| 00:00.13 | bobby | can any one point out a good guide for virus scanning mail on a linux box before sending it onto a windows exchange server? |
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| 00:00.27 | Phated | amavis or clamav, prolly. |
| 00:00.42 | antgel | dvs: i've just set DEFAULT but -v still reports /var. reckon that -v ignores .procmailrc? |
| 00:00.43 | ritch | i prefer clamav |
| 00:00.58 | bobby | how do you move it through clamav? |
| 00:01.05 | dvs | antgel: No clue |
| 00:01.16 | antgel | bobby: there's a million guides on google with clamav and exim |
| 00:01.24 | antgel | bobby: it's a piece of piss |
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| 00:01.29 | bobby | thanks antgel |
| 00:01.36 | ritch | bobby: mails? exiscan RTFM - there are some guides at google |
| 00:01.49 | Buddha| | Is Debian available for Amd64? I don't see it listed in the mirrors. |
| 00:02.03 | antgel | !tell Buddha| about amd64 |
| 00:02.16 | antgel | !procmail |
| 00:02.16 | dpkg | somebody said procmail was the ultimate way to process your incoming mail into folders, feed it to external programs, and so on. http://www.procmail.org/, or ask me about procmail tutorial |
| 00:02.22 | bobby | I did RTFM :P just not the right one |
| 00:02.35 | bobby | thanks |
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| 00:02.46 | Reilithion | Is there any reason I shouldn't bind portmap to the loopback address? I don't know what RPC services are, so I don't know if I need it. |
| 00:02.48 | dimitri | alright, this question has nothing to do with debian (tough I am writing an howto for debian) and I have a language translation difficulty. I am french and what I want to say is: "a ce stage, le candidat doit etre eclaire": at this stage, the reader -of this howto- must be *** = all his questions must be answered. |
| 00:03.01 | ritch | bobby: there are (like it allways is in linux) a lot of possible ways to go. |
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| 00:03.40 | dimitri | any suugestions anyone ? |
| 00:03.58 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 00:03.58 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and a dozen rabid kittens. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 00:03.58 | antgel | bobby: clue - install the packages and add the line av_scanner = clamd:/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl somewhere suitable :) |
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| 00:04.10 | bobby | ritch, yes - which is why it is so hard to work out which the best application for our needs will be |
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| 00:04.24 | d3fx | well thats fucking nice |
| 00:04.39 | d3fx | ipw2200 doesn't work with kernel ver 2.6 |
| 00:04.45 | dvs | antgel: Are you using postfix? |
| 00:04.50 | d3fx | err |
| 00:04.53 | d3fx | doesnt work with 2.4 i mean |
| 00:04.56 | d3fx | needs 2.6 |
| 00:04.58 | bobby | antgel, does exim allow us to set content rules/content filtering on mail as well? |
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| 00:05.03 | antgel | dvs: nope, exim, why? |
| 00:05.03 | Shadowcat | d3fx: so? |
| 00:05.03 | d3fx | so does that mean i need to rebuild kernel or what? |
| 00:05.08 | ritch | bobby: type clamav and your MTA into googles line and press enter. eventually add "debian" too :) |
| 00:05.13 | d3fx | i don't know what i'm doing =[ |
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| 00:05.23 | bobby | okie will do |
| 00:05.26 | dvs | antgel: I had to add a line to my main.cf file for postfix to get it to work with procmail |
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| 00:05.42 | dvs | d3fx: You can install Debian's 2.6 kernel. |
| 00:05.46 | antgel | bobby: i'm fucked if i know. we run a spam / virus gateway and just use spamassassin and clamav with fairly default settings. also NB freshclam |
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| 00:05.53 | d3fx | how? |
| 00:05.59 | Xeros | hey, I just installed a debian system and i'm having problems getting the sound working |
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| 00:06.07 | dvs | d3fx: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 00:06.10 | ritch | bobby: sometimes it's worth reading the docs that came with your MTA (/usr/share/doc/<name>) |
| 00:06.11 | d3fx | k sec |
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| 00:06.29 | dvs | Xeros: Sorry, can't hear you |
| 00:06.42 | Xeros | lol |
| 00:06.44 | d3fx | dvs after that i need to do what? |
| 00:06.45 | osama | hi, i need to start up 20 uml sessions at the same time (to test the load on a server), but for this i need to write a script so that it goes through 20 terminals and puts in the uml command to start , how do i do this? thanks for the help |
| 00:06.47 | d3fx | do i just reboot or what? |
| 00:06.56 | dvs | d3fx: Yup. |
| 00:07.02 | d3fx | kewl |
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| 00:07.20 | antgel | dvs: aha. i haven't tested it yet. i haven't used procmail for a couple of years, been using thunderbird as we deploy it for customers. now i'm going back to real tools i.e. mutt and i need my mail filtered _not_ by TB. |
| 00:07.21 | d3fx | i thought that was going to be a huge thing |
| 00:07.35 | d3fx | oh also |
| 00:07.45 | dvs | d3fx: Only if you run into trouble ;-) |
| 00:07.52 | d3fx | what the hell is the command to install bitchx? |
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| 00:08.00 | Xeros | apt-get install bitchx |
| 00:08.04 | dvs | d3fx: Hmmm.. let me think... |
| 00:08.09 | d3fx | that didnt work |
| 00:08.24 | ritch | error? |
| 00:08.25 | dvs | d3fx: apt-cache search bitchx first |
| 00:08.30 | d3fx | hm i just |
| 00:08.32 | Xeros | works for me |
| 00:08.35 | d3fx | ran into a problem dvs |
| 00:08.41 | d3fx | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 00:08.49 | ritch | oops |
| 00:08.53 | d3fx | and before that: /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 00:08.55 | Xeros | d3fx: make sure you're logged as root |
| 00:09.00 | Xeros | ..? |
| 00:09.07 | d3fx | this is on reboot |
| 00:09.13 | osama | i need to start up 20 uml sessions at the same time (to test the load on a server), but for this i need to write a script so that it goes through 20 terminals and puts in the uml command to start , how do i do this? thanks for the help |
| 00:09.19 | d3fx | its kinda like frozen now |
| 00:09.31 | dvs | d3fx: You use grub? |
| 00:09.33 | ritch | you've forgotten something. is this a selfrolled? |
| 00:09.34 | d3fx | ues |
| 00:09.36 | d3fx | yes* |
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| 00:10.05 | dvs | d3fx: At least you can still boot your old kernel in the meantime |
| 00:10.14 | d3fx | um |
| 00:10.24 | d3fx | actually i just rebooted and it automatically went to this one |
| 00:10.28 | dvs | d3fx: Did it install the module-init-tools package? |
| 00:10.31 | daedalus_ | osama: clusterssh? |
| 00:10.34 | d3fx | i have no idea |
| 00:10.37 | d3fx | i think so |
| 00:10.40 | d3fx | wait there |
| 00:10.45 | d3fx | k i booted the old kernel |
| 00:10.51 | d3fx | :( |
| 00:10.59 | dvs | d3fx: Did that work? |
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| 00:11.08 | d3fx | brb sec |
| 00:11.13 | d3fx | well no it booted old kernel |
| 00:11.15 | d3fx | i need new one lol |
| 00:11.15 | d3fx | brb |
| 00:11.31 | osama | daedalus: where can i get clusterssh? no clue what it is |
| 00:11.38 | FieldySnuts | google? |
| 00:11.46 | daedalus_ | osama: it's in apt. You can google for into |
| 00:11.49 | daedalus_ | !info clusterssh |
| 00:11.51 | dpkg | clusterssh: (administer multiple ssh or rsh shells simultaneously), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.17.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 00:11.59 | antgel | dvs: that didn't go too well. it dropped the mail in ~/Maildir, but with a funny filename msg._NZYC, and _not_ in the cur folder. |
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| 00:12.07 | daedalus_ | osama: also in sarge |
| 00:12.19 | osama | daedalus: sweet thanks |
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| 00:12.29 | dvs | antgel: Did you put that last slash at the end of the DEFAULT value? |
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| 00:13.04 | Roses | ack, when I boot it hangs with "LI", happened after an apt-get -u upgrade. Kernel is still 2.4.18 but I have /boot/debian.bmp -> /boot/sarge.bmp - any hope for me? |
| 00:13.15 | antgel | dvs: no. should it be at the end of MAILDIR as well? |
| 00:13.20 | dvs | antgel: No |
| 00:13.25 | antgel | dvs: i recall something about this in the docs :) |
| 00:13.43 | daedalus_ | Roses: yikes. Lilo didn't properly transferr to stage 2 boot... got a rescue disk on hand? |
| 00:13.47 | antgel | dvs: i now have DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/ |
| 00:13.53 | greg_work | ahha, i didn't think i dropped this drive! have a usb 3.5" enclosure, aluminum, has a "// hi-speed" logo on it. it was making the drive make a clicking noise, and wouldn't mount.. just put a brand new drive in (right out of the static bag), same problem. anyone else have one of these things? |
| 00:14.03 | dvs | antgel: That's good |
| 00:14.07 | ritch | Roses: boot the cd with "rescue root=/dev/<rootpartitiion>" |
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| 00:14.33 | greg_work | my roommate had one, that he had on a windows system. he stopped using it, because everytime he left something on the drive for a while, it would get corrupt .. nothing LOOKED wrong, but video, etc, wouldn't play. multiple drives did the same thing |
| 00:14.36 | yoo | !bDVD |
| 00:14.37 | Roses | daedalus: I thought so, but the disk gives an error :o( |
| 00:14.41 | yoo | !DVD |
| 00:14.41 | dpkg | hmm... dvd is use xine or ogle to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss |
| 00:14.51 | yoo | !burn |
| 00:14.51 | antgel | dvs: it sure is. :) |
| 00:14.53 | antgel | thanks |
| 00:15.04 | yoo | !dvdrecord |
| 00:15.04 | dpkg | from memory, dvdrecord is a hacked version of cdrecord within dvdrtools able to burn dvds |
| 00:15.08 | dvs | antgel: Huh? It actually worked?!? |
| 00:15.14 | daedalus_ | yoo: /msg dpkg |
| 00:15.15 | ritch | Roses: I think it might be "linux root=/dev/<root>" with sarge. |
| 00:15.37 | ritch | Roses: the cd is dead? |
| 00:15.45 | Roses | ritch: which CD? |
| 00:16.06 | ritch | Roses: the cd to boot from |
| 00:16.11 | ritch | Roses: the install cd |
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| 00:16.41 | yoo | Somebody have trouble with burning DVD+R with growisofs ? |
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| 00:16.58 | antgel | !tell yoo about ask |
| 00:16.59 | yoo | i just can burn DVD+RW not DVD+R |
| 00:17.05 | ritch | yoo: no. works perfect :) |
| 00:17.09 | Roses | ritch: thanks, I will try that |
| 00:17.25 | yoo | oh ! good for you ! |
| 00:17.51 | rking | anyone know what encoding a string would be in if it started like this: 'f' 'o' 'รถ' and became this: 'f', 'o', '\xf6' ? |
| 00:18.05 | ritch | Roses: when the prompt comes up type in "linux root=/dev/hd<letter><nr>" |
| 00:18.15 | ritch | yoo: you asked |
| 00:18.40 | ritch | yoo: where does it hang? |
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| 00:19.31 | yoo | i can't burn DVD+R with k3b and graveman |
| 00:19.38 | LSorense | yoo: which drive? |
| 00:19.43 | witch | rking: utf8 |
| 00:19.45 | yoo | i have a input/output error |
| 00:19.46 | LSorense | yoo: does it work from command line? |
| 00:19.56 | ritch | yoo: i've never tried. i burn them with growisofs |
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| 00:20.06 | yoo | i don't try with command lines |
| 00:20.07 | rking | witch: nope - utf8 would be 'f', 'o', '\xc3', '\xb6' |
| 00:20.15 | LSorense | yoo: some drives don't like crtain brands of discs either |
| 00:20.22 | ritch | yoo: turn off dma. burn slower |
| 00:20.24 | witch | <<LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS>> |
| 00:21.09 | yoo | i have a lot of .avi to burning |
| 00:21.16 | witch | rking: you can create that as one character in utf8 and as two |
| 00:21.18 | yoo | my device is hdc |
| 00:21.30 | PoTonberry | I feel silly, but I can't figure out how to get a "w32codecs" (or "win32codecs"?) package. I tried Synaptic with "main contrib non-free" in "testing", but wasn't there. Is this not a Debian package, or am I looking in the wrong place? I'm new to the Debian way of doing things. |
| 00:21.55 | LSorense | yoo: both dvd-r, dvd-rw, dvd+r and dvd+RW works with my drive using growisofs from the command line. te gui shouldn't make a difference. some times I know some drives hate some brands of discs. having up to date firmware on the drive sometimes helps |
| 00:22.30 | rking | witch: hrm... well, look at this output of unicode -x f6: U+00F6 LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS UTF-8: c3 b6 UTF-16BE: 00f6 Decimal: ö |
| 00:22.46 | rking | witch: see where it says "utf-8: c3 b6"? that's right. |
| 00:22.50 | yoo | ok LSorense |
| 00:23.07 | ritch | yoo: man growisofs, it's like: growisofs -speed=2 -Z /dev/dvd /some/files/ |
| 00:23.08 | yoo | i tried more slowly without theDMA |
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| 00:23.33 | antgel | PoTonberry: it's in contrib or non-free afaik |
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| 00:23.50 | antgel | PoTonberry: or marilliat |
| 00:23.51 | rking | witch: i know the format is really close to UTF-16, but it's not quite... because this stuff isn't double-bytes from front to end. e.g., utf-16 would be '\0' 'f' '\0' 'o' '\0' '\f6' |
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| 00:24.08 | yoo | ritch and with a lot of files ? |
| 00:24.15 | yoo | How to seperate them ? |
| 00:24.29 | yoo | i have several .avi in the same directory |
| 00:24.33 | ritch | yoo: you can get about 4.5 GB on a dvd |
| 00:24.46 | ritch | yoo: 4.45? |
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| 00:24.52 | yoo | yes |
| 00:25.15 | ritch | yoo: seperate? |
| 00:25.26 | yoo | but i mean : growisofs -speed=2 -Z /dev/dvd /some/file1 file2 file3 |
| 00:25.36 | ritch | yes |
| 00:25.41 | yoo | but i mean : growisofs -speed=2 -Z /dev/dvd /some/file1,file2, file3 |
| 00:25.45 | witch | if I make my terminal use utf-8 and type ๖ instead of your character, I still get the same result |
| 00:25.46 | yoo | or soory |
| 00:26.01 | yoo | I'm french people so bad english :) |
| 00:26.24 | PoTonberry | antgel: Thanks, I'm not familiar with marilliat, so I'll check that out. |
| 00:26.39 | antgel | !tell PoTonberry about marilliat |
| 00:26.41 | Roses | ritch: I do not have a rescue disk (has been upgraded with apt-get since potato) - but I have the disk mounted onthis box - is it possible to recover the boot from this box? (Otherwise, I will just get a debian CD) |
| 00:26.57 | antgel | PoTonberry: not sure if i spelt it correctly |
| 00:27.19 | antgel | !tell PoTonberry about marillat |
| 00:27.27 | antgel | that's the spirit |
| 00:27.29 | PoTonberry | antgel: there we go |
| 00:27.39 | ritch | Roses: you'll just have to get a bootable thing with a recent kernel for your machine. a floppy, cdrom, usbstick .. whatever. |
| 00:28.19 | witch | rking: -bash: unicode: command not found |
| 00:28.30 | ritch | Roses: at the commandline (lilo-like) type linux with the command-line-option "root=<whereyourrootdeviceis> |
| 00:28.34 | antgel | if i have maildirs with spaces in their names, can i rename them at a filesystem level with no corruption anywhere? |
| 00:28.34 | witch | I used u8names |
| 00:29.06 | LSorense | Roses: you have to run the lilo command after changes to /boot such as upgrading lilo. |
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| 00:29.21 | ritch | Roses: if you don't have such a thing, get a netinstallcd or a boot and rootfloppy from www.debian.org |
| 00:29.21 | Roses | ritch: okay, thanks, I will burn a CD then |
| 00:29.23 | LSorense | Roses: a grub floppy might be the simplest way to boot the system and fix it |
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| 00:30.10 | rking | witch: apt-get install unicode |
| 00:30.17 | TeamGuard | Hey guys, I've been trying to install an eggdrop, and I've got some errors, the Tcl header wasnt found during the ./configure.. could anyone tell me how to obtain it? thanks |
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| 00:30.49 | LSorense | TeamGuard: install tcl8.4-dev or something like it |
| 00:30.51 | rking | witch: where are you getting u8names from? i don't see it in apt-cache search |
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| 00:31.27 | yoo | ritch, the same error |
| 00:31.33 | TeamGuard | LSorense, I shall try. thank you |
| 00:31.59 | LSorense | yoo: have you checked if the drive has the latest firmware? |
| 00:32.07 | ritch | yoo: might be the medium. |
| 00:32.12 | yoo | INFO: ISO-8859-15 character encoding detected by locale settings. |
| 00:32.13 | LSorense | ritch: most likely |
| 00:32.18 | TeamGuard | LSorense, it worked, thanks a bunch |
| 00:32.19 | yoo | Assuming ISO-8859-15 encoded filenames on source filesystem, |
| 00:32.21 | bier | hi guys, i need some help with 'lirc-modules-sourcer'. it just won't compile. i get this error: "/usr/src/linux/ is not a valid kernel source tree."... but it must be valid, i am running this kernel right now (2.6.12.3)? hmm... what could be wrong? |
| 00:32.25 | yoo | use -input-charset to override. |
| 00:32.30 | mrgenixus | I'm having problems getting an inspiron 9300 to load debian, the cdrom drive and etherent aren't detected, ubuntu seems to be able to do both on a 2.6.10 kernel |
| 00:32.35 | bier | sorry, 'lirc-modules-source' |
| 00:32.43 | yoo | :-( write failed: Input/output error |
| 00:32.46 | LSorense | bier: maybe the sources don't like one of the many changes in 2.6.12 |
| 00:32.47 | dvs | bier: does the /usr/src/linux directory exist? |
| 00:32.53 | mrgenixus | bier: have installed the kernel's source? |
| 00:33.10 | mrgenixus | bier: e.g apt-get install kernel-source-your.version ? |
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| 00:33.16 | bier | dvs: of course, it is linked to /usr/src/linux-2.6.12.3 |
| 00:33.16 | ritch | yoo: and DVD+RW works? |
| 00:33.24 | LSorense | mrgenixus: tried both 2.4 and 2.6 kernel on the installer? |
| 00:33.37 | mrgenixus | LSorense: um, only 2.6 |
| 00:33.38 | bier | it's a kernel from kernel.org, it is compiled and runs |
| 00:33.47 | LSorense | mrgenixus: is it pretty new? |
| 00:33.50 | yoo | ritch : yes |
| 00:34.04 | yoo | i have this erroe also : mkisofs: No such file or directory. Invalid node - episode-12.avi |
| 00:34.09 | LSorense | yoo: upgrade drive firmware or buy a different brand of dvd+r discs |
| 00:34.21 | yoo | LSorense, ok |
| 00:34.23 | LSorense | yoo: but if you burn the SAME files to dvd+rw it works? |
| 00:34.36 | yoo | i have already download firmware :) |
| 00:34.42 | yoo | yes |
| 00:34.45 | LSorense | yoo: so it is up to date then? |
| 00:34.49 | ritch | yoo: hmm. not_so_funny. might be the medium. is it a fresh one? |
| 00:34.50 | yoo | the same file |
| 00:35.00 | yoo | yes |
| 00:35.05 | LSorense | yoo: well I have some 8x discs at work that by 16x drive will only do at 2x. it hatest them |
| 00:35.11 | yoo | i try another |
| 00:35.12 | yoo | wait |
| 00:35.26 | LSorense | meanwhile my 4x discs burn at 6x. |
| 00:35.38 | ritch | yoo: try a +RW first |
| 00:35.45 | yoo | How to upgrade a .exe firmware on my debian ? |
| 00:35.48 | yoo | wine ? |
| 00:35.50 | LSorense | yoo: you can't |
| 00:35.54 | LSorense | yoo: you run windows |
| 00:36.00 | yoo | oki |
| 00:36.03 | LSorense | yoo: unless you have a plextor you can't upgrade firmware from linux |
| 00:36.20 | yoo | oki |
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| 00:36.58 | yoo | i have the LG GSA-4163B |
| 00:37.17 | fabricio_angra | Hi everyone, i am from Brazil |
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| 00:37.37 | equex | why does all brazilians point that out |
| 00:37.40 | Anders | !br |
| 00:37.40 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:38.55 | LightHands | hello all |
| 00:39.02 | LightHands | <formerly ArtistAgent |
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| 00:40.14 | ritch | yoo: is there a file larger than 2.2Gigs? |
| 00:40.21 | yoo | yes |
| 00:40.28 | ritch | yoo: ohoh |
| 00:40.33 | LSorense | yoo: mkisofs doesn'tdeal with files over 2GB |
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| 00:40.50 | yoo | oh fuck |
| 00:40.51 | Xeros | lol@Roses |
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| 00:41.03 | LightHands | hello Roses |
| 00:41.03 | ritch | yoo: 2.6 ide-driver has troubles when writing files larger than that (i've heard) |
| 00:41.10 | LSorense | yoo: neither does most systems (windows often can't deal with them) |
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| 00:41.26 | yoo | but why i can burn a 4.4 GO DVD+RW ? |
| 00:41.31 | LSorense | yoo: DVD's have files split into 1GB pieces |
| 00:41.47 | LSorense | yoo: doesn't make sense that you can burn them to dvd+rw unless you are writing different files |
| 00:42.08 | witch | now he is away... it was latin1 ;-) |
| 00:42.18 | LSorense | yoo: you can put 4.4GB on the disc, but each file you put on should be less than 2GB in size |
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| 00:42.31 | yoo | oki |
| 00:42.46 | yoo | depend of my burn process |
| 00:42.51 | LSorense | yoo: I haven't seen a 2.2GB avi ever, but I guess it could be made |
| 00:42.53 | yoo | DAO ..... |
| 00:42.54 | witch | if rking comes back, someone migth tell him |
| 00:43.19 | yoo | no i put on a DVD several little film |
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| 00:43.48 | LSorense | yoo: well it might be drive doesn't like the brand of dvd then |
| 00:43.52 | yoo | the episodes of the twilling zone :) |
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| 00:44.13 | yoo | yes i think |
| 00:44.14 | Fluten | where would be a good place to find a usb sound card that works with linux, and is also inexpensive? the ones i have seen that are inexpensive are hard to match to the linux kernels |
| 00:44.17 | ritch | yoo: if the error shows up at the beginning of the write process - this might _not_ be the trouble you're in. |
| 00:44.28 | antgel | dvs: care to take a look at something in #flood? |
| 00:44.35 | dvs | Fluten: Most Creative ones. |
| 00:44.38 | yoo | my eror is in the beginning of process |
| 00:44.50 | dvs | antgel: Use paster |
| 00:44.50 | witch | dude. Why didn't I notice earlier that =F6 is ๖ in mime encoding |
| 00:44.54 | LSorense | Fluten: pretty much any usb audio device should work if it doesn't require special drivers. usb speakers, usb microphones, etc should just work |
| 00:45.08 | ritch | yoo: if the same happens to a +RW then it's your problem. but you said +RW would be alright? |
| 00:45.15 | LSorense | Fluten: things like the audigy LS on the other hand may be more work to find a driver for |
| 00:45.18 | yoo | yes |
| 00:45.28 | ritch | yoo: with big files too? |
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| 00:45.49 | dvs | Fluten: You'll have better luck with the older ones. |
| 00:46.07 | yoo | ritch |
| 00:46.08 | LSorense | Fluten: what do you want it to do? |
| 00:46.21 | ritch | yoo: wha'? |
| 00:46.26 | Fluten | LSorense, looking for an extra card to use soundmodem with |
| 00:46.26 | yoo | i can to see you my error files in k3b ? |
| 00:46.35 | PoTonberry | antgel: Worked like a dove. Thanks! |
| 00:46.42 | LSorense | Fluten: what is sound modem? |
| 00:46.59 | Fluten | LSorense, it imitates a modem used with ham radio |
| 00:47.00 | LSorense | yoo: you could paste the error in #flood |
| 00:47.01 | yoo | on #flood |
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| 00:47.08 | d3fx | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 00:47.08 | LSorense | Fluten: ahhh. |
| 00:47.14 | d3fx | anyone know why i get that when i try to start up my 2.6 kern? |
| 00:47.16 | ritch | yoo: i dont even know k3b. io-error usually means some trouble with the medium. |
| 00:47.20 | LSorense | Fluten: so you want something with lineinout |
| 00:47.43 | LSorense | d3fx: usually means about 5 or 10 lines above it failed to mount root |
| 00:47.59 | d3fx | how do i fix? |
| 00:48.05 | dvs | d3fx: Did specify the init file? |
| 00:48.10 | d3fx | no |
| 00:48.18 | LSorense | d3fx: you make sure the initrd contains the right drivers for your hd controller |
| 00:48.20 | ritch | d3fx: have you everything you need in your kernel? if it's selfrolled - doublecheck. |
| 00:48.20 | d3fx | i'm trying another 2.6 now, 686 instead of 386 |
| 00:48.21 | antgel | dvs: http://channels.debian.net/paste/468 |
| 00:48.24 | Fluten | maybe i'll just get the external sound blaster live, and use that for sound and my internal laptop's card for the modem, since it will have lower latency |
| 00:48.31 | LSorense | d3fx: which kernel package did you install> |
| 00:48.46 | d3fx | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 00:48.48 | d3fx | im trying -686 now |
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| 00:48.57 | LSorense | d3fx:so -386 works but -686 doesn't? |
| 00:48.58 | d3fx | do i need to do anything before i reboot? |
| 00:49.01 | Fluten | is it easy in linux to tell apps which sound card to use? |
| 00:49.05 | d3fx | no, 386 didnt work |
| 00:49.10 | d3fx | right now i have 2.4 |
| 00:49.13 | ritch | d3fx: what bootloader to you use? |
| 00:49.15 | LSorense | d3fx: well then I am not surprised 686 doesn't either |
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| 00:49.17 | d3fx | grub |
| 00:49.19 | antgel | dvs: this is an old procmail receipe that sorted mailing lists into the right mbox. any idea how to modify for maildir? i didn't write the rule myself. |
| 00:49.19 | dvs | antgel: Hey. I'm not that good with procmail |
| 00:49.20 | d3fx | or whatever |
| 00:49.28 | d3fx | err |
| 00:49.29 | LSorense | d3fx:did it add the new kernels to the menu automatically? |
| 00:49.32 | d3fx | wait sorry LSorense |
| 00:49.33 | antgel | dvs: could have fooled me, thanks anyway :) |
| 00:49.35 | LSorense | d3fx: do you have ide or sata? |
| 00:49.41 | d3fx | im trying 686 now |
| 00:49.43 | d3fx | 386 did not work |
| 00:49.47 | yoo | look on #flood |
| 00:49.50 | ritch | d3fx: don't know grub - should be done automagicaly. be sure a initrd is written to the grub config |
| 00:49.55 | d3fx | ok |
| 00:49.55 | dvs | d3fx: Oh. I know a maildir must have a slash at the end of the name. |
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| 00:50.25 | d3fx | i just got the same error on 686 |
| 00:50.34 | d3fx | dvs: what's that have to do with it? |
| 00:50.38 | LSorense | yoo: are you burning to a fresh blank dvd? |
| 00:50.47 | dvs | d3fx: Oops! Wrong person. |
| 00:50.51 | d3fx | lol |
| 00:50.51 | d3fx | k |
| 00:51.01 | d3fx | ok so now im back in 2.4 |
| 00:51.04 | dvs | antgel_: Try adding a slash to the end of the mailbox name. |
| 00:51.15 | LSorense | yoo: and why ever is it using overburn? I don't like the look of what k3b is trying to do |
| 00:51.27 | LSorense | d3fx: wall what kind of hd do you have? |
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| 00:51.49 | d3fx | ooh |
| 00:51.49 | d3fx | http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-precision/2005-July/000587.html |
| 00:51.51 | d3fx | sec |
| 00:52.03 | LightHands | hello all ok heres a problem not enough room on the hd to run an install, but is there a way to delete windows files from the live session? also not enough room to run a file manager in gui any takers? :) |
| 00:52.04 | LSorense | d3fx: if it has sata, expect trouble wen moving to 2.6 |
| 00:52.04 | ritch | d3fx: apt-get install modules-init-tools udev |
| 00:52.13 | LSorense | ritch: no, udev is evil |
| 00:52.16 | yoo | LSorense : i try another DVD+R and i retry overburning option |
| 00:52.25 | dvs | LSorense: says who? |
| 00:52.29 | LSorense | yoo: I would never use overburn. it is not supposed to work |
| 00:52.35 | ritch | LSorense: i don't use it - but it works till 2.6.12 |
| 00:52.37 | d3fx | thats the same thing i'm doing/same errors im getting |
| 00:52.44 | LSorense | dvs: well given the trouble it has caused lately I say wait until it's stable and works |
| 00:53.09 | d3fx | so uh |
| 00:53.12 | d3fx | any idea what i can do? |
| 00:53.15 | ritch | yoo: overburn will not likely solve anything |
| 00:53.27 | Xeros | still can't get my audio working |
| 00:53.34 | dvs | d3fx: I'm pretty sure that the initrd for the 2.6 kernel isn't specified. |
| 00:53.44 | d3fx | how do i fix that? |
| 00:53.53 | ritch | d3fx: check your grub config |
| 00:53.57 | LSorense | d3fx: do you have a machine with sata harddisk? |
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| 00:54.07 | d3fx | LSorense: is there an easy way to check? :p |
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| 00:54.17 | LSorense | d3fx: usually you would know from the specs of the machine |
| 00:54.24 | d3fx | inspiron 6000 |
| 00:54.24 | LSorense | d3fx: what brand/model is it |
| 00:54.28 | d3fx | let me look at dells site, sec |
| 00:54.36 | dvs | Oh. A laptop |
| 00:54.36 | LSorense | d3fx: oh bloody @$@$@#$#@$#@ proprietary shit dells |
| 00:54.39 | ritch | d3fx: the initrd image in /boot has to mentioned there. |
| 00:54.45 | d3fx | :O |
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| 00:54.57 | LSorense | people: stop buying @#$@#$ dells |
| 00:55.00 | ritch | d3fx: i don't use grub, so i can't tell you where it is |
| 00:55.04 | Anders | LSorense, my dell works fine with Linux |
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| 00:55.06 | dvs | Why the #*#*$*# not? |
| 00:55.09 | Anders | it's a laptop, inspiron 1150 |
| 00:55.27 | LSorense | d3fx: most like it is sata, and you have to change fstab and a bunch of other things, or you should isntall using 2.6 kernel in the first place so the isntaller takes care of it all |
| 00:55.28 | Anders | everything is supported |
| 00:55.31 | d3fx | hm |
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| 00:55.37 | d3fx | uh |
| 00:55.41 | d3fx | in /boot i have |
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| 00:55.46 | d3fx | config-2.6* |
| 00:55.50 | d3fx | and initrd.img-2.6* |
| 00:55.54 | ritch | yes |
| 00:55.57 | d3fx | anything i can change in there that will fix it? |
| 00:56.15 | dvs | d3fx: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:56.18 | LSorense | d3fx: dell has started using sata disks on many laptops, and they run it in combined emulation mode, which doesn't work with linux fully, and they won't give a bios option like everyone else does to set the controller into normal mode |
| 00:56.19 | d3fx | ok |
| 00:56.20 | ritch | yoo: what does /etc/grubXXX say? |
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| 00:56.38 | LSorense | d3fx: We have one at work like that, and with 2.4 kernel it works ok, with 2.6 I can get either the hd or the cdrom |
| 00:56.42 | yoo | grub ? |
| 00:56.43 | d3fx | what do i change in there, dvs? |
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| 00:56.46 | ritch | yoo: ahh, forget it. |
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| 00:57.05 | dvs | d3fx: Wish I know exactly. I havent used initrd for a long time. |
| 00:57.05 | boukensya | hey guys. I am on a box that denies ssh access from everything except one ip address (not sure how it was done) I was to add 2 more addresses to be allowed ssh logins. How would I do this? thanks. |
| 00:57.10 | yoo | /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 00:57.16 | d3fx | hum |
| 00:57.20 | d3fx | well it looks ok? |
| 00:57.25 | d3fx | i don't know exactly what i'm looking for though |
| 00:57.31 | LSorense | d3fx: you can try hitting e in grub on the kernel line and changing root=/dev/hda# to root=/dev/sda# and then hit b to boot the entry and see if that makes a difference |
| 00:57.31 | ritch | yoo: how are we? |
| 00:57.43 | yoo | so i try to update firmmware |
| 00:57.44 | d3fx | hitting e in grub? |
| 00:57.46 | d3fx | like, run grub? |
| 00:57.54 | ritch | yoo: ok. HTH |
| 00:57.57 | yoo | and change my brand of DVD+R |
| 00:57.57 | LSorense | d3fx: no like reboot to the grub menu |
| 00:58.11 | boukensya | would it be iptables/ipchains that blocks ssh sessions? |
| 00:58.19 | d3fx | heh i have no idea how to do that |
| 00:58.21 | LSorense | boukensya: it is able to be used to do that |
| 00:58.26 | ritch | yoo: what is ist? (just to not buy them :) |
| 00:58.26 | d3fx | i'm used to bsd =/ |
| 00:58.37 | yoo | tx |
| 00:58.47 | sporkbomb | Is there any reason, whatsoever, why anybody wouldn't want to put a copywrite on an FAQ to where you cannont redistribute static copies? |
| 00:58.48 | yoo | traxdata |
| 00:58.58 | LSorense | d3fx: when did you install debian? |
| 00:59.01 | boukensya | LSorense: well what I have to do is track down how they allowed the one ip address (the one I am loggedinto it now) and just add 2 others |
| 00:59.11 | d3fx | yesterday |
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| 00:59.17 | LSorense | boukensya: well could be firewall rules or could be sshd config |
| 00:59.19 | sporkbomb | d3fx: hehehe...same here man |
| 00:59.20 | d3fx | btw its root=dev/hda1 |
| 00:59.26 | yoo | thanks for your help ritch and LSorense :) |
| 00:59.28 | d3fx | ;p |
| 00:59.38 | dvs | d3fx: Not /dev/hda1? |
| 00:59.44 | d3fx | yeah /dev/hda1 |
| 00:59.45 | LSorense | d3fx: can I suggest trying to the the install again and type linux26 at the boot: prompt to start the isntaller with 2.6 to begin with and see if it even finds your hd then, and doing the install that way |
| 00:59.54 | jkern | boukensya, maybe /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 00:59.56 | LSorense | d3fx: yes but in 2.6 sata disks are sda1 |
| 01:00.11 | d3fx | so should i try changing it to sda1 and rebooting? |
| 01:00.17 | LSorense | d3fx: worth a shot |
| 01:00.20 | d3fx | k sec |
| 01:00.28 | LSorense | d3fx: but just in the 2.6 entry |
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| 01:00.35 | boukensya | Awesome I think that may be it.. going through it now. If it was firewalled what file would it be in? |
| 01:00.47 | LSorense | d3fx: if it works, you will have to change /etc/fstab too to match |
| 01:01.01 | LSorense | boukensya: firewal rules could be anywhere |
| 01:01.12 | yoo | Good night all ! |
| 01:01.13 | LSorense | boukensya: some people have /etc/shorewall/ but that's just one way |
| 01:01.14 | jkern | boukensya, port 22 would probably be involved anyway |
| 01:01.32 | ritch | yoo: bye |
| 01:01.38 | d3fx | nope |
| 01:01.39 | d3fx | didnt work |
| 01:01.48 | d3fx | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 01:01.56 | yoo | it's 3h00 in the night in france :) |
| 01:02.00 | Phated | Redrum, redrun! |
| 01:02.04 | LSorense | d3fx: well don't know then. without seeing the last 20 lines of the boot messages it's imposible to tell |
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| 01:02.22 | d3fx | hm |
| 01:02.23 | d3fx | before that line |
| 01:02.27 | d3fx | theres pivot_root : No such file or dir |
| 01:02.34 | d3fx | the rest of the message looks normal |
| 01:03.03 | d3fx | oh actually one other thing |
| 01:03.09 | d3fx | vesafb : probe of fesafb0 failed with error -6 |
| 01:03.35 | ritch | d3fx: if you boot the install disk you can go to the console with Alt+Function2 |
| 01:03.37 | greg_work | uhm, i have lots of /USR/SBIN/CRON .. any way I can tell what's up? |
| 01:03.46 | LSorense | d3 |
| 01:03.47 | d3fx | ok |
| 01:03.48 | greg_work | in my pstree: |
| 01:03.49 | greg_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.49 | greg_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.59 | ritch | d3fx: then type in "dmesg" to get a list of found hardware |
| 01:04.03 | LSorense | d3fx: wlel all I can suggest is doing a reinstall using 2.6 in the installer rather than trying to upgrade after installing |
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| 01:04.44 | d3fx | ritch when do i press alt func2 |
| 01:04.51 | d3fx | its not doing anything |
| 01:04.59 | ritch | d3fx: at the install system |
| 01:05.10 | d3fx | didnt do anything |
| 01:05.14 | d3fx | you mean alt+function+2 |
| 01:05.20 | ritch | d3fx: sure :) |
| 01:05.20 | d3fx | ? |
| 01:05.24 | d3fx | hum :O |
| 01:05.24 | LSorense | d3fx: its a few steps into the install and it is leftalt+F2 |
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| 01:05.37 | thinfu | who's the default owner of /var/www/ ? is it www-data ? |
| 01:05.47 | d3fx | well this brought me into my system settings |
| 01:06.01 | LSorense | thinfu: normally root owns it. the web server process really shouldn't have write access |
| 01:06.03 | d3fx | but i dont know what to do in here heh |
| 01:06.21 | thinfu | LSorense: ok, so its ok for my CMS stuff to all be owned by root ? |
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| 01:06.26 | ritch | d3fx: there's a log-console somewhere too. but use dmesg to get a list of messages since bootup |
| 01:06.41 | ritch | d3fx: enter |
| 01:06.44 | ritch | d3fx: dmesg |
| 01:06.52 | aiyaiyairc | ok... playing around tried CTRL+F /f3 ... how do you search for files in debian? besides Kfind? /also is there a command line find too? |
| 01:06.59 | d3fx | k |
| 01:07.00 | LSorense | thinfu: dends on what the site does. some sites need some parts writeable. as long as everything is readable by www-data it is normally ok |
| 01:07.06 | [Cadet] | If the serial console is setup on one computer can you configure a second computer to connect to it without using a program like minicom? |
| 01:07.11 | jkern | aiyaiyairc, man find |
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| 01:07.46 | aiyaiyairc | jkern >> how to do so? |
| 01:07.47 | LSorense | [Cadet]: well minicom, seyon, cu, etc can be used for serial connections. usually network connections with ssh are better |
| 01:07.52 | [Cadet] | For example so you can just use alt+F12 and get to a login prompt on the first computer |
| 01:07.59 | ritch | d3fx: what did you boot? 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 01:08.05 | doleyb | aiyaiyairc: for commandline, man "find" or "locate". Try typing "locate interfaces" for a sample. |
| 01:08.06 | thinfu | LSorense: k thanks.. now how about mysql databases? the cms is using the root user for database, is that a big deal at all? |
| 01:08.09 | LSorense | [Cadet]: you could have inittab run cu on vt12 |
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| 01:08.15 | d3fx | 2.4 |
| 01:08.16 | jkern | aiyaiyairc, from a terminal type "man find" -- no quotes |
| 01:08.17 | d3fx | i see nothing unusual in dmesg |
| 01:08.22 | boukensya | Ok, I tracked it down and this box has never been setup to reject any ip addresses. so how would I setup in the sshd_config to reject 3 everything but 3 ip addresses? |
| 01:08.23 | d3fx | 2.6 WONT boot so heh |
| 01:08.26 | LSorense | thinfu: not sure. I try to avoid dealing with mysql |
| 01:08.27 | [Cadet] | LSorense: cu ? |
| 01:08.27 | ritch | d3fx: 2.6 is our problem |
| 01:08.30 | aiyaiyairc | jkern and doleyb >> thank you ... off to go try :) |
| 01:08.45 | d3fx | yeah but 2.6 wont even boot far enough |
| 01:08.49 | d3fx | doesnt get to command line |
| 01:08.54 | ritch | d3fx: oh. not even the installer? |
| 01:09.01 | d3fx | no i guess not |
| 01:09.03 | ritch | d3fx: sh** |
| 01:09.04 | LSorense | ritch: he never tried the 2.6 installer |
| 01:09.08 | d3fx | ? |
| 01:09.17 | d3fx | how do i get to the 2.6 installer... |
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| 01:09.26 | ritch | LSorense: i hate the sarge installer. still use the woody one. |
| 01:09.30 | LSorense | d3fx: boot install cd, type 'linux26' at prompt and hit enter |
| 01:09.38 | d3fx | at WHAT prompt |
| 01:09.38 | LSorense | ritch: I love the sarge isntaller |
| 01:09.40 | d3fx | is what i'm saying |
| 01:09.42 | LSorense | d3fx: the boot prompt |
| 01:09.46 | ritch | LSorense: ?? |
| 01:09.50 | d3fx | where is a boot prompt |
| 01:09.53 | d3fx | i dont have a boot prompt? |
| 01:09.57 | d3fx | oh wait |
| 01:09.59 | LSorense | d3fx: you boot the install cd and it has a boot: prompt |
| 01:10.12 | ritch | d3fx: then linux25 |
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| 01:10.19 | dvs | linux26 |
| 01:10.21 | ritch | d3fx: aehh then linux6 |
| 01:10.21 | d3fx | no |
| 01:10.23 | d3fx | there is no boot prompt |
| 01:10.30 | LSorense | d3fx: ok which install cd is that? |
| 01:10.33 | dvs | d3fx: I don't believe you |
| 01:10.34 | ritch | d3fx: fu** - linux26 |
| 01:10.34 | d3fx | cd 1 |
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| 01:10.42 | d3fx | it goes right to asking me which kernel i want to boot |
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| 01:10.43 | LSorense | d3fx:out of how many? |
| 01:10.49 | d3fx | uh, 6 |
| 01:10.54 | LSorense | d3fx: then it's not booting from cd |
| 01:10.58 | mrgenixus | what's the last sarge debian-installer? |
| 01:10.59 | d3fx | 3 are regular 3 are safe something or other |
| 01:11.00 | dvs | d3fx: After booting off of the install CD? |
| 01:11.01 | d3fx | well the cd is in there |
| 01:11.05 | mrgenixus | and where can I get it? |
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| 01:11.18 | d3fx | so uh |
| 01:11.19 | d3fx | heh |
| 01:11.20 | ritch | d3fx: should be 4 i think |
| 01:11.24 | Ronin | mrgenixus: the debian website |
| 01:11.32 | LSorense | d3fx: make sure the bios is set to boot from cd first |
| 01:11.32 | d3fx | what should be 4? |
| 01:11.37 | d3fx | it is |
| 01:11.39 | LSorense | d3fx: then boot cd1 |
| 01:11.40 | ritch | d3fx: sure it's the cd? |
| 01:11.43 | d3fx | and it has booted from cd |
| 01:11.45 | LSorense | d3fx: it should give a debian logo |
| 01:11.49 | d3fx | almost positive |
| 01:11.53 | d3fx | hold |
| 01:11.58 | LSorense | d3fx: and say to hit various function keys for more options |
| 01:11.59 | ritch | d3fx: type "F1" |
| 01:12.04 | mrgenixus | Ronin: ok, I'm having problems with dhcp on the currrent (today) etch debian-installer |
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| 01:13.55 | d3fx | heh |
| 01:13.56 | d3fx | wtf. |
| 01:14.15 | d3fx | i can hit "c" to get to the grub cmd prompt |
| 01:14.33 | LSorense | d3fx: sure, but that still won't make the cd boot any better |
| 01:14.38 | d3fx | i know |
| 01:14.42 | ritch | d3fx: i don't think this is the cdrom you're booting from. |
| 01:14.59 | LSorense | d3fx: make sure it is cd #1 in the drive and the bios is set to boot from cd before hd |
| 01:15.16 | d3fx | THERE |
| 01:15.18 | d3fx | i think i got it |
| 01:15.22 | d3fx | yes i did |
| 01:15.30 | d3fx | booting linux26 |
| 01:15.43 | dvs | !beer d3fx |
| 01:15.45 | LSorense | d3fx: Yay. now do a new install that way and see if it works then. that should give you 2.6.8 |
| 01:15.49 | d3fx | this will just overwrite what i have and put 26 on there? |
| 01:15.50 | d3fx | ok |
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| 01:16.02 | d3fx | thanks you guys |
| 01:16.09 | LSorense | d3fx: much simperon those machines where 2.4 and 2.6 behave different |
| 01:16.10 | d3fx | i really appreciate it |
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| 01:16.31 | LSorense | d3fx: now if it can't find your hd, then 2.6 doesn't like your machine. maybe a newer 2.6 will but that won't be on the installer for a while |
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| 01:16.47 | imango | hi I have a ibm think pad x31 laptop with debian sarge on it. My wireless card is not working....coould you help me please?? |
| 01:17.00 | d3fx | it better like my comp |
| 01:17.05 | d3fx | its brand new |
| 01:17.06 | LSorense | imango: do you knwo what kind of wireless chip? |
| 01:17.11 | dvs | Pffffffffft! |
| 01:17.20 | d3fx | ROFL |
| 01:17.21 | d3fx | YOU MUST |
| 01:17.22 | LSorense | d3fx: that's the most likely kind to NOT be liked. new is bad news for support |
| 01:17.23 | d3fx | BE FUCKING JOKING |
| 01:17.40 | kiara | Hello is andres in the chat |
| 01:17.41 | d3fx | "No partionable media were found. Please check that a hard disk is attached to this machine." |
| 01:17.46 | LSorense | d3fx: new machiens is bad news. new dells is worst news. |
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| 01:17.47 | d3fx | this is a joke |
| 01:17.48 | d3fx | right? |
| 01:17.56 | LSorense | d3fx: dell loves using the newest everything |
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| 01:18.16 | YaleR | has anyone found it possible to get the experimental kdebase? |
| 01:18.17 | d3fx | is there any way to get it to recognize my hd? |
| 01:18.21 | d3fx | because i'm about |
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| 01:18.21 | ritch | LSorense: i havn't managed to set up old boxes (lot of via's) with the sarge installer. i don't like it. |
| 01:18.22 | d3fx | to kill myself |
| 01:18.23 | imango | LSorense: it is a ipw2100 intel pro |
| 01:18.26 | LSorense | d3fx: linux doesn't get drivers included with the machine the way windows does so it takes a few months to get support fully working |
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| 01:18.39 | d3fx | so should i like |
| 01:18.41 | d3fx | just kill myself now |
| 01:18.42 | d3fx | or what |
| 01:18.45 | d0s4gw | i just installed the jre, how do i configure firefox to use it? |
| 01:18.50 | kiara | there are some people that like to espeax with my |
| 01:18.55 | ritch | d3fx: get a better (older) comp :) |
| 01:18.59 | d3fx | k no |
| 01:19.07 | LSorense | imango: apt-get install ipw2200-source (make sure contrib and non-free are in sources.list) then read readme in /usr/share/doc/ipw2100-source or use module-assistant |
| 01:19.18 | sporkbomb | d0s4gw: have you even bothered trying google for that question? It is pretty popular. |
| 01:19.20 | d3fx | because my wireless internet will not work without this driver, this driver will not work without 2.6, this computer will not work with 2.6 |
| 01:19.21 | d3fx | so basically |
| 01:19.21 | LSorense | imango: er 2100 not 2200 |
| 01:19.26 | d3fx | i'm going to go fucking kill myself |
| 01:19.32 | YaleR | lol |
| 01:19.38 | d0s4gw | sporkbomb: i've tried it before and failed numerous times |
| 01:19.38 | LSorense | d3fx: well that's normal with dell laptops in general. |
| 01:19.46 | d3fx | so basically i'm fucked or what? |
| 01:19.49 | d0s4gw | sporkbomb: i was hoping there was an easier way |
| 01:19.52 | d3fx | is there ANY way around this |
| 01:19.55 | ritch | d3fx: keep using 2.4 until support is in 2.6. |
| 01:20.01 | LSorense | d3fx: you could try ubuntu, or the daily test installer for debian (www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) |
| 01:20.02 | d3fx | my wireless driver wont work with 2.4 |
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| 01:20.13 | ritch | d3fx: what is it? |
| 01:20.16 | d3fx | intel 2200 |
| 01:20.18 | YaleR | does anyone in here use kdebase 3.4? |
| 01:20.19 | dvs | d3fx: Get an external wireless card? |
| 01:20.22 | LSorense | d3fx: 2200 doesn't like 2.4? |
| 01:20.25 | ritch | d3fx: sure? |
| 01:20.30 | d3fx | i was trying.. |
| 01:20.32 | sporkbomb | d0s4gw: you are either on crack or don't know how to read. There is even a howto on the firefox plugins page. |
| 01:20.36 | d3fx | ipw2200-source |
| 01:20.45 | ritch | d3fx: havn't heard of something like this. |
| 01:20.54 | LSorense | d3fx: I thought it worked with both 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 01:20.55 | sporkbomb | d3fx: did that junk work on bsd? |
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| 01:21.04 | d0s4gw | sporkbomb: thanks for being so helpful and considerate. does it make you feel good to be an asshole? |
| 01:21.15 | LSorense | d3fx: the 2100 works with both |
| 01:21.18 | d3fx | sporkbomb i tried but i was told it wouldnt work/recognize it |
| 01:21.21 | d3fx | i dont have 2100 |
| 01:21.22 | d3fx | i have 2200 |
| 01:21.34 | sporkbomb | d0s4gw: of course not...I just can't understand why you supposedly couldn't find an answer on google. |
| 01:21.38 | YaleR | sporkbomb: be a jerk to me! do you know how to install kdebase 3.4? |
| 01:21.45 | sporkbomb | hehe |
| 01:21.52 | d0s4gw | sporkbomb, if you dont want to help then dont say anything |
| 01:21.55 | YaleR | throw me a freakin bone here |
| 01:21.59 | imango | LSorense: |
| 01:22.06 | LSorense | d3fx: apt-get install module-assistant, m-a prepare, download and install ipw2200-source, then m-a -t build ipw2200; m-a -t install ipw2200 |
| 01:22.14 | imango | Lsorense: I will try that |
| 01:22.16 | d3fx | k let me try |
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| 01:22.24 | sporkbomb | d0s4gw: I am helping you...I'm trying to help you pull your head out of your ass and actually read something before asking a question that has been asked so many times |
| 01:22.27 | lobomufas | d3fx: the latest version yes, you need 2.6, but with 1.0.2 works fine in 2.4 without mode monitor |
| 01:22.29 | sporkbomb | d0s4gw: just get over it. |
| 01:22.30 | ritch | d3fx: there is no depency to a 2.6 kernel with ipw2200 |
| 01:22.34 | d0s4gw | get over what? |
| 01:22.46 | d3fx | in the INSTALL file |
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| 01:22.52 | d3fx | it said it would not work with 2.4 |
| 01:22.52 | lobomufas | ritch: with 1.0.6 a 2.6 kernel is a requirement |
| 01:22.53 | d0s4gw | im just asking a question. i dont get it why everyone is such an elitist here |
| 01:22.59 | LSorense | d3fx: the ipw2200-source package is in contrib or non-free on debian ftp site. I don't think it is on the cds |
| 01:23.10 | d3fx | sec |
| 01:23.13 | jetscreamer | d0s4gw: it's not that. hang out and try to grok. |
| 01:23.15 | ritch | lobomufas: 1.0.4 is current in etch |
| 01:23.16 | LSorense | d3fx: doing it from source is too much work. use the package |
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| 01:23.24 | lobomufas | d3fx: if you don't mind monitor mode try 1.0.2 version, that works fine with 2.4 |
| 01:23.35 | imango | LSorence: y wireless card is ipw2100 not ipw2200, are they the same |
| 01:23.36 | lobomufas | ritch: 1.0.6 at ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 01:23.37 | imango | ?? |
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| 01:23.48 | Digitalkman | Hola |
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| 01:24.02 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 01:24.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:24.10 | ritch | lobomufas: so there should be no prob to get one for 2.4 |
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| 01:24.24 | d3fx | LSorense |
| 01:24.25 | d3fx | http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/debian/pool/contrib/i/ipw2200/ |
| 01:24.28 | d3fx | which one should i get? |
| 01:24.41 | LSorense | d3fx: the ipw2200-source .deb |
| 01:24.46 | d3fx | theres several |
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| 01:24.58 | ritch | d3fx: lobomufas said 2.6 is required from 1.0.6 on. |
| 01:25.02 | solidliq | does anyone know of a utility to *easily* browse the debian apt package repository (new debian user coming from gentoo)? |
| 01:25.07 | d3fx | k |
| 01:25.13 | d3fx | ill brb gona plug cat5 into lappy |
| 01:25.13 | LSorense | d3fx: get 1.0.3 |
| 01:25.16 | gravity | solidliq: aptitude, synaptic |
| 01:25.17 | d3fx | kk |
| 01:25.17 | Phated | solidliq: Try synaptic. |
| 01:25.21 | d3fx | brb thanks again |
| 01:25.28 | solidliq | sweet, thanks |
| 01:25.34 | gravity | no problem |
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| 01:26.33 | lobomufas | ritch: I think the problem was something with some links changed from 2.4 to 2.6, I had some problems when compiling 1.0.6 with 2.6.12.3 |
| 01:27.12 | ritch | lobomufas: don't tell me. i'm on atheros. it was d3fx who had troubles with his ipw |
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| 01:28.10 | czon | was going to download the latest debian testing netinst.iso from cdimage.debian.org but md5sum don't match.. can i trust this anyway or should i try find the .iso somewhere else? |
| 01:28.23 | dvs | czon: Don't burn it |
| 01:28.34 | ritch | czon: re-get it. |
| 01:28.36 | LSorense | czon:they have had a lot of broken installers in the last few days so it may or may not even work |
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| 01:28.43 | deadcat | Phated: more linux world expo photos. (= |
| 01:28.54 | lobomufas | czon: try jigdo to download images, it works really well |
| 01:29.08 | dvs | lobomufas: The netinstaller? that's a bit much |
| 01:29.33 | SaidinUnleashed | how do I get KDM to see enlightenment? |
| 01:29.39 | lobomufas | dvs: nope, a soft like bittorrent from debian people to download iso images |
| 01:29.50 | czon | lobomufas: ok where do i find jigdo? ^^ |
| 01:30.02 | LSorense | czon: for testing there probably aren't any |
| 01:30.26 | d0s4gw | sweet, i finally got it. |
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| 01:30.30 | d3fx | LSorense |
| 01:30.34 | d3fx | im driving myself insane |
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| 01:30.38 | lobomufas | czon: www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 01:30.42 | d3fx | 1.0.3 says in the INSTALL file |
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| 01:30.54 | d3fx | "This driver is currently a 2.6 only driver. Due to time constraints, we can not maintain a 2.4 backport of the driver." |
| 01:30.59 | d3fx | and the make failes |
| 01:31.02 | czon | lobomufas: ty |
| 01:31.05 | d0s4gw | dammit, it didnt fix my problem |
| 01:31.06 | ritch | czon: IMHO a testing installer isn't that useful. IIRC you can choose your flavour later - or do you need some new features? |
| 01:31.07 | LSorense | d3fx: well isn't tat lovely. |
| 01:31.12 | Xeros | hey, i'm back.. still can't get my damn sound working. anyone got any advice? |
| 01:31.15 | yoo | where can i find libwxgtk2.5-dev.deb file please ? |
| 01:31.18 | d3fx | what the hell do i do |
| 01:31.22 | LSorense | d3fx: so the .6 installer sees no hd and 2.4 can't use wireless. |
| 01:31.23 | dvs | Xeros: Did you try alsaconf? |
| 01:31.24 | d0s4gw | anyone have any idea why i cant acces things like yahoo mail in linux but i can in windows? |
| 01:31.27 | d3fx | it failes because of: [modules] Error 2 |
| 01:31.27 | Xeros | yep |
| 01:31.34 | dvs | Xeros: and...? |
| 01:31.35 | d3fx | yeah, basically |
| 01:31.37 | imango | LSorense:....(make sure contrib and non-free are in sources.list)... I know that I have to write somthing to the source list, but what ? |
| 01:31.47 | yoo | i have use deborphan a little too fast ! |
| 01:31.50 | lobomufas | d3fx: I tell you some time ago ;) use a version prior to 1.0.6, those works with 2.4 kernels, but without monitor mode |
| 01:31.57 | d3fx | i used 1.0.3 |
| 01:32.02 | d3fx | and the make fails |
| 01:32.07 | LSorense | lobomufas: apparently 1.0.3 doesn't work on 2.4 either on 2200 |
| 01:32.11 | czon | ritch: nah im new to linux but i got a friend i can call if i get stuck, he said get testing so therefor im searching for it ;) |
| 01:32.11 | Xeros | didn't work |
| 01:32.11 | ritch | yoo: should it be in debian? look at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/<packetname> |
| 01:32.18 | dvs | !didn't work |
| 01:32.18 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 01:32.24 | lobomufas | d3fx: try .2 o .4, odd ones are testing |
| 01:32.33 | lobomufas | s/o/or |
| 01:32.36 | d3fx | you mean 1.0.4? |
| 01:32.45 | LSorense | d3fx: well worth a shot although that makes no sense |
| 01:32.54 | d3fx | ill try it |
| 01:32.57 | lobomufas | yep, i was using that with 2.4 for a long time until i "migrate" to 2.6 |
| 01:33.03 | d3fx | what were you using? |
| 01:33.07 | d3fx | 1.0.4? |
| 01:33.10 | LSorense | lobomufas: with 2100 or 2200? |
| 01:33.15 | lobomufas | LSorense: 2200 |
| 01:33.18 | Xeros | dvs: it runs through and doesn't detect anything |
| 01:33.21 | d3fx | what were you using dude |
| 01:33.23 | d3fx | 1.0.4? |
| 01:33.33 | dvs | Xeros: What does "lspci | grep audio" say? |
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| 01:33.38 | lobomufas | d3fx: 2.4 with 1.0.4 some time ago, now i'm just using 1.0.6 with 2.6.12.3 |
| 01:33.43 | d3fx | k brb |
| 01:33.44 | d3fx | ill try |
| 01:33.50 | Xeros | 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02) |
| 01:34.00 | dvs | ???? |
| 01:34.14 | Xeros | that's what it says |
| 01:34.15 | LSorense | Xeros: which kernel? |
| 01:34.21 | Xeros | 2.4 |
| 01:34.32 | dvs | Xeros: apt-get install alsa-modules-.... |
| 01:34.41 | dvs | Xeros: Whatever your kernel version is. |
| 01:34.41 | LSorense | Xeros: that chip is rather new. use 2.6 alsa drierdrivers |
| 01:35.07 | SaidinUnleashed | Can someone tell me how to get KDM to see enlightenment? |
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| 01:35.26 | newmanbe | It does it automagically. |
| 01:35.29 | mwilson | To "see" it? |
| 01:35.30 | newmanbe | Try restarting it. |
| 01:35.36 | SaidinUnleashed | I have, several times |
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| 01:35.45 | LSorense | sid: kdm deals with logins, not what window manager to use. setup your .xsession properly if you want enlightenment |
| 01:36.02 | mwilson | Write whatever KDM uses for a session file and put it wherever KDM expects to find them. E doesn't provide one and never has. |
| 01:36.29 | newmanbe | LSorense: Both KDM and GDM allow you to choose your session. |
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| 01:36.35 | ritch | SaidinUnleashed: maybe "dpkg-reconfigure --config x-session-manager" will do <untested> |
| 01:36.38 | metaperl | I'm reading the guidedog manual and was wondering something. Is IP masquerading something done when your machine makes client requests out to the gateway but port forwarding is what is done when some machine outside the gateway makes a client request to your local machine? |
| 01:36.43 | LSorense | newmanbe: sure, IF there is a session description for the window manager. |
| 01:36.54 | mwilson | Yes. Your *session*. Implying that there IS, in fact, a session file to use. |
| 01:36.57 | SaidinUnleashed | :/ okay, I'll poke around more |
| 01:37.01 | newmanbe | Hmm, I could've sworn that KDM had E. |
| 01:37.10 | newmanbe | Must've been some Debian black magic. |
| 01:37.12 | mwilson | ritch: What's that supposed to do? Don't invent command lines at random. |
| 01:37.22 | dieguito | hello!, i'm having issues with gamin, it just doesn't work. I have the lastest one but i can't figure what's the problem, if I errase something in a terminal, the nautilus window doesn't updates |
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| 01:37.31 | metaperl | in other words, ip masquerading and port forwarding are the same thing, but it just depends on whether the client is local and not internet-connected or not |
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| 01:37.36 | metaperl | ? |
| 01:37.46 | mwilson | metaperl: Hardly. |
| 01:37.48 | ritch | mwilson: to configure an alternative session-manager the debian way |
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| 01:37.55 | d3fx | what a surprise |
| 01:37.57 | parityflag | what is the difference between -mm1 and -mm2 patchs in the linux kernel? |
| 01:37.57 | d3fx | 1.0.4 didnt work |
| 01:38.03 | d3fx | how do i extract a .diff? |
| 01:38.18 | lobomufas | d3fx: thats a patch |
| 01:38.34 | d3fx | oh |
| 01:38.37 | d3fx | how do i use it |
| 01:38.43 | d3fx | maybe thatll work |
| 01:38.46 | jetscreamer | ritch: man update-alternatives |
| 01:38.57 | newmanbe | patch(1) |
| 01:39.00 | lobomufas | usually patch -p1 < file.diff in the directory whith the source to patch |
| 01:39.14 | ritch | mwilson: SaidinUnleashed NO it's "update-alternatives" sure |
| 01:39.37 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 01:39.42 | mwilson | ritch: What's that going to do, other than break things? |
| 01:40.07 | LSorense | d3fx: here is a page with a sarge installer with 2.6.11 kernel. it supports newer machines like dell inspiron 9300 and such. might try that: http://blog.blackdown.de/2005/06/26/debian-installer-with-kernel-2611/ |
| 01:40.17 | ritch | mwilson: IIRC e has a session manager - doesn't it? |
| 01:40.37 | d3fx | ok |
| 01:40.40 | mwilson | ritch: No. Even if it did, how would it be relevant to what he wants to do? |
| 01:40.52 | javpra | hello. I created swap but can't see it. I remember there is a way to turn it on. Any one remember the command? |
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| 01:40.56 | d3fx | hm |
| 01:40.59 | d3fx | ubuntu seems to work? |
| 01:41.08 | LSorense | d3fx: it has a newer kernel so likely |
| 01:41.21 | d3fx | ok |
| 01:41.52 | ritch | mwilson: ok. i'm wrong. doesn't the choosen default session manager get's started after the [gkx]dm. havn't used something like this for a long time. sry/ |
| 01:42.26 | gahan | i need debian unrelated help, could you tell me how to connect 'normal' ide disk drive to laptop? |
| 01:42.53 | LSorense | gahan: a usb to ide external case might be simplest |
| 01:43.16 | gahan | LSorense: i got usb :) thanks |
| 01:43.24 | d3fx | LSorense |
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| 01:43.34 | Roses | trying to copy kernel image from rescue CD with root=/dev/hda1, but it gives: "Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 03:01" - am I missing something? |
| 01:43.44 | d3fx | would you mind providing me with a link to the ubuntu i should dl? |
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| 01:44.03 | LSorense | d3fx: i have never used buntu. i suggest checking the page I sent. that guys installer might be simplest. |
| 01:44.07 | theine | Is there any chance of getting the Java Media Framework (JMF) working without Sun's (or IBM's) Java Runtime environment? |
| 01:44.09 | d3fx | k |
| 01:44.13 | ritch | Roses: copy or start? try to boot from the cd. |
| 01:44.14 | LSorense | d3fx: at least you still end up with debian, except with a newer kernel |
| 01:44.39 | Xeros | dvs: alright, i'm almost there. now it recognizes the soundcard and seems to work, but there's still no volume |
| 01:44.57 | Roses | ritch: I tried to boot, but that started the installer |
| 01:45.15 | dvs | Xeros: Use the alsamixer |
| 01:45.19 | ritch | Roses: first: which installer is it? |
| 01:45.26 | dvs | Xeros: better yet, alsamixergui |
| 01:45.32 | Xeros | did that already |
| 01:45.38 | Xeros | it shows vol all the way up |
| 01:45.46 | Roses | ritch: sarge (CD is about a year old) |
| 01:45.48 | dvs | Xeros: Did you press the little speakers at the top of the sliders? |
| 01:45.58 | LSorense | Roses: how can it be. sarge was released in june |
| 01:46.01 | Roses | ritch: sarge netinstall that is |
| 01:46.07 | Xeros | dvs: as in unmute? yep |
| 01:46.07 | ritch | Roses: what kernel is your last one on the system? |
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| 01:46.16 | javpra | exit |
| 01:46.25 | Roses | Lsorense: I wanted to check out sarge back then |
| 01:46.26 | ritch | Roses: version 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 01:46.29 | LSorense | Roses: installers older than some time in feb don't work anymore |
| 01:46.42 | LSorense | Roses: or at least they are likely to fail a net install |
| 01:46.42 | dvs | Xeros: what are you using to test the sound? |
| 01:46.44 | Roses | ritch: 2.4.18 |
| 01:46.46 | Xeros | dvs: oh and the volume control on the panel won't go above zero, no matter how hard you try |
| 01:46.51 | ritch | LSorense: he need's it to rescue a brocken bootloader |
| 01:46.55 | Xeros | dvs: an mp3 on my desktop through xmms |
| 01:47.07 | dvs | Xeros: Did you configure xmms to use alsa? |
| 01:47.14 | Xeros | dvs: yes |
| 01:47.18 | ritch | Roses: did you boot with "linux root=/dev/hda1" ? |
| 01:47.29 | Roses | ritch: yes |
| 01:47.35 | dvs | Xeros: which "volume control" won't go up? |
| 01:47.41 | ritch | Roses: ugly |
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| 01:47.53 | bobby | where is the option to allow X forwarding over ssh on a debian box? |
| 01:48.00 | Roses | ritch: /dev/hda1 is supposed to be the boot partition right? |
| 01:48.06 | LSorense | bobby: /etc/ssh/sshd_config and the -X option for ssh client |
| 01:48.10 | mrgenixus | bobby: in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:48.15 | bobby | thanks :) |
| 01:48.16 | LSorense | bobby: and having xauth on the server |
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| 01:48.22 | Xeros | dvs: nevermind the f*d up volume control, i fixed it, but still no sound |
| 01:48.23 | ritch | Roses: where did you put your / ? |
| 01:48.26 | mrgenixus | Roses: you can put anywhere you want |
| 01:48.53 | Roses | ritch: so it's the /? (not the boot partition) |
| 01:48.58 | bobby | thanks :) |
| 01:48.59 | ritch | Roses: yes |
| 01:49.13 | ritch | Roses: it's called "root" |
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| 01:49.47 | Roses | ritch: doo! well that explains things (and yes I know, for some reason I just thought it was the boot partition I was supposed to enter, not that it makes ANY sense) |
| 01:49.51 | ritch | Roses: it's the lowest directory - everthing else get's mounted upon it. |
| 01:49.52 | khd | hi |
| 01:50.01 | dvs | Xeros: Dunno then. If both the Master and PCM volumes are up and unmuted then I don't know |
| 01:50.06 | mrgenixus | lok, I'm having the worst time trying to install linux on the inspiron 9300 |
| 01:50.07 | ritch | Roses: :) |
| 01:50.25 | dvs | another Dell! |
| 01:50.25 | mrgenixus | does anyone else have any experience with the 9300 that could give me a couple of pointers |
| 01:50.31 | dvs | bah! |
| 01:50.31 | Roses | ritch: gotcha - no idea where I got the thought from hat I was supposed to enter the boot partition - maybe I'm just getting old hehe |
| 01:50.35 | mrgenixus | dvs: what? |
| 01:50.49 | mrgenixus | dvs: I hate dell as much as the next guy |
| 01:50.51 | ritch | Roses: we all... :) |
| 01:51.10 | mrgenixus | dvs: but I really need to get this to work, ubuntu wokrs fine, but I can't get the debian installer to cooperate |
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| 01:51.44 | mwilson | So run Ubuntuubie. |
| 01:52.11 | mwilson | Surely it doesn't matter which you use. |
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| 01:53.52 | greg_work | i don't get it.. load average: 3.13, 3.07, 3.89 ... syslogd is the highest according to top, and runs 1.3% CPU max, mostly sitting around 0.7 |
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| 01:54.02 | deadcat | mwilson: oh girl. (= -5 is out? |
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| 01:54.38 | crn | is there a debian version of mplayer? |
| 01:54.44 | greg_work | klogd below that, everything else is 0 mostly .. i DID have a whole ton of CRON processes about an hour ago (load average was 18) .. but that should be done by now, shouldn't it? |
| 01:54.46 | cat | !mplayert |
| 01:54.47 | cat | !mplayer |
| 01:54.47 | dpkg | hmm... mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
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| 01:55.09 | deadcat | oh damn -5 is out. (= |
| 01:55.11 | crn | cat, thanks |
| 01:55.15 | deadcat | gravity rocks (= |
| 01:56.04 | gravity | huh? |
| 01:56.20 | deadcat | gravity: xorg -5 |
| 01:56.50 | mogrohl | crn: mplayer compiles fine from source. |
| 01:56.55 | deadcat | damn berkeley still dont have the mirror synced yet |
| 01:57.00 | gravity | Ah, cool |
| 01:57.15 | mwilson | deadcat: Yeah, just looking to see what bugs might have already been filed. |
| 01:57.16 | crn | mogrohl, thanks |
| 01:57.20 | gravity | -6 may be coming somewhat soon |
| 01:57.24 | deadcat | mwilson: cool. |
| 01:57.29 | mwilson | gravity: Didn't realize you were here. Any showstoppers? |
| 01:58.01 | deadcat | gravity: nice. just got more LWCE photos today. (=.. i won an ibm bag which came with a wifi finder, 128usb drive and a tshirt inside. hehehe. |
| 01:58.03 | gravity | mwilson: Not that I'm aware of. Toolchain issues on alpha, but that's not my problem. |
| 01:58.07 | gravity | deadcat: Nice |
| 01:58.08 | deadcat | but didnt win ipod )= |
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| 01:58.51 | gravity | mwilson: There's a minor dependency problem on one of the lib*-dev packages that causes some other packages that depend on it to FTBFS. That's going to keep it out of testing, and hence the need for a -6 upload. |
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| 02:01.01 | mwilson | gravity: Hm. How do you recommend to install this, then? Just allow it to upgrade straight? Or install x-window-system explicitly (which will install the gods-be-damned xprint, but I can remove that). |
| 02:01.18 | mrgenixus | is there a way to do a debian install from a ubuntu livecd? |
| 02:01.28 | mwilson | mrgenixus: Is there a reason to? |
| 02:01.32 | mrgenixus | mwilson: yes |
| 02:01.57 | gravity | mwilson: It's up to you. It should be mostly transparent. |
| 02:02.11 | mrgenixus | mwilson: laptop boots and works fine from 2.6.10 kernel ubuntu live. it does not work with any debian-installer cd I've tried |
| 02:02.24 | mrgenixus | mwilson: can it be done? |
| 02:02.24 | mwilson | mrgenixus: So run Ubuntu. |
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| 02:02.33 | mrgenixus | mwilson: but I want to run debian |
| 02:02.44 | lol | picky picky |
| 02:02.50 | mrgenixus | mwilson: ubuntu doesn't have development packages for stuff |
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| 02:03.00 | bobby | yes it does |
| 02:03.00 | mwilson | gravity: A dist-upgrade is holding back x-window-core. Weird. |
| 02:03.08 | mwilson | mrgenixus: Except that it does, of course. |
| 02:03.13 | mrgenixus | mwilson: pardon? |
| 02:03.21 | bobby | mrgenixus, uncomment universe in /etc/apt/sources.list and aptitude update |
| 02:03.38 | mwilson | Yes, do that, just don't do it with aptitude. |
| 02:03.48 | streuner | bobby: /topic |
| 02:03.58 | mwilson | wtf is holding back x-window-system-core... |
| 02:04.06 | CasaNova_ | I am getting so close to having my wireless pcmcia (16bit) card working... But I can't seem to get a driver loaded that works. I've tried hostap and orinoco, the prism2_cs in linux_wlan_ng is recommended for my SanDisk card but I cant seem to find linux_wlan_ng anywhere to install in Debian (sarge) |
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| 02:04.58 | mwilson | <sigh> Looks like dependencies are still broken somewhere. |
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| 02:05.13 | CasaNova_ | Everytime I insert my SanDisk wireless card and then change the drive I want to use in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts I cant restart pcmcia sinse DS is in use - is there a way to hard kill this app so I don't have to reboot everytim... |
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| 02:05.53 | bobby | streuner, ? |
| 02:05.54 | NeoFax99 | Anyone know how to fix a eth0 that errors saying "eth0: no IPV6 routers present"? |
| 02:06.06 | luneff | who have seen xfree86 4.5.0? :) |
| 02:06.08 | mwilson | nvidia-glx-dev |
| 02:06.10 | streuner | bobby: We are here in #debian NOT #ubuntu |
| 02:06.15 | mwilson | How wonderful. |
| 02:06.19 | mrgenixus | how about the fact that debian is faster thatn debian |
| 02:06.35 | bobby | streuner, nice work |
| 02:06.41 | mwilson | mrgenixus: Except that it's not. |
| 02:06.45 | ifup | Hello, I want to set up pop3 on my debian box what pop3 server should I use that is fairly easy to setup? TIA |
| 02:06.48 | CasaNova_ | Hmm - when I aptitude search wlan-wlan-ng I see a package but when I try to install it I get no candidate? |
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| 02:08.31 | mrgenixus | mwilson: does apt-get remove --purge realyl work, is there something that gets rid of the dependencies of something too? |
| 02:08.46 | luneff | deborphan :) |
| 02:09.10 | mrgenixus | luneff: is that installed by default |
| 02:09.12 | mwilson | mrgenixus: Yes, apt-get remove --purge *absolutely* works... it does exactly what it's documented to do. Of course, it doesn't do what you think it does. |
| 02:09.28 | mwilson | gravity: Hrm... it's not installing any of the GL packages. |
| 02:09.33 | luneff | i think, no, but it isn't hard to install. |
| 02:09.45 | gravity | mwilson: That's odd. It should. |
| 02:09.51 | luneff | but it can remove many useful things :) |
| 02:10.19 | mwilson | gravity: Nope. Something's holding back x-window-system-core. If I install that explicitly, it removes a few things, but all the GL packages come in. |
| 02:10.28 | cddesjar | what |
| 02:10.30 | mrgenixus | luneff: well I don't want to remove Useful things, just useless things |
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| 02:10.48 | luneff | :) |
| 02:10.59 | luneff | but deborphan do |
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| 02:11.12 | cddesjar | !*nix |
| 02:11.12 | dpkg | well, *nix is a stupid "Unix" abbreviation used to generalise all Unix-like operating systems. It looks completely retarded |
| 02:11.47 | mwilson | gravity: xlibmesa-glu is a dead package now, right? |
| 02:12.41 | gravity | mwilson: Yes |
| 02:12.56 | mwilson | As is xlibmesa-dev? |
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| 02:13.16 | gravity | Right |
| 02:13.18 | luneff | probably |
| 02:13.21 | CasaNova_ | Anyone able to tell me wher I can find a linux-wlan-ng package for Sarge? I get a no package candidate error when I try to install... orinoco and hostap drivers will not work with my SanDisk wireless card |
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| 02:13.45 | mwilson | Hm, so wtf is holding x-window-system-core in place? |
| 02:13.56 | Xeros | alright i'm back again and my sound still isn't working, but this time i got a screenshot. maybe someone can figure something out from it... http://www.otbsupport.com/problem.gif |
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| 02:14.22 | mwilson | I *hate* this library balkanization. |
| 02:14.50 | mwilson | I've said it before and I'll say it again... whoever came up with it should be shot. |
| 02:15.16 | ifup | CasaNova_, I had to build it from source and you have to build the kernel modules to get it to work |
| 02:15.26 | orchid | mwilson: get a refund |
| 02:15.33 | ifup | well at least I did |
| 02:15.35 | mwilson | orchid: A refund for what? |
| 02:15.45 | gravity | It has to happen anyway for modularization |
| 02:16.00 | luneff | i repeat, anyone tried xfree86 4.5.0? |
| 02:16.08 | gravity | luneff: Why would we? |
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| 02:16.14 | mwilson | Ah, almost forgot to make a copy of /etc/X11 somewhere. |
| 02:16.22 | Xeros | CasaNova_: you could try the unstable .deb if you want... http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-wlan-ng |
| 02:16.25 | luneff | just for fun :) |
| 02:16.26 | CasaNova_ | ifup: I have a SanDsik card that I got recognized in config.opts, but hostap and orinoco seem not to work, they load when I insert card but then I get a resource unavaialable error.... |
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| 02:17.06 | CasaNova_ | Xeros: I would but I'm a little shaky on using unstable (not sure of what else will need to be upgraded to unstable...:-( |
| 02:17.14 | luneff | of course, it isn't as-absolutely-free-as-whole-debian-is, but it's interesting |
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| 02:17.38 | gravity | What's interesting about XFree86 these days? No one uses it. |
| 02:17.46 | gravity | The action is at X.Org |
| 02:17.53 | luneff | ? what about me? |
| 02:17.54 | orchid | :) |
| 02:18.11 | gravity | Why are you using it then? Because it's there? |
| 02:18.13 | ifup | CasaNova_, I am using ndiswrapper for a belkin54g card and linux-wlan-ng for my usb microsoft card mn 510 |
| 02:18.15 | CasaNova_ | Xeros? website or howto on using a single unstabel package (leaving my base at testing?) |
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| 02:18.37 | luneff | well, may be. and it's somewhat reliable enough for me and my duron. |
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| 02:18.53 | gravity | luneff: xorg isn't? |
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| 02:18.54 | CasaNova_ | ifup: did you use source from AbsoluteValue website? |
| 02:19.05 | Xeros | CasaNova_: huh? |
| 02:19.42 | luneff | no xorgs! i don't need any transparency etc. |
| 02:19.44 | CasaNova_ | Xeros: If I only want to install one unstable package (and dependencies) and leave sources pointed to testing - not sure how, |
| 02:19.53 | ifup | CasaNova_, Yes |
| 02:19.56 | gravity | Riiiiiight |
| 02:20.04 | luneff | :) |
| 02:20.16 | CasaNova_ | ifup - oooh I have not had good luck compiling... I may have to try unstable package first :-) |
| 02:20.28 | luneff | and also i want compile x for my machine and i have links to xfree86 already. |
| 02:20.33 | mwilson | Ah, crap. |
| 02:21.02 | mwilson | I *really* wish there was something the OPPOSITE of 'hold'... like 'you're NEVER allowed to install this package'. |
| 02:21.09 | ifup | CasaNova_, I dont blame you. :) |
| 02:21.21 | samuel | sup all, where is the best place to put something to execute once at boot? |
| 02:21.23 | newmanbe | You could make a package that conflicts with it... |
| 02:21.30 | CasaNova_ | ifup: the prism2/2.5/3 chips are suposed to work with hostap or orinoco drivers but I can't get any love... |
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| 02:22.31 | luneff | samuel /etc/rc.d |
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| 02:22.52 | YaleR | does anyone know if the alioth repos are borked? |
| 02:23.01 | luneff | samuel: or even /etc/bash_profile :) |
| 02:23.08 | streuner | why? |
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| 02:23.32 | mwilson | YaleR: All of them? Or do you have some specific problem? |
| 02:23.53 | CasaNova_ | Please point me to a howto on installing a single unstable package ( iseem to get a whole lot of how to upgrade to unstabel in google...:-) |
| 02:24.00 | YaleR | mwilson: I can't copy the one I have very quickly, I'm in a vt, but... it doesn't resolve |
| 02:24.10 | ifup | I tried those too with the same results I only use the mn510 with kismet which is great because of the 6ft cord the unit can sit out of my sunroof |
| 02:24.14 | YaleR | mwilson: I'm looking to install kdebase 3.4 |
| 02:24.19 | mwilson | YaleR: Whatever all that is supposed to mean. |
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| 02:24.21 | samuel | luneff, whats the custum? i know about rc, but is it better to put it in bash if it is not a server? just a command? |
| 02:25.09 | d | how many rpms exist? |
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| 02:25.23 | ifup | Can Anyone help me out? I want to set up pop3 on my debian box what pop3 server should I use that is fairly easy to setup? |
| 02:25.31 | mwilson | gravity: Hm, it thinks I've modified /etc/X11/Xsession, but I haven't. :) |
| 02:25.34 | d | how do I access a solaris fs from debian? |
| 02:25.35 | YaleR | mwilson: deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.4.1/ ./ is the one I have |
| 02:25.39 | streuner | d: for debian not so many ;-) |
| 02:25.40 | luneff | samuel, may be. it depends, if that command must be run by every user, or just at once. stupid way is to put the line in init for alsa (as example :) |
| 02:26.00 | d | streuner, how many rpms are in redhat/ |
| 02:26.03 | mwilson | YaleR: I wouldn't have any idea how to get any particular version of KDE from Alioth. |
| 02:26.09 | streuner | d: ask #redhat |
| 02:26.16 | gravity | mwilson: Hrm... that may be a bug already filed that I've forgotten about... |
| 02:26.22 | mwilson | YaleR: It's not anything I'd ever allow on a box I controlled. |
| 02:26.28 | YaleR | lol |
| 02:26.36 | mwilson | I wasn't joking. |
| 02:26.39 | d | how do I access a solaris fs from debian? |
| 02:26.49 | samuel | luneff, if its every user put it in the .bashrc file no? just once is /etc/bash ? |
| 02:26.55 | YaleR | fair enough, it's still funny |
| 02:26.57 | cddesjar | use a freakin' solaris os guy |
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| 02:27.22 | mwilson | Oh, now we DO have to spank it for Xsession.options... it should at least ASK if you want dbus. |
