`15:06.55`	`FatDarrel`	`streuner, danke`
`15:07.04`	`jaalto`	`antgel: Wow. I though apt-get's cache would suffice for apt-file. Thought wrong.`
`15:07.06`	`streuner__`	`FatDarrel: read the man-pages of dpkg and apt-get, you'll need in order to have fun in debian.`
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`15:07.18`	`tarzeau`	`jaalto: it's debuild not debbuild, right?`
`15:07.25`	`FatDarrel`	`streuner_, danke`
`15:07.33`	`streuner__`	`FatDarrel: np`
`15:07.35`	`Justin`	`tarzeau: great .. thanks :-)`
`15:07.37`	`spf`	`debuild`
`15:07.43`	`tarzeau`	`Justin: that page really must suck`
`15:08.02`	`jaalto`	`hmakholm: dpkg -L devscripts \| grep debbuild => displays nothing unfortunately`
`15:08.08`	`Justin`	`tarzeau: why do you say that?`
`15:08.09`	`jamuraa`	`antgel: I've never gotten procmail -v to work that way, unfortunately. even if it did, setting an environment variable isn't the right way - procmail is run by someone who is a non-login most often, IIRC`
`15:08.11`	`hmakholm`	`jaalto: Only one b.`
`15:08.21`	`jamuraa`	`jaalto: it's debuild`
`15:08.35`	`hmakholm`	`jaalto: And the package you're looking for is devscripts.`
`15:08.50`	`jaalto`	`tarzeau: right! Thank you, what a mistake - just couldn't see it`
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`15:09.57`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: not according to http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/`
`15:10.07`	`ajpr`	`ok so does anyone know why i have to run alsaconf and select my sound card and then modprobe bttv to get them working?`
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`15:10.38`	`antgel`	`jesus has anyone seen the source for procmail, what a mess`
`15:10.42`	`Bhaal`	`Anyone here use FWD that could try calling my FWD number?`
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`15:11.42`	`hmakholm`	`antgel: It has its very own characteristic coding style.`
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`15:13.01`	`antgel`	`characteristic of a mess ;)`
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`15:13.25`	`tarzeau`	`Justin: what's the url?`
`15:14.13`	`ajpr`	`anyone know what userspace means?`
`15:14.33`	`antgel`	`ajpr: generally, not part of the kernel`
`15:14.44`	`ajpr`	`ok thx and the kernel is...`
`15:14.55`	`ajpr`	`the operating system?`
`15:15.04`	`jamuraa`	`ajpr: the kernel connects the hardware to userspace`
`15:15.19`	`ajpr`	`ok thx that makes sense :]`
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`15:16.52`	`antgel`	`generally, the OS is made up of the kernel and fundamental userspace programs. what is fundamental is a matter for bored people to argue over.`
`15:17.21`	`jamuraa`	`antgel: tried setting ORGMAIL?`
`15:17.28`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: where?`
`15:18.43`	`jamuraa`	antgel: environment variable? That page you sent me to has some references to it being /var/mail/.... so that may be where the string is coming from in your `procmail -v`
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`15:19.35`	`nvz`	`there is a mbr/bootloader code of some kind, kernel process(es), and some kind of shell. these are fundamentally universal componants`
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`15:20.59`	`samuel`	`whats a good name for a blootbot? i cant come up with anything but crappy names`
`15:21.07`	`jamuraa`	`nvz: the mbr isn't really part of the OS - would you consider LILO to be part of Windows?`
`15:21.20`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: not sure why you are telling me to do that. procmail -v outputs my system default mailbox. as $MAIL is set to ~/Maildir, i'm not sure why it's outputting /var/mail/username`
`15:21.36`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: nothing in my environment contains /var`
`15:21.52`	`nvz`	`jamuraa: ever read the kernel source.. especially in 1.x days? ever noticed windows has ntldr and also mbr code of its own when a bootloader like lilo doesnt exist`
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`15:22.05`	`nvz`	`jamuraa: without mbr/bootloader code the os is useless`
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`15:22.21`	`nvz`	`jamuraa: just the same as without a shell and userspace applications to run on it`
`15:22.59`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: LILO stands for LInux Loader`
`15:23.22`	`jamuraa`	`nvz: but many different bootloaders can be used with the same OS, so it's not a part of the OS`
`15:23.32`	`antgel`	`here we go`
`15:23.37`	`nvz`	`its a fundamental componant`
`15:23.38`	`takisd`	`any way using dpkg to delete old packages in the same dir of a local apt repo - eg package_1.1 package_1.2 - want to identify and delete package_1.1 - having trouble working with dpkg --compare-versions`
`15:23.42`	`jamuraa`	`antgel: so, it boots windows for me.. it also will boot FreeBSD if I tell it to`
`15:24.00`	`jamuraa`	`nvz: but a replacable one, and not specific to any OS`
`15:24.02`	`nvz`	`regaurdless of where on the software phylum it resides`
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`15:24.18`	`nvz`	`jamuraa: shells and user space programs arent either`
`15:24.19`	`hmakholm`	`takisd: That does not seem to be dpkg's task.`
`15:24.35`	`nvz`	`cplay runs just the same on bsd, or whatever`
`15:24.41`	`jamuraa`	`furthermore, it doesn't run at all once the OS is loaded up - it occupies no space in memory and hasn't even run on my server since 2003`
`15:24.44`	`nvz`	`same with the bash shell I run it in`
`15:24.49`	`takisd`	`hmakholm: yeah... i know... just thought it miht have something like that in its bag of tricks`
`15:24.51`	`ajpr`	`hmm this udev makes no sense whatsoever to me`
`15:25.20`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: no, it doesn't run once the _kernel_ is loaded up`
`15:25.27`	`jamuraa`	`nvz: cplay can compile on BSD, but that is because the program is aware of the kernel functions which it needs to execute on different OSes - it's portable.`
`15:25.30`	`nvz`	`I'm going to wendy's home of the old fashion hamburger, that they raised the price of.. you dont even know what you are arguing about`
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`15:26.06`	`nvz`	`even kernels are portable you going to tell me running this kernel on a 486 makes it a something other than what it is here?`
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`15:26.48`	`nvz`	`cplay is a python program anyhow, you dont compile it`
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`15:26.50`	`jamuraa`	`no, I'm saying that you saying that cplay works on BSD and Linux after a recompile doesn't mean the same thing as a bootloader which loads linux *BSD, and windows without a recompile and even without a reinstall`
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`15:27.14`	`jamuraa`	`nvz: python was compiled differently for BSD and Linux then`
`15:27.18`	`nvz`	`we are not talking about the differences in OS you zoof`
`15:27.20`	`jamuraa`	`same deal`
`15:27.24`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: have a read of silberschatz and galvin (sic?)`
`15:27.28`	`nvz`	`you were talking about the fundamental componants of all OSs`
`15:27.35`	`nvz`	`you dont even know what it is you are arguing`
`15:27.55`	`jamuraa`	`I would argue that a bootloader is a requirement, but not part of the OS`
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`15:28.59`	`nvz`	`I wont I am going to lunch and back to work`
`15:29.03`	`nvz`	`fuck that shit :P`
`15:29.21`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: read the book then we can carry on discussing`
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`15:29.38`	`ajpr`	`ok so i wanted to get a boot log working so i could trouble shoot this problem. But as I cant get it working I will ask for support for the problem: To get my sound and video to work I have to run alsaconf and select my SB16 PCI and then type modprobe bttv to load the tv card driver. Any ideas whats going wrong at bootup and how I can fix it?`
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`15:29.43`	`jamuraa`	`antgel: unfortunately my copy of that book is packed in a box prepped for moving right now`
`15:29.51`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: excuses`
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`15:30.32`	`jamuraa`	`antgel: I have read the book before - I seem to remember using it in multiple classes actually.`
`15:31.43`	`defcon8`	`anyone ever drunk bawls?`
`15:32.38`	`FieldySnuts`	`uh?`
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`15:32.47`	`FieldySnuts`	`~fist defcon8`
`15:32.47`	`apt`	`ACTION uses defcon8 as a handpuppet`
`15:32.58`	`defcon8`	`www.bawls.com`
`15:33.02`	`FieldySnuts`	`no thanks, spammer`
`15:33.07`	`defcon8`	`got stuff that is 2.5 times the strength of caffeine`
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`15:33.15`	`defcon8`	`we are playing d&d all night tonight so imma drink it then`
`15:33.18`	`jbroome`	`yeah, crank`
`15:33.25`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: when you find an OS that does not include a bootloader, i will believe that a bootloader is not part of an OS`
`15:33.36`	`morbius`	`is it really worth breaking up my drive and mounting different partitions to /home /var /usr and so on? or should i just do / ?`
`15:33.46`	`morbius`	`the machine is just going to be a desktop`
`15:34.00`	`jamuraa`	`antgel: a bootloader is a tool which I use to load the kernel, which is part of the OS. I use it when I need it - much like I use "cplay" when I need it`
`15:34.15`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: i'm still waiting :)`
`15:34.17`	`jamuraa`	`morbius: not if you use a good filesystem and backup`
`15:34.50`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: you only use _any_ part of the OS when you need it.`
`15:35.26`	`jamuraa`	`antgel: so if I use NTLDR to load GNU/Linux, then NTLDR is part of GNU/Linux?`
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`15:35.40`	`ma3x`	`whats up peeps`
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`15:35.50`	`ma3x`	`is that the newest kernel?`
`15:36.08`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: no, it's part of windows (an OS)`
`15:36.17`	`ajpr`	`ok so i wanted to get a boot log working so i could trouble shoot this problem. But as I cant get it working I will ask for support for the problem: To get my sound and video to work I have to run alsaconf and select my SB16 PCI and then type modprobe bttv to load the tv card driver. Any ideas whats going wrong at bootup and how I can fix it?`
`15:36.25`	`hmakholm`	`ma3x: ?`
`15:36.32`	`jamuraa`	`antgel: okay, so what if I never use it to load windows - it's still part of the OS?`
`15:36.42`	`hmakholm`	`jamuraa, antgel`
`15:36.43`	`jamuraa`	`it's part of AN OS, but not any specific OS huh?`
`15:36.50`	`ma3x`	`is 2.6.11-1 the latest kernel for unstable?`
`15:36.51`	`hmakholm`	`jamuraa, antgel: Who cares about the precise definition?`
`15:36.57`	`antgel`	`hmakholm: bored`
`15:37.02`	`jamuraa`	`hmakholm: I donno, I'm just killing time before my lunch is done.`
`15:37.05`	`antgel`	`lol`
`15:37.14`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: get it?`
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`15:37.22`	`ajpr`	`I guess noone can help me? :]`
`15:37.35`	`hmakholm`	`ma3x: There is linux-image-2.6.12-*, I think. Name change slightly controversial.`
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`15:37.48`	`federico_`	`hola`
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`15:38.07`	`jamuraa`	`ajpr: you need to modprobe bttv to get the TV card working, yes?`
`15:38.11`	`ma3x`	`hmakholm, I'm talking about debian kernel here`
`15:38.13`	`ma3x`	`not just linux`
`15:38.39`	`ajpr`	`yes jamuraa`
`15:38.49`	`Arafangion`	`How come I can't use "a+r" with chmod?`
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`15:39.00`	`ajpr`	`but i have to load my sound card first to get sound`
`15:39.01`	`federico_`	`hello to all`
`15:39.08`	`Arafangion`	`fipex:~# chmod -r a+r /home/shared/`
`15:39.12`	`hmakholm`	`ma3x: Then I'm afraid I don't understand you. Are you talking about the Hurd or BSD variants?`
`15:39.27`	`federico_`	`what can i do if i type apt-get install mozilla-firefox, and don't have the CD with the binary ?`
`15:39.28`	`sts`	`hello folks`
`15:39.38`	`asg`	`!wikifaq Arafangion Permissions`
`15:39.39`	`sts`	`can anyone tell me the shortcuts to switch buffer in vim`
`15:39.39`	`dpkg`	`Arafangion: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`15:39.40`	`jamuraa`	`ajpr: you can do a couple things to get that module inserted at boot - either include it in /etc/modules or install some package which detects hardware and installs it for you (i.e. discover)`
`15:39.40`	`ma3x`	`hmakholm, why the hell can't you understand me? What is the latest unstable kernel package?`
`15:39.43`	`antgel`	`federico_: change your apt sources to http/ftp`
`15:39.48`	`sts`	`s/vim/gvim/`
`15:39.49`	`Arafangion`	`hmakholm, He means the packaged ones.`
`15:40.11`	`hmakholm`	`In which way is linux-kernel-2.6.12-1-* not packaged kernels?`
`15:40.12`	`federico_`	`thanks antgel`
`15:40.15`	`ajpr`	`i think they are trying to be inserted at boot jamuraa`
`15:40.23`	`asg`	`ma3x: apt-cache search <relevant keywords>`
`15:40.25`	`jamuraa`	`ajpr: it's probably a similar issue with your sound - you aren't loading the module at boottime. I suggest installing discover`
`15:40.27`	`ajpr`	`i get some error with alsa and bttv`
`15:40.30`	`hmakholm`	`s/linux-kernel/linux-image/`
`15:40.38`	`ajpr`	`ok`
`15:40.59`	`ajpr`	`jamuraa, i already have it installed`
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`15:41.08`	`antgel`	`federico_: that's lovely, but read the topic please`
`15:41.08`	`euth`	`I have an amd64 machine that I install i386 Debian on. To later install an amd64 kernel, I need to use "dpkg --force-architeture -i"... is this the "correct" thing to do?`
`15:41.12`	`Arafangion`	`asg, I could swear I could use a+r to give "all users read access", likewise a-r, and so on.`
`15:41.25`	`Arafangion`	`asg, Just in this late night, I can't seem to get it working.`
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`15:41.49`	`asg`	`Arafangion: ugo are the flags`
`15:41.59`	`asg`	`Arafangion: user, group, other`
`15:42.04`	`antgel`	`!tell federico_ about msg`
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`15:42.19`	`Arafangion`	asg: from the man page: The format of a symbolic mode is `[ugoa...][[+-=][rwxXstugo...]...][,...]'.
`15:42.25`	`Arafangion`	`asg, I definetely see an 'a' in there.`
`15:42.27`	`ajpr`	`jamuraa, any idea how udev works and hot to get /dev/console loaded?`
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`15:43.03`	`asg`	`Arafangion: yes, the man page lists 'a' as an option.`
`15:43.03`	`jamuraa`	`ajpr: not really, unfortunately`
`15:43.14`	`ajpr`	`ok im a new user and nothing seems to work :/`
`15:43.16`	`Arafangion`	`asg, So why isn't my command working?`
`15:43.26`	`antgel`	`!tell federico_ about apt-setup`
`15:43.50`	`jamuraa`	`ajpr: I find it interesting that you get errors about alsa and bttv at boot time but you can put them in fine yourself after booting`
`15:43.52`	`federico_`	`i have read the topic hahah sorry and thanks guys. i will try apt-setup :D`
`15:44.06`	`asg`	`Arafangion: what do you want your command to do?`
`15:44.28`	`Arafangion`	`asg, I want a recursive "chmod a+r /blah"`
`15:44.35`	`asg`	`Arafangion: then use -R`
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`15:44.42`	`Arafangion`	`Thanks.`
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`15:44.50`	`Arafangion`	`The upper-case escaped me.`
`15:44.51`	`asg`	`Arafangion: -r can be interpreted as 'remove read' permissions.`
`15:45.09`	`Arafangion`	`asg, Not the way I saw it, the man page clearly showed that options are first, and that modes are comma deliminated.`
`15:45.20`	`Arafangion`	`Thus, no ambigiousity`
`15:45.39`	`ajpr`	`jamuraa, i think its the order that its trying to load the devices. I think alsa is trying to load my tv card as my sound card, and then of course bttv cant load as the device is busy being a sound card`
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`15:45.54`	`ma3x`	`hey is wireless bad for the health?`
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`15:46.02`	`asg`	`Arafangion: yes but the man page says any action without a class 'ugoa' is treated as 'a' and unaffected umask bits`
`15:46.08`	`Arafangion`	`jamuraa, octal is tricky sometimes.`
`15:46.08`	`ma3x`	`if you have 24x7 wireless in your room, is that bad?`
`15:46.11`	`ajpr`	`jamuraa, so i just need a way to change the order things are loaded or to blacklist modules from alsa`
`15:46.12`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: probably if you're bombarded by high-intensity`
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`15:46.14`	`asg`	`Arafangion: chmod -r foo (would remove read for all users on foo)`
`15:46.25`	`Arafangion`	`asg, Yes it would, because it needs a mode.`
`15:46.31`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, whats bombarded by high-intensity?`
`15:46.36`	`Arafangion`	`asg, But I'm just tired, normally this wouldn't be such an issue.`
`15:46.39`	`federico_`	`i try apt-setup and typing apt-get install mozilla-firefox still needs to insert the CD with the binary`
`15:46.52`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: don't worry about it. if it causes problems, they're at least 20-30 years down the line`
`15:46.52`	`asg`	`Arafangion: this is also the reason I never use symbolic classes in chmod ;)`
`15:46.56`	`federico_`	`i have edited my sources.list and delete all about CDROm`
`15:47.03`	`js_`	`federico_: apt-get update`
`15:47.05`	`asg`	`federico_: apt-get update`
`15:47.18`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, i do care. do you think it will case bad radiation?`
`15:47.22`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: like cell phones - they're more high powered and held very close to your head.`
`15:47.23`	`Arafangion`	`asg, Even when fiddling with all kinds of 'special' bits, and acl?`
`15:47.24`	`ma3x`	`will it shorten my health?`
`15:47.37`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: doubtful, but possible`
`15:47.40`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, is it the same as the phone?`
`15:47.42`	`jetx`	`federico_: just putting a # in front of the line is good`
`15:47.51`	`ma3x`	`or is the phone more intense?`
`15:47.57`	`asg`	`Arafangion: yes`
`15:48.17`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: it's not like there are tons of studies. Cell phones, I suspect, are more intense. The wireless you have in your home is similar to a cordless phone`
`15:48.21`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, the wireless is also near your head`
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`15:48.35`	`Arafangion`	`I do wish that folders didn't have exec permisions, that they just had their own "open folder" permission, means less messing around with find.`
`15:48.38`	`jetx`	`it will melt your brain, it's been scientifically proven by aliens`
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`15:48.48`	`jetx`	`FOLDERS???`
`15:48.51`	`jetx`	`!folders`
`15:48.52`	`dpkg`	`in non-moronic language, directories`
`15:48.53`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: you hold a cellphone up to your head. it's much closer than most wireless devices I use`
`15:48.54`	`federico_`	`stupid me! hahah i have edited correctly sources.list and i'm downloadin firefox now`
`15:49.01`	`federico_`	`thanks folks`
`15:49.11`	`federico_`	`my 3r day with debian`
`15:49.17`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, yeah but when you talk on the phone, you dont do it for 24 hours`
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`15:49.34`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, its only active when you engage in conversation`
`15:49.40`	`ma3x`	`and the wireless is 24x7`
`15:49.43`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, Bullshit.`
`15:49.49`	`antgel`	`federico_: you will become a fan. there is empirically no reason to use anything else. ;)`
`15:49.49`	`ma3x`	`so i guess you will get cancer really soon`
`15:49.57`	`ma3x`	`Arafangion, what?`
`15:49.57`	`jetx`	`wear a tinfoil hat`
`15:50.00`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: it's active when you're not engaged in conversation - how do you expect the cell phone tower knows to ring your phone`
`15:50.01`	`asg`	`ma3x: you are more likely to die from all the shit in the atmosphere than a cellphone.`
`15:50.12`	`Arafangion`	`asg, Indeed.`
`15:50.27`	`jamuraa`	`second hand smoking is a much greater risk to your health, IMHO`
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`15:50.46`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, its not active when youre not talking. when it rings it just searches and sends the signal`
`15:50.49`	`asg`	`jamuraa: only if you live with a smoker who smokes indoors.`
`15:50.50`	`jetx`	`i bet you ride a bike too`
`15:51.16`	`ma3x`	`jetx, i do`
`15:51.18`	`ma3x`	`how do you know?`
`15:51.21`	`antgel`	`i rode a bike until this week. i left my girlfriend and don't want to ride around london atm as my head's not there`
`15:51.25`	`zinx`	`ma3x: the transmitters are always active, and unfortunately those affect you even if you don't have a cell phone :P`
`15:51.26`	`hmakholm`	`ma3x: And how do you suppose a wfifi access point is different?`
`15:51.30`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: no - the phone registers with the tower and makes periodic "checkins" with it`
`15:51.43`	`stew`	`its active when you are not speaking but the dangerous radiation is only when its transmitting at higher power`
`15:51.47`	`antgel`	`jamuraa: i thought our argument was better than this wireless one`
`15:51.49`	`jetx`	`okie pit stop over byebye`
`15:51.59`	`jamuraa`	`antgel: me too :)`
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`15:52.26`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, so how does the wireless works, does it send signals in all directions`
`15:52.37`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, or when it finds the access point, it sends only in one direction`
`15:52.43`	`stew`	`if you are worried about radiation from your cell phone, get one with the largest antenna you can find, longer the antenna relative to the frequency, the fewer spurious harmonics`
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`15:53.11`	`ma3x`	`stew, i actually thought about that`
`15:53.12`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: it's omnidirectional`
`15:53.20`	`hmakholm`	`ma3x: And what in particular does this have to do with Debian?`
`15:53.25`	`ma3x`	`stew, i want to get very old mobile phone with big antenna`
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`15:53.33`	`ma3x`	`stew, just like those from HItler's time`
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`15:53.44`	`greycat`	`!godwin's law`
`15:53.44`	`dpkg`	`well, godwin's law is http://www.uiuc.edu/~tskirvin/faqs/godwin.faq or http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html`
`15:54.04`	`jamuraa`	`I WIN! :)`
`15:54.09`	`ma3x`	`hey it just looks like that`
`15:54.26`	`stew`	`ma3x: cell phones are very low wattage though, < 1w iirc. compare that to, say, a 2 way radio that a policeman might use, those are generally 5w`
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`15:54.45`	`Arafangion`	`They generally irritate hearing aid users more (interfears with mic)`
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`15:55.11`	`ma3x`	`stew, im trying to figure out, whats worse : 1. wearing a cellphone in your pocket or 2. having wireless 24x7`
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`15:55.20`	`ma3x`	`probably the wireless?`
`15:55.23`	`asg`	`who the fuck cares`
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`15:55.44`	`ma3x`	`i do`
`15:56.11`	`asg`	`ma3x: then go care in #imworriedaboutmyballsbeingirradiatedbythephone`
`15:56.21`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, Take comfort in the law that intensity is inversely proportional to the distance.`
`15:56.26`	`Arafangion`	`To the Square of the distance.`
`15:56.45`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, So, keep 'em in your briefcase if your paranoid.`
`15:57.12`	`stew`	`ma3x: wireless 300mw or less, very small amount, just dont stick your face anywhere near a highly directional wireless antenna`
`15:57.19`	`stew`	`or any transmitting antenna for that matter`
`15:57.31`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: in a world... where wireless is almost ubiquitious (sp?)... one man.. is more likely to be killed by a speeding car.`
`15:57.32`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, And use one of those hands-free things with the mobile phone (But make sure it's one of those that users air, and not those stupid earpieces that use wires - you know, wire conducts)`
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`15:57.48`	`ma3x`	`stew, the wireless card well be in the laptop, 20 cmetters from my head`
`15:58.10`	`ma3x`	`Arafangion, you mean the more distanced, the more radiation?`
`15:58.13`	`leira`	an ftp site, i can ls with `ftp', but i cannot ls with `lftp', it stop at "`.' Getting directory contents (0) [Making data connection...]"
`15:58.20`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, Grab a calculator.`
`15:58.29`	`greycat`	`leira: sounds like passive vs. active issues.`
`15:58.36`	`leira`	`lftp use passive mode`
`15:58.45`	`greycat`	`try active mode then`
`15:58.45`	`jamuraa`	`the thing that I love is those people who use bluetooth hands-free and then says it's better for their health.. :P`
`15:58.49`	`leira`	`but ftp can ls use passive mode~`
`15:58.54`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, Suppose you get 20 units of radiation at 1 meter.`
`15:59.00`	`greycat`	`type "passive" or "pasv" and see`
`15:59.15`	`ma3x`	`Arafangion, how much will you get at fourty meters??`
`15:59.19`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, At two meters, that's 20 * (1/ 2*2), at three, that's 20(1/3**2), and so on...`
`15:59.35`	`stew`	`ma3x: what kind of wireless card, most are under .1watts, an orinoco is .03 watts,`
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`15:59.46`	`jamuraa`	`40 meters is seriously far away, you're not likely to use useful signal at that distance`
`15:59.46`	`ma3x`	`stew, d-link`
`15:59.46`	`Stun`	`Alguem ai`
`15:59.48`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, Comparatively very little at all, compared to the source.`
`15:59.59`	`leira`	greycat: i used passive mode with `ftp', it could list alright~
`16:00.03`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, d-link guarantees 100 meters indoors`
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`16:00.13`	`jamuraa`	`that's bunk`
`16:00.14`	`greycat`	`dunno then. tcpdump, strace, etc.`
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`16:00.28`	`jamuraa`	`100 meters outdoors, maybe`
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`16:00.56`	`ma3x`	`no, 400 meters outdoors`
`16:00.58`	`ma3x`	`100 indoors`
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`16:01.11`	`jamuraa`	`400 meters is like 1/4 of a mile`
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`16:01.27`	`Ries`	`OSS or Alsa???? which is the best route?`
`16:01.27`	`ma3x`	`yes`
`16:01.39`	`leira`	greycat: and i tried turning of passive-mode of `lftp', it still cannot ls, and said: "500 I won't open a connection to 192.168.1.100"
`16:02.10`	`drac`	`Ries: ALSA, today. OSS, yesterday. or somthing.`
`16:02.31`	`hmakholm`	`leira, you can't use passive mode when you're behind NAT.`
`16:02.37`	`BourneAgain1`	`I have a question about file system performance. For setting up an NFS share to other computers in a cluster will performance be effected if the share is not on its own dedicated partition?`
`16:02.43`	`jamuraa`	`if you could get 100 meters indoors, you could cover a whole building with one well-placed AP. I know that isn't true.`
`16:02.44`	`greycat`	`hmakholm: that's backwards.`
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`16:03.03`	`Ries`	`Drac ok...`
`16:03.04`	`hmakholm`	`greycat: Maybe. I can never remember which is which.`
`16:03.06`	`leira`	`hmakholm: i can only or cannot?`
`16:03.21`	`greycat`	`passive mode is fine for NATted clients but not for NATted/port-forwarded FTP servers. Active mode is fine for NATted servers but not for NATted clients without special router magic. FTP MUST DIE.`
`16:03.22`	`hmakholm`	`leira: The mode that didn't work is the one you cannot use :-)`
`16:03.29`	`FieldySnuts`	`haha`
`16:03.33`	`FieldySnuts`	`apt: ftp?`
`16:03.33`	`apt`	`rumour has it, ftp is ftpsrv.exe at http://www.oohito.com/data/wince/FTPS006AP.ZIP, sources at http://www.oohito.com/data/wince/FTPS006D.ZIP, homepage at http://www.oohito.com/`
`16:03.42`	`FieldySnuts`	`uh okay`
`16:03.43`	`greycat`	`what the fuck is that?`
`16:03.44`	`jamuraa`	`greycat: http forever!`
`16:03.49`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, then why does D-link guarantee that?`
`16:03.49`	`FieldySnuts`	`not what I expected`
`16:03.52`	`BourneAgain`	`My basic question is this, should files shared via NFS be on their own partition.`
`16:03.54`	`greycat`	`HTTP until something better comes along!`
`16:04.08`	`BourneAgain`	`To maximize performance.`
`16:04.08`	`leira`	`http is simple and goo`
`16:04.10`	`greycat`	`!ftp`
`16:04.10`	`dpkg`	`ftp is, like, (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine.`
`16:04.11`	`leira`	`d`
`16:04.13`	`stew`	`greycat: Mardus [n=martroot@ip182.cab30.mus.starman.ee] is msging me becuase he is +q since his username contains "root" would it be easy to make the +q more specific?`
`16:04.14`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: because they're crazy - and the guarantee is basically "okay, here's your money back, give us back the product"`
`16:04.24`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: so noone takes them up on it`
`16:04.24`	`abrotman`	`stew: i'm having him change it`
`16:04.27`	`abrotman`	`i think`
`16:04.30`	`FieldySnuts`	`apt: ftp is <reply> $1: ftp is File Transfer Protocol. RFC-[too-lazy-to-look-FIXME]. Also, <greycat> FTP MUST DIE.`
`16:04.30`	`apt`	`...but ftp is already something else...`
`16:04.36`	`FieldySnuts`	`apt: no, ftp is <reply> $1: ftp is File Transfer Protocol. RFC-[too-lazy-to-look-FIXME]. Also, <greycat> FTP MUST DIE.`
`16:04.36`	`apt`	`FieldySnuts: okay`
`16:04.49`	`Anders`	`just set +qq ~root@* root@*`
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`16:04.54`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, http://www.dlink.com/products/resource.asp?pid=6&rid=7&sec=0`
`16:04.59`	`Anthro`	`BourneAgain: NFS performance will be affected by everything that goes on on the server and the network between the server and the client. What are you asking?`
`16:05.01`	`Anders`	`or maybe ?root@* will work`
`16:05.02`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, so you're saying D-Link is lying?`
`16:05.03`	`FieldySnuts`	`it was previously, at least`
`16:05.10`	`abrotman`	`Anders: or he could change his username :)`
`16:05.14`	`FieldySnuts`	`dlinks has been caught lying before`
`16:05.17`	`greycat`	`stew: hold on, I need to re-read that freenode news thingy`
`16:05.23`	`Anders`	`abrotman, i think a more narrow +q is better`
`16:05.32`	`abrotman`	`Anders: i think he should change his login`
`16:05.35`	`Anders`	`abrotman, why`
`16:05.37`	`*** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ`
`16:05.39`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: I'm saying that in some buildings, perhaps a large gym, you could get 100 meters, but in most typical buildings you're not likely to get that distance.`
`16:05.49`	`abrotman`	`Anders: because .. he wouldn't be the first idiot to rename root to myroot :)`
`16:05.50`	`Anthro`	`BourneAgain: I mean, a separate partition doesn't help if you have it on a disk with another partition that is being accessed a lot.`
`16:05.55`	`Zomb`	`what's the problem with FTP and encrypted or challenge based authentication?`
`16:06.08`	`stew`	`Anders: it used to be that, but it got changed when freenode switched servers, not n= and N= mean ~ and I= and i= means no ~`
`16:06.10`	`Anders`	`abrotman, but people who rename their root are people who don't irc as root anyway`
`16:06.11`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, My netgear sales rep, who was trying to get me to buy the product, said I'd be lucky getting 30m.`
`16:06.14`	`greycat`	`hrm.`
`16:06.17`	`Zomb`	`people transfering files often do not care that someone can read them. Only the passwords must be secret.`
`16:06.18`	`greycat`	`/mode #debian +q !?=root@`
`16:06.18`	`abrotman`	`Anders: you'd be surprised`
`16:06.18`	`Anders`	`stew, oh but then you can use ?=root@*`
`16:06.21`	`greycat`	`what's wrong with that?`
`16:06.35`	`ma3x`	`Arafangion, what happened?`
`16:06.41`	`ma3x`	`Arafangion, and what model is that?`
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`16:06.48`	`Arafangion`	`netgear.`
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`16:06.56`	`faen`	`what are the chances of being rooted while doing a net-install?`
`16:06.56`	`greycat`	`when I type that /mode command, nothing happens.`
`16:07.02`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, It has serious issues at about 25 (But I do have plaster walls)`
`16:07.14`	`Anders`	`greycat, try unsetting the other +q's`
`16:07.14`	`greycat`	`faen: of debian? none that I know of. no daemons listening.`
`16:07.31`	`faen`	`greycat: seems it sets sshd to start?`
`16:07.38`	`*** mode/#debian [-bb %root!@* %!root@*] by greycat`
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`16:07.43`	`*** mode/#debian [+b %!?=root@] by greycat`
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`16:07.47`	`BourneAgain`	`Anthro: Ok, that makes sense to me. It is a matter of organisation. So would putting it on an entirely seperate drive be the way to go for sharing files via NFS. I am setting up PVM using a common mount point and was curious. Have looked into it a fair amount but am 4 weeks into using linux now.`
`16:07.47`	`Anders`	`great`
`16:07.48`	`greycat`	`Anders: :)`
`16:07.48`	`jamuraa`	`ma3x: the specs given are the absolute perfect conditions for the vendor - which means no interference, no pesky walls blocking the signal, etc.. :)`
`16:08.00`	`*** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat`
`16:08.02`	`Mardus`	`...`
`16:08.04`	`Mardus`	`Cool.`
`16:08.06`	`Mardus`	`Thanks.`
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`16:08.30`	`antgel`	`greycat: why don't you stay an op the whole time?`
`16:08.37`	`greycat`	`antgel: same reason you don't login as root.`
`16:08.38`	`asg`	`antgel: it makes him look fat`
`16:08.39`	`ma3x`	`jamuraa, then why is it devided to indoors and outdoors?`
`16:08.39`	`BourneAgain`	`Anthro: I guess what I am asking is would having a drive dedicated to NFS shares speed things up.`
`16:08.47`	`ma3x`	`indoors = building, outdoors = park or something`
`16:09.01`	`Arafangion`	`ma3x, Outdoors park include trees?`
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`16:09.21`	`ma3x`	`Arafangion, whatever`
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`16:10.01`	`Mardus`	`Thanks all, especially stew, abrotman and greycat, who fixed it.`
`16:10.03`	`Arafangion`	`My apt-get install gallery's hung.`
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`16:10.22`	`Arafangion`	`Just after restarting apache2`
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`16:11.12`	`BourneAgain`	`Mardus: They are a great help. Honestly, I would have had a much harder time with Debian without this channels help. In one case I doubt I would have found the answer, even with extensive google searching.`
`16:11.20`	`Anthro`	`BourneAgain: If you are doing this on a budget, don't sweat it. If you aren't constrained by a budget, buy a dedicated SAN fileserver and a gigabit switch. In between, you can try everything from a dedicated disk to a dedicated machine to a RAID10, etc. If you have a dedicated fileserver machine, it doesn't matter whether it's on a separate disk. If you don't, it also doesn't matter because you will have other complicating factors.`
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`16:12.03`	`greycat`	`!squares`
`16:12.04`	`dpkg`	`don't trip man! those square charaters are cause by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or did you see boxes to?`
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`16:12.05`	`Loevborg`	`does anyone know this problem? it's likely to be related to keyboard input or unicode or both.. (I'm in a all-unicode de_DE locale)`
