| 00:00.10 | underdog | hmm |
| 00:00.15 | underdog | can we pm? |
| 00:00.24 | shingouz | underdog: please do not pm |
| 00:00.28 | underdog | ok ok |
| 00:00.39 | underdog | so, it's "iface eth1 inet manual", right? |
| 00:01.12 | liable | no |
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| 00:01.30 | shingouz | underdog: ifdown eth1 && ifconfig eth1 your.ip.add.ress netmask 255.255.255.0 up && route add default gw your.router.add.ress eth1 |
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| 00:02.47 | Gospel | hi |
| 00:03.18 | shingouz | underdog: that is if you do not have wep on at the moment, if you have, you will have to iwconfig eth1 key <wepkey> too |
| 00:04.53 | underdog | shingouz so I do that with pre-ups on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:04.54 | underdog | right? |
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| 00:05.40 | shingouz | underdog: no, you do just as i told you. this is just a test this time |
| 00:05.41 | liable | underdog: I think he meant to do that on command line. |
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| 00:06.01 | shingouz | underdog: do not touch the interfaces file for now |
| 00:06.03 | underdog | ok ok |
| 00:06.12 | underdog | so, now I try to access the internet? |
| 00:06.23 | shingouz | underdog: if you did what i told you, yes |
| 00:06.30 | RafaelBuziquia | hey someone can help me please... i need some "language channels" where can i get it? |
| 00:06.32 | underdog | yeah, I did |
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| 00:06.41 | shingouz | underdog: oh, you will need some dns in your resolv.cof too |
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| 00:07.22 | shingouz | underdog: echo 'nameserver 217.78.192.22' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:07.48 | underdog | I have the ISP's nameservers right here. maybe I should use those, no? |
| 00:07.54 | shingouz | RafaelBuziquia: what language you looking for |
| 00:08.03 | RafaelBuziquia | french |
| 00:08.03 | shingouz | underdog: if you have them there, use them |
| 00:08.07 | shingouz | !fr |
| 00:08.07 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
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| 00:08.25 | shingouz | RafaelBuziquia: is that what you are looking for? ;) |
| 00:08.37 | RafaelBuziquia | lol |
| 00:08.52 | RafaelBuziquia | I am looking for learn french |
| 00:08.53 | shingouz | underdog: of course you can use your editor of choice to hack the resolv.conf |
| 00:09.02 | underdog | won't work :( |
| 00:09.11 | shingouz | RafaelBuziquia: oh. that might be harder then |
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| 00:09.19 | RafaelBuziquia | I know |
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| 00:09.25 | shingouz | underdog: won't work. what do you mean with that |
| 00:09.39 | RafaelBuziquia | anyway thakyou |
| 00:09.43 | shingouz | yw |
| 00:09.49 | shingouz | underdog: ifconfig |
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| 00:10.12 | shingouz | underdog: does that show you that the interface is up and has the ip you set it to? |
| 00:10.53 | underdog | sorry, got disconected |
| 00:10.59 | underdog | ifconfig shows me the IP I selected, yes |
| 00:11.18 | shingouz | underdog: excellent. ping your ap first |
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| 00:11.36 | underdog | Host Unreachable |
| 00:11.36 | imang1 | I tried to install amule using the command ./configure ....I get this error at the end configure: error: unable to use zlib - no peer found |
| 00:11.36 | imang1 | could any one help please |
| 00:12.05 | shingouz | underdog: wow. what does iwconfig say? essid and key are the important ones here |
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| 00:12.30 | shingouz | imang1: apt-get install amule |
| 00:12.56 | shingouz | imang1: do not compile from source unless you know what to do when the compile goes pearshaped |
| 00:13.07 | underdog | shingouz eth1 unassociated ESSID:"WLAN" / Mode: Managed |
| 00:13.15 | underdog | No packets were sent or received |
| 00:13.29 | underdog | although it says "Security mode: open" |
| 00:13.29 | shingouz | underdog: the essid is what it should be? |
| 00:13.41 | shingouz | do you have wep on now? |
| 00:13.44 | underdog | Snake-Eyes: it is. sounds a bit like untitled, but yeah |
| 00:13.50 | underdog | Snake-Eyes: I do. Want me to shut it off? |
| 00:14.02 | underdog | (oops... crappy tab :( |
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| 00:14.21 | shingouz | underdog: not really. iwconfig eth1 key <wepkey> |
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| 00:14.56 | underdog | shingouz: I made a shell script that does all those commands. it's running that right now |
| 00:15.31 | shingouz | underdog: a shellscript so that you can test it this one time? you must get out a bit more, man ;) |
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| 00:16.09 | underdog | shingouz: that's what my wife keeps telling me ;) |
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| 00:16.45 | shingouz | underdog: listen to her, she is smarter than you ;) |
| 00:16.58 | underdog | lol... might be |
| 00:17.40 | cockroach | hello. can anyone recommend a tool to convert a quicktime movie to a reasonable format, such as mpeg/divx/whatever? |
| 00:17.40 | underdog | mwahaha |
| 00:17.50 | underdog | i'm smoking a camel right now... hmmm.... |
| 00:18.03 | amphi | cockroach: mencoder perhaps? |
| 00:18.09 | shingouz | underdog: i used to smoke them too... |
| 00:18.18 | cockroach | amphi: mplayer refuses to play the movie, so i double mencoder will encode it... |
| 00:18.19 | shingouz | !camelsmite underdog |
| 00:18.26 | cockroach | doubt, i mean |
| 00:18.27 | underdog | lolol |
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| 00:18.36 | underdog | so, shingouz, any ideas? :( |
| 00:18.43 | underdog | i'm really getting desperate |
| 00:18.53 | shingouz | underdog: did you do the wepkey already? |
| 00:19.02 | underdog | yeah, it's the last line, but yes |
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| 00:19.23 | shingouz | underdog: then iwconfig again.. lets see if it says anything |
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| 00:20.01 | shingouz | fook, i am out of tea again |
| 00:20.03 | underdog | shingouz: it tells me that eth1 is unassociated. |
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| 00:20.13 | underdog | shingouz: tea is for wimps |
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| 00:20.44 | Supaplex | real men drink boiling mineral oil |
| 00:21.26 | Navop | how do i d/l ispconfig..while in console mode... |
| 00:21.27 | underdog | I think I did it |
| 00:21.28 | shingouz | underdog: out of curiosity, what nic and AP do you have there? |
| 00:21.30 | underdog | I had to set ap manually |
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| 00:22.46 | shingouz | underdog: your AP is not a D-Link by any chance? |
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| 00:23.53 | k-man | just say i wanted to intercept the scan codes from one of my usb keyboards (but not the other), how would I go about doing it? |
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| 00:24.20 | underdog | ok shingouz, I'm getting somewhere |
| 00:24.50 | underdog | I had to iwconfig eth1 ap " |
| 00:24.50 | shingouz | underdog: you do not happen to have a DLink AP there and some non-DLink nic? |
| 00:24.59 | underdog | DLink? |
| 00:25.09 | shingouz | manufacturer |
| 00:25.14 | underdog | ah no |
| 00:25.20 | underdog | router and windows nic are surecom |
| 00:25.26 | underdog | and laptop nic is intel ipw2200 |
| 00:25.31 | eonbleuz | when i go to compile my kernel with make xconfig, it says Cannot Connect To X Server |
| 00:25.33 | eonbleuz | but im in X |
| 00:25.36 | eonbleuz | so how is this possible |
| 00:25.42 | shingouz | surecom? wtf is surecom... |
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| 00:25.45 | underdog | eonbleuz: are you with the same user that's compiling the kernel? |
| 00:25.58 | underdog | shingouz: it's a hardware brand, afaik :) |
| 00:26.00 | eonbleuz | yeah im running X as the same user |
| 00:26.02 | eonbleuz | well no |
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| 00:26.06 | imang1 | I tried to install amule after I cd to the amule directory and run ./configure. I got this error message: checking for zlib in peer directory... no |
| 00:26.06 | imang1 | configure: error: unable to use zlib - no peer found |
| 00:26.09 | eonbleuz | i need to compile as root |
| 00:26.13 | eonbleuz | but im logged into x as user |
| 00:26.21 | underdog | eonbleuz: there you are. |
| 00:26.30 | shingouz | imang1: why do you install from source? |
| 00:26.37 | eonbleuz | i used to be able to su to run make xconfig tho |
| 00:26.46 | eonbleuz | did that change in the past year or two? |
| 00:27.04 | shingouz | eonbleuz: use make menuconfig instead |
| 00:27.15 | eonbleuz | i have bad vision |
| 00:27.19 | eonbleuz | menuconfig is a little harder for me |
| 00:27.40 | imang1 | shingouz: how else can I install it? |
| 00:27.45 | shingouz | eonbleuz: menuconfig in a plain console? the font is usually a lot bigger |
| 00:27.52 | underdog | shingouz: either way, there still seems to be some issues here |
| 00:27.54 | shingouz | imang1: apt-get install amule |
| 00:28.01 | underdog | shingouz: duplicate packets and such |
| 00:28.13 | eonbleuz | ah i guess i could drop to console |
| 00:28.24 | imang1 | shingouz: I tried apt but it does ot find it!! |
| 00:28.31 | shingouz | underdog: i am not sure what to say, i am thinking about some weird and wonderful hardware incompatibility |
| 00:28.32 | underdog | ie, when I "ifup eth1" stuff like "ip length 576 disagrees with bytes received 580." |
| 00:28.32 | eonbleuz | whats the command to search for a package in apt-get |
| 00:28.48 | shingouz | !info amule |
| 00:28.50 | dpkg | amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2744 kB, Installed size: 8080 kB |
| 00:28.57 | amphi | underdog: what wifi card is this? |
| 00:29.08 | shingouz | imang1: what version of debian you run? |
| 00:29.14 | underdog | amphi: ipw2200, compiled with the latest version (kernel 2.6.12.2) |
| 00:29.44 | boogie | eonbleuz: apt-cache search packagename |
| 00:29.53 | Routed | can anyone recommend a sata p4/skt775/sata motherboard that works well with a stable/expert26 netinstall? |
| 00:29.54 | Gospel | if anyone tries to log into my system, is there any way they can get my password? |
| 00:30.03 | imang1 | shingouz: what is the commad I use to know the version please for debian? |
| 00:30.16 | amphi | underdog: uhuh - I went back to 1.0.4 from 1.0.6, seems to work better for me |
| 00:30.28 | amphi | underdog: 2.6.11 here |
| 00:30.31 | shingouz | imang1: cat /etc/debian_version or check what your sources.list points to |
| 00:30.49 | underdog | shingouz: after removing the iwconfig eth1 rate line, it seems to be working fine right now |
| 00:30.53 | underdog | thanks for the precious help :) |
| 00:30.55 | eonbleuz | thanx boogie |
| 00:30.59 | shingouz | underdog: wooot |
| 00:31.08 | eonbleuz | anyone had any luck getting a DWL-120+ usb wireless nic to work in linux? |
| 00:31.10 | underdog | it still has that ip length warning, but what the heck... it works |
| 00:31.17 | eonbleuz | google results are kind of discouraging |
| 00:31.24 | imang1 | shingouz: it is 3.1 |
| 00:31.34 | shingouz | underdog: now just put that config in the interfaces and you are done. you could try to keep the rate down and use dhcp too for that matter |
| 00:31.34 | underdog | i might search for a firmware update (this one is from 2003 :() |
| 00:31.41 | hmakholm | Gospel: They can guess. |
| 00:31.50 | shingouz | !info amule sarge |
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| 00:31.57 | amphi | underdog: what version of the driver are you using? |
| 00:32.03 | underdog | the latest, amphi |
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| 00:32.30 | imang1 | shingouz::!! |
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| 00:32.41 | shingouz | imang1: yes, dear? |
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| 00:32.59 | crocodillo | olá |
| 00:33.05 | shingouz | !info amule etch |
| 00:33.06 | wupe | Hi, what is the full path name of the xfree86 file generated by debconf please |
| 00:33.16 | crocodillo | help? |
| 00:33.19 | liable | /etc/X11/... |
| 00:33.22 | imang1 | shingouz: my version of debian is 3.1 ...does it work using ap-get |
| 00:33.34 | crocodillo | alguem pode me ajudar |
| 00:33.40 | mwilson | ah, there, evocrap removed again |
| 00:33.42 | shingouz | wupe: XF86Config-4 most of the time. and /msg dpkg drxx |
| 00:33.47 | shingouz | !es |
| 00:33.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:33.53 | boogie | !br |
| 00:33.53 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:33.54 | shingouz | !br |
| 00:33.54 | crocodillo | alguem fala portugues |
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| 00:34.15 | crocodillo | valeu |
| 00:34.17 | boogie | falamos mas nao aqui. |
| 00:34.31 | RafaelBuziquia | ei |
| 00:34.41 | shingouz | imang1: apt-get works there but i am not sure if you have amule there. apt-cache search amule |
| 00:35.16 | shingouz | mwilson: huh? |
| 00:35.17 | DA_ | how can i setup exim4 so that i can send mail out? |
| 00:35.49 | RafaelBuziquia | shingouz what software is best for web design?? |
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| 00:36.13 | shingouz | RafaelBuziquia: absolutely no idea. vi? /me does not do web design |
| 00:36.28 | RafaelBuziquia | ok |
| 00:36.56 | RafaelBuziquia | what do you do? |
| 00:37.01 | RafaelBuziquia | I need something new |
| 00:37.35 | Anders | RafaelBuziquia, there are several programs for web design |
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| 00:37.37 | [Hostile] | any idea when Im using LAME to encode my podcast the output .mp3 is ALLL static? |
| 00:37.42 | shingouz | RafaelBuziquia: something new. hm. lets see... os/2? or maybe you want to read up on firewalls? |
| 00:37.43 | Anders | nano, vi, vim, gedit, bluefish |
| 00:37.54 | RafaelBuziquia | yeah |
| 00:37.58 | RafaelBuziquia | firewals |
| 00:37.58 | Anders | quanta |
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| 00:38.20 | shingouz | RafaelBuziquia: learn C and start coding something |
| 00:38.31 | RafaelBuziquia | for firewalls? |
| 00:38.35 | imang1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.50 | shingouz | RafaelBuziquia: no, those are just scripts. C is another animal |
| 00:38.58 | RafaelBuziquia | yeah |
| 00:39.09 | RafaelBuziquia | i started to learn c 2 times |
| 00:39.10 | RafaelBuziquia | but... |
| 00:39.35 | shingouz | imang1: i do not know what the problem is, how the hell could i know when i do not know what you have installed there |
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| 00:41.11 | shingouz | imang1: lemme check something |
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| 00:41.51 | imang1 | shingouz: I have debian running on 2.6.8-2-386 kernel... |
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| 00:42.15 | shingouz | imang1: that has nothing to do with amule |
| 00:42.25 | imang1 | shingouz: gcc compiler is installed |
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| 00:42.47 | shingouz | imang1: so? what does that have to do with apt-getting amule? |
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| 00:43.20 | imang1 | shingouz: you are right nothing,...only if I wanted to install it from the source |
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| 00:43.25 | wupe | i have a ps2 mouse with a scroll wheel i try the psaux port but the mouse dont work with xfree, what is the port? |
| 00:43.42 | liable | try /dev/input/mice |
| 00:43.53 | shingouz | !tell wupe about 2.6 mouse |
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| 00:44.38 | jeffopi | python2.4 is installed but python -v still says 2.3.5 |
| 00:45.25 | beardy | jeffopi: Check what 'which python' is linked to. |
| 00:45.26 | s_ward | jeffopi: and python2.4 -v ? |
| 00:45.27 | shingouz | imang1: my system shows that amule is at least in sid. you could always grab the package from sid if it is not in sarge |
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| 00:47.01 | imang1 | shingouz: How do I do that please? |
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| 00:48.32 | shingouz | imang1: by grabbing the package from sid and installing it with dpkg |
| 00:48.57 | shingouz | imang1: apt-cache search edonkey |
| 00:48.58 | imang1 | shingouz: what is sid? |
| 00:49.06 | beardy | !sid |
| 00:49.06 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 00:49.20 | shingouz | do i have to do all the thinking |
| 00:49.27 | shingouz | thanks beardy |
| 00:49.31 | Navop_ | can someone just point me in the right direction..i need to d/l ispconfig, and i'm not sure how to go about it. only installed to console mode |
| 00:49.38 | beardy | np shingouz |
| 00:49.45 | Navop_ | the |
| 00:49.54 | Navop_ | of debian |
| 00:50.07 | beardy | Navop_: Is that a package, or in which package can it be found? |
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| 00:50.28 | Navop_ | not a pkg its a tr file (zip) |
| 00:50.37 | shingouz | imang1: i show amule and xmule in sid, you have to check your system what is on sarge |
| 00:51.16 | jeffopi | python2.4 -v says 2.4.1. "which python" has no alternatives |
| 00:51.25 | Navop_ | beardy: is a gz file |
| 00:51.37 | jeffopi | s_ward, python2.4 -v says 2.4.1. beardy, "which python" has no alternatives |
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| 00:53.05 | terr | I just installed KDevelp and it will not run - I get no errors and no warnings. |
| 00:53.08 | Navop_ | beardy: it not a pkg, its a prg in gz format |
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| 00:53.24 | tbm__ | hey |
| 00:53.36 | tbm__ | what is the correct filesystem for winxp? |
| 00:53.42 | tbm__ | grrr |
| 00:53.44 | shingouz | ntfs |
| 00:53.50 | beardy | jeffopi: python2.4 is not the default I think. That's why "python" is the other version, the one that probably is the default. Use python2.4 then, if you need to use that. |
| 00:53.55 | m4k0 | shingouz not NTFS right |
| 00:53.59 | terr | tbm what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 00:54.27 | m4k0 | mount this win partitioun |
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| 00:54.31 | m4k0 | partition |
| 00:54.32 | beardy | Navop_: And what does it do, is it some configuration script, or what? |
| 00:54.36 | m4k0 | to look at it through linux |
| 00:54.38 | m4k0 | blah nm |
| 00:54.42 | shingouz | !ntfs |
| 00:54.42 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs was Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 00:54.49 | m4k0 | waisting my time |
| 00:54.51 | jeffopi | beardy, I need things that use python to run 2.4, not just things I write inside the interpreter |
| 00:54.53 | m4k0 | wasting* |
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| 00:55.02 | shingouz | m4k0: and why is that? |
| 00:55.13 | m4k0 | i dont need too |
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| 00:55.32 | terr | I just installed KDevelop and it will not run - I get no errors and no warnings. any ideas? |
| 00:55.42 | Navop_ | beardy:ISPConfig is an open source hosting control panel for Linux, it manages your web server, ftp, pop etc |
| 00:55.44 | beardy | jeffopi: Are you sure /usr/bin/python is not linked to python2.3? |
| 00:55.57 | jeffopi | no I'm not sure about that. How do I link it to 2.4 |
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| 00:56.08 | beardy | jeffopi: Is it a symlink at all? |
| 00:56.28 | jeffopi | beardy, I don't know |
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| 00:56.44 | dogayonv | m4k0 are you trying to mount windows partition? |
| 00:56.50 | beardy | jeffopi: what does 'ls -la /usr/bin/python' show you? |
| 00:56.53 | theboneman | yes dogayonv |
| 00:57.16 | jeffopi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2005-07-25 19:36 /usr/bin/python -> python2.3 |
| 00:57.23 | dogayonv | here is what I have in my fstab /dev/hda1 /windows ntfs users,owner,ro,umask=000 0 0 |
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| 00:57.46 | beardy | jeffopi: See, it is a symlink, that is linked against python2.3 |
| 00:58.04 | jeffopi | interesting. How do I link it to python2.4 |
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| 00:58.09 | jshriver | greetings :) |
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| 00:59.04 | jshriver | Anyone know where I can get info on how to Burn DVD's in Linux? Tried CD roast, but seems to require some commercial app |
| 00:59.11 | Gospel | jshriver: hello :) |
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| 00:59.19 | dogayonv | jshriver: try k3b |
| 00:59.27 | Gospel | jshriver: i use k3b |
| 00:59.39 | xgager | hello out there.. :) |
| 00:59.42 | Gospel | jshriver: k3b works well |
| 00:59.49 | Gospel | xgager: hello there :) |
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| 01:00.05 | dogayonv | k3b is alot like nero for windows |
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| 01:00.37 | jeffopi | beardy , interesting. How do I link it to python2.4 |
| 01:00.37 | beardy | jeffopi: Now, you may break things, but hopefully not. Do like this: 1. 'cd /usr/bin' 2. mv python python.old 3. ln -s python2.4 python All this as root, also read the ln manpage. |
| 01:00.52 | jshriver | hi everyone |
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| 01:00.57 | jshriver | hrm k3b? will have to look it up |
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| 01:01.11 | jshriver | Is there an free package for DVD burning? I'll google k3b |
| 01:01.12 | Gospel | YaleR: you use Mepis, so why are you in a Debian channel? |
| 01:01.16 | theboneman | anyone know how to unignore in BX? |
| 01:01.22 | bob2 | setting python2.4 as your default is a pretty bad idea |
| 01:01.27 | bob2 | just invoke python2.4 directly |
| 01:01.29 | YaleR | Gospel: I use debian actually, and thats none of your business. |
| 01:01.31 | jshriver | I'm trying to burn data DVD's not movie ones. lol this chess data is huge |
| 01:01.43 | beardy | bob2: He asked for it, and I said it could break things.. |
| 01:01.50 | dogayonv | use /ignore -help |
| 01:02.09 | dogayonv | k3b does data |
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| 01:02.17 | theboneman | thanks |
| 01:02.21 | dogayonv | welcome |
| 01:02.32 | jeffopi | thank you beardy |
| 01:02.37 | bob2 | even gnome's file manager does data dvds |
| 01:02.45 | gravity | nautilus++ |
| 01:02.46 | jshriver | thnx looking it up :) |
| 01:02.52 | x2 | hi, how can i change the tty terms to a specific font size? i'd like it 8x13 or even 6x10 |
| 01:03.17 | theboneman | -:- Ignore List: |
| 01:03.17 | theboneman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.19 | theboneman | :( |
| 01:03.37 | amphi | x2: consolechars |
| 01:03.41 | Navop_ | beardy:ISPConfig is an open source hosting control panel for Linux, it manages your web server, ftp, pop etc |
| 01:03.43 | bob2 | haha bitchx |
| 01:03.58 | theboneman | :] |
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| 01:05.04 | x2 | amphi: will consolechars keep it like that or do i have to run it everytime? |
| 01:06.01 | amphi | x2: you could mess with /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh perhaps |
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| 01:06.14 | x2 | okay, thanks :) |
| 01:06.22 | beardy | jeffopi: Remember that this may be a bad thing to do, if you need to set it back to the way it was, 'mv python.old python' to move the old symlink back into place. |
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| 01:06.50 | DaDave | hi alll |
| 01:06.53 | x2 | hihi |
| 01:06.57 | jeffopi | hmm ok thanks |
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| 01:07.42 | DaDave | is there a font-package for debian with some nice fonts like in windows? the default font packages are ugly and i don't realy want to import ttf fonts from a windows installation. |
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| 01:09.16 | DRoBeR | Hello. |
| 01:10.31 | x2 | what is the default console font path? |
| 01:11.04 | Navop_ | can someone just point me in the right direction..i need to d/l ispconfig.tar.gz, and i'm not sure how to go about it. only installed the console mode |
| 01:11.18 | Navop_ | of debian |
| 01:11.22 | x2 | ? |
| 01:11.26 | x2 | download from where? |
| 01:11.37 | amphi | x2: /usr/share/consolefonts I believe |
| 01:11.53 | x2 | thanks amphi ;) |
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| 01:12.19 | Navop_ | x2: from mirror site from www.ispconfig.org |
| 01:12.25 | jeffopi | why is KDE 3.4 called not stable but KDE says is stable |
| 01:12.26 | DaDave | msttcorefonts does the job. thanks for your help :-) |
| 01:12.32 | x2 | Navop_: well, u'd use wget for that |
| 01:12.48 | x2 | Navop_: wget [URL] |
| 01:13.02 | Navop_ | oh k ..tried ftp and it didn't work ..ty..will try |
| 01:13.03 | DaDave | !u |
| 01:13.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:14.37 | zinx | jeffopi: who's calling it not stable? |
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| 01:17.01 | jeffopi | zinx, I guess they never come out and say unstable, but it says it's not supported *anywhere*, and that you can only get it from unofficial alioth repositories or experimental |
| 01:17.37 | zinx | jeffopi: package status does not refer to software status |
| 01:17.56 | jeffopi | oh i see. So is it not safe to use it? |
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| 01:18.09 | zinx | the packages are not neccesarily safe to use |
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| 01:18.27 | zinx | if it's in experimental, then they're definitely not safe |
| 01:18.31 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does anyone know any tool in Linux which can change password of Windows? |
| 01:18.51 | jeffopi | why is the package bad? if I compile from source is that okay? |
| 01:19.01 | zinx | (packages are in experimental due to being bad) |
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| 01:19.18 | joe_ | su |
| 01:19.21 | zinx | non-managed stuff is generally even more dangerous ;) |
| 01:19.22 | joe_ | damn it |
| 01:19.23 | joe_ | wrong window ;) |
| 01:19.29 | jeffopi | but if the thing that is packaged isn't bad, why is the package bad |
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| 01:19.38 | zinx | jeffopi: can be anything |
| 01:20.10 | zinx | jeffopi: not installing/uninstalling properly, conflicting with other packages, non-existent for most arches |
| 01:20.15 | Liquid_Tension | I've got an azalia card, and compiled drivers for ALSA into the kernel, any ideas why it's not working? |
| 01:20.28 | zinx | jeffopi: check the BTS |
| 01:20.38 | Liquid_Tension | I've got an azalia card, and compiled drivers for ALSA into the kernel, any ideas why it's not working? |
| 01:20.46 | Liquid_Tension | jesus christ, wrong window again! |
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| 01:20.47 | jeffopi | what's a BTS, and is there a package for it that isn't bad? |
| 01:21.06 | imang1 | shingouz: I have done what you told me...grabbing the package from sid and installing it with dpkg...dpkg: error processing amule (--install):.... dependency problems - leaving unconfigured.....Errors were encountered while processing:......amule |
| 01:21.10 | beardy | Navop_: You really need to learn using google. And documentation is right under your nose, http://www.ispconfig.org/manual_installation.htm I don't know why it's not packaged, perhaps too new, or licensing problems, it says BSD license, but they don't want to show it anywhere, so probably it's that.. |
| 01:21.23 | zinx | !tell jeffopi about bts |
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| 01:24.51 | jeffopi | thank you zinx. Does anyone know how to use testdisk? I lost a partition because I pressed wrong number making a partition. I correctly it quickly but I still couldn't see the Windows partition on this disk |
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| 01:29.07 | chealer | hum, what's the command to see a file's properties with CLI? |
| 01:29.18 | ke6isf | chealer: ...file? |
| 01:29.28 | ke6isf | chealer: What kind of properties are you looking for? |
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| 01:30.03 | chealer | not file. properties like modification date |
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| 01:30.15 | ke6isf | chealer: ls -l $filename comes to mind. |
| 01:30.21 | chealer | that's what I want to know anyway, a file's modification date |
| 01:30.34 | concept10 | Navop_, one of the developers of ISPconfig has posted a how-to for installing with most popular distros |
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| 01:31.58 | jeffopi | thank you zinx. Does anyone know how to use testdisk? I lost a partition because I pressed wrong number making a partition. I correctly it quickly but I still couldn't see the Windows partition on this disk |
| 01:32.37 | beardy | !repeat |
| 01:32.38 | dpkg | well, repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
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| 01:34.46 | chealer | if ls gives a file's modification date, how do you get the creation time? |
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| 01:37.19 | SimonRaven | !creation time |
| 01:37.38 | SimonRaven | !listkeys creat |
| 01:37.39 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'creat' by key (8): create debian package ;; creativecommons.org ;; cannot create executables ;; create a debian package ;; creative ;; creator ;; creat ;; create cd image. |
| 01:37.39 | cubeeee | anyone have anytime to help with a solving a debian problem? |
| 01:38.28 | beardy | cubeeee: Just ask away. |
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| 01:38.54 | ke6isf | !ask |
| 01:38.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:39.08 | cubeeee | i just finished installing debian base system so i could setup xcfe |
| 01:39.24 | chealer | bah, I'm checking manpages in section 1...hopefully I find what I'm thinking about today :) |
| 01:39.31 | cubeeee | i did an apt-get install xcfe everything went ok until i tried to run xcfe |
| 01:39.34 | jonaskoelker | how do I find the sources used to compile the terminfo db? |
| 01:39.37 | cubeeee | i got the following error |
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| 01:39.40 | jonaskoelker | (s/how/where) |
| 01:39.44 | SimonRaven | there isn't any kept, AFAICT |
| 01:39.51 | SimonRaven | s/T/R/ |
| 01:39.59 | chealer | SimonRaven: ok :| |
| 01:40.02 | Z_Man | how could i change my screen resolution higher than 800x600. i just installed debian. i use the screen resolution utility but, it wont let me select higher than 800x600 |
| 01:40.08 | SimonRaven | i could be wrong |
| 01:40.22 | beardy | !drxx Z_Man |
| 01:40.23 | dpkg | Z_Man: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:40.29 | chealer | cubeeee: I'd try xfce4 instead anyway |
| 01:40.51 | Destroyer661 | Anyone know how to get ATI drivers working on Xorg? i'm having uber troubles :( |
| 01:40.59 | cubeeee | user / bin / startxfce4: line 34: exec: xinit: not found |
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| 01:41.07 | Z_Man | thanks. |
| 01:41.14 | cubeeee | lol yea sorry typed it wrong |
| 01:41.25 | drac | Destroyer661: X.org.. so you are using unstable ? ATi drivers doesn't support GCC 4 what Testing/Unstable uses. |
| 01:41.33 | Destroyer661 | Stable |
| 01:41.40 | ke6isf | cubeeee: Are you in console mode right now? |
| 01:41.51 | jonaskoelker | wow, beardy... :-) you use that a lot? |
| 01:41.54 | drac | Destroyer661: Well, what's the problem then ? |
| 01:41.58 | cubeeee | no i'm not booted into debian at the moment |
| 01:42.34 | beardy | jonaskoelker: ? |
| 01:42.40 | ke6isf | cubeeee: Also, which Debian version did you install? |
| 01:42.46 | jonaskoelker | "!drxx" |
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| 01:43.01 | cubeeee | ke6isf: 2.6 |
| 01:43.13 | Destroyer661 | drac: i followed the instructions here -> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 01:43.19 | ke6isf | cubeeee: Current stable is 3.1. Are you sure that's not a kernel version you just gave me? |
| 01:43.20 | Destroyer661 | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 01:43.37 | drac | Destroyer661: I'm familiar with that page, working instructions.. |
| 01:43.47 | cubeeee | ke6isf: yes that is the kernel version i used and i am using 3.1 |
| 01:43.55 | ke6isf | cubeeee: OK, that makes sense now. |
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| 01:44.24 | ke6isf | cubeeee: Boot back into Debian, do 'apt-get install irssi', run irssi, and come back - this way we can more effectively help you. |
| 01:44.37 | ke6isf | cubeeee: ...not to mention more efficiently. |
| 01:44.38 | YaleR | irssi-text |
| 01:44.39 | YaleR | btw |
| 01:44.48 | ke6isf | cubeeee: What YaleR said. |
| 01:44.50 | ke6isf | !beer YaleR |
| 01:44.55 | YaleR | cheers |
| 01:45.06 | jonaskoelker | lol @ !beer :-) |
| 01:45.06 | cubeeee | what is irssi? |
| 01:45.07 | ke6isf | I keep forgetting that '-text' part. =O.o= |
| 01:45.12 | jonaskoelker | cubeeee: an irc client |
| 01:45.19 | ke6isf | cubeeee: IRC client for command line. |
| 01:45.22 | jonaskoelker | s/an/*the*/ :-) |
| 01:45.28 | Destroyer661 | drac: i'm getting owned at the part where you configure X |
| 01:45.37 | cubeeee | ahhh do i run it with startirssi ? |
| 01:45.45 | jonaskoelker | cubeeee: no, 'irssi' |
| 01:46.10 | jonaskoelker | (no quotes) |
| 01:46.14 | cubeeee | i just type irssi at the prompt and it will run? |
| 01:46.18 | YaleR | cubeeee: then to get on freenode type /server irc.freenode.net and join debian with /join #debian (incase you don't really know how to use irc... |
| 01:46.20 | jonaskoelker | exactly... |
| 01:46.21 | ke6isf | cubeeee: Yeah, if' you're logged in. |
| 01:46.22 | Destroyer661 | drac: i edited the Xorg.conf file to match what the site says but it gets an error saying it can't refrence "your monitor" to "your screen" or something close to that |
| 01:46.48 | cubeeee | k brb |
| 01:46.50 | cubeeee | thanx |
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| 01:46.57 | drac | Destroyer661: You can backup xorg.conf, and run 'fglrxconfig' to generate a working configuration ..example. |
| 01:47.17 | beardy | jonaskoelker: Yeah, that factoid is quite often used I guess. |
| 01:47.32 | eschur | How come there are no debian luminocity packages? |
| 01:47.34 | jonaskoelker | alright, since no one seems to be answering by terminfo question, I'll describe the goal, not the step: echo $'\a' (et al.) doesn't produce PC-speaker out put (which I want it too) ... |
| 01:47.41 | eschur | Or debian eclipse packages |
| 01:47.50 | jonaskoelker | I tried an ubuntu liveCD; on it, the PC speaker worked (i.e. not a hardware fault). |
| 01:48.03 | Destroyer661 | drac: i did that too but then it tried to load up the device in PCI:1:0:1 which again got an error |
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| 01:48.57 | jonaskoelker | I read http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Visual-Bell.html; tried what I found relevant; none worked |
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| 01:49.32 | drac | Destroyer661: That was NOT the actual error it failed, PCI:1:0:1 is just fake device by ATi, for Microsoft Windows + ATi Dualhead. It's common to have that error in xorg.conf with ATi card. |
| 01:49.40 | beardy | jonaskoelker: And you haven't done anything of this? |
| 01:49.41 | concept10 | Does anyone have experience using the Debian harden-tools and other associated packages? |
| 01:49.42 | beardy | !shell beep |
| 01:49.42 | dpkg | i heard shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style) - also man setterm. |
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| 01:49.44 | drac | Destroyer661: So there must be another reason it failed .. |
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| 01:50.13 | RomanK | Hi all! I just run into a big problem: |
| 01:50.16 | ke6isf | !tell concept10 -about ask |
| 01:50.24 | concept10 | !info hardern-tools |
| 01:50.26 | beardy | jonaskoelker: set bell-style to none, I mean |
| 01:50.32 | RomanK | i spent the last two days setting up a server (sarge), until the last reboot, everything worked fine |
| 01:50.51 | Destroyer661 | drac: lemme try to run fglrxconfig again then rstart X |
| 01:50.58 | RomanK | now i can't login anymore... the sessions open (as i can see in the auth.log), but i get kicked out right after it |
| 01:51.03 | Destroyer661 | drac: i'll try and find the error |
| 01:51.12 | lildude | i got kde on my debian box |
| 01:51.16 | concept10 | ke6isf, my question was my question |
| 01:51.18 | drac | Destroyer661: or upload Xorg.0.log from such session to pastebin.com or smthing |
| 01:51.20 | jonaskoelker | beardy: no manual entry for inputrc |
| 01:51.21 | lildude | cool thanks guys for the help |
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| 01:51.34 | RomanK | right now, i'm in runlevel 1, because the shell on /dev/tty0 works there. I removed /etc/nologin and started the sshd... but i still cannot login via ssh |
| 01:51.34 | concept10 | !info harden-tools |
| 01:51.37 | RomanK | anyone any idea? |
| 01:51.37 | dpkg | harden-tools: (Tools to enhance or analyze the security of the local system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.1.17 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 01:51.39 | Destroyer661 | drac:ok |
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| 01:51.50 | deadcat | cool. my ibm128mb usb finally only show up as sda instead of sda and sdb at the same time. |
| 01:52.06 | YaleR | RomanK: wth happened? |
| 01:52.20 | ke6isf | !tell concept10 -about polls |
| 01:52.41 | beardy | jonaskoelker: really? Well, have you ever edited .inputrc in your homedirectory? 'less ~/.inputrc' and look for "set bell-style" |
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| 01:53.08 | ke6isf | RomanK: What are the symptoms? |
| 01:53.09 | RomanK | YaleR: nothing i know of... the last time i shutted the server down, i didn't change anything, then i moved it (physically) to another location and rebooted it. Somehow (i have no idea why) it crashed after a few minutes... then i booted again... and here i am with my new problem |
| 01:53.15 | jonaskoelker | beard: I don't have .inputrc |
| 01:53.21 | Xenguy | jonaskoelker: or man readline |
| 01:53.25 | RomanK | ke6isf: well... i can't login from anywhere but runlevel1/tty0? |
| 01:53.36 | concept10 | !tell ke6isf about kissing my ass tonight |
| 01:53.37 | jonaskoelker | Xenguy: only in 3 -- that's the one? |
| 01:53.40 | ke6isf | RomanK: Are you being told "access denied", or is it just booting you out? WHat' precisely is going on? |
| 01:53.43 | terr | is anyone here running KDevelop? |
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| 01:54.13 | beardy | jonaskoelker: Ok, have you changed your terminal settings? Do you get beeps when typing backspace as root, or as another user? |
| 01:54.15 | RomanK | ke6isf: no! i can login, in the auth.log it's mentioned, that the session was opened... but as soon as i should get a bash, i'm out again |
| 01:54.21 | paulproteus|jhu | I created a passwordless SSH key a few years back. I now want to apply a password to it. How do I modify the key that way? |
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| 01:54.36 | YaleR | RomanK: it doesn't say anything? |
| 01:54.39 | ke6isf | RomanK: Like as in back out at a login prompt? |
| 01:54.49 | Xenguy | jonaskoelker: just a suggestion re: tips for /etc/inputrc |
| 01:54.53 | RomanK | YaleR: nothing useful... it says the session was opened... not more, not less |
| 01:54.54 | jonaskoelker | I get a flashing titler-bar (gnome setting), but no sound |
| 01:55.01 | YaleR | try changing your default shell? |
| 01:55.04 | YaleR | I dunno |
| 01:55.17 | jonaskoelker | may be an alsa setting? |
| 01:55.22 | jonaskoelker | (just thinking out loud) |
| 01:55.26 | RomanK | ke6isf, YaleR: like this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dEjqfr70.html |
| 01:55.27 | ke6isf | RomanK: It sounds like your default shell was altered. Check on that and make sure it's not something like /bin/false. |
| 01:55.56 | RomanK | YaleR: i already tried bash and sh from tty0 (which works when in runlevel 0, as mentioned before). both work fine |
| 01:56.02 | RomanK | ke6isf: good idea... one moment |
| 01:56.05 | beardy | jonaskoelker: ... You don't get beeps in X (in an xterm you do, but not gnome-term or something like that) Ctrl-Alt-F1, login, type backspace, beeping, right? |
| 01:56.26 | YaleR | RomanK: then it is more likely a ssh problem... no? |
| 01:56.34 | jonaskoelker | beardy: nope |
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| 01:56.38 | RomanK | ke6isf: still /bin/bash |
| 01:56.41 | romulo | what package provides svn? |
| 01:56.41 | jonaskoelker | beardy: (no beep, that is) |
| 01:56.43 | paulproteus|jhu | All, I figured it out - ssh-keygen -p . Thanks anyway. ;) |
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| 01:56.53 | paulproteus|jhu | romulo, subversion |
| 01:56.56 | romulo | thanks |
| 01:56.57 | RomanK | YaleR: i don't think so, because if i change into another runlevel, i also can't login on /dev/ttyX |
| 01:57.00 | ke6isf | RomanK: Have you logged in successfully at the console? |
| 01:57.12 | paulproteus|jhu | romulo, next time try "apt-file search" |
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| 01:57.21 | RomanK | ke6isf: only in runlevel 0, on tty0 (ttyS0 might work too) |
| 01:57.31 | RomanK | runlevel 1 of course, not 0 |
| 01:57.41 | ke6isf | RomanK: was gonna say, RL 0 is 'halt'. |
| 01:57.47 | beardy | jonaskoelker: And what Xenguy said, /etc/inputrc, do you have any set bell-style in there? |
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| 01:57.58 | YaleR | lol, yeah... weird |
| 01:58.11 | desilva | can anyone tell me why gdm starts in 800x600 and when kde starts it switches to 1024x768? I would like to log in using 1024x768. |
| 01:58.14 | Destroyer661 | woot my ATI drivers are working |
| 01:58.14 | RomanK | absolutely... and this baby should be productive in a few hours :( |
| 01:58.29 | jonaskoelker | beardy: nope; should I put "set bell-style none"? |
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| 01:58.34 | ke6isf | RomanK: Wild idea, is /path/to/bash a symlink or the actual executable? |
| 01:58.52 | beardy | jonaskoelker: No, then you disable it, (like it seems to be now..) |
| 01:58.56 | RomanK | ke6isf: if i do "/bin/bash" from tty0 it works just fine |
| 01:59.02 | RomanK | so does /bin/sh |
| 01:59.14 | Xenguy | jonaskoelker: I like -> set bell-style visible |
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| 01:59.25 | ke6isf | RomanK: OK, and does this only happen if you attempt to log in as root, or will it do the same thing if you log in as another user? |
| 01:59.34 | desilva | is there a way to change resolution for gdm?. |
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| 01:59.39 | beardy | jonaskoelker: Most times, people only complain about that they don't want beeps, not so much the other way around, I wonder what it can be then.. |
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| 01:59.56 | cubeeee | ke6isf: hey i tried the irssi and the package wasn't found |
| 02:00.00 | RomanK | ke6isf: same thing for every user i created so far on this machine |
| 02:00.01 | cubeeee | :( |
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| 02:00.18 | ke6isf | cubeeee: Did you follow YaleR's suggestion to do 'irssi-text' for the package name? |
| 02:00.25 | jonaskoelker | beardy: sometimes, the (god frigging...) beeping provides information |
| 02:00.27 | ke6isf | RomanK: That's really weird. |
| 02:00.31 | RomanK | ke6isf: if i login as non-root, i even get the MOTD |
| 02:00.41 | jonaskoelker | beardy: like, the tetris brick has hit the bottom and can't be moved anymore :D |
| 02:00.55 | RomanK | ke6isf: http://rafb.net/paste/results/PCozTm93.html |
| 02:00.57 | cubeeee | ke6isf: ahhh that stinks i didn't i will try now |
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| 02:01.11 | cadu | hello! how can i change default fonts in console ? |
| 02:01.15 | cadu | dpkg-reconfigure <???> |
| 02:01.15 | beardy | jonaskoelker: Yes, I know, it's very good sometimes, but after a while, when you hit a backspace to much, it gets annoying :) |
| 02:01.19 | RomanK | goddammit... and no useful log-entries... |
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| 02:01.34 | ke6isf | cadu: You know, I just did that. |
| 02:01.36 | xbm-x | any one here program? stuff |
| 02:01.39 | jonaskoelker | beardy: then I at least know how to turn it back on again when I don't want it mute anymore :) |
| 02:01.43 | concept10 | I have a mp3 player that mounts inside my computer case using a standard IDE interface. It has its own power button. Is it safe to turn this off / on if it is unmounted? |
| 02:01.43 | Carla | hola |
| 02:01.47 | beardy | jonaskoelker: Hmm, do you run a custom 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:01.53 | Carla | hola |
| 02:01.54 | desilva | xbm-x: I program java |
| 02:01.55 | SerajewelKS | here's a random one-liner that may be useful: deborphan -a | awk '{print $2}' | sort | xargs dpkg -l | less |
| 02:02.01 | jonaskoelker | beardy: nope, stock .8 |
| 02:02.06 | ke6isf | Carla: en ingles, por favor. |
| 02:02.07 | SerajewelKS | !tell xbm-x about anyone |
| 02:02.08 | KeeganW | I am comparing various distrobutions, and noticed that FC4 intergrated Eclipse and KDEvelop seamlessly. Are there other distros that do this? Does Debian do this? |
| 02:02.15 | rocio | como estan? |
| 02:02.23 | rocio | ok |
| 02:02.37 | rocio | hello |
| 02:02.37 | x-Al1gma | hello rocio |
| 02:02.40 | xbm-x | deardy: you do java so hard but i guess you like it |
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| 02:03.05 | ke6isf | cadu: Lemme look at something, it's just a variable you set. |
| 02:03.05 | jonaskoelker | beardy: 2.6.8-1-686 #1 Thu Nov 25 04:34:30 UTC 2004 i868 |
| 02:03.08 | rocio | hay alguien que hable en espańol aca? |
| 02:03.14 | jonaskoelker | beardy: just to be precise |
| 02:03.14 | RomanK | ke6isf: i can even browse it's samba-shares... |
| 02:03.16 | ke6isf | !es |
| 02:03.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:03.24 | RomanK | just the login doesn't work... smells like pam-problems |
| 02:03.26 | beardy | jonaskoelker: Ok, but 2.6 anyway.. in 2.6, IIRC, the pc-speaker has to be compiled in, is it a module perhaps..? (shouldn't be though) |
| 02:03.43 | rocio | hello |
| 02:03.44 | x-Al1gma | hello rocio |
| 02:03.52 | xbm-x | deardy: do you know any thinking about runescape? |
| 02:03.53 | jonaskoelker | beardy: wtf... :( |
| 02:04.03 | RomanK | no... wait! |
| 02:04.07 | RomanK | i know the problem |
| 02:04.07 | rik_ | Hi there. If I run gdm in an unstable chroot on vt8 but can't VT switch back, could it be because the /dev or /tmp directories aren't mounted --bind? Is there anything that the chroot needs access to to allow VT switching? From the chrooted gdm login I do CTRL-ALT-Fn and see the cursor pause briefly, but no switching. any ideas please? |
| 02:04.08 | beardy | jonaskoelker: i868? |
| 02:04.14 | jonaskoelker | beardy: that's debian stock, not .org kernels you're talking about |
| 02:04.16 | ke6isf | cadu: chfont. |
| 02:04.25 | jonaskoelker | beardy: exactly :D i686 |
| 02:04.34 | RomanK | i just recall: the crash was while it re-created the locales... |
| 02:04.44 | ke6isf | cadu: It will only work in console mode, not in an X terminal program. |
| 02:05.03 | RomanK | hell... that's it! |
| 02:05.05 | chealer | jonaskoelker: you're running an old kernel. unless you don |
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| 02:05.17 | chealer | ...'t care about security, get 2.6.8-2 |
| 02:05.20 | KeeganW | Does Debian include Eclipse and KDEvelop in their OS like Fedora does? |
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| 02:05.29 | Fluten | can i have debian boot off a 250MB hard drive, and then continue loading everything else from a nfs server? |
| 02:05.58 | jonaskoelker | chealer: thanks for the tip. Does it include PC speaker support by default? :-) |
| 02:06.02 | xbm-x | what's the best computer to run linux on it? |
| 02:06.12 | xbm-x | mac |
| 02:06.15 | jonaskoelker | xbm-x: one that works :-) |
| 02:06.16 | chealer | jonaskoelker: I'd guess so, but I know nothing about sounds |
| 02:06.24 | jonaskoelker | chealer: ok... |
| 02:06.25 | beardy | jonaskoelker: I donät know really.. I donät run 2.6 at the moment, I just remember that the pc-speaker had to be compiled in, when looking at 2.6.0.. |
| 02:06.32 | RomanK | ke6isf, YaleR: it finally work's again, thx guys. The crash i told you earlier about was while generating the locales... looks like this happens, if they aren't generated completely |
| 02:06.34 | ke6isf | xbm-x: Anything that runs Linux. |
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| 02:06.52 | Mrdini | hmm, I want to look at the debian CVS for "adduser" but the CVS isn't structured in a very logical way :P anyone know where to find /usr/sbin/adduser? |
| 02:06.53 | ke6isf | RomanK: Good to know. =^^= |
| 02:06.54 | chealer | KeeganW: you'd have to explain how fedora does it if you want us to tell you if debian does it the same way |
| 02:07.05 | Mrdini | http://cvs.debian.org/ |
| 02:07.32 | xbm-x | im talking about whats the computers that mosty suport linux like modem and stuff |
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| 02:07.43 | chealer | Mrdini: are you sure that file exists in the CVS repository? |
| 02:07.44 | KeeganW | Chealer: I am not sure how to explain it...It allows you to install them just like any other package, and includes shortcuts to them in the menu |
| 02:07.49 | ke6isf | !tell xbm-x -about hardware |
| 02:08.02 | chealer | Mrdini: adduser isn't in PHP/other "scripting" language |
| 02:08.11 | kelv | KeeganW, yeah, apt-get install eclipsre |
| 02:08.23 | beardy | xbm-x: As long as it's real hardware, not winmodems or such crap, and use standard chipsets and so on, you'll be ok. |
| 02:08.23 | Mrdini | chealer, it _should_ be.. it's part of the debian distro |
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| 02:08.29 | punkrockguy318 | I'm using Debian sarge on my laptop... In X and in console, the fullscreen is not used. What can I try to do to solve this? |
| 02:08.30 | chealer | KeeganW: yes, except eclipse isn't officially part of debian |
| 02:08.34 | rocio | hello baby |
| 02:08.50 | ke6isf | !tell punkrockguy318 -about laptop |
| 02:08.57 | ke6isf | rocio: Hello, how can we help you? |
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| 02:09.00 | xbm-x | damn it why can't windows and linux work together |
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| 02:09.06 | KeeganW | chealer: does Debian contain KDE also? or does it just instal gnome? |
| 02:09.16 | chealer | punkrockguy318: by "the fullscreen", do yoy mean...the full screen? |
| 02:09.28 | pngwn | xbm-x, don't start with the troll again |
| 02:09.35 | xbm-x | :\ |
| 02:09.38 | chealer | KeeganW: it installs none (by default), but debian repositories contain KDE |
| 02:09.41 | rocio | no entiendo una mierda lo que me dicen no hablo en ingles |
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| 02:09.50 | ke6isf | !tell ricio -about es |
| 02:09.56 | xbm-x | what's troll means? |
| 02:10.22 | rocio | un canal que hablen en espańol conocen |
| 02:10.25 | pngwn | xbm-x, do a /lastlog xbm-x and you'll see |
| 02:10.27 | rocio | ? |
| 02:10.28 | KeeganW | chealer: ty, I think that answers my question |
| 02:10.37 | chealer | Mrdini: not all files in debian are in the CVS repositories. I'd expect few binaries to be there |
| 02:10.47 | xbm-x | oh! |
| 02:10.49 | chealer | !es |
| 02:10.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:10.56 | ke6isf | rocio: Hablamos muy pocito espanol. Sientimos. |
| 02:11.01 | Mrdini | chealer, reason why I ask is that I'm editing adduser for my own use, but I want to see the _latest_ adduser script |
| 02:11.20 | Mrdini | (well, not latest latest, but...) |
| 02:11.24 | ke6isf | chealer: I've already tried that as a dpkg message to him. |
| 02:11.27 | rocio | un canal en donde hablen en espańol? |
| 02:11.33 | chealer | Mrdini: which one do you have? |
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| 02:11.34 | chealer | !es |
| 02:11.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:11.41 | xbm-x | is there is any chat room that they talk about java? |
| 02:11.46 | Mrdini | chealer, # adduser 3.50 |
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| 02:11.50 | chealer | ke6isf: ok |
| 02:11.52 | ke6isf | !ops rocio is not getting the message, please help |
| 02:11.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: rocio is not getting the message, please help |
| 02:11.54 | solidliq_ | !tell solid_liq about laptops |
| 02:12.01 | ke6isf | Dod gammit. |
| 02:12.02 | robink | Did the debian/stable tree blow up or did sid? |
| 02:12.10 | pngwn | xbm-x, #java ? |
| 02:12.11 | solidliq_ | !tell solid_liq about acpi |
| 02:12.13 | chealer | Mrdini: 3.50? where did you get that from? |
| 02:12.18 | gahan | can you recommend any socket 939 mainboard with pci-ex, dual ddr? |
| 02:12.22 | jonaskoelker | beardy: seems like you're right about the kernel: www.geocities.com/stssppnn/pcsp.html |
| 02:12.22 | arbiter | xbm-x: like a 12-step group? Trying to rid oneself of the disease? :-) |
| 02:12.27 | Mrdini | chealer, er..... our debian webhost server |
| 02:12.39 | *** part/#debian scd\sunday (n=scd@26-144-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 02:12.41 | chealer | Mrdini: which release does it run? |
| 02:12.42 | beardy | ke6isf: was that really necessary? |
| 02:12.45 | solidliq_ | !tell solid_liq about suspend |
| 02:12.55 | xbm-x | ah!' |
| 02:12.58 | Mrdini | chealer, er, how do I tell? or will uname -a do the trick? |
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| 02:13.20 | Mrdini | 2.4.20-3-686 |
| 02:13.20 | chealer | Mrdini: that would only tell you the kernel running. |
| 02:13.24 | Mrdini | yeah |
| 02:13.29 | xbm-x | does any one play runescape here? |
| 02:13.40 | chealer | Mrdini: looks like you're running a really old sarge |
| 02:13.41 | Mrdini | other than that - I don't know (I don't admin it, just work on it) |
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| 02:13.58 | ke6isf | beardy: Under the circumstances, after there were not one or two but *three* !es in channel, one 'tell rocio -about es' if not more, and repeated requests along with me telling him I speak very little spanish, it couldn't hurt. |
| 02:14.06 | nerd | ha |
| 02:14.08 | panjiam | hello, how to re-probe and reconfigure hardwares in Debian? |
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| 02:14.16 | jonaskoelker | Mrdini: also, worth knowing about, is cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:14.18 | chealer | Mrdini: I'd really advise you to upgrade that machine to sarge or ask it to be done. don't expect any security since then anyway |
| 02:14.27 | debian | okay |
| 02:14.34 | chealer | Mrdini: s/sarge/stable sarge (3.1) |
| 02:14.44 | Mrdini | chealer, hmm, noted - will look into upgrading, but for now, adduser? (like I say, I'm not the admin *sweats*) |
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| 02:15.05 | Cubeeee | k back :) |
| 02:15.07 | Mrdini | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:15.07 | Mrdini | testing/unstable |
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| 02:15.12 | ke6isf | Cubeeee: How'd it go? |
| 02:15.18 | chealer | Mrdini: get sarge's adduser 3.63 |
| 02:15.20 | ke6isf | bob2: Sankyu |
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| 02:15.30 | Cubeeee | ke6isf: i'm on with debian and irssi right now |
| 02:15.36 | rik_ | Hello all. Does anyone here run a chrooted system with its own gdm login on another VT please? |
| 02:15.39 | chealer | Cubeeee: yay! :) |
| 02:15.41 | jonaskoelker | bbiab: frobbing ubuntu |
| 02:15.43 | Cubeeee | lol |
| 02:15.44 | ke6isf | Cubeeee: OK, excellent. |
| 02:15.46 | Mrdini | chealer, but how do I find the file? :P |
| 02:15.48 | Cubeeee | the -text work |
| 02:15.50 | Cubeeee | worked |
| 02:15.51 | Mrdini | (online) |
| 02:16.14 | ke6isf | Cubeeee: Now then, you have xfce4 for a window manager and attempted to start it. What happens again? |
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| 02:16.43 | bob2 | rik_: lots of people do |
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| 02:16.58 | Cubeeee | user / bin / startxfce4: line34: exec: xinit: not found |
| 02:16.59 | chealer | Mrdini: you win. adduser isn't a binary |
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| 02:17.07 | chealer | Mrdini: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/adduser |
| 02:17.11 | bob2 | Cubeeee: sudo aptitude install x-window-system-core |
| 02:17.14 | kevin_mitnick | i need help with my program call air snort! |
| 02:17.23 | bob2 | rik_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 02:17.32 | bob2 | kevin_mitnick: then a) pick a less dumb nickname |
| 02:17.37 | Mrdini | chealer, I said it was a script! :P (at least I think i did) |
| 02:17.38 | bob2 | kevin_mitnick: and b) ask your question already |
| 02:17.38 | rik_ | bob2, thanks. I was talking to someone in here yesterday and he suggested I try chvt but it returned something like 'cannot get file descriptor' I'll check that link, thanks again |
| 02:17.45 | Cubeeee | bob2: i thought that stuff would have been picked up by the package |
| 02:17.47 | kevin_mitnick | bob2:ssshhh |
| 02:17.56 | Mrdini | chealer, thanks a heap though! |
| 02:18.08 | bob2 | Cubeeee: you don't need X installed on the local machine to use XFCE (you can run it over the network) |
| 02:18.09 | ke6isf | Cubeeee: what happens if you just do 'startx'? |
| 02:18.17 | bob2 | kevin_mitnick: are you going to continue to be annoying? |
| 02:18.21 | Mrdini | will look into sorting out the distro in the near future |
| 02:18.31 | Cubeeee | when its trying to start the x server i get that error |
| 02:18.53 | kevin_mitnick | bob2: im not talking to you please leave me alone |
| 02:19.00 | pngwn | heh |
| 02:19.17 | Cubeeee | bob2: oh so it would have had it listed as a dependency then |
| 02:19.24 | Cubeeee | would=wouldn't |
| 02:19.26 | ke6isf | Cubeeee: You are typing 'startx' then? |
| 02:19.44 | bob2 | Cubeeee: right |
| 02:19.51 | bob2 | Cubeeee: it probably Recommends or Suggests it, tho |
| 02:20.02 | Cubeeee | ke6isf: no i haven't typed that i only saw that xserver was trying to start when i tried to run xfce |
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| 02:20.20 | ke6isf | Cubeeee: Ah, OK. |
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| 02:20.57 | rik_ | bob2, Thanks, but those are the instructions I followed. It works well, execpt I can't switch back :/ I have to Alt-Sys-Req SUB to get out of the Xchroot :( What (besides /proc) do you have mounted in your chroot please? /dev/? /tmp? |
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| 02:21.19 | Cubeeee | ke6isf: should i install the base package then? |
| 02:21.27 | beardy | haha, he done it now.. |
| 02:21.33 | ke6isf | Cubeeee: Yeah, absolutely. Follow bob2's instructions. |
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| 02:21.56 | ke6isf | !beer bob2 |
| 02:21.58 | Cubeeee | k thanx guys |
| 02:22.00 | gravity | bob2: Thanks |
| 02:22.04 | ke6isf | !k |
| 02:22.04 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 02:22.08 | chealer | Mrdini: I didn't see you say that :-P good for you |
| 02:22.09 | YaleR | that was hawt |
| 02:22.13 | bob2 | rik_: /proc is neccesary and /sys might be useful |
| 02:22.23 | bob2 | rik_: but the lack of either shouldn't break vT switching |
| 02:22.23 | rik_ | Bob2 shows off his powers! |
| 02:22.25 | litage | any idea what the difference is between the Work and Duration fields in Imendio Planner? |
| 02:22.29 | bob2 | if only we had a local X maintainer here! |
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| 02:22.53 | gravity | bob2: The local X maintainer is busy working on 6.9rc0 packages :-p |
| 02:23.02 | bob2 | haha |
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| 02:23.02 | gravity | Who's got the problem? |
| 02:23.08 | dvs | and who may that be? ;-) |
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| 02:23.17 | deadcat | gravity: yay (= |
| 02:23.25 | gravity | deadcat: No yay yet, they still fail to build |
| 02:23.31 | deadcat | o |
| 02:23.36 | gravity | Which reminds me... I need to blog about that |
| 02:24.46 | Golly2005 | Hi all. Which MTA do you guys prefer/recommend? qmail or exim? |
| 02:24.57 | gravity | Oh... duh!~ |
| 02:24.58 | bob2 | postfix! |
| 02:25.00 | rik_ | is mount --bing /tmp a very good or very bad idea? |
| 02:25.01 | gravity | postfix! |
| 02:25.02 | dvs | courier |
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| 02:25.12 | rik_ | bind, sorry |
| 02:25.14 | cockroach | postfix, too |
| 02:25.14 | bob2 | qmail as an MTA is a pain in the ass |
| 02:25.19 | Golly2005 | bob2: Damn, i know someone would say postfix :) |
| 02:25.21 | bob2 | and exim3 is dead |
| 02:25.39 | Golly2005 | exim3 comes with debian sarge as the default mta right? |
| 02:25.44 | bob2 | rik_: I can't think how it could be a security issue for non-root processes |
| 02:25.46 | bob2 | Golly2005: exim4 does |
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| 02:25.52 | bob2 | exim3 has been dead upstream for years now |
| 02:25.54 | Mrdini | chealer, out of interest, how do I tell which version of sarge I'm running if /etc/debian_version says testing/unstable? |
| 02:26.07 | Golly2005 | oh. So you prefer postfix to exim4 then? |
| 02:26.17 | goodwill | pardon me, I wonder if some can tell what tool ebian uses to detect/find out h-sync/v-sync/max resolution when its configuring X for the first time? |
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| 02:26.19 | DA_ | what would be better for MTA exim4 or sendmail? im trying to configure one of them to allow mail from the local host to remote hosts and im stuck |
| 02:26.19 | Cubeeee | quit |
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| 02:27.18 | mythtv_ | hey guys how do I rerun the X setup program |
| 02:27.31 | bob2 | mythtv_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, on sid |
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| 02:27.36 | ke6isf | !drxx |
| 02:27.37 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:27.41 | bob2 | goodwill: ddcprobe, aiui |
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| 02:27.46 | chealer | Mrdini: there are not several versions of sarge, just several snapshots. these days sarge refers to [stable] 3.1 |
| 02:27.57 | deadcat | whats double buffer? |
| 02:28.03 | bob2 | Golly2005: I personally do, but they're both very powerful, under a nice license, and have great user communities |
| 02:28.08 | rking | i'm looking for a good vector graphics program to toy with, and i see inkscape and sodipodi - but their descriptions are almost exactly the same. any tips? |
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| 02:28.25 | Mrdini | chealer *nods* but how do I tell how old the sarge version/snapshot I'm working on, is? |
| 02:28.28 | Golly2005 | thanks bob2 |
| 02:28.36 | ke6isf | rking: Install them, play around. |
| 02:28.38 | bob2 | DA_: "better" is subjective...both are very powerful, it comes down to which you prefer; if you're new to MTAs in general, tho, I think exim4 would be easier for you to get started with |
| 02:28.44 | rking | deadcat: instead of writing data directly to the screen, which would cause slow updates, you write them to super-fast memory and then slam it to the video in a big chunk |
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| 02:28.50 | ke6isf | hmm, fetchmail updated. |
| 02:28.51 | bob2 | rking: one's a fork of the other |
| 02:28.56 | rking | ke6isf: yeah, i can do that - just curious if anyone had a vector graphics that they liked |
| 02:29.04 | bob2 | rking: iirc inkscape is the more actvie one |
| 02:29.17 | ke6isf | rking: Never tooled around with anything other than gimp and gqview for edits and browsing respecitvely. |
| 02:29.19 | rking | bob2++ # i'll check their websites for more info |
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| 02:29.41 | goodwill | bob2: do it do it usign a dtabase with monitor information, or do most monitors return that info upon some query? |
| 02:29.44 | DA_ | bob2: i remember during base packages install there was an extensive mail setup script... so far i havent been able to configure exim4 or sendmail to allow outgoing mail |
| 02:29.49 | rking | ke6isf: yeah - the gimp has primitive vectory stuff through paths, and maybe i'm just not skilled enough, but it doesn't come close to what i can do with CorelDRAW. |
| 02:30.00 | ke6isf | rking: Indeed. |
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| 02:30.16 | terr | Does anyone here use Kdevelop? |
| 02:30.17 | ke6isf | rking: Now if they'd only come out with CorelFOO and Photoshop for Linux.... =O.o= |
| 02:30.34 | arbiter | DA_: you could just dpkg-reconfigure exim4 again. |
| 02:30.36 | ke6isf | !polls |
| 02:30.36 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 02:30.43 | bob2 | goodwill: most (all?) modern monitors will tel you about the modes they support |
| 02:30.54 | bob2 | goodwill: the problem is a) kvms can drop that info and b) some monitors just lie |
| 02:31.07 | rking | ke6isf: remember when corel thought it was going to back linux? i wonder why draw was never ported - i've always thought that I'd pay for it if it came out. i wonder if they ran into trouble in the port for some reason. |
| 02:31.07 | DA_ | arbiter: i have it seems to have no affect... when i check the config file again and/or restart exim it still doesnt let mail go out... |
| 02:31.07 | bob2 | DA_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 02:31.14 | bob2 | DA_: that should at least let you specify a smarthost |
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| 02:31.19 | deadcat | rking: ah. thanks. torsmo is using -b to prevent the software from flashing. but root-tail outputs disapeared. any idea? |
| 02:31.30 | goodwill | bob2: thank you |
| 02:31.57 | chealer | Mrdini: there's no clean solution, but you could try $ ls -lt /var/cache/apt/archives/|head -n4|grep .deb |
| 02:31.58 | rking | deadcat: hrmm... what do you mean by root-tail? (or torsmo, which i'm apt-cache show'ing now) |
| 02:32.06 | ke6isf | rking: The only thing I know of that stops any commercial port is copyright issue and resources for doing so - in no particular order. |
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| 02:32.44 | ke6isf | rking: Then again, they were probably going for "most popular" and just put a new label on WordPerfect when they bought the rights. |
| 02:32.45 | deadcat | rking: both softwares run on the root window. torsmo display system info and root-tail tails log files. |
| 02:32.57 | rking | ke6isf: corel had the resources to /make a distro/, i thought surely they had a CorelDRAW port ready to go. |
| 02:33.07 | DA_ | bob2: hrm... i selected mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail and thats the only question it asked... |
| 02:33.17 | ke6isf | rking: Mm. |
| 02:33.35 | bob2 | DA_: it should ask for the amsrthost name |
| 02:33.42 | punkrockguy318 | !dpkg suspend |
| 02:33.42 | dpkg | methinks suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 02:34.05 | Mrdini | chealer, output isn't very useful...... ta anyway |
| 02:34.09 | bob2 | gravity: is Debian's x autoprobe-foo using the same backend stuff as ubuntu's? |
| 02:34.30 | rking | deadcat: ahh, ok - yeah, that sounds like maybe their blit is too aggressive (BLiT = "Block Transfer"). maybe in -b mode they chock the whole rectangle over, and it causes the root-tail output to get overwritten, but in normal mode they just update the sub-rectangles that they actually change. that's how it works, right, you have a little piece of the root window for torsmo, and a little piece for root-tail? |
| 02:34.36 | DA_ | bob2: unfortunately it didnt... :( |
| 02:34.40 | chealer | Mrdini: I meant to check for the date of the latest .deb in that directory |
| 02:34.48 | bob2 | DA_: maybe add a -plow in there |
| 02:34.59 | gravity | bob2: Yep |
| 02:35.10 | gravity | bob2: None of the breezy stuff yet though |
| 02:35.27 | gravity | I haven't bothered to pull that in since we'll be pulling the 7.0 packages wholesale to start off that |
| 02:35.29 | DA_ | bob2: same thing |
| 02:35.33 | deadcat | rking: ya.. top left torsmo, bottom left root-tail |
| 02:35.39 | bob2 | gravity: ah |
| 02:35.43 | bob2 | gravity: thanks! |
| 02:35.49 | gravity | np |
| 02:35.53 | Mrdini | chealer, yeah.... May 18th for libpam-mysql..... ah well |
| 02:35.59 | punkrockguy318 | Where can I find an equivilent of rc.local in the debian etc structure? |
| 02:36.07 | chealer | Mrdini: 2005? |
| 02:36.18 | bob2 | !+rc.local |
| 02:36.18 | dpkg | rc.local is probably the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 02:36.18 | chealer | !tell punkrockguy318 about rc.local |
| 02:36.36 | Mrdini | chealer, no year, so I assume yes |
| 02:37.06 | Golly2005 | I've never setup an MTA before and I've decided to go with postfix. I've been searching the net and I can't find a good tutorial site. |
| 02:37.06 | rking | deadcat: so i forget the guys name, or the exact title of the page, but there's a "Ten Commandments of Gaming" or something like that, and rule #3 or so is "If it moves, Blit it" - sounds like torsmo isn't following that rule, and instead just blitting everything. i wouldn't be surprised if it would not be too difficult to patch it to gently blit |
| 02:37.23 | chealer | Mrdini: I wouldn't assume that with the packages you have, but my ls tells the year. |
| 02:37.25 | ke6isf | Golly2005: dpkg-reconfigure postfix? |
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| 02:37.52 | ke6isf | Golly2005: apt-get install postfix-doc? |
| 02:38.05 | Golly2005 | ke6isf: I did that and it asked my questions about relaying etc. Plus I don't know how to add users or anything. I really need some documentation :) |
| 02:38.07 | Mrdini | see - no date :P |
| 02:38.11 | punkrockguy318 | does debian run everything in /etc/init.d? |
| 02:38.17 | deadcat | rking: thanks. i am gonna email and bitch about it (= |
| 02:38.31 | ke6isf | Golly2005: Postfix relies on whatever users are in /etc/passwd as well as /etc/postfix/aliases by default. |
| 02:38.48 | Mrdini | chealer, hmm, so I see... ah well, no big deal |
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| 02:39.12 | Mrdini | will look into updating if possible, but since this is a produuction server.... |
| 02:39.12 | rking | deadcat: right. if nothing else, it'll be another vote. hey, could you save me the trouble of finding a link to the current source (preferrably CVS/SVN), and I'll take a look at it myself to see if i can't do it. |
| 02:39.43 | ke6isf | Golly2005: As for the documentation, postfix-doc will help you. |
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| 02:41.03 | deadcat | rking: ok let me look for it |
| 02:41.20 | chealer | Mrdini: that's just one more reason. that system is totally insecure |
| 02:41.24 | Golly2005 | thanks a lot ke6isf. I've installed postfix and postfix-doc. I've just typed "man postfix" now so I'll have a read :) |
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| 02:41.50 | Mrdini | chealer *nods* I know.... like I say - not the admin :P |
| 02:41.56 | dvs | Golly2005: That's not the docs in postfix-doc |
| 02:41.57 | deadcat | rking: source: http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/torsmo/torsmo-0.18.tar.gz |
| 02:42.02 | ke6isf | Golly2005: 'info postfix' will be of more assistance. =^^= Also check the comments in the main.cf. |
| 02:42.05 | chealer | Mrdini: yeah, I'm just telling you |
| 02:42.15 | deadcat | rking: or you can use the debian source. not as up to date though |
| 02:42.37 | rking | deadcat: thanks. yeah, i want to try the latest version to see if maybe they fixed it. |
| 02:44.01 | deadcat | rking: cool. (= |
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| 02:44.28 | Golly2005 | thanks ke6isf. I think i'll be back here with more questions before long though :) hehe |
| 02:44.35 | ke6isf | Golly2005: Gladly. |
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| 02:44.52 | rking | deadcat: rafb.net/paste your ~/.torsmorc by any chance? (sorry - i'm being a pain). the torsmo i built is segfaulting after outputting "No .torsmorc" and "No /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0050/0_input" |
| 02:44.58 | ke6isf | Cubeeee: Any luck? |
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| 02:45.21 | ke6isf | Cubeeee: (Hint: log in in one of the other terminals and/or use screen) |
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| 02:47.12 | rebles | When I download debian, do I need to download all the "debian-31r0a-i386-binary-X.iso" (X being all the binary numbers) or just "debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso"? |
| 02:47.23 | dvs | rebles: One is fine |
| 02:47.29 | dvs | rebles: If you have fast internet |
| 02:48.04 | rebles | dvs: What does the other binary files give you that binary 1 doesn't? |
| 02:48.13 | chealer | rebles: more packages |
| 02:48.19 | dvs | rebles: A LOT more stuff |
| 02:48.33 | chealer | which APT can get from the network |
| 02:49.03 | dvs | rebles: Disk 1 contains the most popular stuff (plus the absolute necessary stuff) |
| 02:49.09 | deadcat | rking: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadat/.torsmorc |
| 02:49.13 | rebles | *nods head* |
| 02:49.47 | rebles | so theretically you could download ALL the binary files and install them? |
| 02:49.50 | rking | deadcat: 404 |
| 02:49.56 | rking | oh, deadcat |
| 02:50.00 | dvs | rebles: From the internet, yes |
| 02:50.07 | deadcat | rking: again. |
| 02:50.19 | rking | deadcat: the first one said deadat |
| 02:50.22 | deadcat | rking: oh hahah |
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| 02:51.14 | rebles | dvs: alright. Thanks a lot for you help! :D |
| 02:51.20 | dvs | no problem |
| 02:51.24 | bob2 | rking: no, you can't install all the packages in Debian at once |
| 02:51.29 | bob2 | er, rebles |
| 02:51.38 | bob2 | but each CD does only contain .debs, yes |
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| 02:52.07 | jonaskoelker | beardy: yeeehaw, I got it; |
| 02:52.47 | jonaskoelker | in live ubuntu: lsmod | less; hmm, "pcspkr"; in debian: modprobe pcspkr... whadda' ya' know :-) |
| 02:53.25 | jonaskoelker | Thanks for the help, everybody. You have no chance to survive make your time. Or... something. |
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| 02:55.09 | rebles | err what are DEBS files? |
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| 02:55.25 | bob2 | Debian packages |
| 02:55.29 | bob2 | assuming you mean .deb |
| 02:55.44 | BhaalWK | Is there a way to get all A and CNAME records for a domain? |
| 02:56.33 | dvs | rebles: .deb files are like.... *ahem*.... .rpm files |
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| 02:57.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahahah didnt notice was already in channel |
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| 02:57.18 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 02:57.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahah. /lastlog deadcat |
| 02:57.36 | bob2 | BhaalWK: a zone transfer |
| 02:57.43 | bob2 | BhaalWK: ie "dig foo.com axfr" |
| 02:57.48 | bob2 | BhaalWK: but most people block that |
| 02:57.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Errr... it's empty |
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| 02:58.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: doh. |
| 02:58.19 | BhaalWK | bob2 yeah |
| 02:58.23 | chealer | just curious, I read "The default is the non-httpd version of lynx" in man hman. does that mean there's a "httpd" version of lynx? |
| 02:58.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok i just upgraded root-tail. let me test it out |
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| 02:59.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk... if it doesnt show first time try killing and using different X's and Y's. |
| 02:59.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh ya i am seeing || at the beginning |
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| 03:00.00 | TwistedEmotions | use the -cont signal to change it to whatever you want |
| 03:00.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. |
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| 03:00.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I have -cont \# |
| 03:00.44 | TwistedEmotions | It doesnt look bad |
| 03:00.49 | deadcat | k |
| 03:00.58 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you can change -cont colot too |
| 03:01.05 | deadcat | cool |
| 03:01.10 | rking | if the package maintainer does a gpg signing on a .deb, does it make the "Cannot be authenticated!" warning? |
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| 03:02.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: trying to new settings brb. |
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| 03:03.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ohhhhhhhhhh.. fuck.. i know why. they changed the way the WxH.. it used to be 140x15, yours is 860x120.. it used to be by line. now by pixels |
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| 03:05.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ohhhhhhhhhh.. fuck.. i know why. they changed the way the WxH.. it used to be 140x15, yours is 860x120.. it used to be by line. now by pixels |
| 03:05.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i love you (= |
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| 03:06.07 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 03:06.12 | ice_1963 | can i get some help pl |
| 03:06.21 | deadcat | !tell ice_1963 about ask |
| 03:06.27 | rking | jonaskoelker: be sure to put pcspkr in your /etc/modules |
| 03:06.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: 860x120 seems nice. |
| 03:06.50 | rking | deadcat: did TwistedEmotions just fix our problem? |
| 03:06.59 | ice_1963 | i need to get source list for non-free |
| 03:07.06 | deadcat | rking: no he fixed my root-tail problem. the geometry problem not that one (= |
| 03:07.06 | jonaskoelker | rking: did that straight away :) |
| 03:07.06 | TwistedEmotions | rking: no.. still doesnt work on double buffer ;P |
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| 03:07.16 | deadcat | rking: hes having trouble with double buffer too. |
| 03:07.18 | rking | jonaskoelker: cool. =) |
| 03:07.25 | deadcat | rking: we counting on you (= |
| 03:07.35 | rking | deadcat: ok - i'm only ankle-deep at this point, just checking if knee-deep was still needed. |
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| 03:07.52 | scud | is setting up a software raid5 on debiantime consuming, like little documentaion and etc? |
| 03:07.55 | TwistedEmotions | rking: root-tail -f -fn fixed -g 860x120-5-30 -noflicker -color RED -cont \* /var/log/apache2/access.log |
| 03:07.57 | rking | deadcat: i'm replicating both problems (flicker without -b, and overwrite with it), so that's totally half the battle. |
| 03:08.07 | jonaskoelker | well, I'll be leaving |
| 03:08.14 | TwistedEmotions | rking: doesnt help with -b.. |
| 03:08.16 | jonaskoelker | thanks again, all :-) |
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| 03:09.23 | TwistedEmotions | brb |
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| 03:11.20 | TwistedEmotions | Keep getting error... "Error reading /home/linux/.nano_history: Permission denied Press Return to continue starting nano" everytime I run nano... |
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| 03:12.00 | rking | TwistedEmotions: welll, what user are you, and what does ls -l ~linkux/.nano_history say? |
| 03:12.25 | ice_1963 | i have a nvidia vido card i need to get the non-free for my etc/apt/sources.list can some one help me pl |
| 03:12.29 | rking | TwistedEmotions: i'm wondering if you did something like: su root; ... nano somefile (causing it to be created in ~linux, but as root) |
| 03:12.52 | TwistedEmotions | -rw------- 1 root root 24 2005-08-14 19:13 .nano_history |
| 03:13.00 | TwistedEmotions | rking: your right ;P |
| 03:13.20 | chealer | ice_1963: try cat /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 03:13.29 | TwistedEmotions | chmod -??? .nanohistory |
| 03:13.30 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 03:13.43 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 03:13.52 | rking | TwistedEmotions: chown linux:linux ~/.nanohistory |
| 03:13.59 | rking | TwistedEmotions: that'll do |
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| 03:14.04 | TwistedEmotions | ahh kk ty |
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| 03:14.31 | rking | TwistedEmotions: np - the ":linux" part is technically optional - it just fixes the group |
| 03:15.28 | TwistedEmotions | rking: Weee ;) Works non |
| 03:15.35 | TwistedEmotions | *now |
| 03:15.48 | rking | TwistedEmotions: oh, and i forgot: alias nano=vim |
| 03:16.13 | TwistedEmotions | rking: So it uses vim instead of nano? |
| 03:16.41 | TwistedEmotions | rking: trying to get use to using vim but nano is so much easier ;) |
| 03:16.55 | rking | TwistedEmotions: yeah, i'm just dorkin' on ya |
| 03:17.04 | TwistedEmotions | rking: ;) |
| 03:17.39 | BhaalWK | Which of the debian 3.1 CDs has a rescue image on it? |
| 03:17.54 | rking | BhaalWK: the boot one |
| 03:18.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ...Pamelas roast is tonight! at 10 comedy central |
| 03:18.25 | rking | BhaalWK: just boot up like you're going to install, hit Alt+F2 to get to a shell window, mount your existing drive under /target, say, and go nuts |
| 03:18.42 | BhaalWK | rking .. it gives me linux linux26 expert and expert26 ... No 'rescue' I know rescue is really just a linux root=/dev/hdxx ... But isnt there a little more in the image then usual? |
| 03:18.57 | BhaalWK | rking .. hrm ok |
| 03:18.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool. thanks. hope theres that channel here at sj. else we get bt (= |
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| 03:19.08 | TwistedEmotions | bt? |
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| 03:19.16 | TwistedEmotions | ahhh.. kk I get it.. |
| 03:19.21 | TwistedEmotions | yeah it will be there |
| 03:19.50 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: we have stolen cable here. my friend went down to the garage and plug his aprt cable to the box (= |
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| 03:20.39 | witless | anyone else on gnome desktop have a broken window selector? |
| 03:21.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahaahah |
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| 03:21.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: my house is stolen too.. didnt even mean to steal.. we told them to disconnect it and they stoped charging but didnt disconnect |
| 03:22.11 | deadcat | haha. good deal. |
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| 03:23.32 | JViz | if i wanted to upgrade my kernel to kernel-image-2.6-686-smp, i would do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp? |
| 03:23.55 | EvanCarroll | yes, |
| 03:24.06 | JViz | i don't have to uninstall anything? |
| 03:24.12 | EvanCarroll | your running on a dual processer motherboard? |
| 03:24.14 | Hatter | hi guys, I have Debian Sarge install with KDE, using modconf to remove the pci_hotplug module, upon reboot the modules is being loaded again, can you tell me how to remove it please ? |
| 03:24.16 | JViz | yep |
| 03:24.27 | EvanCarroll | JViz: no. you dont have to uninstall anything, unless you so choose |
| 03:24.35 | JViz | i'm coming over from gentoo, i'm trying to figure out how to use these tools |
| 03:25.01 | EvanCarroll | Hatter: add it to blacklist.d |
| 03:25.18 | Hatter | blacklist is in modutils ? |
| 03:25.32 | witless | TwistedEmotions: are you referring to cable television? |
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| 03:25.46 | EvanCarroll | no /etc/blacklist/, or /etc/blacklist.d/ |
| 03:25.55 | TwistedEmotions | witless: yeah |
| 03:25.59 | TwistedEmotions | witless: why? |
| 03:26.23 | witless | TwistedEmotions: same thing happened to me. i called them four times telling them to turn that crap off and they wouldn't, though they're not charging me for it |
| 03:26.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: he works for them (= |
| 03:26.26 | liable | Hatter: you may want to blacklist it in hotplug too |
| 03:26.52 | Hatter | EvanCarrol: thanks, what is it that makes it try to load ? |
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| 03:27.01 | witless | TwistedEmotions: i think they get more value out of being able to tell content providers that they have the eyeballs than they do from the cable rental |
| 03:27.03 | TwistedEmotions | witless: hahah why did you call 4 times?... I gave up after the first time when the bill didnt show up. |
| 03:27.09 | robbie_ | whats a program that can convert a whole directory and its contents to lower case filenames? |
| 03:27.36 | witless | TwistedEmotions: i was going through a virulent "tv sucks and is the reflection, if not the root, of all evil" phase, most of which lingers with me to this day. |
| 03:27.37 | TwistedEmotions | witless: I agree... they asked us to stay and play only like 3 $ a month or something.. |
| 03:27.59 | TwistedEmotions | witless: I agree.. I dont watch that much... perfer to watch #debian. |
| 03:28.05 | witless | hehe |
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| 03:28.18 | Hatter | I see it is being probed, which module does the probing ? |