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| 02:27.44 | cddesjar | !solaris |
| 02:27.44 | dpkg | solaris is, like, better known as slowaris (ask me about slowaris) because the hardware is so incredibly shitty, it makes AreEss64 puke., but <ashp> Learning solaris is like anally raping myself with a big red fire truck., or ask me about solaris source, or pretty much okay on x86, or shit. slowlaris, or http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152676&cid=12814224 |
| 02:27.55 | samuel | luneff, thanks |
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| 02:29.26 | DjKritical | anyone know of a decent html/php editor for linux?.. preferably with ftp support? |
| 02:29.34 | cddesjar | could someone recommend a cool wm? |
| 02:29.35 | mwilson | vim |
| 02:29.41 | mwilson | Define "cool". |
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| 02:29.53 | cddesjar | hmm...well i like fluxbox |
| 02:30.04 | mwilson | Then why are you asking? |
| 02:30.06 | streuner | cddesjar: there are many good window manager, i like ob3 |
| 02:30.21 | cddesjar | i am just trying to try some out |
| 02:30.23 | DjKritical | hmm let me rephrase that |
| 02:30.27 | streuner | cddesjar: atm |
| 02:30.28 | mwilson | Then try some out. |
| 02:30.31 | DjKritical | anyone know of a decent html/php editor for linux?.. preferably with ftp support?... with a grpahical user interface? |
| 02:30.46 | mwilson | DjKritical: vim again. Your point? |
| 02:31.16 | DjKritical | well |
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| 02:31.33 | DjKritical | on vim's website there are no screen shots |
| 02:31.46 | DjKritical | I want to be able to preview the pages |
| 02:31.47 | mwilson | gravity: At least it ASKED me if I wanted it to destroy all my work customizing xdm. |
| 02:31.51 | DjKritical | use my mouse :P |
| 02:32.00 | DjKritical | not just the keyboard |
| 02:32.16 | nvz | DjKritical: you want microsoft frontpage sounds like |
| 02:32.33 | mwilson | gravity: So that's not so bad. Usually Debian X upgrades just trash the user's configuration. :) |
| 02:32.36 | DjKritical | no not really |
| 02:32.46 | nvz | I havent used the html editors in a long time to know which have built-in preview, ftp clients..etc |
| 02:33.05 | chealer | DjKritical: oh, I had in mind a recommendation for redmond. this is a strange place for asking for a linux app |
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| 02:34.45 | DjKritical | well... |
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| 02:35.12 | DjKritical | what I'm looking for is a cross-platform editor to run on linux&windows to substitute dreamweaver |
| 02:35.35 | DjKritical | I had one.. just can't remember what it was called :D |
| 02:35.41 | YaleR | er... openoffice-web???? |
| 02:35.47 | YaleR | thats the only one that comes to my mind |
| 02:35.56 | DjKritical | hmm... wow... openoffice has a web package? |
| 02:36.16 | YaleR | why... yes. |
| 02:36.34 | DjKritical | I remember.. it was called bluefish! |
| 02:36.35 | DjKritical | :D |
| 02:37.09 | YaleR | ahhh! |
| 02:37.11 | YaleR | yeah |
| 02:37.18 | CasaNova_ | I think Scream was a gui html editor - not sure about cross platform |
| 02:37.46 | DjKritical | bluefish isn't cross-platform |
| 02:37.53 | chealer | I doubt Writer/Web would handle php |
| 02:37.56 | YaleR | openoffice web is. |
| 02:38.04 | YaleR | true. |
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| 02:39.10 | shakparl | anyone have a dual-core pentium with debian |
| 02:39.35 | DjKritical | web = writer? |
| 02:39.43 | mwilson | all that, and it didn't install xserver-xorg |
| 02:40.13 | Reilithion | !seen liable |
| 02:40.14 | dpkg | liable <n=linux@203.49.211.133> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 5m 35s ago, saying: 'lildude: yes'. |
| 02:40.14 | DjKritical | openoffice web = same as oo write? |
| 02:40.25 | chealer | DjKritical: I guess it's similar |
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| 02:40.57 | DjKritical | YaleR: when you said openoffice web, were you referring to writer? or is there another component? |
| 02:41.02 | YaleR | no |
| 02:41.04 | YaleR | there is another |
| 02:41.19 | mwilson | gravity: xserver-xorg keeps whining about the debconf database. Is that normal? |
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| 02:42.28 | gravity | mwilson: Yeah, it's got to move all the old answers over |
| 02:42.33 | trend | hello |
| 02:42.40 | mwilson | No, it comes up with crap like this: |
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| 02:42.51 | Mega | Somebody has a rule for Squid, that BLOCKS DOWNLOAD of files with extension. exe, for instance? |
| 02:42.51 | mwilson | xserver-xorg config warning: failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang |
| 02:42.51 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.09 | DjKritical | YaleR: I can't find it at all |
| 02:43.15 | mwilson | Over and over and over. |
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| 02:44.03 | mwilson | Well, no... during preconfigure, and then again in postinst. |
| 02:44.06 | chealer | DjKritical: /usr/bin/ooweb |
| 02:44.06 | YaleR | DjKritical: it's oo-web iirc |
| 02:44.08 | mwilson | I shouldn't exaggerate. |
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| 02:46.24 | unco | anyone know why a raid partition /dev/md0 would not allow read/write mounting? I try mount it read/write and it says the following mount: block device /dev/md0 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 02:46.37 | YaleR | DjKritical: don't expect anything like dreamweaver |
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| 02:46.48 | YaleR | DjKritical: the only thing LIKE dreamweaver IS dreamweaver |
| 02:46.54 | headly | I removed a file from /etc, how can I get the default back? |
| 02:47.07 | DjKritical | all I want is something like bluiefish |
| 02:47.08 | Guerin | headly: reinstall the package |
| 02:47.10 | headly | removing and reinstalling the package, just give me an error saying the file is missing. |
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| 02:47.19 | Guerin | DjKritical: what is bluefish like? |
| 02:47.27 | YaleR | headly: what file? |
| 02:47.30 | DjKritical | well it's like dreamweaver without all the bells and whistles |
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| 02:47.35 | NeoFax99 | Anyone know how to turn off ipv6 as I do not have a ipv6 router? Thanks! |
| 02:47.39 | headly | YaleR: /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf |
| 02:47.40 | jarango | The file system check during boot time is freezing my computer. It always freezes at 61.6%. Is there a way to reset the mount count flag ? |
| 02:47.42 | Guerin | explain it, don't compare it to some proprietary windows tardware nobody cares about |
| 02:47.44 | DjKritical | just a simple gui with buttons that add code to your page |
| 02:47.59 | DjKritical | there are screenshots |
| 02:48.01 | DjKritical | hold on |
| 02:48.01 | YaleR | headly: did you run apt-get remove dovecot with a --purge? |
| 02:48.04 | headly | When I originally updated, I said I wanted to keep my old config. |
| 02:48.07 | Guerin | DjKritical: quanta or nvu might be for you |
| 02:48.18 | DjKritical | http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/screenshots.html |
| 02:48.25 | DjKritical | Guerin: okay I'll check them out |
| 02:48.33 | samuel_ | am i correct in assuming that /etc/bash.bashrc only gets run ONCE and only once every time the system reboots until it shuts down? |
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| 02:49.06 | Guerin | samuel_: no, once every time a bash login shell is run |
| 02:49.12 | mwilson | No, you're not at all correct. |
| 02:49.12 | Mega | Somebody has a rule for Squid, that BLOCKS DOWNLOAD of files with extension. exe, for example? |
| 02:49.19 | jarango | I am having trouble booting my linux box because fsck freezes. Please help ! |
| 02:49.23 | headly | YaleR: cool, that worked. thanks. |
| 02:49.29 | mwilson | Ok, time to see if X actually restarts |
| 02:49.29 | TK-1 | yo ppl how easy would it be to install debian to a remote machine running another linux os |
| 02:49.33 | mwilson | brb |
| 02:49.36 | Guerin | Mega: someone in #squid probably does |
| 02:49.41 | samuel_ | Guerin, mwilson i thought that was ~/.bashrc |
| 02:49.48 | Mega | Guerin ok, thanks ;) |
| 02:49.57 | Guerin | samuel_: /etc/bash.bashrc is called if there's no ~/.bashrc |
| 02:50.01 | Guerin | and only then |
| 02:50.10 | DjKritical | Guerin: NVU is what I need! cross-platform, no bu***h*t... nice! |
| 02:50.11 | TK-1 | anyone recormend a host for dedicated servers ? |
| 02:50.13 | DjKritical | :D |
| 02:50.15 | DjKritical | Thanks guys |
| 02:50.35 | Guerin | TK-1: rimuhosting.com is what I use, and they're good |
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| 02:50.46 | samuel_ | Guerin, where could i put something to be run once on boot on every boot? |
| 02:50.49 | Guerin | i don't use dedicated, though - i use a vps |
| 02:51.04 | Guerin | !bootmisc |
| 02:51.04 | dpkg | somebody said bootmisc was where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. |
| 02:51.13 | libertine | thxใ |
| 02:51.20 | jarango | I am having trouble booting my linux box because fsck freezes. Please help ! |
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| 02:51.36 | TK-1 | i was just lookin at ipowerweb they look good but wont install debian ffs |
| 02:51.40 | Guerin | jarango: freezes doing what? |
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| 02:51.59 | samuel_ | Guerin, thanks |
| 02:52.01 | mwilson | gravity: You deserve many kudos. That was more or less exactly what you said it was... transparent. :) |
| 02:52.28 | jarango | Guerin: mount limit has been reached. fsck starts and freezes at 61.6% no reason is given. The machines actually freezes |
| 02:52.36 | TK-1 | im lookin 4 someone who supplies a dedicated box pritty cheap n good transfer |
| 02:52.57 | TK-1 | ive got a box with serverpronto but maxes out at 700kb/sec on a 100mbit lol |
| 02:53.04 | jarango | Guerin: I have do to a hard reset |
| 02:53.07 | metaperl | TK-1: you might talk to CosmicRay on #haskell ... he uses one for 40/month |
| 02:53.17 | metaperl | TK-1: if you want vhosting, join us at hcoop.net |
| 02:53.52 | Guerin | jarango: boot with init=/bin/sh on your kernel line |
| 02:53.59 | YaleR | omfgwtf alioth repos don't work |
| 02:54.00 | jarango | Guerin: I would like to reset the mount count in the filesystem, but I don't know how to do it |
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| 02:54.20 | Guerin | it's detailed in man mount, i believe |
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| 02:54.34 | metaperl | if I have a crossover cable connected between my two machines ethernet ports and the green light is on, indicating a good connection, why cant I ping the gateway one of these machines using the IP address it shows in ifconfig? |
| 02:54.35 | Guerin | which you can read once you boot with init=/bin/sh |
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| 02:54.55 | digitalfox | is anyone else running debian testing having an issue with gcc and glibc being incompatible versions? |
| 02:54.58 | Guerin | metaperl: impossible to tell without more information |
| 02:55.01 | gravity | mwilson: Great, I'm glad it worked so well for you. The vast majority of that credit really goes to the ubuntu guys |
| 02:55.07 | gravity | Anyway, I'm off for a while... |
| 02:55.15 | metaperl | Guerin: such as...? |
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| 02:55.50 | Guerin | metaperl: whether the hardware is known to be functional, what os and software is running on each mavchine, whether there's anything intercepting or routing packets... |
| 02:56.18 | mwilson | Ok, now to put some things back the way they belong... |
| 02:56.19 | jarango | Guerin: What can I do after booting with init=/bin/sh |
| 02:56.32 | metaperl | Guerin: firewall is disabled (in guarddog). os is Debian-testing on both. the cards were both working to wired DSL not too long ago... |
| 02:56.35 | Guerin | anything you fucking well like |
| 02:56.46 | Guerin | metaperl: no idea then |
| 02:57.39 | metaperl | well, what I dont get is how my parasite machine would really know that the gateway machine's IP address really is that address and how to get to it |
| 02:57.58 | jarango | Guerin: getting aroung e2fsck is not the problem. What I want to do is reset the count field |
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| 02:58.50 | does | anyone know how to make the default (non-X) terminal in debian running on a laptop run fullscreen (instead of just a small 'window' in the middle)?ian |
| 02:58.53 | does | (just installed debian) |
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| 02:59.55 | sporkbomb | does: do you happen to be on a Dell, just out of curiousity? |
| 03:00.09 | does | no, an HP Pavilion ze5200 |
| 03:00.26 | rking | that's a new one on me. =\ |
| 03:00.30 | sporkbomb | does: do you have some sort of function key combination that changes font on your laptop? |
| 03:00.35 | jarango | Where is fsck called from at boot time. I need to disable the call |
| 03:00.44 | does | no |
| 03:00.48 | rking | jarango: hrm, what for? (while i look it up) |
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| 03:00.58 | cplx | dig |
| 03:00.58 | cplx | dig: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
| 03:01.00 | cplx | any fixes |
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| 03:01.24 | sporkbomb | does: for example, what you are describing happens on my laptop if I press (<fn> + <f7>). I was thinking you have a similiar feature. |
| 03:01.26 | jarango | rking: the mount limit has been reached, and fsck is freezing my machine |
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| 03:01.31 | phin | anyone in here use windowmaker or gnustep and having issues with the packages? |
| 03:01.46 | rommer | how can i access a users home directory with samba using their username and password? |
| 03:01.53 | does | I have other features, but no font switcher (as far as I can tell). |
| 03:02.01 | jarango | rking: I need to know where fcsk is called from so I can comment it out while I fix the problem or make a backup |
| 03:02.50 | does | (screen brightness, multi-monitor, volume, lock, numpad...) |
| 03:02.57 | rking | jarango: looks like /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh to me. |
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| 03:03.27 | jarango | Thanks man |
| 03:03.27 | does | rommer: smbclient |
| 03:03.47 | phin | :-\ |
| 03:03.50 | phin | no gnustep :( |
| 03:03.55 | sporkbomb | does: I'm trying to look for a picture of your keyboard...try <fn> + <f7> for a sec |
| 03:04.02 | does | k |
| 03:04.08 | does | 8~ |
| 03:04.11 | does | hehe |
| 03:04.11 | cplx | dig: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
| 03:04.19 | metaperl | why would ifconfig say UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST but not show an ip address? I have configured an ip address in /etc/network/interfaces and there is nothing in /var/log/messages |
| 03:04.26 | YaleR | ~ |
| 03:04.39 | bkm | me2, cplx |
| 03:04.45 | sporkbomb | does: I meant <f8>... |
| 03:04.56 | cplx | bkm: hmm.. happend to me after the last apt-get update I did.. |
| 03:05.03 | bkm | me2 |
| 03:05.03 | cplx | must be a broken package.. |
| 03:05.09 | does | the special keys don't even seem to be working under linux |
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| 03:05.17 | bkm | firefox, perhaps? |
| 03:05.25 | cplx | firefox? |
| 03:05.26 | CVirus | whats this 111/tcp open rpcbind 443/tcp open https ? |
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| 03:05.36 | does | CVirus: samba |
| 03:05.40 | Reilithion | metaperl: Have you specified the interface static? |
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| 03:05.48 | CVirus | does: 111 or 443 ? |
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| 03:06.01 | does | CVirus: both |
| 03:06.02 | nvz | CVirus: both |
| 03:06.11 | libertine | ๅคงๅฎถ็ปๆไป็ปไธๆฌพirc่ฝฏไปถ๏ผx-chat้คๅค็๏ผๆ็x-chatไธไผๅฐฑๆ |
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| 03:06.25 | Reilithion | !confuse libertine |
| 03:06.25 | dpkg | Yes, who are your bacon tomorrow, libertine? wellies of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 03:06.34 | rommer | how do i share users home directories with browsing and writing enabled, but with password authentication as well? |
| 03:06.54 | does | brb (laundry) |
| 03:06.56 | CVirus | does: nvz: samba is disabled in here :S |
| 03:07.09 | libertine | sorry |
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| 03:07.35 | pureone | i thought samba was 445 and portmap was 111 |
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| 03:08.02 | CVirus | pureone: i have portmap running yes |
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| 03:08.21 | pureone | cvirus netstat -tupln |
| 03:09.02 | subgv | dondelelcaro: Can you bring a extra white debian t-shirt medium on Linux-Picnic. |
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| 03:10.47 | deadcat | subgv: pc? |
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| 03:11.13 | rik_ | Hello! I've just set up an unstable chroot and am having problems :( my vt switching isn't working, so I can't switch back to my host system. I've tweaked, tried and SysReq-SUBbed so many times I might despair! Any takers? |
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| 03:12.42 | rik_ | The host is stable/testing and the chroot is unstable/experimental. I followed the instructions on http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html and the chroot works great - i'm in here now. |
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| 03:13.18 | jsi | Hey, I am having an issue with the MTU on an 802.1Q VLAN. If I ping a host with payload 1472 bytes (translates to IP datagram size of 1500 bytes), the packets get out over the network fine, come back to the host fine, but are dropped before they're processed. If I do this with 4 byte shorter packets, it works. I am using the Intel e100 driver, which supposedly supports 1504 byte datagrams. All this traffic occurs over an 802.1Q vlan. Any |
| 03:13.54 | rik_ | Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance. |
| 03:14.06 | schoinobates | rik_, does vt switching work if you don't go in the chroot? |
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| 03:14.28 | rik_ | schoinobates: yes |
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| 03:15.10 | rik_ | schoinobates: I changed 4,5,6 to be chroot terminals. |
| 03:15.27 | schoinobates | strange... I always thought that vt switching was a kernel feature, so "hard to break" :) |
| 03:15.46 | aeronadix | hi, I am having trouble with tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers |
| 03:15.53 | schoinobates | If you login on a non-chroot terminal and chroot from there, does vt switching break, too? |
| 03:15.53 | does | back (laundry is a pain...) |
| 03:16.11 | mwilson | !xcomposite.pc |
| 03:16.17 | mwilson | !find xcomposite.pc |
| 03:16.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xcomposite.pc' (1): (/usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig/xcomposite.pc) in libdevel/libxcomposite-dev. |
| 03:16.40 | subgv | deadcat: what up. |
| 03:16.53 | subgv | deadcat: he seems to be away |
| 03:17.05 | rik_ | schoinobates: I'll try it. Gotta reboot; this is doing nothing for my uptime! |
| 03:17.07 | does | !find baghira |
| 03:17.11 | dpkg | kwin-baghira: (KDE theme for Apple junkies :)), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.6f-1 (sid), Packaged size: 500 kB, Installed size: 1160 kB |
| 03:17.23 | aeronadix | !tar |
| 03:17.23 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 03:18.11 | daedalus_ | aeronadix: /msg dpkg for things like that |
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| 03:19.46 | does | anyone know how to find a pcmcia device on my notebook? |
| 03:19.55 | digitalfox | does: cardctl ident |
| 03:20.11 | does | thanks |
| 03:20.33 | does | digitalfox: "Socket 0: no product info available" ? |
| 03:20.38 | digitalfox | hrm |
| 03:20.45 | digitalfox | are you using a cardbus card in a PCMCIA-only slot? |
| 03:21.14 | does | digitalfox: dunno, it's a Belkin wifi card in an HP Pavilion ze5200 which works under winxp |
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| 03:21.26 | digitalfox | hrm |
| 03:21.26 | digitalfox | odd |
| 03:21.30 | digitalfox | I don't know :/ |
| 03:21.35 | does | hrm |
| 03:21.48 | does | never used a notebook with linux before... |
| 03:21.52 | MrBucket42 | I use the directions here: http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/debian_setup/ to add an additional IP address to interface eth0 and rebooted and it didn't get added according to ifconfig. Is there something wrong with it? |
| 03:22.10 | digitalfox | does: it's generally somewhat of a pain unless you specifically buy it for it |
| 03:22.32 | Reilithion | How can I find the closest responding DNS server? |
| 03:22.38 | does | digitalfox: yeah, unfortunately I just "inherited" the notebook and card |
| 03:22.54 | MrBucket42 | Is here a pastebin where I can paste my interfaces file to show how I configured it to find errors in my syntax? |
| 03:23.27 | CasaNova_ | I installed the unstable linux-wlan-ng package and have to build the kernel modules, when I follow the readme it tells me to build deps for kernel and linux-wlan-ng, I used the -t unstable and build dep and it wants to upgrade cpp and lib6 and libgcc1 - does this mean it's upgrading the version of cpp that my whole system will use? will this screw up testing beyong recognition or its it OK? |
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| 03:23.36 | CasaNova_ | I am running testing |
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| 03:24.33 | does | does anyone know the name of the opensource wifi binary driver wrapper? |
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| 03:24.48 | Reilithion | Oh, with a name like that, maybe you'll be able to help me, scarynetworkguy |
| 03:24.52 | does | (I have a broadcom chipset) |
| 03:25.08 | Reilithion | How can I find the nearest responding DNS server? |
| 03:25.09 | rik_ | schoinobates: no, VT switching doesn't break if I chroot into a terminal. Only when gdm is started. |
| 03:25.17 | CasaNova_ | does: ndiswrapper? |
| 03:25.23 | daedalus_ | does: the ndis wrapper? |
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| 03:25.45 | does | CasaNova_: yeah, thanks, I couldn't remember, and I don't have X Windows working yet |
| 03:26.14 | schoinobates | rik_, gdm and xserver in the chroot? |
| 03:26.35 | schoinobates | You are talking about switching away from an X vt, not between console vts, then? |
| 03:27.16 | rik_ | schoinobates: that's right, either chroot gdm or by chroot {bash} |
| 03:28.34 | schoinobates | rik_, I'm not sure if your "that's right" answers my first message or both. |
| 03:29.12 | rik_ | schoinobates: they are both installed in the chroot, sorry |
| 03:29.31 | rik_ | nvidia-glx is as well, but I've not needed to compile the kernel in there |
| 03:29.57 | libertine | anybody give me a good irc client soft except x-chat,xchat in my computer had a error |
| 03:30.03 | solidliq | anyone know how to get the ati drivers with apt? |
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| 03:30.19 | daedalus_ | libertine:bitchx, or irssi |
| 03:30.27 | aeronadix | how do you use rm to rm all but one file in a directory? |
| 03:30.30 | schoinobates | rik_, is only switching away from X broken? Or is switching away from a chroot console vt broken, too? |
| 03:30.51 | rik_ | only switching away from x |
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| 03:30.56 | solidliq | aeronadix: rm !onefile :) |
| 03:30.57 | CasaNova_ | If I upgrade gcc as part of compiling an unstable pacakge (build-dep) will this break the rest of my testing apps? |
| 03:31.23 | schoinobates | OK. I remember something like that... |
| 03:31.23 | aeronadix | solidliq, awesome thx |
| 03:31.24 | solidliq | aeronadix: oops, never mind |
| 03:31.24 | rik_ | wherever I start gdm from |
| 03:31.28 | schoinobates | Lemme think. |
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| 03:32.02 | daedalus_ | aeronadix: don't do that! |
| 03:32.04 | libertine | daedalus_: thx |
| 03:32.12 | daedalus_ | !lart solidliq |
| 03:32.23 | aeronadix | ok |
| 03:33.08 | daedalus_ | aeronadix: mv foo.bar ../; rm *; mv ../foo.bar ./ |
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| 03:33.10 | schoinobates | rik_, I had the same a few months ago, it is something around keymappings in X. I'm trying to find the bugreport back. |
| 03:33.22 | daedalus_ | aeronadix, maybe? |
| 03:33.28 | aeronadix | btw, for interested parties -> tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers, file filename.tar tells what kind of file |
| 03:33.36 | solidliq | aeronadix: for $FILENAME in `ls` ; do if $FILENAME != 'onefile' ; then rm $FILENAME; fi; done |
| 03:33.38 | aeronadix | daedalus_, yeah thats a solution that will work |
| 03:34.21 | donw | Anyone else in here made the switch and care to comment? |
| 03:34.25 | solidliq | aeronadix: sorry, I forgot you couldn't use the reqular expression the way I first wrote, so a simple inline shell script like I typed above will work |
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| 03:35.03 | aless | hi, is there an alternative to fuser for checking which applications are using my dvd? |
| 03:35.16 | solidliq | donw: why would you want to switch away from Linux!!! :) |
| 03:35.17 | aeronadix | ok thx guys |
| 03:35.29 | solidliq | yep |
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| 03:36.00 | aeronadix | donw, does OS X run on x86? |
| 03:36.18 | aeronadix | donw, it is free? |
| 03:36.22 | donw | aeronadix: No, but I'm in the market for a new laptop around the end of the year, and the PowerBook G4 is tempting. |
| 03:36.28 | vivek | hello all ... i am using the kernel from unstable. I can't seem to find the sources for the kernel 2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 03:36.44 | solidliq | aeronadix: go to www.osnews.com, and read the articles about the Apple switch to x86, and the hacks to make it work |
| 03:36.55 | vivek | is there a different mechanism for unstable kernel sources ? |
| 03:36.57 | vivek | aeronadix: its not free |
| 03:37.00 | aeronadix | I am happy with open source |
| 03:37.04 | vivek | aeronadix: but if you have a x86 with sse3 |
| 03:37.08 | vivek | you can get it to work ... |
| 03:37.40 | vivek | sse3 being the crux ... you need an AMD64 or Perscott/Celeron-D ... |
| 03:37.43 | donw | aeronadix: All the servers I manage will continue to run Debian; I'm just tired of wasting hours of time on my notebook to get things like, oh, suspend-to-RAM working. |
| 03:37.45 | aeronadix | I just wish the will soon be an awesome web browser available, I have tried mozilla, dillo, and links2 |
| 03:37.50 | vivek | sse2 it works but is not worth your time ... |
| 03:38.09 | donw | solidliq: Won't affect me much; I use mostly open-source apps, or write my own. |
| 03:38.09 | solidliq | donw: I've been thinking of getting a Mac Mini just to play with OS X. It's a lot cheaper, and will make a great linux server later (silent, plenty of power for a home net server). Why not try that route. $500 base price |
| 03:38.17 | aeronadix | donw, yeah, I don't know what that is, but I can imagine what you mean |
| 03:38.35 | donw | solidliq: Need a laptop; hard to tote a desktop while you're wandering around in foreign countries. *grin* |
| 03:38.38 | vivek | solidliq: forget a mac mini and get a p4 |
| 03:38.57 | aeronadix | I think Mac is worste than Microsoft even, at least windows is affordable, macs are way too much |
| 03:38.59 | vivek | solidliq: its a waste of time running it on mac mini ... its slow you need a ram upgrade almost immeditely ..... |
| 03:39.00 | solidliq | I have 2 p4's |
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| 03:39.12 | solidliq | it's just to play with it |
| 03:39.12 | donw | solidliq: Thinking about getting a Mini for my father; he sunk $800 on a new Dell that can't talk to the workgroup fileserver he's been using for years -- XP Pro is okay, if you like Windows, but Home is crap. |
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| 03:39.35 | schoinobates | rik_, does using the "chvt" program (instead of C-A-Fn) work? |
| 03:39.37 | donw | vivek: It's not that slow; I've used one a bit, and was quite satisfied. |
| 03:39.39 | vivek | solidliq: spend $200 and get a p4 and celeron-d its way faster than a mini ... |
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| 03:39.42 | deadcat | man dmesg |
| 03:39.51 | solidliq | I hate all MS Software, so I stay away from that. I do like their mice and keyboards tho... :) |
| 03:40.06 | vivek | compare that with a celeron-d running osx its way way too slow ;) |
| 03:40.07 | donw | vivek: Some of us are more concerned with getting things done, as opposed to having The Fastest Machine. *grin* |
| 03:40.09 | solidliq | vivek: IT'S to try OS X!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:40.28 | vivek | donw: you can gtd with it and run osx |
| 03:40.33 | vivek | solidliq: i am talking osx here ;) |
| 03:40.38 | rik_ | schoinobates: I will give that a go. What is you chroot's gdm.conf FirstVT option set to please? |
| 03:41.04 | solidliq | I have a p4 2.4ghz with 2gb dual-ported ddr if I care about speed, and I'm planning to later get a dual opteron (dual dual-core... heheh) |
| 03:41.09 | vivek | solidliq: Celeron-d and a mb with 915gb is all you need to "try " osx and get back to debian ... |
| 03:41.17 | libertine | irssi is a text-base irc client? any other windows interface application |
| 03:41.29 | solidliq | I want to try apple hw too |
| 03:41.32 | vivek | solidliq: its the same stuff as being used the developer kit from apple ... |
| 03:41.56 | donw | solidliq: Opterons rock; I've used them instead of Sun machines which cost eight times the price. |
| 03:41.56 | solidliq | and I want the silent machine to be a server |
| 03:42.10 | rik_ | schoinobates: the comments say set it to the first vt without gettys. That should be 7 if both gdms use VT switching? Argh, so confusing! |
| 03:42.10 | schoinobates | rik_, I'm not using a chroot, plain sid system. |
| 03:42.13 | solidliq | donw: amd period |
| 03:42.28 | donw | solidliq: Agreed; pity Apple didn't contract with AMD... |
| 03:42.47 | schoinobates | rik_, You have _two_ gdms? |
| 03:42.47 | solidliq | donw: more like stupid... there must have been cash incentives from Intel |
| 03:43.03 | rik_ | living on the edge was nice for a while, but I was getting silly. office 2 is _not_ practical. |
| 03:43.03 | vivek | huge cash incentives .... |
| 03:43.12 | vivek | anyways apple is dead .... |
| 03:43.22 | vivek | or will be in a couple of years ;) |
| 03:43.34 | schoinobates | rik_, you havta run them on different vts then. |
| 03:43.35 | solidliq | no, their market share just skyrocketed in the last two quarters actually. |
| 03:43.39 | donw | vivek: I doubt that. |
| 03:43.49 | schoinobates | But I doubt this is the problem. |
| 03:43.52 | donw | vivek: In fact, I'm probably going to be buying their stock before long. |
| 03:43.57 | rik_ | schoinobates: Yes, the unstable one installed in a chroot and the stable one. VT-auto-allocate off on both then? |
| 03:44.20 | solidliq | A lot of people who've bought ipods are buying macs now trying to get away from the adware/spyware/virus problem which *is* windows :) |
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| 03:45.01 | solidliq | Analysts are saying the ipod is the best thing to ever happen to Apple. |
| 03:45.06 | schoinobates | rik_, try not having the stable one. This way we'll see wether this is conflict between the two, or just the X server not getting the command. |
| 03:45.08 | donw | solidliq: True, and UNIX admins like me are buying them because we want a UNIX environment that Just Works for our desktops, because we have enough in the way of fires on the servers. |
| 03:45.18 | sporkbomb | solidliq: it doesn't take an "Analyst" to realize that... |
| 03:45.19 | sporkbomb | hehe |
| 03:45.22 | solidliq | and me |
| 03:45.27 | solidliq | heheh |
| 03:45.29 | schoinobates | rik_, wait, does C-A-backspace work? |
| 03:45.48 | rik_ | Firs |
| 03:46.03 | vivek | well my reasoning is simple 1) they are going to overprice x86 2) windows is coming out with a new os(there are those that don't use debian /linux 3) apple has lost its innovation .... (its the same as dell and co with a funky box) |
| 03:46.13 | solidliq | add to that all the free advertising from Hollywood, considering in just about any movie or tv show where there's someone using a computer, the Apple logo is prominently visible. |
| 03:46.14 | donw | Plus, the one killer for me on Linux is internationalization -- I need to be able to type in English, German, and Japanese, and I can only have two of those at a time under X. |
| 03:46.48 | rik_ | schoinobates: it goes back to the chrooted gdm (or a blank screen), but I have no way of getting back to a non-chrooted login |
| 03:46.52 | solidliq | donw: not many people are trilingual |
| 03:47.22 | vivek | donw i suppose windows / linux / osx can do that |
| 03:47.28 | schoinobates | rik_, OK, but I mean C-A-backspace is not ignored by the X server. That's what I wanted to check. |
| 03:47.33 | rik_ | i'm going to try now, armed with chvt. |
| 03:47.41 | solidliq | bilingual is enough for me and many people, and too much for most people (at least, here in the US... :) |
| 03:47.42 | donw | vivek: Microsoft is ALWAYS 'coming out' with a new OS, and Apple is still innovating -- don't mistake the switch to Intel for anything else. |
| 03:48.00 | rik_ | actually, the cursor in the gdmlogin pauses as though its received the keystroke |
| 03:48.16 | schoinobates | rik_, you don't happen to have "DontVTSwitch" in the X server config, right? |
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| 03:48.20 | donw | solidliq: I'm not quite trilingual yet; just working on it, but it's a hell of a lot easier when I don't have to juggle things. |
| 03:48.25 | vivek | donw somehow i am not that optimistic ... its probably the last nail in their hardware "pc" cofin ... |
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| 03:48.52 | vivek | donw they might still sell "ipods" but even that area is going to see lots of competition ... |
| 03:49.16 | donw | vivek: Not really; think about it -- it gives them a launching point to spread out onto cheaper hardware, and it doesn't really do much to their primary hardware line, which is still very nicely engineered. It's just a CPU -- they aren't that special. |
| 03:49.18 | solidliq | vivek: key is, Microsoft is ALWAYS "going to be coming out" with a new os, whereas Apple IS always coming out with a new OS, to the point users have complained "damn, slow down already, it's hard to keep up with all the new releases" |
| 03:49.26 | rik_ | schoinobates, yeah, xf86config put it in my host xf86config(-4). I'd seen it before but it's always worked before (enemy territory :) |
| 03:49.56 | vivek | anyways since we are diametrically opposite on apple and its future in 3 to 4 years we will stop here ;) |
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| 03:50.00 | rik_ | remove that option from the root or chroot XF*^? |
| 03:50.02 | thomas22 | ? |
| 03:50.05 | solidliq | heheh |
| 03:50.07 | donw | solidliq: True, and what's more, Apple adds *useful* features. Windows has a new bundled MSN search, Apple has Dashboard and Expose. |
| 03:50.13 | schoinobates | rik_, I'd say both! |
| 03:50.17 | Reilithion | I was totally right. It was the DNS server. |
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| 03:50.26 | schoinobates | Or set it explicitly to false. |
| 03:50.40 | solidliq | donw: no kidding. I'm not about to switch away from linux, but for a new notebook, I don't think they can really be beat |
| 03:50.42 | thomas22 | someone please tell me what aspect of webprogramming handles ip adress blocking (Im fairly new to database driven web-design) |
| 03:50.43 | donw | Yay! And I can run Debian inside of VirtualPC. I'm happy. |
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| 03:51.11 | vivek | I will never buy apple hardware ... they now have TPM and DRM in their hardware .... |
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| 03:51.39 | donw | solidliq: I'd be keeping Linux if I wasn't tired of having critical, yet non-working features on my notebooks. Last fully-functional Linux notebook I owned was an ancient Digital UltraNote, and while it was a great system, I needed something faster than a Pentium 233 MMX. |
| 03:51.39 | rik_ | schoinobates, apologies, i had seen it but its commented out |
| 03:51.47 | vivek | if cpuid is bad TPM is horrible .. ;) |
| 03:52.20 | solidliq | all MS's "features" are: yeap, that's right, we copied some things from the OS X, Unix, and Linux os's, but we're giving you the value-add features of making them buggy, more difficult to use, and much more difficult to program for!!!! Buy it NOW!! |
| 03:52.21 | rik_ | i'll set chroot:/etc/gdm.conf FirstVT back to 8 and try, thanks |
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| 03:52.54 | donw | solidliq: Let's not forget that, unless you use the 'Professional' version, the OS is all but bloody useless on a network. |
| 03:53.55 | solidliq | donw: I have Ubuntu running under VMWare GSX, and it's runs terribly (I only have 512mb ram, need at least 1 gb apparently, but even worse, it's still the windows kernel running the machine, and that makes linux drag too) that's why I'm putting debian on a seperate partition right now |
| 03:54.25 | solidliq | donw: yeah, that too |
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| 03:54.43 | aalex | Hi ! I want to install eclipse on Debian. So, I need to enable the contrib packages. How do I do that, i forgot. I am currently in Gnome |
| 03:54.59 | donw | solidliq: I've been using VMWare under Linux for years, no problems with Linux as the guest OS, but I needed a gig of RAM to run Windows as a guest. |
| 03:55.01 | vivek | solidliq: you might want to try colinux |
| 03:55.12 | solidliq | I just haven't gotten everything working yet (running out of a tty right now) |
| 03:55.20 | vivek | donw winxp ? |
| 03:55.20 | solidliq | vivek: colinux? |
| 03:55.23 | donw | solidliq: I know that feeling. |
| 03:55.32 | donw | vivek: Yeah; I need a copy around for testing purposes. |
| 03:55.36 | solidliq | heheh |
| 03:55.37 | donw | vivek: Bloody hog of an OS. |
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| 03:55.51 | vivek | if all you want in windows 98 you can try win4lin x86 |
| 03:55.52 | vivek | its blazing fast ..... |
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| 03:56.08 | vivek | and makes you forget you are running windoves |
| 03:56.39 | vivek | VMware is popular but win4lin is the better performer ;) |
| 03:56.46 | c0rrupt_ | yea |
| 03:56.46 | donw | vivek: WindowsXP Pro is usable. Windows98 is pure, unfiltered, fermented crap. |
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| 03:56.51 | c0rrupt_ | i use vmware |
| 03:57.08 | c0rrupt_ | its a real cpu killer |
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| 03:57.15 | vivek | donw: try it under win4lin and you will change your view |
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| 03:57.35 | vivek | anyways for "testing" that you want to do its pretty ok |
| 03:57.43 | solidliq | vivek: could I then run debian side-by-side with winxp pro, and have winxp manage the power and the wifi card, and still use the wireless through debian? |
| 03:57.43 | donw | vivek: Considering that I need to run XP solely for the purpose of making sure XP machines can function on my networks, I doubt that. *grin* |
| 03:57.59 | Reilithion | What ever happened to wine? |
| 03:58.09 | c0rrupt_ | i use wine |
| 03:58.11 | solidliq | c0rrupt_: that's why I'm not liking vmware gsx |
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| 03:58.21 | donw | vivek: Plus, properly locked down, XP Pro (with NTFS, Mozilla, etc.) is fairly secure, and not particularly crash-prone. It just eats system resources. |
| 03:58.37 | c0rrupt_ | ms03-039 |
| 03:58.38 | vivek | Reilithion: wine is good but nothing works on it ;) |
| 03:58.39 | c0rrupt_ | upnp |
| 03:58.41 | donw | Reilithion: Fava beans and a nice Chianti? |
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| 03:58.46 | Reilithion | lol |
| 03:58.47 | c0rrupt_ | ms05* |
| 03:58.51 | solidliq | vivek: heheeheheh |
| 03:58.53 | c0rrupt_ | secure eh? |
| 03:58.58 | c0rrupt_ | thats a joke |
| 03:59.02 | Detox | what do you feel is the rock bottom minimums for a debian pc to work well???? |
| 03:59.08 | gimbal | anyone might have the word about why non-us.debian.org is giving off "Failed to open file" messages? |
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| 03:59.21 | solidliq | detox: depends on your definition of well |
| 03:59.29 | solidliq | and work |
| 03:59.31 | Detox | office functions |
| 03:59.32 | solidliq | heheh |
| 03:59.32 | donw | Detox: 486/66, 32M RAM. Quite usable without X. |
| 03:59.34 | gimbal | got such when trying to download a package, and when trying to update the local package list |
| 03:59.34 | vivek | Detox: x386 ;) x286 |
| 03:59.49 | vivek | and use ng as your office editor |
| 03:59.51 | Detox | dont care if i have tuxracer of neverball |
| 03:59.54 | vivek | plus install tex |
| 03:59.58 | solidliq | vivek: linux doesn't run on a 286 |
| 04:00.02 | donw | c0rrupt_: The SANS Gold Security tools do a good job of locking the OS down, actually. |
| 04:00.02 | solidliq | :) |
| 04:00.20 | c0rrupt_ | right |
| 04:00.31 | osama | anyone knows how to use clusterssh? i just need to use it for the simple task of entering a command into 20 terminals at the same time, tried reading the manual but doesn't make any sense:( what goes into the add host name field? |
| 04:01.12 | solidliq | brb (arhg more laundry...) |
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| 04:02.58 | Sup3rFly | what's the best way to recomiple a new kernel? i already configured it via menuconfig |
| 04:03.11 | psychonate | Can anyone recommend a good CD burning app for gnome? |
| 04:03.15 | donw | Sup3rFly: man make-kpkg |
| 04:04.41 | donw | Detox: If you're going to run X, Mozilla, etc., a PII/400 machine or better will be required. 256M RAM minimum. |
| 04:04.59 | donw | Detox: Actually, 256M will be fine; 128M minimum. |
| 04:05.17 | bob2 | Sup3rFly: what doesn't the default Debian kernel support, out of interest? |
| 04:05.19 | donw | Detox: Just use XFCE for the WM over KDE. |
| 04:05.20 | kadigibox | Help. How do I make it so that a single program cannot use up so much resources that it freezes up the system |
| 04:05.23 | sporkbomb | Sup3rFly: there is a good howto...search in google for something like, "debian custom kernel" |
| 04:05.42 | kadigibox | Mainly Firefox when flash files are opened |
| 04:05.46 | Detox | thanks |
| 04:05.48 | bob2 | kadigibox: you can't, in general |
| 04:06.05 | schoinobates | kadigibox, take a look at the ulimit command. |
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| 04:06.26 | donw | bob2: The ulimit command will do what he needs. |
| 04:06.47 | kadigibox | *she |
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| 04:07.39 | kadigibox | what package do I need for ulimit command? |
| 04:07.54 | schoinobates | ulimit is a bash built-ing |
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| 04:08.11 | kadigibox | well there is no man page for ulimit |
| 04:08.27 | donw | kadigibox: man bash |
| 04:08.37 | Warp4 | ok anyone know how I can get etch to use gcc 4.0 instead of 3.4? |
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| 04:09.00 | schoinobates | kadigibox, or "info --node='(bash)Bash Builtins'" |
| 04:09.03 | bob2 | donw: not in general |
| 04:09.10 | bob2 | donw: it can't limit cpu time share, for instance |
| 04:09.12 | donw | Warp4: Does it use 'CC' or 'GCC' in the makefile? |
| 04:09.17 | osama | anyone knows how to use clusterssh? i just need to use it for the simple task of entering a command into 20 terminals at the same time, tried reading the manual but doesn't make any sense:( what goes into the add host name field? plz help |
| 04:09.24 | Warp4 | CC |
| 04:09.27 | donw | osama: Why not just vanilla SSH? |
| 04:09.31 | Warp4 | but 3.4 and 4.0 of that are installed as well |
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| 04:09.49 | donw | Warp4: Right, but they have different binaries. You should just need to point CC to the appropriate binary. |
| 04:10.00 | Sup3rFly | donw, what do i need to install to get make-kpkg? |
| 04:10.08 | osama | donw: i'll try vanilla |
| 04:10.23 | donw | Sup3rFly: kernel-package |
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| 04:11.06 | sporkbomb | Sup3rFly: read this --> http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 04:11.34 | c0rrupt_ | is there any command i can run to clear all tmp |
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| 04:12.14 | donw | c0rrupt_: You could find all files with an atime older than 7 days under /tmp, but why? Is it that full? |
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| 04:12.30 | c0rrupt_ | yea |
| 04:12.31 | c0rrupt_ | well |
| 04:12.36 | c0rrupt_ | it had huge 200mb files |
| 04:12.43 | c0rrupt_ | from viewing shit on my external hdd |
| 04:12.58 | c0rrupt_ | i havnt even had kubuntu installed for 7 days |
| 04:13.12 | c0rrupt_ | can i just rm -rf * |
| 04:13.14 | osama | donw: where can i get vanilla ssh? |
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| 04:13.42 | donw | c0rrupt_: 'cd /tmp ; rm -rf *' should be ok; do an 'lsof | grep tmp' to make sure nothing is using it first. |
| 04:13.58 | donw | osama: Vanilla = Normal. As in the standard SSH. |
| 04:14.02 | c0rrupt_ | lsof? |
| 04:14.10 | donw | c0rrupt_: LiSt Open Files. |
| 04:14.33 | c0rrupt_ | grep |
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| 04:15.13 | osama | donw: i needed to run a command on 20 terminals at the same time, how do i do this with ssh? |
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| 04:16.00 | donw | osama: Just set up a loop in a shell script and call SSH twenty times. |
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| 04:16.15 | Thanatermesis | blender in testing have a big bug ? |
| 04:16.37 | Thanatermesis | (visual bad, pars move, dissapears... etc) |
| 04:16.39 | Thanatermesis | parts |
| 04:16.52 | solidliq | osama: script for ssh with expect |
| 04:17.22 | solidliq | works with python, perl, tcl |
| 04:17.28 | Reilithion | c0rrupt, are you asking what grep is? |
| 04:17.34 | donw | solidliq: Or host keys. :) |
| 04:17.49 | solidliq | heheh |
| 04:18.41 | donw | Reilithion: I should hope not... |
| 04:19.03 | Reilithion | I feel the same, donw |
| 04:19.42 | Reilithion | I like dpkg's description of grep. |
| 04:19.46 | Reilithion | it's cute. |
| 04:19.48 | donw | Reilithion: Especially after arguing how crappy Windows was next to Unix; I agree, but if you don't know grep, you certainly don't know Unix. *grin* |
| 04:19.59 | donw | Reilithion: Indeed. |
| 04:20.00 | solidliq | I do too, just read it :) |
| 04:20.01 | Reilithion | hehe |
| 04:20.33 | solidliq | donw: the same could be said for sed and awk |
| 04:20.37 | osama | how do i make a loop in a shell script? |
| 04:20.40 | Reilithion | !seen liable |
| 04:20.41 | dpkg | liable <n=linux@203.49.211.133> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6h 46m 2s ago, saying: 'lildude: yes'. |
| 04:20.43 | solidliq | heh, said for sed |
| 04:21.01 | solidliq | osama: for $NUM in `seq 1 10` |
| 04:21.02 | donw | solidliq: That's true, although I have a bad habit of starting to write complex awk scripts, which I then reimplement in Perl because it's a hell of a lot easier to work with. |
| 04:21.17 | solidliq | osama: is like for i = 1 to 10 in old-school basic |
| 04:21.20 | Reilithion | !seen kurumin |
| 04:21.20 | dpkg | kurumin <N=kurumin@200-153-147-187.dsl.telesp.net.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 4h 48m 15s ago, saying: 'Algu้m fala portug๊s?'. |
| 04:21.24 | donw | osama: Google 'bash scripting guide'. |
| 04:21.35 | solidliq | or for( int i = 1; i <= 10; ++i ) |
| 04:21.36 | Reilithion | lol |
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| 04:22.23 | Reilithion | I've been meaning to thank zer for helping me with my wireless connection. |
| 04:22.29 | solidliq | donw: I use python instead. I hate perl |
| 04:22.41 | solidliq | I'm thinking about learning ruby tho |
| 04:22.49 | gravity | ruby is wonderful |
| 04:22.56 | osama | last question hopefully, what's the command to open up a new terminal? |
| 04:23.01 | donw | solidliq: Python is good too, but I've been using Perl too long to care about switching. Even if I think Larry is a pansy. |
| 04:23.03 | solidliq | Reilition: how'd you get it working, I'm trying to do that right now (broadcom chipset) |
| 04:23.09 | initiate | how do i search for files in linux ? |
| 04:23.15 | solidliq | osama: bash? |
| 04:23.16 | donw | initiate: man find |
| 04:23.31 | solidliq | donw: or php is good too |
| 04:23.47 | solidliq | initiate: and man slocate |
| 04:24.00 | solidliq | (with man updatedb) |
| 04:24.04 | donw | solidliq: Oh, I thought we were talking about the shell. *grin* PHP for web-based, Java for X-based, C for console-based, and Perl for anything too ugly to do in Bash. |
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| 04:24.31 | Reilithion | solidliq: I wasn't having trouble getting the driver to work, or to get the card to recognize the network. I was having trouble getting past the router. I solved it by buying a new wireless access point =/ |
| 04:24.33 | osama | solidliq: no that didnt' work, wanted to open up another terminal with a command |
| 04:24.54 | solidliq | donw: php for shell too, I just like python for anything fairly simple, otherwise C if it's fairly simple, C++ otherwise |
| 04:24.55 | donw | Reilithion: I had to do that recently at my new office. Bloody thing worked with everything BUT my laptop. |
| 04:24.57 | Ayano | Okay, first time that I installed debian. I have heard great things, the mouse didn't load, so x wont start. How do I reconfigure the mouse? |
| 04:25.09 | initiate | Ti've read that solidliq but i can't understand it :/ |
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| 04:25.28 | initiate | let's say if i want to search for *.iso ... what should i write ? |
| 04:25.38 | initiate | (i don't know where the file is located) |
| 04:25.39 | donw | solidliq: Too many sysadmins are better with Perl as opposed to PHP; I try and think of the next poor sap who has to maintain things. That, and Perl has more in the way of shell-interactive functionality (IIRC). |
| 04:25.41 | Rez | locate *.iso |
| 04:25.43 | Reilithion | solidliq: Yeah. Some windows laptops were working just fine. Any idea why it seemed to work that way? |
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| 04:26.24 | initiate | thanks |
| 04:26.26 | YaleR | initiate: if nobody told you yet, you have to updatedb inorder to have an updated locate. |
| 04:26.41 | solidliq | hmm, dunno, my wireless network works fine, just have to get the driver for my card working |
| 04:27.00 | solidliq | donw: I'm more of a coder than a sysadmin, so I code for coders :) |
| 04:27.01 | Reilithion | what kind of card is it? |
| 04:27.02 | Sup3rFly | woot |
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| 04:27.09 | Sup3rFly | rebooting machine remotely after kernel upgrade |
| 04:27.30 | donw | solidliq: Well, there you go. Python is a better tool for teaching kids to program as well. |
| 04:27.32 | solidliq | Reilition: a belkin with a broadcom chipset |
| 04:27.34 | Reilithion | !grat Sup3rFly |
| 04:27.58 | Reilithion | Oh yeah. For a moment I forgot I was on irc.debian.org |
| 04:28.00 | donw | Sup3rFly: Cross fingers and hope it's pingable in a few minutes. |
| 04:28.04 | Ayano | how do I upgrade everything? |
| 04:28.05 | solidliq | donw: yep, have been thinking about writing a coding for kids book... |
| 04:28.26 | Reilithion | Ayano: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 04:28.42 | wannabe | call it "A is for Assembly" |
| 04:28.47 | solidliq | donw: even better tho, python is excellent for prototyping software. You can use boost::python to make your C++ code callable from python very easily |
| 04:28.55 | solidliq | wannabe: heheh |
| 04:29.04 | donw | solidliq: Python is the way to go; you can quickly develop games, which kids love to do. |
| 04:29.20 | donw | solidliq: Interesting; anything like that for Java? |
| 04:29.32 | deadcat | flash plugin for ppc? |
| 04:29.34 | Warp4 | hey all anyone know where i can get the Berkeley DB libs and dev kits? |
| 04:29.39 | donw | solidliq: I'd use C++ more, but Java is more portable. |
| 04:29.42 | Warp4 | or know what package they are in? |
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| 04:29.51 | Warp4 | i could not find them in packages |
| 04:29.54 | solidliq | donw: with java, everything is more difficult. Java is also much slower to execute |
| 04:30.06 | donw | Warp4: libdb4 |
| 04:30.09 | solidliq | C++ with Qt is portable |
| 04:30.14 | Warp4 | donw, thanks :) |
| 04:30.23 | sporkbomb | hehe |
| 04:30.34 | solidliq | heheh |
| 04:30.36 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 04:30.39 | deadcat | Gnea: whats your name? |
| 04:30.41 | xai | Why doesn't lvm-common add the right runlevel startup scripts in rcS.d so that lvm volumes get mounted at boot? running etch. |
| 04:30.48 | donw | solidliq: Depends on the system; Java has gotten pretty peppy recently, and while it is harder to code in, the write-once-run-anywhere bit actually works now, across Windows, OSX, and Linux. |
| 04:31.07 | Warp4 | uhura:/home/robert# apt-get install libdb4 |
| 04:31.07 | Warp4 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 04:31.07 | Warp4 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 04:31.07 | Warp4 | E: Couldn't find package libdb4 |
| 04:31.07 | Warp4 | uhura:/home/robert# apt-get install libdb4-dev |
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| 04:31.07 | solidliq | donw: yeah but the gui code still sux |
| 04:31.07 | donw | solidliq: Wouldn't write games in it, but for DB-interactive office apps, it's the cat's meow. |
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| 04:31.24 | Warp4 | erg sorry folks |
| 04:31.27 | donw | solidliq: Have you tried it recently? The new Swing stuff is really nice. |
| 04:31.51 | solidliq | donw: I haven't touched it in about a year |
| 04:31.52 | donw | solidliq: I just don't like C++ because I'm an old-school C guy; C++ feels dirty to me. *grin* |
| 04:31.52 | sporkbomb | In my opinion, games actually turn out pretty decent in Java, as long as you don't use swing |
| 04:31.54 | xai | Is this an lvm bug or feature? |
| 04:32.10 | donw | sporkbomb: Use the GL framework? |
| 04:32.14 | solidliq | heheh, C++ is a better C, just like D is a better C++ (or will be) |
| 04:32.39 | sporkbomb | donw: even using simple single component stuff |
| 04:32.55 | donw | solidliq: Oh hell, not another SLA. |
| 04:32.56 | Reilithion | C++ got too messy trying to be compatible with too many things. |
| 04:32.59 | solidliq | I learned C in 89, C++ in 92, now I have a love/hate relationship with them both since I've seen D |
| 04:33.09 | sporkbomb | hehe |
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| 04:33.20 | Reilithion | Java is nicer. I'd love to see Java get a bit leaner and faster. |
| 04:33.26 | solidliq | C++ is a mess |
| 04:33.26 | Ayano | how do I reinstall mouse drivers? |
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| 04:33.38 | solidliq | Java, imo, is a mess too |
| 04:33.42 | sporkbomb | Reilithion: we'll rely on moores law for that one |
| 04:33.51 | donw | solidliq: Yeah, but it was a mess from the *ground* *up*. C++ congealed. ;) |
| 04:34.01 | solidliq | I like C# better than Java, but won't use it |
| 04:34.12 | solidliq | donw: :) no kidding |
| 04:34.14 | Reilithion | solildliq: where can I find more info on D? |
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| 04:34.25 | solidliq | www.digitalmars.com |
| 04:34.31 | osama | is there a bash scripting code that will enter a command into all the existing terminals? |
| 04:34.35 | solidliq | created by Walter Bright |
| 04:34.43 | mwilson | You know, I must be the *only* person that uses a2ps any more. |
| 04:34.55 | solidliq | mwilson: yep |
| 04:34.56 | solidliq | :) |
| 04:34.57 | donw | mwilson: No, I do from time to time. |
| 04:34.59 | mwilson | It's been broken for a week, and no one has noticed. |
| 04:35.02 | donw | mwilson: Or enscript. |
| 04:35.08 | mwilson | Feh. enscript. |
| 04:35.13 | mwilson | GNU trash. |
| 04:35.19 | solidliq | eheheh |
| 04:35.39 | mwilson | More than a week. Since the -5 upload. I just hadn't taken the time to figure out what was wrong with it before now. |
| 04:35.44 | donw | mwilson: It sends stuff to my printer, which I can then read. I don't care if it's maintained by filthy hippies. |
| 04:35.50 | solidliq | seriously, check out D, it has a lot of potential |
| 04:35.54 | donw | solidliq: I shall. |
| 04:36.33 | donw | solidliq: Only thing I wish Java had was a way to explicitly nuke objects. |
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| 04:36.46 | solidliq | donw: I'm not maintaining it... (I'm a filthy hippy! j/k... just a hippy... heheh, actually, just long hair... anyway) |
| 04:37.15 | solidliq | donw: yeah, but the garbage control actually doesn't seem to be that bad, right? |
| 04:37.48 | donw | solidliq: No, it's irritating as hell. Java wouldn't have half the memory problem it does if programmers could tell the JVM to bloody nuke unused objects. |
| 04:38.49 | osama | is there a bash scripting code that will enter a command into all the existing terminals? plz help |
| 04:38.59 | solidliq | donw: yeah, but here's the prob: you and I would, but I doubt most others would. Too many people are like, "YAY, GARBAGE COLLECTION!!! Now I actually WON'T leak every last bit of memory I allocate!!) hehh |
| 04:39.19 | solidliq | osama: no |
| 04:39.28 | zinx | RAII (Resource Acquisition Is Initialization). RAII techniques are an essential component of writing reliable software. |
| 04:39.29 | donw | solidliq: That's the one thing I like about C and C++; I can manage my own pointers, thanks, and malloc(), remalloc(), and free() are my friends. |
| 04:39.39 | zinx | it's also a great way to make a slow operation even slower |
| 04:39.58 | solidliq | donw: no kidding, and I do like the RAII of C++ |
| 04:40.17 | donw | solidliq: That's because it does things the same way C does. :) |
| 04:40.19 | solidliq | zinx: that's why you fix your broken design ;) |
| 04:40.30 | donw | Ouch, zing! |
| 04:40.34 | solidliq | heheh |
| 04:41.08 | solidliq | I guess ghutze didn't have the guts to be in the channel any longer! :) |
| 04:41.15 | zinx | solidliq: uh, initializing when it's not needed is broken design, not the other way around |
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| 04:41.38 | sporkbomb | donw: your semester is still going? |
| 04:41.41 | solidliq | zinx: and when exactly is it not needed? |
| 04:42.00 | donw | zinx: No, it's good design, because it prevents the use of uninitialized objects. If you don't need it, don't bloody include it. |
| 04:42.25 | donw | sporkbomb: No; starts in three weeks, but she's doing summer classes, and, er...lives in Japan. |
| 04:42.26 | solidliq | yeah, overload the default constructor. But still, when is it NOT needed? |
| 04:42.32 | zinx | solidliq: when you're about to fill it with data that needs to be calculated |
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| 04:43.17 | psychonate | eh, gnome baker kind of sucks :( |
| 04:43.22 | solidliq | zinx: so, overload the default constructor, and add your own protection mechanism: isInitialized_ = false; |
| 04:43.28 | zinx | solidliq: especially when all of the memory may not be used (and it can't be known ahead-of-time whether this is true without processing all of the data, which often would be slow, and mean you process it twice) |
| 04:43.49 | psychonate | won't let me rearrange the order of songs that I've added when doing an Audio Disk project |
| 04:44.04 | psychonate | seems like a simple feature that it should probably have IMO |
| 04:44.12 | zinx | solidliq: oh, i see, you're one of those omg-everything-should-be-OO nuts |
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| 04:44.35 | sporkbomb | zinx: shouldn't it? |
| 04:44.39 | donw | K, 'night all. Please chatting with you, solidliq. |
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| 04:44.42 | sporkbomb | hehe |
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| 04:44.57 | whaymes | could someone help a new linux/debian user please? |
| 04:45.06 | solidliq | zinx: so get away from the old dark-ages lists and get into the modern world: one object per chunk of data. |
| 04:45.19 | bob2 | whaymes: it's way easier if you just ask your question |
| 04:45.24 | solidliq | donw: night |
| 04:45.29 | Reilithion | OOP eliminates oops |
| 04:45.35 | Reilithion | or at least helps |
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| 04:45.39 | sporkbomb | solidliq: when will objects be all the way down? when will we live in a world wide web of objects, where files are obsolete? |
| 04:45.43 | sporkbomb | hehehe |
| 04:45.44 | bleh | hi, i have a small pblm with lilo, hda has lilo installed on it and win.., hdb has debian. in my lilo.conf, my boot device is set to /dev/hda , when i unplug hdb from the ide connector, the computer can't find the primary master disk .. (hda is set to master and connected to the primary ide connector ) any idea what's going on ? |
| 04:45.49 | ugenn | anyone familiar with ipsec? it is possible to enable NAT-traversal without using racoon? |
| 04:45.59 | solidliq | zinx: haven't you ever had a data-structures class? that's what modern data structures are for. |
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| 04:46.59 | whaymes | ok sure, i installed debian on my desktop and ran gnome but the res is really bad 640x480, i dont know if it was to do with the installation that i did or whether it is a setting you can change inside debian or the gnome environment (i checked gnome and the only resolution available was 640x480) please help? |
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| 04:47.08 | solidliq | zinx: and if you hate the protect the programmer from himself camp, you've obviously never worked on a project where you wrote 100,000+ lines of code, and therefore could not keep track of all of it in your head and therefore NEEDED that protection |
| 04:47.29 | rking | whaymes: ok, welcome to the world of XF86Config |
| 04:47.44 | mfrisch | whaymes dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:47.54 | whaymes | ill try that now :) |
| 04:47.55 | rking | yeah, what mfrisch said |
| 04:48.09 | whaymes | thank you very much |
| 04:48.46 | paivakil | whaymes: use ``screen resolution'' from gnom control center |
| 04:48.59 | solidliq | brb |
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| 04:49.19 | whaymes | paivakil: i tried that already it only lets me choose the 640x480 or less |
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| 04:49.34 | whaymes | im gonna try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 :) |
| 04:49.46 | mfrisch | whaymes dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didn't work? |
| 04:50.11 | whaymes | not sure im booting it up |
| 04:50.11 | daedalus_ | !lart Reilithion |
| 04:50.38 | rking | daedalus_: thanks. |
| 04:50.51 | Reilithion | wtf |
| 04:51.04 | Reilithion | What was that for? |
| 04:51.09 | daedalus_ | rking: np |
| 04:51.20 | sweet_girl | hai cating yuuk |
| 04:51.28 | daedalus_ | Reilithion: for generally being greasy |
| 04:51.33 | daedalus_ | !jp |
| 04:51.34 | dpkg | somebody said jp was Japan |
| 04:52.00 | Warp4 | hmmmm |
| 04:52.01 | asuffield | that wasn't japanese |
| 04:52.06 | daedalus_ | my bad |
| 04:52.12 | Warp4 | anyone know where the uudeview.h file can be had? |
| 04:52.14 | asuffield | looks more like korean, but I'm not sure, I don't know korean |
| 04:53.15 | daedalus_ | asuffield: I was guessing and hoping there was an entry for a #debian-jp or similar... though it sounds like I was off on the lang anyway |
| 04:53.34 | rking | Warp4: possibly apt-get source uudeview (?) |
| 04:53.41 | asuffield | there's a whole different server for japanese anyway |
| 04:53.52 | daedalus_ | asuffield: good point |
| 04:53.56 | whaymes | ok ive got it to reconfigure i think |
| 04:54.00 | Reilithion | daedalus: what do you mean "greasy"? |
| 04:54.25 | mfrisch | whaymes /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 04:55.16 | whaymes | mfrisch: i think im almost there :S its more confusing than when it installed the first time ill tell you if it works in a sec :) |
| 04:55.17 | daedalus_ | Reilithion: a large number of people have come in here, and you have not greeted them. Someone wanders in with a feminine looking name and you pipe up like mr. suave... This is not a pickup joint |
| 04:55.26 | rking | Reilithion: it was just... a person came in with a femaloid nick, and you were like, "hey bebbe... waz goin awn?" |
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| 04:56.35 | Reilithion | Hehe. You say that like it's a bad thing. |
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| 04:57.13 | micker | hello all... I know, this isnt exactly the right forum for this question, but its pretty close... I'm running xandros 3 and I'm trying to install qtparted... the deb wont install for lack of libreiserfs0.3-0 and there doesnt seem to be a package for it anywhere... is anyone familliar with this package, and could possibly point me in the right direction for finding it? |
| 04:57.16 | Thanatermesis | Ok, blender for testing have a BIG bug, all grafical environment frozen, moves, dissapears... totally inusable, I have tested a static binary file from blender and works good, not are my system |
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| 04:57.33 | daedalus_ | Reilithion: #debian is not a pickup joint... go to a real bar, or use google for it's ultimate purpose... don't bring it here. |
| 04:57.36 | Reilithion | Anyway, just how many females do you know who give a crap about linux? I think we need to make them feel welcome. |
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| 04:58.06 | daedalus_ | Reilithion: you make them feel welcome by not patronizing them or making them feel like targets. |
| 04:58.34 | Reilithion | I greeted zer, daedalus. I didn't say, "how big are your boobs" |
| 04:58.49 | Reilithion | You assume an awful lot about me. |
| 04:59.06 | aeronadix | Reilithion, get some oil and take it to efnet |
| 04:59.38 | cplx | dig: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
| 04:59.55 | cplx | anyone have any idea on a resolution? |
| 05:00.27 | whaymes | mfrisch: ok this time it let me add 24bit colour and 1024x768 and i typed in the /etc/init.d/gdm restart and it says it cannot start the x server saying my graphical interface isnt set up correctly :S |
| 05:00.31 | daedalus_ | cplx: bizzare |
| 05:00.40 | daedalus_ | cplx: as root? |
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| 05:00.56 | rking | cplx: how are you invoking dig? |
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| 05:01.42 | Supaplex | with his eyebrow |
| 05:01.44 | rking | i don't actually know why dig is linked against libcrypto at all |
| 05:02.03 | rking | cplx: well thar's yer prawblem! stop invokin it with yuh aaaye browwwe. |
| 05:02.23 | daedalus_ | rking: I was wondering that myself |
| 05:02.35 | rking | daedalus_: are we the same person? |
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| 05:02.56 | Supaplex | my guess is dns w/public key verification extensions |
| 05:03.04 | daedalus_ | rking: perhaps. Alt universe. I think your hair is redder than mine |
| 05:03.31 | rking | Supaplex: i did not know about such. i guess that makes sense. |
| 05:03.54 | Supaplex | iirc, it has something to do with that general area. but as generalizations go ... :-D |
| 05:04.03 | whaymes | whooohoooo!!!! |
| 05:04.09 | whaymes | 24bit colour :) |
| 05:04.16 | rking | whaymes: what res? |
| 05:04.26 | whaymes | 1024x768 :) |
| 05:04.48 | rking | whaymes: and did you do anything but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 05:04.54 | mwilson | grrr |
| 05:04.56 | whaymes | no |
| 05:05.00 | whaymes | it was my driver |
| 05:05.02 | TwistedEmotions | If I want a html page all in black what is the code for that? <body color=black>? |
| 05:05.06 | whaymes | i used vga but it was actually nv |
| 05:05.12 | TwistedEmotions | Err... sorry wrong room ;P |
| 05:05.14 | Reilithion | Hey, how can I find out what login script is invoking a given command? I need to stop invoking esd on login. |
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| 05:05.38 | mwilson | Reilithion: You mean other than looking? |
| 05:05.43 | rking | Reilithion: look in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 05:05.49 | Piccard | LEAVE |
| 05:06.10 | rking | mwilson: /etc/init.d/rc counts as a script. =) |
| 05:06.13 | whaymes | thanks guys :) |
| 05:06.21 | rking | yeah, so there's the answer: /etc/init.d/rc |
| 05:06.24 | mwilson | rking: But doesn't have anything to do with a login. |
| 05:06.33 | rking | oh, yeah. you got me. |
| 05:07.11 | daedalus_ | Reilithion: well, you could grep around in /etc/init.d/ for things containing 'esd', for starters |
| 05:07.42 | daedalus_ | And then use update-rc.d to appropriately remove it from the startup sequence |
| 05:07.54 | mwilson | gravity: Hey, aren't libxcomposite and friends yours too? |
| 05:08.00 | gravity | mwilson: Yeah |
| 05:08.08 | mwilson | They didn't get installed. |
| 05:08.14 | mwilson | Were they supposed to? |
| 05:08.22 | gravity | No idea really |
| 05:08.28 | gravity | Not if they're not needed I guess |
| 05:08.36 | Reilithion | thanks |
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| 05:08.45 | mwilson | Their -dev packages are broken, but you already know that. :) |
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| 05:10.22 | mwilson | There are *99* 6.8.2.dfsg.1-5 packages installed on my machine now... balkanization be damned. |
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| 05:11.51 | deadcat | gravity: got -5 on my ibook (= |
| 05:11.59 | gravity | deadcat: It works for you? |
| 05:12.37 | deadcat | gravity: havent reboot yet. i am sewing up my pocket heheh |
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| 05:13.17 | mwilson | gravity: You don't expect it to? :) |
| 05:13.28 | gravity | mwilson: He was having issues with it ealier |
| 05:14.12 | mwilson | I *really* need to find a good XKB reference so I can figure out what's broken in it. This Super_L/Hyper_L sh*t is for the birds. |
| 05:14.19 | Reilithion | If I'm in /etc/init.d and I invoke grep esd *, shoutldn't /something/ come up, assuming it's invoked from one of those scripts? |
| 05:14.40 | mwilson | Reilithion: Certainly. It's not, of course, which is why you don't find anything. |
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| 05:15.09 | mwilson | Either that, or Denis is the only person on the planet who understands XKB. |
| 05:15.20 | Reilithion | mwilson: I see. How, then, can I find out where esd is being started whenever I log in? |
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| 05:15.21 | rking | Reilithion: try pstree -pal lucas (or whatever) and see if you can figure out where it's coming from |
| 05:15.48 | Reilithion | ok |
| 05:16.02 | mwilson | At least THAT way, I have a Meta key. |
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| 05:16.53 | Reilithion | what's the -p option for? |
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| 05:17.05 | sunfl0wer | hello |
| 05:17.58 | Reilithion | esd,7452 -nobeeps <- appears on a line of its own |
| 05:18.09 | rking | Reilithion: nothing above it? |
| 05:18.18 | sunfl0wer | can someone tell me how to hide the last login stamp when you log in with telnet |
| 05:18.40 | rking | Reilithion: it may be orphaned... well, what i'd do if i had no clues on this one: grep '\<esd\>' /etc -r |
| 05:18.44 | mwilson | sunfl0wer: Gotta hide that 'sploit, huh? |
| 05:18.59 | sunfl0wer | nope |
| 05:19.12 | Reilithion | rking: no. clock-applet,7532--oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet_Fa is above it, but at the same indentation |
| 05:19.13 | mwilson | <shrug> An application that thinks it needs esd is going to start esd. Why is this difficult? |
| 05:19.27 | mwilson | If you're running Gnome, Gnome itself started it up. |
| 05:19.31 | sunfl0wer | mwilson, just doing some hacks for my boss |
| 05:19.36 | mwilson | sunfl0wer: Sure you are. |
| 05:19.43 | Reilithion | ok |
| 05:19.58 | sunfl0wer | yes |
| 05:20.07 | rking | Reilithion: i meant "above" in the parent sense... mwilson's got the deal, though |
| 05:20.27 | sunfl0wer | i mean not hide in the last login |
| 05:20.46 | mwilson | ack |
| 05:20.47 | sunfl0wer | mwilson, i dont want to see the stamp on my terminal |
| 05:20.48 | ohad | does anyone know a good howto for postfix setup with postfix admin (vritual domains) for sarge? - i asked at #postfix |
| 05:20.56 | deadcat | gravity: no good. )= time to reinstall xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:20.56 | mwilson | sunfl0wer: Sure you don't. |
| 05:21.10 | Reilithion | rking: Yeah, I figured that's what you meant. So, the answer would be "no". |
| 05:21.11 | sunfl0wer | i don't mynd if the session is logged |
| 05:21.35 | gravity | deadcat: Sorry. I'm working on 6.9rc0 packages right now |
| 05:21.42 | sunfl0wer | just not wanted to see the stamp on my terminal when i log in |
| 05:21.49 | deadcat | gravity: thats cool. i;ll wait. |
| 05:22.55 | sunfl0wer | mwilson, can i paste here? |
| 05:23.22 | mwilson | sunfl0wer: I don't make the rules here... ask one of the ops. |
| 05:23.41 | sunfl0wer | ok |
| 05:24.49 | subgv | Is it possible to set "screen" to have auth users only? if so, where can I set permission? |
| 05:25.10 | sunfl0wer | mwilson, i don't want to watc this: |
| 05:25.15 | Reilithion | Well, maybe there's another way around it. Apparently, esd is hooked up to /dev/dsp and doesn't seem to want to let anything else play. Should I kill esd, or try to work with it? |
| 05:25.16 | sunfl0wer | Password: |
| 05:25.16 | sunfl0wer | Last login: Fri Aug 12 07:13:41 2005 from 172.16.194.26 on pts/5 |
| 05:25.16 | sunfl0wer | Linux tigre Wed Jul 27 09:54:15 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:25.36 | sunfl0wer | no problem if session is logged in wtemp |
| 05:25.57 | sunfl0wer | mwilson, can you help me please |
| 05:25.59 | jm_ | Reilithion: -as switch comes in handy for that |
| 05:26.52 | Reilithion | jm_ I'd love to, but I can't figure out where esd is invoked from |
| 05:27.08 | Reilithion | so I can hardly add switches |
| 05:27.42 | jm_ | Reilithion: ahh I start it by hand now (don't use GNOME and the likes), can't wait till I install SB128 to get rid of the crap |
| 05:28.51 | Reilithion | Oh, and rking |
| 05:29.07 | Reilithion | I grepped the /etc directory. Can I show you the results in #flood? |
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| 05:30.57 | rking | Reilithion: rafb.net/paste |
| 05:31.01 | Reilithion | k |
| 05:32.11 | Reilithion | http://rafb.net/paste/results/GRQMPg11.html |
| 05:33.46 | jm_ | hah set it in /etc/esound/esd.conf |
| 05:34.28 | jm_ | I see its man page has been much improved in Sarge compared to old versions ;) |
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| 05:36.40 | Reilithion | in esd.conf: spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 5 |
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| 05:36.44 | shdl | Hi, is there any difference in the compression used from a .tar.gz file and a .tar.Z file ? |
| 05:36.50 | Demosthenes | any makefile gurus around? |
| 05:36.52 | Reilithion | yet I can't use my /dev/dsp at all |
| 05:38.32 | Reilithion | Hmm. Let me try killing esd... |
| 05:38.32 | jm_ | is it actually running with -as 5? |
| 05:38.59 | jm_ | shdl: yes, one is compressed using "compress", the other using "gzip" |
| 05:39.08 | jaalto | Demosthenes: No gurus, but shoot |
| 05:39.56 | shdl | jm_, ho ok and i suppose that .Z is compress no ? |
| 05:40.00 | Reilithion | jm_: seems not. |
| 05:40.01 | jm_ | shdl: yes |
| 05:40.11 | shdl | jm_, thx a lot |
| 05:40.26 | Reilithion | and killing esd lets me play music and sound. |
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| 05:40.34 | jm_ | Reilithion: yeah it doesn't look like it's honouring that option for me |
| 05:41.28 | Demosthenes | jaalto: i have a tar file i want make to manage. a simple directory tree is tarred up, and i only want to rebuild the tar file if any file in the tree is newer than the tarfile. with dynamic dependency detection (ie: find simpletree -type f) |
| 05:41.55 | Reilithion | k. So a mixer's purpose is to allow multiple programs to output sound to one place and mix it all together so that the speakers can actually play it, right? |
| 05:43.10 | jm_ | yes, there are some cards that can do this in hardware, then there's ALSA which has dmix plugin which makes this possible, and then there are things lik esd/arts - listed in order from good to crap ;) |
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| 05:44.32 | Reilithion | Ok. So, how do I figure out if one of those is already available? |
| 05:45.13 | jaalto | Demosthenes: Wait, I'm testting the tar(1) |
| 05:45.19 | jm_ | what card is it? |
| 05:45.25 | Demosthenes | jaalto: mind if i flood you a msg? |
| 05:45.49 | jaalto | Demosthenes: go ahead |
| 05:45.55 | Reilithion | intel ihc |
| 05:46.08 | jm_ | forgot to mention jack (which is also ALSA thing) |
| 05:46.18 | jm_ | yay, on-board crap? do you use 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:46.53 | Demosthenes | jaalto: again, use find to discover all the files that belong in the tar, and recreate the tar if they are newer. currently, its recreating the tar every time it runs, and i'm stumped as to why |
| 05:46.53 | Reilithion | Um. rather embarassing, but I forget how to check. |
| 05:47.01 | jm_ | uname -r |
| 05:47.13 | Reilithion | Yeah. 2.6.10 |
| 05:47.25 | jm_ | ok, so use alsa and "/msg dpkg dmix" |
| 05:47.38 | czon | hi there, just wondering if cdimage.debian.org could have wrong mb5sums? coz i have downloaded same iso, from 2 different ftp's, 3 times now to both my computers and i get same mb5sum everytime.. wrong one :/ |
| 05:47.43 | Reilithion | ok |
| 05:48.42 | Demosthenes | jaalto: you can ignore the gpgfile part, it depends on the tarfile. ;] |
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| 05:49.36 | Demosthenes | jaalto: duh, it just hit me, thanks for helping me reevaluate it |
| 05:52.04 | rking | soooooo fellas, when is debian going to finally use a utf-8 locale by default? |
| 05:52.07 | hcy | help please! Some weird things have happened to me since yesterday. One is that if I hold a key down - whether it be a regular letter, or an arrow key, the key doesn't repeat itself, like it used to. The second is that when I select a window behind another selected window, the old window doesn't move behind the newly selected window - it acts as if it has "always on top" selected. If I open the window menu, select 'on top', then open it agai |
| 05:52.07 | hcy | n and deselect 'on top' that works temporarily until that window's selected again, then the same problem occurs (I use debian/gnome btw) |
| 05:52.08 | deadcat | czon: maybe its your fault? i mean suck ass download |
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| 05:52.46 | jm_ | hcy: you can toggle repeat on/off with xset, read its man page |
| 05:52.53 | Reilithion | jm_: also, any idea why esd is starting up when I log in as a regular user? |
| 05:53.00 | jm_ | Reilithion: are you using GNOME? |
| 05:53.01 | deepz | i have a debain sarge installed with kernel 2.6.8 |
| 05:53.04 | hcy | jm_: ok, thanks |
| 05:53.04 | Reilithion | yes |