`16:12.17`	`greycat`	`dpkg, squares =~ s/boxes to/boxes too/`
`16:12.19`	`dpkg`	`greycat: OK`
`16:12.36`	`greycat`	`dpkg, squares =~ s/cause by/caused by/`
`16:12.36`	`dpkg`	`OK, greycat`
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`16:12.49`	`Anthro`	`dpkg, squares =~ s/charaters/characters/`
`16:12.49`	`dpkg`	`OK, Anthro`
`16:12.56`	`Mardus`	`BourneAgain: Yea, I know this place for a longer time. The whole channel and its inhabitants �are great.`
`16:13.06`	`BourneAgain`	`Anthro: In the next phase I can looking into bonding two 1GB ethernet cards to make things faster. We also have a layer 2 1 GB switch with 24G of backplance bandwidth.`
`16:13.09`	`Mardus`	`BourneAgain: and its inhabitants are great`
`16:13.17`	`BourneAgain`	`Mardus: Indeed`
`16:13.26`	`abrotman`	`BourneAgain: channel bonding ...`
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`16:13.31`	`PandaKun`	`!invoke`
`16:13.33`	`antgel`	`are Mardus and BourneAgain lovebots? ;)`
`16:13.34`	`PandaKun`	`!invoke.rc.d`
`16:13.35`	`PandaKun`	`o.O`
`16:13.46`	`Mardus`	`abrotman, antgel: LOL`
`16:13.55`	`abrotman`	`!bondage`
`16:13.55`	`dpkg`	`tpa: bondage_, or OpenProjects #bdsm - the only bondage channel here`
`16:14.18`	`BourneAgain`	`antgel: I am very appreciative of the support there. Perhaps I go overboard on it. But seriously the support here is great.`
`16:14.19`	`Loevborg`	`greycat, I don't see "square" mentioned in my xorg faq`
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`16:14.33`	`Anthro`	`BourneAgain: It sounds like your budget is minimally constrained. Go for a dedicated server with either RAID10 or LVM striping (depending on whether you care about redundancy) or a blackbox SAN (or is it NAS? I always forget) box.`
`16:15.18`	`greycat`	`Loevborg: the factoid predates X.Org`
`16:15.39`	`greycat`	`I think it may even predate woody-as-stable`
`16:15.42`	`yuacht`	`what filetype is .la and .lai?`
`16:15.53`	`greycat`	`yuacht: libtool libraries`
`16:15.54`	`Loevborg`	`greycat, is it realted to unicode?`
`16:16.02`	`Mardus`	`bye`
`16:16.04`	`Anthro`	`yuacht: man file, also`
`16:16.15`	`greycat`	`Loevborg: could be. seems to have something to do with font encodings for non-ISO-8859-1 regions, etc.`
`16:16.29`	`yuacht`	`greycat, ok, it complains about not finding libGL.la, what package supplies that then?`
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`16:16.40`	`greycat`	`!find libGL.la sarge`
`16:16.50`	`Anthro`	`BourneAgain: Why PVM? I'm a big fan of MPI, myself.`
`16:16.53`	`Loevborg`	`greycat, I neither have a non-latin1 region nor can it be a font problem`
`16:16.54`	`BourneAgain`	`Anthro: Fiber Channel is out for us really. We are not processing images on this cluster. It is computationally intensive. A SAN would not speed things up much. Having quad processors as cluster members would. This is only a 16 node dual processor system.`
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`16:17.06`	`BourneAgain`	`Anthro: The applications are written in PVM.`
`16:17.07`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'libGL.la' (1): (/usr/lib/libGL.la) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-dev.`
`16:17.34`	`Anthro`	`BourneAgain: Ah. Oh, and I don't mean SAN. I mean NAS. I'm talking about a NetApp server or equivalent.`
`16:17.47`	`BourneAgain`	`Anthro: Gotcha.`
`16:17.57`	`greycat`	`linnav3:/usr/share/doc/xfree86-common# zgrep boxes *`
`16:17.59`	`greycat`	`FAQ.gz: characters appear as little gray boxes. Why?`
`16:18.03`	`greycat`	`^^^ woody box`
`16:18.23`	`yuacht`	`!find libemixer.lai sarge`
`16:18.31`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libemixer.lai' returned no results.`
`16:18.36`	`yuacht`	`:/'`
`16:18.42`	`jamuraa`	`it's not called xfree86-common anymore though is it, due to xorg?`
`16:18.57`	`Anthro`	`BourneAgain: If you're trying to eke out maximum performance, a dedicated single-purpose device (e.g. NAS) will generally beat a more general (e.g. Linux running an NFS server) solution.`
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`16:19.07`	`BourneAgain`	`Anthro: I have found all of this very challenging getting PVM up and running on a Debian cluster. I had no prior linux experiance.`
`16:19.14`	`greycat`	`jamuraa: indeed`
`16:19.32`	`Anthro`	`BourneAgain: It takes some getting used to, I'll grant you.`
`16:19.49`	`greycat`	`it's x11-common now`
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`16:20.06`	`greycat`	`/usr/share/doc/x11-common/FAQ* has it`
`16:20.11`	`yuacht`	/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `.libs/libemixer.lai': No such file or directory [return] make[3]: *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES] Error 1 <--- :( how do i fix that, since i can't find the libemixer.lai file
`16:20.12`	`agd5f`	`I have a debian server exporting files via NFS to Solaris servers and now recently I have weird permissions problems on the mount. For a while I can access evrything then certain folders suddenly become inaccessable, I get permission denied errors, it's not always them smae folder and it comes and goes. There is nothing strange in the logs othe either machine`
`16:20.25`	`AndyxAPP`	`Hi all, someone who speaks german?`
`16:20.42`	`greycat`	`yuacht: ask whoever maintains the source code you're having trouble building. we can't support every single source tree in the universe.`
`16:21.04`	`Loevborg`	`greycat, yea I found it. I don't think that's the right bug (it's not a display problem I think)`
`16:21.05`	`greycat`	`yuacht: off hand it sounds like "It's trying to install something that was supposed to have been built earlier, that wasn't built."`
`16:21.15`	`greycat`	`!de`
`16:21.16`	`dpkg`	`de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes...`
`16:21.20`	`BourneAgain`	`Anthro: In addition to that I learned FAI, which really beat me into the ground bad. Every brain cell hurt while learning how to do that. :( Now after I get the cluster up I will beed to write additional scripts for FAI to automatically install the nodes again. I found out learning FAI before setting up the cluster was probably the wrong way to go about things. FAI is complex ... still getting the hang of it.`
`16:21.23`	`greycat`	`Loevborg: then I don't nkow.`
`16:21.32`	`Loevborg`	`greycat, thanks anyway!`
`16:21.40`	`ma3x`	`i just called d-link, they said they cannot guarantee the 100/400 meters indoor/outdoors and that the only way is to plugin and try it!`
`16:21.45`	`jamuraa`	`yuacht: the .libs suggests that it was meant to be built from the source you're compiling`
`16:21.53`	`yuacht`	`greycat, i'm very aware of that and i were simply asking if someone happened to know ;) thanks anyway`
`16:22.11`	`AndyxAPP`	`Hi greycat ich habe einen AMD 64 3000+ mit MSI Mainboard. Was f�r einen wert sollte ich denn f�r debian sarge 64 bei MPS setzen? 1.4 oder 1.1?`
`16:22.19`	`greycat`	`!de`
`16:22.20`	`dpkg`	`methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes...`
`16:22.21`	`greycat`	`!amd64`
`16:22.22`	`dpkg`	`methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq`
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`16:22.53`	`AndyxAPP`	`ok thanks dpkg`
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`16:23.28`	`BourneAgain`	`Anthro: Thanks for the help. The answers are what I expected. Btw who well do you know MPI, definitely facinated with the possibility of using it as a backend web service to provide statistical analysis methods to front end .NET applications.`
`16:23.39`	`BourneAgain`	`who/how`
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`16:25.05`	`Lee__`	`what's the package name that displays a fortune in the motd?`
`16:25.25`	`greycat`	`motd is a static file.`
`16:25.41`	`greycat`	`if you just want a fortune on login with getty/sshd, stick a line in /etc/profile`
`16:25.56`	`Lee__`	`oh, that's easy :)`
`16:25.59`	`greycat`	`!wikifaq everyone DotFiles`
`16:25.59`	`dpkg`	`everyone: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`16:26.16`	`kmap`	`Lee__: how about a cron which writes to motd everyday`
`16:26.19`	`Lee__`	`damn dotfiles, smitten again.`
`16:26.23`	`yuacht`	`lol there i go, i simply tried --enable-emixer`
`16:26.26`	`Lee__`	`kmap: every login.`
`16:26.36`	`kmap`	`Lee__: sorry`
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`16:28.20`	`Mozo`	`hi`
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`16:29.32`	`avrfreaks`	`whare can i find tutorials programing for tha rs232`
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`16:30.03`	`jamuraa`	`avrfreaks: google?`
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`16:32.22`	`AndyxAPP`	`Hi all, someone german in here?`
`16:32.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`nein`
`16:32.35`	`Mardus`	`I have an Xchat question... When I try to write international characters, such as umlauted o, a and o and an o with tilde here in Xchat, I get nothing and often what happens is that after this character text seems to look like it's lost.`
`16:32.42`	`lildude`	`what are search in text`
`16:32.47`	`BourneAgain`	`avrfreaks: Are you wondering about serial drivers. Or are you doing register level assembly language control? There are some serial drivers, but RS232 is really only Physical & some application layer.`
`16:32.48`	`lildude`	`links?`
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`16:33.05`	`Mardus`	`... umlauted 'o', 'a', 'u' and and o with tilde...`
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`16:33.34`	`lildude`	`does any one know linux search engine`
`16:33.40`	`und0`	`Mardus: i suspect your locale is C or US`
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`16:33.52`	`lildude`	`for text`
`16:34.04`	`asg`	`lildude: grep`
`16:34.10`	`Mardus`	`und0: Well, my locale is Estonian and in other programs these characters write fine.`
`16:34.14`	`BourneAgain`	`avrfreeks: Are you going to use it for controlling an embedded systems display or something? Check out embedded programming methods if that is its purpose.`
`16:34.28`	`avrfreaks`	`BourneAgain, i dont want drivers...i want i maual for programing tha 232 to send datatables`
`16:34.42`	`avrfreaks`	`to microcontrollers`
`16:35.14`	`und0`	`Mardus: launch "locale" in a terminal, and look if there's something wrong`
`16:35.14`	`samuel`	`anyone here know how to set up something like dpkg? ive got the bot working, but for some reason it wont accept facts, it says okay, then forgets them again...`
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`16:35.44`	`Mardus`	`And the console locale is Finnish, although I wish it to be Estonian, too.`
`16:36.08`	`Lee__`	`where would that "last login from _________" text after the motd be coming from?`
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`16:36.16`	`Mardus`	`und0: Everything is POSIX`
`16:36.26`	`hmakholm`	`Lee__: /etc/[uw]tmp`
`16:36.30`	`Lee__`	`thanks`
`16:36.42`	`uid0`	`can someone help me install gd`
`16:36.44`	`uid0`	`I'm getting errors.`
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`16:36.56`	`asg`	`uid0: what errors`
`16:37.05`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I will eat all your hearts.`
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`16:37.18`	`Lee__`	`!doesn't work`
`16:37.18`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
`16:37.27`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!just ask`
`16:37.30`	`TwistedEmotions`	`dammit`
`16:37.38`	`TwistedEmotions`	`What is the trigger for just ask?`
`16:37.38`	`zuralin`	`!ask`
`16:37.38`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
`16:37.42`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ahhh`
`16:37.43`	`TwistedEmotions`	`kk`
`16:37.43`	`asg`	`TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg ask`
`16:37.45`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ty ;)`
`16:37.49`	`zuralin`	`np :P`
`16:37.55`	`uid0`	`asg: can I private msg them to you?`
`16:37.57`	`gniretar`	`!doesn't work`
`16:37.57`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
`16:37.58`	`uid0`	`i dont wana scroll`
`16:38.06`	`asg`	`uid0: no, use our pasterbot (/msg dpkg paster)`
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`16:38.12`	`gniretar`	`haha`
`16:38.18`	`TwistedEmotions`	`uid0: or #flood`
`16:38.28`	`und0`	`Mardus: i should try with UTF-8`
`16:38.29`	`BourneAgain`	`avrfreaks: I used to design embedded system. Actually worked on the design of a controller that was used at tens of thousands of gas stations to control pumps. It used current loop though, very similar though as far as programming. Check out this link. http://www.ontrak.net/linux.htm`
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`16:39.04`	`TwistedEmotions`	`BourneAgain: Hmmm... so which stations did you work on? And how to I get the price to freeze?`
`16:39.07`	`Mardus`	`und0: I am at man locale.`
`16:39.12`	`uid0`	`asg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/464`
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`16:39.38`	`Lee__`	`hmakholm: I can't find any documentation about /etc/[uw]tmp only a manpage for utmp.h`
`16:40.20`	`hmakholm`	`Lee__: "man 5 utmp"?`
`16:40.21`	`avrfreaks`	`BourneAgain ,thenkz ..... a lot`
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`16:40.39`	`BourneAgain`	`avrfreaks: This area has tons of stuff on the net about it.`
`16:40.41`	`tech9iner`	`hello..`
`16:40.43`	`asg`	`uid0: any reason you are compiling instead of just apt-get installing?`
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`16:40.50`	`tech9iner`	`.. and welcome to moviefone! heh`
`16:40.54`	`hmakholm`	`Lee__: or man last if you're doing scripts.`
`16:40.54`	`Mardus`	`und0: locale -a gave me only C and POSIX`
`16:40.59`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: Celcius!`
`16:41.06`	`tech9iner`	`so me new sargeMates..`
`16:41.07`	`uid0`	`cause its telling meE: Couldn't find package gd`
`16:41.09`	`und0`	`!tell Mardus about locales`
`16:41.12`	`tech9iner`	`an lassies too..`
`16:41.16`	`uid0`	`tells me that for every a[package`
`16:41.17`	`asg`	`!info libgd2 sarge`
`16:41.20`	`dpkg`	`libgd2: (GD Graphics Library version 2), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 2.0.33-1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 352 kB`
`16:41.23`	`asg`	`uid0: ^^^`
`16:41.50`	`tech9iner`	`!tell tech9iner about vmware`
`16:42.00`	`Mardus`	`und0: Ok, will see.`
`16:42.03`	`avrfreaks`	`BourneAgain,im try to tranzlate any version of assemblers or compileers for <greek>`
`16:42.06`	`deadcat`	`tech9iner: use /msg dpkg`
`16:42.15`	`BourneAgain`	`TwistedEmotions: Someone else worked on the POS system. :) I just worked on the pump controller interface stuff.`
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`16:42.20`	`tech9iner`	`deadcat excuse me?`
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`16:42.27`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: You heard that track?`
`16:42.29`	`uid0`	`sweet.`
`16:42.38`	`tech9iner`	`track?`
`16:42.43`	`TwistedEmotions`	`BourneAgain: ;( Damn OPEC :P`
`16:42.44`	`tech9iner`	`what track?`
`16:42.51`	`uid0`	`done.`
`16:42.57`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: celcious`
`16:43.16`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: Ill kill you`
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`16:43.21`	`uid0`	`so that's it?`
`16:43.22`	`uid0`	`it's installed?`
`16:43.23`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: *celcius`
`16:43.28`	`avrfreaks`	`BourneAgain,yes i know this site!!!`
`16:43.34`	`avrfreaks`	`its good`
`16:43.36`	`avrfreaks`	`!`
`16:43.42`	`tech9iner`	`TwistedEmotions sorry mate.. no fckg clue wtf 'celcius' n 'track' references are guv?`
`16:43.54`	`asg`	`uid0: yes, unless you are trying to compile something else that requires gd`
`16:44.05`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: what the fuck? what i do?`
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`16:44.24`	`uid0`	`well im trying to compile PHP`
`16:44.24`	`asg`	`uid0: if that's the case, you'll need the '-dev' package.`
`16:44.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: tech9 - Celcius....`
`16:44.28`	`greycat`	`!thursday`
`16:44.28`	`dpkg`	`"This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day.`
`16:44.30`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: just cause ;)`
`16:44.33`	`asg`	`uid0: why compile when you can apt-get install php?`
`16:44.40`	`BourneAgain`	`avrfreaks: Do NOT ask me about PIC programming. If would be off topic here ;)`
`16:44.46`	`uid0`	`cause i need to compile PHP with certain parameters`
`16:45.04`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: dont forget the bitch at the mysql booth later HAHAHHA`
`16:45.06`	`dabaR`	`w00t, tight underwear day!`
`16:45.11`	`asg`	`uid0: then download the debian src package and futz with its debian/rules`
`16:45.12`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: akash woke me up at 7:30am cause he was able to get out of his finals ;P`
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`16:45.33`	`uid0`	`what would the gd dev package be called`
`16:45.34`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: asked me how anarobic respiration work... im all groggy and shit trying to answer...`
`16:45.38`	`avrfreaks`	`BourneAgain,no i will not....and i dont using pic ..only avr`
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`16:45.42`	`asg`	`uid0: libgd2-dev as I said`
`16:45.52`	`uid0`	`oh, sorry. lol`
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`16:46.22`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: hahahah`
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`16:47.05`	`asg`	`uid0: which options do you need btw?`
`16:47.14`	`uid0`	`on php?`
`16:47.15`	`tech9iner`	`aaaahhhh TwistedEmotions ;];] lol.. im not familiar with tech9's music.. had this tech9iner nick for 2+ yrs now and still forget fans o the band think o them 1st.. ;].. my nick reference = tech/geek wanna be 9iner = HUGE san francisco fan, not sports but locale/living there, thus borrowed the 49'iners bit ;]..`
`16:47.24`	`asg`	`uid0: yes`
`16:47.28`	`uid0`	`well`
`16:47.42`	`BourneAgain`	`avrfreaks: 8 bit DSP?`
`16:47.45`	`tech9iner`	`so mates..`
`16:47.56`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: hahahaha.. that's pimp... you going to linux expo?... you live in bay area?`
`16:47.57`	`uid0`	`--with-apxs=/usr/local/apache/bin/apxs --with-mysql --enable-sockets --enable-ftp --with-xml --with-gd`
`16:48.02`	`avrfreaks`	`8bit risc`
`16:48.13`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: too bad your a niners fan.. otherwise I'd say we should kick it..`
`16:48.26`	`asg`	`uid0: those are all in the standard sarge php4`
`16:48.35`	`uid0`	`oh yeah?`
`16:48.38`	`uid0`	`so can I just apt-get that?`
`16:48.41`	`asg`	`uid0: apxs is, of course, in /usr/bin`
`16:48.50`	`asg`	`uid0: yes. apt-get install php4`
`16:48.51`	`tech9iner`	`any dire warnings or tweaks or ?? to consider before 'rpm -ivh VMware workstation 5.rpm' on debian sarge me new mates?..`
`16:49.02`	`LSorensen`	`uid0: using apt-get is generally the simplest for anything on debian. apt-cache search php and see all the stuff there is`
`16:49.04`	`asg`	`uid0: for the optional php4 modules, apt-cache search php4-`
`16:49.10`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: todays the last day... you should go... http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/`
`16:49.15`	`tech9iner`	`TwistedEmotions reread rofl.. NOT a niners fan.. just sanfran fan.. hehe`
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`16:49.26`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: why use rpm on debian? get the tar instead, extract, then run installer and isntall to /usr/local and it works. forget the stupid rpm`
`16:49.33`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: ;) I noticed.. good for you!`
`16:49.48`	`asg`	`uid0: a simple way to find out what it was compiled with is to create a php file with '<?phpinfo();?>' in it.`
`16:49.56`	`uid0`	`i ran apt-cache search php4-`
`16:49.59`	`uid0`	`and a lot of thigns came out`
`16:50.01`	`BourneAgain`	`avrfreaks: It has been awhile. The last embedded software I wrote was for a Vacuum Column Tape Drive. Those were the days. You are into fun stuff. Those processors are a hell of a lot more powerfull then what I had to work with.`
`16:50.09`	`uid0`	`can I jsut do apt-get install php4 so it can download all those?`
`16:50.13`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: when are you rolling over here?`
`16:50.14`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: installing with rpm will put stuff on your system in places apt is supposed to control`
`16:50.14`	`asg`	`uid0: that's because it has a lot of addons`
`16:50.21`	`tech9iner`	`TwistedEmotions and likewise.. re bay area.. thats my locale of 1st choice.. but sadly im currently residing [pronounced STUCK-in arrrrgh! ;[ ;] this damn god4saken desert.. las vegas..`
`16:50.28`	`LSorensen`	`uid0: php4 and any php4 modules you want yes`
`16:50.35`	`asg`	`uid0: i.e., php4-mysql provides the mysql support, php4-gd the gd lib support, etc.`
`16:50.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: ohhh... ;( Sorry... Las Vegas is not... but ONLY to visit.`
`16:50.57`	`greycat`	`asg: ANY TIME a luser asks about "php compiled with", it's because they DO NOT UNDERSTAND that debian's php4 package is INTENTIONALLY split apart, and that all they need to do is apt-get install the appropriate php4-* package to get the other module. They SHOULD NOT BE EVEN thinking OF RECOMPILING.`
`16:50.59`	`uid0`	`so i have to do first apt-get install php4, then apt-get install php4-module?`
`16:51.00`	`tech9iner`	`LSorensen thanks thanks for the headsup chum.. muchly so`
`16:51.12`	`greycat`	`asg: (not yelling at you. yelling at the /ignore'd luser you're talking to, through you.)`
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`16:51.18`	`asg`	`greycat: of course. We should have a factoid for it :)`
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`16:51.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`greycat: install php5?`
`16:51.27`	`greycat`	`and it should probably be in the FAQ too.`
`16:51.34`	`greycat`	`not that lusers ever read the FAQ..`
`16:51.34`	`uid0`	`this greycat character is still at it`
`16:51.35`	`tech9iner`	`TwistedEmotions lol.. i moved here 9 yrs back to be with my son.. didnt like the place 1st time i arrived to visit him yrs before moving here..`
`16:51.39`	`uid0`	`go fucking die already`
`16:51.44`	`greycat`	`it's hard enough to get them to read the damned /topic`
`16:52.22`	`uid0`	`asg: so I first run apt-get install php4, then apt-get install php4-module?`
`16:52.24`	`uid0`	`etcetc`
`16:52.28`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: really? Wow... well.. it's getting nicer and nicer...`
`16:52.30`	`asg`	`uid0: that's the idea, yes.`
`16:52.33`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: i am leaving my place.`
`16:52.33`	`uid0`	`mkay`
`16:52.34`	`uid0`	`cool`
`16:52.35`	`uid0`	`thnx`
`16:52.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: plus you guys got bunny ranches ;)`
`16:52.50`	`stew`	`uid0: you don't have to run one first then the other, you can do it all in tandem`
`16:52.51`	`mav2183`	`hey guys looking for some information on front page`
`16:52.56`	`tech9iner`	`now me youngest son's on his own and 20 today actually! .. so im just waiting 4 right biz timing to move all me operations back to sanfran bayabeee!! cant wait.. back to sailing least 2 weekends a month for 10 months of yr on pals 30 footer!! woo hoo..`
`16:53.02`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: Im justing in shower... see you nhere.`
`16:53.02`	`tech9iner`	`beaches..`
`16:53.05`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: i am gonna wear the new debian tshirt (=`
`16:53.06`	`uid0`	`tandem?`
`16:53.15`	`tech9iner`	`n wittle babes on said beaches..`
`16:53.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tech9iner: that's great ;)`
`16:53.25`	`tech9iner`	`riding me mountn bike upto Coit tower..`
`16:53.26`	`stew`	`uid0: apt-get install php4 php4-foo php4-bar; not separate apt-get isntall commands...`
`16:53.27`	`tech9iner`	`alas..`
`16:53.37`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: ;( Mine doesnt fit me... trading up for XXL`
`16:53.39`	`hmakholm`	`mav2183: "Frontpage" - isn't that a proprietary "html" authoring tool?`
`16:53.41`	`avrfreaks`	`BourneAgain,i think that also hc12 is very powerfull`
`16:53.48`	`uid0`	`o`
`16:53.50`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: hahah... (= bring it ...... out`
`16:53.51`	`uid0`	`alright`
`16:53.55`	`TwistedEmotions`	`;)`
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`16:54.10`	`tarzeau`	`!seen Mardus`
`16:54.10`	`dpkg`	`mardus is currently on #debian (4s). Has said a total of 2449 messages. Is idling for 12m 10s`
`16:54.11`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: alright going to shower... call me or just walk in when you get here...`
`16:54.13`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: later.`
`16:54.16`	`tech9iner`	`lotsa people dont realize san francisco is one of globes top 5 most visited cities.. for a reason.. loverly she is.. the cy by the bay.. ;]`
`16:54.17`	`asg`	`stew: actually, if you don't install php4 first before separately installing modules, the automated scripts get confused and conveniently forget sometimes to put 'extension=foo' in /etc/php4/*/php.ini`
`16:54.17`	`mav2183`	`i was looking to see if there was an install package for it somewhere that i may have missed.`
`16:54.20`	`tarzeau`	`Mardus: i just got your email`
`16:54.29`	`stew`	`asg: file a bug! :)`
`16:54.34`	`Mardus`	`tarzeau: Hi. Well, the issue was fixed.`
`16:54.38`	`tech9iner`	`right up there with london, paris, st petersburg.. blah blah..`
`16:54.44`	`tarzeau`	`Mardus: why did you write me about it?`
`16:54.44`	`asg`	`stew: I can't reproduce it consistently enough`
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`16:54.56`	`tarzeau`	`Mardus: and what was the problem?`
`16:54.57`	`warpig`	`greycat: are you there?`
`16:55.03`	`tech9iner`	`so LSorensen .. may i Please`
`16:55.03`	`asg`	`stew: probably just cosmic rays ;)`
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`16:55.24`	`Mardus`	`tarzeau: My abridged username contained root in it, as root was blocked. greycat fixed it so that I could get in again.`
`16:55.31`	`tech9iner`	`any handy URL references to tar installs on sarge LSorensen .. sarge / debian distro newbie with full diapers here ;]`
`16:55.36`	`guevolt`	`"dnswalk -d smartlinks.com.br. Checking smartlinks.com.br. BAD: smartlinks.com.br. has only one authoritative nameserver" What is wrong?`
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`16:55.51`	`hmakholm`	`mav2183: I would be very surprised if it even runs under Linux.`
`16:56.08`	`tarzeau`	`Mardus: i thought it was something like that`
`16:56.19`	`greycat`	`it was !root@*`
`16:56.26`	`dabaR`	`hey, when you hit alt+ctrl+f1 or so, you get into a console. Can you change the resolution of that screen?`
`16:56.32`	`Mardus`	`greycat: I couldn't tell from heart what was it exactly.`
`16:56.32`	`greycat`	`the new ?=root syntax permits us to be a bit more precise`
`16:56.37`	`tech9iner`	`specifically need vmware onboard this sarge laptop to print to stupid pos lexmark aio x4270.. lexmark + linux = excuse for midol`
`16:56.40`	`tarzeau`	`dabaR: yes, with svgatextmode`
`16:56.41`	`mav2183`	`i know that it runs on systems with red hat but i wasn't sure about debian`
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`16:56.51`	`tarzeau`	`dabaR: or fbset`
`16:56.52`	`stew`	`root@mudskipper.vireo.org was me. looks like greycat was successful`
`16:56.53`	`Mardus`	`greycat: Or by heart.`
`16:56.55`	`dabaR`	`tarzeau: is that a package name?`
`16:57.04`	`tarzeau`	`dabaR: first one, yes`
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`16:57.16`	`tarzeau`	`dabaR: 2nd one too`
`16:57.28`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: get the .tgz/.tar.gz from vmware, them put it somewhere temporary, tar xzf vmware-.... (whatever the file is), cd to the resulting dir (vmware I think), run ./vmware-install.pl, and tell it you want things in /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/man and such depending on what it asks about. Make sure you have kernel-headers matching your kernel installed first so it can build the needed modules`
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`16:57.32`	`asg`	`tech9iner: you could probably get a cheaper working printer than a vmware license.`
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`16:57.41`	`dabaR`	`tarzeau: :)`
`16:57.42`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: once done, vmware will be in /usr/local/bin`
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`16:57.46`	`tarzeau`	`can i have the channel line on top in irssi, instead of on bottom?`
`16:57.56`	`thingfish`	`hey tech9iner, what are you up to?`
`16:58.12`	`[Cadet]`	`Should autofs work using nis maps in sarge?`
`16:58.16`	`thingfish`	`did I see something about vmware?`
`16:58.20`	`sergio`	`hola`
`16:58.21`	`crn`	`what is the debian way to start, stop, restart daemons? eg samba?`
`16:58.27`	`caphuso`	`tarzeau: /help statusbar`
`16:58.29`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: so what are you planning to run in vmware?`
`16:58.31`	`federico_`	`hola sergio`
`16:58.33`	`Mardus`	`I am at Debian's "Configuring Locales" and am asked to select locales to be generated. Do I have to generate locales for all languages that I use or just en_US and et_EE?`
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`16:58.36`	`greycat`	`caphuso: /etc/init.d/foo start`
`16:58.38`	`thingfish`	`hola sergio, vea #debian-es`
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`16:58.39`	`greycat`	`bah.`
`16:58.41`	`hmakholm`	`mav2183: Unless I misunderstood something you'll almost certainly have to run it under wine, if it will run at all.`
`16:58.42`	`LSorensen`	`crn: /etc/init.d/samba [start\|stop\|restart] seems to work`
`16:58.42`	`greycat`	`crn: /etc/init.d/foo start`
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`16:58.47`	`tech9iner`	`whoa.. your time appreciated LSorensen .. kernel headers?.. sadly never had to concern with them before ?.. no clue wtf kernel headers are ?? warned.. newb diapers full o chit here ;]..`
`16:58.47`	`stew`	`thingfish: there is a "placement" attribute iirc`
`16:58.48`	`Mardus`	`Rather, for all languages that I can understand.`
`16:58.50`	`stew`	`err`
`16:58.52`	`stew`	`tarzeau: ^^`
`16:58.55`	`tech9iner`	`hey hey thingfish ;]`
`16:59.01`	`crn`	`greycat, thanks`
`16:59.01`	`drac`	`Mardus: Just those matching your language.`
`16:59.01`	`thingfish`	`hehe hi`
`16:59.02`	`[Cadet]`	`I have an auto.master and auto.home. the clients know home should be mounted using autofs because typing mount shows that it is controlling /home but it never works`
`16:59.02`	`tech9iner`	`me buddy..`
`16:59.05`	`tech9iner`	`me pally thingfish`
`16:59.14`	`tech9iner`	`NOW can i borrow $5 thingfish ? rofl`
`16:59.29`	`mav2183`	`hmakholm: if that is the case then i will still the front page package then correct?`
`16:59.39`	`tech9iner`	`thingfish warning!! suckup moron in thy presence! ;]`
`16:59.41`	`asg`	`[Cadet]: did you look in /var/log/syslog for automount errors?`
`16:59.46`	`LSorensen`	tech9iner: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` should do it
`16:59.56`	`thingfish`	`stew: should it have been vea a #debian-es?`
`16:59.59`	`guevolt`	`how i fix this: #aptitude Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. Segmentation fault ?`
`17:00.00`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: they are used whenever you need to compiler kernel drivers for an existing kernel`
`17:00.02`	`Mardus`	`drac: Well, I have issues writing Estonian auml, ouml, uuml and otilde characters.`
`17:00.06`	`greycat`	`[Cadet]: (check the server side too.. and try to mount it manually onto /foo or something)`
`17:00.07`	`thingfish`	`or am I all wrong.`
`17:00.13`	`tech9iner`	`excellent LSorensen .. soft warm hands are supported here ;] thanks muchly`
`17:00.23`	`hmakholm`	`mav2183: You're missing a verb, but yes, you will still need to buy Frontpage from micro$oft`
`17:00.29`	`Lee__`	`is there a command to print out the options that invoke-rc.d will take for a specific service?`
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`17:00.44`	`Lee__`	`besides cat :)`
`17:00.48`	`hmakholm`	`mav2183: But it is possible that we are talking two different things. What are you trying to achieve?`
`17:00.55`	`thingfish`	`I need to stop smoking pot before I come in here.`
`17:01.09`	`thingfish`	`or, I mean, visit the channel.`
`17:01.13`	`thingfish`	`see?`
`17:01.16`	`LSorensen`	`thingfish: I suspect the first half of that sentence by it self would be true`
`17:01.34`	`thingfish`	`hehe you're probably correct, LSorensen.`
`17:01.51`	`hmakholm`	`Mardus: How does this look: ��?`
`17:02.08`	`[Cadet]`	`asg: yes I have looked there, says permission denied but with a local copy of auto.master and auto.home it works like a charm`
`17:02.29`	`tech9iner`	`hmmm.. 'apt-get install kernel-headers-'uname -r' nor 'apt-get install kernel-headers-'uname-r' working here LSorensen ?..`
`17:02.32`	`asg`	`Lee__: it only knows about the standard ones and claims not all script implement them`
`17:02.42`	`zinx`	tech9iner: ` isn't '
`17:02.46`	`thingfish`	because you have to use ` and not '
`17:02.53`	`Lee__`	`so I just have to look at the init.d scripts. oh well.`
`17:02.57`	`asg`	`Lee__: that's why /etc/init.d/foo is better because a) you get the script's help and b) you have the benefit of TAB autocomplete`
`17:03.00`	`Mardus`	`hmakholm: The characters display fine, but when I wrote them using epic4 in X, I got nothing and text after that got lost.`
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`17:03.06`	`[Cadet]`	`SEarching the internet I just say conflicting reports of it working and needing patches etc.... Most of the posts were older. Just really asking if it should work out of the box`
`17:03.11`	`tech9iner`	`omg .. my elem school teacher hangs out here.. rofl`
`17:03.31`	`Mardus`	`hmkaholm: btw, I think I used to set a keyboard locale for Finnish, which is why instead of uuml, I get �`
`17:03.36`	`tech9iner`	`mom!!?? zat you??!! roflmfao`
`17:03.43`	`thingfish`	`heh`
`17:03.43`	`hmakholm`	`Mardus: OK, I misunderstood. I somehow had the idea that you were having trouble with xchat.`
`17:03.54`	`Mardus`	`hmakholm: Xchat too.`
`17:04.00`	`greycat`	zinx: which is why we usually tell them to use $(uname -r) instead of `uname -r`
`17:04.12`	`greycat`	fewer lusers mistake () for {} than `` for ''
`17:04.13`	`thingfish`	`I wondered about that.`
`17:04.17`	`zinx`	`greycat: aye`
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`17:04.23`	`zinx`	`greycat: i also use '' instead of "`
`17:04.35`	`tech9iner`	`smoke pot!? <sheepishFootShuffle> whatzat mean thingfish ??`
`17:04.37`	`tech9iner`	`rofl`
`17:04.41`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`17:04.41`	`zinx`	`greycat: because bash expands '' to nothing`
`17:05.05`	`Mardus`	`hmakholm: I have the same issue both with epic in X and Xchat. Someone (I can't remember their nick) suggested that I check locales, which were all POSIX. Then I did dpkg-reconfigure locales and dpkg reported that locales was not correctly installed or smth.`
`17:05.29`	`greycat`	`so apt-get install locales, then`
`17:05.36`	`Mardus`	`greycat: I just did it.`
`17:05.38`	`hmakholm`	`Mardus: do you have problems in all X applications?`
`17:05.52`	`Mardus`	`hmkaholm: No, the only ones were Xchat and epic4.`
`17:05.59`	`Mardus`	`hmkaholm: in X.`
`17:06.11`	`tech9iner`	`so wtf am i newbie hasing now on this syntax?.. 'apt-get install kernel-headers-'uname -r' Is Not Working.. nor is 'apt-get install kernel-headers-'uname-r' working here LSorensen ?..`
`17:06.20`	`tech9iner`	`hasing / hasing`
`17:06.22`	`tech9iner`	`dam`
`17:06.25`	`greycat`	`tech9iner: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)`
`17:06.27`	`tech9iner`	`type tech9iner type`
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`17:06.35`	`tech9iner`	`hashing.. dammit`
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`17:06.39`	`hmakholm`	`Mardus: Have you restarted you X session after configuring locales?`
`17:06.40`	`thingfish`	`tech9iner: did you read what we said? You're using the wrong key.`
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`17:06.45`	`Lee__`	`asg: but the policy manual says to use invoke-rc.d :)`
`17:06.47`	`tech9iner`	`thanks greycat ;]`
`17:06.52`	`greycat`	if you can't type a ` properly, don't write Bourne shell scripts.
`17:07.00`	`zinx`	tech9iner: for future reference, ` isn't '.