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| 03:28.27 | witless | i tivo news hour, NOW, frontline, and conan. almost never watch tv live |
| 03:28.29 | liable | Hatter: discover ot hotplug |
| 03:28.32 | TwistedEmotions | Hatter: grep horney |
| 03:28.57 | liable | 651 people greet back :) |
| 03:29.01 | Gnea | can anyone connect to ftp://ftp.freenet.de/ ? |
| 03:29.18 | TwistedEmotions | whopa 636+2 = 638 |
| 03:29.22 | TwistedEmotions | not 651. |
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| 03:29.29 | TwistedEmotions | *whoa |
| 03:29.40 | liable | Gnea: no |
| 03:29.41 | shimano55 | dpkg tell shimano55 cups |
| 03:29.49 | shimano55 | hmm..mabye not |
| 03:29.49 | Gnea | liable: :( |
| 03:29.57 | TwistedEmotions | !tell shimano55 about cups |
| 03:30.03 | Agrajag- | hmm anyone know why with current testing, installing/upgrading alsa wants to remove gnome/had/udev? |
| 03:30.03 | shimano55 | thatnks :) |
| 03:30.05 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 03:30.11 | Hatter | liable: is turning discover off ok after you have a working system ? |
| 03:30.13 | TwistedEmotions | shimano55: /msg dpkg about X |
| 03:30.18 | JViz | dselect seems quite cumbersome, do most people use APT instead? |
| 03:30.27 | liable | Hatter: you can blacklist it in discover |
| 03:30.32 | TwistedEmotions | shimano55: bah... I mean /msg dpkg X.. |
| 03:31.06 | shimano55 | ahh...ok thanks |
| 03:31.30 | afta | is debian workable on amb64? the faq and tutorial seem a bit outdated and I want to be sure |
| 03:31.46 | Hatter | liable: thanks |
| 03:31.49 | EvanCarroll | afta: no it isn't, it is all just a joke. |
| 03:32.11 | afta | EvanCarroll: what? |
| 03:32.16 | bob2 | afta: #debian-amd64 can probably give you more details |
| 03:32.17 | TwistedEmotions | afta: yes it is. |
| 03:32.19 | EvanCarroll | afta: thats what i said when i read you question. |
| 03:32.25 | bob2 | but it seems quite fine, as logn as you don't depend on binary-only stuff |
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| 03:33.14 | afta | ok, thanks, I'll go ask on amd64 |
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| 03:34.11 | liable | Gnea: unknown host on a ping.. |
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| 03:34.18 | Masterkong | hiya |
| 03:35.50 | chealer | Agrajag-: which package are you talking about? |
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| 03:37.00 | rking | deadcat: do you also want to have a background image on the root window? |
| 03:37.19 | paster | "Masterkong" at 85.226.96.142 pasted "testing" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/478 |
| 03:37.37 | Agrajag- | chealer: alsa-utils |
| 03:37.38 | liable | Gnea: nm, i'm a twat.. |
| 03:37.57 | chealer | does man2html have broken "dependencies" or what? it recommends apache, httpd-cgi or lynx. how is lynx related to the other 2? |
| 03:38.03 | Hatter | liable: i have remove the cdrom from this PC and on bootup it probes hda and hdb and gets probe failed. do you have a clue for me on how to remove these error messages ? |
| 03:38.04 | Golly2005 | I wonder if someone can help me.... I can't get POP3 to work :( Everytime I telnet into my linux box from my windows machine (thru port 110), no matter what command I type apart from "quit", the reply is always "ERR Unknown AUTHORIZATION state command" |
| 03:38.07 | Golly2005 | any ideas? |
| 03:38.52 | deadcat | rking: ya. i do have that. |
| 03:39.01 | chealer | Agrajag-: which APT frontend are you using? |
| 03:39.06 | Masterkong | hiya.. i'm kinda a newbie with debian and linux |
| 03:39.07 | rking | deadcat: k - not sure if it's going to matter or not - just curious |
| 03:39.09 | deadcat | rking: i have a script tthat uses feh to gen a bgimge to bg. |
| 03:39.15 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:39.15 | bob2 | chealer: think... |
| 03:39.42 | chealer | bob2: I can't figure it out |
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| 03:39.55 | chealer | browser vs httpd... :? |
| 03:39.59 | Masterkong | and i'm wondering if there are any more programs like kde or gnome in debian |
| 03:40.18 | chealer | Masterkong: XFCE is another desktop environment available |
| 03:40.18 | DoppelGanger | wtf |
| 03:40.33 | jim | Agrajag: I am going through the same thing. I just wiped out Windows Vista on my second partition on my laptop and was using the testing installer and ran into the same issue. |
| 03:40.43 | Masterkong | chealer, as a package? |
| 03:40.47 | liable | Hatter: not really, your hard drive is scsi or ide? |
| 03:40.53 | chealer | Masterkong: yes. xfce4 or xfce |
| 03:41.01 | DoppelGanger | windows vista huh, he he |
| 03:41.33 | amphi | vista? |
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| 03:41.41 | Masterkong | chealer, is it good looking :) |
| 03:41.47 | jim | Windows Vista was alright, but it has some issues. Doesn't seem to be much of an improvement over XP. I guess the same thing was said though when XP came out as compared to 2000 though as well. |
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| 03:42.11 | Hatter | liable: it's ide, ugly error messages on bootup, the PC is going to my grandfather, it would be nicer not have the probe |
| 03:42.24 | rking | deadcat: remember, there's always -o, and then make that window always on bottom |
| 03:42.27 | chealer | Masterkong: I tried it for very few time, it seemed too broken and ugly to me |
| 03:42.46 | liable | Hatter: but it finds the drive ok? |
| 03:43.09 | deadcat | rking: oh let me try that |
| 03:43.24 | Hatter | the drive it find is on hdc, it finds that fine, but first has to probe hda and hdb, takes a short while |
| 03:43.41 | Masterkong | chealer, what are you using then? |
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| 03:44.03 | liable | Hatter: oh, why dont you just move the drive to first controller? |
| 03:44.10 | deadcat | rking: if i use -o its not on root window no more |
| 03:44.46 | liable | Hatter: primary.. master.. |
| 03:44.58 | jim | While obviously the daily builds of the installer are beta and can be broken, I found it odd that when I installed it both on my laptop and on a VMware session it complained both times that it got a DHCP assigned address successfully, but it did not have a default route assigned. It then asked if I wanted to continue. Obviously I did, and since it doesnt seem to access the network in this stage until after reboot, all is well, but I could se |
| 03:44.58 | jim | e how this might be disconcerting to a new user who might feel the installer is broken as result. I was just wondering if others had the same experience? |
| 03:45.06 | Masterkong | hey ppl.. what desktop enviroment is nicest? in your opinon? |
| 03:45.07 | Hatter | liable: that's an option, but should I have to ? then it may try to probe hdc and hdd ? |
| 03:45.09 | chealer | Masterkong: KDE |
| 03:45.26 | liable | Hatter: doubt it.. |
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| 03:45.38 | liable | Hatter: try it, its trivial.. |
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| 03:45.46 | Masterkong | oops |
| 03:45.58 | Masterkong | wrong button |
| 03:46.00 | Masterkong | hehe |
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| 03:47.03 | mikeo | anyone know why my box is giving dns errors for everything? |
| 03:47.13 | jim | core DNS routers are all down |
| 03:47.15 | mikeo | its really messing up my server |
| 03:47.16 | jim | :-) |
| 03:47.20 | mikeo | ? |
| 03:47.26 | jim | Just kidding mikeo |
| 03:47.26 | mikeo | what the internet crashed or something |
| 03:47.33 | jim | he had to be rebooted damn microsoft |
| 03:47.51 | jim | Where are you getting the DNS errors? |
| 03:47.52 | mikeo | is there something that would mess up the dns |
| 03:47.56 | mikeo | everywhere |
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| 03:48.02 | jim | Can it resolve anything? |
| 03:48.06 | mikeo | i can connect to it on ssh |
| 03:48.16 | mikeo | and view the server over the network |
| 03:48.24 | mikeo | but lynx cant even find google |
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| 03:48.39 | jim | So when you ssh into the system that is having dns errors, if you open a shell and you type in "nslookup www.debian.org" does it give a response? |
| 03:48.41 | mikeo | and apt-get gives dns errors |
| 03:48.47 | liable | can it ping google |
| 03:48.59 | jim | It sounds like the DNS servers in your resolv.conf in /etc is out of whack.. |
| 03:49.13 | mikeo | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 03:49.27 | jim | right so I bet the dns servfers in your resolv.conf are down or something |
| 03:49.30 | mikeo | cant ping google |
| 03:49.34 | jim | or might not be allowing recursive lookups anymore |
| 03:49.43 | mikeo | how do i fix it? |
| 03:49.44 | jim | if you "cat /etc/resolv.conf" what is in there? |
| 03:49.46 | Hatter | liable: yep it's now probing hdc and getting no response |
| 03:49.57 | Hatter | and hdd |
| 03:50.02 | mikeo | domain localdomain.local |
| 03:50.02 | mikeo | nameserver 63.144.98.5 |
| 03:50.24 | jim | OK, so you have one DNS server listed... See if you type this in "nslookup www.debian.org 63.144.98.5" |
| 03:50.30 | TwistedEmotions | Why dont they freaking make laptops and cell phones waterproof? |
| 03:50.39 | jim | this asks your DNS server (the 63.144.98.5 addr) directly for resolution |
| 03:50.58 | jim | if it baulks at your request, we just need to put some different DNS servers in there |
| 03:51.04 | liable | Hatter: bugger, see if you can do anything in bios, i dont know why its doing that.. |
| 03:51.06 | rking | deadcat: right - it's totally cheating, but it behaves better, afaict. |
| 03:51.15 | mikeo | where can i get different dnss's |
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| 03:51.21 | scarynetworkguy | a |
| 03:51.25 | TwistedEmotions | rking: you solved the problem? |
| 03:51.29 | jim | Go into that file and change them to something... umm |
| 03:51.40 | jim | well, I know of a couple dns servers that will answer to any request... |
| 03:51.48 | jim | let me see |
| 03:51.48 | Hatter | liable: bios is no help, I have tried turning the other channel off, but it still probes it |
| 03:51.52 | mikeo | cool |
| 03:51.58 | jim | you can try |
| 03:52.06 | jim | 66.179.168.118 and 66.179.12.115 |
| 03:52.07 | deadcat | rking: then i will have to disable it from the tasklist and background image wont see thought it |
| 03:52.08 | rking | TwistedEmotions: wellll - if you run it with -o, it runs in its "own window", which means that there's no way it could conflict. If you pin that window to the bottom layer, it's fairly close to being indistinguishable from actually being on the root window |
| 03:52.16 | liable | Hatter: damn, I dunno. sorry |
| 03:52.21 | mikeo | so do i put them both in |
| 03:52.23 | mikeo | with a space |
| 03:52.25 | mikeo | or just one |
| 03:52.30 | jim | put two lines in your /etc/resolv.conf and mimic the configuration of the nameserver statements in /etc/resolv.conf and put those two in |
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| 03:52.33 | jim | or two separate lines |
| 03:52.39 | rking | deadcat: the background image shows through for me by default. i wonder if that's a version thing? |
| 03:52.41 | TwistedEmotions | rking: is there a terminal command to pin it to botton layer? |
| 03:52.47 | jim | so "nameserver 66.179.168.118" and then "nameserver 66.179.12.115" |
| 03:52.55 | rking | TwistedEmotions: devilspie |
| 03:53.05 | jim | these two DNS servers are out of Austin, TX and Denver.. they are Inflow/Sungard DNS servers |
| 03:53.06 | deadcat | rking: oh. i ams till using an older version because fucking new version doesnt support artwiz fonts |
| 03:53.08 | mikeo | so just put "nameserver xx.xx.xx" on lines 2 and 3? |
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| 03:53.16 | Hatter | anybody else know how to stop discover probing all IDE channels on boot up ? |
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| 03:53.26 | mikeo | got it |
| 03:53.26 | rking | deadcat: and i don't get what you're saying re "disabling it in the tasklist" |
| 03:53.30 | jim | yeah... you can probably delete the one that is in there, but I'd probably make a backup of it because the host might just be down for now |
| 03:53.37 | jim | you had that one in there for a reason |
| 03:53.41 | deadcat | rking: ya. devils pie will do it but damn |
| 03:54.02 | mikeo | do i have to restart it then? |
| 03:54.03 | TwistedEmotions | rking deadcat : I fixed it... ! try it with just "torsmo -u -o" |
| 03:54.07 | rking | devilspie++ - just leave that flurb in at the top that prints all the windows out, and then run that when you want to do something new. |
| 03:54.13 | mikeo | cause still not pinging google |
| 03:54.14 | jim | mikeo: you might want to do a "nslookup www.debian.org 66.179.168.118" to make certain that it will let you do recursive lookups against it |
| 03:54.30 | TwistedEmotions | rking: deadcat it no longer glitches with root-tail ;) |
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| 03:54.46 | mikeo | nope doesnt let me |
| 03:54.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. but torsmo flickers like a bitch here. and the cpu is 100% (= |
| 03:54.51 | jim | Well crap |
| 03:54.52 | mikeo | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 03:54.53 | jim | hurm |
| 03:54.54 | rking | TwistedEmotions: do you not have a flicker? (you're not running with -b, is why i'm asking) |
| 03:55.03 | rking | TwistedEmotions: try replacing -u with -b |
| 03:55.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: rking was kidding. |
| 03:55.13 | mikeo | there isnt a site like www.dns.gov or something |
| 03:55.17 | mikeo | that i could put in |
| 03:55.20 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: rking: I was kidding ;) |
| 03:55.24 | deadcat | HAHAH dammit |
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| 03:55.32 | jim | Do you have a firewall that regulates traffic between your box and the Internet itself? |
| 03:55.34 | ke6isf | Anyone know a quick way to convert MP3 to CDDA? |
| 03:55.40 | mikeo | yea |
| 03:55.46 | mikeo | but port 80 is open |
| 03:55.53 | mikeo | and it doesnt regulate traffic |
| 03:55.55 | mikeo | just a generic router |
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| 03:56.02 | mikeo | has worked for the past 3 years |
| 03:56.05 | jim | Hurm try this |
| 03:56.08 | mfrisch | ke6isf mpg321 decodes to file... |
| 03:56.18 | mikeo | wondering if someone hacked it somehow to mess it up |
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| 03:56.55 | ke6isf | mfrisch: what package is that in? |
| 03:57.06 | mikeo | so any ideas? |
| 03:57.17 | stizoner | im having a real hard time finding a linux distro thats right for me, ive litterally tried 50 over the last few months, about 1/4th of them i couldnt get to install at all (mostly the lesser known distros) and the rest were either to complicated or 2 bloated..... most of my favorites were based on debian so i tried installing debian the base network install one..., i get to the part selecting what I want to install and i see expert but |
| 03:57.17 | stizoner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.20 | stizoner | will get all needed packages for Xfce but the basics i need for functionality of the os will be there, i can log right into it right? i simply just dont want the extra software |
| 03:57.20 | rking | deadcat: my strength is a little low tonight - do you think you could make -o work until your bug report is fulfilled? |
| 03:57.32 | Anders | wtf |
| 03:57.46 | mikeo | fast typer |
| 03:57.47 | mikeo | lol |
| 03:57.47 | ke6isf | ... |
| 03:57.52 | deadcat | rking: i am not a programmer/debugger (=. it doesnt flicker that bad on mine.. TwistedEmotions is the one thats fucked ( |
| 03:57.53 | Anders | either he lags |
| 03:57.55 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:57.57 | Anders | or else he copied the stuff |
| 03:57.57 | ke6isf | mfrisch: Never mind, apt-cache search is my friend. =^^= |
| 03:57.59 | Anders | and pasted |
| 03:58.04 | mfrisch | ke6isf mpg321 or mpg123 or |
| 03:58.11 | liable | stizoner: just install base system, then apt-get what you want.. |
| 03:58.14 | jim | mikeo: nslookup www.sun.com 192.18.43.12 |
| 03:58.23 | TwistedEmotions | rking: deadcat: it's not that bad on mine either... just flickers ugly. |
| 03:58.27 | rking | TwistedEmotions: does torsmo -ob work for you? |
| 03:58.34 | mikeo | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 03:58.43 | TwistedEmotions | rking: yeah... |
| 03:58.44 | ke6isf | stizoner: What are you trying to install? =O.o= |
| 03:58.45 | jim | OK, it sounds like your outbound DNS requests are being blocked. |
| 03:58.57 | TwistedEmotions | rking: but it's kinda ghetto. |
| 03:58.58 | mfrisch | ke6isf I think there are gui to burn mp3 as cds |
| 03:58.59 | mikeo | how |
| 03:59.00 | rking | TwistedEmotions: that doesn't flicker, does it? |
| 03:59.04 | jim | That was a direct request for resolution of www.sun.com against Sun's own DNS servers, which they are responsible for |
| 03:59.05 | TwistedEmotions | rking: no.. |
| 03:59.13 | rking | TwistedEmotions: yeah - that's why i'd file a bug report if i were you |
| 03:59.19 | stizoner | well debian, im on morphix right now trying 2 get it on my drive with no luck, cant put a swap on a seperate drive i guess |
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| 03:59.23 | mikeo | how would it be blocked? |
| 03:59.32 | ke6isf | mfrisch: You know what, I'll see if I can get k3b to do it. |
| 03:59.40 | ke6isf | stizoner: Yes, but which Debian? |
| 03:59.43 | jim | I was wanting to try to determine whether or not you were having recursion problems and determine whether or not you can resolve anything through the resolver.. Doesn't seem like it. |
| 03:59.57 | jim | Well the outgoing port may be blocked for 53/udp? |
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| 04:00.24 | stizoner | apt-get is all command, i gotta know exactly what i want right? and exactly what im doing, i just want to login to Xfce and there be no extra programs installed, except something like synaptic |
| 04:00.28 | mfrisch | I am having problems resolving streams |
| 04:00.43 | duncf | xdm was working fine for me, then I installed gdm and I can't log into an X session, ~/.xsession-errors says Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 04:00.44 | TwistedEmotions | rking: where? |
| 04:00.46 | stizoner | the base base one the 40mb one or whatever |
| 04:00.48 | jim | mfrisch: a general resolution problem or specific for something else? |
| 04:01.04 | jim | mikeo is having dns resolution issues |
| 04:01.34 | stizoner | no wait i tried both the 40mb and 180mb because i kept getting errors with the mirors |
| 04:01.36 | jim | mikeo: Your /etc/host.conf does state "order hosts,bind" right? |
| 04:01.38 | mfrisch | jim mplayer xmms no dice some work in vlc |
| 04:01.56 | liable | stizoner: when it gets to that part, install the base system, let the install finish, then apt-get install x-window-system xfce4 |
| 04:02.06 | jim | mfrisch: Hurm, different issue then... you can connect to your stream provider... I think they are two separate issues |
| 04:02.07 | mikeo | order hosts,bind |
| 04:02.07 | mikeo | multi on |
| 04:02.26 | mikeo | would someone have hacked something on it? |
| 04:02.30 | mikeo | to mess it up |
| 04:02.37 | jim | That means that your hosts file in "/etc/hosts" is checked when the resolver is attempting to look stuff up first and then it does DNS resolution via bind for everything else |
| 04:02.39 | rking | TwistedEmotions: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=108594&atid=650929 |
| 04:02.42 | jim | Umm no mikeo |
| 04:02.44 | jim | I doubt it |
| 04:02.52 | stizoner | then when i boot im not going 2 be stuck at a black screen wanting me 2 do commands after? i can just login Xfce? eh? /me is afraid of commands/consol |
| 04:02.54 | rking | TwistedEmotions: Oh, heh, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1107046&group_id=108594&atid=650929 |
| 04:02.56 | mikeo | cause i find it weird that it just stopped working |
| 04:02.58 | jim | IT isn't that it isn't possible, but don't jump to that conclusion just yet |
| 04:03.06 | mikeo | ok |
| 04:03.09 | jim | Is this box co-loed somewhere? |
| 04:03.13 | jim | Or is this your PC? |
| 04:03.15 | mikeo | its mine |
| 04:03.32 | jim | Do you pull a DHCP assigned address from your provider or is it static? |
| 04:03.33 | liable | stizoner: yes you will only have a console, but all you need to do is use apt-get, and you will get xfce.. |
| 04:03.38 | mikeo | static i think |
| 04:03.43 | mikeo | its 192.168.0.2 |
| 04:03.50 | stizoner | kewl |
| 04:03.51 | mikeo | and always has been |
| 04:03.58 | liable | !ig |
| 04:03.58 | mfrisch | jim just shoutcast,ogg streams from streamtuner. My laptop (installed the same a couple days before,) does not have this prob. |
| 04:03.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 04:04.03 | liable | stizoner: ^^ |
| 04:04.04 | TwistedEmotions | rking: added |
| 04:04.05 | jim | OK, so that means that you are NATed behind some device.. like a router, like what you were mentioning earlier. |
| 04:04.09 | jim | What kind of router is it? |
| 04:04.17 | mikeo | d-link |
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| 04:04.32 | giskard_osx | someone here uses sympa? |
| 04:04.53 | liable | stizoner: erm... if that was a joke, haha, but you want sarge.. |
| 04:04.53 | mikeo | would Deny Default *,* LAN,* *,* be messing anything up? |
| 04:04.59 | stizoner | yeah |
| 04:04.59 | stizoner | lol |
| 04:05.00 | rking | TwistedEmotions: oh, i bet you didn't look at that 2nd url before the 1st. ah well, it'll indicate to them that more than one person would like the feature. |
| 04:05.05 | jim | OK, now I am just speculating, and I don't have any issues with Dlink or the like, but you might want to reset the device (power cycle it) and see if it fixes the issue, you will probably want to power cycle both your cable modem and your Dlink box at the same time, but it might be that the Dlink box is having an issue. |
| 04:05.22 | jim | Dont do it now |
| 04:05.27 | jim | Because you'll loose connection |
| 04:05.27 | mikeo | well the internet works fine on this pc |
| 04:05.29 | mikeo | and my other one |
| 04:05.32 | jim | OK |
| 04:05.36 | jim | that's cool |
| 04:05.36 | mikeo | so its not that |
| 04:05.46 | mikeo | and i can view the site on http://192.168.0.2 |
| 04:05.48 | mombof | what is a good ULTRA-light command line mp3 player? |
| 04:06.03 | nvz | mombof: madplay, mpg321 |
| 04:06.03 | jim | when you do an ipconfig /all on your PC there that you are typing on.... what does it say your DNS servers are? |
| 04:06.13 | mfrisch | mombof mpg321 |
| 04:06.31 | mombof | thx nvz mfrisch |
| 04:06.36 | nvz | mombof: you do mean command-line and not just text bases i.e. curses right? |
| 04:06.59 | mikeo | DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : hsd1.il.comcast.net. |
| 04:07.03 | liable | whats a curses one? |
| 04:07.09 | nvz | I like cplay |
| 04:07.12 | nvz | there are others |
| 04:07.14 | mombof | correct well this will be runningon a headless mips |
| 04:07.22 | mfrisch | mp3blaster |
| 04:07.24 | jim | OK, well what I am curious of is when you do that ipconfig /all it sound have a series of "DNS servers" listed. |
| 04:07.26 | mombof | ncurses is cool too |
| 04:07.44 | nvz | I've had machines with only like 8-16mb memory that would do alright with just mpg321 but couldnt play without skipping if you used a frontend like cplay |
| 04:07.47 | jim | Those DNS servers are probably what you need to use on your Debian box as it is on your Windows box |
| 04:07.50 | mikeo | DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : hsd1.il.comcast.net. |
| 04:07.57 | mikeo | ok |
| 04:08.04 | mombof | cool thax nvz |
| 04:08.07 | mikeo | DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 |
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| 04:08.18 | mikeo | DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 |
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| 04:08.31 | mombof | see if i can get my live5.1 to work in a qube2 |
| 04:08.34 | XseeFee | hello everyone |
| 04:08.40 | jim | OK, so the router itself is acting as a stand-in device for DNS |
| 04:08.47 | mikeo | guess so |
| 04:08.51 | mombof | sarge has the modules already for me, woody didnt |
| 04:08.53 | jim | on your desktop there do what we did on the linux side |
| 04:08.54 | jim | so... |
| 04:09.00 | mikeo | so should i put 192.168.0.1 into the file |
| 04:09.03 | jim | nslookup www.google.com 192.168.0.1 |
| 04:09.05 | jim | right |
| 04:09.13 | XseeFee | anyone have sometime to help me out with a setting? |
| 04:09.17 | jim | let's make certain this works on the windows side then we can transfer it to the linux side |
| 04:09.26 | liable | XseeFee: just ask.. |
| 04:09.27 | nvz | XseeFee: just ask a specific question |
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| 04:09.43 | mikeo | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 04:10.09 | XseeFee | my resolution is to big i would like to make it 1024 768 but not sure how |
| 04:10.19 | liable | mikeo: out of interest, what does the output of route give? |
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| 04:10.27 | mikeo | what do you mean? |
| 04:10.34 | nvz | XseeFee: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:10.34 | liable | the command. |
| 04:10.38 | jim | mikeo: Hang tight.... Do a "nslookup www.google.com" on your windows box |
| 04:10.46 | nvz | XseeFee: take out the resolutions that are too high for you |
| 04:10.54 | jim | in the top part of that response it will tell you what the DNS server you talked to was |
| 04:11.13 | mikeo | works fine on the windows box |
| 04:11.21 | mikeo | Kernel IP routing table |
| 04:11.21 | mikeo | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 04:11.21 | mikeo | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 04:11.21 | mikeo | default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 04:11.23 | jim | no but liable has a good point |
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| 04:11.37 | mikeo | hmmm too many lines i guess |
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| 04:11.44 | jim | so much for that |
| 04:11.46 | litage | mikeo: use a paste bin |
| 04:11.55 | mikeo | ? |
| 04:12.00 | XseeFee | nvz says command not found |
| 04:12.03 | liable | thats fine.. |
| 04:12.07 | jim | mikeo: when you do an "nslookup www.google.com" on your Windows box |
| 04:12.10 | jim | what does it say |
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| 04:12.11 | nvz | XseeFee: you must be root to reconfigure the server |
| 04:12.14 | jim | that first bit before the response |
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| 04:12.29 | mikeo | *** Can't find server name for address 192.168.0.1: Non-existent domain |
| 04:12.29 | mikeo | *** Default servers are not available |
| 04:12.42 | jim | that's on the windows box? |
| 04:12.46 | mikeo | Server: UnKnown |
| 04:12.46 | mikeo | Address: 192.168.0.1 |
| 04:12.48 | mikeo | yea |
| 04:13.05 | mikeo | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 04:13.05 | mikeo | Name: www.l.google.com |
| 04:13.12 | jim | but you can still resolv things on the windows side... like to go "www.cnn.com" or whatever? |
| 04:13.18 | mikeo | Addresses: 66.102.7.104, 66.102.7.147, 66.102.7.99 |
| 04:13.18 | mikeo | Aliases: www.google.com |
| 04:13.19 | mikeo | yea |
| 04:13.21 | nvz | XseeFee: you can probably just change the resolution another way but I am not sure how in your case.. maybe what I suggested earlier.. asking a more specific question. ask the channel again. this time say how do I change resolution in _____ filling in the blank with the Desktop system you use or whatever |
| 04:13.47 | jim | OK, let's go ahead and make 192.168.0.1 your nameserver on the linux side... erase the other nameserver entries and do "nameserver 192.168.0.1" |
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| 04:14.11 | mikeo | but nslookup didnt work |
| 04:14.15 | mikeo | with that address |
| 04:14.44 | jim | No, what it means is it wasn't able to do a reverse on the IP address that's what it was baulking at on the windows side, but it still seems that the 192.168.0.1 addr is doing something |
| 04:14.48 | jim | so, let's give it a go |
| 04:14.55 | jim | Also can you ping 192.168.0.1 from your linux box |
| 04:15.02 | jim | seems like you should based on the route output |
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| 04:15.15 | mikeo | can pingg it |
| 04:15.18 | jim | good |
| 04:15.24 | jim | did you make the change to your resolv.conf? |
| 04:15.29 | mikeo | yea |
| 04:15.35 | litage | if syslog is configured to send messages to a bogus ip address so that a hidden log server (has no ip address) can sniff the log messages, because of the nature of a switch, will the log messages be seen by the log server? |
| 04:15.37 | jim | So it should be 2 lines with the 192.168.0.1 as your dns server, right? |
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| 04:15.59 | mikeo | it is |
| 04:16.03 | jim | still no dice? |
| 04:16.11 | mikeo | nope |
| 04:16.19 | mfrisch | how do add prog to gnome startup manually? |
| 04:16.27 | jim | the ip on your linux box is? |
| 04:16.32 | jim | 192.168.0.? |
| 04:16.35 | mikeo | .2 |
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| 04:16.45 | mikeo | ping: unknown host www.google.com |
| 04:17.14 | Galaga | !list |
| 04:17.14 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 04:17.17 | Galaga | foozah! |
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| 04:17.21 | Unified | hi |
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| 04:17.31 | Unified | how can i see all open connections on my debian box? |
| 04:17.32 | mikeo | any ideas? |
| 04:17.38 | SerajewelKS | Unified, netstat -tnp |
| 04:17.49 | Supaplex | litage: you'll have to rephrase that. if the sniffer can see it, you can recover the lots that way. otherwise you may need some tricky firewall rules to divert those locally (but i think that requires the routing to be directed at the box, regardless of the final destination) |
| 04:17.58 | Supaplex | lots/logs/ |
| 04:18.00 | liable | mikeo: ping 69.93.107.106 |
| 04:18.07 | Unified | muchas gracias :) |
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| 04:18.35 | mikeo | --- 69.93.107.106 ping statistics --- |
| 04:18.35 | mikeo | 19 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 04:18.38 | mikeo | lol |
| 04:18.40 | jim | mikeo: On your linux box can you do: lynx http://147.26.10.11 |
| 04:18.41 | mikeo | this sucks |
| 04:18.47 | jim | OK, reboot your linux box |
| 04:18.50 | jim | something is amiss |
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| 04:19.02 | mikeo | cant connect to that in lynx either |
| 04:19.03 | Supaplex | reboot? what's that? |
| 04:19.09 | mikeo | rebooting |
| 04:19.11 | liable | mikeo: ok, so you cant get out of the network.. look at the router config.. |
| 04:19.15 | jim | you have no external connectivity on it off the LAN .. it has to be something with your firewall/router or the box itself |
| 04:19.26 | jim | the reason I say it is not hte box is that you can locally talk to it |
| 04:19.32 | _Xerox_ | hey guys |
| 04:19.33 | liable | reboot the router too |
| 04:19.34 | mikeo | yea |
| 04:19.39 | jim | from your windows PC.. so the firewall seems to be causing some issue |
| 04:19.39 | mikeo | will do and be back in a serc |
| 04:19.40 | Supaplex | reboot the internet! |
| 04:20.07 | jim | I hate it when the internet needs rebooting |
| 04:20.17 | mikeo | one quick question... |
| 04:20.19 | mikeo | did al gore really invent the internet? |
| 04:20.26 | litage | Supaplex: may i /msg you? |
| 04:20.27 | mfrisch | internet1.0 keeps hanging |
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| 04:20.38 | jim | He was part of a committee that was partially responsible to oversee its creation |
| 04:20.46 | jim | but it was a DoD thing |
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| 04:20.52 | mikeo | i c |
| 04:21.10 | _Xerox_ | i had Sarge running on my old pc for awhile with an old 15' monitor that only supported 640x480, but i got a newer 17 and i can still only get 640x480 |
| 04:21.12 | jim | go reboot we anxiously await your return |
| 04:21.20 | mikeo | hmmm my router doesnt have a reboot button |
| 04:21.24 | bullweivel | i have about 10 log files... all similar name... example: mail.log.1 how can i easily combine them into one log file?? |
| 04:21.30 | jim | its called the power plug |
| 04:21.33 | jim | :-) |
| 04:21.35 | mikeo | lol |
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| 04:22.25 | scarynetworkguy | jim: In 1969 he was 21 and in college. Please stop spreading bullshit. |
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| 04:22.41 | michaelol | hmmm |
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| 04:23.23 | mfrisch | scarynetworkguy and Gore has a tv network now |
| 04:23.28 | rking | scarynetworkguy: that's awesome that he invented the internet when he was only 21 |
| 04:23.43 | michaelol | its booting |
| 04:23.45 | michaelol | but slow |
| 04:23.51 | michaelol | only 733mhz with 64mb of ram |
| 04:23.54 | xkuseme | anybody know where to edit which displaymanager i want to use? |
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| 04:24.15 | peterS | xkuseme: there's very little point in installing more than one |
| 04:24.21 | peterS | xkuseme: so just install the one you want and remove the others |
| 04:24.36 | _Xerox_ | anyone know how i can get a higher res. than 640x480? |
| 04:24.39 | peterS | xkuseme: but if you must have multiple ones installed, you can 'dpkg-reconfigure xdm' I think, and it'll ask you about that |
| 04:24.41 | Bac9 | what's a good backup server/client app that can do disk backups, hardlinking anything that's unchaged, and doesn't require client to log in to server as root but preserves gid/uid? |
| 04:24.55 | xkuseme | peterS: i installed entrance but how do make it work |
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| 04:25.24 | mfrisch | _Xerox_ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:25.27 | michaelol | yey it works |
| 04:25.29 | peterS | xkuseme: 'apt-cache show' has never heard of entrance. as such, I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 04:25.44 | _Xerox_ | mfrisch: it was a fresh install with the new monitor |
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| 04:26.11 | mfrisch | _Xerox_ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:26.28 | xkuseme | peterS: i installed from cvs there is not package yet |
| 04:26.44 | peterS | xkuseme: then read the README that comes with it, I guess |
| 04:26.48 | xebian | why does my DVD burner burn DVD but will not burn CDs with cdrecord? |
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| 04:26.56 | michaelol | while thanks for the help |
| 04:27.00 | mythtv_ | hey guys, ive installed apache2 and I want to have the default directory for the server be /var/www but it always opens the apache2-default directory and I can't find where I can change this in the config files. Where am I meant to be lookign? |
| 04:27.13 | michaelol | i had that same problem |
| 04:27.13 | jim | scarynetworkguy: No, it is not that Gore invented the internet. Obviously he was not responsible for ARPAnet and the subsequent advancements that brought around the modern internet. If you actually listen to the quote that Bush harped on, in context from an interview with Wolf Blitzer in 1999, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating hte Internet" His big accomplishment was through the "High Perfo |
| 04:27.13 | jim | rmance Computing Act" which allowed the Internet to grow into what it is today. |
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| 04:27.22 | entheon | what is a good modeless CLI editor with syntax highlighting? as in something that is not vim or emacs... i've got some newbie underlings and i wanna start them off easy... i'll force them into a real editor soon enough |
| 04:27.23 | michaelol | took me like 2 hours to fix it |
| 04:27.28 | michaelol | went through like 20 config files lol |
| 04:27.30 | peterS | xkuseme: your question is pretty specific to something that isn't in debian, so I'm guessing nobody here will know the answer |
| 04:27.32 | mfrisch | mythtv_ sites-enabled on /etc/apache2/ |
| 04:27.46 | michaelol | the sad part was no one knew the answer |
| 04:27.48 | mythtv_ | mfrisch: ok |
| 04:28.25 | xebian | why does my DVD burner burn DVDs with growisofs but will not burn CDs with cdrecord? |
| 04:28.31 | michaelol | so gore did invent the internet |
| 04:28.43 | michaelol | :D |
| 04:28.44 | jim | michaelol: No.. Heh.. I wouldn't say that |
| 04:28.47 | jim | bastage |
| 04:28.49 | jim | :-) |
| 04:28.51 | michaelol | while who did then? |
| 04:29.11 | jetx | xkuseme: man update-alternatives, if nobody told you |
| 04:29.13 | xkuseme | peterS: yes, but if i know where i specify what my default displaymanger is the i can use any i want |
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| 04:29.35 | xebian | michaelol: Richard Stallman |
| 04:30.09 | mythtv_ | lol |
| 04:30.10 | michaelol | emacs boy did not invent the internet :p |
| 04:30.12 | mrgoby | hi all... need some help, just got a machine h@x0red and i need to verify the integrity of some of my other machines... |
| 04:30.14 | jetx | xkuseme: also, it's controlled by /etc/X11/default-display-manager.. ah forget the update-alternatives, it's dpkg-reconfigure ?dm |
| 04:30.25 | michaelol | lol he looks like jesus |
| 04:30.37 | peterS | xkuseme: it's not quite that simple. in Debian, display managers decide who gets to run on which TTY by use of a standard called Pax Displayicus Managerius. (this is a very google-friendly term, nobody else seems to have ever used it) |
| 04:30.39 | michaelol | http://images.google.com/images?q=Richard+Stallman&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=ii&oi=imagest |
| 04:30.40 | mrgoby | i have one such box mounted under knoppix now |
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| 04:30.54 | micklweiss | hi everyone |
| 04:31.07 | mrgoby | and i wanted to somehow pull fresh md5sums for all the packages i had installed on the box |
| 04:31.09 | xebian | michaelol: not emacsboy GNUboy |
| 04:31.18 | mrgoby | so i can run debsums and verify them |
| 04:31.19 | bullweivel | how can i combine several files into one file???? will be using vim to read them...but wanted to combine them using something else (I thought cat filenames.* > newfilename would do it...guess not) |
| 04:31.20 | peterS | xkuseme: each display manager is started by its own init script in /etc/init.d/ with links to /etc/rc2.d/ and friends. the init script uses Pax Displayicus Managerius to decide whether to run the display manager, and if so, on what terminals |
| 04:31.22 | mythtv_ | ok I got rid of any reference to "apache2-default" in that sites enabled directory, but it still wants to go there |
| 04:31.23 | micklweiss | i'm just wondering, what is recommended: "harden" or "bastille" for automated hardening |
| 04:31.44 | xkuseme | peterS: i have an init script for it |
| 04:31.46 | mfrisch | bullweivel >> appends file |
| 04:31.52 | mrgoby | does anyone know how to either run debsums against an online repository of sums, or to download sums for a non-rooted environment ? |
| 04:32.03 | xebian | why does my DVD burner burn DVDs with growisofs but will not burn CDs with cdrecord? |
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| 04:32.17 | jetx | xkuseme: alias ysgdm='sudo cp /etc/X11/default-display-manager.gdm /etc/X11/default-display-manager && echo done' <---very handy for switching, just have copies of the ones for each |
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| 04:32.28 | peterS | xkuseme: simple solution, just uninstall your other display managers and tell your own init script to start up your DM unconditionally, on some hard-wired tty |
| 04:32.33 | ChrisBradley | Hey thanks for all your help guys |
| 04:32.33 | mrgoby | i know how to point debsums at another root, which is a nice feature, but i can't trust the integrity of the sums i have on that filesystem |
| 04:32.49 | ChrisBradley | I just got debian working with 1024x768 |
| 04:32.59 | jetx | xebian: do you also have a cd drive? it may follow the symlink /dev/cdrom |
| 04:33.23 | ChrisBradley | Going over to #wikipedia |
| 04:33.25 | jim | michaelol: Obviously the question of "who created it" is a bit nebulous, with many people contributing to its intital inception, but based on just browsing around real quick looks like Vincent Cerf, Robert Kahn, and Danny Cohen all contributed to the Internet in their own ways... from ARPANet to advancements in TCP/IP networking and the like. |
| 04:34.38 | xebian | jetx: I have an additional DVD drive Ive tried all kinds of things from appending hdc=scsi to the kernel line in grub/menu.lst and adding ignore-hdc and ide-scsi to /etc/modules but I can only do one or the other DVDs or CDs |
| 04:34.56 | peterS | jim: didn't postel write RFC 791? |
| 04:34.58 | jim | Liable, where did our boy mikeo go... He's still not back. I bet his provider might be having issues. |
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| 04:35.21 | xebian | jetx: basic non-screwedwith debian install can do growisofs |
| 04:35.21 | liable | jim: dunno, was wondering myself.. :) |
| 04:35.30 | jetx | xebian: mine works. all i know. |
| 04:35.41 | Supaplex | xebian: reloading from modules aka ide-cd ide-scsi may be less problematic. however, hdc=scsi isn't valid, you'll either need hdc=ide-cd or hdc=ide-scsi |
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| 04:36.23 | jetx | xebian: this is a 2.4 kernel, or an scsi burner, or both? |
| 04:36.24 | xebian | supaplex: it was probably what you had mentioned that I entered I copied it off of the developerworks site and still had problems. |
| 04:36.25 | Supaplex | xebian: humm not sure about the previous comment a few minutes ago though. |
| 04:36.30 | SerajewelKS | dadadodo is interesting... |
| 04:36.58 | nvz | ddd what? |
| 04:37.00 | jim | Heh.. I knew I should have kept my mouth shut... I am not saying he didn't... Heh.. so many people contributed to it I would feel awful not to reference everyone who contributed to it. Could you imagine trying to list everyone who is responsible for the Internet where it is today? Geez, that would be hard. I will just say that there were a bazillion people and I only meant to retort scarynetworkguy's comment. |
| 04:37.04 | xebian | jetx: 2.4.27kernel atapi burners |
| 04:37.10 | SerajewelKS | !info dadadodo etch |
| 04:37.12 | dpkg | dadadodo: (Exterminates all rational thought), section text, is optional. Version: 1.04-3 (etch), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 04:37.18 | xebian | jetx: ide |
| 04:37.21 | liable | heh |
| 04:37.26 | xebian | jetx: sg is loaded |
| 04:37.33 | jetx | xebian: i guess you have the ... yeah |
| 04:37.38 | nvz | what? |
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| 04:37.45 | zmeio | hello |
| 04:37.46 | x-Al1gma | hello zmeio |
| 04:37.54 | zmeio | i have one question |
| 04:37.54 | nvz | a program that "exterminates all rational thought" ? |
| 04:37.59 | liable | x-Al1gma: what are you |
| 04:38.06 | peterS | jim: ah, heh. yeah, hard to say what really caused the invention of the internet. but the "Internet Protocol" spec (rfc 791) seems pretty important to me (: not to mention postel's long-running job as RFC Editor, that was kind of useful too (: |
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| 04:38.14 | ke6isf | How do I determine a filesystem type on a USB device? |
| 04:38.21 | jetx | file ? |
| 04:38.25 | jetx | !info file |
| 04:38.27 | dpkg | file: (Determines file type using "magic" numbers), section utils, is standard. Version: 4.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 04:38.28 | zmeio | probably is vfat |
| 04:38.36 | jetx | ^^ |
| 04:38.37 | zmeio | my sony camera have vfat file system |
| 04:38.44 | zmeio | -t vfat |
| 04:38.46 | peterS | ke6isf: first determine what partitions you have on it, if any. 'cat /proc/partitions' will tell. |
| 04:38.50 | jetx | -t auto |
| 04:38.52 | liable | hello |
| 04:38.53 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
| 04:38.55 | ke6isf | zmeio: Gags on that. |
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| 04:38.59 | liable | bot.. |
| 04:39.13 | jetx | hello |
| 04:39.13 | x-Al1gma | hello jetx |
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| 04:39.23 | peterS | ke6isf: some USB drives are not partitioned at all, from the factory. most are. most use partition 1 only, some have 2 partitions, old ZIP disks had one partition but it was number 4 |
| 04:39.25 | Unified | zmeio it could be a ptp camera too |
| 04:39.29 | ke6isf | peterS: It was partitions. Thanks for the pointer. |
| 04:39.30 | Unified | in this case you can't mount it |
| 04:39.48 | jetx | ptp? |
| 04:39.56 | zmeio | i have one idea |
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| 04:40.10 | jetx | bye |
| 04:40.13 | Supaplex | !idea |
| 04:40.13 | dpkg | hmm... idea is meaning you don't know. |
| 04:40.16 | jetx | goodbye |
| 04:40.17 | zmeio | open USB device in cfdisk |
| 04:40.33 | peterS | zmeio: 'cat /proc/partitions' is ever so much easier |
| 04:40.40 | zmeio | yes |
| 04:40.43 | jetx | x-Al1gma help |
| 04:40.46 | liable | x-Al1gma: who owns you? |
| 04:40.50 | zmeio | this is good idea |
| 04:41.00 | liable | meh, not that dumb.. |
| 04:41.17 | jim | peterS: You are right. That is a huge oversight in my list. |
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| 04:42.15 | happy_broccoli__ | are any kernel patches required to connect through a pptp server |
| 04:42.32 | zmeio | poptop.org |
| 04:43.26 | zmeio | see http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=44827 |
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| 04:49.05 | jetx | i b0rked teh intarweb |
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| 04:51.49 | nvz | is there some simple way in X to make a macro thing where I can just assign many keystrokes to another key? like if I want Mod1+E to enclose the current selection in brackets or something :P |
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| 04:53.37 | nvz | heh just crashed gqview again |
| 04:53.44 | nvz | 2nd time I've managed to do that |
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| 04:55.46 | x-Al1gma | liable I own me |
| 04:55.52 | worldgnat | I have some programming questions.... |
| 04:55.55 | worldgnat | help..... |
| 04:56.06 | nvz | help what? help you ask them? |
| 04:56.08 | x-Al1gma | jetx not sure what kind of help you want |
| 04:56.08 | nvz | ffs |
| 04:56.26 | worldgnat | I want to port a windows app but I'm a newb |
| 04:56.36 | worldgnat | I want to know what language I need to learn |
| 04:56.40 | gravity | worldgnat: This probably isn't the right forum for that... |
| 04:56.42 | jetx | x-Al1gma: help with the bot commands |
| 04:56.45 | jetx | hello |
| 04:56.45 | x-Al1gma | hello jetx |
| 04:56.49 | jetx | hello |
| 04:56.49 | x-Al1gma | hello jetx |
| 04:56.51 | worldgnat | oh, sorry |
| 04:56.51 | gravity | worldgnat: Uh... are you porting it or re-writing it? |
| 04:56.54 | x-Al1gma | jetx quit it |
| 04:57.00 | worldgnat | port ing it |
| 04:57.02 | x-Al1gma | jetx the only command is hello |
| 04:57.13 | jetx | x-Al1gma: the idea is to turn that off |
| 04:57.20 | jetx | por favor |
| 04:57.32 | JViz | is using dselect the only way to tell if packages are in conflict and/or clean unneeded packages? |
| 04:57.42 | x-Al1gma | jetx just stop saying hello and pming me |
| 04:57.45 | x-Al1gma | easy |
| 04:57.47 | jetx | no, but it's best |
| 04:57.54 | nvz | I would like to know if someone could help me binding one of these unmapped keys on my keyboard to functions in my wm like buttons to switch workspaces..etc I can catch the keys with xbindkeys but I cannot figure out how that helps. I need some way of my wm binding that keystroke.. if I could make that key send a different keystroke that my wm can catch maybe.. but I dont know how |
| 04:57.56 | jetx | dselect internals are more intelligent |
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| 04:58.23 | jetx | x-Al1gma: wouldn't have pm'd you if i wasn't trying to figure out your bot commands :) |
| 04:58.29 | rking | is there an easy way to make a signature that includes a graphic for graphical clients but doesn't look like foo in mutt (which is what i use)? |
| 04:58.30 | x-Al1gma | well now you know them |
| 04:58.37 | jetx | hello |
| 04:58.38 | x-Al1gma | hello jetx |
| 04:58.39 | nvz | xbindkeys documentation I've read only shows how to assign commands to them. and I havent figured out a command that sends a keystroke :P |
| 04:58.39 | worldgnat | oh, nvz, if you're using kde open up good old khotkeys and that'll take it from there |
| 04:58.55 | nvz | worldgnat: I am most certainly not using kde |
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| 04:59.03 | jetx | itz teh energizer hellobunny! |
| 04:59.04 | worldgnat | :( |
| 04:59.05 | liable | jetx: hehe |
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| 04:59.39 | worldgnat | ok, so anyone, what's the right channel for app porting? |
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| 05:00.13 | jetx | JViz: there is always 'aptitude' or synaptic |
| 05:00.21 | gravity | worldgnat: If you're just porting it from windows, you may want to try #winehq... |
| 05:00.29 | worldgnat | ok |
| 05:00.33 | worldgnat | thanks gravity |
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| 05:01.15 | nvz | it would be nice if xbindkeys could even just bind the mm keys to a specified keystroke but I cant figure out any way of doing that even running a command |
| 05:01.30 | FinnTux | nfs-user-server and nfs-kernel-server, which one is more reliable? |
| 05:01.49 | liable | nvz: xev, xmodmap and xbindkeys? |
| 05:02.58 | nvz | liable: I tried using xbindkeys. its the only thing that catches them, but I cannot figure out a command that will generate a keystroke I want. xbindkeys only lets you assign commands to run when the keypress or release is raised |
| 05:03.13 | liable | nvz: xmodmap |
| 05:03.32 | nvz | liable: can I map those kind of keys that way? |
| 05:03.39 | buu | Hrm. What magic do I need to make a fairly standard debian box act as a gateway dealy for a windows box? |
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| 05:04.11 | nvz | #accounting is like a morgue |
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| 05:04.37 | nvz | that channel has been around for what like 6 months now? |
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| 05:06.05 | jetx | FinnTux: i 'think' you get more 'features' using the userspace one |
| 05:06.13 | buu | Do I just need to set up iptables to forward requests appropiately? |
| 05:06.17 | jetx | but afaik they both function |
| 05:06.17 | buu | Or some sort of nat rule |
| 05:07.01 | liable | nvz: oh, so you dont know the actuall command to use, to change the workspace? |
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| 05:07.31 | jetx | ctrl alt number? |
| 05:07.34 | mrgoby | is there a way to grab fresh md5s for all your packages ? |
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| 05:08.07 | rking | inkscape is truly beautiful. |
| 05:08.17 | rking | it actually beats CorelDRAW, i think. |
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| 05:08.18 | nvz | liable: well sawfish-client would probably do it.. my wm is really outdated (even though debian has like the latest cvs code) and I dont know enough about it other than I like it |
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| 05:08.41 | liable | ok. |
| 05:08.47 | FinnTux | jetx, but what about reliability? :) |
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| 05:09.21 | nvz | liable: if I can bind the multimedia key to a normal Ctrl+A type keystroke I can then bind that keystroke in the configurator serving the purpose of making a complext 3+ key keystroke into a 1 key |
| 05:09.25 | FinnTux | I'm building a diskless box (root on nfs) and I wanna have it as reliable as possible |
| 05:09.28 | port80 | anybody know the status of open-xchange package? I'm having trouble installing it, so I thought I might resort ot a package, but I cannot find one. |
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| 05:09.58 | nvz | liable: most all 1 key strokes on the keyboard aside from the "Menu" button have significance to other programs and should not be bound to wm functions |
| 05:10.15 | nvz | I've already got menu with all modifiers mapped :P |
| 05:10.16 | liable | nvz: oh, yeah, then xmodmap. bind the keycode to something like F20, then bind F20 to the command.. |
| 05:10.45 | nvz | liable: xmodmap can do any key? even these ones that arent standard keys that xev doesnt see? |
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| 05:10.48 | rking | nvz: i think you could do that with xmodmap. xev might come in handy to find out what is what. see the "hotkeys" package for something that toys with the extra buttons (although i don't think it's what you want here) |
| 05:10.59 | liable | nvz: oh, xev doesnt see it? |
| 05:11.03 | rking | nvz: hotkeys somehow gets it. |
| 05:11.04 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:11.10 | nvz | hotkeys doesnt work |
| 05:11.32 | jetx | FinnTux: i'm no expert on it, but like i said, afaik they both work |
| 05:11.33 | nvz | there are newer keyboards that use two byte codes or something different and hotkeys or xev doesnt work with them |
| 05:11.41 | nvz | xbindkeys reads the whole thing |
| 05:11.44 | liable | nvz: do you know the keycode though? |
| 05:11.49 | jetx | FinnTux: check the bts maybe |
| 05:12.00 | FinnTux | jetx, ok, thanks |
| 05:12.15 | nvz | xbindkeys --key will give me the code if xmodmap accepts these two part codes not just the single number codes like hotkeys |
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| 05:13.03 | liable | ahh, now i'm with you, I dunno if it can actually.. |
| 05:13.23 | nvz | hotkeys just wants a single number. xbindkeys takes two |
| 05:13.39 | nvz | but xbindkeys unlike xmodmap seems to only allow binding to a shell command |
| 05:13.56 | nvz | I cant figure out how to make a shell command that throws a keystroke at X |
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| 05:14.12 | gravity | Try xautomation? |
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| 05:14.31 | nvz | or find people who know about sawfish or lisp enough to tell me how to invoke the sawfish-client to do what I want through xbindkeys |
| 05:14.55 | rking | nvz: what's the highest-level description of what you're trying to do? |
| 05:14.59 | nvz | cause I am pretty sure this is what the developers intended sawfish-client to be used for.. these sorts of things |
| 05:15.30 | nvz | I wand these 18 extra keys on my keyboard to do what is actually useful to me.. like switching windows, workspaces and stuff with a single keypress |
| 05:15.47 | nvz | stuff I cant do with my 104 other keys that have specific purposes upon keystroke |
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| 05:16.17 | port80 | nvz, god gave us two hands |
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| 05:16.38 | liable | he also gave us special keys.. |
| 05:16.50 | jetx | 20 digits |
| 05:16.50 | rking | nvz: that sounds useful - i guess i'm content with my keybindings as they are right now... i don't know if there's much i can't do, even without my extra keys being mapped to good stuff (i do use hotkeys, but just for xmms, etc) |
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| 05:17.12 | rking | jetx: practically 19 in this case, though... who hits space with their nondominant hand? |
| 05:17.34 | nvz | port80: yeah but I have very many things I bind. and right now the most easy unused workspace switching keys I have bound to Win+Left Win+Right take too long I have to let go of the mouse and when I am trying to read and do at the same time without two heads its just slow |
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| 05:17.55 | rking | nvz: alt+Fx for that |
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| 05:18.04 | nvz | I could'nt even care about controlling music and volume with those buttons |
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| 05:18.55 | port80 | nvz, you use a mouse? |
| 05:19.00 | port80 | mouse != fast |
| 05:19.04 | liable | they should make desktop keyboards with trackpoints, I love my thinkpad trackpoint.. |
| 05:19.12 | jetx | i have eq.opp. hands. |
| 05:19.14 | nvz | I have 18 unmapped keys. 4 in a vertical row on the left side, same on the right, then a row on top Prev, Next, Stop, Play, Mute, Vol+, Vol -, then 3 others below |
| 05:19.20 | port80 | liable, they do, but not suitable for normal desktop use |
| 05:19.30 | jetx | my grandmother forced me right handed |
| 05:19.31 | bucky | nvz did you include the Option "XkbOptions" "altwin:meta_win" in XF86Config-4 ? |
| 05:19.36 | nvz | all but the ones I mentioned I filed the markings off the keys with a nailfile they are smooth :P |
| 05:19.42 | xerophyte | does anybody know any project management software linux |
| 05:19.44 | nvz | I thought the suggested uses were stupid |
| 05:19.57 | gravity | xerophyte: planner? |
| 05:19.57 | port80 | xerophyte, there's heaps of php based stuff |
| 05:19.59 | jetx | xerophyte: look on sourceforge dude, sheesh |
| 05:20.19 | port80 | xerophyte, what exactly do you need? |
| 05:20.27 | nvz | the keys on one side were "supposed" to be copy, cut, paste..etc which linux does with the stroke of a mouse anyhow without the keyboard |
| 05:20.27 | xerophyte | for web application php or python is good jsut wondering ? |
| 05:20.30 | rking | xerophyte: wiki |
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| 05:20.45 | nvz | bucky: nope never heard of it |
| 05:20.58 | nvz | bucky: wtf does that mean? |
| 05:21.28 | bucky | it's an option when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:21.36 | nvz | really? |
| 05:21.39 | nvz | whats it do? |
| 05:21.45 | port80 | xerophyte, http://freshmeat.net/projects/metisproject/ for example |
| 05:21.54 | bucky | enables the win keys |
| 05:22.04 | nvz | my windows keys work fine |
| 05:22.05 | xerophyte | thx all let me see |
| 05:22.08 | jetx | mine 'just work' |
| 05:22.17 | liable | TM |
| 05:22.27 | nvz | I've got no problem with my window, list, menu keys |
| 05:22.31 | jetx | yeah yeah but it's MY tm |
| 05:22.37 | nvz | those I can catch natively in sawfish-ui |
| 05:22.40 | jetx | (TM) |
| 05:22.43 | nvz | I want to catch the other keys |
| 05:22.49 | bucky | ic |
| 05:23.07 | port80 | xerophyte, do you have any suggestions for my question on the other channel? |
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| 05:23.11 | jetx | have you tried that thing that generates the scancodes when you press the keys ? |
| 05:23.21 | jetx | (how's that for specific) |
| 05:23.30 | port80 | jetx, scancodes? I think... |
| 05:23.37 | bucky | haha.. what's it called? |
| 05:23.39 | liable | xev.. ?? |
| 05:23.53 | jetx | !beat shit outta me |
| 05:24.06 | xerophyte | port80, what is the quesiton |
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| 05:24.39 | port80 | I'm having trouble installing open-xchange using the how-to's, I would like to trial it in the office |
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| 05:25.11 | nvz | excuse me, I've been engaging in disinformation |
| 05:25.18 | jetx | you bastid! |
| 05:25.26 | port80 | I cannot find a package install for the non-commercial version |
| 05:25.30 | nvz | all my keys except 3 of the ones on the left are picked up by xev with standard keycodes |
| 05:25.41 | nvz | and those 3 dont seem to work with xbindkeys -k either |
| 05:26.00 | nvz | sucks cause those were the ones I needed the most |
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| 05:27.02 | ice_1963 | were can i find non-free to add to my /etc/apt/sources list ???????? |
| 05:27.10 | nvz | those were probably the keys which formally held the Copy, Cut, Paste markings |
| 05:27.23 | jetx | in /etc/apt/sources.list, ice_1963 |
| 05:27.30 | jetx | :p |
| 05:27.31 | nvz | though they dont seem to send any keystroke |
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| 05:27.47 | swim | hey folks, problem setting up my soundcard, ran alsaconf, it seemed to find viablah just fine, but then when it tries to save it returns: /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... suggestions? |
| 05:27.50 | jetx | just make it read main contrib non-free , ice_1963 |
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| 05:27.58 | port80 | nvz, in windows did you need to load special software for those keys to run? |
| 05:28.09 | jetx | add contrib non-free, then do apt-get update |
| 05:28.09 | nvz | haha |
| 05:28.13 | nvz | thats funny |
| 05:28.35 | port80 | I take it you have only used the keyboard in linux :) |
| 05:28.43 | nvz | port80: this keyboard? |
| 05:28.50 | jetx | i have a rocket ship on one of my extra keys, if i press it do i get to leave earth? |
| 05:29.00 | jetx | damn, still here |
| 05:29.08 | gravity | Unless you're the challenger |
| 05:29.20 | nvz | port80: in the world of computers there are not fences and there are no walls. |
| 05:29.25 | gravity | Yeah, I'm probably going to hell for that one |
| 05:29.26 | nvz | port80: So who needs gates and windows? |
| 05:29.30 | jetx | i never even looked at these keys closely till now :) |
| 05:29.42 | port80 | nvz, nobody... just trying to help with your problem |
| 05:29.46 | nvz | heh |
| 05:30.14 | ice_1963 | i have a nvidia video card need the driver |
| 05:30.16 | jetx | gravity: if so you'll be joined by about 50million other people |
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| 05:30.22 | gravity | hehe |
| 05:30.27 | jetx | ice_1963: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 05:31.05 | jetx | ice_1963: or /join #nvidia :o |
| 05:31.20 | nvz | I am hungry as a hostage in a cave in afganistan |
| 05:31.35 | gravity | nvz: Those are Osama's Nilla Wafers. Hands off! |
| 05:32.17 | nvz | I used to just say I am hungry as a hostage. but as time goes on you have to progressivly make your slang longer and shorter to remain funny |
| 05:33.03 | jetx | i fail to see the humor |
| 05:33.19 | nvz | heh |
| 05:33.30 | _fuzz | Hm.. I just got these syslog message: "CPU 0: Machine Check Exception: 0000000000000004", "Bank 0: b20000001040080f", "Kernel panic: CPU context corrupt" and then the box hangs. Running woody. Is this a hardware problem? |
| 05:33.53 | nvz | _fuzz: google it |
| 05:34.01 | jetx | bank makes me think memory, but i know nothing |
| 05:34.01 | nvz | _fuzz: google knows better than we do |
| 05:34.21 | jetx | you might check the temps |
| 05:34.26 | jetx | also |
| 05:35.12 | nvz | MCE is a fatal exception flag raised in the CPU if the kernel has MCE support it will catch the error and usually results in a kernel panic and system halt |
| 05:35.36 | nvz | the specific MCE that you have you would have to google for the cause |
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| 05:36.09 | ice_1963 | you have to ADD the non-free to the /etc/apt/sources.list first i can fine it to |
| 05:36.18 | ice_1963 | add it |
| 05:36.22 | _fuzz | ah.. i was googling "cpu context corrupt".. let's see.. |
| 05:36.36 | nvz | _fuzz: google for the numbers part |
| 05:36.40 | ice_1963 | man |
| 05:36.46 | nvz | _fuzz: I;ve done it many times and got specific information |
| 05:37.04 | nvz | Machine Check Exception: 0000000000000004 Bank 0: b20000001040080f |
| 05:37.06 | nvz | is the error |
| 05:37.23 | nvz | the other part is the kernel's error raised afterward |
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| 05:37.31 | nvz | cause and effect |
| 05:37.38 | nvz | first one is the cause, 2nd one is the effect |
| 05:37.45 | _fuzz | ah.. thanks |
| 05:37.59 | ice_1963 | pl |
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| 05:40.43 | chealer | since nobody cares anymore, the command I was looking for a few hours ago is stat |
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| 05:43.19 | liable | ice_1963: /etc/apt/source.list |
| 05:44.07 | liable | s/source/sources |
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| 05:44.33 | chealer | I can't really figure out what's the difference in the purpose of the two last lines though : Modify: 2005-08-09 23:16:12.000000000 -0400 |
| 05:44.33 | chealer | Change: 2005-08-09 23:16:12.000000000 -0400 |
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| 05:46.32 | Gospel | hello everyone |
| 05:46.45 | liable | hello |
| 05:46.45 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
| 05:46.46 | jetx | ice_1963: as root, nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:46.48 | liable | hello |
| 05:46.49 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
| 05:46.53 | jetx | hello |
| 05:46.53 | x-Al1gma | hello jetx |
| 05:47.05 | hail04 | I must ask, I have never had more than one network interface in my debian box...how do I make use of 2 network cards...ive tried to add eth1 but it doesnt like it and gives the new card eth0. |
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| 05:47.19 | Gospel | YaleR: so why are you in a Mepis channel if you dont use Mepis? |
| 05:47.30 | hail04 | I am going to work on making it an internet serving box |
| 05:47.35 | liable | hail04: apt-cache show ifrename |
| 05:47.37 | ice_1963 | liable i con't find souce to put it in the etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:47.53 | YaleR | Gospel: because I like helping people, please don't talk to me here - it's a busy channel |
| 05:48.05 | liable | ice_1963: what do you mean, you just add contrib non-free to the end of the one you have.. |
| 05:48.07 | jetx | ice_1963: as root, nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list and just add the words contrib non-free after main |
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| 05:48.26 | jetx | so it will read main contrib non-free when you're done |
| 05:48.31 | nvz | hail04: I dont know much about it but I know the only way to ensure a certain device gets a certain interface name would be by mac address. otherwise it goes by which driver or card the driver loads first |
| 05:48.35 | jetx | and all the other stuff in front of the line |
| 05:48.50 | chris | could someone refresh me on where my local repository is so that i can celan it up |
| 05:48.51 | ice_1963 | thats it |
| 05:49.11 | jetx | then ctrl x to exit and save, then apt-get update (as root also) |
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| 05:49.26 | liable | ice_1963: was that a question? punctuation can help an awfull lot :) |
| 05:49.36 | Gospel | YaleR: well im glad you and your chump mos banned me, for it made me come here and install Debian. I now realise that Debian is for me, and mepis is for the kids and wanna-be's |
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| 05:49.51 | nvz | liable: When used in moderation |
| 05:49.55 | gogo3or | hello I want open pop-op in the new window in opera but where is the option to change it |
| 05:50.00 | liable | nvz: indeed!!!! |
| 05:50.07 | gravity | gogo3or: Stop it |
| 05:50.11 | gravity | Gospel: Stop it |
| 05:50.16 | gravity | Gospel: Sorry, that was for Gospel |
| 05:50.20 | gravity | Fuck |
| 05:50.23 | YaleR | gravity: it might as well be |
| 05:50.24 | jetx | lol |
| 05:50.25 | gravity | gogo3or: ^ |
| 05:50.26 | Gospel | gravity: ok |
| 05:50.27 | chris | cd /usr/var/packages? |
| 05:50.30 | gogo3or | gravity, ok |
| 05:50.38 | gravity | gogo3or: Sorry |
| 05:50.57 | jetx | chris: apt-get clean, or apt-get autoclean |
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| 05:51.07 | jetx | chris: or use dselecty |
| 05:51.11 | jetx | chris: or use dselect |
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| 05:51.33 | ssm | jetx: If you want a horrible interface, at least use aptitude... |
| 05:51.36 | jetx | it's /var/cache/apt/archives, iirc |
| 05:51.44 | jetx | craptitude you say |
| 05:51.56 | gravity | aptitude is wonderful |
| 05:51.57 | liable | pfft.. |
| 05:52.07 | jetx | yeah sure it is |
| 05:52.21 | liable | aptitude is good.. |
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| 05:52.38 | warjest | has anyone had problems with mysql in sid lately ? |
| 05:52.38 | jetx | however, dselect internals are > *, and this is a proven fact. |
| 05:52.52 | warjest | after i rebooted about two weeks ago it hasnt worked since |
| 05:52.54 | jetx | but usually you won't come up on that |
| 05:53.06 | chris | thanks jetx |
| 05:53.18 | Coke | !work |
| 05:53.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
| 05:53.20 | gogo3or | gravity, i use konqueror but he sometimes crash and I'm looking fro sth. and opera is very good but i don't know chow open pop-ups int new window not in the "new tab" I know this is dumb guestion but I'm looking for this solution sice saturday, thanks |
| 05:53.49 | gravity | gogo3or: Sorry, I don't know. |
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| 05:54.15 | gogo3or | gravity, ok |
| 05:54.15 | jetx | warjest: you might check if the version changed, once a while ago mysql stopped because of the 4.0 - 4.1 update, iirc, but that was a while ago |
| 05:54.15 | dotsony | gogo3or: switch to firefox |
| 05:54.19 | liable | gogo3or: dont like firefox? |
| 05:54.27 | TheStick | firefox does the job |
| 05:54.35 | gogo3or | dotsony, firefox don;t support phplive |
| 05:54.44 | Coke | gogo3or: I don't think opera is a part of Debian, thus not many here use it. |
| 05:54.49 | jetx | phplive did work in ff for me |
| 05:55.04 | TheStick | what's so special avour phplive? o_O |
| 05:55.04 | dotsony | gogo3or: yeah where are you getting that |
| 05:55.12 | jetx | but not moz iirc... but it wasn't right i don't think |
| 05:55.14 | TheStick | *about |
| 05:55.35 | gogo3or | I buy it dotsony, by bos brought this |
| 05:55.40 | gogo3or | *by *my |
| 05:56.08 | Coke | "buy" software? |
| 05:56.10 | dotsony | gogo3or: i mean, why do you think firefox does not support phplive? |
| 05:56.14 | liable | gogo3or: what your native language? |
| 05:56.16 | jetx | yeah my host dropped phplive and went to another system. |
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| 05:56.28 | gogo3or | liable, Polish |
| 05:56.44 | jetx | dotsony: because it doesn't work worth anything, iirc |
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| 05:56.57 | Coke | Is it a video chat software? |
| 05:56.57 | jetx | i tried |
| 05:57.07 | liable | gogo3or: you know there is a polish channel? |
| 05:57.09 | solid_liq | does anyone know if WPA will work under debian stable? |
| 05:57.18 | jetx | no live chatting for like tech support... im |
| 05:57.33 | gogo3or | dotsony, phplive-pop-up don't open when clent ask but in konqueror it works fine |
| 05:57.35 | liable | solid_liq: wpa-supplicant |
| 05:57.36 | happy_broccoli__ | solid_liq: wpasuplicant install |
| 05:57.37 | jetx | wpa-supplicant or something |
| 05:58.00 | solid_liq | I've tried wpasupplicant, but it won't connect |
| 05:58.01 | gogo3or | liable, I don't like talk with polish debian plp |
| 05:58.08 | Coke | yeah, I guess there isn't many good free implementations for video nor audio communication. |
| 05:58.28 | solid_liq | I don't know if the patch for wpa is in the stock kernel or not, or if it needs it |
| 05:58.37 | gogo3or | beacuse they have a big knownleage but they don;t like share it |
| 05:58.57 | ke6isf | oh, ghod, I'm now attacking my monitor as if it's a touch screen. =O.o= |
| 05:59.05 | liable | solid_liq: what patch? you probably did your config wrong, did you double chech the keys? |
| 05:59.20 | solid_liq | I copy and pasted it in |
| 05:59.38 | Coke | solid_liq: /usr/share/doc/your-kernel-name/ contains all documentation about your kernel. |
| 05:59.40 | solid_liq | the ssid isn't broadcast... |
| 05:59.53 | liable | solid_liq: you have to enable broadcast. |
| 05:59.57 | phorce1 | I've been digging in 'man sed' 'man cut' and 'man sort' and can't figure out how to insert a specific character at a specific point in every line in a text file. Ideas? (searchable list of phone numbers like "409,5551234" and I want to insert a "-" at position 8 in every line to make it "409,555-1234") |
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| 06:00.08 | gogo3or | ok Thanks for all I will try with galeon |
| 06:00.10 | solid_liq | liable: is there no way to connect without it being broadcast? |
| 06:00.13 | liable | solid_liq: it wont work without it iirc |
| 06:00.26 | Coke | phorce1: man awk |
| 06:00.39 | liable | solid_liq: not enabling broadcast is pointless anyway.. |
| 06:00.39 | phorce1 | Coke: thanks -- looking |
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| 06:00.53 | Coke | phorce1: use awk on every line, it can handle substrings and string concatentations well. |
| 06:01.16 | liable | solid_liq: any kid with kismet can see it anyway. |
| 06:01.27 | solid_liq | liable: ouch, that sux. I just moved 2,000 miles, and I'm staying at a friend's house while looking for a job/apartment, and he's out of the country until this weekend, so I can't enable it... |
| 06:01.32 | warjest | sk:/var/lock/apache2# mysqld -v |
| 06:01.32 | warjest | 050815 2:01:17 mysqld: unknown variable 'old_passwords=1' |
| 06:01.32 | warjest | yeah |
| 06:01.37 | warjest | i've got errors |
| 06:01.38 | gogo3or | phorce1, read this http://shelldorado.dyndns.org/wiki/index.php/BashFaq, find read line |
| 06:02.01 | liable | solid_liq: ring him, ask for the router config, or reset it to defaults :) |
| 06:02.23 | solid_liq | heheh |
| 06:02.44 | solid_liq | liable: well I can't call him, he's on another continent so he didn't bring his phone... |
| 06:02.58 | solid_liq | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....... |
| 06:03.07 | liable | ok. well I guess you have to wait. just use your eth card. |
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| 06:03.20 | ssm | phorce1: perl -ne '/(.{7})(.*)/ && print "$1-$2\n"' <file |
| 06:03.23 | liable | your friend :) |
| 06:04.06 | solid_liq | liable: he did just replace the previous WRT54G with this new one the day before he left since the old one died... |
| 06:04.30 | solid_liq | liable: and he IS in IT, so it's not like it's difficult for him... |
| 06:04.39 | liable | solid_liq: well, dunno, you do what you like, but thats what you need. |
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| 06:05.00 | gogo3or | ssm, read line sould works fine |
| 06:05.15 | solid_liq | liable: ok, well thanks for the info and idea. I'll have to decide this myself :) |
| 06:05.25 | liable | solid_liq: your welcome. |
| 06:05.51 | phorce1 | coke: awk looks like it wants to work on regex like sed. I was thinking of 'cut'ting the file into two parts (column 1-7 and 8-end) then using 'read line' to read one line from the first file, echo a "-", then read one line from the second file. |
| 06:05.56 | solid_liq | liable: oh, do you know if kismet will work with ndiswrapper? |
| 06:06.05 | osama | hi, i need to run 10 instances of UML at the same time, to do this i was told to use clusterssh or use expect modules from perl, but to to install any modules i'd need root access (which i dont), is there anyway i could run 10 instances of uml at the same time? |
| 06:06.16 | phorce1 | ssm: i are not a programmer but that perl ine looks much simpler |
| 06:06.20 | liable | solid_liq: um, I dont think so, check the docs. |
| 06:06.22 | ssm | gogo3or: It could have been done simpler, or better, but that was what I remembered first. :D |
| 06:06.38 | solid_liq | liable: k, thanx |
| 06:07.05 | liable | solid_liq: I dont know if wpa-supplicant works with it either. |
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| 06:07.13 | gogo3or | ssm, your solution is very good :) |
| 06:07.26 | gogo3or | but read line is easy to unerstend |
| 06:07.41 | liable | solid_liq: read the docs for that, it says what cards are supported (wpa-sup) |
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| 06:07.49 | ssm | gogo3or: ah, I see your URL above, will check it out |
| 06:07.51 | phorce1 | ssm: and works like a charm. Thanks |
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| 06:08.47 | ssm | gogo3or: Nice FAQ, I'll bookmark it. :D Thanks |
| 06:08.51 | ssm | phorce1: No worries |
| 06:09.25 | gogo3or | ssm, you're wellcome |
| 06:09.26 | phorce1 | ssm: thanks for the quick solution. All, thanks for the ideas. Now I'm out before the boss realizes I jumped into IRC from behind the firewall -- really need to move my IRC machine back to the house. |
| 06:09.27 | gogo3or | :) |
| 06:10.00 | solid_liq | liable: the ndiswrapper site has a tut for using wpasupplicant with it |
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| 06:11.06 | liable | solid_liq: yeah, I just read the readme, and it says it does too :) |
| 06:11.16 | osama | need to run 10 instances of UML at the same time, is there anyway to do this without haveing root access? please help |
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| 06:15.07 | stizoner | am i stupid or what? i go to download debian and i see 14 torrents for it, what am i missing here? |
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| 06:15.27 | liable | stizoner: yes. :P |
| 06:15.29 | on1009 | hi |
| 06:15.35 | solid_liq | liable: crap, can't use kismet :( |
| 06:15.42 | on1009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.46 | liable | stizoner: you can use the net-install, business card or iso1 :) |
| 06:16.09 | osama | i'll try to rephrase my problem, tryin to load 10 instances of a program at the same time to see the load on a server, to load 10 instances at the same i'd need 10 terminals where typin in one would echo it to all the other terminals, can't use any sort of perl scripting cause dont have root access and cant install perl modules, really appreciate anyone's help |
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| 06:16.13 | stizoner | grr u told me not 2, and i did anyways, and i couldnt get xfce to start |
| 06:16.25 | stizoner | just stuck on a blank screen after login |
| 06:16.46 | stizoner | i suppose i have no choice but 2 select desktop with all the junk n crap and just pick away at it figure out what to remove |
| 06:16.49 | liable | stizoner: excuse me? what did you do? |
| 06:16.56 | liable | what did you install? |
| 06:17.18 | stizoner | i did the next install and installed xfce and i think the x thing for the desktop |
| 06:17.22 | stizoner | net install* |
| 06:17.30 | sporkbomb | Do people even buy Gateway anymore? I almost forgot that they even existed. |
| 06:17.34 | liable | ok, did you configure x? |
| 06:17.36 | osama | i guess no one can help :( |
| 06:17.55 | Gospel | osama: there are many people here who can help |
| 06:18.07 | liable | stizoner: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 06:18.39 | stizoner | grrr i got the command wrong 2, so what was that again? wait, i gotta configure x? no no, im a retarded linux newb, i just want debian with all the core shit 2 run properly but no software, no 10 web browsers and text editiors and media players... etc.... |
| 06:19.05 | stizoner | oh and xfce |
| 06:19.11 | solid_liq | osama: I recommend a different channel, one more specific to your problem. Sorry, I don't know of one, but I'm sure google can tell you. |
| 06:19.21 | liable | stizoner: its the same config, as if you picked the desktop anyway, it has to be done.. |
| 06:19.49 | osama | i've tried google but no luck |
| 06:19.52 | mwilson | !2 |
| 06:19.52 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 06:19.55 | ke6isf | stizoner: If you don't want ten web browsers, don't install ten web browsers. |
| 06:19.58 | solid_liq | stizoner: if you're a linux newb, what's the hangup with xfce? |
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| 06:20.28 | liable | its l33t! |
| 06:20.34 | stizoner | i just like it so much better then gnome and kde, its just right 4 me |
| 06:20.34 | solid_liq | hahahahah |
| 06:20.50 | stizoner | 2 each there own i guess |
| 06:21.02 | liable | stizoner: so, install it.. its really not that hard. |
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| 06:21.13 | osama | its gonna be annoying but i'm gonna ask again |
| 06:21.14 | ke6isf | !tell stizoner -about 2 |
| 06:21.15 | solid_liq | !find xfce |
| 06:21.17 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xfce' (15 of 38): gtk2-engines-xfce ;; libxfce4mcs-client-2 ;; libxfce4mcs-dev ;; libxfce4mcs-manager-2 ;; libxfce4util-1 ;; libxfce4util-dev ;; libxfcegui4-3 ;; libxfcegui4-dev ;; xfce4 ;; xfce4-appfinder ;; xfce4-artwork ;; xfce4-battery-plugin ;; xfce4-clipman-plugin ;; xfce4-datetime-plugin ;; xfce4-diskperf-plugin. |
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| 06:21.37 | stizoner | omg this isnt like aol? as if! |
| 06:21.39 | solid_liq | just to apt-get install xfce4 |
| 06:21.39 | stizoner | :P |
| 06:21.45 | osama | tryin to load 10 instances of a program at the same time to see the load on a server, to load 10 instances at the same i'd need 10 terminals where typin in one would echo it to all the other terminals, can't use any sort of perl scripting cause dont have root access and cant install perl modules, really appreciate anyone's help |
| 06:22.04 | ke6isf | !repeat |
| 06:22.04 | dpkg | i guess repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 06:22.09 | solid_liq | osama: use a bash script |
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| 06:22.30 | YaleR | its an easy one to write too |
| 06:22.32 | YaleR | here |
| 06:23.00 | solid_liq | you know you can postpend a single ampersand to make it run as a background job, right? |
| 06:23.15 | stizoner | ok ok, lemme try again, damn i need 2 monitors, keyboards, mice .. so i can chat on the other pc while doing it |
| 06:23.23 | solid_liq | for NUM in `seq 1 10`; do myprocess & ; done |
| 06:23.28 | solid_liq | there ya go |
| 06:23.43 | on1009 | osama, if u start them one after the other theyll be all started within 2-3 seconds that is close enough to 'at the same time' |
| 06:24.03 | on1009 | you for u sorry |
| 06:24.17 | solid_liq | and that little one-liner will start them all within a fraction of a second |
| 06:24.17 | YaleR | osama: there you go, a simple for |
| 06:24.28 | osama | solid_liq: with bash scripting i'll only have one terminal open, not sure if i could run 10 instances in 10 terminals |
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| 06:24.47 | YaleR | osama: you can have it open another terminal |
| 06:24.48 | solid_liq | osama: why do you need 10 terminals? |
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| 06:24.54 | aqua | so umm |
| 06:24.55 | YaleR | or use screen |
| 06:24.58 | ircdevil | hi all |
| 06:24.58 | stizoner | lol |
| 06:25.08 | aqua | why on gods earth does mysql-server-4.1 depend on exim |
| 06:25.26 | ke6isf | aqua: ...because it's insane? Dunno. |
| 06:25.27 | solid_liq | aqua: for all the perty graphics! :) hehehh |
| 06:25.28 | mwilson | it doesn't. |
| 06:25.35 | aqua | exim is a mailserver |
| 06:25.36 | aqua | tard |
| 06:25.43 | bob2 | um |
| 06:25.44 | aqua | mwilson; here it does |
| 06:25.44 | ircdevil | i am getting fsck failed during boot - give root passwd for maintainance or press ctrl-D etc. now, i cannot find out which disk check failed? |
| 06:25.46 | bob2 | no need to be a cock |
| 06:25.51 | mwilson | It depends on mail-transfer-agent, if you'd bothered to look, which exim provides. |
| 06:25.51 | solid_liq | aqua: bite me |
| 06:25.58 | osama | i could make another terminal open with bash scripting? |
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| 06:26.06 | aqua | bob2; my appologies |
| 06:26.06 | bob2 | solid_liq: aqua enough |
| 06:26.06 | mwilson | Lots of packages provide mail-transfer-agent. |
| 06:26.15 | YaleR | osama: look into screen |
| 06:26.24 | on1009 | osama, why all the terminals? |
| 06:26.27 | ircdevil | so - what to look for in the logs? |
| 06:26.28 | solid_liq | sorry |
| 06:26.32 | bob2 | aqua: where does it Depend on exim? (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/mysql-server-4.1) |
| 06:26.40 | ke6isf | osama: You're still trying to stress-test that box? |
| 06:26.43 | solid_liq | osama: yeah, but are you just looking to see the output? |
| 06:26.47 | mwilson | mysql does because it has scripting to mail the database admin and let him know that there are crashed databases, which, last time I checked, required some sort of MTA. |
| 06:26.48 | osama | Yaler: do u know where i could get screen from |
| 06:26.59 | streuner | heh |
| 06:27.00 | solid_liq | apt-get install screen |
| 06:27.03 | solid_liq | :) |
| 06:27.03 | osama | ke6isf: hehe yah, |
| 06:27.05 | ssm | aqua: mysql-server-4.1 depends on mailx, which again depends on 'exim4 | mail-transport-agent', so it will make sure you have a MTA installed |
| 06:27.11 | YaleR | osama: with debian? apt-get install screen |
| 06:27.17 | mwilson | Of course, I actually bothered to LOOK... |
| 06:27.17 | aqua | mwilson; ahh ok |
| 06:27.20 | ke6isf | osama: My advice is to gain root access on the box you need to stress test. Ask your admin. |
| 06:27.31 | aqua | ssm; thank you |
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| 06:27.41 | stizoner | there any horny nerdy chix here (preferably w/ glasses) ? press 666! the idea of a chick who knows more then me about a computer... turnsss me on |
| 06:27.42 | aqua | bob2; see some poeple were able to give me thoughtful input |
| 06:27.45 | osama | ke6isf: they dont give me root access unfortunately |
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| 06:27.49 | solid_liq | osama: are you just looking to see the output? |
| 06:27.50 | rking | 666 |
| 06:27.51 | stizoner | jk lol |
| 06:27.54 | torc_ | what is hardlock? |
| 06:27.54 | stizoner | well about the first part |