| 05:53.11 | deepz | i have done apt-get for ipvsadm |
| 05:53.13 | hcy | jm_: any idea about the weird 'on top' issue? |
| 05:53.16 | deepz | 2.4 |
| 05:53.26 | deepz | now it says there is no kernel suport |
| 05:53.44 | deepz | where shld i enable kernel support in kernel |
| 05:53.47 | czon | deadcat: if so, why dont jigdo correct the file? |
| 05:53.49 | jm_ | Reilithion: well then ... |
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| 05:54.10 | jm_ | hcy: not really, it's a window manager thing |
| 05:54.33 | Reilithion | Oh crud. Don't tell me it's that "Enable sound server on startup" thing? |
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| 05:54.52 | jm_ | yes |
| 05:54.54 | mwilson | Reilithion: Uh, well, yeah. |
| 05:55.26 | Reilithion | crappity. I can't believe those neurons didn't grow together until now. |
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| 05:56.10 | Reilithion | That being the case, can I have system sound events without it interfering with normal sound programs? |
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| 05:56.48 | jm_ | you'll still be able to play only one sound at the same time |
| 05:57.16 | Reilithion | Is that the kind of thing that dmix would be able to fix? |
| 05:57.50 | jm_ | right |
| 05:57.54 | Reilithion | coolies |
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| 05:59.21 | trend | hello |
| 05:59.47 | trend | I need to initialize a hd that is on my pci raid card.. How can I initalized it, format it, then mount it? |
| 06:00.52 | jm_ | initialize a hd - what's that supposed to mean? |
| 06:01.15 | trend | whta do I need to do to get this hd going? |
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| 06:02.01 | jm_ | partition, create file systems, mount |
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| 06:03.11 | trend | how will I know what hd to do that too? (I am new to raid as you can see) |
| 06:03.17 | trend | I am using a PCI raid card.. |
| 06:03.31 | cyborg | whats a good image viewer for gnome? |
| 06:03.58 | pinko | feh is a good image viewer for anything |
| 06:04.00 | ke6isf | cyborg: gqview |
| 06:04.05 | jm_ | PCI raid? is that a real RAID or some software based crap? if it's software based, then you are far better off using Linux software RAID solutions |
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| 06:04.37 | trend | hardware raid.. a real card :) 3ware escalade 7006 |
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| 06:04.43 | ke6isf | jm_: Well, he said "PCI raid card", so I suspect hardware.... |
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| 06:05.35 | trend | some raid cards are not full hardware raid.. some use both, is that what you ment jm_ ? |
| 06:05.35 | YaleR | hey! where did nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source go? :o |
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| 06:06.11 | Supaplex | !pal YaleR |
| 06:06.51 | YaleR | sooo... does that mean it's gone forever? forever ever? forever ever ever?! |
| 06:07.17 | YaleR | hungry hungry hipppo |
| 06:07.48 | YaleR | !hippo |
| 06:07.48 | dpkg | it has been said that hippo is hegemon |
| 06:07.53 | trend | anyone? |
| 06:07.55 | YaleR | okay... |
| 06:07.57 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 06:09.25 | Supaplex | !sleep |
| 06:09.26 | dpkg | from memory, sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... |
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| 06:09.49 | Supaplex | eeehhh yeah *zonk* |
| 06:10.08 | `wasabi | im trying to unmount but it tells me device is busy |
| 06:10.11 | Reilithion | Unix were created so that boys would still sing with high voices after the age of puberty. |
| 06:10.12 | `wasabi | whut do i need to do? |
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| 06:10.49 | ke6isf | `wasabi: You might get rid of the ` in your nick, it's a bit annoying. |
| 06:10.53 | trend | jm_: ? |
| 06:10.57 | `wasabi | its annoying? |
| 06:11.01 | ke6isf | `wasabi: Yes, it is. |
| 06:11.04 | `wasabi | how so |
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| 06:11.15 | ke6isf | !iyhtays |
| 06:11.15 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 06:11.22 | BlowMe | ok |
| 06:11.27 | ke6isf | BlowMe: Better. |
| 06:11.30 | BlowMe | :D |
| 06:11.35 | BlowMe | so can you help me now? |
| 06:11.54 | ke6isf | BlowMe: Are you currently in a directory on the volume you're trying to umount, or is there a process whose wd is on that volume? |
| 06:12.09 | BlowMe | do i need to cd to tha mount point? |
| 06:12.18 | BlowMe | and yea theres a proccess runnin |
| 06:12.23 | BlowMe | my samba servers...should i kill? |
| 06:12.31 | sigma957 | just type cd to go back to your home directory |
| 06:12.35 | ke6isf | BlowMe: Then that's probably why you can't umount the volumen. |
| 06:12.46 | ke6isf | s/volumen/volume |
| 06:12.48 | ke6isf | =O.o= |
| 06:12.54 | ThankYou | alright thx |
| 06:12.58 | ke6isf | Gladly. |
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| 06:13.21 | ThankYou | ah now i see why that s annoying |
| 06:13.23 | ThankYou | the ` |
| 06:13.41 | mrgenixus | hello, if I want to redirect the output of tar over ssh to tar on the other side can I do that/ |
| 06:13.53 | mrgenixus | or perhaps to cat |
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| 06:14.39 | ssm | mrgenixus: Yes, but make sure you have a ssh key set, so you don't have to enter your password |
| 06:14.43 | mrgenixus | domething like "tar -cvpjf ~ | ssh myserver cat > backup.tar" |
| 06:14.53 | mrgenixus | will that work? |
| 06:15.01 | jm_ | trend: hold on |
| 06:15.11 | hcy | how do i disable a certain dpkg from upgrading with an error? I remember there was something i needed to echo to dpkg, but can't remember how |
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| 06:15.35 | ssm | ( cd /where/is/my/stuff && tar cf - .) | ( ssh someotherhost.example.com "cd /where/to/put/stuff && tar xf -" ) |
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| 06:15.52 | hcy | i think the bot here had instructions on doing it but can't remember what to ask the bot for it |
| 06:16.02 | jm_ | trend: it's not a real RAID if it requires drivers |
| 06:16.11 | ssm | jm_: really... |
| 06:16.24 | mrgenixus | ssm: well, I want the archive |
| 06:16.29 | hcy | please |
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| 06:16.30 | jun3rd | hi everyone |
| 06:16.35 | trend | thinking.... |
| 06:16.39 | ke6isf | Hello jun3rd |
| 06:16.44 | ssm | mrgenixus: then you could cat the result to some file, yes |
| 06:16.52 | mrgenixus | ssm: ok |
| 06:17.27 | Danny_Lion | hi! |
| 06:17.28 | ke6isf | !tell hcy -about hold |
| 06:17.31 | ke6isf | Hello Danny_Lion |
| 06:17.32 | ssm | mrgenixus: instead of "tar xf -" in the second parenthesis, use "cat > whatever.tar" |
| 06:17.35 | mrgenixus | that - says to do it on standard out? |
| 06:17.44 | ke6isf | hcy: Was that it? |
| 06:17.48 | jun3rd | i'm having a little mail trouble |
| 06:17.51 | hcy | thanks ke6isf, yes it was |
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| 06:17.58 | jun3rd | anyone out there familiar with postfix? |
| 06:18.02 | mrgenixus | ssm "tar -cvpjf - ~ | ssh myserver cat > backup.tar.bz2" |
| 06:18.06 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Yes, I am, what's up? |
| 06:18.08 | mrgenixus | using keys |
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| 06:18.22 | mrgenixus | I think it's working... |
| 06:18.24 | ke6isf | jun3rd: disclaimer: to an extent |
| 06:18.38 | jun3rd | i can send email out bound to my yahoo account , but i can't receive mail |
| 06:18.40 | ssm | mrgenixus: that would create backup.tar.bz2 on the local server |
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| 06:18.46 | defcon8 | anyone proficient in origami? |
| 06:18.55 | ke6isf | jun3rd: What are the symptoms? |
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| 06:19.13 | jun3rd | defcon8, actually the japanese students I host can do all kind of paper folds |
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| 06:19.30 | hcy | ke6isf: do you know anything about my metacity problems? |
| 06:19.39 | defcon8 | jun3rd, naah but like me, doing it since they were 4 years old and shit. i wanna speak to a proper origamist |
| 06:19.45 | ke6isf | hcy: Nope. I know nothing of metacity. Sorry. |
| 06:19.57 | dubbaluga | hi! has anybody experience with the realtime-lsm module and "make-kpkg"? |
| 06:20.04 | ssm | mrgenixus: ( cd ~ && tar cvpjf - . ) | ssh server.example.com "cat > backup.tar.bz2" |
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| 06:20.17 | ssm | ...the "cat" may be redundant, though |
| 06:20.30 | mrgenixus | ssm: I'm pretty sure it's not, it might be |
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| 06:20.52 | mrgenixus | ssm: how do I set up key auth. I did it once, but I haven't been able to repeat my good results |
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| 06:21.06 | mrgenixus | ssm: please say you know |
| 06:21.12 | jun3rd | oops got lost |
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| 06:21.29 | ssm | you can use ssh-keygen -t dsa, enter another key name, and no password. |
| 06:21.40 | defcon8 | i never seem to be able to find someone he does origami and is on the net |
| 06:21.45 | mrgenixus | ssm: how do I put the key on the server and the client |
| 06:22.11 | ssm | The contents of the local file ~/.ssh/<keyfile>.pub must be put in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote site |
| 06:22.29 | jun3rd | ke6isf, I checked out my /var/log and I get a 554 relay access denied |
| 06:22.39 | ssm | Remote, the ~/.ssh directory, and the authorized_keys file must not be writable for other than the user. |
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| 06:22.58 | mrgenixus | ssm: something like cat ~/.ssh/keyfile.pub | ssh server cat >> ~/.ssh/authorised_keys |
| 06:23.01 | trend | jm_: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i1516/tspecs/3ware-escalade-7006-2.php |
| 06:23.23 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 06:23.40 | trend | jm_: so my card is 'true hardware based raid'.. so I wouldn't of needed to create a module |
| 06:23.44 | ssm | everything after "ssh" must be in quotes |
| 06:23.53 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Check mynetworks and mydestination. It should work with default settings, but you *might* have to explicitely name your machines. |
| 06:23.55 | ssm | ...or it'll be intercepted by the local shell |
| 06:23.55 | mrgenixus | ssm: something like cat ~/.ssh/keyfile.pub | ssh server "cat >> ~/.ssh/authorised_keys" |
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| 06:24.22 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Are you also getting loopback errors? |
| 06:24.22 | ssm | mrgenixus: Well, for that to work, it must already have been done.... |
| 06:24.34 | jm_ | trend: ahh 3ware, good stuff |
| 06:24.43 | dimir | it's cat ~/.ssh/keyfile.pub | ssh server "cat - >> ~/.ssh/authorised_keys" |
| 06:24.48 | jun3rd | ke6isf, check mynetworks & mydestination? is that in a postfix.conf file? |
| 06:24.58 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Look for /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 06:24.58 | ssm | mrgenixus: run ssh-agent to add the keyfile, then run ssh-copy-id host.name.example.com |
| 06:25.00 | dimir | do not forget to point cat to stdout 'cat -' |
| 06:25.09 | mrgenixus | ssm: i've done something like that before, and it stillprompts for a password |
| 06:25.21 | mrgenixus | ssm: ssh-agent? |
| 06:25.26 | trend | jm_: :) glad I that extra 100or sowent to get a quality card... So, this thing should just show up as /dev/hd* ? |
| 06:25.28 | ke6isf | Reminds me, I gotta tweak a config file over here on my network. Damned FreeBSD... |
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| 06:25.45 | dimir | mrgenixus: the .ssh dir permissions must be correct |
| 06:26.05 | ssm | mrgenixus: ssh-agent is normally run by your window manager, ssh-add is used to add keys to the agent, it'll keep them so you don't have to use a passphrase |
| 06:26.06 | dimir | mrgenixus: and files must not be world readable |
| 06:26.49 | mrgenixus | dimir: what are the correct permissions? |
| 06:27.03 | jm_ | trend: they show up as SCSI devices AFAIK |
| 06:27.06 | *** part/#debian jbroome (n=jbroome@63-168-10-93.celito.net) |
| 06:27.08 | osama | anyone knows how to use clusterssh? i'm trying to enter a command into 20 terminals at the same time |
| 06:27.20 | jun3rd | ke6isf, myhostname = production.madzandjun.com, but I want to be able to receive email as admin@madzandjun.com |
| 06:27.27 | ssm | mrgenixus: if your keys are rejected, it'll say so when you run ssh -v host.example.com. If that is the case, either the public key is not in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote site, keys are disabled on the remote site in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, or the directory or the file has bad permissions |
| 06:27.48 | jun3rd | ke6isf, can I change it to just madzandjun.com? |
| 06:27.50 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Did you set mydomain in there as well? That will be $myhostname less 'production.' |
| 06:27.56 | mrgenixus | what are the correct permissions |
| 06:28.03 | ssm | mrgenixus: ....or there has been a visit from the Fuckup Fairy, and something else is horribly wrong. :D |
| 06:28.05 | dimir | mrgenixus: just make sure they are owned by the user, in whos homedir the files are and that they are not world readable |
| 06:28.22 | ssm | mrgenixus: chmod 0700 ~/.ssh, chmod 0600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 06:28.27 | jun3rd | ke6isf, mydomain is not set |
| 06:28.28 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Also, you shouldn't need to set that unless you have more than one domain, as postfix relies on gethostbyname() fr that setting. |
| 06:28.35 | ke6isf | jun3rd: OK, leave mydomain alone. |
| 06:29.05 | ssm | mrgenixus: basically, none of the directories between authorized_keys and up to / must be group writable |
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| 06:29.40 | ravn | Anyone can tell me how to fix "main.cc:36 undefined reference to 'create_window1' in anjuta, when my line 36 is //! Grr! |
| 06:29.54 | dimir | and moreover, world writable :-) |
| 06:30.06 | ssm | dimir: that, too |
| 06:30.11 | jun3rd | ke6isf, is there a problem with mydestination being commented out? |
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| 06:30.53 | sigma957 | ravn: check the line before and after |
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| 06:31.08 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Yeah, that could be your problem. Set that as $mydomain. |
| 06:31.14 | ke6isf | jun3rd: No, wait. |
| 06:31.27 | trend | jm_: hmm all I have is a /dev/sda no /dev/sda* am I doing something wrong? |
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| 06:31.46 | sep | trend, cat /proc/partitions |
| 06:31.54 | magyar | is there a way to find out remote machines mac address? |
| 06:31.55 | ke6isf | jun3rd: What distro are you running, btw? |
| 06:32.04 | ravn | sigma957: I have no object create_window1 anywhere what so ever :( |
| 06:32.06 | jun3rd | debian 3.1 sarge |
| 06:32.07 | osama | i want to enter a command into 20 terminals at the same time, how should i do this |
| 06:32.08 | ke6isf | magyar: nmap |
| 06:32.09 | jm_ | trend: did you load 3ware drivers? |
| 06:32.20 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Just checking. =^^= |
| 06:32.23 | mrgenixus | ssm: it still doesn't work |
| 06:32.35 | mrgenixus | it still prompts |
| 06:32.38 | trend | they are in lsmod |
| 06:32.44 | magyar | ke6isf: thx |
| 06:32.47 | jun3rd | ke6isf, so, I should delete the comment? that might help? |
| 06:32.54 | ke6isf | jun3rd: use 'mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain'. Do 'postfix check', reload if it doesn't barf. |
| 06:32.56 | ice | -^^- |
| 06:33.02 | mrgenixus | dimir: I did all those things |
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| 06:33.12 | trend | jm_: sorry..didn't address you, they appear in lsmod |
| 06:33.20 | dimir | mrgenixus: check the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys fiel if it really countains that key |
| 06:33.27 | dimir | s/fiel/file/ |
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| 06:34.22 | trend | grr..pastebin is sooooo slow right now |
| 06:34.24 | hcy | anybody know about this please? |
| 06:34.31 | jm_ | trend: then you should see /proc/scsi/3w* |
| 06:34.50 | dimir | mrgenixus: then you can check if sshd server is configured to accept key based authentication and, run ssh with '-v' switch or, if you want more debud info, '-vv' |
| 06:35.08 | bobibleyboo | Is anybody having problems with tasks/calender in evolution? |
| 06:35.18 | dimir | mrgenixus: to see if it's trying the key at all |
| 06:35.33 | ke6isf | Ah, finally, got that damnable FBSD box working correctly. |
| 06:35.38 | mrgenixus | ssm: does that tell you what you need to know? |
| 06:35.51 | osama | i want to enter a command into 20 terminals at the same time, how should i do this plz help!!! |
| 06:35.59 | trend | jm_: No, I see /proc/scsi/scsi and /proc/scsi/device_info |
| 06:36.10 | hcy | when i rebooted my computer, funny things happened. the key repeat thing isn't working. I can temporarily fix that with xset, thanks to jm_, although next time I log in, again no repeat. Other than that, though, I have a problem where selected windows don't become on-top unless they're selected with their title bar. And lots of the options in the "Desktop" menu don't work. Some of them complain about metacity not being installed or gconf not b |
| 06:36.11 | hcy | eing configured correctly. According to ps aux, metacity is running. What should I do? |
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| 06:36.21 | jun3rd | ke6isf, is that ok that I don't have $mydomain set? |
| 06:36.34 | jun3rd | ke6isf, postfix restarted |
| 06:36.45 | trend | when I lsmod, I see 3w_xxxx 30433 0 |
| 06:36.47 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Yeah, it is. $mydomain will set to $myhostname minus the first element. |
| 06:36.57 | jm_ | trend: are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:37.02 | trend | jm_: when I lsmod, I see 3w_xxxx 30433 0 |
| 06:37.04 | ke6isf | jun3rd: So in my case, $myhostname would be hibachi.chez-vrolet.net, but $mydomain would be chez-vrolet.net |
| 06:37.05 | trend | jm_: yes |
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| 06:37.41 | jm_ | trend: it's under /sys for 2.6 |
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| 06:38.48 | trend | jm_: yes I see /sys/module/3w_xxxx/ |
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| 06:38.58 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Make sure that 'inet_interfaces = all' if you expect to receive mail. Also, a useful thing to do is to do 'smtpd_helo_required = yes'. |
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| 06:40.05 | jm_ | trend: I think you should now install their CLI tools and read the guide for it |
| 06:40.36 | trend | jm_: so I cannot just use it now? I have to install additional software, why? |
| 06:40.51 | osama | is there any bash scripting code that will go through all the existing terminals? |
| 06:41.05 | osama | *all the open terminals |
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| 06:41.26 | ke6isf | osama: What do you want to do? |
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| 06:41.44 | kon_ | good morning |
| 06:41.48 | osama | i need to run a command in 20 terminals at the same time |
| 06:41.51 | magyar | ke6isf: how do i use nmap to find out the MAC address? |
| 06:41.56 | jm_ | trend: I think there are two ways to configure it, via BIOS or via CLI, choose whichever way you want |
| 06:42.02 | ke6isf | magyar: man nmap. |
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| 06:42.08 | Mage\work | hello |
| 06:42.16 | jm_ | magyar: uhm you query arp for that |
| 06:42.17 | kon_ | hi |
| 06:42.20 | Mage\work | is possible to 'nice' a process already launched ? |
| 06:42.22 | osama | ke6isf: i need to run a command in 20 terminals at the same time |
| 06:42.26 | trend | jm_: I already created the Array in the bios (and yes I believe I read something like this) |
| 06:42.30 | ke6isf | osama: Hmm... |
| 06:42.33 | magyar | ke6isf: i searched the man page for MAC and nothing comes up |
| 06:42.35 | jm_ | Mage\work: man renice |
| 06:42.46 | ke6isf | magyar: What jm_ said. I stand corrected. |
| 06:42.55 | Mage\work | thanks |
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| 06:43.04 | osama | ke6isf: i was thinking of doing this using bash scripting, not sure if it's possible though |
| 06:43.20 | ke6isf | osama: Maybe not, but what kind of command are you trying to run? |
| 06:43.24 | jun3rd | ke6isf, inet_interfaces = all (yes) , but I don't have 'smtpd_helo_required = yes' |
| 06:43.40 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Put it in, restart. |
| 06:43.47 | magyar | jm_: i did arp -a "address" but nothing happens |
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| 06:43.56 | jun3rd | ke6isf, ok ... |
| 06:43.57 | osama | ke6isf: need to start up 20 uml instances to test the load on a server |
| 06:44.06 | jm_ | magyar: arp -a|grep address ... |
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| 06:44.40 | ke6isf | osama: Do it all in one terminal with a for loop. |
| 06:44.48 | sep | trend, the cli tool will easily allow you to hotswap drives, do diagnostic + the things you do in bios, it's nicer to have it there now, then have to install it when you need it, they also have a webpage/daemon that can send email alerts etc etc |
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| 06:44.55 | ke6isf | osama: Just & off the jobs and start the next one. |
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| 06:45.28 | effbiae | hi -- having trouble understanding apt with stable/testing/unstable... |
| 06:45.41 | ke6isf | effbiae: What do you need help with? |
| 06:46.11 | magyar | jm_only shows the gateway address |
| 06:46.21 | osama | ke6isf: cant do that caus i need to open 20 terminals and ssh into different comps. |
| 06:46.29 | effbiae | i've got lines in my sources.list with varying s/t/u lines, and i don't understand how apt chooses which version of a package ets installed? |
| 06:46.33 | ke6isf | osama: Erm... hmm. |
| 06:46.46 | jm_ | magyar: then it's not in your arp cache yet, tried pinging it? |
| 06:47.03 | jm_ | trend: tried dmesg|grep 3w ? |
| 06:47.06 | effbiae | ets -> gets |
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| 06:47.15 | ke6isf | effbiae: Well, which distro are you running? |
| 06:47.18 | magyar | jm_ thanks |
| 06:47.42 | effbiae | debian sarge (3.1?) |
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| 06:48.29 | trend | jm_: 3w-xxxx: scsi0: Found a 3ware Storage Controller at 0xd000, IRQ: 11. |
| 06:48.42 | hcy | Someone please help. when i rebooted my computer (after it had been on for a very, very long time), funny things happened. the key repeat thing isn't working. I can temporarily fix that with xset, thanks to jm_, although next time I log in, again no repeat. Other than that, though, I have a problem where selected windows don't become on-top unless they're selected with their title bar. And lots of the options in the "Desktop" menu don't work. |
| 06:48.42 | hcy | Some of them complain about metacity not being installed or gconf not being configured correctly. According to ps aux, metacity is running. What should I do? (debian sid / gnome) |
| 06:48.45 | jun3rd | ke6isf, I put in those lines, restarted postfix, sent email from my box to yahoo account, reply from yahoo bounced with relay access denied 554 |
| 06:48.50 | jm_ | trend: how about dmesg|grep sd (don't paste all of it, just check if it reports any disk drives) |
| 06:48.57 | ke6isf | jun3rd: *headdesk* dammit. |
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| 06:49.11 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Lemme think. |
| 06:49.33 | trend | jm_: yes, I see a bunch... |
| 06:49.37 | ke6isf | effbiae: What's in /etc/debian_version? Should be '3.1'. |
| 06:49.42 | ttick | Anyone know a reliable open ntp server? |
| 06:49.50 | ke6isf | ttick: pool.ntp.org |
| 06:50.03 | ttick | ke6isf: thanks |
| 06:50.45 | effbiae | ke6: testing/unstable!!! how did it get to that? |
| 06:50.47 | magyar | jm_: i switched an ip address from one machine to another about two hours ago, on the local subnet it pings but on the wan it doesnt |
| 06:51.05 | ke6isf | effbiae: Did you do a dist-upgrade? |
| 06:51.08 | jun3rd | ke6, sorry ... |
| 06:51.15 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Not your fault. |
| 06:51.29 | ke6isf | jun3rd: ctcp me your main.cf? Maybe I can figure out what's wrong by looking. |
| 06:51.40 | ke6isf | jun3rd: No, dcc I mean. |
| 06:51.47 | ke6isf | ctcp... oy. |
| 06:51.48 | trend | jm_: http://www.mirc.net/paste/?454 |
| 06:52.00 | effbiae | ke6: not knowingly -- i added some testing/unstable lines to sources.list to get some newer version of software... but don't remember explicitly setting this... |
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| 06:52.34 | ke6isf | effbiae: Thing is, mixing versions is not a good idea. |
| 06:53.08 | effbiae | ke6: i don't doubt it. |
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| 06:54.15 | osama | anyone knows how to use clusterssh? what do i need to put in the hostname field? |
| 06:54.21 | ke6isf | effbiae: I'm not sure (somebody correct me if necessary?), but I think that apt-get kind of gravitates toward the most recent version in the cache. |
| 06:54.24 | effbiae | ke6: my aim is to install a 2.6.12 kernel... because someone at linux-usb suggested i do this becuase i can't get usb working on my (old) laptop. i don't see why this would help, but it's my only lead so far... |
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| 06:55.05 | metaperl | I'm trying to get IP masquerading to work. Should the router machine (with wireless and wired interfaces) have different static IPs for each interface? right now one is assigned it's IP # by DHCP to the wireless network. The other I set manually |
| 06:55.09 | magyar | can someone help me with a arp problem? |
| 06:55.10 | pusling | anyone seen alioth lately ? |
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| 06:56.40 | magyar | i did an "arp -s" now i lost access to the host. HELP !!!!! |
| 06:56.45 | jm_ | trend: so what's wrong with using sda? do you have any other SCSI disks present? |
| 06:56.58 | trend | jm_: no other scsi |
| 06:57.41 | trend | hmm |
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| 06:58.18 | magyar | am screwed |
| 06:58.19 | jm_ | trend: so use sda |
| 06:58.49 | magyar | is it ever going to come back or will i have to go downtown in the morning |
| 06:58.55 | magyar | and reinstall? |
| 06:59.21 | ke6isf | effbiae: You might want to hand build then. FWIW, I have no problems with OHCI USB under a 2.6.8 kernel. |
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| 07:01.00 | tarzeau | jm_: good morning |
| 07:01.20 | magyar | is therea way to reestablish a connection after lossing the arp table on a system. Can someone help a brother? |
| 07:01.39 | jm_ | tarzeau: good morning |
| 07:01.40 | tarzeau | jm_: i got a 2.4.31 d-i now. the problem is alioth d-i doc is still down, and the thing downloads/installs a 2.4.27 (with the nic driver that doesn't work on my nic) |
| 07:02.00 | tarzeau | jm_: i can manually open a 2nd shell and download my 2.4.31 kernel using wget into the /target |
| 07:02.00 | cat | !nic |
| 07:02.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 07:02.10 | jm_ | tarzeau: does that help? |
| 07:02.11 | tarzeau | !cat |
| 07:02.12 | dpkg | from memory, cat is a *nix command, see also more, less, or even better : the heavenly sweet 'dog'. |
| 07:02.22 | tarzeau | jm_: yes it helps, but i can't get that done automatically |
| 07:02.23 | cat | #)$id;O |
| 07:02.33 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Doesn't seem to be going through. Email it to dennisthetiger@gmail.com ? |
| 07:02.49 | jun3rd | ke6, ok |
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| 07:04.58 | trend | jm_: ahhh, ok I se my problem.. I just created the partition, now need to format it :) |
| 07:05.16 | jm_ | trend: yes, like I said, partition, create filesystem (mkfs), mount |
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| 07:05.48 | tarzeau | jm_: any idea where i can tell d-i to not install that braindead 2.4.27 kernel, but install mine? must it be udeb or is deb fine? |
| 07:05.50 | trend | jm_: so I did need that 3w****** module just to view the hd? |
| 07:05.58 | mrnomad | ummmm, what's happened to pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-1-686 in side??? |
| 07:06.06 | tarzeau | jm_: if i could do excactly that. all (almost) my problems are solved |
| 07:06.07 | mrnomad | sid |
| 07:07.08 | jm_ | trend: yes, the thing I said earlier about real raid cards not needing drivers is wrong - what I wanted to say is that with some RAID devices a lot of the real work is done in software, even though it may appear as a hardware device |
| 07:07.22 | ke6isf | jun3rd: There is a mydestination line at the bottom of the file. Comment it. |
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| 07:07.36 | osama | what was the command to remove something apt-remove?? |
| 07:07.38 | jun3rd | ke6, ok |
| 07:07.50 | cat | osama: apt-get remove package? |
| 07:07.52 | Reptile4 | apt-get remove |
| 07:07.53 | Reptile4 | :D |
| 07:08.05 | osama | oh right thx |
| 07:08.07 | ke6isf | jun3rd: mynetworks should reflect your own internal network. Having 127.0.0.0/8 IIRC will tell it to ONLY accept mail from localhost. |
| 07:08.40 | ke6isf | jun3rd: As such, your line should reflect '127.0.0.1, your.ip.addr.ess'. |
| 07:08.46 | ke6isf | Replace the text accordingly. |
| 07:08.47 | trend | jm_: oh ok.. I just mkfs /dev/sda1.. that was completeed.. and I tried to mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /test/ and I get this error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,missing codepage or other error |
| 07:08.54 | mrnomad | what's happened to the 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 07:09.09 | cat | mrnomad: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 07:09.15 | trend | jm_: hmm.. I guess I need to readup on mkfs |
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| 07:09.25 | ke6isf | jun3rd: It's weird, but its' how I managed to get mine to work. |
| 07:09.36 | cat | kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup |
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| 07:09.51 | mrnomad | why a) did it try to de-install last night? and b) pcmcia-modules don't exist??? |
| 07:09.59 | jun3rd | ke6, i guess I need the mydestination at the bottom for a program called ispconfig |
| 07:10.15 | ke6isf | jun3rd: That's weird. What's ispconfig? |
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| 07:10.18 | trend | jm_: great! just got it mounted :) |
| 07:10.19 | cat | try loading them again mrnomad |
| 07:10.48 | mrnomad | i have done, just done apt-get update, apt-get install pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-1-686 |
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| 07:10.57 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Semi important, what's in that file? |
| 07:11.00 | trend | jm_: 2 last questions... Does it really matter (if I am doing raid mirrioring) if I have 2 idential hds? and 2nd question is.. how can I stress test this array now? |
| 07:11.07 | mrnomad | it says package is 'not-available' |
| 07:11.48 | mrnomad | oh, last night apt-get removed pcmcia-modules without tellimg me, when I was installing inkscape |
| 07:11.50 | cat | pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 07:11.55 | cat | apt-cache search pcmcia-modules |
| 07:12.00 | jm_ | trend: next time tell mkfs which file system to use |
| 07:12.03 | cat | should get alot of things |
| 07:12.19 | jm_ | trend: I don't know, 3ware docs should explain both |
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| 07:12.23 | trend | jm_: (yep, just redid that and have it working :) ) |
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| 07:12.45 | jm_ | tarzeau: hmm wasn't there a page explaining this for d-i? |
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| 07:13.05 | jm_ | ahh yes it's on alioth :P |
| 07:13.06 | tarzeau | jm_: i couldn't find it. if you mean the alioth one i can't reach that |
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| 07:13.24 | hcy | what's this xorg thing that's coming in on my apt-get upgrade? is xorg replacing xfree86 ? |
| 07:13.38 | jun3rd | ke6, ispconfig is a program for managing websites, it provides a GUI basically |
| 07:14.05 | trend | jm_: thanks for the help! |
| 07:14.11 | mrnomad | groan..it was working yesterday now I have to install a new kernel....hate that. |
| 07:14.15 | alex_ez | hi guys. i need set to cron these insructions:cd /mydir/ |
| 07:14.20 | trend | jm_: I just thought everything would be much harder.. |
| 07:14.29 | ke6isf | jun3rd: kinda weird that it requires it at the bottom of the file. At any rate, what's in the file that this line points to? |
| 07:14.35 | alex_ez | cd /mydir/ |
| 07:14.35 | alex_ez | ./restart.sh |
| 07:14.35 | alex_ez | cd /etc/cron.d |
| 07:14.42 | alex_ez | how i can do this? |
| 07:15.27 | jm_ | trend: no worries |
| 07:15.39 | jm_ | trend: how much was the card anyway? |
| 07:15.39 | ke6isf | alex_ez: Either put them in a shell script or chain them on one line using semicolons between the commands. |
| 07:15.40 | dimir | alex_ez: write a shell script that does it and add it to crontab |
| 07:15.41 | magyar | how long does it take for the world to recognize an ipchange from one system to another? |
| 07:15.51 | tarzeau | magyar: nobody will notice |
| 07:16.17 | tarzeau | magyar: if you mean dns, it can be configured |
| 07:16.18 | trend | jm_: it was $116 shipped or something like that off ebay |
| 07:16.32 | ke6isf | magyar: Standard answer is "72 hours". YMMV. |
| 07:16.54 | trend | jm_: I guess I could of spent a little more and got a brand new one.. but this one still has part of the warrenty, and I really didnt 'know better... what raid cards do you recommend? |
| 07:17.02 | magyar | ke6isf: is there a way to speed it up? |
| 07:17.07 | alex_ez | ke6isf: now my crontab have that string: 12 15 * * * root cd /mydir/; ./restart.sh; cd /etc/cron.d |
| 07:17.13 | tarzeau | !YMMV |
| 07:17.13 | dpkg | methinks ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 07:17.24 | alex_ez | magyar: but it does not working ;( |
| 07:17.42 | ke6isf | magyar: Nothing worth trying. |
| 07:18.04 | ke6isf | alex_ez: Why do you have 'root' in the command line, and why are you cd'ing to /etc/cron.d at the end? |
| 07:18.20 | magyar | ke6isf: can i ask the router maintainer to flush the arp tables? |
| 07:18.21 | jun3rd | ke6, that file is emty and ispconfig writes to it as websites are created for my box |
| 07:18.33 | ke6isf | magyar: Sure, go ahead. |
| 07:18.53 | magyar | ke6isf: would that fix it? |
| 07:19.13 | ke6isf | magyar: Probably, probably not. I'm not your router maintainer, so I can't give a reliable answer. |
| 07:19.17 | jm_ | trend: 3ware have good Linux support and several people I know recommend them (I don't use it myself, but if I was to buy one, I'd buy that too) |
| 07:19.22 | magyar | ke6isf: 72 its a long time, i got 14 websites |
| 07:19.38 | trend | jm_: nice :).. anyways, thanks again |
| 07:20.11 | ke6isf | magyar: Well, also note "YMMV". It could take shorter, or - God forbid - longer. |
| 07:20.30 | ke6isf | magyar: But, as tarzeau said, it should be unnoticeable. |
| 07:21.00 | ke6isf | jun3rd: I wonder if you can put data in it. I take it that ispconfig is soemthing to allow you to maintain virtual machines? |
| 07:21.06 | ke6isf | !ispconfig |
| 07:21.12 | ke6isf | hmm, dpkg don't know. |
| 07:21.46 | jun3rd | ke6, yep |
| 07:21.55 | magyar | ke6isf: in the local network it works fine right off the bat, but the world is not responding |
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| 07:22.20 | magyar | ke6isf: local as "local subnet" not LAN |
| 07:22.24 | TheGnome | hello |
| 07:22.27 | ke6isf | jun3rd: OK, then you should take that mydestinations line and stick it in the appropriate file. Check the docs on syntax - I'm not familiar on how to structure that. |
| 07:22.44 | ke6isf | magyar: Then you need to wait. Nothing more you can do. |
| 07:22.48 | TheGnome | can you install ati drivers to get 3d accel and play games like ET and AA on sarge? |
| 07:22.54 | ke6isf | magyar: Welcome to DNS. It's all about patience. |
| 07:23.20 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Accordingly, comment out the line I gave you once you've done that. |
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| 07:23.33 | jm_ | TheGnome: there's a howto, google for debian ati flavio howto |
| 07:23.34 | alex_ez | ke6isf: root, because it`s a root priveleged program... cd /etc/cron.d - it`s a wrong... nevermind... just delete... |
| 07:23.45 | chocoIate | hi |
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| 07:24.03 | ke6isf | alex_ez: IIRC, by doing that, it's going to look for a program called 'root'. |
| 07:24.12 | ke6isf | Hello chocoIate |
| 07:24.29 | chocoIate | i have 2 seperate installations of debian and i'd like to delete the one i installed last, would that effect the grub loader in anyway ? |
| 07:24.46 | chocoIate | i see both installations have a grub loader file |
| 07:25.07 | alex_ez | ke6isf: hmm ?... strange... but string */1 * * * * root perl /test.pl - working fine!.. |
| 07:25.33 | chocoIate | though i'm not sure but i think its using the last installation of debians grub loader to provide me with the OS selections at system startup |
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| 07:25.43 | dimir | alex_ez: how did you test that |
| 07:25.44 | ke6isf | alex_ez: Is this the root crnntab by any chance? |
| 07:25.54 | dimir | alex_ez: how did you test that "12 15 * * * root cd /mydir/; ./restart.sh" in a crontab? |
| 07:25.57 | ke6isf | alex_ez: Never mind, my arg still stands. |
| 07:26.04 | magyar | ke6isf: why DNS , I didnt change the dns i just changed the ip address from one card to another |
| 07:26.23 | ke6isf | magyar: Ah, OK, I misunderstood. |
| 07:26.27 | liable | chocoIate: yes, run grub, and point it at your old install partition |
| 07:26.36 | dimir | alex_ez: this entry will run at 15:12 once a day |
| 07:26.55 | chocoIate | hi liable :) |
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| 07:27.05 | ke6isf | magyar: In this case, yes, it should be unnoticeable, as DNS doesn't rely on MAC addresses. |
| 07:27.05 | chocoIate | how you mean point it to my old installation :o |
| 07:27.06 | liable | hi :) |
| 07:27.19 | magyar | ke6isf: i tought routers make their arp requests every 15 minutes |
| 07:27.39 | liable | chocoIate: man grub, or man grub-install, look at the --root-dir option |
| 07:27.42 | chocoIate | i know theres a boot loader GUI application by default under the applications menu in debian sarge |
| 07:27.45 | torc | what is the right way to define several addresses to the same interface? i need to divide different services to individual ip's, but assign them to one box and actually run them there. this is done for easy migration of them in future. should i define one main address on eth0 with the normal mask, and all other individual addresses out eth0:whatever with /32? |
| 07:27.49 | ke6isf | Mage\work: Wouldn't know. |
| 07:28.01 | chocoIate | ahh ok, thanks |
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| 07:28.14 | chocoIate | liable, do i do this in the lastest debian installation or the older one ? |
| 07:28.14 | ke6isf | Mage\work: Wrong nick, sorry. |
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| 07:28.17 | ke6isf | magyar: Woudln't know. |
| 07:28.26 | liable | chocoIate: doesnt matter. |
| 07:28.27 | ke6isf | damned tab complete. |
| 07:28.31 | chocoIate | i mean do i run this in the debian installation the one i want to keep ? |
| 07:28.38 | chocoIate | or the one i want to delete |
| 07:28.40 | chocoIate | :P |
| 07:28.47 | magyar | ke6isf: that makes two of us, buhh |
| 07:29.00 | liable | doesnt matter, just run it, and point it at the right root dir |
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| 07:29.09 | chocoIate | ok, thanks :) |
| 07:29.22 | dimir | alex_ez: try it this way: "*/5 * * * * root cd /mydir/; ./restart.sh" |
| 07:29.40 | dimir | alex_ez: it should run every 5 minutes |
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| 07:31.20 | knix | Is X severely broken in sid? |
| 07:31.25 | dimir | no |
| 07:31.41 | dimir | works fine here |
| 07:31.51 | chocoIate | ok thanks |
| 07:31.51 | chocoIate | brb |
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| 07:33.53 | alex_ez | .ke6isf: it`s a string from file from /etc/cron.d/ |
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| 07:34.19 | alex_ez | dimir: thx, just try... |
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| 07:35.17 | xeonix | hi |
| 07:35.22 | dimir | j0! |
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| 07:35.28 | ke6isf | heloo xeonix |
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| 07:35.38 | ke6isf | hello even |
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| 07:36.54 | xeonix | i got a problem with my sound card alsa doesn't find one on my sytem i installed the netinstall stable version and im very fresh useing it |
| 07:37.14 | xeonix | i got a via onboard sound card |
| 07:37.49 | ttick | xeonix: laptop? |
| 07:37.51 | liable | xeonix: um, did you install with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 07:38.20 | xeonix | no 2.4 |
| 07:39.09 | xeonix | no laptop |
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| 07:39.29 | unco | is there a read-only flag that can be set on a partition? |
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| 07:39.47 | metaperl | I have a question about this article: http://linuxgazette.net/issue43/silva.ip_masq.html ... what is the logic behind this line: /sbin/route add default gw 0.0.0.0 eth0 |
| 07:40.01 | jun3rd | ke6isf, thanks for your help earlier |
| 07:40.05 | liable | xeonix: install a 2.6 kernel, and alsa-base, reboot into it, and come back if it doesnt work. |
| 07:40.22 | xeonix | ok thankx |
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| 07:40.58 | fatal_ | metaperl: "0.0.0.0 the IP of the gateway to the internet. " |
| 07:41.06 | fatal_ | metaperl: read the NOTES section. |
| 07:41.38 | ` | heh |
| 07:41.48 | metaperl | fatal_: my gateway box has 2 eth... eth is wireless connected to internet via DHCP and eth0 is physical ethernet I want to supply to another machine... |
| 07:41.54 | ohad | i am trying to setup postfix admin - i get the followin error during my install - how do i resolve it ? |
| 07:41.59 | metaperl | eth2 is wireless |
| 07:42.01 | ohad | There is no database support in your PHP setup |
| 07:42.02 | fatal_ | metaperl: "route add default gw <ip> <interface>" adds the default route.. (the route to use when no other route matches) |
| 07:42.09 | ke6isf | jun3rd: No problem. |
| 07:42.19 | ke6isf | jun3rd: Hope you can get it working. I've done all I can. |
| 07:42.28 | ohad | i am trying to setup postfix admin - i get the following error during my install - how do i resolve it ? i installed php4-mysql |
| 07:42.29 | liable | metaperl: its all in man route, even with examples! :) |
| 07:42.31 | metaperl | on the parasite box, should the gateway point to my wireless eth2 or wired eth0? |
| 07:43.10 | dpower | probably 2 |
| 07:43.11 | fatal_ | metaperl: so, add a route for your wired connection and then use the default route to send "everything else" to your wireless connection (which should pass it on to your gateway, which is connected to the internet). |
| 07:43.14 | dpower | check which is which |
| 07:43.55 | fatal_ | metaperl: ie. replace "default" with your lans netmask in the route command for the wired connection. |
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| 07:44.15 | magyar | i have a problem with network access. I have a few servers sitting in 216.126.45.128 network. I changed an ip address from one system to another. in the 216.126.45.128/25 subnet all machines see the changes, but the internet does not. Can someone help a brother? |
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| 07:45.42 | fatal_ | magyar: to abstract for me.... how do you know "the internet" doesn't "see" the new ip? |
| 07:46.30 | magyar | fatal_: am sitting at home and i cant reach it |
| 07:46.50 | mwilson | Still too abstract. |
| 07:46.54 | dpower | but. |
| 07:47.11 | magyar | fatal_: i can reach all other systems in that subnet but that |
| 07:47.13 | fatal_ | try traceroute to see if routing works.... if it does, then there's probably a firewall dropping the traffic. |
| 07:47.31 | mwilson | Define "reach". |
| 07:48.08 | fatal_ | magyar: also try tcpdump on the unreachable system... to spot if it's the query or the response traffic that's getting dropped... |
| 07:48.25 | magyar | fatal_: traceroute works for all other hosts but that one, no firewalls |
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| 07:49.09 | mwilson | Don't you love how he's very careful to give as little information as possible? |
| 07:49.21 | sep | magyar, what ip subnet did you change into ? |
| 07:49.24 | magyar | fatal_: i get stuck at the last router to that subnet, as if it still thinks that the mack for that address is not updated |
| 07:49.37 | metaperl | how can I show the routes that have been setup for a particular interface? |
| 07:49.44 | ttick | grr, crapola. upgraded "dovecot" and it broke my setup. :/ hate when that happens. |
| 07:49.48 | fatal_ | mwilson: yeah, gives me time to practice the mind-reading skills.. ;) |
| 07:50.07 | sep | magyar, well check if it is updated then ?? arp -a |
| 07:50.20 | magyar | sep: same ip subnet, all i did is removed a virt interface from one machine "windows 2000 server" and brought it up on "sarge" |
| 07:50.29 | fatal_ | magyar: which brand is the router?... some commercial routers doesn't flush the arp cache unless it's manually triggered... for "security" reasons. |
| 07:50.37 | liable | metaperl: route |
| 07:50.46 | liable | funnily.. |
| 07:51.01 | magyar | fatal_: i am guessing cisco, but how can i be sure |
| 07:51.09 | metaperl | liable: thanks |
| 07:51.18 | magyar | sep: how can i check? |
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| 07:51.37 | sep | magyar, type arp -a on the router |
| 07:51.51 | sep | magyar, proided it runs a sane OS that is |
| 07:52.12 | sep | magyar, since you dont say what router you have we can only do guesswork |
| 07:52.23 | magyar | sep: the router is a cisco box and i have no access to it |
| 07:52.52 | sep | magyar, well from outside ping your ip, on the inside sniff traffic with tcpdump, see what mac the router send the packets too |
| 07:53.20 | sep | magyar, perhaps the router have turned of arp learning. for security measuers. |
| 07:53.22 | fatal_ | tcpdump is the shit... :) |
| 07:53.22 | sadfgg | How can do this?: if $I_exist then echo "I exist"; |
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| 07:53.43 | fatal_ | makes troubleshooting networking problems too easy.. :] |
| 07:53.51 | sep | fatal_, hehe yes.. |
| 07:53.54 | magyar | sep: so what do i do now? |
| 07:54.02 | sep | magyar, i just said what you do |
| 07:54.04 | sep | magyar, well from outside ping your ip, on the inside sniff traffic with tcpdump, see what mac the router send the packets too |
| 07:54.20 | fatal_ | magyar: hire a someone to help you set up the network correctly.. ;) |
| 07:54.22 | sep | then you know if your router sends it to the correct computer |
| 07:54.39 | magyar | sep: i know wich mac it is going to |
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| 07:55.57 | dimir | sadfgg: if [ -n "$I_exist" ]; then echo I exist; fi |
| 07:55.58 | magyar | sep: thats the problem it still sends it to the old system. |
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| 07:56.07 | sep | magyar, then fix the problem |
| 07:56.24 | Loof | Is there any easy way to tell which gcc version an object (.o) file was compiled with? |
| 07:56.29 | magyar | sep: if there is no "arp learning" than how would one direct the router to the right mac address? |
| 07:56.47 | sep | magyar, login, enable learning for a short time. |
| 07:57.02 | fatal_ | magyar: you tell the router operator to flush the arp cache. |
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| 07:57.51 | sep | magyar, your sure that your windows that had that ip, dont still think it have it? |
| 07:57.59 | magyar | sep: fatal_: so basically in situations like this ,am at the mercy of the routers setting, I cant trick it any way |
| 07:58.01 | sep | magyar, so that it answers arp queries ? |
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| 07:58.44 | sep | magyar, you assume that the router is at fault. have you run tcpdump ? so you know that there is no arp queries ?? |
| 07:59.01 | pro | ok, im back, the sound card is a SoundBlaster Live Audigy LS (24bit), and i have tried the OSS driver and the ALSA driver and nothing |
| 07:59.03 | magyar | sep: it off for sure, and the windows box inside the subnet already looking to the new system and picking up the new pages from apache |
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| 07:59.36 | sep | magyar, that dosnt prove squat |
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| 07:59.48 | sadfgg | dimir, thank you =) |
| 07:59.49 | sep | magyar, tcpdump tells you exactly whats going on |
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| 07:59.57 | dimir | sadfgg: no problemo ;-) |
| 08:00.12 | magyar | sep: it has to be the router, because i can traceroute to all the systems in that subnet but the new one, it just dies at the last router |
| 08:00.18 | xeonix | ok guy's sound work's now ;) |
| 08:00.22 | sep | magyar, but no you cant trick it., then it woudnt be a very good security feature :) |
| 08:00.53 | magyar | sep: roger |
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| 08:01.49 | sep | magyar, the linux cant ping the router eiter ? |
| 08:02.35 | chocoIate | what is the package for the bootloader application installed by debian sarge by default |
| 08:02.35 | fatal_ | magyar: if there's something wrong with the network setup on the new system then the traceroute would stop at the router too.... |
| 08:02.45 | magyar | sep: i tought that routers would flush the arp table after a given time, that is kind of dumb to contact the router maintainer every time i switch an ip |
| 08:02.46 | fatal_ | magyar: so it doesn't prove that the router is at fault. |
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| 08:03.14 | magyar | sep: the linux pings everything |
| 08:03.21 | liable | chocoIate: grub. |
| 08:03.27 | sep | magyar, it's a feature you can turn it off or on |
| 08:03.27 | saloxin_ | magyar: i had a swithc yesterday with 4 hours arp timeout |
| 08:03.32 | chocoIate | no, the GUI application |
| 08:03.40 | sep | magyar, and you can adjust the time of the arp aging |
| 08:03.56 | fatal_ | magyar: that you can reach the system on the lan still doesn't mean the router is at fault... (you might have a fucked routing table). |
| 08:03.57 | liable | chocoIate: grub |
| 08:04.13 | chocoIate | i used to see it under the applications - system tools menu |
| 08:04.22 | sep | magyar, and you have a default route on linux ofcouse ? that's so obvious.. you ahve to have it |
| 08:04.24 | chocoIate | under the name boot loader |
| 08:04.39 | chocoIate | i dont have it now coz it was uninstalled accidentally yesterday :P |
| 08:04.45 | magyar | fatal_ i dont route, i got one network card in the system |
| 08:05.12 | fatal_ | magyar: so, you'll need to _route_ the traffic out on that network card... |
| 08:05.31 | magyar | sep: roger, the linux box server mail and other webpages at the moment to the internet |
| 08:05.49 | sep | magyar, you still need a default route check with route -n | grep ^0.0.0.0 |
| 08:05.59 | magyar | fatal_: i hear you, its routing out as we speak |
| 08:06.12 | sep | magyar, what ? you said it' coudnt reach the internet??? now you say it can ? |
| 08:06.21 | sep | magyar, are you a troll ? |
| 08:06.37 | dondelelcaro | subgv: I can't, because I won't be at the picnic, nor do I actually have them. |
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| 08:07.03 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: going back to riverside? |
| 08:07.34 | magyar | sep: it can reach the internet, the internet cant reach one of the virtual interfaces.......ferschtein? |
| 08:08.08 | chocoIate | phew, got it back |
| 08:08.16 | chocoIate | it was part of the gnome-system-tools package |
| 08:08.33 | fatal_ | magyar: what does that actually mean? |
| 08:08.37 | chocoIate | that was the missing package, no wonder i werent getting a package name for bootloader :) |
| 08:08.40 | chocoIate | thanks liable |
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| 08:09.20 | magyar | fatal_: which part is puzling you? |
| 08:09.29 | fatal_ | "reach" |
| 08:09.29 | sep | ifconfig -a && route -n post it on #flood |
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| 08:09.51 | sep | or on paster |
| 08:09.52 | magyar | fatal_: try pinging 216.126.78.132 |
| 08:10.10 | magyar | fatal_: also try 216.126.78.135 |
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| 08:10.31 | magyar | fatal_: now try 216.126.78.136 and tell me if it works |
| 08:10.45 | dpower | 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2001ms |
| 08:10.46 | dpower | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 216.837/496.128/983.688/345.974 ms |
| 08:11.10 | dpower | pingnope |
| 08:11.10 | sep | last one dont work |
| 08:11.13 | dpower | lol nope |
| 08:11.25 | magyar | sep: same system, why woudnt it? |
| 08:11.27 | fatal_ | I get reply from the first two, but not the last... so what? You've already told us that you have a problem, we know that.... now you actually need to go do some troubleshooting... |
| 08:11.37 | sep | magyar, paste what i told you to |
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| 08:11.46 | Crissi | hi |
| 08:11.52 | sep | !paster |
| 08:11.52 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 08:12.07 | Crissi | any idea whats happen with alioth.debian.org? |
| 08:12.12 | chocoIate | liable, on both installations of debian, the grub files have the root file system specified as that pariticular partition |
| 08:12.14 | Crissi | it seems to be down |
| 08:12.33 | sep | magyar, but it does sounds like your router do need a apr flush, and tcpdump would tell you for sure, so you actualy just need to make a phonecall... |
| 08:12.35 | chocoIate | am i safe to delete the newer installation knowing this ? |
| 08:12.38 | fatal_ | Crissi: I heard a rumor that the only nameserver for the host went down a couple of days ago.... |
| 08:12.46 | liable | chocoIate: yes, but you need to tell the mbr which lot of files to look at. |
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| 08:12.56 | chocoIate | how do i do that |
| 08:12.56 | Crissi | whats the ip address for it? |
| 08:12.57 | Alex_Palex | Hi |
| 08:13.05 | magyar | sep: what do i do with the paster, sorry not so sure |
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| 08:13.55 | liable | chocoIate: I told you. apt-get install grub-doc-it |
| 08:14.02 | sep | magyar, the webpage http://channels.debian.net/paste is self explaining |
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| 08:14.18 | chocoIate | ok |
| 08:14.20 | liable | chocoIate: then info grub |
| 08:14.27 | sep | magyar, but seriously call the router admin. |
| 08:14.38 | magyar | sep: what do i paste there? |
| 08:14.40 | sep | since you know the packets go to wrong mac, |
| 08:14.41 | liable | chocoIate: debian-reference is another good one. :) |
| 08:14.52 | sep | magyar, nevermind im afk |
| 08:14.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no, I'm going to be at a different party on Sunday |
| 08:15.14 | juicy | i dont understand plugins that some sites are asking for...when asked to manually install plug in what should be done? |
| 08:15.30 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah. oh ya. we forgot to ask for sticker today )= |
| 08:15.52 | dondelelcaro | stickers? we don't have any sticky stickers... |
| 08:16.01 | dondelelcaro | (although, it is something that I'd like to get soon) |
| 08:16.37 | dimir | juicy: get the plug-in and install it manually |
| 08:16.45 | deadcat | didnt one of you guys say you will have stickers for wed or thur? |
| 08:17.01 | magyar | thanks for the input guys, am out, all try to get a hold of the "router guy" |
| 08:17.10 | Crissi | whats the ip address for alioth it? |
| 08:17.15 | Crissi | whats the ip address for alioth? |
| 08:17.17 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: dunno, I didn't say that. |
| 08:17.23 | jm_ | what's going on? some event where deadcat will grab tux's ass again? |
| 08:17.28 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: it's still down. |
| 08:17.30 | deadcat | Crissi: i think its down |
| 08:17.41 | ttick | gah, upgraded gcc to 4.0 and no can't compile my program b/c of really weird errors. ugh. |
| 08:17.45 | juicy | but which one? they list so many....i know i shouldnt pick anything with windows right? |
| 08:17.51 | dondelelcaro | !nslookup alioth.debian.org |
| 08:18.20 | deadcat | ttick: welcome to sid |
| 08:18.28 | ttick | deadcat: etch, actually. |
| 08:18.33 | deadcat | ttick: wow |
| 08:18.51 | dimir | juicy: they probably demand java, media player or flash plug-in |
| 08:18.57 | dondelelcaro | ttick: this is why the CC and CPP variables exist in sane makefiles. |
| 08:19.09 | dondelelcaro | ttick: I strongly suggest using them. |
| 08:19.18 | mwilson | ttick: So rewrite your program to be standard C. |
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| 08:19.24 | ttick | dondelelcaro: oh, what do they do? |
| 08:19.35 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 08:19.36 | deadcat | ttick: point to the right compiler |
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| 08:19.36 | kneet | man make ? |
| 08:19.41 | dondelelcaro | ttick: uh... if you're going to bother to compile anything, you should really read the Makefile. |
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| 08:20.03 | dondelelcaro | help you to reach enlightenment it can |
| 08:20.12 | deadcat | are there ppc plugin for flash? |
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| 08:20.23 | liable | heh, sounds like yoda, it does. :P |
| 08:20.25 | ttick | dondelelcaro: I know the makefile, just not a make journeyman. |
| 08:20.40 | metaperl | I have two questions typed up on ip masquerading... please help me: http://rafb.net/paste/results/eAKq0q17.html |
| 08:21.02 | Crissi | thx |
| 08:21.03 | ttick | gcc v3.3.5 has no problems with the code. gcc v4.0 pukes. :( |
| 08:21.04 | metaperl | I had to type them up so you could see all route and ifconfig info and ping feedback |
| 08:21.10 | Crissi | when it will be up again? |
| 08:21.22 | mwilson | ttick: So? |
| 08:21.31 | juicy | they did demand the java and then the program says finish and nothing happens...thats why i tried the manual install linux rpm and after the download when i verify if it happend nothing? |
| 08:21.39 | dimir | ttick: well, usually, to use other than default compiler you set CC to, for example gcc32, and/or CXX to g++32, for using gcc3.2 compilers |
| 08:22.04 | ttick | dimir: thanks for the clarification, dimir! |
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| 08:22.15 | juicy | i mean when i tried the manual install nothin happened |
| 08:22.16 | liable | metaperl: why didnt you just install shorewall like i suggested this morning? you would have been done in ~30 mins.. |
| 08:22.19 | dimir | ttick: no problemo |
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| 08:22.30 | metaperl | liable: I chose guidedog and guarddog |
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| 08:22.40 | metaperl | I was confused by shorewall |
| 08:22.48 | mwilson | dimir: Really. When did Debian change its naming convention for compilers, then? They've always been "gcc-<version>" up until now. |
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| 08:23.38 | metaperl | liable: this line from the shorewall page scared me off: "Shorewall is not the easiest to use of the available iptables configuration tools" |
| 08:23.52 | liable | metaperl: http://www.shorewall.net/1.3/ |
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| 08:24.04 | metaperl | 2.4 comes with testing |
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| 08:24.28 | dimir | mwilson: never used non-default compiler actually :-) Good you pointed it out. |
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| 08:24.56 | dave___ | Hi guys, I'm trying to install my nvidia drivers for x.org in sid... but I must've cleaned my kernel headers. However, when trying to re-compile the kernel it's saying it can't determine my computer's arch or subarch. Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 08:24.57 | ttick | dimir: yep, changed it to CC=gcc-3.3 works like a charm now. |
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| 08:25.28 | pedrolito59 | hi |
| 08:25.32 | dimir | ttick: good :-) |
| 08:25.40 | pedrolito59 | I have a question |
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| 08:25.48 | dave___ | (For some reason the currently installed nvidia driver wouldn't work. I hate linux at times) |
| 08:25.53 | pedrolito59 | I can't see the directory /proc/sys |
| 08:25.56 | liable | metaperl: http://www.shorewall.net/1.4/ |
| 08:26.07 | dimir | ttick: but, wouldn't you program be more portable if you'd add ANSI C compatibility to it? ;-) |
| 08:26.20 | ttick | dimir: you just saved me a night of headaches. never even seen the error 4.0 threw at me. |
| 08:26.23 | saloxin_ | dave___: don't hate linux. hate the company's only releasing proprietary drivers |
| 08:26.32 | metaperl | liable: I have eth2 wireless and eth0 wired... I think I should read "Basic Two-Interface Firewall" |
| 08:26.39 | metaperl | on the shorewall site |
| 08:26.44 | dimir | ttick: don't mention it ;-) |
| 08:26.50 | dave___ | saloxin_: That's not the only reason I hate it :P |
| 08:27.04 | ttick | dimir: definately, would. Unfortunately, I've inherited a large body of code that I didn't write. And it isn't cost-efficent to re-write large swaths of working code. :) |
| 08:27.10 | liable | metaperl: thats the link I gave you |
| 08:28.02 | ttick | dimir: is gcc 4.0 now more ANSI C strict? |
| 08:28.12 | dimir | ttick: Oh, I see. |
| 08:28.42 | liable | metaperl: just read through it, then all you need to do, is add a route. (which there are examples in route man page) |
| 08:28.46 | dimir | ttick: Don't know, but I don't think they started to pay less attention to following ANSI. |
| 08:29.00 | ttick | dimir: lol, good point. |
| 08:29.14 | dimir | :-) |
| 08:29.18 | dave___ | But does anyone know why I'm getting that weird problem when trying to compile my kernel? |
| 08:30.04 | dimir | ttick: anyway, if it's enough for you if your program compiles on a specific compiler, I guess you worries stop here for now. |
| 08:30.17 | ttick | dimir: the error is really weird to me too, never seen this before: error: array type has incomplete element type :boggle: |
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| 08:30.51 | dave___ | Bleh |
| 08:31.00 | ttick | dimir: yeah, when I figure out what 4.0 is talking about, I'll prolly make sure it compiles on it. But I'll save that for a rainy day -- or whever incompatibility starts bugging me. |
| 08:31.00 | dave___ | I think I may just switch to ubuntu at some stage. I think I'm due for a reinstall |
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| 08:33.01 | ttick | dimir: well, a quick google tells me I'm not alone with this bug. |
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| 08:33.55 | dimir | ttick: hmm, this needs some investigation, I guess ;-) |
| 08:34.04 | dimir | dave: you can specify the arch |
| 08:34.12 | dimir | oops |
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| 08:35.34 | ttick | dimir: Yep, GCC 4.0 release page indicates the new strictness. Just seems projects like afterstep have the same late-binding problem in their source. *shrug* should be easy enough to fix. |
| 08:36.09 | wombachi | what's easiest way to rebuild a package by only changing some of it's dependencies? which tool/man page should I read? |
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| 08:36.45 | jm_ | you only need to use ar for that, but why do that? |
| 08:36.52 | jm_ | well and a text editor |
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| 08:37.51 | wombachi | ok, so .debs are in ar format, thanks. |
| 08:38.07 | wombachi | to backport the testing postfix to stable |
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| 08:38.10 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:38.13 | gypsymauro | how I can enable "per user" ACL on fs? |
| 08:38.22 | wombachi | because of 2 security vulns |
| 08:38.37 | wombachi | jm_ http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/proftpd/proftpd_1.2.10-20/changelog |
| 08:38.46 | jm_ | backport? that means you'll have to rebuild it |
| 08:39.22 | wombachi | jm_ sorry, not the correct word. I only need to alter a dependency, not rebuilding anything |
| 08:39.54 | jm_ | wombachi: that probably won't work |
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| 08:41.56 | wombachi | jm_ the annoying dep is on libncurses5 (5.4-5 required instead of 5.4.4), I dont think it's a big change |
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| 08:45.07 | chaica | hi |
| 08:45.14 | jm_ | wombachi: that's a proftpd-common dependency, not proftpd |
| 08:45.34 | jm_ | wombachi: not to mentiong libgcc 4.0 dependency :) |
| 08:46.01 | chaica | I'd like to buy a wifi usb key, fully linux compliant (without ndiswrapper if possible) Which one do you use on your laptop? |
| 08:46.42 | dimir | jm_: ouch! :-) |
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| 08:47.42 | wombachi | jm_: oops, you're right, libgcc 4.0 :-/ Not that simple, then |
| 08:47.43 | liable | !tell root about root |
| 08:48.04 | mike-m | :-) |
| 08:48.14 | aidehua | If I 'scan' using my wifi card, it can see my access point, but I can't get a DHCP lease from the AP. How do I tell if this is a WEP-key problem or <other>? |
| 08:48.19 | dpower | whois liable |
| 08:48.23 | dimir | lol |
| 08:48.26 | dpower | lol |
| 08:48.31 | dpower | ./ |
| 08:48.50 | liable | I am liable! |
| 08:48.55 | dimir | like, s/^/\// |
| 08:48.56 | dimir | :-) |
| 08:48.59 | dpower | i was waitin fer that |
| 08:49.09 | freet15 | Hello, Is there any tools for Screenshot based gnome? |
| 08:49.22 | Phated | Just use scrot. |
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| 08:49.29 | freet15 | scrot? |
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| 08:49.38 | IsaacHaze | or xwd |
| 08:49.43 | SimonRaven | yeh, in the menu, or nice little scritable thing called scrot |
| 08:49.44 | Phated | scrot. |
| 08:49.49 | SimonRaven | scriptable* |
| 08:49.51 | freet15 | Thank you , guys~ |
| 08:49.56 | SimonRaven | people |
| 08:49.56 | Phated | SimonRaven! How are you? |
| 08:49.57 | aidehua | ...or imagemagick's 'import -window root' |
| 08:50.02 | SimonRaven | Phated: ok. you? |
| 08:50.11 | Phated | SimonRaven: Wonderful. |
| 08:50.14 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 08:50.17 | dpower | uh |
| 08:50.34 | SimonRaven | forgot a 'd' there |
| 08:50.37 | Phated | Uh-uh-uh yeeaaaah o/~ |
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| 08:51.05 | dimir | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.07 | dimir | lol |
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| 08:51.20 | dpower | 0.o |
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| 08:51.44 | mike-m | o.0 |
| 08:51.49 | metaperl | liable: is eth2 is wireless DHCP connection to internet and eth0 is a physical ethernet conneciton I plan to supply to a local machine for wired connection , is eth0 considered my internal interface in shorewall terminiology? |
| 08:52.00 | metaperl | s/is/if |
| 08:52.27 | liable | metaperl: yes, its loc |
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| 08:55.18 | TyreseJones | I want to remove all applications, except of openoffice, and firefox - how do i get apt to do that? |
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| 08:57.41 | Phated | Clearly, you can't actually remove everything else. What about X, for one? Or ... well, a million others. |
| 08:57.52 | Phated | Try debfoster and say no to everything but oo.o and ff. |
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| 08:58.55 | Nurbs | ... and live with a broken system :) |
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| 08:59.24 | TyreseJones | Phated, Okay, i don't mena EVERYTHING - i mean i only want my end users to have access to a restricted set of applications |
| 08:59.42 | TyreseJones | But I can't figure out have to give them diffrent desktops |
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| 08:59.52 | petykoo | hi |
| 09:00.31 | Nurbs | restricting the applications to be used is far from trivial |
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| 09:01.03 | cahoot | remove the xterm/konsole and prune the menu? |
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| 09:02.14 | TyreseJones | of/off |
| 09:02.54 | liable | that quit message always makes me feel sad, for some weird reason.. |
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| 09:03.58 | cahoot | TyreseJones: with the reservation that I don't know what wm/de is at hand I really believe that's doable |
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| 09:04.32 | cahoot | TyreseJones: if it's a good thing I let you decide |
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| 09:08.57 | pro | hey guys, can anyone point me in the direction of a doc to read about using alsa? its for a SB-Live Audigy LS 24bit card. |
| 09:09.03 | pro | oh, and debian sid |
| 09:09.39 | henrysixwives | Hey ppl, does anyone know how to tell bind to reply differently based on the requesting IP? |
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| 09:10.39 | tarzeau | pro: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 09:10.51 | davi_ | Why is not the GNU Visual Debugger in Sarge ? |
| 09:11.03 | pro | 2.6.6 |
| 09:11.16 | tarzeau | davi_: cgdb ? |
| 09:11.21 | liable | sure about that? |
| 09:11.26 | tarzeau | pro: that's an old 2.6 , where you get that from? |
| 09:11.32 | pro | tarzeau: but will download an build a kernel by hand if i need to |
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| 09:11.49 | tarzeau | pro: you absolutely need 2.6? |
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| 09:12.04 | pro | tarzeau: apt-get install linux-kernel-2.6.6-1-686 |
| 09:12.05 | liable | sourceforge/alsa-project, theres the docs. |
| 09:12.10 | tarzeau | pro: the alsa-modules and kernel from here, works fine for me: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 09:12.18 | liable | pro: what distro you using? |
| 09:12.22 | pro | tarzeau: nope, i'll take what will work |
| 09:12.23 | davi_ | tarzeau Well, I see ddd, which I could use. I had used gvd too. thanks |
| 09:12.30 | pro | debian sarge |
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| 09:12.43 | tarzeau | pro: try, if anything doesn't work tell me |
| 09:12.49 | tarzeau | pro: got grub, right? |
| 09:12.54 | on1009 | i try to setup my exim4 mailer: i have 3 machines on my net and i want to send amil directly all other should go to smarthost |
| 09:12.59 | liable | um, no, I dont believe sarge ever released with 2.6.6.. |
| 09:13.03 | pro | tarzeau: lilo |
| 09:13.10 | on1009 | any help? |
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| 09:14.12 | pro | tarzeau: thanks, i'll try it all ( its my home PC, and i dont have internet at home, my neibours are too lame to get wireless) |
| 09:14.30 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 09:14.30 | dpkg | Sorry, twistedemotions, I didn't get your test. |
| 09:14.38 | TwistedEmotions | ;P Goooood |
| 09:14.38 | tarzeau | liable: same here |
| 09:15.11 | dimir | liable: and a package named linux-kernel too |
| 09:15.28 | liable | tarzeau: you work out your module thing? I see they woke up in debian-boot :) |
| 09:16.08 | tarzeau | liable: yap, i'm able to install my own kernel from inside d-i now :) |
| 09:16.12 | tarzeau | liable: i'm so cool , heh |
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| 09:16.19 | liable | haha :) |
| 09:16.37 | liable | !prize tarzeau |
| 09:17.02 | liable | thats about as good as a !prize gets :P |
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| 09:17.12 | aserrano | hi, does anybody know the status of zope2.8 packages? |
| 09:18.02 | dimir | zhopa! |
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| 09:19.12 | dpower | boo |
| 09:19.32 | dimir | wow, is it gold??!?!?!??!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!??! |
| 09:19.44 | dpower | tinfoil |
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| 09:21.53 | TyreseJones | Can i paste three lines in here, I want to ask a question about my pxe default config file |
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| 09:22.22 | deadcat | TyreseJones: try it. bot might kick you though |
| 09:23.18 | TyreseJones | i think i'll type it as one line! |
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| 09:24.29 | TyreseJones | label Ghost Boot Disk - kernel memdisk - append initrd=netboot.img those are my three lines, and for some reason, i don't get an option to boot that image - even if that is the only thing in there - it doesn't boot |
| 09:25.15 | dimir | TyreseJones: did you run 'lilo' after changing lilo.conf? |
| 09:25.35 | TyreseJones | lilo? It's a thinclient scenario |
| 09:26.01 | dimir | hmmm, seemed to me a lilo config file :-) |
| 09:26.09 | dimir | maybe it uses it. |
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| 09:26.53 | jm_ | that's a GRUB config file, not lilo |
| 09:27.16 | dimir | append? |
| 09:27.18 | dimir | sure? |
| 09:27.34 | TyreseJones | It's pxeconfig.cfg/default - a file that you'll find on a thinclient server, in the tftpboot directory! |
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| 09:27.45 | dimir | jm_: append was in lilo, AFAIK |
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| 09:28.03 | jm_ | wait, it's neither, append is lilo, but kernel is GRUB :) |
| 09:28.48 | dimir | jm_: oh, which one is it instead of kernel in lilo then? |
| 09:28.56 | jm_ | dimir: image? |
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| 09:29.05 | TyreseJones | jm_ and dimir It's not GRUB, or LILO! It's from syslinux! |
| 09:29.12 | jm_ | TyreseJones: yes, we figured ;) |
| 09:29.24 | dimir | jm_: maybe :-) |
| 09:29.32 | Raam | How do I add a user so he has 'sudo' access in debian... I figured there might be an /etc/sudoers like in mandrake.... |
| 09:29.41 | dimir | TyreseJones: oh jeee, now I recognize it! |
| 09:29.45 | dimir | :-) |
| 09:29.53 | TyreseJones | dimir, jm_ : That's why i like linux users - always up for a fight!! |
| 09:30.00 | dimir | lol |
| 09:30.08 | cahoot | Raam: man visudo |
| 09:30.09 | dimir | reem: there should be |
| 09:30.11 | PeterB | Raam: There is. |
| 09:30.17 | dimir | damn |
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| 09:30.42 | dimir | TyreseJones: s/fight/nice conversation/ |
| 09:30.43 | dimir | :-P |
| 09:30.44 | cahoot | Raam: and probably also man sudoers |
| 09:30.50 | jm_ | TyreseJones: do you even see tftp request? |
| 09:31.45 | dimir | TyreseJones: or does it try network boot at all? :-) |
| 09:31.56 | Raam | no manpages for visudo or sudoers? |
| 09:32.00 | TyreseJones | jm_ Everything works fine, i can get all my clients up and running on my thinserver box - but now i want to both other things. I would have thought it would be harder to boot a linux kernel, but not all, that boots fine |
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| 09:32.10 | dimir | Raam: that's because you don't have sudo installed |
| 09:32.13 | TyreseJones | jm_ I just want to boot a DOS image over my network |
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| 09:33.49 | chaica | I'd like to buy a wifi usb key, fully linux compliant (without ndiswrapper if possible) Which one do you use on your la |
| 09:34.22 | deadcat | chaica: prism chipset.. prism54usb is VERY crappy now |
| 09:34.40 | jm_ | TyreseJones: so you're trying to boot a floppy image with DOS on it? |
| 09:34.42 | liable | chaica: why not cardbus? |
| 09:34.53 | Randall64 | So I'm using kernel-image-2.6.11-amd64-k8 with an i386 sarge. What do I need to install to compile kernel modules? |
| 09:35.16 | liable | your what? |
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| 09:35.38 | liable | oh, nm my brain just started.. |
| 09:35.45 | chaica | deadcat : do you have a key name? |
| 09:36.07 | liable | !m-a |
| 09:36.07 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
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| 09:36.49 | Randall64 | yes, that's what's failing |
| 09:36.50 | deadcat | chaica: i have a syntax 400 i think. its white. no logo. so i dont remember the model (=.. also have a orinoco usb. |
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| 09:37.24 | chaica | deadcat : thanks a lot |
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| 09:41.43 | dimitrj | can someone tell me the name of the german channel? |
| 09:42.00 | _SerhaT_ | !de |
| 09:42.00 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 09:42.03 | PeterB | !de |
| 09:42.06 | faber2 | really easy question: deb file, how do i list its contents? |
| 09:42.08 | dimitrj | only de? |
| 09:42.18 | wombachi | is this a correct way to backport postfix from testing to sarge, on a sarge box? apt-get build-dep proftpd and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc ? is there any problem doing so? |
| 09:42.22 | _SerhaT_ | dimitrj: read the message of dpkg |
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| 09:42.35 | faber2 | _SerhaT_: i did |
| 09:42.50 | dimitrj | ok, thanks. |
| 09:42.52 | _SerhaT_ | I said dimitrj not you, heh |
| 09:43.01 | faber2 | _SerhaT_: oh sorry, |
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| 09:44.27 | PeterB | wombachi: So you want postfix or proftpd? |
| 09:44.45 | faber2 | how do i list the contents of a .deb file? |
| 09:44.49 | tarzeau | this even looks mroe interesting: http://sourceforge.net/projects/avf |
| 09:44.52 | tarzeau | faber2: using ar |
| 09:45.01 | wombachi | PeterB proftpd, sorry. |
| 09:45.02 | PeterB | faber2: man dpkg |
| 09:45.36 | wombachi | faber2: hint: -c |
| 09:46.02 | jm_ | wombachi: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:47.22 | faber2 | wombachi: thx |
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| 09:49.17 | wombachi | jm_ thanks :) I didnt use apt-get source because testing is not in the sources.list. I used wget and dpkg-source -x |
| 09:49.19 | TyreseJones | Does anyone in here use thier PXE server to boot DOS images? |
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| 09:49.41 | jm_ | wombachi: right |
| 09:49.43 | Noid | does the british keyboard include characters such as แ ้ ํ ๓ ๚? I am trying to set up a supposedly british keyboard and it has those characters (as third option in its corresponding letters) but the gb layout doesn't have them |
| 09:49.54 | jm_ | TyreseJones: syslinux doesn't support that |
| 09:50.15 | TyreseJones | jm_ yes it does! |
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| 09:50.42 | jm_ | TyreseJones: naah, only isolinux supports images |
| 09:50.43 | TyreseJones | so does pxelinux, it uses memdisk to do it |
| 09:51.31 | tarzeau | jm_: i got it to work. finally |
| 09:51.41 | jm_ | ahh memdisk, forgot about that |
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| 09:52.35 | jm_ | TyreseJones: the example says you don't use append command |