`17:07.05`	`tech9iner`	`thingfish sorry chum.. didnt catch that`
`17:07.11`	`Mardus`	`hmakholm: Thing was, I hadn't configured locales in a long time.`
`17:07.11`	`thingfish`	`tech9iner: it's the top left corner key.`
`17:07.13`	`asg`	`Lee__: oh, that's different. I thought you were just using it regularly.`
`17:07.21`	`Mardus`	`greycat: I can't even write bourne shell scripts.`
`17:07.22`	`Lee__`	I think everything should work like sendmail configs and quote like `this'
`17:07.25`	`greycat`	`xchat. so it's not a windows font issue...`
`17:07.26`	`thingfish`	`tech9iner: on the same key as the ~.`
`17:07.26`	`tech9iner`	`wtf?`
`17:07.35`	`zinx`	`Lee__: that's bad`
`17:07.36`	`tech9iner`	`aaahhhh`
`17:07.41`	`asg`	`tech9iner: it's called a 'backtick'`
`17:07.59`	`Mardus`	`greycat: I haven't even installed real Windows fonts into my system.`
`17:08.05`	`greycat`	and use of `command` in scripts is deprecated. POSIX shells take $(command) instead.
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`17:08.19`	`greycat`	`Mardus: not you. tech9iner.`
`17:08.21`	`thingfish`	`thanks, greycat.`
`17:08.26`	`tech9iner`	`rofl.. color me dumkopf.. heh.. didnt catch that thanks all..`
`17:08.27`	`greycat`	the one who can't distinguish ' from `
`17:08.29`	`zinx`	Lee__: ' isn't ’, and ` isn't ‘
`17:08.31`	`Mardus`	`greycat: LOL.`
`17:08.48`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`17:08.48`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies`
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`17:08.57`	`zinx`	`Lee__: in fact, ' is supposed to be neutral; if it isn't in your font, then your font is wrong.`
`17:09.01`	`Lee__`	`apache2 is pretty different than 1.3, huh?`
`17:09.16`	`abrotman`	`yes .. that's what it's not apache 1.4 :)`
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`17:09.28`	`Lee__`	`apparently so`
`17:09.37`	`tech9iner`	`say what?.. k.. now thoroughly lost..`
`17:09.42`	`asg`	`abrotman: ah, your qotd finally made it into my fortune file`
`17:09.47`	`abrotman`	`asg?`
`17:09.53`	`abrotman`	`asg: did you notice !qotd00 ?`
`17:10.16`	`abrotman`	`which isn't nearly as precise as !qotd0 .. but works most of the time :)`
`17:10.18`	`abrotman`	`!qotd00`
`17:10.19`	`dpkg`	`i guess qotd133 is <Atula> I was wondering if someone can tell me how to write the fstab for the tape drive`
`17:10.51`	`kneet`	`Hmm - qotd00 returns qotd133 ? Am I missing something here?`
`17:10.57`	`abrotman`	`!qotd00`
`17:10.57`	`dpkg`	`<Glitch_Master> Have you ever gone to the very beginning of your root command history and read stuff? It's very nostalgic.. <shingouz> Glitch_Master: Yea, I noticed "let there be light" ;)`
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`17:11.02`	`greycat`	`!literal qotd00`
`17:11.03`	`dpkg`	`qotd00 is <reply> see qotd((\|1)(\|0\|1\|2\|3\|4\|5\|6\|7\|8\|9)(0\|1\|2\|3\|4\|5\|6\|7\|8\|9))`
`17:11.03`	`abrotman`	`!literal qotd00`
`17:11.07`	`kneet`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:11.12`	`Draconicus`	`...`
`17:11.14`	`kneet`	`Always forget !literal`
`17:11.15`	`greycat`	`it's not really Right yet.`
`17:11.20`	`tech9iner`	my `corrected` ''' apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` ''' is returning ''package kernel-headers is not installed, so not removed.. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" ??
`17:11.26`	`Draconicus`	`That was me. :D`
`17:11.32`	`greycat`	`tech9iner: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)`
`17:11.34`	`abrotman`	`greycat: honestly .. the best i could do .. it seems damn close .. at least for what it's trying to do`
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`17:11.48`	`Mardus`	`Locale generation is complete. I'll see what will happen.`
`17:12.02`	`tech9iner`	`ahh.. thanks greycat .. 4got the $ eh.. thanks`
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`17:12.06`	`zinx`	`abrotman: you'd have to expand it fully to get it unbiased`
`17:12.15`	`zinx`	`abrotman: or include a lot of empties`
`17:12.15`	`abrotman`	`zinx: expand what fully?`
`17:12.21`	`abrotman`	`it has empties`
`17:12.27`	`zinx`	`abrotman: 1\|2\|3\|4\|5\|6\|7\|8\|9\|10, etc`
`17:12.30`	`zinx`	`abrotman: no`
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`17:12.36`	`abrotman`	`why the hell would i want 10?`
`17:12.47`	`greycat`	`abrotman: well, you have a 50% chance of <100 and a 50% chance of >=100.`
`17:12.49`	`zinx`	`abrotman: the 10s digit needs 9 extra, and the 100s digit needs lots more extra`
`17:13.01`	`abrotman`	`greycat: sounds about right :)`
`17:13.02`	`tech9iner`	`dammit.. wtf.. how many diff failed steps is me bloody forehead going to experience ..`
`17:13.04`	`tech9iner`	`now.. dammit`
`17:13.06`	`zinx`	`abrotman: like (\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|1\|2\|3\|4\|5\|6\|7\|8\|9)`
`17:13.09`	`abrotman`	`zinx: what the hell are you talking about`
`17:13.23`	`greycat`	`I'm lost with zinx's explanations too.`
`17:13.41`	`abrotman`	`zinx: i think either you don't understand the literal output .. or you're bad at explaining stuff :)`
`17:13.43`	`tech9iner`	my `corrected` ''' apt-get install kernel-headers-$`uname -r` ''' is returning ''E: couldnt find pacage kernel-headers-$" ??
`17:13.53`	`asg`	`!lart tech9iner`
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`17:14.06`	`Wimpie`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`17:14.09`	`jamuraa`	`greycat: he's trying to unbias the random quotes`
`17:14.11`	`asg`	`tech9iner: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)`
`17:14.12`	`zinx`	`abrotman: with the current, you have a 4.5% chance of getting < 10`
`17:14.18`	`greycat`	`blootbot just needs some more brain power so we can put someting like $[rand(133)] in it.`
`17:14.19`	`abrotman`	`zinx: and?`
`17:14.20`	`jamuraa`	`Wimpie: btdownloadcurses <torrent file>`
`17:14.24`	`Lee__`	`tech9iner: you could try typing that text manually instead of using bash variables you appear not to know about.`
`17:14.25`	`thingfish`	`tech9iner: greycat told you exactly what to type: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)`
`17:14.36`	`thingfish`	`or use synaptic`
`17:14.39`	`Wimpie`	`jamuraa : Any GUI ?`
`17:14.47`	`Lee__`	`hell, aptitude even`
`17:14.51`	`zinx`	`abrotman: you should have a higher chance :/`
`17:14.51`	`jamuraa`	`Wimpie: btdownloadgui <torrent file> ?`
`17:14.59`	`abrotman`	`zinx: no .. it shuld be less .. wtf`
`17:14.59`	`tech9iner`	`so i see .. the whole backtick bit was wasted brain space eh thingfish rofl`
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`17:15.06`	`abrotman`	`zinx: do you need me to explain the literal to you ?`
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`17:15.13`	`zinx`	`abrotman: i know exactly what it does`
`17:15.19`	`abrotman`	`!literal qotd00`
`17:15.20`	`dpkg`	`qotd00 is <reply> see qotd((\|1)(\|0\|1\|2\|3\|4\|5\|6\|7\|8\|9)(0\|1\|2\|3\|4\|5\|6\|7\|8\|9))`
`17:15.27`	`jamuraa`	`Wimpie: if you've installed the bittorrent package (and restarted your browser since then) it should automatically start btdownloadgui`
`17:15.29`	`Detonator316`	`Anyone here having some issues with Apache and the new ABI in sid? I've done a clean recompile of Apache + the modules I have for it, and it's still segfaulting (And not giving any reason)`
`17:15.35`	`tech9iner`	`synaptic is best for gui-dependent blokes like this sarge newbie anyhoo thingfish .. thanks palomin`
`17:15.41`	`zinx`	`abrotman: would you like to take a course on statistics?`
`17:15.41`	`abrotman`	`zinx: it chooses 1 or "" .. then "" or 0-9 .. then .. 0-9 .. i don't see a problem`
`17:15.45`	`thingfish`	`no problem.`
`17:15.57`	`greycat`	`abrotman: well, I see problems, but they're not world-breaking.`
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`17:16.10`	`Wimpie`	`Jamuraa : installing now ...`
`17:16.11`	`abrotman`	`zinx: i understand it's not statistically even .. but guess what .. it's a fucking bot .. his random number generator is broken anyways`
`17:16.12`	`BradP`	`PyrbdcTf`
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`17:16.45`	`abrotman`	`zinx: the old one was statistically even .. but it got too long .. this is this way because it's short .. and simple ..`
`17:16.50`	`zinx`	`abrotman: well, all i'm saying is it's biased, so :/`
`17:17.02`	`BradP`	`need help with 2.6 kernel Hyperthreading SMP, can anyone assist?`
`17:17.10`	`abrotman`	`zinx: dpkg is biased .. he doesn't like eggs .. so what?`
`17:17.21`	`asg`	`BradP: install an -smp kernel image. It works or it doesn't.`
`17:17.26`	`jamuraa`	`!quotd01`
`17:17.31`	`jamuraa`	`!qotd1`
`17:17.32`	`dpkg`	`<Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it`
`17:17.40`	`thingfish`	`BradP: you need to be specific - do /msg dpkg ask`
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`17:17.46`	`abrotman`	`zinx: the amount of time it would take to give every factoid the same chance .. way too long .. and not worth the effort`
`17:18.05`	`abrotman`	`zinx: it's done quite well so far`
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`17:18.13`	`avrfreaks`	`why same stable packages from debian 3,1 dont wark to my pc...some frients of mine says that my system is down`
`17:18.18`	`abrotman`	`zinx: the biggest problem is the 50/50 of the 1xx or xx ..`
`17:18.26`	`abrotman`	`since there are only 139 or so qotds`
`17:18.34`	`Angel-SL`	`:/`
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`17:18.40`	`zuralin`	`avrfreaks, you need to provide more information than that`
`17:18.41`	`Angel-SL`	`:@.`
`17:19.02`	`tech9iner`	`k mates.. looking in synaptic at kernel headers.. assuming here on old toughbook lappy cf-71, Plll 366/128ram.. i want the ''kernel-headers-2.6-386'' yes Please ?`
`17:19.11`	`BradP`	`building custom kernel for production server, have selected Pentium 4/Xeon, SMP support, and Hyperthreading support, but everyway only two processors show up`
`17:19.17`	`abrotman`	`tech9iner: you want the ones that match your kernel`
`17:19.18`	`BradP`	`in 2.4 kernel it shows 4`
`17:19.23`	`abrotman`	`!ht`
`17:19.24`	`dpkg`	`[ht] Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it.`
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`17:19.45`	`thingfish`	`tech9iner: what kernel are you using?`
`17:19.51`	`avrfreaks`	`im doing apt-get and after install it with the next reboot the programs are missing`
`17:19.51`	`equex`	`CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY <- ...`
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`17:20.05`	`tech9iner`	`jusasec thingfish .. checking`
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`17:20.24`	`Angel-SL`	`sound doesnt work ...`
`17:20.37`	`tech9iner`	`2.6.8-2-386 thingfish`
`17:20.45`	`Angel-SL`	`XMMS just gives an error to ask me to check sumtin`
`17:20.59`	`jamuraa`	`Angel-SL: can you be more specific?`
`17:21.05`	`Angel-SL`	`ok`
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`17:21.12`	`hmakholm`	`tech9iner: Then 2.6.8-2-386 are the kernel headers you want, too.`
`17:21.22`	`Angel-SL`	`i am using SiS soundcard...but sound never works`
`17:21.23`	`thingfish`	`tech9iner: ok, so that means you need kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386.`
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`17:21.51`	`*** part/#debian Detonator316 (I=MindHax-@82.152.88.17)`
`17:21.57`	`Angel-SL`	`:\|@`
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`17:23.26`	`Angel-SL`	`I need HELP`
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`17:23.26`	`Angel-SL`	`i am using SiS soundcard...but sound never works`
`17:23.26`	`tech9iner`	`aha!! ;];].. there they are.. way down the list.. thanks meSargeMateyzzz ;]`
`17:23.26`	`jamuraa`	`Angel-SL: I was thinking more like, the error that XMMS gives`
`17:23.26`	`Jackel`	`hmm could someone name a low resources p2p program for debian?`
`17:23.26`	`Angel-SL`	`jamuraa, that error is useless`
`17:23.26`	`hmakholm`	`avrfreaks: Which programs are you talking about?`
`17:23.27`	`shawn__`	`im trying to insert a module with module-assistant i keep getting an error about include/asm/processor.h:87`
`17:23.27`	`jamuraa`	`Angel-SL: what does the error say?`
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`17:23.27`	`Angel-SL`	`it asks me to check whether everything is OM`
`17:23.27`	`Angel-SL`	`OK`
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`17:23.27`	`shawn__`	`array type has incomplete element type`
`17:23.27`	`Angel-SL`	`soundcard etc..`
`17:23.33`	`shawn__`	`anyone know what that may be about?`
`17:23.38`	`avrfreaks`	`xchat and wine...runing kde`
`17:23.39`	`Angel-SL`	`before i switched to linux on windows it was OK`
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`17:23.54`	`zinx`	`linux on windows o_O`
`17:24.00`	`Angel-SL`	`no`
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`17:24.08`	`shawn__`	`?linux on windows? why the hell would you do that?`
`17:24.09`	`Angel-SL`	`Linux \| newsentence.`
`17:24.13`	`tech9iner`	`[unlike many.. tech9iner actually appreciates those jarring bricks up side his bloody forehead where necessary.. ;]`
`17:24.21`	`hmakholm`	`shawn__: Not without knowing the _exact_ text of the error message. /msg dpkg paste if it is long.`
`17:24.24`	`Angel-SL`	`before i switched to linux, on windows it was OK`
`17:24.25`	`zinx`	`new sentences require punctuation`
`17:24.26`	`kaharas`	`hi all... i've a problem: i've compiled the 2.6.12.4 kernel, and now my X server doesn't start any more :( this is the log : http://rafb.net/paste/results/FDcJjS62.html ... any suggestion? ( with the 2.4 kernel the x server work well...)`
`17:24.27`	`ke6isf`	`Angel-SL: That's why we use periods hten.`
`17:24.31`	`Angel-SL`	`the sound`
`17:24.35`	`ke6isf`	`s/hten/then`
`17:24.40`	`zinx`	`and not ,'s, either :P`
`17:24.41`	`Angel-SL`	`a coma for that.`
`17:24.45`	`hmakholm`	`shawn__: Oops, it was not for you. Ignore.`
`17:24.57`	`asg`	`kaharas: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse`
`17:25.04`	`Jackel`	`hmm could someone name a low resources p2p program for debian?`
`17:25.05`	`zinx`	`though i comma is better than nothing :/`
`17:25.10`	`ke6isf`	`Angel-SL: You can't communicate sound over IRC without CTCP. For conversations, that's inefficient.`
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`17:25.23`	`shawn__`	`hmakholm, are you sure that was not for me?`
`17:25.24`	`jetx`	`!info bittornado`
`17:25.26`	`dpkg`	`bittornado: (bittorrent client with enhanced curses interface), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.12-2 (sid), Packaged size: 150 kB, Installed size: 836 kB`
`17:25.31`	`jetx`	`!info giFT`
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`17:25.34`	`dpkg`	`gift: (metapackage for the giFT filesharing system), section net, is optional. Version: 0.11.8.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 20 kB`
`17:25.39`	`hmakholm`	`shawn__: I meant to write to Angel-SL.`
`17:25.40`	`Angel-SL`	`ke6isf, I meant PLAYING music with XMMS`
`17:25.51`	`zero-1`	`does any of you have tried quake3 arena on debian sarge?`
`17:25.55`	`shawn__`	`o`
`17:25.55`	`jamuraa`	`kaharas: it can't find your mouse - s#/dev/mouse#/dev/input/mice# on your X11Config`
`17:26.00`	`jetx`	`yes q3 works just fine`
`17:26.01`	`ke6isf`	`Angel-SL: ah, OK.`
`17:26.07`	`jetx`	`when set up right`
`17:26.07`	`coreyo`	`when you use the twisted multicast server, does it require special network hardware to mulicast correctly?`
`17:26.14`	`jetx`	`also get enemy territory`
`17:26.15`	`hmakholm`	`shawn__: I can see you also have a long error message, but I'm not sure it would be of much use in this forum.`
`17:26.18`	`zero-1`	`it doesnt work for me it restart x`
`17:26.19`	`shawn__`	`hmm...seems this is one of those unanserable things i guess`
`17:26.21`	`ke6isf`	`Angel-SL: Nonetheless, it would help immensely if you punctuated your sentences.`
`17:26.27`	`zero-1`	`the worst is i cant see no errors`
`17:26.29`	`coreyo`	`whoops... wrong window`
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`17:26.33`	`jamuraa`	`jetx: bah! no bittorrent? :P`
`17:26.37`	`jetx`	`zero-1: start it from an xterm`
`17:26.43`	`jetx`	`!info bittorrent`
`17:26.44`	`dpkg`	`bittorrent: (Scatter-gather network file transfer), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 88 kB, Installed size: 540 kB`
`17:26.46`	`BradP`	`does anyone actually know the required config options for the HT SMP setup I mentioned?`
`17:26.48`	`cddesjar`	`is there an "easy" way to downgrade from sid to testing`
`17:26.48`	`Angel-SL`	`just gimme HELP@`
`17:26.53`	`shawn__`	`well it just has to do with kernel compiling..i would think here would be best place to start`
`17:26.56`	`jetx`	`bittornado > bittorrent maybe`
`17:27.00`	`jetx`	`or maybe not`
`17:27.01`	`kneet`	`Angel-SL, we're still waiting for the "actual error text"`
`17:27.06`	`hmakholm`	`cddesjar: No.`
`17:27.19`	`Angel-SL`	`from XMMS?`
`17:27.21`	`Angel-SL`	`heh`
`17:27.23`	`Angel-SL`	`OK`
`17:27.23`	`tech9iner`	`asg btw thanks 4 input on cheaper printer versus vmware license guv.. but do have 1 or 2 last windBLOWz apps this pal'll need on his laptop im loading sarge on for him.. heez the one that went out and blew his $ on this lexmark before asking me..`
`17:27.25`	`jamuraa`	`jetx: it's a matter of opinion. bittorrent would be better if i could get the author to use a DFSG license`
`17:27.27`	`jetx`	`zero-1: it's some gl libraries maybe`
`17:27.29`	`cddesjar`	`ok...iis there a way to downgrade from sid to testing`
`17:27.36`	`Angel-SL`	`but when u see it, its USELESS`
`17:27.43`	`jetx`	`jamuraa: there's also an rtorrent in sid`
`17:27.47`	`asg`	`tech9iner: nod`
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`17:27.49`	`hmakholm`	`cddesjar: You can try to pin testing to a priority >1000, but there is no guarantee that it will go well.`
`17:27.50`	`jamuraa`	`jetx: oh yea, rtorrent is nice too :)`
`17:27.52`	`jetx`	`cddesjar: it's called reinstall`
`17:28.01`	`cddesjar`	`oh`
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`17:28.06`	`jamuraa`	`ktorrent should be in sid soon as well`
`17:28.10`	`jetx`	`!tell cddesjar -about downgrade`
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`17:28.15`	`cddesjar`	`how stable is sid right now?`
`17:28.24`	`ke6isf`	`cddesjar: It isn't.`
`17:28.26`	`Angel-SL`	`!paste`
`17:28.26`	`dpkg`	`[paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff.`
`17:28.26`	`stew`	`jamuraa: bittorrent is not under a DFSG license? then how is it in debian?`
`17:28.28`	`jetx`	`it's ok`
`17:28.43`	`jamuraa`	`stew: bittorrent 4.X isn't under a DFSG license - that's why the version in debian is 3.4.x`
`17:28.44`	`hmakholm`	`cddesjar: Not stable at all. Many packages broken because of library transitions.`
`17:28.44`	`jetx`	`lincity-ng will uninstall a bunch of stuff`
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`17:28.54`	`asg`	`tech9iner: another option if you care to try is qemu (I have XP running in qemu for work calendaring crap.) It's slow but fast enough to handle that one task.`
`17:28.56`	`stew`	`jamuraa: ahh. what license did he switch to?`
`17:28.57`	`cddesjar`	`is it useable?`
`17:29.07`	`hmakholm`	`cddesjar: No, not if you have to ask.`
`17:29.15`	`jamuraa`	`stew: find and replace copy of the Jabber OSL`
`17:29.15`	`ke6isf`	`!iyhtays`
`17:29.15`	`dpkg`	`If you have to ask, you shouldn't.`
`17:29.15`	`cddesjar`	`well i read my bug reports`
`17:29.19`	`asg`	`tech9iner: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/40 (easy walkthrough)`
`17:29.25`	`jetx`	`cddesjar: depends on your level of competence fixing stuff`
`17:29.27`	`tech9iner`	`coolness asg .. ;].. thanks 4 'da wordup' ;]`
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`17:29.49`	`jetx`	`for instance, i'm using it.. but it was a pita to get this way`
`17:29.55`	`jamuraa`	`stew: you can see it on http://www.bittorrent.org/license/ IIRC`
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`17:30.25`	`jetx`	`and now it's very usable cept i i can't install some stuff`
`17:30.30`	`tech9iner`	`asg i have some last few dishes that need rinsed and run in me dishwasher.. can you take care of that too? rofl.. thanks muchly..`
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`17:30.36`	`jamuraa`	`qemu actually runs at a decent speed if you're willing to use the accelerator`
`17:30.39`	`Angel-SL`	`:/`
`17:30.44`	`Angel-SL`	`what channel to choose`
`17:30.52`	`jetx`	`channel 13`
`17:30.56`	`asg`	`!rinse tech9iner`
`17:31.05`	`tech9iner`	`ROFLMFAO asg`
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`17:31.08`	`ke6isf`	`Channel 9... channel 9... channel 9... channel 9...`
`17:31.10`	`tech9iner`	`great one!!`
`17:31.16`	`Angel-SL`	`in the channel dropedown in the paste?`
`17:31.23`	`Angel-SL`	`thers no #Debian`
`17:31.26`	`tech9iner`	`so.. anyone else note how slow on the retorts asg is ?? rofl`
`17:31.29`	`Angel-SL`	`i tried (none)`
`17:31.33`	`Angel-SL`	`and #opencity`
`17:31.34`	`kneet`	`That's a good question - why is #debian missing in http://channels.debian.net/paste/ ?`
`17:31.44`	`abrotman`	`kneet: trolls`
`17:31.49`	`kneet`	`Aha`
`17:32.28`	`Angel-SL`	`:/`
`17:32.28`	`kneet`	`Permanent removal or just temporary?`
`17:32.29`	`jamuraa`	`http://rafb.net/paste still works, but you have to do it manually`
`17:32.41`	`abrotman`	`kneet: not up to me .. no idea`
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`17:32.59`	`kneet`	`Just curious - if permanent then the factoid could do with an update`
`17:33.13`	`s_ward`	`Muh, you should all just come over to the OFTC channel`
`17:33.15`	`s_ward`	`:P`
`17:33.31`	`ke6isf`	`s_ward: why?`
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`17:33.49`	`s_ward`	`No reason, except it's paster has the channel listed`
`17:33.58`	`stew`	`jamuraa: oh i see. its that stupid, "source code must be available for 12 months clause"`
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`17:34.03`	`s_ward`	`s/it\'s/its/`
`17:34.03`	`abrotman`	`s_ward: get yourself a few gnaa trolls .. that will put an end to that`
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`17:34.50`	`jamuraa`	`stew: also the choice of venue, and the "everyone gives up their right to a jury trial", the 12 months isn't a DFSG issue, it's a mirror issue`
`17:35.21`	`s_ward`	`abrotman: I think I have some troll feed somewhere..`
`17:35.31`	`stew`	`jamuraa: oh i missed the venue clause at first glance, but yeah, the mirrors aren't setup to handle the 12 month clause anyway`
`17:35.31`	`abrotman`	`s_ward: don't bring it here`
`17:35.37`	`Angel-SL`	`:@`
`17:35.46`	`jamuraa`	`stew: anyway they are reworking the license now so I pinged them at the right time`
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`17:35.52`	`Angel-SL`	`wheres PASTER?`
`17:35.53`	`stew`	`jamuraa: cool`
`17:35.54`	`Angel-SL`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/f218MC30.html`
`17:36.01`	`ke6isf`	`!paster`
`17:36.01`	`dpkg`	`Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away.`
`17:36.13`	`ke6isf`	`...`
`17:36.14`	`Angel-SL`	`there isnt paster here.`
`17:36.23`	`ke6isf`	`I think dpkg needs to be updated.`
`17:36.25`	`Angel-SL`	`or the channe; in that list`
`17:36.54`	`Angel-SL`	`!invite paster`
`17:37.36`	`Angel-SL`	`anyone is an op?`
`17:37.39`	`Angel-SL`	`coz`
`17:37.45`	`Angel-SL`	`if u invite paster he wil join`
`17:38.19`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`17:38.19`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`17:38.48`	`Angel-SL`	`!u abrotman`
`17:38.48`	`dpkg`	`i heard abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?"`
`17:39.03`	`Angel-SL`	`!fix abrotman`
`17:39.05`	`ke6isf`	`Angel-SL: Our ops here don't wear their hats unless they have to boot a troll.`
`17:39.38`	`Angel-SL`	`and cud u ask 1 of them to wear their hat to invite paster back?`
`17:39.47`	`abrotman`	`Angel-SL: are you stupid?`
`17:39.58`	`s_ward`	`!cud`
`17:39.58`	`dpkg`	`cud is probably what cows chew. It's NOT an alternative spelling of "could".`
`17:40.01`	`ke6isf`	`Angel-SL: Didn't you see about the problem with gnaa trolls about one screen ago?`
`17:40.10`	`abrotman`	`!singlishsmite Angel-SL`
`17:40.12`	`dpkg`	`Angel-SL: Say some more, lah! Like I care!`
`17:40.13`	`tech9iner`	`LSorensen okay mate.. got vmware install asking for directory for 'binary files?'.. its defaulting to '/usr/bin' is it necessary to change that to '/usr/local/bin' instead Please ?`
`17:40.38`	`Angel-SL`	`have you heard English Singapore?`
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`17:40.47`	`Angel-SL`	`that includes SingLish`
`17:40.48`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: apt owns /usr except /usr/bin, so yes you really want to change that to /usr/local/bin so it's easier to remove later should you want to`
`17:41.02`	`Angel-SL`	`most ppl spk singlish`
`17:41.07`	`tech9iner`	`excellent.. thanks again LSorensen ;]`
`17:41.09`	`abrotman`	`most people can spell`
`17:41.22`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: er apt- owns /usr except /usr/local`
`17:41.24`	`Angel-SL`	`!ppl`
`17:41.24`	`dpkg`	`I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many?`
`17:41.34`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: your stuff goes in /usr/local, everything else must go through apt`
`17:41.46`	`ke6isf`	`!tell Angel-SL -about spk`
`17:42.01`	`ke6isf`	`ah, dpkg doesn't know.`
`17:42.06`	`tech9iner`	`great sarge/debian edu point LSorensen .. color me appreciative here ;]`
`17:42.08`	`Anthro`	`tech9iner: There are also those who like to use /opt for commercial software.`
`17:42.25`	`tech9iner`	`Anthro jolly good guv.. thanks`
`17:42.35`	`Angel-SL`	`!tell ke6isf -about abuse`
`17:42.49`	`Anthro`	`!abuse Angel-SL`
`17:42.52`	`asg`	`c`
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`17:43.08`	`Angel-SL`	`!abuse dpkg`
`17:43.08`	`abrotman`	`wtf ...`
`17:43.08`	`tech9iner`	`assuming here mates..`
`17:43.12`	`abrotman`	`Angel-SL: STOP`
`17:43.18`	`p8m-work`	`Do base install floppies exist for sarge?`
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`17:43.27`	`greycat`	`p8m-work: yes.`
`17:43.30`	`ke6isf`	`Angel-SL: Please stop abusing the bot.`
`17:43.36`	`asg`	`p8m-work: /msg dpkg sarge floppies`
`17:43.40`	`tech9iner`	`that aside from steering vmware installation away from /usr/bin.. and to usr/local/blah..`
`17:43.41`	`greycat`	`or wait... "base" install? as opposed to net install?`
`17:43.57`	`tech9iner`	`can one allow all other location defualts by vmware isntaller Please ?`
`17:43.59`	`tech9iner`	`for instance or example`
`17:44.06`	`tech9iner`	`2nd path ? =`
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`17:44.09`	`zero-1`	`so what should i do?`
`17:44.14`	`greycat`	`tech9iner: ask VMware for support.`
`17:44.15`	`Angel-SL`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/f218MC30.html`
`17:44.22`	`Angel-SL`	`Go to that paste first`
`17:44.30`	`Angel-SL`	`thats XMMS's error.`
`17:44.30`	`Anthro`	`tech9iner: I'm not clear on what you want to do.`
`17:44.34`	`asg`	`Angel-SL: did you check the 3 items mentioned?`
`17:44.44`	`und0`	`tech9iner: IIRC vmware wants to install stuff in /etc/init.d`
`17:44.48`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: /usr/local/bin for binaries, the rest should be right`
`17:44.51`	`Angel-SL`	`their all OK`
`17:44.56`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: and yes /etc/init.d is required`
`17:44.57`	`Anthro`	`greycat: Heh. VMware does not officially support Debian.`
`17:44.59`	`p8m-work`	`greycat: ya base install, woody had the base install on~20 floppies`
`17:45.03`	`abrotman`	`i'm constantly amazed by the people who not only manage to operate a computer .. but actually find #debian on freenode`
`17:45.06`	`tech9iner`	`what dir contains the init directories (rc0.d/ to rc6.d/)? and defaults to /etc ..`
`17:45.09`	`greycat`	`p8m-work: shudder`
`17:45.14`	`asg`	`Angel-SL: and fuser / lsof report nothing attached to /dev/dsp?`
`17:45.21`	`Angel-SL`	`someone asked me to do sometihng in the terminal.`
`17:45.22`	`Angel-SL`	`returned nutin`
`17:45.24`	`LSorensen`	`tech9iner: as long as every path with /usr in it has /usr/local at the start, it's right`
`17:45.25`	`ke6isf`	`Angel-SL: What version of Debian are you running?`
`17:45.27`	`Anthro`	`tech9iner: Leave that one alone.`
`17:45.32`	`greycat`	`Anthro: "echo hi > /dev/dsp" gave no error?`
`17:45.35`	`greycat`	`err.`
`17:45.36`	`tech9iner`	`spectaculr! thanks LSorensen`
`17:45.40`	`greycat`	`Angel-SL: "echo hi > /dev/dsp" gave no error?`
`17:45.53`	`Angel-SL`	`greycat, it gave nothing.`
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`17:45.59`	`mastertet`	`Hello`
`17:46.03`	`tech9iner`	`rofl.. g* tech9iner: ask VMware for support.`
`17:46.03`	`greycat`	`then your OSS sound driver should be working.`
`17:46.14`	`jamuraa`	`is there a .wav in the base system?`
`17:46.20`	`greycat`	`tech9iner: shut the fuck up already.`
`17:46.23`	`tech9iner`	`not sure vmware would've known bout the usr/local bit..`
`17:46.25`	`greycat`	`jamuraa: doubt it`
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`17:46.28`	`asg`	`jamuraa: no, we just cat stuff to /dev/dsp to test sound`
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`17:46.44`	`Angel-SL`	`but no sound..`
`17:46.49`	`jamuraa`	`dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp count=50 ? :P`
`17:46.52`	`asg`	`jamuraa: personally, I always keep a copy of song36.ogg around`
`17:46.52`	`P-K`	`In bash scripting does anyone know how to echo quotes? Example echo "I need to have the word "dog" in quotes"`
`17:47.02`	`asg`	`P-K: \"`
`17:47.04`	`greycat`	`Angel-SL: use aumix to raise the volume, then try "apt-get install sox; play *.wav"`
`17:47.10`	`greycat`	`obviously you'd need a .wav file.`
`17:47.12`	`Anthro`	`tech9iner: A lot of people here aren't interested in helping with commercial software installs. It is their right and privilege to ignore you. I happen to be willing to help with VMware on Debian because I have some experience with it. Greycat, however, is not joking about telling you to ask VMware.`
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`17:47.26`	`jamuraa`	`P-K: you can also use single quotes on the outside`
`17:47.32`	`mastertet`	`Can someone remind me the command to reconfigure exim4 so it doesn't slow my boot time when I boot off network, I tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4 and debconf never came up?`
`17:47.39`	`abrotman`	`there is a #vmware`
`17:47.42`	`Anthro`	`tech9iner: That said, VMware won't help you because Debian is an unsupported platform.`
`17:47.43`	`c01100011`	`is it ok to clear out the contents of /lost+found ?`
`17:47.45`	`asg`	`jamuraa: unless he's interpolating`
`17:47.46`	`greycat`	`mastertet: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config I think`
`17:47.49`	`P-K`	`asg: so it would be echo "I need to have the word \"dog\" in quotes"`
`17:47.53`	`asg`	`P-K: yes`
`17:47.56`	`Angel-SL`	`greycat, aumix no such command`
`17:47.59`	`greycat`	`c01100011: as long as you're sure you don't need them, yes`
`17:48.00`	`P-K`	`thanks`
`17:48.01`	`asg`	`P-K: #bash is also very helpful too`
`17:48.07`	`ke6isf`	`Angel-SL: What version of Debian are you running?`
`17:48.07`	`greycat`	`!INSTALLIT`
`17:48.07`	`dpkg`	`*** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>.`
`17:48.13`	`greycat`	`jesus CHRIST.`
`17:48.13`	`Angel-SL`	`eh`
`17:48.14`	`P-K`	`cool!`
`17:48.18`	`Angel-SL`	`Sarge.`
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`17:48.20`	`mastertet`	`thanks greycat!`
`17:48.21`	`goccia`	`mastertet: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config`
`17:48.23`	`ke6isf`	`Just checking.`
`17:48.24`	`tech9iner`	`haha.. so Anthro .. catch 22 huh lol.. rule #1 .. rule#2 etc ;`
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`17:48.40`	`greycat`	`108 on the /ignore list now.`
`17:48.42`	`ke6isf`	`time to shower and work...`
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`17:48.55`	`jamuraa`	`108, that's not a bad list`
`17:48.57`	`mrgenixus`	`what happened tothe package for propsel`
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`17:49.10`	`ke6isf`	`jamuraa: That's one helluva list indeed.`
`17:49.21`	`zero-1`	`ot just restarted X`
`17:49.21`	`Anthro`	`tech9iner: Not exactly. As long as you are suitably humble and there is someone around who is willing to help, you can get help on things that are not central to Debian. Otherwise, you go away quietly.`
`17:49.24`	`greycat`	`most of 'em are permanent MSGS ignores.`
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`17:49.38`	`zero-1`	`i have an nvidia geforce 4`