| 06:28.03 | ke6isf | osama: Then how the hell do they expect you to do your job?! |
| 06:28.14 | osama | solid_liq: ya and also the load on the server |
| 06:28.22 | mwilson | Well, actually, I thought he was a moron. Dunno if that qualifies as "thoughtful". |
| 06:28.23 | bob2 | stizoner: can we maintain some basic level of dignity? |
| 06:28.25 | gravity | stizoner: Stop that |
| 06:28.32 | stizoner | /msg rking hey baby |
| 06:28.36 | ke6isf | stizoner: Dude, chill. |
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| 06:28.38 | stizoner | oh ok sorry |
| 06:28.47 | solid_liq | osama: then just pipe the output to files, and use tail -f to monitor the files |
| 06:29.12 | solid_liq | osama: that way you still have the output logged, in case you want to check on it later |
| 06:29.20 | stizoner | i come from a very open chat, im not used 2 these places, ill chill, lets u guys talk geek n stuff |
| 06:29.31 | solid_liq | osama: and to monitor system load, just do something like: |
| 06:29.33 | peterS | 'less +F' or 'less +F -S' are more fun than 'tail -f' |
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| 06:29.58 | Stereo | peterS: what do they do? |
| 06:30.02 | solid_liq | while true; do uptime >> uptime.log; sleep 1; done |
| 06:30.07 | mwilson | Gods, so much AOL-speak... I think I'm going to be sick. |
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| 06:30.17 | peterS | Stereo: +F does a tail -f like thing. -S chops each line to the width of your terminal |
| 06:30.18 | Stereo | !u |
| 06:30.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:30.26 | solid_liq | peterS: same thing |
| 06:30.30 | ke6isf | !n |
| 06:30.30 | dpkg | n is probably a nitrogen atom, or 420, or {1,2,3,....} |
| 06:30.38 | osama | alright sweet thanks |
| 06:30.47 | peterS | how is n == 420? |
| 06:30.50 | Stereo | peterS: nice :D |
| 06:30.59 | ke6isf | !who said that |
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| 06:31.15 | ke6isf | peterS: You know, I haven't the foggiest idea. |
| 06:31.19 | mwilson | octal? |
| 06:31.26 | TheStick | !wanker |
| 06:31.26 | dpkg | well, wanker is giving the palm pilot a flight, massaging Kojak's head. Fuck, someone pass me the tissues. |
| 06:31.27 | mwilson | Nam |
| 06:31.31 | ke6isf | mwilson: No, it would probably be 0420 then. |
| 06:31.33 | TheStick | heh |
| 06:31.33 | mwilson | Not octal. |
| 06:31.37 | on1009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.38 | solid_liq | no prob |
| 06:31.40 | destiny | TheStick: :P |
| 06:32.01 | TheStick | destiny: you can say that again :P |
| 06:32.02 | bob2 | on1009: don't use ipmasq then |
| 06:32.07 | destiny | TheStick: lol ;) |
| 06:32.12 | bob2 | on1009: shorewall or firestarter will be simpler |
| 06:32.20 | ircdevil | i am getting fsck failed during boot - give root passwd for maintainance or press ctrl-D etc. where to read? |
| 06:32.41 | cat | ircdevil: theres a direction |
| 06:32.43 | cat | do what it says |
| 06:32.49 | ke6isf | ircdevil: OK, so why is it doing that? |
| 06:32.53 | cat | write the root passwd and do what it says |
| 06:33.01 | on1009 | bob2, are they ascii or X because i want no X on that box |
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| 06:33.05 | solid_liq | on1009: or even guarddog if you want a kde interface. Then you can always look through the script it generates to learn how to do it |
| 06:33.14 | cat | ke6isf: is checking for bad block or something it happends when they don't shutdown the machine properly |
| 06:33.32 | ke6isf | cat: Yeah, but that sort of activity is non-interactive, it just does it. |
| 06:33.38 | bob2 | on1009: then shorewall is for you |
| 06:33.43 | ke6isf | cat: The only exception is Mandreck, where it requests you to hit Y to fsck the vol. |
| 06:33.57 | cat | well that's the only way to do it ke6isf if you don't do it you can't go back into the system |
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| 06:34.13 | on1009 | bob2, is it able to handle dyn ips on dialup? |
| 06:34.27 | ke6isf | cat: with a root password? If it's asking that, something is dreadfully wrong. |
| 06:34.27 | cat | on1009: on what? |
| 06:34.32 | bob2 | on1009: of course |
| 06:34.44 | solid_liq | dialup? what's that?? :)) |
| 06:34.48 | solid_liq | !dialup |
| 06:34.49 | dpkg | dialup is, like, the worst type of internet connection available |
| 06:34.53 | on1009 | cat, dialup |
| 06:34.54 | solid_liq | heheh |
| 06:34.55 | cat | ke6isf: dude i know about it, |
| 06:34.57 | cat | on1009: yeah |
| 06:35.05 | ke6isf | solid_liq: I think it's with the thing that makes those funny squealing sounds. |
| 06:35.13 | bob2 | ke6isf: if you get that error, something is terribly wrong with your filesystem, yes |
| 06:35.45 | solid_liq | oh, those things that kill your ears like a jet plane, but go slower than a turtle? |
| 06:35.47 | ke6isf | The ONLY time I've seen it is when I replaced a volume with another, and there needed to be an fsck. |
| 06:35.55 | ke6isf | solid_liq: Yeah! |
| 06:35.55 | on1009 | bob2, solid_liq cat thanks ill try |
| 06:35.57 | ircdevil | ke6isf: i dont know - i need to find out |
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| 06:36.04 | solid_liq | heheh |
| 06:36.32 | solid_liq | ke6isf: people still use those?? :) |
| 06:36.56 | ke6isf | solid_liq: Yeah - I have friends in outlying areas that can't get DSL or Cable, because some company doesn't want to spend the money to wire 'em up. |
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| 06:37.31 | mwilson | <sigh> Any number of people still use modems for a variety of things. |
| 06:37.36 | solid_liq | ke6isf: yeah, I'm just playing. I'm just happy because that was exactly my situation until about 6 months ago.. couldn't stand it |
| 06:37.47 | witless | anyone using gnome? anyone notice the Window Selector isn't working anymore? |
| 06:38.04 | ke6isf | witless: The window selector? |
| 06:38.14 | liable | workspace? |
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| 06:38.28 | witless | ke6isf: mac-ish thing where you select a window from a drop-down |
| 06:38.28 | sporkbomb | no...he means window selector |
| 06:38.28 | ke6isf | witless: I've noticed no change in behavior. |
| 06:38.41 | viyyer | is there a way to find out when was a certein package installed |
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| 06:39.54 | liable | time stamp on config? |
| 06:41.10 | liable | or if you use aptitude.. |
| 06:41.19 | jf3 | catch |
| 06:41.28 | liable | throw |
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| 06:42.06 | jf3 | ahem... wrong window |
| 06:42.45 | sadfgg | How do I install HTML::Entities module in Perl for Debian? |
| 06:43.24 | streuner | viyyer: so it isn't installed anymore? |
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| 06:43.58 | viyyer | streuner, not the packages are instaled.. I want to know.. when were a few packages installed |
| 06:44.44 | streuner | viyyer: via ls /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 06:44.45 | jf3 | sadfgg: It should be in libhtml-parser-perl package |
| 06:45.13 | streuner | viyyer: they need to be installed actually on your system... |
| 06:45.21 | cat | hey when i do ssh how can i connect to a different port? |
| 06:45.36 | viyyer | ok |
| 06:45.45 | jf3 | sadfgg: you could also take a look at dh-make-perl |
| 06:46.21 | sadfgg | jf3, cool, have you convert special characters to html tags before? |
| 06:47.20 | jf3 | sadfgg: no, haven't used the library |
| 06:47.43 | Routed | am I going crazy, or has the boot-floppies package gone away? |
| 06:47.59 | peterS | Routed: both |
| 06:48.19 | Routed | peterS, ah |
| 06:48.55 | Routed | anyone know what replaced boot-floppies? |
| 06:49.02 | peterS | Routed: boot-floppies was really really difficult to maintain or improve or port. it was replaced by a huge effort which culminated in debian-installer |
| 06:49.23 | peterS | Routed: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 06:49.36 | Routed | PeterS, I see. |
| 06:50.51 | Routed | PeterS, so, if I want to hack on the d-i, what packe/s do I need? Everytime I search, I wind up at the iso's.. ;) |
| 06:51.02 | bucky | Routed, there are still boot floppies if you want them |
| 06:51.02 | Routed | er, packages |
| 06:51.28 | peterS | Routed: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, as I just said. it has instructions for 'how to start hacking' |
| 06:51.32 | bucky | the install cd is only about 180 M |
| 06:51.53 | bucky | otherwise three floppies will do a net install |
| 06:51.54 | jetx | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:52.22 | jetx | oh nm |
| 06:52.24 | viyyer | streuner, thanks it works good |
| 06:52.32 | gogo3or | I'm looking for tool/website which have big whois database, to itendtyfi domain? |
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| 06:52.44 | Overand | gogo3or: the command: "whois" |
| 06:53.06 | gogo3or | but i need register user info |
| 06:53.07 | Overand | gogo3or: just bring up your console/terminal and type: whois domainname.com |
| 06:53.11 | gogo3or | who buy this domain |
| 06:53.13 | viyyer | only thing is it give me idea about the first installation |
| 06:53.18 | peterS | gogo3or: especially 'whois' in debian unstable. marco d'itri maintains it quite actively, keeping the latest whois servers for different domains and IP blocks |
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| 06:53.27 | nvz | gogo3or: samspade.org |
| 06:53.28 | Routed | um, thanks guys, I think ;) |
| 06:53.52 | ssm | peterS: if you install "jwhois" from stable, it'll do the same thing |
| 06:53.52 | nvz | gogo3or: cool site, you can even make your own customized toolset and bookmark it |
| 06:53.57 | momo | is the ssh package borken now? |
| 06:54.05 | momo | i update few hours ago....... |
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| 06:54.33 | momo | but can't connect to server now... |
| 06:55.00 | liable | momo: check the bts. |
| 06:55.04 | momo | experience some disconnect after input username |
| 06:55.28 | momo | bts? |
| 06:55.32 | destiny | whats the command to see what version Debian we are using? |
| 06:55.39 | nvz | destiny: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:55.46 | liable | bts=bug tracking system |
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| 06:56.04 | destiny | nvz: ok |
| 06:56.09 | nvz | destiny: but that will only show you what version you are using, not what version we are using |
| 06:56.16 | momo | destiny: using debian/unstable(sid?) |
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| 06:56.27 | xbmodder | deadcat, !! |
| 06:56.32 | liable | momo: are you? |
| 06:56.34 | Routed | hmm, I'll rephrase my question. I want to replace the 2.6.8 kernel on the sarge netinstall cd with something newer. How can I do this? The sites I have visited after googling refer to bf24 and the boot-floppies package.. |
| 06:56.38 | eschur | Dselect keeps wanting to delete my kde installation and a whole bunch of other packages. How can I tell it I want to keep everything the way it is now |
| 06:56.45 | xbmodder | anyone here in #gentoo |
| 06:56.51 | nvz | Routed: using sarge then I assume? |
| 06:56.57 | destiny | momo: Sarge |
| 06:57.00 | Routed | nvz, yes, for some servers |
| 06:57.09 | nvz | Routed: you would probably have to build a kernel package if you _needed_ newer |
| 06:57.23 | nvz | Routed: why do you _need_ a newer kernel? |
| 06:57.37 | Routed | nvz, I've got my new kernel-image |
| 06:57.38 | peterS | Routed: honestly, the simplest way is to suck down the debian-installer source and its myriad build-dependencies, and read the READMEs there |
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| 06:57.50 | momo | liable:i'm sorry? |
| 06:58.02 | liable | momo: you're forgiven :) |
| 06:58.11 | peterS | Routed: it's not hard, but it does eat a lot of bandwidth to get all the text of the installer in like 40 languages, and all the arch-dependent stuff, and so forth |
| 06:58.32 | Routed | nvz, the why I need newer is, I have some sucky machines that hang during install, but seem to work with latest kernel. |
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| 06:58.50 | Routed | ie. 2.6.12.4 |
| 06:59.07 | momo | liable: ok where is the bts |
| 06:59.17 | Routed | PeterS, OK, cool. I'll see what I can manage. :) |
| 06:59.18 | liable | !tell momo about bts |
| 06:59.22 | solid_liq | xbmodder: why? |
| 06:59.30 | liable | !custom d-i |
| 06:59.30 | dpkg | from memory, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 06:59.33 | momo | ok i got it |
| 06:59.48 | nvz | Could someone recommed a very featureful image viewer? one that can keep lots of detailed data along with it without much fuss perhaps |
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| 06:59.52 | peterS | Routed: back in the boot-floppies days I used to build kernels and just overwrite A:LINUX.BIN or whatever, on the first floppy |
| 07:00.07 | nvz | I guess I need an organizer not a viewer so much |
| 07:00.08 | bucky | Routed, were those articles about building a custom kernel and remastering the install cd? |
| 07:00.10 | peterS | Routed: but I don't think you can boot a 2.6 installer kernel from a floppy, it's too big and anyway all the modules on the CD won't work |
| 07:00.14 | solid_liq | nvz: kimdaba |
| 07:00.42 | Routed | peterS, no, don't want to use floppies, just the docs I read referred to using them |
| 07:00.51 | nvz | solid_liq: sounds good. have you used it? |
| 07:00.58 | Routed | bucky, http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Making+a+Custom+Boot+CD+for+Debian |
| 07:01.03 | solid_liq | nvz: yeah, it rocks |
| 07:01.04 | Routed | that was what I was reading |
| 07:01.08 | peterS | Routed: right, well, floppies are the most convenient way to replace kernels on install media. just, as I said, I don't think they're supported anymore |
| 07:01.11 | liable | yay, alioth is back :) |
| 07:01.23 | nvz | solid_liq: is it flexible, like you can add your own data fields.. not all predefined crap? |
| 07:01.45 | solid_liq | nvz: kimdaba stands for: K Image Database |
| 07:01.57 | nvz | solid_liq: I've read the package info already |
| 07:01.59 | peterS | Routed: other option: similar story but use the hard disk boot images. you can make a bootable USB flash disk, if you have a 128 MB stick or so |
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| 07:02.23 | destiny | i have my secret key in Kgpg, but when I go to encrypt a file, the key doesnt show! Any fix? |
| 07:02.28 | eschur | how can I clear the dselect cache so it doesnt want to remove those packages every time? |
| 07:02.32 | peterS | Routed: debian-installer explicitly supports USB boot media |
| 07:02.38 | Routed | peterS, I'd also like to make my new kernel-image .deb be what get's installed, not just what gets booted. I'll see if I can understand the d-i build process. :) |
| 07:02.41 | nvz | solid_liq: I've tried many others in the past just wondering. I have in the past hated kde stuff but some of the best graphical frontends are qt anymore |
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| 07:02.53 | bucky | Routed, you don't think the custom install cd at that website will work for you ? |
| 07:02.55 | bucky | http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=4939#comment-4939 |
| 07:02.56 | peterS | Routed: and a lot of motherboards made in the last 6 years or so support booting a USB drive |
| 07:03.18 | New2Deb | I installed Sarge when it was testing. Since now it is stable, will it affect the way I install new packages? |
| 07:03.28 | solid_liq | nvz: couldn't remember off the top of my head, so I just checked: yes, you can |
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| 07:03.57 | peterS | Routed: yeah, I get your point about wanting to make sure the kernel package gets installed properly. at some point you do want to just break down and rebuild the whole image *correctly*. the docs are good but the process is a little bit hairy even so, given the huge scope of what debian-installer actually does |
| 07:04.53 | nvz | solid_liq: damn.. this better kick ass or I am getting rid of it.. heh its taking forever to load |
| 07:05.07 | Routed | peterS, well, I guess that's the price we pay for being sysadmins :). I'll try and enjoy the learning process, and hopefully spit something documentation wise out at the end :) |
| 07:05.17 | peterS | Routed: heh. good luck, dude |
| 07:05.21 | peterS | !bless Routed |
| 07:05.22 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Routed, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 07:05.25 | Routed | thanks |
| 07:05.29 | Routed | lol |
| 07:05.31 | solid_liq | nvz: heheh, it loads fast for me (p4, 2.4ghz, 512mb ram, notebook) |
| 07:05.57 | cpop | hello, a bit of a trouble here; i want to do a net install from a cd, and I need the 8139too module, which apparently needs the crc32 and mii modules; except they're not found ?? |
| 07:06.14 | nvz | solid_liq: I have an Athalon XP 1700+ but its indexing 2.6gb of files already |
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| 07:06.45 | solid_liq | nvz: oh, so your system is already busy with all kinds of irq flying around |
| 07:06.49 | cpop | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/mii.o mii no such file or dir |
| 07:06.53 | solid_liq | irq=irqs |
| 07:07.08 | nvz | solid_liq: this is the first load its not even started yet |
| 07:07.25 | cpop | and of course, 8139too complains of mii_* unresolved symbols |
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| 07:07.36 | solid_liq | nvz: indexing files always slows everything down |
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| 07:07.55 | cpop | any way to work around this? |
| 07:07.56 | nvz | solid_liq: asked me if I wanted a demo or to give it an existing dir.. so I pointed it at a "few" files :P |
| 07:08.09 | hail04 | any of you guys had experience running 2 network devices in a debian box? |
| 07:08.32 | kadigibox | I have but never got both to work |
| 07:09.03 | peterS | hail04: works fine. what's your issue? |
| 07:09.09 | solid_liq | nvz: ahhhhhh... yeah it has to build up a database, then it's fast. It's looking to find any and all header info it can from each one of the images it finds |
| 07:09.37 | nvz | solid_liq: only about 12,000 files or so. |
| 07:09.42 | solid_liq | nvz: oh, and I think it may generate thumbnails at the same time |
| 07:09.45 | peterS | hail04: I had to "fix" one of my network cards just today, because a package update a couple months ago forced me to change the configuration. I hadn't rebooted since then so I'd almost forgotten about that |
| 07:10.09 | solid_liq | nvz: expect 10+ minutes for that many images :) |
| 07:10.15 | hail04 | I have a Dell Optiplex GX110 that I want to run with onboard networking and an Intel Pro 100 nic. At the moment ive installed the nic and its recognising it and using it as primary. I want both to be in use so I can run my box as a net sharing system |
| 07:10.32 | destiny | besides kGpg, is there another encryption program? |
| 07:10.37 | peterS | hail04: 'man 5 interfaces'. it is all in there. /etc/network/interfaces is your file |
| 07:10.53 | liable | heh, uptime can make tracking stuff down difficult :) |
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| 07:11.11 | solid_liq | !encryption |
| 07:11.27 | peterS | liable: a bit, yeah. there is *something* to the idea of rebooting after major upgrades, just to catch any boot sequence problems right away |
| 07:11.50 | liable | peterS: yeah. |
| 07:12.39 | solid_liq | debian needs a search feature like the one in gentoo... |
| 07:12.55 | peterS | solid_liq: what sort of search feature? describe it, we'll tell you if debian has one |
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| 07:13.21 | nvz | solid_liq: so far its annoying.. but I am playing with settings and seeing what I can make it do |
| 07:13.51 | Bilskinir | how do i get GD? |
| 07:14.15 | jetx | wtf is gd gdmit |
| 07:14.30 | Bilskinir | AJRgal is a simple and easy to use PHP image gallery that uses PHP4 and GD to automatically generate thumbnails for all the images in a directory. |
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| 07:14.55 | jetx | not as simple as it makes out then eh |
| 07:14.57 | peterS | Bilskinir: apt-cache search php4 gd |
| 07:15.04 | peterS | solid_liq: status quo is 'apt-cache search' and 'grep-available'. our hope for the future is 'debtags grep', which is already quite good |
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| 07:15.07 | solid_liq | peterS: gentoo has its "portage" tree locally on your hard disk, sorted granularly into directories. you can search by package name only, or by package name and description. If you use esearch, it's really fast. If you're just looking for a type of program, you just go to /usr/portage, and start traversing the directory structure, looking for the type of app you want, and type ls when you're in an appropriate directory |
| 07:15.07 | xbmodder | can someone do me the AMAZING favor of compiling Ettercap for MAC OS 10.3 with static libs |
| 07:15.35 | bucky | all we need is another search tool :( |
| 07:16.01 | xbmodder | petemc, Gentoo is MUCH simpler for its portage util. though everything install is simpler on Debian. |
| 07:16.11 | peterS | solid_liq: debtags is amazing compared to searching package descriptions. it does rely on 'tags', metadata manually applied to packages to describe them in various ways. but the package database has been tagged reasonablly well by now |
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| 07:16.25 | kivi | Hello! Could you help me? During installation of Debian-based system on my brand new Turion 64 notebbok after loading Kernel the following messages comes up: APIC ERROR on CPU0 40(40). Could somebody tell me, what this message means? Is it a hardware or software error? The answer is real urgent.... |
| 07:16.48 | peterS | kivi: hardware error, but I think it can often be ignored |
| 07:16.52 | solid_liq | peterS: alright, I'll try it... |
| 07:17.05 | peterS | kivi: of course it *could* be caused by kernel bugs in setting up IRQ routing |
| 07:17.13 | nvz | yeah I guess this program kicks ass. just have to enter all the info before its of use |
| 07:17.34 | nvz | fortunatly thats not my problem |
| 07:17.38 | peterS | nvz: debtags? yeah. |
| 07:17.54 | nvz | peterS: kimdaba |
| 07:18.01 | peterS | oh. never heard of it. |
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| 07:18.12 | nvz | peterS: news to me too |
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| 07:18.50 | bucky | kde photo search tool? |
| 07:18.55 | peterS | right |
| 07:19.24 | kivi | peters: can this problem couse, that neither keyboard, no mouse can be used under X? |
| 07:19.25 | peterS | apparently a few KDE apps really are worth using. people speak very highly of k3b, too |
| 07:19.46 | jetx | you might try toggling the IOAPIC setting in your bios |
| 07:19.48 | peterS | kivi: if it's a real kernel bug with interrupt routing, I suppose it's possible |
| 07:19.54 | solid_liq | peterS: debtags grep isn't working for me. I did do the debtags update first, too |
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| 07:20.09 | Zap-W | in exim4 i have headers_charset = UTF-8 in main config file and pipe "blah blah pipe $header_from: $header_subject:" in a .forward file , exim decodes utf-8 headers fine except! when the header line is very long , then it does nothing |
| 07:20.12 | destiny | anyone using Kgpg? |
| 07:20.22 | peterS | kivi: if you suspect this is what's happening, try telling your X server to use the evdev interface to keyboards and mice. I don't know precisely how to do this, but it might avoid hardware-related problems like this one |
| 07:20.33 | solid_liq | peterS: k3b and amarok both rock |
| 07:20.45 | jetx | but it really shouldn't matter |
| 07:21.14 | peterS | solid_liq: well, debtags operates on the principle of distinct lists / hierarchies of tags. so not a free text search. you have to know what the tags are. GUI frontends help here |
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| 07:21.23 | Bac9 | what's the sh syntax for foo's output redirected to fd6, bar's output redirected to fd7, and foobar being able to access both those fds in a pipe? |
| 07:21.30 | New2Deb | I installed Sarge when it was testing. Since now it is stable, will it affect the way I install new packages? |
| 07:21.51 | solid_liq | peterS: see, gentoo's is a plain text search, with regular expression support |
| 07:21.51 | Zap-W | btw, is it just me or deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main dosent exist? |
| 07:21.56 | jetx | you have to change the sources to read either sarge or stable, not testing |
| 07:21.58 | peterS | Bac9: I'm not sure you can do that without an on-filesystem fifo or two |
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| 07:22.13 | jetx | New2Deb: ^^ |
| 07:22.21 | kivi | peters: Have you got idea, how to make this hardwa |
| 07:22.41 | peterS | solid_liq: 'apt-cache search' is full text search on package descriptions. the problem is that debian maintainers often write crappy package descriptions that don't trigger for common keyword searches. debtags is a more rigid system that aims to avoid this haphazardness |
| 07:22.46 | Zap-W | testing is now called etch? |
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| 07:22.55 | jetx | yes |
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| 07:22.57 | peterS | Zap-W: well, more like, etch is now called testing |
| 07:22.59 | Bac9 | peterS: basically with a | I can send 1 fd through (stdout) but what if I want to have two apps feeding a third app? |
| 07:23.11 | kivi | re error clear to the service using windows, or other softwaee? |
| 07:23.15 | Bac9 | peterS: is that possible? |
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| 07:23.50 | peterS | Bac9: I just build fifos. 'mkfifo /tmp/fifo0 /tmp/fifo1; foo > /tmp/fifo0 & bar > /tmp/fifo1 & foobar 6</tmp/fifo0 7</tmp/fifo1 |
| 07:24.04 | xbmodder | peterS, confused |
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| 07:24.21 | solid_liq | peterS: I wonder if there's a place I could use gentoo's search engine from debian... (their descriptions are almost always nice) |
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| 07:24.50 | New2Deb | Right now, are Stable and Testing pretty much the same? |
| 07:24.53 | peterS | solid_liq: see, I have no idea. debian package descriptions should be good too, and sometimes apt-cache search pulls up hits just fine. it's just a bit uneven |
| 07:24.54 | jetx | no |
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| 07:25.32 | peterS | New2Deb: not really. stable, testing, unstable are quite different from each other at present, as it happens. testing followed unstable long enough to pull it away from stable, but unstable has its own major problems, too, that make it diverge from testing |
| 07:25.34 | Bac9 | peterS: any way of doing it without going through the filesystem, but just through bash syntax? |
| 07:25.55 | kivi | Peters: Excuse me for thw hLF SENTENCE: Have you got idea how to make clear this hardware error to the sercive using Windows or third party software? |
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| 07:26.05 | jetx | testing atm is like sid | pre-xorg |
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| 07:26.23 | peterS | Bac9: I can't think of a way. it is possible that you can arrange something with ksh coprocesses. bash doesn't have them, but ksh does and ksh is in debian |
| 07:27.14 | Bac9 | peterS: then what's the point of piping input to different file descriptors if you can't access them? |
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| 07:27.57 | peterS | Bac9: you can open and close file descriptors arbitrarily. for example, 'exec 9>> /var/log/mylogfile; echo >&9 "an error happened"' |
| 07:28.04 | New2Deb | So, when Sarge became stable, werent testing and stable the same? |
| 07:28.20 | solid_liq | peterS: http://david-peter.de/esearch.html |
| 07:28.24 | peterS | Bac9: 'exec' is the shell way to open or close file descriptors right in the shell itself, as opposed to just redirecting individual commands |
| 07:28.35 | peterS | New2Deb: sort of |
| 07:29.05 | peterS | New2Deb: there was a lot of pressure from unstable for stuff that couldn't get into testing while it was frozen for release, but which suddenly could get into testing just after etch was promoted |
| 07:29.12 | peterS | New2Deb: so "stable == testing" did not last long |
| 07:29.21 | solid_liq | peterS: although that site shows some of the *least* descriptive package descriptions... :) |
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| 07:29.30 | Bac9 | peterS: but it's not possible to fill several fds with data then have a command read all those fds simultaneously (assuming the final command can read several fds simultaneously and do something usefull with them) |
| 07:29.57 | peterS | Bac9: well, pipes have limited buffers in unix. somewhat less limited in linux 2.6.x kernels. but still limited. |
| 07:30.23 | peterS | Bac9: wouldn't wanna deadlock because a process won't quit until it has written all its data, and the reader can't be started until the writer quits |
| 07:30.38 | peterS | Bac9: so be careful in that realm, even if you find a way (: |
| 07:30.47 | New2Deb | Ok. implying i should immediately point my souces.list to stable if I want to stick to Sarge? |
| 07:30.53 | Bac9 | peterS: but with a pipe the two processes on the ends can work simultaneously feeding/emptying pipe |
| 07:31.13 | peterS | New2Deb: if you want sarge, say sarge. stable will eventually be etch, and one day you'll wake up, do an 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' and suddenly have 500 new packages |
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| 07:31.55 | peterS | Bac9: yes they can. just make sure both processes are running. as opposed to, run the writer to fill the pipe, then run the reader to empty it. that's why I used '&' in the mkfifo example I gave earlier |
| 07:32.12 | sadfgg | peterS, about perl, echo "ĺ" | perl -MHTML::Entities -pe 'encode_entities($_)' outputs: å but perl -MHTML::Entities -pe 'encode_entities($_)' infile outputs: Ã¥ (the file contain only: ĺ) |
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| 07:32.24 | sadfgg | peterS, do you have any suggestion? =) |
| 07:33.05 | Bac9 | peterS: ok, now say I have 3 processes running simultaneously, the first two feeding the third via fd6 and fd7 respectivly, what'd be the syntax for that? |
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| 07:33.49 | Coke | sadfgg: do you tell the encode function what encoding you are using for the file? |
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| 07:35.00 | Coke | sadfgg: It would be strange if the file differed from your system, but just to be safe make sure there is no encoding problem. |
| 07:35.17 | New2Deb | Peters, thats confusing. if I stick to Sarge...will I be able to easily upgrade packages in future? So many distributions within Debian...how to maintain the software? |
| 07:35.50 | Coke | New2Deb: there's no problem sticking with stable and upgrading to etch when it becomes stable. |
| 07:36.04 | kivi | Peters please! How could I make clear to the service the APIC error using windows environment or third party software?? |
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| 07:36.57 | peterS | New2Deb: if you want stable, even after debian 3.2 or 4.0 comes out and *that* is stable, say "stable". if you want debian 3.1 until you change your mind, even if etch becomes stable, say "sarge" |
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| 07:37.47 | peterS | kivi: I don't know anything about windows diagnostic tools |
| 07:38.04 | kivi | Peters: Thank you. |
| 07:38.24 | New2Deb | Then I should update my sources.list to point to stable instead of testing. Because Stable is what I have now even though it was testing few months back. |
| 07:38.56 | peterS | New2Deb: right, or if you had said "sarge" back then, you would not have to change it now (: |
| 07:38.59 | Coke | New2Deb: you should use the distribution you want. |
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| 07:40.19 | IcE-bOy | in what package can i find <libssh/libssh.h> ? |
| 07:40.26 | New2Deb | peterS: Thx for taking the pain of explaining this :) |
| 07:40.32 | peterS | no problem |
| 07:40.43 | Coke | IcE-bOy: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search libssh.h |
| 07:41.00 | IcE-bOy | Coke: i have tryed it |
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| 07:42.15 | New2Deb | Coke: How do you decide that? I installed stable...because of nVidia issues, moved to testing. Not that easy for a beginner to figure that. :( |
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| 07:42.46 | solid_liq | !find libssh.h |
| 07:42.56 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libssh.h' returned no results. |
| 07:43.12 | solid_liq | !find openssh |
| 07:43.14 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'openssh' (2): openssh-client ;; openssh-server. |
| 07:43.16 | Coke | IcE-bOy: are you sure you don't want libssl.h? |
| 07:43.30 | solid_liq | IcE-bOy: it's probably one of those |
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| 07:44.11 | IcE-bOy | no |
| 07:44.13 | IcE-bOy | libssh.h |
| 07:44.18 | IcE-bOy | http://freshmeat.net/projects/libssh |
| 07:44.20 | solid_liq | !find libssh |
| 07:44.23 | IcE-bOy | i have download and build from there |
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| 07:44.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libssh' returned no results. |
| 07:44.35 | solid_liq | and it's not in there? |
| 07:44.45 | Coke | IcE-bOy: there is no libssh in Debian testing or stable. |
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| 07:45.49 | bob2 | IcE-bOy: the file is not in Debian, either |
| 07:46.02 | bob2 | and it's pretty annoying to ask ubuntu-specific questions in here |
| 07:46.49 | Coke | New2Deb: I've had no issues with nvidia regardless of stable, testing or unstable. |
| 07:47.20 | tarzeau | any way to get this fixed without reboot: Stale NFS file handle |
| 07:47.32 | Coke | tarzeau: remount or sync? |
| 07:47.40 | bob2 | tarzeau: client or server? |
| 07:47.46 | tarzeau | bob2: client |
| 07:48.02 | IcE-bOy | bob2: i'm trying this in 2 machines, one with debian sid an another one with debian hoary |
| 07:48.04 | tarzeau | Coke: it's automounted, sync the command? |
| 07:48.10 | IcE-bOy | so i'm doing the question in the correct place |
| 07:48.37 | solid_liq | ot, I remember seeing a web site that had wifi pcmcia/cardbus cards supported by linux which had rp-sma connectors and 200mW of transmit power, but I don't remember where it was. Anyone have any idea? |
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| 07:49.08 | Coke | tarzeau: I can't remember. All I remember is that the stale handle problem is easy to solve. |
| 07:49.16 | Coke | tarzeau: and that it happened a lot. |
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| 07:53.33 | solid_liq | ot, I remember seeing a web site that had wifi pcmcia/cardbus cards supported by linux which had rp-sma connectors and 200mW of transmit power, but I don't remember where it was. Anyone have any idea? |
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| 07:54.52 | Stereo | solid_liq: try asking on #wireless |
| 07:55.27 | solid_liq | Stereo: thanks |
| 07:56.04 | tarzeau | Coke: oh if you can find out how to solve it without a reboot, im very thankful to you |
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| 07:58.58 | liable | debian hoary? |
| 08:01.09 | Stereo | why not debian core 3? |
| 08:01.26 | Coke | tarzeau: asked my colleague, but he doesn't remember either. it's been over five years since I last used it. Been using AFS since then. |
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| 08:02.17 | Coke | tarzeau: as I remember it, the handle would be renewed. you can set some setting to lower which means it will check more often for new handles, but I can't really confirm that in any way. |
| 08:02.40 | Dakishi | how can i get IRC for my debian? |
| 08:02.40 | Coke | tarzeau: considering how common this problem is it should be in NFS FAQ's. |
| 08:02.55 | Coke | Dakishi: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 08:02.57 | bob2 | Debian Core Super Champiosnhip Kombat Gold Edition Consortium |
| 08:03.05 | bob2 | SEE IT DOES NOT VIOLATE ANY TRADE MARKS AT ALL |
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| 08:03.25 | liable | omg! where can I get it! |
| 08:03.59 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 08:04.08 | liable | hello |
| 08:04.09 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
| 08:04.12 | liable | hello |
| 08:04.13 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
| 08:04.17 | dimir | :-) |
| 08:04.25 | Coke | I think x-Al1gma is a bot. |
| 08:04.29 | dimir | echo works fine here. |
| 08:04.31 | liable | indeed it is.. |
| 08:04.38 | dimir | oh no! |
| 08:04.40 | dimir | :-) |
| 08:04.45 | saad_ | hi |
| 08:04.49 | liable | hello |
| 08:04.50 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
| 08:04.55 | dimir | hillo |
| 08:04.58 | dimir | hello |
| 08:04.59 | x-Al1gma | hello dimir |
| 08:05.02 | saad_ | can any body gude me in installing VGA drivers |
| 08:05.09 | liable | I shouldnt, but i cant help it. :) |
| 08:05.10 | Dakishi | when i try to switch user and get to login screen again, my screen stays black and nothing happens what can i do? |
| 08:05.15 | Coke | saad_: what VGA drivers? |
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| 08:05.22 | dimir | liable: :-) |
| 08:05.27 | saad_ | I have HP D330 |
| 08:05.36 | Coke | Dakishi: what is "switch user" and what kind of login screen. |
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| 08:05.46 | Coke | saad_: yeah, but for what? |
| 08:05.50 | amelaye | hannnn |
| 08:06.08 | saad_ | well i installed Ubuntu for the first time |
| 08:06.13 | Dakishi | Coke, i am running Xandors, when you log off to go to root you get on a login screen where you insert password, ut scren stays black and nothing happens |
| 08:06.17 | Coke | saad_: this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 08:06.25 | Dakishi | but screen* |
| 08:06.26 | Coke | Dakishi: this is #debian, not #xandros |
| 08:06.28 | liable | saad_: um, off to #ubuntu with you :) |
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| 08:06.28 | saad_ | the default vga drivesr are loaded and I cannt change the resoloution |
| 08:06.33 | Dakishi | well it is the same |
| 08:06.34 | Dakishi | XP |
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| 08:06.45 | Coke | Dakishi: it's not the same. completely different OS. |
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| 08:06.55 | Coke | saad_: try #ubuntu |
| 08:06.56 | liable | Dakishi: dont make us set dpkg onto you! :) |
| 08:06.56 | Dakishi | all debian package and commands work here |
| 08:07.01 | saad_ | ok |
| 08:07.06 | Coke | Dakishi: no |
| 08:07.15 | Dakishi | and beside xandors doesnt got people on |
| 08:07.27 | Dakishi | XP |
| 08:07.32 | liable | !tell Dakishi about based on debian |
| 08:07.32 | Coke | Dakishi: so quit using an unsupported OS and start using Debian. |
| 08:07.43 | liable | Dakishi: I warned you :) |
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| 08:08.06 | liable | !tell Dakishi about they don't know |
| 08:08.13 | Dakishi | lol ok ok |
| 08:08.15 | Dakishi | i goyt it |
| 08:08.15 | Dakishi | XD |
| 08:09.14 | Coke | It's strange. In the end they all end up here, so why not use Debian in the first place? |
| 08:09.28 | Dakishi | cause it is 14 cds =P |
| 08:09.35 | Dakishi | and net install doesnt work |
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| 08:09.56 | liable | why? |
| 08:10.10 | Coke | Dakishi: you are lying. |
| 08:10.10 | Dakishi | ??? |
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| 08:10.22 | Dakishi | XP well i need to configure my DNS to use my adsl |
| 08:10.24 | Coke | Dakishi: net install worked for me and for literally THOUSANDS of other users. |
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| 08:10.31 | Dakishi | and the net install doesnt let you configure DNS |
| 08:10.36 | Dakishi | it is my country problem |
| 08:10.39 | Dakishi | not debians |
| 08:10.40 | Dakishi | XP |
| 08:10.40 | liable | Dakishi: you have three different cd's you could use. net, business csrd, and iso1 |
| 08:10.53 | defcon8 | dak, config your own dns? |
| 08:11.00 | Coke | Dakishi: the net install first tries with DHCP, if that works you don't need to set a DNS manually. |
| 08:11.10 | Dakishi | well |
| 08:11.15 | Dakishi | i really need to |
| 08:11.21 | Dakishi | or it wont pass the info |
| 08:11.27 | liable | stop using enter? |
| 08:11.34 | liable | damn, missed.. |
| 08:11.46 | Coke | what won't pass what info? |
| 08:12.00 | Coke | Dakishi: are you the riddler? |
| 08:12.07 | Dakishi | eehh the navigation on internet, i need to set my Ip, default gateway, and DNS |
| 08:12.16 | Coke | Dakishi: not if the DHCP works. |
| 08:12.28 | liable | Dakishi: you got a router? |
| 08:12.29 | Dakishi | DHCP?????, |
| 08:12.33 | Dakishi | Liable yes |
| 08:12.40 | liable | Dakishi: it does dhcp? |
| 08:12.56 | Dakishi | liable, i am not sure, havent read or configure a DHCP |
| 08:13.09 | liable | Dakishi: assigns an ip automatically? |
| 08:13.21 | Dakishi | liable, it doesnt work i need to do it manually |
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| 08:13.34 | liable | Dakishi: ok, so do it. its not hard.. |
| 08:13.37 | Dakishi | it detects my eth0, but says it cannot use it |
| 08:13.50 | Coke | Dakishi: you don't have to configure for the DHCP |
| 08:13.51 | Dakishi | i try using PPPOECONF |
| 08:14.02 | Dakishi | and it fails |
| 08:14.06 | Coke | liable: and what the heck does the router have to do with the DNS? most likely it is provided by his ISP who gave him the modem. |
| 08:14.20 | Coke | PPP? |
| 08:14.22 | liable | Dakishi: go into your routers config, and tell it to give dhcp |
| 08:14.26 | Coke | Dakishi: didn't you have an ADSL modem? |
| 08:14.37 | Dakishi | Coke, yes i got one |
| 08:14.46 | Dakishi | liable, how do i do that? |
| 08:14.50 | Coke | liable: his router isn't the one to serve DHCP, his ISP is. |
| 08:14.58 | Coke | Dakishi: never mind liable |
| 08:15.02 | liable | Coke: bah, ok whatever. |
| 08:15.21 | liable | Coke: you have never seen a router that does dhcp? |
| 08:15.40 | Dakishi | is iyt posible for me to get a desktop and configure the ADSL from ther and then downloding package i need? |
| 08:15.43 | Coke | liable: no, a router routes packages, a DHCP server does DHCP. if you happen to have a machine that does both, fine. |
| 08:15.59 | Coke | however, Dakishi probably has the DHCP service covered by his ISP. |
| 08:16.13 | Coke | Dakishi: you don't configure ADSL. |
| 08:16.17 | SaadFarooqui | Hi |
| 08:16.21 | Coke | Dakishi: what is the _exact_ error message you get? |
| 08:16.43 | SaadFarooqui | can anyone one guide me on How to change the screen resolotion |
| 08:16.44 | Coke | liable: by packages I mean TCP packets... sorry. |
| 08:16.55 | Dakishi | Coke, it says that he detected a eth0, but it cannot conect to internet, that i need to check cables or another PPPORCONF is using it |
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| 08:17.07 | liable | Coke: just about any of the shelf router gives dhcp leases... |
| 08:17.10 | Coke | Dakishi: why is PPP being used at all? |
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| 08:17.28 | Coke | liable: yeah, but this is not LAN, this is the Internet. |
| 08:17.28 | Dakishi | Coke, i dont know what you asking.... |
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| 08:17.50 | liable | ok, I give in. |
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| 08:17.56 | Coke | Dakishi: have you selected a form of connection? Does the installer ask you how you wish to connect and you somehow chose PPP? |
| 08:18.01 | FreekNL | hi all, where can I find more about ''scripting with fdisk''? (irc channel, or howto for example) |
| 08:18.06 | cn | how can to identify dev used by bluethoot? |
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| 08:18.18 | Dakishi | Coke, nope i run it from shell, i cancel all autoconfiguration |
| 08:18.27 | Coke | Dakishi: why? |
| 08:18.33 | FreekNL | for example changing filetypes (from 0x83 to 0xFD) for de md driver |
| 08:18.47 | Dakishi | Coke, cause when it autoconfigure it set 255.0.0.0 and it needs to be 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:19.05 | Coke | Dakishi: you can chaneg that later. |
| 08:19.22 | Dakishi | Coke, ive tried with the echo command, but still same |
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| 08:19.37 | Coke | Dakishi: what the heck has "echo" to do with this? |
| 08:19.49 | launch | how we jump from resolution to another please |
| 08:19.56 | Dakishi | Coke, and when i ping my isp it works but when i ping another comp it cannot conect |
| 08:19.57 | Coke | Dakishi: I recommend you use the default installation scheme. |
| 08:20.16 | Dakishi | Coke, thats what another guy telled me 2 do |
| 08:20.28 | Dakishi | Coke: where do i get it? |
| 08:20.30 | Coke | Dakishi: what other computer? Do you have several networks? how does your topology look? do you block any essential ports on your router? |
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| 08:20.47 | Coke | Dakishi: the net install, just follow the instructions. |
| 08:20.47 | Dakishi | Coke, by default all ports all blocked |
| 08:20.48 | launch | how we jump from resolution to another please |
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| 08:21.01 | Dakishi | are bloked* |
| 08:21.04 | liable | launch: dont repeat, read /topic |
| 08:21.12 | liable | !drxx launch |
| 08:21.13 | dpkg | launch: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:21.13 | Coke | Dakishi: well, if all ports are blocked you can't get DHCP communication either. |
| 08:21.37 | Dakishi | Coke, when i configure my moden ISP opens necesary ports |
| 08:21.48 | launch | i talk about the key serie |
| 08:21.49 | Coke | Dakishi: so it's not YOUR router? |
| 08:22.03 | Coke | Dakishi: and you shouldn't need to configure your modem. |
| 08:22.07 | Dakishi | Coke, it is my router but this country doesnt know how to do things |
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| 08:22.39 | Dakishi | Cokem cause in manual it says that it should auto conect without probs |
| 08:22.42 | Dakishi | COke* |
| 08:22.56 | Coke | Dakishi: and it will unless you tell it you want to do it manually. |
| 08:23.22 | Coke | Dakishi: just run the net installer and answer all the questions. do not choose PPP if aksed, choose LAN/ASDL or something that isn't dial-up. |
| 08:23.30 | Dakishi | Coke, hhmmm maybe i am getting a cheap manual, to be sure can you pass me the web site... |
| 08:23.35 | tarzeau | Coke: i'll check the nfs faq then |
| 08:23.55 | Coke | Dakishi: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
| 08:24.09 | Dakishi | Coke, ok ill give it a try |
| 08:24.10 | Coke | Dakishi: I'm pressuming you are running a i386-compatible architecture. |
| 08:24.17 | Dakishi | Coke, yes |
| 08:24.22 | FreekNL | is there an irc channel for any of the gpl fdisks (like cfdisk, sfdisk or fdisk) ? |
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| 08:25.10 | liable | Dakishi: what kind of router do you have? |
| 08:25.15 | Coke | geesh. not even just pressing enter is easy enough these days. |
| 08:25.38 | Dakishi | liable, speedstream 5660 |
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| 08:28.07 | liable | Dakishi: you have a modem too? doesnt it have one built in? |
| 08:28.53 | Dakishi | liable, yes an integrated LTwinmoden 56K |
| 08:29.11 | Dakishi | liable, but ive heard that linux doesnt support, it needs an external one |
| 08:29.58 | liable | Dakishi: no, I mean you have isp>modem>router>computer? |
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| 08:31.13 | kelv | !tell dakishi about winmodem |
| 08:31.17 | Dakishi | liable, i am not really sure but as i can see i got, isp?router?ethcomp |
| 08:31.25 | FreekNL | SPAM?: any ever interested in fdisk, read this: http://www.fdisk.it/ ;-) |
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| 08:32.39 | Dakishi | Kelv, how am i supposed to install the winmodem if i am in the middle of debian installation XP |
| 08:33.06 | liable | Dakishi: type 10.0.0.1 in your browser. |
| 08:33.14 | kelv | Dakishi, just telling you that you're wrong that debian doesn't support |
| 08:33.28 | Guerin | actually |
| 08:33.35 | Dakishi | kelv, oh i see, sorry my bad |
| 08:33.43 | Dakishi | laible, and then? |
| 08:33.53 | Guerin | it's prefectly correct to say that debian doesn't support winmodems, since they require firmware which isn't dfsg-free |
| 08:34.01 | liable | do you get the config page for your router? |
| 08:34.10 | liable | Guerin: wrong |
| 08:34.16 | Dakishi | liable, yes sir |
| 08:34.26 | Guerin | liable: oh? |
| 08:34.34 | liable | Dakishi: is it set to give dhcp |
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| 08:34.51 | drc | :/ |
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| 08:34.53 | drc | hi |
| 08:35.08 | liable | Guerin: well, for mine, i can use snd-intel8x0m instead of the slmodem module. :) |
| 08:35.22 | Dakishi | liiable, the first thing i saw that DCHP s included is this , DHCP Server on routerEnabled |
| 08:35.35 | Dakishi | let me try getting more info |
| 08:35.44 | liable | Dakishi: ok, thats what you want. |
| 08:36.24 | liable | Guerin: so no more tainted kernels ;) |
| 08:36.32 | Dakishi | liable, and what exactly am i looking on the DHCP? |
| 08:36.42 | SaadFarooqui | can any body help me |
| 08:36.54 | SaadFarooqui | i need to change the resoloution o my screen |
| 08:37.04 | liable | Dakishi: as long as its enabled thats all really. |
| 08:37.17 | drc | !tell SaadFarooqui ask |
| 08:37.19 | Guerin | liable: ok, that's one kind of winmodem. What flavour? |
| 08:37.38 | SaadFarooqui | how can I change the screen resol |
| 08:37.38 | liable | Guerin: um, shit hang on. |
| 08:37.41 | drc | pff :/ |
| 08:37.49 | drc | SaadFarooqui: XFree86 or xorg? |
| 08:37.54 | SaadFarooqui | its currently set to 640*480 |
| 08:37.56 | Dakishi | liable, but then it is always enable, then what do i got to do keeping in mind that muy DHCP is enable to install debian? |
| 08:38.05 | liable | Guerin: agere |
| 08:38.09 | SaadFarooqui | please explain what did u just ask |
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| 08:38.23 | SaadFarooqui | its my first day at ubuntu and any linux |
| 08:38.25 | drc | hmm :P |
| 08:38.27 | drc | ok |
| 08:38.41 | liable | Guerin: I am pretty sure it works with several others too. |
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| 08:38.54 | FreekNL | drc: xorg (default ubuntu) is most likely |
| 08:38.55 | Dakishi | saad, try using CTRL and the + and - in the number pad |
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| 08:39.05 | SaadFarooqui | ok |
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| 08:39.15 | Guerin | SaadFarooqui: try asking #ubuntu |
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| 08:39.25 | drc | FreekNL: ok |
| 08:39.38 | SaadFarooqui | what is #ubuntu |
| 08:39.39 | DeadLine | hi, what package do i need to get for the 'unrar' command? |
| 08:39.49 | drc | SaadFarooqui: a channel for the distribution you are using |
| 08:39.49 | Guerin | DeadLine: unrar |
| 08:39.52 | Dakishi | saadfaroooqui, the help chat of your linux |
| 08:39.54 | liable | Dakishi: it should get an ip when the installer detects the network. |
| 08:40.01 | DeadLine | Guerin: its not available |
| 08:40.04 | SaadFarooqui | how will I go there |
| 08:40.05 | FreekNL | SaadFarooqui: dont know exactly but you can find an option somewhere in the 'start' menu in the left top corner of your screen saying something about it in 'system administration' or something |
| 08:40.10 | Guerin | !acs unrar |
| 08:40.11 | dpkg | apt-cache search unrar |
| 08:40.17 | drc | SaadFarooqui: write /join #ubuntu |
| 08:40.18 | FreekNL | SaadFarooqui "/join #ubuntu" |
| 08:40.24 | SaadFarooqui | ok |
| 08:40.26 | Dakishi | SaadFarooqui, yeah what freekNl said |
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| 08:40.31 | FreekNL | SaadFarooqui: good luck |
| 08:40.53 | CountZ | I have a sarge box who lost its grub boot loader, I loaded the cdrom and booted into the installer - now what? |
| 08:40.57 | Dakishi | liable, and then what if it doesnt get an ip, what could i do in that case? |
| 08:41.02 | CountZ | that lost |
| 08:41.12 | Dakishi | laible, install another OS? |
| 08:41.17 | liable | Dakishi: no |
| 08:41.17 | DeadLine | Guerin: im not dumb. like i told you 'unrar' is not there |
| 08:41.21 | FreekNL | CountZ do you have a rescue cd, eg. knoppix? |
| 08:41.24 | drc | CountZ: I think that you need to install the grub again :) |
| 08:41.25 | liable | Dakishi: it doesnt get one? |
| 08:41.28 | CountZ | FreekNL: no |
| 08:41.30 | Guerin | DeadLine: does anything come up when you search on it? |
| 08:41.36 | DeadLine | Guerin: no |
| 08:41.43 | Guerin | !find unrar |
| 08:41.44 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'unrar' (2): unrar ;; unrar-free. |
| 08:41.48 | Dakishi | liable, yeah if it happens not to get an IP, what should i do? |
| 08:41.50 | FreekNL | CountZ you sould always have one ;-), the debian install cd than? |
| 08:41.54 | CountZ | drc: I know, but how? I entered a shell, I managed to mount the drive to /mnt but now what? |
| 08:41.56 | Guerin | DeadLine: what branch of debian? |
| 08:41.59 | drc | yeah a livecd would be nice to recover it |
| 08:42.03 | CountZ | FreekNL: Yes I booted the debian install CD |
| 08:42.05 | DeadLine | Guerin: sarge |
| 08:42.10 | CountZ | FreekNL: I am now in a shell |
| 08:42.22 | liable | Dakishi: just put in 10.0.0.2, netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 10.0.0.1 |
| 08:42.22 | s_ward | it's in non-free isn't it? (unrar) |
| 08:42.27 | Guerin | !info unrar-free |
| 08:42.28 | FreekNL | CountZ great! first: mount your /boot partition |
| 08:42.30 | DeadLine | Guerin: apt-get install tells me that it is referred to by another package |
| 08:42.34 | dpkg | unrar-free: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 08:42.36 | Guerin | SaadFarooqui: unrar is; unrar-free is in main |
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| 08:42.45 | Dakishi | liable, and what command i need to use to config? |
| 08:42.48 | drc | btw, why isn't it possible to install only the bootloader from debian install cd? |
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| 08:42.59 | Guerin | drc: it is |
| 08:43.00 | CountZ | FreekNL: It's in the first partition, and that's mounted |
| 08:43.08 | Guerin | !find unrar sarge |
| 08:43.10 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 08:43.11 | CountZ | FreekNL: I also chrooted to /mnt so now /boot is in the root |
| 08:43.14 | drc | Guerin: I didn't find out how, in the installer |
| 08:43.22 | Guerin | drc: boot into expert |
| 08:43.23 | FreekNL | CountZ: , good, now read (preferably print or write down your /boot/grub/menu.lst) |
| 08:43.34 | drc | Guerin: ahh, yeah. |
| 08:43.35 | Guerin | DeadLine: unrar is in sarge; your sources might be broken. |
| 08:43.43 | liable | Dakishi: if it doesnt get an ip, the installer will ask you for that information |
| 08:43.49 | CountZ | FreekNL: ok... sec. |
| 08:44.03 | FreekNL | DeadLine: maybe your sources.list does not contain 'non-free' ? |
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| 08:44.08 | Dakishi | liable, i see, ok, do i need to have another thing in mind before installing? |
| 08:44.17 | liable | Dakishi: http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:ctJRxD9cK60J:help.expedient.net/download/docs/5600qs.pdf+speedstream+5660+manual&hl=en |
| 08:44.22 | Guerin | FreekNL: oh, that'll be it, for sarge |
| 08:44.24 | liable | Dakishi: thats for your router |
| 08:44.54 | liable | Dakishi: you have only one box? |
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| 08:45.10 | Dakishi | laible, i dont understand what you mean with one box |
| 08:45.16 | CountZ | FreekNL: Problem is that under the chrooted environment, /dev/sda1 or even /dev/sda are incorrect |
| 08:45.23 | liable | Dakishi: only one computer? |
| 08:45.29 | CountZ | FreekNL: grub is set for hd(0,0) |
| 08:45.38 | FreekNL | fdisk question: how do I (without interaction, thus from a script) tell all may partitions to change their partition type from 0x83 to 0xFD (for mdadm raid usage)? |
| 08:45.43 | liable | !tell Dakishi about nicktab |
| 08:45.54 | FreekNL | CountZ ok, that is one important thing, but where is your kernel and initrd? |
| 08:46.07 | CountZ | FreekNL: they are in /boot with links from / |
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| 08:46.15 | FreekNL | CountZ write that down too (exact names) |
| 08:46.16 | CountZ | FreekNL: And they are set correctly in menu.lst |
| 08:46.20 | CountZ | ok |
| 08:46.29 | Dakishi | Liable, yes only on computer |
| 08:46.57 | Dakishi | liable: cool, thx for the nick tab thing |
| 08:47.01 | liable | Dakishi: ok, just asking because if you run into trouble. |
| 08:47.41 | Dakishi | liable: yeah thats what iu am scared of, cause if i get stuck i need to reformat and install other OS to ask about my probs -_- |
| 08:47.47 | FreekNL | CountZ btw: what exactly do you see when you boot your system without cd? |
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| 08:48.09 | liable | Dakishi: get a knoppix cd, you can irc from that :) |
| 08:48.43 | CountZ | FreekNL: checking |
| 08:48.43 | Dakishi | liable: knoppix it is so sweet XP but it is 600 Mb, i should get it again =P |
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| 08:49.12 | liable | Dakishi: its a good thing to have handy. |
| 08:49.31 | Dakishi | liable: yeah but it is a bafd thing to have brother =) that breaks your cds |
| 08:49.46 | CountZ | FreekNL: I agree |
| 08:49.46 | CountZ | ;-) |
| 08:49.56 | CountZ | FreekNL: Anyway it remains silent, no activity, no messages |
| 08:50.10 | FreekNL | after bios? |
| 08:50.12 | CountZ | yes |
| 08:50.14 | SimonRaven | a knoppix cd isn't backups, it's a rescue medium |
| 08:50.19 | destiny | is aptitude worth installing? |
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| 08:50.24 | SimonRaven | backups are backups |
| 08:50.29 | CountZ | yah and I would very much enjoy that rescue medium right now ;-) |
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| 08:50.39 | YaleR | destiny: what do you usually use? |
| 08:50.39 | FreekNL | bios loads, hd's are detected and there is only a black hole after that? |
| 08:50.49 | CountZ | FreekNL: yes |
| 08:50.57 | liable | SimonRaven: um, where was it stated it was? |
| 08:51.00 | Dakishi | liable: eehhh by the way if i succed installing debian, what command and what package i need to get and know? |
| 08:51.11 | apfel | I want to make some changes to a document written in M$ word with open office 1.1.3. I found edit/changes/record so I can keep track of the actual changes. Does the M$ word user also see this changes (highlighted somehow)? |
| 08:51.17 | FreekNL | CountZ: ok, now insert your knoppix cd ;-) (or the install cd, see if that works too) |
| 08:51.30 | CountZ | FreekNL: install cd inserted and at prompt |
| 08:51.37 | apfel | Or is there a better approach? |
| 08:51.40 | liable | !ig |
| 08:51.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 08:51.46 | CountZ | FreekNL: what's the format of the line? |
| 08:51.46 | liable | Dakishi: ^^ |
| 08:51.51 | FreekNL | CountZ: load install cd, open shell, mount /root partititon and see if the command 'grub-install' exists |
| 08:52.00 | Coke | apfel: all you need to know is that MS Word is not a standard and that Microsoft isn't supporting the file format outside of MS Office. |
| 08:52.16 | Coke | apfel: the best aproach is to not use non-standard file formats. |
| 08:52.22 | CountZ | FreekNL: it exists but it does not find the drive because the /dev/sda device is not properly set |
| 08:52.29 | Dakishi | liable: so much info, but at same time i see nothing, cause i dont understand whats woody or sarge =D |
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| 08:52.41 | liable | Dakishi: sarge is what you install. |
| 08:52.50 | FreekNL | CountZ are you booted, / mounted ? |
| 08:53.17 | CountZ | FreekNL: yes |
| 08:53.25 | Dakishi | liable: by the way where are you from? |
| 08:53.26 | CountZ | FreekNL: want me to chroot /mnt? |
| 08:53.32 | liable | Dakishi: .au |
| 08:53.38 | apfel | Coke: I totally agree with you but unfortunately the friend of mine is not that comfortable with computers so that she would switch to ooffice or even better LaTeX. :( |
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| 08:53.50 | Dakishi | liable: australia? |
| 08:53.54 | liable | yeah |
| 08:54.09 | Dakishi | cool |
| 08:54.10 | CountZ | FreekNL: grub-install is in /mnt/sbin/ |
| 08:54.47 | FreekNL | CountZ: try: 'grub-install --root-directory=/dev/sda' (or specifie your the disk you wish to boot from) |
| 08:54.58 | liable | Dakishi: anyway, read the install guide, have a go, and if it all turns to shit, boot with knoppix, and ask for help. |
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| 08:55.58 | Dakishi | liable: big prob need to download knoppix again XP, and if i maange to do i know that you will not be here, can i get some kind of contact like email, or yahoo? |
| 08:55.59 | orangey | hey all! |
| 08:56.06 | drc | hi |
| 08:56.06 | orangey | can somebody recommend good mailing list management software? |
| 08:56.22 | liable | Dakishi: no, theres lots of people here all the time. |
| 08:56.26 | apfel | Coke: Do you know what happens if I do make changes with the record function of ooffice? Is it still possible to read the file with word? |
| 08:56.28 | flok420 | orangey: minimalist |
| 08:56.32 | CountZ | FreekNL: it says /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drives |
| 08:56.39 | Dakishi | liable: ok |
| 08:56.51 | FreekNL | CountZ and /dev/sda is your first disk |
| 08:56.56 | drc | orangey: I know nothing about them but don't every email prog do that? |
| 08:56.59 | FreekNL | CountZ: do you have a ide disk as well? |
| 08:57.02 | Guerin | orangey: gnu mailman is supposed to be the shit |
| 08:57.11 | drc | orangey: like mozilla thunderbird? |
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| 08:57.22 | Guerin | drc: i rather doubt he means a mail client |
| 08:57.31 | drc | Guerin: ahh,k |
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| 08:57.41 | orangey | i'm using mailman, but I find it inaccessible to many people unless I modify the web pages heavily (i.e., make them more graphical) |
| 08:57.55 | CountZ | FreekNL: it does not find //sbin/grub |
| 08:57.55 | orangey | drc: different management : ) |
| 08:57.58 | Coke | apfel: might be, might not be. it all depends on how well the reverse engeineering is done. the only thing I know is that Microsoft does not want competition. |
| 08:58.11 | Guerin | orangey: why? |
| 08:58.12 | CountZ | FreekNL: there is no other drive |
| 08:58.14 | drc | orangey: did you find anything with google? |
| 08:58.17 | CountZ | FreekNL: Just one SATA drive |
| 08:58.21 | orangey | drc: not really.. |
| 08:58.23 | CountZ | FreekNL: And of course the cdrom |
| 08:58.27 | drc | :( |
| 08:58.32 | FreekNL | anyone: does the debian boot cd support GRUB? |
| 08:58.42 | apfel | Coke: Alas! Thanks for your help. |
| 08:58.44 | Guerin | orangey: just because they don't have shiny icons going 'clik here 4 more msgs lol' |
| 08:58.46 | orangey | Guerin: why? default pages aren't pretty.. no search function, |
| 08:59.06 | Guerin | orangey: ok. you could look at lurker |
| 08:59.10 | Guerin | !lurker |
| 08:59.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, lurker is a great web interface to mailing lists. Lurk on debian's mailing list archives at http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/splash/index.en.html |
| 08:59.26 | Guerin | orangey: i thought you meant the backend |
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| 08:59.34 | FreekNL | CountZ: you could boot your system from any cd (temporary sollution untill you find a way to install grub from an other rescue cd for example) wich uses grub (debian from scratch for example) |
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| 09:00.04 | Dakishi | by the way is there a page with a whole list of commands that an user can print? |
| 09:00.31 | Guerin | Dakishi: in what context |
| 09:00.31 | Guerin | ? |
| 09:00.34 | orangey | Guerin: OK, that's a very reasonable way of doing it. |
| 09:00.34 | drc | Dakishi: for bash yeah |
| 09:00.43 | drc | Dakishi: www.ss64.com or something similar |
| 09:00.48 | orangey | It would be especially handy since I wouldn't have to import the messages.. |
| 09:00.51 | liable | !refcard |
| 09:00.51 | dpkg | i heard refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 09:00.57 | CountZ | FreekNL: can you give me the format? linux ... boot=/... |
| 09:00.59 | orangey | Guerin: any similar projects? |
| 09:01.00 | liable | Dakishi: ^^ |
| 09:01.09 | Dakishi | Guerin: mmmm you know all that useful lcomands |
| 09:01.10 | drc | Dakishi: http://www.ss64.com/bash/index.html <- is this what you mean? |
| 09:01.13 | FreekNL | CountZ: : http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ download the latest, boot the cd and enter the info you wrote down from your menu.lst et voila (your system boots), from within you system you can retry the 'grub-install' or update-grub again. |
| 09:01.14 | CountZ | FreekNL: once booted, I will easily fix it |
| 09:01.17 | Guerin | orangey: plenty. lists.debian.org uses mhonarc |
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| 09:01.51 | Guerin | bash shell commands aren't much use unless you know bash. I think what you want are the names and --help pages of some common programs |
| 09:01.59 | SimonRaven | i wish i could find one that uses ldap without the the overhead of some sql db |
| 09:02.14 | Guerin | there's no package or easy reference containing this, but it'd be trivial to make |
| 09:02.16 | FreekNL | CountZ: cant you just type 'rescue root=/dev/sda1' at the sarge boot cd prompt? (type F2 or F3 to see availiable options) |
| 09:02.40 | CountZ | FreekNL: there's no rescue option, there's linux, linux26, expert, expert26 |
| 09:02.54 | orangey | Guerin: I'm seriously struggling to find a decent list of these programs.. any suggestions? "mailman lurker" or "mailman interface" just don't cut it ; ) |
| 09:03.03 | FreekNL | CountZ no 'rescue' or 'rescue26' ?! |
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| 09:03.18 | FreekNL | shit, thats crappy |
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| 09:03.25 | bob2 | er |
| 09:03.28 | bob2 | boot the installer |
| 09:03.31 | orangey | Guerin: actually, mhonarc seems like the shit. |
| 09:03.31 | bob2 | run the installer |
| 09:03.35 | bob2 | get to the partition stage |
| 09:03.38 | bob2 | switch to vt2 |
| 09:03.39 | liable | CountZ: just boot it then and get a term after hardware detection.. |
| 09:03.41 | bob2 | enjoy! |
| 09:03.47 | orangey | Guerin: on account of it being apparently easy to modify |
| 09:03.52 | Dakishi | Guerin and drc, thank you guys |
| 09:03.56 | Guerin | orangey: nope, don't know of a list. just try lots of mailing list web archives and find out what they use |
| 09:03.57 | SimonRaven | yeh, really. ash even has tab completion enabled |
| 09:04.09 | Dakishi | liable: thanks |
| 09:04.15 | FreekNL | liable and than chroot, or what? |
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| 09:04.18 | CountZ | liable: then what? |
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| 09:05.02 | liable | hang on, let me see what you are trying to do :) just joined halfway through the convo |
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| 09:05.36 | liable | well, just run grub, |
| 09:05.41 | CountZ | no good |
| 09:05.53 | CountZ | I have to chroot /mnt for grub to properly find its directories and libraries |
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| 09:06.05 | CountZ | and then it says /dev/sda does not have a corresponding bios drive |
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| 09:07.32 | liable | allright, mkdir /rescue && mount /dev/sda/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part? /rescue && chroot /rescue |
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| 09:07.58 | CountZ | liable: done that |
| 09:07.59 | liable | err |
| 09:08.07 | CountZ | liable: It is mounted and is now / |
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| 09:08.20 | liable | CountZ: and grub still fails/ |
| 09:08.22 | liable | ? |
| 09:08.28 | CountZ | yes |
| 09:08.42 | CountZ | :-\ |
| 09:08.48 | zuen | how do you stop over-write /etc/resolv.conf? i'm using dhcpd on this machine. i want to use a static NS. |
| 09:08.51 | CountZ | it says /dev/sda does not have a corresponding bios drive |
| 09:08.57 | zuen | eh. dhcp* |
| 09:09.07 | liable | CountZ: how did this come about? |
| 09:09.15 | liable | CountZ: bad mb? |
| 09:09.33 | CountZ | there used to be a windows drive on that box |
| 09:09.37 | CountZ | grub installed itself there |
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| 09:09.42 | CountZ | that windows drive is now gone... |
| 09:09.46 | CountZ | so there's no bootloader |
| 09:10.13 | liable | CountZ: did you move the linux drive to primary? |
| 09:10.22 | liable | master.. |
| 09:10.22 | CountZ | liable: yes |
| 09:10.26 | CountZ | it's SATA |
| 09:10.30 | CountZ | but yes it is primary |
| 09:10.43 | CountZ | host0, scsi0, lun0... |
| 09:10.55 | liable | CountZ: can you set it to pata in bios? |
| 09:11.01 | CountZ | hm... :-\ |
| 09:11.01 | liable | or whatever.. |
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| 09:11.06 | CountZ | no |
| 09:11.11 | CountZ | no such option in the bios |
| 09:11.19 | liable | theres no option at all in bios? |
| 09:11.26 | CountZ | not to set it to PATA |
| 09:11.37 | TerminX | that doesn't even make sense.. |
| 09:11.45 | dimir | zuen: ask dhcp server admin to make a special section in dhcp server configuration for you machine which will contain specified DNS server |
| 09:11.46 | liable | legacy ata? |
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| 09:12.18 | CountZ | ah there |
| 09:12.22 | CountZ | ok I set it to PATA now |
| 09:12.38 | liable | I confuse myself sometimes :) |
| 09:12.49 | liable | bad memory.. |
| 09:13.01 | dimir | zuen: or add a script that will replace the resolv.conf file automatically on boot after Network configuration |
| 09:13.31 | zuen | dimir: im using a Dlink router. i did specific a static NS to use on this machine but on /etc/resolv.conf, it has a line 'search' on top and whenever i do 'host hp.com' it just halt and timeout and it will resolve immediate after i delete away the word 'search' |
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| 09:13.53 | zuen | of course the workaround can't be me deleting the 'search' word everytime it can't resolve :P |
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| 09:15.51 | CountZ | liable: no good, it does not see the drive when I set it to PATA |
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| 09:16.24 | noisecontrol | Hi |
| 09:16.37 | noisecontrol | I've had debian installed for a few hours now |
| 09:16.43 | dimir | zuen: you should be able to disable the 'search' option, don't you? |
| 09:16.47 | noisecontrol | I'm looking for some cool stuff to do with it |
| 09:16.56 | liable | CountZ: fucker.. dunno then. you booted 2.6? |
| 09:17.04 | dimir | zuen: in the router. |
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| 09:17.16 | noisecontrol | I tried a couple things |
| 09:17.26 | noisecontrol | I tried one of the media players |
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| 09:17.44 | CountZ | liable: I get the same stuff with 26 |
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| 09:18.00 | noisecontrol | it's called music player |
| 09:18.10 | noisecontrol | All I can get with it is a hip hop station |
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| 09:18.34 | noisecontrol | I also tried to install realplayer, but I still need to read about it |
| 09:19.01 | mwilson | Something "cool" to do with it? |
| 09:19.14 | mwilson | Why would someone install Linux if he didn't need it? |
| 09:19.26 | noisecontrol | LOL - To learn it |
| 09:19.33 | liable | CountZ: that sucks ass. should work.. theres gotta be some way to do it.. otherwise you couldnt have installed. |
| 09:19.39 | mwilson | Uh, huh. Yeah. Right. |
| 09:19.42 | noisecontrol | I've got Debian and Win2k |
| 09:19.50 | Fabsmad | I've got a file.bin. I set its perm to rwx, but when I do ./file.bin the shell return "bash: ./file.bin: cannot execute binary file". Why? |
| 09:19.56 | zuen | dimir: nope. i don't see that option. given only two field related: Primary/Secondary DNS. |
| 09:20.10 | noisecontrol | Managed not to kill Win2k while installing |
| 09:20.14 | mwilson | Fabsmad: It's not an executable. |
| 09:20.15 | zuen | dimir: and anothe option "DNS relay" i choose NO for it. |
| 09:20.29 | noisecontrol | I spend a lot of time hanging out at #wikipedia |
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| 09:20.37 | CountZ | liable: true. |
| 09:20.38 | Fabsmad | mwilson: so, ehat have I to do? |
| 09:20.44 | Fabsmad | what |
| 09:20.45 | CountZ | liable: i'm researching google some more about this |
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| 09:21.14 | noisecontrol | BTW - that dpkg-reconfigure worked to help me get the video set up |
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| 09:21.27 | mwilson | Fabsmad: I have no idea. You don't describe what it is, you don't describe where you got it, you don't detail if it came with any instructions. What do you expect someone to say? Use file(1) on it and figure out what it is. |
| 09:21.30 | liable | CountZ: um, did you just try grub, after altering the bios? without mounting? |
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| 09:22.00 | noisecontrol | I'm gonna go browse the news for the morning |
| 09:22.06 | liable | jesus, I need a lesson in puntuation. :) |
| 09:22.08 | noisecontrol | Thanks for the help guys |
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| 09:22.59 | CountZ | liable: I can enter the grub shell but then what? |
| 09:23.47 | Vikki | hi all. has anyone created a boot disk for noppix? I'm trying to run it on my mum's unwell PC and it won't read from the CD drive on startup |
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| 09:24.14 | liable | CountZ: root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) |
| 09:24.16 | CountZ | liable: some bloke on google says to edit /boot/grub/device.map and to edit the entry for hd0 |
| 09:24.34 | liable | CountZ: on seperate lines.. |
| 09:24.42 | liable | CountZ: then quit.. |
| 09:24.45 | Fabsmad | mwilson: thanks a lot for your help. Considering that I'm a newbye and I try to use my linux debian at best of my possibilities, meet people like you is a pleausure! My file is "so-7-ga-bin-linux-en.bin" is from the staroffice package. I'd like to install it. This is all. |
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| 09:25.02 | liable | CountZ: thats if its partiton 1 |
| 09:25.11 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 09:25.25 | CountZ | thank god it's working! |
| 09:25.31 | mwilson | Snide remarks, because someone isn't a mind reader. |
| 09:25.37 | CountZ | but now it can not find pivot_root |
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| 09:26.04 | Fabsmad | file return: data |
| 09:26.31 | FreekNL | CountZ: if grub is installed you are halfway there |
| 09:26.33 | dimir | zuen: I think you can try playing with the dhclient configuration (/etc/dhclient.conf). Maybe an domain-name option or something. |
| 09:26.49 | CountZ | FreekNL: yep, it is installed, but now what? it panics... |
| 09:26.55 | CountZ | it starts loading the kernel |
| 09:27.01 | dimir | zuen: this could affect the 'search' option in resolv.conf . |
| 09:27.03 | FreekNL | CountZ now enter the info from the menu.lst you wrote down on the grub shell |
| 09:27.09 | CountZ | but can not find pivot_root so it can not find /dev/console and panics |
| 09:27.12 | FreekNL | CountZ: in a way grub understands.. |
| 09:27.20 | CountZ | FreekNL: It is already written there |
| 09:27.27 | liable | CountZ: ya, you need to change the menu.lst |
| 09:27.36 | CountZ | FreekNL: It properly loaded the original information from menu.lst |
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| 09:27.41 | CountZ | liable: change what? |
| 09:27.48 | FreekNL | CountZ best thing would be to look at an example menu.lst and enter this on the grub shell |
| 09:27.49 | CountZ | isn't this some initrd problem? |
| 09:28.02 | liable | CountZ: but it still points to the old position where it was.. |
| 09:28.22 | liable | CountZ: paste the relevant kernel line to #flood |
| 09:28.27 | CountZ | funny |
| 09:28.27 | FreekNL | CountZ you should enter info like |
| 09:28.30 | FreekNL | root (hd0,0) |
| 09:28.30 | FreekNL | kernel /vmlinux-2.6.12 root=/dev/sda1 |
| 09:28.30 | FreekNL | boot |
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| 09:28.35 | CountZ | I removed the root= parameter now the system loads |
| 09:29.07 | FreekNL | CountZ without panics? |
| 09:29.12 | CountZ | yep |
| 09:29.32 | FreekNL | CountZ now indeed (as liable said) alter your menu.lst to match whatever you entered on the grub shell to make this permanent |
| 09:29.38 | CountZ | for some weird weird reason it is now trying to load an appletalk service!!? :-) |
| 09:29.39 | CountZ | LOL |
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| 09:29.58 | CountZ | FreekNL: well it seems like it does not like root=/dev/sda1 although it is correct |
| 09:30.20 | Fabsmad | mwilson: when I do "file so-7-ga-bin-linux-en.bin" bash returns "data". Does this mean that I cannot use it to install star office? Help me! |
| 09:30.22 | liable | FreekNL: change your bios back |
| 09:30.50 | liable | oops |
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| 09:30.55 | liable | CountZ: ^^ |
| 09:31.04 | Mos0 | Hi everyone |
| 09:31.04 | liable | FreekNL: sorry |
| 09:31.06 | CountZ | ah, right |
| 09:31.06 | CountZ | sec |
| 09:31.08 | FreekNL | liable lol |
| 09:31.09 | AERUS | who here can speak rus ? |
| 09:31.20 | liable | !ru |
| 09:31.21 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 09:31.45 | dimir | :-) |
| 09:31.57 | AERUS | gg |
| 09:32.01 | AERUS | iasnen'ko |
| 09:32.18 | liable | AERUS: /j #debian-russian |
| 09:32.23 | AERUS | thx |
| 09:32.26 | Mos0 | i've downloaded yesterdays netinstall testing distribution |
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| 09:32.51 | Mos0 | and it loks like the partition manager doesnt work |
| 09:33.47 | liable | Mos0: if your lucky someone will help you. But why dont you just install sarge and upgrade? |
| 09:34.35 | Mos0 | will it be the same as if i installed the testing distribution? |
| 09:34.48 | liable | yes, of course. |
| 09:35.06 | mitten | while dist-upgrade aptitude stopped with bunch of errors on unable to load some libs and then I reboot and did aptitude install. Now on reboot I still dont see Debian 3.1 on login prompt. Its still same 3.0. Also X window just does not let me in on X login. I using rcconf disabled X and then startx from console......any clue how am I to make sure to get upgraded to 3.1 so then I can also upgrade to kernel 2.6 |
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| 09:35.18 | bfk42 | i have a very interesting issue |
| 09:35.29 | bfk42 | my server can not resolv names |
| 09:35.38 | bfk42 | altough i add name server lines to resolv.conf |
| 09:35.43 | bfk42 | it goes anyway |
| 09:35.50 | bfk42 | how can be possible? |
| 09:35.55 | liable | mitten: hmm, did you try dist-upgrade again? |
| 09:35.57 | Mos0 | well i had sarge but i wanted to make a clean eth install and i dont have it anymore :( |
| 09:36.20 | mitten | liable: I had done that once once only ...should I retry? |
| 09:36.46 | liable | mitten: yeah, see what happens. did you read all that stuff that the factoid gave you? |
| 09:36.59 | mitten | factoid? |
| 09:37.08 | liable | mitten: what dpkg told you :) |
| 09:37.33 | mitten | liable: it just told to do update and dist-upgrade....I did not read any thing more than that |
| 09:37.58 | mitten | liable: let me check with dpkg then .... |
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| 09:38.11 | Fabsmad | I've got a file.pdf. Using command "file" the outpt is "data". I cannot open it...why? |
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| 09:38.19 | liable | mitten: well it gives a url for the release notes, and also for the mailing list explaining about how it ffails for 30% of people.. |
| 09:39.07 | Mos0 | anybody knows about this eth netinstall issue? |
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| 09:39.24 | mitten | I read that 30% fail message but url for release notes seems to be not appearing |
| 09:40.14 | liable | mitten: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 09:40.40 | bfk42 | how can the lines in resolv.conf suddenly be deleted? |
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| 09:41.30 | moi_ | hi all, |
| 09:42.00 | moi_ | i'm searching for a command which reverses the output.. like line 1 become the top bottom line |
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| 09:42.32 | liable | bfk42: does it work if you put them back? |
| 09:42.48 | yaarg | moi_: tac |
| 09:43.01 | bfk42 | yes |
| 09:43.05 | yaarg | or there's other ways.. |
| 09:43.06 | bfk42 | but this not a solution :) |
| 09:43.25 | yaarg | perl -e 'print reverse <>' file |
| 09:43.34 | liable | bfk42: how does the box get an ip? is it static/ |
| 09:43.37 | yaarg | tail -r file |
| 09:43.43 | xbmodder | deadcat, |
| 09:43.44 | bfk42 | yes static |
| 09:43.45 | yaarg | sed/awk etc |
| 09:43.45 | liable | damn keyboard.. |
| 09:43.45 | xbmodder | hey, I made a little image resizer. The thing is it outputs the answer image as raw JPEG data. This is fine, but I want to add text instruction to that page. How do I do that? |
| 09:43.49 | moi_ | that's it yaarg, thanks |
| 09:44.17 | liable | bfk42: dunno what would have overwritten it then. sorry. |
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| 09:44.32 | bfk42 | hmm |
| 09:44.36 | bfk42 | ok |
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| 09:44.47 | bfk42 | can it be because i've modified the hosts file? |
| 09:44.58 | liable | no |
| 09:45.06 | bfk42 | i see i see |
| 09:45.12 | liable | why would that overwrite resolv? |
| 09:45.14 | mitten | liable: atually after getting errors on dist-upgrade I went ahead and did install....thats how I was able to get X working.... otherwise it was unable to find even libX11 |
| 09:45.27 | bfk42 | i dont know |
| 09:45.28 | pingouin | someone know how to burn APE file ?! |
| 09:45.36 | bfk42 | this is a very funny issue |
| 09:45.36 | liable | mitten: did you try it again? |
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| 09:45.44 | bfk42 | it can be because of anything |
| 09:45.49 | bfk42 | :P |
| 09:45.57 | liable | bfk42: it happens at reboot? |
| 09:46.02 | mitten | liable: I will...I was just reading that release notes...it says to remove all onhold packages... |
| 09:46.02 | bfk42 | nope |
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| 09:46.33 | Fabsmad | file.bin is a program; MIME: application/octet-stream; when I do ./file.bin bash returns "bash: ./so-7-ga-bin-linux-en.bin: cannot execute binary file", why? anyone could help me? |
| 09:46.34 | liable | bfk42: um, well when does it happen? |
| 09:46.51 | bfk42 | it happened 4 days ago |
| 09:46.52 | bfk42 | suddenly |
| 09:47.22 | liable | pebcak? |
| 09:47.53 | mitten | liable: let me just try dist-upgrade again... |
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| 09:48.44 | liable | hello |
| 09:48.44 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
| 09:49.06 | liable | hello |
| 09:49.07 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
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| 09:49.56 | bfk42 | well i think i've found some intersting documents about missing lines at resolv.conf |
| 09:50.46 | dimir | liable: you still can't help it, ha? :-) |
| 09:51.02 | liable | hehe, well, its slow.. :) |
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| 09:51.32 | SimonRaven | !pebcak |
| 09:51.32 | dpkg | i heard pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
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| 09:51.53 | dimir | usually they use pebkac |
| 09:51.56 | dimir | AFAIK |
| 09:52.03 | dimir | !pibkac |
| 09:52.07 | dimir | !pebkac |
| 09:52.07 | dpkg | i heard pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 09:52.09 | dimir | :-P |
| 09:52.22 | dimir | !PEBMAC |
| 09:52.23 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Mexico And Canada, or see pebcam. Problem Exists Between Mercury And Ceres |
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| 09:52.33 | dimir | monitor and chair |
| 09:52.39 | dimir | ! |
| 09:52.42 | dimir | !PICNIC |
| 09:52.42 | dpkg | picnic is probably Problem In Chair Not In Computer |
| 09:52.54 | dimir | !PEBRHAL |
| 09:52.54 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Right Hand And Left |
| 09:52.57 | liable | !bot abuse |
| 09:52.57 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
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| 09:53.06 | dimir | OK, OK, sorry ;-) |
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| 09:53.14 | liable | ooh, who changed that? |
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| 09:53.25 | SimonRaven | !factinfo bot abuse |
| 09:53.25 | dpkg | bot abuse -- created by NoNix4 <iheino@smaragdi.hut.fi> at Wed Feb 28 20:45:00 2001 (1628 days); last modified at Sat Mar 3 23:44:35 2001 by greycat!greg@wooledge.org; it has been requested 36 times, last by liable, 28s ago. |