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| 09:53.02 | jm_ | hmm a bit weird, one example does, the other doesn't - maybe this is worth trying |
| 09:53.06 | metaperl | I have two simple IP masquerading questions typed up here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/hFJlkD77.html ... i'd appreciate any help I could get |
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| 09:53.18 | TyreseJones | jm_ Really? I'm going to make a quick edit to my machine, and i'll let you know if it works |
| 09:53.33 | telaz | liable: I've solved my pb ! just wanted to tell you why, quickly |
| 09:53.35 | jm_ | TyreseJones: is this a floppy or hard disk image? |
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| 09:53.46 | liable | metaperl: you gave up! |
| 09:54.02 | metaperl | liable: shorewall locked my whole machine up... i couldnt even get to the internet |
| 09:54.06 | TyreseJones | jm_ It's an image on my tftp server |
| 09:54.12 | metaperl | i removed shorewall and every config file related to it I could find |
| 09:54.14 | liable | telaz: ok, go ahead, and remind what it was.. |
| 09:54.23 | liable | metaperl: bah |
| 09:54.31 | jm_ | TyreseJones: yes, but how was the image created? :) |
| 09:54.35 | telaz | I mounted /dev/sdb1 and got /dev/sda1 |
| 09:54.47 | telaz | I just did cat /proc/partitions to get major and minor for my sdb1, then rm /dev/sdb1, then mknod /dev/sdb1 b maj min |
| 09:54.49 | metaperl | nothing worked... my questions are on a simple barebones setup... if these questions cant be answered, no need for shorewall |
| 09:54.53 | TyreseJones | jm_ OH, umm.... i think it's a floppy disk image |
| 09:55.10 | telaz | in conclusion : the /dev/sdb1 was wrongly created ... for some reason |
| 09:55.13 | jm_ | TyreseJones: right, is it of the right size? |
| 09:55.23 | liable | telaz: ahh, now I remember.. good on ya :) |
| 09:55.45 | telaz | liable: I was right, to stick the usbkey up tux's ass, he confessed ;-) |
| 09:55.53 | liable | hehe :) |
| 09:56.01 | TyreseJones | jm_ it's 1444 |
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| 09:56.22 | jm_ | TyreseJones: it should be exactly 1474560 bytes uncompressed |
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| 09:57.51 | TyreseJones | jm_ I typed du myimage.img and it came back 1444 - how do i get it to be more exact |
| 09:58.52 | PeterB | TyreseJones: ls -l ? |
| 09:59.26 | NetDC | how to make a deb file to rpm? |
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| 09:59.28 | TyreseJones | It's 1474560 - Thanks PeterB |
| 09:59.43 | jm_ | looks OK |
| 09:59.48 | deadcat | NetDC: alien |
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| 10:00.02 | tarzeau | why can't i search experimental in http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ? |
| 10:00.09 | tarzeau | should i file a bug against www? |
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| 10:01.01 | jm_ | tarzeau: it works if you search manually, it's just not available as a selection |
| 10:01.48 | NetDC | thanks deadcat.. |
| 10:02.03 | jm_ | tarzeau: just select any |
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| 10:05.38 | Omniscientist | anyone here familiar with the ISP fusion broadband? |
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| 10:07.44 | nelse | hi |
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| 10:12.25 | freewoody | How can I change the name of a partition in Debian ? |
| 10:12.54 | deadcat | freewoody: what name? |
| 10:13.56 | freewoody | I want to change /backup to /usr/local/squid/cache |
| 10:14.42 | solidliq | Omniscientist: how about fusion frenzy? :) |
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| 10:15.19 | solidliq | freewoody: how about an ln -s ? |
| 10:15.37 | Omniscientist | solidliq: hehe, nahh. im just curious if anyone has heard of em because the apartment im moving to in a week has it and i hope they dont block incoming connections to port 80, 25, and imap's stuff |
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| 10:16.07 | solidliq | Omniscientist: hehe, good luck, it's unlikely they don't |
| 10:16.29 | nelse | freewoordy : as an speperate filesystem ? look at : /etc/fstab |
| 10:17.41 | solidliq | nelse: that applies to any linux system (unless the distro heavily mods things) |
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| 10:18.21 | freewoody | nelse, if I just modify /etc/fstab and reboot the machine, will the partition name change too |
| 10:18.23 | freewoody | ?? |
| 10:18.44 | OleMoudi | is anybody here using testing and having evolution crashing on startup? |
| 10:18.50 | OleMoudi | I read its a bug from libgnomecanvas |
| 10:19.01 | OleMoudi | but its been almost a month and still not fixed |
| 10:19.02 | jm_ | freewoody: it's called mount point, not partition name |
| 10:19.03 | saloxin_ | freewoody: make sure the target directory exists first. no real need to rebooot, just umount and mount -a |
| 10:19.26 | solidliq | freewoody: fstab denotes mount points. the partition 'name' would be, like, /dev/hda9 |
| 10:20.05 | freewoody | Yes will the mount points change after modifying the /etc/fstab |
| 10:20.11 | Omniscientist | solidliq, its unlikely they dont block those ports? |
| 10:20.21 | Omniscientist | solidliq, time warner let it all happen |
| 10:20.25 | solidliq | Omniscientist: it's seems like they all do |
| 10:20.28 | solidliq | really? |
| 10:20.48 | Omniscientist | yah i host a website, imap and smtp, ftp, ssh, mysql server here |
| 10:20.49 | Omniscientist | all works good |
| 10:21.07 | solidliq | my friends and I have always had the most usefull ports blocked by all our ISPs |
| 10:21.30 | Omniscientist | ive just been working on this stuff allll summer |
| 10:21.31 | nelse | freewoody : jep |
| 10:21.31 | freewoody | After changing the /etc/fstab, what do I have to do next ? |
| 10:21.37 | Omniscientist | if i move to this place and find out that all my work is for nothing |
| 10:21.38 | Omniscientist | i dunno man |
| 10:22.10 | solidliq | Omniscientist: yeah, that would suck, but you could always pay for colocation |
| 10:22.33 | saloxin_ | freewoody: umount /backup; mount -a |
| 10:22.47 | solidliq | freewoody: umount whatever /backup is, ... yeah, what soloxin said |
| 10:23.25 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 10:23.30 | freewoody | After umount /backup |
| 10:23.36 | freewoody | I do mount -a |
| 10:23.36 | solidliq | Omniscientist: 9 or 10 bucks a month |
| 10:23.37 | Raam | Hrmm.. is there anything specific I need to do to get the mysql extensions to load on debian after installing it? |
| 10:23.42 | nelse | freewody : create a filesystem ( maybe /dev/sda6 ) and edit the /etc/fstab : /dev/sda6 /freewoody ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 2 |
| 10:23.57 | yoo | where can i find this package : libwxgtk2.5.3 wx2.5-headers ? |
| 10:24.03 | Omniscientist | solidliq, colocation? |
| 10:24.17 | yoo | i use deborphan too fast ! |
| 10:24.34 | Raam | I've installed apache, mysql, php and so on.. but I get a 'Fatal error: mysql extension not loaded' when I try to access the database... Is there anything else I need to configure in debian to make it work besides having those things installed? |
| 10:24.35 | solidliq | Omniscientist: just do a google search for linux colocate or colocation |
| 10:24.53 | freewoody | nelse, I have /dev/hde13 /backup ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 10:25.16 | solidliq | basically, you pay an ISP to run a linux box on their (typically) OC-3 or better |
| 10:25.17 | nelse | that sounds good :) |
| 10:25.27 | freewoody | I want it to change to /dev/hde13 /usr/local/squid/cache ext3 defaults 0 2 |
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| 10:25.38 | Omniscientist | yah but |
| 10:25.40 | Omniscientist | i want to run my own box |
| 10:25.56 | saloxin_ | Raam: apt-get install php4-mysql; apachectl restart |
| 10:26.09 | Raam | I'll try that. |
| 10:26.10 | Raam | Thanks |
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| 10:26.19 | solidliq | well, it'll be "your own box," just one that's owned by them. But if you pay the right amount, only your stuff will be on that box |
| 10:26.24 | saloxin_ | freewoody: looks good |
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| 10:26.42 | nelse | and in the /etc/fstab ( you need this file to have this filesystem after reboot ) : /dev/hde13 /backup ext3 rw,errors=remount 0 1 |
| 10:26.42 | Raam | saloxin_ : Already installed and says it's the newest version. |
| 10:26.45 | freewoody | salaxin, I do: umount /backup |
| 10:26.50 | granden | port80.se is a good colocation center |
| 10:26.50 | freewoody | and then I do: mount -a |
| 10:26.53 | solidliq | freewody: yep |
| 10:26.53 | freewoody | That's it ??? |
| 10:27.01 | solidliq | yep |
| 10:27.03 | nelse | jep |
| 10:27.04 | saloxin_ | Raam: then check that the extension is active in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 10:27.07 | freewoody | thanks alot |
| 10:27.13 | nelse | :) |
| 10:27.17 | Raam | saloxin_ : alright. |
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| 10:27.17 | pedrolito59 | is it possible to habe a network interface connected to /dev/null ? |
| 10:27.21 | saloxin_ | freewoody: mount <- will tell you the tsate of affairs :-) |
| 10:27.35 | jm_ | perdrol;no, but there are dummy interfaces |
| 10:27.35 | solidliq | pedrolito59: heheh, what for? |
| 10:27.39 | jm_ | pedrolito59 ^^^^^^ |
| 10:28.07 | Raam | saloxin_: I'm looking for mysql.so right? |
| 10:28.13 | saloxin_ | Raam: yep |
| 10:28.27 | pedrolito59 | I want to add a route to a null interface like in cisco router |
| 10:28.29 | Omniscientist | solidliq, lets just hope for the best |
| 10:28.31 | Raam | damn.. wasn't enabled.. had a ; infront of it |
| 10:28.36 | saloxin_ | Raam: also - you might have to stop apache, and make sure it's down, before starting it again |
| 10:28.47 | solidliq | Omniscientist: yeah, it's cheaper that way :) |
| 10:29.26 | Omniscientist | solidliq, its also the principle that counts man lol |
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| 10:29.32 | Omniscientist | its the principle dagnabbit! |
| 10:29.32 | solidliq | Omniscientist: or find some IP's from that ISP and nmap it/16 or whatever :) heheh |
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| 10:29.41 | Omniscientist | yah |
| 10:29.49 | pedrolito59 | do u know how to add a route to a null interface ? |
| 10:29.49 | Omniscientist | hmm, yah...its time to hunt some subnets |
| 10:30.00 | solidliq | heheh |
| 10:30.06 | solidliq | go fer it |
| 10:30.10 | Raam | yay! That worked.. thanks for the help saloxin_ - Appreciate it!!! |
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| 10:30.41 | solidliq | pedrolito59: if you do, anything going to that iface will just go into a "black hole" you know |
| 10:31.12 | pedrolito59 | solidliq> that's what I want to do ! |
| 10:31.22 | Omniscientist | holy crap |
| 10:31.27 | Omniscientist | ive never seen so many ports open in my life |
| 10:31.32 | Omniscientist | if i nmap the front page |
| 10:31.44 | solidliq | pedrolito59: sorry, maybe i'm just tired, but *what* is the point again? |
| 10:31.54 | Omniscientist | lol it has 3 X sessions going? |
| 10:32.09 | solidliq | Omniscientist: heheh, some firewalls open everything as their "protection" mechanism |
| 10:32.11 | pedrolito59 | I want to add a route for a network and send it to a null interface to drop them |
| 10:32.20 | pedrolito59 | I don't want to use netfilter |
| 10:32.32 | Omniscientist | solidliq, yah, it has a bunch as closed |
| 10:33.08 | solidliq | Omniscientist: heheh, that ISP may be a pain in the a$$ to deal with then, since their IT guys are probably idiots |
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| 10:34.05 | Omniscientist | yah uh |
| 10:34.10 | Omniscientist | the result is different every time i nmap it |
| 10:34.20 | solidliq | pedrolito59: why no iptables? |
| 10:34.43 | solidliq | Omniscientist: ah, a "clever" firewall :) |
| 10:34.57 | pedrolito59 | not compiled on my kernel |
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| 10:35.09 | vivek | hello all |
| 10:35.36 | solidliq | so recompile your kernel, it'll use fewer cpu resources... c'mon, recompiling the kernel takes like 15-20 min. |
| 10:35.52 | vivek | is there a group for cd writing privileges ? |
| 10:35.57 | Omniscientist | solidliq, guess so lol |
| 10:36.19 | Omniscientist | lol guess its too much to hope they do reverse DNS |
| 10:36.30 | solidliq | heheh |
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| 10:39.27 | solidliq | spliiiiiiiiiiiiiiit |
| 10:39.36 | solidliq | vivek: check /etc/group |
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| 10:40.25 | solidliq | hey chrisb, where's cream? |
| 10:40.36 | solidliq | heheh, sorry, I'm an idiot |
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| 10:41.58 | chrisb7 | solidliq, i see ;) |
| 10:42.03 | solidliq | heheh |
| 10:42.13 | chrisb7 | but it's midday here :P |
| 10:42.22 | solidliq | chrisb: where's here? |
| 10:42.28 | chrisb7 | germany, europe |
| 10:43.29 | solidliq | chrisb: achtung! ich bin ein deutscher, aber ich wohne ins Chicago, IL, USA!! heheh |
| 10:43.44 | solidliq | nah, I'm American, just know a tiny bit 'o German |
| 10:44.02 | solidliq | "warning", I thought, would be a funny way to start that |
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| 10:44.15 | solidliq | anyway, it's just after 5am here, and I haven't gone to sleep yet |
| 10:44.18 | liable | !confuse solidliq |
| 10:44.19 | dpkg | No, those was my weasel tomorrow, solidliq? breeches of the people's republic of tibet with extra ham |
| 10:44.47 | solidliq | liable: heheh, that's a good one |
| 10:45.01 | solidliq | !confuse liable |
| 10:45.02 | dpkg | No, who are your gerbil tomorrow, liable? lederhosen of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra cheese |
| 10:45.24 | solidliq | ah, too prepackaged |
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| 10:46.10 | solidliq | !find cheese |
| 10:46.12 | dpkg | cheesetracker: (sound module tracking program (IT - Impulse Tracker clone)), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.9-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 950 kB, Installed size: 2228 kB |
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| 10:46.30 | solidliq | heh |
| 10:46.42 | solidliq | !find lederhosen |
| 10:46.50 | avrfreaky | how many GB i wont for tha 14cd install of tha debian.... |
| 10:46.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lederhosen' returned no results. |
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| 10:47.06 | chrisb7 | short question for a friend: how to start kde on a console? (i'm not a debian user, so i dont know :/) "/etc/inti.d/kde start" doesnt work.. startx -> command not found.. |
| 10:47.22 | kneet | kde or kdm? |
| 10:47.43 | chrisb7 | kde |
| 10:47.51 | liable | chrisb7: send him here. if startx doesnt work, then he prolly didnt install xserver.. |
| 10:47.52 | solidliq | avrfreaky: just d/l the first 1 or 2 discs, and d/l the rest from your new debian system... all thirteen will give you the ENTIRE repository of software |
| 10:48.00 | kneet | isn't that startkde ? Running on a friday memory here :) |
| 10:48.04 | solidliq | chrisb: startx |
| 10:48.12 | avrfreaky | apt-get ? |
| 10:48.16 | solidliq | kneet: no, startx has to call startkde |
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| 10:48.33 | kneet | Been a long time since I ran from a text login :) |
| 10:48.54 | solidliq | kneet: I always do |
| 10:49.09 | kneet | Doesn't startx work via .xsession or is this handled by debian alternatives? |
| 10:49.13 | solidliq | if you can't find startx, it may not be in your PATH |
| 10:49.21 | liable | chrisb7: tell him, apt-get install x-window-system kdm |
| 10:49.25 | liable | meh |
| 10:49.31 | chrisb7 | my friend is a linux newbie at all *g* his engilsh isnt the best as well. he just has downloaded cd1 for testing debian.. |
| 10:49.36 | solidliq | do slocate startx of find -r ./ startx |
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| 10:50.02 | solidliq | uh, or find... |
| 10:50.07 | chrisb7 | liable, i will |
| 10:50.08 | liable | chrisb7: ok, tell him to run 'tasksel' as root, and pick desktop |
| 10:51.05 | solidliq | uh, wow I'm tired... find ./ --iname startx |
| 10:51.13 | chrisb7 | pc is just booting right now.. very slow one.. |
| 10:51.15 | solidliq | uh, wow I'm tired... find / --iname startx |
| 10:51.19 | solidliq | heheheh, finally |
| 10:52.43 | solidliq | should be in /usr/bin/X11/startx btw |
| 10:53.19 | chrisb7 | we now try to install kdm and x-window-system according to liable |
| 10:53.28 | liable | chrisb7: no |
| 10:53.45 | solidliq | chrisb7: first just try: /usr/bin/X11/startx |
| 10:53.59 | liable | chrisb7: run 'tasksel' much easier, pick desktop, with the spacebar.. |
| 10:54.01 | chrisb7 | solidliq, shouldnt bash find the command? |
| 10:54.13 | solidliq | chrisb7: not if it's not in the PATH |
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| 10:54.23 | solidliq | try: echo $PATH to see what it's set to |
| 10:54.38 | liable | chrisb7: yes, if its installed, you wouldnt get that error.. |
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| 10:55.13 | solidliq | liable: oh yeah, it was just installed, so the PATH wouldn't have gotten screwed up somehow... |
| 10:55.29 | solidliq | (the distro I mean) |
| 10:56.01 | liable | ... |
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| 10:56.44 | gilv | is there a soft that can learn all what i do with the mouse and keyboard and repeat it ? |
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| 10:57.07 | solidliq | gilv: for what? |
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| 10:57.20 | solidliq | gilv: it sounds like your looking for a macro recorder |
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| 10:57.52 | Danjiel | hi! |
| 10:57.56 | nelse | hi |
| 10:58.17 | Danjiel | What exactly was the command to add an IP-Address to my networkcard? Can someone help me pls? :( |
| 10:58.42 | saloxin_ | Danjiel: ifconfig eth? 10.0.0.97 - or read man interfaces |
| 10:58.43 | nelse | ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 10:59.02 | solidliq | Danjiel: how about google.com/linux ing for ifconfig alias |
| 10:59.08 | nelse | or edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:59.33 | solidliq | nelse: he was looking to do an alias earlier |
| 10:59.34 | Danjiel | thx |
| 10:59.35 | nelse | aner /etc/init.s/networking restart |
| 10:59.45 | nelse | sorryx |
| 10:59.55 | Danjiel | it errors me: |
| 10:59.55 | Danjiel | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 10:59.55 | Danjiel | eht0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 10:59.57 | Danjiel | ๔O? |
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| 11:00.01 | Danjiel | sorry |
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| 11:00.30 | liable | um, eht0? |
| 11:00.36 | liable | eth0 |
| 11:00.37 | Danjiel | ups |
| 11:00.38 | Danjiel | lool |
| 11:00.38 | Danjiel | sry |
| 11:00.57 | gilv | solidliq: yes, a macro recorder |
| 11:01.04 | Danjiel | What do do if he "couldn't do name-lookup" ? |
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| 11:01.17 | saloxin_ | Danjiel: ifconfig -a <- will tell you available interfaces. study it, don't paste it here |
| 11:01.41 | Danjiel | mkay |
| 11:01.59 | gilv | does someone know a good macro recorder i could use ? |
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| 11:02.27 | solidliq | !find macro |
| 11:02.28 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'macro' (4): libapache2-mod-macro ;; libmacrosystem-dev ;; libmacrosystem0c102 ;; xmacro. |
| 11:02.31 | Raam | What mailserver system can you people recommend? when I try to do an apt-get install sendmail, it complains about missing two depencies and doesn't install them. Im looking for a mail system thats easy to configure/maintain |
| 11:02.50 | solidliq | !find recorder |
| 11:02.51 | ecraven | i get '***** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: ..' on sid as of today when starting xfree86 or xorg.. any ideas? |
| 11:02.52 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'recorder' (2): ksimus-datarecorder ;; sound-recorder. |
| 11:03.02 | ecraven | Raam: postfix |
| 11:03.06 | Raam | yeah? |
| 11:03.08 | saloxin_ | Raam: postfix or exim |
| 11:03.24 | solidliq | ecraven: did you do some sort of hardening to you machine lately? |
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| 11:03.45 | solidliq | gilv: dunno, try google.com/linux |
| 11:03.55 | ecraven | solidliq: hardening? |
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| 11:04.01 | ecraven | solidliq: don't think so.. |
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| 11:04.10 | solidliq | ecraven: security |
| 11:04.18 | ecraven | solidliq: no |
| 11:04.24 | solidliq | hmmm, then dunno |
| 11:04.34 | ecraven | solidliq: nothing that wouldn't happen on an upgrade |
| 11:04.41 | ecraven | solidliq: any suggestions where i could look? |
| 11:04.59 | solidliq | ecraven: try reinstalling glibc??? just a guess |
| 11:05.14 | ecraven | solidliq: how do i reinstall it? can't remove it, can i :) |
| 11:05.28 | solidliq | oh, how about prelink? you didn't do that lately either, did you? |
| 11:05.35 | ecraven | solidliq: no, never used that |
| 11:05.53 | ecraven | it's not even installed |
| 11:06.27 | solidliq | apt-get --reinstall glibc |
| 11:06.34 | solidliq | !find glibc |
| 11:06.36 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'glibc' (4): devhelp-book-glibc ;; glibc-doc ;; libg++2.8.1.3-glibc2.2 ;; libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2. |
| 11:06.48 | ecraven | libc6? |
| 11:06.55 | solidliq | !find libc |
| 11:06.56 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libc' (15 of 376): avr-libc ;; devhelp-book-glibc ;; dietlibc ;; dietlibc-dev ;; dietlibc-doc ;; elks-libc ;; glibc-doc ;; libapt-rpm-pkg-libc6.3-5-0 ;; libc-client-dev ;; libc-client2002edebian ;; libc-scan-perl ;; libc5 ;; libc5-altdbg ;; libc5-altdev ;; libc6. |
| 11:07.03 | solidliq | yeah |
| 11:07.15 | Raam | Ok.. now postfix is installed.. but I probably need to install some sort of pop3 daemon as well to use it fully. Don't I? Whats the name of a good solution here? |
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| 11:07.25 | saloxin_ | Raam: dovecot |
| 11:07.31 | Raam | huh? |
| 11:07.37 | liable | ecraven: bts |
| 11:07.48 | Raam | can I apt-get install that name saloxin_? |
| 11:07.59 | saloxin_ | Raam: yep :-) |
| 11:08.13 | saloxin_ | Raam: or apt-cache show dovecot |
| 11:08.18 | solidliq | you could try apt-get soloxin_ but I don't think it'll work :) heheh |
| 11:08.25 | Raam | lol |
| 11:08.57 | Raam | thanks for all the help .. this is a nice channel to come to for a new debian user. Quick and very reponsive answers =) |
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| 11:09.15 | solidliq | unlike other distros eh? :) |
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| 11:10.11 | Raam | This is the only distro I've used.... I like the package system.. Kinda hoping my knowledge will be big enough so I can dump microsoft completely. Sick and tired of their ridiculous licensing politics |
| 11:10.23 | kurtak | So I'm still having this problem when trying to compile my source. Any hints on where to fix this??? Error. The version number 2.6.13-rc4-RT-V0.7.52-14 is not all lowercase. Since the version ends up in the package name of the kernel image package, this is a Debian policy violation, and the packaging system shall refuse to package the image. . Stop. |
| 11:10.25 | Raam | stupid ass corporation. |
| 11:11.00 | kurtak | The only file i see where that name is mentioned is in autoconf.h, but only in a commented section |
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| 11:11.06 | cahoot | kurtak: edit the makefile |
| 11:11.18 | solidliq | Raam: the stability and quality of their software is my biggest complaint with them... but I guess you'll see that after you've used debian for awhile and gotten used to the lack of bugs/crashes/adware/spyware/viruses |
| 11:11.20 | Rickyx | Raam Which one ? |
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| 11:11.54 | Raam | Microsoft |
| 11:11.59 | kurtak | cahoot: ahh, right there in EXTRAVERSION is the rc4-blahblah |
| 11:12.18 | cahoot | Raam: ms is anything but stupid |
| 11:12.26 | Raam | true.. they know how to make money |
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| 11:12.30 | Raam | But that doesn't mean I have to like them |
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| 11:12.48 | solidliq | and they know how to advertise, that's their biggest seller |
| 11:12.48 | Raam | or the way they manipulate the system |
| 11:13.00 | solidliq | people buy their bs |
| 11:13.12 | johaBBa | anyone know a Debian security/updates RSS feed? |
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| 11:13.30 | kurtak | cahoot: thanks much |
| 11:13.32 | johaBBa | http://www.us.debian.org/security/dsa......is broken |
| 11:13.39 | Ecligprs | that'd be cool |
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| 11:13.51 | bartden | hi, someone here who knows how i can let BitchX execute a program on start |
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| 11:13.53 | Raam | They license a product as an operating system and include mediaplayer, browser, and a whole bunch of other programs.. sitting on 90-95% of the desktop OS market, they completely ruin it for other companies who want to try and get into the market.. |
| 11:14.32 | Raam | I especially like how they like to portrait themselves as being on top of the technology and often introduce things as being new and exciting.. but have existed a long time in other environments. |
| 11:14.39 | cahoot | Raam: so Marx was right? |
| 11:14.39 | ecraven | liable: i should post it or i find it mentioned there? |
| 11:14.46 | Raam | Marx? |
| 11:14.51 | cahoot | nm |
| 11:15.10 | johaBBa | heh |
| 11:15.18 | liable | ecraven: find it, if its not there, file one.. |
| 11:15.22 | solidliq | cahoot: no, Galileo et all were right... it ain't called computer SCIENCE for nothing |
| 11:15.28 | Raam | Anyways.. another mailserver question.. any easy installable and fairly good anti-spam solution out there that works with postfix? |
| 11:15.30 | ecraven | liable: can't find it.. i'll go and file one :) thanks |
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| 11:15.54 | solidliq | raam: spamassasin |
| 11:16.08 | Raam | thanks! |
| 11:16.16 | johaBBa | Raam, fetchmail + spamassassin |
| 11:16.28 | johaBBa | and some procmail thrown in too |
| 11:16.37 | Raam | any configuration nessecary, it does it work fine just by apt-get installing spamassassin? |
| 11:16.45 | solidliq | or qmail if you want your own mail server... avoid postfix |
| 11:16.48 | Raam | nessesary.. nescecary |
| 11:16.56 | Raam | something... |
| 11:16.57 | Raam | hehe |
| 11:17.16 | Raam | qmail I read somewhere was a pain to set up... no idea if it was true. |
| 11:17.21 | solidliq | you need to config your mail server for sure |
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| 11:17.37 | cahoot | and fetchmail and procmail |
| 11:17.37 | zimnyx | i'm in bash, i press CTR-r, and there's command completion from history, how can i move between those commands? |
| 11:17.37 | solidliq | raam: qmail isn't THAT bad to set up, tho it does take some time |
| 11:17.44 | solidliq | but it's VERY secure |
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| 11:18.09 | johaBBa | http://www.qmailrocks.org/ |
| 11:18.12 | solidliq | zimnyx: up and down arrow keys, or CTR-p for previous, CTR-n for next |
| 11:18.15 | Raam | dont think my linux knowledge is good enough to set something like that up Im afraid.. I'm looking for the easiest setup with as high security as that may provide... |
| 11:18.17 | johaBBa | step-by-step |
| 11:18.39 | solidliq | you can't go wrong with step-by-step |
| 11:18.52 | zimnyx | solidliq: thanks |
| 11:19.02 | solidliq | qmail hasn't had ONE remote vulnerability since 1998 |
| 11:19.02 | cahoot | solidliq: most wrong turns are done step by step |
| 11:19.05 | fatal_ | solidliq: never say never.... to many people do successed to fail. ;) |
| 11:19.08 | solidliq | heheh |
| 11:19.29 | zimnyx | solidliq: but i mean to browse matching commands in ctr-r mode. |
| 11:19.31 | solidliq | but still... |
| 11:19.49 | solidliq | zimnyx: oh, sorry, keep hitting ctr-r |
| 11:20.07 | Raam | solidliq: Where do I look / start to setup postfix to use spamassassin |
| 11:20.08 | solidliq | and left and right arrow to edit (or ctr-f and ctr-b) |
| 11:20.13 | zimnyx | solidliq: nice, thanks:) |
| 11:20.28 | solidliq | raam: heheh, www.tldp.org |
| 11:20.34 | ginipig | solidliq: it hasn't? |
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| 11:20.38 | Raam | Oohhh |
| 11:20.42 | Raam | nice site! :P |
| 11:20.46 | solidliq | yep |
| 11:20.56 | solidliq | ginipig: 'it' hasn't what?? |
| 11:21.20 | ginipig | qmail |
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| 11:21.36 | solidliq | ginipig: www.qmail.org, they advertise that |
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| 11:22.48 | granden | someone who have installed fgfs-base? |
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| 11:22.59 | rixth | Cowon's iAudio MP3 players play nice with Debian eh? |
| 11:23.00 | fseek | hello |
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| 11:23.25 | seytanla_tango | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.39 | seytanla_tango | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.46 | seytanla_tango | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.48 | solidliq | jello |
| 11:23.49 | solidliq | jello |
| 11:23.54 | johaBBa | wtf |
| 11:23.55 | solidliq | jello |
| 11:23.57 | liable | stopit! |
| 11:23.58 | seytanla_tango | :) |
| 11:24.03 | solidliq | see how annoying that is??????????????????????? |
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| 11:24.28 | fseek | no |
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| 11:24.32 | seytanla_tango | yes |
| 11:24.34 | saloxin_ | Raam: the easiest might be spamassassin + amavisd-new - check /usr/share/doc/amavisd-new for integration |
| 11:24.36 | liable | yeah fucking great, do the same thing. |
| 11:24.44 | seytanla_tango | I am turkey |
| 11:24.50 | johaBBa | indeed |
| 11:25.05 | solidliq | me am indian. me have bow and like to shoot turkey. yum |
| 11:25.13 | seytanla_tango | I am turkey |
| 11:25.17 | solidliq | me am indian. me have bow and like to shoot turkey. yum |
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| 11:25.30 | johaBBa | C:\echo off |
| 11:25.39 | seytanla_tango | :) |
| 11:25.43 | seytanla_tango | yes |
| 11:25.43 | solidliq | no, @echo off |
| 11:25.49 | Raam | Thanks saloxin_ |
| 11:25.51 | johaBBa | yeah, that. :) |
| 11:25.56 | solidliq | we don't want to see no stinkin' echo off statement! :) |
| 11:26.09 | seytanla_tango | turce blen varm |
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| 11:26.20 | seytanla_tango | turkce bilen var m |
| 11:26.25 | seytanla_tango | :) |
| 11:26.37 | markoff_c | :@ |
| 11:26.38 | liable | seytanla_tango: please stop that shit. |
| 11:26.42 | saloxin_ | seytanla_tango: oh shut up |
| 11:27.11 | seytanla_tango | what |
| 11:27.14 | seytanla_tango | sorry |
| 11:27.16 | seytanla_tango | ? |
| 11:27.44 | antgel_ | if my lan is behind a nat router, is there any point in having iptables set up on the router? seems to be that outside can't get in, except if i forward ports. |
| 11:28.10 | johaBBa | antgel_, it would be another layer of protection...defense in depth and all that.... |
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| 11:28.27 | Crissi | hi |
| 11:28.29 | seytanla_tango | no no no |
| 11:28.32 | seytanla_tango | h |
| 11:28.46 | antgel_ | johaBBa: i understand that, but in practice, is there any way to get in from the outside? |
| 11:28.46 | Crissi | any idea because this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist%40lists.debian.org/msg74625.html |
| 11:28.58 | Crissi | i also got this error... |
| 11:29.05 | johaBBa | antgel_, firewalking...but not so much if you aren't forwarding ports. |
| 11:29.09 | solidliq | antgel_: it's always good to have a firewall in place on a nat router |
| 11:29.16 | antgel_ | solidliq: why? |
| 11:29.20 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:29.30 | Guerin | iptables is iptables |
| 11:29.50 | solidliq | antgel_: to protect the machines behind it, and itself |
| 11:30.00 | Guerin | either he's talking about a hardware firewall, which i doubt, or he doesn't know what the fuck he's on about |
| 11:30.02 | johaBBa | antgel_, also you may be able to trick a router into thinking something from the outside is using an internal IP. iptables can protect against taht |
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| 11:30.15 | Guerin | iptables IS WHAT PROVIDES NAT |
| 11:30.18 | Guerin | hello |
| 11:30.21 | solidliq | yeah, that's called spoofing |
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| 11:30.36 | antgel_ | Guerin: i mean any need to use iptables to block ports etc |
| 11:31.04 | seytanla_tango | my hot mail suadiyereklam@hotmail.com womem searc wanted:) :) |
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| 11:31.13 | antgel_ | johaBBa: does this ever happen in practice? |
| 11:31.22 | johaBBa | antgel_, get it to block ports, filter IPs (in and out), and filter MACs so only your NICs can talk on the network. |
| 11:31.26 | Crissi | seytanla_tango: go away |
| 11:31.28 | solidliq | well, you could just leave it wide open and put up a billboard with your IP and the message "hack me" if that's your sort of kinky thing... |
| 11:31.43 | johaBBa | antgel_, my iptables logs show people trying to use private IPs on me all the time |
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| 11:31.53 | Guerin | solidliq: just tell apache to say it's IIS 4.x |
| 11:31.59 | Guerin | or hell, even 5.x |
| 11:32.00 | antgel_ | johaBBa: fair enough |
| 11:32.01 | johaBBa | 10.x.x.x, 172.16.x.x |
| 11:32.03 | johaBBa | 192.x.x.x |
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| 11:32.10 | solidliq | heheh |
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| 11:32.18 | antgel_ | solidliq: it's not wide open if there are no services running on the router |
| 11:32.28 | ginipig | just closed |
| 11:32.35 | solidliq | antgel_: set it up to log dropped packets, and you'll see a TON of messages in the log file |
| 11:32.49 | solidliq | antget_: yeah it is |
| 11:33.08 | johaBBa | i use epylog to parse those nastyp iptables logs into a nice table sorted by IP, ports and/or attempts. |
| 11:33.16 | antgel_ | solidliq: oh? if there are no services running, what is anyone gonna do? |
| 11:33.28 | seytanla_tango | turkce bilen var m |
| 11:33.33 | kurt_ak | I'll just ask again, b/c it seemed i wasn't receiving any messages... Now I'm having a kernel compiling problem, any guesses? i'm using gcc 2.95, and trying to compile a pathed 2.6.13 kernel. the error happens early in the process, and the first error says: include/linux/seqlock.h:75: parse error before `typeof' |
| 11:33.40 | kneet | !ops seytanla_tango |
| 11:33.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: seytanla_tango |
| 11:33.43 | solidliq | antgel_: hack you before you can say, "but there aren't any services running... no fair!" |
| 11:34.00 | ginipig | johaBBa: epylog? |
| 11:34.03 | johaBBa | http://linux.duke.edu/projects/epylog/ |
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| 11:34.08 | antgel_ | solidliq: and _how_ are they going to do that? i'm not saying you're wrong, just want a practical example |
| 11:34.13 | solidliq | kurt_ak: gcc 2.95 support was dropped |
| 11:34.17 | solidliq | in the kernel |
| 11:34.21 | fseek | kurt_ak did you look at seqlock.h:75 ? |
| 11:34.24 | solidliq | check kernel.org |
| 11:34.24 | seytanla_tango | ok |
| 11:34.26 | seytanla_tango | yes |
| 11:34.47 | kurt_ak | solidiq: ok, i'll try 3.3 then |
| 11:35.05 | johaBBa | antgel_, i took this class: http://www.infosecinstitute.com/courses/ethical_hacking_training.html |
| 11:35.11 | johaBBa | they show you how ;) |
| 11:35.12 | solidliq | antgel_: i don't know, ask the hackers... all I know is that they can and do hack machines with no services running |
| 11:35.26 | kurt_ak | fseek: no- not really. i haven't thought that a released kernel file or patch would not compile |
| 11:35.42 | fseek | kurt_ak it's still a Release candidate |
| 11:36.16 | solidliq | kurt_ak: it was on osnews.com that Linus Torvalds decided to drop support for gcc 2.95 |
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| 11:36.32 | antgel_ | solidliq: i'm not looking for an in-depth overview, but i can't find much evidence. ip relies on ports for connection. with no ports to connect to, i repeat, how can they do anything? |
| 11:36.32 | liable | johaBBa: do you happen t work for them, and that was a shameless plug? |
| 11:36.37 | johaBBa | no |
| 11:36.41 | johaBBa | i work for myself |
| 11:36.59 | antgel_ | it's all very well saying it can happen etc, but i'm interested in how, otherwise i'm not convinced |
| 11:37.03 | liable | explain how then. |
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| 11:37.07 | solidliq | antgel_: for one, SYN flooding... |
| 11:37.27 | johaBBa | liable, no thanks. |
| 11:37.31 | solidliq | that's why you use SYN cookies |
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| 11:37.55 | kurt_ak | solidiq: okay, thanks. i saw in a readme file (slightly older one) that if compiling didn't work for some problem that i was having, then i should try 2.95 |
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| 11:38.12 | solidliq | the firewall will protect you for dos attacks |
| 11:38.18 | solidliq | kurt_ak: no prob |
| 11:38.30 | kurt_ak | solidiq: but already i can tell the compilation is working better now |
| 11:38.36 | antgel_ | solidliq: syncookies are turned off in /etc/network/options, nothing to do with iptables. next? |
| 11:38.40 | kurt_ak | Thanks!! |
| 11:38.51 | solidliq | kurt_ak: yeah, just see osnews.com... it has the whole story |
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| 11:40.00 | seytanla_tango | turkce bilen var m |
| 11:40.05 | solidliq | antgel_: then turn them on!!! duh!! |
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| 11:40.26 | Angel-SL | hey |
| 11:40.39 | antgel_ | solidliq: i mean it's not an iptables thing. hence i still don't need iptables to block ports afaics. |
| 11:40.42 | Angel-SL | anyone knows where to get a good email server for LinUX |
| 11:40.47 | johaBBa | solidliq, but you will still get packets with SYN. you just turned off the cookies |
| 11:40.48 | Angel-SL | DebiaN |
| 11:40.55 | solidliq | angel-sl: qmail |
| 11:41.02 | Guerin | anything but qmail |
| 11:41.05 | Guerin | !qmail |
| 11:41.05 | dpkg | i guess qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or ... |
| 11:41.11 | Guerin | worst mailserver option evar |
| 11:41.11 | johaBBa | er to antgel_ instead of solidliq |
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| 11:41.37 | Angel-SL | Guerin, cud u gimme a freeware and apt-getable one? |
| 11:41.43 | ginipig | johaBBa: epylog looks awesome. thanks for mentioning it |
| 11:41.44 | Guerin | Angel-SL: exim4 |
| 11:41.45 | johaBBa | antgel_, and if you are trying to be 'steathly' then i can still tell your host is up by send a syn packet. |
| 11:41.53 | johaBBa | ginipig, it is. np :) |
| 11:41.54 | fseek | I'm interested too, what type of attacks can bypass a NAT router from the outside to the internal LAN? |
| 11:42.14 | antgel_ | johaBBa: should i care if you know i'm up? you can ping me for all i care. |
| 11:42.19 | solidliq | angel-sl: postfix |
| 11:42.25 | seytanla_tango | turkce bilen var m |
| 11:42.36 | johaBBa | antgel_, you are still vulnerable to syn flooding, i believe |
| 11:42.48 | liable | solidliq: um, from a 2.6.12.4 readme.. Make sure you have gcc 2.95.3 available. |
| 11:42.50 | antgel_ | ok, so iptables needs to be configured to protect against syn flooding. is that it? |
| 11:43.02 | ginipig | antgel_: check out arno's iptables rules. |
| 11:43.08 | antgel_ | i'm trying to go minimal here (and yes i understand that this is security) |
| 11:43.11 | ginipig | antgel_: read each rule, and try to understand them |
| 11:43.22 | Angel-SL | solidliq, too late. its done installing exim4 |
| 11:43.37 | johaBBa | antgel_, and it all really goes back to the defense in depth idea....if you got so many layers of security and the next guy has less. the smart hacker is going to bypass you and get the weaker target. |
| 11:43.55 | johaBBa | antgel_, if you are that much harder to find or connect to or figure out.... |
| 11:44.03 | johaBBa | antgel_, then he'll just move on. |
| 11:44.03 | bodq | why doesn't "customize window behaviur" window menu entry in KDE do anything? am I missing some KDE component ? |
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| 11:44.35 | johaBBa | antgel_, and i believe you are still vulnerable to simply packet mangling attacks with iptables actin only as a NAT router |
| 11:44.42 | antgel_ | johaBBa: i know what you are saying, but this is like elephant powder being sprinkled on the street |
| 11:44.45 | johaBBa | s/simply/simple |
| 11:44.50 | antgel_ | johaBBa: ok |
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| 11:45.41 | antgel_ | if i forward a port on this nat router (firewall?), does that compromise the entire idea of the fw? should the public server go into a dmz instead? |
| 11:46.09 | Angel-SL | antgel_, this linux is dmz. |
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| 11:46.14 | Angel-SL | ed |
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| 11:46.27 | johaBBa | antgel_, not really. many 'firewalls' forward ports...but now this. i can get behind your fw now to your hosts. and not just to the host your are fowarding to. |
| 11:46.35 | antgel_ | Angel-SL: i don't understand that |
| 11:47.15 | antgel_ | johaBBa: so surely you are saying that it _should_ go into a dmz? |
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| 11:47.24 | Angel-SL | Guerin, exim4 has a smtp? |
| 11:47.33 | streuner | heh |
| 11:47.33 | Angel-SL | or it uses the ISP's smtp |
| 11:47.35 | fseek | a question: syn flooding isn't effective only when there is a daemon listening to a tcp port ? |
| 11:47.36 | johaBBa | antgel_, here's my setup.... |
| 11:47.49 | johaBBa | antgel_, debian box acting as firewall and NAT router. |
| 11:48.01 | Angel-SL | Guerin, exim4 has a smtp? hello?? |
| 11:48.04 | johaBBa | antgel_, filtering inbound and outbound ips and MACs |
| 11:48.24 | johaBBa | antgel_, port forwarding for 993 for my spam filtering email server on my DMZ |
| 11:48.33 | johaBBa | antgel_, the f/w has 3 nics. |
| 11:48.33 | Angel-SL | johaBBa, exim4 has a smtp? |
| 11:48.46 | kneet | Angel-SL, have you even tried reading the exim4 documentation? |
| 11:48.47 | johaBBa | Angel-SL, dunno. i use postfix and/or qmail |
| 11:49.02 | Angel-SL | kneet, where is it installed |
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| 11:49.13 | antgel_ | johaBBa: yep, that's what i was thinking of. so it's a bad plan to port forward to an email server on the lan. |
| 11:49.14 | Angel-SL | i got it from synaptic |
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| 11:49.25 | fseek | Angel-SL forget exim, it's a nightmare to configure, you'd better use postfix :) |
| 11:49.29 | adsadsad | hi |
| 11:49.34 | TiTAN_pi8 | hello, can anybody help me with this problem: i can only automount as root |
| 11:49.41 | antgel_ | the dmz is just configured as another subnet? |
| 11:49.47 | kneet | Well - there's the man command, you can look under /usr/share/doc, check to see if there is a doc package to match - read the website - even google |
| 11:50.04 | johaBBa | antgel_, well...nic1 is private (desktops), nic2 is DMZ (email server and wireless), and nic3 is internet |
| 11:50.07 | borgasman | I bet u don't get this blue screens everyday LOL --> http://www.systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=46 |
| 11:50.13 | johaBBa | antgel_, no forwarding to nic1 |
| 11:50.25 | jm_ | TiTAN_pi8: that makes no sense |
| 11:50.42 | johaBBa | antgel_, forward to nic2, but all hosts on nic2 have their own iptables firewalls blocking all as well. |
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| 11:50.51 | johaBBa | antgel_, so do the hosts on the private lan for that matter |
| 11:51.01 | adsadsad | i'm trying to find if linux have "namedpipes" and "completionports" (as in Windows are named), someone can point me to some function name? |
| 11:51.10 | TiTAN_pi8 | jm_: why not? it's true: as root, when I plug in my usb stick, after 5 secs it gets mounted |
| 11:51.21 | johaBBa | antgel_, yeah, dmz is separate subnet...no access to anything on private |
| 11:51.25 | TiTAN_pi8 | jm_: as a normal user, it is not automounted, but i can do it manually |
| 11:51.35 | antgel_ | johaBBa: so desktops read mail off the email server in the dmz. it would be nice for us to be able to have the email server on the same machine as our fileserver (which is in the desktop section, as you put it) |
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| 11:51.55 | jm_ | TiTAN_pi8: are you using autofs? |
| 11:51.57 | johaBBa | antgel_, nothing can even get out to the internet on dmz unless its IP and MAC are in the iptables rulset |
| 11:52.05 | johaBBa | s/rulset/ruleset |
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| 11:52.36 | johaBBa | antgel_, yes, there is one rule that allows me to get to that one ip on the dmz for the email server |
| 11:52.41 | TiTAN_pi8 | jm_: i don't know. i do know that it doens't matter whether i have a /dev/sda entry in fstab or not and that i am using gnome-volume-manager |
| 11:52.47 | jm_ | adsadsad: man 3 mkfifo |
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| 11:53.06 | jm_ | TiTAN_pi8: ok that's GNOME doing it for you, that's not automounter |
| 11:53.17 | johaBBa | antgel_, but the email server cannot talk back to the private unless the private initiates it. (statful cnxn) |
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| 11:53.21 | Angel-SL | what is at and mutt? |
| 11:53.24 | TiTAN_pi8 | jm_: should i use automounter instead? |
| 11:53.35 | Angel-SL | and howcome uninstalling courier has to uninstall HOSE? |
| 11:53.43 | Angel-SL | those |
| 11:53.54 | jm_ | TiTAN_pi8: you should use whatever you want - does your user have access to the device? because it may simply be a permission related problem |
| 11:53.55 | mithi | hi, What option do i need to mount the win partition with write access? -o umask=??? |
| 11:53.57 | adsadsad | jm_: yes is what i've done, but is not what i mean, in windows a namedpipe is a pipe that an application ca connect to like accept listen in sockets |
| 11:53.59 | antgel_ | johaBBa: i suppose i could always deliver mail from the dmz email server to the internal email server over a ssh tunnel? |
| 11:54.06 | Angel-SL | what is at and mutt? |
| 11:54.07 | jm_ | mithi: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 11:54.33 | antgel_ | johaBBa: or is that another weakness - i.e. if the email server gets hacked, they can get to the internal lan |
| 11:54.41 | TiTAN_pi8 | jm_: the user has access to the device because manual mounting works. i can do 'mount /dev/sda4 /usbstick' and it will work perfectly (as root or as a normal user) |
| 11:54.43 | johaBBa | antgel_, i used to have the email server on the private lan...but i didn't like having stuff forwarded to the private lan |
| 11:55.08 | jm_ | adsadsad: I don't see any use for that |
| 11:55.11 | johaBBa | antgel_, with firewalking and some tricky netcat usage you can trick the iptables to forward to another machine on that subnet |
| 11:55.24 | jm_ | TiTAN_pi8: then it's a gnome thing, I am not familiar with it |
| 11:55.34 | Angel-SL | sighs |
| 11:55.37 | adsadsad | jm_: mmm it's strange that u can't see |
| 11:55.38 | johaBBa | antgel_, or simply map out the subnet and find a host that's not protected since the one that is getting forwarded too is mostly likely protected. |
| 11:55.45 | Angel-SL | i'll go with courier and postfix :/ |
| 11:55.46 | TiTAN_pi8 | jm_: ok, thanks for the help |
| 11:56.07 | fseek | johaBBa iptables does that directly via DNAT |
| 11:56.19 | antgel_ | johaBBa: how about this. i could use fetchmail on the internal email server to grab the mail off the dmz email server. |
| 11:56.23 | adsadsad | jm_: i have a pipe /dev/mypipe if this pipe is written by one app and reade from 2 apps the readers results are random |
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| 11:56.30 | johaBBa | fseek, eh? |
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| 11:56.44 | adsadsad | jm_: for that i can't see any use |
| 11:56.48 | antgel_ | johaBBa: but the dmz email server would only have smtp port accessible from outside, not the imap or pop port. |
| 11:57.17 | johaBBa | antgel_, why not just connect to the email server on the DMZ from the private (using tls/ssl)? |
| 11:57.35 | johaBBa | antgel_, like from a client (not another email server) on the private......? |
| 11:57.40 | DeadLine | hi, there. the "ip spoofing filter" (which is starting up at boottime) - is it protecting against spoofed ARP replies/modifying the ARP cache table ? |
| 11:57.42 | fseek | johaBBa, iptables can forward ip traffic directly via DNAT, maybe you were talking about something else, sorry if I missed some statement (I'm lurking :) |
| 11:57.58 | antgel_ | johaBBa: you mean leave the mail on the dmz box? i like to have everything in one place, for backup purposes etc |
| 11:58.42 | johaBBa | fseek, i was talking about how one could map out a subnet behind an iptables firewall if port forwarding is used. |
| 11:58.50 | antgel_ | johaBBa: the point of having the dmz box (for me) would be that if it gets hacked, it's replaceable, and all the mail is securely stored on the internal server |
| 11:59.04 | johaBBa | antgel_, ah. i gotcha. |
| 11:59.38 | johaBBa | antgel_, my backup box in on the private....i rsync from the private to the dmz for that. |
| 12:00.07 | antgel_ | johaBBa: and all our account info etc is on the internal server as well |
| 12:00.34 | adsadsad | so i need to use sockets on the local interface to get the same results of "namedpipes in windows"? |
| 12:01.00 | johaBBa | antgel_, i see. |
| 12:01.41 | DeadLine | nobody? |
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| 12:02.13 | jm_ | adsadsad: yes, exactly - and how would you solve that issue? |
| 12:02.19 | DeadLine | seems like you guys know a lot about your system.... |
| 12:02.21 | johaBBa | DeadLine, i think there's an arpfiliter similar to ipfilter....haven't used it tho. |
| 12:02.45 | hcy | hi, i just got a new netgear router, i'm trying to set it up. the instructions say that once everything's hooked up, to connect to it in a browser at http://192.168.0.1 but I'm getting 'connection refused' even though all the proper lights and everything are on. Any ideas? |
| 12:02.54 | hcy | i use debian sid |
| 12:03.09 | DeadLine | johaBBa: thanks for reply |
| 12:03.14 | antgel | hcy: run /sbin/ifconfig and make sure it's alright |
| 12:03.15 | adsadsad | jm_: do u get that this really sucks, and is a great lack of the sdk of linux? |
| 12:03.41 | hcy | antgel: what do i want to look for in ifconfig? (In order to test it, i have to come offline) |
| 12:03.59 | johaBBa | antgel, it make sense to use the internal server as a mirror. i was just wondering about having to maintain two email servers for that. |
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| 12:04.31 | jm_ | adsadsad: absolutely not |
| 12:04.49 | adsadsad | yes ports are limited |
| 12:04.58 | antgel | hcy: the correct ip address and subnet |
| 12:05.01 | johaBBa | DeadLine, ah....it's called "arptables" |
| 12:05.02 | ginipig | johaBBa: how'd you get epylog on your system? |
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| 12:05.16 | johaBBa | ginipig, the source |
| 12:05.23 | hcy | antgel: sorry, please explain |
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| 12:05.54 | amorphix | greetings |
| 12:05.59 | hcy | antgel: when i'm connected directly to my adsl modem and do ifconfig, i see my ip address in the ppp1 section |
| 12:06.07 | adsadsad | jm_: it's why LIS project spawned out, sockets are not pipes |
| 12:06.13 | hcy | antgel: which btw often changes, 'cause it's dynamic |
| 12:06.18 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 12:06.21 | antgel | hcy: you need to make sure that your ip settings are correct i.e. have been set up by dhcp |
| 12:06.36 | adsadsad | jm_: also completionports are not available under linux? |
| 12:06.41 | antgel | hcy: the router is eth0 (i assume it's ethernet) not ppp1 |
| 12:07.05 | echnaton | hi having problems with my touchpad and XFREE... do i need a package like synaptics ? |
| 12:07.08 | hcy | antgel: yes, ethernet |
| 12:07.29 | antgel | hcy: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:07.30 | Sup3rFly | need some help folks..... upgraded kernel and after the reboot i get this: VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or unknown-block(8,). Please append a correct "root=" boot option. Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,1) :( |
| 12:07.34 | jm_ | adsadsad: I am not familiar with those |
| 12:07.37 | Sup3rFly | how can i resolve this? |
| 12:07.40 | hcy | antgel: use the router |
| 12:07.42 | adsadsad | my favourite programming techniques are unavailable under linux, grrr |
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| 12:07.49 | antgel | hcy: grr. to do what? |
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| 12:07.58 | hcy | antgel: allow more than one computer to use the same internet connection |
| 12:08.29 | hcy | antgel: one computer will be a server and will stay on all the time. but browsing and stuff i'll do from others. |
| 12:08.35 | liable | echnaton: what laptop? |
| 12:08.42 | saloxin_ | Sup3rFly: rolled your own kernel? forgot support for ide chipset orso? |
| 12:08.53 | antgel | hcy: is your internet connection provided via ethernet? |
| 12:09.05 | hcy | antgel: yes i believe so |
| 12:09.07 | echnaton | Acer Travelmate 2350 |
| 12:09.14 | antgel | hcy: you believe so or it is? |
| 12:09.39 | hcy | antgel: i dunno, i'm dumb. I have a modem that connects to the wall, and then connects to my computer via the computer's LAN port |
| 12:09.40 | antgel | hcy: how does your internet connection plug into your router? |
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| 12:09.52 | Angel-SL | hey |
| 12:09.59 | Angel-SL | i got postFIx |
| 12:10.02 | Angel-SL | now what |
| 12:10.17 | cahoot | wait for mail |
| 12:10.20 | Sup3rFly | damn |
| 12:10.25 | Sup3rFly | i put in a prompt in lilo.conf |
| 12:10.31 | Sup3rFly | how come it isn't prompting me to load my old kernel? |
| 12:10.47 | cahoot | forgot to run lilo? |
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| 12:10.51 | saloxin_ | Sup3rFly: run lilo -v |
| 12:11.03 | Sup3rFly | hrm |
| 12:11.06 | antgel | hcy: google will de-dumb you (depending what you look for). lan => ethernet. should you not plug the modem connection into the router wan port and everything else into the lan ports? |
| 12:11.08 | Sup3rFly | i'll need to boot off the cd right? |
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| 12:11.32 | Angel-SL | fseek: i got Postfix..now what |
| 12:11.34 | saloxin_ | Sup3rFly: or press tab furiously when lilo loads - gives a prompt sometimes |
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| 12:11.37 | Angel-SL | !postfiX |
| 12:11.37 | dpkg | [postfix] a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
| 12:11.45 | Sup3rFly | ok |
| 12:12.05 | hcy | antgel: one second - wife's on the phone |
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| 12:13.59 | echnaton | no idea hcy |
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| 12:14.57 | echnaton | ? |
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| 12:16.42 | hcy | antgel: i'm back, sorry |
| 12:17.28 | hcy | antgel: ok the router has five plugs in the back that all fit the same kind of plug. one is separated from the other four - those four are to be connected to the computer(s) while the one is connected to the modem. |
| 12:17.31 | davi_ | I am playing with gentoo. But I do not like it due to there are a lot of packages which are older on gentoo-stable than on debian-stable-sarge. Anyway I would like to be able to install debian compiled and optimized to my hardware. Any hint, URL, advice, flame ? |
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| 12:18.10 | cahoot | davi_: use sarge you won't notice any speed decrease |
| 12:18.25 | saloxin_ | davi_: do some benchmarking and report :-) |
| 12:18.37 | adsadsad | ld-linux.so in which package is? |
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| 12:18.45 | greycat | in libc6 is |
| 12:18.55 | hcy | antgel: you still there? |
| 12:18.58 | antgel | hcy: did you just do that or is that how it was connected? |
| 12:19.03 | hcy | that's how it was |
| 12:19.15 | adsadsad | greycat: thank u is |
| 12:19.16 | adsadsad | :) |
| 12:19.16 | hcy | antgel: ^ |
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| 12:19.53 | antgel | hcy: but you say those four _are to be_ connected to the computers. does that mean they are not currently connected? |
| 12:19.53 | Loevborg | any idea why a debian apache2 (testing) doesn't serve any CGIs? I've double-checked all settings. |
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| 12:20.04 | NLoRD | I am looking for a guide to convert an avi file to DVD |
| 12:20.07 | NLoRD | can you help me? |
| 12:20.14 | hcy | antgel: one was connected to this computer when i was trying it out. |
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| 12:20.27 | antgel | hcy: and what did ifconfig report? |
| 12:20.52 | hcy | antgel: i didn't try ifconfig that way yet. okay hold on, i'll reconnect the router and save the ifconfig output and get back to you |
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| 12:21.07 | echnaton | iam using /dev/psaux but the mouse behaves crazy :) having a touchpad |
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| 12:21.14 | echnaton | why? |
| 12:21.17 | davi_ | thanks cahoot and saloxin_, but do think if I recompile it, I will not get quicker code ? ! |
| 12:21.25 | dimir | echnaton: kernel? |
| 12:21.30 | greycat | echnaton: perhaps the wrong protocol. PS/2 vs. ImPS/2 |
| 12:21.35 | Loevborg | echnaton, use a different mouse protocol |
| 12:21.41 | echnaton | which? |
| 12:21.44 | echnaton | using ImPS/2 |
| 12:21.51 | dimir | echnaton: which kernel? |
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| 12:22.16 | echnaton | standard debian 2.4.27 kernel |
| 12:22.26 | dimir | echnaton: OK then |
| 12:22.29 | Loevborg | echnaton, also, try /dev/input/mice or something instead |
| 12:22.44 | dimir | no, it's for 2.6 |
| 12:22.45 | echnaton | did not work /dev/input/mice |
| 12:22.48 | echnaton | yes |
| 12:22.55 | Sup3rFly | omg. not sure why i'm struggling here..... i'm booting off the rescue cd to fix my lilo issue... don't i just do a "mount -o rw /dev/sdb1"? |
| 12:23.13 | echnaton | what is the mouse protocol for touchpads? |
| 12:23.19 | dimir | Supaplex: and where do you mount it? |
| 12:23.26 | dimir | Sup3rFly I mean |
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| 12:23.38 | saloxin_ | davi_: benchmarks differ. speed perfomance is margnal, if any. http://funroll-loops.org/ for humour :-) |
| 12:23.45 | dimir | you gave a source to mount, where is destination poin/ |
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| 12:23.56 | snooo | help |
| 12:24.01 | snooo | my computer is seriously fucked |
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| 12:24.17 | Sup3rFly | hrm |
| 12:24.35 | snooo | i just had a power cut, i rebooted, fsck did a check, and now very little seems to be working |
| 12:24.35 | echnaton | PS/2 works fine :( |
| 12:24.36 | echnaton | :) |
| 12:24.44 | dimir | Sup3rFly: mount [options] <source> <destination> |
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| 12:24.57 | echnaton | what package is for powermangagment ? |
| 12:25.07 | snooo | gdm brings up a terminal everytime i try to boot into a window manager |
| 12:25.09 | dimir | Sup3rFly: so, example: mount -o rw /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 12:25.16 | snooo | with an error statement |
| 12:25.32 | snooo | irssi refuses to start because it has no permission to run perl scripts |
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| 12:25.43 | snooo | screen says it cant find availible PTYs |
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| 12:25.55 | snooo | its all very weird, and it was fine yesterday |
| 12:26.02 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 12:26.02 | dpkg | i guess unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 12:26.05 | dimir | echnaton: acpid? |
| 12:26.08 | greycat | this would be #2. |
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| 12:26.33 | echnaton | okay |
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| 12:26.51 | hcy_ | antgel: back... all i get in ifconfig is " inet6 addr: fe80::20b:dbff:fea3:3259/64 Scope:Link" |
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| 12:27.04 | hcy_ | and a bunch of other equally seeming unimportant stuff |
| 12:27.11 | Sup3rFly | ok thanks |
| 12:27.18 | snooo | so i'll need a reinstall, basically? |
| 12:27.33 | dimir | snooo: maybe just reinstall gnome |
| 12:27.33 | Sup3rFly | when i run "lilo", i get: /bin/sh: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version 'GLIBC_PRIVATE' not found (requred by /tar/get/lib/libc.so.6) |
| 12:27.37 | liable | weee, apci is fun with debian :) |
| 12:27.38 | Sup3rFly | ugh, why isn't this working like it should |
| 12:27.39 | Sup3rFly | lol |
| 12:28.01 | snooo | dimir: its worse than just gnome tho |
| 12:28.03 | antgel | hcy: what's the contents of /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:28.10 | snooo | :( |
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| 12:28.18 | dimir | liable: acpi? |
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| 12:28.31 | solid_liq | souporfly: did you compile lilo yourself? |
| 12:28.32 | liable | yes... |
| 12:28.39 | dimir | OK |
| 12:28.39 | echnaton | arg no apm support in kernel |
| 12:28.45 | cocozz | Hi, I get some errors when I compile my 2.6 kernel :S http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/?6049 |
| 12:28.52 | greycat | solid_liq: I'm guessing he's doing some weird chroot stuff |
| 12:28.53 | hcy_ | antgel: auto lo // iface lo inet loopback |
| 12:29.05 | antgel | hcy: is that the whole thing? |
| 12:29.07 | dimir | snooo: well, start from reinstall gdm, gnome |
| 12:29.13 | hcy_ | antgel: and a few comments |
| 12:29.16 | solid_liq | greycat: oh, good guess |
| 12:29.16 | liable | echnaton: debian kernel? |
| 12:29.19 | jm_ | cocco;which version of gcc are you using? |
| 12:29.21 | dimir | snooo: do you know how to reinstall a package? |
| 12:29.22 | solid_liq | you're probably right |
| 12:29.22 | davi_ | thanks saloxin_ |
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| 12:29.51 | solid_liq | dimir: --reinstall |
| 12:29.52 | Xenarchy_Work | which version of debian runs 2.6 kernal and 6.8 x.org? or would i just do a net install? |
| 12:29.54 | antgel | you need to configure eth0 with dhcp. man interfaces. after you edit the file, /etc/init.d/networking restart then try ifconfig again. |
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| 12:29.59 | antgel | hcy: ^ |
| 12:30.06 | snooo | solid_liq cheers |
| 12:30.14 | liable | echnaton: um, modprobe apm. |
| 12:30.14 | snooo | ok |
| 12:30.14 | hcy_ | antgel: i'm wondering, though... everytime i boot up i get a message about ppp_on_boot being deprecated or something. and if for some reason i get disconnected, i need to restart with "pon dsl-provider" -- maybe i need to run something for my debian to recognize the router? |
| 12:30.22 | cocozz | jm_, arg .... using sid reps an apt-get upgrade installed a dev. version of gcc -_- |
| 12:30.25 | dimir | solid_liq: I know, I was about to tell the guy how to do it :-) |
| 12:30.31 | cocozz | jm_, thanks for the tip hehe |
| 12:30.33 | antgel | hcy: do what you want |
| 12:30.37 | greycat | Xenarchy_Work: unstable |
| 12:30.37 | solid_liq | ;) |
| 12:30.47 | Xenarchy_Work | greycat, thank you. |
| 12:30.58 | antgel | hcy: i'm not au -fait with pppoe, but i can tell you how to connect to your router |
| 12:31.13 | antgel | hcy: add auto eth0 |
| 12:31.13 | antgel | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:31.16 | snooo | dimir: shall i just reinstall packages for any software that doesnt work, then? |
| 12:31.29 | hcy_ | antgel: thanks |
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| 12:31.33 | hcy_ | i'm trying that... |
| 12:31.45 | greycat | snooo: as a prelude to restoring your last full backup, sure. |
| 12:31.55 | dimir | snooo: what was the error msg? |
| 12:32.06 | greycat | more importantly, which file system broke this badly? |
| 12:32.28 | snooo | dimir: i'll get it now |
| 12:32.30 | liable | ricer! |
| 12:32.34 | snooo | greycat: ext2 |
| 12:32.49 | snooo | greycat: i have only one root partition that i use |
| 12:32.52 | dimir | less than 3 hours till weekend and counting! |
| 12:32.55 | hcy_ | antgel: should i run /etc/init.d/networking only with the router plugged in? 'cause i did it now, and it's trying to discover stuff... did i make a mistake not pluggin the router in first? |
| 12:32.59 | solid_liq | snooo: did you have a crash? |
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| 12:33.11 | greycat | 08:24 snooo> i just had a power cut, i rebooted, fsck did a check, and now |
| 12:33.28 | antgel | hcy_: not much of a big deal. i would plug the router in first, though |
| 12:33.32 | hcy_ | ok |
| 12:33.34 | snooo | solid_liq: yup |
| 12:33.44 | hcy_ | bbiab |
| 12:33.53 | antgel | hcy_: it's /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:33.53 | solid_liq | snooo: a journaled fs will help prevent that problem |
| 12:33.59 | snooo | dimir: "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal" |
| 12:34.06 | snooo | solid_liq: hmm |
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| 12:34.19 | snooo | can you convert a ext2 to an ext3 system? |
| 12:34.21 | solid_liq | snooo: ext3, reiserfs, jfs, xfs... |
| 12:34.25 | greycat | dpkg: ext2->ext3 |
| 12:34.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, ext2->ext3 is To upgrade an ext2 partition to ext3 simply involves adding a journal. 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition you want to change to ext3). Don't forget to change /etc/fstab to specify ext3 for the partition. Be sure to verify that your kernel has ext3 support (cat /proc/filesystems) |
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| 12:35.02 | DeadLine | how to unset /hilight "phrase" ? |
| 12:35.09 | DeadLine | how to unset /hilight "phrase" in irssi* ? |
| 12:35.16 | jm_ | try #irssi |
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| 12:35.40 | northbayrep | hey folks. i just started with linux, and i'm wondering where i should put my files.. |
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| 12:35.50 | Sup3rFly | wtf am i doing wrong gang.... i mounted /dev/sda1 to /target and ran lilo and get errors.. am i suppost to mount it differently? |
| 12:36.01 | solid_liq | northbayrep: in /home/username |
| 12:36.06 | DeadLine | northbayrep: /home/northbayer |
| 12:36.21 | solid_liq | where username, remarkably enough, is the username you chose for yourself |
| 12:36.27 | outlaw84 | northbayrep: in ~/ |
| 12:36.27 | northbayrep | hehe. |
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| 12:36.56 | solid_liq | yeah, ~/ is the easiest way to say that |
| 12:36.57 | northbayrep | anyone have experience using screem? |
| 12:37.10 | solid_liq | !screem |
| 12:37.10 | dpkg | screem is probably HOEREU !!! |
| 12:37.20 | northbayrep | !screem |
| 12:37.21 | dpkg | well, screem is HOEREU !!! |
| 12:37.28 | nsk | !screem |
| 12:37.37 | liable | STOPIT! |
| 12:37.40 | solid_liq | heheheh |
| 12:37.50 | solid_liq | !hoereu |
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| 12:37.59 | outlaw84 | !stop it |
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| 12:38.36 | outlaw84 | !topic |
| 12:38.36 | cocozz | jm_, gcc 3.3.6 is right ? |
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| 12:38.50 | northbayrep | anyway, i can't figure out how to download my whole site using screem. |
| 12:39.08 | solid_liq | !find screem |
| 12:39.14 | dpkg | screem: (A GNOME website development environment), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.14.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2232 kB, Installed size: 7560 kB |
| 12:39.15 | northbayrep | !find screem |
| 12:39.21 | liable | ffs |
| 12:39.24 | solid_liq | quit |
| 12:39.27 | zaikxtox | hello. i have searched google to find the right debian way to add static routes trough /etc/network/interfaces but there is no much. just one r two mails tothe mailing lists saying that some people uses a hand made script |
| 12:39.28 | solid_liq | once is enought |
| 12:39.44 | zaikxtox | someone here knows where in the debian docs is that point to read on for sarge? |
| 12:40.09 | liable | /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples.. |
| 12:40.09 | js_ | zaikxtox: did you check man interfaces? |
| 12:40.17 | saloxin_ | zaikxtox: add "up route add -host 10.0.0.20 eth1" to a stanza |
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| 12:40.47 | zaikxtox | saloxin_, i now will try to find what a stanza is :) |
| 12:40.52 | smhar | is it just my computer or google is not reachable |
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| 12:41.17 | liable | yes, google is offline. |
| 12:41.24 | zaikxtox | js_, yes, i have readed the manpage, but as it's not working as expected i searched google, and found no much useful data, so here i'm am |
| 12:41.33 | solid_liq | northbayrep: try using wget or curl to fetch them |
| 12:41.36 | saloxin_ | zaikxtox: heh, it's the blob of config below an interface name :-) |
| 12:42.06 | antgel | !stanza |
| 12:42.07 | zaikxtox | js_, the "man interfaces" talks muchabout the default route, which i don't need to change here |
| 12:42.17 | jm_ | cocozz: gcc 3.x should be OK |
| 12:42.32 | solid_liq | google is not offline |
| 12:42.37 | northbayrep | i already have screem, i just don't know how to get my site from the net using it. |
| 12:42.43 | jm_ | zaikt;keyword being "up" |
| 12:42.47 | jm_ | zaikxtox ^^^^^^ |
| 12:43.05 | saloxin_ | zaikxtox: example -> http://krutt.org/tmp/interfaces |
| 12:43.14 | solid_liq | northbayrep: try using wget or curl to fetch them |
| 12:43.25 | zaikxtox | jm_, mmmh... up... is just, toexecute any command |
| 12:43.29 | northbayrep | oh, you mean instead of screem. i see. thank you. |
| 12:43.32 | solid_liq | seriously, that's what those tools SPECIFICALLY are for |
| 12:43.40 | zaikxtox | thanks. i understand. |
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| 12:43.48 | northbayrep | thanks very much, talk to you later. |
| 12:43.50 | zaikxtox | thanks saloxin_ |
| 12:43.54 | solid_liq | yep |
| 12:43.57 | smhar | is it a schedualed offtime? strange |
| 12:43.57 | saloxin_ | zaikxtox: :) |
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| 12:44.33 | smhar | it is been on and off for two days now |
| 12:44.41 | liable | smhar: no, that was missed sarcasm.. sorry. it is your box.. |
| 12:45.23 | solid_liq | smhar: what country are you in? |
| 12:45.39 | smhar | bahrain |
| 12:45.58 | smhar | strange.. why would I have problems with google while other sites are ok |
| 12:45.58 | solid_liq | your box or your country's internet connection perhaps |
| 12:46.28 | solid_liq | maybe bahrain is working on some censorship bs |
| 12:47.23 | solid_liq | !bahrain |
| 12:47.35 | smhar | solid_liq, oh no.. I hope not |
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| 12:47.59 | solid_liq | smhar: what kind of government do you have? |
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| 12:49.08 | smhar | the worse type.. where some one comes to power only after someone is tired of it to 'death' :-) |
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| 12:49.27 | outlaw84 | I binary file begining with PK is a windows excuteable isn't it? |
| 12:49.34 | jetx | heh. dictatorship humor |
| 12:49.48 | drac | outlaw84: file it |
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| 12:49.58 | petykoo | hi |
| 12:50.24 | outlaw84 | drac: what? |
| 12:50.31 | drac | outlaw84: file <file> :) |
| 12:50.32 | jetx | man file |
| 12:50.37 | antgel | hmm. have just set option domain-name "wayforth.local"; in dhcpd.conf. restarted dhcp. restarted networking on workstation, but hostname --fqdn shows john.wayforth.co.uk, not john.wayforth.local. any ideas? |
| 12:50.54 | petykoo | what do you think: if i tried with 3 different install cds, and i couldn't set up my network, so i couldn't install the system |
| 12:50.56 | trc | i am inserting a multicard into a usb port (sarge, 2.6), but kern.log and dmesg are mute about it |
| 12:50.58 | outlaw84 | wow yet another cool command :D |
| 12:50.59 | petykoo | can i give up now ?:) |
| 12:51.25 | trc | i suspect hal, hald are somewhat involved, but im not sure |
| 12:51.39 | saloxin_ | petykoo: broken network card or cable? |
| 12:51.51 | petykoo | i'm on the same machine, but on a gentoo box :) |
| 12:51.53 | outlaw84 | who has that dude that couldn't access google? |
| 12:52.07 | smhar | i just gave ISP a call and they confirmed it is a problem in their end.. google and someother sites.. they don't know yet what is the cause |
| 12:52.08 | saloxin_ | petykoo: heh. you may give up now :-) |
| 12:52.12 | petykoo | :) |
| 12:52.14 | petykoo | ok |
| 12:52.19 | petykoo | try again later |
| 12:52.46 | petykoo | i tried with sarge netinst, etch netist, and etch businesscard |
| 12:52.49 | outlaw84 | smhar: have you tried connection via a proxy? |
| 12:52.49 | solid_liq | smhar: ah, ok... google'd your country, sounds pretty cool. 33 islands, wow |
| 12:53.04 | antgel | ok, that was a lie. |
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| 12:53.37 | smhar | solid_liq, yah mostly 'owned' by members of the rulling family |
| 12:53.39 | hcy | antgel: it appears to work now :) thanks so much |
| 12:53.46 | smhar | outlaw84, no never tried that |
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| 12:53.53 | solid_liq | smhar: that sux |
| 12:54.16 | antgel | wrong box. actually hostname --fqdn returns localhost.localdomain. wtf? this is defined in /etc/hosts. why does it ignore the dhcp server settings? |
| 12:54.20 | DeadLine | anyone in here using 'nemesis'? |
| 12:54.22 | outlaw84 | smhar: then try it |
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| 12:54.24 | smhar | solex, as well as the majority part of the 'sea' too.. nowthat sux |
| 12:54.28 | antgel | hcy: np, now solve my problem ;) |
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| 12:54.50 | hcy | antgel: i wish i could - what's yours? |
| 12:54.53 | xerophyte | with gpg how can you export private key |
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| 12:55.02 | antgel | hcy: ^ |
| 12:55.05 | smhar | solid_liq, as well as the majority part of the 'sea' too.. nowthat sux |
| 12:55.05 | solid_liq | smhar: wow, I can't even comprehend that. I live in the US, so I've never experienced something like that |
| 12:55.17 | outlaw84 | smhar: http://www.proxy4free.com/page1.html <-- there are some proxy servers you can use |
| 12:55.29 | smhar | outlaw84, thank you |
| 12:55.49 | hcy | antgel: no idea, i'm afraid :( |
| 12:55.56 | solid_liq | outlaw84: oh, cool site |
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| 12:56.12 | outlaw84 | solid_liq: first hit on free proxy @ google ;) |
| 12:56.16 | smhar | solid_liq, check www.vob.org |
| 12:56.21 | solid_liq | k |
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| 12:56.47 | smhar | outlaw84, if you have access to google :-) |
| 12:56.49 | petykoo | hmm... i could try with an ubuntu cd is it is already downloaded... |
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| 12:57.08 | outlaw84 | smhar: using a proxy you should be able to :) |
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| 12:57.16 | petykoo | and update to sid, then:) |
| 12:57.26 | smhar | it is been a really long time since I used something other than google |
| 12:57.42 | outlaw84 | being that you didn't. I supplied you with the link... now just set your browser to use one of those proxyes |
| 12:57.49 | smhar | outlaw84, I am checking the list site right now |
| 12:58.53 | outlaw84 | smhar: keep in mind that you shouldn't enter any passwords while connected to a proxy :) and they migth not all work |
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| 12:59.13 | solid_liq | smhar: well good luck with attaining freedom |
| 12:59.33 | tarzeau | any hints on http://groups.google.com/group/fa.linux.kernel/browse_frm/thread/805698916f7ba410/975ff52280391045?hl=en#975ff52280391045 |
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| 13:01.35 | smhar | solid_liq, outlaw84, I've got a hosting with shell access through ssh.. can I use it as a tunnel for browsing? |
| 13:02.15 | solid_liq | smhar: you could use lynx, links, elinks or similar to browse (text only) through it |
| 13:03.46 | smhar | outlaw84, ok the one from brazil is working.. but very slow |
| 13:03.46 | greycat | smhar: you can try. |
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| 13:06.33 | outlaw84 | smhar: slow google is better then no google ;) |
| 13:06.39 | Sup3rFly | if i make changes to my kernel via menuconfig, do i need to do the 'make-kpkg kernel-image' again and use dpkg to install my .deb file? |
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| 13:07.17 | smhar | outlaw84, true. and I hope it will be for a short time only.. thank you |
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| 13:08.22 | Digitalkman | Hola |
| 13:08.27 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 13:08.31 | CapoeiraB | I've looked all over to the answer as to why evolution dies, I can't find anything. Is the testing package for evolution just dead? |
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| 13:08.37 | ABRAXAS77 | hello |
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| 13:08.45 | ABRAXAS77 | Thank you very much for your time and for all you may do. its good? |
| 13:08.54 | ABRAXAS77 | i mean, the language |
| 13:08.56 | ABRAXAS77 | hello arafat |
| 13:08.58 | ABRAXAS77 | :-) |
| 13:09.06 | Digitalkman | cual es el canal para espa๑ol? |
| 13:09.11 | equex | is aRtsd something running on top of ALSA? |
| 13:09.16 | ABRAXAS77 | digitalfox|sleep, debian-es |
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| 13:09.57 | greycat | equex: runs on top of kde |
| 13:10.01 | greycat | !es |
| 13:10.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:10.26 | erommer | for some reason i have to be root to compile a java program, is there a way to change this so any user can compile programs? |
| 13:10.27 | outlaw84 | smhar: yea well proxyes are good for more then when you get kicked :P |
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| 13:11.01 | greycat | erommer: ask #java |
| 13:11.04 | antgel | erommer: yes, sort out the permissions |
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| 13:11.17 | parityflag | hi.. |
| 13:12.00 | parityflag | I'd like to have the 2.6.13-rc5-mm kernel.... I have downloaded this patch. |
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| 13:12.08 | parityflag | What do I need to patch against? |
| 13:12.08 | greycat | parityflag: ask ##linux |
| 13:12.11 | ricky_clarkson | How does tightvnc decide how big a 'display' to create? |
| 13:12.14 | shevek | Aptitude keeps trying to deinstall gnome (and many other things). I'm assuming this is because of the C++ ABI transition. Is there anything I can do to let my system at least update the other things? Or should I just wait until things are installable again? |