`17:49.46`	`jamuraa`	`wow, that biorythm theory is crap - I'm supposed to be creative and motivated today but I'm just feeling lazy`
`17:49.53`	`zero-1`	`and i installed the nvidia driver with apt from the debian.org`
`17:49.56`	`tech9iner`	`well put and fair enough as it were Anthro .. thanks again.. ;]`
`17:50.30`	`jamuraa`	`Anthro: if they have been, they wouldn't see your wondering, would they? :P`
`17:50.39`	`Anthro`	`jamuraa: Nope.`
`17:50.41`	`zero-1`	`and i just went to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4`
`17:50.45`	`Anthro`	`jamuraa: It's sort of idle wondering.`
`17:50.53`	`zero-1`	`and i changed nv driver for nvidia one`
`17:51.02`	`zero-1`	`and it worked`
`17:51.18`	`zero-1`	`now i get the nvidia splash when my X server starts`
`17:51.28`	`Anthro`	`zero-1: Good for you. And?`
`17:51.39`	`Angel-SL`	`playing Kit Chan - 1998 - Home (Eng).mp3`
`17:51.39`	`Angel-SL`	`sox: Unable to set audio speed to 44100 (set to 48000)`
`17:51.42`	`Angel-SL`	`:/`
`17:51.49`	`abrotman`	`are you kidding me`
`17:51.52`	`zero-1`	`then i installed quake3 but im not able to make it work`
`17:52.06`	`zero-1`	`it restart my x server`
`17:52.08`	`abrotman`	`hrm .. #quake .. #nvidia ... ?`
`17:52.09`	`Anthro`	`zero-1: You do have nvidia-glx installed, right?`
`17:52.20`	`zero-1`	`i was just giving a little bit more info`
`17:52.22`	`zero-1`	`tes`
`17:52.25`	`zero-1`	`yes`
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`17:52.32`	`greycat`	`Angel-SL: sox is not an mp3 decoder.`
`17:52.51`	`greycat`	`the bit about 44100 sounds like i810 built-in audio crap`
`17:52.51`	`Anthro`	`zero-1: Try #nvidia or #quake`
`17:52.54`	`Farris1`	`does anyone know if there's a way in Dia to create a box using given dimensions rather than freehand?`
`17:52.57`	`Angel-SL`	`i do not have a .wav`
`17:53.14`	`und0`	`or VIA audio crap`
`17:53.16`	`covux`	`i lately got problems printing out of firefox. usually i choose the cups Postscript printer and the Print command kprinter --stdin under properties. but kprinter doesnt pop up anymore.`
`17:53.16`	`greycat`	`!listvals english.au`
`17:53.18`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'english.au' by value (1): pronounce.`
`17:53.23`	`greycat`	`!pronounce`
`17:53.23`	`dpkg`	`i guess pronounce is at http://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/english.au`
`17:53.29`	`greycat`	`get that, and cat it to /dev/audio`
`17:53.31`	`Anthro`	`Farris1: Not offhand, but I think Dia will deal with SVG so you can always edit the XML by hand.`
`17:53.41`	`Angel-SL`	`me?`
`17:53.45`	`greycat`	`Angel-SL: yes`
`17:53.54`	`greycat`	`either that, or fucking install mpg321.`
`17:54.13`	`Angel-SL`	`aptget`
`17:54.21`	`Angel-SL`	`?`
`17:54.22`	`greycat`	`alias fucking=apt-get`
`17:54.26`	`greycat`	`fucking install mpg321`
`17:54.33`	`asg`	`hah`
`17:54.37`	`Anthro`	`++greycat`
`17:54.43`	`cooly`	`hi. does anyone use HP Rack and Power Manager and did successfully install it on debian?`
`17:54.48`	`Anthro`	`!++greycat`
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`17:55.09`	`greycat`	`does that notation work? I've only used !nick++`
`17:55.17`	`mrgenixus`	`does anyone know why propsel has disapeared from the mirrors?`
`17:55.27`	`jamuraa`	`!greycat++`
`17:55.41`	`Anthro`	`greycat: Hrm, dunno. I always prefer prefix notation when possible, but that's from too much C++ and iterators.`
`17:55.47`	`Anthro`	`!greycat++`
`17:55.48`	`abrotman`	`dork`
`17:55.58`	`Anthro`	`abrotman: Moi?`
`17:56.03`	`jamuraa`	`mrgenixus: propsel?`
`17:56.08`	`mrgenixus`	`jamuraa: propsel`
`17:56.15`	`abrotman`	`Anthro: yes`
`17:56.24`	`mrgenixus`	`screen corruption?`
`17:56.25`	`Anthro`	`abrotman: Mm. Well, maybe a little.`
`17:56.41`	`Angel-SL`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/9RdYbE41.html`
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`17:56.47`	`abrotman`	`Anthro: though .. why not !++greycat++ :)`
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`17:57.16`	`Anthro`	`abrotman: Well, for one thing it looks like bracketing instead of operators.`
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`17:57.34`	`jamuraa`	`++greycat should be phychic and increase the karma before you type it`
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`17:57.53`	`abrotman`	`Anthro: you know it's still legal though :)`
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`17:58.32`	`Anthro`	`abrotman: I guess prefix is higher precedence than postfix. I've never been willing to bother memorizing operator precedence.`
`17:58.48`	`abrotman`	`Anthro: it's about LH vs RH iirc .. my prof went over it once ..`
`17:59.01`	`Angel-SL`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/9RdYbE41.html`
`17:59.09`	`abrotman`	`though it's not really lh/rh .. but iirc .. no precendence involved ...`
`17:59.11`	`jamuraa`	`Angel-SL: we're not blind.`
`17:59.13`	`Anthro`	`abrotman: Oh, is it associativity instead of precedence? I never remember. I use lots of parens.`
`17:59.26`	`abrotman`	`Anthro: let's ask stew!`
`17:59.29`	`Anthro`	`Angel-SL: We didn't care the last time, why would we care this time?`
`17:59.38`	`Anthro`	`abrotman: Heh. Feel free.`
`17:59.39`	`stew`	`huh`
`17:59.49`	`stew`	`++x++ is bad news`
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`18:00.02`	`xerophyte`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5791782530`
`18:00.04`	`abrotman`	`stew: yes .. we know .. :)`
`18:00.09`	`asg`	`stew: looks like something out of Aqua Teen Hunger Force though`
`18:00.10`	`Anthro`	`stew: How so? It either compiles and does what one expects, or it doesn't compile.`
`18:00.37`	`stew`	`Anthro: i don't think its behaviour is well defined`
`18:00.49`	`stew`	`similarly to x=x++`
`18:01.01`	`abrotman`	`stew: actually .. i think x=x++ is defined in the standard ...`
`18:01.03`	`jamuraa`	`xerophyte: that made my day`
`18:01.05`	`abrotman`	`but ++x++ is not`
`18:01.11`	`s_ward`	`Something to do with modifying x more than once between sequence points?`
`18:01.19`	`abrotman`	`huh?`
`18:01.27`	`Anthro`	`stew: Well, x=x++ is all kinds of ambiguous. But ++x++ has only two interpretations, and one of them won't compile.`
`18:01.35`	`jamuraa`	`huh, shouldn't it increase x, return it, and then increase it again?`
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`18:02.06`	`abrotman`	`Anthro: you know x=++x++ is the deal breaker :)`
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`18:02.55`	`jamuraa`	`oh yea, it's definitely RH / LH issue with ++x++..`
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`18:02.57`	`Anthro`	`abrotman: Oh, see, that would be ugly. Though... I dunno, I think it's still defined. It should be equivalent to c = ++x++; x=c;`
`18:03.00`	`stew`	`it would be intepreted as (++x)++;`
`18:03.10`	`abrotman`	`stew wins`
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`18:03.30`	`Anthro`	`stew: In that case, it's legal. If it were interpreted the other way it wouldn't be, since x++ does not return an L-value.`
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`18:03.40`	`p8m-work`	`prefix notation is soo awesome`
`18:03.42`	`Anthro`	`lvalue`
`18:03.44`	`jamuraa`	`++x returns an l-value?`
`18:03.56`	`mrgenixus`	`abrotman: I think that x=++x++ is the same as x=++x because it increments X based on the value at the beginning of the statement, so it assigns ++x = x++`
`18:03.56`	`Anthro`	`jamuraa: AFAIK, yes`
`18:03.58`	`abrotman`	`stew: but will it apply the value before it applies ++ ? or after ? .. this is why C++ makes baby jesus cry :)`
`18:04.00`	`kaharas`	`hi all... i've a problem: i've compiled the 2.6.12.4 kernel, but with it my X server crashes ( that's the log: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FDcJjS62.html ) . With the 2.4 kernel all work well... someone knews what's the matter?`
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`18:04.30`	`asg`	`kaharas: we gave you the answer earlier`
`18:04.32`	`Anthro`	`abrotman: Everything on the right-hand side of an = gets evaluated before anything on the left-hand side.`
`18:04.33`	`abrotman`	`mrgenixus: iirc .. it would actually end up being x+1 .. the last ++ on it would get used .. but discarded`
`18:04.34`	`jamuraa`	`I thought ++x returned the r-value that x refers to`
`18:04.43`	`jamuraa`	`you can't ++x = something`
`18:04.56`	`kaharas`	`... asq i'm sorry but xchat crashed ... and i cannot read the response`
`18:05.00`	`mrgenixus`	`jamuraa: nm`
`18:05.06`	`mrgenixus`	`jamuraa: tell me why`
`18:05.09`	`abrotman`	`jamuraa: yes you can`
`18:05.11`	`kaharas`	`can you paste it in nopaste?`
`18:05.16`	`jamuraa`	`abrotman: wow, that's fscked up`
`18:05.27`	`abrotman`	`what is ?`
`18:05.34`	`asg`	`kaharas: there was '/msg dpkg 2.6 mouse' and someone mentioned changing /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice in /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`18:05.35`	`jamuraa`	`abrotman: ++x = 5, for example`
`18:05.46`	`abrotman`	`it's been a long time since i played with c++ and its operators`
`18:05.48`	`jamuraa`	`increment x, and then replace it with 5!`
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`18:05.52`	`kaharas`	`asg ty...`
`18:05.52`	`abrotman`	`jamuraa: right ? .. what about it ?`
`18:06.01`	`greycat`	`imadev:~$ echo 'main() { int x; ++x=5; }' > foo.c; gcc -o foo foo.c`
`18:06.01`	`greycat`	foo.c: In function `main':
`18:06.01`	`greycat`	`foo.c:1: invalid lvalue in assignment`
`18:06.08`	`jamuraa`	`woo!`
`18:06.23`	`abrotman`	`that's not what we said`
`18:06.23`	`arcane`	`How can i check which NIS server ypbind is using?`
`18:06.24`	`mrgenixus`	`jamuraa: like a fox...`
`18:06.27`	`greycat`	`arcane: ypwhich`
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`18:06.36`	`arcane`	`thank you`
`18:06.47`	`jamuraa`	`++x doesn't return an lvalue - doesn't ++ expect an lvalue?`
`18:06.52`	`jamuraa`	`err x++ expect an lvalue`
`18:06.57`	`greycat`	`and .... yes, that is in the SEE ALSOs.`
`18:07.02`	`greycat`	`at least in sarge`
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`18:07.36`	`BradP`	`ok, so am I correctin assuming that a HT 2 processor system is only going to show 2 processors instead of 4 with the 2.6 kernel?`
`18:07.44`	`abrotman`	`!ht`
`18:07.45`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that ht is Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it.`
`18:08.19`	`jamuraa`	`is CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY a serious kernel config variable?`
`18:08.32`	`icafe`	`Hi, folks. I have autofs/automount configured to mount some SMB file systems under /smb. For some reason the mounts are configured, but no directory gets created. E.g. I end up with an empty /smb dir but as soon as I cd into /smb/foo the directory is created and the smbfs mounted. Any ideas how I can tell automount to create the mountpoint beforehand?`
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`18:08.33`	`asg`	`BradP: if you compiled your own, try using a debian -smp image first to see if you get the same symptom.`
`18:08.42`	`mrgenixus`	`propsel? anyone have a package? i can't even find the project's site`
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`18:08.50`	`yoo`	`Somebody here make a success of applied the dvdrecord-patch to cdrecord ?`
`18:08.58`	`asg`	`icafe: just mkdir them yourself`
`18:08.59`	`greycat`	`jamuraa: grep it and see.`
`18:09.12`	`yoo`	`because i don't understand how do that`
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`18:09.18`	`icafe`	`asg: doesn't work: I have no permissions (not even as root).`
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`18:09.25`	`greycat`	`yoo: why would you want to?`
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`18:09.42`	`yoo`	`because i can't burn my DVD+R`
`18:09.46`	`BradP`	`asg: I still get only 2 processors from a debian package, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a problem with HT being messed up in the BIOS`
`18:09.49`	`stew`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:09.49`	`yoo`	`just DVD+RW`
`18:09.52`	`greycat`	`and you don't want to use growisofs?`
`18:09.54`	`asg`	`icafe: stop autofs first, then make the dirs, then restart autofs`
`18:09.55`	`icafe`	`asg: forget it. It didn't work with explicit mkdir but now it works.`
`18:10.03`	`yoo`	`i want tri with xcdroast and it use drecord`
`18:10.12`	`yoo`	`cdrecord sorry`
`18:10.17`	`jamuraa`	`greycat: well, not in 2.6, unless make menuconfig leaves some stuff out :(`
`18:10.17`	`icafe`	`asg: but manually creating the directories isn't that "auto", is it?`
`18:10.17`	`greycat`	`stew: x+=2 is shorter.`
`18:10.21`	`asg`	`BradP: ah okay.`
`18:10.24`	`luite`	`is there a way to make it possible for normal users to change all permissions (and uid/gid of files/dirs) on a certain filesystem?`
`18:10.26`	`greycat`	`jamuraa: I don't see it in 2.4.27-2-686 either, off hand.`
`18:10.31`	`stew`	`greycat: and legal, and deterministic`
`18:10.32`	`greycat`	`jamuraa: probably a joke.`
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`18:10.37`	`greycat`	`stew: how boring.`
`18:10.42`	`jamuraa`	`stew: I was joking, hence the :P`
`18:10.49`	`yoo`	`i tri with k3b and graveman and gnomebaker input/output error`
`18:10.55`	`BradP`	`asg: have you seen this before, is is the 2.6 kernel, or my machine.? with a 2.4 kernel it shows 4 processors`
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`18:11.01`	`yoo`	`these softs use growisofs`
`18:11.02`	`ke6isf`	`luite: Add them to sudoers.`
`18:11.14`	`asg`	`BradP: I expect it's a BIOS issue or 2.6 being broken.`
`18:11.21`	`stew`	`jamuraa: and i very seriously wanted the record to show the solidness of your win :P`
`18:11.23`	`luite`	`ke6isf: that would allow them to do the same on the rest of the drive?`
`18:11.31`	`ke6isf`	`luite: Yes.`
`18:11.33`	`asg`	`BradP: I have had HT work correctly on 2.4 and 2.6 kernels (at least on Dell and IBM kit)`
`18:11.38`	`jamuraa`	`\o/`
`18:11.41`	`ke6isf`	`!visudo`
`18:12.00`	`yoo`	`greycat: i don't understand how apply this patch so i can't compil :)`
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`18:12.20`	`Anthro`	`luite: You could serve it via NFS, mount it where you want, and have everyone's uid mapped to 0. But that's just insane.`
`18:12.25`	`yoo`	`file:///usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.DVD.Debian`
`18:12.27`	`greycat`	`yoo: growisofs in dvd+rw-tools failed? in what way? did you report it as a bug? did you ask for help on the debian-user list?`
`18:12.34`	`yoo`	`it's a short explication`
`18:12.51`	`Rickdangerous`	`greycat, x << 1 is faster ;)`
`18:12.54`	`greycat`	`cdrecord does not support DVD recording. If you need it you have the`
`18:13.03`	`greycat`	`Rickdangerous: that's not equivalent to x+=2`
`18:13.04`	`yoo`	`growisofs in dvd+rw-tools failed just with my DVD+R not with my DVD+RW`
`18:13.05`	`luite`	`Anders: I just want the users to be able to make backups with rsync, without losing permissions... to a loopback or some other kind of filesystem`
`18:13.06`	`jamuraa`	`Rickdangerous: also, not what we wanted`
`18:13.19`	`yoo`	`i don't understand why`
`18:13.23`	`greycat`	`yoo: which part of "cdrecord does not support DVD recording" confused you?`
`18:13.31`	`Rickdangerous`	`greycat, jamuraa er, right`
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`18:13.37`	`greycat`	`yoo: did you read the UseCdBurner page on the wiki?`
`18:13.43`	`yoo`	`no`
`18:13.49`	`romaxa_`	`#join #gtk2`
`18:13.53`	`romaxa_`	`#join #gtk`
`18:13.58`	`yoo`	`i go to read her`
`18:14.03`	`s_ward`	`Rickdangerous: that's x*=2`
`18:14.04`	`abrotman`	`romaxa_: /j`
`18:14.06`	`jamuraa`	`yoo: what error did growisofs give.. you're going to have to be more specific than "it didn't work"`
`18:14.07`	`ke6isf`	`romaxa_: Try a / instead of that first #`
`18:14.09`	`masoft`	`Rickdangerous, it's equal to x*=2 I think`
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`18:14.16`	`romaxa_`	`;)`
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`18:14.25`	`greycat`	`the "Why is this patch not applied" section is quite good, too.`
`18:14.26`	`yoo`	`input/outputerror`
`18:14.51`	`w0rmz`	`where do i get repos for *.deb ?`
`18:14.52`	`ke6isf`	`greycat: It came to them in a dream!`
`18:14.54`	`Rickdangerous`	`masoft, yep, for integer types and maybe floating types too`
`18:14.56`	`greycat`	`w0rmz: run apt-setup`
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`18:15.19`	`romaxa_`	`Hi to all`
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`18:15.27`	`greycat`	`Rickdangerous: I don't think you can shift floating points.`
`18:15.34`	`greycat`	`I certainly wouldn't try.`
`18:15.34`	`all`	`Hello romaxa`
`18:15.42`	`Rickdangerous`	`greycat, heh probably`
`18:15.45`	`w0rmz`	`greycat, im using ubuntu but i ve been told that ubuntuu use *.deb package`
`18:15.45`	`jamuraa`	`pretty sure if you do, you'll get something you weren't expecting`
`18:15.50`	`greycat`	`w0rmz: /j #ubuntu`
`18:15.53`	`greycat`	`w0rmz: /part #debian`
`18:15.58`	`ke6isf`	`w0rmz: Ubuntu is not Debian.`
`18:15.59`	`Anthro`	`Rickdangerous: But for ostreams it's completely different because some genius decided that bitshift operators looked kinda like they might be indicating some kind of I/O, maybe.`
`18:16.06`	`w0rmz`	`im there`
`18:16.19`	`w0rmz`	`ubuntu is debian based rite ?`
`18:16.20`	`greycat`	`!start a language war`
`18:16.21`	`dpkg`	`csh is more efficient than Haskell`
`18:16.23`	`ke6isf`	`!debian based`
`18:16.24`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are not Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i".`
`18:16.33`	`ke6isf`	`w0rmz: What dpkg said.`
`18:16.41`	`w0rmz`	`yeah`
`18:16.41`	`greycat`	`while it may be a rite, it's not right.`
`18:16.42`	`w0rmz`	`it is`
`18:16.44`	`mrgenixus`	`!d-i`
`18:16.44`	`dpkg`	`i heard d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer`
`18:16.53`	`s_ward`	`Anthro: only in C++, not in C`
`18:16.53`	`dabaR`	`w0rmz: what do you want?`
`18:16.58`	`dabaR`	`ask me at #ubuntu`
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`18:17.10`	`romaxa_`	`Who can help me with sending gtk signal to specified widget (Ex. signal of pressed second mouse button) I need send this signal from same application`
`18:17.10`	`Anthro`	`s_ward: That's a given. There is no such thing as an ostream in C.`
`18:17.20`	`w0rmz`	`i want documentation for ubuntu`
`18:17.24`	`mrgenixus`	`!start a language war`
`18:17.24`	`dpkg`	`Java is more readable than Haskell`
`18:17.26`	`Overand`	`GO TO #UBUNTU`
`18:17.28`	`w0rmz`	`im new in debian or ubuntu`
`18:17.31`	`Overand`	`get OUT of here.`
`18:17.34`	`Anthro`	`w0rmz: Then go fucking find some. Somewhere else.`
`18:17.36`	`w0rmz`	`im fedora user`
`18:17.38`	`ke6isf`	`w0rmz: Trying to explain to us that Ubuntu is Debian is like trying to explain to a Jew that pork is kosher.`
`18:17.41`	`Overand`	`Or I'll start asking you questions about MS Windows`
`18:17.53`	`fatal_`	`!start a distribution war`
`18:17.55`	`dabaR`	`w0rmz: ask me at #ubuntu`
`18:17.57`	`ke6isf`	`w0rmz: You're going to get laughed at, and after a while, frustrate us.`
`18:18.03`	`Anthro`	`w0rmz: Try starting at www.ubuntu.org`
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`18:18.13`	`dabaR`	`hehe, that is not the linux page.`
`18:18.15`	`dabaR`	`.com`
`18:18.18`	`rking`	`is it OK to have valid UTF-8 in URLs, or does it have to be URI-escaped?`
`18:18.21`	`dabaR`	`even worse`
`18:18.23`	`Anthro`	`dabaR: Oh? Oops.`
`18:18.24`	`w0rmz`	`im surfing there`
`18:18.27`	`jamuraa`	`ke6isf: that analogy doesn't lay out very well...`
`18:18.36`	`w0rmz`	`what the fucking channel`
`18:18.38`	`dabaR`	`w0rmz: come to #ubuntu, why did you leave there and come ehre?`
`18:18.39`	`greycat`	`!ubuntu`
`18:18.39`	`Anthro`	`dabaR: is .org pr0n?`
`18:18.39`	`dpkg`	`[ubuntu] a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian"`
`18:18.40`	`w0rmz`	`fuck off`
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`18:18.46`	`*** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ`
`18:18.54`	`dabaR`	`Anthro: no, some translation thing, I think. check it out......`
`18:18.57`	`*** mode/#debian [+b %!@60.48.90.242] by greycat`
`18:18.59`	`ke6isf`	`jamuraa: Best I can come up with on minimal caffeine and minimal improvisation.`
`18:19.00`	`*** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat`
`18:19.25`	`Rickdangerous`	`Anthro, sorry I was on the phone. what is this ostreams thing?`
`18:19.33`	`Anthro`	`Rickdangerous: It's C++. Never mind.`
`18:19.49`	`Rickdangerous`	`ok`
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`18:20.02`	`ke6isf`	`jamuraa: But yeah, that does require some refining. =^_^=`
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`18:20.25`	`jamuraa`	`ke6isf: how about ... turkey bacon is kosher?`
`18:20.30`	`jamuraa`	`:P`
`18:20.35`	`Anthro`	`jamuraa: Er... isn't it?`
`18:20.44`	`jamuraa`	`Anthro: that's the point`
`18:20.52`	`Anthro`	`Ah`
`18:20.58`	`ke6isf`	`jamuraa: turkey bacon. Strange stuff.`
`18:20.58`	`mrwill`	`is anvil available to rate limit postfix?`
`18:21.08`	`jamuraa`	`ke6isf: it's not bad, I've had it a few times`
`18:21.18`	`jamuraa`	`it doesn't cook like bacon does though`
`18:21.24`	`ke6isf`	`jamuraa: Yeah, was going to say.`
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`18:21.40`	`ke6isf`	`Anthro: As I understand it, there's apparently kosher beef bacon.`
`18:21.40`	`burpfart`	`where can i find a list of mirrors for sid?`
`18:21.43`	`Rickdangerous`	`raw turkey meat is really bad`
`18:21.46`	`yoo`	`greycat, i read the wiki and now i understand why cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA give me error :)`
`18:21.50`	`Anthro`	`ke6isf: Yowza. Interesting.`
`18:21.51`	`ke6isf`	`burpfart: apt-setup`
`18:21.51`	`Rickdangerous`	`turkey salami etc.`
`18:21.51`	`jamuraa`	`beef bacon?`
`18:21.56`	`yoo`	`cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI is OK so thank`
`18:22.05`	`burpfart`	`ke6isf i mean to download the iso`
`18:22.08`	`ke6isf`	`jamuraa: Yeah, a convert was telling me about it a while back.`
`18:22.18`	`ke6isf`	`!sid`
`18:22.18`	`dpkg`	`the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released.`
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`18:22.36`	`Mardus`	`Hi.`
`18:22.40`	`ChristianP`	`hi all`
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`18:22.49`	`luite`	`is it possible (with mount options?) to have the kernel ignore the security of a mounted filesystem, so that any user can chown all files, or chmod etc?`
`18:23.05`	`Anthro`	`luite: Not with any filesystem I know of.`
`18:23.11`	`Rickdangerous`	`luite, sure, with nfs ;)`
`18:23.14`	`ke6isf`	`luite: I told you, with sudo.`
`18:23.17`	`Mardus`	`Looks like some font issues seem to be resolved: in epic4 in X, ��, when I type them, are displayed.`
`18:23.23`	`ke6isf`	`!tell luite about sudo`
`18:23.23`	`Anthro`	`Rickdangerous: Well, I already suggested that.`
`18:23.27`	`theeil`	`firefox, galeon, and many gnome apps take a long time to load (and i mean a LONG time) and/or crash shortly after opening on my newly installed debian system`
`18:23.31`	`luite`	`ke6isf: nah sudo is not an option... it's totally different`
`18:23.41`	`jamuraa`	`if you have mount and are able to give it options, aren't you root already?`
`18:23.44`	`Mardus`	`theeil: How much RAM memory yo have?`
`18:23.47`	`Anthro`	`luite: Hack the source.`
`18:23.50`	`ke6isf`	`theeil: OK, which distro are you running?`
`18:23.53`	`dabaR`	`jamuraa, is your name jamie?`
`18:24.00`	`Mardus`	`theeil: *you`
`18:24.12`	`theeil`	`i'm running debian 3.1 with 1gb of ram`
`18:24.13`	`Rickdangerous`	`jamuraa, users can mount mount points marked as user in the fstab`
`18:24.15`	`jamuraa`	`dabaR: not last time I checked`
`18:24.22`	`luite`	`jamuraa: I want the users to have full access to this dir, I already have root access to the servers, but don't want to give that to those users :)`
`18:24.25`	`jamuraa`	`Rickdangerous: right, but they can't pass options that aren't in the fstab`
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`18:24.31`	`dabaR`	`jamuraa: good.`
`18:24.41`	`Rickdangerous`	`jamuraa, yeah`
`18:24.43`	`jamuraa`	`dabaR: why do you ask?`
`18:24.53`	`asuffield`	`they can't pass any options at all, in fact`
`18:24.56`	`ke6isf`	`carp, getting late. Gotta roll....`
`18:25.07`	`Anthro`	`luite: create an ext3suck module from the ext3 module.`
`18:25.08`	`dabaR`	`cause your nick sounds like the name of a friend. jamuraa - jamie muraai.`
`18:25.21`	`jamuraa`	`luite: why can't you just chmod it global rwx then?`
`18:25.22`	`dabaR`	`or something like that is his last name`
`18:25.22`	`Rickdangerous`	`luite, put users in the same group and set the umask?`
`18:25.36`	`Mardus`	`theeil: Well, in my experience, Firefox's slowness can be attributed to too little RAM memory. At leat 64M RAM is good.`
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`18:25.50`	`theeil`	`if (when) a major part of gnome crashes and i restart x (ctrl+alt+backspace) i can't start gnome or kde`
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`18:25.53`	`Rickdangerous`	`asuffield, that would be very insecure`
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`18:26.03`	`jamuraa`	`dabaR: wow, that's the first time I heard of a real person who might have a solid claim on this nick`
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`18:26.15`	`dabaR`	`heh, well, cool.`
`18:26.16`	`Mardus`	`theeil: In M$Win world, too much RAM memory may render a system unstable (such as Win98 or so...).`
`18:26.16`	`asuffield`	`and this is getting us nowhere`
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`18:26.23`	`asuffield`	`luite: why do you want the users to have full access?`
`18:26.24`	`Mardus`	`theeil: I can't help you with that, sorry.`
`18:26.27`	`dabaR`	`I dont think he has 2 a's in the last name,`
`18:26.41`	`theeil`	`Mardus, 1000mb of physical ram >= 64mb?`
`18:26.42`	`jclinton`	`is alioth.debian.org dead?`
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`18:27.00`	`jclinton`	`the great computer language shootout was there; i would hate for that to go away`
`18:27.21`	`jamuraa`	`jclinton: not according to my browser`
`18:27.24`	`asuffield`	`alioth dies on a fairly regular basis. dunno if it currently is`
`18:27.34`	`Rickdangerous`	`jclinton, it's not the only useful rpoject, don't worry :)`
`18:27.40`	`Covener`	`Anyone familiar w/ curl --trace? comparing its output to an iptrace it misses some \r\n's and I'm worried about what else I may be missing? (namely the blank line between response headers and response body)`
`18:27.55`	`jclinton`	`jamuraa: it's really working for you?`
`18:28.21`	`jclinton`	`the front page of alioth.debian.org says "Alioth Could Not Connect to Database:"`
`18:28.29`	`jamuraa`	`jclinton: http://alioth.debian.org works for me, but it looks like the DNS of shootout.alioth.debian.org is misplaced`
`18:28.37`	`theeil`	`firefox is not slow, it just crashes the same way evolution and galeon, nautilus, etc... do. i have PLENTY of ram, that should not be the problem`
`18:28.41`	`jclinton`	`and all cnames inside alioth do not resolve`
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`18:28.50`	`jamuraa`	`jclinton: never mind, stupid cache`
`18:29.11`	`jclinton`	`so who runs alioth?`
`18:29.20`	`jclinton`	`where would a status report be at?`
`18:29.33`	`Mardus`	`theeil: Well, I suggest you get memcheck86 or a CD that contains memcheck. I would test that RAM memory of yours...`
`18:29.41`	`Rickdangerous`	`jclinton, volunteers...`
`18:29.42`	`jamuraa`	`jclinton: it's known that it's down at least`
`18:29.46`	`yoo`	`why my sarge don't want mount my floppy : mount /dev/fd0`
`18:29.49`	`yoo`	`mount: you must specify the filesystem type`
`18:29.51`	`jclinton`	`jamuraa: ok`
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`18:30.27`	`yoo`	`Which filesystem ?`
`18:30.31`	`Rickdangerous`	`yoo, try -t vfat`
`18:30.32`	`Mardus`	`theeil: I meant that if that computer was at hand, I would test that RAM memory.`
`18:30.35`	`asg`	`yoo: whatever it was formatted with`
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`18:31.00`	`theeil`	`Mardus: can i get this from apt-get?`
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`18:32.10`	`yoo`	`mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 don't want`
`18:32.23`	`yoo`	`my floppy is empty`
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`18:32.34`	`Mardus`	`theeil: apt-cache is positive, but I have only once saved a disk image, and that too with a script that was made by someone else -- I put TomsRTBt on a diskette.`
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`18:32.58`	`Mardus`	`Anyone: Help theeil get memtest86 on a diskette.`
`18:33.00`	`yoo`	`/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0`
`18:33.08`	`guevol1`	`how i rebuild the cache of aptitude?`
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`18:33.30`	`Mardus`	`Or help theeil out with his/her X graphical programs randomly crashing`
`18:33.41`	`yoo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:33.48`	`yoo`	`mount: you must specify the filesystem type`
`18:34.02`	`yoo`	`What's wrong ?`
`18:34.04`	`asg`	`yoo: yes, that generally indicates there isn't a filesystem on it`
`18:34.11`	`asg`	`yoo: an unformatted floppy`
`18:34.12`	`solee`	`could anyone tell me how I can see the list of packages to be upgraded by apt-get dist-upgrade? (In Gentoo I can do it by 'emerge -upvND word')`
`18:34.19`	`yoo`	`oki`
`18:34.20`	`Rickdangerous`	`yoo, your media is the problem. maybe unformatted`
`18:34.23`	`asg`	`solee: apt-get -u ...`
`18:34.32`	`yoo`	`i go to foramt it`
`18:34.35`	`asg`	`solee: also, apt-get -s`
`18:34.40`	`Mardus`	`solee: You are using gentoo?`
`18:34.43`	`Rickdangerous`	`also ctrl-c :)`
`18:34.49`	`solee`	`Mardus, yes..`
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`18:35.13`	`Mardus`	`solee: Well, you could ask gentoo questions in #gentoo or something ;)`
`18:35.14`	`solee`	`asg: if i do 'apt-get -u' it prints text as if I typed apt-get --help or something.`
`18:35.26`	`asg`	`solee: apt-get -u dist-upgrade`
`18:35.30`	`solee`	`Mardus: no I have to do something in debian`
`18:35.35`	`asg`	`solee: apt-get -s dist-upgrade`
`18:35.42`	`solee`	`asg: oh I see. thank you :)`
`18:35.43`	`drac`	`Mardus: "could anyone tell me how I can see the list of packages to be upgraded by apt-get dist-upgrade?" is a Gentoo questions.. Since when?`
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`18:36.06`	`asg`	`Mardus: he was using GT as a reference since he didn't know how to ask in Debian terms`
`18:36.12`	`guevol1`	`how i rebuild the cache of aptitude?`
`18:36.18`	`Mardus`	`drac: solee mentioned gentoo. I didn't know he had a debian question.`
`18:36.31`	`RvGaTe`	`"This device doesn't support WOL, and therefor is not bootable." <- is that correct english, including punctations?`
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`18:36.35`	`dabaR`	`guevol1: you mean like sudo aptitude update?`
`18:36.44`	`dabaR`	`or aptitude update as root.`
`18:36.46`	`asg`	`RvGaTe: therefore, not therefor`
`18:36.50`	`Rickdangerous`	`Mardus's gentoo reflexes are fast :)`
`18:36.55`	`Mardus`	`drac: Rather, Well I've been following the line of "ask knoppix questions in #knoppix"`
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`18:37.01`	`Lee__`	`how would I see what libraries a binary is linked to?`
`18:37.04`	`RvGaTe`	`asg: alright thx`
`18:37.07`	`guevol1`	`dabaR: i was run the update`
`18:37.18`	`TeamGuard`	`Could anyone tell me how to check the diskspace in debian linux?`
`18:37.20`	`Rickdangerous`	`Lee__, ld pathtoexec`
`18:37.25`	`Lee__`	`thanks`
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`18:37.34`	`Rickdangerous`	`Lee__, sorry ldd pathtoexec`
`18:37.36`	`Rickdangerous`	`np`
`18:37.51`	`Rickdangerous`	`ld is _the_ linker`
`18:38.23`	`Lee__`	`this may be a bit ambitious, but is there a way to show what packages depend on a specific library?`
`18:38.32`	`asg`	`Lee__: apt-rdepends`
`18:38.35`	`dabaR`	`guevol1: that is not in english, I hope it was not a question.`
`18:38.40`	`Rickdangerous`	`Lee__, apt-cache rdepends packagename`
`18:38.42`	`Mardus`	`solee: If you see issues with text scrolling and some text become visible in the 'upper sides', press shift+PgUp. If there's more than about six PgUp's (or so much) worth of text, type your command and additionally type \| pager`
`18:38.45`	`Lee__`	`excellent`
`18:38.57`	`Rickdangerous`	`asg, does that work?`
`18:39.03`	`emRick`	How do I undelete files on memory cards? Formatted in vfat, I think. Tried ``e2undel'' but didn't work.