| 09:53.35 | SimonRaven | er |
| 09:53.58 | liable | that cant be right.. |
| 09:54.08 | SimonRaven | i don't think so. must be borked again |
| 09:54.15 | pingouin | !ape |
| 09:54.15 | dpkg | i heard ape is see http://monkeysaudio.com - an inefficient and non-free lossless audio compression scheme which seems like it really was written by a monkey, and was developed on and for windows (and it shows). Sid debs are available from <rarewares>, but since there's only a decoder, not a player, it's basically only useful for decoding and re-encoding as flac. Did I mention how shit this is yet? |
| 09:54.54 | pingouin | !ape sarge |
| 09:55.01 | SimonRaven | yes you did, o bot of wonder |
| 09:55.03 | a_arcane | Im trying to login to a user using nis. When typing "ypcat passwd" i can see that the user is there, still i get failed login. What can be wrong? |
| 09:55.03 | delirium | I was updating my computer and it upgraded alsa. alsa-base was upgraded just fine, but to install alsa-utils some Gnome parts, hal and udev have to be deleted. Somebody know what's up with that ? |
| 09:55.18 | liable | hehe |
| 09:55.37 | SimonRaven | what's up is that you can stick it on hold until it's fixed, you clueless sid user you |
| 09:55.47 | liable | hah! |
| 09:55.58 | liable | :) |
| 09:55.58 | delirium | SimonRaven, are you talking to me ? |
| 09:56.04 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 09:56.16 | delirium | so I should not have upgraded then ? |
| 09:56.25 | liable | !sid faq |
| 09:56.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 09:56.35 | liable | delirium: read it.. |
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| 09:56.50 | delirium | ok, hold on |
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| 09:56.54 | ph8 | hey all |
| 09:56.59 | ph8 | is there a pkg that'll let me read pdfs? |
| 09:57.08 | SimonRaven | several |
| 09:57.33 | liable | ph8: are you Heff? |
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| 09:57.37 | ph8 | no? |
| 09:57.52 | liable | oh |
| 09:57.52 | ph8 | Heff as in a person or Heff as in unbelievably cool? :D |
| 09:57.56 | SimonRaven | no, just a wannabe. i wonder why someone would want to, however |
| 09:58.04 | delirium | liable, I'm not running sid or unstable or something, I upgrade only testing and stable packages |
| 09:58.05 | ph8 | I wannabe heff? ;) |
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| 09:58.09 | ph8 | confused++ |
| 09:58.25 | liable | 19:56 ::: ph8 [i=ph8@livin.it.up.in.theplayboymansion.net] has joined #debian |
| 09:58.25 | ph8 | SimonRaven: Can i get adobe reader? |
| 09:58.32 | ph8 | I understand |
| 09:58.39 | SimonRaven | ixing etch and sarge isn't a good idea |
| 09:58.40 | ph8 | I wish i was |
| 09:58.45 | ph8 | I just want his car |
| 09:58.45 | SimonRaven | m |
| 09:58.54 | ph8 | etch? |
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| 09:59.02 | SimonRaven | delirium: ^^^ |
| 09:59.12 | liable | delirium: so what are you actually running? |
| 09:59.20 | SimonRaven | ph8: this is #debian. if you want #windows, it's on efnet |
| 09:59.28 | w00ter | How do i start xfce4 ? I just did a clean install but there isn't a startx or a startxfce4 |
| 09:59.32 | lildude | he laible |
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| 09:59.42 | liable | lildude: hi |
| 09:59.42 | miag | how to fix double gnome-panel in debian? still can' t not fix it. |
| 09:59.50 | delirium | Debian Sarge, kernal 2.6.8, KDE, testing and stable updates from apt-get |
| 09:59.54 | lildude | do you run mirc irq on debian |
| 10:00.05 | ph8 | I wish |
| 10:00.07 | liable | ewww, no. |
| 10:00.08 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 10:00.08 | ph8 | I only have xchat |
| 10:00.08 | lildude | looks intersting |
| 10:00.16 | w00ter | lildude: mirc is a windows program. |
| 10:00.19 | liable | lildude: install xchat |
| 10:00.37 | w00ter | lildude: or kvirc (comes with kde) |
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| 10:00.45 | Guerin | you WISH you could run mirc? |
| 10:00.51 | Guerin | you sick motherfucker |
| 10:00.55 | w00ter | Now now |
| 10:00.56 | ph8 | I wish xchat would display channels on multiple lines |
| 10:00.59 | delirium | SimonRaven : is there something I can do to fix the situation ? |
| 10:01.01 | ph8 | then i'd be happy |
| 10:01.06 | SimonRaven | he's making me sick, hence the nausea |
| 10:01.08 | ph8 | i have to scroll across for ages to get to freenode |
| 10:01.08 | lildude | ok irq in kde could not freenode? |
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| 10:01.30 | liable | lildude: install xchat.. |
| 10:01.38 | w00ter | Anyway, i've apt-getted xcfe4 and have no clue how to start x |
| 10:01.41 | PerfDave | Konversation is a very nice IRC client |
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| 10:01.49 | PerfDave | Apart from the quit message ;) |
| 10:01.53 | lildude | liable how i install xchat? |
| 10:02.05 | SimonRaven | delirium: 1) don't mix sarge and etch 2) put stuff on hold until it's fixed. 3) didn't i just say this 5 minutes ago? |
| 10:02.10 | w00ter | I take it it solved all the dependencies, so i must have an x server, but i can't start it with startx. |
| 10:02.24 | liable | lildude: synaptic |
| 10:02.30 | lildude | ok |
| 10:02.34 | PerfDave | w00ter: You may need to use startxfce or something? |
| 10:02.37 | SimonRaven | xfce4 doesn't drag in the x server |
| 10:02.47 | delirium | SimonRaven : yes you did, but the damage has already been done, can't I do a rollback or something ? |
| 10:02.47 | w00ter | PerfDave: Ill have a lookse |
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| 10:02.48 | w00ter | e |
| 10:02.53 | pingouin | w00ter: it's in you're /home/user/.xinitrc |
| 10:03.03 | pingouin | w00ter: you have to say what do you want to lauch |
| 10:03.13 | solid_liq | !find kontact |
| 10:03.15 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kontact' (2): akregator-kontact-plugin ;; kontact. |
| 10:03.16 | SimonRaven | delirium: sure. snapshot.debian.net - add the proper deb lines. e.g., |
| 10:03.25 | pingouin | w00ter: check the xfce4 www web site it's cleary writen with exemple |
| 10:03.46 | delirium | SimonRaven : thx, what was this etch thing btw ? |
| 10:03.51 | SimonRaven | delirium: deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool <source package name>, update, use aptitude to downgrade |
| 10:03.59 | SimonRaven | delirium: etch == testing |
| 10:04.07 | lildude | liable want to give that compile wi fi a go |
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| 10:04.22 | w00ter | Thanks pingouin , I will take a look |
| 10:04.49 | delirium | SimonRaven : ooh, I get it now, wow, I haven always been doing that :s This is so embarassing |
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| 10:07.30 | w00ter | pingouin: Just my luck. The howto on the xfce page is down :) |
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| 10:07.54 | pingouin | w00ter: :D |
| 10:08.07 | pingouin | w00ter: murphy's law in full action ;) |
| 10:08.09 | liable | add xfce4 to xsession? |
| 10:08.13 | w00ter | Which media player has the clearest, biggest buttons that idiotic girls can operate ? |
| 10:08.26 | w00ter | liable: I need to do something with xinit, as it couldn't find that |
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| 10:08.56 | liable | dunno. |
| 10:09.25 | w00ter | This computer is going to act as a mp3 player for our kitchen, but I have girls in this house. And lets just say they're not technical. |
| 10:09.39 | w00ter | I suspect xmms is already too hard ;) |
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| 10:10.00 | dimir | w00ter: xinit couldn't find what? |
| 10:10.26 | w00ter | Ok, ill type over the things I got when i did a startscfe |
| 10:10.36 | w00ter | Starting X Server |
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| 10:10.47 | liable | w00ter: dont paste here. |
| 10:11.00 | finn | w00ter, just get some desklet running. you can't do a lot wrong with that |
| 10:11.08 | w00ter | startxxfce4: line 34 exec xinit not found |
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| 10:11.17 | w00ter | And that's about it. |
| 10:11.30 | st4 | someone here with sympa+ldap+mysql experience? |
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| 10:11.34 | w00ter | ( I wouldn't paste, in fact I can't) |
| 10:12.08 | PerfDave | w00ter: Why can't you paste? :) |
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| 10:12.16 | liable | CountZ: ?? |
| 10:12.17 | w00ter | Not on the same computer PerfDave |
| 10:12.39 | PerfDave | w00ter: It would be helpful if you could use the pastebot, it makes life much easier and means that we don't have to try and work around your typos ;) |
| 10:13.23 | w00ter | PerfDave: I agree, but this time it was 1 line. If you want me to paste 1 line into a pastebot: ok. But it seems a bit stupid. |
| 10:13.33 | ma3x | do you know any good worldmap? |
| 10:13.38 | trc | how do i determine if the reason for card reader and usb port not working is hardware failure? |
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| 10:13.47 | bob2 | ma3x: maps.google.com |
| 10:13.58 | ma3x | thanks |
| 10:14.01 | w00ter | Btw, I am going to kill my roommie and her Marco Borsato cd's. |
| 10:14.08 | PerfDave | w00ter: *shrug* It was one line, with typos :) |
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| 10:14.31 | noisecontrol | How do you correctly execute a file of type "debian-binary" |
| 10:14.45 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: What is this file called, and where did you get it from? |
| 10:14.46 | w00ter | PerfDave: Come on, gimme a break. It's not like my computer was hanging over a typo in a config file. |
| 10:14.50 | liable | hello |
| 10:14.51 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
| 10:14.52 | noisecontrol | www.opera.com |
| 10:14.56 | noisecontrol | It is opera |
| 10:15.01 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: What is the file called? |
| 10:15.09 | noisecontrol | debian-binary |
| 10:15.15 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: No, what is the filename. |
| 10:15.24 | Guerin | don't use opera |
| 10:15.24 | noisecontrol | That is the filename |
| 10:15.27 | bob2 | haha |
| 10:15.30 | liable | hello |
| 10:15.31 | x-Al1gma | hello liable |
| 10:15.33 | Guerin | it's not worth it |
| 10:15.37 | bob2 | noisecontrol: download it properly |
| 10:15.39 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: In that case, I have no idea. Try asking Opera, it's their commercial product. |
| 10:15.40 | w00ter | Anyway, maybe i should better ask: how do I apt-get a complete X window system? |
| 10:15.50 | PerfDave | w00ter: apt-get install x-window-system :) |
| 10:15.57 | w00ter | Yay :) |
| 10:16.06 | noisecontrol | I have other applications that have downloaded as debian-binary as well |
| 10:16.20 | noisecontrol | There must be a correct way to execute them |
| 10:16.33 | noisecontrol | using sh or bash or something |
| 10:16.36 | w00ter | I am just half as dumb as I type :) |
| 10:16.50 | bob2 | noisecontrol: no, there isn't |
| 10:16.51 | liable | sure :P |
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| 10:17.03 | bob2 | noisecontrol: stop downloading them in whatever broken way you're downloading them |
| 10:17.06 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: How are you downloading files, if they're all called "debian-binary"? |
| 10:17.08 | bob2 | right click |
| 10:17.09 | bob2 | save as |
| 10:17.11 | bob2 | enjoy! |
| 10:17.27 | noisecontrol | They come in gz's and tars and stuff |
| 10:17.32 | noisecontrol | Ark opens them |
| 10:17.40 | noisecontrol | I know that much |
| 10:17.50 | liable | yes but doesnt untar them.. |
| 10:17.57 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: And they're all called "debian-binary"? Why don't you try talking us through what you're doing? |
| 10:18.04 | noisecontrol | Thank you Dave |
| 10:18.11 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: For a start, how are you downloading these files? With a web browser? Which browser? |
| 10:18.14 | ma3x | bob2, can maps.google.com show cities as well? i didn't find that option |
| 10:18.17 | noisecontrol | how does Tar work |
| 10:18.24 | bob2 | ma3x: zoom in |
| 10:18.31 | noisecontrol | right now I am using firefox on Debian Sarge |
| 10:18.32 | ma3x | bob2, i did, but no cities at all |
| 10:18.46 | noisecontrol | I have a cable modem |
| 10:18.49 | bob2 | ma3x: yes there is |
| 10:18.57 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: OK, so where are you downloading these files from? |
| 10:19.14 | noisecontrol | the debian-binary came from www.opera.com |
| 10:19.26 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: No, give us the exact link, so we can see for ourselves. |
| 10:19.33 | noisecontrol | Sure |
| 10:19.38 | trc | i need a hand adjusting permissions for my scanner at libusb:002:002 |
| 10:19.40 | ma3x | bob2, not in some parts of europe |
| 10:19.46 | bob2 | ok! |
| 10:19.53 | yang | Which is a good linux certification for debian users? |
| 10:19.59 | ma3x | do you know some other map? |
| 10:20.01 | PerfDave | yang: LPI is the only one I know of. |
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| 10:20.44 | bob2 | that does sound interesting |
| 10:20.48 | trc | i added user to scanner group, didnt work (sarge) |
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| 10:21.04 | noisecontrol | I think I just figured it out |
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| 10:21.05 | liable | trc: did you log out? |
| 10:21.08 | noisecontrol | It offers 2 forms |
| 10:21.12 | trc | when |
| 10:21.13 | noisecontrol | a native form and a tar form |
| 10:21.26 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: What is the link to the page you're currently looking at? |
| 10:21.28 | trc | liable, i did yesterday, i am back now |
| 10:21.40 | liable | trc: ok. |
| 10:21.42 | trc | liable, sorry if i missed yur answer |
| 10:21.52 | PerfDave | noisecontrol: Also, please try to write more than a few words on each line, it makes it much easier for us to follow what you're saying. Full sentences for preference :) |
| 10:22.03 | liable | trc: from yesterday? |
| 10:22.08 | trc | yeap |
| 10:22.36 | cn | i have removed /dev/modem how i ricreate it correctly? |
| 10:22.43 | bob2 | with ln |
| 10:23.02 | trc | liable: would i mind repeating, or if I '/msg you' |
| 10:23.24 | liable | trc: I didnt give an answer yesterday :) |
| 10:23.31 | trc | hmm |
| 10:23.36 | yaarg | cn: mknod /dev/modem c 5 65? |
| 10:24.03 | cn | yaarg what means 5 and 65 there? |
| 10:24.09 | liable | trc: have you rebooted since yesterday? |
| 10:24.22 | trc | twice, and even compiled a new kernel |
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| 10:24.26 | trc | didnt work |
| 10:24.32 | liable | ok. |
| 10:24.40 | yang | Could someone help me set up my scanner ? Which package do I have to install to autp-detect it. Its a scsi scanner. |
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| 10:25.10 | yaarg | cn: major minor |
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| 10:25.30 | yaarg | yang: actually you probably want them to be the same as /dev/cua0 |
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| 10:25.37 | PerfDave | yang: I don't have a scanner, but I believe that the Linux scanning stuff is called "sane", try searching for packages like that? |
| 10:26.03 | SimonRaven | yes, sane. it has detection scripts too |
| 10:26.18 | SimonRaven | xsane for the frontend x based stuff |
| 10:26.26 | cn | yaarg, i don't understand |
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| 10:26.46 | SimonRaven | cn: man mknod, man MAKEDEV |
| 10:27.23 | SimonRaven | less <linux kernel source>/Documentation/devices.txt |
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| 10:27.28 | yaarg | cn: well if you want to understand google, you just asked how :) |
| 10:28.21 | liable | trc: can root use it? |
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| 10:28.29 | trc | yes |
| 10:29.20 | cn | major and minor |
| 10:29.22 | cyrix^ | anyone tried xorg in unstable ? |
| 10:29.34 | liable | trc: whats the perms for it? |
| 10:29.58 | liable | trc: and what group is it in? |
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| 10:30.18 | trc | liable: thats the thing, i dont know how to determine it, since i cant find any /dev/x that would correspond |
| 10:30.25 | buhya | A pic that proofs Bush smells muahahaha --> http://www.systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=77 |
| 10:30.34 | liable | trc: ls -l /dev |
| 10:30.55 | mitten | finally I have login prompt with 3.1 |
| 10:30.57 | dimir | cyrix^: using it |
| 10:31.07 | trc | liable: right, but /dev/usb? |
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| 10:31.12 | dimir | cyrix^: no problems so far |
| 10:31.15 | fseek | hello |
| 10:31.16 | x-Al1gma | hello fseek |
| 10:31.21 | mitten | liable: 3.1 on login prompt now....:-) |
| 10:31.27 | trc | i will do a ls -lR /dev | grep scanner |
| 10:31.28 | liable | trc: look at dmesg, see what it says about it.. |
| 10:31.28 | cyrix^ | dimir sound good :)... |
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| 10:31.34 | liable | mitten: sweet :) |
| 10:31.38 | dimir | cyrix^: yeap, go for it. :-) |
| 10:31.47 | ShaiW | how do I ask DPKG about stuff? |
| 10:31.48 | cyrix^ | dimir just tired to install. Missing startx? :( |
| 10:32.00 | dimir | cyrix^: install it then |
| 10:33.11 | dimir | cyrix^: xbase-clients |
| 10:33.26 | dimir | cyrix^: or it's not in your PATH? |
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| 10:34.11 | dimir | omg, do not remind me of my deadlines, please. |
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| 10:34.17 | DeadLine_ | lol |
| 10:34.19 | dimir | :-P |
| 10:34.25 | cyrix^ | dimir yup, looks like xbase-clients will do the trick. Just found it as you wrote |
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| 10:34.43 | dimir | hello |
| 10:34.43 | x-Al1gma | hello dimir |
| 10:34.49 | dimir | :-P~ |
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| 10:35.20 | DeadLine_ | im having a strange issue: on my sarge powered server (http and ssh), the ssh daemon keeps haning sometimes, is there a problem with openssh and are there better alternatives? |
| 10:36.13 | dimir | DeadLine_: there are commercial SSH servers. Are you ready to pay for them? |
| 10:36.20 | DeadLine_ | dimir: no |
| 10:36.30 | pirre | DeadLine_: what do the logs say? |
| 10:36.47 | fatal_ | dns issue? |
| 10:36.49 | dimir | DeadLine_: AFAIK no FOSS alternatives, as sshd does it's job perfectly. |
| 10:37.06 | dimir | DeadLine_: I think it's one of those PEBKAC issues. |
| 10:37.18 | ShaiW | one needs help with installing nvidia drivers |
| 10:37.44 | fatal_ | dimir: dropbear? ... never tried it myself though. |
| 10:37.48 | ShaiW | there used to be a bulleting list of actions to be done in order to do so |
| 10:37.52 | ShaiW | I can't find it |
| 10:38.01 | trc | liable: dmesg says hdd: Hewlett-Packard DVD Writer 300, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive, and brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2005-08-14 19:19 /dev/hdd |
| 10:38.06 | trc | so i found it |
| 10:38.15 | dimir | fatal_: oh, cool, I never heard of it. |
| 10:38.27 | DeadLine_ | pirre: which log exactly? |
| 10:38.46 | dimir | fatal_: As it's in Debian repositories, I guess it's worth to trying. |
| 10:38.52 | dimir | s/to // |
| 10:39.11 | pirre | DeadLine_: /var/log/{messages|syslog} ? |
| 10:39.19 | dimir | DeadLine_: do you exclude the possiblitity of unstable network connection? |
| 10:39.29 | liable | trc: um, arent we talking about a scanner? |
| 10:39.36 | trc | yes |
| 10:39.46 | liable | trc: unplub it, plug it back, see what dmseg says. |
| 10:39.48 | trc | and i find weird that it is assigned hdd |
| 10:39.54 | pirre | DeadLine_: /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 10:40.04 | DeadLine_ | dimir: im accessing it via a direct UTP cable, and httpd keeps beeing stable and accessible |
| 10:40.17 | trc | since i have two dvd drives, the second would be hdd, but its not there! |
| 10:40.29 | DeadLine_ | pirre: the logs tell me nothing about problems |
| 10:40.39 | trc | liable, let me reboot into the stock kernel, and see what it says, be back in a sec |
| 10:40.41 | pirre | DeadLine_: okay. |
| 10:40.48 | pirre | trc: what does bios say? |
| 10:40.50 | dimir | DeadLine_: well, are you using other than local passwd packends (LDAP, NIS)? |
| 10:40.54 | trc | bios |
| 10:40.59 | trc | is it acommand? |
| 10:41.04 | DeadLine_ | dimir: no, only passwd auth |
| 10:41.21 | pirre | trc: no, your systems BIOS. When you boot up? |
| 10:41.24 | dimir | DeadLine_: same thing in /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 10:41.28 | DeadLine_ | dimir: it happens also while im logged in, the shell hangs, and needs to be interrupted |
| 10:41.41 | trc | not much, i dodnt think it mentions it |
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| 10:42.07 | pirre | trc: okay, you are sure you've put one as master and one as slave? |
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| 10:42.20 | dimir | DeadLine_: damn, I still suspect it's the connection. Try to use telnet to connect to it and see if it's acting the same way. |
| 10:42.25 | af_ | I am an horrible conflict with libqt3c102-mt |
| 10:42.29 | mitten | liable: upgrading to kernel 2.6 should be straight forward as others ? I have compiled kernels in past ... |
| 10:42.35 | af_ | it not exists anymore..... |
| 10:42.41 | trc | pirre: i haven'tr touched my hardware for months, since i installed sarge it all stopped working |
| 10:42.47 | DeadLine_ | dimir: i cannot, because the problem occurs very unregular, i could wait for 5 hours now |
| 10:42.48 | pirre | trc: ah. |
| 10:42.57 | af_ | anyonw knows how to install kde? |
| 10:43.02 | trc | pirre: it did with sid, then sid broke and i came back to sarge |
| 10:43.03 | pirre | af_: apt-get? |
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| 10:43.14 | pirre | trc: okay |
| 10:43.17 | af_ | apt-get install libqt3c102-mt |
| 10:43.18 | liable | mitten: yeah, just apt-get install kernel-blah.. |
| 10:43.19 | dimir | DeadLine_: hmm, well, try dropbear then. |
| 10:43.26 | af_ | Package libqt3c102-mt is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:43.26 | af_ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 10:43.26 | af_ | is only available from another source |
| 10:43.26 | af_ | However the following packages replace it: |
| 10:43.26 | af_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:43.28 | cyrix^ | af_ apt-get install kde ? |
| 10:43.28 | DeadLine_ | dimir: whats that |
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| 10:43.33 | liable | how can someone see what I am doing in shh? |
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| 10:43.37 | af_ | uhm |
| 10:43.43 | trc | pirre: i will reboot into the stock kernel and see, be back in a sec |
| 10:43.43 | dimir | DeadLine_: apt-cache show it |
| 10:43.50 | bob2 | liable: you mean ssh? by having root on either machine you're running on |
| 10:44.00 | af_ | I have put in #flood what happane |
| 10:44.02 | ircdevil | whats the difference between latex and pplatex? |
| 10:44.02 | af_ | I have put in #flood what happans |
| 10:44.15 | ircdevil | besided the pp of cause |
| 10:44.16 | af_ | anyway it not exiest anymore |
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| 10:44.33 | mitten | liable: but that will be not as trimmed as src compile....so I meant should I try to source compile ? all modules and stuff (network modules) should it work seemlessly? |
| 10:44.58 | DeadLine_ | dimir: i see. what about security? is it trustable? |
| 10:45.13 | liable | mitten: whatever floats your boat :) |
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| 10:45.35 | liable | bob2: so if the other person is root, they can see/ |
| 10:45.41 | mitten | ok |
| 10:45.57 | bob2 | liable: if you run anything on a machine where someone else has root, you lose |
| 10:46.07 | bob2 | liable: they can record every keystroke you make and see everything you see |
| 10:46.16 | mitten | liable: current one is 2.4.24 so hope jumping to 2.6 is not a problem? |
| 10:46.22 | bob2 | liable: this is why you don't store ssh or gpg keys on other people's (or even multi-user) machines |
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| 10:46.50 | liable | bob2: I am shelling into someone elses box, I want them to see what I am doing. |
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| 10:47.04 | bob2 | liable: ttysnoop is one way |
| 10:47.17 | PerfDave | ttysnoop, or multi-user screen |
| 10:47.18 | dimir | DeadLine_: well, just try it to see if the problems persist, this will clear if sshd is broken. According to the dropbear's description it is secure. And it supports only protocol 2, which is much more secure than 1. I'd try it. Also there is this lsh-server package. You can check it also. |
| 10:47.26 | liable | bob2: ok thanks. |
| 10:47.44 | PerfDave | liable: I've not done it myself, but I believe that multi-user screen would be your easiest bet if neither of you have root |
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| 10:48.09 | w00ter | Does anybody have any experience with migrating users from one server to another? |
| 10:48.10 | liable | PerfDave: ok cheers :) |
| 10:48.23 | mitten | liable: current one is 2.4.24 so hope jumping to 2.6 is not a problem? |
| 10:48.26 | liable | PerfDave: nah, both have root. |
| 10:48.29 | ShaiW | k, I've just installed nvidia, how do I make it my default driver? (It's notlisted on dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) |
| 10:48.29 | w00ter | (xfce4 running and purrrrrrfect) |
| 10:48.36 | PerfDave | ShaiW: How did you install nvidia |
| 10:48.44 | ShaiW | hmmphh |
| 10:48.56 | PerfDave | w00ter: The tricky thing is making sure everyone ends up with the right uid and gid ;) |
| 10:48.59 | bob2 | w00ter: update /etc/passwd. copy user data. enjoy! |
| 10:49.05 | bob2 | don't forget their crontabs and mail |
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| 10:49.25 | ShaiW | apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common && m-a prepare && m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 10:49.46 | PerfDave | ShaiW: Have you got the nvidia kernel module loaded? |
| 10:49.56 | PerfDave | ShaiW: As in, does "lsmod | grep nvidia" produce output? |
| 10:50.01 | w00ter | bob2: they don't have that :) It's just their homedirs and samba useraccounts. Which reminds me. I need to get that db somewhere too! |
| 10:50.05 | mitten | I have dist-upgraded to deb 3.1. current kernel version is 2.4.24 so hope jumping to 2.6 is not a problem by doing source compile especially with all drivers like network related? |
| 10:50.22 | PerfDave | mitten: Why do you want to compile from source? Just use a kernel-image-2.6 package. |
| 10:50.22 | ShaiW | no, not loaded |
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| 10:50.36 | w00ter | PerfDave: Can I merge the 2 passwd files? |
| 10:50.38 | PerfDave | ShaiW: Try "modprobe nvidia" |
| 10:50.42 | trc | well, dmesg doesnt report the scanner |
| 10:50.43 | ShaiW | should I load it? SHould'nt I configure x to load it automatically as I boot? |
| 10:50.45 | PerfDave | w00ter: Probably :) |
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| 10:50.55 | w00ter | Oh well, let's just try :P |
| 10:50.56 | ShaiW | K, loaded |
| 10:51.05 | w00ter | We will see where it breaks anyway ;) |
| 10:51.05 | mitten | PerfDave: src compiled version will be well trimmed for my specs....that image one will be generic and blotted... |
| 10:51.17 | ShaiW | now will it be in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 10:51.25 | PerfDave | mitten: No, use a kernel-image package, it will be modular and well trimmed. |
| 10:51.32 | PerfDave | ShaiW: X isn't responsible for loading kernel modules. You can put "nvidia" in /etc/modules so it gets loaded at boot. |
| 10:51.37 | w00ter | But first I am going to compile a nice new shiny kernel for this server ;) |
| 10:51.56 | ShaiW | but will it be mydefault display module? |
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| 10:51.57 | PerfDave | ShaiW: Hopefully when you have the nvidia kernel module loaded, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will show the nvidia X driver :) |
| 10:52.12 | PerfDave | ShaiW: You're confusing two things - the nvidia kernel module, and the nvidia X driver. |
| 10:52.21 | ShaiW | PerfDave, it is loaded, but the installation won't show it |
| 10:52.24 | litage | which package does lprm belong to? |
| 10:52.30 | ShaiW | I guess they just list default modules |
| 10:52.36 | ShaiW | is there any file I could edit manually? |
| 10:52.42 | PerfDave | ShaiW: Wait, slow the hell down already. |
| 10:52.52 | ShaiW | hmpphhh sorry |
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| 10:53.09 | mitten | PerfDave: will be existing network driver be compatible or will kernel image take care of installing new driver? |
| 10:53.12 | ShaiW | I had too much coffee at work today |
| 10:53.22 | PerfDave | mitten: Depends what networking driver you're using. |
| 10:53.29 | liable | PerfDave: so if we both have root? |
| 10:53.30 | PerfDave | ShaiW: If you've installed the nvidia driver with module-assistant, then the x driver should show in the list given by "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86". |
| 10:53.43 | ShaiW | and... if ti does'nt? |
| 10:53.44 | mitten | well one with 2.4.24 for pcmcia card |
| 10:53.59 | PerfDave | mitten: Debian's 2.6 kernel-image packages have many many drivers. Suck it and see. |
| 10:54.17 | PerfDave | ShaiW: Then I'm confused, frankly. But you want to solve that problem rather than hand-editing your X configuration file. |
| 10:54.20 | mitten | ok |
| 10:54.20 | PerfDave | liable: Try using ttysnoop? |
| 10:54.34 | liable | ok, will do. thanks. |
| 10:54.39 | PerfDave | ShaiW: Hand-editing X config files can lead to various badness, it's best to avoid it if at all possible. |
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| 10:54.52 | ShaiW | I'll try rebooting, I've added it to themodules list |
| 10:54.55 | ShaiW | ttyl |
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| 10:54.59 | cn | what wireless card is well supported? |
| 10:55.30 | Guerin | cn: jack of hearts |
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| 10:56.12 | Zta | I'm using Linux 2.4.27. When inserting an usb memory dongle, my usb-storage module recognizes the device. But how do I know where I it assigned under /dev/? cat /proc/partitions is empty. |
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| 10:57.03 | Guerin | Zta: dmesg should tell you; proc/partitions or fdisk -l as root should tell you |
| 10:57.09 | dimir | Zta: it should be somewhere /dev/sd[abc...] |
| 10:57.58 | one2 | mornin ya'll |
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| 10:58.03 | one2 | ;] |
| 10:58.05 | Zta | "USB Mass Storage device found at 14" is all I get from dmesg =\ |
| 10:58.27 | oleth_ | hello. I 've installed gcj but I get "Check the CLASSPATH environment variable and the access to the archives". how should classpath be set? |
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| 10:59.34 | Zta | Oh, well, I'll think of something. Perhaps a few reboots will help; the usb bus is quite unstable =) |
| 10:59.59 | dimir | Zta: try to mount /dev/sda to /mnt |
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| 11:00.13 | dimir | or some other empty dir |
| 11:00.15 | Zta | dimir, I tried /dev/sda1 with no success |
| 11:00.20 | dimir | oh, OK |
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| 11:01.13 | trc | pirre, liable: posted in flood result of plug unplug of scanner |
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| 11:02.23 | Zta | mount: Mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt failed: No such device or address |
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| 11:03.17 | trc | i seem to have the message of bad irg all the time, plus also dmesg says about the bios the following, posted in flood |
| 11:03.34 | entheon | what's the word/phrase for when something is so gruesome that you have to look at it? i know there's "morbid curiosity" but that's not quite what i'm thinking... any suggestions? |
| 11:03.43 | pirre | trc: turn off pnp in bios? |
| 11:04.02 | trc | i will try that next, hmm, wierd |
| 11:04.04 | pirre | trc: or boot with the suggested flag? |
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| 11:04.14 | trc | which is |
| 11:04.17 | trc | let me see |
| 11:04.27 | pirre | s/flag/option/ |
| 11:04.35 | pirre | trc: you just pasted it in #flood |
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| 11:07.31 | FarrisG | I have a box with two drives in it. sda has the MBR with an old lilo install that will boot, but the FS on sda is screwed up. sdb has a known good backup of sda on it, but no working MBR. I want to leave both drives where they are so that I can do some data recovery from sda. How do I get grub or lilo installed so that it will boot the FS on sdb? |
| 11:08.14 | PerfDave | FarrisG: Boot from sda, chroot to the filesystem on sdb, install grub on sdb's MBR? |
| 11:09.09 | trc | rebooting, be back without pnp |
| 11:09.35 | yang | does console based (lynx) ipv6 client exist? |
| 11:09.42 | yang | browser |
| 11:09.47 | FarrisG | PerfDave: Will that work? Will the map not be screwed up since it used to be sda but now I've restored the backup to sdb? |
| 11:10.34 | dimir | FarrisG: either this or use knoppix |
| 11:11.33 | w00ter | How do I find out what a kernel compile via make xconfig needs? I get lots of undeclared functions. I did install gcc, but have the feeling i am missing some libs ? |
| 11:11.37 | dimir | FarrisG: it will work both ways, moreover, you can select what bootloader to install to sdb. |
| 11:11.51 | fox-boy | quit |
| 11:12.07 | dimir | w00ter: you are probably missing some devel packages |
| 11:12.24 | w00ter | dimir: is there any way to find out which ones? |
| 11:12.34 | w00ter | gcc-devel ? |
| 11:12.40 | dimir | w00ter: check the first error messges (should be something like: somefile.h: no such file or directory) |
| 11:13.13 | dimir | w00ter: so that will be the file containing declarations you are missing. |
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| 11:13.41 | w00ter | dimir: it seems it can't handle .h files |
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| 11:14.23 | beardy | w00ter: build-essential? |
| 11:14.29 | dimir | find out the missing ones and install the packages these are coming with. |
| 11:14.44 | w00ter | beardy: is that a meta package? |
| 11:14.51 | beardy | w00ter: Yes. |
| 11:14.52 | dimir | a-ha |
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| 11:15.01 | w00ter | I'll apt it |
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| 11:15.42 | beardy | !info build-essential sarge |
| 11:15.44 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 11:16.14 | beardy | !kp |
| 11:16.14 | dpkg | kp is, like, To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 11:16.29 | yang | when i am starting xsane it scans for devices, but it doesnt find my scanner :( |
| 11:16.35 | wt | is anyone here a pam guru? |
| 11:16.56 | nevyn | nobody here knows anything about women |
| 11:16.57 | beardy | wt: No, but perhaps someone is. Just ask away. |
| 11:17.03 | ssm | wt: ask, and someone may know anyway |
| 11:17.24 | ssm | nevyn: man woman -> segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 11:17.31 | nevyn | right |
| 11:17.50 | wt | I have the following in /etc/pam.d/common-passwd |
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| 11:18.03 | wt | password [success=1 default=ignore] pam_ldap.so nullok min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 11:18.14 | wt | password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 11:18.20 | beardy | ssm: install funny-manpages ;) |
| 11:18.22 | wt | password [success=ok] pam_permit.so |
| 11:18.24 | entheon | cacospectamania |
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| 11:18.56 | ssm | beardy: a requisite on my servers. :P |
| 11:18.58 | wt | the last line doesn't work if I do "password [success=ignore] pam_permit.so" |
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| 11:19.09 | ssm | beardy: that, and asr-manpages |
| 11:19.28 | wt | in it's current state "passwd" always reports success in changing a password, even if it is not really successful |
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| 11:19.54 | wt | for instance, if I type no matching passwords 3 times or something of that nature |
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| 11:21.18 | wt | basically, I want to update users that only exist on the local files with the pam_unix module and the ldap users with the ldap module |
| 11:21.35 | w00ter | For the peeps that wanted to know: making xconfig needs lots of qt3 stuff and build-essential. Thanks for the help :) |
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| 11:21.55 | wt | for instance, root is not in the ldap |
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| 11:23.24 | wt | btw, I can't take the last line away because it fails with "permission denied" always in that case |
| 11:23.37 | beardy | w00ter: Really, I thought it used some simpler thing than qt, since it's called xconfig, Iäve never tried it.. So it works fine now? |
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| 11:25.04 | ssm | wt: What are you trying to do? Change password both on LDAP and the local password file, ignoring cases where the user isn't in the ldap file? |
| 11:25.46 | giskard | someone here that uses sympa+ldap+mysql for store informationa about users? |
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| 11:26.03 | wt | I wanna change the users password in ldap if it is an ldap user, otherwise, I wanna change it in the shadow file |
| 11:26.04 | DarkSith | hello peoples |
| 11:26.22 | ssm | ...and the pam_permit line? |
| 11:26.38 | dimir | wt: join flood, I will paste my system-auth file, which does what you need |
| 11:27.36 | wt | ssm: it fails without that line |
| 11:27.58 | wt | I ran across a web page that said something about pam segfaulting if it had nothing to jump to |
| 11:28.04 | wt | dimir: thanks |
| 11:28.13 | dimir | wt: no problemo |
| 11:29.00 | wt | so...either should be sufficient |
| 11:29.27 | ssm | wt: You've read /usr/share/doc/libpam-ldap/README.Debian ? |
| 11:30.02 | dimir | wt: I have set this system up a long time ago, more than a year, so I do not remember all the details. What I do remember is it was a PITA to set up an environment like that that time. |
| 11:30.21 | ssm | wt: There's a few examples there, but they check for a local user first, and an LDAP user second |
| 11:30.26 | dimir | now it should be much more simple. |
| 11:30.36 | ssm | what's the users line from your /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 11:30.36 | wt | ssm: i have, it doesn' address the password case |
| 11:30.56 | ssm | wt: ah, no, just the authentication case. |
| 11:30.58 | ssm | ...sorry |
| 11:31.59 | wt | that was simpler than I though |
| 11:32.11 | wt | dimir: thanks again |
| 11:32.17 | wt | now I have: |
| 11:32.24 | wt | password sufficient pam_ldap.so nullok min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 11:32.30 | wt | password sufficient pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 11:32.35 | wt | and that is it |
| 11:32.51 | wt | I should prolly add the cracklib, but it is only my system |
| 11:32.57 | ssm | wt: and that works fine? |
| 11:33.05 | wt | it seems to |
| 11:33.40 | ssm | wt: Could you file a bug against libpam-ldap, with that as info, and ask if it could be included in the README.Debian file? It'd probably help people later. :D |
| 11:34.11 | DarkSith | i have a wireless card, but i have to manualy enable it. every time in need to enter to wep encryption with ifup. how can i enable this at bootime? |
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| 11:34.23 | wt | ssm: when I get home |
| 11:34.27 | wt | I am about to leave work |
| 11:34.44 | ssm | wt: excellent. Take care. :D |
| 11:34.53 | wt | later |
| 11:35.01 | dimir | yeah, see you. |
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| 11:35.21 | dimir | omg, 704 users on #debian! |
| 11:36.10 | dimir | I mean, 689 :-) |
| 11:36.17 | dimir | and a limit of 704 |
| 11:36.25 | wt | dimir, I wonder if you auth structure is better than the example in the pam_ldap debian docs |
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| 11:37.20 | dimir | wt: I assume you use the one from Debian doc, as my example was actually ment for an older systems. |
| 11:37.31 | dimir | s/an/the/ |
| 11:37.35 | silensius_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.51 | Womble2 | DarkSith: I think you can put the key in /etc/network interfaces. "man wireless" should tell you about the wireless-specific parameters |
| 11:37.51 | wt | dimir: for now |
| 11:38.01 | wt | dimir: I will see what I can find later |
| 11:38.15 | wt | dimir: i have the nss and pam working |
| 11:38.24 | wt | now the pam password part is working |
| 11:38.26 | DarkSith | Womble2: okay i'll take a look |
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| 11:38.54 | wt | the debian pam_ldap readme doesn't even address the session case either |
| 11:39.03 | wt | although I already added it in |
| 11:39.14 | wt | now I just need to import my groups into ldap |
| 11:39.25 | wt | and get an adduser tool that works with ldap |
| 11:39.36 | wt | dimir: any suggestion on the adduser tool? |
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| 11:41.15 | reagent | what is the default kernel for sarge? |
| 11:41.47 | fatal_ | 2.4.27 IIRC |
| 11:41.59 | itom | debianplanet.org or planet.debian.org? what news site suggest me to visit? |
| 11:42.07 | reagent | fatal_: That's certanily wrong :) |
| 11:42.19 | FarrisG | when I restored all of / from a backup, all of the /dev nodes were copied as files. Is there a safe way to blow all that away? |
| 11:42.37 | Womble2 | itom: debianplanet is news, like slashdot; planet.debian is aggregated personal blogs |
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| 11:42.59 | gilv | is there a soft to put put a .mov file into a dvd making it readable by any dvd machine for television ? |
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| 11:43.22 | Stereo | gilv: yeah, use iDVD |
| 11:43.33 | gogo3or | hi I'm looking web dectionary with english speling, thx |
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| 11:43.45 | Stereo | gogo3or: dict.org |
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| 11:43.47 | Womble2 | gilv: mencoder + mjpegtools + dvdauthor can do that |
| 11:43.52 | pirre | gogo3or: what does that have to do with debian? |
| 11:44.00 | wt | gogo3or: british english or american english? |
| 11:44.02 | fatal_ | reagent: why do you think so? ... packages.debian.org seems to suggest I'm right. |
| 11:44.10 | Stereo | gilv: whoops, this isn't #macintosh - my apologies, forgot I mentioned iDVD |
| 11:44.17 | gilv | Stereo: on linux ? |
| 11:44.20 | fatal_ | !find kernel-image-2.4.27 |
| 11:44.21 | gogo3or | wt, british |
| 11:44.22 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.4.27' (8): kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-586tsc ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7-smp ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup. |
| 11:44.39 | gogo3or | pirre, I use debian it is all :) |
| 11:44.53 | gogo3or | and i don;t have problems to solve |
| 11:44.55 | wt | gogo3or: search google yet? |
| 11:45.23 | gogo3or | yes but i want with some sample mp3 |
| 11:45.27 | gilv | Stereo: by the way, do you know if the airport card is usable on linux ? |
| 11:45.39 | Stereo | gilv: the old one yes. Extreme no. |
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| 11:45.54 | gilv | Stereo: what a pity |
| 11:46.00 | wt | gogo3or: well, you didn't ask for that in your question |
| 11:46.16 | wt | gogo3or: I am sure the google oracle will have an answer for you |
| 11:46.19 | wt | I am out |
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| 11:46.25 | gogo3or | ok thanks |
| 11:46.35 | reagent | fatal_: I'm sorry, you are right |
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| 11:47.01 | Womble2 | gilv: See http://www2.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#menc-feat-vcd-dvd |
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| 11:47.08 | J_P | hi all |
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| 11:47.14 | casadio | hi |
| 11:47.45 | [ITA]MisterX | Can I ask for support? |
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| 11:48.37 | bartden | hi, how can i link a device file ? |
| 11:49.03 | deepz | how do iload a module in kernel |
| 11:49.06 | gilv | Womble2: thanks a lot! |
| 11:49.22 | deepz | i want to load ip_vs |
| 11:49.34 | deepz | as my kernel does not support that |
| 11:49.40 | deepz | its 2.6.8 |
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| 11:50.29 | Coke | bartden: why do you think it would be different than any other file? |
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| 11:52.21 | nkuttler | deepz: man modprobe |
| 11:52.30 | uski | hi, does anyone know what exactly a debian install CD runs ? i would like to install debian on an encrypted root partition from an existing debian system on another harddrive, so i'd like to run the debian installer myself so i have a chance to setup the encryption manually |
| 11:52.36 | nkuttler | deepz: why does your kernel not support it? |
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| 11:53.06 | xaser | so |
| 11:53.08 | xaser | _rene_ |
| 11:53.10 | xaser | geht? |
| 11:53.11 | PerfDave | uski: If you want to install from an existing Debian system, you want to use debootstrap, not an install CD |
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| 11:53.56 | uski | PerfDave, ok thanks [now loading the manpage :)] |
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| 11:54.20 | deepz | no idea |
| 11:54.41 | deepz | nkuttker: i do not find it when isay lsmod |
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| 11:55.18 | nkuttler | !tell deepz about errors |
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| 11:55.40 | deepz | kuttler:no errors that module is not there |
| 11:55.41 | w00ter | I hate to complain, but when configuring a new kernel there are a LOT of options you need to turn off these days. Or maybe I've been missing out on a trick here |
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| 11:56.00 | PerfDave | w00ter: Why are you compiling? |
| 11:56.05 | w00ter | They've turned on soooo many modular options these days. |
| 11:56.16 | xerophyte | go to http://www.google.com.my/language_tools?hl=en 2. enter the following line into the translate textbox: Salma Hayek's mom is nice and cool 3. translate from English to Spanish 4. copy the translated text, and translate it back from Spanish to English |
| 11:56.18 | w00ter | PerfDave: Oh I like to have the latest kernel :) |
| 11:56.19 | nkuttler | w00ter: these days? |
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| 11:56.28 | PerfDave | w00ter: *sigh* |
| 11:56.28 | cn | what prog can i apt-get to filesharing? |
| 11:56.51 | deepz | nkuttler:/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/net/ipv4/ipvs/ip_vs.ko |
| 11:56.54 | PerfDave | cn: Many, depending on the type of filesharing you wish to do. |
| 11:56.55 | pirre | cn: set up your own mirror, you mean? |
| 11:57.08 | nkuttler | deepz: that's a file, not a command, not an error |
| 11:57.11 | deepz | nkuttler:howeever it is ther in this location |
| 11:57.13 | Schmock | -=Hi=- i have the following problem: when i want to install something with apt-get or aptitude, this error comes: |
| 11:57.14 | w00ter | nkuttler: yes, I remember that in 2.4 I didn't need to turn off radio support and 30 gagdets for USB and mroe |
| 11:57.14 | Schmock | dpkg-deb (subprocess): error in buffer_read(stream): failed to write to |
| 11:57.15 | Schmock | pipe in copy: Input/output error dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error |
| 11:57.15 | deepz | yes |
| 11:57.15 | Schmock | exit status 2 |
| 11:57.15 | Schmock | E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 11:57.18 | cn | i mean as amule but for debian |
| 11:57.25 | deepz | nkuttler:i want to load it |
| 11:57.27 | FarrisG | I'm getting "cannot open /dev/console: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 11:57.28 | Womble2 | cn: proftpd, apache, samba-server, nfs-kernel-server.... |
| 11:57.41 | deepz | nkuttler:for ipvsadm |
| 11:57.49 | pirre | cn: apt-cache search mule |
| 11:58.04 | FreekNL | CountZ: all worked out fine? |
| 11:58.08 | PerfDave | cn: apt-cache search donkey |
| 11:58.09 | w00ter | And PerfDave , I need to know what's turned on in the kernel for my firewall to work. And want to add support for some things that I don't know if the regular debian kernel has built in |
| 11:58.32 | PerfDave | w00ter: Debian kernel-images give you the config with them. |
| 11:58.39 | w00ter | It's just the way I am used to do things. I am not that familiar with the debian way of kernel stuff. |
| 11:59.02 | PerfDave | w00ter: You should at least be using make-kpkg to do the compilation, it makes life so much easier. |
| 11:59.06 | deepz | nkuttler:how do i do |
| 11:59.20 | nkuttler | deepz: modprobe ip_vs ? |
| 11:59.24 | PerfDave | w00ter: Really, just try using a kernel-image package, you'll be amazed at how easy it all is :) |
| 11:59.26 | Womble2 | w00ter: I suggest you install kernel-package and copy the config from /boot/config-$(uname -r) as a starting point for your own kernel build |
| 11:59.34 | deepz | nkuttler:it returns nothing |
| 11:59.42 | [ITA]MisterX | Where I can get "X11 headers (xfree-devel)" needed for licq??!? |
| 11:59.48 | nkuttler | deepz: lsmod | grep ip_vs |
| 11:59.58 | Schmock | has anyone an idea for my problem? |
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| 12:00.10 | PerfDave | !wayc [ITA]MisterX |
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| 12:00.11 | dpkg | [ITA]MisterX: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 12:00.16 | deepz | nkuttler:this too returned nothing |
| 12:00.35 | nkuttler | deepz: hmmm... try insmod /path/to/file |
| 12:00.37 | pirre | Schmock: it occurs regardless of what package you try to install? |
| 12:00.41 | [ITA]MisterX | I used apt-cache search but i found nothing :( |
| 12:00.46 | Schmock | yes... |
| 12:00.48 | deepz | k let me check |
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| 12:01.05 | [ITA]MisterX | I just need that package... |
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| 12:01.18 | Schmock | it worked, but now it doesn't work anymore... don't know whats's wrong |
| 12:01.29 | PerfDave | [ITA]MisterX: So install it with apt-get. If you can't find it then your apt sources are broken, try running apt-setup |
| 12:01.39 | w00ter | PerfDave Womble2: Is there a document around where I can read on howto do that and what the advantages are? I've always compiled my own kernels and insatlled them. But I am open for improvements for easier config (especially now so many options are turned ON)> |
| 12:02.11 | PerfDave | w00ter: For what? kernel-images? Just install them with apt-get like any other packages, saves you all the hassle of compiling. |
| 12:02.12 | deepz | nkuttler :its done thank you |
| 12:02.26 | deepz | nkuttler :one more thing |
| 12:02.37 | Schmock | i wanted to install kde with apt-get, maybe it's because of that |
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| 12:03.04 | deepz | nkuttler: i have a kernel 2.4.27 where this .ko file also is not there how do i do it |
| 12:03.08 | Womble2 | w00ter: kernel-package contains the scripts needed to make Debian packages of customised kernels. I believe there is sufficient documentation in that package itself. |
| 12:03.08 | Tingle | hello, where is the best best place to download the latest (debian-)knoppix? |
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| 12:03.12 | [ITA]MisterX | Of course I tried, but they are marked as "already installed"... |
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| 12:03.49 | PerfDave | Tingle: Ask #knoppix, Knoppix is not Debian. |
| 12:03.49 | w00ter | I wish I could say at this point I've got exotic hardware as an excuse to compile my own kernels ;) |
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| 12:04.14 | PerfDave | [ITA]MisterX: So have you tried running licq, if you've installed the licq packages? |
| 12:04.23 | Schmock | before i got this error, there was another error, that something isn't written in my PATH, so i included those entries, and now it's this error :( |
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| 12:04.39 | deepz | nkuttler:u there |
| 12:04.44 | nkuttler | deepz: .ko is for 2.6 |
| 12:05.01 | deepz | nkuttler :what abt 2.4 |
| 12:05.04 | nkuttler | deepz: 2.4 has .o |
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| 12:05.45 | ztrajp | Hi, xdm and screensaver ? (i just want a black screen after 5min)... |
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| 12:06.07 | [ITA]MisterX | configure: error: You need to have the X11 libraries and headers installed |
| 12:06.15 | [ITA]MisterX | Sure, I'm ''trying'' to install the licq packages (like qt-gui), but I got this error when I was making it. |
| 12:06.17 | Schmock | hmmmmm don't want to reinstall everything :( |
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| 12:06.44 | PerfDave | [ITA]MisterX: No, you're not trying to install the licq packages, you're trying to compile the licq source! |
| 12:07.06 | PerfDave | [ITA]MisterX: Use the Debian-provided licq packages already. |
| 12:07.17 | deepz | nkuttler:thank you very much |
| 12:07.27 | deepz | nkuttler:its done |
| 12:07.27 | [ITA]MisterX | I'm trying to compile licq packages. :) |
| 12:07.49 | oigres | Does anyone knows what happened to the "openwebmail" deb? |
| 12:08.25 | [ITA]MisterX | There aren't licq packages in my debian distribution... |
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| 12:10.50 | deepan | what is the difference between configure.in and configure.ac |
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| 12:11.41 | s_ward | deepan, configure.in is the now deprecated version of configure.ac |
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| 12:12.00 | Schmock | does anyone know, where i can find con kolivas overloaded? http://kem.p.lodz.pl/~peter/cko/ is down... |
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| 12:13.58 | znx | Schmock: http://freshmeat.net/projects/linux-cko/ ? .. oh nvm.. same link |
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| 12:14.30 | doelman | Hello, I'm trying to install debian, but after the first reboot, I can't use modprobe /lsmod anymore |
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| 12:14.52 | doelman | can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.29/modules.dep no such file or directoru |
| 12:15.13 | znx | doelman: depmod -a |
| 12:15.16 | s_ward | doelman, try: depmod -a |
| 12:15.21 | doelman | I've already done |
| 12:15.23 | s_ward | bah |
| 12:15.28 | Schmock | i only have the con kolivas standard... |
| 12:15.30 | doelman | can't open for writeing |
| 12:15.32 | doelman | writing |
| 12:15.36 | oigres | Does anyone knows what happened to the "openwebmail" deb? |
| 12:15.37 | doelman | it said |
| 12:16.04 | s_ward | doelman, as root? |
| 12:16.09 | doelman | yees |
| 12:16.10 | defcon8 | how do i install a deb file? |
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| 12:16.33 | zamolxes | defcon8: man dpkg, look for -i |
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| 12:16.41 | doelman | I've already done a new installation, but the same problem |
| 12:17.04 | doelman | it's the netinstall-cd |
| 12:17.24 | defcon8 | cheers zamolxes |
| 12:17.28 | s_ward | does the modules.dep file exist? |
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| 12:18.06 | doelman | it search for: /lib/modules/2.4.29/modules.dep but that whole dir does not exists |
| 12:18.34 | doelman | i only have /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 12:18.44 | s_ward | doelman, what kernel do you have running? uname -a |
| 12:18.45 | doelman | but maybe something is pointed wrong? |
| 12:18.48 | znx | Schmock: http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/2.6/ |
| 12:18.51 | josh | so whast is up |
| 12:18.54 | doelman | 2.4.29 |
| 12:18.59 | doelman | just the standard |
| 12:19.25 | doelman | base install (netinstall) |
| 12:19.27 | josh | hello liable |
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| 12:19.43 | s_ward | doelman, sorry, got to go, try reinstalling kernel-image-<version> ? |
| 12:19.44 | nkuttler | doelman: can you boot the 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 12:19.57 | DiamondBack | Unbelivable, you should really try this - http://people.freenet.de/evogamerz/paypal/engl.html |
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| 12:20.20 | doelman | I can |
| 12:20.28 | doelman | i'm going to try it |
| 12:21.00 | josh | well hello |
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| 12:21.22 | jair | hello guys |
| 12:21.46 | josh | so any thing going on |
| 12:22.03 | znx | Schmock: any use? |
| 12:22.12 | josh | kde is kool in sarge |
| 12:22.19 | doelman | nkuttler: when i choose 2.4.27 in grub, it works correct !! |
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| 12:22.34 | doelman | but why not, when i use the default ??? |
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| 12:22.42 | nkuttler | doelman: just reinstall the other kernel, apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 12:23.20 | josh | there is trick fro 2.6 kernal net install |
| 12:23.25 | Lanix | i have a dpkg that need kernel 2.6.12 but is not in apt-cache is it ok to download it and install manualy ? |
| 12:23.41 | Schmock | no, that's the standard version |
| 12:23.41 | josh | auto probe mouse monitor and go simple x config |
| 12:23.46 | w00ter | reading over a man for make-kpkg it doesn't seem to be too ideal for me anyway. |
| 12:23.46 | doelman | i'm sorry, what's the command for the welcome menu, you know, the menu, you see, after the first boot.. |
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| 12:24.27 | topyli | perhaps i'll send them a thankyou note as a jpeg |
| 12:24.38 | w00ter | doelman: you mean lilo.conf? |
| 12:24.41 | doelman | no |
| 12:24.43 | josh | grr likseys router not like sarge |
| 12:24.43 | nkuttler | doelman: what do you want to configure? |
| 12:24.52 | doelman | you know, after the first boot |
| 12:24.53 | nkuttler | doelman: baseconfig or similar iirc |
| 12:24.59 | doelman | yes baseconfig, thanx |
| 12:25.11 | w00ter | it's base-config then |
| 12:25.15 | doelman | yeah i know |
| 12:25.22 | doelman | <tab> helps me ;-) |
| 12:25.30 | w00ter | Fab :) |
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| 12:29.34 | deepan | does that mean configure.ac is better that configure.in .. |
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| 12:33.56 | jaker | hdd: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 12:33.56 | jaker | hdd: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 12:34.05 | jaker | what does it mean? |
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| 12:34.18 | Wyzard | Your hard drive is dying |
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| 12:34.26 | jaker | oeps |
| 12:34.33 | yaarg | it means your digital camera is borked |
| 12:34.34 | yaarg | wtf |
| 12:34.39 | yaarg | it means what is *says*! |
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| 12:35.39 | jaker | i'm new in this comming from Mswindows, so i never saw something like this |
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| 12:36.32 | takatumi | jaker: how's the experience so far? |
| 12:36.41 | jaker | great!!!!!! |
| 12:36.51 | cockroach | jaker: if hdd is a cdrom drive it could also just be a broken cd, i think |
| 12:37.06 | jaker | no, it's a harddisk |
| 12:37.24 | Wyzard | It means that an attempt to read data from the hard drive failed because the data was corrupted |
| 12:37.30 | Wyzard | It usually indicates that the drive is dying |
| 12:37.37 | jaker | can i repair that? |
| 12:37.50 | Wyzard | Go to the drive manufacturer's website |
| 12:37.56 | Wyzard | They usually have a diagnostic tool you can download |
| 12:38.09 | jaker | thanks for your advise |
| 12:38.18 | jaker | ;-) |
| 12:38.33 | Wyzard | That tool can sometimes fix or work around the problem; otherwise, at least it'll give you a failure code that you can use in applying for an RMA |
| 12:38.42 | Wyzard | (assuming the drive is still under warranty) |
| 12:38.54 | jaker | RMA? |
| 12:39.01 | Wyzard | It'd be a good idea to get any important data off that drive ASAP, because the problem may get worse |
| 12:39.03 | jaker | no, it's an old drive |
| 12:39.08 | Wyzard | Return Merchandise Authorization |
| 12:39.17 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 12:39.52 | jaker | no important data on it, just trying Sarge is great up to now, love it |
| 12:40.42 | jaker | sorry for my bad lang i'm dutch |
| 12:41.16 | Wyzard | np, I can understand you just fine |
| 12:41.24 | jaker | great |
| 12:41.48 | nkuttler | !dutch |
| 12:41.49 | dpkg | somebody said dutch was soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 12:42.15 | Wyzard | Anyway, you should still run the manufacturer's diagnostic tool, because in some cases it can "fix" the problem (actually working around it internally within the drive) |
| 12:42.43 | jaker | i will try that, thanks for your advise |
| 12:42.45 | Wyzard | But be aware that even if it only happens with a certain area of the drive now, it's likely to grow |
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| 12:43.01 | jaker | ok i keep that in mind |
| 12:43.02 | takatumi | either way, if you want a good start, get a new drive. |
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| 12:43.53 | jaker | i think i make a double boot |
| 12:44.07 | jaker | and lose this drive |
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| 12:47.52 | adughep | how cai i make dga on |
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| 12:48.14 | adughep | it seis in linux Xffree86 need dga modes? |
| 12:48.44 | gunnix | hi, I'm trying to play an audio cd in debian. But I only get sound from the speaker jacket from the cdrom itself. Nothing from my soundcard. My guess is that to play an audio cd there has to be a cable between the cdrom drive and the soundcard? |
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| 12:49.29 | unu | yup |
| 12:49.44 | gunnix | ok thx |
| 12:50.22 | Bhaal | Can anyone tell me how to get ethereal to display fwmarks? |
| 12:50.22 | cpop | what deb package adds /etc/shadow? |
| 12:50.45 | pirre | cpop: packages.debian.org |
| 12:50.54 | mathieu | dpkg -S /etc/shadow |
| 12:50.55 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /etc/shadow! |
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| 12:51.10 | Wyzard | That's part of the base system |
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| 12:52.09 | vahid | hello !! |
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| 12:52.24 | Womble2 | jaker: It could be that the cable is bad, not the drive |
| 12:52.27 | Dr_insider | hi |
| 12:52.31 | delirium | how can I delete totem without removing gnome ? |
| 12:52.54 | unu | apt-get remove --purge totem |
| 12:53.01 | Womble2 | I don't believe gnome depends on totem... |
| 12:53.12 | HeavenWarrior | What to do in case of bad chmod function on /var - i've chmod /var and now some of my applications do not work, including apt / how to return permissions in old date |
| 12:53.38 | Wyzard | HeavenWarrior: chmod it back... it should be 755 |
| 12:54.13 | HeavenWarrior | ok |
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| 12:54.40 | delirium | Womble2 : when I try to delete totem, it says it will also remove gnome :( |
| 12:55.04 | pirre | delirium: all of gnome? |
| 12:55.07 | Womble2 | delirium: Well, the gnome package is a meta-package; it doesn't contain anything important itself |
| 12:55.12 | Wyzard | delirium: It says it'll remove gnome-desktop-environment which is a metapackage |
| 12:55.12 | takatumi | preposterously delirius. |
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| 12:55.32 | delirium | so I can just remove it then ? |
| 12:55.40 | unu | go ahead |
| 12:55.50 | delirium | thanks guys |
| 12:55.53 | Womble2 | delirium: Yeah, just so long as you don't reove things like gnome-libs and so on |
| 12:56.04 | unu | libgnome :D |
| 12:56.07 | ssm | delirium: ...and you're not using aptitude |
| 12:56.11 | Womble2 | delirium: aptitude has a habit of suggesting that if you installed the meta-package |
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| 12:57.04 | delirium | Womble2 : I just use plain apt-get, it's faster |
| 12:57.24 | DjKritical | I'd just like to say.. Debian is the bees knees. |
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| 12:57.39 | liable | ducks guts :) |
| 12:58.06 | DjKritical | hey whatever floats your boat :D |
| 12:58.07 | Womble2 | Does anyone know what's up with the m68k and sparc buildds? They seem to be backlogged a bit. |
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| 12:58.58 | josh | iamback |
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| 12:59.45 | Demosthenes | any Makefile gurus around? i've stumped myself ;] |
| 13:01.00 | unu | anyone around here using apt-build? |
| 13:01.32 | delirium | I use it |
| 13:01.39 | delirium | NOT :p |
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| 13:02.10 | tyia | Demosthenes: /join #c |
| 13:02.24 | Demosthenes | tyia: good idea ;] |
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| 13:06.04 | FarrisG | I get "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" everytime I try to grub-install /dev/sda |
| 13:06.13 | phyrster | is there quick tool to resize images (png, jpg) ? |
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| 13:06.27 | unu | imagemagick i think |
| 13:06.28 | luite | convert (by imagemagick) |
| 13:06.28 | lobomufas | phyrster: imagemagick |
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| 13:06.36 | phyrster | not the ones like gimp, but simpler and just can resize things. |
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| 13:07.59 | luite | phyrster: it's very simple, something like # convert -resize 640x480 input.jpg output.jpg |
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| 13:08.14 | luite | and if you want, you can add things like quality etc |
| 13:08.30 | SDFH_Linux | how do you remove all of kde |
| 13:08.33 | Guerin | beware |
| 13:08.37 | SDFH_Linux | whats the command |
| 13:08.55 | Guerin | many imagemagick functions REPLACE the input file; don't use your originals |
| 13:09.02 | dimir | apt-get remove --purge kde |
| 13:09.03 | Guerin | !remove kde |
| 13:09.03 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 13:09.05 | juxmen | I am trying to locate a file on my system. I do this via locate searchstring. but I would like debian to search with a wildcard like locate this*and*this ... but do stars replace wildcards? |
| 13:09.09 | Guerin | dimir: *bzzzzzt* |
| 13:09.19 | dimir | Guerin: oops :-) |
| 13:09.34 | Guerin | juxmen: locate |egrep 'foo|bar|baz' |
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| 13:10.29 | Womble2 | juxmen: locate can use regexps; use the -r option |
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| 13:12.43 | juxmen | Guerin: for some strange reason this doesn't work? I type in exactly what you've said but he just show's the possible parameters like I do when locate --help |
| 13:13.10 | yaarg | i doubt the reason is strange tbh |
| 13:13.12 | DarkSith | hello people |
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| 13:14.18 | Womble2 | juxmen: locate -r 'foo\|bar\|baz' |
| 13:14.26 | SDFH_Linux | is there a way to check if something is broken in the packages using the command line |
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| 13:14.33 | nkuttler | juxmen: don't type commands you don't understand |
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| 13:14.48 | bismark | hello, i have a problem when i try to use extract_compressed_fs mainmodule-bare.mod > ./tempimage.iso, terminal says this Block 0 length 0 => 65536 |
| 13:14.48 | bismark | Uncomp: input corrupt 0 |
| 13:14.51 | nkuttler | SDFH_Linux: broken? |
| 13:15.01 | DarkSith | Womble2: i got my wireless working |
| 13:15.06 | SDFH_Linux | yea packages that are broken |
| 13:15.11 | bismark | any idea? |
| 13:15.12 | Womble2 | DarkSith: Good |
| 13:15.21 | Womble2 | SDFH_Linux: As in, files missing or changed? |
| 13:15.23 | nkuttler | SDFH_Linux: how do you know they are broken |
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| 13:15.26 | DarkSith | thanks |
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| 13:15.46 | SDFH_Linux | i try to install kde and it keeps telling unmet dependencies |
| 13:15.54 | cn | DarkSith: help me too now |
| 13:15.55 | pirre | SDFH_Linux: install how? |
| 13:16.02 | Womble2 | SDFH_Linux: Oh, using dpkg or apt-get? |
| 13:16.09 | SDFH_Linux | apt-get |
| 13:16.12 | nkuttler | SDFH_Linux: what debian version are you running? |
| 13:16.13 | DarkSith | cn: what is the problem |
| 13:16.17 | SDFH_Linux | unstable |
| 13:16.33 | Womble2 | Oh, well then you're probably SOL for now |
| 13:16.36 | SDFH_Linux | i do a kde core it installs |
| 13:16.53 | cn | DarkSith, get wireles working on one of my two cards |
| 13:16.56 | Womble2 | There is a reason it's called unstable.. |
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| 13:17.05 | nkuttler | SDFH_Linux: just run sarge |
| 13:17.06 | josh | lol |
| 13:17.15 | SDFH_Linux | grr |
| 13:17.20 | DarkSith | cn do you use dhcp |
| 13:17.24 | SDFH_Linux | anyway to fix this though? |
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| 13:17.36 | nkuttler | !tell SDFH_Linux about sid faq |
| 13:17.39 | Womble2 | SDFH_Linux: Wait until after the C++ ABI transition |
| 13:17.49 | cn | DarkSith, no |
| 13:17.59 | dlz_cn | Creating initial devices nodes : cdrom open failed |
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| 13:18.18 | dlz_cn | any idea？ |
| 13:18.26 | Jerub | what's the best software for dealing with palmpcs from a linux machine? |
| 13:18.32 | Jerub | I'd prefer to not have to use something X based. |
| 13:18.38 | DarkSith | cn, use iwconfig |
| 13:18.50 | mrou | there is a soft that display mesg and logs in X background but I don't remember the name... apt-cache search did not help me more... someone can give me a quick help? |
| 13:18.57 | Womble2 | Jerub: What MS Palm-size PC or PalmOS devices? |
| 13:19.03 | cn | DarkSith, the problem is that the cards aren't recognized |
| 13:19.08 | Jerub | PalmOS, IIIx |
| 13:19.15 | Womble2 | Jerub: Try pilot-xfer |
| 13:19.43 | DarkSith | none |
| 13:19.53 | Jerub | okay. |
| 13:19.59 | Womble2 | Jerub: The package name is pilot-link |
| 13:20.20 | lakbu | help for dial-in server: i have an errro: Peer is not authorized to use remote address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
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| 13:20.40 | shawarma | Hi! Is anyone by any chance running a 2.6.8-1-686 kernel? |
| 13:20.41 | Womble2 | cn: What model is the card? |
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| 13:21.14 | Jerub | wombie: thankyou |
| 13:21.15 | cn | Womble2, sitecom wl-113 and dlink g122 the other |
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| 13:21.44 | shawarma | Please? I REALLY need the xfs module from a 2.6.8-1-686 kernel.. |
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| 13:22.20 | drac | shawarma: -1-686 is deprecated, you should use -2-686, but xfs module is in both. So what's the problem ? |
| 13:22.23 | SquareRt | out of interest, what are all these new strange hostmasks? |
| 13:22.39 | shawarma | drac: I just need xfs.ko from a 2.6.8-1-686. |
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| 13:22.47 | newmanbe | They are designed to be harder to confuse with hostnames. |
| 13:22.49 | Womble2 | cn: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zd1211/ might be helpful for the Sitecom |
| 13:22.51 | SquareRt | beginning with n= or l= or i= and things like "n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu" that remind me more of Jabber resources? |
| 13:22.53 | drac | shawarma: nobody uses -1-686 anymore, it's not even in debian |
| 13:23.01 | shawarma | drac: I know. |
| 13:23.09 | cn | Womble2, i ve tried yet |
| 13:23.20 | newmanbe | shawarma: At least that's what were told. ;) |
| 13:23.21 | SquareRt | newmanbe: what are they for then? |
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| 13:23.41 | newmanbe | 08:22 < Womble2> cn: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zd1211/ might be helpf |
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| 13:23.44 | newmanbe | Oops. |
| 13:23.49 | cn | Womble2, it's so difficult compile module |
| 13:24.02 | shawarma | It's knd of hard to explain... I just need the module. Lpease. |
| 13:24.05 | shawarma | Please, even. |
| 13:24.09 | newmanbe | They are supposed to look different from host names. |
| 13:24.17 | SquareRt | newmanbe: well, what are they, exactly? |
| 13:24.50 | SquareRt | newmanbe: X.500 directory entries? |
| 13:25.09 | newmanbe | I have no idea. |
| 13:25.15 | SquareRt | like cn=o=dynamic,o=hinet,o=net |
| 13:25.20 | SquareRt | or somesuch |
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| 13:25.30 | SquareRt | (my LDAP/X.500 syntax is rusty) |
| 13:25.31 | newmanbe | Someone jokingly suggested they use that. |
| 13:25.38 | SquareRt | newmanbe: what, X.500? |
| 13:25.51 | SquareRt | newmanbe: only jokingly? ;) |
| 13:26.05 | newmanbe | Are you talkking about the freenode hostmasks? |
| 13:26.29 | Womble2 | cn: Did you install kernel-source-$(uname -r) ? |
| 13:26.47 | SquareRt | 14:03 -!- abrotman [n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] has joined #debian |
| 13:27.01 | newmanbe | Yeah, okay. |
| 13:27.10 | newmanbe | I am not sure if they *are* anything. |
| 13:27.14 | SquareRt | newmanbe: it seems to be staff and freenode "officials" that have these weird names |
| 13:27.20 | abrotman | SquareRt: yes ? |
| 13:27.23 | newmanbe | Everyone does. |
| 13:27.28 | newmanbe | That has a hostmask. |
| 13:27.29 | abrotman | SquareRt: i'm not official or staff :) |
| 13:27.31 | SquareRt | newmanbe: I mean, with /s in |
| 13:27.32 | mrou | join #xfce |
| 13:27.39 | SquareRt | abrotman: what are all these slashes for? |
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| 13:27.49 | abrotman | SquareRt: check the freenode faq? |
| 13:27.54 | abrotman | SquareRt: or maybe LoRez can explain ? |
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| 13:27.58 | SquareRt | abrotman: the "hostmasks" look like something out of X.500 or LDAP, and you were a good example |
| 13:28.13 | SquareRt | abrotman: or Jabber resources (*chuckle*) |
| 13:28.17 | LoRez | abrotman: explain what? |
| 13:28.24 | abrotman | SquareRt: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#pdpc_cloak |
| 13:28.31 | abrotman | LoRez: found it in the faq :) |
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| 13:28.48 | abrotman | SquareRt: as to why a / instead of . .. no fc |
| 13:28.49 | SquareRt | must be pretty new |
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| 13:28.58 | abrotman | SquareRt: about 2 weeks |
| 13:29.03 | abrotman | erm .. maybe a week |
| 13:29.21 | LoRez | abrotman, SquareRt: because they don't appear to be dns resolvable. |
| 13:29.34 | DarkSith | which language wouldyou advice to learn: python or perl |
| 13:29.51 | abrotman | LoRez: but freenode assigns my cloak .. my normal hostname is resolvable |
| 13:30.03 | abrotman | not that i really mind .. |
| 13:30.09 | LoRez | abrotman: but your cloak should not be |
| 13:30.10 | Womble2 | DarkSith: What languages have you used before? |
| 13:30.17 | zenit | DarkSith: since many scripts are made in perl, I would learn perl. |
| 13:31.19 | DarkSith | Womble2: a little java |
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| 13:32.24 | Womble2 | DarkSith: Then Python is likely to seem somewhat familiar and Perl would be more different. So, how much of a change do you want? |
| 13:32.28 | DarkSith | zenit, but isn't perl for people with a bit more experience |
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| 13:32.45 | Womble2 | Perl is for making dirty hacks ;-) |
| 13:33.10 | DarkSith | well i want to learn a language with which i can use during my linux experience |
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| 13:33.38 | Womble2 | DarkSith: Both Python and Perl are pretty useful. I tend to favour Python but I find Perl more appropriate for some tasks. |
| 13:33.50 | pizzathief | is there a way to get the package lists for the first three debian install CDs without downloading the iso's ? |
| 13:34.00 | zenit | DarkSith: I had only experience from Java-programming and some shell scripting before I learned some perl. |
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| 13:34.24 | Eclipser | bash is a good thing to learn |
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| 13:34.47 | DarkSith | so python would be better, easier to learn first and after a while learn perl? |
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| 13:35.21 | Womble2 | DarkSith: Maybe |
| 13:35.27 | epsilon | crontab question, I use as normal user "0 * * * * /sbin/ifconfig >> /home/user/iflog". Bus the file stays empty, /sbin/ifconfig doesn't return anything (also no error message). What's wrong? |
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| 13:35.53 | epsilon | s/Bus/But |
| 13:36.04 | zenit | DarkSith: how much experience with java do you have? |
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| 13:36.17 | DarkSith | zenit, not much |
| 13:36.22 | zenit | ok |
| 13:36.23 | Womble2 | pizzathief: Try asking on debian-cd@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:37.19 | pizzathief | ok , thanks |
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| 13:37.33 | DarkSith | Womble2, what do you use python for with linux, if you don't mind me asking |
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| 13:38.25 | zenit | DarkSith: I would recommend to borrow a copy of "Learning Perl". The book is great for all the basics, and that's all you'll need most of the time. |
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| 13:38.39 | zenit | If you are going to dive into it of course. |
| 13:38.53 | basix | Hi people, I am having trouble with my debian router. Whenever I try to ssh through putty, after entering my username, I get this message: |
| 13:38.54 | basix | System bootup in progress - please wait. Why am I getting this message?! |
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| 13:39.18 | DarkSith | zenit, i was thinking about buying either learning perl orlearning python |
| 13:39.24 | zenit | ah.. oki :) |
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| 13:39.59 | moty66 | hello, can i downgrade gcc from version 4.x to 3.3 |
| 13:40.04 | DarkSith | but i can't decide |
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| 13:40.40 | Womble2 | DarkSith: File conversions, CGI scripts, all kinds of automation |
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| 13:40.52 | gnupg | moty66 - try installing gcc-3.3 package |
| 13:41.03 | quiet | hey guys.. for whatever reason X won't start on a new install... the error message says that it cannot open device /dev/psaux No such file or directory. i don't believe I'm missing anything... i installed "Desktop Evironment" with tasksel... |
| 13:41.04 | Womble2 | moty66: You can have both installed |
| 13:41.05 | moty66 | I have it installed |
| 13:41.10 | moty66 | gcc-3.3 |
| 13:41.37 | gnupg | moty66 - try CC=gcc-3.3 |
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| 13:41.45 | v3 | hello all |
| 13:41.51 | moty66 | But when I try to install vmware kernel modules, it stop because my current kernel has been compiled with gcc 3.3.5 i guess, i dont remeber the version |
| 13:41.52 | DarkSith | Womble2, so going with your experience would pyhton be a step in the right direction? |
| 13:42.02 | fantomas | hi. How to report a bug? I did it before, just forgot the tool's name :) |
| 13:42.11 | thingfish | quiet: try doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and this time, selext /dev/input/mouse. |
| 13:42.23 | v3 | how do i remove xdm alone ? |
| 13:42.25 | Womble2 | moty66: Run update-alternatives --config gcc |
| 13:42.25 | thingfish | s/selext/select |
| 13:42.29 | quiet | can't i just change the device in XF86Config-4? |
| 13:42.39 | thingfish | quiet: sure, if you want. |
| 13:42.42 | gnupg | moty66 - what does gcc-3.3 -dumpversion say |
| 13:42.45 | gnupg | ? |
| 13:42.54 | v3 | when i do apt-get remove xdm it removes x-window-system too .... |
| 13:42.56 | Womble2 | DarkSith: It's probably easier to learn |
| 13:43.00 | v3 | which is now what i want ... |
| 13:43.08 | moty66 | gnupg, can i private message to u ? |
| 13:43.10 | basix | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-swedish/2004/05/msg00090.html <- which language is that in? It addresses my problem but I can't read it! |
| 13:43.24 | Womble2 | v3: That's OK; x-window-system is a meta-package that doesn't contain anytrhing important itself |
| 13:43.25 | gnupg | moty - yes |
| 13:43.30 | quiet | thingfish, that didn't work... :\ |
| 13:43.36 | quiet | i'll try dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:43.44 | DarkSith | Womble2, cause my goal is to administer linux systems and not in programming |
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| 13:44.11 | fantomas | Anybody knows how to report a bug on a debian package? |
| 13:44.21 | v3 | Womble2 tnx |
| 13:44.27 | Womble2 | DarkSith: Ah, well Perl seems to be more popular for administration... |
| 13:44.32 | gnupg | v3 - x-window-system is a virtual package which depends on xdm. |
| 13:44.39 | streuner | fantomas: what version of debian are you using? |
| 13:44.39 | thingfish | quiet: now that you've manually edited XF86Config-4, drxx won't work. |
| 13:44.45 | fantomas | streuner: last |
| 13:44.49 | fantomas | streuner: stable :) |
| 13:44.50 | zenit | DarkSith: yes, and you'll often discover that scripts made for sysadmin are either bash or perl. |
| 13:44.52 | v3 | gnupg tnx |
| 13:44.57 | moty66 | Womble2, nagafino:/home/moty66# update-alternatives --config gcc |
| 13:44.57 | moty66 | No alternatives for gcc. |
| 13:44.57 | moty66 | nagafino:/home/moty66# |
| 13:44.58 | Womble2 | DarkSith: I'm afraid no-one can give you a definite answer as to which is a better choice (except on comp.lang.*.advocacy...) |
| 13:45.07 | basix | oh c'mon guys! help me out here :'( |
| 13:45.11 | Womble2 | moty66: Hmm... |
| 13:45.18 | streuner | fantomas: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 13:45.42 | fantomas | streuner: 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
| 13:45.51 | AERUS | "CC="gcc -DNONLS -DLC_MESSAGES=6" what does it mean ? |
| 13:46.20 | Womble2 | moty66: apt-get install gcc/stable perhaps? |
| 13:46.21 | streuner | fantomas: that's NOT sarge |
| 13:46.30 | streuner | !info libc6 sarge |
| 13:46.33 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 13:46.36 | Joyrider | basix: do you have an /etc/nologin file? |
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| 13:47.01 | moty66 | Womble2, trying :) |
| 13:47.03 | fantomas | streuner: :P |
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| 13:47.14 | quiet | thingfish, so... what should i do? rm /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 13:47.38 | thingfish | !tell quiet about xmd5 |
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| 13:47.49 | basix | Joyrider: yeo |
| 13:47.57 | fantomas | streuner: its another computer, you're right. I didn't upgraded whole the system here... |
| 13:47.59 | basix | Joyrider: yep |
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| 13:48.05 | Joyrider | basix: that is the cause of that message, you should be able to rm the file and then logins will work |
| 13:48.05 | fantomas | streuner: anyway, how to report bugs? |
| 13:48.19 | streuner | fantomas: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:48.27 | zimnyx | if i'm not root, i have no access to digital camera plugged to USB port . how can i fix it? |
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| 13:48.58 | jesperj | how would I go about it if I wanted to install kfilereplace from another source that the provided debs (I want it as a standalone application with complete documentation). I made sure kfilereplace and quanta is not installed with debs and downloaded the new-kdewebdev-3.3.2.tar.bz2 from http://kfilereplace.kdewebdev.org/. Is it just to compile it or does it give problems? |
| 13:49.01 | Joyrider | basix: there is a script at /etc/init.d/rmnologin that should do that step for you, it must not have been run for some reason |
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| 13:49.07 | streuner | fantomas: if you wanna report a bug against sarge/stable, don't tell somebody else that i gave you that ;-) |
| 13:49.25 | DarkSith | okay thanks |
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| 13:50.25 | basix | Joyrider: i will remove that file but why the hell was it created in the first place?! |
| 13:50.32 | fantomas | streuner: ok :) I want to report a bug in sodipodi which is lastest here as far as I know. |
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| 13:50.57 | streuner | fantomas: so sid? /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:51.17 | Womble2 | basix: shutdown creates it if you specify a delay |