| 13:12.14 | parityflag | ok.. |
| 13:12.22 | greycat | doesn't the patch tell you? |
| 13:12.35 | erommer | antgel: how do i do that> |
| 13:12.54 | antgel | erommer: you using javac? |
| 13:13.00 | erommer | yea |
| 13:13.03 | parityflag | greycat: I dont think so. |
| 13:13.27 | shevek | ricky_clarkson: The server? With commandline options, I suppose. Doesn't --help say something about it? |
| 13:13.48 | parityflag | greycat: I tried with 2.6.12, but there are a lot of "hunk failed" error |
| 13:13.54 | antgel | erommer: ls -l on javac please |
| 13:14.28 | ricky_clarkson | shevek: Yeah, you're right. |
| 13:14.44 | ricky_clarkson | And what does the tightvncviewer do if the desktop you view is bigger than the tightvnc window? |
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| 13:15.15 | daxxar | Hm |
| 13:15.26 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: lets you scroll arround ... |
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| 13:15.31 | daxxar | Still scary to upgrade unstable boxes? |
| 13:15.32 | shevek | ricky_clarkson: The viewer just creates a window of the right size. If it doesn't fit, they you'll have to scroll |
| 13:15.44 | ricky_clarkson | Brilliant. |
| 13:15.51 | greycat | nash: why in the HELL did you ask me that question in /msg? |
| 13:15.51 | antgel | daxxar: why not just upgrade the packages you need |
| 13:16.02 | erommer | antgel: i dunno what you mean sorry |
| 13:16.14 | ricky_clarkson | And one more thing - is using VNC to connect to the same machine you're running on a very stupid idea? ;) |
| 13:16.20 | jm_ | yes |
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| 13:16.29 | shevek | ricky_clarkson: No, not at all |
| 13:16.33 | antgel | erommer: if you can't do an ls -l, i fear you need to get a good book on *nix |
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| 13:16.47 | shevek | ricky_clarkson: It allows you to go somewhere else and take over the session |
| 13:16.50 | daxxar | antgel, but which ones are scary? gcc-ones? |
| 13:17.03 | antgel | shevek: good point |
| 13:17.03 | erommer | antgel: i don't know what you mean by '..on javac' |
| 13:17.11 | shevek | ricky_clarkson: Then again, you could as well use x0rfbserver for that :-) |
| 13:17.13 | jm_ | you can do that with X and rfb too |
| 13:17.15 | jm_ | yeah |
| 13:17.16 | liraz | I'm trying to compile a kernel module. I have followed all the instructions at http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/. I have installed all the neccesary kernel headers but my compiled module is always using the kernel 2.6.10 headers and in the /lib/modules/2.6.10/extra. This is not the kernel I'm using - I'm using 2.6.10-5-686-smp |
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| 13:17.26 | antgel | erommer: wherever javac is e.g. ls -l /usr/local/bin/javac |
| 13:17.26 | ricky_clarkson | !x0rfbserver |
| 13:17.32 | ricky_clarkson | !info x0rfbserver |
| 13:17.38 | liraz | Is there a way to force a module to compile against, lets say 2.6.10-i686-smp? |
| 13:17.43 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: search for rfb with apt-cache |
| 13:17.46 | greycat | yes, install the headers |
| 13:17.51 | greycat | for that specific kernel |
| 13:18.01 | antgel | i've never liked it that vnc on linux means a whole new x session |
| 13:18.19 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Does that differ from x11vnc in any significant way? |
| 13:18.25 | YaleR | antgel: freenx at least allows you to close it, and reopen the same session |
| 13:18.28 | bush | anybody able to recommend a good CLI-only torrent client? |
| 13:18.32 | YaleR | it's also much quicker. |
| 13:18.44 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: apt-cache show rfb |
| 13:19.05 | greycat | bush: all the good ones are curses based, run them in screen. |
| 13:19.10 | jm_ | bush: CLI only or terminal based ones? |
| 13:19.11 | erommer | antgel: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2005-08-11 08:12 /usr/bin/javac |
| 13:19.14 | bush | greycat: such as? |
| 13:19.14 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: That doesn't answer my question - as it seems that x11vnc does the same. |
| 13:19.24 | greycat | bush: rtorrent, bittornado, bittorrent |
| 13:19.27 | greycat | in that order |
| 13:19.40 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: ahh I thought that was refering to vncserver |
| 13:19.49 | jm_ | bush: there's also rtorrent in testing/sid |
| 13:19.52 | outlaw84 | what is "CLI-only" ? |
| 13:19.52 | bush | i installed bittorrent and bittornado but neither works in screen |
| 13:19.59 | bush | outlaw84: i meant terminal based |
| 13:20.00 | jm_ | I prefer it over the rest |
| 13:20.04 | greycat | bush: liar. btlaunchmanycurses |
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| 13:20.06 | antgel | erommer: what's it linked to? |
| 13:20.12 | ricky_clarkson | outlaw84: Non-interactive. |
| 13:20.19 | erommer | ./etc/alternatives/javac |
| 13:20.38 | antgel | erommer: keep going. |
| 13:20.52 | erommer | /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun/bin/javac |
| 13:20.55 | shevek | ricky_clarkson: They seem to do the same, indeed |
| 13:21.00 | antgel | erommer: ls -l on that? |
| 13:21.09 | outlaw84 | bush: btdownloadcurse |
| 13:21.15 | erommer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 66156 2005-07-26 16:45 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun/bin/javac |
| 13:21.17 | greycat | he'll probably need to check the directories too |
| 13:21.20 | outlaw84 | bush: btdownloadcurses |
| 13:21.29 | greycat | btlaunchmanycurses is better. |
| 13:21.30 | antgel | erommer: can you run that as normal user? |
| 13:21.40 | greycat | !using bittorrent |
| 13:21.41 | dpkg | apt-get install bittorrent; cd /somewhere/big; wget _torrentURL_; btlaunchmanycurses . |
| 13:21.54 | ricky_clarkson | I'm expecting a power cut tomorrow morning when I'm not in my office, and I want my computer to start up again afterwards. |
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| 13:22.13 | erommer | i can run ls -l as normal |
| 13:22.13 | outlaw84 | greycat: sure sound better :) |
| 13:22.16 | ricky_clarkson | Currently it doesn't even power up automatically after a power cut. Any suggestions? |
| 13:22.21 | liraz | greycat, I have, 2.6.10-i686-smp are installed. but it seems to default to installing modules in 2.6.10 /lib/modules/2.6.10 though /lib/modules/2.6.10-i686-smp exists |
| 13:22.24 | greycat | erommer: ls -ld on the dirs. |
| 13:22.28 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: some machines have a setting for this in BIOS |
| 13:22.31 | antgel | erommer: can you run /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun/bin/javac as normal user |
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| 13:22.42 | greycat | liraz: make it use the proper headers when it compiles. |
| 13:22.46 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: I don't suppose I could see or affect that remotely? |
| 13:22.53 | greycat | liraz: vi Makefile or whatever it takes. RTFS. |
| 13:22.57 | erommer | i can |
| 13:23.06 | drac | Can you install Debian from inside another Linux distro to different partition? |
| 13:23.15 | antgel | erommer: post the error to #flood |
| 13:23.20 | ricky_clarkson | drac: debootstrap |
| 13:23.39 | drac | Ah, sounds familiar. Reading more about it. Thanks. |
| 13:23.56 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: hmm probably not, there's also a tool that lets you set "alarm" and it powers on at that time, but this is not too common |
| 13:23.59 | ricky_clarkson | drac: I expect the normal installation wouldn't care what other Linuxes you have. |
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| 13:24.28 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: On EPOC machines (PalmOS) the equivalent to at(1) works when the machine is off. |
| 13:24.36 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: very nice |
| 13:24.38 | antgel | erommer: it's the permissions of the directory where it wants to output to. |
| 13:24.38 | erommer | antgel: done |
| 13:24.40 | ricky_clarkson | Oh yeah. |
| 13:24.45 | antgel | erommer: ^ |
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| 13:24.56 | erommer | hmm ok |
| 13:25.06 | outlaw84 | I was trying to back-up /dev/hda6 with dd_rescue but it stops a 2.0GB saying that the file is to large I tried with -f but still the same. Any other back-tools? |
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| 13:25.20 | erommer | but it is in a dir under the users home dir |
| 13:25.37 | petykoo | will it work if i install an ubuntu server, then upgrade to deb sid ? |
| 13:25.38 | antgel | erommer: can you touch any files in there? |
| 13:25.39 | jm_ | outlaw84: what version of Debian and what file system did you write it to? |
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| 13:26.13 | outlaw84 | jm_ debian SID and over smbfs to another debian sid |
| 13:26.17 | erommer | i edit the file on a windows computer thru samba, i can edit and save it (the .java file) |
| 13:26.21 | jm_ | outlaw84: ahh try using cifs instead |
| 13:26.43 | outlaw84 | jm_: you think/know its the smbfs fault? |
| 13:26.50 | mazingaro | hi |
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| 13:26.58 | antgel | erommer: can you touch any files in that directory? |
| 13:26.59 | mazingaro | is anyone using tclspice??? |
| 13:26.59 | jm_ | outlaw84: yes |
| 13:27.09 | dabaR | !anyone use |
| 13:27.09 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:27.13 | tralala | mazingaro: are you taking a poll? |
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| 13:27.39 | erommer | antgel: i can edit and save files if thats what you mean by touch |
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| 13:27.47 | jm_ | outlaw84: or use smbclient, I think that works fine too |
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| 13:28.02 | antgel | erommer: no, i mean touch. man touch, but doesn't matter. ls -ld on the directory where the files are? |
| 13:28.20 | erommer | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-08-12 07:18 . |
| 13:28.25 | raebis | high |
| 13:28.26 | raebis | :) |
| 13:28.58 | greycat | erommer: and on each parent directory. |
| 13:29.12 | erommer | drwxr-xr-x 3 hayden hayden 4096 2005-08-11 14:04 . |
| 13:29.27 | outlaw84 | jm_: so I should mount with -t cifs instead of -t smbfs? |
| 13:29.34 | greycat | user "hayden" will not be able to write to the one that's owned by root:root with 755 |
| 13:29.47 | greycat | !wikifaq erommer Permissions |
| 13:29.49 | dpkg | erommer: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:29.51 | jm_ | outlaw84: yup, if your kernel supports it, alternatively use smbclient |
| 13:30.18 | antgel | erommer: i'm confused as to how you can edit and save files in there as a normal user. |
| 13:30.19 | dabaR | raebis: ... |
| 13:30.26 | erommer | yea |
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| 13:30.50 | outlaw84 | jm_: Do I need to do anything on the debian sid that has got the smb share? |
| 13:31.00 | raebis | proftpd question: i have a symlink to a /var/www in the ftp root, and "showsimlink on" in proftpd.conf ... yet the virt folder does not show up in the ftp client |
| 13:31.40 | jm_ | outlaw84: to be honest I don't know, I haven't used it that way yet |
| 13:31.42 | greycat | perhaps it's chrooted. |
| 13:32.36 | mazingaro | tralala: no I'm looking for help |
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| 13:33.05 | tralala | mazingaro: ask your question then otherwise it's unlikely that you will get some |
| 13:33.39 | mazingaro | tralala: it is not related to debian is a bit outtopic |
| 13:34.01 | antgel | !tell mazingaro about ask |
| 13:34.06 | petykoo | can some1 paste me a sources.list ? |
| 13:34.29 | aeronadix | petykoo, GOTO #FLOOD |
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| 13:34.51 | postel | deb http://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 13:34.51 | postel | deb-src http://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 13:34.52 | petykoo | i'm there |
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| 13:34.55 | postel | thats it |
| 13:34.57 | petykoo | thanks |
| 13:35.03 | tralala | mazingaro: just ask it |
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| 13:35.22 | lightboy | sauda็oes a todos |
| 13:35.27 | detzli | whats the right place to install your own stuff in debian? |
| 13:35.28 | mazingaro | ok |
| 13:35.37 | detzli | /usr/local/ or /usr/local/lib/ ? |
| 13:35.42 | antgel | detzli: /usr/local |
| 13:35.54 | lightboy | s |
| 13:36.22 | tralala | detzli: there isn't a *single* right place, but I guess /usr/local is the closest guess |
| 13:36.23 | x-Al1gma | Hi, I would like to boot straight into X without having to log in. I already have gdm going, but it asks for login details. I want to provide defaults. Does anyone know how I can do this? |
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| 13:36.35 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 13:36.36 | mazingaro | I need hints on tclspice usage: I've done a circuit with a simply non inverting unity gain opamp and sinusoidal voltage input. But tran simulation is completly wrong... |
| 13:36.51 | detzli | tralala, antgel, i heard that the "official debian place" is /usr/local/lib/, but thats wrong then? |
| 13:36.59 | humbolt | how can I set a ENV var for Apache? |
| 13:37.23 | antgel | detzli: ^ |
| 13:37.56 | Paranoid__ | x-Al1gma i know that with kdm there can you make an user to auto login... |
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| 13:38.26 | erommer | if u rm a file does it move to a recycle bin sorta place or is it gone for good? |
| 13:38.34 | wombachi | detzli: local stuff should be installed under /usr/local, to stay away from package management. |
| 13:38.39 | x-Al1gma | Thanks Paranoid^, Didn't know it would be a feature of one of those *dms, thought it would be something different. Time for me to go read some docs :D Cheers buddy. |
| 13:38.39 | erommer | i only have command line no gui |
| 13:38.53 | humbolt | I put it in /etc/environment and I did export VAR=whatever, but it looks like it is still not aware of VAR. |
| 13:38.59 | antgel | erommer: gone |
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| 13:39.09 | erommer | antgel: ok just checking |
| 13:39.11 | aeronadix | erommer, It gone as far as I know, there are some high tech ways to recover it though |
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| 13:39.40 | aeronadix | erommer, cause only the inodes for the files are deleted not the data itself |
| 13:39.55 | wombachi | detzli: ex installing/patching something in /usr/bin and dpkg can override it on the next update/upgrade |
| 13:39.59 | Paranoid^ | x-Al1gma no problem.. i did find it with an lot of luck... i was looking over the kdm setup and there was an auto logon... i did use the control panel in kde to edit the logon settings.. .:D |
| 13:40.07 | erommer | aeronadix: ya |
| 13:40.20 | x-Al1gma | awesome, thanks again Paranoid^ |
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| 13:40.36 | Paranoid^ | x-Al1gma anytime.. :D |
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| 13:40.46 | ma3x | hi |
| 13:40.48 | ma3x | how can i load drivers for my USR wireless? |
| 13:40.52 | ma3x | !tell me about wireless |
| 13:41.04 | detzli | wombachi, i know.. and i know /usr/local/ seems to be the most common place but at work all the machines have custom stuff ni /usr/local/lib/ and when i asked someone about it he said it was a debian thing :P |
| 13:41.09 | lightboy | ping |
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| 13:41.29 | Paranoid^ | ma3x have you tryede ndiswrapper to it.. :D |
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| 13:41.58 | LSorensen | ma3x: what use wireless? |
| 13:42.07 | LSorensen | ma3x: which usr model? |
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| 13:42.12 | LSorensen | ma3x: what chipset does it use? |
| 13:42.20 | ma3x | LSorense_, Model 5410 |
| 13:42.31 | ma3x | how do i see the chipset? |
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| 13:42.34 | LSorensen | ma3x: and do you often buy hardware without first finding out what it is? |
| 13:42.46 | ma3x | I just bought it |
| 13:42.49 | LSorensen | ma3x: that's like buying a car because you like the shape and colour |
| 13:42.53 | ma3x | and the men told me it will be easy to find drivers |
| 13:43.01 | ma3x | and that the card is almost exactly the same as D-link |
| 13:43.04 | LSorensen | ma3x: and having no idea if it's manual or automatic, and what kind of engine it has |
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| 13:43.14 | greycat | !pal ma3x |
| 13:43.24 | LSorensen | ma3x: you belived something a person in a store told you? what do they know? |
| 13:43.25 | ma3x | don't laugh help please |
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| 13:43.40 | Paranoid^ | LSorensen you know that if we only did bye hardware that has native linux support then oure computers will be pritty small... looool... |
| 13:43.47 | LSorensen | ma3x: some people thinkg that all cards with the same specifications are the same |
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| 13:44.02 | humbolt | How can I set an environment VAR for APACHE? |
| 13:44.04 | LSorensen | Paranoid^: there is plenty of high end hardware with linux support. |
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| 13:44.10 | ma3x | LSorense_, so what do i do now? |
| 13:44.12 | LSorensen | Paranoid^: might as well support them |
| 13:44.17 | LSorensen | ma3x: time to find out the chipset. |
| 13:44.20 | wombachi | detzli: not specific to Debian. Other distros package managers dont touch things in /usr/local. |
| 13:44.23 | LSorensen | ma3x: is it pcmcia or pci? |
| 13:44.28 | ma3x | pcmcia |
| 13:44.30 | wombachi | detzli: see FHS : http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRLOCALLOCALHIERARCHY |
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| 13:44.55 | aeronadix | LSorense_, name some of the high end hardware you mentioned? |
| 13:45.22 | greycat | humbolt: vi /etc/init.d/apache |
| 13:45.30 | raebis | how would i add "mount --bind olddir newdir" to fstab and allow all users access ? |
| 13:45.38 | aeronadix | wombachi, only debian uses /usr/local? |
| 13:45.38 | Paranoid^ | LSorensen i know... i just from time to time wish that there was more with native drivers... all the wireless i did try from topcom i cant get to work, and in times like that i do wish that they want to make some de?ivers... :D that is all... |
| 13:45.48 | jm_ | raebis: use bind under options |
| 13:46.04 | greycat | if bind doesn't have an -o form, you can't. use a script instead. |
| 13:46.12 | Paranoid^ | and i did try so much that i did mess my system totaly up... |
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| 13:46.23 | raebis | greycat mount -o bind olddir newddir |
| 13:46.28 | raebis | will also work |
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| 13:46.37 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, I haven't got wireless working either, I tried a couple days, the next time I try I will try by rebuilding a kernel, cause I think it is necessary although many will argue otherwise |
| 13:46.41 | xtream | someone knows why when i try to install my customized kernel i get the following errors "unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/..." + mymodules... could u help me ? |
| 13:46.50 | raebis | so just drop bind under options in fstab, bind,rw,user |
| 13:46.56 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 13:46.56 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 13:47.03 | ma3x | LSorense_, how do i find out the chipset? |
| 13:47.04 | humbolt | greycat: no less intrusive way? Can't I make apache aware of this ENV using /etc/environment somehow? |
| 13:47.11 | greycat | humbolt: no! |
| 13:47.16 | greycat | !wikifaq humbolt DotFiles |
| 13:47.16 | aeronadix | xtream, I think you have to do update modules or something like that, someone here told me |
| 13:47.17 | dpkg | humbolt: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:47.20 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix that is what i did end up douing... and now i cant start my x, or install my gfx drivers... |
| 13:47.27 | xtream | greycat: i made it with make-kpkg |
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| 13:48.05 | mihaly | how do you mount an ftp locally |
| 13:48.10 | LSorensen | ma3x: oh dear. it's a TI chipset. That's one of the least open source friendly companies around. Well try this out: http://acx100.sourceforge.net |
| 13:48.15 | nvz | AHHHHH!! AAAAHH!! just had a huge spider land on my head |
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| 13:48.24 | nvz | fucker |
| 13:48.32 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, so, can't you go back to your previous kernel? Thats why I haven't done it yet, cause I don't want to get stuck like that but it should be easy to boot into different kernels, and configuring X for any kernel is easy too, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xorg |
| 13:48.32 | xtream | greycat so you think that recompile the kernel is not necessary ? |
| 13:48.34 | ma3x | LSorense_, how did you find out the chipset? |
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| 13:48.35 | LSorensen | ma3x: something rl2500 based would be simpler. It has open source drivers |
| 13:48.39 | LSorensen | ma3x: google |
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| 13:49.08 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, you have to reinstall X for the new kernel too, if you didn't do that |
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| 13:49.14 | LSorensen | ma3x: of course USR claims it has linux support because you can buy driverloader and use the windows driver with that. idiots |
| 13:49.17 | greycat | xtream: clearly you've done something wrong. not least of which is giving a vague approximation of the error message instead of quoting it verbatim. |
| 13:49.21 | Digitalkman | Hola |
| 13:49.28 | nvz | felt something smack my head and flicked it off, and moments later seen the huge spider on my desk.. thats not cool |
| 13:49.43 | mwilson | Where did you get the idea that you had to configure X for a particular kernel? |
| 13:49.48 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix nope, that did an f**k up also... i am stuck no matter what i do, so i am starting to reinstall today... :( |
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| 13:50.01 | aeronadix | nvs, spider are good luck, it means you are good man, as apposed to flies |
| 13:50.02 | greycat | mwilson: the mouse maybe. |
| 13:50.20 | Digitalkman | hoy puede que llueva |
| 13:50.24 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix i did try all.. i have even tryede to remove all that i dont need inc. x kde and gnome and nothing works.. |
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| 13:50.36 | ma3x | LSorense_, you mean like linux driverloader for windows drivers? |
| 13:50.39 | nvz | aeronadix: what culture are you from that spiders are good luck? |
| 13:50.41 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, you have to read the man on lilo or grub, booting different kernel is an easy fix |
| 13:50.44 | nvz | who knows I might get paid today |
| 13:50.51 | Paranoid^ | i did make it start kde up one time and then i did an reboot to make sure that it did work and then it was back to no x... |
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| 13:51.03 | aeronadix | nvs, Of the holy books, old testament, new testament |
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| 13:51.10 | Digitalkman | hispano |
| 13:51.21 | greycat | !es |
| 13:51.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:51.30 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix at the moment with all the stuff i did try yesterday i am more happy with an clean install.. :D |
| 13:51.35 | aeronadix | nvs, for you spiders are bad luck and flies are good luck eh, lord of the flies, the world is a jungle |
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| 13:51.40 | ma3x | LSorense_, http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/ |
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| 13:51.47 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, I hear ya, I have been there |
| 13:51.59 | xtream | greycat when i try to install it just show this message, and in the end it says "Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated (2.0)" |
| 13:52.15 | xtream | greycat do u have some idea of what can i do ? |
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| 13:52.25 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix :D and then i get an chance to try the usb installer way.. :D cant wait.. :D |
| 13:52.27 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, but eventually in you linux life you will want to never resort to reinstalling again, thats for the windows world, linux systems you should have to |
| 13:52.31 | ma3x | LSorense_, whats the problem if i use that driverloader? |
| 13:52.33 | greycat | xtream: did you recompile the SAME VERSION of the kernel you were running before? |
| 13:52.42 | xtream | greycat kernel 2.6 don't need to compile modules, am i right? |
| 13:52.46 | greycat | xtream: if so, you probably have leftover modules from the PREVIOUS build which is going to fuck things up. |
| 13:52.49 | xtream | greycat no |
| 13:52.51 | greycat | xtream: WHAT? |
| 13:52.54 | silbhe2 | hi! has someone allready been participating to debian developpement (package adoption...). I'd like to begin in it. Have you some advises? |
| 13:52.55 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, shouldn't have to I mean, but I am still in your shoes too |
| 13:53.13 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix i know.. and all that i did yesterday did show me what i dont want to do next time.. :D |
| 13:53.13 | xtream | greycat i recompiled my kernel with kernel-package |
| 13:53.27 | greycat | *re*compiled? |
| 13:53.48 | xtream | greycat compiled, sorry |
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| 13:53.53 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, it should be as easy as adding the stanza in Lilo's file, you know, /init.d or something |
| 13:54.02 | greycat | what the hell does "xtream> greycat kernel 2.6 don't need to compile modules, am i right?" mean? |
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| 13:54.13 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix i dont know what did went wrong... i did an kernel upgrade and then did an dist-upgrade after booting in the new kernel and nothing x works.. lol.. |
| 13:54.25 | xtream | greycat to do the "make modules" |
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| 13:55.02 | greycat | you don't type "make modules" if you are using make-kpkg. |
| 13:55.10 | greycat | make-kpkg does that FOR you. |
| 13:55.12 | mbuf | hi, how do i remove the "Computer, Wastebasket" in the desktop (debian sarge 3.1) |
| 13:55.20 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix i dont know... havent been looking in my grub cfg... |
| 13:55.21 | greycat | in which desktop? |
| 13:55.24 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, but you have to reinstall all software when you have a new kernel, so dist-upgrade wouldn't upgrade nothing I wouldn't think, accept for you kernel and minimal software which is just installed so nothiing to upgrade |
| 13:55.25 | mbuf | gnome |
| 13:55.26 | greycat | sounds GNOMEish or KDEish. |
| 13:55.49 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, yeah its a little challenging, but once you've learned it you know forever right |
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| 13:56.47 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix that will be an first.. i know that i have to upgrade all drivers but not my software... |
| 13:56.50 | xtream | greycat in first i was trying to install the .deb that i've have already done in other machine, but i got this error, so i removed the created directory and downloaded the kernel, made the config again and make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 13:56.56 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix i know.. :D |
| 13:57.04 | xtream | greycat what i did wrong ? |
| 13:57.28 | greycat | !details |
| 13:57.29 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 13:57.34 | greycat | "i got this error" |
| 13:57.38 | greycat | My god. please make the pain stop. |
| 13:57.43 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, i have never upgraded drivers |
| 13:57.58 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, thats what the kernel is, drivers |
| 13:58.02 | greycat | !debian kernel image |
| 13:58.02 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 13:58.07 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix this time i will install the system, install my vmware, and then install an linux in that to test the drivers cfg on.. :D |
| 13:58.16 | takatumi | aeronadix: you don't have to reinstall all the software after a kernel upgrade, except for third party modules. |
| 13:58.40 | xtream | greycat ok, thanks for all the bullshit help that u gave to me ;) |
| 13:58.49 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix that i know.. :D i do also mean my gfx drivers ans them that arent in the kernel from start.... |
| 13:58.50 | xtream | greycat i will fix it myself, again |
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| 13:58.59 | aeronadix | takatumi, If you have a new kernel, everything is new, so you have to reinstall everything |
| 13:59.09 | takatumi | Paranoid^: to fix your X, read the logs in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or xorg, check for EE, you do not have to do a full reinstall. |
| 13:59.18 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, I don't know about cfg and vmware, what are those |
| 13:59.24 | takatumi | aeronadix: bull shit. |
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| 13:59.54 | Paranoid^ | takatumi been there and there is no EE in my xfree86.0.log... x works just fine it is kde/gnome that di crash.. |
| 14:00.20 | ma3x | LSorense_, why do i have to pay for driverloader? |
| 14:00.32 | ma3x | they offer it for free |
| 14:00.37 | aeronadix | takatumi, ok, lol, I guess a new kernel can you software from the previous kernel, I don't think so, I don't have too much experience but when I reinstalled a kernel I have to reinstall everything again, even the base system |
| 14:00.44 | Bombo | hi i installed a fresh sarge and i now want to install apt-file, so i did "apt-get install apt-file" and apt-file update to get the latest packages, first it loads http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/Contents-i386.gz 100%, but then: http://security.debian.org//dists/sarge/updates/Contents-i386.gz pritns an error: "58:08 ERROR 404: Not Found." |
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| 14:01.18 | aeronadix | Bombo, whats apt-file? |
| 14:01.31 | Bombo | aeronadix: shows location of files |
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| 14:01.33 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix gfx=grafic card, and vmware is an program to make an virtuel machine in the real one... so i can run more then one os at the same time... |
| 14:01.42 | Bombo | $ whatis apt-file |
| 14:01.42 | Bombo | apt-file: nothing appropriate. |
| 14:01.46 | Bombo | ;/ |
| 14:01.46 | Bombo | ;) |
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| 14:02.04 | Bombo | aeronadix: apt-file - APT package searching utility -- command-line interface |
| 14:02.07 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, I though vmware was for internet applications |
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| 14:02.27 | aeronadix | Bombo, I never heard of it or used it, thx |
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| 14:02.33 | Paranoid^ | great to test on, couse i can just make an backup of the file it uses as hd, and overwrite the file if i make an mistake again... |
| 14:02.34 | Bombo | i want to find out where /etc/hotplug/usb/libsane.usermap is in |
| 14:02.49 | Bombo | i installed libsane but it is not there |
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| 14:03.06 | babu | hi all |
| 14:03.23 | babu | i have debian unstable and debian kernel 2.6.11 (compiled) |
| 14:03.37 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix nope, but it do its job great.. :D and it is great to test on, but you need an lot of computer power to run it smooth.. |
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| 14:03.45 | babu | i now have problems to mount a usb_storage devie |
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| 14:03.52 | Bombo | 16:03 [dpkg(N=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/hotplug/usb/libsane.usermap' returned no results. |
| 14:03.53 | Paranoid^ | brb have to test the usb stick... |
| 14:03.55 | Bombo | strange |
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| 14:04.03 | Angel-SL | :( |
| 14:04.05 | Bombo | i had this file on an earlier sarge install |
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| 14:04.09 | Angel-SL | anyone here knows |
| 14:04.18 | Angel-SL | a good email daemon |
| 14:04.22 | babu | i'm having usb-stick related problems too |
| 14:04.26 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, cool, I tried that wine thingy to run windows apps, but it doesn't work great, plus I haven't need any non open source software really |
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| 14:04.51 | cahoot | Bombo: I believe it's sane you want |
| 14:04.53 | aeronadix | Angel-SL, what do you mean? |
| 14:04.56 | ma3x | LSorensen, are you there? |
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| 14:05.03 | takatumi | babu: you probably forgot to compile usb_storage and sd_mod? |
| 14:05.11 | Bombo | Package: libsane Version: 1.0.15-2 Conffiles: /etc/hotplug/usb/libsane.usermap cfa9f3c9d55b99047ef1ced4bf64ea63 |
| 14:05.19 | Bombo | that means the file is in libsane? |
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| 14:05.38 | Bombo | on the current sarge install i have ii libsane 1.0.15-9 |
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| 14:05.41 | ma3x | hay can anybody explain me this |
| 14:05.44 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix vmware dont only let you run an windows, but also sun or maby another linux for testing... but it aint cheap.. :( but the i never regreat that i did bye it.. :D |
| 14:05.47 | ma3x | why should i buy driver loader |
| 14:05.48 | babu | no, i do have sd_mod and usb_storage |
| 14:05.49 | ma3x | is it not free? |
| 14:05.53 | ma3x | from linuxant? |
| 14:05.56 | Bombo | did they kick the file out of the new libsane version? |
| 14:06.04 | adelino | hola |
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| 14:06.12 | Bombo | cahoot: yes, i installed all *sane* i found |
| 14:06.17 | x-Al1gma | Paranoid^ I got it working man :D |
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| 14:06.21 | adelino | anything from spain? |
| 14:06.23 | edwards | Angel-SL, postfix or qmail. I guess thats the anser. |
| 14:06.29 | babu | Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 14:06.33 | edwards | answer |
| 14:06.44 | aeronadix | Paranoid^, how much was it? so you run vmware, and then install Linux on it, cool |
| 14:06.48 | babu | Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0 |
| 14:06.48 | babu | usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 14:06.48 | babu | Device not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive. |
| 14:07.06 | Angel-SL | edwards: with webmail. |
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| 14:07.10 | babu | i did a mount -t auto /dev/sda /mnt/usb |
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| 14:07.19 | edwards | qmail |
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| 14:07.28 | babu | sg_scan -i gives |
| 14:07.29 | Angel-SL | well |
| 14:07.31 | babu | /dev/sg0: scsi1 channel=0 id=0 lun=0 [em] |
| 14:07.31 | babu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.40 | Bombo | anyone is using apt-file? |
| 14:08.18 | Eclipser | !anyone use |
| 14:08.18 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:08.28 | Bombo | ...and can explain why it doesnt find http://security.debian.org//dists/sarge/updates/Contents-i386.gz ? |
| 14:09.12 | cahoot | Bombo: it's /etc/hotplug.d/usb/libsane.hotplug |
| 14:09.16 | dabaR | when booting the 30th time, my hard disk was checked by fsck. it found errors. Would it have fixed them? |
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| 14:10.31 | cahoot | Bombo: libbsane.usermap doesn't exist on my system either (and not to be found on PDO) |
| 14:10.50 | takatumi | babu: /msg dpkg usb_storage ; you mount sdaX and not sda (usually sda1), |
| 14:10.52 | cahoot | nm the typo |
| 14:10.54 | Bombo | cahoot: hmmm right |
| 14:10.55 | stew | dabaR: if it didn't fix them it would have prompted you for a root password to drop you immediately into a shell to fix them |
| 14:11.04 | dabaR | stew: thanks. |
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| 14:12.20 | Bombo | cahoot: hmmm seems that it reads /etc/sane.d/hotplug/libsane.db |
| 14:12.32 | Bombo | cahoot: and that looks like the usermap of the old libsane version |
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| 14:12.41 | granden | Whats the name of the module that handle the microsoft joysticks when its connected to a USB? |
| 14:13.00 | Bombo | cahoot: so i try to put the old usermap line for my scanner in there and see if it works now... |
| 14:13.05 | babu | takatumi: where do i see which sda i have to mount? |
| 14:13.07 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix 2 sec and then i can find the price... |
| 14:13.14 | ma3x | how can i mount my newly created SWAP partition? |
| 14:13.15 | solid_liq | granden: usbhid?? just a guess |
| 14:13.23 | Paranoid^ | aeronadix and the website of it.. :D... |
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| 14:13.27 | granden | I tried to load that |
| 14:13.34 | tarzeau | ma3x: using swapon |
| 14:13.37 | solid_liq | ma3x: swapon /dev/hd<whatever it is> |
| 14:13.39 | granden | but the game doesnt react anyway |
| 14:13.44 | granden | to the joystick |
| 14:13.48 | ma3x | well thanks a lot lads! |
| 14:13.51 | tarzeau | solid_liq: could also be /dev/sd<whatever> |
| 14:13.59 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 14:13.59 | dpkg | methinks debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 14:14.10 | ma3x | how can i check how much of the SWAP is used? |
| 14:14.13 | solid_liq | tarzeau: yeah, but I think he gets the point |
| 14:14.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: free -m |
| 14:15.04 | ma3x | this is stupid |
| 14:15.09 | ma3x | Package installation was sucessful. To complete the installation, please configure your wireless device(s) with the Web Configurator (http://127.0.0.1:18020). You do not need an active Internet connection in order to access the Web Configurator. |
| 14:15.19 | ma3x | I point my browser to that uRl and it refuses the connection |
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| 14:16.18 | snail | ma3x: you know that that URL has to be accessed from the same mcahine as you just installed it on? |
| 14:16.36 | ma3x | YES snail |
| 14:16.39 | ma3x | that's what i did |
| 14:17.25 | snail | ma3x: have you checked whether anything is listening on the port? have you checked the logs? |
| 14:17.34 | ma3x | snail, syslog? |
| 14:17.46 | ma3x | I shouldn't forward any ports right? |
| 14:17.49 | ma3x | it's just local |
| 14:18.00 | shevek | ma3x: netstat -ln |
| 14:18.14 | snail | ma3x: "dmesg" or anyhting with a recent timestamp in /var/log/*/* |
| 14:18.40 | shevek | ma3x: Perhaps the package needs to be started but isn't on installation: /etc/init.d/<package-provided-file> start |
| 14:18.41 | krbrz | Hello all! ... I'm trying to download 3.1r0a using bitorrent ... i downloaded the first 6 ISOs fine ... but with the rest i'm not having the same luck, is there any known issue with those torrents? |
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| 14:18.51 | AciD`` | hi |
| 14:19.12 | ma3x | snail, it's not listening to that port |
| 14:19.52 | stew | krbrz: you know you only actually need the first cd to do an install |
| 14:20.02 | snail | ma3x: then it's probbaly not started: see shevek's advice |
| 14:20.24 | stew | krbrz: if you have the first (or the first 6 for that matter) you have enough to install a base system that knows how to fetch packages you actually want from the net |
| 14:20.26 | ma3x | that's right, shevek had right! |
| 14:20.33 | AciD`` | is it normal that "dpkg -S /usr/bin/X11/X" returns me no good answer ? (where /usr/bin/X11/X is gave by which X) |
| 14:20.42 | ma3x | snail, now the driverloader asks me for inf file |
| 14:20.44 | krbrz | stew, i knwo that ... but i want all of them because i will install it in a box without internet access |
| 14:20.49 | ma3x | but i got exe from USR |
| 14:20.54 | ma3x | so how do i extract the exe? |
| 14:21.18 | FieldySnuts | exe's are useless anywhere but windows. besides, if you need a driver for your modem, you should likely replace the modem. Imean c'mon. |
| 14:21.18 | greycat | you MUST be joking. |
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| 14:21.30 | ma3x | im not joking |
| 14:21.38 | Angel-SL | :::::@ |
| 14:21.41 | ma3x | look at usr site :: http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5410 |
| 14:21.50 | shevek | If you're lucky the exe is a self extracting zip. Try unzipping it |
| 14:21.52 | greycat | dpkg, buzzsmite $1 is <reply> $1: You are a sad, strange little man. And you have my pity. |
| 14:21.52 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 14:21.53 | LSorensen | ma3x: wouldn't use the acx100 driver make more sense? |
| 14:21.58 | greycat | !buzzsmite ma3x |
| 14:21.59 | dpkg | ma3x: You are a sad, strange little man. And you have my pity. |
| 14:22.01 | aspect | arg .. apt-get update gives me errors :(. How do I recover from "E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status" |
| 14:22.05 | aspect | ? |
| 14:22.10 | ma3x | LSorense_, I couldnt download it |
| 14:22.11 | LSorensen | ma3x: I doubt anyone here uses driverloader (ndiswrapper maybe, but never driverloader) |
| 14:22.22 | ma3x | LSorense_, whats so bad about it? |
| 14:22.25 | ma3x | its free, no? |
| 14:22.32 | LSorensen | ma3x: well you could return the card and get something with a supported chipset. |
| 14:22.33 | greycat | there are 11 people in #ndiswrapper. ask them. |
| 14:22.40 | ma3x | LSorense_, like what? |
| 14:22.40 | stew | krbrz: the chances that you will need something from cd 7-14 are small |
| 14:22.42 | ma3x | D-link? |
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| 14:22.53 | LSorensen | ma3x: d-link is often not supported |
| 14:22.57 | LSorensen | ma3x: specific models may be |
| 14:23.01 | ma3x | well there is nothing else |
| 14:23.07 | ma3x | just dlink and usr |
| 14:23.16 | ma3x | and it costs $65 |
| 14:23.20 | LSorensen | ma3x: here is a good list: http://ralink.rapla.net/ |
| 14:23.20 | krbrz | stew, ok, cool |
| 14:23.30 | Angel-SL | greycat, u know where to geta email daemon with webmail web admin new user etc? |
| 14:23.37 | LSorensen | ma3x: those have an open source driver, and many people have said they got it to work (after installing the driver of course) |
| 14:23.42 | stew | krbrz: the packages on the cds are ordered by popularity, popcon.debian.org |
| 14:24.01 | stew | greycat: didn't you have a "what is on which cd" for woody? do you have the same for sarge? |
| 14:24.04 | LSorensen | ma3x: just make sure if it says a specific revision, they really mean it. some companies change the hardware completely but keep the same model number they just change revision |
| 14:24.07 | ma3x | LSorense_, is there any card, that you just plug it in, and it works like magic? |
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| 14:24.11 | ma3x | I mean LSorensen |
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| 14:24.21 | LSorensen | ma3x: sure anything with an old prism chipset made 2 or 3 years ago |
| 14:24.27 | Angel-SL | oy |
| 14:24.29 | ma3x | anyway how do I extract the exe? unzip file.exe wont work |
| 14:24.30 | greycat | stew: I do not have the sarge CDs. |
| 14:24.33 | LSorensen | ma3x: or a 2 or 3 year old orinoco |
| 14:24.34 | Angel-SL | greycat |
| 14:24.34 | umbop | you'd be best off with an atheros chipset, something like WAG511 |
| 14:24.38 | wombachi | Angel-SL: for web admin, you can try webmin (perl) |
| 14:24.38 | umbop | that has native support |
| 14:24.48 | ma3x | LSorense_, can you specify some brands with those chipsets? |
| 14:24.50 | Angel-SL | wombachi, shutup. |
| 14:24.53 | ma3x | I mean LSorensen again |
| 14:24.54 | LSorensen | ma3x: most companies switched to softmac chips which usually don't have open source drivers to save $10 per card |
| 14:24.54 | snail | ma3x: try wine, try vmware |
| 14:25.15 | wombachi | Angel-SL: ?? |
| 14:25.15 | Angel-SL | !QMAIL |
| 14:25.16 | dpkg | [qmail] a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
| 14:25.17 | LSorensen | ma3x: well if you were buying 2 or 3 years ago I would have been able to. today no one has one of those |
| 14:25.27 | ma3x | well thats pretty sad |
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| 14:25.54 | ma3x | hey snail can you boot your win partition with vmware and play games, just like if you were in windows |
| 14:25.55 | LSorensen | ma3x: well they have windows drivers, so they think saving $10 or $20 per card is great. many people buy the cheapest card, so everyone wants to make the cheapest card. |
| 14:26.09 | LSorensen | ma3x: except directx doesn't work well in vmware |
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| 14:26.17 | ma3x | oh |
| 14:26.19 | ma3x | so no 3d |
| 14:26.20 | snail | ma3x: which win partition? |
| 14:26.27 | ma3x | snail, if you had one ... |
| 14:26.32 | ma3x | i know you dont have .. :) |
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| 14:27.10 | raebis | GRAHHH i'm having a hellovah time attempting to add a virtual user to my proftpd ... anybody got any hints ? |
| 14:27.16 | AciD`` | what does "dpkg -S `which X`" output for you ? |
| 14:27.16 | tomb0y | If im running a dual boot system, and I want to share some files between linux and winxp, best bet is to use a fat16 partition in windows? and also enable that filesystem in the kernel for linux as well? |
| 14:27.20 | greycat | !l33t ftp |
| 14:27.20 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my FTP server to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false and put /bin/false in /etc/shells!!!!! |
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| 14:27.36 | greycat | I suppose the 18 people in #proftpd all told you to go away? |
| 14:27.49 | ma3x | LSorensen, so you're saying there are NO CARDS produced nowadays that work just out of the box? |
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| 14:27.56 | raebis | hmm didn't know there was a #proftpd |
| 14:28.00 | raebis | guess i'll check in there eh ? |
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| 14:28.12 | zimnyx | i got usbcore loaded, usbfs mounted, but there's no file /proc/bus/usb/devices, shouldn't it be present even when no devices are attached to usb? |
| 14:28.29 | ma3x | hey that exe is not extracting |
| 14:28.30 | ma3x | shit |
| 14:28.35 | greycat | the *really* surprising facet of freenode is that there appears to be *no* active #ssh or #openssh |
| 14:28.37 | shevek | raebis: Well, you did get an answer here... Although it sounds like a hack to me |
| 14:28.38 | tomb0y | raebis: http://www.glftpd.com doesnt use the systems userdb at all. |
| 14:28.38 | ma3x | i can't laod the drivers now |
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| 14:28.58 | greycat | ma3x: get the documentation from your chipset vendor and then write a driver. |
| 14:29.01 | raebis | :) excellent |
| 14:29.14 | york | Why does elinks not display anything after downloading the HTML (i.e. I hit G and then enter http://www.google.com, hit enter, it downloads the HTML, but then I don't see anything but OK at the bottom. No view of the rendered HTML) |
| 14:29.21 | ma3x | greycat, what are you talking about. how can i do that? |
| 14:29.26 | ma3x | im not programmer |
| 14:29.30 | greycat | we'll even give you partial credit if you just manage to do the first half and then give the documentation to a kernel driver hacker. |
| 14:30.01 | ma3x | besides how can you do that? |
| 14:30.02 | LSorensen | ma3x: none I know of. intel's require installing the ipw2100 or ipw2200 packages and building for your kernel, rl2500 requires installing the driver, etc |
| 14:30.04 | ma3x | c++ or something? |
| 14:30.18 | york | ma3x: Contact the manufacturer? |
| 14:30.23 | shevek | ma3x: "getting the docs" is actually the hard part |
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| 14:30.26 | york | ma3x: C. |
| 14:30.28 | LSorensen | ma3x: at least the intels and rl2500's have open source drivers and documentation |
| 14:30.33 | ohad | whois petemc |
| 14:30.36 | ohad | :p |
| 14:30.49 | ma3x | i can't believe this |
| 14:30.55 | ma3x | so who is the one to blame |
| 14:31.01 | ma3x | the companies for not giving the code? |
| 14:31.13 | m4csim | hi, I've got a hardware raid card with 4 IDE hard disk, what's its name in /dev ? |
| 14:31.17 | york | ma3x: If you get the documentation, and maybe even provide the hardware, I am sure you can find someone on RentACoder. ;) |
| 14:31.31 | oZt | how come I see a port as filtered, while a buddy sees it as open ? (I can't ssh to a machine, while he can) |
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| 14:31.56 | shevek | oZt: The firewall may filter depending on IP |
| 14:32.03 | ma3x | rent a coder? |
| 14:32.07 | ma3x | how much do i have to pay him? |
| 14:32.21 | shevek | ma3x: He doesn't accept the job if you don't have the docs |
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| 14:32.24 | york | ma3x: Surprisingly little. I know, I used to be a RentACoder. :) |
| 14:32.29 | oZt | shevek, it's a normal dlink router, I doubt he filters my ip differently... But thx |
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| 14:33.04 | tomb0y | m4cism: try doing a dmesg | less and scan through their, should tell you if it detects the drives and if so what devices they are. |
| 14:33.04 | PDani | hi |
| 14:33.05 | ma3x | how can i get that docu? |
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| 14:33.13 | JonnyRo | i'm trying to build a custom kernel, but am having problems generating an initrd |
| 14:33.17 | ma3x | I got Installation guide 150 pages in about 15 languages |
| 14:33.20 | PDani | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:33.41 | JonnyRo | does make-kpkg do the initrd too? |
| 14:33.43 | york | I once wrote a complete MS Help replacement in C for $50 USD (not sure why they wanted me to do it.) |
| 14:33.49 | drac | JonnyRo: If you make it to. |
| 14:33.52 | JonnyRo | --initrd |
| 14:33.56 | york | ma3x: Um, no. |
| 14:34.01 | shevek | ma3x: If you find a good way of getting such docs, we'd like to know. Just asking kindly doesn't usually work (but sometimes it does0 |
| 14:34.10 | JonnyRo | drac, how does it know what modules to put in there |
| 14:34.16 | ma3x | shevek, what does the documentation contain?/ |
| 14:34.19 | ma3x | what information exactly? |
| 14:34.23 | york | ma3x: You are going to need to get documentation for programming with the hardware. |
| 14:34.37 | ma3x | with what hardware? the pcmcia card? |
| 14:34.43 | shevek | ma3x: information about how to control the device. |
| 14:34.54 | york | ma3x: Obviously the pcmcia card. |
| 14:35.04 | ma3x | you dont control it |
| 14:35.06 | ma3x | you just throw it |
| 14:35.32 | ma3x | oh and btw, wine SUCKS! |
| 14:35.41 | drac | ma3x: yeah, beer is better |
| 14:35.42 | york | ma3x: I have never heard of a pcmcia card that is intended to be projected through the air. |
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| 14:36.11 | shevek | york: It would be cool, a pcmcia rocket launcher :-) |
| 14:36.12 | ma3x | york, what do you mean projected through the air? |
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| 14:37.28 | york | ma3x: You sound like an angry little Windows XP user who just expects Debian (or any other distribution) to work with all your poorly documented hardware, and all your poorly written Windows applications. And if it doesn't, you think that Linux / WINE "sucks." I don't think you understand. |
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| 14:38.22 | ma3x | york, you know what? |
| 14:38.27 | ma3x | I think the world is fucked |
| 14:38.34 | york | ma3x: I always purchase hardware that is well supported by the OS (*BSD, Solaris, or Linux.) Also, often poorly documented hardware lacks in quality. |
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| 14:38.36 | antgel | ma3x: suggest you rewrite wine |
| 14:38.54 | apfel | I'm trying to configure firefox in order to display hungarian characters. What packages do I need to install? I tried xfonts-biznet-100dpi but the characters still aren't displayed. Any hints? |
| 14:38.58 | greycat | !life |
| 14:38.58 | dpkg | Life? Don't talk to me about life. |
| 14:39.13 | ma3x | Instead of investing in open source projects |
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| 14:39.26 | ma3x | those microsoft billioners and millions of people work on the fuckin windows |
| 14:39.27 | fatal_ | york: sucky hardware often lack documentation because they don't want to expose how badly designed it was or how many bugs it has. |
| 14:39.28 | ma3x | now WHY is that? |
| 14:39.44 | greycat | ma3x: so they can make MORE money. |
| 14:39.50 | nefarius | anyone use mount -o bind /whatever /mnt/whatever to get out of a chroot jail |
| 14:39.59 | ma3x | I'm VERY glad that microsoft has to supply updates every day |
| 14:40.00 | york | ma3x: If you don't like how things are with open source software, contribute. Otherwise go back to *BSD. |
| 14:40.01 | AciD`` | how come i can't get dpkg to tell me from which package all the executables in /usr/bin/X11/ comes from ? |
| 14:40.02 | shevek | ma3x: It's called capitalism ;-) |
| 14:40.17 | york | ma3x: Err, Windows. |
| 14:40.19 | nefarius | i guess you cats have heard about winex and WGA |
| 14:40.19 | ma3x | and ll be even more glad if they keep fucking it more and more |
| 14:40.30 | apfel | Btw, did I overlook a hungarian channel? |
| 14:40.32 | greycat | AciD``: I don't know why you can't. Inability to type? Inability to read man pages? |
| 14:40.36 | ma3x | the same thing is with the hardware |
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| 14:40.54 | york | ma3x: This isn't #bitching. |
| 14:41.00 | ma3x | I am sure they can invent, (if not already invented) CPUs like 20 GHz |
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| 14:41.02 | AciD`` | thx for your helpful help greycat |
| 14:41.09 | ma3x | but they go 100 Mhz up and up |
| 14:41.26 | greycat | AciD``: you didn't give ANY useful details in your help request. |
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| 14:41.31 | antgel | apfel: can you display the characters in other apps? |
| 14:41.35 | york | ma3x: SHUT THE FUCK UP! |
| 14:41.53 | greycat | Did you try "cd /usr/bin/X11; for x in *; do [[ -x $x ]] && dpkg -S "$x"; done ? If so, how did it fail? |
| 14:41.53 | york | Sorry, operators. |
| 14:41.57 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.59 | stew | york: use /ignore if you don't like what he is saying |
| 14:42.03 | nefarius | anyone use mount -o bind /whatever /mnt/whatever to get out of a chroot jail? i put the relevant entries in /etc/fstab but upon restarting they don't get remounted |
| 14:42.04 | york | stew: I will. |
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| 14:42.19 | greycat | york: good idea. |
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| 14:42.41 | FieldySnuts | finally. had a jabber server here at work for like 1.5 years, maybe 2 actually. only been me and my boss on it, finally deploying clients throughout the company |
| 14:42.54 | echnaton | hi.. having problem with my touchpad again... movements work but pressing on the pad doesnt.. why? |
| 14:43.08 | stew | AciD``: if a file is placed on your system or moved or symlinked by a postinst script dpkg -S wont find it (don't know if that is the case here or not) |
| 14:43.11 | JonnyRo | FieldySnuts, it's really hard to get people to not use aim |
| 14:43.14 | JonnyRo | surprisingly enough |
| 14:43.19 | JonnyRo | because of the 3d smileys and crap |
| 14:43.26 | JonnyRo | and the video messaging, etc |
| 14:43.41 | antgel | ok, workstations are not pulling their domain name off the server. have request domain-name in dhcp3/dhclient.conf. however hostname --fqdn is still wrong. |
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| 14:43.56 | FieldySnuts | JonnyRo: not here, they don't get to establish connections outbound like that. it's our jabber server, we control it, over SSL |
| 14:44.02 | antgel | sadly, my winshit box picks up the domain name, no problem |
| 14:44.04 | york | JonnyRo: That is why I avoid IM. If someone wants to say something to me, they can send an e-mail. |
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| 14:44.25 | AciD`` | first i asked what was the normal output of "[16:28:28] <AciD``> what does "dpkg -S `which X`" output for you ?"; it's not really handy to type on a system where you can't use the shift key, thx to a unusable setxkbmap prog |
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| 14:44.44 | JonnyRo | nice |
| 14:44.53 | antgel | i avoid IM because it's for teenage girls. my girlfriend loves it and she's 29, but then she thinks that by using it she can stay young |
| 14:44.55 | greycat | AciD``: X is an exception. It's a symlink, isn't it? |
| 14:44.59 | AciD`` | stew > i tried the dpkg -S cmd on many files in /usr/bin/X11/ |
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| 14:45.04 | AciD`` | it's not |
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| 14:45.12 | greycat | ok, no, it's just the wrapper. |
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| 14:45.27 | greycat | griffon:~/public_html$ dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 14:45.27 | greycat | xserver-common: /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 14:45.41 | tarzeau | isnt' there a windows vnc client that is free, and works with vnc4server ? |
| 14:46.12 | echnaton | what is ginad? using port 634 ? |
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| 14:46.19 | greycat | echnaton: STOP USING NMAP!!!!!!! |
| 14:46.25 | ma3x | tarzeau, im sure there is, just nobody bothers to tell you |
| 14:46.27 | greycat | !open ports |
| 14:46.27 | dpkg | hmm... open ports is netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 14:46.31 | ma3x | they're too busy |
| 14:46.37 | echnaton | why greycat ? |
| 14:46.44 | greycat | because it's FUCKING STUPID! |
| 14:47.01 | greycat | run "lsof -i :634" and SEE just how fucktarded nmap's output is. |
| 14:47.03 | ma3x | haha |
| 14:47.07 | ma3x | he got pissed off too |
| 14:47.36 | echnaton | you are right greycat |
| 14:47.55 | umbop | fucktarded |
| 14:47.56 | echnaton | tarzeau,? |
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| 14:48.02 | umbop | what a great word |
| 14:48.07 | tarzeau | echnaton: i was just curious if you use mirc |
| 14:48.14 | echnaton | no xchat my friend |
| 14:48.21 | tarzeau | echnaton: same shit |
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| 14:48.30 | greycat | nmap tries to make a *guess* about what's happening because you're supposed to use it on *someone else's* computer that you don't have shell access to. So it sees that 634 is accepting connections, and then it looks up "634" in its own internal table, and spits out a string like "ginad" that means jack shit. |
| 14:48.32 | echnaton | tarzeau, care about your problems |
| 14:48.44 | antgel | c'mon, someone. let's turn it around. hostname outputs geddy. hostname --fqdn outputs localhost.localdomain |
| 14:48.47 | echnaton | thank you greycat |
| 14:48.51 | antgel | wtf? |
| 14:48.56 | greycat | antgel: man 5 hosts |
| 14:48.59 | tarzeau | !hosts |
| 14:49.15 | gilv | is there a good soft to record / play keystrokes and mouse movements in X displays ? |
| 14:49.18 | antgel | i have had a butchers at hosts, but obviously not enough |
| 14:49.39 | AciD`` | i get the same result than you greycat, now i need to figure out why this file doesn't exist on my main computer although xserver-common is installed;;; |
| 14:50.04 | greycat | apt-get --reinstall install xserver-common |
| 14:50.12 | antgel | should point out that i'm using dhcp here |
| 14:50.20 | greycat | antgel: pain! |
| 14:50.34 | antgel | greycat: i'm feeling it |
| 14:50.43 | antgel | !pain |
| 14:50.43 | dpkg | it has been said that pain is just a different kind of feeling |
| 14:50.56 | antgel | that dude is profound |
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| 14:51.58 | york | Pain is the feeling that makes me take codine all the time. |
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| 14:52.48 | ma3x | why when i plug the pcmcia card, it doesnt show nothing in the dmesg? |
| 14:52.49 | nvz | if you take codine all the time, you shouldnt know what pain is |
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| 14:53.05 | greycat | codeine. |
| 14:53.16 | nvz | that too |
| 14:53.36 | ma3x | driverloader: version magic '2.6.11-1-686 686 gcc-4.0' should be '2.6.11-1-686 686 gcc-3.3' |
| 14:53.39 | ma3x | what should i do about that? |
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| 14:53.47 | antgel | hold on a sec, it's kind of working. resolv.conf has the local domain in. pinging the machine by name doesn't work. pinging a machine with the full name works... |
| 14:53.48 | greycat | use gcc-3.3 |
| 14:54.00 | greycat | !pal sid users who can't fucking manage to deal with two compilers. |
| 14:54.26 | antgel | e.g. resolv.conf contains search wayforth.local. ping lemmy is fucked. ping lemmy.wayforth.local works. wtf is going on, what a day |
| 14:54.51 | greycat | antgel: does lemmy appear in /etc/hosts? |
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| 14:55.08 | antgel | greycat: i fucking hope not. |
| 14:55.09 | greycat | what's your hosts line in nsswitch.conf say? |
| 14:55.16 | antgel | greycat: no |
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| 14:55.32 | antgel | greycat: files dns |
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| 14:56.35 | ma3x | greycat, I'm not using it |
| 14:56.42 | ma3x | the driverloader is using gcc |
| 14:56.44 | undesktop | a program grabbed my mouse, and I killed that program to escape from the grab... but I still can't move the mouse |
| 14:56.48 | undesktop | what to do? |
| 14:56.57 | antgel | fucking weird. nslookup lemmy works. ping lemmy doesn't |
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| 14:58.22 | ma3x | greycat, should I somehow enable hotplug or pcmcia in the kernel? |
| 14:58.35 | ma3x | cause when i insert a card, it should usually say something |
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| 15:00.36 | kados | I changed my hostname and now my DNS doesnt' work on that box (I can't ping by DNS name anymore) |
| 15:00.50 | kados | is there a way to refresh the DNS? |
| 15:00.54 | echnaton | which device should i use for a touchpad mouse kernel 2.6* ? |
| 15:01.04 | echnaton | and which protocol? |
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| 15:01.23 | _SerhaT_ | kados: what did you change? how actually? |
| 15:01.28 | greycat | ma3x: there should be a cardctl daemon running |
| 15:01.37 | greycat | ma3x: beyond that, PCMCIA is pretty mysterious to me |
| 15:01.49 | kados | _SerhaT_: I typed 'hostname mynewname' |
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| 15:02.25 | ma3x | greycat, is "/sbin/cardmgr -f" the daemon? |
| 15:02.30 | greycat | your hostname has nothing to do with DNS. |
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| 15:02.37 | greycat | ma3x: could be. |
| 15:02.38 | kados | _SerhaT_: I also edited /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
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| 15:02.53 | _SerhaT_ | you restarted networking? |
| 15:02.58 | kados | _SerhaT_: yep |
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| 15:03.23 | _SerhaT_ | hmm a friend had the same.. though it worked at him after a reboot.. dunno of an other alternative now heh |
| 15:03.39 | gilv | how to know what is my remote display ? |
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| 15:04.11 | antgel | weirder. ping lemmy doesn't work. nmap lemmy doesn't work. nslookup lemmy works. ssh lemmy works. this is like the twilight zone |
| 15:04.28 | _SerhaT_ | lemmy? |
| 15:04.35 | antgel | you heard |
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| 15:04.45 | antgel | as in motorhead |
| 15:04.48 | greycat | gilv: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:05.03 | _SerhaT_ | uh... I need some time off.. later |
| 15:05.18 | ffed | hi there, how do i find out which information came with my dhcp lease, like wins server and such ? |
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| 15:05.31 | greycat | antgel: strace ping lemmy (as root, because it's setuid) |
| 15:05.36 | ma3x | what means Symmetric multiprocessing support (CONFIG_SMP) is disabled. |
| 15:05.38 | kados | _SerhaT_: now I'm getting a error when I restart networking: Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 15:05.38 | ma3x | how do i enable it? |
| 15:05.38 | greycat | antgel: find out what it's doing |
| 15:05.49 | greycat | ma3x: do you have multiple CPUs? |
| 15:06.02 | ma3x | greycat, no |
| 15:06.15 | gilv | greycat: -hum- this is not what i expected |
| 15:06.31 | antgel | oh greycat you legend. needed to restart nscd |
| 15:06.31 | greycat | then SMP is not going to benefit you |
| 15:06.37 | ffed | ma3x: do you have pentium 4 hyper threading model cpu ? |
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| 15:06.47 | ma3x | ffed I have pentium 4 mobile |
| 15:06.53 | greycat | antgel: was there a sid libc6 update involved in this question? |
| 15:07.05 | ffed | ma3x: doesn't that have HT ? |
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| 15:07.28 | greycat | ffed: unlikely |
| 15:07.32 | antgel | greycat: not afaik. am moving lan to internal domain. that's the sum of it. |
| 15:07.53 | ffed | hi there, how do i find out which information came with my dhcp lease, like wins server and such ? |
| 15:07.55 | marvelk | I'm new with Linux/Debian. I just wanna download a CD Image from BitTorrent but there's over 15 files. Do I have to download all of them? |
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| 15:08.30 | antgel | marvelk: no |
| 15:08.39 | antgel | !tell marvelk about install debian |
| 15:08.40 | greycat | !install debian |
| 15:08.40 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 15:08.45 | smacnay | marvelk: no, one and then select net install for all the rest of what you need |
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| 15:09.26 | ma3x | is it possible to remove this bloody driverloader? |
| 15:09.29 | ma3x | its useless |
| 15:10.02 | marvelk | thx. i'll read over the guide. |
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| 15:10.23 | nvz | ma3x: which "driverloader"? modutils? discover? hotplug? initrd? |
| 15:10.55 | ma3x | nvz, driverloader from linuxant |
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| 15:11.02 | greycat | !driverloader |
| 15:11.04 | gilv | Does someone how to use xmacro ? |
| 15:11.55 | ma3x | ok i installed that acx100 and compiled into the kernl |
| 15:11.57 | ma3x | should i reboot? |
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| 15:12.07 | astdarkness | hello |
| 15:12.08 | x-Al1gma | hello astdarkness |
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| 15:12.28 | kados | _SerhaT_: how can I 'restart' dns on this box? |
| 15:12.44 | astdarkness | do you speak portuguese x-Allgma? |
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| 15:13.56 | greycat | very tiny milking machines? |
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| 15:14.15 | ChristianP | hi all |
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| 15:14.29 | antgel | no, just squash and filter |
| 15:14.33 | nefarius | kados: ps auxw |grep named |
| 15:14.37 | nefarius | kados: get the pid and kill -HUP that |
| 15:14.48 | greycat | we need cruelty free ant gel. |
| 15:14.54 | nefarius | kados: or kill -HUP `cat /var/run/named.pid` |
| 15:15.01 | echnaton | some notebook users here? |
| 15:15.01 | kados | nefarius: doesn't look like it exists |
| 15:15.05 | nefarius | kados: /etc/init.d/named restart |
| 15:15.12 | kados | nefarius: it's not there |
| 15:15.19 | kados | nefarius: (tried that already) |
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| 15:15.21 | greycat | what's not where? |
| 15:15.30 | nefarius | kados: what do you mean by dns |
| 15:15.31 | kados | greycat: no named on the system |
| 15:15.46 | kados | greycat: find / -name named -print turns up nada |
| 15:15.54 | greycat | then you aren't running BIND. |
| 15:16.11 | kados | greycat: how can I get dns working again? |
| 15:16.16 | kados | greycat: install BIND? |
| 15:16.17 | greycat | !details |
| 15:16.17 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 15:16.24 | nefarius | !bind |
| 15:16.25 | dpkg | it has been said that bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml, or read the brilliant docs at http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf. |
| 15:16.33 | nefarius | !named |
| 15:16.47 | greycat | I dearly hope "brilliant" was intended as sarcasm ther. |
| 15:16.49 | greycat | there* |
| 15:16.58 | nefarius | http://www.dnsrd.net is a good resource i've used for years |
| 15:17.01 | greycat | I refuse to download a PDF to find out. |
| 15:17.17 | nefarius | kados: basically you want to install bind, then configure your zone files |
| 15:17.21 | antgel | i have just been ploughing through the bind docs. can confirm they were helpful. |
| 15:17.22 | ma3x | I can't understand this |
| 15:17.30 | ma3x | after all I've done it still says No devices found. |
| 15:17.30 | kados | greycat: it's 400ing anyway ;-) |
| 15:17.32 | greycat | nefarius: WHY IS EVERYONE ASSUMING HE IS RUNNING A NAME *SERVER*?? |
| 15:17.39 | ChristianP | doing pmidi -l i obtain an empty line like this: Port Client name Port name and i hear no midi soud. What's the matter? |
| 15:17.44 | greycat | as far as *I* can tell he's just some fucking newbie with a broken resolv.conf! |
| 15:17.45 | kados | I'm not running a name server |
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| 15:17.56 | nefarius | lol |
| 15:17.59 | greycat | (or a broken firewall) |
| 15:18.04 | antgel | he's definitely running a name server :) |
| 15:18.18 | kados | (or a broken ISP dns server) ;-) |
| 15:18.19 | nefarius | isn't it obvious he's running a name server ;> |
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| 15:18.29 | kados | I'm not running a name server |
| 15:18.41 | antgel | kados grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:18.47 | alex___ | I tried to connect my mac OSX on my debian box, I used to do this but I have recently update to ubuntu and can't remember the name of the package, and my research for osx debian are not conclusivre |
| 15:18.51 | alex___ | ve |
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| 15:19.08 | antgel | !ubuntu |
| 15:19.08 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is a see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" |
| 15:19.09 | greycat | 1) that's not an update. |
| 15:19.10 | nefarius | kados: dig @<pick an ip in your /etc/resolv.conf> uu.net soa |
| 15:19.13 | greycat | 2) this is not #ubuntu |
| 15:19.14 | kados | antgel: ok ... there's an IP there ... not one of mine |
| 15:19.27 | antgel | kados: ping it |
| 15:19.33 | alex___ | greycat: ok, sorry it remains a debian system |
| 15:19.59 | greycat | install sshd on the mac. install ssh on the debian box. |
| 15:20.12 | antgel | kados: stop pinging it :) |
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| 15:20.17 | kados | antgel: heh ... must be my ISP's dns is down ;-) |
| 15:20.20 | kados | antgel: no response |
| 15:20.23 | kados | antgel: thanks! |
| 15:20.24 | antgel | what's the ip? |
| 15:20.26 | kados | antgel: I'll call them |
| 15:20.28 | ma3x | how do i install ndiswrapper? |
| 15:20.32 | ma3x | whats the paacakge name?\ |
| 15:20.37 | greycat | !ndiswrapper |
| 15:20.37 | dpkg | i guess ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 15:20.53 | gilv | is there a command to record and play the movements of the mouse on linux ? |
| 15:20.54 | kados | antgel: strange ... I can ping it from other networks |
| 15:20.55 | greycat | dpkg, ndiswrapper =~ s/on Linux/on Linux i386 only/ |
| 15:20.55 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 15:20.59 | antgel | kados: me too. |
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| 15:21.21 | ma3x | greycat, there isnt linux driver |
| 15:21.24 | kados | antgel: is it possible that since I changed the name on my box it somehow won't recognize it because it thinks something screwy's going on? |
| 15:21.27 | ma3x | at least i cant install a working one |
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| 15:21.31 | antgel | kados: can you ping 66.102.9.104 (google) |
| 15:21.44 | antgel | kados: it's more possible that you fucked something up |
| 15:21.51 | LSorensen | ma3x: well you could try installing ndiswrapper and see if it will run the windows driver |
| 15:21.54 | kados | antgel: yep ... I can ping google |
| 15:21.56 | antgel | the sarcasm in here is getting to me |
| 15:21.58 | kados | antgel: just not by name |
| 15:22.08 | tchino | i have reinstall new my server, why can i don't ping that from client, a ping from server to client is going right |
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| 15:22.25 | ma3x | LSorensen, whats the package name? |
| 15:22.27 | LSorensen | ma3x: apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-`uname -r` |
| 15:22.36 | antgel | kados: how interesting. if you can ping one ip and not the other, i'm all out of ideas. maybe it's a router issue. try traceroute |
| 15:22.38 | greycat | !smite backticks |
| 15:22.42 | ma3x | thanks |
| 15:22.46 | LSorensen | ma3x: or if there isn't one, apt-get install ndiswrapper-source, and build it for your kernel |
| 15:22.58 | dpkg-reconfigure | hi |
| 15:22.59 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 15:22.59 | LSorensen | ma3x: it uses windows drivers for the card |
| 15:23.03 | LSorensen | ma3x: might work |
| 15:23.11 | LSorensen | ma3x: it does for those stupid broadcom ones |
| 15:23.12 | antgel | tchino: because you have misconfigured something. firewall perhaps? |
| 15:23.23 | kados | antgel: hehe ... can't do that because it's not installed on this minimal debian box and I've got no dns to install it via the package servers ;-) |
| 15:23.31 | tchino | antgel: how way can i going |
| 15:23.44 | antgel | tchino: are you from newcastle? |
| 15:23.55 | antgel | !de |
| 15:23.55 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 15:23.58 | greycat | kados: edit the fucking resolv.conf already. put in someone else's DNS servers. |
| 15:24.04 | concept10 | antgel, newcastle aus? |
| 15:24.11 | antgel | concept10: nah, england |
| 15:24.16 | antgel | g'day |
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| 15:24.47 | tchino | abtgel: yes, sorry for my english |
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| 15:25.10 | concept10 | i would like to go back to newcastle austrailia |
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| 15:25.29 | kados | greycat: ok ... added a known good dns server ... restarted networking ... dns still not working |
| 15:25.29 | ma3x | LSorensen, is ndiswrapper free? |
| 15:25.40 | greycat | ping it. |
| 15:25.42 | greycat | by IP. |
| 15:25.45 | antgel | kados: can you ping it? is it the only dns server there? |
| 15:25.46 | kados | greycat: works |
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| 15:25.55 | kados | antgel: yes ... the only one there |
| 15:25.59 | greycat | dig @THATIP A www.yahoo.com |
| 15:26.00 | kados | yes I can ping it |
| 15:26.25 | kados | greycat: dig command not found |
| 15:26.38 | greycat | !smite newbies |
| 15:27.14 | antgel | kados: you'll have to telnet to the port on the dns server and query it manually :P |
| 15:27.19 | kados | hehe |
| 15:27.26 | kados | sounds like fun ... |
| 15:27.30 | tchino | antgel: i get the message: no route to host |
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| 15:27.46 | antgel | tchino: can you ping anything else? |
| 15:27.49 | LSorensen | ma3x: yes |
| 15:27.56 | kados | antgel: I can ping all IPs and no DNSes |
| 15:28.01 | LSorensen | ma3x: that's why it is included with debian |
| 15:28.04 | tk-1 | hi people could sumone help me asec |
| 15:28.16 | greycat | kados: are you running ANY sort of firewall AT ALL? |
| 15:28.20 | tchino | antgel: yes ping www.gmx.de goes right |
| 15:28.21 | kados | greycat: nope |
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| 15:28.47 | greycat | nslookup is deprecated. |
| 15:29.00 | tk-1 | xfree86 and metacity shoot to like 80% on the cpu usage when i move a window side to side any ideas? |
| 15:29.00 | metaperl | greycat: what to use instead? |
| 15:29.02 | metaperl | dig? |
| 15:29.04 | greycat | host, dig |
| 15:29.05 | antgel | greycat: it may well be, but still works a treat |
| 15:29.38 | plantigrado | hola |
| 15:29.44 | antgel | tchino: i have to fix my own system first |
| 15:29.58 | antgel | tk-1: stop moving windows :) |
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| 15:30.19 | Stun | Alguem sabe um bom P2P? |
| 15:30.24 | tk-1 | lol |
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| 15:30.39 | tk-1 | its weired i think its graphics drive but i ant sure |
| 15:31.06 | antgel | tk-1: is this a new problem? |
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| 15:31.12 | tk-1 | yer |
| 15:31.16 | antgel | since when? |
| 15:31.24 | tk-1 | i just fitted a new mobo and cpu n ram today |
| 15:31.25 | ma3x | LSorensen, I can't understand.. how can USR make you pay for the driverloader? |
| 15:31.31 | plantigrado | hola estoy comenzando quisiera hacer algunas preguntas |
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| 15:31.39 | kados | antgel: what port should I use to telnet to the dns server? |
| 15:31.39 | tk-1 | the mobo has a sis built in graphics card |
| 15:31.44 | greycat | !es |
| 15:31.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:31.50 | plantigrado | alguien me puede ayudar? |
| 15:31.51 | antgel | kados: don't be silly. (53 i think) |
| 15:32.01 | antgel | !sis |
| 15:32.01 | dpkg | it has been said that sis is http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml, or shit, or http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| 15:32.03 | greycat | kados: unfortunately, DNS uses UDP. |
| 15:32.08 | greycat | (primarily) |
| 15:33.08 | LSorensen | ma3x: they don't, they just recomend using driverloader (which is another company) since then there is a company to offer support. ndiswrapper only have the open source community for support (which in my opinion is better support) |
| 15:33.09 | antgel | tk-1: what X driver you using? |
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| 15:33.31 | Xeros | still tweaking my debian install, and got a little video problem. i'm running an Radeon IGP 340M and am having some difficulty setting it up. the ati drivers are buggy with it. any ideas? |
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| 15:34.03 | tk-1 | vesa |
| 15:34.05 | tk-1 | or summit |
| 15:34.10 | Xeros | summit? |
| 15:34.15 | tk-1 | think ill change it to sis |
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| 15:34.18 | antgel | he means something |
| 15:34.18 | tk-1 | one |
| 15:34.30 | drac | sis driver in X is great |