`18:39.09`	`ChristianP`	`i installed rosegarden, but it doesn't found /dev/snd/seq. So i modprobe snd_seq and rosegarden works, but no audio outs! Even Xmms (with alsa plugin output) get no sound. modprobe -r snd_seq and all was working (except rosegarden!). What's the matter?`
`18:39.24`	`Lee__`	`Rickdangerous: yup`
`18:39.27`	`Mardus`	`solee: That will open the pager, which will show you too much console text. You can then use PgUp/Dn buttons. Type q to quit pager.`
`18:39.30`	`guevol1`	`dabaR: hehe. easy. When i run the aptitude update i get this: Segmentatio fault.`
`18:39.37`	`asg`	`Rickdangerous: they both should`
`18:39.41`	`guevol1`	`Segmentation`
`18:39.42`	`Rickdangerous`	`hm`
`18:40.02`	`Lee__`	`ChristianP: get your sound working with the ALSA command line utils before you move on to the applications. Join #alsa for help.`
`18:40.17`	`mz_work`	`TeamGuard: man df or man du or apt-get install discus`
`18:40.30`	`dabaR`	`guevol1: wow.`
`18:40.44`	`solee`	`Mardus: Alright, thanks. :)`
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`18:41.14`	`guevol1`	`dabaR: do you have some idea of how i will fix this ?`
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`18:41.54`	`solomonn`	`i have an app that wants perl/tk 804.27`
`18:42.12`	`solomonn`	`that's not present in unstable.. anyone know of unofficial package sources?`
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`18:42.37`	`dabaR`	`guevol1: you may have a better chance if you paste the output from your terminal to a pastebin, or #flood`
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`18:42.50`	`Mardus`	`solee: Otherwise, shift+PgUp/PgDown will help. Pager also contains search functions. In pager, type / then type your search term. If you want to repeat the search, type n. The command line is at the bottom and shows a colon -- :`
`18:42.51`	`asg`	`solomonn: #perl might know. You'll likely have to compile from source though.`
`18:42.57`	`Lee__`	`random question, would anyone know what utility can convert a sound file in W64 format to CD quality wav?`
`18:43.14`	`greycat`	`what's W64?`
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`18:44.01`	`Mardus`	`solee: shift+PgUp when in console. Pager also enables to save long output to a file. Type s and the command line will prompt for a filename.`
`18:44.04`	`hume`	`hi, mi wifi-nic, that normally is called wlan0, is not found by ifup when I try a new kernel. module ipw2100 loads fine, but interface name wlan0 is not recognized - where am I to check?`
`18:44.07`	`Lee__`	`I think it's a 64bit wave, but file just says it's "data"`
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`18:44.16`	`asg`	`hume: /sbin/ifconfig -a`
`18:44.21`	`Lee__`	`timemachine only writes to that format`
`18:44.25`	`asg`	`hume: does any other name show up that wasn't there before?`
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`18:44.49`	`hume`	`asg, just eth0, that is an unconnected ethernet nic`
`18:45.07`	`asg`	`hume: anything in 'dmesg' about it?`
`18:45.20`	`hume`	`asg, hang on`
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`18:45.51`	`guevol1`	`dabaR: look: http://pastebin.com/334743`
`18:45.52`	`mz_work`	`Lee__: ecasound`
`18:45.58`	`hume`	`asg, i had an option in /etc/modprobe.d/ipw2100, "ifname wlan0" - is that right?`
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`18:46.38`	`Lee__`	`mz_work: thanks. it looks like sndfile-convert does it too.`
`18:46.48`	`asg`	`hume: I'm not sure what options that module takes but it looks okay`
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`18:47.32`	`yoo`	`i want to create a link symbolic between /media/floppy0 and /dev/fd0 in my /dev`
`18:47.36`	`hume`	`asg, same for e100, but there is a complaint about that during startup....you know where to check for if it's an ok option?`
`18:47.49`	`asg`	`hume: modinfo <module>`
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`18:48.08`	`asg`	`!tell Mardus about away`
`18:48.21`	`yoo`	`ln -s /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 create a link in /media/floppy0/fd0`
`18:48.38`	`guevol1`	`what is happen ? http://pastebin.com/334743`
`18:48.44`	`dabaR`	`guevol1: your aptitude is broken. uninstall, then reinstall it, to see it that fixes it.`
`18:48.47`	`hume`	`asg, now i got more info: ifconfig -a now turns up an eth1 that was not there before`
`18:49.08`	`yoo`	`i want a /media/floppy0 -----> /devfd0 in my /dev`
`18:49.21`	`hume`	`asg, dmesg says nothing about interface name connected to ipw2100`
`18:49.25`	`yoo`	`Which is the true command please`
`18:49.31`	`asg`	`hume: ah, the ifname probably didn't take. You should be able to use eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces just fine.`
`18:49.57`	`greycat`	`yoo: then remove the directory first.`
`18:49.59`	`greycat`	`duh.`
`18:50.26`	`yoo`	`ok`
`18:50.37`	`dabaR`	`greycat: why would aptitude sg fault?`
`18:50.39`	`dabaR`	`seg`
`18:50.40`	`yoo`	`rm -r /media/floppy0`
`18:50.43`	`hume`	`is there a way to set the ifname then, other than what i tried, in modprobe.d?`
`18:50.54`	`asg`	`hume: the ifname command`
`18:51.03`	`asg`	`hume: or nameif rather`
`18:51.09`	`dabaR`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:51.39`	`asg`	`dabaR: then use 'strace' to find out what it was doing when that was generated`
`18:51.50`	`bkm`	`on my debian unstable (from when woody was stable) i now get login: but instead of password: It complains of problems with libpam.so.0 Any ideas where to start with something like this other than fdisk?`
`18:51.52`	`hume`	`asg, to put where? ... is there a howto or something about this?`
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`18:52.06`	`asg`	`hume: you could do it using a 'pre-up' stanza in /etc/network/interfaces`
`18:52.16`	`asg`	`hume: man 5 interfaces (will give you some info)`
`18:52.31`	`hume`	`asg, great, thx`
`18:52.41`	`greycat`	`dabaR: bug, or possibly bad RAM.`
`18:52.43`	`greycat`	`!sig11`
`18:52.43`	`dpkg`	`sig11 is, like, Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/`
`18:52.50`	`dabaR`	`ok, thanks.`
`18:53.19`	`dabaR`	`guevol1: check this out. see what asg and greycat posted about that.`
`18:53.23`	`Mxyzpltk`	`what would be my best option for burning dvds? should I patch cdrecord or use cdrecord-ProDVD or etc?`
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`18:53.26`	`dabaR`	`and that, I need to go.`
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`18:54.43`	`theeil`	`Mardus: i was running xp today, it was running just fine and as fast as normal, i guess that works as a memory test`
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`18:55.13`	`mz_work`	`Mxyzpltk: growisofs?`
`18:55.16`	`maffelu`	`how do you change keyboard layout from Dvorak to qwerty?`
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`18:56.10`	`Mxyzpltk`	`mz_work: I really don't know where to start, will that allow me to burn them, or just to build the big iso?`
`18:56.31`	`mz_work`	`both`
`18:57.02`	`mz_work`	`well dvd+rw-tools is the app`
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`18:57.08`	`Mxyzpltk`	`ok, cool, I guess I need to learn the process before finding the tools, I'll go read, thanks mz_work`
`18:57.23`	`Mxyzpltk`	`yes, I know where growisofs is, thanks a lot`
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`18:57.33`	`LSorensen`	`Mxyzpltk: it is really simple to use`
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`18:58.38`	`Mxyzpltk`	`LSorensen: good, checking it's man right now`
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`19:00.31`	`xam`	`<LSorensen> tech9iner: /usr/local/bin for binaries, the rest should be right`
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`19:01.22`	`elements`	`Can anyone enlighten me how to create a linux-image.deb instead of the old name kernel-image.deb?`
`19:01.28`	`elements`	`Obviously there must be a better way than to edit debian/control (after its generated by make-kpkg)?`
`19:01.54`	`greycat`	`!maint linux-image-2.6`
`19:01.58`	`greycat`	`!maint linux-image-2.6-386`
`19:02.03`	`dpkg`	`linux-image-2.6-386: Debian Kernel Team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org>`
`19:02.06`	`greycat`	`ask them.`
`19:02.26`	`elements`	`Thanks`
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`19:04.50`	`Rickdangerous`	`cool`
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`19:05.17`	`Rickdangerous`	`will we have hurd-image-xx soon?`
`19:05.36`	`greycat`	`ask the 6 users in #debian-hurd I guess`
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`19:05.39`	`edson`	`anybody know how to use hunt toll`
`19:05.57`	`abrotman`	`huntthewumpus ?`
`19:06.03`	`Rickdangerous`	`freebsd-image-6.0 ?`
`19:06.11`	`abrotman`	`no .. not freebsd`
`19:06.17`	`abrotman`	`it would be kbsd or whatever they call it this week`
`19:06.20`	`Rickdangerous`	`yes kfreebsd`
`19:06.30`	`abrotman`	`i thought it was just kbsd`
`19:06.35`	`hume`	`i got problems with portforwarding and gnomemeeting - in conf wizard gnome-meeting checks nat and says it is symmetrical, even though I have forwarded the ports - anyone knows what to check?`
`19:06.45`	`Rickdangerous`	`there's netbsd kernel too`
`19:06.55`	`abrotman`	`!debian gnu/kfreebsd`
`19:06.55`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, debian gnu/kfreebsd is a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/kfreebsd/install.html`
`19:06.57`	`greycat`	`that'd be #debian-bsd unless it's changed`
`19:07.05`	`abrotman`	`!debian bsd`
`19:07.06`	`dpkg`	`debian bsd is probably a port of Debian to the FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels, using either a native BSD C library or Glibc. See http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd and http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or ask me about debian gnu/kfreebsd`
`19:07.26`	`Lee__`	`that's crazy!`
`19:07.33`	`Rickdangerous`	`those links are not updated regularly`
`19:07.36`	`abrotman`	`duh`
`19:07.44`	`Lee__`	`is there a Debian OS X too?`
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`19:07.52`	`abrotman`	`our bot maintainer got hit by a bicycle .. he's out of commision`
`19:08.04`	`abrotman`	`Lee__: you would mean debian opendarwin .. and not that i'm aware of`
`19:08.12`	`Rickdangerous`	`Lee__, that should be darwin`
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`19:08.20`	`pjz`	`if I have my own repository how do I set a pin preference in /etc/apt/preferences that says 'prefer those versions over all others' ?`
`19:08.29`	`abrotman`	`!tell pjz about pinning`
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`19:09.02`	`Blissex`	`pjz: have a look at http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ just in case...`
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`19:10.09`	`pjz`	`right, I see release o=Ubuntu there, but I don't know where it gets that information`
`19:10.32`	`pjz`	`I mean, i don't know how to check to make sure the packages I built (or the Packages.gz in my repository or whatever) carry that info`
`19:10.34`	`greycat`	`clearly it's tainted by evil.`
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`19:11.10`	`theeil`	`i'm having a problem with pppoe, when i boot up, it is not connected and pon dsl-provider does not work; i have to run pppoeconf again, and this works but is a pain`
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`19:11.43`	`pjz`	`the packages I want show up in apt-cache show foo, but they're not being used`
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`19:12.40`	`MrBallZ`	`sup guys`
`19:12.44`	`CapoeiraB`	I'm having a problem with evolution dying. I installed from the packages on apt using the testing packages and everytime I start evolution it dies with: Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_sortable_set_sort_column_id: assertion `GTK_IS_TREE_SORTABLE (sortable)' failed
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`19:12.56`	`CapoeiraB`	`is there anything anyone knows right off hand that I might have forgotten?`
`19:12.59`	`greycat`	`CapoeiraB: and the BTS said...?`
`19:13.01`	`MrBallZ`	`question: wich linux music player supports itunes files ? amaroK perhaps ???`
`19:13.26`	`CapoeiraB`	`greycat: forgive my ignorance, but I don't know what BTS is.`
`19:13.37`	`greycat`	`!bts`
`19:13.37`	`dpkg`	`hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges`
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`19:13.49`	`CapoeiraB`	`ah, sorry. I will check now.`
`19:13.54`	`CapoeiraB`	`thanks`
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`19:15.14`	`abrotman`	`i hate it when i go to the BTS and it says "Always check your optics"`
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`19:16.45`	`CapoeiraB`	`Real Genius? was that the name of that movie?`
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`19:17.44`	`yoo`	`mount /floppy`
`19:17.50`	`tarzeau`	`can someone help me understand resident evil?`
`19:17.54`	`yoo`	`mount: you must specify the filesystem type`
`19:18.02`	`greycat`	`it's, like, really bad and it lives here?`
`19:18.03`	`yoo`	`What the problem ?`
`19:18.05`	`tarzeau`	`yoo: try -t vfat`
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`19:18.34`	`yoo`	`the marge:~# mount -t vfat /floppy`
`19:18.36`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: undersatnd what? ... it's a movie with a girl running around in a skimpy dress .. and she shoots a gun .. and gets wet .. what's the problem?`
`19:18.44`	`yoo`	`Usage: mount -V : print version etc......`
`19:18.45`	`yoo`	`no`
`19:18.46`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: why?`
`19:18.51`	`abrotman`	`why what why?`
`19:19.04`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: why are those others guys cut into pieces with that laser thing in the room`
`19:19.06`	`nvz`	`abrotman: sounds like a lot of other movies.. like tomb raider or electra..etc`
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`19:19.09`	`theine`	Hi, when I do ``vmstat 5`` I can see that my harddisk is constantly written to. Does anybody know whether it's possible to identify the process that does that?
`19:19.11`	`tarzeau`	`when she cries like "open the door"`
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`19:19.24`	`yoo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:19.25`	`pjz`	`Blissex: thanks for actually being helpful, btw`
`19:19.37`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: defense system ?`
`19:19.44`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: oh wait .. it was HAL`
`19:19.45`	`yoo`	`then the same problem with all my disk`
`19:20.00`	`yoo`	`mount: you must specify the filesystem type`
`19:20.03`	`pjz`	`Blissex: your apt-pinning info was much more useful than the basic crap that abrotman spewed at me by reflex`
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`19:20.14`	`tarzeau`	`yoo: what filesystem is on the disk?`
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`19:20.47`	`indole`	`Which package contains the java executable?`
`19:20.51`	`yoo`	`tarzeau : in my floppy idon't know`
`19:21.06`	`yoo`	`i do that : fdformat /dev/fd0`
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`19:21.11`	`yoo`	`so formatted now`
`19:21.19`	`tarzeau`	`indole: sun-j2sdk1.5*.deb ?`
`19:21.21`	`nvz`	`indole: you have to make the package. its not in debian`
`19:21.21`	`Blissex`	`theine: yes`
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`19:21.36`	`tarzeau`	`indole: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/`
`19:21.46`	`tarzeau`	`yoo: haha`
`19:21.47`	`nvz`	`indole: install java-package and download a linux .bin from sun and turn it into a .deb with make-jpkg from java-package`
`19:21.49`	`yoo`	`perhaps my floppy drive is H.S`
`19:21.55`	`Lee__`	`or install blackdown`
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`19:22.00`	`tarzeau`	`yoo: ok it's formatted, before you can mount, you must write some filesystem onto it`
`19:22.01`	`yoo`	`:)`
`19:22.03`	`nvz`	`!blackdown`
`19:22.03`	`dpkg`	`blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or shit, use java-package`
`19:22.04`	`abrotman`	`it was the same damn thing dumbass`
`19:22.04`	`nvz`	`^^`
`19:22.05`	`theine`	`Blissex, great, please let me know`
`19:22.09`	`tarzeau`	`yoo: try mkfs.vfat or .ext2 onto /dev/fd0`
`19:22.15`	`theine`	`Blissex, ...how`
`19:22.16`	`yoo`	`oki`
`19:22.19`	`abrotman`	`idiot`
`19:22.25`	`nvz`	`note the comments its shit and use java-package`
`19:22.33`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: the film doesn't want to say anything?`
`19:22.39`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: about what?`
`19:22.46`	`Lee__`	`blackdown has an apt repo. I have used it once and it does work.`
`19:22.57`	`abrotman`	`Lee__: they are old .. and probably have security issues`
`19:22.59`	`Blissex`	`theine: web search for /proc/sys/vm/block_dump`
`19:23.01`	`Lee__`	`a ha.`
`19:23.07`	`abrotman`	`iirc .. they are java 1.4.0`
`19:23.09`	`Lee__`	`damn java.`
`19:23.12`	`nvz`	`yes there are different degrees of working`
`19:23.18`	`theine`	`Blissex, thanks a lot`
`19:23.43`	`Blissex`	`theine: however what you state is highly unlikely...`
`19:23.49`	`nvz`	`like the small degree I worked today because I felt like I was having a mental breakdown and figured it would be better to do it on my own time :P`
`19:23.49`	`LSorensen`	`lee: there is also make-jpkg which works with the .bin's from sun and makes a nice ready to use .deb`
`19:24.13`	`lee`	`that's nice, LSorensen, tell Lee__ that =)`
`19:24.33`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i have no idea`
`19:24.39`	`Lee__`	`LSorensen: that's the one I used before I discovered the blackdown apt repo. Although an up to date java is probably a good idea for a server.`
`19:24.40`	`nvz`	`or even indole who asked the question`
`19:24.42`	`theine`	Blissex, maybe, but the ``bo`` column shows values around 50 every line
`19:24.45`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: sometimes there's something between the lines`
`19:24.51`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: some sort of secret message`
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`19:25.10`	`theine`	`Blissex, actually it's around 10`
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`19:25.25`	`Blissex`	`theine: 50 is pretty small. Lots of things can go on in the system that require a bit of flushing the block cache every now and then.`
`19:25.42`	`LSorensen`	`lee: I used to use blackdown. I have had way less trouble with make-jpkg than with blackdown`
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`19:26.08`	`Blissex`	`theine: perhaps do a web search on things like the 'bdflush' daemon. Also, 'syslogd' can write and flush things constantly.`
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`19:27.08`	`ArSeN`	`hi!`
`19:27.08`	`theine`	`Blissex, ok, i'll do that, the reason i'm looking into this is that I think it's the reason why my harddisk doesn't spin down`
`19:27.16`	`ArSeN`	`what was the command to install an package from the apt-cache?`
`19:27.28`	`nvz`	`ArSeN: apt-get install`
`19:27.31`	`greycat`	`ArSeN: cd /var/cache/apt/archives; dpkg -i blah?`
`19:27.32`	`ArSeN`	`thx`
`19:27.42`	`theine`	`Hmmm, my english used to be in a better shape...`
`19:27.46`	`greycat`	`nvz: oh. he was that clueless?`
`19:27.50`	`greycat`	`my god.`
`19:27.58`	`nvz`	`ArSeN: unless you mean what greycat said.. which is to install something physically cached on the system`
`19:28.01`	`indole`	`I'm not having any luck finding these packages... Where can I get an up-to-date sources.list?`
`19:28.01`	`nvz`	`greycat: I dunno`
`19:28.07`	`nvz`	`greycat: I interpreted it differently`
`19:28.09`	`greycat`	`indole: apt-setup`
`19:28.09`	`theine`	`Blissex, anyway, thanks for your help`
`19:28.10`	`Blissex`	`theine: oh this another case where people should always say _why_ they want to do something first...`
`19:28.11`	`nvz`	`greycat: assuming so`
`19:28.16`	`greycat`	`indole: man sources.list`
`19:28.27`	`theine`	`Blissex, I must have forgotten that...`
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`19:28.45`	`Blissex`	`theine: had you said that first, I would have pointed you to the ''laptop mode'' stuff.`
`19:29.02`	`ricardo_`	`boa tarde...`
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`19:29.30`	`theine`	`Blissex, alright, I guess I should google for that`
`19:29.31`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i so hate that kind of films`
`19:29.35`	`nvz`	`ArSeN: apt-get downloads it from the source then caches it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and runs dpkg.. if you've already locally cached the package you can just go there and install it with dpkg yourself`
`19:29.41`	`ArSeN`	`Damn... what was the command to add an IP to my networkcard?`
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`19:29.47`	`ArSeN`	`pls help :/`
`19:29.51`	`greycat`	`ArSeN: editor /etc/network/interfaces; ifup eth0:1`
`19:29.51`	`nvz`	`ArSeN: man 5 interfaces`
`19:29.52`	`tarzeau`	`ArSeN: ifconfig interface:1 ip`
`19:29.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`in /root/.profile file... what package or function include this? its only for root, yes ?`
`19:30.02`	`Blissex`	`theine: there is an extensive discussion in the kernel's 'Documentation' directory, with the obvious name.`
`19:30.12`	`Blissex`	`theine: but also a couple of online sites.`
`19:31.32`	`theine`	`Blissex, ok, i'll look into that, thanks again`
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`19:34.13`	`MrBallZ`	`question: wich linux music player supports itunes files ? amaroK perhaps ??? or wich one do you recommend ?`
`19:34.45`	`p8m-work`	`MrBallZ: Music bought from itunes? None.`
`19:34.46`	`LSorensen`	`MrBallZ: as in downloaded from itunes that you pay for?`
`19:34.56`	`Blissex`	`MrBallZ: aren't iTunes files encoded with a proprietary encoder?`
`19:35.09`	`LSorensen`	`Blissex: well that we could deal with. they also have drm encryption crap`
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`19:35.15`	`p8m-work`	`Blissex: they are DRM encrusted`
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`19:35.22`	`MrBallZ`	`some arent, the .mpa`
`19:35.29`	`MrBallZ`	`those arent encrypted ?`
`19:35.35`	`MrBallZ`	`sorry bout ther " ? "`
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`19:36.16`	`Blissex`	`The DRM is purely in the software -- if you write a player you can ignore the DRM, and in some countries the DMCA does not exist. The big deal is probably that you cannot write a player because the format is patented or something similar.`
`19:36.46`	`greycat`	`playfair version 0.5, on Freenet (probably expired out of the network)`
`19:36.47`	`Danamania`	`greycat: aye. AAC is common enough to find players on all platforms. the iTMS encrypts it with the 'fairplay', and it's those encrypted/DRM AAC files from iTMS are the problematic ones`
`19:37.09`	`icyfire0573`	`if i boot my laptop w/ wireless, and it dosen't create the 'file' for eth0, how would i go about creating eth0?`
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`19:37.19`	`LSorensen`	`Blissex: any drm you could jsut ignore would be useless. it has to encrypt the file to enforce it`
`19:37.36`	`LSorensen`	`icyfire0573: install the drivers for it, and use iwconfig`
`19:37.45`	`icyfire0573`	`drivers are installed`
`19:37.50`	`icyfire0573`	`how would i use iwconfig`
`19:38.14`	`Blissex`	`LSorensen: plenty of ''useless'' schemes exist, and encryption that has to have the key embedded in the player is also mostly useless. The key is the legal situation, not the technical one.`
`19:38.51`	`LSorensen`	`Blissex: I suspect if an itunes user was to copy all their files and then reinstall the os from scratch they would loose their key and have problems playing their files again`
`19:38.54`	`icyfire0573`	`it was showing up in the default kernel (sarge), but i put in the 2.6 kernel (compiled it elsewhere and just moved the modules and bzimage to the computer) rebooted with the 2.6 kernel, and now hotplug no longer runs`
`19:39.17`	`LSorensen`	`icyfire0573: what's wrong with the 2.6 kernel sarge comes with?`
`19:39.20`	`nvz`	`I need to make a program that bugs me until I do things.`
`19:39.24`	`LSorensen`	`icyfire0573: and which network chip?`
`19:39.26`	`icyfire0573`	`also, i cant go back to the 2.4 kernel because somehow (i really would like to know how) the modules for it in the 2.4 kernel were deleted`
`19:39.28`	`icyfire0573`	`orinoco`
`19:39.36`	`nvz`	`I still havent put the few xset commands into my xsession yet.. I type them like everytime I login`
`19:39.48`	`nvz`	`all I have to do is put an echo and a redirect to a file`
`19:40.03`	`Danamania`	`LSorensen: I think a machine can be re-authorized using iTunes and a user's iTMS login`
`19:40.11`	`LSorensen`	`dam: well hopefully.`
`19:40.15`	`stew`	`nvz: stop chatting and do it now`
`19:40.21`	`nvz`	`yeah right`
`19:40.22`	`icyfire0573`	`there probably isn't anything wrong with the 2.6 kernel sarge comes with, im just used to compiling my own`
`19:40.24`	`Punching_Bag`	`lol`
`19:40.30`	`nvz`	`I've been procrastinating this stuff for years`
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`19:40.40`	`stew`	`nvz: did you do it yet? i'm going to bug you since you don't have a program to :P`
`19:40.41`	`LSorensen`	`Blissex: as long as the key is on the machine in a way the player program knows how to use, it works. apple isn't very in to telling people how their system works though`
`19:40.41`	`nvz`	`the most mundane things I just wont ever do`
`19:41.07`	`LSorensen`	`icyfire0573: well maybe you should try the sarge one since it works and yours is missing some features that apparently are required`
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`19:41.57`	`icyfire0573`	`i think if i had installed the sarge one it would have made the changes necessary to run a 2.6 kernel, plus i've kinda lost network acces, and only have a floppy drive to put stuff on the thing now =O`
`19:42.00`	`LSorensen`	`icyfire0573: maybe you forgot modprobe support or hotplug support, or the orinoco driver module or who knows.`
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`19:42.05`	`nvz`	`stew: Ellen Degeneres told me I should procrastinate now or I will never get around to it`
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`19:42.19`	`nvz`	`stew: she's a bit weird.. but somehow I know she's right`
`19:42.29`	`stew`	`heh`
`19:42.38`	`emurz`	`Hello, Does anyone know any useful unofficial debian packages sources lists?`
`19:42.42`	`LSorensen`	`icyfire0573: and you probably deleted stuff in /lib/modules when you copied things manually. building a kernel on debian is best done with make-kpkg which turns it into a nice .deb you can install (and later remove) as needed`
`19:42.51`	`LSorensen`	`emurz: marillat is useful`
`19:42.53`	`stew`	`emurz: apt-get.org`
`19:43.33`	`icyfire0573`	`LSorensen: alright, ill take your word for it, im off to see if i can write a script to give me wireless access`
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`19:44.46`	`stew`	`icyfire0573: script? why not /etc/network/interfaces?`
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`19:45.04`	`icyfire0573`	`i didn't think of them, ill try them too`
`19:45.05`	`LSorensen`	`icyfire0573: read up on make-kpkg from package kernel-package. much cleaner and safer way to install kernels`
`19:45.23`	`stew`	`icyfire0573: man interfaces ; man wireless`
`19:45.24`	`lol725`	`E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.4.27-2-386 - when i try to apt-get install kernel-source`
`19:45.34`	`lol725`	`any idea what version i'm supposed to use?`
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`19:45.39`	`icyfire0573`	`LSorensen: i just tarred up the /lib/modules/kernel and copied over the bzimage, it seemed pretty cut and dry at the time`
`19:45.47`	`greycat`	`kernel sources aren't sub-architecture specific.`
`19:45.55`	`greycat`	`you probably want headers.`
`19:45.56`	`stew`	`lol725: kernel-source-2.4.27 or kenrel-headers-2.4.27-2-386`
`19:46.00`	`lol`	`hm`
`19:46.03`	`stew`	`lol: you probably just need the headers`
`19:46.13`	`lol`	`i did the headers`
`19:46.17`	`theine`	`Blissex, the laptop-mode-tools package works perfectly for me, many thanks again!`
`19:46.25`	`stew`	`lol: what are you trying to do?`
`19:46.37`	`lol`	`i'm trying to remake my kernel so i can add in CONFIG_NET_RADIO`
`19:46.52`	`LSorensen`	`icyfire0573: what about System.map and config and such?`
`19:46.55`	`nvz`	`I actually tried to remove some orphaned packages from my system last night speaking of mundane shit.. but it wouldnt let me I incanted something like deborpohan \| tr "\n" " " \| xargs apt-get --purge remove, and it just says ABORT afterward without lettting me choose yes or now shrug`
`19:46.59`	`lol`	`i'm kinda stumbling around going from site to site`
`19:47.00`	`Blissex`	`theine: OK, thats wonderful, but also read carefully the laptop mode docs in general and keep an eye on your processes.`
`19:47.06`	`lol`	`because i keep getting stuck on certain steps`
`19:47.17`	`stew`	`lol: CONIFG_NET_RADIO is already in 2.4.27-2`
`19:47.23`	`lol`	`oh`
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`19:47.28`	`lol`	`well`
`19:47.29`	`Blissex`	`nvz: doing that kind of stuff is easy and controllable using 'aptitude'`
`19:47.32`	`stew`	`lol: grep CONFIG_NET_RADIO /boot/config-2.4.27-2-386`
`19:47.38`	`lol`	`when i run iwconfig i get lo: no wireless extensions`
`19:47.42`	`lol`	`and eth0: no wireless extensions`
`19:47.46`	`nvz`	`Blissex: yeah I think synaptic may do it too`
`19:47.58`	`lol`	`yeah its enabled heh :`
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`19:48.03`	`greycat`	`garc1:~$ grep NET_RADIO /boot/config-$(uname -r)`
`19:48.03`	`greycat`	`CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y`
`19:48.04`	`stew`	`lol: what chipset is your card; what driver are you using?`
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`19:48.08`	`lol`	`intel 220`
`19:48.09`	`nvz`	`Blissex: I use apt-get most of the time.. I should take more time on the little things that bug me`
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`19:48.10`	`lol`	`2200*`
`19:48.14`	`jkaufman`	`lol: your name is messing with my mind, everytime you type i get the idea that your laughing.`
`19:48.15`	`jkaufman`	`O_O`
`19:48.20`	`lol`	`lol jkauf`
`19:48.22`	`stew`	`lol: /msg dpkg ipw2200`
`19:48.25`	`lol`	`i don't know what driver i'm using ;/`
`19:48.25`	`lol`	`k`
`19:48.26`	`nvz`	`problems seem to have to have a sertain severity for me to actually act on them`
`19:48.38`	`nvz`	`usually if it interrupts my irc its a PIMA`
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`19:48.41`	`stew`	`nvz: did you add xset to your .xsession yet?`
`19:48.43`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: you just have to watch the film .. it's not complicated :)`
`19:48.46`	`nvz`	`nope`
`19:48.47`	`LSorensen`	`lol: if you didn't install the ipw2200 driver, they you are using no driver at all`
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`19:49.02`	`cr3`	`how can I prevent xdm from starting after booting?`
`19:49.09`	`smagy2`	`hello folks, i am using NIS and the problem is that an account for 2 members are to be created that they can log on to only 2 systems in the current domain of 10 machines. i had a look at netgroup, but hasnt quite worked out well. would appreciate some advice`
`19:49.09`	`lol`	`i dled ipw2200 and its on my cd`
`19:49.10`	`bujin`	`hi`
`19:49.10`	`finn`	`I know this one`
`19:49.13`	`lol`	`but i dont think i installed it right`
`19:49.14`	`finn`	`I know it cr3 !`
`19:49.19`	`lol`	`actually i dont think the install worked at all`
`19:49.32`	`greycat`	`cr3: /msg dpkg nodm`
`19:49.32`	`finn`	`delete the link in /etc/rc2.d/`
`19:49.36`	`bujin`	`how can i configure a wireless conection?`
`19:49.40`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i'm doing that, right now`
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`19:49.55`	`finn`	`does dpkg know everything?`
`19:49.55`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: and i so hate it much, it has some wrong physics engine inside`
`19:49.59`	`smagy2`	`bujin: have you had a look at ndiswrapper and wireless-tools ?`
`19:50.00`	`LSorensen`	`lol: apt-get install ipw2200-source, then use m-a (module-assistant) or the like to build it`
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`19:50.12`	`lol`	`hm`
`19:50.13`	`stew`	`lol: /msg dpkg ipw2200 <-- follow those instructions`
`19:50.14`	`tarzeau`	`like when mila kicks that dead dog on the head, the whole body flies in the direction she kicked`
`19:50.20`	`lol`	`i did stew`
`19:50.22`	`bujin`	`smagy2, no llet me see`
`19:50.22`	`lol`	`says it cant find that`
`19:50.26`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: it's a movie .. not an educational video`
`19:50.37`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: if you want bad physics .. watch the Hulk`
`19:50.40`	`lol`	`can't find ipw2200 or ipw2200-souce`
`19:50.55`	`stew`	`!info ipw2200-source sarge`
`19:51.00`	`lol`	`i burned ipw2200 onto a cd`
`19:51.05`	`dpkg`	`ipw2200-source: (Source for the ipw2200 driver), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 180 kB`
`19:51.09`	`lol`	`but it seems to have no extension other than [1]`
`19:51.12`	`finn`	`greycat, will my sollution not work?`
`19:51.14`	`lol`	`so i don't know what to do with it`
`19:51.14`	`stew`	`lol: do you have contrib in your sources?`
`19:51.14`	`tarzeau`	`and i hate that falling elevator in films.`
`19:51.22`	`lol`	`erm`
`19:51.32`	`LSorensen`	`lol: the cd sets don't include contrib and non-free`
`19:51.34`	`lol`	`could you elaborate a little ;x i'm kinda new to unix`
`19:51.46`	`LSorensen`	`lol: so you would need an internet connection to grab the ipw2200-source debian package`
`19:51.52`	`lol`	`i see`
`19:51.58`	`smagy2`	`bujin: http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/5728/5/`
`19:52.12`	`stew`	`lol: you can download the ipw2200-source pacakge from http://packages.debian.org/ipw2200-source`
`19:52.20`	`lol`	`could i just burn it?`
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`19:52.24`	`Lee__`	`#join debian-devel`
`19:52.27`	`GooZ`	`s`
`19:52.34`	`Lee__`	`sorry`
`19:52.35`	`lol`	`i'm running out of cds like mad but if it works i dont mind heh`
`19:52.39`	`abrotman`	`lol .. what a stupid nick .. lol`
`19:52.42`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`19:52.42`	`bujin`	`ok thanks smagy2`
`19:52.42`	`Lee__`	`too tired...must go...home...`
`19:52.46`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: yes i like her miniskirt`
`19:52.50`	`drac`	`/lastlog lol is just awful.`
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`19:53.07`	`jkaufman`	`wait the nick being ttick or lol?`
`19:53.13`	`lol`	`:O`
`19:53.24`	`lol`	`stew what do i do with them once they're on my laptop?`
`19:53.25`	`jkaufman`	`damn it stop laughing!`
`19:53.35`	`PeterB`	`drac: Try /whois lol ...`
`19:53.40`	`lol`	`oh its a .deb`
`19:53.43`	`Hamled`	`I'm compiling something in gcc, and it's including libz.a as a library, however gcc is saying "file not recognized: File format not recognized"`
`19:53.47`	`drac`	`PeterB: lol :)`
`19:53.55`	`stew`	`lol: dpkg -i ipw2200-source-xxx.deb; m-a a-i ipw2200`