| 13:51.20 | basix | Joyrider: I tried removing the file (as root) but it says: rm: cannot remove `/etc/nologin': Read-only file system :O |
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| 13:51.40 | Womble2 | basix: mount -o remount,rw (root-device) / |
| 13:52.13 | basix | Womble2: thanks! it worked. i removed the file :) |
| 13:52.14 | Womble2 | basix: er, plus -t (fstype) |
| 13:52.27 | basix | Womble2: wasnt required |
| 13:52.39 | Womble2 | OK, I never remember how picky mount is about that |
| 13:52.45 | basix | Womble2: i used webmin to shutdown my system last time. could that be the problem? |
| 13:52.47 | fantomas | streuner: the same version in sid, just checked... 0.34-0.1 |
| 13:52.59 | Womble2 | basix: I don't know webmin |
| 13:53.09 | streuner | !info sodipodi sid |
| 13:53.15 | dpkg | sodipodi: (Vector based drawing program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.34-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 965 kB, Installed size: 3572 kB |
| 13:53.46 | streuner | !info sodipodi etch |
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| 13:53.52 | dpkg | sodipodi: (Vector based drawing program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.34-0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 965 kB, Installed size: 3572 kB |
| 13:53.56 | CountZ | i'm trying to resume an ftp download with ncftp, but it says the file is older on the server... any quick workaround? |
| 13:53.57 | zimnyx | how can i set permission to files creared by udev ? |
| 13:54.27 | fantomas | streuner: this nice program is not under active development, sad :( |
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| 13:55.16 | justin | !info inkscape etch |
| 13:55.17 | streuner | zimnyx: apt-get remove udev, done. |
| 13:55.21 | dpkg | inkscape: (vector based drawing program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.41-5 (etch), Packaged size: 5318 kB, Installed size: 17028 kB |
| 13:55.38 | Bags | Anyone in the room feel like helping a newbie put Ubuntu on a PPC ? |
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| 13:55.52 | streuner | Bags: we can help you to install debian |
| 13:55.55 | fantomas | justin: is it SVG-based? |
| 13:56.00 | PerfDave | Bags: Maybe you could try asking #ubuntu, since that's the IRC channel for Ubuntu. |
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| 13:56.19 | AlexBO | hello! i'd like run e2fsck, but i need to umount the device: i can't because it's the root partitions. can i restart linux and run the filesystem checking? |
| 13:56.34 | Bags | I've been on there asking for about an hour and noone's replied. |
| 13:56.43 | PerfDave | Bags: That doesn't make it our problem to deal with. |
| 13:56.45 | streuner | !they don't know |
| 13:56.45 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 13:57.03 | Bags | O k .... |
| 13:57.21 | PerfDave | Bags: Perhaps this should be taken as a sign that you might be better off installing something other than Ubuntu, if they're not very helpful. I recommend Debian, it's really very good ;) |
| 13:57.22 | Bags | Morons? Molest? |
| 13:57.37 | zimnyx | streuner: i'm a bit confused. after removing udev i files in /dev/ will not be deleted and i can set persistent rights on those files, correct? |
| 13:57.56 | Bags | I'm sensing some emotional responses here to a simple question. |
| 13:57.57 | streuner | zimnyx: reboot |
| 13:58.02 | zimnyx | streuner: what about file 'namedev' |
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| 13:58.10 | Womble2 | Bags: Ubuntu is similar to Debian, but the installation process is likely to be somewhat different. If no-one here has done the installation, we can't help you. |
| 13:58.11 | Bags | I'll leave you guys to it. |
| 13:58.14 | rbochan | Bags: the fact is, this is a _debian_ channel, and you're asking about _ubuntu_ |
| 13:58.17 | PerfDave | Bags: The simple answer is "no, #debian can't help you install Ubuntu, because Ubuntu is not Debian" |
| 13:58.23 | Bags | I get it. |
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| 13:58.25 | zimnyx | streuner: http://www.kroah.com/linux/talks/ols_2003_udev_talk/mgp00014.html says that i can set permissins there |
| 13:58.25 | streuner | zimnyx: no idea, i just use MAKDEDEV if needed |
| 13:58.25 | Bags | Thanks. |
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| 13:58.33 | PerfDave | Bags: However, if you want to install Debian, we'll be happy to help :) |
| 13:58.39 | zimnyx | streuner: i was using same method like you |
| 13:58.45 | rbochan | go ask about madrake in a redhat channel, you'll get a similar deal |
| 13:58.54 | Bags | PerfDave, Thanks mate. |
| 13:58.55 | zimnyx | streuner: but i have read that udev has some adventages |
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| 13:59.15 | Bags | PerfDave, I appreciate the sentiment. |
| 13:59.17 | CyzarX | hello all, is it possible during installation on debian, home directory is specified on different physical hard disk? |
| 13:59.25 | streuner | zimnyx: yes, get more aspirin in order to fight against headaches ;-) |
| 13:59.29 | rbochan | CyzarX: yes! |
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| 13:59.44 | PerfDave | CyzarX: Do you mean an individual user's home directory, or the home partition where home directories go by default? |
| 13:59.44 | Womble2 | CyzarX: Yes, there is an option to mount other partitions |
| 13:59.48 | CyzarX | rbochan, sounds good, any step by step howto ? |
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| 14:00.06 | CyzarX | perfdave, yes, both |
| 14:00.08 | PerfDave | CyzarX: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 14:00.12 | rbochan | CyzarX: it would ential you setting up partitions manually during the install |
| 14:00.36 | PerfDave | CyzarX: It's pretty self-explanatory once you get to the partitioning, but the Installation Manual is the place to check if you need further help. |
| 14:00.40 | hansi_xp | hello |
| 14:00.40 | x-Al1gma | hello hansi_xp |
| 14:00.46 | CyzarX | mmm..alright, what if after finish install, let's say now i wanna move all the home directories to other physical hdd ? |
| 14:00.46 | hansi_xp | geez you type quick |
| 14:01.01 | rbochan | CyzarX: definately do-able |
| 14:01.02 | CyzarX | perfdave, thanks! |
| 14:01.03 | PerfDave | CyzarX: You can do that too |
| 14:01.28 | hansi_xp | i can't eject my cd, it says busy, is there anything i can do except turn the computer off? |
| 14:01.52 | rbochan | hansi_xp: make sure there are no active thing in the cdrom area (terminals, open files, etc) |
| 14:01.53 | PerfDave | hansi_xp: What says "busy"? How are you trying to eject the CD? |
| 14:01.54 | CyzarX | hansi_xp, lsof |
| 14:01.55 | fantomas | hansi_xp: lsof | grep /cdrom ? |
| 14:02.12 | zimnyx | streuner: what device would be a digital camera plugged into USB? it's not scsi.. (like with pendrive /dev/scd0) |
| 14:02.13 | streuner | hansi_xp: get out of the folder where the cdrom is mounted |
| 14:02.36 | streuner | zimnyx: /dev/sda1 |
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| 14:02.59 | gnupg | apt: tell hansi_xp about umount |
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| 14:03.06 | streuner | zimnyx: if you are using a digital camera which is using usb-storage, of course. |
| 14:03.18 | zimnyx | streuner: i have no such files /dev/sd??, but camera works, i can dodnload images :) |
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| 14:03.29 | streuner | zimnyx: via gphoto2 |
| 14:03.33 | zimnyx | streuner: yep |
| 14:03.41 | streuner | zimnyx: that's ok then |
| 14:03.45 | quiet | i don't know what i'm doing wrong.. because i've never had a problem with this before... I cannot get a working XF86Config file |
| 14:03.50 | zimnyx | streuner: but what is the device? |
| 14:04.04 | streuner | zimnyx: try 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /somefolder |
| 14:04.11 | abrotman | quiet: did you try /dev/input/mice ? |
| 14:04.13 | streuner | zimnyx: mount ide-scsi |
| 14:04.14 | drac | quiet: XF86Config is for XFree 3.x |
| 14:04.18 | knuppene | er det noe fra norge???? |
| 14:04.22 | streuner | zimnyx: modprobe ide-scsi |
| 14:04.23 | quiet | XF86Config-4 drac |
| 14:04.23 | drac | !no |
| 14:04.24 | PerfDave | quiet: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 14:04.24 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 14:04.25 | quiet | abrotman, yes |
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| 14:04.46 | abrotman | quiet: if you have manually edited the X config file .. you will have to fix the md5 of that file |
| 14:04.52 | quiet | yeah i did that |
| 14:04.54 | mfrisch | knuppene my mom is |
| 14:05.04 | quiet | and i did the reconfigure... |
| 14:05.06 | quiet | still no luck |
| 14:05.07 | abrotman | quiet: it's a PS/2 mouse? |
| 14:05.10 | hansi_xp | if i type sudo eject busy, what should i type? |
| 14:05.17 | quiet | synaptics touchpad... but yes |
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| 14:05.29 | rbochan | quiet: what's not working about it? |
| 14:05.35 | quiet | i've tried /dev/psaux, /dev/mouse, /dev/input/mice |
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| 14:05.51 | zimnyx | streuner: wait a sec, camera is working, but not as scsi device, so how is it working now (with gphoto) ? i mean what is device, cause i have to set proper rights on it? |
| 14:06.08 | zimnyx | i guess it's /proc/bus/usb/001/ ... |
| 14:06.17 | uski | quiet, damn, you made me realize that i have lost my XF86Config (with the synaptics touchpad setup) last time my HDD crashed :\ |
| 14:06.35 | quiet | x won't start... no matter which device i select: I get "(EE) Configured Mouse: Cannot open input device /dev/<whichever I use> No such file or directory |
| 14:06.50 | abrotman | 2.6 kernel ? |
| 14:06.52 | rbochan | quiet: is the psaux module loaded? |
| 14:06.58 | quiet | uski, for a synaptics configuration section check here: http://www.frosty-geek.net/x5/x11/XF86Config-4.synaptics |
| 14:07.02 | mfrisch | quiet are the mod loaded |
| 14:07.04 | rbochan | quiet: and mousedev |
| 14:07.04 | uski | quiet: ty |
| 14:07.05 | quiet | abrotman, yes |
| 14:07.08 | streuner | zimnyx: with gphoto2 you have to do nothing at all.... |
| 14:07.11 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 14:07.11 | dpkg | i heard 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 14:07.22 | quiet | ahh... okay |
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| 14:07.25 | quiet | lemme try that |
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| 14:08.27 | quiet | "psmouse\nmousedev" is that a typo? |
| 14:08.47 | gnupg | quiet - \n means newline |
| 14:08.55 | quiet | oh okay |
| 14:09.02 | zimnyx | streuner: i add my user to camera grup and it will work, thanks |
| 14:09.50 | gnupg | moty66 - did it work? |
| 14:10.14 | quiet | okay... working now... i think.. rebooting.... |
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| 14:12.13 | cr3 | dpkg -l is returning a bunch of packages as 'un'. those are packages I purged with dpkg -P, so how can I clean the output of dpkg? |
| 14:12.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching is returning a bunch of packages as 'un'. those are packages I purged with dpkg -P, so how can I clean the output of dpkg |
| 14:12.26 | cr3 | oups, didn't mean to trigger ol' dpkg ;) |
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| 14:12.44 | quiet | yep, it works.. thanks guys.. |
| 14:13.07 | dimir | cr3: lol |
| 14:13.34 | dimir | cr3: to get only the ones installed? |
| 14:13.46 | hansi_xp | fuser |
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| 14:14.47 | cr3 | dimir: well, should the once uninstalled be appearing in the output of dpkg? is there a post-removal step I don't know about? |
| 14:15.10 | dimir | cr3: now, they ment to be kept there. |
| 14:15.10 | cr3 | dimir: for example, is there something I should/must to do the apt-cache? |
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| 14:15.56 | dimir | cr3: well, if you want to get rid of the previously downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives, you may execute 'apt-get clean' |
| 14:16.22 | dimir | to reduce disk usage a bit |
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| 14:16.58 | dimir | cr3: anyway: get the installed packages with: dpkg -l | grep '^ii' |
| 14:17.13 | lildude | hello |
| 14:17.13 | x-Al1gma | hello lildude |
| 14:17.40 | gnupg | cr3/dimir: dpkg --get-selections does work also |
| 14:17.42 | lildude | haveing trouble networking sarge |
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| 14:18.15 | hansi_xp | hello |
| 14:18.16 | x-Al1gma | hello hansi_xp |
| 14:18.24 | Morti | What's the best way to copy a directory and include all the file permissions, hidden files, symlinks, etc? |
| 14:18.26 | hansi_xp | that's a bot isn't it, no way can you type that fast |
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| 14:18.33 | sadfgg | how do I run X programs remotely using SSH, which varibles has to be modifyed in X and where is the file? |
| 14:18.37 | nkuttler | hansi_xp: i just had the same thought |
| 14:18.40 | nkuttler | hello |
| 14:18.40 | x-Al1gma | hello nkuttler |
| 14:18.45 | hansi_xp | hello |
| 14:18.46 | x-Al1gma | hello hansi_xp |
| 14:18.50 | hansi_xp | that's cool |
| 14:19.03 | Zta | I need advice on basic hotplugging.. My 2.4.27 kernel has CONFIG_HOTPLUG, I've made /bin/hubbart which is an executable script, I've done echo /bin/hubbard > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug, but the script isn't run when I plug and unplug usb devices on a running system. What do I need to make the script execute? |
| 14:19.24 | eye69 | sadfgg: You just need to enable X forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restart the SSH server and enable X forwarding when connecting |
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| 14:21.13 | CyzarX | how do i list out what ports are currently using by my systems? (except netstat -a) |
| 14:21.14 | sadfgg | eye69, /etc/ssh/sshd_config, how do I set x forwarding in the file? |
| 14:21.16 | pngwn | the owner of x-Al1gma needs to shut it off |
| 14:21.29 | hansi_xp | why? |
| 14:21.35 | eye69 | sadfgg: Read through the file and you'll find it. |
| 14:21.39 | nkuttler | it's annoying |
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| 14:21.43 | hansi_xp | i like it |
| 14:21.45 | hansi_xp | hello |
| 14:21.45 | x-Al1gma | hello hansi_xp |
| 14:21.52 | pngwn | hansi_xp, way to many people come and go to have a bot spew hello |
| 14:21.53 | Womble2 | CyzarX: What's wrong with netstat -a output? |
| 14:21.58 | nkuttler | hansi_xp: stop it, join #bots or so |
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| 14:22.09 | DarkSith | k |
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| 14:22.31 | Jacky^ | hii |
| 14:22.42 | Jacky^ | nice dayyy |
| 14:22.43 | Loevborg | how do I show the full absolute path of a file in the shell? |
| 14:22.44 | Jacky^ | :D |
| 14:22.45 | hansi_xp | hi |
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| 14:23.17 | CyzarX | womble2 nothing worng with netstat -a, there is other ways. i just wanna know |
| 14:23.23 | sadfgg | eye69, thank you |
| 14:23.28 | jetx | nkuttler: x-Al1gma isn't a bot but a guy with a script, btw |
| 14:23.29 | gnupg | CyzarX - try "lsof -i" |
| 14:23.57 | nkuttler | Loevborg: ls + pwd? |
| 14:24.04 | nkuttler | jetx: even worse |
| 14:24.06 | pngwn | jetx, he still needs to quit with it ;) |
| 14:24.08 | Womble2 | CyzarX: Look at the files under /proc/net |
| 14:24.08 | jetx | oh, and refused to turn the script off when asked |
| 14:24.15 | Loevborg | nkuttler, that won't resolve ../bla/foo.txt |
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| 14:24.37 | Joyrider | Loevborg: 'basename' should show you the full path |
| 14:24.38 | hansi_xp | so nobody likes windows hey? |
| 14:24.44 | jetx | i like windows |
| 14:24.51 | Joyrider | Loevborg: and you can just concatenate the actual filename on the end |
| 14:24.53 | AgentSmith | i like doors |
| 14:24.53 | jetx | i reboot to it once a week |
| 14:24.53 | Ronin | hansi_xp: i love windows they let the sun in etc. |
| 14:25.01 | rbochan | windows.. good for letting the breeze in |
| 14:25.04 | Womble2 | Ronin: Hey, you stole my line |
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| 14:25.16 | Loevborg | Joyrider, but basename isn't installed everywhere, + it's ugly |
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| 14:25.37 | jetx | speaking of |
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| 14:26.19 | nkuttler | Loevborg: what do you need it for? |
| 14:26.54 | Loevborg | nkuttler, just a matter of convenience (I want to find out the absolute path to add it to my .htaccess) |
| 14:27.29 | Loevborg | nkuttler, I've stumbled on this question a few times already, thought it's something most people do every now and then |
| 14:27.34 | nkuttler | Loevborg: pwd + relative path + sed/perl |
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| 14:27.53 | Loevborg | heh... |
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| 14:29.02 | Joyrider | Loevborg: there's no guarantee of a single absolute path for any file anyway, you could have symlinked directories in it - or do you want to resolve those away as well? |
| 14:29.06 | concept10 | Anyone know a good forum component to intergrate with the Mambo CMS? |
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| 14:29.20 | nkuttler | Loevborg: maybe there's option for find |
| 14:29.41 | Loevborg | Joyrider, no, links are okay |
| 14:29.54 | Loevborg | nkuttler, or maybe bash can do it |
| 14:30.04 | nkuttler | Loevborg: #bash |
| 14:30.09 | Joyrider | concept10: i know phpBB integrates with mambo, i don't know if there are any better options (i don't like phpBB) |
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| 14:32.08 | Womble2 | Loevborg: In C you could use getcwd() and realpath() to do it. |
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| 14:32.37 | concept10 | Joyrider, thanks. Yeah, Im looking for something other than phpBB but I will try it. |
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| 14:32.55 | Loevborg | Womble2, it's actually for a interactive command line, so it should be a bit more concise :) |
| 14:33.02 | Womble2 | Loevborg: Or in Python os.getcwd() and os.path.normpath(). Maybe there's something similar in Perl? |
| 14:35.27 | Womble2 | Loevborg: abs_path=$(python -c "import os, os.path, sys; print os.path.normpath(os.path.join(os.getcwd(), sys.argv[1]))" $rel_path) should do the trick |
| 14:35.59 | Womble2 | add some quotes around the $-expressions for safety |
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| 14:36.51 | Loevborg | Womble2, heh !! |
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| 14:37.12 | halibut | are there any decent DC clients for linux? |
| 14:37.14 | Loevborg | Womble2, thanks. |
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| 14:37.31 | halibut | (don't say valknut, it's terrible) |
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| 14:38.45 | dimir | love: so you think there is more servers that have 'python' cli than the ones that have 'basename' command? |
| 14:39.02 | dimir | I mean Loevborg |
| 14:39.25 | dimir | Loevborg |
| 14:39.28 | Womble2 | dimir: basename gives you the last component of the path; why do you think that's useful? |
| 14:39.30 | dimir | oops |
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| 14:39.49 | dimir | then use dirname |
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| 14:40.19 | dimir | or I did not understand the problem correctly. |
| 14:40.42 | dimir | well, I thought that pwd, dirname and basename should do all he needs. |
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| 14:41.38 | Loevborg | dimir, the thing is, it oughta be shorter anyway, like "ls -something file" |
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| 14:42.01 | JackyChan | anyone here had issues with tvtime giving black and white channels ? or lircd accepting a connect from irrecord but not receieving anything from the IR (pushing buttons on my remote) |
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| 14:43.02 | Womble2 | dimir: That won't eliminate .. and . components |
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| 14:44.10 | nkuttler | Loevborg: go ahead and submit a patch to the fileutils guys |
| 14:44.11 | Womble2 | Loevborg: Actually the Python bit can be just "import os.path, sys; print os.path.abspath(sys.argv[1])" |
| 14:44.15 | dimir | OK, sorry, I just can't understand the problem. |
| 14:44.24 | Schmock | hi! is there a list, where i can see, which package is on which cd of debian? |
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| 14:44.32 | ttyX0 | hi |
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| 14:44.40 | ttyX0 | how can I write to a remote xterm? |
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| 14:45.07 | dimir | ttyX0: login to the server and run 'wall'? :-) |
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| 14:45.13 | JackyChan | Schmock that would be handy :) if you learn of this answer please let me know |
| 14:45.26 | Schmock | ^^ |
| 14:45.34 | dimir | ttyX0: or echo Message > /dev/ttyXX |
| 14:45.50 | dimir | lol @ JackyChan |
| 14:45.50 | ttyX0 | no i need to type something locally but echo it on the other server in an interactive shell, i've seen it being done before |
| 14:46.03 | ttyX0 | remote not local terminal |
| 14:46.06 | nkuttler | ttyX0: screen? |
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| 14:46.34 | dimir | ttyX0: echo something | ssh user@remotehost "cat - > /dev/ptsXX" ? |
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| 14:46.41 | ttyX0 | there's a generic way |
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| 14:46.59 | Schmock | i only know, that the popular packages come first ;) |
| 14:47.21 | ttyX0 | like reference the terminal by it's name (xterm -name blah) |
| 14:47.47 | Schmock | hmmmmm i'm asking, because i wanted to know, if i need the third cd for a desktop system |
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| 14:48.10 | nkuttler | you can download stuff you need later |
| 14:48.20 | Schmock | i know |
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| 14:48.39 | Schmock | but it would be better to have it on cd |
| 14:48.49 | Schmock | for me ;) |
| 14:48.57 | ttyX0 | i guess i'd have to "while true do cat /dev/tty?? done" within the shell |
| 14:49.07 | ttyX0 | and then echo via rsh or ssh |
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| 14:49.27 | ttyX0 | from another sys |
| 14:49.46 | justin | !wayttd ttyX0 |
| 14:49.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ttyX0? |
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| 14:50.12 | silver_cpu | hi, everyone. i'm looking for the best way to deck my desktop out with eyecandy. i've tried out gnome with gdesklets, kde with superkaramba, and i'm thinking about trying adesklets. Does anyone have any suggestions of which one is best? |
| 14:50.12 | lildude | abortman |
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| 14:50.20 | ttyX0 | run a shell locally but echo it all on a remote terminal |
| 14:50.35 | silver_cpu | i'd kind of like to use kde, since i like the way that it integrates into the system and the way that it configures |
| 14:50.37 | nkuttler | silver_cpu: get a mac |
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| 14:50.41 | ttyX0 | gdesklets has most applets me thinks |
| 14:50.42 | silver_cpu | nkuttler, lol |
| 14:50.56 | Womble2 | Schmock: I am asking someone who may know. |
| 14:50.57 | asuffield | silver_cpu: try LSD |
| 14:51.01 | silver_cpu | nkuttler, i would if i could afford it |
| 14:51.05 | silver_cpu | LSD? |
| 14:51.32 | Womble2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD |
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| 14:51.44 | lildude | hey hey abortman |
| 14:51.45 | Schmock | thanks |
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| 14:52.03 | lildude | has any one seen sarge cranky |
| 14:52.06 | silver_cpu | :) yeah, but unfortunatley it won't keep track of what programs i'm running, orhow hot my cpu is |
| 14:52.17 | ttyX0 | so no one knows? |
| 14:52.19 | lildude | networking |
| 14:52.28 | nkuttler | silver_cpu: that won't matter anymore |
| 14:52.30 | justin | ttyX0: use screen |
| 14:52.37 | silver_cpu | haha |
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| 14:53.16 | Technel | Okay, I have been having a lot of problems with Apache2, PHP5, and MySQL4 on Debian Sarge. I have basically been going around in circles for days, so let me try to explain myself as clearly as possible. At first, my installation worked fine EXCEPT for the fact that PHP did not recognize the preg_* functions. Apparently I had to install a lib (forgot the name), but something went wrong and I ended up reinstalling Apache2/PHP5. Wel |
| 14:53.16 | Technel | l, believe it or not, it didn't really work. Fast forward a few days and it is still not working. apt-get says that apache2, php5, libapache2-php5, and php5-mysql are all at the latest version. Yet when I do "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" and go to http://localhost, it says the connection was refused. |
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| 14:54.12 | justin | Technel: php5 is not in sarge. |
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| 14:54.17 | nkuttler | Technel: short questions are nice |
| 14:54.34 | Technel | justin: Hence why I have tried dotdeb and the "dexter" user packages |
| 14:54.46 | Technel | nkuttler: Why doesn't LAMP work?/ |
| 14:54.56 | nkuttler | !doesn't work |
| 14:54.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 14:55.28 | Technel | Oh, wow. I am sorry. First my question is too long, and then it is too short. |
| 14:55.40 | justin | Technel: both of them lack any sort of useful information |
| 14:55.42 | nkuttler | Technel: yeah, sorry. we're pedantic here |
| 14:55.48 | silver_cpu | seriously, though, do you think gdesklets or superkaramba is best for configuration and eyecandy? |
| 14:55.56 | justin | Technel: read the apache logs |
| 14:56.01 | pro | hey guys, anyone know what i can use to set my speaker config on debian? like with 5.1 sound, it only comes out of the 2 speakers, not all 5 ? |
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| 14:56.32 | Womble2 | Schmock: He says to get the jigdo file (under http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/jigdo-cd/ or similar, depending on your architecture). They are gzipped text files and they eachhave a list of files at the end. |
| 14:57.07 | silver_cpu | pro, you're probably going to need to install the alsa utils, and use alsamixer to enable the other channels |
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| 14:57.31 | Schmock | oh cool thanks a lot womble2! |
| 14:57.33 | pro | silver_cpu: thanks, will have a look |
| 14:57.54 | silver_cpu | you'll also more than likely be able to edit the volume levels of the sparate channels with the volume mixer that comes with gnome |
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| 14:58.11 | silver_cpu | pro, what kind of sound card do you have? |
| 14:58.13 | pro | thanks |
| 14:58.17 | pro | Audigy |
| 14:58.23 | pro | sb Live 24bit one |
| 14:59.01 | silver_cpu | pro, is it the audigy, or the sb live? |
| 14:59.09 | silver_cpu | they're two diff cards |
| 14:59.29 | pro | well mine says SB - Live Audidy 24bit on the box |
| 14:59.31 | silver_cpu | either way, you're more than likely going to want to install with the emu10k1 module, hold on a sec |
| 14:59.44 | silver_cpu | what does lspci tell you? |
| 15:00.05 | pro | not sure, its on my home PC... but brb.... |
| 15:00.13 | silver_cpu | hehe |
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| 15:00.17 | pro | nope, dont have is lscpi here |
| 15:00.30 | silver_cpu | this website got me most of the way there, pro: http://at.or.at/hans/misc/audigy+alsa.html |
| 15:00.47 | pro | but i got it working with the alsa driver, just only plays out 2 speakers |
| 15:00.52 | silver_cpu | but don't install qjackctl or jack |
| 15:00.54 | pro | its the 7.1 sound one |
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| 15:01.00 | silver_cpu | hmmm |
| 15:01.04 | DarkSith | k |
| 15:01.05 | Womble2 | pro: It's lspci bot lscpi |
| 15:01.09 | silver_cpu | and have you run alsamixer from the cli? |
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| 15:01.38 | DarkSith | ; |
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| 15:01.56 | samuel | anyone know the name of a good program editor? like anjuta for C? (besides nano, vim.... etc...) |
| 15:01.56 | silver_cpu | also, you need to choose which device gmix (the volume mixer whose icon is in the top right of your screen) modifies |
| 15:01.58 | samuel | :) |
| 15:02.07 | takatumi | samuel: emacs |
| 15:02.12 | silver_cpu | vim is one of the best, but emacs is my fave |
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| 15:02.25 | pro | silver_cpu: yeah i did, it gives me a whole lot of stuff, but no sliders and stuff ( im used to aumix) |
| 15:02.41 | silver_cpu | pro, "it" meaning gmix? |
| 15:02.52 | samuel | takatumi, silver_cpu hmmm..... ok, thanks.... should i get the X or the terminal version? |
| 15:03.03 | dtaylor | samuel: like what, Eclipse? |
| 15:03.03 | silver_cpu | samuel, definitely get the x version |
| 15:03.10 | Womble2 | samuel: xemacs and emacs both support X11 and terminal use |
| 15:03.12 | pro | it = alsamixer |
| 15:03.16 | silver_cpu | but it wouldn't hurt to get the text interface as well, just in case |
| 15:03.33 | abrotman | samuel: for which language? |
| 15:03.36 | pro | in gmix i selected the right card, and i get the sliders, but only 1 does anything |
| 15:03.38 | drc | how hard is it to configure ISA soundcard btw? I remember a year ago when I tried a ISA nic, didn't turn out to be easy, infact I failed :D |
| 15:03.44 | Womble2 | samuel: They are two forks of the same program. I prefer xemacs personally. |
| 15:03.58 | abrotman | samuel: anjuta,bluefish,vim,emacs,kdevelop .. many |
| 15:04.28 | silver_cpu | pro, i'm not totally sure what the problem is, sorry. i've gotten all 5 channels in my sound card working, but right now i have only 2 speakers hooked up so i can't give you any advice |
| 15:04.30 | abrotman | drc: /msg dpkg isapnp |
| 15:04.42 | takatumi | samuel: try emacs21-nox, my fave. |
| 15:04.43 | drc | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 15:04.45 | Womble2 | drc: That depends. If it's configured by jumpers or by ISA PnP, it's not too hard. If it's meant to be configured by a custom DOS program, it can be difficult. |
| 15:04.53 | samuel | abrotman, C... dont have kde... so ill try emacs, since anjuta is "acting funny" with the display of source files and dont really want to fix it |
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| 15:05.06 | Womble2 | drc: I have some NICs that I needed to configure with a DOS boot disk before using them in Linux |
| 15:05.07 | abrotman | samuel: funny? .. |
| 15:05.17 | RvGaTe | whaaaaaaaahooo, goooood afternoon people :P |
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| 15:05.24 | pro | silver_cpu: thanks, i'll have a play around tonight, it could be cause its the 7.1 and i have pluged to the wrong ports, not tht im an idiot, but i'll try that anyway |
| 15:05.24 | RvGaTe | how ya'll doin |
| 15:05.31 | drc | Womble2: I got some ISA sb16's and I could put one in this machine, even when this is temporarily it's annoying without sounds ;) |
| 15:05.35 | alexrait | how do I tell apt-get to upgrade my kernel as well as everything else |
| 15:05.43 | drc | Womble2: ahh, that wasn't fun I guess? |
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| 15:05.57 | shingouz_ | RvGaTe: life sucks, kismet loses gpslock for somereason. want more information? ;) |
| 15:06.18 | dob1 | can i use bootmisc.sh as the rc.local that are on other distribution? i need to put a command to run during boot, i can use this file? |
| 15:06.21 | alexrait | Is there any option at least to let it ask me if I want to upgrade it or not? something similar to that? |
| 15:06.21 | ast_ | good afternoon !!! |
| 15:06.25 | takatumi | alexrait: man apt-get |
| 15:06.33 | shingouz_ | RvGaTe: i hope you are doing better :) |
| 15:06.33 | samuel | abrotman, the display of source files is not right, it seems as if the coords are all wrong since it writes words on top of words.... then if you select the words go "haywire" |
| 15:06.38 | alexrait | takatumi: but is it possible? |
| 15:06.43 | RvGaTe | shingouz_: yeah, wtf are you talking about, i dont get it, apart from the "life sucks" part.. :P |
| 15:06.52 | abrotman | samuel: sounds like a display bug .. does anything else do it? |
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| 15:07.01 | shingouz_ | RvGaTe: wardriving... |
| 15:07.06 | Womble2 | drc: At least it was only one time. I believe there is some hardware that needs to be initialised with a DOS program on every boot. So you have to boot DOS and have autoexec.bat run the hardware initialisation and then loadlin to start Linux. |
| 15:07.08 | samuel | abrotman, only in the little editor window, the rest is ok, and no, nothing else acts this way |
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| 15:07.15 | takatumi | alexrait: if there are newer kernels available, dist-upgrade should upgrade that too. |
| 15:07.15 | RvGaTe | shingouz_: hmm, whatever :P |
| 15:07.18 | shingouz_ | heh |
| 15:07.20 | abrotman | samuel: very odd indeed |
| 15:07.35 | samuel | abrotman, ill look it up in bts and see if its there... |
| 15:07.45 | abrotman | samuel: you're on sid ? |
| 15:07.46 | Womble2 | drc: But that was around 1996... |
| 15:07.48 | silver_cpu | pro, it's always best to assume a simple mistake. 50% of all tech support calls are answered with "did you plug it in" and "is it turned on" |
| 15:08.03 | pro | thanks guys, i'll bring more info tomorrow if i dont come right with it. |
| 15:08.05 | samuel | abrotman, yep, thats why im getting another editor now... |
| 15:08.06 | drc | Womble2: well that would be annoying |
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| 15:08.07 | samuel | :) |
| 15:08.14 | Technel | I am trying to get dotdeb's/dexter's packages for Apache2/PHP5 to work. I had a lot of problems the first time, and I think the problem is that the configuration files were not re-created when I re-installed the server. I get this error when I do "apache2ctl start": Well I am hoping someone can help with this error: apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 15:08.25 | pro | silver_cpu: yeah, i just pluged it the way the pamphlet thing said to |
| 15:08.29 | Womble2 | silver_cpu: Actually you have to say "can you try unplugging it and plugging it in again?" because most people are too proud to admit their mistake |
| 15:08.43 | lildude | mntman |
| 15:09.03 | RvGaTe | anyone here has a counterstrike source server running on debian? |
| 15:09.30 | pro | silver_cpu: but anyway, thanks i looked at that site you said and i have more understanding now... |
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| 15:10.03 | silver_cpu | Womble2, spoken like a true tech support veteran |
| 15:10.16 | Womble2 | silver_cpu: Thankfully I only know this second-hand |
| 15:10.21 | silver_cpu | RvGaTe, no but i just got done fragging some people with the client :) |
| 15:10.36 | RvGaTe | silver_cpu: cool, you play it? :P |
| 15:10.38 | samuel | abrotman, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322996 sounds about right |
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| 15:10.46 | abrotman | samuel: looking |
| 15:10.48 | silver_cpu | RvGaTe, sure do. cedega likes me :) |
| 15:11.15 | RvGaTe | silver_cpu: im trying to get a good config somewhere, got any recourses ? |
| 15:11.17 | silver_cpu | but i understand that you can run the server natively under linux |
| 15:11.35 | silver_cpu | RvGaTe, unfortunately i don't concern myself with running the server, so i'm not sure |
| 15:11.37 | abrotman | samuel: did you read the last part ? |
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| 15:12.12 | abrotman | samuel: there's a new anjuta in incoming |
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| 15:12.35 | samuel | abrotman, yep i read that, 1.2.4 |
| 15:12.42 | abrotman | samuel: you could try that ? |
| 15:12.50 | abrotman | samuel: and if it doesn't fix it .. append the bug |
| 15:13.04 | samuel | abrotman, thanks, i think i will... |
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| 15:14.15 | moret | hi! |
| 15:14.17 | moret | I need help |
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| 15:14.34 | abrotman | so ask .. explain issues .. not personal .. debian related only :) |
| 15:14.39 | samuel | abrotman, i can find this in experimental? |
| 15:14.47 | moret | I want to mount in my pc a directory of other pc connected by lan router |
| 15:14.53 | abrotman | samuel: no .. incoming |
| 15:14.55 | moret | some links please |
| 15:15.02 | nkuttler | moret: google.com |
| 15:15.06 | abrotman | !tell samuel about incoming |
| 15:15.13 | abrotman | samuel: just grab the ones you need afaik |
| 15:15.21 | dtaylor | moret: ref NFS, samba |
| 15:15.23 | nkuttler | moret: why mount? wouldn't a transfer do it? |
| 15:15.26 | samuel | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:15.32 | abrotman | samuel: seems like two .. but depends on the depends :) |
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| 15:15.47 | gniretar | hey guys |
| 15:15.58 | abrotman | moret: shared how ? |
| 15:16.04 | gniretar | anyone ever try multiple displays? |
| 15:16.09 | gniretar | i cant get mine to work |
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| 15:16.14 | gniretar | on my dual head vid card |
| 15:16.23 | moret | nkuttler: I want a directory in my pc is mounted in another like the same |
| 15:16.36 | samuel | abrotman, ill get the two packages of anjuta, and if they dont have the deps ill just wait and use something else in the mean time, thanks |
| 15:16.43 | nkuttler | moret: nfs |
| 15:16.47 | abrotman | haha |
| 15:16.49 | abrotman | !dualhead |
| 15:16.49 | dpkg | dualhead is, like, not a pr0n term |
| 15:16.53 | dtaylor | moret: if you want to get fancy there are ssh tricks too. |
| 15:16.56 | abrotman | samuel: okeedokee |
| 15:17.09 | gniretar | haha |
| 15:17.10 | silver_cpu | hmmm...ok, so let's say i want to go with gdesklets, how do i get my sensors working so that cpu/mobo temp sensors will work, etc? |
| 15:17.35 | gniretar | what is wierd is that when i turn xinerama off i get 2 seperate instances of KDE |
| 15:17.41 | drc | silver_cpu: you need some package called libsensors |
| 15:17.50 | drc | silver_cpu: or similar |
| 15:17.55 | gniretar | when i turn it on i get the same instance on both screens, they are literally clones of eachother |
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| 15:18.17 | gniretar | !help |
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| 15:18.36 | silver_cpu | hmm |
| 15:18.59 | sideone | anyone know how to (using sites-enabled under 2.0) redirect a user to an internal page on another server? could i do this with mod_proxy, even if the target ip is internal? |
| 15:19.03 | Joyrider | silver_cpu: i think lmsensors is the package name |
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| 15:20.09 | silver_cpu | hmmm.....i have both of those packages installed, but whenever i try to turn on a desklet that uses one of the sensors, it won't work |
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| 15:20.23 | Joyrider | you might have to config lmsensors somehow |
| 15:20.26 | silver_cpu | says that "a sensor could not be found" |
| 15:20.27 | drc | http://packages.debian.org/testing/libdevel/libsensors-dev silver_cpu |
| 15:20.32 | silver_cpu | drc, thanks |
| 15:20.51 | drc | argh that's dev package |
| 15:20.53 | abrotman | sideone: redirect |
| 15:21.09 | dtaylor | silver_cpu: you will need to run sensors-detect, and probably modify your sensor config file |
| 15:21.28 | silver_cpu | dtaylor, thanks, that seems to be my best lead so far |
| 15:21.32 | Joyrider | the last mobo i tried lmsensors on didnt report anything at all even after i messed around with sensors-detect and the config file for hours on end |
| 15:21.54 | Joyrider | but it was some old weird dual-proc thing so i'm not sure it even had any sensors :) |
| 15:21.59 | mjduncan | hello, I am having trouble with installing the latest kernel from kernel.org(2.6.12.4) on my dell inspiron 6000. After I compile(using make-kpkg) and install the kernel (using dpkg) I reboot and get an error "VFS: Cannot open root device or unknown block(0,0)". I have googled this problem and it seems I would have to change root=/dev/hda6 to root=/dev/sda6 because the 2.6 kernel has SATA support. But where many have succeeded I have failed. Any help |
| 15:21.59 | abrotman | sideone: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html |
| 15:22.08 | Technel | I am trying to get dotdeb's/dexter's packages for Apache2/PHP5 to work. I had a lot of problems the first time, and I think the problem is that the configuration files were not re-created when I re-installed the server. I get this error when I do "apache2ctl start": Well I am hoping someone can help with this error: apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf. Any ideas? |
| 15:22.10 | drc | silver_cpu: here we go: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=libsensors3&searchon=names |
| 15:22.15 | abrotman | mjduncan: you m issed an option .. |
| 15:22.32 | silver_cpu | drc, i think i have the stuff installed, but i just didn't have it configured |
| 15:22.37 | sideone | thx ab |
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| 15:23.06 | nkuttler | Technel: does the file exist? |
| 15:23.09 | madclicker | is there a gui based md5sum for sarge? |
| 15:23.21 | Lanix | am having problems executing evolution ... i have to open an console an execute from there it won'y execute throw menu / |
| 15:23.26 | drc | silver_cpu: ok, good luck |
| 15:23.30 | mjduncan | are you talking about the CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=y and CONFIG_SCSI_ATA_PIIX=y options |
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| 15:23.34 | Technel | nkuttler: No. |
| 15:23.37 | tarzeau | !for x |
| 15:23.37 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 15:23.49 | takatumi | mjduncan: what about rootfs? |
| 15:24.08 | colde89 | have a warning: install the kernel development/header file package. wich pakage is to install? the name ... |
| 15:24.13 | nkuttler | Technel: reinstall the package, if it's not in the package install official debian packages |
| 15:24.13 | tarzeau | moret: or shfs |
| 15:24.16 | mjduncan | the rootfs option? |
| 15:24.30 | silver_cpu | ok, gonna reboot and see what happens |
| 15:24.31 | silver_cpu | brb |
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| 15:25.12 | Technel | nkuttler: Like I said, that does not work. I deleted the apache2 directory, reinstalled Apache2, and it did not create it. Someone gave me a special command to install it with all of the directories and config files, I have no idea what it was though |
| 15:25.19 | Joyrider | colde89: i think you are looking for the kernel-headers package, there is one for each kernel version |
| 15:25.23 | madclicker | am using md5sum -c "md5sum file" and it doesnt show shit at the end of the check, why is that/ |
| 15:25.32 | nkuttler | Technel: purge the package, install it |
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| 15:25.57 | Technel | nkuttler: I have tried "aptitude purge apache2" already, but I will try it again... |
| 15:26.04 | colde89 | Joyrider: ok |
| 15:26.15 | nkuttler | Technel: if the config files are not in the package it won't work... |
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| 15:26.42 | mjduncan | tarzeau: what do you mean by rootfs? |
| 15:26.47 | Rydekull | hmm, is there any easy debian-way to share a broadband connection between several computers using the debian-comp as router |
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| 15:27.07 | mjduncan | abrotman: what option do you think i missed? |
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| 15:27.17 | abrotman | mjduncan: no idea .. not my machine :) |
| 15:27.18 | Joyrider | isn't apache2 a meta-package that covers each of the apache2 threading options? |
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| 15:27.26 | nkuttler | Rydekull: um... you may want to ask a specific question |
| 15:27.26 | AngelGabriel | How do i make sure that a particular client always gets the same host name from my DHCP server? |
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| 15:27.32 | Joyrider | you might need to purge apache2-mpm-prefork or whichever specific version you are using |
| 15:27.33 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: MAC |
| 15:27.45 | nkuttler | AngelGabriel: man dhcpd.conf probably |
| 15:27.48 | cddesjar | how do i add a user to sudo? do i edit /etc/login.conf and what do i need to put if i want to add user "foobar" |
| 15:27.53 | Technel | nkuttler: Listen to me: 1.) The Apache2 install is from the OFFICIAL package. 2.) The config files ARE IN the package. They were there when I first installed them. I just purged Apache2 and /etc/apache2 does not exist. When I install again, it will not recreate those files because it sees that a previous installation existed |
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| 15:28.06 | Witt | I have just installed Debian on my machine, when it went to boot, it brought up a message saying it could not start the X server. HELP! |
| 15:28.10 | Rydekull | nkuttler: well, I think that was quite specific, I asked for a easy 'debian-way' to share a internet connection :) |
| 15:28.12 | nkuttler | Technel: i see. |
| 15:28.20 | nkuttler | Rydekull: google the networking howto |
| 15:28.32 | Rydekull | nkuttler: true, but that isnt a easy debian-way :) |
| 15:28.35 | nkuttler | Technel: there's a --force-confmiss option for dpkg iirc |
| 15:28.40 | Joyrider | cddesjar: /etc/sudoers is the config file |
| 15:28.44 | nkuttler | Technel: or for apt-get, rtfms |
| 15:29.08 | silver_cpu | hmmm...still isn't working |
| 15:29.09 | cddesjar | oh i read in the man sudo it was saying somethign about /etc/login.conf...i'll check htat out joyrder thanks |
| 15:29.39 | Technel | nkuttler: michael:/# apt-get install --force-confmiss apache2 php5 libapache2-php5 php5-mysql <newline> E: Command line option --force-confmiss is not understood |
| 15:29.44 | nkuttler | Rydekull: 'share the internet connection' isn't really specific, try the nat howto |
| 15:29.52 | myr | Hi everybody ! |
| 15:30.07 | nkuttler | Technel: man dpkg |
| 15:30.23 | Lanix | is there a pkg for java ? |
| 15:30.25 | Lanix | yes |
| 15:30.27 | Technel | nksen: nkuttler Technel: or for apt-get, rtfms |
| 15:30.29 | Lanix | never mind |
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| 15:30.39 | Technel | nkuttler: You said it is available for apt-get as well |
| 15:30.52 | nkuttler | Technel: do you know the meaning of 'or' |
| 15:31.00 | cddesjar | i am new to sid...i keep noticing that when i install a program it says it can not be authenticated...why is that is it b/c of sid? |
| 15:31.07 | Womble2 | Lanix: You can use java-package to make one |
| 15:31.09 | Witt | can someone help me with a install/boot problem? |
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| 15:31.32 | Rydekull | nkuttler: Hmm, im curious, in what way can it be more specific. Im more then happy to submit such details. I have specified that it is a broadband connection, in other words I am using network adapters as interfaces. and I wish to use the computer as the router, so it should recieve on one interface, send on another to the correct place :) |
| 15:31.51 | mjduncan | abrotman: any suggestions where I can get more help in this area? |
| 15:31.52 | nkuttler | Rydekull: i told you, nat howto |
| 15:31.59 | Rydekull | nkuttler: and I know how to nat it and such, but im trying to learn if there is a easy 'debian-way' |
| 15:32.03 | abrotman | mjduncan: start with a working config ? .. |
| 15:32.16 | Womble2 | cddesjar: apt now checks signatures on package checksums, but I think they aren't always available (?) |
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| 15:32.41 | mjduncan | i am working with a net install |
| 15:32.56 | ginipig | hi guys, are there any immediate problems when replacing all instances of stable in sources.lst with testing and dist-upgrad'ing? |
| 15:32.58 | Womble2 | cddesjar: Or possibly you haven't installed the necessary public keys (debian-keyring) |
| 15:32.59 | mjduncan | that is how I am compiling the source |
| 15:33.07 | antgel | i've been given some photoshop files that gimp won't open. anything else in debian that i can use to edit these files, extract layers etc? |
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| 15:34.14 | CT-71 | hello |
| 15:34.15 | x-Al1gma | hello CT-71 |
| 15:34.17 | nkuttler | Rydekull: well, enabling nat is one line. do you want how to make it at boot? |
| 15:34.18 | abrotman | antgel: extension ? |
| 15:34.33 | antgel | abrotman: .psd |
| 15:34.35 | CT-71 | can someone tell me what the package manager is for debian im pretty new to debian |
| 15:34.37 | abrotman | mjduncan: you're making a custom kernel for the netinst ? |
| 15:34.40 | abrotman | antgel: nothing afaik |
| 15:34.41 | greycat | CT-71: dpkg |
| 15:34.48 | CT-71 | is it graphical |
| 15:34.48 | CT-71 | ? |
| 15:34.57 | abrotman | greycat: boy .. did you miss a lovely weekend :) |
| 15:35.01 | greycat | there are GUI front-ends to it |
| 15:35.05 | cddesjar | i haven't installed debian-keyring is that a package? |
| 15:35.07 | CT-71 | ok |
| 15:35.14 | Womble2 | cddesjar: yes |
| 15:35.15 | CT-71 | ... |
| 15:35.19 | CT-71 | o lol |
| 15:35.21 | Rydekull | nkuttler: heh, no, nevermind, i'll find out in some other way. Seems like communication aint coming through. Thank you anyhow :) |
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| 15:35.38 | Womble2 | cddesjar: But actually I don't know if that's necessary. |
| 15:35.41 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: speak? |
| 15:36.10 | cddesjar | i've never installed it when i used sarge or etch |
| 15:36.27 | mjduncan | abrotman: no, I am up and running on netinstall s configuration |
| 15:36.35 | abrotman | mjduncan: did you start with that kernel config ? |
| 15:36.56 | mjduncan | abrotman: yes |
| 15:37.04 | Womble2 | cddesjar: See this page: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/x83.html |
| 15:37.04 | concept10 | does anyone know how to register the IRC protocol in firefox so that it opens a channel in XChat? |
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| 15:37.28 | abrotman | mjduncan: and you compiled in the parts you need |
| 15:37.30 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:37.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: still +q? |
| 15:37.37 | mjduncan | correct |
| 15:37.45 | greycat | concept10: ask a firefox/mozilla channel (e.g. #mozilla @ irc.mozilla.org) |
| 15:37.58 | abrotman | mjduncan: wait .. which kernel are you running that does work? |
| 15:38.08 | mjduncan | using linux-on-laptops as a reference |
| 15:38.13 | greycat | 60 - #debian: ban %*!*@unaffiliated/fieldysnuts [by dondelelcaro!N=don@archimedes.ucr.edu, 244577 secs ago] |
| 15:38.20 | concept10 | greycat, Okay. |
| 15:38.24 | abrotman | greycat: yeah .. i didn't see it in there |
| 15:38.27 | Womble2 | concept10: I believe there's an extension you can use to set extrnal protocol handlers |
| 15:38.36 | mjduncan | 2.4.27-2 |
| 15:38.40 | greycat | abrotman: "/mode #debian b" and then "/lastlog fieldy" |
| 15:38.52 | concept10 | Womble2, okay, I will look that extension up |
| 15:39.14 | zephar123 | hey wondering if I could get a sec of your time when anyone has a chance i cant seem to get my graphics interface set right keep getting an error with xserver |
| 15:39.16 | ginipig | anybody recently upgrade from sarge (3.1 release) to etch? |
| 15:39.16 | abrotman | greycat: i see it now ... |
| 15:39.23 | Witt | I just installed debian for the fist time, it says it cannot start the x server. It will not start gnome up, it will only let me get to the terminal. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:39.42 | PerfDave | Witt: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 15:39.55 | greycat | abrotman: so... what did (s)he do this time? |
| 15:39.55 | zephar123 | same problem your having witt :( |
| 15:40.03 | benh__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.19 | abrotman | greycat: nfc .. i wasn't here that day .. you'd have to ask FieldySnuts .. at least i don't think i was |
| 15:40.22 | Ungy | zephar123, error? |
| 15:40.27 | abrotman | greycat: or ask dondelelcaro i guess |
| 15:40.31 | mjduncan | abrotman: http://eulex.0nyx.com/inspiron6000.html had the same problem I had but the fix he used did not work for me |
| 15:40.38 | abrotman | greycat: i don't think it was botabuse |
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| 15:41.14 | mjduncan | paragraph under installing |
| 15:41.17 | abrotman | mjduncan: what is your current kernel ? |
| 15:41.18 | cddesjar | womble2: hmmm...that site wasn't foundl |
| 15:41.36 | mjduncan | abrotman: 2.4.27-2 |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman | mjduncan: did you install the new module-init-tools before you installed your kernel ? |
| 15:42.14 | mjduncan | yes I did |
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| 15:42.34 | abrotman | mjduncan: did you try to use his .config ? |
| 15:42.36 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 15:42.39 | Womble2 | cddesjar: Try putting the URL into Google and getting the cached version |
| 15:42.49 | mjduncan | yes |
| 15:43.01 | abrotman | mjduncan: and you ran make menuconfig after that? |
| 15:43.04 | mjduncan | abrotman: Very weird problem |
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| 15:43.06 | abrotman | or make config ? |
| 15:43.08 | zephar123 | ack I gotta run outside ill be back in a bit guys |
| 15:43.18 | zephar123 | (stupid phone :( ) |
| 15:43.18 | mjduncan | make menuconfig |
| 15:43.49 | abrotman | !tell solemnwarning about away |
| 15:43.59 | Technel | When I do dpkg --force-confmiss -i apache2, why does it say cannot access archive: No such file or directory? |
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| 15:44.13 | greycat | Technel: because the archive is not named "apache2"? |
| 15:44.24 | greycat | most likely it's named "apache2_blah-blah_i386.deb" |
| 15:44.38 | mjduncan | abrotman: it seems like the kernel is grub is not recongizing the harddrive at all |
| 15:44.48 | abrotman | mjduncan: if it |
| 15:44.51 | Technel | greycat: Is there a way to search with dpkg? I usually use apt-ge |
| 15:44.52 | Technel | t |
| 15:44.56 | abrotman | mjduncan: if it's sata .. it will be /dev/sdx# |
| 15:45.00 | greycat | Technel: cd /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:45.35 | Technel | greycat: Great, thanks |
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| 15:45.59 | mjduncan | abrotman: under 2.4 kernel root=/dev/hda6, so I changed that to root=/dev/sda6 |
| 15:46.08 | abrotman | and you did run grub-install ? |
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| 15:46.26 | mjduncan | abrotman: no I did not |
| 15:46.32 | mjduncan | what will that do? |
| 15:46.42 | abrotman | mjduncan: hrm .. my grub-fu is not strong .. but i think you might have to do that ? |
| 15:47.15 | mjduncan | abrotman: Thank you, Ill will try that and get back to you |
| 15:47.21 | abrotman | okeedokee |
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| 15:49.08 | mrgoby | is there a way to just pull fresh checksums for all instaled packages off a debian mirror ? |
| 15:49.33 | greycat | there's the debsums package |
| 15:49.43 | greycat | not precisely what you asked for, but it might be what you need |
| 15:49.59 | mrgoby | well, that is what i'm using, i just can't trust the checksums on the machine |
| 15:50.08 | mrgoby | it was potentially compromised |
| 15:50.28 | mrgoby | trying to use debsums to verify the installed packages, but i need to pull fresh sums |
| 15:50.28 | Technel | Okay, so I did "dpkg --force-confmiss -i apache2_2.0.54-4_i386.deb", but /etc/apache2/apache2.conf still does not exist |
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| 15:50.36 | greycat | compare the /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums to those found on another box |
| 15:50.40 | jair | abrotman how are you? |
| 15:51.15 | greycat | Technel: is it actually *in* the package, or is it generated by a post-inst script? |
| 15:51.24 | greycat | Technel: and why can't you simply restore it from your last system backup? |
| 15:51.24 | mrgoby | right, i was hoping the other box could be a debian mirror |
| 15:51.51 | Technel | greycat: Because one must get one's computer working properly before making a backup :) |
| 15:51.54 | jair | I am starting with the official web site where I show show some contact information and a resume, very lightweight. but the only thing is that I have a dsl account and my ip address is dynamic. |
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| 15:52.01 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 15:52.01 | dpkg | it has been said that unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 15:52.19 | Technel | greycat: From earlier: "I am trying to get dotdeb's/dexter's packages for Apache2/PHP5 to work. I had a lot of problems the first time, and I think the problem is that the configuration files were not re-created when I re-installed the server. I get this error when I do "apache2ctl start": Well I am hoping someone can help with this error: apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf" |
| 15:52.31 | greycat | !pal php5 users |
| 15:52.35 | Joyrider | Technel: apache2-common owns /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, so try purging and reinstalling that, not just the plain apache2 package |
| 15:52.36 | jair | could i still make my web site work? currently I use no-ip and a domain name from no-ip as well. |
| 15:52.43 | greycat | do I need to mention my opinion of apache2 while I'm laughing? |
| 15:53.20 | jair | anyone here have a web site with a domain name from godaddy? |
| 15:53.45 | mrgoby | jair: depending on how often your IP switches, you might be better off with a no-ip or something similar |
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| 15:54.17 | mrgoby | there are clients that auto update your provider's dns servers when your IP switches as well |
| 15:54.24 | relbs | is there a command I can use to create an ISO image from a CD? |
| 15:54.33 | PerfDave | relbs: dd |
| 15:54.35 | mrgoby | dd |
| 15:54.35 | greycat | cp, dd, readcd |
| 15:54.50 | Technel | Joyrider: Got it, thank you |
| 15:55.02 | relbs | great, thanks! |
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| 15:55.28 | Technel | greycat: Why don't you like PHP5? Its OOP features are a significant improvement over PHP4 |
| 15:55.36 | jair | mrgoby ok, I appreciate your suggestions but can I explain you my situation? |
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| 15:55.49 | mrgoby | feel free |
| 15:56.06 | greycat | I hate OOP. Period. It's intentionally obfuscated as far as I can tell, although perhaps that's just my allergic reaction to C++. |
| 15:56.24 | jair | mrgoby I am using currently no-ip.com and the updater works just fine on my web apache server in the debian machine, I use sarge stable. |
| 15:56.54 | jair | mrgoby what i did is, purchase a domain name from godaddy |
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| 15:57.28 | Technel | greycat: It is virtually impossible to work on a large-scale project without OOP. Imagine programming a game without using OOP! |
| 15:57.37 | jair | mrgoby now I can probably pint the current ip address I have on my debian sarge but it will probably change if I reboot the machine probably. |
| 15:57.42 | abrotman | greycat: why doesn't everyone greet you? :) |
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| 15:57.56 | antgel | Technel: crap. large projects have been around for longer than OOP |
| 15:58.05 | jair | mrgoby sometimes it remain the same ip for long time but then sometimes it change |
| 15:58.07 | abrotman | Technel: that's total bull |
| 15:58.10 | DaDave | !nslookup t-online.de |
| 15:58.11 | aFlag | Technel, well, if you separate everything in modules and all you can manage it |
| 15:58.24 | aFlag | big projects were done before oop |
| 15:58.25 | antgel | Technel: what you mean is that you only know about OOP :) |
| 15:58.36 | mrgoby | jair: ok, that sounds normal |
| 15:58.37 | jair | mrgoby so can you name some other dns updaters or sugegstion to make my site work? |
| 15:58.37 | Technel | antgel: Versus, what? Procedural? |
| 15:58.41 | PerfDave | Technel: There are many many companies who program games without oop :) |
| 15:58.48 | antgel | Technel: versus anything not OOP |
| 15:58.49 | aFlag | there's functional programming also |
| 15:58.50 | abrotman | Technel: i think the term is top-down |
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| 15:59.02 | aFlag | darcs was made on that paradigm |
| 15:59.11 | PerfDave | You can use OOP-like features without having to use an OOP-based language like C++, also. |
| 15:59.12 | s_ward | Technel: I'm not sure how people did things before OOP was even in widespread use.. magic? |
| 15:59.21 | greycat | s_ward: hahaha |
| 15:59.25 | abrotman | s_ward: i heard they wrote Unix ... |
| 15:59.40 | jair | mrgoby ok, so the what I should do is, go to the no-ip.com site and set up a forwarding domain? like when people try to go to www.pcguruji.com the user will be sended to jair.no-ip.com |
| 15:59.44 | rking | is there a kernel-image compiled with gcc4? |
| 15:59.45 | aFlag | nah, unix is a small project |
| 15:59.45 | asuffield | s_ward: punched tapes |
| 15:59.51 | s_ward | Technel: Sure it's possible to code large projects in a non-OOP paradigm.. it's just another way of looking at it |
| 15:59.53 | antgel | OOP is a lot of bull. i learnt it at college and it was presented as the dogs nuts, but after a few years in the real world i realised it wasn't. |
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| 15:59.57 | aFlag | not as big and difficult as warcraft :P |
| 16:00.15 | Technel | aFlag: heh |
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| 16:00.21 | jair | mrgoby in this example the godaddy one is the www.pcguruji.com and the other one is ovbiosly no-ip.com |
| 16:00.22 | DaDave | antgel: what's so bad about OOP? |
| 16:01.02 | mjduncan | abrotman: I found out that I am getting some warning when compiling. I am getting a bunch of unknown symbols like the following 'ata_tf_load' when creating the kernel_image. Does this mean I am missing some options. Where do you start to find out which ones I am missing? |
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| 16:01.28 | antgel | DaDave: nothing intrinsically, but imo for most projects it's unnecessary. the idea is good but in practise it's often clunky |
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| 16:01.50 | jair | mrgoby but this look like will not work well because no-ip.com is the on online first the otherone is not reached yet unless I do a special configuration on the servers or domain manager of the godaddy.com |
| 16:01.51 | mrgoby | jair: you should transfer your domain to the dyn provider, most likely |
| 16:02.00 | concept10 | dumb question how do I rename folders from CLI |
| 16:02.04 | greycat | mv |
| 16:02.09 | concept10 | k |
| 16:02.09 | mig_zone | . /join #mellow-room |
| 16:02.22 | asuffield | get a great big magic marker and write the new name on the surface of your monitor |
| 16:02.33 | antgel | !folder |
| 16:02.34 | dpkg | i guess folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 16:02.38 | DaDave | antgel: hmm. i have discovered quite the opossite. i worked in projects where we didn't used OOP and after some time the project was almost not maintainable anymore. then we switched to use OOP and from then on it got much much better... |
| 16:02.55 | mrgoby | jair: checkout dyndns.com they offer some nice features |
| 16:03.16 | antgel | DaDave: perhaps it wasn't the switch to oop, but the switch to redesign it full stop that made it better. the experience gleaned from the first version etc. |
| 16:03.24 | s_ward | DaDave: That's more likely a problem with your project organisation, not the paradigm |
| 16:03.26 | concept10 | asuffield, how about your forehead instead? |
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| 16:03.48 | mrgoby | so, anyone know how to pull checksums for all installed packages ? |
| 16:04.21 | mrgoby | i have my machine's disk mounted under knoppix... i cannot chroot to it, because i do not trust any of the binaries on there |
| 16:04.30 | antgel | DaDave: when i worked at nortel, my project was the worst designed and coded ever. they called it c++ but really it was c in massive c++ classes, getting the worst of both worlds. |
| 16:04.46 | DaDave | antgel: actually it was the switch to OOP which solved the problem bc with OOP we where able to maintain the project still after some time bc OOP has capabilities for making things reusable, more easily maintainable and much much more. |
| 16:05.18 | s_ward | DaDave: In the end, you're going to use what you're good at, or you should. If you're better at OO design than anything else, then do it (assuming it's fit for the task) |
| 16:05.29 | DaDave | antgel: i mean of course you can do shitty code with both (OOP and functinal programming) but that is no reason to say OOP is bad. |
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| 16:05.51 | antgel | DaDave: but in practice resusability can be achieved with modules. maintainability is nothing to do with it. good code is maintainable whatever. |
| 16:05.59 | jair | mrgoby but I think that I have to check first the godaddy one because that one will be reached first, that is teh idea, and then can be forwarded to dyn or no-ip.com |
| 16:06.06 | streuner | hm |
| 16:06.22 | greycat | DaDave: no, good programmers write code that's reusable. has nothing to do with OOP. |
| 16:06.27 | PerfDave | OOP is not a magic bullet that makes code magically better, nor is it a magic bullet that makes code magically worse. It's just a paradigm, and not a universally applicable one. |
| 16:06.45 | antgel | DaDave: it's just my opinion. i think it tends to add bloat and ironically, complexity, to many programming problems. but i'm sure it has it's uses. |
| 16:06.50 | PerfDave | The only thing wrong with OOP is people claiming that it should be used for everything ;) |
| 16:06.52 | DaDave | antgel: maybe. but it's easier to make good maintainable code with a proper OOP language than with functional programming. and OOP makes things easier to code and so you need lees time for coding. |
| 16:06.59 | antgel | DaDave: prove it |
| 16:07.07 | antgel | don't believe the hype |
| 16:07.12 | DaDave | antgel: i did in a lot of projects. |
| 16:07.39 | antgel | DaDave: but perhaps you just _know_ it better, perhaps those projects just happened to be more suited to it |
| 16:07.58 | PerfDave | DaDave: So you refactored lots of existing code to be OOP, and made things more maintainable? Do you not think it may have been the refactoring that was responsible, rather than the OOP? :) |
| 16:08.05 | DaDave | antgel: 1. i don't use to "believe" in anything when we are atlking about programming since programming is scientic and not religion and 2. i do not use to follow hypes... |
| 16:08.14 | antgel | PerfDave: my sentiments exactly |
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| 16:08.26 | PerfDave | "programming is scientic and not religion" *rofl* |
| 16:08.33 | jair | ok guys what is a good dns updater application to use on debian sarge stable? |
| 16:09.24 | abrotman | mjduncan: yes |
| 16:09.26 | antgel | we just finished a pos system in perl/ncurses. now that's speedy. i never want to look at c again. we even used some objects (where appropriate ;) |
| 16:09.43 | Joyrider | jair: ddclient works well for me |
| 16:09.48 | PerfDave | antgel: A piece of shit system? ;) |
| 16:10.04 | abrotman | mjduncan: kind of anyways ... |
| 16:10.13 | DaDave | PerfDave: no it's wasn't the refactoring. history has proven (at least for the teams i was working in) that OOP is better for maintainability of the code when the code gets bigger and bigger. that is of course only true when you work with good programmers. a bad programmer can mess every thing no matter which language or methodic it is implemented in... |
| 16:10.26 | Joyrider | programming isnt science or religion, it's *art* :) |
| 16:10.34 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 16:10.35 | PerfDave | DaDave: So what you're saying is that good programmers write more maintainable code? |
| 16:10.58 | antgel | PerfDave: i have to say, it really came out well. it was an experiment for us. the restaurant opened last week and not one bug report yet. http://www.hbros.co.uk. |
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| 16:11.02 | greycat | "History has proven that when you take fresh-out-of-college programming monkeys who learned only C++ and Java, that OOP is the best programming methodology for them." |
| 16:11.13 | antgel | greycat: that was me |
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| 16:11.27 | DaDave | PerfDave: basicly yes. but i also say that it's easier to write maintainable code in OOP when you know what you're doing. |
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| 16:12.00 | PerfDave | DaDave: Where "you know what you're doing" means "you're familiar with programming in an OOP paradigm" |
| 16:12.05 | antgel | we infact learned java first, then next year c++ "for java programmers". i can't look at java now. clunk city and all that gay nomenclature e.g. WidgetFactory etc. |
| 16:12.08 | dcl | I would like to install k3b, but I get the following when I apt-get install k3b: The following packages have unmet dependencies: k3b: depends: k3blibs, kdelibs4, etc. Any suggestions? |
| 16:12.11 | DaDave | greycat: i have never seen the inside of a college :-) |
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| 16:12.16 | abrotman | it's easy to write maintainable code .. no matter which paradigm as long as you know what you're doing |
| 16:12.24 | antgel | dcl: stable? |
| 16:12.25 | PerfDave | DaDave: If you "knew what you were doing" when writing non-OOP code, you'd find it equally easy to write maintainable code ) |
| 16:12.33 | PerfDave | dcl: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 16:12.40 | abrotman | no college .. that might explain a lot ... |
| 16:12.40 | dcl | antgel, no unstable. |
| 16:12.47 | abrotman | or could |
| 16:12.51 | PerfDave | dcl: Did you check the BTS? |
| 16:13.09 | antgel | !tell dcl about unstable |
| 16:13.11 | abrotman | is kde3.4 starting to enter sid ? |
| 16:13.32 | PerfDave | abrotman: I thought it was starting to enter Etch... ;) |
| 16:13.35 | abrotman | zinx: you're also 63! |
| 16:13.43 | zinx | abrotman: much much younger |
| 16:13.47 | abrotman | PerfDave: i don't follow kde that closely .. obviously :) |
| 16:13.47 | dcl | PerfDave, what's the BTS? |
| 16:13.51 | abrotman | !btssmite dcl |
| 16:13.54 | fatal_ | DaDave: since it's bashing-dadave-day today, I'll throw this in to stir up more confusion: I prefer writing object oriented code in C rather then C++... |
| 16:13.55 | Rawplayer | bug track system |
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| 16:14.09 | abrotman | fatal_: into S&M eh? :) |
| 16:14.13 | Rawplayer | !botsnack |
| 16:14.19 | dcl | yes, I have apt-listbugs installed |
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| 16:14.23 | DaDave | PerfDave: not only familiar with OOP. i mean also in OOP you have to know how a function works :-) btw: i have coded for years in function programming (i started with QBASIC many years ago :-)) and so i know both principles wuite well. and for me history has proven that OOP speeds up development and briungs better maintainability. maybe others have different experiences... |
| 16:14.29 | zinx | abrotman: i owe my ability to the open source community and natural talent, rather than age ;) |
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| 16:14.44 | abrotman | zinx: aren't you special .. and not in a shortbus kind of way :) |
| 16:14.49 | concept10 | When installing and using content management systems, what do you guys suggest I should chmod the files to? They need to be writable, but Im concerned about security. |
| 16:14.58 | abrotman | concept10: groups ? |
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| 16:15.51 | PerfDave | DaDave: Fundementally, the plural of "anecdote" is not evidence". You're *arguing* that OOP is fundementally better for writing maintainable code, but you're *demonstrating* only that you know better how to write maintainable OOP code ;) |
| 16:16.02 | concept10 | abrotman, Im not sure, I have been testing with 777 but I dont know what extent these CMS's need to read/write. I get errors and such if I dont chmod 777 |
| 16:16.17 | abrotman | concept10: you'll have to see who needs to write to them |
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| 16:16.20 | PerfDave | fatal_: I've done that, it's quite a cute way of doing things. |
| 16:16.23 | s_ward | DaDave: Functional programming as in SML, or Haskell? You appear to be talking about a different "functional" programming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_programming |
| 16:16.34 | antgel | perhaps means modular programming |
| 16:16.35 | cn | i would like to set a wallpaper to fluxbox also after reboot how i do? |
| 16:16.40 | abrotman | !wallpaper |
| 16:16.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, wallpaper is at digitalblasphemy.com, or http://www.desktopgirls.com, or looroll.com |
| 16:16.42 | abrotman | cute |
| 16:16.48 | abrotman | dpkg: that's wrong! |
| 16:16.50 | antgel | that's the one |
| 16:16.56 | PerfDave | s_ward: I think DaDave is confused between procedural and functional programming, which merely serves to prove my point ;) |
| 16:17.04 | abrotman | or generally confused :) |
| 16:17.12 | DaDave | PerfDave: 1. i don't argue. 2. all i said is: in almost every bigger project i have seen OOP was the better choice. but this is only what i have discovered. others have different experiences. |
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| 16:17.49 | PerfDave | DaDave: I suggest you look up "argument" in the dictionary ;) |
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| 16:18.04 | zinx | DaDave: there's also the matter of doing OOP programming with a non-OOP language |
| 16:18.22 | zinx | DaDave: in many cases, it ends up being better to write stuff in an OO way in C, rather than in C++'s OO way ;) |
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| 16:18.44 | grendal_prime | hey im getting this realy obnoxious error when i run module assistant about an include file "array type has incomplete element type" can anyone help me out wiith that? |
| 16:18.50 | DaDave | PerfDave: em, to argue means to fight about something. and i don |
| 16:18.53 | s_ward | PerfDave: Well, I couldn't just let it go :) |
| 16:19.04 | DaDave | tdon't fight. i do only discuss rather than argue. |
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| 16:19.17 | jair | Joyrider I am sorry I was in the phone ddclient eh? |
| 16:19.18 | antgel | grendal_prime: did you google? |
| 16:19.26 | jair | Joyrider this is the situation |
| 16:19.40 | grendal_prime | it has to do with fuse..and one of the includes for it..i thought it was something along the lines of not having the correct header files installed for the proper kernel..and yes antgel i did several times.. |
| 16:19.46 | s_ward | !dict argue |
| 16:19.46 | antgel | DaDave: you do need to look up the definition |
| 16:19.48 | dpkg | Dictionary 'argue' (1 of 13): Usage: To Argue, Dispute, Debate. These words, as here compared, suppose a contest between two parties in respect to some point at issue. To argue is to adduce arguments or reasons in support of one's cause or position. To dispute is to call in question or deny the statements or arguments of the opposing party. To debate is to strive for or against in a somewhat formal manner by arguments.. |
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| 16:19.55 | abrotman | !dict discuss |
| 16:19.57 | dpkg | Dictionary 'discuss' (3 of 10): 2. To break up; to disperse; to scatter; to dissipate; to drive away; -- said especially of tumors. ;; Many arts were used to discuss the beginnings of new affection. --Sir H. Wotton. ;; 6. (Law) To examine or search thoroughly; to exhaust a remedy against, as against a principal debtor before proceeding against the surety. --Burrill.. |
| 16:20.00 | DaDave | antgel: i did. |
| 16:20.04 | abrotman | dpkg: that was horrible |
| 16:20.06 | greycat | !abuse abrotman |
| 16:20.07 | dpkg | abrotman: Your type *really* makes me puke! |
| 16:20.14 | abrotman | dpkg: i'm sorry |
| 16:20.24 | jair | Joyrider I have my web site working perfecly in a no-ip.com domain name and it also have running the dns updater no-ip.com from the debian distribution |
| 16:20.32 | PerfDave | DaDave: You're disagreeing with other people's opinions, and providing evidence to support your line of reasoning. That's an arguemnt, whether or not you're getting angry about it :) |
| 16:20.33 | Joyrider | jair: ok |
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| 16:20.38 | grendal_prime | antgel, do yo uknow of a particular site that should show if i google it? |
| 16:20.38 | greycat | sorry, this is abuse. if you're here for an argument, you need room 3b, just down the hall. |
| 16:20.47 | rue_mohr | how do I configure what get started with X? |
| 16:20.48 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 16:20.48 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
| 16:20.50 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:21.00 | jair | Joyrider so it is working good, but now I purchase the domain name and it looks like I will need a static IP address |
| 16:21.00 | PerfDave | rue_mohr: What do you mean, "what gets started with X"? |
| 16:21.04 | antgel | grendal_prime: nope |
| 16:21.07 | greycat | rue_mohr: ~/.xsession unless you use one of those god-awful gnome/kde DMs. |
| 16:21.08 | grendal_prime | o |
| 16:21.11 | RvGaTe | abrotman: having fun? :P |
| 16:21.13 | rue_mohr | I'v been hunting around this sarge install for a while |
| 16:21.13 | ke6isf | stupid git! |
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| 16:21.30 | jair | Joyrider so I was thinking if I can install a updater application and then use the domain name registered which is a .com |
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| 16:21.40 | simplexe | hiii |
| 16:21.42 | rue_mohr | greycat I think its ome of whose god-awefull gmome/kde ones |
| 16:21.45 | jair | Joyrider but I never used that ddclient before |
| 16:21.49 | rue_mohr | hmmm |
| 16:21.53 | DaDave | antgel: argue (as told by dpkg dictionary) "suppose a contest between two parties" <- i don't what do be in a contest with anyone. i don't care enough for starting a contest. so when i sai i'm youst discussing i think it's clear what i mean, isn't it? |
| 16:21.56 | Joyrider | jair: yes you could do that, but the only place that does that service i know about is dyndns.org and you have to pay |
| 16:22.02 | Joyrider | jair: you should read up about CNAME records; you can set a CNAME record in the DNS for yourdomain.com that points to yourdynamicname.no-ip.com |
| 16:22.27 | antgel | DaDave: but there is a contest whether you are aware of it or not. |
| 16:22.30 | antgel | !dict contest |
| 16:22.32 | dpkg | Dictionary 'contest' (1 of 16): . Contest \Con"test\, n. 1. Earnest dispute; strife in argument; controversy; debate; altercation.. |
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| 16:22.41 | Joyrider | jair: that way you just update your no-ip.com record as usual and yourdomain.com will use the same address |
| 16:22.47 | antgel | i never knew about that one, like it |
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| 16:22.58 | simplexe | i'm doing a make and there is this error at the end c compiler cannot |
| 16:22.58 | rue_mohr | PerfDave well, I dont want what I believe is panel to come up |
| 16:23.01 | simplexe | i'm doing a make and there is this error at the end c compiler cannot |
| 16:23.08 | greycat | !faq simplexe |
| 16:23.08 | dpkg | simplexe: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:23.21 | RvGaTe | dpkg sucks! :P |
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| 16:23.27 | DaDave | antgel: maybe for you there is a contest. for me there isn't a contest needs always at least two parties. and since i'm not going to be part of the contest there is only one partie left which means: no contest. |
| 16:23.33 | jair | Joyrider and you say that i should look for that CNAME on my domain name register? |
| 16:23.45 | peter1 | exit |
| 16:23.46 | peter1 | quit |
| 16:23.50 | grendal_prime | greycat, you know anything about "array type has incomplete element type" when using module-assistant? |
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| 16:24.04 | jair | Joyrider the thing is that I am little bit confuse with the dns servers that they gave me and if I need to have my own? |
| 16:24.07 | greycat | grendal_prime: gcc 4.0 meets linux. everyone loses. |
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| 16:24.13 | antgel | DaDave: there is even a contest over whether there is a contest. my head hurts. |
| 16:24.18 | s_ward | DaDave: You were just told a meaning of contest, and it wasn't swinging handbags at each other.. no one's doing that (yet) |
| 16:24.18 | grendal_prime | o bummer |
| 16:24.31 | Joyrider | jair: yes you might need your own DNS servers, the registrar doesn't always let you have full control over things like CNAME records |
| 16:24.36 | grendal_prime | so basically...if im running some sort of testing version...im going to run into this? |
| 16:24.38 | greycat | rue_mohr: apt-get remove gdm kdm |
| 16:24.38 | Joyrider | jair: you can use zoneedit.com as a free DNS server |
| 16:24.40 | greycat | rue_mohr: startx |
| 16:24.56 | grendal_prime | because it seems the routers that are running the generic, 386 images do not have this problem |
| 16:25.05 | jair | Joyrider nice, that one have the CNAME feature that you are talking about |
| 16:25.16 | antgel | rue_mohr: i think the graphical login things can optionally look at your .xsession. read the docs in /usr/share/doc. |
| 16:25.21 | DaDave | s_ward: however. i'm not part o any contest. i just told my experience and my opinion. i think fot this behaviour the word contest does simply not fit. |
| 16:25.22 | rue_mohr | greycat but panel still starts |
| 16:25.25 | greycat | antgel: xdm always does. |
| 16:25.35 | Joyrider | jair: in fact zoneedit.com has dynamic DNS features, that might be very good for you to use |
| 16:25.35 | rue_mohr | but I have no ~/.xsession |
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| 16:25.40 | greycat | rue_mohr: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
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| 16:25.47 | Joyrider | jair: then you wouldn't need CNAMEs or no-ip.com any more |
| 16:25.49 | antgel | DaDave: write your own dictionary then. what the hell, make up a language! :) |
| 16:25.53 | jair | Joyrider but that one is free? |
| 16:26.00 | jair | Joyrider hmmm |
| 16:26.03 | greycat | rue_mohr: there's a fallback if you lack a .xsession file |
| 16:26.12 | s_ward | DaDave: maybe in your limited dictionary. |
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| 16:26.23 | Joyrider | jair: zoneedit is free as long as you want to host 5 or less domains there |
| 16:26.24 | DaDave | antgel: i do not need to write my own dictionary. the dictionary which already exists does sai exactly what i did. |
| 16:26.35 | jair | Joyrider it is any dns server that you can install for debian sarge? |
| 16:26.37 | rue_mohr | ok, where is the lsit of startup apps for gnome? |
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| 16:26.44 | jair | Joyrider it is ok will be only 1 domain name |
| 16:26.48 | greycat | rue_mohr: god only knows. ask #gnome. |
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| 16:27.04 | Joyrider | jair: no you do not want to run the dns server yourself, you must have a static IP. use zoneedit.com as the DNS server for your domain and use their dynamic DNS client to update your IP when it changes |
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| 16:27.21 | antgel | rue_mohr: perhaps you can get things as you want them and then save your session. alternatively ditch gnome/kde. |
| 16:27.26 | DaDave | s_ward: why do you think my dictionary is limited. the meaning of contest is clear enough. hmm. maybe you should have a look at a dictionary, seems you don't understand the meaning of the word. |
| 16:27.54 | Joyrider | jair: http://zoneedit.com/doc/dynamic.html should be enough to get you started, though you will have to change the DNS servers at your registrar to the ones zoneedit.com gives you |
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| 16:28.12 | rue_mohr | antgel actually, you might be on to soemthing there about ditching it, this is for an appliance setup |
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| 16:28.16 | greycat | contest v.t. 1. 1. To make a subject of dispute, contention, litigation, or emulation; to contend for; to call in question; to controvert; to oppose; to dispute. |
| 16:28.19 | s_ward | DaDave: Will you accept this meaning for "argue"? """1. To debate or discuss; to treat by reasoning; as, the counsel argued the cause before a full court; the cause was well argued.""" -- you stated your opinions, and you reasoned for them -- it's arguing. Period |