| 15:34.39 | |D77[0]116| | who many iso's of the woody debian |
| 15:34.40 | |D77[0]116| | ? |
| 15:34.42 | antgel | tk-1: what a good idea, wouldn't it have been a good idea to try before? |
| 15:34.46 | |D77[0]116| | is it 10 iso's ?? |
| 15:34.52 | greycat | who wants woody? |
| 15:34.55 | drac | |D77[0]116|: 7, but it's obsolete.. old.. |
| 15:34.57 | Stun | Alguem sabe um server pro lopster ? |
| 15:34.58 | greycat | sarge is stable now. |
| 15:35.01 | tk-1 | i just clickd lol |
| 15:35.03 | greycat | !br |
| 15:35.03 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:35.06 | tk-1 | :S |
| 15:35.07 | ma3x | LSorensen, OK now how can i build from ndiswrapper source? |
| 15:35.16 | greycat | ma3x: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper |
| 15:35.18 | ma3x | is there a walkthrough ? |
| 15:35.22 | |D77[0]116| | what's new |
| 15:35.30 | greycat | !sarge |
| 15:35.30 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 15:35.36 | tchino | i have reinstall new my server, why can i don't ping that from client, a ping from server to client is going right |
| 15:36.24 | LSorensen | ma3x: yes. apt-get install ndiswrapper-source, then use m-a or use the readme in /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper-source to build it |
| 15:36.28 | ma3x | greycat, should I reboot? |
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| 15:37.00 | LSorensen | ma3x: shouldn't need to reboot |
| 15:37.01 | nefarius | !sid |
| 15:37.02 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 15:37.17 | ma3x | LSorensen, okay, I did the one line (step) install from dpkg |
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| 15:37.23 | LSorensen | ma3x: 'ndiswrapper one-liner' from dpkg looks about right |
| 15:37.27 | ma3x | LSorensen, now should I just unplug/plug the card? |
| 15:37.41 | LSorensen | ma3x: well you have to copy the right ndis file from the windows driver |
| 15:37.48 | LSorensen | ma3x: and the firmware file probably |
| 15:38.11 | ma3x | OK i have 3 files from the win driver |
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| 15:38.23 | ma3x | USR11G.inf |
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| 15:38.30 | ma3x | FwRad16.bin and FwRad17.bin |
| 15:38.33 | ma3x | what is what? |
| 15:38.36 | s0undt3ch | hello ppl |
| 15:38.44 | ma3x | LSorensen, and where do I copy it to? |
| 15:38.53 | |D77[0]116| | it's more than 14 cd |
| 15:38.57 | |D77[0]116| | how come ?? |
| 15:39.07 | greycat | WHY is this guy asking #debian all these fucking windows driver questions? |
| 15:39.07 | s0undt3ch | what would be a good and easy vs of debian to install for a home server and then a home desktop? |
| 15:39.11 | dabaR | how do I add ez-ipupdate to the list of automatically started daemons for boot time? |
| 15:39.13 | greycat | !blame LSorensen for breastfeeding him |
| 15:39.29 | ma3x | greycat, whats wrong with trying to setup a pcmcia card in debian? |
| 15:39.38 | ma3x | is it my fault that they dont sell linux cards? |
| 15:39.38 | greycat | go ask #ndiswrapper |
| 15:39.41 | |D77[0]116| | i can downalod it |
| 15:39.44 | greycat | YES, it is your fault. |
| 15:39.46 | asuffield | ma3x: yeah, pretty much :P |
| 15:39.54 | |D77[0]116| | but is woddy is bad ??? |
| 15:39.55 | ma3x | why ? |
| 15:39.57 | asuffield | pick a better vendor next time |
| 15:39.59 | greycat | YOU paid them money as a reward. |
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| 15:40.04 | greycat | Now they will keep doing it. |
| 15:40.06 | ma3x | WHAT vendor? |
| 15:40.10 | ma3x | I asked that question like 20 times |
| 15:40.23 | LSorensen | ma3x: not sure. I don't use wireless. It sucks! |
| 15:40.36 | LSorensen | ma3x: and I don't buy unsupported hardware. read the ndiswrapper documentation |
| 15:40.46 | LSorensen | ma3x: search google. there are other peopel that have setup a usr 5410 with ndiswrapper |
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| 15:40.51 | ma3x | okay thanks LSorensen |
| 15:40.55 | ma3x | I really appreciate it! |
| 15:41.05 | ma3x | Few are people like you |
| 15:41.07 | LSorensen | ma3x: for example: http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/matthew.collette/FC2I5150.html |
| 15:41.15 | LSorensen | ma3x: he really hates the card by now though. |
| 15:41.25 | nefarius | !bsd |
| 15:41.25 | dpkg | read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or 00:48 < beta3> BSD stand for Bull Shit Distribution |
| 15:41.30 | Sup3rFly | I need to recompile my 2.6.8 kernel to add some devices, since it won't boot...... do i need to do anything special before I do make menuconfig and then make-kpkg kernel-image and then dpkg-i <image.deb>? |
| 15:41.36 | nefarius | loool |
| 15:41.47 | greycat | OpenBSD has a list of supported wireless adapters on http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html |
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| 15:42.09 | LSorensen | ma3x: if I was to buy a wireless card, I would get an rl2500 based card for sure. I don't want to use a binary only driver, or ndiswrapper or driver loader. I only want something that works with a fully open source driver, ant the rl2500 does |
| 15:42.20 | s0undt3ch | anyone? what would be a good and easy vs of debian to install for a home server and then a home desktop? |
| 15:42.51 | LSorensen | greycat: how many of them (if any) are still being made? |
| 15:43.25 | jelly | eh, is there a RSS feed for #debian topics? ;-) |
| 15:43.40 | asuffield | no. stop trying to put random things into RSS |
| 15:43.43 | ma3x | LSorensen, no way to get that card here |
| 15:44.00 | jelly | I'd settle for a irc bot which would mail me... |
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| 15:44.30 | asuffield | that would be almost reasonable |
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| 15:44.37 | LSorensen | ma3x: well there should be given about 50 different companies make cards with that chip now |
| 15:44.39 | asuffield | doesn't exist though |
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| 15:45.43 | theeil | why does the nautilus icon theme not apply when running on fluxbox (and how do i fix this)? |
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| 15:45.54 | jelly | Is there a #debian policy about bots, would anyone care if I dropped one? |
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| 15:46.19 | greycat | as long as it's quiet, we don't care |
| 15:46.24 | jelly | good |
| 15:46.33 | greycat | if it starts answering !faq then we'll have to kill it. |
| 15:46.52 | yoo | Why when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart i have this error : |
| 15:46.54 | yoo | Reconfiguring network interfaces...Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 15:46.55 | jelly | no !faq, got it... anything else? ;-) |
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| 15:47.02 | yoo | SET failed on device ra0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 15:47.25 | yoo | but my internet is OK what's the problem ? |
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| 15:47.50 | yoo | Mode:Managed |
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| 15:49.01 | dabaR | jelly: it better give good "massages" |
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| 15:49.57 | Xeros | still having problems with the igp340m |
| 15:50.00 | Xeros | it's driving me nuts |
| 15:50.09 | jelly | Hey, who's responsible for the look of reports at bugs.debian.org? Sweet. |
| 15:50.34 | |D77[0]116| | why is debian 3.1 is 16 cd |
| 15:50.40 | |D77[0]116| | why is that ?? |
| 15:50.44 | trc | where do i change permissions for usb scanner, user cant, root can |
| 15:50.45 | PeterB | !dstats |
| 15:50.50 | jelly | dabaR: I think I'll pass on the fake french accent, though. ;-) |
| 15:50.52 | fatal_ | because it contains a shitload of applications. |
| 15:50.56 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17173 packages, 1576 maintainers, 34227 MB installed size, 11001 MB compressed size. |
| 15:51.17 | tchino | has debian sarge to activate the firewall in standard, i cant ping to my server |
| 15:51.21 | dabaR | Xeros: I am so sorry to hear that, I am sorry for any inconvenience. How can we help you?;) |
| 15:51.27 | |D77[0]116| | ok |
| 15:51.38 | |D77[0]116| | it 's the boggest linux iso i ever seen |
| 15:51.38 | |D77[0]116| | lol |
| 15:51.48 | fatal_ | tchino: no firewall in the default install.... (no need to firewall if you instead disable the listening applications). |
| 15:51.49 | nefarius | you don't need all 16 |
| 15:52.05 | nefarius | it's just if you want _all that free software to choose from_ you can |
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| 15:52.39 | tchino | fatal_: but i can't ping to my server from my client, in the other direction server -> client is going right |
| 15:52.42 | |D77[0]116| | how many cd's i can use |
| 15:52.45 | jelly | What was the name of that nick-l33t-o-meter thingy |
| 15:52.50 | Xeros | dabaR: i did ask a real question earlier and got no response so i just went and f*d around with it myself, no luck yet so i'll repeat the original question... |
| 15:52.53 | PeterB | jelly: nickometer |
| 15:52.54 | Xeros | still tweaking my debian install, and got a little video problem. i'm running an Radeon IGP 340M and am having some difficulty setting it up. the ati drivers are buggy with it. any ideas? |
| 15:53.03 | jelly | !nickometer |D77[0]116| |
| 15:53.03 | dpkg | '|D77[0]116|' is 88.000% lame, jelly |
| 15:53.08 | PeterB | !d-i |D77[0]116| |
| 15:53.08 | dpkg | |D77[0]116|, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:53.27 | dabaR | I can see why you got no help:) jj, give more info, it seems like a lot is missing there.... |
| 15:53.42 | Sup3rFly | need some help....... i can't get my debian box that has scsi raid to boot on a new kernel (2.6.8)...it crashes at: VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or unknown-block(8,1) Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 15:53.48 | Sup3rFly | I have compiled the kernel multiple times.... |
| 15:54.07 | *** mode/#debian [+l 665] by debhelper |
| 15:54.08 | Sup3rFly | it shows the scsi0 and scsi1 adapters before the error... not finding my drives |
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| 15:54.29 | eka | hi all |
| 15:54.44 | eka | which ftp server recommend for installing in my debian servere |
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| 15:55.32 | Xeros | dabaR: what do you need? |
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| 15:55.43 | Nrg_ | hi |
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| 15:56.01 | snail | what's the command to print a list of all the ports that are being listed on? |
| 15:56.05 | snail | what's the command to print a list of all the ports that are being listen on? |
| 15:56.07 | eka | which ftp server do you recommend? |
| 15:56.08 | Nrg_ | hmm.. gnome-desktop-environment is uninstallable in unstable? |
| 15:56.24 | CHA0Xm1nd-3N1GM1 | hi all |
| 15:56.25 | greycat | eka: none. |
| 15:56.27 | dabaR | Xeros: I dont need anything, anyhow, gotta go, good luck. |
| 15:56.28 | greycat | snail: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 15:56.30 | Nrg_ | it depends on evince (which cannot be installed because of missing libs) or gpdf (which is too old in unstable) |
| 15:56.31 | jelly | Sup3rFly: initrd? |
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| 15:56.34 | eka | greycat: so? |
| 15:57.03 | kados | antgel: so remember when I could ping yahoo.com by IP ... now it seems I can't |
| 15:57.06 | Xeros | grrr |
| 15:57.20 | Xeros | anyone able to give me a hand with this stupid video card? |
| 15:57.21 | kados | antgel: I can only ping hosts on my local subnet ... but other networks can ping me |
| 15:57.24 | jelly | Sup3rFly: maybe some scsi things are not compiled in, like scsi disk support (sd)? |
| 15:57.41 | tchino | when i ping from server his ip-adress 192.168.1.2 i get the message: 192.168.1.33 icmp_seq=1 destination host unreachable; what is wrong |
| 15:57.44 | kados | antgel: also ... something screwy's going on with mysql ... and I don't have the 'mail' command like I used to |
| 15:58.07 | Lee__ | I'm a bit confused about the udev vs devfs vs hal things. Which does sarge use by default? |
| 15:58.11 | eka | so wu-ftp is okay? |
| 15:58.14 | greycat | no. |
| 15:58.16 | greycat | !wu |
| 15:58.20 | greycat | !wuftpd |
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| 15:58.24 | greycat | !wu-ftpd |
| 15:58.24 | dpkg | i guess wu-ftpd is the "standard" ftpd for major installations, like wuarchive.wustl.edu (of course), cdrom.com, and metalab.unc.edu. Very configurable and powerful, just be sure you're ready with the security updates in your sources.list. Putting the "WOO" in "WEMOTE WOOT". |
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| 15:59.23 | jelly | eka: wu-ftpd has had a history of security problems. If you don't want anything special, vs-ftpd might be ok. |
| 15:59.53 | Lee__ | our friend dpkg says devfs is obsolete and udev is "broken and shit". Which one sucks less? |
| 16:00.05 | fatal_ | Lee__: static device nodes? :) |
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| 16:00.18 | kados | greycat: sorry to bug you ... but I'm really having trouble here ... my machine can't ping off the local subnet (I can ping the gateway ... but no farther) but hosts outside the network can ping me ... any suggestions? |
| 16:00.30 | greycat | dpkg, wu is Washington University, home of such "fantastic" programs as wu-ftpd (wuut me harder!) and pine (non-free MUA). |
| 16:00.30 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 16:00.42 | fatal_ | Lee__: (I haven't seen any problems with udev, never tried devfs) |
| 16:00.43 | postel | kados: vi /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:00.45 | Lee__ | fatal_: that would imply that sarge's default sucks since it doesn't use static device nodes. |
| 16:00.49 | tchino | can someone help me, why i can't ping my server |
| 16:00.54 | kados | greycat: I was fooling around with postfix and mailman before this happened |
| 16:00.59 | fatal_ | Lee__: it does AFAIK... |
| 16:01.07 | kados | greycat: and I entered dselect and 'purged' postfix |
| 16:01.09 | fatal_ | Lee__: otoh, gnome depends on udev... so... |
| 16:01.19 | kados | greycat: that's the only serious thing I think I did |
| 16:01.23 | Lee__ | fatal_: it uses hotplug IIRC |
| 16:01.38 | fatal_ | Lee__: yes... you can have hotplug + static device nodes... |
| 16:01.43 | Lee__ | tchino: did you remember to put your server online? |
| 16:01.49 | Lee__ | fatal_: oh, cool. |
| 16:01.51 | luite | how can I redirect the stderr and stdout of a kernel compile to a logfile? 2>&1 > logfile doesn't work, because that only sends the make (and not the gcc) output to the file |
| 16:01.58 | greycat | 2>&1 goes last. |
| 16:02.33 | luite | greycat: ok, let me try again :) |
| 16:02.43 | asuffield | luite: 2>&1 redirects to fd 1 at this point in time. which is stdout. then you redirected fd 1 to a file |
| 16:02.45 | Xeros | can someone help me out with setting up an ati card? |
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| 16:02.58 | JoshH | Xeros: what card? |
| 16:03.09 | greycat | !faq Xeros |
| 16:03.10 | dpkg | Xeros: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:03.36 | Lee__ | !ati |
| 16:03.36 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 16:03.44 | Xeros | JoshH: debian sarge, kernel version 2.6, card is ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 340M |
| 16:03.56 | greycat | ^^ obsolete info. |
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| 16:04.08 | luite | asuffield: yes, that seems to be logical... to me at least... greycats suggestion does work, but I don't really understand why :) |
| 16:04.20 | Lee__ | excellent! the stuff at flavio's site worked for me with a radeon 9000 |
| 16:04.20 | greycat | luite: he tried to tell you why. |
| 16:04.27 | asuffield | luite: because then you redirect fd 1 to a file, then redirect fd 2 to fd 1, which is still the file |
| 16:04.36 | JoshH | Xeros: all you should have to do is tell X to use the driver radeon |
| 16:04.53 | JoshH | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:04.53 | greycat | Lee__: xserver-xorg works even better for my radeon 9000 |
| 16:04.58 | tchino | Lee_: i have the error, but why has the skyliner the ip-adress 192.168.1.33, when i write in /etc/hosts 192.168.1.2 for it? |
| 16:05.03 | asuffield | redirections aren't arguments, they're a sequence of commands |
| 16:05.17 | Xeros | hmmm so either radeon or xserver-xorg... |
| 16:05.31 | JoshH | Xeros: sarge has xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:05.34 | fatal_ | I'd rather use the xorg-x11 backport then installing the binary driver.... but that's my personal preferences. |
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| 16:05.45 | JoshH | do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and on the driver selection, choose radeon |
| 16:05.53 | greycat | !xorg sarge |
| 16:05.53 | dpkg | somebody said xorg sarge was http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 16:05.53 | Lee__ | greycat: but xorg isn't in sarge. |
| 16:05.59 | Lee__ | damn! |
| 16:06.05 | luite | asuffield: but when I redirect fd2 to fd1, and then fd1 to file, fd2 is now sent to the original fd1? |
| 16:06.08 | Lee__ | how's the risk been so far? |
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| 16:06.22 | greycat | luite: is *still* sent to the original fd1. |
| 16:06.30 | luite | yes that's what I mean |
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| 16:06.43 | luite | it makes more sense now |
| 16:06.45 | Lee__ | tchino: don't know. maybe you're doing some DNS shit |
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| 16:07.08 | tchino | Lee_: how can reconfigurate this |
| 16:07.12 | Xeros | JoshH: radeon isn't an option |
| 16:07.23 | fatal_ | Xeros: use ati |
| 16:07.32 | fatal_ | Xeros: the ati driver will trigger the radeon driver. |
| 16:07.49 | Xeros | fatal_: i am and it's not cooperating, it's giving me a weird ghosting effect or something |
| 16:07.56 | JoshH | ya, or you can edit XF86Config-4 manually to make it say radeon |
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| 16:08.22 | aeronadix | I think maybe the ati driver ruined my radeon card |
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| 16:09.21 | zimnyx | i got proper modules loaded (usbcore, usb-storage, uhci-hcd). usbview shows me that pendrive is plugged into usb, but i dunno which device file it is. dmesg doesn't tell me that |
| 16:09.30 | zimnyx | i know it should me scsi |
| 16:09.40 | Xeros | fatal_: any idea what could cause that? |
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| 16:10.08 | fatal_ | Xeros: no. |
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| 16:10.32 | Xeros | grr |
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| 16:10.54 | dpkg-reconfigure | :? |
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| 16:13.09 | euphor][a | hola |
| 16:13.21 | kados | ok ... I think I figured out what's going on ... when i uninstalled postfix it uninstalled mysql as well |
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| 16:13.34 | kados | so thats' easy to fix onece I get the network working again |
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| 16:14.07 | euphor][a | just installed debian but it errors on e100 module, is this not fixed in release? what can i do to skip using e100 |
| 16:14.20 | kados | can someone help me with that? I have a debian sarge box that I can ping from the outside ... but it can't ping anywhere but it's own IPs and the gateway |
| 16:15.03 | kados | when I restart the network I get the following message: Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCDELRT: No such process |
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| 16:15.14 | greycat | check the routing table |
| 16:15.16 | kados | the SIOCDELRT: No such process repeats four times |
| 16:15.55 | kados | !paste |
| 16:15.56 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 16:16.18 | xst | Is the debian repos for kde 3.4.1 down? Can't ping pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org |
| 16:16.50 | kados | greycat: when I run 'route' I get: |
| 16:16.51 | kados | 66.249.2.160 * 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 16:16.51 | kados | default 66.249.2.162 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 16:17.08 | kados | the default line repleats 5 times |
| 16:17.10 | olaphia | Can anyone tell me which debian version to download? There's like debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent up to 14...are they just different versions, and so do I just download v14? |
| 16:17.16 | kados | (I've got 5 IPs on this box) |
| 16:17.42 | kados | greycat: is that how I check the routing table? |
| 16:17.54 | kados | greycat: sorry but I'm not sure what to do next |
| 16:18.06 | kados | greycat: the *.162 address is the right gateway |
| 16:18.39 | PeterB | olaphia: No. There are 14 CDs of packages. You probably don't need all of them, the first only. Or you can get the netinst one, which has the base system only and downloads the rest when necessary. |
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| 16:18.51 | xoz | olaphia: or try the netinstall |
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| 16:19.27 | olaphia | Netinstall just downloads what you need then, instead of having to get multiple images?? |
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| 16:21.29 | kados | I've got a strange problem with a debian box ... I can ping to the box but not from it to the outside |
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| 16:21.39 | kados | I can ping the gateway |
| 16:21.44 | kados | but that's as far as I can get |
| 16:22.04 | xoz | olaphia: gives you the basic debian and allows you to install other packages later. |
| 16:23.15 | olaphia | Ok, thanks for your help xoz and Peter8. |
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| 16:24.19 | vchrizz | hi |
| 16:24.33 | vchrizz | how do i check what graphics card is used on a system? tested on my own box, couldnt find any useful information in /proc/ :( |
| 16:25.05 | PeterB | vchrizz: lspci might help. |
| 16:25.23 | vchrizz | and if its an agp card? |
| 16:25.24 | xoz | vchrizz: or a scredriver :) |
| 16:25.45 | xoz | vchrizz: lspci first, complain later |
| 16:25.49 | vchrizz | xoz: wont help if the box is a few miles away from me :P |
| 16:26.03 | xoz | vchrizz: or dmesg |
| 16:26.33 | LSorensen | vchrizz: lspci |
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| 16:26.49 | LSorensen | vchrizz: agp is a fancy pci interface |
| 16:27.26 | antgel | kados: tell us more about the network infrastructure |
| 16:27.42 | vchrizz | ok, thx, lspci showed it |
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| 16:28.03 | kados | antgel: it's a hosted box at my ISP |
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| 16:28.24 | kados | antgel: all I know is that I've got 5 IPs and there's a gateway on the same subnet |
| 16:28.40 | antgel | kados: so you ssh to the box at your isp and can't ping out. can you get out in any way? |
| 16:28.46 | kados | antgel: I can ping the gateway ... outside hosts can ping me ... but I can ping hosts off this box |
| 16:28.57 | kados | antgel: nope ... can't get out at all |
| 16:29.12 | antgel | kados: but you just said you can ping hosts from it |
| 16:29.30 | kados | antgel: I can ping the gateway only |
| 16:29.34 | JonnyRo | Can anyone help me work through compiling a custom kernel? |
| 16:29.39 | JonnyRo | i've been reading through the docs |
| 16:29.44 | kados | antgel: (it's the only other host on the subnet from what I can tell) |
| 16:29.44 | JonnyRo | but having a hard time with make-kpkg |
| 16:29.51 | JonnyRo | I want the 2.4.27 kernel |
| 16:29.54 | JonnyRo | with the kernel-patch-skas |
| 16:29.58 | JonnyRo | i'm using |
| 16:29.59 | antgel | kados: perhaps the gateway blocks outgoing pings |
| 16:30.16 | JonnyRo | make-kpkg --append-to-version=skas3 --added-patches skas --mkimage --initrd |
| 16:30.20 | kados | antgel: well I've tried ssh and that doesn't work either |
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| 16:30.47 | antgel | kados: can you ssh to the gateway? |
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| 16:31.20 | why-oh-why | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.20 | why-oh-why | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.22 | kados | antgel: connection refused ... so I guess yes |
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| 16:31.53 | greycat | that's a very odd parroty |
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| 16:32.25 | antgel | kados: is your isp responsible for managing this? |
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| 16:32.34 | kados | antgel: the gateway yes ... not my box |
| 16:32.44 | james_ | What kernel version should I get for an Intel Centrino? |
| 16:32.50 | kados | antgel: their toll-free line is down :-/ |
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| 16:33.13 | thingfish | james_: 686 |
| 16:33.16 | antgel | kados: new box? have you done much to it? |
| 16:33.24 | james_ | thingfish thought so, thanks |
| 16:33.28 | thingfish | np |
| 16:33.42 | Serpentwolf | mmm anyone have an idea how i could unmount /boot ? i have to move it to a another partition (space issue) |
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| 16:34.50 | LSorensen | Serpentwolf: umount /boot |
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| 16:35.00 | LSorensen | Serpentwolf: lsof can help find whatever is using it if anything |
| 16:35.15 | Serpentwolf | right thanks. |
| 16:35.23 | Serpentwolf | forgot about that |
| 16:36.22 | kados | antgel: not too new ... I've had it for a couple months now |
| 16:36.50 | kados | antgel: installed a few apps on it ... I was trying to setup a new mailing list when this prob started happening |
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| 16:37.55 | antgel | kados: are you using rfc1149? |
| 16:38.03 | antgel | kados: iptables -L? |
| 16:38.15 | jshriver | Greetings any chess players in here? I'm looking for a chess engine that plays Fischer Random Chess |
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| 16:38.42 | kados | antgel: no iptables |
| 16:38.48 | kados | antgel: rfc1149? |
| 16:39.13 | kados | antgel: iptables -L lists blank chains |
| 16:39.15 | kados | antgel: |
| 16:39.35 | antgel | kados: you seem to have so many connectivity problems, thought it might be rfc1149-based. speak to your isp. |
| 16:39.48 | greycat | !rfc1149 |
| 16:39.49 | dpkg | i guess rfc1149 is Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
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| 16:41.33 | chris__ | When I type in my SOHO server IP, 192.168.1.107 with the webmin port 10000 (192.168.1.107:10000) I get this message. |
| 16:41.33 | chris__ | " |
| 16:41.33 | chris__ | Error - Bad Request |
| 16:41.33 | chris__ | This web server is running in SSL mode. Try the URL https://server:10000/ instead. |
| 16:41.33 | chris__ | " |
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| 16:43.29 | euphor][a | anyone using e100 module with sarge? |
| 16:43.38 | antgel | ffs |
| 16:43.40 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 16:43.57 | Eclipser | euphor][a, _o/ |
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| 16:44.12 | Eclipser | !anyone use |
| 16:44.12 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:44.26 | Eclipser | !polls |
| 16:44.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 16:44.28 | AlexBO | HELLO! I've a problem with bz2. I've got a big tarball (1,6 GB) and I would like to compress it with bzip2, but the CPU works on 100% and after about 10 minutes the system crash because the CPU temperature is too high. How can I do? |
| 16:44.30 | euphor][a | Eclipser, did you have any problems with it? my install halts on loading e100 module :( |
| 16:44.42 | Eclipser | euphor][a, nope, it works perfectly |
| 16:44.51 | yoo | i wonder a question : what's the real difference between dselect and aptitude ? |
| 16:44.52 | antgel | AlexBO: don't overclock. |
| 16:45.00 | FieldySnuts | AlexBO: fix your system. improve airflow. clear out dust. install fans. re-apply the heat sink and thermal paste. etc etc |
| 16:45.07 | FieldySnuts | and if you are overclocking, don't. |
| 16:45.23 | yoo | what's it the better ? |
| 16:45.31 | euphor][a | Eclipser, hrm. know how to skip auto-detecting modules? |
| 16:45.39 | AlexBO | FieldySnuts: antgel: i've not overclocked it. i've got a laptop with AMD 64 3,4 GHZ |
| 16:45.54 | Eclipser | euphor][a, you're installing sarge? |
| 16:45.59 | euphor][a | Eclipser, yes |
| 16:46.02 | Eclipser | euphor][a, use expert26 mode |
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| 16:46.22 | Eclipser | does it give any error messages when it halts? |
| 16:46.28 | greycat | what kind of an idiotic company puts a 3.4 GHz chip in a laptop? |
| 16:46.29 | euphor][a | Eclipser, same, it say eeprom corrupted |
| 16:46.34 | Serpentwolf | LSorense_ worked. thanks |
| 16:46.37 | Eclipser | euphor][a, uh |
| 16:46.43 | Eclipser | euphor][a, faulty hardware? |
| 16:46.54 | antgel | AlexBO: my 1.8 laptop gets hot as fuck. there ya go. is it a mobile-specific processor? |
| 16:47.14 | AlexBO | antgel: i don't think so |
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| 16:47.22 | euphor][a | Eclipser, no, it seems a common problem but no answers in forums |
| 16:47.31 | Eclipser | funny |
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| 16:47.45 | antgel | AlexBO: you're answering your own question |
| 16:47.49 | Eclipser | my e100 (integrated on laptop) works perfectly |
| 16:47.53 | fab_ | hello |
| 16:47.53 | x-Al1gma | hello fab_ |
| 16:48.00 | Groggo | help how do i kill the firewall in Sarge in terminal |
| 16:48.04 | euphor][a | Eclipser, can i pass a kernel line to skip auto-detect? i'd like to not try and load e100 module if possible, can do? |
| 16:48.05 | AlexBO | antgel, so...aren't there solutions? |
| 16:48.14 | fab_ | Groggo: iptables -F ? |
| 16:48.26 | Eclipser | euphor][a, I don't know, never read the help files :p |
| 16:48.33 | euphor][a | Eclipser, lol |
| 16:48.55 | Groggo | fab_ ok that close the firewall? |
| 16:49.00 | euphor][a | how can i skip aut-detecting modules on boot? |
| 16:49.02 | antgel | AlexBO: apart from buy better hardware, splitting up your tar archive, blowing through the holes in the laptop really hard, i don't know of any. you could try putting it in the freezer. |
| 16:49.15 | fab_ | Groggo: what do you mean, "close" ? |
| 16:49.29 | fab_ | Groggo: it flushes the firewalling rules |
| 16:50.01 | Groggo | fab_ ok take down the firewall sรฅ i can gett access to port 22 |
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| 16:50.12 | AlexBO | antgel: :-) *lol*. well, there are two solutions: or I wait winter (I live in Italy) or I put my laptop in the server room (20ยฐC) of my workplace |
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| 16:51.38 | fab_ | Groggo: yes iptables -F should do that |
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| 16:54.51 | Groggo | fab_ it.s dosent work |
| 16:55.01 | AcEmAsTr | Evening, just installed Debian for the second time ever, i'm currently having to use USB to connect pc to modem, how can i get debian to pick up on this? |
| 16:55.03 | GRendel123 | finally conceded I may never get wireless SanDisk pcmcia to work under testing (no linux-wlan-ng package) and now I have a linksys but teh driver is not a package and Ihave to use ndiswrapper - is ther a list of wireless (pcmcia) nics that will work under debian? |
| 16:55.16 | rpmx | Hi how I deny part of domain with squid, for example www.tm.com/exchange |
| 16:55.27 | LSorensen | GRendel123: most of them would have been out of production for a couple of years |
| 16:55.44 | LSorensen | GRendel123: a list of cards with open source drivers on the other hand you can get |
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| 16:55.55 | LSorensen | GRendel123: just don't expect not to have to do at least some driver install on debian |
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| 16:56.38 | antgel | AcEmAsTr: i would ditch it and get an adsl ethernet router (assuming you have adsl) |
| 16:56.56 | fab_ | Groggo: /etc/init.d/iptables stop ? |
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| 16:57.26 | Groggo | fab_ tanks its working=) |
| 16:57.26 | neco-chan | hi |
| 16:57.34 | AcEmAsTr | i have cable, normally connected via ethernet, just not got RJ45 atm |
| 16:57.42 | GRendel123 | LSorensen: I tried for hours to get linux-wlan-ng installed from unstable but could not get the 2.4.27 packages to work together adn could not compile a 2.6 kernel mod ... |
| 16:57.44 | neco-chan | can someone please tell me what the debian equivalent to "yum" is? |
| 16:57.45 | mon | can anyone tell me how i find out which package a file belongs to? |
| 16:57.53 | LSorensen | AcEmAsTr: no network cable? |
| 16:57.55 | AcEmAsTr | no |
| 16:58.09 | LSorensen | AcEmAsTr: well it will be real hard to get the driver installed without the network cable to download stuff |
| 16:58.12 | AcEmAsTr | well yes but its built into the stairs, moved from upstairs down lol |
| 16:58.15 | stew | !wikifaq neco-chan PackageManagement |
| 16:58.15 | PeterB | neco-chan: What is "yum"? |
| 16:58.16 | dpkg | neco-chan: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:58.35 | LSorensen | AcEmAsTr: you can buy long network cables :) |
| 16:58.38 | AcEmAsTr | got a CD with drivers on, highly unlikely it'd work under linux |
| 16:58.53 | AcEmAsTr | its only got to go 6 feet now, but its buying and waiting for it |
| 16:59.04 | Ries | Can't get mysql started on debian testing, is this a know issue? |
| 16:59.06 | neco-chan | thank you dpkg |
| 16:59.11 | antgel | AcEmAsTr: ditch the usb. it's some kind of softmodem crap. use the ethernet. |
| 16:59.25 | stew | Ries: check the bts |
| 16:59.30 | LSorensen | AcEmAsTr: well usb cable and adsl modems generally just don't work with linux, unless they follow the usb networking standard (many cable modems do, almost no adsl modems do) |
| 16:59.34 | LSorensen | AcEmAsTr: ethernet just works |
| 16:59.37 | AcEmAsTr | kind of difficult without the network cable |
| 16:59.39 | Ries | dpkg, tell me about bts?!?! |
| 16:59.54 | stew | Ries: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:00.01 | LSorensen | AcEmAsTr: what kind of adsl modem is it? |
| 17:00.05 | Ries | stew: got it :) |
| 17:00.06 | AcEmAsTr | its not adsl |
| 17:00.09 | AcEmAsTr | its cable |
| 17:00.11 | AcEmAsTr | terryon |
| 17:00.17 | AcEmAsTr | -r |
| 17:00.20 | cantona | how can i play wmv, avi in totem? |
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| 17:00.24 | cantona | any plugins? |
| 17:00.33 | LSorensen | AcEmAsTr: is hotplug running? |
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| 17:00.42 | AcEmAsTr | hm? |
| 17:01.07 | AcEmAsTr | sorry don't understand what you mean |
| 17:01.08 | LSorensen | ame: try: modprobe usbnet |
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| 17:01.14 | LSorensen | er AcEmAsTr |
| 17:01.35 | AcEmAsTr | i want to get as much info as possible, this is the only pc i have atm |
| 17:01.38 | AcEmAsTr | means reboot |
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| 17:02.34 | LSorensen | AcEmAsTr: well if you are lucky, usbnet will work with it, and you can run dhcp and have it work, or if you are unlucky tereyon is proprietary usb interface and will never work with linux. |
| 17:02.52 | AcEmAsTr | worked before |
| 17:03.00 | LSorensen | AcEmAsTr: modprobe usbnet or one of the other usb net drivers in /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/usb/net/ might work |
| 17:03.19 | LSorensen | AcEmAsTr: usually hotplug will auto detect usb devices and load the right driver, if it knows about that device |
| 17:03.19 | vchrizz | thx PeterB, xoz, LSorensen for your help :) have a nice day, bye |
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| 17:03.41 | antgel | can somebody try downloading http://download.us.forge.objectweb.org/sync4j/sync4j-server-ds-4.2.0.zip please? mine hangs pretty quickly |
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| 17:06.11 | LSorensen | antgel: so try a different server |
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| 17:08.32 | trc | my sarge 2.6.x doesn't blink when i insert the multicard usb into the drive, no traces in /var/log/kern.log nor dmesg |
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| 17:08.58 | antgel | LSorensen: that's the ticket |
| 17:09.10 | muszti | quit |
| 17:09.22 | zinx | trc: then your wiring/controller/device are bad, or you don't have the *hci module(s) loaded |
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| 17:09.27 | LSorensen | trc: you mean you plug in a usb card reader and nothing happens? |
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| 17:09.34 | LSorensen | trc: lots happens here. is hotplug installed? |
| 17:09.35 | trc | yeap |
| 17:09.44 | trc | the wiring is good |
| 17:09.56 | LSorensen | trc: checked dmesg? |
| 17:10.05 | trc | lsmod lists all the modules, i m using stock kernel |
| 17:10.11 | snail | who do I take a screenshot of an x program? |
| 17:10.16 | trc | yeap. dmesg is mute about it |
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| 17:10.18 | novellino | sorry, i need help.. |
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| 17:10.32 | zinx | trc: at the very least, the kernel logs when a device is plugged in, even if it doesn't know which device it is |
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| 17:10.48 | GRendel123 | IS there any? wireless pcmcia card that jsut works under debian sarge with the drivers present (have sandisk and linksys and both want the driver in linux-wllan0ng which I cant seem to get installed) |
| 17:10.56 | snail | novellino: you'll need to tell us what your problem is, we're not telepathic |
| 17:11.04 | zinx | trc: you'll see something somewhat like: usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 |
| 17:11.12 | trc | zinx and LSorensen: here is what i get |
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| 17:11.30 | novellino | i would like to install debian on my pc |
| 17:11.33 | novellino | i'm a beginner |
| 17:11.33 | zinx | trc: if you don't, then you either don't have the proper USB modules loaded, the device is faulty, or your controller/wiring are faulty. |
| 17:11.38 | zinx | trc: no two ways around it |
| 17:11.42 | novellino | can i use partition magic? |
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| 17:11.53 | LSorensen | trc: try: modprobe ehci-hcd; modprobe uhci-hcd; modprobe ohci-hcd; modprobe usb-storage; modprobe sd_mod |
| 17:11.58 | rpmx | Hi, how I can deny part of domain with squid, for example www.tm.com/exchange but not www.tm.com ? |
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| 17:12.04 | snail | novellino: what kind of network connection do you have? |
| 17:12.15 | novellino | adsl |
| 17:12.16 | antgel | novellino: do you want to dual boot? |
| 17:12.23 | novellino | yes |
| 17:12.24 | trc | Aug 12 11:04:33 localhost kernel: cdrom: open failed. |
| 17:12.24 | trc | Aug 12 11:04:59 localhost kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 |
| 17:12.24 | trc | Aug 12 11:04:59 localhost kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A |
| 17:12.24 | trc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:12.28 | snail | novellino: you can certainly use partition magic to make a partition for debian |
| 17:12.31 | rpmx | deny tm.com is very easy pero extension :( |
| 17:12.43 | LSorensen | triotrh: lsmod|grep usb; do you see anything there? |
| 17:12.45 | Lur | hi |
| 17:12.46 | novellino | snail, can i go in pvt? |
| 17:13.10 | zinx | |grep hcd? :) |
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| 17:13.34 | vivek | hello all |
| 17:13.44 | vivek | how do i change my default login shell ? |
| 17:13.51 | zinx | vivek: chsh |
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| 17:14.06 | vivek | zinx: does that preserve the change on reboot ? |
| 17:14.09 | Lur | is there any application for debian that will burn an nrg cd image? |
| 17:14.21 | vivek | Lur: convert it to *.iso |
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| 17:14.28 | novellino | as i said i need to have multiboot chioce |
| 17:14.32 | vivek | nrg2iso ..... |
| 17:14.37 | Lur | yeah, tried |
| 17:14.39 | snail | novellino: if you do it in the channel then if i get busy someone else can help you... |
| 17:14.39 | zinx | vivek: why not try it? |
| 17:14.40 | trc | zinx and LSorensen: the modpro doesnt help. it was there already |
| 17:14.48 | Lur | ok |
| 17:14.49 | Lur | thanks |
| 17:14.50 | novellino | i understand.. |
| 17:14.51 | Agra | anyone know of some vpn like software that will keep a couple of ssh forwarded connections up all automatic-like? |
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| 17:14.54 | snail | novellino: yes, debian and windows? |
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| 17:15.09 | vivek | zinx: hmmz will zsh be my login shell ? |
| 17:15.15 | novellino | yes, what kind of partition i have to create? |
| 17:15.32 | zinx | vivek: that depends on what you tell it |
| 17:15.54 | mith | Agra: umm, ssh+cron+sh |
| 17:16.07 | trc | LSorensen, zinx: may be i should compile a kernel with Y instead of M? |
| 17:16.10 | antgel | novellino: just free up some space |
| 17:16.25 | novellino | and then? |
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| 17:16.52 | novellino | i have a 40G HD but some datas are present |
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| 17:17.01 | novellino | and i don't want to destroy them.. |
| 17:17.02 | Agra | mith: good ol' swiss army chainsaw approach still the best huh |
| 17:17.18 | zinx | trc: it won't help |
| 17:17.24 | trc | hmm |
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| 17:17.36 | ecliptik | what's a good gui or cli app to automatically download podcast feeds? |
| 17:17.47 | mith | Agra: eh, it's like a 2 line script and a pid file, not much to it. |
| 17:17.53 | snail | novellino: one of the early steps in installing debian allows to to create partitions any way you want, but it doesn't allow you to resize your windows partitions |
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| 17:17.57 | antgel | novellino: free up some space, then install debian in the free space. the point of using partition magic is that you can reduce the size of your winfuck partition, freeing up some unpartioned space |
| 17:17.58 | novellino | i was thinking to create a new partition then start from the cd |
| 17:18.14 | snail | novellino: resizing is the only thing to need to do before you start |
| 17:18.15 | trc | zinx: dont know what t do, may be in hald.conf, or in hotplug the problem hides |
| 17:18.18 | antgel | novellino: from the sound of it, i would back up your datas first |
| 17:18.57 | novellino | i'm sorri, but what do you mean by "free up some space" |
| 17:19.10 | novellino | (my english is not so good....i can misunderstand..) |
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| 17:19.42 | antgel | novellino: make your winfuck partition smaller. there will then be some free space on the drive (unpartitioned). install debian. |
| 17:19.47 | antgel | !it |
| 17:19.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:19.51 | mjanek | hi everyone, i have a question: i'm setting up lvm2 on a debian box (2.6.8-2)...is there snapshot support? i keep getting this message whenever i use lvcreate snapshot: Required device-mapper target(s) not detected in your kernel |
| 17:19.54 | zinx | trc: if the kernel isn't announcing a new device, then it can't be many things |
| 17:19.56 | snail | novellino: shrink the windows partitoin so you have room for a debian partition |
| 17:20.07 | zinx | trc: i've already told you the things it could be twice now, i'm not going to repeat them further. |
| 17:20.15 | trc | ok |
| 17:20.36 | trc | thats economy of keystrokes (&ก&) |
| 17:20.48 | zinx | more for my sanity |
| 17:21.01 | novellino | i will try in debian-it... |
| 17:21.07 | novellino | thanks for your halp!!! |
| 17:21.12 | novellino | help.. |
| 17:21.20 | tech13 | sshd on Debian Sarge, how do i get it to log failed attempts on valid usernames? |
| 17:21.21 | novellino | bye |
| 17:21.26 | antgel | ciao |
| 17:21.54 | antgel | tech13: i thought it did this by default. checked auth.log? |
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| 17:22.46 | tech13 | antgel, auth.log has alot of invalid username entrys, though it was just poor guessing, so i failed to log into my system with a good username, then checked the logs. nothing. |
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| 17:24.40 | tech13 | antgel, is it just a side effect of using publickey auth only? (keyboard interative login off) |
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| 17:24.46 | antgel | tech13: i'm not a lot of help here, but it's probably a pam setting, rather than an ssh setting. |
| 17:24.56 | antgel | tech13: don't know, turn it on and try it |
| 17:25.37 | tbrown68 | I want to put static routes into my debian sarge gateway. Where do I put them so the routes are available after a reboot? |
| 17:26.11 | greycat | !static route |
| 17:26.11 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:27.03 | zophyx | is there a way to reset a raq3i without cycling the power ? |
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| 17:29.25 | antgel | zophyx: is it running debian? |
| 17:29.51 | tbrown68 | greycat: ah! thank you! |
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| 17:30.46 | zophyx | antgel: oh yes |
| 17:31.03 | antgel | zophyx: shutdown -r now |
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| 17:31.41 | nvz | nuthin profitable about your propaganda / fools follow rules when the set commands ya |
| 17:32.10 | antgel | that takes me back to when i thought i was a rebel |
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| 17:32.36 | zophyx | antgel: the problem is that i can't login and i don't want to power off on the mounted filesystems |
| 17:32.45 | ma3x | for some reason cdemu tries to load on bootup |
| 17:32.51 | ma3x | how can i remove it from the modules? |
| 17:32.55 | ma3x | its not listed in /etc/modules |
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| 17:33.41 | eka | how do i create non local accounts for vsftpd? |
| 17:34.08 | antgel | zophyx: long shot, if it has a serial port, you might be able to log in with a null modem cable, depends if your kernel supports it, which i'm guessing it doesn't by default. and don't know if the box has a serial port. |
| 17:34.15 | deadcat | eka: virtual accounts? i thik you need a sql database for those. |
| 17:34.16 | nvz | eka: you mean how do you add a user to your system and/or how do you disable local logins for that user? |
| 17:34.42 | mateus | www.uol.com.br |
| 17:35.03 | zophyx | antgel: heh, i neglected to create any user accounts |
| 17:35.10 | eka | nvz: i dont want local logins |
| 17:35.18 | zophyx | here goes the power switch |
| 17:35.30 | eka | nvz: an how to use another logins |
| 17:35.34 | antgel | zophyx: including root? |
| 17:36.00 | zophyx | including root |
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| 17:36.21 | antgel | surely the installer doesn't let you get away with such crazy behaviour |
| 17:36.36 | nvz | eka: I don't yet know what you are asking. for my services I create users with adduser and remove their logon privlages by setting their shell to something like /bin/false or their password to ! or * |
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| 17:36.47 | zophyx | debootstrap does |
| 17:36.53 | eka | nvz: ok that can be |
| 17:38.06 | nvz | eka: thats how I setup my samba users. their homes are in /srv/samba/<username> and they can't login locally or through ssh because their passwords are disabled.. samba passwords are kept in a separate file |
| 17:38.10 | eka | nvz: but i dont want everyone to log in via ftp |
| 17:38.40 | nvz | I've never ran an ftp server on linux not really sure what the options are as far as that goes |
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| 17:39.36 | zophyx | is there anything special i need to do when i create the root user ? |
| 17:39.55 | nvz | I never had to create a root user |
| 17:40.06 | nvz | base-config usually takes care of such things |
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| 17:41.04 | eka | nvz: so you are telling me that you run vsftp on a win machine? |
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| 17:41.23 | nvz | eka: I havent ran an ftp in like 10 years and yes it was on a windows machine |
| 17:41.24 | Petaris | Can someone enlighten me as to why the installation of imagemagick would want to downgrade my kernel back to 2.4.27-2-386? |
| 17:41.55 | zophyx | nvz: thanks for the clue |
| 17:42.06 | equex | i had problems with imagmagick too. i think the pagage is broken |
| 17:42.14 | Petaris | I run vsftp |
| 17:42.29 | Petaris | equex: ahh |
| 17:42.41 | Petaris | equex: but gd2 wants to do the same thing? |
| 17:42.59 | equex | dont know |
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| 17:43.27 | nvz | Petaris: type just apt-get -f install |
| 17:43.32 | nvz | see what that wants to do |
| 17:43.38 | nvz | without package names |
| 17:43.40 | Petaris | what is -f? |
| 17:43.52 | trc | zinx: all my hci are loaded, the wiring is good, i have in tty1 constantly usb 2-1: control timeout on ep0in echoed, i added user trc to group scanner, but still cant use scanner (rot can) after login out and back, the scanner is usb, i suspect some problem somewhere |
| 17:44.03 | nvz | Petaris: fix-broken |
| 17:44.15 | Petaris | nvz: I doesn't want to do anything apparently |
| 17:44.19 | nvz | Petaris: its a switch that controls the magic smoke valve |
| 17:44.29 | deadcat | what the f. my ibm 128MB usb drive is detected as sda AND sdb |
| 17:44.42 | eka | i need to deny access of normal users to vsftp only those with ftp group how i do that |
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| 17:44.47 | nvz | use the fdisk, deadcat |
| 17:44.49 | nvz | heh |
| 17:44.52 | zinx | trc: scanners are notoriously bad.. but your problem is permissions now, most likely |
| 17:45.07 | nvz | its happened to me before I seen them both in dmesg, but fdisk only seen one as being a disk |
| 17:45.17 | deadcat | nvz: for what? (=... its sda and sdb, they are both partitions sda1 and sdb1 |
| 17:45.38 | deadcat | nvz: just ignore it then? |
| 17:45.41 | deadcat | bad ibm (= |
| 17:45.43 | trc | zinx: ls /dev/usb shows only lp0 |
| 17:45.55 | Petaris | eka: did you read the install docs? |
| 17:46.04 | trc | nothing else, udev should have created scanner, it didnt |
| 17:46.07 | Petaris | eka: as I remember it is in there |
| 17:46.37 | eka | Petaris: where is install doc |
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| 17:46.47 | eka | Petaris: i read man |
| 17:47.00 | deadcat | nvz: actually its Microdia iFlash SM-Direct Card Reader <- from lsusb -v.. ibm put their logo on it (= |
| 17:47.01 | eka | Petaris: i used apt-get |
| 17:47.03 | zinx | trc: your scanner likely uses libusb |
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| 17:47.09 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.17 | gnetux | hi every one |
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| 17:47.30 | nvz | deadcat: yeah, well what did you expect |
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| 17:47.49 | deadcat | nvz: i guess. its free though. |
| 17:48.05 | Petaris | eka: have you tried #vsftp |
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| 17:48.37 | eka | Petaris: yea nobody there |
| 17:48.45 | nvz | deadcat: the company that manufactures things and the one that markets them is usually different.. the same company makes XBOX, Handspring Wireless Phones, Palm PCs..etc but they are all marketed by someone else |
| 17:48.57 | zinx | trc: the files are in /proc/bus/usb/ |
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| 17:49.57 | deadcat | nvz: true... i got a wifi finder (IBM Kensington) as well. heheh. i bet it works but i mean its just 3 LED lights blinking. hahaha |
| 17:50.08 | nvz | deadcat: these commercial marketing and stockholding companies want to subcontract that work out.. usually to some place in mexico, taiwan, china or somewhere where they can get cheap production labor.. and prefarably all materials are available onsite |
| 17:50.31 | Petaris | eka: the docs are here /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/ |
| 17:50.35 | initiate | how can i give a permission to my normal account so i could use bittornado without being logged as root ? |
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| 17:51.06 | nvz | deadcat: the company that made the xbox was in fact in mexico and from what I heard it was made from scratch on-site silicon and all.. reduces manufacturing cost |
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| 17:52.59 | lilliput | hello is alioth.debian.org down ? |
| 17:53.11 | trc | zinx: ls -lR /dev 1 grep sca shows nothing; where should I fix permissions (for scanner, which uses libusb) |
| 17:53.20 | zinx | trc: i told you |
| 17:53.27 | zinx | trc: /proc/bus/usb/ |
| 17:53.45 | zinx | trc: if you want it to stick, however, use hotplug to change the perms |
| 17:53.48 | trc | zinx: thanx |
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| 17:55.05 | trc | zinx: disconnecting the multicard got 'Message from syslogd@localhost at Fri Aug 12 13:53:43 2005 ... localhost kernel: Disabling IRQ #193' |
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| 17:56.39 | nvz | just dropped a case of redbull now I got 4 unstable 8.3 oz cans |
| 17:57.02 | nvz | they arent that cold anyhow.. think I need to take 3 of them back to the fridge |
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| 18:00.25 | mjanek | hi everyone, i have a question: i'm setting up lvm2 on a debian box (2.6.8-2)...is there snapshot support? i keep getting this message whenever i use lvcreate snapshot: Required device-mapper target(s) not detected in your kernel |
| 18:00.56 | nvz | drinking redbull tastes like eating a whole pack of smarties candy |
| 18:00.56 | mjanek | any hints or ideas? thanks in advance! :) |
| 18:01.22 | nvz | dpkg, any ideas? |
| 18:01.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of sex-crazed weasels. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 18:01.29 | Ronin | nvz: and it doesnt work for me either, last redbull i drank i went to sleep afterwards |
| 18:02.13 | nite613_ | Is there a single package that lists dependencies for everything required for a base system? |
| 18:02.31 | nvz | Ronin: yeah well I use it to mix liqueur with. helps equalize the down side of the alcohol as well as the taste in some cases |
| 18:02.38 | nite613 | basically the state of the machine after an install but before apt-get'ing anything else |
| 18:03.01 | nvz | Ronin: I dont really care for it plain as its too expensive and doesnt really taste that good. |
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| 18:03.41 | docgnome | how can I figure out what /dev a usb device is? |
| 18:03.45 | nvz | Ronin: makes this Jagermeister taste like kool aid though |
| 18:04.03 | deadcat | docgnome: try dmesg or lsusb |
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| 18:05.14 | lzy | aptitude remove nvi ... aptitude install vim ... (am i sane?) |
| 18:05.24 | deadcat | lzy: no. |
| 18:05.37 | Gathond | lzy: why bother removing nvi? |
| 18:05.58 | deadcat | lzy: ya. .00000001MB of space aint gonna do much harm to you. (= |
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| 18:06.04 | lzy | because i run like a coward to nvi, whenever i cant figure out vim |
| 18:06.19 | deadcat | lzy: then dont use vim |
| 18:07.27 | lzy | wow.. is vim vs nvi as taboo as a topic as vi vs emacs ? |
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| 18:08.10 | Reilithion | Salutations! |
| 18:08.19 | eeyore- | lzy: nothing is taboo |
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| 18:08.29 | docgnome | deadcat: dmesg is no help, and lsusb just says Bus 001 Device 012 blah blah blah. most usb devices on my other deb box show up as /dev/sdaX this one doesn't as far as i can see |
| 18:08.43 | nvz | Reilithion: salut |
| 18:08.48 | eeyore- | lzy: not even having Germans teach Americans how to sing the national anthem :-) |
| 18:08.57 | Reilithion | nvz: isn't salut French for "goodbye"? |
| 18:09.03 | ricky_clarkson | Reilithion: hello |
| 18:09.07 | nvz | Reilithion: hello |
| 18:09.09 | ricky_clarkson | And it's informal. |
| 18:09.10 | deadcat | docgnome: what device is it? |
| 18:09.16 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 18:09.17 | dpkg | <Azar> jm, I do not have irc, how could I get in another way? |
| 18:09.32 | Reilithion | Guess my French is a little rusty |
| 18:09.33 | docgnome | deadcat: It's a familiar based ipaq. |
| 18:09.43 | deadcat | docgnome: theres a module name to load |
| 18:09.55 | eeyore- | docgnome: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 18:09.57 | nvz | yeah mine too only studied it for 6 weeks and that was 10 years ago |
| 18:09.58 | docgnome | deadcat: oh right. i forgot. duh *smacks self* |
| 18:10.24 | deadcat | docgnome: ipaq (= heheh i have the module compiled but i dont own one (= i have a visor though |
| 18:10.32 | nvz | I studied Spanish for about 4-5 years through school but I never really used it for anything so its not really stuck with me |
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| 18:11.05 | docgnome | deadcat: i did this a while back when i was first getting it up and running... differnt box now. so. *shrug* |
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| 18:11.21 | Reilithion | ok, so I'm having a couple of troubles. I'll start with what I think is the easier one. |
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| 18:11.28 | neuonyx | 'lo |
| 18:11.31 | neuonyx | :) |
| 18:11.35 | deadcat | docgnome: put ipaq in /etc/modules |
| 18:11.42 | neuonyx | to se testing instead of stable, i just modify my sources.list |
| 18:11.42 | neuonyx | ? |
| 18:11.47 | nvz | When I was in 7th grade we had to study foreign language we took 6 weeks of Latin, French, German and Spanish. I also liked to study italian on my own, and I persued the Spanish after 7th grade |
| 18:11.49 | Reilithion | I'm trying to make a shell script that'll invoke ifup ath0 with root permissions |
| 18:11.51 | neuonyx | and insert 'testing' in front of 'stable' and 'main' ?? |
| 18:11.55 | Reilithion | I wrote it like so: |
| 18:12.08 | Reilithion | #!/bin/bash |
| 18:12.11 | Reilithion | ifup ath0 |
| 18:12.12 | nvz | was a bit strange taking a 6 week intro to 4 different languages in one year but I think it was a good idea |
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| 18:12.28 | Reilithion | it's owned by root and has the setuid bit |
| 18:12.38 | eeyore- | Reilithion: shell scripts can't be run setuid |
| 18:12.46 | eeyore- | Reilithion: thank you, please try again later |
| 18:12.47 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I learned a bit of Italian while in Italy, a bit of German and French in school, a bit of Spanish while in Spain, and more Spanish now - the www.bbc.co.uk learning stuff is pretty nice. |
| 18:13.12 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, and I picked up a couple of Welsh words last weekend. ;) |
| 18:13.21 | ricky_clarkson | !welsh |
| 18:13.22 | dpkg | Tom Jones |
| 18:13.27 | Reilithion | eeyore- Ok, so how can I make something that'll let normal users run ifup ath0 as root? |
| 18:13.34 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I've never been outside the US. never really past Texas mostly on the east coast my whole life. |
| 18:13.39 | ecobit | what is the leading 802.11g chipset for use with linux? i have a prism 2.5/b but am thinking of trying g |
| 18:13.53 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Ever wonder why bother learning languages then? |
| 18:13.55 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: If I had situations where I used the language skills they probably would have developed further |
| 18:14.03 | stew | ecobit: prism54 has the best opensource support |
| 18:14.07 | ricky_clarkson | I'd guess Spanish would be useful in parts of the US. |
| 18:14.21 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: its a scholastic requirement not only for high school but college as well |
| 18:14.37 | ecobit | stew: thanks. what does it use? native kernel drivers? or 3rd party? |
| 18:14.41 | sigma957 | LIST #ratpoi |
| 18:14.48 | stew | ecobit: native |
| 18:14.49 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: and spanish is like officially the 3rd language of america.. aside from english and bad english (slang, ebonics) |
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| 18:14.55 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: In the UK you have to do at least one foreign language for GCSEs (qualifications taken at end of high school). |
| 18:15.08 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I kind of saw a hole in my school's system and didn't do any. |
| 18:15.19 | mantero | hi |
| 18:15.20 | ecobit | stew: thanks. i've been happy with hostap with prism 2.5 but unfortunately they don't support an g cards |
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| 18:15.27 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: high school and most colleges in the US require 2years of a language minimum |
| 18:15.39 | ricky_clarkson | I went to two high schools, and the foreign languages were taught in the most smelly and crap rooms in the schools. |
| 18:16.07 | stew | ecobit: i've never tried any of my G cards in master mode, if you are planning on that, you might wanna ask #wireless |
| 18:16.14 | nvz | damn it |
| 18:16.23 | nvz | started choaking when I took that shot |
| 18:16.35 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: What kind of shot? |
| 18:16.38 | nvz | luckily I am using a full sized glass and not a shot glass.. was easier to spit it out |
| 18:16.52 | nvz | Jagermeister |
| 18:16.53 | Vladi | hi, im trying to write a bash script that executes some commands only if there are files present in the current directory can somone tell me how i can check for that? |
| 18:17.07 | Reilithion | Ok, so how can I make something that'll let normal users run ifup ath0 with root privileges? |
| 18:17.11 | ricky_clarkson | Vladi: man test |
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| 18:17.19 | ricky_clarkson | Reilithion: sudo |
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| 18:17.25 | nvz | my throat got like really itchy and irratated just as I was drinking it and I had to cough |
| 18:17.31 | luminerd | Hey, I got the Ubuntu package of Firefox, but only Konqueror gets me to the web pages I need to get to...It will keep trying to connect for ages, and then say it couldn't...any ideas? |
| 18:17.44 | ricky_clarkson | luminerd: Wrong channel. |
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| 18:17.48 | defcon8 | luminerd, this is a debian channel |
| 18:17.57 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 18:17.58 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
| 18:17.59 | Vladi | ricky_clarkson: well i need to test if any files exist in that dir not a specific one |
| 18:18.21 | luminerd | I know, but the package management is the same and the program is cross-platform, and I'm devoiced from #ubuntu for unknown reasons :/ |
| 18:18.22 | ricky_clarkson | Vladi: 'that dir'? |
| 18:18.31 | nvz | luminerd: konqueror is really good about willingly lying to servers that want to see nutscrape or internet exploader |
| 18:18.38 | ricky_clarkson | luminerd: Try Debian. |
| 18:18.40 | Vladi | ricky_clarkson: "/test/" lets say |
| 18:18.47 | nvz | luminerd: talk to the staff or operators |
| 18:18.48 | eeyore- | Reilithion: sudo |
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| 18:18.53 | BourneAgain | Hello, I have a rather dumb question. How to a install a latter version of a debian package that is not availiable via apt? |
| 18:19.07 | ricky_clarkson | BourneAgain: dpkg -i thepackage.deb |
| 18:19.08 | eeyore- | BourneAgain: by hand |
| 18:19.16 | Vladi | ricky_clarkson: need to check if there are ANY files in "/test/" before i do some other stuff |
| 18:19.23 | nvz | I dont know about #ubuntu.. but in #debian from my experience staff will not overrule ops. because they say this channel is owned by the debian group |
| 18:19.24 | ricky_clarkson | Vladi: man test |
| 18:20.25 | Vladi | ricky_clarkson: reading and it seems u have to specify a file and then it checks i cant specify a file cause the contents of that dir change often sometimes there is nothig sometimes there are files |
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| 18:20.34 | ricky_clarkson | Vladi: A directory is a file. |
| 18:20.41 | nvz | Vladi: a dir is a file |
| 18:20.41 | BourneAgain | ricky_clarkson: Thanks. Would you happen to know a good tutorial for compilation methods and package creation for Debian? |
| 18:20.55 | ricky_clarkson | !tell BourneAgain about newmaint |
| 18:20.59 | Vladi | ricky_clarkson,nvz: ok thanks that makes more sense |
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| 18:21.13 | ricky_clarkson | BourneAgain: What's compilation methods? |
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| 18:21.22 | luminerd | ricky_clarkson, no, all these machines are all set up and whatnot...I first was going to go with Debian but it had a problem...but all distros do but I settled on Ubuntu since it was the most recent one I configured that had the problem fixed :/ |
| 18:21.25 | nvz | Vladi: virtually everything under linux is thought of as a file. there are different categories of files |
| 18:21.28 | ricky_clarkson | You compile. Does that need a method? |
| 18:21.41 | zaphoid | Excuse me, but when I try to install the latest ATI XOrg drivers. I get an error saying there is no kernel module build enviroment. Does anybody know which packages I need to install to get a working enviroment for the auto-installer from ATI to work? |
| 18:21.42 | Vladi | ricky_clarkson,nvz: ok so test -s /test/ ? |
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| 18:21.45 | nvz | directories, pipes, device nodes, soft links, hard links |
| 18:22.04 | stew | zaphoid: are you following flavio's instructions? |
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| 18:22.21 | zaphoid | I have not heard of flavio. |
| 18:22.25 | czon | when i partition for a dual boot system, should "boot flag" stay on the ntfs partition or should i create partition / with bootflag? |
| 18:22.27 | stew | zaphoid: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 18:22.30 | zaphoid | Thanks |
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| 18:22.38 | VoX | hmm guess i wont be upgrading sid for a few days :) |
| 18:22.38 | nvz | czon: leave it on the ntfs one |
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| 18:22.46 | nvz | czon: windows cares, linux doesnt |
| 18:22.54 | ricky_clarkson | Vladi: Not quite. test was a starting point, not a good one it seems ;) |
| 18:22.54 | czon | nvz: ok thx alot |
| 18:23.08 | ricky_clarkson | Vladi: If you do ls -1 /emptydirectory/ you get no output. |
| 18:23.19 | ricky_clarkson | That's -1=minus one, not minus ell. |
| 18:23.19 | stew | and i think windows doesn't even care once you replace their bootloader |
| 18:23.19 | Angel-SL | hey |
| 18:23.26 | nvz | czon: in most cases its best to have windows installed and running on /dev/hda1 before installing linux.. then installing linux on freespace after that and putting a bootloader in the mbr (/dev/hda) |
| 18:23.26 | Angel-SL | where do i get unrar |
| 18:23.33 | eeyore- | Vladi: i don't think "test" figures out if a directory is empty or not |
| 18:23.37 | ricky_clarkson | Vladi: Try #bash for better info. |
| 18:23.37 | BourneAgain | ricky_clarkson: Thanks, I am new to linux. Have to compile and install PVM. The stable release version for PVM will not work with a SMP Kernel. |
| 18:23.42 | Vladi | ricky_clarkson: thanks ! |
| 18:23.45 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: I thought it might, but it doesn't. |
| 18:23.49 | eeyore- | Vladi: because i don't know of a better way, i would "find /path -type f | wc -l" |
| 18:23.50 | Angel-SL | oy |
| 18:23.51 | Angel-SL | oy |
| 18:23.56 | ricky_clarkson | !pvm |
| 18:24.01 | nvz | Angel-SL: unrar-nonfree iirc though non-free doesnt exist so its probably just in main but (maybe?) still called unrar-nonfree |
| 18:24.06 | luminerd | Is there another full-featured web browser? I do not like Konqueror at all and Firefox obviously isn't working :/ |
| 18:24.10 | nvz | or was that non-us we got rid of |
| 18:24.14 | Angel-SL | !unrar |
| 18:24.14 | dpkg | [unrar] a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 18:24.16 | nvz | I am lit up already |
| 18:24.23 | Angel-SL | !unrar-free |
| 18:24.23 | dpkg | well, unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 18:24.24 | eeyore- | Vladi: that will give you either a "0" or non-zero :) |
| 18:24.26 | ricky_clarkson | luminerd: mozilla, galeon, epiphany. |
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| 18:24.36 | luminerd | ricky_clarkson, mozilla==firefox, no? |
| 18:24.40 | Angel-SL | where do i get them? |
| 18:24.41 | ricky_clarkson | luminerd: Right. |
| 18:24.43 | ricky_clarkson | No. |
| 18:24.43 | Angel-SL | aptget? |
| 18:24.44 | eeyore- | Vladi: if zero, well, there is no file in that directory |
| 18:24.45 | RichiH | luminerd: no |
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| 18:24.55 | luminerd | Oh...wow, ok |
| 18:24.56 | RichiH | Angel-SL: yes |
| 18:24.57 | Vladi | eeyore-: ok works great thx |
| 18:24.57 | ricky_clarkson | !info rar |
| 18:24.59 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 419 kB |
| 18:24.59 | czon | nvz: ok well im a newb and dont get what your trying to tell me but ill try figure it out. ill keep bootflag on ntfs partition ;) |
| 18:25.00 | luminerd | thanks |
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| 18:25.02 | BourneAgain | ricky_clarkson: It is for distributed processing on a cluster. I just set up the cluster, everything works except the program it was setup to run :) |
| 18:25.08 | BourneAgain | PVM |
| 18:25.18 | ricky_clarkson | !search pvm |
| 18:25.37 | smhar | my god .. my isp went crazy.. half the web is 404 and the rest points to BigRedSky e-Recruitment Solutions |
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| 18:25.47 | ricky_clarkson | smhar: DNS probably. |
| 18:25.57 | Angel-SL | :( |
| 18:26.08 | Angel-SL | the apt-get doesnt work/ |
| 18:26.19 | ricky_clarkson | !doesn't work |
| 18:26.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:26.27 | nite613 | When I finish a new install, are the packages in "base" the only ones on the system? |
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| 18:26.41 | Angel-SL | E: Package unrar-nonfree has no installation candidate |
| 18:26.48 | Angel-SL | E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
| 18:26.55 | ricky_clarkson | Angel-SL: Try rar. |
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| 18:26.58 | kados | I'm having some strange network problems: my sarge box can't get past the local subnet (I can ping the gateway) but I can get to it from an outside box (on a different subnet) |
| 18:27.02 | stew | Angel-SL: did you add non-free sources? |
| 18:27.10 | stew | Angel-SL: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 18:27.17 | kados | asside from being a gateway problem ... is there anything else it could be? |
| 18:27.19 | nvz | nite613: yes. when you boot into 2nd stage install from the hard disk, it runs base-config on the first run which is a script to guide you through the stage 2 at the end you will be provided with options to use tasksel or aptitude to install more |
| 18:27.20 | Angel-SL | same err |
| 18:27.26 | Angel-SL | !non-free |
| 18:27.26 | dpkg | [non-free] always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
| 18:27.26 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Would rar be in a different package to unrar? |
| 18:27.28 | kados | (my ISB is looking into the gateway issue) |
| 18:27.42 | BourneAgain | ricky_clarkson: Thanks, I am going to check with the PVM community, but it looks like the stable package of PVM needs updateing. |
| 18:27.43 | kados | (ISP that is) |
| 18:27.49 | smhar | ricky_clarkson, this is what I told them.. it is started with google 2 days ago and now the whole web.. |
| 18:28.02 | ricky_clarkson | kados: Can you connect to external sites? |
| 18:28.06 | deadcat | Angel-SL: non-free is better than illegal software (= |
| 18:28.08 | stew | ricky_clarkson: there are two pacakges, rar and unrar and they are both in non-free |
| 18:28.09 | kados | ricky_clarkson: no ... |
| 18:28.12 | smhar | ricky_clarkson, it might be their transperant proxy as well |
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| 18:28.22 | ricky_clarkson | smhar: You can configure your own DNS. |
| 18:28.23 | nite613 | nvz: so all you REALLY need to have a working debian is the base package set and having had run base-config, right? |
| 18:28.32 | kados | ricky_clarkson: can't ping ssh or wget anything outside the local .248 subnet |
| 18:28.53 | BourneAgain | kados: But you are on IRC? :) |
| 18:28.55 | nite613 | I mean, the installation procedure is more complex than that, but at the end of stage2, no other packages are on the system? |
| 18:28.56 | smhar | ricky_clarkson, how is that? simple? I tried using few proxies with ff but it is the same |
| 18:29.05 | Fluten | I am trying to enable an option in 2.6, but it is hidden. how can i find out what options i need to enable to make it visible? |
| 18:29.12 | kados | BourneAgain: not my machine ;-) ... a hosted box off-site |
| 18:29.14 | ricky_clarkson | smhar: Try pinging things. |
| 18:29.18 | Angel-SL | Sighs |
| 18:29.32 | Angel-SL | where do i get THEM? |
| 18:29.40 | stew | Angel-SL: did you add non-free sources? |
| 18:29.45 | Angel-SL | HOW? |
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| 18:29.53 | ricky_clarkson | apt-setup |
| 18:29.55 | Angel-SL | WHat are they? |
| 18:29.57 | deadcat | Angel-SL: calm down |
| 18:30.04 | stew | Angel-SL: /msg dpkg non-free ; man sources.list |
| 18:30.07 | xbm-x | gello |
| 18:30.18 | zophyx | how can i fix this: Setting up debconf (1.4.30.13) ... |
| 18:30.24 | zophyx | Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 21. |
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| 18:30.36 | stew | Angel-SL: "...add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line" |
| 18:30.48 | xbm-x | hello every one |
| 18:30.49 | nvz | nite613: base-config isnt a requirement. it just guides you through getting started with things like creating the root account and password, creating user accounts, setting settings like timezone and encrypted passwords.. etc then gives you the option to use tasksel and/or aptitude to install more stuff. I normally just skip the tasksel/aptitude and login as root and apt-get the essentials. build-essential kernel-package fakeroor libncurses5-de |
| 18:30.52 | lilliput | hello is alioth.debian.org down ? |
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| 18:31.24 | stew | lilliput: yes |
| 18:31.27 | zophyx | debconf: Config database not specified in config file. |
| 18:31.30 | zophyx | pffffffft |
| 18:31.38 | nvz | lilliput: www.samspade.org is a neat site to use for things like that. online network troubleshooting tools |
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| 18:31.51 | nvz | lilliput: you can ping, whois..etc from a remote location |
| 18:31.57 | xbm-x | i got a question is it better for me to buy a mac and set up debian on it or get a normal pc and set up on it? |
| 18:32.08 | lilliput | nvz, I mean by down is it normal ? |
| 18:32.24 | kados | I don't have etherreal installed on this box and I can't very well install it with my connection not working ... is there some way I can diagnose the traffic using cat? |
| 18:32.25 | nvz | shit happens |
| 18:32.35 | nvz | happened twice for me today |
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| 18:32.44 | nvz | and its only 2:30 |
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| 18:32.55 | xbm-x | hello |
| 18:32.56 | x-Al1gma | hello xbm-x |
| 18:33.04 | antoniojulio | hi i use a squid and sarg for logs , it's posible show the ip and hostname in top user log html? please |
| 18:33.05 | xbm-x | whats better for me |
| 18:33.13 | nvz | xbm-x: stfu |
| 18:33.22 | nvz | ;) |
| 18:33.24 | smhar | ricky_clarkson, definetly a DNS problem.. I can reach sites by IP |
| 18:33.28 | xbm-x | mac or normal pc so i caN SET UP DEBIAN |
| 18:33.41 | nvz | xbm-x: it would be better for you to make up your own mind |
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| 18:34.01 | nvz | I would use a mac if I could afford one.. just to see how debian-ppc works |
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| 18:34.11 | nvz | but I get x86 crap for free |
| 18:34.13 | Angel-SL | AGGH!@! |
| 18:34.14 | stew | i would buy a mac if they would put 3 buttons on their laptops |
| 18:34.15 | nvz | so I cant complain |
| 18:34.20 | nvz | heh |
| 18:34.25 | stew | actually maybe not, i would want a trackpoint too |
| 18:34.31 | nvz | yeah that one button mouse is hurting |
| 18:34.39 | xbm-x | thanks alot u nerds |
| 18:34.47 | stew | nvz: they actually started making a 3 button external mouse |
| 18:34.49 | deadcat | xbm-x: now go cry like a bitch |
| 18:34.59 | concept10 | heh |
| 18:35.01 | stew | "mighty mouse": http://www.apple.com/ |
| 18:35.01 | xbm-x | thats why im using bitchx |
| 18:35.07 | nvz | oh I know you can use regular 3 button mice, but I never seen an apple that came with one |
| 18:35.08 | Cypress_ | hey |
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| 18:35.29 | drc | hello. got a problem with x & xfce4. when doing startx I get error - /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line2: /usr/bin/X11/X file or directory doesnt exist |
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| 18:35.32 | deadcat | xbm-x: thats between you and your bitch, we dont need to know |
| 18:35.33 | Cypress_ | apple just made the mighty mouse thats why |
| 18:35.40 | Angel-SL | :@ |
| 18:35.42 | Angel-SL | :( |
| 18:35.43 | drc | Im wondering now, when I dont even have a file "X", what to do? |
| 18:35.43 | xbm-x | lol ahahahahaa |
| 18:35.52 | deadcat | stew: took them like 20 years to come up with a 2 button mouse (= |
| 18:36.00 | nvz | deadcat: touch X |
| 18:36.04 | nvz | drc: ^^ |
| 18:36.08 | nvz | then you have a file X |
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| 18:36.15 | stew | drc: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 18:36.18 | concept10 | who cares |
| 18:36.27 | drc | stew: ok, thanks! |
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| 18:37.05 | Angel-SL | Usage: UNRAR <command> -<switch 1> -<switch N> <archive> <files...> |
| 18:37.06 | Angel-SL | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.23 | xbm-x | is there is any chat room for wireless hackers????? |
| 18:37.29 | stew | xbm-x: #wireless |
| 18:37.46 | xbm-x | tys |
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| 18:37.57 | nConTroL | http://axionpps.com/ - Like to try new things? Got some web-hosting? Well try out AxionPPS! Visit our forums to find out what our amazing spoof software can do!! - http://axionpps.com |
| 18:38.02 | nConTroL | http://axionpps.com/ - Like to try new things? Got some web-hosting? Well try out AxionPPS! Visit our forums to find out what our amazing spoof software can do!! - http://axionpps.com |
| 18:38.04 | concept10 | are you a wireless hacker |
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| 18:38.20 | deadcat | concept10: HAHAHAHA. what you think? HAHAHAHHA |
| 18:38.26 | concept10 | lol |
| 18:38.28 | nvz | RichiH: hey |
| 18:38.39 | JeffH | What's a good web/mysql based contact manager? |
| 18:38.45 | nvz | heh he's got a notification that his screen is detached |