`19:53.59`	`tarzeau`	`PeterB: a wonder the hostname doesn't contain lol`
`19:54.04`	`Hamled`	`file says that libz.a is "curent ar archive'`
`19:54.07`	`stew`	`lol: that will require kernel-headers for you running kernel`
`19:54.13`	`lol`	`ok`
`19:54.31`	`PeterB`	`!nikometer lol`
`19:54.32`	`dpkg`	`lol has a Nike rating of Ticked off`
`19:54.39`	`lol`	`oh also`
`19:54.49`	`lol`	`how do i install fakeroot`
`19:54.55`	`lol`	`i don't know what it is but it seems everything needs it`
`19:54.56`	`CapoeiraB`	`I've been looking, and I don't see anything in BTS on my error. :(`
`19:54.59`	`covux`	`lol: you can download standard required kernel-headers with "m-a prepare"`
`19:55.10`	`tarzeau`	`lol: apt-get install fakreoot ?`
`19:55.14`	`lol`	`didnt work`
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`19:55.21`	`Hamled`	`apt-cache search fakeroot?`
`19:55.22`	`lol`	`couldn't find package`
`19:55.23`	`tarzeau`	`!doesn't work`
`19:55.23`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
`19:55.32`	`tarzeau`	`lol: do you have debian?`
`19:55.35`	`lol`	`came up with nothing, hamled`
`19:55.37`	`lol`	`lol yes`
`19:55.40`	`Hamled`	`lol Google?`
`19:55.44`	`tarzeau`	`lol: which debian?`
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`19:55.49`	`lol`	`i've been googling for hours`
`19:55.58`	`lol`	`2.4.27-2-386`
`19:56.00`	`Gnea`	`that's it?`
`19:56.03`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`19:56.03`	`Hamled`	`http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/fakeroot`
`19:56.05`	`lol`	`i'll brb gona try what stew said`
`19:56.09`	`Hamled`	`clearly there's a package named fakeroot`
`19:56.15`	`greycat`	`arc1:~$ grep NET_RADIO /boot/config-2.4.27-2-686`
`19:56.15`	`greycat`	`CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y`
`19:56.17`	`cr3`	`how can I determine to which pkg a file corresponds to?`
`19:56.21`	`greycat`	`cr3: man dpkg`
`19:56.29`	`Blissex`	`cr3: or 'dlocate'`
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`19:57.23`	`Hamled`	`I'm compiling something in gcc, and it's including libz.a as a library, however gcc is saying "file not recognized: File format not recognized"; file says that libz.a is "current ar archive"`
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`19:57.49`	`greycat`	`how did you build this libz.a file?`
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`19:57.56`	`greycat`	`what command are you using to link with it?`
`19:57.59`	`Hamled`	`I didn't build it`
`19:58.03`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh goofy mit hostnames`
`19:58.18`	`FieldySnuts`	`such as f*ck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu (go on look it up) s/`
`19:58.23`	`FieldySnuts`	`*/u/`
`19:58.24`	`Outlaw84`	`My harddrive is about to crash and I an looking for some back-up tool for my Debian installtion`
`19:58.25`	`FieldySnuts`	`oh damnit`
`19:58.36`	`tarzeau`	`FieldySnuts: they used to allow zone transfers`
`19:58.40`	`FieldySnuts`	`~lart this keyboards goofy \ location`
`19:58.43`	`Hamled`	`g++ -shared -nostdlib /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../../../lib/crti.o /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/3.4.5/crtbeginS.o .libs/amx.o .libs/amxxfile.o .libs/CAmx.o .libs/CScriptAMX.o .libs/metaeng.o -L/root/src/sourcemod/sourcemod/core/metaeng_amx/zlib -lz -L/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/3.4.5 -L/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../../../lib -L/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../.. -L/lib/../lib -L/usr/lib/../lib -lstdc++ -l`
`19:58.43`	`Hamled`	`m -lc -lgcc_s /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/3.4.5/crtendS.o /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../../../lib/crtn.o -Wl,-soname -Wl,libmetaeng_amx.so.0 -o .libs/libmetaeng_amx.so.0.0.0`
`19:58.52`	`FieldySnuts`	`Hamled: please stop that`
`19:58.57`	`tarzeau`	`FieldySnuts: i've got a copy, 1,3mb gzipped output ;)`
`19:59.00`	`Hamled`	`sorry, I thought it'd be less than that :9`
`19:59.08`	`FieldySnuts`	`tarzeau: heh! i want it`
`19:59.15`	`covux`	`Hamled: paste in #flood`
`19:59.15`	`tarzeau`	`FieldySnuts: www.linuks.mine.nu/dns/`
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`19:59.27`	`Hamled`	`that's really all there is to it`
`19:59.29`	`cr3`	`greycat: for some reason, I removed gdm (apt-get remove gdm) and /etc/init.d/gdm is still there. So, I made sure the file was part of the right package (dpkg -S /etc/init.d/gdm) and it is indeed part of gdm. what could be the problem, I haven't modified the file?`
`19:59.34`	`tarzeau`	`FieldySnuts: we've got about the same size, twice as much hosts at ethz.ch`
`19:59.49`	`LSorensen`	`: what a lovely g++ command line. what does that tell anyone?`
`19:59.49`	`greycat`	`cr3: you didn't --purge`
`20:00.04`	`Hamled`	`LSorensen, he wanted to see what command I was using`
`20:00.15`	`FieldySnuts`	`~use Hamled`
`20:00.19`	`tarzeau`	`LSorensen: tells me C++ really sucks`
`20:00.21`	`FieldySnuts`	`:x`
`20:00.25`	`greycat`	`Hamled: that's a hell of a thing you're typing in.`
`20:00.31`	`tarzeau`	`LSorensen: and gnustep make is so beautiful`
`20:00.32`	`Hamled`	`greycat, well it's obviously from a make file`
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`20:00.53`	`LSorensen`	`tarzeau: isn't gnustep objc?`
`20:00.59`	`tarzeau`	`LSorensen: yeah`
`20:01.02`	`greycat`	`I doubt it's from a makefile. It looks like it's from libtool.`
`20:01.07`	`LSorensen`	`tarzeau: hardly a fair comparison then :)`
`20:01.12`	`Hamled`	`ok, it's from a make file from libtool`
`20:01.25`	`tarzeau`	`LSorensen: why is comparing one object oriented language to another not fair?`
`20:01.28`	`Hamled`	`sorry about missing the distinction`
`20:01.44`	`Outlaw84`	`does anyone of you know a good back-up tools for debain?`
`20:01.48`	`LSorensen`	`tarzeau: objc is a clean superset of c. c++ is a hack.`
`20:01.48`	`Outlaw84`	`debian`
`20:01.51`	`greycat`	`anyway, if libtool built a bogus libz.a and then can't link it, then libtool is broken. contrariwise, if YOUR MAKEFILE built a libz.a without using libtool and then expected libtool to link with it, your makefile is broken.`
`20:01.58`	`FieldySnuts`	`wow they even had/have HINFO records`
`20:02.02`	`fatal_`	`Outlaw84: tar`
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`20:02.15`	`tarzeau`	`LSorensen: nice to hear the truth`
`20:02.25`	`Hamled`	`greycat, so, ok, the point here is that the libz.a is broken?`
`20:02.34`	`LSorensen`	`tarzeau: and I can't actually write objc myself, but it sure looks nicer`
`20:02.49`	`LSorensen`	`tarzeau: many mac os x programs are of course objc`
`20:03.00`	`axl`	`was azureus taken out of the debian package system?`
`20:03.16`	`tarzeau`	`LSorensen: have you seen this? http://www.jaez.net/clang/clang.html#1983b`
`20:03.26`	`tarzeau`	`LSorensen: yeah, but much more exist on NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP`
`20:03.30`	`FieldySnuts`	`hopefully`
`20:03.50`	`Hamled`	`greycat, libz.a was not build during this build process, it was already built with the sourcecode so I'm not sure how it was built`
`20:04.33`	`greycat`	`Hamled: libtool wants libtool libraries, not normal ar(1) libraries.`
`20:04.40`	`Hamled`	`ok`
`20:04.50`	`Hamled`	`I'll see if I can find the author`
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`20:04.55`	`greycat`	`unfortunately you're well beyond the scope of #debian. ##c might know.`
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`20:05.21`	`axl`	`any know if azureus taken out of the debian package system?`
`20:05.30`	`axl`	`*was taken`
`20:05.31`	`tarzeau`	`axl: was it ever in?`
`20:05.43`	`Hamled`	`it's still in there`
`20:05.49`	`Hamled`	`according to my cache`
`20:05.50`	`greycat`	`!find azureus sid`
`20:05.52`	`dpkg`	`azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4659 kB, Installed size: 5284 kB`
`20:05.59`	`greycat`	`contrib. note that.`
`20:05.59`	`axl`	`why can't I find it then`
`20:06.07`	`FieldySnuts`	`user error?`
`20:06.12`	`tarzeau`	`axl: no more contrib in your sources.list ?`
`20:06.13`	`greycat`	`probably because (a) you don't have contrib, or (b) you don't have sid`
`20:06.25`	`axl`	`apt-cache finds nothing and either can aptitude`
`20:06.26`	`Adam-_`	`err.. hi there.. I was taking a look at some notes.. and I can't understand why in Unix/Linux every process is started using a fork()... fork() creates an exact copy of the calling process.. there's something I'm missing cause it doesn't make sense to load an executable from the shell.. and a copy of the shell is created`
`20:06.32`	`axl`	`well I just installed debian`
`20:06.36`	`FieldySnuts`	`tarzeau: HEH MASTICATED-NEO-BOHEMIAN-CTHULOID.MIT.EDU.CNAMEGREASY-KUMQUAT.MIT.EDU.`
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`20:07.00`	`axl`	`first time...I'm trying it as a change from gentoo`
`20:07.13`	`lol`	`i just installed ipw2200-source* blah`
`20:07.16`	`lol`	`now what do i do?`
`20:07.20`	`tarzeau`	`axl: check man sources.list`
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`20:07.34`	`lol`	`iwconfig still says no wireless extensions`
`20:08.07`	`lol`	`:o`
`20:08.14`	`covux`	`lol: you installed source. now you first have to compile the driver`
`20:08.24`	`fatal_`	`lol: you need the firmware for your ipw2200 device ... download from intel (see http://ipw2200.sf.net)`
`20:08.31`	`lol`	`oh goody another cd`
`20:08.32`	`madclicker`	`how do i change lilo to grub?`
`20:08.33`	`axl`	`what am I supposed to be looking for in the sources.list man page?`
`20:08.40`	`greycat`	`madclicker: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README*`
`20:08.47`	`greycat`	`(after installing grub)`
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`20:09.04`	`omry`	`I installed libapache2-mod-php4, restarted apache2, and apache does not seem to handle php files still. any idea what I missed`
`20:09.16`	`greycat`	`axl: second hit on "contrib"`
`20:09.16`	`fatal_`	`omry: a2enmod php4`
`20:09.20`	`lol`	`ok i got the firmware`
`20:09.22`	`lol`	`after i install that`
`20:09.23`	`emurz`	`omry: ma kore :]`
`20:09.23`	`lol`	`what do i do?`
`20:09.30`	`fatal_`	`omry: invoke-rc.d apache2 restart`
`20:09.36`	`mops`	`how can I configure what window manager to run when I log in throught xdm?`
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`20:09.45`	`greycat`	`mops: .xsession`
`20:09.52`	`*** part/#debian eguzkia (n=Luca@h213-213-32-98.rm2.albacom.net)`
`20:10.01`	`mops`	`greycat: bash script?`
`20:10.15`	`lol`	`hm`
`20:10.18`	`lol`	`i have one blank cd left`
`20:10.18`	`tarzeau`	`madclicker: it's really easy`
`20:10.26`	`mz_work`	`axl: add a source to your sources.list file like: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free`
`20:10.27`	`lol`	`is there anything else i might need that i should burn on it?`
`20:10.28`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: they always cry "OPEN THE DOOR"`
`20:10.31`	`greycat`	`mops: /bin/sh script`
`20:10.32`	`*** join/#debian KungFu (n=gernot@p54994D65.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`20:10.34`	`KungFu`	`hi`
`20:10.35`	`mops`	`ok`
`20:10.36`	`lol`	`please tell me, anything i might need`
`20:10.36`	`mops`	`hi`
`20:10.37`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: because they want the door open`
`20:10.41`	`lol`	`i don't want to run out of cds ;/`
`20:10.42`	`madclicker`	`greycat:thx, grub-install`
`20:10.44`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i would've found it more amusing if they cried "OPEN THE WINDOWS"`
`20:10.49`	`omry`	`fatal_, thanks.`
`20:10.51`	`stew`	`lol: build-essential, module-assistant kernel-headers`
`20:10.57`	`omry`	`emurz, do I know you?`
`20:10.59`	`KungFu`	`I wanna make an iso from a CD. I tried readcd, but it makes a 0b file`
`20:11.01`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: you need to watch Defcon 4 .. then just try to complain about resident evil`
`20:11.01`	`mz_work`	`axl: see http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/ for a mirror near you or try apt-spy`
`20:11.03`	`lol`	`i have module-assistant and kernel-headers`
`20:11.03`	`stew`	`lol: and all of their dependencies`
`20:11.06`	`lol`	`i dont know if i ahve build-essential`
`20:11.09`	`lol`	`how can i check?`
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`20:11.23`	`abrotman`	`apt-get install build-essential`
`20:11.26`	`stew`	`dpkg -l build-essential, the first two chars should be ii`
`20:11.27`	`dpkg`	`No packages found matching build-essential, the first two chars should be ii`
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`20:11.35`	`lol`	`nvm there we go`
`20:11.37`	`lol`	`it just installed it`
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`20:11.43`	`KungFu`	`readcd dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 f=crash1.iso`
`20:11.48`	`lol`	`ok so all i need now`
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`20:11.51`	`lol`	`is the 2200 firmware, right?`
`20:11.57`	`axl`	`ahhh this really sucks....I can't push down when I am in console :S`
`20:12.00`	`KungFu`	`readcd: Input/output error. Error on sector 12 not corrected`
`20:12.02`	`axl`	`i just beeps at me :S`
`20:12.09`	`greycat`	`KungFu: ATAPI: is deprecated; consider using ATA: instead. but try both, because sometimes ATAPI: may work better..`
`20:12.39`	`omry`	`fatal_, after doing it apache still not handle php.`
`20:12.42`	`KungFu`	`eadcd -scanbus -dev=ATA`
`20:12.42`	`KungFu`	`Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.`
`20:12.48`	`Wonker`	`I come to ask my daily question :) Anyone know where libfam0, libfam0c102 and libgamin0 are going in unstable? The conflicts currently sink some libs...`
`20:12.50`	`lol`	`and yes the first two chars are ii now`
`20:12.51`	`greycat`	`KungFu: as root.`
`20:12.56`	`KungFu`	`doh!`
`20:13.07`	`greycat`	`KungFu: or just use the same numbers you got for ATAPI: but remove the "PI"`
`20:13.13`	`greycat`	`the -scanbus may not work properly`
`20:13.17`	`greycat`	`welcome to linux 2.6`
`20:13.20`	`lol`	`stew, so i install the firmware and what will that do? do i just run that and itll help me configure the wireless stuffs?`
`20:13.22`	`greycat`	`home of the gratuitous changes`
`20:13.29`	`KungFu`	`must I be root to use eradcd?`
`20:13.38`	`greycat`	`try both ways.`
`20:13.39`	`KungFu`	`s/erad/read`
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`20:13.43`	`tarzeau`	`greycat: oh i didn't know.`
`20:13.45`	`covux`	`lol: now type "m-a a-i ipw2200" this will build and install the driver module`
`20:13.56`	`tarzeau`	`greycat: i've used ATAPI on 2.4.31 and it worked fine`
`20:14.02`	`greycat`	`tarzeau: what do I know... I still use 2.4.x.`
`20:14.07`	`lol`	`hang on i've gotta install the firmware`
`20:14.07`	`greycat`	`tarzeau: and ide-scsi`
`20:14.14`	`lol`	`i do that after i install the firmware right?`
`20:14.26`	`greycat`	`tarzeau: I have no clue what the state of ATAPI: and ATA: in 2.4.x is.`
`20:14.28`	`tarzeau`	`greycat: i stopped using ide-scsi`
`20:14.48`	`stew`	`lol: put the firmware in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and the firware gets loaded whenever the driver gets loaded. m-a a-i will build and install the ipw2200 driver, then modprobe ipw2200 should insert it into the kernel at which point it should show up in iwconfig and you can configure it there.`
`20:14.55`	`KungFu`	`hmmm. it's /dev/hdd - can I use that?`
`20:14.58`	`stew`	`does anyone even know if ipw2200 builds against 2.4 cleanly?`
`20:15.01`	`stew`	`cuz i don't`
`20:15.01`	`greycat`	`maybe some time around linux 2.8.26 it'll be stable.`
`20:15.02`	`lol`	`ok`
`20:15.12`	`greycat`	`stew: /msg dpkg ipw2200`
`20:15.23`	`ilan`	`im attempting to build debian-installer cds and it wants to download "counterychooser" which depends on "cdebconf"... installing cdebconf would require uninstalling everything else on my system. any suggestions?`
`20:15.28`	`lol`	`is there a specific way i need to use iwconfig?`
`20:15.32`	`stew`	`greycat: yeah, i have, doesn't answer my question though`
`20:15.40`	`tarzeau`	`greycat: you think that's ever going into debian?`
`20:15.45`	`greycat`	`it tells you "for help try #ipw2100", no?`
`20:15.49`	`stew`	`ahh`
`20:15.56`	`KungFu`	`is this output OK? .............~~-~~~+~~~-~~~+~~~-`
`20:15.57`	`greycat`	`tarzeau: no idea. I don't follow wireless.`
`20:16.17`	`stew`	`lol: you should make sure ipw2200 will build on 2.4.27, otherwise you would need to get 2.6 and the corresponding headers and module-init-tools`
`20:16.30`	`*** join/#debian bartden (n=wsb@dD5E0AE16.access.telenet.be)`
`20:16.39`	`lol`	`how do i untar a .gz`
`20:16.43`	`*** join/#debian toxx (n=toxx@p548D510A.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`20:16.47`	`lol`	`i cant remember`
`20:16.48`	`tarzeau`	`lol: gunzip`
`20:16.51`	`lol`	`oh yeah`
`20:16.57`	`ufoalien`	`omg`
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`20:17.00`	`ufoalien`	`:)`
`20:17.12`	`KungFu`	`how to make an iso from a CD (playstation)`
`20:17.29`	`tarzeau`	`KungFu: readcd dev=0,0,0 -f=the.iso -v ?`
`20:17.32`	`lol`	`wait`
`20:17.33`	`ufoalien`	`don't know if mkisofs can handle tat`
`20:17.34`	`lol`	`then theres no extension`
`20:17.35`	`tarzeau`	`ufoalien: nether earth?`
`20:17.37`	`lol`	`what do i do with it after that`
`20:17.40`	`lol`	`;o`
`20:17.50`	`tarzeau`	`ufoalien: won't the aduio tracks be missing?`
`20:17.54`	`bartden`	`hi, i just installed debian with 2.6 , install went fine, but when i boot my first time i get this error and boot just freezes, "I810_audio: can't be loaded missing kernel or use mode driver i810_audio"`
`20:17.54`	`lol`	`nvm`
`20:17.55`	`lol`	`there`
`20:17.55`	`lol`	`lol`
`20:17.59`	`lol`	`it didnt work the first time`
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`20:18.09`	`ufoalien`	`tarzeau: never tried, don't have any playstation`
`20:18.13`	`greycat`	`you're allowed to type more than word per line`
`20:18.42`	`ufoalien`	`tarzeau: ok, and about nether earth? i think you'll be on the next meet, because i had a little problem with it, i'll show you there`
`20:18.53`	`*** join/#debian fusero_ppc (n=topota@185.Red-80-36-92.pooles.rima-tde.net)`
`20:19.00`	`stew`	`lol: does this machine really not have a ethernet cable that you could be using instead of using cd-rom-net?`
`20:19.34`	`tarzeau`	`ufoalien: i doubt i'll be sober enough to look at it at the meet, can't you put it online? webserver directory listing's fine`
`20:19.45`	`tarzeau`	`ufoalien: i can't test opengl software though`
`20:19.58`	`lol`	`stew, i have one but it's connected to this computer`
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`20:20.09`	`ufoalien`	`tarzeau: ok, i'll put it on my webserver tomorrow`
`20:20.10`	`axl`	`so who wants to tell me what contrib is....and what is sid`
`20:20.12`	`lol`	`i kinda need this comp on so i can be doing things heh`
`20:20.13`	`tarzeau`	`lol: are you a gnaagent?`
`20:20.18`	`lol`	`har.`
`20:20.42`	`p8m-work`	`axl: ask dpkg`
`20:20.52`	`axl`	`how?`
`20:21.15`	`p8m-work`	`axl: "/msg dpkg sid"`
`20:21.20`	`lol`	`stew where do i run m-a a-i`
`20:21.21`	`lol`	`?`
`20:21.43`	`abrotman`	`on your computer`
`20:21.50`	`Zomb`	`lol: um, as root on the console?`
`20:22.04`	`lol`	`wait`
`20:22.06`	`lol`	`hm.`
`20:22.11`	`stew`	`if i'm on a leptop i usually run m-a a-i from teh toilet`
`20:22.13`	`lol`	`oh that's why`
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`20:22.22`	`lol`	`Build of the package ipw2200-source failed! How do you wish to proceed?`
`20:22.24`	`*** join/#debian Soeki (i=who@200.44.238.247)`
`20:22.40`	`Zomb`	`lol: because of...? no non-free in sources.list?`
`20:22.43`	`tarzeau`	`lol: you got 2.4 or 2.6?`
`20:22.54`	`bartden`	`hi, i just installed debian with 2.6 , install went fine, but when i boot my first time i get this error and boot just freezes, "I810_audio: can't be loaded missing kernel or use mode driver i810_audio"`
`20:22.56`	`lol`	`2.4`
`20:23.01`	`*** join/#debian OsRo (n=osro@80-28-28-38.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net)`
`20:23.01`	`tarzeau`	`lol: 2.4.31 ?`
`20:23.03`	`axl`	`so how would I get sid if I wanted it?`
`20:23.04`	`lol`	`no`
`20:23.07`	`Zomb`	`lol: m-a tells you why. Read it.`
`20:23.09`	`lol`	`2.4.27-2-386`
`20:23.12`	`omry`	`j #php`
`20:23.15`	`tarzeau`	`lol: where you got the ipw2200-source one from?`
`20:23.27`	`tarzeau`	`lol: if you stfu for today, i'll build you a binary package`
`20:23.41`	`lol`	`:O`
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`20:23.48`	`lol`	`i got it from the site that stew pasted`
`20:24.16`	`axl`	`and why would sid have azureus but the stable version not?`
`20:24.48`	`tarzeau`	`axl: read the debian faq`
`20:24.50`	`tarzeau`	`!faq`
`20:24.50`	`dpkg`	`The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`20:24.51`	`Zomb`	`axl: because of... causality?`
`20:24.51`	`lol`	`at the end of the log file it says "Leaving directory /usr/src/modules/ipw2200" "make: *** [kdist_build] Error 2"`
`20:25.01`	`tarzeau`	`damn that's the #debian faq, not the debian faq`
`20:25.17`	`greycat`	`link to it from your wiki :)`
`20:25.19`	`*** join/#debian brussow_ (n=brussow@207.179.79.162)`
`20:25.26`	`greycat`	`make them go through your wiki to get to it`
`20:25.34`	`*** join/#debian PeterB (n=me@80.232.210.253)`
`20:25.39`	`lol`	`and modprobe says it can't locate module ipw2200`
`20:25.48`	`lol`	`so therefore= it's failing because why heh`
`20:25.55`	`tarzeau`	`greycat: i'd rather hijack them to www.gnustep.org ;)`
`20:25.57`	`*** join/#debian Everton (n=oeverton@200-232-236-146.dsl.telesp.net.br)`
`20:25.59`	`stew`	`!info azureus stable`
`20:26.00`	`dpkg`	`azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.2.0.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4981 kB, Installed size: 5960 kB`
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`20:26.05`	`greycat`	`lol: hey, here's an idea... why don't you READ the LOG FILE and ses?`
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`20:26.09`	`greycat`	`see, even.`
`20:26.19`	`lol`	`i just read the log file`
`20:26.23`	`lol`	`and i just pasted what it said`
`20:26.33`	`Everton`	`could someone help me installing NVidia GeForce MX440 8X Drivers?`
`20:26.35`	`Zomb`	`lol: you are using Sarge?`
`20:26.40`	`lol`	`yeah`
`20:26.42`	`stew`	`axl: it appears to be in stable`
`20:26.45`	`greycat`	`you didn't paste anything USEFUL, god damn it.`
`20:26.46`	`stew`	`stupid lag...`
`20:26.51`	`lol`	`well what the hell do i paste`
`20:26.54`	`Zomb`	`lol: did you use the ipw2200-source packge from Sarge?`
`20:26.54`	`lol`	`it's quite a large log file`
`20:26.59`	`greycat`	`why do people who don't know JACK SHIT buy crappy wireless hardware and then try to fucking build KERNEL DRIVERS?`
`20:27.01`	`lol`	`i used the one that stew pasted`
`20:27.05`	`axl`	`stew: is it because I don't have that contrib thing?`
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`20:27.11`	`greycat`	`can't even manage to learn "The first error is the one that counts."`
`20:27.13`	`stew`	`axl: probably`
`20:27.14`	`greycat`	`!unix lessons`
`20:27.14`	`dpkg`	`i heard unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be`
`20:27.14`	`Zomb`	`greycat: stop using the F word. ipw2200 works well enough.`
`20:27.21`	`lol`	`sec`
`20:27.23`	`greycat`	`Zomb: you deal with him.`
`20:27.30`	`abrotman`	`greycat: (12) Warnings don't count ?`
`20:27.31`	`Zomb`	`greycat: ok`
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`20:27.35`	`stew`	`Zomb: fuck`
`20:27.40`	`greycat`	`I have a new policy. Anyone with "lol" in their nick is automatically /ignore'd.`
`20:27.48`	`axl`	`stew: explain to me how to do that`
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`20:27.55`	`lol`	`oops`
`20:27.55`	`stew`	`axl: /msg dpkg contrib`
`20:27.56`	`axl`	`stew: please :D`
`20:28.02`	`lol`	`Versions v1.0.4 and newer: v1.0.4-current firmware`
`20:28.02`	`Zomb`	`stew: really? Where?`
`20:28.04`	`lol`	`that's the firmware i have`
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`20:28.13`	`greycat`	`I'll have to work out how to enforce this policy without accidentally hitting something that's not "lol" as a separate token. Probably manually.`
`20:28.17`	`lol`	`2005-Jul-13 ipw2200-1.0.6.tgz`
`20:28.21`	`lol`	`that's the ipw2200 one i have`
`20:28.26`	`Zomb`	`lol: why don't you use the Sarge version?`
`20:28.30`	`lol`	`where is it?`
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`20:28.33`	`abrotman`	`!ipw2100`
`20:28.33`	`dpkg`	`methinks ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net.`
`20:28.37`	*** part/#debian Spike`Sp (n=spike@d83-177-225-214.cust.tele2.fr)
`20:28.38`	`lol`	`i don't see a sarge version listed on there`
`20:28.39`	`abrotman`	`!ipw2200`
`20:28.39`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, ipw2200 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net.`
`20:28.40`	`Zomb`	`lol: he? in Sarge, non-free section?`
`20:28.45`	`stew`	`lol: you downloaded the one for unstable, not for stable`
`20:28.59`	`lol`	`oh`
`20:29.01`	`lol`	`which one is stable`
`20:29.14`	`Zomb`	`lol: jeez. apt-cache policy ipw2200-source`
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`20:29.21`	`stew`	`lol: the one that says <a href=...>stable</a>`
`20:29.28`	`wannabe`	`whee, I missed irc`
`20:29.35`	`stew`	`Zomb: he's not on a network`
`20:29.38`	`wannabe`	`5 months gone, just got my inet conn again`
`20:29.46`	`lol`	`there's only one that says stable?`
`20:29.46`	`greycat`	`stew: then that's his SECOND mistake.`
`20:29.49`	`lol`	`http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ipw2200/ipw2200-1.0.0.tgz?download`
`20:29.52`	`greycat`	`the first was buying proprietary wireless crap`
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`20:30.21`	`jc-denton`	`when will alioth work again?`
`20:30.30`	`stew`	`lol: if you would just network your machine, this would all be easier, like you could have just done "apt-get install ipw2200-source" and it would have gotten the right one`
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`20:30.36`	`lol`	`k`
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`20:30.52`	`lol`	`so after i run that what do i do`
`20:31.00`	`lol`	`can i just load it?`
`20:31.04`	`stew`	`m-a a-i ipw2200`
`20:31.09`	`lol`	`and then modprobe?`
`20:31.19`	`Zomb`	`lol: http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/debian/pool/contrib/i/ipw2200/`
`20:31.26`	`Zomb`	`lol: get the _oldest_ package there`
`20:31.33`	`Zomb`	`lol: then go to the sourceforce side`
`20:31.37`	`Zomb`	`lol: get the firmware for it`
`20:31.44`	`Zomb`	`or get all recent versions maybe, just to be sure`
`20:31.50`	`Zomb`	`I don't remember which one is to use`
`20:31.57`	`lol`	`then i do the m-a a-i ipw2200 thing`
`20:31.59`	`lol`	`and then modprobe?`
`20:32.05`	`Zomb`	`then install the mentioned oldest -source.deb with dpkg -i`
`20:32.11`	`Zomb`	`then use m-a a-i ipw2200`
`20:32.43`	`lol`	`k i'll go try that`
`20:32.49`	`Zomb`	`lol: yes, modprobe. You need hotplug for that`
`20:33.00`	`Zomb`	`to load the firmware when requested`
`20:33.02`	`lol`	`k i'll be back after i try that`
`20:33.04`	`lol`	`brb`
`20:33.50`	`axl`	`anyone know the KDE program to unzip files and stuff`
`20:33.57`	`axl`	`it's graphical`
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`20:34.10`	`greycat`	`why not ask a kde channel?`
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`20:34.22`	`sporkbomb`	`There has been a lot more hand-holding in this channel these days...is there something wrong?`
`20:34.34`	`axl`	`i thought somrone would know offhand`
`20:34.40`	`greycat`	`sporkbomb: there's always something wrong here.`
`20:34.46`	`sporkbomb`	`hehe`
`20:34.52`	`sporkbomb`	`true that`
`20:34.53`	`greycat`	`the trick is to survive it`
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`20:35.05`	`sporkbomb`	`greycat: do you know what I mean though?`
`20:35.21`	`sporkbomb`	`I miss all the mean people`
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`20:35.24`	`greycat`	`sporkbomb: every once in a while some new helper comes along and is all gung-ho and enthusiastic... they'll learn.`
`20:35.31`	`sporkbomb`	`hehe`
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`20:35.45`	`sporkbomb`	`lack of patience is the key, I guess`
`20:36.05`	`greycat`	`probably about the 17th time Zomb helps some newbie manually download files for Yet Another Broken Proprietary Wireless Chipset That They Should Never Have Purchased In The First Place, he'll snap.`
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`20:36.27`	`sporkbomb`	`I'll put money on that`
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`20:37.19`	`Gnea`	`awww man`
`20:37.23`	`Zomb`	`greycat: I doubt I have been 17 times in this channel ever`
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`20:37.29`	`Gnea`	`sold out of debian cd's :P`
`20:37.41`	`emurz`	`I tried to search for the process of amsn with killall but I couldn't`
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`20:37.47`	`greycat`	`Zomb: that would explain it.`
`20:38.18`	`Zomb`	`greycat: well, OTOH you sound like someone having been too long here, sorry`
`20:38.29`	`greycat`	`some of our FAQs are so F that they're worn down to 4 keystrokes, like !b-e`
`20:38.39`	`sporkbomb`	`emurz: why would you "search for the process of amsn with killall" for?`
`20:38.47`	`emurz`	`I want to kill it =/`
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`20:38.49`	`emurz`	`it's freezed`
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`20:39.06`	`greycat`	`I think if just one newbie ever came along and said "I read the FAQ in the /topic and i don't understand this part...." I'd die of shock.`
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`20:39.11`	`madclicker`	`greycat: is there a way to get the the tiny penguins in framebuffer mode to comeup in sarger?`
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`20:39.23`	`streuner`	`greycat: haha`
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`20:39.57`	`vorpal`	`q about apt-proxy... i was expecting to see /var/cache/apt-proxy populated with debs after clients are serviced by my apt-proxy, but there is nothing in there. any idea where apt-proxy could be stowing debs?`
`20:39.58`	`jesperj`	`when I try to load xmame and a rom like "xmame game.zip" I get ERROR: required files are missing, the game cannot be run.`
`20:40.06`	`stew`	`hey, at least my broken proprietary chipset that shouldn't have been purchased was free!`
`20:40.22`	`Zomb`	`greycat: I am a regular on #debian.de here and in IRCnet and the situation looks very similar there. But sometimes they thank us, so I would keep the hope.`
`20:40.23`	`stew`	`like buy an expensive laptop and get a broken proprietary chipset for free :)`
`20:40.35`	`Zomb`	`vorpal: apt-proxy sucks. Use apt-cacher.`
`20:40.36`	`tchino`	`hello my server starts only with a read-only filesystem since the last boot, what is wrong`
`20:40.41`	`equex`	`jesperj: are you sure you have all the zip archives for the game in the correct folder?`
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`20:40.45`	`lol725`	`well that was fun`
`20:40.56`	`greycat`	`tchino: fsck it manually`
`20:41.00`	`lol725`	`it didn't recognize the ethernet i guess`
`20:41.08`	`lol725`	`i rebooted and nothing`
`20:41.11`	`vorpal`	`Zomb, i will check it out, thanks for the suggestion`
`20:41.15`	`lol725`	`what do i need to do for it to recognize it?`
`20:41.34`	`Wonker`	`!famo0`
`20:41.37`	`Wonker`	`!fam0`
`20:41.39`	`greycat`	`random numbers. great. that'll be 10 more entries in the ignore list then.`
`20:41.43`	`Wonker`	`!libfam0`
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`20:41.53`	`jesperj`	`equex, I just installed xmame some hour ago. I unzipped the game and copied it to /usr/share/games/xame/roms`
`20:41.56`	`greycat`	`oh wait, I can probably use lol[0-9]*`
`20:42.02`	`tchino`	`greycat: and then reboot`
`20:42.07`	`jesperj`	`equex, can I pm you?`
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`20:42.22`	`Fluten`	`can i use ppp to link 2 modems together? or is it only for dialing into an isp?`
`20:42.27`	`i0Nz`	`how many packages does debian have?`
`20:42.37`	`d3fx`	`brb`
`20:42.42`	`Wonker`	`more then 3`
`20:42.50`	`RedWork-`	`i0Nz, more than 4 even`
`20:42.50`	`pirre`	`...and less than 1 zillion`
`20:42.53`	`i0Nz`	`13,000?`
`20:42.54`	`greycat`	`!dstats`
`20:42.55`	`streuner`	`i0Nz: about 15.000`
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`20:43.02`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17164 packages, 1576 maintainers, 34217 MB installed size, 10998 MB compressed size.`
`20:43.04`	`i0Nz`	`more than freebsd?`
`20:43.15`	`b1tbkt`	`hopefully not too OT but this should be simple...trying to 'ssh -D8080 remotehost' and am getting "address already in use". of course, there isn't anything running locally on 8080 yet it complains...ideas?`
`20:43.15`	`streuner`	`i0Nz: oh, i was wrong :-)`
`20:43.26`	`greycat`	`i0Nz: not a fair comparison because *BSD uses a huge base system that doesn't get counted.`
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`20:43.34`	`greycat`	`debian's "base system" is several hundred pacakges`
`20:43.50`	`tchino`	`greycat: the same happens, has i do fsck with /dev/hda5 too`
`20:43.53`	`i0Nz`	`17000? packages?`
`20:43.59`	`streuner`	`i0Nz: yes`
`20:44.00`	`greycat`	`!overfiendsphallus`
`20:44.00`	`dpkg`	`Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks.`
`20:44.11`	`Wonker`	`somedays I think about 1/4 of debian packages are ones referred to by another package but ....`
`20:44.28`	`madclicker`	`is there a way to get the the tiny penguins in framebuffer mode to comeup at the login?`
`20:44.32`	`pirre`	`Wonker: unimportant library packages, you mean? :)`
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`20:44.46`	`streuner`	`i0Nz: Linux grew up in a way nobody expected 12 years ago...`
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`20:44.50`	`tchino`	`greycat: /dev/hda5 is root-system`
`20:45.03`	`JohnnyST`	`madclicker: Yes there is.`
`20:45.10`	`greycat`	`tchino: if it comes back clean on fsck, then I don't know. check your boot logs.`
`20:45.13`	`greycat`	`!bootlogd`
`20:45.14`	`jesperj`	`equex, do you mind if I query you about this?`
`20:45.14`	`dpkg`	`/etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg)`
`20:45.22`	`i0Nz`	`17,000? packages?`
`20:45.28`	`Wonker`	`pirre: Yeah, those ones. I mean, who needs 'em, right?`
`20:45.35`	`madclicker`	`JohnnyST: do inform me`
`20:45.38`	`pirre`	`Wonker: I'm with you, man`
`20:45.39`	`greycat`	`of course there may not BE a written boot log if you can't get the root file system rw, so Shift-Pageup may be required.`
`20:45.40`	`streuner`	`i0Nz: are you a bot?`
`20:45.47`	`sporkbomb`	`I think so`
`20:45.52`	`sporkbomb`	`Either that or an idiot`
`20:45.56`	`i0Nz`	`microsoft has how many packages?`
`20:45.57`	`tchino`	`greycat: i have an interrupt error from my hard-disk before`
`20:45.59`	`equex`	`jerome_: i dont have much to say exept my experience with mame from windows brings me to that you are missing files or got corrupt ROMs`
`20:46.04`	`i0Nz`	`a gajillion?`
`20:46.06`	`streuner`	`-i0Nz- VERSION irssi v0.8.9 - running on FreeBSD i386`
`20:46.07`	`greycat`	`tchino: not a good sign.`
`20:46.09`	`streuner`	`or a troll`
`20:46.11`	`greycat`	`hope your backups are recent`
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`20:46.22`	`pirre`	`<insert "what backups" joke here>`