| 16:28.24 | Bac9 | what's the syntax to have foo's stdout and bar's stdout be accepted by foobar on stdin and fd6? |
| 16:28.24 | greycat | I contest your definition of contest! |
| 16:28.34 | s_ward | DaDave: I don't think this is going anywhere ... |
| 16:28.42 | greycat | Bac9: *what8? |
| 16:28.45 | greycat | s/8/*/ |
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| 16:29.03 | ke6isf | Bac9: parse error (core dumped) |
| 16:29.07 | greycat | Bac9: /j #bash |
| 16:29.13 | jair | Joyrider nice my friend, thank you so much |
| 16:29.17 | greycat | Bac9: and ask the question in a coherent manner. |
| 16:29.17 | happy_broccoli | what does the debian-sys-maint user in mysql need access for. what does it do |
| 16:29.22 | jair | Joyrider I will be checking this out then |
| 16:29.24 | Bac9 | greycat: ok, with a standad pipe (|) you can redirect from one app stdout to another app's stdin, but how to do it with 3 apps? |
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| 16:29.37 | greycat | define precisely what you want to do. |
| 16:29.37 | Bac9 | green_earz: thanx |
| 16:29.41 | ke6isf | a reverse tee. Hmm. |
| 16:29.41 | greycat | you're not being clear enough |
| 16:29.53 | zinx | Bac9: mkfifo + two tee's |
| 16:29.54 | antgel | rue_mohr: don't know what you mean by appliance setup, but know that i am onto something. :) |
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| 16:29.59 | jair | check the shiddy logo I create myself on this static IP http://67.95.75.83 |
| 16:30.01 | antgel | happy_broccoli: mysql cron job |
| 16:30.04 | ke6isf | Bac9: The question remains, what are you piping into what? |
| 16:30.16 | Bac9 | zinx: any way to do it without using the filesystem? |
| 16:30.27 | zinx | Bac9: Write a program. |
| 16:30.32 | Bac9 | ke6isf: piping output from 2 apps into a third |
| 16:30.33 | jair | Joyrider check the shiddy logo I create myself on this static IP http://67.95.75.83 |
| 16:30.43 | Bac9 | zinx: a program for what? |
| 16:30.47 | jair | Joyrider that is just my resume so far |
| 16:30.50 | zinx | Bac9: eh, that's completely different from what you said |
| 16:30.52 | jair | Joyrider :) |
| 16:31.00 | zinx | Bac9: how do you want the output meshed? |
| 16:31.04 | DaDave | s_ward: i just wanted to make clear that i don't want to start a fight about programming principles. rather i wanted just to share my experience and my opinion. so even argue is to much like "fighting" in this situation. i think to discuss fits better in this place. is this now clear enough ? |
| 16:31.10 | jair | Joyrider thank you very much, I will try to have this runnign for today |
| 16:31.21 | jair | Joyrider do you have your site running? |
| 16:31.21 | s_ward | DaDave: arguing is not necessarily fighting |
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| 16:31.44 | Bac9 | zinx: output from first to go to fd6, output from second to go to stdout, and third accept stdin and fd6(assumed to be able to do the latter) |
| 16:31.46 | rue_mohr | ok, I made an empty .xsession and x immediatly quits :( |
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| 16:31.53 | _Xerox_ | my 17" monitor only outputs 640x480, could someone help me? :) |
| 16:31.54 | s_ward | DaDave: Can we stop contesting about contest, arguing about argument, and debating about debate now? |
| 16:32.04 | DaDave | s_ward: indeen. not necessarily. but it's often understood as fight. |
| 16:32.05 | antgel | rue_mohr: put something in it. google. |
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| 16:32.08 | ke6isf | !drxx _Xerox_ |
| 16:32.09 | dpkg | _Xerox_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:32.14 | DaDave | *indeed |
| 16:32.23 | pmitros | I've got a fairly minimal Windows application (it doesn't do much more than grab some images, text, and sound, with no further formatting, and display them). If the protocol is simple, I'm considering reimplementing it under Debian, so I don't need to find a Windows box every time I need to use it. Does anyone know of some sort of good applications for packet sniffing/protocol analyzing? I'm wondering if something slightly higher-leve |
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| 16:32.37 | jd|laptop | pmitros, ethereal |
| 16:32.45 | greycat | rue_mohr: good! then we know it's honoring .xsession. |
| 16:32.48 | mentor | pmitros: ethereal, tcpdump |
| 16:32.53 | DaDave | _Xerox_: buy a better monitor :-) |
| 16:32.54 | pmitros | jd: Thanks. I'll look at it. |
| 16:32.55 | greycat | rue_mohr: now just put your commands in it and it'll be happy |
| 16:32.56 | mentor | pmitros: tcpflow |
| 16:33.02 | simplexe | with a make i have this error configure: error: termcap support not found . |
| 16:33.09 | pmitros | mentor: Thank you. |
| 16:33.10 | zinx | Bac9: you can do it with bash, probably |
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| 16:33.24 | antgel | simplexe: that's only enough information to annoy people. |
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| 16:33.36 | Bac9 | zinx: but how? |
| 16:33.53 | rue_mohr | ah I see, it needs something like a shell |
| 16:33.53 | s_ward | DaDave: Yeah, that's a "heated argument" |
| 16:33.56 | nvz | pmitros: netdude reads tcpdumps pretty well |
| 16:34.05 | uid0 | would wget -r grab all contents in a directory, and all subdirectories and subcontents of that directory, etc etc? |
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| 16:34.17 | rue_mohr | nope, it just quit |
| 16:34.20 | simplexe | antgel: i'll paste the all text in #flood |
| 16:34.22 | zinx | Bac9: what is your third program? |
| 16:34.24 | _Xerox_ | i did a reconfigure, but i still only get the options for 640x480 and 640x400 in KDE |
| 16:34.30 | zinx | Bac9: (the one that accepts the input) |
| 16:34.38 | dafe | anyone have tried webmin? |
| 16:34.41 | Bac9 | zinx: aespipe |
| 16:34.44 | dafe | on debian |
| 16:34.45 | pmitros | nvz: I'm looking at screenshots. That looks promising. |
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| 16:34.49 | uid0 | dafe: I have |
| 16:34.54 | s_ward | !webmin |
| 16:34.54 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 16:34.55 | antgel | _Xerox_: ditch kde. :) |
| 16:34.56 | uid0 | it's pretty good |
| 16:35.04 | rue_mohr | aha! |
| 16:35.14 | uid0 | if yer lazy |
| 16:35.16 | uid0 | lol |
| 16:35.20 | rue_mohr | if I copy the xsession.default to .xsession it dosn't work either!!! |
| 16:35.28 | s_ward | s/admist/admits/ |
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| 16:35.39 | nvz | pmitros: yeah well if you arent a NIC and need help making sense of tcp packets in a graphical program its not too bad |
| 16:35.44 | uski | does anyone knows how i could install debian on an encrypted root... from the install CD ? I think i should pause the installation procedure just after partitionning, but im not sure if i can do anything useful |
| 16:35.51 | sciron | i seem to be having a case of hima, and dpkg doesn't seem to know: isn't there a virtual or meta package to install with qmail so debian recognizes a valid smtp server is installed? |
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| 16:36.01 | simplexe | antgel: a solution ? |
| 16:36.07 | waldo | is it possible to do a woody install over network nowadays ? i don't want sarge, i want woody |
| 16:36.12 | antgel | simplexe: you haven't told us what you are compiling. just look in the configure script for the error message and work backward from there. |
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| 16:36.30 | DaDave | s_ward: however. i think everyone should use what ever he want's to do. but i don't understand when ppl say OOP is always bad and claim about ppl who say that OOP fit's always. plus i don't understand ppl who say OOP is bad but did not even tried OOP in real. |
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| 16:36.54 | simplexe | antgel:i'm installing asterisk . |
| 16:36.55 | s_ward | !ppl |
| 16:36.56 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
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| 16:37.22 | DaDave | i meant people. |
| 16:37.29 | green_earz | dafe: yes its ok the link to the brower is over ssl . its ok for add ing info to a mysql database. good all so for looking a log. and more. |
| 16:37.33 | DaDave | and btw: i don't understand people too :-) |
| 16:37.37 | antgel | simplexe: fine. same advice applies. NB asterisk is in debian. |
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| 16:37.56 | simplexe | antgel: ?? |
| 16:38.03 | antgel | simplexe: ^^ |
| 16:38.10 | simplexe | antgel: how can i find it ! |
| 16:38.11 | CountZ | I'm researching a problem I have with swapper, with a box that has an 1gbe network card. A thread in the linux kernel newsgroup indicates that setting a higher value in /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes would help. Right now, my value is 957 - any ideas on a new value for this? |
| 16:38.22 | antgel | simplexe: just look in the configure script for the error message and work backward from there. |
| 16:38.37 | simplexe | antgel: too hard for me ! |
| 16:38.51 | zinx | Bac9: looks like you'll have to write a program :/ |
| 16:39.15 | antgel | simplexe: well if you can't be bothered, i certainly can't. why not just install the packages rather than build the whole thing. |
| 16:39.31 | sciron | CountZ> echo 1024 > /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes would change the value to 1024..... |
| 16:39.41 | zinx | Bac9: actually, maybe not.. |
| 16:39.56 | simplexe | antgel: there is no package of asterisk i have to build it ! |
| 16:40.44 | CountZ | sciron: duh... I know man, question is - how does this work in general? |
| 16:40.48 | antgel | simplexe: actually there is a package and you don't have to build it. |
| 16:41.09 | CountZ | where can I read about the values in /proc/sys/vm? |
| 16:41.32 | greycat | CountZ: in the kernel source |
| 16:41.34 | sciron | CountZ> oh, lol, THAT is a different question |
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| 16:41.59 | isensi | is xorg aptgetttable and if so how to install ? |
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| 16:42.09 | antgel | !tell isensi about xorg |
| 16:42.12 | waldo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.21 | antgel | !tell isensi about get xorg |
| 16:42.32 | nvz | where's waldo? |
| 16:42.35 | greycat | waldo: you probably want to use a different file system type than the default ext3, that's all. |
| 16:42.38 | finn | I want to get a ppl as soon as I have the money together |
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| 16:43.00 | SlayerXP | evening |
| 16:43.04 | simplexe | antgel: are u sure cause i find only tar file of asterisk ! |
| 16:43.06 | zinx | Bac9: nah, you get to write a program to do it |
| 16:43.07 | waldo | who cares what the underlying problem is :) it wrked with woody .. so i want woody |
| 16:43.13 | isensi | thanks |
| 16:43.16 | CountZ | ok I actually found a thread with serious replies to this problem, with one of the replies being from Alan Cox |
| 16:43.16 | antgel | simplexe: ffs. where are you looking? |
| 16:43.19 | monica | como vai vc |
| 16:43.27 | CountZ | also seems like it is fixed in 2.6.11 |
| 16:43.34 | nvz | monica: #debian-fr |
| 16:43.46 | waldo | greycat: i don't think it's a filesystem problem .. it's a DMA and timing problem |
| 16:43.56 | isensi | !tell isensi about xorg-nvidia |
| 16:43.58 | zinx | Bac9: read up on popen (though, you should be using dup2, fork, and exec) |
| 16:44.02 | antgel | !tell simplexe about u |
| 16:44.16 | simplexe | antgel: here http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=download |
| 16:44.17 | greycat | waldo: then use woody's kernel. |
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| 16:44.26 | greycat | waldo: no reason the userspace has to be obsolete |
| 16:44.40 | antgel | simplexe: it's _in debian_. i told you twice. |
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| 16:44.51 | simplexe | !!! |
| 16:44.51 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 16:44.56 | waldo | how do i do that ? , sry i've been using linux for over 2 years now but i'm kinde new on the kernel front :S |
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| 16:45.47 | greycat | just download the .deb after installation, and dpkg -i it. update the boot loader if necessary. |
| 16:45.48 | KudoZero | LongandStableLive4everyone!!!!!!!!!!!! http://pastebin.com/337516 I'm having problems with apt. Could you please help me. I'm with testing. thanks :D |
| 16:45.58 | s_ward | ouch |
| 16:46.00 | mrgoby | so, anyone know how to pull fresh checksums for all installed packages ? |
| 16:46.03 | SuperFly | can anyone connect to port 25 on outlook.aristocrat-inc.com ? |
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| 16:46.24 | SlayerXP | KudoZero: wait 24 hours and try again |
| 16:46.28 | zephar123 | cant rember a linux command its xconfigure or somethign liek that to reconfigure xfree86? |
| 16:46.29 | waldo | thanx greycat .. a lot |
| 16:46.31 | Bac9 | zinx: greycat mentioned <() as the apropriate syntax, and that's just what I needed |
| 16:46.41 | antgel | SuperFly: i hacked it, er i mean no. |
| 16:46.43 | zinx | Bac9: no it's not, since AES doesn't accept filenames |
| 16:46.49 | PerfDave | zephar123: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 16:46.54 | zinx | Bac9: that would have been my first choice |
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| 16:47.05 | Joyrider | SuperFly: connect to address 63.164.207.171: Connection refused |
| 16:47.05 | Bac9 | zinx: it does for passwords |
| 16:47.07 | zinx | Bac9: aespipe, even |
| 16:47.14 | zinx | Bac9: it accepts file _descriptors_ |
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| 16:47.25 | zinx | Bac9: those are not the same thing! |
| 16:48.07 | greycat | zinx: over in #bash, we came up with blah blah | aespipe -p 6 6< <(echo "bleh bleh") |
| 16:48.13 | shingouz_ | zephar123: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 16:48.15 | zinx | greycat: evil |
| 16:48.21 | zinx | greycat: very evil. |
| 16:48.25 | greycat | zinx: it's what he wants. |
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| 16:48.29 | zinx | greycat: yep |
| 16:48.33 | rue_mohr | arrrg, ok, without uninstalling gnome, how do I disable it from starting with startx ? |
| 16:48.39 | Bac9 | zinx: in *nix everything is a file |
| 16:48.45 | greycat | it's not *that* evil. |
| 16:48.48 | antgel | !tell rue_mohr about window managers |
| 16:48.50 | shingouz_ | rue_mohr: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 16:48.53 | ciga | hmm. I have squid 2.4.6-2woody9, and it crashes a lot. QA only mentions 2.4.6-2woody8. How could it be? |
| 16:48.57 | zinx | Bac9: uh. i don't see how that even close to applies here |
| 16:49.03 | antgel | argh |
| 16:49.16 | shingouz_ | rue_mohr: uh.. disregard my advice, i misread what you need |
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| 16:49.35 | Bac9 | zinx: aespipe can accept data on several file descriptors, not just stdin |
| 16:49.37 | antgel | rue_mohr: start another window manager in .xsession |
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| 16:49.49 | antgel | rue_mohr: or system-wide with update-alternatives. |
| 16:49.50 | zinx | Bac9: i'm fully aware of that |
| 16:49.59 | antgel | update-alternatives? |
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| 16:50.18 | Bac9 | zinx: so then what's the problem? |
| 16:50.21 | PerfDave | ciga: Is woody9 a security update? I don't think those go through the usual QA process, especially for oldstable. |
| 16:50.23 | antgel | antgel: yes antgel, update-alternatives. |
| 16:50.35 | zephar123 | ok thanx xf86config was the command i was thinking of |
| 16:50.48 | antgel | zephar123: don't use that shit in debian |
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| 16:51.02 | finn | antgel, why? |
| 16:51.02 | shingouz_ | zephar123: wrong. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:51.02 | zinx | Bac9: file descriptors are not files, though they do have an entry in /proc on Linux. aespipe wants a file descriptor -- greycat and #bash found a way to give it a valid one, by using redirection in conjunction with a process substitution |
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| 16:51.23 | antgel | finn: because it has no regard for debconf |
| 16:51.37 | finn | ok |
| 16:51.40 | zinx | Bac9: in any case, it's been solved now, so there's not really much point in going on about it |
| 16:51.52 | zephar123 | well whats right tool to use been askign for three days :( i jsut need to reconfigure so that it will boot up the video driver incorrect |
| 16:51.58 | Bac9 | zinx: ok, right filedescriptors don't have to point to filesystem, but actually they can point to /dev/fd |
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| 16:52.07 | PerfDave | zephar123: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 16:52.10 | zinx | Bac9: you're so hopeless |
| 16:52.16 | PerfDave | zephar123: For all your X troubleshooting and reconfiguration needs. |
| 16:52.23 | ciga | Oldstable Security Updates : 2.4.6-2woody9 |
| 16:52.35 | ciga | I've just found it. |
| 16:52.36 | shingouz_ | zephar123: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 16:52.37 | Bac9 | zinx: maybe |
| 16:53.11 | antgel | !tell finn about xmd5 |
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| 16:53.41 | zephar123 | when I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it tells me command not found i tried that from the dpkg thing |
| 16:53.49 | antgel | zephar123: are you root? |
| 16:53.50 | finn | good to know, thanks |
| 16:53.58 | ciga | perfdave: it should fix this: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-751 |
| 16:54.05 | jetx | !bootlog |
| 16:54.06 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 16:54.13 | simplexe | antgel: thx i've installed it but normally it runs with this command asterisk -vvvgc . and it's not running . |
| 16:54.15 | ciga | but it keep restarting. |
| 16:54.26 | ciga | keeps. |
| 16:54.37 | happy_broccoli | does hdparm work with a hardware raid ? |
| 16:54.39 | zephar123 | oh gotta be root ok |
| 16:54.54 | PerfDave | ciga: So file a bug? |
| 16:54.59 | shingouz_ | happy_broccoli: probably not |
| 16:55.03 | antgel | simplexe: you are using debian. documentation for packages is in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>. read it. i would expect that asterisk is a daemon and runs from /etc/init.d. |
| 16:55.24 | antgel | zephar123: read the dpkg factoid properly |
| 16:55.42 | ciga | PerfDave: 84 days old. |
| 16:55.44 | shingouz_ | happy_broccoli: at least i think it does not like scsi hardware raid... |
| 16:55.47 | ciga | hmm |
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| 16:56.20 | PerfDave | ciga: What's 84 days old? |
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| 16:57.04 | ciga | PerfDave: this bug is reported 84 days ago. maybe I should switch from oldstable... |
| 16:57.13 | simplexe | antgel: there is no asterik file in the directory /etc/init.d |
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| 16:57.29 | PerfDave | ciga: Or append information to the bug report, see if it wakes the maintainers up? |
| 16:57.33 | antgel | simplexe: did you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc? |
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| 16:58.22 | antgel | ciga: go to sarge if you can, anyway. it's the boom ting. |
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| 16:58.40 | PerfDave | All the cool kids are doing it ;) |
| 16:58.56 | s_ward | All the cool kids have done it :) |
| 16:58.59 | ciga | PerfDave: it is interesting that it worked fine. I recently configured for smb_auth. but the bug seems to be a dns problem. |
| 16:59.02 | antgel | PerfDave: no, they're running knoppbuntu |
| 16:59.09 | elSinuX | Hello, im working with debian unestable, and i have a problem with my mouse, /dev/psaux: no souch file or directory, any help? thks |
| 16:59.16 | ciga | antgel: my workstation has sarge. it is kewl, yes. |
| 16:59.21 | PerfDave | elSinuX: Use /dev/input/mice ? |
| 16:59.35 | PerfDave | ciga: You could always look at the changelog or diff between the two versions and see what's changed? |
| 17:00.15 | ciga | antgel: wonder how smooth the upgrade is. |
| 17:00.20 | simplexe | antgel: there is only gz files in this directory. |
| 17:00.39 | antgel | simplexe: read them. use most, zless |
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| 17:00.52 | ciga | PerfDave: yes, I can. |
| 17:00.58 | elSinuX | with cat /dev/input/mice i get the same |
| 17:01.02 | antgel | simplexe: we (or at least i) expect you to read the documentation before we help |
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| 17:01.15 | PerfDave | elSinuX: Are you using udev? |
| 17:01.29 | antgel | ciga: it's smooth as. use aptitude, not apt-get. |
| 17:01.36 | marcot | Hello, is there a way of generating a debian-cd with the d-i installer and a list of packages selected by me? |
| 17:01.48 | elSinuX | I dont know, udev |
| 17:01.59 | antgel | marcot: look at the d-i wiki. there's info on customising shit. |
| 17:02.10 | PerfDave | elSinuX: Do you have the "udev" package installed? |
| 17:02.16 | ciga | antgel: hm, I usually use apt-get. aptitude is more intelligent? |
| 17:02.39 | PerfDave | ciga: Read the notes in the Sarge Installation Manual about upgrading from Woody. |
| 17:02.39 | abrotman | RvGaTe: doing what?> |
| 17:02.43 | marcot | antgel: thanks. But I was wondering about a program to do this. |
| 17:02.49 | elSinuX | i think yes, no problem with USB mouse |
| 17:03.01 | marcot | antgel: ok, there's this info here. |
| 17:03.09 | antgel | ciga: yes, and if you read the upgrade docs, you'll note that aptitude is strongly recommended. read the debian-user archives to see how people came unstuck with dselect and apt-get etc. |
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| 17:03.43 | mwilson | Uh, people are much more likely to come "unstuck" using aptitude. |
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| 17:04.03 | ciga | antgel: thanks, do you have a starting point? |
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| 17:04.14 | PerfDave | ciga: The Sarge Installation Manual ;p |
| 17:04.15 | elSinuX | if I type mdetect -x i dont get answer |
| 17:04.26 | PerfDave | mwilson: Upgrading from Woody to Sarge? No, they won't, you're wrong, as usual. |
| 17:04.42 | antgel | ciga: not much more than edit sources.list, apt-get update, aptitude dist-upgrade. |
| 17:04.48 | antgel | ciga: and what PerfDave said. |
| 17:04.55 | mjduncan | abrotman: thank you for your help. You were right to say that my kernel config was wrong. I spent some time fiddling with it and got it to compile. MANY THANKS!!! |
| 17:05.00 | abrotman | mjduncan: yay |
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| 17:05.02 | miz` | Just wondering.... Where does wine configuration file lies at in sid? >.> |
| 17:05.03 | mwilson | PerfDave: Aptitude is dangerous. Its bug list proves that. |
| 17:05.13 | PerfDave | mwilson: Do shut up, you fucking troll. |
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| 17:05.17 | mwilson | PerfDave: I'm sorry you disagree, but that doesn't change the facts. |
| 17:05.29 | PerfDave | mwilson: You're still wrong, as usual. |
| 17:05.41 | antgel | mwilson: no, that only proves that it has bugs. the _fact_ is that it is strongly recommended for upgrading to sarge. |
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| 17:06.27 | antgel | ciga: read d-u and make up your own mind. and don't forget to tell us that you decided to use aptitude. :) |
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| 17:08.27 | abrotman | !jim |
| 17:08.27 | dpkg | jim is probably jim |
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| 17:08.43 | jim | this is true! |
| 17:09.05 | jim | hah, sorrree, I LOCKED it! |
| 17:09.23 | jim | long ago too |
| 17:09.26 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 17:09.36 | jim | when I actually came here to help people... |
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| 17:09.46 | abrotman | now you just sit around and fart? |
| 17:09.49 | elSinuX | I have a problem with my mouse psaux in debian unestable, I get X but the pointer is freeze. Any ideas??? thks |
| 17:09.55 | jim | nope, done farting... |
| 17:10.08 | jim | !any ideas |
| 17:10.08 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and 42 starving goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 17:10.16 | antgel | elSinuX: yes, configure your mouse properly |
| 17:10.54 | antgel | !tell elSinuX about mouse |
| 17:10.58 | abrotman | elSinuX: /dev/input/mice |
| 17:10.59 | jim | elSinuX: do you really want to be running unstable when you can't solve a simple problem like this by yourself? |
| 17:11.01 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 17:11.14 | dpkg | it has been said that 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 17:11.29 | antgel | how does he type so quickly? |
| 17:11.34 | abrotman | antgel: who? |
| 17:11.38 | elSinuX | ok thks |
| 17:11.43 | antgel | dpkg :) |
| 17:11.43 | dpkg | somebody said ) was the smile part of a face. |
| 17:11.53 | jim | it's up to you, but folks who run unstable and don't understand it are doomed to learn about it on their own |
| 17:11.53 | antgel | plum |
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| 17:12.16 | roler | is this ok in my log files? Aug 14 23:17:01 fordmuscle CRON[13840]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 17:12.20 | simplexee | antgel: sorry but still don't works with dpkg i've installed a asterisk-config who contains only confog files . |
| 17:12.22 | roler | i see it quite a bit |
| 17:12.35 | jim | roler: do you like it? |
| 17:12.40 | abrotman | roler: it's an oxymoron .. ford has no muscle |
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| 17:13.15 | roler | abrotman; heh... funny |
| 17:13.18 | antgel | simplexe: at this point, i can only suggest you read the debian manual and learn how to install packages. otherwise you're like, erm, a non-swimmer in a swimming pool. |
| 17:13.32 | jim | fix or regurgitate demonically? |
| 17:13.35 | antgel | !tell simplexe about aptitude |
| 17:13.40 | abrotman | roler: and yes .. it's fine |
| 17:13.50 | Mrdini | antgel, you mean a dead body on the pool floor? |
| 17:13.58 | roler | abrotman; thanks :) |
| 17:14.09 | abrotman | roler: many cron jobs on a system |
| 17:14.13 | antgel | Mrdini: eww |
| 17:14.15 | abrotman | roler: check /etc/cron.* |
| 17:14.28 | jim | well nonswimmers can also hang onto the edge |
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| 17:14.56 | jim | but going into the center is illadvised unless the pool is like 1 foo deep |
| 17:14.59 | n3x | Anyone know.. can you RAID 2x 10gb drives .. but lost 1gb? |
| 17:15.07 | n3x | lose |
| 17:15.13 | jim | (and diving into that is also ill-advise :) |
| 17:15.14 | n3x | bah |
| 17:15.16 | n3x | i mean |
| 17:15.21 | n3x | a 10gb and an 11gb |
| 17:15.35 | antgel | n3x: you can indeed |
| 17:15.56 | antgel | n3x: you could even use the other 1gb for unimportant data e.g. pr0n |
| 17:15.57 | asuffield | n3x: just put the raid volume on suitably sized partitions |
| 17:15.59 | n3x | antgel: will hardware raid cards usually bring one of the drives down? |
| 17:16.09 | jim | yeah, in fact that's not a bad thing to do because you can use the 1g as non-raid / and /boot partitions |
| 17:16.10 | asuffield | oh, hardware raid is your own problem |
| 17:16.12 | asuffield | consult your vendor |
| 17:16.15 | n3x | i intend to use all the drive |
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| 17:16.40 | asuffield | there's huge variation in the features of hardware raid, from the extremely powerful to the completely broken |
| 17:16.43 | n3x | ok.. we cal debian do mirrored RAID so if one dies it has the other? |
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| 17:16.55 | antgel | n3x: that is what raid-1 is. |
| 17:17.07 | rue_mohr | ok someone tell dpkg that echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager does NOT work... |
| 17:17.08 | moon_ | is this a hel chanel? |
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| 17:17.13 | roler | thanks |
| 17:17.15 | moon_ | help |
| 17:17.15 | antgel | jim: no problem with /boot and / on raid-1 |
| 17:17.17 | n3x | antgel: ok so the OS will keep running even when 1 drives fails.. right? |
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| 17:17.20 | EdibleText | moon_, it can be |
| 17:17.25 | antgel | n3x: it should do |
| 17:17.30 | asuffield | n3x: maybe. linux software raid is not fault-tolerant |
| 17:17.31 | n3x | ok |
| 17:17.36 | n3x | ahh |
| 17:17.44 | asuffield | n3x: so it'll probably come back after you pull the disk and reboot, but it might not keep running through the crash |
| 17:17.46 | moon_ | i just have a stuid question |
| 17:17.53 | asuffield | n3x: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't |
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| 17:18.10 | n3x | yea im looking for redundancy so it wont crash |
| 17:18.12 | jim | if you use the entire drive in your raid and there is nothing else for nonraid / and /boot (WHOEVER IS DOING THAT, DO NOT CHAT ME!!) partitions, you might run into problems. |
| 17:18.22 | antgel | asuffield: you know, i didn't know that. interesting. |
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| 17:18.35 | asuffield | n3x: consider the possibility of having two servers instead |
| 17:18.45 | n3x | jim: i only mount /home on different drives |
| 17:18.51 | n3x | asuffield: i do |
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| 17:18.52 | jim | unless you want to pay my consulting rates which apply to private help sessions. $75/hour firm. |
| 17:18.57 | n3x | how will that change anything |
| 17:19.11 | antgel | n3x: it gives redundancy. just not fault-tolerance |
| 17:19.15 | rue_mohr | what the ... not even removing gdm works |
| 17:19.17 | moon_ | How do i install a .deb package downloaded from a hompage. |
| 17:19.25 | abrotman | moon_: man dpkg |
| 17:19.32 | jim | moon_: dpkg --help |
| 17:19.55 | jim | it's easy, and you can see what else dpkg can do. quite a deal. |
| 17:20.08 | asuffield | n3x: with multiple servers, providing the same data in some kind of high-availability configuration, the only way one could affect the other is by catching fire or something |
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| 17:20.13 | moon_ | ok tanks abrotman bacus i tried with apt-get. now i know whys that dident work |
| 17:20.16 | antgel | rue_mohr: you kidding? |
| 17:20.27 | jim | rue_mohr: do you really want to do that?? |
| 17:20.29 | abrotman | that was english .. right? |
| 17:20.36 | n3x | asuffield: if the main one explodes (its happened) then i lose data anywars |
| 17:20.38 | n3x | y |
| 17:20.38 | asuffield | n3x: costs more and more work to set up, but more reliable. somewhere along the line you have to decide how much effort you're willing to put in |
| 17:20.39 | rue_mohr | I cant GET RID OF IT!!!! |
| 17:20.42 | jim | rue_mohr: normally that's an idiot move |
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| 17:20.55 | antgel | rue_mohr: you can |
| 17:20.56 | abrotman | rue_mohr: syphyllis ? |
| 17:21.06 | jim | unless you KNOW YOU WANT TO ERASE THE DRIVE COMPLETELY |
| 17:21.08 | abrotman | i can't spell ... |
| 17:21.22 | rue_mohr | ok, I'v removed gnome-core... and all its little minions... |
| 17:21.31 | abrotman | wtf is he going on about? |
| 17:21.34 | antgel | rue_mohr: have you removed gdm? |
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| 17:21.55 | rue_mohr | yes I did |
| 17:22.02 | rue_mohr | ok, austilus is next to go |
| 17:22.07 | rue_mohr | nautilis.. |
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| 17:22.26 | abrotman | rue_mohr: what the hell are you trying to do? |
| 17:22.40 | rue_mohr | make an appliance |
| 17:22.45 | abrotman | i'm serious |
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| 17:22.46 | asuffield | n3x: you can get hardware raid controllers that provide significantly more fault-tolerance than linux software raid, but then it's not exactly unknown for raid controllers to have firmware bugs. which lets you blame the vendor but it still crashed. can't win anything all of the time in this game |
| 17:22.49 | antgel | i often feel that desktop-environment shouldn't install gnome and kde. this bloated shit should be a sub-option. |
| 17:22.51 | rue_mohr | I am too |
| 17:22.54 | af_ | I am not understanding the kde situation in unstable |
| 17:22.57 | abrotman | rue_mohr: what are you trying to do |
| 17:23.03 | af_ | if you look at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kcontrol |
| 17:23.05 | rue_mohr | this machine is to run 1 and only 1 program |
| 17:23.05 | abrotman | af_: it's crap ? |
| 17:23.14 | abrotman | rue_mohr: what are you trying to do .. |
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| 17:23.27 | rue_mohr | no window manager, no panel, nothing but xtightvnc |
| 17:23.28 | af_ | it comes out that libqt3c102-mt it's currently not available |
| 17:23.29 | n3x | asuffield: im reallllly needing something to have GOOD fault tolerance and wont kill the system if one dies |
| 17:23.31 | abrotman | randomly removing stuff isn't a good idea |
| 17:23.39 | antgel | the number of people coming in here wanting to uninstall gnome and kde is pretty high |
| 17:23.44 | rue_mohr | abrotman I need a machine that is ONLY for vnc |
| 17:23.46 | af_ | what should I do to install kde then? |
| 17:23.58 | af_ | all packages fails on that depend..... |
| 17:23.59 | abrotman | rue_mohr: so ... apt-get --purge remove libgtk2.0 libgnome ? |
| 17:24.10 | abrotman | err libgnome32 |
| 17:24.11 | jim | I might want to make a tiny router that's quiet and has quiet storage... put debian or something on it.. what are my hardware options? |
| 17:24.13 | antgel | rue_mohr: or aptitude purge :) |
| 17:24.18 | asuffield | n3x: you just have to pick a definition of 'good' and go with it. multiple-server configurations are about as good as you get (just a question of "how many?" and "physically where are they located?") |
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| 17:24.40 | n3x | 2 servers located in Perth West Aust |
| 17:24.41 | rue_mohr | well, what I'm worried about now, it getting xtightvnc to start when X start up... |
| 17:24.41 | antgel | rue_mohr: why would you want to vnc to a machine with nothing on it? |
| 17:24.44 | stuarta | jim: have a look through old debian weekly news. Theres a few ideas there. |
| 17:24.55 | abrotman | rue_mohr: damn it .. just do it ... |
| 17:24.55 | jim | also, what is bluetooth? |
| 17:25.01 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 17:25.02 | dpkg | hmm... bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol |
| 17:25.02 | antgel | n3x: g'day. we're about to draw the test match with you. |
| 17:25.03 | abrotman | see |
| 17:25.04 | rue_mohr | antgel other way around |
| 17:25.12 | rue_mohr | this is the machine you vnc from |
| 17:25.13 | greycat | great specificity there, dpkg. |
| 17:25.15 | antgel | rue_mohr: aha fair enough |
| 17:25.16 | rue_mohr | its a monitoring terminal |
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| 17:25.30 | rue_mohr | live cricket? |
| 17:25.30 | abrotman | !bluetooth is also http://bluetooth.com/ |
| 17:25.30 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 17:25.35 | EdibleText | jim, soekris or perhaps solarPC |
| 17:25.37 | af_ | I simply don't understand that..... |
| 17:25.40 | n3x | 349-8 woah |
| 17:25.43 | rue_mohr | www.livecricket.streaming.com? |
| 17:25.45 | jim | so can I use some cells as a data connection for a laptop or something like that? |
| 17:25.46 | ke6isf | n3x: What station? My wife would be interested. |
| 17:25.57 | n3x | ke6isf: perth?... SBS |
| 17:26.04 | stuarta | n3x: cricket is good. Edge of the seat stuff. |
| 17:26.10 | greycat | H0T CR1C|<3T ACT10NZZ!! |
| 17:26.13 | ke6isf | n3x: No, states. Have to get a net feed. |
| 17:26.14 | af_ | looks like it's impossible to install kde in sid, actually |
| 17:26.17 | rue_mohr | you dont mean the bug do you? |
| 17:26.20 | jim | what's the fastest connection speed I could get from that? |
| 17:26.25 | moon_ | Do you need to extract a .deb pakage first or is there a flag that makes it install like the "apt-get install" |
| 17:26.41 | antgel | i never liked it but this series is exciting. i'm a football man but antics of idiot footballers making me dislike the sport. |
| 17:26.42 | abrotman | af_: switch to blackbox! |
| 17:26.48 | antgel | moon_: did you read the manpage? |
| 17:26.48 | n3x | i have SBS Digital from Optus Aurorah on Optus C1 Satelitte |
| 17:26.49 | astronut | what's a good image resizing program (console)? |
| 17:26.53 | rue_mohr | heh, unexpected signal 2, gee, I expected it to happen right after I hit ctrl-c |
| 17:26.56 | greycat | moon_: dpkg -i |
| 17:26.58 | af_ | I already have a working conf. |
| 17:26.59 | antgel | astronut: imagemagick (i think) |
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| 17:27.04 | moon_ | no i did the --help |
| 17:27.04 | asuffield | dpkg: bluetooth is also about as secure as shouting |
| 17:27.04 | dpkg | okay, asuffield |
| 17:27.19 | rue_mohr | perfect, x commes up and its empty |
| 17:27.24 | abrotman | moon_: man dpkg |
| 17:27.25 | asuffield | and probably not quite as fast |
| 17:27.34 | rue_mohr | now to start adding things back |
| 17:28.07 | antgel | one more wicket |
| 17:28.15 | n3x | oh noes Ricky is OUT! |
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| 17:28.38 | n3x | Damn poms |
| 17:28.45 | antgel | n3x: watch it |
| 17:28.53 | moon_ | thx greycat it worked |
| 17:28.54 | n3x | antgel: i am |
| 17:29.06 | n3x | is it at lords? |
| 17:29.06 | antgel | n3x: lol i meant calling us poms poms! |
| 17:29.11 | antgel | no pun intended |
| 17:29.16 | antgel | no, old trafford |
| 17:29.17 | n3x | heh ok pom |
| 17:29.18 | Thunder00 | hello. how do i change ip address in sarge ? is there a setup utility from command line ? |
| 17:29.21 | n3x | k |
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| 17:29.35 | antgel | n3x: who cut the dog in half? :) |
| 17:29.37 | stuarta | n3x: we're not allowed to lose this!!! |
| 17:29.41 | EdibleText | !pom |
| 17:29.41 | dpkg | methinks pom is Phase Of Moon, if you live in emacs-ville :) |
| 17:29.49 | n3x | stuarta: "we" ? |
| 17:30.05 | stuarta | n3x: Aussies! |
| 17:30.13 | n3x | Glen Mcgrath you poms are screwed now :P |
| 17:30.18 | EdibleText | Thunder00, ifconfig |
| 17:30.26 | greycat | it's a standalong program, too. |
| 17:30.30 | greycat | standalone* |
| 17:30.37 | greycat | /usr/games/pom in bsdgames IIRC |
| 17:30.53 | n3x | cat antgel > /dev/pom |
| 17:30.55 | happy_broccoli | can i paste 5 lines ? |
| 17:30.58 | abrotman | yay |
| 17:31.00 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: no |
| 17:31.06 | n3x | happy_broccoli: no |
| 17:31.07 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: er .. wait .. try it and see :) |
| 17:31.11 | abrotman | see how we treat pasters! |
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| 17:31.28 | jim | Thunder00: man ifup, man ifdown, man 5 interfaces |
| 17:31.36 | spidey | thunder go to /etc/network/interfaces and edit the file |
| 17:31.37 | CountZ | I get this error from make_kpkg: debian/rules:1625: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. |
| 17:31.43 | jim | !astrology |
| 17:32.03 | CountZ | it used to be ok but suddenly changed, plus there's a typo in that sentence |
| 17:32.05 | CountZ | :-) |
| 17:32.23 | n3x | CountZ: did you upgrade kernel recently |
| 17:32.48 | CountZ | no |
| 17:32.53 | CountZ | I am trying to |
| 17:33.02 | n3x | man this is ede of seat cricket! |
| 17:33.07 | n3x | edge |
| 17:33.19 | happy_broccoli | why is my raid5 4x slower than my single sata http://pastebin.com/337549 |
| 17:33.33 | jim | CountZ what dir were you in when you ran make-kpkg, what parameters did you feed to make-kpkg |
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| 17:33.49 | greycat | and what arch and subarch are you on? |
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| 17:34.10 | CountZ | make-kpkg --revision `date --iso` --append-to-version "-nsa" --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
| 17:34.15 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: because raid5 is slower on writes than a normal single drive |
| 17:34.17 | CountZ | this is i686 |
| 17:34.19 | greycat | ewww. |
| 17:35.00 | jim | CountZ: dir? (you might put a space first then put the dir) |
| 17:35.20 | CountZ | /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 17:35.44 | jim | ok, what dist are you running? |
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| 17:35.47 | CountZ | sarge |
| 17:35.55 | antgel | !pom |
| 17:35.55 | dpkg | from memory, pom is Phase Of Moon, if you live in emacs-ville :). Or Austrialian slang for a British person. |
| 17:36.01 | antgel | fucksticks |
| 17:36.01 | jim | hmmm |
| 17:36.05 | n3x | !pommie |
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| 17:36.11 | CountZ | what a nick |
| 17:36.15 | CountZ | :-) |
| 17:36.28 | spidey | Countz why dont you try installing a new kernel from scratch this is not an immediette option but this may help if no other things work |
| 17:36.53 | CountZ | spidey: I need version 2.6.11 specifically, as minimum, and I have to have the sk98lin driver working |
| 17:36.56 | jim | CountZ: see if this does anything... apt-get install build-essential |
| 17:37.10 | CountZ | jim: trying, although I always have build-essential on my boxes |
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| 17:37.24 | CountZ | already installed |
| 17:37.30 | jim | hmm, so it should do nothing, and we don't know anything new... |
| 17:37.32 | spidey | countz you may also try to do mkinitdr -o thing again |
| 17:37.37 | happy_broccoli | abrotman: i updated the pastebin with hdparm -Tt |
| 17:37.41 | duende | Help: I'm trying to create almost a duplicate copy of a debian install. Is there a nicer way of outputting dpkg --list so i can just copy and paste to an apt-get install line? |
| 17:37.46 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: huh? |
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| 17:37.50 | CountZ | hrm. |
| 17:38.02 | happy_broccoli | abrotman: everything is slower, not just writes |
| 17:38.07 | PerfDave | duende: Use dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
| 17:38.08 | jim | it looks like you know what you're doing |
| 17:38.13 | PerfDave | duende: Or replicator ;) |
| 17:38.13 | n3x | 12 balls left... |
| 17:38.13 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: scsi doesn't get to use hdparm .. and i'm not sure sata does either |
| 17:38.18 | duende | PerfDave, thank you ! |
| 17:38.37 | n3x | abrotman: SATA does |
| 17:38.40 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:38.41 | CountZ | I have a bad feeling about this specific box |
| 17:38.42 | abrotman | if you say so :) |
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| 17:38.44 | mrgoby | so, anyone know how to pull fresh checksums for all installed packages ? |
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| 17:38.51 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: what is the SCSI controller ? |
| 17:38.53 | CountZ | it was on 'unstable', and I think it was not upgraded to woodie in the switch |
| 17:38.59 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: and what speed are the drives? |
| 17:39.05 | CountZ | I put it on 'stable' just now |
| 17:39.13 | n3x | upgrade to woddy.... |
| 17:39.21 | n3x | isnt that downgrade |
| 17:39.25 | CountZ | yes |
| 17:39.32 | PerfDave | CountZ: You can't downgrade Debian, you have to reinstall. |
| 17:39.35 | CountZ | I know |
| 17:39.36 | jim | your upgrade would be to sarge maybe |
| 17:39.39 | happy_broccoli | abrotman: the sata is liek 7.5k the scsi raid compaq controller are 15k |
| 17:39.55 | PerfDave | CountZ: Also, "Sarge" is the current stable release, not "Woody". "unstable" is (and always will be) "Sid" |
| 17:40.00 | n3x | ohhh so close |
| 17:40.01 | CountZ | sarge scares me at the moment due to some issue some people have with libraries that break openssh |
| 17:40.08 | n3x | i HATE sarge |
| 17:40.15 | jim | ok, if your sources are correct, why not try apt-get dist-upgrade just to see what/how much it would do |
| 17:40.22 | PerfDave | Libraries that break OpenSSH? |
| 17:40.27 | PerfDave | n3x: That's not very nice. |
| 17:40.30 | happy_broccoli | how can i check if im running devfs |
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| 17:40.39 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: iostat say anything useful ? |
| 17:40.40 | CountZ | jim: a dist-upgrade shows nothing needs upgrading. |
| 17:40.58 | CountZ | jim: you using woody? |
| 17:40.59 | happy_broccoli | abrotman: what package is it in |
| 17:41.00 | jim | hmmm, and your sources point to stable or sarge? |
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| 17:41.25 | jim | no, sarge |
| 17:41.36 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: sysstat maybe? |
| 17:41.41 | abrotman | !find bin/iostat sarge |
| 17:41.43 | happy_broccoli | abrotman: yep |
| 17:41.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/iostat' (1): (/usr/bin/iostat) in admin/sysstat. |
| 17:41.55 | jim | hmm, weird... |
| 17:41.58 | CountZ | jim: how can I check this reliably? (what i'm currently running) |
| 17:42.10 | jim | when I type arch, this big door thing appeared out of nowhere... |
| 17:42.18 | antgel | CountZ: apt-get update? |
| 17:42.29 | happy_broccoli | how can i check if im running devfs |
| 17:42.29 | greycat | jim: cd out of the holodeck |
| 17:42.39 | jim | oh, ok |
| 17:42.45 | CountZ | antgel: wrong answer |
| 17:42.46 | jim | that must have been the problem... |
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| 17:42.57 | jim | yes, now when I type arch, it says i686 |
| 17:43.00 | cr3 | if a package is listed as to be purged but still installed, how can I change the status to installed? |
| 17:43.02 | CountZ | jim: when I type arch, I get i686 |
| 17:43.17 | greycat | pegasus:~$ arch |
| 17:43.17 | greycat | OpenBSD.i386 |
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| 17:43.31 | CountZ | greycat: Traitor!! |
| 17:43.34 | CountZ | j/k :-) |
| 17:43.41 | greycat | well, it was either that or: imadev:~$ arch |
| 17:43.41 | greycat | bash: arch: command not found |
| 17:43.41 | jim | greycat: how's that working? |
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| 17:43.49 | mbuf | how do i change keyboard input layout to chinese on gnome (using debian sarge 3.1) |
| 17:43.51 | n3x | CMON AUSSIE |
| 17:43.57 | greycat | jim: works fine. |
| 17:44.09 | antgel | n3x: looking like a draw |
| 17:44.11 | Thunder00 | apt-get didn't work during instalation due it incorrect ip address. now i changed the ip address, how do i start the installer again from command line ? |
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| 17:44.25 | CountZ | mbuf: you run away from china, renounce its ways, become an american, and then you don't even need to switch to the chinese layout. |
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| 17:44.36 | n3x | bash = good |
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| 17:44.38 | antgel | Thunder00: english? |
| 17:44.45 | n3x | antgel: possibly |
| 17:44.47 | mbuf | CountZ, hmmm |
| 17:44.50 | Thunder00 | due it = due to .. sorry |
| 17:44.51 | CountZ | ;-) |
| 17:44.51 | n3x | 4 balls.. |
| 17:44.53 | jim | so bluetooth could be used to provide a net connection thru a cell phone (which has bluetooth?) to a laptop? |
| 17:44.58 | abrotman | jim: it could yes |
| 17:45.08 | n3x | emacs sucks |
| 17:45.08 | antgel | just kidding of course |
| 17:45.14 | abrotman | antgel: because we don't all have severe mental disorders |
| 17:45.14 | n3x | nano all the way |
| 17:45.26 | jim | emacs is awesome for debugging C programs |
| 17:45.30 | CountZ | antgel: because of it's obnoxiously confusing keyboard shortcuts? :) |
| 17:45.31 | greycat | DoppelGanger: I'm not l33t enough to be a ksh d00d. |
| 17:45.41 | antgel | rms makes me want to puke |
| 17:45.53 | greycat | DoppelGanger: actually I learned bash long before I started using openbsd. and bash is much better than the commercial ksh I used on AIX et al. |
| 17:45.53 | DoppelGanger | ok |
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| 17:46.06 | antgel | i even eat my dinner and breathe in emacs |
| 17:46.21 | greycat | openbsd's ksh is better, but it still has one VERY annoying feature: you can't see your whole command at once. it scrolls horizontally. I *hate* that. |
| 17:46.24 | mbuf | how do i change my keyboard language layout on gnome on debian sarge 3.1 ? |
| 17:46.35 | n3x | 1 ball left |
| 17:46.44 | greycat | n3x: pinball tournament? |
| 17:46.45 | micker | hey all, anyone know anything about postscript font management? I'm trying to switch everything I use for work over to debian, but I have a ton of postscript fonts and I need something like ATM or extensis suitcase.... is there anything like that? |
| 17:46.46 | antgel | n3x: i'm blowing the stumps over |
| 17:46.47 | jim | uhoh, you need surgery |
| 17:46.56 | CountZ | ok what happens if I compile a kernel image on an unstable box, and then install this kernel on a stable box? am I going to burn in hell? |
| 17:46.58 | antgel | lucky aussies |
| 17:46.58 | n3x | draw! |
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| 17:47.08 | n3x | not luck |
| 17:47.08 | greycat | CountZ: possibly, but not because of the kernel. |
| 17:47.12 | n3x | Skillfull Aussies |
| 17:47.14 | CountZ | greycat :-) |
| 17:47.14 | DarkSith | what's up people |
| 17:47.20 | jim | sky |
| 17:47.22 | jim | sun |
| 17:47.24 | stuarta | antgel: good weather management :-) |
| 17:47.26 | greycat | ceiling tiles |
| 17:47.26 | CountZ | DarkSith: I lost my lightsaber today <boohoo> |
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| 17:47.30 | jim | higher things |
| 17:47.48 | antgel | whoever would have thought that cricket could be interesting |
| 17:47.54 | greycat | not me. |
| 17:48.00 | DarkSith | Countz, then you were not wourty to have one |
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| 17:48.53 | ChrisBradley | Good morning from kopete land |
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| 17:49.08 | jim | does anyone use sprint to provide a data connection over bluetooth |
| 17:49.15 | n3x | Good Nite from Perth West Australia :P |
| 17:49.21 | abrotman | jim: depends on your phone .. not the provider |
| 17:49.54 | rbochan | holy cow, just got back from damage control after someone had called geeksquad |
| 17:50.00 | CountZ | DarkSith: I didn't have one originally, I stole it |
| 17:50.01 | jim | ok... but how does the data get thru the phone? acoustic like plain modems? hwo fast can it go? |
| 17:50.07 | abrotman | rbochan: were there bodies all over? |
| 17:50.20 | abrotman | jim: your laptop uses the bluetooth phone as a modem |
| 17:50.26 | greycat | rbochan: were the bodies lawyers? |
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| 17:50.33 | abrotman | jim: your laptop and phone obviously both have to have bluetooth :) |
| 17:50.39 | malex | Hi. Any hints on how to force Thunderbird to wrap text in the incoming messages? |
| 17:50.41 | rbochan | abrotman: they charged a 76 year old woman $229 to virus/spyware scan her 233/64 meg.. not including software |
| 17:50.48 | abrotman | oucgh |
| 17:50.55 | jim | and the bluetooth is a wireless link between the two? |
| 17:50.55 | DarkSith | Countz, emperial lover :-) |
| 17:50.59 | rbochan | and then it wasn't even clean |
| 17:51.07 | abrotman | jim: some cell companies have another service instead of dialing your own ISP |
| 17:51.16 | zinx | rbochan: it probably took hours to do |
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| 17:51.19 | abrotman | jim: yep .. wifi i guess .. but only 12 feet or so |
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| 17:51.26 | rbochan | zinx: she said they were there 1 hour |
| 17:51.28 | abrotman | er like wifi i guess :) |
| 17:51.29 | jim | oic, so this is all really at (say) 56k or so |
| 17:51.33 | zinx | rbochan: then they overcharged :) |
| 17:51.46 | n3x | what phone network? |
| 17:51.47 | rbochan | that's just criminal |
| 17:51.47 | abrotman | jim: bluetooth is faster than 56k .. not sure about using the phone as a modem though |
| 17:51.57 | abrotman | jim: and depends on your cell company also |
| 17:52.05 | abrotman | jim: are you lokoing for mobile service? |
| 17:52.15 | n3x | if you with somoene like THree 3 its 384k |
| 17:52.51 | codemaster_ | hi all |
| 17:52.52 | jim | ok, forexample might cell companies (sprint or metropcs for example) provide internet over a faster connection? |
| 17:53.23 | abrotman | jim: you mean instead of calling up like AOL or earthlink? |
| 17:53.24 | geemark | "mv: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14" <-- what is going wrong here? |
| 17:53.29 | jim | yes |
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| 17:53.45 | jim | so the cell provider would also be the isp |
| 17:53.52 | abrotman | jim: quite possibly .. and verizon has a card/service you can buy that gives you like .. 384 or 500 ... |
| 17:53.58 | codemaster_ | what do i need to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.12... except the source and time |
| 17:54.04 | abrotman | jim: though .. the verizon one depends on your location |
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| 17:54.31 | greycat | codemaster_: a compiler |
| 17:54.50 | codemaster_ | ? built-in hé ? |
| 17:54.51 | jim | I -kinda- like metropcs; monthly is expensive, but calling is unlimited within the service area |
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| 17:55.07 | roler | I am running debian testing and dovecot was just upgraded. Now none of my clients can log in, it is not accepting the passwords... what is going on? I edited dovecot.conf and am playing with the auth section with no avail |
| 17:55.11 | jim | codemaster_: try apt-get install build-essential |
| 17:55.25 | abrotman | jim: i have tmobile .. and thier urban(and some suburban) service is great |
| 17:55.30 | abrotman | err most suburban |
| 17:55.37 | PerfDave | roler: Did you check the BTS? |
| 17:55.39 | abrotman | jim: thier country bumpkin service isn't as good ... |
| 17:55.49 | roler | PerfDave; sorry? |
| 17:55.55 | jim | !bts |
| 17:55.55 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:55.59 | brett_ | hi people |
| 17:56.12 | jim | no need to be sorry... just check it :) |
| 17:56.23 | roler | Nice |
| 17:56.28 | balzac | where can I find the log file that will allow me to find out what caused my system to freeze up? |
| 17:56.30 | yang | anyone using xsane for scanners, and can help me setting up my scanner? |
| 17:56.32 | codemaster_ | jim, thanxs |
| 17:56.46 | jim | codemaster_: did that help you? |
| 17:57.33 | codemaster_ | jim, it installed something that is already something, i plan to take a looky at the files for doc |
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| 17:57.49 | greycat | balzac: funny thing about freeze-ups and log files. it's hard to write "help, I froze up!" to a logfile when you're frozen. |
| 17:58.16 | greycat | it's kind of like expecting the murder victim to write out "Harry shot me!" in his own blood after he's dead. |
| 17:58.21 | balzac | yeah |
| 17:58.21 | abrotman | and if it holds the log file open .. you may not even get the last few lines :) |
| 17:58.26 | aFlag | unless you write "hey, i'm about to freeze up!" |
| 17:58.29 | balzac | dang it |
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| 17:58.31 | jim | yang: you should reform your question into one about xsane and your scanner and include specific details... which scanner, what have you done so far, what did you expect, what actually happened, what versions of things you have (debian itself, kernel, relevent packages, etc) |
| 17:58.34 | greycat | aFlag: right, but that's uncommon. |
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| 17:58.52 | jim | codemaster_: you should also look into kernel-package |
| 17:58.56 | greycat | usually freezes are hardware-related and you have no warning |
| 17:59.19 | balzac | or bad software which is allowed to stress the hardware too much |
| 17:59.27 | abrotman | or bad software |
| 17:59.35 | balzac | it might have something to do with my winmodem. |
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| 17:59.41 | roler | argh..... |
| 17:59.49 | Lanix | holas |
| 17:59.53 | codemaster_ | jim, thnxs |
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| 18:00.05 | w00ter | How can i make bootup passwordless xfce4 login? |
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| 18:00.09 | codemaster_ | jim,the last one is to make a package of it hé ? |
| 18:00.22 | jim | codemaster_: about that specifically, /msg dpkg kp (and yes, that's a package) |
| 18:00.23 | mwilson | Someone know off the top of their head who the narrator is at the beginning of WotW? (the Cruise love-fest version). |
| 18:00.36 | balzac | It happened running ubuntu, not debian stable. I figured there might be a log file i could investigate. |
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| 18:00.57 | deadcat | mwilson: tv show or something? |
| 18:00.57 | jim | balzac: well your logs are in /var/log |
| 18:01.05 | mwilson | deadcat: The film. |
| 18:01.09 | deadcat | oh. dont know |
| 18:01.11 | balzac | don't rip me for asking, because it wasn't a question about any ubuntu-specific feature. |
| 18:01.14 | balzac | thanks jim |
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| 18:01.40 | codemaster_ | jim, i do not need that to do it for one time, do i ? |
| 18:01.48 | mwilson | deadcat: Like all Cruise films, it sucks rocks, but it has a John Williams score, so THAT, at least, is worth listening to. |
| 18:01.54 | jim | balzac: one typical thing to do is take diffs between runs of ls -l |
| 18:01.57 | brett_ | balzac good places to look /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog /var/log/kern.log |
| 18:02.08 | abrotman | mwilson: yes |
| 18:02.11 | abrotman | mwilson: i do know |
| 18:02.16 | balzac | thanks jim, brett_ |
| 18:02.18 | jim | codemaster_: "need" is a strong word... but it is recommended |
| 18:02.19 | deadcat | mwilson: hehe |
| 18:02.32 | greycat | mwilson: Minority Report was OK. |
| 18:02.36 | abrotman | mwilson: and you'll feel kind of silly after i tell you who it is |
| 18:02.43 | abrotman | mwilson: Morgan Freeman iirc |
| 18:02.59 | mwilson | abrotman: I thought it might be him, but the voice doesn't sound deep enough. |
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| 18:03.19 | mwilson | abrotman: His voice is always very distinctive to me. |
| 18:03.19 | balzac | mission impossible II was hilarious |
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| 18:03.29 | abrotman | mwilson: http://imdb.com/title/tt0407304/fullcredits .. search for Freeman |
| 18:03.30 | asuffield | how was it 'hilarious'? |
| 18:03.42 | asuffield | bad, perhaps, but not especially funny |
| 18:03.48 | balzac | did you see the fight scene with the motorcycles on the beach? |
| 18:03.49 | jim | those mission: impossibles hold NO candle to the series |
| 18:03.51 | cr3 | how can I change the desired value (ie, uninstall, install, etc.) int he output of dpkg -l? |
| 18:04.00 | jim | they're more like bond flix |
| 18:04.01 | greycat | cr3: dpkg --set-selections |
| 18:04.01 | abrotman | overall .. WotW was a piss poor movie |
| 18:04.02 | balzac | did you see the car chase with the woman? |
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| 18:04.20 | abrotman | though .. some of the special effects were nifty |
| 18:04.27 | mwilson | Hm, yeah, he's credited. |
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| 18:04.46 | jim | Hollywood farts down on EdibleText |
| 18:04.50 | abrotman | mwilson: i knew when i saw it .. but you're right .. doesn't sound quite like he normally does |
| 18:05.01 | jim | DIRECT HIT!! |
| 18:05.04 | EdibleText | jime you said you were done farting... |
| 18:05.12 | EdibleText | jim even |
| 18:05.43 | jim | when you blow up something, you run the risk of getting farted on :) |
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| 18:05.54 | EdibleText | well played |
| 18:05.59 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 18:06.14 | codemaster_ | jim, ok i will install it also |
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| 18:06.38 | abrotman | mwilson: my friend thought it was actually a cleaned up orson welles recording |
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| 18:06.48 | mwilson | Hm, the first MI wasn't too bad, as long as you ignore the entire second half of the movie... |
| 18:06.58 | crn | is there a debian version of the madwifi drivers? |
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| 18:07.24 | takatumi | crn: which chip? |
| 18:07.31 | crn | atheros |
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| 18:07.51 | mwilson | abrotman: Yeah, I can sort of hear that, I suppose. |
| 18:07.53 | ratonn | Is 7% packet loss bad? |
| 18:07.54 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 18:07.54 | dpkg | i heard madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 18:08.05 | mwilson | abrotman: But the dialog is all wrong for it to actually be Welles. |
| 18:08.08 | abrotman | ratonn: depends .. is it wifi or is it a OC12? :) |
| 18:08.13 | crn | thanks |
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| 18:08.38 | abrotman | mwilson: i don't remember .. i saw it about a month ago and have attempted to purge everything but the flaming train from memory :) |
| 18:08.45 | ratonn | abrotman: just two pcs hardwired |
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| 18:09.16 | yang | jim: I have an old HP scanner scanjet 4p, and it doesnt get auto-detected when I run xsane |
| 18:09.30 | LSorensen | yang: what interface? |
| 18:09.42 | yang | scsi |
| 18:09.42 | LSorensen | yang: did you add it to the config files for sane in /etc? |
| 18:09.44 | abrotman | ratonn: over crossover? |
| 18:09.54 | yang | no i havent |
| 18:09.57 | LSorensen | ya :I know for usb I have to add /dev/usb/scanner0 or something to epson.conf |
| 18:10.07 | LSorensen | yang: maybe something similar with /dev/sg0 or whatever has to be added |
| 18:10.31 | LSorensen | yang: sane-find-scanner |
| 18:10.31 | mwilson | Isn't a 4p a parallel port? A 4c is a SCSI scanner... I have two of them sitting right here. |
| 18:10.36 | ratonn | abrotman: nope, over hte internet |
| 18:10.39 | w00ter | Is it possible to let a user login into X but not into a shell? |
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| 18:10.52 | mwilson | Just because it has a 25-pin port doesn't make it SCSI. |
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| 18:11.20 | abrotman | ratonn: well that's not two pcs hardwired is it? |
| 18:11.21 | mwilson | If it were SCSI, even if sane-find-scanner didn't see it, your SCSI card driver would report its existence. |
| 18:11.36 | yang | # No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that |
| 18:11.36 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.38 | quiet | doing a ./configure on kbfx i get "checking for X... configure: error: Can;t find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correctpaths!" ? |
| 18:11.42 | ratonn | well, there is a long long hard connection between them isn't there? |
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| 18:11.51 | PerfDave | w00ter: Probably, with sufficient pam-fu. What do you mean by "a shell" here? Over SSH? From a text console or serial console? |
| 18:11.51 | simplexe | hi |
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| 18:12.02 | yang | mwilson: I have that plugged in onto a scsi card, so its a scsi not paralel |
| 18:12.03 | asuffield | mwilson: it's scsi, so he probably doesn't have working scsi |
| 18:12.24 | cddesjar | does anyone know a good webcam to use? i would like to get one that is super easy to set up under linux |
| 18:12.24 | hoe_ | hi! what is the keyboard shortcut to switch between keyboard layouts in X? |
| 18:12.38 | mwilson | asuffield: A 4p is SCSI? I'll have to look that up. Coulda sworn it was parallel. |
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| 18:12.50 | w00ter | PerfDave: Basically ANYTHING remote. The idea is to have a xsession with an mp3player and a browser. And that's ALL it should do. |
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| 18:13.07 | PerfDave | w00ter: Don't run ssh? ;0 |
| 18:13.08 | mwilson | yang: Do you have support for your SCSI adapter loaded? |
| 18:13.11 | asuffield | mwilson: scsi ones definitely exist. I guess it's not impossible for parallel versions of the same model to exist as well |
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| 18:13.27 | PerfDave | w00ter: The easiest option may be just to set an AllowUsers line in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 18:13.29 | yang | LSorensen: i also dont have /dev/scanner |
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| 18:13.37 | mwilson | yang: No reason why you should. |
| 18:13.47 | DarkSith | njjm |
| 18:13.54 | yang | mwilson: nope, i never did that...i have scsi TAPE backup, that one loads into kernel |
| 18:14.01 | w00ter | I thought of that PerfDave , and I need to configure ftpd and all other remote avail thingies too |
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| 18:14.20 | mwilson | yang: You have one SCSI adapter, or two? |
| 18:14.23 | miz` | Anyone can hint where wine 20050725 saves it's winecfg settings? |
| 18:14.31 | quiet | what is the package name for X development libs?? |
| 18:14.38 | PerfDave | w00ter: See, you should just use SFTP, it makes life easier ;) |
| 18:14.47 | mwilson | yang: What address is your tape drive configured as, and what address is the scanner configured as? |
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| 18:14.53 | steve | hi all |
| 18:14.57 | steve | how do I mount a windows share? I tried "smbmount \\computer\share2" but it returns: Failed to find real path for mount point |
| 18:14.59 | steve | any ideas? |
| 18:15.01 | yang | mwilson: One scsi card, and tape is on the cable, and scanner is plugged into the card outside |
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| 18:15.25 | abrotman | ratonn: but you're not next to each other .. i asked you what kind of connection .. like dsl/cable/t1/oc12/satellite etc |
| 18:15.28 | yang | mwilson: i think the tape has /dev/st0 |
| 18:15.31 | w00ter | PerfDave: I've heard about sftp but don't know too much about it. I know its secure. But the thing is i want a passwordless loggin to a desktop with a mp3player. |
| 18:15.52 | cr3 | how can I purge all packages set as removed but still has configuration files installed? |
| 18:15.52 | PerfDave | w00ter: I think you'll have to configure it on a service by service basis, unless they're configured to all use some kind of common pam-remote file. |
| 18:15.53 | mwilson | yang: Not device names, I asked what SCSI address the respective devices were configured as. |
| 18:15.55 | ulf__ | how/where can i disable detecting hardware at startup, i can not find a init script for it |
| 18:16.02 | EdibleText | steve, try //computer/share |
| 18:16.10 | yang | mwilson: i dont know that |
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| 18:16.26 | LTCM | hello everyone |
| 18:16.40 | steve | EdibleText: same |
| 18:16.41 | PerfDave | w00ter: So use a login manager which will automatically log in a particular user with no password, then set the password manually to be something which is never valid (put ! for the password in /etc/shadow) so people can't log in any other way? |
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| 18:16.56 | yang | mwilson: i just remember it used to be auto-detected in redhat, now its not auto-detected in debian |
| 18:16.59 | brett_ | steve: can you resolve the computername |
| 18:16.59 | PerfDave | ulf__: Why do you want to disable detecting hardware at startup? Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 18:17.05 | greycat | !purge them all |
| 18:17.05 | dpkg | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge, or do not complain if this deletes config files you still need |
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| 18:17.14 | steve | brett_: no |
| 18:17.15 | w00ter | PerfDave: would that work when the server is rebooted? |
| 18:17.20 | steve | 'host COMPUTER' can't find it |
| 18:17.20 | greycat | bah, suboptimal shell code. |
| 18:17.26 | EdibleText | steve, does 'smbclient -L computer' list 'share2' |
| 18:17.26 | mwilson | yang: The scanner has a dial or pushbutton switch to set its address. |
| 18:17.33 | asuffield | mwilson: alternatively, he booted with the scanner turned off and needs to fuck about with scsiadd or something |
| 18:17.39 | PerfDave | w00ter: If the display manager starts at bootup, then I don't see why not |
| 18:17.41 | brett_ | steve: well you need to be able to resolve the name or use an ip address |
| 18:17.51 | greycat | dpkg, purge them all =~ s#grep ^rc | awk '#awk '/^rc/# |
| 18:17.52 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 18:17.54 | greycat | !purge them all |
| 18:17.54 | dpkg | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge, or do not complain if this deletes config files you still need |
| 18:18.03 | EdibleText | steve, //<ip of computer>/share2 |
| 18:18.06 | mwilson | yang: What connectors are on the back of the scanner? Which one are you using? What is the termination switch on the back of the scanner set to? |
| 18:18.08 | PerfDave | w00ter: If you want to run Linux as a kiosk system, I believe that there is plenty of good documentation on how to do so. |
| 18:18.13 | brett_ | steve: and make sure the share is fully open or you need to specify a username and password |
| 18:18.15 | yang | mwilson: i havent booted this machine up with scanner plugged in, i turned it on just recently |
| 18:18.15 | ulf__ | PerfDave: its a server with a sata contoller, i need to load it by scsi not idedetect, so i want to disable hwscan on boot |
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| 18:18.40 | w00ter | I'll have a looksee. I've come across the word kiosk before |
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| 18:18.44 | PerfDave | ulf__: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 18:18.56 | ulf__ | PerfDave:so i load all modules i need in etc/modules |
| 18:19.04 | ulf__ | 3.1 |
| 18:19.09 | yang | mwilson: there is a cable SCSI cable that goes out of the scanner into a SCSI card on my PC, the usual (I dont know how many pins) cable |
| 18:19.27 | LTCM | i am running mepis linux and i am having trouble booting with a debian woody kernel. grub updates the kernel entries fine but it wont boot from them. i think it might have something to do with the initrd? does anyone know what might be going wrong? |
| 18:19.41 | PerfDave | ulf__: Isn't SATA stuff controlled by the BIOS rather than the operating system at that level? |
| 18:19.45 | PerfDave | LTCM: Ask #mepis |
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| 18:20.13 | cr3 | greycat: thanks, I had problems because of that darn COLUMNS variable |
| 18:20.31 | asuffield | PerfDave: linux takes control of everything as soon as it boots. the bios is only involved in the bootloader |
| 18:20.33 | mwilson | I *so* need to get a new bulb for my 4c... |
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| 18:20.50 | ulf__ | well, the sata contoller can be load by manf. own driver or the kernel own dirver |
| 18:21.06 | hoe_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.06 | LTCM | i thought id ask here first, since debian guys seem to be more helpful and knowledgeable |
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| 18:21.28 | PerfDave | LTCM: We're helpful to Debian users, and knowledgeable about Debian. You're not running Debian, so we can't help you. |
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| 18:23.53 | PeterB | hoe_: Whichever you configured X to use. |
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| 18:25.04 | yang | mwilson: still there? |
| 18:25.21 | Lee__ | scripts I put in /etc/network/if-*.d/ do nothing when using ifup and ifdown. I'm trying to call a bunch of iptables commands in if-post-up.d |
| 18:25.37 | crn | abrotman, madwifi-install is very cool. thanks again |
| 18:25.45 | abrotman | crn: si senor |
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| 18:26.44 | Lee__ | calling the script manually as root works. |
| 18:26.47 | mwilson | yang: <shrug> As I said, if the device is SCSI, then you're going to have to cause the kernel to detect it, irrespective of whether sane-find-scanner sees it or not. Until then, sane-find-scanner will NEVER see it. |
| 18:27.17 | Lee__ | how else would I call a bunch of iptables commands right after an interface is brought up? |
| 18:27.35 | yang | mwilson: so you think if i boot with the scanner plugged in, it will be recognised by the kernel? |
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| 18:28.22 | yang | mwilson: for example, when i type cdrecord --scanbus I get this 2,6,0 206) 'HP ' 'C1537A ' 'L005' Removable Tape |
| 18:28.32 | mwilson | yang: I have no idea. Personally, I'd unload and reload the module driving your SCSI card, whatever it happens to be. |
| 18:28.37 | yang | mwilson: but that is it, i dont get a scanbus for scanner |
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| 18:29.07 | benh | hello all |
| 18:29.50 | mwilson | yang: I don't know how many times I can repeat that you have to get the kernel to detect the device before user-land applications will see it. asuffield mentioned scsiadd, which occasionally works, but it's usually far easier to just unload and load the module driving the card. |
| 18:29.55 | benh | is there a copy that will append to the name in the instance when that file is already at the desitnation ??? ie copy unless file found, rename duplicate file.dupe ? |
| 18:30.11 | asuffield | mwilson: or give up and reboot the fucker |
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| 18:30.19 | benh | or is this something that I would have to code my self ? |
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| 18:31.25 | Lee__ | benh: read the advanced bash scripting guide on the web. then replace the cp command with an alias to your script. |
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| 18:32.07 | benh | Lee__: so there is no existing solution for this ? |
| 18:32.21 | plugwash | !simple sid backport |
| 18:32.21 | dpkg | it has been said that simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
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| 18:32.30 | benh | Lee__: it's not that I really mind writing it but if theres already someting that will do this... |
| 18:32.31 | asg | benh: does the --backup option to cp do what you want |
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| 18:33.12 | yang | mwilson: Well scsiadd only lists the TAPE drive, not the scanner ? Attached devices: |
| 18:33.14 | benh | asg: humm totaly forgot about that ... lets text and see |
| 18:33.16 | yang | Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 |
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| 18:33.51 | yang | mwilson: somehow it doesnt want to read, the outside plugin of the card |
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| 18:34.01 | Lee__ | so any advice on getting scripts in /etc/network/if-*.d to run when calling ifup and ifdown? |
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| 18:34.20 | mwilson | yang: I have no idea why you'd decide that... we've certainly seen nothing to demonstrate that. |
| 18:34.36 | abrotman | Lee__: use /etc/init.d/networking restart .. or use the pre-up in the interfaces file |
| 18:35.06 | Lee__ | abrotman: what if that doesn't call a script I just wrote? I can run the script from that location manually. |
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| 18:35.38 | Lee__ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 338 Aug 15 14:09 /etc/network/if-post-up.d/iptables |
| 18:35.55 | yang | mwilson: so, how do i load the correct module driving for card? |
| 18:35.57 | Lee__ | but no rules are added after /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 18:36.12 | b00 | hey, anyone manged to install gnome on sid ? |
| 18:36.13 | mwilson | yang: The module for the card is already loaded. |
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| 18:36.39 | mwilson | b00: Yes, we all know that there's currently a dependency problem for gnome-desktop-environemnt. |
| 18:36.56 | zinx | <3 unstable |
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| 18:37.12 | mwilson | b00: Rather than playing 20 questions, that IS what you're referring to, right? The missing 2.10-x version of gpdf? |
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| 18:37.38 | finn | what do I ask dpkg so he tells me how to switch from stable to testing? |
| 18:37.52 | b00 | well, there was one question, mwilson |
| 18:37.58 | asg | finn: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 18:37.58 | b00 | you have me no asnwer |
| 18:38.02 | b00 | gave that is |
| 18:38.18 | zinx | b00: Yes, someone somewhere has at some point managed to install gnome on sid. |
| 18:38.25 | plugwash | finn just change your sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:38.28 | b00 | heh |
| 18:38.33 | MR_MUSTURD_HEAD | heh |
| 18:38.34 | plugwash | and check what it plans to do before saying yes |
| 18:38.47 | finn | k |
| 18:38.54 | yang | mwilson: well i really dont know what to do now |
| 18:39.20 | b00 | i thought caps are banned for a nick, *HEAD |
| 18:39.22 | yang | mwilson: i just think it would be easier if i had USB scanner |
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| 18:39.26 | AnyoneEB | I am trying to call ssh like ssh user@host command, but the command is not being run. The user I am trying to log in as is chrooted, and I successfully tested it for a non-chrooted user. Is there some setting that needs to be different? |
| 18:39.29 | finn | Secondly, you MUST subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) or I will come and pour hot grits down your pants. |
| 18:39.33 | finn | hah |
| 18:39.37 | mwilson | yang: Yes, you've been given several suggestions... I don't know why you'd want to follow any of them. They might work, after all. |
| 18:40.19 | b00 | mwilson: do you know how to resolve that deps problem ? |
| 18:40.23 | mwilson | yang: So. Since you don't know what SCSI card you own, and therefore don't know what module drives it, the easiest way to deal with the issue is to reboot the box. |
| 18:40.30 | MR_MUSTURD_HEAD | they say my nick is filled with anger |
| 18:40.44 | mwilson | b00: Well, what do you know... that IS the problem you're having! Now how did I manage to know that? |
| 18:40.50 | yang | mwilson: ok, i will try that now...If it will auto-detect the scanner |
| 18:41.01 | mwilson | b00: Apparently that was the answer to your question after all. |
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| 18:41.18 | b00 | mwilson: b/s you're running sid yourself ? and perhaps installed gnome for someone ? |
| 18:41.28 | zinx | mwilson: you've clearly honed your mind-reading skills from years of being required to use it in #debian |
| 18:41.28 | b00 | i know that you are not using it yourself :P |
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| 18:41.36 | mwilson | yang: I have no idea what it will detect. I'm still not convinced that the scanner isn't a parallel device. |
| 18:41.40 | b00 | you use something like, err, some *box |
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| 18:41.53 | b00 | motif based, if i recall |
| 18:41.59 | mwilson | b00: Really? How could you possibly know what I might be using, or might not be using? |
| 18:42.11 | b00 | b/s you've sent me a screenshot :D |
| 18:42.12 | b00 | hahah |
| 18:42.15 | b00 | long time ago |
| 18:42.44 | mwilson | If you think openbox is Motif-based, you've got more than a few problems. |
| 18:42.48 | yang | mwilson: how can it be paralel, if i am telling you that its plugged into a SCSI card |
| 18:42.49 | RvGaTe | somehow i cant find the sources.list anymore, where should it be located? |
| 18:42.53 | b00 | aaaaaah |
| 18:42.56 | b00 | openbox |
| 18:42.58 | asg | RvGaTe: /etc/apt/ |
| 18:42.59 | plugwash | any good tutorials on setting up an apt repositry? |
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| 18:43.05 | b00 | oops, ok, not motif then |
| 18:43.05 | mwilson | yang: I can plug anything into anything. Doesn't make it work. |
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| 18:43.26 | mwilson | yang: Go ahead and reboot, then. |
| 18:44.24 | RvGaTe | thx asg |
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| 18:45.49 | mwilson | b00: Perhaps I installed Gnome before the dependency issue manifested. Or perhaps I ignored the gnome-desktop-environment meta-package, and installed what I needed, and avoided the missing dependency completely. Or perhaps I built gpdf myself. Any number of ways I could get Gnome 2.10 onto an unstable box. |
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| 18:46.40 | mwilson | b00: For that matter... I could be running KDE on this box. None of those things has anything to do with whether or not I know what one of the current problem areas with Gnome in unstable might be. |
| 18:46.45 | phillipsjk | yang: do you have proper termination at the end of the chain? |
| 18:46.50 | zinx | yang: does it have a logo like http://warped.bluecherry.net/~zinx/misc/tmp/parallel.jpg near the wire? |
| 18:47.03 | zinx | yang: on the printer |
| 18:47.11 | b00 | mwilson: so how do I ignore the gnome-destop-environment metap ? |
| 18:47.28 | zinx | yang: usually embossed in the plastic or something |
| 18:47.29 | mwilson | phillipsjk: He can't find the termination switch that should be there, nor the address switch that should be there. |
| 18:47.46 | roler | I am running debian testing on a server. which I now know is a bad idea. Something corrupted the use of courier-pop3 and dovecot pop3... email clients ocnnect, and always get invalid password errors... If I put in stable into my apt sources files, will it down grade? Or is there a successful way to downgrade? |
| 18:47.46 | zinx | yang: or alternatively, does it have some other logo |
| 18:47.47 | Bac9 | what's a good backup app that can work as client/server and store incremental backups on HD using hardlinking for identical files? |
| 18:47.53 | b00 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:47.54 | b00 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.55 | b00 | there |
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| 18:48.03 | BlueSky | hello there |
| 18:48.08 | zinx | b00: we're well aware |
| 18:48.13 | RvGaTe | dpkg: backup |
| 18:48.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 18:48.17 | zinx | b00: you should not be using unstable |
| 18:48.24 | mwilson | b00: I have no idea why you thought you needed to show me the error when I'm the one that told you about it. |
| 18:48.24 | b00 | well, |
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| 18:48.53 | zinx | oh, he was gone? oops. |
| 18:48.56 | b00 | well, is there a recent readme on how to install that gnome on sid ? |
| 18:49.17 | zinx | yang: does it have a logo like http://warped.bluecherry.net/~zinx/misc/tmp/parallel.jpg near the connector on the *printer*, usually embossed in to the plastic, or some other logo? |
| 18:49.24 | yang | mwilson: I rebooted now, and it has detected the second scsi device...Attached devices: Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 05 Lun: 00 ; Vendor: HP Model: C1130A Rev: 3540 |
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| 18:49.38 | mwilson | yang: Well, there you go. |
| 18:49.51 | zinx | oh, wow, it really is SCSI |
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| 18:50.31 | ManagedGI | Hi, when i try to boot with the Debian Netinst CD i get the following error: "1. FD XXXXXX System Type-(00)" X are for Special Chars. I have an old P1 system. What could this be? Is my Bios too old? Can i fix this with an other debian image? |
| 18:50.41 | b00 | loooooooooool |
| 18:50.49 | b00 | simple , simple aswer |
| 18:51.01 | davi | What package to install the P2P mule client ? |
| 18:51.01 | yang | zinx: No scanner doesnt have that sign |
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| 18:51.11 | b00 | but i guess people are stingy to give it |
| 18:51.12 | zinx | yang: that's weird, most SCSI scanners do :/ |
| 18:51.20 | yang | zinx: this one is old |
| 18:51.27 | mwilson | b00: What does "loooooooooool" mean? |
| 18:51.28 | zinx | yang: even old ;) |
| 18:51.32 | zinx | yang: that's the SCSI logo |
| 18:51.55 | asg | mwilson: maybe he's playing a pan flute |
| 18:52.03 | PerfDave | b00: The simple answer is that if you can't handle broken dependencies, don't run sid. Just wait for it to be fixed, or fix it yourself. |
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| 18:52.18 | yang | we are one step closer now; sane-find-scanner gives me this found SCSI processor "HP C1130A 3540" at /dev/sg0 |
| 18:52.24 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 18:52.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:52.25 | rbochan | cookie for PerfDave |
| 18:53.01 | b00 | PerfDave: i got a better one |
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| 18:53.02 | mwilson | b00: I gave you three different ways to deal with the problem. PerfDave just gave you another. If you tell us what answer you will accept, then we'll give you that answer and you'll be happy. |
| 18:53.14 | zinx | yang: xsane (or the other front-ends) should work now |
| 18:53.27 | zinx | yang: assuming the user has permission to access /dev/sg0 |
| 18:54.18 | b00 | mwilson: apt-get install gnome-core I think, this is MUCH shorter and efficient than one you have :P dont you think ? |