| 18:38.47 | nvz | thats cool |
| 18:38.52 | deadcat | JeffH: phpmyadmin? |
| 18:38.53 | Angel-SL | : |
| 18:38.57 | Angel-SL | Usage: UNRAR <command> -<switch 1> -<switch N> <archive> <files...> |
| 18:38.59 | Angel-SL | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.02 | stew | Angel-SL: stop that |
| 18:39.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 18:39.06 | Angel-SL | help me with that Pls |
| 18:39.10 | concept10 | im a wired hacker, im looking to branch out to wireless soon |
| 18:39.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpe-24-31-179-173.columbus.res.rr.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 18:39.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 18:39.25 | deadcat | Angel-SL: ya. you did that once. if we know. we answer.. |
| 18:39.26 | JeffH | deadcat: phpmyadmin isn't a contact manager is it? |
| 18:39.34 | stew | Angel-SL: what is the question? |
| 18:39.35 | LSorensen | Angel-SL: are you using unrar free or non-free and what are you trying to do? |
| 18:39.40 | Angel-SL | Free |
| 18:39.40 | deadcat | JeffH: oh. whats contact manager? i though that means talk to the db |
| 18:39.47 | Angel-SL | it compiled |
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| 18:39.53 | stew | LSorensen: is there even a free version anymore? |
| 18:39.55 | JeffH | deadcat: phone book. |
| 18:39.57 | LSorensen | stew: yes. |
| 18:40.01 | Angel-SL | !paste |
| 18:40.01 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 18:40.02 | stew | LSorensen: what is the name of the package? |
| 18:40.03 | deadcat | JeffH: ah. |
| 18:40.11 | LSorensen | stew: but it still only does rar v2 and lower |
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| 18:40.28 | stew | LSorensen: what package? |
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| 18:40.32 | LSorensen | stew: unrar-free |
| 18:40.42 | stew | ahhh |
| 18:40.57 | Angel-SL | dondelelcaro, could you invite paster? |
| 18:40.57 | stew | it used to be unrar and unrar-nonfree, now unrar is nonfree and there is unrar-free |
| 18:41.01 | xbm-x | does any one play runescape here? |
| 18:41.01 | stew | (i think) |
| 18:41.01 | nvz | I've never had a legit use for rar/unrar |
| 18:41.12 | LSorensen | Angel-SL: are you trying to extract an archive? |
| 18:41.16 | Angel-SL | Yes |
| 18:41.25 | JeffH | deadcat: I'm tired of having to make a call to a creditor from work and not having my info available. |
| 18:41.32 | jun3rd | hey guys, anyone familiar with sendmail on debian? |
| 18:41.35 | LSorensen | Angel-SL: well back in dos days it used to be: rar x archive.rar, so most likely unrar x archive.rar will work |
| 18:41.45 | LSorensen | jun3rd: Yuck! |
| 18:42.10 | Angel-SL | No files to extract |
| 18:42.15 | Angel-SL | :O |
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| 18:42.20 | LSorensen | Angel-SL: what exact line did you type? |
| 18:42.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 18:42.24 | xbm-x | can you get an spyware by cheaking your email telneting pop3 |
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| 18:42.29 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 18:42.35 | stew | xbm-x: no |
| 18:42.35 | jun3rd | LSo, sorry ... I just need some help on receiving my email |
| 18:42.36 | JeffH | surprised /. doesn't have anything about the Mars spacecraft that launched today. |
| 18:42.55 | Angel-SL | k9-net:/home/angelsl/Desktop/ScreenShots# unrar x SUPER\ EDIJUS\ 05\ \[LIEPA\].rar |
| 18:43.04 | xbm-x | so its safe for me to cheak my emails telneting??? |
| 18:43.08 | nvz | dondelelcaro: why did you (need to) become op to bring that bot in? |
| 18:43.21 | Angel-SL | nvz: u invite it. |
| 18:43.22 | LSorensen | xbm-x: yes, it is just not very pleasant to do pop command manually |
| 18:43.24 | Angel-SL | it comes in |
| 18:43.32 | stew | xbm-x: well i suppose it's possible in light of the recent fetchmail vuln. but extremely extremely unlikely that someone would have a malicious pop3 server that was going to exploit telnet |
| 18:43.48 | nvz | Angel-SL: its running in his lab. and its usually here |
| 18:43.55 | Angel-SL | well |
| 18:44.08 | Angel-SL | it wasent when i checked the p part of the userlist |
| 18:44.15 | Angel-SL | !paste |
| 18:44.15 | dpkg | well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 18:44.18 | xbm-x | oh |
| 18:44.31 | Angel-SL | ahh |
| 18:44.36 | Angel-SL | now that paster is here |
| 18:44.43 | LSorensen | Angel-SL: well maybe it does something stupid about the spaces in the name. Try using quotes around the archive name instead |
| 18:45.01 | Angel-SL | LOL |
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| 18:45.08 | Angel-SL | if u invitepaster to a channel |
| 18:45.10 | Angel-SL | look |
| 18:45.11 | nvz | all the other bots just hang out.. the only one that requires an op to operate that I know of is debhelper and its apperent why dephelper gets opped by chanserv |
| 18:45.15 | stew | unrar coulnd't possilby know or care how the spaces are escaped |
| 18:45.23 | Angel-SL | its in #k9-net |
| 18:45.28 | LSorensen | stew: oh it CAN care |
| 18:45.33 | Angel-SL | and that chan is listed in paste |
| 18:45.34 | LSorensen | stew: it shouldn't but it can |
| 18:45.37 | Angel-SL | hehehe |
| 18:45.57 | stew | LSorensen: how woud it know, foo "bar baz" and foo bar\ baz, look identicall to foo |
| 18:46.00 | xbm-x | i use to have debian but then one day i was tired of w00t w00t root root and install windows :( |
| 18:46.10 | paster | "Angel-SL" at 202.156.2.202 pasted "Usage: UNRAR <command> -<switc" (23 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/470 |
| 18:46.24 | stew | LSorensen: the "" or the \ would both be eaten by the shell and wouldn't be sent to the launched process |
| 18:47.03 | LSorensen | stew: hmm, true. and it does work with spaces on my system |
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| 18:47.26 | xbm-x | is it legal if i get a wireless scanners and scan people wireless in my car? |
| 18:47.31 | LSorensen | Angel-SL: does: unrar l archive work? |
| 18:47.42 | LSorensen | xbm-x: what is a wireless scanner? |
| 18:47.54 | stew | Angel-SL: if you are using the free version you might need the non-free version |
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| 18:48.12 | nvz | xbm-x: furthermore do you have anything at all remotely related to debian you are thinking about or want to talk about? |
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| 18:48.40 | nvz | I at least have interest in debian and use it |
| 18:48.42 | euphor][a | how can i change eth0 setup? what files need editing |
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| 18:49.05 | stew | euphor][a: man interfaces |
| 18:49.20 | LSorensen | Angel-SL: taht just says you typed the command line wrong |
| 18:49.21 | Reilithion | Rucas_: That's what people used to call me in high school. |
| 18:49.26 | euphor][a | stew, ta |
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| 18:49.33 | jshriver | Greetings |
| 18:49.39 | Reilithion | A Japanese student thought it was my name. |
| 18:49.50 | jshriver | is there a way to submit a bug report to Debian or to a specific maintainer? |
| 18:49.53 | Reilithion | It caught on. Along with Jesus. |
| 18:50.06 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 18:50.08 | deadcat | jesus |
| 18:50.08 | stew | jshriver: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 18:50.16 | jshriver | thnx |
| 18:50.23 | Reilithion | Yep. I had hair that made me look holy, I guess. |
| 18:50.34 | stew | jshriver: make sure it's not already reported, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 18:50.43 | nvz | jshriver: yes debian has a public bug tracking system |
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| 18:55.04 | jshriver | thanks appreciate it.. |
| 18:55.23 | nvz | jshriver: so do we. |
| 18:55.26 | jshriver | been trying to use the "knights" program. Have tried it on 3 different machines with the most recent updates . And none of them work. |
| 18:55.30 | nvz | the bts is what makes the shit work |
| 18:55.50 | Reilithion | Ok, next thing. I followed the instructions from the dmix HOWTO for alsa, but I still can't play any sounds or music while esd is running. Any takers? |
| 18:55.55 | nvz | if people dont use it we end up with releases like sarge that have really annoying bugs |
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| 18:56.03 | jshriver | think it might be missing a "data package" of sorts... images, etc.. sincec the program loads... just no board really..etc |
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| 18:56.56 | Angel-SL | LSorensen, thats only LIST not extract |
| 18:56.58 | runa_ | hey :) Im running debian amd64 here and firefox 1.0.4 (or 1.0.6). I had a power cut and now, nor firefox or thunderbird start. I've tried mozilla-firefox -safe-mode, trying to get to the profile manager, moving .mozilla/firefox out of the way without luck. Any tips? |
| 18:57.37 | nvz | runa_: you tried running the command from a terminal? |
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| 18:58.03 | nvz | runa_: see if it hangs or returns a prompt, and if it gives any output |
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| 18:58.52 | Angel-SL | oy |
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| 19:00.22 | Angel-SL | ;ll give up.. |
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| 19:01.22 | runa_ | nvz: between the last messages are: Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) and Couldn't get object: TypeError: Components.classes[cid] has no properties |
| 19:02.36 | ecobit | anyone have experience using a 15" SXGA+ vs. XGA display? |
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| 19:03.26 | F-Lelo | Hello people... |
| 19:03.32 | nvz | well the first one is definatly a warning, which would mean its non-fatal. the 2nd one I dont fully understand |
| 19:03.40 | nvz | runa_: I would strace next probably |
| 19:03.48 | nvz | runa_: are you using sarge? |
| 19:03.50 | runa_ | nvz: I did it. but it was a mess ;) |
| 19:03.50 | F-Lelo | I am trying to open a webpage and it asks me how to save a file (phtml)... what do I need to install in order for apache to run it? |
| 19:04.06 | runa_ | nvz: yes mainly. but I tried ff from unstable too |
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| 19:04.32 | concept10 | F-Lelo, is it a website on your server? |
| 19:04.38 | F-Lelo | yes, concept10 |
| 19:04.54 | concept10 | That means apache is configured incorrectly |
| 19:04.55 | nvz | runa_: its always a mess. if the program thows back to a prompt the strace is easy to read.. you need only be concerned with the system call that caused it to raise a fatal condition, and the preceeding calls that further explain that call |
| 19:05.09 | drc | Now I got another problem, when I installed x-window-system-core etc, I got to a settings stuff, finished them but now when I do startx my monitor is blank. I've been trying to find a way to get back to that settings window. Or any other ideas? |
| 19:05.17 | F-Lelo | concept10: that I knew already... but I don't know what to do in order for apache to run it properly |
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| 19:05.43 | concept10 | F-Lelo, I don't know the fix, I just know the syptom because my apache is configured incorrectly :) |
| 19:05.59 | concept10 | *symptom |
| 19:06.03 | nvz | runa_: if my irssi process fails right now because you sent something that killed it on a chat line, I would see a read(3,blah) and go back and see that fd,3 is my incomming chat socket or whatever and know what happened |
| 19:06.19 | F-Lelo | hehehe alright I understand |
| 19:06.19 | F-Lelo | ;) |
| 19:06.20 | concept10 | F-Lelo, hopefully we can figure this out |
| 19:06.31 | nvz | understanding system calls well enough to do minor troubleshooting isnt hard |
| 19:06.35 | concept10 | F-Lelo, what config file to you screw with? |
| 19:06.40 | nvz | all else fails you send it all in a bug report |
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| 19:06.48 | F-Lelo | concept10: sorry? |
| 19:07.08 | concept10 | F-Lelo, what config file did you change |
| 19:07.23 | subgv | is portmap any useful? should I it be turned on? |
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| 19:08.07 | F-Lelo | concept10: wait, I think I got it... |
| 19:08.28 | Angel-SL | ANyone still knows where to get a unrar prog? |
| 19:08.38 | concept10 | I wish I could install sarge headless |
| 19:08.43 | Angel-SL | or can send me thru MSN? |
| 19:08.49 | Ronin | Angel-SL: just go install unrar |
| 19:08.51 | nvz | subgv: its a service that listens for and responds to Remote Proceedure Calls, and converts them into the port numbers corresponding with that call |
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| 19:09.03 | Angel-SL | Ronin: cant find with aptget |
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| 19:09.11 | concept10 | or install bring back my default install |
| 19:09.24 | nvz | subgv: f.e. if I want to mount a shared volume on your pc I would ask portmap, and it would send me to the samba, cifs, or nfs server you were sharing that on |
| 19:09.25 | Ronin | Angel-SL: have you added non-free to the source list |
| 19:09.32 | Angel-SL | well |
| 19:09.37 | nvz | subgv: whatever port or server you may be running |
| 19:09.39 | Angel-SL | which line to add on? |
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| 19:11.37 | Q-collective | hey all, what was the meta package name for the toolchain again? |
| 19:11.48 | nvz | subgv: if your network node were an office buildin on a street, the portmap would be like the guy behind the counter that told you which floor the business you were looking for was on or forwarded your call if you had phoned in |
| 19:12.03 | concept10 | F-Lelo, what did you do? |
| 19:12.26 | F-Lelo | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml |
| 19:12.28 | Rickdangerous | Q-collective, build-essentials |
| 19:12.30 | F-Lelo | on apache2.conf |
| 19:12.32 | subgv | nvz: thank you, so it should be turn on |
| 19:12.36 | Rickdangerous | Q-collective, err build-essential |
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| 19:12.55 | Q-collective | Rickdangerous: ah, thanks man |
| 19:13.01 | Rickdangerous | np |
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| 19:13.24 | punsad | my box keeps freezing. I've got no clue as to why. Checked kern.log and messages in /var/log and didn't find anything obvious. Anywhere else i should check? |
| 19:13.36 | nvz | subgv: essentially if portmap is hidden from a node or not running then they cant make use of the services that use RPC communication. the filesharing was the best example I can think of.. uses RPC because it doesnt know for sure what fileserver or port you are using.. the RPC calls are translated accordingly |
| 19:13.36 | uid0 | is there anyway to recover something that just deleted?? |
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| 19:13.49 | Rickdangerous | uid0, mc can do that |
| 19:13.55 | Rickdangerous | uid0, for ext2 |
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| 19:14.58 | subgv | nvz: i see |
| 19:15.04 | Mr-R | wer |
| 19:15.10 | Mr-R | ups. sorry. |
| 19:15.10 | thingfish | punsad: you might try running memtest86+. |
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| 19:15.41 | punsad | thingfish:I'll try that. thanks |
| 19:16.04 | Rickdangerous | uid0, also apt-cache search undelete |
| 19:16.21 | nvz | subgv: its a lookup service somewhat simlar to DNS or such. except it translated RPC to Port numbers instead of Hostnames to IP Addresses |
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| 19:16.52 | punsad | it's a very old box (circa '98)... was hoping to hold onto it for a decade. |
| 19:17.16 | nvz | punsad: linux brings new life to old pcs |
| 19:17.57 | Rickdangerous | linux - {kde,gnome} |
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| 19:18.08 | nvz | punsad: you can make an old 486 that wont even run win95 or use a hdd over 500mb with windows, into a linux fileserver with SCSI Raid of like 1TB or something |
| 19:18.14 | digitalfox|sleep | GNOME should run fine on a 98 era rig |
| 19:18.22 | punsad | nvz: yeah... well... this one seems to be dying... been running debian for a while |
| 19:18.42 | nvz | punsad: whats wrong with it? |
| 19:18.52 | punsad | my box keeps freezing. I've got no clue as to why. Checked kern.log and messages in /var/log and didn't find anything obvious. |
| 19:19.09 | Rickdangerous | digitalfox|sleep, it uses tyoo much memory IMO |
| 19:19.09 | nvz | punsad: tested the memory and ps at all? |
| 19:19.10 | stew | my 1tb raid server i found sitting in the trash down the street :) |
| 19:19.11 | Rickdangerous | too* |
| 19:19.19 | punsad | it seems to happen when I'm encoding flac or shn files to mp3 |
| 19:19.24 | stew | (without the 1tb of course) |
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| 19:19.52 | nvz | Power Supply issues could cause virtually any condition. you could easily replace every componant in a system before realizing the PS is bad |
| 19:19.52 | stew | punsad: have you tried memtest86? |
| 19:20.02 | punsad | just apt-get installed it |
| 19:20.14 | punsad | skimming through the docs |
| 19:20.15 | stew | at powersuppies are certainly easy to find |
| 19:20.21 | stew | at least in my neighborhood |
| 19:20.52 | nvz | I left all my AT's in Texas |
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| 19:21.22 | stew | nvz: i see at based cases sitting on the street probably 10 times a week |
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| 19:22.19 | stew | d~ now it's just me and my ATXs ... |
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| 19:22.32 | punsad | stew: so does memtest86 just give a thumbs up or down on you memory or something? |
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| 19:22.51 | punsad | looks like you need to boot from the memtest image file |
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| 19:23.07 | stew | punsad: i believe it gives a thumbs down or it just keeps going until you are tired of it not giving you a thumbs down |
| 19:23.26 | punsad | I'm still running lilo, so I think I can do a lilo -R to boot from an image just once. (or just use floppy of course) |
| 19:23.30 | stew | punsad: its not pass/fail, its fail or hasn't failed yet... |
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| 19:23.38 | Q-collective | hmm, if I want to compile my own kernel, it says I need to install ncurses-devel, but there is no such package? |
| 19:23.45 | Ronin | make up your mind already GibsonPure |
| 19:24.06 | rbochan | where does adduser store it's info on the default groups a new user is added to? the manpage seems a bit unclear on that |
| 19:24.10 | stew | punsad: i believe /usr/share/doc/memtest86/ has instructions on running it from lilo |
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| 19:24.25 | stew | rbochan: in /etc/passwd |
| 19:24.38 | stew | rbochan: (man 5 passwd) |
| 19:24.50 | rbochan | will do, thanks |
| 19:24.53 | nvz | I think it was greycat I once heard say "memtest86 couldnt detect a missing stick of ram" |
| 19:24.57 | sporkbomb | Q-collective: do you mean libncurses5-dev ? |
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| 19:25.23 | Q-collective | sporkbomb: lol, why not just call it "ncurses-devel"? :P |
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| 19:25.35 | punsad | stew: cool... thanks. This problem does crop up in the summer... dunno what that means.. and another symptom is that compiling kernels is like pulling teeth. it gives all kinds of errors |
| 19:25.56 | runa_ | Any solution to this warnings? Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) (in firefox, for example |
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| 19:26.05 | nvz | speaking of texas I wonder if I ever d/l that stevie nicks song off gift the other night |
| 19:26.13 | Lanz | Hey. |
| 19:26.19 | nvz | I got the cd. but I am lazy so I just d/l the shit |
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| 19:26.29 | stew | punsad: well overheating is another leading cause of random errors |
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| 19:26.33 | concept10 | I've read somewhere that it is insecure to run a server on one partition, is this true ? |
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| 19:26.41 | punsad | nvz: I don't miss texas at all.. |
| 19:26.50 | sporkbomb | Q-collective: I think the actual name is much more descriptive. But that is just my opinion |
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| 19:27.09 | rbochan | stew: I'm not seeing it, can you be more specific? |
| 19:27.35 | stew | concept10: some security can be gained by having multiple patitions so that you can do stuff like mount /usr readonly or /home with nosuid, etc. |
| 19:27.48 | nvz | me either really, since when I was there I just missed all my friends. |
| 19:27.50 | stew | rbochan: gid in man 5 passwd |
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| 19:27.54 | eka | hi all |
| 19:28.04 | sporkbomb | concept10: also, it is sometimes nice to have a separate /var |
| 19:28.06 | Q-collective | sporkbomb: ok, then the other way around: why not edit the error so that it says what to install? |
| 19:28.10 | luite | what chould cause this compile problem, kernel 2.6.12.4, with config based on the debian 2.6.8-686 config: drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:33:19: gamma.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:28.19 | eka | when i modify hosts.deny, this is taken automatically or i have to restart any service? |
| 19:28.23 | nvz | its just having been in texas so many years ago when I was a youngin and learning to talk and stuff there. feels kind of like home sometimes |
| 19:28.30 | sporkbomb | Q-collective: I'm afraid you will just have to live with it and move on. |
| 19:28.37 | buhya | Britney Spears Strip Tease Game LOOOOL --> http://systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=54 |
| 19:28.52 | nvz | this song is of Stevie |
| 19:28.59 | stew | what is a LOOOOL? |
| 19:29.02 | Q-collective | sporkbomb: bah :) |
| 19:29.16 | nvz | 's last album and isnt really about texas anyhow.. its about leaving texas |
| 19:29.32 | concept10 | dont leave texas! |
| 19:29.39 | nvz | well in the song she's in texas, and her lover is leaving for london |
| 19:29.49 | Rickdangerous | oh boy |
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| 19:30.43 | nvz | I can tell you right now stevie is probably like 30 years older than me, but I'd marry that woman if I could. she's like the only lady her age I find attractive |
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| 19:30.46 | Lur | hello |
| 19:30.47 | x-Al1gma | hello Lur |
| 19:30.56 | Lur | how do I execute a .deb file? |
| 19:31.07 | stew | !wikifaq Lur PackageManagement |
| 19:31.07 | dpkg | Lur: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:31.09 | drac | Lur: You can't execute one, but dpkg -i installs one. |
| 19:31.19 | Lur | ok, thanks |
| 19:31.29 | nvz | I hail stevie as the queen of rock and roll |
| 19:31.32 | Tak | (dpkg, of the planet Omicron Persei 8 ) |
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| 19:31.56 | stew | nvz: my wife really wore me out on everything fleetwood mac related |
| 19:32.00 | nvz | and the breath of life in that tired old band that was fleetwood mac |
| 19:32.01 | stew | really killed it |
| 19:32.04 | kingtux | what some good system tools on debian? |
| 19:32.10 | concept10 | Dumb question. How could I install sarge and make it revert back to default without installing |
| 19:32.11 | kingtux | system monitoring type apps |
| 19:32.32 | stew | tail -f |
| 19:32.33 | nvz | I dont like fleetwood mac much.. I dont like her ex Lindsay or his sister Christie who cant sing for shit |
| 19:32.47 | nvz | I just like Stevie Nicks |
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| 19:33.15 | Q-collective | another question: how to start sshd on boot by default? |
| 19:33.24 | nvz | stevie was the real talent and shining star of that band |
| 19:33.34 | stew | Mrs. stew really liked the Buckingham Nicks stuff. chritie McVee or whatever did seem kinda useless |
| 19:33.38 | Lee__ | Q-collective: install it through apt-get |
| 19:33.51 | Lee__ | than say yes when it asks you if you want it to start at boot. |
| 19:33.53 | stew | Q-collective: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 19:33.53 | nvz | oh thats right they arent related |
| 19:34.03 | Q-collective | hmm, ok |
| 19:34.06 | nvz | confused myself there |
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| 19:34.14 | nvz | they just both suck |
| 19:34.19 | rbochan | also, can someone point me towards some kde docs on setting some defaults ala /etc/skel or some such? |
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| 19:34.55 | nvz | I can't like Lindsay he slept with my future wife |
| 19:34.57 | nefarius | Q-collective: or man update-rc.d |
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| 19:35.07 | stew | hah |
| 19:35.09 | Q-collective | nefarius: ah, ok |
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| 19:35.43 | nvz | na, I will probably once I get older and spend more time seeing the world find someone my age |
| 19:35.45 | Q-collective | ;) |
| 19:36.06 | Lanz | Why can't a root user message this channel and how can you work around that? |
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| 19:36.31 | nvz | its just in the past girls my age were still too young.. heh I hate girls who havent experienced anything in their lives and make a big deal about the most insignificant things. |
| 19:37.08 | antgel_ | jesus i go home, have dinner and it's #teenangst :P |
| 19:37.15 | sporkbomb | Lanz: Mind if I ask you a question? Why would you need to be root to chat on IRC to begin with? |
| 19:37.26 | Lanz | Because I wish to. |
| 19:37.28 | stew | Q-collective: ln -s /usr/bins/update-rc.d /usr/local/sbin/rc-update; then rc-update ssh defaults ; if it makes you happier |
| 19:37.38 | Lanz | And its easier to perform system maintainence as root. |
| 19:37.40 | antgel_ | that's root talkin' |
| 19:37.48 | nvz | hey I am not a teen I turned 22 yesturday thank you. I must just attract really stupid young women |
| 19:37.59 | Q-collective | stew: hehe :P |
| 19:38.16 | Rickdangerous | nvz, stupid young women? yummy... |
| 19:38.20 | nvz | like that girl I was living with earlier this summer gawd 20 years old and still acts like she's a teen |
| 19:38.39 | nvz | getting in fights with the hillbilly neighbors and shit for no reason |
| 19:38.43 | Gathond | Lanz: and system maintanence and IRC is related how? |
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| 19:39.01 | Lanz | Because they're occuring on the same computer. |
| 19:39.08 | nvz | like she's a drama queen on the springer show |
| 19:39.08 | Lanz | Don't beat around the bush. |
| 19:39.13 | Lanz | Answer the question if you know. |
| 19:39.18 | Gathond | Lanz: this being in an OS that allows every shell to become root if one wants it |
| 19:39.26 | Rickdangerous | Lanz you can always start you chat program with su -c even if you were login as root |
| 19:39.50 | Gathond | Lanz: you cant work around that i think, because it is not wanted here |
| 19:39.52 | FieldySnuts | Lanz: it's called common sense. since you lack that, it's not worth talking to you. |
| 19:40.00 | Lanz | What if I use the GUI and wish to run the GUI as root for my administration? |
| 19:40.02 | FieldySnuts | yes. the channel ops decide they don't want it. you can talk to the if you want, not us |
| 19:40.08 | FieldySnuts | you're a moron, then |
| 19:40.09 | nvz | Rickdangerous: bleh you can have em its not worth it for me |
| 19:40.14 | Lanz | You guys must seriously be lacking something between your ears. |
| 19:40.17 | stew | Lanz: su before you irc then. it's quite dangerous to irc as root |
| 19:40.21 | Gathond | Lanz: so just start the GUI admin tool from a shell that is root |
| 19:40.25 | FieldySnuts | Lanz: pot, kettle, black, ingored. |
| 19:40.26 | Lanz | Is it really your fucking business if I want to run as root? |
| 19:40.33 | stew | Lanz: there have been some serious vulnerabilities with irc clients really recently |
| 19:40.35 | FieldySnuts | @ops lanz trolling |
| 19:40.36 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: lanz trolling |
| 19:40.36 | Rickdangerous | nvz, yes please send them to me :) |
| 19:40.37 | Lanz | Don't care. |
| 19:40.41 | sporkbomb | Don't even bother w/ this guy...he is either a complete idiot or a troll. |
| 19:40.42 | Ronin | oh ya Lanz now that will definatly get folks to help you |
| 19:40.46 | Ronin | sporkbomb: both |
| 19:40.50 | Lanz | IM TROLLING EH? |
| 19:40.51 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.55 | Lanz | Omg. |
| 19:41.01 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:41.04 | s_ward | !root |
| 19:41.04 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 19:41.06 | Lanz | My god. |
| 19:41.07 | FieldySnuts | go do it somewher eelse, then |
| 19:41.09 | runa_ | stew: its dangerous to do anything network-related as root |
| 19:41.14 | sporkbomb | Ronin: True that...I guess both of those mentioned are synonymous. |
| 19:41.17 | dondelelcaro | Lanz: no, you don't want to run it as root. |
| 19:41.18 | Lanz | Just because you don't know how to work around it you all start flaminfg. |
| 19:41.21 | Lanz | Remarkable. |
| 19:41.26 | FieldySnuts | asshat |
| 19:41.31 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: there's no need to escalate the situtation either. |
| 19:41.34 | nefarius | lol troll |
| 19:41.36 | Lanz | No, sir, you are the asshat. |
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| 19:42.01 | Rickdangerous | Lanz cool it down |
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| 19:42.22 | drac | What's that % before auth in those bans.. ? |
| 19:42.36 | shimano55 | Question, How do I look at another partition of mine on Debian Linux??? |
| 19:42.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell drac -about fn modes |
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| 19:42.56 | drc | I got a question once again, how can I find what directory does XFree86 use for configs? I get blank monitor all the time after startx and it makes me wonder do the settings I make with xf86config take place at the right config directry/file. |
| 19:42.58 | dondelelcaro | drac: see the +q chanmode there. |
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| 19:43.16 | drac | dondelelcaro: okay, that was quick :) |
| 19:43.57 | sporkbomb | It's funny how that Lanz guy thought he could be slick and change his nick to gibson |
| 19:44.02 | nite613 | shimano55: mount /dev/hda? /mnt |
| 19:44.08 | Justin | drac: read the X log |
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| 19:44.09 | sporkbomb | People are just too damn smart at being sneaky, eah? |
| 19:44.22 | drc | Justin: where does it make it? |
| 19:44.26 | Justin | drc: /var/log |
| 19:44.36 | drc | ok, Im not sure if there is one though |
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| 19:44.43 | defcon8 | is it possible to get audial biometric recognition working on gpg? |
| 19:44.46 | Justin | drc: there is |
| 19:44.50 | dpower | ~[ shimano55 ]~ fdsik -l |
| 19:44.54 | drc | how can I find out which directory/file does xfree86 use for configs? |
| 19:45.01 | dpower | shimano55: fdisk -l |
| 19:45.07 | drc | I mean if it doesnt use /etc/X11, then my configs dont take any effect at all |
| 19:45.08 | luite | do you need some xfree or xorg development packages for compiling the drm modules in the kernel (2.6.12.4) ? |
| 19:45.19 | drac | !drxx drc |
| 19:45.21 | dpkg | drc: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:45.25 | drac | don't use xf86config |
| 19:45.50 | drac | and it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 19:46.17 | initiate | how can i give access to my normal account to use bittornado ? |
| 19:46.38 | drc | drac, Im rather lazy to get xorg. I just need a replacement machine until I get replacement parts for my desktop |
| 19:46.41 | Gathond | initiate: if you installed it through apt it should already be |
| 19:46.44 | initiate | cause what i get now is ... error permission denied after 1-2 minutes of downloading |
| 19:46.59 | drc | argh, nvm |
| 19:47.00 | drac | drc: Nevermind about that, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" is what I wanted you to see. |
| 19:47.04 | Gathond | initiate: so it works, actually? |
| 19:47.05 | luminerd | what is the equiv. of Outlook/Outlook Express |
| 19:47.10 | drc | hehe, thanks drac ! |
| 19:47.12 | digitalfox|sleep | luminerd: Evolution |
| 19:47.15 | digitalfox|sleep | on GNOME |
| 19:47.19 | Gathond | luminerd: i think evolution attempts to clone it |
| 19:47.20 | digitalfox|sleep | dunno on KDE |
| 19:47.22 | initiate | Gathond, yes for 2 minutes and then it stops with an error and permission denied |
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| 19:47.26 | digitalfox|sleep | Evolution does a good job |
| 19:47.28 | Gathond | digitalfox|sleep: the same :) |
| 19:47.35 | digitalfox|sleep | Kevolution? :P |
| 19:47.41 | Rickdangerous | digitalfox|sleep, kmail and rest of kde pim |
| 19:47.43 | Gathond | digitalfox|sleep: gtk (gnome) applications work nicely in KDE as the reverse |
| 19:47.43 | digitalfox|sleep | ah. |
| 19:47.51 | Gathond | the whole theme thing just dont |
| 19:47.51 | _du_ | would someone plz recommend a hosting company? |
| 19:47.52 | luminerd | digitalfox|sleep, Gathond, does it sync as well as outlook? |
| 19:47.54 | digitalfox|sleep | Gathond: yeh, but they look ugly and don't integrate with the UI guidelines |
| 19:47.57 | digitalfox|sleep | luminerd: no idea |
| 19:47.58 | drc | drac: I actually tried to dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 but didn't know what is the one I should, so thanks aloT! |
| 19:47.59 | Gathond | luminerd: never used it |
| 19:48.05 | digitalfox|sleep | I don't use outlook at all |
| 19:48.06 | luminerd | Gathond, digitalfox|sleep, oh ok thanks lol |
| 19:48.06 | drc | gonna come back if something goes wrong again |
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| 19:48.12 | Gathond | digitalfox|sleep: true |
| 19:48.13 | Reilithion | does "bluewood" mean anything to anyone here? it's in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:48.22 | luminerd | Does evolution have a channel somewhere? |
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| 19:48.27 | Reilithion | ftp://bluewood/debian/ testing main |
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| 19:48.30 | prock | luminerd: in my experience nothing sync's well from linux |
| 19:48.33 | Rickdangerous | luminerd irc.gnome.org |
| 19:48.42 | drac | drc: If XF86config-4 doesn't get altered by dpkg-reconfigure, do "/msg dpkg x md5sum" here. |
| 19:48.55 | Gathond | luminerd: actually I think the exchange util for it is payware, or at least was at some point |
| 19:49.21 | luminerd | prock, wow, that sucks... |
| 19:49.25 | Rickdangerous | Gathond, it's amde gpl |
| 19:49.28 | Rickdangerous | made* |
| 19:49.30 | luminerd | Rickdangerous, ok thank you |
| 19:49.34 | Rickdangerous | np |
| 19:49.46 | Gathond | digitalfox|sleep: but also depends sync with what, outlook mostly syncs well with other devices because the people making devices always make some sync util for outlook |
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| 19:50.30 | prock | luminerd: if you want to try for yourself the only app I could find that was any use at all is multisync, but it deleted my data more than once. |
| 19:50.41 | Octalthorpe | Anybody else having problems with Firefox segfaulting in sid? |
| 19:50.44 | digitalfox|sleep | Gathond: I think the GNOME palm pilot apps sync with Evolution |
| 19:51.38 | initiate | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.46 | initiate | that's what i`m talking about Gathond |
| 19:52.24 | antgel_ | Octalthorpe: quite a lot |
| 19:52.27 | Rickdangerous | initiate, use the ls -ld /home/initiate/torrents |
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| 19:52.41 | antgel_ | Octalthorpe: although i should have really said /msg dpkg ask :) |
| 19:52.50 | luminerd | Rickdangerous, hmm, irc.gnome.org not wanting to connect |
| 19:52.57 | nefarius | rickdangerous |
| 19:53.00 | nefarius | that was an awesome game |
| 19:53.10 | initiate | drwxr-xr-x 5 nobody initiate 4096 2005-08-12 09:48 /home/initiate/torrents/ |
| 19:53.16 | initiate | or should i do it as root ? |
| 19:53.18 | Octalthorpe | antgel_: Yeah, yeah. My question was valid, though; the answer tells me if it's a system misconfiguration or a sid breakage. |
| 19:53.24 | Rickdangerous | nefarius, definetely :) |
| 19:53.33 | znx | was.. bah.. |
| 19:53.46 | thingfish | Octalthorpe: have you checked bts? |
| 19:54.00 | antgel_ | Octalthorpe: it's quite flaky, but it can be extensions / plugins etc as well. |
| 19:54.09 | antgel_ | amstrad? you want a spectrum. |
| 19:54.21 | Rickdangerous | luminerd, sorry it's irc.gimp.net |
| 19:54.32 | znx | well i have an amstrad.. so i dont need a spectrum :) |
| 19:54.37 | Rickdangerous | initiate, the owner of the dir is nobody |
| 19:54.38 | Gathond | initiate: you should own that directory, as it is above only the nobody user can write there |
| 19:54.56 | PeterB | nefarius: Ask tarzeau about xrick, he had some .debs for a Rick Dangerous clone. |
| 19:54.56 | Gathond | initiate: which I assume you are not running it as? |
| 19:55.00 | antgel_ | i think i have issues. can someone do a man muttrc, search for autoedit, and tell me if there is anything written after "Also see"? |
| 19:55.04 | Octalthorpe | thingfish : Yeah, let me just fire up firefox... (I know, I know; I'll use elinks in a minute here) |
| 19:55.09 | initiate | i don't even have a nobody user ... |
| 19:55.15 | Octalthorpe | antgel_: I don't think it's that; the segfault is in libfontconfig. |
| 19:55.30 | thingfish | there's mozilla, isn't there? |
| 19:55.40 | Octalthorpe | I'd rather use elinks.. |
| 19:55.41 | znx | initiate: nobody must exist.. otherwise youd see the uid |
| 19:55.50 | antgel_ | Octalthorpe: you could try downloading the Deer Park alpha, see if it's been fixed, alternatively try searching bugzilla |
| 19:55.58 | Rickdangerous | luminerd, grr irc.gimp.org :) |
| 19:56.17 | znx | initiate: chown initiate torrents |
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| 19:56.42 | initiate | thankx znx |
| 19:56.43 | luminerd | Rickdangerous, oh, heh ok |
| 19:56.46 | luminerd | thanks |
| 19:56.50 | initiate | i`ll remember this chown :) |
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| 19:57.00 | antgel_ | oh, it's the pager, most. how annoying. |
| 19:57.01 | initiate | thanks to the others who helped as well |
| 19:57.02 | like_ | is there any way to find out which revision on a working copy cvs? |
| 19:57.02 | initiate | brb |
| 19:57.04 | Rickdangerous | luminerd, why don't they use the obvious ;) |
| 19:57.08 | Reilithion | Whyy would this line be in my /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 19:57.15 | luminerd | Rickdangerous, gimp.org is for Gnome? |
| 19:57.16 | Reilithion | deb ftp://bluewood/debian/ testing main |
| 19:57.27 | Rickdangerous | luminerd, yes and for #gnome-debian |
| 19:57.29 | luminerd | why on earth..! |
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| 19:57.41 | Rickdangerous | historical probably... |
| 19:57.56 | antgel_ | i've been using most for a long while now, as i like the syntax hilite of man. but it appears to cut out text when it feels like it. can less handle man pages in colour? |
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| 19:58.04 | nefarius | xevil is kinda fun too |
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| 19:58.34 | Rickdangerous | antgel, yes it can. there should be a factoid |
| 19:58.38 | PeterB | nefarius: Indeed. |
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| 19:58.42 | antgel_ | Rickdangerous: ta |
| 19:59.04 | Rickdangerous | antgel, greycat would tell you how to do it :) |
| 19:59.15 | thingfish | Octalthorpe: BTS shows a grave functionality bug in ff 1.0.6-2, firefox segfaults. |
| 19:59.58 | antgel_ | RickdangerousAFK: can't find fricking factoid |
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| 20:00.04 | stew | antgel_: file a bug against most |
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| 20:00.10 | RickdangerousAFK | antgel, use the google |
| 20:00.12 | Reilithion | So, nobody knows anything about BLUEWOOD? |
| 20:00.22 | Octalthorpe | thingfish: Yeah, sounds about right; appreciate it. |
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| 20:00.23 | mithi | hi, ehm i wanted to allow a user to connect with the internet so i configured the visudo but nothing happens. then i tried to add the user to the dip group which allows to connect with the inet. i wrote dip:x:32:user ; Is that wrong? In the visudo i added user ALL=NOPASSWD:/etc/pp/peers/ar (but i think that's wrong); Could you help me? |
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| 20:00.29 | stew | antgel_: and for bonus points, help fix it :) |
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| 20:01.02 | antgel_ | stew: is this definitely a most bug? i've never been one to get too into pagers except for page up/down etc |
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| 20:01.28 | initiate | re |
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| 20:01.53 | stew | antgel_: if you see text with less that you don't see with most, sounds like a most bug to me |
| 20:02.16 | Octalthorpe | Unless the text is like <0F> |
| 20:02.17 | takatumi | most has problems with utf8. |
| 20:02.18 | Reilithion | I'll take that as a 'no' |
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| 20:02.28 | antgel_ | stew: i think it could be #307930: most: Cannot process properly UTF-8 input but when i type 10, reportbug says no bug report. i'll file a bug on reportbug ;) |
| 20:02.36 | PeterB | Reilithion: What does 'dig bluewood' say? |
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| 20:03.11 | antgel_ | stew: seriously, do you have most installed and don't use utf8? if so, you could test this for me |
| 20:03.17 | chipdalf | howdy folks |
| 20:03.24 | initiate | what was the command to check who's the owner of the directory again ? |
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| 20:03.34 | stew | antgel_: yes |
| 20:03.41 | takatumi | antgel_: yes, reportbug is screwed. |
| 20:03.42 | antgel_ | takatumi: i see it. there are two bugs |
| 20:03.42 | initiate | ld -ls path of dir |
| 20:03.43 | initiate | ? |
| 20:03.44 | stew | antgel_: tell me how to try to reproduce |
| 20:04.07 | PeterB | initiate: ls -ld |
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| 20:04.36 | initiate | thanks petemc |
| 20:04.40 | initiate | PeterB* |
| 20:04.42 | antgel_ | stew: man muttrc. search for autoedit. Last line of section should read Also see $fast_reply. most misses the fast_reply. |
| 20:04.42 | initiate | sorry |
| 20:04.44 | initiate | but anyway ... |
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| 20:04.54 | initiate | drwxr-xr-x 5 initiate initiate 4096 2005-08-12 09:48 /home/initiate/torrents/ |
| 20:05.07 | initiate | "IO Error: unable to open /home/initiate/torrents/The Beatles.iso: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/initiate/torrents/The Beatles.iso'" |
| 20:05.07 | antgel_ | takatumi: did you file a bug against most or reportbug? |
| 20:05.10 | initiate | :/ |
| 20:05.24 | Gathond | initiate: and what about that file? |
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| 20:05.31 | concept10 | I want to install a minimal sarge install, what should I choose during the install (environment) |
| 20:05.43 | mithi | does noone have an idea? |
| 20:05.48 | Gathond | concept10: nothing |
| 20:05.48 | stew | antgel_: yeah, it looks the same with most and less with non UTF-8 here |
| 20:05.49 | antgel_ | concept10: nothing. just let it take you to login |
| 20:05.52 | takatumi | antgel_: most, reportbug one is new, there's probably a bug filed already. |
| 20:06.00 | chipdalf | i did a dist-upgrade to day. now i cannot get mails from ipopd, because i cannot log to it. i think that the authorisation does not work correctly, but i cannot find any configuration-files where i could change that, does anyone have an idee? |
| 20:06.12 | antgel_ | stew: thanks, i'll stick with less for now. |
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| 20:06.17 | initiate | brother |
| 20:06.18 | antgel_ | takatumi: two. :) |
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| 20:06.34 | initiate | Gathond, i thought this gives permission to write in subdires also |
| 20:06.34 | Gathond | chipdalf: would probably help if you told what software you use for this |
| 20:06.35 | ledet | whats wrong with lilo (the boot loader) in unstable today? strace tells me it stalls at a waitpid(-1, |
| 20:06.36 | bushido | hi folks |
| 20:06.43 | chipdalf | concept10: you need a x-server and a desktop-environment? |
| 20:06.44 | Gathond | initiate: what is this? |
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| 20:07.03 | concept10 | chipdalf, nope |
| 20:07.04 | Reilithion | PeterB: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6Ekrtr14.html |
| 20:07.05 | bushido | i did an dist-upgrade yesterday and now i cant use glx anymore. is there a possibility to downgrade? |
| 20:07.05 | initiate | chown Initiate /home/initiate/torrents |
| 20:07.06 | chipdalf | Gathond: to get the mails? |
| 20:07.07 | Gathond | initiate: having access to a directory does not grant permission to access all files in it |
| 20:07.09 | takatumi | antgel_: fwiw, I didn't have most most problems with most in obsd. |
| 20:07.21 | _du_ | would someone plz recommend a hosting company? |
| 20:07.33 | ledet | _du_: for hosting what and where? |
| 20:07.41 | Gathond | chipdalf: involved in the mail setup, pop3 server, auth method used by it, other things in the server part |
| 20:07.45 | nefarius | what would cause a screen to blank out? |
| 20:07.48 | _du_ | hosting for a small website |
| 20:07.49 | nefarius | not xscreensaver |
| 20:07.59 | antgel_ | takatumi: right, i'll reinstall my machines now :) |
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| 20:08.00 | Gathond | initiate: that just changes ownership of that directory |
| 20:08.00 | takatumi | _du_: dreamhost is good, uses debian, but a lil steep. |
| 20:08.02 | _du_ | ledet: hosting for a small website location isnt of concern |
| 20:08.06 | initiate | yeah ... i see this now Gathond :) but how can i give permission for the dir,subdirs and files in it ... if it's possible with only one command of course |
| 20:08.12 | Gathond | initiate: owning the directory != owning all files in it |
| 20:08.19 | _du_ | takatumi - thank you ill consider dreamhost |
| 20:08.20 | Gathond | initiate: chown -R |
| 20:08.25 | initiate | thanks |
| 20:08.25 | DJMarkD | wher de hell is de porn |
| 20:08.29 | initiate | brb |
| 20:08.37 | DJMarkD | huh |
| 20:08.46 | DJMarkD | whers the porn |
| 20:08.51 | DJMarkD | huh? |
| 20:08.59 | antgel_ | ooh, bugs.debian.org has a new 20th century look and feel |
| 20:09.01 | Reilithion | !confuse DJMarkD |
| 20:09.02 | dpkg | No, who was my hamster today, DJMarkD? shirts of the people's republic of swaziland with extra herring |
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| 20:09.14 | chipdalf | Gathond: i use exim with courier-pop and it worked perfecly under woody. now i upgraded to sarge and exim works, but not ipopd... |
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| 20:09.22 | takatumi | antgel_: that's probably why querybts is fucked. |
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| 20:09.37 | antgel_ | how un-debian |
| 20:09.45 | _du_ | haha |
| 20:09.56 | stew | _du_: i also use dreamhost and love them. i also have a server at servermatrix which is cheaper and not quite as good, but certainly passable |
| 20:09.57 | Gathond | chipdalf: sid recently here during an upgrade overwrote the mysql authentication settings for courier-authdaemon, you might have something similiar |
| 20:10.01 | Gathond | chipdalf: /etc/courier/ |
| 20:10.03 | gilv | does someone know a good soft to record and play the movements of the mouse ? |
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| 20:10.13 | chipdalf | concept10: what do you need? what servers? what do you want to do with that machine? |
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| 20:12.25 | mithi | hi, ehm i wanted to allow a user to connect with the internet so i configured the visudo but nothing happens. then i tried to add the user to the dip group which allows to connect with the inet. i wrote dip:x:32:user ; Is that wrong? In the visudo i added user ALL=NOPASSWD:/etc/pp/peers/ar (but i think that's wrong); Could you help me? |
| 20:12.36 | chipdalf | Gathond: there i can only find the authmodules-file or something like that. before i used pam to identify. i think if i could tell ipopd that it should use pam to authentify it would work... but i cannot find any hints how to configure ipopd... no manpage... |
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| 20:13.43 | Gathond | chipdalf: you dont, courier works by using the courier-authdaemon as authentication mechanism, so the php daemon itself dont know of the auth setup, but authmodule as pam authpam should work for you then |
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| 20:14.11 | stew | chipdalf: echo "authdaemon" > /etc/courier/authmodulelist |
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| 20:14.41 | Makoqui | cvcvc |
| 20:14.58 | stew | chipdalf: the /etc/courier/pop3d config file should be pretty self explanitory. makesure you have POP3DSTART=yes in there |
| 20:14.59 | chipdalf | stew: it is allready set on authdaemon... |
| 20:15.15 | stew | err make that =YES |
| 20:15.39 | stew | chipdalf: do you get any errors in /var/log/mail.log when you /etc/init.d/courier-pop restart? |
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| 20:15.54 | chipdalf | stew: the only file i got in there is authmodulelist... nothing else... |
| 20:16.03 | stew | chipdalf: in /etc/courier? |
| 20:16.11 | chipdalf | stew: yes... |
| 20:16.13 | stew | yikes |
| 20:16.34 | chipdalf | stew: thats what i thougt... *fg* |
| 20:16.49 | stew | that would be a problem. you probably want to --reinstall courier-pop with confmiss, /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 20:17.35 | chipdalf | stew: i will test that tomorrow... thanks for your help |
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| 20:17.47 | chipdalf | Gathond: to you too... thanks... |
| 20:18.00 | levander` | What does a '@' mean in a Makefile? |
| 20:18.12 | _du_ | pointer? |
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| 20:18.51 | AcEmAsTr | righty, i'm completely lost doing this usb modem |
| 20:19.31 | takatumi | AcEmAsTr: dsl? |
| 20:19.36 | AcEmAsTr | cable |
| 20:20.05 | levander` | Anybody know a good channel I can ask gcc/make questions? |
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| 20:20.15 | Reilithion | wb, PeterB |
| 20:20.20 | AcEmAsTr | someone gave me /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/usb/net but what the hell do i do with that? |
| 20:20.46 | PeterB | Reilithion: Thanks |
| 20:21.05 | Reilithion | I pasted the results of 'dig bluewood' to http://rafb.net/paste/results/6Ekrtr14.html |
| 20:21.13 | Reilithion | can you help me figure it out? |
| 20:21.45 | coagen | so why do i not have /usr/include/errno.h ? |
| 20:21.58 | AcEmAsTr | no one got a usb modem and debian? :s |
| 20:22.30 | c01100011 | when using alien what does the --scripts flag do ? |
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| 20:23.06 | levander` | coagen: it's in the libc6-dev package for me. Do you have that installed? |
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| 20:23.45 | coagen | levander: now i do thanks!! :) |
| 20:23.48 | AcEmAsTr | gah |
| 20:23.58 | AcEmAsTr | why does linux suck so much sometimes |
| 20:24.02 | AcEmAsTr | most of the time |
| 20:24.03 | AcEmAsTr | >:( |
| 20:24.04 | enveezee | my brother has a VHS video in PAL format, we are in an NTSC formatted area. is there someway maybe with his DVR he can convert the VHS to a digital file and convert it to NTSC or whateveR? I dont kno wmuch about the stuff and wikipedia didnt clear it up very well |
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| 20:24.41 | Gathond | enveezee: depends on wether that exact DVR supports reading PAL and writing NTSC :) |
| 20:25.10 | AcEmAsTr | if i disconnect the modem it says usb disconnected, then when i re-insert it says CDC ethernet device |
| 20:25.19 | AcEmAsTr | yet apt-get still wont work, so im guessing its not workin |
| 20:25.20 | AcEmAsTr | g |
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| 20:26.13 | gimbal | this is not quite debian-specific, but i'm ducking soemthing of a stalker that may be in #linpeople. THe question is about ssh tunneling. I'm wondering, if anyone would know: Why one would have to specify a second hostname to set-up SSH tunneling, e.g.: ssh second.host.net -L 1232:tunnel.host.net:4343 # why would the second.host.net be neceessary there? |
| 20:26.15 | takatumi | AcEmAsTr: that dir would be /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/...., but I don't think copying the module there would just work. |
| 20:26.28 | AcEmAsTr | i've no idea |
| 20:26.36 | AcEmAsTr | but i want net! |
| 20:26.39 | takatumi | AcEmAsTr: that is clear. |
| 20:27.04 | AcEmAsTr | surely someone is awareof a way |
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| 20:27.50 | tdonahue | hi all, i'm experiencing some strange issues with XDMCP to my laptop... I have 2 NIC's on my computer, one is connected to my network and the other has a dummy address which I use when I need to do some packet sniffing for trouble shooting |
| 20:27.51 | JonnyRo | gimbal, because you are telling ssh what interface on your local machine to connect the forward to |
| 20:27.56 | enveezee | Gathond: all I understand of it is its a color/video encoding and that NTSC is analog line-by-line and PAL is alternating-line. I dont understand at what level the shit applies to know if it can be stuck into a VCR we have and put onto PC and converted or what |
| 20:28.03 | JonnyRo | if you use 127.0.0.1 you tell it to connect to the loopback |
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| 20:29.00 | tdonahue | when I start Xnest it negiotiates the XDMCP connection on the correct network card, but when it goes to start the X11 traffic it starts using the network card with the dummy address, and i can't figure out why |
| 20:29.26 | AcEmAsTr | oh ffs |
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| 20:29.50 | AcEmAsTr | is there some kind of config file for most things? |
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| 20:30.05 | AcEmAsTr | or more specific modems and usb |
| 20:30.42 | Gathond | enveezee: afaik the main difference is that the resolution/framerate is different in NTSC/PAL |
| 20:31.21 | Gathond | enveezee: not so much anything about the way the signal is actually transmitted over whatever medium one would choose |
| 20:31.23 | tdonahue | anyone have any thoughts why debian would try to use a NIC that isn't connected to the same network as the other computer? |
| 20:31.41 | Gathond | tdonahue: the routing table tells it to? |
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| 20:32.39 | stew | tdonahue: you can see your routing tables with /sbin/route -n |
| 20:32.39 | sburger | i've got inspiron 600m running sarge and when i type startx i the error no screens found in my xconfig log. any suggestions? i am a newbie:) |
| 20:33.02 | sepski | !drxx sburger |
| 20:33.02 | dpkg | sburger: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:33.09 | stew | sburger: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 20:33.33 | c01100011 | where can i get a backported version of gcc i am trying to install vmware and it wants to compile using 3.3.4 (what my kernel was built with) |
| 20:33.40 | sburger | stew: thanks |
| 20:33.42 | tdonahue | no, the routing table is correct (10.2/24 goes to eth1, eth1 has an IP of 10.2.0.224, the gateway is 10.2.0.1 and the other computer is 10.2.0.147) |
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| 20:34.32 | Gathond | tdonahue: and what does it say about the NIC the data actually goes to |
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| 20:35.07 | stew | tdonahue: and its sending on eth0 or something? |
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| 20:35.18 | sburger | stew: it's not responding |
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| 20:35.31 | stew | !tell sburger about no screens found |
| 20:35.51 | tdonahue | Gathond, 172.18.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 20:36.22 | ecobit | i am in a chrooted sarge and when i run dh_make i notice that changelog says "unstable". is this correct or is it somehow detecting this from the host dist? |
| 20:36.23 | tdonahue | stew, yes, that is the problem, eth1 is directly connected to the network, but it is trying to send it over eth0 |
| 20:36.24 | sburger | stew: see what i mean:) |
| 20:36.32 | stew | sburger: no |
| 20:36.37 | dupondje | hi guys, got a shit problem, i have a lvm with some hdd's, and i want to remove a hdd now, to put in a bigger one, but when i try to pvmode /dev/hda1, i get ' No extents available for allocation', but there is 100gb free space, and hda1 is only 93gb !! |
| 20:36.41 | dupondje | any id's , |
| 20:36.52 | nite613 | Are there any debian tools to facilitate liveCD creation based on debian? |
| 20:36.59 | sburger | stew: i didn't get a response from the bot |
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| 20:37.00 | Gathond | tdonahue: hmmm and there is no iptables configuration in place that might change the path of packages? |
| 20:37.12 | enveezee | nite613: bootcd package |
| 20:37.26 | moto1 | how would I remap certain keys for myself when I start my session in debian via ssh? |
| 20:37.32 | stew | sburger: is it in another window on your irc client? |
| 20:37.37 | nite613 | enveezee: Thanks |
| 20:37.47 | sburger | stew: sorry new to irssi :) |
| 20:37.49 | moto1 | suppose I wanted CTRL mapped to TAB, but just for me? |
| 20:37.57 | stew | tdonahue: is that 172.18.0.0 the only line in the routing table for eth0? |
| 20:37.58 | takatumi | sburger: /query dpkg no screens found |
| 20:38.01 | tdonahue | Gathond, as far as i know iptables is not enabled |
| 20:38.08 | enveezee | nite613: try wording it like it was actually a possibility next time.. consider the fact there are over 100 debian based live cds |
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| 20:38.40 | stew | sburger: ctrl-n ctrl-p will switch between windows, or alt-# to go to a specific window, the red number in the Act: in the status bar is a window with traffic for you |
| 20:39.05 | stew | tdonahue: and how do you know its sending on eth0? |
| 20:39.06 | takatumi | irssi rox0rs! |
| 20:39.06 | tdonahue | stew, yes, it should be, eth0 is 172.18.0.1 and there is nothing else on that network, as i said it is just a dummy address so eth0 will start automatically |
| 20:39.09 | sburger | stew: thanks |
| 20:39.55 | tdonahue | stew, ethereal/tcpdump capture the traffic going out on eth0 with an IP address of 172.18.0.1 to an address of 10.2.0.147 |
| 20:40.04 | stew | tdonahue: is it possible that you and your machine don't agree on which card is eth0 and which is eth1? |
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| 20:40.10 | moto1 | is there any way to remap keys? |
| 20:40.21 | enveezee | moto1: yes |
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| 20:40.47 | moto1 | enveezee how? |
| 20:40.59 | dpower | how do i go about tunneling http traffic thru ssh? |
| 20:41.10 | tdonahue | stew, why would it do that? eth1 and eth0 are assigned by the kernel and when I pull one of the network cables, the correct card goes down |
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| 20:41.33 | enveezee | moto1: depends on what your real question is |
| 20:41.55 | enveezee | moto1: the one that includes the context nessicary to gain a useful answer |
| 20:41.59 | potemkin | dpower-- from where to where |
| 20:42.12 | moto1 | enveezee: in the end I want to be able to use CTRL as TAB when I login to my server via SSH |
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| 20:42.16 | dpower | from my server to the local machine im ssh'ing from |
| 20:42.39 | enveezee | moto1: so console keymapping I guess |
| 20:42.44 | moto1 | enveezee: I do not want to affect other users though; I know it's possible for a local keyboard but I don't know how to do it from console |
| 20:42.49 | moto1 | enveezee: manpage? |
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| 20:43.18 | enveezee | moto1: consolechars maybe |
| 20:43.59 | chipdalf | does uw-pop-server in sarge work out of the box with exim? |
| 20:44.21 | potemkin | dpower man ssh, look for something like ssh -L 80:yourwebserver:80 yourwebserver |
| 20:44.24 | stew | tdonahue: wanna paste the output of "ip addr" and "ip route" somewhere? |
| 20:44.37 | stew | tdonahue: err ifconfig / iproute whichever... |
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| 20:45.34 | dpower | k |
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| 20:47.57 | paster | "tdonahue" at 69.177.92.66 pasted "ifconfig -a / netstat -rn for stew" (61 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/471 |
| 20:48.41 | stew | tdonahue: 10.2.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 20:48.45 | stew | thats why |
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| 20:49.03 | stew | oh |
| 20:49.04 | stew | wait |
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| 20:49.21 | stew | sorry i got confused there |
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| 20:50.19 | stew | this is odd: inet addr:10.2.0.224 Bcast:10.2.8.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 20:50.26 | stew | the broadcast is not on your network there |
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| 20:51.32 | tdonahue | stew, that was a typo... the bcast should be 10.2.0.255 (company forces me to obfusify the internal addresses) |
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| 20:52.08 | tdonahue | its a pain in the ass, but you can only argue so much... |
| 20:52.29 | nvz | I dont know why you would use something other than the internal class c |
| 20:52.35 | nvz | outlined |
| 20:52.45 | lasermike | hello all. |
| 20:52.58 | tdonahue | it is an internal class c (from the private class a address space....) |
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| 20:53.16 | nvz | 10.0.0.* was alotted but I dont know about 10.2.0.* |
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| 20:53.43 | stew | 10.2.0.* is a subnet of a class a not a class c, but classfull routing is a thing of the past |
| 20:53.47 | tdonahue | nvz 10.0.0/8 is alloted it rfc 1918 |
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| 20:54.11 | tdonahue | errr... in rfc1918 that is... |
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| 20:54.32 | lasermike | anyone here good at fixing sound? |
| 20:54.48 | jredburn | is it possible to set a umask for a directory? (ie. i want 022 most places but 002 in a specific directory, for all users) |
| 20:55.18 | stew | tdonahue: other than the incorrect broadcast address i don't see anything there that could be causing what you are describin |
| 20:55.24 | drac | lasermike: just ask (in channel) |
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| 20:56.00 | tdonahue | stew, that is what I thought... i'm just going to have to worry about it on monday |
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| 20:56.27 | tdonahue | stew, thanks for your help |
| 20:56.28 | lasermike | thank you, just install sarge on a compaq/hp box. it has an intel 8280 audio controller. |
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| 20:56.57 | lasermike | at first, no sound. started esd and it started to work. |
| 20:57.12 | lasermike | but it would start automatically. |
| 20:57.13 | kokkoo | does an intelligent router exist for linux\debian ? features such as providing http capping, some sort of quality of service, which you can specify yourself.. ? |
| 20:57.27 | lasermike | apt-get'ed alsa and its been pritty much dead. |
| 20:57.34 | lasermike | soundcore is loaded. |
| 20:57.41 | prock | kokko: I would try linux/debian. |
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| 20:58.08 | lasermike | alsa is looking for a bunch of snd_* but they're are not there and i don't know where to get them. |
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| 20:58.18 | lasermike | any idea's? |
| 20:58.28 | SDFH_Linux | easiest way to get all of the kde desktop what is the command |
| 20:58.31 | drac | lasermike: a) apt-get install alsa-base b) run alsaconf (to detect your card, load modules) c) add yourself to audio group (adduser user audio) |
| 20:58.43 | lasermike | roger. |
| 20:58.45 | kokkoo | prock : hehe any specific idea? |
| 20:58.48 | lasermike | i'll give it a shot. |
| 20:59.03 | drac | SDFH_Linux: apt-get install x-window-system-core kde |
| 20:59.10 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 21:00.15 | sburger | stew: so the EE error is "no devices detected" |
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| 21:01.36 | lasermike | no go on the alsaconf. |
| 21:01.37 | johill | I feel stupid now. I just filed a bug report against a package that had a binary only NMU. The package before the nmu had one bug, the package after another. what should I do? |
| 21:01.40 | smhar | can you believe this.. a visual studio for linux drom ms |
| 21:01.43 | johill | the package in question is libpng12-0 |
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| 21:01.47 | johill | (on powerpc) |
| 21:01.50 | lasermike | i'm getting a modinfo: snd: not module by that name. |
| 21:02.28 | chipdalf | bye... |
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| 21:03.33 | lasermike | any ideas on the alsa thing? |
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| 21:04.22 | antgel_ | not much happening in #mutt. my maildir is mounted via nfs. is it best practice to read |
| 21:04.25 | antgel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.27 | antgel_ | oops :) |
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| 21:04.53 | takatumi | lasermike: which sound card is it? |
| 21:04.57 | nvz | gawd |
| 21:05.23 | lasermike | itel audio control 83801EB |
| 21:05.27 | lasermike | on board. |
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| 21:05.48 | takatumi | lasermike: do you know the module name to load? |
| 21:05.58 | smhar | you can check Visual Studio fore Linux here |
| 21:06.10 | smhar | oops |
| 21:06.14 | lasermike | not sure exactly. |
| 21:06.14 | smhar | you can check Visual Studio fore Linux here http://dev.mainsoft.com/ |
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| 21:06.32 | lasermike | i'll go in that direction and look closer at alsa. |
| 21:06.32 | dogmeat | <RuDeGiRL[AWAY]> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos |
| 21:06.43 | smhar | not sure it is a good thing though |
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| 21:06.58 | lasermike | or here is a better idea. in you opinion, what sound system is best? |
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| 21:07.33 | dogmeat | which linux util converts ms dos file ? |
| 21:07.45 | ufoalien | RuDeGiRL[AWAY]: shut up |
| 21:07.54 | ufoalien | i don't want your pr0n |
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| 21:08.05 | nvz | tr would work if you knew what chars you want to translate.. there are other tools though I cant think of them |
| 21:08.11 | Gathond | dogmeat: dos2unix, or you might be able to use one of several editors |
| 21:08.22 | dogmeat | ufoalien: RuDeGiRL[AWAY] is a bot |
| 21:08.23 | sburger | stew: so the EE error is "no devices detected" |
| 21:08.33 | dogmeat | Gathond: thanks |
| 21:08.41 | ufoalien | dogmeat: a g33k pr0n bot? ;) |
| 21:08.51 | sburger | does anybody have any suggestions? |
| 21:09.00 | dogmeat | ufoalien: yeah, should be kicked from server |
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| 21:09.10 | Gathond | sburger: use a driver that supports you card probably |
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| 21:09.20 | takatumi | lasermike: ALSA works great here, just load the right module, install alsa-base and -utils, run alsamixer, unmute, done. |
| 21:09.30 | Ronin | !ops RuDeGiRL[AWAY] is a porn bot |
| 21:09.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: RuDeGiRL[AWAY] is a porn bot |
| 21:09.38 | sburger | Gathond: how do i find out what driver to use |
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| 21:09.49 | lasermike | hmmm. |
| 21:09.53 | war- | Debian RAID or KVM for the same disks under 2.6?? Which is better? RAID1 or LVM RAID 1? |
| 21:09.55 | lasermike | alright, alsa it is. |
| 21:10.04 | lasermike | i'll take your advice. |
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| 21:10.11 | lasermike | thankyou. have to run. later. |
| 21:10.17 | Gathond | sburger: find out what card you have, then google or read the manual for the X version you use, they usually describe drivers and supported chipsets |
| 21:10.23 | Ronin | now lets go see if those teens in the videos are really sexy |
| 21:10.31 | sburger | Gathond: thanks |
| 21:10.59 | nefarius | Ronin: plz advise |
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| 21:11.59 | idis_ | is there a good terminal rss reader which keeps history? |
| 21:12.09 | Ronin | damn, not even porn some turkish, i think, website |
| 21:12.34 | ufoalien | :D |
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| 21:17.05 | mithi | hi could someone help me? i want to allow a user to connect with inet. i use sudoers for that. i understand everything but that line Cmnd_Alias INET=/bin/istart in each howto there is another name for that file. I don't understnad how to creat that file. i always start my internet with pon bla as root. Are there other possibilities? |
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| 21:17.11 | muesli | hey guys |
| 21:17.18 | muesli | i need a "decent sources.list" |
| 21:17.26 | muesli | since the non-US thingy, my whole system is fucked |
| 21:17.27 | mithi | .. |
| 21:17.32 | muesli | some kde packages are 3.4, others are 3.3.2 |
| 21:17.32 | Shadowcat | muesli: non-US doesn't exist |
| 21:17.41 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 21:17.42 | Shadowcat | wtf |
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| 21:17.46 | muesli | Shadowcat: thats what i meant |
| 21:17.49 | Shadowcat | KDE 3.4 is in experimental |
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| 21:17.56 | Shadowcat | don't tell me you're running experimental |
| 21:18.02 | muesli | i would ;-) |
| 21:18.06 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 21:18.08 | Shadowcat | reinstall |
| 21:18.14 | Shadowcat | you don't know what you've gotten yourself into |
| 21:18.49 | muesli | well, i kinda know dont worry |
| 21:18.55 | muesli | i've been packaging debian stuff myself for ages |
| 21:19.02 | muesli | just didnt use it for a few months now |
| 21:19.05 | zinx | you've screwed your system over |
| 21:19.06 | mithi | when u don't know that there is no more Non-US then that is a fact the experimental would kill u :P |
| 21:19.08 | muesli | and when i ran the update hell broke lose |
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| 21:19.21 | zinx | well duh, you're using experimental |
| 21:19.21 | Shadowcat | agreed mith |
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| 21:19.27 | zinx | what'd you expect it to do when you updated? |
| 21:19.29 | Shadowcat | dude listen |
| 21:19.35 | Shadowcat | half of the stuff in unstable is broken at the moment |
| 21:19.38 | muesli | well, i didnt expect it to remove all of my kde ;-) |
| 21:19.41 | Shadowcat | due to a gcc-4.0 transition |
| 21:19.49 | muesli | Shadowcat: i see, that explains a lot |
| 21:19.57 | Shadowcat | muesli: then you're NOT SKILLED enough to run either unstable OR experimental |
| 21:19.59 | Shadowcat | end of story |
| 21:20.00 | zinx | it's experimental, it's there *BECAUSE* it's broken |
| 21:20.00 | muesli | well as mentioned, didnt use it for a few months |
| 21:20.07 | Dakishi | hey can anyone tell me a page that exlpain why are there so many distro of linux please, ive already tried google.com but it s no help XO |
| 21:20.20 | Shadowcat | muesli: then you should read up on bug reports before you go typing "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
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| 21:20.23 | muesli | zinx: i'm not running experimental, i just said i would |
| 21:20.31 | Shadowcat | muesli: yes you are |
| 21:20.32 | zinx | unstable is merely "well, it would be ok if i didn't compile the package drunk while at a party last night" |
| 21:20.37 | Shadowcat | KDE 3.4 is experimental |
| 21:20.45 | mithi | becasue linux is opensource 00 full free so everyone can make his own version of linux :) |
| 21:20.56 | muesli | Shadowcat: nah, that was my last kde 3.4 source #deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 ./ |
| 21:21.05 | Shadowcat | zinx: you're implying that most computer programmers aren't high on kaffeine |
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| 21:21.19 | Shadowcat | muesli: yes and Alioth is even worse than experimental |
| 21:21.21 | pedro420 | Could someone hre tell my why my libfasttrack would not want to work ? |
| 21:21.26 | Shadowcat | doesn't matter, you're in way over your head |
| 21:21.32 | Shadowcat | if you don't want to reinstall |
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| 21:21.40 | Shadowcat | I doubt anyone in here will help you get out of the mess you're in |
| 21:21.52 | mithi | Shadowcat: Do you know an answer for my question i wrote above? |
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| 21:22.22 | Ungy | hmm how do I downgrade a package in debian sid my gftp keeps disapearing on crashes on me |
| 21:22.24 | Shadowcat | mith: uhh |
| 21:22.28 | Shadowcat | that's not really English :/ |
| 21:22.34 | mithi | xD |
| 21:22.34 | muesli | Shadowcat: i can help myself, dont worry. |
| 21:22.50 | muesli | Shadowcat: the information i got explained quite something, thanks for that |
| 21:23.09 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: just install the specific version that you want using '=' in apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 21:23.27 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: if the version isn't available, add a snapshot.debian.net line to your configuration. |
| 21:23.47 | Shadowcat | Ungy: man dpkg |
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| 21:24.25 | martin | hi, how do i add gdm to boot runlevel? |
| 21:24.27 | Ungy | thanks I maybe I shoudl report the bug I dunno I didn;t see it |
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| 21:26.15 | tarzeau | nefarius: yeah i got them |
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| 21:26.30 | tarzeau | nefarius: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/xrick/ |
| 21:26.33 | deadcat | martin: install it and it will run |
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| 21:30.34 | euphor][a | deadcat, automatically? what if i install kdm, how do i set which will run on boot? |
| 21:30.57 | Ries | in debian testing I can't get mysql working, no matter what I do (but I must have missed something) |
| 21:31.04 | Ries | can anybody give me a hand?> |
| 21:32.08 | dondelelcaro | Ries: you're going to have to explain in much more detail what isn't working and what you've tried to do. |
| 21:32.25 | Ries | dondelelcaro: this is what I did |
| 21:32.31 | Ries | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 21:32.50 | Ries | the complete installation whent fine, no missing libs etc... (remember this is on testing) |
| 21:33.02 | Ries | when I do /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 21:33.31 | dupondje | hi guys, got a shit problem, i have a lvm with some hdd's, and i want to remove a hdd now, to put in a bigger one, but when i try to pvmode /dev/hda1, i get ' No extents available for allocation', but there is 100gb free space, and hda1 is only 93gb !! |
| 21:33.32 | Ries | it sits and wait, then I get a message that mysqld....failed to start |
| 21:33.34 | dupondje | any id ? :( |
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| 21:34.00 | kados | what's the best way to search package contents from the command line (and package names for that matter) |
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| 21:34.27 | Ries | I tried mysql-server-4.1 and mysql-server (4.0.24 version if I remember correctly) |
| 21:34.28 | znx | kados: apt-cache search pacakge |
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| 21:34.43 | caller | Problem...I am running an installer file in Wine, I keep getting this: http://pastebin.com/335553 |
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| 21:34.54 | kados | znx: thanks |
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| 21:35.14 | Fred19726 | Hi, how do i tell file-roller to open files in an archive with a different than the default application ? |
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| 21:35.39 | Groggo | Hello i ned a big help =) to install a bittrorent tracker on sarge |
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| 21:36.17 | chealer | tarzeau: do you believe that gnustep in debian is dead? |
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| 21:39.24 | madclicker | need a help with a script to " ls" a content of a directory an and create empty files for each entry in a current directory. |
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| 21:42.38 | madclicker | does this makes sence "for $ in /var/www/html/ do touch ./$" ??? |
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| 21:43.03 | madclicker | dondelelcaro: you here? |
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| 21:43.12 | jeremywhiting | is that supposed to be bash? |
| 21:43.20 | madclicker | eheehhe |
| 21:43.26 | jeremywhiting | or perl? |
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| 21:43.37 | madclicker | bash or perl aslong as it works |
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| 21:44.25 | _comp7 | Hi all, I want to sync a passwd (and group & shadow) file between two computers, so users can login on both servers with the same credentials. Unfortunately, I cannot simply sync the file, because some applications have different user- and group-ID's. Is there a way to change the group-numbers on a server and change all permissions accordingly, or is there some way of partially syncing passwd? |
| 21:44.25 | s_ward | madclicker: $ isn't a variable name (in bash): for i in /var/www/html/ ; do touch ./$i ; done |
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| 21:44.25 | jeremywhiting | probably want something like "for f in /var/www/html/; do; touch ./$f; done" |
| 21:44.25 | dabaR | !test |
| 21:44.25 | dpkg | No, dabar, you're not online any more. |
| 21:44.25 | s_ward | (well, it is, actually) |
| 21:44.25 | prock | _comp7: man find |
| 21:44.37 | dabaR | well, I am sure lagging considerably. |
| 21:44.39 | SuperFly | how can i tell if debian sees both cpus? |
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| 21:44.55 | Shadowcat | SuperFly: what does uname -a give you? |
| 21:44.59 | madclicker | s_ward, jeremywhiting: am jelous |
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| 21:45.06 | SuperFly | Linux uslv-alog-01 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Thu May 19 17:27:55 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:45.06 | madclicker | thanks a bunch guys |
| 21:45.17 | Shadowcat | SuperFly: it sees both processors |
| 21:45.21 | SuperFly | hrm |
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| 21:45.24 | madclicker | one of these days illnail this bash scripting good |
| 21:45.25 | Shadowcat | unless you happen to have one disabled in the bios |