`20:46.41`	`i0Nz`	`linux whoops ass`
`20:46.41`	`equex`	`uhm that was for jesperj`
`20:46.43`	`tchino`	`greycat: must i do fsck with /dev/hda5 too`
`20:46.53`	`greycat`	`tchino: what do you think`
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`20:46.56`	`jesperj`	`equex, ok ty`
`20:47.02`	`JohnnyST`	`madclicker: like this in the grub menu.lst file: /boot/bzImage-2.6.12.3 root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=794`
`20:47.05`	`i0Nz`	`how is bsd or solaris any better?`
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`20:47.12`	`abrotman`	`!tell i0Nz about why debian`
`20:47.13`	`tchino`	`greycat: /dev/hda1 is right`
`20:47.23`	`JohnnyST`	`madclicker: vga=794 is what you need.`
`20:47.47`	`tchino`	`greycat: /dev/hda5 is being check now`
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`20:48.45`	`madclicker`	`JohnnyST: i have that, framebuffer is working. But before on MDK9.0 i used to also get a penguin logo per CPU, which is not on Sarge.`
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`20:49.33`	`madclicker`	`JohnnyST: i put the framebuffer beside the ##kopt`
`20:50.01`	`sporkbomb`	`I didn't realize penguin logos per CPU were that important`
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`20:50.06`	`sporkbomb`	`I am so out of the loop`
`20:50.11`	`greycat`	`i0Nz: can't you find a hobby other than trolling?`
`20:50.22`	`tchino`	`greycat: many many errors under /dev/hda5`
`20:50.24`	`madclicker`	`JohnnyST: there should be small penguins on the top left corner`
`20:50.27`	`Wonker`	`was that a troll?`
`20:50.58`	`Ungy`	`windows rulez`
`20:51.05`	`Zomb`	`lame`
`20:51.35`	`JohnnyST`	`madclicker: You need to enable this in the kernel: CONFIG_FB_VESA=y and CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y and CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y and CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y and CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y and CONFIG_FONTS=y and CONFIG_FONT_8x8=y andCONFIG_FONT_8x16=y and CONFIG_LOGO=y and CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_MONO=y and CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_VGA16=y and CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_CLUT224=y thats it.`
`20:51.36`	`IgorAraujo`	`how do i change the hostname?`
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`20:51.55`	`streuner`	`IgorAraujo: man hosts, man hostname`
`20:52.10`	`madclicker`	`JohnnyST: you mean i have to recompile the kernel?`
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`20:52.32`	`JohnnyST`	`madclicker, I guess thats one way yes.`
`20:52.39`	`tchino`	`greycat: thousands of uanattached inodes`
`20:52.39`	`IgorAraujo`	`streuner thansks!`
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`20:53.04`	`aiyaiyairc`	`Downloaded i386 NETINST image from /CD/netinst.... everything seemed fine until actual install point...."Installer cannot figoue out how to install debian no installable cd was found and no valid mirror was configured"`
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`20:53.21`	`madclicker`	`JohnnyST: the standart kernel doesnt have it?`
`20:53.28`	`aiyaiyairc`	`network hard setup went fine`
`20:53.35`	`aiyaiyairc`	`s hard/hardware`
`20:53.51`	`JohnnyST`	`madclicker: I do not think so.`
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`20:54.27`	`tchino`	`how can force to reboot my system without a read-only filesystem`
`20:54.35`	`bujin`	`hello`
`20:54.43`	`bujin`	`how can i configure my wireless conection`
`20:54.49`	`greycat`	`tchino: get fsck to come back clean.`
`20:54.53`	`madclicker`	`JohnnyST: that sux, no penguin i guess :)`
`20:55.08`	`bujin`	`i started kwifimanager but it shows me a interrogation symbol in the card`
`20:55.22`	`JohnnyST`	`madclicker, thats why I have compiled my kernel to get the penguin :)`
`20:55.42`	`tchino`	`greycat: my /dev/hda5 is broken. Can i start fsck /dev/hda5 without type in return`
`20:55.47`	`concept10`	`aiyaiyairc, did you select http of ftp?`
`20:55.55`	`JohnnyST`	`madclicker: And if you have two cpu's you get two penguin's :)`
`20:55.58`	`tchino`	`greycat: my /dev/hda5 is broken. Can i start fsck /dev/hda5 without type in return for <y>`
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`20:56.35`	`tchino`	`greycat: it must clean the errors automatically`
`20:56.40`	`lildude`	`sarge is bear to get running`
`20:56.49`	`lildude`	`should i try ubuntu instead?`
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`20:56.56`	`madclicker`	`JohnnyST: i'll just draw them on my screen. Thanks debian maintainers. buhhh`
`20:57.05`	`greycat`	`tchino: man fsck`
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`20:57.21`	`greycat`	`lildude: whatever floats your canoe`
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`20:57.38`	`aiyaiyairc`	`concept >> i did not see that option, even when going back to the main "blue screen" with setup options such as 'configure network', install base, etc`
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`20:57.41`	`lildude`	`i see its hard fro me to get debian media amybe the trouble`
`20:57.47`	`lildude`	`id like to try debian`
`20:57.58`	`aiyaiyairc`	`did a CDROM verifcation and it said not valid debian cd rom, which doesn't make sense because it booted w/it`
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`20:58.39`	`jesperj`	`lildude, i tried ubuntu and it was unstable`
`20:58.42`	`jesperj`	`might be mor estable now`
`20:58.45`	`jesperj`	`more`
`20:58.54`	`tchino`	`greycat: i found the option -a`
`20:58.54`	`jesperj`	`was some months ago`
`20:59.22`	`lildude`	`yeah if i found debian cds id give it a try`
`20:59.28`	`lildude`	`i think i dl bad media`
`20:59.44`	`liable`	`aiyaiyairc: burn it again, untill you get a good one.`
`20:59.45`	`jesperj`	`got fast internet connection?`
`20:59.48`	`liable`	`lildude: order them`
`21:00.05`	`lildude`	`free one id like`
`21:00.19`	`lildude`	`yeah fast dsl not fast enough`
`21:00.35`	`aiyaiyairc`	`liable >> even though it booted and ran network config correctly? (this is a 180mb netinst disk) ; just verifying...if so , ill just go for the whole package download this time:)`
`21:00.43`	`ma3x`	`what program other program than mplayer uses w32codecs to play dvd?`
`21:01.07`	`liable`	`aiyaiyairc: well, obviously something isnt right.`
`21:01.21`	`wannabe`	`xine?`
`21:02.12`	`tchino`	`greycat: now it comes the message run fsck manually without -a options, but i can't thousand times to type in a return for <y>`
`21:02.15`	`aiyaiyairc`	`liable >> roger that, is there aplace where I must manually configure a mirror as concept mentioned?`
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`21:02.35`	`greycat`	`-y`
`21:02.54`	`liable`	`aiyaiyairc: the installer will give you a choice what mirror you want to use.`
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`21:03.21`	`tchino`	`thanks`
`21:03.30`	`aiyaiyairc`	`liable >> lol, crap, yeah never saw it, and no option for it, i'll go reboot/ try 1 more time thanks for your help everyone`
`21:03.34`	`lildude`	`were can i dl debain that works?`
`21:03.48`	`aiyaiyairc`	`lildude >> debian.org`
`21:04.00`	`lildude`	`tried that`
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`21:04.15`	`lildude`	`any were else debian.org to slow`
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`21:04.31`	`cn`	`is there a program calc in debian?`
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`21:04.57`	`emurz`	`I got about 6GB for debian here, I don't know why, how can I free storage? I got KDE here`
`21:05.20`	`s_ward`	`cn: bc`
`21:05.41`	`lildude`	`can some one send me debain cds in file transfer`
`21:05.47`	`sporkbomb`	`lildude: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html`
`21:05.48`	`wannabe`	`yes cu, it's an emacs prog`
`21:06.21`	`s_ward`	`cn: if you want a graphical calculator, there's galculator and kcalc`
`21:06.38`	`tchino`	`nothings happens, the system starts only as read-only filesystem`
`21:06.47`	`s_ward`	`cn: both of those found using apt-cache search`
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`21:07.14`	`liable`	`lildude: dont be stupid. get them from an official mirror, just get the netinstaller`
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`21:07.16`	`cn`	`s_ward: predefined in the system no?`
`21:07.23`	`liable`	`!tell lildude about d-i`
`21:07.25`	`lildude`	`does any one got sarge and can share`
`21:07.51`	`lildude`	`netstaller wount be gui`
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`21:08.03`	`liable`	`oh jesus.`
`21:08.04`	`s_ward`	`cn: /msg dpkg installit`
`21:08.29`	`s_ward`	`cn: though there is some rudimentary integer arithmetic you can do with bash`
`21:08.44`	`s_ward`	`cn: echo $(( 1 + 1 ))`
`21:08.44`	`liable`	`lildude: what on earth leads you to believe that?`
`21:09.35`	`liable`	`lildude: no debian installer is gui, its curses based.`
`21:09.47`	`greycat`	`that reminds me, I still haven't written an ArithmeticExpressions page on wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq yet.`
`21:10.41`	`lildude`	`ok il do net install hold on`
`21:10.42`	`s_ward`	`greycat: Is there a factoid that points to that? :)`
`21:10.49`	`tchino`	`greycat: all partitions are clean, how can i force to satrt the system with a write-modus`
`21:10.50`	`greycat`	`it's linked from tarzeau's wiki`
`21:10.55`	`greycat`	`it's in /topic #bash`
`21:11.04`	`greycat`	`tchino: reboot`
`21:11.35`	`lildude`	`once i netinstall can y help me get gui`
`21:11.46`	`tchino`	`greycat: no, then it will only start with read-only system`
`21:11.51`	`greycat`	`lildude: apt-get install x-window-system-core fvwm`
`21:12.06`	`lildude`	`ok il do that once it net install`
`21:12.10`	`liable`	`lildude: all you need to do is run 'tasksel' and pick desktop`
`21:12.19`	`greycat`	`or that.`
`21:12.25`	`websdale`	`emurz:you can use the commands du & sort to produce a list of files in size order to see what takes up what`
`21:12.41`	`lildude`	`wait til i finish net install before i get text comands`
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`21:13.40`	`sporkbomb`	`lildude: why don't you log off of irc for a while so that you can read up on a debian install? www.debian.org`
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`21:15.24`	`crn`	`how do i configure sound card under debian? i guess the card was not detected during installation`
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`21:15.48`	`lildude`	`i read debian install can do it again`
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`21:16.08`	`k-man_`	`is there a way to make a regexp that matches something that stretches over 2 lines?`
`21:16.13`	`lildude`	`il be back after install`
`21:16.17`	`lildude`	`thanks all`
`21:16.24`	`sporkbomb`	`lildude: also, since you were complaining about a corrupt install disc earlier, please don't overburn your stuff`
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`21:16.47`	`wannabe`	`kinda hard to overburn a network install :P`
`21:17.29`	`mz_work`	`crn: you need alsa then use /usr/sbin/alsaconf`
`21:17.30`	`tchino`	`greycat: do you have an idea`
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`21:17.54`	`crn`	`mz_work, thanks`
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`21:18.15`	`aiyaiyairc`	`liable >> hehe, rebooted, pressed F1 for help, and saw the "boot: expert" option, choose that, and there was a whole bunch of options, including 'mirror' config SWEET!!!`
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`21:18.43`	`aiyaiyairc`	`kind of lame that the mirror config isn't on 'default' install method....i like using expert on everything anyway, but for those that don't, kind of odd...`
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`21:19.35`	`tchino`	`all partitions are clean, how can i force to start the system with a write-modus`
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`21:21.14`	`lildude`	`siting back net install sarge hope it goes well`
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`21:23.27`	`madclicker`	`what does /boot/config-2.6.8 is for?`
`21:23.55`	`lildude`	`il need lill help after net instal for gui`
`21:24.07`	`lildude`	`and slap my head cause iam dumb`
`21:24.09`	`abrotman`	`lildude: which gui ?`
`21:24.14`	`lildude`	`kde`
`21:24.16`	`Gathond`	`madclicker: contain the configuration of that kernel, not strictly required, but handy to have`
`21:24.20`	`pedro420`	`Can someone here tell me if they are experiencing problems connecting to fasttrack when using apollon ???`
`21:24.26`	`abrotman`	`lildude: apt-get install kde x-window-system`
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`21:24.26`	`moya`	`is gcj enough for running applets inside firefox ?`
`21:24.40`	`abrotman`	`!install java`
`21:24.41`	`dpkg`	`First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto>`
`21:24.46`	`lildude`	`il try that abrotman`
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`21:25.01`	`madclicker`	`Gathond: is there an easy way to recompile a kernel?`
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`21:25.15`	`billh`	`What's the package for getting Flash to work with www browsers ?`
`21:25.27`	`abrotman`	`!info flash-plugin-nonfree`
`21:25.30`	`abrotman`	`maybe ...`
`21:25.52`	`abrotman`	`!info flashplugin-nonfree sarge`
`21:25.53`	`dpkg`	`flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB`
`21:25.55`	`pedro420`	`Anyone ?????`
`21:25.56`	`abrotman`	`so close :)`
`21:26.30`	`billh`	`I was missing the linking library for it.`
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`21:27.59`	`lildude`	`me dummer than a rock linux user`
`21:28.23`	`moya`	`abrotman: i'm asking in particular about gcj, not the general way of enabling japplets in firefox`
`21:28.33`	`lildude`	`no brain it the head i got a big rock there`
`21:28.56`	`moya`	`abrotman: of course everything works with the sun JVM`
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`21:29.35`	`liable`	`lildude: run 'tasksel'`
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`21:30.41`	`yath`	`Anyone know how to use make-kpkg to make additional kernel packages without it recompiling the whole thing each time?`
`21:31.09`	`theeil`	`i am having problems with gnome programs (evolution, gaim, nautilus, etc). for example nautilus takes 10-15 min. to open then quits responding when you click anything; and gaim quits responding when i use advanced functionality, most other apps work fine though (ones not based on gnome it seems, but konqueror will not launch/takes as long as nautilus)`
`21:31.11`	`aiyaiyairc`	`is there any reason, to use kernel 2.4 instead of 2.6? searched, and benchmarks seems to show 2.6 as faster...but 2.4 is an option to choose, so am curious`
`21:31.22`	`sinoth`	`2.4 is better with older hardware`
`21:31.38`	`aiyaiyairc`	`sinoth >> ty`
`21:31.45`	`abrotman`	`moya: afaik .. gcj is a compiler .. not a vm`
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`21:31.47`	`abrotman`	`!gcj`
`21:31.47`	`dpkg`	`from memory, gcj is the GNU/Cygnus java source and bytecode compiler, part of egcs`
`21:31.51`	`metaperl`	`I am attempting to "daisy-chain" internet connectivity. The router box has a wireless connection to the internet and an ethernet jack that I want to use to supply another machine with wired internet access. I am confused about how to use iptables to do NAT on the router box, per this post: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg01013.html ... also any input on /etc/network/interfaces is .`
`21:31.56`	`sporkbomb`	`theeil: are you running sid?`
`21:32.03`	`abrotman`	`moya: though i could be wrong .. might want to ask #java?`
`21:32.06`	`abrotman`	`or #gnu ?`
`21:32.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`I have /bin/false login names for the postgresql and ssh "users" in /etc/passwd, why ?`
`21:32.18`	`Scorpaen`	`i compiled gaim from source... can't find the sound files that come with it. anyone know where they are?`
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`21:32.33`	`theeil`	`sporkbomb: sid is what?`
`21:32.42`	`cat`	`Scorpaen, apt-get source gaim`
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`21:32.53`	`liable`	`metaperl: use shorewall or some other front end to iptables, or ipmasq`
`21:33.10`	`Scorpaen`	`cat i installed from source. the version in debian packages isnt' going to be the same version i have`
`21:33.16`	`metaperl`	`liable: which would you recommend between shorewall and ipmasq?`
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`21:33.33`	`s_ward`	`Thanatermesis: That sounds like their shell, and not their login name. It's normal, so they can't be used to gain a shell login to the system.`
`21:33.37`	`metaperl`	`liable: what am I supposed to do with those programs?`
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`21:33.52`	`ice_1963`	`how can i get KDE 3.4 ????? in sarge`
`21:33.59`	`liable`	`metaperl: I havent used ipmasq, but shorewall is easy to set up, theres a good two-interface howto on the site.`
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`21:34.09`	`metaperl`	`liable: thanks`
`21:34.10`	`Mardus`	`Hi.`
`21:34.11`	`liable`	`!topicbadger ice_1963`
`21:34.11`	`dpkg`	`/topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic READ ITREAD IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic a shaaame it's a shaaame that ice_1963 didn't read the /topic /topic /topic /topic...`
`21:34.23`	`lildude`	`does it matter if sarge 2.4 kernalo net istall\`
`21:34.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes s_ward , this is from a chroot of one debootstrap`
`21:34.33`	`lildude`	`i can update it 2.6 righty?`
`21:34.39`	`liable`	`lildude: yes`
`21:34.43`	`billh`	`bah, this is such a pain in the ass`
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`21:35.00`	`ice_1963`	`ok`
`21:35.51`	`metaperl`	`installing shorewall removed guidedog and guarddog, but here goes...`
`21:35.53`	`Mardus`	`What's this thing about public away messages?`
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`21:36.01`	`twk`	`hi all`
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`21:36.50`	`lildude`	`downloading packages now`
`21:37.05`	`twk`	`i'm trying to set up a local repository but obtain this error: file:/home/sid/debian/dists/unstable/Release Unable to find expected entry main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)`
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`21:37.42`	`drichards`	`question about installation of 3.1r0a: I am legally blind, I can't see dark text on blight backgrounds. Is there a boot option when booting CD 1 that will allow me to get white text on a dark background? This is i386 btw.`
`21:38.20`	`SimonRaven`	`drichards: try #debian-boot`
`21:38.21`	`s_ward`	`Mardus: /msg dpkg away # i.e. saying to the channel you're away is bad`
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`21:38.31`	`tchino`	`how can i force to start up the system with a write-modus`
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`21:39.11`	`Mardus`	`s_ward: So if I choose "Marked Away" from Xchat's "User Modes" menu, it does the same thing?`
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`21:39.45`	`twk`	`this is my Release file : Origin: Local Repository`
`21:39.45`	`twk`	`Label: Local Repository`
`21:39.45`	`twk`	`Suite: unstable`
`21:39.45`	`twk`	`Codename: sid`
`21:39.45`	`twk`	`Architecture: i386`
`21:39.45`	`twk`	`Components: main`
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`21:40.05`	`twk`	`sorry :)`
`21:40.06`	`SimonRaven`	`@tell twk -about paste`
`21:40.06`	`s_ward`	`Mardus: shouldn't do if you don't have "Announce away messages" set`
`21:40.09`	`SimonRaven`	`@tell twk -about paster`
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`21:40.26`	`Shadowcat`	`!paste`
`21:40.26`	`dpkg`	`paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff.`
`21:40.29`	`Mardus`	`s_ward: Well, it announced an away message.`
`21:41.04`	`s_ward`	`Mardus: I don't know then`
`21:41.09`	`aiyaiyairc`	`searched for a bit, as a newb, still at a loss... GRUB or LILO for bootloader, thinking of choosing GRUB because I read you don't have to reinstall it w/each kernel update....`
`21:41.18`	`tchino`	`my system starts with read-only file-system, how is the reason?`
`21:41.27`	`lildude`	`rub it is bes boot loader`
`21:41.32`	`SimonRaven`	`tchino: boot loader conf`
`21:41.34`	`lildude`	`lilo f up`
`21:41.51`	`aiyaiyairc`	`lol thanks lildude`
`21:41.58`	`lildude`	`why? lol`
`21:42.07`	`aiyaiyairc`	`"lilo is an f up"`
`21:42.13`	`Mardus`	`Well, I later thought that public away messages might clutter room... I remember there was some discussion here some months ago, complaining that it cluttered the view.`
`21:42.15`	`lildude`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:42.18`	`c01100011`	`what is the best way to install vmware in linux (aliening the rpm didn't work out for me)`
`21:42.26`	`aiyaiyairc`	`lildude >> come to ##java heehehe`
`21:42.28`	`s_ward`	`Mardus: as far as I know, noone's complained about me; I'm using xchat at the moment`
`21:42.29`	`c01100011`	`debian*`
`21:42.33`	`theeil`	`sporkbomb: sid is what?`
`21:42.36`	`Mardus`	`s_ward: Me too.`
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`21:42.39`	`aiyaiyairc`	`lildude >> j/k got to be on topic there too`
`21:42.46`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: my harddisc had a interrupt error, after that i repair it with fsck, how can i change boot loader conf on a read-only filesystem`
`21:43.05`	`Mardus`	`s_ward: Just that when I selected "Mark Away" from "User Modes" menu, the away (and later return) messages were public.`
`21:43.07`	`s_ward`	`Mardus: yes, it does clutter, I'm not a fan of away notices, and a high traffic channel like debian certainly isn't :)`
`21:43.10`	`Shadowcat`	`tchino: mount it rw?`
`21:43.16`	`SimonRaven`	`tchino: don't. when single user remount it rw`
`21:43.40`	`SimonRaven`	`having it mounted ro at first is a safety feature.`
`21:43.45`	`lildude`	`praying for help for my gui when net install finishes`
`21:43.53`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: how can i do this`
`21:44.03`	`Mardus`	`I made some config changes to X, so I'm leaving. I'm also going to watch "Dark Angel".`
`21:44.10`	`SimonRaven`	`tchino: otherwise the system remounts it rw anyway later on during boot`
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`21:44.34`	`SimonRaven`	`i'll give you a freebie, mount -o remount,rw /`
`21:44.38`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: no, it only starts with read-only`
`21:44.58`	`samuel`	`slashdot`
`21:45.15`	`UroS`	`how can i disable some modules to load?`
`21:45.17`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: how can i remount rw and then boot with rw system?`
`21:45.17`	`samuel`	`sorry wrong windot`
`21:45.43`	`SimonRaven`	`yes, i just said that...`
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`21:46.20`	`lildude`	`net install finished how i get gui kde`
`21:46.28`	`SimonRaven`	`install it`
`21:46.30`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: mount:command not found`
`21:46.42`	`Zomb`	`tchino: as root`
`21:46.44`	`lildude`	`how i install kd`
`21:46.50`	`lildude`	`i am root user in root`
`21:46.56`	`tchino`	`Zomb: yes as root`
`21:47.04`	`Zomb`	`tchino: there is no /sbin/mount?`
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`21:47.14`	`Zomb`	`tchino: or you fucked up your $PATH?`
`21:47.51`	`SimonRaven`	`i bet he's logged in with sh instead of bash or something`
`21:48.25`	`tchino`	`Zomb: only /sbin/mount.smb`
`21:48.37`	`SimonRaven`	`blink`
`21:48.47`	`lildude`	`apt get instal;l kde x-window-system`
`21:48.53`	`lildude`	`now what i type`
`21:49.00`	`SimonRaven`	`apt-get`
`21:49.10`	`Zomb`	`tchino: then I would beginn to look for the backup media`
`21:49.18`	`lildude`	`yep i had apt-get infront`
`21:49.22`	`SimonRaven`	`you probably only need x-window-system-core anyway`
`21:49.25`	`samuel`	`is there any way to ask dpkg to show me its configuration file? i dont know how to enable babelfish in the config file, and there is nothing in the web or the docs on how`
`21:49.26`	`lildude`	`its dl gui`
`21:49.35`	`SimonRaven`	`well good for you`
`21:49.38`	`ice_1963`	`i'ed install x-window-sys first`
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`21:49.52`	`lildude`	`i did that`
`21:49.53`	`ice_1963`	`then kde`
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`21:50.09`	`lildude`	`ok then what start x?`
`21:50.10`	`ice_1963`	`then kdm`
`21:50.17`	`h2k`	`does debian x.org have composite enabled?`
`21:50.36`	`SimonRaven`	`h2k: that's a conf option`
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`21:50.59`	`h2k`	`SimonRaven, you mean in xorg.conf?`
`21:51.04`	`SimonRaven`	`yes`
`21:51.04`	`FarrisG`	`Does anyone know why, when I send a plain-text email with thunderbird, Outlook gets rid of some of the newlines and just wraps text?`
`21:51.06`	`h2k`	`k`
`21:51.17`	`Phated`	`Because outlook is a cock.`
`21:51.22`	`SimonRaven`	`lookout is crap, deal ;)`
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`21:51.49`	`SimonRaven`	`you gotta wipes its butt sometimes, it's that crap`
`21:52.04`	`tchino`	`Zomb: must i do to start the system with my woody cd's with rw`
`21:52.15`	`SimonRaven`	`uh, woody?`
`21:52.22`	`Zomb`	`eh, Woody?`
`21:52.30`	`SimonRaven`	`time to update and upgrade i think`
`21:52.38`	`tchino`	`sorry, my server is only woody`
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`21:52.43`	`Zomb`	`tchino: do we talk about the same 3.5 old piece of sotware?`
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`21:53.11`	`tchino`	`Zomb: can you help my start up my server again after my crash`
`21:53.26`	`SimonRaven`	`tchino: restore from backups`
`21:53.34`	`Zomb`	`tchino: if you have lost the mount program in the crash, I doubt there is much to rescue now`
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`21:53.56`	`lord_rob`	`hi ! is xorg in sid compiled with gcc 4 ?`
`21:54.01`	`maggo`	`how i know the size of a page in linux`
`21:54.05`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: I have only debain woody-cd's 3.0`
`21:54.16`	`lildude`	`kde pack installing`
`21:54.21`	`theeil`	`anyone have an idea why pppoe would not work at startup and i would have to runn pppoeconf every time i restart?`
`21:54.21`	`lildude`	`whats next`
`21:54.23`	`SimonRaven`	`tchino: you can upgrade to sarge afterwards. no biggie`
`21:54.45`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: and how can I start my system now`
`21:55.05`	`SimonRaven`	`tchino: soon woody won't get security updates anymore (about 1-1.5 year after sarge released it'll stop)`
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`21:55.48`	`SimonRaven`	`lildude: /msg dpkg xsession`
`21:56.04`	`lildude`	`what that do`
`21:56.05`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: yes at start-up, it doesn't finde the mount command`
`21:56.17`	`SimonRaven`	`lildude: the bot will tell you`
`21:56.34`	`SimonRaven`	`tchino: like i said, restore from backups`
`21:56.42`	`lildude`	`were i type that simon at root?`
`21:57.14`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: and how can i do this? Do you have a way?`
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`21:57.57`	`SimonRaven`	`theeil: tell it to start at boot`
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`21:58.25`	`SimonRaven`	`tchino: if you don't have backups, you don't. that simple. you should know if you do or not`
`21:58.29`	`theeil`	`SimonRaven: i did (pppoeconf gives you that option)`
`21:58.33`	`lildude`	`simon dont i go startx?`
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`21:59.05`	`SimonRaven`	`lildude: yes, once you've configured your ~/.xsession...`
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`21:59.16`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: I don't have backups of my system`
`21:59.24`	`FieldySnuts`	`that'll teach you`
`21:59.27`	`SimonRaven`	`theeil: then make an entry for ppp in /etc/network/interfaces`
`21:59.39`	`SimonRaven`	`tchino: well then you're fucked. re-install`
`21:59.46`	`Zomb`	`theeil: well, your modules do not get loaded?`
`21:59.54`	`Zomb`	`theine: you use pon instead of ifup?`
`21:59.57`	`lildude`	`simon can you help me config x session`
`22:00.06`	`Zomb`	`s/theine/theeil/`
`22:00.07`	`FieldySnuts`	`~permasunday`
`22:00.07`	`SimonRaven`	`lildude: /msg dpkg xsession`
`22:00.09`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: ok?! Thanks.`
`22:00.12`	`FieldySnuts`	`ravenbird: permasunday`
`22:00.13`	`ravenbird`	`FieldySnuts: i haven't a clue`
`22:00.17`	`lildude`	`ok il do that`
`22:00.30`	`SimonRaven`	`@permasunday`
`22:00.44`	`SimonRaven`	`hm`
`22:00.58`	`theeil`	`Zomb: i guess`
`22:01.25`	`SimonRaven`	`@permasunday`
`22:01.25`	`ravenbird`	`All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html`
`22:01.29`	`Zomb`	`theeil: use ifup. Or make sure your interface is up by configuring it with some private IP`
`22:02.17`	`madclicker`	`how do i get "ls" to display colors?`
`22:02.36`	`SimonRaven`	`man ls. /color`
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`22:03.24`	`FieldySnuts`	`why didn't it work before (permasunday)`
`22:03.45`	`FieldySnuts`	`apt: permasunday is <reply> All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday`
`22:03.45`	`apt`	`okay, FieldySnuts`
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`22:04.19`	`csparlin`	`Why won't my display run at 1024x768 resolution even though I used that as the setting in the installation?`
`22:04.29`	`tchino`	`SimonRaven: ok, i board me a new harddisk, how can i installed the new system over a my router? exist a possibility, or must install woody from my cd's and then update it on sarge?`
`22:04.45`	`madclicker`	`SimonRaven: thats all is well, what about setting it for all profiles ?`
`22:04.51`	`aaronlin`	`I'm running a computer with 128 megs of RAM. Is it a bad idea to constantly use swap memory to run apps?`
`22:05.06`	`lildude`	`asking for list of resporitorens`
`22:05.10`	`lildude`	`what is that`
`22:05.12`	`SimonRaven`	`madclicker: you don't. that's considered as control freak behaviour`
`22:05.39`	`FieldySnuts`	`aaronlin: you probably won't have much of a choice. using swap isn't bad, as in, it won't hurt anything. however your system will run rediculously and annoyingly slow, at times.`
`22:05.53`	`SimonRaven`	`tchino: do whatever you think is right. you know your situation better than i do`
`22:06.04`	`beardy`	`aaronlin: You will not be asked by any program if you want it to swap, so no need in wondering about that. :) If you want to run things that need more memory, you _have_to have swap.`
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`22:06.30`	`aaronlin`	`beardy: maybe I should look for an even smaller desktop`
`22:06.40`	`beardy`	`aaronlin: In other words, it's a good idea for you to have swap.`
`22:07.07`	`aaronlin`	`beardy: just on xfce I need at least 200 megs of memory`
`22:07.18`	`madclicker`	`SimonRaven: i have about 10 people logging in and before the RPM based distros had color, now they all complain`
`22:07.25`	`SimonRaven`	`no, less. a lot of that is shared mem`
`22:07.26`	`beardy`	`aaronlin: Really? (!)`
`22:07.36`	`aaronlin`	`well, 160 megs I think`
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`22:07.42`	`aaronlin`	`I am running GAIM, firefox, and Xchat`
`22:07.44`	`madclicker`	`SimonRaven: sarge doesnt have all this as defaults`
`22:07.46`	`SimonRaven`	`madclicker: so then write up a README on how they can enable it again`
`22:07.55`	`SimonRaven`	`it's not hard`
`22:07.57`	`aaronlin`	`so that will probably add up. But I mean, I might as well add them in, because it's not like I'm just going to run the desktop by itself with nothing open`
`22:08.02`	`madclicker`	`SimonRaven: roger`
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`22:08.36`	`SimonRaven`	`then just plop it into their $HOME, or use sysnews to announce it, and where to get it`
`22:08.44`	`beardy`	`aaronlin: Just try? If it becomes too slow, use a lighter window manager, and less programs started simultaneously.`
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`22:08.56`	`nylon2`	`lo`
`22:09.06`	`Phated`	`You're allowing people who don't know how to read a manpage log into YOUR system and use YOUR resources? Generous one, aren't you.`
`22:09.06`	`aaronlin`	`I think I hear my computer furiously trying to keep up with the demands`
`22:09.10`	`aaronlin`	`lots of noisy scratching sounds`
`22:09.13`	`Mariele`	`saben cual e sla palabra mas popular del mundo?`
`22:09.26`	`nylon2`	`how can I fix the following on my debian sever:`
`22:09.42`	`beardy`	`aaronlin: That's called a hard drive.. ;)`
`22:09.47`	`XPMaster`	`lol`
`22:09.59`	`Sup3rFly`	`what is tmpfs?`
`22:10.01`	`samuel`	`Mariele, aqui hablan ingles, en #debian-es hablan espa�ol`
`22:10.04`	`aaronlin`	`it is the computer trying to use the swap partition`
`22:10.14`	`Mariele`	`sorry wrong window ..`
`22:10.15`	`Sup3rFly`	`i get this during bootup: wrong fs type bad option bad superfblock on tmpfs`
`22:10.18`	`Mariele`	`:)`
`22:10.26`	`aaronlin`	`brb`
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`22:12.20`	`lildude`	`it asked for me to set monito setting do i start x or just reboot`
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`22:12.28`	`cr3`	`I just built a 2.6.* kernel for debian 3.0r0a from source and I can't find the initrd.img file, any ideas where it can be?`
`22:12.51`	`cat`	`cr3, /boot`
`22:12.55`	`Shadowcat`	`no`
`22:13.01`	`Shadowcat`	`you have to make an initrd`
`22:13.12`	`Shadowcat`	`!kernel`
`22:13.14`	`dpkg`	`Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.12.4, prepatch: 2.6.13-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.13-rc6-git3, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-rc5-mm1`
`22:13.16`	`Shadowcat`	`hmm...`
`22:13.40`	`Shadowcat`	`!debian way`
`22:13.40`	`dpkg`	`methinks debian way is the way consistent with debian policies so that debian doesn't get broken (eg apt dependencies resolve automagically). Usually the cleanest, easiest way. http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm`
`22:13.46`	`Shadowcat`	`bah`
`22:13.58`	`Shadowcat`	`dead link`
`22:14.10`	`Shadowcat`	`!forget debian way`
`22:14.10`	`dpkg`	`i forgot debian way, Shadowcat`
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`22:14.39`	`Shadowcat`	`ah there we go`
`22:14.41`	`Shadowcat`	`!kernel-package`
`22:14.41`	`dpkg`	`To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html`
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`22:14.52`	`Sup3rFly`	`anyone know what /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs does?`
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`22:16.30`	`PeterB`	`Sup3rFly: Open it. And read the comments.`
`22:16.39`	`Sup3rFly`	`is that what is causing my errors?`
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`22:19.16`	`Sup3rFly`	`are you guys running 2.6.12.4?`
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`22:19.49`	`rodrigo`	`my xserver is not working, error: "failed to initialize core devices"`