| 18:54.20 | zinx | yang: and assuming SANE supports it at all :E |
| 18:54.28 | jimo | hallo world :) |
| 18:54.36 | yang | zinx: I just chmodet it to 777, guess that will work :) |
| 18:55.00 | jimo | please is here someone using v4l2 with kernel 2.6? |
| 18:55.35 | roler | how can I downgrade debian from testing to stable? |
| 18:55.42 | drac | roler: You don't.. |
| 18:56.07 | zinx | yang: looks like it's supported by the HP module too (assuming it's really a Scanjet 4p) |
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| 18:57.44 | abrotman | roler: you cannot |
| 18:57.48 | yang | mwilson: thanks for your help |
| 18:57.51 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 18:57.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 18:57.59 | Qiang | can someone who has mysql-4.1 installed from debian package check if you have mysql_config file installed too? it supposes to be in /usr/bin/ or /user/local/mysql/. i don't have this file though. |
| 18:58.10 | abrotman | we should remove that last part :) |
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| 18:58.22 | Qiang | mysql-4.1-server |
| 18:58.29 | abrotman | roler: you cannot truly downgrade |
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| 18:59.01 | mwilson | mysql_config isn't part of the server. |
| 18:59.06 | roler | sigh |
| 18:59.12 | mwilson | It's part of the client libraries. |
| 18:59.41 | abrotman | dev package? |
| 18:59.45 | PerfDave | Qiang: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:59.53 | mwilson | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 19:00.28 | Qiang | mwilson: oh. i have mysql-client-4.1 installed too. |
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| 19:01.11 | Vyrus001 | what does the 'no' command do and what package do i install to get it ? |
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| 19:01.51 | greycat | read your config.log and figure out what broke |
| 19:02.03 | greycat | there is no "no" command. |
| 19:02.12 | yang | mwilson: sometimes linux works funny. I was unable to detect scanner before, and when I rebooted it just worked ? |
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| 19:02.32 | BourneAgain | How do I monitor a remote SSH session? |
| 19:02.37 | PerfDave | Vyrus001: As in "no command or filename"? ;) |
| 19:02.44 | mwilson | yang: No, sometimes *SCSI* works funny. |
| 19:02.48 | PerfDave | BourneAgain: ttysnoop if you've got root, or screen |
| 19:03.08 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: as in "no cru foobar" |
| 19:03.18 | zinx | yang: USB scanners work fine unplugging/plugging at will :) |
| 19:03.22 | Vyrus001 | PerfDave: no being the command and cru and foobar being the args |
| 19:03.27 | mwilson | yang: You usually cannot connect a SCSI device to the bus after you have powered up, no matter the OS. Occasionally there are tools provided that try to get around that... sometimes they work, other times they do not. |
| 19:03.37 | jimo | really nobody? please... |
| 19:03.49 | Bac9 | at the moment I backup via faubackup/nfs but that doesn't preserve uid/gid, can someone sugest an alternative strategy that'd still do push backups (as opposed to pull) |
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| 19:05.10 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: It is asking me for a <pty> parameter |
| 19:05.18 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: I have some reading to do :) |
| 19:05.19 | yang | mwilson: now i see another problem with sane, can it be set that it auto-detects the picture size when scanned, or do i have to edit them each time, cutting the whiote area out ? |
| 19:05.50 | Thunder00 | how do i install gnome via apt-get ? |
| 19:06.08 | rbochan | Thunder00: clicky clicky... http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 19:06.50 | ValheruLord | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:07.02 | yang | whiote = white |
| 19:07.09 | Thunder00 | apt-get install gnome ? |
| 19:07.21 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: How do I tell what remote device is using the remote ssh session please. |
| 19:07.25 | william | gnome-desktop |
| 19:07.26 | zinx | yang: it tries to auto-detect |
| 19:07.27 | goki_ | Anyone know where I can put a gtkrc file in my home directory, so it will be read when I run GTK/Gnome apps in KDE? |
| 19:07.36 | zinx | yang: at least, xsane does.. i dunno about the other frontends |
| 19:07.39 | mosherr2 | How do I start kapmd? |
| 19:07.48 | finn | I have "pypanel" in my .xinitrc yet it won't start when I startx |
| 19:07.54 | deadcat | mosherr2: /etc/init.d/kapmd start maybe? |
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| 19:08.03 | deadcat | finn: does it from from prompt? |
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| 19:08.09 | finn | yes |
| 19:08.18 | Thunder00 | <william> what's the difference between apt-get install gnome and apt-get install gnome-desktop ? |
| 19:08.24 | deadcat | finn: other stuff in .xinitrc runs? |
| 19:08.26 | PerfDave | BourneAgain: "who" should tell you |
| 19:08.36 | PerfDave | BourneAgain: or "w" |
| 19:08.40 | finn | all I have in there is Esetroot and openbox |
| 19:08.42 | finn | up to now |
| 19:08.45 | finn | and that works |
| 19:08.47 | mosherr2 | deadcat: nothing that obvious, unfortunately |
| 19:09.09 | PeterB | finn: Where did you put "pypanel" ? Before or after "openbox" ? |
| 19:09.09 | deadcat | mosherr2: but they run right? except pypanel? |
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| 19:09.17 | finn | before |
| 19:09.38 | deadcat | finn: you have your .xinitrc on your website or somewhere? |
| 19:09.44 | PeterB | finn: Try "pypanel &" maybe. |
| 19:09.56 | finn | I already did PeterB |
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| 19:09.59 | mrgoby | so, anyone know how to pull fresh checksums for all installed packages ? |
| 19:10.05 | ExplodingLemur | I am a horrible person who decided he didn't want to be tracking the Testing distribution anymore. I fixed my sources.list to include only stable, updated package lists, set the priority for stable to 1100 in /etc/apt/preferences, and did an aptitude upgrade. This broke dpkg. I manually downloaded and extracted the dpkg data per Debian Reference 6.3.7, but it still gives me the error "dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 19:10.06 | ExplodingLemur | " |
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| 19:10.08 | finn | deadcat, no point. it only consists of those 3 lines |
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| 19:10.26 | AnyoneEB | In bash, how do I unset a single positional parameter (specifically, the first one)? |
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| 19:10.35 | finn | first Esetroot ........ then pypanel then openbox |
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| 19:10.39 | deadcat | finn: well. maybe the problem is withint one of those 3 lines. try pypanel > /dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 19:10.41 | zinx | ExplodingLemur: you broke it. you get to keep the pieces :) |
| 19:10.50 | mosherr2 | deadcat: was that meant for finn? |
| 19:10.51 | deadcat | finn: not dev/null but /tmp/blah |
| 19:11.25 | deadcat | mosherr2: oh ya. my fault |
| 19:11.27 | finn | what will that do? |
| 19:11.30 | ExplodingLemur | zinx: Curses! No thoughts on how to recover it? aptitude show dpkg shows me the previous version number, not the version number of what I manually installed, which could also be causing issues...but I'm not sure. |
| 19:11.41 | deadcat | finn: you get anyoutput that will redirect to /tmp/blah |
| 19:12.11 | deadcat | finn: i assuming esetroot works? |
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| 19:12.21 | finn | esetroot is working |
| 19:12.41 | deadcat | finn: could be alocale problem |
| 19:12.53 | lildude | well netowrking sarge is tricky |
| 19:12.56 | phillipsjk | ExplodingLemur check /etc/dpkg ? |
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| 19:13.13 | Tonio | hi everyone |
| 19:13.16 | finn | hi |
| 19:13.19 | yang | zinx: when i save the picture, i get all the scanned image area together, i have to cut that afterwards :/ |
| 19:13.19 | lildude | can sarge go wireless |
| 19:13.26 | deadcat | finn: feel free to check out my .xsession: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.xsession |
| 19:13.29 | deadcat | lildude: sure. |
| 19:13.32 | Tonio | little question about packaging..... |
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| 19:13.37 | greycat | lildude: if you can get hardware that has linux drivers, yes. |
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| 19:13.39 | deadcat | Tonio: just ask |
| 19:13.42 | lildude | mine is not working to good |
| 19:13.54 | zinx | yang: o_O you can select the area with xsane.. you should be able to with other frontends.. |
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| 19:13.56 | deadcat | lildude: what chipset and what driver you using? |
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| 19:14.05 | Tonio | I was told that orig tarball should have the same md5sum that the upstream tarball |
| 19:14.15 | Tonio | I don't understand how can that be possible |
| 19:14.27 | Tonio | and I'm getting completly crazy with this..... |
| 19:14.33 | ExplodingLemur | phillipsjk: aha...thanks! Removed the log line from dpkg.conf, looks like it's happier... |
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| 19:14.40 | lildude | wireless card works on some else dsl inmy area |
| 19:14.40 | zinx | Tonio: why wouldn't it be possible? the orig is supposed to *BE* the upstream tarball |
| 19:14.47 | Tonio | okay |
| 19:14.50 | lildude | but cant pick up my router |
| 19:14.55 | deadcat | lildude: i ask what chipset. |
| 19:14.56 | Tonio | I have a tarball |
| 19:15.04 | jim | generally the upstream tarball is distributed as part of the source package. the other parts are a information text file and a diff |
| 19:15.06 | deadcat | !tell Tonio about enter |
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| 19:15.13 | phillipsjk | ExplodingLemur: I have my moments... |
| 19:15.14 | lildude | dlink dwl-510 |
| 19:15.16 | zinx | Tonio: congratulations? |
| 19:15.18 | CVirus | how can i mount a bin/cue ? |
| 19:15.26 | Tonio | i'm doing tar xvzf bla.tar.gz, then cd bla, debuild -S -sa |
| 19:15.32 | jim | I have a tarbaby |
| 19:15.34 | EdibleText | CVirus, bchunk it |
| 19:15.37 | ExplodingLemur | phillipsjk: Any thoughts on how to get aptitude to recognize the manually-installed version, so it doesn't attempt to upgrade (and break) it again? |
| 19:15.38 | lildude | linksys router |
| 19:15.42 | EdibleText | !bchunk |
| 19:15.42 | dpkg | from memory, bchunk is a bin2iso tool to convert .bin to .iso and .cdr so you can burn with cdrecord. eg: 'cdrecord ... blah.iso -audio [-pad] [-swab] blah*.cdr'. It's available at http://hes.iki.fi/bchunk/, or in debian (woody and above) |
| 19:15.43 | deadcat | lildude: thats the brand/model. |
| 19:15.43 | zinx | Tonio: if it's an orig, you need to apply the patch to.. why not just use apt-src? |
| 19:15.47 | CVirus | EdibleText, excuse me ? |
| 19:15.51 | lildude | righty |
| 19:15.53 | Tonio | that give me an orig tarball with a different ms5sum |
| 19:15.55 | zinx | Tonio: erh, apt-get sourc e;) |
| 19:16.04 | zinx | Tonio: o_O |
| 19:16.16 | Tonio | hum, I want to create packages to put them on a repo ;) |
| 19:16.20 | phillipsjk | store it in /usr/local tree. that will keep it from being overwritten. |
| 19:16.21 | Tonio | not for my use |
| 19:16.23 | zinx | Tonio: it shouldn't be making the orig |
| 19:16.25 | EdibleText | CVirus, you are excused. |
| 19:16.27 | plugwash | are there any tools capable of getting build-deps using a series of configured rules |
| 19:16.31 | cahoot | ExplodingLemur: explained here: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/?page=debcustomize |
| 19:16.36 | Bac9 | deadcat: what do you use for backup? |
| 19:16.37 | finn | is the & required? (I have tried it with and without the & ) |
| 19:16.40 | EdibleText | !tell CVirus about bchunk |
| 19:16.54 | lildude | Chipset: Realtek rtl8180 |
| 19:16.56 | finn | you have the & deadcat |
| 19:17.01 | EdibleText | CVirus, then mount the iso |
| 19:17.12 | plugwash | something like try and get build deps from sarge if you can't get them from there try etch and if it can't satisfy them from there try sid |
| 19:17.23 | deadcat | Bac9: mirrordir and a homemade script for config files. |
| 19:17.27 | CVirus | EdibleText, thanks alot |
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| 19:17.45 | Bac9 | deadcat: you make local backups? do you do any remote backups? |
| 19:17.50 | deadcat | finn: you need the & so that the next app can run. else it will wait |
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| 19:18.06 | lildude | deadcat what should i do card has drivers and works router cant see it |
| 19:18.24 | deadcat | Bac9: no. just diff hd. some important user config files i use cvs to store on remote server |
| 19:18.26 | lildude | run kde wizzard? |
| 19:18.39 | lildude | wirless one |
| 19:18.45 | deadcat | lildude: just stick with the command line. i dont know kde wizzard. what driver you using? |
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| 19:19.06 | yang | zinx: does sane auto-focus also pictures on these old scanners? |
| 19:19.16 | zinx | yang: uh... scanners don't have focus |
| 19:19.18 | lildude | linux one\ |
| 19:19.27 | f8 | !tell f8 about bchunk |
| 19:19.36 | Bac9 | deadcat: o, k, I don't suppose you know any app that can do remote backup to filesystem? |
| 19:19.48 | yang | zinx: so, the picturesize cannot be recognised |
| 19:19.52 | deadcat | Bac9: rsync? |
| 19:19.57 | f8 | woo, perfect! |
| 19:20.00 | lildude | deadcat freind useing linux found driver and installed it |
| 19:20.08 | finn | since openbox starts without the & even thouth it comes after pypanel I guess pypanel is having errors. |
| 19:20.13 | zinx | yang: you have to do a preview scan... |
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| 19:20.27 | lildude | that how we know dlin works found 4 open spots and did net install of it |
| 19:20.32 | Bac9 | deadcat: rsync and anything suing ssh needs to connect as root to preserve uid/gid, and I don't want anything connecting as root |
| 19:20.43 | lildude | but cant get it to find my linksys |
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| 19:21.25 | deadcat | Bac9: what about amanda or amenda? |
| 19:21.28 | yang | zinx: well , i click on scan, and i get the picture and the white area size A4 around it, then it saves the whole thing into a file :/ |
| 19:21.53 | deadcat | lildude: you set the right key? and stuff? try without any encryption see if you can login. |
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| 19:22.17 | rene1 | hey all, ive just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8-2-686 using apt get. i need a kernel-headers .deb for my platform cant find it, can you help me? |
| 19:22.23 | zinx | yang: wow, it doesn't automatically save here.. it brings up an image window.. |
| 19:22.31 | lildude | deadcat ok il try that |
| 19:22.39 | deadcat | rene1: bull shit kernel-headers-`uname r` |
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| 19:22.46 | deadcat | rene1: uname -r that is |
| 19:22.48 | rene1 | nope that wont work |
| 19:22.48 | yang | zinx: yeah i am talking about image window, i get the whole scanner area there |
| 19:22.49 | lildude | sent out router to make sure wireless side wired |
| 19:22.55 | rene1 | neither |
| 19:22.56 | rene1 | heh |
| 19:22.58 | lildude | ssid kicks network of line |
| 19:23.02 | zinx | yang: it doesn't auto-size the scan area unless you do a preview scan, and it only auto-sizes it after the preview scan, i.e., before the real scan |
| 19:23.05 | yang | zinx: the picture is just on the side , about 20% of area |
| 19:23.07 | phillipsjk | rene1: source code is relatively cpu-independent. |
| 19:23.11 | coredump | Hello there. A lousy configuration plagued my sarge with some unstable packages, is there any way to check wich packages are using the non-sarge/stable version and downgrade them? Maybe remove the sources.list line? |
| 19:23.12 | zinx | yang: you realize you can edit it in the image window, right? |
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| 19:23.19 | finn | deadcat, another problem is that my greater-than key isn't working with this keymap so I can't have the output forwarded into some file |
| 19:23.29 | deadcat | rene1: kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 - Linux kernel headers 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 19:23.29 | rene1 | well i linked my driver to kernel 2.6.8-2-386 but that didnt work either |
| 19:23.40 | finn | wich is pretty annoying, since the pipe is on the same key |
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| 19:23.59 | lildude | i think il sit back and learn rather than ask stuff |
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| 19:24.36 | Bac9 | deadcat: amanda uses proprietary file, doesn't do backup to filesystem |
| 19:24.39 | deadcat | finn: do you have locale installed? |
| 19:24.46 | deadcat | Bac9: ah. |
| 19:24.56 | PerfDave | Bac9: "propriatery file"? |
| 19:24.58 | Bac9 | deadcat: same for afbackup and bacula |
| 19:25.07 | finn | I'm not sure |
| 19:25.10 | Bac9 | PerfDave: their own format, designed for streams |
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| 19:25.14 | deadcat | Bac9: i use rsync and cvs only. |
| 19:25.19 | finn | what is it? for using different keymaps? |
| 19:25.20 | PerfDave | Bac9: *boggle* |
| 19:25.22 | Bac9 | deadcat: o, k thanx |
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| 19:25.35 | PerfDave | AMANDA makes backups you can restore with mt and tar. I know this because I've done it, and it's designed that way. |
| 19:25.37 | blitzie | g |
| 19:25.45 | yang | zinx: what you want to tell me, that i have to scale it into a preview window , before i do the real scan? |
| 19:25.57 | drac | finn: dpkg-reconfigure console-data, dpkg-reconfigure console-data plus for X setup, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 19:26.23 | zinx | yang: if you want it to auto-size.. the preview scan should be faster anyway.. the image window -might- have something to crop it after the fact, i haven't really paid much attention since i do a preview scan |
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| 19:26.43 | zinx | yang: automatically crop it after the fact, that is |
| 19:26.43 | SpinX | i just installed mysql, a program neds the lib dir for it. where is the libs located at? |
| 19:26.54 | miguelzinho | I'm running a mailserver with sarge, using postfix+mysql, I set virtual_transport to maildrop, but is gives me this error: user unknown. Command output: Invalid user specified. |
| 19:27.12 | Bac9 | PerfDave: I'd like something I can mount over nfs and just copy the files over |
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| 19:27.18 | finn | drac, all the X settings were done during the installation (except the resolution) |
| 19:27.33 | f8 | EdibleText, how do i convert .bin/.cue to .avi? is that as easy as bchunk? |
| 19:27.35 | miguelzinho | I supose that maildrop looks for unix user names, how do I say to maildrop to look in mysql? |
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| 19:28.03 | greycat | !l33t mail |
| 19:28.03 | SpinX | can anyone help me |
| 19:28.04 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my mail system to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false!!!!! |
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| 19:28.08 | PerfDave | Bac9: That's fine, but don't tell people that AMANDA uses propriatery formats, because it doesn't. |
| 19:28.16 | deadcat | !confuse SpinX |
| 19:28.16 | dpkg | No, where are your bacon tomorrow, SpinX? lederhosen of the monarchy of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
| 19:28.26 | SpinX | !fuck deadcat |
| 19:28.28 | usernameDeb02 | so me new debianSarge'gents ;].. an lassies too o course.. especially so ;];] |
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| 19:28.56 | Bac9 | PerfDave: as I recall it doesn't store its flies plainly, but with other tracking info (you're right the words were not chosen acuratly though) |
| 19:29.25 | usernameDeb02 | how does one fix the frustrating clipboard issues on linux distros on sarge please?.. |
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| 19:30.06 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: what "frustrating clipboard issues"? |
| 19:30.06 | usernameDeb02 | gnome offers a little fix so one isnt forced to keep source of cut/copy open before pasting clipboard contents? |
| 19:30.08 | PerfDave | Bac9: You'd expect a backup system to store meta-information with its backups. |
| 19:30.24 | PerfDave | usernameDeb02: What "frustrating issues" are you having? Things work fine for me. |
| 19:30.37 | PerfDave | usernameDeb02: Oh, but I'm using KDE, not Gnome. I have no idea whether that's the problem. |
| 19:30.38 | mentor | usernameDeb02: New GNOME has a clipboard manager complaint with the freedesktop spec IIRC. |
| 19:31.13 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: if you want the selection to be stored in the clipboard, then use ^C, ^V, if you don't want to use the clipboard then select with mouse and paste with middle button, they are two different systems |
| 19:31.16 | usernameDeb02 | ok.. then PerfDave Bac9 .. open gedit for example.. open any file.. hilite and copy / cut some text.. close said file |
| 19:31.24 | Bac9 | PerfDave: such as? |
| 19:31.29 | usernameDeb02 | and then attempt to paste text elsewhere?.. no worky |
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| 19:31.49 | PerfDave | usernameDeb02: Like I said, I don't use GNOME. |
| 19:31.54 | f8 | usernameDeb02, why not just leave said program open until paste? |
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| 19:32.01 | usernameDeb02 | rofl |
| 19:32.25 | PerfDave | Bac9: Uhm, when it was backed up, checksums, other information. Which host it was backed up from, for a system like AMANDA. |
| 19:32.33 | usernameDeb02 | eh.. no thanks on leaving apps / files / open along with extra clicks and steps.. |
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| 19:32.37 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: don't confuse the selection system and the clipboard system, they can be used in parallel and do not exchange data, so you can have one value in clipboard with ^C and another selected with mouse, then depending on if you use ^V or middle button you'll paste differen things |
| 19:32.57 | f8 | *shrug* |
| 19:32.57 | finn | any suggestions for a small X text editor so I can copy-paste something into it? |
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| 19:33.32 | cds | Anyone know why I'm getting this from cron? "/usr/share/sendmail/sendmail: line 820: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: No such file or |
| 19:33.36 | Bac9 | PerfDave: faubackup just puts it in a directory <source host>/<source directory>/<timestamp>/ what other data do you need? |
| 19:33.38 | cds | directory" |
| 19:33.47 | cddesjar2 | how do i temporary stop a module? i want to unload snd_usb_audio temporarily |
| 19:33.48 | PerfDave | Bac9: That's meta-information, well done :) |
| 19:33.51 | cds | (I'm using postfix) |
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| 19:34.06 | usernameDeb02 | alas.. Bac9 got diff tween 2 systems.. mouse / clipboard... not related to this specific issue.. |
| 19:34.06 | f8 | wow, eh, bchunk turned my bin/cue into horrible chunky worthless video. |
| 19:34.07 | greycat | cds: remove the cron job that's invoking sendmail, then. |
| 19:34.17 | usernameDeb02 | i know i can find and load the gnome clipboard manager.. |
| 19:34.28 | cds | greycat: any idea where it'll be? |
| 19:34.33 | Bac9 | PerfDave: but that meta info doesn't need to be stored together with the backup |
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| 19:34.38 | usernameDeb02 | but since debians preferred dtop = kde.. |
| 19:34.41 | PerfDave | Bac9: Uhm, yes it does. |
| 19:34.45 | usernameDeb02 | curious if better way |
| 19:34.48 | greycat | cds: man cron |
| 19:34.54 | idimmu | when apt says 'Setting up gstreamer0.8-misc (0.8.10-1) ... |
| 19:34.54 | idimmu | OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 247: (): illegal instruction in idct8x8_s16_mmx |
| 19:34.58 | idimmu | oops :( |
| 19:35.04 | usernameDeb02 | i chose kde dtops on this sarge install based on advise from others here.. |
| 19:35.06 | cds | greycat: I know what cron is - but there's a lot of it |
| 19:35.06 | Bac9 | PerfDave: you know what I mean |
| 19:35.15 | greycat | cds: man cron tells you what files cron reads. |
| 19:35.25 | cds | greycat: I know what files it reads |
| 19:35.53 | greycat | 15:34 cds> greycat: any idea where it'll be? |
| 19:35.53 | PerfDave | Bac9: No, I have no idea why you're complaining that a backup system stores meta-information so it knows where and when its backups come from. |
| 19:36.18 | Bac9 | PerfDave: I am not complaining, I am looking for some alternative to faubackup/nfs |
| 19:36.24 | cds | greycat: well, I know it'll be in the /etc/cron.d/ somewhere |
| 19:36.35 | Bac9 | PerfDave: because faubackup/nfs doesn't preserve gid/uid |
| 19:36.39 | cddesjar2 | does anyone know how i can unload my snd_usb_audio driver temporarily? |
| 19:36.41 | cds | greycat: what's it called? |
| 19:36.42 | PerfDave | Bac9: And spreading FUD about AMANDA :) |
| 19:36.51 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: so you want gnome? |
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| 19:37.12 | Bac9 | PerfDave: can you help or are you just going to nitpick? |
| 19:37.12 | greycat | cds: how the hell would *I* know what sendmail cron jobs are installed you *your* computer? |
| 19:37.16 | greycat | I use qmail! |
| 19:37.17 | PerfDave | cddesjar2: modprobe -r ? |
| 19:37.31 | greycat | look for one that's got fucking "sendmail" or "sm" in it! |
| 19:37.32 | tjansson | how du you prevent linux apache from saying things like "Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-15 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7e mod_perl/1.999.21 Perl/v5.8.7 ...." on the frontpage? |
| 19:37.36 | CptS | Hi, I need help configuring my sound card under debian, can anyone assist? |
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| 19:37.49 | cds | greycat: thanks for your abuse |
| 19:37.52 | PerfDave | Bac9: *shrug* I use AMANDA, you've said that isn't what you want, I just don't think that you should give people false information about it just because you don't like it :) |
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| 19:38.00 | usernameDeb02 | nm Bac9 i just want to maintian simple clipboard history of last copy/cut identical to winblowze clipboard behaviors for over decade now is all chum.. |
| 19:38.03 | tjansson | CptS: try alsaconf |
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| 19:38.05 | cddesjar2 | PerfDave: if i do that now, will it be reloaded at next bootup? |
| 19:38.13 | PerfDave | tjansson: Put in a front page that says something else? :) |
| 19:38.17 | usernameDeb02 | i know the way for this on gnome.. |
| 19:38.23 | PerfDave | cddesjar2: That depends on how it was loaded in the first place. |
| 19:38.33 | usernameDeb02 | was just confirming here if there is better app for kde desktop on sarge .. |
| 19:38.36 | Bac9 | PerfDave: can you mount amandas file store over nfs and see individual files files? if not then that's why I don't want amanda |
| 19:38.37 | CptS | tjansson, thanks. does it need to run under root? |
| 19:38.40 | tjansson | PerfDave: :D i mean there most be something in the config file to make it more stealth |
| 19:38.44 | cddesjar2 | PerfDave: it loads automatically when i boot |
| 19:38.45 | tjansson | CptS: yes |
| 19:38.49 | PerfDave | Bac9: I have no idea, since I've never needed to do that. |
| 19:38.53 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: so use ^C ^V |
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| 19:39.15 | PerfDave | tjansson: You don't need to edit any config files to alter the content of a website hosted on Apache. |
| 19:39.47 | cddesjar2 | hmm...it looks like i would need to reload the module, via modprobe -i snd_audio_usb after i removed it? |
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| 19:40.01 | Bac9 | PerfDave: it's a nice feature since you can share the place publickly as read-only and people can just get what ever file they need |
| 19:40.07 | CptS | tjansson, command not found. apt-get it? |
| 19:40.08 | usernameDeb02 | ^C / ^V DOES not get recorded if one uses from one app.. then closes it.. then attempts paste of copied source data.. |
| 19:40.10 | tjansson | PerfDave: The problem is the "Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-15 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7e mod_perl/1.999.21 Perl/v5.8.7 " part - I want to say Apache2 Debian - that shoulf be all |
| 19:40.19 | tjansson | CptS: sounds like a good idea :D |
| 19:40.25 | CptS | :) |
| 19:40.29 | PerfDave | tjansson: And if that is on the front page, then change it. |
| 19:40.38 | ^^DeAtH`^ | hey, I run a server with Debian, and suddenly it shut down now, I started it up again and read the /etc/secure.log - and saw nothing logins for root except from my own lan ip... why did this happen? :S |
| 19:40.40 | usernameDeb02 | persistent history of clipboard contents accross apps/sys wide is goal |
| 19:40.59 | PerfDave | /etc/secure.log ? |
| 19:41.04 | ^^DeAtH`^ | I mean /var |
| 19:41.05 | ^^DeAtH`^ | sorry |
| 19:41.20 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: yes it does, just try to copy between Qt apps or Gtk apps, if you want to mix and match then select/middle-click works best (but not buffered) |
| 19:41.32 | PerfDave | ^^DeAtH`^: What writes a file called "/var/secure.log"? |
| 19:41.46 | ^^DeAtH`^ | wait I am using wrong files... |
| 19:41.47 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: Qt<->Gtk ^C ^V doesn't always work right |
| 19:41.56 | tjansson | PerfDave: If a user makes a folder in public_html like foo - then it would tell any user about the server I'm running |
| 19:41.58 | PerfDave | Bac9: Whatever. I don't care whether AMANDA is what you want or not, I just don't think that you should spread false information about AMANDA :) |
| 19:42.10 | PerfDave | tjansson: Then don't let users make folders :) |
| 19:42.13 | tjansson | PerfDave: It should be more stealth |
| 19:42.16 | tjansson | PerfDave: lol |
| 19:42.19 | ^^DeAtH`^ | /etc/log/auth.log I mean |
| 19:42.36 | PerfDave | tjansson: Users can put files in public_html that tell the world that you have a small dick too, that doesn't mean that it's Apache's fault ;) |
| 19:42.38 | usernameDeb02 | okay Bac9 .. just do this.. open gedit.. any ole txt file u desire.. |
| 19:42.39 | tjansson | PerfDave: There must be another way |
| 19:42.53 | usernameDeb02 | Bac9, hilight and copy some .. Any txt in opened file.. |
| 19:43.02 | usernameDeb02 | then close gedit Bac9 .. |
| 19:43.03 | ^^DeAtH`^ | noo /var/log/auth.log <- I am tired now, sorry... but why did it just shut down |
| 19:43.04 | tjansson | PerfDave: true :D - I sure the option is there |
| 19:43.10 | tjansson | PerfDave: though |
| 19:43.13 | PerfDave | tjansson: If you give people the ability to publish whatever information they like, they can tell the world about your server configuration, and there's nothing you can do to stop them. |
| 19:43.28 | usernameDeb02 | and try to paste copied txt after closing gedit.. does n o t w o r k .. |
| 19:43.29 | cddesjar2 | ouch...tv norm would be found in the USA? PAL, SECAM, or NTSC |
| 19:43.41 | usernameDeb02 | and try to paste copied txt after closing gedit.. does n o t w o r k .. Bac9 |
| 19:43.42 | cddesjar2 | i'm setting up a webcam and just installed xawtv |
| 19:43.48 | tjansson | PerfDave: work with me here - you know what i mean :D |
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| 19:44.06 | f8 | cddesjar, NTSC |
| 19:44.15 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: don't forget to hit Ctrl+C after you highlight, and Ctrl+V when you paste |
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| 19:44.23 | PerfDave | tjansson: If you don't want people to publish details of your server configuration, then don't give them access to your web server. |
| 19:44.24 | usernameDeb02 | Bac9, only works if one keeps source app, gedit this example, open until one has pasted copied data.. |
| 19:44.31 | CptS | tjansson, in sends me out with a black msgbox with an "ok" button only. didn't find any PnP or ISA cards.. any other ideas? |
| 19:44.42 | usernameDeb02 | Bac9, alas guv.. does not matter on iota |
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| 19:44.59 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: that's because you forget to hit ^C and ^V :-) |
| 19:45.32 | usernameDeb02 | Bac9, pure rapid keyboardist here.. anti mouser too.. [mousing operations of pc input = 3x slower operations ;] |
| 19:45.44 | usernameDeb02 | omg Bac9 i am not forgetting squat guv.. |
| 19:45.58 | tjansson | CptS: hmm - Is the card new? |
| 19:46.10 | usernameDeb02 | Bac9, the ONly way i copy/cut/paste is via keyboard.. |
| 19:46.40 | usernameDeb02 | Bac9, only time i use mouse for clipboard activity is when im forced to by websites/etc.. not by choice for sure mate |
| 19:46.45 | Dr`toXic | no one with answer for my problem...? My little debian based server did suddenly shut down, I've read thru /var/log/auth.log and nothing suspicious... I'm using Debian 3.1... |
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| 19:46.57 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: should work |
| 19:47.14 | greycat | !smite samba-3.0.14a/source/Makefile for failing to "make install" when NFS mounted to a mount point with a different name than the server's source directory's name |
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| 19:47.33 | dakishi | where can i get debian`s themes? |
| 19:47.45 | usernameDeb02 | i beseech thee Bac9 .. test steps offered above.. you'll find it does not work as you assume chum ;];] |
| 19:48.03 | usernameDeb02 | once one closes copy-source-app/file.. |
| 19:48.21 | usernameDeb02 | clipboard dumps copied data..,., |
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| 19:49.10 | roler | how do I set this permission with chmod to a file? drwxrwsr-t ? |
| 19:49.17 | usernameDeb02 | ohwell.. _dpkg doesnt have any input on clipboard |
| 19:49.20 | greycat | !wikifaq roler Permissions |
| 19:49.21 | dpkg | roler: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:50.04 | usernameDeb02 | seeking persistant clipboard history on sarge is main goal.. |
| 19:50.21 | tjansson | PerfDave: I found something - ServerSignature Off in httpd.conf |
| 19:50.40 | rob_lt | dakishi, what do you mean, debian's themes? Themes for gnome? Try gnome-look.org or art.gnome.org |
| 19:50.56 | roler | wow |
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| 19:51.39 | usernameDeb02 | btw.. how does one confirm which dtop is running on sarge please?.. tween gnome / kde ? |
| 19:51.44 | cddesjar2 | anyone know a good program for a webcam? |
| 19:51.44 | v3 | hello all |
| 19:51.55 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: hm, used to work, looks like someone went and had fun with the clipboard again |
| 19:52.20 | dakishi | rob_lt, you know the look stile of youtr dektop, i want to download more, where do i get em? |
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| 19:52.49 | blaster | hello |
| 19:52.50 | x-Al1gma | hello blaster |
| 19:53.06 | roler | greycat; this really doesn't talk about how to issue a sticky t or s... thats what i need help with |
| 19:53.14 | v3 | I have some trouble with my partition table ... one of my reiserfs disks is being shown as Linux in the partition table ... I have a ton of data in there ... and fsck.reiserfs in debian is crippled and dosn't accept --rebuild-tree option |
| 19:53.21 | v3 | how do i fix this ? |
| 19:53.24 | usernameDeb02 | Bac9, eh.. ahem.. ;];].. it has never worked off shelf since i 1st migrated from winblowze over 3 yrs back without some kind of clipboard manager app chum.. google it u'll find its one of the pesky little issues with M$ / linux migration ;];] |
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| 19:53.30 | PerfDave | tjansson: That doesn't change anything to do with user content. |
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| 19:53.53 | usernameDeb02 | ooohhh... |
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| 19:53.55 | usernameDeb02 | arg |
| 19:54.00 | v3 | if i lost thet data in there it will be horrible :( |
| 19:54.08 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: I've always used select/click method so never really noticed |
| 19:54.08 | v3 | *loose |
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| 19:54.54 | usernameDeb02 | scary reiserfs data loss?.. been warned bout reiserfs data loss.. |
| 19:55.03 | tjansson | PerfDave: I KNOW but this is better |
| 19:55.15 | PerfDave | tjansson: It doesn't solve your problem! |
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| 19:56.03 | takkie | i've downloaded amsn but it won't install.... |
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| 19:56.15 | v3 | it must be debian .... |
| 19:56.17 | usernameDeb02 | Bac9, heh.. which mans you've always been round 3x slower on input than us keyboardist ;];] lol <pigtailYank> |
| 19:56.26 | tjansson | PerfDave: It does!! The user is me and one codeveloper |
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| 19:56.27 | swim | hey |
| 19:56.29 | v3 | i have had no trouble with that partition for a couple of years now ... |
| 19:56.29 | tjansson | :D |
| 19:56.34 | swim | anyone run freevo? |
| 19:56.38 | Bac9 | usernameDeb02: possibly |
| 19:56.43 | usernameDeb02 | heh |
| 19:56.46 | PerfDave | tjansson: So don't give your codeveloper write access to your home page! |
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| 19:56.56 | lildude | deadcat |
| 19:57.00 | v3 | and it was stable under slackware and gentoo ... so debian must be the culprit .... |
| 19:57.00 | traumator | www.google.com |
| 19:57.05 | lildude | router fuked up at dealer too |
| 19:57.10 | takkie | and those .bin files won't do anything too |
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| 19:57.23 | sess | I did something foolish. I installed webmin and a bunch of its modules to help me easily remote manage my samba/email server, now I can't access the machine remotely at all, except on the webmin port (no ssh or apache2 on port80, which are most important). Anyone know anything? |
| 19:57.31 | usernameDeb02 | hmmm.. t occurs to me finally.. to google up the gnome clipboard manager.. then add debian in the query.. hmmmm.. |
| 19:57.36 | PerfDave | v3: Despite the fact that filesystems are a matter of your kernel and not your distro? Just as well you keep backups :) |
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| 19:58.18 | sess | my iptables are set to allow everything by default, and Im not really sure what webmin may have done to demolish that. Anyone have any insight that could help? |
| 19:58.34 | _ad_ | hi folks: what do i have to configure in order to boot my debian without a keyboard attached to the computer? |
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| 19:58.53 | takkie | please help.... |
| 19:58.54 | usernameDeb02 | sadly.. no backups = high risk no matter the os/kernel.. been there done that to horrid levels before.. |
| 19:59.04 | roler | greycat; any other information on how to set +s and +t in the respective place? and the difference between t and T? |
| 19:59.13 | PerfDave | _ad_: That's a matter of your BIOS, some BIOSes don't support that but IIRC you can just put a resistor across two of the holes in the keyboard socket :) |
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| 19:59.30 | _ad_ | perfdave :-) |
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| 19:59.51 | ma3x | what means ABI? |
| 19:59.52 | ma3x | !abi |
| 19:59.53 | dpkg | abi is probably not gay. |
| 20:00.39 | ma3x | can i play ape files? |
| 20:00.57 | green_earz | sess: access webmin and emable ssh for a user and then ssh to the box and "dpkg -l | grep webmin" to see which webmin modules are installed |
| 20:00.58 | cahoot | the monkees? |
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| 20:01.39 | sess | green_earz: when I try to SSH to the box at all I get connection refused |
| 20:01.40 | PerfDave | ma3x: Monkeysaudio? Not easily, you need to run the Windows stuff under WINE and it's horribly flaky, AFAIK. Use FLAC :) |
| 20:02.01 | lildude | ho do see what some does whe ssh is working? |
| 20:02.08 | sess | green_earz: in addition, in the webmin ssh module, all users are allowed |
| 20:02.11 | lildude | i can on outer os not on debian |
| 20:02.25 | ma3x | PerfDave, must I run windows stuff? isn't there some plugin? |
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| 20:02.26 | greycat | lildude: just try it and see. |
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| 20:02.34 | PerfDave | lildude: Please try to write coherent English, I have *no* idea what you're trying to say. |
| 20:02.51 | lildude | i cant see ssh when in my debian box |
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| 20:03.04 | PerfDave | ma3x: No, because it's a shitty propriatery format which hardly anybody uses, and we've already got FLAC for lossless audio, which is better, better-supported, and not propriatery :) |
| 20:03.06 | greycat | I can't see ssh either. But I can use it. |
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| 20:03.17 | greycat | I trust that the little 0s and 1s are doing their job. |
| 20:03.17 | green_earz | sess: ok have you install webmin shorewall ? or webmin iptables ? |
| 20:03.32 | ma3x | PerfDave, do you like better .flac or .ogg? |
| 20:03.34 | sess | green_earz: yes, I tried both, but only iptables would install |
| 20:03.50 | sess | green_earz: and I configured it with the default option to allow all traffic... |
| 20:03.58 | PerfDave | ma3x: Uhm, chalk and cheese. Are you asking whether I prefer Ogg FLAC to Ogg Vorbis? |
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| 20:04.04 | xjacobx | yo, when I run the DebianInstaller, my keyboard isnt working, i tried "boot: linux noapic nolapic" like the fags says without success, any advices guys? |
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| 20:04.18 | ma3x | PerfDave, yes, that's what I'm asking you |
| 20:04.24 | pluggie | i'm trying to build a debian root fs by hand without using deboostrap but dpkg won't install into my newly created dir |
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| 20:04.42 | pluggie | root@knoppix:/minideb# dpkg --root=chroot -i bash_2.05b-26_i386.deb |
| 20:04.42 | pluggie | dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory |
| 20:04.42 | pluggie | root@knoppix:/minideb# |
| 20:04.49 | deimoos | hello i tryed to dist-upgrade my debian but it removed the mysql-server and didnt reinstall it !! did i loose all my databases ??!! |
| 20:04.55 | pluggie | any idea what exactly causes that error/how to fix it? |
| 20:05.09 | PerfDave | pluggie: Ask #knoppix if you're using Knoppix? |
| 20:05.14 | PerfDave | deimoos: probably not |
| 20:05.27 | PerfDave | ma3x: Personally, I use Ogg Vorbis for my music files. I can't really notice the loss of quality, and it's *much* smaller. I use Ogg FLAC for more serious stuff though. |
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| 20:05.51 | ma3x | PerfDave, more serious stuff like what? |
| 20:05.57 | green_earz | sess: so before webmin iptable was installed ssh was ok. if so disenable the webmin iptables. all so what is being used for config of the box fire wall on the box ? |
| 20:06.00 | deimoos | PerfDave : where are the files stored plz ?? |
| 20:06.11 | PerfDave | deimoos: Somewhere in /var, I think. I don't use mysql |
| 20:06.16 | ma3x | PerfDave, anyway what quality level do you choose with Ogg? |
| 20:06.19 | swim | anyone run freevo? |
| 20:06.22 | sess | green_earz: I thought nothing prior to this. |
| 20:06.56 | sess | green_earz: Im off work now. Im going to go home to the box, Ill be back soon. Thanks for your time, Ill try here again in about 30 |
| 20:07.05 | PerfDave | ma3x: Last time I used FLAC was getting a bunch of demo tracks from a friend's band to burn to CD and distribute to various people (got to love Creative Commons licensing) |
| 20:07.07 | pluggie | i'm trying to build a very minimal debian chroot from scratch i happen to be using what was a knoppix system to build from but i don't think thats relevent to this error |
| 20:07.13 | PerfDave | ma3x: I use whatever abcde uses by default :) |
| 20:07.15 | Omniscientist | anyone here live in minneapolis? |
| 20:07.30 | pingouin | prince N |
| 20:07.32 | pingouin | ? |
| 20:08.02 | pingouin | u got the look |
| 20:08.03 | swim | what package do I need to install for j2re with firefox? |
| 20:08.09 | PerfDave | swim: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:08.13 | PerfDave | swim: /msg dpkg java licensing |
| 20:08.19 | ma3x | PerfDave, that's Quality level 3. I use that too. Although many people say you can hear the difference between level 3 and 4, I can't hear it even between 3-6. It's so good at 3 |
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| 20:08.34 | swim | thx PerfDave |
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| 20:09.28 | green_earz | swim: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 20:09.41 | swim | cheers green_earz |
| 20:09.45 | green_earz | np |
| 20:09.49 | xjacobx | yo my keyboard is not working with debian sarge installer, any advices? |
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| 20:10.21 | roler | I am looking how to chmod the directory to drwxrwsr-t. I *understand* permissions with binary, 4,2,1, +this and -that. I do not know however to get the s and the t in the right place. further more, when I set +t it turns to a T in the permissions. Please help. This is beyond the #debian wiki faq. |
| 20:10.21 | oigres | Does anyone know why there is no openwebmail debs anymore? |
| 20:10.46 | fatal_ | swim: "/msg dpkg mozilla java" is probably what you're looking for. |
| 20:11.16 | randomity | roler: to set s, set s and x |
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| 20:11.41 | greycat | don't the make-jpkg packages automatically configure themselves as firefox plugins? |
| 20:11.52 | randomity | s means SUID and execute. If you just have s, ls will show S or something to indicate how screwy your setup is |
| 20:12.05 | oigres | roler: chmod 3775 directory |
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| 20:12.31 | roler | oigres; i just found out about stat and it showed me 3775. but is there a formula to 3775 or what? |
| 20:12.32 | fatal_ | roler: try the chmod manpage.... t is the sticky bit, s is suid/sgid. |
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| 20:12.44 | concept10 | Where is the best place(s) to find out what hardware is compatible in Linux and what drivers they use? |
| 20:13.10 | xjacobx | wow the support is awesome in here... (if anyone has a sarcasm detector it's time to BEEP) |
| 20:13.10 | oigres | roler: man chmod is your friend... |
| 20:13.38 | fatal_ | concept10: redhat has a certification list afaik.... another good way is to enter "linux <hardware name>" on google and read the top pages. |
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| 20:13.56 | green_earz | concept10: the mandrake site and have a look at there hardware support section |
| 20:14.01 | oigres | concept10: less /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Hardware-HOWTO.gz |
| 20:14.03 | randomity | concept10: try www.linmodems.org for an internal winmodem |
| 20:14.12 | roler | oigres; hmm. i tried that and saw nothing about the initial 3.. but i'll look again. thanks! |
| 20:14.28 | greycat | fatal_: isn't that already explained in the wiki page? |
| 20:14.37 | greycat | fatal_: (the chmod stuff) |
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| 20:14.55 | randomity | concept10: the Linux Hardware Compatibilty HOWTO is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ |
| 20:14.56 | cddesjar2 | how do i know what my audio input device is? |
| 20:14.57 | oigres | roler: Of course there's nothing about the first three, that's because: 2+1 = 3 !! Got it? |
| 20:15.03 | concept10 | Thanks for the responses. See this is why I am working on this project. I want to create a database that is distro neutral. |
| 20:15.12 | fatal_ | greycat: no idea... was just trying to help... |
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| 20:15.38 | randomity | concept10: Software or Hardware? |
| 20:15.44 | oigres | Does anyone know why there are no openwebmail debs anymore? |
| 20:15.52 | buu | Ok, I just stuck a new nic in my computer, it's a netgear fa311. I read on the internet that this type uses the 'natsemi' driver, but when I mod probe it, nothing happens. No errors, no card recognition. |
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| 20:16.01 | concept10 | randomity, hardware |
| 20:16.01 | Codemaster_ | hi all |
| 20:16.20 | Codemaster_ | can i release my ip address assigned by dhcp, |
| 20:16.38 | concept10 | Im looking for volunteer on this project with me, I think it would be great. |
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| 20:16.43 | sussudio | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050815 |
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| 20:17.16 | abrotman | oigres: there are many packaged .. |
| 20:17.17 | Codemaster_ | obiviously my isp wont give another one in windows |
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| 20:17.30 | buu | Oh duh, it works fine apparently, I just need to do ifconfig up before it shows in the default ifconfig list |
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| 20:17.39 | randomity | concept10: If it's a backend db, you don't really need to worry. Linux supports most things like RAID disks, processors, etc.. The main question with hardware on linux is whether it supports peripherals, which is irrelavant on a backend db |
| 20:17.41 | Mr-R | sussudio: working in support? :) |
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| 20:18.21 | oigres | abrotman: Sorry, but i've tried apt-cache search openwebmail and many modifications. I've also looked for the debs on debian mirrors and nothing... Am I getting something wrong? |
| 20:18.21 | sussudio | :-| |
| 20:19.02 | abrotman | oigres: i meant many others :) |
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| 20:19.45 | abrotman | oigres: are you deadset on openwebmail ? |
| 20:20.10 | concept10 | randomity, See I want to build a site that everyone can goto and you will see this: Type in your hardware or laptop model and it gives you a profile that tells you what works in linux, what isnt supported and what drivers you may use. |
| 20:20.19 | oigres | abrotman: sort of, because openwebmail is running on a system with 400 users and wouldn't be nice to change it. |
| 20:20.31 | abrotman | oigres: check apt-get.org |
| 20:20.41 | abrotman | oigres: but horde/imp is a nice solution |
| 20:21.15 | happy_broccoli | is there a manual way to test disk read without using hdparm and making sure the memory cache isnt used |
| 20:21.47 | oigres | abrotman: I remember trying once (about a year ago) to set up horde and it was too difficult.... |
| 20:21.52 | rutski89 | can i mount fat16 on debian? |
| 20:21.59 | abrotman | oigres: really? ... it's not hard at all |
| 20:22.01 | abrotman | rutski89: yes |
| 20:22.07 | cddesjar2 | do i need special software to use a microphone? |
| 20:22.07 | oigres | abrotman: I'll check up apt-get.org anyway... |
| 20:22.26 | rob_lt | cddesjar, nope |
| 20:22.46 | rutski89 | abrotman: ok then :) |
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| 20:22.54 | rutski89 | abrotman: _how_ do i mount fat16 on debian? |
| 20:23.04 | cddesjar2 | i can't seem to set up gnomemeeting...but i know my webcam is working because xawtv works |
| 20:23.05 | rob_lt | cddesjar, run alsamixer and unmute the mic, turn up the volume, and test it |
| 20:23.05 | oigres | abrotman: Things might not be too hard now, but i remembered I suffered with it. However openwebmail instalation was quite smooth. No much problems at all... Do you happen to know why there is no openwebmail in Debian now? |
| 20:23.07 | peterS | rutski89: mount -t vfat |
| 20:23.15 | rutski89 | ahh, vfat |
| 20:23.20 | abrotman | oigres: apt-get install imp ? |
| 20:23.31 | abrotman | oigres: uhm .. stick around .. let me look |
| 20:23.33 | peterS | rutski89: or if you *really* don't want long filename support and mixed case ... mount -t msdos (: |
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| 20:23.43 | chipdalf | howdy... |
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| 20:24.19 | geemark | if i have a file - /bin/ls, ifconfig or similar - how do I find out which package it is in? |
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| 20:24.37 | PerfDave | geemark: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:24.49 | abrotman | oigres: i don't see it anywhere .. you could file an RFP |
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| 20:25.26 | chipdalf | anyone here who knows smbmount? does smbmount use the locales of the host as standard-iocharset? |
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| 20:25.58 | oigres | abrotman: Well, it may be something with the maintainer... I'll check out apt-get.org. Thanks for the info! |
| 20:26.09 | abrotman | oigres: it might be the license .. |
| 20:26.15 | abrotman | oigres: i don't know if it's gpl or not |
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| 20:28.07 | homekneet | fc-cache program (ttf-bitstream-vera package being installed as a dependency on sarge) - currently showing 99.5% in top and time has reached 19mins plus - is this usual? |
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| 20:29.17 | chipdalf | homekneet: i do not think so... |
| 20:29.32 | liable | homekneet: its hanging on install? |
| 20:29.55 | homekneet | yes - aptitude install plone has dragged it in |
| 20:30.38 | homekneet | all sorts of font stuff - the last three packages in order defoma - libfreetype6 - ttf-bitstream-vera |
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| 20:31.05 | homekneet | aptitude is sitting on Regenerating fonts cache... and top shows it's fc-cache |
| 20:31.10 | geemark | PerfDave: thank you, it works |
| 20:31.47 | chipdalf | homekneet: what does top say? is aptitude still running? |
| 20:32.01 | homekneet | yep |
| 20:32.04 | idimmu | is mysql in sid broken? |
| 20:32.13 | idimmu | or is it just my lucky day? |
| 20:32.34 | homekneet | as is a proces called ttf-bitstream-v (which has to be -vera I guess) |
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| 20:33.07 | PerfDave | idimmu: Did you check the BTS? It's Sid, shit breaks randomly. |
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| 20:33.32 | idimmu | BTS ? |
| 20:33.35 | Bac9 | anyone know irc channel for faubackup? |
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| 20:33.38 | idimmu | and i know stuff breaks randomly |
| 20:33.54 | zinx | you're running sid and you don't know what the bts is? |
| 20:34.00 | PerfDave | !btssmite idimmu |
| 20:34.18 | idimmu | pfft! |
| 20:34.26 | drac | haha, dinner is served. |
| 20:34.41 | greycat | maybe it's not turned on |
| 20:34.47 | homekneet | That's possible |
| 20:34.59 | homekneet | Hmm - fc-cache now at 26 mins plus - wonder if I should kill it :) |
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| 20:35.12 | idimmu | never seen it called bts before |
| 20:35.31 | greycat | !topicsmite idimmu |
| 20:35.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon idimmu. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:35.41 | abrotman | topicfsck! |
| 20:36.04 | idimmu | ! |
| 20:36.16 | chipdalf | homekneet: kill it... it is a good day to die... *fg* |
| 20:36.32 | idimmu | just have to work out which of the 46 outstanding bugs ive got to deal with now! |
| 20:36.44 | greycat | it could be a brand new bug |
| 20:36.47 | homekneet | A little interrupt and aptitude continues - waiting to see what message I get at the end |
| 20:36.50 | idimmu | haa |
| 20:36.54 | idimmu | haha |
| 20:37.47 | homekneet | Nice - aptitude works out that something went wrong and tries to recover. Runs - guess what - fc-cache - and guess what - 99.5% CPU and time is counting :) |
| 20:38.10 | jkern | For those who admit to running sid, updgrading to xserver-org was rather painless even with a very uncommuicative nVidia card. |
| 20:38.13 | homekneet | Gonna get a coffee - let it run - see what happens |
| 20:38.53 | greycat | jkern: yes, we've had quite few problem reports related to x.org itself |
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| 20:39.18 | cddesjar2 | does anyone know how to unload a module? modprobe -r doesn't seem to be working |
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| 20:39.28 | greycat | cddesjar2: rmmod, or reboot. |
| 20:39.33 | jkern | greycat, seems to actually be better for my aging LG Flatron |
| 20:39.41 | greycat | if it's a custom kernel, we get to point and laugh. |
| 20:39.52 | greycat | jkern: it's better for my radeon 9000, certainly |
| 20:40.33 | jkern | greycat, I supposed there was little difference fron xserver.org at this point but I was wrong. |
| 20:40.52 | drac | fron xserver.org ? :o |
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| 20:41.19 | jkern | doh! xserver-xfree86, pardon me. |
| 20:41.47 | greycat | for some chipsets, there's a big difference |
| 20:42.32 | swim | anyone running gnome on sid perchance? are deps for 'gnome' package broken? |
| 20:42.47 | liable | probably.. |
| 20:42.51 | greycat | wouldn't it be obvious? |
| 20:42.53 | Oryn | greycat: ati igp shows a big difference |
| 20:42.55 | PerfDave | swim: Probably, check the BTS. |
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| 20:42.59 | greycat | why would you have to *ask* whether they are broken? |
| 20:43.21 | swim | PerfDave, BTS? |
| 20:43.39 | PeterB | !btssmite swim |
| 20:43.48 | swim | ah thx |
| 20:44.22 | idimmu | sorted out my mysql issue, this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320638 so i just did apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 voila! |
| 20:44.27 | greycat | how you get from "If" to "9000" is a mystery. |
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| 20:44.43 | zinx | greycat: it's from the 0x4966 |
| 20:44.48 | zinx | greycat: that's "If" |
| 20:45.02 | zinx | greycat: oh nevermind, i see what you're saying |
| 20:45.15 | zinx | greycat: it's called "Marketing" |
| 20:45.20 | zinx | greycat: it's all the rage these days :) |
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| 20:45.35 | greycat | I thought the Rage was obsolete now ;-) |
| 20:45.40 | lildude | crying over here laible nows why |
| 20:45.46 | lildude | tears tears |
| 20:45.46 | peterS | all the rage. funny. |
| 20:45.59 | greycat | I've got a Rage IIc somewhere. |
| 20:46.24 | win_DoubleHP | a Reisorfs partition has been deleted. testdisk can find the location of partition, but not list the files in it: which other tool can track for files ? |
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| 20:47.25 | E-bola | Can a debian box have 2 interfaces with the same ip/mask/gw ? |
| 20:47.42 | homekneet | Hmm - fc-cache is hanging on "Scanning file /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/b018012l.pfb..." |
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| 20:48.03 | stew | E-bola: yes, read bonding.txt in the kernel Documentation |
| 20:48.11 | E-bola | stew: well i dont wanna bond |
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| 20:48.19 | E-bola | i just need ot switch ip form 1 interface to another |
| 20:48.30 | E-bola | and im doing it remotely, so i wanna make sure i dont lock my self out |
| 20:48.30 | E-bola | hehe |
| 20:48.51 | stew | i dunno |
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| 20:51.41 | a_arcane | Hi! Got a nis related problem. Ive created a user on a server. When logging in to the server from the server (not using nis) it works. I then tried to login on the user from a client and the login failed. I returned to the server and tried to login without nis again and now it failed. How can this be? |
| 20:52.12 | pluggie | win_DoubleHP does mount have a way to specify an offset? |
| 20:52.18 | pluggie | if so you may be able to mount it that way |
| 20:52.56 | PerfDave | E-bola: Remote serial connection ;) |
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| 20:53.05 | E-bola | wish i had that |
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| 20:53.27 | otroean | have just updated my webmin, what is the command to configure it? |
| 20:53.30 | E-bola | what decides what hw nic gets which eth0 and which gets eth1 etc? |
| 20:53.37 | PerfDave | E-bola: The kernel |
| 20:53.53 | PerfDave | E-bola: It's fairly arbitrary, use ifrename if you want to mandate names for interfaces. |
| 20:54.00 | peterS | E-bola: specifically which driver loads first |
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| 20:54.19 | win_DoubleHP | pluggie: yes .... but testdisk fails because a void partition has been created close by, but not formatted, so that files are still safe. |
| 20:54.25 | E-bola | hmmm dont got ifrename |
| 20:54.28 | E-bola | let me find a package |
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| 20:54.53 | s_ward | otroean: "configure" webmin? Doesn't it just run and you do everything on the web interface? |
| 20:55.07 | zinx | s_ward: it does in Debian |
| 20:55.42 | MattGideon | I tried to move from woody to sarge but hit errors when processing packages. What is my next step? |
| 20:55.53 | s_ward | I thought so.. that's what I thought I was answering for too.. of course, I could have entered #webmin by mistake :o |
| 20:56.01 | PerfDave | MattGideon: What errors did you hit? Did you read the Sarge installation manual about upgrading from Woody? |
| 20:56.14 | otroean | s_ward, It just say the connection was refused when trying to connect to *****:10000 |
| 20:56.26 | cddesjar2 | does kopete allow video chat? |
| 20:56.46 | peterS | hmm, back in 1997 someone should have produced a buzzword-compliant linux distribution called webian |
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| 20:56.52 | otroean | s_ward, I guess it's wemin root user that it gone. and can't remember how i did it last time... |
| 20:56.54 | PerfDave | cddesjar2: No, it forbids it. It'll remove gnomemeeting and other such applications from your system, because it hates them, hates them so much... |
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| 20:57.10 | cddesjar2 | lol...i guess i didn't mean allo |
| 20:57.13 | MattGideon | PerfDave: No, I did not read the manual. I followed the bot instructions |
| 20:57.20 | joe666 | hi there, is the power3 kernel image built specifically to run on G3 ibooks or powermacs ? |
| 20:57.22 | PerfDave | MattGideon: Try reading the manual. |
| 20:57.34 | s_ward | otroean: Does 'dpkg-reconfigure'ing it work? I don't know much about its setup, I used it briefly. |
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| 20:58.17 | joe666 | the description of the package says is for power3 procesors, but I don't know if that is the same as G3, newbie here :) |
| 20:58.19 | green_earz | MattGideon: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 20:58.21 | miguelzinho | what package has dh_testdir? |
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| 20:58.28 | peterS | miguelzinho: debhelper, why? |
| 20:58.35 | miguelzinho | to build a package |
| 20:58.36 | MattGideon | dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:58.37 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 20:58.51 | miguelzinho | i ned to rebuild dropmail to suport mysql |
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| 20:59.05 | peterS | miguelzinho: then you probably want to apt-get build-dep dropmail |
| 20:59.06 | s_ward | otroean: If that doesn't work, have a look at /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf |
| 21:00.13 | dotsony | i'm trying to eradicate all traces of libranet on my system |
| 21:00.20 | dotsony | then I want to switch from stable to testing |
| 21:00.29 | dotsony | can anyone point me to the standard apt_preferences file? |
| 21:00.40 | valdyn_ | dotsony: reinstall |
| 21:00.56 | dotsony | i'd like to avoid that if possible |
| 21:01.00 | PerfDave | dotsony: If you want to install Debian, install Debian. Don't try to bodge non-Debian installs into Debian, it only leads to random fuckups that nobody can help you with. |
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| 21:01.20 | valdyn_ | !debtakeover |
| 21:01.20 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 21:02.09 | sabster | I'm trying to play a .MP4 video file encoded with ffmpegx in x264 and AAC(AC-3) audio. Neither Mplayer nor VLC will play it. Has anyone had any luck with these files? |
| 21:02.17 | sabster | (They are the standard for Quicktime 7, FYI) |
| 21:02.18 | dotsony | valdyn_: debian seems like a rather militant distro |
| 21:03.20 | liable | !sarge |
| 21:03.20 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 21:03.27 | valdyn_ | hah |
| 21:03.27 | dotsony | is there a way of reinstalling without reformating? |
| 21:03.30 | s_ward | Yep, millitant! |
| 21:03.33 | PerfDave | sabster: You might be able to deal with them using the non-free, patent-crippled w32codecs from marillat, but if that doesn't work you're probably SOL. |
| 21:03.52 | dotsony | i've got many gigs of media and no way to back it up |
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| 21:04.02 | valdyn_ | dotsony: debtakeover kinda does that, but a true reinstall is probably safer. |
| 21:04.08 | sabster | PerfDave: Oh, I thought that x264 was FOSS? |
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| 21:04.19 | valdyn_ | dotsony: on the same partition? |
| 21:04.21 | maffelu__ | I need a small code line to put "_" where there are spaces in a directory filled with bad names |
| 21:04.25 | dotsony | yeah, unfortunately |
| 21:04.31 | MattGideon | PerfDave: Where is the sarge upgrade manual? |
| 21:04.40 | dotsony | i'm a broke-ass motherfucker with not enough money for multiple drives |
| 21:04.43 | PerfDave | MattGideon: It's the Sarge Installation Manual, at http://www.debian.org/ |
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| 21:05.02 | PerfDave | sabster: There may be a Free implementation of it, but it can still be patent-encumbered. |
| 21:05.03 | MattGideon | My web client is broken. Can you give me a specific page? |
| 21:05.06 | valdyn_ | dotsony: try debtakeover, but nothing is safe if you dont backup either way. and your harddisk will die one day |
| 21:05.13 | dotsony | this one is already split between win2k (needed for shit, don't ask) |
| 21:05.17 | PerfDave | sabster: I just know that w32codecs is what people tend to use to cope with Quickslime files. |
| 21:05.19 | joe666 | hi there, is the power3 kernel image built specifically to run on G3 ibooks or powermacs ? description says is for power3 processors, but I don't know if that means G3 processors |
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| 21:05.44 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.45 | PerfDave | joe666: You might want to ask #debianppc |
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| 21:05.54 | joe666 | PerfDave, thanks |
| 21:06.08 | linuxfreck | joe666: power3 is found in ibm iseries and zseries machines, not in apple hardware |
| 21:06.09 | MattGideon | So those are release notes |
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| 21:06.24 | joe666 | linuxfreck, oh!, ok, thanks a lot |
| 21:06.26 | dotsony | joe666: debianppc is an uphill battle |
| 21:06.34 | dotsony | joe666: you might want to try their mailing list |
| 21:06.41 | joe666 | dotsony, how come ? |
| 21:06.42 | Thanatermesis | exist a network configurator in GUI for debian ? |
| 21:06.46 | joe666 | dotsony, I will thanks |
| 21:06.48 | dotsony | joe666: if you are going to use a powerbook you have wierd hardware issues |
| 21:06.55 | valdyn_ | Thanatermesis: etherconf |
| 21:07.03 | gdbmonkie | LIGHTSCRIBE enabled label burning in linux/*nix .. any ideas, thoughts, want to help write a driver ? |
| 21:07.06 | maffelu__ | I want to put underscores where there are spaces in filenames, why doesn't this work? |
| 21:07.06 | maffelu__ | for i in " "; do _ $i ; done |
| 21:07.08 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.14 | joe666 | dotsony, am not doing it that bad already... I think... |
| 21:07.19 | streuner | Thanatermesis: read /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 21:07.20 | joe666 | dotsony, thanks for the advice |
| 21:07.30 | dotsony | joe666: a lot of it has to do with the way powerbooks manage power |
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| 21:08.04 | dotsony | joe666: look on the debian site for their list archives |
| 21:08.24 | green_earz | Thanatermesis: etherconf is a console config tool |
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| 21:08.44 | seba | o |
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| 21:09.09 | seba | alguien habla espańol |
| 21:09.12 | PeterB | !es |
| 21:09.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:09.56 | misleb | Has anyone here installed imp4/horde3 in Debian? I remenber doing imp3 and it was a breeze. It created the mysql tables and everthing. The new packages don't do crap. It just installs the pakcages and you have to go figure out how to add it to apache, create SQL tables for preferrences... am I missing something? |
| 21:10.07 | gdbmonkie | LIGHTSCRIBE... linux , any docs/info .. ? |
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| 21:10.50 | misleb | I don't mind doing it, but I was getting spoiled by Debian postinst scripts |
| 21:11.07 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: What's LIGHTSCRIBE when it's at home? |
| 21:11.28 | s_ward | What is it when it's not at home? |
| 21:11.29 | gdbmonkie | PerfDave: what ? |
| 21:11.47 | s_ward | gdbmonkie: What is LIGHTSCRIBE? |
| 21:11.49 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: What's this LIGHTSCRIBE thing you're talking about? |
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| 21:12.36 | homekneet | Is it that "write the image to a CD top using the lazer instead of a sticky label" ? |
| 21:12.38 | gdbmonkie | it's a technology for BURNING labels onto cd-r's and dvd's |
| 21:12.46 | gdbmonkie | homekneet: yeah.. |
| 21:12.47 | commodude28 | Uh I just downloaded Sarge... I get a bunch of scan code errors... How do I fix the keymap problem in Debian? It's on the reboot.. Can I enter another console to fix the problem once someone advices me? I have a wireless keyboard.. Thanks |
| 21:12.56 | PerfDave | With RANDOM CAPITALISED WORDS? ;) |
| 21:13.03 | commodude28 | I run gentoo on this machine |
| 21:13.08 | gdbmonkie | I was hoping for someone who was writing support/driver.. not people who dont even know what it is |
| 21:13.10 | homekneet | PerfDave: Well - quite a lot of CDs do have RCWs |
| 21:13.10 | s_ward | gdbmonkie: This? http://www.lightscribe.com/ |
| 21:13.13 | homekneet | :) |
| 21:13.17 | gdbmonkie | s_ward: aye |
| 21:13.18 | MattGideon | I have just looked at the "release-notes/" page. I cannot see anything about my dependency problems. Is there something there whch I missed? |
| 21:13.20 | dotsony | i dunno how familiar you guys are with libranet |
| 21:13.27 | commodude28 | and I am finding the differences of linuxes really quick |
| 21:13.28 | dotsony | it really is mostly debian, at this point |
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| 21:14.02 | dotsony | i already removed the libranet sources from the sources.list file and switched from woody to sarge, back when sarge was testing |
| 21:14.09 | OleMoudi | I have the correct chipset driver loaded and still I'm getting "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" when trying to enable DMA, any ideas? |
| 21:14.30 | dotsony | now that it's stable I want to switch to the newer testing -- i guess that's sid? |
| 21:14.36 | commodude28 | Nah I am at another computer asking the questions... |
| 21:15.00 | gdbmonkie | grrrr |
| 21:15.06 | PerfDave | dotsony: No, etch is the new testing, but you want to reinstall. |
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| 21:15.07 | commodude28 | I cant type anything on the computer I put Sarge on without it displaying scan code messages |
| 21:15.24 | dos000 | can anyone tell me their experience/preference in dell vs ibm for servers ? |
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| 21:15.54 | commodude28 | Installing Gentoo once was fine for me... |
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| 21:16.26 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: It's probably worth e-mailing the manufacturer and asking if they're planning on releasing Free Linux software for it, or even a spec to allow people to write Free drivers. I suspect you'll find that it's patent-encumbered though. |
| 21:16.29 | commodude28 | I was looking for something other than Gentoo and someone suggestes Sarge |
| 21:16.44 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: yeah good idea.. not |
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| 21:17.02 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: why waste my energy .. |
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| 21:17.21 | Om | I'm using Gnome under debian testing, recently then it seems that whenever a window tries to make itself the active (top) window then it just makes it's title be in bold in the taskbar. Anyone know where I can set it back? |
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| 21:17.45 | commodude28 | SO does Debian hate usb keyboards? |
| 21:17.48 | commodude28 | Well that |
| 21:17.59 | commodude28 | cant be true knoppix works |
| 21:18.00 | PerfDave | commodude28: Debian works just fine with USB keyboards. |
| 21:18.01 | Rawplayer | anyone using a intel stl2 mainboard? |
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| 21:18.19 | commodude28 | wireless? Knoppix does |
| 21:18.36 | commodude28 | and Knoppix is a Debian variant I thought? |
| 21:18.49 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: I already spidered hp's site.. to probe for lightscribe info .. it has lots of comments like this .. : " *NOTE: LightScribe software works with Windows 32-Bit only. " |
| 21:19.01 | PerfDave | commodude28: Knoppix is not Debian. It's based on Debian, but it's not Debian and not supported here. If you're using Knoppix, go to #knoppix. |
| 21:19.04 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: That's nice. |
| 21:19.11 | commodude28 | I aint |
| 21:19.19 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: It's still worth e-mailing them. |
| 21:19.23 | commodude28 | I actually download Sarge the 2 dvd's |
| 21:19.32 | commodude28 | But I guess I was mis informed |
| 21:19.33 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: I also tried to get a license for the technology , to write a driver for linux .. they only license the technology to companies who's profits are in excess of 1 million dollars USD, and it cost over 250,000$ to license |
| 21:19.51 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: So any software you write will be illegal? |
| 21:19.52 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: they dont want a linux driver, it doesnt fit into their plans.. they're lame .. |
| 21:19.57 | commodude28 | I was trying to use logic |
| 21:20.01 | PerfDave | commodude28: What were you misinformed about? |
| 21:20.03 | commodude28 | and it was thrown out the window |
| 21:20.12 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: illegal no, but elite sure .. will have to be reverse engineered |
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| 21:20.22 | commodude28 | Well I have a wireless keyboard |
| 21:20.31 | commodude28 | I just installed sarge |
| 21:20.35 | commodude28 | and booted to it |
| 21:20.40 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: It'll probably be illegal in many jurisdictions. |
| 21:20.49 | commodude28 | where it finshes it installation |
| 21:20.50 | gdbmonkie | perdave: oh you're a lawyer ? |
| 21:20.56 | commodude28 | but I get scan code messages |
| 21:21.01 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: No, I just play one on IRC. |
| 21:21.14 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: Funnily, I think that too. |
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| 21:21.21 | Om | I'm using Gnome under debian testing, recently then it seems that whenever a window tries to make itself the active (top) window then it just makes it's title be in bold in the taskbar. Anyone know where I can set it back? |
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| 21:21.39 | commodude28 | All I know is this is a keymaps prb unless you can tell me different |
| 21:21.45 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: thanks for the string of useless comments though, really helpful |
| 21:21.55 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: Yes, they were. |
| 21:21.57 | commodude28 | I assumed Knoppix was Debian and therefoe thought |
| 21:21.59 | gdbmonkie | moron |
| 21:22.03 | commodude28 | if it worked in knoppix |
| 21:22.04 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: Yes, you are :) |
| 21:22.13 | commodude28 | it'll work in Sarge |
| 21:22.20 | PerfDave | commodude28: Debian and Knoppix are not the same thing. They're not even like brothers, more like cousins. |
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| 21:22.27 | commodude28 | okay |
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| 21:22.35 | commodude28 | so how I fix the problem |
| 21:22.42 | commodude28 | I cant type anything |
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| 21:23.02 | PerfDave | commodude28: I don't know why your keyboard isn't working, I'm afraid. I know that the USB keyboards I've used with Debian have worked fine, so it's not a USB issue, it has to be specific to your keyboard. |
| 21:23.21 | commodude28 | Itis a wireless usb one |
| 21:23.32 | gdbmonkie | who is this jackass |
| 21:23.38 | gdbmonkie | he never says anything useful |
| 21:23.43 | commodude28 | It says Microsoft on it... Perhaps that is the problem |
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| 21:23.56 | commodude28 | I bought it ages ago |
| 21:24.05 | brendan_ | hi |
| 21:24.09 | PerfDave | commodude28: I would *expect* that the wireless is independent of the USB, and it just presents to the system as a standard USB device, but if it's made by Microsoft then who knows ;) |
| 21:24.14 | commodude28 | Works in Gentoo :).. Linux is Linux so therefore |
| 21:24.17 | gdbmonkie | commondude28: what keyboard.. and what dist again, I dont have a buffer |
| 21:24.41 | brendan_ | is there a way to change the backage revision number when rebuilding a source package? package-1.2.3-1 to package-1.2.3-2 |
| 21:24.53 | nkuttler | commodude28: boot knoppix again, look what kernel modules are loaded, reboot debian, load them |
| 21:24.56 | gdbmonkie | commodude28: a guaranteed way to get it working .. USB-> ps/2 converter .. |
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| 21:25.14 | commodude28 | hmm |
| 21:25.19 | nkuttler | commodude28: could be the wireless part doesn't work |
| 21:25.24 | MattGideon | gdbmonkie: Can you help me with my upgrade problem? |
| 21:25.35 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: I can try .. |
| 21:25.38 | commodude28 | It works fine in Gentoo |
| 21:25.39 | zinx | commodude28: install hotplug :P |
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| 21:25.46 | commodude28 | okay |
| 21:25.49 | commodude28 | hotplug |
| 21:25.52 | commodude28 | anything else? |
| 21:25.57 | MattGideon | There seem to be dependeny issues with the upgrade |
| 21:26.01 | commodude28 | I'll plug in a wired one |
| 21:26.04 | gdbmonkie | commodude28: it's not a wireless issue, they're morons .. it's a module issue, load usb modules and it'll work with the right config file |
| 21:26.05 | zinx | commodude28: make sure your kernel supports it or has the modules |
| 21:26.17 | commodude28 | OHCI but |
| 21:26.22 | commodude28 | I wouldnt know |
| 21:26.22 | zinx | commodude28: the stock debian kernel should have the proper stuff, your self-compiled one might not |
| 21:26.30 | commodude28 | Debian installed a 2.6.8 one |
| 21:26.32 | zinx | commodude28: OHCI isn't all you need |
| 21:26.35 | commodude28 | I didnt compile it |
| 21:26.35 | abrotman | commodude28: stop hitting enter damn it |
| 21:26.49 | Ungy | !tell me abotu enter |
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| 21:26.58 | abrotman | !tell Ungy about enter |
| 21:26.58 | gdbmonkie | oh yeah... anyone else who thinks e-mailing hp for getting support for their lightscribe enabled drive (in linux) .. check out this link http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12260_na/12260_na.HTML |
| 21:26.58 | commodude28 | Huh |
| 21:27.02 | dotsony | well here goes apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade... |
| 21:27.08 | dotsony | i bet this doen't work |
| 21:27.13 | dotsony | but if it breaks apt, then i'll reinstall |
| 21:27.15 | streuner | hm |
| 21:27.21 | abrotman | gdbmonkie: HP support of linux when it doesn't work sucks |
| 21:27.23 | Ungy | abrotman thanks I needed the reminder |
| 21:27.36 | abrotman | Ungy: your abotu didn't work :) |
| 21:27.38 | commodude28 | I'll figure it out |
| 21:27.41 | commodude28 | later |
| 21:27.48 | gdbmonkie | prefdave: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12260_na/12260_na.HTML ... grep for lightscribe .. smartguy, do those kind of comments support in any way the idea that hp is willing to support lightscribe in linux ? obviously not .. |
| 21:27.51 | Ungy | abrotman my brain doesn;t work half the time so that is ok |
| 21:28.02 | Ungy | and I love the ; instead of the ' key |
| 21:28.22 | MattGideon | gdbmonkie: What do you recommend I do about my upgrade to sarge? Should I try to force things? |
| 21:28.24 | gdbmonkie | it's windows only .. on a linux workstation sales site, meaning , buy this system .. and the lightscribe drive.. but it only works in windows ... they're idiots |
| 21:28.36 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: *shrug* It shows that they don't currently. Maybe they don't think there's demand. If they thought they'd sell more drives by writing Linux drivers, they'd do it. |
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| 21:28.47 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: I wouldnt .. I'd reinstall just sarge.. not upgrade |
| 21:29.09 | Ungy | I hate these damned desk keyboard slides man I am a big guy these things just cause me damned problems when I type |
| 21:29.13 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: I'm sure sending them an e-mail and asking won't do any harm, it will at least let them know that there is demand for support for lightscribe on Linux. |
| 21:29.18 | MattGideon | I can only upgrade |
| 21:29.32 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: And it's better than getting your arse sued for patent violation. |
| 21:29.38 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: even in a place where they're trying to sell linux systems, they say in plain words.. we dont support lightscribe in linux .. but they offer the option to have it installed ... 0_o, they've already looked at the issue and choosen against supporting it for one reason or another |
| 21:30.00 | gdbmonkie | Perfdave: it's a waste of time, and was a stupid idea.. no offense |
| 21:30.05 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: So try to convince them. If you don't even bother to e-mail them, they're obviously not going to change their minds. |
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| 21:30.05 | win_DoubleHP | pluggie: yes .... but testdisk fails because a void partition has been created close by, but not formatted, so that files are still safe. |
| 21:30.11 | win_DoubleHP | a Reisorfs partition has been deleted. testdisk can find the location of partition, but not list the files in it: which other tool can track for files ? |
| 21:30.17 | ice_1963 | is there some one in here good with cup's i have a hp printer photosmart7350 it will not work Help :0) |
| 21:30.21 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: Oh yeah, because your time is obviously so fucking precious that you're wasting it in arguments on IRC :) |
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| 21:30.59 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: two different objectives.. I acomplished one, proving you wrong |
| 21:31.19 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: Uhm, no, you're just full of shit ;) |
| 21:31.20 | MattGideon | gdbmonkie: I only have one machine |
| 21:31.48 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: I think you are.. spewing out useless advice without knowing what you're talking about .. |
| 21:32.06 | Ungy | can't we all just get along |
| 21:32.10 | gdbmonkie | Mattgideon: download sarge cd's .. reinstall , or do a net install |
| 21:32.23 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: That's nice for you. I hope it helps you sleep at night. My advice was very useful, you just chose to ignore it. |
| 21:32.39 | MattGideon | gdbmonkie: Just ingore Perf |
| 21:32.42 | gdbmonkie | I just wish people who dont have a clue, would keep their pretty little mouths shut .. instead of bothering me with obvious advice |
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| 21:32.56 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: I have many clues, but thank you for noticing that my mouth is pretty :) |