| 21:45.27 | SuperFly | shouldn't 'top' show me two? |
| 21:45.27 | Shadowcat | but to be sure |
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| 21:45.33 | Shadowcat | SuperFly: yes |
| 21:45.38 | jeremywhiting | no problem |
| 21:46.17 | SuperFly | what does it show up in top as? |
| 21:46.17 | SuperFly | heh |
| 21:46.19 | SuperFly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:46.43 | LSorensen | SuperFly: not unless you hit '1' or something to toggle the display mode |
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| 21:46.50 | s_ward | madclicker: you probably want `basename $i`, unless you want to touch files in ./var/www/html/ |
| 21:47.07 | _comp7 | prock: I see, I'll read that. Thanks |
| 21:47.09 | SuperFly | ah |
| 21:47.11 | SuperFly | there she is :) |
| 21:47.12 | SuperFly | thanks |
| 21:47.24 | LSorensen | SuperFly: you would however if it was busy see two processes using 100% cpu each. |
| 21:47.37 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: ? |
| 21:47.49 | prock | _comp7: there is no easy way AFAIK. I think you'll have to find from '/' and xargs the chown |
| 21:47.50 | madclicker | dondelelcaro: how you doing |
| 21:47.51 | madclicker | ? |
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| 21:48.01 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: good... wassup? |
| 21:48.03 | madclicker | s_ward: thats a bit over my head |
| 21:48.17 | cuti | LCD monitor and CRT. Which one do you think best? |
| 21:48.31 | madclicker | dondelelcaro: am plugging along slowly, learning bash :) |
| 21:48.37 | LSorensen | cuti: depends on the needs |
| 21:48.41 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: good |
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| 21:48.54 | cuti | LSorensen: for gaming |
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| 21:49.16 | benley | anyone know what's up with Alioth right now? |
| 21:49.20 | LSorensen | cuti: lcd is great for single resolution, using little space and power, crt is great for using many resolutions, faster refresh |
| 21:49.32 | LSorensen | benley: what about alioth? |
| 21:49.33 | cuti | oh, i see |
| 21:49.38 | cuti | thx LSorense_ |
| 21:49.46 | benley | LSorensen: I can't even resolve alioth.debian.org, and I've tried from several completely different places |
| 21:49.54 | LSorensen | cuti: well an lcd is ok at integer divisions of resolution, so 1600x1200 is ok at 800x600 too |
| 21:49.57 | abrotman | benley: it's not just you |
| 21:50.01 | benley | LSorensen: correction, I can resolve it from some places but not others |
| 21:50.01 | LSorensen | benley: don't know |
| 21:50.07 | benley | and I cannot access it, anyway |
| 21:50.19 | cuti | LSorensen: is it slow compare to CRT? |
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| 21:50.24 | LSorensen | cuti: a 1600x1200 lcd looks terrible at 1024x768 though |
| 21:50.30 | benley | abrotman: known issue, then? |
| 21:50.31 | _comp7 | prock: yes, that seems the way reading the doc. I'll think it will work, better that than reinstalling... |
| 21:50.37 | cuti | oh |
| 21:50.39 | LSorensen | cuti: an LCD does refresh a bit slower, although they are getting better |
| 21:50.47 | s_ward | if you are in directory /bar and have /var/www/html/foo, doing what me and jeremywhiting suggested would try to touch /bar/var/www/html/foo |
| 21:50.53 | s_ward | madclicker: ^^^ |
| 21:50.59 | LSorensen | cuti: on the other hand an lcd doesn't flicker at 60hz, where as a crt needs 75hz+ |
| 21:51.02 | cuti | i want to order a samsung 21 inches lcd but maybe i change my mind |
| 21:51.16 | abrotman | benley: i can't resolve it via comcast dns servers |
| 21:51.26 | madclicker | s_ward: touch: cannot touch `.//var/www/html/': No such file or directory......thats it |
| 21:51.27 | Ronin | cuti: order it and give it to me, i love my samsung 17" |
| 21:51.27 | LSorensen | cuti: supposedly the dell 2001fp is one of the nicest 1600x1200 20" and has rather fast refresh |
| 21:51.30 | benley | cuti: I'm gonna get a dell 2005fpw, 20" widescreen. Same panel as the apple 20" one. |
| 21:51.43 | cuti | oh |
| 21:51.48 | s_ward | madclicker: so instead of ./$i, you do ./`basename $i` |
| 21:51.50 | benley | unless I decide to go nuts and get a 2405fpw like I have at work |
| 21:51.53 | LSorensen | benley: seems decent, but 1600x1050 is an odd size |
| 21:51.53 | madclicker | I nneed to create just empty files in /bar for every entry of /var/www/html |
| 21:51.53 | antgel_ | mind going blank. best place to set machine-wide environment variables? |
| 21:51.54 | cuti | dell has fast refesh rate? |
| 21:52.01 | benley | LSorensen: *shrug* I like wide displays |
| 21:52.09 | LSorensen | benley: that one I would like too. 1920x1600 I can deal with |
| 21:52.19 | LSorensen | benley: er x1200 I mean |
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| 21:52.33 | benley | LSorensen: you should see my desk, then :) |
| 21:52.35 | LSorensen | cuti: 12ms I think |
| 21:52.36 | benley | LSorensen: http://zoiks.net/~benley/desk.jpg |
| 21:52.44 | cuti | wow, nice |
| 21:52.48 | cuti | samsung has 25ms |
| 21:52.49 | abrotman | cuti: go to dell's website .. they list the specs ... |
| 21:52.53 | abrotman | and i don't htink it's 12 |
| 21:52.54 | cuti | ok |
| 21:52.56 | abrotman | i think it's a bit higher |
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| 21:53.07 | LSorensen | benley: is that TWO 2405s? |
| 21:53.12 | benley | LSorensen: yep |
| 21:53.20 | LSorensen | cuti: 25ms is only 40hz, that would suck for games |
| 21:53.29 | LSorensen | cuti: and that's 25ms best case, not worst case |
| 21:53.37 | LSorensen | benley: damn you! who paid for that? |
| 21:53.42 | benley | LSorensen: my employer |
| 21:53.51 | LSorensen | benley: well lucky you. :) |
| 21:54.00 | cuti | Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD Monitor with Height Adjustable Stand $1,019.15 |
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| 21:54.06 | cuti | very expensive :) |
| 21:54.14 | abrotman | LSorensen: you mean you don't use a projector as a monitor in your office? |
| 21:54.18 | madclicker | s_ward: thanks, also "/var/www/html/*" had to use that instead of "/var/www/html" it just did a touch of /bar/html |
| 21:54.45 | madclicker | hey abrotman |
| 21:54.47 | abrotman | hi |
| 21:54.47 | SuperFly | another question........ i just upgraded to the debian 2.6.8 kernel.... i get errors about IDE devices.... like: hda: CRD-8482B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive, hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xfffffffdfc), hdc: IRQ probe failed, hdd: IRQ probe failed, hdd: IRQ probe failed, cdrom: open failed |
| 21:54.50 | s_ward | madclicker: hehe, we just like to make you work things out, honest :) |
| 21:54.52 | antgel_ | antgel_: /etc/environment :) |
| 21:54.59 | SuperFly | in /var/log/messages and also on the console |
| 21:55.07 | SuperFly | machine has scsi drives |
| 21:55.10 | madclicker | s_ward: buhhh |
| 21:55.23 | benley | so, now I can ping alioth, but not make port 80 connections to it |
| 21:55.33 | abrotman | benley: you're not alone :) |
| 21:55.41 | madclicker | s_ward: np problems, i wont detact any points |
| 21:55.46 | madclicker | this time around |
| 21:55.52 | benley | abrotman: guess I'll have to be patient then |
| 21:56.15 | boink | has anyone managed to get the vesafb-tng patch to work with 2.6.12? |
| 21:56.29 | Technel | Okay, I am using gFTP (yes, a GUI FTP client -- don't ask). It connects to my webhost's server fine (I have tested on Windows XP, and it uploads/downloads fine), but when I try to upload a file, it says "Cannot look up hostname file:: Name or service not known". I ran a search on Google and found something regarding the /etc/hosts file...Anyone have any ideas as to the problem? gFTP doesn't really have a channel, and it is bundled |
| 21:56.29 | Technel | with Debian -- so I thought I would ask here (well, I suppose the GNOME channel...). |
| 21:56.59 | abrotman | hrm .. what's that URL that has the status of the debian machines ? |
| 21:57.11 | madclicker | s_ward: it's like " a cop stops me last week and asks me "Can I see your drivers licence?" so I replied " you guys took it two weeks ago" :) |
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| 21:57.33 | abrotman | i thought it was db.debian.org/status.cgi |
| 21:58.07 | cheal | abrotman: http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi ? |
| 21:58.25 | boink | Technel, what's in your /etc/hosts? |
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| 21:58.42 | abrotman | cheal: yeah .. i just found it |
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| 21:58.49 | Technel | boink: http://pastebin.com/335567 |
| 21:58.57 | tarzeau | chealer: no |
| 21:58.57 | nefarius | check this out |
| 21:58.59 | nefarius | my coworker |
| 21:59.10 | nefarius | has this awesome setup with 4 laptops using the same x display |
| 21:59.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:59.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: no |
| 21:59.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
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| 21:59.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: no |
| 21:59.31 | abrotman | http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi |
| 21:59.34 | abrotman | try it you lazy turk! |
| 21:59.41 | abrotman | err .. swiss |
| 21:59.59 | benley | nefarius: 4 laptops sounds annoying |
| 22:00.10 | boink | Technel, did you try using your webhost's ip instead of hostname, or vice versa? |
| 22:00.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm talking to chealer, not cheal |
| 22:00.18 | abrotman | no |
| 22:00.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: and yes i know he is not visible in here |
| 22:00.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: no what? |
| 22:00.41 | abrotman | benley: i had an sgi monitor that had two inputs .. i could use the SGI and my PC with the same monitor .. but 4 seems excessive |
| 22:00.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: no! |
| 22:01.12 | Technel | boink: I am just trying to connect to a shared webhost, I didn't think I would have to make any modifications to the /etc/hosts file for that... |
| 22:01.18 | nefarius | anyway two of the displays blank out |
| 22:01.19 | abrotman | benley: of course .. the inputs were different .. one vga .. the other 13w3 |
| 22:01.22 | benley | heh |
| 22:01.23 | nefarius | so what might be causing this? |
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| 22:01.24 | nefarius | apmd? |
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| 22:01.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't think gnustep in debian is dead |
| 22:01.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: i had cheese for lunch |
| 22:01.44 | nefarius | does gnustep look like afterstep |
| 22:01.49 | benley | abrotman: I've been thinking of sticking another 20" LCD in between the two 2405fpws, but that seems like it would be totally excessive |
| 22:01.50 | boink | Technel, does normal cli ftp work? |
| 22:01.50 | tarzeau | nefarius: no |
| 22:01.54 | abrotman | it looks like crap |
| 22:01.58 | nefarius | haha |
| 22:02.05 | tarzeau | nefarius: it looks alot better. abrotman is right, afterstep looks like crap |
| 22:02.06 | Technel | boink: cli? |
| 22:02.08 | nefarius | what all controls blanking screens |
| 22:02.14 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 22:02.15 | dpkg | dpms is probably know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option"DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 22:02.30 | abrotman | nefarius: instead of "on" .. "off" |
| 22:02.41 | abrotman | nice |
| 22:02.57 | abrotman | !dpms =~ s/Option"DPMS"/Option "DPMS"/ |
| 22:02.58 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 22:03.03 | boink | Technel, command line ftp |
| 22:03.08 | abrotman | command line? |
| 22:03.14 | abrotman | what is this .. command line? |
| 22:03.19 | abrotman | do i have one in XP? |
| 22:03.49 | cheal | tarzeau: how do you think the FHS issue is going to be solved? |
| 22:03.56 | tarzeau | cheal: not at all |
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| 22:04.09 | tarzeau | cheal: FHS sucks, no question |
| 22:04.11 | Technel | boink: I am testing it now |
| 22:04.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's still FHS |
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| 22:04.25 | tarzeau | cheal: i'm all for /System, /Local and /Network |
| 22:04.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: so? |
| 22:04.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can fork debian |
| 22:04.48 | cheal | tarzeau: argh. starting with capitalized letters :?? |
| 22:04.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: do it! .. we need another "Based on Debian" pile of crap :) |
| 22:04.53 | tarzeau | cheal: yes, of course |
| 22:05.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: if debian forces me, so be it |
| 22:05.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you going to cry? |
| 22:05.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha |
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| 22:05.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: because of what ? certainly not because of anything software/computer related |
| 22:05.57 | fytrrr | m |
| 22:05.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: girls suck! |
| 22:05.59 | cheal | tarzeau: will the ftpmasters allow packages that don't respect the FHS anymore? |
| 22:06.01 | fytrrr | hio |
| 22:06.12 | abrotman | cheal: ask them |
| 22:06.15 | tarzeau | cheal: ask them. i'm not one |
| 22:06.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: fucker |
| 22:06.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: i would! |
| 22:06.29 | jvw | cheal: if it's noticed, we'll reject |
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| 22:06.43 | dondelelcaro | cheal: not following FHS is a serious bug (in most cases) |
| 22:06.47 | abrotman | jvw: you bastards! :) |
| 22:06.55 | jvw | cheal: however, gnustep is a tricky case, and currently under discussion on mailinglists... |
| 22:07.09 | tarzeau | cheal: the question still is how they interpret FHS |
| 22:07.14 | boink | Technel, you also might want to try out yafc... it has some nifty transfer features |
| 22:07.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe you should fix gnustep |
| 22:07.22 | tarzeau | cheal: i have a clear statement of eric |
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| 22:07.23 | cheal | damn...is this really jeroen on #debian...and speaking to me? !!! |
| 22:07.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe i can't |
| 22:07.36 | abrotman | cheal: do you need tissues? |
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| 22:07.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: any idea how? |
| 22:07.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: with l33t programming skills :) |
| 22:08.02 | Technel | boink: Yep, command-line ftp worked fine -- http://pastebin.com/335571 |
| 22:08.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: you really don't get it, eh? |
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| 22:08.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: gnustep has not just one /bin, it has 4 /bins |
| 22:08.16 | abrotman | don't get which part of it? |
| 22:08.17 | jvw | cheal: in Debian, there are no pop stars and generally you can simply speak with all of them if you want... |
| 22:08.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: GNUstep |
| 22:08.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: i understand that .. |
| 22:08.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: and where in FHS can i have 4 /bins ? |
| 22:08.44 | cheal | jvw: I'll take your answer as a definitive answer |
| 22:08.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: i was joking with you .. no more before-bed-crack for you |
| 22:08.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: don't tell me /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin or i'll kill you |
| 22:08.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: you forgot /sbin/ |
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| 22:09.01 | dondelelcaro | GNUstep's filesystem design is on serious crack |
| 22:09.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh man, i so know you are. |
| 22:09.08 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: no it's not |
| 22:09.16 | cheal | dondelelcaro: that's what I thought...but was wondering why tarzeau still thought gnustep wasn't dead in debian |
| 22:09.27 | nefarius | afterstep 4 lyfe |
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| 22:09.31 | dondelelcaro | cheal: it's not dead, it's just got issues. |
| 22:09.36 | boink | Technel, then it's most likely a setting in gftp somewhere that wants it to use hostnames... but I'm not too familiar with gftp, so I can't really help you much more, sorry dude |
| 22:09.42 | abrotman | lots of stuff has issues |
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| 22:09.46 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: there's a network exportable part, a local one, a system one and a user one (just like on OS X, NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP) |
| 22:09.47 | nefarius | abrotman: thanks i think that was the deal |
| 22:09.49 | s_ward | Who hardcodes to specific locations anyway? |
| 22:09.54 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: can you tell me what's on serious crack with that? |
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| 22:09.57 | cheal | jvw: hehe :) |
| 22:10.04 | Technel | boink: Well at least I know it isn't anything to do with my hosts file. I will check out YAFC. Thanks :) |
| 22:10.11 | SuperFly | you guys ever seen this error before: cdrom: open failed |
| 22:10.13 | tarzeau | s_ward: unix |
| 22:10.15 | boink | Technel, no problemo- good luck |
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| 22:10.20 | jvw | vorlon: dude |
| 22:10.21 | SuperFly | keeps happening.....gets displayed on my console and in messages |
| 22:10.21 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: the fact that it doesn't interoperate well with the filesystem that it's on. Instead it has decided that they way that the other steps does it is the proper way. |
| 22:10.27 | abrotman | SuperFly: yeah .. once .. unfortunate accident with superglue |
| 22:10.27 | vorlon | jvw: dude |
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| 22:10.42 | vorlon | lo siento, digo: dudes!!!1!!1! |
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| 22:10.47 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i accept patches |
| 22:10.53 | s_ward | tarzeau: as evil as it might be, autotools does a pretty good job of making sure _I_ don't have to decide where things go |
| 22:11.00 | lildude | what i do |
| 22:11.07 | tarzeau | s_ward: autotools eh? they also work on Windows ? |
| 22:11.09 | vorlon | lildude: you had great timing |
| 22:11.10 | abrotman | lildude: did you burp? |
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| 22:11.15 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: sure; I don't use it, so I'm just complaining about it in general. |
| 22:11.16 | s_ward | tarzeau: yeah, you need perl |
| 22:11.26 | lildude | burp? |
| 22:11.30 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: you'll notice that I haven't filed bugs about it either. |
| 22:11.31 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: that's fine |
| 22:11.34 | cheal | jvw, dondelelcaro: ok |
| 22:11.40 | nefarius | i'm mounting dirs on top of dirs with mount -o bind |
| 22:11.49 | nefarius | how do i get these to automount on reboot |
| 22:12.05 | abrotman | man fstab ? |
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| 22:12.10 | nefarius | lol |
| 22:12.21 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: another great thing is relocatable applications |
| 22:13.08 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: with 80% of the software in debian, can you install it into dpkg --root=/home/dondel/bin some.deb ? |
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| 22:13.12 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: and applications called 'Applications' |
| 22:13.35 | lildude | i dont burp total gent man here |
| 22:13.45 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: certainly better than gFTP or Konsole |
| 22:13.48 | Ronin | liar :) lildude |
| 22:13.57 | lildude | what |
| 22:13.57 | abrotman | lildude: you'd be rude in certain cultures :) |
| 22:14.02 | lildude | lol |
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| 22:14.30 | Ronin | heck i smack my lips loudly when i eat depending on the situation |
| 22:14.46 | abrotman | Ronin: you're a cow? |
| 22:14.58 | lildude | how can you hear a burp in text? |
| 22:15.05 | benley | abrotman: I wonder if he also farts 132 litres per hour |
| 22:15.16 | Ronin | abrotman: nope, married to a chinese woman though and her parents /grandparents are umm loud eaters shall we say |
| 22:15.18 | abrotman | uhm |
| 22:15.19 | nvz | always charge your batteries thats all I am saying. |
| 22:15.36 | abrotman | Ronin: i had a roomamate like that .. but he was from the states .. he was just weird :) |
| 22:15.44 | nvz | at least in your digita camera. |
| 22:16.02 | abrotman | Ronin: kind of sounded like when your dog totally chows on food and pushes the bowl all over .. but he was eating a hoagie :) |
| 22:16.02 | Ronin | nvz: missed some good shots i take it? |
| 22:16.06 | nvz | yeo |
| 22:16.08 | nvz | yep |
| 22:16.12 | abrotman | nvz: where'd you go? |
| 22:16.19 | nvz | nowhere |
| 22:16.20 | Ronin | abrotman: funny, i didnt see you at the dinner table last family gathering |
| 22:16.29 | abrotman | Ronin: not me .. my roommate |
| 22:16.45 | Ronin | cause you sure described the sounds to a tee |
| 22:16.46 | abrotman | Ronin: oh wait .. |
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| 22:17.28 | Cyis | beer sounds good |
| 22:17.37 | Ronin | got no sly fox but how about keiths red? |
| 22:17.45 | abrotman | Ronin: slyfoxbrew.com :) |
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| 22:17.48 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: well, at least those aren't generic names... the relocation bit is useful, of course... but then, the package itself should install in that location just fine; the real question is whether it will actually work there. |
| 22:17.52 | yuacht | hmm, when I changed from dhcp to static ip on my server it stopped to "allow" connections from internet (i have it on dmz in my router) any idea what might have happened? i can connect to in inside my local network. also the command i used where "ifconfig eth0 192.168.x.x" |
| 22:17.55 | luminerd | do RPM's work? |
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| 22:18.08 | Cyis | don_inlab: was great working with you at the booth this week... |
| 22:18.18 | Cyis | damn nick completion |
| 22:18.19 | abrotman | luminerd: not preferred .. but alien can convert RPMs |
| 22:18.26 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: heh. thanks for spending so much time there and helping out |
| 22:18.27 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: of course i want it to work where i relocate it. |
| 22:18.40 | luminerd | abrotman, what's the best way to get java for Firefox? |
| 22:18.42 | Cyis | dondelelcaro: not a problem... I enjoyed it |
| 22:18.47 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: now, for bonus points, try that with a library that GNUstep depends on. |
| 22:18.48 | abrotman | !tell luminerd about install java |
| 22:18.59 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: that's possible now with gnustep software in debian, imagine you split an app (to lib, bin, data across the fhs cruft) -> it won't work anymore |
| 22:19.04 | Cyis | as my fiance said to me... I was "in my element" :) |
| 22:19.17 | luminerd | abhisawa, what about hoary? |
| 22:19.19 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: and there's good reasons to be able to move apps between these four domains. |
| 22:19.23 | luminerd | * abrotman |
| 22:19.23 | nvz | I need to go buy a good camera of my own. smaller and better zoom. this one is alright. 8x optical 16x digital but I am rarely up on what I am photographing the zoom on this camera can see at least as far as I can but take it up as if I were there. Its better to have one that can see further than your eye with like 400x digital zoom though |
| 22:19.28 | Technel | boink: Just to let you know, the problem was that I was dragging the files into the server window when apparently you have to use the file browser included in gFTP. I think it was trying to download the file from my computer off the server :) |
| 22:19.41 | abrotman | luminerd: what about it .. hoary is ubuntu .. that would be answered in #ubuntu |
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| 22:19.47 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: for users, possibly, but not for Debian. |
| 22:19.47 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: what library are you talking about, kinda like libxml, libssl ? |
| 22:19.50 | vorlon | tarzeau: so why package them as Debian packages at all? Why not just build GNUstep bundles and distribute them? |
| 22:19.54 | luminerd | abrotman, oh, so sorry |
| 22:19.55 | moto1 | how do I remap ( to { and ) to } for a particular account's ssh session? |
| 22:20.00 | luminerd | I got banned from there I guess it's a package |
| 22:20.01 | luminerd | sorry |
| 22:20.07 | tarzeau | vorlon: i don't have the 11 archs that debian buildd has |
| 22:20.08 | Cyis | dondelelcaro: next year I'm gonna try and plan ahead earlier and be able to take more time off work so I can attend the entire expo |
| 22:20.15 | abrotman | luminerd: you were banned from here too for a while :) |
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| 22:20.25 | Ronin | doh needs flash installed |
| 22:20.27 | tarzeau | vorlon: bug reporting system, ease of apt-get install |
| 22:20.31 | luminerd | abrotman, why's that? |
| 22:20.37 | abrotman | Ronin: oh wait .. let me get you non flash site |
| 22:20.46 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: nice. yeah, I'm kind of lucky because I just have to drive up to attend; no need to get time off of work |
| 22:20.58 | abrotman | Ronin: hrm .. |
| 22:21.09 | abrotman | Ronin: http://www.slyfoxbeer.com/beerlist.asp |
| 22:21.19 | abrotman | Ronin: top is still flash .. bastards |
| 22:21.22 | Cyis | dondelelcaro: I'd already taken a lot of time off recently so 2 dys was pushing it |
| 22:21.29 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: sure, but if the package is in Debian, it really needs to follow Debian's policy, not whatever arbitrary policy gnustep things is best |
| 22:21.32 | abrotman | luminerd: you flew off the handle? |
| 22:21.38 | Cyis | heck I skip'd out on class Tuesday to hang out after the show |
| 22:21.40 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i agree |
| 22:21.43 | abrotman | luminerd: you freaked out .. started swearing at us .. |
| 22:21.44 | nvz | abrotman: and he doesnt use debian |
| 22:21.52 | vorlon | tarzeau: ok, so, I don't find any of those to be particularly convincing reasons why Debian should give special importance to GNUstep bundle relocatability. |
| 22:21.53 | concept10 | How do you find the number of packages installed using dpkg |
| 22:22.01 | abrotman | nvz: i know .. he's been banned from #ubuntu |
| 22:22.06 | Ronin | wow abrotman thats a busy brewery,liking this |
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| 22:22.16 | abrotman | Ronin: great place .. good food too |
| 22:22.17 | nvz | abrotman: *nod* yeah I know I talked to him few hours ago about it |
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| 22:22.33 | abrotman | concept10: dpkg -l | grep ii | wc -l |
| 22:22.45 | abrotman | concept10: more or less :) |
| 22:22.46 | tarzeau | vorlon: because debian wants to be universal and not restrictive? |
| 22:22.54 | akhayyat | i get the following messages whenever i try to load fequency scaling kernel module |
| 22:22.55 | akhayyat | speedstep-centrino: found "Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1500MHz": max frequency: 1500000kHz |
| 22:22.55 | akhayyat | speedstep-centrino: couldn't enable Enhanced SpeedStep |
| 22:23.02 | akhayyat | from dmesg |
| 22:23.03 | concept10 | abrotman, tthanks, thats a way |
| 22:23.04 | tarzeau | vorlon: i hope a solution can be found, but i can't think of any |
| 22:23.04 | abrotman | Ronin: and there are two locations .. the one has a great outdoor deck |
| 22:23.12 | vorlon | tarzeau: irrelevant platitudes. |
| 22:23.13 | abrotman | err patio |
| 22:23.14 | concept10 | who was banned from ubuntu? |
| 22:23.21 | nvz | your mom |
| 22:23.22 | abrotman | apparently luminerd was |
| 22:23.25 | luminerd | abrotman, I know not what you speak of, but w/e, gotta get to work, thx bye |
| 22:23.26 | akhayyat | it used to work all right until the system board got reploaced |
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| 22:23.50 | concept10 | nvz, my mom doesnt go there, she hangs in opensolaris |
| 22:23.51 | tarzeau | vorlon: what do you think about opal's arguments? /usr/lib/GNUstep is absolutely no more fine for etch? |
| 22:24.00 | nvz | concept10: oh yeah, what for? |
| 22:24.03 | abrotman | ok ... wasn't luminerd the guy who was screaming about wasting 10,000$ in here a few weeks ago? |
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| 22:24.27 | nvz | how, was he playing the slot machines ... ... ... |
| 22:24.32 | akhayyat | any ideas? |
| 22:24.33 | nvz | oh wait we dont have slot machines |
| 22:24.35 | SuperFly | that's fuqed up...... /dev/hda is my cdrom?? |
| 22:24.35 | concept10 | nvz, she is a sysadmin, developer |
| 22:24.40 | abrotman | nvz: bought machines with nvidia crap :) |
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| 22:24.48 | tarzeau | SuperFly: yes can very well be so |
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| 22:25.08 | coagen | anyone know vqadmin? |
| 22:25.09 | nvz | concept10: oh yeah? and works on opensolairs eh? I never even heard of it.. heh must be popular |
| 22:25.11 | vorlon | tarzeau: I think I'm still weighing the arguments, and would like to see further discussion on -policy; but in any case, I don't buy arguments grounded in "GNUstep shouldn't change how it builds for Debian because relocatability is important to us" |
| 22:25.13 | docgnome | Does anyone know of a free pdf tool that will let me change the size of the font? |
| 22:25.16 | abrotman | Ronin: http://www.slyfoxbeer.com/ph/food.asp |
| 22:25.26 | Ronin | abrotman: sure tease me like that |
| 22:25.39 | abrotman | Ronin: just be glad i don't show you the menu for warm daddy's :) |
| 22:25.41 | concept10 | nvz, she is a solaris developer, I said she hangs in opensolaris sometimes |
| 22:25.47 | abrotman | Ronin: are you located in the states ? |
| 22:25.53 | maxrenard | is it a problem to run sun jre 1.5update4 on debian 3.1 ? |
| 22:26.00 | nvz | abrotman: I liked nvidia. though I've had crap like S3, Tseng.. umm Trident.. Sis.. Cirrus.. etc most of my life |
| 22:26.01 | tarzeau | maxrenard: no |
| 22:26.02 | Alcor | Does someone have a freeradius package for debian stable that include TLS ? |
| 22:26.09 | abrotman | nvz: eww ... |
| 22:26.10 | Ronin | abrotman: nope, im one of your northern neighbors |
| 22:26.11 | nvz | concept10: oh does she work for sun? |
| 22:26.18 | abrotman | Ronin: you're .. quebecois? |
| 22:26.19 | concept10 | nvz, thats correct |
| 22:26.20 | maxrenard | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 22:26.35 | Ronin | new brunswick thank you very much abrotman :) |
| 22:26.39 | nvz | abrotman: look at what I got now in this AMD Athlon XP system |
| 22:26.46 | abrotman | Ronin: my mom lives in maine |
| 22:26.46 | nvz | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ProSavage KM133 (rev 03) |
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| 22:27.01 | yuacht | hmm, when I changed from dhcp to static ip on my server it stopped to "allow" connections from internet (i have it on dmz in my router) any idea what might have happened? i can connect to in inside my local network. also the command i used where "ifconfig eth0 192.168.x.x" anyone? |
| 22:27.02 | abrotman | Ronin: http://warmdaddys.com/dinner.htm ... |
| 22:27.07 | zbiw | join #debian-france |
| 22:27.13 | abrotman | nvz: you're odd :) |
| 22:27.22 | zbiw | scuse me |
| 22:27.22 | nvz | concept10: hmm. I am not sure if I could do that or not.. I would at least consider unlike working for MS |
| 22:27.25 | nvz | abrotman: its free |
| 22:27.29 | abrotman | ew |
| 22:27.39 | akhayyat | looks like no interest in the issue |
| 22:27.42 | tarzeau | vorlon: well i fear it'll be technically not possible to not break any application when hacking gnustep-make to have applications find data outside their own bundle |
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| 22:27.55 | benh | howdy all |
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| 22:28.07 | zbiw | hi |
| 22:28.07 | abrotman | !speedstep |
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| 22:28.07 | dpkg | hmm... speedstep is the frequency scaling feature found on some Intel mobile processors. Ask me about {cpufreq}. |
| 22:28.08 | nvz | abrotman: its better than trying to use the sound card as the primary output device |
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| 22:28.22 | abrotman | !tell akhayyat about cpufreq |
| 22:28.24 | tarzeau | vorlon: if it works, nice, one can create real bundles and distribute them. if it won't work, there will likely be no solution but remove it from debian or relax the fhs policy |
| 22:28.31 | zbiw | i'd juste like to know how to do to change de console's colour |
| 22:28.39 | abrotman | which color? |
| 22:28.40 | concept10 | nvz, you would |
| 22:28.54 | abrotman | Ronin: we have a few good places to eat in philly :) |
| 22:29.00 | vorlon | tarzeau: right, so, technical feasibility is an argument I buy. "we don't want to because it's contrary to GNUstep philosophy" is not. |
| 22:29.01 | nefarius | shut up |
| 22:29.01 | zbiw | the text appears white on black background |
| 22:29.04 | nefarius | i'm so hungry now |
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| 22:29.11 | abrotman | nefarius: would you like links to menus too? |
| 22:29.13 | zbiw | and i'd like the text to be green |
| 22:29.18 | nefarius | lol no |
| 22:29.22 | nefarius | wait for what |
| 22:29.28 | abrotman | food |
| 22:29.35 | nefarius | abrotman: where |
| 22:29.35 | benh | is there any way that I can 'fg' a command that I 'bg'-ed before I started my screen? I tried to 'fg pid' but that didnt work. I checked the man but I didnt get it? |
| 22:29.40 | nvz | concept10: I have strong belifs about doing work on technology and electronics type stuff. and they've caused me to look to other things for money in the past |
| 22:29.42 | abrotman | nefarius: in/around philly :) |
| 22:30.02 | abrotman | nefarius: we have a marrakesh here :) |
| 22:30.03 | Cyis | got a good recipe for fillet of "sole" |
| 22:30.19 | nefarius | benh: detach screen then fg |
| 22:30.33 | nefarius | benh: not sure if you can fg in a screen |
| 22:30.50 | concept10 | nvz, I understand that, but if you could get the perfect position there under your terms, I doubt that you would turn down the offer if you didnt have a job |
| 22:30.50 | nefarius | marrakesh |
| 22:30.51 | benh | nefarius: =( sadbot |
| 22:30.55 | nefarius | that sounds morrocan |
| 22:30.56 | zbiw | do ya know how to do ? |
| 22:31.02 | abrotman | nefarius: yeppers |
| 22:31.10 | benh | nefarius: thanks for the help |
| 22:31.22 | abrotman | zbiw: you really want a green screen? |
| 22:31.25 | nvz | concept10: I don't technically have a job now. but I got money made, and this is america.. all I got to do is go out there and get me some |
| 22:31.38 | Cyis | it's not easy being green |
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| 22:31.49 | zbiw | yeah |
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| 22:31.58 | zbiw | like the matrix |
| 22:32.01 | zbiw | lol |
| 22:32.03 | vladuz976 | can anybody help me? my man pages give me errors |
| 22:32.16 | zbiw | but i juste |
| 22:32.26 | zbiw | i just wanna test it |
| 22:32.32 | zbiw | just for fun |
| 22:32.40 | abrotman | zbiw: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/348512 ... google ? |
| 22:32.47 | zbiw | and i don't know if it's possible |
| 22:32.49 | abrotman | vladuz976: need more info :) |
| 22:32.50 | zbiw | thank's |
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| 22:33.12 | nvz | heh |
| 22:33.12 | zbiw | ho i'm newbie on irc chat so i'm sorry if i make mistake |
| 22:33.13 | CVirus | i'm going to partition a 160 g.b hd into 1 partition only taking the whole 160 g.b, does this has any performance drawbacks ? |
| 22:33.25 | zbiw | and i just speak english a little bit |
| 22:33.25 | edwards | just reinstall that |
| 22:33.25 | nvz | could they even open an MS Word attachment? |
| 22:33.26 | edwards | :) |
| 22:33.29 | abrotman | zbiw: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-8.html .. google? :) |
| 22:33.48 | concept10 | nvz, make that StarOffice or crapoffice |
| 22:33.50 | zbiw | thank you |
| 22:33.51 | Cyis | CVirus: how are you going to use that one partition? |
| 22:34.06 | abrotman | concept10: why not me? |
| 22:34.09 | vladuz976 | abrotman, http://rafb.net/paste/results/yRUQnU59.html |
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| 22:34.22 | abrotman | vladuz976: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:34.26 | CVirus | Cyis, I don't know, I just brought an extra 160 for usage as secondary storage, so I have no reason to make seperate partitions, only if it has something to do with performance |
| 22:34.30 | Cyis | CVirus: I have most of my 160GB drive setup as a single partition that's a LVM physical volume |
| 22:34.38 | vladuz976 | abrotman, what does that do |
| 22:35.06 | abrotman | vladuz976: fixes it? |
| 22:35.10 | abrotman | concept10: que? |
| 22:35.10 | vladuz976 | abrotman, no |
| 22:35.13 | Blissex | CVirus: as usual details matter a great deal... |
| 22:35.15 | abrotman | vladuz976: no? |
| 22:35.20 | Cyis | CVirus: that way I can create a logical volume for whatever reason or extend or shrink an existing volume as needed... haven't seen any performance problems with it |
| 22:35.37 | abrotman | vladuz976: no? |
| 22:35.52 | euphor][a | my mouse doesn't work if i plug it into my laptop, it still wants tp use the touchpad, XF86Config need editing? |
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| 22:36.06 | vladuz976 | abrotman, ok i am forgot to run it as root. so i'll try again |
| 22:36.13 | abrotman | vladuz976: good plan :) |
| 22:36.15 | CVirus | Blissex, Cyis, thanks :) |
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| 22:36.43 | Blissex | CVirus: dont thank me except for the warning you chose to ignore :-) |
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| 22:37.28 | Cyis | Blissex: I don't think he was |
| 22:37.35 | CVirus | yeah :) |
| 22:37.46 | vladuz976 | abrotman, still same |
| 22:37.46 | CVirus | i just pasted what u said to the friend that is asking this question :) |
| 22:37.50 | eeyore- | concept10: you like looking at guys' stuffed pockets? |
| 22:37.51 | godofredo22 | a little help, please, if i do lspci i have this :0000:00:0a.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant: Unknown device 8802 (rev 05), so i think that something is wrong in the kernel, or the card is not well configured ฟits correct? |
| 22:37.59 | Cyis | CVirus: I find LVM the best way to work with large drives.. that way I don't waste space and I don't have to think of how I will need it partition'd in the future |
| 22:38.24 | concept10 | eeyore-, No, I like beating guys on the head and emptying thier pockets |
| 22:38.26 | Blissex | CVirus: tell your !"ยฃ$% friend that the choice of file system matters a great deal. |
| 22:38.36 | abrotman | vladuz976: did you logout/login after doing it ? |
| 22:38.44 | vladuz976 | no |
| 22:38.57 | vladuz976 | restart X or logout of gnome enough? |
| 22:39.11 | abrotman | logout of gnome should hopefully do it .. but you might ahve to restart X |
| 22:39.15 | CVirus | Blissex, sorry dude but i got your warning the wrong way .. i thought u mean by details is to partition the drive for more than one partition |
| 22:39.28 | abrotman | !tell CVirus about u |
| 22:39.48 | vladuz976 | abrotman, why does this happen inthe first place? |
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| 22:39.54 | Blissex | CVirus: the details are things like the filesystem type and the intended contents... |
| 22:40.05 | abrotman | vladuz976: are you running woody? |
| 22:40.07 | nefarius | lol fs type definitely does matter |
| 22:40.12 | CVirus | sorry but i've missed the point |
| 22:40.18 | vladuz976 | abrotman, |
| 22:40.20 | CVirus | fs is ext3 |
| 22:40.24 | vladuz976 | abrotman, no |
| 22:40.25 | abrotman | vladuz976: |
| 22:40.44 | abrotman | vladuz976: oh ok. . well .. let's se eif this fixes it |
| 22:41.13 | vladuz976 | abrotman, ok so i am gonna restart x then |
| 22:41.14 | abrotman | vladuz976: you did pick one in the list didn't you ? |
| 22:41.29 | vladuz976 | yeah en_US utf-8 |
| 22:41.40 | abrotman | ok .. just making sure |
| 22:42.13 | CVirus | Blissex, fs is ext3 |
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| 22:42.51 | Blissex | CVirus: then it is fine. MS Windows compatible would not be a good idea... |
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| 22:43.56 | CVirus | Blissex, thanks again :) |
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| 22:44.17 | granden_ | Whats the name of the testing version of debia0 |
| 22:44.21 | granden_ | debian* |
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| 22:44.27 | nvz | etch |
| 22:44.30 | granden_ | tack |
| 22:44.35 | nvz | etch |
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| 22:44.46 | euphor][a | how to setup X to use touchpad AND external mice ?? |
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| 22:45.52 | nvz | euphor][a: paste your X config somewhere pastebin or paster |
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| 22:46.25 | james_ | Anyone know how to set up an (Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS, 910GML Express Chipset Family) video card? |
| 22:46.27 | Overand | euphor][a: /dev/input/mice ? |
| 22:46.38 | james_ | I heard you have to install some special drivers or some such |
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| 22:46.47 | euphor][a | Overand, am using that device |
| 22:46.50 | vladuz976 | abrotman, didn't work |
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| 22:47.09 | euphor][a | nvz, http://pastebin.com/335597 |
| 22:47.47 | abrotman | vladuz976: you may have to restart the system ... though that sounds drastic |
| 22:47.58 | abrotman | vladuz976: do the man pages work as root ? |
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| 22:48.28 | vladuz976 | abrotman, idid |
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| 22:48.46 | humbolt | is there an easy to use backup/restore solution available? |
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| 22:48.56 | vladuz976 | abrotman, yes as root it works fine |
| 22:49.01 | nvz | create another Section "InputDevice" like the one for your mouse but change the Option "CorePointer" to "SendCoreEvents" |
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| 22:49.10 | humbolt | some open source software for the job |
| 22:49.11 | vladuz976 | abrotman, oh no sorry my bad |
| 22:49.12 | nvz | euphor][a: and change the device to /dev/psaux |
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| 22:49.19 | abrotman | vladuz976: echo $LANG |
| 22:49.20 | humbolt | possibly with a graphical interface? |
| 22:49.22 | james_ | Anyone know if I can manually set the resolution and refresh rate? The options under Desktop Preferences are wrong... |
| 22:49.25 | humbolt | web-interface |
| 22:49.34 | nvz | euphor][a: if you have 2.6 kernel they should both be working through the /dev/input/mice if the proper drivers are loaded I think |
| 22:49.36 | vladuz976 | abrotman, returns "en" |
| 22:49.45 | james_ | It could not identify my monitor or video card |
| 22:49.59 | K_Dallas | james_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:50.04 | abrotman | vladuz976: that doesn't sound right |
| 22:50.09 | abrotman | vladuz976: what did you pick as your default ? |
| 22:50.22 | nvz | euphor][a: you also have to change the identifier of the new section and add it to the server layout at the bottom |
| 22:50.27 | euphor][a | nvz, i am using 2.6, i will try adding another device section |
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| 22:50.34 | vladuz976 | abrotman, en_US |
| 22:50.39 | james_ | K_Dallas That wont help, it does not identify my hardware correctly, and I cant get any help finding out how to get drivers for this laptop video card |
| 22:50.44 | nvz | euphor][a: 2.6 has a driver not sure specifically which one that makes |
| 22:50.52 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 22:50.57 | abrotman | $ echo $LANG |
| 22:50.57 | abrotman | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:50.57 | takatumi | james_: or if that didn't work, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf |
| 22:51.06 | abrotman | vladuz976: for me ... |
| 22:51.06 | K_Dallas | i meant more like you entering your own set of data |
| 22:51.14 | deadcat | wow.. oo.org updates in ppc (= |
| 22:51.21 | nvz | euphor][a: "PS2: device common for all mice" or such appear in dmesg, it mapps PS2 mice to the input layer /dev/input/mice |
| 22:51.44 | james_ | K_Dallas How am i supposed to know the horizontal refresh on this laptop screen? I can't find the specs anywhere |
| 22:51.45 | takatumi | james_: which card? |
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| 22:52.05 | granden | is there any backport server for lftp? |
| 22:52.08 | K_Dallas | james_, do you have Win on it by any chance? |
| 22:52.10 | vladuz976 | abrotman, how can i change it to that |
| 22:52.13 | granden | that I can add to my sources.list |
| 22:52.18 | nvz | granden: try snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:52.24 | K_Dallas | james_, besides, check your manufacturer's webpage for more details |
| 22:52.49 | euphor][a | nvz, i'll have a nosey in makemenuconfig. what's the deal with comiling own kernel? jusr dive into src/linux, make it and copy to boot? |
| 22:52.53 | abrotman | vladuz976: dpkg-reconfigure locales :) |
| 22:52.56 | nvz | granden: only seems to go back 4 months now |
| 22:53.03 | james_ | takatumi Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS, 910GML Express Chipset Family |
| 22:53.06 | granden | hmm |
| 22:53.13 | granden | I need lftp with ssl support |
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| 22:53.18 | james_ | K_Dallas They dont list that info |
| 22:53.22 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 22:53.22 | nvz | euphor][a: nope, not in debian. are you running your own hand-rolled source already? |
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| 22:53.29 | james_ | K_Dallas yup |
| 22:53.36 | takatumi | james_: refresh rates don't matter for laptop screens, afaik. |
| 22:53.37 | james_ | K_Dallas I have win too |
| 22:53.43 | euphor][a | nvz, kernel no, just one from livedvd |
| 22:53.49 | K_Dallas | so check those data in win and apply thm in linux ;) |
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| 22:54.04 | K_Dallas | that is hardware so wont change from os to os |
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| 22:54.13 | nvz | euphor][a: in debian you use kernel-package. I also use it with fakeroot which lets you do the whole thing without root perms. and also libncurses5-dev for the menuconfig bzip2 also if you use bz2 instead of tgz |
| 22:54.20 | euphor][a | nvz, still no mousey action :/ |
| 22:54.25 | james_ | K_Dallas Win does not list horizontal refresh rate which is AFAIK required for advanced monitor configuration |
| 22:54.36 | nvz | euphor][a: does /dev/psaux exist? |
| 22:54.48 | concept10 | could someone recommend a firewall |
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| 22:55.05 | nvz | euphor][a: does your mouse have an on/off button wired into it somewhere.. new HP laptops and such have a button on top of the touchpad to disable it |
| 22:55.06 | euphor][a | nvz, okay i'll have to checkout kernel-packages, will build my own kernel soon if poss make sure it's all tikkityboo |
| 22:55.10 | takatumi | nvz: throw in b-e and m-a as well. |
| 22:55.10 | abrotman | concept10: iptables |
| 22:55.15 | euphor][a | nvz, yes psaux exists |
| 22:55.15 | james_ | takatumi My screen is flickering and I think its because under desktop preferences my refresh is set to 72 for some reason and i cant change it |
| 22:55.17 | K_Dallas | james_, get one of those sharewares for win which give you more spec on your hardware |
| 22:55.18 | nvz | euphor][a: no its kernel-package |
| 22:55.22 | tarzeau | concept10: no. shorewall |
| 22:55.26 | abrotman | concept10: iptables |
| 22:55.28 | euphor][a | nvz, k |
| 22:55.30 | nvz | euphor][a: thats the name of the package. contains the program used to build kernels in debian |
| 22:55.31 | concept10 | ha |
| 22:55.36 | euphor][a | nvz, no, it's just a bog standard ms mouse |
| 22:55.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: you use gnustep .. what do you know :) |
| 22:55.50 | nvz | euphor][a: it configures, patches, compiles, and builds custom debian kernel packages all in one step |
| 22:55.59 | james_ | K_Dallas one more probelm, this is an i810 card or whatever, but if i try to load that module instead of vesa (which sux) x dosent start |
| 22:55.59 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: speak damn you! |
| 22:56.09 | vladuz976 | abrotman, i change it but i still get the same error |
| 22:56.14 | abrotman | vladuz976: echo $LANG |
| 22:56.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: i also use the other stuff (minus kde, gnome) |
| 22:56.17 | nvz | euphor][a: so its a PS2 and a USB mouse? |
| 22:56.18 | TiCpu | who here can tell me how to change the minimum requirment for a password to be valid for non-root users? |
| 22:56.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: kleenex? |
| 22:56.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: didn't you want to go to bed? |
| 22:56.34 | euphor][a | nvz, cool. i will try it soon as i have base system setup nice. |
| 22:56.41 | abrotman | TiCpu: moment .. and i can |
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| 22:56.42 | euphor][a | nvz, ps2 |
| 22:56.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: not with you :) |
| 22:56.49 | vladuz976 | abrotman, even after dpkg-reconfigure locales it shows "en" |
| 22:56.57 | abrotman | vladuz976: your computer hates you |
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| 22:57.07 | vladuz976 | abrotman, why though? |
| 22:57.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: just go to bed |
| 22:57.11 | abrotman | vladuz976: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:57.16 | abrotman | vladuz976: then try it |
| 22:57.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's not even 7pm here |
| 22:57.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's about time for you to brush teeth and go to bed! |
| 22:57.48 | takatumi | nvz: my 4 year old presario has the on/off switch for the synaptics touchpad. |
| 22:57.56 | abrotman | TiCpu: which requirements? |
| 22:57.57 | vladuz976 | abrotman, yeah works, how can i set globally |
| 22:58.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't make me tell your girlfriend! |
| 22:58.11 | abrotman | vladuz976: dpkg-reconfigure locales :) |
| 22:58.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: go ahead, |
| 22:58.15 | deadcat | hmm. no xorg questions lately. i guess they figured out that xorg is not much diff from xfree (= |
| 22:58.17 | abrotman | vladuz976: that's what should do it :) |
| 22:58.23 | Cyis | hey deadcat |
| 22:58.29 | deadcat | Cyis: hey (= |
| 22:58.43 | TiCpu | abrotman: like limit usage of dictionary words, minimum number of kind of characters, stuff like this? |
| 22:58.47 | nvz | euphor][a: install build-essential package for all the build tools like the compilers, linkers, make tools..etc kernel-package for building kernels, fakeroot, and libncurses5-dev then you use something like make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot --config=menuconfig buildpackage, from the top-level source dir is a simple incantation of it. |
| 22:58.48 | deadcat | Cyis: preparing for food food food on sun hahaha |
| 22:59.01 | abrotman | TiCpu: characters should be in /etc/pam.d/ iirc |
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| 22:59.05 | vladuz976 | abrotman, wait if i export an env it only works for that terminal right? |
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| 22:59.16 | rixth | What's the name of the debian repository? Ican't spell it, mallirat? |
| 22:59.18 | abrotman | TiCpu: are you on a debian system? |
| 22:59.24 | Cyis | deadcat: yeah... fiance just remind'd me it was sun not sat... I had been thinkin it was sat for some reason... |
| 22:59.27 | deadcat | Cyis: forgot to take a picture with you at LWCE, will do on sunday (= |
| 22:59.28 | abrotman | !tell rixth about marillat |
| 22:59.33 | vladuz976 | abrotman, yeah if i open another term same problem |
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| 22:59.48 | abrotman | vladuz976: i know .. it's inheriting it from elsewhere |
| 22:59.50 | euphor][a | nvz, sounds like i'll need to install a lot of base packages to get off the ground, can i apt-get those all in one command? 'apt-get install ?' |
| 22:59.51 | Cyis | deadcat: not a prob... I forgot to bring my digital camera both days I was there ... |
| 22:59.55 | deadcat | Cyis: ya. the pass year was sat. i think they pick sunday because its the 14th. and this is the 14th year. |
| 23:00.00 | nvz | euphor][a: that cleans your source dir, builds and runs menuconfig and builds a kernel-source.deb kernel-headers.deb kernel-docs.deb and kernel-image.deb, as your user you dont have to be root |
| 23:00.05 | Cyis | I'd want'd to get a picture of the twin blond booth babes :) |
| 23:00.07 | deadcat | Cyis: heheh. |
| 23:00.19 | deadcat | Cyis: oh ya. let me link you to those |
| 23:00.22 | euphor][a | nvz, i don't mind suing to build kernel. |
| 23:00.49 | Cyis | deadcat: couldn't convince my fiance to get in a bikini and be the Debian booth babe |
| 23:00.50 | TiCpu | abrotman: ah, no, but I checked /etc/pam.d/passwd and chpasswd and it wasn't that, it refers to cracklib but no characters |
| 23:00.57 | nvz | euphor][a: building as root is to be avoided whenever possible |
| 23:00.58 | abrotman | TiCpu: you're not on debian? |
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| 23:01.08 | deadcat | Cyis: gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2005/20050809.linux.world.expo/ |
| 23:01.11 | TiCpu | abrotman: I shouldn't be in here no :-/ |
| 23:01.15 | deadcat | Cyis: hahahah. |
| 23:01.19 | nvz | euphor][a: if someone even puts a . in the wrong place on a makefile or something your whole system could be hosed if you run it as root |
| 23:01.23 | abrotman | TiCpu: did you try asking ##linux ? |
| 23:01.42 | Cyis | I thought a 6'2" dirty blonde in a bikini would be a good idea... she veto'd :) |
| 23:01.49 | deadcat | Cyis: next year we should start a none-wet tshirt contest at the debian booth or something hahah |
| 23:01.54 | euphor][a | nvz, true, is this likely? haven't has many problems thus far, but i do agree. |
| 23:01.56 | nvz | euphor][a: prevent accidents when you can. if you dont read and understand every line you compile then don't be a fool, fakeroot is cool |
| 23:02.01 | deadcat | Cyis: (= |
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| 23:02.20 | TiCpu | fn'abhisawa: yes |
| 23:02.24 | euphor][a | nvz, i'll give it a whirl then :) |
| 23:02.28 | abrotman | TiCpu: wrong channel |
| 23:02.51 | TiCpu | fn'abrotman: just the tab completition |
| 23:03.01 | Cyis | deadcat: such a gentleman and keeping those hands above the waist :) |
| 23:03.14 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:03.35 | deadcat | Cyis: i wantes to grap the one on the right's ass but she might slap me silly |
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| 23:04.08 | euphor][a | nvz, once you've installed a package does debian give post install steps? i've installed the synaptics driver but don't know how to use it, how can i search for packages containing 'synaptic'? |
| 23:04.09 | Cyis | prolly |
| 23:04.17 | Cyis | well I need to jet.. catch ya later |
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| 23:04.25 | nvz | euphor][a: I also like to install the screen, less, and lspci packages to go along with all that. I like to keep the menuconfig open in one screen and also dmesg | less, and lspci output in another to help aid my decision making during configuration |
| 23:04.27 | deadcat | k |
| 23:04.52 | euphor][a | nvz, good idea, all useful tools to have. |
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| 23:05.21 | abrotman | vladuz976: try /etc/environment |
| 23:05.25 | euphor][a | i am surprised less has not replaced more, so to say, |
| 23:05.29 | nvz | euphor][a: you can get hints in dmesg from a debian kernel if you need ACPI, or if you need APIC..etc |
| 23:05.39 | subgv | How do I set nfs daemon to use default ports? |
| 23:05.46 | nvz | euphor][a: often helps get it right the first time |
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| 23:06.07 | euphor][a | cool, atm dmesg has lots of touchmad errors and has long since removed any useful messages :/ |
| 23:06.14 | nvz | euphor][a: I even spend some time in the kernel docs and grepping the source before I compile anything |
| 23:06.16 | concept10 | How do I modify the default Apache2 install to allow me to see the folders instead of the default it works page? |
| 23:06.33 | abrotman | httpd.apache.org ... has plenty of docs |
| 23:06.50 | nvz | euphor][a: I used a rgrep fuck * to track progress of the kernel and alert me of what areas need work |
| 23:06.59 | concept10 | abrotman, dont see it yet |
| 23:07.00 | euphor][a | nvz, i don't have that much time, i know what packages i'd like, and just want to install them. i went debian to spend less time updating this laptop. |
| 23:07.18 | nvz | euphor][a: last I checked there were still over 50 fuck's in the kernel.. mostly in networking code |
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| 23:07.40 | euphor][a | nvz, i am sure there always will be :) |
| 23:07.54 | euphor][a | nvz, know how to search package descriptions? |
| 23:08.22 | concept10 | abrotman, where should I start, if you are familiar give me a clue :) |
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| 23:08.28 | nvz | euphor][a: apt-cache search or aptitude search |
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| 23:08.55 | euphor][a | nvz, does apt-cache nee updating manually? |
| 23:08.57 | red_cpu | hi |
| 23:09.03 | abrotman | concept10: hint .. Options |
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| 23:09.07 | vladuz976 | abrotman, in /etc/environment i have LANG=en_US-UTF-8 |
| 23:09.08 | abrotman | concept10: and that's all i'm telling you :) |
| 23:09.21 | concept10 | heh |
| 23:09.22 | abrotman | vladuz976: then your lang is getting reset elsewhere |
| 23:09.25 | vladuz976 | abrotman, do i set it in /etc/profile or in /etc/environment |
| 23:09.32 | nvz | euphor][a: apt-cache is updated by apt-get update. its the list of packages and package information that apt-get uses when fetching packages from the sources.list and resolving dependancies |
| 23:09.36 | Zomb | vladuz976: it is .UTF-8, not -UTF-8 |
| 23:09.42 | abrotman | vladuz976: is there an entry in /etc/profile .. or your profile ? |
| 23:09.48 | vladuz976 | Zomb, sorry my bad |
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| 23:10.07 | takatumi | euphor][a: http://qref.sf.net/ |
| 23:10.12 | euphor][a | nvz, cool, thanks |
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| 23:10.15 | abrotman | vladuz976: is .UTF-8 what you really have ? |
| 23:10.17 | vladuz976 | abhisawa, no |
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| 23:10.23 | vladuz976 | abrotman, yes |
| 23:10.24 | abrotman | vladuz976: why not? :) |
| 23:10.26 | abrotman | no yes? |
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| 23:10.55 | vladuz976 | abrotman, i mean /etc/profile doesn't have anyting. in /etc/environments i do have someting |
| 23:11.02 | abrotman | vladuz976: and it says what? |
| 23:11.19 | vladuz976 | vladuz976@box:/etc$ more environment |
| 23:11.19 | vladuz976 | LANGUAGE="en" |
| 23:11.19 | vladuz976 | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:11.23 | czon | is there any way booting up w/o starting xserver? |
| 23:11.30 | abrotman | !tell czon about nodm |
| 23:11.41 | abrotman | vladuz976: did you check your own profile ? |
| 23:11.56 | abrotman | vladuz976: and do the man pages work at the terminal or if you ssh in ? |
| 23:12.37 | vladuz976 | abrotman, they work but i get that error, but i can't use dpkg |
| 23:12.50 | abrotman | you can't use dpkg either ? |
| 23:12.59 | vladuz976 | abrotman, yes |
| 23:13.23 | abrotman | vladuz976: what is your $LANG set to ? |
| 23:13.40 | vladuz976 | en |
| 23:13.44 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 23:13.47 | vladuz976 | yes |
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| 23:14.57 | vladuz976 | abrotman, should i edit /etc/environment or /etc/profile |
| 23:15.14 | abrotman | vladuz976: it should be set in environment |
| 23:15.41 | vladuz976 | so export > /etc/environment |
| 23:15.42 | vladuz976 | ? |
| 23:15.59 | abrotman | should just be LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 23:16.39 | vladuz976 | abrotman, that is what /etc/environment shows now |
| 23:16.55 | concept10 | abrotman, i just commented out the redirectmatch of sitesavailable/default |
| 23:16.55 | vladuz976 | but if i run locale i get just en for LANG |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | vladuz976: if you in /etc/ `grep -R en * | grep LANG` .. do you get any results ? |
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| 23:17.16 | abrotman | concept10: huh? |
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| 23:17.43 | concept10 | abrotman, nevermind |
| 23:17.50 | Mrdini | yo all |
| 23:17.55 | abrotman | concept10: i had cheese for lunch |
| 23:18.13 | vladuz976 | abrotman, yes lots of output |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | vladuz976: did you | grep LANG ? |
| 23:18.30 | james | I cant set my monitor resolution, I try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and i select the resolution i want (1280x960) but it just gives me 800x600 at 75 hertz (my laptop screen is supposed to be 60 i think) |
| 23:18.36 | vladuz976 | yes |
| 23:18.39 | abrotman | and you got lots? |
| 23:19.02 | vladuz976 | abrotman, you mean just run | grep LANG ? |
| 23:19.25 | Knorrie | Mrdini : try your own password |
| 23:19.33 | Mrdini | knorrie, 1 mo |
| 23:19.34 | vladuz976 | abrotman, this is what i ran grep -R en * | grep LANG |
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| 23:20.11 | Mrdini | knorrie, whoops :D "******* is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 23:20.12 | vladuz976 | abrotman, if i run grep -R en* | grep LANG i get no output |
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| 23:20.15 | northbayrep | hey folks. what do you recommend as an msn client? |
| 23:20.31 | northbayrep | i used to use amsn when i had windows. |
| 23:20.37 | Knorrie | Mrdini: lol |
| 23:20.41 | NLoRD | northbayrep, use gaim or amsn |
| 23:20.46 | saboteur | i use gaim, i like it |
| 23:21.02 | abrotman | vladuz976: no . .it was en * |
| 23:21.09 | abrotman | vladuz976: can you paste it somewhere? |
| 23:21.11 | Mrdini | Knorrie, does that mean in a nutshell I _can't_ use sudo? (would prefer to use that instead of su) |
| 23:21.11 | SDFH_Linux | gaim 1.5 just came out |
| 23:21.12 | james | I think the problem is that it cannot detect my laptop monitor correctly, but how do i find out the horizontal and verticle refresh rates? I have tryed everything, using si-sandra in windows, checking factory sites, googling around, nothing... |
| 23:21.14 | northbayrep | hey, can you use the print screen key in linux? |
| 23:21.23 | northbayrep | like to do a screenshot? |
| 23:21.51 | Gathond | northbayrep: probably something your windowmanager or desktop system needs to support, I have no idea which if any do however |
| 23:22.03 | abrotman | kde and gnome both have apps |
| 23:22.03 | NLoRD | SDFH_Linux, do you know if there is any .deb for gaim 1.50? |
| 23:22.04 | abrotman | !screenshot |
| 23:22.05 | dpkg | methinks screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 23:22.05 | deadcat | northbayrep: ya. map it |
| 23:22.20 | Knorrie | Mrdini : you can, but sudo is meant to give users little extra privileges to run some commands as root whil not knowing roots passw |
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| 23:22.50 | SDFH_Linux | its on unstable |
| 23:23.02 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: huh? |
| 23:23.05 | Mrdini | Knorrie, ah.... I assumed sudo was a method of allowing a user to pop briefly into su mode to run a single-line CLI command |
| 23:23.11 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: i have 2.2.x |
| 23:23.18 | abrotman | oh .. gaim |
| 23:23.18 | Knorrie | Mrdini : try su -c |
| 23:23.19 | abrotman | duh |
| 23:23.26 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 23:23.28 | vladuz976 | abrotman, this is what i get http://rafb.net/paste/results/lsEDR328.html |
| 23:23.54 | Mrdini | knorrie, *reads usage info* ah, peerfect! |
| 23:23.59 | Mrdini | ta! |
| 23:24.29 | Knorrie | Mrdini : ok :) |
| 23:24.45 | abrotman | vladuz976: hrm .. |
| 23:25.07 | abrotman | vladuz976: paste your whole /etc/environment somewhere |
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| 23:26.15 | vladuz976 | abrotman, http://rafb.net/paste/results/gWcYGh13.html |
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| 23:26.34 | northbayrep | can i just download flash through firefox? |
| 23:27.03 | dmz | anyone know what i can pass to kernel to enable > 2gig files (std kernel image 2.6.11-686) |
| 23:27.11 | abrotman | vladuz976: change the first line to LANGUAGE="en_US:en" |
| 23:27.23 | streuner | northbayrep: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:28.00 | Gathond | dmz: not a kernel thing in recent versions (at least not in the commenly used filesytems), might be if the filesystem in questiong is very old |
| 23:28.43 | vladuz976 | abrotman, then restart X? |
| 23:28.44 | dmz | ext3 file system |
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| 23:28.58 | abrotman | vladuz976: might have to restart everything .. i don't know how that file gets read |
| 23:28.59 | dmz | so i don't need to specifically enable it, the kernel has it enabled in the build? |
| 23:29.10 | vladuz976 | abrotman, ok i'll be back then |
| 23:29.13 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i accidentally installed suse on my debian |
| 23:29.15 | northbayrep | can i just add it under synaptic? |
| 23:29.15 | Gathond | dmz: ext2 should have 2TB file support |
| 23:29.20 | abrotman | vladuz976: hopefully in working order :) |
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| 23:29.27 | Gathond | dmz: ext3 anyway:) |
| 23:29.41 | Gathond | ext2 probably depends upon the revision of it |
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| 23:30.11 | dmz | cool, thanks |
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| 23:33.47 | abrotman | !date FieldySnuts |
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| 23:34.38 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: sorry :) |
| 23:34.45 | Jose`` | Hi |
| 23:34.46 | deadcat | cant seem to compile vmware with gcc4 on a 2.6.12 kernel which is compiled by gcc4. what up? |
| 23:34.59 | abrotman | deadcat: #vmware ? |
| 23:35.02 | abrotman | #gcc ? |
| 23:35.05 | abrotman | #kernel ? |
| 23:35.10 | deadcat | k |
| 23:35.16 | abrotman | i'd start in #vmware |
| 23:35.19 | abrotman | they make the crap |
| 23:35.24 | Jose`` | Can I set up Debian for blind people? |
| 23:35.38 | abrotman | Jose``: define setup .. |
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| 23:35.45 | vladuz976 | abrotman, same problem |
| 23:36.04 | abrotman | vladuz976: still ? |
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| 23:36.14 | vladuz976 | abrotman, yeah |
| 23:36.30 | Jose`` | abrotman: make it speak the screen output |
| 23:36.30 | abrotman | vladuz976: and there's nothing in your .bash_profile? or which ever shell you use ? |
| 23:36.54 | abrotman | Jose``: i know there are braille terminals |
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| 23:37.14 | abrotman | Jose``: http://www.brlspeak.net/ |
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| 23:37.37 | abrotman | Jose``: now .. i don't know about debian ... |
| 23:37.51 | vladuz976 | abrotman, what would i be looking for in bash |
| 23:37.54 | Jose`` | abrotman: Thanks, I'll check that site |
| 23:38.02 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup sarge |
| 23:38.09 | abrotman | vladuz976: more LANG stuff |
| 23:38.17 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27-speakup), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 11036 kB, Installed size: 29688 kB |
| 23:38.24 | abrotman | Jose``: ^^ |
| 23:38.51 | vladuz976 | abrotman, no nohting in there |
| 23:39.16 | abrotman | vladuz976: well .. now i'm pretty much damn confused :) |
| 23:39.27 | abrotman | vladuz976: you've set everything that should be set afaik |
| 23:40.00 | Jose`` | abrotman: Do you know where I can get braille terminal cheap? |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | Jose``: not a clue .. |
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| 23:40.12 | abrotman | Jose``: let me ask someone .. moment |
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| 23:40.37 | abrotman | Jose``: she may not be around .. but we'll see .. she uses linux(maybe debian) and is blind |
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| 23:41.45 | Jose`` | abrotman: I'd like to talk to her. Is she around IRC? |
| 23:42.04 | abrotman | Jose``: not here .. and she hasn't answered me yet |
| 23:42.12 | abrotman | hey .. g4lt has been on freenode .. just not here |
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| 23:44.52 | northbayrep | i downloaded a .deb file from the marillat site, how do i install it? |
| 23:44.59 | abrotman | northbayrep: man dpkg |
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| 23:45.06 | northbayrep | man dpkg |
| 23:45.22 | abrotman | not here .. in your terimnal |
| 23:45.27 | northbayrep | hah. |
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| 23:45.53 | luite | is there a fast way to create a 50 gig empty (I don't care about the contents), dd with if=/dev/zero seems to take ages |
| 23:46.01 | luite | empty file |
| 23:46.24 | abrotman | luite: you can try a bigger block size .. but it's still slow |
| 23:46.37 | Gathond | luite: doubt it, as the filesystem would probably enforce there actually being something there, so you need to write 50 GiB |
| 23:46.57 | luite | abrotman: I've already used 1M |
| 23:47.02 | abrotman | Gathond: no .. he can use /dev/zero |
| 23:47.04 | abrotman | or /dev/random |
| 23:47.15 | Gathond | abrotman: but that will write stuff |
| 23:47.25 | abrotman | Gathond: yes .. |
| 23:47.28 | Gathond | abrotman: which takes at least some time |
| 23:47.31 | NLoRD | well not really I think reiserfs does not need to write 50Gb for a zero file |
| 23:47.37 | NLoRD | ext3 maybe needs |
| 23:47.41 | abrotman | Gathond: i suppose he could .. abuse the FS and make the system think the file is 50GB :) |
| 23:47.48 | Gathond | abrotman: I think he wants to just allocate a 50 GiB file without putting anything there |
| 23:47.48 | abrotman | NLoRD: what? |
| 23:48.04 | luite | NLoRD: are you sure? it must keep track of the changed blocks then, because it shouldn't let me access the old content |
| 23:48.07 | abrotman | Gathond: i know what he wants ... |
| 23:48.16 | abrotman | NLoRD: what you said doesn't even make sense |
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| 23:48.28 | Gathond | abrotman: ok, and am I thinking along the same line? |
| 23:48.50 | abrotman | Gathond: yeah .. but the only way would be to abuse the FS .. afaik anyways |
| 23:49.04 | NLoRD | well I mean that reiserfs manages better the space of a partition |
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| 23:49.11 | NLoRD | I would prefere it |
| 23:49.14 | luite | yep, I need the files for some virtual disk images, so I don't really care what's in them |
| 23:49.14 | Gathond | abrotman: I agree, so he have to wait for the 50 GB to be written:) |
| 23:49.27 | abrotman | yeah .. but he could do a 1000MB block size |
| 23:49.41 | luite | I doubt that would be much faster than 1MB ;) |
| 23:49.42 | abrotman | NLoRD: you're not even making sense .. |
| 23:49.55 | abrotman | NLoRD: reiser sucks first of all .. secondly .. you're not even answering his question |
| 23:50.03 | abrotman | luite: try it |
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| 23:50.32 | luite | well, I need to make a few more of those files, so I'll try with the next one... but as it seems that I will need to wait for some time I guess it's time for some tv and beer ;) |
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| 23:50.48 | vladuz976 | abrotman, any more ideas for me? |
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| 23:50.59 | abrotman | luite: other option .. make a 10MB file .. and keep catting it into another file |
| 23:51.05 | abrotman | vladuz976: moment .. i'm looking |
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| 23:51.54 | luite | abrotman: hm, I don't really think that would be faster... you'd have disk access for both files, although the 10MB file would probably be cached after the first read |
| 23:51.55 | abrotman | vladuz976: have anyhting in /etc/default/gdm ? |
| 23:52.09 | abrotman | luite: possibly |
| 23:52.27 | Subvertir | freedom isn't free, no there's a hefty fuckin fee |
| 23:52.30 | secher | Heyas all. I'm trying to setup wine so my daughter can play her games. I'm running unstable, have a fresh install of wine from apt, and when I run winecfg, I get err:listbox:LISTBOX_SetFont unable to get DC. and then it freezes. any ideas as to what I'm missing? |
| 23:52.30 | vladuz976 | abrotman, just LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:52.48 | abrotman | vladuz976: is it commented out ? |
| 23:52.54 | vladuz976 | abrotman, no |
| 23:53.06 | abrotman | vladuz976: can you comment it out ? |
| 23:53.24 | vladuz976 | abrotman, yeah , what would that do though? |
| 23:53.36 | abrotman | vladuz976: not have GDM try to set it |
| 23:53.46 | NLoRD | <abrotman> NLoRD: reiser sucks first of all .. well not really at space management ext3 sucks, I had many mp3 at a 20gb partition with reiserfs, I tried to copy them at a 20 GB ext3 and 1,5 GB could not be copied because it was full! so exp3 wastes about 1,5 gb for me!!! |
| 23:54.04 | abrotman | NLoRD: you never answered his question .. shut the hell up |
| 23:54.05 | NLoRD | maybe it has security algoriths to prevent security |
| 23:54.16 | NLoRD | but it wastes spacw |
| 23:54.18 | abrotman | NLoRD: and that's your fault .. you don't understand filesystems ... |
| 23:54.21 | NLoRD | space |
| 23:54.29 | abrotman | NLoRD: no .. really it doesn't |
| 23:54.31 | nvz | I am a fucking idiot.. I just overwritten files with the mv command as root |
| 23:54.39 | abrotman | !pal nvz |
| 23:54.42 | nvz | I wasnt expecting that to happen |
| 23:54.55 | NLoRD | well where have my 1,5 gb gone? |
| 23:55.04 | dvs | hey? Who added the "hysterically"? |
| 23:55.08 | Gathond | NLoRD: that is probably more an issue of ext3 reserving 5% space for root and reiserfs not |
| 23:55.13 | abrotman | NLoRD: for starters .. root gets part of it |
| 23:55.32 | abrotman | NLoRD: secondly .. how many free inodes did you have ? |
| 23:55.44 | fas3r | to replace answer in file it's with seek command no? |
| 23:56.07 | NLoRD | well I will copy paste another ext3 partition to see how many I waste |
| 23:56.13 | abrotman | oh god |
| 23:56.15 | nvz | I didnt realize the files had the same name when I was doing it |
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| 23:56.30 | abrotman | nvz: use your backup! |
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| 23:56.41 | nvz | abrotman: I just put all the stuff on here there is no backup :P |
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| 23:56.45 | nvz | abrotman: they are fuckin gone |
| 23:56.47 | james | My video card is an i810 card, but xserver gives the error (no screens found) if i select it, but if i use vesa it works for some reason (its a laptop video card) |
| 23:56.47 | NLoRD | /dev/hda1 55782748 51584460 1931360 97% /music |
| 23:56.48 | Gathond | NLoRD: besides, reiserfs freaks me out ... filesystems that returns IO errors after their fsck util have been in use kinda scares me |
| 23:56.54 | NLoRD | /dev/hda1 55782748 51584460 1931360 97% /music |
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| 23:56.59 | abrotman | NLoRD: and? |
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| 23:57.04 | abrotman | what the fuck is he showing me? |
| 23:57.05 | NLoRD | so read it and calculate |
| 23:57.14 | Gathond | NLoRD: 5% is reserved by default on ext3 |
| 23:57.15 | northbayrep | can i use ark to extract the .deb package? where do i extract them to? |
| 23:57.18 | abrotman | NLoRD: i already explained it to you dumbass |
| 23:57.25 | Gathond | NLoRD: = that 5% is NEVER available |
| 23:57.28 | abrotman | northbayrep: ar |
| 23:57.29 | dabaR | whats this error: $ man eterm \n man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct and what can be done about it? |
| 23:57.39 | NLoRD | well can I recovered the 5% if I need it? |
| 23:57.40 | abrotman | dabaR: are you serious? .. are you vladuz976 ? |
| 23:57.46 | northbayrep | abrotman, ? |
| 23:57.50 | NLoRD | I mean to write data on it? |
| 23:57.50 | dabaR | nope. why? |
| 23:57.55 | dabaR | he asked about it? |
| 23:57.58 | abrotman | northbayrep: the command ar will extract a .deb |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | dabaR: i'd like you to meet vladuz976 .. he has the same problem :) |
| 23:58.15 | Gathond | NLoRD: you can, but that might severely limit the performance to fill the filesystem completely |
| 23:58.18 | dabaR | I know, you guys have no input? |
| 23:58.20 | abrotman | dabaR: vladuz976: can i assume you're both running sid ? |
| 23:58.32 | dabaR | no, not debian. |
| 23:58.33 | northbayrep | will it install it too? |
| 23:58.43 | abrotman | dabaR: ? |
| 23:58.45 | northbayrep | i just want to install flash. holy hell this is difficult. |
| 23:58.47 | abrotman | northbayrep: no .. man dpkg |
| 23:58.48 | dabaR | its not a debian. |
| 23:58.52 | NLoRD | but why to reserve 5% I do not understand it |
| 23:58.56 | NLoRD | why it needs it for? |
| 23:58.57 | abrotman | vladuz976: is yours not debian |
| 23:59.06 | abrotman | NLoRD: because it's for root .. FFS .. read something |
| 23:59.06 | dabaR | abrotman: its the same thing. |
| 23:59.13 | dabaR | but, I thought you may have some input. |
| 23:59.21 | vladuz976 | abrotman, ubuntu |
| 23:59.21 | *** join/#debian seb___ (n=seb___@adsl-66-159-194-51.dslextreme.com) |
| 23:59.23 | dabaR | about locales and such. |
| 23:59.24 | abrotman | dabaR: it's debian or not? |
| 23:59.28 | dabaR | I told you. |
| 23:59.33 | abrotman | dabaR: you're using ubuntu also ? |
| 23:59.37 | dabaR | soemtimes. |
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| 23:59.46 | abrotman | dabaR: the error .. is it on ubuntu? |