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`22:21.35`	`vorpal`	`question about apt-cacher... it install some apache directives in /etc/apache/conf.d/apt-cacher, but by default apache doesn't seem to process directives from that location. i verified by pasting the directives into /etc/apache/httpd.conf, and now it works. any suggestion how i can get apache to process configuration files in /etc/apache/con.d ?`
`22:22.13`	`cddesjar`	`is there a way to alter the fonts in the "terminal" that appears when trying to install or remove a program in synaptic?`
`22:22.43`	`samuel`	`nylug is The New York Linux Users Group`
`22:22.47`	`samuel`	`i didnt know that`
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`22:23.38`	`vorpal`	`my previous question is more of a apache question, i suppose.`
`22:24.44`	`rodrigo`	`my xserver is not working, error: "failed to initialize core devices"`
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`22:25.17`	`parityflag`	`hello.`
`22:25.34`	`PeterB`	`!tell rodrigo about smart questions`
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`22:25.46`	`parityflag`	`how can I force my debian to use gcc 3.4 instead of version 4?`
`22:25.48`	`xerophyte`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/2-CARDBOARD-BOXES_W0QQitemZ5605786174QQcategoryZ1469QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem`
`22:25.57`	`rodrigo`	`I installed apache2, how do I run it?`
`22:26.12`	`parityflag`	`I think, just changing symbolic link is no solution, cause gcc consists of more than the gcc compiler`
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`22:28.43`	`jd\|laptop`	`parityflag, maybe look into the alternatives system?`
`22:28.51`	`randomity`	`rodrigo: apachectl start, i think`
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`22:30.40`	`rodrigo`	`randomitym it didn't work, thanks`
`22:30.55`	`randomity`	`are you root`
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`22:33.02`	`rodrigo`	`yep`
`22:33.03`	`lildude`	`i tried that help`
`22:33.12`	`lildude`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:33.29`	`rodrigo`	`it said that the apachectl command was not found`
`22:33.47`	`jd\|laptop`	`rodrigo, apache2ctl`
`22:34.07`	`eeyore-`	`what in the heck is that ebay bid for?`
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`22:34.18`	`postel`	`parityflag: ln -s gcc to the gcc-version-you-want`
`22:34.25`	`parityflag`	`jd\|laptop: where shall I read about the alternatives system?`
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`22:34.59`	`parityflag`	`postel: I thought about that. but couldnt this make trouble, cause other gcc programs are still 4.0?`
`22:35.04`	`rodrigo`	`how do I make the NumLock to be enabled by default?`
`22:35.05`	`postel`	`rodrigo: /etc/init.d/apache start`
`22:35.29`	`jd\|laptop`	`rodrigo, use 'apache2' if you're using apache2`
`22:35.44`	`postel`	`parityflag: why are you so scared? its just a softlink, give it a try, it works, if it doesnt simlink it back again`
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`22:35.54`	`christor`	`Hello I have a refresh problem with the VNC is someone already had the same problem`
`22:36.14`	`parityflag`	`postel: ok I'll try it, thank you`
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`22:37.17`	`metaperl`	`hello, how can I assign a permanent IP to my laptop running Debian-testing?`
`22:37.41`	`rodrigo`	`postel it didn't work and gave no error :(`
`22:37.50`	`grzywacz`	`metaperl, read man interfaces`
`22:37.53`	`jd\|laptop`	`rodrigo, how do you know it didn't work?`
`22:38.03`	`metaperl`	`grzywacz: thanks`
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`22:38.55`	`postel`	`rodrigo: what did you simlink to what? and how?`
`22:39.38`	`rodrigo`	`jd\|laptop i tried to connect with lynx`
`22:39.50`	`rodrigo`	`postel what is simlink?`
`22:40.09`	`lildude`	`thnaks for helping me`
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`22:40.24`	`postel`	`metaperl: vi /etc/network/interfaces`
`22:40.42`	`nonforma`	`Anyone know of any sites with beginner info on rackmounts?`
`22:40.44`	`postel`	`rodrigo: a simlink is a softlink, ln -s`
`22:41.16`	`postel`	`rodrigo: btw if you dotn know what a softlink is how did you follow my advice?`
`22:41.43`	`mrwill`	`do I need to do anything special to alias a second ip address to an interface, or do I just configure in the same way as the other address?`
`22:41.48`	`rodrigo`	`i just typed it`
`22:41.53`	`rodrigo`	`i'm new to linux`
`22:42.03`	`postel`	`rodrigo: oh, great`
`22:42.03`	`PeterB`	`postel: rodrigo is not parityflag ;)`
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`22:42.10`	`rodrigo`	`i have apache2 working in a windows pc`
`22:42.21`	`postel`	`PeterB: true, but its getting late here :/`
`22:43.19`	`postel`	`rodrigo: i got the nicks messed up, im old, its late and everything, sorry for that :/`
`22:43.33`	`rodrigo`	`no problem ;)`
`22:43.40`	`rodrigo`	`where do you live?`
`22:43.45`	`postel`	`GMT`
`22:43.53`	`postel`	`London, UK`
`22:44.05`	`rodrigo`	`i'm UTC-3`
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`22:44.13`	`rodrigo`	`7:45 pm here`
`22:44.27`	`postel`	`going strong`
`22:44.27`	`defcon8`	`whoah`
`22:44.34`	`defcon8`	`its 0145 here`
`22:44.35`	`PeterB`	`Almost 2am here.`
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`22:44.46`	`Slippy^`	`0044 here ;)`
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`22:45.17`	`Slippy^`	`...I believe I'm missing one minute :/`
`22:45.25`	`defcon8`	`where are you living PeterB, russia or something?`
`22:45.29`	`defcon8`	`im in turkey`
`22:45.33`	`PeterB`	`defcon8: Next to it :)`
`22:45.43`	`defcon8`	`armenia or greece?`
`22:45.47`	`PeterB`	`!lv`
`22:45.47`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, lv is Latvia`
`22:45.51`	`defcon8`	`?`
`22:45.58`	`defcon8`	`oh`
`22:46.04`	`postel`	`defcon8: greece is a bit far from armenia dude`
`22:46.08`	`postel`	`;)`
`22:46.14`	`defcon8`	`postel, they are both next to turkey`
`22:46.15`	`defcon8`	`;D`
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`22:46.45`	`vladster_`	`what is the fastest Canadian mirror out there close to the us midwest?`
`22:46.46`	`defcon8`	`ahh shit`
`22:46.52`	`defcon8`	`we were talking about russia werent we`
`22:46.52`	`Slippy^`	`mmMmm..kentucky fried turkey`
`22:47.15`	`vladster_`	`yorku is no longer listed`
`22:48.05`	`PeterB`	`vladster_: Try apt-spy.`
`22:48.20`	`vladster_`	`on the install?`
`22:48.52`	`witch`	`defcon8: so swiss is near danmark?`
`22:48.58`	`postel`	`vladster_: there is a tool that probes/pings the mirrors and based on response time edits your sources.list, i cant recall the damn name of the package`
`22:49.12`	`postel`	`apt-spy`
`22:49.13`	`postel`	`yeah`
`22:49.15`	`PeterB`	`postel: apt-spy I believe.`
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`22:49.23`	`postel`	`thanks PeterB`
`22:49.29`	`postel`	`yeah, thats the one`
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`22:49.39`	`vladster_`	`but apt has to be installed first`
`22:50.43`	`Livingroom`	`question: can a man run two EIDE RAID controllers in his system? for a total of 8 drives?`
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`22:51.01`	`vladster_`	`of course it does not help that my wife is watching webtv right now either`
`22:51.14`	`Livingroom`	`WEBTV?`
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`22:51.18`	`Livingroom`	`do they still even have those?`
`22:51.29`	`vladster_`	`tv streams off of the web`
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`22:51.34`	`Livingroom`	`oh.`
`22:51.42`	`Livingroom`	`i thought you were talking about those old microsoft set-top boxes`
`22:51.49`	`vladster_`	`god I want fttp`
`22:51.58`	`Livingroom`	`fttp?`
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`22:52.12`	`PeterB`	`Livingroom: Some hybrid I guess.`
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`22:52.20`	`vladster_`	`fiber to the premises`
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`22:52.45`	`vladster_`	`30 mips down/7 mips up`
`22:52.51`	`metaperl`	`I am trying to setup a laptop with a static ip.. using /etc/network/interfaces that was just a single line (iface eth0 inet static)... I want to know what the network, broadcast, and gateway settings should be`
`22:53.21`	`vladster_`	`and plenty of room for voip`
`22:53.25`	`postel`	`metaperl: depends on your net`
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`22:53.46`	`postel`	`metaperl: you're on RFC1918 or you got proper routable blocks?`
`22:53.52`	`rodrigo`	`what's the path to the serial port?`
`22:53.55`	`vladster_`	`I would dump my pnone line real quick]`
`22:55.05`	`vladster_`	`is there a list of the repositories that would "augment sarge once this thing is up and running?`
`22:55.08`	`randomity`	`metaperl: do you want a private (192.168) ip?`
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`22:55.34`	`vladster_`	`I could live with the link to a site`
`22:56.14`	`vladster_`	`must be dinner time`
`22:56.27`	`Shadowcat`	`vladster_: apt-setup`
`22:56.34`	`metaperl`	`randomity: private, yes`
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`22:57.26`	`vladster_`	`I guess I will have to live with the 2.6.8 kernel for now`
`22:57.44`	`randomity`	`metaperl: you can set up 192.168.0.x address for your boxen. ip = 192.168.0.x, netmask = 255.255.255.0, broadcast = 192.168.0.254, gw = <address of gateway>`
`22:58.01`	`hoopy`	`i am trying to install debian on a machine with a wifi card, the wifi card works just fine but the installer automatically grabs the first wifi it finds, i live in an apartment complex and i need it to connect to mine because it is the only one that works`
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`22:58.15`	`hoopy`	`is there a way for me to specify which of the ssid's that the installer connects to?`
`22:58.28`	`lobomufas`	`hi`
`22:58.29`	`metaperl`	`randomity: I am using 10.168.1.3 as the address for this box to distinguish it from the router machine`
`22:58.39`	`randomity`	`what's the router address?`
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`22:58.48`	`rodrigo`	`xserver worked :) but the mouse didn't :(`
`22:59.11`	`rodrigo`	`what should I set to the mouse's port, i'm using a serial mouse`
`22:59.17`	`metaperl`	`but what do network, and broadcast and gateway mean... the router box (also running Debian-testing) has IP address :192.168.2.60`
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`22:59.30`	`christor`	`is it possible to use gpg to crypt all a folder?`
`22:59.40`	`Sputn1k`	`How to make deb package from source?`
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`22:59.47`	`metaperl`	`so the router box is on the 192* net and this parasite laptop is going to be on10* so I can do zone firewalling/forwarding easily`
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`22:59.49`	`reagent`	`hi`
`22:59.51`	`Rawplayer`	`HI`
`23:00.02`	`hoopy`	`BAH`
`23:00.13`	`randomity`	`metaperl: How many boxes are on this router?`
`23:00.23`	`rodrigo`	`can I access the files shared in a pc running windows from linux?`
`23:00.25`	`randomity`	`metaperl: to the nearest hundred or so`
`23:00.36`	`randomity`	`rodrigo: yes. Konqueror, or anything else`
`23:01.02`	`metaperl`	`randomity: one (a single laptop)`
`23:01.15`	`reagent`	`I'm trying to pin clamav from volatile, but I don't know how to set up my preferences file. I defined priority 400 for the volatile source and 600 for the clamav package, but it's not working`
`23:01.36`	`randomity`	`metaperl: so why do you want the router on 192 and the laptop on 10? it's so much easier to have everything on one subnet`
`23:01.40`	`rodrigo`	`randomity, please define "anything else", i have only the CLI`
`23:02.31`	`randomity`	`rodrigo: Oh. get smbclient, in the samba package. It has an ftp-style interface. Or get smbmount, in the same package, which allows you to mount windows shares as filesystems`
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`23:03.25`	`metaperl`	`randomity: I am using guarddog and guidedog for the packet filtering , iptables, forwarding and a million other things I know nothing about... I still dont know what the terms network, broadcast and gateway mean ... and I thought it would be easier to create a zone for the parasite laptop if it were on a different whole IP`
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`23:03.34`	`vladster_`	`does sarge use alsa or oss?`
`23:03.56`	`asuffield`	`randomity: it's in the smbclient package`
`23:04.01`	`metaperl`	`randomity: let me guess gateway should be equal to 192.168.2.60`
`23:04.03`	`asuffield`	`vladster_: yes, sarge uses alsa or oss`
`23:04.08`	`Shadowcat`	`vladster_: it can use both`
`23:04.18`	`asuffield`	`Shadowcat: now that it can't do, you have to pick one or the other :P`
`23:04.26`	`randomity`	`metaperl: put the laptop on 192.168.2.x`
`23:04.49`	`Shadowcat`	`asuffield: well it can`
`23:04.53`	`randomity`	`metaperl: I presume the internet is on a separate network card to the laptop on the router box`
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`23:05.39`	`randomity`	`the netmask will then be 255.255.255.0, meaning that only the last number is used to distinguish the boxes on the LAN`
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`23:05.54`	`randomity`	`the gateway will be the address of the router`
`23:06.03`	`metaperl`	`randomity: my P25 has a wireless connection to the internet on eth2 and eth0 is an open ethernet jack. I want to feed my thinkpad an internet connection via eth0`
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`23:06.32`	`randomity`	`metaperl: then definitely put the laptop on 192.168.2.x`
`23:06.39`	`postel`	`"number"? thats an octet sir, numbers belong to R`
`23:06.48`	`randomity`	`guarddog can control access by interface`
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`23:07.17`	`mfrisch`	`How do you mount the lvm created during installs?`
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`23:07.39`	`Shadowcat`	`mfrisch: why do you need lvm?`
`23:07.48`	`maggo`	`there is some form to limit the memory RAM of a process`
`23:07.52`	`randomity`	`metaperl: laptop ip:192.168.2.4 netmask:255.255.255.0 broadcast:192.168.2.255 gw:192.168.2.60`
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`23:08.11`	`metaperl`	`randomity: broadcast = 192.168.2.255 ... why is that? and what about network?`
`23:08.14`	`reagent`	`maggo: ulimit?`
`23:08.16`	`*** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ`
`23:08.26`	`*** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian \| FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ \| BTS: /msg dpkg bts \| gcc/g++ 4.0 with new ABI in sid; beware breakage! \| X.org is in sid \| sid's libssl0.9.7 broken: /msg dpkg broken ssl \| USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here \| /msg bots NOT people \| Java -> /msg dpkg java \| kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 \| NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main`
`23:08.27`	`ma3x`	`dondelelcaro, THE KING!`
`23:08.28`	`mfrisch`	`Shadowcat I am just joining two disks, thought I would try it.`
`23:08.32`	`*** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro`
`23:08.50`	`Shadowcat`	`mfrisch: with software raid?`
`23:08.52`	`randomity`	`metaperl: the broadcast address might not be right for your setup. Check what it is on the router. The actual address doesn't matter as long as its the same on both machines and no machine uses it as a n ip`
`23:08.54`	`Shadowcat`	`very smart`
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`23:09.08`	`ma3x`	`hey anybody uses apollon?`
`23:09.13`	`ma3x`	`dont tell me about anybody :)`
`23:09.21`	`dvs`	`!ne1`
`23:09.21`	`dpkg`	`There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s)`
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`23:09.23`	`metaperl`	`randomity: you are right.. that is what it is on the P25`
`23:09.37`	`randomity`	`metaperl: .255 is the most common`
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`23:09.53`	`randomity`	`netmask is used to distinguish subnet from ip address`
`23:10.05`	`metaperl`	`what do broadcast and network mean? I know what gateway means now`
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`23:10.16`	`mfrisch`	`How do you mount lvm volumes?`
`23:10.18`	`metaperl`	`I think if I had used DHCP this would've set all this for me? correct?`
`23:10.24`	`randomity`	`255.255.255.0 means that the 192.168.2. part refers to the subnet and the 60 refers to the ip address`
`23:10.35`	`Shadowcat`	`!anybody`
`23:10.36`	`dpkg`	`**anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I* do.`
`23:10.37`	`Shadowcat`	`heh`
`23:10.42`	`randomity`	`so your router is on the 192.168.2 subnet and has address 60`
`23:10.56`	`randomity`	`your laptop should be on the same subnet and have some other address`
`23:10.58`	`dvs`	`metaperl: you can receive messages from the network address and you can send out messages to everyone on the network using the broadcast`
`23:11.08`	`randomity`	`put it on 192.168.2.x`
`23:11.25`	`randomity`	`broadcast is an address used by ip to send messages to everybody`
`23:11.48`	`randomity`	`it doesn't matter what this address is, as long as no machine actually uses it as their ip`
`23:11.59`	`randomity`	`people usually make it <subnet>.255`
`23:12.03`	`metaperl`	`broadcast = 192.168.2.0`
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`23:12.09`	`dvs`	`metaperl: So the lowest and highest network addresses in a network are already taken`
`23:12.10`	`metaperl`	`broadcast = 192.168.2.255`
`23:12.16`	`metaperl`	`network = 192.168.2.0`
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`23:12.20`	`mfrisch`	`Shadowcat do you know why its not at /dev/mapper/shared?`
`23:12.21`	`metaperl`	`yes`
`23:12.21`	`TCW`	`re`
`23:12.32`	`reagent`	`c'mon, I can't believe that no one can tell me how to set up apt pinning...`
`23:12.43`	`rodrigo`	`randomity, smbclient is installed, now how do I use it?`
`23:12.54`	`Shadowcat`	`mfrisch: I don't use lvm`
`23:12.56`	`randomity`	`rodrigo: smbclient //server/share`
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`23:13.26`	`rodrigo`	`hm /... i was trying with \ :/`
`23:13.28`	`TCW`	`Why is there for testing and unstable just one version of base-files and due to that one version of /etc/debian_version which says "testing/unstable"?`
`23:13.30`	`randomity`	`metaperl: just make sure that the bc & netmask settings are the same on both machines, and that the ip addresses are similar`
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`23:14.00`	`randomity`	`rodrigo: you can use \ but the shell tries to escape it. So, you could use smbclient '\\server\share'`
`23:14.09`	`rodrigo`	`thanks randomity`
`23:14.09`	`randomity`	`note the quotes`
`23:14.10`	`hoopy`	`isn't sarge supposed to have the forcedeth driver?`
`23:14.21`	`Guerin`	`TCW: because packages propagate from unstable to testing automatically and without alteration`
`23:14.21`	`rodrigo`	`now i just can't remember what file I wanted...`
`23:14.24`	`antony`	`quit`
`23:14.31`	`dvs`	`hoopy: If there's fimeware in the driver, no`
`23:14.44`	`randomity`	`rodrigo: just take 'em all`
`23:14.45`	`dvs`	`firmware`
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`23:15.38`	`TCW`	`Guerin, that is the priciple how debian works... but not an explanation why etch and sid are named the same in that manner...`
`23:15.40`	`hoopy`	`there isn't firmware in there i thought`
`23:15.45`	`hoopy`	`it's reverse engineered`
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`23:16.20`	`dvs`	`hoopy: The Debian developers took it upon themselves to take out any firmware code out of the kernel drivers.`
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`23:16.32`	`CanadaMan`	`hey people... how do I mount an ext2 partition in linux so that all users have both read AND write and execute access on it? right now, it only gives read and execute to the users`
`23:16.55`	`Sup3rFly`	`when compiling a kernel..... does "make-kpkg kernel-image" suppost to work?`
`23:16.55`	`hoopy`	`okay so i need another kernel if i want to use the ethernet on my nforce2`
`23:17.05`	`hoopy`	`if i understand this correctly`
`23:17.08`	`randomity`	`CanadaMan /etc/fstab. Change the line from ro to rw`
`23:17.12`	`dvs`	`hoopy: You need to compile it yourself from kernel.org`
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`23:18.30`	`antgel`	`jesus, learning bitchx and it's painful documentation to read... anyone tell me how to set my nick in .bitchxrc?`
`23:18.33`	`CanadaMan`	`randomity: ah... ok... I was thinking it was something different because when I mount a vfat partition, the actual flags on the mountpoint prior to the mount have no bearing`
`23:18.46`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`23:19.09`	`randomity`	`CanadaMan: man /etc/fstab`
`23:19.15`	`Guerin`	`well, i guess it stands to reason that anyone stupid enough to use bitchx is too stupid to read the documentation`
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`23:19.29`	`rodrigo`	`what should I use to unpack a tar.bz2?`
`23:19.39`	`dvs`	`rodrigo: tar -xjvf`
`23:19.39`	`Guerin`	`rodrigo: tar and bzip2`
`23:19.57`	`randomity`	`dvs wins. Less typing`
`23:20.07`	`antgel`	`Guerin: woah. i usually use xchat but this is useful as works over ssh. i am ploughing the docs but as for any of this arcane shit entering my brain, that's another matter.`
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`23:20.09`	`randomity`	`;)`
`23:20.12`	`Guerin`	`less learning, too`
`23:20.17`	`TCW`	`Guerin, nothing more to say that would satisfy my? :)`
`23:20.42`	`Guerin`	`TCW: yeah, i don't really know.`
`23:20.42`	`Elmoe_`	`Hey guys, does x.org in sid still break nvidia binary drivers?`
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`23:21.05`	`TCW`	`Guerin, that's a statement ;)`
`23:21.20`	`TCW`	`btw s/my/me/`
`23:21.23`	`vladster_`	`xorg breaks nvidia drivers in suse`
`23:21.24`	`Guerin`	`antgel: irssi-text would be my recommendation over bitchx; it has clear documentation and a clear config file`
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`23:21.36`	`Guerin`	`and it's also not utterly shite`
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`23:22.18`	`antgel`	`Guerin: ok, i'll give it a crack. my main concern is that i can use it over ssh so that i don't have to install mirc or other shit on this box (my parents shit windows box)`
`23:22.20`	`Thaiger`	`I have debian and winXP on seperate hard drives, I configured grub and everything, even put the rootnoverify for the NTFS XP partition, but grub still just sits there when trying to boot XP, any advice?`
`23:22.23`	`_sam`	`is it possible to use ssh-askpass without setting up keys and all that?`
`23:22.26`	`antgel`	`back in a tick`
`23:22.34`	`_sam`	`say in lieu of keyboard-interactive`
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`23:25.47`	`antgel`	`i love it. how similar does this look to bitchx?`
`23:26.07`	`dvs`	`how should I know?`
`23:26.16`	`Guerin`	`well, since they're bothe customisable...`
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`23:27.19`	`samuel`	`is there any way to ask dpkg to show me its configuration file? i dont know how to enable babelfish in the config file, and there is nothing in the web or the docs on how - also insult is disabled, now i MUST get this working`
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`23:27.56`	`vladster_`	`dds has always been a sore issue with nvidia cards`
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`23:28.17`	`adsadsad`	`hi`
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`23:28.52`	`FieldySnuts`	`dds?`
`23:29.06`	`bobby`	`can any one point out a good guide for virus scanning mail on a linux box before sending it onto a windows exchange server?`
`23:29.09`	`h2k`	`does sid's grub support reiser4`
`23:29.10`	`h2k`	`?`
`23:29.26`	`bobby`	`h2k, yes, at least on my box :)`
`23:30.51`	`adsadsad`	`i can't find the lis (linux streams) binary package, there is any around?`
`23:30.55`	`h2k`	`nice .. i wasn't far from not compiling reiser4`
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`23:33.36`	`Guerin`	`h2k: do you mean supports on /boot, or supports on / ?`
`23:34.01`	`Guerin`	`i'm pretty sure it doesn't do the former, but i know it does the latter if you have a separate /boot with a sane filesysmtem on it`
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`23:34.24`	`h2k`	`Guerin, on /boot .. i have only root partition, no for boot`
`23:34.55`	`Guerin`	`h2k: then i'd say you need to either make a /boot partition, or not use ricer4 on your /`
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`23:35.06`	`h2k`	`damn`
`23:35.08`	`Guerin`	`of course, using ricer4 for ANYTHING is asking for troubl`
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`23:35.19`	`h2k`	`or patch grub ;)`
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`23:35.33`	`Guerin`	`yeah baby, break me harder!`
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`23:37.46`	`nvz`	`went and bought a few mini bottles and got myself the closest thing to a long island iced tea you can get for less than $7 seems like it will actually make 2 or 3 drinks too.. I was only expecting one`
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`23:40.10`	`sighsagain`	`hello!`
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`23:40.16`	`NLoRD`	`hello :)`
`23:40.29`	`sighsagain`	`question! is there a way to see how much bandwidth a process is using?`
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`23:41.02`	`christor`	`Hey when the mozilla-firefox will be updated on debian , it s still the 1.0.4`
`23:41.07`	`ritch`	`sighsagain: bandwidth of what? cpu. io, ..`
`23:41.18`	`NLoRD`	`nice question sighsagain I was looking a same program`
`23:41.24`	`dvs`	`christor: in sarge, never (unless there's a security update)`
`23:41.25`	`sighsagain`	`lol bandwidth as in traffic.. for say vsftpd`
`23:41.42`	`d3fx`	`is there an easy way to have debian recognize my ethernet?`
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`23:41.50`	`d3fx`	`like, automatically?`
`23:41.51`	`ritch`	`sighsagain: iptraf, iftop`
`23:41.53`	`antgel`	`Guerin: good idea with irssi, still arcane as fuck but at least i can get used to it in less than half a year :)`
`23:41.57`	`dvs`	`d3fx: Depends on your network card.`
`23:42.03`	`d3fx`	`intel 2200`
`23:42.08`	`sighsagain`	`just current speeds ritch`
`23:42.15`	`dvs`	`ah centrino`
`23:42.16`	`antgel`	`Guerin: i've even configured it to autojoin #debian :)`
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`23:42.24`	`d3fx`	`si`
`23:42.28`	`d3fx`	`no`
`23:42.28`	`ritch`	`sighsagain: bwm (bandwitdhmonitor)`
`23:42.34`	`d3fx`	`i'm using a cat5`
`23:42.35`	`vladster_`	`its alive`
`23:42.44`	`d3fx`	`which eventually will allow me to do wireless`
`23:42.44`	`Phated`	`'aliiiiive'.`
`23:42.54`	`NLoRD`	`christor, why don't you try the ubuntu's firefox 1.0.6? it is debian package it may works`
`23:42.58`	`Phated`	`Ehm? A cat5 isn't precisely wireless.`
`23:43.02`	`d3fx`	`i know`
`23:43.07`	`sighsagain`	`yeah that does great overall! i tend to use iftop myself for that function, but not anything for a generic process?`
`23:43.09`	`d3fx`	`i'm trying to get it to work with a cat5`
`23:43.12`	`d3fx`	`not wireless right now`
`23:43.19`	`dvs`	`Phated: I thought he meant ipw2200`
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`23:43.20`	`d3fx`	`is there an easy way to get it to recognize it?`
`23:43.21`	`Wonker`	`w00t! Just wanted to say new pkgs in unstable fixed muh libfam0c102 woes! Debian rocks!`
`23:43.37`	`Phated`	`dvs: Which -is- wireless, but cat5 isn't.`
`23:43.47`	`FieldySnuts`	`well well, Mrs Obvious`
`23:43.49`	`d3fx`	`so`
`23:43.51`	`Phated`	`Ms! MS!`
`23:43.53`	`d3fx`	`how do i get it to recognize my cat5 lol`
`23:43.53`	`dvs`	`Phated: So what's an "Intel 2200"?`
`23:43.54`	`FieldySnuts`	`whatever ;)`
`23:43.59`	`ritch`	`sighsagain: hmm. nothing comes to my mind.`
`23:44.02`	`zer0`	`is it possible find out what package provides a certain file e.g. xf86vmode.h?`
`23:44.02`	`d3fx`	`thats my network card ;?`
`23:44.04`	`Phated`	`dvs: I have one, anyway.`
`23:44.11`	`Phated`	`FieldySnuts: GRR`
`23:44.12`	`christor`	`NLoRD: machine in prob:s`
`23:44.16`	`dvs`	`Phated: Is it wired or wireless?`
`23:44.21`	`d3fx`	`guys lol`
`23:44.23`	`FieldySnuts`	`Phated: hehe what are you gonna do about it :)`
`23:44.35`	`christor`	`NLoRD: in production sorry`
`23:44.41`	`d3fx`	`help me ;( lol`
`23:44.45`	`Phated`	`FieldySnuts: ... Stop snogging you.`
`23:44.47`	`ritch`	`sighsagain: i think iftop can show ports`
`23:44.49`	`FieldySnuts`	`~irritate d3fx`
`23:44.49`	`apt`	`d3fx: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh mouse !!!!`
`23:44.52`	`Wonker`	`zer0: debian package search page`
`23:44.52`	`Phated`	`dvs: Wireless.`
`23:44.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`Phated: nah. you can't resist.`
`23:44.59`	`d3fx`	`lol`
`23:45.01`	`FieldySnuts`	`run the mouse heh`
`23:45.02`	`Phated`	`FieldySnuts: Oh, yes, I ca- SNOGGLES`
`23:45.03`	`dvs`	`That's what I thought`
`23:45.07`	`FieldySnuts`	Phated: `haha
`23:45.15`	`d3fx`	`fine ill go try what it says in the manual even though it wont work ;/`
`23:45.15`	`zer0`	`thanks`
`23:45.16`	`d3fx`	`brb`
`23:45.16`	`crispynix-v6`	`zer0: dpkg -S file`
`23:45.29`	`dvs`	`So d3fx can't have a cat5 cable connected to an Intel 2200`
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`23:45.38`	`Wonker`	`zer0: or what crispy said if th epackage is installed on your system`
`23:45.48`	`Wonker`	`or google filename debian usually works`
`23:46.03`	`Phated`	`No, he can't. He must be trying to connect a physical connection to get something to help him get ipw2200 working.`
`23:46.06`	`asuffield`	`okay, that's enough, you two are going on fleshbot`
`23:46.45`	`Phated`	`phleshes, too.`
`23:46.58`	`jetscreamer`	`ooo a phlesher with a raincoat`
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`23:47.11`	`asuffield`	`Phated: go ahead, show as much as you want`
`23:47.13`	`dvs`	`no... a reigncoat`
`23:47.17`	`Phated`	`Who said anything about a raincoat?`
`23:47.34`	`FieldySnuts`	`neener i'm allowed`
`23:47.38`	`Phated`	`EEP`
`23:47.51`	`NLoRD`	`I am looking for a program that can control my adsl's traffic, for example I want to have the choise to set azureus at 12K/s download, firefox 5k/s download, ftpd 4kb/s upload ...`
`23:47.52`	`FieldySnuts`	`~date Phated`
`23:47.58`	`FieldySnuts`	`apt: test`
`23:47.58`	`apt`	`Test Passed!`
`23:48.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`see, someone is definatelyd eleting shit`
`23:48.07`	`FieldySnuts`	`cocks`
`23:48.08`	`Phated`	`shake it oh shake it you can't date me`
`23:48.09`	`jetscreamer`	`i was thinking a nice london fog, maybe a necklace...`
`23:48.18`	`FieldySnuts`	`@date Phated`
`23:48.33`	`asuffield`	`I don't want to date you, I want to film you in a torrid lesbian love scene and sell the tape on the internet for millions`
`23:48.36`	`Phated`	`Kiiitteeeens... smelly kitteeeeeens`
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`23:48.46`	`FieldySnuts`	`tough shit`
`23:48.54`	`Phated`	`Torrid and love don't go very well together, do they.`
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`23:49.19`	`antgel`	`ok after all that, i did have a question for y'all, but forgotten it...`
`23:49.19`	`jetscreamer`	`btdownloadmanycurses --torridloveaffair`
`23:49.22`	`asuffield`	`Phated: you seriously need to pick better boyfriends`
`23:49.23`	`antgel`	`!ask`
`23:49.23`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
`23:49.27`	`antgel`	`hmm`
`23:49.30`	`Phated`	`asuffield: Pah.`
`23:49.34`	`Wonker`	`ho-k, major newbie debian package building question: what is the fastest way to epoch or increment a package version number when using dpkg-buildpackage (I am patching a current debian packge)`
`23:49.35`	`ritch`	`NLoRD: CBQ`
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`23:49.38`	`doub`	`Phated: it all depends on the kind of love you think about`
`23:50.13`	`d0s4gw`	`is there a way to get the jvm 1.5 through apt and have it configure itself without any headaches?`
`23:50.22`	`NLoRD`	`thank you ritch :)`
`23:50.49`	`antgel`	`!tell d0s4gw about java`
`23:51.03`	`antgel`	`!tell d0s4gw about install java`
`23:51.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`@fuck 1.5`
`23:51.10`	`ritch`	`NLoRD: np`
`23:51.13`	`Phated`	`Eek.`
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`23:51.36`	`FieldySnuts`	`Phated: hi :)`
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`23:52.36`	`Reilithion`	`Yay! I'm actually connected on my new laptop!`
`23:52.47`	`antgel`	`ah, that's it. i'd like to setup procmail and there is an odd little thing that i's like to sort.`
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`23:53.08`	`usuario`	`Hola`
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`23:53.51`	`usuario`	`Necesito ayuda con linux`
`23:54.05`	`antgel`	`i've reconfigured PAM to set $MAIL to ~/Maildir rather than /var/mail/username. this works, bash tells me when i have mail etc. but procmail -v reckons that my system mailbox is /var/mail/username. what gives? i know i can set DEFAULT in .procmailrc, but i shouldn't have to do that.`
`23:54.13`	`beardy`	`!es`
`23:54.13`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`23:54.29`	`avrfreaky`	`how to play .mov files in tha debian distro?`
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`23:54.52`	`samuel`	`usuario, puedes pedir ayuda en espa�ol en #debian-es`
`23:55.04`	`samuel`	`aqui todo es ingles`
`23:55.08`	`postel`	`mplayer plays almost any codec known to man`
`23:55.15`	`postel`	`use the marillat rep and get it`
`23:55.22`	`dvs`	`antgel: You have to set the MAILDIR variable in .procmailrd`
`23:55.27`	`dvs`	`.procmailrc`
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`23:55.56`	`cddesjar`	`is there a sid installer?`
`23:56.05`	`dvs`	`cddesjar: no`
`23:56.18`	`cddesjar`	`so would i need to install sarge then upgrade to sid?`
`23:56.24`	`dvs`	`cddesjar: yes`
`23:56.31`	`cddesjar`	`ok`
`23:56.32`	`antgel`	`dvs: procmail -v still reports my system mailbox as /var/mail/antony.`
`23:56.32`	`ritch`	`avrfreaky: you'll need codecs and an playere like mplayer. debs are at http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat`
`23:56.54`	`dvs`	`antgel: Update the DEFAULT variable to $MAILDIR/`
`23:57.01`	`dvs`	`antgel: after MAILDIR=`
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`23:57.33`	`antgel`	`dvs: ok, i know i can do that, but why should i have to set DEFAULT if $MAIL is correct? where's it getting /var/mail from?`
`23:57.34`	`dvs`	`antgel: My MAILDIR is "$HOME/Maildir"`
`23:57.43`	`antgel`	`dvs: mine too`
`23:58.02`	`dvs`	`antgel: internal default`
`23:58.08`	`dvs`	`antgel: when it was compiled`
`23:58.32`	`antgel`	`dvs: doh. i'd call this a bug, what do you think?`
`23:58.32`	`cddesjar`	`i should be able to install sid via a snapshot though`
`23:58.45`	`dvs`	`antgel: Not to me. If I can get around it.`
`23:58.56`	`sussudio`	`mreh. some fucking asshole msg'ed me`
`23:59.03`	`dvs`	`sorry ;-)`
`23:59.11`	`dvs`	`just kidding`
`23:59.16`	`*** join/#debian csparlin (i=csparlin@68-187-186-016.dhcp.mant.nc.charter.com)`
`23:59.49`	`antgel`	`dvs: i suppose, although it seems that my system mailbox is not something that should be defined at compile time. i've never even met the package maintainer. :)`

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