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| 21:33.13 | gdbmonkie | 'try emailing em .. " uh duh .. isnt that the first option ? I tried getting a license for the technology .. obviously ASKING for freaking support was my first step |
| 21:33.21 | Meltir | hi ppl. im having trouble running mysql (the default 4.0 package from debian) |
| 21:33.25 | gdbmonkie | he's too bright.. |
| 21:33.46 | MattGideon | You are flogging a dead horse gdb |
| 21:33.47 | Ungy | Meltir and the problem is? |
| 21:33.53 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: true. |
| 21:34.03 | lamp_ | i have some problems with the nvidia installer i must run nvidia installer each time i reboot my systeem because otherwise my gdm will not start |
| 21:34.03 | Meltir | gimme a sec, ill post the error |
| 21:34.07 | MattGideon | gdb: So can we talk about net install? |
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| 21:34.25 | Ungy | lamp_ #nvidia? |
| 21:34.31 | PerfDave | lamp_: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:34.38 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: And if you'd said "I've already contacted them and they won't license the technology to me", then that would have been the end of it. What you actually said is "perfdave: yeah good idea.. not" and "perfdave: why waste my energy", indicating that you hadn't and weren't going to. |
| 21:34.48 | Meltir | Ungy: http://phpfi.com/74226 |
| 21:34.52 | s_ward | No one said "please", but I think this is relevant... |
| 21:34.52 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: Obviously my advice was good advice, because you already did it. |
| 21:34.53 | s_ward | !please |
| 21:34.53 | dpkg | Do I look like an information bitch, s_ward? |
| 21:35.18 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: it was obvious .. hence insulting, cluebag |
| 21:35.22 | ice_1963 | ok so much for that hp printer |
| 21:35.36 | nkuttler | !comfort gdbmonkie |
| 21:35.36 | dpkg | There, there, gdbmonkie. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:35.45 | lamp_ | PerfDave, i can see that i should not use nvidia installer but when there is no prebuild package for my kernel image 2.6.12 |
| 21:35.49 | gdbmonkie | perfdave: if you cant say something useful, just shut up .. no answer, keep your mouth shut.. I see you giving out a lot of useless advice |
| 21:35.54 | PerfDave | lamp_: So build one with module-assistant |
| 21:35.56 | Ungy | Meltir does /etc/mysql/my.cnf exist? |
| 21:36.01 | ice_1963 | were do you go help ??? |
| 21:36.01 | _AsA | etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read --> change ce chmod or chown ;) |
| 21:36.01 | MattGideon | gdb: So can we talk about net install? |
| 21:36.02 | gdbmonkie | like the keyboard issue.. just shut up if you dont know |
| 21:36.08 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: sure |
| 21:36.16 | s_ward | gdbmonkie: Who else has given you advice? |
| 21:36.19 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: Obvious does not necessarily mean insulting, particularly when your attitude seems to be that HP will refuse to help you in any case. If you're as polite and charming when talking to HP as you are on IRC, no wonder they weren't interested in your proposal. |
| 21:36.20 | streuner | gdbmonkie: use ignore |
| 21:36.20 | s_ward | gdbmonkie: Be thankful |
| 21:36.22 | Ungy | _AsA was abtou tto say that if it existed |
| 21:36.23 | nkuttler | gdbmonkie: just ignore people who know less than you |
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| 21:36.32 | SimonRaven | gdbmonkie: might've been obvious to you, but some other person it coul've been inspirational. so please, stfukthx. |
| 21:36.32 | streuner | PerfDave: ignore is your friend |
| 21:36.40 | MattGideon | gdbmonkie: just ignore PerfDave |
| 21:36.42 | Meltir | nope - and its not causing the trouble. it was there before and my power died - mysql wouldnt start after that. tried to reconfigure, then purged the package and reinstalled it. |
| 21:36.53 | SimonRaven | and learn to spell monkey |
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| 21:37.24 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: you want sarge, it's really easy , you just update /etc/apt/apt.conf and then upgrade |
| 21:37.26 | sussudio | in soviet russia, monkey spells you |
| 21:37.40 | MattGideon | gdmonkie: upgrade is broken |
| 21:37.46 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:37.48 | PerfDave | gdbmonkie: I help people to the best of my ability. commodude28 asked whether Debian had a problem with USB keyboards, I pointed out that it didn't. He was unclear as to the relation between Knoppix and Debian, and I enlightened him. I provide information to people who need it :) |
| 21:38.19 | SimonRaven | "my iPenis is bigger than your iPenis" |
| 21:38.30 | streuner | haha |
| 21:38.33 | gdbmonkie | simonraven: mine is def bigger, hands down |
| 21:38.41 | gdbmonkie | he's a cluebag.. and then some |
| 21:38.49 | Ungy | SimonRaven, maybe but my iPenis has more storage space and is much faster then yours |
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| 21:38.54 | PerfDave | Yes, I have many bags, all full of clue :) |
| 21:39.25 | sussudio | did someone say e-penis? 23:39:05 up 311 days, 3:25, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
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| 21:39.36 | SimonRaven | sussudio: do they also type a lot? |
| 21:39.40 | gdbmonkie | bigger, figuratively and literally .. ha ha |
| 21:39.43 | Ungy | SimonRaven, even better mine has multiple interfaces so more then one user can be accomidated at one time |
| 21:39.44 | snail | PerfDave: yes, but only one clue is needed and it looks like someone missed the clue-train |
| 21:39.49 | PerfDave | streuner: 23:39:05 up THREE MILLION YEARS BIZNATCH, 3:25, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 21:39.51 | sussudio | :-| |
| 21:40.08 | sussudio | that pc really needs vacuuming. |
| 21:40.10 | PerfDave | My iPenis is so big it's got a load average of -20 |
| 21:40.11 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 21:40.19 | cr3 | which package contains the header files under /usr/include/X11? I tried dpkg -l '*xfree*' and I seem to have the two packages already installed (all except -dbg) |
| 21:40.42 | gdbmonkie | I think I just figured out a way to get-ir-done |
| 21:40.49 | Piggy | 23:40:28 up 262 days, 18:50, 12 users, load average: 0.09, 0.05, 0.07 |
| 21:40.51 | SimonRaven | try xlibs |
| 21:40.54 | Piggy | =:-B |
| 21:41.00 | gdbmonkie | I have the firmware image.. from hp, yeeehaw.. IDA pro is awsome |
| 21:41.13 | SimonRaven | xlibs-dev to be exact... that'll pull in the real stuff |
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| 21:41.42 | lamp_ | PerfDave, how can i remove my nvidia installer stuff |
| 21:42.05 | PerfDave | lamp_: I think you can probably just install the module-assistant stuff over the top. |
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| 21:42.29 | MattGideon | gdbmonkie: upgrade is broken because of dependency issues |
| 21:42.36 | SimonRaven | that's really over the top |
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| 21:42.48 | Samhob | hello please can someone help me i have jsut installed a very ligh system and now i have recompiled my kernel to 2.6.8 but now when bootgin i cant connect to the internet anymore , ic onnect to the internet using the lan , the ip is ok and i can ping my router , but i cant go to the web or anything , can someone help me ?? |
| 21:42.56 | Meltir | thx Ungy - it worked like a charm |
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| 21:43.01 | Ungy | np |
| 21:43.19 | nkuttler | Samhob: can you ping 216.239.57.99? |
| 21:43.21 | PerfDave | Samhob: Have you set your router's IP as the gateway in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 21:43.31 | Samhob | oh ill try |
| 21:43.46 | PerfDave | Samhob: If you're using DHCP, check that it's setting the gateway correctly with "route -n" |
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| 21:44.10 | Samhob | ow btw |
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| 21:44.25 | Samhob | afeter upadtign kernel i couldnt use dhclient anymore |
| 21:44.41 | Samhob | i added a "6" in the /sbin/dhclient and now it doenst give me erro but its works stramge.. |
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| 21:45.11 | Ungy | Samhob, and why did you decide to add a 6 |
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| 21:45.21 | gdbmonkie | gdbmonkie: download the sarge net install iso .. do a net install bro , very easy .. |
| 21:45.23 | Samhob | so dhclient doesnt really work |
| 21:45.23 | Samhob | and no , route -n doesnt find the gateway ( "0.0.0.0") |
| 21:45.31 | Samhob | i find so in the web .. |
| 21:45.41 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: download the sarge net install iso .. do a net install bro , very easy .. |
| 21:45.41 | cr3 | SimonRaven: thanks, xlibs-dev did the trick |
| 21:45.43 | PerfDave | Samhob: It's possible that you messed something up in your kernel configuration, if that's the thing that's changed. What did you do to dhclient exactly? |
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| 21:45.54 | MattGideon | How big is the iso file? |
| 21:46.07 | PerfDave | Samhob: Also, why are you running dhclient by hand? You should just need to specify dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces and it'll run dhclient for you on boot. |
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| 21:46.53 | s_ward | MattGideon: ~100MB |
| 21:47.04 | MattGideon | Will I lose the settings in my current setup? |
| 21:47.37 | Samhob | yes but dhclient doesnt work |
| 21:47.39 | streuner | MattGideon: what stops you the save the file? |
| 21:47.56 | MattGideon | streuner: what? |
| 21:48.01 | Samhob | i followed this : www.yak.net/fqa/398.html - |
| 21:48.02 | nkuttler | Samhob: use your old, working kernel |
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| 21:48.06 | PerfDave | Samhob: So you've specified DHCP In /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:48.21 | Samhob | lol use 2.2 ? no pleaseee |
| 21:48.31 | Samhob | its already done.. |
| 21:48.35 | Samhob | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:48.57 | Samhob | created during debian installation |
| 21:49.00 | PerfDave | Samhob: Uhm, that's quite old by the look of it, it's talking about kernel 2.6.0; Debian 3.1's dhclient works just fine with 2.6 kernels. |
| 21:49.07 | nkuttler | Samhob: do you use an official 2.6 package? |
| 21:49.07 | PerfDave | Samhob: OK, that's a "yes" then ;) |
| 21:49.25 | PerfDave | Samhob: I suspect you've screwed something up when compiling your own kernel. Why not just use a Debian-provided kernel image? |
| 21:49.28 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: you'll lose everything, it'll format the drive |
| 21:49.33 | Samhob | my own compiled kernel.. |
| 21:49.40 | MattGideon | Uugh |
| 21:49.46 | nkuttler | Samhob: do what PerfDave said |
| 21:49.47 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: backup.. reinstall with sarge net install iso .. very simple = |
| 21:49.51 | Samhob | because its an old pc ,m i would like to light it |
| 21:50.05 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: prob not tthe answer you're looking for, but until they fix the upgrade bugs.. you're S.O.L without just reinstalling |
| 21:50.07 | PerfDave | nkuttler: Debian kernels are modular, they're very light. |
| 21:50.08 | MattGideon | Not simple at all. I would have to reconfigure my ISP my modem everything |
| 21:50.19 | PerfDave | Samhob: Debian kernels are modular, they're very light. |
| 21:50.33 | PerfDave | Samhob: I use Debian-provided kernel-images on my 486 :) |
| 21:50.51 | yoo | Hi !! |
| 21:50.51 | Samhob | :( |
| 21:50.56 | Samhob | yeah maybe. |
| 21:51.09 | PerfDave | Samhob: It's the easiest solution to your problem ;) |
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| 21:51.18 | Samhob | so my dhclient is old.. |
| 21:51.25 | Samhob | i have done update o testing recently.. |
| 21:51.29 | PerfDave | Samhob: Why do you think your dhclient is old? |
| 21:51.31 | SimonRaven | it's not like you have to load all the modules... they take up a fair amount of room on-disk though, that's where they aren't light |
| 21:51.41 | yoo | i have two apache in my system ( i use unstable) apache and apache2 |
| 21:51.43 | PerfDave | SimonRaven: Still smaller than a kernel source though ;) |
| 21:51.48 | SimonRaven | sure |
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| 21:51.56 | Samhob | but tell me , even if i configure my ips manually internet doenstr work.. |
| 21:51.56 | yoo | Can i erase one of them without risk ? |
| 21:52.03 | Samhob | how can i add this route ting . |
| 21:52.07 | PerfDave | Samhob: man route |
| 21:52.15 | Samhob | thx |
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| 21:52.31 | PerfDave | Samhob: But I suspect you've screwed something up during your manual kernel compile. It's hard to say exactly what, but really, sticking with Debian-provided kernel-image packages is your best option. |
| 21:52.57 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: well , it's your only option ... |
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| 21:53.18 | Samhob | hm ok.. |
| 21:53.21 | Samhob | thanks for helping :) |
| 21:53.22 | MattGideon | gdb: Do you think the maintainers are working on the dependency problems? How long before they have a fix? |
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| 21:53.29 | PerfDave | Samhob: No worries. |
| 21:53.30 | Phantazm | anyone know what this error could be? |
| 21:53.41 | Phantazm | i just installed 3 debian sarge. on none of the the user crontab is working |
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| 21:53.47 | lamp_ | PerfDave: Now my nvidia doesn't work at all |
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| 21:53.48 | gdbmonkie | mattgideon: wouldnt hold my breathe waiting, backup your config files, replace them after reinstall.. go for it , is my advice |
| 21:53.54 | PerfDave | MattGideon: Now Sarge is released, the only fixes that will be made to it are security fixes. |
| 21:53.57 | madmax | hello |
| 21:53.57 | x-Al1gma | hello madmax |
| 21:54.04 | PerfDave | lamp_: OK, what did you do, and what errors are you getting? |
| 21:54.08 | BourneAgain | I can not get snoop to work with ssh. I followed the instructions. I get an error trying to login remotely using ssh after I configure it. |
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| 21:54.21 | madmax | can anyone tell me how i can apply an *.patch file to a specific *.h file? |
| 21:54.31 | ice_1963 | ya thanks for helping |
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| 21:54.39 | ice_1963 | pl |
| 21:55.00 | MattGideon | Perf: You are saying they will not fix upgrade problems |
| 21:55.02 | BourneAgain | Is there a compatibility issue with ttysnoop and the latest debian kernels for ssh? |
| 21:55.12 | BourneAgain | latest stable that is |
| 21:55.26 | brett_ | madmax, just a guess but patch *.patch *.h |
| 21:55.27 | PerfDave | BourneAgain: Doubt it, it'll probably be on the BTS if it is. |
| 21:55.42 | win_DoubleHP | a Reisorfs partition has been deleted. testdisk can find the location of partition, but not list the files in it: which other tool can track for files ? |
| 21:55.56 | PerfDave | MattGideon: I wouldn't expect them to do so, just to document them in the release notes like they do with all non-critical bugs. |
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| 21:55.59 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: Yeah, I followed some retailed instructions, but it did not work for me. Pretty wierd. |
| 21:56.31 | MattGideon | Upgrade is a feature. It is broken. Sounds pretty critical to me |
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| 21:57.00 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: I used dpkg-divert, was this required? |
| 21:57.19 | PerfDave | MattGideon: It's not a security feature, and it's not actually broken. You've already said that you didn't read the release notes before upgrading. |
| 21:57.28 | PerfDave | BourneAgain: To install ttysnoop? Shouldn't be, on Sarge. |
| 21:57.41 | MattGideon | I did not read the manual. The release notes do not cover it |
| 21:57.59 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: How do I get it working. I read the manual several times. Has me baffled. |
| 21:58.18 | BourneAgain | I will try some stuff before I ask. |
| 21:58.23 | PerfDave | BourneAgain: When did you use dpkg-divert, exactly? That's to do with installation, not running. |
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| 21:58.51 | PerfDave | MattGideon: Do not cover what? You've repeatedly failed to actually provide any information on what's wrong with your upgrade, despite being asked several times. |
| 21:59.10 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: I undid it all. Pack to first base. |
| 21:59.13 | MattGideon | Wrong |
| 21:59.35 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: I used it at the very beginning. |
| 21:59.51 | BourneAgain | Then I moved the login file |
| 21:59.58 | PerfDave | BourneAgain: At what very beginning? I just installed ttysnoop on a Sarge system and it didn't require dpkg-divert at all. |
| 22:00.12 | jnymomo | hi guys |
| 22:00.16 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: Thanks :) |
| 22:00.20 | jnymomo | big question |
| 22:00.32 | jnymomo | I'm getting this error: |
| 22:00.40 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: I will continue following the simple instructions. |
| 22:00.48 | jnymomo | Pivot_root: no such file or directory |
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| 22:01.14 | jnymomo | cannot open dev/consoles no such file |
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| 22:02.17 | jnymomo | what caused it is that i installed debian on an external usb hdd |
| 22:02.33 | donw_ | Anyone have good pointers to burning data DVDs under Linux? I've no problem with burning CDs, but every data DVD I've tried to burn ends up a drink coaster... |
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| 22:02.53 | jnymomo | everything installed great, untill i rebooted |
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| 22:03.21 | s_ward | SimonRaven: He's more fortunate than I was then, I got a blank screen when I missed out the initrd image :) |
| 22:03.27 | jnymomo | is there a grub command to make sure its directed towards my external usb hdd? |
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| 22:04.43 | masoft | I used IPTABLES to redirect all the packets for port 80 to 3128 (for Squid). now I want to Masquerade another ports (except 80) to device ppp0, but I didn't find a parameter like --dport for it. what's its parameter ? |
| 22:04.54 | Phantazm | does all your user crontab work fellas? i've installed sarge on 3 diffrent machines with diffrent hardware and with diffrent options.. crontab doesnt work anyhow :( |
| 22:05.34 | SimonRaven | masoft: man iptables |
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| 22:05.45 | masoft | SimonRaven, I did !!! |
| 22:05.57 | blambi | Anyone who nows howto install debian on a Acer Ferrari 3400? |
| 22:05.57 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to run a linux program in a sandbox? e.g. the opposite of sudo: disable sockets, disable read/write to certain folders, etc? |
| 22:06.10 | SimonRaven | no you didn't, otherwise you would've seen that it does exist |
| 22:07.04 | q8linux | i installed gnome-desktop via apt-get. but when i type startx (command not found) |
| 22:07.38 | masoft | SimonRaven, if you don't know the answer, don't make me (and yourself) busy ! |
| 22:07.45 | BourneAgain | Perfmon: Thanks for you help. I forgot to add it to the telnet daemon the first time. Hopefully it will work now. |
| 22:07.52 | sporkbomb | q8linux: did you apt-get install x-window-system? |
| 22:08.05 | SimonRaven | what kind of reply is that? |
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| 22:08.11 | SerajewelKS | !fgi masoft iptables masquerade |
| 22:08.11 | dpkg | masoft: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=iptables masquerade |
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| 22:08.19 | SerajewelKS | !fgi masoft iptables+masquerade |
| 22:08.19 | dpkg | masoft: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=iptables+masquerade |
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| 22:08.24 | q8linux | nope.. let me install it. |
| 22:08.26 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 22:08.36 | SimonRaven | should've done that a long time ago |
| 22:08.45 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven, =) |
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| 22:08.58 | masoft | SerajewelKS, I khow how to masquerade, but how can I set port ? |
| 22:09.07 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: Thanks for your help. I forgot to add something to the daemon startup file I think. |
| 22:09.09 | SerajewelKS | masoft, set what port? |
| 22:09.22 | masoft | SerajewelKS, did you read my question ?!?! |
| 22:09.35 | SerajewelKS | masoft, yes. you didn't specify which port. the inbound? outbound? |
| 22:10.19 | masoft | SerajewelKS, I want to masquerade all the packets except those the DestinationPort is 80 |
| 22:11.02 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 22:11.15 | SerajewelKS | masoft, masquerade all ports, and make sure that the rule to DNAT port 80 appears before it |
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| 22:12.07 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to sandbox a program without user-mode linux? |
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| 22:12.31 | SimonRaven | chroot ;) |
| 22:12.37 | SerajewelKS | *cough* |
| 22:12.40 | stew | xen |
| 22:12.40 | SerajewelKS | specifically for sockets =P |
| 22:12.43 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 22:12.56 | JViz | i want to install postgresql 8.0, but it seems to be a seperate package than postgresql, if i install it, will it properly replace postgresql in the package dependency tree? |
| 22:13.01 | SerajewelKS | stew, a VMM is overkill... ;) |
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| 22:13.12 | ExFseeE | hello everyone |
| 22:13.30 | stew | SerajewelKS: if you think its overkill then chroot is what you are looking for |
| 22:13.44 | SerajewelKS | stew, chroot doesn't restrict access to network sockets |
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| 22:14.23 | sabster | I'm trying to play a .MP4 video file encoded with ffmpegx in x264 and AAC(AC-3) audio. Neither Mplayer nor VLC will play it. Has anyone had any luck with these files? |
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| 22:15.04 | stew | SerajewelKS: then you want xen or uml |
| 22:15.11 | SerajewelKS | i suppose i could write a preload library that fails on connect()... |
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| 22:16.14 | beardy | !tell sabster about marillat |
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| 22:16.28 | beardy | sabster: You were told about that earlier wasn't you? |
| 22:17.04 | ExFseeE | my screen is way to be and i don't have any smaller resolution any help would be great |
| 22:17.07 | sabster | beardy: I am 100% sure that VLC and mplayer have built-in support, so I didn't really believe the answer that i need w32 codecs |
| 22:17.10 | ExFseeE | be=big |
| 22:17.21 | novellino | i have a problem with adsl configuration |
| 22:17.47 | novellino | i have a aethra starmodem eagleII based |
| 22:18.04 | sabster | x264 is OSS |
| 22:18.15 | novellino | all modules seem to be correctly installed |
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| 22:18.48 | novellino | bur after "startadsl" system is still |
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| 22:19.06 | blambi | If my screen gows blank before the installer start's what migth be wrong? |
| 22:19.32 | DoppelGanger | the world could be ending |
| 22:19.49 | blambi | DoppelGanger: ye sound posiable ;) |
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| 22:21.16 | kingtux | does anyone have expericence with linux nis clients in a solaris nis env |
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| 22:21.25 | co-seep | hi alll |
| 22:21.29 | eeyore- | kingtux: nis or nis+ |
| 22:21.33 | kingtux | nis |
| 22:21.41 | lildude | loardy debain has 14 cds hope all work when burned |
| 22:21.41 | eeyore- | kingtux: we use it all the time |
| 22:21.52 | kingtux | which distro |
| 22:21.53 | kingtux | ?? |
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| 22:22.06 | eeyore- | kingtux: different. redhat 7.2, enterprise, debian, gentoo ... |
| 22:22.07 | lildude | maxell cd warning that brand are 10 dead in25 cds |
| 22:22.13 | kingtux | it works well |
| 22:22.21 | eeyore- | kingtux: reasonably |
| 22:22.32 | lildude | kintux what works? |
| 22:22.36 | kingtux | do u have solaris as masters?? |
| 22:22.40 | eeyore- | kingtux: discarding the issues of overlapping/duplicate groups |
| 22:22.59 | SimonRaven | ugh, nis |
| 22:23.03 | kingtux | i would think their is uid/gid problem |
| 22:23.07 | eeyore- | kingtux: in some places, yeah. but generally it's ldap->local nis/slave nis |
| 22:23.58 | lildude | so much errors were is wirles list of cards working |
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| 22:25.07 | beardy | sabster: Then your file that you are trying to watch is broken, if you are sure it should have worked. |
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| 22:27.19 | co-seep | hi all |
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| 22:27.35 | co-seep | how set proxy to ubuntu |
| 22:27.57 | nkuttler | co-seep: set proxy to ubuntu? |
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| 22:28.15 | co-seep | i need begin |
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| 22:28.35 | nkuttler | co-seep: what country are you from? |
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| 22:29.24 | idiot | hey, i'm in trouble. i wanna download many files from one directory with a linux ftp. what can i do? |
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| 22:29.46 | streuner | nkuttler: PT. TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA |
| 22:29.49 | Wyzard | idiot: wget's recursive mode maybe? |
| 22:30.04 | benh | SimonRaven: yah, he's still around, benh__ |
| 22:30.08 | benh | (which btw, I also registered) |
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| 22:30.19 | idiot | Wyzard: how? |
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| 22:30.33 | nkuttler | streuner: hm, do they speak... indonesian? |
| 22:30.44 | SimonRaven | benh: good thing you did :) |
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| 22:30.51 | Wyzard | idiot: Point it at whatever page has links to all the files you want, probably a directory index page |
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| 22:31.10 | idiot | i'm in text mode |
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| 22:31.24 | benh | SimonRaven: he has some kind of auto-join :) when I kick him on benh__, he re-joins on benh_ :) |
| 22:31.26 | nkuttler | idiot: wget can do that, maybe ncftp can handle * |
| 22:31.26 | streuner | nkuttler: Amtssprache Bahasa Indonesia |
| 22:31.31 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 22:31.38 | benh | SimonRaven: too bad, I have all of them registered (maybe I should register benh___ too while I'm at it !) |
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| 22:31.47 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 22:31.51 | SwissToni | Hi all. Firstly, I'm a newbie so please excuse my ignorance with Debian or Linux for that matter. I'm trying to install PHP4 and MySQL on a virtual server running on Debian but I keep getting error messages. |
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| 22:32.24 | nkuttler | SwissToni: what errors? |
| 22:33.06 | SwissToni | For instance, when I try to install PHP4 apt-get it gives me a 404 error about one file. I can see there is a newer version available of that file than the one it tries to download. |
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| 22:33.25 | nkuttler | SwissToni: try apt-get update |
| 22:33.27 | kelv | SwissToni, apt-get update |
| 22:33.38 | kelv | SwissToni, (as the error message already explains) |
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| 22:34.07 | SwissToni | Yeah, I guess I fall into the category "do first, read the instructions later" :D |
| 22:34.10 | SimonRaven | teheehee |
| 22:34.41 | benh | one more registered |
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| 22:34.45 | benh | that should be enough |
| 22:35.02 | SimonRaven | pulling out the big guns |
| 22:35.35 | mwilson | hm |
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| 22:36.06 | SwissToni | Excellent. Thanks, guys! |
| 22:36.12 | benh | benh_: can you stop that please or should I install bots on all my nicks .... |
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| 22:36.47 | benh | SimonRaven: he has an auto-reconnect |
| 22:37.10 | SimonRaven | yeh, but i meant for you ;) |
| 22:37.20 | SimonRaven | put eggdrops on the nicks =) |
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| 22:37.34 | SimonRaven | might as well go for all-out war |
| 22:37.36 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 22:37.48 | benh | nah, I'll stay polite a bit longer |
| 22:37.55 | SimonRaven | sure |
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| 22:38.46 | sess | I installed webmin and some modules, this somehow removed all external access to my web/samba server, I've removed webmin and all its modules, however, the access hasn't been restored. I checked my Iptables, and they're still set to allow all connections. Does anyone have any ideas of what else I should check? I can't figure out for the life of me what would be blocking all incomming traffic on my box |
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| 22:40.11 | nkuttler | sess: checked the logfiles as well? |
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| 22:40.25 | cddesjar2 | here's a silly question...but i haven't done it for so long...how do i set up a dual boot with windows xp? do i install windows first then debian, or vice versa |
| 22:40.42 | granden | windows first |
| 22:40.48 | granden | easiest |
| 22:40.48 | sess | I checked /var/log/messages and syslog, nothing that shows any connections being blocked (I was hoping the daemon name in the log would be a clue, but nothing) |
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| 22:41.01 | sess | whatever this is, it must be creating its own log file. |
| 22:41.03 | granden | it worksthe other way arround as well but not as easy as windows then linux |
| 22:41.27 | nkuttler | sess: the apache and samba logfiles show nothing? |
| 22:42.34 | sess | nkuttler: here's the thing, I can't even SSH into the box or see my box's web page. These features were present before I installed webmin and the modules. |
| 22:42.45 | sess | Ill look at the apache logs real quick |
| 22:43.14 | happy_broccoli | i transfered the actual files from a 4.0 to a 4.1 and i lost all timestamp data. anyone know why? |
| 22:43.41 | nkuttler | sess: maybe the daemons were stopped, config changed, /etc/hosts.allow etc |
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| 22:44.16 | Zizou | # Appears as XENO |
| 22:44.28 | sess | nkuttler: they still seem to work locally |
| 22:44.42 | MattGideon | I am getting a perl relocation error when I do "aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 22:44.45 | sess | I can view teh web page on teh box using the address, and I can ssh to localhost on teh box |
| 22:44.54 | idnar | wow, haven't seen an MS Comic Chat user in *ages* |
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| 22:45.18 | sess | and on the local network |
| 22:45.28 | sess | just not from outside my 192. subnet |
| 22:45.32 | MattGideon | I can try to put the full output on #flood |
| 22:45.43 | Rawplayer | idnar: where |
| 22:45.49 | Rawplayer | do they run in the wild? |
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| 22:46.31 | idnar | Rawplayer: well, that "# Appears as FOO" stuff is MS Comic Chat |
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| 22:46.53 | idnar | if I'm not mistaken |
| 22:47.01 | xbmodder | hey |
| 22:47.13 | xbmodder | did anyone here come to linuxpicn*x? |
| 22:48.30 | SwissToni | Installing MySQL package I get the following error message: "chage: can't open shadow password filedpkg: error processing /var/cache..." What does that mean? |
| 22:49.13 | sess | Anyone have any idea what software packages possibly installed or related to webmin might stop external access to my box? |
| 22:49.35 | sess | I've removed iptables, webmin, webmin-*, squid |
| 22:49.47 | sess | I don't have shorewall installed, so Im fresh outta ideas |
| 22:49.56 | nkuttler | sess: try iptables -L |
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| 22:50.06 | sess | I had, everything was allowed |
| 22:50.12 | sess | but I'ev since removed iptables using apt |
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| 22:50.31 | MattGideon | Did you reboot sess? |
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| 22:50.44 | sess | not after removing iptables and squid |
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| 22:50.55 | sess | but yes, after removing webmin and usermin and webmin* |
| 22:51.07 | sess | I thought that shutting down the services would be enough |
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| 22:52.17 | MattGideon | sess: FWIW I would suggest a reboot. I am not a Debian expert though |
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| 22:52.51 | phogg | rebooting... never helps |
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| 22:53.08 | aqua | anyone know why all control panel software uses exim for email |
| 22:53.21 | nkuttler | phogg: ever used windows? :) |
| 22:53.34 | masoft | aqua, not all ! ISPConfig is an example |
| 22:53.35 | s_ward | aqua: For Debian? Possibly because Exim's the default |
| 22:53.44 | phogg | If you forgot to flush all tables before removing iptables then you could still be firewalled |
| 22:53.57 | phogg | nkuttler: I mean on real systems |
| 22:54.10 | aqua | phogg; iptables has nothing todo with the running firewall |
| 22:54.16 | aqua | so id imagine the firewall stays in place |
| 22:54.21 | phogg | nkuttler: specifically, I've never had a problem in Debian which was helped by rebooting. |
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| 22:54.34 | aqua | phogg; iptables is just an interface to the kernel netfilter framework |
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| 22:54.41 | phogg | aqua: yeah, like I said if he removed iptables but forgot to flush the rules he's still firewalled |
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| 22:54.54 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 22:55.03 | masoft | aqua, so after restart everything going fine :D |
| 22:55.03 | SwissToni | Why is sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returning an error code (1) when I try to install MySQL server? It says something about not being able to open shadow password. |
| 22:55.11 | phogg | aqua: unless of course he happened to have no rules in place, which is why I said "could" |
| 22:55.16 | aqua | never heard of ISPConfig |
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| 22:55.26 | Mardus | X question: when I quit twm, it looks like X is restarting. How to shut off X so that it wouldn't start again? Ctrl+Alt+Backspace doesn't help much. |
| 22:55.30 | Mrdini | hmm, writing a script to automate a certain app...... the app reads from a text file. now, can I somehow do away with the text file, & pipe(?) the contents of the "text file" directly on the CLI? |
| 22:55.48 | nkuttler | SwissToni: what is the exact error? |
| 22:55.53 | Mrdini | (as don't want to have to create a text file JUST to import into the app |
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| 22:56.08 | YaleR | Mardus, are you using like... a dm? |
| 22:56.13 | Mrdini | dm? |
| 22:56.19 | YaleR | like kdm or gdm? |
| 22:56.22 | Mrdini | oh, nm, not me |
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| 22:56.27 | phogg | Mrdini: probably. |
| 22:56.41 | Mardus | YalreR: kdm or xdm. Either of these. |
| 22:56.50 | Mardus | * YaleR: kdm or xdm |
| 22:56.58 | Mardus | YaleR: Or both |
| 22:57.00 | SwissToni | nkuttler: chage: can't open shadow password filedpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server_4.0.24-10_i386.deb (--unpack) |
| 22:57.03 | YaleR | kill their processes, and try ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 22:57.09 | Mardus | Oh... |
| 22:57.12 | Mardus | Ok... |
| 22:57.20 | abrotman | atolibot: hi |
| 22:57.27 | Mrdini | fog, any suggestions then? or d'ya mean I'd probably need to create the text file? :/ |
| 22:57.29 | atolibot | hiya :) |
| 22:57.30 | phogg | Mrdini: most programs allwo you to | appname [-] instead of using a file. Some don't, some can't. |
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| 22:57.37 | abrotman | atolibot: just making sure :) |
| 22:57.42 | atolibot | np |
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| 22:57.50 | Mrdini | fog, hmmm.... dealing with the chpasswd app.... |
| 22:58.10 | Mrdini | don't think there's a switch to alllow me to pass it stuff from the CLI, only STDIN |
| 22:58.13 | phogg | Mrdini: chpasswd does allow it |
| 22:58.16 | MarcelloDebian27 | anybody can speak what command utilize before begin method text in Debian 3.1? |
| 22:58.21 | nkuttler | SwissToni: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ has the scripts, look what command fails |
| 22:58.37 | Mrdini | phogg, sure? I just tried & no joy? |
| 22:58.42 | phogg | Mrdinias in this function I wrote today: rand_pass() { NEWPASS=$(tr -c -d 'a-zA-Z0-9' < /dev/urandom | head -c $2) ; echo -en "$1:$NEWPASS\n" | /usr/sbin/chpasswd && echo $NEWPASS ; } |
| 22:58.49 | Mardus | YaleR: I killed xdm from top... Looks like it worked. Thanks. |
| 22:58.56 | YaleR | np |
| 22:58.56 | SwissToni | nkuttler: OK. How would I see that? |
| 22:59.01 | stew | !portugues |
| 22:59.10 | nkuttler | SwissToni: add 'set -x' at the top |
| 22:59.11 | stew | !br |
| 22:59.11 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:59.49 | Mrdini | phogg, sweet :) coindence that you'd be messing with chpasswd as well :) |
| 23:00.04 | aqua | wow |
| 23:00.06 | YaleR | anyone know why a cd wouldn't mount in a DVD reader? I'm getting I/O errors |
| 23:00.18 | abrotman | cd is scratched ? |
| 23:00.18 | phogg | YaleR: bad disc? |
| 23:00.25 | YaleR | phogg, tried 2 |
| 23:00.27 | beardy | YaleR: The cd is bad? |
| 23:00.28 | nkuttler | YaleR: audio cd? |
| 23:00.30 | YaleR | yes |
| 23:00.33 | YaleR | audio |
| 23:00.37 | phogg | YaleR: audio cds don't mount |
| 23:00.43 | beardy | YaleR: You can't mout an audio cd. |
| 23:00.44 | YaleR | well that explains it. |
| 23:00.45 | nkuttler | YaleR: /msg dpkg faq |
| 23:00.48 | abrotman | phogg: they do .. but not to play them :) |
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| 23:01.01 | YaleR | anyone know how to play an audio cd in mplayer :/ |
| 23:01.06 | phogg | abrotman: what do you get if you mount them? |
| 23:01.09 | abrotman | just play the device |
| 23:01.12 | YaleR | ah |
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| 23:01.13 | abrotman | phogg: poop :) |
| 23:01.14 | phogg | YaleR: mplayer /device |
| 23:01.15 | beardy | YaleR: mplayer /dev/cdrom |
| 23:01.32 | phogg | abrotman: ah, that's been my experience as well :) |
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| 23:01.56 | CT-71 | hi |
| 23:02.00 | Mrdini | phogg, btw what language's that? I can get the gist, yeah, just curious as it doesn't look like perl or php |
| 23:02.05 | aqua | ispconfig looks cool |
| 23:02.05 | abrotman | phogg: they still mount though .. or usually do |
| 23:02.06 | YaleR | well that didn't seem to work out very well :/ |
| 23:02.16 | abrotman | Mrdini: looks like english to me |
| 23:02.24 | CT-71 | dropping all incoming SYN packets is good right |
| 23:02.28 | CT-71 | i did that |
| 23:02.29 | phogg | aqua: what is ispconfig? |
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| 23:02.42 | Mrdini | abrot, ..... :P |
| 23:02.44 | usernameDeb02 | so me debianMates.. |
| 23:02.45 | CT-71 | and put it in my init config file |
| 23:02.49 | phogg | Mrdini: its bash |
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| 23:03.01 | phogg | Mrdini: it may also be sh, but I can't be bothered to test it |
| 23:03.01 | CT-71 | does debian come with FLuxBOx? |
| 23:03.04 | usernameDeb02 | what is equivilent of hardware browser in sarge pleasa |
| 23:03.06 | Mrdini | phogg, ah - wasn't aware shell script could do functions |
| 23:03.10 | nkuttler | CT-71: yes |
| 23:03.12 | Mrdini | scripts even |
| 23:03.12 | phogg | CT-71: debian comes with whatever you like, man |
| 23:03.14 | abrotman | CT-71: it has a fluxbox package |
| 23:03.21 | CT-71 | cool |
| 23:03.23 | abrotman | !info fluxbox sarge |
| 23:03.25 | dpkg | fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1sarge0 (sarge), Packaged size: 646 kB, Installed size: 2036 kB |
| 23:03.30 | aqua | phogg; control panel |
| 23:03.31 | CT-71 | what do i edit to make it my default? |
| 23:03.32 | beardy | CT-71: Not really. |
| 23:03.33 | phogg | Mrdini: they don't do it very well. |
| 23:03.33 | mwilson | CT-71: Is there something wrong with the shift key on your keyboard? |
| 23:03.37 | aqua | phogg; ispconfig.org |
| 23:03.38 | abrotman | usernameDeb02: lspci .. lsusb ? |
| 23:03.49 | usernameDeb02 | abrotman, thanks chap |
| 23:03.51 | beardy | that was meant to phogg , sorry |
| 23:03.57 | abrotman | i'm a chap .. |
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| 23:04.03 | Mrdini | phogg, ah heh :) anyway I'm sure I can "port" the relevant bits over to perl, so ta again :) |
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| 23:04.20 | CT-71 | cause GNOME is bloat |
| 23:04.22 | CT-71 | major |
| 23:04.24 | Epilog | hi there |
| 23:04.26 | aqua | so is kde |
| 23:04.32 | YaleR | kdebase <-- pwnage |
| 23:04.32 | CT-71 | yeah |
| 23:04.40 | *** part/#debian FieldySnuts (i=sgtphou@unaffiliated/fieldysnuts) |
| 23:04.51 | CT-71 | its just not big enough |
| 23:05.11 | CT-71 | has anyone tried bastille linux? |
| 23:05.22 | mwilson | !anyone |
| 23:05.22 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 23:05.24 | phogg | CT-71: not in a couple years |
| 23:05.31 | Epilog | after a dist-upgrade my gtk 1 fonts look really bad. the gtk2 seems to be fontconfig because I can use the font like Bitstream Vera Sans 8 but hte gtk1 only seems to accept bitmap fonts |
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| 23:05.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: still no ? |
| 23:05.41 | Epilog | were can I change this? |
| 23:05.43 | CT-71 | yeah bastille linux doesnt even work |
| 23:05.46 | gravity | Epilog: Known bug. |
| 23:05.47 | Guerin | Epilog: you can't |
| 23:05.48 | aqua | mwilson; he seems to by typing fine |
| 23:05.48 | mwilson | Epilog: Uh, yeah. GTK1 has never used fontconfig. |
| 23:05.54 | CT-71 | something wrong with script |
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| 23:06.05 | Guerin | Epilog: solution: don't use gtk1 apps |
| 23:06.10 | Epilog | gravity: they were kinda ok before |
| 23:06.22 | gravity | Epilog: It's an X.Org thing. I'd love to see a patch for the issue. |
| 23:06.22 | Epilog | Guerin: is there any thing besides that? |
| 23:06.25 | YaleR | anyone have any ideas why my audio cd wouldn't play :) |
| 23:06.27 | gravity | But I haven't had time to seriously investigate. |
| 23:06.36 | Epilog | :( |
| 23:06.44 | mwilson | gravity: Is it known what causes it? A configuration issue or a software bug? |
| 23:06.45 | Guerin | Epilog: you can tell it to use bitstream, etc. in a config file - but they still look like shit |
| 23:07.00 | usernameDeb02 | hmmm.. so no comprehensive hwbrowser for sarge eh?.. only individual utils like lsusb/lspci then? |
| 23:07.03 | beardy | YaleR: It has some ugly copy protection? |
| 23:07.11 | MattGideon | Could someone running the new lilo tell me what "install=/boot/boot.b" changes to? |
| 23:07.13 | gravity | mwilson: Software I think. I think the font selection got messed up, or so a bug reporter said. It's on my TODO list, but it's below working on 6.9 right now |
| 23:07.19 | YaleR | beardy, nah, still getting I/O problems I think |
| 23:07.19 | Epilog | Guerin: I can't almost see anything in xmule |
| 23:07.31 | mwilson | YaleR: Uh, you wouldn't just use one of the umpteen audio CD players because...? |
| 23:07.39 | gravity | Epilog: You can downgrade to xfree86 again |
| 23:07.41 | YaleR | umpteen? |
| 23:07.45 | gravity | Epilog: The gtk fonts should work there |
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| 23:07.52 | CT-71 | how is debian pronounced |
| 23:07.54 | CT-71 | dee bee an |
| 23:07.56 | CT-71 | or |
| 23:07.57 | abrotman | !pronounce debian |
| 23:07.58 | dpkg | debian is pronounced like Deb and like Ian. Deh-be-an |
| 23:08.00 | gravity | Alternately, you could debug the problem and send a patch to me so I can apply it |
| 23:08.01 | CT-71 | debby an |
| 23:08.08 | abrotman | deb - ian |
| 23:08.11 | abrotman | it's not hard |
| 23:08.34 | Xenguy | CT-71: emphasis on the 1st syllable |
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| 23:08.37 | Mardus | Hi again. |
| 23:08.39 | deadcat | CT-71: you pronouce anyway you like |
| 23:08.49 | mwilson | YaleR: I don't know why you'd expect mplayer to play an audio CD. |
| 23:08.53 | CT-71 | i like dee bee ann |
| 23:08.56 | CT-71 | hehe |
| 23:08.57 | Guerin | but if you pronounce it wrong we get to laugh at you |
| 23:09.01 | phogg | I've got this clip from geeks in space of the slashdot guys saying "Debian" a lot. It's cool. |
| 23:09.04 | YaleR | mwilson, because I don't have x...? |
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| 23:09.12 | zinx | DEE-BAIN |
| 23:09.12 | deadcat | CT-71: ok. so lets drop that topic |
| 23:09.16 | CT-71 | ok |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | CT-71: deh-bee-en |
| 23:09.19 | mwilson | YaleR: What does X have to do with playing an audio CD? |
| 23:09.20 | Epilog | gravity: so its s X.org bug and not gtk/config of mine problem? |
| 23:09.22 | abrotman | err an |
| 23:09.24 | Mardus | Now that X is shut off, I'd like to restart it. In place of tty7, there is just a line "INIT: version 2.84 reloading". How would it be possible to start X in tty7? |
| 23:09.24 | abrotman | whatever |
| 23:09.29 | abrotman | there's a wav somewhere :) |
| 23:09.29 | zinx | :P |
| 23:09.30 | gravity | Epilog: Right |
| 23:09.30 | PerfDave | No bain for you! |
| 23:09.30 | YaleR | mwilson, what should I use then? |
| 23:09.46 | mwilson | gravity: It's not just GTK, but you probably know that already. I noticed it in Athena apps like xmessage. |
| 23:09.47 | Epilog | gravity: is there any workaround? |
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| 23:09.50 | phogg | Mardus: just startx. It should do the right thing |
| 23:09.55 | gravity | mwilson: So I hear |
| 23:09.58 | gravity | Epilog: Not that I know of |
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| 23:10.04 | nkuttler | YaleR: there's cdcd iirc, maybe cplay as well |
| 23:10.13 | CT-71 | how come my ports are open how do i shut them??? |
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| 23:10.18 | Mardus | phogg: Oh well... |
| 23:10.19 | CT-71 | his makes no sense |
| 23:10.22 | CT-71 | this |
| 23:10.23 | gravity | No one has bothered to follow up on it and since I don't really use non-gtk2 apps often I'm not too motivated to bump it up on my TODO list priority |
| 23:10.29 | imango | hi every one...I tried to install amule on my debian 3.1, I have been told to install it using dpkg, but errors displayed "problem dependencies"...can you help please. |
| 23:10.31 | kelv | !pronounce whatever |
| 23:10.47 | phogg | imango: use aptitude! |
| 23:10.48 | YaleR | thanks nkuttler |
| 23:10.50 | mwilson | I just reworked my Athena resources to use a font that I liked. |
| 23:11.01 | CT-71 | how do i shut down services |
| 23:11.02 | mwilson | It wasn't really a big deal. It'll get fixed by and by. |
| 23:11.04 | phogg | imango: aptitude install amule |
| 23:11.09 | Mardus | phogg: It worked. Thanks. |
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| 23:11.17 | nkuttler | CT-71: /etc/init.d/foo stop ? |
| 23:11.19 | Krisso | i mount the cdrom as user and copy files down from it to my user home dir. after that the files are only readable.. not writeable. why is that? i didnt copy them as root, what do i have to change? |
| 23:11.28 | Epilog | mwilson: is there a font that I can use that would be ok in a gtk1 app? |
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| 23:11.39 | YaleR | ahh I just didn't have libcdaudio0 :D |
| 23:11.41 | mwilson | Epilog: Now, what kind of question is that? |
| 23:11.42 | YaleR | hawt piss |
| 23:11.44 | CT-71 | nkuttler do i replace the service with foo |
| 23:11.51 | beardy | Krisso: man chmod |
| 23:12.00 | nkuttler | CT-71: do you know tab completion? |
| 23:12.03 | mwilson | Why would you need that? |
| 23:12.08 | Krisso | beardy, i know how chmod works.. but why do i have to do it afterwards? |
| 23:12.15 | CT-71 | nkuttler no |
| 23:12.25 | aqua | would anyone here recommend exim4 over postfix or vice versa |
| 23:12.30 | nkuttler | CT-71: type /etc/init.d/<tab><tab> |
| 23:12.42 | beardy | Krisso: Because a cdrom is not writeable, and nor is the files stored on it. |
| 23:12.44 | Epilog | mwilson: the gtk1 font problem with X.org. They all look crappy, so is there a font htat doesn't look so crappy? |
| 23:12.51 | PerfDave | aqua: I'd recommend exim4 because it's installed by default and Just Works :) |
| 23:12.58 | Krisso | beardy, so theres no way around it? |
| 23:13.15 | daedalus_ | I'd recommend postfix because iut just works... and it's a lot older, iirc |
| 23:13.18 | CT-71 | tab tab |
| 23:13.19 | SerajewelKS | Krisso, wtf is wrong with doing chmod after... |
| 23:13.21 | daedalus_ | More support |
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| 23:13.24 | CT-71 | nkuttler.... |
| 23:13.26 | CT-71 | what |
| 23:13.30 | phogg | Krisso: write a script. Makt it do bith cp and chmod. Problem solved |
| 23:13.33 | nkuttler | CT-71: actually... _hit_ the tab key |
| 23:13.38 | CT-71 | ok |
| 23:13.40 | Krisso | phogg, will do. |
| 23:13.47 | beardy | Krisso: Just do a recursive chmod if there is a lot of files. |
| 23:13.51 | Krisso | SerajewelKS, nothing. was searching for a easier method. |
| 23:13.53 | MattGideon | Can someone with sarge check out a lilo thing for me? |
| 23:13.57 | CT-71 | nkuttler |
| 23:13.57 | CT-71 | ok |
| 23:13.59 | Krisso | yeah yeah.. |
| 23:14.01 | mwilson | Epilog: Your question is entirely subjective. What looks OK to me almost certainly doesn't to you. |
| 23:14.02 | CT-71 | it showed the dir |
| 23:14.04 | Krisso | sorry i asked :/ |
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| 23:14.34 | mwilson | YaleR: Why would you need some odd library to play an audio CD? |
| 23:14.36 | CT-71 | how can i stop all the services |
| 23:14.44 | Guerin | CT-71: shutdoown -h now |
| 23:14.48 | Guerin | s/oo/o/ |
| 23:15.00 | phogg | Krisso: I believe that is the #debian motto. "We'll fix your problem or you'll be sorry you asked." |
| 23:15.01 | CT-71 | >.> |
| 23:15.03 | CT-71 | <.< |
| 23:15.08 | deadcat | Guerin: you use use init 0 better than shutdown. (= |
| 23:15.23 | Guerin | deadcat: 6/half dozen |
| 23:15.27 | phogg | CT-71: you really don't want to stop all services |
| 23:15.32 | CT-71 | why not |
| 23:15.44 | nkuttler | !because |
| 23:15.44 | dpkg | Why? |
| 23:15.56 | Krisso | phogg, :) |
| 23:16.14 | CT-71 | well how do i shut the ones i dont want.... |
| 23:16.14 | deadcat | CT-71: if you dont want services running. dont fucking install all the shits. |
| 23:16.16 | phogg | CT-71: you probably don't realize it, but some of them are kinda useful |
| 23:16.25 | CT-71 | no |
| 23:16.28 | CT-71 | none are |
| 23:16.28 | abrotman | deadcat: ammodium a-d ? |
| 23:16.32 | abrotman | immodium |
| 23:16.42 | Guerin | !services |
| 23:16.43 | CT-71 | i dont want any services running at all |
| 23:16.43 | dpkg | methinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 23:16.44 | nkuttler | CT-71: which ones? |
| 23:16.48 | CT-71 | ssh |
| 23:16.49 | CT-71 | and |
| 23:16.50 | deadcat | CT-71: init 0 |
| 23:16.53 | Guerin | CT-71: so stop them all. Enjoy. |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | CT-71: dpkg-reconfigure ssh .. tell it you don't want a server running .. |
| 23:17.11 | CT-71 | ok |
| 23:17.16 | CT-71 | deadcat cut it |
| 23:17.27 | deadcat | CT-71: you cut it |
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| 23:17.35 | CT-71 | you |
| 23:17.40 | pluggie | btw why are ssh and sshd in the same package anyway? |
| 23:17.41 | YaleR | mwilson, I don't know. |
| 23:17.58 | abrotman | pluggie: most people run sshd .. i guess .. |
| 23:18.05 | deadcat | pluggie: ssh is a virtual pkg. there openssh-client and openssh-server now |
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| 23:18.19 | pluggie | deadcat ahh |
| 23:18.25 | abrotman | deadcat: oh there is now? |
| 23:18.25 | MattGideon | abrotman: Are you running sarge> |
| 23:18.26 | pluggie | when did that change happen |
| 23:18.27 | CT-71 | ssh |
| 23:18.36 | CT-71 | Secure SHell |
| 23:18.38 | deadcat | abrotman: ya. last time i was like "what the hell?" |
| 23:18.39 | abrotman | i missed that |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | MattGideon: yes |
| 23:18.52 | abrotman | deadcat: they've been glued forever :) |
| 23:19.00 | swim | anyone know if there are packages for mmpython available somewhere? |
| 23:19.00 | MattGideon | abrotman: Can you help me with lilo on sarge? |
| 23:19.10 | abrotman | MattGideon: install grub? |
| 23:19.13 | abrotman | MattGideon: ok .. what's up |
| 23:19.16 | abrotman | i can try |
| 23:19.17 | MattGideon | lol |
| 23:19.18 | deadcat | abrotman: ya.. this happened after sarge went stable. (= |
| 23:19.23 | pluggie | deadcat seems it only is in unstable |
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| 23:19.28 | CT-71 | wait how come i cant stop smtp and sunrpc? |
| 23:19.30 | abrotman | deadcat: oh .. so it's still one in sarge? |
| 23:19.34 | pluggie | not even in testing yet |
| 23:19.36 | CT-71 | and kpasswd |
| 23:19.37 | MattGideon | I think I need to update the install= line |
| 23:19.42 | abrotman | CT-71: apt-get --purge remove portmap |
| 23:19.47 | abrotman | the install line ? |
| 23:19.49 | CT-71 | no |
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| 23:19.53 | abrotman | no? |
| 23:19.55 | MattGideon | I think I need to update the install= line in lilo.conf |
| 23:19.58 | pluggie | the udeb version was split before sarge release mind you |
| 23:19.59 | abrotman | ok then .. don't |
| 23:20.03 | abrotman | MattGideon: yes .. i know what you mean |
| 23:20.12 | CT-71 | remove port map?? |
| 23:20.19 | deadcat | abrotman: i dont knw. i only use sid on my 2 machines. but i think stable is only ssh |
| 23:20.26 | BourneAgain | How can I list active SSH connections? |
| 23:20.26 | abrotman | MattGideon: i don't have lilo installed .. but what is the problem with lilo ? |
| 23:20.29 | MattGideon | "/boot/boot.b is the current value |
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| 23:20.34 | phogg | CT-71: do you know what portmap does? |
| 23:20.39 | CT-71 | nope |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | deadcat: seems that way |
| 23:20.49 | abrotman | MattGideon: that seems right to me |
| 23:20.51 | CT-71 | it doesnt sound good thats why im cautious |
| 23:20.52 | phogg | CT-71: then why do you care if it's removed? |
| 23:20.53 | MattGideon | Can you do "man lilo" and see if that should change? |
| 23:21.04 | CT-71 | umm how do i know its not critical |
| 23:21.11 | BourneAgain | Or a more general question, how can list out all active sessions. |
| 23:21.11 | abrotman | MattGideon: i don't have man pages either .. but i've NEVER touched that line |
| 23:21.12 | phogg | CT-71: nothing is critical |
| 23:21.14 | deadcat | CT-71: you read about it |
| 23:21.25 | MattGideon | Do you use grub normally? |
| 23:21.28 | CT-71 | im not uninstalling something i dont know about |
| 23:21.35 | phogg | CT-71: try this: man portmap |
| 23:21.40 | abrotman | MattGideon: i used lilo until sarge was released |
| 23:21.41 | CT-71 | i am |
| 23:21.48 | abrotman | MattGideon: so .. 5+ years ? |
| 23:22.07 | phogg | What is RPC even used for these days? |
| 23:22.17 | MattGideon | Did you use sarge before it was stable? |
| 23:22.20 | deadcat | phogg: nfs? nis? |
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| 23:22.35 | CT-71 | hehe ok this will work |
| 23:22.36 | abrotman | MattGideon: yes ... |
| 23:22.41 | abrotman | MattGideon: what is the problem you're having ? |
| 23:22.42 | phogg | deadcat: Obviosuly, yes. But is that it? |
| 23:22.43 | imango | phogg: aptitude is doing the same thin like synaptic, |
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| 23:22.59 | abrotman | phogg: famd uses it |
| 23:22.59 | deadcat | phogg: pretty much. |
| 23:22.59 | phogg | imango: that's because they're both APT front ends |
| 23:23.07 | abrotman | phogg: nfs/nis i think |
| 23:23.09 | MattGideon | Hmm. Sounds like I am okay then. I am installing sarge and it told me to update lilo.conf which got me worried |
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| 23:23.12 | granden | btdownloadcurses -minport=45000 -maxport=45030 name.torrent when I do that I do get too many args - 1 max |
| 23:23.20 | abrotman | MattGideon: why .. aren't you using grub ? |
| 23:23.30 | abrotman | granden: man btdownloadcurses ? |
| 23:23.41 | MattGideon | I use lilo |
| 23:23.42 | deadcat | granden: its --min... |
| 23:23.44 | BourneAgain | I feel extremely dumb, been looking on how to just list of active ssh sessions :( |
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| 23:23.54 | masoft | it's my error : checking lex output file root... ./configure: line 2422: lex: command not found |
| 23:23.54 | masoft | configure: error: cannot find output from lex; giving up ((Lex is in which package ?!?! )) |
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| 23:23.58 | CT-71 | what is the program for uninstalling |
| 23:24.01 | CT-71 | packages |
| 23:24.04 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 23:24.06 | imango | phogg: sorry to ask too many questions but "what is apt front end"? |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 23:24.12 | dpkg | [refcard] http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 23:24.13 | abrotman | CT-71: ^^ |
| 23:24.16 | deadcat | CT-71: you are one lazy dude |
| 23:24.21 | phogg | CT-71: aptitude, apt-get, synaptic, dpkg, rm |
| 23:24.27 | abrotman | phogg: not rm! |
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| 23:24.35 | CT-71 | abrotman isnt that not a GUI mode |
| 23:24.37 | slisk | i want to create a debian bootstrap in a direction on my x86 comp, for an arm platform. how do i this? |
| 23:24.37 | CT-71 | CLI |
| 23:24.44 | CT-71 | i need to see the packages |
| 23:24.48 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 23:24.57 | shingouz | abrotman: sunday again? |
| 23:25.00 | nkuttler | CT-71: try them and tell us |
| 23:25.06 | phogg | abrotman: it's not wise I'll admit |
| 23:25.08 | abrotman | shingouz: always? :) |
| 23:25.09 | slisk | is it possible to dl apt and or dpkg for my comp and then install the packages to another dir? |
| 23:25.17 | shingouz | abrotman: always. :( |
| 23:25.18 | phogg | abrotman: but it's such fun sometimes |
| 23:25.19 | mwilson | phogg: None of those are front-ends for apt-get. |
| 23:25.43 | shingouz | abrotman: listen to something relaxing like Rammstein |
| 23:25.48 | PerfDave | slisk: You can bootstrap from other Linux distributions using debootstrap or cdebootstrap, I can't remember which one is for non-Debian systems. |
| 23:25.56 | phogg | mwilson: apt-get isn't a front end for apt-get? Obviously! |
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| 23:26.13 | deadcat | CT-71: stop trying to be all"oh i want a fucking clean system. lite, only shits i know.." fucking learn debian before customizing it... moron |
| 23:26.26 | mwilson | phogg: <sigh> Neither are aptitude, synaptic, or anything else you mentioned. |
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| 23:26.30 | abrotman | shingouz: watching tv also :) |
| 23:26.35 | SpinX | i just installed debian, how can i get ip aliasing enabled.. |
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| 23:26.42 | CT-71 | deadcat not necessary |
| 23:26.47 | abrotman | SpinX: man interfaces |
| 23:26.48 | deadcat | CT-71: shutup |
| 23:26.52 | CT-71 | ... |
| 23:26.57 | slisk | PerfDave: i searched the debian package directory and found those packages. where do i get information on how to use them? |
| 23:27.09 | phogg | mwilson: Everything I mentioned (apart from rm) were ways to remove packages, which is what he wanted. |
| 23:27.12 | Supaplex | !comfort CT-71 |
| 23:27.13 | dpkg | There, there, CT-71. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:27.17 | deadcat | CT-71: you know i'm right... you are one of those people |
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| 23:27.28 | CT-71 | bitch |
| 23:27.31 | SpinX | its not enabled. |
| 23:27.32 | PerfDave | slisk: Oh, wait, you want to run ARM Debian inside x86 Debian? You'll need to use bochs, probably. |
| 23:27.57 | Supaplex | CT-71's days are numbered now. heh |
| 23:28.03 | slisk | PerfDave: no i want to just get all the files extract and in the proper directories then copy it to another system |
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| 23:28.11 | CT-71 | none of your business |
| 23:28.24 | deadcat | Supaplex: i am not trying to put him down. but somebody got to tell him. (= |
| 23:28.49 | PerfDave | slisk: Is that the standard ARM installation procedure? Have you tried reading the Debian ARM installation manual? |
| 23:28.53 | MattGideon | So, you don't want that ammo after all deadcat? |
| 23:29.05 | Supaplex | I've got better stuff to do anyway.. :) |
| 23:29.21 | deadcat | MattGideon: what are you talking about? |
| 23:29.22 | slisk | PerfDave: i'm want to transfer the installation root to another system that i can't install debian directory to |
| 23:29.51 | swim | anyone know if there are packages for mmpython available somewhere? |
| 23:29.51 | PerfDave | slisk: Well, I don't know whether you can use debootstrap with different arches, but it might be worth a go... |
| 23:30.00 | abrotman | what is mmpython ? |
| 23:30.03 | swim | trying to install mmpython and Im getting: error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory) |
| 23:30.08 | swim | abrotman, its for freevo |
| 23:30.12 | phogg | swim: no. Check apt-get.org and google |
| 23:30.18 | PerfDave | slisk: Try installing cdebootstrap and seeing what the documentation says? |
| 23:30.18 | swim | k |
| 23:30.28 | slisk | PerfDave: in order to use debootstrap, what do i need to install on the host comp? i'm not runnign debian on this comp |
| 23:30.29 | swim | well i have googled of course, but Ill try apt-get.org |
| 23:30.30 | deadcat | swim: dont freevo has a sources.list line? |
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| 23:30.44 | abrotman | !freevo |
| 23:30.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, freevo is software to turn a linux box + tv tuner into a TiVo. freevo.sourceforge.net, but mythtv is better |
| 23:30.46 | slisk | PerfDave: ok i'll just try extracting it and look it over |
| 23:30.48 | swim | deadcat, I havent seen one anywhere... theyre wiki is down |
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| 23:31.05 | PerfDave | slisk: You need to install debootstrap on the host, and that's it. |
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| 23:31.15 | PerfDave | slisk: How you do that on your non-Debian system is up to you :) |
| 23:31.15 | deadcat | swim: deb http://freevo.sourceforge.net/debian unstable main |
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| 23:31.29 | abrotman | deadcat: wshat about stable!? |
| 23:31.33 | swim | oh awesome thank you deadcat |
| 23:31.36 | PerfDave | slisk: It might be worth asking about your problem on the Debian ARM mailing list. |
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| 23:32.13 | abrotman | deadcat: try just the url part .. |
| 23:32.19 | abrotman | deadcat: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/debian/ |
| 23:32.20 | benwin | what is channel debian brasil? |
| 23:32.22 | swim | deadcat, btw where did you find that? |
| 23:32.25 | abrotman | !br |
| 23:32.25 | deadcat | abrotman: maybe s/unstable/stable/ |
| 23:32.25 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:32.31 | abrotman | deadcat: no .. check the image |
| 23:32.36 | deadcat | swim: their site. long time ago when woody was stable |
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| 23:32.46 | swim | oh oh k |
| 23:32.53 | abrotman | deadcat: nope .. no stable |
| 23:32.56 | abrotman | deadcat: but nice image |
| 23:33.09 | deadcat | abrotman: ah.. nice (= |
| 23:33.09 | dabaR | I am not able to get IP forwarding going at this time. It worked in the past. A Mac, running OS X, is trying to get a connection from this PC with Sarge. The Mac can, with the same cable get online using PPPoE instead of this computer( I have one IP from the ISP) so that is working. On the Sarge, I have dpkg-reconfigured ipmasq, and dnsmasq, and I have verified ip_forwarding is set to yes in /etc/network/options. Am I missing anything? |
| 23:33.11 | swim | hrmm broken |
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| 23:33.31 | swim | i may have to go with mythtv i guess... wasnt very fond of it though |
| 23:33.47 | deadcat | swim: the sql part right? |
| 23:34.03 | swim | deadcat, so far the python2.3-pygame part |
| 23:34.16 | deadcat | ah.. |
| 23:34.23 | Lanix | how can i chage language on system? |
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| 23:34.33 | deadcat | Lanix: locale |
| 23:34.40 | slisk | PerfDave: there's a cdebootstrap and a debootstrap, which do i use? |
| 23:34.44 | mwilson | dabaR: Have you actually verified that the PC running Linux has connectivity? |
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| 23:34.46 | Lanix | locale ? |
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| 23:34.58 | Lanix | dpkg reconfigure locale ? |
| 23:35.00 | deadcat | Lanix: its a package |
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| 23:35.05 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:35.08 | dabaR | mwilson: this one? it is online now... |
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| 23:35.20 | dabaR | mwilson: what I cant get, is an IP on the second comp... |
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| 23:35.31 | Timbo | is it just me, or is the latest kernel source in debian 2.6.11? |
| 23:35.47 | zeka | why can't i change fonts in gtk apps? |
| 23:35.53 | PerfDave | slisk: If you're installing from a non-Debian host, you want debootstrap |
| 23:35.56 | mwilson | dabaR: And are you providing some method whereby the Mac might actually be able to OBTAIN an IP? Running a DHCPd on the Linux box? |
| 23:35.59 | mwilson | zeka: You can. |
| 23:36.06 | zeka | i'm not using gnome, just some gtk apps |
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| 23:36.13 | mwilson | zeka: Again, you can. |
| 23:36.19 | zeka | how? |
| 23:36.23 | dabaR | mwilson: I will need to do something first now. Thank you for the help, I will come in a few. |
| 23:36.30 | zeka | i'm a newbie |
| 23:36.41 | mwilson | zeka: <shrug> That's what ~/.gtkrc is for. |
| 23:36.45 | abrotman | gtkfontsel ? |
| 23:36.49 | zeka | i tried that |
| 23:36.52 | abrotman | !gtk font |
| 23:36.56 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 23:36.57 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 23:36.58 | jf3 | zeka: what app? |
| 23:37.09 | zeka | i changed locales and it's all messed up |
| 23:37.14 | zeka | sylpheed |
| 23:37.30 | Lanix | en_US ISO-8859-1 <<< would this be the right one for english? |
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| 23:37.32 | zeka | theme-switch can't change fonts |
| 23:37.38 | Timbo | get sylpheed-gtk2? |
| 23:37.44 | CT-71 | i wonder if you can remove the entire games section? |
| 23:37.45 | ephes | hi all.i have an atx p3 but i cannot shutdown the machine when i "shutdown -h now" it halts but the machine is on.on the screen it is writing that "Power down" but the power is on |
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| 23:37.56 | mwilson | zeka: Changing locales has nothing to do with changing your fonts. If your font changed, it's because you changed it. |
| 23:38.22 | black13 | correct me if im wrong but the correct way to build a 2.6 kernel is make and them make modules_install ? |
| 23:38.24 | zeka | i changed the font code page to iso-something-2 |
| 23:38.33 | PerfDave | black13: No, the correct way is to use make-kpkg |
| 23:38.34 | zeka | to support some fonts i need |
| 23:38.36 | mwilson | "font code page"? |
| 23:38.49 | abrotman | !tell black13 about kp |
| 23:38.55 | zeka | i'm not english native |
| 23:39.02 | CT-71 | where are all these packages??? they are on the package manager but are not marked are they still taking up space?? |
| 23:39.03 | keyman | i have debian 3.1r0a and my xserver ovly gives me 800x600 and i know i can have 1024x768, how can i correct this? |
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| 23:39.28 | black13 | abrotman what if wish to patch the kernel sources (i need squashfs) |
| 23:39.34 | shingouz | !tell keyman about drxx |
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| 23:39.45 | PerfDave | ephes: That's standard behaviour when Linux doesn't know how to power down your system. Depends on your motherboard, but APM / ACPI *should* be able to do it by default. |
| 23:39.50 | swim | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directo |
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| 23:39.54 | swim | am I doing something wrong? |
| 23:39.58 | phogg | CT-71: apt-get autoclean |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | black13: you still use kernel-package .. it's just a package that will compile/package it for you .. no make;make modules;make install .. just make-kpkg binary and then install the debs |
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| 23:40.16 | CT-71 | k |
| 23:40.33 | abrotman | black13: you just patch your kernel tree before you make menuconfig etc |
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| 23:40.43 | CT-71 | phogg what did that do...it wasnt long |
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| 23:41.05 | black13 | abrotman that is what i figured |
| 23:41.09 | phogg | CT-71: deleted cached packages that you no longer need |
| 23:41.14 | CT-71 | ok |
| 23:41.24 | zeka | when i change the keyboard layout in kde, i can't type in sylpheed letters i need |
| 23:41.30 | CT-71 | will that work only once or can i do it regualarly |
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| 23:41.37 | colin__ | I'm trying to install kernel 2.6.12.5 and I get this error ">> You must install ncurses-devel in order to use 'make menuconfig'" Where can I get ncurses-devel? |
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| 23:41.49 | phogg | CT-71: man apt-get and decide yourself |
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| 23:41.54 | CT-71 | ok |
| 23:41.58 | boethius | apt-get install ncurses-devl |
| 23:41.58 | Rockret | hi everyone ! where I can find (url) hardware list for linux? |
| 23:42.16 | mwilson | d'Itri *gave up mutt*!? |
| 23:42.18 | colin__ | boethius: "E: Couldn't find package ncurses-devl" |
| 23:42.20 | Rockret | compatible with linux |
| 23:42.32 | abrotman | colin__: libncurses5-dev |
| 23:42.34 | ephes | PerfDave thank u i will check bios options again |
| 23:42.36 | swim | arrgh is marillat down or something? |
| 23:42.37 | boethius | colin: sorry try apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 23:42.37 | abrotman | boethius: wrong package |
| 23:42.37 | colin__ | thanks |
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| 23:42.49 | boethius | yup |
| 23:42.54 | mwilson | I must have missed that. |
| 23:43.20 | CT-71 | phogg that looks useful |
| 23:43.23 | CT-71 | full |
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| 23:43.40 | Snorks|Opera | I'm using Gentoo here, and I'm happy, but I have this feeling that things could be happier. I am about to build a server (and 100% going to use Debian on it) but I am thinking of getting Debian for my workstation. I am thinking a full 64 bit environment here (except for my windows install which will be win xp - enough about that) but I am unsure which .iso to get for a full 64 bit environment with a net install. Could someone help me? |
| 23:43.45 | phogg | CT-71: useful... it has only one L |
| 23:43.59 | CT-71 | yeah i said full |
| 23:44.01 | CT-71 | after |
| 23:44.03 | Snorks|Opera | Whoops, I have AMD64 cpu |
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| 23:44.10 | mwilson | Snorks|Opera: Is there some reason to replace your Gentoo install? |
| 23:44.18 | abrotman | !tell Snorks|Opera about amd64 |
| 23:44.20 | phogg | CT-71: You misunderstand me. Useful is correct, usefull is incorrect. |
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| 23:44.55 | PerfDave | Snorks|Opera: Bear in mind that some applications don't work properly with 64 bits, such as flashplayer and openoffice. |
| 23:44.57 | Snorks|Opera | mwilson: I've used Debian before, and I liked it but I wasn't so into linux then. Now I've gone back again and to Gentoo, but I think I would like to try something else |
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| 23:45.26 | napnapnap | hi nvidia one liner doesn't work for me. I have contrib and non-free repos in my sources list, but the thing says I should add them |
| 23:45.31 | themp | anyone know if quota is larger than 2 gigs in 2.4/2.6 ? in 2.2 its 2 gigs |
| 23:45.33 | BourneAgain | Shesssh - who :( |
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| 23:45.48 | napnapnap | I'm on AMD64 Sarge |
| 23:45.54 | Snorks|Opera | napnapnap: Are you happy? |
| 23:45.59 | abrotman | napnapnap: seems to have worn you out |
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| 23:46.35 | PerfDave | napnapnap: You probably want to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 23:46.47 | Snorks|Opera | PerfDave: is openoffice 64 bit issue, or debian 64 bit issue? I think there was some way to get it to work in gentooamd64... but most likely through 32 emulation. I do not remember |
| 23:47.07 | abrotman | Snorks|Opera: i think it's OO.o issue .. and you can run a 32bit chroot |
| 23:47.23 | PerfDave | Snorks|Opera: It's an OOo problem, not Debian-specific. You need to run it in a 32-bit chroot, this also works for binary plugins for Firefox |
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| 23:49.28 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:49.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 23:49.35 | CT-71 | the packages that are listed in the package manager but are not marked, are they still taking up space? they must be.... |
| 23:49.46 | dabaR | i ipmasq - securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling \ni dnsmasq - A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP server. |
| 23:49.49 | PerfDave | CT-71: Which package manager? |
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| 23:49.55 | dabaR | mwilson: ^ |
| 23:49.57 | CT-71 | synaptic |
| 23:49.59 | dabaR | !ip forwarding |
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| 23:50.04 | dpkg | [ip forwarding] enabled by "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward". Insert that line to the boot scripts so it's done every time the system is booted, or in debian, edit /etc/network/options and add (or change) ip_forward=yes, or dnsmaaq and ipmasq seem to have to be installed, try that if it dont just work. |
| 23:50.12 | SpinX | !ip aliasing |
| 23:50.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, ip aliasing is when you setup multiple network interfaces on the same network card, generally the aliases are eth0:0, eth0:1, etc. read Documentation/networking/alias.txt |
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| 23:50.18 | CT-71 | PerfDave, synaptic |
| 23:50.27 | abrotman | !cookie |
| 23:50.32 | Rockret | I think that #debian-br is not working like help channel |
| 23:50.42 | Coag | :/ i dont know what it is but my new debian install jsut seems so blah |
| 23:50.46 | Rockret | "#debian-br unable to join channel (address is banned)" |
| 23:50.57 | Coag | i did a netinstall yesterday |
| 23:50.58 | abrotman | Rockret: you're banned from the channel for some reason |
| 23:51.04 | Coag | everything seems so old |
| 23:51.09 | abrotman | Coag: what did you install ? |
| 23:51.16 | dabaR | mwilson: and this has worked in the past, I believe with the same exact setup. |
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| 23:51.27 | PerfDave | CT-71: They're not taking up any real space. Synaptic works on package *listings* which just contain the basic information about the packages, not the files for the packages themselves. |
| 23:51.33 | Rockret | because I said that apt-get is better than aptitude |
| 23:51.33 | Coag | abrotman, i dotn know the number version |
| 23:51.40 | abrotman | Coag: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:51.41 | Coag | i believe it was the newest i saw on the ftp site |
| 23:51.43 | mwilson | dabaR: If you say so. |
| 23:51.45 | Coag | ok |
| 23:51.51 | Rockret | this is ridiculus ... banned by fatalerror |
| 23:52.03 | dabaR | mwilson: I mean, it has worked for a fact. I think it was the same setup. |
| 23:52.03 | Coag | abrotman, says 3.1 |
| 23:52.13 | dabaR | mwilson: you think I should try a diff dhcop server? |
| 23:52.17 | CT-71 | PerfDave, they arent taking up space... but they are listed for install and uninstall |
| 23:52.19 | abrotman | Coag: that's sarge ... what's too old ? |
| 23:52.32 | abrotman | Coag: it was just released 2 months ago |
| 23:52.35 | CT-71 | so they must be like compressed or something |
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| 23:52.40 | Coag | abrotman, for instance i did apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 23:52.46 | Coag | and it looked like ie 3 |
| 23:52.49 | abrotman | Coag: and it's 1.0.4 right ? |
| 23:52.54 | PerfDave | CT-71: No, when you select them to install, Synaptic will download them off the Internet (or CDs or wherever) |
| 23:52.59 | Coag | yeah |
| 23:53.00 | dabaR | it had worked, rather. |
| 23:53.01 | CT-71 | OOO |
| 23:53.04 | Coag | it was 1.0.4 |
| 23:53.10 | Rockret | does anyone knows if exist one way to request access again .. operator (@) ? |
| 23:53.13 | abrotman | Coag: it looks like ie3? |
| 23:53.14 | CT-71 | its looking for packages that i am able to install... |
| 23:53.18 | mwilson | dabaR: Have you checked to see that the DHCPd is running? Have you configured it properly? Do you see requests for an IP coming in from the Mac? Does the second interface in the Linux box have an IP in the proper subnet? |
| 23:53.19 | CT-71 | or recommended ones |
| 23:53.20 | Coag | it jsut looked old |
| 23:53.24 | Coag | the interface |
| 23:53.32 | abrotman | Coag: what WM are you using ? |
| 23:53.32 | CT-71 | PerfDave, right? |
| 23:53.35 | SpinX | i still can't find out how to enable ip alias in deb |
| 23:53.39 | PerfDave | CT-71: Synaptic lists the packages that it knows how to install for you from your apt sources (basically the Internet) |
| 23:53.42 | dabaR | mwilson: I have no knowedge on teh operation of the DHCP server. |
| 23:53.45 | Coag | i was using KDE now im using gnome |
| 23:53.47 | Rockret | where I can find list hardware compatible with debian ? |
| 23:53.56 | mwilson | dabaR: Then perhaps you need to start by finding out. |
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| 23:54.00 | PerfDave | Gnome looks like Windows 3.1, this is true :) |
| 23:54.08 | CT-71 | ok good so they arent on my machine only the ones that are checked |
| 23:54.08 | dabaR | I will. |
| 23:54.09 | abrotman | Coag: what part of it looks like ie3? ... firefox is the same interface that's in FF1.0.6 out now |
| 23:54.19 | CT-71 | im gonna cut the fat off this baby |
| 23:54.27 | Coag | is 1.0.6 the newest? |
| 23:54.44 | PerfDave | Coag: 1.0.6 is a security update from 1.0.4, there's no actual difference |
| 23:54.49 | Coag | alright |
| 23:54.56 | Coag | well then i guess ill stop complaining |
| 23:54.58 | abrotman | !tell CT-71 about deborphan |
| 23:55.06 | abrotman | Coag: you can theme up gnome if you choose |
| 23:55.09 | SpinX | can anyone please help me with ip aliasing? |
| 23:55.10 | phogg | CT-71: why did you install all those packages to start with if you're just going to remove them now? |
| 23:55.13 | PerfDave | And if you're getting security updates from security.debian.org then you shouldn't have any security issues either. |
| 23:55.16 | Coag | abrotman, yeah |
| 23:55.24 | abrotman | Coag: or pick a different WM .. like metacity or sawfish or something else |
| 23:55.26 | Coag | abrotman, but nothing really help gnome look good |
| 23:55.39 | Coag | now what is metacity? |
| 23:55.39 | abrotman | Coag: you sohuld talk to PerfDave .. he likes to theme Gnome |
| 23:55.43 | abrotman | !metacity |
| 23:55.43 | dpkg | well, metacity is a lightweight, "crack free" windowmanager for gnome2 which nobody makes documentation on |
| 23:55.46 | stew | PerfDave: however no security patch to firefox has been released for sarge yet |
| 23:55.49 | mwilson | Coag: Could be worse... it could be KDE. |
| 23:55.52 | PerfDave | :trollsmite abrotman |
| 23:55.56 | PerfDave | stew: It hasn't? Oh well, my bad. |
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| 23:56.11 | Coag | mwilson, not a KDE fan? |
| 23:56.12 | phogg | Coag: Metacity is a window manager without features. It is therefore beloved of GNOME |
| 23:56.14 | abrotman | PerfDave: i'm not joking .. you've probably spent more time trying to make gnome look good than aynone else i know :) |
| 23:56.20 | finn | openbox |
| 23:56.21 | abrotman | but of course .. i think it looks fine |
| 23:56.25 | PerfDave | abrotman: I haven't spent any time trying to make Gnome look good. |
| 23:56.30 | abrotman | PerfDave: oh .. i thought you did |
| 23:56.38 | PerfDave | abrotman: No, I just use KDE :) |
| 23:56.47 | PerfDave | Or, if all else fails, the console ;) |
| 23:56.55 | abrotman | PerfDave: i realize that .. but i thought you had played with gnome theming for a while |
| 23:57.05 | Coag | personally i like the setup of the gnome panelse so i modified kicker to present like the gnomepanles |
| 23:57.05 | PerfDave | abrotman: Nope |
| 23:57.08 | dabaR | so... man dnsmasq, or online resource, or dpkg, mwilson, or something else? |
| 23:57.11 | abrotman | PerfDave: as a side note .. are there any other slimmer Qt based Window managers? |
| 23:57.12 | CT-71 | abrot man thx that will clean off all the "unneeded things" |
| 23:57.15 | Coag | but i havent found a really superb KDE theme to make me happy |
| 23:57.19 | Coag | and gnome is gul IMO |
| 23:57.27 | Coag | gul = ugly |
| 23:57.27 | CT-71 | just gotta make sure i got deborphan |
| 23:57.30 | mwilson | abrotman: I think you're remembering KDE, not Gnome. Gnome doesn't look bad by default, but KDE looks like ass. |
| 23:57.32 | abrotman | CT-71: use it correctly or it will destroy your system |
| 23:57.35 | PerfDave | abrotman: No idea, I'm perfectly happy with KDE. |
| 23:57.37 | CT-71 | >.> |
| 23:57.41 | CT-71 | great |
| 23:57.42 | mwilson | abrotman: You have to put effort into KDE. |
| 23:57.44 | CT-71 | :)\ |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | mwilson: i like the default look of gnome |
| 23:57.54 | phogg | mwilson: at least KDE lets you try and fix it |
| 23:58.00 | abrotman | mwilson: i don't like kde at all .. it reminds me of preschool :) |
| 23:58.06 | g00se | Minimum comfortable resources for KDE assuming light-mediumweight other apps running? |
| 23:58.17 | PerfDave | g00se: Pentium 200, 64Mb RAM |
| 23:58.17 | finn | openbox & pypanel... all you need |
| 23:58.21 | CT-71 | abrot man it does lol |
| 23:58.23 | abrotman | PerfDave: i thought there might be another |
| 23:58.30 | ephes | how can i load acpi module in debian? |
| 23:58.31 | abrotman | CT-71: ffs .. it's 'abrotman' |
| 23:58.31 | PerfDave | abrotman: If there is, I don't know of it |
| 23:58.35 | YaleR | g00se, get kdebase |
| 23:58.36 | phogg | g00se: 128M RAM, 500MHz CPU. |
| 23:58.47 | g00se | PerfDave: wow - that's little |
| 23:58.51 | CT-71 | Achilles is an artificial life and evoulution simulator, that is sweet |
| 23:58.57 | PerfDave | g00se: Yeah, that's my old desktop ;) |
| 23:58.59 | CT-71 | definatly getting that |
| 23:59.10 | PerfDave | g00se: I had to turn off alphablending, but that was it |
| 23:59.18 | deadcat | finn: have you tried fbpanel? |
| 23:59.23 | finn | yes |
| 23:59.24 | phogg | g00se: if you turn off all the flash you can get it in to much smaller, of course. But if you turn off all the flash then why use KDE? |
| 23:59.28 | abrotman | PerfDave: apt-cache search qt window manager yields nothing |
| 23:59.32 | jim | is there a general comparison between resources needed by gnome versus kde? memory footprint, disk space, dynamic disk usage and assuming a standard/default configuration of each |
| 23:59.42 | g00se | phogg sounds perhaps a little more realistic - but i've only 300Mhz :-( |
| 23:59.49 | PerfDave | jim: Not as far as I know :) |
| 23:59.59 | abrotman | jim: it's be easy to check i suppose |
